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[CALL TO ORDER]
RIGHT.UH, WE'RE HERE FOR THE, UH, THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 2ND, 2023 AIRPORT COMMISSION.
SO I'LL START WITH THE, UH, FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE ROLL CALL.
[GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT]
THE AGENDA IS THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, AND IT LOOKS LIKE I HAVE ONE SPEAKER CARD FROM MR. MILL.UM, DO WE HAVE, DO YOU HAVE A TIMER? ARE WE, UM, I DON'T HAVE THE TIMER.
AND DO YOU HAVE THE, THE, THE COMMENT AS WELL? I CAN READ THAT.
UM, WE DO HAVE, UH, ACCESS ON THE AGENDA.
COULD YOU WAIT TO THAT ITEM? UH, WELL, THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY QUESTION IS IF THERE'S GONNA BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXCHANGE, UH, INFORMATION WITH THE COMMISSION, UH, THROUGH THAT PORTION OF THE MEETING, THEN THAT WOULD BE FINE.
OTHERWISE, UM, I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO READ OUT A STATEMENT AND BE PROVIDED SUFFICIENT TIME.
BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT IT AT THAT POINT.
I, YOU, ARE YOU REFERRING TO ITEM TWO UNDER PUBLIC HEARINGS? UH, YES.
CONSIDERATION? YEP, THAT'S FINE.
WELL THEN I CAN HOLD MY COMMENT TO, WE'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO COMMENT THEN.
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM THE OCTOBER 5TH, 2023 MEETING.HAS EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW? DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY CHANGES THEY'D LIKE TO, UH, MAKE OR PUT INTO THE, UH, MINUTES? CAN I ASK TRESTLE? WHERE DOES THIS TRESTLE? WHEN YOU SAY TRESTLE, WHEN YOU SAY TRESTLE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A TRAIN AND I'M JUST WONDERING WHERE THAT MIGHT BE.
OH, IT, IT'S A TRAIN TRESTLE THAT'S DOWNTOWN YOU.
YOU DIDN'T KNOW WE HAD A TRAIN TRESTLE.
YOU'RE GONNA REHABILITATE THAT.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIND THE FUNDS AND, OKAY.
ALL THE, THE, UM, THERE'S LOTS OF JURISDICTIONS INVOLVED.
IT'S NOT OWNED BY THE CITY, SO IT TAKES UP A LOT OF OUR TIME, BUT IT'S IN OUR TOP 10 PRIORITY LIST OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
THAT WAS MY REPORT LAST MONTH.
WE HAVEN'T FOUND THAT MONEY YET.
DOES, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY, UH, CHANGES THEY'D LIKE TO ADD? ALL RIGHT, WITH THAT THEN I WILL, UH, DEEM THE MINUTES APPROVED FROM THE OCTOBER 5TH, 2023 MEETING.
[PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION]
THE AGENDA IS PUBLIC HEARING AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION, AND THE ITEM TWO IS REVIEW AND DISCUSSION ON THE TEMPORARY AIRPORT ACCESS POLICY, POLICY AND LIMITATIONS.UM, AND THIS WAS AN ITEM THAT, THAT I'D REQUESTED TO GET, UH, ADDED TO IT.
AND I'LL MAYBE SPEAK FOR JEFF OR JEFF, YOU WANNA JUMP IN THAT JEFF AND I HAD, UH, WELL, WE'RE VERY, WE'RE GRATEFUL THAT WHAT, UH, DAN HAS PUT TOGETHER.
UH, WE NOW HAVE AN ALONG THE LINE ACCESS FOR TEMPORARY ACCESS, WHICH I THINK IS, UH, IS, IS A TREMENDOUS STEP.
UM, BUT THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS IN THAT, THAT THERE WERE SOME LIMITATIONS ON IF THERE WERE, UH, TWO RE MORE THAN TWO REQUESTS IN A WEEK, THAT THAT BECOMES, UM, MORE OF A, UH, UH, REQUEST FOR PERMANENT TYPE, UH, ACCESS WHERE IT CHANGES.
AND SO, WHEN JEFF AND I HAD BEEN DISCUSSING THAT, THE, THE QUESTION WAS, YOU KNOW, TWO, TWO DAYS IN A WEEK SEEMS JUST FOR A SHORT PERIOD, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO THREE DAYS IN A WEEK, THEN YOU'RE SUDDENLY THEN WE'RE GOING INTO NEEDING TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF A, UH, PERMANENT ACCESS, IF YOU WILL.
I GUESS, I'M NOT SURE IF I'M USING THE RIGHT TERM, SO, EXCUSE ME.
WHAT JEFF AND I TALKED ABOUT WAS THE POSSIBILITY AND WE WANTED TO BRING BEFORE THE, THE, THE, THE COMMISSION WAS, UH, LOOKING AT IT IN A BROADER TERM AS OPPOSED TO JUST AN INDIVIDUAL WEEK TO, UH, UNDERSTAND.
AND I UNDERSTAND WHERE, WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH IT, DAN, AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH IT, BUT I THINK THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT IN A BROADER TERM.
UM, PERHAPS, UM, MY THOUGHT WAS EVEN BEYOND A MONTH BECAUSE IF WE
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GO TO A MONTH WHEN IT'S, UM, SAY LIKE OC SEPTEMBER WHERE IT'S EXCEPTIONAL WEATHER, WHERE THE, UM, PARAGLIDERS, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY THEY, THEY MAY BE THERE SIGNIFICANTLY, POTENTIALLY, UM, THAT WE LOOK AT IT ON A QUARTERLY BASIS PERHAPS.AND IF THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DAYS, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS IF IT'S A THIRD 30 DAYS IN A QUARTER, WHICH WOULD BE WHAT, 120 DAYS A YEAR, IF WE COULD LOOK AT IT, SOMETHING IN TERMS LIKE THAT AS OPPOSED TO AN INDIVIDUAL WEEK.
AND THEN I, I THINK IT GIVES PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY THAT THEY'RE NOT, IF THEY'RE GIVEN A DUE A WEEK AND THEY NEED MORE THAN TWO DAYS, THAT THEY'RE NOT AUTOMATICALLY SHUTTLED INTO IT.
SO IF THERE IS AN EXCEPTIONAL MONTH WHERE SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS THAT THEY DO NEED ACCESS FOR MULTIPLE WEEKS OR WOULD LIKE ACCESS THAT, THEY'RE ALSO NOT MOVED INTO THAT.
SO THAT WAS, WAS WHAT I WAS HOPING TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION IN REGARDS TO THAT.
UM, AND ACTUALLY THE, THE THANKS FOR ATTACHING THE USAGE REPORT.
'CAUSE THIS KIND OF, UM, HELPS HIGHLIGHT ONE OF THE ISSUES, AND THAT'S WHEN REQUESTING ACCESS.
THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THE ACCESS IS GONNA BE USED EITHER.
SO, YOU KNOW, IN THE SUMMERTIME WE GET, YOU KNOW, UNPREDICTABLE MARINE LAYER CONDITIONS.
SO IT'S POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE MAY REQUEST THEIR TWO DAYS, NOT ACTUALLY EVER USE IT, WHICH LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS THE CASE.
SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE ALSO WANNA BE FLEXIBLE THERE TOO, THAT IF SOMEONE DOES REQUEST IT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT BURNING UP THEIR, UH, REQUESTS, THEY MAY NOT EVEN GET A CHANCE TO USE THE AIRPORT AT ALL.
UM, JUST BECAUSE ULTRALIGHT AVIATION IN GENERAL IS PRETTY WEATHER DEPENDENT, A LOT MORE SO THAN, THAN OTHER TYPES.
SO, UM, JUST HAVING A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY, UM, TO MARCUS'S POINT.
SO I GUESS AT THIS POINT WE'D GIVE, UH, MR. MILL AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS, UM, THE AGENDA ITEM.
AND THEN, UH, WE'LL BE OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.
WELL, THANK YOU, UH, FOR ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.
UM, I'LL JUST BRIEFLY ADD TO THE SPECIFIC DISCUSSION AROUND THE, UH, TEMPORARY ACCESS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE FA IS VERY CLEAR IN TERMS OF, UH, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING THE SAME PROVISIONS AROUND THAT FLIGHT.
SO ANY KIND OF LIMITATION TO THE NUMBER OF DAYS, UH, THAT AN INDIVIDUAL CAN HAVE ACCESS TO THE AIRFIELD, I THINK MIGHT BE CONSIDERED A VIOLATION.
I KNOW THAT THE FA IS CURRENTLY LOOKING AT THAT AS A CONTINUED, UH, ISSUE THAT WAS RAISED WITH THEM.
UM, I BELIEVE, UH, THAT HAS BEEN ESCALATED.
SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHETHER THAT WILL ANSWER.
I THINK THAT'S A, ANOTHER SERIOUS CONSIDERATION IS THAT, UM, THE, THERE AREN'T CURRENTLY LIMITATIONS FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE FLYING INTO THE AIRFIELD WITH ULTRA LIGHTS.
UM, IT SHOULDN'T BE ANY LIMITATION FOR THEM TO FLY OUT.
UM, SO, UM, TO BRING THAT TO A CLOSE, UM, I WANTED TO ALSO BRING UP THAT THERE'S BEEN SORT OF A, A, A NEW ISSUE THAT IS RELATED, UM, RELATED, UH, MORE SPECIFICALLY TO OBTAINING LONG-TERM ACCESS, WHICH, UM, GIVEN WHAT I'M GONNA SHARE TONIGHT, UM, IF THERE IS THIS LIMITATION, UM, THEN I THINK THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME FURTHER ISSUES WITH, UH, THE TEMPORARY ACCESS.
BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GOING TO FORCE SOMEONE, UM, TO REQUIRE MORE PERMANENT ACCESS, SUCH AS AN ACCESS CARD BECAUSE OF THEIR AMOUNT OF USAGE, UM, THE REQUIREMENTS THAT, UH, MR. COHEN IS TRYING TO PLACE ON THAT NOW, UM, COULD BE A PROBLEM.
SO IF I MAY, I'LL TRY AND READ THROUGH THIS RELATIVELY QUICKLY.
HOPEFULLY IT WON'T TAKE ME ANY MORE THAN ABOUT FIVE MINUTES.
BUT, UM, I DID ACTUALLY SHARE, UH, IN AN EMAIL, MR. COHAN IS AWARE OF THIS INFORMATION, AS ARE THE, UM, COMMISSIONERS WHO WERE INVOLVED, UH, SPECIFICALLY IN, IN ADDRESSING, UM, THE OCO.
BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT, IT GETS ON THE PUBLIC RECORD BECAUSE I, I DO THINK THE ISSUES ARE PRETTY SERIOUS HERE.
SO I AM A FREQUENT USER OF THE AIRPORT, UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M APPRECIATIVE OF THE NEW REVISED ACCESS.
UM, BUT IT IS VERY TIME CONSUMING AND RESOURCE HEAVY, NOT ONLY FOR MYSELF, UM, OR FOR OTHER PILOTS THAT MIGHT BE UTILIZING, BUT ALSO FOR THE CITY.
UM, MR. COHAN ORIGINALLY REPRESENTED, UH, AND HE DID SO IN HIS LAST MEETING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR MORE FREQUENT ACCESS, UM, THERE WAS A PROCESS, UH, FOR APPLICATION.
AND SO, UH, BACK IN MAY, AND AGAIN IN JULY, MR. COHEN PROVIDED AND PRESCRIBED OPTIONS TO THE FAA, UM, UH, IN SPECIFIC RESPONSE TO THE GRANT VIOLATIONS THAT WERE REPORTED.
AND IN THAT HE PROVIDED A TOTAL OF FOUR OPTIONS THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR US TO CONSIDER, UM, AS NON TENANTS OF THE AIRFIELD.
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TEMPORARY GA ACCESS, WHICH WE'VE MORE THAN COVERED.THE SECOND WAS THAT, UM, ONE COULD BECOME A MEMBER OF THE PETALUMA PALACE ASSOCIATION OR PAPA, AND, AND AS AN AUTHORIZED ORGANIZ AND REQUEST GATE CARD ACCESS IN IT, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO SIMPLY SUBMIT THE FORM, UM, WHICH HE DID PROVIDE.
AND, UM, THAT WOULD BE THE END OF IT.
THE OTHER TWO, TWO OPTIONS INCLUDED, UH, TO BECOME A TENANT, UH, SORRY, TO FIND A CURRENT TENANT WHO WOULD SPONSOR, UM, YOU TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT ACCESS.
AND THEN THE LAST OPTION WAS TO BECOME A TENANT SPECIFICALLY.
SO THOSE WERE THE FOUR OPTIONS, UM, THAT WERE SPECIFICALLY, UM, COVERED.
I MIGHT POINT OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, CURRENT TENANTS, NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND IS GOING TO SPONSOR SOMEONE THAT THEY DON'T PARTICULARLY KNOW AND TAKE ON LIABILITY FOR THEM.
UM, AND THE INSURANCE COMPANY'S NOT GOING TO DO THAT EITHER.
UM, IF THERE'S A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS, MAYBE AS PART OF THEIR OPERATIONS, THEY HAVE SOME KIND OF FACILITY, UM, SUCH AS, UH, A TRAINING SCHOOL, UH, WHICH THERE HAPPENS TO BE.
SO HAVING MADE, UH, PROGRESS TO CREATE ACCOUNTABILITY FOR MR. COHEN AROUND THE TEMPORARY ACCESS I SET OUT OVER THE LAST TWO WEEKS, UH, TO REQUEST A GATE CARD, UH, THAT WAS COVERED IN OPTION TWO, NOT THAT THERE WAS NO SPECIFICATION TO REQUIRE INSURANCE OR AN AGREEMENT, UH, OR A SPONSOR ONLY TO HAVE PAPA MEMBERSHIP.
THAT WAS WHAT WAS SENT TO THE FAA.
UPON MAKING THIS AND PROVIDING EVIDENCE OF MEMBERSHIP TO PAPA, I WAS INFORMED THAT PAPA WOULD ONLY SPONSOR AN ACCESS CARD FOR PAPA MEETINGS, AND AS SUCH, DETERMINED THAT MY ACCESS WAS SPECIFICALLY REGULATED, UM, WHICH NO OTHER NON TENANT PROPER MEMBER HAS EVER HAD PLACED ON THEIR CARDS.
SO THAT SEEMS EXCEPTIONALLY ODD TO ME THAT SUDDENLY HAVING BEEN PROVIDED WHAT I WAS TOLD WAS GOING TO BE MAXIMUM, MR. COHEN NOW MOVED THE GOALPOST AND SAID, OH, WELL, NO, NO, NO, YOU HAVE TO NOW BE SPONSORED.
WELL, I DON'T SEE HOW THAT'S POSSIBLE WITHOUT SOME FORM OF DISCRIMINATION.
ALL RIGHT, OPTION THREE IS SIMPLY A JOKE, AS I JUST MENTIONED.
UH, NO ONE IS GOING TO COVER THAT.
NO ONE, UM, EVEN I WOULDN'T DO IT FOR SOMEONE THAT I KNOW A RIGHT.
MY INSURANCE COMPANY'S NOT GOING TO LET ME DO THAT.
SO MR. KAHO NOW INSISTS THAT THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE IS, IS IN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY AND INSURANCE, UM, TO SECURE AN ACCESS CARD INSTEAD OF THE TEMPORARY PIN PIN CARD ACCESS.
I MIGHT MIGHT ADD THAT AT THIS TIME, THE CITY HAS NO SUCH AGREEMENT TO EVEN BE ABLE TO ENFORCE OR EVEN PROVIDE THAT ABILITY.
THEY NOW HAVE TO GO FIGURE IT OUT.
SO I THINK THIS IS KIND OF POINTING THAT ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS A MOVING TARGET AND IT CONTINUES TO BE SO.
UM, AND THERE SEEMS TO BE NO FORETHOUGHT INTO THE FACT THAT TO BEGIN WITH, WHEN YOU SIMPLY CHANGE THE METHOD OF ACCESS FROM PIN CARD TO CARD ACCESS, THAT NOW SUDDENLY THERE'S A BIGGER PROBLEM, THE ACTIVITY REMAINS THE SAME, AND THE LIABILITY OR RISK IS NO MORE INCREASED BY SWIPING A CARD THAN PUNCHING IN A CODE AS DEMONSTRATED BY DECADES OF PILOTS ACROSS THOUSANDS OF AIRPORTS IN OUR COUNTRY.
AND AS SUCH, ANY SUGGESTION THAT AN AGREEMENT OR INSURANCE IS NOW NECESSARY AS A REQUIREMENT FOR A FORM OF GATE ACCESS IS SIMPLY LUDICROUS.
AND I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THIS BOILS DOWN TO, IS LIKE IT'S A SIMPLE PROBLEM TO FIX WITH A VERY SIMPLE PROBLEM.
AND YET MR. CONAN CONTINUES TO SHIFT THE, THE PLAYING FIELD GIVEN ACCESS IS PROVIDED VIA KEYPAD ACCESS AND MAKE USE OF THE AIRFIELD, IT SEEMS REM UH, OR UNREASONABLE.
AND NOW DISCRIMINATORY REQUIRE A SPONSOR FOR INSURANCE OR AN AGREEMENT THAT DIMINISHES FREE ACCESS TO THE AIRFIELD SIMPLY TO SECURE CARD ACCESS AS A FREQUENT USER.
IT'S CLEAR THE AIRPORT IS DRIVING HARD TO FORCE ANYONE WHO COMES ONTO THE AIRFIELD TO HAVE AN AGREEMENT AND INSURANCE.
WHILE I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR THE CITY TO PROTECT ITSELF, THE REALITY IS USING ECONOMIC REQUIREMENT SUCH AS INSURANCE OR, UH, SOME FORM OF AGREEMENT IS, IS DISCRIMINATORY BY ITS VERY NATURE.
IT IS NOT A REQUIREMENT FOR ANY OTHER PILOT WHO FLIES INTO THE AIRFIELD TO HAVE SUCH AN AGREEMENT.
IT COULD EVEN BE CONSIDERED DISCRIMINATION AT A STATE LEVEL.
I WANNA POINT OUT THAT VEHICLE INSURANCE COVERS THROUGH, THROUGH THE GATE OF THE VEHICLE ACTIVITY, REACHING A POINT WHERE IT CAN PARK SAFELY, AND THAT SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT AND HAS BEEN DEMONSTRATED TO BE SUFFICIENT FOR, I DUNNO, A VERY, VERY LONG TIME AND CONTINUES TO BE ACCEPTABLE FOR THE TEMPORARY GATE ACCESS.
FURTHER, I MIGHT POINT OUT THAT THERE IS
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ACTUALLY THE CALIFORNIA RECREATIONAL USER STATUTE IMMUNITY INSURANCE.SO IF YOU REALLY WANT TO PLAY THE INSURANCE GAME WILL, BY THE WAY, YOU'RE ACTUALLY ALREADY COVERED BY THE RECREATIONAL STATE IMMUNE INSURANCE, AND I BELIEVE IN CALIFORNIA, IT'S IN THE REGION OF $250,000.
ALL RIGHT, LAST TWO PARAGRAPHS.
