* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. I'M GOING TO [00:00:01] GET THIS MEETING GOING. THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR BEING HERE. I BELIEVE WE HAVE THE MOST PACKED HOUSE WE'VE HAD SINCE WE CAME BACK IN PERSON. UH, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I WANT TO GIVE EVERYBODY HERE A SNAPSHOT OF HOW TONIGHT'S GONNA GO. JUST SO THAT WE HAVE CLARITY ON THE AGENDA. WE'RE ME SWEARING IN A NEW PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBER HAVING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. WE'LL THEN GET INTO OUR FIRST ITEM. WE WILL GET THROUGH THE PRESENTATION FOR THE FIRST ITEM, HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE, ON THE ITEM. THEN WE'LL GO TO GENERAL COMMISSIONER AND COMMITTEE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. THEN HCPC WILL HAVE DISCUSSION AND A POTENTIAL MOTION ON A RECOMMENDATION RELATED TO THE ITEM. THEN AFTER THAT, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL HAVE DISCUSSION AND THEN DO POTENTIAL MOTIONS FOR RECOMMENDATIONS ON A ZONING TAX AMENDMENT, A GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT, AND A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT. SO WE'RE GONNA GET THINGS STARTED. THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. WE'RE GONNA CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER AT 6:01 PM AND WE'RE [OATH OF OFFICE TO NEWLY APPOINTED MEMBER JESSICA MOZES.] GETTING IT STARTED WITH OUR PLANNING MANAGER, ANDREW TRIPLE, ADMINISTERING THE OATH OF OFFICE TO OUR NEWEST PLANNING COMMISSIONER. COME UP, JESSICA. GREAT. THANK YOU, CHAIR. AND, UH, GOOD EVENING, MS. MOSES. I'LL GO AHEAD AND, UH, ADMINISTER YOUR OATH. GREAT. I STATE YOUR NAME, DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR. I JESSICA MOSES, DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT I WILL SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES. THAT I WILL SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, THE CHARTER OF THE CITY OF PETALUMA, AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, THE CHARTER OF THE CITY OF PETALUMA, AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA AGAINST ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC, AGAINST ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC. THAT I WILL BEAR TRUTH, FAITH, AND ALLEGIANCE TO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES. THAT I WILL BEAR TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE TO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, THE CHARTER OF THE CITY OF PETALUMA, AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, THE CHARTER OF THE CITY OF PETALUMA, AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA. THAT I TAKE THIS OBLIGATION FREELY WITHOUT ANY MENTAL RESERVATION OR PURPOSE OF EVASION, THAT I TAKE THIS OBLIGATION FREELY WITHOUT ANY MENTAL RESERVATION OR PURPOSE OF EVASION, AND THAT I WILL WELL AND FAITHFULLY DISCHARGE THE DUTIES UPON WHICH I'M ABOUT TO ENTER, AND THAT I WILL WELL AND FAITHFULLY DISCHARGE THE DUTIES UPON WHICH I AM ABOUT TO ENTER. GREAT. AND SO NEXT, I'LL ASK YOU TO SIGN YOUR OATH. I'LL COUNTERSIGN AND THEN WE'LL INVITE YOU UP TO THE DAYS. OKAY. SHALL I? THANK YOU. OKAY, THREE, WELCOME PLANNING COMMISSIONER. AND WITH THIS WE WILL MOVE INTO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON ITEMS OF PUBLIC INTEREST. CHAIR. I APOLOGIZE, WE HAVE TO DO ROLL CALL. I'VE SKIPPED STRAIGHT PAST ROLL CALL. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. WE SHOULD KNOW WHO'S HERE. PLEASE START. ROLL CALL. COMMISSIONER BAUER. HERE. COMMISSIONER MOSES. HERE. COMMISSIONER MCC LANE. HERE. COMMISSIONER KUSON. HERE. COMMISSIONER WIMAN. HERE. VICE MAYOR CATER THOMPSON. HERE. CHAIR HOOPER. HERE. ACTING CHAIR. VAN AMERIN. HERE. COMMITTEE MEMBER PERLIS. ABSENT. COMMITTEE MEMBER PIT NGARO HERE. COMMITTEE MEMBER WHITLEY. HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM FOR BOTH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE HCPC COMMITTEE. EXCELLENT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NOW [GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT] WE WILL GET TO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON ITEMS OF PUBLIC INTERESTS THAT ARE WITHIN THE PLANNING COMMISSION SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION THAT ARE NOT LISTED ON THE CURRENT AGENDA. PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO UP TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON. DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF PERSONS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION. TIME WILL BE ALLOCATED IN EQUAL SHARES TOTALING NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES. PLEASE NOTE THAT THOSE WANTING TO SPEAK ON THE OVERLAY OR THE HOTEL SHOULD SPEAK DURING PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE ITEM THAT WILL BE COMING UP IN A LITTLE BIT. SO REALLY THIS IS FOR ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA. UH, I'LL NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND ASK SPEAKERS TO BRING UP THEIR CARDS IF THEY HAVEN'T ALREADY. UH, I CURRENTLY HAVE ONE IN MY HAND. JUST WANTED TO ASK THE CLERK IF THERE HAD BEEN ANY COMMENTS RECEIVED PRIOR TO THE MEETING. UH, NONE FOR GENERAL PUBLIC. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND NOW [00:05:01] I WILL CALL SO FAR THE ONE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT I HAVE, WHICH IS FOR NICOLA. I'M ADDRESSING YOU BECAUSE I CARE ABOUT PETALUMA, OUR COMMUNITY AND MAKING IT THE BEST IT CAN BE. NOW I KNOW WE'RE ALL BUSY, AND LET'S TAKE A MOMENT TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT CAN REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE. COMMUNICATION. WE'VE GOT SOME INCREDIBLE PROJECTS AND PROGRAMS HAPPENING IN OUR CITY, BUT SOMETIMES IT FEELS LIKE EVERYONE KNOWS THE FACTS OR DOESN'T KNOW THE FACTS. THAT'S A SHAME BECAUSE WE ARE ALL IN IT ON THE SAME PAGE AND WE CAN ACCOMPLISH AMAZING THINGS TOGETHER. SO HERE'S MY PITCH. LET'S WORK TOGETHER TO STEP OUR COMMUNICATION GAME. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT SOME FANCY HIGH TECH SOLUTION. I'M TALKING ABOUT GOOD OLD FASHIONED COLLABORATION. LET'S BREAK DOWN THOSE BUREAUCRATIC WALLS AND GET ALL OF OUR CITY COMMISSIONS AND COMMITTEES ON THE SAME PAGE TALKING TO EACH OTHER. IMAGINE IF EVERY CITIZEN KNEW WHAT PROJECTS WERE IN THE PIPELINE, WHAT PROGRAMS WERE AVAILABLE, AND HOW THEY COULD BE INVOLVED. IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT TRANSPARENCY. IT'S ABOUT MAKING OUR COMMUNITY STRONGER. INFORMED CITIZENS ARE ENGAGED CITIZENS AND ENGAGED CITIZENS. BUILD A RESILIENT AND VIBRANT CITY. NOW, I GET IT, WE ALL HAVE SPECIFIC AREAS OF FOCUS. IT'S EASY TO GET A TUNNEL VISION, BUT IMAGINE IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION KNEW WHAT THE RECREATION, MUSIC AND PARTS COMMISSION OR THE SENIOR ADVISORY COMMITTEE WAS UP TO AND VICE VERSA. WE COULD FIGHT FIN SYNERGIES AND SHARE RESOURCES AND AMPLIFY OUR IMPACT. LET'S NOT MAKE IT A BUREAUCRATIC NIGHTMARE. I'M NOT ASKING FOR ENDLESS MEETINGS OR COMPLICATED PROCEDURES. I'M TALKING ABOUT A SIMPLE REGULAR EXCHANGE OF INFORMATION, A COMPREHENSION EDUCATION CAMPAIGN, WHICH WOULD INCREASE EVERYONE'S UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS HAPPENING AND WHAT IS POSSIBLE ABOUT THE CHANGES THERE ARE AFOOT. MAYBE A QUARTERLY MEETING OF STAKEHOLDERS OR A NEWSLETTER OR A COMMUNITY BULLETIN WHERE EACH COMMISSION AND COMMITTEE CAN HIGHLIGHT WHAT THEY'RE WORKING ON. SIMPLE, RIGHT? BUT HEY, LET'S NOT FORGET ABOUT TECHNOLOGY IN THIS AGE OF SOCIAL MEDIA AND INSTANT COMMUNICATION. THERE'S NO REASON WE CAN'T LEVERAGE THOSE TOOLS AND KEEP OUR CITIZENS IN THE LOOP. AND A TWEET HERE AND A FACEBOOK POST THERE, IT ALL ADDS UP. AND OUR CHARGE CHANCE THAT THIS CAN BE A BIT SCARY. AND THIS IS ABOUT MAKING PEDAL EVEN BETTER THAN IT ALREADY IS. IT'S ABOUT EMPOWERING OUR CITIZENS AND FOSTERING A SENSE OF COMMUNITY. SO LET'S BREAK DOWN THOSE SILOS, OPEN UP THOSE LINES OF COMMUNICATION AND SHOW EVERYONE THAT PETALUMA IS A CITY WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN SHAPING THE FUTURE, NOT JUST REACTING WHEN THERE IS A DIVERSE DEVICE OF ISSUE. TODAY, WE CAN MAKE PETALUMA SHINING EXAMPLE OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. ALL THAT I'M ASKING FOR IS FOR EACH OF THE COMMISSIONS AND THE COMMITTEES TO MAKE AN EFFORT TO GET ON BOARD AND TO DO THIS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND WE HAVE ONE MORE PUBLIC, GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT FROM DAVID KELLER. HI, GOOD EVENING. UH, DAVID KELLER, PETMAN RIVER COUNCIL. I JUST WANTED TO NOTE, AT LEAST AS OF LAST MONDAY'S CITY COUNCIL MEETING, THERE IS NO CAMERA ON THIS PODIUM. SO WHOEVER IS SPEAKING FROM THE PUBLIC TO YOU AS SEATED REPRESENTATIVES, HAS NO APPEARANCE ON THE CAMERA. WORSE, WHOEVER'S OPERATING THE CONTROLS RUNS THE COUNTDOWN CLOCK ACROSS THE SCREEN. IN FACT, THAT HAPPENED DURING THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING LAST WEEK WHERE CITY COUNCIL WAS GETTING STAFF REPORTS AND THE COUNTDOWN CLOCK WENT UP AS WELL. UM, IT NEVER USED TO BE THAT WAY. WHOEVER'S OPERATING THE CAMERA NEEDS TO GIVE THIS SPOT THE PERSON WHO, WHO IS AT THE PUBLIC PODIUM, THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ON, ON THE CAMERA AND TO BE SEEN AND NOT JUST HEARD BEHIND SOME COUNTDOWN CLOCK. SO WHATEVER CONTROL YOU HAVE OVER THAT, WHATEVER STAFF CONTROL HAS OVER THAT, I REALLY APPEAL TO YOU TO CHANGE THAT. ASAP. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT TO OUR ATTENTION. UH, THAT IS THE END OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED SO FAR. SO I WILL CLOSE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT PART OF OUR AGENDA. WE CURRENTLY HAVE NO PRESENTATIONS FOR TODAY'S MEETING, SO WE WILL NOT BE HOLDING SPECIAL PRESENTATIONS, AND WE DO NOT HAVE MINUTES TO APPROVE SINCE THIS IS A JOINT MEETING. SO WE WILL BE MOVING PAST THAT AND WE'RE MOVING [PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION] STRAIGHT TO PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS OF CONSIDERATION. AND WITH THAT, I WILL INVITE OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR BRIAN O [00:10:01] UP TO TALK ABOUT THE ITEM WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT TODAY IN THE PRESENTATION WE'RE GONNA BE RECEIVING. THANK YOU CHAIR HOOPER AND WELCOME, UH, COMMISSIONER MOSES. UH, YOU PICKED A, A FUN ONE FOR, UH, FOR YOUR FIRST MEETING. UH, SO VICE MAYOR COMMISSIONERS COMMITTEE MEMBERS, MY NAME IS BRIAN O, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT FOR THE CITY OF PETALUMA. I'M JOINED HERE THIS EVENING BY OUR STAFF. AND, UM, WE HAVE, UH, DONE A NUMBER OF, UM, STUDY SESSIONS. UM, AND I'LL JUST PAUSE FOR ONE MOMENT IF ISABELLE, DO YOU MIND? YEAH. SO AS WE WORK TO GET THE PRESENTATION UPLOADED, THERE WE GO. UM, SO GOOD EVENING AGAIN. BRIAN O DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT WITH THE CITY OF PETALUMA. I'M JOINED HERE BY STAFF THIS EVENING. UM, IN A CULMINATION OF, UH, A NUMBER OF STUDY SESSIONS, A NUMBER OF, UH, STUDIES AND DOCUMENTS, ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW THAT HAS CULMINATED INTO A STAFF RECOMMENDATION THIS EVENING FOR BOTH THE COMMISSION AND COMMITTEE TO CONSIDER. UM, TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION AND DELIBERATION WILL FOCUS, UM, ON THE OVERLAY ITSELF. AND SO WE ARE PREPARED TO HAVE A IN-DEPTH PRESENTATION AND FACILITATION, UM, OF A PUBLIC HEARING. ISABEL, NEXT SLIDE. AND I, I JUST WANTED TO, UM, KICK OFF THIS CONVERSATION AND THEN I'LL SOUND DOWN BACK HERE. YOU CAN'T HEAR, IS THERE, I THINK THERE, IS THERE A WAY TO GET SOUND TURNED ON FOR FOLKS IN THE HALLWAY? IS IT MY VOLUME OR IS IT THE SPEAKER? YOU HERE NOW? OKAY. OKAY. THAT WAS JUST ME. ALL RIGHT. WASN'T YOUR NAME AGAIN. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S SOME CHAIRS AVAILABLE ON THE FRONT AS WELL. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, BRIAN O, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT WITH THE CITY OF PETALUMA, THIRD TIME CHARM. THERE WE GO. UM, UH, I JUST WANTED TO, UH, WELCOME, UH, OUR MEMBERS, OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS HERE, VICE MAYOR, OUR COMMISSION AS WELL AS COMMITTEE. WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF STUDY SESSIONS THROUGHOUT THIS YEAR, A NUMBER OF STUDIES, UM, EVERYTHING THAT, UM, HAS BEEN AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC FOR REVIEW. UM, AND THIS EVENING IS A CULMINATION OF THAT. AND SO WE ARE CONCLUDING THE STUDY SESSIONS, UM, AND WHAT STAFF HAS PREPARED. WE HAVE A DETAILED PRESENTATION. UM, WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. UM, BUT OUR INTENT THIS EVENING IS TO FACILITATE A PUBLIC HEARING, UH, FOCUSED ON, UH, THE OVERLAY ITSELF. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO TOUCH ON, UM, A COUPLE POINTS BEFORE I, UH, TURN THIS BACK OVER TO CHAIR HOOPER. UM, THE CITY IS IN THE MIDST OF A GENERAL PLAN, PLAN, UPDATE PROCESS. SO WE'RE, WE'RE ROUGHLY HALFWAY THROUGH THIS EFFORT. UM, AND SO THIS IS VERY MUCH BUILT ON EXISTING PLANS AND POLICIES. THERE'S A NUMBER OF OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS HERE, UM, THAT HAD SPENT, UH, COUNTLESS HOURS, UM, WITH RESPECT TO EXISTING POLICIES, UM, AS WELL AS, UH, THE VISION. AND SO WHAT I HAVE HERE UP ON THE SCREEN IS JUST A SNIPPET. UM, YOU KNOW, WE STARTED THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE PROCESS, UH, IN THE THROES OF THE PANDEMIC. UM, AND A COUPLE OF THE, THE BIG POINTS I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT HERE. UM, YOU KNOW, AS WE START TO LOOK FORWARD FOR THE NEXT 25 PLUS YEARS, UM, YOU KNOW, TWO OF THE PRINCIPLES THAT, UM, WE REALLY ARE FOCUSING ON COMES DOWN TO INFILL FOR LAND USE. SO HOW DO WE DEVELOP AND EVOLVE OUR CITY, OUR TOWN, UM, WITHOUT EXPANDING OUT? SO WE HAVE SOME REALLY GREAT POLICIES. AGAIN, A NUMBER OF OUR COMMUNITY HERE. UM, PLAYED CRITICAL ROLES IN ADOPTING OUR URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY, UM, AND REALLY, UM, PUSHING US TO LOOK WITHIN, SO WHAT WE CALL INFILL. AND SO THAT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE MAXIMIZE THE EXISTING DEVELOPABLE LAND WITHIN OUR CITY? UM, AND SO PETALUMA, LIKE IT SAYS ON THE SLIDE, WE'RE RELATIVELY A BUILT OUT CITY. UM, AND SO WE LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES. UM, WE JUST HAD THE RIBBON CUTTING LAST WEEK FOR OUR SECOND SMART STATION, PETALUMA NORTH. UM, AND SO WE HAVE THESE BIG GAME CHANGING CATA, CATALY CATALYTIC SITES AND PROJECTS, UM, THAT WE'RE LOOKING, UH, TO HELP [00:15:01] SHAPE, UM, THE CITY THAT WE'RE WANTING TO BE. THAT SAID, WE HAVE A, UM, A HISTORY. WE HAVE A CHARM HERE WITH THE CITY HERE. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT HERE FOR THREE AND A HALF YEARS NOW. AND IT, YOU KNOW, DAY ONE, IT'S, IT'S READILY CLEAR, UM, THE VISION AND THE EFFORT THAT THE CITY AND OUR CITY LEADERS HAVE PUT INTO SUSTAINING AND RETAINING AND PRESERVING OUR HISTORIC RESOURCES. UM, AND SO THAT'S STILL VERY MUCH, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE NORTH STARS THAT, UM, OUR TEAM, OUR STAFF, OUR COMMUNITY HAS, UH, WORKED DILIGENTLY TO PRESERVE. UM, AND THAT, UM, IS BUILT INTO THE PROPOSED OVERLAY. AND SO WITH THOSE TWO BIG CONCEPTS, WE LOOK, UM, AT THE DIFFERENT ISSUES, THE DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES, AND THEY POINT US TO WITHIN. SO HOW DO WE FOCUS ON DEVELOPMENT WITHIN OUR DOWNTOWN WITH RESPECT TO OUR HISTORIC RESOURCES? UM, WE PRIORITIZE INFILL AND LET'S FOCUS ON OUR CORRIDORS. SO THIS WAS ANOTHER CONCEPT THAT CAME, UM, THROUGH, UM, REALLY CLEARLY WAS, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE FOCUS OUR DEVELOPMENT ALONG OUR KEY CORRIDORS, PETALUMA BOULEVARD, NORTH WASHINGTON, AND THE LIKE. UM, AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, ON TOP OF THAT, UH, WE'RE A CHANGING CLIMATE. SO WITH RESPECT TO FUTURE PLANNING, SEA LEVEL RISE, UM, THE CHANGE IN OUR, UM, WEATHER PATTERNS, UM, HOW DO WE ADOPT, UM, AND PLAN FOR THAT FUTURE, UM, WITH THE HIGHER SEA LEVEL. AND WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO CHAIR HOOPER, UM, TO FACILITATE AND KICK US OFF. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, BRIAN. AND ONE THING I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY BEFORE WE GO INTO THE FIRST ITEM, UH, WE HAVE ALL SEEN THE LITANY OF COMMENTS THAT HAVE COME IN. WE'VE ALSO SEEN A LOT OF THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE KIND OF COME UP ONLINE. AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY IN A SNAPSHOT OF WHAT TONIGHT IS AND WHAT TO TONIGHT ISN'T. UH, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE OVERLAY AS A PLANNING COMMISSION AS HCPC TOGETHER. WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERYTHING THAT GOES INTO THAT. ALL OF THE, THE ZONING, THE ZONING MAP, THE GENERAL, THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT, THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT, ALL OF THE WORK THAT GOES INTO POTENTIALLY RECOMMENDING ENACTING THE OVERLAY. WE ARE NOT LOOKING AT THE HOTEL. I KNOW THE HOTEL FUNDAMENTALLY COMES UP WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, BUT FROM A PLANNING PROCESS PERSPECTIVE, THAT WILL BE AT A FUTURE HEARING FOR US. SO WHETHER OR NOT WE, WHATEVER WE DO TONIGHT, WE'RE NOT MAKING A DECISION ON THE HOTEL. I JUST REALLY WANT TO REITERATE THAT. 'CAUSE I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A SENTIMENT OUT THERE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO RUBBER STAMP MULTIPLE THINGS AT THE SAME TIME. THAT'S NOT HAPPENING TODAY. WE'RE LOOKING AT, AND WE'RE EVALUATING THE OVERLAY AS IT'S PROPOSED AND AS IT'S BEEN MOST RECENTLY MODIFIED. SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA ANNOUNCE THE FIRST MEETING ITEM. IT'S A RECOMMENDATION TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE HISTORIC AND CULTURAL PRESERVATION COMMITTEE TO CONDUCT A JOINT PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AND RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF GENERAL PLAN AND ZONING AMENDMENTS, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS SUBJECT AMENDMENTS TO THE CITY COUNCIL, AS REQUIRED TO ADOPT AND IMPLEMENT THE PROPOSED DOWNTOWN HOUSING AND ECONOMIC OVER ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY OVERLAY. TO DO THIS, IT WOULD INCLUDE A HISTORIC AND CULTURAL PRESERVATION COMMITTEE RESOLUTION TO RECOMMEND TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ADOPTION OF THE SUBJECT AMENDMENTS, A PLANNING COMMISSION RESOLUTION TO RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPTION OF THE INITIAL STUDY SLASH MITIGATED NEGATIVE DECLARATION PREPARED FOR THE DOWNTOWN HOUSING AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY OVERLAY, AND THE PROPOSED EKN APPALACHIAN HOTEL, A PLANNING COMMISSION RESOLUTION TO RECOMMEND THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPT THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT AND A PLANNING COMMISSION RESOLUTION TO RECOMMEND THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPT THE PROPOSED ZONING AMENDMENTS. NOW, BEFORE WE MOVE INTO THE PRESENTATION, I WANT TO ASK NOW IF, UH, ANY PLANNING COMMISSIONERS NEED TO RECUSE THEMSELVES, AND IF SO, STATE THE REASONS FOR THE RECUSAL. HELLO? UM, I DON'T THINK I NEED TO RECUSE MYSELF. UM, I JUST WANTED TO DISCLOSE THAT, UM, I DO WORK FOR THE NORTH COAST REGIONAL WATER QUALITY CONTROL BOARD, AND AS PART OF MY AGENCY'S DUTY, WE DO REVIEW, UM, DOCUMENTS SUBMITTED BY, UM, DEVELOPERS THAT, UM, INVOLVE THE, UM, INVESTIGATION AND CLEANUP OF CONTAMINATED SITES. AND THE APPALACHIAN HOTEL IS ONE OF THOSE SITES. UM, I DON'T WORK FOR THE SAN FRANCISCO BAY REGIONAL QUA WATER QUALITY CONTROL BOARD, WHICH WOULD OVERSEE THIS PROJECT. I WORK FOR THE NORTH BAY. WE ARE UNDER THE SAME, UM, AGENCY, THE STATE WATER RESOURCES CONTROL BOARD. BUT I HAVE, UM, NO SAY IN THE OUTCOME OF THIS PROJECT BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN MY REGION. [00:20:01] THAT BEING SAID, I STILL DID, UM, TALK TO THE ATTORNEYS ABOUT THIS, AND THEY SAID IT WAS NOT, UM, A REASON TO RECUSE MYSELF, BUT I'LL LET OUR CITY ATTORNEY, UM, TALK TO THAT AND SO THAT YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT I DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BAUER. UM, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND, UH, STAFF AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. I'M ERIC DANLEY, THE PETALUMA CITY ATTORNEY, AND, UM, COMMISSIONER BOWERS. CORRECT. UM, SHE RAISED THAT ISSUE WITH US, UM, WHICH WE APPRECIATE THE CHANCE TO, TO CHECK, TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NO ISSUE WITH RESPECT TO HER PARTICIPATING. AND AS SHE JUST GAVE THE, THE DESCRIPTION OF HER ROLE WITH THE REGIONAL BOARD, UM, I THINK YOU CAN EVEN TELL FROM THAT DESCRIPTION THAT SHE HAS NO FINANCIAL INTEREST IN WHAT'S BEING CONSIDERED TONIGHT. UM, THE OVERLAY OR THE APPLICATION FOR THE HOTEL DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, WHICH IS NOT BEFORE THE, UM, THE BODIES TONIGHT AS, UH, UH, CHAIR HOOPER HAS INDICATED. AND ALSO, UM, GIVEN THE ROLE THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER BOWERS DESCRIBED, THERE'S NO COMPETING LOYALTIES ISSUE. THERE'S NO CONFLICT BETWEEN HER ROLE FOR THE REGIONAL BOARD AND HER RESPONSIBILITIES AS A PLANNING COMMISSIONER. SO I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT OUR, OUR CONCURRENCE WITH HER CONCLUSIONS ABOUT THAT. UM, AND THANK HER FOR RAISING THAT ISSUE. OH, AND THEN I WANTED TO INVITE JESSICA TO ALSO THANK YOU, CHAIR. I WANTED TO SIMILARLY FLAG THAT I HAVE AN OFFICE SPACE AT KELLER STREET COWORK AT ONE 40 KELLER STREET, UM, WHICH IS IN SUB AREA C IN THE PROPOSED OVERLAY. UM, I RAISED THIS WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AND WAS ADVISED THAT BECAUSE IT'S ON A MONTH-TO-MONTH LEASE, IT'S NOT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. SO I WOULD NOT NEED TO RE RECUSE MYSELF. THANK YOU. AND I'LL JUST ADD THAT'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. AND, AND THANKS, UM, COMMISSIONER FOR RAISING THAT ISSUE WITH US. UM, AND, AND JUST TO, TO CLARIFY AND CONFIRM FOR FOLKS, UM, THE, THE FAIR POLITICAL PRACTICES COMMISSION RULES REGARDING POTENTIAL CONFLICTS BASED ON INTEREST IN REAL PROPERTY, DO NOT TREAT MONTH TO MONTH LEASES AS A RE A REAL PROPERTY INTEREST THAT COULD CREATE A POTENTIAL CONFLICT. THANKS VERY MUCH. AND, UM, CHECKING NOW TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY HCPC MEMBERS WHO, NEITHER RECUSED THEMSELVES, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU. AND ARE THERE ANY HCPC MEMBERS THAT NEED TO RECUSE THEMSELVES AT THIS POINT? OKAY, THANKS. EXCELLENT. I ALSO WANNA ANNOUNCE THAT BECAUSE THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, UH, IT DOES REQUIRE THAT BOTH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND HCPC TO DISCLOSE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS THAT FOLKS MAY HAVE. UH, START WITH DARREN, THEN, JANICE, I GUESS HOW BROAD IS EX PARTE? I FEEL LIKE I'VE TALKED TO EVERYONE ABOUT THIS, BUT, UH, YEAH, I, I'LL SAY A GENERAL, I'VE TALKED TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT CITIZENS ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS ISSUE. I WAS VERY CAREFUL NOT TO TALK TO OTHER PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, UH, AND REVEAL ANY OF MY OPINIONS UNTIL OUR HEARING AND, AND CHAIR HOOPER AND, AND, AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY. IF I COULD JUST CLARIFY TOO, THE REAL, THE FUNDAMENTAL FOCUS OF EX PARTE COMMUNICATION DISCLOSURE IS COMMUNICATIONS WITH, UM, APPLICANTS AND STAKEHOLDERS WITH RESPECT TO THE PROJECT, UM, SUCH THAT THERE MIGHT BE INFORMATION IN THOSE CONTEXTS THAT MIGHT RELATE TO THE DECISIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT'S IN THE RECORD. SO, AND SO WE ASSUME AND UNDERSTAND THAT THE, THE, THE LEGISLATIVE BODY MEMBERS ARE HEARING LOTS OF THINGS IN THE PUBLIC AND ENGAGING WITH THEM JUST AS THEIR ROLE REQUIRES. BUT THAT THE FUNDAMENTAL FOCUS OF THE PARTE DELO, UH, DISCLOSURE IS, UM, IS COMMUNICATIONS WITH ACTUAL STAKEHOLDERS REGARDING THE APPLICATION TO HELP, TO HELP YOU CONSIDER WHETHER YOU HAVE ANY TO DISCLOSE. SO THANKS VERY MUCH, RICK. YEAH. JUST DISCLOSING THAT I DID GET A PRESENTATION FROM THE APPLICANT, UM, OVER A YEAR AGO, UM, THE EARLY STAGE OF THE PROJECT. UM, THEY, UH, YOU KNOW, PRESENTED THEIR CONCEPT OF THE PLAN AND, UH, STUCK TO LISTENING MODE AND, UM, LEFT IT AT THAT. YEAH. YOU MIGHT WANNA GET CLOSER TO THE MIC. OKAY. I DID GET A PRESENTATION FROM THE APPLICANT OF THE HOTEL, UM, WHICH OF COURSE IS NOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT, BUT, BUT IS AFFECTED BY THE OVERLAY, UH, ABOUT A YEAR AGO. UM, SO HEARD OUT THERE, THEIR CONCEPTUAL PLANS, AND, UH, AND LEFT IT AT THAT. THANK YOU RICK. VICE MAYOR AND I HAVE, UM, HAD COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT FOR EKN AND, SORRY, THESE THINGS ARE SHORT. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. . YEAH. UM, AND ALSO I'VE WALKED THE SITE WITH, UM, CHAIRMAN HOOPER AND, UM, CHAIRMAN KERLIN, WHICH IS ALWAYS A HARD NAME TO SAY, AND I WILL DISCLOSE THAT. I ALSO WALKED THE SITE WITH, UH, VICE MAYOR THOMPSON, AND [00:25:01] I HAVEN'T HAD ANY COMMUNICATION WITH THE APPLICANT, BUT SIMILAR TO DARREN MANY COMMUNICATIONS WITH PEOPLE IN SUPPORT AND OPPOSED TO THIS JUST TRYING TO GET FEEDBACK. I HAD A, UH, BRIEF DISCUSSION WITH THE PLANNING MANAGER REGARDING HIS PROJECT AND THE PROCESS. I ALSO TALKED BRIEFLY WITH THE COMMISSIONER THOMPSON, AND WALKED THE SITE AND TALKED BRIEFLY WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER KUSON, JUST, UH, COMPARING NOTES. OKAY. ANY, UH, PARTE COMMUNICATION FROM HCPC MEMBERS? WHAT ANY, YOU GOTTA GET CLOSE. ANY COMMUNIC EX PARTE COMMUNICATION FROM HCPC MEMBERS? UH, NOTHING BEYOND EMAILS FROM REGULAR CITIZENS. NONE. OKAY. YEAH, I HAD A APPLICANT'S, UH, PRESENTATION AT A PETALUMA GAP, UH, WINE GROWERS ALLIANCE. THAT WAS THE ONLY THING THAT I HAD. THANKS. EXCELLENT. WELL, WITH THAT, WE WILL NOW, UH, MOVE ON TO THE PRESENTATION. I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND I'M GONNA INVITE PLANNING MAN MANAGER ANDREW TRIPPLE TO INTRODUCE STAFF AND EXPLAIN THE PROCESS. GREAT. THANK YOU. CHAIR. UH, THIS EVENING'S PRESENTATIONS FOR THE MEETING ITEM WILL BE CONDUCTED BY STAFF MEMBERS, UH, GREG POWELL, PRINCIPAL PLANNER, ISABELLE CASTANO, HISTORIC PRESERVATION SPECIALIST, AND OLIVIA IRVIN, PRINCIPAL ENVIRONMENTAL PLANNER, UM, AND THEN APPLICANT PRESENTATIONS BY THE EKN DEVELOPMENT TEAM, INCLUDING EBY, GIOVANNI, UH, BARBARA MALONEY, AND MIKE JOLLY. UM, I WOULD REMIND AND ASK ALL PRESENTERS TO SPEAK LOUDLY AND CLEARLY INTO THE MICROPHONE FOR THE MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE. UM, THIS SOUND SYSTEM IS A BIT CHALLENGING, SO PLEASE BEAR WITH US BECAUSE IT IS, UH, IT DOES BECOME DIFFICULT TO CONTINUE TO LEAN OVER AND SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE WHEN IT'S ABOUT AN INCH AWAY FROM YOU. SO, UH, PLEASE BEAR WITH US AND RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S NOT OUR INTENT, UM, TO, UH, TO NOT BE HEARD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, ANDREW. AND THIS IS ISABEL CASTANO SPEAKING. I DO WANNA THANK EVERYONE, UH, FROM THE PUBLIC AUDIENCE JOINING US TODAY IN THE SPECIAL MEETING, AND LIKE TO THANK THE JOINT SESSION TODAY WITH BETWEEN PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE HCPC, UH, VERY SIMILAR TO THE STAFF REPORT THAT WE'VE SHARED OUT FOR THE OVERLAY PROJECT. OUR PRESENTATION, UH, INCLUDES IN A SIMILAR MANNER WHERE WE PROVIDE AN INTRODUCTION OF WHAT THE ROLE IS PER COMMISSION, INCLUDING THE HCPC AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND HEAD INTO A DESCRIPTION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS, WHICH WE ARE PART OF TODAY. UH, THE PRESENTATION WILL INCLUDE A BRIEF BACKGROUND INTO THE OVERLAY AND INCLUDE DETAILS FOR THE PROJECT DESCRIPTION ON, IN TERMS OF THE ENTITLEMENTS THAT ARE BEING SOUGHT OUT FOR TODAY. UH, THE PRESENTATION WILL ALSO INCLUDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT, UH, THAT WE HAVE HERE. UH, SPEAKING UP IN DETAILS FOR THE OVERLAY. WE WILL ADDRESS THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION IN TERMS OF THE CITY OF PETALUMA AND ITS RELATIONSHIP TO THE OVERLAY. UM, AND THEN, OF COURSE, GO OVER THE OVERLAY DETAILS, UH, IN DEPTH, UH, HOW THE PROJECT IS COM HAS ITS COMPONENTS, UH, RELATED TO WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED, UH, PER SUB AREA. AND AS PART OF ANY OTHER PROJECT, UH, WE DO PROVIDE A SUMMARY FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND THE OUTREACH AND THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE BEEN RECEIVING SO FAR. UH, AND, AND CONCLUDING THIS TODAY'S OVERLAY IS A, UH, OVERLAY PRESENTATION IS A STAFF RECOMMENDATION. UH, FIRST AND FOREMOST, THE ROLE OF THE HCPC TODAY IS TO RECOMMEND THE ZONING AMENDMENTS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. UH, THIS, UH, CALLS TO THE, THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE ZONING AMENDMENTS. UH, THE HCPC IS TO CONSIDER WHAT IS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT, UH, THE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATIONS TO THE PUBLIC, AND REFLECT ON THE PUBLIC COMMENTS. UH, THE HCPC WOULD CONSIDER THE PROJECT RELATIVE TO THE APPLICABLE FINDINGS. AND THIS IS, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION TO A PLANNING COMMISSION AS WE HAVE, UH, JOINT HEARING TODAY. UH, AND THE ROLE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS TO, UH, CONSIDER THE ADEQUACY OF THE DRAFT INITIAL STUDY OF THE MITIGATED NE NEGATIVE DECLARATION, ALONG WITH, UH, THE REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION OF THE DRAFT M AND D AND THE AMENDMENTS TO CITY COUNCIL. UH, THE ROLE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS TO, AGAIN, CONSIDER THE STAFF REPORT AND THE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATIONS, UH, ALONG WITH PUBLIC COMMENTS AND CONSIDER THE PROJECT RELATIVE TO THE APPLICABLE [00:30:01] FINDINGS. AND I DO APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S PATIENCE AS WE GO THROUGH THE TODAY'S PRESENTATION TO COVER THE OVERLAY AND THE DEPTH THAT WE'RE SEEKING FOR, TO UNDERSTAND THE, THE GENERAL CONTENTS, UH, WHAT ARE BEING CHANGED. UH, SO PART OF THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR TODAY IS THE, THE STAFF PRESENTATION, UH, RECEIVING THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, HAVING, UH, THE HCPC, UH, DELIVER A DISCUSSION, UH, BASED ON QUESTIONS, UH, WITH STAFF AND THE APPLICANT. AND, UH, CONCLUDING WITH RECOMMENDATIONS. UH, AND AS MENTIONED WITH THE INTRODUCTION OF THE PROJECT, THERE ARE FOUR ACTIONS FOR TODAY. UH, THE HCPC, AGAIN, RECOMMENDING FOR ZONING AMENDMENTS TO PLANNING COMMISSION, AND THEN THE, THE SUBSEQUENT, UH, ACTIONS FROM PLANNING COMMISSIONS, WHICH ARE THREE, UH, DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATIONS TO CITY COUNCIL. UH, SO THIS IS, UH, THE FIRST STEP IN A MULTI-STEP PROCESS, UH, TO GET TO PUBLIC HEARING WITH THE CONCLUSION OF PRESENTING IT TO CITY COUNCIL. AND, UH, FOLLOWING A BRIEF SUMMARY AND BACKGROUND, UH, FROM BRIAN O'S PRESENTATION, UH, AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT RELATED TO THE OVERLAY. UH, THERE, IT DID BEGIN AS AN APPLICATION FOR A HOTEL AS A SUBMITTAL. AND THIS WAS INITIATED THROUGH A HISTORIC SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, AND IT INCLUDED A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. FOLLOWING THE REVIEW FROM THIS INITIAL APPLICATION, STAFF DETERMINED THAT THE PROJECT REQUIRED ADDITIONAL AMENDMENTS, UH, FOR THE SCOPE THAT THEY ARE SEEKING. UH, THROUGH THAT DEVELOPMENT, UH, THERE WAS THE CONVERSATION AND, UH, ARRAY AND DEVELOPMENT OF A ZONING OVERLAY, UH, TO BRIEFLY DISCUSS WHAT THE ZONING OVERLAY IT, IT IS, WOULD ALLOW FOR DEVELOPMENTS, UH, FOR INCREASED INTENSITY IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. UH, WITH THIS OVERLAY, THE SCOPE DEVELOPED AGAIN TO ADDRESS OTHER PORTIONS OUTSIDE OF THE, UH, ZONING THAT INCLUDES MORE OF A TARGETED SCOPE THAT ALLOWS FOR HOUSING AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY. UH, SO THIS, UH, HAS CONTINUED, UH, TO DEVELOP AND HAS FLOURISHED FROM ONE HOTEL APPLICATION, BUT TO AN OVERLAY THAT SEEKS TO PROMOTE HOUSING AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY. UH, AS PART OF THE OVERLAY, UH, THE PC AND THE HCPC HAVE GATHERED, UH, MULTIPLE TIMES, UH, AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, UH, FOR STUDY SESSIONS. UH, SO FAR, THERE HAVE BEEN THREE STUDY SESSIONS HELD THIS YEAR, UH, TO, UH, COMMUNICATE THE DEVELOPMENT, THE INTERESTS, THE, UM, ANY DETAILS RELATED TO THE FORMULATION AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE OVERLAY. AND THOSE WERE HELD STARTING, UH, THIS SUMMER FROM JUNE, UH, BROUGHT FORWARD TO BOTH PC AND HCPC. UH, THE REVISIONS BROUGHT AGAIN IN AUGUST, UH, EIGHTH, UH, FOR A PLANNING COMMISSION. AND, UH, FINALLY AN OCTOBER 3RD FOR THE HCPC. AND I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE, UH, GREG FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP THE DETAILS AND DISCUSS OF THE OVERLAY DEVELOPMENT IN TERMS OF THE EVOLUTION AND THE DEVELOPMENT FOR THE AMENDMENTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, ISABELLE. MY NAME IS GREG POWELL, AND I'M THE PRINCIPAL PLANNER WORKING WITH ISABELLE ON THIS PROJECT. UM, THE SLIDE THAT YOU HAVE, UH, UP ON YOUR SCREENS NOW SHOWS A FEW THINGS. THE FIRST IS THE DASH LINE REPRESENTS THE STUDY AREA. PRIOR TO DEVELOPING WORTHY OVERLAY, SHOULD BE THE CITY DECIDED TO LOOK AT, UH, A PORTION OF DOWNTOWN TO STUDY TO CONSIDER WHERE THE OVERLAY SHOULD BE AND WHERE IT SHOULDN'T BE. UM, THIS WAS PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN THE HCPC IN JUNE, AND FROM THAT JUNE MEETING, THE OVERLAY, UH, WHICH HAS SHOWN SORT OF IN THE SHADED AREA, IT REPRESENTS ABOUT 11 BLOCKS WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN. THE STEADY AREA WAS DEFINED PRIMARILY TO ABUT THE CPSB ZONE, TO THE, THE NORTH AND TO THE EAST, AND TO INCLUDE, UM, WHAT'S BEEN MAPPED AS THE THEATER DISTRICT FROM THE JUNE MEETING, THE OVERLAY WAS CHANGED, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS SLIDE. THERE'S THREE SUB AREAS, A, B, AND C. UH, THE FEEDBACK FROM THE JUNE MEETING WAS THAT THE OVERLAY WAS OVERBROAD. IT COVERED TOO MANY PARCELS, POTENTIALLY CONFLICTED WITH HISTORIC DISTRICT AND INCLUDED RESIDENTIAL AREAS. SO THE DIRECTION WAS TO REDUCE THE OVERLAY, THE A, B, AND C AREAS LARGELY AVOID HISTORIC PROPERTIES. AND I SAY LARGELY BECAUSE TWO SITES WITHIN SUB AREA A AND ONE SITE WITHIN B ARE MAPPED WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, ALTHOUGH THE BUILDINGS ARE NOT HISTORIC. SUB AREA C ABUTS THE RESIDE, SORRY, ABUTS THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY HISTORICALLY, OR, SORRY, MAPPED PROPERTIES. ALSO, THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS WERE ALL WERE AVOIDED BY THE REMAPPING TO SUB AREAS A, B, AND CA, A COMPONENT OF THE EVOLUTION OF THIS OVERLAY FROM THE JUNE MEETING TO THE AUGUST MEETING TO OCTOBER IN FRONT OF THE HCPC [00:35:01] AND THEN INTO TODAY, UH, WAS HOW TO ADDRESS THE HEIGHT THAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED IN THE JUNE OVERLAY. ORIGINALLY, THE PROPOSAL WAS TO ALLOW A BY RIGHT INCREASE ABOVE 45 FEET. UH, IN AUGUST, THAT WAS CHANGED TO SAY A CONDITION USE PERMIT WOULD BE REQUIRED. SO THE OVERLAY THAT'S BEING PRESENTED TONIGHT WOULD REQUIRE A CONDITION USE PERMIT FOR ANY BUILDING TO EXCEED THE EXISTING 45 FOOT HIGH LIMIT. THERE'S ALSO ADDITIONAL CRITERIA INCLUDED IN THE OVERLAY TO GO FROM 60 FEET TO 75 FEET. AND THE CRITERIA IS LISTED IN ATTACHMENTS, A AND D. THERE'S AN EXHIBIT IN BOTH THAT SHOWS YOU THE, THE ZONING CRITERIA FOR THE CONDITIONS PERMIT TO GO TO 60 FEET, AND THEN THE ADDITIONAL CRITERIA, IT APPLIES FOR ANY BUILDING TO GO TO 75 FEET. ANOTHER COMPONENT OF THE OVERLAY THAT'S PRETTY MUCH BEEN STANDARD SINCE JUNE, IS A CHANGE IN SETBACKS AND THE ADDITION OF STEPBACK STANDARDS. THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE STEPBACK STANDARDS TODAY, BUT IN THE OVERLAY, IF ADOPTED, THERE WOULD BE STEP BACKS TO ADDRESS HISTORIC BUILDINGS AND PEN, SORRY, ANY RESIDENTIAL BUILDING THAT IS NEARBY. AND THESE ARE DETAILED IN EXHIBIT FOUR, UH, AN ATTACHMENT I. AND THE IDEA BEHIND THE STEP BACKS IS THAT IF YOU HAVE A HISTORIC BUILDING ON ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER, YOU WOULD WANT TO PERHAPS PUSH THE UPPER FLOORS BACK TO PROVIDE SOME RELIEF AND SOME AIR TO LET THE PUBLIC VIEW OF THESE HISTORIC BUILDINGS, UH, BE MAINTAINED. THERE'S ALSO STEP BACK REQUIREMENTS FOR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. UM, SOMETHING THAT'S NEW THAT WAS NOT PRESENTED TO THE HCPC OR THE PC BEFORE IS A REQUIREMENT FOR LAW COVERAGE. THE ORIGINAL OVERLAY PROPOSAL WAS TO ALLOW 80% LAW COVERAGE TO BE MOVED UP TO A HUNDRED PERCENT LAW COVERAGE BY RIGHT. THE ORDINANCE LANGUAGE IS PRESENTED TO, AND ATTACHMENTS A AND D TONIGHT REQUIRES A CONDITION USE PERMIT. SO THE BY RIGHT STANDARD THAT'S IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE TODAY OF 80% MAY ONLY BE EXCEEDED IF A CONDITION USE PERMIT IS GRANTED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AND THERE'S SPECIFIC FINDINGS THAT ARE LISTED IN ATTACHMENTS, A AND D FOR THAT. SOMETHING THAT WAS GENERALLY PROVIDED TO THE HISTORIC COMMISSION IN OCTOBER WAS THIS PEDESTRIAN FAC AND FACADE ACTIVATION ZONE. THAT IS THE, THE CRITERIA FOR HOW THAT WOULD WORK HAS BEEN REFINED. AND I'LL TOUCH ON THAT, UH, IN A MOMENT. LET'S GO ONTO THE NEXT SLIDE. HOPEFULLY WE'RE NOT BEATING THIS TO DEATH, BUT WE JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR THAT TONIGHT THE HCPC AND THE PC HAS THE ABILITY TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON CQA. AND THAT RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO THE CITY COUNCIL. THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT RECOMMENDATION WOULD GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL AS WELL. AND THAT IS A RECOMMENDATION MADE BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THERE'S ALSO A ZONING, TEXT AMENDMENTS AND ZONING MAP AMENDMENTS PROPOSED FOR TONIGHT. AND HCPC HAS A, A OBLIGATION OR AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AND THEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS THE SAME TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL. LET'S MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO, UM, THE STAFF REPORT HAS A NUMBER OF SECTIONS IN IT THAT TALK ABOUT SORT OF THE, THE SETTING, THE POLICY GUIDANCE THAT'S, UH, EXISTING OR PROPOSED. AND THE FIRST SECTION I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT, WHICH IS ALSO DETAILED ON PAGE FIVE OF THE STAFF REPORT IS THE, THE LOCATION OF THE OVERLAY. THE OVERLAY IS IN, UH, AN AREA THAT IS TRANSIT RICH. IT'S CLOSE TO THE SMART STATION. IT INCLUDES THE TRANSIT MALL. THERE'S A NUMBER OF BUS LINES AND A MAIN THOROUGHFARE. THE PET BOULEVARD THAT RUNS NORTH AND SOUTH THROUGH THE OVERLAY PORTIONS OF SUB AREA C ARE ALSO WITHIN THE CENTRAL PETALUMA PRIORITY DEVELOPMENT AREA. AND THERE'S GOALS AND POLICIES THAT, UH, DIRECT WHAT'S TO HAPPEN IN THE PDA. THE OVERLAY IS ALSO WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN JOURNAL PLAN SUBAR. AND AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SLIDE, IT'S CONSIDERED, YOU KNOW, THE DOWNTOWN'S CONSIDERED THE HEART OF PETALUMA. AND THERE'S THE NATIONAL REGISTERED DISTRICT OVERLAYS THIS, AND THERE'S FOUR PARCELS THAT ARE IN THE DISTRICT THAT ARE ALSO IN THE PROPOSED OVERLAYS. AND THEN FINALLY, THE WASHINGTON CORRIDOR GENERAL PLAN SUB AREA. IT'S AT THE NORTH OF THE SUB AREA C AND, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S CONCEPTUALIZED AS A MIXED USE ARTERIAL. WHAT TO THE NEXT SLIDE? UM, BEAR WITH US WHEN WE'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT, BUT, UH, THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS AT THE AUGUST MEETING ABOUT WHAT DOES SUB A, B, A, OR C LOOK LIKE? SO WE DEVELOPED THIS THING THAT'S CALLED A FLYOVER, WHICH SHOWS, UM, A BIRD'S EYE VIEW OF, IN THIS CASE, SUB AREA A AND ISABEL'S GONNA PUSH PLAY. AND DON'T WORRY, WE CAN HIT REPLAY. WE CAN HIT PAUSE. BUT THIS SHOWS THE TWO BLOCKS THAT COMPRISE SUB AREA A AND I'M NOT ALLOWED TO TALK WHILE I LOOK AT IT, SO I DON'T WANNA GET DIZZY. BUT, UH, YOU CAN SEE IF YOU COULD PAUSE IT AFTER IT. NO, THAT'S FINE. SO THE HOTEL SITE IS AT THE, UM, THE RIGHT CORNER, TOP EDGE OF THIS. YOU [00:40:01] CAN SEE IT, IT'S BROWN, IT'S WHERE IT'S GRASS. THE, THE ACE HARDWARE IS TO THE LEFT. THE BANK OF THE WEST, OR THE FORMER BANK OF THE WEST SIDE IS THE NEXT PARCEL TO THE, IS THERE A WAY TO GET TO A CURSOR? DOES THAT WORK? HOW GOOD? OF COURSE, THAT'S PRETTY SMALL UP THERE. BUT ANYWAY, THERE'S ONE BLOCK THAT INCLUDES THE SIDE OF THE HOTEL, THE ACE HARDWARE, A PARKING LOT, AND THE BANK OF THE WEST, FORMER BANK OF THE WEST SIDE. AND THEN THERE'S ONE BLOCK TO THE, UM, SOUTHWEST THAT INCLUDES, UH, AGAIN, MORE PARKING LOTS AND ACTUALLY, UH, SEVERAL VACANT BUILDINGS, SITES. PLUS THERE'S AN ACE, OR NOT THE ACE, THE SEVEN 11 ON THE CORNER OF PETALUMA BOULEVARD. AND D AND WOULD, SHOULD I, WOULD THE COMMISSION LIKE THAT, WE REPLAY THAT, OR DO WE HAVE A SENSE OF WHAT SUB LOOKS LIKE? CAN'T REALLY SEE IT VERY WELL BACK HERE. I THINK REPLAY, WHY DON'T WE REPLAY IT AGAIN, JUST SO THAT SURE. EVERYBODY HAS A CHANCE TO SEE IT, WHO MIGHT HAVE BEEN BACK IN THE HALLWAY. YEAH. THEN THANK YOU FOR, UH, WORKING WITH THIS WITH, EVEN THOUGH IT'S MAYBE NOT NEW TECHNOLOGY, IT'S THE FIRST TIME WE'VE UTILIZED MAYBE IT PAUSE. AND SO IN THIS VIEW HERE, THE CENTRAL PETALUMA SPECIFIC PLANT AREA IS TO THE RIGHT OF THE RED POLYGON. THAT'S WHERE THE THEATER SQUARE, AND THERE'S A PARKING GARAGE AND DIFFERENT THINGS. AND THEN THE RIVER IS SORT OF AT THE NORTH, OR THIS, OH, SORRY, JUST HIGHLIGHTING THAT THE RIVER IS AT THE TOP OF THIS IMAGE. THE CENTRAL PETALUMA SPECIFIC PLANT AREA IS TO THE RIGHT OF THIS RED POLYGON. THERE'S A PARK TO THE SOUTHWEST ALONG, UH, ACROSS D STREET. LET'S HIT PLAY AGAIN. GOOD. RIGHT THERE. THIS DARK AREA ON THAT, THE HISTORIC AREA INCLUDES ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF THE VACANT HOTEL SITE AND THE ACE HARDWARE SITE. SO THE HOTEL IS THREE PARCELS. TWO OF THEM ARE MAPPED WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND THEN THE HARDWARE STORE IS ON ONE PARCEL. AND THAT IS MAPPED WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND THE REST OF THE DISTRICT IS SORT OF OFF IMAGE TO THE, THE BOTTOM. AND RIGHT AS YOU LOOK AT THIS DRAWING, OR SORRY, THIS AERIAL VIEW, AND WE HAVE SOME IMAGES LATER ON THE PRESENTATION THAT SHOW THE FULL EXTENT OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND IT'S RELATIONSHIP TO THE OVERLAYS. LET'S MOVE ON TO SUB AREA B. UM, REALLY, REALLY QUICK BEFORE YOU MOVE ON TO SUB AREA B, I JUST WANTED TO ASK, I KNOW FOR US ON THE DAIS, IT'S EASY ENOUGH FOR US TO SEE THIS, 'CAUSE WE HAVE A SCREEN RIGHT HERE. IS THERE AN ANGLE FROM THIS THAT ANYBODY WAS HAVING A HARD TIME WITH? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE DON'T MOVE PAST. YEAH, WELL, IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW THE HISTORIC DISTRICT HAS MAP ON PART OF THIS. DO WE HAVE AN OVERVIEW OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ON THIS? I MEAN, HE JUST EXPLAINED THAT IT WAS PART OF THAT ONE PARCEL IN THE CORNER. WE, WE WILL SHOW A, A MAP IN DEPTH OF WHERE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT FALLS UNDER AND THE PARCELS. THIS IS JUST TO GET A GENERAL SENSE OF THE CONTEXT, UH, WHERE THE RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL AREAS ARE. I, I JUST WANNA SHARE THAT WITH THE AUDIENCE THAT WE WILL GO FURTHER IN DEPTH, UH, TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS. EXCELLENT. YES, SIR. IN THE BACK. YEAH. GREAT. I'VE GOT A QUESTION BACK ON THE VIEW, I GUESS , WITH THE ON THE LEFT HARDWARE, HOW, LOOKING AT THE ADJACENT, HOW ADJACENT THE DEVELOPMENT IS TO COMMERCIAL, HOW ADJACENT IS THIS RESIDENTIAL, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES ADJACENT? SO CHAIR HUBER AND FOLKS, IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S THIS, THIS, THIS HEARING IS GONNA TAKE A WHILE TONIGHT. AND STAFF HAS QUITE AN EXTENSIVE PRESENTATION AND THEY'RE JUST GETTING STARTED. SO I, I, SO I RECOGNIZE THAT WHAT I'M TRYING TO ADDRESS HERE IS JUST MAKING SURE IF THERE'S ANY CONFUSION OVER THIS SINCE WE'RE USING THIS NEW VIEW, RIGHT? TO, TO PROVE THAT THERE'S CLARITY. SINCE THE LAST TIME WE HAD A HEARING, IT WAS PRETTY HARD FOR PEOPLE TO TRACK THROUGH GOOGLE MAPS. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE SHOWING THIS OFF AND IT'S ACTUALLY HAVING THE EFFECT. THAT'S ALL. WE APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. UM, AND TO THAT POINT THOUGH, I, I SHOULD PUT A PAUSE ON, I'M NOT ASKING FOR GENERAL QUESTIONS FROM FOLKS WHO'VE ATTENDED. 'CAUSE THAT THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS. BUT IF THERE ARE, IF ANYBODY HAD A HARD TIME SEEING A VIEW OF THIS, THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING FOR, FOR NOW. IF THAT'S ACCEPTABLE TO FOLKS, BECAUSE STAFF ARE GONNA BE PRESENTING THE OTHER SUB AREAS AND DESCRIBING TO WHAT, TO WHAT THEY'RE ADJACENT, ET CETERA, AS, AS THEY CONTINUE WITH THEIR PRESENTATION. SO THERE'LL BE A LOT MORE CONTEXTUAL INFORMATION THAT THEY PRESENT. THANKS. [00:45:02] ABSOLUTELY. I WANT TO BE OKAY WITH THAT. WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH SUBAR. B, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. SO SUB AREA B INCLUDES TWO PARCELS, BOTH ARE OCCUPIED BY BANKS, UM, TO THE ADJACENT TO ONE OF THE BANK SITES IS A PARKING LOT SOLICIT PLAY. SO THE BOTTOM LEFT OF THE IMAGE IS THE CITY'S PARKING GARAGE. THERE'S THE PEDAL IN A GROCERY STORE. YOU WANT THE SPEED SPOT. I WANNA USE YOUR CURSOR AS MUCH AS YOU CAN TO SHOW YOUR DOG. OKAY, YOU CAN, DIDN'T FEEL LIKE IT SHOWED UP ENOUGH. DO YOU WANNA DO IT? ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONS ABOUT SEVERITY B? WE'RE, WE'RE NOT DOING GENERAL QUESTIONS NOW, JUST IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME. NO, BUT WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT DOING THOSE QUESTIONS NOW. WE WANT, WANT THE PRESENTATION. WHAT ONLY REASON I WAS INTERJECTING BEFORE WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE AERIAL VIEW WE WERE PROVIDING WAS, FRANKLY, SLOW ENOUGH THAT EVERYBODY WAS ABLE TO SEE THE DIFFERENT SIDES OF THIS. THAT IS ALL. LET AGAIN, WE'LL PLAY SUBAR B ONE MORE TIME, AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO C MAYBE JUST HIT PAUSE. WE'RE TRYING TO PAUSE IT AS IT PLAYS TO LET IT, EVERYONE LET THE INFORMATION SOAK IN, BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM TO ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN. JUMP INTO THE SUB. SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO C C'S A, A LARGER SUB AREA. THERE'S ABOUT 25 PARCELS. LET'S JUST HIT PLAY. SO YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A VACANT SITE, THERE'S LOTS OF PARKING LOTS. BUILDINGS ARE SET BACK FROM THE STREET PORTION OF SUBBURY C INCLUDES THE CITY PARKING GARAGE, AS WELL AS THE PARKING IN FRONT OF THE PETALUMA GROCERY STORE. ALL RIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON. ALL RIGHT, SO THE NEXT THING WE'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IS, IS THE, UH, PARCEL INVENTORY REPORT. THE, IN THIS ROOM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION ASKED FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO SORT OF QUANTIFY, UH, WHAT STAFF MEANT BY UNDERUTILIZED OR, YOU KNOW, NOT REALLY FULFILLING WHAT THE ZONING WOULD WANT. AND SO IN ATTACHMENT L IS THE PARCEL INVENTORY REPORT, AND THAT'S A PARCEL BY PARCEL LOOK OR VIEW OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S THERE TODAY. AND, UH, THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, A SCORING SYSTEM OF, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY UNDER DEVELOPED, IT GETS A SCORE OF ZERO TO THREE. IF IT'S MODERATELY DEVELOPED OR FULLY DEVELOPED, IT GETS A DIFFERENT SCORE. UM, IF, YOU KNOW, UH, LET'S MOVE ON TO THE NEXT IMAGE AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK. SO WITHIN, UH, THE PARCEL INVENTORY STUDY IS, UM, A PARCEL BY PARCEL VIEW WITH I THINK, VERY HIGH QUALITY IMAGES REPRESENTING WHAT WE MEAN BY WHEN WE SAY VACANT. SO THE VACANT SITES IN SUB AREA A ARE SHOWN IN THE SORT OF THE DARKER GREEN. AND AS DEVELOPMENT IS MORE PRESENT, THE, THE LIGHTER GREEN IS DEPICTED. AND THEN WHETHER OR NOT THE SITE IS OF, YOU KNOW, EITHER VACANT OR PARKING, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALSO IN THE DARKER COLORS. AND THERE'S A VIEW OF SUB'S B AND C THAT MIRROR THIS KEY. UH, BUT WE'RE NOT SHOWING THAT TONIGHT, BUT IT'S IN THE ATTACHMENT L. UH, BUT LET'S GO BACK TO THE PRIOR SLIDE. YOU KNOW, A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE FINDINGS. YOU KNOW, WE FIND THAT, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER OF PARCELS THAT ARE SIGNIFICANTLY UNDEVELOPED IS ABOUT 35%, WHICH IS ABOUT 21% OF THE LAND THAT'S WITHIN ALL SUB AREAS. AND THEN UNDER THE SET OF CATEGORY OF MODERATELY DEVELOPED, IT'S 50% OF THE PARCELS, AND THEN 63% OF THE LAND. AND THEN FULLY DEVELOPED IS A MUCH SMALLER PERCENTAGE. IT'S 15%. LET'S MOVE ON. LET'S PASS THAT ONE TOO. SO THE LAST SLIDES THAT I'D LIKE TO JUST QUICKLY COVER ABOUT THE PARS INVENTORY IS, AGAIN, USING COLORS AND SHADING, HOW MUCH LAW COVERAGE IS PRESENT. THE VACANT SITES ARE, YOU KNOW, MORE DARKLY SHADED AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE LESS LEFT IMAGE. AND THEN GETTING BACK TO THE SCORE. UM, THIS IS SORT OF A COMPOSITE. IF IT'S VACANT, OBVIOUSLY IT GETS A LOW SCORE. AND IF THERE'S A, A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT OR IT'S NOT VACANT, IT GETS A HIGHER NUMBER. AGAIN, THAT'S IN A ATTACHMENT. UM, I'M SAY IT'S L LET'S MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE. YEAH. SO THIS IS SORT [00:50:01] OF A SUMMARY OF, UM, SOME OF THE MAIN THINGS I'D LIKE TO HIT ON ABOUT THE OVERLAY. IN JUNE, THE OVERLAY PROPOSED CHANGING THE BY RIDE HIGH LIMIT, THE OVERLAY THAT'S PRESENTED TONIGHT. IT'S A CONDITION USE PERMIT TO GO ABOVE 45 FEET. UH, ORIGINALLY THE PLAN WAS, EXCUSE ME. ORIGINALLY THE PLAN FOR THE OVERLAY WAS THAT LAW COVERAGE WOULD BE BY RIGHT INCREASED FROM 80% TO A HUNDRED PERCENT. NOW IT'S A CONDITION USE PERMIT TO GO ABOVE THE EXISTING 80% LIMIT. THE OVERLAY INCLUDES STEPBACK STANDARDS AND SETBACK STANDARDS, AND THERE'S STANDARDS FOR HOW, UH, WE THINK YOU CAN ACTIVATE BUILDING FACADES AND STREET FRONTAGES. AND THAT'S KNOWN AS THE PEDESTRIAN FACADE ACTIVATION ZONES. AND ANOTHER COMPONENT OF THIS PEDESTRIAN FACADE ACTIVATION ZONE IS ALLOWANCE FOR GROUND FLOOR RESIDENTIAL. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S NEW IN THE OVERLAY OR IN THE DOWNTOWN GROUND FLOOR RESIDENTIAL IS NOT ALLOWED, BUT IN THE OVERLAY, IF ADOPTED IN CERTAIN LOCATIONS, IN CERTAIN DISTANCES FROM STREET FRONTAGES, GROUND FLOOR RESIDENTIAL WOULD BE ALLOWED. NEXT SLIDE. AND NOW I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO OLIVIA TO DISCUSS THE SEQUEL PROCESS THAT THE CITY'S UNDERTAKEN TO DATE. THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO TOUCH ON THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT, WHICH I WILL REFER TO AS CQA AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PROCESS THAT WAS CONDUCTED FOR THE SUBJECT PROJECT. AS HAS BEEN STATED, THE ENTITLEMENTS FOR RECOMMENDATION THIS EVENING ARE EXCLUSIVE TO THE OVERLAY, AND THERE ARE NO ENTITLEMENTS RELATED TO THE HOTEL. THERE IS A RESOLUTION BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION THIS EVENING FOR RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL TO APPROVE THE ENVIRONMENTAL DOCUMENT, WHICH ANALYZES BOTH THE HOTEL AND THE OVERLAY. INCLUSION OF THESE TWO DISTINCT ACTIONS IN ONE CQA ANALYSIS IS DUE TO THEIR INTERRELATEDNESS, AND THAT THE HOTEL IS A DIRECT AND FORESEEABLE OUTCOME AND IS CONTINGENT UPON THE OVERLAY UNDER CA, THE TERM PROJECT REFERS TO THE WHOLE OF AN ACTION AND TO THE UNDERLYING PHYSICAL ACTIVITY BEING APPROVED AND NOT TO EACH GOVERNMENT APPROVAL. SO QUA DIRECTS THAT EVEN IF THERE IS MORE THAN ONE APPROVAL NEEDED TO BE GRANTED FOR A PROJECT, ONLY ONE CA DOCUMENT SHOULD BE PREPARED. SO THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS RAISED ABOUT, UM, INCLUDING BOTH OF THOSE WHO I WANTED TO ADDRESS THAT. SO THE SQA DOCUMENT HAS, UH, INCLUDED AN EVALUATION OF BOTH THE HOTEL AT THE PROJECT SPECIFIC LEVEL, AS WELL AS THE OVERLAY AT THE PROGRAMMATIC LEVEL, WHICH IS FULLY SUPPORTED, AND WHAT DIRECT AND WHAT IS, UH, DIRECTED BY CQA. THIS SIDE-BY-SIDE APPROACH, PROVIDES A HOLISTIC VIEW OF THE PROJECT, UH, WHICH IS COMPRISED OF THE OVERLAY REGULATION TO AMEND THE ZONING CODE AND THEN THE PHYSICAL CONSTRUCTION AND OPERATION OF THE HOTEL. THE ANALYSIS DOES NOT SPECULATE AS TO THE SPECIFICS OF THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS THAT MAY BE PROPOSED IN THE FUTURE FOLLOWING APPROVAL OF THE OVERLAY, NOR IS THAT REQUIRED BY CQA, BUT IT DOES APPROPRIATELY ACKNOWLEDGE THE CHANGE IN THE ZONING REGULATION AND THE POTENTIAL INDIRECT OUTCOMES PROGRAMMATICALLY. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO THE REQUESTED ENTITLEMENTS ARE DISCRETIONARY ACTIONS, WHICH IS THE TRIGGER FOR, UH, COMPLIANCE AND REVIEW UNDER CQA. AND THERE ARE SEVERAL TYPES OF ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW DOCUMENTS THAT CAN BE PREPARED. UM, AND I'M JUST GONNA GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF THOSE THAT, UH, THE PUBLIC AND THE COMMISSION HAS SEEN RECENTLY. SO THESE INCLUDE EXEMPTIONS AND CONSISTENCY ANALYSES SUCH AS, UH, CONSISTENCY WITH SECTION 1 5 1 8 3 OF CQA, WHICH WAS APPLIED TO THE LAB CON DEVELOPMENT. THERE'S NEGATIVE DECLARATIONS WHICH WAS, UH, RELIED UPON FOR THE HOUSING ELEMENT THAT WAS ADOPTED EARLIER THIS YEAR. THERE ARE MITIGATED NEGATIVE DECLARATIONS, WHICH WAS THE SQA DOCUMENT THAT WAS APPROVED FOR THE OYSTER COVE DEVELOPMENT. AND THERE ARE, UH, EIRS THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT, WHICH WAS, UH, CERTIFIED FOR THE SCOTT RANCH PROJECT. SO I WANTED TO KIND OF JUST, UM, GIVE THAT SNAPSHOT OF THE DIFFERENT KINDS OF ENVIRONMENTAL DOCUMENTS THAT CAN BE PREPARED. AND, UH, AND THEN TOUCH ON WHEN MAKING A DETERMINATION ON THE LEVEL OF ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW, WHAT STAFF CONSIDERS, UH, WE LOOK AT THE BASELINE CONDITIONS, THAT'S THE EXISTING PHYSICAL AND THE REGULATORY CONTEXT AND CONDITIONS. IT'S THE PROJECT LOCATION, THE SCOPE AND SCALE OF THE DEVELOPMENT, AND THE TECH SPECIFIC TECHNICAL ANALYSIS. AND THEN WE PREPARE AN INITIAL STUDY. WHEN THE INITIAL STUDY INDICATES THAT SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS MAY OCCUR, STAFF IS PROMPTED TO CONSIDER IF MITIGATIONS WOULD EFFECTIVELY REDUCE IMPACTS, AND IF SO, THEN A MITIGATED NEGATIVE DECLARATION IS PREPARED, WHICH WAS [00:55:01] WHAT WAS DONE FOR THIS PROJECT. ON THE OTHER HAND, AN AN EIR IS TRIGGERED WHEN POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS ARE IDENTIFIED AND IS REQUIRED WHEN IMPACTS MAY NOT BE MITIGATED TO LEVELS BELOW SIGNIFICANCE. AND IMPORTANTLY, THE SQA GUIDELINES STATE THAT THE EXISTENCE OF PUBLIC CONTROVERSY OVER THE ENVIRONMENTAL EFFECTS OF A PROJECT SHOULD NOT BE WHAT, UH, TRIGGERS THE PREPARATION OF AN EIR IF THERE IS NO SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE. SO WHAT IS SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE? SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE UNDER QUA INCLUDES FACTS, REASONABLE ASSUMPTIONS PREDICATED ON FACTS AND EXPERT OPINIONS SUPPORTED BY FACTS. WHAT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IS NOT IS ARGUMENT, SPECULATION, UNSUBSTANTIATED OPINION OR NARRATIVE AND EVIDENCE WHICH IS ERRONEOUS OR INACCURATE AND DOES NOT CAUSE A PHYSICAL IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UH, AS I'VE STATED FOR THE PROJECT, AN INITIAL STUDY MITIGATED NEGATIVE DECLARATION WAS PREPARED GIVEN THAT THE HOTEL AND THE, UM, AND THE OVERLAY ARE LOCATED WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN URBAN CORE WHERE DEVELOPMENT, REDEVELOPMENT, AND INTENSIFICATION OF DEVELOPMENT HAVE BEEN ANTICIPATED BY THE GENERAL PLAN, THE RECENTLY ADOPTED HOUSING ELEMENT AND MEETS THE PRIMARY OBJECTIVES OF CQA. THOSE OBJECTIVES OF CQA ARE TO DISCLOSE POTENTIAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS TO PROVIDE AN ADEQUATE EVALUATION OF IMPACTS AND TO AFFORD AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC INPUT. AND FINALLY, TO PROVIDE INFORMATION SUCH THAT AN INFORMED DECISION CAN BE MADE. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO, THE DRAFT INITIAL STUDY COVERS ALL OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL CATEGORIES IN THE APPENDIX G CHECKLIST. UH, THERE HAS BEEN CONCERN RAISED REGARDING AESTHETIC AND VISUAL RESOURCES. SO I WILL BRIEFLY TOUCH ON THAT AND IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS ON OTHER TOPICS, WE CAN CERTAINLY, UH, CIRCLE BACK TO THAT DURING Q AND A. UM, THE GUIDELINES HAVE, UH, SHIFTED RECENTLY FROM THE STATE AND WHAT THE SQA GUIDELINES DIRECT, UM, AND THAT IS FOR AESTHETIC RESOURCES TO, UM, BE CONSIDERED MORE AS AN OBJECTIVE STANDARD. SPECIFICALLY, SQA STATES THAT AESTHETICS AND PARKING IMPACTS OF RESIDENTIAL MIXED USE OR EMPLOYMENT CENTER PROJECTS ON AN INFILL SITE WITHIN A PRIORITY TRANSIT AREA SHALL NOT BE CONSIDERED SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS ON THE PROJECT. VISUAL PREFERENCES ARE SUBJECTIVE AND VARY BY INDIVIDUAL, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THE STATE HAS DIRECTED THIS SHIFT AND HOW CE QA ANALYZES AESTHETIC RESOURCES. FURTHERMORE, THE CITY'S GENERAL PLAN AND EIR ACKNOWLEDGES THAT CHANGES WILL OCCUR TO THE VISUAL SETTING WITHIN THE CITY FROM GENERAL PLAN BUILD OUT, AND IT ESTABLISHES A PROCESS THAT IS THE SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW PROCESS AS THE MEANS TO ADDRESS CONCERNS RELATED TO AESTHETICS AND VISUAL RESOURCES TO WHICH THE HOTEL AND ALL DISCRETIONARY PROJECTS WITHIN THE OVERLAY WILL BE SUBJECT, UH, THE ISM AND D THAT ALL OF THAT BEING SAID, THE ISM AND D DOES PROVIDE A CHARACTERIZATION OF THE VISUAL SETTING AND THE POTENTIAL CHANGES THAT MAY RESULT FROM THE OVERLAY AS WELL AS THE HOTEL. AND CONCLUDES THAT WITH THE SPAR PROCESS, POTENTIAL IMPACTS WOULD BE REDUCED TO LESS THAN SIGNIFICANT. NEXT SLIDE. THE, UM, THE DRAFT INITIAL STUDY HAS MET THE SUBSTANTIVE AND PROCEDURAL REQUIREMENTS OF CQA. IT WAS RELEASED FOR A 30 DAY PUBLIC REVIEW AND COMMENT PERIOD, WHICH CLOSED YESTERDAY. THERE WERE NO COMMENTS THAT WERE RECEIVED FROM STATE REGULATORY AGENCIES. OVER A HUNDRED PUBLIC COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED, UM, INVOLVING A BOTH ON THE MERITS AND ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSIDERATIONS, INCLUDING A LETTER FROM A LEGAL FIRM. UM, ALTHOUGH, UH, RESPONSE TO COMMENTS IS NOT REQUIRED AND NEEDS, UH, NEED NOT BE FULLY CONSIDERED UNTIL THE TIME OF ENTITLEMENT ACTIONS, WE HAVE PREPARED AND DRAFTED A RESPONSE TO COMMENTS, WHICH, UH, PROVIDES A MASTER RESPONSE TO THE THEMES THAT HAVE BEEN, UM, RAISED REGULARLY. AND, UM, PRIOR TO CONSIDERATION FOR ACTION ON ENTITLEMENTS, THE RESPONSE TO COMMENTS DOCUMENT WILL BE FINALIZED AND ANY REVISIONS OR CLARIFICATIONS TO THE DRAFT INITIAL STUDY M AND D WILL BE MADE, UH, AT THAT TIME. SO, UM, COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN RECEIVED TO DATE HAVE BEEN REVIEWED AND CONSIDERED BY STAFF, AND THERE'S NOTHING IN THE RECORD THAT WOULD CHANGE OUR RECOMMENDATION THIS EVENING BASED ON THE EVIDENCE AND THE PUBLIC COMMENTS RECEIVED, RECEIVED, STAFF CONTINUES TO FIND THAT THE M AND D ACCOMPLISHES THE OBJECTIVES OF CQA ADEQUATELY DISCLOSES THE IMPACTS AND IDENTIFIES, UH, MITIGATION MEASURES. AND SO WE CONTINUE TO RECOMMEND, UH, APPROVAL FOR THE INITIAL STUDY MITIGATED NECK DECK BE FORWARDED TO COUNCIL. AND I WOULD JUST, UM, CLOSE BY REMINDING FOLKS THAT CQA IS A DISTINCT ENTITLE, IS A DISTINCT ACTION AND IS NOT AN ENTITLEMENT IN NO WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM. DOES AN ACTION ON ACA DOCUMENT AUTHORIZE ANY DEVELOPMENT OR OTHERWISE GRANT ANY APPROVALS ON THE PROJECT? UH, A DECISION ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL DOCUMENT IS, UH, RATHER AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW HAS BEEN CONDUCTED AND [01:00:01] THAT THE SUBSTANTIVE AND PROCEDURAL REQUIREMENTS OF CQA HAVE BEEN FULFILLED. SO PRIOR TO TAKING ACTION ON AN, ON ANY ENTITLEMENT DECISION MAKERS MUST FIRST TAKE ACTION ON THE CQA, ON THE SE A DOCUMENT. UM, A SE Q DOCUMENT MAY BE APPROVED AND ACCEPTED AS BEING ADEQUATE AND A PROJECT ENTITLEMENT DENIED BASED ON ITS MERITS. SO APPROVAL OF THE CQA DOCUMENT DOES NOT COMMIT DECISION MAKERS TO ANY SPECIFIC ACTION ON ENTITLEMENTS. SO I OFFER THOSE REMARKS, UH, REGARDING CQA FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING AS THE HEARING PROCEEDS. AND, UM, OUR STAFF WILL CONTINUE THE PRESENTATION, UM, LOOKING AT THE SPECIFICS OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. NEXT. THANK YOU, OLIVIA. UM, IN TERMS OF CQA, IT DOES ENCOMPASS VARIOUS PARTS OF THE ENVIRONMENT AND AS MANY PEOPLE ARE HERE FOR TODAY ON THE ELEMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL RELATED TO HISTORIC PRESERVATION. UH, SO THAT IS A, UH, LEVEL OF HISTORY, UH, CONTEXT. AND I'D LIKE TO PAUSE FOR A BRIEF UNDERSTANDING AND, UH, SHARING OF DESCRIPTION OF CITY OF PETALUMA IN THAT HISTORY. UH, SO THESE TWO IMAGES THAT I'M SHARING HERE TODAY, UH, PROVIDE A BIRD'S EYE VIEW FROM A DISTANCE UNDERSTANDING, UH, HOW THE CITY HAS, UH, DEVELOPED, HOW IT HAS GROWN, HOW IT HAS EVOLVED. UH, THE FIRST IMAGE TO THE LEFT IS THE BIRD'S EYE VIEW, INCLUDING THE PETALUMA RIVER. UH, COMING FROM THE DOWNTOWN AND INTO THE PETALUMA HILLS. AND THE SECOND IMAGE TO THE RIGHT, UH, WE HAVE A ROOFTOP VIEW, UH, SHOWING A VARIETY OF ELEMENTS AND BUILDINGS, UH, WITH A, UH, A COMPLEX, UH, COMBINATION OF MULTI-STORY, UH, BUILDINGS SHOWING THAT INTENSITY, UH, DIFFERENCE IN USES, UH, ENGAGING WITH THE CONTEXT ITSELF. UH, THESE IMAGES AS WELL DEMONSTRATE HOW THE CITY HAS DEVELOPED AND EVOLVED FROM ITS, UH, AGRICULTURAL PAST, UH, WORKING AND DEVELOPING FROM DIFFERENT MODES OF TRANSPORTATION AND HOW IT CONTINUES TO GROW. UH, SO WITH THESE TWO IMAGES, I, I DID WANT TO SHARE WITH THE AUDIENCE AND WITH THE COMMITTEE AS WELL, HOW THE CITY CAN CONTINUE TO REFLECT, UH, MAINTAIN AND SUPPORT ITS HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND ITS HISTORIC RESOURCES. UH, RELATED TO THE EVOLUTION OF THE CITY ITSELF, THERE IS A ARRAY OF ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES, UH, THAT ARE PROMINENT, UH, WITHIN OUR DOWNTOWN AREA. AND, UH, WITHIN OUR HISTORIC COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, UH, WE DO SEE A VARIETY OF ARCHITECTURAL, UH, FEAT THAT HAS BEEN, UH, PRE OBSERVED AND MAINTAINED AS, AS A NATIONAL AND LOCAL LANDMARK. UH, SO THE IMAGE ON THE LEFT THAT WE HAVE, UH, SHARING WITH THE AUDIENCE TODAY IS A LOOK TO, UH, PETALUMA BOULEVARD NORTH, UH, FORMERLY MAIN STREET, UH, DEMONSTRATING THE DEVELOPMENT OF ARCHITECTURAL STYLES OF, UH, INTENSITY OF VARIETY OF USE AND HEIGHTS. UH, THIS IS TO REFLECT AND, AND UNDERSTAND WHERE THERE COULD BE, UM, REFLECTION TO THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLES AND USES OF HEIGHT AND, AND DENSITY. UH, THE SECOND IMAGE TO THE LEFT IS, UH, UH, THE INTERSECTION OF WESTERN AND KENTUCKY STREET. UH, THIS ALSO ILLUSTRATES THE FORMER BUILDING, UH, LOCATED AT THE CORNER FOR SUB AREA B, UH, WHICH WAS, UH, THE FORMER CITY HOTEL. UH, THIS, UH, PARTICULAR LOT. I DID WANNA HIGHLIGHT HOW IT HAD VARIOUS LEVELS, UH, PRIOR TO ITS CURRENT USE AS A, UH, BANK LOCATION OF A SINGLE STORY. UH, WITH THESE IMAGES, I DO WANNA SHARE HOW THE LEVEL OF ARCHITECTURAL HAS DEVELOPED AND HAS FORMED TO A VARIETY OF USES AND, AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO REFLECT ON AND MAINTAIN OUR HISTORIC, UH, RESOURCES WITHIN PETALUMA. UH, LASTLY, UH, WITH THESE PAIR OF IMAGES, UH, WE HAVE THE FORMER CONTINENTAL HOTEL ALSO LOCATED IN THAT, IN THAT CORNER, UH, INTERSECTION BETWEEN WESTERN AND KENTUCKY STREET. UH, THIS, UH, HOTEL, UH, HAD GONE THROUGH, UH, THREE VARIATIONS. UH, UNFORTUNATELY WHAT WAS BURNED DOWN, UH, BUT IT SHOWS THAT HISTORY, THAT DEVELOPMENT, THAT USE OF INTENSITY IN A VERY LOW, UM, SOMEWHAT ONE STORY BUILDING AT THE MOMENT. UH, SO THESE ARE HISTORIC IMAGES, UH, TO REFLECT ON, TO UNDERSTAND, UH, THE INTENSITY THAT WE CAN, UH, SUPPORT AND, AND DIRECT IN TERMS OF LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, UH, USES IN THE GROUND FLOOR. UH, I DID HIGHLIGHT ON THE SECOND IMAGE TO THE LEFT HOW THE GROUND FLOOR OF, OF THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING WAS USED AS, UH, A METHOD TO [01:05:01] ACTIVATE THE GROUND FLOOR WITH MULTIPLE, UH, COMMERCIAL USES AS WELL. UH, IN TURN, AS PART OF THE OVERLAY DISCUSSION AND DEVELOPMENT, UH, THERE WAS A CONSULTANTS, UH, FROM, FROM THE APPLICANT, UH, PAGE THAT DEVELOPED, UH, PRELIMINARY RESEARCH AND ANALYSIS TO WHAT OUR EXISTING RESOURCES ARE, WHAT IS OUR, UH, CURRENT, UH, DEVELOPMENT AND, UH, LEVEL OF HEIGHTS WITHIN THE PETALUMA BOULEVARD. UH, SO WITHIN IT, UH, ANALYSIS THAT WE'VE PRESENTED THROUGH THE STUDY SESSIONS, UH, UNDERSTANDING AND, UH, COMMUNICATING WHERE ARE THE EXISTING HEIGHTS, WHAT TYPES OF RESOURCES ARE THERE, DOES IT SUPPORT OR, UM, INFLUENCE THE HEIGHTS THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO SUPPORT WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS. UM, THERE WAS A QUESTION EARLIER FOR THE PRESENTATION ON WHERE THESE HISTORIC DISTRICTS ARE IN RELATION TO THESE SUB AREAS. UH, SO I DO WANNA PAUSE IN THIS MOMENT AND, AND SHARE WITH EVERYONE IN THE AUDIENCE, UH, WHERE THESE SUB AREAS ARE. UH, SO I'LL START WITH SUB AREA A TO THE, UH, BOTTOM RIGHT SIDE ON THE EAST, UH, WHERE IT LOCATES THE CORNER, UH, OF THE HISTORIC COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. UH, THREE PARCELS ON THE TOP, UH, LEFT CORNER, UH, SUB AREA B IN THE CENTER WHERE THESE ARE TWO PARCELS AND ONE PARCEL FALLS UNDER THE HISTORIC COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. UH, THIS IS, UH, THE FORMER, UH, CHASE, UH, BUILDINGS THAT ARE, UH, AT THE CORNER OF WESTERN AND KENTUCKY STREET. UH, THE LAST SUB AREA, SUB AREA C IS ADJACENT TO THE HISTORIC COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, UH, NOT WITHIN THE PERIMETER, NOT INCLUDING BUILDINGS, UH, WHETHER CONTRIBUTING OR NOT CONTRIBUTING, BUT IS, UH, ADJACENT. AND NEXT TWO BUILDINGS, UH, WITHIN THE PROPOSED OVERLAY AND THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, WHICH WE'LL FURTHER DISCUSS IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES, HOW, UH, THE ADJACENCY OR HOW ONE STRUCTURE ABUTS A HISTORIC RESOURCE, UH, ARE BEING CONSIDERED FOR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AS PART OF THE OVERLAY. AND BECAUSE THIS IS AN APPLICATION BEING SUBMITTED TO THE CITY, THERE ARE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED AND FORMALLY REVIEWED. UH, AND THE DOCUMENT THAT I'D LIKE TO PRESENT AND DISCUSS IS