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          GOOD EVENING 
          [CALL TO ORDER]
ALL, AND WELCOME TO THE REGULAR MEETING ON THE PETALUMA CITY COUNCIL AND PETALUMA COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SUCCESSOR AGENCY FROM MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 11TH. 
          UH, IF YOU WISH TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT TONIGHT ON ANYTHING ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA OR IN GENERAL, PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD. 
          THEY'RE IN THE BACK OF THE CHAMBER, AND, UH, BRING IT TO THE CLERK. 
          AND, UH, I MIGHT NOTE, UM, STORY POLLS HAS BEEN ON A FEW OF THE CARDS I'VE SEEN AND IT'S GENERAL COMMENT. 
          IT'S NOT, UH, UH, LISTED AS AN AGENDA ITEM TONIGHT. 
          SO, UH, YOU I'LL BE READING THOSE DURING THE GENERAL COMMENT PERIOD. 
          AND, UH, NOW I'D LIKE TO INVITE MONICA RICCIO AND MARIA GALVEZ TO PROVIDE INFORMATION TO THOSE WHO WISH TO PARTICIPATE IN SPANISH. 
          THANK YOU AND GOOD EVENING. 
          UM, AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. 
          AND, UH, I'D LIKE TO ASK THE CLERK TO TAKE OUR ROLL CALL FOR THE EVENING COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          BARNACLE. 
          HERE. 
          CATER THOMPSON. 
          HERE. 
          KEELEY HERE. 
          NOW. 
          HERE. 
          OSA KAY. 
          HERE. 
          SRES. 
          HERE. 
          MAYOR MCDONALD. 
          HERE, LET'S STAND. 
          ALL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          LET'S STAND FOR A PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. 
          TRADITIONALLY, WE FOLLOWED THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE WITH A MOMENT OF SILENCE. 
          AND TONIGHT, UM, A SPECIAL ONE TODAY MARKS THE 22ND ANNIVERSARY, 22 YEARS SINCE SEPTEMBER 11TH, 2001, AND THE ATTACKS ON THE WORLD TRADE CENTER, THE PENTAGON, AND THE CRASH OF FLIGHT 93 INTO A FIELD NEAR SHANKSVILLE, PENNSYLVANIA. 
          THE ATTACKS CLAIMED THE LIVES OF NEARLY 3000 PEOPLE. 
          IT WAS BY FAR THE DEADLIEST INCIDENTS FOR FIREFIGHTERS AND LAW ENFORCEMENT. 
          WITH 343 FIREFIGHTERS AND 72 LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS KILLED IN THESE ATTACKS WHILE ATTEMPTING TO SAVE OTHERS, THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WERE INJURED OR LATER DEVELOPED ILLNESSES CONNECTED TO THE ATTACKS, INCLUDING FIREFIGHTERS WHO HAD WORKED IN TOXIC DEBRIS. 
          THIS MORNING, THE FIRE, PETALUMA FIRE DEPARTMENT HOSTED A FLAG CEREMONY IN HONOR OF THE LIVES LOST THAT DAY. 
          SEVERAL, UH, UH, POLICE OFFICERS, THE CITY MANAGER AND OTHER STAFF WERE IN ATTENDANCE. 
          I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE TO REMEMBER. 
          AND NOW, TONIGHT'S 
          [AGENDA CHANGES AND DELETIONS (TO CURRENT AGENDA ONLY)]
AGENDA AND ANY AGENDA CHANGES AND DELETIONS IS OUR NEXT ITEM. 
          AND I'D LIKE TO, UH, INVITE IN OUR CITY ATTORNEY TO DISCUSS ITEM 14 OF OUR CURRENT AGENDA. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          UM, TONIGHT THERE'S, THERE'S AN ITEM FOR CONSIDERATION BEFORE THE COUNCIL IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE COUNCIL'S MEETING RULES, UM, IN RESPONSE TO A MEMO SUBMITTED BY, BY COUNCIL MEMBERS HEALY, AND NOW, UM, ASKING THAT, THAT AN ITEM BE ADDED TO THE, TO A FUTURE CITY COUNCIL AGENDA REGARDING STORY POLLS, UH, RELATED TO THE APPALACHIAN HOTEL PROJECT FOR THE DOWNTOWN AND UN UNDER THE COUNCIL'S RULES. 
          UM, THAT, THAT THEY PROVIDE FOR A PROCESS FOR THE, THE, FOR THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER, UM, A MOTION TO BE MADE AND, AND FURTHER THERE TO BE CONSIDERATION AND A VOTE ON WHETHER 
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TO ADD THAT ITEM. 
          UM, AND THEN IF, THEN IF THE, THE, THE, UM, THE ADDITION IS APPROVED, THEN UM, THE ITEM CAN BE TAKEN UP, UM, AS, AS AN AGENDA ITEM IN THE FUTURE. 
          AND I SAY IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE, UM, ADDITIONAL PREPARATIONS WOULD HAVE TO BE MADE BY STAFF TO PREPARE THAT FOR COUNCIL CONSIDERATION. 
          UM, AND I WOULD NOTE THAT, UM, AS AS DISCUSSING IN THE MEMO SUBMITTED BY THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, UM, THE CITY HAS A, A POLICY OF, UH, THAT'S BEEN EXISTED FOR QUITE SOME TIME, UM, THAT PROVIDES, UH, REVIEWING BODIES INCLUDING THE COUNCIL, AND ALSO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AUTHORITY TO REQUIRE STORY POLLS TO BE INSTALLED WHEN CONSIDERING A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT. 
          UM, AND THE COUNCIL CERTAINLY HAS THAT ABILITY. 
          UM, UH, BUT WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS THAT, UM, THAT GIVEN THE SEQUENCE AND THE STATUS OF THAT PROJECT, UM, WHERE IT'S RECEIVED TWO STUDY SESSIONS, BUT NOT A FORMAL RECOMMENDATION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION YET, UM, AND NO HEARINGS SCHEDULED BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION YET BECAUSE ITS ENVIRONMENTAL ANALYSIS IS NOT DONE, AND THOSE DOCUMENTS HAVE NOT BEEN SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW YET. 
          UM, THAT IT'D BE, IT'LL BE MORE CONSISTENT WITH, WITH THE COUNCIL'S, UM, PROJECT APPROVAL PROCESS FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXERCISE THAT DISCRETION, TO REQUIRE STORY POLLS IN THE FIRST INSTANCE, AND THEN FOR THE COUNCIL, UM, TO DEFER THAT DECISION UNTIL, UNTIL THE PROJECT IS COMING BEFORE THE COUNCIL. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION. 
          BUT, UM, BUT THE COUNCIL'S DECISION ON THE PROPOSAL IS THE COUNCIL. 
          SO IF THEIR THERE'RE QUESTION FROM THE MEMBERS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS 'EM. 
          THANK YOU, AND THANK YOU FOR THAT INTRODUCTION TO THAT. 
          UM, I MENTIONED ITEM 14, I APOLOGIZE, WE'RE, UH, TAKING THIS COUNCIL REQUEST FIRST AND THEN ITEM 14, UM, POSSIBLE AGENDA CHANGE SECOND, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER HEAL NOW HAVE, UM, INTRODUCED THIS TOPIC TONIGHT. 
          I'D LIKE TO DEFER TO, UH, OFFER, OFFER COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY A CHANCE TO SPEAK ON, UH, HIS PROPOSAL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO, UM, FIRST OF ALL, I, I THINK IT WOULD'VE BEEN MORE APPROPRIATE IF, IF MOST, IF MOST PARTS OF YOUR MEMO TODAY DIDN'T REALLY INCLUDE ATTORNEY-CLIENT CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION. 
          AND I THINK FOR PURPOSES OF TRANSPARENT TRANSPARENCY, IT'D BE MORE APPROPRIATE IF THAT INFORMATION WAS AVAILABLE, AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE AS WELL, NOT JUST FOR THE COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          SO, UM, IN THE FUTURE, I WOULD MAKE THAT REQUEST. 
          UM, BUT I, I WANTED TO FOLLOW UP WITH A COUPLE QUESTIONS. 
          MR. DANLEY. 
          UM, I WANNA UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS BECAUSE YOU HAVE, WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT RELATED APPLICATIONS. 
          WE HAVE AN APPLICATION FOR A HOTEL, AND THEN WE HAVE AN APPLICATION FOR AN OVERLAY ZONING. 
          UM, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE RELATED, BUT THEY'RE NOT THE SAME THING. 
          AND I BELIEVE, BUT YOU CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT THE OVERLAY ZONING IS LIKELY TO PROCEED BEFORE THE HOTEL. 
          UM, AND DO WE HAVE A TIMEFRAME FOR WHEN THAT OVERLAY ZONING MAY GET TO COUNCIL AT THIS POINT? UM, I, I'D BE HAPPY TO. 
          MAYBE BRIAN CAN ADDRESS THAT BETTER. 
          I DON'T THINK WE HAVE, UH, UM, WE KNOW WHEN THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. 
          THANKS, BRIAN. 
          UH, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. 
          BRIAN O UH, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. 
          UH, WE, NEXT ON THE DOCKET IS A STUDY SESSION WITH THE H C P C. 
          AND SO AT THIS POINT, WE DON'T HAVE A DATE, UM, THAT SCHEDULED FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS, BUT THE INTENT, THE INTENT WOULD BE COMPLETE THE STUDY SESSION COMPLETE THE ENVIRONMENTAL DOCUMENT, UH, WHICH WILL TAKE US, UH, THROUGH OCTOBER. 
          AND SO, UM, WE WOULD NOT HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, UM, ANY SOONER THAN NOVEMBER. 
          AND, AND AT THIS POINT, DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL DOCUMENT WILL BE, UM, AN E I R OR A MITIGATED NEGATIVE DECLARATION? WE HAVEN'T MADE THAT DETERMINATION YET. 
          OKAY. 
          LET'S ASSUME IT'D BE A MITIGATED NECK DECK, AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, WHEN DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT MIGHT COME BACK TO COUNSEL? UH, SO THAT NO SOONER THAN NOVEMBER, SO THAT'S OKAY. 
          UM, AND THEN AS I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS, SO WE'LL GET THE, THE OVERLAY ZONING ORDINANCE AT SOME POINT, UM, AND THEN WE WILL THE, THEN THE HOTEL WILL FOLLOW AFTER THAT, AND THAT WILL BE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, ASSUMING THE OVERLAY ZONING IS ADOPTED. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? I, THAT'S OUR, THAT'S OUR BEST THOUGHT COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          UM, I MEAN, CLEAR IN TERMS OF THE PROJECTS, YOU'RE, YOU, YOU OR THE P THE ELEMENTS OF THE APPLICATION, YOU'RE CERTAINLY RIGHT THAT, UM, THERE'S 
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A, YOU KNOW, A SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW. 
          IF, IF THE PROPOSED OVERLAY IS STRUCTURED AS, AS STAFF ARE NOW THINKING IT WOULD BE, UM, THAT WOULD, UM, REQUIRE, UM, A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. 
          UM, BUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN APPROVE THAT. 
          UM, SO, SO WHAT I WOULD ANTICIPATE IS AFTER IT NEXT COMES FOR HEARING, BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, WHICH IS NOT SCHEDULED YET, UM, WITH THE QUE INFORMATION, UM, THE CONSIDERATION WILL BE FIRST ON THE OVERLAY FOR A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL, AND THAT WILL COME TO COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION AND ACTION ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL DOCUMENT AND THE OVERLAY. 
          UM, THE THING IS, WE, WHILE SUCH A LAND USE ACTION COULD BE CONSIDERED SEPARATE FROM A PROJECT, THIS ONE IS CLEARLY OCCASIONED BY THE PROJECT. 
          UM, AND IT'S MY VIEW THAT FOR THE COUNCIL TO BE ABLE TO EXERCISE ITS DISCRETION REGARDING STORY POLLS, IF IT WISHES IN SEQUENCE, IT WOULD NEED TO DO IT UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES IN REGARD TO THE OVERLAY, BECAUSE THE, UM, SPAR, UM, N C U P MIGHT NOT COME BEFORE THE COUNCIL EXCEPT ON APPEAL, AND IT WOULDN'T BE ACCEPTABLE TO BYPASS THE COUNCIL. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, THAT KIND OF ANSWERED MY NEXT QUESTION WAS IF, IF THE, IF THE OVERLAY ORDINANCE IS ADOPTED AND THEN THE, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, GRANTS A C U P FOR THE HOTEL, THEN THAT WOULDN'T EVEN COME TO US UNLESS THERE WAS AN APPEAL. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD BE WITHIN ITS RIGHTS, UNDER THE MOST CONSERVATIVE LEGAL FORMULATION HERE, UM, TO REQUIRE STORY POLLS WHEN THE OVERLAY ZONING ORDINANCE IS BEFORE US? UH, I THINK SO. 
          OTHERWISE, YOU'D MISS YOUR CHANCE. 
          AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS A REVIEWING BODY WOULD HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO, WHEN IT COMES, BEFORE IT, WITH BOTH RESPECT TO THE OVERLAY ORDINANCE AND, AND THE HOTEL APP C U P APPLICATION ITSELF. 
          IS THAT RIGHT? YES. 
          UM, BUT THE COUNCIL'S ONLY O ONLY SHOT AT THAT WOULD BE WITH THE OVERLAY ORDINANCE. 
          I'M SORRY? THE, THE COUNCIL'S ONLY OPPORTUNITY WOULD BE IN CONNECTION WITH THE OVERLAY ORDINANCE IF, IF, IF THE, UM, CONSIDERATIONS PROCEED AS WE'RE THINKING THEY WOULD, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I GUESS, OKAY. 
          SO THE INFORMATION ABOUT NOVEMBER BEING THE EARLIEST POSSIBLE DATE IS NEW TO ME. 
          UM, WE DON'T, WE NO LONGER GET OR HAVEN'T GOTTEN FOR SEVERAL MONTHS, UH, TENTATIVE AGENDAS GOING OUT IN THE FUTURE. 
          AND THAT MAY BE SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE BEING IN TRANSITION. 
          UM, BUT, UM, I, I HOPE WE CAN START SEEING THOSE FUTURE AGENDAS AGAIN IN THE NEAR FUTURE. 
          UM, AND, AND THAT WOULD GIVE ME MORE OF A COMFORT LEVEL. 
          SO IF, IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO DEFER THIS CONVERSATION UNTIL WE'RE, YOU KNOW, 60 DAYS OUT FROM WHEN AN OVERLAY ORDINANCE MIGHT COME TO US, I'M, I'M, I'M FINE WITH THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I THINK, UM, I I, I HAVE TO ASK YOU TO HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, 60 DAYS OUT FROM TODAY, UH, WOULD BE THE EARLIEST WE'D SEE THINGS AND, AND FRANKLY, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE OPTIMISTIC IF WE'RE SCHEDULING A HISTORIC, UH, PRESERVATION COMMISSION MEETING, COMMITTEE MEETING, AND THEN WE'RE SCHEDULING A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, HEARING, AND THEN, UM, ARE WE NOT DOING C A AT THAT POINT? WE'RE WAITING, WE'RE INCORPORATING A PROJECT OR C A IS PART OF THE, WHAT? THE, THE, THE, THE, UM, THE PACKAGE FOR THE RECOMMENDATION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD NEED TO INCLUDE C Q A REVIEW. 
          WOULD THERE BE A PUBLIC TIMELINE, PUBLIC INPUT TIMELINE? MM-HMM. 
           ANOTHER ANOTHER 30 DAYS. 
          30 DAYS. 
          AND SO I'M THINKING 30, 30, 30. 
          AND THEN I'M, BEFORE IT GETS TO COUNCIL 30, IT'S PROBABLY MORE LIKE IN THE NEW YEAR, FRANK. 
          YEAH. 
          MR. OTIS SAID NOVEMBER AND HE SAID AT THE EARLIEST, I BELIEVE, SO, YOU KNOW, 60 BACK FROM NOVEMBER IS NOT TOO LONG FROM NOW, BUT THAT, THAT, THAT'S A MOVING TARGET. 
          I GET IT. 
          AND, AND YOU'RE COMFORTABLE HAVING THE STORY POLE CONVERSATION DURING THE CONVERSATION OF, UM, AND THE, THE, UM, UH, OVERLAY PROCEEDING OR, WELL, WELL, IN THE RUN UP TO IT. 
          'CAUSE I, I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE MORE WAY TO GET PUBLIC OPINION, UH, PUBLIC, UH, ARE YOU SEC SUGGESTING SEPARATE FROM THE PROCESS OF THE OVERLAY OR PART OF PART OF THE PROCESS? NO, I THINK WHEN WE KNOW WHEN THE OVERLAY ZONING IS GONNA COME BEFORE US, THEN WE CAN, CAN IZE THIS ISSUE AND HAVE THAT CONVERSATION IN ADVANCE SO THAT THE COUNCIL CAN DECIDE IF STORY POLLS ARE, ARE APPROPRIATE TO GET PUBLIC INPUT. 
          AND I WANNA SAY, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M, I HAVEN'T, I'M TRYING TO KEEP AN OPEN MIND ON THIS PROJECT. 
          UM, I'M NOT PRO HOTEL, I'M NOT ANTI HOTEL AT THIS POINT. 
          I'M NOT PRO OVERLAY ZONING. 
          I'M NOT ANTI OVERLAY ZONING. 
          UM, SO I'M, I'M NOT BIASED AND I DON'T THINK ASKING FOR STORY POLLS IS AN INDICATOR OF BIAS. 
          IT'S JUST, UM, MORE, UH, AN INDICATOR OF WANTING TO HAVE GOOD PUBLIC INPUT ON, ON ANY, ON THE ISSUE. 
          SO, UM, ONCE WE HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF ONCE WE START GETTING, AGAIN, THESE, THESE ADVANCED AGENDAS, THEN WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHEN IT'S APPROPRIATE TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION. 
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AND I'M, I'M FINE WITH THAT. 
          IF, UH, IF THE CITY ATTORNEY IS IN AGREEMENT, WHICH I BELIEVE HE IS, THAT STORY POLLS MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE UNDER OUR EXISTING POLICIES FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF THE, UM, THE OVERLAY ZONING ORDINANCE, NOT, NOT JUST THE, UM, THE HOTEL C U P, WHICH MAY NEVER GET TO US, I SURE, I MEAN THE, THE COUNCIL HAS THE DISCRETIONARY RIGHT TO REQUEST THAT THE OTHER REVIEWING BODIES TOO, LIKE, LIKE THE PLANNING COMMISSION ALSO DO, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S ACCEPTABLE FOR THE COUNCIL TO NOT BE ABLE TO EXERCISE THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I, AND I THINK THAT THE, UM, I APPRECIATE COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY'S, UM, WILLINGNESS FOR SOME TIME TO UNFOLD TO ALLOW STAFF TO ORCHESTRATE THAT, BECAUSE WE JUST POSTED ON THE, ON THE PROJECT SITE TODAY, SOME ADDITIONAL VISUAL INFORMATION, UM, UM, OF THE PROJECT STAFF ARE ALREADY PROVIDING FEEDBACK TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT MORE DETAILS THAT'S NEEDED FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO FULLY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT. 
          SO I THINK MORE OF THAT WILL DEVELOP, AND THAT WILL HELP, AND I THINK IN THE PLANNING COMMISSIONS, UM, UM, CONSIDERATIONS IN THE COUNCILS ABOUT, ABOUT WHETHER STORY POLLS ARE NEEDED TO, TO FULLY ASSESS POTENTIAL IMPACTS OF THE PROPOSAL. 
          AND IF THEY ARE, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, THAT'S THE REVIEWING BODY'S DISCRETION AND IT'S, AND IT'S OUR JOB TO PRESERVE THAT, AND WE'RE HAP HAPPY TO COMMITTED TO DO THAT. 
          SO IN TERMS OF, UM, ACTIONS TONIGHT, ARE WE ABLE TO, UM, POST, POST THIS AND REINTRODUCE THIS AT A TIME AFTER PLANNING HAS TAKEN A LOOK AT THE OVERLAY TOPIC? UM, WELL, I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE ONCE IT GETS TO PLANNING, IT MAY GET TO US PRETTY QUICKLY, SO, BUT I, I WANNA, I, I'M WILLING TO CONTINUE IT TONIGHT. 
          UM, AND WHEN WE FINALLY, WHEN WE GET AN INDICATION OF WHEN IT'S GONNA BE COMING TO US, WE CAN IZE IT FOR DISCUSSION HERE, NOT NECESSARILY AFTER THE PLANNING COMMISSION DEALS WITH IT, BECAUSE THAT MAY BE TOO LATE. 
          IS THAT ACCEPTABLE TO THE COUNCIL? AND DOES ANYONE HAVE A COMMENT FROM COUNCIL THEN? UM, I SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE RETHINKING AND PROCESSING WHAT WE'VE JUST TALKED ABOUT. 
          IT'S A BIT TO TALK ABOUT. 
          AND, UH, MR. MAYOR, IF I MAY JUST, YES. 
          UM, COUNCILMAN HEALY, UH, YOU'RE MENTIONING A 60 DAY OUTLOOK, UM, AND JUST POINTING OUT WHAT, UM, OUR MAYOR, UH, IDENTIFIED, UH, NOVEMBER ESSENTIALLY PUTS US PRETTY CLOSE. 
          SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE ARE CONTINUING THIS CONVERSATION TO ANOTHER DAY, UM, IT IS CORRECT, NOVEMBER WOULD BE THE SOONEST TIME WE'D GET TO A PUBLIC HEARING WITH PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE OVERLAY, BUT SHORTLY THEREAFTER, UM, IT COULD COME BEFORE COUNCIL. 
          AND SO JUST, JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT AWARENESS. 
          NO, NO, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, WHICH IS, IS WHY I WANNA BE FLEXIBLE AT THIS POINT. 
          AND SO WHEN WE FINALLY HAVE A TENTATIVE DATE FOR IT COMING TO US, THEN WE CAN REVISIT THIS CONVERSATION. 
          SO, UM, I THINK WE'VE HAD A CONVERSATION, BUT THERE'S NO ACTUAL MOTION TO PUT IT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. 
          AND SO THE ITEM IS, UM, CONTINUED OFF TONIGHT'S AGENDA AND, UH, GOOD DISCUSSION, EVERYBODY. 
          LET'S TALK ABOUT, UH, ITEM 14 AND PG E. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          SO, UM, UH, WE'VE BEEN, UH, PUBLIC WORKS HAS BEEN DOING MOST OF THE HEAVY LIFTING, UM, WITH ASSISTANCE FROM OUR OFFICE TO GET THIS ITEM READY, UH, FOR CONSIDERATION OF THE PROPOSED GRANTING OF TEMPORARY AND PERMANENT CONSTRUCTION EASEMENTS FOR PG E FOR, UM, REPLACEMENT OF A A, A GAS MAIN, UM, UM, THAT GOES THROUGH SCHOENBERGER PARK, UM, AND THE, AND, AND ALSO, UM, FOR APPROVAL OF A SITE LICENSE, WHICH WOULD TAKE IMMEDIATE EFFECT, UNLIKE THE ORDINANCE, UM, THAT'S NECESSARY FOR THE EASEMENTS TO BE GRANTED UNDER OUR CHARTER TO PERMIT, PERMIT THE PROJECT TO PROCEED IN, IN KEEPING WITH PG E'S, UM, CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE, WHICH CALLS FOR, UM, THE COMMENCEMENT OF CONSTRUCTION IN THE, IN THE MIDDLE OF OCTOBER. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, UM, I FAILED TO INCLUDE THE DETAILS OF THE C A FINDINGS, UM, THAT NEED TO BE MADE BY THE CITY AS A RESPONSIBLE AGENCY, BUT NOT THE LEAD AGENCY CONCERNING THAT PROJECT. 
          THE LEAD AGENCY IS THE STATE LANDS COMMISSION, UM, AND IN THE SCRAMBLE TO GET THAT READY FOR THE PACKET. 
          SO, UM, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THAT BE CONTINUED UNTIL THE, THEN IMMEDIATELY FOLLOW ME FOLLOWING, UH, COUNCIL MEETING ON THE 18TH SO THAT WE CAN, UM, WE'VE ALREADY PREPARED THE CORRECTION TO GET THAT IN THE AGENDA DESCRIPTION. 
          UM, AND, AND, UM, THAT WAY THERE'S, THERE'LL BE NO, UH, QUESTION UNDER THE BROWN ACT OR ANYTHING ELSE AS THE ADEQUACY OF THE ACTION. 
          UM, PG E HAS CONFIRMED THAT THAT'S STILL IN KEEPING WITH THEIR SCHEDULE. 
          UM, AND THIS, THIS APPROACH WE'VE BEEN DEVELOPING IN CONJUNCTION WITH THEM, SO TO, SO THEY DON'T NEED TO BRING CONDEMNATION PROCEEDINGS, GET ACCESS TO THE SITE 
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WHEN THEY NEED, UM, AND IT AVOIDS A LOT OF, UH, LITIGATION EXPENSE AND OTHER DELAY IN TERMS OF THE SAFETY BENEFITS OF THE PROJECT FOR THE CITY. 
          UM, AND PG E THEY'VE ALSO BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE TO THE COMMENTS THAT STAFF PUT IN THE RECORD, UM, REGARDING THE MITIGATED NEGATIVE DECLARATION FOR THE PROJECT. 
          UM, WE DID GET A CONCERN REGARDING THE RECORD FOR THIS, UM, THAT, THAT OUR MATERIALS DO INCORPORATE THE FULL, UM, SE DOCUMENTS, UM, THAT THAT STATE LANDS PREPARED. 
          UM, BUT WE WILL ADD SOME ADDITIONAL LINKS TO MAKE THEM EVEN MORE ACCESSIBLE WHEN WE BRING THIS BACK, IF, IF THE COUNCIL, UM, IS WILLING TO, TO CONTINUE THIS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THIS RECOMMENDATION. 
          AND THAT CONCLUDES MY COMMENTS ON THAT, BUT HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY COUNCIL QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO WE'RE TABLING, UH, THIS ITEM TO ANOTHER, UH, MEETING NEXT, NEXT WEEK, IN FACT. 
          AND, UH, PARDON ME, DO YOU NEED A MOTION? I DO NEED A MOTION, UH, FOR, I, I, THE ONE QUESTION FROM MARI DANLEY, UM, ON THIS IS, UH, THE ONE WEEK DELAY DOESN'T IMPACT THEIR ABILITY TO HIT THIS YEAR'S CONSTRUCTION WINDOW, IS THAT CORRECT? IT DOES NOT, BECAUSE WE'RE STILL GONNA BE, UM, THE RESOLUTION, UM, IF THE COUNCIL, ASSUMING THE COUNCIL APPROVES THAT GRANTING A SITE LICENSE TAKES IMMEDIATE EFFECT, AND THAT'LL STILL BE ALMOST A MONTH BEFORE THE CONSTRUCTION START DATE. 
          OKAY. 
          I WOULD MOVE, THANK YOU. 
          TO CONTINUE ITEM 14 TO THE MEETING OF, UM, THE, UH, 18TH, UM, AND, AND TO, UM, FRIENDLY, FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. 
          I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ITEM 15, NOT 14. 
          OH, I'M SORRY. 
          EXACTLY. 
          YEAH, NO, I, IT WASN'T YOU. 
          I THINK THAT ORIGINALLY IT WAS INTRODUCED AS 14, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT 15. 
          OH, IS IT NOW FOUR? IS IT 15 NOW? YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          OH, I DIDN'T CATCH THAT. 
          SO YEAH, IT'S THE, UH, PG E EASEMENT ISSUE THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. 
          SECOND, THAT IS 14. 
          MY AGENDA SAYS IT'S 14, AND ACCORDING TO MY AGENDA, IT'S ITEM 14 WITH THE, UM, MINE IS THE ONE ON ONLINE SAYS 15. 
          THAT'S WHAT PATRICK, WE WERE OFF. 
          IT'S ONLINE. 
          YOUR AGENDA AT MY AGENDA. 
          DON'T SEE IT ONLINE. 
          OKAY. 
          I SPECIFIED THE PG AND E EASEMENT ISSUE, SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO CARE ABOUT THAT. 
          YES, THE TITLE MAKES IT CLEAR, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S A MOTION TO APPROVE TONIGHT'S AGENDA, AND I NEED A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND BY SHRIVES. 
          AND, UH, A ROLL CALL VOTE FROM THE CITY CLERK COUNCIL MEMBERS, BARNACLE AYE. 
          CATER THOMPSON. 
          YES. 
          HAYLEY? YES. 
          NOW? YES. 
          OSA K? YES. 
          RES YES. 
          MAYOR MCDONALD. 
          YES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          UNANIMOUS UNANIMOUSLY. 
          THANK YOU, COUNSEL. 
          AND SORRY FOR THE HICCUP. 
          . 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, BRIAN O UM, LET, LET'S SEE. 
          OUR NEXT ITEM 
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IS A PRESENTATION AND, UM, IT'S TONIGHT, IT'S ABOUT THE REUSABLE CUP PILOT PROGRAM AND, AND IT'S ANNOUNCEMENT OF, UH, THE CLOSED LOOP PARTNERS. 
          AND DO WE HAVE OUR STAFF MEMBER HERE? YES, MAYOR, RIGHT HERE. 
          THERE YOU ARE. 
           IN A TOO MANY COMPUTER MONITORS HERE. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO IT'S MY, UH, PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE CAROL G GRIG FROM CLOSED LOOP PARTNERS TO TALK ABOUT THIS EXCITING NEW PROGRAM, UM, THAT, UH, HAS NO COST TO THE CITY, OR NO COST TO PARTICIPANTS IN THE PROGRAMS, UM, BUT IS VERY MUCH IN LINE WITH COUNCIL GOALS OF ZERO WASTE, UM, AND PART OF A ONGOING CONVERSATION THAT WE, THAT STAFF PLANS TO, UH, PICK UP IN THE COMING YEAR ABOUT OTHER WAYS THAT WE CAN REDUCE WASTE. 
          SO WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO CAROL. 
          THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. 
          AMAZING. 
          I'LL ACTUALLY, I, THE OTHER CAROL, I'LL KICK US OFF AND THEN HAND IT OVER TO CAROL RICH. 
          SO, UH, YOU CAN MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          WE ARE FROM CLOSED LOOP PARTNERS. 
          WE'RE A NEW YORK CITY BASED, UM, WE'RE A NEW INVESTMENT FIRM, A RECYCLING OPERATOR, AND AN INNOVATION CENTER. 
          WE LEAD, UH, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          WE LEAD CROSSBRED CONSORTIUM TO SOLVE COMPLEX MATERIAL CHALLENGES, AND TONIGHT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE NEXT GEN CONSORTIUM, FOUNDED BY STARBUCKS AND MCDONALD'S. 
          AND THIS CONSORTIUM, IT'S PLANNING TO PILOT REUSE IN PETALUMA. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          NEXTGEN WORKS ON RECYCLING COMPOSTABLES AND REUSE. 
          THE FOCUS OF TODAY IS ON REUSE, BUT THERE'S MUCH MORE GOING ON BEHIND THE SCENES AND THROUGHOUT THE US. 
          THEN THE NEXT SLIDE, BEFORE WE JUMP IN, YOU MUST BE ASKING YOURSELF, SO WHILE OUR WHY ARE OUR BRANDS FOCUSING ON REUSE? THREE KEY REASONS. 
          FIRST ONE, THEY HAVE BIG SUSTAINABILITY COMMITMENTS TO MEET. 
          UM, THEY'RE KEEPING UP WITH REGULATORY CHALLENGES AND UPDATES. 
          AND, UH, WITH THE GROWING CONSUMER 
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DEMAND THAT THAT'S COMING THEIR WAY, UH, AND TO WORK ON REUSE, IT'S VERY HARD FOR THE BRANDS TO DO IT ALONE. 
          SO, UM, THEY'RE LOOKING TO GO TO MARKETS TOGETHER. 
          UM, FIRST REASON, LIKE 80% OF THEIR VOLUMES LEAVES THEIR STORE. 
          SO THEY NEED TO BUILD A FULL ECOSYSTEM FOR REUSE. 
          PILOTING A LOAN CAN BE RISKY FOR THEIR BUSINESS AND THEIR REPUTATION. 
          UH, AND THEN THE MULTI-BRAND TESTING REDUCE COSTS AND EFFORTS FOR, FOR EACH BRAND. 
          THIS IS A BIT OF BACKGROUND AND WHY THEY'RE DOING IT, BUT JUMPING INTO HOW IT'S GONNA COME TO LIFE AND WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE IN PETALUMA, WHEN THE PILOT IS IN MARKET, UM, EVERY, UH, SINGLE USE CUP FROM COFFEE SHOPS TO, UH, QUICK SERVICE RESTAURANTS TO FOOD TRUCKS WILL BE REPLACED BY REUSABLE CUPS IN THE MARKET. 
          UH, CUSTOMERS IN THE PILOT REGION WILL RECEIVE THEIR COFFEE OR FOUNTAIN DRINKS IN REUSABLE CUPS. 
          THEN WE EXPECT EACH CUSTOMER OF THESE RESTAURANTS TO RETURN THEIR CUPS ANYWHERE. 
          WE ARE VERY AWARE THAT USUALLY THESE CUPS DON'T STAY IN THE STORES WHERE THEY'RE PURCHASED. 
          SO THERE'LL BE BINS PLACED ALL OVER TOWN IN PUBLIC LOCATIONS, IN MALLS, IN RESTAURANTS, AND WE'LL ASK CUSTOMERS, UM, TO RETURN THE CUPS THERE. 
          TO DO THAT. 
          THERE'LL BE, UH, MARKETING CAMPAIGNS AND COMMUNICATIONS SUPPORTING THEM AS THEY LEARN THIS NEW, THIS NEW BEHAVIOR AND NEW WAY OF DISPOSING THEIR CUPS. 
          THESE, UH, BINS WILL BE COLLECTED BY A SHARED REVERSE LOGISTICS OPERATORS THAT, THAT WILL EMPTY THE BINS, WASH ALL THE CUPS AND REDISTRIBUTE TO THE CUPS, TO THE PARTICIPATING RESTAURANTS. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          FROM THIS TEST, WE HOPE TO GET A FIRST TIME EVER BASELINE OF RETURN RATES, UH, UNDERSTAND HOW OFTEN, UH, CUSTOMERS RETURN THE CUPS AND UNDERSTAND THE KEY DRIVERS THAT ARE SUPPORTING OR NOT SUPPORTING CUSTOMERS TO RETURN THEIR CUPS SO WE CAN MEASURE THE ACTUAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF THE SYSTEM AND HOPEFULLY REPLICATE IT ACROSS CALIFORNIA AND THE US. 
          UM, HOW, WHY MORE BACKGROUND ON WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR US. 
          UM, IT, IT'S AN UNPRECEDENTED COLLABORATION. 
          IT WILL HELP US DESIGN THE REUSE SYSTEMS OF THE FUTURE. 
          IT'LL HELP US CREATE DATA TO BRING IT TO REGULATORS ACROSS THE US AND INFORM FUTURE POLICY FOR REUSE. 
          AND IT'LL HELP OUR BRANDS BUILD A PATHWAY TO SCALE REUSABLE SYSTEMS THAT ARE RESPONSIBLE AND BETTER FOR THE ENVIRONMENT. 
          AND WITH THAT, I'LL HAND OVER TO CAROL FOR THE DETAILS ON WHY PETALUMA AND WHAT, WHAT WE ARE PLANNING TO DO THERE. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO WE WERE BROUGHT, OR WE CAME TO, UH, THE CONCLUSION TO SELECT PETALUMA AS OUR REUSE COMMUNITY, AS WE FIND THAT IT WOULD ALLOW FOR SATURATION, UH, WITHIN A KIND OF A ONE TO THREE MILE RADIUS. 
          AND WE WERE ALSO EXCITED TO LEARN A LOT ABOUT HOW, UM, PETALUMA AND SONOMA COUNTY IS REALLY PRIMED FOR REUSABLES THROUGH FAVORABLE POLICY KIND OF INTERVENTIONS AND, UM, AND, UH, ACTIONS. 
          WE ALSO FIND IT TO BE KIND OF AN IDEAL SMALL, DENSE AND INTEROPERABLE COMMUNITY THAT WOULD, UH, HAVE ABOUT 20 TO 40 LOCATIONS THAT COULD PILOT WITH US. 
          UM, THESE LOCATIONS WOULD BE A MIX OF SMALL AND LARGE RESTAURANTS OR CAFES THAT SELL TO GO DRINKS. 
          AND, UH, WE ALSO WERE, UH, VERY KIND OF, UM, INTERESTED IN HAVING A VARIETY OF MEANS OF TRANSPORTATION AND KIND OF DIFFERENT CITY CENTERS THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR, UH, DIFFERENT CHANNELS AND CUSTOMER GROUPS TO ENGAGE WITH OUR PILOTS. 
          LOOKING A LITTLE BIT DEEPER AT KIND OF THE TESTING ZONES THAT WE ENVISION, WE HAVE THREE TESTING ZONES IDENTIFIED HERE. 
          UM, THE FIRST IS KIND OF IN THE HEART OF, UH, THE KIND OF DOWNTOWN AREA, WHICH WE CALL WALK AND MINGLE. 
          AND WE, UH, ENVISION THIS TO BE KIND OF AN AREA WHERE PEOPLE ARE, UM, USING THEIR CUPS AND, AND POTENTIALLY RETURNING THEM KIND OF IN THE SAME ECOSYSTEM. 
          UM, DOWNTOWN SECOND WE SAW THE KIND OF ON THE GO, UM, BUT MORE, UM, RETAILER AND KIND OF LARGER, UH, OUTLETS, UM, TYPE OF LOCATIONS IN WHICH WE COULD ALSO LOOK AT DIFFERENT CHANNELS SUCH AS DRIVE-THROUGH. 
          AND THEN THIRDLY, WE HAVE SATELLITE RETURNS AND HOME COLLECTION THAT WE WOULD LOOK TO, UM, PLACE INTO KIND OF THE ZONES NORTH OF THE CITY AND SOUTH OF THE CITY. 
          UM, AS WE SEE THAT POTENTIALLY SOME OF THOSE RESIDENTIAL AREAS OR KIND OF THE 
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EXITS AND ENTRY POINTS TO THE CITY COULD ALSO CATCH THE CUPS. 
          UM, COMING THROUGH, UH, ACROSS THESE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, WE'VE IDENTIFIED ABOUT 17 PARTNER LOCATIONS FROM OUR NEXT GEN CONSORTIUM AND LOTS OF INDEPENDENT, UH, LOCATIONS THAT WE WOULD ALSO LOVE TO INCLUDE. 
          WE'LL BE TESTING IN MARKET FOR THREE MONTHS AND NEXT SUMMER. 
          AND SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN THIS KIND OF DESIGN STRATEGY PHASE, UM, TURNING INTO A, A DEEPER PREPARATION PHASE, LOOKING AT OUR OPERATORS AND, UM, THE SPECIFIC CUP DESIGNS AND COMMUNICATION DESIGN, UM, TO PREPARE US TO TEST NEXT YEAR IN THE SUMMERTIME. 
          AS FAR AS ENGAGEMENT POINTS FOR THE CITY OF PETALUMA THIS FALL, WE'LL BE RECRUITING INDEPENDENT RESTAURANTS TO PARTICIPATE AND IDENTIFYING KEY AREAS OF THE CITY TO PLACE BINS, UH, TO COLLECT THOSE CUPS. 
          AND IN THE FALL AND INTO THE SPRING, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT COMMUNICATING TO LOCAL BUSINESSES, ASSOCIATIONS, UM, AND EVEN CITIZENS TO KIND OF SUPPORT WITH THE COMMUNITY COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND MESSAGING CAMPAIGN THAT WE'RE BUILDING OUT THIS FALL. 
          SO WITH THAT, UH, I'LL LEAVE YOU WITH JUST KIND OF A FEW POINTS THAT WE THOUGHT OF ABOUT HOW THE CITY, UM, MIGHT BE ABLE TO KIND OF ENGAGE WITH US AS WE CONTINUE ON THIS PILOT JOURNEY. 
          THE FIRST IS TO IDENTIFY AREAS OF THE CITY, UM, FOR THE RE RETURNABLE CUP BINS, UM, SO THAT CITIZENS CAN RETURN THEIR CUPS. 
          UM, AT THIS POINT WE'RE NOT SEEKING ANY TYPE OF BUDGET OR OPERATIONAL SUPPORT, BUT RATHER JUST TO KIND OF HELP US WITH THE, WITH THE PLANNING. 
          SECONDLY, THERE, UH, LOOKING AT OUTREACH TO LOCAL BUSINESSES, UM, LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN, UM, GET LOCAL RESTAURANTS AND OUTLETS AND, UM, TO PARTICIPATE AS, AS THE OUTLETS OR DROP OFF LOCATIONS. 
          UH, THIRDLY, LOCAL COMMUNICATIONS TO SUPPORT THROUGH, UM, ANY TYPE OF COMMUNICATIONS TO RESIDENTS, UM, OR, UH, POTENTIAL INTERVIEW PARTNERS AS WE LOOK AT THE, UH, MESSAGING CAMPAIGN. 
          UM, ONE ORGANIZATION THAT WE'VE COME ACROSS AS FULL PETALUMA, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT COULD HELP THERE. 
          UH, FOURTH, WE HAVE LOCAL COLLECTION AS CUPS MAY FALL OUT OF THE SYSTEM, WE'RE LOOKING TO KIND OF, UM, SUPPORT INFORMAL COLLECTION OF CUPS, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, THROUGH THE ORGANIZATION, DOWNTOWN STREETS TEAM. 
          UM, AND, AND WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO KIND OF ENGAGE ANY INITIATIVES THERE. 
          AND FINALLY LOOKING AT SOME DEDICATED LIAISON, UM, FROM THE WASTE MANAGEMENT OFFICE OR COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE THAT COULD HELP US WITH KIND OF PARTNERING DURING THE PREPARATION AND LAUNCH PHASES OF THE PILOT TEST. 
          SO WITH THAT, UM, I WOULD SAY, UH, WE'D BE VERY EXCITED FOR THE COUNCIL TO JOIN US IN THIS JOURNEY, UM, BECAUSE WE REALLY KNOW THAT THIS IS A SYSTEM'S PROBLEM AND, AND SOLUTION AND THEREFORE, UM, THAT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAPPEN ALONE, BUT RATHER IN A COLLABORATIVE ENVIRONMENT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND AT THIS TIME, CAROL AND I, UM, AS WELL AS, UM, KATE KRES, WHO'S, UM, ON, ON THE CALL HERE, UM, ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          GREAT PRESENTATION. 
          UH, COUNCIL MEMBER ZIKE. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UM, SO THE STUDY IS, UH, MY FIRST QUESTION, STUDY'S NOT GOING ON RIGHT NOW, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          ARE, UM, I GUESS I'M ASKING BECAUSE, UM, SOMEONE SHOWED ME A CUP A FEW DAYS AGO, UH, SAYING THAT, UH, IT WAS IN USE AT STARBUCKS. 
          AND I JUST WONDER, UH, IF, IF OTHER PLACES ARE ALSO USING IT ALREADY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , NOW YOU MIGHT HAVE SEEN THE STARBUCKS PILOT, UH, LIVE IN PETALUMA. 
          STARBUCKS IS DOING IT AS A INDEPENDENT EFFORT THAT'S, UH, NOT RELATED TO THIS CONSORTIUM, BUT THE, THE DECISION OF GOING TO PETALUMA HAS TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT BY NEXT YEAR, STARBUCKS WILL HAVE PRIMED THE MARKET ALREADY, AND WE ARE GOING INTO A PRIME THE MARKET. 
          BUT THOSE ARE TWO INDEPENDENT EFFORTS. 
          THANKS, COUNCIL MEMBER SHRIMPS. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M, UH, NOW OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER COCA-COLA BOTTLES BEING RETURNED TO THE STORE INTO RACKS, JUST LIKE BEING SUGGESTED. 
          UM, SO I KNOW, KNOW WE'VE DONE THAT AS A CULTURE BACK IN THE FIFTIES, THAT WAS PRETTY COMMON. 
          AND, UM, BUT I ALSO WAS A DISHWASHER IN ONE OF MY FIRST JOBS. 
          SO, UH, AND I REMEMBER THAT CLEANING OF THE UNITS WAS ONE OF THE, UH, CRITICAL FACTORS WHY THEY SAID THE COST OF CLEANING, ALSO THE CONTAMINATIONS. 
          SO THE QUESTIONS WOULD, I WOULD ASK IS, UM, THE MATERIALS OF THE CUPS, THE, THE LONGEVITY, ARE THERE GONNA BE CERAMIC? WILL THEY HAVE HANDLES, UH, WASHABILITY? WHERE AND HOW WOULD THEY BE WASHED? WHO'S GOING TO DO THE WASHING AND RETURNING? AND WHETHER OR NOT THERE'LL ALSO BE, UH, FAIR PAY TO THE FOLKS, 
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UH, SO THERE'S ALL EQUITABLE FOR THE EMPLOYEES THAT ARE GOING TO BE DOING THIS WORK. 
          AND IS THIS ALL COMING FROM GRANT MONEY THAT THAT'S COMING INTO YOU? UM, OR WHO'S GONNA END UP PAYING FOR THIS SERVICE? SO THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF QUESTIONS I, I WOULD ASK AND FIND OUT, UM, HOW IT'S GONNA BE RUN AND WILL IT BE SENT BACK TO US OR SHOWN TO US HOW ALL THESE LITTLE DETAILS OF THE HOW, WHEN, WHAT AND WHY, UM, WILL BE DONE BEFORE IT ACTUALLY PUT INTO PLAY. 
          I, I'VE, ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO NEXTGEN IS FUNDED BY THE BRANDS, UH, STARBUCKS AND MCDONALD'S BEING THE LARGEST FUNDERS OF, OF, UH, NEXTGEN. 
          THEY ACTUALLY, THEY COLLABORATED WITH $5 MILLION EACH, NOT ONLY FOR REUSE FOR LOTS OF WORKS THAT HAPPENS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. 
          SO THEY ARE FUNDING THE PILOT, THE THREE MONTH PILOT, AND, UM, UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A, THEY UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT THIS IS MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE THAN CURRENT STATUS QUO AND SINGLE USE. 
          BUT, UH, THE BRANDS ARE WILLING TO FUND IT DURING THE PILOT AND AFTER THE PILOT WILL GET THE LEARNINGS AND DEFINE HOW WE SCALE FROM THERE. 
          AND THEN WE CAN GET INTO ALL THE DETAILS OF MATERIALS. 
          SHORT ANSWER IS THE BRANDS ARE DECIDING TO GO WITH PPP. 
          SO IN CASE IT'S NOT RETURNED, IT CAN BE RECYCLED AT A LOCAL M R F CERAMICS BEING THE PREFERRED OPTION FOR DINE IN. 
          BUT FOR THE TAKEAWAY RETURN SYSTEM WILL WILL CHOOSE, UH, MATERIAL THAT CAN BE RECOVERED AT A M R F AND THAT IT DOESN'T BREAK DURING TRANSPORTATION AND WASHING AND SO ON. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY. 
          SO I'M GONNA FOLLOW COUNCIL MEMBER RI DOWN INTO THE WEEDS HERE A LITTLE BIT. 
          UM, SO WOULD, WOULD STARBUCKS HAVE THEIR OWN SET OF CUPS OR WOULD THEY ALL BE INTERCHANGEABLE BETWEEN DIFFERENT USERS? I'M KIND OF CURIOUS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SIZING VARIES BETWEEN DIFFERENT MERCHANTS, UM, AND UM, THE LOGOS CERTAINLY VARY AS WELL. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF STARBUCKS WOULD CONTINUE TO HAVE STARBUCKS LOGOS ON THEIRS OR WOULD THERE JUST BE ONE ONE LOGO FOR THE WHOLE CITY AND EVERYONE WOULD, WOULD SHARE AND THEY COULD GO BACK TO WHEREVER? THEY'RE A GREAT QUESTION. 
          YES. 
          SO, UM, SOME OF OUR BRAND PARTNERS, UM, SUCH AS STARBUCKS HAVE A BRANDED CUP THAT THEY, UM, ARE ALSO PILOTING WITH. 
          BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, WE ARE PROVIDING KIND OF A NEXT GEN STANDARD CUP FOR THE MAJORITY OF OUR PARTNERS. 
          AND, UH, CERTAINLY FOR THE INDEPENDENT LOCATIONS THAT WOULD BE, UM, PARTICIPATING. 
          SO WE HAVE KIND OF A STANDARD POLYPROPYLENE CUP, UM, THAT WE'RE IN THE DESIGN PHASE OF, OF KIND OF LAYING OUT AND, UM, THEREFORE, UM, JUST BRAND BY BRAND, IF THERE ARE CERTAIN BRANDING NEEDS, UM, THEY'RE SUPPLYING THEIR OWN CUP IN THE TEST THAT WILL BE ESSENTIALLY, UM, ABLE TO FIT IN THE SAME INFRASTRUCTURE SUCH AS THE RETURN BINS. 
          AND SO WE ARE KIND OF DESIGNING TOGETHER TO, UM, HELP KIND OF STREAMLINE AND WE ARE CREATING KIND OF SIMILAR MESSAGING SO THAT CONSUMERS UNDERSTAND THAT THE SYSTEM IS INTEROPERABLE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT, THAT'S HELPFUL. 
          AND JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT VERY BRIEFLY, SO IF YOU WALK INTO, UM, AND IN AND OUT BURGER HERE IN TOWN, FOR INSTANCE, AND YOU ORDER A SOFT DRINK, THEY ASK YOU IF YOU WANT WANT SMALL, MEDIUM, OR LARGE. 
          AND, AND SO THAT'S GONNA CREATE ADDITIONAL. 
          SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE PREPARED TO ACCOMMODATE THAT KIND OF AN ISSUE FOR, AT THIS POINT? OF COURSE, IT'S A, A KIND OF A TEST AND SO WE'LL BE, UM, LOOKING AT KIND OF PROVIDING THE CUPS FOR THE KINDA HIGHEST VOLUME SKUS OR, OR CUP SIZES, UM, IN ORDER TO GAIN THOSE LEARNINGS. 
          UM, BUT UH, IT WON'T BE FOR EVERY CUP IN EVERY LOCATION, UM, AT THIS POINT. 
          UM, BUT WE'RE HOPING TO KIND OF GET THE, THE LARGER VOLUMES, UM, IN ORDER TO, TO BE ABLE TO CAPTURE THAT. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM. 
           COUNCIL MEMBER NOW, UM, AS A GRANDMOTHER, I HAVE SEVEN LOCAL CHILDREN. 
          I OFTEN PICK UP, UM, BEVERAGES FOR THEM HEALTHY, UM, AFTER SCHOOL, IF I TAKE THE REUSABLE CUP HOME AND WASH IT MYSELF, CAN I BRING FOUR CHILDREN AND FOUR EMPTY CUPS OR DOES IT HAVE TO BE WASHED BY YOUR DISHWASHERS? I LOVE THE, THE, THE CONTEXT. 
          UH, SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE A, YOU ARE WELCOME TO BRING THEM AS A PERSONAL CUP FOR REFILL DIRECTLY WITH THE RESTAURANTS, BUT ONCE YOU RETURN IT TO OUR RETURN BIN, WE'LL WASH ALL THE CUPS THAT ARE COLLECTED JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A WAY OF KNOWING WHICH ONES WERE WASHED BY THE CUSTOMER BEFORE IT WAS 
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RETURNED. 
          SO JUST FOR SAFETY AND QUALITY ASSURANCE, UH, ALL THE CUPS THAT ARE RETURNED WILL BE WASHED AGAIN. 
          BUT I'M ASKING IF I BRING A CUP AND I SAID, I'VE WASHED THESE CUPS, WILL YOU LET ME FILL THEM AT WHATEVER LOCATION I'M AT? OR WILL YOU SAY NO, YOU TURN THEM IN AND GET FOUR NEW ONES? STARBUCKS WILL, AND THEN IT'LL BE THE PROTOCOL RESTAURANT BY RESTAURANT. 
          WE CAN'T PROMISE THAT EVERY SINGLE RESTAURANT IN TOWN WILL TAKE THEM. 
          I'D SAY MOST RESTAURANTS AND COFFEE SHOPS FROM OUR RESEARCH ARE LEANING TOWARDS INCENTIVIZING. 
          B Y O BRING YOUR OWN CUP PRACTICES. 
          SO I'D SAY LIKELY YES, BUT WE CAN'T PROMISE ON BEHALF OF EACH RESTAURANT BECAUSE IT'LL DEPEND ON THEIR INTERNAL PROTOCOLS. 
          BECAUSE I KNOW SOME ESTABLISHMENTS THEY WON'T LET YOU USE YOUR OWN CUP BECAUSE OF RECONTAMINATION. 
          THEY, THEY DON'T BELIEVE IT'S CLEAN ENOUGH TO BE REUSED WITH THEIR SYSTEMS 'CAUSE IT COULD CONTAMINATE THE NEXT CONSUMER. 
          SO I WAS JUST WONDERING, YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. 
          SOME RESTAURANTS DO HAVE THIS CONCERN, ALTHOUGH IT'S EVEN ANOTHER WORK STREAM THAT KARA AND I WORK ON ON REUSE WITH OUR PARTNERS ON STRENGTHENING B Y O AND CREATING THE PROTOCOLS TO ACCEPT IT. 
          WE KNOW THAT STARBUCKS IS REALLY STRONG AT IT AND OTHER LARGE BRANDS ARE OTHER ALSO STRONG AT IT. 
          BUT AS YOU SAID, LIKE SOME ESTABLISHMENTS ARE NOT THERE YET, THEY DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT PROTOCOLS TO HAND TO HANDLE IT, TO TRANSFER IT, TO REMOVE LIDS, TO MANAGE IT IN DRIVE-THROUGH IN STORE. 
          SO YOU MIGHT FIND ESTABLISHMENTS THAT ARE NOT READY TO RECEIVE PERSONAL CUPS, BUT MOST OF THEM ARE BUILDING TOWARDS BEING READY. 
          AND DURING THE PILOT IT WILL BE CASE BY CASE. 