SO GIVEN THE CITY AND THE PETALUMA IS NOW, AND, AND THIS IS PUBLIC PROPERTY FOR THE INTENTION OF AVIATION COVERED BY SUCH, UH, IMMUNITY INSURANCE, I SEE NO REASON THAT ANY FURTHER AGREEMENT IS NECESSARY.
UH, AND IT ISN'T, THAT ISN'T ALREADY COVERED BY THE MINIMUM STANDARDS DOCUMENT, WHICH THE FA REQUIRES.
I WANNA REMIND YOU THAT THE FAA HAS ALSO ALREADY RULED ON A SIMILAR SITUATION THAT I TRULY BELIEVE THAT THE CITY OF PETALUMA IS UNLIKELY TO BE ABLE TO SUSTAIN THEIR POSITION.
SO, YOU KNOW, MY REQUEST HERE IS REALLY THAT, YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN, AS WE'VE DEMONSTRATED MR. COHEN AS A PROPENSITY FOR TRYING TO SHIFT THE REQUIREMENTS ON AN ONGOING BASIS, THE MOMENT HE'S QUARTERED INTO A POSITION WHERE WE CAN ARTICULATE THAT NOTHING REALLY CHANGED PRIOR TO HIM CHANGING THE FORM OF GATE ACCESS, AND HE CONTINUES TO MOVE THE POSITION.
NOW, I'M SUPPORTED HERE BY SOME OTHER PILOTS THAT I, THAT ARE IN A VERY SIMILAR TO POSITION TO ME THAT ARE, AND HAVE ALWAYS INTENDED TO BE FREQUENT USERS OF THIS AIRPORT.
THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'VE FACED OVER THE YEARS HAVE, HAS OFTEN MEANT THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO COME HERE, OR IT'S JUST NOT PRUDENT, UH, GIVEN THE WEATHER AND ALL THAT KIND OF THING TO BE ABLE TO COME TO THIS LOCATION.
SO THE REALITY IS THE CONTINUOUS SHIFTING OF THESE REQUIREMENTS IS AN ONGOING PROBLEM.
AND MY REQUEST TO THE COMMISSION IS WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO REALLY CLEARLY DEFINE THESE AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT INFRINGING ON PILOT'S RIGHTS.
THAT'S WHAT THE CITY IS HERE TO HELP PILOTS USE THIS AIRPORT.
AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, THERE IS THIS OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD THE AVIATION COMMUNITY HERE.
SO MY REQUEST IS THAT THIS NEW PARTICULAR ITEM IS A CONTINUED ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT UP IN THE ADDITION TO ADDRESSING, UH, THE LIMITATION ON ULTRALIGHT PILOTS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE TWOS.
SO WITH THAT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UM, I'VE GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
ONE OF THEM, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT POP.
I DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA GO DOWN THAT ROAD, THAT, THAT ROAD.
UM, I ALSO KNOW THAT, UM, YOU, YOU'VE A COUPLE OF THINGS WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT INSURANCE LIABILITY INSURANCE, YOU MENTIONED IT A COUPLE OF TIMES ABOUT TENANTS, THE TENANT'S NOT GONNA SPONSOR ME FOR A LIABILITY.
SO, SO YOU UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND YOU'VE GOT INSURANCE FOR YOUR CAR.
IF YOUR CAR PLOWS INTO THE BACK OF ONE OF THE PLANES, IT'S COVERED.
WHAT HAPPENS IF THERE'S A ROGUE WIND THAT BLOWS YOU OR YOU DOES DAMAGE TO A PLANE? HOW IS THAT GONNA, HOW IS THAT AIRCRAFT? SO MY PLANE IS ON, ON, ON THE, THE RAMP.
YOU BLOW INTO MY PLANE AND YOU RUIN MY TAIL.
HOW AM I GONNA BE COVERED? YEAH, SO IT'S THE SAME LIABILITY YOU WOULD HAVE IF, IF YOU'RE A, HOW ARE YOU GONNA MAKE ME WHOLE? ARE YOU GONNA, IT'S MY LIABILITY'S GONNA HAVE TO COVER YOUR MISTAKE.
UM, NO, I IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? I MEAN, FIR FIRST OF ALL, THE FA DOESN'T REQUIRE ANY PILOT TO CARRY SUCH INSURANCE, RIGHT? THE REQUIREMENT FOR INSURANCE IS TYPICALLY, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU, YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT, BUT, BUT AGAIN, WE, WE GOT INTO THE DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.
YOU OR ANY PERSON WHO, WHO FINDS SOMEBODY ELSE LIABLE FOR, UM, SOME FORM OF DAMAGE, YOU GO AFTER THEM SPECIFICALLY, RIGHT? THE WHOLE REASON FOR CARRYING INSURANCE IS SO THAT YOU'RE TRANSFERRING THAT LIABILITY TO THE INSURANCE COMPANY, RIGHT? I'M NOT REQUIRED BY LAW.
AND YOU CANNOT REQUIRE, AT LEAST IN TERMS OF THE FA, A RULINGS ON THIS, UH, FOR SOMEONE TO SECURE INSURANCE THAT THEY CAN'T EVEN REASONABLY OBTAIN.
WHAT DO YOU CONSIDER REASONABLE TO OBTAIN? I, WELL, WHAT DO YOU CONSIDER REASONABLE TO OBTAIN? I, THE BOTTOM LINE IS TRY FIND ULTRALIGHT INSURANCE.
I THINK WE LOOKED AND DID WE NOT FIND IT? UH, I BELIEVE I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AGAIN TO SEE SPECIFICALLY, BUT I, UNDER A CURSORY SEARCH, THERE DID SEEM TO BE, UH, LIABILITY POLICIES FOR PARA MOTOR PILOTS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY WOULD MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF, UH, THE CITY THAT THEY IMPOSE ON OTHER AIRCRAFT.
UM, BUT I DID SEE THAT THERE ARE, THERE ARE POLICIES AVAILABLE, BUT LIKE I SAID, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN REVIEWED BY THE RISK MANAGERS.
YOU CAN'T REASONABLY GET THEM.
AND I THINK THE, THE FA DOCKET, UH, FOR THELMA IS VERY, VERY CLEAR.
YOU CAN'T REASONABLY ASK SOMEONE TO SECURE AN INSURANCE THAT THEY CAN'T GET.
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YEAH, GO AHEAD, PLEASE.UM, DAN, WHAT DOES THE CITY, WHAT, WHAT DO THEY WANT FOR LIABILITY INSURANCE? SO I KNOW THEY HAVE EVEN HIGHER STANDARDS.
WE, WE HAVE NOT DETERMINED A LEVEL FOR ULTRALIGHT AIRCRAFT.
THERE'S A WHOLE HOST OF OTHER, UM, ACTIVITIES THAT, THAT WE DO HAVE A MATRIX FOR.
AND THAT, UM, THE RISK, UH, MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT HAS SET, UH, WE PUT IN A REQUEST FOR THEM TO LOOK INTO THAT WITH CONSULTANTS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A LEVEL RIGHT NOW.
AND YOU'VE NEVER HAD ONE BECAUSE THERE'S NEVER BEEN A REQUIREMENT, BECAUSE THERE'S NEVER BEEN AN ISSUE.
THE REALITY IS THE CITY IS TRYING TO USE THIS AS A METHOD TO CONTROL THE ACCESS, WHICH IT CANNOT EVEN DO FOR INBOUND AIRCRAFT OF ANY KIND.
SO, TO COME UP WITH THAT ESSENTIALLY IS CREATING A FORM OF DISCRIMINATION.
WELL, THE CITY HAS TO PROTECT ITSELF, AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A RISK MANAGER AND YOU HAVE INSURANCE, AND WE ASK THAT OUR TENANTS OR ANY OF OUR USERS TO ALSO CARRY INSURANCE.
UH, BUT ONCE AGAIN, I THINK THE REGULATION IS QUITE CLEAR.
YOU CANNOT REQUIRE INSURANCE FOR A USER OF THE AIRFIELD, WHICH YOU'RE GETTING FAA FUNDING FOR, RIGHT? YOU CAN'T REQUIRE INSURANCE OF AN INBOUND AIRCRAFT.
YOU CAN'T REQUIRE AN INSURANCE ON AN OUTBOUND AIRCRAFT.
BUT YOU'RE ALSO DRIVING, AND YOU'RE ALSO, I WANNA POINT OUT PROPERTY, THE TEMPORARY ACCESS HERE, OKAY, YOU'RE NOT REQUIRING INSURANCE, BUT YOU'RE SAYING TO ISSUE A CART, ALL THAT IS DIFFERENT.
HERE IS THE FORM TO GET THROUGH THE GATE.
AND THAT'S ALL THAT YOU GUYS CHANGED, WHICH DOESN'T EVEN HAVE INSURANCE ON THE FORM.
THERE'S NO PLACE FOR INSURANCE.
RIGHT? BUT THAT'S FOR THE TEMPORARY ACCESS.
UH, BUT THE, FOR THE, THE, THE, RIGHT NOW, THE REGULATIONS.
SO RIGHT NOW, HOW IS IT ANY DIFFERENT RIGHT NOW, THE REGULATIONS OR THE, THE WAY THAT IT IS WRITTEN, THERE IS A REQUIREMENT OF INSURANCE.
NOW, I'LL ALSO NOTE THAT, THAT MR. COHEN, UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS EARLIER, IT WAS IT THIS WEEK OR LAST WEEK IN A RESPONSE, SAID THAT HE WAS WORKING INTERNALLY, SENT A VERY NICE EMAIL THAT HE WAS WORKING TO SEE IF THERE WEREN'T WAYS THAT HE COULD, UH, ADAPT THIS OR TO, TO HELP MEET YOUR NEEDS.
WELL, I MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN PRIVY TO THAT PARTICULAR EMAIL.
I MEAN, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT HE WAS NOW WORKING WITH THE RISK ASSESSMENT.
