* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE PETALUMA PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 1ST. AND CLERK, CAN YOU PLEASE TAKE ROLE MEYER? HERE. BOND HERE. KAMAR? HERE. GARCIA? HERE. TAR. HERE. QUINT. HERE. KUEN. HERE. EARL? HERE. BARKO. PRESENT. ELLI. HERE. COVER HERE. EWING. FORMBY. HERE. MC LING. HERE. OBEYED HERE. THANK YOU CLERK. UM, JUST SOME UPDATES ON THE AGENDA. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN, UPDATE ITEM ONE TO, UM, AFTER ITEM FIVE SO THAT WE CAN GET THROUGH THE ITEMS WITH THE TREE COMMITTEE AND THEN, UM, THEY CAN BE EXCUSED AFTER ITEM FIVE. AND AT THAT TIME WE'LL TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS. UM, BEFORE WE GO INTO THE ATP UPDATE AND NOW, UH, GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON ITEMS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THAT ARE WITHIN THE COMMITTEE SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION, AND THAT ARE NOT LISTED ON THE CURRENT AGENDA. PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED UP TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON. DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF PERSONS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMITTEE. TIME WILL BE ALLOCATED IN EQUAL SHARES TOTALING NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES. UM, ARE THERE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? THERE WERE NO SPEAKER CARDS. AND ANY COMMENTS RECEIVED PRIOR TO THIS MEETING? THERE WAS NO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT RECEIVED. THANK YOU. THAT CLOSES GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. [PRESENTATIONS] SO NOW WE WILL MOVE TO, UM, THE MARIA DRIVE IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT, UM, AND BJORN WILL, UH, BJORN GRINBERG WILL TAKE US THROUGH THIS ITEM. THANK YOU CHAIR. AND ACTUALLY THIS ONE WILL BE PRESENTED BY KEN IADT, OUR SENIOR TRAFFIC ENGINEER AND PROJECT MANAGER FOR THIS PROJECT. UM, SORRY, KEN, BEAR WITH ME WHILE I PULL UP THE SLIDES FOR YOU. FINE JOB WITH IT. BUT YOU GOT ME. SO YEAH, I, I WAS THINKING THAT THE, UH, OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS WAS UP FIRST. MY APOLOGIES WHEN I SAW ANDREW UP AT THE PODIUM. SO I'M RIFLING THROUGH MY INBOX RIGHT NOW LOOKING FOR THE POWERPOINT . DO YOU WANNA JUST PULL IT FROM THE, UM, MEETING AGENDA OR? SURE. WE CAN DO THAT. YEAH. YEAH. EITHER OR, EITHER OR. IT'S, UH, SORRY, I SHOULD'VE, SHOULD'VE HAD IT. UM, I'VE GOT IT ON MY COMPUTER, BUT I'M NOT HOOKED UP HERE. ALRIGHT. OKAY. SO I'M GOING TO LIKE TO PROVIDE, UM, THANK YOU, UH, CHAIR KUMAR, AND I THINK IT'S CHAIR FORMBY AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS. THANK YOU FOR, UM, LISTENING TO THE MARIA STREET RECYCLED WATER AND PAVEMENT RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT. 'CAUSE I THINK IT PROVIDES, UH, AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE CAN DO. AND WE CERTAINLY WANT TO MAKE, UM, YOU KNOW, REFINEMENTS AND IMPROVEMENTS AS WE MOVE THESE IMPORTANT STREET RECONSTRUCTION PROJECTS FORWARD. SO THIS ONE HAS WORKED REALLY WELL, BRINGING IN THE RECYCLED WATER SYSTEM IN WITH ALL THE PAVEMENT RECONSTRUCTION, AND THEN PUTTING IN THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS. SO [00:05:01] I'M GONNA, UM, GO THROUGH AND TALK ABOUT PROJECT GOALS. THE, UM, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SORRY. SO, PROJECT GOALS, THE OVERVIEW OF BACKGROUND, UM, THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE MAKING AND THE EXTENSIVE PUBLIC OUTREACH THAT'S BEEN DONE. AND THEN I WELCOME YOUR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS ON IT. SO, OOPS. ALL RIGHT. SO, PROJECT GOALS. SO WE WANT TO INSTALL THE RECYCLED WATER SYSTEM GOING TO LUCCHESE. SO WE'VE GOT IT COMING OFF OF SONOMA MOUNTAIN PARKWAY, GOING TO RAINIER. THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE. AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF LANDSCAPE ASSESSMENT DISTRICTS THAT ARE SUPPLIED BY THAT. WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE THAT TO SERVE SCHOOLS AND THE LUCCHESE PARK. UM, AND THEN WE WANT TO RESTORE THE PAVEMENT. SO, YOU KNOW, THE CHALLENGES WITH PAVEMENT AND PETALUMA, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT POOR PAVEMENT BECAUSE OF THE EXPANSE OF ADOBE CLAYS, BECAUSE OF POOR DESIGN, FRANKLY. UM, DESIGN DEFICIENCIES AND THEN LACK OF MAINTENANCE. SO WE'RE GONNA TAKE CARE OF THE PAVEMENT AND THEN WE'RE GONNA IMPLEMENT SAFETY MEASURES. AND I, I LOOK AT THAT AS BEING THE ACT OF TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IMPROVING THE SAFETY AND ACCESSIBILITY WITH THIS WORK IS, IS VERY IMPORTANT. AND I'VE DONE A NUMBER OF, UM, THINGS THAT, THAT I THINK ARE, ARE REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT WE CAN DO ON OTHER PROJECTS WHERE WE COMBINE THE UTILITY AND THE PAVEMENT WORK. AND THE CITY PUTS A FOCUS ON MAKING SURE THAT WHATEVER UTILITY WORK IS DONE, WE DO THAT FIRST. AND THEN WE GET IN WITH THE PAVEMENT RECONSTRUCTION. SO WE'VE GOT A NUMBER OF SCHOOLS IN THIS AREA THAT WE CAN, WE CAN SERVE. THIS IS A CONNECTOR ROADWAY MARIA DRIVE IS. SO WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO, TO GO IN AND IMPROVE THE SAFETY FOR PEDESTRIANS, UM, BICYCLISTS THERE. IT'S ALSO A TRANSIT ROUTE. UM, AND THEN WE WANT TO IMPROVE THE PARK ACCESS. SO ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT'S COMING ON, UM, AFTER THIS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE, THE BROADER PLANNING THAT THE CITY HAS IS A SKATE PARK. SO WE WANT TO GET THIS WORK DONE. THE SKATE PARK WILL BE COMING IN THERE. UM, SO LOOKING AT THE LOCATION WE'VE GOT, IT'S ONE JUST OVER ONE MILE, AND IT GOES FROM RAINIER THROUGH TO, UM, SOUTH, SOUTH MCDOWELL. THERE. IT'S A CONNECTOR ROADWAY. THIS, THIS FIGURE ACTUALLY, IT SHOWS THE, THE PARKS. WE'VE GOT THREE PARKS, UM, BOND LUCCHESE, AND THEN DROPPING DOWN TO MCNAIR. AND THEN WE'VE GOT SCHOOLS, UM, UH, ALONG THAT, UM, MCDOWELL. YEP. AND MCDOWELL. YEAH, I'M SORRY. UM, I SAID MCNAIR MCDOWELL. UM, SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S A VERY, UM, VIABLE CONNECTOR. THE OTHER PART OF THIS FROM AN ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION IS THAT WE GET PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM THE, UH, THE FAIRGROUNDS AREA ACROSS THE MCKINSEY, OVERCROSSING, GET 'EM ONTO MARIA, AND THEN YOU CAN GET ALL THE WAY OVER TO THE SUR, YOU KNOW, SANTA ROSA, JC, YOU GOT, GOT REALLY GOOD CONNECTIVITY, UM, WITH THIS PROJECT. SO, ALL RIGHT, NEW PAVEMENT. UM, THIS IS THE BULK OF THE WORK. SO, AND WE'RE DOING THE, YOU KNOW, THE PROPER DESIGN HAS BEEN DONE WHERE WE GO IN, WE DO A LYME TREATMENT AND, AND TO ADDRESS THE EXPANSIVE SOILS, UM, ONCE ALL THAT WORK IS DONE, AND THAT'S THE BIGGEST PART OF THIS AND BIGGEST COST ITEM. AND, AND IT'S, IT'S NOT VERY GLAMOROUS, BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S WHERE WE ARE IN PETALUMA VALLEY, IT'S HOW WE, HOW WE TREAT OUR SUBSURFACE FOR OUR ROADS. WE'RE GONNA, UM, I'VE GOT A PICTURE HERE OF THE, THE, UM, THE PAVEMENT DIPS THAT WE HAVE OVER AT LAUREN AND MADISON AND THOSE PAVEMENT DIPS. UM, THEY REALLY JUST NEED PROPER MARKINGS AND SIGNAGE. UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE, GET RID OF THE PAVEMENT DIPS. WELL, THEY'RE TRAFFIC CALMING. YOU NEED TO SLOW DOWN AND YOU GO THROUGH THAT. SO, AND THE, THE OVERALL STREET HYDRAULICS, THE WAY WATER FLOWS WITHIN THE STREET IS PROBLEMATIC IN THIS AREA. AND IT'S HARD TO, TO CHANGE THE GRADES UNLESS THERE'S REAL EXTENSIVE WORK. SO IT, IT, THAT PART OF IT GOES INTO THE DESIGN PROCESS. SO WE'RE IMPROVING THE ROADWAY, UM, UH, ROADWAY AND SIGNAGE MARKINGS. WE'RE NARROWING THE LANES. WE'RE PUTTING IN MORE EXTENSIVE MARKINGS FOR PEDESTRIANS. UM, WE'RE IMPROVING THE SIGNALS, PARTICULARLY AT EAST WASHINGTON, WHICH HAS SOME OF THE HIGHEST CRASH STATISTICS ON THIS CORRIDOR. ACTUALLY, IT'S THE PRIMARY PLACE, UM, FOR THE CRASH DATA THAT SHOWS THERE. AND THEN AGAIN, IMPROVING [00:10:01] THE LUCCHESE PARK AND LOMA VISTA ACCESS THERE. SO, ALL RIGHT, ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS. SO WE HAVE OVER 40, UM, 80 DA CURB RAMPS. WE'RE CLOSING SOME SIDEWALK GAP CLOSURES. WE'RE TAKING CARE OF AREAS WHERE THE SIDEWALK HAS HAS CRACKED. WE'VE GOT TRIP, TRIP, FALL HAZARDS. WE'RE ALSO IMPROVING THE ACCESS ON TWO KEY TRAILS, SO LYNCH CREEK TRAIL, AND THEN ALSO THE WASHINGTON CREEK TRAIL. AND I, UM, I, I SEE, YOU KNOW, PETALUMA JUST HAS ALL THESE WONDERFUL DRAINAGE ACCESSES AND, AND WE'RE GONNA BE IMPROVING THAT. AND WASHINGTON CREEK IS ONE. YOU CAN GO FROM THERE. YOU CAN HEAD ALL THE WAY UP TO PRINCE PARK AND THE, AND THE AIRPORT AREA THERE. AND WE'RE ALSO, WE'RE GONNA BE DOING BIKE LANES. UM, THE WIDTH VARIES. UM, IT GETS DOWN BELOW 40 FEET IN CURB TO CURB WIDTH. SO WE CAN'T HAVE BIKE LANES EVERYWHERE ON IT, UM, WITHOUT TAKING AWAY PARKING. BUT WE WILL HAVE BIKE LANES FROM RAINER TO MONROE. SO ON, UH, SOME OF THE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, AGAIN, REP, YOU KNOW, REPLACE DAMAGED SIDEWALK. UM, WE'RE GONNA BE INSTALLING RECTANGULAR RAPID FLASHING BEACONS AT PLACES. SO THIS IS WHAT YOU'D SEE ON WASHINGTON, UM, TO, TO SIGNAL THAT THERE'S A PEDESTRIAN, UM, COMING IN THERE. WE'VE GOT ALSO A QUICK BUILD EL UM, ELEMENT, PARTICULARLY AT PARK STREET, WHERE THE PEDESTRIAN HAS, HAS A SHORTER CROSSING DISTANCE AND IS MORE VISIBLE TO, TO DRIVERS. UM, THERE'S, UM, ADA COMPLIANCE STREET CORNERS, AGAIN, OVER 40 OF 'EM. AND THEN WE'RE PUTTING IN A NEW CROSSING FROM, UH, WHAT WE CALL THE EAST SIDE TRANSIT CENTER, WHICH IS OVER THERE BY THE SAFEWAY THERE. AND SO WE WANT TO ALLOW FOR PEDESTRIANS TO CROSS FROM THAT SHOPPING CENTER OVER TO MCNAIR, I'M SORRY, OVER TO MCDOWELL PARK AND MCDOWELL SCHOOL. SO, ALL RIGHT. UM, OTHER PEDESTRIAN SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS. INCREASE THE VISIBILITY, SLOW TRAFFIC. SO, UM, I'VE, UM, FOR THE TREE COMMITTEE, WE'VE, WE'VE FOUND PLACES WHERE WE COULD PUT IN SOME TREE WELLS, SO WE'RE GONNA BE PUTTING, PUTTING THEM IN. UM, IT'S NOT AS EXTENSIVE AS I WOULD LIKE, BUT I FEEL LIKE IT'S A GOOD FIRST STEP. IT'S A CHALLENGE. WE'VE GOT UTILITIES THAT ARE ALONG THE EDGE. SO WHAT I'VE DONE IS I'VE BUMPED OUT THE, THE, UM, SIDEWALK IN ORDER TO CREATE AN AREA WHERE WE CAN PLACE GREENERY AND TREES. AND SO THAT'S GONNA BE GOING IN. AND I, I FEEL LIKE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, HAVING WORKED WITH RELEAF, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO. IT'S, IT'S IN THE CONTRACT, UM, TO GO IN, UM, IF, UM, SO THAT WORK IS, IS, UM, YOU KNOW, A PART OF, A PART OF THIS WHOLE, WHOLE PROJECT. AND THEN WE'VE TIGHTENED THE CURB RADIUS, LIKE, WELL, WHAT IS THAT? SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS TRIED TO, WHEN WHEN A UH, VEHICLE HAS TO TURN OFF MARIA DRIVE, THEY HAVE TO GO A LITTLE BIT SLOWER BECAUSE IT'S A TIGHTER TURNING RADIUS. WE HAVE A LOT OF, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, CORNERS THAT, THAT ARE, ARE JUST, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY ALLOW THE MOTOR VEHICLE TO JUST GO TOO FAST, FRANKLY, YOU KNOW, WE NEED, WE'RE TRYING TO SLOW EVERYTHING DOWN. SO DOING, TIGHTENING UP THE CURB RADIUS JUST FORCES THAT ISSUE INTO IT. SO ON THE BIKE SAFETY, WE'VE GOT, UH, LYNCH CREEK AND THE WASHINGTON CREEK TRAILS. WE'VE GOT BUFFERED BIKE LANES, RAINIER THEM IN ROW. UH, WE REDUCED THE CURB RADII, AND WE'VE NARROWED LANES, WHICH I THINK IS, IS SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT. YOU KNOW, MANY PLACES IN PETALUMA, WE'VE JUST GOT AN EXPANSIVE AMOUNT OF ASPHALT WITH NO MARKINGS, AND IT, IT DOESN'T GIVE ANY CONTEXT THAT YOU'RE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD. SO WE'VE TRIED TO NARROW EVERYTHING UP. WE'VE PUT IN, UM, BIKE BOXES, WHICH ARE THE GREEN, UM, UH, MARKINGS THAT YOU SEE. YOU CAN SEE 'EM OUT AT CORONA IN NORTH MCDOWELL. AND THEY, THEY BASICALLY, THEY'RE A, YOU KNOW, A-M-U-T-C-D MANUAL UNIFORM TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES, UM, UH, MEANS FOR IDENTIFYING CONFLICT ZONES AND, AND A MEANS FOR IDENTIFYING WHERE THE, UM, UH, WHERE THE BI BICYCLISTS CAN BE IN TRYING TO KEEP MOTOR VEHICLES OUT OUT OF THE AREA. SO SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS, UH, SIGNALS AND SIGNAGE, AS I MENTIONED FROM THE, OUR, UM, LOCAL ROAD SAFETY PLAN AND THE HIGH INJURY NETWORK. WE HAD A LOT OF CRASHES, UM, ON, ON, UM, UH, EAST, UH, EAST WASHINGTON AND MARIA. AND SO WE WANT TO ADDRESS THOSE. SO SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE MAKING ON THAT, UM, IS WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LEADING PEDESTRIAN INTERVAL. SO THE, THE PICTURE THAT'S ON THE RIGHT HERE, IT'S A, THE, THE MOTOR [00:15:01] VEHICLE TRAFFIC IS STOPPED, UM, AND THEN WE HAVE THE PEDESTRIAN IS LOUD TO ADVANCE, UH, IN, INTO THE STREET, AND THEN THE LIGHT WILL TURN GREEN, BUT IT GIVES A LITTLE BIT MORE, IT GIVES MORE VISIBILITY TO THE PEDESTRIAN TRYING TO, TRYING TO CROSS. SO, AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN IMPLEMENTING THROUGHOUT PETALUMA, UM, WITH REGARD TO THE LANDSCAPING. SO WE'VE GOT SELECT LOCATIONS FOR AUGMENTING THE LANDSCAPING, PUTTING IN SOME GREENERY AS WELL AS TREES. UM, AND THIS, THIS HELPS WITH SORT OF TRAFFIC CALMING. IT PROVIDES AN EDGE CONDITION WHERE THERE'S JUST, THERE'S MORE, UM, MORE FRICTION. SO A MOTORIST IS JUST LESS INCLINED TO, TO WANT TO SPEED IN THAT AREA. AND, UM, OBVIOUSLY THE CLIMATE RESILIENCY BENEFITS AND THE AESTHETICS OF IT. SO WE'VE GOT 10 NEW TREES GOING IN. UM, WELCOME SUGGESTIONS ON THE TREE TYPES. WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO MAKE THAT HERE. IF WE'VE, YOU KNOW, IF A DECISION CAN BE MADE, THAT'D BE GREAT. BUT, UM, WE'VE GOT SUGGESTIONS FOR WHAT WE'D PUT IN THERE. WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME WESTERN RED BUDS, AND THEN WE'VE GOT 70 NEW SHRUBS, AND THEN DEER GRASSES GOING IN. AND WITH REGARD TO THE, THE RECYCLED WATER, UM, THIS, THIS FIGURE, THE PURPLE SHOWS THE AREAS THAT ARE GONNA BE SERVED WITH THE RECYCLED WATER. AND IT'S PRETTY AMAZING THAT PETALUMA FOR BASICALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, EIGHT MONTHS OF THE YEAR IS DISTRIBUTING RECYCLED WATER. NOTHING GOES INTO THE RIVER. IT'S A REALLY, IT'S, IT'S A, AN AMAZING ACHIEVEMENT THAT WE'VE HAD GOING ON FOR OVER 10 YEARS. AND WE'RE JUST EXPANDING THAT. AND SO THIS, YOU KNOW, PARTICULAR PROJECT WILL BRING A 12 INCH LINE FROM RAINIER TO LUCCHESE PARK, OUR BIGGEST PARK. SO, AND CHELSEA THOMPSON, SHE GOT THE GRANT FUNDING FOR THIS. THIS IS ONE, ONE EXTENSION. THERE'S TWO OTHERS THAT ARE ALSO FUNDED. UM, AND, AND ARE AT THIS POINT, NOT, NOT DESIGNED, BUT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO INSTALL THIS FIRST, FIRST ONE, UM, HERE IN THIS PROJECT. SO AS FAR AS PUBLIC OUTREACH, UM, WE'VE HAD, I SAY A COMMUNITY SURVEY WEBPAGE, COMMUNITY SURVEY. IT'S ACTUALLY BEEN A COMMENT FORM AND A A MEANS FOR PEOPLE TO GET, GET INFORMATION. WE'VE HAD A WORKSHOP, UM, CAME TO PBAC MAY 3RD. WE'RE COMING AGAIN TO TELL YOU WHAT WE HEARD. AND THEN, UH, UM, THIS IS ALSO OUR TREE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, AND I WANT TO, UH, OUR LOCAL ROAD SAFETY PLAN DID A LOT OF PUBLIC OUTREACH, AND WE COLLECTED INFORMATION FROM THAT. SO WHAT WE HEARD WITH REGARD TO PAC AND COMMUNITY MEETINGS IS IMPROVE THE BIKE FACILITY. SO WE'RE ADDING BUFFERED BIKE LANES AND GREEN PAIN AT THE CONFLICT ZONES, UM, UH, DOING THE PED CROSSING AT THE TRANSIT CENTER, THAT'S BEEN ADDED. UM, WE'VE GOT A NEW PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AT LAUREN DRIVE. UM, AND THEN AREAS WHERE WE'VE GOT DAMAGED SIDEWALKS OR THERE'S INSUFFICIENT, UM, WIDTH FOR, FOR, UM, ADA ACCESS, WE'VE IMPROVED THAT, UM, ON THE SIDEWALK. AND THEN THE DIPS, UH, THAT ARE, UH, THAT ARE IN THE ROADWAY, WE'VE GONE AHEAD AND PUT IN THE SPEED GRADATION MARKINGS AND THE SIGNAGE PER M-U-T-C-D. SO, UM, OH, AND THEN WHAT WE'VE GOT ON THE, THE WEBPAGE HERE IS, UM, ADD ANOTHER COMMENT ON THE DIPS. AND AGAIN, PROVING THE, THE MARKINGS AND THE SIGNAGE. WE GOT PRESERVATION OF THE STREET PARKING. THAT WAS IMPORTANT, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU GET, UM, BETWEEN WASHINGTON AND, AND SOUTH MCDOWELL. THAT AREA HAS A LOT OF USE OF THE ON STREET PARKING, BUT THERE ARE AREAS WHERE WE ARE REMOVING PARKING, PARTICULARLY AT THE CORNERS, TO TRY TO DAYLIGHT THE CURVES. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT, UM, FOR PEDESTRIANS IN PARTICULAR. SO, AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, AT THE EAST SIDE TRANSIT CENTER, UM, OVER THERE ACROSS FROM MCDOWELL PARK, WE WE'RE PUT IN THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS, AND WE'VE NARROWED THE LANES TO TRY TO SHIFT THE BUSES TOWARDS THE, THE, UH, THE CURB THERE AND GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE VISIBILITY THROUGH THAT AREA. SO, AND, UH, NEXT STEPS THAT WE'RE GONNA GO INTO CONSTRUCTION THIS NEXT SPRING. UM, AND, UH, WE WILL COMPLETE IN FALL OF 2024. SO, AND WITH THAT, UM, I WELCOME ANY, ANY QUESTIONS. UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH, KEN. YEAH. UM, SO WE HAVE THE TREE ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND, UM, BIKE AND PED. AND SO I, I THINK WE'LL WORK THROUGH THE TREE ADVISORY COMMITTEE FIRST AND THEN GO THROUGH, UM, BIKE AND PET, SO WE CAN KIND OF KEEP COMMENTS, UM, IN, IN THEIR CATEGORIES A LITTLE BIT. SO AT THIS POINT, WE'LL GO, UM, [00:20:01] WE WILL GO AHEAD AND DO, UM, ARE WE DOING QUESTIONS, BJORN? I'M SORRY? OR JUST COMMENTS? SO THIS IS A, A PRESENTATION ITEM. SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S SOMEWHAT AT THE OKAY. AT YOUR DISCRETION, BUT, UM, WE CAN START WITH A ROUND OF QUESTIONS, AND IF THERE'S INTEREST IN COMMENTS, THEN YOU CAN MAKE THE CALL TO OPEN IT UP. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO CLARIFYING QUESTIONS. I'LL START WITH THE T TREE COMMITTEE. MAYBE WE CAN, OH, YEAH, GO AHEAD, DARREN. THANK YOU. THANKS AND THANKS KIM, FOR THE PRESENTATION. I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN AN IDEA THAT A LOT OF MEMBERS OF THE TREE COMMITTEE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IS PAIRING STREET REPAVING WITH SOME KIND OF MOVE TOWARD MORE TREES, MORE STREET TREES, MORE ACTIVATION IN THAT PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. UH, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE PLANTING AND THEN THE INITIAL WATERING? UH, IS THIS THE CITY CONTRACTING TO ACTUALLY PLANT THE TREES AND THEN TAKE CARE OF IT FOR ITS FIRST COUPLE YEARS OF LIFE? I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN A CONTENTIOUS ISSUE, IS HOW DO WE MANAGE TREES IN THAT PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY? IS IT THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER? IS IT THE CITY? FROM WHAT I'M HEARING, THIS SOUNDS LIKE KIND OF A HYBRID, BUT CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT? YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S, UM, WE'RE GOING THROUGH, WE'RE KIND OF GOING THROUGH AN EVOLVING PROCESS RIGHT NOW. WHAT WE'RE PLANNING TO DO, AND WHAT I'M PLANNING TO DO FOR NORTH MCDOWELL IS TO, UM, GO TO THE, UM, UH, A, A PARTNER, UM, GO TO RELIEF. UM, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE ALL THE, THE INSURANCE AND SUCH, BUT THEY, THEY HAVE SAFE, UM, SAFE, SAFE STREETS FOR PETALUMA, UM, SAFE, SAFE STREETS TEAM. SAFE STREETS TEAM, I THINK. SO, I THINK IT'S SAFE STREETS TEAM. AND SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING THEM. I'VE GOT, I'VE GOT CONTRACTORS BIDS FOR DOING THAT WORK, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE'RE, WE NEED TO, IT'S, IT'S ALL, YOU KNOW, A NEW WORK EFFORT FOR THE CITY. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I WANNA LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE MAKE SURE IT'S A COMPETITIVE PROCESS, BUT HOW DO WE DO SOMETHING FOR THE LONG TERM? SO RIGHT NOW, LIKE FOR NORTH MCDOWELL, I'VE GOT A BID FOR TWO YEARS. WE'VE GOT WATER BAGS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, A, A, UM, A RELIEF AND THE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SAFE STREETS PETALUMA, UM, TEAM WOULD, WOULD BE COMING TOGETHER TO DO IT. SO THAT'S, THAT'S HOW I WAS DOING IT ON THAT MARIA DRIVE. UM, I, I, IT'D BE SOMETHING SIMILAR THAT I'M LOOKING AT. SO, YEAH. AND THEN DO PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS, ARE THEY RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE TREES MOVING FORWARD? SOME CITIES HAVE KIND OF DONE THAT. THE CITY OWNS THE TREES, IT PLANTS IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, EVEN THOUGH THAT RIGHT OF WAY IS TECHNICALLY STILL THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS. UH, SO, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY AFTER THIS FIRST TWO YEARS WHEN, YOU KNOW, IT GETS TO BE BIGGER AND THERE'S MAINTENANCE, IS THERE A PROCESS RIGHT NOW EVOLVING WHERE YOU GUYS NEED PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER? OR DOES THE CITY KIND OF OWN THOSE TREES THAT IT PLANTS? YEAH, THE, THE . SO THE MUNICIPAL CODE BASICALLY PUTS THE ONUS ON THE PROPERTY OWNER. AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A QUESTION THAT THE, UM, ERIC DANLEY CITY ATTORNEY NEEDS TO, NEEDS TO WEIGH IN ON. UH, SO, UH, THAT MAKES SENSE. AND THEN WHEN WE HAVE SOME OTHER PAVING PROJECTS COMING UP, IS THIS DIFFERENT? I NOTICED AT THE BEGINNING YOU KIND OF QUALIFIED, THIS WAS REPAVING, UH, AND I BELIEVE EITHER EXPOSING UTILITIES OR STORM WATER, UM, SO OUR OTHER REPAVING PROJECTS LIKE CAULFIELD AND WESTERN FALLING IN THIS SAME CATEGORY THAT, UH, MARIA DRIVE IS IN, SO THAT THESE OPTIONS WOULD BE ON THE TABLE FOR THOSE REPAVING PROJECTS AS WELL. THE ONLY REASON I ASK IS, I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS IN BJORN AND SAID, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE DIFFERENT FUNDING BUCKETS DEPENDING ON THE PROJECT. UM, BUT DO YOU THINK THAT THIS IS ACHIEVABLE FOR SOME OF THOSE UPCOMING PAVING PROJECTS AS WELL? I, I THINK IT HAS TO BE. I MEAN, I, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT WE WANNA, UM, PERSONALLY CHRISTOPHER, GINA CAN JUMP IN, BUT I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO GO IN AND SPEND A LOT OF MONEY FOR THE NEXT 20, 30 YEARS AND NOT HAVE SOME OF THESE KEY ELEMENTS LIKE TAKEN CARE OF. YOU KNOW, IF WE JUST KIND OF GO DOING SAME OLD, SAME OLD, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAVE, WHAT HAVE WE DONE ? SO THAT'S ME PERSONALLY. AND SO I, AND I SEE FROM, FROM A DESIGN AND FROM A, YOU KNOW, A COST STANDPOINT, YES, IT ADDS A LITTLE BIT OF COST, BUT I THINK IT'S GOT, I THINK IT'S GOT TOO, IT'S NOT SO MUCH, IT'S NOT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF COST AT THIS POINT. UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, MANY WAYS TO MAKE IT A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE. BUT I THINK IF WE'VE, IF WE'RE, IF WE GO THROUGH IN AN INTELLIGENT DESIGN WAY AND PLANNING WAY, WE CAN DO, WE CAN DO THIS, THIS TYPE OF WORK. SO, YEAH. OKAY. AND, UM, AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE, UM, WHAT WAS THE DECISION ON THE TREE SPECIES OR WHAT, WHAT MADE YOU SELECT THE WESTERN RED BUD? THAT IS A VERY GOOD QUESTION. AND I BASICALLY TURNED THAT OVER TO INTEGRA, WHO'S [00:25:01] THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT THAT DID THE DESIGN. SO, UM, AND I REALIZED I, UM, I DON'T THINK THE STAFF REPORT GOT TO YOU, BUT I, YOU KNOW, I WOULD, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO GET FEEDBACK FROM, FROM THE TREE COMMITTEE AND I, I WAS SUGGESTING, AND MAYBE THERE'S AN AD HOC COMMITTEE, THE NEXT, UM, NEXT MEETING WE COULD FORMALLY SET UP AN AD HOC COMMITTEE THAT I COULD WORK WITH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE EXPERTISE THAT IS ON, UM, TAC. SO, AND, AND, UM, I, I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD PATH FORWARD. THIS IS, WE'RE KIND OF, WE'RE, WE'RE DOING SOMETHING THAT WE HAVEN'T DONE IN THE PAST. AND SO I, I KIND OF FEEL LIKE EVERYTHING'S ON THE TABLE, SO, YEAH. WELL, I REALLY LIKE THAT IDEA AND I LOVE THAT WE'RE KIND OF PUSHING THIS DIRECTION. SO THANKS FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS. YEP. THANKS. YEAH. REAL QUICK, UH, ONE CLARIFICATION. I THINK IT'S DOWNTOWN STREET'S TEAM. THAT'S, THAT, THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, I THINK, IS THAT REBUILDING TOGETHERS? NO, IT'S REBUILDING. IT'S THAT ONE. OKAY. OKAY. REBUILDING TOGETHER. OKAY. WHICH, OKAY. IT'S REBUILDING TOGETHER AND THEY HAVE THE INSURANCE. THEY, THEY HAVE THE INSURANCE AND ALL THE, YEAH. AND THEN, UM, QUESTION ABOUT, UM, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TREE CANOPIES AND HOW WE'LL BE TREATING THOSE MOVING FORWARD. AND IT'S MORE THAN KEN'S PERSONAL INTEREST. IT CERTAINLY IS A DEPARTMENT AND CITYWIDE, UM, PRIORITY TO TRY AND, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR CLIMATE RESILIENCY BENEFITS, FOR BEAUTIFICATION, FOR TRAFFIC, CALMING FOR ALL KINDS OF REASONS TO BE, UH, EXPLORING HOW, HOW WE CAN INVOLVE TREES ON OUR STREET PROJECTS. AND SOME PROJECTS WILL, IT WILL BE, UM, THERE, THERE WILL BE FEWER BARRIERS TO DOING THAT AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO INCORPORATE MORE AND OTHER PROJECTS, IT'S CHALLENGING MAYBE BECAUSE OF UTILITIES OR LOGISTICS OR CONFIGURATION AMOUNT OF RIGHT OF WAY, ET CETERA. AND, AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE JUGGLE THOSE ON EVERY PRO ON, ON EVERY PROJECT. BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN MAXIMIZE THAT, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY WHAT WE WANT TO DO. WELL, AND I REALIZE THAT BRINGS INTO QUESTION, YOU NOTICE PUBLIC WORKS NEED TO BRING ON, YOU KNOW, PERSONNEL THAT ARE FAMILIAR WITH TREES AND DO WE NEED TO ESTABLISH A, A SET OF STANDARDS FOR HOW THE CITY KIND OF DOES TREE PLANTING AND TREES. SO IT'S A REALLY BIG, I THINK THIS IS A REALLY BIG, UH, SHIFT POTENTIALLY. SO YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THAT. UH, THANK YOU. UH, KEN, I CAN SEE THAT THIS, THAT YOUR PLAN, WHOOPS. IT'S STILL ON. CAN YOU HEAR ME STILL? OH, COOL. UM, YOUR PLAN INCORPORATES A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN TALKED ABOUT RECENTLY AND ALSO HAS PLACEHOLDERS OR INDICATIONS FOR FUTURE VISION THAT ARE REALLY ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN ASKING FOR. AND, AND YOU'VE RISEN TO THAT OCCASION REALLY NICELY. THANK YOU. UM, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS COMBINED IN THE INTEREST OF BEING EFFICIENT WITH MY TIME HERE. UM, SO, AND NOT IN ANY PARTICULAR ORDER. UM, I DID SEND IN A PICTURE TO BJORN AND SHELLY IN ADVANCE TO SHOW A PICTURE OF, I WANNA MAKE A POINT ABOUT CANOPY TREES. I KNOW YOU'RE NOT LOOKING FOR DEFINITIVE SELECTION ON TYPE OF TREE, BUT WHERE IS THE, UM, RED BUD IS A SMALLER TREE AND NOT REALLY A CANOPY TREE. I WANTED TO OFFER UP THAT PHOTO TO BE SHARED WITH EVERYONE OF WHAT A TRUE CANOPY TREE LOOKS LIKE AND WHAT MARIA DRIVE COULD LOOK LIKE WITH A SYCAMORE, UM, UH, POLICY. UM, IT'S JUST ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL AND WE DO A LOT TO, UM, HELP WITH THE HEAT ISLAND EFFECT UP THERE. UM, AND TO SLOW TRAFFIC, UM, BECAUSE THESE THINGS ARE INTERRELATED. I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC UP THERE, ESPECIALLY SINCE THERE ARE A LOT OF PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS GOING TO SCHOOL. BUT NARROWING THE ROADS I SEE EVERY DAY ON WEST PAYAN IS HUGELY PRO PROBLEMATIC. IT LOOKS OKAY IN A TEXTBOOK, BUT IN PRACTICE WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING IS CARDS GET SIDESWIPED ROUTINELY, AND THAT DOESN'T EVEN GET REPORTED TO THE POLICE BECAUSE THE POLICE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. UM, SO IT'S THIS KIND OF, THIS, UH, BLACK BOX OF PROBLEMS. BUT WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING IS THAT YOU SEE ON OUR ROAD THAT CARS PARK IN THE BOUTS AGAINST THE TREES DAMAGING THE TREES. AND A LOT OF THE BULL BOUTS NO LONGER HAVE TREES NOR ANY VEGETATION 'CAUSE THEY'RE BASICALLY PARKING THAT ARE SAFER FOR THE PEOPLE THAN PARKING ON THE STREET BECAUSE THEIR VEHICLES GET DEMOLISHED. UM, MY NEIGHBOR'S BUSINESS TRUCK GOT TOTALED AND FOR MONTHS HE WAS OUT [00:30:01] OF COMMISSION WITH HIS BUSINESS, AND THAT'S NOT GOOD FOR OUR ECONOMY. UM, OKAY. SO I WANNA MAKE THAT POINT AND HOPEFULLY SHARE SOME OF THE PICTURES. MAYBE THERE'S ANOTHER PICTURE THERE. UM, I SPEND A LOT OF TIME IN EUROPE, AND WHAT THEY DO THERE IS THAT THEY HAVE OPTICAL ILLUSIONS. I KNOW PEOPLE PROBABLY HEARD OF THIS BEFORE, BUT I CAN TELL YOU IT WORKS. YOU CANNOT CONTROL YOUR BRAIN. UM, YOUR BODY WILL SLOW DOWN FOR THESE THINGS. AND IT DOES. IT'S SO CHEAP, IT'S SO EASY. YEAH. MAYBE WE CAN EXPERIMENT ON MARIA DRIVE AND SEE HOW IT WORKS. YEAH. AN IDEA THERE. OKAY. SO I'M HOPING THAT, UM, IF YOU COULD PLEASE CLARIFY, DARREN'S QUESTIONS WERE HELPFUL, BUT IF YOU CAN TELL ME YOUR PLAN FOR MARIA DRIVE, IS THERE A NEW MODEL THAT YOU'RE PUSHING IN TERMS OF PRIVATE PROPERTY, PUBLIC MAINTENANCE, OR PUBLIC RESPONSIBILITY THAT'S THIS WEIRD LINE THAT WE KEEP HITTING UP AGAINST WITH TREES AND, UM, FOR THE TREES FOR THE GREEN, UM, FUTURE GREENING TREE WELLS. WHO'S GONNA OWN THOSE TREES? ARE YOU GO, IS THE CITY GONNA VENTURE FOR THE FIRST TIME TO CLAIM A LITTLE BIT MORE OWNERSHIP AND A LITTLE BIT MORE RESPONSIBILITY? OR ARE WE REALLY STILL AT THE MERCY OF WHETHER A PROPERTY OWNER IS GONNA FEEL INCLINED TO TAKE CARE OF 'EM OR NOT? AND THEN MY FINAL COMMENT WOULD BE THE INTERSECTION OF EAST WASHINGTON AND MARIA. THERE ARE LIKE ADOBE RETAINING WALLS AROUND THE SUBURBS THAT ARE ON EACH OF, UH, THE, UH, THE DEVELOPMENTS ON EACH OF THOSE CORNERS. MM-HMM. , BUT THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF GROUND ON THE OUTSIDE OF EACH OF THOSE RETAINING WALLS. CAN WE DO ESPLANADE TREES THERE? OR IF NOT FULL ON TREES, VINES TO GREEN UP THAT AREA A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE IT'S A REAL EYESORE AND MAYBE THAT'LL HELP CALM TRAFFIC A LITTLE BIT. MM-HMM. FOR PEDESTRIANS. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO WITH REGARD TO THE FIRST QUESTION WITH REGARD TO WHO'S RESPONSIBLE I THAT'S, YOU KNOW, DARREN, DARREN HIT IT. I THINK WE NEED TO, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO EXPLORE ON THIS, AND I NEED TO GO TO THE ATTORNEY AND, AND FIGURE OUT RIGHT NOW IT, THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE RESPONSIBLE, BUT WE'RE GOING IN AND PUTTING SOMETHING IN. AND I HAVE NO SHORTAGE OF, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC COMING TO ME WHEN WE SEND 'EM A LETTER TO REPAIR THEIR SIDEWALK WHILE THE CITY TOLD ME TO PLANT THE TREE THERE. AND NOW YOU'RE ASKING ME TO REPAIR THE SIDEWALK. 'CAUSE YOU GUYS WANTED ME TO PLANT THE TREE. SO I NEED TO GET CLARIFICATION ON THAT. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. WITH REGARD TO WASHINGTON AND THESE SOUND WALLS THAT WE HAVE, THEY'RE THERE AND ON CAWFIELD, THEY'RE JUST, OH, IT'S JUST WHAT A BAD IDEA. SO I WILL, I'LL DEFINITELY TAKE THAT BACK AND SEE IF THERE ISN'T SOMETHING THAT WE CAN PUT IN THERE AND TO TRY TO IMPROVE THAT CONDITION. SO CAN'T PROMISE IT, BUT I, I'LL DEFINITELY LOOK AT THAT. SO, YEAH. OKAY. IS THERE A QUESTION ON, UH, HOW, HOW MANY TREES ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? UH, 10. 10. 10 TREES. AND THEY'RE ALL REDWOOD? NO. UM, IT'S RED BUD. RED BUD AND, AND, UM, AGRI FOLIA COAST LIVE OAK. SO IS THERE, WHAT'S THE, AND WHAT'S THE SPACE OR THE AREA THEY'RE PLANTED IN? WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE ROOT ZONE AREA? UM, WE'VE GOT THREE, THREE LOCATIONS AT, AT, UH, MADISON, AND THEN ON EITHER SIDE OF LAUREN WHERE WE COULD DO THIS. AND AGAIN, THERE'S A LOT OF CONSTRAINTS AND EACH OF THOSE LOCATIONS IS ROUGHLY 20 TO 30 FEET IN LENGTH. AND, AND THE WIDTH OF IT, UM, AND I'M, I'M KIND OF GOING OFF MEMORY HERE, BUT THE, THE, THE BALLOUT THAT'S, UM, WHERE WE WOULD PUT 'EM, I THINK IS, IS, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHERE AROUND FOUR FEET IN WIDTH. BUT I WOULD NEED TO CONFIRM THAT. SO FOUR FEET BY 20 FEET, YOU'RE SAYING IT'S A YEAH, YEAH. AND YOU CAN'T GET A LARGER TREE BESIDES A RED REDWOOD IN THERE? UH, POSSIBLY. THIS IS THE RECOMMENDATION THAT I GOT FROM THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT DOING THE WORK. SO, UM, YEAH. WELL, I GUESS WE'RE LOOKING FOR AS MUCH CANOPY AS AND VISUAL OBSTRUCTION AS WE CAN GET, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF LANDSCAPE IMPACT. YEP. UH, I HAVE FIVE REDWOOD IN MY FRONT YARD, AND IT'S PROBABLY FIVE FEET APART. THEY'RE NOT BIG TREES. UM, I SUGGEST AN AD HOC COMMITTEE AND, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD EXPLORE. SO. OKAY. ON THE, UH, TREE, WELL, AS YOU CALL IT, YOUR PLANTING, IS THAT A TREE WELL, OR IS THAT JUST A PLANTING AREA? I, I WOULD PROBABLY , I'M NOT SURE OF THE SPECIFICS FROM THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT [00:35:01] STANDPOINT, BUT IT, I WOULD CONSIDER IT A PLANTING AREA. OKAY. YEAH, SO, AND HOW BIG IS THAT? IS THAT THE 20 BY THAT'S, THAT'S, YEAH. WHAT I WAS JUST DESCRIBING. YEP. YEAH. UM, AND ARE YOU SLEEVING ANY OF THESE FOR IRRIGATION, FUTURE IRRIGATION? UM, WE DO NOT HAVE THAT IN THERE. NO. YOU MEAN FROM, FROM PULLING OFF OF EITHER DOMESTIC OR, UH, YOU KNOW, A FUTURE RECYCLED RECYCLED WATER IF YOU'VE GOT RECLAIMED WATER COURSE BY, IT DOESN'T, YEAH. IT DOESN'T EXTEND, UH, PAST, UH, LOMA VISTA LUCCHESE. OKAY. SO IT STOPS THERE. UM, SO IT DOESN'T GO TO THESE AREAS. YEAH. AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION IS RELATED TO YOUR PAVEMENT REBUILDING ON ADOBE SOIL, UH, ON ADOBE SOIL, HOW, I MEAN, ALL THE PAVING, UH, UH, REPAIR I'VE SEEN IS ON THE SURFACE. HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH UN STRUCTURAL EXPANSION AS WELL? THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION, AND I'M GLAD YOU ASKED IT. SO, SO WE ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH, UM, A DESIGN STUDY ON THIS TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT, WE LOOKED AT DIFFERENT PAVEMENT, STRUCTURAL SECTIONS THAT COULD GO IN THERE. UM, YOU KNOW, DEEP LIFT, ASPHALTIC, CONCRETE THINNER LIFT, BUT MORE, YOU KNOW, CLASS TWO AGGREGATE BASE. WHAT WE ENDED UP DOING THAT SEEMS TO BE THE LEAST COSTLY, IS ACTUALLY TO LIME TREAT. SO THIS IS WHAT WAS DONE ON THE BALL FIELD, WHAT WAS DONE ON THE SOCCER FIELDS AT THE EAST WASHINGTON SPORTS FIELD. SO WE'RE GOING IN, WE PEEL BACK THE A, THE ASPHALT TO CONCRETE, THE ROCK, AND THEN WE TREAT THAT SUBSURFACE SOIL, THE CLAY SOILS WITH A TWO TO TWO POINT A HALF PERCENT LIME MIXTURE. AND WE, WE, WE MOISTURE CONDITION IT AND WE ROTOTILL IT AND WE COMPACT IT IN THERE. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS NOT BEEN DONE IN THE PAST. IT'S, IT'S A COST EFFECTIVE WAY OF ADDRESSING THE, THE, THE SOILS. AND THAT'S WHEN I WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR ROADS ARE STRUCTURALLY DEFICIENT. IT'S BE IT'S BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T DO SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT. UM, THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UM, YEAH, THANK YOU KEN. AND, UM, THANK YOU FOR THE, THIS, THIS VERY THOUGHTFUL PRESENTATION AND, AND I, I CAN SEE A LOT OF, A LOT OF CONSIDERATION HAS GONE INTO THIS, AND THANK YOU FOR INVITING US TO, TO BE PART OF THIS. UM, UH, AGAIN, PART OF MINE ARE, ARE COMMENTS AND PART OF OUR, UM, QUESTIONS. I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, SO YOU SAY FUTURE PLANTING, DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA WHEN THAT FUTURE NO, THIS, THE PLANTING RIGHT NOW IS PART, IS, IS, UM, IT'S IN THE DESIGN. OKAY. IT'S FULLY DESIGNED AND IT, IT'S GONNA GO AS A BID ITEM. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH. AND I, AND, UM, I GUESS I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND MORE SO WHY WE HAVE, WHAT WAS IT, LIKE THREE OR FOUR PLANTING AREAS IN A MILE? A MILE AND A HALF OF I, UH, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S PRIMARILY, I, I WOULD'VE LIKED TO HAVE MORE, BUT WHEN WE GOT INTO ACTUALLY, UM, DOING, BASICALLY EACH OF THESE TREE PLANTING AREAS IS A BALLOUT AND THE AREA REALLY FLAT. SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE FLOODING ISSUES IN THAT AREA. OKAY. SO THAT WAS ONE ASPECT OF IF YOU BALL IT OUT TOO FAR, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T ACTUALLY GET THE AREA TO DRAIN THE, THE ROAD EDGES TO DRAIN. THE OTHER PROBLEM WAS THAT WE HAVE A, A 10 INCH WATER LINE, AND THERE ARE OTHER UTILITIES. SO WE START, UM, THERE'S GAS LINES AND ALL THOSE HAVE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS. AND SO WE, AND, AND YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS IN THE MIDDLE CENTER LINE OF THE ROAD. THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY KIND OF TAKE THE WHOLE RIGHT OF WAY. MM-HMM. THE 40 FEET THAT I'D MENTIONED. SO, UM, THIS IS IN GOING THROUGH THE, THE DESIGN PROCESS. THIS IS WHERE WE LOOKED AT IT AND WE COULD DO IT. UM, SO, SO THAT, THAT'S A GOOD SEGUE INTO MY NEXT QUESTION IS, UM, I, IN HEALDSBURG WHEN THEY DID ALL THEIR BULB BELTS DOWNTOWN, THEY'RE ALSO BIOSWALES. YEAH. SO THEY, THEY, THEY'VE CONSIDERED THE DRAINAGE AND THEY'VE TAKEN CARE OF IT THAT WAY. IS THERE A REASON WHY WE'RE NOT CONSIDERING BIOSWALES? UM, I THOUGHT A LOT ABOUT 'EM. I, AND, AND, UM, I JUST DIDN'T FEEL THIS IS THE LOCATION FOR IT BECAUSE OF THE EXPANSIVE SOILS. IF WE GET OVER TO MORE OF THE GRANULAR MATERIALS ON THE WEST SIDE, WE HAVE MORE POTENTIAL FOR DOING THAT. BUT, UM, IT'S, YOU KNOW, UH, GOING IN AND, AND PUTTING IN A, A BIOSWALE INTO EXPANSIVE CLAY NEXT TO A ROAD, NEXT TO THE UTILITIES, I JUST, IT'S A BIGGER LIFT THAN WHAT I WANTED TO DO. I WASN'T, I DIDN'T HAVE A, THERE'S NOT A CLEAR WAY OF DOING IT. I'M NOT SAYING IT CAN'T BE DONE. AND YOU MAY BE ABLE TO PUT IN, YOU KNOW, BARRIERS THAT GO DOWN THREE FEET TO ALLOW THE WATER TO, [00:40:01] YOU KNOW, PERCOLATE INTO A CERTAIN AREA, BUT NOT IMPACT THE SOIL CONDITION NEXT TO THE ROADWAY. SO THERE'S NOT A WAY TO, TO, TO, UM, TO ATTACH THE, OR TO CONNECT THE BIOSWELLS INTO THE EXISTING DRAINAGE. UM, PART OF THAT PROBLEM IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE A DIRECT CONNECTION INTO THE, THE STORM DRAIN. WE COULD DO THAT. THAT'S WHERE THE, THE COST BECOMES, YOU START DOING DRAIN INLETS DI'S BECOMES MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE IN DOING THE PROJECT. AND I, I THINK IT COULD BE DONE. MM-HMM. , UM, I JUST, THERE WAS, SO YEAH. DOES THAT COST OUTWEIGH THE COST, THE BE COST BENEFIT OF GETTING IN MORE, MORE CANOPIES SORT, YOU KNOW, CLIMATE RESILIENCY IN SHAPE? I THINK THAT'S A QUESTION THAT WE HAVE TO TRY TO ANSWER MOVING FORWARD ON EACH OF THESE PROJECTS THAT WE DO. I THINK THOSE ARE, THAT'S VERY, VERY VALID. AND IT WASN'T, I'VE DONE A LOT OF BIOSWALES IN, IN, UH, PROJECTS. CITY, CITY COUNTY, SAN FRANCISCO DOES 'EM A LOT. MM-HMM. . AND, UM, THEY HAVE A, THEY HAVE A COMBINED SEWER SYSTEM, SO THEIR STORM DRAIN WATER IS COMBINED WITH THEIR SEWER WATER, AND THEY WANT TO TRY TO MINIMIZE HAVING TO TREAT ALL THEIR, WELL, I WAS, I WAS ALSO THINKING OF THE SAME THING WITH THE CREEKS RIGHT. IN THE VICINITY. SO I MEAN, GET THAT WATER TREATED BEFORE IT GETS INTO THE CREEKS. YEAH. UM, I KNEW SOMEBODY WAS GONNA ASK THAT QUESTION. I'M GLAD YOU DID. THANK YOU. UM, BECAUSE IT, IT WAS DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, IF, IF TIME AND MONEY WERE ENDLESS, I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, AND I COULD, I COULD SPEND THE ALL THAT TIME AND, AND REALLY EVALUATE IT, BUT I JUST, UM, YOU, YOU KNOW, THIS IS 1.1 MILES OF ROADWAY AND WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, 177 MILES AND 60% OF SCALE. I, I APPRECIATE IT'S BEING CONSIDERED AND I APPRECIATE IT THAT IT IS, IT IS AN OPTION. IT'S JUST YEAH. YOU KNOW? YEAH, OF COURSE. IT WELL, AND I, AND I, I WOULD PREFER TO DO IT IN A DIFFERENT GEOLOGICAL CONDITION. OKAY. FRANKLY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. BUT IT SEEMS, WELL, I'LL LET YOU, WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT LATER. YEAH. . UM, AND THE OTHER THING IS, UM, I WAS JUST, UH, ON THE EAST COAST WITH SOME AND VISITED A GARDEN OF SOME SOIL SCIENTISTS WHO DID A, UM, THEY'VE DONE ALL THE SOIL TESTS FOR THE CITY OF CAMBRIDGE. THEY'RE ACTUALLY ON, ON, ON STAFF OR ON ON, UM, YEAH. ON STAFF FOR THE, FOR HARVARD. BUT THEY, THEY DID SOIL TESTS FOR THE CITY OF CAMBRIDGE, AND THEY MADE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ALL OF THEIR PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY TREES. AND THEY WERE JUST THERE AFTER I VISITED, JUST BEFORE I VISITED THEM. AND, UM, THEY SAID THAT, THAT THE, UH, THE GROWTH RATE IS JUST, IT'S, IT'S SURPRISED EVEN THEM, IT'S JUST SORT OF ASTOUNDING. SO, UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT I WANNA LOOK INTO MORE, AND I CAN CERTAINLY SHARE ANY OF THAT INFORMATION WITH YOU WHEN I, AND I HAVE THEIR NAMES. I, WE CAN, WE CAN PUT YOU, I'M IN TOUCH WITH, AND THEY'RE IN CALIFORNIA OFTEN, SO, OKAY. SO I'M SORRY. THIS IS FOR SUCCESS. SO I'M SAYING IN WITH THESE, WITH THESE, UM, THESE TREES GOING IN, UM, AND DOING SOIL TESTS AND, YOU KNOW, GETTING RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT, ABOUT THE, THE, THE SPECIES OF TREES THAT ARE GONNA BE BEST FOR THAT SITE, AND ALSO HOW OUR SOIL, SO ONE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY FOUND IN THEIR STUDY WAS A CAMBRIDGE THAT THE, THE NUMBER ONE CAUSE FOR, UM, TREE DEFICIENCY OR TREE DEATH WAS, UM, SOIL COMPACTION AND LACK OF DRAINAGE. MM-HMM. . SO, YEAH. YEAH. ANYWAY, UM, AND THEN, UM, UH, I WEIGH IN ON THE RED, BUT I DON'T, I, I JUST DON'T THINK A RED BUT IS A GOOD STREET TREE TO ME. IT'S, AS A LANDSCAPE PROFESSIONAL, IT'S A BUSH. OKAY. UM, THERE ARE SOME, THERE ARE SOME VERY OLD ONES IN FRONT OF THE LIBRARY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT SHADE TREES. UH, I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M A BIG, BIG PROPONENT OF THE WESTERN SYCAMORE AND I LOVE IT. AND THERE'S A NEW ONE CALLED ROBERTS, A NEW CULTIVAR. UH, IT'S, IT'S GOT A BIGGER LEAF, UH, IT'S MORE RESISTANT TO THE ANTHRACNOSE. AND, UM, SAN FRANCISCO'S ADDED IT TO THEIR STREET TREE LIST. AND I'M, I'M GETTING AN OUR, OUR STREET TREE LIST, BUT IT'S JUST NOT THERE YET. AND, UM, AND YOU KNOW, I CERTAINLY HAVE OTHER, OTHER SUGGESTIONS TOO, BUT, UM, I LOVE THE SYCAMORES. I LOVE THEM. AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ONLY MODERATELY RATED AS FAR AS, AS FAR AS DAMAGE STREET, YOU KNOW, ROOT DAMAGE. THEY'RE JUST MODERATELY RATED, SO MM-HMM. , UM, THEY JUST, THEY SEEM TO HAVE A BAD RAP, ESPECIALLY IN PETALUMA WHEN I SEE SO MANY OF THEM COME DOWN. I, I'VE MENTIONED IT TO A COUPLE OF THE ARBORISTS, AND FOR SOME REASON THEY, THEY DIDN'T LIKE IT. AND, AND I'M, I'M STAYING OUT OF IT. SO I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY WE SHOULD FIGURE OUT YEAH, I KNOW WHICH A TO TALK TO. AND SO YEAH. I DISAGREE STRONGLY. YEAH. UM, AND, UM, BUT I CAN PUT YOU IN TOUCH WITH AN ARBORIST THAT WOULD, WOULD LIKE THEM . YEAH. YEAH. UM, AND, UM, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S, OH, THE EAST SIDE TRANSIT CENTER, AND I, I, FORGIVE ME, I, I, I'M IGNORANT THAT THERE WAS EVEN AN EAST SIDE TRANSIT CENTER. SO IS THE SHADE, AND IS THERE SHADE BEEN CONSIDERED? THERE? IS THERE, ARE THERE, ARE THERE PLACES FOR TREES THERE THAT IT'S THE, UM, THE, THE PROPERTY BOUNDARIES, UNFORTUNATELY RIGHT OF WAY DOESN'T EXTEND OVER THAT. I MEAN, IT'S, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. I MEAN, IT, I, UM, I HAVEN'T REACHED OUT TO THE PROPERTY OWNER, BUT I THINK [00:45:01] THAT'S, IT'S WORTHWHILE TO TRY TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH THEM SAME TIME WE'RE DOING THIS WORK. UM, SO I CAN, I CAN CHECK IN AND SEE IF THERE'S, IF MAYBE, YOU KNOW, THE LANDOWNER THERE WANTS TO PARTNER UP ON IT. IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE SOMETHING THE CITY WOULD GO IN AND DO. MM-HMM. . BUT IT'S A BIT OF A BLIGHT IN THAT AREA. AND, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MARIA, THE MCDOWELL PARK, THERE'S LIKE, THERE'S NO TREES THERE. IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A, WELL, THE WEST SIDE TRANSIT CENTER, NO BETTER. SO TRUE, TRUE . YEAH. AND, AND THEN AS FAR AS THE AD HOC, UH, FOR TREE RECOMMENDATIONS, I, WE DO HAVE AN AD HOC WITHIN THE TREE COMMITTEE ALREADY, BUT WE'RE REWRITING THE, THE STREET TREE LISTS. SO IT MAY BE THAT SOMEHOW THAT COULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE SAME, WE'RE NOT REALLY THAT BUSY RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE'RE WAITING FOR THE NEW TPO TO COME DOWN BEFORE WE REVISE THE LIST, SO I CAN BRING IT UP AT OUR NEXT STREET COMMITTEE. AND, UM, AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD. YOU KNOW, I'M HOPING THAT YOU, YOU MIGHT MEET IN DECEMBER AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I'LL DO WHAT I CAN ON MY END TO TRY TO HELP THAT. BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVING THAT, THAT CONNECTIVITY RELIEF HAS JUST BEEN GREAT TO WORK WITH. AND I'D LOVE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF TALENT THAT, THAT YOU HAVE. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, I THINK IT WOULD MAKE BEST USE OF EVERYBODY'S TIME TO HAVE A COUPLE PEOPLE TO KIND OF GO THROUGH THERE AND VET THINGS. AND, UM, SO, WELL, THAT'S IT FOR ME. AND, AND YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I THANK YOU FOR, I KNOW YOU'VE REACHED OUT TO ME PERSONALLY A COUPLE OF TIMES ON A FEW ISSUES, AND I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH. SO YEAH. I APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU'RE DOING. THANKS. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION, PLEASE. I, UH, FORGOT ABOUT, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE UTILITIES GOING UNDER THE GROUND SO THAT TREES AREN'T CONSTRAINED IN TERMS OF TREE SELECTION FOR CANOPY. ISN'T CONSTRAINED BY TELECOMMUNICATIONS LINES OR, UM, UH, UH, POWER LINES. ARE THEY ALL GOING UNDERGROUND AND IS THERE FIBER OPTIC GOING UNDERGROUND? JUST WANNA KNOW. THANK YOU. YEAH, I MEAN, ALL THE, ALL THE UTILITIES ARE UNDERGROUND. UM, E EXCEPT FOR, EXCEPT FOR POWER, OBVIOUSLY POWER AND TELECOM. UM, AND, UM, I, YEAH, UM, IT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING DOESN'T PRECLUDE THE, THE TELECOM. I MEAN, THAT'S 'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE ABOVE GROUND, SO, UM, YEAH. . YEAH, I, I, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UM, YEAH, THE UTILITY COMPANIES ARE AWARE OF THE PROJECT AND IF THEY WANTED TO UNDERGROUND IT, THEY WOULD GO IN AND DO THAT. BUT, UM, YEAH. SO. OKAY. SO THANK YOU. IS THAT ALL OF THE COMMENTS FROM THE TREE COMMITTEE OR FOR NOW WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK. THANK YOU. AND, UM, COMMITTEE MEMBER MEYER, CAN I START WITH YOU? YES, THANKS KEN. AND, UH, THE WHOLE TEAM FOR BRINGING THIS TO US. UH, I DON'T KNOW A LOT ABOUT TREES, BUT, UM, I, I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, KNOWING WHERE THE POWER LINES ARE AND CHOOSING A TREE THAT PROVIDES GOOD, CAN, GOOD CANOPY, GOOD SHADE ON A SIDEWALK, UM, SHADE WHERE YOU WANT IT. MAYBE EVEN BIRD HABITAT, BIRD FOOD, WHO KNOWS? I KNOW THAT MIGHT BE LOWER DOWN ON THE LIST. UM, UH, BUT I'M GONNA JUST, UH, GIVE SOME OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT THE BIKE LANES. UM, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT, WHEN YOU MENTIONED THE BUFFERED BIKE LANES, CAN YOU GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A DESCRIPTION ABOUT, UM, WHAT WOULD ACTUALLY GO IN THERE? I THINK WE SAW ONE IMAGE. IS IT, UH, PAINT ON STREET, SEPARATED BY A, UH, YOU KNOW, A HEAVY WHITE LINE, OR ARE WE ABLE TO USE ANY BOLLARDS OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S A PHYSICAL SEPARATION? THIS SEEMS LIKE SUCH A AWESOME OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO CREATE MORE OF A THOROUGH FARE, UM, THROUGH THESE NEIGHBORHOODS AND CREATE GREATER, YOU KNOW, BIKE WAYS ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN. SO I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD JUST SAY A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT WE COULD DO. YEAH, RIGHT, RIGHT NOW, THE, THE, UM, UH, BUFFERED BIKE LANE, AND FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN BJORN IF THERE'S ANYTHING I MISS ON IT. BUT IT'S, IT'S A, UH, FOUR FOOT, FIVE FOOT BIKE LANE WITH A TWO FOOT BUFFER, UM, PAINTED. EVERYTHING'S PAINTED. WE DON'T HAVE, AT THIS POINT, WE DON'T HAVE BALLARDS, WE DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, VERTICAL ELEMENTS. WE CALL 'EM KK 70 ONES. UM, WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN THERE. UM, THEY COULD, THEY COULD BE ADDED. SO THERE'S SUFFICIENT WIDTH TO DO IT. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, UH, COST IT. THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE DOING ON NORTH MCDOWELL. SO IF YOU LOOK AT NORTH MCDOWELL, THERE ARE, THERE WILL BE A FEW PLACES WHERE WE MAY BE ABLE TO DO THAT SAME CONDITION. MM-HMM. . SO, YEAH. WHAT'S BEEN THE EXPERIENCE ON NORTH MCDOWELL? I'VE, WHEN I'VE GONE, UH, IN THAT SECTION, I DO SEE PEOPLE USING IT, [00:50:01] UM, PARENTS WITH KIDS IN CARRIERS. YEAH. AND IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS A HIGHER USE AND IT SEEMED LIKE A SAFER USE WHEN I'M ON THE ROAD. YEAH. I, I'VE, YOU KNOW, I DROVE IT EARLIER THIS WEEK. I HAVEN'T SEEN, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY, UM, YOU KNOW, ANY OF THE, THE VERTICAL ELEMENTS, YOU KNOW, DAMAGED IN ANY SIGNIFICANT WAY. THEY SEEM TO BE ABLE TO AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, IN THIS, IN THIS SHORT TERM, HOLD UP PRETTY WELL. AND I, YOU KNOW, I FRANKLY, I DO FEEL LIKE IF YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, A PARENT WITH YOUR KIDS OR, OR JUST MAYBE NEWER TO CYCLING, IT'S, IT'S PROVIDING FOR THAT SEPARATION. UM, YOU KNOW, WE'D LOVE IT TO BE A, A FULL CLASS ONE FACILITY, BUT IT'S, I THINK IT'S A GOOD, A GOOD CONDITION FOR THAT, WHAT WE HAVE THERE. MM-HMM. AND CERTAINLY A LOT BETTER THAN WHAT WAS THERE ORIGINALLY, SO. YEAH. YEAH. I SEE A NICE CROSSOVER BETWEEN WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE ON, UH, MARIA AND THE, UH, ATP AND THE, AND THE, UM, CHANGES THAT WE INTEND TO MAKE. YEAH. AND WHEN, WHEN WE LOOK AT SOME OF THE MAPS AS WE'LL DO LATER, AND WE, WE'VE GIVEN THESE RANKINGS OF I THINK ONE TO FOUR, ALTHOUGH I DON'T THINK THERE WERE ANY FOURS, MEANING, MEANING, UH, THE ROAD CONDITION IS VERY CONDUCIVE TO GET EVEN THE MOST RELUCTANT CYCLISTS ON THE ROAD. MM-HMM. , UM, YOU KNOW, TO THE EXTENT WE CAN ELEVATE SOME MORE OF OUR ROADS TO MAKE THEM MORE CONDUCIVE, MORE COMFORTABLE FOR MORE RIDERS, JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT. I THINK THAT YEP. THIS MAY BE A, A REALLY GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT WITH A LITTLE MORE, UH, YOU KNOW, PRODUCT PAINT AND, UH, THOUGHT. YEAH. UM, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY HERE. I'D LOVE TO, TO SEE US DO THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN, YEAH, AND, AND OF COURSE, IF THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO CREATE MORE, I THINK YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE'S CONSTRAINTS IN TERMS OF WIDTH FOR SOME OF THE BLOCKS. UH, AND I WONDER IF WE'VE CONSIDERED REMOVING SOME OF THE STREET PARKING ON EITHER SIDE OF THE STREET. I KNOW THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF CARS IN THE AREA. THERE'S A LOT OF CARS AND, AND THE WAY THE, THE, THE PARTICULAR, UM, HOUSING FACILITIES ARE, ARE BEING USED. SO, AND WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING FROM, WE ARE REMOVING SOME PARKING UP, UP BY LAUREN AND MADISON, BUT THE PARKING AS YOU GO FROM WASHINGTON TOWARDS SOUTH MCDOWELL, IT'S, IT'S FAIRLY EXTENSIVELY USED. EVERY TIME I'VE GONE THROUGH THERE, THERE'S PARKING USED. AND SO I, I DIDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE IN GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF REMOVING THAT PARKING THERE. UM, JUST 'CAUSE ON BOTH SIDES, YOU KNOW, OF MARIA THERE, WE'VE GOT HOUSING COMPLEXES AND, AND, UM, I, YOU KNOW, THE LITTLE I'VE LEARNED IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, ONE OR TWO CARS PER UNIT. IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S THREE OR MORE. AND THIS IS, THIS IS THE CONDITION, YOU KNOW, I'VE SEEN IN OTHER PLACES IN PETALUMA. MM-HMM. . SO YEAH. OKAY. JUST WANNA MENTION THAT IF THERE'S THAT OPTION. BUT I, I, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE, UM, MORE DENSELY POPULATED AREAS AND MORE PERSONAL VEHICLES INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, CONTRACTORS, ET CETERA, WHO MIGHT HAVE, UH, VEHICLES FOR WORK. YEAH. UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT. AND, UM, AND IN TERMS OF THE TOTAL PAVING PROJECT, UH, MAYBE I SHOULD UNDERSTAND THIS, BUT ARE YOU REALLY GOING CURB TO CURB WITH THE NEW PAVEMENT? YOU'RE NOT TRENCHING, YOU'RE REALLY, AS YOU SAY, YOU'RE PEELING, YOU'RE REMOVING ALL DOING THE TREATMENT AND THEN YOU'RE GOING, UH, CON CONCRETE CURB TO CONCRETE CURB ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET WITH NEW PAVEMENT? YES. OKAY, GREAT. YEAH. YEAH. SO THAT WOULD THEN PREVENT US FROM HAVING ANY SEAMS OF NEW PAVEMENT THAT WOULD COINCIDE SOMEWHERE IN THE BIKE LANE, IF I'M MAKING MYSELF CLEAR. YEAH. WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THAT. YEAH. WE DON'T, THERE, THERE WOULDN'T BE THAT CONDITION. UM, AND WE DEFINITELY TRY TO, TO, DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE, THE SPREADER DEVICE THAT'S PUTTING THE FINAL AC LIFT ON THERE IS SET UP. SO IT DOES IT, YOU KNOW, FOR A FULL LANE, IT DOESN'T END UP WITH A SEAM SOMEWHERE ELSE. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH, I MEAN, IF THERE NEEDS TO BE A SEAM, I KNOW YOU'LL TRY TO PUT IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET. YEAH. UH, BUT TO AVOID THE BIKE LANE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE A NICE, UH, YOU KNOW, PROCESS TO INCLUDE. UM, I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE. THANK YOU CHAIR. AND THANK YOU KEN FOR THE PRESENTATION. UM, AND FOR IN GENERAL, BEING MUCH MORE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT ROADS, I REMEMBER MY FIRST COUPLE OF ROAD PROJECTS, UM, I VOTED AGAINST THEM BECAUSE I, I DIDN'T THINK WE WERE BEING THOUGHTFUL ENOUGH, SO I YOU'RE CLEARLY TAKING THE OPPORTUNITY. UM, YOU MENTIONED A QUICK BUILD AND CAN YOU JUST SAY MORE ABOUT WHAT THE QUICK BUILD IS? UM, YEAH, SO THIS, THIS OCCURS, UM, THE CONDITION [00:55:01] OVER IS AT PARK LANE AND SO IT'S GONNA BE A, A, UM, A BALLOUT THE, THE CHALLENGE AND, AND I'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION, YOU KNOW, QUITE A BIT WITH, WITH BJORN 'CAUSE WE'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, SEE A MORE HARDENED, UM, KIND OF BALL OUT, BUT WE CAN'T, IT'S, THIS AREA IS SO FLAT, SO THE, THE SORT OF QUICK BUILD PUTTING ON, YOU KNOW, PUTTING IN PAINT, TIGHTENING UP THAT CURB RADII AND PUTTING VERTICAL ELEMENTS IN THERE AS WELL AS PARKING BLOCKS. SO PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA TRY TO DRIVE THROUGH IT, IT, IT TIGHTENS UP THEIR TURNING RADIUS SO THEY GO SLOWER. IT PUTS THE PEDESTRIAN FURTHER INTO THE ROADWAY. SO IT'S PAIN ON THE GROUND, YOU KNOW, VERTICAL ELEMENTS AND THAT THAT'S OCCURRING AT PARK. AND, UM, AND CAN YOU SAY WHY YOU, WE AREN'T INSTALLING SOMETHING THAT'S MORE PERMANENT? UM, I CAN'T GET THE DRAINAGE TO WORK UNLESS I START PUTTING IN MORE DRAIN INLETS. GOTCHA, OKAY. WHICH IS SORT OF, HOWARD WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT I'D HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, RUN A, A, YOU KNOW, AN EIGHT OR 12 INCH LINE OVER TO THE STORM DRAIN AND IT ENDS UP BEING A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT PROJECT AND A COST ELEMENT. WE COULD DO IT, BUT IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT $180 MILLION OF DEFERRED PAYMENT MA MAINTENANCE. YEAH, NO, I UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND. TRYING TO, YEAH. WE'RE DOING THE BEST WE CAN WITH WHAT WE'VE GOT. YEAH. RIGHT. UM, IN GENERAL, I'M, I'M CURIOUS AS TO WHAT, WHAT OUR ARBORIST WAS TRYING TO SOLVE FOR WHEN THEY SELECTED THE RED BUDS AND I, MAYBE THEY'RE NOT HERE OR NOT ON THE LINE OR WHATEVER. YEAH, I, UM, RAISE YOUR QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY WE WOULD CHOOSE TO WELL, WE GOT, WELL THE TWO TREES ARE THE, THE AGRI FOLIA AND THE, AND THE RED BUD AND, AND, UM, THE RED BUD IS MORE KIND OF INTO THE BUSH, BUSH TYPE MM-HMM. , YOU KNOW, ELEMENT. SO I DON'T, I, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO ANSWER FOR 'EM. I CAN CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, UH, COME BACK AND, AND GET AN ANSWER OF WHAT, WHAT THEY WERE THINKING ON IT. MM-HMM. . UM, I, I WOULD BE, I'D BE SPECULATING IT'S WAY OUTTA MY PAY GRADE. I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE, THAT IMPORTANT TOPIC. , I GUESS MY, MY THOUGHTS ARE ON, ON STREET TREES IS LIKE CANOPY RIGHT. IS LIKE REALLY IMPORTANT AND RED BUDS JUST ARE NOT REALLY KNOWN FOR THEIR CANOPY. YEAH. YEAH. GO FOR IT. UM, I, I, I WOULD ASSUME THAT RED BUDS, IF THEY'RE OVERHEAD LINES IS PROBABLY THE RED BUTTS ARE PLANTED UNDERNEATH THE LINES. AH, YOU'RE RIGHT. UM, AND SO I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A THING. UM, THERE ARE BETTER CHOICES AND SO, UM, I WOULD JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT. OKAY. UM, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, AND THEN APPRECIATE THE QUESTIONS ABOUT BIOSWALES. UM, I'D CERTAINLY LIKE TO SEE MORE OF THOSE, UM, ON THE, THE TOPIC OF BUFFERED BIKE LANES. UM, I'D ENCOURAGE US TO JUST GO RIGHT TO SOMETHING PHYSICAL. MM-HMM. , UM, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, IF IT DOESN'T STOP A CAR, IT'S NOT REALLY A PROTECTED BIKE LANE, IT'S JUST AN ILLUSION OF ONE. AND I THINK, UM, WE'RE SEEING THE GREEN THINGS GETTING KNOCKED DOWN AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THOSE ARE CARS THAT COULD HIT BIKES. UM, SO I'D PREFER TO SEE US PUT IN, YOU KNOW, CONCRETE, UM, AND, AND START TO, UM, REALLY, YOU KNOW, HARDEN OUR PROTECTED BIKE LANES. UM, I THINK WITH THE NUMBER OF SCHOOLS AND PARKS THAT ARE HERE, THERE'S, UM, YOU KNOW, I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR RAISED CROSSINGS, UM, SPECIFICALLY COMING OUT OF LUCCHESE PARK ACROSS, UM, RIGHT THERE THAT'S SORT OF LIKE A MID-BLOCK AREA THAT DOESN'T HAVE STOP SIGNS, I DON'T THINK TOO CLOSE TO IT. UM, AND IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO HAVE A RAISED CROSSING TO JUST REALLY SORT OF GIVE, UH, GIVE PEDESTRIANS TRULY THE RIGHT OF WAY AND SOME SAFETY THERE. UM, BUT EVEN AT THE, YOU KNOW, AT THE SCHOOL TOO, BUT THERE'S A COUPLE OF PLACES, UM, MAYBE IT'S NOT THE BEST THING BECAUSE IT'S A TRANSIT ROUTE, I'M NOT SURE. BUT, UM, IT CERTAINLY CROSSED MY ATTENTION. AND THEN I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT YOU IDENTIFIED THE, THE VALUE OF MARIA FROM A CROSSTOWN CONNECTION STANDPOINT TO GETTING TO LYNCH CREEK TRAIL AND GETTING TO, UM, I ALWAYS FORGET THE OTHER ONES. UH, WASHINGTON. WASHINGTON WAS TRAIL WASHINGTON CREEK TRAIL. YEP. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WOULD MAKE THIS A REALLY GOOD CROSSTOWN CONNECTOR OR WOULD MAKE A BIG IMPROVEMENT TO THIS AS A CROSSTOWN CONNECTOR IS IF WE WENT DOWN TO THE MCKENZIE CROSSING AND PUT A RAMP THERE AT THE BASE OF IT, IF WE COULD SHOEHORN THAT IN THERE IF POSSIBLE. IT'S, UM, IT'S REALLY UNSAFE ACTUALLY COMING DOWN THAT ON A BICYCLE OR, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT IF WE COULD YEAH. FROM, FROM SOUTH MCDOWELL DOWN TO THE MCKINSEY CROSSING. YEAH. JUST RIGHT WHERE YOU LIKE, LITERALLY. 