* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. THE TIME IS NOW 6:30 PM ARE YOU READY TO BEGIN? YES, WE ARE READY TO BEGIN TONIGHT'S MEETING RECORDING IN PROGRESS. GOOD EVENING. UH, [CALL TO ORDER] AND WELCOME TO THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING AT THE PETALUMA CITY COUNCIL AND PETALUMA COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SUCCESSOR AGENCY FOR MONDAY, NOVEMBER 6TH. UH, DON'T FORGET IF YOU WISH TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT THIS EVENING, UH, FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD BACK OF THE ROOM AND BRING IT TO OUR CLERK SO THAT WE CAN HAVE EVERYBODY HAVE A CHANCE TO SPEAK. AND, UM, NOW, UH, I WILL INVITE MONICA RICCIO AND MARIA GALVEZ TO PROVIDE INFORMATION TO THOSE WHO WANTS TO PARTICIPATE IN SPANISH. THANK YOU. UH, GOOD EVENING ALL. OLA MARIA. THANK YOU. WE ARE READY. AND THANK YOU. AND MAY WE HAVE A ROLL CALL FOR THE EVENING COUNCIL MEMBER PRESENT. CATER THOMPSON. HERE. LEY HERE. NOW HERE, HERE, HERE. UH, MAYOR MCDONALD HERE. AND LET'S ALL STAND FOR A PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. AND NOW A MOMENT OF SILENCE. THANK YOU. AND, UM, TONIGHT, UM, I'M LOOKING UP AND DOWN THE COUNCIL, [AGENDA CHANGES AND DELETIONS (TO CURRENT AGENDA ONLY)] UH, DIAZ TO SEE IF WE HAVE ANY AGENDA CHANGES AND DELETIONS. UM, AND I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE, ONE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE OUR, UH, MARIA DRIVE PRESENTATION MOVED UP, UM, IN ORDER SO THAT IT FOLLOWS THE PROCLAMATIONS FOR THE EVENING. UH, MAINLY SO THAT, UM, IF THE PUBLIC HAS COMMENTS WHEN WE GET TO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, THE THE PUBLIC CAN ACTUALLY MAKE THAT COMMENT. IF, IF WE WAIT TO WHERE IT IS AN AGENDA, THERE'S NO CHANCE FOR THAT. SO, UM, IS THAT I'LL, I'LL MAKE THAT'S ACCEPTABLE TO EVERYONE. TO ME IT'S SO BY A CLAIM. WE'LL MAKE THAT CHANGE. THANK YOU. AND THEN, UM, WE HAVE SEVERAL [PROCLAMATIONS] PROCLAMATIONS TONIGHT, AND OUR FIRST PROCLAMATION TONIGHT IS REGARDING, UH, SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY. AND I'D LIKE TO INVITE MAUREEN MCCUSKER, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE PETALUMA, UH, UH, DOWN PETALUMA DOWNTOWN ASSOCIATION TO, UH, COME FORWARD AND LOOK HOW FAST SHE'S MOVING FROM THE BACK OF THE ROOM. WELCOME, MARIE. I DON'T WANT YOU TO MISS A BIT OF THIS. UH, SO WHEREAS THE CITY OF PETALUMA CELEBRATES REALLY CELEBRATES OUR LOCAL SMALL BUSINESS AND THE CONTRIBUTIONS THEY MAKE TO OUR LOCAL ECONOMY BY CREATING JOBS, SERVING OUR DIVERSE COMMUNITY, INNOVATING TO HELP SOLVE GLOBAL PROBLEMS AND LAUNCHING FUTURE GROWTH INDUSTRIES. AND WHEREAS ACCORDING TO THE UNITED STATES SMALL BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION, CALIFORNIA IS THE FIFTH LARGEST ECONOMY IN THE WORLD AND HAS MORE THAN 4.2 MILLION SMALL BUSINESSES MORE THAN ANY OTHER STATE. THERE ARE CURRENTLY 32.5 MILLION SMALL BUSINESSES IN THE UNITED STATES. SMALL BUSINESSES REPRESENT MORE THAN 99% OF COMPANIES WITH PAID EMPLOYEES AND ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR OVER 60% OF NET NEW JOBS CREATED SINCE 1995. AND WHEREAS CALIFORNIA'S SMALL BUSINESS ACCOUNTS FOR OVER [00:05:01] 99% OF TOTAL BUSINESS IN THE STATE AND EMPLOYS MORE THAN 7 MILLION PEOPLE, NEARLY HALF OF THE STATE'S PRIVATE SECTOR WORKFORCE, SMALL BUSINESSES EMPLOY 47% OF THE EMPLOYEES IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR IN THE UNITED STATES. AND 90% OF CONSUMERS SAY SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY HAS HAD A POSITIVE IMPACT IN THEIR COMMUNITIES. WHEREAS 95% OF CONSUMERS WHO SHOP ON SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY REPORTED THE DAY, MAKES THEM WANT TO SHOP MORE OR EAT AT SMALL, INDEPENDENTLY OWNED BUSINESSES ALL YEAR LONG, NOT JUST DURING THE HOLIDAY SEASON. AND WHEREAS 96% OF CONSUMERS WHO SHOPPED ON SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY AGREE THAT SHOPPING AT SMALL, INDEPENDENT OWNED BUSINESSES SUPPORTS THEIR COMMITMENT TO MAKING PURCHASES THAT HAVE A POSITIVE SOCIAL ECONOMIC AND ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT. AND 97% OF CONSUMERS WHO SHOPPED ON SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY AGREE THAT SMALL BUSINESSES ARE ESSENTIAL TO THEIR COMMUNITY. AND WHEREAS COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY HAVE ENDORSED THE SATURDAY AFTER THANKSGIVING AS SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY, NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT I, KEVIN MCDONALD, MAYOR OF PETALUMA, ALONG WITH THE MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL DO HEREBY PROCLAIM NOVEMBER 25TH, 2023 AS SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY AND URGE THE RESIDENTS OF PETALUMA AND COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESSES AND MERCHANTS ON SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY AND THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I'M SO GLAD THAT WAS SO LONG 'CAUSE I GOT MY BREATH BACK. . UM, I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE TONIGHT TO ACCEPT THIS PROCLAMATION ON BEHALF OF THE SMALL BUSINESSES IN PETALUMA AND THE DOWNTOWN ASSOCIATION. FOR MANY YEARS NOW, THE DOWNTOWN ASSOCIATION AND VISITORS PROGRAM HAVE BEEN THE CHEERLEADERS FOR SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY, APPLYING TO AMERICAN EXPRESS TO SUPPORT, UH, THE PETMAN COMMUNITY. BASICALLY, SMALL BUSINESSES ARE THE BACKBONE OF OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR DOWNTOWN. WE INVITE AND ENCOURAGE OUR LOCAL COMMUNITY, THE, AND VISITORS ALIKE, TO SHOP SMALL DURING THE HOLIDAYS ANY YEAR ROUND. BECAUSE WHEN YOU SHOP LOCALLY AND SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESSES THAT MANY RECIRCULATES HERE, IT DOESN'T GO OUTTA STATE AND IT DOESN'T GO OVERSEAS. BY SUPPORTING AND SHOPPING AT INDEPENDENT BUSINESSES, EVERYONE CAN PLAY A PART IN STRENGTHENING OUR ECONOMY AND SUPPORTING OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES. UM, WE ALWAYS DO THIS THE SATURDAY AFTER THANKSGIVING. SO JUST REMINDING YOU THAT WE WILL BE DOING, UM, SANTA WILL BE ARRIVING BY TUGBOAT THAT VERY DAY, UM, INTO THE TURNING BASIN AND INTO RIVER PLAZA, WHERE WE WILL DO ENTERTAINMENT AND PHOTOS WITH SANTA. UM, AND THEN GOING ON TO DOWNTOWN, WE'LL BE HAVING ABOUT A HUNDRED BAGS THAT WE HAND OUT FULL OF LOCAL OFFERS OF FOR FROM SMALL BUSINESSES THAT WE'RE ASKING TO GIVE US FLYERS AND THEY'LL FILL THEM UP. AND THEN YOU GO AND ENJOY YOURSELF WITH YOUR SHOPPING LIST FOR CHRISTMAS, STARTING EARLY AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR SHOPPING LOCAL AND GIFTING THOUGHTFULLY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE ALSO HAVE TODAY A PROCLAMATION FOR VETERANS DAY 2023, AND I'D LIKE TO INVITE, UH, JOE NOEL, UM, VETERAN NOR, AND, UH, HISTORY CONNECTION, PRESIDENT AND BOARD MEMBER TO BOTH THE VETERANS OF FOREIGN WAR AND THE AMERICAN LEGION, UH, RIDERS TO THE PODIUM TO ACCEPT THE PROCLAMATION, WHICH READS WHERE, WHEREAS THE CONTRIBUTIONS AND SACRIFICES OF THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO SERVED IN THE ARMED FORCES HAVE BEEN VITAL IN MAINTAINING OUR FREEDOM AND WAY OF LIFE. AND WHEREAS TENS OF MILLIONS OF AMERICANS HAVE SERVED IN THE ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES DURING THE PAST CENTURY, AND WHEREAS HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES WHILE SERVING IN THE ARMED FORCES DURING THE PAST CENTURY. AND WHEREAS OUR VETERANS ARE BRAVE AND SELFLESS INDIVIDUALS WHO, WHEN DUTY CALLED WILLINGLY, PUT THEMSELVES IN HARM'S WAY TO DEFEND THE LIVES AND LIBERTIES OF OTHERS. AND WHEREAS THEIR ABIDING PATRIOTISM AND ENDURING DEVOTION TO THE IDEALS ON WHICH THE UNITED STATES IS FOUNDED CAN NEVER FAIL TO INSPIRE US. AND WHEREAS ALL PETALUMA MUST STRIVE TO ENSURE THAT OURS REMAINS A LAND WORTHY OF THE GREAT LOVE OUR VETERANS HAVE SHOWN FOR IT. NOW, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT I, KEVIN MCDONALD, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF PETALUMA, ALONG WITH THE MEMBERS OF THE PETALUMA CITY COUNCIL, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM NOVEMBER 11TH, 2023 AS VETERANS DAY AND ENCOURAGE ALL PEOPLE IN OUR CITY TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND HONOR THE CONTRIBUTIONS OF OUR VETERANS TO THE PRINCIPLES OF DEMOCRACY, INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM AND HUMAN RIGHTS. THANK YOU. [00:10:03] UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH. JUST PERSONALLY, UM, WITH YOU, THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY OF PETALUMA, WE WOULDN'T HAVE SUCH A GREAT PARADE. AND I THINK THIS PARADE, ESPECIALLY IS UNIQUE TO PETALUMA. I MEAN, THERE'S OTHER VETERANS DAY PARADE, BUT NOT, NOT QUITE LIKE THIS ONE. IT DEFINES OUR COMMUNITY. IT REALLY SHOWS WHO WE ARE. AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY WELL RESPECTED AND APPRECIATED ALL THROUGHOUT THE BAY AREA. A SPECIAL PARADE THIS YEAR, UH, BESIDES OUR DISTINGUISHED GRAND MARSHALL, CHRIS KALINDA, HE WAS A, A COLONEL, UH, IN AFGHANISTAN, UH, 800 MEN. HE LOST SIX AND MADE IT A PERSONAL MISSION TO REPRESENT THEM AND VISIT EACH ONE OF THEIR GRAVES AND SUPPORT THEIR FAMILIES. UH, ALSO JUST AS TO TODAY, UH, LOCATED A 98 YEAR OLD WORLD WAR II VETERAN WHO LIVES HERE IN PETALUMA. UH, HE'S A NATIVE AMERICAN. HE GOES BY GROWLING BEAR MCKENZIE. UH, HE SERVED IN THE BRITISH ARMY AND WAS, UH, IN EUROPE, SERVED IN NORTH AFRICA. UH, SO HE'LL BE PRETTY CLOSE TO THE FRONT IN THE PARADE. IT'S A WELL-DESERVED HONOR FOR HIM, AND IT'S BECAUSE OF MEN AND WOMEN LIKE HIM. WE DO WHAT WE DO. AND ON VETERANS DAY, LET US REMEMBER ALL VETERANS WHO'VE SACRIFICED SO MUCH SO WE CAN BE FREE. AND I WANT TO RECOGNIZE A COUPLE OF THE MILITARY WOMEN'S GROUP HERE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR, UM, PETALUMA'S PARADE VETERANS. ALRIGHT, BEFORE WE MOVE TO THE PRESENTATION, OR AS WE MOVE TO THE PRESENTATION, I'LL NOTE AGAIN THAT, UM, COMMENTS ON THE PRESENTATION ARE WELCOME DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, WHICH IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWS. AND, UH, WE HAVE, UH, WHAT I MIGHT CALL A COMPLICATED ITEM NINE REGARDING STORY POLLS AND HOTELS. THE TOPIC IS STORY POLLS, AND THAT WILL BE WHAT IS PUBLICLY COMMENTED ON DURING THAT ITEM. IF ANYONE HAS A COMMENT ON HOTELS, THAT IS GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, WHICH WOULD BE THE EARLY THE ITEM FOLLOWING THE PRESENTATION WE'RE ABOUT TO HAVE. SO WE HAVE HAD, UM, ISSUES KEEPING OUR SPEAKERS ON TRACK, UH, PUBLIC SPEAKERS, FOCUSING THEM ON THE ITEM THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING AT THAT TIME. SO I, UH, REMIND YOU TO GET A CARD IN NOW IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK. AND THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT IS A HOTEL COMMENT. THE STORY POLLS IS FOR ITEM NUMBER NINE AS WE GET DOWN THE AGENDA. SO, UH, WITH THAT, I WOULD [PRESENTATIONS] LIKE TO INVITE, UM, UH, KEN IADT TO, UH, OUR SENIOR TRAFFIC ENGINEER TO DISCUSS MARIA DRIVE IMPROVEMENTS, THE RECYCLED WATER EXTENSION AND THE ROAD RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT. WELCOME, KEN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, MAYOR MCDONALD, COUNCIL MEMBERS, PUBLIC AND STAFF TO ALLOW ME TO PRESENT ON THE RECYCLED WATER AND PAVEMENT RECONSTRUCTION FOR MARIA DRIVE. UM, THIS PROJECT, IN PARTICULAR, THE THE CITY PUBLIC WORKS AND UTILITIES STAFF WORK VERY COLLABORATIVELY TO PUT THIS TOGETHER. AND THEN WE'VE BEEN, UM, DONE A LOT OF PUBLIC OUTREACH. SO WHAT I'M GONNA PRESENT HERE IS THE COLLABORATION, THE CUMULATION OF INPUT THAT'S BEEN RECEIVED ON THE PROJECT. SO, UM, UH, OVERVIEW. I'M GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROJECT GOALS. GIVE SOME BACKGROUND, UM, THE, UH, THE PROJECT, THE SPECIFIC PROJECT IMPROVEMENTS IN PARTICULAR, UM, THE, UM, UH, ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION. WE WILL HAVE CHELSEA THOMPSON ALSO TALK ABOUT THE RECYCLED WATER, UM, UH, THAT SHE PROJECT THAT SHE GOT REALLY INITIATED HERE ON THIS. AND THEN THE OUTREACH, UH, TO THE PUBLIC THAT WE DID. SO, PROJECT GOALS, UM, LET'S, LET'S GET A RECYCLED PIPELINE IN THERE. WE'VE GOT IT FROM SUN, SNOW MOUNTAIN PARKWAY OVER TO RAINIER. WE'RE CONTINUING THAT WORK, UM, DOWN RAINIER TO LUCCHESE PARK IN LOMA VISTA ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. AND ON THE WAY THERE, WE'RE GOING TO SOME LANDSCAPE ASSESSMENT DISTRICTS. WE'RE GONNA RESTORE THE PAVEMENT. UM, AND THEN WE'RE IMPLEMENTING SAFETY MEASURES, PEDESTRIAN BICYCLE, ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION MEASURES. SO LOOKING AT, UM, THE ROADWAY THERE, UM, IT'S GOT WHAT'S REFERRED TO AS A PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX OF BETWEEN EIGHT AND 28. IF IT WAS A HUNDRED, THAT'S A NEW PAVEMENT. SO THE PCI IS DEFINITELY RIGHT IN THE RANGE WHERE WE NEED TO DO THE RECONSTRUCTION. UM, FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT, WE'VE HAD 13 COLLISIONS. UM, THOSE HAVE BEEN PRIMARILY AT THE EAST WASHINGTON, [00:15:01] UH, CROSSING THERE. UM, WE'RE, UM, WE'VE WORKED EXTENSIVELY WITH THE SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL FOLKS AND MET WITH LOMA VISTA PRINCIPAL TWICE ON THIS PROJECT. UM, THIS IS A COLLECTOR ROADWAY, AND WE'VE GOT THE IMPROVEMENTS FROM SONOMA MOUNTAIN PARKWAY TO RAINIER. WE'RE CONTINUING THAT TO SOUTH MCDOWELL TO THE EAST SIDE TRANSIT CENTER. AND THEN FROM THERE, YOU CAN GET ACROSS MCKINSEY. IT'S NOT PART OF THE PROJECT, BUT GET ACROSS, YOU KNOW, ONTO MCKINSEY, AND THEN GET OVER TO THE FAIRGROUNDS ON THE MCKINSEY OVERCROSSING. SO, UM, AND THEN WE'RE IMPROVING THE PARKS ACCESS. SO WE'VE WORKED WITH, UH, DREW HALTER'S GROUP, UM, ON, ON DOING THAT WORK. SO THIS IS, THIS IS THE, UM, MARIA DRIVE JUST OVER ONE MILE, UH, OF ROADWAY, AGAIN, RAINIER AVENUE TO SOUTH MCDOWELL. IT'S GONNA HAVE NEW PAVEMENT 20 YEAR SURFACE. UM, AND I SAY, I, I WAS THINKING THAT PUT 20 YEARS IN THERE, BUT WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT ON THE INTERIM. YOU REALLY HAVE TO BE OUT THERE EVERY, YOU KNOW, SIX TO EIGHT YEARS MAINTAINING THAT PAVEMENT. TO GET THE FULL LIFECYCLE. WE'RE GONNA IMPROVE THE PAVEMENT AT THE DIPS THAT YOU HAVE ON MADISON AND LAUREN. UM, WE'RE GONNA UPDATE THE ROADWAY AND SIGNAGE MARKINGS. UM, WE'RE GONNA BE REDUCING ROADWAY WIDTHS TO HELP SLOW TRAFFIC, UPGRADE THE SIGNALS AND THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS, AND, AGAIN, IMPROVE THE LUCCHESE PARK AND THE LOMA VISTA, UM, ACCESS AS WELL, AS WELL AS ACCESS TO MCDOWELL, UM, ELEMENTARY. SO ON THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS, UM, WE'RE GONNA CLOSE A FEW SIDEWALK GAPS AND IMPROVE THE, THE, UH, PATH OF TRAVEL THERE FOR PEDESTRIANS. UM, WE'RE PUTTING IN OVER, OVER 40, 80 A CURB RAMPS, UH, ADA COMPLIANT CURB RAMPS, IMPROVING THE TRAIL ACCESS. WE'RE FORTUNATE. WE'VE GOT LYNCH CREEK AND WASHINGTON CREEK THAT WE'RE, WE'RE, UH, CROSSING. SO WE'RE GONNA IMPROVE THOSE ACCESS AND ACTUALLY PUT, UM, RF BS, THE RAPID RECTANGULAR FLASHING BEACONS. UM, WE HAVE, UM, 10 OF THOSE GOING IN. WE'RE PUTTING IN BIKE LANES FROM RAINIER AVENUE TO MONROE. UM, OH, THANK YOU. UM, THE, UM, UH, PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS, UM, AGAIN, REPAIR THE DAMAGED SIDEWALK. WE'RE GONNA ENHANCE THE CROSSWALKS THAT ARE IN THERE. WE HAVE 10 RR FBS, RAPID RECTANGULAR FLASHING BEACONS. WE'RE DOING BALL BOUTS, SO IF THE CURB RETURNS, WE'RE MOVING THAT CURB INTO THE ROADWAY. IT SHORTENS THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING DISTANCE, UM, AND PROVIDES MORE VISIBILITY FOR PEDESTRIANS. WE'RE IMPROVING THE SIGNAGE AND MARKINGS, UM, DOING ADA COMPLIANT, UH, STREET CORNERS. AND THEN WE'VE GOT A NEW CROSSING, NEW PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AT THE EAST SIDE TRANSIT CENTER THERE BY SAFEWAY. SO, UM, AGAIN, BALL BOUTS TO INCREASE VISIBILITY AND HELP SLOW TRAFFIC. UM, WE'RE, WE'RE ALSO GONNA BE PUTTING IN TREE WELLS AT THREE LOCATIONS, UH, UM, AT, UH, MADISON AND ON EITHER SIDE OF LAUREN. AND THEN WE'RE DOING LIGHTED PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS. WE'RE MAKING IMPROVEMENTS IN THE STREET LIGHTING. AND THEN WE'RE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, TIGHTENING THE CURB RADIUS. SO, UH, FOR BICYCLE IMPROVEMENTS, UM, WE HAVE THE, THE CROSSINGS OF LYNCH CREEK AND WASHINGTON CREEK, WHERE WE'RE INCREASING THE, THE WIDTH AND PUTTING A SIGNALED UH, CROSSING THERE. WHEN I SAY SIGNALIZE, THAT'S THE RRFB. SO YOU HAVE THE PUSH BUTTON. THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE ON EAST WASHINGTON. UM, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST HELPED TO GIVE MORE VISIBILITY TO THE USER, UH, TO THE MOTOR VEHICLES. UM, KNOW THAT THERE'S A USER TRYING TO CROSS THERE. WE'VE GOT BUFFERED BIKE LANES, AND WE WILL BE PUTTING IN K 70 ONES, THE VERTICAL ELEMENTS, SOMETIMES CALLED BOLLARDS, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR THE BUFFERED BIKE LANES. AND AGAIN, FOR BICYCLE SAFETY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO SLOW TRAFFIC, SO WE'RE NARROWING LANES, REDUCING THE CURB RADII, WHICH JUST HELPS TO SLOW THE TRAFFIC. TURNING OFF OF MARIA OR TURNING ONTO MARIA FROM THE CROSS STREETS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE GREEN BIKE BOXES AND GREEN PAINT. UM, THIS IS DONE IN CONFLICT AREAS TO GIVE MORE AWARENESS, UH, TO MOTORISTS OF OTHER USERS THERE. WITH REGARD TO THE SIGNALS, UM, AND SIGNAGE, WE'RE IMPROVING AT, UH, SOUTH MCDOWELL END, EAST WASHINGTON, PUTTING IN AUDIO, AUDIO AUDIBLE AND VIBRATION PEDESTRIAN SIGNALS. AND WE'RE RELOCATING THOSE DEVICES, UM, FOR WHERE THE CURB [00:20:01] RAMP SO THE USERS HAVE EASIER ACCESS. AND THEN WE'RE DOING WHAT'S CALLED LPI, LEADING PEDESTRIAN INTERVAL IN THE PICTURE THAT'S ON THE RIGHT THERE. SHOWS A, A STOP CONDITION FOR THE MOTOR VEHICLE TRAFFIC, BUT A, A GREEN WALK SIGNAL, SO A GREEN WALK SIGNAL FOR THE PEDESTRIAN, SO THE PEDESTRIAN CAN GET INTO THE CROSSWALK IN ADVANCE OF THE MOTOR VEHICLES. MOVING, UH, REGARDING THE LANDSCAPING, WE'VE GOT THE THREE LOCATIONS THERE THAT WE'RE GONNA BE PLANTING, UH, 10 TREES AND GREENERY. AND THIS, THIS IS TO HELP, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE FOR TRAFFIC CALMING, JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TEXTURE ALONG THE EDGE. MANY OF THE ROADWAYS IN PETALUMA ARE JUST KIND OF WIDE EXPANSES OF ASPHALT, BUT IF WE CAN GIVE SOME NARROWNESS TO 'EM AND PROVIDING FOR SOME GREENERY, UM, THAT'S A, THAT'S A WIN-WIN. AND THERE'S ALSO A, YOU KNOW, A BENEFIT FROM CLIMATE RESILIENCY FOR, UM, IMPROVING THE TREE CANOPY AND THE AESTHETICS. SO, AND WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO TURN THIS NEXT SLIDE ON THE URBAN RECYCLED WATER PIPELINE EXTENSIONS OVER TO CHELSEA THOMPSON. THANKS, KEN. SO THE CITY OF PETALUMA RECEIVED TWO GRANTS FOR THE URBAN RECYCLED WATER EXPANSION PROJECT OFF MARIA DRIVE IN 2022. UH, LAST YEAR WE RECEIVED $800,000 FROM RECLAMATION THROUGH N-V-W-R-A. AND A FEW MONTHS AGO, THE PALAMA VALLEY GROUNDWATER SUSTAINABILITY AGENCY RECEIVED 2.6 MILLION FROM DWIS SIG IMPLEMENTATION FUNDING FOR THE CITY'S URBAN RECYCLED WATER PROJECT. SO THE MARIA, UH, DRIVE RECYCLED WATER PROJECT INCLUDES ADDING THREE SECTIONS OF RECYCLED WATER PIPELINE FOR A TOTAL OF 6,700 FEET OFF MARIA DRIVE. THE PROJECT WILL SERVE RECYCLED WATER FOR LANDSCAPE IRRIGATION TO AN ADDITIONAL EIGHT PARKS, TWO SCHOOL, TWO BUSINESS PARKS, AND SIX LEDS. THE SECTION OF THE PIPELINE THAT WILL BE INSTALLED AS PART OF THE MARIA DRIVE PAVEMENT RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT IS A SECTION SHOWN ON THE MAP CIRCLED IN RED, WHICH GOES FROM RAINIER TO LA CASEY. THIS FIRST SECTION OF PIPELINE WILL SERVE BLUE CASEY PARK, LOMA LOMA VISTA ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, AND TWO LANDSCAPE ASSESSMENT DISTRICTS. AND THE REMAINING TWO SECTIONS OF PIPELINE OFF OF MARIA, UM, WILL BE INSTALLED FOLLOWING THE, THE MARIA PAVEMENT PROJECT AND ARE ALSO SHOWN ON THIS MAP, THE EXTENSION SHOWN FROM RAINIER AVENUE TO DEER CREEK VILLAGE WILL SERVE DEER CREEK VILLAGE FOR LANDSCAPE IRRIGATION AND WILL PROVIDE, UM, AN AVENUE FOR FUTURE EXPANSION OF THE SYSTEM. AND THE EXTENSION SHOWN TO THE NORTH WILL GO FROM MARIA DRIVE TO REASONING ROAD, AND THAT WILL SERVE SEVERAL LANDSCAPE ASSESSMENT DISTRICTS, AS WELL AS CREATE A LOOP SYSTEM UP TO MOUNTAIN PARKWAY. WHEN THE THREE EXTENSIONS ARE COMPLETE, THE PROJECT WILL DELIVER ABOUT 66 ACRE FEET OF BEER, RECYCLED WATER FOR LANDSCAPE IRRIGATION, WHICH WILL ALSO SERVE AS PORTABLE WATER OFFSET. THANK YOU, THEN. OKAY. AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH CHELSEA. UM, AND THIS HAS BEEN A, A VERY, UH, GOOD PROJECT FROM A COLLABORATION STANDPOINT. I SHOULD ALSO MENTION THAT WE'VE REPLACED WATER LATERALS. IT'S ACTUALLY ONGOING RIGHT NOW, AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF ALL THE SUBSURFACE ELEMENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT DIGGING UP NEW PAVEMENT ANYTIME SOON. SO, UM, WITH REGARD TO THE OUTREACH, WE'VE HAD A WEBPAGE UP, WHICH IS A COMMENT FORM AND, AND SIGN UP FOR INFORMATION. WE HAD A COMMUNITY, UH, WORKSHOP AT THE, TOWARDS THE END OF LAST YEAR. WE HAD AN INITIAL PAC MEETING, UH, IN MAY WE COLLECTED INPUT, AND THEN WE PRESENTED BOTH TO PAC AND TO THE TREE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, UM, ON NOVEMBER 1ST. AND THEN SOMETHING THAT'S AAAA WEALTH OF INFORMATION IS OUR LOCAL ROAD SAFETY PLAN. SO WE ALWAYS GO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. THAT'S RELATIVELY RECENT DONE IN 2022. AND THERE WAS INFORMATION THAT HELPED GUIDE THE PROJECT. SO SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED FROM, UM, YOU KNOW, PAC AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS IS IMPROVE THE BIKE FACILITY. SO WE'VE ADDED BUFFERED BIKE LANES AND GREEN PAINT AT CONFLICT ZONES. UM, WE'VE PUT A, UH, PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AT THE TRANSIT CENTER, UM, IN THE LO LOCAL ROAD SAFETY PLAN. UM, ADDITIONAL CROSSINGS WERE REQUESTED ON LAUREN DRIVE. THERE WAS ONLY ONE THERE. WE'VE ADDED TWO ADDITIONAL PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS. AND THEN, UH, REMOVING OBSTACLES IN THE NARROW, UH, SIDEWALKS. WE HAVE, WE'VE ADDED FULL ADA COMPLIANT WITH SIDEWALKS, [00:25:01] TYPICALLY, UM, FIVE FEET. WE'D PREFER SIX FEET, BUT, UH, WE'VE TRIED TO MAKE THAT AS WIDE AS WE CAN. AND THEN, UM, ADDING, ADDING SIDEWALKS AND REDUCING TRIP FALL HAZARDS BY REPLACING SIDEWALKS. UM, AND THEN WITH REGARD TO THE DIPS IN THE ROAD, THOSE ARE CHALLENGES FOR PEOPLE WITH, WITH MOBILITY, UH, ISSUES. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE EXTENDED THE, THE, UM, UM, THE LANDINGS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE RAMPS INTO THE ROADWAY TO HELP WITH THAT CONDITION AND REDUCE, MAKE SURE THAT THE PATH TO TRAVEL FOR SOMEBODY THAT NEEDS TO ROLL, UM, WHETHER IN A WHEELCHAIR OR, OR OR SUCH, UM, HAS, HAS, HAS A, HAS A GOOD PATH TO TRAVEL TO DO THAT WITH MINIMAL CROSS SLOPE. SO, UM, AND THEN ON THE WEBPAGE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE TRAFFIC CALL BEING PROVIDED BY THE DIPS IS APPRECIATED. SOMEBODY SAID THAT. AND WE'VE, WE'VE IMPROVED THE MARKINGS ON THOSE THAT FOLLOW THE MANUAL, UH, MANUAL ON UNIFORM TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES. UM, THIS IS WHAT WE DID ON, ON I STREET. UM, SO GIVING SIGNAGE AND MARKINGS TO MAKE THOSE DIPS MORE VISIBLE AT MADISON AND L AND THEN PRES, IT WAS REQUESTED TO PRESERVE ON STREET PARKING, AND WE'VE DONE THAT ON THE PROJECT. UM, THERE IS A FEW AREAS WHERE FOR THE, UH, THE GREENERY AND THE TREE PLACEMENTS THAT WE HAVE HAD TO REMOVE THREE PARKING SPACES. WE'VE ALSO TRIED TO DAYLIGHT THE CURB, SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE PEDESTRIANS ARE VISIBLE. SO WE'VE, WE'VE, YOU KNOW, PUT IN RED CURB IN AREAS TO ALLOW FOR THAT, UM, SO THAT YOU CAN SEE PEOPLE CROSSING THE ROADWAY. AND THEN AGAIN, UH, DIFFICULT TO SEE AROUND BUSES AT THE EAST SIDE TRANSIT CENTER WHERE WE'VE ADDED A, A, UH, LIGHTED PEDESTRIAN CROSSING IN THAT AREA. UM, THE, UM, THE LAST MEETING THAT WE'VE HAD, UH, THIS NOVEMBER 1ST MEETING WITH PBAT TREE ADVISORY, WE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE RECOMMENDED FOR TREE REPLACE, UM, RECOMMENDED FOR TREE INSTALLATION, THE WESTERN RED BUD AND THE, UM, AGRI FOLIA, THE, THE, UH, COAST LIVE OAK. AND WE'RE GONNA GO BACK AND, AND GET, UM, YOU KNOW, REFINED THE, THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WITH, WITH WHAT THE TREE ADVISORY COMMITTEE WOULD LIKE. AND THEN THE BIKE LANE BUFFERS, WE'VE, UH, PUT IN, UM, YOU KNOW, 52 K 70 ONES, UM, IN, IN THE, WITHIN THE BUFFER WHERE IT'S, WHERE IT'S, UH, DOABLE. ON THE PROJECT THAT WENT IN. THERE WAS ALSO DISCUSSION ON BIOSWALE SOIL TESTING, UM, DIFFERENT TREE SPECIES SELECTION, PARKING, PUBLIC ART, UH, THE PEDESTRIAN FLAG PROGRAM, UM, THE EAST SIDE TRANSIT CENTER CROSSWALK LOCATION, AND, UM, ESPLANADE TREES FOR THE SOUND WALL IN EAST WASHINGTON. AND THEN, UH, DISCUSSION WITH REGARD TO TREE MAINTENANCE BY CITY OR PROPERTY OWNERS. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE POINTS ON THAT NOVEMBER 1ST, UH, JOINT MEETING. SO WHERE ARE WE RIGHT NOW? WELL, WE'RE, UM, THE, THE PROJECT IS OUT TO BID. WE'RE HOPING FOR CONSTRUCTION STARTING IN SPRING OF 2024 AND WITH COMPLETION IN FALL OF 2024 OF NEXT YEAR. SO WITH THAT, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND, UH, WELCOME. ANY COMMENTS YOU MAY HAVE, I'LL BRING IT BACK UP TO COUNCIL FOR, UH, UM, ANY, UH, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. AND THE VICE MAYOR, UM, I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE PARK PLACE. CONDOS ARE, CAN THEY RECEIVE RECYCLED WATER? THEY HAVE A HUGE AREA AND A LOT OF LAWN. RIGHT. UM, AND THAT, THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE A CHELSEA THOMPSON QUESTION, BUT I'LL JUST SAY THE, THE, THE 12 INCH, YOU KNOW, RECYCLED WATER LINE THAT WE'RE PICKING UP FROM, UM, FROM RAINIER IS GONNA GO TO LOMA VISTA SCHOOL AND LUCCHESE PARK. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING, UH, CHELSEA? YEAH, THE PARK PLACE CONDOS AND I, I'D HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK, BUT I'M, I'M PRETTY SURE THEY'RE ON GROUNDWATER FOR THEIR IRRIGATION. AND I DO UNDERSTAND THAT WE GET A LOT OF OF WATER WASTE COMING FROM THE, THE LANDSCAPE, UM, FROM THAT AREA. BUT I DO THAT THEY'RE ON, THEY USE FOR IRRITATION, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT ADDING THEM, UM, TO RECYCLED WATER. THAT WOULD BE GREAT, AT LEAST TO CONNECT WITH THEM BECAUSE IT'S AN, A HUGE AMOUNT OF LAWN IN THIS COMPLEX. A LAWN. IT'S, YEAH. YEAH. AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, UM, I'M GLAD THE DIPS IN THE ROAD ARE GONNA GET BETTER, WHICH IS FANTASTIC. AND I JUST WANNA BRING UP, UM, CAROL BROCKO USED TO COME TO COUNCIL MEETINGS. WE GO TOGETHER AND WE HAVE MORE PICTURES OF THIS STREET AND WHY IT NEEDED [00:30:01] TO BE REPAIRED. 'CAUSE SHE WAS IN A WHEELCHAIR, SO SHE'S NO LONGER WITH US. MM-HMM. . BUT I'M SURE SHE'S SMILING ABOUT THIS . SO THANK YOU, UM, FOR THIS IMPORTANT, UM, IMPROVEMENT ON MARIA DRIVE AND COMPLETING IT ALL THE WAY TO WASHINGTON STREET. MM-HMM. EXCUSE COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE. UH, YEP. I HEARD THIS THE OTHER NIGHT, SO I'M NOT GONNA KEEP MY COMMENTS BRIEF. UM, I JUST WANT TO, UM, REALLY EMPHASIZE THAT THE CROSSWALK AT THE EAST SIDE TRANSIT CENTER IS GONNA MAKE A HUGE IMPROVEMENT FOR SAFETY IN THAT AREA. UM, AND THEN JUST ENCOURAGE, UM, THE K 70 ONES ARE GREAT, BUT IT WOULD BE, UM, THIS IS A PERMANENT INSTALLATION, SO IF WE CAN, UM, INSTALL SOME PERMANENT CONCRETE STUFF THERE TO ACTUALLY PROTECT BIKERS AND NOT JUST GIVE THE ILLUSION, THAT WOULD BE GREAT TOO. SO, THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER. NOW, UM, THANK YOU STAFF FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU PUT INTO THIS. I NEED, UM, A TRANSLATION FOR TIGHTENED CURB RADIUS. I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT TERM. OKAY. UM, LET'S SEE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE A GOOD EXAMPLE HERE. SO, SO WHEN, UM, TWO STREETS INTER INTERSECT, UM, THAT INTERSECTION WHERE THE, THE CURB IS, IS CURVED. THAT'S, THAT'S THE CURB RADIUS. THAT'S THE CURB RADII. SO IT'S WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE A, UH, PEDESTRIAN WOULD, WOULD BE CROSSING THERE. AND MANY, MANY STREETS IN PETALUMA ARE, THEY HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A 50 FOOT RADIUS, MEANING THAT THEY, THEY'RE VERY GRADUAL. SO YOU CAN BE GOING KIND OF FULL SPEED WHEN YOU MAKE THE TURN. YOU DON'T REALLY NEED TO SLOW DOWN. AND THAT'S NOT CONDUCIVE TO MAKING SURE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE VEHICLE OPERATOR CAN, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY SEE WHAT THEY'RE TURNING ONTO. YOU WANT THEM TO, TO REALLY SLOW DOWN AND EXECUTE THE TURN AT A SLOWER SPEED TO SEE WHAT ARE THE CONDITIONS ON, ON THIS ADJOINING ROAD. SO IS THAT, THAT HELPING DON'T LOOK, YOU LOOK PUZZLED. YEAH, WELL, ESPECIALLY IN MARIA BECAUSE THERE IS SO MANY, UM, BETWEEN THE SCHOOL AND, AND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET IS THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB, AND THEN YOU HAVE CONSTANT SPORTS. YEAH, I, I, YOU KNOW, EVENTS GOING ON. SO I ACTUALLY TRAVEL MARIA A LOT FROM MY HOME TO MEADOW SCHOOL. AND IT'S, IT'S, YOU JUST KIND OF, I GO VERY SLOWLY 'CAUSE I NEVER KNOW WHEN SOMEONE'S GONNA POP OUT BETWEEN CARS AND CROSS THE STREET. SO THANKS FOR THAT EXPLANATION. THE OTHER ONE WAS THIS K DASH 71. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT. YEAH, SO, SO THE KK 70 ONES, UM, THESE ARE VERTICAL ELEMENTS THAT YOU, YOU CAN CURRENTLY SEE ON NORTH MCDOWELL. AND, UM, THEY'VE, THEY'RE KIND OF LIKE THE NEXT GENERATION. THEY SEEM TO HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF, OF UH, UM, YOU KNOW, WEAR AND TEAR THAT CAN BE IMPOSED ON THEM. AND THEY DON'T, UM, THEY, THEY, THEY HAVEN'T, HAVEN'T BEEN PROBLEMATIC, UM, AS FOR US YET, AND IN ANOTHER INSTALLATION. SO IT'S KIND OF THE, THIS IS THE LATEST, GREATEST THING THAT MUNICIPALITIES ARE USING TO PROVIDE FOR SOME SEPARATION BETWEEN THE, YOU KNOW, VEHICULAR TRAFFIC AND, AND, UH, BIKE FACILITY. SO, SO THIS IS, WE HAVE 'EM, THEY'RE GREEN UP ON, ON NORTH MCDOWELL. OKAY. THANKS FOR THAT EXPLANATION. UM, CONSTRUCTION, I WOULD JUST KIND OF LIKE SUGGEST THAT YOU LOOK AT SUMMER FOR MAJOR CON UH, CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE IT IS VERY WELL TRAVELED DURING THE SCHOOL YEAR AND SCHOOL GETS OUT IN MAY. SO JUST FYI ON THAT, UM, THE, WE'RE TAKING THE DIPS OUT 'CAUSE THAT ACTUALLY SLOWS THE TR NO, NO. OKAY. NO, NO. OKAY. 'CAUSE THAT SLOWS THE TRAFFIC DOWN. THAT DOES. I WAS CONFUSED. YEAH, YEAH. THEY'RE GONNA BE, NO, WE ARE NOT TAKING THEM OUT AND, AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY, I THINK WILL WORK REALLY WELL. THAT AREA OF PETALUMA IS A BIT OF A CHALLENGE FROM FLOODING AND WE CAN'T REALLY CHANGE THE STREET GRADES, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR. KEEP THE, THE HYDRAULICS. YEAH. UM, THE SAME TO WHAT WE HAVE THERE NOW. AND SO, BUT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE, WE'RE NARROWING THE LANES, UM, WITH PAINT, YOU KNOW, TO 10 FEET. AND THEN WE'RE PROVIDING FOR GRADATION MARKINGS, WHICH ARE A MEANS TO GIVE, GIVE A VISUAL SENSE TO THE DRIVER AS THEY APPROACH THAT THIS, THIS IS GONNA BE UP THERE AS WELL AS SIGNAGE. AND THIS IS ALL M SO THEY DON'T TRY TAKING IN AT 30 MILES AN HOUR FROM WASHINGTON STREET. NO, THEY SHOULDN'T, THEY SHOULDN'T BE DOING THAT. YEAH. IT'S FUN TO WATCH PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW IT. SO, ANYWAY, THANK YOU. YEAH, YOU'RE WELCOME. THAT'S ALL. [00:35:01] THANK YOU. AND WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO COMMEND THE COUNCILWOMAN FOR DRIVING SLOW . I MEAN, I THINK THAT GRANDKIDS, I THINK THAT'S THE MODEL WE SHOULD ALL BE LOOKING FOR. I MEAN, AND THAT'S WHY THE NEW SLOW, THE FAST DOWN CAMPAIGN IN TOWN IS 'CAUSE TOO MANY PEOPLE DRIVE TOO FAST. SO, UH, I DID WANNA ASK, DO WE HAVE A, UH, TOTAL PROJECT COST HERE THAT YOU, DID YOU DROP THAT INTO THE CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW WITH 10% CONTINGENT CONTINGENCY? IT'S 1.1 FOR THE RECYCLED WATER AND 4.4 MILLION FOR THE, UM, UH, FOR THE, THE, UH, ROADWAY RECONSTRUCTION. SO IT'S A TOTAL OF JUST, JUST OVER 5.2 MILLION WITH 10% CONTINGENCY. AND OUR PAVING BUDGET GOES PRETTY FAST, DOESN'T IT? 25 MILLION OF BEAUTIFUL MEASURE U DOLLARS GO GO VERY QUICK. IT'S, YEAH. AND, UH, I'D LIKE TO COMMEND STAFF ON, UH, UM, UH, MAKING EACH PROJECT BETTER AND BETTER AND, AND, UH, PAYING, UH, PUTTING MORE FOCUS ON OUR, UH, SAFE STREETS CONCEPT. OUR COMPLETE STREET CONCEPT. UH, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT WHAT'S BEEN DONE ON GARFIELD AND EVERYBODY SHOULD DRIVE GARFIELD FOR, UH, WHAT AN EXAMPLE IT IS IN THIS ONE WILL BE EVEN BETTER. UM, I DO NOTICE THAT THE CORNERS, UM, YOU'RE HOLDING, UH, PARKING BACK A LITTLE BIT FROM THE CORNERS AS WELL FOR BETTER SIGHT LINE. WE ARE. AND AND THAT'S ACTUALLY A STATE MANDATE. THERE IS AN ASSEMBLY BILL ON THAT. SO, UH, AS A PET AND BIKER, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE ALL THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. AND, UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION TONIGHT. AND I'M SURE THERE'LL BE QUESTIONS IN THE GENERAL COMMENT AREA. AH, THERE HE IS. GOOD EVENING. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER SHRIVES, DID YOU WISH TO COMMENT? JUST A COUPLE MINUTES. UM, THANK YOU. THE, UM, I KNOW I LIVE RIGHT NEAR THERE AND, UH, SO I HAVE, WHEN I FIRST ARRIVED, I DIDN'T KNOW. AND SO I BOTTOMED OUT MY CAR SEVERAL TIMES BEFORE I LEARNED. SO, UM, THE DIPS, HOPEFULLY WE WILL STILL THERE, BUT DEFINITELY EVEN GOING AT 15 MILES AN HOUR, IT, IT WILL RUIN YOUR, THE SPRINGS ON YOUR CAR. UM, SO I APPRECIATE THAT. IF, IF THERE WAS ANYTHING TO DO. I KNEW THE WATER MOVEMENT DOWN THERE WHEN THEY REDID IT 30 YEARS AGO AND THE PAVING, THEY ACTUALLY GOT THE DIP DIPS ACTUALLY GOT DEEPER BECAUSE THEY PUT THE PAVING ASPHALT ON TOP OF WHEREAS, BUT IF THAT COULD BE SMOOTHED OUT JUST EVEN A LITTLE BIT. MM-HMM, YOU'LL STILL BOTTOM OUT. UM, THE, UM, I THOUGHT I'D JUST ASK ON, UH, SOME OF THE, UM, ESTIMATES OF COSTS AND WAY TO COMPARE. SO THERE'S TWO, TWO THINGS I'D LIKE TO JUST HAVE DISCUSSED OR COMPARE. UM, 'CAUSE WE'RE DOING A LOT OF EXTRAS HERE, PUTTING IN THE BIKE LANES AND, AND PUTTING IN THE WATER. IF WE WERE JUST DOING THIS LIKE A NORMAL PAVEMENT JOB AND JUST RUN DOWN THE STREET FOR THIS MILE, UH, WITHOUT DOING ALL THE EXTRAS, WHICH WE REALLY DO NEED. BUT, UH, JUST SO THAT WE KNOW THE COST OF DOING IT THE RIGHT WAY, UM, WHAT WOULD BE THE COST DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JUST DOING THE PAVING WITH MAYBE THE WATER EDITING BUT JUST DOING ALL THE EXTRAS, THE TREES, THE BULB BOUTS, THE, THE UM, EXTRA LIGHTS AND EVERYTHING. WHAT'S THE ADDITIONAL COST OF DOING ALL THAT? UM, WITHOUT GOING RIGHT INTO THE, THE COST ESTIMATE ON IT, UM, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY, UM, WE'RE SEEING 20 TO 30% IS RELATED TO THAT. OKAY, GOOD. SO FOR A ONE MILE ROAD, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ABOUT A, A A $5 MILLION FRONT, FRONT END FOR THAT MILE ROAD AND 20% TO 30% JUST FOR THE EXTRAS. THAT'S ACTUALLY A PRETTY GOOD VALUE. I WAS, WAS THINKING ABOUT, I WAS HOPING, I WAS AFRAID IT MIGHT BE UP TO 50%, BUT JUST 20% THAT THAT'S A REASONABLE AMOUNT. UM, AND IF WE LOOK AT, JUST SO THE PUBLIC KNOWS ABOUT THE COST OF DOING THIS ON A PER HOUSE KNOWS WE'RE PAYING OUR TAXES, PROPERTY TAXES, SO ON A COST PER HOUSE, IS THERE AN ESTIMATE OF, UM, WHAT THIS MIGHT BE JUST FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IF WE WERE TO DO ALL THE ROADS LIKE THIS SO WE KIND OF KNEW IF WE DID THE WHOLE CITY LIKE THIS? MM-HMM. , UM, JUST SO WE UNDERSTAND THE, THE VALUE THAT OF WHAT WE'RE GETTING HERE. YEAH. UH, IS THERE A CUSTOMER BECAUSE THERE ISN'T THAT MANY HOUSES JUST RIGHT ON THAT STREET AS COMPARED TO JUST ON, UH, JUST LATERALS TO IT. I, YEAH, I WOULDN'T PERSONALLY, I WOULDN'T LOOK AT IT COST PER HOUSE. 'CAUSE IT'S A CONNECTOR ROADWAY, SO IT'S NOT AN ARTERIAL LIKE NORTH MCDOWELL OR YOU KNOW, PETALUMA BOULEVARD SOUTH, BUT IT'S A CONNECTOR ROADWAY. SO IT HAS HIGHER, HIGHER, UH, ADT AVERAGE DAILY TRAFFIC. AND WE'RE RUNNING, UM, SIX TO 8,000 VEHICLES A DAY. AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE HOUSES THAT ARE, THE RESIDENCE IS ON IT, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, RELATED TO THE, YOU KNOW, BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB AND GOING TO LUCCHESE PARK FOR A SOCCER OR FOR SOCCER GAME OR A BASEBALL MATCH OR GETTING TO LOMA VISTA. SO I I, I APPRECIATE AND UNDERSTAND YOUR, YOUR LINE OF THINKING ON IT, BUT I'M NOT SURE I WOULD SELL IT QUITE THAT WAY 'CAUSE IT'S, YEAH, I'VE [00:40:01] USED BY EVERYBODY . OKAY. YEAH. JUST SO THAT FOLKS KNOW THAT WITH THE PROPERTY TAX THAT WE'RE PAYING, BUT EVENTUALLY ALL THAT MONEY COMES BACK AND THAT THIS IS A PRETTY EXPENSIVE FOR ONE MILE THAT'S STILL A PRETTY HIGH PRICE, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY WORTH IT, UM, FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING. AND, AND IF WE DO MORE OF THESE AROUND TOWN THAT WE SHOULDN'T WORRY TOO MUCH ABOUT THE COSTS IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT. UM, THAT IS, THAT IS A GOOD VALUE WHAT WE'RE DOING, UH, TO ADDED THESE ALL IN. UM, EVEN THOUGH IT IS A FAIRLY HIGH COST ON OUR, MAYBE ON A PERSONAL PER HOUSE OR PER NEIGHBORHOOD BASIS. UM, THEN THE LAST ONE WOULD BE, UM, OH, I APPRECIATE, I DID WATCH THE, UH, THE SESSION WITH THE, UM, THAT YOU HAD THE OTHER MEETING AND, AND DEFINITELY THE RED BUDS OR, UH, WOULD BE A PROBLEM. 'CAUSE THEY TEND TO TURN INTO SHRUBS. THEY'RE TOO, AND SO YOU NEED SOMETHING THAT'S, UM, A THIN, TALL SINGLE STEM OR JUST SHORT SHRUB. SO I'D, SO I AGREE THAT THE RED BUDS MAY NOT BE THE APPROPRIATE AND THAT YOU MAY WANNA LOOK AT OTHER THINGS, UH, FOR THAT. AND I THINK YOU WERE OFFERED SOME HELP FOR THAT. THERE'S SOME ACTUAL, UM, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS OUT WHO VOLUNTEERED TO HELP YOU OUT. SO I THINK YOU'RE GONNA BE DOING THAT. UM, AND THEN, UH, THE, WE'VE HAD SOME, UH, COMMENTS ABOUT IF WE'RE GONNA DO THIS MUCH WORK AND WE'RE PUTTING THE WATER UNDERGROUND, UM, AND WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RIP UP THE ROAD, ARE WE ALSO, AND I KNOW THERE'S LOTS OF WIRES ABOVE HEAD, UM, UP AND DOWN THIS WHOLE NEIGHBORHOODS AREAS. IS THERE ANY ADVANTAGE TO EVEN LOOKING AT THE WIRES, WHETHER IT BE THE TELECOM OR ELECTRICAL, TO GET THOSE UNDERGROUND WHILE WE'RE DOING THIS? IS THERE ANY VALUE OF THAT OR YOU, OR SEWERS I OR THAT ALL BEEN COVERED AND THAT, THAT QUESTION COMES UP A LOT AND I JUST, I DON'T THINK I'M THE QUALIFIED PERSON TO ANSWER THAT. UM, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE EVERYTHING UNDERGROUND. UM, BUT UM, THAT'S JUST NOT THE, THE REALITY OR THE ECONOMICS THAT ARE AT PLAY. AND I'M NOT, UM, I'M JUST AN ENGINEER. YEAH. SO , RIGHT? BUT IT'S JUST A SINGLE ROAD. AND SO, UM, IF YOU DID THE WHOLE AREA, THAT WOULD BE ONE THING, BUT JUST A SINGLE ROAD, JUST SO THAT, UH, ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT FOLKS ASKED ABOUT GETTING WIRES AND, UM, UNDERGROUND AND IF THERE'S ANY, IS THERE ANY WATER PIPES THAT, UH, COULD BE REPLACED AT THIS TIME AS FAR AS THE SEWER OR WATER LINES? ARE THEY ALL WE'VE, WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN DOING THAT. UM, I SHOULD, I SHOULD MENTION THAT, UH, WE HAVE, WE HAVE REPLACED LATERALS ON ALL THAT. AND CERTAINLY THE, AND I, AND JUST TO GO BACK TO THE UTILITY UNDERGROUND, I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT. IT'S, 'CAUSE IT GETS ASKED A LOT AND I'M NOT SURE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, HAVE THE BEST, THE BEST ANSWER FOR THAT. UM, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE WORKING, I KNOW PG E WANTS TO UNDERGROUND ON, ON BODEGA AVENUE AND THERE IS, YOU KNOW, MOVEMENT IT'S, YOU KNOW, OFF IN THE FUTURE 'CAUSE IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE. BUT THERE IS MOVEMENT TO DO THAT. SO, YEAH. OKAY. GOOD. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. AND I'D HATE TO LEAVE YOUR QUESTIONS UNANSWERED AND PENDING IN PUBLIC VIEW, AND I KNOW STAFF WILL CHASE, BUT AS AN ENGINEER HAS DONE UNDERGROUND DISTRICTS, I CAN TELL YOU THE COST OF UNDERGROUNDING IS MORE THAN THE COMBINED COST OF PAVING AND UTILITY WORKS. AND THE TIMEFRAME IS PROBABLY TRIPLE THE TIMEFRAME THAT IS NEEDED FOR THE WATER AND PAVING TO DO THE UTILITY, THE, UH, DRY UTILITY OF THE CALL. SO, UM, AND UH, THE FUNDING FOR THAT IS FROM THE AGENCIES WHO ARE NOT PUTTING MONEY INTO PETALUMA AT THIS TIME. SO, UH, COST SCHEDULE AND, UM, AND SOURCE WOULD ALL BE PROHIBITIVE FOR PETALUMA. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER COST YOU MENTIONED WAS, UM, HOW MUCH THIS STREET FOR THESE HOUSES. AND I WOULD LOVE STAFF TO HAVE A REPORT SHOWING THE TOTAL, UH, NEED IN PETALUMA, THE MILES TOTAL. MAYBE THIS IS ONE MILE AND WE HAVE 180 MILES OF, OF STREETS IN THE SAME CONDITION. AND IF THIS IS $4 MILLION FOR ONE OF 180, WE NEED AND DIVIDE THAT BY 20,000 HOUSES IN TOWN. YOU COME UP WITH A REAL SCARY BALLPARK FIGURE FOR HOW FAR IN THE HOLE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS IN THIS TOWN AND WHY WE HAVE TO BE SO CAREFUL WITH ALL OUR MONEY TO GET THE BEST, UM, FOR THE PEOPLE, THE SAFEST STREETS, BUT ALSO STREETS GETTING DONE. SO THOSE ARE GREAT QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR, UH, PRESENTATION TONIGHT. AND I HOPE YOU'LL, UM, UM, LISTEN IN FOR ANY QUESTIONS THE PUBLIC MAY HAVE, THOUGH YOU WON'T BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO REPLY AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO, UM, MOVING INTO OUR, UH, GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE EVENING, UM, I REMIND FOLKS IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK, THERE'S A CARD, UM, DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON ITEMS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THAT ARE WITHIN THE CITY COUNCIL'S SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION AND, AND THAT ARE NOT LISTED ON THE CURRENT AGENDA. PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON, AND DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF PERSONS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL, TIME WILL BE ALLOCATED IN EQUAL SHARES TOTALING NO MORE THAN 20 MINUTES. UM, IS THERE ANYTHING OUR CITY ATTORNEY WOULD LIKE TO ADD FOR THE EVENING? UM, I HAVE SOME PRELIMINARY REMARKS I CAN ADD MR. MAYOR, TO REMIND FOLKS ABOUT THE NATURE OF, OF, OF WHAT KIND OF FORM THAT OUR MEETINGS ARE, UM, [00:45:01] AND HOW WE ARE PREPARED TO MANAGE THAT TO MAKE SURE WE GET THE PUBLIC'S BUSINESS DONE. IF IT, IF IT'S OKAY. YEAH. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD IDEA TO CLARIFY THEN FOR US. THANK YOU. SO, UM, SO JUST AS A REMINDER TO, TO FOLKS IN VIEW OF DISRUPTIONS THAT HAVE RECENTLY OCCURRED AT LOCAL GOVERNMENT PUBLIC MEETINGS, I'D LIKE TO REMIND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, UM, ATTENDING TONIGHT'S COUNCIL MEETING THAT CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS AND OTHER PETALUMA BROWN ACT BODY MEETINGS ARE LIMITED PUBLIC FORUMS. THAT MEANS THAT THE RIGHT OF THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK IS LIMITED IN COMPARISON TO THE PUBLIC'S RIGHT TO SPEAK IN A TRADITIONAL OR DESIGNATED FORM SUCH AS A CITY PARK OR SIDEWALK. PUBLIC COMMENTS AT MEETINGS OF PETALUMA BROWN ACT BODIES LIKE THE CITY COUNCIL ARE LIMITED TO COMMENTS AS THE MAYOR JUST NOTED ON TOPICS WITHIN THE LEGISLATIVE BODIES SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AND TO COMMENTS PERTINENT TO AGENDA ITEMS DURING PUBLIC COMMENT ON THOSE AGENDA ITEMS. THE BROWN ACT, THE CALIFORNIA OPEN MEETING LAW GOVERNING MOST LOCAL GOVERNMENTS PERMITS THESE LIMITS ON PUBLIC PARTICIPATION SO THAT GOVERNMENT BODIES CAN EFFECTIVELY CONDUCT THE PUBLIC'S BUSINESS. THESE LIMITS ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE US AND CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTIONS CONCERNING LIMITED PUBLIC FORUM SUCH AS CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS. WITH THE MAYOR'S PERMISSION, I WILL ASSIST HIM IN IDENTIFYING PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT ARE NOT WITHIN THE CITY COUNCIL SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION OR PERTINENT TO AN AGENDA ITEM TO HELP US EFFICIENTLY CONDUCT THE BUSINESS ON TONIGHT'S CITY COUNCIL AGENDA WITHOUT DISRUPTION. IF A SPEAKER'S COMMENTS ARE NOT ON TOPICS WITHIN THE COUNCIL'S SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION OR NOT PERTINENT TO AN AGENDA ITEM BEING DISCUSSED, I'LL ASK THE MODERATOR, MODERATOR TO MUTE THE SPEAKER SO I CAN REMIND THE SPEAKER TO LIMIT THEIR COMMENTS AS REQUIRED. IF THE SPEAKER FAILS AFTER A REMINDER TO LIMIT THEIR COMMENTS, I'LL SUGGEST THAT THE MODERATOR PERMIT THE NEXT SPEAKER TO TO SPEAK. THE BROWN ACT DOES NOT REQUIRE MEM UH, PERMITTING MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT FROM A REMOTE LOCATION, EXCEPT WHEN A LEGISLATIVE BODY MEMBER IS ALSO PERMIT PARTICIPATING REMOTELY, THE CITY HAS FOR THE TIME BEING SUSPENDED, THE OPPORTUNITY FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO GIVE REMOTE PUBLIC COMMENTS TO AVOID FURTHER DISRUPTIONS OF CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS FROM REMOTE LOCATIONS. I HOPE MY COMMENTS TONIGHT ARE HELPFUL REMINDERS FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. ATTENDING TONIGHT'S CITY COUNCIL MEETING IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS ABOUT THE RULES GOVERNING PUBLIC PARTICIPATION IN CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS, THE CITY COUNCIL AND STAFF ARE COMMITTED TO PROTECTING THE PUBLIC'S RIGHT TO PARTICIPATED IN CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS, AND AT THE SAME SAME TIME ENSURING THAT THE PUBLIC'S BUSINESS IS EFFECTIVELY AND SAFELY CARRIED OUT. THE CITY COUNCIL MAY PERIODICALLY REVISIT ITS PRACTICES AND OPTIONS CONCERNING PUBLIC PARTICIPATION AT PETALUMA LEGISLATIVE BODY MEETINGS. IN FACT, THE COUNCIL WILL BE DISCUSSING VIRTUE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION IN CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS AT TONIGHT'S MEETING UNDER AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THAT CONCLUDES MY REMARKS. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THE CLARITY AND, UH, APPRECIATE THE ASSISTANCE AS WE FOLLOW THROUGH HERE, THAT IF SOMEONE DOES GO OFF SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION, WE'LL MUTE THEM, ADVISE THEM, RETURN TO THEM, AND SEE IF THEY'RE ON TRACK. AND IF THEY'RE NOT ON TRACK, THEN THAT WILL BE THE END OF THEIR OPPORTUNITY. OKAY. I, I GOTCHA. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. AND, AND JUST AS AN EXPLANATORY REMINDER FOR FOLKS, WHEN WE SAY SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION, WE MEAN TOPICS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAS THE AUTHORITY TO ADDRESS. IF THEY'RE, IF, IF FOLKS WANT TO TALK ABOUT, UM, POLICIES OF THE STATE GOVERNMENT OR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THOSE ARE NOT THINGS THAT OUR CITY COUNCIL CAN CONTROL AND NOT WITHIN ITS SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WELL, I'D LIKE TO CHECK IN WITH OUR CITY CLERK AND SEE IF WE'VE RECEIVED COMMENTS AHEAD OF TIME AND MAYBE HOW MANY AND ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YES, MAYOR MCDONALD, THE CITY RECEIVED 72 GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WERE POSTED ONLINE, AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO NOTE THAT COMMENTS RECEIVED REGARDING THE HOTEL AND ZONING PROJECT HAVE BEEN PLACED UNDER GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS. ANY STORY POLL COMMENTS RECEIVED? WERE POSTED UNDER ITEM NINE ON THE WEBSITE. WONDERFUL, THANK YOU. AND, UH, NOW I'D LIKE OUR MODERATOR TO, UH, READ THE INSTRUCTIONS, UH, FOR PARTICIPATION IN PERSON. THANK YOU, MAYOR. AT THIS TIME, I HAVE STARTED A 32ND CLOCK FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ATTENDING IN PERSON SHOULD BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE SO. SPEAKERS ARE REMINDED TO BE RESPECTFUL IN THEIR COMMENTS AND THAT THIS MEETING IS BEING TRANSLATED. PLEASE PAUSE BETWEEN SENTENCES FOR TRANSLATION. A COUNTDOWN WILL APPEAR FOR THE CONVENIENCE OF THE SPEAKER AND VIEWERS. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND, UH, NOW I'M COUNTING THE CARDS. I HAVE TO SPEAK IN GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. SO, UM, WE WILL BE AT, UM, THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER. OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS CATHERINE BOBOWSKI TO BE FOLLOWED BY DWAYNE BELLINGER. [00:50:04] YES, MY NAME IS KATHERINE ROSKI. I'M BRING IN TWO MATTERS TO YOUR ATTENTION ON THE WALKWAY, UM, BY WATER STREET WHERE THE, UH, WHERE THE, THE BOARDS ARE, UH, THERE WAS, THERE'S NAILS STICKING UP WHERE PEOPLE CAN'T ACTUALLY TRIP AND FALL AND IT'S RIGHT BEHIND, UH, THE RESTAURANT THERE AND THE OTHER STUFF. AND PEOPLE CAN TRIP AND FALL ON THOSE NAILS AND THE BOARDS ARE UNEVEN. AND ALSO TOO, UH, THE OTHER DAY, MATTER OF FACT, IT'S EVERY SINGLE DAY AND NIGHT. MY NEIGHBOR SPACE 11, HE SITS IN HIS VEHICLE WITH HIS CAMERA AIMING AT MY PLACE, STOCKED MY PLACE. I WENT DOWN TO THE POLICE, UH, THE, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT TO REPORT THIS. AND I HAD A WITNESS THAT WENT WITH ME AND THE OFFICER SAYS, SAID, OH, HE COULD DO THAT. HE COULD BREAK THE LAW UP. I SAID, WHAT? I SAID, HE COULD BREAK THE LAW. THAT'S STALKING. HE SAID, NO, WE'RE GONNA ALLOW HIM TO CONTINUE TO BE STALK IN YOUR PLACE ALL THE TIME. HE SITS, LIKE I SAID, HE SITS IN HIS VEHICLE ALL NIGHT, A THIS CAMERA RIGHT INTO MY PLACE AT 31 ALL NIGHT LONG EVERY SINGLE NIGHT. AND A POLICE DEPARTMENT WON'T DO NOTHING ABOUT IT. AND I HAVE A WITNESS TO VERIFY THIS TOO. THANK YOU. UH, DWAYNE BELLINGER IS OUR NEXT SPEAKER TO BE FOLLOWED BY ROBERT HANSON. UM, GOOD EVENING. I CAME TO SPEAK THIS EVENING ON THE SUBJECT OF THE, UH, UH, GROUNDBREAKING THIS THURSDAY FOR THE NEW, UH, PETALUMA, UH, SMART STATION. AND I FIRST OF ALL, WANNA THANK EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU FOR THE WORK YOU'VE DONE IN GETTING THAT STATION LOCATED. UH, FINALLY, AND, UH, REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO THAT. I, IN FACT, I, I RODE THE TRAIN, UH, LAST WEEK TO GET TO THE AIRPORT, AND IT'S REALLY NICE TO BE ABLE TO GET AROUND WITHOUT A CAR. UM, WHAT I WOULD IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA HAS ALLOCATED A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS TO THE CITY OF PETALUMA TO PLAN FOR A COMMUNITY AROUND THE, UH, STATION, UH, WITH WITHIN A HALF A MILE OF THE STATION, OR IS, IS VICE VERSA, A QUARTER OF A MILLION FOR A HALF A MILE, OR A QUARTER OF A HALF A MILLION FOR A QUARTER OF A MILE. ANYWAY, THAT YOU'VE HAD MONEY ALLOCATED BY THE STATE TO DO PLANNING AROUND THE, UH, UH, STATION. AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR STARTING YOUR, UH, PUBLIC PROCESS ON PLANNING, UM, UH, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO PUT IN A PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED COMMUNITY AROUND THERE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE SO THAT THE, THE PEOPLE CAN LIVE THERE WITHOUT A CAR COULD LIVE THERE, UH, AROUND, UH, WHAT NECESSARY SHOPPING THEY'D HAVE, POSSIBLY A PLACE TO, UH, RENT A CAR WHEN THEY NEED ONE. BUT DEFINITELY FOOD, UH, DEFINITELY PARKS. BUT, UH, THE AREA JUST NORTH IN THE, IN THE, UM, URBAN EXPANSION AREA HAS TWICE VOTED ON BY THE PEOPLE OF PETALUMA. AND I'D LIKE TO SEE YOU START PLANNING THAT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU, UM, ROBERT HANSSEN TO BE FOLLOWED BY RAINEY. GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. ROBERT HANSSEN, INDEPENDENT FOR THE LAST TWO AND A HALF MONTHS, MY PUBLIC COMMENT HAS BEEN BOTH INTERRUPTED AND TERMINATED BY MY CITY COUNCIL. MY TOPIC CONCERN OUR FEDERAL AND STATE GOVERNMENT DECLARING WAR ON THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF OUR CHILDREN. BUT TONIGHT I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD EVERY CITIZEN OF PETALUMA SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT AND AWARE OF. NINE, 10 YEARS AGO, I WAS LIVING AT THE PETALUMA HOTEL. IT WAS OWNED BY A FRIEND OF MINES, ROBERT, AN OFFSHORE CHINESE INVESTMENT COMPANY, MADE HIM AN OFFER. PETALUMA HOTEL WAS SOLD TO COMMUNIST CHINA. FIVE YEARS AGO, CHINA SOLD THE PETALUMA HOTEL TO INDIA. MY FIRST THOUGHT WITH THESE 8,000 DOCUMENTED CHINESE MILITARY NOW IN OUR COUNTRY, FUNNELED THROUGH OUR SOUTHERN BORDER BY JOE BIDEN, GAVIN NEWSOM, WILL THEY BE FUNNELED THROUGH THE PETALUMA HOTEL TO BE DISPERSED THROUGHOUT OUR STATE, THROUGHOUT OUR COUNTRY TO ATTACK OUR INFRASTRUCTURE BECAUSE THAT'S WHY THEY'RE HERE. WILL THESE'S 8,000 DOCUMENTED CHINESE MILITARY BE FUNNELED IN PART THROUGH THE PETALUMA HOTEL UNDER THE 380,000 ACRES OF US FARMLAND? COMMUNIST CHINA OWNS MUCH OF IT'S SURROUNDING, YOU KNOW, EXCUSE MILITARY BASE FOR THE MICROPHONE TO BE MUTED FOR A MOMENT. AND, UM, CITY ATTORNEY, YOU [00:55:01] WANT TO, UM, MAKE A COMMENT THERE? SURE. UM, MR. HANSON, CHINESE MILITARY, MR. HANSON, I'M SORRY, YOUR MICROPHONE IS, YOUR MICROPHONE IS MUTED RIGHT NOW. UM, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL DOESN'T HAVE THE POWER TO ADDRESS. I DO NOT LOSE MY FIRST AMENDMENT WHEN I WALK THROUGH THOSE DOORS. SO AS I EXPLAINED EARLIER TONIGHT, THIS IS A LIMITED FORUM AND THE FORUM THAT THE PUBLIC ARE FREE TO PARTICIPATE IN AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS AS ONE IN WHICH THEY COMMENT ON ISSUES THAT THE COUNCIL CAN ADDRESS AND ISSUES THAT THE COUNCIL IS ADDRESSING ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, A HOTEL IN PETALUMA. AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FOREIGN NATIONALS AND HOW THEY MOVE INTO TALKING ABOUT CHINESE MILITARY 8,000 DOCUMENTARY. RIGHT? RIGHT. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAN, WE DO NOT, IMMIGRATION POLICY IS NOT SOMETHING LOCAL GOVERNMENTS CONTROL. SO IF, IF YOU ARE ABLE TO COUNCIL, AND IF YOU, I THINK WHAT WE'RE GONNA, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO HERE IS WE'RE GONNA ASK YOU TO MY FIRST AMENDMENT. NOPE. NOPE. WE'RE, WE'RE HONORING THOSE AND WE'RE HONORING THEM IN A WAY THAT ALLOWS US TO CONDUCT THE PUBLIC'S BUSINESS THAT'S ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. AND ALSO TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC ON ITEMS THAT THE COUNCIL CAN ADDRESS THAT ARE NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. AND THIS IS NOT AN EXAMPLE OF THAT. SO, SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO, WE'RE TALKING, MR. I'M SORRY, YOU'RE OUT OF ORDER. YOU'RE OUT OF, THIS IS NOT A BACK, THIS IS NOT A BACK AND FORTH. THAT'S OUT OF ORDER. MR. MAYOR, I SUGGEST WE GO TO THE NEXT SPEAKER. SO WE NEED TO MOVE TO OUR NEXT SPEAKER. WE WILL ASK THE, UH, THAT IS NOT TRUE, MR. HANSSEN, I'VE JUST EXPLAINED IT. IT'S NOT TRUE. I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO LEAVE THE MICROPHONE OR WE'LL HAVE TO DECLARE A RECESS AND HAVE, HAVE THE OFFICERS ENGAGE WITH YOU SO YOU DON'T THIS DISMISS SO YOU DON'T DISRUPT THIS MEETING FURTHER. BUT WE HAVE A PROBLEM HERE. EXCUSE ME, MR. HANSSEN SHOULD BE ADDRESSED. ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE MOVING TO OUR NEXT SPEAKER NOW, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. BUT WE WE'RE MOVING TO OUR NEXT SPEAKER WHO IS, UH, RAINEY, AND THAT SPEAKER IS TO BE FOLLOWED BY SHAW. HELLO. I'M GONNA BE READING FROM NOTES AND, AND I MIGHT ADD YOU NEED TO SPEAK RIGHT INTO THE MICROPHONE TO HEAR, DON'T FEEL THAT I'M NERVOUS. OKAY. I READ THE STATEMENT OF PEACE THAT WAS WRITTEN BY THE CITY, THAT, BUT THAT BY THE CITY COUNCIL DUE TO THE VISIBLE RISK TO SAFETY THAT WERE HAPPENING, UM, TO CERTAIN MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY. AND I APPRECIATE THAT LETTER. I AM HERE TO URGE YOU TO WRITE ANOTHER ONE THAT SUPPORTS, SUPPORTS MEMBERS OF THIS COMMUNITY WHO HAVE BEEN FEELING DEEP SADNESS AND VERY STRONG FEELINGS OF BEING UNSAFE. I URGE YOU TO IDENTIFY WITH, IDENTIFY THE PEOPLE IN THIS TOWN, PETALUMA, AND ASK 'EM HOW THEY FEEL. I ALSO URGE YOU IN SPECIFIC TO JOIN OTHER CITY COUNCILS, PARTICULARLY THE CITY OF RICHMOND IN THIS STATE, IN PROVIDING APPROPRIATE HISTORICAL CONTEXT TO THE SITUATION IN CALLING FOR AN IMMEDIATE CEASEFIRE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DO YOU, IS THAT YOUR I'M NOT, I'M NOT DONE YET, YET. OH, OKAY. I THOUGHT YOU WERE. SO I'M NOW GONNA READ FROM A NEW YORK TIMES OP-ED THAT WAS WRITTEN ON OCTOBER 14TH BY MOSAB ABUJA. HE'S A POET AND HE IS CURRENTLY IN GA THIS IS HIS STATEMENT THAT HE WANTS SHARE. HE SAYS, I WISH THE WEST INSTEAD OF MILITARIZING ISRAEL MORE AND MORE AND ALLOWING THEM TO CUT HUMANITARIAN AID FLOW TO THE GAZA STRIP, WOULD THINK SERIOUSLY ABOUT WHAT LED TO SUCH ACTIONS ON THE PART OF PALESTINIANS LED BY HAMAS. WHAT MAKES YOUNG PEOPLE CROSS THE BORDER KNOWING THEY WILL NOT RETURN TO THEIR FAMILIES. HE SAYS, HE SAYS, WHAT CAN BE DONE TO ACHIEVE JUSTICE FOR THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE? HE SAYS, WHO HAVE LONG ENDURED BRUTALITY OF MILITARY OCCUPATION AND SIEGE? THESE ARE VARIOUS SERIOUS QUESTIONS HE SAYS, AND CANNOT BE DELAYED. AND I THINK WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA ASK YOU TO, TO STOP HERE AND HELP US UNDERSTAND THE NEXUS YOU WANT IN OUR SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION RATHER THAN A QUOTE. WHAT'S THE ASK? I HAVE EMAILED EACH OF YOU THE RESOLUTION THAT THE CITY OF RICHMOND SIGNED, AND I'M URGING YOU TO SIGN A RESOLUTION LIKE THAT. HAVE CONVERSATION WITH PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THE SAFETY RISKS THAT THEY ALL FEEL AND HAVE ANOTHER LETTER. THESE ARE VERY SERIOUS THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING. AND CITY COUNCIL REPRESENTS THE COMMUNITY WHICH CAN PUT PRESSURE ON GOVERNMENTS, FEDERAL AND STATE. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT'S NOT YOUR DIRECT ROLE, BUT YOU SPEAK FOR THIS TOWN. AND THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE IN THIS TOWN WHO SEE [01:00:01] THAT GOING TO CITY COUNCIL, ASKING A RESOLUTION, HAVING THE VOICES OF ALL THE PEOPLE HEARD, CALLING FOR A CEASEFIRE, MOST IMPORTANTLY, SO THAT MORE PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE TO DIE WITH THE MILITARY MONEY. THAT WE ALL FUND THIS, WE'RE ALL TAXPAYERS THAT ARE FUNDING THIS. AND IT'S TROUBLING THAT THE BOMBS ARE MADE IN THE UNITED STATES AND THEY'RE BEING USED TO KILL PEOPLE AND THEY'RE ESCALATING THINGS AND IT'S NOT OKAY FOR ANYBODY. AND I JUST DON'T SUPPORT THAT. AND I THINK THAT THE COMMUNITY WOULD FEEL SAFER WITH A COMMENT, WHATEVER THAT MAY BE FROM YOU, JUST KNOWING WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SAY REGARDING THIS TOPIC. THANK YOU. OUR, OUR, UH, LAST SPEAKER IS, UH, HAW. THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR GIVING THIS OPPORTUNITY. YOU MIGHT WANNA OPPORTUNITY PULL THAT RIGHT THERE. YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TONIGHT. IT'S BEEN ALMOST A MONTH SINCE THE WAR IN GAZA STARTED AND THE DEATHS ROLE IS RISEN PAST, UH, 10,000 AND A MAJORITY OF WHOM ARE LITTLE CHILDREN. UH, THE CITY OF RICHMOND HAD ALREADY PASSED A RESOLUTION CALLING FOR A CEASEFIRE IN GAZA AND URGE YOU TO FOLLOW THE EXAMPLE OF THE CITY OF RICHMOND AND TO CONSIDER RELEASING A STATEMENT CONDEMNING THE ACTS OF, UH, CRIME AND VIOLENCE BEING COMMITTED IN GAZA. AND ALSO CALL FOR A CEASEFIRE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND THAT, UM, CLOSES OUR PUBLIC COMMENT, UH, GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE EVENING. AND, UH, WE'LL MOVE ON TO [COUNCIL COMMENT] COUNCIL COMMENTS FOR THE EVENING. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK, UH, WE, WE'VE ESTABLISHED A BIT OF A NEW PRACTICE FOR OUR COUN COUNCIL. WE WERE GETTING A LITTLE LONG IN OUR COMMENTS, UH, SO WE'RE, WE'RE, UH, TIGHTENING THAT UP AND UM, AND IT'S BEEN WORKING PRETTY GOOD. UM, THIS IS WHERE COUNCIL TALKS ABOUT THEIR LIAISON ACTIVITIES, UH, NOT SO MUCH OTHER, UH, UM, COMMUNITY EVENTS, BUT ESPECIALLY LIAISON ACTIVITIES. AND WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP IT BRIEF AND CONCISE AND, UH, WE'RE GONNA SET A, A 92ND CLOCK FOR EACH, UH, COUNCIL PERSON HERE AND, AND SEE HOW WE, WE DO WITH THAT. AND I'D LIKE TO START WITH, UH, FROM THIS END OF THE DAY, SO COUNCIL MEMBER SHRI, UH, YOUR FIRST UP TONIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO, UH, LOTS, SEVERAL MEETINGS HAVE BEEN OCCURRING, UH, ABOUT THE, UH, CLIMATE CHANGE ACTIONS, PARTICULARLY THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN AND THE BLUEPRINT FOR CARBON NEUTRALITY. SO A LOT IS GOING ON THERE, UM, WITH SEVERAL OF THE MEETINGS. SO PLEASE ATTEND FOR THE, FOR THOSE, UH, 'CAUSE IT'S, THERE'S A BIG ASK OF OUR CITIZENS. I'VE GONE TO TWO SEPARATE MEETINGS CONCERNING THIS, UH, A MICRO MOBILITY CONFERENCE THAT WAS THE US CONFERENCE. AND, UH, THAT'S GONNA BE ONE OF THE MAJOR WAYS WE CAN REDUCE OUR CARBON FOOTPRINT. UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET DOWN AND, AND, UH, CHANGE OUR MODALITIES AND USE, UH, SMALLER VEHICLES AND, UM, WALKING AND BIKING AND, UH, PUBLIC TRANSPORTS AND EVEN DELIVERIES. I ALSO ATTENDED THE GENER H ECONOMICS OF HOUSING, AND THAT'S ANOTHER, UM, ISSUE WITH THE CARBON, UH, THAT WE NEED TO WORK ON. AND THE COST OF HOUSING IS DIRECTLY, UH, PROPORTIONAL AND CORRELATED TO SUPPLY, WHICH IS CORRELATED TO HOMELESSNESS. SO THERE'S MULTIPLE THINGS THAT WE COULD SOLVE AT THE SAME TIME BY PROVIDING MORE HOUSING. THAT'S THE RESULT OF THAT. THEN, UH, THERE WAS A, UM, WENT TO A FACTORY TOUR AND SHOWED STACKABLES. SO WE CAN PRODUCE 4, 5, 6, AND EVEN UP TO EIGHT STORIES POSSIBLE USING A STACKABLE BUILDINGS LIKE THAT DO IN JAPAN. AND THERE'S A COMPANY HERE, UH, IN THE BAY AREA THAT ACTUALLY DOES THAT AND IS, UH, UH, ACTUALLY WORKING WITH SEVERAL FOLKS TO CREATE THESE STACKABLE APARTMENTS. FOR, FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. UM, ALSO WENT TO THE NORTH BAY WATER, UM, SHED ASSOCIATION FIELD TRIP TO MONTEZUMA WETLANDS. AND THEY ARE DOWNLOADING ALL THE DREDGE SPOILS FROM THE WHOLE BAY DREDGING AND CREATING WETLANDS USING THE DREDGE SPOILS. AND THEY'RE DOING IT AS A PRIVATE COMPANY AND DOING IT MUCH MORE EFFICIENTLY THAN ANY GOVERNMENT ORGANIZATION COULD POSSIBLY DO. SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. AND, UM, POSSIBILITIES, UH, WE NEED, CAN LOOK AT OUR PETALUMA MARSH AS A POSSIBILITY FOR THEM TO EXPAND THEIR OPERATIONS. SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO LOOK FORWARD TO. AG AND OPEN SPACE, UM, IS WORKING ON MANY PROJECTS. THEY'VE GOT LIKE 30 TO 40 PROJECTS THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON. SEVERAL ARE CLOSING EXTREMELY ACTIVE RIGHT NOW, AND THERE'S ACTUALLY SOME OPENINGS FOR SOME OPPORTUNITIES DOWN THE ROAD HERE FOR HERE IN PETALUMA. UM, LASTLY THERE IS A, UM, UH, SAW A LOT OF HISTORY OF BUILDINGS DOWNTOWN THROUGH THE LEADERSHIP CLASS. ALSO, THERE WAS THE HISTORY PRESENTATION, UM, BY OUR, UM, ANCIENTS THAT WERE, HAVE BEEN HERE, UH, THE OLDER FOLKS. AND IF YOU JUST WALK DOWNTOWN, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE, ONE OF THE THINGS THERE IS LOSS OF HISTORY, BUT THERE'S ALSO SOME I TO CALL URBAN BLIGHT. SO PLEASE TAKE A WALK AROUND AND, AND SEE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, UH, FOR, WE NEED TO REVITALIZE OUR DOWNTOWN SOME WAY SOMEHOW. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH, YOU KNOW, IT WITH AS MUCH AS COUNCIL [01:05:01] DOES, IT IS DIFFICULT TO KEEP IT UNDER 90 DAYS, THAT MINUTE AND A HALF. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER ZAKI. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, I'VE, UH, HAD, UH, SEVERAL MEETINGS RELATED TO THE, UH, COUN, UH, COUNTY CONTINUUM OF CARE COUNTY HOMELESS GROUP, WHICH RECENTLY CHANGED ITS NAME TO THE SONOMA COUNTY HOMELESS COALITION. UM, SO GOING FORWARD, UH, THAT TERM WILL BE USED INSTEAD OF THE CONTINUUM OF CARE, WHICH FOLKS HAD COMPLAINED, UH, JUST CONFUSED THEM ABOUT WHAT WAS INVOLVED THERE. UM, THE, THE, UH, AND, AND I'M STILL GONNA FALL INTO SAYING THE COC, BUT, UH, SO THE HOMELESS COALITION AT THESE RECENT MEETINGS HAS TAKEN UP VARIOUS SUBJECTS RELATED TO COMPARING PROGRAMS OF DIFFERENT, UH, NON-PROFIT HOMELESS PROVIDERS. TRY TO TRY TO GET BETTER AT DECIDING, UH, WHO, UH, IS DOING A BETTER JOB WITH, WITH THE MONEY, UH, UM, FUNDED TO THEM. AND, UM, ALSO TO DECIDE EXACTLY WHICH ASPECTS OF OUR HOMELESS PROGRAM SUCH AS PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING, RAPID REHOUSING. UH, DON'T HAVE TIME TO GO INTO ALL THOSE THINGS, BUT, UH, TO, TO WHICH ONES WE SHOULD BE DIRECTING THE MONEY TO. AND FINALLY, I'D JUST LIKE TO GO ON RECORD AS, UH, SUPPORTING THE REQUEST OF THE TWO YOUNG LADIES TONIGHT, UH, THAT WE CONSIDER A, ANOTHER RESOLUTION, UH, IN RESPECT TO, UH, A CEASEFIRE IN THE MIDDLE EAST. THANK YOU. SO THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER NOW. UM, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I'M GOING TO USE MY, UM, 90 SECONDS TO, UM, REAL FAST. I AM ON THE AIRPORT LIAISON AND, UM, IF YOU'RE A PILOT OR A PASSENGER OF AN AIRPLANE FLYING IN, YOU'LL NOTICE SOME IMPROVEMENTS IN OUR RUNWAYS. UM, ALSO THIS WEEKEND ON NOVEMBER 11TH, VETERANS DAY, A HUEY HELICOPTER WILL BE FLYING OVER PETALUMA FOR THE VETERANS PARADE, BUT IT WILL BE USING OUR PETALUMA AIRPORT AS ITS, UM, UH, ITS TAKEOFF AND LANDING. AND SO IF CHILDREN WILL, AND FAMILIES WANNA GO BY AND SEE A HUEY HELICOPTER BEFORE IT TAKES OFF FOR THE PARADE IN DOWNTOWN, UM, GO OUT TO THE AIRPORT. UH, SO THE VETERANS, IT'S CALLED VETS WITH CORVETTES, THEY WILL BE LINING UP AT THE AIRPORT BEFORE THE PARADE AND THEN PARADING DOWNTOWN TO JOIN THE PARADE. SO THAT'LL ALL BE AT THE AIRPORT SATURDAY MORNING. AND ON VETERAN'S DAY, THE MUSEUM WILL BE HOLDING THEIR EXHIBIT ON WOMEN IN THE MILITARY. AND THERE'S ALSO A BIKE RIDE THAT WILL BE STARTING AT MCNAIR PARK FOR VETERANS AND THE PARADE'S AT ONE O'CLOCK AND AT 7:00 PM THERE'S A SABER SIX VETERANS, UM, CONCERT. AND THERE'S ALSO A GHOST WALKS HAPPENING IN PETALUMA IN NOVEMBER. UM, UH, SPONSORED BY THE MUSEUM, WHICH IS PART OF OUR CITY OF PETALUMA PARKS AND R STUDIO. IS THAT 90 SECONDS FOR YOU? WOW. PERFECT TIMING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, VICE MAYOR CATER THOMPSON. YEAH, I JUST, I DON'T, UM, WELL, I JUST WANNA MAKE A COMMENT ON THE RICHMOND CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE I DID WATCH THAT MEETING TILL PAST 1230 AT NIGHT, AND A LOT OF THE COMMENTS WERE PRETTY SURPRISING. OCTOBER 7TH NEVER HAPPENED. IT'S THE END OF MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY, I THINK JANICE'S CLOCK IS STILL RUNNING. , MY, YOU, YOU, YOU DID REALLY GOOD JOB. UH, THE WATER ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO THE SONOMA COUNTY WATER AGENCY MET THIS MORNING. UM, AS THE COUNCIL NOTES, I'M THE CHAIR OF THE GROUP. UM, I CAN REPORT THAT, UH, THE NEXT 12 MONTHS AT LEAST, ARE GONNA BE ALL POTTER VALLEY ALL THE TIME. UM, WE HAVE AN ITEM ON OUR TENTATIVE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MEETING, UM, ON THAT SUBJECT. SO WE'LL HAVE A BIT MORE OF A DISCUSSION AND GET A LITTLE BIT MORE BACKGROUND ON THAT. UM, AND THEN A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS. ONE, UM, CONSERVATION BY CUSTOMERS, WATER CUSTOMERS IN THE NORTH BAY HAS NOT LET UP AT ALL, EVEN AFTER THE DROUGHT ENDED. UM, AND SO THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT, UM, WATER SALES ARE A THOUSAND ACRE FEET BELOW THE WATER AGENCY'S DRAFT BUDGET OR CURRENT BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR. SO THAT'S GREAT NEWS. WE HAVEN'T LIGHT UP ON CONSERVATION. THE BAD NEWS IS THAT'S GONNA BITE US, UM, WHEN WE COME, COME TO SETTING RATES FOR THE NEXT YEAR BECAUSE IT'S A FULLY VOLUMETRIC RATE. AND, UM, THAT'S A CHALLENGE. AND, AND THEN, UM, THIS WAS AN ISSUE THAT CAME UP THIS MORNING. APPARENTLY THERE WAS A BILL THAT WAS JUST, UH, SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR THAT IS GOING TO BASICALLY OUTLAW ORNAMENTAL GRASS ON COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES BEGINNING AT THE BEGINNING OF 2025. AND THAT'S [01:10:01] GOING TO HAVE A BIG IMPACT IN, IN OUR COMMUNITY FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT BUSINESSES AND BUSINESS PARKS. UM, SO, UM, UH, AND I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS, BUT THAT'S GONNA BE A BIG DEAL 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GET THE, UH, THE PURPLE PIPE EXTENDED TO THOSE PLACES IN THAT KIND OF TIMEFRAME. THAT TAKES WAY TOO LONG. SO THAT'S, THAT'S IT FOR I THINK THAT YOU, THANK YOU. AND COUNCIL MEMBER COLE. UM, I HAVE HAD SEVERAL LIAISON APPOINTMENTS, SO I'M GONNA GO BACK AND PULL BACK FROM THE MINUTES THAT I'VE BANKED IN PRIOR MEETINGS OF BEING QUICK. UM, AND I'LL TRY AND BE QUICK. UH, THE GROUNDWATER SUSTAINABILITY AGENCY MET, UM, UH, MOST EXCITING PART OF THAT WAS, UM, GIVING A NICE SEND OFF TO ANDY BAY WHO RETIRED. UM, BUT, UH, SOME OF THE MORE SUBSTANTIVE PIECES OF THAT WERE, UM, ALL THREE OF THE GSAS IN THE SONOMA, UH, IN SONOMA COUNTY, UM, RECEIVED FULL FUNDING FOR, UM, THEIR IMPLEMENTATION GRANTS, WHICH IS A BIG DEAL. UM, IT WAS, UH, LIKE, I THINK IT WAS, IT WAS LIKE NX OVERSUBSCRIBED TO THE PROGRAM, AND WE GOT ALL OF THE MONEY WE WERE LOOKING FOR. SO IT WAS KUDOS TO THE, THE PETALUMA GSA AND THE TEAM THAT'S WORKING ON THAT. UM, MORE SUBSTANTIVE IS WE'RE GONNA BE RE-LOOKING AT FEES, WHICH IF YOU RECALL FROM THE LAST TIME THAT CAME FORWARD, UM, THERE'S A NEW AD HOC TO LOOK AT, UM, FEES GOING FORWARD. UM, AND APPARENTLY THE COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WAS, UM, HAS BEEN PUSHING FOR CONSOLIDATION OF THE DIFFERENT GSAS AS A COST CUTTING MEASURE. UM, SO INTERESTED TO SEE HOW THAT PLAYS OUT. UM, THE PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE ADVISORY COMMITTEE HAS BEEN VERY BUSY. WE HAD AN OPEN HOUSE WHERE SEVERAL PEOPLE CAME, UM, AND GAVE FEEDBACK ON OUR, UH, ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN. WE ALSO HAD A JOINT MEETING WITH THE TREE COMMITTEE TO, UM, LOOK AT OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS. SO WHEN THAT COMES FORWARD, THERE'LL BE SOME, UH, GREAT INPUT ON TREES AND ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION AMENITIES, UM, IN THE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS. UM, I HAD A SONOMA CLEAN POWER BOARD MEETING, UH, WHERE THE MOST SUBSTANTIVE THING WAS THE NET BILLING TARIFF, WHICH IS THE SOLAR TARIFF. UM, WE BASICALLY ALIGNED WITH WHAT PG AND E DID IN THE, THE M OR NET ENERGY METERING 3.0, UM, PROCEEDING. AND, UM, I THINK IT GAVE MYSELF AND OTHER, UM, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD SOME HEARTACHE BECAUSE OF WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE DECREASE IN SOLAR APPLICATIONS SINCE, UM, M THREE WENT INTO, UM, UH, INTO EFFECT. UM, I'VE HEARD AMAZING, UH, POSITIVE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THE, UM, THE SAFE STREETS NOMINATION PROGRAM. UM, PROBABLY MOST EXCITING, I HAD A, UM, CONVERSATION WITH MULTIPLE RESIDENTS ON MADISON STREET. ALSO TALKED TO THE GENERAL MANAGER AT CLOVER ABOUT SOME OF THE SAFETY ISSUES ON MADISON STREET. SO LOOKING FORWARD TO PUSHING FORWARD, HOPEFULLY SOME TRAFFIC CALMING ON THAT. UM, BUT ALSO I'VE HEARD FROM, UH, FROM BJORN AT THE LAST PBAC MEETING THAT, UM, WE ARE SEEING, UH, A LOT OF SUBSCRIPTION TO THAT WITH, UH, I THINK HE SAID 10 APPLICATIONS A DAY FOR THE SAFE STREETS NOMINATION PROGRAM. BUT, UM, SO REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING THAT MOVE FORWARD. UM, AND THEN, UM, JUST AS A FOLLOW UP TO OUR LAST MEETING ON THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION UPDATE, UM, PLAN UPDATE, UH, THE NEXT DAY I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH MY BEST FRIEND WHO LIVES IN A DIFFERENT CITY AND HE JUST GOT HIT ON HIS BIKE, UM, AND HAS A FRACTURED WRIST AND FRACTURED RIBS. SO, UM, APOLOGIES FOR FEELING MORE BULLISH THAN EVER THAT WE NEED, UM, PROTECTED BIKE LANES AND THAT THE, UH, K 70 ONES AREN'T GONNA BE ENOUGH, UM, WHEN, WHEN CARS COME INTO THE BIKE LANE. UH, AND THEN FINALLY, ON A LIGHTER NOTE, SOMETHING I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT AND AND PROUD OF, UM, FOR THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH A, A GROUP OF PEOPLE TO, UM, BASICALLY COME UP WITH A PROJECT TO PUT, UM, ABMX, UH, BIKING TRACK ON THE INFIELD OF THE PETALUMA SPEEDWAY. UM, ON FRIDAY WE LAUNCHED THE, THE CAMPAIGN FOR THAT. IT'S CALLED SPEEDWAY, BMX OR SPEEDWAY BMX.ORG. UM, IT BASICALLY WOULD ALLOW US TO USE, UM, HAVE A YEAR-ROUND FAMILY FRIENDLY ACTIVITY. THERE'S NO BMX TRACKS IN SONOMA OR MARIN COUNTY. UM, AND, UM, SO THAT GIVES US A NEW USE AT THE PETALUMA SPEEDWAY THAT, UM, DOESN'T COMPROMISE ANYTHING AND, UM, GIVES US A LOT MORE ACTIVITY THERE. SO, UM, THAT IS MY COMMENT. APOLOGIES FOR GOING OVER. UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, GOOD REPORT. AND, UH, THERE HAVE BEEN SO MANY PUBLIC MEETINGS IN THE PAST COUPLE WEEKS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO START. WE, YOU'RE HEARING EVERYTHING. AND I DO WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR HOSTING SO MANY OF THESE, I KNOW, UH, WE HAD THE BIG CA FIELD CROSSING, UH, MEETING, UM, AND, AND IT WAS WELL ATTENDED. UH, PEOPLE GOT A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED FOR THAT, UH, [01:15:01] RIVER CROSSING THAT'LL BRING TRAFFIC RELIEF TO PETALUMA, UH, THE OAK HILL WELL PROJECT HAD A NICE PUBLIC, UH, TURNOUT AND STAFF REPORT. SOME, UH, APPRECIATE STAFF THERE. AND OF COURSE, THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION MEETING. ALSO SMART HOSTED A VISIT TO, UH, ALL THE STATIONS IN THE SMART SYSTEM WITH THE MTC, THE METROPOLITAN TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION. AND, UH, I GOT A CHANCE TO SAY A FEW WORDS. AND THEN STAFF, OF COURSE, REALLY TOLD THAT WHAT WAS GOING ON IN PETALUMA AND HOW A RAIL STATION AFFECTS OUR FUTURE HELPS REDUCE, UH, OUR DEPENDENCY ON CAR AND OUR MODE SHIFT CLIMATE GOALS. SO, UM, THAT WAS REALLY VALUABLE TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THE FUNDING AUTHORITY IN METROPOLITAN TRANSIT. AND, UM, THEN I ALSO JUST WANTED TO COMMEND THE, UH, PETALUMA CITY SCHOOLS WHO ARE HOSTING AN ENVIRONMENTAL LITERACY AND INVITING IN ALL DIFFERENT AGENCIES, THE CITY BEING REPRESENTED, AND, AND, AND BASICALLY EVERY ENVIRONMENTAL GROUP SO THAT OUR, UH, KIDS RECOGNIZE WHAT'S GOING ON WITH CLIMATE AND RECOGNIZING THE, UM, THE IMPERATIVE FOR THE FUTURE. AND, UM, UH, DO YOU WANT TO NOTE ABOUT THE, THE VETERAN'S DAY PER, UH, PARADE THIS WEEKEND? AND REMEMBER, THE EASIEST WAY TO GET THERE IS ON FOOT OR ON BIKE, NOT ON CAR. BUT, UH, LASTLY, ON A HEAVY NOTE, A NOTE OF CONCERN. AT OUR LAST COUNCIL MEETING, WE PASSED A RESOLUTION, AGAIN, DECLARING SUPPORTIVE HUMAN RIGHTS OF ALL PETALUMA AND CONDEMNING HATE SPEECH, RACISM, AND ACTS OF EXTREMISM. AND YET, BEFORE THE E WAS EVEN DRY ON THAT, WE'VE HAD YET ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF RACIST HATE SPEECH RIGHT HERE IN PETALUMA. OUR SUPPORT GOES OUT TO THAT BUSINESS. AND I KNOW MOST OF THE COUNCIL VISITED WITH, UH, THAT BUSINESS OWNER WHO IS SUBJECT TO THIS AWFULNESS. BUT IT EXISTS AND NONE OF US APPROVE OF IT. BUT WE MUST DECLARE NO MORE. WE, WE MUST DEMAND CHANGE. AND I THINK THE PATH TO THAT CHANGE IS TO ADMIT OURSELF THAT RACISM AND HATE EXISTS IN OUR TOWN, EVERY TOWN. UM, AND WE NEED TO SEE IT FOR WHAT IT IS AND NOT MINIMIZE THE IMPACT THAT IT HAS TO BE. WE NEED TO DECLARE EACH ONE OF US THAT THERE IS NO ROOM FOR HATE AND THERE'S NO ROOM FOR, FOR RACISM. AND, UM, THAT CONCLUDES MY COMMENTS, AND I THINK I HAVE A SEGUE OVER TO OUR CITY MANAGER'S REPORT [CITY MANAGER COMMENT] FROM THAT NOTE. YES. THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL AND COMMUNITY. UH, THAT IS A PERFECT SEGUE INTO, UM, ONE OF THE COMMENTS I WANTED TO MAKE TONIGHT AND JUST WANTED TO REFLECT ON THE CITY'S PARTICIPATION IN UNITED AGAINST HATE WEEK. AND SO AT THE CITY OF PETALUMA, OUR DEDICATION TO DIVERSITY, EQUITY, INCLUSION, AND BELONGING, WE BELIEVE IS AT THE HEART OF OUR COMMUNITY ETHOS. AND THAT COMMITMENT IS CHAMPIONED BY OUR DEIB STAFF LED TEAM, AND WE HAVE ELECTED TO PARTICIPATE IN UNITED AGAINST HATE WEEK, WHICH IS A NATIONAL MOVEMENT. AND IT WILL BE, UH, NEXT WEEK, NOVEMBER THE, THE WEEK OF NOVEMBER 12TH, WE'RE ACTIVELY SPREADING THE MESSAGE THAT WE ARE UNITED AGAINST HATE BY DISTRIBUTING POSTERS. UH, THEY'LL BE DISPLAYED IN A VARIETY OF CITY FACILITIES, AS WELL AS THERE IS A BANNER OVER KENTUCKY STREET. SO IT WENT UP THIS MORNING, I'M TOLD. SO IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN IT YET, PLEASE GO CHECK THAT OUT. AND THESE MEASURES ARE DESIGNED TO INSPIRE COLLECTIVE ACTION AGAINST HATE. FOR MORE DETAILS, YOU CAN VISIT CITY OF PETALUMA.ORG/UA H UNITED AGAINST HATE, AND JOIN US IN TAKING A STAND AND UNITING WITH PETALUMA AGAINST HATE. SO, UH, HAPPY TO BE PARTICIPATING IN THAT MOVEMENT. AND THEN THE SECOND THING I WANTED TO MENTION TODAY IS ON A DIFFERENT NOTE, WE ARE VERY EXCITED TO WELCOME OUR NEW FINANCE DIRECTOR TO THE CITY TEAM. JESSE G***H, UH, HAS BEEN ON THE JOB FOR A TOTAL OF SIX DAYS, I BELIEVE. AND, UH, WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE HER. WE, UH, STOLE HER FROM THE CITY OF NAPA AND SHE'S A SONOMA COUNTY NATIVE AND BRINGS A LOT OF EXPERTISE IN ACCOUNTING, FINANCE, BUDGETING, AND FORECASTING. SO I WANTED TO INVITE HER TO SAY HELLO AND SAY A FEW WORDS. GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I'M THRILLED AND HONORED TO BE PART OF THE PETALUMA TEAM, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU IN THE COMMUNITY AND ALSO TO PARTNERING WITH COREY AND OUR STELLAR FINANCE TEAM TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE YOU WITH ACCURATE REPORTING AND INNOVATIVE FINANCIAL SOLUTIONS. SO THANK YOU. WONDERFUL. AND WE, WE ALL WELCOME YOU ABOARD AND THANK YOU, UH, UH, THANK YOU MR. ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER. AND THAT MOVES US TO OUR CONSENT [CONSENT CALENDAR] CALENDAR FOR THE EVENING AND LOOKING UP AND DOWN THE DIOCESE TO SEE WHETHER ANYONE HAS, UH, A COMMENT ON THIS. COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY. YEAH, I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM TWO, PLEASE. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE MOVE INTO THIS? AND, UM, THEN I'D LIKE TO, UM, LET'S SEE, UH, AGREE TO POLL ITEM TWO HAD TREATED [01:20:01] SEPARATELY, AND THEN ALSO TO, UM, LET'S SEE. LET'S HAVE, UH, COUNSEL COMMENTS FIRST BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC. UH, COMMENT ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR AND, UM, LET'S START WITH ITEM TWO AND, UM, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER HEALEY YOUR CONCERN. SURE. UM, I WOULD REQUEST THAT, UH, ITEM NINE ON THE TENTATIVE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS RESOLUTION EXPRESSING THE CITY OF PETALUMA'S SUPPORT FOR THE BAY AREA HOUSING FINANCE AUTHORITY PROPOSAL TO PLACE A GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND ON THE NOVEMBER, 2024 BALLOT. UM, THAT, THAT BE CONTINUED TO A LATER MEETING. AND, AND THE REASON IS THAT, UM, THE BFI PROPOSAL IS STILL VERY MUCH A WORK IN PROGRESS. UM, SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS MAY BE AWARE THAT, UM, NANCY HALL BENNETT WITH THE NORTH BAY DIVISION OF LEAGUE CITIES IS TRYING TO ARRANGE A COFFEE CHAT WITH THE NORTH BAY, UH, MTC COMMISSIONERS, WHO ARE THE ONES WHO ARE EMPOWERED TO PLACE THAT ON THE BALLOT TO TALK ABOUT HOW THE MONEY FLOWS BACK TO THE JURISDICTIONS CURRENTLY, UM, AND THIS IS VERY OPAQUE, BUT CURRENTLY FROM WHAT I'M ABLE TO DISCERN, UM, MOST OF THE MONEY WOULD FLOW THROUGH COUNTY BOARDS OF SUPERVISORS, AND IT WOULD BE AT THEIR DISCRETION ON WHERE THE MONEY GOES. BUT THERE'S SOME CITIES THAT HAVE BEEN CARVED OUT FROM THAT, AND WE'LL GET DIRECT ALLOCATIONS. SO CITY OF SANTA ROSA IS ONE OF THOSE. CITY OF NAPA, WHICH IS NOT THAT MUCH BIGGER THAN US, IS ANOTHER ONE. AND I THINK WE SHOULD, UM, UH, TRY TO GET THAT PROBLEM FIXED BEFORE WE SIGN ON SUPPORTING WITH SOMETHING THAT REALLY SHOULD BE BETTER. AND THERE'S NO URGENCY AT THIS POINT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T NEED TO GO, UH, IT WON'T BE PLACED ON THE BALLOT UNTIL, AT LEAST ON THE SPRING OF NEXT YEAR. SO I WOULD REQUEST THAT ITEM NINE, UM, BE REMOVED. AND I, I WOULD ACTUALLY, UM, MOVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR WITH THE ONE, CHANGE THAT ITEM NINE BE REMOVED FROM ITEM TWO. I THINK I'M GONNA HOLD MOTION TILL AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT IF YOU WANT. AND THEN, AND, UH, AND COME BACK TO YOU ON THAT. DOES ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBER HAVE A, A COMMENT ON, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER'S HEALY'S, UH, COMMENT ON ITEM NINE, FUTURE AGENDA. AND, UM, AND ANYBODY HAVE A COMMENT ON ANY OTHER, UH, PART OF THE, UH, CONSENT CALENDAR? UH, I JUST WANTED TO, UH, UH, EXPRESS APPRECIATION TO STAFF FOR IN, IN ITEM TWO. SMART. UH, WE'RE AWARDING THE STATION, UH, WE'RE COORDINATING EXPENDITURES WITH SMART ON THE STATION. EXPANSION OF CORONA AND STAFF HAS, UH, MADE EVERY EFFORT TO ACCELERATE THE MCDOWELL STREET CROSSING RIGHT UP FRONT, YOU KNOW, TO THE EARLY END OF THINGS. 'CAUSE I THINK IF YOU LET THE TRAIN COMPANY DECIDE WHAT GETS BUILT, THE TRAIN STATION GETS BUILT IN, YOU KNOW, FOR THE CITY AND WITH OUR MONEY, WE'D REALLY LOVE TO HAVE MCDOWELL FINISHED UP FIRST. SO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO STAFF AND LET'S GO TO, UH, GENERAL PUBLIC [GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT] COMMENT ON THAT. DID WE HAVE ANY COMMENT ON THE, UH, CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS? MAYOR MCDONALD? THERE WAS NO COMMENTS RECEIVED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND I HAVE NO CARDS IN HOUSE FOR THAT, RIGHT? THAT COMMENTS RIGHT NOW. SO, WE'LL, UH, GO AHEAD AND CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND BRING IT BACK TO COUNSEL. AND I BELIEVE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY HAS A MOTION FOR, WOULD YOU REPEAT THE MOTION? SURE. I'LL, I'LL REMAKE MY MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR WITH THE ONE CHANGE THAT, UM, ITEM NINE BE ON, ON ITEM TWO, BE CONTINUED TO DATE UNCERTAIN. SECOND. OKAY, GOOD. SO, UH, MOTION CLEAR TO EVERYBODY AND GOOD. I'D LIKE TO HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR WITH THE MOTION AS MADE. COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE AYE. CATER THOMPSON? YES. HEALY? YES. NOW YES. POST K, YES. SCHIBS? YES. MAYOR MCDONALD. YES. MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THAT MOVES US TO OUR NEXT ITEM, [PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION] UH, GETTING INTO PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION. THIS IS A RESOLUTION DECLARING THE RESULTS OF MAJORITY PROTEST PROCEEDINGS AND ADOPTION. THAT'S THE SECOND READING OF ORDINANCE 2, 8, 6 6 TO RENEW THE PETALUMA TOURIST IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT. AND, UH, WE HAVE INGRID VARDE, OUR DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, OPEN GOVERNMENT TO LEAD US THROUGH THIS. WELCOME. GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, THIS WILL BE A SHORT ITEM. THIS IS, UH, HEARING THREE, UM, AND FINAL HEARING TO APPROVE THE PETALUMA TOURISM IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT. THIS IS A SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE YOU APPROVED OR YOU INTRODUCED. AND IT IS ALSO A MAJORITY PROTEST WHERE WE, WE WOULD BE ACCEPTING POSSIBLE PROTEST. UM, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY PROTESTS FROM ANY OF THE, THE HOTELIERS. IN FACT, EACH HOTELIER HAS, UM, SUBMITTED A LETTER OF SUPPORT. SO, UM, THAT IS REALLY THE EXTENT OF THIS FINAL HEARING. AND, UM, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. WE HAVE THE CONSULTANT ONLINE IF THERE ARE OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PTID. OKAY. UH, LET ME BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL AND SEE IF ANYBODY HAS A QUESTION ABOUT THIS. IT'S OUR THIRD TIME AT IT, SO [01:25:01] PROBABLY WE'RE, YOU KNOW, PRETTY MUCH UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE GOING. GOT ALL THE QUESTIONS ANSWERED, ? I HOPE SO. AND THEN, UH, FORMALLY, I GUESS WE HAVE TO OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS MATTER AND, UM, AND ALSO STATE AND REMIND THAT PROTEST LETTERS MUST BE RECEIVED PRIOR TO THE CLOSE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND THOSE NOT RECEIVED BY REGULAR MAIL AT THIS POINT SHOULD BE WALKED UP TO THE CITY CLERK LOCATED AT THE FRONT OF THE COUNCIL CHAMBER AND NOT SEEING ANYONE RISE THEIR FEET. I WILL CLOSE THE, UM, UM, PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS MATTER AND, UM, AND I WILL, UM, MOVE US TO, LET'S SEE, NEXT COMES. AND SO, LACKING ANY PROTEST, WE ARE CLOSED ON THIS ITEM AND WE CAN RETURN. AND IF NO COMMENT, WE CAN PROCEED TO, TO, UH, ROLL CALL, VOTE ON THE ITEM. I'M SORRY. , THIS HAPPENS. I'LL MOTION APPROVAL. SECOND. THANK YOU. AND I'M SORRY, DID WE CATCH THE SECOND HERE? WAS OSA. K. AND SO NOW WE HAVE A MOTION AND CAN HAVE A VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBERS BARNACLE AYE. CATER THOMPSON? YES. HEALY? YES. NOW? YES. OSA K? YES. SHREDS? YES. MAYOR MCDONALD? YES. MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU EVERYBODY. AND THEN, UH, ITEM EIGHT. THIS IS THE INTRODUCTION OR FIRST READING OF A ZONING AMENDMENT TO DESIGNATE THE RED BARN COMPLEX LOCATED ON PARCEL B OF THE APPROVED SCOTT RANCH SUBDIVISION, UH, ADJACENT TO KELLY CREEK AND D STREET, A LOCAL LANDMARK. AND THIS IS ASSESSOR, UH, ASSESSOR PARCEL NUMBER 0 1 9 1 2 0 0 0 4 1. AND, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, FIRST BEFORE WE, UH, GET INTO THE PRESENTATION, I'D LIKE TO INVITE COUNCIL MEMBER POKAY TO SPEAK. YES. I, I, I THINK I MAY NEED TO RECUSE FROM THIS, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF, IF IT'S NECESSARY. I I NEED TO ASK THE ATTORNEYS IF ADVICE DO, UM, THANK YOU FOR RAISING THAT COUNCIL MEMBER . DO WE HAVE A, A STAFF REVIEW OF THE CONFLICT RADIUS FOR COUNCIL MEMBER? HE HAS RECUSED IN THE PAST ON THE, UM, THE PROJECT ITEMS BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY TO HIS RESIDENCE, DO WE NOT? THAT IS CORRECT. SO BEST TO RECUSE COUNCIL MEMBER. THANK YOU. AND BECAUSE IT'S NOT A CONSENT ITEM, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND LEAVING THE CHAMBERS MAYOR, MR. MAYOR, I'LL THANK YOU MR. MAYOR, IF I COULD YES, HONOR BEFORE WE PROCEED, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY, MR. DANLEY, YOU KNOW, THE RED BARNES ARE NOWHERE WITHIN 500 FEET OF HIS HOME. UM, SOME PARTS, OTHER PARTS OF THE PROJECT ARE, BUT THE RED BARNS ARE NOT. AND IF THIS IS JUST, UM, DESIGNATING THE RED BARN COMPLEX, I DON'T SEE WHY MR. UH, COUNCILMAN HAS A CONFLICT. THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION. UM, 'CAUSE THIS ITEM FOCUSES ON THAT WOULD BE THREE. IT WOULD BE PARCEL B. PARCEL B. YEP. UM, SO, UM, WELL, I, I MEAN THE, THE MOST CAUTIOUS READING WOULD BE TO, TO TO CONFIRM WHETHER OR NOT COUNCIL MEMBER POST CASE'S RESIDENCE IS WITHIN 500 FEET OF THE PERIMETER OF PARCEL B. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT ANSWER. UM, ARE YOU ABLE TO CHECK? I BE PRETTY SURE IF I THAT'S OKAY. YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT, UH, I, SORRY. I WOULD NEED TO SEE A MAP, BUT I THINK I'D BE SURE ABOUT 500 FEET IF I SAW A MAP. I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS STILL, THE WHOLE PROPERTY WAS GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANNA TAKE A BRIEF RECESS, WE CAN LOOK AT THE PULL UP THE MAP TO CONFIRM. COULD WE DO THAT, MR. MAYOR? I'M SORRY. YES. UH, LET'S TAKE A THREE MINUTE BREAK. AND CAN WE, UH, POST OUR, UH, MEETING BREAK PERIOD ON THE, UM, THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. I, LET'S PREPARE US TO RETURN TO SESSION, TO THE STAFF REPORT IF EVERYONE COULD, UH, RETAKE THEIR SEATS AND, UM, WE'LL GET BACK IN SESSION AND BROUGHT THEM TO YOUR OFFICE. NO, YOU WON'T NEED TO BECAUSE THAT'S A PLANNING COMMISSION. WE DON'T HAVE ONE MINUTE WARNING COMMISSION FROM THE PLANNING 45 SECOND WARNING PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THEY HAVE THEIR OWN REPORT. I CAN CHECK WITH HEATHER AND THE CITY ATTORNEY WHEN I GET A MINUTE AND I COME BACK TO THEM. OKAY. WE ARE BACK IN SESSION AND WE WERE, UH, OFFERING, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER POKAY AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. YES. AFTER DISCUSSION, UH, WITH THE STAFF AND LOOKING AT THE MAP, I WILL NEED TO RECUSE FROM THIS ITEM. THANK YOU, COUNCIL COUNCILMEMBER. AND JUST TO CONFIRM, UM, IT'LL BE THE CASE THAT THE PARCELS WILL BE RECONFIGURED, BUT THEY'RE NOT RECONFIGURED YET. AND SO WE, WE BELIEVE COUNCILMEMBER PUKE NEEDS TO RECUSE. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND, UM, TO, TO MAKE THIS, UM, PRESENTATION FOR [01:30:01] US TONIGHT, UH, WE HAVE, UH, HEATHER HEINZ, OUR PROJECT, UH, SPECIAL PROJECTS MANAGER. WELCOME. THANK YOU, MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS. UM, TONIGHT WE ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE RED BARN COMPLEX AND, UM, AN APPLICATION FOR LOCAL LANDMARK DESIGNATION. AND WHY AM I NOT MOVING FORWARD? THERE WE GO. UM, SO IN OVERVIEW, I'M GONNA QUICKLY TOUCH ON OUR LANDMARK DESIGNATION PROCESS. GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND FOR THOSE THAT MAYBE HAVE FORGOTTEN WHERE WE, WHERE WE WERE OR WHY WE'RE HERE. UM, GO THROUGH STAFF ANALYSIS, SPECIFICALLY THE REQUIRED FINDINGS FOR, UM, THE ZONING AMENDMENT, ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW, UM, THE OUTREACH, AND FINALLY THE RECOMMENDATION. UM, SO, UM, OUR LOCAL LANDMARK DESIGNATION PROCESS IS DEVELOPED REALLY TO IMPLEMENT. UM, WE HAVE A, UM, HISTORIC PRESERVATION CHAPTER IN OUR GENERAL PLAN THAT IS LOOKING TO ENSURE THAT WE PROTECT AND PRESERVE OUR HISTORIC AND CULTURAL RESOURCES. ADDITIONALLY, WE HAVE A CHAPTER IN OUR IMPLEMENTING ZONING ORDINANCE THAT DEALS SPECIFICALLY WITH PRESERVATION OF CULTURAL AND HISTORIC ENVIRONMENT. AND IT'S WITHIN THAT CHAPTER, UM, THAT WE, UM, HAVE SECTION 15.040 THAT RUNS THROUGH THE DESIGNATION OF LOCAL LANDMARKS AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS, WHICH IS DONE BY ORDINANCE THROUGH A ZONING AMENDMENT. SO IN OUR CODE, UM, IT DISCUSSES WHO CAN INITIATE DESIGNATION. IT REQUIRES REVIEW BY OUR HISTORIC AND CULTURAL PRESERVATION COMMISSION SO THAT THEY CAN MAKE A RES RECOMMENDATION AND THEN TO PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THEIR RECOMMENDATION. AND THE DISCRETION LIES SOLELY WITH THE CITY COUNCIL, UM, BECAUSE IT IS A ZONING AMENDMENT. SO, UM, WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND HERE WE ARE TODAY, UM, TO PRESENT THAT TO THE COUNCIL FOR THEIR ACTION. SO, UM, AS MENTIONED, THE CITY COUNCIL'S ROLE IS REALLY TO CONSIDER THE RECOMMENDATIONS BY BOTH THE HISTORIC AND CULTURAL PRESERVATION COMMISSION COMMITTEE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, MAKE SURE THAT THE FINDINGS REQUIRED FOR ZONING AMENDMENTS, WHICH, UM, REQUIRES A FINDING OF CONFORMANCE WITH THE GENERAL PLAN AND A FINDING OF CONSISTENCY WITH PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE AND GENERAL WELFARE RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENT. IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING, AND THEN THE DECISION ON THE INTRODUCTION OF THE ZONING AMENDMENT. SO, AS BACKGROUND, UM, TO SET THE STAGE BACK IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR, THE CITY COUNCIL DID APPROVE ENTITLEMENTS FOR THE SCOTT RANCH PROJECT. UM, AND THERE ARE THREE OF THOSE THAT ARE PARTICULARLY PERTINENT TO TONIGHT'S. ITEM ONE WAS CERTIFYING THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT FOR THE WHOLE SCOTT RANCH PROJECT. UM, AND THAT DID INCLUDE, UM, ANALYSIS OF THE LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF THE RED BARN COMPLEX. UM, AS PART OF THAT, AND THERE WERE SPECIFIC, UM, MITIGATION MEASURES ABOUT, UM, UM, ENSURING THAT THOSE, UM, BARNS ARE PROTECTED. THERE WAS A RESOLUTION APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVING A MODIFICATION TO GENERAL PLAN, UH, WHICH MODIFIED POLICY TWO P 68 THAT HAD A SPECIFIC, UM, COMPONENT THAT, UM, CALLED FOR THE DESIGNATION OF THE RED BARNS, AND THEN ALSO IN THE RESOLUTION APPROVING THE VESTING TENTATIVE MAP, UM, THAT HAD A SPECIFIC, UM, CONDITION OF APPROVAL FOR CONSIDERATION. UM, SO KIND OF TOUCHING ON THAT, AGAIN, THE EIR UM, DETERMINED THAT THE RED BARN COMPLEX WAS NOT ELIGIBLE FOR DESIGNATION BASED ON CALIFORNIA REGISTER OR THE NATIONAL REGISTER, BUT DID, UM, INCLUDE DESIGNATION AT THE LOCAL LEVEL, UM, CONSISTENT WITH GENERAL PLAN POLICIES. AND IT ALSO ANALYZED THE RELOCATION OF THE BARNS, UM, TO FACILITATE STABILIZATION. SO RELOCATION ESSENTIALLY IN THE GENERAL SAME GENERAL AREA, UH, GENERAL PLAN, UM, AMENDMENT THAT WAS, THAT WAS APPROVED, HAS A COMPONENT THAT RES PRESERVE THE BARN COMPLEX, DESIGNATE THE COMPLEX HISTORIC, AND ENCOURAGE THE INCORPORATION OF A NATURE STUDY AREA RELOCATION IN THE SAME GENERAL AREA FOR PURPOSES OF STABILIZATION AND PRESERVATION SHALL BE ALLOWED. AND THEN FINALLY, CONDITION 10 OF THE VESTING TENTATIVE SUBDIVISION MAP APPROVAL, UM, CALLED FOR, UH, CITY COUNCIL'S DETERMINATION ON THE LOCAL LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF THE RED BARN COMPLEX. [01:35:02] SO THAT REALLY BRINGS US FULL CIRCLE TO WHY WE'RE HERE. UH, THIS IS A JUST KIND OF SETTING, UM, THE, THAT MAP CONTEXT, UM, OF THE EXISTING SITE. AND YOU'LL SEE IN THE, UM, SECOND GRAPHIC, IT IDENTIFIES PARCEL B AND PARCEL B IS THE APPROXIMATELY 47 ACRE PORTION OF THIS PROJECT THAT, UM, WILL BECOME PART OF THE REGIONAL PARK, UM, AND EXPANSION OF HELEN PUTNAM. AND THAT IS WHERE THE RED BARN COMPLEX IS LOCATED. UM, REALLY WHEN YOU ZOOM IN, THE RED BARN COMPLEX IS A SMALLER AREA CLOSER TO, UH, D AND WINDSOR, AND IS MADE UP OF THREE EXISTING RED BARNS, UM, THAT ARE GENERALLY CLUSTERED TOGETHER THERE AS SHOWN IN THE GRAPHIC. SO THE RED BARN COMPLEX HISTORICALLY COMPRISED OF RURAL AGRICULTURAL AND RANCHING LANDS, UH, IT IS LOCATED ON PARCEL B OF THE APPROVED SCOTT RANCH. SUBDIVISION PARCEL B WILL BE TRANSFERRED FROM DAVID ON HOMES TO EARTH ISLAND INSTITUTE, UM, FOR COMPLETION OF PHASE ONE PARK IMPROVEMENTS, UH, WHICH DOES INCLUDE STABILIZATION OF THE RED BARNS. UPON COMPLETION OF PHASE ONE IMPROVEMENTS, PARCEL B WILL BE THEN DEDICATED TO SONOMA COUNTY REGIONAL PARKS FOR THE EXPANSION OF HELEN PUTNAM REGIONAL PARKS. AND THIS, UH, SHOWS IN, OUTLINED IN RED THE BARN COMPLEX WITHIN THE, UM, CONCEPT PLAN FOR THAT 47 ACRE PARK AREA. SO, UM, LOOKING BACK AT THE REVIEW THUS FAR, THE HISTORIC AND CULTURAL PRESERVATION COMMITTEE CONSIDERED THE LANDMARK, UM, DESIGNATION IN SEPTEMBER, AND THEY DID, UH, UNANIMOUSLY APPROVE A RESOLUTION RECOMMENDING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMEND DESIGNATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL. THE HCPC UM, DISCUSSION REALLY FOCUSED ON AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT THE RED BARN COMPLEX ISN'T A TYPICAL HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION, UH, BECAUSE IT REALLY ISN'T, UM, HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT FOR THE SAME REASONS THAT A LOT OF OUR, UM, LANDMARKS ARE. UM, IT IS NOT ELIGIBLE UNDER STATE OR FEDERAL CRITERIA AND IT'S NOT ELIGIBLE, UM, OR, UM, IT'S NOT SIGNIFICANT FOR, LET'S SAY AN ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OR, UM, A, A CRAFTSMAN, BUT RATHER IT'S, UM, LOCAL IMPORTANCE IS REALLY, UM, THAT VISUAL REMINDER OF THE PETALUMA OF PETALUMA'S AGRICULTURAL HERITAGE. UM, SO THE HCPC DEFINITELY TALKED, UM, AND DISCUSSED WHETHER THE LANDMARK DESIGNATION WAS THE APPROPRIATE, UM, VEHICLE TO PRESERVE THE BARNS. AND THAT, AND THAT DISCUSSION, SINCE IT WASN'T, UM, LOOKING AT, LET'S SAY, UH, PRESERVING THAT EXACT DETAIL, UM, ON A CORNICE OR, UM, UH, A, A SPECIFIC, UM, MASTER CRAFTSMAN OR THOSE KIND OF, UM, ATTRIBUTES. UM, BUT AFTER DISCUSSION, REALLY THE HT PC UM, FELT CONFIDENT, UM, THAT CONSERVATION EASEMENT THAT WAS HAPPENING WOULDN'T BE ADEQUATE TO PRESERVE THE CHARACTER, AND THAT THE LOCAL LANDMARK DESIGNATION REALLY WAS THE BEST TOOL TO PRESERVE THE COMPLEX. UM, SO THEY DID RECOMMEND, UM, LOCAL LANDMARK DESIGNATION, UM, WITH SOME SUGGESTIONS FOR CLARIFYING THAT THE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE RED BARN COMPLEX IS NOT BASED ON UNIQUE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OR MASTER CRAFTSMAN, BUT REALLY THAT CONTRIBUTING CHARACTERISTIC OF THE THREE BARNS, THE GENERAL PROXIMITY TO EACH OTHER, AND THEIR CITING ON THE LARGER PROPERTY THAT VISUAL PROMINENCE, UH, FROM D STREET THAT YOU SEE WITH THE HILLS, THE OPEN HILLS BEHIND IT. UM, SO REALLY HONING IN ON WHAT IS UNIQUE AND SPECIAL ABOUT THIS PROPERTY. UH, SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION THEN CONSIDERED THE APPLICATION IN OCTOBER, AND AGAIN, UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED, UM, A RESOLUTION RECOMMENDING THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE ZONING AMENDMENT. UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, DID LOOK AT SOME REFINEMENTS TO ADDRESS WHAT THE HCPC HAD RECOMMENDED, UH, THE REFINEMENTS, UM, TO DISCUSSION OF THE LOCAL SIGNIFICANCE, UH, REFINEMENTS TO CONSIDERATION OF THOSE MINOR MODIFICATIONS THAT COULD BE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY. UM, AND THEN EXPLICITLY INCORPORATING THE MITIGATION MEASURES AROUND [01:40:01] CULTURAL RESOURCES THAT WERE IN THE, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT. SO WITH ALL ZONING AMENDMENTS, UM, THERE ARE REQUIRED FINDINGS, UM, THAT THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO MAKE. THESE ARE OUTLINED IN THE ORDINANCE THAT IS AT ATTACHMENT A, UM, FIRST BEING THAT THE ZONING AMENDMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR GENERAL PLAN. SO LOOKING AT, OBVIOUSLY POLICY TWO P 68 THAT DEALS SPECIFICALLY WITH THE RED BARNS AND DESIGNATING THEM HISTORIC. UM, ALSO LOOKING AT POLICY ONE P THREE, UM, IN TERMS OF PRESERVING THAT VIEW CORRIDOR, THAT EXISTING RURAL CHARACTER AND PICTURES VIEWS OF THE RED BARN COMPLEX, UM, AND POLICY THREE P ONE, UM, DESIGNATING THE RED BARNS, UM, TO REALLY PROTECT A UNIQUE AND IRREPLACEABLE CULTURAL HERITAGE OF PETALUMA PUBLIC NECESSITY AND CONVENIENCE. UM, FINDING THAT, UH, THE LANDMARK DESIGNATION IS CONSISTENT WITH THIS, IT SERVES TO PROTECT, UM, THROUGH PRESERVING AND ENHANCING THIS COLLECTION OF, OF BARNS. UM, AND FURTHER IMPLEMENTING CHAPTER 15 OF OUR IMPLEMENTING ZONING ORDINANCE. UM, ALSO LOOKED CLOSELY AT THE REQUIREMENTS FOR LOCAL LANDMARK DESIGNATION AND OUTLINED THOSE IN ADDITION, THE REQUIREMENTS OF A LOCAL LANDMARK DESIGNATION IN THE ORDINANCE THAT'S BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING. UM, FINALLY, SCOTT RANCH PROJECT COMPLIANCE THAT THIS LANDMARK DESIGNATION IS, UM, FURTHER IN CONDITION OF APPROVAL. 10 FROM THAT, UM, SUBDIVISION APPROVAL AS WELL AS INCORPORATING AND FURTHERING MITIGATION MEASURES FROM THE EIR. UM, AS MENTIONED SEVERAL TIMES, THERE WAS AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT CERTIFIED FOR THE LARGER SCOTT RANCH PROJECT, WHICH DID INCLUDE THIS LOCAL LANDMARK DESIGNATION. UM, SO NO FURTHER ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW WAS, WAS DONE, UM, AS PART OF THIS LANDMARK DESIGNATION STAFFED IT ALL THE PUBLIC NOTICING REQUIRED BY OUR ORDINANCE IN TERMS OF PUBLIC PUBLIC NOTIFICATION AND THE ARGUS COURIER MAILED NOTICES AND SIGNS INSTALLED ON THE SITE. AND WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS PROJECT, UM, SINCE THEN. SO IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT THE CITY COUNCIL INTRODUCE A ZONING AMENDMENT TO DESIGNATE THE RED BARN COMPLEX LOCATED ON PARCEL B OF THE APPROVED SCOTT RANCH SUBDIVISION, CONSISTENT WITH GENERAL PLAN POLICY TWO P 68, CONDITION OF APPROVAL NUMBER 10 OF CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION 20 23 0 2 5, AND AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HCPC AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION RESOLUTIONS. THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT. WE DO HAVE MEMBERS, UM, FROM KELLY CREEK PROTECTION AND REGIONAL PARKS HERE IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I I SEE THE, THIS EFFORT GOING FORWARD. DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, QUESTIONS FROM THE, UH, COUNCIL, COUNCIL MEMBER SHRI? UM, JUST A, A COUPLE QUESTIONS. UM, SO THE, UM, RED BARN DOES NEED TO GET MOVED A LITTLE BIT AWAY FROM THE, THE CREEK, AND I WAS JUST WONDERING, UM, HOW THAT'S GONNA BE DONE PIECE BY PIECE OR JUST LIFT UP THE WHOLE THING AND MOVE IT. UM, AND, UH, IS THIS STRUCTURE STABLE ENOUGH TO HANDLE THAT MOVEMENT? UM, I'M NOT SURE TAMARA OR JARED MIGHT HAVE A BETTER, UM, LIKE A MORE DETAILED ANSWER TO THAT. AND I WILL JUST NOTE THAT THERE ARE SPECIFIC MITIGATIONS IN THE EIR THAT REQUIRE THAT WE GET A REPORT, UM, FROM A QUALIFIED ARCHITECTURAL HISTORIAN, A HISTORICAL ARCHITECT, UM, THAT WOULD HAVE THOSE EXACT PLANS FOR REVIEW, UM, AND THEN MONITORING OUT ON THE SITE TOO AS IT'S DONE. BUT IF THERE'S MORE UPTODATE INPUT, TAMARA, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, TAMARA CALL WITH THE KELLY CREEK PROTECTION PROJECT AT THE EARTH ISLAND ISLAND INSTITUTE. UH, AND WE ARE GONNA BE DOING STUDIES TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT IT DOES NEED TO BE MOVED. IT IS, JUST LOOKING AT IT, YOU CAN SEE IF YOU'VE BEEN TO THE SITE THAT IT'S VERY CLOSE TO THE CREEK. AND SO IF THE, IF THE REPORTS DETERMINE THAT IT IS NOT STABLE, THEN WE WILL LOOK INTO MOVING IT. SO AT THIS POINT, UH, WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'LL BE MOVED, BUT WE WANTED TO ENSURE THAT THE GENERAL PLAN PROVISION ALLOWED SOME MOVEMENT IF THAT WERE NECESSARY TO EITHER PRESERVE THE BARNS OR PROTECT, YOU KNOW, PROTECT THE CREEK. GOOD. UM, THEN, UH, THERE IS, UH, SOME REFER REFERENCE TO A RESIDENCE [01:45:01] AND I, I'VE BEEN OUTSIDE, THERE'S, UH, ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE THAT WAS A, UM, THE COLLAPSE ARE BURNED DOWN, BUT THE RESIDENCE THAT IS THERE IS A PRETTY DILAPIDATED, IT LOOKS LIKE ALMOST LIKE A MOBILE HOME, UM, VERY, VERY MUCH WAY PAST ITS LIFESPAN. SO WHEN THEY SAY MOVE IT, DO WE MEAN REMOVE, UH, OR MOVE IT TO ANOTHER NEW LOCATION? UH, WHAT'S BEING REFERRED TO THERE? I'M GONNA DEFER TO TAMARA ON THIS ONE. YEAH. THAT, THAT WILL BE REMOVED COMPLETELY. SO IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MOVING, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BARN, THE, THE, SO THERE'S THREE BARNS IN THE RED BARN COMPLEX, AND THAT'S WHAT THE HISTORIC RED BARN COMPLEX REFERS TO. THE ONE, THE ONLY ONE, THE ONE THAT COULD BE MOVED WOULD BE THE ONE THAT'S LOOKS LIKE IT COULD BE FALLING INTO THE CREEK . SO THE HOME ITSELF IS NOT GONNA BE MOVED, IT'S JUST GONNA BE REMOVED. IT'S GOING TO, THAT MOBILE HOME IS GONNA BE REMOVED. THE, THE SLIDE SAID MOVED. SO THAT'S WHY I WAS A LITTLE WORRIED THAT IT MIGHT BE STAYING. I DON'T WANT IT'S STAYING REMOVED. RIGHT. NOT JUST MOVED. YEAH. OKAY. JUST, JUST CHECKING ON THAT, MAKE SURE THAT I GOT THAT CORRECT. AND THEN, UM, BESIDES THE THREE ACTUAL BUILDINGS THEMSELVES, UM, THERE'S LIKE THE, THE, THE ROADWAY THERE, THERE'S SOME FENCING STRUCTURES THAT ARE AROUND THAT LOOKS LIKE THEY WERE LIKE MAYBE ORIGINAL, UH, WOOD FENCES AND THE LIKE. UM, AND I'M SURE I'M, I'LL HEAR THIS, BUT, UH, ARE WE GONNA PRESERVE, ESPECIALLY IF WE HAVE TO MOVE THE BUILDING, WE'LL BE PRESERVING THOSE PIECES OF WOOD AND FENCING. UH, THERE'LL BE A WHOLE PLAN THAT'S GOING THROUGH SPAR APPROVALS THAT WILL INCLUDE THE DETAILS REGARDING THE FENCING. SO THE FENCING ISN'T AT ISSUE WITH RESPECT TO THE RED BARN COMPLEX AND THE LANDMARKING HERE. VERY GOOD, THANK YOU. UH, YEAH, I REALLY LIKE WHAT'S, WHAT'S HAPPENING. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR ON, ON WHAT, WHAT EXACTLY IS GETTING MOVED, WHAT'S BEING RETAINED AND, UM, AND HOW FAR THINGS ARE ARE GOING THERE. UM, SO IN THIS WHOLE PROCESS, IT'D BE NICE TO SEE NEW ROOFS ON THOSE TWO RATHER THAN THOSE TEMPORARY ROOFS ALSO AS WE'RE GOING FORWARD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER, UM, I WAS WONDERING THERE, UM, THE LANDMARK STATUS, UM, UH, DOES IT PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR FUNDING OR, YOU KNOW, IS THERE MAINTENANCE FUNDING AVAILABLE? UM, YOU KNOW, OFTEN WHEN YOU GET A HISTORICAL STRUCTURE, YOU NEED MAINTENANCE AND YOU NEED MORE LATER. UM, DOES LANDMARK STATUS CONTRIBUTE TO THAT OPPORTUNITY? UH, WE CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE ANY LOCAL, LIKE, UH, FUNDING FOR OUR LOCAL LANDMARK DESIGNATIONS. AND DO, UM, DO LOCAL DESIGNATIONS COUNT MUCH WHEN YOU APPLY FOR A STATE LEVEL GRANT OR NOT? NOT WITH HISTORIC PRESERVATION. SO THESE HAVE SPECIFICALLY BEEN DETERMINED NOT TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR, UM, CALIFORNIA REGISTER OR NATIONAL REGISTER. UM, SO IF SPECIFIC AROUND STATE OR FEDERAL, UM, FUNDING FOR HISTORIC RESOURCES, I WOULD GUESS THAT IT'S NOT GONNA BE AS COMPETITIVE GIVEN THAT THEY'RE NOT ELIGIBLE UNDER THOSE CRITERIA. OKAY. THANKS. UM, SO, UH, WITH NO OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE, THE AIAS LET'S, UH, GO TO OPENING, UM, PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE MATTER AND, UM, I'LL ASK THE CLERK IF WE'VE RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS IN AT A TIME. EXCUSE ME, MAYOR MCDONALD, NO COMMENTS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED AND, UM, I HAVE NO CARDS ON THE MATTER FROM OUR IN-HOUSE AUDIENCE. BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY. YEAH, I'M HAPPY TO MOVE THE ITEM. I'LL SECOND THAT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION FROM HEALY AND A SECOND FROM CATER THOMPSON. AND NOW WE'LL HAVE OUR ROLL CALL VOTE COUNCIL'S MEMBERS BARNACLE AYE. CATER THOMPSON? YES. HEALY? YES. NOW YES. SHRIVES? YES. MOTION PASSED SIX ONE. POST K IS RECUSED AND YES. OH, I'M SORRY, . SORRY. WE'RE HAVING TOO MUCH FUN UP HERE MCDONALD TONIGHT, SO, OKAY, GOOD. WE'RE, UM, WE'RE GOOD ON THAT. AND LET'S INVITE, UH, OUR COUNCIL MEMBER BACK TO THE ROOM AT THIS POINT AND, AND MOVE ON TO, UM, ITEM NINE, WHICH IS, UM, CONSIDERATION OF A RESOLUTION TO DIRECT INSTALLATION OF STORY POLLS TO EVALUATE POTENTIAL VISUAL EFFECTS OF THE PROPOSED HOTEL PROJECT, EKN APPALACHIAN HOTEL AT TWO PETALUMA BOULEVARD SOUTH. AND, UM, FOR OUR PRESENTATION TONIGHT, WE HAVE, UH, ANDREW TRIPLE PLANNING MANAGER TO, UH, TALK, TALK, WALK US THROUGH THIS. THANK YOU. GREAT. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU MAYOR, AND GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. UH, THIS EVENING'S PRESENTATION IS, UH, REFERRING TO THE AGENDA ITEM NINE, WHICH IS A, A DISCUSSION AND RESOLUTION, UH, TO CONSIDER A RESOLUTION DIRECTING INSTALLATION OF STORY POOLS TO EVALUATE POTENTIAL VISUAL EFFECTS [01:50:01] OF THE PROPOSED EKN APPALACHIAN HOTEL PROJECT. HANG ON JUST A MOMENT WHILE WE WAKE UP OUR PRESENTATION. THERE YOU GO. OKAY, GREAT. SO, UH, A BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THIS EVENING'S DISCUSSION AND RESOLUTION. UH, REFERENCE TO THE, UM, REQUIREMENT FOR STORY POLLS, UH, THAT COULD BE LEVIED ON A PROJECT BY A REVIEW AUTHORITY. THAT REVIEW AUTHORITY COULD BE THE, UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR PLANNING COMMISSION OR CITY COUNCIL WAS ESTABLISHED IN CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION NUMBER, UH, 2005 DASH 200 NCS, AND, UM, HAS BEEN USED SEVERAL TIMES IN THE CITY, UH, SINCE THE TIME THAT IT WAS ESTABLISHED, BUT IT'S NOT REGULARLY USED. UM, ADDITIONAL BACKGROUND IS REGARDING THE PROPOSED EKN APPALACHIAN HOTEL PROJECT LOCATED AT TWO PETALUMA BOULEVARD SOUTH. THAT PROJECT DOES PROPOSE A SIX STORY HOTEL, UH, A HUNDRED PERCENT LOT COVERAGE ON THE CORNER OF PETALUMA BOULEVARD SOUTH AND B STREET. AND FINALLY, THE, UM, THIS PARTICULAR PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION, UH, REFERS TO A COUNCIL REQUEST TO CONSIDER REQUIRING STORY PULLS FOR THE SUBJECT PROJECT. THE PRESENTATION WILL ALSO INCLUDE PROPOSALS AND ALTERNATIVES. UH, WE'LL BRIEFLY EXAMINE THE FINE BALANCE APPROACH THAT WAS USED TO MODEL, UM, THE PROPOSED INSTALLATION OF THE FINE BALANCE PUBLIC ART PROJECT. WE'LL CONSIDER A PROPOSAL THAT'S BEEN RECEIVED FROM CALIFORNIA STORY POLLS AND THEN LOOK AT ALTERNATIVES, RESEARCH THAT STAFF HAS CONDUCTED. AND SO, COUNCIL RESOLUTION NUMBER 2005 DASH 200 ESTABLISHED A POLICY TO EVALUATE THE POTENTIAL VISUAL EFFECTS OF PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS. AND THIS WOULD BE DOING SO BY DEPICTING THE LOCATION, THE MASS, THE BULK, THE HEIGHT, AND OTHER RELEVANT INFORMATIONS, UH, THROUGH INSTALLATION OF STORY PULLS. THE INSTALLATION REQUIREMENTS VARY AND THEY ARE ESTABLISHED BY THE REVIEW AUTHORITY AND PUBLIC NOTICING OF THE INSTALLED STORY PULLS IS REQUIRED. THE STORY POLES MUST BE INSTALLED FOR A MINIMUM OF 14 DAYS PRIOR TO A PROJECT PUBLIC HEARING. THE PROPOSED DKN APPALACHIAN HOTEL PROJECT, AGAIN LOCATED AT TWO PETALUMA BOULEVARD SOUTH, PROPOSES A 93 ROOM HOTEL WITH RESTAURANT AND A ROOFTOP LOUNGE. UH, IT WOULD INCLUDE 100% LOCK COVERAGE AS PROPOSED, AND A BUILDING HEIGHT OF 68 FEET, 10 INCHES AT ITS HIGHEST POINT. ITS HIGHEST POINT IS, UM, A POINT OF 68 FEET, 10 INCHES. THAT'S LOCATED ABOVE THE ACTUAL ROOFTOP, UH, DECK AREA, WHICH IS AN OPEN AIR LOUNGE ON TOP OF THIS STRUCTURE. SO THIS EVENING'S, UM, AGENDA ITEM WAS REQUESTED BY COUNCIL MEMBERS HEALEY, AND NOW ON OCTOBER 16TH. AND THE INSTALLATION PROPOSAL WAS RECEIVED BY COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY ON OCTOBER 23RD OF THIS YEAR. I WANNA DRAW ATTENTION TO SOME OF THE LANGUAGE OF RESOLUTION 200 UH, DASH ZERO FIVE IN THAT, UH, THE DIRECTION THAT IT PROVIDES TO REVIEW AUTHORITIES THAT ARE, ARE CONSIDERING A REQUEST FOR STORY POLE INSTALLATION. UM, IT SAYS THAT THE STORY POLE PLACEMENT MAY BE AS SIMPLE AS PLACING SEVERAL WOODEN POLES AT THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE, OR IT COULD INVOLVE A MORE COMPLEX ARRANGEMENT OF POLES THAT MAY BE CONNECTED BY, UH, SOME SORT OF BARRIER TAPE OR SIM. SIMILAR MATERIAL, UH, FLAG ROPE IS USED AND IN OTHER CITIES ALSO, UH, UH, COLORED NETTING IS USED PLASTIC NETTING. AND THEN ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT CORRESPONDS, UM, TO THE PROPOSED PROJECT WOULD BE PROVIDED IN A HANDOUT, UM, THAT MAY BE REQUIRED AND WOULD HAVE VARIOUS, UM, INFORMATIONAL ELEMENTS TO THAT AS WELL. AND THEN THE STRUCTURES FOOTPRINT WOULD BE OUTLINED ON THE GROUND IN CHALK OR A SIMILAR TYPE OF DISTINCTIVE MATERIAL. UM, IN REVIEWING THIS POLICY, IT'S CLEAR, ESPECIALLY IN SUBSECTION F THAT, UH, THE REVIEW AUTHORITY THAT IS, UH, CONSIDERING TO REQUIRE INSTALLATION OF STORY POLLS WOULD NEED TO PROVIDE INFORMATION AND MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT THE LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN OBSERVING THROUGH THE INSTALLATION OF THE, THE STORY POOLS. [01:55:02] AND SO, AS REFERENCE, WE HAVE BACKGROUND, UM, THE, UH, FINE BALANCE PROJECT MODELING THAT WE REFER TO BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT'S TELLS A STORY, RIGHT? IT'S USING AN INSTALLATION, A MODEL INSTALLATION TO TELL A STORY. AND SO IN THAT SENSE, IT, IT COULD BE CONSIDERED A STORY POLE INSTALL. UM, IT WAS APPROXIMATELY 23 FEET IN HEIGHT AND IT WAS A WEEKEND INSTALLATION, UH, WHERE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY COULD, UM, COULD WALK BY THE, THE, UH, MODEL AND OBSERVE IT AND, UH, PROVIDE COMMENT, TAKE PICTURES AND SO FORTH. SO THE PROPOSAL THAT, UH, STAFF REVIEWED IN ADVANCE OF THIS EVENING'S, UM, REVIEW WAS, UH, FROM CAL COASTAL ALSO, AND I BELIEVE IT'S THROUGH THEIR CALIFORNIA STORY POLES DIVISION. AND THEY PROPOSED TO INSTALL 23 POLES WITH FLAG ROPE CONNECTIONS. THERE WAS NO POLE SIZE ON THE SPECIFICATIONS. THEY ARE, THEY DID INDICATE THAT THERE WOULD BE A MINIMUM 15 FOOT SETBACK FROM ALL PROPERTY LINES, AND THAT STORY POLES AND WIRES WOULD ATTACH TO EXISTING DEVELOPMENT. PRESUMABLY THE POLES WOULD BE MOUNTED, UH, ON THE GROUND, AND THEN GUY WIRES WOULD BE USED TO HOLD THOSE POLES IN PLACE. UH, SINCE THERE IS NO EXISTING DEVELOPMENT ON THIS OTHERWISE VACANT SITE, UH, THEY DIDN'T MAKE ANY REFERENCE TO SEISMIC OR WIND PROTECTIONS. AND, UH, THEY DID PROVIDE EXAMPLES. UH, THE EXAMPLE TO THE IMAGE ON THE LEFT IS A 53 FOOT TALL INSTALLATION. AND THEN THE EXAMPLE IN THE IMAGE ON THE RIGHT IS A 64 FOOT TALL INSTALLATION. AND IT, UH, BASED UPON OBSERVATION, YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY DO HAVE A SECURITY AND FENCING INSTALLED AROUND THE PERIMETER, AND THAT THE POLES ARE, UH, VERY SIMPLE POLES, UM, QUITE, QUITE SMALL. AND THEN THE ONLY ESSENTIAL DETAIL ARE THE FLAG ROPES THAT ARE INSTALLED TO INDICATE, UH, VARYING BUILDING HEIGHTS, UM, PRESUMABLY EDGES OF THE TOPS OF THE STRUCTURES. AND SO STAFF THEN, WELL, THE, TO GIVE A BIT OF BACKGROUND, STAFF HAS, FOR THE EKN APPALACHIAN HOTEL PROJECT HAD ALREADY REQUIRED THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE, UH, SEVERAL FORMS OF PROJECT VISUAL, A VISUALIZATION, INCLUDING A VIEWSHED ANALYSIS FROM EIGHT DIFFERENT VIEWPOINTS IN THE, UH, DOWNTOWN AREA, AND, UM, AS WELL AS BUILDING