IT WAS, UH, I DON'T HAVE THE DATE HERE.
I I'M NOT AWARE OF HIM ATTEMPTING TO ESSENTIALLY FIND A WAY TO, TO, UH, PROVIDE ACCESS WITHOUT REQUIRING AN AGREEMENT, WHICH BY ITS VERY NATURE, REQUIRES AN INSURANCE REQUIREMENT.
AND, YOU KNOW, I'M SORRY, YOU KNOW, UM, THAT IS DISCRIMINATION PERIOD.
HOW MANY DAYS? A HOW MANY DAYS A MONTH, A YEAR DO YOU THINK YOU'D USE THE AIRPORT? WELL, I THINK IT VARIES QUITE SUBSTANTIALLY.
I MEAN, WHEN, WHEN THIS ISSUE SORT OF ESCALATED, UH, THIS YEAR, I, I WOULD SAY THAT THE VAST MAJORITY PROBABLY WANT TO USE IT A COUPLE TIMES, MAYBE THREE, UH, OR FOUR DAYS IN A GIVEN MONTH ON MAYBE ONE OR TWO WEEKENDS A MONTH.
UM, I HAPPEN TO BE IN A POSITION THIS YEAR WHERE I OBTAINED A NEW ULTRALIGHT THAT I NEEDED SUBSTANTIAL ADDITIONAL TIME ON AIR FLIGHT TIME.
UM, AND I BASICALLY DID NOT HAVE ACCESS FOR OVER FOUR MONTHS.
UM, SO THAT DIRECTLY PROHIBITED ME FROM ESTABLISHING THAT.
AND THAT IN EFFECT, UH, PROHIBITED MY ABILITY FROM, FROM TRAINING OTHER PEOPLE USING THAT VEHICLE.
SO, YEAH, I MEAN, THERE ARE TIMES WHEN I CAN QUITE REASONABLY SAY THAT, YEAH, THE, THE TEMPORARY ACCESS WILL EVEN WORK FOR ME ON SOME OCCASIONS.
BUT I AM A FREQUENT USER, UH, CONSIDERABLY MORE THAN MANY OF THE OTHER PILOTS.
BUT I KNOW THAT OTHER PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO USE THIS AIRPORT MORE FREQUENTLY.
UM, AND THIS PARTICULAR AIRFIELD ACTUALLY DOES HAVE A BETTER RUNWAY POSITION THAN SOME OF THE ALTERNATIVES WHEN THE WINDS ARE SHIFTED.
SO WE, WE WANT TO USE THIS AIRPORT MORE.
UM, AND AS SUCH, WE'LL BRING OUR BUSINESS HERE, RIGHT? I MEAN, ESPECIALLY NOW WITH THE RESTAURANT THERE, PLANNING ON FLYING IN AND SO FORTH.
THE UNFORTUNATE PART HERE IS THAT WHILE I UNDERSTAND THE DESIRE FOR THE CITY TO TRY AND PROTECT ITSELF, YOU ARE AT NO GREATER RISK THAN YOU'VE EVER BEEN BEFORE, RIGHT? WE'RE TALKING AN AIRCRAFT THAT WEIGHS VERY, VERY LITTLE HERE.
YOU KNOW, EVEN MR. COHAN ADMITTED IN THE LAST MEETING THAT HE HASN'T HAD PROBLEMS WITH ULTRA LIGHTS.
THE ISSUE HERE HAS BEEN WITH TENANTS AND, UH, WITH OTHER AIRCRAFT, RIGHT? I MEAN, THE WHOLE ISSUE OF THAT AIRCRAFT FLYING INTO A HANGAR, I I MEAN, THESE ULTRALIGHTS DON'T CARRY ENOUGH WEIGHT TO DO ANY OF THE DAMAGE THAT YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT.
ALL THAT'S CHANGED HERE IS THAT THEY'VE TRIED TO MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT.
AND I'M SORRY, IT'S JUST VERY, VERY CLEAR, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE IS
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A PROPENSITY HERE TO TRY AND CONTROL WHAT IT'S WRITTEN THROUGHOUT YOUR MUNICIPAL CODE.SO I, YOU KNOW, I, I REALLY FEEL THAT IT'S CLEAR, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE LATEST RESULTS, LATEST THINGS HERE, THAT, ONCE AGAIN, THE REQUIREMENTS CHANGED WHEN I SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED THEM.
UM, AND, AND NOW IT BASICALLY CREATES A POSITION WHERE I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET THAT CARD.
AND THEN I SHOULD HAVE GOT THE CARD WITH UNRESTRICTED ACCESS.
AND YET NOW IT WAS SPECIFICALLY RESTRICTED.
'CAUSE THAT'S NOT HOW THINGS HAVE WORKED HERE.
IF WE AS A COMMISSION MAKE A DECISION, DOES IT THEN GO TO CITY COUNCIL IT, WHAT KIND OF DECISION? PARDON? WHAT, WHAT, WHAT KIND OF DECISION? DECISION ON CHANGE OF THE POLICY OR, RIGHT.
IF WE MAKE, RECOMMEND, MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, CAN WE MAKE A DECISION THIS EVENING OR IF WE TOOK A VOTE OR, AND THEN THE NEXT IS TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL, OR WE'RE NOT, WE'RE STILL ON THE DISCUSSIONS.
IT DOES ALLOW THE AIRPORT MANAGER TO, TO RESTRICT ULTRALIGHT, UM, NON-LICENSED AIRCRAFT.
UM, SO THAT, THAT IS PART OF OUR MUNICIPAL CODE.
UM, AS FAR AS THE USE POLICY, IT'S MORE OF AN INTERNAL THING.
THERE COULD MAKE, MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, I WILL SAY THAT WE HAVE AN FAA COMPLAINT THAT IS ACTIVE.
UM, SO I CAN'T REALLY SAY MUCH MORE TO WHAT WE'LL BE MOVING TOWARDS.
AND BASED ON THE, THE RESPONSE WE GET FROM THE FA WOULD DICTATE HOW WE WOULD CHANGE THE RULES.
UM, WE'RE, WE DON'T CHANGE THE RULES BASED ON A SINGLE INDIVIDUAL OR A SMALL GROUP.
WE, WE CHANGE THE RULES BASED ON INTERNAL POLICIES, PROCEDURES, AND ALSO THE FAA.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S HOW WE TYPICALLY DO THIS.
NOW, THE, THE, UH, COMMISSION IS WELCOME TO MAKE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS, AND WE DEFINITELY WILL, WILL NOTE THOSE AND IT'LL BE PART OF THE PROCESS.
BUT AT THIS TIME, I CAN'T COMMIT TO MAKING ANY CHANGES UNTIL WE GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE FAA.
SO WE COULDN'T EVEN DO LIKE A TEMPORARY 90 DAY PROBATION PERIOD, 90 DAY PROBATION PERIOD FOR NEW RULES, OR ARE YOU TALKING, LET'S GIVE HIM TEMPORARY ACCESS FOR 90 DAYS ON A PROBATION PERIOD.
AND THEN IF THERE IS ANY SITUATIONS OR CIRCUMSTANCES THAT NEEDED, YOU KNOW, I, I BELIEVE WE HAVE IN OUR CHARTER, IT'S IN OUR AUTHORITY TO ADOPT A MOTION OR, UH, BASICALLY MAKE A MOTION TO MAKE A CHANGE THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO DO THAT, UM, TO DIRECT THE AIRPORT MANAGEMENT TEMPORARY, LIKE 90 DAYS PROBATION.
WE COULD DO THAT IF, IF, AND THEN COME BACK TO IT IN 90 DAYS.
SO THE, THE CHALLENGE HERE IS THE, THE, WHAT WE'VE BEEN GIVEN FROM THE COMMISSION, UH, THE DIRECTION I'VE BEEN GETTING IS WE WANT STANDARDIZED.
AND THIS GOES IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION OF STANDARDIZED.
SO IF WE WERE GONNA GIVE ONE INDIVIDUAL ACCESS, WHAT ARE WE DOING? WELL, IT WOULD BE TO ANY OF THE PILOTS WHO, WHO FILL OUT THE APPLICATION FOR ULTRA LIGHTS.
SO IF THERE'S MANY PILOTS, THEN WE COULD GIVE THEM NINE.
THIS IS OUR 90 DAYS TO SEE HOW IT GOES.
THAT WOULD BE ABOVE MY PROBATION.
DO WE HAVE TO CHECK WITH THE CI WOULD SAY IF THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION, THE, THE COMMISSION WANTS TO MAKE, THAT'S, THAT'S FINE.
I WOULD HAVE TO GET PERMISSION ABOVE ME FOR THAT.
WE'D HAVE TO JUST CONSULT THE RISKA MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT IF EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH IT.
BUT, UM, SO WE COULDN'T MAKE A DECISION.
I CAN'T, I CAN'T, NOTHING TONIGHT ISN'T I, AS I ASSUME WE COULD, UH, IF WE WANTED TO COME UP WITH A MOTION TO DO THAT, AND IF WE VOTE ON IT, UH, TO MOVE IT FORWARD, I ASSUME IF LIKE WE CAN, UH, I ASSUME WE COULD DO THAT.
AND IF THE RISK MANAGER HAS AN ISSUE WITH THAT, THEN THAT COULD BE, BUT JUST, JUST TO KIND OF SPEED THE PROCESS UP.
WELL, THAT'S, I DON'T SEE WHY WE COULDN'T OTHERWISE, WE'RE JUST, YEAH.
I DON'T SEE WHY WE COULDN'T VOTE ON THAT TONIGHT.
COME, COME UP WITH, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M, I'M HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE, MAKE THE MOTION, JEFF? I'M HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION TO, AS, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER NOW PROPOSED PROVIDE, UH, 90 DAY TEMPORARY ACCESS.