          SO YOU COULD FIND ESTABLISHMENTS THAT WILL TAKE IT, BUT THERE MIGHT BE ESTABLISHMENTS WHO WOULD JUST TELL YOU TO RETURN IT AND PUT IT THROUGH THE SYSTEM AND THEN GIVE YOU A NEW CUP. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, , MY OTHER QUESTION IS, WILL YOU HAVE REUSABLE LIDS OR WILL YOU GIVE THE CONSUMER A NEW LID WITH A NEW PURCHASE? 'CAUSE TRAVELING IN A CAR WITH FOUR DRINKS IS NOT GOOD WITHOUT LIDS. 
          YEAH, FOR THE PILOT, WE HAD TO MAKE SOME PRIORITY CALLS AND GO WITH A MINIMUM VIABLE PRODUCT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN LAUNCH, UH, SUMMER OF NEXT YEAR. 
          SO WE'LL GO WITH A SINGLE USE LID THAT'S GOING TO GET RECYCLED AFTER EACH CYCLE. 
          IT'S NOT GONNA BE REUSED. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, I THINK YOU'RE GETTING QUITE A BIT OF ANECDOTAL FEEDBACK. 
          UM, AND, UM, AND I, AND I THINK THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IN RECYCLING WORLD THIS IS A, A POSITIVE THING. 
          UM, BUT YOU, YOU KNOW THAT ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE WILL BE THE BURDEN FOR YOU. 
          UH, I KNOW IN TERMS OF OUR CLIMATE EFFORTS, UM, REDUCE USE IS THE TOP PRIORITY. 
          RECYCLE THE USE IS A SECOND AND BENEFICIAL, BUT REDUCE. 
          SO I'M GLAD TO HEAR YOU SAY THAT YOU ARE WORKING ON THAT TASK AS WELL. 
          UH, ANECDOTALLY, I HAVE A LOVELY STAINLESS STEEL COFFEE MUG THAT CAME FROM A BARISTA CHILD OF MINE AT, UH, PETE'S, CHRIS. 
          LOVELY CHRISTMAS PRESENT WHEN YOU'RE A BARISTA AT PETE'S. 
          AND, UM, STARBUCKS WON'T FILL IT, CLEAN, DIRTY, DOESN'T MATTER. 
          WALK IT INTO PETE'S, PETE'S FILLS IT. 
          WE NEED TO HAVE A MORE UNIVERSAL TREATMENT. 
          AND I HEAR YOU SAYING THAT THAT'S ON THE TABLE OR PART OF YOUR CONVERSATION. 
          SO I, UH, WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT THAT BECAUSE THAT WILL GET US TO REDUCING RATHER THAN JUST RECYCLING. 
          AND, UM, NO FEEDBACK NECESSARY. 
          I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER HANDS RAISED ON THE DAAS. 
          AND I WANT TO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION TONIGHT AND THANK OUR STAFFER PATRICK TOO. 
          [PROCLAMATIONS]
MOVING TO THE NEXT ITEM, UH, ALWAYS ONE OF OUR HIGHLIGHTS OF AN EVENING. 
          WE ARE ISSUING A PROCLAMATION TONIGHT AND I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE UP HERMAN HERNANDEZ, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR TO BE ACCEPTING ON THE BEHALF OF LOS CEN WITH HIS TEAM. 
          UM, AND, UH, UM, A PROCLAMATION, UH, FOR LATINO LATINA LATINX HERITAGE MONTH. 
          AND I WILL, UH, PROCEED TO READ WHILE OUR VICE MAYOR, UM, GREETS YOU. 
          UH, WHEREAS THE CITY OF PETALUMA RECOGNIZES LATINO, LATINO E AND EX HERITAGE MONTH BY HONORING THE HISTORIES CULTURE AND CONTRIBUTIONS OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHOSE ANCESTORS CAME FROM MEXICO, THE CARIBBEAN, CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICA. 
          AND WHEREAS THE CITY OF PETALUMA IS COMMITTED TO CONTINUING, BUILDING A WELCOMING AND NEIGHBORLY COMMUNITY, EMBRACING DIVERSITY 
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AND FOSTERING EQUITY FOR EVERY RESIDENCE. 
          AND WHEREAS MORE THAN 21% OF THE CITY OF PETALUMA'S POPULATION IDENTIFIES AS HISPANIC OR LATIN AMERICAN. 
          SPANISH IS THE SECOND MOST SPOKEN LANGUAGE IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND 35% OF THE STUDENT POPULATION IN PETALUMA CITY SCHOOL DISTRICTS IS LATINO, LATINA, LATINA AND LATINX. 
          AND WHEREAS MORE THAN 60 MILLION PEOPLE IN THE UNITED STATES IDENTIFY AS HISPANIC OR LATIN AMERICAN REPRESENTING OVER 18% OF THE POPULATION NATIONWIDE, LATIN AMERICA CONTINUES TO ENRICH OUR NATION'S CHARACTER, SHAPE OUR COMMON FUTURE, AND STRENGTHENS AMERICA'S PROMISE. 
          AND WHEREAS LA LATINO, A E X HERITAGE MONTH WHOSE ROOTS GO BACK TO 1968 BEGINS EACH YEAR ON SEPTEMBER 15TH, THE ANNIVERSARY OF THE INDEPENDENCE OF THE FIVE LATIN AMERICAN COUNTRIES, COSTA RICA, EL SALVADOR, GUATEMALA, AND, UH, HONDURAS, NICARAGUA. 
          AND WHEREAS MEXICO AND CHILE ALSO CELEBRATE THEIR INDEPENDENCE DURING LATINO, UH, EX HERITAGE MONTH ON SEPTEMBER 16TH AND SEPTEMBER 18TH, RESPECTIVELY. 
          WHEREAS, UH, NATIONAL LATINO, A E X HERITAGE MONTH IS OBSERVED FROM SEPTEMBER 15TH TO OCTOBER 15TH TO RECOGNIZE THE CONTRIBUTIONS MADE BY HISPANIC AND LATIN AMERICANS IN THE UNITED STATES AND CELEBRATES THEIR HERITAGE AND CULTURE. 
          AND WHEREAS FOSTERING A WELCOMING ENVIRONMENT FOR ALL INDIVIDUALS REGARDLESS OF RACE, ETHNICITY, OR PLACE OF ORIGIN, ENHANCES PETALUMA'S CULTURE, ECONOMIC GROWTH, GLOBAL COMPETITIVENESS, AND OVERALL PROSPERITY FOR CURRENT AND FUTURE GENERATIONS. 
          NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT I, KEVIN MCDONALD, MAYOR OF PETALUMA, ALONG WITH MEMBERS OF THE CITY, PETALUMA CITY COUNCIL, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM LATINO, A E X HERITAGE MONTH IN THE CITY OF PETALUMA AND ENCOURAGE PETALUMA TO SHARE IN THIS SPECIAL ANNUAL TRIBUTE THROUGH PARTICIPATING IN THE HISTORICAL AND CULTURAL PRESERVATION COMMITTEE AND OTHER COMMUNITY EVENTS TO LEARN ABOUT AND CELEBRATE THE GENERATIONS OF HISPANIC AND LATIN AMERICANS WHO HAVE POSITIVELY INFLUENCED AND ENRICHED OUR NATION AND SOCIETY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          FEEL FREE TO SAY A FEW WORDS. 
          YEAH, I'M NOT SURE IF I'M ALLOWED TO SPEAK, BUT I JUST WANTED TO REALLY SAY THANK YOU. 
          I KNOW YOU HAVE, UH, A LOT OF AGENDA LEFT. 
          PARDON ME REAL QUICKLY. 
          UM, TURN THE MIC ON. 
          SORRY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I WAS JUST SAYING, I KNOW THEY HAVE A LOT OF AGENDA LEFT. 
          IT'S REALLY AWKWARD TO BE IN CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS SOMETIMES 'CAUSE PEOPLE ARE BEHIND YOU. 
          SO I WANT TO ALSO SPEAK TO THE CROWD. 
          UM, AND IT'S ALSO EVEN MORE AWKWARD TO SEE MYSELF ON THE SCREEN, SO I GOTTA FOCUS DOWN. 
          BUT I, I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH TO MAYOR MCDONALD, CITY MANAGER, UH, FLYNN AND COUNCIL MEMBER STAFF AND CITY OF PETALUMA. 
          UM, THIS IS A VERY COOL PROCLAMATION THAT WE ARE RECEIVING. 
          UM, WE'RE NOT HERE REPRESENTING THE ENTIRE LATINX COMMUNITY, BUT WE ARE EXCITED AND HONORED TO BE THOUGHT AS A PARTNER OF THE CITY OF PETALUMA AND INVITED HERE TO RECEIVE THIS. 
          UM, I DO WANT TO JUST MENTION A COUPLE THINGS. 
          WHEN I DO PRESENTATIONS TO ROTARY CLUBS AND COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS, THEY ALWAYS ASK, WHAT'S THE PROPER TERM TO REFER TO YOU AS A HISPANIC, LATINX, LATINA, LATINO LATINA? AND TO BE QUITE HONEST WITH YOU, IF YOU'RE SPEAKING TO AN INDIVIDUAL PERSON, THE RESPECTFUL THING TO ASK IS WHAT THEY LIKE TO BE, UM, REFERRED TO AS. 
          AND THEN ONCE YOU START TO ACCUMULATE THEIR RESPONSES, THEN YOU START TO BUILD YOUR OWN WAY OF REF REFERENCING, UM, TO OUR LATINO COMMUNITY. 
          BUT, UH, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT, AND AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS PROCLAMATION AND THANK YOU SO MUCH TO THE CITY MANAGER FLYNN AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, FOR THE PARTNERSHIP AND FOR ALLOWING US TO HOST ONE OF OUR, UH, 15 EVENTS DOWN HERE IN PETALUMA IN JULY WHERE WE HAD A VERY DEEP CONVERSATION ABOUT THE FARM WORKER VOICE AND WE ELEVATED THEIR VOICE AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE INEQUITIES THAT EXIST IN SONOMA COUNTY WITHIN OUR AGRICULTURAL SYSTEM WHEN IT COMES TO THE FARM WORKER AND HISPANIC HERITAGE MONTH, LATIN, A HERITAGE MONTH TO ME, REALLY IS AN EFFORT TO ELEVATE THE UNSUNG HERO BECAUSE WE FORGET THAT THE FOOD ON OUR TABLE EVERY SINGLE MORNING, EVERY SINGLE LUNCHTIME, EVERY SINGLE EVENING WAS PICKED. 
          OR SOMEONE THAT WAS LATINX, THAT WAS A MIGRANT WORKER, PICKED THAT FOR US. 
          SO IN HONOR OF THIS PROCLAMATION, I JUST WANT TO GIVE THEM A SHOUT OUT, BUT THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER COMMUNITY MEMBERS IN SONOMA COUNTY AND BEYOND THAT HAVE CONTRIBUTED. 
          WE ARE TEACHERS, WE ARE EDUCATORS, WE ARE DOCTORS. 
          WE NOW HAVE A SUPERIOR COURT JUSTICE HERE IN SONOMA COUNTY. 
          JUDGE PARDO, WE ARE PRESIDENTS 
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OF INSTITUTIONS. 
          UM, WE ARE COLLABORATORS AND PARTNERS. 
          SO, UM, THANK YOU ON BEHALF OF LOSA AND OUR BOARD AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO WORK WITH THE CITY OF PETALUMA. 
          YOU HAVE AMAZING STAFF AND WE LOVE, UH, CITY MANAGER FLYNN. 
          SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          HAVE A GREAT EVENING. 
          AND NOW WE'LL MOVE TO, UM, 
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THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE EVENING. 
          AND, UH, LET ME, THIS IS, UM, WHERE WE'RE INVITING THE PUBLIC TO MAKE COMMENT. 
          4, 5, 6. 
          I THINK I HAVE A DOZEN CARDS IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT NOW FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          AND SO I'D LIKE TO ASK THE CLERK IF WE HAVE RECEIVED ANY ONLINE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WE SHOULD BE AWARE OF. 
          MAYOR, THERE ARE SEVEN PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN POSTED ONLINE. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          AND I'D LIKE TO ASK OUR MODERATOR TO RE-READ THE MESSAGING AND CHECK OUR ONLINE AUDIENCE. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          AT THIS TIME I WILL START A 32ND CLOCK FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ATTENDING IN PERSON SHOULD BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS AT THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE SO. 
          MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ATTENDING ONLINE SHOULD RAISE THEIR VIRTUAL HAND OR PRESS STAR NINE. 
          IF PARTICIPATING BY PHONE SPEAKERS ARE REMINDED TO BE RESPECTFUL IN THEIR COMMENTS AND THAT THIS MEETING IS BEING TRANSLATED, PLEASE PAUSE BETWEEN SENTENCES FOR TRANSLATION. 
          A ACCOUNTANT WILL APPEAR FOR THE CONVENIENCE OF THE SPEAKER AND THE VIEWERS. 
          MR. MAYOR, AT THIS POINT WE HAVE FOUR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WITH THEIR HANDS RAISED. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          SO FOUR MEMBERS PLUS THE DOZEN I HAVE HERE IS 16 AND THAT, UH, PUTS US IN, UH, IN KEEPING WITH OUR 20 MINUTE LIMITATION TO 90 SECONDS WOULD BE PUT PUT ON THE CLOCK TONIGHT. 
          OUR MODERATORS KEEP CATCHING UP HERE. 
          AND, AND I'D UH, LIKE TO GO TO THE IN-HOUSE SPEAKERS FIRST AND THEN BACK TO OUR, OUR, UM, ZOOM SPEAKERS. 
          SECOND FIRST SPEAKER WOULD BE TIM PORTUS TO BE FOLLOWED BY ROBERT HANSON. 
          AND MAYOR, JUST TO NOTE, I'M GONNA HAVE IT UP SHOWING TWO MINUTES, PROBABLY STOPPING, UH, WHEN IT GETS TO 30 SECONDS, DO WE HAVE MEANS TO SET IT AT? LET ME GIMME ONE SECOND. 
          I GIVE YOU. 
          YEAH, WELL LET'S, LET'S BACK UP TO HERE AND GO WITH THE TWO MINUTE AND WE'LL GO THE FULL TWO MINUTE, UH, OR WE GO DOWN THAT. 
          MR. MODERATOR, I HAVE THIS, UH, HOLD UP. 
          HERE WE GO. 
          WE HAVE 90 SECONDS. 
          90 SECONDS. 
          UH, MODERATOR, I, UH, WE CAN USE THE CLOCK IN THE BACK HERE. 
          I'VE SET IT TO A MINUTE, 30 SECONDS SO WE CAN, WE'LL, WE'LL COORDINATE IT. 
          TEAMWORK. 
          PERFECT. 
          I DO HAVE THE 92ND UP. 
          IT IS KIND OF SMALLER. 
          ALRIGHT, WELL LET'S, UM, DO A COMBINATION OF WHATEVER WORKS FOR YOU TWO AND, UH, INVITE TIM TO, UH, START HIS PRESENTATION NOW. 
          WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU ALL KNOW WHERE WE HAVE BEEN AS FAR AS YOUNGSTOWN AND I FOR ONE, THANK YOU. 
          YOU GUYS HAVE REALLY BUSTED YOUR BACKS. 
          YOU HAD A LOT TO DO FOR, THERE'S A LOT OF COUNCIL MEMBERS BEFORE YOU THAT DIDN'T FOR YEARS, BUT YOU HAVE DONE IT AND YOU'RE ON THE PATH. 
          AND I WANT YOU TO REMEMBER AND EVERYONE ELSE THAT VOTES FOR ALL OF YOU THAT THIS IS FOR NOT ONLY US, EVERYBODY'S GONNA BECOME AN ELDERLY PERSON AND THE SHARKS ARE OUT AND THEY COME FOR US. 
          AND AS ALL WE HAVE IS BASICALLY YOU GUYS, THERE'S NO PROTECTION FOR US. 
          THERE'S A POLICE, DON'T COME, THERE'S NO FIRE. 
          SENATORS AREN'T GONNA COME DOWN, BUT YOU GUYS CAN UNDERSTAND. 
          YOU SEE US, YOU LIVE WITH US. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU GUYS HAVE REALLY DONE A LOT. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO SAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, NEXT IS ROBERT HANSSEN TO BE FOLLOWED BY ROB ANELLA. 
          GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. 
          MY NAME'S ROBERT HANSSEN. 
          TO EVERYBODY, THE 
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BEST IN HEALTH AND SPIRIT. 
          FIRST I'D LIKE TO TALK THANK THE TWO LADIES AT CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. 
          I MET, THEY PROVIDED ME INFORMATION AND COURTESY THAT WAS MUCH APPRECIATED. 
          I PAY $166 A YEAR FOR 24 7 ACCESS TO MY MAIL AT THE POST OFFICE. 
          THAT'S BEEN LIMITED TO 10 HOURS A DAY BECAUSE OUR POST OFFICE HAS BEEN CLOSED BECAUSE THEY'RE USING IT AS A BATHROOM. 
          NOW THE POST OFFICE CLOSED FOR 14 HOURS A DAY, YET WE HAVE MEN AND WOMEN BATHROOMS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET AT THE PARK THAT ARE LOCKED ALL NIGHT LONG. 
          I'M ASKING THE CITY COUNCIL TO OPEN UP THOSE BATHROOMS, ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO HAVE ACCESS TO A BATHROOM. 
          THE LADIES AT THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE PROVIDED ME INFORMATION THAT WAS MUCH NEEDED. 
          I CAME IN AND TO TALK TO MR. CARTER ABOUT THE CITY'S RECYCLING OF OUR ORGANIC WASTE. 
          BEFORE PROP 13, I WAS PROVIDING THE CITY OF BERKELEY WITH WORMS FOR THEIR ORGANIC WASTE. 
          IT ELIMINATED DUMPING IT IN LAND USE. 
          AND THE BI THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS FOR YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED. 
          IT WAS A 90 MINUTE CLOCK TONIGHT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND 90 SECONDS CLOCK. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I, AND OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS, UM, ROB ANELLO TO BE FOLLOWED BY DAVID ALDEN, MAYOR CITY COUNCIL. 
          UH, MY NAME'S ROBERT ANELLO. 
          I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE RIDGE CITY RIDERS MOTORCYCLE CLUB HERE IN PETALUMA SONOMA, MARIN COUNTY. 
          I CAME HERE TONIGHT TO HOPEFULLY ENTICE ALL OF YOU TO COME TO OUR BENEFIT FOR THE POLY CLASS FOUNDATION, UH, OCTOBER 7TH AT THE SONOMA MARIN, AS I CALL IT, THE PETALUMA FAIRGROUNDS. 
          UM, IT'S A BENEFIT. 
          IT'S A PROGRAM THAT WE STARTED WITH POLY CLASS EIGHT YEARS AGO. 
          UH, WE FUNDED IT AND WE CONTINUE TO FUND IT. 
          IT'S AN OUTREACH PROGRAM TO GRAMMAR SCHOOLS JUNIOR HIGH AND HIGH SCHOOL. 
          IT TEACHES YOUNG GIRLS, UM, ABOUT THE EFFECTS OF INTERNET PREDATORS AND HOW TO SAFEGUARD THEM FROM BEING PREYED ON. 
          UH, WE'RE PRETTY PROUD OF BEING ABLE TO SPONSOR THAT EVERY YEAR. 
          UM, IT'S A CAR SHOW. 
          IT'S A BIKE SHOW BIKE RALLY. 
          THERE'S 48 TO LOCAL BUSINESSES. 
          UM, I HAVE THE BEST BARBECUE CHICKEN, I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THAT. 
          UM, I HAVE LIVE MUSIC THERE ALL DAY. 
          AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE DONATE $35,000 TO THE PUBLIC CLASS FOUNDATION AND WE RAFFLE OFF A BRAND NEW BIKE. 
          SO I WAS HOPING THAT YOU MIGHT LOG DOWN ON YOUR CALENDAR. 
          YOU ALL GOT LITTLE CARDS HERE, UH, YOU CAN PUT ON YOUR REFRIGERATOR SO YOU WON'T FORGET. 
          UM, IT'S A GREAT EVENT. 
          IT'S FREE TO YOU AND TO THE PUBLIC. 
          WE DON'T CHARGE FOR ANYONE TO COME IN. 
          IT'S FROM NINE TO FIVE 30 AND IT'S FAMILY FRIENDLY. 
          IT'S, IT'S A GREAT DAY. 
          AND WE'D JUST LIKE YOU TO COME DOWN MAYBE AND CHECK OUT WHAT WE DO. 
          UH, THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD LOOKING PEOPLE. 
          THERE'S SOME UGLY PEOPLE, BUT YOU'LL HAVE TO GET OVER THAT. 
          UH, THANK YOU FOR THE TIME. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          ENJOY THE EVENING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU DAVID ALDEN TO BE FOLLOWED BY PETER CHERIF. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          I'M HERE TODAY REPRESENTING HER THE SEAT HERE THIS EVENING, REPRESENTING URBAN CHAP. 
          I THINK AS ALL OF YOU KNOW, WE ARE HOSTING A PAIR OF SHOWINGS OF A BETTER CITIES FILM FESTIVAL ON SEPTEMBER 20TH AT THE BOULEVARD CINEMAS AND ON SEPTEMBER 28TH AT THE SS R J C PETALUMA CAMPUS. 
          EACH DAY THE EVENT CONVENES AT FIVE O'CLOCK FOR INTRODUCTORY CONVERSATION, CASUAL CONVERSATION. 
          THE SHOWING WILL BE AT SIX O'CLOCK AFTERWARDS. 
          WE ARE MAKING PROVISION FOR A CHANCE TO EXCHANGE INSIGHTS WE'VE LEARNED FROM THOSE FILMS. UH, THE CITY MANAGER DOES HAVE A BLOCK OF TICKETS BECAUSE THE CITY IS ONE OF OUR MAJOR SPONSORS WHERE SHE CAN MAKE TICKETS AVAILABLE FOR FREE. 
          AND WE'VE TOLD HER THAT IF YOU WANT, IF SHE RUNS SHORT, WE CAN FIND A WAY TO GET SOME MORE TICKETS IN HER HANDS. 
          SO PLEASE TAKE PART. 
          IF YOU GO TO URBAN CHAT.ORG ON THE EVENTS LIST, YOU CAN FIND THE LIST OF FILMS WE'LL SHOW THAT NIGHT. 
          WE TOUCH ALL THE STANDARD URBAN TOPICS YOU'D EXPECT. 
          TRANSPORTATION, HOUSING, COMMUNITY ACCESS, ET CETERA. 
          IT, IT'S A GOOD LIST OF FILMS. WE'RE REAL PLEASED WHAT WE'VE MANAGED TO PUT TOGETHER AND WITHIN A COUPLE OF DAYS, YOU WILL ALSO SEE THE LIST OF SPONSORS@URBANCHAT.ORG. 
          UH, JUST A FEW EXAMPLES. 
          CANNELL PROPERTIES, MAD AND GREEN BUILDING ARCHITECTS, THE EAMS INSTITUTE, AMY'S KITCHEN, CONGRESS FOR THE NEW URBANISM CALIFORNIA CHAPTER. 
          IT'S A GOOD GROUP OF SPONSORS AND THAT JUST TOUCHED A FEW OF 'EM, SO PLEASE CHECK THAT OUT. 
          HOPE YOU CAN JOIN US ON ONE OF THOSE TWO DAYS OR BOTH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK 
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YOU PETER TURNIP TO BE FOLLOWED BY JODY JOHNSON. 
          WE WERE GIVEN A REPUBLIC AND TOLD TO BE VIGILANT. 
          THE FULLY INFORMED JURY ASSOCIATION IS WORTH ANYBODY'S LOOKEE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE GONNA BE ON A JURY FOR IT CLARIFIES A JURY HOLDS TRUE POWER. 
          AND A JUDGE IS, BUT A REFEREE, A JURY TO JUDGE ALL FACTS. 
          AND IF ANY OMITTED BEING SUFFICIENT FOR AN IMMEDIATE ACQUITTAL, A JURY TO JUDGE THE LAW ITSELF. 
          AND IN THE CURRENT SONOMA COUNTY PROSECUTION OF DIRECT ACTION EVERYWHERE ANIMAL RIGHTS GROUP, THE LAW NEEDS TO BE NULLIFIED AS IN A JURY NULLIFICATION FOR FOUR VERIFIED ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS. 
          AMERICAN JURISPRUDENCE IS BASED ON THE 10 COMMANDMENTS, WHICH WERE NEVER FOLLOWED. 
          THE COURTS ARE OPERATING UNDER JESUIT LAW, DISREGARDING US CONSTITUTION, THE PROSECUTING DA AND LAWYERS. 
          AND THE JUDGE TOOK AN OATH TO SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION AND DO NEITHER SERIOUS EVIDENCE HAS ALREADY BEEN EXCLUDED BY THE JUDGE. 
          AND AG AND THREE GAG ORDERS HAVE BEEN IMPOSED. 
          SO THEY'RE STACKING THE ODDS AGAINST THIS, UH, GROUP. 
          THAT'S THE JUDGE, THE JURY, AND THE SONOMA COUNTY SLAUGHTERHOUSE BUREAU AGAINST A GROUP OF YOUTH WHO RESCUED SEVERAL ABUSED, NEGLECTED, AND DOWNED CHICKS AND DUCKLINGS. 
          MARTIN LUTHER KING SAID ONE MAN WRONGFULLY INCARCERATED. 
          SO ARE WE ALL. 
          LEONARD PELTIER'S BEEN DOWN 48 YEARS AND GREEN BERET DR. 
          MCDONALD. 
          51 YEARS. 
          SO I'M LOOKING FOR THE AMERICAN HUSTLE AND THE AMERICAN MUSCLE WARRIORS PATRIOTS SPECIAL FORCES UPON ALMIGHTY HORSES. 
          I AM PETER. 
          I AM SERVANT COMMANDING AS I'M COMMANDED TILL EVERY NEED OF THE EARTH BE REMANDED BY THE 40 DAY FREEDOM STRIKE. 
          IT IS. 
          SO IT IS DONE. 
          THANK YOU JODY JOHNSON TO BE FOLLOWED BY CATHERINE BOBOWSKI, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND ALL CITY STAFF. 
          THE SENIOR CITIZENS OF PETALUMA MOBILE PARKS, WISH TO THANK YOU FOR GETTING US THIS FAR IN THE POTENTIAL SENIOR PARK OVERLAY ZONING DESIGNATION. 
          YOU ARE A MODEL TO OTHER CITIES AS YOU WALK THE WALK OF MAKING A PROFOUND DIFFERENCE. 
          WE ARE HOPEFUL NOW, NOT HOPELESS. 
          WE ARE A LITTLE LESS STRESSED IN OUR FIGHT FOR STAYING HOUSED BECAUSE OF YOUR ACTIONS AND WANTED YOU ALL TO KNOW THAT IT IS BECAUSE OF YOUR HARD WORK. 
          ON OUR BEHALF AT YOUNGSTOWN ROYAL OAKS, PETALUMA STATES, LEISURE LAKES, AND THE COTTAGES, MOBILE PARK RESIDENCE OWNERS, YOU ARE APPRECIATED FOR THE IMPACT YOU ARE MAKING ON OUR BEHALF THAT LEAVE A LASTING LEGACY FOR ALL PETALUMA. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          KATHERINE BOBOWSKI TO BE FOLLOWED BY HEATHER KRET. 
          YES, MY NAME'S KATHERINE BROWSKI. 
          I AGREE WITH THE LAST SPEAKER JUST NOW. 
          ALSO TOO, I WANTED TO INFORM YOU THERE'S A STALKER THAT'S BEEN STALKING MY MOBILE 24 HOURS A DAY. 
          AND HE IS RIGHT UP AGAINST MY PLACE. 
          THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SAYS HE COULD BREAK THE LAW AND HE'S, AND HE HAS. 
          AND ON TOP TOP OF THAT THE LICENSE PLATE IS NINE C H Y 1 59. 
          HE HAS ANOTHER LICENSE PLATE OF P M P, UH, P M B 5 5008. 
          HE'S BEEN VANDALIZING MY HOME SITE. 
          HE'S BEEN PEEKING AT MY WINDOW AT NIGHTTIME. 
          HE SHINES HIS FLASHLIGHT INTO MY WINDOW AND I WENT DOWN TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          THEY SAID, NO, HE COULD BREAK THE LAW AT YOUR PLACE. 
          AND HE'S STILL AT MY PLACE SINCE MARCH 17TH. 
          AND THIS IS ALREADY SEPTEMBER 11TH. 
          AND THE COPS WON'T GET OUT THERE AND ARREST THIS GUY. 
          THEY NEED TO START DOING THEIR JOB, GET SOME HELP OUT THERE, AND HAVE THE COPS GET OUT THERE AND ARREST THIS GUY. 
          AND THIS GUY IS, UH, ASSOCIATED TO SPACE 11 AND HE HAS NO BUSINESS AT MY PLACE. 
          STALKING, TRESPASSING, PICKING MY WINDOW, DOING EVERYTHING. 
          VANDALIZING, TERRORIZING, ARISING HARASSMENT. 
          PLEASE GET TO OFFICERS. 
          ALL THE ANSWER IS GET TO OFFICERS OUT THERE AND ARREST THEM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU HEATHER KRATT TO BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, ROBERT. 
          UM, GUSTAD. 
          HI. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          I HAD PUT IN A SPEAKER CARD 'CAUSE I JUST WANTED TO SUPPORT THE IDEA OF, UM, STORY POLLS AND IT'S NEVER TOO SOON TO BE TRANSPARENT, SO I HOPE YOU'LL DO THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU ROBERT. 
          UH, GUSTAD TO BE FOLLOWED BY HOLLY MANZANO. 
          HI, MY NAME'S ROBERT GTAD. 
          I JUST WANNA SAY I'M ALSO IN FAVOR OF THE STORY POLLS. 
          I WON'T TAKE ANY MORE TIME. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UH, AND UM, HOLLY MANZANO TO BE FOLLOWED BY KAREN ELDRIDGE. 
          HI, I'M HOLLY MANZANO, ALSO IN FAVOR OF THE STORY POLLS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, KAREN ELDRIDGE TO BE FOLLOWED BY NOELLE. 
          UM, MANNAR. 
          HI. 
          THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. 
          . 
          THANK YOU FOR SHOWING UP. 
          I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT STORY POLLS MAINLY 
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BECAUSE I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WASN'T ON THE AGENDA. 
          SO I, UH, DID A PRESENTATION. 
          UM, AND I WAS UNAWARE HOW FAR THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS EVOLVING WITH STORY POLLS. 
          SO SOME OF THIS MAY BE REDUNDANT. 
          WHEN I MOVED TO PETALUMA 40 YEARS AGO, THERE WAS A USED CAR LOT WHERE THE NEWER THEATER ON C STREET NOW IS THE CITY DID A GREAT JOB OF DEVELOPING AND REVIT REVITALIZING THIS TWO BLOCK AREA. 
          AND WE NEED TO TAKE PRIDE IN THAT WE HAVE A REPUTATION TO UPHOLD AS WE GO FORWARD. 
          WE'RE LIVING IN PROSPEROUS TIMES IN PETALUMA. 
          DEVELOPERS ARE WAITING IN LINE AND CHOMPING AT THE BE. 
          PETALUMA IS OPEN FOR BUSINESS. 
          THE GROWTH OF PETALUMA IS IN PROGRESS, THE CITY COUNCIL PLANNING DEPARTMENT. 
          AND WE AS CITIZENS HAVE A MONUMENTAL RESPONSIBILITY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A, WITH CONSCIOUS AND, AND VISION. 
          WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL HISTORIC DOWNTOWN TO PRESERVE. 
          IDEALLY, PROGRESS MEANS THAT THINGS CHANGE CAREFULLY AND WITH THOUGHT. 
          I WANT TO DISCUSS THE PROPOSED HOTEL. 
          I AGREE. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, BUT YOUR, OR FOR YOUR COMMENTS, BUT YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UM, TOO BAD. 
          NOELLE MANARD IS THE LAST, UH, SPEAKER CARD I HAVE IN-HOUSE MI MR. MAYOR, IS IT OKAY IF I NOTE THAT FOLKS, IF, IF, UM, THE TIME HASN'T BEEN SUFFICIENT FOR YOU TO SHARE ALL YOU WISH, YOU CAN SUBMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THE CLERK AND THERE'LL BE PUT ON OUR WEBSITE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THAT ANNOUNCEMENT FOR THE PUBLIC BENEFIT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          PLEASE CONTINUE. 
          UH, GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. 
          UH, FIRST OF ALL, I AM IN SUPPORT OF STORY POLLS FOR THE HOTEL STORY POLLS IN GENERAL, AS THE MOST TRANSPARENT AND EFFECTIVE WAY TO COMMUNICATE THE IMPACT OF DEVELOPMENT FOR ANYBODY THAT PROPOSES TO DO WORK IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          I THINK SPECIFICALLY THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THE IMPACTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE OVERLAY MERIT, BOTH ITS PAST ITS FUTURE AND ITS PRESENT AND ITS FUTURE IMPACT, BE AS TRANSPARENTLY COMMUNICATED AS POSSIBLE. 
          AND I BELIEVE ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO WORK IN THIS COMMUNITY COME IN WITH AN ABSOLUTE RESPECT FOR THE CHARM, THE CHARACTER AND THE INTEGRITY AND THE KNOWLEDGE REALLY THAT ALL OF US HAVE ABOUT HOW SPECIAL THIS PLACE IS, AND UNDERSTANDS THAT TRANSPARENCY AND CLEAR COMMUNICATION IN THE FORM OF STORY POLLS ARE, ARE A CLEAR REQUIREMENT. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE JUST UNDERSTOOD. 
          UH, NOW I APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION TODAY BETWEEN THE COUNCIL MEMBER AND THE CITY ATTORNEY BECAUSE I THINK GETTING AHEAD OF OURSELVES WITH RESPECT TO THE COUNCIL, MAKING A DECISION ABOUT STORY POLLS IS ABSOLUTELY GETTING THE CART IN FRONT OF THE HORSE WITH RESPECT TO THE OTHER ASPECTS OF THE PROCESS THAT STILL NEED TO PLAY THEMSELVES OUT WITH RESPECT TO THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION AS WELL AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          SO, BUT WE WILL STAY, UH, VIGILANT IN TERMS OF THE CLOCK WITH RESPECT TO HOW THE PROCESS IS MAKING ITSELF THROUGH. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THAT CONCLUDES OUR IN-HOUSE. 
          LET'S SWITCH OVER TO OUR ZOOM AUDIENCE. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          THE FIRST SPEAKER THAT I HAVE IS JANE HAMILTON. 
          JANE, I'LL ALLOW YOU TO SPEAK. 
          YOU CAN UNMUTE YOURSELF AND BEGIN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, OKAY. 
          SO WHAT I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND IS THIS, WHY ON A CONTROVERSIAL PROJECT LIKE THE HOTEL AND THE OVERLAY ZONE, WOULD OUR PLANNING STAFF NOT HAVE ALREADY REQUIRED STORY POLLS TO BE, UH, ERECTED? THEY'RE NOT, UH, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT HAS TO GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR THE COUNCIL, AND TO ME IT'S PRETTY MUCH OF A NO-BRAINER. 
          UM, IT CAN BE DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY. 
          THE DECISION, THE REQUIREMENT CAN BE MADE AND DOING SO WOULD DEMONSTRATE A MUCH HIGHER LEVEL OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN WITH THESE PROPOSALS. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE OVERLAY ZONE, I'M, I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT, BUT I WANT MORE INFORMATION. 
          AND THIS IS TANGIBLE. 
          THIS IS SOMETHING PEOPLE CAN GET THEIR, CAN RELATE TO. 
          UH, A THREE D UM, DEMONSTRATION OF, WELL, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? THE, THE STORY POLLS NEED TO GO UP AND THEY NEED TO GO UP SOONER RATHER THAN LATER AND NOT WAIT UNTIL WINTER WHEN IT'S STORMING AND THEY'RE GETTING BLOWN DOWN AND, YOU KNOW, ONTO PEOPLE OR WHATEVER, WHERE YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE STABILITY OF THEM. 
          I THINK THEY SHOULD GO UP RIGHT AWAY AND, AND STAFF CAN RE MAKE THAT AS A REQUIREMENT. 
          DOESN'T HAVE TO, UH, WAIT FOR, GO THROUGH ALL THE RIGMAROLE THAT WAS DESCRIBED 
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ABOUT WAITING FOR IT TO GET TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE 60 DAYS AND ALL THAT. 
          LET'S JUST DO IT. 
          I HOPE THE STAFF WILL, UH, DO THIS AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, BUT YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED. 
          THE NEXT SPEAKER THAT WE HAVE IS PAUL MCG. 
          PAUL, I'LL NOW ALLOW YOU TO SPEAK. 
          YOU CAN UNMUTE YOURSELF AND BEGIN. 
          THANK YOU AS THE FOUNDER OF WIRE CALIFORNIA.COM. 
          I'M A TELECOMMUNICATION SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT AND LOBBYIST. 
          TODAY I SUBMITTED TWO WRITTEN PUBLIC COMMENTS TO THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          I'M ASKING THE CITY COUNCIL TO SEND TWO LETTERS. 
          ONE FOR A STATE WIRELESS BILL AB 9 65, AND THE OTHER FOR A FEDERAL WIRELESS BILL, HR 3 5 57. 
          I'VE PROVIDED LINKS TO DETAILED RESEARCH AND REASONS TO VETO AB 96 5 AND OPPOSE HR 3 5 57 IN THE PUBLIC COMMENTS I SENT TODAY. 
          WE FIRST NEED A LETTER FROM THE CITY COUNCIL TO GOVERNOR NEWSOM, ASKING HIM TO VETO THIS UNNECESSARY AND DAMAGING AB 9 65. 
          IT'S A DECEPTIVE BILL THAT WOULD HAMSTRINGING LOCAL CONTROL OVER WIRES. 
          TELECOMMUNICATIONS FACILITIES. 
          WE'RE ASKING THE GOVERNOR TO VETO AB 9 65 BECAUSE ONE, THE BILL ALLOWS THE WIRELESS INDUSTRY TO OVERRUN COUNTIES AND LOCALITIES WITH AN UNLIMITED STRING OF BATCHED APPLICATIONS, 25 TO 50 AT A TIME WITH DEEMED APPROVED RATCHETS SET AT 60 DAYS. 
          NO PLANNING PERSON CAN ADEQUATELY REVIEW 50 APPLICATIONS IN 60 DAYS. 
          THE WIRELESS INDUSTRY WELL UNDERSTANDS THIS. 
          THE BILL WOULD SIMPLY ENCOURAGE OVERSERVING ALREADY SERVED COMMUNITIES LIKE PETALUMA, FOREVER POLLUTING PETALUMA WITH MASSIVE MICROWAVE RADIATION LEVELS. 
          THIS MORNING I MET WITH GRANT MACK, THE GOVERNOR'S LEGISLATIVE DIRECTOR, AND HE WAS OPEN TO THE EVIDENCE. 
          WE ENTERED INTO THE PUBLIC RECORD JUSTIFYING THIS VETO. 
          WE'RE ASKING MAYOR MCDONALD TO WRITE A LETTER SIMILAR IN SCOPE TO THE LETTER THAT MAYOR BARRETT WROTE IN 2021 TO OPPOSE SB 5 56. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP IN THIS IMPORTANT MATTER, AND IF YOU NEED ANY ADDITIONAL, UH, ASSISTANCE, JUST REACH OUT TO ME. 
          CONTACTS ARE IN THE EMAILS I SENT TODAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THE NEXT SPEAKER THAT WE HAVE IS SUSAN KIRKS. 
          SUSAN, I'LL NOW ALLOW YOU TO SPEAK. 
          YOU CAN UNMUTE YOURSELF AND BEGIN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          I SENT A GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT THIS EVENING THAT DID NOT GET POSTED TO THE AGENDA, AND, UM, THE SENTENCE WAS SIMPLY TO PLEASE TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR TO PLEASE REINSTATE ZOOM, MEETING ACCESS FOR COMMISSION AND COMMITTEE MEETINGS. 
          AND THEN I'D LIKE TO ALSO ADD  THAT YOU REMOVED AN ITEM FROM YOUR AGENDA THIS EVENING THAT WOULD'VE TAKEN UP PROBABLY AT LEAST A HALF HOUR. 
          AND YOU DO HAVE THE DISCRETION TO, UM, GIVE THE PUBLIC YOUR PUBLIC A LITTLE MORE TIME TO MAKE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          I HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT THE VERY MINIMUM THAT SHOULD BE ALLOWED OR, OR PROVIDED RATHER, IS TWO MINUTES, ONE MINUTE, 30 SECONDS IN A MEETING WHERE YOU'VE REMOVED THE SIGNIFICANT AGENDA ITEM. 
          REALLY JUST NOT REPRESENT OUR RESIDENTS, OUR VOTERS, YOUR PUBLIC. 
          I HOPE YOU'LL CONSIDER THAT IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE THE DISCRETION TO ALLOW A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I SHOULD, NEXT SPEAKER THAT WE HAVE IS DARREN KUSON. 
          DARREN, I'LL NOT ALLOW YOU TO SPEAK. 
          YOU CAN UNMUTE YOURSELF AND BEGIN. 
          THANKS, AARON. 
          UH, I JUST WANTED TO ADVOCATE TONIGHT FOR A GREATER VISIBILITY AND AN INVESTMENT IN COMMUNICATIONS AROUND THE GENERAL PLAN PROCESS. 
          UH, I'VE BEEN KIND OF SHOCKED AT THE GENERAL PLAN MEETINGS I'VE ATTENDED RECENTLY AT THE LOW LEVEL OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. 
          AND I THINK PART OF THAT IS MANY MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY DON'T KNOW THAT THE PROCESS IS HAPPENING. 
          AND WITH ANY OF THESE LONG PROCESSES, I THINK IT'S HARD TO KEEP ENGAGEMENT UP FOR THE DURATION. 
          BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, WE'RE SEEING CERTAIN PROJECTS COME UP THAT HINT AT CERTAIN ISSUES THAT I THINK ARE GONNA PLAY A BIG ROLE IN THE FUTURE OF PETALUMA. 
          AND A LOT OF THAT COMES OUT OF THE GENERAL PLAN, AND OF COURSE, NOT THE LEAST OF WHICH, UH, OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS AND NEW ZONING ORDINANCE, SO MANY OTHER BIG POLICY PIECES OR TIME WITH THE GENERAL PLAN THAT I REALLY THINK WE SHOULD BE SHOOTING FOR HUGE AMOUNTS OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, ALMOST MORE SO THAN ANY OTHER ISSUE, BECAUSE THIS CHARTS THE COURSE FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THAT LOOKS LIKE BANNERS HANGING UP OVER STREETS, YOU KNOW, DECIDE THE FUTURE OF PETALUMA, BUT I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION TO CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE. 
          I BELIEVE THERE'S AN IN-PERSON EVENT THAT'S SCHEDULED FOR SEPTEMBER 21ST, BUT THAT'S COMING UP QUICKLY. 
          AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE COMMS HAVE BEEN AROUND THAT. 
          UH, BUT I JUST WANNA ADVOCATE FOR REALLY OUR CITY PUSHING THAT MESSAGING TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE GENERAL PLAN PROCESS TO GET 
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A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF ENGAGEMENT, UH, BECAUSE IT IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF THE FUTURE OF PETALUMA. 
          THANKS. 
          AND MR. MAYOR, THAT'S THE LAST FILE, COMMENT, HAVE, UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND, UM, IT WAS A GOOD ONE TO GO OUT ON IN THAT THE GENERAL PLAN IS A VERY IMPORTANT DOCUMENT AND, UH, IT'S NICE TO SEE IT BOTH IN CITY COMMUNICATIONS GOING OUT NOW. 
          UM, THAT UPDATE PROCESS AND MEETING, THAT MEETING WILL BE IN PERSON AS WELL AS ONLINE. 
          SO HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO PARTICIPATE. 
          LET'S MOVE TO 
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THE COUNCIL COMMENTS TONIGHT. 
          AND I'D LIKE TO START TONIGHT WITH COUNCIL MEMBER SCHIBS. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, GOOD EVENING. 
          UM, MY WATERSHED AND WATER REUSE REGIONAL COMMITTEES THAT I USUALLY ATTEND, UM, TOOK A BREAK DURING AUGUST AND JUST LIKE THE CITY COUNCIL DID, SO MAYBE I NEED TO START PLANNING A VACATION. 
          THAT TIME OF YEAR, THE, UM, AG AND OPEN SPACE DID MEET AND THEY REPORTED THAT THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS, WHICH IS THE COUNTY SUPERVISORS, UM, APPROVED SEVERAL URBAN PROJECTS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, INCLUDING OVER A $2 MILLION FOR OUR OWN BOUNTY FARM. 
          AND THAT'S GONNA BE, UM, SUPPLEMENTED WITH ANOTHER, ABOUT $2 MILLION PLUS FROM OUR PENDULUM PEOPLE SERVICES IN ORDER TO PURCHASE AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT FARM STAYS PERMANENT RATHER THAN JUST LEASING YEAR TO YEAR. 
          SO THIS IS A GOOD THING THAT'S REALLY HAPPENING, THAT'S WORKING ON, UM, A SECOND EVENT THAT HAPPENED WAS THAT, UH, WE, WE DID GET A TOUR OF VARIOUS PROJECTS. 
          I WAS, UH, WE HAVE A CHOICE OF THREE. 
          I CHOSE TO GO TO THE DUCKWORTH FARM, UH, WHICH IS A PICK YOUR OWN BERRY FARM IN SEBASTOPOL THAT WAS BEING SUPPORTED FOR ITS VERY SPECIAL LOCATION. 
          AND, UM, THE WILDLIFE THAT IS THERE WITH THE, UM, THE VARIOUS PONDS AND STREAMS AND CREEKS THAT ARE CROSS CRISSCROSSING IT, AND THEY PROVIDE A HUGE EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES TO THE COMMUNITY ON THEIR DIME. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT GIVEN MONEY FOR, FOR WHAT THEY DO. 
          AND THEY ALL SUMMER LONG, THEY HAVE CHILDREN COMING AND THEY'RE DOING EDUCATION PROGRAM AND THEY'RE DOING IT OUT OF THEIR OWN PERSONAL POCKETS, WHICH IS PRETTY AMAZING. 
          UM, SO IT'S A REALLY GOOD MODEL TO GO LOOK AT WHAT THEY DO AND HOW THEY DO THINGS. 
          AND MAYBE WE CAN GET, UH, MORE OF THAT MODEL HERE IN PETALUMA. 
          UM, CURRENTLY THE AG AND OPEN SPACE HAS 40 PROJECTS IN NEGOTIATIONS AND 25 IN SOME PHASE OF DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO THERE'S A LOT OF WORK BEING DONE, UM, TO ACQUIRE AND MAKE THESE, UH, OPEN SPACES. 
          UM, THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IS OFFERING A NINE MONTH LEADERSHIP TRAINING COURSE STARTING ON THIS WEDNESDAY, AND I DECIDED I'M GONNA BE JOINING THE, THE CLASS OF 20 STUDENTS. 
          SO I'LL BE MEETING LOTS OF FOLKS MEETING OVER THE NEXT NINE MONTHS, UH, TO DO THAT. 
          UM, NEXT MONTH I WILL BE ATTENDING A MICRO MOBILITY CONFERENCE FOR THE UNITED STATES. 
          THAT'S GONNA BE DOWN IN ALAMEDA, FORTUNATELY, NICE AND LOCAL. 
          SO I'LL BE ABLE TO BRING BACK INFORMATION ON WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE MICRO MOBILITY WORLD THAT'S WORLDWIDE. 
          UH, UH, MANY COUNTRIES ARE WAY AHEAD OF US IN THIS, UM, VENTURE. 
          ANOTHER THING I ATTENDED WAS AN INROADS HAS A CLIMATE CHANGE SIMULATION MODEL, WHICH I'VE BEEN TRAINED AS A FACILITATOR TO GIVE ADDITIONAL TRAINING. 
          AND I ATTENDED AND LEARNED THAT THERE'S A NEW SIMULATION MODEL CALLED PROBABLE FUTURES MODEL. 
          AND THIS LOOKS AT THE, UM, GLOBAL LAND USE POLICIES AND IMPACTS, UH, ESPECIALLY AROUND CLIMATE CHANGE. 
          AND THE CURRENT MODELING EXERCISE WAS FOCUSED ON GLOBAL TREE PLANTING. 
          THE TREES PROVIDED, UH, MANY BENEFITS IN BOTH NATURAL AND URBAN SETTINGS, BUT DO NOT, ACCORDING TO THE MODEL, GIVE US A LARGE BOOST IN CARBON CAPTURE TO SLOW CLIMATE CHANGE. 
          SO TREES ALONE WILL NOT DO THE JOB. 
          UM, THIS IS BECAUSE, UM, THERE'S SOME, UH, PROPONENTS THAT ARE SAYING, OH, WE JUST NEED TO PLANT TREES. 
          THAT'S ALL WE NEED TO DO. 
          IT'S NOT GONNA BE THE CASE. 
          UM, THEY DO PROVIDE LOCAL COOLING, UH, AND WILL HELP MITIGATE INCREASED HEAT. 
          SO THEY REALLY ARE NEEDED IN THE URBAN ENVIRONMENT AND FOR, FOR MULTIPLE REASONS. 
          UM, AND WE DO NEED TO LOOK AT OTHER ALL THE CHANGES WE NEED TO MAKE, NOT JUST TREES. 
          SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME OUTTA THAT, UH, WORKSHOP IN ANOTHER AREA. 
          UM, I DID, UH, GO TO A SEMINAR ON ADUS PUT ON BY, UH, KNOW BEFORE YOU GROW. 
          AND OF THAT, UM, THERE WAS OVER 150 BACKYARD ADUS HAVE BEEN BUILT IN THE LAST FEW YEARS. 
          UH, ZONING ALLOWS SPLITTING OF PROPERTIES. 
          YOU GET FOUR SEPARATE DWELLINGS ON A SINGLE, UH, OR SINGLE HOUSES NOW, AND THAT 80% OF THE ADU ARE BEING BUILT FOR FAMILY MEMBERS CREATING MULTI-GENERATIONAL GENERATIONAL HOUSING. 
          SO I GOT MOTIVATED AND, UH, THEN SPENT OVER 60 HOURS DOING RESEARCH IN ADUS. 
          SO I JUST WANNA PRESENT, HOPEFULLY A SHORT, UH, FIVE MINUTE SUMMARY OF 50 HOURS OF WORK HERE. 
          BUT, UH, LET ME GO AHEAD AND JUST, JUST READ THROUGH THIS, UH, READ A SHORT REPORT. 
          SO I DID RESEARCH INTO ADUS TO NOT 
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ONLY INVESTIGATE PERSONAL OPTIONS, BUT ALSO TO EVALUATE OUR CITY SYSTEM OF SUPPORT FOR ADUS AND LOOK FOR OPTIONS FOR THE FUTURE PETALUMA, UH, PEOPLE'S VILLAGE. 
          OUR, UM, HOUSING ELEMENT REQUIRES, UM, REQUIREMENTS WILL DEPEND ON A LARGE NUMBER OF ADUS BEING BUILT FROM PETALUMA AND A D U OR J A D U, UH, WILL BE THE ONLY WAY THAT MANY OF US WILL HELP OUR ADULT CHILDREN OR AGING PARENTS TO HAVE THEIR OWN PRIVATE DWELLING HERE IN PETALUMA AND HAVE THEM CLOSE BY. 
          THESE UNITS ALSO HAVE POTENTIAL FOR OUR HOMELESS POPULATION. 
          SIMILAR TO OUR PEOPLE'S VILLAGE, I CREATED MULTIPLE OPTIONS FOR MY PROPERTY AND FOUND AND TO LOOK FOR LIMITS OPPORTUNITIES TO KIND OF EVALUATE THE SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE HERE IN THE CITY. 
          UH, SO THIS IS WHAT I FOUND, UH, THE CITY PERMIT OFFICE, WHICH IS MANNED BY THE M GROUP, WAS VERY HELPFUL. 
          I WAS ABLE TO GET FREE INTERVIEWS, UH, WHICH WAS GIVEN TO EVERYBODY TO DISCUSS MY OPTIONS, NARROWED DOWN THE POSSIBILITIES, AND KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHAT THE VARIOUS CONSTRAINTS WERE, SAFETY, PHYSICAL, AND LEGAL. 
          SO THAT WAS A REALLY NICE OPPORTUNITY, ALL DELIVERED, UH, UH, THE FIRST TIME. 
          OR, UM, YOU CAN GO IN THERE AND GET SOME FREE ADVICE TO LEAST GET YOU STARTED. 
          I THEN WAS SENT OVER TO THE NAPA, SONOMA, A D U, WHICH IS A NON-PROFIT CONSULTING FIRM SUPPORTED BY THE CITY, WHICH ALSO GAVE ME A FREE INTERVIEW. 
          AND, UM, AND, AND SOON I'M GONNA GET ACTUALLY A FREE FULL REPORT WITH ANALYSIS AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR MY SITE, BUT HAD WONDERFUL CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM. 
          THEY WERE EXTREMELY HELPFUL TO DO THAT, AND I HIGHLY RECOMMEND ANYBODY GO INTO THIS PROCESS, TALK TO THEM FIRST. 
          THEY HAVE A LARGE PALLET OF PRE-APPROVED DETACHED HOUSES THAT COULD BE PUT IN THE BACKYARD, ANYWHERE FROM 200 TO 1200 SQUARE FOOT. 
          AND THERE ARE SEVERAL PREFAB AND MANUFACTURED OPTIONS THAT PROVIDE COST SAVINGS. 
          COSTS STILL RUN $407 PER SQUARE FOOT, BUT A BIT MORE THAN TRACT HOMES. 
          SINCE ADUS ARE DENSE AND COMPACT STRUCTURES, I FOUND OUT THAT THERE'S A TINY LIVING COMMUNITY THAT IS WORLDWIDE, UM, AND HAS A HUGE MEDIA PRESENCE. 
          AND SO AS IT'S HAPPENING ALL OVER THE PLACE, AND THERE'S EVEN GONNA BE A TWO, UH, TWO DAY CONFERENCE AT THE END OF THIS MONTH, I'M GONNA BE ATTENDING THAT. 