RENDERINGS AND SHADOW STUDIES. WHEN STAFF RECEIVED THE, UH, THE REQUESTED DOCUMENTATION UPON REVIEW, WE DETERMINED THAT THE VIEW SHED ANALYSIS WERE NOT SUFFICIENT, UM, IN THAT THEY WERE NOT RENDERING THE PROPOSED PROJECT IN THE MANNER THAT, UH, STAFF SOUGHT TO, UH, REVIEW. AND SO ASKED THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE ANOTHER PROPOSAL. THE APPLICANT, UH, REQUESTED A PROPOSAL FROM FIRST CARBON SOLUTIONS, THEIR VISUAL ANALYTICS DIVISION. AND THIS PROPOSAL, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE LOWER IMAGES, USES A GROUND LEVEL, UM, IMAGES, IMAGERY THAT'S COLLECTED FROM CERTAIN VIEWPOINTS, AND THEN THEY RENDER IN THE, UM, THE, UH, PROPOSED PROJECT. AND WE CAN SEE THAT HERE IN THIS IMAGE ON THE RIGHT AT THE FAR END OF THE STREET, YOU CAN SEE THE PROJECT, UH, IMAGE THAT'S BEEN RENDERED IN USING A CAD FILES. SO WHAT THEY DO IS, IS IN CAD, THEY TAKE TWO D PHOTO MANIPULATION SOFTWARE. THE PHOTOS ARE MANIPULATED TO GIVE A REALISTIC, UH, HUMAN PERSPECTIVE FROM STREET LEVEL. UH, THEY USE GIS TO TO ENSURE THE ACCURACY OF THE RENDERING. AND THEN THEY DROP IN THE THREE D BUILDING, UM, INTO THE, THE RENDERED PHOTO. AND THE MODELS, UH, INCLUDE, UH, DESIGN FEATURES SUCH AS BUILDINGS, THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES, IF THEY'RE AVAILABLE FOR THE BUILDINGS, ROAD TREES, ANY PROPOSED LANDSCAPING, AS WELL AS OPEN SPACES, UH, TREES THAT MIGHT BE PROPOSED AS PART OF A PROJECT, UM, CAN BE SHOWN AT VARYING STAGES OF GROWTH ANYWHERE FROM 15 TO 25 TO 50 YEARS OF AGE, UH, DEPENDING ON WHAT IS WHAT IS, UM, REQUESTED. AND THEN IN ALL CASES, THEY PROVIDE, UH, BEFORE AND AFTER COMPARISONS. WHEN STAFF ORIGINALLY REQUESTED THE VIEWSHED ANALYSIS FOR THE PROJECT, UH, AGAIN, WE REQUESTED AT EIGHT LOCATIONS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. AND, UH, THE FIRST CARBON SOLUTIONS PROPOSAL IS BASED UPON THOSE EIGHT LOCATIONS. AND SO HERE'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE KELSEY AIR STATION IN SAN JOSE AT THE TOP. UH, THIS WAS PREPARED IN 2019, AND THIS IS A PERSPECTIVE FROM THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD THAT, UM, BEHIND WHICH THE, UH, THE KELSEY AIR STATION [02:00:01] WOULD BE LOCATED. AND THEN IN THE LOWER, UH, IMAGERY IS THE DEL UMBRA APARTMENTS IN CONTRA COSTA COUNTY. AND, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THIS DROPS THE IMAGE, THE RENDERED IMAGE OF THE BUILDING, AND AT TWO LOCATIONS, ONE DISTANCE ACROSS THE INTERSECTION WITH EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE IMAGE, AND THEN THE OTHER UP CLOSER THAT'S SHOWING, UH, SOME STREET TREES AS WELL AS STREET INFRASTRUCTURE. HOWEVER, THE, UH, THE SITE DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING THE BUILDING, IS FULLY RENDERED WITHIN THE IMAGE. AND SO OTHER ALTERNATIVES THAT WERE EXPLORED, STAFF REACHED OUT TO BC ENGINEERING, WHICH IS AN ENGINEERING FIRM BASED IN SANTA ROSA, UM, THAT INDICATED IN ITS, UH, SERVICES THAT IT DOES PROVIDE, UM, STORY PULL INSTALLATIONS IN DISCUSSION WITH THEM AND SHARING, UH, THE DETAILS OF THE PROJECT, UH, BC ENGINEERING STATED THAT THEY HAD NEVER DONE A STORY PULL INSTALLATION THAT TALL. THEY'RE TYPICALLY DOING, UH, STORY PULL INSTALLATIONS FOR, YOU KNOW, TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES, UM, IN HILLSIDE CONDITIONS OFTENTIMES, AND THAT THEY WERE UNSURE HOW, UH, WITHOUT USING A FAIRLY STAND SUBSTANTIAL POLE, UH, UH, A BUILDING HEIGHT OF 68 FEET COULD BE SHOWN USING A STORY POLE APPROACH. UH, ADDITIONALLY, THEY EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT SEISMIC AND WIND RATING, UH, GIVEN THE HEIGHT OF THE POLES, AND THEN, UM, THE MATERIALS USED TO CONNECT THE POLES. ANOTHER OPTION THAT, THAT THEY CONSIDERED AND THAT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD TO STAFF AS WELL, UH, THROUGH ANOTHER SOURCE, WAS THAT THE TOP LEVEL BUILDING FORM COULD BE, UH, CONSTRUCTED AND THEN SUSPENDED BY CRANE AT THE HEIGHT OF THE HIGHEST POINT OF THE BUILDING. AND THEN, UM, PERHAPS FLAG ROPES COULD BE USED TO IDENTIFY CORNERS AND TO, TO MODEL, UH, THE BUILDING TO SOME EXTENT IN LIEU OF A STORY POLE INSTALLATION. ANOTHER SUGGESTION THAT STAFF, UM, EVALUATED WAS WHAT'S REFERRED TO AS DRONE TO THREE D MODELING. AND WHAT THIS DOES IS IT USES DRONE AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHY TO TAKE A SERIES OF PHOTOGRA OF PHOTOGRAPHS TO CONSTRUCT A THREE D UH, PERSPECTIVE OF, UM, THE SITE AND THE SURROUNDING AREA. AND THEN YOU SITUATE THE PROPOSED PROJECT IN A THREE D FORMAT, UH, WITHIN THE, THE DRONE PHOTOGRAPHY IN ORDER TO GIVE YOU THE IMAGE ON THE RIGHT, WHICH IS A RENDERED THREE D IMAGE. A BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT, UM, THE OTHER, THE VISUAL SIMULATION APPROACH THAT FIRST CARBON SOLUTIONS IS DOING. THIS IS RELATIVELY NEW TECHNOLOGY. DRONES HAVE, HAVE NOT BEEN AROUND THAT LONG, UM, BUT IT DOES SEEM LIKE IT'S POSSIBLE AND, UH, WE ARE, WE ARE, UM, RESEARCHING, UM, CONSULTANTS WHO MAY BE ABLE TO DO THIS AS AN OPTION. AND SO FOR, FOR DISCUSSION, AND I THINK I WAS, UH, DURING MS. HINES PRESENTATION, I WAS REFLECTING THAT, UH, THIS EVENING'S DISCUSSION AND RESOLUTION IS RESPONDING TO A POLICY RATHER THAN A CLEAR PLANNING PROCESS FOR A DISCRETIONARY ENTITLEMENT APPLICATION. SO, UM, IT'S A BIT LESS STRUCTURED, BUT, UH, DISCUSSION COULD, UH, LOOK INTO THE STORY POOL REQUIREMENTS, INSTALLATION SPECIFICS, UM, SUCH AS, UH, TO WHAT EXTENT, UH, THE COUNCIL MAY WANT PARTICULAR FEATURES MODELED. FOR INSTANCE, UM, THE RE THE MINIMUM 15 FOOT REQUIRED SETBACK WOULD BE A DEVIATION FOR THE 100% LOCK COVERAGE OF THE BUILDING AS PROPOSED AND WOULD AFFECT, UM, THE 45 FOOT BUILDING HEIGHT, THE STEP BACK AT 45 FEET, AND THEN THE STEP BACK AGAIN AT 55 FEET AS THE, UH, BUILDING WOULD ACHIEVE 68 FEET AT ITS HIGHEST POINT. AND, UH, SO THAT'S FOR CONSIDERATION AS WELL AS TO THE EXTENT TO WHICH THE FLAG ROPES AS PROPOSED BY THE, UH, COASTAL PROPOSAL WOULD, UM, EFFECTIVELY, UM, RENDER THE BUILDING, UH, PERHAPS SO IN HEIGHT, BUT IN TERMS OF FORM AND, UM, BUILDING MASS AS WELL AS, UH, STEP BACKS AND SETBACKS. AND THEN ALSO TO CONSIDER THE ALTERNATIVES TO STORY PULLS THAT, UH, STAFF HAVE RESEARCHED. UM, ONE APPROACH AGAIN IS THE MODIFIED STORY PULL APPROACH, UH, TO ACHIEVE A HEIGHT VISUALIZATION, UM, THAT HEIGHT VISUALIZATION WOULD NOT FULLY, UH, VISUALIZE THE BUILDING IN TERMS OF FORM AND MASS, UM, OR IN TERMS OF UTILIZATION OF THE SITE. AND THEN A VISUAL SIMULATION AS DESCRIBED BY THE FIRST CARBON SOLUTIONS PROPOSAL ALL THE WAY TO THE FURTHEST EXTENT OF THE DRONE TO THREE D [02:05:01] MODELING, UM, THAT THAT STAFF HAVE FOUND IS POSSIBLE. AND SO WITH THAT, UH, STAFF RECOMMEND THAT CITY COUNCIL DISCUSS AND CONSIDER, UH, THE RESOLUTION DIRECTING INSTALLATION OF STORY POOLS TO EVALUATE THE POTENTIAL VISUAL EFFECTS OF THE PROPOSED EKN APPALACHIAN HOTEL PROJECT AT TWO PETALUMA BOULEVARD SOUTH. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, GREAT PRESENTATION. UH, LET'S BRING IT BACK UP HERE TO, UH, COUNCIL, SEE IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, THE RESEARCH YOU'VE DONE OR, UH, OTHER AND COUNCIL MEMBER HEALEY LET US OFF. THANK YOU. SO, UM, A COUPLE THINGS. UM, YOU, YOU MENTIONED THE, UM, THE BATHTUBS, UH, PROPOSAL, WHICH WAS BASICALLY A FEW PEOPLE HOLDING 23 FOOT POLES AND WALKING AROUND TO THE DIFFERENT BATHTUB LOCATIONS. IS STAFF SUGGESTING THAT THAT'S A VIABLE ALTERNATIVE FOR, FOR THIS, UM, PROPOSAL FOR PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY BE HOLDING 68 FOOT POLES AND WALKING AROUND WITH THEM? NO, NOT AT ALL, SIR. THAT WAS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST. OKAY. APPRECIATE THAT . UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF, TIME IS SHORT. UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS GONNA BE LOOKING AT THE OVERLAY ZONING, UM, NEXT WEEK. AND THE CITY COUNCIL IS, UM, SCHEDULED TO LOOK AT THIS THE FIRST WEEK MEETING IN DECEMBER, IF I'M NOT INCORRECT. UM, WOULD EITHER THE, THE DRONE PROPOSAL OR THE, UM, SUS SUSPENDED TOP STORY FROM A CRANE, IS THAT, ARE ANY OF EITHER OF THOSE THINGS THINGS THAT COULD BE DONE IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS? THE FIRST CARBON SOLUTIONS HAS INDICATED THAT THE VISUAL SIMULATIONS COULD BE COMPLETED. UM, THE, UH, THE, THE CRANE, THE TOP LEVEL CRANE SUSPENSION PRESUMABLY COULD BE, UM, CONSTRUCTED AND INSTALLED, UM, IN A TIMELY MANNER. THE DRONE TO THREE D MODELING, WE HAVEN'T IDENTIFIED A CONSULTANT WHO COULD, WHO COULD COMPLETE THAT. YEAH. SO EX EXPLAIN THE DRONE THING A LITTLE BIT. WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IT, I THOUGHT THERE WOULD BE MAYBE A SWARM OF DRONES SIMULATING THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING. IS THAT NOT WHAT YOU HAVE IN MIND? NO, NO. THE, WHAT THEY DO WITH THE DRONES IS THEY, THEY SHOOT A PHOTOGRAPHY OF THE SITE SURROUNDINGS TO CREATE A THREE D IMAGE OF NOT JUST THE SITE SPECIFIC, BUT THE SITE AND ITS SURROUNDING AND ENVIRON. SO THAT COULD BE FROM A VARIETY OF POINTS, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE CITY WOULD LIKE, UH, TO VISUALIZE THE CONTEXT AND THEN THEY ASSEMBLE THOSE AND THEN PUT THE, UM, PUT THE BUILDING INTO IT AS A THREE D MODEL. AND DID. THANK YOU. DID STAFF GET A COST ESTIMATE FOR THE CRANE, UM, WITH THE TOP STORY? NO, WE DIDN'T. UH, WE WERE LOOKING TO THIS EVENING'S DISCUSSION TO DIRECT STAFF ON ADDITIONAL REQUESTS FOR ESTIMATES FOR, FOR PROPOSALS AND FURTHER FOLLOW UP. OKAY. APPRECIATE THAT. I'LL SAVE MY COMMENTS UNTIL AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT. COUNCIL MEMBER SCHIBS. OKAY, THE FIRST QUESTION, UM, SO I NOTICED THAT THE POLLS WOULD NEED TO BE ON A 15 FOOT SETBACK AND GIVEN THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY, THAT'S PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL. SO WHAT IS THE ACTUAL, UM, LENGTH AND WIDTH OF THE, THE PROPERTY AND AND WHAT PERCENTAGE IS 15 FOOT? THAT'S 15 PLUS 15 FROM EITHER SIDE. THAT'S 30 FEET. SO 30 FEET RELATIVE TO HOW MANY FEET TOTAL? I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION RIGHT NOW BECAUSE, 'CAUSE I THINK I'VE, I'VE WALKED AND IT'S LESS THAN A HUNDRED FOOT IN ONE DIRECTION. YOU'RE CORRECT. AND LESS THAN 150 FOOT THE OTHER DIRECTION. UM, AND SO A 30 FOOT, A 15 PLUS 15 ON BOTH ON AROUND THE ENTIRE THING, UM, WOULD SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGE THE VIEW, UH, COMPARED TO THE, THE ACTUAL SIZE OF THE BUILDING, THE MASS OF THE BUILDING. SO THAT, THAT IS A CONCERN OF MINE. SO IF THAT'S A, A 15 FOOT SETBACK IS, IS IS VERY SUBSTANTIAL. SO WE NEED, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOW MUCH IMPACT THAT WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE IN THE ACTUAL VOLUME. 'CAUSE I THINK IF YOU HAVE 15 FOOT SETBACK, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAYBE THE BUILDING ITSELF WOULD BE 50% VOLUME WISE OF THE POLES COMPARED THE ACTUAL BUILDING ITSELF. UM, BECAUSE OF, OF THE WAY THE VOLUME AND SURFACE VOLUME RATIO WORKS. 'CAUSE YOU'RE REALLY REDUCING DOWN THE, UM, THE SIZE DOWN THERE. SO, UH, THE VOLUME WOULD BE EXTREMELY REDUCED WITH THE POLES, UM, WITH A 15 FOOT SETBACK. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT CALCULATED OUT. 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK THE POLES ARE GOING TO BE, UM, REPRESENTING THE ACTUAL WHEEL BUILDING, UH, BECAUSE OF THAT. THEN THE, UM, OTHER ONE, A COUPLE QUESTIONS ON THE, UM, THE DRONES WAS TAKING THE PICTURES NOW, IF IT'S A LIDAR TYPE OF PHOTOGRAPHY WHERE THEY'RE ACTUALLY GETTING DISTANCES AND SHAPES OF ALL THE ITEMS AND THEN PRODUCING A THREE D AS COMPARED TO A, UM, JUST A, A TOP VIEW, A BIRD'S EYE VIEW OF THE WHOLE AREA AND, AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE FROM, FROM A TOP VIEW. AND THAT WOULD BE, UH, NOT SO GOOD. WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE IS ACTUALLY A LIDAR STYLE OF PHOTOGRAPHY THAT WOULD LOOK AT THREE D [02:10:01] AND THEN THE FINAL THREE D WOULD BE VIEWABLE FROM ANY DIRECTION FROM ANY SITE, EVEN BELOW GROUND. YOU WOULD ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE BUILDING FROM BELOW GROUND AND SEE WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE AT EYE LEVEL AND AT TOP LEVEL FROM VARIOUS BUILDINGS. SO PLACE MYSELF ON THIRD STORY OF BUILDING OVER THERE. SO, UM, SO I'M CONCERNED THAT, THAT WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH THE DRONE PHOTOGRAPHY IS ONLY GONNA GIVE US A VIEW ANGLED DOWN FOR THAT. SO I JUST WANNA CHECK WITH THAT, JUST TO HAVE YOU ASK THEM ABOUT THAT. OKAY. UM, THE OTHER THING, UM, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I SUGGESTED WAS ACTUALLY JUST DOING A, A DRONE CLOUD LIKE WE HAVE ON FIREWORKS DISPLAYS NOW THAT ARE BEING DONE, WHICH COULD BE DONE PRETTY EASILY, I WOULD THINK, BY SOMEONE THAT DOES FIREWORKS DISPLAYS WITH DRONES. UH, WE COULD ACTUALLY HAVE A DRONE ARMY, UM, SET UP AND ACTUALLY RUN SEVERAL HOURS PER DAY WITH AND WITHOUT LIGHTS, WITH STREAMERS ON 'EM, UM, OVER A WEEKEND OR EVEN TWO WEEKENDS BE A WHOLE LOT CHEAPER THAN PUTTING UP THE POLES, I WOULD THINK. UM, HAVE YOU INVESTIGATED THE ACTUAL A DRONE CLOUD DEMONSTRATION OF JUST SHOWING THE ACTUAL SHAPE OF THE BUILDING USING DRONES RATHER THAN PULSE? HAVE YOU DONE THAT? UH, NO, WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT. THIS WAS THE FIRST I HEARD ABOUT THE, UH, DRONE CLOUD. OKAY. THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS. SURE. I, I PUT IN, UM, LET'S SEE. UM, I'LL SAVE MINE FOR THE, UM, UH, REST OF US FOR COMMENT LATER. THANK YOU. UM, I GUESS I WAS, UM, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, UM, WHAT OUR GOAL IS HERE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE HERE AND, AND YOU KNOW, HOW THESE THINGS WOULD MEET THAT OR NOT MEET THAT. AND SO, UM, THE AMOUNT OF TIME EXPOSURE WAS SOMETHING THAT WORRIED ME. UM, AND I WAS THINKING THAT, UM, THE, THE THREE D MODELING, UM, WITH THE JIS, UH, LINKAGE TO IT AND THINGS COULD BE PUBLISHED AND PUB PUBLIC FOR A MORE ENDURING PERIOD. BUT THE, THE STORY POLL WAS, UM, UM, DID YOU HAVE A TIMEFRAME SET ON THAT? ARE THEY INDETERMINATE IN INSTALL TIME? THEY, THE, THE INSTALL IS FOR UP TO 40 DAYS. OKAY. SO AFTER 40 DAYS, I BELIEVE THAT YOU, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD REQUEST AN EXTENSION IF YOU WANTED TO RETAIN THE STORY POLES, UM, INSTALLED. SO, UH, AND THE, UH, POLICY, THE RESOLUTION THAT ESTABLISHES THE POLICY DIRECTS THAT IT, IT HAS TO BE INSTALLED FOR AT LEAST 14 DAYS AND, AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY COSTS FOR THE, UH, UM, THE FIRST CARBON PROPOSAL OR, OR OTHER TECHNOLOGICAL PROPOSAL. YEAH. WE DON'T HAVE THOSE COSTS YET. RIGHT. WELL, I BELIEVE, UH, THE FIRST CARBON PROPOSAL WOULD BE MORE THAN 50% LESS THAN THE STORY POLE INSTALL. DO YOU HAVE DATA, DATA ON THAT? UH, THEY SAID THEY COULD HAVE THAT BY, UH, THE END OF THE MONTH. YES. I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S ONE QUESTION AS WELL. UM, WHEN, SO THERE WOULD BE TWO, WELL, A SERIES OF PUBLIC HEARINGS COMING UP, BUT, UH, NOVEMBER 14TH, THE, THE DOWNTOWN OVERLAY IS AGENDIZED FOR, UH, REVIEW BY PLANNING COMMISSION AND HCPC FOR RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL FOR THE OVERLAY ONLY. AND THEN, UM, THE HOTEL PROJECT IS TENTATIVELY FOR, UH, DECEMBER 12TH REVIEW BY A, A JOINT AT A JOINT PUBLIC HEARING OF PLANNING COMMISSION AND HCPC. SO ONE QUESTION IS, IS THE PURPOSE OF THE, THE STORY PULL REQUEST TO MODEL THE BUILDING FORM, UM, AT HEIGHT AND MASS FOR THE OVERLAY AND FOR THE HOTEL PUBLIC HEARINGS OR FOR THE HOTEL PUBLIC HEARINGS? SO THAT WOULD DEPEND THEN ON, UM, SCHEDULING OF THE STORY PULL INSTALL AND THE LENGTH OF TIME THAT THE INSTALL WOULD BE IN PLACE. SO HELP ME OUT AND MAYBE REPEAT, REPEAT AND CLARIFY FOR ME. SURE. THE, THE, UM, NOVEMBER 14TH PLANNING MEETING, W WILL THEY HAVE AN ACTION ON THE HOTEL AT THAT MEETING? NO, THEY WON'T. NO. SO, UH, WHEN WE FIRST BROUGHT THE COMBINED PROJECTS FORWARD TO, UH, A STUDY SESSION, IT WAS A JOINT STUDY SESSION OF PLANNING COMMISSION AND HCPC, UH, THEY DIRECTED STAFF TO SEPARATE THE PROJECTS BECAUSE THEY FELT THAT IT WAS TOO CONFUSING, UH, TO REVIEW BOTH OF THEM TOGETHER, ALTHOUGH THERE IS A CONTEXTUAL COMPONENT OF UNDERSTANDING THE OVERLAY IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE HOTEL AND VICE VERSA. SO, UH, ACTING UPON THAT DIRECTION, STAFF HAS, UM, PRESENTED THE PROJECT SEPARATELY, BUT CONTINUED TO, UM, PURSUE REVIEW OF BOTH OF THE PROJECTS BECAUSE THEY ARE APPLICATIONS BEFORE US. SO AS THEY COME FORWARD FOR, UH, HCPC AND PLANNING RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL, THEY COME FORWARD [02:15:01] AS SEPARATE PROJECTS. THE OVERLAY FIRST, THEN THE OVERLAY IS TENTATIVELY AGENDIZED TO COME BEFORE COUNCIL AT A FIRST READING ON DECEMBER 4TH. AND THEN THE REQUIRED, UM, PLANNING DISCRETIONARY ENTITLEMENTS, CONDITIONAL USE FOR BUILDING HEIGHT AND LOT COVERAGE SHOULD THE OVERLAY PASS THROUGH THE FIRST READING OF A COUNCIL. AND THEN, UM, HISTORIC SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, UH, WOULD TAKE PLACE ON DECEMBER 12TH. OKAY. AND THEN, UM, WHAT'S THE CURRENT STATUS OF THE, THE ZONING ORDINANCE? UM, IS EVERYTHING OVER FOUR STORIES? UM, DISCRETIONARY IN THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE AS, AS CRAFTED TODAY? UH, THAT'S CORRECT. AS DRAFTED, UM, ANYTHING OVER THE EXISTING PERMITTED HEIGHT OF 45 FEET, UH, DOES REQUIRE, UM, CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL. MM-HMM. BY PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL AS ANY LOT COVERAGE OVER 80%, WHICH IS CURRENTLY PERMITTED. RIGHT. SO, UM, IN ALL ASPECTS, THE, UH, THE OVERLAY AS PROPOSED DOES NOT INCREASE WHAT'S PERMITTED BY RIGHT. IT WOULD ALLOW IT SUBJECT TO DISCRETIONARY REVIEW. GOOD POINT. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER HEALEY. THANK YOU. SO I THINK PART OF THE REASON WHY, UM, TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE HERE IS AS WE'VE DISCUSSED BEFORE, UM, THE OVERLAY ZONING MAY BE THE CITY COUNCIL'S ONLY OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN ON, ON THE HOTEL. UM, BECAUSE AS I UNDERSTAND IT, UM, IF, IF IT GOES, IF THE OVERLAY ZONING GOES FORWARD, UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL BE EMPOWERED TO PROVIDE THE FINAL APPROVALS, UM, FOR THE HOTEL. AND IT WOULD ONLY COME TO US IF, IF THERE WAS AN APPEAL. SO, CORRECT. WELL, THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND HCPC, RIGHT. WELL, RIGHT. BUT IT WOULD NEVER COME TO THE CITY COUNCIL UNLESS THERE WAS AN APPEAL. SO I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, PUTTING OUT THIS HOTEL THING IN, IN BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS A LITTLE BIT OF A RED HERRING. UM, SO I, I DID DO, I DO THINK TIME IS, UH, OF THE ESSENCE HERE. THANK YOU. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE ZONING ORDINANCE, THE DISCRETIONARY APPROVALS CONCLUDE AT THE, AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RATHER THAN COUNCIL FOR THE, UH, ADDITIONAL STORIES. OKAY. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BARNARD, UM, POSE. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. UM, YEAH, I HAD THE SAME CONCERN AS, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER SHRIVES IN TERMS OF THE, UH, LACK OF MASS, YOU KNOW, IN A, IN A STORY POLE SITUATION WITH EVERYTHING SET BACK. AND, UH, SO, BUT I WASN'T SURE IF, IF IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SET BACK 15 FEET JUST FROM STREET FRONTAGES OR FROM ALL SIDES. WELL, YOU, YOU DID SAY PROPERTY LINE, RIGHT? ALL PROPERTY LINES, RIGHT? CORRECT. WE UNDERSTAND IT TO BE PROPERTY LINE. I WASN'T, I MISSED SOME OF THAT. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT, THAT THE STANDARD STORY POLE SET UP WOULD BE PRONE TO BE, UM, DISCOUNTED BY FOLKS THAT DIDN'T COME OUT ON WHAT THEY CONSIDERED TO BE THE RIGHT SIDE OF IT. AND, UH, AS I THINK ABOUT THE, THE PROJECTS PROPOSED, THE CRANE THING SEEMS TO ME, UM, YOU KNOW THAT YEAH, YEAH. THE, THE SUSPENSION FROM A CRANE BASED ON PHOTOGRAPHS TAKEN BY AN ARMY OF DRONES, UH, OR MAYBE JUST A SINGLE DRAWER, UM, SEEMS TO ME THAT WOULD GIVE US, UH, A TOP, A TOP, UH, PICTURE, UH, AS SEEN FROM THE STREET, MOST SIMILAR TO WHAT A CLASSIC STORY POLES THING WOULD DO. AND, AND SO I'M, I, I HAVE A STRONG LEANING TOWARDS THAT AS SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA, GOING TO SATISFY EVERYONE THAT LOOKS AT IT. THAT'S, AND LET'S GO TO A PUBLIC COMMENT QUESTION OR COMMENT QUESTION QUESTIONS. OH, OKAY. GO FOR IT. OKAY. UM, ON THE OTHER ALTERNATIVES THAT, THAT I ACTUALLY CONSIDERED AND ACTUALLY SENT IN, UM, ONE WAS BECAUSE I FOUND OUT THAT THE, UH, FIRE LADDER TRUCK REACHES, CAN, REACHES A HUNDRED FOOT LADDER AND CAN EASILY REACH, UH, ALL THE WAY UP TO THE TOP. HAVE YOU CONSIDERED JUST USING THE FIRETRUCK AND A FIRETRUCK LADDER AND THEN PUTTING IT TO WHERE THE, THE HIGHEST POINT IS? UM, AND THEN MAYBE EVEN PUTTING IN SOME LIGHT AND SOUND ON THE TOP OF THAT, BECAUSE I'M, I'M ALSO NOT JUST THE VIEW OF THE MASS, BUT THE, UM, GLASS BUILDING WITH LOTS OF LIGHTS AT THE TOP OF THE RESTAURANT AT 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, AND ALSO THE SOUND OF A BAND PLAYING UP THERE, SIX STORIES UP AND HOW THAT CARRIES. SO IF WE DO ANYTHING, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME SORT OF LIGHTER SOUND. SO HAVE YOU CONSIDERED LIGHT AND SOUND IN ANY OF THESE ALTERNATIVES OF PRODUCING THAT UP THERE AT THE VERY TOP, WHERE THE RESTAURANT WOULD BE AS PART OF THE, THE, THE STORY? IS THAT GONNA BE PART OF IT OR NOT? SURE. NO, IT, IT WOULDN'T BE AT THIS POINT IN TIME AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, STAFF WAS REALLY GUIDED BY THE STORY POOL POLICY, AND THE POLICY SAYS THAT THE INFORMATION SHOULD DEPICT, UH, THE LOCATION, HEIGHT, BULK MASSING, AND FINISHED FLOOR HEIGHT. SO WE WERE REALLY LOOKING FOR SOLUTIONS THAT WOULD DEPICT THOSE PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS OF THE BUILDING AS OPPOSED TO THE [02:20:01] OPERATIONAL, UH, CHARACTERISTICS OR PERFORMANCE CHARACTERISTICS THAT WOULD BE, UM, EXHIBITED THROUGH SOUND OR THROUGH LIGHT. OKAY. UM, ANOTHER THING, ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE I, I PUT IN WAS FOR, UM, USING GOOGLE EARTH AND SOME AI, UH, COMPUTERIZATION THAT COULD BE EASILY DUBBED IN. 'CAUSE I'VE SEEN, UM, GOOGLE EARTH HAS SUBROUTINES NOT JUST SHOWING THE SATELLITE IMAGERY FROM THE TOP, WHATEVER, BUT ACTUALLY, UH, IN OCEANOGRAPHY YOU CAN ACTUALLY GO DOWN AND LOOK AT THE OCEAN BASIN IN THREE D AND LOOK AT STRUCTURES IN THREE D IN ANY POSITION THAT YOU WANT, IN ANY MOUNTAIN. MM-HMM. UNDER THE OCEAN. I'VE SEEN THAT YEARS AGO, AND I'M, NO, AND I, I EVEN SUBMITTED A, A ROUTINE, UH, GOOGLE HAS TO DO THAT, UM, TO BE, SO JUST PUTTING IN USING SOME AI AND SOME, UH, AN ACTUAL GOOGLE EARTH, THERE, THERE MAY BE A VERY SIMPLE, EASY WAY OF CREATING A THREE D MAP THAT WAY AND, UH, UM, IN GOOGLE EARTH. AND THEN, UM, AND THEN WE COULD VIEW IT FROM ANY ANGLE ANYWHERE IN THREE D. UM, 'CAUSE UM, I'LL SAY, WELL, THE COMMENT I WOULD HAVE IS THAT EVERY, THE EIGHT POINTS THAT THEY HAVE IN THE MAPPING THEY'VE DONE, THEY'RE ALWAYS BEHIND A TREE INSTEAD OF IN FRONT OF A TREE, WHICH IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE. AND THEY'RE ALL TOO FAR AWAY, NOT UP CLOSE, UM, FROM ALL THEIR VIEW SCAPES. AND SO THAT IS ALSO VERY BAD PERSPECTIVE ON THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE, THAT WE'VE BEEN SEEN IN THE PICTURES. SO I'M, UM, NOT VERY, I'M VERY DISPLEASED WITH THE, THE POINTS THAT WERE CHOSEN. UM, THEY DIDN'T SHOW THE POINTS THAT I WOULD'VE CHOSEN. UM, AND I WOULD'VE CHOSEN A LOT MORE POINTS, AND I COULD EITHER GO DOWN THERE AND TAKE PHOTOGRAPHS MYSELF AND PRODUCE IT PROBABLY PRETTY EASILY MYSELF. IF I HAD TO, UH, FROM MANY ANGLES, A HUNDRED DIFFERENT ANGLES, EVEN A VIDEO TYPE THING COULD BE DONE. UM, IT'S NOT GONNA BE THAT HARD, LESS THAN 50,000 QUESTIONS. THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS, UH, WHAT WAS NOT CLEAR TO ME IN THE DOCUMENTS IS WHO'S PAYING THE $50,000 FOR THE POLLS, THE CITY OR THE DEVELOPER, AND HAVE THE DEVELOPERS AGREED TO PAY FOR THE, THIS WOULD BE REQUIRED OF THE APPLICANT AS REQUIRED, UH, SUBMITTAL INFORMATION, AND SO THE APPLICANT WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE COST. SO IF, IF WE ARE REQUIRING THAT OF THE APPLICANT, IS THE APPLICANT GOOD WITH THAT, OR HAVE WE TALKED TO THE APPLICANT? WOULD THEY BE WILLING TO DO IT IF WE ASKED THEM TO DO IT? WE HAVEN'T, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION TO TAKE TO THE APPLICANT TO ASK THEM THAT QUESTION. SO IT WAS REALLY PENDING THIS EVENING'S DISCUSSION IF THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO DO THAT. OKAY. AND THEN, UH, A QUESTION JUST FOR YOU PERSONALLY, UM, ON THE STORY POLLS, DO YOU FEEL THAT THE STORY POLLS, IF WE PUT THEM UP AT THIS POINT IN TIME, DO YOU FEEL GIVEN THE PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT THE STORY POLLS WOULD BE, UM, TRYING TO RELIEVE SOME OF THE TENSIONS THAT ARE OUT THERE? OR JUST THE OPPOSITE? WHAT, WHAT DO YOU THINK PERSONALLY ABOUT THAT? WELL, I DON'T THINK THAT I WOULD GIVE MY PERSONAL OPINION. I THINK MY PROFESSIONAL YOUR PROFESSIONAL WOULD BE FINE TOO. MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION IS, IS, UH, WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS, THIS SETTING. AND, UM, MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION IS THAT IT, IT COULD HELP OR IT COULD FURTHER, UH, IT COULD FURTHER SOLIDIFY PUBLIC OPINION. IT'S STORY POLLS ARE AN OPTION TO VISUALIZE. THERE'S OTHER OPTIONS AS WELL, UM, THAT COULD BE USED. AND SO I, I THINK THAT IT, IT ADDS INFORMATION TO THE, THE PROJECT INFORMATION THAT'S AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC, BUT I, I WOULDN'T, UH, I WOULDN'T FEEL IT APPROPRIATE OR THAT, THAT, UM, I COULD SURMISE ABOUT HOW IT MIGHT SHIFT PUBLIC PERCEPTION. YEAH. THANK YOU. OKAY, LET'S GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT HERE. I HAVE, UH, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 CARDS AND MAYBE A SIX COMING. AND, UM, SO, UM, WE'RE SETTING THE CLOCK FOR THREE MINUTES FOR EACH SPEAKER. THE, UH, FIRST SPEAKER I HAVE IS CHRISTINE WHITE. UM, IT NOTES, UM, THIS IS FOR REZONING, AND, UH, I, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT. I WOULD HAVE TO STOP YOU IF YOU SAID REZONING. DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT STORY PULLS OR THE, I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE HOTEL. THE HOTEL WAS DURING GENERAL COMMENT, I MADE SEVERAL OVERTURES TO ALLOW FOR COMMENT. PARDON? SO I AM NOT ALLOWED TO SPEAK, OR YOU, YOU MAY NOT, YOU MAY STAY ON TARGET. WE STAY ON ON TOPIC, WHICH IS THE STORY POLLS AND STORY POLLS ONLY AS, UM, OUR, WE HAVE A POLICY, WE'RE TRYING TO DECIDE WHAT TO IMPLEMENT FOR THIS PROJECT, THE STORY POLLS. OKAY. WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU CHRISTINE WHITE, FOR HAVING THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. I APPRECIATE THAT YOU ALL ARE LOOKING AT THE STORY POLLS, BECAUSE THAT ACTUALLY CAME OUT OF A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING THAT I ATTENDED, AND THEY ASKED, CAN WE GET SOME STORY POLLS OR SOMETHING TO HAVE THE PUBLIC BE AWARE OF REALLY WHAT 68 FEET IS? BECAUSE TO THE, TO MY MYSELF, IT'S NOT SOMETHING I THINK ABOUT. SO I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HOW CAN WE REALLY REPRESENT WHAT THIS HOTEL [02:25:01] IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE NEXT TO A ONE STORY BUILDING IN A HISTORIC DOWNTOWN. UM, I WOULD DEFER TO YOU AND SAY, I DISAGREE WHEN YOU SAY, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO DO WITH THE REZONING, BECAUSE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT DOING SOMETHING TO AN ENTIRE COUPLE OF BLOCKS OF THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC AREA, WHERE THE 68 FEET MAY IN FACT EXTEND FARTHER THAN JUST THAT HOTEL. SO THIS WILL GIVE THE FIRST PERSPECTIVE, IF NOT FOR, FOR ALL OF IT. BUT I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT WAYS. THANK YOU. UM, MR. SCHIBS, SCRI SCHIBS, FOR ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS AND ALL OF YOUR OPTIONS ON HOW WE CAN REALLY MAKE THIS WORK. SEEMS LIKE WE COULD PROJECT SOMETHING IF WE COULD GET IT THERE, BUT, UH, IT'S HARD TO TAKE OUR HISTORIC DOWNTOWN THAT HAS A PRESERVATION NATIONAL REGISTRY FOR FOUR STORIES, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU WANNA EXTEND IT TO SIX. AND I QUESTION WHY. YOU KNOW, AND I HOPE THAT THE STORY POLLS TELL THAT STORY BECAUSE WE ARE HISTORIC. YOU'RE DOING A GREAT THING WITH YOU JUST APPROVED THE RED BARN, AND THAT'S HISTORIC PRESERVATION FOR THE CITY OF PETALUMA. WHY NOT PRESERVE OUR DOWNTOWN AS WELL? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS LYDIA ASLAN, AND TO BE FOLLOWED BY JANE HAMILTON. GOOD EVENING. UM, I'M LYDIA ASLAN, AND, UM, I'M HERE TO ADD MY THUMBS UP FOR STORY POLLS OR SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT CONGRESS COUNCIL MEMBER SHREVES IS TALKING ABOUT. I, I'M, UH, OVER THE COURSE OF MY 40 YEARS AS AN ARCHITECT, I, I, I'M, I'M ASTOUNDED, ALWAYS ASTOUNDED AT HOW MANY PEOPLE I MEET THAT CANNOT VISUALIZE, THEY CANNOT TAKE TWO D TO THREE D AND THEY CAN'T EVEN VISUALIZE SOMETHING IN A BLANK FIELD, WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE WHEN IT GETS BUILT. SO THERE'S SOMETHING, THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT ARCHITECTURAL RENDERINGS THAT ARE, THAT ARE DON'T REALLY, DON'T REALLY HELP THAT FOR SOMEBODY TO STAND ON THAT SITE AND LOOK UP AND SAY, I MEAN, MAYBE WHAT WE NEED IS A BIG INFLATABLE BOUNCY HOUSE THAT WE CAN JUST LIKE, HAVE A BIG, HAVE A BIG PARTY. UM, RENDERINGS DON'T DO IT BECAUSE THEY DON'T ALWAYS SHOW THE FULL CONTEXT OF WHAT'S TWO BLOCKS HERE OR TWO BLOCKS THERE. UM, SO I, I THINK STORY POLLS OR SOMETHING SIMILAR, A DRONE SWARM, A A DRONE LIGHT SHOW, UH, BE AN EXCELLENT WAY FOR NEIGHBORS, PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY TO STAND DOWNTOWN AND LOOK AT THAT SITE, UH, AND ADDRESS THE KIND OF STREET LEVEL FEARS THAT AN AWFUL LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY HAVE ABOUT A POTENTIAL 67% JUMP IN ALLOWABLE BUILDING HEIGHT THAT COULD COME WITH THIS ZONING OVERLAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU JANE HAMILTON TO BE FOLLOWED BY DAVE ALDEN, BREAKING UP THE PLACE. . UH, THANKS FOR BEING HERE, EVERYBODY. UH, I APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE FOR YOUR $5 A MEETING THAT YOU GET. UH, I THINK A PHYSICAL ONSITE REPRESENTATION NEEDS TO HAPPEN FOR THIS COMMUNITY. PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S UP FOR TWO WEEKS, PERHAPS PEOPLE WILL GET USED TO IT AND SAY IT'S GREAT, OR PERHAPS THEY WILL, YOU KNOW, LIKE, AS TO YOUR QUESTION, YOU KNOW, WOULD IT MAKE THINGS BETTER OR WORSE IN TERMS OF PUBLIC OPINION? WELL, WE DON'T KNOW, BUT I THINK THAT YOU OWE IT TO THE COMMUNITY TO PROVIDE SOME SORT OF ONSITE REPRESENTATION, NOT JUST FOR THE HOTEL, BECAUSE THE HOTEL IS JUST ONE SMALL PART OF THE WHOLE, THIS WHOLE PACKAGE. IT'S, THERE NEEDS TO BE THE SAME DONE IN EACH OVERLAY ZONE SO THAT PEOPLE CAN SEE, OH, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE ON, ON, UH, WESTERN, AND, YOU KNOW, UH, WHAT IS IT, KELLER? YOU KNOW, JUST SOMETHING THAT WOULD SHOW, WELL, THIS IS HOW HIGH WE WANT TO GO. I THINK THE PROPOSAL IS ONLY HOTEL, AND I HAVE TO FOCUS YOU ON HOTEL. HMM. THE STORY PULLED DISCUSSION, SUBJECT MATTER TONIGHT IS THE HOTEL STORY. IT'S FOR THE HOTEL, BUT ALSO WHEN YOU LAY OUT THE TIMELINE, WHY DOES IT, YOU KNOW, THAT ISN'T, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO ALL BE DECIDED IN DECEMBER. WE, YOU COULD TAKE ENOUGH TIME TO MAKE THIS DECISION AND TO GIVE THE COMMUNITY ENOUGH TIME TO COME ALONG WITH THE DECISION OR TO UNDERSTAND THE DECISION OR TO QUESTION THE DECISION. SO I LIKED COUNCIL MEMBER SRI'S SUGGESTIONS AND QUESTIONS ABOUT OTHER WAYS THAT IT COULD BE DONE. AND I JUST REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO FINDING THOSE WAYS THAT [02:30:01] WHERE IT COULD BE ONSITE REPRESENTATION SO THAT PEOPLE CAN WALK AROUND AND LOOK AT IT AND PROCESS IT. THANK YOU DAVE ALDEN TO BE FOLLOWED BY JUDY AWELL. IT'S BEEN A GOOD CONVERSATION. I'VE LEARNED THINGS ABOUT STORY POLL ALTERNATIVES THAT I HAD NOT COME ACROSS BEFORE. SO I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THE RESEARCH THAT STAFF HAS DONE. NONETHELESS. I AM ALSO HERE IN DESCENT. UH, I SPENT 40 YEARS AS AN ENGINEERING CONSULTANT IN THAT TIME. I'VE DONE STORY POLES ON DAMS, PEN STOCKS, POWERHOUSES BUILDINGS, AND PROBABLY OTHER THINGS I'VE FORGOTTEN ABOUT. AND IN THAT TIME, I DON'T REMEMBER, I REMEMBER VERY FEW PEOPLE WHO CHANGED THEIR MIND STORY. POLLS ARE A WAY THAT PEOPLE SEE WHAT THEY ALWAYS WANT TO SEE, WHAT THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT, AND IT JUST REINFORCES THEIR POSITION. WHICH GETS BACK TO COUNCIL MEMBER SCH SHRIMP'S COMMENT. DOES IT, YOU KNOW, HOW DOES IT AFFECT PUBLIC OPINION? I HAVE FOUND ACTUALLY VERY LITTLE, THEREFORE, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH STORY POLLS, NOT SO MUCH FOR THE HOTEL, BUT AS SETTING A PRECEDENT IN THIS TOWN. AS I THINK YOU'VE ALL HEARD, PETALUMA HAS A DIFFICULT REPUTATION FOR PLANNING. UH, I WILL TELL A QUICK STORY. I STILL HAVE TWO MINUTES. I'M IN GOOD SHAPE. WHEN WE LOOK AT FACEBOOK, WE OFTEN SEE PROJECTS SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE COUNTRY AND GO, WHAT A SERIOUSLY COOL PROJECT. WHY CAN'T WE GET THAT HERE IN PETALUMA? THERE WAS ONE CONSULTANT IN PARTICULAR, ONE PLANNER IN PARTICULAR, I DON'T WANNA MENTION NAMES, WHO ACTUALLY WANTED TO DO A PROJECT HERE IN PET PETALUMA A FEW YEARS BACK. HE CAME UP WITH AN IDEA. HE NEVER SHOWED IT TO ME, BUT HE TOLD ME IT WAS SERIOUSLY COOL. HE LIKED IT, TOOK A REAL HARD RUN AT PUTTING A TEAM TOGETHER. AND EVERY INVESTOR HE TALKED TO SAID, WE LOVE THE PROJECT. WE WILL NOT TRY TO PUSH THAT TO PETALUMA PLANNING. WE AREN'T SURE WE CAN GET THERE WITH IT. WE'RE NOT WILLING TO WASTE THE MONEY. THAT IS A DEEP SEATED PROBLEM. AND ADDING STORY POLLS AS A POSSIBILITY, EVEN IF IT'S NOT A GUARANTEE. IT'S JUST ONE MORE BARRIER TO ENTRY FOR THE KIND OF THINGS WE WANT. AND WE TRULY DO WANT MULTI-STORY DEVELOPMENT DOWNTOWN, BECAUSE IT'S PROBABLY THE CHEAPEST WAY FOR US TO PROVIDE HOUSING. IT'S THE MOST CLIMATE FRIENDLY WAY FOR US. PROVIDE HOUSING, HOUSING. WE JUST CAN'T GET INTO CREATING PRECEDENTS THAT MAKE THOSE COMMUNITY GOALS HARDER TO ATTAIN. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION. THANK YOU, JUDY AWELL TO BE FOLLOWED BY DWAYNE BELLINGER. EXCUSE IN, I HAVE A BAD LEG NOW. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, UH, I'M IN FAVOR OF PUTTING STORY POLLS OR SOMETHING UP TO SHOW HOW MASSIVE THIS, UH, PROJECT WILL BE. MY CONCERN IS, HAVE YOU EVER BEEN TO WALL STREET? IF YOU GO TO WALL STREET, THERE'S NO SUN, THOUGH. IT'S GLOOMY WALL STREET BECAUSE THE BUILDINGS, THE SHADOW OF THE BUILDINGS CREATE, UH, SUCH A SHADE THAT YOU DON'T SEE SUN WHEN YOU'RE ON WALL STREET. AND I'M WORRIED ABOUT THAT ON B STREET, IF THAT BIG BUILDING GOES UP, B STREET'S A VERY NARROW STREET, SO IS SEA. AND I'M JUST WORRIED THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WON'T SEE SUN ANYMORE ON B STREET OR C STREET BECAUSE OF THIS MASSIVE BUILDING THAT'S GOING UP. I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THE STORY POLES TO SEE HOW TALL IT IS, HOW LARGE IT IS. AND PEOPLE LIKE ME THAT DON'T HAVE ANY VISUAL, I'M THE ONE THAT STANDS IN THE FIELD AND CAN'T FIGURE OUT. YOU KNOW, MY HUSBAND USED TO LAUGH BECAUSE WE BUILT SOMETHING AND I COULDN'T EVEN FIGURE OUT WHERE THE KITCHEN WAS WHEN I LOOKED AT THE PLANS. SO, I MEAN, I'M THE ONE THAT NEEDS TO HAVE THE VISUAL. SO PLEASE THINK ABOUT THAT CAREFULLY WHEN YOU VOTE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, DWAYNE BELLINGER TO BE FOLLOWED BY BRUCE MORTON. UH, THANK YOU. I I I HAVE TO ADMIT THAT I REACHED A CONCLUSION ABOUT THIS WITHOUT ANY POLLS BEING UP. UH, AND I WON'T SHARE WITH YOU MY OPINION OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT ONE OF THE CRITERIA WAS THE LIFETIME CARBON, UM, FOOTPRINT OF THE WHATEVER BUILDINGS OR BUILDING PETALUMA THAT IS, UH, A HUNDRED YEAR FOOTPRINT WOULD BE MORE, PROBABLY MORE DIFFICULT TO BUILD THAN A, UH, TOWER TO, UH, TO SHOW US WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE. BUT, UH, THE, THE POLES WOULD SEEM TO BE SUPERFLUOUS IN, UH, REACHING MOST PEOPLE'S DECISION HERE. AND, AND, UH, MAYBE I'M JUST JUDGING OTHER PEOPLE BY MY WILLINGNESS TO MAKE AN OPINION BASED UPON, UH, THE PICTURES OF IT. I THINK JOHN SCHIBS IS CORRECT THAT, UH, VISUALS IN A PHOTOGRAPHY WOULD PROBABLY, UH, UH, BE A BETTER, UM, REQUIREMENT. THANK YOU BRUCE MORTON. IT'S OUR LAST SPEAKER FOR THE EVENING. WELL, I'M A ADVOCATE FOR THE STORY POOL, AND I UNDERSTOOD THAT THE STORY POOLS COULD BE AS LOW AS 45 FEET, NOT THE FULL 68 FEET. IS THAT CORRECT PLANNER? THIS IS JUST THE COMMENT PERIOD. UM, WE WILL COME BACK TO YOU. [02:35:01] OKAY. WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IS THE FULL HEIGHT SO THAT THE PEOPLE AT PETALUMA CAN SEE WHAT IS COMING INTO PETALUMA. UH, WE'VE GOT A HERITAGE OF, YOU KNOW, FOUR STORY BUILDINGS. IF PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE SURPRISED, THEY SHOULD BE SURPRISED BEFORE THIS BUILDING IS PUT UP. UH, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND THAT CLOSES THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD FOR THE EVENING. I'D LIKE TO BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR CONVERSATION. UH, VICE MAYOR CATER THOMPSON. I JUST WANNA MAKE A COUPLE COMMENTS BECAUSE PEOPLE KEEP TALKING ABOUT OUR HISTORIC DOWNTOWN. IN OUR HISTORIC DOWNTOWN. THERE ARE BUILDINGS THE SAME HEIGHT AS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND YET, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE DOWNTOWN WAS BUILT, I'M REALLY GRATEFUL THAT THEY CHOSE TO BUILD HIGHER BUILDINGS IN OUR DOWNTOWN. SOME ARE HIGHER, SOME ARE LOWER. AND I HAVE BEEN WALKING THIS AREA A LOT. AND SO I TAKE THE BUILDING THAT IS KITTY-CORNER FROM WHERE AMY'S IS, AND THAT IS, I BELIEVE, THE EXACT SAME HEIGHT AS WHAT THIS HOTEL IS GONNA BE. AND SO I'M, THAT'S WHY I'M WALKING AROUND ALL THE TIME LOOKING AT ALL THE DIFFERENT AREAS. THE PHOENIX 75 FEET, WHICH WAS THE HILL OPERA HOUSE ORIGINALLY. UM, THERE'S A LOT OF HEIGHT IN OUR DOWNTOWN, AND WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH IS ALMOST A BOOKEND FROM WHAT I SEE IS THE PETALUMA HOTEL. AND THIS IS KIND OF A BOOKEND FOR OUR DOWNTOWN. AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE HEIGHT BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE, AND THIS IS WHAT OUR TOWN ALREADY EXISTS AND EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT OUR HISTORIC DOWNTOWN, AND WE DON'T WANT IT TO CHANGE. WELL, WE'RE NOT CHANGING. WE'RE REALLY DOING WHAT WAS HAP WHAT HAPPENED WHEN THIS TOWN WAS BUILT. AND SO I PERSONALLY DON'T FEEL THE STORY POLES ARE GONNA TELL THE STORY. WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO IS THEY'RE GOING TO KIND OF LIKE FIND BALANCE, BUT THAT WASN'T, DIDN'T WORK OUT AT ALL. WE HAVE TO HAVE STORY POLLS, AND THAT DOESN'T TELL A STORY OF WHAT WE'RE REALLY DOING. AND SO I REALLY DO NOT SUPPORT STORY POLLS. UM, I WOULD LIKE PEOPLE TO START WALKING AROUND AND ACTUALLY KNOWING WHAT BUILDINGS IN OUR DOWNTOWN AND WHAT THE HEIGHT IS IN OUR HISTORIC DOWNTOWN. AND I'M LOOKING AT THIS PARTICULAR AREA AS AN AREA THAT REALLY NEEDS, UM, NEEDS DEVELOPMENT CHAIN LINK FENCES AREN'T GOOD FOR A COMMUNITY. AND THAT'S WHAT I SEE IN THIS AREA. AND THE STORY POLES ARE NOT GONNA TAKE THE CHAIN LINK FENCES OR THE BUILDINGS SURROUNDING THAT AREA THAT PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE DECIDED NOT EVEN TO WATER ANYMORE OR CLEAN UP THEIR LANDSCAPING. WE HAVE, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, GO BY FORTH AND SEE AND LOOK IN THAT AREA, GO DOWN THERE AND REALLY LOOK AT HOW THIS AREA DOES NOT FIT OUR HISTORIC DOWNTOWN. THAT'S MY COMMENTS FOR NOW. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE. YEAH, UM, I WOULD SAY THAT I, UM, I DON'T THINK I SEE THE STORY POLES CHANGING ANY MINDS. I'M OPEN TO IT. UM, I JUST WANT TO FLAG IN, IN THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL FOR THE HOTEL, I'M LOOKING HERE AND THEY HAVE A, A PAGE THAT LISTS THE HEIGHT OF DIFFERENT BUILDINGS. SO THE, UM, WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE STORY POLES ON WESTERN STREET BECAUSE ON WESTERN STREET, THE MUTUAL RELIEF BUILDING IS 63 FEET TALL, AND THE HOTEL PETALUMA BUILDING IS 53 FEET TALL, AND THAT'S THE FACADE ON THE STREET. UM, THE FACADE ON THE STREET FOR THE EKN HOTEL PROPOSAL IS 45 FEET, IS THE STREET WALL. SO, UM, I LIKE, I'M OKAY WITH THE STORY POLES, UM, ON, UM, ON ONE CONDITION, WHICH IS THAT WE USE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY OPEN A CONVERSATION ABOUT LAND USE AND ABOUT THE ECONOMICS OF LAND USE BECAUSE, UM, RIGHT NOW THAT PROPERTY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROPERTY TAX RECORDS FOR IT, IT GENERATES $341 A YEAR FOR THE CITY. IT GENERATES EXACTLY $0 FOR THE SURROUNDING BUSINESSES. AND WE HAVE BUSINESSES CLOSING. I JUST HEARD OF ANOTHER BUSINESS THAT'S GONNA BE CLOSING. THAT'S RIGHT. UM, DOWN THE STREET, A COUPLE DOORS DOWN FROM WHERE THIS HOTEL'S GONNA BE GOING OR MAYBE GOING, UM, UH, AND THAT'S JUST ANOTHER ONE IN A STRING. AND, AND THERE'S GONNA BE MORE. AND I'M, UM, SO WHEN I THINK ABOUT, [02:40:01] YOU KNOW, THE, THE POLICY OF THE OVERLAY, WHICH I KNOW IS NOT THE DECISION RIGHT NOW, BUT THERE'S THREE THINGS THAT I THINK, LIKE, I THINK IF YOU ASK PETALUMA IF WE WANT TO BE INVESTING IN DOWNTOWN, IS THIS A GOOD POLICY? I THINK PROBABLY 95% OF PEOPLE WOULD SAY, YES, INVEST IN OUR DOWNTOWN. WE LOVE OUR DOWNTOWN. WE WANT TO PRESERVE THE HISTORIC CHARACTER. WE WANNA, UM, SEE A VIBRANT, THRIVING DOWNTOWN BUSINESS COMMUNITY. UM, BUT HOPE ISN'T A STRATEGY. THAT'S NOT MY QUOTE. IT'S FROM A COWORKER, BUT HOPE ISN'T A STRATEGY. AND YET, EVERY TIME THAT I ASK PEOPLE, WHAT'S YOUR STRATEGY FOR INVESTING IN OUR DOWNTOWN, THE RESPONSE I GET IS, THERE'S ALTERNATIVES. THERE'S ALTERNATIVES. AND, AND REALLY WHAT I SEE WITH THE CITY IS WE HAVE THREE ALTERNATIVES ON THE COUNCIL. WE'VE GOT ZONING, WE'VE GOT FEES, WE'VE GOT PARKING. BEYOND THAT, THERE'S PROBABLY A FEW OTHERS, BUT THOSE ARE THE BIG ONES. WE HAVE TO, UM, PUSH INVESTMENT IN OUR DOWNTOWN. AND, UM, SO WHAT I'M WILLING TO DO HERE IS, UH, INSTALL STORY POLES, BUT I ALSO WANT BILLBOARDS ON THE SITE SHOWING THE ECONOMICS OF LAND USE ON THIS SITE. SO I'VE GOT, UM, PROPOSED ADDITION TO THE RESOLUTION THAT WOULD BASICALLY, UM, INCLUDE BILLBOARDS THAT SHOW THE TOTAL TAX BENEFIT TO THE CITY WITH AND WITHOUT THE EKO HOTEL PROJECT. UM, JUST, UH, THE, UM, SUZANNE BGI SENT IN AN ANALYSIS OF THE, THE TAX REVENUE, HER AND ASSESSMENT, WHICH WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY HALF OF WHAT THE, THE, WHAT WAS IN THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL. IT WAS LIKE A MILLION DOLLARS, WELL, $341 TO A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR. THAT'S A PRETTY STARK BAR CHART IF YOU ASK ME. AND I'M WILLING, I'D BE, I WANT PEOPLE TO SEE THAT BECAUSE I WANT THE CONVERSATION TO BE MORE THAN JUST, OH MY GOSH, LOOK AT HOW TALL THAT IS. I WANT THEM TO ALSO BE SAYING, WELL, WHAT ARE THE TRADE-OFFS? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. IF WE WANT TO SEE A STRONG, HEALTHY LOCAL DOWNTOWN ECONOMY, WE NEED TO BE WILLING TO TALK ABOUT THE TRADE-OFFS. BECAUSE IN THE LAST 20 YEARS, THERE'S BEEN EXACTLY ZERO THINGS BUILT BETWEEN WASHINGTON STREET AND BETWEEN D STREET AND OUR DOWNTOWN CORE ZERO THINGS BUILT. THAT'S, WE ADOPTED THE, THE DOWNTOWN SPECIFIC PLAN. AND SINCE THAT TIME, THERE'S BEEN NOTHING THAT'S BEEN OCCUPIED IN OUR DOWNTOWN. NOW WE'VE, WE'VE MANAGED TO BUILD THE TARGET STOPPING CENTER, THE DEER CREEK SHOPPING CENTER, ALL THINGS THAT ARE RIPPING BUSINESS OUT OF OUR DOWNTOWN. SO IF WE REALLY CARE ABOUT OUR DOWNTOWN, WE NEED TO BE TRYING TO INVEST IN IT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN DOING FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS. THAT'S WHAT BAD LAND USE POLICY LOOKS LIKE. AND, UM, SO WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE IS TOTAL TAX BENEFITS TO THE CITY WITH AND WITHOUT THE E KON HOTEL PROJECT INFLUENCED ECONOMIC ACTIVITY FROM THE E KON HO HOTEL PROJECT VERSUS WHAT'S THERE NOW. THAT SHOULD BE A GOOD BAR CHART INFLUENCED ECONOMIC ACTIVITY OF THE OVERLAY AS A WHOLE TO OUR DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES. UM, I'D LIKE TO SEE DOLLAR PER ACRE TAX BENEFITS TO THE CITY WITH AND WITHOUT THE EKN HO HOTEL PROJECT, AS WELL AS THE, UM, DOLLAR PER ACRE TAX BENEFITS, UM, COMPARED TO THE DEER CREEK AND THE TARGET SHOPPING CENTERS, ROUGHLY THOSE TWO. SO THE DEER CREEK SHOPPING CENTER, IT'S, UH, ABOUT, IT WAS FORECASTED THE DEER CREEK AND THE, AND THE TARGET SHOPPING CENTER WERE FORECASTED TO, UM, GENERATE $1.7 MILLION A YEAR IN SALES TAX REVENUE FOR THE CITY. NOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE EMPTY BUILDINGS AND THE EMPTY PARKING LOT, THERE'S NO WAY THEY'RE DOING THAT. SO THOSE, THOSE, IF YOU, IF YOU DIVIDE THAT BY THE NUMBER OF ACRES, IT COMES OUT TO ABOUT $35,000 PER ACRE IN TAX REVENUE TO THE CITY. THIS IS A 0.31 ACRE PARCEL. AND IF YOU USE THE $1 MILLION ASSESSMENT FROM SUZANNE, THAT'S ABOUT $3.2 MILLION PER ACRE. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ECONOMIC PROTI PRODUCTIVITY, THAT'S HUGE. AND WHEN YOU PUT THAT THREE POINT, AND WHEN YOU PUT THAT BUSINESS RIGHT IN THE HEART OF OUR DOWNTOWN, THAT HELPS OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES. SO WITH ALL THE DUE RESPECT TO ALL THE PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT I'VE RECEIVED, AND I'VE READ ALL OF THEM SAYING THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DESTROY OUR DOWNTOWN, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I'M ACTUALLY NOT. I'M TRYING TO FACILITATE INVESTMENT IN OUR DOWNTOWN. AND I JUST HOPE, LIKE, I'M NOT TRYING TO CHANGE YOUR MIND, I'M JUST, I JUST WANT TO BE HEARD BECAUSE EVERY TIME THAT I'VE TRIED TO INVE, LIKE INVEST MY TIME IN COMMENTING ON SOCIAL MEDIA OR GOING BACK AND FORTH ON EMAILS, IT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, JUST ABSOLUTELY SHUT DOWN. AND I'VE GOT THE MIC TONIGHT, SO I'M USING IT. BUT I WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM BECAUSE I'M CONCERNED ABOUT MORE BUSINESSES CLOSING. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT INFLATION GOING UP, RISING RENTS, RISING LABOR COSTS, THINGS LIKE THAT. AND I CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THOSE THINGS AS A CITY COUNCIL PERSON. BUT WHAT I CAN DO IS TRY AND PUT MORE PEOPLE ON THE FEE ON THE STREET SHOPPING IN THOSE BUSINESSES. THAT'S [02:45:01] WHAT I CAN DO. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO, THAT'S WHAT I THINK ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS UP HERE WANT TO SEE ECONOMIC ACTIVITY IN OUR DOWNTOWN INCREASE. BUT WHEN EVERYBODY'S FEELING PINCHED AND WE'RE ALL SAYING, WE GOTTA TIGHTEN THE BELT BECAUSE I CAN'T GO OUT TO EAT ONE, YOU KNOW, MORE BECAUSE THINGS COST TOO MUCH. LIKE THAT HURTS OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES, THE ONLY THING WE CAN DO IS INCREASE REVENUE. THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT THE COUNCIL CAN DO IS TRY AND INCREASE REVENUE FOR OUR DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES. SO IN ADDITION TO THE DOWN THE DOLLAR PER ACRE TAX BENEFITS, THE LAST ONE IS A LIST OF PARKS, FACILITIES, AND PUBLIC WORKS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS THAT ARE NOT WHOLLY FUNDED, AND THE TOTAL VALUE OF THE UNFUNDED PROJECT COMPONENTS. SO JUST LITTLE TIDBIT ON THAT. WE'VE GOT ABOUT IN ACROSS PARKS, FACILITIES AND PUBLIC WORKS, I WENT THROUGH THE BUDGET AND I FOUND ABOUT $66 MILLION OF UNFUNDED CAPITAL PROJECTS. OUR WHOLE ANNUAL DOWNTOWN, UH, BEAUTIFICATION BUDGET IS $265,000. AND IT'S A ONE-TIME APPROPRIATION FROM OUR GENERAL FUND, NOT NEARLY ENOUGH OF WHAT WE SHOULD BE INVESTING IN THE DOWNTOWN THAT WE SAY WE LOVE. SO, UM, I WANT THAT TO BE OUT THERE. WHEN YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE $66 MILLION OF UNFUNDED PROJECTS, ABOUT 40% OF IT, OR 27 MILLION ARE DIRECTLY TIED TO HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND DOWNTOWN IMPROVEMENTS. THOSE INCLUDE THE TRESTLE, VERY POPULAR PROJECT, CONTINUING DREDGING THE RIVER. THAT'S A $10 MILLION COST THAT WE HAVE NOT FIGURED OUT HOW TO FUND YET. SEISMIC IMPROVEMENTS TO OUR HISTORIC MUSEUM. THAT'S THREE AND A HALF MILLION SEISMIC IMPROVEMENTS TO THE DOWNTOWN. THE FIRE STATION ONE, THAT'S ANOTHER THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS. THEN THERE'S PEDESTRIAN BRIDGES AND SOMETHING ELSE. UM, THAT GETS US TO ABOUT 26 OR $27 MILLION OF UNFUNDED PROJECTS. AND SO WHEN I THINK ABOUT LIKE THIS HOTEL PROJECT OR THIS OVERLAY DESTROYING OUR DOWNTOWN AND AND RUINING THE HISTORIC CHARACTER, UM, WHAT ABOUT THE UNFUNDED LIABILITIES? AND WHAT IF WE HAVE AN EARTHQUAKE AND ALL OF OUR HISTORIC BUILDINGS FALL DOWN? LIKE, I'M JUST SAYING, LIKE, THESE ARE THINGS LIKE, AND AS A COUNCIL, WE'RE TRYING TO MAINTAIN A SOLID QUALITY OF LIFE HERE. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO RUIN OUR DOWNTOWN. SO I'M JUST ASK YOU TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS LOOKS LIKE. SO WITH THAT, UM, I'LL END MY, GET OFF MY SOAPBOX. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY. THANK YOU. SO, UM, GETTING BACK TO THE ISSUE AT HAND, UM, THIS IS INFORMATION THE PUBLIC DOESN'T HAVE, BUT, UH, THE COUNCIL DOES HAVE. AND, UH, THE QUESTION WAS ASKED, UM, JUST TO PUT THE, UH, THE, THE PRICE TAG OF THE, UM, UH, UH, STORY POLLS IN CONTEXT. UM, AND I ASKED THE QUESTION, HOW, HOW MUCH, UH, ARE THE TOTAL BILLINGS BY M GROUP ON THE, UH, EKN APPELLATION AND OVERLAY, UH, DISTRICT PROJECT TO DATE? AND THE ANSWER WAS ABOUT $150,000. UM, SO, UM, I THINK ASKING THE APPLICANT TO PAY FOR SOMETHING THAT'S A VISUAL ON SITE IS, IS NOT OUT OF, OUT OF, UH, UH, OUT OF REASON. UM, AND SO AT THIS POINT, I'M GOING TO MOVE APPROVAL OF THE RESOLUTION ATTACHED AS ATTACHMENT ONE TO OUR STAFF PACKET, UM, WHICH WOULD DIRECT THE DEVELOPER THE PROPOSAL TO INSTALL STORY POLES ON THE SITE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY'S STORY POLE POLICY. BUT I WOULD ADD A COUPLE OF, UM, ALTERNATIVES IN THAT AS WELL. ONE WOULD BE, UM, TO ALLOW THEM INSTEAD TO DO A DRONE SWARM OR A DRONE LIGHT SHOW, UM, AS RECOMMENDED BY, I BELIEVE COUNCIL MEMBER SHRIVES AND, AND ALTERNATIVELY, UH, THE CRANE SUSPENDED TOP STORY, UM, AS, AS I BELIEVE STAFF TALKED ABOUT AND I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, WAS TALKING ABOUT. SO I WOULD, UH, SAY STORY POLLS ARE ONE OF THOSE OTHER TWO THINGS. UM, AND, AND THAT'S MY MOTION. LET'S SEE IF THERE'S A SECOND. YOU MAY HAVE, UH, JUMPED THE GUN ON THAT. WE'LL, I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE MORE CONVERSATION, BUT, UH, THERE IS A MOTION. SO, UM, AND I'M SEEING, DID YOU WISH TO SPEAK? WELL, I DID, BUT, UM, I WILL SECOND, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY'S MOTION. UM, THE REASON WE NEED THE STORY POLES IS BECAUSE IT IS NOT NEXT TO A BUILDING THAT IS 45 FEET. IT'S NEXT TO A ONE STORY HARDWARE STORE AND AN EMPTY LOT RIGHT NOW WITH A SMALL ONE STORY BUILDING THAT'S VACANT. SO I THINK THAT THE STORY POLES ARE GOING TO TELL A VERY IMPORTANT STORY VISUALLY. AND I WOULD RATHER SEE STORY POLES IN PLACE THAT PEOPLE CAN GO BY ANYTIME. 'CAUSE I THINK A DRONES MIGHT TAKE AWAY FROM [02:50:01] WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE. AND THAT IS HOW MASSIVE THIS FULL, UM, HOTEL WOULD BE AT THIS SITE. THE, THE WHOLE SIX STORIES VERSUS WHAT IS IN OUR GENERAL PLAN NOW AT FOUR STORIES. AND IF WE HAVE THE CHALK OUTLINE THAT SHOWS WHERE, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GO 15 FEET FOR THE STORY POLES, CAN WE DO A CHALK OUTLINE AT THE BEGINNING TO SAY THIS IS WHERE IT WOULD REALLY BE. THIS WOULD BE THE WALL NEXT TO THE SIDEWALK, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GO 15 FEET IN FOR THE STORY POLES JUST TO SHOW I'M, I'M TALKING TO STAFF TO JUST TO SHOW THE VISUAL FOOTPRINT ON THE GROUND AS WELL AS THE HEIGHT NEXT TO A ONE STORY AND A VACANT LOT. IF THERE WAS A TALL BUILDING ON EITHER SIDE, I WOULDN'T THINK THAT WE NEEDED THE STORY POLES, BUT THEY'RE VERY IMPORTANT. THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF DIFFERENCE. AND I THINK THAT IT'S BEEN POINTED OUT BY PUBLIC COMMENT. I, I BELIEVE THAT YES, THEY WOULD PROVIDE THE OUTLINE ON THE SURFACE OR ON THE GROUND SHOWING WHAT THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT WOULD BE, EVEN THOUGH THE SETBACK WOULD BE 15 FEET FROM THAT. UM, BUILDING FOOTPRINT OUTLINE. THANK COUNCILMAN ZAKI. YEAH, I'D LIKE TO, UH, UH, WHENEVER, UH, WORKS BETTER HERE, MAKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT PROPOSAL OR A COMPETING, UH, MOTION BASED ON, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BARNELLS, UH, UH, REQUEST EARLIER. I DON'T KNOW, DID YOU MAKE A A, A MOTION ON THAT, BRIAN? UH, I HAVEN'T, BUT I DO HAVE, UH, WRITTEN DOWN WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE AS A EXACT LET'S, UM, FOR, CAN I ASK YOU TO HOLD THAT THOUGHT FOR A MINUTE? AND, UM, WE'LL KNOW WE NEED TO COME BACK TO YOU BEFORE WE GET INTO FINAL, FINAL VOTING ROUND. UM, COUNCIL MEMBER RI, ANYTHING TO ADD TONIGHT? UM, JUST COMMENTS, RIGHT? YES. WHERE WE ARE, YES. COMMENTS. OKAY. UM, UH, STORIES, POLLS BY THEMSELVES BECAUSE OF THE 15 FOOT SETBACK AND SURFACE TO VOLUME RATIOS DO NOT REALLY SHOW THE, THE MASS OF THE BUILDING AT ALL. UM, THERE IS CONCERNS THAT WAS LISTED ABOUT THE SEISMIC AND WIND CON, UM, 'CAUSE THEY HADN'T DONE SOMETHING THAT TALL AS YET. AND SO THAT IS GONNA, MAY HAVE A MAJOR IMPACT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE WIND THAT WE MAY HAVE HERE. THAT THAT DOES HAPPEN HERE ONCE IN A WHILE. UM, AND THE, AND NOT HAVING THE CON UM, THE ABILITY TO PUT IN, UM, THE SOUND AND LIGHT KNOW THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDED IN TO THE, THE VERY TOP SOMEHOW. AND SO I DON'T SEE THE STORY POLES BEING ABLE TO DO THAT. UM, AT THE VERY TOP CENTER, UH, WHERE, WHERE THERE'S GONNA BE SOME BRIGHT LIGHTS FROM THE RESTAURANT COMING OUT, WHICH IS EVEN STRONGER STORY THAN JUST THE ACTUAL MASS ITSELF. AND ALSO THE SOUND. HOW FAR DOES THE SOUND TRAVEL FROM THE HEIGHT OF SIX STORIES OUT? HOW FAR DOES, CAN WE HEAR SOMETHING EVEN AS SIMPLE AS A SMALL BOOMBOX? UM, IS, CAN IT BE HEARD ON AT STREET LEVEL? CAN IT BE HEARD THREE OR FOUR BLOCKS AWAY? 'CAUSE THEN THE PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE RACEWAY, UM, BEING NOISY. SO IF THIS RESTAURANT HAS A BAND PLAYING AT NIGHT AT 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, THEN UM, WE'LL BE, PEOPLE BE HEARING IT SIX OR SEVEN BLOCKS AWAY OR NOT. SO WE REALLY NEED TO, TO TELL THE FULL STORY, WE ACTUALLY NEED, UM, BOTH VISUAL, WE NEED LIGHT AND WE NEED SOUND. SO, UM, THANK YOU FOR, FOR ADDING IN THAT, THAT, UH, THAT THE ALTERNATIVES WOULD BE ALLOWED, UH, THAT THE DEVELOPER COULD, COULD ACTUALLY, UM, DO SOMETHING, UM, ELSE BESIDES JUST THE PHYSICAL, UH, STORY POLES ON THAT. UM, MY, I, I STILL WOULD GO BACK TO MAYBE A COMBINATION. UM, BUT IF WE COULD GET SOMETHING UP HIGH THAT WOULD SHOW THE HEIGHT AND MAYBE EVEN SHOW SOME OF THE, THE MASS BY THE SIDES, UH, SOME SORT OF COMBINATION AND, UM, I THINK THE CITY NEEDS TO PONY UP A LITTLE BIT TOO. AND I'D SAY, OH, DEVELOPER, YOU MUST DO AND, AND, AND PAY FOR IT ALL. WE NEED TO PONY UP A LITTLE BIT TOO. IF WE WANT THIS AND OUR CITIZENS WANT THIS, WE NEED TO PONY UP SOME MONEY TOO. AND WE NEED TO ORGANIZE MAYBE A VOLUNTEER GROUP THAT IF, WHEN WE DO THE VISUAL, THAT WE GET A HUNDRED PEOPLE OUT THERE TO TAKE PICTURES AND VIDEOS AND POST IT ALL ON OUR VIDEO SITE, ON OUR WEBPAGE SO THAT WE HAVE A FULL CITIZEN SCIENCE ANALYSIS OF THE PHYSICAL FEATURE THAT'S UP THERE AS WELL AS RECORDING ON THEIR PHONES. WHAT THE SOUND IS LIKE, SEEING WHAT THE LIGHT IS LIKE AT NIGHT. UM, IF WE'RE GONNA DO THIS, LET'S DO IT, RIGHT? AND, AND, UH, ASKING A DEVELOPER TO, TO TOSS IN A $50,000, YOU SAID $150,000 FOR THE M GROUP SO FAR, $50,000 FOR STORY POLES, THAT'S A THIRD, 30% FOR A SMALL EVENT, UM, TO GET THIS LITTLE ADD-ON, UM, AFTER ALL THE HUGE AMOUNT OF WORK COMPARED TO THE NUMBER OF HOURS THAT THE M GROUP HAS ALREADY PUT IN. [02:55:01] SO ASKING A DEVELOPER TO PUT IN THE $50,000 ON THIS, I THINK IS EXTRAVAGANT UNLESS WE COME UP WITH OUR OWN EQUAL $50,000 THAT WE'RE WILLING TO PUT IN FOR OURSELVES AND TO MAKE IT DO IT, DO IT RIGHT AND SEE SOUND BITE AND VISUAL OF THE WHOLE MASS SOMEHOW. SO JUST STORY POLES ALONE, ABSOLUTELY NOT. I I WON'T GO FOR THAT, BUT IF WE WE'RE WILLING TO STICK IN AND, AND I'D LIKE TO AMEND THAT THE, THE CITY WILL ALSO MATCH THEIR FUNDS, WHATEVER THEY DO, THAT WE WOULD BE WILLING TO MATCH THEM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE THAT AMENDMENT SO THAT YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE IN IT WITH THEM ON THAT. IF WE DON'T DO THAT, WE SHOULDN'T BE ASKING THEM TO DO IT. ANYWAY, THAT'S MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU. UM, THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, COMMENTS UP HERE TONIGHT. UM, A LOT TO AGREE WITH AND, UH, A LOT TO DELIBERATE ON. AND I WOULD HAVE TO SAY THAT I CONCUR WITH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE ABOUT THE VALUE ADD OF A PROJECT LIKE THIS. AND, UH, EARLIER WE HAD A PAVING CONVERSATION WHERE WE SAID, UH, WE'RE SPENDING $5 MILLION ON ONE MILE OF, UH, ROAD, AND WE HAVE 180 MILES TO DO. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE CITY IS, UM, NOT ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF ITS NEEDS AND NEEDS TO LOOK AT WAYS TO, TO FIND THAT FUNDING. UM, I DON'T THINK THAT PEOPLE EMAILS I'VE GOTTEN DO NOT SHOW SYMPATHETIC EAR THAT PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO TRADE HAVING, UM, A HOTEL FOR, THEY DON'T SEE THE, THE NEXUS IN THAT, THE, THE BENEFIT THAT, UH, THAT YOU DESCRIBED. SO WELL, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER NIKAL ALSO AGREE ENTIRELY WITH COUNCIL MEMBER SHRIVES THAT WITH 15 FOOT SETBACK STORY POLES ARE, I MEAN, THEY'RE A NON-STARTER. THEY REPRESENT NOTHING. SO WHAT WOULD REPRESENT SOMETHING, WHAT COULD, UH, SHOW THE PUBLIC WHAT THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE? WELL, UM, I HAVE TO COMMEND STAFF. MAYBE THIS IS WHERE THE 150,000 CAME FROM, BUT, UM, THE REPRESENTATIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE ON OUR CITY WEBSITES THAT THEY'VE ASKED THE DEVELOPER TO PROVIDE THE SHADE, UM, SHADE OUTLINES THAT ARE ON THE WEBSITE, THEY REALLY SHOW WHAT'S GOING ON THERE. AND, UM, AND THEN THE COMPARISON TO OTHER BUILDINGS IN TOWN. AND THEN ALSO THE CRAFTING IT SO THAT IT'S ONLY A FOUR STORY, UM, WALL AGAINST THE STREET, ONLY 45 FEET AGAINST THE STREET, AND HERE'S THE PETALUMA HOTEL AT 53 FEET AGAINST THE STREET. UM, UH, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE STAFF HAS HAD TO DEVELOPER PUSH BACK THAT FIFTH STORY, SO YOU CAN'T SEE IT FROM STREET LEVEL. AND THEN THE SIXTH STORY IS REALLY NOT MUCH MORE THAN WHAT WOULD BE THERE IS MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT AND ALLOWED ON A ROOFTOP. SO I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS SAY, HOW DO WE SHOW THE PUBLIC THAT WE HAVE THIS 45 FOOT VERTICAL WALL AGAINST THE STREET, AND THEN KIND OF NOT SHOW THEM THE FIFTH BECAUSE IT ISN'T STREET VISIBLE, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY BLOCKS BACK FROM THERE DO YOU HAVE TO BE BEFORE YOU SEE THE FIFTH STORY? AND, UM, AND I THINK THE, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE BEST REPRESENTATION IS THE PETALUMA HOTEL. IF YOU STAND ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PETALUMA HOTEL, THAT'S LIKE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, AND, AND SO YOU WOULD, I MEAN, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT WILL LOOK LIKE. I MEAN, IT'S ACTUALLY EIGHT FEET TALLER, BUT YOU KNOW, FOR FROM GROUND PURPOSES AND OUR ABILITY TO SEE THINGS, THAT'S ABOUT WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE. YOU WON'T SEE THE ROOF, THE FIFTH STORY, YOU WON'T SEE THE SIXTH STORY UNLESS YOU'RE AT A DISTANCE WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE LINE FLATTENS OUT AND THINGS. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE REALLY GAIN ANYTHING BY EVEN ATTEMPTING. I MEAN, WE'RE BETTER OFF TELLING PEOPLE, GO LOOK AT THE HOTEL, THAT'S WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE. BIG TALL RIGHT THERE. BUT REMEMBER THE FOUR STORIES AT THE STREET EDGE IS WHAT OUR GENERAL PLAN ALLOWS. SO WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY ASKING FOR ANYTHING MORE THAN THAT. WE'VE KIND OF WOUND OURSELVES UP ON THE FIFTH AND SIXTH STORIES, AND ON NEXT DOOR AND OTHER SOCIAL MEDIA, WE'VE WOUND OURSELVES INTO SEVEN AND EIGHTH STORIES. SO GOD KNOWS WHERE THAT COMES FROM OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, UH, PEOPLE WHO HAVE STRONG OPINIONS THAT ANYTHING IS BAD AND THEY'RE WILLING TO SAY ANYTHING TO, YOU KNOW, KILL A PROJECT. AND TO AN EXTENT THAT IS PETALUMA TRACK RECORD, WE HAVE SO MANY GOOD IDEAS. WHEN WE PLAN, WE PUT TOGETHER A REAL PLAN THAT OF WHAT OUR FUTURE SHOULD LOOK LIKE WHEN WE SEE A PROJECT, WE NITPICK IT AND FIND A WAY THAT IT JUST NEVER PROCEEDS. AND SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S REALLY A CHALLENGE BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAY, WE DO HAVE A REPUTATION AS A TOWN WHERE YOU CAN'T GET ANYTHING DONE. I FIND IT IRONIC ON NEXTDOOR THAT'S, THAT PLANNING IS, IS HELD UP AS, UH, THE BAD GUY FOR INCENTIVIZING DEVELOPMENTS WHEN IN FACT WE NEVER, YOU KNOW, EVER GET TO THE FINISH LINE ON, YOU KNOW, HAYSTACK DIDN'T GET APPROVED OR GOT APPROVED, BUT CAN'T GET FORWARD BECAUSE THEY COMMITTED TOO MUCH. UH, THE HEINZ PROPERTY AT THE RAILROAD STATION, YOU KNOW, WOULD'VE BEEN GREAT HOUSING PROJECT IN THE MIDDLE IT, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE AT A TRAIN STATION. THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. I MEAN, JUST SO MANY THINGS. YOU KNOW, WE CHASE NONPROFIT DEVELOPERS OUTTA TOWN TOO FOR, FOR VARIOUS REASONS. UM, IT'S, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO DO A THING [03:00:01] THAT'S IMPACTFUL. I WOULD LIKE TO DO A THING THAT INFORMS PEOPLE'S DECISION MAKING. SO IF I THOUGHT THAT WE WOULD SHOW SOMETHING VALUABLE, I'D BE WITH IT. BUT WHEN WE SAY, YOU KNOW, UM, LOOK AT THESE FLAGS 50 FEET IN THE AIR, LOOK AT THE 45 FEET HERE AND THEN COME OVER HERE AND IT'S ANOTHER SET OF FLAGS AND OVER HERE, AND THOSE, THE SAME LACK OF ABILITY TO VISUALIZE WHERE THE KITCHEN IS AND THINGS IS THE SAME ONE THAT SAYS THEY'RE JUST FLAGS UP THERE. THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT HELPING, I THINK, GOING OVER AND LOOKING AT THE PETALUMA HOTEL AND SAYING, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE RIGHT THERE. NOW. NOW GRANTED YOU MAKE, YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT THAT IT'S NOT NEXT TO, UM, A ONE STORY BUILDING, BUT I BELIEVE THE ROOFTOP ON REX IS AT THE, IS AT 30 FEET. SO IT MEANS IT'S ONE STORY, BUT IT'S TALL. AND THEN THE BACK HALF OF THE HOTEL HAS AN ATRIUM AREA THAT ONLY IS TWO STORIES TALL. SO IT'S KIND OF A U-SHAPE THE PROPOSAL. SO AFTER THE SECOND STORY, IT'S CLEAR SPACE AND ARE WE GONNA PUT STORY POLES TO DO THAT? ARE THE DRONES GONNA COVER THAT? I THINK WHAT PEOPLE WANT IS TO HAVE A WAY OF EXPRESSING VISUALLY HOW OFFENDED THEY ARE, HOW THEY DON'T WANT IT. AND I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DO THAT. I THINK WE HEAR THAT YOU HAVE CONCERNS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT IT'S TALL, IT'S SCARY, BUT IT'S JUST LIKE THE PETAL IN MY HOTEL. SO WE WERE AT MOTIONS AND COUNTER MOTIONING AND THINGS, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY. SO JUST TO REMIND FOLKS WHO MAY NOT REMEMBER THIS, I WAS A COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, 20, 20 YEARS AGO, 20 YEARS AND SIX MONTHS AGO WHO STARTED KNOCKING ON DOORS TO FIND A DEVELOPER WHO IS WILLING TO BUILD, UH, A MOVIE THEATER IN DOWNTOWN PETALUMA. AND THE RESULT WAS THE THEATER DISTRICT, WHICH, UH, I THINK HAS BEEN A GREAT ADDITION. AND IT REMOVED TWO OF THE MOST HORRIBLE LOOKING USED CAR LOTS YOU COULD POSSIBLY IMAGINE. UM, SO THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, PROJECTS THAT THE COMMUNITY WILL SUPPORT. UM, I I DON'T SEE A PATH EVEN WITH, WITH FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS TO GETTING FOUR VOTES ON THIS THING. UM, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE, THE VERY CONSTRAINED TIMEFRAME WE HAVE AT THIS POINT. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE COUNCIL MEMBER SCHWAB'S SUGGESTIONS, BUT I DON'T SEE ANY OF THOSE THINGS COMING TO FRUITION IN THE NEXT THREE WEEKS. UM, I JUST, I JUST DON'T, SO AT THIS POINT, I, I JUST ASK TO CALL THE QUESTION, UM, AND LET ME, UM, ASK OUR PARLIAMENTARIAN OR RANKING COUNCIL MEMBER, LET'S CALL THE QUESTION AND HAVE US, UM, TAKE THE VOTE IMMEDIATELY, OR DO WE, DO WE GET TO CONTINUE COMMENTS? IT'S CALL THE QUESTION MEANS RIGHT NOW CALL THE QUESTION. ARE WE IN AGREEMENT ON THAT? YEP. YES. THEN OKAY, THEN, UM, I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER FOR A ROLL CALL VOTE BEFORE WE GO, I, A SECOND. AND WE HAVE A SECOND ON THAT, BUT BEFORE WE, I MADE THE SECOND. IS IT RECORD SHOW THAT NOW MADE THE SECOND? YES. GOOD. AND, UM, UH, I HAD A FLEETING THOUGHT THERE THAT, UM, BEFORE WE, I I GUESS THAT IS DIRECT. OH, COULD WE RECAP THAT MOTION SO WE WE KNOW WHERE EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON HERE? SURE. MY MOTION WAS TO, UM, ADOPT, UH, THE RESOLUTION DRAFT RESOLUTION ATTACHED IS ATTACHMENT ONE TO THE COUNCIL PACKET WITH TWO ALTERNATIVES, UM, FOR COMPLIANCE. ONE WOULD BE EITHER A, A DRONES FORM OR A DRONE LIGHT SHOW. UM, OR THE SECOND WOULD BE WITH A CRANE SUSPENDED TOP STORY, UH, ON THE SITE, UM, AS SUGGESTED BY STAFF, I BELIEVE, OR COUNCIL MEMBER POKAY, UM, AT, AT THE APPLICANT'S DISCRETION, ONE OF THOSE THREE. AND YOU UNDERSTOOD THAT AS THE SECOND, THAT'S THE YES, I WAS, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE MOTION. YOU WERE, WERE SECONDING. I WILL SECOND GOOD COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY'S MOTION AND THANK YOU. UM, AND THAT'S WHAT MY NOTES SHOW TOO. I JUST WANNA RAISE, I KNOW WE'RE CALLING THE QUESTION, BUT IF THE COUNCIL WILL IND JUDGE ME, I'LL INDULGE ME TO JUST RAISE ONE BRIEF QUESTION AND, AND, AND, AND IT, IT MAY COME TO NOTHING, BUT THE RESO DOES NOT MENTION THE TIMING, AND THE MOTION DOES NOT MENTION THE TIMING OF THE STORY POLLS AND, UM, AND TIMING IS A FACTOR AS COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY MENTIONED. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO ADDRESS THAT OR LEAVE IT OPEN, BUT, UM, YEAH, THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR RAISING THAT. I THINK, I THINK THE STORY, WHAT WHATEVER GETS DONE SHOULD BE DONE, UM, BEFORE, UM, THE FIRST READING OF THE, UM, OVERLAY DISTRICT COMES TO THE CITY COUNCIL IN, UM, DECEMBER. THANK, THANK YOU. SO I, THAT WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO THE, TO THE RESO. AND SO [03:05:01] THE QUESTION WOULD BE IF THAT'S ACCEPTABLE TO COUNCIL MEMBER NOW, WHO MADE THE SECOND, AND IF THAT'S, THAT'S ALL RIGHT. THAT'S TO THE REST OF YOU, THEN WE CAN PROCEED TO THE CALL QUESTION. THAT'S FINE. THANK YOU. GOOD. I'M GLAD WE'VE GOT THE MOTION CRAFTED OUT. LET'S TURN IT OVER TO THE CLERK FOR A ROLL CALL. VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBERS. BARNACLE. NO. CATER THOMPSON. NO. HEALY? YES. NOW YES. OSA KAY. NO SCHIBS, NO MAYOR MCCONNELL MCDONALD? EXCUSE ME. NO, NO. MOTION FAILS. MAYOR FIVE TWO. CAN I MAKE A SECOND MOTION? I THINK THERE IS SUCH A THING. YES, . ALRIGHT. UM, I'LL, UH, MAKE THE MOTION, UH, THAT COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY JUST MADE WITH THE ECONOMICS, UH, PROPOSAL ON TOP OF THAT, UM, AND THE CITY COVERING HALF THE COST. AND I'LL, I'LL SHOW THE, SHOW THE WORDING SO EVERYBODY CAN SEE EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT HERE. UM, CAN WE, UM, CAN WE FIND A, A SECOND FIRST? I WILL SECOND. WELL, I WANNA MAKE SURE PEOPLE KNOW WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE, WHAT THEY'RE SECONDING. ALRIGHT, SO I'LL SHOW IT ON THE SCREEN. ARE WE TECHNICALLY WITH THAT ON SHARING THE SCREEN? MM-HMM. . YEAH, THERE WE GO. OKAY. SO IT SHOULD BE SHARING SOON. THERE WE GO. SO THIS WOULD BE, UH, A FOURTH PROVISION IN THE RESOLUTION. LET PEOPLE READ THAT. ALL RIGHT. SO, UM, THERE'S A WAY OF ENTERING THAT INTO THE RECORD, I BELIEVE WHAT WE'VE SEEN. SO THAT CAN BE ADDED TO THE RESO STAFF HAS CAPACITY TO DO THAT. WE'VE SEEN WHAT THE ADDED LANGUAGE IS. I, I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT HOW WE'RE GONNA GET NUMBER THREE. CAN WE POP THAT BACK UP THERE FOR A MINUTE? THE, THE INFLUENCED ECONOMIC ACTIVITY OF THE OVERLAY, I COMMENT QUESTION. GOT YOU. UM, I'M WILLING TO STRIKE, UH, NUMBER THREE ON THAT. AND, UM, AS IT'S A NEW MOTION, I'D LIKE TO INVITE COUNSEL TO COMMENT ON THIS BEFORE WE, UM, PROCEED. COUNCIL, UH, VICE MAYOR KATE THOMPSON. I NEED TO BE CLEARER ON WHAT WE'RE, SO WHAT ABOUT THE VISUALS? I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A VISUAL ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH A CAD, YOU KNOW, SO PEOPLE CAN SEE, SO THEY HAVE OTHER OPTIONS. IT'S NOT JUST GOING TO THE SITE. WHERE CAN PEOPLE GO TO SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, A VISUAL, A DIGITAL, YOU CAN, MAY, MAY I ASK ON THIS. SO WE ADD THAT TO THE MOTION THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A DIGITAL THAT PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY, UM, GO TO THE STORY POLLS AND THEY'LL BE, YOU KNOW, A SCAN SO PEOPLE CAN SCAN SOMETHING SO THEY CAN SEE. CAN I ASK, CAN I ASK A QUESTION HERE? UM, SO THERE'S EXTENSIVE DOCUMENTATION ON THE PROJECT WEBSITE AND, UM, WHEN WE DO SIGN BOARDS ON PROPERTIES, WE OFTEN HAVE THEM TRANSFER THE GRAPHIC ONTO AN ONSITE SIGNBOARD IN A GRA A GRAPHIC, A PHOTOGRAPH ONSITE SIGNBOARD. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR? NO, I'M, I, I WANNA SEE A DIGITAL THAT SHOWS, UM, THE, SOMEBODY CAN GO AND BRING UP WITH ONE OF THOSE SCAN CARDS SO THEY CAN SEE, UM, THE SHADING AND THE DISTANCE SO THEY CAN SEE MORE, NOT JUST STORY POLES. 'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT SEEING ANYTHING WITH A STORY POLE. OKAY, LET ME, ALL YOU'RE SEEING IS THE STORY POLES. LET, LET ME RUN BACK TO COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE. SO I'M TRYING TO NOT OVERCOMPLICATE THIS. I PERSONALLY, I DON'T WANT TO MISS THIS OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO ACTUALLY ENGAGE IN THE CONCEPT OF URBAN ECONOMICS. UM, AND THAT'S WHAT I FEEL IS IMPORTANT. I DON'T THINK THAT A RENDERING IN THIS VIRTUAL REALITY, WHATEVER IT IS, I, I'M, I'M HAVING TROUBLE VISUALIZING IT, IT FEELS LIKE COMPLEX STUFF. AND WHAT I REALLY FEEL LIKE IS A HUGE OPPORTUNITY HERE IS LIKE BY FAR AND AWAY, THE PROJECT THAT'S PROPOSED AT THIS SITE WILL BE THE MOST ECONOMICALLY PRODUCTIVE PROPERTY IN THE CITY OF PETALUMA WITHOUT QUESTION. AND IT'LL BE RIGHT IN OUR DOWNTOWN NEXT TO ALL THE LOCAL BUSINESSES. AND I WANT THE PEOPLE AT PETALUMA, YOU CAN OPPOSE IT, YOU CAN BE FOR IT, BUT I WANT YOU TO AT LEAST HAVE TO GRAPPLE WITH THAT, UM, THAT THIS IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS URBAN ECONOMICS 1 0 1. AND SO FOR ME, LIKE I WANT [03:10:01] TO KEEP THE STORY POLES SIMPLE BECAUSE I THINK THAT THERE'S ALREADY TALL BUILDINGS IN DOWNTOWN AND I WANT THE ECONOMICS TO BE FRONT AND CENTER. SO, UM, AND I'M, SO, I'M, I'M NOT WILLING TO ENTERTAIN ADDITIONS TO IT. AND I'M, I'M FINE IF THIS DIES, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S THAT'S FINE TOO. BUT I AT LEAST WANT TO, YOU KNOW, THROW IT OUT THERE BECAUSE THERE'S NO, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE SAID THAT WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE THE OVERLAY ATTACHED TO THIS PROJECT, BUT IF WE WERE, I KNOW IF WE WERE LOOKING AT JUST AN OVERLAY, WE WOULDN'T HAVE THIS KIND OF COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT. SO I DON'T WANNA MISS THIS OPPORTUNITY TO, YOU KNOW, FORCE OUR COMMUNITY TO HAVE TO GRAPPLE WITH URBAN ECONOMICS 1 0 1, UM, AND REALLY THINK ABOUT THAT. SO, BUT I'M, I'M FINE WITH IF IT DIES TOO. I JUST WANTED TO THROW IT OUT THERE. UM, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, VICE MAYOR BACK YOU, I THOUGHT THE DEVELOPER WAS GONNA PROVIDE THIS. THAT'S WHAT I HEARD EARLIER. UM, OKAY, SO IF IT'S GONNA BE PROVIDED YES, PLEASE. PROVIDED BACK TO STAFF, WELL, A COUPLE THINGS. VICE MAYOR. SO WE COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE HAVE A QR CODE ON THE SIGN THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO, THEN THERE IS A QUITE A ROBUST SET OF PLANS ON THE WEBSITE. IT INCLUDES A SHADE STUDY, IT INCLUDES SECTIONS, IT INCLUDES RENDERINGS, IT INCLUDES ELEVATIONS. UM, SO THAT'S ONE WAY TO, WHEN YOU'RE ON THE SITE, IF THERE WAS STORY PULLS OR A DRONE CRANE SUSPENDED TOP STORY OR A DRONE SWARM OR WHATEVER THERE IS ALSO HAVE A QR CODE TO KIND OF TAKE BACK TO SOME OF THE DOCUMENTATION THAT IS ON FILE. IS THAT, THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE? NO. NOW HOW ABOUT THE MOTION? I AM . YEAH, I I'M GONNA ASK STAFF TO CLARIFY FOR US AGAIN, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT USING EXISTING CONTENT AND LINKING IT WITH QR TO THE SITE? CORRECT. CORRECT. I'M, UH, JUST SAYING THAT THERE, YOU'RE NOT ASKING, OR YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT PRO INCORPORATING ANY NEW CONTENT, NOT NECESSARILY JUST MAKING SURE THERE'S LINK TO, YOU KNOW, ALL THE CONTENT THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS, WHICH AS I MENTIONED, THERE IS A SHADE SHADE STUDY. THERE ARE ELEVATIONS, THERE ARE SECTIONS, THERE'S A LOT OF DETAIL. DO WE NEED TO, UM, CO-MINGLE THAT EFFORT WITH, UM, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER LES'S MOTION? OR CAN WE ASK? I MEAN, I'M THINKING THAT MAYBE THAT'S A SEPARATE, UM, YEAH, AND I'LL, I'LL ADD ONE MORE PIECE TO MY ADDITIONAL RESOLUTION AS WELL, WHICH IS LISTING ALL THE OTHER BUILDINGS THAT ARE 45 FEET AND OVER ON THE, UM, ON THE STREET FACADE. OKAY. SO, MR. MAYOR, IF I COULD, SO WHAT WE HAVE IS COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY'S MOTION, WHICH FAILED. YES. WE HAVE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLES PROPOSED ALTERNATIVE MOTION THAT I THOUGHT WAS ABOUT TO GET A SECOND, BUT I THINK HE'S STILL CLARIFYING IT, WHICH IS COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY'S MOTION PLUS HIS COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLES, UM, EDITED TEXT ADDED TO THE MOTION THAT I THINK IS, I, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS EXPRESSLY CLEAR, BUT I THINK IT IS INTENDED TO BE SIGNAGE ON THE SITE IN ADDITION TO COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY'S MOTION, WHICH ADDRESSED STORY POLLS AND SOME OPTIONS FOR YES, FOR STORY POLL ALTERNATIVES THAT ARE QUASI STORY POLL LIKE, UM, AND, AND I AND COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY CLARIFIED THE TIMING COUNCIL MEMBER BARNELL, I ASSUME THAT THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE MOTION YOU'RE, YOU'RE PROPOSING TO LAYER ON TOP OF, SO, SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE, UM, STAFF HAVE SAID WE COULD ADD A QR CODE TO THAT SIGNAGE. WERE THERE ANY OTHER THINGS YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT BEING ABLE TO ACTUALLY PUT ON THE, LIKE TO ACTUALLY DO OR DERIVE FOR THE SIGNAGE THAT COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE PROPOSED AS PART OF THE ? NO, I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CIRCLE BACK WITH OUR ECONOMIC CONSULTANT OBVIOUSLY TO, TO HAVE SOME OF THIS ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THE FORM THAT IT NEEDS TO BE. UM, I'LL REMOVE THE TIME COMPONENT TO THIS. DO IT WHEN YOU NEED TO DO IT. UM, UH, CAN I ADD IT DOES PRESENT A CHALLENGE YOU PROPOSING STORY POLLS AND WE'LL BE SEEING THE ITEM MAYBE PRIOR TO SEEING THE STORY POLLS PRIOR TO SEEING, YES. OKAY, I SEE WHERE THIS IS HEADED. I THINK WE SHOULD JUST PROBABLY, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S MY TURN TO CALL THE QUESTION HERE THAT, UM, I MEAN, AND I WILL, BEFORE I CALL THE QUESTION, I JUST WANNA SAY I, I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN A LITTLE CONVOLUTED. I UNDERSTAND THE POINT. I THINK I, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU MENTIONED SOAPBOX, I THINK WE SHOULD GET ON SOAPBOX AND SAY THINGS LIKE THIS. I'M NOT SURE THAT THIS IS GONNA BE A WINNER. YOU KNOW, I DON'T, AND COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, SCHIBS, I, I AGREE WITH, UH, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, BARNACLES, UH, [03:15:01] PROPOSAL AT THIS TIME, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND IT THAT, UM, WE ARE GOING TO ASK THE DEVELOPER TO FUND 50% OF THIS AND THAT WE WILL COVER THE OTHER 50% UP TO $25,000. YEAH. INITIAL, THE INITIAL PROPOSAL, NO, I DON'T BELIEVE THE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY'S FAILED MOTION INCLUDES THE CITY CONTRIBUTION TO THE PROJECT. YOUR HONOR, I, I MEANT, I, I SAID THAT THE, THAT THE CITY WOULD CONTRIBUTE 50,000, BUT I DIDN'T PUT A 25 K CAP ON IT. SO I DON'T KNOW. ARE YOU, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS JUST THAT WE WILL PAY UP TO $25,000, 50% UP TO $25,000 AND THEN YEAH, SO THE TOTAL PRICE TAGS ABOUT $50,000 FOR THE WHOLE THING. AND, AND ACTUALLY YOU HAD MENTIONED LIGHT AND SOUND, WHICH I BELIEVE ARE SPAR RELATED AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT RELATED AND NOT, UM, RELATED TO STORY POLLS. I DON'T THINK THEY'RE ELIGIBLE FOR ANY CONVERSATION AT THIS TIME. HENCE, NO INVOLVEMENT OF THE CASH AT THIS TIME. I MEAN, IT, WE WILL RUN THROUGH PLANNING AGAIN. AND THAT'S, THAT'S I THINK THE MOMENT FOR THAT ACTION. RIGHT. I JUST, UH, I WOULDN'T MIND, UH, UH, 50% SHARE ON JUST THIS PROJECT ALONE, JUST AS, UH, TELLMAN BARTLE PROPOSED EARLIER. THAT'D BE FINE WITH ME. DIDN'T REALIZE HE WAS ACTUALLY SAYING 50% UP TO 50,000 IS WHAT I JUST WANNA CLARIFY. LET, LET'S RUN BACK TO STAFF FOR A SECOND. , THANKS. WELL, I'M ALSO POINTING OUT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, I BELIEVE THE STORY POLE ESTIMATE WAS $65,000, NOT 50, RIGHT? AND THEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDITIONAL MONEY TOWARDS, UH, ECONOMIC ANALYSIS. SO I'M JUST SAYING THAT THE I, AND I'M, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A GOOD IDEA OF WHETHER DRONE SWARMS OR CRANE SUSPENDED TOP STORIES ARE GOING TO BE, I'M GUESSING THEY'RE GOING TO BE MORE EXPENSIVE, BUT I DON'T HAVE THAT, THAT'S ANECDOTAL. SO WHEN, WHEN WE'RE, WE'RE ADDING COSTS, SO I'M JUST POINTING OUT THAT 50%, I DON'T THINK ANY WAY YOU LOOK AT IT IS GOING TO END UP BEING 25,000. SO JUST DON'T REMOVE THE 25,000 LOT. AND THAT WAS NOT MY SUGGESTION, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT MY MONEY TO SPEND, BUT I'M JUST POINTING OUT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF DIFFERENT NUMBERS. OKAY. I'M GONNA JUST SAY 50% OF THE PROJECT COST WITH A $65,000 MAXIMUM, UH, TOTAL PROJECT COST OR, UH, WITH A MAXIMUM OF $30,000 FROM THE CITY PUTTING IN ON IT. UM, SO 60,000, THAT WOULD BE, UM, I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY GONNA LOSE ANYWAY, BUT I'M GONNA PUT IT OUT THERE. YEAH, THIS HAS GOT VERY, I MEAN, I'M VERY RETICENT TO, YOU KNOW, PROJECT THINGS WHERE WE HAVE NO IDEA THE COST AND, AND NO IDEA THE AVAILABILITY AND NO IDEA. YEAH, I MEAN, SO LIKE, AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THE, THE SENTIMENT HERE, BUT AT THIS POINT, OKAY. BUT I JUST WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT TOO THAT BY CAPPING THE COST, YOU MAY NOT GET WHAT YOU WANT AND THEN WE MIGHT HAVE TO COME BACK. I'LL JUST WITHDRAW THE MOTION. THANK YOU, . THANK YOU. THAT WAS GRACEFUL. WE APPRECIATE THAT. AND, UM, WITH THAT, UM, WE HAVE CONCLUDED THIS ITEM FOR THE EVENING, AND, UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE, UH, WE WILL NOW MOVE TO OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS ITEM 10, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE DIRECTION FOR RESUMING A VIRTUAL PARTICIPATION AT, UH, COUNCIL MEETINGS. AND, UM, SINCE WE HAVE WHAT APPEARS TO BE A, A LARGE MOVEMENT IN OUR AUDIENCE, WHY DON'T WE TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK RIGHT HERE. THANK YOU. AND, AND, UH, RETURN IN FIVE MINUTES. I'M NOT TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, SHE DIDN'T KNOW . OKAY. LET'S, UM, BRING US BACK TO ORDER AND, UM, WE ARE, UM, BACK IN SESSION FOR ITEM 10. ITEM 10 IS DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE DIRECTION FOR RESUMING VIRTUAL PARTICIPATION AT COUNCIL MEETINGS. AND, UH, FOR THIS ITEM TONIGHT, WE HAVE PATRICK CARTER, ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER. WELCOME PATRICK. THANK YOU MAYOR. AND THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR HEARING THIS ITEM TONIGHT. UH, WHERE WE'LL BE DISCUSSING ABOUT, UM, STAFF'S KIND OF THOUGHT PROCESS ON RESUMING VIRTUAL PARTICIPATION AT COUNCIL MEETINGS, AND REALLY HOW WE KEEP OUR COMMUNITY SAFE, UM, THROUGH THESE MEETINGS. SO CYCLING THROUGH HERE, UH, JUST A BRIEF BACKGROUND. THE BROWN ACT, UM, REQUIRES PARTICIPATION OF THE PUBLIC, OR AT LEAST ACCESS, UM, TO THE DELIBERATIVE PROCESS THAT THE COUNCIL GOES THROUGH DURING PUBLIC MEETINGS. UM, IT DOES NOT REQUIRE THAT TO BE VIRTUAL. UM, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS ADDED [03:20:01] FOR THE MOST PART DURING C OVID 19 WHEN IT WAS PHYSICALLY NOT POSSIBLE. THERE WERE HEALTH ORDERS IN PLACE THAT PREVENTED PEOPLE FROM GATHERING IN PERSON TO PROVIDE THAT FEEDBACK AND THAT, UH, ACCESSIBILITY. UM, WE FOUND, UM, HAVING MANY MEETINGS COMPLETELY VIRTUAL, UM, ALLOWED THE PUBLIC TO STILL BE A PART OF THAT PROCESS, STILL BE ABLE TO VOICE THEIR THOUGHTS AND THEIR COMMENTS ON MATTERS OF IMPORTANCE TO THE CITY. WITH THE LIFTING OF THE HEALTH ORDERS, UH, WE RESUMED HAVING IN-PERSON MEETINGS, AND WE'VE SWITCHED TO A HYBRID MODEL WHICH INVOLVED BOTH HAVING PEOPLE IN PERSON IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AND ALSO ALLOWING MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT VIRTUALLY THROUGH ZOOM. AND, UM, ALL THE PROCESS THAT WE HAD SET UP AS A RESULT OF THAT. UNFORTUNATELY, A FEW WEEKS AGO, STARTING HERE IN PETALUMA AT OUR COUNCIL MEETING ON OCTOBER 2ND OF THIS YEAR, UH, WE HAD SEVERAL COMMENTERS THAT DISRUPTED THE MEETING DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, UM, BY SPEAKING OFF COMMENT OFF TOPIC, UM, AS THE CITY ATTORNEY, UH, EXPLAINED IN THE BEGINNING OF THIS MEETING. AND, UH, AS WE EXPERIENCED, UH, HERE IN IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS, UH, FOR ONE OF THE COMMENTS, THERE WERE COMMENTS THAT WERE NOT ON THE SUBJECT MATTER MATTER JURISDICTION OF THE COUNCIL, AND THEREFORE WERE DISRUPTIVE. AND THOSE MEETINGS WERE, UM, WERE CUT OFF, UH, ESPECIALLY AFTER THERE'S A PATTERN, PATTERN EVIDENT, UM, FROM THOSE DISRUPTIONS THAT WERE ALL OF A, A SIMILAR, AN INTERESTING INSIGHT THAT WE GOT FROM ZOOM, UM, WHEN WE INVESTIGATED, UM, THIS WAS, WE FOUND THAT NONE OF THOSE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT SPEAKERS, UM, AND IT INCLUDED, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST THE COMMENTS THEMSELVES, BUT SOME OF THE USERNAMES THAT WERE USED WERE PURPOSEFULLY HURTFUL. UM, THEY DIDN'T HAVE A PETALUMA LOCATION. WE SAW LOCATIONS FROM, UM, PORTLAND, OREGON, B BUFFALO, NEW YORK, SALT LAKE CITY, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME FROM SAN FRANCISCO, SAN JOSE, BUT EVEN OSLO, NORWAY. AND I THINK THAT THAT KIND OF SPEAKS TO, UM, WELL, ONE OF TWO THINGS, EITHER THAT THE COMMENTERS WERE FROM PETALUMA AND THEY KNEW THAT THEIR ACTIONS WERE SHAMEFUL AND THEY HID BEHIND, UM, THE ANONYMITY OF ZOOM TO MASK THEIR LOCATION, OR THEY ACTUALLY WEREN'T FROM THIS COMMUNITY, UM, AND WOULDN'T BE COHERENT IN PUBLIC, UM, SPEAKING TO THOSE ITEMS BECAUSE THEY, THEY KNEW THAT, UM, THAT WASN'T SOCIALLY ACCEPTABLE, BUT IT DID HAVE A CHILLING EFFECT ON, UM, PARTICIPATION. AND SO WE, WE LOOKED AT DIFFERENT PARTICIPATION OPTIONS, UM, THAT WE COULD PROVIDE, ESPECIALLY LOOKING TO THAT SAFETY ASPECT OF IT, UM, TO THE WHOLE COMMUNITY. UM, WE'VE, WE'VE HEARD FROM PUBLIC COMMENTERS THAT FEEL LIKE THEY DON'T WANT TO, UM, PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROCESS FOR FEAR OF BEING IDENTIFIED AND SOMEHOW TARGETED, UM, FOR THEIR, FOR THEIR VIEWS ON, ON CERTAIN ISSUES. UM, AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL, WHICH IS PART OF OUR COMMUNITY AS WELL, UM, FEELING UNCOMFORTABLE, UM, AND RIGHTFULLY SO WITH SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE. SO AS ALWAYS, UM, AS IS HAS BEEN IN THE CASE, UH, EVEN THROUGH COVID, UM, EMAILING THE CITY CLERK HAS ALWAYS BEEN AN OPTION. IF YOU HAVE, UH, COMMENTS THAT YOU WANT TO BE PART OF THE RECORD, THOSE CAN GO TO THE CITY CLERK. AND NOW WITH OUR, UH, IN-PERSON