'CAUSE YOU HAVE TO YEAH. SIGN THEN GO UP. UM, BUT I JUST ON THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE, UM, CONTRACTS ROUTING RIGHT NOW TO, TO STEADY THE VARIOUS CROSSINGS. THAT'S ONE. CORONA IS THE OTHER, UM, RAINIER [01:00:01] AND LYNCH CREEK, THOSE FOUR CROSSINGS ARE ALL PART OF A, A STUDY THAT IS GONNA BE GOING ON THIS NEXT YEAR, WHICH I'LL, I'LL BE COMING BACK TO PEE BACK ON, SO. GOTCHA. I'LL ALSO, SORRY KEN, I ALSO ADD, UM, JEFF STUTSMAN AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT, UM, POSSIBILITY OF SOME INTERIM FIXES THERE WITH THAT OVERCROSSING AND, UM, TO IMPROVE SOME OF THE ACCESSIBILITY. AND THE, THE BIG QUESTION IS JUST THE FACT THAT, UH, IT'S A CALTRANS FACILITY, SO WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT KIND OF WHAT WE CAN GET AWAY WITH AND, AND WHAT WE MIGHT NEED PERMISSION TO DO, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME, SOME HOPEFULLY NEAR TERM FIXES THERE. AWESOME. MADE MY NIGHT. THANK YOU . THAT'S ALL I HAVE. GREAT, THANKS. UM, I WILL JUST SECOND COMMENTS. I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD, SO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR COMMENTS. UH, THANKS, KEN. THIS WAS GREAT. I LIVE IN THIS AREA, SO I KNOW A LOT ABOUT IT. UM, AND CAN SPEAK TO IT. UM, QUESTION, WILL THE, UH, PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AT LAUREN, WILL IT BE BEFORE OR AFTER THE DIP? SO WHEN YOU TURN INTO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, THE, THE REASON WHY I'M ASKING IS PEOPLE WILL OFTEN GUN THAT LIGHT, THE LEFT TURN LIGHT. SO IF YOU'RE HEADING EAST ON WASHINGTON, TURNING NORTH ONTO MARIA, PEOPLE WILL GUN THAT, UM, LEFT TURN. AND SO I'M WONDERING, IS THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALK GOING TO BE AFTER THE DIP THAT YOU'RE ADDING THERE? ? UM, AND THIS IS FACING ON YOUR SCREENS? THIS IS FACING, UH, NORTH ON MARIA FACING AWAY FROM THE INTERSECTION RIGHT NOW. YEAH. FACING AWAY FROM WASHINGTON. I DON'T, UM, IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED. YEAH. JUST 'CAUSE OF THE WAY THAT PEOPLE TURN, RIGHT? THAT, RIGHT. WELL, WE DIDN'T, WE'VE IMPROVED THAT WHOLE, THAT WHOLE AREA. UM, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE WHICH, WHICH SIDE IT'S ON. I APOLOGIZE. YEAH. 'CAUSE THERE'S THAT, AND SO RIGHT NOW THAT CROSSWALK, THAT PICTURE THAT HE'S SHOWING, IT'S, THAT'S NOR OH, I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN. YOU ARE ADDING A CROSSWALK ON LAUREN. YEAH. AND YOU'RE GONNA KEEP THAT OTHER ONE. OKAY. OH, WE'RE KEEPING THE OTHER ONE? YEAH. OKAY. WE'RE ADDING IT. I THOUGHT YOU WERE JUST GOING TO MAKE THAT. NO. OKAY. NO, NO. OKAY, SO THEN IT, THAT IS OKAY. I, I UNDERSTAND THAT QUESTION, THAT PIECE NOW, AND WE ARE TIGHTENING UP ALL THOSE, THOSE RADIUS, SO I HOPE PEOPLE APPRECIATE THAT. 'CAUSE IT'S ACTUALLY, IT'S NOT, IT'S, IT'S A GOOD BIT OF WORK AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, I THINK WILL, WILL HELP IMPROVE JUST GENERALLY CALM TRAFFIC. I MEAN, THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH HE CAN DO PHYSICALLY, BUT THAT'S, I THINK, TIGHTENING THE CURB RADII, SO. RIGHT. UM, THE OTHER THING I THINK THAT PEOPLE HAD ASKED ABOUT IS, YOU KNOW, MORE BULB OUTS FOR TREES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. I THINK THAT WOULD BE AMAZING. BUT THAT PIECE OF, THAT STRETCH THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT, THE ISSUE THERE IS THAT THE HOMES ARE VERY SMALL. THEY'RE AROUND 1100 SQUARE FEET, SO, AND THEY HAVE A ONE CAR GARAGE. SO WHAT MOST PEOPLE DO IS THEY RENOVATE THAT GARAGE INTO A LIVING SPACE. SO THEN THEY ONLY, AND THEN THE, THE DRIVEWAY IS NOT A TWO CAR DRIVEWAY, SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE PARKING THERE. YEAH. THAT WHOLE AREA IS SET UP THAT WAY. UM, WHICH THEN, UM, BROUGHT ME TO, UH, WILL THAT BE ANNOUNCED THAT THOSE WILL BE GOING IN THE, THE PROPERTY OWNERS AT SOME POINT WILL KNOW THAT AHEAD OF TIME. YEAH. I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I, I NEED TO DO AND GO OUT THERE AND, AND, AND BASICALLY KNOCK ON THE DOORS. THERE'S, IT'S JUST A HANDFUL AND I, I KNOW ONE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS, YEAH, THANK YOU. YEP. UM, WITH THE TREES AND THE HEIGHT, WITH THE POWER LINES, UM, THAT WAS GREAT THAT YOU BROUGHT UP THE HEIGHT THING BECAUSE ON MADISON, THIS IS A CONTINUOUS ISSUE TOO. UM, BECAUSE THE TREES GROW SO HIGH, THEY GO THROUGH AND THEY CUT 'EM, AND YOU END UP WITH TREES THAT ARE DEFUNCT. YEAH. SO MAYBE THE CHOICE IS THERE, IT'S LIKE A BALANCE OF THE CANOPY VERSUS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE POWER LINES. YEAH. AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION IS, DURING THAT CONSTRUCTION, IS MARIA GOING TO BE CLOSED TO ALL THROUGH TRAFFIC? DO HAVE YOU GUYS EVEN DECIDED THAT THAT MIGHT BE WAY TOO? WELL, IT'S, IT'S MORE OF A CONTRACTOR'S MEANS AND METHODS, BUT TYPICALLY WHAT THEY WOULD DO WOULD BE TO CLOSE HALF THE, THE ROADWAY. SO THEY WOULD GO AHEAD AND DO, YOU KNOW, IF IT, ASSUMING IT'S 40 FEET, IT VARIES, BUT SAY 40 FEET, THEY DO 20 FOOT OF IT IN 1, 1 1 PASS AND THEN COME BACK AND DO THE OTHER, THE OTHER SIDE. SO THAT'S TYPICALLY HOW IT, HOW THEY'VE YOU STRUCTURED THIS. UM, THEY WOULDN'T, UH, THEY WOULDN'T SHUT DOWN THE WHOLE ROADWAY IN, IN A, IN A LONG TERM, YOU KNOW, EXTENDED PERIOD. OKAY. OKAY. THAT WAS MY MAIN QUESTION. JUST BECAUSE SO MANY CYCLISTS AND KIDS GO THROUGH THAT ROUTE TO THE TWO SCHOOLS AND THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS. [01:05:01] THANK YOU. UM, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE ONLINE FEEDBACK. DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE RESPONDED? YOU KNOW, IT WAS, IT WAS A COUPLE HANDFUL. IT WASN'T MANY. AND WE HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING AND, UM, I MEAN, IT WAS LESS THAN FIVE, I THINK. YEAH. I THINK WE HAD AROUND 10 MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AT THAT. IT WAS, IT WAS, UH, IT WAS AN ONLINE MEETING. YEAH. EVENING MEETING. YEAH, WE DID. OKAY. SO AND SO, AND THERE'S NO MORE PLANS FOR OUTREACH OTHER THAN THROUGH THE CITY WEBSITE AT THIS POINT? NO. OKAY. NO. YEAH. UM, I WANTED TO, I'M CURIOUS IF THE CITY HAS AN ADOPTED TREE PROGRAM OR IF THAT'S SOMETHING MAYBE THE AD HOC COULD CONSIDER. UM, AND THEN I, I AGREE THAT THE WESTERN RED BUTT IS TOO SMALL AND DOESN'T OFFER ANY CLIMATE BENEFITS. BUT I'M WONDERING, I KNOW WE'RE TALKING A LOT ABOUT THE POWER LINES. IS THERE ANY KIND OF, UM, LIKE CONSIDERATION FOR TRUCKS THAT HAVE TO DRIVE THROUGH THERE? LIKE DO, DO TREES NEED TO BE A CERTAIN HEIGHT OR BE TRIMMED TO A CERTAIN HEIGHT? LIKE I THINK IT'S 13 FEET OF CLEARANCE AND, UM, TRUCK ROUTES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? RIGHT. YEAH, NO, THAT'S, THAT'S DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, PART OF HOW THE TREE IS DEVELOPED. AND, AND I WAS JUST UP ON KELLER AND, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW THE TYPE OF TREE, BUT BOY, THEY'VE, THEY'VE DONE IT, IT'S WELLS FARGO AND THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB IN JUST PRUNING THE TREES GOING UP THERE. SO YOU'VE GOT A, YOU KNOW, A, A TALL VEHICLE YOU CAN PARK RIGHT UP AGAINST THE CURB AND IT, IT WORKS REALLY WELL THERE. UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING IN THE LONG TERM, THE MAINTENANCE THAT GOES ON HAS TO BE, YOU KNOW, THE RIGHT TREE AND TRIMMED CORRECTLY. SO I LIKE AND YOU SAID THE, THE WELLS FOR THE TREE ARE FOUR BY FOUR? UM, NO, THESE, NO, THESE, THESE ARE AN EXTENDED, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, 20 TO 20 PLUS FEET IN LENGTH. OH, THE BULL, THE BULL BOUT IS FOUR FEET IN LENGTH. YEAH. YEAH. AND THE WHOLE THING IS, I MEAN, I'M NOT, IT'S ALL, IT'S A, IT'S A GREENERY AREA WE'RE PUTTING IN OTHER, YOU KNOW. OKAY. BECAUSE I THINK THAT FOR LARGE TREES IT'S SIX FEET. UM, WHICH, SO FOUR FEET MIGHT BE TOO SMALL FOR A SYCAMORE. YEAH, I'D, I, I'D HAVE TO CHECK WITH THE ARBORIST ON THAT. UM, AND I'M, I WAS ALSO, I LOVE THE SYCAMORE AND I LIKE THAT IDEA. AND THEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE MAP AND I, I WAS JUST THINKING, IS THIS, I CAN'T PICTURE THE TREES IN THAT AREA IS TRYING TO LOOK ON GOOGLE MAPS, BUT IF WE HAD 10 SYCAMORES IN ONE MILE, WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE, YOU KNOW, PLACEMAKING OR SOMETHING? WOULD IT BE TOO DISRUPTIVE TO THE VIEW RATHER THAN HAVING A DIVERSITY OF TREES? SO MAYBE, RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW IF HAVING A DIVERSITY OF LONDON PLAIN OR SOME OTHER TREES IN THERE WOULD BE KIND OF HELPFUL FOR THAT ENVIRONMENT. YEAH, I, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A DISCUSSION, THE TREE COMMITTEE AND I'D LIKE, YOU KNOW, AN AD HOC COMMITTEE. IT'S LIKE, UH, YOU'RE GONNA HEAR FROM ME ON KENTUCKY AND WE'VE GOT ALL THE CHINESE PIST, WHAT ELSE DO WE WANT TO PUT IN THERE? AND MAYBE IT'S STAY WITH CHINESE PIST. MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING ELSE. SO, YEAH. AND I WANTED JUST TO ECHO, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER BARNAL IN ASEL MEYER'S COMMENTS ABOUT PROTECTED BIKE LANES AS WELL. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, BRN, WOULD YOU MIND BRINGING UP THE MAP OF WHERE THIS, UH, TREE IMPROVEMENTS ARE GONNA BE? I DON'T THINK IT'S IN THE PRESENTATION. YEAH. BUT I GUESS I WAS JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, IS IT THE KIND OF THE NORTH SIDE VERSUS SOUTH SIDE? LOOKS LIKE THE POWER LINES ARE ON THE NORTH SIDE, BUT IF THE TREES ARE GOING ON THE SOUTH SIDE, THEN MAYBE IT'S FINE. I DON'T KNOW. SOMETHING JUST TO LOOK AT. I DON'T WANNA TAKE TOO MUCH TIME 'CAUSE I KNOW WE'VE GOT A LOT. UH, BUT YEAH, JUST WANTED TO ALSO ECHO THE COMMENTS AROUND THE BUFFERED BIKE LANE. OH YEAH. SO IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE ON, THERE'S ONE ON THE NORTH AND TWO ON THE SOUTH, SO MAYBE IT'S JUST THAT NORTHERN ONE THAT'S GONNA BE INTERFERING WITH POWER LINES. THE OTHER ONES MIGHT BE MORE OPEN TO THE SKY. UM, I ANYMORE ARE THEY? YEAH. NORTH OF WASHINGTON. OH, I WAS LOOKING AT THE SAME THING. IT'S, YOU GET NORTH SIDE OF WASHINGTON, YOU HAVE THE, UH, ABOVE GROUND POWER LINES. YEAH. OKAY. SOUTH OF THERE. IT'S BELOW, BUT I THINK THOSE ARE ALL . OKAY. WELL, SOUNDS GOOD. SOMETHING TO FIGURE OUT, LOOK AT. BUT UH, YEAH, SO IN TERMS OF JUST BEING ABLE TO HAVE THAT, I GUESS CONTINUOUS BUFFERED BIKE LANE, I THINK [01:10:01] IDEALLY FROM KIND OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE FULL EXTENT OF MARIA TO MCKENZIE IS JUST REALLY IMPORTANT TO CONNECT SCHOOLS AND IS PART OF THIS TRANSITION. I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE OF CONNECTING THE CITY FOR ALL AGES AND ALL TYPES, BUT I YEAH, FEEL THE PRESSURE OF BEING ABLE TO PARK YOUR JOB AND POOR TRANSIT AND THESE ISSUES AS WELL. SO I FEEL STUCK BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE ON THAT. UH, THE ONE THING I WANTED TO ALSO ASK IS IF THERE'S KINDA, IF THERE'S ANY OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC ART IN SOME CAPACITY. UH, ONE WAS KIND OF THINKING ABOUT THE ROAD DURING THE REPAVING. YES. THERE'S PAINT, PAINT WEARS OFF ALTERNATIVE TYPES OF MATERIALS MAYBE THAT COULD BE USED THOUGH. I WAS JUST THINKING IN PARTICULAR IN FRONT OF THE SCHOOLS OR IN, IN FRONT OF THE TRANSIT, JUST AS SOMETHING TO KIND OF DO SOME PLACEMAKING, BUT RIGHT. UM, I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT WOULD YEAH, I HAVEN'T TALKED TO DAVID WARD ABOUT IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE MAYBE SOME SORT OF DECORATIVE CONCRETE OR YEAH. SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. IT'S MORE LASTING, BUT RIGHT. CAN GIVE A YEAH. SENSE OF PLACE KIND OF ON THE YEAH. SIDEWALK OR NOT SIDEWALK ON THE STREET AS WELL. UM, AND THEN ON THE, I WAS ALSO THINKING ABOUT, YEAH, THERE ALL THE, THE SOUND WALLS. I MEAN, OTHER PLACES HAVE BEAUTIFUL MURALS. YEAH. CAN WE CONTRACT? I KNOW THAT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY AND SO FORTH, BUT THERE MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY THERE, ESPECIALLY AT THOSE KIND OF INTERSECTIONS. UH, AND THEN YEAH, I LOVE THAT THERE'S AN AD HOC COMMITTEE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT TREES. UH, I WAS, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO THINK ABOUT DIFFERENT METRICS, AND MAYBE THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE, BUT IN TERMS OF IF, IF GROWTH RATE MIGHT BE EQUIVALENT TO KIND OF THE CO TWO SEQUESTRATION RATE, THAT'D BE REALLY GREAT TO KNOW. I THINK ADDRESSING URBAN HEAT ISLAND EFFECT, OBVIOUSLY CANOPY IS A GOOD PROXY FOR THAT AND ROOT STRUCTURE. I'M SURE THERE'S OTHER THINGS WE CAN KIND OF CATEGORIZE THESE TREES BY, BY JUST THINKING ABOUT THE VARIETY OF DIFFERENT GOALS WE HAVE. IT'D BE GOOD TO BE ABLE TO WEIGH ALL THOSE TOGETHER AT THE SAME TIME. AND I THINK THAT'S ALL MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU, FRANKLIN. SURE. THANK YOU. UH, UH, I CAN MAKE THIS JUST REAL QUICK. I, THE ONLY THING I WAS GONNA ADD IS, UM, CONSIDER THAT AREA RIGHT OUTSIDE THE SOCCER FIELD AND THE BASEBALL FIELD. UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TRAFFIC AROUND, YOU KNOW, GAME TIMES AND STUFF. SO YEAH, THAT WHOLE AREA, I'VE RECONFIGURED IT AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY A, UM, WE'VE REDONE THE DRIVEWAYS AND WE'VE DOING A ONE WAY IN, ONE WAY OUT. UM, SO I'VE, I'VE HEARD FROM FOLKS WHO HAVE TO TAKE THEIR KIDS TO THE LITTLE LEAGUE PRACTICE AND WHAT IT, IT'S VERY, UM, IT'S A BIT OF CHAOS IN THAT AREA. SO WE'VE, WE'VE GONE THROUGH AND RECONFIGURED, UM, THAT AREA TO ALLOW FOR A BETTER FLOW OF TRAFFIC. I DIDN'T MENTION THAT IN THIS, BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID DO. WE WERE WORKING WITH, UH, PARKS ON THAT AND YEAH. THAT'S GREAT. AND I, YOU KNOW, I'LL JUST GIVE A PLUG. YOU KNOW, PETALUMA HAS A RICH HISTORY, YOU KNOW, WITH OUR LITTLE LEAGUE BASEBALL, AND THIS PROJECT IS GONE RIGHT. BY TWO OF OUR FIELDS. YEAH. SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU THINK ABOUT ANY KIND OF, UH, ART OR ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, DOING SOMETHING THAT, THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, CELEBRATES THE BASEBALL ON THAT STREET. YEAH. THANK YOU. COMMITTEE MEMBER TAR. THANK YOU, KEN. UM, YOU SAID IN THE REPORT THAT, UM, THERE WAS NEW SIGNAGE AND MARKINGS THAT WERE GONNA BE ALONG. MARIA, CAN YOU TELL US MORE ABOUT THAT, HOW THAT WILL ENHANCE OUR CROSSWALKS? WELL, THE SIGNAGE IS, IS, YOU KNOW, BETTER SIGNAGE FOR WHERE WE'VE GOT CROSSINGS AND SO, YOU KNOW, MORE, UM, MORE VISIBILITY TO THE CROSSINGS THAT ARE THERE. AND THEN THE MARKINGS, NARROWING THE LANES, PUTTING IN EDGE LINES. THERE'S A LOT OF PAVEMENT IN PETALUMA WHERE YOU JUST, IT'S JUST BLACKTOP. THERE'S NO PAINT, SO THERE'S NO NO CONTEXT. BUT IF WE, WE ACTUALLY CREATE NARROWED LANES, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, A PROVEN EFFECT OF BEING ABLE TO SLOW, YOU KNOW, VEHICULAR TRAFFIC DOWN WITH THAT. SO, UM, THAT'S, AND THEN THE SPEED GRADATION MARKINGS GOING UP TO THE DIPS THAT ARE OVER AT LAUREN AND, AND, UH, UM, UH, UM, MADISON THERE. SO, YEAH. THANK YOU. THAT'S, THAT'S ALL. I JUST NEEDED TO HEAR THAT. YEAH. YEAH. I HAD A FEELING THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE GOING TO SAY. YEAH. [01:15:01] UM, THE CROSSWALK AT E EAST WASHINGTON TRANSIT CENTER, WHAT IS THAT GONNA LOOK LIKE? IS THERE, AND MY OTHER ISSUE IS COULD WE MOVE THAT, COULD WE MAKE A BULB, A TRANSIT, A BUS BULB IN, INTO THAT SAFEWAY CENTER? OH, I WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT. YOU KNOW, IT'S, THAT'S, GET IT OFF THE STREET, THAT TOPIC. SO YEAH, WE'VE SPENT A FAIR AMOUNT OF TIME WITH TRANSIT AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, JARED IS, HAS, UM, PURSUED THAT FOR, FOR QUITE A WHILE, AND THAT WAS LIKE THE FIRST THING HE SAID. IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO GO INTO THIS AREA. AND WE TALKED TO 'EM AND THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY, SOME DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS GOING IN THERE WHERE THEY WERE GONNA, IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS GONNA MOVE FORWARD THEN THE DEVELOPER BACKED OUT. UM, YEAH. I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT YOU, WE TALK ABOUT A NEW CROSSWALK THERE. YEAH. BUT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET HALFWAY INTO THE ROAD TO LOOK AROUND THE, THE EDGE OF THE BUS DEFY, I MEAN, YOU CAN BE IN THE CROSSWALK, BUT YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SEE BOTH DIRECTIONS BECAUSE OF THE BUS. YEAH, NO, THE, THE, THE VIEW CORRIDORS THAT'LL BE GENERATED, IT'S NOT, UH, THE PEDESTRIAN WILL BE, IT'S GONNA BE, THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING IS GONNA BE WHAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT. UM, IT'S GONNA BE CLOSER TO PARK STREET. IT'S GONNA BE FURTHER AWAY FROM SOUTH MCDOWELL. AND SO THAT, THAT WHOLE VISIBILITY ASPECT IS SOMETHING THAT'S DEFINITELY, WE'VE GONE THROUGH AND THOUGHT ABOUT AND MADE SURE WE GOT THE PROPER PLACEMENT. AND SO CAN'T, BECAUSE I KNOW, I KNOW OUR ROAD NARROWS THERE CONSIDERABLY. I SAY AGAIN, I MEAN THAT, THAT AREA OF MARIA GETS NARROW NARROW YEAH. AS YOU COME INTO THAT, THAT SECTION. YEAH. YEAH. WHICH MEANS THERE ISN'T A LOT OF ROADWAY TO DO MUCH WITH. RIGHT, RIGHT. YEAH. YEAH. THERE'S, I MEAN, THE, THE, THE CONFIGURATION OF THE BUS MOVEMENTS AND TRYING TO MANAGE THAT WITH WHERE THE CROSSING WOULD GO, BUT STILL ALLOW ACCESS FOR THE TRUCKS INTO THE BACKSIDE OF SAFEWAY AND WHERE PARK IS, I MEAN, ALL THAT HAS BEEN DESIGNED, UM, ELEMENTS THAT, THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH, YOU KNOW? OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN I HAVE JUST TWO MORE COMMENTS. ONE IS I LOVE THE EXPANSION OF, UM, THE PURPLE PIPELINES ON THE EAST SIDE. IT'S AWESOME THAT WE'RE REALLY, REALLY PICKING UP A LOT OF SPACE THIS YEAR. YEAH. AND THEN THE LAST THING IS, UH, LIKE MY FELLOW COMMITTEE MEMBERS PROTECTED BIKE LANES, UM, ARE THE NAME OF OUR GAME THESE DAYS. SO IF WE COULD, UM, CREATE THAT ON MARIA, THAT WOULD BE LOVELY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER YES, I SAVED MY LOAN BIKE AND PED COMMENT FOR WHEN THAT COMMITTEE CAME AROUND. AGAIN, A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT, UM, CROSSWALKS IN GENERAL, AND THIS MAY HAVE BEEN SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP IN THE PAST. YOU KNOW, I DO A LOT OF WORK IN CORD MADERA, AND THEY HAVE A PEDESTRIAN FLAG PROGRAM THERE. UM, AND I KNOW I WAS READING ABOUT IT, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT CONTENTIOUS. THE CITY THOUGHT THEY WOULD NEED INSURANCE OR SOMETHING, BUT THEY DIDN'T. BUT NOW IT BASICALLY WORKS WHERE PEDESTRIAN TAKES, YOU KNOW, VISIBILITY FLAG FROM ONE SIDE OF A CROSSWALK OVER TO THE OTHER, PUTS IT IN A STATION. AND I WAS LIKE, THAT'S SUCH A SIMPLE IDEA. SUCH A GOOD IDEA. AND THIS MIGHT BE A PROJECT TO TRY THAT BECAUSE IT IS HIGHLY TRAFFICKED ROAD, PEOPLE SPEEDING SPORTS FIELDS WITH KIDS WALKING. HAS THIS BEEN CONSIDERED, WOULD THIS BE A PROJECT THAT COULD DO THIS KIND OF PROGRAM? UH, YEAH. ANY, ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? I, YOU KNOW, I'M PROBABLY NOT THE BEST PERSON TO TALK ABOUT PEDESTRIAN FLAGS. I'M GONNA GIVE THAT TO BJORN. I WOULD SAY THAT IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK INTO. UM, YOU KNOW, FROM A A DESIGN GOAL, I THINK OUR, OUR AIM IS TO MAKE CROSSWALKS, UH, SO SAFE AND, AND, UH, EYE CATCHING THAT FLAGS WOULDN'T BE NECESSARY . AND ALSO TO SLOW TRAFFIC TO A SPEED THAT, THAT, AND PUT PLACE PEDESTRIANS IN A VERY VISIBLE LOCATION WHERE, UH, DRIVERS ARE LIKELY OR MUCH MORE, ALMOST CERTAIN TO YIELD TO THEM. UM, THAT'S A, THAT'S REALLY THE MARK OF A SUCCESSFUL CROSSWALK. SO, UM, I'LL JUST KIND OF SHARE THAT AS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO START WITH OUR DESIGN, BUT, UM, SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT ON TOP OF THAT POINT. NOTED. I APPRECIATE THE ENGINEER'S PERSPECTIVE. I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT. 'CAUSE I, I THOUGHT IT WAS AN INTERESTING IDEA THERE. SO, THANKS. AND THERE HAS BEEN, UH, EXAMPLES OF SIMILAR THINGS, UM, OVER ON MOUNTAIN VIEW. DAN, LIKE, HAD, LIKE PEDESTRIAN LIKE HATCHETS THAT HE MADE THE WOODWORKER AND IT WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, GIVING THE PEDESTRIANS LIKE MORE OF THE, THE VIOLENT POWER TO LIKE, TELL PEOPLE TO SLOW DOWN. UM, YEAH, WE'VE GOT EXAMPLES OF THAT. LOCAL . YEAH. I LIKE FLAGS BETTER THAN HATCHETS, BUT , YES. THANK YOU. UM, I, UM, I'M IN THE PRESIDIO IN SAN FRANCISCO QUITE A LOT. [01:20:01] MM-HMM. , UM, ESPECIALLY IF YOU GET OFF AT PRESIDIO AND THEN GO UP TO THE PRESIDIO GATE, UM, WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IN THERE FOR THAT TRAFFIC CIRCLE. UM, THERE, THERE ARE RUBBER, UH, ELEMENTS THAT ARE ON THE STREET. AND THEN ALSO THEIR, THEIR BIKE LANES ARE PROTECTED. I THINK THEY'RE NOT JUST FLIMSY BALLARDS OR SOME, THEY'RE MORE SUBSTANTIAL BALLARDS. SO, UM, THAT'S JUST A NICE EXAMPLE THAT I, I THINK I BROUGHT UP BEFORE. BUT, UM, IT ALSO SEEMS TO BE A NICE, IT AN INEXPENSIVE WAY THAN JUST USING PAINT. SO YOU'VE GOT A, YOU'VE GOT A, A TIRE BARRIER THERE. UM, I, UH, THE OTHER THING ABOUT ISLANDS, THE BALL BOUTS IS THAT, UM, YEAH, THERE'S CERTAINLY CLIMATE MITIGATIONS AND, AND, UM, AND, UH, THEY CAN ALSO BE, UH, HABITAT ISLANDS. SO YOU'VE GOT THESE PARKS ALONG THE WAY THERE. SO THESE HABITAT ISLANDS CAN ACTUALLY BE, BE THESE NATURE BRIDGES TO CONNECT, CONNECT HABITAT. UM, I ALWAYS BRING UP THE, THE WEST SIDE DRIVE-IN AND IN NEW YORK CITY, UH, WITH THE, THE WAY THAT THE PEDESTRIANS ARE, AND THE BIKES ARE COMPLETELY SEPARATE FROM THE CITY BY PLANTERS, WHICH IS BRILLIANT. BUT I, I UNDERSTAND IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE. UM, AND I WAS JUST GONNA POINT OUT LONDON PLANE TREES ARE SYCAMORES, , . AND, UM, I JUST WAS CURIOUS TO WHAT THE SPEED LIMIT IS THERE. I ASSUME IT'S 25 MILES AN HOUR. CAN IT GO DOWN TO 15? WELL, UM, YEAH. SO THAT, I MEAN, THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION. IT'S 25, 80 FIFTH PERCENTILE IS 27. UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IT'S THE OUTLIER SPEEDS, AND THAT MAKES A BIG IMPRESSION ON PEOPLE. THERE'S SPEEDING ON MARIA, BUT, UM, THE DATA DOESN'T NECESSARILY DIRECTLY SAY THAT, BUT I DO FEEL BECAUSE OF THE SCHOOL, BECAUSE OF THE PARKS AND THE AMOUNT OF, OF, YOU KNOW, PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC AND SUCH, UM, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT REDUCING THE SPEED. AND SO THIS NEXT YEAR, UM, ASSEMBLY BILL 43 IS GONNA COME IN. AND WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS GO TO COUNCIL. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT BJORN AND, AND JEFF, STU AND MYSELF ARE WORKING ON TO, UM, ALLOW US TO, TO REDUCE SPEED LIMITS, UH, AROUND SCHOOLS TO 15 AND 20. UM, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S NEEDED THROUGHOUT, THROUGHOUT PETALUMA. AND THERE'S ALSO DISCUSSION OF, YOU KNOW, A PUBLIC, UH, OUTREACH CAMPAIGN, SLOW THE FAST DOWN IS THE CURRENT THEME. THERE COULD BE, YOU KNOW, OTHER, OTHER MANTRAS, BUT TRYING TO GET SOMETHING OUT THERE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST GIVES PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A LITTLE PAUSE TO, YOU KNOW, BACK OFF AND NOT GO AS QUICKLY, UM, ON THE ROAD. SO IT, UM, UM, SO YEAH. YEAH. THANK YOU, KEN. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, CLERK, WERE THERE ANY COMMENT CARDS RECEIVED ON THIS? OKAY, NO COMMENT. CARDS RECEIVED. THANK YOU. SO [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] WE WILL MOVE TO APPROVAL OF MINUTES. UM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES FOR OCTOBER 4TH? NO. THEN THE MINUTES WILL BE APPROVED AS IS, AND WE [PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION] CAN MOVE TO PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION. ITEM FOUR IS PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS RELATED TO THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION TREE PLANTINGS AND RELATED LANDSCAPING. AND THIS IS, I'M SORRY, WHO IS PRESENTING THIS? UH, GOOD EVENING. UH, MY NAME IS PLANNING MANAGER ANDREW TRIPLE. HI. I'LL BE PRESENTING THIS EVENING, AND, UH, I'M JOINED BY, UH, SENIOR PLANNER HEATHER GRITZ, WHO IS, UH, NOT IN PERSON, BUT SHE'S AVAILABLE VIA ZOOM. SO GOOD EVENING. IT'S, UH, PROBABLY GOING TO TAKE ME JUST A MOMENT. I'LL NEED TO LOG INTO ZOOM IN ORDER TO, UH, PRESENT RECORDING IN PROGRESS. SHALL I BEGIN? THANK YOU. OKAY, GREAT. WELL, UH, GOOD EVENING CHAIRS, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR, UH, YOUR TIME THIS EVENING. OUR PRESENTATION THIS EVENING AS A PROJECT, [01:25:01] UH, THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON IS THE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS PROJECT. AND, UM, WE'LL BEGIN THIS EVENING'S PRESENTATION BY A BIT OF AN OVERVIEW ABOUT, UH, THE OBJECTIVE DESI DESIGN STANDARDS AND WHY THEY'RE, UH, IMPORTANT AND NECESSARY, UM, AS WELL AS WORK TO ESTABLISH, UH, SOME, SOME SHARED LANGUAGE AND EXPECTATIONS FOR THE PROJECT. AND THEN, UH, FROM THERE, UH, WE'LL MOVE INTO THE, UM, PROJECT SPECIFICALLY AND, UM, AND SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE STANDARDS. AND I'M HAVING SOME TROUBLE MOVING TO A FULL PRESENTATION MODE, YOU THINK, CONTROL, THAT'S NOT, OH, THERE WE GO. OKAY. THANKS, . IT TOOK YOU COMING OVER HERE. BJORN . SO THIS, THE, UH, THIS IS THE, UH, DRAFT VERSION OF THE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS PROJECT. AND, UH, THE PROJECT IS INTENDED, THERE'S VARIOUS STATE LAWS, SB THREE 30, UH, SB 35 AND AB 2162, THAT HAVE THE EFFECT OF LIMITING OR STREAMLINING, UH, PLANNING AND CITY WELL CITYWIDE REVIEW INCLUDING, UM, UH, BUILDING REVIEW AND SUCH OF QUALIFYING RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS. SO THAT'S, UH, ONE KEY TO KEEP IN MIND ABOUT THE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS IS THAT THESE STANDARDS ARE ONLY APPLICABLE TO QUALIFYING, UM, RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS. NOW, THOSE RES, THOSE QUALIFYING PROJECTS MAY HAVE A COMMERCIAL COMPONENT TO THEM, SO THEY COULD BE A, A MIXED USE PROJECT THAT CONSISTS OF COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL USES, BUT THEY DO HAVE TO MEET CERTAIN CRITERIA IN ORDER TO QUALIFY. UM, THEY ALSO BUILD UPON EXISTING STANDARDS THAT, THAT ARE PRESENT IN THE BUILDING CODE, THE FIRE CODE, STREET STANDARDS, WATER CONSERVATION STANDARDS, UM, ZONING, INCLUDING THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS CONTAINED IN THE IMPLEMENTING ZONING ORDINANCE, THE OBJECTIVE SUBDIVISION STANDARDS CONTAINED IN OUR, UM, UH, SUBDIVISION CHAPTER AND, UM, AT ANY OTHER OBJECTIVE STANDARDS. SO WE REALLY LOOK AT THEM COLLECTIVELY AS THE BUNDLE OF STANDARDS THAT'S BEEN ADOPTED BY THE CITY THAT CAN REGULATE DEVELOPMENT AND COMPLIANCE WITH THOSE STANDARDS. WHAT'S BEEN LACKING FOR US HAS BEEN, UH, A SET OF DESIGN STANDARDS THAT WE CAN USE TO, UM, TO ACHIEVE THE GOOD QUALITY DESIGN THAT WE SEEK IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND SO THAT'S WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS PROJECT IS. AND SO IN TERMS OF, UH, THE MUNICIPAL CODE AND HOW THE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS WOULD BE APPLIED, THEY, UH, THEY APPLY TO PRIVATE PROPERTY, SO PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS AND, UM, AND THEIR CONNECTIVITY WITH THE STREETS. AND THEN THE GOAL IS TO FILL THE GAPS AND, AND SUPPORT THE EXISTING CODES WITHOUT BEING DUPLICATIVE OR CREATING AN EXCESSIVE BURDEN THAT PREVENTS AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. AND SO THAT IS A KEY COMPONENT OF WHEN WE'VE WORKED TO DRAFT THESE STANDARDS TO ENSURE THAT THEY'RE ACHIEVABLE, FEASIBLE, AND IMPLEMENTABLE, BECAUSE A MAJORITY OF THOSE QUALIFYING PROJECTS WILL EITHER BE A 100% AFFORDABLE OR 50% AFFORDABLE. SO THAT IS ONE OF THE PRIMARY ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA FOR, UH, THESE QUALIFYING PROJECTS. AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT ESTABLISHING STANDARDS THAT WOULD INCREASE COSTS SUCH THAT IT WOULD PREVENT THE DEVELOPMENT OF, UM, HOUSING. SO SOME OF THE KEY TERMS THAT, THAT WE REFER TO AND, AND ARE, ARE USEFUL ARE MINISTERIAL REVIEW, AND THAT'S A REVIEW FOR COMPLIANCE WITH OBJECTIVE STANDARDS. THERE'S NO OPPORTUNITY FOR, UM, INTERPRETATION BY A REVIEW AUTHORITY. SO IF WE THINK ABOUT IT, OFTENTIMES SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, UM, CAN PROPOSE A PROJECT, PERHAPS IT'S IN A, UH, ADDITION TO A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, AND A MAJORITY OF THAT TIME, THAT PROPOSAL WOULD COME FORWARD AS A BUILDING PERMIT. THE BUILDING PERMIT IS REVIEWED FOR COMPLIANCE WITH OBJECTIVE STANDARDS CONTAINED IN THE BUILDING CODE AND FIRE CODES, BUT AS WELL AS DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS CONTAINED IN THE IMPLEMENTING ZONING ORDINANCE. SO SETBACKS, LOT COVERAGE AND SO FORTH. BUT THERE'S NO OPPORTUNITY FOR DISCRETIONARY REVIEW OR SUBJECT SUBJECTIVE REVIEW THAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE PROVIDED BY PLANNING COMMISSION HCPC OR ANOTHER REVIEW AUTHORITY. SO THAT'S THE PRIMARY DIFFERENCE. [01:30:01] WE DON'T HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO BE SUBJECTIVE AND TO REQUIRE SOMETHING MORE OF THE PROJECT OR TO PASS A QUASI-JUDICIAL, UH, JUDGMENT ON THE PROJECT THAT COMPARES TO DISCRETIONARY REVIEW, WHERE WE DO HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT THROUGH, UM, THE, THE PROCESSES GRANTED IN THE IMPLEMENTING ZONING ORDINANCE. SO, UH, WE HAVE, LET'S SAY WE HAVE A MARKET RATE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT PROJECT COME FORWARD, AND THAT PROJECT WOULD NOT BE A QUALIFYING PROJECT. AND SO IT WOULD GO ON THEN TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND BE, AND, UH, BE SUBJECT TO SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW WHERE THE PLANNING COMMISSION COULD MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT, UM, SITE LAYOUT. IT COULD, IT COULD, UM, REQUIRE CERTAIN CONDITIONS THROUGH CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL RELATED TO DESIGN ELEMENTS AND SO FORTH. SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THAT ESSENTIAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE CITY'S ABILITY TO EXERCISE DISCRETION VERSUS WHAT THE STATE LAW HAS DONE TO LIMIT THE CITY'S ABILITY TO DO SO BY CREATING THE STREAMLINING PROCESS FOR QUALIFYING RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS. AND