IS THAT GOOD? IS THAT, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT START.
I, I MIGHT JUST ADD THAT OTHER AIRPORTS, THAT'S EXACTLY HOW THEY HAD IT.
IN FACT, ONE AIRPORT THAT WE WORKED WITH THIS YEAR INITIALLY WAS A LITTLE HESITANT TO PROVIDE ACCESS CARDS.
BUT THEY SUBSEQUENTLY DID PROVIDE THEM, AND THEY'VE NOW ACTUALLY REQUESTED THAT EACH PERSON WHO WANTS TO MAKE ACCESS OF THAT AIRFIELD USES THEIR OWN CARD RATHER THAN A SHARED CARD AMONG INDIVIDUALS.
SO THEY'VE ACHIEVED WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO, WHICH IS KNOW WHO'S USING THE AIRFIELD AND WHEN THEY'RE
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USING THE AIRFIELD.UM, AND THE ONLY THING THEY ASKED FOR EXCHANGE WAS $20 FOR THE CARD AND THE DRIVER'S LICENSE NUMBER.
SO I THINK THAT'S A REASONABLE COMPROMISE THAT YOU'RE IDENTIFYING WHO THE INDIVIDUAL IS COMING ONTO YOUR AIRFIELD.
YOU HAVE A RECOURSE TO, TO USE THE MEANS THAT YOU HAVE TO GO AFTER THEM.
AND I PERSONALLY FEEL THAT'S QUITE REASONABLE.
I OBVIOUSLY DON'T REPRESENT ALL OF THE PILOTS.
CAN I ASK DAN ONE, WHEN, WHEN YOU COLLECT THE INFORMATION, DO YOU GET THE DRIVER'S LICENSE INFORMATION? DO YOU, AND ARE YOU COLLECTING ANY, IT'S THE APPLICATION.
IS IT, IS IT PART OF THAT? YEP.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A MANDATORY FIELD, BUT, UM, YES, WE DO REQUIRE THE DRIVER'S LICENSE.
IF IT'S MISSING, WE SEND THE SEND IT BACK.
UH, IT DOES SAY, UH, REQUIRED FOR DRIVER DRIVER'S LICENSE NUMBER IS REQUIRED ON THE FORM.
AND WE'VE HAD AT LEAST THERE'S NO INSURANCE.
AND THERE'S AT LEAST ONE INDIVIDUAL THAT I KNOW HAD A, A REQUEST DENIED 'CAUSE THEY FORGOT TO ADD IN THE DRIVER'S LICENSE.
SO, YOU KNOW, I HAD TO EXPLAIN TO THAT INDIVIDUAL THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S REASONABLE.
UM, DO WE, SHOULD WE VOTE ON IT OR DO WE NEED TO? ALL IN ALL IN FAVOR.
AND, AND I, I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST THAT, THAT IN, 'CAUSE WE'LL BE SETTING THIS UP.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT, DECEMBER, JANUARY.
SO PROBABLY THE FEBRUARY MEETING.
THAT, THAT IS A, THE CA THE AIRPORT COMMISSION IS RECOMMENDING A 90 DAY PROBATIONARY PERIOD.
BUT IT NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED BY THE RISK MANAGER.
RISK MANAGER WITH CAVEAT THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT THE RISK MANAGER WILL HAVE A FARM.
SO JUST, JUST SO THAT'LL GO ON ON MONDAY.
I UNDERSTAND THIS IS THE LAST WORKDAY FOR THIS WEEK FOR AIRPORT STAFF, ADMIN STAFF.
SO GO INTO MONDAY NEXT WEEK, UM, NEXT WEEK ON MONDAY.
UM, WE DO HAVE A HOLIDAY AT THE END OF THE WEEK, BUT I'M HOPING WE COULD GET SOME, SOME MOVEMENT ON THAT.
IT MAY BE VERY SIMPLE, IT MAY BE MORE COMPLEX.
WE ALREADY HAVE, LIKE AS MENTIONED, WE HAVE A REQUEST IN WITH THE RISK MANAGER TO EVALUATE AT LEAST THAT ACTIVITY, UH, ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
SO, UM, YEAH, WE WILL, WE'LL PUT THAT FORWARD.
IF THERE ARE NO MORE COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM, WE SHALL MOVE ON TO
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THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS, UM, THE COMMITTEE COMMENT.AND THE FIRST ITEM IS THE COUNCIL UPDATE.
YOU CAN TELL US ABOUT THE TRESTLE
WELL, WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY FOR IT.
LIKE I WAS JUST SAYING, WE HAVE VERY, WE HAVE A LOT OF UNFUNDED, UM, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, AND THAT'S ONE OF THEM.
UM, WE DID, IF YOU'VE BEEN GOING DOWN MCDOWELL, YOU SEE THE IMPROVEMENTS FOR BICYCLES AND DRIVERS ON MCDOWELL GOING DOWN TO, UM, OLD RED, UM, THAT'S CALLED ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION.
AND I BELIEVE IT WAS SOME OF THE MEASURE U MONEY THAT MADE IT FOR SAFETY.
AND WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, MORE STREETS, ESPECIALLY D STREET, TO HAVE THIS ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION.
THEY'RE ALSO, UM, THEY EITHER FINISHED GARFIELD OR THEY'RE WORKING ON GARFIELD, UM, ON THE EAST SIDE FOR THIS, BECAUSE THAT GOES TO CASA GRANDE HIGH SCHOOL.
UM, WE ALSO, UM, WE DID THE OVERLAY FOR THE SENIORS, UM, MOBILE HOME BECAUSE OF THE SENIOR PARKS ARE BEING THREATENED BY THE OWNERS.
UM, NOT ONLY RENT INCREASES, BUT CHANGING IT FROM SENIOR LIVING TO ALL AGES.
SO WE DID A SENIOR OVERLAY FOR THE FIVE PARKS THAT ARE SENIOR ONLY.
UM, OUR NEXT MEETING IS THIS MONDAY.
WE'RE GONNA, UM, GET TO TALK ABOUT, UH, STORY POLLS AT THE HOTEL SITE ON B STREET AND MIDDLE BOULEVARD.
UM, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH, UM, EVERYTHING EXCEPT FOR PESTICIDES.
WE DID TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IN THE FUTURE AND HOW WE'RE GONNA DEAL WITH, UM, PESTICIDE USAGE IN OUR PARKS.
SO THAT'S STILL AN ONGOING, UM, ISSUE WITH THE, UM, THE, IT'S CALLED, UM, I'M BLANKING ON IT, BUT IT'S THE WEED ABATEMENT AND HOW WE'RE GONNA DEAL WITH IT.
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ON IT AT THE AIRPORT WITH THE, THE, UM, ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY, BUT WE'RE NOT USING THE, THE AGGRESSIVE CHEMICAL ANYMORE.AND ROOSTER RUN WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME, UM, AMENDMENT BECAUSE THEY NEED SOME OF THOSE WEEDS ERADICATED.
SO IT'S THE CLOSEST THING TO THE AIRPORT, BUT IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE AIRPORT.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE COUNCIL'S BEEN WORKING ON.
AND WE'LL BE BACK NEXT MONDAY.
AND I WOULD SAY THAT THAT DEANNE HAS DONE WITH THE WEEDED ABATEMENT, UH, GOING WITHOUT, HE'S DONE A PHENOMENAL JOB.
'CAUSE YOU CAN SEE THE BLUE WEEDS, SO HE KNOWS WHAT'S BEEN SPRAYED
AND, AND WE HAVE, WE HAVE VERY GOOD STAFF
SO YEAH, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE AHEAD OF THE CURVE ON THAT.
THE NEXT ITEM IS THE AD HOC SUBCOMMITTEE UPDATES.
DO YOU HAVE ANY UPDATES FOR YOUR SURE.
SO OBVIOUSLY WE HEARD ABOUT THE ACCESS TONIGHT, SO I THINK WE, UH, WE ARE GOOD ON THAT FOR A COUPLE MONTHS.
UM, THE OTHER THING IS THE, UH, HANGAR WAIT LIST.
SO I'LL, I GUESS I'LL TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SEE IF DAN CAN GIVE US AN UPDATE ON, UM, THE CURRENT STATUS OF ANY HANGAR MOVEMENTS, AVAILABILITY, ET CETERA.
YES, WE'VE KIND OF REACHED THE END, I THINK FOR SOME OF THE FOLKS THAT WERE ON, UM, HOLDS.
UH, WE, WE HAVE I THINK SOME SIX MONTH HOLDS.
SO WE'LL BE REACHING OUT TO THEM AGAIN, UH, DOUBLE CHECKING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY DON'T, AREN'T INTERESTED.
UH, WE HAVE TWO HANGERS RIGHT NOW.
UM, ONE OF 'EM, THEY, WE HAVE INTEREST IN ONE OF 'EM.
WE MAY, THAT ONE MAY BE GONE BY THE END OF NEXT WEEK.
UM, BUT, UH, RIGHT NOW WE, WE HAVE TWO HANGERS AND ON OUR HANG HANGER WAITING LIST IS PRETTY MUCH WHERE IT WAS BEFORE.
I MEAN, WE MAY HAVE ADDED ONE OVER THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS, BUT IT'S ABOUT THE SAME.
I GUESS WE'RE, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE GETTING INTO GOING BACK THROUGH THE LIST FOR FOLKS THAT WERE ON KINDA A HOLD.
UH, SOME PEOPLE, WE HAD ONE PERSON CONTACT US RECENTLY THAT, UH, WE HADN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET AHOLD OF.
THEY JUST IGNORED OUR, OUR PHONE CALLS AND EMAILS.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE BACK IN THE, IN THE ACTIVE LIST.
THEY WERE INACTIVE FOR A WHILE.