          UM, THERE ARE SEVERAL OUTDOOR VENDORS IN CALIFORNIA AND OR THAT THEY CAN SHIP TO CALIFORNIA, UM, ALREADY, UH, PREFABRICATED UNITS, UM, AND WITH LOTS OF DIFFERENT DWELLING OPTIONS. 
          AND THESE INCLUDE YURTS, GEODESIC DOMES, SHEDS AND SHIPPING CONTAINERS, UM, WHICH ARE BEING USED, UM, BUT WOULD BE EXTREMELY DIFFICULT. 
          I FOUND OUT TO GET THROUGH THE BUILDING AND SAFETY CODES WITHIN OUR CITY LIMITS. 
          UH, THAT'S FOR PERMANENT HOUSING. 
          TEMPORARY HOUSING. 
          THESE THINGS WOULD BE ALLOWED, BUT MANY PEOPLE ARE USING THESE IN THE RURAL AREAS. 
          I FOUND OUT HERE IN SONOMA COUNTY, I FOUND OUT THAT J ADUS THAT ARE IN-HOUSE AND ALSO GARAGE CONVERSIONS ARE BEING DONE WITH LESS RED TAPE AND FEES THAN BEFORE. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S A, UH, BETTER CHANCE OF DOING IT NOW THAN IT WAS THERE. 
          IF YOU WANNA TRY GOING AGAIN, IF YOU DIDN'T LIKE IT THE FIRST TIME YOU WENT THROUGH IT OR TRIED TO DO IT. 
          UM, BUT THEY DO REQUIRE ENGINEERING AND DESIGN APPROVALS FOR SAFETY. 
          SO THAT'S THE MAIN CONCERN THERE. 
          THESE JADU THAT CAN ADD VALUE TO THE HOUSE, ESPECIALLY FOR MULTI-GENERATIONAL LIVING NOW BECOMING MORE POPULAR THROUGHOUT OUR WHOLE CITY. 
          THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS FOR USING THESE AS SHORT-TERM VACATION RENTALS AND SELLING THEM AS SEPARATE UNITS FOR THE MAIN HOUSE. 
          SO THERE'S SOME DIFFERENT RESTRICTIONS THERE VERSUS AN, UM, DETACHED A D U. 
          MY CONCLUSION, UH, FROM ALL THIS WORK IS THAT THE, UH, UH, UH, PREFAB BACKYARD ATTACHED OR DETACHED ADUS ARE THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE WITH FUTURE OPTIONS CAN BE BUILT IN A SMALL SPACE AND A SHORT TIMEFRAME IN OUR CITY SYSTEM IS BEING VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO, SO WE'RE MOVING FORWARD. 
          IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S REALLY GOOD THAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE DOING, THE MODEL THAT WE'RE SETTING UP PROCEDURES IS SETTING UP. 
          IT SEEMS TO BE WORKING. 
          UH, ONE ESTIMATE. 
          I HEARD THAT WE COULD BUILD ABOUT 500 OF THESE IN JUST THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS, UH, WHICH HELPS FULFILL OUR HOUSING ELEMENT REQUIREMENTS. 
          THESE, THERE ARE PREFAB MANUFACTURERS WHO ARE DESIGNING SPECIFICALLY FOR PEOPLE VILLAGES THAT I WAS ABLE TO, UH, LOOK AT THEIR WEBSITES AND, AND EVEN CALL IN. 
          AND THERE'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND THESE ARE MANUFACTURED HOUSES AND STACKABLE CUBES AND MORE INTERESTING CERAMIC GEO GEODESIC DOMES USING NATURAL MATERIALS ARE IN PROCESS. 
          NEW COMPANIES TRYING TO DEVELOP THAT SPECIFICALLY FOR, UH, PEOPLE VILLAGES SITUATIONS. 
          SO, UH, FUTURE LOOKS PROMISING. 
          SO THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY REPORT OF THE WORK I'VE DONE THIS LAST MONTH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, AND, UM, I GUESS I, I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING SUCH FOCUS TO THE AFFORDABLE CRISIS IN OUR COMMUNITY, THE AVAILABILITY CRISIS IN OUR COUNTY. 
          UH, AND, UM, I THINK THERE'S, ROUNDING OUT THAT TOPIC, UM, YOU CERTAIN YOU SAW IN THE RESEARCH, YOU'VE SEEN IN THE, UH, URBAN CHAT CONTENT THAT WHEN COMMUNITIES HAVE NEW HOUSING RENTS DROP, THE BERKELEY STUDY THAT JUST WENT 
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THROUGH WHEN THEY BUILT WITH, UM, MODULAR HOUSING. 
          AND, UH, I THINK WE HAVE TO GET A GRIPS ON OUR PEOPLE'S ABILITIES TO AFFORD TO CONTINUE TO LIVE HERE OR FOR THEIR CHILDREN TO LIVE HERE. 
          AND PRODUCTION OF HOUSING, ADDING HOUSING IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'LL PUT A, A RENT A, UH, UM, A RENT STABILIZATION IN FACT. 
          WHEREAS WHERE WE, WHERE WE ARE TODAY IS CONTINUING TO SEE THOSE HIGH RENTS RISE. 
          SO THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT FOCUS ON AFFORDABILITY AND AVAILABILITY IN OUR HOUSING CRISIS. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER . 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UM, YEAH, SO LET'S MOVE ON TO, UH, THE HOMELESS SITUATION HERE. 
          I'M, UH, OUR, OUR REPRESENTATIVE ON THE CONTINUUM OF CARE BOARD AND THE, UH, UH, FINAL, UH, POINT IN TIME COUNT RESULTS WERE, UH, RELEASED, UM, DURING THIS PAST MONTH SINCE LAST MEETING. 
          UM, THE BIG NEWS, I SUPPOSE, AND, AND THIS HAS OF COURSE BEEN IN THE NEWSPAPERS, BUT, UH, JUST TO REVIEW, FOR THOSE WHO AREN'T FAMILIAR, UH, WE'VE HAD A 22% DECREASE IN, UH, UM, YEAR OVER YEAR FROM LAST YEAR TO THIS YEAR FROM 22 TO 23. 
          IT'S THE LARGEST DECREASE SINCE 2015, AND THE LOWEST OVERALL COUNT SINCE 2009. 
          UM, WE, UH, ALSO HAVE A, A 38 PER EVEN LARGER, A 38% DECREASE IN THE UNSHELTERED HO HOMELESS COM, UH, POPULATION. 
          THIS, THIS INCLUDES THE FOLKS WHO, UH, WHO, UH, HAVE NOWHERE TO STAY ON THE NIGHT OF THAT COUNT. 
          UM, UM, BEYOND THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE QUESTION GETS ASKED AS TO WHY, UM, UM, THINGS, UH, HAVE IMPROVED SO MUCH. 
          AND, UH, I THINK, UH, PART OF, UH, THE REASON IS, UH, SEVERAL, UM, ITEMS THAT THE CONTINUUM OF CARE AND THE COUNTY AND THE CITY HERE HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN, SUCH AS, UH, FOCUSING ON PREVENTION, UH, OF HOMELESSNESS AND RETENTION OF HOUSING, FOCUSING ON INCREASING THE NUMBER OF BEDS, 14% IN THE LAST YEAR. 
          BUT OUR, OUR GOALS IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN FOR SONOMA COUNTY INCLUDE INCREASING THE NUMBER OF PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING UNITS BY 200 PER YEAR FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. 
          AND I THINK, UH, I'M FAIRLY COMFORTABLE WE'RE GOING TO EASILY MAKE THAT NUMBER THIS YEAR AND ALSO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF, UH, UH, EMERGENCY NON CONGREGATE SHELTER AND, AND TRANSITIONAL HOUSING UNITS BY A HUNDRED PER YEAR. 
          AND, UH, WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE, UH, IN THE PAST YEAR, ACTUALLY, IF, IF WE GO, UH, FOR THE PHYSICAL YEAR 23. 
          UM, AND WE'RE GONNA DO THAT AGAIN THIS FIRST YEAR. 
          SO WE JUST NEED TO KEEP UP SOME OF THAT WORK. 
          UM, FINALLY, UM, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER REBS MENTIONED, UH, MICROT TRANSIT OR MICRO MOBILITY AND, UH, OUR TRANSIT COMMISSION ADVISORY COMMISSION IS WORKING, UH, AND BEGUN TO HAVE MEETINGS OF A SUBCOMMITTEE, UH, LOOKING AT A MICRO TRANSIT, UM, UH, PROJECT FOR, UH, FOR PETALUMA DEMONSTRATION PROJECT. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER PO. 
          OKAY. 
          YOUR WORK ON THE CONTINUUM OF CARE, THAT LEADERSHIP AT THE REGIONAL EFFORT IS JUST MAKING HUGE IMPACT FOR PETALUMA. 
          THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER NOW. 
          UM, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          UM, IN THE PAST MONTH, UM, OUR LOCAL AIRPORT HAS, UM, HAD A VERY SUCCESSFUL DISPLAY DAY AND THE OPENING OF OUR TWO NINER DINER, WHICH IS OPEN FOR, UH, BREAKFAST AND LUNCH TUESDAY THROUGH SUNDAY. 
          AND THIS SATURDAY WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER DISPLAY DAY OUT AT THE AIRPORT. 
          THESE ARE FREE TO THE PUBLIC, AND YOU GET TO GO OUT THERE AND TALK TO THE PILOTS, LOOK AT THE AIRPLANES, AND ADMIRE OUR WONDERFUL LOCAL AIRPORT, WHICH IS A DESTINATION AIRPORT. 
          AND I'M VERY EXCITED TO BE ON THE AIRPORT COMMITTEE. 
          UM, THE, A HOC COMMITTEE FOR THE AIRPORT IS WORKING VERY HARD ON OUR LOCAL HANGERS AND WHAT THE RENT COSTS IS FOR THESE HANGERS. 
          RIGHT NOW. 
          I THINK WE HAVE A VERY SHORT WAITING LIST AND ALL THE HANGERS ARE FULL, BUT WE WANNA BE COMPARABLE TO OUR OTHER CITIES. 
          AND WE ALSO WANNA HAVE AVAILABILITY. 
          SO WE ARE LOOKING INTO WHAT WE NEED IN THE FUTURE AT OUR AIRPORT. 
          WE ALSO HAVE A SITUATION WITH NEEDING GATE ACCESS TO SOME OF OUR NON TENANTS FOR SOME OF THE ULTRA LIGHTS. 
          SO THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED AND LOOKED INTO THROUGH OUR AD HOC COMMITTEE AT THE AIRPORT AND OUR PROCEDURES FOR, UM, THESE KIND OF REQUESTS. 
          AND I MENTIONED THAT THEY MIGHT INVOLVE THE CITY ATTORNEY, MR. DANLEY, UH,  BECAUSE IT'S A PRETTY MUCH PROTOCOL THAT YOU CAN'T JUST 
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HAVE ACCESS TO AIRPORTS ANYMORE AFTER NINE 11. 
          UM, IN PETALUMA, WE HAVE OUR OWN ASTRONAUT NATIVE, NICOLE MANN WILL BE HERE NEXT WEEK. 
          UM, SHE'LL BE AT THE WOMEN'S CLUB SPEAKING AND SHE'LL BE AT THE GREEN MUSIC CENTER THE FOLLOWING DAY. 
          AND OUR PARKS AND RECS COMMITTEE HAS HAD A VERY DIFFICULT DECISION, UM, WHETHER TO KEEP OUR NATURAL TURF OR USE ASTROTURF IN THE FUTURE AT OUR PLAYING FIELDS. 
          SO THAT WAS A VERY CONTROVERSIAL, UM, CONVERSATION WE HAD AT OUR LAST MEETING, AND I BELIEVE IT MIGHT COME TO COUNCIL. 
          UM, BUT IT WAS VERY, UM, PASSIONATE BY ALL THE SPEAKERS AND IT IS VERY MUCH, UM, ON THE MINDS OF WHAT WE WANT TO HAVE AS A CITY FOR OUR CHILDREN TO PLAY ON. 
          UM, THE PARKS ARE IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE RIGHT NOW. 
          I'VE BEEN TO ALMOST EVERY ONE OF 'EM WITH MY SEVEN GRANDCHILDREN, THANKS TO MEASURE M MONEY. 
          BUT WE HAVE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH THE DROUGHT AND, UM, IRRIGATION, AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET IT ALL UP TO, UM, DATE AS FAR AS WATERING OUR, UM, LANDSCAPING OUT THERE. 
          AND OUR OUTSOURCE LANDSCAPERS ARE VERY BUSY TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH THE WEEDS THAT MOTHER NATURE IS PROVIDING US. 
          AND WE'RE NOT USING HERBICIDES, WE'RE TRYING TO USE A NATURAL PESTICIDE TO, AND, UM, HERBICIDE TO GET RID OF THESE WEEDS. 
          UM, OUR PARKS ARE GETTING A LOT OF USE THIS SUMMER, AND I JUST WANT TO REMIND PEOPLE TO USE THE ENGAGE PETALUMA APP. 
          UM, WHEN I GO TO A PARK AND I SEE A DRINKY FOUNTAIN, UM, FLOODING ONTO THE SIDEWALK, I CAN TAKE A PHOTOGRAPH AND I CAN UPLOAD IT IMMEDIATELY TO OUR CITY STAFF. 
          PLEASE USE OUR APP INSTEAD OF GOING ON NEXT DOOR AND COMPLAINING ABOUT THE SITUATION. 
          BECAUSE OUR STAFF IS NOT MONITORING NEXT DOOR, BUT THEY ARE LOOKING AT THE APP 24 7. 
          UM, THE GARBAGE IS OVERFLOWING IN THE PARKS. 
          WE MIGHT WANNA THINK ABOUT PICKING UP AND TAKING SOME OF THAT GARBAGE HOME WITH US WHEN WE FINISH USING THE PARKS. 
          UM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN ALSO PUT ON OUR APP. 
          UM, THE STAFF WILL SHOW UP TO FIX ANY SITUATION COMING UP ON FRIDAY IS OUR MOVIES IN THE PARK. 
          IT'LL BE SHOWING TOP GUN MAVERICK AT 7:00 PM AT LUKE KII PARK PARK. 
          AND OUR FALL ACTIVITY GUARD IS OUT. 
          CLASSES ARE FILLING UP FAST. 
          UM, IT HAS A SCHEDULE FOR OUR TINY TOTS PRESCHOOL, WHICH IS, UM, RUN AT THE LUCCHESE CENTER. 
          IT'S AN EXCELLENT PROGRAM. 
          AND OUR SENIOR CENTER PROGRAM, I WOULD ADVOCATE THAT WE THINK ABOUT OPENING UP THE SENIOR CENTER PROGRAMS ON FRIDAYS. 
          'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY. 
          UM, AND PICKLEBALL CLASSES ARE VERY POPULAR. 
          THAT'S ALL. 
          MR. MAYOR, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, NOT TO, UM, UH, PICK A TWO FINE A POINT, BUT, UM, THE, UH, TERM ASTROTURF IS, UM, UM, VERY OUTDATED AND SOMEWHAT TRIGGER SOME, I MEAN, IT HASN'T BEEN A PRODUCT IN USE SINCE THE ASTRODOME WAS BUILT. 
          , AND SO, SORRY. 
          UM, THE MODERN PRODUCTS ARE VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE PEJORATIVE NATURE THAT COMES WITH LANGUAGE, AND WE ARE TRYING TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE LANGUAGE. 
          SO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THAT'S NOT THE ACTUAL PRODUCT. 
          ARTIFICIAL TURF IS SYNTHETIC. 
          SYNTHETIC, CORRECT. 
          SYNTHETIC. 
          I, I, UM, WILL IN THE FUTURE USE SYNTHETIC TURF INSTEAD OF ASTROTURF. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'M OLD SCHOOL, RIGHT? SO MANY OF US ARE IN SO MANY WAYS, BUT, UH, WE, WE TRY AND BE MODERN. 
          NOW LET'S PASS TO, UM, VICE MAYOR CATER THOMPSON. 
          I'M SURE I'LL BE QUICK. 
          UM, I, TODAY I HAD A MARATHON S SONOMA COUNTY TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY MEETING. 
          WE STARTED AT 10 O'CLOCK AND ENDED AT FIVE, AND WE HAD, UM, TWO DIFFERENT SUBJECTS. 
          THE AFTERNOON WAS THE MEETING, AND SO WE APPROVED MOVING FORWARD, UM, PROJECTS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY TO GO UP TO M T C AND FOR BASICALLY FUNDING, UH, APPROVAL AND FUNDING. 
          SO THAT WAS GOOD. 
          AND PETALUMA HAD A LOT OF, UM, PROJECTS ON THE LIST, SO THAT WAS EVEN BETTER. 
          UM, I WAS A FEW WEEKS AGO IN SACRAMENTO WITH COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY, UM, FOR THE LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES. 
          IT'S CALLED LOBBY DAY. 
          WE MET WITH SENATOR MCGUIRE, SENATOR DOT ASSEMBLYMAN, UM, DAMON CONLEY. 
          AND, UM, WHO DO WE ELSE DO WE MEET WITH? UH, CURRY AT YA. 
          CURRY, YEAH. 
          AND SHE'S, UM, FANTASTIC. 
          SHE'S IN THE SACRAMENTO AREA OR DAVIS AREA. 
          UM, ANOTHER THING IS, UM, UH, ROBERT ANELLO WITH THE RIP CITY RIDERS. 
          I ACTUALLY DO A, A RADIO 
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SHOW CALLED INSIDE PETALUMA ON THE LOCAL ACCESS, UM, CHANNEL. 
          AND, UM, AND HE'S GONNA BE OUR GUEST, SO WE'LL LEARN MORE ABOUT WHAT THEY DO. 
          BUT I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT THEY DO FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THE POLY CLASS CENTER. 
          IT'S A, IT'S GREAT. 
          UM, I DO, I WENT TO A RETREAT THIS WEEKEND AND IT WAS WITH PEOPLE THAT HAVE, UM, HAD ISSUES WITH HATE CRIMES IN THEIR CITIES, CITY COUNCILS AND SCHOOL BOARDS. 
          AND THEY DID TALK ABOUT ZOOM AND REALLY TALKING ABOUT NOT CONTINUING WITH ZOOM BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENS ON THOSE ZOOMS, BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL, YOU KNOW, HIDE BEHIND THE CAMERA. 
          AND THEN SOMETIMES PEOPLE COME INTO THE CHAMBERS AND WHAT HAPPENED, UM, AND, AND WHAT IS SAID ABOUT THESE PEOPLE, I CAN'T EVEN REPEAT, IT'S SO, SO BAD. 
          UM, THEY'RE, IT'S, UM, IT'S, IT'S REALLY SAD WHERE OUR COUNTRY IS TODAY. 
          UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I DO HAVE QUESTIONS NOW, YOU KNOW, ABOUT ZOOM AND JUST CONTINUING WITH EVERY, UM, COMMITTEE MEETING. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO REALLY BE THOUGHTFUL OF IT, UM, BECAUSE MAYBE IT, IT HASN'T HAPPENED HERE, BUT IT CERTAINLY HAS HAPPENED IN SANTA ROSA WITH THE SCHOOL BOARDS. 
          AND SO WE NEED TO BE MORE THOUGHTFUL ON THAT. 
          UM, ANOTHER THING IS NEXT, WELL, 22 WEEKS, WE'RE GOING TO SACRAMENTO AGAIN FOR A CONFERENCE. 
          AND THAT IT'S ALWAYS GOOD, YOU KNOW, TO GET UPDATED WHAT'S GOING ON AND JUST LISTENING. 
          BUT THERE'S ALSO A GROUP THAT'S GONNA BE, UM, SPEAKING ABOUT, UM, HATE SPEECH AND, UM, MORE DETAILS ON THAT. 
          AND IT'S, IT SHOULD BE, UM, EDUCATIONAL. 
          UM, AS FAR AS, UM,  KAREN, UH, UH, I'M NOT A GREAT-GRANDMOTHER. 
          I WILL NOT ALLOW MY GRANDCHILDREN OR ANYBODY IN MY CAR WITH ANYTHING BUT WATER . 
          SO I ADMIRE YOU. 
          AND THE OTHER DAY I WAS GOING TO HOWARD STREET, BUYING A DOZEN EGGS FROM MY GRANDSON, $7 A DOZEN. 
          AND SO I GAVE HIM A 10. 
          AND OF COURSE HE DIDN'T HAVE CHANGE, SO COST ME 10 BUCKS OF DOZEN. 
          AND THEN MR CAME BY AND HE BOUGHT  A DOZEN EGGS. 
          WELL, HE ONLY HAD A 10. 
          WELL, IT ACTUALLY COST ME $13 FOR ONE DOZEN EGGS 'CAUSE HE HAD TO GET HIS CHANGE AND IT CAME FROM ME. 
          UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, UM, REALLY FUN WATCHING YOUR GRANDCHILDREN WHEN THEY'RE ACTUALLY GETTING INTO AGRICULTURE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY AND JUST HOW DIFFERENT THE KIDS ARE. 
          AND HE MADE THIS CUTE LITTLE STAND, AND HE HOLDS HIS CHICKEN AS HE SITS IN HIS FRONT YARD, . 
          SO IT'S, UH, IT'S FUN TO SEE, UM, SOME OF MY HISTORY, WHICH I WAS IN ON AN EGG, RAISED ON AN EGG FARM ON BOTH SIDES OF MY FAMILY. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT TRADITION IS CONTINUING ON. 
          AND WITH THAT, I, UM, THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE. 
          I THINK I SEE MY NEIGHBOR IN THE, IN THE AUDIENCE. 
          AND I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW, I HAVE STOPPED BY YOUR, YOUR HOUSE A FEW TIMES AND YOU HAVEN'T BEEN THERE, . 
          SO WE'LL CONNECT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR EFFORTS TO GET THE, UH, PROCLAMATION FOR OUR ASTRONAUTS TO, TO THE, UH, HIGH SCHOOL. 
          UH, YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          AND THAT'LL BE A VERY GOOD DAY AS, UH, THE 20TH, I BELIEVE IT IS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I'LL BE THERE ALONG WITH YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          AND COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          JUST BRIEFLY, UM, AS, UH, THE VICE MAYOR INDICATED, SHE AND I WERE BOTH IN SACRAMENTO AND AUGUST THE 23RD WITH CAL CITIES, UM, WITH THE EXECUTIVE BOARD OF THE NORTH BAY DIVISION, THE FOURTH FOR NORTH BAY COUNTIES. 
          AND WE WERE ABLE TO MEET WITH TWO SENATORS AND THREE ASSEMBLY MEMBERS AND THEIR STAFFS. 
          UM, AND IT WAS VERY PRODUCTIVE. 
          THIS NORMALLY HAPPENS IN MARCH, UM, BUT IT WAS ACTUALLY KIND OF BETTER, I THINK, TO DO AT THIS TIME OF YEAR BECAUSE THERE'S A FEW NUM, MUCH FEWER NUMBER OF BILLS THAT ARE STILL ALIVE. 
          AND WE COULD FOCUS ON A HANDFUL OF THINGS. 
          WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT ACA ONE, ACA 13, AND SSB 5 26, WHICH ALL WERE VERY MUCH STILL IN PLAY. 
          AND WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT ONE OF THOSE IN A FEW MINUTES. 
          UM, AND THEN, UM, AS THE COUNCIL KNOWS, I'M ALSO ON THE, UH, CAL CITIES BOARD, UM, WORKING GROUP ON THE CALIFORNIA BUSINESS ROUNDTABLE, UM, INITIATIVE FOR NEXT KNOCK NEXT NOVEMBER. 
          THAT GROUP WILL, UM, MEET BY ZOOM AGAIN THIS FRIDAY, SO I CAN REPORT BACK ON THAT ON MONDAY. 
          AND, AND THE LAST THING KIND OF FALLS A LITTLE BIT OUT OF THE NORMAL, UM, UH, LIAISON REPORT, BUT, UM, MY WIFE AND I WERE ABLE TO GET OUR HOUSE BOLTED DOWN TO OUR FOUNDATION LAST MONTH, PARTICIPATING IN THE CAL STATE OF CALIFORNIA, UH, EARTHQUAKE BRACE AND BOLT PROGRAM, WHICH GIVES A $3,000 SUBSIDY, UM, UH, WHICH IS VERY HELPFUL AND, BUT IT'S A LITTLE BIT COMPLEX TO NAVIGATE THROUGH THIS WHOLE THING. 
          UM, BUT IF, IF YOU'RE, UH, AMONG THE GROUP OF FOLKS WHO ACTUALLY GET EARTHQUAKE INSURANCE EVERY YEAR, UM, AND WE ARE, UM, 
          [01:40:01]
THIS ENTITLES YOU TO A 25% ANNUAL DISCOUNT MOVING FORWARD. 
          SO IT'S, WHEN YOU SEE THE WORK THAT WAS DONE, IT'S PRETTY IMPRESSIVE. 
          AND SO I JUST PUT THIS OUT THERE TO THE COMMUNITY THAT IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED IN THIS, AS I SAY, IT'S A BIT COMPLEX TO NAVIGATE, BUT FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT TO ME AND I'LL TELL YOU HOW TO GET THERE. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          UM, I THINK THE, THE EVENT WITH NICOLE MANN IS ON THE 19TH AT 1210, SO NOT THE 20TH. 
          JUST WANTED TO CORRECT THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I, I DEFINITELY SUPPORT ZOOM, BUT I'VE ACTUALLY ON ANOTHER BOARD ON THE BAY AREA AIR QUALITY MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. 
          I'VE EXPERIENCED, UM, MULTIPLE EXPERIENCES OF HATE SPEECH, AND WE'RE ACTUALLY REWRITING THE ADMIN CODE RIGHT NOW, UM, TO GIVE US THE ABILITY TO, TO STOP IT IN THE FUTURE. 
          SO, UM, IT IS SOMETHING TO WATCH FOR, BUT I'M, I'M GLAD WE HAVEN'T HAD IT HERE. 
          UM, THE PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE ADVISORY COMMITTEE MET, WE REVIEWED THE SCANNELL PRODUCT OR PROJECT OR, UM, AND GAVE SOME FEEDBACK ON THAT, ON THE PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE AMENITIES. 
          UM, WE ALSO DISCUSSED OUR ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN, WHICH IS ON ABOUT A FOUR MONTH WINDOW TO, UM, GET TO, UH, AT LEAST A DRAFT PRODUCT THAT, UM, WILL BE BEFORE THE COUNCIL AND THE, AND THE COMMITTEE. 
          UM, AS I MENTIONED, THE BAY AREA AIR QUALITY MAN, UH, MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. 
          I'VE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH THEM. 
          UM, AND LARGELY BECAUSE I'M ON THE, UH, ADMIN AND FINANCE COMMITTEE. 
          WE'VE BEEN KNEE DEEP IN, UM, UPDATING THE ADMIN CODE. 
          UM, ALSO WAS UP AT THE NORTH BAY LABOR COUNCIL FOR LABOR DAY, UM, HAD A GREAT BREAKFAST AND GOT A CHANCE TO MEET, UM, WITH, UH, ELECTEDS AND, UM, AND WORKERS FROM ACROSS SONOMA AND MARIN COUNTY. 
          UM, AND, UH, WE HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING TONIGHT, BUT I JUST WANT TO GIVE, UM, YOU KNOW, REMEMBER, UH, JOHN JACKSON, JJ, THE SPORTS EDITOR FROM PETALUMA, HE, UM, SERVED OUR COMMUNITY FOR, UM, A LONG, LONG TIME. 
          AND, UH, HE PASSED AWAY RECENTLY SUDDENLY. 
          AND, UM, JUST MY THOUGHTS AND, UH, EVERYTHING GO OUT TO HIS FAMILY AND EVERYBODY LOVED HIM. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UM, YEAH, I THINK THAT IS AN IMPORTANT THING TO BRING UP. 
          UM, SO MANY PEOPLE WHO MAKE OUR COMMUNITY HAPPEN. 
          UH, EARLIER WE SPOKE ABOUT, UH, NINE 11, UH, TRAGEDY AND, AND ALL THOSE WHO WERE IMPACTED. 
          BUT SO MANY PEOPLE WORK IN OUR COMMUNITY TO MAKE THINGS HAPPEN. 
          I WANTED TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO OUR FIREFIGHTERS WHO ATTENDED FIRES IN, UH, THE OREGON BORDER. 
          YOU KNOW, WE RES, YOU KNOW, EACH CITY RESPONDS TO HELP OTHER CITIES, BUT IT'S ALL ABOUT COMMUNITY. 
          AND, UH, JOHN JACKSON CERTAINLY, UM, HELPED WITH THAT. 
          AND, UM, AND, UH, I RAN INTO HIM QUITE A BIT AS A YOUTH SOCCER REP. 
          HE, THERE WASN'T AN ARTICLE WE COULDN'T SEND IN THAT HE COULDN'T PRINT, UH, MORE KIDS' NAMES IN THE NEWSPAPER. 
          AND THAT WAS THE REAL TREE TO LIVING IN A SMALL TOWN WITH A SMALL TOWN NEWSPAPER. 
          BUT SADLY, NOT ONLY DID WE LOSE JOHN, BUT WE'VE LOST, UH, KEVIN KELLY, ONE OF OUR PLANNING COMMISSIONERS IN THIS IN THE PAST MONTH. 
          AND WE'VE LOST EVELYN PETRONE, WHO, UH, NOT ONLY, UH, WAS, UH, DELICATESSEN OWNER HERE, BUT A ROBUST MEMBER OF OUR PETALUMA GARDENS CLUB AND VOLUNTEER AT THE MUSEUM TRYING TO KEEP PETALUMA HERITAGE ALIVE. 
          SO, I'D LIKE TO BE CLOSING TONIGHT'S MEETING IN HONOR OF JOHN JACKSON, KEVIN KELLY AND EVELYN PATONI. 
          UM, LET'S SEE. 
          WE'VE MENTIONED THE BOUNTY FARMS. THE, UH, IN ANOTHER EFFORT TO STAY ALIVE, A COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, AND HELP PETALUMA STAY ALIVE, COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, NOW, AND I, AND I BELIEVE RIBS WERE ALL AT A DEFIBRILLATOR INSTALLATION AT ONE AT, UH, THAT ROTARY DID FOR US AT OUR LEGHORNS PARK. 
          AND HOPEFULLY THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE TO ADD MORE PARKS FOR THOSE WHO HAVE EMERGENCIES. 
          THE STORIES OF PEOPLE NEEDING THAT AND LIVING BECAUSE THAT'S THERE ARE, ARE, UM, ROBUST. 
          UH, SEVERAL OF US ALSO ATTENDED ELECTRIFY PETALUMA, A CITY SPONSORED, UH, EVENT IN COLLABORATION WITH COOL PETALUMA THAT HAD ENGAGED DIALOGUE WITH CONTRACTORS ABOUT THE HURDLE AND CHALLENGES OF GETTING INTO A GAS FREE FUTURE. 
          AND, UM, WE ALSO, UM, SEVERAL OF US HAVE THIS VISITED, UH, OUR, UH, GOAT WRANGLERS NOW, UH, OUR WEED ABATEMENT PROGRAMS. AND IF YOU'VE BEEN TO ANY OF OUR LOCAL PARKS, THEY'VE NEVER LOOKED SO GOOD BECAUSE WE HAVE GOATS CUTTING THE GRASS NOW. 
          SO, UM, I WANTED TO BRING THAT, THAT UP. 
          AND, UM, UH, THOSE WERE THE HIGHLIGHTS OF, UH, THE PAST FEW WEEKS FOR ME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO LET'S MOVE 
          [CITY MANAGER COMMENT]
OVER TO OUR CITY MANAGER AND, UH, WELCOME HER BACK IN HER COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          I'LL KEEP IT UNDER 90 SECONDS. 
          UM, WANTED TO, 
          [01:45:01]
UH, GIVE A SHOT OUT TO OUR STAFF AND OUR PARTNERS AT SMART AND AT DANCO. 
          WE, UH, JUST RECENTLY FOUND OUT THAT THE CITY WAS, UH, SUCCESSFUL IN SECURING A $30.2 MILLION GRANT THROUGH THE STRATEGIC GROWTH COUNCIL FOR, UM, THE, UH, THE BUILDING OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UM, AT OUR, WHAT WILL BE OUR NEW NORTH, UM, SMART STATION, UM, AS WELL AS A CREATION OF A LOT OF GREEN TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS, MULTIMODAL, UM, OPTIONS FOR OUR RESIDENTS. 
          SO A LOT OF BIKE P UM, TRANSIT, UH, BENEFITS AND IMPROVEMENTS. 
          UM, SUPER EXCITED. 
          THIS ALSO HELPS TEE UP, UH, THE DANCO PROJECT TO, FOR THEIR TAX CREDIT APPLICATIONS THAT THEY WILL BE PUTTING IN. 
          SO, UM, HOPING STILL FINGERS CROSSED THAT, UH, CONSTRUCTION WILL START IN 2025. 
          SO LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT. 
          AND JUST REALLY GOOD JOB STAFF AND, UM, TO CONTINUE OUR, UM, COMMITMENT TO TRANSPARENCY AND TO ENHANCE OUR COMMUNITY'S AWARENESS OF WHAT'S ON THE, WHAT'S COMING UP ON THE AGENDA. 
          STAFF WILL BE PROPOSING A QUARTERLY 30 MINUTE, UM, PLANNING SESSION WITH COUNCIL ON SIGNIFICANT UPCOMING ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. 
          SO IT ALLOWS FOR, UH, COUNCIL TO BE ABLE TO WEIGH IN, UNDERSTAND, AND HELP US PRIORITIZE WHAT WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA. 
          WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO STAFF, UM, THE COUNTY DOES IT, UH, A FEW OTHER NEIGHBORING JURISDICTIONS DO IT. 
          AND, UM, WE'LL BE TALKING TO EACH ONE OF YOU IN OUR ONE-ON-ONES ABOUT THAT. 
          BUT WE'RE REAL EXCITED AND LIKE TO DO THAT QUARTERLY. 
          AND THAT CONCLUDES MY COMMENTS FOR TONIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IT'S A LOT OF GOOD THERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, WE'RE MOVING NOW 
          [CONSENT CALENDAR]
TO OUR CONSENT CALENDAR, AND I'D LIKE TO LOOK UP AND DOWN THE DY AND SEE IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO PULL AN ITEM FROM THE, UH, CONSENT CALENDAR FOR OUR SEPARATE CONSIDERATION. 
          AND I THINK, UH, WE'RE NEEDING TO PULL ONE OF THE ITEMS FOR YOU. 
          UM, LET ME ASK OR DENNIS'S DENNIS, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER , UH, NOT A DEFINITE PULL, BUT, UH, I WAS WONDERING, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT ITEM 12. 
          OKAY. 
          LET'S, UM, WE'LL GET THE QUESTIONS IN A SECOND. 
          GOOD, GOOD POINT. 
          UM, DO SO MR. MAYOR, I BELIEVE WE NEED TO HAVE A SEPARATE VOTE ON ITEM EIGHT, UM, BECAUSE THAT'S IN COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON'S CONFLICT RADIUS AND THERE, AND IT'S IN THE NATURE OF THAT PROJECT THAT THERE'S IMPROVEMENTS, UM, THAT, THAT, UM, WOULD REQUIRE HER RECUSAL, BUT BECAUSE IT'S ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR, AS LONG AS THERE'S JUST A SEPARATE VOTE, SHE CAN STAY PRESENT. 
          WHY DO I NEED TO REUSE? I'M SORRY. 
          WHY DO I NEED TO, BECAUSE, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING FROM STAFF AND, AND, YOU KNOW, IF THIS IS INCORRECT, WE PLEASE LET ME KNOW, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT, UM, THE TRANSIT CENTER IS WITHIN THE 500 FOOT RADIUS OF YOUR RESIDENCE. 
          AND THEREFORE, AND BECAUSE THERE'S IMPROVEMENTS HERE AND NOT JUST SORT OF THE KINDS OF UTILITIES THAT ARE, THAT ARE AN EXCEPTION, UM, THAT BECAUSE IT'S WITHIN THAT, THAT CLOSE RADIUS, THAT A, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT PRESUMES A CONFLICT. 
          SO, SO REQUIRING RECUSAL, AND I'M SORRY IF THAT IT LOOKS, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S NEWS TO YOU, SO I'M SORRY IF THAT'S THE CASE. 
          I KNOW STAFF ARE PRESENT ON THAT, BUT THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. 
          I, I'M SORRY. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S NO, UH, WHAT WE'VE DETERMINED IS WE'LL, UM, PROCEED WITH THE TWO VOTE STEPS. 
          SO, WE'LL, WHEN THERE IS A MOTION ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR, ONE MOTION WILL BE FOR ITEM EIGHT, AND THEN THERE WILL BE A SECOND MOTION FOR THE REST OF THE CONSENT CALENDAR. 
          SEPARATE FROM THAT. 
          BUT, UH, DURING COUNCIL DELIBERATION ON IT AND, AND PUBLIC COMMENT ON IT, UH, YOU NEED NOT LEAVE THE, UH, CHANGE, RIGHT. 
          BECAUSE IT'S ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR, BECAUSE IT'S ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR. 
          THANKS. 
          GOOD. 
          THEN LET'S MOVE TOWARDS QUESTIONS, UH, REGARDING THE CONSENT CALENDAR AND, UH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER POKAY, I BELIEVE YOU. 
          UM, THANKS. 
          UM, YEAH, I HAD A, A LONG HOMELESS MEETING THIS MORNING, SO WHEN I GOT BACK, I DIDN'T HAVE, UH, TIME TO, I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO LEISURELY GO THROUGH, UH, UM, MY EMAILS AND SUCH. 
          AND I, AND I SAW AN EMAIL, UH, BASICALLY BY A GROUP OPPOSED TO ITEM 12 STATING THAT IT WOULD ONLY HELP CHARTER CITIES AND NO ONE ELSE. 
          UM, ANYONE ELSE? I GUESS I HAVE ONE QUESTION. 
          DID ANYONE ELSE SEE THIS? AND DOES ANYONE, I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO DO MY OWN RESEARCH ON THIS TO SEE IF THIS IS, IS TRUE OR NOT. 
          UH, SO COUNCIL MEMBER HEALEY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO LEAD OFF ON THAT? SURE. 
          AS, AS 
          [01:50:01]
I MENTIONED, UM, I'M ON THE CAL CITY'S, UH, BOARD COMMITTEE TALKING ABOUT THIS ISSUE. 
          UM, THIS IS THE FIRST I'VE HEARD OF THAT CLAIM. 
          UM, THERE'S NOTHING IN THE TEXT OF, OF THE BILL THAT WOULD LEAD ME TO BELIEVE THAT'S TRUE. 
          THAT CERTAINLY WASN'T THE INTENT OF THE BILL. 
          UM, WHAT I CAN SAY IS, UM, ANYWAY, IF THAT, IF THAT'S THE EXTENT OF YOUR QUESTIONS, I THINK THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY ABOUT THAT. 
          IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT MORE BROADLY, I CAN DO THAT AS WELL. 
          AND, AND I HAVE THE SAME RESPONSE. 
          UM, I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO CHECK IN WITH THE OTHER CITY ATTORNEYS, DEPARTMENT OFFICERS OR STAFF TODAY. 
          THAT'S THE FIRST I HEARD OF THAT. 
          I'D BE VERY SURPRISED IF THE CAL, IF CAL CITIES WERE PROMOTING SOMETHING THAT ONLY BENEFITED THE CHARTER CITY MEMBERS IN THAT WAY. 
          SO I'M, I'M SKEPTICAL, BUT, BUT WE SHOULD LOOK INTO IT AND WE CAN RESPOND TO THE COUNCIL. 
          OKAY. 
          DOES ANYONE ELSE COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, RES, UH, YEAH, SO I DID SEE, UH, LIKE A NEWSPAPER IN OTHER PLACES, UH, SOME FOLKS TRYING TO ARGUE AGAINST THE, UH, NUMBER 13, UM, THE, THE RULE THAT'S COMING TO PLAY. 
          AND ONE WAS ABOUT PROPOSITION 13, BUT I THINK THE ARGUMENTS, UM, DON'T GO OVER, UH, FOR THAT, FOR THAT IT'S GOING TO NEGATE PRO PROPOSITION 13. 
          THAT WAS A MAJOR CONCERN, BUT IT, UH, BUT THE FOLKS THAT ARE PROPONENT IT, UH, SAY NO, IT, IT SHOULD, IT'S NOT GONNA AFFECT PROPOSITION 13 AT THIS POINT. 
          BUT THE OTHER CONCERN I HAD WAS THE, UM, JUST THE LIST OF PROPONENTS VERSUS THE FOLKS WHO WERE, UH, OPPOSING THE LIST. 
          THERE WAS, AND THE LIST OF SUPPORT. 
          THERE WAS, UH, WAS MENTIONED A LARGE NUMBER OF CITIES BASICALLY IN COUNTIES AND GOVERNMENT, UM, FOLKS THAT ARE FOR THIS PROPOSAL. 
          BUT THERE'S ALSO A LONG LIST OF, UM, FOLKS OF ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE, UH, OPPOSED TO THIS. 
          SO I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD EXPLAIN IF YOU HAD, UH, SINCE THEY'RE VERY DIFFERENT, UM, LISTS IN THEIR PROPERTIES AND WHO'S, WHO'S SUPPORTING AND OPPOSING, UH, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY THOSE FOLKS MIGHT BE OPPOSING THIS? I'M, I'M NOT QUITE, QUITE CLEAR ON THE OPPOSITION ON, ON THE VOLUME OF FOLKS THAT WE'RE OPPOSING. 
          UM, WE'LL KNOW BETTER WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT, WHAT BASIS THERE MAY BE TO THAT, THAT ARGUMENT THAT WE SAW. 
          SO WE'LL HAVE TO CHECK. 
          I, AND I HAVEN'T SEEN THE LIST OF THE, YOU KNOW, PROPONENTS AND OPPONENTS, UM, BUT SOMETIMES JUST WHO THEY ARE CAN HELP TELL US WHY, WHY THEIR POSITION IS THAT, BECAUSE THEY MAY BE, YOU KNOW, JUST IN FAVOR OF ONE TAX REDUCTION GENERALLY, OR OPPOSED TO TAX GENERATION GENERALLY, OR WHATEVER. 
          BUT WE'LL, HAPPY TO LOOK INTO IT. 
          I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO TALK TO CAL CITY STAFF TODAY, OR THE OTHER OFFICERS OF THE CITY ATTORNEY'S DEPARTMENT, BUT I'LL DO THAT BEFORE THE WEEK'S OUT. 
          UM, ALSO, I'LL BE ATTENDING THE SAME CONFERENCE, THE ANNUAL CONFERENCE, UM, BECAUSE THERE'S A, UM, I HAVE A CITY, CITY ATTORNEY'S DEPARTMENT BUSINESS MEETING, AND WE HAVE PANELS TO MODERATE ET CETERA. 
          SO I'LL BE SEEING YOU THERE. 
          AND THEN I THINK WE'LL PROBABLY ALL BE HEARING MORE ABOUT IT THERE TOO. 
          THANKS. 
          SO LET'S, UM, LET'S INVITE OUR REPRESENTATIVE IN COUNCIL MEMBER HEALEY. 
          SURE. 
          SO, UM, TWO THINGS. 
          ONE, I'D SAY IT'S, UM, IF, IF WE'RE GONNA WEIGH IN ON THIS BILL, WE NEED TO DO IT TONIGHT, UM, BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY PASSED THE ASSEMBLY AND THE, UH, SENATE AND THE ENTIRE LEGISLATURE ADJOURN THIS THURSDAY NIGHT. 
          SO THIS IS OUR ONE, UH, CH CHANCE TO INFLUENCE THE, OUR SENATORS. 
          UM, I, I LOOKED AT THE LIST OF SUPPORTING AND OPPOSING CITIES. 
          I'D SAY GENERALIZING A LITTLE BIT, BUT NOT MUCH. 
          THE OPPOSING, THE, THE CITY SUPPORTING ACA 13 ARE FROM THE BLUER PARTS OF THE STATE, AND THE CITY'S OPPOSING ACA 13 ARE FROM THE BRIGHT RED PARTS OF THE STATE. 
          OKAY. 
          I NOTICED THAT IN, IN THE LIST, ALMOST ALL THE ONES THAT ARE FOR THIS, UH, UM, PROPOSITION IS, UH, A LOT OF CITIES AND A LOT OF CITIES THAT JUST LIKE US. 
          SO WE WOULD, UM, WANNA BE WITHIN THE SAME FIELD OF FOLKS, UH, SUPPORTING THIS SINCE IT'S ALREADY BEING SUPPORTED BY, BY, LOOKS LIKE A HUGE NUMBER OF CITIES. 
          GOOD BENEFIT FOR US PERSONALLY, I THINK IN PETALUMA HERE. 
          GOOD COMPANY THEN. 
          THANKS. 
          AND WITH NO FURTHER QUESTIONS OR, UM, AT THIS TIME FROM, FROM, UH, COUNSEL, I'D LIKE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR. 
          AND I HAVE FOUR CARDS IN MY HANDS FOR ITEM, UM, ITEMS THROUGH ITEM, UH, 12 OF THE CONSENT CALENDAR. 
          UM, AND DO WE HAVE JUST ONE NUMBER? SYSTEM IS 12, THE BREAK POINT ON CONSENT CALENDAR. 
          CAN I BE CLEAR ON THAT? GOOD. 
          THEN, UM, WITH FOUR, I'D LIKE TO, UM, ASK THE CLERK IF WE'VE HAD COMMENTS ON CONSENT CALENDAR EARLY. 
          MAYOR, WE HAVE NO COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND THEN, UH, SHIFTING TO OUR ZOOM AUDIENCE, WILL YOU MAKE THE ANNOUNCEMENT AND THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          [01:55:01]
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ATTENDING IN PERSON SHOULD BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT REDONE. 
          SO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ATTENDING ONLINE WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR SHOULD RAISE A VIRTUAL HAND, OR PRESS NINE IF PARTICIPATING BY PHONE. 
          MR. MAYOR, WE HAVE ONE, UH, MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC RAISING THEIR HAND. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          YEAH, I AM, UM, PEEKING AT THE ONLINE AGENDA, AND THERE ARE 13 AT THE I, AND I'M LOOKING AT THE PAPERWORK I HAVE, AND I HAVE, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE THINKING THE NUMBERING CONVENTION WAS DIFFERENT ONLINE VERSUS THE ANNOTATED, SO, OKAY. 
          SO, UM, UH, WE'LL BE ABLE TO WORK ON THAT AS WE GO THROUGH. 
          AND THAT'S WHY YOU HAD CALLED, WHAT I HAVE TO RECUSE ON, YOU HAD CALLED NUMBER EIGHT UHHUH, AND IT WAS LIBRARY, AND THAT'S WHY I WAS SO CONFUSED. 
          AH, UHHUH . 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO, UH, WE HAVE, UH, I HAVE FOUR CARDS IN FRONT OF ME. 
          UM, THE FIRST CARD FROM SHARE, UM, SHERRY SANDBERG, WAS ABOUT STORY POLLS. 
          AND I THINK THAT THAT, UH, ITEM IS CONCLUDED. 
          SO I'M NOT, UH, I THINK THAT'S JUST A LATE ENTRY. 
          UH, THE NEXT ONE IS FROM WAYNE TRO TO BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, PETER CHERNOFF. 
          WAYNE. 
          HI, MY NAME'S WAYNE STROM. 
          I'VE BEEN IN PETALUMA FOR ABOUT 25 YEARS NOW. 
          I JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION ON, UH, UM, THE USE OF DRONES AND MILITARY EQUIPMENT HERE IN PETALUMA AND WHAT THE NEED IS FOR, I, UM, I'M PRETTY NEUTRAL. 
          I, I BELIEVE IN THE RIGHT TOOL FOR THE RIGHT JOB. 
          UM, BUT I'M KIND OF CONCERNED ON, UH, THE USE OF DRONES. 
          ARE THEY GONNA BE, UM, LET ME SEE, ARE THEY GONNA BE RESTRICTED TO, UM, OR NOT RESTRICTED, BUT ARE THEY GONNA BE USED IN CONJUNCTION WITH, UH, UH, ARE THEY GONNA BE AVAILABLE FOR FORWARD, UH, FOYER REQUEST? AM I GONNA BE ABLE TO GET THAT? THOSE INFORMATIONS, ARE THEY GONNA BE THE DATA AND WHERE IT'S GONNA BE COLLECTED? SO, UM, TYPICALLY IN OUR PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, IT'S A COMMENT, NOT A, OR IT'S NOT A QUESTION THAT ANTICIPATES AN ANSWER AT THAT MOMENT. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          BUT WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL BRING IT BACK AND WE'LL PROVIDE COUNSEL A CHANCE TO ASK THAT SAME QUESTION SO THAT MAYBE IF THERE IS A QUICK AND EASY REPLY, WE'LL HAVE IT FOR YOU, UM, BY THE END OF THIS ITEM. 
          AND SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION AND, AND, UH, WE'LL MOVE TO OUR NEXT SPEAKER AND YOU, BUT WE WILL RESPOND. 
          SO OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS PETER SOFF. 
          AND PETER, YOU HAVE, UH, LISTED OUT THREE DIFFERENT ITEMS YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON, BUT IT'S ONE CONSENT CALENDAR AND ONE THREE MINUTE WINDOW. 
          WELL, TWO OF 'EM ARE IN CONSENT. 
          THE OTHER ONE WAS ON, UH, THE PUBLIC, UH, S UH, IS THE, THE THIRD ONE WAS NOT THE, ON THE CONSENT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, IS THAT CORRECT THEN? IT, ARE YOU SAYING IT WAS FOR THE, UM, HOMELESSNESS? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S, WE GOT YOU, YOU, THESE TWO ITEMS. ONE THREE MINUTE EFFORT, FIVE AND 11. 
          YEAH. 
          OH, STILL THREE MINUTES. 
          STILL. 
          THREE MINUTES. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, I THINK THE, THE GENTLEMAN RIGHT BEFORE ME BROUGHT UP AN INTERESTING POINT ABOUT, UH, THE, UH, UNMANNED DRONES. 
          UH, I THINK THEY COULD BE DO, DOING A LOT OF GOOD WORK BECAUSE, FOR EXAMPLE, SINCE, UH, YOU CHOOSE TO, UH, TELEVISE YOURSELVES AND THE CERTAIN CHOSEN PEOPLE, BUT YOU TURN OFF THE TV FOR WHEN THE SPEAKERS ARE SPEAKING, WHICH IS ALL OF US, MAYBE WE COULD HAVE SOME DRONES HERE SO THE PUBLIC CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE SPEAKERS LIKE THEY USED TO IN THE PAST. 
          AND PERHAPS, UM, LAW ENFORCEMENT CAN SHOW THE GOOD WORKS TO THE PUBLIC BY SELFLESS, UH, ANGELS ON THE STREET ON BEHALF OF THE HOMELESS, THE DISENFRANCHISED, AND THE ANIMALS. 
          SO, AND LAW ENFORCEMENT'S IN A LOT OF TROUBLE. 
          SO I HOPE THAT, UH, THE SPIRITUAL WARRIORS, UH, DO SOME HARDCORE PRAYING FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE THEY'RE IN A LOT OF TROUBLE. 
          SO, PUBLIC ACCESS AND SERVING, UH, THE PUBLIC MIGHT CONSIDER ASSISTING LAW ENFORCEMENT BY PUBLIC INTERVIEWS OF THE C S P O A, WHICH IS THE CONSTITUTIONAL SHERIFF'S PEACE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION WITH SHERIFF RICHARD MAC, WHO'S THEIR PRESIDENT. 
          AND ALSO TO DO SOME, UH, UH, EDUCATION WITH FIJA FULLY INFORMED JURY ASSOCIATION, WHICH IF ANYBODY WAS HAVING A JURY TRIAL, YOU WOULD WANT SOMEBODY WITH FIJA KNOWLEDGE ON YOUR, UH, JURY. 
          SO THE PETALUMA POLICE DEPARTMENT IS, IS HALF HALF OF OUR, OUR VETERANS, AS ARE MOST LAW ENFORCEMENT, AND MOST VETERAN GROUPS CLAIM THAT, UH, LEAVE NO SOLDIER BEHIND. 
          AND YET, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT AND OUR VETERANS HAVE DISREGARDED FOR 51 YEARS. 
          GREENBRAE SURGEON, DR. 
          JEFFREY MCDONALD, WHO BLEW THE WHISTLE IN BUSH'S HEROIN, THE SAME HERBERT CHER BUSH, WHO WITH A GUY NAMED, UH, WHO WAS THAT BB UH, 
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NET NIU ORCHESTRATED NINE 11. 
          SO I ALSO WANNA MENTION WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT I DON'T KNOW IF THEY DID THIS WITH THE, UH, WITH THE DRONES, BUT I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE SAW THAT OUR, OUR LOCAL JOAN OF ARK, WHO DOES MORE FOR THE HOMELESS AND THE ANIMALS IS A HARDCORE TESTY PERSON. 
          YES, SHE IS. 
          UH, AND MAYBE WE SHOULD ALL STEP UP OUR GAME TO BE MORE, UH, EFFECTIVE AND CHALLENGE THE SYSTEM BECAUSE CHIEFS, KEN SANO KNOWS HER AND SUE, SO DO A LOT OF YOU. 
          AND, UH, AND SHE DOES MORE HANDS-ON WORK THAN MOST PEOPLE FOR THE HOMELESS AND THE DIS DISTRESSED ANIMALS. 
          SO MY QUESTION IS, WHY WAS MON MONICA MARELLA, UM, TRULY MANHANDLED AND PHYSICALLY BATTERED BY OUR LOCAL GOOD POLICE I'D? I'D LIKE SOMEONE TO LOOK INTO THAT, PLEASE. 
          AND SO, LASTLY, I WANNA ADD ON, UH, IN SUPPORT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT VETERANS THAT NINE 11, LIKE PEARL HARBOR, LIKE VIETNAM, WERE ALL PLANNED AND INITIATED, UH, AND PLANNED WELL IN ADVANCED BY THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX. 
          AND THAT, UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF POWER. 
          WE ARE THE MOST POWERFUL PEOPLE. 
