[00:00:02]
IT IS,[CALL TO ORDER]
UH, 6:02 PM OCTOBER 5TH.I'M A CALL TO ORDER THE OCTOBER 5TH AIRPORT COMMISSION.
UH, FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ROLL CALL CLAUDIA, PLEASE.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
UH, DAN, DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, DO NOT HAVE ANY COMMENT CARDS AT THIS TIME? ALL RIGHT.
SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM AND PRESENTATIONS THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE HAVE ANY PRESENTATIONS, WE WILL MOVE ON
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
TO THE NEXT ITEM, THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM OUR SEPTEMBER 7TH, UH, 2023 MEETING.HAS EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW? DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY CHANGES, ANY COMMISSIONERS CHANGES? NO.
UH, WITH THAT, WE WILL, UH, DEEM THE MINUTES APPROVED.
UH, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS PUBLIC, PUBLIC HEARING AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION.
[COMMITTEE COMMENT]
THERE IS COMMITTEE COMMENT.UH, AND THE FIRST ITEM IS FROM OUR CITY COUNCIL UPDATE.
COUNCILWOMAN WILL, UM, I'M HAPPY TO LET YOU KNOW THAT, UM, WE HEARD, UM, AS THE CITY COUNCIL FROM STAFF, UM, A TRESTLE UPDATE, IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE TRESTLE DOWN IN THE WATERFRONT AREA IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
SO WE GOT A, A PRESENTATION AND STAFF IS WORKING VERY HARD ON GRANT WRITING AND FINDING MATCHING FUNDS.
SO WHEN YOU GET A GRANT, YOU HAVE TO MATCH THE FUNDS.
ALSO, WE PASSED THE MOBILE HOME SENIOR OVERLAY, AND THIS PROTECTS THE TENANTS IN THOSE SENIOR MOBILE HOME PARKS.
WE ALSO HEARD FROM THE, UM, CITY STAFF ABOUT THE FAIRGROUNDS AND THE TENANTS, AND THEY GOT A THREE TO FIVE LEASE EXTENSION, AND THAT WAS VOTED ON BY THE COUNCIL.
AND SO THEY'RE, UM, LOCKED IN THOSE NINE TENANTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY RENTING ON THE FAIRGROUNDS NOW.
THE, UH, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE AD HOC SUB COMMITTEE REPORTS.
AND LET'S SEE, UH, SO IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER THAT I HAVE WRITTEN DOWN HERE, SO WE'LL START WITH, UH, HANGAR RES AND I BELIEVE THAT IS, UH, TOM AND NANCY, OR TOM IS THE CHAIR.
UH,
AND PART OF THAT IS HANGAR WAITING LIST.
ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES IS DEMAND FOR HANGERS AND TIEDOWN SPOTS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UM, SOUTH RAMP REHABILITATION IS COMPLETED AND THE AIRCRAFT, THE FEW THAT WERE THERE ARE BACK AND IT LOOKS GREAT.
AND SO ONE OF THE OBJECTIVES WE HAVE IS TO LOOK AT WHAT IS IT THAT GOVERNS DEMAND FOR TIGHT END AND OR HANGAR, UH, WAITING LIST SPOTS.
AND SINCE THE RAMP IS OPEN, PROBABLY NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE WAITING ON THE RAMP TO GO INTO A HANGAR.
I KNOW OUR LIST IS NOT TERRIBLY LONG, BUT WE NEED TO REALLY UNDERSTAND THE DEMAND AND WHAT'S DRIVING IT, BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER AIRPORTS, UM, THAT HAVE A HUGE WAITING LIST FOR HANGERS.
AND IN SOME CASES, ACCORDING TO FORMER COMMISSIONER RICK DUSTY, A WAITING LIST FOR TIEDOWN SPOTS UP IN AUBURN.
SO THERE ARE A LOT OF ISSUES INVOLVED, SOMETIMES UNIQUE TO A SPECIFIC AIRPORT LOCATION.
SO WE NEED TO GET INTO THAT AND UNDERSTAND THAT BETTER.
WE'VE GOT A MEETING SET UP WITH, UM, MANAGER DAN NEXT WEEK.
AND, UM, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT, UM, TRYING TO GATHER DATA TO BETTER UNDERSTAND SORT OF THE BUSINESS CLIMATE AND THE SORT OF THE CONTEXT OF WHERE WE ARE NOW.
WE THINK WE KNOW, BUT JUST TRYING TO GO OUT AND DO SOMETHING ARBITRARILY MIGHT NOT HELP OUR CASE.
SO WE NEED TO REALLY FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE INTEND TO GO ON THAT.
I THINK THAT'S IT, UNLESS YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? S UH, NO, I HAVE ANYTHING.
DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY, UH, QUESTIONS?
[00:05:02]
I, I'M, I, I'M CURIOUS WHAT THE OCCUPANCY RATE, I, IF THAT'S IS ON THE HANGERS, ON THE, UH, JUST LOCALLY.I MEAN, I DON'T, I GUESS NOSS IS NOT REALLY A COMPARISON, BUT SAY OF SANTA ROSA.
YEAH, I DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS DIRECTLY AT HAND.
I'VE GOT A STACK OF DATA HERE, I'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH IT.
BUT IN MOST CASES, THE AIRPORTS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN DATA FROM, LARGELY THAT THEY HAVE AVAILABLE ONLINE.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANT TO DO IS TOUCH BASE WITH EITHER AIRPORT REPRESENTATIVES OR AIRPORT MANAGERS AT SOME OF THE LOCAL AIRPORTS AROUND IN THE BAY AREA AND FIND OUT WHAT'S DRIVING THEIR DEMAND FOR HANGERS AND HOW ARE THEY DOING IN MOST CASES.
UH, THE HANGERS, UM, AT SURROUNDING AIRPORTS ARE FAIRLY WELL OCCUPIED, FAIRLY FULL.
UM, UH, ONE AIRPORT A FEW YEARS AGO, SAN MARTIN, UM, BUILT A WHOLE BUNCH OF HANGERS AND THEY SAT EMPTY FOR YEARS, WHICH IS NOT A GOOD EXPENDITURE OF FUNDS, BUT REGARDLESS.
UM, SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE DON'T DO THAT GOING FORWARD, SO WE NEED TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT IN MOST CASES, MOST AIRPORTS, AT LEAST IN OUR AREA, THE HANGERS THE MOST PART FULL MODERATE TO SMALL WAITING LIST.
UM, AND AGAIN, THAT GETS INTO THE, WE REALLY NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON AND WHAT THE MARKETPLACE IS LIKE.
SO OUR NO MORE COMMENTS, WE'LL MOVE ON.
THE, UH, NEXT AD HOC COMMITTEE I HAVE ON MY LIST IS THE HANGAR POLICY, WHICH IS, UH, COMMISSIONER DOMI.
UM, SO WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY UPDATE ON THE WAIT LIST POLICY.
I DID HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR DAN, UM, JUST IN THE AIRPORT MANAGER MEETING JUST TO GET AN UPDATE ON THE CLIMATE.
TO TOM'S POINT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT BEFORE WE REALLY MOVED THIS FORWARD, OBVIOUSLY THE, THE CLIMATE'S SORT OF CHANGED SINCE WE STARTED THIS.
AT ONE POINT THERE WERE JUST KIND OF, YOU KNOW, AN EXTENSIVE LIST OF ACTIVE PEOPLE ON THE HANGER WAIT LIST.
AND AT THIS POINT IT SEEMS LIKE THERE ARE SOME OPEN T HANGERS.
UM, SO TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, A FEW OPEN SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE AVAILABLE WHEN SOMEONE WANTS ONE IS NOT NECESSARILY A BAD THING.
SO, UH, MAYBE WE CAN GET AN UPDATE ON THAT.
BUT ALSO JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, GOING BACK TO WHAT COMMISSIONER MCGAW WAS WORKING ON, IS UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE DEMAND TRULY IS FOR HANGERS.
IF WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT BUILDING ADDITIONAL HANGERS IN THE FUTURE, HAVING A, A WAITING LIST OF 60 PEOPLE AND GETTING, UH, EXCITED ABOUT BUILDING NEW HANGAR ROWS AND THEN COMING TO FIND OUT THAT, UH, WE CAN'T FILM 'EM WOULD OBVIOUSLY, UH, NOT BE THE BEST USE OF FUNDS.
SO, UM, IF WE CAN GET AN UPDATE THAT IN THE MANAGER'S REPORT, THEN WE CAN, UM, MAYBE HAVE AN UPDATE FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
UH, ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANY OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
THE, UH, NEXT, UH, AD HOC COMMITTEE I HAVE ON THE LIST IS AIRPORT ACCESS, WHICH IS, UH, ONCE AGAIN, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER DOMAGE AND MYSELF.
WE, UH, SO MARCUS AND I, UH, HAD A PHONE CONVERSATION, UM, WITH, UH, MR. MILL AND DISCUSSED THE UPDATES TO THE ACCESS POLICY.
UH, HE WAS, UH, HAPPY TO SEE THAT THERE WAS AT LEAST A, UH, PROCESS NOW TO REQUEST ACCESS.
I THINK, UM, WE CAN ALL APPRECIATE THAT, THAT THERE'S AN ACTUAL WRITTEN POLICY AND PROCESS NOW.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WAS KIND OF THE DRAFT OF, OF HOW THAT'S GONNA WORK AND JUST SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF WORKLOAD THAT'S ON STAFF TO PROCESS THESE REQUESTS.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT JUST AS KIND OF A TRIAL PERIOD, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE THINGS CAN BE CHANGED, BUT, UM, RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS LIKE THERE WERE SEVERAL THINGS THAT WERE LISTED, UM, REGARDING, UH, ACCESS REQUEST TYPES, LICENSED UNLICENSED AIRCRAFT, BANNER TOW, ET CETERA.
AND, UM, THERE'S CURRENTLY LOOKS LIKE A LIMIT OF TWO DAY, TWO CALENDAR DAYS PER WEEK, UH, ONLY FOR UNLICENSED AIRCRAFT.
SO, UM, COULD YOU ELABORATE ON THAT A LITTLE BIT TO WHERE THAT SURE.
UH, YEAH, IS POSSIBLE TO HOLD MY COMMENTS TILL THE REPORT 'CAUSE IT'S IN THERE, BUT I, I CAN, UH, I I, I'D BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS THAT PART ALONE.
YEAH, I GUESS WE CAN DISCUSS IT AT THAT POINT.
I MEAN, THE UPDATE IS, WE, WE DID MEET WITH, UH, WITH MR. MILL MM-HMM.
UM, DAN, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR WHAT YOU SAID.
DID YOU, YOU'D LIKE TO, I, I DO HAVE THIS IN THE, UH, THE MANAGER REPORT.
AND I WAS GONNA KIND OF GO THROUGH THE REASONING BEHIND THE FORM AND, UM, OKAY.
[00:10:01]
SORT OF OPEN-ENDED, YOU KNOW, WE, IT'S NOT SET IN CONCRETE, SO WE ARE OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS THAT HELP IMPROVE THE PROCESS.BUT YEAH, I'D BE HAPPY TO DISCUSS ALL THOSE.
IT'S A LITTLE HARD OF HEARING.
DOES, UH, IS THAT IT, JEFF? YEAH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY, UH, QUESTIONS? OH, I, I'D JUST LIKE TO ADD, DAN, I, I, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DID PUTTING THAT, THAT WEB, UH, TOGETHER, THAT'S, THAT'S, AND THEN YOU'VE GIVEN A TURNAROUND WHERE YOU'VE GIVEN THE TWO BUSINESS DAYS AND BEEN VERY CLEAR WITHOUT WHAT IT IS.
SO I, I COMMEND YOU AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, IF NOBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS, WE WILL MOVE TO THE FINAL AD HOC COMMITTEE, AND I BELIEVE THAT IS THE PROCEDURES.
SO I APPRECIATE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER RENELL, UM, MAKING SOME CONNECTIONS AND DAN PROVIDING INFORMATION.
UM, AS YOU WERE AWARE, IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION.
SO, UH, WE HAVE, UH, THAT MATERIAL TO REVIEW AND, UM, WE'LL BE TRYING TO FIND A TIME TO SIT DOWN AND TALK AMONGST OURSELVES IN, IN THE COMING WEEKS.
AND THEN WE'LL BRING BACK ANY QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE TO, UM, TO DAN AND, AND TO THE CITY.
SO WE'RE, WE, WE'RE STARTED
BUT WE, I APPRECIATE THE INFORMATION LAYERS AND, UH, YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE SLOGGING THROUGH, SO WE'LL GET THERE.