THE HISTORIC CULTURAL RESOURCE REPORT. UH, THIS REPORT WAS DEVELOPED BY DIANA PAINTER, UH, UH, WITH PAINTER PRESERVATION. AND THIS IS A HIGH LEVEL, UH, REPORT ON THE OVERLAY ON THE FRAMEWORK OF THE, THE PROJECT, UH, DEMONSTRATING THE, HIS, THE HISTORIC CONTEXT, UH, THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE, AND A, AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT THE OVERLAY CONTAINS IN T IN TERMS OF EXISTING CONTENT, THERE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE PROVIDED WITHIN THIS REPORT, AND THE THREE PRIMARY RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE BEEN CARRIED FORWARD FOR THE LAY DEVELOPMENT. UH, THE FIRST RECOMMENDATION RE RELATED TO A RECONNAISSANCE LEVEL SURVEY, UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE PROPERTIES, UH, CONTAIN, UH, CONTAINING THAT INITIAL REVIEW OF THE PROPERTY. UH, THE SECOND RECOMMENDATION ON A HISTORIC RESOURCE EVALUATION, UH, WHEN A PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS, UM, BEING PROPOSED WITHIN THE OVERLAY, ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION SUCH AS A HISTORIC RESOURCE EVALUATION WOULD BE SUBMITTED, UH, FOR REVIEW IN THAT DISCRETIONARY PROCESS. UH, LASTLY, THE RECOMMENDATION FOR VIEWSHED ANALYSIS. UH, THIS IS, UH, A DEVELOPED ANALYSIS TO THE VISUAL IMPACTS, UH, OF A PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. AND THESE ARE A HIGH QUALITY LEVEL ANALYSIS THAT, UH, EXAMINE THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS ON A PARTICULAR SITE. UH, WITHIN THIS REPORT, UH, IT PROVIDED A, AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT THE OVERLAY HAS IN TERMS OF THE SUB AREAS AND ITS LOCATIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS. AND I, I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE THAT DIANA PAINTER IS IN THE AUDIENCE AND AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS TO THE COMMITTEE, UH, DURING THE Q AND A SESSION. AND IN ADDITION TO THE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATIONS, UH, THERE WAS A PEER REVIEW CONDUCTED BY FIRST CARBON SOLUTIONS ON THE CULTURAL RESOURCE REPORT. AND THE RE AND THE, THE ADDITIONAL ASSISTANCE FOR A PEER REVIEW IS TO COMMUNICATE WHERE THERE ARE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OR ADDITIONAL RESOURCES THAT COULD BE INCLUDED WITHIN A CULTURAL REPORT WITHIN AN OVERLAY TYPE OF PROJECT. UH, AND WITH DETAILS FOR THE STAFF, FOR CITY STAFF TO CONSIDER. UH, WITHIN THIS PEER REVIEW, IT BROUGHT FORWARD THREE ITEMS TO RECOGNIZE. UH, THE FIRST ITEM WAS AN INDUSTRY STANDARD BASELINE [01:10:01] AND RECORDS. UH, IT PROVIDED AND REQUESTED, UH, REASONS TO ALLOCATE INFORMATION, UH, POTENTIAL AND ELIGIBLE HISTORIC RESOURCES WHEN THE WITHIN THE OVERLAY, SUCH AS, UH, RESOURCES FROM CHRIS AND BIRD. UM, AND THE SECOND ITEM THAT IT REQUESTED IN TERMS OF THE PEER REVIEW IS REFLECTING ON THE STATE AND LOCAL REGULATORY FRAMEWORKS. UM, AND LASTLY, THE THIRD FOR THE PEER REVIEW NOTED THAT THE CULTURAL RESOURCE REPORTS ARE TO SUPPORT A PROJECT OR TO DETERMINE, UH, WHERE THERE ARE AREAS TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SUPPORT. SO THAT ADDITIONAL SUPPORT MAY BE TO AVOID, REDUCE, OR MITIGATE IMPACTS, PARTICULARLY TO HISTORIC RESOURCES. UM, I'VE MAINTAINED, UH, THESE TWO SLIDES VERY, UM, LIMITED TO THE CONTENT, AND I DO WANNA ADDRESS THAT THERE IS A HIGH LEVEL, UH, OVERVIEW AND RESPONSE, UH, IN THE STAFF REPORT TO THE CULTURAL REPORT AND TO THE PEER REVIEW. UNDERSTANDING, UH, WHERE THE RECORDS WOULD COME INTO PLAY. UH, THE ADDITIONAL INDUSTRY RECORDS FROM CHRIS AND BIRD WOULD BE RELATED TO, UH, ANY PROGRAMMATIC PROJECT BEING, UH, WITHIN THE OVERLAY. IF THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT BEING PROPOSED, UH, WE WOULD BE SEEKING THOSE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES, UH, PER PROJECT, UH, THROUGH, UH, THE USE OF THE OVERLAY. UH, AND OF COURSE, UH, THROUGH THE OVERLAY DEVELOPMENT, UH, LOOKING AT STATE AND LOCAL REGULATORY FRAMEWORKS AND MAKING, UH, AWARE OF THOSE, UM, RESOURCES THAT ARE, UH, ELIGIBLE, UH, DESIGNATED AND YET TO BE ANALYZED AND TO DISCUSS THE OVERLAY IN TERMS OF ITS HISTORIC RESOURCES. UH, THE FOUR PARCELS THAT ARE WITHIN SUB AREA A AND B HAVE BEEN CLASSIFIED AS NON-CONTRIBUTING OR VACANT. UH, THESE ARE NOT, UH, CONTRIBUTING TO THE HISTORIC RESOURCE. UH, THEY, UH, HAVE NOT, UH, BEEN FORMALLY EVALUATED TO REVIEW ANY, UH, A DESIGNATED HISTORIC RESOURCE. SO I, I DO WANNA MENTION THAT ANY PROPERTY THAT IS BEING PROPOSED, UH, PROJECT, UH, WITH THE OVERLAY THAT THERE IS A, A LEVEL OF REVIEW TO SEEK IF THERE'S ANY ELIGIBLE HISTORIC RESOURCES. UM, FOR EXAMPLE, IF A PROJECT WERE TO COME IN FOR ONE OF THE SUB AREAS, UM, WITH THE USE OF THE OVERLAY, UH, FOR ONE OF, TO SEEK ADDITIONAL HEIGHTS, UH, THEY WOULD CONTINUE TO BE SUBJECT TO THE EXISTING, UH, REVIEW CRITERIA THROUGH CQA, UH, THROUGH THE HISTORIC SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL RE REVIEW, AND THROUGH OUR DEMOLITION SOLUTION. AND WITHIN THESE EXISTING, UH, ROLES OF REVIEW, IT WOULD CONTINUE TO REVIEW FOR ELIGIBLE HISTORIC RESOURCES. UH, SO THESE, UH, FRAMEWORKS FOR REGULATORY REVIEW WOULD CONTINUE THROUGH THE OVERLAY. AND THE NEXT IMAGE, UH, RELATES TO THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS BEING PROPOSED THROUGH THE OVERLAY. UH, SO UNDERSTANDING WHERE THESE, UH, HISTORIC RESOURCES ARE, WHERE ELIGIBLE HISTORIC RESOURCES MAY BE, THERE ARE, UH, A DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED AND PROVIDED, UH, WITHIN PROJECTS PROPOSED IN THE OVERLAY. UH, SO ON THE IMAGE TO THE LEFT, WE SEE A, A PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT FOR ONE LOCATED AND A BUDDING HISTORIC RESOURCE. THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD REQUIRE A DATA LINE THAT'S VISUAL TO EXPRESS, UM, THE NEW DEVELOPMENT AND REFLECT ITS HISTORIC RESOURCE. IT WOULD REQUIRE A 10 MINIMUM, UH, FOOT SET SIDE SETBACK, AND A EIGHT FOOT FRONT STEP BACK AT 45 FEET OR HIGHER. UM, THE SECOND IMAGE TO THE RIGHT IS IF A, A HISTORIC RESOURCE IS A BUDDING, UH, WITH A REAR SIDE, UH, SIDE STREET OR AN ALLEY WHERE THERE COULD BE A CONTINUANCE OF A DATUM LINE. AND AGAIN, WITH A STEP BACK, UH, AT THE EIGHT FOOT MINIMUM. AND THESE ARE, UH, IMAGES THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED, UH, THROUGH THE OVERLAY IN TERMS OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT WOULD BE APPLICABLE TO PROJECTS, UH, WITHIN AREAS, UH, OF THE OVERLAY. UH, THERE ARE OTHER ADDITIONAL, UH, DETAILS AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, UH, IN RELATION TO, TO THE SUB AREAS. AND THE FOLLOWING WILL BE PRESENTED, UH, BY GREG. THANK YOU. SO THIS NEXT SLIDE IS A CONTINUATION OF WHAT WAS JUST SHOWN AND [01:15:01] ADDRESSES A, A DIFFERENT ISSUE. AND THAT'S WHEN A NEW BUILDING IN THE OVERLAY WOULD CONFRONT, WHICH MEANS ACROSS THE STREET, UH, A RESIDENTIAL USE. AND IN THIS CASE, THERE'S A 10 FOOT SETBACK THAT APPLIES ONCE A BUILDING CROSSES THE 30 FOOT LINE, AND THEN EACH ADDITIONAL 10 FEET AND ADDITIONAL 10 FOOT SETBACKS APPLICABLE. AND EARLIER THERE WAS A QUESTION OF ARE THERE HISTORIC, SORRY, ARE THERE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES ABUTTING OR WITHIN THE OVERLAYS AND, UH, AR AREA A AND B? THERE ARE NO RESIDENTIAL USES KNOWN JUST BY STAFF TO BE IN THE OVERLAY AND NONE ABUTTING OR CONFRONTING. AND C THERE ARE TWO ABUTTING AND THREE CONFRONTING, WHICH MEANS ACROSS THE STREET RESIDENTIAL USES. SO THIS SETBACK, YOU KNOW, APPLIES WHEN THERE IS A RESIDENTIAL USE. THERE WOULD BE A SETBACK THAT WOULD THEN KICK IN, BUT IN MOST CASES, UM, THE RESIDENTIAL USES WOULD ONLY BE THOSE THAT ARE EXISTING BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE LIKELY NON-CONFORMING. 'CAUSE THE DISTRICT TODAY DOES NOT ALLOW A PARCEL TO BE USED SOLELY BY RESIDENTIAL USE. NEXT SLIDE. SO I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO READ THE, THE CRITERIA. THIS IS AN IMPORTANT THING TO REMIND EVERYONE ABOUT. AND THIS IS, UH, I THINK THE, THE CRITERIA TO EXCEED 45 FEET IS LARGELY THE SAME AS WHAT WAS SEEN BY THE HISTORIC COMMISSION IN OCTOBER. UH, AND THE FIRST STEP TO POINT OUT IS NEW BUILDINGS IN PETALUMA REQUIRE SPAR IF THEY'RE NOT IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, OR H SPAR, IF THEY ARE CEQ L APPLIES IF YOU'RE IN A DISTRICT OR YOU'RE NOT IN A DISTRICT, SEQL APPLIES. AND WHAT THE OVERLAY DOES IS IT ADDS TO THE EXISTING PROCESS, WHICH IS DISCRETIONARY, EITHER SPAR H SPAR, AND THERE'S SEQL APPLICABLE IN BOTH CASES. ADDITIONAL CRITERIA TO HAVE A BUILDING EXCEED THE EXISTING 45 FOOT HIGH LIMIT, AND I'M JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE COMMUNITY OR READ THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE REQUIRED. AND ALL OF THEM MUST BE MADE FOR ANY BUILDING TO EXCEED THE EXISTING 45 FOOT HEIGHT LIMIT. THE FIRST IS THAT THE HEIGHT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE APPLICABLE PURPOSES O OF THE OVERLAY. THE HEIGHT MUST MAKE A POSITIVE CONTRIBUTION TO THE OVERALL CHARACTER OF THE AREA, AND THAT THE BUILDING WILL BE COMPATIBLE WITH ITS SURROUNDINGS. AND IT'S WORTH POINTING OUT THAT THESE ARE FINDINGS THAT MUST BE MADE BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, ALL FIVE OF THEM. NEXT IS THE HEIGHT WOULD NOT CAUSE AN ADVERSE CHANGE IN THE SIGNIFICANCE OR INTEGRITY OF A HISTORIC RESOURCE THAT IS ONSITE OR ADJACENT TO THE SITE. FOURTH, FINDING THE HEIGHT WILL NOT UNDULY RESTRICT ACCESS TO LIGHT AND AIR FROM ADJACENT PROPERTIES OR THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY OR OTHERWISE BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, OR WELFARE. AND THE FINAL FINDING FOR ANY BUILDING TO EXCEED THE 45 FOOT HEIGHT LIMIT IS THE BUILDING DESIGN EXPRESSES A RELATIONSHIP TO, TO AN EXISTING DATUM LINE OR LINES OF THE STREET WALL OR ADJACENT HISTORIC RESOURCE, IF ANY. AND THIS CRITERIA WAS SOMEWHAT PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION BASED ON STAFF'S BELIEF. AND THEN IT WAS MODIFIED BASED ON THINGS THAT WE HEARD IN THIS ROOM. THE NEXT LIST. SO ON THE NEXT SLIDE IS THE CRITERIA THAT APPLIES IN ADDITION TO WHAT I JUST READ, TO EXCEED THE 45 FOOT HIGH LIMIT. SO IN ADDITION TO EVERYTHING I'VE SAID SO FAR, H BAR SPAR CWA TO GO FROM 45 TO 60 CONDITIONS USE PERMIT MUST BE GRANTED BY THE PLANT COMMISSION FOR ANY OTHER BUILDING THAT GOES ABOVE 60 FEET. YOU NEED THE CONDITION USE PERMIT BASED ON THOSE FIVE FINDINGS I JUST READ. AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A FINDING OF ONE OF THREE OF THESE APPLY TO A PROJECT. AND WHAT'S ON THIS SCREEN HERE IS, UH, TO KEEP THE FONT SIZE LARGE ENOUGH SO IT CAN BE READ, UH, READABLE IN THE REAR OF THE ROOM. UH, IT'S NOT THE COMPLETE FINDINGS. THE COMPLETE FINDINGS ARE FOUND IN ATTACHMENTS A AND D IN AN EXHIBIT, EXHIBIT ONE. BUT THE FIRST LIST OF CRITERIA THAT COULD APPLY TO A PROJECT, AND AGAIN, THERE'S SIX LISTED, ONLY THREE MUST BE FOUND TRUE ABOUT A PROJECT, IS THAT THE PROJECT WOULD IMPROVE THE EXISTING STREETSCAPE. THERE'S MANY WAYS THAT COULD BE DONE, AND THE, THE ORDINANCE SPELLS OUT WHAT THAT MEANS. THE SECOND IS THAT A PROJECT WOULD INCLUDE PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE PRIVATE OPEN SPACE, SUCH AS A PARK ROOFTOP OPEN SPACE, AND THAT THAT SPACE IS OPEN AT LEAST EIGHT HOURS PER DAY AND AT LEAST 120 DAYS PER YEAR. THE THIRD, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAME OUT OF COMMENTS IN THIS ROOM, IS THAT THESE TALL BUILDINGS, THESE BUILDINGS THAT ARE ABOVE 60 FEET AND UP TO 75 FEET TALL, DEMONSTRATE EXCEPTIONAL ARCHITECTURE OR DESIGN. AND THERE'S A LIST OF WHAT WE FIND TO BE EXCEPTIONAL ARCHITECTURE THAT'S NOT INCLUDED ON THE SCREEN, BUT I CAN DIRECT YOU AGAIN TO ATTACHMENTS A OR D. THE FOURTH POTENTIAL CRITERIA IS THAT A RESPECTS ANOR PRESERVES [01:20:01] CULTURAL, HISTORICAL, OR ARCHEOLOGICAL RESOURCES THAT EXIST OR OCCUR ONSITE OR WITHIN THE OVERLAY. FIFTH OF THE POTENTIAL CRITERIA IS THAT EXCEEDS THE, THE PROJECT WOULD INCLUDE AFFORDABLE UNITS SUCH THAT IT, THE NUMBER WOULD EXCEED THE MINIMUM REQUIRED BY THE ZONING ORDINANCE. AND THEN FINALLY, THAT ALL PARKING THAT'S REQUIRED FOR THE PROJECT IS BELOW GRADE. AND I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THE LAST, SORRY, CRITERIA THREE, FIVE, AND SIX WERE, WE BELIEVE REFLECTIVE OF COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE BY THE HCPC OR THE PC IN THIS ROOM. LET'S MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS DISPLAYED IN FRONT OF THE HISTORIC COMMISSION IN OCTOBER. IT'S PROBABLY NEW FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AND THAT'S THE PEDESTRIAN FACADE ACTIVATION. AND WITHIN EACH SUB AREA, WE'VE IDENTIFIED WHAT I'LL CALL JUST THE RED LINED AREAS WITH THE CROSSHATCHING, AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE. AND THE IDEA WITH THIS IS THAT TO MIRROR AND SORT OF CONTINUE THE HISTORIC RETAIL PATTERN IN THE DOWNTOWN, THERE SHOULD BE A MINIMUM DEPTH OF RETAIL IN THESE BUILDINGS, IN THESE LOCATIONS WHERE THE RED AND THE CROSSHATCHING IS SHOWN. SO ALONG SUBRA A, IT'S PETALUMA BOULEVARD, 30 FEET DEEP FROM THAT STREET FRONT, WRAPPING THE CORNER ON B, C, AND D STREETS 60 FEET. AND THEN WITHIN ANY BUILDING THAT'S PROPOSED IN THE OVERLAY, THERE'D BE A RETAIL DEPTH OF AT LEAST 30 FEET. AND THE OTHER THING TO POINT OUT ABOUT THIS PEDESTRIAN FACADE ACTIVATION ZONE IS THERE'S A MORE LIMITED RANGE OF USES THAT ARE ALLOWED OR PROPOSED TO BE ALLOWED THAN WHAT THE ZONING WOULD TODAY ALLOW. AND THESE ARE ALL LISTED IN EXHIBIT 14, AS WELL AS REFLECTED IN THE ORDINANCE. AND THESE USES WERE CHOSEN BECAUSE THEY'RE TYPICALLY MORE PEDESTRIAN SERVING USES THAN WHAT THE, THE CITY WOULD ALLOW OTHERWISE IN THIS AREA. AND THE FOCUS ON ARTISAN SHOPS, GENERAL RETAIL OF 25,000 SQUARE FEET OR LESS. RESTAURANTS, CAFES, COFFEE SHOPS, GROCERIES, OR SPECIAL SPECIALTY FOODS, AGAIN, 25,000 SQUARE FEET OR LESS. BANKS, FINANCIAL SERVICES, FITNESS, HEALTH FACILITIES, DANCE STUDIOS, MARTIAL ARTS, PERSONAL SERVICES, OR LIBRARY MUSEUM OR ART GALLERY. AND I THINK BEHIND THIS LIST OF USES IS YOU'RE IN THE AREA AND YOU SEE SOMETHING INTERESTING AND YOU GO INTO IT. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A DESTINATION, YOU JUST HAPPEN TO BE THERE, OR IT'S A SERVICE THAT PROVIDES AN AMENITY TO THE PEOPLE THAT WORK OR LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS RESTAURANTS, DRY CLEANERS, LAUNDRY, YOU KNOW, PLACES, BANKS, UM, AND THE LIKE. THE OTHER THING I NEED TO POINT OUT IN SUB A, AND THE SAME APPLIES FOR B AND C, IS IF YOU'RE NOT IN THIS PEDESTRIAN ACTIVATION ZONE, IE YOU'RE MORE THAN 30 FEET FROM ONE OF THESE STREET FRONTAGES RESIDENTIAL WOULD BE ALLOWED ON THE GROUND FLOOR, WHICH IS A CHANGE FROM HOW IT IS TODAY. THE OTHER COMPONENT OF, UH, THESE PEDESTRIAN AND FACADE ACTIVATION ZONES IS IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, UH, AN AREA THAT YOU WANNA WALK, AN AREA THAT YOU WANNA SHOP IN, THE CITY NEEDS TO HAVE SOME DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OF WHAT THOSE FACADES LOOK LIKE AND HOW THE INTERIORS OF THOSE SPACES ARE PROGRAMMED. SO WITHIN THE ORDINANCE, AND ALSO DETAILED IN EXHIBIT 14, ARE REQUIREMENTS FOR HOW MUCH STOREFRONT GLAZING OR WINDOWS MUST BE PRESENT ON THE FACADE UP TO A HEIGHT OF 14 FEET. AND THE THINKING THERE IS THAT YOU DON'T WANNA HAVE BLANK WALLS. YOU WANT TO HAVE WINDOWS WHERE YOU CAN SEE IN AND SEE MATERIALS AND, UH, EITHER CAFES OR THINGS TO BUY. AND WITHIN THAT ZONE, THERE'S RESTRICTIONS ON HOW TALL PARTITIONS CAN BE OR HOW TALL, UH, A WALL CAN BE OR A SHELVING. AND AGAIN, THE THINKING THERE IS, IF YOU, IF A CITY REQUIRES GLASS STOREFRONTS, BUT THEN DOESN'T SAY, AND YOU CAN'T PUT YOUR SHELVES IN FRONT OF THAT GLASS, THEN WE'RE NOT GETTING WHAT WE WANT. SO THERE'S A COMBINATION OF THINGS HERE THAT WE'RE SPELLING OUT, WHICH IS THE FIRST IS THERE'S A MINIMUM GLAZING REQUIREMENT IF YOU HAVE A BLANK WALL, AND SOMETIMES YOU NEED TO HAVE A BLANK WALL FOR MECHANICAL NEEDS OR FOR DOORWAYS, OR TO BRING IN TRASH OR RECYCLING. WE LIMIT THE LENGTH OF THOSE. AND THEN ALSO, WHEN THERE IS A GLAZING, UH, REQUIREMENT, THERE'S A MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF SIGNAGE THAT CAN BE APPLIED TO THAT, AGAIN, SO THAT YOU HAVE TRANSPARENCY, SO YOU CAN SEE INTO THE SPACE AND ALSO THAT THE PEOPLE INSIDE CAN SEE OUT TO THE STREET AND NOT HAVE THAT VIEW OBSCURED BY SIGNS OR WALLS OR SHELVES. SO, UH, THE, THE SLIDE THAT'S UP IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY SHOWS WHERE WE THINK THAT THOSE PEDESTRIAN AND FACADE ACTIVATION ZONES SHOULD BE, AND THEY LARGELY MIRROR WHAT'S ACROSS THE STREET OR ADJACENT TO EITHER WHAT'S IN SUB AREA A OR IN SUB AREA B, OR AS YOU CAN SEE IN SUB AREA A, THEY ACTIVATE THE CORNERS TO KIND OF DRAW YOU IN FROM THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS ACROSS THE STREET INTO THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND THE COMMERCIAL USES THAT EXIST IN SUB AREA A. CAN YOU SWITCH TO SUB AREA C? SUB AREA C DOES MUCH THE SAME THING. IT ON ALONG WESTERN AVENUE. IT SORT OF MIRRORS [01:25:01] THE RETAIL AND PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED USES THAT ARE TO THE SOUTH AND ALSO DOES THE SAME ALONG WASHINGTON. AND AGAIN, IF IT'S NOT MAPPED AS ONE OF THESE TWO, UH, THE PEDESTRIAN ACT FACADE ACTIVATION, THEN GROUND FLOOR RESIDENTIAL COULD BE ALLOWED. I THINK IT'S TIME. LET'S MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE. SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN AUGUST, THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT THE ECONOMIC ASSESSMENT, YOU KNOW, WANTING TO KNOW WHAT, WHAT WOULD THE OVERLAY DO? AND SO THE CITY COMMISSIONED A STUDY FROM STRATEGIC ECONOMICS, AND THE STAFF PERSON'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MEMORANDUM, WHICH IS IN ATTACHMENT K, ARE HERE FOR QUESTIONS. THE SLIDE, AGAIN, JUST TO KEEP THE FONT SIZE LARGE ENOUGH, HAS SORT OF FOUR HIGH LEVEL COMMENTS THAT I, I PULLED FROM THE, THE MEMORANDUM, AND THAT'S THE OVERLAY. AND THIS IS FROM THEIR, THEIR STUDY AND THEIR KNOWLEDGE OF PETALUMA, UH, FROM THEIR WORK DOING THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE, UH, ECONOMIC ASSESSMENT. THEY BELIEVE THAT THE OVERLAY COULD ALLOW A GREATER DIVERSITY OF HOUSING PROJECTS BECOME MORE FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE, THE GREATER THE FLOOR AREA, THE MORE FLOOR AREA TO SORT OF SPREAD AROUND THE FIXED COSTS. THE OVERLAY WOULD ALSO PROVIDE GREATER LONG-TERM FLEXIBILITY FOR HOUSING DEVELOPERS, AND IT WOULD INCREASE THE LIKELIHOOD THAT A RESIDENTIAL PRODUCT WOULD BE BUILT. AND, AND IF YOU SEE IN THIS, THIS IS WHEN DEVELOPMENT CONDITIONS IMPROVE, UH, A THING THAT'S AFFECTING RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IS, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION COSTS, LABOR MATERIALS ARE VERY EXPENSIVE, INTEREST RATES ARE HIGH, AND THE RENTS AND THE SALES PRICE FOR NEW HOUSING ISN'T AT THE RIGHT POINT TO FOSTER RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. BUT STRATEGIC AND ECONOMICS BELIEVES THAT WHEN THOSE CONDITIONS IMPROVE, THE OVERLAY WILL THEN KIND OF ADDITIVE ADD ONTO THAT AND MAKE IT MORE POSSIBLE FOR RESIDENTIAL TO HAPPEN. THEY ALSO BELIEVE THAT THE OVERLAY WILL PROVIDE GREATER FLEXIBILITY TO ACCOMMODATE OPPORTUNITY FOR INFO O OFFICE DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN FINALLY, THE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT LAW COVERAGE AND FLOOR AREA ARE LIKELY TO BENEFIT HOTEL DEVELOPMENT IN DOWNTOWN PETALUMA. LET'S MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE DISCUSSION SECTION IN THE STAFF REPORT. AND THIS IS FROM THE STAFF REPORT, UH, PAGES 25 TO 27, UM, WITHIN YOUR MATERIALS YOU HAVE OF WHAT WE BELIEVE TO BE SORT OF THE OVERLAP AND THE CONSISTENCY WITH THIS OVERLAY DISCUSSION AND THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE. STAFF REPORT ALSO DETAILS SOME HIGH LEVEL, UM, STATEMENTS ABOUT THE CENTRAL PETALUMA SPECIFIC PLAN AND THE SMART CODE AND HOW THERE'S SOME, UH, RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN THE TWO AND HOW THE OVERLAY WOULD POTENTIALLY ALLOW NEW DEVELOPMENT TO MIRROR AGAIN, WHAT'S ACROSS THE STREET ON, UH, IN THE CENTRAL PETALUMA SPECIFIC PLAN AREA. AND THERE'S ALSO WITHIN THE STAFF REPORT A SECTION THAT DISCUSSES HOW CHAPTER 15 AND CHAPTER 25, UM, THE FINDINGS ARE MET. LET'S MOVE ON. I, CONTINUING THAT DISCUSSION AGAIN, STAFF REPORT PAGE 22 DETAILS, UH, THE HOUSING ELEMENT, AND ONE THING THAT'S KEY ABOUT WHAT THE HOUSING ELEMENT THAT WAS ADOPTED THIS YEAR TALKS ABOUT IS INFILL NEAR TRANSIT AND SERVICES, UH, AND INCREASING DENSITY. AND WE BELIEVE THAT THE OVERLAY WOULD ALLOW GREATER DENSITY, AND IT'S OBVIOUSLY NEAR TRANSIT AND SERVICES BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THEY ARE IN DOWNTOWN. WE'VE GOT THE SMART STATION IN THE TRANSIT HUB, PRIOR PRIORITY DEVELOPMENT AREA. IT'S DETAIL ON PAGE 24 OF THE STAFF REPORT. UM, WITHIN THE PRIOR PRIORITY DEVELOPMENT AREA, IT CALLS FOR REVIT REVITALIZING PARTS OF THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN. IT ALSO CALLS FOR A GREATER DIVERSITY INTENSIVE USES, WHICH THE OVERLAY WOULD AFFORD. PAGE 27 IN STAFF REPORT ALSO DISCUSSES THE BLUEPRINT FOR CARBON NEUTRALITY AND THE BLUEPRINT FOR CARBON NEUTRALITY. ONE OF THE HIGHLIGHTS THAT I PULLED FROM THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, INFILL DENSITY AND INTENSITY. THE CITY WANTS INFILL HOUSING, GREATER DENSITY INTENSITY OF LAND USES REDUCES THE CARBON FOOTPRINT. LET'S MOVE ON, MOVE ON PLEASE. AND THEN FINALLY, UM, THIS MEETING TONIGHT, IT WAS PUBLIC NOTICE. UH, THERE WAS AN ONSITE POSTER THIS INSTALLED ON THE SITE. UM, THE NOTICE AREA FOR ALL MAIL NOTICES WAS A THOUSAND FEET OF THE STUDY AREA. IT WAS REPRESENTED ABOUT A THOUSAND PIECES OF NOTICE WENT OUT TO THE PUBLIC, AND IT WAS ALSO PUBLISHED IN THE NEWSPAPER. AND, UH, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE JUNE MEETING PUBLIC NOTICE OF THERE'S A THOUSAND FOOT OF THE STUDY AREA. THERE WAS A NOTICE SENT IN JULY AND AUGUST FOR THE AUGUST MEETING. THERE WAS A NOTICE SENT JUST BEFORE THE OCTOBER MEETING, I TALLIED UP. AND IT'S ROUGHLY FIVE NOTICES [01:30:01] HAVE BEEN, UH, RELEASED FOR THIS TO INFORM THE PUBLIC. UM, THE GOAL BET BEHIND WHAT I'D CALL AN OVERROAD NOTICE AREA IS JUST TO INCLUDE A, A GREATER AREA THAN JUST THE MINIMUM. SO I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THIS, WHEN THE STUDY, SORRY, WHEN THE OVERLAY WAS RELEASED IN JUNE, IT INCLUDED A LARGER AREA WHEN THE OVERLAY WAS REDUCED TO THREE SUB