          AND, UH, HE WHO WAS IN ME IS GREATER THAN ANY IN THIS WORLD. 
          AND WE ALL HAVE SUCH STRENGTH, AND IT'S TIME FOR US TO STEP UP AND TO, UH, KNOW THAT WE CAN'T SERVE TWO MASTERS AND SHUTTING DOWN THIS GREED AND CORRUPTION WITH THE 40 DAY STRIKE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND LET'S GO TO OUR ZOOM AUDIENCE AND RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENT FROM THERE. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          THE FIRST SET HAND THAT I HAVE RAISED IS OMAR. 
          OMAR. 
          I'LL NOW ALLOW YOU TO SPEAK. 
          YOU CAN UNMUTE YOURSELF AND BEGIN. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR MCDONALD AND MEMBERS OF THE PETALUMA CITY COUNCIL. 
          MY NAME IS OMAR OMAR LOPEZ. 
          I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF GENERATION HOUSING TO STRONGLY URGE THE COUNCIL TO APPROVE CONSENT. 
          ITEM 13 OR 12, DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, WHICH IS GONNA BE THE LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR A C A 13, UH, GENERATION HOUSING CHAMPIONS, A VISION OF A NORTH BAY WHERE EVERYONE HAS A PLACE TO CALL HOME, CONTRIBUTING TO AN EQUITABLE, HEALTHY, AND RESILIENT COMMUNITY. 
          WE FIRMLY BELIEVE IN PROMOTING EFFECTIVE POLICY, SUSTAINABLE FUNDING, RESOURCES, AND COLLABORATIVE INITIATIVES TO REALIZE SUSPICION. 
          THE ISSUE OF VOTING THRESHOLDS FOR REVENUE MEASURES DIRECTLY IMPACTS THE COMMUNITY'S ABILITY TO ADDRESS PRESSING CONCERNS LIKE HOUSING, PUBLIC SAFETY, AND INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          THE CURRENT SUPER MAJORITY REQUIREMENTS HAVE OFTEN SERVED AS BARRIERS TO PASSING RESOURCE MEASURES THAT ARE CRITICAL FOR THE WELLBEING AND PROGRESS OF OUR COMMUNITIES. 
          AS I'M SURE YOU KNOW, FROM 2001 TO 2018, CITY REVENUE MEASURES REQUIRING A TWO-THIRDS VOTE SAW ONLY 51% SUCCESS RATE, WHICH IS SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER THAN THE AVERAGE 70% PASSAGE RATE FOR MEASURES REQUIRING A SIMPLE MAJORITY. 
          A C A 13 SEEKS TO ADDRESS DISPARITIES LIKE THAT BY PROPOSING AN EQUITABLE FRAMEWORK THAT WOULD REQUIRE ONLY INITIATIVE SEEKING TO ENHANCE A VOTER REQUIREMENT TO PASS BY THAT SAME VOTER REQUIREMENT. 
          THIS IS A GOOD GOVERNANCE PROPOSAL THAT HELPS PROTECT THE PRINCIPLES OF DEMOCRACY. 
          AND MAJORITY RULE APPROVING A LETTER FOR SUPPORT FOR A C A 13 WOULD DEMONSTRATE THE COUNCIL'S COMMITMENT TO RESPONSIVE GOVERNANCE, EQUITABLE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, AND LONG-TERM SUSTAINABILITY. 
          IT WOULD ALSO PROVIDE A PATHWAY TO MOBILIZE NECESSARY FUNDING FOR SERVICES AND PROJECTS THAT HAVE BROAD COMMUNITY SUPPORT THAT ARE CURRENTLY PREVENT OR STOPPED BY SUPER MAJORITY REQUIREMENTS. 
          WE HOPE THAT YOU WILL TAKE OUR RECOMMENDATION TO SERIOUS CONSIDERATION AND APPROVE THE LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR A C A 13. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          AND MR. MAYOR, THAT'S THE LAST PUBLIC COMMENT I BEHALF. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, UM, BRINGING IT BACK UP TO COUNSEL AGAIN, CLO CLOSING PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR. 
          UM, LET'S SEE. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST, UM, THAT THE DRONE QUESTION BE A LITTLE ANSWERED AND TELL ME IF MY UNDERSTANDING IS CORRECT IS THAT CURRENTLY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS NO DRONES AND HAS NO USE OF DRONES AT THIS TIME, BUT DOES CONSIDER THAT TO BE WITHIN THEIR BUDGET IN THE FUTURE YEAR. 
          AND WE'LL COME TO COUNCIL WITH AN ITEM FOR BOTH THEIR, UH, PURCHASE AND USE FOR OUR DECISION MAKING IN SOME FUTURE TIME. 
          SO MAYBE THAT QUESTION IS DOWN THE ROAD YET, AND, UM, COULD YOU WANT TO EXPOUND ON THAT? JUST ADD A COUPLE THINGS. 
          UM, THAT, THAT PROPOSAL FOR AMENDMENT INCLUDED A POLICY FOR THE USE OF THEM. 
          UM, ALL OF OUR POLICIES ARE ONLINE, AND THAT ONE IN PARTICULAR IS, UM, AND ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN CAN ACCESS ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT PAGES AND THE CITY'S WEBSITE, UM, THE LEXIPOL POLICIES THAT, THAT GOVERN THE, THE, THE DEPARTMENT, ALL OF THE DEPARTMENT'S FUNCTIONS. 
          UM, AND IN TERMS OF THE ACTUAL QUESTION THAT WE GOT, I THINK IT WAS GOING AT WHETHER, HOW TRANSPARENT WOULD BE THE INFORMATION THAT THE, UM, THAT THE DRONES MIGHT GATHER IF THEY GATHER INFORMATION OR WHAT THEY MIGHT BE 
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USED FOR. 
          AND THE THE ANSWER IS, IS I, I'LL GIVE THE SHORT VERSION OF THE ANSWER, BUT A LONGER ONE IS MORE COMPLICATED. 
          UM, THERE ARE SOME PRETTY BROAD EXCEPTIONS FROM DISCLOSURE FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT INFORMATION IN THE PUBLIC RECORDS ACT EXCEPT FOR INFORMATION THAT'S LISTED IN THE PUBLIC RECORDS ACT THAT MUST BE DISCLOSED. 
          UM, AND IT'S THAT THAT INFORMATION THAT MUST BE DISCLOSED USUALLY IS FACTS REGARDING AN INCIDENT OR A COMPLAINT, BUT NOT NECESSARILY INFORMATION RELATED TO PENDING INVESTIGATIONS OR, OR INFORMATION THAT IF DISCLOSED COULD UNDERMINE AN INVESTIGATION OR SOMEONE'S SAFETY. 
          SO THOSE SAME RULES APPLY TO ALL THE POLICE DEPARTMENT INFORMATION INCLUDING RELATED TO USE OF DRONES. 
          BUT, BUT THE, UM, PURPOSE OF THE, UM, AB 4 81 POLICY IS TO MAKE SURE THAT COUNSEL HAS DIRECT OVERSIGHT OVER USE OF EQUIPMENT SUBJECT TO, TO BEING LISTED IN THE POLICY. 
          UM, AND THAT ANY CHANGES TO THAT POLICY COME TO THE COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. 
          AND, AND I BELIEVE THE MAYOR WAS ACCURATE IN WHAT HE SAID ABOUT THE PLANS FOR, UM, FOR, UM, PROVIDING FOR DRONES. 
          THE, THE FOCUS OF WHICH IN, IF YOU LOOK, IF YOU REVIEW THE REPORT, WAS REALLY TO PUT ROBOTS IN HARM'S WAY INSTEAD OF PEOPLE, UM, WHETHER THEY BE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC OR OFFICERS. 
          UM, SO ANYWAY, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE THAT'S RESPONSIVE FOR NOW. 
          AND IF THERE ARE MORE QUESTIONS, WE CAN CERTAINLY ADDRESS THEM IN DUE COURSE. 
          THANKS. 
          I'M HOPE, I'M HOPING THAT, UH, ADDRESSES, BUT IF IT DOESN'T ADDRESS THEN ANY, AN EMAIL TO, UH, STAFF OR MYSELF WOULD, WOULD GAIN YOU FURTHER INFORMATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, UM, BACK TO COUNCIL, ANYONE WITH A MOTION? COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY. 
          SO I'LL MOVE, MOVE WHAT'S, UM, UH, ON THE WRITTEN AGENDA AS ITEMS ONE THROUGH SEVEN AND NINE THROUGH 12. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SECOND AND SECOND FROM BARNACLE AND, AND A ROLL CALL VOTE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBERS BARNACLE. 
          AYE. 
          CATER THOMPSON. 
          WELL, NUMBER NINE, I'M SUPPOSED TO RECUSE. 
          NO, YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOOD. 
          YOU'RE GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          HEALEY? YES. 
          NOW? YES. 
          POST K. 
          YES. 
          SCHITZ? YES. 
          MAYOR MCDONALD. 
          YES. 
          MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          AND THEN, UH, NOW THE, UH, MOTION THAT COMES WITH THE RECUSAL HERE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY. 
          SO I'LL MOVE ITEM EIGHT, WHICH IS THE, UM, ITEM ON ZERO EMISSION BUS AND FOR ZERO EMISSION VEHICLES FOR OUR BUS AND PARATRANSIT FLEET. 
          SECOND AND A SECOND FROM BARNACLE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE. 
          AYE. 
          COUNCILMAN HA, HEALEY? YES. 
          NOW YES. 
          POST K. 
          YES. 
          REBS? YES. 
          MAYOR MCDONALD. 
          YES. 
          MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND THAT MOVES US DOWN THE CALENDAR TO OUR NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS, UM, PUBLIC HEARINGS MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION. 
          MR. MAYOR. 
          MAYOR, YES. 
          TWO THINGS. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          UM, WE DIDN'T LOOK AT NUMBER 13 OR ITEM NUMBER. 
          WELL, ON MY, IT'S NUMBER 13, WHICH IS THE AC 13. 
          SO I THINK, UM, DID I THINK THE MOTION FOR THE FIRST MOTION INCLUDED ALL ITEMS IN THE CONSENT, EXCEPT THE, YEAH. 
          THERE THERE'S A DISCONNECT BETWEEN THE WRITTEN, PRINTED AGENDA AND WHAT'S NOW ONLINE. 
          AND SO MY MOTION SPECIFIED THE, THE ONE THAT WAS PRINTED OUT. 
          SO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS UNDERSTAND SOMEHOW NEW AND DIFFERENT. 
          AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY. 
          MY QUESTION WAS IS THE, UM, IS THE LETTER ON A C A 13 HERE SO WE CAN PASS IT DOWN TO BIAS, UH, D AND SIGN IT? WE CAN MAKE THAT READY? YES. 
          ALL GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          SO MOVING 
          [PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION]
BACK TO, UH, THE NEXT, UH, ITEM, UH, UM, WHICH IS A, UH, RESOLUTION DECLARING A SHELTER CRISIS IN THE CITY OF PETALUMA. 
          INTRODUCING FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE, CREATING FLEXIBILITY IN LOCAL STANDARDS AND PROCEDURES FOR THE DESIGN AND SITE DEVELOPMENT OF SHELTERS FOR PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS AND THE STRUCTURES AND FACILITIES THEREIN AT THE CITY MANAGER'S DISCRETION. 
          SO, UH, THIS EVENING OUR, UH, STAFF PRESENTERS, DYLAN BRADY, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY, AND WE'RE GONNA TURN IT OVER TO HIM TO KICK OFF THE EVENING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR CITY COUNCIL. 
          I ALSO SEE OUR HOUSING MANAGER, KAREN ZU, AS ONE OF THE ATTENDEES. 
          SO IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, MAYBE WE CAN PUT HER ON THE SPOT AND BRING HER OVER TO PARTICIPANTS. 
          UM, I'M ON PRESENTING MODE HERE IN MY POWERPOINT, BUT, UH, LET ME TRY THAT AGAIN. 
          THAT'S EVEN WORSE. 
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OKAY. 
          I MIGHT JUST HAVE TO LIVE WITH THIS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THERE'S TWO ACTIONS TONIGHT. 
          THE FIRST ONE IS DECLARING A RESOLUTION SHELTER CRISIS, AND THE OTHER ONE IS A LOCAL STANDARDS ORDINANCE. 
          SO, COUNSEL HAS A COUPLE OPTIONS TONIGHT. 
          IT COULD EITHER APPROVE BOTH OF 'EM, IT COULD NOT APPROVE BOTH OF THEM. 
          IT COULD APPROVE THE SHELTER CRISIS DECLARATION, BUT NOT THE LOCAL STANDARDS ORDINANCE. 
          BUT IT CANNOT JUST APPROVE THE LOCAL STANDARDS ORDINANCE. 
          THE LOCAL STANDARDS ORDINANCE, UH, THE SHELTER CRISIS DECLARATION'S, A PREREQUISITE OF THE LOCAL STANDARDS ORDINANCE. 
          UH, THIS IS A RENEWAL OF A COUPLE RECENTLY EXPIRED ORDINANCES OR ORDINANCE AND RESOLUTION. 
          UH, COUNCIL PREVIOUSLY UNANIMOUSLY ADOPTED THE SHELTER CRISIS AND THE LOCAL STANDARDS ORDINANCE BACK IN SEPTEMBER 13TH, 2021, AND THEN, UH, PREVIOUSLY BACK IN NOVEMBER 5TH, 2018. 
          AND THE CITIES AND COUNTIES, THEY'RE AUTHORIZED TO ENACT THESE, UH, SHELTER CRISIS IN THE LOCAL STANDARDS ORDINANCE THROUGH THE GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION CITED HERE, THE SUNSET DATE FOR THESE OR, UH, STATUTES KEEPS EXPANDING. 
          AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY. 
          TO CONTINUE THE SUNSET DATE. 
          BOTH THE RESOLUTION AND ORDINANCE HAVE A SUNSET DATE ON THE, UH, MOST RECENT, UH, SUNSET DATE IN THE STATUTE, WHICH IS JANUARY 1ST, 2026. 
          OR IF CITY COUNCIL DESIRES, THEY CAN TERMINATE EARLIER. 
          AND THANKS AARON FOR GETTING THE FULL PRESENTATION. 
          SO, TO, UH, DECLARE THE SHELTER CRISIS DECLARATION, THERE NEEDS TO BE A FINDING THAT A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF PERSONS WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE CITY, UH, ARE WITHOUT THE ABILITY TO OBTAIN SHELTER, AND THAT THE SITUATION HAS RESULTED IN A THREAT TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THOSE PERSONS. 
          SO I AM HERE QUOTING SOME STATISTICS THAT WERE IN THE 2023 POINT IN TIME COUNT, AND THESE FINDING IS IN THE RESOLUTION DECLARING THE SHELTER CRISIS. 
          AND THE BOTTOM SENTENCE, UH, BULLET POINT ARE THE POTENTIAL HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUES FOR UNHOUSED, THAT THEY'RE MORE SUSCEPTIBLE TO SEVERE WEATHER, UH, VIOLENCE, UH, MENTAL AND PHYSICAL, UM, ILLNESS. 
          SO THE BENEFITS FIRST OF THE SHELTER CRISIS DECLARATION, IT WILL HELP THE CITY OBTAIN GRANTS TO, UH, MITIGATE THE, UH, HOMELESS ISSUE HERE IN THE CITY. 
          UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE 2018 STAFF REPORT, FOR THE INITIAL DECLARATION DECLARING THE SHELTER CRISIS, IT WAS NEEDED TO OBTAIN THE HEAP GRANT, WHICH IS HOMELESS EMERGENCY AID PROGRAM. 
          UH, THE OTHER SECOND BENEFIT IS, UH, IT WILL PREVENT THE CITY'S FROM SOME LIABILITY FOR ORDINARY NEGLIGENCE FOR ACTS OR EMISSIONS RELATED TO EMERGENCY HOUSING. 
          THAT IS ALSO IMPORTANT. 
          THE CITY CITES THE, THIS STATUTE OR THIS DECLARATION IN ALL OF ITS MOST RECENT, UH, RESIDENTIAL TENANCY AND MOBILE HOME, UH, ORDINANCES. 
          AS ONE OF THE C Q A EXEMPTIONS, THERE IS A STATUTORY C Q A EXEMPTION FOR MITIGATING EMERGENCIES. 
          SO IT'S NICE AS ONE OF THE OTHER SORT OF BOOTSTRAPS AND, AND SUSPENDERS TO CITE THIS EXEMPTION AS WELL FOR C Q A. 
          UM, AND IF THIS, WE MIGHT BE BRINGING THE MOBILE HOME OVERLAY ORDINANCE IN THE NEAR FUTURE, THIS SHELTER DECLARATION WOULD ALLOW US TO CITE TO THAT C Q A EXEMPTION AS WELL. 
          UM, IT ALSO ALLOWS PERSONS TO OCCUPY DESIGNATED PUBLIC FACILITIES, UH, DURING THE SHELTER CRISIS. 
          AND THEN LASTLY, IT ALLOWS THE CITY THE OPTION TO ENACT THIS LOCAL STANDARD ORDINANCE FOR OUR EMERGENCY SHELTERS. 
          AND AGAIN, THE OR, UH, DECLARATION, THAT'S A PREREQUISITE FOR THIS ORDINANCE. 
          SO THE ORDINANCE WILL ALLOW THE CITY THE FLEXIBILITY TO APPROVE THESE, UH, HOMELESS SHELTERS QUICKER AND TO OBTAIN MORE UNITS. 
          UH, ONCE CITY COUNCIL APPROVES THE FUNDING, THE LOCATION, THE TYPE OF HOMELESS SHELTER, THEN THIS IS WHERE THIS ORDINANCE COMES INTO EFFECT. 
          AND THIS ORDINANCE REALLY JUST PROVIDES MINIMUM STANDARDS. 
          IT'S THE APPENDIXES QUOTED HERE, UH, APPENDIX X BUILDING CODE O UH, THAT RELATES TO THE STANDARDS FOR EMERGENCY HOUSING. 
          AND THEN, UH, EVERYTHING ELSE WOULD BE UP TO THE CITY MANAGER DISCRETION, WHETHER OR NOT TO APPROVE, UH, THE HIGHER STANDARDS. 
          THIS WAS IMPORTANT FOR OUR TINY HOME VILLAGE, UH, PROJECT WHERE IT WENT TO COUNCIL, COUNCIL APPROVED IT, AND THEN THE STANDARDS, UH, WERE A LITTLE BIT RELAXED. 
          I BELIEVE IT A ALLOWED LESS SQUARE FOOTAGE 
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TO ALLOW MORE UNITS AT THE TINY HOME VILLAGE. 
          UM, AND WHILE IT DOES ALLOW, AND I TALKED TO OUR BUILDING OFFICIAL TODAY, UH, MOST NONE OF THESE, UH, RELAXED STANDARDS HAS TO DO WITH SAFETY. 
          THEY'RE REALLY ABOUT THE ENERGY CODE, OUR GREEN CODE, THE ALL ELECTRIC. 
          SO IT'S MORE THE, UH, ELECTRICITY AND THE, UM, THE GREEN CODE AND THE ENERGY STANDARDS. 
          BUT EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE THIS ORDINANCE, UH, THE TINY HOME VILLAGE IS ALL ELECTRIC. 
          UH, I WOULD SAY TOO THAT THIS IS REALLY HELPFUL FOR, LET'S SAY IN THE FAIRGROUNDS IN THE FUTURE. 
          UH, IT'S NOT CURRENTLY ZONED TO ALLOW THESE, UH, HOMELESS SHELTERS, BUT WITH THIS ORDINANCE, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO ALLOW IT. 
          SO THAT'S MY PRESENTATION. 
          UH, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS COUNCIL MAY HAVE. 
          THANKS. 
          AND TO COUNCIL ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL MEMBER NOW? UM, THANK YOU. 
          UM, THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION ON WHAT, UH, THE AGENDA ITEM WAS THAT I ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT PRIOR TO THE MEETING. 
          UM, MY QUESTION IS, WHEN THE, UM, WH WHEN THE CITY MANAGER MAKES THESE, UM, DECISIONS, WILL WE AS A CITY COUNCIL GET MONTHLY UPDATES OR QUARTERLY UPDATES ON WHAT IS, UM, BEEN DECIDED BY THE CITY MANAGER? I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, THE CITY MANAGER'S GONNA TAKE THAT ONE. 
          SO COUNCIL MEMBER NOW, JUST, UM, FOR YOUR BENEFIT, BECAUSE YOU WEREN'T HERE WHEN WE WERE DOING PEOPLE'S VILLAGE, I THINK WE BROUGHT IT TO COUNCIL AT LEAST HALF A DOZEN TIMES BEFORE IT, IT GOT FINALIZED. 
          SO, UM, COUNCIL'S WITH THAT DECISION MAKING PROCESS THROUGHOUT, AND, AND I'LL JUST, AND FOR ANY FINANCIAL, RIGHT, WHAT, WHAT I WANTED TO ADD IS THAT WHAT THE ORDINANCE WOULD DO WOULD, WOULD HAVE THE CITY MANAGER DECIDE WHAT PROJECTS ARE ELIGIBLE FOR, FOR, FOR PROCESSING UNDER THE ORDINANCE. 
          BUT THAT DOESN'T EXCUSE THE COUNCIL'S AUTHORITY CONCERNING BUDGET. 
          UM, IT'S CERTAINLY NOT ITS LEGISLATIVE AUTHORITY. 
          NO, IT DOESN'T PRECLUDE ANY DECISION MAKING, RIGHT? NO. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT IT'LL PROVIDES A MECHANISM FOR THE, FOR THE MANAGER TO, TO INITIATE THE PROCESS OF APPLYING THAT AUTHORITY TO A GIVEN PROJECT, LIKE IN THE CASE OF THE PEOPLE'S VILLAGE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AS LONG AS WE GET FINANCIAL AND, UM, JUST AN UPDATE ON WHAT'S BEEN, UM, TRANSPIRED. 
          OH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          BY YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, IT DIDN'T SAY THAT IN THE REPORT. 
          SORRY, SORRY. 
          THAT WASN'T CLEAR. 
          SO IT'S NOT A BYPASS OF THE COUNCIL'S AUTHORITY. 
          IT'S AN ABILITY TO BYPASS SOME OTHERWISE APPLICABLE CODE REQUIREMENTS, EXCLUDING SAFETY REQUIREMENTS. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COUNCIL MEMBER HEALEY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MY, MY, UH, QUESTION IS, UH, SIMILAR TO COUNCIL MEMBER NOW IS, UM, I I THINK THE, UM, THE RESOLUTION AND THE ORDINANCE ARE SUSCEPTIBLE TO THE INTERPRETATION THAT WE'RE DELEGATING COMPLETELY TO STAFF THE, UH, UM, DECISION TO WHERE TO CITE, UM, EMERGENCY HOUSING ON CITY OWNED OR LEASED PROPERTY. 
          UM, AND I, I, I VERY MUCH LIKE THE STREAMLINING ASPECTS OF THIS. 
          I VERY MUCH LIKE THE, UM, UM, ABILITY TO, UM, NOT ADHERE STRICTLY TO ALL BUILDING CODES, UM, IN, IN APPROPRIATE WAYS, UM, AND THE ABILITY TO ACCESS MORE FUNDING. 
          BUT I THINK THE DECISION ON WHICH CITY OWNED OR LEASE PROPERTIES SHOULD BE UTILIZED REALLY RE NEEDS TO REMAIN WITH THIS BODY. 
          AND I THINK THESE DOCUMENTS SHOULD REFLECT THAT. 
          UM, AND I THINK, UM, IF SECTION THREE OF THE ORDINANCE IN SECTIONS THREE AND FOUR OF THE RESOLUTION WERE TWEAKED VERY MODESTLY, THAT COULD PROBABLY BE ACHIEVED. 
          UM, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY HAS JUST RAISED THE PROSPECT OF PUTTING, UM, EMERGENCY HOUSING AT THE FAIRGROUNDS, I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE AN ISSUE, WHICH WE'D GET A LOT OF PUBLIC FEEDBACK ON. 
          AND I DON'T WANNA BE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE COULD SAY, OH, WE ALREADY DELEGATED THAT TO STAFF, SO DON'T TALK TO US. 
          SO ARE WE SUSCEPTIBLE OF, UM, MODIFYING THESE DOCUMENTS HERE TONIGHT, MR. CITY ATTORNEY AND MR. ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY? AND I CAN TAKE A STAB AT THAT, ERIC, IF YOU WANT. 
          SO AGAIN, I THINK THAT THIS ORDINANCE REALLY IS JUST THE STANDARDS THAT ARE APPLYING TO THE, UH, HOMELESS SHELTER ONCE A HOMELESS SHELTER IS DECIDED FOR THE LOCATION. 
          BUT IF WE WANTED TO, WE COULD ADD A, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER PARAGRAPH AT THE END OF SECTION THREE, AND I CAN PULL IT UP HERE. 
          CITY COUNCIL WANTS TO SEE THAT SAYS THE LOCATION OF THIS CITY OWNED PROPERTY OR LEASE, UH, WILL NEED TO BE A DECISION BY CITY COUNCIL OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. 
          THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 
          YEAH. 
          IF WE CAN ADD THAT LANGUAGE. 
          UH, CAN I CON UH, CONFIRM 
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THE, IN THE RESOLUTION WE'RE CRAFTING? I, I THINK IT WOULD BE THE ORDINANCE. 
          IN THE ORDINANCE, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          UM, I'M BACK WITH COUNCIL MEMBER SHRI. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, SO JUST GETTING TO THE, UM, DEFINITION OF, OF HOMELESSNESS, EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS, UH, HOW FAR CAN THIS EXTEND OUT? BECAUSE IF WE SHOULD HAVE A WILDFIRE OR EARTHQUAKE WHERE YOU END UP WITH THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE HOMELESS VERY QUICKLY, UM, WILL WE BE ABLE TO USE THIS IN A RESILIENCY CENTER AND ALSO, UH, FAIRGROUNDS AND MAYBE OTHER PLACES TO GET HOUSING HERE VERY QUICKLY WITHIN A DAY OR TWO, IF WE COULD, UH, TO HOUSE FOLKS IN THESE VERY EXTREME EMERGENCY CONDITIONS? SO IS THIS JUST FOR THE HOMELESS THAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING, OR CAN WE EXPAND IT OUT TO EMERGENCY SITUATIONS? SO THE STATUTE'S PRETTY CLEAR THAT IT NEEDS TO BE HOMELESS SHELTERS, BUT IF YOU DECLARE THE, UH, SHELTER CRISIS RESOLUTION, IT DOES ALLOW THE UNHOUSED TO SHELTER AT PUBLIC FACILITIES. 
          SO I WOULD THINK IN CASE OF, OR IN TIMES OF EMERGENCIES, THE CITY WOULD BE ABLE TO ALLOW, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WITHIN CITY HALL TO CONGREGATE, UH, BEFORE MORE PERMANENT HOUSING IS AVAILABLE. 
          OKAY. 
          GOOD. 
          SO IT WOULD BE APPLICABLE TO, TO, UM, UH, EARTHQUAKE AND, AND FIRE EMERGENCY SITUATIONS WHERE WE NEED HOUSING. 
          WE COULD RESPOND MORE QUICKLY HAVING THIS IN PLACE. 
          YES, I THINK SO. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE OF THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          NOW, UM, I WAS JUST, IF THERE WAS A, UM, WEATHER RELATED CATASTROPHE, FLOODING OR WHAT HAVE YOU, WE MIGHT HAVE TO MOVE PEOPLE INTO TEMPORARY HOUSING. 
          THEY WOULD BE HOMELESS LIKE THE FIRE. 
          UM, BUT IT WOULD BE FLOODING, IT WOULD BE TEMPORARY UNTIL THE WATER RECEDES. 
          OF COURSE, THEY CAN GO BACK TO THEIR HOMES. 
          ALSO, UM, COOLING CENTERS AND, UM, THE WARMING SHELTERS, THAT WOULD BE ALMOST INSTANTANEOUS. 
          I MEAN, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TIME TO CONVENE AS THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          SO HOW DOES THAT WORK? DEREK, DO YOU WANNA TAKE THAT OR I CAN, UH, WHY DON'T YOU START, DYLAN? 'CAUSE I WAS LOOKING AT THE ORDINANCE. 
          SO, , TO ANSWER THE OTHER QUESTION, IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WE ALREADY DO THAT IN CASE OF NATURAL DISASTERS, UM, BUT ALSO WARMING AND COOLING. 
          UM, IN THE PAST WE'VE HAD TO CONTACT THE FAIRGROUNDS AND ASK, YEAH, NOW WE HAVE THE KEYS SO WE CAN USE THOSE TWO MAIN BUILDINGS FOR COOLING, WARMING CENTERS, FLOOD VICTIMS, ET CETERA. 
          BUT IT WOULD BE INSTANT, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TIME TO CONVENE AS A CITY COUNCIL TO GIVE YOU A YES OR A NO. 
          RIGHT. 
          I GUESS IN, TYPICALLY IN THOSE SITUATIONS, UH, THE CITY MANAGER, SHE WOULD FIRST DECLARE THE EMERGENCY, AND THAT GIVES THE CITY A BUNCH OF AUTHORITY TO OPEN UP SHELTERS. 
          UH, BUT THIS WOULD JUST BE SORT OF A BOOTSTRAPS AND SUSPENDERS ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, PROTECTIVE LAYER THAT ALREADY ALLOWS US, UH, I GUESS TO OPEN UP THE SHELTERS, UH, TO ALLOW SHEL, UH, PEOPLE TO SLEEP AND CONGREGATE WITHOUT THAT, UH, EMERGENCY DECLARATION DEPENDING ON THE NATURAL DISASTER. 
          OKAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          'CAUSE IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN FIRES. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, AND, WELL, THE, OUR EMERGENCY AUTHORITY, THE MANAGER'S AUTHORITY IS THE, UM, EMERGENCY SERVICES DIRECTOR, UM, IS VERY BROAD, BUT IT'S SUBJECT TO RATIFICATION WITHIN SEVEN DAYS BY THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          SO IF YOU RECALL, WHENEVER WE'VE HAD A DECLARED EMERGENCY, UM, WE'LL GET AN ADMINISTRATIVE DECLARATION SO THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, HAVE THE E O C UP AND RUNNING AND, AND, UM, CITY, CITY STAFF ACTIVATED AS EMERGENCY WORKERS, BUT WE HAVE TO BRING THAT TO THE COUNCIL WITHIN SEVEN DAYS, AND THEY HAVE TO RATIFY OR THE, UM, DEC DECLARE DECLARATION AUTOMATICALLY EXPIRES. 
          SO THAT'S JUST THE BASICS OF, OF US GOING INTO EMERGENCY RESPONSE MODE. 
          UM, IN LOOKING AT THE, UM, THE ORDINANCE, I'M WONDERING WHETHER WE MAYBE WANT TO JUST, AND DON'T LET ME, I I DON'T THINK IT'S A, IT'S A STATUTORY REQUIREMENT, BUT I, I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING THE COUNCIL MEMBERS SAY, AND I, AND I, AND I APPRECIATE THEIR CONCERN, IS THAT TO DO THINGS LIKE, UM, THE PEOPLE'S VILLAGE, WE DON'T HAVE TO SUSPEND OUR PLANNING AND ZONING REGULATIONS. 
          AND THAT'S, THOSE THAT KINDA LAND USE CONTROL IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO DELEGATE. 
          UM, AND PROBABLY DOESN'T WANT TO DELEGATE. 
          UM, AS IN, IN COMPARISON WITH THINGS LIKE THE CODE RELAXATIONS THAT WERE INVOLVED THERE, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, UM, YOU 
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KNOW, BYPASSING PERMITTED USES IS A BIG DEAL. 
          UM, AND YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF A CHANGE IN THE, IN THE CITY'S, UM, LANDES REGULATIONS. 
          I, I'M HEARING THE COUNCIL EXPRESS A DESIRE TO RESERVE THAT. 
          AND DYLAN, ARE YOU, YOU ABLE TO ADDRESS WHETHER THAT WILL BE A PROBLEM. 
          'CAUSE OTHERWISE, IF, IF WE TAKE OUT THE PLANNING AND ZONING REFERENCE IN SECTION THREE, IT STILL WOULD PROVIDE FOR, UM, APPROVAL PROCE OF PROCEDURES FOR LOCAL HOUSING, HEALTH, HABITABILITY, AND SAFETY STANDARDS AND PROCEDURES. 
          AND DEFINITELY, UH, CITY COUNCIL'S PLEASURE HERE. 
          BUT WE MIGHT WANT TO KEEP THE PLANNING AND ZONING JUST IN CASE CITY COUNCIL WANTS TO MAKE THAT DECISION WHETHER OR NOT A CURRENT CITY FACILITY THAT'S NOT ZONED FOR HOMELESS SHELTERS, IF IT'S AN EMERGENCY, IF WE WANT TO PUT A SHELTER UP THERE, INCLUDING PARKING LOTS. 
          UM, WHY DON'T, WHY DON'T WE PUT, WHAT IF WE PUT IN PERENS AFTER PLANNING AND ZONING SUBJECT TO CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL? I WAS THINKING, AND THAT COULD WORK TOO, ERIC, AND, BUT I WAS THINKING MAYBE ADDING A PARAGRAPH NOTWITHSTANDING THE PREVIOUS PARAGRAPH, THE LOCATION FOR ANY HOMELESS SHELTER PURSUANT TO THIS ORDINANCE WOULD BE THE DISCRETION OF CITY COUNCIL, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          AND DO WHAT, WHATEVER THE COUNCIL PREFERS. 
          BUT WE CAN DO ADJUSTMENTS. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE, I'M FINE WITH DYLAN'S PROPOSAL WITH DYLAN'S. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THE FOCUS IS ON EMERGING SHELTERS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND IT JUST FOCUSES ON THE LOCATION. 
          OKAY. 
          GREAT. 
          THANKS DYLAN. 
          THANKS, COUNSEL. 
          AND CAN I ASK THEM THAT, UH, ORDINANCE SECTION ONE IS FINDINGS SECTION TWO IS MAYBE NOT THERE, . 
          SO, SO IT GO JUMPS TO SECTION THREE THEN? YES. 
          LET'S DO IT SECTION TWO AND THEN RENU 3, 4, 5, 6, JUST ALL THE WAY DOWN. 
          IT, IT LOOKS LIKE SECTION TWO IS EMBEDDED WITHIN BULLET D OF, UM, THREE IN FINDINGS. 
          MM. 
          YEP. 
          IT'S A, A FORMATTING ERROR. 
          I SEE IT. 
          YEP. 
          OH, THERE IT'S, YOU SEE THE MAYOR? YEAH, IT, IT'S IN THE FIRST LINE. 
          SORRY ABOUT THAT COUNSEL. 
          IT'S IN THE FIRST LINE OF D IT'S SECTION TWO COUNCIL INPUT QUESTIONS. 
          I MEAN, AT THIS TIME THEN LET'S MOVE TO, UH, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          AND, UM, I HAVE, UH, UH, TWO CARDS. 
          AND I'D LIKE TO ASK THE CLERK IF WE HAVE COMMENTARY FROM, UM, ONLINE MAYOR, WE RECEIVE NO PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND, UM, LET'S GO TO OUR MODERATOR AND ASK THE ZOOM AUDIENCE FOR PARTICIPATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. MAYOR. 
          MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ATTENDING IN PERSON SHOULD BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE. 
          SO. 
          MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ATTENDING ONLINE WHO WISH TO SPEAK TO AN ITEM, UM, SHOULD RAISE THEIR VIRTUAL HAND OR PRESS STAR NINE IF PARTICIPATING BY PHONE. 
          MR. MAYOR, AT THIS POINT, WE DO NOT HAVE ANYONE VIRTUALLY WITH THEIR HAND RAISED. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UH, WE DO HAVE IN-HOUSE FOLKS, SO I'D LIKE TO INVITE A APPEAR PETER CHERIF TO BE FOLLOWED BY ROBERT HANSSEN TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IT SEEMS THAT HOMELESSNESS HAS, UH, MORPHED INTO QUITE AN INDUSTRY. 
          I'VE SEEN PRESENTATIONS SINCE 1995 AND THINGS CONTINUE ESCALATING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION. 
          AND TALK IS CHEAP. 
          PERHAPS A SPIRITUAL RESPONSE AS YOU DO UNTO THE LEAST OF ME, YOU DO UNTO YOURSELVES. 
          THAT WAS ALWAYS ABOUT THE ANIMALS. 
          AND I AM PETER, AND I'M ASKING ALL SPIRIT PRAYER WARRIORS TO FOCUS THIS EVENING BETWEEN 10:11 PM ON THESE TOPICS FOR AN ANSWER TO CALL FORTH TRUE SPIRIT PRAYER AND TO ACTION WARRIORS. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY. 
          AS OPPOSED TO, UH, MEN ORDAINED BY WORLDLY MEN WHO MAINTAIN WILLFUL BLINDNESS, HOME FREE NEED, PURPOSEFUL WORK, AND SOME LOVE AND A LITTLE BIT OF KINDNESS. 
          IN THE MID NINETIES, I WAS FORTUNATE TO WORK WITH TWO NAVY VETS, BOTH NAMED PAUL ON THE HOMELESS MENTOR PROGRAM, WHERE WE, UH, REQUIRED THAT, UH, INTERESTED PARTIES PUT FORTH 20 HOURS A WEEK TO THE CITY REGARDING HO UH, UH, UH, SWEEPING OR CLEANING OR MAKING PLANTER BOXES, HELPING THE SENIORS, WHATEVER IT WAS IN EXCHANGE FOR A PLACE TO BE. 
          I'D WORKED OUT, UH, HALF PRICE, UH, UH, AVAILABILITIES AT HOTELS AND OFF SEASON, AND IT JUST WASN'T MEANT TO BE. 
          IT WAS A GOOD IDEA. 
          BUT GOOD IDEAS DON'T ALWAYS PAN OUT. 
          THIS IS NOT AN EASY TOPIC. 
          SO, THE SHELTER CRISIS, IT SEEMS THAT, UH, A LOT OF OUR LOCAL TRAILER PARK RESIDENTS MAY FIND THEMSELVES HOMELESS SOON ENOUGH. 
          AND IF A PERSON BECOMES UNABLE TO PAY THEIR RENT, THEY'RE USUALLY KICKED OUT IN FOUR TO SIX MONTHS TO EXTRICATE THEM. 
          THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES. 
          AND WHEREAS IF WE ALL SIMPLY, UH, WITHDREW OUR RENT 
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MONIES FROM THIS PREDATOR CLASS OF BANKERS AND LAWYERS, UH, THAT ARE BEHIND EVERY WAR, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC, UH, WERE THE ONES WHO BECOME MAJESTIC. 
          EH, I'D LIKE TO REMIND YOU, THERE WAS A FELLOW NAMED HARRY BRIDGES BACK IN THE DAY, 1934, GENERAL STRUCK THE, THE, THE SHIPS. 
          AND THEY WENT FROM MORE FRATS TO BEING LORDS TO THE DOCKS. 
          SO MAYBE IT'S TIME FOR, UH, THE INMATES. 
          SO SINCE MARTIN LUTHER KING SAID ONE MAN WRONGFULLY INCARCERATED, SO ARE WE ALL. 
          SO WE'RE ALL A BUNCH OF INMATES PRETENDING OTHERWISE, IT'S TIME FOR THE INMATES TO TAKE OVER THE ASYLUM AND THE AFFORDABILITY OF RENTS BE COMMENSURATE TO THE AMERICAN INGENUITY AND THE STRIKING BY ALL THE RENTERS. 
          AND MAY THE SPIRIT OPEN HEARTS AND MINDS SEVERING OUR TIES TO THIS WILLFUL BLINDNESS. 
          LET IT BE FOR THOSE WHO PRAY TO PRAY TOGETHER FOR GUIDANCE AND COURAGE. 
          WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE WE CAN PUT TENTS AND TEEPEES AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS TOGETHER WITH GARDEN PROJECTS. 
          THERE'S SO MANY OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE BEING COMPLETELY IGNORED IN FAVOR OF WHAT I DON'T KNOW. 
          BUT WE WITHHOLD OUR RENTS AND WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO, YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND OUR NEXT SPEAKER, ROBERT HANSSEN. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          LET'S TRY THIS ONE MORE TIME. 
          MY POST OFFICE IS CLOSED NOW, 14 HOURS A DAY BECAUSE THE PUBLIC WAS USING THE POST OFFICE AS A BATHROOM RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. 
          WE HAVE BOTH MEN AND WOMEN BATHROOM IN THE PARK, WHICH ARE LOCKED ALL NIGHT. 
          THE PROBLEM COULD BE SOLVED. 
          SIR, I'M JUST PAUSING YOU REAL QUICK. 
          JUST TO REMIND YOU TO STAY ON TOPIC. 
          HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE HOMELESS. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, I AM TALKING ABOUT THE HOMELESS. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT THEY'RE USING OUR BATH. 
          PLEASE CONTINUE. 
          THEY'RE USING OUR POLICE OFFICE AS A BATHROOM. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. 
          WE HAVE BATHROOMS THAT ARE LOCKED ALL NIGHT. 
          THE PROBLEM COULD BE SOLVED IF WE KEEP THE BATHROOMS OPEN. 
          THE MOST BASIC AMENITIES TO OUR COMMUNITY ARE BATHROOMS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. 
          WE'VE GOT OPEN MEN AND WOMEN BATHROOMS THAT ARE LOCKED ALL NIGHT. 
          EITHER THAT OR WILL THE CITY COUNCIL SUBSIDIZE HALF OF MY P O BOX RENTAL AND HALF OF THE PO BOX RENTAL FOR EVERY PO BOX HOLDER WHO IS NOW DENIED ACCESS TO OUR MAIL, 14 HOURS A DAY. 
          I DON'T THINK IT'S ASKING TOO MUCH TO KEEP THOSE BATHROOMS OPEN IN THE PARK ALL NIGHT LONG FOR OUR CITIZENS. 
          IT'S VERY SIMPLE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THAT CLOSES OUR, UM, UM, THAT CLOSES OUR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM FOR THE EVENING. 
          AND, UM, I'D LIKE TO BRING IT BACK UP TO COUNCIL FOR ANY, UH, COMMENTS OR MOTIONS. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER OSA CAME, I'LL, UH, MAKE THE MOTION THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          VERY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          I'LL SECOND THAT AND THE SECOND BY CATER THOMPSON COMMENT, UH, FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY. 
          AND JUST TO CONFIRM, THIS INCLUDES THE MODIFICATIONS FROM, UH, FROM MR. BRADY. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND THAT LANGUAGE, THE PROPOSED IS IN RED ABOVE. 
          AND, AND I'D LIKE TO ASK THE MO MAKER OF THE MOTION TO CONFIRM THAT IF THIS AMENDMENT IS, THAT IS ACCEPTABLE. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THAT SECOND? YES. 
          GOOD, GOOD. 
          AND, UH, NO OTHER COMMENTS FOR THIS ITEM, UH, BUT MINE, AND I JUST WANT TO COMMEND STAFF ON THE USE OF ITS CRI, UH, CRISIS, UM, ORDINANCE, UH, UH, RESOLUTION TO DATE. 
          UH, THE ACHIEVEMENTS THAT WE'VE HAD IN HAVING THE TINY VILLAGE ACHIEVE IN MONTERO AND, UH, EVEN IN THE MOBILE HOME PARK EFFORT HAS BEEN NOTABLE. 
          NOTABLE BECAUSE, UM, ESPECIALLY WITH MONTERO, WE NEED THE PERMANENT SUPPORT, SUPPORTIVE HOUSING. 
          WE NEED ADDRESS OF, UH, PEOPLE'S SUBSTANCE ABUSE PROBLEMS, THEIR MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEMS. HOUSING IS WHERE IT STARTS. 
          BUT THOSE SERVICES AND GETTING THIS CRISIS ORDINANCE THROUGH AND GETTING US, UM, ELIGIBLE FOR STATE FUNDINGS FOR THOSE, UH, STEPS FORWARD IS WHAT'S CHANGING OUR HOMELESSNESS SITUATION. 
          SO, UH, WITHIN ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBERS, BARNACLE AYE. 
          CATER THOMPSON? YES. 
          KEELEY? YES. 
          NOW? YES. 
          OSA K? YES. 
          REBS? YES. 
          MAYOR MCDONALD? YES. 
          MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          THANKS, COUNSEL. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          STAFF. 
          UH, THE, UM, NEXT ITEM, UM, IS THE ONE THAT WE TABLED FROM PG AND E AND MOVING DOWN TO THE NEXT, NEXT IS, UH, THE RESOLUTION DECLARING THE CITY OF PETALUMA'S INTENTION TO RENEW THE PETALUMA'S PETALUMA TOURISM IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT, 
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WHICH WILL COLLECT A TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY TAX OF 2% OF ROOM RATES FROM LOCAL HOTEL STAYS TO PAY FOR MARKETING AND PROMOTION EXPENSES TO INCREASE HOTEL STAYS IN PETALUMA. 
          AND, UH, TO HELP US, UH, WITH THIS ITEM, WE HAVE INGRID VERDE, OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND OPEN GOVERNMENT DIRECTOR. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          I'M GONNA TAKE JUST A MINUTE AND LET MY COMPUTER, UM, WAKE BACK UP AND GET A POWERPOINT. 
          OKAY. 
          STARTING OVER. 
          HOLD ON ONE MORE TIME. 
          THANK YOU TO OUR CRACK TEAM FOR GETTING US BACK ON TARGET HERE AGAIN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UM, INGRID AL VERDE, DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND OPEN GOVERNMENT. 
          I'M REALLY HERE TO INTRODUCE MARIE MCCUSKER, OUR FEARLESS LEADER OF THE PETALUMA DOWNTOWN ASSOCIATION, AND THE PETALUMA TOURISM IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT. 
          UH, SHE WILL BE PRESENTING, UM, TONIGHT SORT OF A SNAPSHOT OF WHAT THE TOURISM DISTRICT IS, WHAT IT'S DONE OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS, AND, UM, WALK YOU THROUGH A REQUEST, UM, A SELF ELECTED REQUEST BY OUR HOTELIERS TO CONTINUE THE TOURISM DISTRICT. 
          JUST AS A LITTLE BACKGROUND, THE, THE TOURISM DISTRICT IS A MECHANISM WHERE HOTELIERS CAN SELF-ASSESS, UH, AN ADDITIONAL TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY TAX, IN THIS CASE, AN ADDITIONAL 2%, UM, TO, UM, RAISE REVENUES TO SPEND ON, UH, PRIMARILY MARKETING PETALUMA AS A DESTINATION TO INCREASE, UM, VISITOR STAY HERE LOCALLY. 
          UM, THE, UM, TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY TAX THAT IS COLLECTED BY THE, THE DISTRICT IS IN ADDITION TO A 2% TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY TAX THAT IS ALSO CHARGED LOCALLY. 
          THAT GOES TO A COUNTYWIDE, UM, DISTRICT THAT WORKS, UM, IN A VERY SIMILAR MANNER FOR MARKETING, BUT AT A COUNTY-WIDE LEVEL. 
          AND THEN A 10% TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY TAX THAT'S COLLECTED AND STAYS WITH THE CITY, UM, AND IS SPENT ON A VARIETY OF, UM, SERVICES HERE WITH THE CITY OF PETALUMA. 
          SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA INVITE MARIE TO COME UP. 
          SHE'S GOT A PRESENTATION HERE, AND I WILL, I WILL DRIVE FOR YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING, MAYOR MCDONALD AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND CITY MANAGER. 
          UM, THANK YOU FOR, UM, PUTTING US ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT. 
          UM, IT'S MY PLEASURE TO BRING THE RENEWAL, THE PROPOSED, UM, RENEWAL OF THE, UH, P TOURISM IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT. 
          UM, AS INGRID JUST, UM, GAVE YOU AN OVERLAY IS, UM, SOMETHING THAT WE WORKED ON IN 2018 WITH THE HOTELIERS. 
          UM, TONIGHT I HAVE KIRK LOCK, PAULINE WOODS, SEAN MARSDEN, AND MAX CHILDS WITH US TONIGHT THAT ARE, UM, HOTEL OWNERS AND MANAGERS WHO IN PETALUMA. 
          AND I ALSO HAVE, UM, CARSON LAMBETH FROM CITAS, WHO WAS THE ORIGINAL, UM, PERSON THAT WE WORKED WITH AS A CONSULTANT WHO ESTABLISHED THE, THE DISTRICT IN 2018. 
          SO THEY'RE ABLE TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS, AND I THINK SOME OF 'EM WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT LATER ON WHEN THEY GET A CHANCE IN PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          BASICALLY, I WILL TRY AND GET YOU THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION PRETTY QUICKLY. 
          UM, IT'S A BIT OF A WHIRLWIND, IT'S AN ANNUAL REPORT, BUT IT'S ALSO AN OVERVIEW OF THE LAST FOUR AND A HALF YEARS OF THE PET TOURISM IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT, AS INGRID MENTIONED. 
          UM, IN 2018, WE CREATED THIS PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE CITY, UM, THE PET DOWNTOWN ASSOCIATION, WHICH ALSO OVERSEES THE PET UH, VISITORS PROGRAM AND THE MING ASSOCIATION. 
          AT THAT TIME, THERE WERE THE HOTELIERS CREATED A NEW NONPROFIT CALLED THE P MING ASSOCIATION. 
          SO IT'S NOT ACTUALLY OWNED BY THE DOWNTOWN ASSOCIATION OR THE VISITORS PROGRAM. 
          IT'S OWNED BY THE PETAL LODGING ASSOCIATION, WHICH ARE HOTELIER, AND ON THAT BOARD ONLY HOTELIERS SIT ON THOSE SEATS. 
          WE, AS THE VISITORS PROGRAM, FACILITATE THE MEETINGS OF THE P L A, WHICH ARE EVERY TWO MONTHS. 
          AND THEY DO ALL THE VOTING ON, UM, THE BUSINESS OF THE P T I D. 
          THE P T I D IS COLLECTED INDEPENDENTLY BY, UM, A BOOKKEEPER BOOKKEEPING SERVICE. 
          AND THAT BOOKKEEPING SERVICE, UM, COLLECTS ALL THE FUNDS PAYS, UM, AS YOU WOULD GO THROUGH IN THE ASSESSMENT DISTRICT. 
          UM, THERE'S A, A MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, UM, THERE'S A MANAGEMENT DEVELOPMENT FUNDS THAT GO TO THE CITY. 
          AND THEN THE REST, SOME MONEY STAYS IN THE P T I D AND THE REST GOES TO THE VISITORS PROGRAM TO MANAGE THE MARKETING, UM, OF PETALUMA. 
          SO, UM, THE T I D REQUIRES 
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EACH LODGING, UM, PROPERTY WITH 10 ROOMS OR MORE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS TO COLLECT THE 2% ASSESSMENT ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS. 
          WE DON'T COLLECT, UM, ANY ASSESSMENTS FROM, UH, AIRBNBS. 
          THE CITY DOES COLLECT FROM AIRBNBS IN THEIR 10%, BUT WE DON'T INCLUDE THEM IN OUR ASSESSMENT DISTRICT. 
          THE ASSESSMENT, UM, ASSESSMENT FUNDS ARE USED TO FUND MARKETING AND PROMOTIONAL EFFORTS THAT PROVIDE DIRECT BENEFIT TO THE PAYERS IN OF THE ASSESSMENT DISTRICT TO INCREASE OVERNIGHT STAYS. 
          UM, IT GIVES US A STABLE FUNDING SOURCE FOR TOURISM MARKETING, AND SO THAT WE CAN COMPETE EFFECTIVELY WITH ALL THE OTHER, UM, CITIES IN SONOMA COUNTY, WHICH THERE ARE MANY, UM, THERE'S MANY MORE HOTELS IN SONOMA COUNTY. 
          WE ONLY HAVE 10. 
          SO, UM, WE'RE SMALL. 
          MOST OF OUR HOTELS DON'T NECESSARILY COMPETE WITH EACH OTHER. 
          THERE'S QUITE A DIVERSE GROUP, UM, OF HOTELS AND VARIETY. 
          UM, AGAIN, THE CITY, IT, THE MARKETING MONEY ENHANCES THE CITY, UM, VISITORS EXPERIENCE, BUT MOST OF THOSE EXPERIENCES ARE FROM THE OTHER BUSINESS. 
          HOSPITALITY BUSINESSES ARE HERE IN PETALUMA. 
          MOST PEOPLE DON'T COME JUST TO STAY IN A HOTEL. 
          THEY COME TO, UM, VISIT OUR CITY, OUR HISTORIC, UM, DOWNTOWN, OUR ADOBE, UM, THE FOODIE CULTURE THAT'S HERE, THE CRAFT BEER AND WINE, THE ACCESS TO THE COAST, AND ALSO TO THE WINE COUNTRY. 
          PEOPLE CHOOSE THE STORIES AND THE AMPLIFIED STORYTELLING THAT WE DO TO GET PEOPLE'S EYES ON PETALUMA. 
          THEY THEN CHOOSE TO STAY IN THE HOTELS THAT THEY CAN, UM, EXPERIENCE AND ENJOY OUR DOWNTOWN OR OUR CITY IN, IN OVERALL. 
          BASICALLY, IT GENERATES OVERNIGHT STAYS, WHICH IN, IN, UM, INCREASES YOUR T O T TAX. 
          UM, AND THE CITY'S GENERAL FUND FOR EVERY $1 THAT'S SPENT, UM, BY VISITORS, UM, IN HOTELS, EACH VISITOR SPEND $3 MORE AT A LOCAL BUSINESS IN RETAIL AND, AND RESTAURANTS. 
          WE KNOW THAT, UH, WE HAVE SOME GREAT RESTAURANTS HERE. 
          THEY ARE DURING THE WEEK. 
          UM, TOURISM IS A BIG THING FOR THEM. 
          TOURISTS ACTUALLY EAT OUT EVERY NIGHT WHEN THEY'RE IN OUR HOTELS. 
          SO IF WE ARE BUSY, OUR HO OUR RESTAURANTS ARE BUSY AND THEY SHOP IN OUR RETAIL. 
          SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO KEEP IT GOING AROUND. 
          THIS IS A REALLY DIFFICULT SLIDE, . 