DOES, UH, ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? OKAY.
[STAFF COMMENT]
ON TO THE, UH, NEXT AGENDA ITEM, WHICH IS, UH, STAFF COMMENT, AND THAT IS THE AIRPORT MANAGER'S REPORT.DAN, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU.
JUST WANNA GET THE FINANCIAL OUTTA THE WAY HERE.
UM, WE'RE TRACKING VERY WELL TO THE END OF, UM, UH, AUGUST, UH, SHOWING REVENUES OF, UM, $344,000 AND EXPENDITURES OF $183,000.
UM, AS JUST A REMINDER, AS WE GO THROUGH THE, THE FISCAL YEAR, UH, WE TEND TO BUILD UP A, A BIT OF A, A REVENUE, UM, RESERVE.
AND ONCE WE HIT NOVEMBER, WE MAKE A BIG PAYMENT, UH, APPROXIMATELY 450 TO $500,000 IN A, A PRINCIPAL IN INTEREST FOR THE, UM, 2004 HANGAR PROJECT.
UM, SO WE'RE TRACKING REALLY WELL FOR THAT.
UH, WE DO HAVE SOME EXTRA EXPENDITURES THIS YEAR THAT WE HAVEN'T KIND OF FACTORED IN YET.
WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING ON AS FAR AS THE, UM, THE HANGER, UH, DOOR REPAIR, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HADN'T REALLY BUDGETED FOR, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO KIND OF, UM, SHOW THAT AT SOME POINT.
UM, SO WE, WE'LL PROBABLY BE A LITTLE BIT OVER, WE COULD BE A LITTLE BIT OVER EXPENDITURES OVER, UM, REVENUE THIS YEAR AS WE NEED TO DIP INTO THAT TO, TO MAKE THIS REPAIR.
UH, WE HAVE ORDERED THE, WELL, WE'VE SENT THE REQUEST TO SEND PAYMENT FOR THE DOOR, AND, UH, WE'RE NEGOTIATING WITH SOME CONTRACTORS TO SEE IF WHAT, WHAT BEST, BEST RATES WE CAN GET AS FAR AS THE INSTALLATION.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, THE FINANCES SO FAR, EARLY IN THE FISCAL YEAR HERE, BEFORE WE MOVE ON? ALRIGHT, I, ONE YES.
QUESTION AND, AND I GUESS I HAVE TWO.
DID DID WE HAVE THE FINAL 2023 NUMBERS IN THE LAST ONE THOUGH? ARE, ARE YOU, WE DID THE, I CAN, I COULD PUBLISH 'EM ONE MORE TIME, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE WE, UM, WE WERE PRETTY CLOSE.
WE WERE WITHIN A, I THINK ABOUT $20,000, UM, OKAY.
SLIGHTLY OVER, UH, REVENUE OVER EXPENDITURE.
UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE OPERATION BUDGET.
OBVIOUSLY WE DID DIP INTO, UH, THE RESERVE FUND FOR SOME OF THE CONSTRUCTION WORK THAT WE DID.
I, I, WE HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT THE NUMBERS YET.
WE STILL HAVE ONE MORE PAYMENT TO, TO MAKE LAST PAYMENT.
IT'S GO, IT'S GOING BEFORE COUNCIL, UH, NEXT MONDAY, THIS COMING MONDAY, I THINK, UM, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, AND THAT WOULD BE THE LAST PAYMENT FOR THE RAMP RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT.
UH, AT THIS TIME IT LOOKS LIKE THAT PROJECT IS GONNA COST THE FUND ABOUT $180,000.
UM, BUT, UM, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 150 AND HUNDRED, 180.
WE DON'T HAVE THE FINAL NUMBERS YET.
WE STILL HAVEN'T TAKEN OUR LAST PAYMENT FROM THE, THE F A, UM, FUNDS THAT HAVE BEEN ALLOCATED.
SO, UM, BUT OVERALL FOR WHAT WE, WE WERE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH, WE DID QUITE WELL IN, UH, 2023.
UH, AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION IS THE, YOU SAID THE PAYMENT HAS BEEN SENT FOR THAT.
SO THE HANGAR DOOR HAS BEEN ORDERED.
WE'VE
THEY'LL SEND OUT THE DOOR, UM, FROM THERE WE HAVE TO FIND, FIGURE OUT WHO'S GONNA INSTALL IT.
UM, WE HAVE TWO CONTRACTORS THAT ARE INTERESTED AT THIS TIME.
WE ONLY HAD ONE AT ONE POINT, SO THE SECOND ONE WANTS MORE INFORMATION, BUT WE'RE NOT SURE IF THIS IS GONNA BE SOLE SOURCE OR IF THERE ACTUALLY IS GONNA BE POT, POTENTIALLY A BID FOR THIS YET.
UM, BUT AS FAR AS THE PURCHASE, WE'VE JUST MADE
[00:15:01]
THAT PURCHASE, WHAT, WHAT'S THE TURNAROUND TIME ON THE, UH, THE ACTUAL MANUFACTURING AND THE DELIVERY OF THE DOOR? IT COULD BE UP TO SIX MONTHS, SIX MONTHS.THEY SAID YOU WERE GONNA HAVE TO WAIT BECAUSE, UH, I GUESS SUPPLIES THEIR LACK OF LABOR TO, TO MAKE THESE DOORS.
UM, BUT I THINK IT'S MOSTLY THE, THE SUPPLIES THAT THEY'RE RELYING ON, UH, THE STEEL AND OTHER THINGS, THEY'RE HAVING A HARD TIME GETTING ON TIME.
DO YOU THINK WE'LL BE IN A POSITION THAT ONCE THE DOORS DELIVERED, WE'RE LOOKING AT SIX MONTHS WITH THE TWO POTENTIAL IN INSTALLATION COMPANIES, THAT WE'LL HAVE ONE CHOSEN IDENTIFIED SO THAT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO AS SOON AS THE DOOR ARRIVES, THEN GET IT DONE? OR IS IT YOU THINK THERE'S GONNA BE AN ADDITIONAL DELAY? THAT'S THE INTENT.
THE HOPE, THE HOPE IS WE WOULD ALREADY BE LINED UP.
WE DO, WE DO WANNA GET A, IN A CONTRACT, UM, WITH THEM EARLY.
UM, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING FOR A LONG-TERM CONTRACT FOR, UM, FOR DOOR MAINTENANCE.
IT'S SOME SOMETHING THAT WE'VE REALLY STRUGGLED TO GET.
SAME WITH FUEL FARM, A BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS THAT WE WANT TO GET IN PLACE, UM, THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD TRADITIONALLY.
WE'VE JUST KIND OF DONE IT AS, YOU KNOW, AS THINGS CAME UP, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE A, A FIVE YEAR, WE A, UH, FIVE, FIVE-YEAR CONTRACT WITH THESE COMPANIES TO BE ABLE TO DO THESE THINGS AND ALREADY HAVE THEM UNDER CONTRACT SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE GOAL, WHICH IT SPEAKS TO THE PURCHASING, UM, AD HOC, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE IMPROVE TO LOWER THE TIME TO FROM, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, UM, FROM, UH, AN ISSUE TO THE, THE FINAL REPAIR.
DOES, DOES THE MANUFACTURER OF THE DOOR HAVE A PREFERRED, UH, INSTALLER OR AN INSTALLATION TEAM? WE ASKED BECAUSE WE'D SAID NOW THERE, UM, SOME DOOR MANUFACTURERS WILL DO, WILL DO THE INSTALL TOO.
THERE WAS A COMPETITOR DOOR, MUCH, MUCH HIGHER PRICE, THEY WOULD INSTALL IT.
UM, WE DID ASK THE DOOR MANUFACTURER, WE WENT TO THE EXACT SAME DOOR THAT WAS IN THERE, SAME, SAME MODEL, EVERYTHING ELSE WE WERE REPLACING ONE FOR ONE.
AND THEY, THEY HAVE WORKED WITH SOME OF THE LOCAL COMPANIES, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE A NECESSARILY A PREFERRED ONE.
THEY JUST HAVE CONTACTS, UNFORTUNATELY.
SO THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T HAVE ONE OR ANYTHING, ANYBODY, THEY CAN JUST SAY, HEY, WE, WE RECOMMEND THIS, THIS ONE COMPANY.
SO JUST GETTING TO THE, THE FIRST QUESTION, UM, THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER, UM, ICK, UH, ASKED THE ABOUT THE, UM, HANGAR DEMAND.
UM, SO YES, YOU ARE, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT IS THE CURRENT, CURRENT NUMBER OF HANGERS THAT ARE AVAILABLE? OR, OR, YEAH.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT, HAVE YOU HAD ANY CALLS FROM PEOPLE TO ADD TO THE WAIT LIST, UH, INQUIRIES, UM, JUST WHAT THE CLIMATE IS OUT THERE TO KIND OF SEE, YOU KNOW, DO YOU, DO YOU FORESEE INCREASING DEMAND OR ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES? I WOULD SAY WE GET ABOUT, UH, ONE TO TWO CALLS PER WEEK.
UM, CALL OR EMAIL, UH, JUST INQUIRING IF WE HAVE ANYTHING.
UM, AND THEN, UM, WE WE'RE KIND OF, WE'RE GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE WE HAVE A FEW, UH, FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN ON THE WAITING LIST WHO HAD, YOU KNOW, DON'T CALL ME BACK UNTIL THIS DATE.
THERE'S A FEW OF THOSE THAT WE'LL PROBABLY BE WORKING THROUGH THE LIST.
RIGHT NOW WE ONLY HAVE TWO HANGERS THAT ARE AVAILABLE.
UM, THERE ARE NOT THE SAME TWO NECESSARILY THAT WE HAD LAST MEETING, SO THEY, WE'VE BEEN KIND OF CYCLING THROUGH THEM.
UM, BUT WE SEEM TO BE HAVING AT LEAST TWO TO THREE, UM, AT ANY GIVEN TIME, WHICH IS GREAT AS FAR AS FOLKS THAT JUST WANNA WALK IN THE DOOR AND GRAB A HANGER.
UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE WANNA SEE MORE DEMAND AND A, AND A MORE ROBUST WAITING LIST WITH SERIOUS SPIS.
UM, A LOT OF OUR INQUIRIES ARE COMING FROM FOLKS THAT HAVE HAD AN AIRCRAFT PREVIOUSLY AND DON'T HAVE AN AIRCRAFT RIGHT THIS MOMENT, OR HAVE NEVER HAD AN AIRCRAFT BEFORE.
SO, WHEREAS A LOT OF, I THINK OUR, OUR WAITING LISTS WERE FOLKS THAT WERE MOVING FROM A DIFFERENT AREA, OR THEY WANTED TO, WANTED TO, UM, RELOCATE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THEIR HOUSE.
THE DEMAND TENDS TO BE FOLKS THAT ARE BUYING AIRCRAFT FOR THE FIRST TIME.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A CHANGE.
UM, THAT POSES A LITTLE BIT OF AN ISSUE WHEN IT COMES TO BEING ABLE TO ALLOCATE THE A HANGER.
'CAUSE OUR, OUR POLICY'S BEEN, YOU EITHER HAVE TO HAVE AN AIRCRAFT, YOU HAVE TO BE IN CONTRACT WITH A, UM, AN AIRCRAFT BROKER OR SOMEBODY THAT'S GOING TO HELP THEM FIND AN AIRCRAFT OR BE UNDER CONTRACT FOR AN AIRCRAFT OR SOME, SOME SORT OF LEGAL DOCUMENT SAYING, HEY, I EITHER OWN OR AM TRYING TO GET AN AIRCRAFT, UH, IN A SHORT AMOUNT OF PERIOD OF TIME FOR US TO HOLD A HANGAR FORM.
IT JUST DOESN'T, IT'S HARD FOR US TO JUSTIFY OTHERWISE.
[00:20:01]
THAT KEEPS, THAT KEEPS COMING UP WHERE SOMEONE WANTS AN AIRCRAFT, THEY'RE NOT EVEN SURE SOMETIMES WHICH MODEL, THEY'RE THAT FLEXIBLE.THEY KIND OF KNOW WHAT THEY WANT, BUT THEY'RE NOT SURE.
AND WE, WE KEEP GETTING THESE INQUIRIES.
SO THAT SEEMS TO BE THE BULK OF THE DEMAND.
A FEW OF OUR TENANTS ARE TAKING ON SECOND AIRCRAFT.
UM, BUT, UM, AND THEN SOME OF OUR TENANTS ARE REDUCING AND, AND, UH, ONES THAT HAVE TWO HANGERS ARE GIVING ONE UP.