SO LITTLE BY LITTLE TRYING TO BRING PEOPLE OFF OF THE INACTIVE LIST BACK ON THE ACTIVE LIST.
AND UM, RIGHT NOW WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE TO A HUNDRED PERCENT AS FAR AS, UM, OCCUPANCY.
UH, BUT THAT COULD CHANGE, UH, OBVIOUSLY.
UH, BUT, UH, THERE DOES SEEM TO BE A, A LITTLE BIT MORE INTEREST IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS AS FAR AS, UM, WALK-INS.
WE DO GET QUITE A FEW WALK-INS AND, UM, THAT'S HOW WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ALREADY, UH, REASSIGN A COUPLE HANGERS OVER THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS.
SO IF WE GET BACK TO THE POINT WHERE WE, UH, HAVE AN ACTIVE WAITING LIST AND DON'T HAVE ANY AVAILABLE HANGERS, UM, WHERE ARE WE AT WITH, UH, I KNOW WE WERE TALKING ABOUT INSURANCE COMPLIANCE AND THEN OBVIOUSLY JUST COMPLIANCE WITH, UH, GENERAL AIRCRAFT STORAGE.
I KNOW THERE'S STILL A COUPLE HANGERS THAT, UH, DON'T HAVE AIRCRAFT IN 'EM.
SO HAVE YOU HAD ANY MORE CONVERSATIONS WITH ANY, UH, TENANTS THAT, UH, ARE OUTTA COMPLIANCE? YES.
I DON'T HAVE THE LIST IN FRONT OF ME, I APOLOGIZE.
BUT, UM, WE GAVE TWO, WE TERMINATED TWO, UM, LICENSES, UH, FOR NON-COMPLIANCE WITH EITHER THE AIRCRAFT POLICY OR INSURANCE POLICY.
UM, WE, UH, GIVE ANOTHER TERMINATION FOR LACK OF PAYMENT.
CAN'T CONTACT THE PERSON ANYMORE, JUST COMPLETELY DEAD.
UH, WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTACT WITH THE, UH, LIEUTENANT.
VERY HIGH BALANCE ON THE ACCOUNT.
ANOTHER ONE, SAME THING, HIGH BALANCE, UM, AND, UM, JUST LACK OF COMMUNICATION.
THERE'S A COUPLE OTHERS RIGHT NOW.
I THINK OF THE, THE PHASE THAT WE'RE MOVING, WE'RE MOVING AWAY FROM.
UM, AND THERE'S TWO OTHER ONES THAT, UH, WE'RE ABLE TO, ONE'S ALREADY GIVEN NOTICE TO QUIT AFTER WE SAID YOU WE'RE GOING TO GET AN AIRCRAFT, YOUR HANGAR, AND THEY SAID, NO, WE WE'RE NOT INTERESTED.
WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE, THE SAME SITUATION THAT WILL BE OUT BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
WE ENCOURAGE THEM TO GET AN AIRCRAFT, MAYBE EVEN AN AIRCRAFT THAT'S ON THE RAMP, YOU KNOW, WORKING ON A MAYBE A PART OWNERSHIP SITUATION.
WE, WE TRY TO PROVIDE ALL THE, THE DIFFERENT AVENUES.
UM, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER ONE THAT WILL BE BECOME AVAILABLE.
UM, WE'VE MOVED INTO, GOT A NEW PHASE NOW WHERE WE ARE, UM, TARGETING, UH, WHAT WE MIGHT CONSIDER DERELICT AIRCRAFT.
SO OF THE TWO AIRCRAFT THAT ARE ON THE RAMP THAT ARE KIND OF THAT STATE, ONE IS BEING, UM, PURCHASED OR I THINK GIVEN TO, UH, ANOTHER 10TH THAT'S ON THE FIELD.
SO THAT SHOULD BE DISAPPEARING OFF THE RAMP FAIRLY SOON.
AND THEN THE SECOND AIRCRAFT, WE'RE WORKING WITH THE OWNER ON OPTIONS, BUT THEY'VE, UM, COMMITTED TO, TO MAKING SURE THAT AIRCRAFT HAS THE MINIMUM INSURANCE REQUIRED AND, UM, THAT THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD TOWARDS SOME SORT OF A REPAIR OR BRINGING BACK TO SERVICE.
UM, THERE'S ANOTHER AIRCRAFT THAT'S IN A HANGAR THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE THE CORRECT AMOUNT OF INSURANCE THAT'S CURRENT AND ENCOURAGING THEM TO ALSO GET THEIR AIRCRAFT OUTTA THAT
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DE ELECT.I DON'T THINK IT'S FLOWN AT 12 YEARS.
SO THAT WE WE'RE AS AT, PER THE INTENT THAT WE, WE RECEIVE FROM THE AIRPORT COMMISSION TO TRY TO MOVE SOME OF THESE AIRCRAFT.
AND, UM, AND IT'S, IT'S OPENING UP A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE THAT IN SOME CASES HAVE NEVER HAD A HANGAR BEFORE AND ARE NEW TO AND SOME OF OUR NEW TO AIRCRAFT OWNERSHIP.
YEAH, I SPOKE WITH A, UH, A NEW TENANT THE OTHER DAY WHO MOVED IN WITH A BONANZA, UM, NEW TO PETALUMA.
HE HAD BEEN ON THE AIRPORT WITH THE HANGAR WAITING LIST FOR QUITE A WHILE AND WAS SURPRISED HOW QUICKLY AFTER SITTING ON THERE FOR A WHILE IT HAD STARTED TO MOVE.
UM, SO HE'S HAPPY TO BE AT PETALUMA AND THAT'S EXACTLY THE REASON WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO GO THROUGH THIS.
SO THANKS FOR WORKING ON THAT.
DO YOU KNOW, UH, ANY UPDATES ON THE, THE TIE DOWNS? HAVE YOU GOTTEN ANY MORE INTEREST IN, 'CAUSE I KNOW YOU SAID THAT WAS KIND OF SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO FOCUS ON AS WELL.
'CAUSE S WE A COUPLE, WE'VE GOT A COUPLE, UM, INTERESTED PARTIES.
I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO ROUTE AT LEAST ONE APP APPLICATION RIGHT NOW.
UH, I THINK IT'S STUCK AT INSURANCE, BUT, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF INTEREST.
UM, WE ARE, WE ARE STARTING TO GET INTEREST FROM LARGER AIRCRAFT JETS POTENTIALLY FOR MORE SHORT TERM, YOU KNOW, 3, 4, 6 MONTHS.
THEY JUST NEED TO PUT AN AIRCRAFT SOMEWHERE.
THEY'RE NOT THRILLED TO HAVE IT OUTSIDE, BUT IT'S BETTER THAN, THAN OUTTA THE AREA.
SO THERE IS A LITTLE INTEREST THERE.
WE HAVEN'T GONE WIDE WITH ANY KIND OF, UM, ADVERTISEMENT, WHICH WE MAY HAVE TO DO AT SOME POINT.
UM, BUT UM, YEAH, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF INTEREST AND, UM, I, I THINK AT SOME POINT WE WILL FIGURE OUT A WAY, THE BEST WAY TO ADVERTISE THAT, WHETHER IT'S MORE OF A SOCIAL MEDIA, UM, PROMOTION OF A POST THROUGH THE CITY OR POSSIBLY THROUGH ONE OF THE OTHER, UM, ONE OF THE OTHER CHANNELS OR WEBSITES OR SOMETHING TO, TO TRY TO DRUM INTEREST.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS A LOT OF INTEREST, BUT IT WOULD BE WORTH SPENDING A LITTLE BIT ON THAT.
SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE DO IN THE SPRING.
UM, AND UM, AFTER WE, A LOT OF OUR TIME RIGHT NOW IS FOCUSED ON INSURANCE AND AIRCRAFT COMPLIANCE.
THAT'S KINDA WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE PUTTING ALL OF OUR ENERGIES, BUT THAT, THAT'S A GREAT NE NEXT STEP IS TO TRY TO FILL UP THE RAMP.
ANY, ANYTHING FURTHER? JEFF? I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.
DOES ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR JEFF? UH, I'LL GO TO TOM NOW BECAUSE, UH, COMMISSIONER DIETRICH IS NOT HERE, SO WE WON'T HEAR FROM UPDATE FROM HER.
SO TOM, COULD YOU, YOU AN UPDATE FOR US? UM, NANCY AND I HAD HAD ANOTHER, UH, VERY EFFECTIVE, UH, COFFEE CLUTCH AT, UH, PETE'S COFFEE A COUPLE OF WEEKS BACK.
AND, UM, WE, UM, TALKED TO, UM, MANAGER DAN FOR, UM, FOR A FAIR BIT, INTERVIEWED HIM BASICALLY GATHERING HIS VIEW, HIS EXPERIENCE AND THE CURRENT STATE AND THE FUTURE VIEW OF, UM, WHERE THE AIRPORT AND THE FINANCES ARE HEADED AND WHAT THAT RELATES TO IN TERMS OF HOW WE MANAGE OUR, UM, ANNUAL RATE INCREASES AND THAT SORT OF THING.
I ALSO REACHED OUT TO FORMER MANAGER BOB PATTERSON AND GOT SOME OF HIS INPUT AND IT MIRRORED WHAT, UM, WHAT DAN, UH, SHARED WITH NANCY AND MYSELF.
AND I'D LIKE TO THANK, UM, DAN FOR THE LATEST, UM, AIRPORT TENANT NEWSLETTER.