          IT DIDN'T TRANSLATE VERY WELL, BUT I TRIED. 
          I WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE ORGANIZATION CHART. 
          SO OVER ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS THE, THE P L A BOARD, WHICH OVERSEES THE P T I D FUNDS IN THAT, UM, I NEED PUT MY OWN GLASSES ON TO READ IT. 
          UM, THOSE FUNDS GO TO SUPPORT VISITOR CENTER OPERATIONS. 
          UH, WE HAVE FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY OVER THE, UH, THE VISTA CENTER. 
          UM, AND THEN WE ALSO FACILITATE THE P L A BOARD IN THAT. 
          BUT THE STAFF, STAFF AND VOLUNTEERS ARE COVERED UNDER IT. 
          UH, PROGRAM MANAGEMENT. 
          UM, WE WORK WITH THE E D B ON GATHERING RESEARCH SO THAT WE CAN TARGET EFFECTIVELY. 
          AND ALSO ALONG WITH SONOMA COUNTY TOURISM, WE ALSO WRITE GRANTS. 
          WE'VE DONE NUMEROUS GRANTS TO SUPPORT THE LOCATION OF THE DEPOT WE'VE HAD. 
          WE'VE DONE LANDSCAPING GRANTS, WAYFINDING GRANTS, WE GOT THE BUILDING PAINTED, ALL THOSE THINGS WE MANAGED TO DO OUTSIDE OF ANY CITY FUNDING. 
          UM, WE ALSO, UM, WORKED WITH FAM TOURS. 
          WE, BEFORE COVID, WE WERE VERY, VERY BUSY WITH BRINGING FAM TOURS IN. 
          WE HAD THEM FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD. 
          THEY'RE STARTING TO BUILD BACK UP AGAIN. 
          UM, YOU'LL GET 10, 15, 20 TRAVEL WRITERS FROM DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE WORLD COME AND WE THEN SHOW THEM THE PET LIMITER EXPERIENCE. 
          AND AS TO WHY TO, YOU KNOW, TO WRITE ABOUT US AND TO WHY TO BUY TRAVEL IN OUR AREA. 
          WE DO THE MARKETING AND PUBLIC RELATIONS. 
          WE WORK WITH, UM, SAN FRANCISCO, SAN FRANCISCO TRAVEL AND VISIT CALIFORNIA. 
          WE PITCH TO THEM, UM, STORY IDEAS ALL THE TIME OF, AGAIN, THE WONDERFUL BUSINESSES THAT WE GET TO, UM, TO WRITE ABOUT. 
          WE DON'T, WE DON'T CREATE IT. 
          WE ACTUALLY HAVE THOSE STORIES RIGHT IN OUR HANDS. 
          AND WE DO A LOT OF DIGITAL MARKETING. 
          MOST OF OUR MONEY IS SPENT IN TRYING TO GET PEOPLE THAT YOU ARE, WE'RE NOT MARKETING LOCALLY. 
          WE'RE MARKETING OUTSIDE TO FLIGHT AND DRIVE MARKETS SO THAT THEY COME AND SPEND, UM, A COUPLE OF NIGHTS IN OUR HOTELS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND ALSO HAVING A, A VERY ROBUST, UM, ACTUALLY THAT'S, THAT'S THE WRONG LAST SLIDE. 
          BUT ANYWAY, I'M GONNA SAY THAT THIS IS THE WRONG SLIDE. 
          IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE DIFFERENT ONE. 
          IT'S IN YOUR, UM, YOUR SEE IN YOUR MANAGEMENT, UM, DISTRICT PLAN, WHICH IS THE ONE THAT'S SUBMITTED IN THE STAFF REPORT. 
          THE NEW GRAPH IS ACTUALLY THIS ONE THAT'S IN THERE. 
          AND I DUNNO HOW THAT DIDN'T SWAP OUT. 
          SO BASICALLY, UH, THE ORIGINAL ALLOCATION WAS 660,000. 
          WE NOW PICTURED AT 680,000. 
          SO IT JUST INCREASES 
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THOSE FUNDS, UM, BY 20,000 AND THEN DISTRIBUTES THEM BETWEEN THOSE PERCENTAGES. 
          SO BASICALLY, UM, WE ACTUALLY, UM, WHEN WE COLLECT THIS MONEY, 3% GOES TO THE CITY FOR ADMIN. 
          17% GOES TO THE CITY FOR, UM, THE DES DEVELOPMENT DESTINATION DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND THAT 17% IS, UM, OUTLINED IN YOUR, UM, YOUR, UM, MANAGEMENT DISTRICT PLAN HERE. 
          UM, AND IT'S DEDICATED TO DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS THAT WERE DESIGNED TO IMPROVE THE VISITOR EXPERIENCE IN AN EFFORT TO INCREASE OVERNIGHT VISITATION, ASSESSED LODGING BUSINESSES IN THE PAST. 
          UM, WE WERE ABLE TO WORK WITH THE CITY IN PARTNERSHIP IN CREATING, UM, FUNDING FOR THE DOWNTOWN STREETS TEAM, UM, THAT WENT ON TO BE FUNDED INDEPENDENTLY THROUGH OTHER FUNDS. 
          SO THEY ARE CREATIVE FUNDINGS THAT ACTUALLY BENEFIT THE CITY. 
          AND, UM, LODGING IN A NOT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ABOUT MAKING THINGS PRETTY, THEY'RE ABOUT, UM, HELPING, UM, SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LESS FORTUNATE IN OUR CITY. 
          WE DO HAVE GRAFFITI ISSUES. 
          WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE NEW PROGRAM, REBUILDING TOGETHER, HOPEFULLY BEING, USING SOME OF THOSE FUNDS IF THEY WEREN'T AVAILABLE. 
          SO IT'S REALLY SOMETHING THAT THE CITY AND THE P L A, UM, WANTED TO WRITE INTO OUR ASSESSMENT DISTRICT. 
          IT'S NOT EVERY DISTRICT DOESN'T HAVE THAT, BUT WE FELT THAT 20% SHOULD GO BACK TO THE CITY TO BE ABLE TO DO THESE CREATIVE PROGRAMS, UM, THAT SUPPORT EVERYONE IN PETALUMA. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO THIS IS REALLY JUST AN OVERVIEW OF THE CITIES IN THE COUNTY AND WHERE THEY ARE IN THEIR COLLECTIONS. 
          SO AS YOU CAN SEE, WE ARE PRETTY MUCH, UM, MAXED WITH EVERYONE ELSE. 
          SONOMA CITY OF SONOMA, UM, AS AT 15%. 
          AND THEY DON'T PAY INTO THE SONOMA COUNTY TOURISM. 
          AND THE ONLY OTHER, UM, CITY THAT DOESN'T PAY IN IS HILLSBURG, AND THEY'RE THE TWO MOST HIGHEST, UM, TAX ONE AT 16% AND ONE AT 15. 
          UM, SO THIS SLIDE TELLS US ABOUT HOW MUCH WE'VE COLLECTED SINCE 2019 TO DECEMBER OF 22. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, WE WERE DOING WELL IN THE FIRST YEAR. 
          IN THAT FIRST YEAR, WE WERE ABLE TO, UM, WE ASKED THE CITY TO TRUST US THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY, UM, INCREASE THE T O T TAX, UM, IF WE WORKED HARD AND THEN REINVESTED IN THE CITY. 
          SO IN THAT FIRST YEAR, WE ACTUALLY WERE ABLE TO, UM, INCREASE THE T O T FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR BY 335,000, UH, 633. 
          THAT WAS THE 10% THAT THE CITY GETS. 
          SO THAT, THAT INCREASED BY, YOU KNOW, OVER $335,000. 
          WE WERE ABLE TO GIVE BACK THE MONEY THAT WE WERE ORIGINALLY BEING FUNDED BY, WHICH WAS 248,000. 
          WE NO LONGER NEEDED THAT. 
          WE WERE ABLE TO GIVE THAT BACK TO THE CITY. 
          AND THEN WE WERE ABLE TO GIVE THE CITY 112,768 FOR DESTINATION DEVELOPMENT PLANS, WHICH WAS 3% AND 17% FOR A TOTAL OF 397,000. 
          SO IN THAT FIRST YEAR, WE WERE ABLE TO SHOW THAT PARTNERSHIP AND TRUSTING US TO PUT AN ASSESSMENT DISTRICT TOGETHER WAS BENEFICIAL FOR ALL. 
          NO ONE KNEW COVID WAS AROUND THE CORNER, AND THE NEXT YEAR WE WERE HIT REALLY HARD. 
          SO, UM, WE, WE WENT THROUGH A PERIOD OF TIME WHERE HOTELS WERE SHUT. 
          WE HAD TO GET CREATIVE, AND WE HAD TO WORK REALLY HARD WITH OUR PARTNERS TO SHOW THAT SONOMA COUNTY WAS A SAFE PLACE TO BE. 
          WE WORKED WITH SONOMA COUNTY TOURISM AND VISIT CALIFORNIA REALLY HARD TO SHOW THAT PIMA WAS A SAFE PLACE. 
          UM, IF YOU COULD WORK FROM ANYWHERE, PEDALING WAS A GREAT PLACE TO BE. 
          UH, WE HAD TO CHANGE ALL OF OUR MARKETING, ALL OF OUR IMAGERY, BECAUSE WE HAD TO HAVE MASKS. 
          WE HAD TO EAT OUTSIDE. 
          WE WORKED WITH THE CITY ON ALL THE APARTMENT PROGRAMS. IT WAS A REALLY CREATIVE TIME. 
          WE HAD TO LOOK AT THE RIGHT KIND OF MESSAGING. 
          SO WE WENT DOWN, WE CLOSED THE CENTER. 
          THERE WAS MYSELF AND ANOTHER PERSON, AND WE WORKED BEHIND THE SCENES WORKING WITH BUSINESSES ACROSS THE CITY AND WITH THE CITY. 
          REALLY, WE WERE INCREDIBLE PARTNERS AND STILL ARE TO BE ABLE TO GET US THROUGH THAT TIME. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE THAT WE STILL WERE ABLE, UM, WITH AN AMAZING PARTNERSHIP WITH OUR HOTELS THAT WERE THERE, YOU KNOW, HOUSING, THE, THE FIRE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PEOPLE THAT WERE HERE, THE ALL KINDS OF TEAMS. SO, UM, WE GOT THROUGH THAT TIME BECAUSE WE HAD A FIRE AT THAT TIME TOO. 
          SO, UM, I THINK WE DID REALLY WELL. 
          AND IF WE HADN'T HAD THESE FUNDS, I'M NOT SURE WHERE WE WOULD'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH 
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THAT TIME. 
          UM, BASICALLY WE HAVE A COUPLE INITIATIVES. 
          NUMBER ONE IS THAT WE OPERATE THE VISITOR CENTER SEVEN DAYS A WEEK IN THAT WE HAVE, UM, SIX PART, UH, PART-TIME VOLUN, UH, WORKERS AND A FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE, NINE VOLUNTEERS, AND A SHARED EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, WHICH IS MYSELF. 
          UM, MARY ARDIS IS HERE TONIGHT. 
          SHE'S ACTUALLY MY FULL-TIME WORKER AND ON THE VISITOR CENTER. 
          UM, OUR JOB IS TO GREET THE WALK-IN, UM, VISITORS. 
          UM, MAN, THE PHONES, UM, LOTS OF ONLINE INQUIRIES. 
          WE HAVE LOTS OF, EACH WEEK WE HAVE HUNDREDS OF VISITORS GUIDES THAT GO OUT. 
          AND IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN OUR VISITORS GUIDE, IT'S, WE'RE REALLY PROUD OF IT. 
          IT'S REALLY RATHER BEAUTIFUL. 
          UM, AND WE ALSO ARE VERY MUCH THE P FIRST LINE FOR SMART TRAIN. 
          UM, WE ARE, THEY THINK WE'RE THE SMART STATION, SO IT COMES WITH A TERRITORY, BUT WE ACTUALLY SEE IT. 
          IT'S NICE TO SEE A LOT MORE PEOPLE TRAVELING, A LOT MORE INTERNATIONAL TRAVEL. 
          UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE OPTIMISTIC ABOUT HOW THIS IS GOING IN THE FUTURE. 
          WE DO CAPTURE THE DEMOGRAPHICS, UM, FOR DATA FOR THE COUNTY AND FOR OURSELVES. 
          WE PROMOTE THE HOTELS. 
          WE'LL MAKE RESERVATIONS IF PEOPLE WALK IN. 
          WE HELP PEOPLE FIND RESTAURANTS. 
          WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE TASTING ROOMS. WE'LL SEND THEM UP THE CORRIDOR TO THE OTHER WINERIES THAT SHOULD THERE BE WHAT THEY NEED. 
          AND, UM, WE, WE KNOW THAT IF PEOPLE COME HERE, THEY'RE GONNA GO TO OTHER AREAS, BUT WE HOPE THAT THEY'LL CHOOSE PETALUMA AS THEIR FIRST CHOICE OF STAY. 
          WE ALSO PR UM, MAINTAIN THE BUILDING AND THE GROUND, THE THE GROUNDS. 
          NEXT ONE, INGRID. 
          OUR MESSAGE REALLY IS THAT WE ARE JUST NOW NORTH OF SAN FRANCISCO. 
          UM, PETALUMA IS NESTLED. 
          UM, IT'S A RIVER TOWN. 
          IT HAS THE FARMLANDS. 
          WE HAVE AGRITOURISM, AND WE'RE NOT FAR FROM THE COASTLINE. 
          UM, WE'RE HOMETOWN U S A, WE'RE SOPHISTICATED. 
          WE'VE GOT THE WINE COUNTRY AND WE HAVE LOTS TO SHARE WITH YOU. 
          OUR METHODS ARE DIGITAL MARKETING. 
          WE DO HAVE A DIGITAL MARKETING AGENCY CALLED MADDEN. 
          AND WE, IF WE HAD TO PUT THAT EXPERIENCE IN HOUSE, IT WOULD BE VERY EXPENSIVE. 
          SO WE DO USE AN AGENCY FOR THAT. 
          WE MAINTAIN A, A WEBSITE. 
          WE CREATE VIDEOS AND E-BLASTS. 
          WE CREATE THE VISTA MAGAZINE. 
          WE DO PRINT MEDIA WHERE IT'S APPROPRIATE. 
          WE DO A LOT OF SOCIAL MEDIA. 
          WE HAVE VERY ROBUST SOCIAL MEDIA HANDLES, AND WE DO THE PUBLIC RELATIONS. 
          SO THIS IS LOTS OF TALK ABOUT SEARCH ENGINE MARKETING, WHICH I WON'T BORE YOU WITH, BUT MOST OF YOU WILL KNOW THAT WITHOUT IT, UM, YOU KNOW, NOTHING REALLY THAT GOOGLE IS WORKING HARD FOR YOU. 
          SO, UM, THIS IS WHERE WE RELY ON OUR AGENCIES TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE REPRESENTING US WITH OUR PROPER ADWORDS, UM, TO BE ABLE TO ADD, YOU KNOW, UH, VALUE TO OUR MARKETING EFFORTS. 
          IT DRIVES TRAFFIC TO OUR WEBSITE. 
          UM, OUR, OUR CLICK-THROUGH RATE'S VERY GOOD. 
          UM, 12.55% IS THE NORMAL AVERAGE IS 4.68. 
          SO WE'RE PRETTY PROUD THAT WE'RE DOING SOMETHING RIGHT. 
          WE DO A LOT OF GOOGLE AD CAMPAIGNS, UM, AND SERVED OVER 7.4 MILLION IMPRESSIONS AND PROSPECTING ADS, UH, DESIGNED TO DRIVE NEW TRAFFIC TO OUR WEBSITE. 
          THERE'S SOME EXAMPLES OF SOME OF THE ADS. 
          SO THIS, AGAIN, JUST CREATIVE EXECUTIONS. 
          IT CHANGES. 
          WE WANT TO BE FRESH, NEW CONTENT. 
          SO, UM, WE HAVE TO INVEST MONEY INTO HAVING THE RIGHT KIND OF PHOTOGRAPHY, GIVING THE RIGHT MESSAGES OVER, YOU KNOW, OUT THERE, BICYCLING, EATING OUT, UH, THE RIVER. 
          WE'VE GOT SOME GREAT ART. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE'S RICKY WATTS UP IN THE RIGHT HAND CORNER. 
          UM, AND THAT WE ALS ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE THE GAP HERE AND THAT WE ARE AT A GROWING WINE AREA. 
          SO, UM, WE CON CONSTANTLY HAVE TO DO, HAVE FRESH CONTENT. 
          UM, FACEBOOK AND INSTAGRAM AD CAMPAIGNS, DRIVE WEBSITE TRAFFIC. 
          WE WERE ABLE TO INCREASE OUR REACH IN 2022. 
          UH, WE HAD A 21% INCREASE IN FACEBOOK AND A 9% INCREASE IN, UM, INSTAGRAM. 
          SOME OF THE IDEAS, AGAIN, THE, OF THE MARKETING CAMPAIGNS THAT WE WERE USING, WE DO A BIWEEKLY DISTRIBUTION OF WHAT'S HAPPENING THIS WEEK, UM, TO OVER 1500 EMAIL ADDRESSES, INCLUDING HOTELS AND BUSINESSES. 
          SO THE PEOPLE ON THE FRONT DESK KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          IF YOU DON'T GET IT, YOU SHOULD, WE'LL SEND IT TO YOU AND YOU'LL KNOW EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON IN PETALUMA ON ALL SIDES. 
          UM, WE POST HUNDREDS OF EVENTS ON THE WEBSITES AND CREATE NEW AND SEASONAL STORIES ON THE WEBSITE DAILY. 
          UM, NEXT ONE, PLEASE. 
          SO OUR MESSAGING, UM, AGAIN, IS IMPORTANT TO TRAVELERS. 
          UM, WE DO HAVE AN EXCEPTIONAL LOCATION. 
          WE 
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ARE DIFFERENT. 
          WE SET OURSELVES APART FROM WHATEVER ELSE IS IN SONOMA COUNTY. 
          UM, THEY'RE SEEKING DESTINATIONS THAT ARE FUN, UH, RELAXING, AND, UM, PLACES THEY CAN ESCAPE TO. 
          WE'RE VERY AWARE THAT WE WANT TO BE, UM, WHERE WE LINE WITH SONOMA COUNTY TOURISM IN HAVING A SUSTAINABLE, SAFE TRAVEL AND ASKING PEOPLE TO LEAVE A SMALLER IMPRINT AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN. 
          SO AGAIN, WE ARE WORKING TO DR TO INCLUDE THAT MESSAGING IN OUR MESSAGE SO THAT WE ASK PEOPLE TO THINK ABOUT WHERE THEY'RE TRAVELING TO AND NOT JUST, UM, WE'RE NOT LAS VEGAS, WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PETALUMA AND WE WANT TO KEEP IT THAT WAY. 
          SO OUR PRINT MEDIA, WE'RE SELECTIVE ABOUT HOW WE, UH, WHERE WE SPEND OUR PRINT MEDIA. 
          BUT WE DO DO, UH, SOME CAMPAIGNS WITH, UM, THE CALIFORNIA ROAD TRIPS WITH, UM, VISIT PETAL VISIT CALIFORNIA. 
          UM, WE, THE GENTRY MAG GENTRY MAGAZINE. 
          WE WERE IN 7 7 0 7 MAGAZINE. 
          WE WILL SELECT, UM, PRINT MEDIA IF WE BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO GET TO THE RIGHT AUDIENCE. 
          WE DO PRODUCE OVER 60,000 ER VISTA MAGAZINES, UM, WITH THE LOCAL, ABOUT 80 LOCAL BUSINESSES ACTUALLY ARE REPRESENTED IN THAT CUSTOM CONTENT. 
          WE DISTRIBUTE THOSE MAGAZINES AT OVER 258 LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT CALIFORNIA. 
          UH, THEY'RE AT CALIFORNIA WELCOME CENTERS, SAN FRANCISCO, PIER 39, THE MOSCONE CENTER. 
          THEY'RE AT THE AIRPORTS. 
          THEY'RE IN LAKE TAHOE, THEY'RE IN SACRAMENTO. 
          THEY'RE IN HOTELS IN THE CITY AT MARIN AND SACRAMENTO. 
          UM, AND WE'VE ALSO DISTRIBUTE THEM THROUGH VISIT PETALUMA. 
          IT'S ALSO DIGITALIZED ON OUR WEBSITE. 
          SO, UM, GETTING THE MESSAGE OUT THERE IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO US. 
          OUR PARTNERSHIPS, UH, OUR TOURISM PARTNERSHIPS ARE REALLY IMPORTANT TO US. 
          AGAIN, THE PETALUMA LODGING ASSOCIATION. 
          UM, WE WORK, WE WANT TO WORK MORE CLEARLY, CLOSELY WITH THEIR, UM, SALES TEAMS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TARGETING THE RIGHT MARKETS FOR THEM. 
          UM, THE CITY AND  ARE REALLY IMPORTANT, UH, PARTNERS, SONOMA COUNTY TO HOSPITALITY, UM, ASSOCIATION. 
          THE TOURISM, SONOMA COUNTY TOURISM, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BOARD ARE A GREAT, UH, RESEARCH, UM, FOR US. 
          SMART. 
          WE'RE WORK, TRYING TO WORK WITH SMART TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK TO THEM, TOURISM HAS BECOME MORE IMPORTANT TO THEM THAN EVER BECAUSE LESS PEOPLE ARE DOING RIDERSHIP. 
          SO IT'S UP TO US TO WORK TOGETHER TO CREATE OPPORTUNITIES FOR, DO CARLESS TRAVEL FROM THE BAY AREA, AND FOR US TO DEVELOP, TRY AND WORK WITH THE CITY TO GET ON THE GROUND SERVICES SO PEOPLE CAN GET TO OUR AREA AND HAVE A REAL EXPERIENCE. 
          THE ELECTRIC BIKES UNFORTUNATELY DIDN'T MATERIALIZE. 
          HOPEFULLY WE'RE GONNA WORK AT GETTING THEM BACK ON BOARD. 
          UM, BUT ALSO TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE REST OF SONOMA COUNTY. 
          WE WORK WITH ALL THE OTHER TOURISM, UM, UH, LOCATIONS UP AND DOWN SONOMA COUNTY. 
          WE MEET REGULARLY WITH THEM TO FIND OUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING, HOW WE CAN LEARN FROM EACH OTHER, AND HOW WE CAN BENEFIT AND SUPPORT EACH OTHER. 
          WE SERVE AS A COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND INFORMATION HUB. 
          UM, WE PRODUCE, UH, SOME LOCAL EVENTS INCLUDING SEVENTH RIVER ARRIVAL. 
          WE SUPPORT THE LIGHTED BOAT PARADE. 
          WE WILL MARKET AND PUSH ALL OF YOUR EVENTS. 
          SO IF YOU, WE HAVE A VERY, UM, WELL VISITED, UH, WEBSITE. 
          THE CALENDAR'S VERY BUSY. 
          YOU CAN SUBMIT YOUR OWN, UM, CALENDAR EVENT, AND THEN WE GRAB IT AND DO SOCIAL MEDIA WITH IT. 
          WE SUPPORT COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS BY DISSEMINATING THEIR INFORMATION. 
          SO WE WILL, UM, AGAIN, INCLUDE THEM IN THE WHAT'S HAPPENING WEEKLY. 
          WE DID REDESIGN OUR GOOD. 
          THIS IS GOING FORWARD. 
          THIS IS, WE DID THIS THIS YEAR. 
          SO WE LAUNCHED A NEW WEBSITE IN APRIL, UM, WHICH, UM, LOTS OF NEW USERS, 122,000 9, 23 NEW USERS. 
          UM, TOP LANDING PAGES, AS YOU CAN SEE, HOMEPAGE, EVENTS AT A GLANCE, OUTDOOR RECREATION, RESTAURANT SHOPPING. 
          IT'S GREAT MOBILE. 
          IT WORKS REALLY WELL ON YOUR MOBILE TOO. 
          IT'S VERY INTERACTIVE. 
          AND OUTSIDE OF CALIFORNIA, THE TOP PERFORMING METRO FOR ORGANIC TRAVEL IS DALLAS, TEXAS AREA, FOLLOWED BY SEATTLE, HOUSTON, AND LAS VEGAS. 
          SO WE ARE GETTING THOSE MARKETS, THOSE MARKETS ARE FLYING INTO OUR SANTA ROSA AIRPORT, AND WE WANT THOSE TO BE, UM, WE WANT THEM TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IN PETALUMA. 
          THIS IS, UM, A NEW STRATEGIC, UH, WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE MOBILE FUSE. 
          IT'S, UM, IT'S VERY MUCH YOUR MOBILE BECAUSE 90% OF PEOPLE ARE USING THEIR, MAYBE MORE THAN 90% ARE USING THEIR, THEIR MOBILE PHONES. 
          BUT IT'S, IT ALLOW, IT'S A MINDSET THAT ALLOWS US TO, UM, LOOK AT OUR AUDIENCE AND THE META, UM, PLATFORMS AND RETARGET ANYONE THAT'S EVER BEEN HERE THAT'S IN OUR AREAS. 
          WE 
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CAN TARGET VERY STRATEGICALLY. 
          WHAT WE HAVE DONE, THIS IS JUST ONE PLATFORM. 
          THIS IS THE HOTELS. 
          IT'S THEN ANOTHER PLATFORM THAT, AND THEY'RE ALL LITTLE VIDEOS AND THEY MOVE REALLY FAST. 
          SO WHEN YOU ARE SOMEWHERE AND YOU'VE EVER BEEN HERE, YOU'RE GONNA GET ONE OF THESE THAT COME UP AND THEY'RE GONNA RUN THROUGH, AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA GET FOOD, AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA GET RECREATION, AND IT'S GONNA ALLOW YOU THEN TO BOOM STRAIGHT INTO OUR WEBSITE WHERE YOU GET THE DEEPER EXPERIENCE. 
          SO, UM, MOBILE USE IS A GREAT ASSET. 
          IT'S SOMEWHERE WHERE WE ARE GONNA BE EXPLORING A LOT THIS YEAR AND, UM, HAS GREAT CLICK-THROUGH RATES. 
          SO LOOKING TO THE FUTURE, UM, IT'S A GUARDED OPTIMISM, I SUPPOSE. 
          YOU KNOW, WE ARE ACTUALLY IN, IN A, IN A, A TIME WHERE WE'VE HAD, UH, THE LOOMING OF RECESSION INTEREST RATES ARE REALLY HIGH. 
          PEOPLE ARE GETTING OUT THERE AND GOING INTERNATIONALLY AGAIN, WHICH IS GOOD FOR US. 
          UM, SAN FRANCISCO'S NOT A GREAT DESTINATION RIGHT NOW, BUT HOPEFULLY IT WILL GET BETTER. 
          BUT WHAT I'M REALLY INSPIRED BY IS, UM, SANTA ROSA AIRPORT HAS MUCH MORE LOCATIONS. 
          I USUALLY BE MAKING THAT SMALLER, SO I CAN'T SEE IT. 
          . 
          UM, SO, UM, WE ARE A PREMIER DESTINATION. 
          OUR JOB IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE GET TO SHOUT ABOUT OUR GREAT BUSINESSES, OUR BOUTIQUES, OUR GREAT DOWNTOWN. 
          UM, WE HAVE AWARD-WINNING RESTAURANTS, AND IT'S GOT, WE HAVE SO MUCH RICH NEW, UH, LOCAL CONTENT, WHICH ALLOWS US TO DO THE MESSAGING, DO AMPLIFIED STORYTELLING, AND, UM, TO SHARE IT WITH ALL OF THOSE BIG ENGINES THAT HAVE, SONOMA COUNTY TOURISM HAS $9 MILLION. 
          WE GET TO THROW IT IN THEIR DIRECTION AND THEY CAN RUN WITH IT TOO. 
          SO, UM, BASICALLY WHAT I'M ASKING IS THAT YOU LET US CONTINUE TO DO THIS WORK AND, UM, CONTINUE THIS PARTNERSHIP BECAUSE I'M VERY, UM, GRATEFUL TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH A GREAT GROUP OF HOTELIERS. 
          AND, UM, WE WERE UNANIMOUS FIVE YEARS AGO IN HAVING ALL HOTELIERS AGREEING TO BE PART OF THIS. 
          AND AGAIN, WE ORDERED THE PETITIONS, IT WAS A UNANIMOUS DECISION TO WANT TO RUN WITH IT AGAIN. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND IF IT'S OKAY, MARIE, THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          I JUST WANNA INTERJECT IN CASE IT WASN'T CLEAR. 
          UM, THE ITEM TONIGHT IS A RESOLUTION OF INTENT. 
          UM, SORRY, I, I JUST WASN'T ABLE TO GET MY NOTES AT THE ITEM. 
          TONIGHT IS A RESOLUTION OF INTENT TO LEVY THIS, UM, THIS, UM, COLLECTION. 
          AND THEN IT WOULD BE FOLLOWED BY, UM, TWO HEARINGS AFTER THIS MEETING TONIGHT TO ACTUALLY ADOPT THE APPLICABLE RESOLUTION AND ORDINANCE THAT WOULD PUT THIS TAX INTO A EFFECT. 
          THE DISTRICT HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR FIVE YEARS, AND THE, AND WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS A 10 YEAR EXTENSION TO THE DISTRICT. 
          AND, UM, IT'S THE SAME TAX THAT HAD BEEN LEVIED BEFORE. 
          IT'S 2%. 
          SO THERE'S NO REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL, IT WOULD BE THE SAME COLLECTION AS HAS BEEN, UM, IN PLACE FOR FIVE YEARS. 
          AND THEN THE LAST THING THAT I DIDN'T GET TO MAKE CLEAR WAS 20% OF THE FUNDS THAT ARE COLLECTED BY THE DISTRICT ARE KEPT BY THE CITY. 
          3% OF THAT COVERS OUR ADMINISTRATIVE EXPENSE. 
          17% IS INVESTED, UM, IN DESTINATION AND DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND MARIE DID TOUCH ON THAT. 
          UM, AND THAT'S MONEY WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO USE TO INVEST IN DOWNTOWN, UM, PRIMARILY DOWNTOWN IS OUR PRIMARY DESTINATION. 
          UM, SO IT'S, IT'S REALLY BEEN A WIN-WIN. 
          AND BECAUSE MARIE, UM, IS PART OF, IS HEADING UP THE DOWNTOWN ASSOCIATION ALONG WITH THE VISITORS PROGRAM, WE'VE ALSO PARTNERED WITH THE DOWNTOWN ASSOCIATION. 
          WE INVESTED IN THE DOWNTOWN ASSOCIATION USING THOSE TOURISM FUNDS TO SUPPORT THE DOWNTOWN ASSOCIATION WHEN THEY HAD NO REVENUES DURING C O V I D. 
          SO IT'S REALLY BEEN LEVERAGED AND SUPPORTED TO, TO, UM, REALLY SUPPORT THE DOWNTOWN, I WOULD SAY, AS MUCH AS JUST TOURISM IN GENERAL, UM, BECAUSE THAT, THAT THOSE ARE THE PRIMARY BENEFICIARIES ARE OUR DOWNTOWN MERCHANTS FROM OUR TOURISM. 
          AND I THINK THAT CONCLUDES ALL I WAS GONNA ADD. 
          UM, JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU WERE CLEAR ON THE, ON THE, UM, ACTION TONIGHT. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GREAT PRESENTATION. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          UM, QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL, COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          NOW, UM, ACTUALLY I JUST WANTED TO, UM, ADD TO WHAT INGRID JUST SAID BECAUSE I MET WITH MARIE LAST WEEK AND IT'S ALSO THE GRAFFITI, UM, WHERE WE, WE ARE NOW USING AS PART OF THAT MONEY TO CITYWIDE, UM, CLEAN UP THE GRAFFITI. 
          SO IT IS BEING USED NOT JUST DOWNTOWN TO KEEP THE, THE STREET TEAM WORKING, UM, TO BEAUTIFY OUR DOWNTOWN, BUT ALSO CITYWIDE FOR ANY GRAFFITI. 
          WELL, THE DOWNTOWN STREETS TEAM 
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IS NOW FUNDED BY ANOTHER POT OF, UM, GOVERNMENT FUNDS. 
          SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THE SAME. 
          I'M SORRY, MY CONFUSION. 
          NO, YOU'RE CORRECT. 
          WE, WE HAVE A CONTRACT NOW WITH REBUILDING TOGETHER TO HELP US INTERVENE WITH GRAFFITI ABATEMENT. 
          AND, AND SOME OF THOSE FUNDS ARE COMING FROM THE DESTINATION DEVELOPMENT AS IN PREVIOUS YEARS. 
          THE, THE DOWNTOWN STREETS TEAM, THE, THE, UM, DOWNTOWN ASSOCIATION. 
          THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO REINVEST, UM, BACK INTO THE CITY, INTO THE DOWNTOWN USING THE PORTION OF THE FUNDS THAT COMES FROM THIS ADDITIONAL DISTRICT THAT COMES TO THE CITY. 
          AND ADDITIONALLY, IN THE PAST, AND YOU MIGHT RECALL BEFORE THE DISTRICT WAS ESTABLISHED, THE CITY WAS INVESTING FROM ITS 10%, YOU KNOW, THE PART THAT THE CITY KEEPS, THE CITY HAD BEEN INVESTING ON AVERAGE ABOUT $250,000 A YEAR TO PAY FOR VISITOR PROGRAM. 
          AND SO AS PART OF THIS, THE HOTELIERS IN, UM, ELECTING THE SELF-ASSESS, THEY'VE ALSO TAKEN ON THAT JOB AS SHE MENTIONED, THAT'S PRIMARILY WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS MARKETING. 
          SO THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL EXPENSE THAT THE CITY IS NOT OKAY. 
          UM, IS NOT NEEDING TO SPEND, UM, OKAY. 
          ANNUALLY. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT. 
          AND THEN WE CAN POSSIBLY DO SOME LIGHTING FOR SOME EVENING, UM, LIGHT ILLUMINATION IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA FOR OUR, OUR, UM, OUR CUSTOMERS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, GOING TO THE LOCAL RESTAURANTS THAT, THAT NEED THAT THEY'LL MAYBE IN THE TREES YEAR ROUND, NOT JUST AT CHRISTMAS TIME OR THE HOLIDAYS, BUT, UM, ANY LOCATION THAT, YOU KNOW, MIGHT HAVE SOME OUTDOOR DINING OR, OR CUSTOMERS LEAVING THE DINING AREA AND THAT IT WOULD JUST MAKE THE, THE DOWNTOWN BEAUTIFUL. 
          AND SO THAT COULD BE USED FROM THAT MONEY. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER SHRIVES. 
          OKAY. 
          FIRST, UH, UM, I'LL LET YOU KNOW THAT, UH, I WAS THERE AT THE, UH, PRESENTATION OF THE VISITORS, UM, MAGAZINE AND, UH, WHAT WE HAVE THIS YEAR. 
          AND IT IS PHENOMENAL. 
          AND NOT ONLY FOR OUR VISITORS, BUT I, AS A LONG-TERM RESIDENT THAT SAYS I'M, I LEARNED A LOT OF STUFF BY GOING THROUGH IT PAGE BY PAGE AND THE ARTWORK, THE PHOTOGRAPHY, THE TEXT, THE FORMATTING, FAR SUPERIOR THAN, THAN I'VE SEEN OTHER MAGAZINES LIKE THIS. 
          AND THE CONSISTENCY, UM, UH, THE WAY YOU'VE USED THE FONTS. 
          SO PHENOMENAL JOB ON THAT. 
          SO, SO KEEP WHOEVER PUT IT TOGETHER, KEEP THAT PERSON . 
          WE, WE HAVE A WONDERFUL TEAM THAT WE WORK WITH. 
          UM, I'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF BRAGGING HERE THAT NAPA HAS NOW PICKED UP THE TEAM THAT WE WORK WITH AND ALSO HAS OAKLAND. 
          SO WE GOT THEIR THIRST. 
          SO, SO NOW WE HAVE COMPETITION, BUT YEAH, WE DO. 
          I IT'S A, IT'S A VERY DIFFERENTLY PUT TOGETHER. 
          IT'S, IT'S NOT FULL OF ADS, IT READS LIKE A MAGAZINE, LIKE A STORY. 
          SO THAT WAS THE POINT. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO TO OH, OKAY. 
          YEAH, SO, SO THE QUESTION COMES TO, UM, THERE IS THREE PARTS OF THE, THE TAX. 
          THERE'S A CITY, A COUNTY, AND THEN THE CITY DISTRICT TAX MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO IS THE BUDGET THAT YOU PRESENTED IN THE MONEY IS ALL COMING FROM JUST THE 2% OR IS IT, OR WHAT HAPPENS TO THE OTHER 10%? THAT'S THE CITY T O T THAT, SO THE 10% GOES TO THE CITY, AND WE HAVE, SO WE HAVE THE 2%, BUT THE CITY, UH, 10% IS, IT GOES INTO THE GENERAL FUND. 
          GOES TO THE GENERAL FUND. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO THIS IS NOT ABOUT THAT 10%, IT'S JUST ABOUT THAT 2% NOT ON, NOT, NOT THE 2% THAT GOES TO THE COUNTY EITHER. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE THAT GOES TO SONOMA COUNTY TOURISM, WHICH WE WORK WITH, AND ON THE LARGER, YOU KNOW, SONOMA COUNTY AS A DESTINATION. 
          OH, GOOD. 
          SO JUST, YOU'VE DONE ALL THIS JUST ON THAT LITTLE 2%. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          PHENOMENAL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OH, THANK YOU. 
          THE HOTELIERS ARE THE ONES THAT COLLECT THIS AND DO THIS AMAZING JOB IN BEING SUCH AWESOME PLACES. 
          I, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THEY ARE THE ONES THAT ARE COLLECTING THIS AND DOING THAT, WHERE WE GET TO, TO PUT IT BACK AND REINVEST. 
          THAT'S, THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, SO THEN MOVING ON TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT HERE. 
          YEAH. 
          JUST A QUICK QUESTION ON THE FOLKS THAT ARE HERE FOR REPRESENTING THE HOTELS. 
          HOW, HOW ARE YOU GUYS FEELING OUT THERE? DO YOU FEEL LIKE REAL POSITIVE WE'RE GOING AND, UM, DO YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING YOURSELVES? NOW? WE'RE GONNA GET UP AND SPEAK. 
          I, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. 
          OKAY. 
          . 
          SO, UH, LET'S FIND OUT ABOUT THE PUBLIC HERE. 
          I HAVE SEVERAL CARDS HERE AND, UH, AND HAVE WE HAD ANY COMMENTS COME IN ONLINE? UH, YES, MAYOR, WE'VE HAD EIGHT PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN POSTED TO THE WEBSITE. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          AND, UH, DO WE HAVE ANYONE IN THE ZOOM AUDIENCE TONIGHT? THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ATTENDING IN PERSON SHOULD BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE SO. 
          MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ATTENDING ONLINE WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM TO RAISE A VIRTUAL HAND OR PRESS STAR NINE TO PARTICIPATE BY PHONE. 
          AND MR. MAYOR, WE HAVE ONE PERSON WITH THEIR HAND RAISED. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          WE'LL START WITH THE IN-HOUSE FOLKS AND COME BACK AROUND. 
          SO THE FIRST PERSON WOULD BE MAX CHILDS. 
          AND, UH, SECOND WOULD BE, UH, PAULINE 
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WOOD. 
          GREAT JOB, MARIE. 
          THANK YOU, UH, MAYOR, MEMBER, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. 
          IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE AND, UH, TO REPRESENT. 
          UH, FIRST ROUND, UM, FIVE, FOUR AND A HALF YEARS AGO, I WAS REPRESENTING THE, UH, P T I D, UH, AS THE GENERAL MANAGER OPENING GENERAL MANAGER OF THE HAMPTON IN PETALUMA, THE OLD SILK MILL. 
          AND NOW I'M BACK REPRESENTING AS THE GENERAL MANAGER OF THE SHERATON SONOMA WINE COUNTRY. 
          PETALUMA. 
          UM, WE ALL AGREE THAT TOURISM HELPS SUPPORT, UM, THE RESIDENTS AND THE BUSINESSES OF DOWNTOWN PETALUMA. 
          UM, WE ALSO, UH, THERE THERE'S A GREAT NEED, UH, BOTH IN, UM, IN, IN RAISING THE FUNDS, UH, BUT ALSO, UM, IN, UH, A WEEKDAY OCCUPANCY. 
          WE HAVE, WE, UH, ALL, WE HAVE A LOT OF ADDITIONAL HOTEL ROOMS IN PETALUMA, BUT, UH, WE, UH, ARE, ARE RAISING THE, UM, WE, WE NEED TO BUILD MORE AWARENESS TO HELP SUPPORT OUR, UH, WEEKDAY MIDWEEK BUSINESS. 
          UM, SO HAVING THIS MARKETING ARM GREATLY HELPS US TO BRING IN THE, THE WEEKDAY BUSINESS. 
          AND, UH, AND THEN, UH, OF COURSE TO INCREASE THE, UH, TRANSIENT OC OCCUPANCY TAX THAT WOULD BENEFIT ALL OF US. 
          SO, UM, THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S MY, I SUPPORT THIS, UH, RENEWAL  AND, AND, AND, UH, I, I THINK IT REALLY BE BENEFICIAL TO ALL OF US. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THANK YOU, PAULINE. 
          WOULD TO BE FOLLOWED BY SEAN MARSTON. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          UH, I'LL START BY SAYING, OBVIOUSLY I SUPPORT THIS AND IT'S BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL FOR US. 
          A LOT OF HARD WORK, AND WE HAVE A GREAT TEAM, UM, OF SYNERGY THINKERS THAT, UM, UNDERSTAND THAT PETALUMA IS THE GATEWAY. 
          LIKE SONOMA COUNTY IS GREAT, BUT PETALUMA IS THE GATEWAY. 
          AND WHEN, UH, I CHAIRED THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR SONOMA COUNTY TOURISM FOR QUITE A FEW WHILE, AND IT WAS HARD TO GET PETALUMA IN FRONT, AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO USE THIS MONEY TO REALLY TELL THE PETALUMA STORY AND GET THAT IN FRONT OF THENO COUNTY STORY, WHICH IS ALSO A GREAT STORY. 
          BUT THEY NEED TO READ OUR STUFF FIRST, AND THAT'S HOW WE VIEW IT. 
          SO OUR FAMILY HAS BEEN, UM, UH, IN 1968, WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY. 
          1972, WE BUILT THE CAMPGROUND. 
          UM, THREE GENERATIONS OF OUR FAMILY RUN THE CAMPGROUND. 
          UH, WE ARE THERE DAY IN, DAY OUT. 
          OUR KIDS GRADUATING OR GRADUATING FROM COLLEGE. 
          THEY'VE WORKED IN IT SINCE THEY WERE THIS HIGH. 
          WHEN I WOULD CALL ON THE WALKIE-TALKIE AND SAY, ANYONE'S SEEN THE WOOD KIDS, AND THEY WOULD SAY THEY'RE ON ROW M AND THEN ROW L. 
          AND SO WE ARE AN INTEGRAL PART OF PETALUMA. 
          UH, WE WITH KURT LOCKE, OUR FAMILY OPENED UP THE VERY FIRST TOURISM TRAILER IN THE CATTLEMEN PARKING LOT, UH, A HUNDRED YEARS AGO. 
          UM, ACTUALLY 50. 
          THIS IS OUR 50TH YEAR IN BUSINESS. 
          SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. 
          WE ARE ONE OF THE TOP RATED CAMPING RESORTS IN THE NATION. 
          AND SO WE HAVE THIS BEAUTIFUL AREA. 
          WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL FACILITY, AND WE ARE THANKFUL THAT YOU'RE GIVING US THE MONEY, OUR MONEY . 
          BUT YOU'RE LETTING US USE IT TO TELL OUR STORY BECAUSE PETALUMA HAS AN AMAZING STORY TO TELL. 
          AND WE ARE THE FUNNEL, AND WE NEED THEM TO STOP WHEN THEY'RE COME ACROSS THAT BRIDGE. 
          THEY NEED TO JUST STOP. 
          THERE'S NO REASON TO DRIVE ANY FURTHER. 
          EVERYTHING YOU NEED'S RIGHT HERE. 
          YOU CAN GO ON A CHEESE TOUR, YOU CAN DO A LITTLE BIT OF WINE. 
          YOU CAN FOODIE, COME STOP, EAT. 
          YOU CAN PADDLE DOWN OUR RIVER, AND YOU CAN SIT AT THE END OF THE NIGHT. 
          HAVE A GREAT GLASS OF WINE. 
          WE HAVE EVERYTHING THAT ANYONE NEEDS, AND THIS MONEY HELPS US TELL THAT STORY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, JOHN MARSDEN TO BE FOLLOWED BY KIRK LOCKE. 
          UH, HELLO, UH, MR. MAYOR AND, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING. 
          UH, MY NAME'S SEAN. 
          I'M REPRESENTING THE, UH, COURTYARD PETALUMA AS OPENING GENERAL MANAGER. 
          I HAVE, UH, BEEN A PART OF THE PETALUMA LODGING ASSOCIATION SINCE WE OPENED OUR DOORS AT THE COURTYARD. 
          UM, IT HAS PLAYED AN INSTRUMENTAL PART IN DRIVING BUSINESS, NOT ONLY WEEKDAY AS MAX HAD MENTIONED, BUT ON THE WEEKEND AS WELL, BY CREATING EVENTS AND THINGS, UM, AND DRIVING MARKETING FORCES, UH, TO THE AREA. 
          UM, THIS, UH, THIS P T I D IS VERY IMPORTANT TO BE RENEWED FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS. 
          I THINK THAT WITHOUT THAT 2% AND THE P L A BEING A DRIVING FORCE ON HOW THAT MONEY IS SPENT, WE WOULD NOT 
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HAVE AS MUCH T O T TAX DOLLARS AS YOU GUYS COLLECT AS WELL. 
          UM, AND I HAVE TO SAY TOO, I, I'VE MANAGED FIVE HOTELS, UH, OVER THE PAST SIX YEARS IN FIVE DIFFERENT CITIES, AND I HAVE NEVER MANAGED A HOTEL WITH SUCH A HEARTFELT CITY SUCH AS PETALUMA. 
          AND A BIG PART OF THAT IS THE P L A AND THE DRIVING FORCE THAT THEY DO FOR HOTELIERS OUT HERE. 
          UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT I WILL ALWAYS REMEMBER, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS, THAT MAKES PETALUMA PETALUMA FOR TRAVELING. 
          UM, I JUST WANNA THANK YOU FOR YOUR GUYS' TIME TONIGHT AND, AND I AM, UH, IN FAVOR OF RENEWING THE P T I D FOR ANOTHER 10 YEARS, AND LOOK FORWARD TO WHAT PETALUMA WILL BE LIKE IN 10 YEARS AS WELL. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING. 
          THANK YOU, KIRK LUCK MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          I'M SO HONORED TO BE IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY BECAUSE FOUR AND A HALF YEARS AGO, YOU FOLKS BLESSED TO KNOW THIS OR THIS, UH, P T I D. 
          HERE WE ARE BASICALLY FIVE YEARS AFTER COVID, UH, DEVASTATING THE RESULTS FROM THAT FOR A LOT OF OTHER DIFFERENT MARKETS. 
          WITH THIS MARKET, WE HOLD ON. 
          AND BECAUSE MARKETING IS AN INVESTMENT INTO ALL OF OUR COLLECTIVE FUTURE, WE NEVER LOST A BEAT. 
          SO WHEN WE WENT BACK INTO RECOVERY, WE'RE BACK IN, IN THE SWING OF THINGS. 
          MORE IMPORTANTLY, WE MADE SURE THAT A LOT OF THE SMALL BUSINESSES IN THE MAKE UP, THE BUSINESSES IN DOWNTOWN PAN LMA SURVIVED. 
          THEY GREW. 
          AND TODAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BASICALLY THE DESIRED DESTINATION FOR FOOD OPERATORS AND WINE AND BEVERAGE OPERATORS. 
          SO, JUST EXCITING TIMES FOR US. 
          WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR BUDGET, IT'S KIND OF STATIC, $680,000 FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS. 
          I CAN GUARANTEE YOU WITHIN THREE YEARS IT'S GONNA GROW AT LEAST 30%. 
          SO IT'S GONNA BE PLENTY CLOSE TO A MILLION DOLLARS. 
          WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR YOU? YOUR T O T'S GONNA GROW BY THAT 30% TOO. 
          THAT MEANS A YEAR AND A HALF MORE PUBLIC DOLLARS TO SERVE OUR NEEDS AS A COMMUNITY. 
          AND I'M REALLY PROUD OF BEING PART OF THAT GOING FORWARD. 
          THE THINGS THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME AND TO OUR ORGANIZATION IS HOW DO WE INVEST INTO THE FUTURE OF OUR YOUNG PEOPLE? THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES IN HOSPITALITY, WHETHER YOU WORK FOR A RESTAURANT, WORK FOR A WINERY, WORK FOR HOTELS, THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES. 
          AND A LOT OF OUR YOUNG PEOPLE, THEIR FIRST JOB IS IN HOSPITALITY. 
          FROM THERE, THEY GO ON, THEY MIGHT BE END UP BEING THE NEXT MANAGER OF A HOSPITAL. 
          THEY MIGHT END UP BEING AN ACCOUNTANT. 
          THEY MIGHT END UP BEING ONE OF OUR LOCAL PLUMBERS. 
          BUT IT STARTS GENERALLY IN THE FIRST JOB AT HOSPITALITY. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID IN, UH, SEBASTOPOL IS THAT WE STARTED A, UM, PROGRAM WHERE WE TAUGHT YOUNG PEOPLE IN HIGH SCHOOL AND ANNUALLY, UH, ALL ABOUT GOOD CUSTOMER SERVICE. 
          WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO PROVIDE GOOD CUSTOMER SERVICE? BECAUSE THAT'S THE BEGINNING OF ACTUALLY HAVING A POSITIVE ATTITUDE AT WHAT OTHER CAREER PATHS YOU GO INTO. 
          AND WE'VE DONE THAT FOR TWO YEARS NOW. 
          WE WANNA DO THE SAME THING IN, UH, PETALUMA. 
          AND SO THIS ORGANIZATION HAS ALREADY COMMITTED AT LEAST $2,000 TO START THAT PROGRAM, AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THAT GOING WITH THE PET HIGH SCHOOLS. 
          SO DEVELOPING OUR YOUNG PEOPLE FOR THE FUTURE IS ALSO AN IN PART, INTEGRAL PART OF WHAT WE DO, YOU KNOW, IN, IN, UH, THE TOURISM IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT. 
          THE OTHER THING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO OUR INDUSTRY, 'CAUSE I SIT ON THE COUNTY, UH, HOSPITALITY ASSOCIATION, IS WORKFORCE HOUSING. 
          SIR, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU, . 
          WE REACHED OUR THREE MINUTES THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          I'D LIKE TO TAKE IT OVER TO OUR ZOOM AUDIENCE AND SEE WHAT WE HAVE. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          THE FIRST SPEAKER THAT WE HAVE IS SUSAN KIRK. 
          SUSAN ON, I'LL ALLOW YOU SPEAK. 
          YOU CAN UNMUTE YOURSELF AND BEGIN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THERE WAS A MENTION EARLIER, UM, I THINK IT WAS COUNCIL MEMBER NOW ABOUT THE TREES DOWNTOWN AND THE LIGHTS ON THE TREES, AND MAYBE LEAVING THOSE ON AND ADDING SOME SO THAT OUR VISITORS AND DINERS COULD SEE A BEAUTIFUL DOWNTOWN. 
          AND I'M, I'M REALLY GLAD THAT THE HOTEL REPRESENTATIVES ARE IN THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT SO THAT I CAN SPEAK IN MY CAPACITY AS THE PRESIDENT OF OUR SONOMA COUNTY AUDUBON ORGANIZATION, MADONE AUDUBON. 
          AND AS A NATURALIST BASED IN PETALUMA WITH PAULA LANE ACTION NETWORK, OUR ONLY WILDLIFE CONSERVATION ORGANIZATION HERE IN PETALUMA. 
          I'D LIKE TO ENCOURAGE, UM, THE CITY AND THE HOTEL REPRESENTATIVES TO REALLY TAKE A LOOK AROUND AT 
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OUR ENVIRONMENT. 
          AND WE HAVE AN EMPHASIS NOW ON, UH, HEALTHY ENVIRONMENT TREES THAT ARE GOING TO BE IN MUCH BETTER SHAPE THAN THEY HAVE BEEN IN PETALUMA, INCLUDING DOWNTOWN. 
          AND I, FOR ONE, THINK THAT HAVING LIGHTS ON TREES DOWNTOWN, UM, AROUND THE TRUNKS AND THROUGH THE BRANCHES AND LEAVES, REALLY SENDS A MESSAGE OF, UH, THAT'S UNNATURAL. 
          I'D REALLY MUCH RATHER SEE US HAVE AN EMPHASIS AND HAVE YOU ALL HELP US TAKE CARE OF OUR NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, ENHANCE THE VEGETATION, THE HABITAT PLANTINGS THAT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE. 
          AND OF COURSE, I'M AVAILABLE VIA AUDUBON AT ANY TIME TO HELP YOU WITH AN ASSESSMENT FOR THE TYPES OF PLANTS AND EVEN TREES. 
          YOU COULD, UM, UH, I, UH, INSTALL, IMPLEMENT, PLANT, AND DEFINITELY CARE FOR IN YOUR NATURAL SETTINGS THERE, WHICH WILL ALSO HELP YOUR WORKERS, YOUR EMPLOYEES HAVE NICE PLACES TO GO WHEN THEY GO OUTSIDE. 
          AND I REALLY WANT US TO HAVE, UM, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT INVITING TOURISM OR INVITING VISITORS, I, I REALLY WANT PEOPLE WHO COME HERE TO BEGIN TO NOTICE, UH, AN ENHANCEMENT OF HOW WE CARE FOR OUR ENVIRONMENT. 
          AND, UM, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR HELP IN THAT. 
          AND I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER NELL SAID. 
          I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND THAT PERSPECTIVE. 