SO IT'S KIND OF, IT'S, IT, THE DEMAND IS, IS A LITTLE ALL OVER THE PLACE.
BUT I WOULD SAY WE DON'T HAVE THE ROBUST DEMAND THAT WE HAD 18 MONTHS AGO OR TWO YEARS AGO, WHERE WE KIND OF SEE, SAW THE PEAK, UM, WHERE THERE WAS A LOT, WE STILL SEE HEAVY DEMAND FOR LARGE HANGERS.
I GET THAT REQUEST ALL THE TIME.
UM, WE HAD SOMEONE WITH A TWIN THE OTHER DAY WHERE OUR, WE HAVE A 41 FOOT HANGER, AND NORMALLY YOU COULD FIT A SMALL TWIN, A BARON OR SOMETHING INTO IT, BUT THIS ONE WAS LIKE 11 SIX.
I THINK OUR DOOR IS RIGHT AROUND 12.
LIKE IT'S SOMETIMES THE HANGERS ARE JUST A LITTLE BIT TOO SMALL FOR, FOR WHAT THE DEMAND IS.
SO AS FAR AS LARGE HANGERS, I DON'T HAVE ANY DOUBT THAT HAD WE, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE ABLE TO BUILD A DOZEN, THEY WOULD ALL BE FILLED.
I THINK THE DEMAND IS DEFINITELY SOFTENED FOR THE SMALLER TEE HANGERS.
UM, UH, JUST REAL QUICK, WHEN YOU SAY LARGE HANGERS, ARE YOU TALKING 50 BY 50 TYPE SIZE? STARTING IT, STARTING IT RIGHT AROUND 50 FOOT OPENING.
SO LIKE A 2000 SQUARE FOOT HANGER, THAT SIZE LIGHT TWIN SMALL TURBINE TYPE AIRCRAFT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE, WE SEE THINGS RIGHT NOW THAT COULD CHANGE.
UM, OBVIOUSLY IT'S, IT'S SEASONAL BASED ON WHAT'S, WHAT TAX SEASON WE'RE IN AND, UM, WHERE THE ECONOMY IS.
BUT, UM, THAT SEEMS TO BE WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW, WHERE WE DO HAVE A TRICKLE OF, OF FOLKS THAT ARE GETTING INTO AIRCRAFT OWNERSHIP FOR THE FIRST TIME.
AND, UM, WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO, TO CONNECT UP WITH THE HANGAR.
AND THAT DEMAND SEEMS TO BE MEETING PRETTY CLOSELY TO, TO, UM, I WOULD SAY A GROUP OF MID SEVENTIES TO EIGHTIES, UM, TENANTS WHO ARE NOW MOVING OUT FROM AIRCRAFT OWNERSHIP.
AND SOME OF 'EM ARE GOING TO RENT, SOME OF ARE DOING, GIVING IT UP COMPLETELY.
BUT THAT SEEMS TO BE THE TREND.
AND THOSE TWO NEW AIRCRAFT OWNERSHIP AND FOLKS THAT ARE GIVING UP HANGERS IS MEDIAN ABOUT THE SAME.
AND THEN, UH, JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, HOW ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD YOU SAY HAVE OFFICIALLY BEEN ADDED TO THE WAITING LIST IN THE LAST THREE MONTHS? I THINK WE HAVE, UM, I THINK WE'VE HAD ABOUT, I WOULD SAY THREE IN THE LAST THREE MONTHS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO IT'S ABOUT AVERAGE ABOUT ONE A MONTH, ABOUT THREE A MONTH, OR ONE A MONTH.
I THINK IT'S ABOUT ONE A MONTH AN ADMIN CAN CONFIRM.
IS IT ABOUT EVERY OTHER MONTH WE'RE GETTING A NEW, UM, WAIT LIST OR, UH, ARE WE GETTING A, A ONE WAIT LIST REQUEST OR A NEW NEW DEPOSIT FOR A HANGER WAIT LIST ABOUT ONCE A MONTH? OR IS IT KIND OF EVERY OTHER MONTH MAYBE, OR ABOUT ONCE A MONTH? ONCE A MONTH.
SO WE'RE AVERAGE ABOUT ONE A MONTH, I WOULD SAY FOR, FOR NEW, NEW PEOPLE ON THE LIST.
SO DAN, IF, IF SOMEBODY IS IN THE PROCESS OF, OF LOOKING FOR AN AIRCRAFT TO PURCHASE, MAY NOT BE UNDER CONTRACT YET, UM, DO THEY TYPICALLY PUT THEIR NAMES ON THE WAITING LIST OR ARE THEY JUST LOOKING FOR AN OPEN HANGER THEY CAN SCOOT INTO? MOST, I WOULD SAY, UH, THE MAJORITY OF THE HANGERS THAT WE PUT INTO CONTRACT OVER THE LAST THREE MONTHS HAVE BEEN ESSENTIALLY WALK-INS.
WE'VE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE LIST WE'VE OFFERED TO EVERYONE, UH, BUT I WOULD SAY MOST OF 'EM ARE WALK-INS.
UH, WE HAD, YOU KNOW, WE HAD ONE TENANT THAT WAS LOOKING FOR A LARGER HANGAR.
THEY WENT FOR, FOR, UH, A SMALLER AIRCRAFT.
WE WERE ABLE TO GET THEM A HANGER, UH, AN, UH, ADDITIONAL HANGER.
UM, SO THE, YEAH, IT, IT, IT WE'RE, WE'RE SEEING
SO SOMEBODY THAT MAYBE ON THE WAITING LIST, THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA BE ON THE LIST FOR VERY LONG, GIVEN THE TURNOVER IN HANGERS IS WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE SAYING.
EXCEPT THAT I GUESS MOST OF THE, MOST, THE PEOPLE ON THE, ON THE WAITING LIST, UM, ARE JUST NOT READY.
I GUESS THAT WOULD BE THE CATEGORY I PUT THEM IN.
THEY, THEY WANT TO, BUT THEY'RE NOT READY.
SO IF YOU HAD TO GUESS, HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD YOU SAY ARE ON THE WAITING LIST, UH, THAT WOULD BE READY TO MOVE INTO A HANGAR IF ONE CAME AVAILABLE? YOU SAID WE HAD TWO THAT ARE CURRENTLY OPEN.
ARE THOSE SOMEONE WAITING FOR A 41 OR? I WOULD SAY HALF ARE LOOKING FOR LARGE.
THE OTHER HALF ARE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING.
I GUESS THE OTHER HALF OR HALF OF THOSE, THE QUARTER OF THOSE ARE LOOKING FOR, THEY'RE STILL LOOKING FOR THEIR AIRCRAFT.
THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW, THEY'RE NOT EVEN SURE WHAT THEY'RE BUYING.
UM, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE AN AIRCRAFT CURRENTLY.
AND THEN THE OTHER HALF OF THOSE I THINK ARE JUST, EITHER THEY'RE JUST NOT
[00:25:01]
IN THE RIGHT PLACE THAT THEY CAN TAKE THAT HANGAR.UM, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE OUR SUPPLY AND DEMANDS SORT OF AN EQUILIBRIUM AT THE MOMENT, RIGHT? IT'S PRETTY CLOSE.
I WOULD SAY IT'S PRETTY CLOSE.
WE SOME SHUFFLE OUT AS OTHERS COME IN.
SO WE'RE SORT OF RIGHT THERE DESPITE THE FACT THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE INTERESTED ON THE WAITING LIST.
BUT AS FAR AS SOMEONE WHO WOULD BE READY TO MOVE IN TOMORROW, SOUNDS LIKE ALL THOSE PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO BE ACCOMMODATED IF, IF THEY'RE WILLING TO TAKE ANY T HANGER? YES.
I, I BELIEVE THERE IS A, THERE ARE MORE NON TENANTS THAT ONE HANGERS WE'VE NEVER ADVERTISED.
SO THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT THERE'S JUST, THERE'S A GOOD 5% OUT THERE OF, I GUESS, OF OUR TOTAL HANGAR OCCUPANCY.
THERE'S PROBABLY A 5% THAT'S NOT AT, THAT ARE NOT TENANTS THAT WOULD BE INTERESTED.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF HOW MUCH OUR EFFORT AND EXPENSE ARE WE GOING TO DO PUT OUT TO TRY TO, TO GET THOSE, THOSE TENANTS, THANKFULLY MOST OF 'EM WILL CALL MM-HMM.
THEY MAY BE DESPERATE FOR SOMETHING AND THEY'RE WILLING TO PUT SOMEWHERE THAT'S NOT THE MOST CONVENIENT.
YEAH, I THINK PUTTING THE OPEN HANGERS ON THE WEBSITE WAS DEFINITELY A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, JUST BECAUSE THE CONSENSUS THAT I'VE HEARD FROM OTHERS, PEOPLE AT OTHER AIRPORTS, THEY'VE JUST THOUGHT THAT PETALUMA'S HAD A WAITING LIST THAT'S YEARS LONG, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE NO IDEA THAT, YOU KNOW, THINGS HAVE CHANGED A LITTLE BIT.
SO HAVING THAT OUT THERE, HOPEFULLY, IF, IF ONE PERSON CAN SEE IT, CAN GET THE WORD OUT.
SO GLAD TO SEE THAT, UH, AT LEAST WE'RE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE THAT ARE READY TO GO.
THE QUESTION'S ABOUT HANGERS BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE FEE STUDY.
SO REALLY GOOD NEWS, THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT IS, UM, HAS HIRED, UH, A CONSULTANT TO HELP US, UM, SEVERAL DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS IN THE CITY, UM, WORK ON A FEE STUDY AND, UM, TRY TO TRY TO DEVELOP EITHER, UH, RE REMOVING FEES THAT ARE NO LONGER APPLICABLE, ADDING FEES, UH, AS, AS NEEDED.
SO THE, THE, THE BIGGER PART OF THIS IS LOOKING AT ALL RATES.
UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY DEPARTMENTS ARE AFFECTED BY THIS, BUT THE AIRPORT AND MARINA ARE R ONE.
AND SO WE ARE LOOKING AT THE AIRPORT FEES, UM, IN ABOUT A WEEK AND A HALF.
I, I'M GONNA BE SUBMITTING, UM, KIND OF RECOMMENDATIONS FROM, FROM MY DEPARTMENT ON WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED BY THE COMMISSION PREVIOUSLY.
UH, AND I JUST WANTED TO GO OVER TO, WE, WE PUB WE PUBLISHED IT, UM, WITH THIS AGENDA JUST AS KIND OF A WORKSHEET.
UM, THIS IS NOT A, THIS IS NOT OFFICIAL PROPOSAL, THIS IS JUST THE, THE SORT OF THE WORKSHEET WE'RE USING TO TRY TO LOOK AT WHERE OUR FEES ARE RIGHT NOW.
SOME CHANGES THAT WE'D LIKE TO MAKE TO 'EM, UH, BASED ON THE COMMENTS WE'VE RECEIVED FROM, UH, TENANTS FROM THE COMMISSION, UM, FROM FROM VISITORS
AND ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHANGES THAT WE'RE, WE'D LIKE TO PROPOSE, UM, AS PART OF THIS PROCESS IS TO CHANGE THE, THE WAY THAT WE LOOK AT RATES.
SO, AS YOU'RE AWARE, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A COUPLE, UH, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO WITH THE, THE RATE CHANGE JULY 1ST, THE RATE CHANGES BASED ON A SQUARE FOOTAGE RATE.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE OLDER, UH, T HANGERS ARE CURRENTLY 47 CENTS PER SQUARE FOOT.
UM, WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, HOW THAT IS DIFFICULT TO ADJUST TO THREE, FOUR, 5%.
UM, WHEN WE DO OUR ADJUSTMENTS EVERY YEAR, JUST BECAUSE WE GET INTO THE, THE MICRO DECIMAL NINE, I THINK EIGHT OR NINE PLACE DECIMAL CHANGES, UM, WHICH JUST DOESN'T, UM, IS VERY HARD TO MAKE ACCURATE.
AND SO, UH, WE, IT'S VERY HARD FOR US TO MAKE RATE CHANGES THAT ARE TO THE EXACT PERCENTAGE OF THE, OF THE RATE CHANGE ACROSS THE CITY FOR ALL FEES.
SO THE RECOMMENDATION, AND RIGHT NOW THERE IS NO OBJECTION FROM THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT.
WE'D LIKE TO MOVE THOSE TWO, UM, BASED ON A SET SQUARE FOOTAGE, JUST LIKE THE RATE IS, THERE WOULD BE A TOTAL AMOUNT.