AREAS. THE NOTICE AREA REMAINED THE LARGER AREA BECAUSE THE, THE, THE INFLUENCE OR THE IMPACT OR THE, UH, THE, THE AREA THAT WOULD BE, UH, POTENTIALLY AFFECTED BY THE OVERLAY COVERS MUCH MORE THAN JUST ACROSS THE STREET OR 500 FEET AWAY AND INCLUDES A LARGER AREA. SO WE'VE KEPT THE NOTICE BROAD TO MAKE SURE THAT A LARGER NUMBER OF PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THIS. AND IN, IN, IN SUMMARY, WE'VE RECEIVED A LOT OF COMMENTS. AND SO YOUR ATTACHMENT O INCLUDES COMMENTS UP THROUGH JUST AFTER FIVE O'CLOCK TODAY. AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S MIGHT BE 300 PAGES OF NOTICE OF COMMENTS AND MY FAVORITE SLIDE. WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE. AND YOU'VE HEARD THIS BEFORE, BUT IT'S WORTH REPEATING. UH, FOR THE OVERLAYED PROCEED, THERE'S SEVERAL THINGS THAT WOULD NEED TO HAPPEN. THE FIRST IS THE HCPC WOULD NEED TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AGAIN, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL. THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD NEED TO RECOMMEND THAT THE COUNCIL ADOPT THE MITIGATED NEGATIVE DECLARATION. THE PLANNING COMMISS SHOULD ALSO NEED TO RECOMMEND THAT THE COUNCIL ADOPT THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT AND THE ZONING TEXT AND ZONING MAP AMENDMENTS TO THE CITY COUNCIL. AND THAT'S THE CONCLUSION OF MY, UH, PART OF THE PRESENTATION. AND I THINK WE CAN TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT TEAM, OR DO I BRING IT BACK TO YOU? THE APPLICANT TEAM WOULD BE NEXT. OKAY. THANK YOU. I'M NOT SURE WHO'S GOING TO START, BUT THE, UH, UH, BARBARA OR SOMEONE FROM EKN IS INVITED UP. OH, MIKE JOLLY WILL FIRST PRESENT. AND BEFORE THE APPLICANT TEAM GETS STARTED, I JUST WANNA THANK ALL THE STAFF FOR THIS THOROUGH PRESENTATION AND FOR PEACEFULLY HANDING OFF EACH PART THAT YOU HAD. THANK YOU AGAIN AND WELCOME APPLICANT. AND I'LL ECHO THAT. THANK YOU STAFF. WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH YOU GUYS FOR A LONG TIME. IT'S NICE TO SEE IT COME DOWN TO THIS. UM, YOU KNOW, WE, THIS HAS BEEN A LONG PROCESS AND WE CAME HERE WITH THE IDEA OF BUILDING A HOTEL, AND THEN WE WERE TOLD, NO, WE NEED TO DO AN OVERLAY. WE CAN'T DO A SPOT ZONE CHANGE. AND, YOU KNOW, WE JUMPED AT THE CHANCE TO HELP WITH THIS OVERLAY TO BE THE APPLICANT BEHIND THIS OVERLAY. BE BECAUSE WE CARE ABOUT PETALUMA. WE ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT THE TOWNS THAT WE COME INTO AND BUILD. WE WANNA BECOME PART OF THE CULTURE OF THE TOWN. MY SON WITH SONOMA, I HAVE FAMILY IN THIS AREA, AND, AND TWO GRANDSONS. I CARE ABOUT THIS AREA. WE CARE ABOUT PETALUMA, AND THAT'S WHY WE WORKED SO HARD ON THIS OVERLAY. AND I WANNA POINT THAT OUT. WE WENT THROUGH SEVERAL ITERATIONS OF IT. UH, IT WAS A LONG, COSTLY EXPERIENCE, AND I THINK THAT WE'VE GOT IT DIALED IN WHERE WE REALLY TRIED TO LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC'S COMMENTS, TO PLANNING'S COMMENTS TO PC'S COMMENTS, AND REALLY GET IT DIALED IN. AND I THINK WE'RE THERE. UM, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE BARBARA MALONEY FROM, UH, PAIGE. SHE WORKS WITH A VERY GOOD ARCHITECTURAL FIRM. WE LOOKED FOR THE BEST ARCHITECTURAL FIRM IN THE BAY AREA, NORTH AREA, THAT HAD A GREAT PLANNING DEPARTMENT. PAIGE WAS THE ONE THAT POPPED OUT, AND WE HIRED HER. SHE HAS BEEN WORKING TIRELESSLY ON THIS PROGRAM WITH A PROJETA AND STAFF TO PERFECT THIS. AFTER BARBARA MAKES HER PRESENTATION, UH, EBY GIOVANNI, OUR CEO HAS A COUPLE WORDS TO SAY. THAT WAS AWFULLY NICE. MIC. THANK YOU, . UH, LET ME KNOW IF, IF YOU CAN'T HEAR ME. UH, YEAH. I'M BARBARA MALONEY. I'M AN URBAN PLANNER, URBAN DESIGNER. UM, I'VE BEEN A BAY AREA RESIDENT FOR 40 YEARS AND A NORTH BAY RESIDENT FOR 20 YEARS. AND OVER THAT TIME, I'VE HAD A CHANCE TO GET TO KNOW PETALUMA A LITTLE BIT. AND OVER THE LAST YEAR TO GET KNOW PETAL, GET TO KNOW PETALUMA REALLY WELL. AND I HAVE TO SAY, UM, YOU HAVE A WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL COMMUNITY. UM, THE HISTORIC RESOURCES, THE RIVER, THE MOUNTAINS, THE, YOUR NEAR FARMS, YOUR NEAR RANCHES, YOU HAVE YOUR GATEWAY TO THE, THE, UH, THE WEST BAY. IT, THERE'S JUST SO MANY GOOD THINGS ABOUT PETALUMA. UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE ALL OF OUR CITIES, UM, WE'RE ALL FACING [01:35:01] CHALLENGES. UH, I WORK WITH ALL KINDS OF BIG SMALL CITIES, UM, IN VARIOUS PLACES, PRIMARILY IN CALIFORNIA. YOU KNOW, WE ALL ARE STRUGGLING WITH A LACK OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND HOUSING IN GENERAL THAT CAN BE SUITABLE FOR A WIDE RANGE OF FAMILIES. SINGLES, YOU KNOW, ALMOST EVERYONE. WE'RE ALSO STRUGGLING WITH HOW TO FUND, UM, PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE NEEDED IN OUR COMMUNITIES, PARKS, OPEN SPACE, STREET SCAPE, UH, ALL THE AMENITIES, UM, AND ALSO HOW TO JUST FUND POLICE, FIRE, AND ALL THE PUBLIC SAFETY THAT NEEDS TO BE, UH, PROVIDED TO OUR CITIZENS FOR A SAFE AND GOOD LIFE. UM, BUT YOU'RE A UNIQUE PLACE, AND YOU DO HAVE, YOU DO HAVE CHARACTERISTICS AND RESOURCES THAT SHOULD REALLY BE PROTECTED AND ENHANCED AS YOU GO FORWARD. BUT, UM, I THINK I HAVE ANOTHER, SEVERAL MORE SLIDES HERE. UM, YEAH. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A TERRIFIC LITTLE DOWNTOWN. UM, AND IT'S CHANGING, IT'S EVOLVING, OF COURSE, JUST LIKE, LIKE THEY ALL DO. UM, NEXT N OF COURSE. UM, YOU HAVE SOME OF THE MOST WONDERFUL HISTORIC RESOURCES, I THINK, IN THE NORTH BAY, AND YOU'VE DONE A GOOD JOB OF PROTECTING THEM. AND YOU HAVE NEXT RESTAURANTS, SHOPS, UH, LOVELY SIDEWALK STREET SCAPES WITH THESE BEAUTIFUL HISTORIC BUILDINGS, FRONTING THEM. NEXT, AGAIN, BEAUTIFUL, GREAT, GREAT, UH, RETAIL, GREAT RESTAURANTS. UM, SOMETHING I THINK RECENTLY WAS JUST LISTED AS ONE OF THE BEST IN THE BAY AREA HERE IN PETALUMA NEXT. UH, AND ACCESS TO THE WATERFRONT, I MEAN, THAT IS REALLY UNUSUAL, UH, FOR A, FOR A TOWN LIKE THIS IN THE NORTH BAY, TO HAVE THAT WATERFRONT ACCESS AS WELL AS, AS ACCESS 360 DEGREES NEXT. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF ISSUES, UH, FACING THE CITY, I THINK, THAT ARE GONNA HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED AND IN THESE PARTICULAR AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN STUDIED AS PART OF THIS PROJECT. NEXT, YOU HAVE THIS, THESE GREAT RESOURCES, UH, IN THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS NEXT AND IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS, THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS AS WELL. SO THE TWO, THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, ARE ABSOLUTELY WORTH PROTECTING AND ENHANCING. UM, AND WE BELIEVE, FULLY BELIEVE IN THAT AS AN APPROACH NEXT. BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, UM, THESE AREAS THAT SOME OF THE SITES, SOME OF THE PARCELS WITHIN THE, THE THREE STUDY AREAS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED FOR THE PROJECT ARE REALLY NOT WHAT ANY OF YOU I THINK WANT PETALUMA TO LOOK LIKE. UM, YOU HAVE VACANT SITES, YOU HAVE PARKING LOTS, DOMINATING MANY AREAS, AND WITH PARKING LOTS, EVEN THOUGH MANY OF THEM ARE, ARE QUITE EMPTY, APPEAR TO BE QUITE EMPTY MUCH OF THE TIME WITH PARKING LOTS, YOU GET THE ADDITIONAL PROBLEM OF CARS COMING IN AND OUT OF DRIVEWAYS, WHICH CAN CONFLICT WITH BICYCLISTS, CAN CONFLICT WITH PEDESTRIANS, CAN CREATE SAFETY ISSUES. UM, NEXT, SO IN AREA, UM, A THE, UH, YOU HAVE SITUATIONS LIKE THIS WHERE YOU HAVE A SEVEN 11 ON PETALUMA BOULEVARD. UM, IT'S GOT A, A PARKING LOT IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING. IT'S WHAT YOU SEE, IT'S GOT CURB CUTS ON ALL SIDES. UM, IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S NOT A GREAT WAY TO ENTER DOWNTOWN PETALUMA. UM, AND THOSE KINDS OF USES ARE VERY, UH, NOT AT ALL UNUSUAL IN MORE SUBURBAN AREAS, BUT AS AN URBAN AREA GROWS AND MATURES OFTEN, UM, THE COMMUNITY TRIES TO REPLACE THOSE WITH MORE INTENSE USES, MORE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED USES. NEXT ON IN AREA B, UM, ON THE RIGHT SIDE, WHICH IS THE PARCELS THAT ARE IN CONSIDERATION HERE, WHERE THE WELLS FARGO IS. UM, AT THE TOP THERE, YOU SEE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT UP AT PETALUMA BOULEVARD. BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR BLOCK YOU HAVE TWO HOTELS. THEY HAVE PARKING LOTS, ADJOINING THEM AGAIN, WITH CURB CUTS ONTO THE STREET, AND ESSENTIALLY A BLANK FACADE, WHICH MEANS THAT IT'S NOT A VERY INTERESTING PLACE TO WALK. AND WHEN I'VE WALKED DOWN THAT STREET, I'VE MADE A POINT OF CROSSING TO THE OTHER SIDE 'CAUSE THERE'S SOME INTERESTING STORES AND THINGS TO TAKE A LOOK AT OVER THERE NEXT. AND THEN FINALLY IN AREA C, UM, WHICH IS IN MANY WAYS IS OBVIOUSLY THE LARGEST AND IN MANY WAYS, THE MOST DEVELOPABLE AREA OF ALL. UM, LOTS OF VACANT LOTS, LOTS OF, UH, PARKING LOTS THAT, AGAIN, DON'T SEEM TO BE UTILIZED VERY HEAVILY BY ANY OF THE BUSINESSES OR, OR RESIDENTIAL AREA RESIDENCES IN THAT AREA. AND AGAIN, A LACK OF AMENITIES, STREET TREES, YOU KNOW, MANY OF THE THINGS WE'D LIKE TO SEE IN, IN OUR BETTER NEIGHBORHOODS. NEXT, UH, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR A PAUSE REAL QUICK. I'D LIKE TO ASK THE PUBLIC, I UNDERSTAND THAT SOME OF YOU MIGHT BE HAVING REACTIONS POSITIVE OR OTHERWISE TO THE PRESENTATION. PLEASE KEEP THOSE [01:40:01] REACTIONS TO YOURSELF SO WE CAN HEAR THE PRESENTATION CLEARLY. AND ALSO SO THAT PEOPLE WATCHING AT HOME CAN HEAR THE PRESENTATION, CLEARLY, YOU DON'T WANT THEM HEARING YOUR SIDE CONVERSATION WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO LISTEN TO THE PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO I JUST CAN'T HEAR YOU CAN'T HEAR ME. I'M SORRY. UM, TILT. YEAH, SORRY ABOUT THAT. UM, APOLOGIES. SO I JUST WANTED TO END, UH, AS, UH, THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION STARTED ACTUALLY, WHICH IS TO JUST ALSO THINK ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S BEING TALKED ABOUT IN PETALUMA THESE DAYS. IN OTHER WORDS, THE GENERAL PLAN, UH, WHICH IS GONNA BE, UH, CONTINUING IN DISCUSSION OVER THE NEXT YEAR OR SO AND WILL ULTIMATELY RESULT IN A NEW PLAN FOR THE CITY. AND SO THERE ARE ELEMENTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN ARTICULATED AS PART OF THAT GENERAL PLAN, UH, THE VISIONING THAT'S BEEN GOING ON OVER THE LAST YEAR OR TWO. AND I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THOSE BECAUSE I THINK THESE ARE THINGS THAT IN THE OVERLAY WE ARE TRYING TO ADDRESS, UH, BECAUSE WE AGREE WITH THE PRIORITIES AND THE DISCUSSIONS THAT HAVE BEEN HELD ON THE GENERAL PLAN. SO, KEY, AS I SAID EARLIER, TO ALL OF US, IS PROMOTING AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND HOUSING FOR ALL TYPES OF UNITS AND, AND USERS, UH, A DIVERSITY OF HOUSING, UM, INFILL DEVELOPMENT WHERE YOU CAN, RATHER THAN SPRAWLING, RATHER THAN EXTENDING FURTHER OUT, WHICH REQUIRES FURTHER SERVICES, TRANSIT AND SO ON, LET'S TRY TO INFILL WHERE WE HAVE APPROPRIATE SITES IN OUR CITIES AND IN OUR TOWNS. ECONOMIC GROWTH, AS I MENTIONED, IS SO IMPORTANT TO COMMUNITIES TO ALLOW CITIES TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES AND THE AMENITIES AND SO ON FOR ITS CITIZENS THAT IT NEEDS TO PROVIDE, THAT THEY ALL NEED TO PROVIDE. AND TO AS, AS, UM, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A LOT ALREADY TONIGHT TO, UM, PRESERVE THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF DOWNTOWN PETALUMA. SOME OF THE IMAGES THAT ISABELLE SHOWS JUST INDICATES A LOT OF THINGS HAVE BEEN LOST UP TO THIS POINT. AND I THINK EVERYONE'S PRIORITIES, CERTAINLY, UM, FOR THE COMMISSION IS TO PRESERVE EVERYTHING THAT'S LEFT IN THE BEST POSSIBLE CONDITION, AND WITH ACTIVE VITAL AND SUCCESSFUL RETAIL AND OTHER USES IN THOSE BUILDINGS. UM, EXPANDING PEDESTRIAN AND BIKE ACCESS, UM, AS AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, HAVING A LOT OF CURB CUTS, PARKING LOTS AND SO ON, DO NOT TEND TO SUPPORT THOSE KINDS OF USES AND CAN IN FACT BE DANGEROUS. UM, SITUATIONS, PUBLIC GATHERING SPACES PROVIDING PUBLIC GATHERING SPACES, AGAIN, OPPORTUNITIES WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR THE CITY TO BE ABLE TO DO THESE THINGS OR TO GET THEM IN ASSOCIATION WITH PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT. AND FINALLY, TO PROMOTE A DIVERSE MIX OF USES. SO JUST IN CLOSING, I'D SAY IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN, UM, VERY NICE AS MIKE SAID, TO BE ABLE TO WORK AND UNDERSTAND THE CITY OF PETALUMA BETTER. I HONESTLY DO THINK THAT THIS OVERLAY, UH, WOULD RESULT IN POSITIVE CHANGE FOR THE CITY. UM, IT'S GONNA TAKE A LONG TIME. IT WILL. AND AS, AS GREG HAS INDICATED, THERE ARE AN AWFUL LOT OF PROTECTIONS BUILT INTO THE GUIDELINES AND THE, THE FINDINGS IN THE OVERLAY AND THE ZONING THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. SO WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU AND, AND JUST SAY HOW MUCH, UH, WHAT A PLEASURE IT'S BEEN TO BE WORKING WITH YOU AND WITH THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR. MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, EBY GIOVANNI WITH DK AND DEVELOPMENT GROUP. UH, I WANNA THANK EVERYONE, UH, THE STAFF AS WELL AS ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT HAVE SPENT, UH, ENDLESS HOURS MEETING WITH US, TALKING AND DISCUSSING THIS PROJECT FROM ITS INCEPTION. UM, UM, I THINK, UH, THE MOST IMPORTANT STATEMENT THAT I WANNA MAKE IS THAT WE'RE VERY PROUD OF WHERE THE PROJECT HAS LANDED AND THE DESIGN THAT WE HAVE FOR THIS PROJECT. UM, WE, UH, MADE A LOT OF CHANGES TO THIS PROJECT IS, UH, IF YOU FOLLOWED IT FROM THE ITS INCEPTION, UM, IT'S COME A LONG WAY. IT WAS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PROJECT, UH, WHEN IT WAS FIRST PROPOSED WALKABILITY, THE RESTAURANT ON THE FIRST FLOOR, UH, IT WAS BASICALLY A HOTEL, UH, PROPOSED TO BE PLOPPED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DOWNTOWN, UH, ON THE CORNER OF PETALUMA BOULEVARD. YOU WOULD'VE JUST WALKED IN THROUGH A PLAZA THAT WOULD'VE LED YOU TO A HOTEL REGISTRATION DESK. UH, WHAT WE DID IS WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ABSORBING THE CULTURE AND WALKABILITY OF DOWNTOWN PETALUMA AND HOW TO OVERCOME, UH, SHOEHORNING A HOTEL PROJECT INTO THE DOWNTOWN THAT DIDN'T REALLY FIT, DIDN'T REALLY WORK, DIDN'T EMBRACE THE STOREFRONTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY EXPERIENCED WHEN YOU WALK IN DOWNTOWN. AND ITS ARCHITECTURE. DIDN'T EMBRACE ANYTHING AT ALL CLOSE TO, UH, THE ECLECTIC ARCHITECTURE THAT, UH, IS CURRENTLY IN, IN DOWNTOWN [01:45:01] PETALUMA. UM, WE, UH, SPEND A LOT OF TIME LOOKING AT WHAT NEEDED TO BE, UH, DONE TO THE HOTEL FACADE, TO ITS STRUCTURE, UH, AND HOW IT INTEGRATED AND, UH, BECAME A, A HARMONIOUS, UH, STRUCTURE IN DOWNTOWN. THE DECISION BY EVERYONE, THE ARCHITECTS, MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, UH, UH, EVERYBODY THAT WE TALKED TO WAS NOT TO BUILD A REPLICA OF WHAT'S THERE TODAY. UH, THAT WOULD BE A GREAT MISTAKE. WE'RE NOT DESIGNING FOR THIS THIS YEAR. WE'RE NOT DESIGNING FOR 20 25, 20 35. WE'RE DESIGNING A HOTEL THAT, UH, HAS, UH, EMBRACES THE ARCHITECTURE THAT'S SUSTAINABLE AND IS THERE AND IS HERE TO BE A PART OF THE COMMUNITY FOR THE MANY YEARS TO COME. UH, I DON'T WANT TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME AND TAKE YOUR TIME GOING THROUGH THINGS THAT YOU'VE ALREADY READ. THERE'S VOLUMES OF DOCUMENTS THAT WERE CREATED. THERE WAS, UH, UH, UH, INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF DISCUSSIONS, UH, WITH HISTORIANS, UH, LOOKING AT ALL OF THE ASPECTS. AND IT WAS A BIG CHALLENGE BECAUSE, UH, CITY OF PETALUMA DOESN'T HAVE ONE VOCABULARY. IT DOESN'T HAVE ONE STATEMENT. UM, SO HOW DO YOU ACTUALLY AMALGAMATE AND BRING ALL OF THAT TOGETHER INTO A PROJECT THAT IS HERE TO MAINTAIN ITS POSITION, UH, MAINTAIN ITS SERIOUSNESS, AND AS WAS STATED, UH, IS IT, UH, APPROPRIATE AND PROPER GATEWAY, UH, TO PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY DRIVE INTO PETALUMA? SO IN OUR PLANS, WE'VE ACTUALLY DETAILED HOW WE CAN CREATE A MORE LIVABLE AND EQUITABLE PLACE IN DOWNTOWN, UH, BY PROMOTING WALKABILITY, ARCHITECTURAL HARMONY, UH, COMMUNITY HEALTH, REDUCING TRAFFIC, UH, FROM ITS EXISTING CURRENT ZONING, AND THEREFORE CARBON EMISSIONS, AS WELL AS INCREASED OPPORTUNITIES FOR HOUSING OBTAINABILITY THROUGH PROPER PLANNING, UH, WITHOUT THE DISTRICT PLAN. AND EXAMPLES OF THIS EXISTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. THERE'S CHAOS. YOU HAVE TO REVIEW EVERY SINGLE LOT THAT COMES BEFORE YOU, EVERY SINGLE BUILDING THAT'S VACANT, THAT THAT'S, UH, BEEN ABANDONED, HAS TO COME BEFORE YOU WITHOUT AN EXACT PLAN. SO WE WERE IN HARMONY WITH STAFF WHEN THEY RECOMMENDED THAT A DISTRICT PLAN BE PREPARED SO THAT OUR HOTEL, BUT ALSO FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IN PETALUMA CAN ACTUALLY FOLLOW AN ORDERLY MANNER IN WHICH A CUMULATIVE IMPACT CAN BE STUDIED, IS HOW DOES, HOW DO ALL THESE BUILDINGS AND LOTS THAT ARE DEVELOPED CAN BE, CAN BE HARMONIZED AS OPPOSED TO JUST ONE PROJECT AT A TIME. WE EMBRACE THE, UH, IDEA OF CREATING A DISTRICT, EVEN THOUGH IT WASN'T REALLY, UH, IN OUR ORIGINAL PLANS. IT WAS A, A LATE INTRODUCTION, UH, INTO THE DIRECTION, UH, ALONG WITH ALL OF THE OTHER, UM, UH, UH, CHANGES THAT WE MADE IN ORDER TO, UH, WORK WITH THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY. THE BIGGEST CHANGE WE MADE, THIS USED TO BE A BRANDED HOTEL. I WON'T NAME THE BRAND, AND THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY TOLD US WE NEEDED TO CHANGE THAT AND WE NEEDED TO BRING A LOCAL OPERATOR. WE NEEDED TO BRING A LOCAL BRAND. UH, YOU MAY NOT BE IN THE HOTEL BUSINESS, BUT THAT IS A HUGE UNDERTAKING THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HAVING A PROJECT AND NOT HAVING A PROJECT. WE WERE FAR ALONG, UH, WITH OUR, UH, PROCESSES TO ACTUALLY HAVE A, HAVE A BRAND. WE CHANGED MIDSTREAM TO BRING A BRAND TO PLEASE THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY. UH, I'M NOT SURE, UH, IF ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT WE'VE MET WITH PROBABLY IN THE OVER HUNDREDS, UH, ARE HERE TONIGHT. UH, UH, AND I'M NOT SURE, UH, THE TESTIMONY ABOUT THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR TONIGHT. HOWEVER, WE TAKE OUR PRESENCE IN PETALUMA. SERIOUSLY. WE EMBRACE EVERY PLACE THAT WE PUT A HOTEL IN AND WE MAINTAIN OUR PRESENCE, UH, IN THE COMMUNITY IN THE FUTURE. WE ALL HAVE TO BENEFIT FROM THAT. UH, AGAIN, WALKABILITY, LANDSCAPING, STREET MAINTENANCE, TRAFFIC CONGESTION, ALL OF THAT WILL IMPACT US, UH, GOING FORWARD. SO WE'RE NOT IGNORING THAT. WE'RE NOT, UM, TRYING TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT, UH, ONCE WE'RE APPROVED, WE MOVE FORWARD AND FORGET ABOUT THE TOWN. SO WE ARE HERE TO BE A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY. WE'RE HERE TO CONTRIBUTE ON A LONG-TERM BASIS. WE'RE PROUD OF THE PROJECT THAT WE'VE COME UP WITH AND DESIGNED WITH THE HELP OF ALL OF THE, UH, EXPERTS IN THE INDUSTRY AS WELL AS YOUR STAFF. AND I REALLY LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY FOR HELPING US GET TO THIS POINT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, I WANNA THANK EVERYBODY FROM THE APPLICANT TEAM FOR THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS TO THEIR PRESENTATION. UH, WE HAVE, SO THE NEXT PART OF THE AGENDA WOULD BE FOR US TO GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE ITEM, WHICH I'M SURE MANY OF YOU ARE EAGER TO GIVE. WE HAVE OVER 30 PUBLIC [01:50:01] COMMENTS. WE ARE NOT RESTRICTING TIME, SO IT'S GONNA BE THREE MINUTES A PIECE, LIKE USUAL. BUT AS YOU CAN IMAGINE WITH SOME QUICK MATH, THAT'S OVER 90 MINUTES. SO I'M GOING TO CALL FOR A FIVE MINUTE BREAK NOW SO THAT EVERYBODY CAN GET READY FOR THE NEXT PERIOD OF PUBLIC COMMENT. SO THANK YOU AND WE'LL BE BACK IN FIVE MINUTES. OKAY, EVERYBODY, WE ARE GONNA COME BACK TO THE MEETING. HELLO EVERYBODY. IT'S TIME TO GET THIS TRAIN GOING AGAIN. OKAY. THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR COMING BACK AND THANK YOU FOR BEARING WITH US ON THAT BRIEF BREAK. WE'RE GONNA MOVE INTO PUBLIC COMMENT. THERE'S A FEW, A FEW KIND OF ITEMS I WANNA ADDRESS RIGHT AS WE WENT INTO IT, IF ONLY BECAUSE SINCE THIS IS NOW OUR THIRD HEARING, WE'VE HAD A FEW ISSUES CO COME UP IN THE PAST THAT I'M HOPING WE CAN AVOID THIS TIME AROUND. FOR ONE, UH, PLEASE REMEMBER TO MAINTAIN DECORUM IN YOUR COMMENTS. UH, THE PEOPLE WHO DISAGREE WITH YOU ARE NOT YOUR ENEMY. THEY CARE ABOUT THE TOWN JUST AS MUCH AS YOU DO. UH, FOR THE PURPOSE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING, PUBLIC COMMENT IS PART OF THE FINDINGS THAT WE PUT TOGETHER TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. SO IF YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT IS FOCUSED ON WHY YOU SUPPORT, DON'T SUPPORT, OR THE QUESTIONS YOU HAVE, THAT'S HELPFUL FOR THE FINDINGS AND THE ULTIMATE OUTCOME OF THIS PROCESS, IF IT DEVOLVES INTO ATTACKING PEOPLE OR GETTING AGEIST IN EITHER DIRECTION, THINGS LIKE THAT, IT, IT KIND OF, OH, IT COMPLETELY DEVALUES THE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT YOU'RE GIVING. SO WE JUST WANTED TO ASK, CONSIDER THAT. UM, AND ALSO PLEASE REMEMBER, IT MAY BE HARD TO SEPARATE OUT THE HOTEL FROM THE OVERLAY. I, I UNDERSTAND THE APPLICANT'S LAST, UH, POINT IN THE PRESENTATION WAS HEAVILY FOCUSED ON THE HOTEL. WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TONIGHT IS IN FACT THE OVERLAY. THE DECISION WE MAKE TONIGHT WILL BE ABOUT RECOMMENDING WHETHER OR NOT THE OVERLAY MOVES FORWARD. THE HOTEL WILL COME AT A FUTURE SERIES OF MEETINGS. SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE, THESE TWO THINGS ARE THE SAME THING. SO WE'RE, WE'RE NOT CERTAINLY NOT GONNA CUT YOU OFF. BUT PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT FOR THE PURPOSES OF WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT, WE'RE ENTIRELY LOOKING AT THE AMENDMENTS RELATED TO ENACTING THE OVERLAY AND ALSO THE SQUA DOCUMENTS THAT COME WITH IT. WITH THAT IN MIND, WE WILL OPEN UP A PUBLIC COMMENT CHAIR. IF I MIGHT JUST ADD A QUICK, UH, QUESTION. HAVING VERY RECENTLY BEEN IN THIS POSITION, UM, OF, OF MAKING PUBLIC COMMENT, CAN YOU CONFIRM WHETHER THERE WILL BE ANY OPPORTUNITY FOR BACK AND FORTH OR QUESTIONS BETWEEN STAFF OR THE COMMISSION AND THE PUBLIC THERE? SO, GREAT QUESTION. THERE WILL NOT. SO THIS WILL BE TH WE HAVE OVER 30 PUB, WE HAVE OVER 30 PUBLIC COMMENT REQUEST CARDS. THAT'S EASILY 90 MINUTES, AND THAT ASSUMES THERE WON'T BE MORE CARDS THAT COME IN WHILE WE'RE TALKING. SO WE WILL BE TAKING YOUR COMMENTS