          I JUST THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE OTHER WAYS TO DO LIGHTING DOWNTOWN, AND THERE MAY BE A WAY TO LIFT UP OUR NATURAL ENVIRONMENT IN EVERY SINGLE AREA WHERE WE HAVE IT. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          THAT IS OUR LAST PUBLIC COMMENTER. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THAT CLOSES PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          WE'LL BRING IT BACK UP TO THE DAAS OR COUNCIL AND I, UH, CALL ON COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          UM, I WANNA START FOR BY SAYING THANK YOU TO ALL OF OUR HOTELIERS, UM, FOR BEING THERE, UM, WHEN WE'VE NEEDED YOU WITH THROUGH FIRES AND THROUGH COVID, UM, FOR HANGING ON DURING COVID. 
          UM, SEEING A 40% DROP IN OUR T O T I KNOW THAT HITS YOUR, HITS YOUR BOTTOM LINE, AND IT MAKES IT REALLY TOUGH. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          UM, ALSO THANK YOU FOR INVESTING IN OUR COMMUNITY AND BUILDING NEW DESTINATIONS AND PROMOTING OUR TOWN, UM, AND FOR WORKING TOGETHER ON THIS. 
          UM, THEN I WANNA SAY THANK YOU AND KUDOS TO MARIE. 
          UM, YOU GOT UNANIMOUS SUPPORT FOR SOMETHING. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE, FOR THOSE OF US UP HERE WHO HAVE TO GET ELECTED, GETTING UNANIMOUS SUPPORT FEELS IMPOSSIBLE. 
          SO CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU FOR, UM, RUNNING A GOOD ORGANIZATION. 
          UM, AND THEN MY FINAL COMMENT BEFORE I MOVE THE ITEM WOULD BE, UM, TO REALLY START STUDYING WEEKDAY BUSINESS. 
          UM, I DEFINITELY NOTICE, UM, THE LACK OF NIGHTLIFE DURING THE MIDDLE OF THE WEEK RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, I GO DOWNTOWN AND, YOU KNOW, IT JUST KIND OF FEELS A LITTLE, UH, A LITTLE SILENT AT NIGHT. 
          AND, UM, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE US, UM, START TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, UM, USES IN OUR DOWNTOWN AND, UM, TO THE GENERAL PLAN PROCESS TO START BRINGING IN MORE, UM, WEEKDAY, UM, VISITORS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, AND WITH THAT, I'LL MOVE THE ITEM HAPPILY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY. 
          SO, UM, I'LL SECOND IT. 
          AND, UM, IN TERMS OF, UH, WEEKDAY TO LATE NIGHT ENTERTAINMENT, BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU ASK FOR. 
          WE USED TO HAVE A NOISY COWBOY BAR, AND THAT'S PROBABLY THE MAIN REASON WHY I GOT, I GOT INVOLVED IN CITY GOVERNMENT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UH, ANY COUNCIL MEMBER SHRIVES? UM, UH, ONE OF THE CONCERNS I HAVE IS, UH, ESPECIALLY FROM THE HOTEL BUSINESS, IS THAT WE'RE REALLY SEEM TO BE CATERING A LOT TO THE, UM, VISITORS WHO ARE COMING IN, TOURISTS COMING IN. 
          UM, BUT WHEN I'VE, I'VE USED TO COME FROM THE BUSINESS WORLD. 
          I'VE, I DID A LOT OF BUSINESS TRAVELING AND WE, OUR BUSINESSES WOULD SEND A LARGE NUMBER OF FOLKS TO, UM, CONVENTION CENTERS AND MEETINGS, UH, VARIOUS PLACES. 
          BEEN ALL CITIES THROUGH, THROUGH THAT PART OF MY LIFE. 
          AND I WAS WONDERING IS, IS THERE WAYS, LIKE YOU SAID, DURING THE WEEK DAY, AND I THINK THE BUSINESS MEETINGS, CONFERENCES, AND WE DON'T HAVE A CONFERENCE CENTER THAT I, THAT'S REALLY IS APPROPRIATE HERE FOR, OR WE'RE A BUSINESS, A LARGE BUSINESS, UH, INTERNATIONAL SALES COMPANY SAID, OH, LET'S BRING OUR 400 SALESMEN IN AND HAVE THIS MEETING HERE IN PETALUMA, UM, NOT HAPPENING. 
          AND I WAS WONDERING, IS THERE, UH, WHAT, WHAT WOULD WE NEED TO DO TO KIND OF SHIFT A LITTLE BIT? WHAT, WHAT IS IT WE NEED TO, TO BRING IN THAT TYPE OF BUSINESS? DO WE WANT THAT TYPE OF BUSINESS? UH, WOULD IT SERVE YOU GUYS? AND HOW, UM, HOW CAN WE GO THERE? WHAT WOULD WE NEED TO DO DIFFERENTLY THAN WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW TO REALLY BRING IN, UH, SOME OF THE LARGER COMPANIES THAT WOULD PROVIDE, LET'S SAY, ANYWHERE FROM 25 TO TO A HUNDRED, UH, PEOPLE MEETING TYPE THINGS. 
          WHAT, WHAT DO WE NEED? I DO, I DO GROUPS OF UP TO 600. 
          SO, UM, 
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 AT K O A, SO WE DO AMERICAN LUNG, WE DO A LOT OF THE BIG, BIG NONPROFITS. 
          AND, UM, BECAUSE WE ARE ONE OF AT 60 ACRES, WE'RE ONE OF THE FEW FACILITIES THAT CAN HANDLE THOSE KIND OF NUMBERS. 
          UM, BUT, UM, I HAVE TO ASK, IF YOU'RE GONNA SPEAK, PLEASE COME TO THE MICROPHONE. 
          SO, SORRY, SORRY. 
          AT HOME AUDIENCE CAN HEAR YOU. 
          SO WE'RE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU'RE SPEAKING ABOUT. 
          BUT AS TO THE FACT OF NUMBERS, EVEN WHEN, UM, I WAS INVOLVED WITH SONOMA COUNTY TOURISM, WE ARE ONE OF THE FEW THINGS THAT CAN HOLD THOSE KIND OF BODIES. 
          UM, I KNOW ON, I'LL LET THE HOTELIERS, UH, SAY WHAT THEY COULD DO TO BRING IN THAT. 
          BUT I WOULD, UM, SAY THE GREAT THING ABOUT PETALUMA IS EVERYTHING'S ALREADY HERE. 
          WHETHER IT BE THE WANTING TO DO OUTDOOR WEDDINGS, WHETHER WANTING, MOST PEOPLE LOVE SONOMA COUNTY AND PETALUMA FOR THE BEAUTY THAT WE ARE, AND THAT'S WHY THEY COME. 
          AND SO THERE'S SO MANY OTHER THINGS THAT ABOVE AND BEYOND JUST THE SMALL BUSINESS MEETINGS, WHETHER IT'S THE, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT TOURS, THE FOODIE THING, ALL OF THAT BRINGS LARGE GROUPS AND, AND GETTING BACK THE SPECIAL EVENTS, WE NEED OUR SPECIAL EVENTS BACK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          PROBABLY NOT GONNA DO PUBLIC COMMENT AGAIN, , BUT, UH, ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBER? COUNCIL MEMBER NOW, REAL FAST, AND I KNOW, I KNOW, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON CATER, CATER THOMPSON WANTS TO SPEAK TO, BUT, UM, I CANNOT EXPRESS HOW GRATEFUL I AM THAT PETALUMA HAS, MARIE AND HER STAFF AND THE VISITOR CENTER, IT IS SO WONDERFUL TO GO DOWN THERE. 
          AND THEY'RE ALWAYS SMILING AND THEY, UM, I JUST HAD MY 45TH HIGH SCHOOL REUNION, AND MY CLASSMATES WHO HAD MOVED AWAY CAME BACK TO TOWN AND STAYED IN THE VARIOUS HOTELS AND CAMPGROUNDS, AND THEY UTILIZED THE VISITOR CENTER, AND THEY WERE LIKE, OH, WE WISH WE HAD NEVER LEFT. 
          AND OF COURSE THEY HAVE, AND WE ARE STILL HERE. 
          BUT THE OTHER THING IS, UM, MY SCHOOL FAMILIES, A LOT OF THESE YOUNG FAMILIES ARE TOO BUSY IN WORK AND WHAT HAVE YOU IN THEIR JOBS THAT THEY CAN'T GO ON VACATION SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          SO THEY VACATION, CALL IT A STAYCATION, AND THEY DO IT HERE IN TOWN. 
          AND REAL QUICK, I HAD A FAMILY THAT GOT THEIR KIDS UP REAL EARLY IN THE MORNING AND SAID, WE'RE GOING CAMPING. 
          PACKED THE KIDS UP, DROVE A DROVE, DROVE, DROVE AROUND, WENT TO K O A, DAD, WENT FISHING ALL DAY, AND THE KIDS PLAYED AT K O A AND DID ALL THESE GREAT ADVENTURES. 
          AND, AND THEN DAD CAME HOME WITH HIS FISH FROM PETALUMA MARKET, AND THEY DID THAT FOR A WEEK, . 
          AND THERE'S LOTS OF FAMILIES THAT NOW DO IT AS AN ANNUAL CAMPING TRIP IN PETALUMA. 
          AND THE SAME WITH THE HOTELS. 
          THEY, THE FAMILIES CAN'T LEAVE TOWN BECAUSE OF JOBS AND WHAT HAVE YOU. 
          SO THEY STAYED IN THE LOCAL, UM, SHERATON, AND IT WAS REALLY FUN. 
          AND SOME OF THE, THE, UM, CLASSMATES I HAD CAME BACK TO THE HOTELS AT SHERATON AND THEY'RE LIKE, WOW, THIS WASN'T HERE WHEN I WAS GROWING UP. 
          SO WE'VE REALLY COME A LONG WAY AND I HAVE TO THANK MARIE AND HER STOP SO MUCH, AND FOR KIRK, FOR ALL THOSE YEARS IN THE K O A THE WOODS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON. 
          I'LL BE QUICK. 
          UM, I WANNA THANK YOU ALSO. 
          I MEAN, THIS IS, THIS IS GREAT, BUT, UM, IT'S, IT'S WITH PAULING WOOD AND THE K O A, I REMEMBER THE CONTROVERSY WITH THAT PROJECT. 
          EVERYBODY IN THAT AREA WAS SO UPSET THAT THE K O A WAS GONNA COME IN AND IT ENDED UP BEING A VERY GOOD THING FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND I WAS ALWAYS KIND OF CURIOUS, WHAT DID THE PERSON LOOK LIKE THAT ACTUALLY OWNS IT? AND SO THERE YOU ARE. 
          AND SO I'M THE SANDWICH GENERATION. 
          WELL, THAT'S OKAY, BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THING, THERE'S A LOT OF CONTROVERSY WITH THINGS AND SOMETIMES WHEN, UM, WE RECOGNIZE THE VALUE FOR TOURISM AND FOR DOLLARS IN OUR COMMUNITY, WE NEED TO REALLY LOOK AT THAT. 
          AND, UM, AND I APPRECIATE THAT FROM, THANK YOU, ALL OF YOU AND ALL THE WORK THAT YOU DO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          GREAT PROGRAM. 
          AND, UH, I APPRECIATE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLES, UH, NOTING OUT ALL THE NOTABLE NOBLE UH, GOALS AND OUTCOMES OF, OF YOUR ORGANIZATION. 
          BUT LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER NOW I HAVE AN ANECDOTE, WHICH IS THAT MY YOUNGEST CHILD WAS MARRIED THIS PAST WEEKEND IN TOWN, AND I COME FROM A FAMILY OF 10. 
          SO WHEN MY RELATIVES ALL COME TO TOWN, IT TAKES A VILLAGE TO HOUSE 'EM. 
          AND THEY ALL STAYED AT EVERY DIFFERENT HOTEL IN TOWN. 
          AND, UH, IT TOOK EVERY, YOU KNOW, SPACES AT EVERY ONE IN TOWN. 
          SO I'M GLAD YOU'RE THRIVING, AND WHEN YOU THRIVE, WE THRIVE. 
          LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL. 
          VOTE, I THINK CAME AROUND TO SAY SOMETHING. 
          DID YOU, CAN I SAY SOMETHING? I'M TRYING TO THERE. 
          ADD MY, UH, THANKS TO ALL OF YOU AND TO, UH, UM, SAY THANK YOU TO, TO, UH, 
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COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON FOR MENTIONING SOMETHING THAT, UH, PEOPLE DIDN'T LIKE AT ONE POINT AND, AND, AND LATER LEARN TO, LIKE, WE NEED TO BE REMINDED OF THAT SOMETIMES. 
          ROLL CALL VOTE COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          BARNACLE. 
          AYE. 
          CATER THOMPSON. 
          YES. 
          HEALY? YES. 
          NOW? YES. 
          POST. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          REBS? YES. 
          MAYOR MCDONALD? YES. 
          MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MOVING ON TO OUR NEXT ITEM FOR THE EVENING. 
          UM, IT IS A RESOLUTION DENYING AN APPEAL OF A PLANNING COMMISSION DECISION TO UPHOLD PLANNING ADMINISTRATIVE DECISION TO DENY A MINOR USE PERMIT FOR THE FLOODWAY L L C PROJECT, LOCATED AT 4 8 7 5 PETALUMA BOULEVARD, NORTH ASSESSOR, PARCEL NUMBER 0 0 7 4 2 2 0 2 8. 
          AND, UH, TO HELP US WITH THIS ITEM, UH, ONCE AGAIN COMING IN IS BRIAN O, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. 
          YEAH, THANKS. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY STILL HERE, AND, UH, STILL JOINING US VIRTUALLY, UH, THIS EVENING. 
          HAD A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING, UM, FROM A PROCEDURAL AND PROCESS STANDPOINT. 
          UM, SO THANK YOU, UH, FOR THE OPPORTUNITY HERE. 
          UM, WHAT'S BEFORE YOU IS AN APPEAL OF, UM, A PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, DETERMINATION, SUPPORTING A, UH, STAFF DENIAL, UM, AS THE MAYOR JUST POINTED OUT. 
          UM, AND SO I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT, UM, JUST ABOUT PROCESS HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE AGENDA FOR THIS ITEM. 
          UM, STEP ONE, I'LL WALK THROUGH SOME PROJECT CONTEXT, HOW WE GOT HERE, UH, SOME OF THE, UH, TIMELINE, UM, IN WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT. 
          UM, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO WILL BE A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT. 
          UM, THERE WILL BE A MORE DETAILED, UH, PRESENTATION, UH, DONE BY THE APPLICANT, UM, AND THE APPLICANT REPRESENTATIVES, UM, WHO ARE WITH US TODAY IN PERSON. 
          UM, AND THEN I WILL CONCLUDE MY PRESENTATION WITH A STAFF ANALYSIS. 
          AND AS A REMINDER, THE APPEAL PROCESS BEFORE YOU 10 MINUTES FOR A STAFF PRESENTATION, UH, WHICH WILL BE FOLLOWED BY THE APPELLANT PRESENTATION. 
          UM, AND THIS IS THE CO-OWNERS, BOTH HEATHER KRATT AND HOLLY MANZANO, AS WELL AS I BELIEVE, UH, LEGAL REPRESENTATIVE, UM, THAT THEY'VE, UM, BROUGHT AS WELL. 
          UH, THEN WE'LL PAUSE FOR COUNCIL QUESTIONS, UM, THAT THE COUNCIL MAY HAVE. 
          UM, AND THEN TYPICALLY WE WOULD TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN, UH, BEFORE TURNING IT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION, UM, OUR PROCESS HAS BEEN TO ALLOW A FIVE MINUTE APPELLANT REBUTTAL. 
          AND SO I WILL WALK US THROUGH THAT PROCESS THIS EVENING. 
          OKAY. 
          SO RIVER PLANNING HAS ALWAYS BEEN AT THE HEART OF THIS CITY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAD A, A, A WONDERFUL PRESENTATION ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT MAKES PETALUMA DESTINATION, UM, ONE OF THOSE KEY CONTRIBUTING FACTORS, UM, SINCE THE ONSET OF THE CITY, UH, INCORPORATING, UM, UH, BACK IN THE LATE 18 HUNDREDS. 
          UM, SO YOU SEE ONE OF THE ORIGINAL, UH, MAPS HERE ON THE LEFT, AND THEN TO THE RIGHT IS, UH, THE PETALUMA RIVER. 
          UH, IT'S JUST AN EXCERPT FROM THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE PROCESS. 
          AND SO WHAT HAS BEEN CONSISTENT THROUGH AND THROUGH, UM, HAS BEEN, UH, FRONT AND CENTER, THE PETALUMA RIVER AS THE ANCHOR. 
          UM, THAT HAS LED TO A LOT OF REALLY GREAT PLANNING, A LOT OF REALLY GREAT, UH, PROTECTION, NOT 
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JUST OF THE COMMUNITY, UH, BUT THE GREAT RESOURCE THAT WE CALL, UH, THE CITY OF, UH, THE PETALUMA RIVER. 
          SO THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE FLOODS, UH, JANUARY OF THIS YEAR. 
          UM, AND THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO HAPPEN. 
          SO THIS IS A INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT THAT THE CITY, UH, COMPLETED, UM, WITHIN THE DENMAN REACH. 
          AND SO THIS IS JUST SOUTH, UM, OF THE PROJECT, UH, THAT WE ARE DISCUSSION DISCUSSING, UH, THIS EVENING. 
          UM, YOU SEE SOME HOLDING DETENTION PONDS HERE THAT THE CITY HAD, UM, CREATED, UH, SO THAT WHEN THERE'S A FLOODING CONDITION, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS ESSENTIALLY HAS WORKED, UH, THE WAY THAT WE WANTED IT TO, UM, AND HOW WE'VE, UH, DREW THIS UP. 
          AND SO THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF, UH, DIFFERENT PROJECTS THROUGHOUT THE YEARS, WHETHER IT'S FLOOD TERRACING, UM, WITH RESPECT TO, UH, THE FLOODING THAT OCCURS, UH, NATURALLY WITH THE PETALUMA RIVER. 
          SO THIS IS THE EXISTING, UH, LAND USE MAP FOR OUR GENERAL PLAN. 
          AGAIN, WE'RE GOING THROUGH A COMPREHENSIVE UPDATE HERE, UM, BUT ALSO JUST WANTED TO, UH, KEY IN ON, UH, LET'S SEE IF MY MOUSE WILL WORK HERE. 
          UM, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS THE UPPER REACH, UH, NORTH END OF PETALUMA. 
          YOU HAVE MCDOWELL THERE, UM, GOING NORTH, UH, AND JUST TO, ITS, UH, WEST IS THE PETALUMA RIVER, SO YOU SEE THAT IN THE DARK BLUE. 
          UM, THEN YOU HAVE THE, UH, LIGHT OUTLINE OF THE, UM, THE BLUE LINES, AND THAT IS WHAT MAKES THE 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN. 
          UM, AND THEN IF YOU REALLY FOCUS IN ON THE RIVER, THERE'S A DESIGNATION HERE, UH, WITH THE ACRONYM F W. 
          AND SO THAT IS OUR, QUITE LITERALLY A FLOODWAY ZONING DISTRICT. 
          UH, SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS, UM, EVOLVED. 
          UH, IT'S BEEN IN A NUMBER OF GENERAL PLAN, UH, UPDATES, UM, MOST RECENTLY IN OUR 2008 UPDATE. 
          UM, BUT ONE OF THE ORIGINAL, UM, ZONING DESIGNATIONS THAT WAS CREATED AS PART OF THE 1987, UM, GENERAL PLAN. 
          AND SO, ZOOMING IN A LITTLE BIT MORE HERE, SO THE FLOODWAY FW, AGAIN, IS THE ZONING DISTRICT. 
          THIS WAS LAST UPDATED BACK IN 2016. 
          A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT ON HOW THE FLOODWAY DISTRICT WAS ESTABLISHED. 
          IT IS A FEMA DESIGNATION, DESIGNATION, FEDERAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY. 
          UM, AND IT'S QUITE LITERALLY, UM, WHERE THE RIVER WHERE ANY, UH, WATER COULD FLOOD SO EXTREMELY HAZARDOUS AREA DUE TO THE VELOCITY OF FLOOD WATERS, WHICH CARRY DEBRIS, POTENTIAL PROJECTILES AND EROSION POTENTIAL IN THAT NO ENCROACHMENTS ARE PERMITTED. 
          UM, AND WHY I'M BEING REALLY DELICATE HERE TO READ THIS WORD BY WORD IS QUITE LITERALLY, WE ARE COPYING COPY AND PASTING THIS FROM THE FEMA DESIGNATION INTO OUR ZONING CODE. 
          AND SO ONE OF THE BENEFITS THAT ALLOWS US, UM, TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, UM, TO BE, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE KEY CITIES THAT HAS A, UM, FLOODPLAIN MANAGEMENT SYSTEM IS OUR CLASS SIX COMMUNITY RATING SYSTEM C R S FOR SHORT. 
          AND THIS ALLOWS US AND MANY OF OUR PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE CITY, UH, TO REALIZE A 20% REDUCTION IN THEIR FLOOD INSURANCE. 
          AND SO, A LOT OF REALLY IMPORTANT DISCUSSIONS, A LOT OF PUBLIC DISCUSSIONS, AND ULTIMATELY CITY COUNCIL ADOPTION, UM, OF THE CURRENT FLOODWAY WENT INTO, UH, THE PROCESS. 
          AND SO YOU SEE HERE THE, THE PARCEL THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING THIS EVENING, UM, IS THERE OUTLINED IN BLUE WITH THE BLUE, UM, OUTLINE. 
          ONE OTHER IMPORTANT THING TO NOTE IN OUR CODE, UM, AS PART OF THE DEFINITION OF WHAT MAKES OUR FLOODWAY NO FILL, NEW CONSTRUCTION, INTENSIFICATION OF EXISTING USES CHANGE TO A MORE INTENSIVE USE, SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENTS AND OTHER DEVELOPMENT EX EXCEPT AS SPECIFIED HEREIN AS PERMITTED OR CONDITIONAL LAND USE. 
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JUST ONE SLIDE HERE TO INTRODUCE THE PROJECT ITSELF. 
          SO BACK IN NOVEMBER OF 2022, THIS IS THE INITIAL APPLICATION ON THE LEFT, UH, THE TENTATIVE SITE LAYOUT. 
          AND SO YOU HAVE PETALUMA BOULEVARD, UM, RUNNING, UH, ESSENTIALLY NORTH, UM, NORTHEAST. 
          UM, SO TO THE RIGHT YOU HAVE THE RIVER HERE ON THE BOTTOM OF YOUR SCREEN. 
          UM, AND THEN YOU HAVE STONY POINT, UM, THAT BOOKENDS, UH, THE PARCEL ITSELF. 
          AND SO, UM, A, A LOOSE PROPOSAL. 
          UM, AND I'M JUST GONNA READ A QUOTE HERE FROM THE PROJECT DESCRIPTION. 
          THE FLYAWAY WILL BE A COMMUNITY MARKETPLACE THAT WILL SUPPORT THE AREAS SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS, INCLUDING MOBILE FOOD VENDORS, ARTISANS, ARTISTS, FOOD GROWERS, PRODUCERS, LOCAL BEER AND WINE PRODUCERS, MUSICIANS, AND ANY OTHER LOCAL VENDORS THAT HIGHLIGHT WHAT PETALUMA TRULY HAS TO OFFER. 
          EVERYTHING WILL BE MOBILE OR TRANSIENT IN NATURE, MEANING EVERY VENDOR CAN BE EASILY MOVED OR REMOVED FROM THE LOT IN THE EVENT OF A FLOOD SITUATION. 
          UM, THE FLOODWAY WILL GREATLY IMPROVE THE APPEARANCE OF THE NORTHERN. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, THIS IS AN EXCERPT, BUT IT'S THE NORTHERN GATEWAY INTO THE CITY. 
          UM, AND THEN ONE FINAL EXCERPT HERE. 
          ALL PARTICIPATING VENDORS WILL WELCOME TO OPERATE DURING THE ESTABLISHED OPERATING HOURS OF THE FLOODWAY, WHICH MAY VARY BY BUSINESS NEEDS, BUT WOULD GENERALLY BE BETWEEN 6:00 AM AND MIDNIGHT. 
          SO I'M GONNA USE THIS SLIDE JUST TO TALK THROUGH SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS, SOME OF THE OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE PROVIDED, UM, THAT ULTIMATELY, UH, WENT INTO STAFF DETERMINATION, ULTIMATELY WENT INTO THE STAFF'S INTERPRETATION OF OUR POLICIES, UM, AND PERMITTED USES, AND THEN ULTIMATELY WENT INTO THE PLANNING COMMISSION UPHOLDING THAT DETERMINATION. 
          AND SO WHAT YOU HAVE HERE IS THE FLOODWAY DISTRICT, UM, AGAIN, AS A STANDALONE, UH, ZONING DISTRICT WITHIN OUR CODE, UM, OUTLINES ON YOUR LEFT PERMITTED USES. 
          SO OPEN SPACE AG USES NOT REQUIRING A FENCE OR CLOSED BUILDING, CIRCUSES, CARNIVALS, AND OTHER SIMILAR TRANSIENT AMUSEMENT ENTERPRISES PROVIDED A ZONING PERMIT HAS BEEN OBTAINED. 
          MODIFICATION OF NATIVE OR RIPARIAN VEGETATION, AND THEN THE CATCHALL, ANY OTHER OPEN TYPE OF USE AS DETERMINED BY THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR TO BE OF THE SAME GENERAL CHARACTER AS THE ABOVE PERMITTED USES. 
          OUR CODE ALSO OUTLINES SOME CONDITIONAL USES. 
          AND SO THE, UH, APPLICATION THAT THE APPLICANTS HAD SUBMITTED, UH, WAS A MINOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. 
          UM, AND SO THE FOUR OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE OUTLINED IN OUR CODE, UM, THAT WOULD BE ALLOWABLE IN A FLOODWAY ZONE WOULD BE OPEN AIR, PUBLIC AND PRIVATE RECREATIONAL FACILITIES. 
          SO THINK PASSIVE PARKS, UM, GOLF COURSES, FIELDS, PRIVATE AND PUBLIC DOCKING, AND I'M PARAPHRASING HERE, SO AS NOT TO RESTRICT THE CARRYING CAPACITY OF THE DESIGNATED FLOODWAY ABOVE GROUND UTILITIES AND IMPROVEMENTS TO THE STREAM CHANNEL. 
          SO SOMETHING IMPORTANT TO NOTE HERE, UH, BOTH THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE BUSINESS, UM, PROPONENT, UM, ARE THE SAME. 
          AND SO, UH, MS. KRATT, MS. MANZANO ARE THE CO-OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY AND ALSO THE, UH, PROSPECTIVE BUSINESS, UM, UM, OPERATORS, UH, THAT SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION. 
          AND SO PART OF THE DISCUSSION, UH, WITH THE APPLICANTS, UM, WAS WHAT CAN YOU DO AS A, A LANDOWNER? AND SO THE, THE, UM, AND SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING BEFORE YOU, UH, OUTLINES WHAT'S POSSIBLE FROM A PERMITTED AND A CONDITIONAL USE PERSPECTIVE. 
          UM, AND THEN ALSO, UH, WE SPENT SOME TIME TALKING THROUGH THE BUSINESS PROPOSAL, UM, WHAT COULD POT, WHAT COULD POTENTIALLY HAPPEN, UM, AND COULD POTENTIALLY BE ALLOWABLE, UM, IN THIS, UH, ZONING DISTRICT. 
          AND BRIAN, THAT IS 10 MINUTES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IN, SO IN, IN CONCLUSION, THIS IS THE SECOND TO LAST SLIDE, UH, A TIMELINE. 
          YOU'LL FIND THIS BREAKDOWN IN THE STAFF REPORT, UM, AND IT OUTLINES THE PROCESS THAT HAS BROUGHT US, UM, 
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BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING. 
          SO STAFF RECOMMENDS TO AFFIRM THE PLANNING COMMISSION DECISION TO UPHOLD STAFF DETERMINATION TO DENY THE PROPOSED USE IN THE FLOODWAY ZONING DISTRICT, UM, ON THREE BASISES GENERAL PLAN INCONSISTENCY. 
          UM, IT IS NOT A PERMITTED USE, UH, PER OUR ZONING CODE. 
          UM, AND WHILE IT IS BEING PROPOSED AS TRANSIENT IN NATURE, UH, STAFF HAS DETERMINED THAT IT REQUIRES A MINIMUM LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT THAT IS NOT ALLOWED ON THIS SITE. 
          AND SO WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANTS AND THEIR PRESENTATION. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          AND THANK YOU FOR SAVING THE BEST FOR LAST. 
          MY NAME IS HEATHER KRATT, AND I AM CO-OWNER OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND FOUNDER OF THE FLOODWAY COMMUNITY MARKETPLACE. 
          UH, AND EXCUSE ME FOR SPEAKING FAST, I HAVE A LOT TO COVER. 
          UM, SO OUR PROJECT IS A, AN OUTDOOR COMMUNITY MARKETPLACE, WHICH IS 100% MOBILE AND IMPERMANENT, MEANING IT CAN BE MOVED, UH, EASILY AND AT ANY POINT, UM, WE'RE GONNA USE THE LAND DURING REASONABLE WEATHER AND VACATE IT WHEN IT'S NOT. 
          OUR PROJECT WILL SUPPORT LOCAL MOBILE VENDORS AND GIVE THEM A PLACE TO THRIVE. 
          OUR PROJECT REQUIRES ZERO DEVELOPMENT, ABSOLUTELY NONE. 
          KEY POINT. 
          UH, OUR PROJECT WILL SUPPORT THE LOCAL ECONOMY THROUGH JOB CREATION, TAX REVENUE, UH, PROMOTE CULTURAL DIVERSITY, AND PROVIDE THE COMMUNITY A PLACE TO ENJOY. 
          WE WILL MINIMIZE THE BLIGHT AND UTILIZE A VACANT LOT THAT SITS AT THE NORTHERN GATEWAY TO DOWNTOWN PETALUMA. 
          WE WILL REDUCE, UM, UH, I'M SORRY. 
          THIS PROJECT SUPPORTS THE GOAL OF, UH, 15 MINUTE NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          WE HAVE INCREDIBLE COMMUNITY SUPPORT, UM, INCLUDING 633 SIGNATURES ON A PETITION TO DATE, UH, BECAUSE THIS IS THE ABSOLUTE BEST POSSIBLE USE OF THIS LOT. 
          THIS PROJECT IS A WIN-WIN FOR THE CITY AND COMMUNITY. 
          UM, SO THIS IS, UM, OUR PETITION, 633 SIGNATURES SO FAR, AND THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE VERY POSITIVE AND SUPPORTIVE COMMENTS ABOUT OUR, UM, MARKETPLACE AND HOW MANY, HOW MANY PEOPLE WANT IT. 
          SO THESE ARE OUR SUPPORTERS AND YOUR CONSTITUENTS. 
          THIS IS A SNAPSHOT OF THE ZONING MAP AS IT APPEARED BEFORE WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY. 
          AND AS IT APPEARS TODAY, UH, YOU CAN SEE FROM THE MAP THAT OUR PROPERTY SITS BOTH IN THE FLOODWAY AND IS ALSO ALSO DESIGNATED, UM, C ONE FOR COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THE YELLOW ARROW SHOWS YOU THAT THE FLOODWAY DESIGNATION GOES DOWN THE MIDDLE OF STONY POINT ROAD AND TAKES A HARD RIGHT AT PETALUMA BOULEVARD NORTH. 
          SO THE FLOODED FLOODWAY MAPPING IS SOMEWHAT ARBITRARY. 
          SO OUR PROJECT DOES MEET THE C ONE ZONING SPECIFICATIONS, BUT WE'RE GONNA FOCUS ON THE FLOODWAY DESIGNATION. 
          SO THE PERMITTED USES IN A FLOODWAY ARE OPEN AND MOBILE IN NATURE. 
          UM, CIRCUS IN CIRCUSES AND CARNIVALS ARE ALLOWED AS LONG AS THEY HAVE A ZONING PERMIT. 
          A ZONING PERMIT IS A 60 DAY TEMPORARY PERMIT IN 60 DAYS IS A VERY GENEROUS AMOUNT OF TIME FOR A CIRCUS OR CARNIVAL BECAUSE THEY TEND TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT TOWN AFTER A WEEK. 
          UM, TO THE CREDIT OF THE PEOPLE WHO WROTE THE ZONING CODE 50 YEARS AGO IN 1973, THEY, THEY UNDERSTOOD THAT CIRCUSES AND CARNIVALS WERE NOT GOING TO BE THE END ALL, BE ALL OF OUTDOOR FAMILY ENTERTAINMENT. 
          SO THEY INCLUDED SECTION B FOUR, WHICH PERMITS ANY OTHER OPEN TYPE OF USE AS DETERMINED BY THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR OR DIRECTOR OF PLANNING TO BE OF THE SAME GENERAL CHARACTER AS THE ABOVE PERMITTED USES. 
          B FOUR WAS WRITTEN FOR OUR PROJECT. 
          OKAY, SO A FLOODWAY IS A CHANNEL FOR AN OVERFLOW OF WATER CAUSED BY FLOODING. 
          SO A FLOODWAY, THE PURPOSE OF A FLOODWAY IS TO TRY TO CONTAIN OR REDIRECT THE WATER SO THAT IT DOESN'T REACH THE REST OF THE FLOODPLAIN OR THE AREAS BEYOND THAT. 
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AND THIS IS OUR LOT. 
          IT IS PERFECTLY FLAT AND LEVEL AND SERVES NO PURPOSE TO CONTAIN OR REDIRECT FLOOD WATERS. 
          SO WHEN OUR LOT FLOODS, EVERYTHING AROUND IT FLOODS. 
          SO THIS IS A PICTURE FROM JANUARY OF THIS YEAR. 
          YOU CAN SEE OUR LOT CIRCLED IN RED. 
          UM, THE WATER POURS RIGHT OFF OUR LOT AND GOES DOWN THE STREET AND ENDS UP SETTLING IN THE GAS STATION, UM, DRIVEWAYS EAST OF US ON PETALUMA BOULEVARD. 
          IT ALSO HEADS, IT ALSO SETTLES SOUTH IN THE, UM, OFFICE BUILDING PARK. 
          IT'S LOT PARKING LOTS DOWN THERE. 
          SEE, THE ONLY THING UNIQUE ABOUT OUR PROPERTY ON THIS, UH, MAP IS THAT IT'S VACANT. 
          AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE WHEN THE NEXT FLOOD COMES, BECAUSE THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT OF OUR PROJECT. 
          IT IS 100% MOBILE AND WE WILL GET OUT OF THE WAY BEFORE A FLOOD IS THERE. 
          SO WE, THERE'S NO RISK TO US BEING USING THAT LAND WHEN IT'S NOT FLOODING. 
          UM, THIS IS A PICTURE OF ONE OF THE GAS STATIONS THAT FLOODED DOWN THE ROAD. 
          AND THIS IS JUST THIS, THIS PROPERTY IS NOT IN THE FLOODWAY, BUT THIS IS THE IMPACT OF POOR RIVER MAINTENANCE, WHICH IS THE CASE ON THE NORTHERN END OF TOWN. 
          UM, WHEN WE SUBMITTED OUR USE PERMIT APPLICATION, I SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED THAT IT BE THAT IT BE ESCALATED TO THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR OR DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AS WARRANTED BY SECTION B FOUR. 
          UM, BUT IT WAS NOT ESCALATED, AND INSTEAD IT WAS DISMISSED OUTRIGHT BY THE M GROUP. 
          UM, AND IN THAT LETTER OF DENIAL, THE M GROUP, UH, ABRUPTLY REMOVED THE C ONE ZONING ZONING DESIGNATION FROM OUR PARCEL, CLAIMING THAT IT WAS A MAPPING MISTAKE. 
          UM, I MET WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND, UH, THE FLOODPLAIN ADMINISTRATOR PRIOR TO PURCHASING THAT LOT. 
          UH, THIS KNOWN MAPPING ISSUE WAS NOT DISCLOSED TO US MAPPING MISTAKES ARE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY, AND I BELIEVE THE CITY SHOULD HONOR THE ZONING DESIGNATIONS THAT WERE PUBLISHED AT THE TIME WE PURCHASED OUR LOT. 
          AND SO NOW I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS SOME CONFUSION AND MISSTATEMENTS ABOUT OUR PROJECT. 
          UM, AND THE FIRST IS THAT FLOODS ARE DANGEROUS. 
          CLIMATE CHANGE IS WORSENING. 
          SO LAND IN THE FLOODWAY CANNOT BE USED FOR ANYTHING. 
          THIS IS FALSE. 
          LAND IN THE FLOODWAY CAN BE USED MOST OF THE YEAR WITHOUT ANY RISK. 
          CLIMATE CHANGE IS IRRELEVANT TO THE EXISTING ZONING LAWS AND PERMITTED USES IN THE FLOODWAY. 
          AND LAND THAT IS DEEMED UNUSABLE FOR ANY PURPOSE IS PROBLEMATIC, IS IT WILL TURN INTO A DUMPING GROUND OR HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT HAD HAPPENED TO THIS LOT IN THE PAST. 
          UM, NEXT B FOUR HAS A TIME LIMIT OF 60 DAYS PER YEAR. 
          THIS IS FALSE, ONLY B TWO, WHICH PERTAINS TO CIRCUSES AND CARNIVALS REQUIRES A 60 DAYS ZONING PERMIT. 
          B FOUR IS A PERMITTED USE OF ITS OWN WITH NO ARBITRARY RESTRICTIONS. 
          CIRCUSES AND CARNIVALS REQUIRE DEVELOPMENT. 
          THIS IS FALSE. 
          CIR CIRCUSES AND CARNIVALS CAN SET UP IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE. 
          THEY BRING THEIR, THEIR OWN POWER SUPPLY WITH THEM. 
          UM, CIR CIRCUS VARGAS WAS RECENTLY HERE IN PETALUMA, AND THEY SET UP ON, UM, UNEVEN, UNEVEN GROUND OVER HERE ON THE GRASS. 
          UM, THESE ARE PICTURES OF CLEARLY NOT A DEVELOPED, UM, SPOT FOR THEM. 
          UH, ANOTHER, UM, MISSTATEMENT IS RETAIL IS NOT ALLOWED IN THE FLOODWAY. 
          THIS IS FALSE. 
          CIRCUSES AND CARNIVALS ARE RETAIL BUSINESSES, AND THEY ARE ALLOWED IN THE FLOODWAY. 
          ANOTHER, UH, MISSTATEMENT IS THAT AADA A PARKING REQUIRES DEVELOPMENT. 
          THUS, WE CAN'T USE A LOT FOR ANYTHING. 
          THE REALITY IS THAT OUR LOT HAS NEVER BEEN DEEMED NON A D A COMPLIANT. 
          THAT WAS JUST AN ASSUMPTION BY THE M GROUP. 
          UM, AND FACT COMPACTED GRAVEL IS IN FACT A D A COMPLIANT. 
          UM, ON THE, ON THE, THE LEFT PICTURE IS A CITY OWNED A D A PARKING, UH, WHICH YOU CAN SEE IS GRAVEL AND DIRT. 
          UM, AND ON THE RIGHT IS A SOLUTION, A MOBILE MAT THAT CAN BE USED, THAT COULD BE LAID DOWN OVER GRAVEL. 
          THERE'S NO REASON TO DEVELOP ANYTHING. 
          WE, WE WOULD USE THESE IF WE HAD TO. 
          UM, ANOTHER, UH, MISSTATEMENT IS THAT THE M GROUP HAD OFFERED US A 60 DAY ZONING PERMIT, BUT WE REFUSED IT. 
          AND THAT IS NOT TRUE. 
          UH, WHILE WE DO NOT AGREE THAT B FOUR B FOUR CLEARLY DOES NOT REQUIRE, UH, OR DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY SORT OF ARBITRARY TIME RESTRICTION, BUT WE DID APPLY FOR THE 60 DAY PERMIT ON MAY 26TH ANYWAY. 
          AND THAT ZONING PERMIT APPLICATION WAS NEVER ACCEPTED FOR REVIEW. 
          UM, AND EVERY ATTEMPT TO FOLLOW UP ON THE STATUS OF THAT, UH, HAS BEEN IGNORED. 
          THIS IS A SCREENSHOT OF WHAT I CAN SEE IN THE PLANNING PORTAL. 
          YOU CAN SEE IT WAS SUBMITTED ON 5 26, HAS NOT BEEN ACCEPTED FOR REVIEW AND IS 0% COMPLETED. 
          UM, ANOTHER ONE IS THAT OUR MARKETPLACE WILL DOUBLE THE INSURANCE RATES OF POOR PEOPLE LIVING IN MOBILE HOMES. 
          THIS IS FALSE. 
          OUR PROJECT REQUIRES NO DEVELOPMENT, HAS NO NEGATIVE IMPACT ON FUTURE FLOODING. 
          UM, EVERY ACTION WE'VE TAKEN TO DATE, WHICH IS CLEANING UP POTENTIALLY BUOYANT AND HAZARDOUS DEBRIS FROM THE LOT, AND ARRANGING, UM, FOR LONG OVERDUE RIVER MAINTENANCE HAVE REDUCED THE RISK OF FLOOD 
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DAMAGE AND BODILY HARM. 
          AND OUR REGULAR PRESENCE ON THE LOT PRESENTS A MAJOR BOOST TO FLOODPLAIN MANAGEMENT AS WE ARE PAYING ATTENTION, UM, AND ARE ACTING AS ACTIVE STEWARDS OF THE ENVIRONMENT. 
          AND, UH, ANOTHER ONE IS, UH, IT'S GONNA BE A 24 7 365 DAY A YEAR PARTY AT THE FLOODWAY. 
          THIS IS NOT TRUE. 
          WE REQUESTED THE MAXIMUM DAILY HOURS FOR FLEXIBILITY IN OUR SCHEDULE. 
          UH, WEATHER WILL DICTATE THE, THE BUSINESS DEMAND, AND IT, IT'S IMPRACTICAL THAT WE'D REMAIN OPEN 365 DAYS A YEAR. 
          AND WE DID OFFER TO SHUT DOWN DURING THE HISTORICAL RAINIEST MONTHS OF THE YEAR. 
          UM, BUT THAT OFFER WAS REJECTED. 
          UM, BUT WE HAVE BEEN AND REMAIN OPEN TO WORKING WITH THE CITY. 
          UM, AND FINALLY, THE, UM, MISSTATEMENT IS THAT WE ARE REQUESTING A ZONING EXCEPTION TO USE OUR LAND. 
          AND WE HAVE NEVER REQUESTED AN EXCEPTION, AND WE WOULD NOT HAVE PURCHASED THE SLOT IF WE THOUGHT WE NEEDED ONE. 
          UH, WE WERE SIMPLY ASKING, UH, WE PURCHASED OUR LAW IN GOOD FAITH THAT THE EXISTING ZONING LAWS PUBLISH ZONING DESIGNATIONS AND PERMITTED USES WOULD BE UPHELD BY THE CITY. 
          UM, AGAIN, WE ARE NOT, WE DON'T REQUIRE ANY DEVELOPMENT, AND WE DON'T NEED ANY EXCEPTIONS. 
          BUT THESE ARE FEW PROJECTS WHERE EXCEPTIONS WERE MADE. 
          AND A PARTICULAR NOTE IS THE RIVER BEND HOUSING PROJECT, UH, HOUSING DEVELOPMENT IN WHICH THE CITY ALLOWED THEM TO PUT TO BUILD THREE HOMES IN THE FLOODWAY. 
          AND THIS IS ALL SUPPORTING MATERIAL FOR THAT TABLE I JUST SHOWED YOU. 
          AND IN CONCLUSION, OUR PROJECT IS 100% MOBILE AND REQUIRES ZERO DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, OUR, OUR PROJECT WILL SUPPORT MOBILE VENDORS AND OUR LOCAL ECONOMY. 
          IT'S GONNA CLEAN UP BLIGHT, MAKE USE OF A VACANT LOT IN THE NORTHERN, NORTHERN GATEWAY TO DOWNTOWN PETALUMA AND SUPPORT THE CITY'S GOAL OF 15 MINUTE NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          OUR PROJECT HAS STRONG COMMUNITY SUPPORT. 
          THERE IS NO NEGATIVE IMPACT ON FUTURE FLOODING. 
          AND IN FACT, UM, OR TO THE CONTRARY, IT WILL ACTUALLY PROVIDE IMPROVED MANAGEMENT OF THE FLOODPLAIN AS WE WILL BE ACTIVE STEWARDS OF THE ENVIRONMENT IF APPROVED. 
          THE CITY OF PETALUMA CAN BE PROUD TO SUPPORT MANY SMALL BUSINESSES THROUGH THIS CREATIVE USE OF LAND IN THE FLOODWAY, AND SET AN EXAMPLE FOR OTHER CITIES TO FOLLOW. 
          SO I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU SUPPORT US IN SETTING AN EXAMPLE OF A RESPONSIBLE USE OF LAND IN THE FLOODWAY WHERE BLIGHT IS MINIMIZED, JOBS ARE CREATED, TAXES ARE GENERATED, AND VALUE IS ADDED TO THE CITY WITHOUT COMPROMISING THE SAFETY AND WELLBEING OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          PLEASE APPROVE OUR USE PERMIT AS ALLOWED BY ZONING CODE SECTION 6.050 B FOUR. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. MAYOR, BACK TO YOU. 
          THANK YOU BOTH FOR PRESENTATIONS. 
          AND, UM, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, THE APPEAL PROCESS IS NOW, UH, COUNCIL QUESTION PERIOD BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT, PERIOD. 
          CORRECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO BRINGING IT BACK UP TO THE, UM, COUNCIL, MR. MAYOR. 
          YES. 
          EXCUSE ME IF I COULD. 
          UM, I WANTED TO, UM, PROVIDE A FEW QUICK INTRODUCTORY COMMENTS TO HELP, I THINK FOCUS THE DISCUSSION THE COUNCIL DELIBERATIONS, UM, IN TERMS OF OUR LAND USE REGULATORY SCHEME AND THE COUNCIL'S ROLE AS THE APPELLATE BODY, IF I MAY. 
          PLEASE DO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, ALTHOUGH, UM, I'M SORRY, THE CONCERN IS, IS THAT WE SET UP THE APPEAL PROCESS TO HAVE A 10 MINUTE PRESENTATION ON THE CRITERIA FOR THE COUNCIL 10 MINUTE, UH, FROM THE APPLICANT BACK. 
          SO IT'S THE CONTEXT THAT YOU NEED TO STAY, RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          WE'RE NOT S SO I'M THE CITY'S CHIEF LEGAL ADVISOR YES. 
          ADVISING ABOUT THESE PROCEEDINGS TO MAKE SURE THEY FOLLOW THE LEGAL DEPARTMENTS, MR. ABOUT THE PROCEEDINGS. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ADDRESS. 
          YES. 
          NOT MERITS OF THE PROJECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          UH, SO I THINK THE FIRST, UM, UM, AND ALSO, AND THE INTENT OF ME MAKING THOSE REMARKS IS NOT ONLY TO ASSIST THE COUNCIL, BUT MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATING, UM, AND, AND THE APPLICANTS AS WELL IN, IN TERMS OF THE DELIBERATIONS. 
          SO, UM, THE FIRST THING THAT I WANTED TO NOTE, WHAT WAS IS, IS THE QUESTION BEFORE THE COUNCIL, AS IT'S IDENTIFIED IN THE MATERIALS AND THE STAFF AND THE APPELLANT PRESENTATIONS. 
          AND THAT IS, UM, WHETHER THE PROJECT AS PROPOSED SATISFIES THE APPLICABLE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY'S LAND USE REGULATIONS SUCH THAT IT MAY BE APPROVED. 
          UM, AND IN REACHING THAT DETERMINATION, UM, IT, IT WILL BE IMPORTANT FOR THE COUNSEL TO, UM, BE, UM, BASING ITS DECISION ON SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD BEFORE THE COUNSEL. 
          UM, FOR, FOR PRO, FOR APPLICATIONS SUCH AS THESE THAT ARE, THAT IMPLICATE APPLICANT'S DUE PROCESS RIGHTS, THEY'RE 
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SUBJECT TO THE REVIEW STANDARD, UM, FOR THOSE IS THAT THEY MEET WHAT ARE CALLED TOPANGA FINDINGS. 
          AND THAT IS THAT THE DECISION THAT'S MADE IS SUPPORTED BY SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD, WHICH SUPPORTS THAT PARTICULAR DECISION. 
          UM, WHAT, WHAT IS NOT BEFORE THE COUNCIL, UM, IS, IS ALTERNATIVES TO THE PROJECT BECAUSE AS, AS YOU HEARD FROM BOTH THE STAFF PRESENTATION AND, AND ALSO THE APPELLANT'S PRESENTATION, UM, IT'S JUST THE ONE APPROVAL PATH THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN, UM, PRESENTED AND WAS ADDRESSED IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          UM, ALSO, YOU DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING TONIGHT ABOUT, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW OF THE PROJECT. 
          AND THAT'S BECAUSE, UM, THE, THE DENIAL OF A PROJECT, THE DISCRETIONARY DENIAL OF A PROJECT IS NOT SUBJECT TO CE A, IT'S ACTUALLY EXEMPT FROM CE Q A, BUT IF IT WERE TO BE APPROVED, THAT WOULD NEED TO RECEIVE CE Q A REVIEW FIRST. 
          UM, BECAUSE THAT APPROVALS ARE NOT EXEMPT UNLESS AN EXEMPTION, EXPRESS EXEMPTION APPLIES. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO PROVIDE, UM, A REMINDER OF FOR THE COUNCIL IS THAT, AND I, AND, UH, AND OUR CONTINUING MEMBERS I THINK ARE AWARE OF THIS, BUT IN CASE SOME OF THE NEWER MEMBERS ARE NOT, OR THE RETURNING MEMBERS AFTER AN ABSENCE MAY NOT BE. 
          AND THAT IS THAT, UM, WHEN THE COUNCIL SITS AS IT IS TINNITUS IN APPELLATE BODY, UM, IT HAS WHAT'S CALLED DE NOVO JURISDICTION. 
          UM, AND I THINK THE EASY WAY TO THINK OF THAT IS IT'S A FULL DO OVER. 
          SO THE COUNCIL IS SITTING IN THE SHOES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS IF THIS WERE COMING FOR APPROVAL FOR THE THIR FIRST TIME, THE COUNCIL CAN AFFIRM THE DECISION, UM, ON THE, OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, ON THE SAME GROUNDS, ON DIFFERENT GROUNDS, IT CAN REACH A DIFFERENT DECISION, UM, UM, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S, IT HAS THE DENOVO JURISDICTION, BUT IT'LL BE IMPORTANT WHATEVER THE COUNCIL'S DECISION IS THAT IT BE BASED ON SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD SUPPORTING THAT DECISION. 
          SO THOSE, THOSE ARE THE COMMENTS I WANTED TO GIVE. 
          THANK YOU FOR PERMITTING ME THE OPPORTUNITY. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THEN LET'S BRING IT BACK UP TO COUNCIL TO SEE, UM, IF WE HAVE ANY, UH, QUESTIONS AT THE COUNCIL, COUNCIL MEMBER NOW. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          THIS IS, UM, FOR STAFF AS WELL AS THE APPLICANT. 
          YOU WERE, UM, GIVEN A 60 DAY PERMIT FROM, FROM STAFF? NO, YOU'RE SHAKING YOUR HEAD. 
          THAT COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, THERE WAS A 60. 
          I'LL WAIT UNTIL YOU ASK THE WHOLE QUESTION. 
          PARDON? I'LL JUST WAIT UNTIL YOU ASK THE WHOLE QUESTION. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          WELL, I WAS JUST, IF IT WAS, IF IT WAS SUGGESTED THAT THEY ASKED FOR A 60 DAY PERMIT, WE DID THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          I DON'T SEE HOW THAT'S, IF YOU TIMES IT BY THREE DIFFERENT PERMITS FOR 60 DAYS, THAT'S LIKE SIX MONTHS, THAT'S LIKE HALF THE YEAR, THE DRY MONTHS. 
          AND THIS IS THE SECOND BUSINESS THAT I KNOW OF THAT SEASONALLY THAT WANTED TO GO IN THAT LOCATION. 
          AND I, I, I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHY THEY COULD GET A 60 DAY ONLY WHEN WE KNOW THAT THERE'S DRY MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR AND THEN THERE'S WET MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR. 
          SO I UNDERSTAND AND THEY UNDERSTAND THEY DON'T WANT TO DO IT DURING THE WINTER. 
          I CAN TAKE THAT. 
          SO THAT, MY QUESTION IS WHAT CAN WE DO? HOW CAN WE THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX SO THAT WE CAN GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A BUSINESS AT THAT LOCATION? UH, THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER FOR THE QUESTION. 
          UM, I WOULD ARGUE THAT THERE, THE ZONING CODE, WHILE IMPERFECT, UM, IT IS MY INTERPRETATION THAT, UM, TO HAVE A PERMANENT OR AT LEAST A YEAR ROUND BUSINESS, UM, THAT WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT THE ZONING CODE OR THE CITY COUNCIL OR THE PUBLIC FOR THAT MATTER, UM, THE INTENT OF THE ZONING CODE WAS NOT WRITTEN IN THAT WAY. 
          AND SO THE QUESTION ABOUT THE 60 DAY ZONING PERMIT AND WHY WE COULDN'T MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, THAT IS WITHIN THE CODE. 
          UM, THERE HAS BEEN HISTORIC BUSINESSES THERE, UH, CHERRY STANDS, UH, MORE SHORT TERM, UM, TEMPORARY USES. 
          AND AGAIN, UM, AND I'M HAPPY TO PULL THAT SLIDE BACK UP, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, HISTORICALLY HAS BEEN PERMITTED. 
          UM, IT'S 
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SOMETHING THAT THE ZONING CODE ALLOWS. 
          AND IT IS MY INTERPRETATION THAT THE INTENT, UM, OF THAT B FOUR THAT MS. KRATT IS, UH, REFERENCING, UM, IS ESSENTIALLY TO SAY IF THERE'S A SIMILAR USE TO ANY OF THESE ABOVE, UM, THAT I COULD, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME WIGGLE ROOM. 