SO FOR INSTANCE, UH, FOR HANGAR ROW ONE, ONE A, IT'S IN THE SAME CATEGORY AS, UH, FOUR A, SIX A, SIX K, SEVEN A, ET CETERA.
THAT WOULD BE FOUR 80 AND 4 CENTS PER MONTH.
THAT'S WHAT EVERYONE'S PAYING RIGHT NOW.
WE WOULD PRINT THAT RATE INSTEAD OF THE 47 CENTS PER SQUARE FOOT WHEN WE WENT TO CHANGE THE RATES, SAY, SAY RATES GO UP 1.3% OR SOMETHING IN JULY 1ST, WE WOULD CHANGE THAT, THE FOUR $85 AND 4 CENTS BASED ON THAT RATE, NOT THE 47 CENTS PER SQUARE FOOT, AND THEN DO THE MATH ON WHAT EACH HANGAR TENANT WAS GONNA PAY.
[00:30:01]
UM, THIS IS BASED ON THE COMMENTS WE RECEIVED FROM A LOT OF TENANTS THAT WERE UPSET BY THE, IN WHAT THEY SAW WAS INACCURATE CHANGES IN THE FEES.UM, AS WE EXPLAINED OVER A COURSE OF TWO TO THREE YEARS, USUALLY ALL THE RATES WORK OUT TO THE SAME, TO THE SAME C P I INCREASES THAT WE WOULD NORMALLY SEE.
BUT, UM, WE FEEL THAT THIS IS A BETTER WAY TO DO IT.
UM, IT'S MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD.
PEOPLE CAN JUST LOOK AND SEE WHAT PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY PAYING AND NOT A SQUARE FOOTAGE, WHICH IS KIND OF A, UM, IT'S A DI BIT OF A DISCONNECT FROM THE, THE FINAL RATE THAT PEOPLE WILL PAY.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? YEAH, I JUST, JUST ONE THOUGHT AND, AND, UM, IF THERE'S ANY OPPORTUNITY THAT, UH, PERHAPS NANCY AND I COULD, UM, TOUCH BASE WITH THE PEOPLE THAT ARE, THAT HAVE BEEN, UH, CONTRACTED TO DO THIS STUDY, IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL BASED ON MY
I RECALL YEARS BACK WHERE THE CITY DID A RATE AND FEE STUDY, AND THE COMPANY THAT WAS RETAINED TO DO THE STUDY MADE ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT THE AIRPORT AND THE USE OF THE AIRPORT PROPERTY IN TERMS OF HANGAR AND TIE-DOWN RENTS AND ALL OF THAT, UH, THAT WERE, LET'S JUST SAY, IN INAPPROPRIATE AND NOT RELEVANT TO AN AIRPORT.
AND AS A CONSEQUENCE, THEY RECOMMENDED INCREASES BASED ON, UM, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ACTIVITY AS OPPOSED TO AIRCRAFT HANGAR, A BING RUSH.
AND THE FOLKS INVOLVED HAD NO CONCEPT OF WHAT THAT MEANT.
AND SO WE HAD A PRETTY GOOD KICKUP IN RENTS THERE FOR A LITTLE BIT, AND I THINK THAT GOT MODERATED, BUT STILL, WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHOEVER IS INVOLVED IN DOING THIS UNDERSTANDS THE CONTEXT OF WHAT THEY'RE DEALING WITH.
AND, YOU KNOW, BLESS THEIR HEARTS, THEY JUST MAYBE HAVE NEVER HAD AN EXPERIENCE WITH AN AIRPORT FOR ORA MARINA, AND WE JUST DON'T WANT TO GET 'EM OFF IN THE WRONG TRACK OF TRYING TO COMPARE APPLES TO PEANUTS.
SO, AND WE DO HAVE, UM, THE REQUIREMENT TO BE, UH, WITH OUR RATES AND FEE STRUCTURE COMPETITIVE WITH OUR, UM, NEARBY SURROUNDING AIRPORTS.
UM, BECAUSE IT ESSENTIALLY, THIS IS A NON-PROFIT BUSINESS.
IT'S NOT LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE WATER DEPARTMENT OR, OR THE BUS TRANSIT SYSTEM, BLESS THEIR HEARTS.
I KNOW THEY WORK HARD AND THEY, THEY DO WELL, BUT STILL THE AIRPORT, WE, WE NEED TO SUPPORT OURSELVES AND WE DON'T WANT TO BE IN A PLACE WHERE WE END UP PRICING OURSELVES TO AN UNCOMPETITIVE POSITION, UM, AND LOSE TENANTS ON THAT.
SO IF THERE'S ANY CHANCE THAT WE COULD AT LEAST TOUCH BASE OR IF YOU COULD CHECK WITH THAT GROUP AND SEE IF THEY HAVE AN EXPERIENCE WITH HANGERS AND MARINAS JUST, OR WITH AIRPORTS AND MARINAS, JUST TO SEE IF THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE DEALING WITH.
TO MY UNDERSTAND THIS, UH, THE CONSULTANT HAS WORKED WITH US PRIOR, UH, TO THIS, UH, THEY DID THE LAST FEE STUDY.
UM, BUT UM, I WILL SEE IF IT, THEY'RE OPEN TO, WE'LL SEE IF THE FINANCES DEPARTMENT IS OPEN TO HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF COMMISSIONER A COMMENT ALONG WITH THAT.
UM, I WILL SAY THAT AS FAR AS LIKE HANGAR FEES AND TIE DOWNS, MOST LIKELY THAT IS GONNA BE THE BIGGEST FACTOR.
THERE WILL BE, UH, THE, THE MARKET RATE.
UM, NOW OTHER FEES THAT, FOR INSTANCE ON HERE WE HAVE, UM, WE HAVE A FEW THAT WE, WE THROW ON THERE JUST IN CASE WE EVER NEED THEM.
AIRPORT STAFF SUPPORT, THAT'S GONNA BE BASED ON THE FEES.
UM, OR BASED ON THE, THE RATE THAT THAT EMPLOYEE IS OUR, PRETTY MUCH OUR HIGHEST EMPLOYEE THAT WOULD, WOULD SERVE IN THAT CAPACITY FOR THAT FEE.
UM, THAT'S BASED ON THEIR SALARY HOURS SALARY.
UM, SAME WOULD BE TRUE FOR A FEW OTHER THINGS.
UM, THE, UM, SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE FEES, UH, ARE BASED ON STAFF TIME.
OTHER ONES WOULD BE BASED ON, UM, JUST THE MARKET RATE.
SO, BUT THEY'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT ALL THAT.
UM, AND I, THEY'RE VERY GOOD AT IT,
SO, SO THAT WOULD BE TIME EXPENDED BY STAFF ABOVE AND BEYOND THE ALLOCATION THAT WE ALREADY PAY FOR THIS WOULD BE BASED ON A, A SPECIFIC KIND OF ACTIVITY.
SO FOR INSTANCE, IF WE HAD, THERE'S A FILM CREW, RIGHT? THEY GET A FILM PERMIT WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT WE MAY HAVE TO ADD ANOTHER FEE DEPENDING ON WHAT HAS BEEN PROMISED.
SO WE MAY HAVE TO PROVIDE STAFF FOR THAT, THEREFORE, OTHER FEES NEED TO BE BEYOND TYPICAL ADMINISTRATION.
SO DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO, AND JUST, UM, AND GONNA WANNA SHOW YOU WHERE WE ARE, WE'RE TRYING TO PULL AS MUCH DATA AS POSSIBLE.
SO, UH, WE'RE PULLING FROM OBVIOUSLY SONOMA COUNTY AIRPORT, UH, NUT TREE, UM,
[00:35:01]
CON, CONTRA COSTA, UH, NAPA, SEVERAL OTHERS, AUBURN, AS MANY AS AIRPORTS IN THE AREA THAT WE CAN, WE'RE TRYING TO PULL THEIR RATES.NOW THERE'S SOME AIRPORTS THAT ARE JUST, THEY'RE JUST LOW AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE EVER GOING TO PRICE MATCH THEM.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THE RATES ARE SO LOW.
UM, BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE MAY NEED TO ADJUST LOWER.
UH, THERE MAY BE SOME THAT NEED TO GO UP.
UH, ONE, ONE AREA THAT WE, THAT MIGHT, THAT WE'RE KIND OF GONNA, I'M, I'M RECOMMENDING THAT WE MAY LOOK AT TO REDUCE WOULD BE THE TIE DOWN FEES.
UM, OUR TIE DOWN IS, IS PRETTY HIGH IN COMPARISON TO A LOT OF AIR, OTHER AIRPORTS.
UM, I THINK THE AVERAGE ACROSS ALL OF THEM, UM, IF YOU DON'T THROW IN SOME OF THE MORE PREMIUM AIRPORTS LIKE TRUCKEE TEND TO BE MORE IN A 60 TO $65, UM, PER MONTH FOR A TIE DOWN, WE'RE AT 72.
SO, SO THAT'S PART OF WHAT, LOOKING AT THIS, YOU KNOW, IS TRUCKEE AN ACCURATE, ARE THEY AN OUTLIER? DO THEY EVEN NEED TO BE AN AVERAGE? SO WE'RE TRYING TO AVERAGE OUT, KINDA LOOK AT THAT, SEE WHICH ONES ARE KIND OF OUTLIERS.
UM, BUT THAT'S ONE AREA WE PROBABLY COULD REDUCE IS A TIE DOWN FEE, UM, IF WE'RE NOT BEING COMPETITIVE IN THAT AREA.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING PROBABLY MORE AT 60, $65 WOULD BE MORE, UM, CLOSER TO WHAT OTHER AIRPORTS ARE ARE CHARGING NOW.
I THINK OUR TENANTS GET A LOT, OUR TIE DOWN TENANTS GET A LOT FOR THAT 72, BUT THAT MIGHT BE JUST A LITTLE HIGH.
THAT COULD HELP BRING IN SOME MORE.
I DON'T KNOW, I'VE ONLY GOTTEN A COUPLE COMMENTS OVER THE YEARS ABOUT TIE DOWNS BEING TOO, TOO, TOO MUCH.
USUALLY IT'S MORE OF A DISINTEREST IN TIE DOWNS, NOT A, A PRICE ISSUE.
UM, ANOTHER AREA THAT WE NEED TO INCREASE THOUGH IS THE OVERNIGHT FEES, UM, ROUTINE.
YOU KNOW, IF WE LOOK ACROSS A LOT OF THE AIRPORTS, THE, THE AVERAGE ACROSS THE BAY AREA IS ABOUT $10 A NIGHT.
NOW, THAT'S NOT A BIG, THAT'S NOT A BIG, BIG DEAL.
THAT'S, WE'RE NOT TALKING A LOT ABOUT A LOT OF NUMBER, UH, MONEY THERE.
BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN AREA WHERE WE CAN INCREASE.
I THINK WE CAN ALSO, UM, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO INCREASE SOME OF THE OTHER AIRCRAFT, LIKE THE JET AIRCRAFT.
THAT WAS ONE THAT I THINK COMMISSIONER DUSTY, UH, FORMER COMMISSIONER DUSTY HAD LOOKED AT WHERE WE, WE DON'T CHARGE VERY MUCH FOR, UH, TURBINE AIRCRAFT, UH, JETS THAT STAY OVERNIGHT.
UH, WE'RE ONLY CHARGING, I THINK, $13 RIGHT NOW A NIGHT, WHICH IS PRETTY LOW.
AND IT'S ALMOST, WE ALMOST GET LAUGHS FROM, FROM SOME OF THE FLIGHT CREW.
SO THAT'S ONE WHERE I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO INCREASE THAT.
UM, IT'S JUST, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, MOST OF THESE COMPANIES HAVE NO ISSUE PAYING MORE.
IT DOESN'T AFFECT OUR TENANTS JUST ON THE WAY TO ADD REVENUE, PAY, PAY OUR, UM, OUR STAFF, SO THAT, THOSE ARE A COUPLE OF THE AREAS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
UM, ONE OF THE BIG CHANGES I'M PROPOSING IS WE BREAK APART THE WAY WE DO, UM, UH, OVERNIGHT, UH, FEES.
RIGHT NOW WE JUST HAVE A, ESSENTIALLY A SINGLE ENGINE AND A TWIN JET.
SO WE'RE LIKE A LOT OF AIRPORTS, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO BREAK THOSE OUT.
SO WE HAVE SINGLE ENGINE PISTON, TWIN ENGINE PISTON, WHICH IS VERY CLOSE IN FEES.