UM, HE INCLUDED IN THERE SOME OF THE THINGS WE DISCUSSED WITH HIM REGARDING, UM, HAVING THE CITY LOOK AT DECOUPLING AUTOMATIC INCREASES AT THE AIRPORT WITH ALL THE OTHER CITY INCREASES ANNUALLY, WHICH IN THE LAST NUMBER OF YEARS HAVE BEEN CONNECTED WITH THE BAY AREA COST A LIVING INDEX, WHICH WE ALL KNOW IS A LITTLE HIGHER THAN, UH, MAYBE WHAT'S REQUIRED TO, UH, KEEP THE AIRPORT SOLVENT.
SO THEY'RE LOOKING TO DISCONNECT THAT AND LOOK AT WHAT'S REALLY SPECIFICALLY REQUIRED FOR THE AIRPORT.
AND ALSO ONE OF THE OTHER ISSUES THAT CAME UP WAS THAT, UM, THE LAST HANGAR RENT, UH, INCREASE WAS BASED ON THE PER SQUARE FOOT AMOUNT OF THE HANGERS.
AND, AND THOSE ARE VARIABLE DEPENDING ON THE AGE OF THE HANGAR, THE SIZE AMENITIES AND THAT SORT OF THING.
UM, AND THAT GOT A LITTLE CONVOLUTED BECAUSE WHEN YOU TRY TO ADD, UM, 3.4% ON TOP OF 49.10 CENTS PER SQUARE FOOT PER MONTH, IT GET, IT CAN GET WEIRD BECAUSE ONE GUY IN A HANGAR OF THE SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE, UM, MIGHT GET A CERTAIN INCREASE, BUT A GUY NEXT DOOR WITH SIMILAR SQUARE FOOTAGE, IT, IT MIGHT BE DIFFERENT.
AND SO THEY DIDN'T ALL COME OUT TO THE STATED INCREASE AMOUNT, WHICH WAS THREE AND HALF PERCENT OR WHATEVER IT WAS.
SO THE THOUGHT WAS THAT INSTEAD OF DOING IT ON THE PER, UH, PER SQUARE FOOT BASIS, BUT DO IT ON THE AMOUNT OF WHATEVER THE MONTHLY RENT IS NOW.
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AND YOU PAY 500 A MONTH, BUT IT GOES UP 3% INSTEAD OF TRYING TO ROUND IT TO THE NEAREST 10THSO IT WAS GOOD TO SEE THAT THAT'S BEING ADDRESSED AND GOING FORWARD.
UM, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS NANCY AND I TALKED ABOUT AND WE MENTIONED TO DAN, IS THAT, UH, WE'RE TAKING A LOOK AT SUMMARIZING THE HISTORIC, UM, RATES AND CHARGES AS THEY RELATE TO OUR EXPENDITURES AND OUR REVENUES.
AND TRYING TO SUMMARIZE THAT, NOT INTO HUGE DETAIL, BUT INTO SORT OF BIG BLOCKS AND PERHAPS, UH, EVEN CONSIDER HAVING A AIRPORT TENANT TOWN HALL, MAYBE AT THE PAPA HANGAR OR SOMEPLACE, UH, WHERE WE COULD, UH, SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH THE AIRPORT TENANTS BECAUSE IN MANY CASES, UM, AND DAN PUT A LOT OF BASIC INFORMATION IN THE MOST RECENT NEWSLETTER FOR TENANTS.
BUT, UH, TO GIVE FOLKS A CHANCE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE DETAIL ON, UH, WHAT IT TAKES TO KEEP THE AIRPORT RUNNING, KEEP IT SOLVENT, KEEP OUR PROJECTS FUNDED AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
UM, I, I JUST, THEY JUST DON'T KNOW FOR THE MOST PART.
AND SO ANYTIME THERE'S A RENT INCREASE, WHY'S MY RENT GOING UP? I DIDN'T GET ANY MORE SERVICES.
UH, DUDE, YOU KNOW, INFLATION.
SO I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S SORT OF ONE OF OUR THOUGHTS THAT NANCY AND I HAD AS WE CAN PUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT TOGETHER.
SO WE'RE WORKING ON THAT AND DAN'S HELPING PROVIDE DATA FOR THAT.
I DON'T KNOW, HAVE ANY IDEA YET WHEN THAT'S GONNA BE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO STILL WORK ON THAT, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE'D LIKE TO DO IN THE FUTURE.
UM, AND WITH THAT, THAT FINISHES UP OUR COMMITTEE COMMENTS.
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UH, THE FINAL ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS, UH, STAFF COMMENT, WHICH IS, OH, SORRY, FORGIVE ME.NO, WE GOT ONE MORE COMMISSIONER COMMENTS.
DO UH, ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY COMMENTS? UH, ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS, UH, THANK YOU, MARCUS, FOR YOUR HARD WORK WITH ALL OF THE PAPA DISPLAY DAYS.
UM, WE BROKE 200 AGAIN THIS LAST OCTOBER, THIRD SATURDAY OF, UM, IT WAS A SUCCESS.
AND, UM, WHEN I PULLED MY PLANE OFF THE DISPLAY RAMP, UM, AP 51 PULLED IN BEHIND ME.
SO I'M GLAD I WAS ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THE MUSTANG.
UM, I HAD A LITTLE BARGAINING FOR THAT ONE.
BUT ANYWAY, UH, SEEING THAT OLD WARBIRD THERE ON THE LINE IN PRISTINE CONDITION AND SEEING IT FLY WAS JUST TOTALLY AMAZING.
SO, UM, I THINK THAT'S VERY VALUABLE FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AND SO MANY OF THE PEOPLE, I'LL BET OVER HALF THAT I MEET WHEN I, I WELCOME THEM TO THE AIRPORT, IT'S THEIR FIRST TIME.
THEY'VE NEVER BEEN TO A DISPLAY DAY BEFORE.
AND THE LITTLE KIDS, I MEAN, THEY'RE IN AWE AND SO MANY ARE INTERESTED IN LEARNING TO FLY.
SO, AND I THINK IT WAS GREAT WITH THE P 51 THAT CAME IN THE, THE PILOT WAS VERY, HE SAT, HE STOOD, HE WAS THERE TO, TO VISIT TWO NINER DINER AS WELL, BUT HE WAS VERY GENEROUS WITH HIS TIME IN ANSWERING QUESTIONS.
AND SO IT, IT, IT WAS, IT WAS AWESOME THING AROUND, BECAUSE IT WAS A THING, IT WAS A, A PIECE OF HISTORY, A PIECE OF BEAUTY, AND, AND HE WAS VERY HUMBLE AND VERY, VERY GENEROUS WITH HIS TIME.
AND HAVING THE DINER OPEN AGAIN IS A GREAT ASSET.
NOT JUST FOR, FOR ALL OF US, UH, BUT FOR, UH, PETALUMA CITIZENS.
UM, I'VE, I'VE TALKED TO PEOPLE AROUND AND SAYS, OH, HAVE YOU BEEN TO THE TWO NINER DINER? WELL, YEAH, HOW ABOUT YOU WE'RE GOING THIS WEEKEND? YOU KNOW? SO IT'S, UH, IT, I'M, I'M GLAD THEY'RE BACK UP.
AND WE HAD A, A TACO TRUCK THERE TOO, AND IT ALL WORKED VERY, VERY WELL, COMBINED TOGETHER.
SO I, I, I THINK WE OUGHT TO CONTINUE THAT NEXT SPRING WHEN WE HAVE OUR NEXT ONE.
SO WHETHER YOU'RE IN CHARGE OR NOT, MARCUS, THAT'S COOL.
UM, I HAVE HEARD THAT, UM, ONE OF THE TEACHERS AT KENNELWORTH JUNIOR HIGH IS INTERESTED IN DOING AN AVIATION RELATED STEM, UM, PROGRAM.
AND SO I KNOW ONE OF OUR PILOTS IS WORKING WITH, UH, HER, I BELIEVE, AND ALSO, UM, I WAS SEATING CHILDREN IN THE 180 2, AND THEY WERE, SOME OF THOSE CHILDREN ARE JUST AMAZING.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT JUST MADE EVERYBODY HAPPY.
YOU KNOW, I WAS HAPPY, THE KIDS WERE HAPPY, THE PARENTS WERE HAPPY.
IT WAS REALLY A DELIGHTFUL DAY.
OH, THANKS FOR, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, YEAH, I THINK THE MORE WE CAN DO WITH STEM YEAH.
UH, BECAUSE I KNOW AOPA SPONSORS THAT A LOT BETWEEN, BETWEEN, UH, THE MANGAN FACILITY WHERE KIDS MIGHT BE ABLE TO COME IN AND GET UP CLOSE AND PEER THROUGH A COWLING OR SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO DO OTHERWISE.
UH, ASSUMING THAT'S COPACETIC, THAT'D BE GREAT.
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THEN MAYBE CHECK OUT THE FLIGHT SCHOOL AND THE FLIGHT SIMULATOR AND ALL THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.ANYTHING YOU CAN DO TO STOKE THE INTEREST, UH, WOULD BE GREAT.
WELL, MARK, UH, OUR POP-UP PRESIDENT IS, IS DEEPLY INVOLVED WITH WHAT NANCY WAS TALKING 'CAUSE HE WAS ON OUR, THIS WEEKEND HE WAS TELLING US ABOUT IT, SO.
UH, I THINK THAT WE'LL MAYBE WE'LL GET SOME, UH, YOUNG VOLUNTEERS FOR DISPLAY DAY TOO.
I DO WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY THAT VETERANS DAY IS SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 11TH, AND I BELIEVE THERE'S A COUPLE OF FLYOVERS.
YOU GUYS PROBABLY KNOW MORE THAN I DO ANYWAY.
UM, THE PARADE STARTS AT ONE ONE O'CLOCK.
BUT THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER THINGS GOING ON DOWNTOWN, UM, IN HONOR OF OUR VETS.
SO DO THEY LAND AT OUR AIRPORT? NO, THE, IF IT'S THE HUEY THAT DOES ALL THE FLY, THEY, THEY'LL BE BASED OUT OF, UH, THE AIRPORT.