          AND SO IF THE CASE IS BEING MADE THAT THIS IS SIMILAR TO A TRANSIENT CIRCUS ENTERTAINMENT VENTURE THAT NEEDS A ZONING PERMIT, UM, OUR ZONING CODE IS QUITE CLEAR THAT THAT ZONING PERMIT CAN ONLY BE ISSUED FOR UP TO 60 DAYS. 
          AND SO ONE OF THE SOLUTIONS THAT WE DID, UH, DISCUSS, UH, WITH THE APPLICANT, UM, THERE'S A, UH, FIRE CODE, UM, THAT A TEMPORARY STRUCTURE, UM, IS CONSIDERED, IS DEEMED PERMANENT AFTER 180 DAYS. 
          AND SO ONE OPTION THAT WE DISCUSSED WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY IS THERE A MODIFIED PROJECT WITH CONDITIONS SMALLER, UM, GETS PULLED BACK FROM THE RIVER, UM, ADHERES TO ALL THE, UH, VARIOUS POLICIES, UM, IS THERE SOME AMUSEMENT OR ENTERTAINMENT USE, UM, THAT WE COULD LOOK AT FOR UP TO 180 DAYS? UM, AND MS. KRATT WAS REALLY CLEAR IN HER PRESENTATION THAT, UM, SHE'S NOT INTERESTED IN ANYTHING MORE THAN THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE, UH, USE OF HER PROPERTY. 
          AND THAT AGAIN, IT'S HER RIGHT TO, UM, WANT TO DO THAT. 
          AND SO, UH, WE DID TALK ABOUT THE 180 DAYS. 
          NO, WE DID NOT. 
          THIS IS THE FIRST I'VE EVER HEARD OF THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE DID TALK ABOUT THE 180 DAYS AS AN OPTION WITH A SEVERELY MODIFIED PROJECT. 
          AND IT WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANT, UM, WANTED TO ENTERTAIN. 
          AND BRIAN, IF I COULD ADD SOMETHING TO, LEMME SHARE MY SCREEN REAL QUICK. 
          IT'S A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE 60 DAY PERMITS, THE ZONING PERMITS, AS WELL AS THE, UH, CARNIVAL USE. 
          SO HERE IS, HOPEFULLY IT GETS ON THE SCREEN, UH, SHORT-TERM ACTIVITIES. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT A THREE, THIS IS THE CARNIVAL CIRCUS RODEOS AND I HIGHLIGHTED CONCESSION STANCE. 
          SO THAT IS A PERMITTED USE UNDER THE SHORT-TERM 60 DAYS. 
          AND THEN IF WE GO TO THE FLOODWAY ZONE, I HIGHLIGHTED THE CIRCUS CARNIVAL'S, OTHER SIMILAR TRANSIENT USES. 
          YOU DO NOT SEE THE CONCESSION STANDS, UH, USE. 
          SO THERE'S THIS, UH, CANON IN STATUTORY INTERPRETATION. 
          SO HERE YOU HAVE CONCESSION STANDS HERE, YOU DON'T THAT IF THE LEGISLATURE EXPLICITLY INCLUDED LANGUAGE IN ANOTHER STATUTE BUT DIDN'T INCLUDE IT IN THE PRIOR ONE, THAT MEANS THE LEGISLATURE MADE A CONSCIOUS EFFORT HERE. 
          SO THE FACT THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE CONCESSION STANDS IN THE FLOODWAY DISTRICT SHOWS THAT CONCESSION STANDS IS NOT A PERMITTED USE, BUT WOULD BE ALLOWABLE UNDER THOSE SHORT-TERM ACTIVITIES. 
          AND LIKE BRIAN SAID, UH, ANY PERMANENT USE LONGER THAN THAT WOULD REQUIRE BOTH BUILDING AND FIRE SET, SOME SORT OF DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND THEN IN THE PLANNING CORE, UH, STAFF REPORT, IT LAYS OUT SOME JUST, UH, DEFINITIONS OF FLOODWAY EXPLICITLY SAYING NO NEW DEVELOPMENTS ALLOWED. 
          UH, THAT'S THE DEFINITION OF FLOODWAY PROGRAM FOUR P ONE, UH, AS THERE IS NO DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL WITHIN THE FLOODWAY. 
          SO HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION THERE. 
          WELL, I'M STILL THINKING THAT IF YOU OFFERED THEM 180 DAYS, THAT'S NOT QUITE ENOUGH TIME TO DO A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS. 
          UM, 'CAUSE I'M THINKING THE DRYING MONTHS OF THE YEAR ARE LIKE MARCH THROUGH SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER. 
          SO YEAH, SO I CAN, AND HOW WE, HOW WE CAN COME TO A, UM, SO THAT EVERYBODY GETS WHAT THEY WANT  AND LIKE TRYING TO GET A MIDDLE GROUND HERE. 
          I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN DO THAT IF YOU'RE OFFERING 180 DAYS AND COUNCIL MEMBER JUST TO, UM, I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT, BUT, UM, UM, TO ME THE PURPOSE OF THE DISCUSSION HERE, THE APPEAL, UM, PERHAPS, UH, THERE'S A MEDIATION PIECE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, BUT ULTIMATELY IT'S NOT, IT'S WHAT OUR, WHAT MY INTERPRETATION OF THE ZONING CODE, UM, IS. 
          AND SO I THINK THAT'S TO FOCUS THE DISCUSSION A BIT. 
          IF THE COUNCIL FEELS LIKE THAT INTERPRETATION IS AN AC IS INACCURATE, UM, AND FEELS THAT PLANNING COMMISSION 
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AS WELL, UM, IS MISINTERPRETING IT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT DISTINCTION, WE SHOULD, OTHERWISE THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO START ALL OVER AGAIN. 
          WELL, THE PROJECT IS, UH, SUBMITTED AS WE HAVE DESCRIBED HERE. 
          UM, SO BASED ON HOW IT WAS PRESENTED, IT WAS DENIED. 
          UM, AND SO WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE APPEAL PROCESS AT THE MOMENT THAT YOU, BUT IF THEY WENT FOR 180 DAYS, THEY WOULD'VE TO START ALL OVER AGAIN. 
          SO A ZONING PERMIT, UM, UH, IS TO WHAT MS. KRATT MENTIONED, IT'S A DIFFERENT APPLICATION. 
          CORRECT. 
          UM, AND SO, UH, PART OF WHY WE ARE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS, UM, BEFORE MOVING FORWARD ON A ZONING PERMIT APPLICATION IS IF THERE IS SOME APPEAL THAT IS OVERTURNED THROUGH THIS DUE PROCESS THAT IS GOING TO HELP INFORM HOW STAFF IS GOING TO PROCESS ANY OTHER APPLICATION, A FUTURE APPLICATION. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CORRECT. 
          THAT'S ALL. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I, I WISH WE HAD BEEN MADE AWARE OF THAT. 
          WE'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, I I I KINDA GET, I WAS GATHERING THAT THAT, UH, WHICH IS GOOD THAT THERE WAS A, A COMMENT ABOUT, UM, UH, UH, MEDIATION. 
          IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S SOME DISCONNECTS ABOUT, UH, OPTIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT FROM WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          BUT I'D LIKE TO, UH, ASK OUR ATTORNEY TO WEIGH IN HIS COMMENT HERE. 
          I WAS JUST GONNA CLARIFY THAT. 
          UM, IN RESPONSE TO COUNCIL MEMBER NOW'S QUESTION. 
          UM, AND AS I MENTIONED, AND ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I WANTED TO MAKE THOSE INTRODUCTORY REMARKS IS WHAT'S BEFORE THE COUNCIL IS WHAT WAS BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHICH IS THE APPLICATION THAT, THAT BOTH THE APPELLANT AND AND STAFF HAVE DESCRIBED. 
          IT'S IN THE PACKAGE. 
          BRIAN WAS READING IT FROM THE ACTUAL APPLICATION THAT MS. KRATT SUBMITTED. 
          UM, SO IF, UM, YOU KNOW, SHE, DEPENDING ON THE COUNCIL'S DETERMINATION, UM, IF, YOU KNOW, IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION DECISION IS AFFIRMED, THERE'S, THERE'S OPTIONS THAT MS. KRATT HAS, SHE CAN GO BACK TO, TO, UH, AN ADMIN, AN AMENDED APPLICATION COULD BE SUBMITTED. 
          SHE COULD DISCUSS AGAIN, WITH STAFF THE ALTERNATIVES THAT THEY DISCUSS HAVING RAISED IN THE, IN THE MATERIALS THAT ARE BEFORE YOU AND WE'RE BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          SO THERE, THERE'S OP, THERE'S WE ARE OPTIONS. 
          THERE'S A CONSTRAINT TO WHAT WE'RE, UM, DELIBERATING ON TONIGHT. 
          PARDON ME. 
          THERE'S A BIT OF A CONSTRAINT IN WHAT WE'RE DELIBERATING ON WE'RE LOOKING AT, RIGHT. 
          BECAUSE THERE'S WHAT'S BEFORE YOU IS A VERY SPECIFIC THING. 
          AND THAT'S MAYOR MCDONALD. 
          MAY I SPEAK? AND, UM, YES. 
          UM, ONE MINUTE OR LESS. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THERE NEVER WERE ANY ALTERNATIVE SUGGESTIONS RECOMMENDED TO US. 
          I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF AN 180 DAYS. 
          UH, WE WERE TOLD TO APPLY FOR THE 60 DAY PERMIT. 
          IT WAS IGNORED. 
          UM, THE COMMUNICATION'S BEEN REALLY BAD, BUT, UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION ACTUALLY DID TRY TO WORK OUT. 
          JUST AS KAREN NOW IS TRYING, THERE MUST BE SOMETHING BETTER THAN THE 60 DAY PERMIT. 
          60 DAYS IS FOR THE CARNIVAL, WHICH IS INCREDIBLY GENEROUS FOR A CARNIVAL. 
          IT'S, IT WOULD BANKRUPT ME. 
          NOBODY, NO BUSINESS CAN OPERATE. 
          UN UN UNDERSTOOD. 
          LET ME ASK AND INVITE IN COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, SO BEFORE I GET TO MY QUESTIONS, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THE MEETING PAST 11 O'CLOCK. 
          MUCH APPRECIATED. 
          WHO HAS A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT. 
          UH, SECOND BY CATER THOMPSON. 
          MAY WE HAVE A ROLL CALL? COUNCIL MEMBERS BARNACLE. 
          AYE. 
          CATER THOMPSON? YES. 
          HAYLEY? YES. 
          NOW YES. 
          POST K? YES. 
          REBS? YES. 
          MAYOR MCDONALD? YES. 
          MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO IN ON PAGE THREE OF THE STAFF REPORT, THERE'S A REFERENCE TO THE CITY'S FLOODPLAIN ADMINISTRATOR WHO IS THAT? GINA BEEDI. 
          NIK. 
          AND SHE CURRENTLY IS ON ZOOM. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HER. 
          WELL, I MAY, UM, BECAUSE THE, THE PARAGRAPH ON THE TOP OF PAGE THREE TALKS ABOUT THE C R SS 10 POINT SYSTEM AND MAINTAINING THE C R S CLASS SIX RATING. 
          AND THEN IT JUST DOESN'T EXPLAIN HOW THIS PROJECT AND THE FLOODPLAIN ADMINISTRATOR'S OPINION MIGHT AFFECT, UM, THAT 10 POINT SYSTEM OR THE CLASS SIX RATING. 
          SO I WAS GONNA, HOPING WE COULD DO A LITTLE BIT DEEPER DIVE AND I, AND UNDERSTAND EXACTLY HOW THIS WOULD IMPACT THAT THEY'RE ASSUMING IT'S A DEVELOPMENT, WE'RE NOT DEVELOPING ANYTHING. 
          JUST TO BE CLEAR, I THINK WE'RE GONNA BRING IN OUR FLOODPLAIN ADMINISTRATOR TO, UH, RESPOND TO THAT QUESTION. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          SO GINA, GINA, CAN YOU HEAR, HEAR? YEAH, I'M HERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
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AND DID YOU, WERE YOU ABLE TO HEAR THE QUESTION? I AM, BUT I HAVE BACK MY APOLOGIES. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO THE, UH, KESSEL MEMBER HEALY, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. 
          I THINK THE GIST OF, OF THE CONCERN IS WE MAKE A STATEMENT IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT, UM, FLOODWAY DEVELOP AND JEOPARDIZE OUR CLASS SIX C R S RATING. 
          AND YOUR QUESTION IS WHY? AND I, I THINK THE BASIC, UM, THE BASIC RESPONSE IS THAT THE NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE PROTECTION, UH, UM, REGULATIONS, UM, VERY EXPLICITLY STATE THAT NO DEVELOPMENT IS ALLOWED IN THE FLOODWAY. 
          AND THE C R S RATING SYSTEM IS BASED ON A COMMUNITY'S ADHERENCE TO THE NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE PROTECTION PROGRAM. 
          SO THEY'RE, THEY ARE, THEY ARE TIED VERY CLOSELY TOGETHER. 
          ONE COMES FROM THE OTHER C R SS IS, IS THE, UM, IS THE INCENTIVIZED INSURANCE PROGRAM ASSOCIATED WITH, UH, AND PROVIDING THE ABILITY TO, UM, TO IMPLEMENT THE NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE PROTECTION PROGRAM. 
          AND SO THE N F I P REGULATION STATE, NO FLOODWAY DEVELOPMENT IS ALLOWED AS DO OUR, UM, OUR AS DOES OUR, UH, ZONING CODE, OUR, UM, IMPLEMENTING ZONING ORDINANCE IN CHAPTER SIX, UH, UH, VERY SPECIFICALLY, IT USES THAT LANGUAGE BECAUSE N F I P USES THAT LANGUAGE BECAUSE , WE, WE ARE A C R SS COMMUNITY. 
          SO, UM, IF, IF WE ALLOW DEVELOPMENT IN A FLOODPLAIN, UM, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF SPLAINING TO DO, AND VERY LIKELY WE WOULD BE LOSING, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW THE POINT COUNT, NOR IS IT RELEVANT. 
          THERE'S HUNDREDS OF POINTS THAT, UH, WE ACHIEVE THROUGH THE PROGRAM IN DIFFERENT AREAS OF, OF OUR CON, OF OUR, UM, OUR PARTICIPATION. 
          AND, AND OF COURSE, THIS IS ONE OF THE MAJOR COMPONENTS OF OUR PARTICIPATION IN THE PROGRAM. 
          SO WE WOULD LOSE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF POINTS, VERY LIKELY, UM, TAKING, TAKING US A NOTCH DOWN, UH, IN OUR DESIGNATION. 
          AND, UM, UH, A, UH, I, I BELIEVE THAT, UM, I BELIEVE THAT, UM, A HYDRO, UH, SPECIFIC HYDROLOGY AND HYDRAULIC REPORT STUDY BY LICENSED ENGINEERS TO TRY AND PROVE IF, IF WE WANT TO DEVELOP IN THE FLOODPLAIN, WE WOULD HAVE TO PROVE TO N F I P, NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE PROTECTION AND C R S, THAT, UH, BY, UM, BY ALLOWING THAT DEVELOPMENT, THERE WOULD BE NO CHANGE IN, IN THE, UM, IN THE FLOOD WATER, UM, IN ELEVATION, IN, YOU KNOW, IN DEPTH, IN PATH OR COURSE. 
          UM, SO I, THAT'S, UM, I'M NOT QUOTING, I DON'T HAVE THE REG RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT THAT IS THE GIST OF THE REGULATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO, JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON A LITTLE BIT, UM, IN YOUR ANSWER, I, I THINK YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT NO DEVELOPMENT IN THE FLOODWAY, BUT THEN I THINK YOU KIND OF SEGUED, I'M SORRY, DID I SAY PLANE? I MEANT WAY. 
          SO ALL OF THAT IS FLOODWAY, NOT FLOODPLAIN. 
          YES. 
          MY APOLOGIES. 
          WE'RE NOT. 
          IT'S GOOD CATCH. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'RE NOT DINGED AS HEAVILY FOR DEVELOPMENT IN THE FLOODPLAIN. 
          'CAUSE THAT DOES OCCASIONALLY HAPPEN. 
          IT DOES. 
          UM, WITH, WITH VERY STRICT CONDITIONS. 
          YES, IT DOES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          SO I, I GUESS THE MORE FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION IS WHY ARE WE CHARACTERIZING THIS AS A DEVELOPMENT IF EVERYTHING HERE IS ON WHEELS AND CAN BE MOVED, IS THAT REALLY DEVELOPMENT IN, IN, IN AND I, THE WORD DEVELOPMENT AND VARIATIONS ON IT APPEARS, YOU KNOW, DOZENS OF TIMES IN THE STAFF REPORT AND IT'S JUST KIND OF AN ASSUMPTION. 
          UM, PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPING IN FLOODWAYS, DEVELOPING IN FLOODWAY, DEVELOPMENT OF LAND, PROPOSED PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, NO ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND IT GOES ON. 
          WHY IS THIS THE DEVELOPMENT IF EVERYTHING GOES ON WHEELS AND CAN BE MOVED? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION AND ESSENTIALLY IS THE CRUX OF, I THINK A LOT OF THE DISAGREEMENT. 
          UM, AND SO THE CODE DEFINES WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT DEVELOPMENT, UM, AS MS. KRATT HAD IDENTIFIED, THERE'S, UH, 
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BUILDINGS AND PERMANENT STRUCTURES. 
          UM, WE DEFINE DEVELOPMENT AS A CITY IN, IN OUR CODE, UH, MUCH MORE BROADLY. 
          AND SO THAT WAS WHERE, UM, AND I'M HAPPY TO PUT IT BACK UP ON THE SCREEN. 
          NO, FILL NEW CONSTRUCTION. 
          SO YES, THAT'S PART OF DEVELOPMENT, INTENSIFICATION OF EXISTING USE. 
          UH, CURRENTLY IT IS UNDEVELOPED. 
          IT IS SITTING, VACANT, UH, CHANGE TO A MORE INTENSIVE USE. 
          UH, THE PROJECT IS PROPOSING SOMETHING THAT IS MUCH MORE INTENSIVE, UH, SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENTS, OTHER DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, THIS ALL GOES INTO A DEFINITION, UH, UH, THAT THE CITY CODE DEFINES AS DEVELOPMENT IN THE FLOODWAY. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M GONNA SKIP THE NEXT COUPLE OF QUESTIONS IN, IN RECOGNITION OF THE HOUR. 
          BUT, AND THIS, THIS IS KIND OF A COMBINATION QUESTION, COMMENT, BUT I'M GOING TO PUT IT OUT THERE NOW 'CAUSE I I WOULD CERTAINLY PUT IT OUT LATER ANYWAY. 
          UM, BUT THE CONTRAST WITH THIS APPLICATION, WITH, WITH THE, UM, HOTEL PROPOSED FOR DOWNTOWN, UM, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER IN THE CONTEXT OF STORY POLLS IS KIND OF INTERESTING TO ME BECAUSE THAT HOTEL CLEARLY IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH EXISTING ZONING EXISTING REGULATIONS, AND YET IT'S MOVING FORWARD PAIRED WITH PROPOSED REGULATION CHANGES OR ZONING CHANGES THAT ARE GONNA BE BROUGHT FORWARD, I GUESS, BEFORE THAT HOTEL HAPPENS. 
          W WAS THAT CONSIDERED HERE? AND WOULD THAT BE A POSSIBLE MODEL FORWARD HERE MORE WAY, WAY FORWARD HERE? UM, YOU KNOW, I I HAVE TO SAY I AM MORE AMUSED THAN IMPRESSED BY THE CONCESSION DENT, UH, STAND DISTINCTION BETWEEN TWO DIFFERENT, UH, ORDINANCES THAT WERE PROBABLY DRAFTED AT TWO DIFFERENT TIMES. 
          AND, UH, I THINK STAFF IS GIVING, UH, WAY MORE CREDENCE TO, UH, WORDING CHANGES THAT PROBABLY WEREN'T EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT AT THE TIME. 
          BUT WOULD, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO FOLLOW THE, THE HOTEL MODEL HERE GOING FORWARD, REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENS TONIGHT AND AND HAVE AMENDMENTS TO THE ZONING CODE THAT DON'T DO VIOLENCE TO OUR, OUR ARE VERY SINCERE EFFORT AND NEED TO, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER, UH, PROVIDE FLOODPLAIN PROTECT FLOOD PROTECTION. 
          THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER. 
          UH, SHORT ANSWER, YES. 
          UM, SO THAT'S, UH, TYPICAL OF A, UM, ENTITLEMENT. 
          UM, I WOULD ALSO CAVEAT THAT WITH SAYING THAT THIS CITY, THIS, UM, UH, PROCESS SO FAR AS PART OF THE MORE COMPREHENSIVE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE, UM, IS GOING IN THE OTHER DIRECTION, PROTECTING OUR RIVER, PROTECTING THE FLOODWAY, UM, MAKING IT MORE NATURAL. 
          UM, AND SO I WOULD SUSPECT AS PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN DISCUSSION, UH, WE WOULD HAVE A MUCH MORE DETAILED CONVERSATION ABOUT FOOD TRUCKS. 
          WE WOULD HAVE A MUCH MORE DETAILED CONVERSATION ABOUT, UM, WHAT CONSTITUTES DEVELOPMENT, UM, IN THE FLOODWAY. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, TO YOUR POINT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, IT'S AN IMPERFECT CODE, RIGHT? AND, AND I THINK WHAT WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO DO HERE IS TO INTERPRET IT TO THE BEST OF OUR, UM, ABILITIES. 
          AND SO AGAIN, WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS HERE. 
          UM, IT'S PART OF THE DUE PROCESS RIGHTS. 
          IT'S PART OF, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT MAKES, UM, PUBLIC PROCESS AND PARTICIPATION SO GREAT IS WE'RE ABLE TO HAVE THESE DIALOGUES. 
          AND I'LL JUST ADD REAL QUICK, YES, STAFF DO BELIEVE IT WOULD REQUIRE A AMENDMENT TO THE ZONING CODE, BUT AGAIN, THAT WASN'T PART OF THE APPLICATION AND THAT'S NOT BEFORE US. 
          IT'S WHETHER THIS USE THE COMMUNITY MARKETPLACE IS ALLOWABLE IN A USE IN THE FLOODWAY. 
          AND THE CLOSEST DEFINITION THAT CITY STAFF AND APPLICANT FOUND WAS THAT TRANSIENT CARNIVAL CIRCUS. 
          NOWHERE WILL YOU SEE FOOD TRUCKS IN THE, UH, I Z O. 
          AND THERE'S A STATUTE AGAIN, UH, IF AND FOR LAND USE, IF THE SPECIFIC USE IS NOT ALLOWED, THEN THAT'S A REASON. 
          UH, AND IT'S NOT SIMILAR TO STAFF IN THE PLANNING OR STAFF REPORT. 
          IT'S NOT SIMILAR TO THOSE CIRCUS CARNIVAL TRANSIENT 'CAUSE CIRCUS CARNIVALS THAT'S FOR ENTERTAINMENT, UH, WHILE FOOD TRUCKS IS MORE FOR RETAIL. 
          AND THEN THE TRANSIENT ASPECT WHERE IT WOULD BE, UH, YOU KNOW, MORE PERMANENT OR LONGER LASTING, EVEN 180, 60 DAYS IS LONGER THAN YOU HAVE THOSE CIRCUSES THAT COME IN. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE TWO REASONS WHY NOT TRANSIENT AND NOT FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES IS WHY STAFF WAS UNABLE TO MAKE THOSE FINDINGS THAT CARNIVALS AND CIRCUSES WERE SIMILAR TO, UH, THE PROPOSED APPLICATION HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL SAVE THE REST OF MY COMMENTS FOR LATER. 
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OKAY. 
          UH, COUNCIL MEMBER OR VICE MAYOR OR CAMERON THOMPSON? I JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, 22 YEARS AGO I WAS BACK IN WASHINGTON, DC FOR THE FLOOD CONTROL PROJECT, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A USE IN A FLOODWAY. 
          HOW MANY FLOODS HAVE ANY OF US SEEN? HOW MANY OF US HAVE GONE DOWN AND HAD TO HELP PEOPLE GET OUT BECAUSE OF THE FLOODING? THIS IS REALLY, THIS IS A VALUE ISSUE ALSO. 
          DO WE WANT TO ALLOW USE ON FLOODWAY PROPERTY AND THEN WHAT'S THE NEXT PROPERTY AND THEN, THEN THE NEXT PROPERTY, AND THEN SOMEBODY'S GONNA COME? WELL, THERE'S A PRECEDENT, SO WE CAN JUST GO AHEAD AND DO THAT. 
          WE'RE GONNA GO RIGHT BACK TO WHERE WE WERE FLOODING PEOPLE'S HOMES. 
          WE HAVE LEISURE LAKE UP THE RIGHT IN THIS AREA. 
          YOU HAVE, I MEAN, THE PICTURE OF THE, UM, DRIVING RANGE WAS COMPLETELY UNDERWATER. 
          AND YET HOME DEPOT TRIED TO GO THERE AT ONE POINT FOR A MAJOR DEVELOPMENT PROJECT. 
          SO I THINK WE REALLY HAVE TO LOOK AT, UM, WHERE DO WE WANNA GO WITH OUR COMMUNITY? I KNOW WITHIN THE GENERAL PLAN, THERE WAS TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO BE AT LEAST A HUNDRED FEET, 500 FEET, YOU KNOW, FROM THE, FROM THE RIVER. 
          WE DON'T HAVE THAT REALLY DETERMINED, EXCEPT THAT 40 FEET IS NOT ACCEPTABLE FROM THE RIVER. 
          I JUST THINK IT'S, WE REALLY HAVE TO DECIDE, DO WE WANNA GO AHEAD AND SUPPORT DEVELOPMENT IN A FLOOD WAY AND PETALUMA'S HISTORY, YOU KNOW, GOING BACK A LONG, LONG TIME, ALL DOWNTOWN USED TO FLOOD UNTIL THEY PUT ALL THESE PUMPING STATIONS IN. 
          LAKEVILLE FLOODED EVERY YEAR. 
          WASHINGTON STREET FLOODED EVERY YEAR. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK INTO THE FUTURE. 
          AND THEN WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IN THIS COMMUNITY IS TRYING TO REVERSE BAD DECISIONS FROM THE PAST AND TO, AND TO EVEN CONSIDER A BAD DECISION BRINGING BACK DEVELOPMENT OR USES IN A FLOODWAY, I THINK IS, UM, IS BACKWARDS. 
          AND I THINK IT IS IRRESPONSIBLE OF ANY ELECTED OFFICIAL TO SUPPORT THIS. 
          WELL, WE'RE STILL IN THE QUESTION ROUND. 
          UM, WE'LL GET THE COMMENT ROUND. 
          WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC, UH, UM, COMMENT ROUND IN A MINUTE. 
          AND I'M CHECKING, CAN I, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? MAYOR MCDONALD? UM, NO. 
          UM, COUNCIL'S, UH, ASKING QUESTIONS IS MINUTE WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL CYCLE BACK, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER SCH STRIPS. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL DO MY BEST TO, UH, KEEP AWAY FROM COMMENT AND, AND STAY ON QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, UH, I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN, UH, HEALY ON, UH, THE DEFINITION OF DEVELOPMENT, THAT WHAT IT MEANS. 
          SO THE, OBVIOUSLY THERE IS SOME PROBLEMS THERE. 
          SO THE FIRST ONE IS NOT JUST OUR DEFINITION OF DEVELOPMENT, BUT FEMA'S AND THE INSURANCE COMPANY'S DEFINITION OF DEVELOPMENT WITH, THEY CONSIDER THIS TO BE DEVELOPMENT OR NOT. 
          THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. 
          UH, WE ALSO HAVE GINA HERE, UM, THAT, YEAH, UH, MAYBE IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF I, I DID FIND THE, DID FIND THE CLAUSE THAT I WAS REFERRING TO FROM THE N F I P REQUIREMENTS. 
          UM, THIS IS FROM FEMA'S WEBSITE. 
          AND, UM, UH, AND I'LL PREFACE THE COMMENT WITH SOMETHING I WANTED TO SAY EARLIER. 
          I BELIEVE IT, IT WAS IN RESPONSE TO A QUESTION ABOUT, ABOUT CHANGING, UM, ZONING. 
          AND I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT WHILE THERE ARE AVENUES TO CHANGE THINGS, CHANGING THE DESIGNATED REGULATORY FLOODWAY IS NOT IN OUR PURVIEW. 
          THAT WAS DETERMINED BY FEMA. 
          IT WAS ESTABLISHED IN A FLOOD STUDY FOR THE CITY OF PETALUMA IN, UH, I THINK THE SEVENTIES. 
          AND, AND IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE ARE AT LIBERTY TO CHANGE. 
          SO, UH, JUST A PREFACE TO THAT, UH, PREFACE REMARK, UH, IN THAT REGARD. 
          AND THEN I'M, I'M CAPTURING, UM, UH, THIS IS FROM 44 C F R 16.3 D. 
          PARAGRAPH THREE MEANS NOTHING, BUT IT'S FROM THE N F I P REQUIREMENTS. 
          AND I CAN PROVIDE, UH, THIS DOCUMENTATION AS A FOLLOW UP. 
          UH, AND I'M JUST GONNA READ VERBATIM IN THE RE REGULATORY, FLOODWAYS COMMUNITIES MUST PROHIBIT ENCROACHMENTS, INCLUDING FILL NEW CONSTRUCTION, SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENTS AND OTHER DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE ADOPTED REGULATORY FLOODWAY. 
          AND THERE'S ONE CAVEAT, UNLESS IT HAS BEEN DEMONSTRATED THROUGH HYDROLOGIC AND HYDRAULIC ANALYSES PERFORMED IN ACCORDANCE WITH STANDARD ENGINEERING PRACTICE, THAT THE ENCROACHMENT WOULD NOT RESULT IN ANY INCREASE IN FLOOD LEVELS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY DURING THE OCCURRENCE OF A BASE FLOOD DISCHARGE. 
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AND THEY GO ON TO SAY, UM, THE KEY CONCERN IS THAT EACH PROJECT PROPOSED IN THE FLOODWAY, UH, RECEIVE A WOULD, WOULD RECEIVE AN ENCROACHMENT REVIEW FOR, FOR THIS TO OCCUR. 
          AND THAT, UM, UH, YOU CANNOT ALLOW, UM, A, A, A FOOT OF CHANGE. 
          YOU CAN'T ALLOW A 10TH OF A FOOT OF CHANGE. 
          IT MEANS ZERO INCREASE. 
          IT IS A VERY, VERY HIGH MARK TO TRY AND, AND ESTABLISH, UM, THAT THAT EXCEPTION CONDITION. 
          SO, UM, UH, AND, AND DO THEY DEFINE TO YOUR QUESTION? UH, THE WORD IM, UH, SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENTS IS THE TERM THEY USE AND OTHER DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, AND I DON'T HAVE THEIR DEFINITION HANDY, BUT, UM, UH, I, I CAN RESEARCH THAT AND, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE THAT. 
          UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S GONNA VERY MUCH FROM OUR UNDERSTANDING OF DEVELOPMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT BRINGS ME TO THE NEXT QUESTION THAT YOU REFERRED TO A COUPLE OF STATEMENTS IN THERE THAT YOU MADE. 
          AND ONE IS ABOUT FILL. 
          AND, UH, WHEN I'M READING THE DOCUMENTATIONS, UM, THERE'S ACTUALLY A REFERENCE ALSO NO NET FILL AND THAT, UH, NO NET FILL WAS CONSI STILL CONSIDERED NOT FILLING? AND SO IS THERE A POSSIBILITIES, UM, UH, FOR, UH, A COMBINATION OF TERRACING OF MOVEMENT OF THE GROUND? SO PART OF IT WOULD BE WE WOULD MOVE PART OF THE GROUND UP AND SOME DOWN, SO BY THE RIVER, SO LIKE BILE SWELLS, UM, OR MODIFICATIONS BY THE A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK, THAT WOULD BE MADE OFF. 
          ANOTHER QUESTION ON SETBACKS, BY THE WAY, BUT NO NET FILL, WOULD THAT BE A POSSIBLE AND STILL BE DEFINED AS NO FILL? UH, IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 
          I, I THINK THAT OUR LOCAL ORDINANCE, UM, IN THIS ZONE IS, UH, IS A NO NET FILL REQUIREMENT. 
          AND I THINK THAT THAT WOULD TAKE PRECEDENT. 
          AND ERIC OR DYLAN, YOU MIGHT WANNA HELP ME OUT WITH THAT. 
          UH, GINA, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN HELP YOU OUT WITH THAT, BUT I DO WANT TO JUST CAVEAT EVEN BEFORE WE GET TO THE DEVELOPMENT TALK, THE FIRST THING THAT PLANNING STAFF DOES WITH AN APPLICATION IS FIGURE OUT IF THAT USE IS ALLOWABLE. 
          IF IT IS ALLOWABLE, THEN THEY'LL FIGURE OUT THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          PART OF THAT IS RIGHT, BRIAN. 
          OKAY, BRIAN IS NODDING. 
          SO HERE AGAIN, STAFF, AND IT'S AT THE VERY LAST SLIDE, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF, WERE UNABLE TO APPROVE THE PROJECT FOR THREE REASONS. 
          THE FIRST ONE, NOT WITHIN THE GENERAL PLAN, UH, CONFORMANCE TWO, IT WAS NOT A, A A A USE THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE FLOODWAY. 
          AND THEN IT GETS TO THAT DEVELOPMENT FOR THE THIRD PART. 
          UH, AND AGAIN, YOU HAVE THE GENERAL PLAN AND NO DEVELOPMENT REALLY TRYING TO LIMIT THE USES IN THE FLOODWAY. 
          THEY, THEN YOU GET TO THE SECOND PART, THE USE, THE USES THAT WERE APPLICABLE HERE IN THE FLOODWAY ARE THOSE TRANSIENT CARNIVAL CIRCUSES. 
          SO AGAIN, NOT TRANSIENT, NOT A CARNIVAL OR CIRCUS, NOT FOR ENTERTAINMENT. 
          AND THEN YOU GET TO THE DEVELOPMENTS. 
          SO, UM, I THINK THERE, THERE'S THREE REASONS TO DENY THIS. 
          SO I DON'T EVEN THINK YOU NEED TO GET TO THE DEVELOPMENT PART, COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          OKAY. 
          I I WOULD ALSO ADD THERE'S NO PROPOSAL FOR TERRACING THAT'S SUBMITTED WITH THE APPLICATION. 
          NO, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          AND THERE'S SIGNIFICANT C Q A WORK AND, AND ANALYTIC WORK THAT WOULD NEED TO HAPPEN AND REGULATORY REVIEW AS TO WHETHER IT BE PERMITTED. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S WHERE, SORT OF WHERE I'M GOING, UM, IN THAT AREA. 
          UM, BECAUSE THE NEXT COUPLE QUESTIONS DEAL WITH, UM, UM, THE POSSIBILITIES OF THIS ACTUALLY GETTING THROUGH ENVIRONMENTAL, UM, RULES AND REGULATIONS AND THE LIKE, AND THE SE A, UM, 'CAUSE I KNOW, UH, FROM MY WORK DEALING WITH CREEKS AND STUFF IN THE PAST, UM, AND THERE WAS MENTION OF A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACKS AND 400 SETBACKS FOR VARIOUS REASONS, UM, FROM COMING FROM VARIOUS REGULATION TYPE THINGS. 
          AND, UM, SO I ALREADY KNOW THAT THE, THE A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK IS BASICALLY ARE GONNA BE PROBABLY REQUIRE COMPLETE ENVIRONMENTAL RESTORATION OF THE A HUNDRED FEET FROM THE CENTER OF THE RIVER BACK, IF NOT THE, THE, THE RIVER BANK. 
          SO, UM, SO IN REFERENCE TO THAT A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK THAT'S IN THE DOCUMENTATIONS, UM, IS, IS THAT INTERPRETATION CORRECT, THAT THAT WOULD ONLY BE ALLOWED, THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED IN A HUNDRED FOOT OF THE RIVER TO DO ANYTHING WOULD BE TO ACTUALLY RESTORE THAT LAND INTO A MORE NATURAL SETTING THAT WOULD ACTUALLY IMPROVE HYDROLOGY AND CREATE A MORE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, I THINK. 
          UM, AM I CORRECT IN ASSUMING THAT THAT WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT OF 
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ANYTHING THAT WE WOULD BE DOING? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THEN THERE WAS A 400 FOOT BACK FOR, AGAIN, THIS IS WHERE DEVELOPMENT, THE 400 FOOT SETBACK FOR DEVELOPMENT, HOWEVER YOU WANNA DEFINE THAT. 
          UM, SO THAT'S INCLUDED IN THERE. 
          UM, THE OTHER QUESTIONS IS, UM, I THINK THERE WAS, I'VE ASKED QUESTIONS BEFORE WITH, WITH STAFF, UM, CONSIDERING THE PAST VERSUS WHAT WE NEEDED IN THE FUTURE, I THINK, UH, WHAT WAS REFERRED TO, UH, A LITTLE EARLIER OF WHERE ARE WE GOING AND, AND WHAT DO WE ACTUALLY NEED? UM, AND OF COURSE THERE IS, I MEAN, IT'S OBVIOUS FROM THE IMMEDIATE LOCATIONS. 
          THERE'S LOTS OF PAST TRANSGRESSIONS EVEN BY THE CITY ITSELF. 
          UH, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF IN THE GROUND OUT THERE, UH, THAT WAS PUT DOWN THERE, UH, THAT WOULD NOT PASS MUSTARD TODAY. 
          UM, SO THE PAST VERSUS THE FUTURE ANYWAY. 
          UM, SO IN THE, SO FOR THE FUTURE NEEDS, WOULD THIS, IF, IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, HOW MUCH IMPACT WOULD IT HAVE FOR, LET'S SAY THE AREA OF THE, LET'S SAY DOWNSTREAM WE HAVE TALKING ABOUT THE GREENWAY PARK AREA AROUND THE OUTLET MALL. 
          WHAT IMPACT WOULD THIS HAVE ON ANYTHING THAT WE MIGHT, THAT MIGHT BE PROPOSED DOWNSTREAM IN THOSE LOCATIONS? IS THERE A, IS THERE A SORT OF LIKE A, A CONNECTION THAT, THAT MIGHT BE MADE AND SOME PROBLEMS THAT WE MAY FACE DOWNSTREAM PHYSICALLY AS WELL AS TIME-WISE, UH, WITH, WITH DEVELOPERS WHO WANT TO DO SOMETHING DOWNSTREAM? IF, IF THIS PASSES, IS THERE A, IS THERE GONNA BE A, A HISTORY OF PRECEDENT THAT WE'RE SETTING HERE? WELL, IF, IF I COULD START THAT, UM, HOW THE COUNCIL'S THE LEGISLATIVE BODY FOR THE CITY AND, AND IT, IT'S THE COUNCIL'S INTERPRETATIONS OF ITS LEGISLATION TO WHICH COURTS WILL DEFER. 
          SO HOW THE EXISTING REGULATIONS GET INTERPRETED AND CONSTRUED BY THE COUNCIL IS RELEVANT TO HOW THEY GET INTERPRETED AND CONSTRUED, UM, TO OTHER APPLICATIONS. 
          UM, IN TERMS OF HYDROLOGIC ANALYSIS AND, AND WHAT, WHAT IMPACT ON THE COURSE FLOOD WATERS TAKE, UM, DOWNSTREAM FROM THIS SIDE. 
          THAT'S AN INCREDIBLY COMPLIC AS YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD KNOW THAT WOULD, THAT'S, I I I MEAN GINA GINA'S MORE QUALIFIED TO ADJUST THAT. 
          BUT, BUT, UM, IN THE LAW, IN LITIGATION OF THOSE MATTERS ABOUT WHAT IS, UM, WHAT MIGHT BE AN UNREASONABLE UPSTREAM USE THAT DAMAGES DOWNSTREAM USERS, THAT'S AN INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT THING TO ESTABLISH. 
          BUT IN TERMS OF, UM, THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL'S REGULATIONS ON THE BOOKS IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING, UM, HOW THE COUNCIL INTERPRETS THESE SAME REQUIREMENTS AS THEY MAY APPLY TO OTHER PROJECTS, UM, IS RELEVANT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS A, A POSSIBLY PRECEDENT SETTING. 
          I MEAN, THE OTHER THING IS, UM, WE DO HAVE A, A GROUP CALLED ZONE TWO A IN OUR, UH, THAT LOOKS AT THE FLOOD MANAGEMENT ENTIRELY. 
          AND SO, UM, WITH THIS STILL, IF IT GOES, IT HAS TO GO THROUGH C A, IT WOULD HAVE TO, UH, IF WE WERE TO PROCEED FORWARD, IT WOULD STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH C A AND A FLOOD ZONE TWO, A GROUP WHICH MANAGES FLOODING MANAGEMENT. 
          UH, WOULD THEY, WOULD THIS HAVE TO PASS THROUGH THAT GROUP ALSO TO GET PERMISSION TO ANYTHING HAPPEN? 'CAUSE IT IS A FLOODWAY, I HAVE NEVER SEEN THEM REVIEW OUR PROJECTS IN THAT WAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT DOESN'T GO THERE. 
          UM, IS THERE OTHER REGULATORY BODIES THAT THIS WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH? UM, I KNOW IT WAS WHAT ROADBLOCKS, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF, WOULD, WOULD THIS HAVE TO PASS? SO REMEMBER, UM, WHAT'S, WHAT'S BEFORE US IS THE PROJECT IS DESCRIBED IN THE, IN THE UPHELD PRESENTATION IN THE STAFF REPORT. 
          AND THAT'S ALL THAT'S BEFORE US. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          BEFORE US. 
          AND SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A PROPOSED USE THAT AVOIDS IMPROVEMENTS, UM, ON THAT SITE THAT HAS A FLOODWAY ZONING DESIGNATION. 
          AND YOU'VE HEARD DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, WHAT STAFF BELIEVES ARE INCONSISTENCIES WITH THE GENERAL PLAN AND ALSO INCONSISTENCIES WITH THE APPLICABLE ZONING. 
          UM, UM, AND, AND I THINK THE APPLICANT'S CLEAR THAT THE APPLICANT'S TRYING TO AVOID IMPROVEMENTS, BUT THERE'S ALSO DISCUSSION THE STAFF REPORT ABOUT THE KINDS OF ACTIVITIES THAT ARE PLANNED AND THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY WOULD REQUIRE, RIGHT? SUCH AS SAFE PATHS OF TRAVEL AND, AND, YOU KNOW, ACCESSIBLE, YOU KNOW, TRAVEL FOR, FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES AND ET CETERA, ET CETERA. 
          AND ALSO, UM, UTILITIES THAT WILL BE REQUIRED. 
          SO THAT'S ANOTHER OF THE CHALLENGES. 
          BUT, UM, BUT, BUT WHAT'S BEFORE THE COUNCIL IS WHAT'S BEEN DESCRIBED AS BEING BEFORE 
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THE COUNCIL, RIGHT? I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY IF, IF WE DID APPROVE THIS, THAT THERE'S LOTS OF OTHER POSSIBLE ROADBLOCKS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE OVERCOME FOR THIS TO HAPPEN. 
          WELL, WELL SOMETHING THERE, THERE'S, UM, IF THE COUNCIL WERE TO REMAND THIS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION WITH INSTRUCTIONS, UM, OR GIVE DIRECTION FOR IT TO RETURN TO THE COUNCIL, UM, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IN THE RECORD TO CONSIDER THAT. 
          THAT'S NOT IN THE RECORD RIGHT NOW. 
          SO, UM, 'CAUSE THERE'S NO PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS, THERE'S JUST AN OUTLINE OF THINGS THAT WOULD HAPPEN IN CERTAIN PARTS OF THE SITE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND ALL THAT YOU HAVE REALLY IS THAT THERE'S NO ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW, THERE'S NO DISCUSSION OF GRADING OR TERRACING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          UM, AND THERE'S JUST, THERE'S JUST A FOOTPRINT AND APPROXIMATE NOT TO SCALE FOOTPRINT SHOWING THINGS THAT WOULD HAPPEN IN CERTAIN LOCATIONS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, AND THAT'S, I UNDERSTAND. 
          AND THIS KIND OF LEGALISTIC ANALYSIS OF, OF WHAT THE CODE WOULD SUGGEST AND, AND WHAT, WHAT I READ AS STAFF'S EFFORT TO TRY TO RESPOND TO THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED AND ALSO INDICATE WHAT STAFF VIEWED AS THE, AS THE MOST, UM, POTENTIALLY PROMISING WAY TO TRY TO SEEK APPROVAL, BUT THAT THE, BUT THAT THE APPLICANT DID NOT SEEK BECAUSE IT LIMITED THE, UM, THE USE TO, UM, TO, UM, PERIODIC USE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, WHICH, WHICH RAISES THE QUESTION ON THE ACTUAL APPLICATION ITSELF, UM, FROM WHAT STAFF HAS SEEN FROM, UM, APPLICANTS IN THE PAST IS THIS APPLICATION, UH, THE DRAWINGS THEMSELVES WERE NOT ACCURATE TO THE ACTUAL DESIGN OF THE SITE, THE ACTUAL SIZE AND SHAPE OF THE SITE. 
          SO IN THIS APPLICATION, WHICH IS VERY CONCEPTUAL RATHER THAN DETAILS ON THINGS, UM, WOULD YOU CONSIDER FROM ALL THE OTHER APPLICANTS THAT YOU'VE SEEN FROM SIMILAR, THAT MIGHT BE, LIKE FOR, FOR PROJECTS, WOULD, IS THIS AN APPLICANT THAT, UH, AN APPLICATION THAT WAS THOROUGH OR DETAILED ENOUGH TO, TO CUT THE MUSTARD FOR, FOR MOVING FORWARD? UM, OR IS IT A LITTLE BIT, UM, CONCEPTUAL AND DOES IT MEET STANDARDS IS WHAT I'M ASKING FOR THE ACTUAL APPLICATION ITSELF? GREAT QUESTION. 
          SO I THINK WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO, UM, IS, UM, IS STRIKE A BALANCE KNOWING THAT, UH, SO THERE WAS A TIMELINE SLIDE THAT I PULLED UP BEFORE WE RECEIVED OR STARTED PROCESSING. 
          THE ACTUAL APPLICATION STAFF WENT THROUGH AT NO COST, JUST OUR BASE LEVEL OF SERVICE AS, UH, YOU KNOW, OUR PUBLIC, UH, PLANNING COUNTER, UM, WAS TO MAKE AN INITIAL DETERMINATION. 
          IS THIS SOMETHING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD WANT TO ACTIVATE A COST RECOVERY ACCOUNT? UH, BECAUSE THERE'S, IT HAS MERIT. 
          IT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CODE, UM, MAY PERMIT. 
          IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          HAD THOSE BOXES BEEN CHECKED, UH, THERE WOULD'VE BEEN A MUCH MORE DETAILED APPLICATION, UH, TO YOUR POINT. 
          UM, AND TO ATTORNEY DAN LEE'S POINT, THE ENVIRONMENTAL, UM, UH, THERE WOULD'VE BEEN AN ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW. 
          UM, AND SO ALL OF THIS, UM, AND I KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE DISAGREEMENT, UM, FROM MS. KRATT, UM, WAS A WAY TO SAVE COST AND TIME, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT FOR THE CITY, UM, TO AVOID THIS. 
          AND SO, UM, AGAIN, WE'VE TRIED TO MAKE ALL, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TRIED TO MAKE THE CONCESSIONS THAT WE FEEL THE CODES AND POLICIES ALLOW. 
          UM, AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANT WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH. 
          UM, THERE WAS A NUMBER OF, UM, ERRORS AND, UM, UH, FALSE STATEMENTS THAT WAS MADE THAT WERE MADE IN THE PRESENTATION. 
          UH, SO IF I'M GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY, I'M HAPPY TO, UM, BE RESPONSIVE TO SOME OF THOSE. 
          AND I, AND I THINK, UH, WE, WE CAN SEE KIND OF WHERE YOU'RE DRILLING TO. 
          UM, I, I'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, COMPACT THE QUESTION A LITTLE BIT. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE APPELLANT HERE TOO, AND SO I THINK WE NEED TO GIVE THE APPELLANT 30 SECONDS TO WEIGH IN ON OKAY. 
          SO MUCH THAT'S BEEN TRANSPIRING. 
          SO JUST QUICKLY, I WANTED TO NOTE THAT THE, UM, THAT NOVEMBER 15 RESPONSE, UH, REVIEW AND RESPONSE, UM, THAT, THAT BRIAN JUST REFERRED TO IS, IS IN, IS IN THE PACKAGE AS PART OF THE, PART OF WHAT WAS BEFORE THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          UM, AND I THINK PROCEDURALLY, UM, ONCE WE GET, GET THE COUNCIL QUESTIONS AND RESPOND TO THEM, UM, WE WOULD TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT AND AFTER THAT DIDN'T HAVE A REBUTTAL PERIOD, THE APPLICANT, THE APPELLANT WOULD GET FIVE MINUTES TO REBUT ANYTHING THE APPELLANT WANTS TO REBUT PUBLIC COMMENT, STAFF COMMENT. 
          I THINK IF WE HAD RATHER DIRECT QUESTIONS, THEY'D BE ABLE TO ARCHIVE IT 
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AS DIRECT RESPONDING AND, AND PROCESS QUESTIONS GET DIFFICULT TO COME BACK TO. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I'D, I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU TO TIGHTEN UP THE QUESTION. 
          UM, AND THEN THE, THE OTHER MATTER THAT THE ATTORNEYS, UH, MENTIONED IS WE'RE DEALING WITH THE PROPOSAL AT HAND AND THE DECISIONS AT HAND AND STAYING AWAY FROM THE MORE SPECULATIVE WHAT COULD HAPPEN. 
          AND, AND SO I THINK THE QUESTIONS ARE DRIFTING IN TODAY. 
          ISN'T THERE A, A GOOD SOLUTION OUT THERE SOMEWHERE? BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE AT TONIGHT. 
          SO DID YOU WANT TO CONTINUE THAT OR DOES JUST ONE MORE JUST DEFINITION? YEAH, JUST ONE MORE DEFINITION, JUST HELP, HELP DEFINE, 'CAUSE I KNOW THERE SOME CONFUSION OF PERMEABLE VERSUS IMPERMEABLE SURFACES AND, UH, UH, WHAT CAN BE DONE FOR STILL TO BE PERMEABLE IS, IS WHAT'S BEING HAPPENING OUT THERE. 
          NOW, THERE'S SOME GRAVEL FIELD THAT'S BEEN GOING ON. 
          UM, IS, UH, WHAT'S, WHAT DEFINES IMPERMEABLE VERSUS PERMEABLE SURFACES? WHAT'S BEING REFERRED TO, UH, BY, IN THE DOCUMENTS, JUST TO DIVIDE WORDS. 
          CAN I ASK EXAM? REMEMBER TRYING TO FOCUS ON THE, UM, THE EXISTING PROJECT BEFORE US AND THE QUESTION OF WHETHER, UM, IT SATISFIES THE APPLICABLE ZONING AND GENERAL PLAN REQUIREMENTS. 
          CAN I ASK IN WHAT, IN RELATION TO WHAT OF THOSE? YOU'RE ASKING THE PERMEABILITY QUESTION, UM, BECAUSE I DID, WE HAVEN'T, IT'S NOT IN, IN THE, WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED IT IN THE, BUT I'LL LEAVE IT BE OKAY. 
          I'M DONE. 
          I KNOW, I KNOW IT AFFECTS ABSORPTION OF WATER, BUT YES, THAT'S NOT ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE, IT'S NOT ONE OF THE CRITERIA THAT THE CONCERN HERE IN THE APPLICATION. 
          I JUST WANTED TO CHECK WITH THAT, THAT THAT'S NOT, UH, THERE. 
          NOPE. 
          IT MIGHT BE DOWN THE ROAD FOR OTHER THINGS, BUT IT'S NOT PART OF THE CAMPUS. 
          SO IN THE INTEREST OF GETTING TO PUBLIC COMMENT, I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO HOLD FOR A SECOND. 
          YEAH, THAT'S FINE. 
          I'M GOOD. 
          SEE IF WE CAN BE CONCISE HERE AND THEN GET BACK OUT TO PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          UM, DID, UH, COUNCILOR , DID YOU, I SAW A HAND, I THOUGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'LL TRY TO MAKE A COUPLE LIMIT MY QUESTIONS. 
          WE WILL QUESTIONS? GOOD? YEAH, THE QUESTIONS, UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST, UH, KEEP, UH, TWISTING BACK ON MYSELF. 
          EVERYTHING I THINK ABOUT THIS, YOU KNOW, I, I, I UNDERSTAND EVERYONE'S TRYING, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO INTERPRET IT IN THE WAY THAT IT IS. 
          BUT FOR EXAMPLE, THE QUESTION OF ENTERTAINMENT, IT SEEMS TO ME THEY MENTIONED MUSICIANS, WHICH I WOULD, COULD, I WOULD CONSIDER ENTERTAINMENT. 
          ON THE OTHER HAND, IN TERMS OF IMPROVEMENTS AND SUCH, AND I KNOW WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO STAY AWAY FROM DEVELOPMENTS, BUT, BUT, YOU KNOW, I, I, I, UH, I, I DOUBT THAT, THAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS COULD RUN FOR A LONG TIME WITHOUT UTILITIES ON THE GROUND. 
          DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AND, AND, UH, UH, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING. 
          AND, AND WHEN PUSHED INTO A CORNER, I FEEL LIKE, NO, NEVERMIND. 
          NOT NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER MARLE. 
          YEAH, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. 
          UM, WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE RIGHT NOW AND WONDERING WHEN OUR FLOOD MAPPING WILL BE COMPLETED. 
          UM, SO IT IS, I, GO AHEAD. 
          THE MAPPING IS COMPLETE. 
          UH, WE DO HAVE A INTRODUCTION, UH, TO THE DATA, UH, WITH OUR GENERAL PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE, UM, AT THE END OF THIS, UH, MONTH, AND IT'LL BE THE FIRST TIME WE'RE MEETING IN PERSON. 