IT'S, I THINK IT'S ONLY $8 DIFFERENCE, YOU KNOW, FOR WHERE THOSE TWO WOULD BE.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THE JUMP TO, TO JET, WHICH WOULD BE, UM, A BIT MORE.
UM, EACH HOP IS ABOUT 1.5 TIMES THE PREVIOUS ONE.
SO, UM, ANYWAY, THAT'S JUST ONE AREA WHERE, UM, I THINK WE NEED TO DIFFERENTIATE TURBINE AIRCRAFT FROM, UH, YOU KNOW, SMALLER, UH, PISTON TWIN.
WE'RE TRYING NOT TO, UM, ADD UNNECESSARY FEES FOR FOLKS THAT JUST WANNA FLY IN FOR THE WEEKEND, HAVE SOME FUN, THEY'RE NOT DOING BUSINESS.
THEY'RE JUST HAVING, THEY'RE JUST HAVING A GOOD TIME.
THEY HAVE NO PROBLEM, YOU KNOW, PAYING 10, $15 A NIGHT, IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL.
BUT FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, A CHARTER OR SOMETHING WHERE, UM, A MUCH HIGHER FEE AT $22 OR HIGHER WOULD NOT EVEN BE, THEY WOULDN'T EVEN, UM, HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THAT.
UM, SO ANYWAY, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT SO FAR? TRY TO SPEND TOO MUCH TIME ON THIS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO EXPLAIN WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE.
I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO TAKE ANY SUGGESTIONS ON, YOU KNOW, MAYBE FEES THAT I DIDN'T EVEN HAVE LISTED HERE.
BUT, UM, ONE THING WE, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF 'EM ARE JUST KIND OF HOUSEKEEPING THINGS.
WE'VE NEVER SHOWN OUR KEYS OR CARD DEPOSIT.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T DO A DEPOSIT FOR, FOR KEYS CURRENTLY, BUT WE DO FOR GATE CARDS.
UM, AND WE'RE ALL DOING THIS WITH A MARINA TOO.
WE WANNA HAVE EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING WE POSSIBLE COULD CHARGE.
WE WANNA HAVE IT LISTED ON THIS SHEET SO THAT THAT IS PART OF THE GOAL OF THIS PROCESS.
SO WE'VE ADDED A COUPLE OF THOSE, THE BIGGEST ONE ON HERE.
UM, AND WE HAD A RENTAL CAR THING ON THERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE EVER GOING TO DO THE RENTAL CAR, HAVE RENTAL CARS AVAILABLE THAT WE HOLD FOR, FOR CUSTOMERS, BUT, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT THE OPTION TO AT SOME POINT.
10% OF THE CONTRACT SEEMS REASONABLE.
UM, WE'VE OFFERED SOME OTHER OPTIONS TO RENT A CAR, COMPANIES PUT IN A DROPBOX IN THE TERMINAL, THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT, UM, THERE'S JUST A FEW THINGS IN HERE THAT WE'D LIKE TO, TO ADD ON IN CASE WE EVER NEED TO USE 'EM.
[00:40:01]
WE REALLY NEED IS WE NEED A COMMERCIAL USE FEE ON OUR, ON OUR, UM, RATES AND CHARGES.UM, IN CASE WE HAVE A COMPANY THAT NEEDS A SET UP ON THE AIRPORT SOMEWHERE AT SOME POINT.
UM, AND WE ALSO NEED ONE THAT'S SPECIFICALLY FOR AIRCRAFT MAINTENANCE.
UM, WE ALREADY, WE ALREADY HAVE IT AS A PUBLISHED CHARGE, UH, ON OUR FORMS, BUT SOMETHING WE WANNA SOLIDIFY WITH OUR RATE SCHEDULE, IF WE'RE GONNA BE CHARGING IT, WE NEED TO HAVE IT ON HERE RIGHT NOW.
IF, IF A COMPANY WANTS TO COME ON THE AIRFIELD AND DO MAINTENANCE IN, IN, IN A CITY OWNED HANGAR, WE CHARGE ESSENTIALLY ONE 30TH, ONE DAY OF A COMMERCIAL MINIMUM COMMERCIAL SIZED HANGAR RENT.
NOW, RIGHT NOW THAT'S ABOUT $70.
$70 IS ONE 30TH OF NOW WE TACK ON A LITTLE EXTRA FOR THE TAXES THAT THEY NEVER WOULD NORMALLY PAY AS A TENANT.
SO OUT THE DOOR WITHOUT ANY OTHER ADMIN FEES, IT'S $72 A DAY.
UM, WE HAVE, UH, ADDED A ADMIN FEE TO SOME OF OUR FORMS TO, TO HELP PROCESS THE PAPERWORK AND THE ACCESS CODES TO BE ABLE TO GET ON THE AIRFIELD.
SO FAR, NO ONE HAS TAKEN US UP ON THIS.
UM, I HAVEN'T HAD ANY, ANY COMPLAINTS FROM ANY OF THE, UH, MAINTENANCE OPERATORS ABOUT THIS FORM.
UM, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'D LIKE TO HAVE IN PLACE SO THAT IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO COME ON THE AIRFIELD, THERE IS A WAY TO DO IT.
YOU DON'T GET TO USE A CITY HANGAR FOR YOUR MAINTENANCE, UM, TO MAINTAIN AN AIRCRAFT THAT YOU DON'T OWN, UM, THAT YOU ARE DOING FOR A CLIENT WITHOUT PAYING A COMPENSATORY FEE.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT FAIR TO, UM, THE THREE COMPANIES THAT ARE ON THE FIELD THAT ARE DOING MAINTENANCE WORK AND OR AVIONICS.
UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO GET IN PLACE.
AND SO WE'D LIKE TO ADD THAT ON.
PART OF THIS PROCESS WILL BE LOOKING AT OUR, MY RECOMMENDATIONS AND MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE FAIR TO MAKE SURE THEY DO FIT, UM, THE, THE, THE TIME OF WORK.
BUT WE WANNA HAVE THAT AS A, AS A SPECIFIC FEE FOR THAT KIND OF WORK BASED ON SOME OF THE ISSUES WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST.
THERE IS ALSO A GENERAL ONE FOR, THAT COVERS A LOT OF OTHER THINGS, BUT BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF MAINTENANCE WORK AND, AND SOME OF THE AREAS OF, UH, LIABILITY, UM, WE WANTED TO HAVE A SPECIAL SET FEE FOR THAT, LIKE A LOT OF OTHER AIRPORT DO.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL I HAVE ABOUT FEES.
ANY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD TIME TO REVIEW THIS.
UH, WE'RE ZOOMED WEIGH IN ON IT, BUT IF THERE WAS ANY, ANY FEES THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE ON HERE OR ANY FEES THAT NEEDED MORE CLARIFICATION.
UM, BUT THIS IS, THIS IS MOSTLY WHAT WE'LL BE SUBMITTING, UH, AS PART OF OUR PROCESS OF REVIEWING FEES.
AND, UM, AND HOPEFULLY, UH, THROUGH THIS PROCESS WE'LL HAVE A MUCH MORE ACCURATE, UH, UNDERSTANDING OF THE MARKET RATE FOR A LOT OF THESE THINGS.
AND THEN ALSO MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE PUBLISHING EVERY, EVERY POSSIBLE FEE THAT COULD COME UP.
UH, ON THE, UH, COMMERCIAL USE FEES, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE GOT A COMP FOR NAPA.
WAS THAT A 500? IS THAT A MONTHLY FEE'S A MINIMUM FEE? THAT'S A MINIMUM.
THIS IS, THIS IS PART OF THE, THE CHALLENGE IS ALMOST EVERY AIRPORT HANDLES THESE FEES DIFFERENTLY.
SO SOME HAVE A, SOME HAVE A SET FEE, SOME HAVE A MINIMUM FEE, SOME OF 'EM HAVE A FEE THAT LASTS FOR 30 DAYS.
UM, I THINK THERE WAS ONE AIRPORT DOWN SOUTH THAT HAD ONE FOR, IT WAS LIKE, IT WAS SOMETHING LIKE 5,000, BUT IT WAS UP TO 60 DAYS OR SOMETHING.
IT, EVERY AIRPORT IS DIFFERENT.
UM, BUT THE CHALLENGE HAS BEEN TO, UM, AS WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND WE'VE BEEN CHALLENGED BY OUTSIDE ENTITIES, IS TO SHOW THAT WE'RE NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT NEEDS TO CHARGE FEES.
THERE'S A LOT OF AIRPORTS ACROSS CALIFORNIA THAT DO CHARGE FEES.
THE ISSUE IS THAT THEY ALL DO IT DIFFERENTLY,
UM, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S IS APPROACHED IT THE WAY WE HAVE, THE WAY THAT THEY APPROACH IT OFTEN IS A, A BIG HEAVY FEE, BUT YOU GET MORE TIME.
UM, I DON'T LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT, IT TENDS TO EXCLUDE MORE SERVICES.
IF YOU HAVE TO PAY $500 UP FRONT FOR ONE DAY OF WORK OR TWO DAYS OF WORK, THAT DOESN'T REALLY WORK.
UM, BUT ALSO IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO THROW DOWN $500 AND HAVE ACCESS FOR THE WHOLE MONTH EITHER.
BUT I THINK IF WE WERE ABLE TO GET A FEE THAT WAS REALLY BASED ON WHAT DO WE CHARGE FOR COMMERCIAL HANGERS, WHAT IS A REASONABLE FRACTION OF THAT THAT SOMEONE COULD EXPECT TO PAY, I THINK IT'S A MUCH BETTER WAY OF GOING ABOUT IT.
[00:45:01]
SEE.WE'LL SEE WHAT KIND OF, UM, FEEDBACK WE GET FROM THAT.
UM, THERE ARE NO OTHER THINGS ABOUT THE, UM, FEE STUDY.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UM, THE, UH, TEMPORARY ACCESS REQUEST, UH, WEB FORM
SO WE'VE, WE'VE RECEIVED, UM, JUST RIGHT UP THE TOP, WE'VE RECEIVED SIX REQUESTS OVER THE LAST WEEK, LAST BE HONEST, LIKE FOUR DAYS.
UM, WE DON'T GET A LOT OF THESE REQUESTS IN GENERAL.
WE GET ABOUT, I THINK WE'VE ONLY BEEN DEALING WITH EIGHT OR NINE DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVEVE REQUESTED ACCESS OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS.
SO JUST TO PUT THIS IN PERSPECTIVE, WE DON'T GET A LOT OF REQUESTS.
UM, THE SIX, UH, INDIVIDUALS THAT PUT THOSE REQUESTS IN OVER THE LAST FOUR DAYS ARE ALL THE SAME PEOPLE.
LIKE OTHER THAN ONE, I THINK ONE WAS NEW.
UM, SO JUST TO PUT THAT, JUST SO WE WERE THE SAME UNDERSTANDING THERE, THIS IS NOT A MASSIVE DEMAND THAT WE'RE, THAT WE WEREN'T FILLING.
UM, WE'VE RESPONDED TO ALMOST EVERY THAT I, EVERYONE THAT I'VE, UH, THAT I KNOW HAS REQUESTED SOMETHING OVER TIME WITH OUR EMAIL.
THE PROBLEM WITH EMAIL THOUGH, IS THE REQUESTS WE GET, WE DON'T EVEN GET THE PERSON'S FULL NAME.
SOMETIMES WE JUST GET A FIRST NAME OR WE, THE DATES AREN'T IS EASY.
WE HAVE TO ASK FOR CLARIFICATION.
UM, WE DON'T KNOW A LOT ABOUT THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE REQUESTS.
SO PART OF THE PURPOSE OF THIS FORM WAS TO CAPTURE NOT ONLY THE UNLICENSED AIRCRAFT REQUESTS WE WERE GETTING, UM, WITH PROVIDING US WITH MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THEM, BUT ALSO TO CAPTURE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE, WE'VE KINDA HAD FLOATING OUT THERE FOR A WHILE.
WE GET BANNER TOW OPERATOR, WE HAVE A COUPLE BANNER TOW OPERATORS, UM, THAT OPERATE OUT OF THE AIRPORT OCCASIONALLY, MAYBE ONCE A MONTH OR ONCE EVERY OTHER MONTH.
UM, WE, THERE'S JUST SOME, THERE ARE SOME RANDOM REQUESTS WE DO GET.
SO THE THOUGHT WAS, WELL, WHILE WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE A BETTER CONDUIT FOR THE UNLICENSED AIRCRAFT, WHY DON'T WE TRY TO CAPTURE EVERYTHING THAT'S NON TENANTED? AND THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THIS, THIS FORM.
SO, UM, FOR TENANTS, CALL US UP, SHOOT US AN EMAIL, TEXT ME.