AND I KNOW DAN MAYBE KNOW, BUT THAT THEY DO RIDES.
ARE THEY, ARE THEY COMING DAN FOR THE, I DON'T KNOW, JUST THE CORVETTES.
THAT'S ALL WE'VE BEEN MADE AWARE OF.
THEY'LL BE FORMING UP IN THE PARKING LOT.
CORVETTES WITH VETS IN THEM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT YEAH, I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A QUITE A FEW AIRCRAFT.
UH, WITH THAT WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE, WHAT I THOUGHT WAS GOT JUMPED TO A LITTLE EARLIER.
IT SAYS STAFF COMMENT, SO WE'LL GET TO THE AIRPORT MANAGER'S REPORT.
JUST GOING THROUGH THIS REAL QUICK, UM, YOU KNOW, TO THE END OF, UM, SEPTEMBER, WE'RE SHOWING, UH, ABOUT $440,000 IN REVENUE AND JUST UNDER $300,000 IN, UM, EXPENDITURES.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS, AS WE MENTIONED BEFORE, AT THE END OF NOVEMBER, WE'LL SHOW, UH, THE PAYMENT FOR THE, UH, 2004 HANGAR PROJECT, WHICH WILL BE AROUND FOUR OR FOUR AND A HALF THOUSAND DOLLARS.
UM, SO THAT'LL BE COMING SOON.
SO YES, WE'RE, WE'RE A BIT AHEAD IN REVENUE RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT'LL DEFINITELY GET, UM, TAKEN OUT BY THAT, THAT PAYMENT.
LOOKING GREAT SO FAR THIS YEAR.
UM, NOT QUITE WHERE WE THOUGHT WE'D BE WITH SOME OF THE, UH, FUEL SALES JUST BECAUSE OF THE OPEN THE DINER, WE THOUGHT THERE'D BE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A SPIKE, BUT IT'S BEEN A LITTLE SOFT.
BUT, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE DOING OKAY.
WE'RE, WE'RE HITTING PRETTY MUCH OUR NORMAL NUMBERS AND, UM, WE, UM, WE'RE, I THINK WE'RE IN A REALLY GOOD PLACE SO FAR.
UM, THREE MONTHS AT LEAST THIS SHOWING THREE, THREE MONTHS INTO THE, UM, INTO THE, UH, FISCAL YEAR.
UM, COUPLE THINGS ON OPERATIONS THAT I, I DID, UH, PROVIDE THE TEMPORARY EX, UH, GATE CODE ACCESS USAGE JUST FOR, UH, COMMISSION REVIEW.
THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE'D GOTTEN A LOT OF COURT REQUESTS ON.
HOW OFTEN DO THE CODES GET USED.
AND SO WE BEST WE COULD, WE TRIED TO PULL OUT ALL THAT DATA AND, AND PROVIDE IT TO YOU.
UH, A COUPLE THINGS COMING UP THAT AREN'T ON HERE, BUT, UH, WE HAVE A GROUP OF, I BELIEVE THEY'RE, I THINK THEY'RE FOUR YEAR OLDS, UM, COMING IN ON FOUR AND FIVE YEAR OLDS COMING IN ON NEXT THURSDAY, UH, TO THE AIRPORT.
SO WE'RE JUST GONNA KINDA SHOW 'EM AROUND AND, AND TRY TO GET THEM.
THEY'VE BEEN READING SOME BOOKS ABOUT AVIATION.
UM, WE DO HAVE, UM, WE DO LIKE, UH, I MENTIONED THE, UH, THERE IS A CORVETTE THING THAT IS IN CONJUNCTION WITH, UM, THE PARADE.
WE'RE NOT GETTING INVOLVED IN IT.
THEY JUST KIND OF GAVE US A, A HEADS UP TO TODAY THAT THEY ARE COMING IN.
AND, UM, AND THEN WE DID GET A REQUEST TO PUT A BENCH AT THE AIRPORT.
UM, I, I THINK THE IDEA WAS THAT SOMEONE WANTED TO, UM, KIND OF DO A BENCH IN MEMORIAL TO A FAMILY MEMBER THAT WAS A PILOT.
UM, I THINK THEY PASSED AWAY BACK IN, UH, IN LAST YEAR, 2022.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AROUND TO SEE IF THERE'S A GOOD PLACE TO PUT THAT.
I THINK THE INTENT WAS TO PUT IT ON THE, THE PUBLIC FACING SIDE, UM, ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE.
UH, WE HAVE INQUIRED TO SEE IF THEY WERE INTERESTED IN MAYBE GOING TO WISEMAN PARK, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT COULD DO THAT.
UM, WE DO GET THESE REQUESTS EVERY SO OFTEN FOR BENCHES OR THEY'RE OCCASIONALLY GET SCATTERING OF ASHES AND OTHER THINGS.
AND WE TRY TO BE AS ACCOMMODATED AS POSSIBLE.
AND FOR THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN INTERESTED IN AVIATION OR, OR HAD A CAREER IN AVIATION, UH, AS FAR AS PROJECTS, UM, WE'RE, I'M GLAD TO SAY WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE, UH, THIS, THE SAFETY ZONE DRAINAGE CHANNEL, UH, PROJECT.
THERE IS A, ANOTHER PROJECT THE CITY IS WORKING ON TO RESTORE HABITAT IN RELATION TO THE BALL FIELDS.
I BELIEVE WE'LL BE USING THE SAME DESIGNER FOR BOTH, UH, PROJECTS.
UM, AND SO AT LEAST THE DESIGN PART FOR THAT, UM, RE UM, REWORK, RE REWORKING THE, THE CREEK AND UM, AND EROSION PROTECTION
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TO TRY TO GET, UM, WATER FLOW TO WATER FLOW BETTER THROUGH THE AIRPORT, UM, AIRPORT LAND, UH, TO PREVENT, UH, FLOODING OF THE AIRFIELD AND LEAVING LARGE BODIES OF WATER, UM, OUTSIDE OF THE RAINY SEASON TRUCK FOR A TRUCKING OF WILDLIFE.SO THANKFULLY THAT'S WHERE THAT'S, THAT IS MOVING FORWARD RIGHT NOW.
UM, WE DID GET OUR AGREEMENT TOGETHER FOR ALPHA TWAY ALPHA AND TALLY NAMED BRAVO DESIGN.
SO NOT ONLY ARE THOSE GRANTS FUNDED, WE ALSO HAVE OUR CONTRACTOR TO DO THE DESIGN ON BOTH THOSE PROJECTS.
SO, UM, THAT, THAT'S GONNA BE KICKING OFF, IF NOT NEXT WEEK, UM, PROBABLY THE WEEK AFTER.
I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY OTHER UPDATES.
THERE WAS ONE QUESTION I THINK I GOT, UH, WHEN WE WERE PUTTING THE AGENDA TOGETHER ABOUT POWER BACKUP.
I'M SORRY, I DON'T HAVE ANY UPDATES FOR THAT.
WE DID HAVE AN ENGINEER THAT WAS WORKING ON AT LEAST FOUR SITES IN THE CITY, UH, FOR A, SOME SORT OF A GENERATOR POWER BACKUP PROJECT.
THAT ENGINEER HAS LEFT AND SO WE'RE HAVING TO READ, REASSIGN THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT.
SO MORE TO COME, BUT I THINK WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT 25 FISCAL, WE 25, 26 PROBABLY FOR THAT, THAT PARTICULAR ITEM.
UM, BUT HOPEFULLY BY THE TIME COMES, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF RENEWABLES USING A GENERATOR KIND OF THING, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE BACKUP IN CASE THERE IS A POWER OUTAGE.
THANKFULLY WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY POWER OUTAGES THAT I'M BEEN AWARE OF, MAJOR ONES THIS YEAR.
UM, AT LEAST IN THE LAST FOUR MONTHS OR SO.
WE JUST SEND OUR GENERATOR BACK.
UM, 'CAUSE WE'RE AT THE END OF THE, THE FIRE SEASON AND UM, THANKFULLY THERE WERE NO ISSUES.
SO THAT HAS BEEN WORKING IN THE MEANTIME.
BUT, UH, WE STILL ARE, ARE, UM, LOOKING TO GET A PERMANENT SOLUTION FOR THAT.
NOT JUST FOR FIRE SEASON, BUT FOR YEAR END.
I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY UPDATES ON, I DO HAVE AN UPDATE ON THE, UM, HANGER,
WE DO HAVE A DESIGN CONTRACTOR.
WE ARE PROBABLY WITHIN TWO WEEKS FROM FINISHING THAT, UM, AGREEMENT.
ONCE WE HAVE THAT, THEY ARE GONNA DO THE WHOLE PROCESS FOR US FROM DESIGN TO COMPLETE BID PACKAGE READY TO GO TO BE POSTED.
UM, ONCE WE DO THAT, THEN WE CAN POST IT, UM, GET, UH, RECEIVE BIDS AND THEN, UM, GET A CONTRACTOR FOR THAT.
SO I DON'T HAVE A TIME FRAME FOR THAT, BUT I'M HOPING THAT WE COULD GET THAT BID OUT WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS NOW THAT WE HAVE THE, THE CONTRACTOR READY TO GO.
AND THEN AS FAR AS THE UM, UH, THE HANGER DOOR, WE HAVE, WE'D HAVE THE DOOR IN ORDER.
WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THE INSTALLATION, UH, DETAILS.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY CIP OR NON CIP PROJECTS? OKAY.
DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE HAVE ANYTHING.
I GET TO MY FIRST PAGE, MY SECOND PAGE.
I THINK THAT WAS THE LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
SO AT THIS POINT I WILL ADJOURN THE NOVEMBER 2ND AIRPORT COMMISSION MEETING.