          AND SO, UM, YOU'LL SEE THAT DATA SHORTLY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, IF I COULD PROVIDE A NUANCED CLARIFICATION TO THAT, BRIAN. 
          SOME OF THE MAPPING IS COMPLETE. 
          WE ARE STILL WORKING ON, ON SOME MAPPING. 
          UM, BUT WE'LL, WE WILL BE ROLLING OUT, UM, SOME MAPPING, UH, THAT LATER THIS MONTH TO BE SURE. 
          UM, OUR, UM, SOME OF OUR, UH, FINAL FLOODPLAIN MAPPING IS STILL BEING, UM, IS STILL BEING FINESSED, BUT, UM, BUT YEAH, WE ARE, WE DO HAVE, UH, UH, A LARGE BODY OF WORK NOW, UH, PREPARED TO PRESENT TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND MAYBE IT'S TOO SOON TO SAY ANYTHING BECAUSE IT'S NOT FINAL. 
          IT, DOES IT SEEM TO SUPPORT THE EXISTING FLOOD MAP? YES. 
          I MEAN, THIS IS JUST ADJACENT TO OUR RIVER, YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, IS THERE WATER ON THE SITE? IS THERE EXISTING WATER INFRASTRUCTURE, SPIGOTS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THERE EXISTING ELECTRIC METER, ANYTHING LIKE THAT ON THE SITE? NO. 
          AND IT'S NOT NEEDED. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND THEN QUESTION FOR, UM, UH, SO IF, IF THE ELECTRIC'S NOT NEEDED, UM, 
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WHAT'S THE POWER SOURCE? SOLAR ON A, ON A TRAILER, ALL MOVABLE. 
          ALL MOBILE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND THEN, UH, BRIAN, YOU MENTIONED MISSTATEMENTS THAT WERE MADE. 
          CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THOSE? THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, THERE'S ONE ZONING DESIGNATION FOR THIS PARCEL. 
          IT IS FLOODWAY. 
          UH, WE DO NOT HAVE DUAL ZONING DISTRICTS, SO THIS IS NOT ZONED COMMERCIALLY. 
          UM, THERE WERE, UH, EXAMPLES PROVIDED, UH, TO LOOK AT THE CIRCUS, WHICH WAS RECENTLY IN TOWN. 
          UH, CIRCUS, UH, VARGAS IS NOT, UM, IT'S HOSTED ON THE FAIRGROUNDS, WHICH IS NOT IN THE FLOODWAY. 
          UM, THERE'S A WHOLE HOST OF, UH, LAYERS TO THAT. 
          UM, AND I WOULD ARGUE IT IS ALREADY ON AN EXISTING DEVELOPED PROPERTY WITH, UH, SURFACE LOTS. 
          AND SO AGAIN, UH, NOT A ONE FOR ONE. 
          UM, THERE WAS A, A NUMBER OF STATEMENTS IN THERE. 
          UM, THREE HOMES IN THE FLOODWAY. 
          UH, ABSOLUTELY FALSE. 
          WE'VE NEVER DEVELOPED, UM, UH, WITHIN THE FLOODWAY. 
          UM, IN RECENT MEMORY, THE ONLY ONE THAT WE HAVE DONE IS THE OUTLETS IN THE EIGHTIES. 
          AND THAT THERE WAS A WHOLE HOST OF MITIGATIONS THAT CAME WITH THAT PROJECT. 
          UH, THERE WAS, UM, A COMMENT ABOUT, UM, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR USING THIS, UM, LANGUAGE, BUT JUST QUOTING POOR PEOPLE IN MOBILE HOMES. 
          UM, NOT REALLY SURE WHERE THAT CAME FROM, BUT, UM, THIS, UH, THE REFERENCE IS TO THE FLOOD INSURANCE AND THE DISCUSSION THAT STAFF HAS RAISED WITH THE IMPACT ON OUR C R S RATING. 
          UH, 20%, UH, REDUCTION ON FLOOD INSURANCE FOR A NUMBER OF PROPERTY OWNERS, THE CITY INCLUDED. 
          UM, AND SO IT'S NOT FOCUSED ON ANY INDIVIDUAL, UM, PERSON. 
          OH, AND I'LL JUST ADD ONE OTHER ONE. 
          THIS ZONING CODE'S NOT 50 YEARS OLD, IT'S THE IMPLEMENTING ZONING ORDINANCE THAT WENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN, WHICH I BELIEVE THE PREVIOUS ONE WAS IN 2008. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK THAT COVERS THE COUNCIL, UH, QUESTIONS AND, UH, ALMOST COVERS THE COUNCIL QUESTIONS. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          NOW I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION ON PAGE THREE OF THE 120 PAGES THAT'S IN OUR, UM, AGENDA PACKET. 
          IT SAYS, DEVELOPMENT IS THE FLOOD WAVE AND FLOODPLAIN REGULATIONS DEFINED DEVELOPMENT AS ANY MANMADE CHANGE TO IMPROVE OR UNIMPROVED REAL ESTATE, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO BUILDINGS, OTHER STRUCTURES, MINING, DREDGING, FILLING, GRADING, EV, UM, EXCAVATION, DRILLING OPERATIONS, PERMANENT STORAGE OF EQUIPMENT MATERIALS. 
          AND IT GOES ON, I BELIEVE THIS IS JUST FOOD TRUCKS WHICH ARE DRIVEN ON AND DRIVEN OUT, AND THE BALLARDS FOR PARKING ARE ALL TEMPORARY. 
          THERE'S NO PERMANENT STRUCTURES AND, UM, THERE'S NOTHING BEING CHANGED. 
          NO ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT IS HAPPENING. 
          AM I CORRECT? I THINK THAT, UH, I WOULD DISAGREE WITH, UM, NO, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT'S CORRECT. 
          UM, THE PROJECT IS A COMMUNITY MARKETPLACE AT ESSENTIALLY YEAR ROUND AROUND THE CLOCK, UM, BASED ON BUSINESS DEMAND. 
          AND SO THE PERMIT ITSELF IS REQUESTING A, A FULL USE OF THE SITE. 
          UM, THE VERY DEFINITION THAT YOU'RE, UM, THAT YOU CITED IS A, IN OUR IMPLEMENTING ZONING CODE, UH, BUT ALSO ESSENTIALLY A COPY AND PASTE, UM, FROM THE FEMA REGULATION. 
          SO OUR CHAPTER SIX, WHICH THE FLOODWAY, UM, UH, DESIGNATION AND INFORMATION LIVES IN, UM, IN ORDER FOR US TO ACHIEVE THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, TO BE A C R S COMMUNITY, UM, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE ESSENTIALLY COPY AND PASTE FROM THE FEMA DESIGNATIONS. 
          UM, AND SO AGAIN, IF THERE IS A DISAGREEMENT FROM THE COUNCIL THAT, UM, OUR INTERPRETATION OF DEVELOPMENT, UM, WOULD NOT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT IS NOT RELEVANT OR IS INACCURATE, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S UP FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO DECIDE BECAUSE DEVELOPMENT IS BRICK AND MORTAR, AND THIS IS ALL FOOD TRUCKS, THINGS THAT ARE BEING WHEELED IN AND WHEELED OUT. 
          THERE'S NOTHING PUTTING INTO THE GROUND, THERE'S 
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NO ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT TAKING PLACE. 
          AM I, IF, IF, IF I COULD, WE'RE ON THE QUESTION PART AND I THINK YOU'RE ARGUING, UM, WELL, I'M JUST ASKING IF THERE'S, IF THAT'S, IS THAT CONS IS A FOOD TRUCK DEVELOPMENT, SO WHAT YOU'VE, IT'S NOT ABOUT FOOD TRUCKS. 
          UM, THE, WHAT YOU'VE JUST READ ANY MANMADE CHANGE TO IMPROVED UNIMPROVED REAL ESTATE, UM, BUT NOT LIMITED TO BUILDINGS OR STRUCTURES. 
          SO YES, I WILL CONCEDE THAT THAT SECTION, UH, TALKS ABOUT, UH, BRICK AND MORTAR OR SOME SORT OF STRUCTURE, BUT THEN IT CONTINUES MINING, DREDGING, FILLING, GRADING, EXCAVATION, UM, PERMANENT STORAGE OF EQUIPMENT AND MATERIALS. 
          AGAIN, THESE ARE MUCH MORE SIMILAR TO HOW THIS PROJECT IS BEING PROPOSED. 
          UM, IF, TO ME THE PROJECT IS MORE LIKE THIS, MORE LIKE A PERMANENT, UM, ROUND THE CLOCK, YEAR ROUND USE, UM, COMPARED TO SOMETHING THAT'S TEMPORARY, WHICH AGAIN, OUR, OUR CODE CONCEDES, YES, THERE COULD BE SOMETHING TEMPORARY TO EXIST THERE, UM, THROUGH A ZONING PERMIT, UH, UP TO 60 CONSECUTIVE DAYS. 
          UM, AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, WE HAVE FIRE AND BUILDING CODES RELATED TO ANY STRUCTURES, UM, THAT IF THEY ARE THERE FOR MORE THAN 180 DAYS, THAT IS CONSIDERED PERMANENT. 
          AND SO THAT'S, AGAIN, THAT'S THE NUMBER OF, OKAY. 
          SO YOU'RE ANSWERING MY QUESTION. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, AND I'LL JUST ADD, IT WOULD BE FRONTAGE IMPROVEMENTS, RESTROOMS, FACILITIES, UTILITIES, FIRE ACCESS, A D A FACILITIES, THOSE WOULD ALL BE IMPLICATED IF THIS WAS A PERMANENT USE BECAUSE YOU COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE, THEY'RE NOT LEAVING AT NIGHT, THEY'RE STAYING THERE. 
          GOTCHA. 
          YEAH. 
          ONE COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS NOW THAT COME INTO MY MIND. 
          UM, HOW MUCH TIME WOULD BE NEEDED TO VACATE THE PREMISES OF EVERYTHING? WE COULD BE GONE WITHIN HOURS, EVERYTHING'S ON WHEELS. 
          SO IS THERE ANY STORAGE ON THE SITE THAT YOU'RE PLANNING ANYTHING FOR BUSINESSES, IT WOULD JUST, IT WOULD BE TRAILERS, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH, UM, BATTERIES AND, YOU KNOW, SOLAR PANELS AND THAT SORT OF THING. 
          UM, BUT IT ALL CAN BE DRIVEN AWAY QUICKLY. 
          WHEN THE LAST FLOOD WAS ANNOUNCED, YOU KNOW, I HAD A TRUCK AND A TRAILER OUT THERE, AND I MOVED IT DAYS IN ADVANCE. 
          YOU KNOW, IT, I, WE HAD PLENTY OF NOTICE AND, AND MOST PEOPLE WOULD BE LEAVING EVERY DAY ANYWAY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY, THEY WOULDN'T BE, UM, I WOULD BE THERE EVERY DAY, BUT OUR CUSTOMERS, OTHER VENDORS WOULD COME AND GO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE COME ONCE A WEEK OR WHATEVER. 
          SO WOULD THE, THE PEOPLE WOULDN'T BE PARKED OUT THERE ALL THE TIME, SO THERE WOULDN'T BE A WHOLE LOT OUT THERE TO MOVE. 
          WOULD THE FOOD TRUCKS AND THE VENDORS BE ABLE TO LEAVE THEIR, UM, THEIR VEHICLES THERE OVERNIGHT? I THINK MOST OF THEM WOULD BE REQUIRED TO GO BACK TO THEIR COMMISSARY. 
          IT'S A HEALTH DEPARTMENT THING, SO MOST OF THEM WOULD GO SOMEWHERE ANYWAY. 
          UM, BUT NOT ALL OF THEM. 
          IT, IT DEPENDS ON WHATEVER AGREEMENT THEY HAVE. 
          UM, SOME OF THEM HAVE COMMISSARIES WHERE THEY HAVE TO GO PARK. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, BUT IT WOULDN'T TAKE LONG TO VACATE THE LOT BECAUSE EVERYTHING'S MOBILE AND NOTHING HAS TO BE, WE MIGHT HAVE TO PICK UP THE MATS THAT I MENTIONED FOR LIKE THE WHEELCHAIR ACCESS, THROW IT IN A TRAILER AND DRIVE AWAY WITH IT. 
          SO IT WOULDN'T BE A WHOLE LOT TO PICK UP. 
          THE WHOLE POINT IS, UM, WE'RE NOT EXPECTING A FLASH FLOOD. 
          WE'RE EXPECTING SOME NOTICE, BUT EVERYTHING WOULD BE EASY TO GET IN THE BACK OF A TRAILER AND, AND DRIVE AWAY WITH. 
          SO EVERY LOT WOULD BE VACANT. 
          THERE WOULD BE NOTHING THERE WHEN A FLOOD HITS. 
          SO THERE'S NO IMPACT ON FUTURE FLOODING. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          AND THEN LET'S OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. 
          AND, UM, I HAVE THREE CARDS IN MY HANDS HERE. 
          AND, UH, CAN WE ASK IF THERE WERE SUBMITTALS EARLY? YES. 
          MAYOR, THERE IS EIGHT PUBLIC COMMENTS RECEIVED AND POSTED ON THE WEBSITE. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          THANKS SO MUCH. 
          AND LET'S OPEN TO THE ZOOM AUDIENCE AND READ OUR MESSAGING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. MAYOR. 
          MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ATTENDING IN PERSON SHOULD BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE. 
          SO. 
          MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ATTENDING ONLINE, WHICH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, SHOULD RAISE THEIR VIRTUAL HAND, OR PRESS STAR NINE IF PARTICIPATING BY PHONE. 
          MR. MAYOR, AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE, UH, TWO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WITH THEIR HAND RAISED. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          THEN WE'LL START WITH OUR IN-HOUSE, UH, CARDS AND COME BACK TO ZOOM. 
          UH, THE FIRST IS ROBERT GALSTON, AND THE SECOND IS KAREN EL ELDRIDGE. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS ROBERT GOAD. 
          I'M A FORMER RESTAURANT OWNER HERE IN PETALUMA, AND I'M HERE TO WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT HEATHER'S 
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PROJECT. 
          UM, I'VE KNOWN HER FOR MANY YEARS AND KNOW HOW HARD A WORKER SHE IS AND HOW CREATIVE SHE IS. 
          AND TO BE HONEST, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY WE'RE HERE. 
          UM, IT'S A VERY SMALL LOT, AND SOME PEOPLE THINK THAT, THAT IT'S GONNA CAUSE HAVOC, WREAK HAVOC AND PETALUMA, UM, BECAUSE THERE'S SOME FOOD TRUCKS ON A LOT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, HER PLAN WAS TO HAVE, HAVE FOOD TRUCKS AND MAYBE SOME MUSICIANS AND FEW THINGS, BUT IT WASN'T GONNA BE PACKED. 
          UM, WE, YOU, YOU MENTIONED, UH, MR I MENTIONED AROUND THE CLOCK. 
          THAT'S FALSE. 
          AS WE ALL KNOW, IT'S NOT AROUND THE CLOCK. 
          SHE SAID SIX TO MIDNIGHT. 
          THAT'S NOT AROUND THE CLOCK, BUT IF IT'S, IF IT'S SIX O'CLOCK, IT'S GONNA BE MAYBE, MAYBE A COFFEE CART, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOME PASTRIES. 
          IT'S NOT GONNA BE A CARNIVAL. 
          IT'S NOT GONNA BE A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON. 
          UM, IF IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY WON'T GO UNTIL EIGHT OR NINE. 
          WE KNOW MY, MY RESTAURANT CLOSED AT EIGHT O'CLOCK. 
          UH, EVERYTHING'S CLOSED AT EIGHT O'CLOCK, SO IT MAY NOT GO UNTIL EIGHT O'CLOCK. 
          BUT THE IDEA WAS WE HAD A RESTAURANT TOGETHER IN BERKELEY, AND WE SET IT UP TO CLOSE AT 2:00 AM WHICH WE NEVER DID, EXCEPT UNDER, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES. 
          BUT WE DIDN'T WANNA GO BACK BEFORE THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR WHATEVER WE HAD TO DO TO GET A PERMIT TO DO THAT. 
          SO WE WERE ALREADY SET UP FOR THAT, BUT WE NEVER REALLY DID IT. 
          IT'S NOT GONNA BE A LATE NIGHT THING BECAUSE PETALUMA'S NOT A LATE NIGHT TOWN. 
          SO WE CAN, WE CAN KNOCK IT DOWN HERE. 
          IT'S NOT A DANGER TO PETALUMA. 
          IT'S THE UGLIEST LOT AROUND. 
          WE ALL KNOW THAT WE DRIVE BY THE THING AND WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT IT BEING A FLOODWAY. 
          WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME IT FLOODED? IT FLOODED IN JANUARY, BUT WHEN PRIOR TO THAT WAS THREE, FOUR YEARS AGO. 
          BEFORE THAT, IT DOESN'T FLOOD VERY OFTEN. 
          AND WE ALL KNOW WHEN THE FLOOD'S GONNA COME. 
          WE KNEW FOR THAT LOT WHEN IT WAS GONNA COME. 
          WE LOOKED AT THE RIVER AND WE KNEW A WEEK IN ADVANCE IT WAS GONNA FLOOD. 
          IT, IT WILL TAKE HOURS TO MOVE EVERYTHING OUT OF THERE, PICK UP ANY, ANY DEBRIS. 
          AND SPEAKING OF DEBRIS, HEATHER SPENT THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS CLEANING UP HYPODERMIC NEEDLES, GARBAGE STUFF THAT YOU WOULDN'T POSSIBLY BELIEVE COULD BE ON A LOT THAT WOULD'VE IN JANUARY FLOODED INTO THE INTERSECTION. 
          AND NOBODY, NO THANKS FOR IT. 
          SHE DIDN'T NEED ANY THANKS FOR IT, BUT IT, IT'S, BUT IT SHOWS THAT SHE'S A STEWARD OF THE ENVIRONMENT AND SHE WANTS TO TAKE CARE OF IT. 
          SOME PEOPLE ACT AS IF THIS IS A HORRIBLE THING, IF SHE HAS FOOD, FOOD TRUCKS ON THERE. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW WHY. 
          IT'S, IT'S A VERY SMALL THING. 
          WE DRIVE BY PLACES THAT HAVE FOOD TRUCKS. 
          WE STOP SOMETIMES PETALUMA'S A FOOD TOWN. 
          AND THERE ARE NO FOOD TRUCKS IN PETALUMA OTHER THAN, UM, ROY'S ON, ON WASHINGTON, UH, WHICH HAS THREE LOCATIONS. 
          AND FROM OTHER, UH, EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, YOU, YOU, IN THE FARMER'S MARKET, YOU HAVE SOME FOOD TRUCKS, BUT THERE REALLY ARE NO FOOD TRUCKS AROUND HERE. 
          SHE WAS BOUGHT THE LOT. 
          AGAIN, YOU'RE SAYING IT'S NOT DESIGNATED C ONE. 
          IT IS ON THE MAP. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS WHILE YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED. 
          THANK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, KAREN ELDRIDGE TO BE FOLLOWED BY WAYNE TRO. 
          MY GOODNESS. 
          THIS GOES ON AND ON. 
          , UM, THE NORTHERN PART OF PETAL AND BOULEVARD, NEAR WHERE CATTLEMAN'S RESTAURANT HAS GONE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AM I GOOD NOW? OKAY. 
          THE, THE NORTHERN PART OF PETALUMA BOULEVARD, NEAR WHERE CATTLEMAN'S RESTAURANT HAS GONE TO PASTURE, THAT PART OF PETALUMA BOULEVARD NEEDS MORE LIFE, MORE JOY, MORE VITALITY. 
          THE VACANT LOT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HAS BEEN AN EYESORE IN PETALUMA FOR YEARS. 
          CHICK-FIL-A IS ON ITS WAY. 
          I SUGGEST FOOD TRUCKS AS WELL AS, AND I WOULD THROW IN A CANNABIS DISPENSARY. 
          I THINK PETMAN NEEDS ONE OF THOSE. 
          SANTA ROSA HAS AN AREA WHERE A RESPONSIBLE FOOD TRUCK GROUP THRIVES AND IS ENJOYED BY THE COMMUNITY. 
          FOOD TRUCKS ARE MOBILE FOOD TRUCKS HAVE WHEELS AND CAN MOVE IN THE EVENT OF A FLOOD. 
          WHAT WILL CHICK-FIL-A DO WHEN THERE'S A FLOOD? I ASK YOU TO BE BOLD, BE VISIONARY, BE CREATIVE. 
          BE OPEN-MINDED 
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AND KEEP UP WITH THE TIMES. 
          FOOD TRUCKS ARE HERE TO STAY. 
          THANK YOU, WAYNE TRO. 
          UM, THANK YOU FOR STAYING LATE, UH, . 
          I APPRECIATE ALL YOU DO. 
          UM, I'VE BEEN IN, UH, PETALUMA FOR 25 YEARS, AND I'VE SEEN IT FLOOD HERE, AND I KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          UM, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROPERTY THAT'S IN QUESTION, IT IS IN A FLOODWAY, BUT IT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED. 
          THEY, THEY'VE IMPORTED GRAVEL AND THEY'VE ACTUALLY, IT'S BEEN DEVELOPED OVER THE YEARS. 
          SO IT'S THE IMPORT AND EXPORT OF MATERIALS COME INTO A SITE THAT IS DEVELOPMENT. 
          IT'S CHANGING THE, THE, UH, FLOODPLAIN ITSELF. 
          SO IF YOU CONSIDER FOR ONE, YOU GOTTA CONSIDER FOR ALL. 
          SO IF WE OPEN IT UP FOR THE FLOOD PLAN FOR DEVELOPMENT, ARE WE GONNA DO IT ALSO FOR, UH, OPEN SPACE AREA? SO IF YOU DO FOR ONE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO FOR OTHERS. 
          SO I THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, BUT AT LEAST THINK BEFORE WE OVERBUILD SO WE DON'T, UM, MAKE PROBLEMS WORSE DOWN THE LINE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND LET'S GO TO OUR ZOOM AUDIENCE AND INVITE THE PARTICIPANTS IN. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          FIRST SPEAKER THAT WE HAVE IS DWAYNE. 
          DWAYNE, I'LL NOW ALLOW YOU TO SPEAK. 
          YOU CAN UNMUTE YOURSELF AND BEGIN. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          UM, UH, COUNSEL, THANK YOU FOR, UM, YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS, UH, TO ALL YOUR GOOD WORK. 
          UM, BUT WHAT I FIND INTERESTING THIS, THAT THIS IS, THEY, THEY NAMED IT THE, THE FLOODWAY. 
          AND I APPRECIATE THE HONESTY THERE. 
          I APPRECIATE ANYTIME I CAN FIND HONESTY AND THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM. 
          UM, THE LEISURE LAKE IS POSSIBLY TOO HONEST, WOULD BE IF MY OBJECTION TO THEIR NAME, UH, FOR THE FACILITY, UH, CLEARLY, CLEARLY, UM, PROPERTY GOING UNDERWATER IS, IS, IS A PROBLEM. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, WE'D LIKE TO POINT OUT, FIRST OF ALL, THAT FLOODS COME BY SURPRISE. 
          THEY DON'T, THAT AREN'T PLANNED. 
          THAT THE, THE AUTO DEALERSHIPS, A COUPLE OF THEM HAVE BEEN CAUGHT JUST, UH, JUST DOWNRIVER FROM THIS PROPERTY, UH, DURING FLOODS AND HAVE LOST, UH, DOZENS OF BRAND NEW CARS. 
          AND SO I, WHAT I WOULD ASK WOULD BE, UM, IS THERE INSURANCE METHOD THAT, UH, THE CITY COULD INSURE ITSELF AGAINST PROPERTY BEING ACCIDENTALLY LEFT THERE OF THE DAY OF A FLOOD? UH, UH, YOU GET A NOTICE AT TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING TO GO GET YOUR, UH, CIRCUS OFF A PIECE OF PROPERTY. 
          UM, AND, UH, THE CITY FINDS, UM, ELEPHANTS OR LIONS FLOATING DOWNSTREAM, I KIND OF JOKE. 
          UM, WHO PAYS IF THE PORTA-POTTY ENDS UP FLOATING DOWNSTREAM AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE PORTA-POTTIES, AND WHO'S GONNA GO AND REMOVE A PORTA POTTY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT IF IT STARTS FLOODING? SO MY, MY QUESTION IS, HOW DOES THE CITY PROTECT ITSELF FROM WHAT HAPPENS DURING THE FLOOD? AND, UH, THAT WAS BASICALLY THE DISCUSSION. 
          I HAVEN'T HEARD. 
          HOW DOES THEY, THEY REQUIRE INSURANCE ON THE, THE PART OF THE OWNER TO COVER ANY DAMAGE THAT SOMETHING FLOATING DOWNSTREAM COULD BE IF IT'S NOT PICKED UP. 
          UM, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THAT THESE PEOPLE WOULD PLAN ON LEAVING ANYTHING THERE, BUT, UM, WHAT IS THE LAST DAY OF THE YEAR OR THE FIRST DAY OF THE NEXT YEAR THAT WE HAVE FLOODS IN, IN PETALUMA, AND HOW WOULD WE KNOW, UH, TO ELIMINATE THE, UM, THOSE DATES IF THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE PORTABLE THINGS TO KNOW, UH, WHAT DATES TO, UM, THAT THEY WOULD BE, UH, HAVING, UH, THE CIRCUS OR, OR, OR ANY OTHER, UM, EVENT. 
          ANYWAY, THAT'S, THAT'S ENOUGH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THE NEXT FIGURE THAT WE HAVE IS SUSAN KIRKS. 
          SUSAN, I'LL NOW ALLOW YOU TO SPEAK. 
          YOU COME MUTE YOURSELF AND BEGIN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'D JUST LIKE TO NOTE THAT IT'S JUST PAST MIDNIGHT, AND I REALLY WISH THIS IS AN ITEM THAT COULD BE HEARD EARLIER IN THE EVENING, BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT FACETS TO YOUR ROLE AS ELECTED LEADERS WHO ARE TO MAKE DECISIONS WHILE THE CITY ATTORNEY CONTINUES TO GUIDE YOU BACK TO WHAT'S BEFORE YOU, WHAT'S BEFORE YOU, WHAT'S BEFORE YOU ALL. 
          THAT'S 
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BEFORE YOU IS THIS, WELL, YES, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU, I DO BELIEVE EACH OF YOU UNDERSTANDS WHAT YOUR ROLE IS, AND I WOULD LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT. 
          I'M, I REALLY APPRECIATED HEARING THE QUESTIONS YOU'VE ASKED, THE DISCUSSION THAT'S OCCURRING, THE THOUGHTFULNESS BEHIND WHAT MANY OF YOU ARE SEEKING TO CONSIDER. 
          UH, WE'RE, WE'RE A CITY OF OVER 61,000 PEOPLE, AND THIS IS A, A PROPERTY OWNER WHO WANTS TO ROLL SOME FOOD TRUCKS WITH SOLAR PANELS AND USE HER PROPERTY IN THAT WAY, IN A LOCATION THAT, QUITE FRANKLY IS GREAT FOR FOOD TRUCKS. 
          UM, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, AND TRUST ME, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS AREA OF THE CITY SEVERAL YEARS AGO WHEN THERE WAS FLOODING AND THAT AREA FLOODED, A MEMBER OF ZONE TWO A AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS EXTENSIVELY ABOUT THE ACTUAL, UM, YOU KNOW, THE WATER MOVEMENT FOR THAT FLOOD THAT ENDED UP FLOODING UP THERE NEAR STONY POINT CAME FROM MARIN CREEK AND THE WATER FROM WEST HAVEN, A DEVELOPMENT THAT SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN APPROVED HERE IN PETALUMA, UH, MOVING WATER NORTHWARD AND OVERWHELMING THE CREEK BANKS. 
          AND IT ACTUALLY WASN'T FROM THE PETALUMA RIVER. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD, AND ALSO I JUST WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE, I UNDERSTAND THE POINT OF VIEW OF, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST SAYING NO, BECAUSE OF THE FEAR THAT IF YOU DO THIS FOR THIS PERSON, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO IT FOR EVERYBODY. 
          NO. 
          THAT'S WHAT LEADERSHIP IS ABOUT. 
          THAT'S WHAT ANALYTICAL, COMPREHENSIVE WHOLE THINKING AND GIVING YOUR STAFF DIRECTION FROM YOU AS AN ELECTED BODY IS ABOUT. 
          IT ISN'T ABOUT ONE. 
          YOU KNOW, IF YOU DO IT FOR THIS PERSON, YOU'RE GONNA DO IT FOR EVERYONE. 
          LOOK AT ALL THE TERRIBLE DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED HERE, THE LAND THAT HAS BEEN TAKEN, YOU KNOW, AS LEADERS, IT'S UP TO YOU TO COME UP WITH A, UH, A DECISION. 
          AND I SUPPORT YOU IN THAT PROCESS. 
          I'M NOT SURE I'LL AGREE WITH YOU IN WHAT YOUR DECISION WILL BE, BUT AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THIS IS A PROPERTY OWNER WHO IS TRYING TO PUT PORTABLE FOOD TRUCKS WITH SOLAR PANELS FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME TO SERVE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. 
          UH, AND HONESTLY, I, I DO HOPE THERE'S A WAY TO SUPPORT THAT AND, AND FIND A WAY TO DO IT AND BE STRONG IN LEADERSHIP AND DIRECTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND MR. MAYOR, THAT'S OUR LAST PUBLIC COMMENTER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, WE'RE CLOSING PUBLIC COMMENT NOW, AND, UH, NOW WE TURN TO THE APPLICANT'S, UH, REBUTTAL PERIOD, AND WE'LL BE SETTING A TIMER FOR YOU AND, UM, INVITING YOU TO SPEAK. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REITERATE THAT THIS IS NOT A DEVELOPMENT, SO THERE WILL BE NO FILL. 
          UM, WE'RE NOT GONNA, WE DON'T NEED A PG E METER. 
          WE DON'T NEED, UM, LIGHT POLES. 
          EVERYTHING'S ATTACHED TO TRAILERS, EVERYTHING'S MOVABLE. 
          UM, I THINK BRIAN, UM, HE MENTIONED SOMETHING ELSE. 
          HE'S TRYING TO CALL IT DEVELOPMENT. 
          OH, UM, INCREASED USAGE. 
          UM, THAT LOT HAS BEEN USED IN THE PAST, UM, TO, UM, ABANDONED VEHICLES TO PARK VEHICLES. 
          THERE'VE BEEN LARGE TRUCKS THERE. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S THIS, THIS USE IS NOT MORE INTENSE THAN WHAT IT WAS USED NOW THAT WAS ALL ILLEGAL USE. 
          BUT TH THAT THIS USE IS MANAGED BY A SMART BUSINESS OWNER WHO'S GONNA TAKE CARE OF THAT LAND. 
          AND IF THAT LAND IS JUST SITS THERE UNUSED, IT'S GONNA TURN BACK INTO A DUMPING GROUND OR A HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT, AND IT WAS NASTY AND ALL THAT STUFF GOES IN THE RIVER. 
          SO I WILL, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ADVANTAGE OF ME BEING THERE IS THAT I'M ACTUALLY TAKING CARE OF IT. 
          UM, SO THAT, THAT I THINK THE CITY SHOULD BE HAPPY THAT SOMEBODY IS AT THE GATEWAY TO NORTHERN TO, TO DOWNTOWN, UM, PETALUMA, UM, MAKING IT BEAUTIFUL BECAUSE WHAT A, WHAT A GREAT WAY TO BE WELCOME TO PETALUMA IS OF FOODIE, FOODIE, UM, ENVIRONMENT. 
          AND, AND HERE'S YOUR FOOD TRUCKS AT THE GATEWAY AND YOUR ARTISANS AND A MUSICIAN. 
          AND WHAT A BEAUTIFUL THING TO HAVE OTHER THAN THIS BLIGHT THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR OVER A DECADE, UM, THAT THAT LOT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED IN THE PAST. 
          IT HAS FOUR EXISTING DRIVEWAYS. 
          THERE'S NOTHING MORE THAT WE NEED TO DO TO IT. 
          THE SIDEWALKS ARE THERE, THERE'S CUTOUTS FOR WHEELCHAIRS TO GET ACROSS THE STREET AND WHATEVER. 
          EVERYTHING'S THERE. 
          THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE NEED TO DO FOR DEVELOPMENT WISE. 
          SO ANY, ANY, ANY MENTION OF THE WORD DEVELOP IS JUST TO, JUST TO, UM, DERAIL THE CONVERSATION BECAUSE IT JUST SHUTS IT DOWN. 
          'CAUSE THERE IS NO DEVELOPMENT. 
          IT'S A, THERE'S NOWHERE YOU CAN GO FROM THAT. 
          SO THERE IS NOTHING THAT WE NEED TO DO TO DEVELOP. 
          UM, OH, UH, WE, WE DID OFFER TO SHUT DOWN DURING THE WINTER MONTHS IF THE, IF THE CITY IS CONCERNED THAT WE'RE NOT SMART ENOUGH OR NOT QUICK ENOUGH OR WHATEVER TO GET OUTTA THE WAY OF A FLOOD. 
          WE, WE HAVE OFFERED TO SHUT DOWN DURING THE RAINIEST MONTHS. 
          YOU KNOW, IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE GREAT A GREAT TIME FOR BUSINESS 
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ANYWAY. 
          SO THE LOT WILL JUST BE VACANT AND, UH, BUT THAT WE WERE TOLD THAT WASN'T GOOD ENOUGH. 
          SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, LIKE THERE HAVE NEVER BEEN ANY ALTERNATIVES SUGGESTED TO US AS BRIAN SUGGESTED THAT, LIKE I SAID, TONIGHT IS THE FIRST TIME I EVER HEARD THAT 180 DAYS WAS AN OPTION. 
          I APPLIED FOR THE 60 DAY AND NEVER GOT ANYTHING FOR THAT. 
          THE PERIOD THAT WE WERE GONNA USE EXPIRES, ACTUALLY, I THINK TOMORROW, YOU KNOW, THAT WHOLE PERIOD THAT I APPLIED FOR IS JUST GONE. 
          SO WE DON'T, PROBABLY WON'T BE ABLE TO USE OUR LOT AT ALL THIS YEAR. 
          UM, WHICH IS VERY DISAPPOINTING. 
          YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE TRIED EVERYTHING I CAN TO PUT THIS LOT TO USE AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT MORE TO DO. 
          I MEAN, I AM WILLING TO WORK WITH THE CITY IF YOU WANT US TO SHUT DOWN DURING THE WINTER MONTHS, IF, JUST ENSURE THAT THERE ARE NO FLOATING TOILETS, YOU KNOW, WHICH IT WOULD BE ON A TRAILER, BY THE WAY. 
          UM, ANY TOILETS, BUT WE CAN CLOSE DOWN AND JUST BE THERE WHEN IT IS THE SUMMERTIME, LIKE I THINK YOU WERE SUGGESTING EARLIER, UM, THERE, THERE'S A WAY TO MAKE THIS WORK AND, UM, I'M, I'M, IT'S JUST A WIN-WIN FOR THE CITY. 
          IF THE CITY WILL JUST GIVE ME THE CHANCE TO MAKE THIS WORK. 
          UM, AND B FOUR, SECTION B FOUR OF THE, OF THE ZONING CODE DOES NOT HA IT. 
          THERE'S NOTHING IN THERE THAT SAYS THAT IT HAS TO BE LIKE A CIRCUS. 
          A CIRCUS IS JUST ONE OF THE PERMITTED USES. 
          WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS, UM, IS A SIMILAR USE, AND THAT IS OPEN AIR OUTDOOR. 
          IT IS MOBILE. 
          UM, IT CAN BE MOVED ANY TIME. 
          IT'S THE SPIRIT OF THE LAW THAT IS BEING LOST HERE. 
          IT'S, IT IS CLEARLY A SIMILAR USE. 
          UM, AND I THINK THEY'RE TRYING TOO MUCH TO TRY TO PIGEONHOLE IT INTO, WELL, IT'S GOTTA BE LIKE A CIRCUS. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT THE CIRCUS THAT WAS JUST OUT HERE, THEY HAVE A MOBILE FOOD TRUCK RIGHT IN FRONT OF IT. 
          SO FOOD TRUCKS ARE PART OF CIRCUSES. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT A CIRCUS, BUT WE ARE SIMILAR. 
          AND THE, AND THE THE WHOLE POINT IS THEY DON'T WANT ANYTHING PERMANENT THERE. 
          GET OUT OF THE WAY WHEN IT'S FLOODING. 
          AND WE WILL, SO THAT WE HAVE NO NEGATIVE IMPACT. 
          AND IT'S THE EXACT OPPOSITE IS THAT WE'LL BE OUT THERE, WE'LL BE STEWARDS, WE'LL KEEP IT CLEAN. 
          NOBODY IN THE CITY COULD TELL ME FOR OVER A YEAR. 
          I TRIED, WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT SECTION OF THE RIVER? AND WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME IT WAS MAINTAINED. 
          NOBODY COULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR ME. 
          SO I FIGURED IT OUT ON MY OWN AND GOT THAT SECTION OF RIVER ON THE, THIS, THE COUNTY SUMMER CLEANUP SCHEDULE. 
          I DID THAT. 
          NOBODY, NOBODY HELPED ME DO THAT. 
          AND THAT'S WHO I AM. 
          I'M GONNA TAKE CARE OF THAT LOT. 
          I'M GONNA WATCH OUT FOR MY NEIGHBORS. 
          I'M GONNA MAKE SURE I'M GONNA DO EVERYTHING I CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT LOT IS PROPERLY MAINTAINED. 
          AND THE, THAT LOT AND THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE GATEWAY, THE NORTHERN GATEWAY TO DOWNTOWN PETALUMA IS AS BEAUTIFUL. 
          THE CITY SHOULD BE PROUD. 
          I I WILL MAKE YOU PROUD. 
          YOU WILL LOVE THAT LOT. 
          PLEASE, PLEASE APPROVE MY USE PERMIT, PLEASE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I THINK WE'RE BRINGING IT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR FINAL COMMENTS AND, UM, AT THE END OF ALL OF OUR, UH, DELIBERATIONS THEN, THEN THERE WILL BE A MOTION AND A VOTE. 
          BUT, UM, LET'S START WITH THE VICE MAYOR. 
          I'M JUST GONNA MAKE A, A FEW COMMENTS THAT, I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING, WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING FOOD TRUCKS, WE'RE TALKING MUSIC, WE'RE TALKING, UM, ARTISANS, WE'RE TALKING, THIS IS AN EVENT AREA AND THIS IS VERY CLOSE TO THE RIVER 'CAUSE IT'S IN A FLOODWAY. 
          NOBODY'S TALKING ABOUT THE HABITAT IN RIVERS. 
          WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, I'M SURPRISED TO HEAR FROM SUSAN, I MEAN, SHE'S WITH AUTO BOND SOCIETY. 
          I WOULD THINK THAT AUTO BOND WOULD BE OPPOSED TO SOMETHING SO CLOSE TO A RIVER. 
          SO IT'S JUST KIND OF SURPRISING TO HEAR THAT, UM, THIS AREA, I MEAN, IT IS A GATEWAY INTO OUR TOWN, BUT IT'S BEEN A FLOODED GATEWAY FOREVER. 
          I MEAN, IT JUST FLOODS THERE. 
          IT'S ALWAYS FLOODED THERE. 
          AND THEN THEY BUILT ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE, THE WEST SIDE OF THE RIVER, THEY PUT THIS WHOLE FILL IN AND ALL THESE TRUCKS ARE THERE. 
          I MEAN, ALL THIS STUFF IS GOING RIGHT INTO THE RIVER, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T NOT, UM, HAVE OIL COMING OUT OF VEHICLES. 
          AND THEN THIS IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE RIVER AND IT GOES RIGHT INTO THE RIVER. 
          IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST, WE NEED TO REALIZE WHEN, UM, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE FACTORY OUTLET. 
          WELL, YEAH, THE FACTORY OUTLET WAS APPROVED AND THE FACTORY OUTLET FLOODED OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. 
          AND I JUST THINK THIS IS, UM, I, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE ZONINGS IS APPROPRIATE OR THAT THE ZONING IS CORRECT FOR WHAT, UM, MS. KRATT WANTS TO DO. 
          YOU KNOW, WHEN I LOOK AT THE FAIRGROUNDS AND I SEE, UM, ONE FOOD TRUCK AND HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE THERE ALL DAY LONG, IT IS PACKED THERE. 
          AND SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MULTIPLE FOOD TRUCKS IN AN AREA. 
          WE DON'T KNOW ANY TRAFFIC COUNTS. 
          WE DON'T KNOW. 
          UM, THERE'S JUST A LOT OF INFORMATION. 
          WE DON'T KNOW. 
          WE DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF, UM, SOLAR SYSTEM THAT'S GONNA BE USED. 
          WE DON'T KNOW WHAT 
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KIND OF BATHROOMS ARE GONNA BE USED. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S JUST A LOT OF UNKNOWNS. 
          IT'S JUST LIKE, JUST APPROVE THIS. 
          HERE'S MY MAP AND I'M 40 FEET FROM THE RIVER. 
          AND THAT'S FINE. 
          WELL, IT'S NOT FINE. 
          I THINK, AT LEAST FOR ME, IT CERTAINLY IS NOT FINE. 
          I JUST THINK THIS IS OPENING THE DOOR FOR THE NEXT PROJECT, THE NEXT PROJECT AND THE NEXT PROJECT, AND THEN THERE'LL BE A PRECEDENT. 
          AND WHEN YOU MAKE THE PRECEDENT, SOMEBODY'S GONNA TAKE YOU TO COURT. 
          AND THAT'S NOT THE DIRECTION THAT I REALLY WANNA GO. 
          AND I BELIEVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION MADE THE RIGHT DECISION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I THINK I'LL, UM, WEIGH IN NEXT. 
          UM, I, I AM A FAN OF FOOD TRUCKS. 
          UH, I DO THINK, UH, CERTAIN AREAS COULD USE, UH, UH, MORE VITALITY IN THINGS. 
          UH, I DO LOVE ALL THE DISCUSSION WE'VE HAD TONIGHT. 
          UM, UH, I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE EXPLORED SOME AREAS THAT, UH, WOULD MAKE, UH, WONDERFUL PROJECTS. 
          UH, I CONCUR WITH, UH, MS. KIRKS WHO, UM, UM, APPRECIATED THE CONVERSATION, BUT I JUST WISHED IT HAD HAPPENED AT, UH, A PLANNING STAFF OR, OR COUNCIL OR A COMMISSION LEVEL, BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY IT'S NOT WHAT THE TOPIC IS TONIGHT. 
          UM, I CAN'T FIND THAT WE MEET THE TEST TO, UH, HAVE, UM, A FULL YEAR, UH, FULL, FULL HOUR FACILITY PERMITTED ON IN THIS, IN THIS ZONING. 
          I CONCUR WITH THE FINDINGS. 
          UM, THERE'S, UH, THERE'S LOTS, LOTS OF GOOD DISCUSSIONS. 
          I COULD SEE THAT THERE'S SOMETHING THERE, BUT I CAN'T SEE THAT THERE'S AN, A WAY TO GET THERE WITH THIS PROJECT AND WITH THIS ZONING. 
          AND SO, UM, I'M, UM, NOT IN SUPPORT OF, UH, CHANGING THE DECISIONS. 
          WHO ELSE? WHO NEXT? COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY. 
          SO, UM, BOILING THIS DOWN TO THE DECIDING ISSUE FOR ME, I DON'T THINK THIS IS, UM, A DEVELOPMENT WITHIN ANY REASONABLE INTERPRETATION OF OUR ZONING ORDINANCE OR WITHIN THE MEANING OF THE, UH, CODE OF FEDERAL CODE OF FEDERAL REGULATIONS SECTION, UM, CODED BY MS. BENEDETTI NIK. 
          UM, SO I THINK THIS WHOLE THING HAS REALLY GOTTEN OFF THE RAILS PROCESS-WISE. 
          UM, AND I'LL BE VOTING ACCORDINGLY. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO I REALLY LIKE FOOD TRUCKS AS WELL, UM, AND I WANT MORE OF THEM IN PETALUMA. 
          UM, AND MAYBE HERE, BUT REALLY THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT. 
          UM, FOR ME, THE, THE COMPARISON TO A CIRCUS IS THE WRONG COMPARISON. 
          UM, IT'S A, IT'S A USE THAT'S INHERENTLY THERE FOR A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. 
          UM, I'M, AND SO I'M NOT, I'M NOT VOTING WHETHER I LIKE FOOD TRUCKS OR WHETHER I WANT THEM HERE. 
          I CERTAINLY DON'T WANNA SEE THEM HERE FOR, FOR 365 DAYS A YEAR. 
          UM, I THINK THINGS LIKE, UH, IF I WAS GONNA, UM, SEE SOMETHING HERE, I'D WANT A LOT MORE DETAIL THAN I HAVE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE, UM, WHEN I HEAR TOILETS ON A TRAILER, THAT DOESN'T SCREAM A D A AND IT CERTAINLY, UM, AND YOU MAY BE ABLE TO GET THE TOILETS OUT OF THERE, BUT THE RAMPS TO GET THERE, IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE AN HOUR LONG JOB. 
          SO I GUESS I WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT MORE TO, UM, JUST SEEING A PROPOSAL COME FORWARD LIKE THIS THAN WHAT WE'VE GOT. 
          UM, AND, UM, UH, I DO WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR TAKING CARE OF THE LOT BECAUSE IT LOOKS A LOT BETTER AND I, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. 
          AND, UM, I HOPE THAT WE CAN FIND, UM, A COMPATIBLE USE FOR THIS. 
          I HOPE THAT, UM, AGAIN, IN THE GENERAL PLAN PROCESS, WE LOOK AT WHAT THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE USES, UM, AND THE APPROPRIATE, UM, LOCATIONS AND ZONES ARE FOR, FOR FOOD TRUCKS BECAUSE, UM, LIKE MY GUT TELLS ME THAT, UH, THAT THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH A MARKET HERE FOR, UM, A SMALL PERIOD OF TIME. 
          UM, BUT CERTAINLY NOT 365 DAYS A YEAR. 
          UM, AND I DEFINITELY AGREE THAT IT'S NOT A CONSISTENT USE WITH WHAT'S IN OUR ZONING CODE TODAY. 
          SO I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL. 
          ANYONE ELSE WANNA WEIGH IN? WE GO TO VOTE. 
          WANNA WEIGH IN? COUNCIL MEMBER SHRI. 
          OKAY, SO THERE IS SOME MERITS ON BOTH SIDES AND ALSO SOME, UM, DISAPPOINTMENTS A LITTLE BIT ON, ON BOTH SIDES. 
          AND THE, UH, STRICT DEFINITIONS, LEGAL DEFINITIONS OF, UM, DEVELOPMENT AND, UM, UH, POSSIBILITIES. 
          UH, SOME COMMUNICATIONS, OBVIOUSLY IT DID NOT HAPPEN APPROPRIATELY. 
          THERE'S TWO, TWO VERY DIFFERENT STORIES THAT WE'VE HEARD, UH, ABOUT WHAT WAS SAID WHEN WAS SAID. 
          AND, UM, 
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SO THERE'S A LOT OF DISAGREEMENT OVER TERMINOLOGY AND OPTIONS THAT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE. 
          SO THAT'S, UM, SO THAT'S A CONCERN OVER THIS PROCESS FOR, UH, THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT. 
          I WOULD NOT CONSIDER, UH, FOOD TRUCKS THEMSELVES BY ON WHEELS COMING IN, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS PROPOSAL IS. 
          I FIND THE PROPOSAL TO BE WEAK, VAGUE, CONCEPTUAL, NOT DETAILED ENOUGH, NOT DESCRIBING WHAT A VENDOR IS, WHO THE VENDORS ARE, HOW MANY VENDORS WOULD BE THE SIZE OF MARKETPLACE STRUCTURES ON THE MARKET BESIDES S TRUCKS. 
          WHAT MIGHT THEY BE? UH, THEIR ARTISANS EITHER GONNA BE INTENSE OR THERE'S A HUGE AMOUNT OF DETAILS. 
          ALL THE WEEDS THAT YOU NEED TO GET INTO FOR AN ACTUAL DESCRIPTION OF A PROJECT, THE TYPE OF BUSINESS THAT WOULD BE RUN, THE VOLUMES THAT WOULD BE THERE. 
          SO JUST LAND USE CONCEPTUALLY IN A FAIRLY POORLY LAID OUT DIAGRAM. 
          UM, I, I'M A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED IN THE QUALITY OF THE ACTUAL APPLICATION THAT, THAT WE SAW. 
          SO THAT'S A PROBLEM. 
          I SEE THE SETBACK, I DON'T SEE ANY LEGAL WAY WE'RE GONNA GET AROUND THAT A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK THAT'S ACTUALLY REQUIRED THAT IF YOU GET NEAR THAT RIVER AND RIGHT NOW TRYING TO GET THROUGH ANY, UH, ORGANIZATION, REGIONAL OR FEDERAL ORGANIZATION, ENVIRONMENTAL, THE CWA, WHATEVER, THERE'S NO WAY THIS PROJECT COULD PASS MUSTER AT ALL BECAUSE IT'S GOING RIGHT WITH IT. 
          IT HAS SOMETHING HAPPENING WITHIN A HUNDRED FOOT OF THAT RIVER. 
          THERE'S NO WAY THAT'S GONNA PASS MUSTARD TODAY. 
          IT DID IN THE PAST. 
          AND WE HAVE ALL THIS OTHER STUFF THAT'S GOING ON IN, BUT THAT WAS ALL HISTORY DONE IN THE PAST AND WE REALLY CAN'T REVERSE THAT, UH, AT THIS TIME. 
          UM, THAT'S DISAPPOINTING. 
          BUT, UH, YEAH, IT'S TOTALLY UNFAIR THAT RIGHT NEXT DOOR AND RIGHT ACROSS THE RIVER, THIS, ALL THIS UGLY STUFF HAPPENING THAT SHOULD BE, SHOULD HAVE BEEN ILLEGAL AND NOT HAPPEN, BUT IT DID HAPPEN. 
          AND IS THERE, AND IT'S TOTALLY UNFAIR THAT WE CAN'T EVEN DO WHAT'S BEING ASKED HERE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MEET THE CURRENT ENVIRONMENTAL AND LEGAL STANDARDS AT ALL. 
          SO I'M, I'M, UH, GONNA HAVE TO VOTE, UH, AGAINST THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT, BUT I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT THERE IS A REAPPLICATION WITH, WITH PROPER DESCRIPTIONS OF EVERYTHING IN DETAIL AND THAT, UH, SOME WORK GETS DONE, UH, WHO THE VENDORS MIGHT BE. 
          AND ALSO TO CHANGE THE WHOLE PLAN BECAUSE I COULD COME UP WITH A, A PLAN OF A HUNDRED YEAR, A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK WITH NATURAL VEGETATION. 
          HALF THE PROPERTY WOULD BE USED. 
          WE COULD DO NET NOSE, NET FILL WITH MOVING IT, CREATING BILE SWELLS AND PUTTING IT UP THERE USING THE GRAVEL THAT'S ALREADY THERE TO, TO RE AND MAKE IMPROVE TO MAKE IT BETTER A HYDROELECTRIC WISE, UH, TO ACTUALLY IMPROVE THE FLOODING CONDITIONS THAT'S POSSIBLE WITH USING NATIVE GRASSES RATHER THAN THE BARE DIRT OR JUST CHOPPING DOWN WEEDS. 
          YOU COULD USE NATIVE GRASSES TO, AND VARIOUS AS THE WALKWAYS THAT YOU SAID, ALL SORTS OF WAYS TO IMPROVE THE PROPERTY RATHER THAN HAVE IT DECLINE HYDROLOGICALLY IN FLOODING. 
          SO I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A FLOOD, UH, FLUTE TRUCKS THERE. 
          I DON'T WANNA SEE A HUGE MARKETPLACE THAT'S BEEN DESCRIBED. 
          I DON'T WANNA SEE THAT, UM, ON THAT SITE, BUT SOMETHING THAT'S CONFINED, CONTAINED, LIMITED AND CAN WORK WITH THE CONSTRAINTS OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS THAT ARE GONNA BE LAID DOWN IN FRONT OF THIS PROJECT ANYWAY. 
          UM, LET'S, LET'S START WITH THAT. 
          LET'S START WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS THAT WE HAVE TO BE AND JUST RE RE MY RECOMMENDATION, REDO THE APPLICATION, LISTEN TO THE OPTIONS AND, AND SEE WHERE WE CAN MAKE WORK AND MAKE THIS HAPPEN AND GET SOMETHING THERE AT LEAST. 
          SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY, BUT THE CURRENT THING IS THIS CURRENT PLAN, THIS CURRENT, UM, PROPOSITION, UM, I CAN'T GO FOR AT ALL AT THIS TIME. 
          OKAY? OKAY, GOOD. 
          THEN, UH, WITH NO OTHER COUNSEL COMMENTS AND HER HANDS RAISED, I'D LIKE TO SEE A MOTION FROM, UM, SOMEONE I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO UPHOLD THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION. 
          SECOND, TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION AS WRITTEN. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND A SECOND FROM, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE AND A, UH, ROLL CALL VOTE. 
          VOTE PLEASE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBERS BARNACLE AYE. 
          CATER THOMPSON? YES. 
          KEELEY? NO. 
          NOW. 
          NO. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          DID YOU SAY NO? THANK YOU. 
          UH, POST K NO. 
          YES. 
          COULD WE STRIP? SORRY, I WAS SAYING NO. 
          RIGHT? OKAY. 
          YES, POST THE CASE. 
          YES. 
          REBS? YES. 
          MAYOR MCCONNELL? YES. 
          MOTION PASSED. 
          FIVE TWO. 
          COUNCIL MEMBERS NEELY AND NALL VOTING. 
          NO. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH EVERYONE FOR BEING HERE THIS LATE. 
          AND SORRY, THINGS DO GO THIS LATE INTO THE EVENING. 
          AND WITH THAT, UH, THE MEETING FOR THE EVENING IS NOW ADJOURNED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          RECORDING. 
          STOPPED.
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