WE'RE, WE'RE VERY INFORMAL WHEN IT COMES TO TENANTS REQUESTING CODES FOR, FOR VARIOUS REASONS.
WE DON'T GET A LOT OF REQUESTS FOR THOSE, BUT SOMETIMES TENANTS NEED EXTRA ACCESS FOR THEIR GUESTS OR FOR DELIVERIES OR WHATNOT.
BUT FOR NON TENANTS THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE SET THIS UP, IT'S ALL NON TENANT BASED.
UM, I KNOW THE CAT, THE CATEGORY HEADINGS PROBABLY NEED A LITTLE BIT OF DEVELOPMENT.
THIS CAME TOGETHER VERY QUICKLY.
UM, I'M DEFINITELY OPEN TO ANY SUGGESTIONS YOU CAN MAKE OF NOW OR SEND ME AN EMAIL.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, WE GET A LOT, WE DO GET REQUESTS FROM IN ADVANCE SOMETIMES FROM JET CHARTER COMPANIES.
WE GET REQUESTS FROM JUST, UM, SOMEONE FLYING IN FOR THE WEEKEND, WANNA USE THEIR, LEAVE THEIR AIRPLANE, BUT THEY NEED A CODE IN ADVANCE.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THOSE WERE CAPTURED.
SO THAT WAS THE IDEA BEHIND THE FORM IS CAPTURE THE, NOW THEY ARE CONDITIONAL.
SO DEPENDING ON WHAT CATEGORY YOU SELECT CHANGES, CHANGES, THE, UM, THE FORM.
UH, ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHANGES IS THAT AS, AS ONE OF THE COMMISSIONS ALREADY AMENDED MENTIONED, WE DO LIMIT UNLICENSED AIRCRAFT TO TWO REQUESTS BASICALLY PER WEEK.
NOT, YOU CAN'T MAKE MORE THAN ONE REQUEST, BUT YOU ONLY, YOU CAN ONLY REQUEST TWO DAYS OUT OF A CALENDAR WEEK FOR ACCESS.
SO WE'RE NOT GONNA GIVE YOU SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU TWO, TWO DAYS OUTTA THE WEEK.
NOW THAT PROVIDES QUITE A BIT OF ACCESS BECAUSE WE'VE, WE'VE NEVER RECEIVED, OTHER THAN ONE INDIVIDUAL, WE'VE NEVER RECEIVED A REQUEST FOR MORE THAN THREE DAYS.
SOMETIMES PEOPLE WANT FRIDAY, SATURDAY, SUNDAY, OR TYPICALLY WE GET EITHER A FRIDAY, SATURDAY OR A SATURDAY SUNDAY REQUEST, TWO DAYS OF ACCESS.
UM, SO BASED ON DEMAND, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE WENT WITH THE TWO DAYS MORE THAN THAT.
IT, IT STARTS TO, TO PUT US IN THE POSITION OF THIS PERSON'S NO LONGER A TEMPORARY USER.
SOMEBODY'S IS HERE SEVERAL DAYS A WEEK, EVERY WEEK, PUTS 'EM IN DIFFERENT CATEGORY.
AND, AND I THINK PUTS US IN, UM, A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE TAKING ON MORE LIABILITY THAN WE NEED TO.
SO THIS SEEMED LIKE A REASONABLE, UM, LIMIT BASED ON THE DEMAND WE NORMALLY GET AND WHEN NOR THE NORMAL DEMAND WE GET IS ONE TO TWO DAYS PER CALENDAR WEEK.
AND OFTEN WE DON'T GET A REQUEST FROM THE SAME INDIVIDUAL MORE THAN ONCE, UM, A MONTH OR ONCE EVERY THREE MONTHS.
SO WE DON'T GET A LOT OF DEMAND ON THIS.
SO THIS SEEMED LIKE A GREAT LIMIT TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE TRYING TO GET AS MUCH ACCESS AS POSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE THAT NEEDED ACCESS WITHOUT UN UNDULY LIMITING THEM, BUT ALSO NOT GIVING THEM MORE ACCESS THEY NEEDED.
UM, AND, AND POTENTIALLY PUTTING, UM, THE CITY AND OUR TENANTS, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, UH, YOU TAKE IT ON MORE LIABILITY THAN WE NEED TO.
[00:50:01]
THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE REASONING BEHIND THAT.ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? YEAH, I'VE, I'VE GOT ONE.
UM, GIVEN THE MULTITUDE OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF TEMPORARY USERS OF THE AIRPORT AND WANTING ACCESS, IF SOMEONE WAS TO COME IN FOR A DAY, DO AERIAL SURVEY OR BANNER TOW OR WHATEVER, UM, WHERE IS THE CITY POLICY THAT DEFINES SHOULD AN INCIDENT OCCUR? WHAT INSURANCE COVERAGE WOULD TAKE HOLD AND THE LIKE, BECAUSE I KNOW IF YOU'RE A FULL-TIME TENANT, OBVIOUSLY WE NEED A CERTIFICATE OF INSURANCE COPY WITH THE CITY FOR LIABILITY.
BUT IF THESE ARE TEMPORARY PEOPLE, HOW DOES THAT WORK? IN ALMOST EVERY CASE, UM, IF IT'S SOMETHING LIKE A SURVEY, UH, THEY ARE AT THE AIRPORT FOR MORE THAN A DAY.
THEY'RE GONNA BE AT THE AIRPORT FOR TWO, THREE, AS MANY, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE WEEKS.
UH, AND ALMOST EVERY INSTANCE WE GET AN INSURANCE CERTIFICATE FROM THEM, UH, FOR, FOR 1 MILLION.
THAT'S BEEN THE, WHAT WE TEND TO GET.
NOW, IF THEIR ACTIVITY RE RAISES TO SOME OTHER LEVEL AND, AND THERE'S MORE RISK, WE'D PROBABLY ASK FOR MORE.
BUT IN GENERAL, HAVING AN AIRCRAFT AT THE, AT THE AIRPORT FOR THAT AMOUNT OF TIME OPERATING OUTTA THE AIRPORT, UM, WE USUALLY ASK FOR, UM, WE HAVE TWO THAT I CAN THINK OF JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
WE HAVE TWO OPERATORS THAT, THAT WERE IN THAT POSITION.
ONE WAS DOING A, UM, A CONTRACT FOR PG E DOING REPLACEMENT, UH, FOR, UH, HIGH POWER LINES.
UM, WE, WE GOT A CERTIFICATE FROM THEM.
UM, THEY ALSO BOUGHT A LOT OF FUEL FROM, FROM THE AIRPORT.
AND THEN ANOTHER ONE WAS DOING AERIAL SURVEY, DOING A TEST IN PETALUMA TO THEN GO UP NORTH, I WANNA SAY ALASKA OR CANADA, TO THEN DO THAT, UH, FOUR O'CLOCK.
BUT THEY'RE JUST THERE FOR A DAY.
THEY WERE THERE FOR LIKE A WEEK.
SO ONE WAS THERE FOR A WEEK, ONE WAS THERE FOR SIX WEEKS.
BUT IF SOMEBODY WERE TO COME IN AND JUST USE IT JUST FOR A DAY, IN MOST CASES, I PROBABLY WOULDN'T ASK FOR INSURANCE JUST BECAUSE OF THE, THE TURNAROUND TIME.
IT USUALLY TAKES AT LEAST A DAY.
SO IF IT'S JUST A DAY USE ONLY, UM, WE PROBABLY JUST ASK WHAT THEY WERE, WHAT THEY WERE DOING.
SO IF, IF IN THAT SITUATION WHERE THERE WAS AN INCIDENT THAT REQUIRED SOME SORT OF INSURANCE COVERAGE, WOULD YOU GO BACK TO THE ENTITY AT THAT POINT? OR DOES THE CITY HAVE A SYSTEM SET UP SO, UM, WHATEVER INSURANCE CLAIMS MIGHT COME UP WOULD BE HANDLED.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FOR, FOR THAT KINDA SITUATION WHERE SOMEONE JUST USE IT FOR ONE DAY.
BUT, UM, IN MOST CASES THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
IF THEY'RE DOING SOME SORT OF COMMERCIAL OPERATION, IT'S ALMOST ALWAYS MORE THAN ONE DAY NOW, JUST WONDERING.
AND JUST TO DIFFERENTIATE, IT'S A COMMERCIAL OPERATOR, BUT THEY'RE NOT OFFERING SERVICES ON THE AIRPORT, THEY'RE DOING WORK FOR SOMEONE OFF AIRPORT.
UH, ONE, ONE THING JUST TO MENTION, WE, WE ARE VERY AWARE OF THE CATEGORIES THAT THE F A A DOES PROTECT.
AND SO WE ARE NOT GOING TO UNNECESSARILY EXCLUDE ANY LICENSED AIRCRAFT DOING LEGAL ACTIVITY.
WE TRY TO MAKE EVERY ACCOMMODATION FOR THAT.
IT'S ONLY AT WHAT POINT THAT ACTIVITY STARTS TO PUT THE AIRPORT AT A POSSIBLE, UM, INCREASED LIABILITY.
THAT'S WHEN WE ASKED FOR, FOR A POLICY TO PAY TO PROJECT US.
DAN, I HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION ON THE INSURANCE.
I DON'T WANNA BELABOR THE POINT, BUT, UM, AND MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING WHERE THE, THE AD HOC COMMITTEE CAN WEIGH IN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE WERE HAVING THE CHALLENGES THAT WE WERE HAVING BEFORE, WAS THAT THERE WERE INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS THAT WERE BEING EXPECTED TO BE UPHELD THAT WE'RE GETTING PUSHED BACK ON.
MAYBE I'M, MAYBE I'M MISREMEMBERING THERE, BUT I I I'M NOT SURE THAT JUST BECAUSE IT'S ONLY A DAY THAT THAT MEANS THEY SHOULD BE ABSOLVED OF HAVING THE REQUIRED INSURANCE.
SO I I WOULD, THAT WAS ONE OF MY TWO COMMENTS ON THE FORM.
UM, OTHER THAN JUST THAT, I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT YOU GOT THIS PUT TOGETHER SO QUICKLY, BUT, UM, I THINK HAVING A PLACE IN THAT FORM WHERE YOU COULD UPLOAD YOUR CERTIFICATE OF INSURANCE OR WHERE YOU COULD JUST HAVE THAT ON FILE WITH THE AIRPORT IF YOU'RE GONNA BE MAKING MULTIPLE REQUESTS, I THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE A CONSISTENT REQUIREMENT THAT'S APPLIED TO EVERYONE THAT HAS ACCESS TO THE AIRPORT, REGARDLESS OF THE DURATION OF THEIR USE OF THE FIELD.
UM, RIGHT NOW, ESSENTIALLY THE FORM IS THE FIRST STEP, RIGHT? FOR SOME PEOPLE IT'S THE ONLY STEP IF YOU JUST NEED ACCESS FOR A DAY TO, TO FLY YOUR, YOUR ALTER LIGHT, SO BE IT.
UM, FOR SOMETHING ELSE, UM, FOR A COMMERCIAL OPERATOR, LIKE, WHICH WAS ONE OF THE OPTIONS THAT LAUNCHES, A SERIES OF EMAILS ARE GONNA GO BACK AND FORTH.
SO WE DON'T HAVE A PROCESS FOR THAT.
WE DO HAVE SYSTEMS WITHIN THE CITY TO DO THAT.
WE HAVE A PERMANENT SYSTEM TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
WE COULD SET THAT UP EVENTUALLY, BUT AT THIS POINT THERE IS, SO I JUST WANT TO BRING UP AGAIN, THERE IS SO LITTLE DEMAND FOR THIS THAT WE CAN'T JUSTIFY A SYSTEM NECESSARILY TO ADDRESS EVERY SINGLE ONE OF
[00:55:01]
THESE.NO, I, I, SO THAT'S WHERE IT'S THE KINDA THE FIRST STEP.
NO, I, AND IT'S A, IT'S A FANTASTIC FIRST STEP.
UM, MY, MY CONCERN IS THAT CONSISTENT REQUIREMENTS ARE BEING APPLIED.
IT DOESN'T MATTER REALLY WHY YOU'RE FLYING AT THE AIRPORT, YOU'RE STILL JUST AS LIKELY AS ANYBODY ELSE POTENTIALLY TO HAVE AN INCIDENT TO TAKE OUT ANOTHER HANGER.
AND ESPECIALLY IN THE CASE OF IT BEING AN INDIVIDUAL THAT MAY BE DOING THIS RECREATIONALLY, WE HAVE NO GUARANTEE THAT THEY HAVE THE ASSETS TO COVER A SIGNIFICANT CLAIM.