MEETINGS, SHOWING UP TO THE MEETINGS IS AN OPTION. UM, AND THE PUBLIC CAN SPEAK AT THE MEETING AND AT LIVE. UM, THE OTHER OPTION, JUST TO KIND OF REVIEW A COUPLE OF OPTIONS THAT WE LOOKED AT FOR VIRTUAL INCLUSION, UM, ALL ITEMS, UM, YOU KNOW, THESE, THIS IS BASICALLY THE OLD STATUS QUO WHERE ALL ITEMS, INCLUDING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, WOULD BE ALLOWED FOR VIRTUAL PUBLIC COMMENT. UM, AND THEN WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE OPTION OF DOING AGENDA ITEMS ONLY. SO THAT WOULD EXCLUDE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT TO PROC PROCLAMATIONS, PRESENTATIONS, COUNSEL COMMENT, AND STAFF COMMENT. SO THAT'S BASICALLY EVERYTHING FROM CONSENT CALENDAR FORWARD. UH, ASSUMING THAT THINGS AREN'T TAKEN OUT OF ORDER WOULD BE, UM, VIRTUAL COMMENT ALLOWED. UNFORTUNATELY, IN OUR RESEARCH, WE DIDN'T FIND ANY CASE LAW THAT WE COULD RELY ON THAT WOULD SAY THAT THAT'S AN ALLOWABLE, UM, UH, BASICALLY GATEKEEPING, UM, PROCESS. UM, AND, AND IN THESE CASES, IT'S NOT ALWAYS GREAT TO BE THE GUINEA PIG THAT TRIES THINGS OUT, UM, ESPECIALLY ON KIND OF FREE SPEECH ISSUES THAT TEND TO BE LITIGATED. SO, UH, WE DIDN'T SEE A GOOD EXAMPLE THERE, BUT WE, WE WANNA STRESS THAT KIND OF THE DEFAULT VALUE THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT WHERE WE WERE COMING FROM [03:25:01] IS HOW DO WE INCREASE THAT INCLUSION BECAUSE WE RECOGNIZE THAT THAT INCLUSION THAT ALLOWED, AND WE'VE HEARD IT FROM, FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT HAVE BEEN SPEAKING WHILE THEY'RE PUTTING THEIR CHILDREN TO BED, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THEY COULD DO IN PERSON. SO, UM, WE ALSO HAVE LIVE SPANISH TRANSLATION, AND I APOLOGIZE TO OUR TRANSLATORS FOR SPEAKING A LITTLE BIT FAST HERE. UM, BUT THAT'S ALSO AVAILABLE THROUGH, THROUGH ZOOM AS WELL. UM, AND TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, PROMOTE THAT INCLUSIVITY THAT COMES WITH THE, THE REMOTE OPTIONS. SO OUR, OUR DEFAULT WAS HOW CAN WE MAKE THIS HAPPEN? WE ALSO LOOKED AT, UM, VIRTUAL COMMENTS THROUGHOUT SONOMA COUNTY. UM, WE CALLED UP, UM, OTHER CITIES AND, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS ATTACK ON, UM, ON MEETINGS. UH, THE ZOOM BOMBING, UM, WAS NOT UNIQUE TO PETALUMA. THE, THE LARGER CITIES, UH, SANTA ROSA, THE COUNTY ESPECIALLY, UM, EXPERIENCED IT. AND AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS TABLE HERE, ONLY THREE CITIES, UM, ARE STILL ALLOWING VIRTUAL COMMENT FOR, UH, LIVE DURING, DURING COUNSELOR TOWN, UM, COUNCIL MEETINGS. AND THAT'S TATI, SPOL AND SONOMA. SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE ISSUE OF, YOU KNOW, HOW COULD YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WOULD IT THE IMPLICATIONS BE IF WE RESUME VIRTUAL COMMENT? AND THIS REALLY APPLIES TO VIRTUAL COMMENT ON ALL ITEMS, UM, FOR THE REASONS I MENTIONED ABOUT NOT HAVING CITABLE CASE LAW FOR A SUBSET OF, OF ITEMS ALLOWING THAT VIRTUAL PARTICIPATION. UM, WE RECOGNIZE THE INCLUSIVENESS OF THAT, UM, WHICH CAN BE A, A DOUBLE-EDGED SWORD AT TIMES. UM, BECAUSE THAT DOES ALLOW ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC, WHETHER THEY'RE A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY OR NOT, OR IF THEY'RE CALLING IN FROM OSLO, NORWAY, UM, TO PROVIDE COMMENTS ON, ON THE ITEM. UM, WE DO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE'S CLIMATE AND TRANSPORTATION BENEFITS FROM VIRTUAL PARTICIPATION. EACH PERSON THAT'S PARTICIPATING BY ZOOM FROM THEIR HOME IS ONE LESS CAR ON THE ROAD AND ONE LESS PERSON LEAVING THE MEETING AFTER 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, POTENTIALLY. UM, BUT STILL HAVING THAT OPTION TO, TO PARTICIPATE IN THE MEETING. AND THIS ISSUE OF PARTICIPANT SAFETY, UM, THIS KIND OF STRIKES HOME TO THE COMMENTS WE RECEIVED ABOUT NOT FEELING WELCOME OR NOT FEELING COMFORTABLE, UM, SHARING THEIR FACE IN, IN PUBLIC. SO IF THEY WERE ABLE TO BE IN THEIR, IN THEIR HOME, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT GIVES THEM, YOU KNOW, AS A MAKER OF LEGITIMATE COMMENTS RELEVANT TO THE ITEM, THE SAFETY OF, OF NOT HAVING TO FEEL LIKE THEY'RE TARGETED. UM, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF, OF THE COIN FOR RESUMING VIRTUAL COMMENT, FOR ALL, ALL, UM, AGENDA ITEMS, WE'RE NOT HEARING ABOUT THIS BEING A PHASE AND DISRUPTIONS DECREASING. WE'RE HEARING ABOUT IT SPREADING TO MORE AND MORE CITIES. UM, AND THOSE DISRUPTIONS SUPPRESSED LEGITIMATE PUBLIC COMMENT, LIKE I JUST MENTIONED, PEOPLE NOT FEELING COMFORTABLE, UM, SPEAKING THEIR, THEIR VIEWS ON CERTAIN ISSUES. AND WE DID A LOT OF DIGGING INTO ZOOM ON HOW WE COULD POTENTIALLY USE THE TOOLS THAT ZOOM OFFERS AS WAYS TO PROTECT AND POTENTIALLY REMOVE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE ABUSING THE SYSTEM. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S, IT, IT'S, IT'S A REALLY QUICK PROCESS TO BYPASS THE ZOOM SECURITY MEASURES BY CREATING A FAKE EMAIL, OR EVEN IF YOU'RE A LITTLE BIT MORE SOPHISTICATED, UM, DOING A, A VIRTUAL PRIVATE NETWORK TO MASK YOUR LOCATION, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT IP ADDRESS, INTERNET PROTOCOL ADDRESS, AND YOU KNOW, FROM ZOOM'S PERSPECTIVE, YOU'RE A DIFFERENT PERSON. SO EVEN IF YOU REPORT, IF THAT PERSON WAS REPORTED FOR ABUSE OF THE SYSTEM THERE, YOU KNOW, WITH NOT A LOT OF EFFORT, THERE'S A WAY TO GET AROUND THAT. SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, AND WE WILL DEFINITELY KEEP ON TOP OF IT, UM, TO LOOK FOR OTHER IMPROVEMENTS THAT ZOOM MAY COME UP WITH IN THE FUTURE. BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, UM, WE SEE SOME GLARING HOLES IN THAT. UM, AND THEN JUST THE, THE LAST BOLT ON HERE IS LIKE THAT, THE SUGGESTION OF POTENTIALLY ALLOWING A SUBSET OF COMMENTS, UM, THAT COMES WITH A RISK, AND IT'S AN, IT'S KIND OF AN UNKNOWN AMOUNT OF RISK, UNFORTUNATELY. IT'S A KNOWN UNKNOWN ON THAT. SO WITH THAT, UM, THE, THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS, UM, WE WANT TO KEEP LOOKING AT OPTIONS WHERE WE CAN PROVIDE A VIR A SAFE VIRTUAL, UM, LIVE COMMENT OPTION. BUT AT THIS TIME, WE'RE [03:30:01] RECOMMENDING CONTINUING WITH THE CURRENT PRACTICE, WHICH IS ALLOWING THE COMMENTS TO COME TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE THROUGH EMAIL AND TO ALLOW, UM, LIVE COMMENTS IN CHAMBERS AND, UH, AND CONTINUING TO LOOK FOR OTHER WAYS THAT WE CAN INCREASE THAT, UM, PARTICIPATION, UM, AND REPORT BACK AS, AS WE FIND NEW SOLUTIONS. SO WITH THAT, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT THE COUNCIL MAY HAVE AND RECEIVE FEEDBACK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE REPORT AND FOR THE INVESTIGATIONS, UH, YOU'VE DONE ON THAT. IT'S OBVIOUSLY A TRICKY, COMPLICATED SITUATION IN THE WORLD OR EVERYWHERE TODAY. AND SO, UM, LET'S BRING IT UP TO COUNCIL FOR QUESTIONS. COUNCIL MEMBER POKAY. THANK YOU. UM, YEAH, I, I, I REALLY FEEL WE HAVE TO GIVE IT ONE MORE SHOT SOMETIME, UH, NOT NECESSARILY NOW, I, I WONDER IF THERE'S ANY, UH, UM, UM, KNOWN, UH, PROPENSITY FOR HATE SPEECH AROUND THE HOLIDAYS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. YOU KNOW, I, I WAS THINKING OF WHETHER WE, YOU KNOW, A GOOD TIME TO, YOU KNOW, UH, UM, LET IT GO FOR THE HOLIDAYS AND, AND, AND, AND, UH, MAKE A PLAN TO, UH, TO TRY RESUMING, I MEAN, UNLESS THINGS GET WORSE, YOU KNOW, TO THINK ABOUT RES I'M NOT ACTUALLY, DON'T MEAN TO MAKE THIS AS AN MOTION NOW, BUT TO CONSIDER, UH, RESUMING, UH, IN PERSON, JUST TO TRY IT ONCE MORE. IF WE GOTTA STOP IT, FINE. YEAH, I WAS GONNA ASK YOU IF THAT'S A MOTION, BUT THEN I REMEMBERED WE'RE HAVING THIS AS DIRECTION AND DISCUSSION TONIGHT. SO, UM, AND COUNCIL MEMBER BARNICLE, UM, I LIKE, I LIKE THAT, UH, SUGGESTION, COUNCIL MEMBER POST DECAY. UM, JUST WANNA SHARE, I'M ON A BOARD WHERE WE, UM, THE CHAIR IS ADAMANT ABOUT KEEPING, UH, VIRTUAL PUBLIC COMMENTS. AND, UM, AND THERE'S A PERSON WHO CALLS IN EVERY MEETING WITH RACIST ANTI-SEMITIC REMARKS, AND IT'S, UH, IT'S REALLY, UH, DISRUPTIVE. IT'S NEGATIVE. IT'S, UM, AND, AND I'LL SAY THE CHAIR DOESN'T AN, AN AMAZING JOB OF SHUTTING IT DOWN, NO OFFENSE TO YOU MAYOR, BUT, UM, TO DO, TO MAINTAIN DECORUM IN A MEETING WHERE PEOPLE ARE DOING THAT. AND HE, HE DOES A REALLY GOOD JOB OF IT. YOU HAVE TO BE A JERK AS THE MAYOR, AND IT PUTS YOU LIKE TO DO IT. BECAUSE WHAT WE EXPERIENCED THE OTHER NIGHT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF LIKE, OH, YOUR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT? FIRST AMENDMENT, AND YOU JUST, LIKE, YOU HAVE, I MEAN, HE'S ADAMANT ABOUT JUST SHUTTING IT DOWN AND JUST RECITING THE LAW RIGHT BACK TO THEIR FACE AND SAYING, YOU KNOW, REMOVE THEM FROM THE MEETING. AND, UM, IT IS, IT CREATES AN UNCOMFORTABLENESS IN THE MEETING. UM, AND SO I THINK IT CAN BE DONE, BUT, UM, I WOULD, I WOULD, BEFORE WE DO IT, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO WATCH A BACKMAN BOARD MEETING AND SEE THE WAY, UH, THE CHAIR HANDLES IT BECAUSE IT'S, UM, I MEAN IT'S, YOU KNOW, VERY, VERY ASSERTIVE. UM, AND, UM, I'M NOT SURE THAT WE WANT TO, I I'M NOT PREPARED TO SUPPORT IT COMING BACK BEFORE THE HOLIDAYS, I THINK AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR, I MIGHT BE ABLE TO, BUT, UM, I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT EXPERIENCE. 'CAUSE I'VE BEEN EXPERIENCING THIS A LOT ON THIS SPECIFIC BOARD BECAUSE WE HAVE FIVE BOARD MEETINGS A MONTH, SO COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY. SO I'M, I'M ALSO, UM, KIND OF IN THE SAME ALIGNMENT AS COUNCIL MEMBER , UM, TO MAYBE CONSIDER REVISITING THIS, UM, EARLY IN THE NEW YEAR, AND ESPECIALLY IF THE INTERNATIONAL SITUATION HAS CALMED DOWN A LITTLE BIT BY THEN, WHICH HOPEFULLY IT WILL. UM, BUT I HAD A QUESTION FOR STAFF AND, AND, UM, IF, IF, IF THE BROWN ACT AND THE CASE LAW CONSTRUING THE BROWN ACT, WERE NOT CONSTRAINTS, IS THERE A TECHNICAL FIX? IS THERE A TECHNICAL WAY TO DO GATEKEEPING? AND AND PART OF THE REASON I'M ASKING THAT IS I'VE JUST BEEN REAPPOINTED TO THE, UH, LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITY'S POLICY COMMITTEE, UM, ON GOVERNANCE, TRANSPARENCY AND LABOR RELATIONS, AND THAT'S THE POLICY COMMITTEE THAT OVERLOOKS LEGISLATION AROUND THE BROWN ACT IN SACRAMENTO. AND I, I THINK THE LEAGUE MAY WANT TO SPONSOR LEGISLATION IN, IN THIS SPACE IN THE NEXT, NEXT YEAR. AND I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LEGISLATION MIGHT LOOK LIKE. SO, IF, IF, IF THE BROWN ACT WEREN'T A CONSTRAINT, IF IT WAS MODIFIED BY THE LEGISLATURE, IS THERE A, A, A, A GATEKEEPING FIX THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY USE THAT YOU'D BE COMFORTABLE WITH? YOU CAN ANSWER THAT NOW, OR JUST GET BACK TO ME LATER. I THINK WE'D WANT TO THINK ABOUT IT MORE BECAUSE IT'S, UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S JUST THE BROWN ACT. I THINK THERE'S THE FIRST AMENDMENT ISSUES THAT, THAT TIE INTO IT. AND I THINK I'D WANT TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY, UM, IN, IN A LESS TIME CONSTRAINED MANNER. RIGHT. OOPS, I'M [03:35:01] SORRY. THAT'S VERY LOUD. UM, AND IT'S, I MEAN, AND IT'S, IT'S A LONG DISCUSSION IN AND OF ITSELF, BUT, BUT PATRICK'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THE ISSUE IS IT'S THE BROWN ACT, UM, ACCOMMODATING THE, THE, UM, THE, THE FIRST AMENDMENT AND THE LIBERTY OF SPEECH CLAUSE IN THE CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION ABOUT THINGS LIKE PRE-REGISTRATION AND, AND WHAT THE BROWN ACT IS RECOGNIZED IN THE CALIFORNIA LAWS RECOGNIZES THAT. UM, AND THERE'S, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF GOOFY EXAMPLES OF, OF PEOPLE COMING TO COUNCIL MEETINGS IN DISGUISE AND COSTUMES REFUSING TO IDENTIFY THEMSELVES. SO THERE, THERE'S THINGS WE CAN ASK PARTICIPANTS TO DO, LIKE TO, TO FILL OUT SPEAKER CARDS, FOR EXAMPLE, BUT THEY CAN DECLINE. AND, AND WE CAN TELL BY SOME OF, SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE, AS PATRICK POINTED OUT, UM, PURPOSELY HURTFUL NAMES THAT PEOPLE HAD REGISTERED UNDER OR SIGNED ON UNDER ARE A CLUE, BUT SOME, SOME WERE NOT. SO THAT'S THE ISSUE, AND WE CAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY EXAMINE IT MORE AND, AND, AND TRY AND COME BACK IN LINE WITH WHATEVER THE COUNCIL ENDS UP DIRECTING. THANK YOU. I FEEL LIKE IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THAT NOBODY ELSE HAS EVER EXPERIENCED ANTI-SEMITISM OR HATE. UM, I FEEL AS THOUGH WE NEED TO HOLD OFF, UM, WHEN ONE WORD GETS OUT, THAT ONE WORD STILL GOT OUT. SO IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW QUICK SOMEBODY IS TO SHUT SOMETHING DOWN, IT'S THE WORD THAT THEY WANNA DO. I'M WATCHING OTHER MEETINGS AND I'M LOOKING AT ALL THE RESOLUTIONS THAT PEOPLE ARE PUTTING, AND I'M ALSO LISTENING TO THE COMMENTS THAT ARE BEING MADE. AND TO EVEN BRING, WANNA EVEN BRING A RESOLUTION OUT AS WAS PROPOSED EARLIER. UM, MAYBE YOU SHOULD LOOK AT THE MEETINGS AND LISTEN TO WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING, AND MAYBE YOU AGREE WITH THEM OR NOT. BUT, UM, IT, IT'S REALLY HURTFUL AND IT CERTAINLY DOES NOT MAKE ME FEEL COMFORTABLE. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WHEN THESE PEOPLE GOT UP TODAY, I WATCHED THAT RICHMOND MEETING, AND I WILL TELL YOU, MAYBE EVERYBODY SHOULD RE LISTEN TO IT. AND THEN YOU SHOULD GO TO THE, UM, TO THE, UM, ALAMEDA DEMOCRATIC CENTRAL COMMITTEE MEETING AND SEE WHAT RESOLUTION THEY PASSED. AND THEY WERE ALL HATEFUL. AND THE COMMENTS YOU HAD TO LISTEN TO FOR HOURS WERE HATE, HATE, HATE, AND ONE WORD GETS OUT, AND THEN WE'RE, THEN IT JUST, THE CYCLE COMES BACK. I'M NOT INTERESTED IN BRINGING ZOOM BACK. I, I WOULD LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, REVIEW IT AND SEE IF THINGS CALM DOWN, BUT IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT HERE. WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED IN HEALDSBURG. I MEAN, THE EMAILS, UH, THE TEXT OR ON FACEBOOK THAT A SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER MADE ABOUT, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, KELLY, UM, ARIEL KELLY, THEY WERE HORRIBLE. THIS IS A SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER IN SONOMA COUNTY WITH THE ROSELAND SCHOOL DISTRICT. AND SO IT'S NOT JUST ZOOM, IT IS BIGGER THAN THAT, AND IT'S HAPPENING IN THIS CITY AND THIS COUNTY ALSO. SO I'M NOT INTERESTED IN BRINGING IT BACK, UM, UNTIL THERE'S SOME SAFEGUARDS TO, UM, UNLESS THERE'S SOME DELAYS. IF YOU HAVE A DELAY, THEN YOU CAN STOP IT. BUT UNTIL A DELAY IS PUT IN, UM, YOU ARE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO STOP, UM, THIS TYPE OF BEHAVIOR. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER BURNOW. UM, THANK YOU AND THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, PETER THOMPSON. I, I SYMPATHIZE WITH YOU. IT IS JUST AWFUL WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW? RIGHT NOW, I DON'T THINK WE NEED ANY VIRTUAL COMMENTS UNTIL MAYBE SIX MONTHS AS A COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY POINTED OUT, THE WORLD JUST KIND OF HAS TO CALM DOWN. AND, UM, THE COMMENTS VIA EMAIL AND EVEN PHONE MESSAGES THIS WEEKEND AND THIS LAST WEEK WERE SUCCESSFUL. TONIGHT'S MEETING. AND IN OUR COMMUNITY EVEN, UM, I DROVE INTO A PARKING LOT AND ALL THESE PEOPLE WERE FRANTICALLY OUT OF THEIR CARS. AND, AND THIS GENTLEMAN WAS JUST COMING OUT OF HIS STORE JUST RANTING HATE VOCABULARY AND, AND RHETORIC. AND, AND, AND EVERYBODY WAS LIKE, READY TO POUNCE HIM. AND I'M LIKE, NO, WE NEED TO CALL THE AUTHORITIES AND, YOU KNOW, JUST WALK AWAY FROM HIM AND WE'LL CALL THE AUTHORITIES TO HAVE, BUT THERE, THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO ARE EVEN VOICING THIS HATE, AND IT'S TERRIBLE. AND, AND IT'S REALLY HARD WHEN YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT DAILY, NOT JUST AT A, AT A PUBLIC FORUM. SO, UM, I AGREE THAT WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE ANY ZOOM RIGHT AT THE MOMENT. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER SCHREVE. [03:40:03] OKAY, SO I, I THINK I'M PRETTY MUCH IN AGREEMENT WITH WHAT'S BEING SAID. UH, I JUST WANNA POINT OUT A COUPLE THINGS. UM, BUT THE GOOD AND, AND THE BAD OF, OF, WITH THE, WITH THE ZOOM, I KNOW THERE'S A, A LOT OF FOLKS THAT WOULD LOVE, LOVE TO BE ABLE TO CALL IN FROM HOME. AND THERE'S A CRITICAL PERIOD AS WE MAKE PRESENTATIONS, LOTS OF INFORMATION GETS EXCHANGED, LOTS OF IDEAS GET GENERATED DURING THE PRESENTATIONS, AND THEN A DECISION GETS MADE IMMEDIATELY, WE GET VOTED ON, WE MAKE A VOTE ON. AND SO THERE'S A VERY NARROW WINDOW OF ACTUALLY SAYING, UH, GIVING INPUT AT THAT POINT. ONCE YOU REALIZE, OH, I, I WANNA BE ABLE TO GIVE SOME INPUT, AND THEN DECISIONS MADE VERY QUICKLY. SO UNLESS THERE'S A DELAY IN THEIR PART OF SPEAKING OR DELAY ON OUR PART BETWEEN THE PRESENTATIONS AND THE DECISION MAKING. SO AS LONG AS THAT'S A VERY SHORT TI TIME PERIOD THEN, AND A LOT OF FOLKS FEELING LIKE THEY WANNA BE ABLE TO GIVE THAT INPUT. SO WE HAVE TO GIVE THAT OPPORTUNITY. SO YEAH, WE CAN DELAY FOR THE TIME BEING. MAYBE WE STILL WANNA LEAVE THE DOOR OPEN. WE WANT TO GET THERE. UM, THERE IS SOME DIFFICULTIES I, I, I'D GO FOR MAYBE, UM, THERE'S A DIFFERENT RULES ABOUT GENERAL, UH, COMMENT VERSUS SPECIFIC ITEMS, UH, AGENDA ITEM COMMENT, AND A LITTLE BIT MORE STRUCTURED AND, AND STRICT. SO IF WE COULD ACTUALLY DIVIDE THOSE TWO OUT, UH, 'CAUSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT IS ALMOST ABOUT, ALMOST ABOUT ANYTHING, BUT WE'VE DONE A BETTER JOB OF KIND OF GETTING THAT COLLAPSE DOWN. UM, BUT GETTING TO ITEMS, SO IF IT'S AGENDA ITEMS ONLY WHEN WE GET THERE, WE'D ACTUALLY GO STEPWISE AND, AND TRY THAT. AND IF IT'S, IT HAS TO BE SPECIFICALLY ON THAT ITEM, GIVE FOLKS A CHANCE TO GET TO JUMP IN. SO THAT MIGHT BE A POSSIBILITY. AND ANOTHER THING IS, I KNOW TRAINING AS TEACHERS, PART OF THE JOB OF BEING A TEACHER IN HIGH SCHOOL, WE GET TRAINED IS, UM, UH, TRAINING, BEHAVIOR TRAINING, UM, AND JUST REEMPHASIZING WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. AND THAT'S PARTLY WHAT WE ALSO NEED TO DO IS THIS IS PARTLY CONTINUOUSLY HAVE THAT MESSAGE OF TRAINING IS THAT THIS IS APPROPRIATE BEHAVIOR, THIS IS NOT, UH, SO WE JUST NEED TO KEEP TALKING ABOUT IT, UH, CONTINUOUSLY. UM, EVEN IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING RIGHT NOW AT THE MOMENT THAT WE, YEAH, SO WE NEED TO REVISIT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME FORM OF COMMUNICATION CAN BE. AND THE OTHER THING WE CAN DO IS GUARANTEE THAT BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, IF FOLKS DO WANT TO BE ABLE TO GIVE US INPUT, ANYTHING WRITING IN THE PHONE, LIKE THE, I SAW IT FOR THE FIRST TIME, AN ACTUAL RECORDED, UH, RECORDING MESSAGE COME THROUGH. SO THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME I SAW THAT, UH, THIS MORNING. SO IF WE CAN SAY, I GUARANTEE THAT WE WILL READ AND LISTEN TO EVERY INPUT AND MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS THAT WE ARE DOING THAT, UH, IN THIS PROCESS. UM, 'CAUSE THERE THERE ARE FEAR THAT, OH, WELL, WE'RE NOT READING, WE'RE JUST MAKING OUR UP OUR OWN MINDS. BUT IF WE CAN GUARANTEE THAT WE ARE LISTENING AND, AND, UM, LOOKING AT WHATEVER'S BEING SAID AND DIGESTING IT, UM, AND JUST EMPHASIZE THAT, THEN WE, WE CAN HOLD OFF ON ZOOM FOR A LITTLE WHILE LONGER, I THINK. I MEAN, THOSE ARE MY IDEAS AND COMMENTS. THANK YOU. AND, UM, CONCUR PRETTY MUCH WHAT'S, UH, BEEN BEING SAID HERE. AND I HAVE ONE, AN ANECDOTE I SHARED AS WELL. I SIT ON THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD, WHICH AS YOU MIGHT GUESS IS A LITTLE SKEWED OLDER. AND, UM, AT THEIR RECENT MEETING, TWO THINGS HAPPENED. ONE, WE ADDED TWO, UH, VERY YOUNG, UH, MEMBERS. THEY WERE PROBABLY BOTH UNDER 50. AND, UM, AND THEN WE ALSO, UM, UH, HAD TO DELIBERATE ON WHETHER TO HAVE, UM, ZOOM PARTICIPATION FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER. AND, UH, INITIALLY THE, UH, CONTINUING THE, UH, THE, UM, LIBRARY BOARD MEMBERS WHO HAD BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE SAID, UH, THERE'S REALLY NO POINT IN CHANGING THINGS. THERE'S NOTHING BROKE. DON'T FIX IT. AND, UH, THE, THE YOUNGER FOLKS WHO, TO BE FAIR PROBABLY IN THEIR THIRTIES, UM, WERE UM, UM, UM, PROPOSED THAT, UH, THAT THERE'S AN AGE, UM, DIFFERENTIAL. WHAT IS NORMAL FOR A 70 YEAR OLD IS NOT NORMAL IN A, UH, 30 YEAR OLD. THEIR WORLDS ARE, ARE DIFFERENT. AND, UM, THAT A 30 YEAR OLD MIGHT BE MORE OF A, A DIGITAL NATIVE AND ASSUME THINGS. AND, UM, TOO MANY OF OUR BOARDS, UH, DON'T HAVE PARTICIPATION FROM, UH, AGE DIVERSE CONSTITUENTS. AND SO IF WE DO WANNA REPLACE OURSELVES WITH SOMEONE A LITTLE YOUNGER AND GET, UH, MORE YOUNGER VOICES IN THE ROOM, UM, WE NEED TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION. THAT MOTION PASSED AND, AND, UH, THE LIBRARY OPENED, UH, IS PROPOSING TO OPEN UP FOR ZOOM. HOWEVER, NONE OF THOSE PEOPLE HAVE HAD PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH THINGS GOING WRONG. IT WAS AN IDEALISTIC THING. AND, AND SO WE'RE TORN BETWEEN TWO WORLDS, WHICH IS THE IDEAL OF WHAT WE WISH WE COULD DO FOR DEMOCRACY AND WHAT PEOPLE IN REALITY DICTATE TO US. SO I'M IN CONCURRENCE WITH WHERE WE'RE HEADED HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY. YEAH, THANK YOU. UM, I JUST WANTED TO GET THE CITY ATTORNEY'S RESPONSE TO COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON'S SUGGESTION THAT MAYBE A, A FIVE OR TEN SECOND DELAY BEFORE, UM, THE COMMENTS GET PIPED INTO THIS ROOM SO THAT STAFF CAN LISTEN TO THEM AND [03:45:01] CUT THEM OFF BEFORE, BEFORE THE COMMENTS COME INTO THIS ROOM. IF, IF, IF, IF, IF THEY GET OFFENSIVE. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ALLOWABLE OR, OR EVEN TECHNICALLY FEASIBLE? UH, SO I THINK, UM, THE, THE ISSUE THAT WE, UM, I IN MY REMARKS TONIGHT, UM, IN THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING AND, AND THE LAST, I THINK TWO OR THREE PRIOR MEETINGS TALKED ABOUT THAT, THAT WHAT KIND OF A FORUM FOR SPEECH PURPOSES CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS ARE, AND THAT IS A LIMITED FORUM. UM, MEANING IT'S, IT'S OPEN TO SOME KINDS OF SPEECH, BUT NOT ALL KINDS OF SPEECH, BUT THE SPEECH IT'S OPEN TO, IT HAS TO BE OPEN TO, ON A CONTENT AND VIEWPOINT NEUTRAL BASIS, AS I THINK YOU ALL KNOW, I KNOW CERTAINLY COUNCILMAN LEY, YOU KNOW, UM, AND SO WHAT A DELAY COULD HELP US DO IS THE THING THAT WE ARE STILL DOING LIVE, WHICH IS DISTINGUISHING THOSE COMMENTS THAT ARE DISRUPTIVE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT DIRECTED AT AUTHORITY THAT THE COUNCIL HAS OR NOT DIRECTED AT THE ITEM BEING DISCUSSED. SO DE DELAY COULD HELP WITH THAT. UM, AND PROBABLY WE COULD DO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE ELEGANTLY IF WE HAD THE TECH TO DO IT, WHICH I'M NOT SURE WE DO OR COULD, BUT WE COULD CHECK THAT'S AN ANSWERABLE QUESTION. UM, BUT WHAT WE STILL CAN'T DO IN ANY CASE IS, UM, IS UM, IS, IS, UM, REGULATE SPEECH AT OUR COUNCIL MEETINGS ON A CONTENT OR VIEWPOINT BASIS WHEN WE DO, UM, WHEN WE, WE CUT OFF A SPEAKER FOR NOT ADDRESSING TOPICS THAT THE COUNCIL'S ABLE TO ADDRESS. UM, THAT'S NOT BASED ON CONTENT, THAT'S BASED ON THE LIMITED NATURE OF THIS FORM. UM, YOU KNOW, IF, AND, AND PART OF THE CHALLENGE AND THE, THE REASON WHY THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS WHAT IT IS, IS, UM, WE ARE SEEING IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS, COMMENTERS SAY EXTREMELY VILE THINGS THAT ARE RELATED TO THE BUSINESS BEING DISCUSSED AND THAT ARE RELATED TO THE THEORETICALLY TO AUTHORITY THAT THE, THE LEGISLATIVE BODY HAS. UM, WE'RE SEEING VERY FEW PEOPLE WILLING TO DO THAT, UM, IN PERSON. SO THAT, THOSE ARE SOME THOUGHTS AND WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WE'LL LOOK AT LOTS OF OTHER THINGS AND WHEN WE COME BACK IN WHATEVER TIMEFRAME THE COUNCIL DIRECTS, BUT THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THE THINGS WE NEED TO NAVIGATE. THANKS, COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE. YEAH. UM, ON THE IDEA OF JUST, YOU KNOW, NOT HAVING IT FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT IS EXACTLY WHAT ERIC SAID. THERE'S, I MEAN, I'M, IT'S AT THE BACKED BOARD MEETING BAY AREA AIR QUALITY MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, AND THERE'S A PERSON WHO CALLS IN AND IF THERE'S, UM, A STAFF MEMBER GIVING A PRESENTATION WHO'S OF ASIAN DESCENT, YOU KNOW, RACIST, RIGHT? COMMUNIST CHINA IS DOING THESE THINGS. IF THERE'S, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS ONE A, A A DOCTOR AND THEY MADE THE, YOU KNOW, ANTI-SEMITIC REMARKS ABOUT THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE, IT, IT, THEY'LL FIND ANYTHING, UM, ANY ITEM AND THEY, AND IT BECOMES, IT'S JUST VILE. UM, SO I, I REALLY THINK WE NEED TO JUST PAUSE ON THIS FOR, FOR NOW, AND THEN THE, THE DELAY SOUNDS GOOD. I WOULD NOT WANT TO BE THE PERSON HAVING TO LISTEN TO THOSE THINGS AND YOU KNOW, LIKE, IT MAY NOT BE IN THE PUBLIC'S IN THE PUBLIC FORUM, BUT ONE OF OUR STAFF PEOPLE, LIKE THEY BETTER HAVE THICK SKIN 'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY CENSORING HATE SPEECH. LIKE, IS THAT, IS THAT THE JOB? LIKE, IS, IS THAT A JOB THAT SOMEONE WANTS TO SIGN UP FOR? NOT ME. YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT I WANT TO PUT, YOU KNOW, OUR STAFF IN A POSITION OF, YOU KNOW, DETERMINING WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S APPROPRIATE AND WHAT'S NOT. I THINK WE, YEAH, I'M NOT SURE WE CAN DELEGATE THAT RESPONSIBILITY. GO BACK TO THE STONE AGE AND, YOU KNOW, COME OUT IN PERSON FOR NOW COUNT, UH, VICE MAYOR COUNCIL, I, I KNOW THAT THE COUNTY, UM, WORKED ON DELAY, BUT THEY HAD TO HAVE LIKE TWO EXTRA PEOPLE. SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE TWO MORE STAFF MEMBERS IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THE DELAY. AND ZOOM DOESN'T DO DELAY AND SO YOU HAVE TO CREATE IT YOURSELF. AND SO I WOULD JUST RATHER WAIT AND HOLD OFF BECAUSE I DO NOT WANT TO HAVE TO LISTEN TO THIS, BUT EVEN THOUGH I'M LISTENING TO OTHER MEETINGS, I DON'T WANNA HAVE TO LISTEN TO IT HERE AND I DON'T THINK IT'S TIME. AND, UM, WE CAN BRING THIS UP AT A LATER DATE. LET'S, UM, LET, LET, LET'S, UM, FOLLOW THE PROCESS AND, UM, INVITE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD TO OCCUR AND, UM, WONDERING IF WE HAVE RECEIVED, UM, ANY EMAILS AHEAD OF TIME FROM OUR CLERK. YES, MAYOR, WE RECEIVED ONE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WAS, UH, POSTED ONLINE. WONDERFUL. THANKS SO MUCH. AND IT APPEARS WE HAVE ONE PUBLIC, UH, COMMENT IN-HOUSE. SO DWAYNE BELLINGER, YOU'RE ON. YES, GOOD EVENING. UM, [03:50:02] I, I'M GENERALLY THE OPINION THAT PEOPLE WHO SAY THINGS THAT ARE OBNOXIOUS ARE PROBABLY JUST LOOKING FOR ATTENTION AND THE BEST THING TO DO WITH THEM IS TO SAY, UH, WE FEEL YOUR PAIN NOW GO AWAY. UM, THE ON A MORE SERIOUS, UM, THING IS WHEN I, WHEN I WATCH THE MEETINGS, I GENERALLY SEE A CLOCK WHEN PEOPLE ARE TALKING NOT THEIR FACE AND NOT YOUR FACES EITHER. AND IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT, UH, MOST PEOPLE ARE GENTLER HERE BECAUSE YOU CAN ALL SEE THEIR FACES AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT POSSIBLY THAT, UM, SOME PEOPLE WANNA BE INVISIBLE BECAUSE THEY'RE AFRAID OF BEING PUBLIC. BUT ANYBODY WHO MAKES ANYTHING OBNOXIOUS THAT ANY OF YOU BE EACH HAVE A BUTTON TO PUSH AND IT TAKES THE CLOCK AWAY AND PUTS THEIR PERSON WHO'S MAKING OBNOXIOUS STATEMENTS FACE ON YOUR SCREEN. BUT AT THE SAME TIME IT CUTS OFF THEIR VERBIAGE SO THAT UM, ANYTIME YOU WANT TO LABEL SOMEBODY IS MAKING VILE COMMENTS, YOU BASICALLY CUT OFF THEIR VERBIAGE AND PUT UP THEIR FACE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S LEGAL OR POSSIBLE, BUT THAT WOULD SEEM THAT IT WOULD SHUT THEM UP. AND I WOULD ALSO COMMENT THAT YOU CAN PRETEND YOU THERE, THERE'S WEBSITES YOU CAN GET ONTO TELEPHONE OR EMAILS THAT WILL PRETEND THEY'RE SENDING IT TO YOU, THAT THERE'S NO SECURITY OF KNOWING WHERE THE EMAIL'S COMING FROM OR WHERE A TELEPHONE'S COMING FROM. UM, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S GONNA BE ANY IMPROVEMENT IN THAT OTHER THAN FACIAL RECOGNITION. AND THAT'S WHY I MENTIONED FACIAL RECOGNITION. THANK YOU. AND THAT CLOSES PUBLIC COMMENT. AND BACK TO, UM, COUNCIL LINDA, UM, UM, DO WE BELIEVE WE'VE GIVEN SUFFICIENT, UH, DIRECTION TO STAFF? AND UM, WITH THAT WE WILL CONCLUDE THIS AND STAFF IS CONTENT WITH THE CONTENT. AND UH, WITH THAT WE WILL CONCLUDE THIS ITEM. AND WITH THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED FOR THE EVENING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.