SO THERE, YOU SEE, I'VE ALREADY USED THE TERMS OBJECTIVE REVIEW AND QUALIFYING RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS IN TRYING TO DESCRIBE THAT DIFFERENCE IN REVIEW TYPES. SO THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS WHERE THE PROJECT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO DISCRETIONARY REVIEW. SO THE, UH, THE, THE PROJECT WOULD GO THROUGH THE PLANNING ENTITLEMENT PROCESS. UH, IT WOULD BE REVIEWED FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, UH, AND STANDARDS CONTAINED IN THE SMART CODE. UH, IT WOULD ALSO BE REVIEWED BY OTHER CITIES AND OUTSIDE AGENCIES AS REQUIRED. AND THEN IT WOULD COME FORWARD TO ONE OF OUR REVIEW AUTHORITIES, UH, WHO WOULD REVIEW IT TO MAKE FINDINGS, TO APPROVE THE PROJECT. THEN DURING THE BUILDING PERMIT REVIEW, UH, STAGE AFTER IT WOULD GO ON FOR ITS REQUIRED BUILDING PERMIT, THEN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, FIRE DEPARTMENT AND PUBLIC WORKS WOULD REVIEW FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THEIR STANDARDS. SO TYPICALLY WHEN WE LOOK AT THE STANDARDS FOR THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND DIVISIONS, THEY'LL, THEY'LL BE CONSIDERED, UM, OBJECTIVE. THEY MAY HAVE SOME LATITUDE FOR HOW THEY'RE APPLIED, BUT THEY'RE STILL CONSIDERED OBJECTIVE AND COMPLIANCE AS REQUIRED. WE CAN CONTRAST THAT WITH A QUALIFYING RESIDENTIAL PROJECT, UM, WHICH, UH, COULD ONLY BE REVIEWED AGAINST OBJECTIVE STANDARDS THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS. SO IN THAT CASE, THEN IT WOULD GO THROUGH THE PLANNING REVIEW PROCESS. IT MAY GO THROUGH AS PART AS A BUILDING PERMIT. SO FOR INSTANCE, AN S WHAT WE CALL AN SSB 35 PROJECT IS A, UH, ONE OF THE ESSENTIAL QUALIFYING CHARACTERISTICS OF SB 35 PROJECTS IS THAT THERE ARE 100% RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS, UH, THAT ARE 100% AFFORDABLE AS WELL. AND SO THOSE PROJECTS, AFTER GOING THROUGH A PROCESS OF SUBMITTING A LETTER OF INTENT AND DEMONSTRATING THAT THEY'RE ELIGIBLE, UH, THEN CAN SUBMIT A BUILDING PERMIT FOR REVIEW. AND SO THAT, THAT, THAT ABBREVIATED REVIEW PROCESS HAS, UM, TWO PRIMARY CHARACTERISTICS TO IT. THE FIRST CHARACTERISTICS IS THAT IT SPEEDS UP THE REVIEW PROCESS. AND IN DOING SO, THEN THE, THE PROJECT PROPONENTS, THEY GAIN, THEY REDUCE RISK, AND THEY GAIN CERTAINTY THAT COMPLIANCE WITH THE OBJECTIVE STANDARDS WILL ENSURE THAT THEIR PROJECT WOULD BE APPROVED AND COULD THEN MOVE ON INTO CONSTRUCTION. THE OTHER VERY IMPORTANT THING THAT IT DOES IS IT ELIMINATES THE, UM, REQUIREMENT FOR ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW UNDER CE QA, BECAUSE THE TRIGGER FOR CE QA IS THAT YOU HAVE A DISCRETIONARY ACTION. SO SB 35 REMOVES THAT DISCRETIONARY ACTION, WHICH THEN ELIMINATES, UM, THE REQUIREMENT FOR ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW. SSB 35 HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR, I BELIEVE THIS IS ITS SIXTH YEAR. AND, UH, THROUGH SB 4 23 THAT WAS ADOPTED. THIS FALL, UH, I BELIEVE GOES INTO EFFECT JANUARY 1ST. IT WILL BE EXTENDED, UM, AND STRENGTHENED SLIGHTLY. THE, UH, THE OTHERS, UH, SB 2162 IS, UH, PROVIDES THE SAME STREAMLINING MEASURE FOR, UM, 100% SUPPORTIVE HOUSING PROJECTS. AND THEN SSB THREE 30 IS A STREAMLINING MEASURE, WHICH DOES ALLOW FOR DISCRETIONARY REVIEW. HOWEVER, IT, IT VESTS A PROJECT IN THOSE OBJECTIVE STANDARDS THAT ARE IN PLACE WHEN EL WHEN THE PROJECT ELIGIBILITY IS DETERMINED. AND PROJECT ELIGIBILITY DETERMINATION IS REALLY UPON THE APPLICANT, BECAUSE THE STATE LIST, THE, THE PROJECT INFORMATION THAT MUST BE SUBMITTED WITH THE PRELIMINARY APPLICATION, YOU SUBMIT THE INFORMATION PER THE STATE REQUIREMENTS, AND THEN YOU'RE AUTOMATICALLY ELIGIBLE. SO WHAT WE HAVE IS A SITUATION RIGHT [01:35:01] NOW, FOR INSTANCE, WE HAVE TWO PROJECTS THAT ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION, ONE ON, UH, NORTH WATER STREET, AND THEN 16 0 1 PETALUMA BOULEVARD SOUTH. THOSE TWO PROJECTS CAME FORWARD AS SSB 35 PROJECTS AND WENT THROUGH A MINISTERIAL REVIEW PROCESS THAT HAD THE, HAD OBJECTIVE STANDARDS IN PLACE, SUBDIVISION STANDARDS, UM, IEO DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND SO FORTH. BUT WE DID NOT HAVE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS, UH, FOR WHICH THOSE PROJECTS WOULD HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE COMPLIANCE. THEN WE DO HAVE, UM, WE HAVE AN SB 35 PROJECT THAT HAS SUBMITTED A LETTER OF INTENT THAT IS, IS WORKING THROUGH TRIBAL CONSULTATION RIGHT NOW. AND THEN WE DO HAVE TWO S THREE SB THREE 30 PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED. AND SO THOSE THREE THAT HAVE SUBMITTED PRELIMINARY APPLICATIONS, EVEN THOUGH WE ADOPT, UH, AT SOME POINT, WE'LL ADOPT THESE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS THEY'VE ALREADY VESTED, AND SO THEY WOULD NOT BE SUBJECT TO THE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS. SO I USE THAT IN PART, AS AN EXAMPLE TO TO POINT OUT THAT RIGHT NOW THROUGH THIS PROJECT, WE'RE TRYING TO CLOSE A GAP IN OUR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, IN OUR OBJECTIVE STANDARDS THAT'S EXISTED, AND THAT THAT REALLY DOES NEED TO BE CLOSED, UM, QUITE QUICKLY. UM, SO THEN IF, IF A PROJECT GOES THROUGH AND A PROJECT IS NOT, IS NOT APPROVED, MEANING THAT IT'S NOT COMPLIANT, THEN IT WOULD HAVE TO REVISE TO COMPLY OR RESUBMIT FOR DISCRETIONARY REVIEW. SO A PROJECT DOES HAVE THAT OPTION. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO SUBMIT AS AN SSB, UH, 35 PROJECT. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO SUBMIT AS AN SB THREE 30 PROJECT. IT COULD SUBMIT AS A DISCRETIONARY PROJECT AND GO THROUGH THE, THE, UM, DISCRETIONARY REVIEW PROCESS PROVIDED BY SPAR. SO SOME EXAMPLES HERE OF THE EXISTING SPAR STANDARDS AND, AND HOW WE CAN LOOK AT THE DISCRETION AND THE SUBJECTIVITY. SO FOR INSTANCE, LANDSCAPED AREAS SHALL BE ENCOURAGED BETWEEN ASPHALT AREAS IN ALL BUILDING STRUCTURES, FENCES AND PROPERTY LINES. IT'S, THAT'S MORE OF A GUIDELINE. IT'S SUGGESTIVE, IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT. NOW, THROUGH THE DISCRETIONARY PROCESS, THE PLANNING COMMISSION COULD PLACE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS ON IT THROUGH CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, BUT THE APPLICANT DOESN'T HAVE TO PRESENT WITH A PROJECT THAT NECESSARILY DOES THAT. AGAIN, UM, HARDSCAPE MAY BE USED WHERE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS IS NECESSARY AND LANDSCAPING SHOULD BE CONCENTRATED IN HIGHLY VISIBLE LOCATIONS, UH, WITH BUILDING ENTRANCES AND SITE PERIMETERS GIVEN EXTRA CONSIDERATION. SO YOU CAN SEE THERE, WHEN IN, IN OUR EXISTING STANDARDS, IT'S, IT'S VERY SUBJECTIVE. IT'S VERY SOFT, THERE'S NO CLEAR DIRECTION ON WHAT IS REQUIRED AND EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. SO THE PURPOSE OF THE PROJECT THEN IS TO CONVERT THESE SUBJECTIVE GUIDELINES TO OBJECTIVE STANDARDS. AND I WILL, I WILL SAY AT THIS POINT THAT OTHER JURISDICTIONS WHO HAVE ALREADY COMPLETED THIS, WE, WE ARE SEEING SORT OF AN EVOLUTION OF OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS FROM, UH, VERY EARLY ADOPTERS WHO HAD VERY MINIMAL DESIGN STANDARDS TO THE CITY OF MILPITAS WHO RECENTLY ADOPTED, UH, 70 PAGES WORTH OF, OF, UM, OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS. SO WE REALLY HAVE QUITE A CONTINUUM OF APPROACHES TO THOSE STANDARDS. MARIN COUNTY, UM, HAS ADOPTED, UH, FORM-BASED STANDARDS VERY SIMILAR TO OUR SMART CODE. AND, UH, WE UNDERSTAND THAT SEBASTOPOL IS LOOKING INTO THAT APPROACH AS WELL. UH, SO WE DO HAVE SOME OPTIONS THERE. I THINK, UH, ANOTHER UNIQUE DIFFERENCE IS, UH, A LOT OF JURISDICTIONS HAVE BENEFIT OF HAVING DESIGN GUIDELINES IN PLACE ALREADY. AND SO THEY WERE ABLE TO TAKE SOME OF THOSE DESIGN GUIDELINES TO QUANTIFY THEM AND MAKE THEM OBJECTIVE. BUT WE HERE AT THE CITY OF PETALUMA DO NOT HAVE DESIGN GUIDELINES. SO WE'VE REALLY HAD TO, TO INNOVATE AND CREATE THE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT WE WANT WITH A FOCUS ON WHAT ARE THOSE ESSENTIAL STANDARDS TO ENSURE GOOD QUALITY DESIGN, BUT AT THE SAME TIME BEING ACHIEVABLE, FEASIBLE, AND IMPLEMENTABLE. SO AS AN EXAMPLE, HERE WE HAVE, UM, JUST A VERY SIMPLE, SIMPLE EXAMPLE OF, UH, UNDER A DISCRETIONARY PROCESS, TRANSFORMER BOXES AND GARBAGE ENCLOSURES SHOULD BE SCREENED. AND THEN WE PROVIDE SOME MATERIAL TYPES AND, AND APPROACHES TO DOING SO THAT'S ON THE LEFT. IF WE COMPARE IT TO THE RIGHT, THEN WE HAVE ALL EQUIPMENT SHALL BE FULLY SCREENED FROM VIEW BY AN ARCHITECTURAL OR LANDSCAPE SCREEN. AND THEN WE ESTABLISH WHAT IS THAT POINT OF VIEW FOR THAT SCREENING, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S A POINT OF VIEW FROM AN AT GRADE POSITION LOOKING, LOOKING ABOVE TO A ROOFTOP, WHERE OFTENTIMES WE HAVE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT MOUNTED OR IF IT'S LOOKING, UM, ACROSS, [01:40:01] ACROSS THE LANDSCAPE AT GRADE. SO WE'VE TAKEN THAT, THAT, UM, THAT SUBJECTIVE STANDARD OR EXPECTATION, AND WE'VE CONVERTED IT INTO SOMETHING THEN THAT, THAT THE PROJECT PROPONENT CAN READ AND UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, AND THEN THAT DURING THE REVIEW PROCESS, WE CAN APPLY THAT AND DETERMINE IF THEY'VE COMPLIED WITH THAT OR NOT. SO THEN THIS EVENING WE'VE PROVIDED YOU WITH THE DRAFT OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS, AND THIS EVENING WE'RE ASKING YOU, UM, UH, TO REVIEW IN TERMS OF SITE DESIGN FOR CIRCULATION AND ACCESS FOR BICYCLE PARKING, AND THEN FOR LANDSCAPING, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE TREE PLANTINGS. UM, A NOTE ON THE PROCESS TO THIS, AT THIS POINT, THE, UH, PROJECT STARTED IN 2021. UM, WE'VE TAKEN IT TO, UH, TWO STUDY SESSIONS SINCE THEN, AND THEN DEVELOPED THE DRAFT STANDARDS WITH INPUT, UH, FROM PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, ESPECIALLY RE RELATED TO GOALS FOR THE PROJECT. THE DRAFT STANDARDS HAVE THEN BEEN EVOLVED. WE'VE WORKED WITH STAKEHOLDER GROUPS, INCLUDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS AND REPRESENTATIVES FROM OUR LOCAL LAND USE AND DESIGN PROFESSIONAL COMMUNITY. UM, AND IN FACT, WE, WE JUST HAD A MEETING THE OTHER DAY WITH SOME DESIGN PROFESSIONALS TO CONTINUE TO RE FURTHER REFINE THEM. SO THESE DRAFT, UH, STANDARDS REALLY ARE, UM, AN EVOLUTION. AND WE MOVE TOWARDS, UM, A PLANNING COMMISSION STUDY SESSION AT THE END OF NOVEMBER. THE PROJECT IS FUNDED IN PART BY FUNDS FROM HCD, AND THOSE FUNDS DO EXPIRE AT THE END OF THE YEAR. AND SO WE DO, UH, NEED TO TAKE IT BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION IN DECEMBER FOR A PUBLIC HEARING TO RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL. THE, UM, THE HCD, THE, THE CONTRACT READS THAT THE, THE DESIGN OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS WOULD NEED TO BE ADOPTED, BUT WE HAVE CONFIRMED WITH HCD THAT A PLANNING COMMISSION PUBLIC HEARING TO RECOMMEND TWO COUNCIL ADOPTION, UM, WOULD SATISFY THAT REQUIREMENT FOR THE CONTRACT. SO THE FIVE GOALS THAT ARE, THAT ARE DRIVING AND, UM, GUIDING US FIRST, THAT, THAT THE DESIGN OF PLACES REFLECTS THE PETALUMA COMMUNITY AND, UH, CAN CONTRIBUTE TO ITS PHYSICAL, ECONOMIC, SOCIAL, AND CULTURAL CHARACTER. UH, WE WANT DESIGNS THAT WILL EMPHASIZE THE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED ENVIRONMENT, UH, WHERE BUILDINGS IN THE PUBLIC REALM SIGN ARE COHESIVE AND COMPLIMENTARY ACROSS A RANGE OF USES. WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT THE SPACES THAT ARE DESIGNED, RECOGNIZED AND SUPPORT RESIDENTS AND WORKERS' ACTIVITIES, UM, FROM A, A DIVERSITY OF PERSPECTIVES, AND THEN OF COURSE TO DESIGN SAFE, FUNCTIONAL, AND COMFORTABLE MULTIMODAL CONNECTIONS, UM, TO SUPPORT WALKING, BICYCLING AND TRANSIT, PUBLIC TRANSIT, AND THEN TO SUPPORT SUSTAINABLE BUILDING PRACTICES AND SITE DESIGN APPROACHES THAT ENHANCE RESILIENCY AND RESOURCE STEWARDSHIP, DOING ALL OF THIS WHILE AT THE SAME TIME BEING ACHIEVABLE, FEASIBLE, AND IMPLEMENTABLE. SO THERE'S A, A LOT OF PRESSURE ON THIS, AND I THINK THAT, UH, WHEN, WHEN WE PRESENTED TO PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, LAST MONTH, THEY DID ASK US TO IDENTIFY, UH, FOR THEM THOSE TENSION POINTS WHERE, WHERE WE'RE REALLY, UM, HAVING SOME CHALLENGES ACHIEVING CONSENSUS OR BEING ABLE TO ARRIVE AT AN OBJECTIVE, UM, DESIGN STANDARD THAT WE WOULD WANT TO TAKE FORWARD FOR ADOPTION. AND WE DO HAVE SEVERAL OF THOSE POINTS. SO THE FIRST TWO DESIGN FOR PETALUMA IN TERMS OF LANDSCAPE PLACEMENT AND LOCATION, OUR PLANTING MATERIALS, TREE PLANTING REQUIREMENTS, AND THEN, UM, CONSIDERING THE LANDSCAPING OF THE ENTIRETY OF THE PROJECT. SO, UH, MAKING SURE THAT, THAT THE ENTIRE OF THE SITE IS, IS, UM, ADDRESSED AND THAT THERE'S NO BARE GROUND THEN DESIGNING FOR PEOPLE. SO LOOKING AT OUR GROUND FLOOR ACTIVATION STRATEGIES, UH, WHETHER THAT'S MIXED USE OR, OR THE DESIGN OF, OF THE BUILDING FACADE AND ITS RELATIONSHIP TO THE STREET TO ENSURE THAT, UH, PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY IS SUPPORTED. AND THEN AT THE SAME TIME, ENSURING THAT WE HAVE ADEQUATE PEDESTRIAN, WELL, NOT EVEN ADEQUATE, BUT ABOVE, UH, GOING WELL BEYOND ADEQUATE FOR PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY. WE WANNA ENSURE THAT WE HAVE ACCESS TO, TO OUR RIVERS AND CREEKS AS WELL AS THAT WHERE, WHERE, UM, IT'S ADVANTAGEOUS TO HAVE EYES ON THE CREEK AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S, UM, YOU KNOW, ACTIVITIES ADJACENT TO THOSE CREEK PATHS AND SUCH THAT CAN INCREASE SAFETY, THAT THAT'S AVAILABLE. AND THEN, UM, THAT OUR ENTRYWAYS AND ARE CELEBRATED THROUGH THE PRIMARY STREET ORIENTATION. UM, LOOKS LIKE WE DROPPED A SLIDE THERE. THEN WE, WE WANT TO PORT CONNECTIVITY, UM, ENSURING THAT WE HAVE INTERNAL CONNECTIVITY REQUIREMENTS THROUGHOUT OUR LARGER SITES. UH, A MAJORITY [01:45:01] OF THE SITES THESE DAYS ARE INFILL SITES, WHICH IS INTERESTING. THEY PRESENT THEIR OWN UNIQUE CHALLENGE AS, UM, THEY DO TEND TO BE A BIT SMALLER SITES, AND SO THEY'RE CONSTRAINED BY EXISTING DEVELOPMENT. UM, BUT WHERE WE DO HAVE THOSE LARGER MULTI-BUILDING SITES, MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE INTERNALLY CONNECTED, UH, THAT THEY HAVE THOSE INTERNAL CROSSWALKS THAT, UH, WE'RE REQUIRING AMPLE BICYCLE PARKING REQUIREMENTS TO SUPPORT BICYCLE, UM, TRANSPORTATION. AND THEN AGAIN, WE SEE THE RIVER AND CREEK ACCESS. UM, THERE WE ARE, UH, WORKING WITH, WITH BJORN AND THE ACTIVE TRANS TEAM, UM, TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE COGNIZANT OF THE VARIOUS, UH, FORMS OF BIKE INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THEN ALSO THAT, UM, WE'RE INFORMED BY THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION STANDARDS RELATED TO PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED ENVIRONMENTS, BICYCLE INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, AND THEN ACCESS AND TRANSPARENCY. SO, UH, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF SOME LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS WHERE WE HAVE, WE HAVE STARTED CREATING THOSE OBJECTIVE STANDARDS FIRST. SO FIRST, UH, WE DEFINE UNUSED AREAS AND THEN REQUIRE THAT THEY MUST BE LANDSCAPED. BUT THEN WE GO VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT HOW THAT LANDSCAPING IS, IS REQUIRED AND WHERE, SO AT LEAST 50% OF A SETBACK SHALL BE PLANTED, REQUIRING A FIVE FOOT WIDE LANDSCAPE STRIP BETWEEN NEW MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT AND EXISTING, EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, A FIVE FOOT WIDE LANDSCAPE STRIP BETWEEN PARKING AND PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY. AND THEN, UM, A MINIMUM OF 100 SQUARE FEET OF LANDSCAPE PARKING AREA FOR EVERY SIX SPACES. AND THAT COULD BE IN THE FORM OF A LANDSCAPE STRIP OR, UM, A DIFFERENT SHAPE, UM, SPECIFYING THAT NO INVASIVE SPECIES OR ARTIFICIAL PLANTS MAY BE USED. UM, PLANTING SIZES FOR THE VIABILITY OF VEGETATION IS, IS, UH, SPECIFIED. AND THEN WHERE WE'VE, UH, DRAFTED STANDARDS FOR ROOF PLANTERS AND THEN TREE REQUIREMENTS, WHICH ARE, ARE RAPIDLY EVOLVING, UM, WE'VE INCLUDED TREE PLANTING REQUIREMENTS. AND THEN WE'VE LOOKED AT, UH, THESE, UM, REGULATIONS THAT WILL HELP ENSURE HEALTH AND COMPATIBILITY OF TREES WITHIN THE URBAN ENVIRONMENT. SO A MINIMUM OF, UH, 36 SQUARE FEET OF PLANTING AREA PER TREE, UH, ROOT BARRIERS REQUIRED ADJACENT TO SIDEWALKS AND PAVEMENT. AND THEN WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE REALITY OF OUR BUILT ENVIRONMENT, WHICH DOES LOOK AT, UM, ENSURING THAT THAT CANOPY IS AT LEAST FIVE FEET BELOW POWER LINES. THEN WHEN WE TURN TO FIRE CODE, FIRE CODE HAS REQUIREMENTS FOR TREE HEIGHT RELATED TO, TO, UM, ACCESS THAT THEY NEED IF THEY'RE USING, UH, LADDERS AND SO FORTH. AND THEN THIS IS, UH, SOME EXAMPLES OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID. UH, WHEN WE DO REQUIRE TREES, WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT THEY HAVE AN OPTIMAL ENVIRONMENT TO BE SUCCESSFUL. AND THEN I THINK AS, AS, UH, THE DISCUSSION WITH KEN IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THOSE TREE SPECIES THAT ARE APPROPRIATE AND WILL BE SUCCESSFUL? AND SO WE'VE HAD A VARIETY OF STAKEHOLDER RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, WORKING THROUGH OUR, OUR STAKEHOLDER GROUPS THAT INCLUDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT TEAMS AS WELL AS, UH, LAND USE, LOCAL LAND USE AND DESIGN PROFESSIONALS. UM, FOR EXAMPLE, WE, WE HAD WRITTEN IN SOME, UM, QUITE PRESCRIPTIVE FENCE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS, BUT THE, UH, THE DESIGN PROFESSIONALS WHO REVIEWED FELT THAT THEY WERE OVERLY PRESCRIPTIVE AND WOULD BE LIMITING IN TERMS OF A DESIGN APPROACH AND, AND, UM, BEING ABLE TO, UH, CREATE PROJECTS THAT ARE FEASIBLE IN TERMS OF COST. AND SO JUST, JUST THE OTHER DAY, THEY RECOMMENDED THAT WE REMOVE, UH, A MAJORITY OF THOSE FENCING REQUIREMENTS, FENCE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS. AND SO THAT'S ONE OPTION THAT WE'RE, WE'RE EXPLORING. AND THEN, UH, WE'RE REVISING OUR DEFINITIONS FOR LANDSCAPING SO THAT WE'RE ENSURING THAT, UH, WHEN WE HAVE A REQUIREMENT THAT NO UNUSED AREA OR NO BARE GROUND IS ALLOWED, THAT WE'RE WE'RE APPROPRIATELY REGULATING LANDSCAPE PLANTING AREAS, UM, PERVIOUS HARDSCAPES OR, UM, OTHER AREAS WHERE, UM, PLANTINGS MAY NOT BE ADVISABLE. UM, THE REMOVAL OF THE OPEN SPACE ADJACENT, UH, NATIVE PLANT MATERIAL REQUIREMENT WAS ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION. UH, REVISE THE ARTIFICIAL TURF REQUIREMENT, WHICH I BELIEVE IS LIMITED TO SPORTS FIELDS TO INCLUDE ORGANIC INFILL MATERIAL. UM, REMOVE THE MAXIMUM PROJECTED CANOPY HEIGHT UNDER POWER LINES. UH, WE HAD THE, WE HAD A RECOMMENDATION TO REMOVE THE INTEGRATED PEST MANAGEMENT [01:50:01] REQUIREMENT BECAUSE, UM, LANDSCAPE PROFESSIONALS SAID, WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY A PROGRAMMATIC REQUIREMENT, SO HOW DO WE WRITE THAT IN? WELL, WE WERE ABLE TO REVISE IT. AND WHAT, UH, THE REVISION THAT WE'LL BE PROPOSING IS THAT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN INCLUDES AN INTEGRATED PEST MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT ALSO HAS IMPLEMENTATION INSTRUCTIONS. SO IN THAT WAY, THEN WE'RE ABLE TO GET THAT PLAN INTO, UM, THE PROJECT REQUIREMENTS, UH, WHERE IT CAN HAVE BE ENFORCEABLE. THEN, UM, REMOVING, UH, UH, HIGH MAINTENANCE PLANTS AND TREES. PROHIBITION THAT WAS REALLY, I BELIEVE, RELATED TO, UM, TREES AND PLANTS THAT MIGHT GENERATE FRUIT OR NUTS THAT, UH, WOULD FALL ON SIDEWALKS OR ON STREETS RIGHTS AWAY AND, AND CREATE A MAINTENANCE ISSUE. UH, WE WERE ABLE TO REWRITE THAT WHERE, UH, WE WOULD ALLOW THEM, BUT THE DRIP LINE COULD NOT, UH, CROSS AT, UH, THE DRIP LINE AT MATURITY, COULD NOT CROSS INTO A STREET, A PATHWAY OR A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. SO AGAIN, JUST BEING THOUGHTFUL ABOUT THAT ENVIRONMENT WHERE, UH, THOSE, THOSE TREES MIGHT BE ABLE, PLANTS AND TREES MIGHT BE ABLE TO EXIST, BUT ALSO BEING COGNIZANT OF THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS AND THEN ALSO ADDING REQUIREMENTS TO PLANT TREES ON PROJECT SITES. WE CONTINUE TO EVOLVE THAT. THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WE'VE, WE'VE WORKED THROUGH, UM, I MEAN A DIZZYING AMOUNT OF RECOMMENDATIONS AS WE'VE TAKEN THE DRAFT STANDARDS THROUGH VARIOUS PROCESSES OF REFINEMENT. AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR COMMENTS THIS EVENING AS WELL AS, UM, STUDY SESSION WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT THE END OF THE MONTH. SO WITH THAT, I'LL GO AHEAD AND, UM, STOP SHARING AND, UH, HEATHER AND I ARE BOTH AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS TO RECEIVE RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, WHERE WE WOULD, UH, I THINK OUR PREFERENCE THIS EVENING WOULD BE TO TAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEN BE ABLE TO WORK ON INCORPORATING THEM INTO THE DRAFT THAT WILL MOVE FORWARD. OUR PLAN AFTER THIS EVENING IS TO COMPILE ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'VE BEEN RECEIVING FROM STAKEHOLDER REVIEW AND FROM THIS EVENING TO PRODUCE A PUBLIC DRAFT THAT WOULD PUBLISH NEXT WEEK, AND THEN THAT DRAFT WOULD GO FORWARD TO, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION ON NOVEMBER 28TH. SO, UH, NOVEMBER IS REALLY A, A FOR US, IT'S A MONTH OF, OF PUBLIC REVIEW AND PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH, ANDREW. SO AT THIS TIME I'LL ASK THE, UM, COMMITTEES TO ASK ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS, AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK FOR DISCUSSION. AND, UM, I'LL START AGAIN WITH THE TREE COMMITTEE. YES, DARREN, UH, THANK YOU NICOLE. AND I'LL TRY TO LIMIT THIS TO QUESTIONS AND TRY TO FOCUS IN ON TREES. UM, SO ACTUALLY ONE GENERAL COMMENT I HAD, I WOULD LOVE MORE DIAGRAMS, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE THE PRIVATE OPEN SPACE PER UNIT GUIDELINES, SOME OF THE SETBACKS AND PLANTINGS AND SETBACKS, FIVE FOOT BUFFER ZONES. I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE PLANS, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS MILPITAS, BUT AT PLANNING WE SAW ANOTHER CITY'S EXAMPLE, OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS. WHILE THEY MAY HAVE BEEN A LITTLE OVER THE TOP, ONE THING I DID LOVE IS THEY HAD LOTS OF DIAGRAMS AND IT JUST HELPS US CONCEPTUALIZE, YOU KNOW, IS THIS AN ARBITRARY METRIC OR DOES IT LOOK RIGHT AND KIND OF HELP US PLACE SOME MORE OF THESE DECISIONS? SO THAT'S A GENERAL, UM, COMMENT. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE ZION GUIDELINES, AND NOT TO ASK TOO BROAD, BUT DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT PETALUMA WILL HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS EVOLVE INTO BROAD DESIGN GUIDELINES? HMM. UH, SO GREAT QUESTION. THAT'S, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, DURING THE, UH, PRESENTATION TO PLAN AND COMMISSION AND, AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO, UH, IN RESPONSE TO YOUR FIRST QUESTION, WE DO RECOGNIZE THE NEED FOR MORE DIAGRAMS. UM, WE'VE BEEN, WE DIDN'T WANT TO GET AHEAD OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF IMAGERY FOR THE PROJECT BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT THE DRAFT STANDARDS ARE EVOLVING. AND SO WE, WE ARE IDENTIFYING WHERE, UM, THOSE DIAGRAMS CAN HAPPEN, WHERE THEY WOULD BE MOST BENEFICIAL. WE DO HAVE A LIBRARY OF DIAGRAMS THAT WE CAN USE. WE HAVE, WOULD HAVE TO TWEAK, YOU KNOW, IN INSTANCES TO MAKE THEM SPECIFIC. BUT, UM, SO THERE WILL BE MORE OF THOSE. AND IT WAS MILPITAS THAT WAS VERY HEAVY WITH THE IMAGERY. ONE THING THAT'S INTERESTING THOUGH IS, UH, YOU KNOW, DESIGN IS SO SUBJECTIVE THAT YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT USING IMAGERY OF BUILT, UM, STRUCTURES OR, OR DEVELOPED SITES BECAUSE WHAT ONE PERSON MAY LIKE, ANOTHER ONE MAY NOT LIKE. SO YOU USE IT WITH THE INTENT OF ILLUSTRATING, UH, A DESIGN REQUIREMENT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, UH, EVEN THAT'S VERY SUBJECTIVE. [01:55:01] SO WE WILL BE RELYING MORE SO ON THOSE DIAGRAMS AND, UM, THOSE SORT OF, UM, GENERAL TYPES OF IMAGERY TO SUPPORT THE REGULATIONS. UH, IN RESPONSE TO YOUR SECOND QUESTION, WE DO SEE THIS AS A, A, A FIRST STEP IN CLOSING THAT GAP IN OUR OBJECTIVE STANDARDS. AND SO LIKE WITH ALL OF OUR REGULATIONS, THEY'RE, UH, SUBJECT TO AMENDMENT AND WE CAN CONTINUE TO EVOLVE THEM, UH, WHETHER THAT HAPPENS IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING ADOPTION OR WHETHER WE WORK THROUGH 24 AND BRING FORWARD SOME AMENDMENTS AS PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN CODIFICATION PROCESS, UM, WHERE WE KNOW THAT THE IZO WILL UNDERGO A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL REWRITE. GOT IT. AND YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT AND ALL THE CONTEXT YOU'VE GIVEN ABOUT KINDA WHAT OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS DO. 'CAUSE I THINK FOR ME AND A LOT OF FOLKS, WE THOUGHT IT WAS LIKE GENERAL DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR THE CITY, AND IT'S PRETTY SPECIFIC USE CASES RIGHT NOW, BUT IF THESE ARE GOOD, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT FLOW INTO A BROADER SET OF DESIGN GUIDELINES. UM, YOU KNOW, ON PAGE EIGHT, I, I HAD A QUESTION HERE. UM, IS IT POSSIBLE WE CAN MENTION, UH, 'CAUSE ON PAGE NINE IT'S MENTIONED THAT SURFACE MATERIALS FOR, I BELIEVE IT'S FOR BIKE PARKING, TALK ABOUT THAT PERMEABLE PAVERS COULD BE USED. UH, IS THAT SOMETHING WE COULD PUT, IF WE CAN'T REQUIRE PERCENTAGE PERMEABLE, EXCUSE ME, PERMEABLE SURFACE, COULD WE AT LEAST, DO YOU THINK THERE'S VALUE IN STATING THAT THOSE SHOULD BE CONSIDERED, NOT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED? I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EXACT LANGUAGE WOULD BE 'CAUSE THESE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE OBJECTIVE STANDARDS, BUT LIKE, LIKE IT'S MENTIONED ON PAGE NINE, JUST MENTION, HEY, THIS COULD BE PERMEABLE PAVERS OR THIS COULD BE PERMEABLE SURFACE. DO, WAS THAT DISCUSSED AT ALL? 'CAUSE I KNOW PERMEABLE SURFACE HAS BEEN A BIG TOPIC IN A LOT OF, UM, MEETINGS FOR PLANNING AND PBA C AND EVERYONE ELSE, I'M, I'M GOING TO TURN TO HEATHER. HEATHER WORKS ON, ON THE STANDARDS ON A DAILY BASIS. HAVE WE, HAVE, WE LOOKED IN THAT OR MODIFIED THIS AWAY FROM THAT, UH, HEATHER, SO I DIDN'T DO A LOT WITH THE BIKE PARKING SPECIFICALLY JUST BECAUSE, UM, MATT GOING FROM FAIR PAIRS AND BJORN, UM, HAD PRETTY MUCH PUT THOSE TOGETHER AND HANDED THEM SUSS. AND ACTUALLY WHEN I GOT INVOLVED WITH THE PROJECT, THE FIRST THING I WAS ASKED TO DO WAS TO ADD IN WHAT THEY HAD GENERATED. UM, SO IN PARTICULAR, I DID NOT LOOK AT THAT. NOW AS I UNDERSTAND IT, I, I BELIEVE ANDREW, WE HAVE LOT COVERAGE REQUIREMENTS IN THE DEVELOPMENT CODE, RIGHT? RIGHT. YES. SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, THAT'S YOUR, THAT'S YOUR OBJECTIVE STANDARD THAT'S GONNA SAY HOW MUCH CAN BE PERMEABLE VERSUS NOT PERMEABLE IS YOUR LOCK COVERAGE. SO IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE NOT ADDRESSING, IT'S JUST THAT IT'S ALREADY THERE. GOT IT. OKAY. THAT'S ANOTHER GREAT POINT IS THAT SOME OF THESE ITEMS ARE LIKELY COVERED IN OVERLAPPING, AND I APPRECIATED THE REFERENCES ADDED AT THE END, OVERLAPPING OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS. UM, AND THEN KEEP TRYING TO KEEP THIS TO QUESTIONS. UM, ON PAGE 11, WE REFERENCE A COUPLE LISTS THERE. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE STREET TREE LIST, UH, A TREE TECHNICAL MANUAL THAT DOESN'T EXIST YET, THAT'S GONNA BE PRETTY IMPORTANT. UM, BUT AS WE UPDATE THOSE LISTS, I'M ASSUMING THEY'RE ALL INCLUDED BY EXTENSION. UH, AS THOSE LISTS UPDATE, THEY'LL JUST BE PART OF THIS DOCUMENT. GREAT. UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT CAME UP AGAIN THIS BELOW POWER LINES, AND THIS MAY BE TOO BROAD A QUESTION, BUT JUST ASKING, IS THERE ANY LEEWAY THE CITY HAS IN DEALING WITH PG E AND CONTRACTORS HIRED BY PG EI KNOW SOME CITIES ADVOCATE FOR LESS KIND OF AGGRESSIVE PRUNING AROUND POWER LINES. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING WHERE THE CITY IS, YOU KNOW, PUSHING BACK ON PG E OR JUST BECAUSE IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE PUTTING THAT AS A REQUIREMENT THAT THESE HAVE TO BE SMALLER TREES. I UNDERSTAND THE FEASIBILITY AND PRACTICALITY OF THAT, BUT HAVE YOU GUYS DISCUSSED, I MEAN, IS THERE ANYTHING THE CITY CAN DO TO ADVOCATE FOR HIGHER TREES AND MAYBE WORKING WITH THE PARTIES THAT WOULD BE POTENTIALLY PRUNING TREES AROUND POWER LINES TO HELP MAKE THAT POSSIBLE? OR IS THAT JUST TOO BROAD AN ISSUE FOR, FOR THESE STANDARDS? I, I THINK IT PROBABLY TOO BROAD FOR THESE STANDARDS AT THIS POINT IN TIME, BUT CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO EXPLORE AND, AND, UM, BECAUSE CERTAINLY THEY HAVE A HUGE IMPACT, RIGHT? AND, AND, UH, IT CAN SOMETIMES BE CHALLENGING TO, UH, WORK WITH THEM, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'VE GOT, WHEN THEY'VE GOT PRETTY CLEAR REQUIREMENTS FOR THEIR OWN PURPOSES. BUT WE'LL CERTAINLY, UH, TAKE THAT FORWARD. AND EVEN IF WE DON'T GET TO THAT BEFORE, UM, THIS, THESE STANDARDS ARE ADOPTED, WE CAN CONTINUE TO WORK ON IT. OKAY. I HAD A FEELING THAT'S WHY I THREW THAT QUALIFYING THERE. THANK YOU. RIGHT. UM, AND THEN ON PAGE 13 AS WELL, UH, [02:00:01] I NOTICED THE PIECE ABOUT OPEN SPACE ADJACENT MATERIALS FOR PLANTINGS NEAR RIPARIAN AND RIVER HABITATS, SAYING THAT YOU HAVE TO USE PLANT MATERIAL THAT IS ENDEMIC WITHIN 50 FEET. THIS ISN'T REALLY A QUESTION, BUT ENDEMIC, I DON'T THINK IS THE RIGHT TERM. ENDEMIC ORGANISMS ARE EXTREMELY RARE. IT MEANS THEY ONLY OCCUR IN THAT AREA. UM, SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF NATIVE, THAT'S ANOTHER FRAUGHT TERM, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANOTHER TERM THERE, UH, THAT WE CAN PICK BESIDES ENDEMIC TO SAY THAT THE THE PLANT MATERIAL SHOULD BE ENDEMIC. I THINK I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE. I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE ENDEMIC SPECIES IN THOSE AREAS. SO, WELL, WE CAN DEFINITELY REMOVE ENDEMIC . YEAH. OR JUST, JUST THINK, JUST THINK ABOUT WORD CHOICE THERE. 