SO IT COULD BE A COMPLETE FOOL'S ERRAND FOR YOU OR ANYONE ELSE IN THE CITY TO TRY TO GO AFTER THAT INDIVIDUAL, EVEN IF YOU HAD ALL THEIR INFORMATION.
SO I JUST, I KNOW THIS IS AN EVOLUTIONARY PROCESS.
BUT I THINK CONSISTENCY AND REQUIREMENTS AND HAVING A MEANS WHERE, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WEBSITE DEVELOPER YOU'RE USING, BUT YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE A FORM THAT'S ALSO JUST LIKE UPLOADS A CERTIFICATE OF INSURANCE.
AND JUST TAKE CARE OF THAT IN THE REQUEST WITH ZERO ADDITIONAL EFFORT FOR YOU LONG TERM.
SO I, I JUST THINK THAT AS WE CONTINUE TO MATURE THIS, HAVING CONSISTENT REQUIREMENTS REGARDLESS OF THE DURATION OF YOUR, OF YOUR USE, UM, IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER.
UM, AND ANOTHER MUCH MORE MINOR POINT ON THE FORM, I WAS MESSING AROUND WITH THE CONDITIONALS AND THAT'S GREAT.
UM, I COULDN'T GET THE COMMERCIAL, THE COMPANY NAME TO TURN OFF, WHICH FOR SOME OF OUR, UH, USERS MAY BE AN ISSUE.
SO IF THEY CAN JUST PUT NA IN IT, THAT'S FINE AND TRY TO FILL IT OUT.
BUT WE MAY WANNA LOOK AT, AT THAT LOGIC FOR THE COMMERCIAL, IF IT'S COMMERCIAL THOUGH, THERE, THERE HAS TO BE AN, UH, AN L L C OR NO, I KNOW, BUT FOR THE, LIKE IF I'M JUST WANNA BRING MY OWN PRIVATE AIRPLANE ONTO THE FIELD.
I WOULD'VE JUST PUT NA HAD I BEEN DOING IT, BUT IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING YOU, THANK YOU FOR THE QC THAT'S YEAH.
NO, IT'S, IT'S JUST THE FIRST YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
UM, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PREDICTIVE ACTIVITY AND NON-PRODUCTIVE ACTIVITY.
SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE'RE NOT LIMITING FLIGHT OF REGISTERED AIRCRAFT.
UM, SO THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE GONNA BE VERY DIFFERENT.
UM, WE APPROACH THOSE VERY DIFFERENTLY THAN SOMEONE WHO IS JUST LOOKING FOR ACCESS.
WITH, WITH THAT, WE RESERVE THE RIGHT TO REFUSE SERVICE TO A, TO A NON-LICENSED AIRCRAFT.
WE'VE WRITTEN IT INTO TITLE, TITLE 16.
UM, I'M HOPING WE DON'T HAVE TO GET TO THAT POINT.
I, I AM A FAN OF MAKING THINGS AS ACCESSIBLE AS POSSIBLE.
I LIKED IT TO REMAIN THAT WAY.
WERE WE TO HAVE SECURITY OR SAFETY ISSUES WITH ONE INDIVIDUAL OR SEVERAL INDIVIDUALS, WE MIGHT CHANGE THAT.
WE MIGHT JUST SHUT THAT OFF AND WE CAN DO THAT.
I DON'T WANT TO DO IT UNLESS I HAVE A REASON TO.
'CAUSE I'M GONNA HAVE TO GIVE A REASON.
WE NEED A REASON BEFORE WE DO THAT.
AT THIS TIME, I DON'T HAVE ONE.
PEOPLE HAVE BEEN OBEYING THE RULES.
I HAVEN'T HAD ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT ANY, UM, NON-LICENSED AIRCRAFT.
SO UNTIL THERE'S A PROBLEM, YOU KNOW, I THINK, I THINK IT, IT'S GOOD TO, TO TRY TO, TO MAKE IT AS OPEN AS POSSIBLE.
HOWEVER, WE DO RE RESERVE THE RIGHT, IF AT SOME POINT IT BECOMES A LIABILITY ISSUE, ABSOLUTELY.
AS LONG AS IT'S NOT ALREADY TOO LATE, BY THE TIME IT BECOMES A LIABILITY ISSUE.
JUST SOMETHING TO, I'M NOT TRYING TO GIVE YOU A TON MORE WORK SURE.
BUT JUST TRYING TO BE CAUTIOUS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? I KNOW I JUST KIND OF TRIED TO SUMMARIZE IT.
UM, IN, IN THE MANAGER REPORT THEY PUBLISHED, UM, KIND OF WHY WE HAD SOME OF THE LIMITS, THE CATEGORIES, UM, AND THEN WHERE IT'S LOCATED ON THE WEBSITE.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT FORM OR ACCESS BEFORE WE MOVE ON? I GUESS I DO, I GETTING INTO THE, THE TWO DAYS FOR THE NON-LICENSED, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THINKING, SO I, I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE SAYING THAT IF YOU ASK HIM FOR DAYS AND WEEKS AND WEEKS AND WEEKS, YOU'RE NO LONGER A TEMPORARY, BUT A PERMANENT USER.
UM, AND, AND I, I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE GOING, BUT IT MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DEFINE INSTEAD OF SAYING, YOU KNOW, ONLY TWO DAYS THAT IF YOU'RE REQUESTING MORE THAN X DAYS PER MONTH OR IN A CALENDAR YEAR, WHATEVER WE WANT TO CALL IT, AS OPPOSED TO LIMITING JUST THE SPECIFIC DAYS THAT AT THAT POINT THAT IT, IT CLICKS IN AND YOU BECOME NO LONGER, IT BECOMES TEMPORARY.
THIS IS A PERMANENT, YOUR REQUEST THEN BECOME PERMANENT BECAUSE THEN IT, IT LOOKS A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST ON THE SURFACE, JUST A LITTLE DISCRIMINATORY JUST TOWARDS THAT.
AND, AND I KNOW THAT'S NOT THE INTENT, BUT IF WE, I'M THINKING IF WE DEFINE, AND I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'RE DOING IT, BUT I THINK IF WE, INSTEAD OF WE LIMITING 'EM, SAYING YOU CAN ONLY HAVE TWO DAYS, WE, IF WE SAY, UM, YOU KNOW, GREATER THAN 15 DAYS, WHATEVER IT IS, 15 DAYS PER MONTH OR 15, SO A HUNDRED, AND I'M TRYING TO DO MATH REAL FAST, 180 WHATEVER, 180
[01:00:01]
CALENDAR DAYS PER YEAR BECOMES A PERMANENT, YOU BECOMES A PERMANENT REQUEST.AND REQUIREMENTS ARE DIFFERENT.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS FOR TEMPORARY, TEMPORARY USE AT A RATE LESS THAN X PER PER MONTH.
AND THAT WAY WE'RE NOT LIMITING IT PER WEEK.
AND LOOKING AT THE BROADER PICTURE YEAH.
WE, WE RESERVE THE RIGHT TO CHANGE IT.
UM, AND WE MAY HAVE TO, BUT, UH, SO EXAMPLE OF KIND OF THE FLEXIBILITY IS WE GOT A REQUEST FOR THREE DAYS.
IT WAS BASICALLY A WEEKEND STARTING FRIDAY, FRIDAY, SATURDAY, SUNDAY.
WE PROBLEM SUNDAY'S THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK.
FRIDAY, SATURDAY, THAT'S THE OTHER WEEK.
SO THEY, SO FAR THEY ONLY HAVE THREE REQUESTS, THREE REQUESTS FOR THE WHOLE A MONTH.
THEY, THEY'RE WITHIN THE PARAMETERS.
EVERY SINGLE REQUEST OTHER THAN ONE INDIVIDUAL HAS ALWAYS BEEN WITHIN THESE TWO DAYS.
SO I GUESS THAT'S THE THING IS WE CAN, WE CAN FIX THAT WHEN WE GET TO IT.
BUT AT THIS TIME, I THINK WE'RE MEETING THE DEMAND.
I GET A LOT OF THANKS VIA EMAIL THAT NO ONE GETS TO SEE.
UM, WE GET GRATITUDE, UM, WE GET COOPERATION AND UM, THE REQUESTS HAVE BEEN, LIKE I SAID, WE MAY GET ONE REQUEST PER MONTH OR ONE, I WENT BACK AND LOOKED, WE HADN'T GOT ONE FROM ONE OF THE INDIVIDUALS FOR THREE MONTHS.
UM, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO TRY TO ABUSE THE SYSTEM, THEN THAT, WE'LL, WE'LL DEAL WITH THAT ON A ONE ON ONE BASIS.
WELL, YOU TALK, SOMEBODY'S ABUSING THE SYSTEM AND THAT'S WHY IF YOU PUT YOU, YOU DEFINE WHAT THE LIMITS ARE AND, AND, AND WHEN IT BECOMES FROM A CASUAL USER, IF YOU WILL, TO A PERMANENT, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY DIFFERENT RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT APPLY AS A PERMANENT, THAT'S, AND THEN, AND I GUESS THE OTHER QUESTION, SO IF THEY SUBMIT, IF I SUBMIT A REQUEST TODAY, LET'S SAY IT WAS WITHIN THE TWO BUSINESS DAYS TO USE IT FOR SATURDAY AND SUNDAY.
DO DO THOSE THEN WHEN CAN I SUBMIT THE, THE REQUEST FOR SAY I WANT MONDAY AS WELL? CAN THAT BE IN A SEPARATE REQUEST AT THE SAME TIME OR? YEAH, WE HAVEN'T PUT RESTRICTIONS ON THAT.
I WOULD SAY JUST PUT A FORM IN, JUST SEND FORMIN AND THEN WE'D BE HAPPY TO DO IT IN ADVANCE.
UM, I DON'T, I HAVEN'T ANY TROUBLE DOING IT THREE DAYS IN ADVANCE AS LONG AS IT MEETS THOSE SAME PARAMETERS.
UM, SO I I THINK IT'S, WE'RE FLEXIBLE ON THAT POINT.
UM, OBVIOUSLY WE'LL HAVE TO ADD, I I TRY TO MAKE IT AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE.
WE CAN, WE CAN ALWAYS ADD MORE REQUIREMENTS IN THE FUTURE.
TRY TO MAKE IT AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE WITHOUT HAVING TO LIKE, MAKE A WHOLE POLICY DOCUMENT
WELL, NO, NO, I'M, I'M, I'M ALL FOR THAT.
BUT THE OTHER PART IS I'M ALSO TRYING TO BE REALISTIC AND I DON'T KNOW WHO GETS THE EMAIL WHEN IT, THE FORM IS SUBMITTED, WHETHER IT'S GOING TO YOU OR, UM, CLAUDIA YEAH.
BUT TO LIMIT AGAIN, IF IT GETS POPULAR
IT'S JUST TO, TO LIMIT THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER OF EMAILS, JUST THINKING OF YOU GUYS PROTECTING YOU.
AT THIS TIME IT'S NOT A HEAVY WORKLOAD.
UM, AND IF WE CAME TO THAT POINT SURE.
BUT YEAH, THE, THE ANDREW MAKES THE FINAL DECISION ON ANY OF 'EM.
BUT I CAN SAY THAT CROSS THE LAST YEAR, WE'VE, WE'VE MADE ALL ACCESS DECISIONS EQUALLY WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
UM, IF WE GET, IF WE SEND OUT A RESPONSE AND WE GET THE SAME REQUEST AGAIN, WE SOMETIMES WILL SEND A SECOND SAYING, READ THE FIRST EMAIL.
THE, IF WE KEEP GETTING BARRAGED WITH THE SAME REQUEST, WE'RE WE'RE NOT GONNA RESPOND.
YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, WE DO NOT HAVE TIME TO RESPOND TO PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT WORKING WITHIN THE SYSTEM.
BY AND LARGE, EVERYBODY WORKS WITH THE SYSTEM.
I THINK THIS IS A GREAT START.
'CAUSE THERE'S NOW SOME DEFINED PARAMETERS WHICH KIND OF TAKES YOU OUT OF SURE.
THE EQUATION TO AN EXTENT, TO DEPERSONALIZES EVERYTHING, WHICH IS GREAT.
SO I, I, I'M, I'M REALLY PLEASED WITH THAT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE AS WELL.
AND THERE'S, THERE'S A, THE PROCEDURE THAT PEOPLE CAN LOOK AT AND SEE WHAT IT'S MEAN.