'CAUSE THAT'D BE PRETTY LIMITING FOR SURE. AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPERS. UM, AND THEN, SO THAT ACTUALLY CAME FROM THE RIVER ENHANCEMENT AND ACCESS PLAN, SOME OF THAT LANGUAGE, WHICH WAS LIKE ENCOURAGE THESE THINGS SO IT CAN BE REMOVED, BUT THE REASON THAT IT'S IN THERE IS THAT WAS WHAT WAS PULLED FROM THAT. OKAY. I'M SURPRISED. MAYBE, MAYBE I'M THE FOOL, BUT NOW IN MY UNDERSTANDING OF ENDEMIC, THAT WOULD BE A PRETTY NARROW, I THINK PRETTY NARROW RANGE. UM, AND THEN ON PAGE 16, I NOTICED THERE'S HABITAT PERFECT PROTECTION FENCING. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING THERE'S A SIX INCH CLEARANCE. IS THAT A SIX INCH CLEARANCE OFF THE GROUND TO ALLOW FOR WILDLIFE MOVEMENT THROUGH THE BARRIERS. OKAY. THANK YOU HEATHER. I I LOVE SEEING THAT. UH, AND THEN ON PAGE 17, IT MENTIONS, AND I DON'T WANNA MOVE TOO FAR FIELD HERE, BUT ARE HISTORIC FEATURES APPROPRIATE TO INCLUDE HERE? THIS IS KIND OF PIGGYBACKING ON SOMETHING. WE JUST HAD A, A KNOW BEFORE YOU GROW MEETING THIS LAST WEEK THAT I ATTENDED WHERE THEY TALKED ABOUT BUILDING INFILL, AFFORDABLE INFILL IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS. UH, IT WAS A WOMAN FROM ARKANSAS GIVING A PRESENTATION AND SHE TALKED ABOUT HOW THEY ENCOURAGE DEVELOPERS TO PICK CERTAIN KEY HISTORIC FEATURES FROM SAID DISTRICT AND MAKE SURE THOSE ARE IMPLEMENTED ON A FRONTAGE. AND I WROTE HERE IE PICK THREE HISTORIC FEATURES IDENTIFIED IN THE RELEVANT HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHETHER THAT WOULD BE THE TERM. I THINK WE HAVE A TERM ABOUT ACCENT FEATURE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UH, THAT MUST BE A PART OF THE STREET FRONTAGE OF THE BUILDING. IS ANYTHING LIKE THAT POSSIBLE, OR IS THAT, AGAIN, NOT REALLY IN THE FRAME OF, OF THE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARD? I AM HAPPY TO LOOK AT THAT. YEAH, I'M, I'M THINKING THAT WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT CAREFULLY AND SEE IF WE CAN GET TO AN OBJECTIVE STANDARD FOR SOME OF THOSE FEATURES. UM, BECAUSE I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO BE PRETTY EXPLICIT. AND RIGHT NOW, I DON'T THINK OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES, THEY TEND TO BE MORE ON THE GENERAL SIDE, SO. OKAY. UH, GOT IT. AND THEN I THINK EVERYTHING ELSE I HAVE HERE IS A COMMENT OR EVEN BIGGER DISCUSSION POINT. SO, UH, THAT'S IT FOR MY QUESTIONS. THANKS. GREAT QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE ON TREE? UH, THANK YOU. UM, ON, ON PAGE TWO, THE, UM, PURPOSE. IT SEEMS LIKE SEVERAL OF THOSE ARE VERY SUBJECTIVE, HARD TO DEFINE PURPOSES, LIKE, UM, UM, UH, PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED ENVIRONMENT WHERE BUILDINGS AND PUBLIC ROOM DESIGN OR COHESIVE AND COMPLEMENTARY OF A DIVERSE RANGE OF USE. AND HOW DO YOU DEFINE THAT OBJECTIVELY? WELL, I, THE, SO I WOULD VIEW, I WOULD READ THAT AS A GOAL STATEMENT OR AS A VISION STATEMENT. SO WE WOULD, YOU WOULD LOOK ACROSS THE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING AND SAY TO WHAT EXTENT DID THEY ACHIEVE THAT GOAL? UM, WE COULDN'T, WE WOULDN'T LOOK AT A PROJECT AND MAKE THAT DECISION ABOUT A PROJECT ITSELF BASED ON THE CHARACTERISTICS. BUT THAT PURPOSE STATEMENT, UH, REALLY HELPS TO GUIDE THE, UM, THE STANDARDS THEMSELVES AS A REGULATORY DOCUMENT. ALL RIGHT. UM, PEDESTRIAN ORIENTATION, PAGE THREE, BUILDING FAC AT THE BOTTOM, BUILDING FACADES THAT ARE HIGHLY ARTICULATED AS STREET LEVEL WITH INTERESTING USES OF MATERIALS, COLOR ARCHITECTURAL DETAILING LOCATED DIRECTLY BEHIND THE SIDEWALK. WHAT'S INTERESTING, HOW DO YOU DEFINE THAT? MM-HMM, . AND THEN WE GO ON, DON'T WE GO ON TO, TO PROVIDE A LIST OF THAT THEY WOULD SELECT FROM THE, UH, AMENITIES RELATED TO STREET LEVEL? I MEAN THAT LIST OF BULLET POINTS? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE RELATING TO? I'M SORRY, WHAT? WHERE ARE YOU SEEING THIS? WELL, I GUESS I'M THE FIRST BULLET POINT UNDER THE PRODEINE ORIENTATION SOUNDS BOTTOM OF PAGE THREE. VERY DIFFICULT TO, [02:05:01] UM, MEASURE OR DEFINE. SO TO REQUIRE THAT THE, UH, THAT THE, UM, GROUND LEVEL, UM, BUILDING FEATURES ARE INTERESTING. HE'S ASKING HOW DO YOU DEFINE INTERESTING? YEAH. TO WHO? MM-HMM. . ANYWAY. SO, UM, ON PAGE FIVE, UH, THE DIAGRAM OF A SITE PLAN OF BUILDINGS, I'M NOT SURE HOW, HOW ACCURATE THAT NEEDS TO BE, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT HAS ALL KINDS OF PARKWAYS AND THINGS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE PART OF, OF THE REQUIREMENT, OR IF IT IS, THEN IT OUGHT TO BE DEFINED BETTER. UM, CIRCULATION ACCESS HAS THAT DIAGRAM OF THE BUILDING. UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S PARKWAYS ALL AROUND THE PROJECT, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S REQUIRED OR NOT. OKAY. SORRY. I WAS A COUPLE STEPS BEHIND. SO ON THE DEFINITION FOR THE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTATION, UM, SO THAT DEFINITION IS ACTUALLY FROM THE SMART CODE, UM, AND WE WERE TRYING TO MAINTAIN CONSISTENCY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. SO, UM, THAT IS WHY IT'S IN HERE. UM, BUT I, I HAVE ACTUALLY PLAYED WITH TAKING IT OUT BECAUSE WE DID CREATE A, UM, A DIFFERENT DEFINITION FOR, UM, GROUND LEVEL ACTIVATING STRATEGIES, WHICH I LIKE BETTER . SO, UM, BUT I, I AGREE THAT THERE'S, THIS IS NOT A OBJECTIVE DEFINITION, UM, IN THERE. YEAH. AND IT, IT FEELS THE SITE PLAN LOOKS ILLUSIONARY QUITE OPEN AND GREEN WHEN I'M NOT SURE THE STANDARDS, UH, ESTABLISHED THAT. SO, UM, I, I GUESS I'M ASKING YOU TO USE SOMETHING THAT'S ACCURATE AS OPPOSED TO, UH, LOOKS GOOD, BUT IT, WE'RE NOT GONNA GET IT. UH, ON, UH, ON PAGE, UH, EIGHT LANDSCAPING, I, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME STUDIES DONE ON PARKING LOTS ON HOW TO ACHIEVE TREE, THE PROPER TREE SPACING OR TREE PLANTING, OR THE AMOUNT OF HOW THE AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPE IS USED. THERE'S, THERE'S MANY WAYS TO DO IT, AND WE MIGHT WANNA SHOW THREE OR FOUR EXAMPLES. THESE ARE ACCEPTABLE. UH, AND OR, AND ALSO FIND OUT ARE THEY ACCEPTABLE FIRST FOR OUR STANDPOINT. BUT, UM, I MEAN, I HATE TO SEE A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET IN ONE LOCATION, OR, OR IT'S SPLIT DIFFERENT WAYS AND NOT USED EFFICIENTLY TO SCALE, SCALE THE PARKING DOWN. SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THE MORE STUDIES ON WHAT DO WE THINK WORKS AND THEN HOW TO COMMUNICATE THAT. UM, ON PAGE 10, UM, THIS CLARIFICATION, IT, SEE IT SAYS, UM, ON, ON FENCING B UH, PROHIBIT CONCRETE FACADE THAT MATCHES THE MAIN STRUCTURE, UH, SUCH AS SIDING OR PLASTER, AND THEN STUCCO IS PROHIBITED. CONCRETE WALLS OVER FOUR FEET ARE SUBSTITUTE BUILDING CODE STANDARDS. THE, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN STUCCO AND PLASTER IS IN YOUR MIND IS WHAT, BECAUSE PLASTER HANDMADE HAND, UH, APPLIED PLASTER IS A VERY EXPENSIVE PROCESS. MOST PLASTER BUILDINGS ARE MACHINE APPLIANCE STUCCO. SO I MEAN, I, I BE CAREFUL ON WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE ASKING FOR. MM-HMM. , WHEN THIS WENT IN, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT STUCCO IS A TEXTURED SORT OF, UM, UH, DIMENSIONAL SURFACE. UM, BUT ARE DESIGNERS HAVE SAID THAT IT'S NOT, SO WE'VE ACTUALLY JUST CHANGED THAT. WE'LL, WE'RE HAPPY TO REMOVE THAT. WELL, I THINK MACHINE APPLIED STUCCO WITH WHAT MOST LOW INCOME OR LOWER COST THINGS ARE BUILT OUT. SO, UM, STUCCO OR CONCRETE FENCES MAY HAVE, MAY SHALL NOT HAVE SMOOTH FLAT SURFACE AS WELL. YOU JUST SAID ABOVE THAT STUCCO IS NOT, IS PROHIBITED. UH, AND YOU PROBABLY WON'T HAVE A CONCRETE, PROBABLY HAVE A CONCRETE PREFAB FENCE, I GUESS, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE SMOOTH FLAT SURFACE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE. AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND FOR MURALS OR PUBLIC ART COVERING A MINIMUM OF 50% OF THE AREA OF THE FENCE. WHAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT [02:10:01] I WE'RE EVEN HAVING THAT, WELL, JUST EARLIER THIS EVENING, WE RECOMMENDED ADDING MURALS TO THE SOUND WALLS. SO I THINK THIS IS GETTING AT THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING THAT VISUAL ATTRACTIVENESS. AND, UH, SO, OKAY, SO A, A MURAL IS WHAT? ART GRAFFITI MM-HMM. PAINT. IT WOULD BE EXPECTED TO BE SOME SORT OF , SOMETHING ATTRACTIVE, YOU HOPE. I DON'T THINK IT'S, I, I DON'T THINK MOST PEOPLE WOULD ENVISION STREET ART, BUT SOME SORT OF, UM, ORGANIZED APPROACHMENT. I WOULD TRY TO PUT MURALS OF THAT IN, IN ANOTHER CATEGORY THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH DESIGN OR ART. IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A THING THAT YOU SAY, LISTEN, JUST WE'RE GONNA DO FIVE MURALS IN THIS PROJECT. I MEAN, IT, IT, I'M NOT SURE WHAT ROLE, I HAVEN'T SEEN MURALS THAT, OTHER THAN ART MURALS ON BUILDINGS AS AN ART PROJECT, BUT AS PART OF A PROJECT DESIGN, I, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'LL GET, UM, UH, LANDSCAPING LANDSCAPE STANDARDS. THERE'S, UH, LANDSCAPING MAYBE IN THE FORM OF TREE SHRUBS, HEDGE ROWS. UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT A HEDGE ROW IS IN PETALUMA. IS IT, I MEAN, HEDGE ROWS TO ME WERE TREE ROWS THAT PROTECT THE CITRUS CROPS FROM WIND, OR IN ENGLAND, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PROP THEIR BOUNDARIES OF FARMS. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE MEAN BY HEDGEROWS. IT SOUNDS LIKE A, A ANCIENT NAME. UM, HIGHWAY ADJACENT SITES, UM, SHALL INSTALL A LANDSCAPING STRIP NO LESS THAN SIX FEET WIDE BETWEEN THE ROAD AND THE PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY. THAT INCLUDES A TREE EVERY 30 FEET. OKAY. WELL, I MEAN, THAT'S A, OKAY. THAT'S FINE. UM, AND THEN ON LIGHTING OF FIXTURES TO, UM, PRIMARY BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN PATHWAY SHALL BE LIT BY FIXTURES NO TALLER THAN 42 INCHES. THAT RE THAT IS A BALL OF LIGHT. UH, MY EXPERIENCE WITH BOTTLE LIGHTS IS THEY'RE BRIGHTER IN YOUR FACE THAN THEY ARE ON THE GROUND, AND THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY THE MOST EFFICIENT OR THE MOST ATTRACTIVE LIGHT FOR A PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY. AND THEY'RE VERY, UH, VISIBLE. THEY CAN BE DEPENDING ON THE FIXTURE, BUT IT CAN BE VERY VISIBLE FROM THE VEHICULAR LEVEL EYE LEVEL. SO I QUESTION WHETHER WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE THERE. UM, AND I AGREE WITH DARREN, WHERE IF WE CAN, LIKE, ON BUILDING DESIGN, IF WE CAN SHOW EXAMPLES OF WHAT YOU MEAN BY BALCONIES, THAT PROJECT OR BOX OR BAY WINDOWS, UH, JUST CLEAR EXAMPLES OF WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. UM, UM, THAT'S ABOUT IT. GREAT. THANK YOU. I HAVE FOUR QUESTIONS AND I'LL SAVE MY COMMENTS. RIGHT. UM, OKAY. SO MY FIRST QUESTION IS, CAN YOU PLEASE REPEAT, ANDREW? UM, ARE YOU, I KNOW WE'VE BEEN WANTING, UM, DESIGN STANDARDS FOR PETALUMA FOR AT LEAST FOUR YEARS NOW, AND WE STILL DON'T HAVE THEM RIGHT NOW. WE ARE MAKING A JUMP IN BECAUSE TO DO THE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS, 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING RIGHT. AND WE WANNA PROTECT OURSELVES. DID YOU SAY THAT AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, MAYBE BY THE END OF 2026 AND TH THREE MORE YEARS, WHEN THE GENERAL PLAN IS FINISHED, WE WILL HAVE DESIGN STANDARDS AND AT THAT TIME THE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS WILL MAP TO THOSE, IT'LL BE A REFRESH. IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? NO, NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID AT ALL. OKAY. WHAT I SAID WAS THAT THE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT WE'RE REVIEWING RIGHT NOW COULD EVOLVE THROUGH AMENDMENTS AND THROUGH THE PROCESS OF CODIFYING THE GENERAL PLAN, THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD STILL HAVE THE STATUS OF OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS IN THE ICO, BUT THEY COULD BE EVOLVED. SO I ARE YOU, ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT DESIGN STANDARDS OR DESIGN GUIDELINES? UM, I THINK, UM, MAYBE DESIGN GUIDELINES. OKAY. WHICH I UNDERSTAND WE DON'T HAVE, RIGHT. WE DON'T HAVE DESIGN GUIDELINES. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK, UH, WE WOULD WANT TO LOOK AT AS PART OF THE [02:15:01] GENERAL PLAN, PART OF THE GENERAL IMPLEMENTATION PROCESS. OKAY. RIGHT. BECAUSE OKAY. MM-HMM. , THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND THEN MY SECOND QUESTION IS, UM, YOU MENTIONED STAKEHOLDERS AND THEY'VE GOT, THEY'VE GOT PUSHBACK. WHO ARE THESE STAKEHOLDERS? THEY ARE, UH, DESIGN AND LAND USE PROFESSIONALS, AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPERS. UH, THERE ARE SOME COMMUNITY MEMBERS. I BELIEVE URBAN CHAT CONTRIBUTED TO URBAN CHAT. OKAY. MEMBERS, SO THEY'RE A DEVELOPER. UM, HE'S A DEVELOPER, RIGHT. DEVELOPER CONSULTANT. I'M NOT GONNA ARGUE MA'AM ABOUT WHAT IT IS, BUT WE DO HAVE STAKEHOLDERS FROM A VARIETY OF ORGANIZATIONS. OKAY. SO WHAT I WANNA BE, AND I CAN PROVIDE CLEAR ON IS THAT WE'VE HAD, UM, PETALUMA GETS A LOT OF PUSHBACK THAT WE, UM, BUY INTO EARLY ON. AND I FEEL LIKE IT PUTS US IN A BOX WHERE WE'RE KIND OF LIKE GIVING A LOT OF WEIGHT PREMATURELY. UM, THAT REALLY, WE LOSE A LOT OF NEGOTIATING POWER DOWN THE ROAD WHEN WE DO THAT. I'VE JUST SEEN THAT ON LOTS OF DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS. BUT, UM, I'D LIKE TO, UM, US TO, TO HAVE CLARITY ON ARE THESE JUST THEIR WISHLIST OR IS THERE SOME WAITING SCHEME? ARE THESE POTENTIAL DEAL BREAKERS THAT THEY'RE GONNA TAKE US TO COURT FOR? 'CAUSE I REALLY DON'T WANT PARAMETERS TO COME IN ON OUR FEEDBACK IF IT'S THEIR WISHLIST BECAUSE THEY'RE DEVELOPERS AND THEY WANT CERTAIN THINGS. I MEAN, TO ME, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING TO WEIGHT UP TO THE MAXIMUM WEIGHT AS A FACTOR IN OUR DECISION MAKING PROCESS, WHICH IS MULTIFACTORIAL. OKAY. I'M NOT SURE, IS THERE A QUESTION? SO YOU DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER WHETHER IT'S A WISHLIST OR IT'S, I I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE QUESTION IS. THE QUESTION IS DO THE, DO THE DRAFT STANDARDS REPRESENT A WISH LIST? THE STAKE STAKEHOLDER FEEDBACK? YOU HAD A SIDE SLIDE THAT SAID STAKEHOLDER FEEDBACK. ARE THOSE DEAL BREAKERS OR ARE THOSE WISHLISTS SORTS OF THINGS? I, THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS FROM, FROM PROFESSIONALS ON WHAT, FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE, WHAT THEY SEE THAT COULD BE IMPROVED. WE, WE, THEY CAN DO TREAT THEM AS RECOMMENDATIONS. SOME OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS WILL COME FORWARD TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR REVIEW OKAY. DURING THE STUDY SESSION. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. OKAY. AND THEN, UM, I'D JUST LIKE TO, UM, ASK FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARIFICATION. YOU MENTIONED THAT QUANTIFYING, UM, STANDARDS OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS AROUND ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS CAN BE TRICKY. UM, I WENT ON TO, I DID SOME RESEARCH ON THIS AND IN MARIN COUNTY, I WENT TO OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR MULTIPLE CITIES. AND FOR EXAMPLE, MILL VALLEY, THEY'VE GOT A LIST OF SOMETHING LIKE A 12 DIFFERENT ARCHITECTURAL STYLES, AND IT'S THE MOST BEAUTIFUL PLUG AND PLAY WEB-BASED, INTERACTIVE DESIGN COMPONENT FOR A DEVELOPER. DO YOU WANT QUEEN END STYLE? DO YOU WANT FARMHOUSE STYLE? DO YOU WANT ALL THESE ARCHITECTURAL STYLES? AND THEY JUST DRAG AND DROP AND IT'S MULTIPLE WINDOW SCHEMES, MULTIPLE WHEN, EXCUSE ME, WINDOW TREATMENTS, EVERYTHING FROM ENTRYWAYS TO BALCONIES AND IT'S BEAUTIFUL. MM-HMM. . AND I FEEL LIKE IF THEY CAN DO THAT IN A PLUG AND PLAY, AND ALL OF MARIN COUNTY DID THAT MM-HMM. , UM, WHY ARE WE LOOKING AT JUST A LINEAR LIST HERE? AND CAN WE EXPLORE DOING SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY GONNA GET US FURTHER DOWN THE LINE SO THAT WHEN SOMEBODY WANTS TO DO INFILL IN OUR HISTORIC DOWNTOWN, WE CAN SHOW THEM YEAH. THESE ARE HISTORIC ELEMENTS. WELL, UH, SO MARINE COUNTY, WHEN THEY STARTED THEIR PROCESS IN I BELIEVE 2018, THEY POOLED ALL OF THE FUNDING THAT WAS RECEIVED FROM HCD. WELL, I THINK, I THINK THERE WERE 10 OR 11 JURISDICTIONS THAT POOLED THEIR HCD FUNDING THROUGH THE SSB TWO GRANT TO HIGHER OPTIC COAST TO DEVELOP FORM-BASED STANDARDS FOR OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS. AND SO OPTICO WENT THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND CREATED THE FORM-BASED CODE. IT'S A, IT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE AS, AS THE SMART CODE HERE IN PETALUMA THAT APPLIES TO THE CENTRAL PETALUMA SPECIFIC PLAN AREA. WHEN THEY DID THAT, HOWEVER, THEY DID IT IN A MANNER THAT INDIVIDUAL JURISDICTIONS COULD GO THROUGH, UH, A COMMUNITY CHARACTER IDENTIFICATION PROCESS AND DRAW FROM THOSE STANDARDS AND APPLY THEM TO CREATE THEIR OWN OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT ARE REFLECTIVE OF, OF THEIR COMMUNITY. SO I THINK THAT IT'S, IT'S AN INTERESTING PROCESS. THEY WERE, THEY WERE, AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THEY'RE THE ONLY, UH, COUNTY IN, IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA WHO'S TAKING A FORM-BASED CODE APPROACH TO OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS. I THINK THAT HAD WE STARTED OUT WITH THAT IDEA, INITIALLY, WE COULD HAVE DONE THAT. BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME TO, TO ESSENTIALLY STOP THIS PROJECT AND START A NEW [02:20:01] PROJECT WITH AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT APPROACH, THAT THAT WOULD BE A MAJOR DECISION. IT WOULD BE QUITE LENGTHY TO DO, PROBABLY TAKE ANOTHER YEAR OR SO. AND DURING THAT TIME, WE WOULD CONTINUE TO HAVE THIS GAP WHERE WE LACK, LACK OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS, AND THEN PROJECTS COULD COME THROUGH AND NOT BE SUBJECT TO ANY STANDARDS AT ALL. SO I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S INSTRUCTIONAL CERTAINLY TO LOOK AT WHAT MARIN COUNTY HAS DONE AND HOW THEY'VE GONE ABOUT IT. AGAIN, AS WE LOOK AT THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE COMING FORWARD AND HAVE SOME DECISIONS THAT WE COULD MAKE ABOUT HOW WE GO ABOUT, UM, REGULATING DESIGN FROM A MORE SPECIFIC PERSPECTIVE. YEAH. UM, THANK YOU. MAYBE NOT STOP THIS PROCESS, BUT GET, GET ON THAT FOR THE NEXT VERSION. MM-HMM. UM, IT'S JUST ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL. AND, UM, THEY DO BREAK DOWN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS BY CHARACTER ZONES. AND SO THE INTEGRITY OF THE COMMUNITY AS IT'S EVOLVED OVER, YOU KNOW, DECADES IS, IS PRESERVED IN STRAIGHT THINGS AND STRENGTHENED. OKAY. AND THEN MY FINAL QUESTION HERE, PLEASE. WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT POWER LINES AND THESE, UM, SSB 35 AND THE OTHER SB WHEN THEY COME IN, I AREN'T THEY GONNA BE SOMETHING LIKE PUDS, UM, THE, UH, WITH THEIR ELECTRICAL LINES GOING UNDERGROUND? SO WHEN WE LOOK AT OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS, WILL WE NOT BE ASSUMING THAT ALL OF THE LINES ARE UNDERGROUND SO WE AREN'T RESTRAINED AND IN THAT BOX WHERE EVERY TREE IS GONNA HAVE TO BE CHOPPED DOWN TO KEEP BENEATH POWER LINES OR TELECOMMUNICATION LINES, WHICH I THINK ARE FIVE FEET OR 10 FEET LOWER THAN ELECTRIFIES? RIGHT. I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S GOING TO BE A PUBLIC WORKS QUESTION BECAUSE, UH, PUBLIC'S PUBLIC WORKS POLICIES WOULD REGULATE THE UNDERGROUNDING OF UTILITIES AND PROJECTS WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THEM. SO I'M NOT, I KNOW, I'M NOT SURE IF EVERY PROJECT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO UNDERGROUND OR IF THERE MIGHT BE, UM, CERTAIN PROJECTS BASED ON LOCATION OR TYPE OF POWER LINES THAT THEY WOULD NOT HAVE TO BE UNDERGROUND. SO I THINK THAT WE COULD, I WOULD WANT TO LOOK INTO THAT 'CAUSE IT WAS CERTAINLY REMOVED. YEAH. IT WOULD ELIMINATE A, A HUGE SORT OF CHALLENGE POINT, UH, WITHOUT A DOUBT. AND, AND WE CAN FOLLOW UP ON THAT. I THINK IF, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY COME FORWARD AT THE END OF THE MONTH, IF THAT'S STILL IN THERE, THEN WE FOUND THAT THERE WOULD BE CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE, UM, THOSE OVERHEAD LINES WOULD CONTINUE TO EXIST AND WE WOULD HAVE TO ACCOUNT THERE'S DANG OVERHEAD LINES. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE FOR TRACE? UH, YEAH. UH, YEAH, ANDREW, I'M JUST TRYING TO FOLLOW THE FLOW CHART A LITTLE BIT. SO LET'S SAY A DEVELOPER COMES IN, UH, AS THAT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT'S A MINISTERIAL, UH, AND I'M TALKING, AND IN TERMS OF STREET TREE PLANTINGS, UH, WILL THIS BE GOVERNED EVEN THOUGH IT'S MINISTERIAL BY THE NEW TREE ORDINANCE THAT WILL BE COMING THROUGH? YEAH, YEAH. WE'RE VERY, VERY MUCH LOOKING FORWARD TO THE, UH, NEW TREE ORDINANCE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, UM, TO, UH, TO GIVE US, UH, SOME GOOD REGULATIONS AND SOME GOOD SPECIFICITY ON THOSE REGULATIONS. I THINK THAT WE'VE ALSO, UH, IN DEVELOPING THESE STANDARDS, WE'VE HAD TO BE CAREFUL THAT WE DIDN'T CREATE STANDARDS WHERE POLICY DOESN'T EXIST TO SUPPORT THE STANDARDS, AND THEN ALSO TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE STANDARDS, WHICH IF THE POLICY IS THERE TO SUPPORT THEM, THEN THOSE STANDARDS THAT WOULD BE APPLICABLE TO QUALIFYING RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS COULD ALSO BE ENFORCED ON ANY PROJECT THAT IS ANY DEVELOPMENT PROJECT THAT IS PROPOSED. SO WE DID TRY TO NOT GET TOO FAR AHEAD IN THESE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS, COUNTING ON THE TREE ORDINANCE UPDATE PROCESS AND, AND OTHER POLICIES COMING FORWARD TO, UM, DRIVE SOME FUTURE AMENDMENTS. SO LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE TREE ORDINANCE HAD SOME SORT OF REQUIREMENT FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT TO, UH, GO THROUGH LET'S SAY SOME URBAN FORESTRY DEPARTMENT OR A, OR POTENTIAL ARBORIST ON STAFF TO RECOMMEND TREES FOR A SITE, UH, THAT, THAT WOULD YEAH, I COULD SEE WHERE THAT, THAT DOESN'T, DOESN'T NECESSARILY EXIST TODAY, BUT WE'D RIGHT. HOPE THAT IT WOULD, AND I WOULD HOPE THAT THEY WOULD, UH, HAVE, YOU KNOW, THERE'D BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY TO MAKE SOME [02:25:01] RECOMMENDATIONS. MM-HMM. FOR THE TREES FOR THAT SITE. YEAH. RIGHT. ALRIGHT. OKAY. UM, DARREN, CAN I START WITH YOU FOR, FOR PAC QUESTIONS? DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO PBAC? NO, THANK YOU, MARSHA. FRANK, ADAM? YEAH, JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IF A CERTAIN CASE COMES UP WHERE THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT AND WE HAVE OUR UPDATED ADOPTED ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN ON THERE, IT SAYS THERE'S CERTAIN BIKE FACILITIES THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO GO IN. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD, COULD REQUIRE THE DEVELOPER TO IN HELP SUPPORT INSTALLING? OR IS THAT, ARE THOSE PROCESSES SEPARATE? I'M KIND OF TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THOSE INTERACT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YOU YOU MEAN BIKE FACILITIES IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY? YEAH, EXACTLY. MM-HMM. . SO THEIR PROJECT WOULD BE GOING RIGHT ON THAT FRONTAGE AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, PART OF A GAP. I ONLY THINK OF IT BECAUSE THERE'S OTHER PROJECTS THAT LIKE, UM, RIVERBEND, YOU KNOW, HAD SOME IMPROVEMENTS. IT WAS AN EXISTING CLASS ONE BIKE TRAIL. MM-HMM. . WHAT IF IT'S KIND OF MORE ON STREET? WOULD THAT EVEN APPLY IN THIS KIND OF CASE OR NOT? UH, YEAH. IT, IT WOULD, BECAUSE THE PROJECTS WOULD BE QUITE, WOULD BE REQUIRED TO EXECUTE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE PLANNED, THAT ARE IDENTIFIED IN PLANS. MM-HMM. . SO THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING THAT EXEMPTS A QUALIFYING RESIDENTIAL PROJECT FROM HAVING TO FULLY EXECUTE, UH, DEVELOPMENT PER CITY REGULATIONS. AND SO THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF, UH, REGULATIONS FROM BUILDING AND FIRE AND PUBLIC WORKS COME FORWARD AND ALSO CONTRIBUTE TO, UM, SHAPING THE PROJECT AND, AND, UH, SHAPING HOW THE DEVELOPMENT LOOKS AND, UH, FUNCTIONS. AND THEY HAVE THE FULL FORCE AND EFFECT OF THE DESIGN STANDARDS AS WELL. SO. OKAY. SO ESSENTIALLY THAT'S ALREADY TAKEN CARE OF. MM-HMM. IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? RIGHT. RIGHT. OKAY. MM-HMM, . PERFECT. GREAT. UM, I THINK THE CAVEAT WOULD BE THAT PROVIDED THAT THERE'S NEXUS, RIGHT? MM-HMM. . SO, UM, OKAY. UM, I THINK THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION. , I JUST HAVE TWO RELATED, POSSIBLY RELATED QUESTIONS. I'M WONDERING IF ANY THOUGHT WAS GIVEN TO EITHER EDIBLE LANDSCAPE COULD BE SOME TYPE OF FRUIT BEARING TREE, OR MAYBE IT'S A COMMUNITY GARDEN SPACE, UM, OR, UH, ONSITE WATER CATCHMENT OPPORTUNITIES, WHICH COULD BE CONNECTED TO THAT EDIBLE LANDSCAPE. UM, I DIDN'T SEE THOSE IN THE STANDARDS. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S EVER SOMETHING COMMUNITIES INCLUDE, BUT I WAS WONDERING IF THROUGH YOUR PERUSING OF OTHER CITIES OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS, IF YOU CAME ACROSS ANY, IF THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. I, I, IT, I DON'T BELIEVE WE CAME ACROSS HEATHER, DID YOU SEE THEM IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS? SO, SO YES AND NO. UM, A LOT OF THE, WHAT YOU DO WITH YOUR WATER AND HOW IT'S TREATED THAT LIVES IN THE WELLOW OR THE WATER EFFICIENCY STANDARDS THAT ARE ACTUALLY UNDER WATER CONSERVATION, WHICH ALSO FALL UNDER PUBLIC WORKS. UM, SO WE DID HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, UM, ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT TO INCLUDE, LIKE, DO WE REQUIRE, AS YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, ANYTHING THAT GOES IN AS A REQUIREMENT MEANS IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT, THEN THAT PROJECT HAS TO GO BACK TO REDESIGN. UM, SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WHERE WE WERE LIKE, WELL, MAYBE THIS IS AN ENCOURAGED NOW, UM, BECAUSE IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE REQUIRE. SO, OF OTHER DEVELOPMENTS MM-HMM. . SO IT'S LEADING POLICY WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING. UM, SO IF, IF THAT IS SOMETHING AS A RECOMMENDATION THAT, YOU KNOW, THE COMMITTEE WANTED US TO, TO INCLUDE AS A REQUIREMENT AND BRING FORWARD THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE CAN DO. BUT WHERE WE'RE STICKING WITH AT THIS POINT IS NOT, UM, LEADING POLICY BY CREATING THESE OBJECTIVE STANDARDS THAT GO FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO THAT'S WHY WE DECIDED NOT TO INCLUDE IT. BUT IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT IT CAN'T BE, IT, IT, IT IS INTERESTING BECAUSE WE HAVE, WE HAVE PARKING STANDARDS AND LANDSCAPE STANDARDS THAT WE APPLY TO SPAR REVIEW, BUT, BUT WE CAN'T FIND ANY EVIDENCE THAT THOSE STANDARDS WERE EVER ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. SO THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT HOW ENFORCEABLE ARE THEY. [02:30:01] WHAT'S INTERESTING IS, IS WE WERE IN A CONVERSATION THIS PAST WEEK AND, UH, THE, THE POSITION WAS TAKEN THAT IF WE'RE APPLYING THOSE STANDARDS TO ALL PROJECTS, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, QUALIFYING RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS OR MARKET RATE PROJECTS THAT ARE, ARE UNDERGOING DISCRETIONARY REVIEW. SO IF THEY'RE BEING APPLIED EVENLY ACROSS ALL PROJECTS, THEN WE COULD CONVERT THOSE STANDARDS INTO OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS AND INCORPORATE THEM IN PROBABLY RELATIVELY SAFELY. WE WOULDN'T GET, UH, WE WOULDN'T RISK, UM, HAVING A PROJECT SAY, YOU CAN'T APPLY THOSE STANDARDS BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT APPLYING THEM EQUALLY. SO I THINK THAT, AS HEATHER SAID, THAT'S A CASE WHERE IF WE WERE TO, AND I, AND I THINK IT'S GREAT, IT'S, IT'S CERTAINLY THOSE ARE ALL THREE AREAS THAT WOULD BE, UH, REALLY GREAT, UM, AMENITIES TO PROJECTS. UM, BUT WE WOULD WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT JUST INCLUDING THEM IN THE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT WE'RE CRAFTING THOSE POLICIES TO MAKE THEM APPLICABLE TO ANY, UH, DEVELOPMENT PROJECT. GREAT. GREAT. THANK YOU FOR THE, THE CLARIFICATION. UM, AND GIVING ME SOME MORE CONTEXT THERE. YEAH. IF IT'S A SUBJECTIVE ENCOURAGE OR THERE'S SOME OTHER WAY TO INCLUDE IT MM-HMM. IN SOME OTHER, UM, NOT THE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS, AND I'M ALL FOR THAT. THANKS. SURE. GREAT. THANK YOU. UM, THANK YOU. UH, COUPLE QUESTIONS. UM, IN THE, THE BICYCLE PARKING, UM, TALKED ABOUT, UM, LIKE ONE, A MINIMUM OF ONE PER PER ROOM UP TO TWO ROOMS, AND THEN ABOVE THAT, WHAT WERE THE RATIONALE FOR THE NUMBERS SELECTED? THAT'S A QUESTION FOR BJORN , AND TO BE HONEST, I DON'T, YEAH, I, THAT ACTUALLY MIGHT'VE COME FROM MATT. UM, THE, AS FAR AS THE RATIO JUST, SORRY, JUST KEEP KICKING THE CAN ON THE, THEY'RE PASSING THIS ONE OFF, BUT, UM, UH, YEAH, I, MY RECOLLECTION, I PROVIDED SOME INPUT FROM THE ESSENTIALS OF BIKE PARKING, UM, GUIDELINES PUT OUT BY THE ASSOCIATION OF, UH, BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN PROFESSIONALS, WHICH IS CONSIDERED TO BE WIDELY CONSIDERED BEST PRACTICE IN IN BIKE PARKING DESIGN. UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT GUIDELINE HAS ANY, ANYTHING ON RATIOS, UH, AND ACTUAL BIKE PARKING REQUIREMENTS PER, PER UNIT. UM, BUT I DO, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WOULD BE A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT INCREASE OVER WHAT WE'VE GOTTEN OUR CURRENT, UM, ZONING CODE. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT, YEAH. YEAH. AND I WILL SAY THIS IS THE ONE AREA THAT WE ARE BEING MORE STRICT AND THAT WE ARE KIND OF BREAKING THAT DON'T LEAD WITH POLICY RULE. AND THE REASON THAT, UM, WE FELT IT WAS APPROPRIATE IS THAT BICYCLING AND E-BIKES ARE ALL VERY AFFORDABLE METHODS OF TRANSPORTATION. WE FELT THAT YOU CAN'T JUST PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. YOU HAVE TO ALSO PROVIDE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES IF YOU CAN, TO ENCOURAGE AFFORDABLE, HEALTHY TRANSPORTATION. I'LL ALSO JUST NOTE WITH THE RACK TYPES THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING, UM, EACH, EACH RACK, UH, ACCOMMODATES TWO BIKES JUST TO ALSO ADD THAT. GOT YOU. SO WE'RE ACTUALLY, SO EACH, I GUESS IT'S, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE FOR TWO BIKES THEN IS CORRECT. YEAH. IF USING THE, THE RECOMMENDED RACK TYPES THAT WE HAVE INCLUDED IN THE, IN THE, UH, STANDARDS, YES. GOT YOU. OKAY. THAT'S HELPFUL. UM, AND THEN ANOTHER ONE, IT, UM, IT TALKED ABOUT, UH, BALCONIES AND PRIVATE PATIOS SHALL NOT BE THE DESIGNATED SPACE FOR BIKE PARKING UNLESS, UH, THE UNIT HAS, UM, CAN WE ALSO PUT SOMETHING IN THERE THAT THEY BIKE PARKING OR MUST BE ALLOWED ON BALCONIES. I'VE, UH, WORKED WITH SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS WHERE THEY DON'T PROVIDE MUCH BIKE PARKING, AND THEN IT'S ILLEGAL TO STORE YOUR BIKES ON YOUR BALCONY. AND SO IT PRETTY MUCH JUST , IT'S LIKE, WHERE CAN YOU PUT IT? HMM. SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO LIKE THAT TO, UM, REQUIRE THAT PEOPLE CAN PUT THEIR BIKES THERE, THAT'D BE GREAT. UM, DO YOU, UH, SO YOU WOULD WANT THEM TO BE REQUIRED TO ALLOW BIKE PARKING ON BALCONIES, BUT NOT NECESSARILY COUNT THAT TOWARDS THEIR BIKE PARKING MINIMUM REQUIREMENT? CORRECT. YES. OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU. UM, AND THEN I WONDER IF THERE'S SOMETHING WITH SENIORS AND NONS SENIORS, JUST LOOKING AT THE MOBILITY DIFFERENCES THAT, UM, ARE LIKELY TO BE THERE IF THERE'S, UM, YOU KNOW, A DEEDED RESTRICTED AFFORDABLE HOUSING VERSUS, UH, DEEDED RESTRICTED SENIOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I WONDER LIKE, UM, I WOULD IMAGINE A SENIOR CITIZEN PROBABLY ARE GONNA BIKE LESS. MAYBE THERE'S MORE NEED FOR, UM, I DON'T KNOW. [02:35:01] I, I DON'T EXACTLY KNOW, BUT, UM, JUST SOME, SOME THOUGHT BEING, UH, GIVEN TO THAT I'D APPRECIATE. UM, AND THEN YOU BROUGHT UP THE, UH, A LOT OF OUR, OUR, OUR PROJECTS ARE INFILL, UM, AND THERE'S A LOT OF TALK ABOUT INTERNAL CONNECTIVITY, AND I'M WONDERING, HAVE WE GIVEN ANY THOUGHT ABOUT HOW TO, UM, ADDRESS CONNECTIVITY WITH SURROUNDING USES AND SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AND HOW TO, HOW TO DO THAT THROUGH OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS? UM, I SO SORRY, HEATHER, AHEAD. NO, GO AHEAD, HEATHER. WELL, I WAS GONNA ASK, SO I MEAN, WE REQUIRE THAT ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT PROVIDES ACCESS TO THE STREET FRONT AND THE SIDEWALK, AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO THE SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS. BUT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT BEYOND THAT? SO THE EXAMPLES THAT I CAN THINK OF ARE LIKE, THERE'S A, A ONE ACRE PARCEL AND, UM, THE, THE DEVELOPER, IT'S, YOU KNOW, SIMPLEST FOR THE DEVELOPER TO JUST BASICALLY MAKE IT A CUL-DE-SAC OR SOMETHING, RIGHT? MM-HMM. . BUT THEN THE NEXT PROPERTY OVER IS ALSO OPEN, AND EVENTUALLY THAT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, LIKE DEVELOPED AS WELL. AND IF WE DON'T PLAN FOR CONNECTIVITY TO THAT NEXT SITE, UM, WE WIND UP WITH, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY A BUNCH OF SUBURBAN DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS POOR MO MM-HMM. POOR CONNECTIVITY. UM, AND SO LIKE THE, THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S OVER BY CASA GRANDE RIGHT NOW, RIGHT THERE IS THE PRIOR DEVELOPMENT HAD A LITTLE LIKE, YOU KNOW, POP OUT THERE AND THEY CONNECTED INTO IT. UM, BUT THIS ONE DIDN'T CONNECT. THERE WAS NO CONNECTION TO THE NEXT ONE OVER. RIGHT. AND SO, UM, OF ANY SORT VEHICULAR OR MULTI-USE PATHWAY YEAH. ANYTHING, RIGHT? SO YOU BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT JUST LOCKED THAT WHOLE AREA IN. UM, I REALLY THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE THINK ABOUT HOW TO DO THAT, UM, ESPECIALLY AS WE MIGHT BE LOOKING AT ALLEYS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. MM-HMM. AND, UM, JUST THINK ABOUT HOW, HOW THINGS CONNECT IN. UM, AND ALSO WE TALKED ABOUT BIKE PARKING. IS THERE A REASON WHY BIKE LANES WEREN'T IN THERE? I GUESS I HAD EXPECTED TO SEE SOMETHING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE DEFAULT TO CLASS FOUR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR, FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT, UM, THAT'S COMING FORWARD. AND, UM, JUST WONDERING WHY THAT, UM, I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE, UM, SIMILAR TO, TO ADAM'S QUESTION ABOUT WHAT, WHAT IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE REQUIRED. AND I THINK BJORN'S GOING TO ANSWER AND, AND TALK ABOUT HOW WE WOULD ESTABLISH THOSE REQUIREMENTS THROUGH THE BIKE FACILITIES PLAN. YEAH. SO THIS IS A KIND OF AN INTERESTING GRAY AREA RIGHT NOW WHERE OUR EXISTING CITY STANDARDS DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE, UM, CLASS FOUR BIKE LANES IN THEM. SO WE KIND OF DEFAULT TO, UM, NTO CALTRANS GUIDANCE. AND LIKEWISE, OUR BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN MASTER PLAN FROM 2008 DOESN'T HAVE PROTECTED BIKE LANES IDENTIFIED ON, ON CITY STREETS. UM, WHAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO IS, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH STRONG RECOMMENDATIONS FROM PAC AND FROM STAFF, UM, BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, GET, UH, APPLICANTS TO AGREE TO INCLUDE PROTECTED BIKE LANES IN THEIR FRONTAGES ON, ON SOME OF THOSE RECENT PROJECTS. UM, YOU KNOW, I, BUT I DO THINK IT'S, IT'S AN AREA WHERE IT'S, UH, WE'RE BASICALLY, WE'VE KIND OF, WE'RE WE'RE REACHING WE'RE, WE'RE DOING THAT WITHOUT ANY SORT OF BACKING FROM OUR, UM, FROM OUR CITY STANDARDS AND FROM OUR, FROM OUR BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN PLAN. SO HAVING UPDATED STANDARDS AND ALSO HAVING MORE, MORE IMPORTANTLY, HAVING AN UPDATED ACTIVE, OUR, OUR NEW ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN WILL GIVE SOME MORE TEETH IN THAT REALM. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, AS WE SAW WITH THE OYSTER COVE PROJECT, WHICH WILL PROVIDE, UH, PROTECTED BIKE LANES ON D STREET AND OTHER, AND OTHER APPLICATIONS, WE'VE SEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, FORTUNATELY WE, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO, TO MAKE DO WITHOUT EITHER OF THOSE DOCUMENTS SO FAR. MM-HMM. . UM, AND THEN MY FINAL QUESTION, AND I'LL, I'LL PROBABLY HAVE A LOT MORE COMMENTS ON THIS AFTER, UM, IS AROUND LANDSCAPING AND THE POTENTIAL FOR STORMWATER SEQUESTRATION. UM, GOING BACK TO THE BIOSWALES COMMENT THAT HOWARD HAD, I, I FEEL LIKE WITH OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS, IT FEELS LIKE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO RETHINK OUR STREETS A LITTLE BIT. MM-HMM. , UM, AND SPECIFY SOMETHING OBJECTIVELY THAT, YOU KNOW, GETS BUILT. UM, AND I'M NOT SURE, I, I DIDN'T, WHEN I READ THIS, I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THERE. AND I'M JUST WONDERING HOW WE'RE THINKING ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, FROM THE, THE CONCEPT OF SUSTAINABILITY, RIGHT? AND LIKE WATER SEQUESTRATION, UM, [02:40:01] YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE, LIKE, THINGS THAT, THINGS THAT JUMP OUT TO ME IS JUST LIKE PUTTING, YOU KNOW, LANDSCAPING ABOVE TO WHERE IT CAN'T SEQUESTER STUFF VERSUS BELOW SOME OF THE PICTURES THAT WERE IN THERE WERE LIKE A LANDSCAPE BUFFER BETWEEN, UM, A SIDEWALK AND THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING INSTEAD OF HAVING THE SIDEWALK GO TOWARDS THE BUILDING AND THEN PUT THE LANDSCAPING BETWEEN THE, YOU KNOW, THE CARS AND, AND MAKE IT SEQUESTER WATER. MM-HMM. THE, THE ROAD. JUST THINKING LIKE, HOW ARE WE THINKING ABOUT REDESIGNING OUR STREETS HERE, UM, TO, TO ACCOMPLISH SOME OF THOSE LIKE MORE DESIGN GOALS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE WANTING? YEAH. I THINK IT WOULD BE AN, UH, UPDATE TO THE STREET STANDARDS, RIGHT? YEAH. SO, SO IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, IT WOULD BE DRIVEN THROUGH, UH, YOU KNOW, MODIFICATIONS OR AMENDMENTS TO THE STREET STANDARDS TO ACHIEVE THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO DRIVE YOUR PUBLIC, RIGHT? YOUR DESIGN WITHIN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, EVEN THOUGH THE DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO PAY FOR THOSE IMPROVEMENTS, THEY'RE STILL GOING TO BE DRIVEN BY THE STREET STANDARDS THAT PUBLIC WORKS AND FORCES WITHIN THE, WITH OUTSIDE OF THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY ON THE, THE PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT AREA. THEN THEY WOULD BE, THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO DO LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT, STORM WATER, UM, MITIGATION BEST PRACTICES ON SITE. AND SO WE WOULD GET THAT OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF. AND OFTENTIMES THERE'S A TENSION BETWEEN TRYING TO ACHIEVE THOSE, UM, THOSE LID BEST PRACTICES, UM, AND THEN ACHIEVE LANDSCAPING AND, AND SUCH. SO THAT TENSION DOES EXIST, BUT I REALLY, I THINK TO, TO GET TO YOUR POINT, IT WOULD REALLY REQUIRE A CHANGE IN STREET STANDARDS REALLY, IF IT, THE PROPERTY LINE IS THE PROPERTY LINE, AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA BUILD A SIDEWALK. SO IT'S A, IT'S A PUBLIC EASEMENT, RIGHT. THAT YOU WOULD HAVE WHERE THE SIDEWALK GOES. MM-HMM. , BUT IT'S STILL PRIVATE PROPERTY, RIGHT? SO IT SEEMS LIKE IT COULD BE ENCOMPASSED INTO THE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS, BUT THEY'LL STILL DESIGN IT ACCORDING TO THE STREET STANDARDS THAT THAT PUBLIC WORKS IS ENFORCING. SO THIS WON'T SUPERSEDE WHATEVER THE OTHER STANDARDS ARE. THIS HAS TO NO, NO. WE, IN FACT, WE WOULD LEAN ON THOSE OTHER STANDARDS. WELL, THAT'S DISAPPOINTING. THANK YOU. YEAH, I THINK THAT THAT POINTS OUT THE LIMITATION OF OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS AT THIS POINT, FOR SURE. THE PUBLIC WORKS. I HAVE A SERIES OF QUESTIONS THAT KIND OF ALSO DOVETAIL INTO COMMENTS. DO YOU WANT ME TO JUST WAIT ON THE COMMENTS? UM, AND JUST REALLY KEEP IT TO QUESTIONS? 'CAUSE IT'S, I THINK THAT'S GOOD. YEAH. OKAY. SO, SO, UM, BACK TO THE BIKE PARKING AND RESIDENTIAL UNITS, THERE WAS A STATEMENT IN THERE THAT SUGGESTED THAT, UM, IT ALMOST SUGGESTED THAT PETALUMA HAS ALLOWED BIKE PARKING AND COUNTED IT, UH, TOWARDS THE TOTAL BIKE PARKING REQUIREMENT IF IT'S INSIDE OF A RESIDENTIAL UNIT. MM-HMM. HAVE, DO WE DO THAT? DO WE, DO WE CONDITION, UH, RESIDENTIAL, UH, DEVELOPMENTS AND SAY YOU CAN CREATE A SPECIAL AREA INSIDE OF A DWELLING UNIT, THE LIVING AREA, YOU KNOW, ASIDE FROM THE BALCONY AND COVERED AREAS, UH, THAT ARE, THAT ARE COMMON. 'CAUSE IT MADE IT SOUND LIKE, I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE WE'RE REALLY DOING THAT AND WE'RE REALLY SAYING YOU CAN TAKE LIVING SPACE ON THE INSIDE OF A RES RESIDENTIAL UNIT AND COUNT IT TOWARDS THE REQUIREMENT FOR BIKE PARKING. AND IF WE HAVE, HOW WE'VE EVER DONE THAT BACK AT PAGE EIGHT, THAT I THINK THAT WAS, UH, ANDREW, I CAN TRY TO TAKE A STAB. SURE, SURE. AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I, SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT FOR SINGLE FAMILY PROJECTS VERSUS MULTI-FAMILY PROJECTS. UM, YOU KNOW, WITH SINGLE FAMILY PROJECTS, THE ASSUMPTION I THINK GENERALLY IS THAT BIKES ARE GOING TO BE STORED SOMEWHERE, UH, IN THE GARAGE OR, UM, SOMEWHERE ON THE PROPERTY. AND, AND SO THERE'S LESS OF A, OF A REQUIREMENT THERE WHEN IT COMES TO MULTIFAMILY. WE DO HAVE VERY, UH, WELL-DEFINED REQUIREMENTS AROUND, UH, SECURE BIKE PARKING, LONG-TERM BIKE PARKING THAT THEY MUST PROVIDE. AND THOSE AREAS ARE, YOU KNOW, MY MY RECOLLECTION OF THE, OF THE ZONING CODE IS THAT THAT'S WRITTEN IN A WAY THAT THOSE NEED TO BE IN, UM, AREAS ACCESSIBLE TO THE TENANTS THAT ARE NOT WITHIN THEIR, NOT WITHIN THEIR DWELLINGS. SO, OKAY. UM, I, NO, I DON'T BELIEVE WE'RE, WE'RE GIVING, UH, DEVELOPERS CREDIT FOR, UH, BIKE PARKING WITHIN THEIR OWN UNITS. WHAT, FOR MULTIFAMILY PROJECTS UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING CODE? I, I JUST DON'T, I YEAH, I THINK THERE, OKAY. YEAH, I CAN'T THINK OF AN INSTANCE WHERE WE'VE DONE THAT. UM, [02:45:01] I, I DO BELIEVE THAT OYSTER COVE IS PROVIDING ONE ELECTRIC BIKE CHARGER PER UNIT, WHICH WAS SUPPORTED, BUT, BUT THAT WAS PART OF THEIR PROPOSAL. MM-HMM. . UM, AND, BUT THEN THEY'RE STILL PROVIDING THE MINIMUM OR THE REQUIRED BIKE PARKING IN THE, IN THE PUBLIC AREAS. THEN ON TOP OF THAT, OKAY, WELL, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, AT, UH, PAGE EIGHT FOUR MM-HMM, A TWO, IT SAYS BICYCLE PARKING SHALL NOT BE LOCATED IN RESIDENTIAL UNITS. IT DOESN'T SPECIFY IT'S MULTI-FAMILY OR OTHERWISE, UNLESS ONE OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS APPLY. THE UNITS ARE ON THE GROUND FLOOR, OR IT HAS AN ELEVATOR THAT IS NO SMALLER THAN SIX BY SIX THAT ALLOWS BIKES. SO, AND THEN IT GOES ON ABOUT THE, THE BALCONIES. SO IT JUST, IT JUST MADE ME WONDER WHETHER WE ACTUALLY HAD APPLICATIONS COME FORWARD WHERE SOMEHOW WE'RE SAYING, SURE, WE'LL BUILD YOU AN INTERIOR BIKE CLOSET. UM, AND, AND SO I'M, I WAS JUST CURIOUS, IS THAT TAKING AWAY FROM LIVING SPACE? UH, OBVIOUSLY WHAT I'M DRIVING AT IS, YOU KNOW, LIVING SPACE WOULD BE TIGHT IN MANY AFFORDABLE MULTIFAMILY, UH, DEVELOPMENTS. AND SO, UM, SO I'M JUST WONDERING, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S, WHERE THAT REALLY GOES TO, LIKE BJORN SAYING IF IT'S SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL FOR SALE OR THEY'VE GOT A CARPORT OR SOMETHING ELSE, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULDN'T BE MAKING SURE THAT IT'S ACCESSIBLE AND COVERED AND, AND WEATHERPROOF AND IT'S NOT TAKING, UH, UP OTHER LIVING SPACE ON THE INSIDE OF A UNIT. UM, THAT WAS MY QUESTION. I'LL SURE. I THINK THE REST OF THE THINGS I HAVE TO SAY ARE MORE COMMENTS. SURE. THANK YOU. ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION. UM, YOU SAID WE, YOU KNOW, IT HAS TO BE COST CAN'T BE COST PROHIBITIVE. HOW DO YOU DETERMINE WHAT'S COST PROHIBITIVE? IS IT LIKE A THOUSAND DOLLARS INCREMENTAL COST PER UNIT, $2,000 INCREMENTAL COST PER UNIT? WHAT ARE, HOW WOULD YOU, HOW WOULD YOU GO ABOUT THAT? SO THE, THE STATE LAW SAYS THAT THE PROJECT HAS TO BE ABLE TO BE CONSTRUCTED THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT'S EITHER THE MINIMUM DENSITY UNDER THE GENERAL PLAN OR PROPOSED BY THE PROJECT. UH, THE PROJECT HAS TO BE ABLE TO CONSTRUCT THAT. SO WHAT WHAT COULD HAPPEN IS THE, AND, AND IT WOULDN'T HAPPEN IN, UM, WELL, A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS. IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAPPEN IN OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS BECAUSE WE CAN APPLY THOSE, BUT IT COULD HAPPEN IN A CASE OF AN SB THREE 30 PROJECT WHERE WE COULD WANT, SAY, AN ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE, UM, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, SUBJECT AN SB THREE 30 PROJECT TO SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW. SO THERE MIGHT BE A, A SITE FEATURE OR AN ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE THAT WE DESIRE, BUT THE PROJECT COULD SAY, NO, THAT'S COST PROHIBITIVE, AND THAT WOULD RESULT IN THE PROJECT BEING ABLE TO CONSTRUCT FEWER UNITS THAN WHAT WAS PROPOSED. AND YOU CAN'T DO THAT ON SSB THREE 30. SO, UH, THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD PRESUMABLY HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT IT'S COST PROHIBITIVE. UM, BUT IN THAT SENSE, THE, UH, I THINK THE, THE STATE LAW WOULD BE ON THE SIDE OF THE PROJECT TO, UM, PERHAPS SUFFICE WITH THAT STATEMENT THAT IT'S COST PROHIBITIVE. SO, SO I, I HEAR HOW, BUT THAT'S VERY LIKE PROJECT SPECIFIC. MM-HMM. DRIVEN BY, YOU KNOW, AN APPLICANT. HOW ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT IT AS YOU'RE DEVELOPING THESE? I GUESS I, I, WELL, I, I THINK A GREAT EXAMPLE IS, IS WITH VINYL VERSUS FIBERGLASS WINDOWS, WHICH IS, WILL BE A QUESTION THAT WILL COME BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION. UM, I BELIEVE THE CITY AND ALL OF THE, THE REVIEWERS, UH, ARE, ARE IN FAVOR OF PROHIBITING VINYL WINDOWS. BUT THE AFFORDABLE DEVELOPER COMMUNITY IS SAYING, NO, THAT'S, THAT'S A FUNDAMENTAL COST FOR US AND WE NEED TO HAVE, BE ABLE TO DEVELOP PROJECTS WITH VINYL WINDOWS. SO IT'S IT, AND, AND THEN FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, WE LOOK AT IT AND SAY, WELL, FROM AESTHETICS PERSPECTIVE, FROM CLIMATE PERSPECTIVES AND SUCH, WE'RE WE WANT FIBERGLASS AT A MINIMUM, UM, FOR WINDOWS. SO THERE IS, THERE IS TENSION THERE. NOW, COULD WE, COULD WE CONTINUE TO COME FORWARD WITH OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT WOULD PROHIBIT VINYL WINDOWS? YES, WE COULD. UM, BUT PROJECTS, ESPECIALLY DENSITY BONUS PROJECTS COULD THEN LEVERAGE CONCESSIONS AND WAIVERS TO, UM, TO CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH VINYL WINDOWS. BUT THEY WOULD CONCEDE ON THAT. AND, UH, THEN [02:50:01] WE WOULD BE PUT IN A POSITION FOR TO, UM, WE WOULD HAVE THE BURDEN OF DEMONSTRATING THAT THERE'S A PUBLIC HEALTH, UH, SAFETY OR WELFARE ISSUE THAT WOULD, UM, ALLOW US TO DENY THAT CONCESSION. IS THAT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S VERY HELPFUL. THANK YOU. UM, OKAY, I'M JUST GONNA THROW THIS OUT THERE FOR YOU TO NOODLE ON WHILE WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. MM-HMM. , UM, I'M INTERESTED IN IF WE CAN, UH, REQUIRE MOBILITY IN PARTICULAR E-BIKES, LIKE THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, TENS TO HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS BEING FINANCED. AND, UM, AN E-BIKE IS $1,500 MAYBE, AND THAT'S A LOT FOR A LOW INCOME PERSON TO PURCHASE, BUT IN $150 MILLION PROJECT IT PROBABLY COULD, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS LIKE A, YOU KNOW, A BLIP ON THE RADAR AND IT'S, SO I'M WONDERING IF WE CAN ACTUALLY, UM, JUST REQUIRE MOBILITY BE PROVIDED, UM, IN THESE PROJECTS AND JUST FINANCED AS A PROJECT COST. THAT'S WHAT I'M INTERESTED IN. SURE. GREAT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, SHOULD ANDREW, SHOULD WE HAVE ANYTHING THAT, UH, GIVES DIRECTION TO, UM, TREES PLANTED ON COLLECTOR STREETS? UH, YOU KNOW, BEING A PARKWAY RE A PARKWAY REQUIREMENT ON COLLECTOR STREETS FOR STREET TREES OR H-O-A-H-O-A MAINTENANCE OF, YOU KNOW, HO THE PROJECT PLANTS THE TREES AND MUST ALSO MAINTAIN THE TREES. SOME, SOME WAY OF GETTING LANDSCAPE AT THE CURB EDGE ON IMPORTANT STREETS. I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD ALSO LEAN ON, UH, PUBLIC WORK STREET STANDARDS AND THEN THE MUNICIPAL CODE WITH REGARD TO REGULATING MAINTENANCE OF, OF THE STREET TREES. WE WOULDN'T TAKE THAT ON THROUGH THESE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS. SPECIFICALLY, UH, AT THIS TIME, WE'LL OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT. THE PUBLIC'S INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM, LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON. IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE SO, PLEASE FILL OUT A COMMENT CARD AND BRING IT TO THE CLERK AND CLERK. HAVE YOU RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING? THERE HAVE BEEN NO PUBLIC COMMENTS. OKAY. AND NO CARDS. SO THAT CLOSES PUBLIC COMMENT AND BRINGS IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE FOR DISCUSSION. UM, YES, GO AHEAD. HAPPY TO KICK US OFF AGAIN. UM, I, I'LL JUST FOLLOW UP ON A POINT. TARYN MADE, THIS IS SOMETHING AT PLANNING WE ASKED FOR, AND NOT BECAUSE OF ANY LACK OF TRUST, BUT JUST A STAKEHOLDER LIST WOULD BE GREAT JUST TO KNOW SURE. WHAT GROUPS CHIMED IN MM-HMM. , UH, AND SO WE KNOW KIND OF WHAT INPUT IS ALREADY IN THERE. MAYBE THAT INFORMS HOW CONFIDENT WE ARE IN CERTAIN BEST PRACTICES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, I DO, I I THINK THAT QUESTION'S WORTH EXPLORING AND I APPRECIATE GINA CHIMING IN THERE, CHI CHIMING IN THERE ABOUT PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY IMPROVEMENTS. UH, THAT'S INTERESTING TO ME THAT THAT DEFAULTS TO OUR STREET STANDARDS WHEN THAT IS PRIVATE PROPERTY. I GUESS THE EASEMENT MAKES IT UNDER OUR CONTROL FOR MAINTENANCE STANDARDS AND THINGS. UM, I THINK THAT'S WORTH EXPLORING. MAYBE IT'S A SIMPLE QUESTION, LIKE SHE SAID, YOU KNOW, ON PAGE EIGHT, UH, GETTING SPECIFIC, THE LANGUAGE IN THERE ABOUT A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET OF LANDSCAPING PER SIX SPACES AND THEN A TREE PER A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET OF LANDSCAPING. I THINK IN MY MIND THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A CLUNKY WAY OF DOING IT. I SAW THERE, THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION BY THE STAKEHOLDER GROUP TO DO SOMETHING LIKE ONE TREE PER 1500 SQUARE FEET OF LOT. UH, AND I WROTE DOWN HERE MAYBE SOMETHING ABOUT TREE REQUIREMENT PER CERTAIN, AND WHETHER THAT'S 1500, A THOUSAND PER CERTAIN SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE LOT, THAT'S NOT A BUILDING FOOTPRINT, RIGHT. UH, TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH TREE IS THERE. AND THEN AN ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENT FOR AMOUNT OF PAVED SURFACE. UH, AND MAYBE IT MAY BE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES GETS US THERE. UH, BUT YEAH, I'D LOVE TO SEE US EXPLORE SOME OTHER OPTIONS. 'CAUSE I READ THROUGH THAT AND, AND THAT'S ONE WHERE, UH, I THINK FOR A LOT OF THESE, A DIAGRAM WOULD'VE HELPED OF SHOWING THAT EXAMPLE, BUT IT WAS JUST KIND OF HARD TO FIGURE OUT, OKAY, WELL WHAT WOULD THE LANDSCAPE LOOK LIKE? WHAT WOULD THE, WHERE WOULD THE TREES BE? UH, OR HOW MANY TREES? SO ANYWAY, I THINK THAT'S WORTH EXPLORING AND I DID SEE THAT RECOMMENDATION BY THE STAKEHOLDER GROUP. SO I THINK SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UH, A TREE REQUIREMENT PER NON BUILDING SITE FOOTPRINT, SQUARE FOOTAGE, WHATEVER THAT METRIC IS, IS WORTH EXPLORING. UM, AND THEN ON PAGE 13, UH, ACTUALLY JUST GETTING TO ROGER'S POINT, IT DOES TALK ABOUT A SIX FOOT LANDSCAPE STRIP, UH, ALONG ALL ARTERIAL ROADS. AND IT LISTS OUT SPECIFICALLY LIKE WASHINGTON, YOUR BIG STREETS AND HOW THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE A TREE EVERY 30 LINEAR FEET WITHIN SHRUBS AND OTHER LOWER LANDSCAPING. [02:55:02] I WOULD LOVE TO SEE US EXPLORE THAT ALONG ALL STREET FRONTAGES. UM, I THINK, AND IT GETS TO THIS COST IS NEBULOUS, LIKE WHAT IS TOO MUCH COST? BUT I THINK IN THE GRAND SCHEME, THAT'S NOT A HUGE COST FOR SOME OF THESE PROJECTS TO DO THAT ALONG ANY STREET FRONTAGES. UM, I THINK THE MAINTENANCE QUESTION IS A GOOD ONE THOUGH, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AS A LIABILITY AND ONGOING LIABILITY FOR THESE PROJECTS TO BUDGET IN. UM, BUT YEAH, I THINK I WOULD LOVE TO SEE US EXPLORE THAT OPTION. JUST EXPAND THAT OBVIOUSLY WITH SOME FEEDBACK, UH, DOWN THE ROAD BY STAKEHOLDERS AND OTHER GROUPS THAT ARE LOOKING AT THIS. UH, AND THEN ON PAGE 18, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A ROOFTOP PLANTING REQUIREMENT AND THIS GETS TO THIS PRIVATE OPEN SPACE PER UNIT. I WONDERED IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO TIE THAT REQUIREMENT TO THE AVAILABLE PRIVATE OPEN SPACE PER UNIT. BASICALLY MEANING IF THERE'S LESS PRIVATE OPEN SPACE PER UNIT, OR AT THE MINIMUM HAVE A HIGHER REQUIREMENT FOR ROOFTOP PLANTING AND THEN KIND OF SCALE THAT METRIC AS THERE'S MORE OPEN SPACE PER PRIVATE UNIT LOWER THAT, SOMETHING LIKE THAT I THINK WOULD BE A GREAT, UM, TOOL TO HELP US MAKE SURE THERE IS ENOUGH OPEN SPACE FOR RESIDENTS. UH, 'CAUSE I LOVE SEEING THAT ROOFTOP PLANTING IN THERE, AND I THINK IF WE COULD SCALE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S LESS SPACE OUTSIDE FOR EACH RESIDENT, HAVE MORE ROOFTOP PLANTING, UH, COULD BE SOMETHING SIMPLE WE PUT IN THERE. UH, AND YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR COMMENTS. THANKS. THANK YOU. I THINK, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, AS, AS YOU'RE LIKELY EXPERIENCING THIS EVENING, THE, THE INTERCONNECTEDNESS BETWEEN THE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE WITH THE OTHER OBJECTIVE STANDARDS IN THE CITY, UH, THAT ARE ENFORCED BY BUILDING, BY FIRE, BY PUBLIC WORKS AND SUCH, IT'S SOMETIMES WE NEED FOR THOSE STANDARDS TO BE MORE DETAILED OR, OR MORE EVOLVED THAN WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO THROUGH THE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS. AND OF THOSE COUPLE THINGS I MENTIONED, DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT COLLIDING WITH EITHER THE ROOFTOP PLANTING OR THE STREET? I THINK MORE SO THE STREET. I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE START. WE'RE SEEING THAT THAT TENSION EXIST WITH, UH, WITH TREES, WITH STREET TREES AND SUCH. YEAH. IS IT A FIRE CONSIDERATION OR A UH, UH, YEAH, AT ALL LEVELS. UM, OKAY. IT'S, IT'S IT WAIT, WAIT AND MAINTENANCE. MM-HMM. WEIGHT AND MAINTENANCE. OKAY. I CAN'T CONTROL MAINTENANCE. YEAH. OKAY. STILL THINK IT'S WORTH EXPLORING IT. APPRECIATE WHAT YOU GUYS ARE SAYING. SURE. NO, ABSOLUTELY. IT'S, THANK YOU. OKAY, SO MY COMMENTS, UM, FIRST OF ALL, I'VE GOT SOME NOTES AND SPECIFIC REFERENCES TO OUR CODE BY NUMBER AND SECTION SUBSECTION, AND THEN I HAVE A SMALLER SET OF NOTES FROM YOUR HANDOUT OF THE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS. UM, FIRST OF ALL, UM, I WANNA SAY AGAIN, UM, UH, MILL VALLEY DOESN'T SEEM TO BE SO CONCERNED ABOUT DEVELOPER PUSHBACK. GOOGLE FIVE WORDS, MILL VALLEY OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS AND GO LOOK AT THEIR TOOLKIT. IT'S A, I REALLY AM A STRONG BELIEVER IN GOING FOR EXCELLENCE, BEST PRACTICE. AND IF THEY'RE NOT AFRAID OF LAWSUITS AND DEVELOPER PUSHBACKS, I FEEL THAT'S PRETTY DARN ENCOURAGING AND, UM, A GOOD STARTING POINT FOR US. UM, I DON'T WANT PETALUMA TO BE THE, UH, TO NOT BE AS ASPIRATIONAL AS WE CAN BE. UM, AND THEN THE THING I WANNA SAY IS, CAN WE PLEASE PUT START PUTTING UTILITIES UNDERGROUND? IF YOU GO TO THE CITY OF CHICO, UC, CANOPY TREES OVER THE ENTIRE CITY, THE CITY CONTROLS THE, THE TREES THERE, THAT'S GREAT. BUT THE WHOLE THING IS COVERED BY TREE CANOPY. GO TO DOWNTOWN UKIAH. DOWNTOWN IS COVERED WITH SYCAMORES. IT'S COMPLETE SHADE ALL SUMMER LONG. SO WE'VE GOT TO AT SOME POINT FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET INTO OUR OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS, OUR REGULAR CODES, ET CETERA, GET THOSE UTILITIES UNDER THE GROUND BECAUSE WE'RE JUST HAMSTRINGED. WE JUST HAVE TO KEEP CHOPPING DOWN OUR TREES IF WE DON'T KEEP 'EM AWAY FROM OUR TREE ROOTS. AND IF WE DON'T KEEP 'EM OVER, UH, IF WE DON'T GET 'EM AWAY FROM RIGHT OVER OUR TREES, WE'RE NEVER GONNA GET OUT OF THIS HEAT ISLAND MESS THAT WE'RE IN. OKAY. SO MY FIRST COMMENT IS ALLOWED LANDSCAPING MATERIALS, UH, LANDSCAPING MATERIALS I THINK SHOULD COMPLY WITH, UM, BEING SHRUBS OF AT LEAST ONE GALLON IN SIZE. UM, IT SHOULD BE GROUND COVER INSTEAD OF, OF GRASS LIKE TURF GRASS SO THAT IT'S NOT RELYING ON SO MUCH WATER. RIGHT? SO DROUGHT TOLERANT KIND OF GROUND COVER, [03:00:01] UM, THAT A LOT OF US PUT IN OUR FRONT YARD THAT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE GRASS ACTUALLY. UM, DECORATIVE NON-LIVING LANDSCAPE MATERIALS, UM, TO NOT USE GRAVEL AND, UM, HEAT ABSORBING MATERIALS. UM, MAYBE THINK ABOUT A MAXIMUM OF 25% OF THE LANDSCAPE AREA, UM, OR LESS BEING, UM, HARDSCAPED, UH, WI WITH GRAVEL, NOT, I'M NOT TALKING SIDEWALKS. UM, STREET TREES SHOULD BE AT LEAST 15 GALLON IN SIZE, NOT, I THINK 10 GALLONS WERE, WERE REFERRED AT SOME POINT, UM, OR EVEN SMALLER. AND, UH, LET'S SEE HERE. I, UM, UH, SEVEN, UM, OUR SECTION 17.030, WHICH IS OUR EXCEPTION SECTION, I THINK WE SHOULD REMOVE THE EXEMPTION FOR NON-DISCRETIONARY APPROVAL. I THINK THAT ONE IS FOR TREES BEING CUT DOWN AND IT, AND IT ALLOWS STAFF TO JUST DECIDE WHETHER A TREE CAN BE CUT DOWN OR NOT. UM, MAYBE WE CAN SAY NO, NOT, NOT ALLOWING DISCRETIONARY APPROVAL TO CUT DOWN TREES. UM, 17.060 NUMBER D, WHICH IS TREE REMOVAL, UM, UH, MAKE THAT NON NOT BE DISCRETIONARY. IT MUST BE REPLACEMENT AND IT SHOULDN'T BE, UH, JUST CUTTING DOWN THE TREE. THERE SHOULD BE A REPLACEMENT. THERE SPECIES SHOULD BE, UM, INCLUDING NATIVE VEGETATION LIKE WE HAVE IN OUR, UH, ADVISE OUR TREE LIST, UM, PROTECTED TREES DEFINITION IN SECTION 17.040. WE SHOULD ALSO INCLUDE, UM, AND DEFINE WHAT ARE SIGNIFICANT GROVES OF TREES AND I RECOMMEND MAYBE THREE OR MORE WITHIN A 30 SQUARE FOOT AREA. UM, WE NEED TO START PROTECTING GROVES OF TREES BECAUSE THOSE ARE REALLY IMPORTANT FOR BIODIVERSITY AS WELL AS CARBON SEQUESTRATION AND SHADE FOR SECTION 17.050, WHICH IS PRESERVATION OF EXISTING TREES. THAT'S THE NAME OF THE SECTION. UM, MS. SOBA, I, I'D LIKE TO TO COMMENT THAT YOU'RE REFERENCING MODIFICATIONS TO THE EXISTING PETALUMA MUNICIPAL CODE AND THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS PROJECT. SO I, I'M CITING WHERE IT'S VAGUE AND WE WANT TO MAKE IT QUANTIFIED, RIGHT. BUT WE WOULDN'T BE AMENDING CHAPTER 17 AS PART OF THIS PROJECT. SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT TREES, WE ARE RELATIVE TO THE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT ARE DRAFTED. BUT WHAT THE, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WOULD BE AMENDMENTS THAT WE WOULD DO THROUGH THE TREE ORDINANCE UPDATE THAT YOU'RE WORKING ON THROUGH THE TREE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. OH, OKAY. YEAH, YEAH. ALRIGHT. SO, UM, I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO GET SPECIFIC ABOUT METRICS SUCH AS QUANTIFYING NUMBERS, UM, NUMBERS AND PER AREA. SO SPECIFICALLY IF I GO TO, UM, THE PARKING SECTION, THE PARKING SECTION, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE NUMBER OF TREES, I THINK WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT, IT SHOULD BE LIKE ONE TREE, UM, PER 200 SQUARE FEET OR, UM, A RATIO LIKE THAT. AND I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE RATIO WOULD BE, BUT IF YOU GO TO FRIEDMAN'S DEER PARK, UM, RETAIL VILLAGE OVER THERE ON MCDOWELL, I THINK THEY DO AN EXCELLENT JOB. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR TREE RATIO IS PER PARKING SPACE, NOT TREE RATIO PER THE LANDSCAPING STRIPS WITHIN THE PARKING SPACE. IT'S GREAT COVERAGE AND I THINK WE SHOULD QUANTIFY THAT FOR PARKING SPACES IN OUR OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS. UM, I ALSO THINK THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, UM, THE RETAINING WALLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WE SHOULD SAY THAT ALL RETAINING WALLS SHOULD INCLUDE LANDSCAPE PLANTERS IN FRONT OF THE RETAINING WALLS. AND THOSE PLANTERS SHOULD BE AT LEAST 18 INCHES DEEP MEASURED PERPENDICULAR TO THE WALL SO THAT THERE'S A HEALTHY OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMETHING TO ACTUALLY GROW AND TO REMAIN ESTABLISHED AND SURVIVE. UM, AND THEN, I DON'T THINK, I THINK THIS IS SCREENING, BUT WHEN THEY HAVE PARKING ON THE GROUND FLOOR, AND THERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF THIS ON PETALUMA BOULEVARD NORTH, I THINK IT'S THE SENIOR HOUSING THAT'S JUST NORTH OF LAKEVILLE AUTOBODY. THE FIRST FLOOR IS ALL PARKING AND THE OUTSIDE OF IT IS METAL TRELLIS. AND THERE'S VINES GROWING UP ON ALL OF THAT TRELLIS. [03:05:01] 'CAUSE THEY HAVE A PLANTING STRIP RIGHT IN FRONT OF THAT TRELLIS ALL AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE BUILDING AND IT'S ALL GREEN. UM, THERE I THINK ARE SOME TREES THERE, BUT IN ADDITION THEY HAVE VINES. AND SO THE EFFECT IS REALLY NICE AND VERY COOL AND I THINK THAT'S ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT FOR, UM, LOW INCOME PEOPLE SO THAT THEY HAVE A SENSE OF PLACE AND THEY HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE INSPIRING AND SMELLS GOOD, SMELLS FRESH, SMELLS COOL. UM, RETAINING WALLS IN INTERIOR DESIGN, SIDES, FRONTS. ALL OF THOSE I THINK SHOULD HAVE PLANTERS. UM, THE FRONTAGE, I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT WHAT THE SETBACKS ARE FOR THE FRONTAGE AND THE SIDE, SIDE SPACES AND HAVE NOT JUST THE PARKING. OKAY, SO THERE'S THE ROAD AND THEN THERE'S THE PARKING STRIP WHERE TREE STREET TREES USUALLY ARE. THEN THERE'S A SIDEWALK AND THEN THERE'S THE FRONTAGE TO THE DEVELOPMENT. MILL VALLEY HAS MULTIPLE DIAGRAMS OF HOW TO CONFIGURE THE TREES SUCH THAT THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT STAGGERED BETWEEN THE PARKING, EXCUSE ME, THE SIDEWALK STRIP THAT HAS THE STREET TREES AND THEN THE FRONT OF THE DEVELOPMENT. THEY KIND OF STAGGER THEM SO THAT THE EFFECT IS, IT'S A FOREST, IT'S BEAUTIFUL. I THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE SOME TREATMENT THAT'S SPECIFIC LIKE THAT, THAT DIRECTS HOW MANY TREES AND HOW THE TREES CAN BE ASSEMBLED SO THAT IT CREATES A NICE ENTRYWAY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE. AND I ALSO THINK THAT THE TREE SHOULD BE SPECIFIED AS CANOPY TREES, NOT JUST MEDIUM-SIZED TREES OR ONES THAT GROW IN A CONICAL SHAPE, BUT ONES THAT ARE TRUE CANOPIES, LIKE THE SYCAMORES THAT HOWARD LOVES. UM, ESPECIALLY SINCE IT MAY BE THAT THERE ARE NO OVERHEAD LINES, I HAVE NOT SEEN A DEVELOPMENT IN OUR TOWN IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS THAT HAD ANY OVERHEAD LINES. SO I'M VERY HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN START TO GET SOME REALLY TALL TREES LIKE UKIAH HAS, LIKE CHICO HAS. I'M TALKING 80 FEET TALL, BEAUTIFUL TREES FOR PEOPLE THAT NEED IT THE MOST. 'CAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO GO OUT CAMPING NECESSARILY OR TO GO OUT DRIVING TO HIKING DESTINATIONS. UM, LET'S SEE HERE. UM, OH, BENCHES UNDER TREES, ESPECIALLY FOR LOW INCOME AND FOR SENIOR PLACES OR THEY DON'T GET OUT THAT MUCH. WHY NOT HAVE THEM FEEL AN INVITATION TO COME OUT UNDER, SIT UNDER A TREE, MEET THEIR NEIGHBOR UNDER A TREE WHEN THE NEXT PANDEMIC HAPPENS. THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE IN THEIR HOUSES AGAIN. THEY'RE GONNA WANNA COME OUT. PEOPLE SHOULD BE OUTSIDE MORE AND INTERACTING WITH EACH OTHER. I THINK THAT'S REALLY AN IMPORTANT THING THAT BLUE ZONES IS STRESSING RIGHT NOW. AND I THINK THAT WE CAN EASILY QUANTIFY THAT INTO OUR OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS. I ALSO THINK THAT PLAYGROUNDS YOU HAVE IN HERE, PLAYGROUNDS, I'D LIKE TO SEE THOSE HAVE TREES FOR SHADE FOR KIDS, NOT JUST A PLASTIC TARP OR PLASTIC COVERING, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT OF A TREND NOW. I THINK THE PERIMETER SHOULD HAVE TREES. TREES DON'T HAVE TO HAVE LIMBS FOR THE, UM, FOR THE FIRST 10 TO 15 FEET, THOSE CAN BE TRIMMED. AS A TREE GROWS TO 80 FEET TALL, YOU CAN STILL HAVE VISIBILITY UNDERNEATH SO THAT PARENTS CAN SEE THEIR KIDS IN THE PLAYGROUND AND SENIORS SHOULD HAVE TREES SO THAT THEN WHEN THEY COME OUT TO THE MEETING AREAS THAT THEY HAVE SHADE, UM, MAINTENANCE. I HOPE THAT THERE'S A WAY TO CODIFY MAINTENANCE THAT, BECAUSE WHAT I SAW IN OUR CODE IS THAT IT SAYS WATER, BUT SHOULD WE SPECIFY WATER X NUMBER OF DAYS, X VOLUME OF WATER? I DON'T KNOW. UM, I DO SEE A LOT OF DEVELOPMENTS WHERE THEIR TREES DIE DUE TO LACK OF WATERING AS WELL AS OTHER VEGETATION. UM, THE REQUEST FOR AN IPMP EXEMPTION, UM, I THINK THAT THAT'S HIGHLY INAPPROPRIATE, ESPECIALLY IT'S AN SOCIAL JUSTICE ISSUE. THESE, UM, LOWER INCOME PEOPLE ARE SUBJECTED TO MORE EMISSIONS, MORE PARTICULATE, UM, POLLUTANTS. AND THEY HAVE, THEY'RE SUBJECTED TO, UM, BEING IN PLACES THE LEAST DESIRABLE REAL ESTATE HAVING THEIR PROJECTS ON BECAUSE THE LAND'S CHEAPEST. I THINK THE LEAST WE CAN DO IS NOT REACH FOR THE ROUNDUP FIRST THING. THE IPMP THAT THE CITY'S WORKING ON RIGHT NOW IS NOT NO ROUNDUP. IT'S JUST BASICALLY AN INTEGRATED APPROACH WHERE YOU'RE CONSIDERING ORGANIC, SLIGHTLY TOXIC, A LITTLE MORE TOXIC, AND AT THE VERY END, IF NOTHING ELSE WORKS, YOU CAN DO ROUNDUP. BUT WE SHOULD HAVE SOME POLICY IN PLACE THAT SHOWS PEOPLE HOW TO MAKE DECISIONS AND I DON'T BELIEVE IN EXEMPTION FOR THAT. UM, LET'S SEE HERE. COLORS. CAN WE ENCOURAGE ORGANIC COLORS? I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF THAT [03:10:01] DEVELOPMENT DOWN THE STREET. THAT LOOKS LIKE ROMPER ROOM. YELLOW, GREEN, BLUE. UM, CAN WE PLEASE GO WITH SOMETHING THAT'S COOL AND PLEASING TO THE EYE AND MORE ORGANIC? UM, LET'S SEE HERE. AND THEN TO YOUR OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS ON PAGE 12, UM, NUMBER TWO, IT SAYS A MINIMUM OF 50% OF THE FRONT AND INSIDE SETBACK SURFACE SHALL BE LANDSCAPED. UM, 50% OF THE FRONT SETBACK LANDSCAPED, WHAT'S THE OTHER 50%? I DON'T UNDERSTAND IF THAT'S HARDSCAPE. I WOULD HOPE NOT. UM, I HOPE THAT WE WOULD GO FOR SOMETHING LIKE 75% OF THE FRONT AND SIDE SETBACKS BEING LANDSCAPED. UM, NUMBER THREE SAYS THE BUFFER, A BUFFER SHOULD BE 42 INCHES HIGH. I THINK IT SHOULD BE SIX FEET HIGH. UH, 42 IS NOT VERY HIGH WHEN YOU'VE GOT A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE NEXT TO A MULTI-FAMILY. UH, LOW INCOME PROPERTY AND THEN THE TREES THERE. NUMBER THREE, CAN WE MAKE THOSE CANOPY TREES? AND INSTEAD OF A RATE OF ONE TREE PER 30 FEET, HOW ABOUT ONE TREE PER 20 FEET? NEXT PAGE, E ARTIFICIAL TURF ON SPORTS FIELDS. NO, NO FOREVER CHEMICALS IN PETALUMA IN TERMS OF, UH, PLASTIC TURF ARE FOREVER CHEMICALS. THEY'RE CARCINOGENIC, ESPECIALLY FOR CHILDREN. THEY INHIBIT THEIR ENDOCRINE SYSTEM, THEIR IMMUNE SYSTEM, AND THEIR CARCINOGENIC. UM, I DO NOT BELIEVE WE SHOULD HAVE ANY EXEMPTIONS FOR ARTIFICIAL TURF. THEY, UM, KILL THE SOIL WITH HEAT. THEY ABSORB HEAT, AND THAT'S NOT GOOD FOR THE TREE ECOSYSTEM. UM, LET'S SEE HERE. NUMBER HI THINK THAT THE INSTALL OF LANDSCAPING STRIP OF NO LESS THAN SIX FEET WIDE BETWEEN THE ROAD AND THE PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY IS VERY GOOD. NUMBER ONE, I'D LIKE ONE TREE AT LEAST 20 FEET. AGAIN. NUMBER TWO, I'D LIKE AT LEAST TWO SHRUBS FOR 15 LINEAR FEET. AND, UM, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY FOR NOISE ABATEMENT. SHRUBS ARE LOWER, AND THE, THE NOISE COMING OFF OF A STREET FROM TRAFFIC IS, UM, IS ALSO A HEALTH PROBLEM FOR HEARTS, ESPECIALLY FOR SENIORS. UM, PAGE 14. UH, THERE'S INTEGRATED PEST MANAGEMENT PLAN. UM, OKAY, WE NEED TO ABIDE BY THAT. AND FOR GROUND COVER, LET'S LOOK AT, UM, NOT THE CRUSHED ROCK SO MUCH, BUT LET'S DO THE DROUGHT TOLERANT GROUND COVER, AND THEN FOR TREES IN THAT CHART DOWN BELOW. UNDER M, INSTEAD OF HAVING 24 INCH BOXES, WE SHOULD HAVE A HUNDRED PERCENT OF OUR TREES BEING AT LEAST 15 GALLONS. THERE IT IS 15 GALLONS. AND THEY SHOULD BE LIKE, MILL VALLEY SAYS AT LEAST SEVEN FEET TALL AT THE TIME OF INSTALLATION. NO BABY TREES, EVEN IF THEY COME IN A WHATEVER THAT IS, A 25 15 GALLON, 15 GALLON PLANTER. UM, NEXT PAGE, OUTDOOR SEATING. NO PLASTIC BENCHES UNLESS THEY'RE WONDER A HUNDRED PERCENT RECYCLED PLASTIC. UH, LET'S SEE HERE. D MAKE, UM, THOSE SENIOR AREAS SURROUNDED BY TREES. OUR SENIORS ARE SUBJECTED, UH, VULNERABLE TO HEAT STROKE NUMBER NINE, UH, FRONTAGE, UH, RIVER FRONTAGE HAVE A SETBACK FROM THE RIVER AND FROM THE WETLANDS OF A HUNDRED FEET. I THINK THAT'S WHAT OUR WATER QUALITY BOARD IS GOING FOR NOW. A HUNDRED FEET SET BACK FROM THE RIVERS. UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR CODE SAYS NOW. UM, AND I THINK OUR WETLAND DELINEATION SHOULD BE ACCORDING TO, UM, UH, WETLAND SPECIALISTS AND SHOULD CONFER WITH OUR RIVER ACCESS AND ENHANCEMENT PLAN, WHICH, UH, DEVELOPERS IN THE PAST HAVE NOT BEEN ABIDING FOR. THEY JUST GET THEIR OWN DELINEATION DONE. UM, LET'S SEE. AND I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY FOR RIPARIAN HABITAT, WHICH IS IMPORTANT FOR CLIMATE FIGHTING CLIMATE CHANGE. OKAY, NEXT PAGE, C WATERWAY ACCESSIBILITY. TWO, THE PATHWAYS. CAN THOSE BE WATER PERMEABLE PLEASE? UM, NUMBER FIVE, CAN WE GET AN EASEMENT ONTO THE WETLANDS? UM, WE'VE INJECTED SO MANY OF OUR WETLANDS WITH CONCRETE, WHICH IS REALLY BAD ALONG THE RIVER, ESPECIALLY FOR FLOODING. IT'S ONLY A 40 YEAR FLOOD WALL UP THERE. AND WE'RE THAT SB WHERE THAT BUILDER'S REMEDY. UM, DEVELOPMENT IS TRYING TO GO IN UNDER SB 35, I BELIEVE. UM, THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS SAID NEVER BUILD UP THERE, SO WE REALLY SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWING THEM TO INJECT CONCRETE INTO OUR WETLANDS, PLEASE. UM, AND LET'S SEE, [03:15:02] UH, IN ON PAGE 17, THE ENTRYWAY, CAN WE GET CANOPY P UH, TREES ON EITHER SIDE OF ENTRYWAYS FOR A SENSE OF PLACE? UM, BACK IN THE DAY, HOUSES USED TO HAVE TREES ON EITHER SIDE OF THEIR ENTRYWAYS, AND I THINK THAT'D BE REALLY NICE, ESPECIALLY FOR THE CHILDREN THAT ARE COMING BACK HOME AND THEY ONLY LIVE IN AN APARTMENT AND IT'S, UM, A PROJECT APARTMENT. THERE'S A LOT OF SHAME WHEN YOU'RE A KID AND YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF MONEY AND YOU HAVE TO LIVE IN A PROJECT. AND FOR THEM TO HAVE SOMETHING AS INEXPENSIVE AS TREES PLANTED ON EITHER SIDE OF THE ENTRYWAY, I THINK WE'LL HELP THEM FEEL A LITTLE BIT MORE WELCOMED, A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIAL, A LITTLE BIT MORE AT EASE WHEN THEY'RE COMING HOME. AND THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I JUST HAVE ONE QUICK COMMENT. THANK YOU, TARYN. THAT WAS VERY, UH, THOROUGH. AND I ALSO WANNA THANK STAFF FOR GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS. I, I WAS INVOLVED A FEW YEARS AGO IN DRAFTING A DESIGN STANDARDS MANUAL FOR THE CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO FOR THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, AND IT WAS QUITE A LABORIOUS AND TIME CONSUMING PROCESS. UM, I JUST WANNA ASK THAT IN TERMS OF BIKES, UH, ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING FOR BIKES, UH, THE BIKE LANES, PARKING, AND OTHER RELATED INFRASTRUCTURE THAT YOU THINK ABOUT MORE THAN JUST TWO WHEELED UH, BIKES. UH, AS A SENIOR PERSON, SOMEONE WHO'S DISABLED, I HAVE A RECUMBENT E TRIKE. AND I WOULD LIKE FOR, I GET A BIKE LANE SOMETIMES IN THE CITY, AND I GET TO A POINT WHERE THE BIKE LANE NARROWS DOWN TO ABOUT SIX INCHES, AND THEN I'M STUCK THERE. AND I'VE HAD TO MAKE CROSSOVER A BUSY ROADWAY ALL OF A SUDDEN, OR JUST TURN AROUND AND GO BACK THE WAY I CAME AND NOT BE ABLE TO GET TO MY DESTINATION. SO IF YOU COULD JUST THINK ABOUT THE IDEA THAT AS PEOPLE GET OLDER AND, UM, DISABLED PEOPLE, WE MAY BE USING DIFFERENT TYPES OF VEHICLES THAT REQUIRE MORE SPACE FOR PARKING AND FOR USING THE BIKE LANES. THANK YOU. I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH. UM, I JUST, AS FAR AS THE, UM, THE CREEK AND RIVER SETBACK, I, I BELIEVE IT'S 70 FEET. IS THAT, IS THAT, THAT'S A CITY STANDARD. UM, AND, UM, I, I KNOW THAT IN SOME CITIES THAT I WORK IN, IT'S, THEY DO REQUIRE A 60% NATIVE PLANT, UM, WITHIN THE GENERAL PLANT PLANT ITSELF, AND A HUNDRED PERCENT WITHIN THE SETBACK. UM, AND I KNOW, I KNOW THAT THERE'S A, THERE'S A CROSSOVER WITH THE, THE CITY, CITY ORDINANCES. UM, I ALSO WILL WEIGH IN ON THE ARTIFICIAL TURF. I JUST, I JUST AGREE A HUNDRED PERCENT WITH, WITH TARYN ON THAT. UM, AND CITIES ARE, ARE ACROSS THE COUNTRY, ARE ACT ACTIVELY BANNING THEM. THE USE OF IT, UM, LIKES AND DISLIKES, UH, AGAIN, IT'S, UM, IT'S ARBITRARY I THINK, BUT IT'S ALSO, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE DON'T LIKE TREES. SO I, I, I, I SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE CUTTING DOWN TREES IN THEIR FRONT YARDS BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE TREES. SO, UM, UH, HEDGES, I LIKE THE IDEA OF HEDGES. YOU KNOW, THERE ARE BOUNDARIES AS YOU KNOW, THE LIFE EXISTS IN THE, IN THE MARGINS. THEY'RE, THEY'RE A GREAT HABITAT. THEY'RE A GREAT RESOURCE. I LOVE THE ID I LOVE YOUR INCLUSION OF THE MURALS, THE PUBLIC ART PART. UH, IT MAKES ME THINK OF SAN FRANCISCO, THE MISSION DISTRICT. A LOT OF THE ALLEYS THERE WITH ALL THE, JUST AS PEOPLE GET TO KIND OF GO AND CREATE AS THEY WILL, UM, ACTUALLY, UM, STEP OUTTA LINE. BUT I ACTUALLY LIKE THE GRAFFITI. UM, AND, UM, I AGREE WITH BRIAN ABOUT THE BUILDING SIDEWALK RATIO. AND, UM, AND I THINK THAT'S, OH, AND THEN AS FAR AS THE INVASIVE, UH, NATIVE TO AND THE INVASIVE, UM, NOT HAVING AN, IT'S, IT'S SORT OF, WHAT'S THE DEFINITION OF INVASIVE? SO THERE'S THE, BUT LEO, WHICH IS THE BUTTERFLY BUSH, WHICH PEOPLE PLANT. I SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE PLANTING IT IN YARDS, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY, IT IS INVASIVE, BUT I'M NOT QUITE SURE. IT'S LISTED AS INVASIVE. THERE'S THE MEXICAN FEATHER GRASS, WHICH I SEE USED QUITE OFTEN, ESPECIALLY IN COMMERCIAL LANDSCAPES. UM, IT IS INVASIVE, BUT I'M NOT QUITE SURE IT'S LISTED AS INVASIVE. SO, UM, I, I THINK THAT JUST NEEDS TO BE, BE CLOSER, LOOKED AT. AND THAT'S MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALL RIGHT. THANKS AGAIN. UM, I THINK CANOPY IS A OPERABLE WORD FROM OUR TEAM OVER HERE. WE, UH, UH, I, I LOVED ALL THE COMMENTS. UH, I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE OF OUR PARKING LOTS LOOK LIKE FORESTS AND OUR SIDEWALKS WITH CONTINUOUS CANOPY, UH, PROVIDING SHADE AND COOLING OUR STREETS AND OUR, UH, HEAT ISLANDS. UH, THERE WAS SOME [03:20:01] SIX FOOT BY SIX FOOT PLANTER, UH, WHICH I WAS JUST BETTER THAN THE FOUR BY FOUR. UM, IDEALLY WE'D SEE A CONTINUOUS PLANTER STRIP. MM-HMM, THAT IS, UM, ALLOWS FOR, YOU KNOW, BETTER SOIL HEALTH, BETTER ROOT SYSTEMS IN OUR TREES. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GOVERNED MORE BY OUR STREET STANDARDS. UH, BUT I'D LIKE TO GET MORE FAMILIAR WITH OUR STREET STANDARDS. 'CAUSE I HAVE SEEN SOME, EVEN SOME VERY NEW DEVELOPMENTS AROUND TOWN THAT HAVE, WHERE WE'VE MAYBE MISSED THE OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY PUSH THE, THE OWNER TO CREATE MORE, UH, UH, OPEN SOIL, UH, WHAT ARE WE CALLING IT? UH, PLANTAR STRIPS. SO, UH, BACK TO CANOPY. MAYBE THERE'S A PLACE IN THIS FOR CANOPY PERCENTAGE ON OUR, UM, SIDEWALKS OR ON OUR, UH, PARKING LOTS OR MAYBE EVEN THE ENTIRE SITE ITSELF. UH, JUST A THOUGHT THERE. UM, LOOKING AT THIS LITTLE, I LOVE THE VISUAL OF IT, BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MORE SHADE, BIGGER TREES, I COULD SEE THESE CIRCLES THAT DEPICT THE TREES NEXT TO THE SHRUBS, NEXT TO THE PERENNIALS BEING MUCH BIGGER . OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL GREAT. UH, A NOTE ON CANOPY, IT, IT CAME UP THE OTHER DAY AS WELL, AND, AND IT ACTUALLY CAME UP DURING THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S REVIEW OF, UH, 5,002 PETALUMA BOULEVARD NORTH. AND SO WE, WE SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, CITY OF SACRAMENTO HAS, HAS A, A WELL-KNOWN CANOPY POLICY. AND WE SAID, WELL, WE'LL GO OVER AND LOOK AT THAT. WELL, IT'S A 20 PAGE POLICY, AND IT'S INCREDIBLY DETAILED. I, I THINK IT'S A GREAT GOAL TO STRIVE FOR. AND, AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT, THAT WE LOOK AT DOING IT THROUGH THE TREE ORDINANCE. UM, I THINK IT'S A BIT OUT OF THE SCOPE FOR THESE STANDARDS. WE, WE THOUGHT, WELL, MAYBE WE CAN DRAW FROM IT AND WRITE SOME BASIC STANDARDS INTO IT. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL BE ABLE TO FIND THAT LANGUAGE OR NOT, BUT I DO, I DO THINK THAT, UH, WE'VE EXPERIENCED IN DEVELOPING THESE DRAFT STANDARDS, A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHY, WHY DO WE WANT THE TREES? WELL, WE WANT THEM FOR CANOPY, FOR SHADE, YOU KNOW, AND SUCH. AND SO TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION WOULD BE A, A, A GREAT WAY WITH ALL OF OUR POLICIES. RIGHT. UM, AND ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT WOULD DRIVE IT, UH, SUCH AS THE TREE ORDINANCE. SO, THANK YOU, UM, MOVING THIS WAY. UM, PAMELA, GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION, AND I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF CONTENT HERE, AND YOU, YOU DID A GREAT JOB REELING IT BACK A LITTLE BIT AND PRESENTING IT. SO, UM, SOME OF US COULD UNDERSTAND KIND OF THE, UH, COMMENCEMENT OF THE PROCESS AND WHY IT MATTERS. AND I DO THINK, I THINK I'M PERSONALLY, UM, CON, UH, CONFLATING THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS ON THE CITY RULES, REGS, AND ORDINANCE, AND THEN HOW THESE FIT IN. HMM. SO, APOLOGIES IF I'M ASKING FOR SOME DETAIL OR A REQUIREMENT THAT SHOULD REALLY BE NOT IN THESE DESIGN STANDARDS, BUT SOMEWHERE ELSE. UM, I'M GONNA LIMIT ALL MY COMMENTS TO THE, UM, UH, WATERWAY ACCESSIBILITY AND AS IT RELATES TO TRAILS AND BIKES. SO IS THIS AN APPROPRIATE PLACE TO MENTION SOMETHING ABOUT, UH, ACCESS TO THE WATER FROM, UH, THE RECREATIONAL PERSPECTIVE? SO IT SAYS WATERWAY ACCESSIBILITY. WE TALK ABOUT PATHS AND CONSTRUCTION OF PATHS, UH, BOARDWALK, UH, IF IT'S APPROPRIATE, DO WE WANNA SAY, Y YOU KNOW, EACH PARCEL SHALL OF, YOU KNOW, XC SIZE PROVIDE ACCESS, UH, ALONG ITS FRONTAGE TO THE RIVER. MAYBE NOT THE CREEK FOR RECREATIONAL PURPOSES, WHETHER THAT'S PUT IN SPOT FOR A SMALL BOAT OR SOMETHING. SO JUST PERHAPS TO CONSIDER THAT, UM, I THINK I WAS, WAS A LITTLE, UH, THERE WAS A QUESTION ASKED EARLIER ABOUT, UM, UM, WHETHER WE TALK ABOUT FRONTAGE, IF THERE'S, UM, THAT EACH SHALL PROVIDE FRONTAGE ALONG THE, THE RIVER OR THE CREEK, UH, FOR PUBLIC ACCESS, I ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S DISCUSSING ACCESS THROUGH A PARCEL TO GET TO THAT FRONTAGE ACCESS, RIGHT? MM-HMM. . AND THEN THAT ACCESS THROUGH THE PARCEL WHERE THAT GOES. AND THAT RELATES TO MANY OF THE CONNECTIVITY ISSUES THAT WE TALK ABOUT HERE AT, UH, PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE ADVISORY. AND MAYBE, AGAIN, THAT'S COVERED [03:25:01] ELSEWHERE. UM, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THOUGHT IS GIVEN IN THESE DESIGN STANDARDS TO HOW EACH APPLICANT NEEDS TO THINK ABOUT FRONTAGE ACCESS ALONG A RIVER OR CREEK THROUGH ACCESS, IN MY WORDS. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, GETTING TO WHAT ELSE EXISTS OR MAY EXIST IN THE FUTURE. UM, AND, UH, UH, SEVERAL OF THESE, THE STANDARDS HERE, UM, SEEM TO GIVE AN APPLICANT, UH, AN OPTION AS TO WHAT TYPE OF FACILITY THEY'RE GOING TO CONSTRUCT. SO, UM, UNDERWATER WAY, C UH, TWO TALKS ABOUT CONSTRUCTED AS EITHER A CLASS ONE THROUGH THREE OR A RECREATIONAL TRAIL. AND AGAIN, THERE MAY BE ANOTHER STANDARD ELSEWHERE THAT WOULD REALLY DEFINE WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO, BUT COULD WE BE A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC OR EVEN PRESCRIPTIVE HERE ABOUT WHAT THEY DO, UM, THAT IS IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, HOW WIDE, UH, HOW SEPARATE, UM, SO I'M WONDERING IF WE CAN BE A LITTLE TIGHTER, AS OPPOSED TO WHAT I READ THERE. IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S, UH, MORE PERMISSIVE. UM, AND, UM, REGARDING THESE, UM, THE BOARDWALK CONCEPT. AND THAT MAKES ME WONDER WHERE WE EVEN HAVE ANY BOARDWALKS RIGHT NOW THAT AREN'T AT THE ALMOND MARSH. UM, ARE THESE, UM, ARE THESE THE STANDARDS THAT WE THINK WILL BE IMPLICATED ALONG THE, THE NEW MCNAIR PENINSULA DEVELOPMENTS? UM, AND I'M, I'M JUST WONDERING, UM, DO WE NEED TO SAY THINGS LIKE THE DISTANCE OF THE BOARDWALK FROM, YOU KNOW, THE MEAN HIGH TIDE MM-HMM. ? DO WE NEED TO ASK FOR SOME KIND OF, UM, DO WE NEED TO BE SPECIFIC ABOUT HOW FAR, HOW FAR, HOW FAR BACK FROM THE WATERFRONT AND EXISTING VE VEGETATION, SO WE'RE NOT DAMAGING HABITAT? UM, WE CERTAINLY HAVE HEARD PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UH, WHEN ONE PUTS A, A, UH, MULTI-USE PATH RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF A WETLAND, WE'RE PROBABLY DISTURBING, UH, YOU KNOW, WATERFOWL, ET CETERA. SO MAYBE SOME BALANCING IN THAT REGARD. UM, AND AS FAR AS THE MATERIALS THAT ONE USES WITH THE BOARDWALK, UH, CONSTRUCTION, DO WE NEED TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT WHAT THOSE ARE MADE OF? UM, AND AGAIN, MAYBE WE DO THAT SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT IF IT'S GONNA BE IN CONTACT WITH WETLANDS, WATER TIDAL INFLUENCES, DO WE WANNA SAY SOMETHING ABOUT WHAT IT SHOULD NOT CONTAIN? SO THERE'S NO, IN MY WORDS, LEACHING. UM, YEAH. SO THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS. AND, AND THE MAIN EMPHASIS FOR ME IS ABOUT, UH, PROVISION OF CONNECTIVITY, UH, TO EXISTING AND FUTURE PLANNED. YEAH. MM-HMM. , THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. JUST WAIT FOR YOU, YOU READY, ANDREW? UH, WELL, I'LL LET YOU START TAKING NOTES. NO, GO AHEAD. . I GUESS IT IS ALL RECORDED. I'VE ALWAYS GOT THE VIDEO, RIGHT? YEP. THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. UM, SO I'M GONNA JUMP TO SECTION SIX IN LANDSCAPING. UH, TO START WITH, UM, THERE'S SECTION SIX, B ONE AND B TWO. I'M NOT SURE I REALLY, UM, I AGREE WITH THOSE, TO BE HONEST. UM, IT SAYS ANY UNUSED AREA OF THE SITE SHALL BE LANDSCAPED. BARE GROUND IS NOT PERMITTED. I'M, I'M NOT SAYING I WANT BARE GROUND, BUT WHAT I'VE SEEN IN A LOT OF PROJECTS IS THAT, UM, THE LANDSCAPING PLAN LOOKS A LOT BETTER ON PAPER THAN IT ACTUALLY WINDS UP BEING. UM, AND I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE SAID FOR LETTING PLACES, UH, LETTING AN APARTMENT BUILDING BECOME A COMMUNITY SPACE AND, AND JUST TRUSTING THAT FLEXIBLE SPACES ACTUALLY HAPPEN AND, AND GET CREATED. UM, I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO, THE SECOND ONE SAYS, A MINIMUM OF 50% OF THE FRONT AND SIDE SETBACKS SURFACE AREA SHALL BE LANDSCAPED. UM, I THINK THIS, MY EXPERIENCE WITH THIS, WHEN I THINK ABOUT IT IN PRACTICE IS LIKE, IT MAKES FOR A SMALL WALKWAY IN AN AREA AND LIKE USELESS LANDSCAPING. UM, AND YOU WIND UP WITH LIKE, PEOPLE WALKING ON THE LANDSCAPING ANYWAY BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO GET BY PEOPLE AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S UNCOMFORTABLE WALK BY, YOU KNOW, TWO PEOPLE. UM, YOU KNOW, IT JUST, IT, [03:30:01] YOU WIND UP WITH JUST TRASH LANDSCAPE WHEN WE, UM, FORCE A, YOU KNOW, A THREE FOOT PIECE OF LANDSCAPING. SO, UM, I'D ENCOURAGE US TO THINK MORE ABOUT HOW THAT GETS, UM, HOW WE, UH, WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY TRYING TO ACHIEVE THERE. RIGHT? MM-HMM. , BECAUSE IT JUST FEELS LIKE JUST RANDOM NUMBERS OF AMOUNTS OF LANDSCAPING, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S, UM, ACHIEVING OUR GOAL. UM, UH, SO THEN SIX H HIGHWAY ARTERIAL ADJACENT SITES. UM, THIS KIND OF GETS AT SOME OF THE STREET DESIGN STUFF THAT I WAS ASKING ABOUT EARLIER. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S TALKING ABOUT LIKE, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE SHRUBS HAVE TO BE IS SIX FEET BETWEEN THE, UM, THE ROAD. UM, I, I LIKE THIS AND I JUST WONDER IF WE CAN DO THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE, IF WE SOMEHOW CAN REQUIRE THAT A SIX FOOT WIDE STRIPE, CAN WE ALSO REQUIRE THAT SIX FOOT WIDE STRIPE IS LIKE BELOW THE SURFACE OF THE ROAD SO THAT IT ACTUALLY SEQUESTERS THE WATER. RIGHT. UM, 'CAUSE THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, AND IT'S, WE CAN DO IT ON THE ARTERIAL, UH, STREETS, BUT MAYBE NOT ON EVERY STREET. SO, UM, THAT'S THAT, UM, FOR SOME OF THE, I I THINK THAT THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE SAID FOR SENIOR VERSUS NON-SENIOR HOUSING AND JUST NEEDING TO GO THROUGH AND, AND JUST, UM, LOOK AT THE, UH, WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS MIGHT BE. OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR SENIOR AND NOT SENIOR. UM, UH, I THINK TRICYCLES ARE A GREAT EXAMPLE. MM-HMM. LIKE BIKE PARKING, MAYBE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, WE NEED FEWER, BUT WE NEED TO HAVE BIGGER, WE ALSO NEED TO MAKE SPACE FOR, UM, GONNA CHANNEL THE CHAIR HERE FOR, UH, CARGO BIKES TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, TOO SMALL. UM, UH, I THINK WE COULD HAVE, WE COULD JUSTIFY EXEMPTIONS FOR SMALL PARK SPACES, UM, DEPENDING ON IF THE PROPERTY IS CLOSE TO, UM, AN EXISTING PARK. UM, I THINK WE'RE, WE GIVE, WE GIVE SOME CREDENCE TO OPEN SPACE AND LIKE COMMUNITY SPACES IN THE SENIORS, UH, WE REPLACE LIKE THE, THE TOT LOT WITH A COMMUNAL SPACE FOR SENIORS. BUT, UM, LIKE PARENTS NEED COMMUNAL SPACES TOO. UM, AND I THINK SOME OF LIKE THE, LIKE WORTHLESS LANDSCAPING THAT I THINK PROBABLY COMES ABOUT, WE COULD HAVE FOUR FLEXIBLE SEMI-PERMEABLE SPACES OR SOMETHING FOR WITH BARBECUE PITS OR PICNIC TABLES OR SOMETHING THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO GATHER. UM, I THINK ON THE, ON THE BIKE PARKING, UH, BALCONIES SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO BE COUNTED, AND THEY MUST BE ALLOWED TO, UM, BE USED. UM, AND THEN I REALLY THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY REQUIRING MOBILITY FOR, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY A NOMINAL COST IN A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT. SO THAT'S ALL. GREAT. THANK YOU. UM, JUST ON THE NOTE OF, UH, THE DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN THE SENIOR HOUSING, UM, PERHAPS SUBBING OUT SOME OF, IF THERE IS A NEED TO SUB OUT BIKE RACKS, UH, THEY COULD BE SUBBED OUT FOR BENCHES OR OUTDOOR EXERCISE EQUIPMENT. MM-HMM. , JUST AGAIN FOR THE MOBILITY, UM, THE, THE EXERCISE PIECE. THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU ADAM. UH, YEAH, LET'S SEE. I THINK RECOMMENDATIONS, AND YES, THESE MAY BE COST PROHIBITIVE, BUT THEY'RE, I THINK WORTHY NONETHELESS. UH, DEFINITELY, YEAH, SUPPORT MULTI-USE OR MULTI TYPES OF, UH, KIND OF ELECTRIC BICYCLES. I'M PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN IF THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF, UM, JUST A VERY LOW NUMBER OF BIKES, BUT SOME TYPE OF BIKE SHARE PROGRAM, UM, THAT CAN BE INSTITUTED IN TERMS OF ACCESS. I THINK THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO SAY AROUND HAVING KIND OF A DEDICATED BICYCLE ACCESS ROUTE FROM THE STREET TO WHEREVER THAT MAIN ENTRANCE IS OR WHERE THE BICYCLE PARKING IS LOCATED. UM, I THINK THAT'S JUST AN ISSUE COMING UP IN OBVIOUSLY SHOPPING CENTERS AND OTHER AREAS, BUT IF THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN START TO LOOK AT POTENTIALLY THAT WOULD BE GREAT. UH, I AM PARTICULARLY INTERESTED ALSO IN JUST THE BUILDING DESIGN [03:35:01] IN TERMS OF GREEN BUILDING DESIGN. UM, IT'D BE GREAT TO HAVE SOMETHING IN THERE THAT MORE THINK APLEY GETS TO COOL ROOFS, SO DOESN'T HAVE TO BE NECESSARILY GREEN, THEY HAVE WHITE ROOFS, BUT JUST SOMETHING TO REDUCE THE HEAT LOAD. UM, AND I FOUND SOMETHING JUST IN LOOKING REAL QUICK. UH, I THINK IT WAS THE CITY OF PALO ALTO THAT HAD SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF OPTIMIZED BUILDING ORIENTATION FOR THERMAL COMFORT, SHADING DAY LIGHTING AND NATURAL VENTILATION, AND OTHER FORMS OF PASSIVE DESIGN. SO I THINK THIS IS ABOUT HOW YOU ORIENT AND DESIGN THE BUILDING IN WAYS THAT'S NOT GONNA CREATE HUGE ENERGY LOADS FOR THOSE USERS DOWN THE ROAD, ESPECIALLY TO TRY TO MAKE IT AFFORDABLE IN TERMS OF THE COSTS OF BUILDING OPERATION. AND THEN, UM, LET'S SEE, THE LAST RECOMMENDATION WAS AROUND THE LIGHTING. I REALLY APPRECIATE JUST KIND OF REDUCING LIGHT POLLUTION, LIGHT TRESPASS, AND ALSO SOMETHING AROUND ORIENTING AWAY FROM RIPARIAN CORRIDORS I GUESS MIGHT BE HELPFUL, UM, JUST TO REALLY EMPHASIZE THAT, UM, ASPECT OF IT JUST TO KEEP THOSE PLACES MORE WILD AT THE NIGHTTIME. UM, AND OH, THE ONE OTHER THOUGHT I THINK, YEAH, IS GETTING A LITTLE BIT OUTSIDE OF IT IS WHERE STREET STANDARDS ARE BLENDING, BUT IT WAS, UM, TO, TO THE COMMENT AROUND HOW THERE'S CERTAIN SOILS IN PETALUMA THAT ARE MORE, UM, AMENABLE TO, UH, STORMWATER FILTRATION PROJECTS. SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING JUST TO CONSIDER AROUND THE STREET STANDARDS, IF THERE'S A SOIL TYPE MAP OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. IT SAYS IF THESE ARE AREAS POTENTIALLY APPROPRIATE FOR, UM, FOR LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT, STORM WATER SEQUESTRATION, THAT THOSE CAN BE BETTER DEFINED, UM, WHERE IT'S APPROPRIATE. AND I THINK THAT IS ALL. THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU, MARCIA. THANKS, NICOLE. UM, LET'S SEE. I'M ON PAGE NINE. AND WE HAD RECENTLY, OR JUST EARLIER, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL BIKE PARKING SPACES REQUIRED AND WONDERED WHERE THAT VERBIAGE CAME FROM. UM, I JUST WANTED TO ADD, UM, THAT I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO SEE THAT REMAIN BECAUSE I THINK IT'S PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT FOR OUR LOW INCOME RESIDENTS THAT THESE KINDS OF DEVELOPMENTS WOULD, UM, ATTRACT WHO NEED LESS EXPENSIVE TRANSPORTATION. SO IT ONLY MAKES GREAT, UM, TO ME IT JUST MEANS THAT THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED TO HAVE IN THIS PARTICULAR PLAN. AND THEN ON PAGE 13, WHERE IT'S TALKING ABOUT TREE PLANTING AND IT TALKS ABOUT TREE PLANTERS ADJACENT TO SIDEWALKS AND PAVEMENTS SHALL BE PROTECTED BY ROOT BARRIERS AND MAY NOT BE PROTECTED BY, AND MAY ALSO BE PROTECTED BY GRATES. UM, I'M A BIG WALKER IN THIS TOWN, AND I HAVE PRACTICALLY FALLEN INTO A LOT OF THOSE, UM, ROOT BARRIERS. I UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAVE THEM, BUT THEY ARE ALWAYS DEFICIENT OF SOIL ON THE TOP OR ROCK OR WHAT HAVE YOU, MAKING THEM PARALLEL WITH OUR, OUR SIDEWALK. AND THEY'RE A DANGER TO PEDESTRIANS. OFTENTIMES, THEY DON'T HAVE GRATES OR IF THEY HAVE GRATES, AS WE'VE SEEN, AS I SAW WHEN I WAS WALKING DOWNTOWN YESTERDAY, UM, THE GRATES HAVE BEEN SKEWED AND THEY'RE NO LONGER DOING WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING. SO I WOULD LIKE TO PROMOTE THE IDEA OF, UM, ROOT PROTECT ROOT BARRIERS. I KNOW IT'S IMPORTANT, BUT ALSO LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE PROTECT OUR BICYCLISTS, OUR ROLLERS, AND OUR PEDESTRIANS FROM FALLING INTO ONE OF THOSE, UH, AREAS. IT'S NOT A PLE WOULDN'T BE A PLEASANT FALL. UH, THEN I ALSO WANTED TO LOOK ON NOTE ON PAGE 15. I CAN'T HELP BUT SUGGEST AND, AND NOT SUGGEST, BUT JUST DOUBLE THIS ONE. UH, THE SENIOR CITIZEN DEVELOPMENTS FOR DEVELOPMENTS OF 25 OR MORE DWELLING UNITS AND AGE RESTRICTED BY SENIOR CITI, TWO SENIOR CITIZENS, THAT THE PLAY AREA BE REPLACED WITH A COMMUNAL GARDEN AND OR OUTDOOR FITNESS AREA OF THE SAME SIZE AND DIMENSIONS. THAT'S EXCELLENT. LET'S KEEP THAT. AND, UH, DOWN A BIT ON THAT PAGE WHEN IT TALKS ABOUT LIGHTING, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIGHTING LOCATION, AND ITEM NUMBER TWO STATED ALL SIDEWALKS AND PEDESTRIAN PATHS OF TRAVEL. AND ITEM THREE POINTS OF CONFLICT [03:40:01] WHERE VEHICULAR TRAFFIC FLOW CROSSES PATHS WITH PEDESTRIANS AND OR BIKE FACILITIES. THOSE ARE VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE KEEP, DEFINITELY NEED THAT LIGHTING. AND THEN THE LAST THING WAS JUST THAT I WONDERED IF IT WONDERED IF IT WERE A TYPO ON PAGE 16. IT WAS TALKING ABOUT WATERWAY ACCESSIBILITY. AND IN 0.2, UNDER THIS WATERWAY ACCESSIBILITY, IT SAID THE PATHWAY SHALL BE CONSTRUCTED IS EITHER A CLASS ONE OR THREE, OR AS A RECREATIONAL TRAIL. AGAIN, WE'RE ALL ABOUT CLASS TWO. I WAS WONDERING IF THAT WAS A TYPO AND MAYBE IT SHOULD STATE CLASS ONE OR CLASS TWO AS A RECREATIONAL TRAIL AS IDENTIFIED BY THE GENERAL PLAN, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. ANYWAY, CHANGING THE THREE , WHICH IS TAKE THE ROAD TO A TWO, WHICH IS, UH, TO FOUR, WHICH IS A PROTECTED BIKE FACILITY, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. IT DOES MAKE SENSE. UM, FOR CONTEXT, BECAUSE THIS HAS COME UP A COUPLE TIMES. UM, SO THIS ALSO COMES FROM THE RIVER ENHANCEMENT AND ACCESS PLAN. AND THEN THE, THE, UH, AND MAYBE MY WRITING DIDN'T COMMUNICATE THIS WELL ENOUGH, BUT THE IDEA IS THAT IN THE GENERAL PLAN, THERE'S A PROPOSED AND EXISTING BICYCLE FACILITIES MAP THAT DESIGNATES WHAT CLASS THE TRAIL SHOULD BE. SO WE'RE MAKING IT A SHELL THAT YOU HAVE TO CONSTRUCT THE PATH AS IT'S DESIGNATED IN THE PLAN. UM, NOW THAT PLAN IS ALSO IN THE PROCESS OF BEING UPDATED. UM, SO I HOPE THAT, THAT LIKE, WELL, ACTUALLY, I CAN , I CAN HELP MAKE SURE THAT FEEDBACK ALSO GOES TOWARD THE, UM, I'M SURE BJORN'S ALREADY BROUGHT IT UP, BUT I CAN MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS COMMUNICATED TO THE GENERAL PLAN PROCESS. BUT, UM, AT THIS POINT WE COULD CHANGE THAT. UM, I THINK, I MEAN, I DON'T SEE WHY NOT WE COULD BRING THAT AS A RECOMMENDATION TO PLANNING COMMISSION IF, IF WE WANTED TO, IF, IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THE COMMITTEE WANTED TO RECOMMEND, THAT SHOULD GO AS, AND I ACTUALLY, THAT WAS A GOOD CATCH. MARJA, I, I WOULD THINK WE COULD JUST STRIKE, UM, CLASS ONE THROUGH THREE AND JUST, JUST SAY CLASS ONE, UH, OR AS A RECREATIONAL TRAIL BECAUSE, UM, CLASS TWO AND CLASS THREE, THOSE ARE ON STREET FACILITIES AND THIS SECTION SEEMS TO BE SPECIFIC TO OFF STREET TRAILS. THAT MAKES GREAT SENSE. THANKS BJORN. RIGHT. THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY I COULDN'T OPEN MY MOUTH BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE MY BRAIN WAS, BUT I COULDN'T GET IT OUT, . IT'S A LONG EVENING. YES. THANK YOU. THAT'S MY, THE END OF MY COMMENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MARCIA. ARE THERE ANY OTHER FINAL COMMENTS? YES, TARA. THANK YOU. I OVERLOOKED ONE. UM, ON PAGE 10, UM, THOSE TWO PICTURES OF, UM, FENCING DESIGN, THE ONE ON THE RIGHT, UM, I THINK THIS KIND OF GETS TO WHOEVER WAS MAKING A COMMENT ABOUT MURALS, UM, THAT DESIGN ON THE RIGHT IS LIKE, SO 1960 AND 1970, UM, A LOT OF COMMUNITIES DON'T DO THE GRID WITH THAT COLUMN POPPING OUT. THEY DO MORE LIKE WAVES. THEY HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S EMBLEMATIC OF THE BRAND OF THE, UH, OF THE CITY THAT SHOWS UP. UM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S LEAF DESIGNS OR DEER, SOMETHING NATURE, BUT MORE FLOWING LINES. AND UM, LIKE THE EXAMPLE WOULD BE THE, UH, SOUND WALL OUT ON THE FREEWAY OUT THERE THAT CALTRANS PUT UP. IT'S LIKE BANDAID COLOR. IT COULD NOT BE UGLIER. AND IT'S THAT GRID, IT'S THE VERTICAL IN THE HORIZONTAL. I THINK PERHAPS THERE'S ROOM TO ADD THAT SPECIFY THAT WE WANT MORE ARTISTIC NATURE IMPRINTED LINES AND COLOR FOR SUCH, UH, UM, I GUESS THIS IS BRICK OR STUCCO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UM, RATHER THAN THIS, BECAUSE THIS IS REALLY HIDEOUS AND I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO STICK OURSELVES WITH SOMETHING THIS HIDEOUS. THANK YOU. I HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT. UM, I JUST WANTED TO ADD ON TO THE, UM, 60% NATIVE REQUIREMENTS OR THE A HUNDRED PERCENT IN THE SETBACKS. UM, AND ALSO PIGGYBACKING ON WHAT BRIAN SAID ABOUT SORT OF ARBITRARY LANDSCAPE OR JUST WASTED LANDSCAPE, UM, IS THAT, AND, AND, AND I UNDERSTAND ALSO THAT THIS IS A, THIS IS SOMETHING I THINK THE CITY NEEDS TO ADOPT AS A, AS A CITY STANDARD, BUT, UM, DESIGNING FOR HABITAT, YOU KNOW, SO IF THERE COULD BE SOME SORT OF LANGUAGE INSERTED [03:45:01] IN THERE THAT, UM, THAT HABITAT REGENERATION IS IMPORTANT TO, TO DEVELOPMENT AND TO THE, TO THE OVERALL HEALTH OF, OF NOT JUST THE, YOU KNOW, HUMANS THAT LIVE THERE, BUT THE MORE THAN HUMANS THAT LIVE THERE. SO IT'S FOR ALL OF US. SO, UM, ANYWAY, GREAT. THANK YOU, . THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANDREW AND HEATHER. THANK YOU ALL. YEAH. AND WHEN THIS COMES BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION LATER THIS MONTH, IT, IT WILL COME BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION ON NOVEMBER 28TH FOR A STUDY SESSION. OKAY. AND THEN WE RE WE PLAN TO RETURN TO PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, UH, RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL ON DECEMBER 12TH. THANK YOU. UH, BUT THEN, THEN IT WOULD NOT GO BEFORE COUNSEL UNTIL, UM, UH, JANUARY OR FEBRUARY OF 2024. THANK YOU SO MUCH. GREAT. THANK YOU ALL. WE, WE GREATLY APPRECIATE YOUR FEEDBACK. SO AT THIS POINT, WE'LL WE CAN TAKE A RECESS. WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO THAT BJORN? UH, SO WE HAVE, UH, IF, IF WE WANT TO POWER THROUGH, I KNOW IT'S A LATE NIGHT. I'VE SEEN OUR NUMBERS ARE DWINDLING. WE DO HAVE ONE MORE ITEM WHERE WE WERE SEEKING FEEDBACK FROM BOTH THE TREE AND PEDESTRIAN, OH, I'M SORRY, BICYCLE ADVISORY COMMITTEES, . UM, SO IF YOU ALL ARE ABLE TO POWER THROUGH, UH, WHICH HOPEFULLY WILL BE A BRIEF PRESENTATION, UM, WE CAN DO THAT. UH, AND THEN, UH, YEAH, GIVEN THAT IT'S, IT'S LATE, I THINK WE COULD, WE COULD MAYBE TAKE A MOTION AFTER THAT TO, TO, UH, JUST ADJOURN THE MEETING WITHOUT GOING THROUGH COMMITTEE STAFF AND STAFF COMMENT AND THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN PRESENTATION. AND I CAN FOLLOW UP BY EMAIL ON SOME OF THOSE ITEMS. SURE. IS THAT OKAY? OKAY. SO NOW WE WILL PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON THE KENTUCKY STREET GOLDEN CONCOURSE CROSSWALK IMPROVEMENTS. AND I, I HAVE THIS AS EMMANUEL URSO. IS THIS URN? THIS IS, UH, KEN. SORRY. OH, THANK YOU. YOU OKAY? YEAH. OKAY. SO, UM, THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH FOR ALL YOUR TIME AND BEING HERE. AND SO, UM, THIS PROJECT IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME. I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET THIS THROUGH FOR A LONG TIME. IT'S GOT A LOT OF DIFFERENT LITTLE ELEMENTS OF IT, BUT I'M GONNA TRY TO KEEP IT SHORT AND SWEET HERE. CERTAINLY YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, LET ME KNOW. SO THE SCOPE IS, IS REALLY, THERE'S THREE COMPONENTS TO THIS, UM, PROJECT AREA IS THE PRIDE CROSSWALK. UM, WE HAVE A TRIP FALL ON THE SIDEWALK, UM, AT 1 33 WHERE THE GAME STORE IS. AND THEN WE'VE HAD A, UM, A LAWSUIT FOR THE ADA COMPLIANCE, UM, FOR THE GOLDEN CONCOURSE CURB RAMP THERE. AND THEN WE'RE, WE DID THE, THE, UH, PRIDE CROSSWALK. ALL THESE ARE INTERCONNECTED. UM, SO THE BASIC PROBLEM IS WE'VE GOT TWO TREES THAT THERE THAT HAVE BEEN, UM, THEY'VE CAUSED LAWSUITS FOR THE CITY. I'VE GOT THREE ARBORIST REPORTS THAT ALL SAID, REMOVE THE TREES. WE'VE GOT A, UH, FIRE HYDRANT THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO IT. WE'VE GOT SIDEWALK THAT'S BEEN, UM, MOVED BECAUSE OF IT. SO YOU KNOW, THE TREES WE NEED TO PUT IN THE PROPER TREES, UM, AND, AND PUT 'EM IN, INSTALL 'EM WITH THE PROPER METHODS. SO EXTRAS. SO THESE ARE THE THREE ARBORIST REPORTS. UM, YOU CAN CERTAINLY EMAIL ME, I CAN SEND YOU THAT INFORMATION. BUT BASICALLY IN SUMMARY, WE'VE GOT, THE ROOTS ARE CRACKING THE SIDEWALKS. THEY'VE GOT WEAK ATTACHED LIMBS, UH, REFERRED, REFERRED TO AS INCLUDED BARK WHERE THE BARK GETS IN THERE AND STARTS PULLING THE, UM, THE, THE LIMB AWAY FROM THE, THE TRUNK OF THE TREE GOT FIRE BLIGHT. UM, THESE ARE PEAR TREES, WHICH ARE PART OF THE ROSE PLANT THING. I, I'M GONNA SOUND LIKE AN ARBORIST, BUT PROBABLY NOT. UM, BUT I, UNDER FIRE BLIGHT, THEY HAVE FIRE BLIGHT AND THEN THERE'S A SIGN OF THE SPLIT RIM. SO SUMMARY OF THE THREE REPORTS, THEY'RE UNSTABLE, UM, POTENTIAL HAZARD AND, UM, SHOULD BE REMOVED AND REPLACED. SO MOVING ON, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE EXISTING TREES, PRIMARILY CHINESE, PIST, UM, BOTH MALE AND FEMALE. UM, WE HAVE ONE OTHER PAIR AND THEN RED MAPLE. AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDED, THESE ARE SOME OF THE RECOMMENDED REPLACEMENT TREES FROM, YOU KNOW, THE ARBORISTS AND FROM, YOU KNOW, WHAT I'VE, I'VE KIND OF HEARD, BUT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON THIS [03:50:01] AND, AND, UM, I'LL FIGURE OUT THE BEST WAY OF DOING IT. UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA NEED THAT FEEDBACK UNTIL JANUARY. UM, WE'RE GONNA REMOVE THE TREES, UM, TOMORROW AND, AND WE WILL REPLACE THE TREES, UM, WITH PROPER TREES. BUT WE'RE GONNA DO ALL THAT AFTER THE HOLIDAYS. SO, UM, AND THIS IS MY WEAK ATTEMPT AT TRYING TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF THESE ARE, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, DON'T LAUGH PLEASE. . I THOUGHT PASTA. YEAH, . SO HERE'S, YOU'RE, WE'VE GOT, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING TOWARDS KELLER, KELLER STREET PARKING GARAGE, AND WE'RE LOOKING DOWN THE GOLDEN CONCOURSE AT THE ROUND TABLE THERE. AND WE COULD PUT A COUPLE, WE'RE GONNA PUT A COUPLE TREES ON THERE. I'M DOING A BALL BOUT AS MUCH AS I CAN, BUT I WANT TO, THERE'S A COUPLE OF SLIDES THAT I WANT TO SHOW YOU WITH SOME IDEAS. UM, AND THIS IS THE IDEAS, YOU KNOW, WHY NOT, WHY NOT TRY TO ELEVATE THE CROSSWALK THERE? AND SO YOU GET A LITTLE BIT OF A, YOU KNOW, A TRAFFIC CALMING EFFECT OF IT. I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED BECAUSE THE, THE DRAINAGE SLOPE IS A THREE QUARTERS TO A 1%, AND SO WE HAVE TO GO AHEAD AND COVER UP THE, THE DRAINAGE CHANNEL, AND THAT'S A MAINTENANCE ISSUE. BUT, UM, THIS IS ACTUALLY CHRISTOPHER BOLT'S IDEA, AND I, YOU KNOW, I'M KIND OF, I'M GOING, IT, IT MEETS THE ADA REQUIREMENTS. IT HELPS ME DEAL WITH GETTING PROPER DETECTABLE SERVICES IN THERE AND PROPER ADA COMPLIANCE. SO I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO MOVE THIS FORWARD HERE. UM, AND, UM, THIS, THESE ARE ANOTHER EXAMPLES. SO HERE WE ARE LOOKING, YOU KNOW, OVERALL, UM, GOT THE PRIDE CROSSWALK THAT WILL GET REDONE. UM, THE CITY MANAGER IS, IS REALLY, SHE'S, SHE'S GIVEN, UM, HIGH EMPHASIS TO GETTING THAT PUT BACK IN A PERMANENT CONDITION. SO WE'RE WORKING ON THAT, BUT I WANT TO DEAL WITH THE ADA SAFETY ISSUES, THE TRIP FALL ISSUES. SO THAT'S KIND OF IN SUMMARY. AND, AND WHAT I, WHAT I ASK THE TREE COMMITTEE IN PARTICULAR IS RECOMMENDATION ON THE TREE TYPES, AND WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT RIGHT HERE. AND ALSO THE INSTALLATION, UH, TECHNIQUES. AND, UM, AGAIN, THIS IS WHERE IF I HAD AN AD HOC COMMITTEE, WHICH, UM, I, I'VE SENT AN EMAIL TO THE, UM, UH, DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY TO TRY TO GET INFORMATION SO I CAN, YOU KNOW, GET, GET INFORMATION FROM THE TREE COMMITTEE. AND I THINK HOWARD, IF YOU COULD ASK, UM, YOU KNOW, AT THE, YOU KNOW, CINDY AND, AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO ON THAT. SO, SO THAT'S, UM, THE KENTUCKY STREET, UM, IMPROVEMENTS AND, UM, ANY QUESTIONS? SO, OKAY, I WENT TO EVERY BUSINESS THERE, TALK TO MOST PEOPLE. I'VE DONE IT TWICE NOW. EVERYBODY'S AWARE OF IT. AND THERE HAS BEEN NO BAD, NOTHING, NOTHING EVEN MILDLY CRITICAL. I THINK PEOPLE JUST, WE WANT TO BEAUTIFY THIS PART OF TOWN AND THAT'S, THAT'S MOVING FORWARD. SO, YEAH. YEAH, JUST MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW, I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT CONCRETE, BUT MAYBE YOU CAN PUT COLOR IN IT. I THINK MAYBE JUST MAKE THAT MORE PERMANENT. YEAH, THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT INSTALLATIONS AND SO, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING AT EVERYTHING FROM, YOU KNOW, FOR THE PRIDE CROSSWALK DOING, DOING, UM, THERMAL PLASTIC THAT'S ALREADY BEEN PRE-CUT OUT. UM, I'M, I'VE GOT BIDS ON THAT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD DO, WE COULD DO, YOU KNOW, COLORIZED CONCRETE, THERE'S THE COLOR PALETTE IS, THERE'S SOME SENSITIVITY TO THAT. AND IT MAY NOT, IT MAY NOT BE, UM, MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DO THAT, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS MOVE IT FORWARD. SO, YEAH. YEAH. REAL QUICK, I KNOW, I KNOW THE HOUR'S LATE, BUT SINCE IT'S AN AGENDA, IT'S AGENDA AS A PUBLIC HEARING AND WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE YOUR FEEDBACK ON, UM, ON TREE REPLACEMENT IT FOR, FOR PARTICULARLY FOR TREE COMMITTEE, BUT ALL ARE WELCOME TO, TO CHIME IN. IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL IF, IF, UH, IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL IF WE HAD A, YOU KNOW, CONSENSUS ON A RECOMMENDATION. IF WE COULD WALK AWAY WITH THAT, THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL. BUT BARRING THAT, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE FOREVER, UH, IT WOULD STILL BE GREAT TO GET INDIVIDUAL FEEDBACK FROM COMMITTEE MEMBERS SO THAT WE HAVE SOME DIRECTION MOVING FORWARD. SO I'M GONNA PUT THAT OUT THERE AND SEE IF THAT, IF YOU CAN HELP US WITH THAT AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK [03:55:01] . WELL, YOU KNOW, I HAVE AN OPINION ON, ON ON TREE SPECIES. UM, AND CERTAINLY, CERTAINLY, UM, SYCAMORE IS BEING AT THE TOP OF MY LIST, UM, FOR HABITAT REASONS AND, AND FOR SO MANY REASONS. BUT, UM, I HAVE TO SAY FOR AESTHETIC REASONS. I MEAN, THE FACT THAT THERE ARE SO MANY PIST ALREADY ON THE STREET, UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE MOST APPROPRIATE. WHAT WHAT, UM, CAUSES ME CONCERN ABOUT THE PACHI IS THAT, YOU KNOW, OWNING A BUSINESS ON PAMA BOULEVARD WITH A PISTACHIO TREE IN FRONT OF IT AND A, AND A SEWER DRAIN, UM, I'VE SEEN THE BERRIES ON THAT TREE DROP AND CLOG UP THE SEWER DRAIN AND HAVE WATER COME NEARLY INTO MY BUSINESS. UM, THE CITY DOESN'T TAKE CARE OF THAT. UM, I TAKE CARE OF THAT, BUT IF I WASN'T, IF I DIDN'T OWN THAT BUSINESS, NOBODY WOULD TAKE CARE OF THAT. AND SO, UM, WHEN YOU HAVE THAT, I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE ELEVATED SIDEWALK. I THINK IT'S BRILLIANT ACTUALLY, BUT, UM, AND I LOVE THE BULB BELT. I WISH IT COULD BE BIGGER, BUT I UNDERSTAND WHY IT, IT CAN'T OR, BUT, UM, BUT HAVING THAT DRAINAGE BASE AND BEING A MAINTENANCE ISSUE, THOSE BARRIERS ARE JUST GONNA CLOG IT UP. UNLESS, UNLESS THERE WAS A CONCERTED EFFORT ON THE MAINTENANCE ON THE, ON THE, ON THE CITY'S SIDE TO, TO TAKE CARE OF IT. UM, SO THAT WOULD BE MY THING. BUT THERE ARE ALSO FOR LEANING TOWARDS SYCAMORES IS THERE ARE, THERE ARE, THERE ARE MORE PEAR TREES ON THAT STREET THAT ARE PROBABLY IN DECLINE. THERE ARE OTHER, THERE ARE SOME EMPTY WELLS IN THAT STREET, ON THAT STREET AND, UM, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY COULD BE AN ARGUMENT TO SORT OF START ADDING SYCAMORES THERE AS WELL, BECAUSE SYCAMORES ACTUALLY WILL, WOULD BE A, A LARGER CANOPY SHADE TREE THAN THE PISTACHIO WILL EVER BE. SO THEY ARE, THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE JUST A SUPERIOR URBAN STREET TREE. SO, UM, AND THEN YOU HAVE THOSE TWO WELLS. THERE'S A COUPLE OF EMPTY WELLS IN THE ALLEY BEHIND THE, BETWEEN THE PARKING LOT AND KENTUCKY STREET, UM, THAT COULD GET TREES IN THEM. THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL ATTEMPTS TO PUT LITTLE, PROBABLY CREPE MYRTLES IN THERE, WHICH IS MAYBE IT'S A BLESSING. THEY JUST GET BROKEN. UM, BUT, UM, BUT THERE'S THOSE. AND THEN, UM, UH, CINDY HAS TOLD ME THAT YOU'RE WELCOME TO REACH OUT TO ME AS A, A PROFESSIONAL LANDSCAPE PROFESSIONAL ANYTIME YOU LIKE. SO OKAY. THANK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YEAH, I, AND I WILL BE DOING THAT. OKAY. , ANY OTHER COMMENT? YES, CHAIR. UH, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU KEN, SO MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. WE WERE REALLY CURIOUS ABOUT THIS AND YOU BROUGHT IT TO US WITH ALL THE INFORMATION THAT ANSWERED OUR QUESTIONS AND IT'S VERY CLEAR TO ME. AND NOW RESEARCHING THESE TREES THAT NOT ONLY ARE THERE, ARE THEY PROBLEMATIC FOR THE REASONS YOU CITED, BUT FOR ADDITIONAL REASONS AS WELL. VERY INTERESTING. THANK YOU. UM, A COUPLE OF COMMENTS HERE. UH, OKAY. SO I LIKE SYCAMORE TOO. I HAVE ONE IN MY FRONT YARD. UM, COUPLE QUESTIONS. I WOULD LOVE SYCAMORE BECAUSE NOT ONLY ARE THEY THE TALL CANOPY, BUT WHEN YOU'VE GOT TRUCKS GOING DOWN, UM, KENTUCKY STREET, THEY'RE TALL ENOUGH SO THAT THE, THEY CAN ACCOMMODATE AND GO OVER THE BIG TRUCKS AND STILL PROVIDE CANOPY. SO, UM, THEY'RE TO ME, REALLY WELL SUITED. AND AGAIN, GO TO DOWNTOWN UKIAH IS ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL AND THEY'VE GOT TRICKS GOING BY ALL THE TIME. OKAY. IS IT APPROPRIATE, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THIS, BUT HERE'S MY COMMENT. WHEN YOU PLANT THE TREES TO PUT KIND OF THE IRON, UM, CYLINDRICAL FENCE AROUND IT TO PROTECT IT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PARTIERS AT NIGHT, UM, PEOPLE GOING DOWN THAT STREET. I WOULDN'T WANT ANYONE TO FALL ON A NEWLY PLANTED TREE. UM, AND THEN IF IT IS SYCAMORE, I WOULD JUST RECOMMEND PLEASE, UM, TO CHECK ON THE STREET SWEEPING. UM, THERE ARE LEAVES THAT BLOCK THE STORM DRAINS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND GEL GELATI, NO, WHAT ARE THEY? RECOLOGY THEY DON'T STREET SWEEP LIKE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO. AND I'M CALLING UP THE CITY BECAUSE IT BLOCKS THE STORM DRAINS AND THEN YOU GUYS HAVE TO COME AND UNCLOG THE STORM DRAINS. AND SO IF THERE'S SOME WAY TO BUILD INTO THE CONTRACT WITH RECOLOGY TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE DOING KENTUCKY STREET, THEN MAYBE THAT WILL HELP WITH THE LEAVES THAT FALL FROM THE SYCAMORE TREE AND WHETHER THERE'S ANY STORM DRAINS THERE. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU AGAIN. YEAH, THANK YOU KEN. AND I UNDERSTAND YOU THE URGENCY OF THE QUESTION, BUT I FEEL, I FEEL A LITTLE UNDER THE GUN TO MAKE A DECISION THAT, THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN OUT THERE. LOOK AT THE CONDITION, [04:00:01] LOOKED AT THE STREET, EV EVALUATED FROM BLOCK TO BLOCK, WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN AND THAT, TRY TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT THAT WITH THIS INFORMATION ISN'T, ISN'T FAIR. UH, I THINK, I THINK WE NEED SOME TIME TO GO OUT AND LOOK AT IT AND AGREE ON A, SOME SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE TREE COMMITTEE, AGREE ON WHAT THE APPROACH WOULD BE AND THEN MAKE RECOMMENDED IT. BUT AT THIS MEETING, I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE. OKAY. YEAH, YOU'VE GOT PLENTY OF TIME. I MEAN, WE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GET, WE CAN GET TO JANUARY AND IF YOU, IF IT'S, YOU FEEL LIKE YOU NEED MORE TIME, WE CAN TAKE AS MUCH TIME AS YOU, YOU NEED. CAN YOU, CAN, CAN YOU PROVIDE US WITH PLANS THAT SHOW THE, THE, UH, PROPOSED SOLUTION? IT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A NUMBER, AND I WON'T, I WON'T GO INTO THE, YOU KNOW, THE DETAILS OF THE DESIGN, BUT BASICALLY THE TRUCK LOADING, UNLOADING AND HOW THE STREET IS USED. UM, THE TREE, WELL BASICALLY NEEDS TO STAY THE SAME. WE'VE GOT FIRE HYDRANT, WE'VE GOT ADA, YOU KNOW, ELEMENTS TO IT. I CAN OPEN IT UP A LITTLE BIT BIGGER THAN, THAN WHAT'S THERE. IT'S BASICALLY, IT'S A FOUR, FOUR BY FIVE. WE CAN MAYBE GET IT OPENED UP A LITTLE BIT MORE. THIS IS SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO TALK TO AN AD HOC COMMITTEE ON 'CAUSE, BUT IF WE COULD SEE THE RAMPS AND ALL THE OTHER STUFF YOU HAVE TO, YOU'RE PROPOSING AS, AS PART OF IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TOO. BUT YEAH, SO IT'S THE, THE LAST SLIDE IN IN, IN THE PRESENTATION THERE IS, THERE IS A DESIGN THERE AND I CAN, I CERTAINLY CAN WALK YOU THROUGH IT. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. I JUST, I JUST WOULD PREFER MORE. I, I MEAN, I DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE THIS WAS ON THE AGENDA. I GUESS I MISSED THAT ENTIRELY, BUT, UH, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ENOUGH INFORMATION OR TIME TO MAKE AN INTELLIGENT DECISION. YEAH. UM, YEAH, THANKS FOR BRINGING THIS TO US. UM, I DID CAREFULLY LOOK THROUGH THOSE AND I FELT LIKE DUE TO THE SIZE OF THE PLANNER STRIP OR THE, THE PLANNING WELLS AND THE FACT THAT, UM, THERE'S A UNIFORMITY IN ON THAT STREET WITH THE CHINESE PIST, THAT THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE MY CHOICE. I'M, I'M ALSO A HUGE FAN OF SYCAMORES, SO MAYBE THEY WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IF THE PLANNING WELL'S LARGE ENOUGH TO KIND OF, IT'S ALMOST LIKE THEY'RE, IT, IT WOULD BE OKAY TO HAVE THOSE, UH, THOSE THAT, THOSE SPECIES BECAUSE OF IT, IT'S SORT OF A, A, A VISUAL CORRIDOR, UM, FROM THROUGH THE CROSSWALK AND UP TO, ANYWAY, UH, AS FAR AS BEAUTY GOES, I THINK, UH, THE PISTACHIO IS, IS MY FIRST CHOICE. AND UH, IT COULD BE, YEAH, I'M A, I'M A BIG FAN OF UNIFORMITY WITHIN THE BLOCK. BLOCK TO BLOCK. YOU CAN HAVE SOME BIODIVERSITY. THANK YOU. JUST WANNA PUT IT OUT TO, TO THE TREE COMMITTEE BASED ON DISCUSSIONS TONIGHT. I WONDER IF WE DON'T UPGRADE OUR STREET TREE LIST AD HOC TO KIND OF A STREET TREE SUBCOMMITTEE THAT COULD BE ON CALL TO WORK CLOSELY WITH PUBLIC WORKS FOR SOME OF THESE DECISIONS. I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S ALREADY IN THE WORKS, BUT I THINK MAKING IT A FORMAL SUBCOMMITTEE WITHOUT AN END DATE, UH, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE A GREAT, WOULD BE A GREAT MOVE. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S JUST SOMETHING WE HAVE TO BRING UP IN DECEMBER AT THE, AT OUR COMMITTEE MEETING. SO ACTUALLY WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ONE IN DECEMBER, SO EMERGENCY. YEAH, AND WE'LL TALK, I'LL TALK THAT LATER. I'LL JUST ADD THAT IS A KEY KIND OF DISTINGUISHING FACTOR BETWEEN AD HOC VERSUS SUBCOMMITTEE AD HOCS DO NEED TO BE TIME LIMITED. THEY NEED TO, UH, HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC SCOPE AND DELIVERABLE AND YOU CAN'T ADD ON NEW, NEW SCOPE, A NEW SCOPE, NEW DELIVERABLES, UM, AFTER THE AD HOCS HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED. SO IT DOES SOUND MORE APPROPRIATE FOR A SUBCOMMITTEE. AND SO I WOULD, WOULD PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, WITH CONSULTATION WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AND WITH YOUR STAFF LIAISON, SUGGEST, UH, MAYBE IZING THAT, DO I NEED TO OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT? YEAH. OKAY. YOU CAN BE, WE, WE OBVIOUSLY DON'T HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS AND SO WE JUST CHECKED TO SEE IF THERE WERE ANY EMAILS AND . THAT'S IT. CLERK, HAVE YOU RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM? NO COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED. THANK YOU. SO THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM. PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON. IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE SO, FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD AND BRING IT TO THE CLERK AND THERE ARE NO COMMENTS. SO WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT OR DISCUSSION. NO, IT SOUNDS LIKE ONE OF THE MAIN OUTPUTS [04:05:01] IS HAVING A STREET TREE SUBCOMMITTEE THAT CAN WORK CLOSELY PUBLIC WORKS. AND THEN OSTENSIBLY, I'D ASSUME WE'D SEE THIS AGAIN AS A TREE COMMITTEE BEFORE IT'S FINALIZED. MAYBE, UM, OR THAT, OR THAT SUBCOMMITTEE COULD REPORT BACK TO US. BUT DID HOWARD TOO, WE'RE NOT HAVING A MEETING IN DECEMBER THAT SOUNDS LIKE UNTIL JANUARY. THAT'S OKAY. WE CAN DO IT IN JANUARY. YEAH, I, I WOULD CAN SUGGEST CONTINUING, CONTINUING THE ITEM TO EITHER A DATE CERTAIN OR A DATE UNCERTAIN AND THEN PICK IT UP. YEAH. PICK THIS BACK UP AT, AT THAT MEETING AND WITH A RECOMMENDATION. NO, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA BE DOING THAT IN A JOINT MEETING. SO IF IT'S CONTI, RIGHT GINA, IF WE'RE CONTINUING THIS, IT'LL BE A TREAT COMMITTEE ITEM. I, I BELIEVE THAT, UM, ASSUMING THAT BOTH COMMITTEES ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, THAT SEEMS TO MAKE SENSE TO ME. I BELIEVE THAT'S APPROPRIATE. AND I'LL EMAIL CINDY, I'LL OUR STAFF LIAISON TOMORROW AND JUST GET CLARIFICATION AND THEN I'LL WE'LL, WE'LL SHE'LL LET US ALL KNOW. AND IN THE MEANTIME, IS THERE ANY FEEDBACK FROM THE, THE, FROM PBA MEMBERS REGARDING THE PEDESTRIAN AND TRAFFIC CALMING ELEMENTS AS PART OF THE PROJECT? I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE, THE, THE RAISE, THE IDEA OF IT RAISED. OKAY. AND I'M OPEN TO YOU ON WHATEVER THE BEST TREATMENTS ARE. UM, YOU KNOW, YOU BROUGHT UP A FEW THINGS I THINK, BUT I REALLY, UM, I DEFINITELY LIKE THE RAISE CROSSWALK IDEA. YEAH. I, I THINK YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I THINK, I THINK MOST OF US REALIZE THAT THIS IS A REAL ADDITION TO, UM, THAT STREET KENTUCKY. IT'S IN DESPERATE NEED OF, OF FIXING AND, UH, I THINK THE CURB RAMPS AND, AND THE CUT AND, UM, THE RAISED, PERHAPS THE RAISED CROSSWALK ALONG WITH BRINGING BACK THE PRIDE CROSSWALK YEAH. ARE ALL TERRIFIC WITH ME. I'M GLAD TO SEE IT. GOOD. UM, ONE QUICK QUESTION. WAS THERE ANYTHING ABOUT FLASHING KIND OF BEACONS IN THE, IN THE STREET ALONG THE CROSSING? WE DON'T DO, WE DON'T DO IN-GROUND LIGHTING ANYMORE. OKAY. AND, YOU KNOW, I DID THINK ABOUT PUTTING IN AN RRFB, BUT I DON'T THINK IT WOULD REALLY SERVE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S ENOUGH CLEAR SPACE AND, UM, PEOPLE ARE GOING SLOW ENOUGH THAT I DON'T THINK THE, THE, YOU KNOW, RRFB, UM, RAPID . YEAH, NO, I'D, I'D AGREE. JUST CURIOUS. THAT SOUNDS RIGHT. YEAH. I HADN'T, I HADN'T, I HADN'T REALLY LOOKED AT PUTTING THAT IN AND I DON'T, I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT REALLY WARRANTS IT THERE. SO I MEAN, IT, IT COULD, YOU KNOW, IT'S A SOLAR, IT'S A SOLAR ITEM, BUT I, I FEEL, AND FRANKLY FEEL LIKE RAISING, RAISING THE CROSSWALK THAT HELPS WITH THAT, THAT WHOLE CONDITION. SO, BUT, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, WE COULD, WE COULD CONSIDER IT. I'M NOT, I'M NOT GONNA TOTALLY DISMISS IT. SO. YEAH. I THINK FOR THE REASONS YOU STATED, THERE'S A PEDESTRIANS THAT CAN GET FURTHER OUT INTO THE STREET ON THE BALLOUT. IT'S RAISED, EVERYBODY'S LOOKING FOR PARKING, SO THEY'RE JUST HEADS AREN'T SWIVEL. YEAH. SO YEAH, IT'S, IT SEEMS, UH, I WOULDN'T YEAH. NECESSARILY NEED ANY ADDITIONAL. YEAH. AND, AND I, I WILL COME BACK TO PBA WHEN, WHEN WE HAVE THAT DESIGNED AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, THINGS ARE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER ALONG WITH THE PRIDE CROSSWALK. I WANT TO, I WANT TO GO BACK AND JUST SHOW YOU ALL THAT. SO, YOU KNOW, I'M HOPING YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVE A MEETING IN JANUARY, SO YEAH. BUT, UH, DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS? THANK YOU. WE HAVE FOUR, RIGHT? YEAH, WE GOT FIVE. WE GOT, OH YEAH. DON'T FORGET , BUT WE DO, WE SHOULD DO THAT. MAYBE IT MAKES SENSE JUST TO BE SAFE. BOTH COMMITTEES SEPARATELY MAKE A, MAKE A MOTION PERHAPS TO CONTINUE THE ITEM. UM, OR WE COULD, I MEAN, SINCE THIS WAS JUST A FEEDBACK ITEM, THERE WAS NO VOTE REALLY RE YEAH. THAT WE CALLED FOR. WE COULDN'T WE JUST CONTINUE IT WITHOUT A MOTION? YEAH. YEAH. IS THAT, PUT IT BACK ON THE AGENDA AS A FOLLOW UP. IS THAT, IS THAT FAIR? SURE. I THINK I PROCEDURALLY, YEAH, JUST AS A CLARIFICATION, IT'S COMING BACK TO JUST THE TREE COMMITTEE OR BOTH. SOUNDS LIKE IT'LL COME BACK TO BOTH, BUT AT SEPARATE, AT THEIR OWN, UH, REGULAR MEETINGS. OKAY. WHAT WE DO NEED IS A MOTION, I BELIEVE, TO ADJOURN WITHOUT GETTING THROUGH OUR ENTIRE AGENDA. , WOULD SOMEBODY MAKE A MOTION TO, TO ADJOURN THE MEETING? I'LL MAKE THAT WE ADJOURN THE MEETING. I'LL SECOND THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND WITH THAT, THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED. HAVE A GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU. 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