WE GOTTA TWEAK IT A LITTLE BIT AS WE TALKED ABOUT.
SO YOU KNOW, JEFF, AND I'LL PROBABLY GET BACK TOGETHER.
I CREDIT THE COMMISSION FOR THAT, THAT REQUEST THAT CAME DIRECTLY FROM THE COMMISSION FOR A PROCESS OR POLICY.
AND, AND WE MET THAT AND I THINK IT'S GREAT.
NO, IT'S, I, WHEN YOU, I GOT THE, YOU COPY ME ON THE EMAIL AND I THOUGHT I WAS, I WAS, UH, I WAS IMPRESSED AND, AND VERY PLEASED WITH WHAT YOU DID.
YOU KNOW, I COMMEND YOU FOR IT.
AND I JUST WANNA SAY THE SAME.
I MEAN, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR.
JUST TAKE THE AMBIGUITY OUT OF IT.
AND IT'S NOT JUST FOR THIS, BUT LIKE WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT, JUST ANY GUESTS, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S FOR BANNER TOE FOR ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT WERE MENTIONED.
SO IT, IT COVERS A WHOLE WIDE VARIETY OF THINGS, WHICH IS GOOD.
UM, BUT I WOULD ALSO ECHO MARCUS'S COMMENTS ON THAT AS WELL.
THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TEMPORARY NATURE OF IT, WHETHER IT'S, IF IT'S TWO DAYS A WEEK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY EIGHT DAYS A MONTH VERSUS SAY SOMEONE THAT WANTED TO DO FOUR DAYS IN ONE WEEK, UH, YOU KNOW, IS THERE A DIFFERENCE IN TEMPORARY NATURE? YOU KNOW? SO I THINK, YOU
[01:05:01]
KNOW, I I DEFINITELY WOULD BE IN FAVOR A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY THERE IF SOMEONE WANTED, LIKE YOU SAID, FRIDAY, SATURDAY, SUNDAY, UH, AND THEN THE ABILITY TO, YOU KNOW, REQUEST MORE AFTER THAT.UH, YOU KNOW, IF WE NEED TO DEFINE WHAT, WHEN SOMETHING BECOMES PERMANENT VERSUS TEMPORARY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE WHOLE SEPARATE ISSUE.
BUT, UM, YEAH, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE SOME FLEXIBILITY THERE AND SEE HOW IT GOES.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A WHOLE MONTH TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS NOW, SO IF ANYBODY WANTS TO BRING ANY COMMENTS FORWARD TO THE NEXT MEETING AFTER WE HAVE A MONTH OR MONTH AND A HALF, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALREADY BEEN UP FOR ABOUT A WEEK OR SO.
UM, THEN TO BRING 'EM FORWARD.
UH, MOVING ON TO JUST THE PROJECTS, UM, WE ARE PRETTY MUCH CONSIDERING THE, LIKE I MENTIONED, THE AIR AIRCRAFT PARKING APRON AND REHABILITATION IS COMPLETE.
UM, THE FINAL DOCUMENTS WILL BE PROVIDED TO COUNCIL, UH, FOR FINAL PAYMENT TO THE CONTRACTOR.
UM, WE, UM, WE'LL UPDATE, WE, WE DID FINALIZE AGREEMENT FOR DESIGN SERVICES FOR BOTH TAXIWAY ALPHA AND TAXI LANE BRAVO.
UH, AND SO WE WILL BE MOVING FORWARD THE DESIGN FOR BOTH OF THOSE TO MAKE THOSE, UM, UH, SHOVEL READY.
UM, PROBABLY IN THE NEXT, UH, WITHIN THE NEXT 12 MONTHS.
UH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO GET BOTH OF THOSE TAX TAXIWAY PROJECTS DONE IN, UM, FISCAL YEAR 2026 IS THE GOAL, UM, UPDATE ON 18 C.
THE DOOR IS DOWN, IF YOU HADN'T ALREADY HEARD THE GRAPEVINE.
UM, WE ARE VERY HAPPY WITH THAT.
IT HELPS US WEATHERIZE THAT, THAT BROKEN DOOR.
SO EVEN THOUGH WE, WE STILL NEED TO REPLACE THE DOOR, THE DOOR IS DOWN, UM, IT IS SECURE, IT IS SAFE, AND IT'S GONNA KEEP OUT THE WATER UNTIL WE CAN, UH, PUT ANOTHER DOOR UP.
THE CURRENT TENANT OF THAT HANGAR IS, IS OKAY WITH THAT.
EVERYTHING THEY NEED TO DO, THEY CAN GET THROUGH THE OTHER DOOR, THE, THE, THE PEDESTRIAN DOOR FOR THAT HANGAR.
UM, AND IN THE MEANTIME THEY'RE USING, UM, UH, 18 B TEMPORARILY TO MOVE ANY OTHER AIRCRAFT OR LARGE PARTS, UH, THAT THEY NEED.
UM, SO, SO THAT TENANT IS HAPPY.
AS SOON AS THAT DOOR IS REPLACED, WE WOULD TAKE OVER, UM, 18 B, GET THAT INTO CONTRACT, HOPEFULLY WITH A COMMERCIAL OPERATOR OR MAYBE AN AIRCRAFT.
BUT THERE IS A COUPLE OF INTERESTED PARTIES, UM, THAT WOULD LIKE, UH, AT AND B, UM, WITH THE, SOME OF THE CHANGES IN THE, UM, RATES AND CHARGES, THE LAST TWO CONTRACTS, WE CHARGE 50% ABOVE STANDARD NON-COMMERCIAL RATE.
SO, UM, IT'S A, IF IT'S A THOUSAND DOLLARS, UH, HANGAR, IT'S GONNA BE A $1,500 HANGAR FOR COMMERCIAL RATE.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'LL WE'VE DONE WITH THE LAST TWO CONTRACTS FOR THE LAST TWO OF THOSE THAT ARE, UH, IN CONTRACT UNDER A COMMERCIAL RATE.
AND WE WOULD HOPEFULLY DO THAT WITH ANOTHER COMPANY IF THERE IS A COMPANY READY TO GO AT THAT TIME.
IF NOT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE OPEN TO YOU AIRCRAFT OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT, UM, USE OF THAT HANGAR.
BUT WE DO HAVE TWO PARTIES THAT ARE INTERESTED IN TAKING THAT OVER AT THIS TIME.
UM, WE HAVE LOOKED INTO A RESTROOM FOR AT B, UH, IT DOES NOT CURRENTLY HAVE ONE.
UM, THERE MIGHT BE SOME OPTIONS FOR PREFAB OR OTHER THINGS, BUT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO BUILD AND OR INSTALL A, A D A ACCESSIBLE RESTROOM NO MATTER THE SIZE.
UM, SO THAT REMAINS A CHALLENGE.
WE'RE WORKING THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT ON THE, THE CALIFORNIA BUILDING CODE RULES, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD LIKE TO GET IN THAT HANGAR.
WE KIND OF COVERED ALL THE OTHER PROJECT ITEMS. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER PROJECT UPDATES.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT PROJECTS? YEAH, ONE THING, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST.
UH, THE CITY WAS WORKING ON UPDATING THE STANDING CONTRACT FOR MEAT HUNT.
I'M JUST WONDERING, DO YOU HAVE AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT STATUS AT THIS TIME? IT LOOKS LIKE THE CITY WOULD NOT LIKE TO HAVE A MASTER CONTRACT, BUT CONTRACT EACH ITEM SEPARATELY.
THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS FOR THAT.
UM, SO WE PROBABLY WON'T SEE THAT KIND OF, UH, ON-CALL.
WE WILL TRY TO GET A, UM, CONSULTING CONTRACT SO THAT WE CAN ADDRESS THE, THE SMALLER THINGS.
UM, SUCH AS THE ANNUAL REVIEW, UH, ASIP REVIEW THAT WE DO WITH THE FA.
A LOT OF THOSE DOCUMENTS AND ALL OF OUR GRANT APPLICATIONS ARE PRODUCED BY OUR CONSULTANT.
THE GRANTS WE'RE BEEN ABLE TO, UH, ACQUIRE, UM, WE'D LIKE TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT, BUT IT'D BE A MUCH SMALLER CONTRACT.
UM, EACH OF THE DESIGN CONTRACTS WOULD BE THEIR OWN CONTRACT.
AND THEN THINGS LIKE THE HANGAR FEASIBILITY STUDY WOULD BE A COMPLETELY SEPARATE CONTRACT.
WE'RE STILL WORKING ON HOW WE GET THAT ONE DONE.
UM, BUT YES, THAT, THAT IS THE INTENT MOVING FORWARD.
DO YOU HAVE A SENSE OF WHEN THAT MIGHT BE
[01:10:01]
READY TO PUT INTO PLACE AND USED? I DON'T.WE WERE VERY SUCCESSFUL WITH THE, THE DESIGN FOR, UH, THE ALPHA BRAVO.
UM, BUT I, I DON'T, THERE MIGHT BE SOME LIMITATIONS TO SOME OF THESE, SO WE'LL KIND OF TAKE 'EM ONE BY ONE.
I I WILL SAY IT WAS, IT TOOK A LOT OF TIME TO GET THAT ONE GOING.
UM, SO WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA KEEP CHECKING FORWARD, BUT YEAH.
UM, PROBABLY SEPARATE CONTRACTS FOR EACH OF THOSE THINGS.
AND, AND THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE.
ARE THEY AWARE THAT WE HAVE AN INTEREST IN LOOKING AT, UH, POSSIBLE FUTURE PROJECTS? YES.
THEY'VE, UH, AS FAR AS THE HANGER FEASIBLE, YEAH.
THEY'VE ALREADY GIVEN US A PROPOSAL, SO WE HAVE THE PROPOSAL, UM, AND THAT CAN BE ATTACHED TO A AGREEMENT AS LONG AS WE CAN.
UM, THERE ARE NO LEGAL LIMITATIONS TO, TO DOING THAT.
SO WE'LL JUST KEEP WORKING AT THAT.
THAT, UH, CONCLUDES MY REPORT.
AND WITH THAT, IF THERE'S ANY LAST QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS? I HAVE, I HAVE ONE SORT OF A MINI ANNOUNCEMENT.
UM, PETALUMA AREA PILOTS ASSOCIATION.
PAPA WILL BE, UH, HAVING OUR LAST DISPLAY DAY, EVENT OF THE YEAR ON OCTOBER 21ST, UM, LAST MONTH WE HAD, UM, OH, LITTLE OVER 150 PEOPLE, UH, VISIT.
WE HAD A FOOD TRUCK THAT WAS THERE THAT, UH, WENT OVER VERY WELL.
THE RESTAURANT TWO NINE OR DINER IS BACK OPEN THAT DREW A LOT OF PEOPLE.
SO ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC, UH, WANT TO COME OUT AND GET UP CLOSE TO AN ACTUAL AIRPLANE, UM, WILL BE AVAILABLE TO DO THAT.
UH, WHEN WE HAD, UH, A GROUP ASSOCIATED WITH THE PETALUMA MOTHERS CLUB COME OUT THE MONTH BEFORE, UH, WE HAD 500 SOME PEOPLE, AND TO SEE THE LITTLE KIDDOS WITH MOMS AND DADS OR GRANDPARENTS, OOHING AND AWING, IT IS JUST THE, THE MOST DELIGHTFUL THING TO BE INVOLVED WITH.
AND SO IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN OUT TO THE AIRPORT, AND IT'S AMAZING WHEN WE MEET AND GREET THE FE, THE VISITORS THAT COME ON THE AIRPORT TO SEE THE DISPLAY, THE VAST MAJORITY, AT LEAST 70% HAD NEVER BEEN TO ONE OF OUR DISPLAYS BEFORE.
SOME PEOPLE CAME AND THEY, WHEN WE INTRODUCED OURSELVES, DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WE HAD AN AIRPORT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GOOD OR BAD, BUT OKAY.
UM, FIRST TIME TO THE AIRPORT IN MOST CASES.
AND THEY SAW THE SIGNS WE HAD UP AND THEY WANTED TO CHECK IT OUT.
AND I DON'T THINK ANYONE WENT AWAY, NOT SMILING AND HAVING HAD A GOOD TIME.
SO ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC, YOU WANT TO COME OUT AND GET UP CLOSE TO AN AIRPLANE AND YOU KNOW, AN AIRPLANE DRIVER, THAT'D BE COOL.
AND SO, YEAH, PLEASE COME TO DISPLAY DAY AND WITH THAT, IT IS NOW SEVEN 15 AND I WILL ADJOURN THE OCTOBER 5TH REPORT, COMMISSION MEETING.