EVEN IF THEY'RE QUESTIONS, WE'LL BE TAKING YOUR QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. THEN AFTER THAT, WE WILL DO AN OVERALL QUESTION PERIOD FOR COMMISSIONERS AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO THE STAFF AND THE APPLICANT TEAM REFLECTING ON THE PRESENTATION THAT WE HEARD PRIOR TO THAT. BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE BACK AND FORTH FROM, FROM THE DIOCESE TO THE PUBLIC. AND WITH THAT, WE WILL OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT AND I WILL GIVE THE STANDARD MESSAGE. THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO COMMENT ON THIS ITEM. PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON. IF YOU DO HAVEN'T DONE SO ALREADY, PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD AND BRING IT TO THE CLERK. I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF WE'VE RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THIS PRIOR TO THE MEETING. AND I KNOW WE HAVE IN FACT, BUT YES, UH, CHAIR, WE RECEIVED, UH, SEVERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS, ALL OF WHICH HAVE BEEN POSTED ONLINE ONTO THE CITY WEBSITE, AND THEY ARE AVAILABLE ON THE BACK, UH, FOR VIEWING. I ALSO WANNA MAKE A QUICK COMMENT FOR THOSE THAT WILL COME UP AND SPEAK, UM, IN THE PODIUM. THE TOP PART OF THE MICROPHONE CAN BE BENT FORWARD OR BACK, UH, TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR YOU TO SPEAK , SORRY, UH, THE TOP PART OF THE MICROPHONE CAN BE BENT FORWARD OR BACK TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR YOU TO SPEAK AND MAKE IT EASIER FOR OTHERS TO HEAR YOU. THANK YOU. [01:55:01] IF YOU'RE TALL, POINTED UP AT YOU, IF YOU'RE SHORT, BEND IT DOWN AND LET'S ALL REQUEST THAT THE CITY GETS NEW MICROPHONES SOMETIME SOON. AND WITH THAT, OUR FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE FROM LYDIA ESLAN, AND THAT'LL BE FOLLOWED BY TOM. I'M GONNA APOLOGIZE FOR MESSING UP NAMES AND NOT BEING ABLE TO READ HANDWRITING. UM, TOM BORAN MEYER. FIRST PERSON IS LYDIA. GOOD EVENING. LYDIA ASLAN HERE. UM, VICE MAYOR, UH, COMMISSIONERS COMMITTEE MEMBERS. UM, TONIGHT'S HEARING HAS TWO BOILS DOWN TO TWO VERY SERIOUS ASKS FOR YOU FOLKS. UM, FIRST, YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE THE OVERLAY. AND SECOND, YOUR ASSESSMENT THAT THE, UM, INITIAL SQUA ANALYSIS THAT'S BEEN DONE IS EITHER ADEQUATE OR INADEQUATE. AND I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THAT. SECOND THING, THE QUA ANALYSIS. UM, I GOTTA SAY THE, UM, THE SHEER AMOUNT OF MATERIAL BETWEEN, UM, THE 123 PAGE CE Q STUDY ITSELF AND ALL OF THE ADDEND, UH, THE TECHNICAL APPENDICES, THE 17 ATTACHMENTS TO TONIGHT'S MEETING, UM, THE, THE, THE SHEER VOLUME THAT YOU'VE GOTTA DIGEST TO MAKE THIS, TO MAKE THIS DECISION ABOUT THE, UH, THE, THE VALIDITY ADEQUATE OR INADEQUATE ON THE SEQUENCE STUDY IS, IS KIND OF OVERWHELMING. SO I I I WOULD ALSO URGE THAT IF YOU HAVE NOT READ LUBIN OLSON'S 10 PAGE ASSESSMENT, THEIR, THEIR COMMENTS ON THE I-S-M-N-D, UM, I, I URGE YOU TO READ THAT, UM, THESE FOLKS ARE LAND USE ATTORNEYS. AND DESPITE WHAT, UM, DESPITE WHAT WAS PUT UP ON THE SCREEN EARLIER TONIGHT ABOUT WHAT CQA IS AND WHAT CA ISN'T, UM, THE ISM AND D IS THE ISM AND D IS IN FACT REQUIRED TO EVALUATE THE WHOLE OF THE ACTION, UM, AND MUST TAKE INTO ACCOUNT BOTH DIRECT CHANGES AND REASONABLY FORESEEABLE, INDIRECT CHANGES TO THE ENVIRONMENT. ADDITIONALLY, ALL ANSWERS TO THE QUA CHECKLIST MUST TAKE ACCOUNT OF THE WHOLE ACTION INVOLVED, INCLUDING OFFSITE AS WELL, ASITE CUMULATIVE, AS WELL AS PROJECT LEVEL, INDIRECT, AS WELL AS DIRECT AND CONSTRUCTION AS WELL AS OPERATIONAL IMPACTS. THIS I-S-M-N-D SIMPLY DOES NOT ADDRESS CUMULATIVE IMPACTS, DOES NOT. UM, SO I URGE YOU TO READ LUBIN OLSON'S, UM, UH, LETTER TO SEE WHAT WHAT THEY DESCRIBE AS WHAT'S MISSING FROM THE CE QA ANALYSIS. SO NO CUMULATIVE IMPACT, UM, NO COMPREHENSIVE STUDIES ON TRAFFIC, PARKING, WATER USE, NOISE FLOODING, ANYTHING THAT, THAT, THAT SPEAKS TO THE OVERLAY. ALL OF THOSE STUDIES SPEAKS SO TO THE HOTEL BO BOTTOM LINE, THE CITY'S OVERALL APPROACH TO THE MND VIOLATES CE QA BECAUSE IT FAILS TO ANALYZE POTENTIAL AND CUMULATIVE CHANGES. SO I URGE YOU TO TAKE A DEEP BREATH HERE AND TAP THE BRAKES AND DEMAND AN EIR FOR THE OVERLAY TO DEFINE AND ADDRESS THESE, THESE THINGS. UM, THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE IS CERTAINLY GONNA BE PUT THROUGH AN EIR AND, UH, YOUR TIME'S UP. SORRY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, LYDIA. AND NOW WE HAVE TOM, AND AFTER TOM, WE WILL HAVE MOIRA SULLIVAN. HI, IT'S, UH, BOURNE HEMMER BY THE WAY. SO , I'M SO SORRY. UH, I'M TOM MOER AND I WAS HERE LAST PLANNING COMMISSION, AND I HAD QUESTIONS THEN ABOUT WHY THERE'S A NEED FOR THE OVERLAY. AND I STILL HAVE THOSE SAME QUESTIONS. CLEARLY, IT'S ONE APPLICANT, THERE'S NOT A, NOT A STREAM OF APPLICANTS WHO NEED SIX AND SEVEN STORY BUILDINGS. THERE'S ONLY ONE APPLICANT WHO'S WHO, WHO ACTUALLY JUST SAID TONIGHT THAT THEY DIDN'T ACTUALLY WANT, THEY DIDN'T EVEN PROPOSE THIS OVERLAY. SO IT WAS SORT OF CREATED FOR THEM. AND I THINK THAT'S A PROBLEM. SO YOU'RE CREATING SOMETHING FOR ONE APPLICANT. YOU'RE MAKING CHANGES TO THE GENERAL PLAN AND IT'S ALL REVOLVING AROUND ONE HOTEL. AND I JUST DON'T, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, UM, A LOT OF WORK THAT'S GONE INTO THIS, AND MY QUESTION IS REALLY IS THAT NECESSARY? IF, IF YOU HAD A WHOLE BUNCH OF GROUPS THAT CAME IN HERE AND SAID THAT WE WANNA BUILD SOMETHING, BUT WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T MAKE IT WORK WITHOUT HAVING SIX, SEVEN STORIES, THAT'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT'S GOING ON HERE. UM, SO I I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT. UM, AS PART OF THE FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS, THERE WAS SOME [02:00:01] NUMBERS IN THERE. UM, SO I HAVE AN ACCOUNTING, I HAVE A MASTER'S IN FINANCE. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THOSE NUMBERS. SO I MEAN, THERE'S THINGS IN HERE ABOUT $55 MILLION OVER AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME, 37 MILLION OVER THE NEXT 25 YEARS. I, I, I QUESTION THE VALIDITY OF THOSE NUMBERS AND I KNOW THE CITY COUNCIL'S PROBABLY DROOLING OVER POTENTIAL NEW REVENUES AND THAT KIND OF STUFF, BUT I JUST DON'T SEE THIS HAPPENING. UM, THERE'S A LOT OF TALK ABOUT MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT AND SO FORTH. LOOK AT LAVIA APARTMENTS, HOW'S THAT MIXED USE GOING RIGHT NOW? OH, THAT'S RIGHT. THEY'RE ALL EMPTY. SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT MORE THOUGHT TO, AND I, YOU KNOW, THE LAST SPEAKER SAID TAP THE BRAKES. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY HERE TO TAP THE BRAKES AND REALLY THINK ABOUT THIS BECAUSE YOU'RE GETTING A LOT OF COMMUNITY DISTRUST FROM THIS AND WE'RE REALLY WONDERING WHY YOU DECIDED TO DO THIS NOW. SO I THINK, UM, MAYBE TAKE, TAKE SOME TIME AND THINK ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU TOM. WE'RE GONNA HAVE MOIRA FOLLOWED BY LARRY JONAS. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING PLANNING COMMISSION. UM, I WANNA URGE YOU VERY STRONGLY NOT TO APPROVE THE SE A DOCUMENT THIS EVENING WITH WORSENING CLIMATE CHANGE MICROPHONE. CAN EVERYBODY HEAR ME OKAY? UM, I WANNA URGE YOU VERY STRONGLY THIS EVENING NOT TO APPROVE THIS SE A DOCUMENT WITH WORSENING CLIMATE CHANGE. AND IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT WE'RE A RIVER TOWN THAT FLOODS THAT OUR STORM WATER INFRASTRUCTURE CANNOT CURRENTLY HANDLE THE INCREASING STORMS THAT ALL CENSUS TRACKS IN, UH, PETALUMA ARE ADVERSELY IMPACTED BY TRAFFIC EMISSIONS PER THE RAMIAN ASSOCIATE CONSULTANTS, THERE IS ZERO QUESTION THAT YOU NEED AN EIR AND THAT AN MMD WOULD WOULD NOT ADDRESS THESE SIGNIFICANT ISSUES. UM, REGARDING THE M AND D AND THE EIR, I FREQUENTLY FIND THAT THEY'RE BOGUS. UH, ONE EXAMPLE IS A SCOTT RANCH WITH A SPECIAL STATUS SPECIES WHERE EVERYONE SAID THAT, UH, THERE WERE NO SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS. AND THEN OF COURSE, SAFEWAY, WHERE WE HAD A MEGA GAS STATION THAT WAS NEAR DISADVANTAGED CHILDREN. AND BECAUSE THESE ARE BEING MANAGED BY THE SAME CONSULTANTS, THE GRAT GROUP WHO DO OR PREPARE THE DEVELOPER STAFF REPORTS, UM, I JUST DON'T, I, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THIS, UH, IS FAIR. UM, YOU MENTIONED DIANA PAINTER. FOR ME, THAT'S NOT A CONFIDENCE BUILDER. SHE WORKS AS A CONSULTANT FOR THE CITY. SHE BACKED THE CHANGES TO THE BRAINERD JONES HOUSE IN THE A STREET HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHICH HAS NOW LOST ITS HISTORIC DESIGNATION. THAT'S UNACCEPTABLE. AND I'VE SEEN OVER AND OVER, UH, HER RUBBER STAMP WHAT THE CITY WANTS. IN YOUR SLIDE PRESENTATION, YOU SAID THAT TO EXCEED 45 FEET, IT WOULD, THE STRUCTURE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A POSITIVE CONTRIBUTION TO THE OVERALL CHARACTER OF THE AREA THAT THE BUILDING WOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH ITS SURROUNDINGS. I GIVE YOU THE EKN HOTEL AT OVER 60 FEET, QUOTE, YOU HA IT HAS TO DEMONSTRATE EXCEPTIONAL ARCHITECTURE AND DESIGN. SO AGAIN, THIS IS BEING V VIOLATED WITH THE EKN HOTEL, WHICH IS IN NON-CONFORMING AND INCONGRUENT WITH OUR HISTORIC ZONING. UM, IT'S A COUPLE OTHER POINTS THAT I WANNA MAKE. UM, BEFORE WE PICK ON THE SEVEN 11 FOR TOO MANY CURB CUTS, LET'S TALK ABOUT WASHINGTON STREET REGARDS THE APPROACH TO PETALUMA, BOTH ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH, YOU'VE ALLOWED FOR INCREDIBLY UGLY, INAPPROPRIATE HOTELS THAT ARE NOT ON OUR BRAND. AND THEN, WAIT A MINUTE, WE HAVE A RECYCLING CENTER TOO. I FORGOT ABOUT THAT. THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE RIVER HOUSE WITH AN INFORMATION, UH, CENTER. UM, AND, AND YOU'RE TRYING TO PUT AN ASPHALT PLANT THERE. SO LET'S JUST NOT START TALKING ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, SEVEN ELEVENS. UH, YOU TOUCHED ON TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, YET THE CITY HAS ALLOWED SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON, SORRY. UM, I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THAT TOM LEWIS IS HERE TO CONCEDE HIS TIME. I CAN SEE MY TIME. OKAY, PERFECT. I APOLOGIZE ABOUT THAT. SO YOU, YOU TOUCHED ON TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, BUT YOU'VE ALLOWED SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON THE, THE PENINSULA AND THE SCANNELL DEVELOPMENT IS CONSIDERING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WITHIN LESS THAN A HALF A MILE OF THE TRANSIT STATION. YOU'VE ALSO APPROVED DEVELOPMENTS LIKE DAVID IN THAT DON'T COMPORT WITH VMT. AND I BELIEVE WE PAID THE CONSULTANTS TO DO A SOPHISTICATED ANALYSIS ON THAT. SO LET'S NOT MAKE OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT TAKE THE HIT FOR ALL THE POOR CHOICES THAT YOU'VE MADE. THE CLAIM BY THE CITY IS THAT THE OVERLAY [02:05:01] STRENGTHENS HISTORIC PROTECTIONS. I WONDER HOW MANY FOLKS IN OUR CITY KNOW THAT WE ONLY MAINTAIN A LIST OF, OF OUR CURRENT HISTORIC STRUCTURES. PAIGE AND TURNBULL, WHO ARE THE EXPERTS, SAN FRANCISCO ARCHITECTURAL HISTORIANS WHO DID OUR HISTORIC INVENTORY, SAID THAT THERE ARE AS MANY AS ALMOST 300 STRUCTURES HERE THAT COULD QUALIFY FOR PROTECTION AND THE CITY'S NOT LOOKING AT THEM. AND MANY OF THEM ARE IN YOUR, YOUR SUB AREAS OF, OF A, B, AND C. SO I THINK THAT UNTIL YOU DO A SOPHISTICATED ANALYSIS OF THE VALUE OF THOSE THAT YOU SHOULD NOT BE TALKING ABOUT, UM, THE POSSIBILITY OF, OF UPZONING THEM OR DEMOLISHING THEM OR WHAT HAVE YOU. UM, FINALLY, THESE THREE SUB AREAS WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THE HOUSING ELEMENT THAT WAS JUST APPROVED BY THE STATE. I WORKED FOR THE STATE, UM, AND THE STATE WAS EXCEEDINGLY HAPPY WITH OUR HOUSING ELEMENT. IT WAS NOT LOOKING FOR MORE FROM US. SO IT ISN'T NEEDED AT THIS TIME. UM, FINALLY, I'VE NEVER SEEN IT WHERE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OR SPAR EVER STOPPED A PROJECT HERE. SO I DON'T WANT THE PUBLIC TO HAVE ANY FALSE SENSE THAT THEY'LL HAVE ANY SAY. ONCE YOU APPROVE THIS OVERLAY, UM, YOU'VE ROUTINELY VIOLATED THE GENERAL PLAN WITH THE ADOBE WINERY IN THE NORTH RIVER APARTMENTS AND LE FRANK'S EDITH DEVELOPMENT, WHICH ENCROACHED ON THE FLOODWAY. I DON'T THINK THE PUBLIC SHOULD THINK FOR TWO SECONDS THAT THIS WILL IMPACT DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THEY, SOMETHING REQUIRES A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. OR ONCE YOU HAVE YOUR, YOUR NOSE UNDER THE TENT, AS THEY SAY, THE CAMEL UNDER THE TENT WITH THIS OVERLAY, WE'RE SCREWED. UM, AND WHY IS IT THAT EVERY OTHER TOWN, UM, BUILDS ONE TO THREE STORY HOTELS? UH, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE, WE'RE DOING A, A PETALUMA VALLEY APPALACHIAN. WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE EMULATING HEALDSBURG, CALISTOGA, UH, SONOMA. UM, WHY ARE THEY ALL BUILDING ONE IN THREE STORY HOTELS AND STAYING ON BRAND? AND WHY ARE WE ECLIPSING OUR, UM, HISTORIC DISTRICT? WE SUNSET SAYS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE ONE OF FIVE CITIES IN THE WEST WITH ONE OF THE BEST MAIN STREETS. IF YOU'RE ALLOWING AN INCONGRUENT NON-CONFORMING HOTEL ON OUR MAIN STREET, JUST IMAGINE WHAT YOU'RE GONNA ALLOW IN THE THREE SUB AREAS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MOIRA. NEXT WE'LL HAVE LARRY JONAS FOLLOWED BY BARRY SITZ. OH, THIS, UM, THIS IS THE PROPOSED HOTEL. THIS IS THE THEATER DISTRICT AND THAT'S THOMAS E REX HARDWARE. JUST GET PUT IT IN PROPORTION AND SCALE. UM, I'VE LIVED IN PETALUMA NOW OVER 50 YEARS AND THE MANTRA WHEN WE FIRST MOVED UP HERE IS NOT TO CHANGE PETALUMA INTO SAN JOSE. AND THIS OVERLAY AND THE PROJECT THERE IS THE FIRST STEP INTO CHANGING PETALUMA TO SAN JOSE. UM, ONLY SANTA ROSA HAS TALLER BUILDINGS. EVERYBODY ELSE INCLUDING, UH, SONOMA HILLSBURG, NAPA ALL HAVE NO GREATER THAN FOUR STORIES. UH, I GO TO SONOMA ALL THE TIME AND IT'S NICE THAT THEIR SQUARE IS SHORTER BUILDINGS. UM, AND THIS IS PETALUMA'S HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHICH IS GET EXTRA ATTENTION. UH, THE HOTEL THAT IS, THAT IS, UM, PROPOSED IS SIX STORIES, BUT THE DRAG CREEK KITCHEN, WHICH IS ALSO A CHARITY, PALMER HOTEL IN HILLSBURG, IS ONLY THREE STORIES. SO IT IS POSSIBLE THAT WE DON'T NEED THE FULL 70 FEET. UM, ALSO THIS HOTEL IS FOR THE ELITE. IT'S $400 A NIGHT IS WHAT THEY PROPOSE THAT IT'S GONNA COST. UM, PARKING IS THE NEXT BIGGEST ISSUE. AND, UM, AS IT IS NOW, THEY'RE GONNA BE MAYBE UP TO 200 SPACES SHY BECAUSE OF, UH, THE, YOU GOT THE HOTEL, WHICH IS 93. YOU HAVE, UH, THE RESTAURANT, YOU HAVE THE OPEN SPACE, AND YOU HAVE THE BAR DOWNSTAIRS. SO IF YOU'RE PUTTING EVEN 150 EXTRA CARS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IS THAT FAIR TO EVERYBODY ELSE? NOW, THAT'S ONLY ONE BUILDING. SUPPOSING THE BANK, UH, NORTH BASE SAVINGS GOES AWAY AND YOU PUT ANOTHER 70, UH, FOOT BUILDING IN THERE, THAT'S ANOTHER MAYBE 150 PARKING SPACES. WHERE ARE ALL THESE PEOPLE GONNA PARK? A FRIEND OF MINE LIVES ON B STREET. THEY'RE GONNA PARK IN HIS FRONT YARD. AND, UH, ANOTHER THING IS THERE'S ONLY TWO HOUR PARKING LIMITS, RIGHT? AND MOST OF THAT AREA. SO THE CITY'S [02:10:01] PROBABLY GONNA MAKE MORE MONEY ON PARKING TICKETS THAN IT IS OFF THIS HOTEL. UM, BUT, UH, I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE CO TWO FOOTPRINT, CARBON DIOXIDE. AND I LIVE IN PETALUMA. I GO DOWN B STREET ALL THE TIME. AND YOU CAN'T GET ACROSS B STREET MOST OF THE TIME. AT LEAST TWO SIGNALS, MAYBE THREE OR FOUR. SO WHAT'S THE CARBON FOOTPRINT OF CARS LOOKING FOR? PARKING SPACES ALL OVER TOWN? BACKWARDS AND FORWARD, BACK AND FORTH AND LOOKING. AND A LOT OF PEOPLE, INCLUDING MYSELF, SOMETIMES PARKS IN THE GOLDEN EAGLE SHOPPING CENTER IN ORDER TO GO OVER TO SEAD OR CASINO PARADISIO. SO I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THIS HOTEL. I ONLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT BEING SO TALL. FOUR STORIES NOW NOBODY HAS COME UP AND SAID WE WANT A FOUR STORY HOTEL. SORRY. YOUR TIME'S UP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, LARRY. NOW WE WILL HEAR OFF, UH, BARRY SITZ, FOLLOWED BY RICHARD THORNTON. YEAH, THIS IS HARD TO USE. ESTEEMED COMMUNITY, ESTEEMED COMMUNITY MEMBERS, ESTEEMED MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEES HERE, GATHERED AND STAFF. I'M BARRY BAITZ. I ENDORSE THE RECOMMENDATION OF PETALUMA URBAN CHAT, WHO HAS PRESENTED YOU IN WRITING WITH A VERY THOUGHTFUL AND DELI WELL DELIBERATED RECOMMENDATION REGARDING THE OVERLAY. I'M ALSO, UM, STUDYING AT OUR WONDERFUL LOCAL COLLEGE. I'M TAKING A GREAT CLASS IN PHILOSOPHY, CRITICAL THINKING, AND I ALSO ENDORSE THE SKEPTICISM WITH WHICH WE MUST CONSIDER THE IMPORTANT QUESTIONS WE FACE. AND I WILL CONTINUE TO LISTEN TO THE MANY FRIENDS OF MINE WHO HAVE A DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW THAN I DO ABOUT THE OBJECT WE'RE DISCUSSING TONIGHT. WE'RE FACING CATACLYSMIC CHANGE. WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF IT. MORE OF IT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED THAN WE PROBABLY REALIZE. THE DEMANDS ON OUR CITY WILL PERSIST AND INCREASE. I SEE THE OVERLAY PROPOSAL AS A WAY TO TAKE BETTER CHARGE OF HOW WE CAN PROCEED IN THE FACE OF THE DEMANDS WE MUST MAKE. WE WILL MUST MEET IN ORDER TO FACE DIRE HOUSING NEEDS SEA LEVEL RISE, AND THE INCREDIBLE DEMAND TO TRANSFORM OUR TRANSPORTATION TO MEET 50% OR 75% TRANSFER TRA TRANSPORTATION MODE SHIFT BY 2025 AND 2030. THIS IS A VERY TALL ORDER. WE NEED TO USE THE BEST MEANS WE CAN TO THINK THIS THROUGH FAIRLY QUICKLY AND MAKE GOOD DECISIONS TOGETHER. AGAIN, I ENDORSE THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE PETALUMA URBAN CHAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, BARRY. NOW WE WILL HAVE RICHARD FOLLOWED BY JUDY HEEL. OKAY, I TAKE IT WE DON'T HAVE RICHARD HERE, SO WE'LL GO TO JUDY HEEL. OH, SHE, WOW. SHE HAS VERY SMALL HANDWRITING. YES, YOU MAY GO. THANK YOU. SO HELLO ALL ESTEEMED, UH, SORRY TO SAY COLLEAGUES, BUT I'M NOT COLLEAGUES OF YOURS. YOU'RE, YOU'RE MY FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS AND, UH, ESTEEMED COUNCIL MEMBER AND COMMISSION MEMBERS. I'M SORRY. WE NEED NEW ONES. ANYWAY, WHAT I WANTED TO SAY IS, AND FOR JUDY ALSO, YOU CITY COUNCIL AND COMMISSIONERS ARE PETALUMA RESIDENTS AND CITIZENS, JUST LIKE EVERYONE HERE IN THIS ROOM AND ALL OF THOSE WHO'VE ATTENDED PRIOR MEETINGS AND WHO HAVE WRITTEN THE LETTERS AND TO THE ARGUS COURIER AND TO ALL OF YOU. AND, UH, WHEREVER THEY'RE WRITING, UM, FACEBOOK, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD NETWORK, THE DIFFERENCE IS WE VOTED FOR YOU AND YOU REPRESENT US. AND NOW YOU'RE IN POSITIONS OF GREAT POWER. WHEN I THINK ABOUT HOW OUR TOWN PETALUMA CAN CHANGE IT'S IMMENSE POWER. I WONDER HOW IT IS [02:15:02] WHEN YOU AS COMMON CITIZENS, AS WE ARE, MAKE DECISIONS, AND WHEN AND HOW DO YOU LISTEN TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS? I'M HONESTLY NOT CLEAR ABOUT THIS POLITICAL PROCESS. I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. HOW DO ORDINARY CITIZENS MAKE AN IMPACT? WHAT PART DO OUR COMMENTS REALLY PLAY? I HEAR YOU SAY THAT YOU'VE READ THE LE THE LETTERS AND, AND THE COMMENTS, BUT WHAT PART DO THEY, I MEAN, I'M SERIOUS. WHAT, HOW MUCH OF AN IMPACT? IS IT 20%? IS IT 5%? I MEAN, WHO, WHO HAS MORE POWER TO, UH, INFLUENCE YOUR DECISION MAKING? I'M SPEAKING TONIGHT, BUT NOW WHAT? SO WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THIS BY THE FIRST PUBLIC NOTICE THAT WE RECEIVED IN OUR HOME IN JUNE WAS CALLED THE EKN APPALACHIAN HOTEL WEAVER PROJECT AND DA DA. BUT BY JLU, UH, JULY, IT HAD CHANGED TO DOWNTOWN HOUSING AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY OVERLAY, INCREASED INTENSITY, TRAFFIC, PARKING, ALL OF THAT. I'M AFRAID THAT THE THREE DESIGNATED OPPORTUNITY SITES IS A EUPHEMISM AND A MARKETING PLOY. I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY DETAILS ABOUT HOUSING. NO DETAILS. I KEEP, I KEEP HEARING THE WORD HOUSING AND I KEEP HEARING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT ALL I REALLY HEAR DETAILS ABOUT IS A HOTEL. IT'S A HIGH-END LUXURY HOTEL CATERING TO THE VERY WEALTHY WHO ALREADY COME HERE BECAUSE THEY LIKE IT HERE. AND THERE'S GONNA BE SUPPOSEDLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITHIN A FEW BLOCKS OF THIS LUXURY HOTEL. WITH ALL OF THE PRICES THAT GO, THE PROBLEMS THAT GO ALONG WITH IT, THE INCREASED PARKING FOR THE RESTAURANTS AND THE GUESTS, HOUSING FOR THE LOW WAGE WORKERS, THOSE HUNDREDS OF JOBS YOU SAY THIS IS GONNA CREATE. WHERE ARE THEY GONNA PARK? WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO EAT? WHERE ARE THEY GONNA LIVE? AND PARKING, YOU SAY THE OVERFLOW PARKING WILL BE VALET PARKING TO PUBLIC GARAGES, WHICH CURRENT BUSINESSES NEED FOR THEIR CURRENT CUSTOMERS AND NEW CUSTOMERS. I CARE ABOUT THEM. THESE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS ARE MY FRIENDS. I READ IN THE PAPER THAT THE COUNCIL SAYS, WE'RE WOUND UP OVER SOCIAL MEDIA BECAUSE OF POTENTIAL NEW HEIGHT ALLOCATIONS. AS IF WE'RE NOT INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE TOP FLOOR SETBACK IS STILL TAKING UP THE SAME 100% LOT USAGE, BLOCKING ALL VIEWS AROUND PETALUMA AND CASTING HUGE SHADOWS. THE LIGHT AND THE AIR WILL BE IMPACTED. DON'T TELL US IT WON'T. AND THEN SPEAKING OF EYES, WHICH I HAVEN'T MENTIONED YET, UM, WE CAN SEE WITH OUR OWN EYES THAT THIS NEW BUILDING IS NOT THE SAME AS THE PETALUMA HOTEL. AND SPEAKING OF EYES, YOU REFUSED TO APPROVE A STORY POLL. WHAT WAS THAT ABOUT? IT'S ONE OF THE MOST COMMON TOOLS USED IN THE BUILDING INDUSTRY. SO I GUESS I WANNA KNOW, WHO DO YOU SERVE? WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO BE HEARD BY THIS ILLUSTRIOUS GROUP? I ADMIRE ALL OF YOU, AND YOU'VE BEEN WORKING SO HARD. SOME OF YOU ARE FRIENDS OF MINE. YOU'VE BEEN IN MY HOME, I'VE BEEN IN YOUR HOME. I HONOR THE WORK THAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING. I'M SO GRIEVED THAT NOT ONLY IS OUR COUNTRY DIVIDED, OUR WORLD DIVIDED, BUT EVEN MY OWN LITTLE PIECE OF PARADISE HERE IN PETALUMA IS SO DIVIDED. AND I'VE LOST TRUST IN MY ELECTED OFFICIALS RIGHT HERE IN MY OWN TOWN. EVERYBODY KNOWS EVERYBODY PERSONALLY. WE'RE A STALL. WE'RE STILL A SMALL TOWN. WE'RE NOT SAN JOSE. PEOPLE COME HERE BECAUSE THEY LIKE IT. IT DOESN'T MEAN NO GROWTH. BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF CONSIDERATIONS TO MAKE BEFORE THIS PROJECT GOES FORWARD. PLEASE SLOW DOWN. PLEASE LISTEN TO SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE MANY TIMES IN THIS ROOM AND IN LETTERS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT WE WILL HEAR FROM BEN PETERS, FOLLOWED BY, UH, LINDA LIPS. STEPHANIE, OH, THAT WAS YOU. [02:20:01] THANK YOU VERY MUCH, LINDA. UH, FOLLOWED BY ROGERS. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. BEN PETERS. UH, FIRST I'D LIKE TO START OFF WITH A LITTLE STORY. SO, UM, MY YOUNGER SISTER, SARAH PETERS, SHE WAS THE FIRST FEMALE SOCCER PLAYER, UH, EXCUSE ME, FIRST FEMALE FOOTBALL PLAYER AT PETALUMA HIGH. SO, UH, YOU KNOW, BROKE A GLASS CEILING THERE. SHE GOT MARRIED. UH, SHE DOESN'T LIVE HERE. SHE LIVES IN SAN FRANCISCO. BUT SHE LOVES PETALUMA, LOVES OUR HISTORIC DOWNTOWN. WANNA GET MARRIED, WAS ABLE TO RESERVE ONE OF THE LAST REMAINING BLOCKS OF ROOMS AT THE PETALUMA HOTEL. THAT PLACE IS ALWAYS SOLD OUT. UNFORTUNATELY, THE WEEK BEFORE HER WEDDING, THE AIR CONDITIONING WENT OUT AT THE OLD PETALUMA HOTEL. AND THE WEDDING PARTY, FORTUNATELY, WAS ABLE TO GO TO THE NEW HOME, TWO SUITES. AND SOME OF THEM HAD NICE ACCOMMODATIONS, AND IT WAS FINE. MANY OF THEM DROVE THEIR CARS TO DOWNTOWN AND COULDN'T FIND PARKING. AND THE POINT OF THE STORY IS, THE VERY LAST PART IS THAT, UH, MY COUSINS, THEY DECIDED TO WALK FROM THE HOME TWO SUITES TO DOWNTOWN. AND WHEN THEY GOT TO THE WEDDING PARTY, THEY ASKED ME, HEY, WE WENT OVER THAT CORONA BRIDGE AND SAW THAT WHITE BIKE. CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT THAT? THIS IS DEADLY SERIOUS BUSINESS PEOPLE. OKAY? WALK OUT OF TOWN. GUESS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH HOTELS TO SUPPORT THE YOUNG PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO GET MARRIED AND START FAMILIES. THEY HAVE TO WALK FROM THE HOME, TWO STREETS HOME, TWO SUITES ACROSS A DANGEROUS BRIDGE JUST TO GET HERE. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT GONNA SWAY ANYONE THAT OWNS THEIR HOUSE AND IS SUPPORTED BY PROPOSITION 13. I, MYSELF, AM TRYING TO BUY A HOUSE AND CAN'T FIND ANY BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF BUILDING THAT'S HAPPENED OVER THE COURSE OF OUR HISTORY. I KNOW THE HEIGHT IS A BIG SCARY TOPIC FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE. SO LET'S DO A LITTLE THOUGHT EXPERIMENT. IMAGINE YOU'RE STANDING AT HENRY PARK LOOKING OUT OF OUR BEAUTIFUL HISTORIC DOWNTOWN. WHAT IS THE TALLEST THING THAT YOU SEE? IT'S THE PG AND E TRANSMISSION TOWERS, PG AND E DOMINATES OUR SKYLINE. IF YOU DID NOT HAVE THAT CONCEPT IN YOUR MIND, MAYBE IT'S TIME TO TAKE A BREATH AND THINK ABOUT WHAT THE VIEW SHED OF OUR HISTORIC DOWNTOWN IS. AND I ENCOURAGE YOU TO WALK TO HENRY PARK AND GO CHECK OUT THOSE TRANSMISSION TOWERS, BECAUSE THAT BEAUTIFUL VIEW SHED IS NOW RUINED BY PG E'S UGLY WIRES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NOW WE'LL HAVE CHANTEL ROGERS FOLLOWED BY, I BELIEVE THIS IS CHRIS KRISTEN JOHNSON. I AM HERE TONIGHT TO HELP YOU UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'RE GETTING SUCH INCREDIBLE PUSHBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THE APPALACHIAN HOTEL AND ASSOCIATED OVERLAY. IT FEELS LIKE THIS EFFORT IS PROCEEDING AS A FOREGONE CONCLUSION WITH NO TRUE UNDERSTANDING OR CONSIDERATION OF CITIZEN CONCERNS. IT FEELS LIKE THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT HOTEL AND MAJORITY OF CITY LEADERSHIP CAME TOGETHER TO CREATE NOT ONLY AN AVENUE FOR THE APPALACHIAN HOTEL TO BE APPROVED, BUT TO CREATE THEIR PREFERRED ZONING FOR DOWNTOWN. WHILE THEY WERE AT IT, IT FEELS LIKE THE PARTIES INVOLVED THEIR CHECKING BOXES TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. WITH NO REAL INTEREST IN WHAT THE PETALUMA CITIZEN RETHINKS. THE APPALACHIAN HOTEL IS AN ENTICEMENT FINANCIALLY THAT THE CITY CAN'T SEEM TO RESIST AND IT'S WILLING TO APPROVE AND AN OVERLAY WHICH, WHICH WILL OPEN SO MANY UNKNOWNS AND LIMIT OUR ABILITY TO GUIDE BUILDING DOWNTOWN IN THE FUTURE. THE HOTEL IN THE OVERLAY COULD BE APPROVED, AND YET THE HOTEL NEVER BE BUILT FOR A MYRIAD OF REASONS. THE HOTEL COULD BE BUILT AND SOLD TWO YEARS LATER, AND THE NEW OWNERS CHANGE ITS LAYOUT OR USAGE. THE MAYOR SAYS PETALUMA IS A TOWN WITH A REPUTATION OF NEVER GETTING ANYTHING APPROVED, AND YET THERE ARE A DOZEN MAJOR PROJECTS APPROVED OR CONSIDERED, INCLUDING HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF NEW RESIDENCES. THE RUBBER, THE RIVERFRONT AREA, HAS MULTIPLE NEW PROJECTS IN THE WORKS. THERE WILL BE A HUGE DEVELOPMENT OVER BY THE NEW TRAIN STATION APARTMENTS ON CASA GRANDE NEAR THE PETALUMA BOULEVARD, ROUNDABOUT TWO APARTMENT BUILDINGS AT OAK STREET. AND THE LIST GOES ON AND ON, INCLUDING WHAT WILL NO DOUBT BE A HUGE DEVELOPMENT EVENTUALLY ON THE LAND NEXT TO THE WE, THE [02:25:01] WEST SIDE TRAIN STATION. AND YET WE ARE TOLD THAT DOWNTOWN HIGHER RISE HOUSING IS ESSENTIAL TO OUR SURVIVAL. THE OVERLAY WOULD PROFOUNDLY CHANGE THE FUTURE AND CHARACTER OF OUR BELOVED HISTORIC DOWNTOWN. AND ITS NATURAL THAT THE MAJORITY OF PETALUMA CITIZENS ARE ALARMED BY THE POTENTIAL TRANSFORMATION OF A HISTORIC DOWNTOWN THAT WE ALL LOVE, AND THAT IS ITS OWN CASH COW IN TERMS OF DRAWING TOURISTS VITAL TO OUR FINANCIAL WELLBEING. IT FEELS LIKE OUR CONCERNS AND FEEDBACK ARE BEING MINIMIZED AND DISMISSED. IT FEELS LIKE THE CITY CONSIDERS THIS A DONE DEAL, PUBLIC FEEDBACK, A MERE NUISANCE TO ATTAIN THE GOAL. SOME BELIEVE THAT WE WILL ALL GO AWAY ONCE THE INABILITY OF THIS PASSING SINKS IN. THAT'S NOT WHAT I SEE. I SEE THE COMMUNITY USING ALL OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO BE HEARD. I IMPLORE YOU TO SLOW DOWN THIS TRAIN. LET'S PLAN THE FUTURE OF OUR LOVELY DOWNTOWN. CAREFULLY AND THOUGHTFULLY. LET'S WORK WITH EXISTING BUSINESSES TO OVERCOME OBSTACLES TO THEIR REOPENING INSTEAD OF HASTENING. SO-CALLED BLIGHT. IN AN EFFORT TO COMPEL LANDOWNERS TO SELL TO DEVELOPERS WITH HIGHER BUILDINGS IN MIND. LET'S ANTICIPATE WHAT THESE CHANGES MIGHT TRULY MEAN AND CONSIDER THE RAMIFICATIONS MORE DEEPLY. LET'S DO WHAT IS TRULY BEST FOR PETALUMA'S FUTURE, AND LET'S DO IT TOGETHER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, NEXT WE'LL HAVE KRISTEN JOHNSON, FOLLOWED BY SUSAN CLARK. YOU CAN COME UP NOW. YEAH, APOLOGIES. OKAY. IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND JUST STATING YOUR NAME AT THE START. OF COURSE. UM, MY NAME IS ERIC CHER. THANK YOU FOR LETTING US SPEAK, AND THANKS FOR GIVING US ALL THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE OUR IDEAS HERE SO WE CAN MAKE SOME DECISIONS TOGETHER. UM, INITIALLY I WASN'T GONNA TALK A LITTLE AT ALL ABOUT MYSELF, UM, BUT AFTER HAVING THE DEVELOPER COME UP OVER HERE AND START TALKING ABOUT WHAT MAKES PETALUMA GREAT, OR WHAT WE NEED TO MAKE PETALUMA GREAT FOR, I REALLY FELT THAT I FELT COMPELLED TO SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MY STORY AS I LEAD INTO THIS. UM, UH, I'M A PEDIATRIC ER PHYSICIAN AND I DO WORK AT PETALUMA VALLEY HOSPITAL ON A MORE VOLUNTEER BASIS WHEN THEY NEED HELP FOR CHILDREN IN THE ER OR IN LABOR AND DELIVERY. UM, I'VE RAN 13 BENEFIT CONCERTS IN THE CITY OF PETALUMA, UM, FOR THE POLY CLASS FOUNDATION, UM, FOR WORK WE DO ABROAD, UM, FOR ALL KINDS OF PROGRAMS. AND I'M VERY ENMESHED IN THE CULTURE AND THE, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE OF THIS TOWN. AND IT MEANS A LOT TO ME. UM, IT'S HARD FOR ME WHEN I HAVE PEOPLE COME UP HERE AND START SHARING WHAT WE NEED TO MAKE PETALUMA GREAT WHEN THEY COME FROM OUTSIDE AND START SHARING ABOUT ANY SOCIETY OR ANY TYPE OF COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE IN. AND, UM, I, I JUST NEEDED TO SHARE THAT IT REALLY MAKES A DIFFERENCE TO ME TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS COMMUNITY WORKS TOGETHER AND MAKES A BETTER COMMUNITY, ALLOWS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UM, HAS A COMPASSIONATE, UM, UM, UM, COLLABORATION TOGETHER. I'M PART OF COOL PETALUMA, WHICH I'M SO PROUD OF AS WELL IN OUR COMMUNITY. UM, AT THE INITIATION OF THIS, UM, MEETING, THE CHAIR STATED THAT THIS WAS NOT ABOUT THE HOTEL PROJECT. UM, BUT THEN THE FIRST SLIDE THAT WENT UP WHEN THE STAFF STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS MEANT JUST MENTIONED ABOUT THE APPLICATION FROM THE HOTEL, THAT THAT'S WHAT STARTED THIS WHOLE OVERLAY DISCUSSION. AND SO QUITE EVIDENTLY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ABOUT THE HOTEL AND THIS IS WHAT INITIATED IT, YOU KNOW, IN MEDICINE, AND I SHARED THIS WHEN WE TALKED TO THE HISTORICAL, UM, UM, UM, COMMISSION. UM, IN MEDICINE WHEN WE MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON ONE INDIVIDUAL CASE, UM, WE CALL THAT ANECDOTAL MEDICINE. WE'D NEVER REALLY MAKE PROTOCOLS AND POLICIES BASED ON, UM, ONE INITIAL CASE THAT IS PRESENTING TO US. OTHERWISE, WE MAKE DECISIONS THAT REALLY DON'T BENEFIT SOCIETY AS A WHOLE. AND SO I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE NOTICE THAT THIS WHOLE OVERLAY DISCUSSION REALLY IS BASED ON AN APPLICATION FROM ONE HOTEL THAT DECIDES THAT THEY WANT TO COME INTO THE COMMUNITY. AND YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S SOMETIMES A GREAT IDEA. THERE MAY BE SOME REALLY BENEFITS TO IT, BUT WE SHOULDN'T FOOL OURSELVES TO SAY THAT THIS IS THE REASON WHY WE SHOULD CHANGE OUR FULL, YOU KNOW, OVERLAY OR GENERAL PLAN TO MAKE THIS WORK IF IT DOES NOT REALLY MEET TO OUR REALLY SIGNIFICANT, UM, COLLABORATIVE, UM, COMMUNITY EFFORTS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE. UM, SO JUST REALLY FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I JUST FEEL VERY STRONGLY THAT, THAT WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, COME UP WITH A PROCESS AND A POLICY AND PROTOCOL THAT MAKES SENSE. A HOTEL MAY MAKE A LOT OF SENSE THERE. I THINK, UH, I LIVE JUST A FEW BLOCKS FROM THERE, AND I [02:30:01] THINK IT WOULD BE ACTUALLY TERRIFIC TO HAVE THAT. BUT I THINK THAT TRULY TO MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON OUR FULL, UM, PROCESSES ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND HAVE IN OUR COMMUNITY SHOULD BE BASED ON MORE THAN JUST ONE ELEMENT OF, OF, OF A, OF A PROPOSAL THAT IS THERE. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THIS HOTEL DOES. SO I JUST HOPE THAT AS MANY PEOPLE HAVE SO ELOQUENTLY SPOKEN ABOUT, THAT WE REALLY TRY TO DO THE BEST WE CAN TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS BASED ON, ON, ON A MORE, UM, BROAD SCALE RATHER THAN JUST ON THIS HOTEL. SO, UM, I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, SUSAN CLARK STILL OUT HERE. OKAY. UH, WE WILL NOW GO TO CALLEN WEEKS, FOLLOWED BY KATHY MYERS. IT'S ACTUALLY A LITTLE TOO SHORT. OH, DEAR GOD. OH, I'M DEFINITELY GONNA BREAK THIS. UH, . GOOD EVENING. UH, VICE MAYOR CATER THOMPSON, CHAIR HOOPER, UH, CHAIR REINHART, MEMBERS OF PLANNING COMMISSION HCPC AND STAFF. MY NAME IS CALLUM WEEKS AND I'M THE POLICY DIRECTOR WITH GENERATION HOUSING. TODAY WE STAND IN FIRM SUPPORT OF THE DOWNTOWN HOUSING AND ECONOMIC OVERLAY, A PIVOTAL STEP TOWARDS PETALUMA'S SUSTAINABLE FUTURE. THIS INITIATIVE, NOT, IT'S NOT JUST A PLAN, BUT, BUT A VISION AND ACTION EMBODYING OUR COMMITMENT TO A THRIVING AND RESILIENT COMMUNITY. HIGHER DENSITY IN OUR DOWNTOWN AREAS IS A CATALYST FOR ECONOMIC GROWTH. UH, AS EVIDENT FROM ROBUST DATA, IT'S EXPANDS THE CUSTOMER BASE FOR LOCAL BUSINESSES. AND BOLSTERS TAX REVENUES CRUCIAL FOR FUNDING VITAL MUNICIPAL SERVICES AND PROJECTS. THERE. OVERLAY ISN'T JUST A GROWTH STRATEGY, IT'S A COMMITMENT TO OUR COMMUNITY'S PROSPERITY AND WELLBEING. BY PLACING HOUSING ALONGSIDE BUSINESSES IN TRANSIT ORIENTED ZONES, WE ACHIEVE MORE THAN CONVENIENCE. WE FOSTER SUSTAINABILITY. THIS APPROACH SIGNIFICANTLY CUTS DOWN ON COMMUTE TIMES AND EMISSIONS ALIGNING WITH OUR COLLECTIVE PLEDGE TO PROTECT OUR CHERISH TO AGRICULTURAL LANDS AND OPEN SPACES. THE OVERLAY OFFERS TANGIBLE FINANCIAL GAINS FOR PETA AS WELL. AND EVEN THOUGH IT'S GONNA TURN GROWTH AND DIRECT BENEFITS FOR THE CITY, THE ADDITIONAL REVENUE FROM PROPERTY SALES AND TOT TAXES IN THE OVERLAY AREA CAN BE STRATEGICALLY INVESTED IN WIDELY SUPPORTED SERVICES AND ESSENTIAL IMPROVEMENTS. IMAGINE WHAT WE CAN ACHIEVE. UH, 25% OF THIS REVENUE COULD SUPPORT DEED RESTRICTED AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR THOSE 120% OR BELOW THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME. UH, ANOTHER 10 COULD BE DEDICATED TO PRESERVING AND ENHANCING OUR HISTORIC DOWNTOWN AND A FURTHER 10% TO UPGRADING AND MAINTAINING OUR PARKS. UH, THE OPTIONS ARE LIMITED. YOU COULD FLIP THAT AROUND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CHOICE IS YOURS REALLY, AT THE END OF THE DAY. AND REALLY, WHAT I REALLY WANNA IMPRESS UPON YOU IS THIS OVERLAY ENJOYS SUPPORT FROM ENVIRONMENTALISTS, BUSINESS OWNERS AND, AND HOUSING ADVOCATES. LIKE, UH, WE ALL AGREE THE FUTURE DEMANDS HIGHER DENSITY, VERTICAL LIVING. IT'S ABOUT MAKING STRATEGIC CHOICES, UH, NOW FOR A THRIVING AND SUSTAINABLE FUTURE. OUR ALLIANCE WITH GREENBELT ALLIANCE, UH, , KINDA A LITTLE PLAY ON THERE, UH, AS OUTLINED IN OUR JOINT LETTER, UH, HIGHLIGHTS, UH, OUR UNITED COMMITMENT TO THIS CAUSE. SO WITH THAT, I'D JUST REALLY LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND SERVICE. I KNOW THIS IS A REALLY TOUGH DECISION. THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF EMOTIONS INVESTED IN THIS. UM, AND I REALLY JUST EARNESTLY HOPE YOU'LL CONSIDER THIS VISION AND YOUR DELIBERATIONS TONIGHT. AND, UH, REALLY LET'S, LET'S BUILD A FUTURE WHERE EVERYONE IN PETALUMA HAS A PLACE TO CALL HOME, UH, IN A COMMUNITY THAT'S EQUITABLE, HEALTHY, AND RESILIENT. SO AGAIN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. HAVE A WONDERFUL EVENING. THANK YOU, CAL. NEXT WE'RE GONNA GO WITH KATHY MEYERS, FOLLOWED BY ERIC LELAND. OKAY. I BROUGHT A HOMEMADE SCALE MODEL BECAUSE SO FAR NONE HAS BEEN REQUIRED OR PROVIDED. I WOULD, UH, REQUEST THAT EKN AT, AT THIS POINT, SINCE THERE'S SOME PEOPLE HERE THAT THEY HAVE A, UH, MAKE SCALE MODELS OF THAT SHOW WHAT THE OVERLAY WILL LOOK LIKE, BUILT OUT TO WHAT IS POSSIBLE FOR THEM. FOR INSTANCE, 70 FEET OR SO. SO ON YOUR LEFT, OH, HERE, MY RIGHT, YOUR LEFT ON YOUR LEFT IS A POTENTIAL LOOK AND SCALE OF A WELL-DESIGNED FOUR STORY STRUCTURE THAT'S 45 FEET AND APPROPRIATE TO ITS LOCATION IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND THE TWO BLOCKS BELOW THAT DOWN TO D STREET BUILT OUT. UM, UH, THIS IS [02:35:01] HOW IT IS NOW ON THIS SIDE. YOUR RIGHT ARE THE SAME BLOCKS BUILT OUT TO THE MAXIMUM 70 FEET SLASH OFFICE SLASH APARTMENTS SLASH RETAIL. THAT COULD BE THAT HEIGHT AND INCLUDING A PARKING STRUCTURE. UM, IT REPRESENTS THE CONSEQUENCES, CUMULATIVE OF ACOM ACCOMMODATING A SINGLE PROJECT AND ADDING, PIGGYBACKING AN OVERLAY WITH THIS. THIS IS A PROJECT. THESE TWO GO TOGETHER, A GLARING IMPACT. THIS REPRESENTS ON THE CULTURE AND ENVIRONMENT OF PETALUMA. A PLANNER DAN ZACK ON, WHO WORKED ON THE FRESNO RENEWAL PROJECT. HE WISHES THAT HE COULD UNDO THE DESTRUCTION OF AREAS LIKE THIS, LIKE THE WAY IT IS NOW. UM, IN HIS TOWN AREAS, HE CALLED THE CONNECTIVE TISSUE, THE FABRIC OF EVERY DAY LOW RISE ENTRY INTO TOWN. HE HAD TO DEAL WITH SQUARE MILES, NOT SQUARE FEET LIKE WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE. TO THAT END, HE SAID, OUR DOWNTOWN IS SUCH A GEM. HE SUGGESTED THAT ANY PLANNING OR FACELIFTS THAT HAPPEN WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OR ADJACENT BE DONE WITH A SCALPEL. THAT WAS THE TERM HE USED. UM, THE PROPOSED CHANGES FEEL MORE LIKE DOING A FACELIFT WITH A CHAINSAW. IT'S TOO GLOBAL, IT'S TOO BIG. I RESENT THE IMPLICATION. THE FIRST STEP OF THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN TO DENIGRATE THIS AREA. THESE, UH, BUSINESSES. SOME OF THEM ARE IN TRANSITION. THEY USE PARKING LOTS. THEY CALL IT BLIGHT, INCLUDING THE PARKING LOT OF THE PHOENIX. THEY SAID, IT'S, IT'S THIS, THIS HAS GOTTA GO. UM, THE TOOLS THAT YOU HAVE TIME'S UP. I APOLOGIZE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NOW WE'LL HEAR FROM ERIC LELAND, FOLLOWED BY NICOLA. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. CAN YOU HEAR ME? OKAY. AWESOME. UM, I'VE BEEN WANTING TO SAY I'VE BEEN SEEING THESE, UH, THREE D MODELS AND I THINK THEY'RE AWESOME. I JUST LOVE, I'VE BEEN IN A COUPLE OF ZONING CONVERSATIONS IN, UH, OTHER TOWNS I'VE LIVED IN, AND THERE'S BEEN LIKE A COUPLE PEOPLE THAT BOTHERED TO SPEAK UP BECAUSE IT'S LIKE COMPLICATED AND WEIRD. AND THEN WE HAVE THIS ONE AND THERE'S LIKE TONS OF PEOPLE IN THE ROOM, AND THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SAID THAT I DON'T AGREE WITH, BUT I'VE LEARNED A TON FROM IT, INCLUDING THOSE MODELS. SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT. SO SUPER AWESOME. UM, I WANNA LIVE IN AN INCLUSIVE COMMUNITY THAT GROWS SUSTAINABLY. UM, YOU KNOW, HISTORIC ZONING HAS BEEN USED TO EXCLUDE SOME POPULATIONS FROM ACCESSING WEALTH AND AMENITIES IN TOWNS. UH, AND IT'S USED TO RESERVE THESE FOR MORE PRIVILEGED POPULATIONS. YOU KNOW, EXAMPLES INCLUDE PROHIBITIONS ON MULTIFAMILY DWELLINGS ENFORCED MINIMUM LOT SIZES AND MINIMUM BUILDING HEIGHTS. EXCLUSIONARY ZONING IS A HISTORICAL LEGACY THAT PLAYS A BIG ROLE IN PERPETUATING ONGOING DISCRIMINATION. TODAY, IT'S BEEN A TON TO READ. UM, I'VE BEEN READING THE, UH, AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION'S, UH, GUIDE ON, UH, ZONING AND EQUITY. AND THAT'S BEEN LIKE REALLY HELPFUL TO ME AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER STUFF, INCLUDING ALL THE STUFF IN THE PACKET. UH, A A MORE RECENT ADDITION WAS A STRATEGIC ECONOMIC MEMORANDUM. UH, YOU KNOW, IT INDICATES THAT QUOTE, DOWNTOWN OVERLAY WILL PROVIDE GREATER LONG-TERM FLEXIBILITY FOR HOUSING DEVELOPERS AND WILL INCREASE THE LIKELIHOOD THAT A RESIDENTIAL PRODUCT WOULD BE BUILT WHEN DEVELOPMENT CONDITIONS IMPROVE. 'CAUSE IT ALSO INDICATES THAT THE DEVELOPMENT CONDITIONS AREN'T RIPE YET FOR THESE SIZES OF BUILDINGS. UM, AND IT INDICATES THAT IF TRANSPORTATION PLACEMAKING AND PRIVATE AMENITY IMPROVEMENTS ENHANCE THE AREA'S DESIRABILITY AS A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, IF THESE ARE IMPLEMENTED, UH, THOSE CONDITIONS COME AROUND. AND WE HAVE THAT GOING ON ALREADY. WE JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, BROKE GROUND IN A NEW TRAIN STATION. UM, THE POSITIONING OF, OF, UH, THIS OVERLAY IS, UM, YOU KNOW, VERY INTERCONNECTED. UM, I'M FINDING THAT THERE'S MORE PROS THAN CONS IN THE ZONING OVERLAY. UM, SO FROM THE BEGINNING I WAS STARTED OUT AGAINST, AND AS I STARTED TO READ MORE AND MORE ABOUT IT, UM, I'VE BECOME IN SUPPORT OF THIS. UH, I'D LIKE TO BE OVER TIME LOOKING AT ZONING AS A MORE SYSTEMIC ISSUE IN PETALUMA. UH, I'M NOT A SUPER FAN OF THE FACT THAT WE HAVE LIKE THIS SMALL KIND OF PIECEMEAL THING, BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S REASONS TO TAKE OPPORTUNITIES WHEN WE [02:40:01] HAVE THEM. UH, SO THERE'S PROS, THERE'S CONS, BUT IF WE LOOKED AT ZONING SYSTEMATICALLY, UM, CITYWIDE, WE COULD REALLY LOOK TO REDUCE SOME OF THESE BARRIERS THAT ZONING HAS IMPLEMENTED ON OUR CITY TO, YOU KNOW, INCREASE DIVERSITY AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE LOWER, UH, INCOME HOUSING, UH, AND ALL THE VARIOUS PLACES THAT WE NEED TO HAVE THAT, UM, WITHOUT DEALING WITH THIS HISTORICAL LEGACY OF BASICALLY PREVENTING PEOPLE FROM ACCESSING, UH, THE BENEFITS AND THE AMENITIES OF THIS GREAT TOWN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ERIC. AND WE'LL HEAR FROM NICOLA, FOLLOWED BY, UH, LYON. GOODMAN. HI, MY NAME IS NICOLA FRY AND I'M A CHAIRPERSON OF THE SENIOR ADVISORY COMMITTEE. I'M ON THE REBUILDING TOGETHER PETALUMA BOARD OF DIRECTORS, AND I'M THE MICROT TRANSIT AD HOC GROUP OF THE TRANSIT COMMITTEE. I STAND BEFORE YOU TODAY, NOT AS AN IN AN OPPOSITION TO PROGRESS, BUT AS A FRIEND OF HISTORY AND COMMUNITY, OUR CHARMING HISTORIC DOWNTOWN IN ITS NARROW STREETS, IN ITS VINTAGE FACADES IS NOT JUST A PLACE, IT'S A LIVING TESTAMENT TO OUR SHARED PAST. TODAY, I WANT TO SHARE SOME THOUGHTS ON WHY WE SHOULD CON, RECONSIDER THE PROPOSED OVERLAY IN THE HOTEL DEVELOPMENT THAT LOOMS OVER OUR BELOVED HERITAGE. FIRSTLY, LET'S ACKNOWLEDGE THE UNIQUENESS OF OUR HISTORIC DOWNTOWN. IT'S NOT JUST A COLLECTION OF BUILDINGS, IT'S A NARRATIVE, A STORY WOVEN BY THE HANDS OF TIME. EACH BRICK, EACH ALLEY, AND EVERY STOREFRONT HAS A TALE TO TELL ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVED HERE, THE EVENTS THAT SHAPED US, AND THE SPIRIT OF RESILIENCE THAT CARRIED US THROUGH THE PROPOSED OVERLAY AND HOTEL THREATENS TO OVERSHADOW THIS NARRATIVE, CASTING A SHADOW ON THE VERY ESSENCE OF WHAT MAKES OUR DOWNTOWN SPECIAL. WE SEE IN THE CONSEQUENCES OF UNCHECKED DEVELOPMENT IN OTHER CITIES, THE EROSION OF CHARACTER AND THE LOSS OF AUTHENTICITY. OUR HISTORIC DOWNTOWN IS NOT JUST A COMMODITY TO BE BOUGHT AND SOLD. IT'S A TREASURE THAT ONCE LOST CANNOT BE RECLAIMED. THE VIBRANCY OF OUR COMMUNITY LIES IN ITS HISTORY, AND WE RISK SACRIFICING THAT FOR THE TRANSIENT ALLURE OF SOMETHING NEW. THE CHANGE SUGGESTED BY THE OVERLAY AND THE ARRIVAL OF A LARGE SCALE HOTEL MAY DRAW ATTENTION AWAY FROM OUR HO, OUR LOCAL GEMS, DIVERTING FOOT TRAFFIC AND REVENUE TO A MORE GENERIC COOPERATIVES COOPERATION, COOPERATIVE SETTING. I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE FREEZE OUR TOWN IN TIME, RESISTING CHANGE AT ALL COSTS. HOWEVER, WE MUST BE THOUGHTFUL AND INTENTIONAL IN OUR DECISIONS. THERE ARE ALTERNATIVE WAYS TO FOSTER GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT JEOPARDIZING THE SOUL OF OUR DOWNTOWN. WE CAN EXPLORE ADAPTIVE REUSE OF EXISTING STRUCTURES, ENCOURAGE LOCAL ENTREPRENEURSHIP, AND PROMOTE SUSTAINABLE PRACTICES THAT ALIGN WITH OUR COMMUNITY INCLU. IN CONCLUSION, LET'S NOT RUSH INTO A DECISION THAT WOULD ALTER THE VERY FABRIC OF OUR TOWN. OUR HISTORIC DOWNTOWN IS NOT, NOT A RELIC OF THE PAST. IT'S A LIVING, BREATHING ENTITY THAT CONNECTS US TO OUR ROOTS. LET'S PRESERVE IT FOR OUR FUTURE GENERATIONS, ENSURING THAT THEY TOO CAN WALK DOWN THESE STREETS AND FEEL THE ECHOES OF OUR SHARED HISTORY. TOGETHER WE CAN BUILD A FUTURE THAT HONORS OUR PAST, WHILE EMBRACING PROGRESS IN THE WAY THAT HARMONIZES WITH THE ESSENCE OF OUR BELOVED PETALUMA. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NOW WE'LL HEAR FROM LY GOODMAN, FOLLOWED BY JEREMY HANCOCK. UH, THANK YOU, UH, FIRST OF ALL, I, I CAME HERE IN OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSAL AND, UH, RECOGNIZED HOW MUCH INTELLIGENT WORK HAS GONE INTO THE PROPOSAL. SO FIRST OF ALL, I APPRECIATE ALL OF THE INTELLIGENCE THAT'S BEEN APPLIED TO THESE QUESTIONS FROM ENVIRONMENTAL TO, UH, POPULATION TO, UH, TO QUALITY OF LIFE. UM, I HAVE NOTICED THAT, UH, THE TITLE IS, UH, ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY OVERLAY AND HOTEL DRAFT STUDY. UH, IT'S NOT A QUALITY OF LIFE OVERLAY, AND I THINK THE QUALITY OF LIFE, UH, FOR US AS PETALUMA IS, UH, CERTAINLY EQUALLY IMPORTANT TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OF PETALUMA. UM, THE PETALUMA GENERAL PLAN, UH, WAS ADOPTED IN 2008, UH, AND THE PROPOSED ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY OVERLAY AND PROPOSED HOTEL DO NOT ENHANCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR ALL RESIDENTS AND VISITORS. IT DOES NOT REFLECT THE ASPIRATIONS OF THE COMMUNITY. UH, IF YOU READ THE COMMENTS ON NEXTDOOR ABOUT THE PROPOSAL, THEY'RE ABOUT 95% NEGATIVE, UH, AGAINST THE PROPOSAL. AND, UM, I DID SEND A COPY OF SEVEN PAGES OF COMMENTS TO THE COUNCIL. UM, UH, THE CEO OF EKN CAME UP AND SAID HE CARESS ABOUT PETALUMA, AND THAT WAS LOVELY TO HEAR. HOWEVER, THEY ARE A BUSINESS [02:45:01] THAT IS INVOLVED IN MAKING A PROFIT BY BUILDING BUILDINGS. SO THEY ARE NOT PETALUMA CARING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS TO PETALUMA. UM, UH, YOUR STAFF HAS IDENTIFIED IMPACTS THAT YOUR STAFF HAS STATED THAT IDENTIFIED IMPACTS CAN BE REDUCED TO LESS THAN SIGNIFICANT WITH MITIGATION. UH, HOWEVER, I DO NOT SEE ANYWHERE IN THE PROPOSAL THE EXACT MITIGATION EFFORTS THAT WILL BE TAKEN OR HOW A SIX STORY HOTEL WILL MITIGATE VISUAL BLOCKAGE OF DOWNTOWN, OR HOW A HOTEL WILL MITIGATE THE LACK OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN PETALUMA. AND I WONDER WHETHER, UH, YOUR STAFF IS ACTUALLY AWARE OF THE IMPACT ON US CITIZENS. I KNOW YOU'VE TAKEN PUBLIC COMMENTS, UH, OR WHETHER THEY'RE ACTUALLY TRYING TO MITIGATE THE OWNERS AND DEVELOPERS' COSTS SO THAT THEY CAN MAKE MORE PROFIT. THAT'S MY QUESTION. UM, I DO NOT WANT A MITIGATED NEGATIVE DECLARATION APPROVED. UH, THERE MUST BE A COMPLETE AND OFFICIAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT, UH, IMPACT REPORT THAT WILL COVER TRAFFIC IMPACTS, PARKING NEEDS, IMPACTS ON OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT, IMPACTS ON VIEWS, CHANGES TO THE AMBIANCE, AMBIANCE OF DOWNTOWN, THE HEIGHT AND MASS OF 60 FOOT BUILDINGS, SITE ALTERNATIVES, THE AMOUNT AND TYPE OF HOUSING THE CITY'S HOPING TO BRING INTO THE DOWNTOWN AND ASSOCIATED TRAFFIC, UH, CONDITIONS. THE ECONOMIC BENEFIT THE CITY EXPECTS TO GAIN FROM THE ZONING CHANGE AND THE NEED FOR MODELING THE CUMULATIVE IMPACTS OF ZONING CHANGE. UM, SO, UH, THE LAST THING I WANTED TO SAY, OH, I DON'T HAVE TIME, BUT, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK. UH, PLEASE CONSIDER QUALITY OF LIFE INSTEAD OF ECONOMIC BENEFIT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NOW WE WILL HEAR FROM JEREMY HANCOCK, FOLLOWED BY, UH, NANCY. WELL, I'M JUST GONNA SAY NANCY . IS THIS OKAY? EVERYONE GOOD? OKAY. UM, THANKS FOR THE TIME AND THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION. BUT BOY, THAT WAS A LOT OF JARGON. OKAY. I WAS REALLY QUICK. I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND A LOT OF IT. UM, I'M NOT AN PLANNER OR AN ENGINEER OR ANYTHING, BUT, UH, IT BOILS DOWN TO A SPECIAL EXEMPTION FOR EKN AND THE HOTEL. THAT'S WHAT THE OVERLAY BOILS DOWN TO. UM, THERE'S NO NEED FOR THE OVERLAY WHEN THE GENERAL PLAN IS BEING UPDATED. WE'RE WORKING ON AN UPDATE FOR THE GENERAL PLAN. EVERYTHING THE OVERLAY DOES CAN BE DONE WITH A GENERAL PLAN AND IT CAN BE DONE, UM, SMARTER, EASIER, AND IT CAN BE FULLY DEVELOPED. THE CEO FOR THE CEO FOR EKN SAID THAT, UM, THE OVERLAY WAS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT WOULD LEAD TO, UM, UH, MORE OF A PLANNING FOR GROWTH. BUT IF YOU'RE GONNA PLAN BY OVERLAY, THAT IS CHAOS. IF YOU'RE GONNA GIVE EKN AN OVERLAY, CAN I GET AN OVERLAY? IF I WANNA BUMP MY HOUSE OUT TO THE STREET AND I WANNA ADD A FEW STORIES TO IT, THERE'LL BE SOME MORE CONSTRUCTION JOBS. I'LL EVEN HIRE A, A CLEANING PERSON. IF, IF YOU'RE GONNA GIVE THEM AN OVERLAY, YOU SHOULD GIVE ME AN OVERLAY TOO. UM, AND ALSO THERE SHOULD BE AN EIR BECAUSE I, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S MENTIONED, UH, CLIMATE CHANGE. OKAY. THE, UM, THE CITY'S BLUEPRINT FOR CARBON NEUTRALITY MENTIONS, UM, UM, THAT TRANSPORTATION IS THE BIGGEST DRIVER FOR CLIMATE CHANGE. ALL THE PEOPLE COMING INTO THE HOTEL DRIVING AROUND PETALUMA ARE GONNA CONTRIBUTE TO CLIMATE CHANGE. SO THERE NEEDS TO BE AN EIR FOR THAT, AND THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED, UH, ACCORDING TO THE BBC TRANSFER, UH, UM, TRAVEL ACCOUNTS FOR 8% OF, UH, GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS. AND THEY, THEY, UM, THEY PREDICT A 3% GROWTH EVERY YEAR. WE DON'T WANNA BE PART OF THAT. UM, SO IN SUMMARY, THERE'S NO NEED FOR AN OVERLAY WHEN WE'VE GOT A GENERAL PLAN UPDATE. AND WE SHOULD HAVE A, UM, AN EIR FOR THIS AS WELL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND WE'LL HEAR FROM NANCY, FOLLOWED BY JULIA BURTON. HELLO, I'M NANCY OLIS. I LIVE ON D STREET IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND WHEN I BOUGHT MY HOUSE, I KNEW IT WAS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND I ABIDE BY THE RESTRICTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PLACED ON ME. AND I THINK THAT WHEN PEOPLE BUY A LOT THAT HAS RESTRICTIONS LIKE THE WHERE THE HOTEL IS GONNA BE OR WHERE THEY, THAT THEY SHOULD, THEY, THEY KNEW WHAT IT WAS WHEN THEY BOUGHT IT AND NOW THEY'RE HERE TRYING TO CHANGE IT. AND I UNDERSTAND FROM THE OTHER MEETINGS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION NEEDS TO [02:50:01] PURSUE A POSSIBILITY, BUT WE DON'T NEED TO APPROVE IT. AND SO IF I WOULD LIKE THE PLANNING COMMITTEE AND THE HISTORIC COMMITTEE AFTER THEY VOTE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL, EXPLAIN SOME OF THE FOLLOWING WHY IT NEEDS TO BE DONE BEFORE THE 2025 GENERAL PLAN. I AGREE WITH THE OTHER GENTLEMAN THAT MAKING IT PIECEMEAL AND BIT RUINS THE WHOLE POINT OF A GENERAL PLAN. YOU CAN'T SEE THE WHOLE BIG PICTURE. UM, AND SOME OF THE OTHER PEOPLE BEFORE HAD SAID THAT THE HOTELS HAVE LOW OCCUPANCY. AND I DID WANNA WONDER IF PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE STAYING AT THIS $400 A NIGHT HOTEL ARE GONNA TAKE THE BUS TO IT OR TAKE OUR LITTLE SMART TRAIN, WHICH RUNS FROM THE AIRPORT DOWN TO SAN RAFAEL OR LARPS SPUR. NOW I THINK THEY'RE DRIVING AND IT IS GONNA REALLY AFFECT PARKING. SO WHAT DOES BENEFIT DOES THE OVERLAY BRING TO OUR HISTORIC BUSINESS DISTRICT THAT'S ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER? HOW DOES THIS OVERLAY ENHANCE IT? THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IS AN ASSET TO THE BUSINESSES HERE ALREADY. AND A SIX STORY STRUCTURE THAT TAKES UP THE WHOLE LOT DOES NOT FIT IN AND DOES NOT BENEFIT OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND WHY ARE THERE THE OTHER TWO OVERLAYS? WERE OFF THE TABLE THE LAST TIME I CAME IN HERE. SO THEY'RE, YOU'RE VOTING ON THEM TOO TONIGHT. OKAY, SO LET'S SEE. I AGREE THAT THERE'S PLENTY OF TIMES WHERE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE TRY TO GET CHANGES AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOESN'T HELP THEM EITHER. MY NEIGHBOR WITH A SUBDIVISION WAS TOLD TO MOVE HER GARAGE SEVEN FEET FOR THE ACCESS, EVEN THOUGH IT'S IN AN OLD AREA WHERE THERE ARE NO SETBACKS. AND THEN, UM, THE OTHER GENTLEMAN WITH THE FOURTH AND SEA WHO SAID THAT HAD REQUESTED STUFF AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD TURNED THEM DOWN AND NOW THEIR AREA WAS BLIGHTED. THAT WAS AT ONE OF THE, THE MEETINGS I WAS AT. HE CAME UP AND TALKED. SO I WOULD ASK THAT IF YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO DO IT, EXPLAIN TO US AFTER YOU VOTE WHY IT CAN'T JUST BE PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN. THESE PEOPLE BOUGHT THE LOT. THEY KNEW WHAT IT WAS WHEN THEY BOUGHT IT. THEY CAN WAIT FOR THE GENERAL PLAN. I WANT IT TO BE DONE AS A WHOLE, NOT HERE AND THERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NOW WE'LL HEAR FROM JULIA BURTON, FOLLOWED BY ERIC SCHER. ALRIGHT, I'LL TAKE, I TAKE IT JULIA'S NIGHT HERE. SO WE'LL HEAR FROM ERIC SCHER, UH, CHAIR ERIC SCHER HAS ALREADY SPOKEN. THANK YOU ALAN CALDERON. QUITE A FEW CARDS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. THANK YOU, UH, COMMISSIONERS AND HISTORIC, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBERS. UH, MY NAME IS ALAN COLD IRON AND I'M A COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE AGENT. HOWEVER, I WANT TO DISCLOSE THAT I HAVE NO FINANCIAL INTEREST AT ALL IN THE DECISIONS THAT YOU'RE GONNA MAKE REGARDING THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT. AND I HAVE NO CLIENTS THAT HAVE ANY, YOU KNOW, E ECONOMIC INTEREST IN THIS EITHER. SO I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU TONIGHT. ONE IS THE, THE RECOMMENDATION I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT THIS ONE IS THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF THAT THE COMMISSION AND HISTORICAL AND CULTURE COMMITTEE CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AND RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE GENERAL PLAN AND ZONING AMENDMENTS. I MEAN, I, I, I, I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT, AND I BELIEVE THAT YOUR PURPOSE IS TO ANALYZE AND ADDRESS POTENTIAL MITIGATION AND REALLY DECIDE ABOUT THE FEASIBILITY OF, UH, PROJECTS, NOT SIMPLY RUBBER STAMP STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. SO THIS, AND THE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO SAY IS THIS SHOULD FIRST GO TO AN EIR TO ANSWER MANY OF THE QUESTIONS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS PROPOSAL BRINGS TO OUR CITY. THE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO SAY, I I, I WAS COMING PREPARED TO TALK A LOT ABOUT THE, UH, HOTEL. UM, I DO HAVE, UH, HOSPITALITY CLIENTS AND I KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UH, HOTEL DEVELOPMENT AND MANAGEMENT, BUT, UH, THAT APPARENTLY WAS TAKEN OFF THE, UH, THE AGENDA. UM, SO, SO I WON'T BE SPEAKING ABOUT THAT. UH, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE ALL OF YOU TO READ, UH, AND REVIEW THE, UM, UH, THE INDEPENDENT REVIEW THAT WAS DONE BY STRATEGIC ECONOMICS THAT WAS SENT TO THE PETALUMA PLANNING, UH, [02:55:01] PEOPLE ON NOVEMBER 7TH THAT POINTS OUT A LOT OF THE SAME THINGS THAT, THAT I'M SAYING. WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF REALLY EXCELLENT COMMENTS FROM, UH, PEOPLE THAT HAVE, THAT ARE CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS PROPOSAL. UM, AND IT'S BEEN ECHOED THAT PETALUMA'S A GREAT TOWN. IT IS A GREAT TOWN. I'VE LIVED HERE FOR QUITE A WHILE. I LOVE THIS PLACE. IT'S A GREAT TOWN. A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE TO COME HERE, BUT THEY DON'T COME HERE BECAUSE WE LOOK LIKE FREMONT OR SAN JOSE OR, UM, LOS ANGELES, MAYBE, YOU KNOW. UM, SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER IS THAT WE HAVE A WONDERFUL HISTORIC DISTRICT. WE HAVE WONDERFUL DOWNTOWN, BUT IT ALSO HAS LIMITATIONS. OKAY? WE HAVE A RIVER, WE HAVE A BOULEVARD THAT GOES RIGHT DOWN THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF TOWN. UM, WE HAVE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE DO NOT HAVE, YOU KNOW, UM, BOULEVARDS LIKE YOU WOULD SEE IN WALNUT CREEK OR ROSEVILLE AND PLACES LIKE THAT. WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DEAL WITH THE TRAFFIC THAT, UH, THEY, YOU KNOW, THAT THOSE AREAS, UM, ACTUALLY CAN HANDLE. SO I'D LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER THAT, UH, THAT WE DO HAVE LIMITATIONS. WE'RE NOT FOR, YOU KNOW, UH, I MEAN, A LOT OF US ARE NOT FOR ANTI-GROWTH, UH, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THINGS YOUR TIME'S UP. SORRY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, NEXT WE'RE GONNA HEAR FROM, UH, PETER MIZZU. ARE YOU? YES. AND THAT'LL BE FOLLOWED BY LIBBY FITZGERALD. OH, NO. LIBBY'S SEATING HER TIME TO SOMEONE ELSE. OKAY. FOLLOWED BY TEDDY READY. UM, I HEARD THAT, UH, SOMEBODY, UH, WAS GOING TO, THEY VOTED ON STORY POLLS, VOTED AGAINST STORY POLLS. UM, I DON'T KNOW WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT, BUT THAT SEEMS AWFULLY SHORTSIGHTED. I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EIRS AND SO FORTH. STORY POLLS ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY GIVE YOU A, A VIEW OF WHAT THE BUILDING IS GONNA LOOK LIKE. I CAN'T IMAGINE WHY THEY WOULD VOTE AGAINST THAT. THAT SHOULD BE REQUIRED BY THE DEVELOPERS. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, UH, AN OVERLAY. I'M NOT, I'M NOT SOPHISTICATED ENOUGH TO, TO UNDERSTAND ALL THIS STUFF VERY WELL, BUT IF YOU HAVE AN OVERLAY THAT SAYS, OKAY, IN THIS PARTICULAR PLACE, YOU CAN BUILD WHAT YOU CAN'T BUILD ELSEWHERE, THEN THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. THESE OVERLAYS ARE GONNA FILL UP WITH TALL BUILDINGS. EVERYBODY'S TALKING ABOUT THE CHARM OF PETALUMA, HOW, HOW QUAINT IT IS. AND WE, IT'S A, IT'S A MAIN STREET TOWN, AND YOU'RE EVER GONNA PUT THIS MONSTER OF A BUILDING UP? UH, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST GONNA CHANGE THE WHOLE THING. UH, IT, IT JUST, IT, IT SEEMED SHORTSIGHTED TO ME. UH, I JUST COULDN'T SUPPORT IT LESS. ANYWAY, THAT'S ALL I GOT. THANKS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NOW WE'LL HEAR FROM TEDDY, FOLLOWED BY KATE BOLTON. HELLO, EVERYONE. LATE FOR ME. I'M TEDDY HERZOG. UH, I LIVE IN OAK HILL BREWSTER, THREE BLOCKS FROM DOWNTOWN. AND FOR, AS YOU WOULD AGREE, THE HEART OF DOWNTOWN. IT'S NOT THIS MUSEUM COVERED IN COBWEBS THAT ARE DOWNTOWN CORE. IT'S A LIVING, BREATHING, GROWING ORGANISM. I THINK EVERYBODY HERE LOVES DOWNTOWN, LOVES THE HISTORIC NATURE OF DOWNTOWN, BUT I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HERE IS TALKING ABOUT DEMOLISHING ANYTHING DOWNTOWN. WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS CHAINLINK FENCE, LOTS EMPTY, LOTS, UNDERUTILIZED PARTS OF OUR DOWNTOWN. AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAKING OUR DOWNTOWN MORE ECONOMICALLY VIBRANT. AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POTENTIAL BUILDINGS WITH THE HEIGHT AND MASS, SIMILAR TO HOTEL PETALUMA A LITTLE BIT HIGHER. AND I'M AN ADVOCATE FOR THIS OVERLAY. UM, AS HAS BEEN MENTIONED, URBAN CHAT PUT OUT A SHORT LETTER POLICY POSITION ON THE OVERLAY. AND I'M ONE OF THE 10 PEOPLE WHO SIGNED ONTO THAT RECOMMEND YOU READ THAT. IT'S WELL WRITTEN. WE'VE GOT 30,000 JOBS IN PETALUMA, AND MOST OF THEM ARE SERVICED BY PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIVE HERE IN TOWN. AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS, IF YOU LIVE HERE IN TOWN, YOU'RE NOT WORKING HERE MOST LIKELY. AND IF YOU'RE WORKING HERE, YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT LIVING HERE. IF THE TOPICS CLIMATE CHANGE AND CARBON FOOTPRINT, THEN MORE HOUSING AND JOBS DOWNTOWN HELPS THAT [03:00:01] IF THE TOPICS ECONOMIC JUSTICE, MORE HOUSING AND JOBS DOWNTOWN HELPS THAT, WILL THE OVERLAY IMPROVE THE RATIO OF PEOPLE WHO BOTH LIVE AND WORK HERE IN TOWN? I DON'T KNOW, BUT FOR SURE, EMPTY CHAIN LINK, FENCED LOTS DON'T HELP THAT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IMPROVING THE ECONOMIC PRODUCTIVITY OF DOWNTOWN HISTORIC. DOWNTOWN PETALUMA IS NOT A MUSEUM. IT'S OUR DOWNTOWN CORE. IT'LL ALWAYS BE OUR DOWNTOWN WHERE THE BUSINESS AND WHERE THE ACTION IS. AND WE LOVE BIG, BOLD BUILDINGS FROM 1885, AND WE LOVE BIG, BOLD BUILDINGS FROM 1920 THAT ARE IN OUR DOWNTOWN. I SAY IT'S TIME FOR SOME BIG, BOLD BUILDINGS IN OUR DOWNTOWN THAT SCREAM YEAR 2024. AND TO FINISH UP, I'LL JUST NAME A COUPLE OTHER PROJECTS THAT PROBABLY EVERYBODY AGREES WITH THAT ARE IN NEED OF SOME FUNDING. THE TRESTLE, THE FAIRGROUNDS, IMPROVED PARKS, NEW FIRE STATION, DREDGING, DOWNSTREAM OF THE TURNING BASIN, DREDGING, UPSTREAM OF THE TURNING BASIN, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. WE NEED A MORE VIBRANT, ECONOMICALLY VIBRANT DOWNTOWN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NOW WE'LL HEAR FROM KATE BOLTON, FOLLOWED BY SONIA, WELL, FOLLOWED BY SONIA. GOOD EVENING. I'M KATE BOLTON, AND UH, I HAD SEVERAL THINGS I WANTED TO SAY. UM, FROM THIS MEETING, I'VE HAD A FEW OF MY CONCERNS ALLAYED ABOUT HOW THE OVERLAY WOULD APPLY. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE SOME POTENTIAL BENEFITS. HOWEVER, I STILL HAVE SOME CONCERNS, UH, ESPECIALLY AS REGARDS CQA AND FOR THE MANY SMALL SERVICE BUSINESSES THAT SERVE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, OUR COMMUNITY, THESE SERVICES ARE NECESSARY. THEY'RE NOT BLIGHT. THEY'RE MAYBE NOT THE MOST HANDSOME ARCHITECT DESIGN STRUCTURES, BUT THEY'RE NOT BLIGHT. THEY'RE NECESSARY SERVICES. WHY IS OUR CURRENT HEIGHT LIMIT CONSIDERED INSUFFICIENT FOR THESE OVERLAY AREAS EXCEPT BY A SINGLE ENTITY, THE PROPOSED HOTEL? WHY SHOULD THAT ONE PROJECT AFFECT THE WHOLE TEXTURE AND FABRIC OF OUR TOWN? WE ARE CURRENTLY IN PROCESS TO UPDATE THE CITY'S GENERAL PLAN. SO WHY IS THE OVERLAY PROPOSAL NOT PART OF THAT COMPREHENSIVE EFFORT? WILL THE PROPOSED GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT BE TO THE CURRENT GP GENERAL PLAN OR TO THE UPDATED PLAN? AND IF IT WILL BE TO THE CURRENT GENERAL PLAN, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE OVERLAY AND THE UPDATED GENERAL PLAN? WHEN THE OLD SILK AND TWINE BUILDING WAS PROPOSED AS A HOTEL A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, THE CITY TOLD THE DEVELOPERS THAT THEY HAD TO WAIT UNTIL THE GENERAL PLAN WAS FINISHED BEFORE THEY COULD APPROVE THAT. SUCH A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE TO THE DOWNTOWN HEIGHT LIMITS SHOULD APPROPRIATELY BE CONSIDERED IN THE GENERAL PLAN, RATHER THAN AT THE BEHEST OF A SINGLE DEVELOPER. AS TO C EQUA, IT DOES THE ISM AND D MEAN THAT THE HOTEL WILL HAVE NO FURTHER C EQUA REVIEW? I THINK IT DOES, AND I THINK THAT'S UNACCEPTABLE. AND FINALLY, I AM DISTRESSED ABOUT HOW THE OVERLAY WAS PRESENTED IN THE CITY'S POSTCARD FLYER AND OTHER DOCUMENTS. IT WAS NOT AN OBJECTIVE DESCRIPTION AND IT SOUNDED SO POSITIVELY SUPPORTIVE, ALMOST FETA ACCOMPLI THAT I WONDER IF IT WAS WRITTEN BY THE DEVELOPERS. IT VERY MUCH SEEMS LIKE A DONE DEAL, SUPPORTED EVEN PROMULGATED BY THE STAFF. SO THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT I WANTED TO SAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NOW WE'LL HEAR FROM SONYA. HELLO? OH, , UH, MAYBE THE ONLY PERSON WHO'S IMMEDIATELY USING THE MIC, UH, LOUDLY, UH, . MY NAME'S SONYA CARAVEL, UH, AND I'M WITH UNITE HERE. LOCAL TWO. UH, AND WE'RE THE HOTEL WORKERS UNION REPRESENTING THE NORTH BAY, UH, AT THE PETALUMA SHERATON. NOW THERE SONOMA COUNTY HOTELS AS WELL AS 15,000 MEMBERS ACROSS THE BAY AREA. AND I'M HERE TO URGE YOU NOT TO BASE YOUR ZONING CODE ON WHAT WILL MAKE A HOTEL PROJECT PENCIL FOR EKN DEVELOPMENT. IF PETALUMA IS GOING TO CHANGE ITS ZONING TO ALLOW FOR MORE DENSITY, IT SHOULD BE TO BUILD HOUSING, ESPECIALLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING, NOT TO BEND OVER BACKWARDS TO HELP A HOTEL DEVELOPER MAKE ITS PROJECT PENCIL. THIS UPZONING SHOULD APPLY TO HOUSING, NOT HOTELS. HOUSING SERVES A COMPELLING SOCIAL NEED IN OUR CURRENT HOUSING CRISIS. HOTELS DO NOT. WE [03:05:01] ARE HERE TO DISCUSS THE OVERLAY, NOT THE HOTEL. UH, AND THAT'S WHY THIS PLANNING COMMISSION SHOULD FEEL FREE TO AMEND THIS OVERLAY TO HELP IT ACHIEVE ITS STATED OBJECTIVE OF INCENTIVIZING MORE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. AS THE HOTEL WORKERS UNION, WE BELIEVE THAT HOSPITALITY CAN BE A, A KEY PART OF A SUSTAINABLE ECONOMY. BUT THE STATUS QUO IN SONOMA COUNTY IS NOT WORKING. MANY HOTELS CATER TO THE ULTRA WEALTHY WHILE THEIR EMPLOYEES MAKE JUST ABOVE MINIMUM WAGE. AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE NO INDICATION THAT THIS HOTEL WILL BE ANYTHING DIFFERENT. THIS PROBLEM CREATES A JOBS HOUSING IMBALANCE. OUR MEMBERS KNOW FIRSTHAND HOW HARD IT IS TO AFFORD TO LIVE IN PETALUMA AND SURROUNDING AREAS. THEY FIGHT FOR FAIR CONTRACTS WITH WAGE INCREASES, BUT THESE RAISES AT WORK GET EATEN UP BY RISING RENT. 70.4% OF LOW INCOME RENTERS IN PETALUMA, WHICH CORRESPONDS TO A SINGLE PERSON MAKING BETWEEN 40 K AND 65 KA YEAR, OR 20 TO $30 AN HOUR, ARE RENT BURDENED, MEANING THEY PAY OVER 30% OF THEIR INCOME IN RENT. THIS IS THE REALITY FOR WORKERS IN THE SERVICE INDUSTRY IN PETALUMA, UH, PETALUMA, SONOMA COUNTY AS A WHOLE RELY ON HOSPITALITY AS A MAJOR PILLAR OF THE ECONOMY, BUT THEY DON'T PROVIDE SUFFICIENT AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR WORKERS TO BE ABLE TO LIVE NEARBY. THIS RESULTS IN LONG COMMUTE TIMES AND LESS SENSE OF COMMUNITY. PETALUMA DOESN'T NEED ANOTHER LUXURY HOTEL, WHICH WILL CONTINUE THE CYCLE OF HIGH RENTS AND LOW WAGES. IT NEEDS HOUSING. SO THE PEOPLE WHO WORK HERE CAN LIVE HERE TOO. IF WE WANNA INCENTIVIZE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, ONE SIMPLE WAY IS TO APPLY THESE INCENTIVES EXCLUSIVELY TO HOUSING OR MIXED USE PROJECTS. PLEASE STUDY THIS POSSIBILITY BEFORE YOU PASS AN OVERLAY THAT CATERS TO THE NEEDS OF A HOTEL DEVELOPER OVER PETALUMA'S WORKING CLASS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NOW WE'RE GONNA HEAR FROM DAVID KELLER. OH, AND DAVID, YOU'VE HAD THREE PEOPLE SEED TIME TO YOU. I'LL TAKE TWO OF THOSE. I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE NOT GONNA OFFER THESE CALL MINUTES. YOU, YOU CAN HAVE UP TO NINE. YEAH, TO NINE, WHICH IS WHAT I EXPECTED. THANK YOU. UM, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS COMMITTEE MEMBERS. UH, DAVID KELLER, FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER, FORMER CO-CHAIR OF THE PETALUMA, UM, DOWNTOWN SPECIFIC PLAN COMMITTEE, UM, AND ALSO REPRESENTING PETALUMA RIVER COUNCIL. UM, AND OUR MAJOR BATTLE FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS HAS BEEN DRA. SO I WANNA TALK TO YOU ABOUT ONE OF YOUR CHAR CORE ITEMS FOR THIS EVENING. IT'S A SE DECISION. I'M NOT GONNA TALK ABOUT THE OVERLAY OR DENSITY OR ANY REST OF THAT STUFF, WHICH ARE NOT THE SE DECISION THAT'S ON YOUR TABLE. WHAT'S ON YOUR TABLE IS AN MND THAT COMBINES TWO PROJECTS, THE HOTEL AND A ZONING OVERLAY. TO SEGREGATE THOSE, YOU'D HAVE TO DIVIDE THE MND INTO TWO PIECES, WHICH THE CITY HAS REFUSED TO DO DESPITE BEING ASKED TO DO THAT. SO YOU'RE STUCK WITH THIS COMBINATION, THIS ODDBALL COMBINATION. UM, AND YOU HAVE TO DECIDE IS THE UNDER CE QA IS THE I-S-M-N-D ADEQUATELY, ACCURATELY, AND FULLY DESCRIBING THE PROJECT, THE BOTH PROJECTS, IS IT PREDICTING THE IMPACTS, BOTH DIRECT AND CUMULATIVE WITH EXACTLY HOW TO AVOID, MITIGATE OR IF NEED, MAKE OVERRIDING CONSIDERATIONS ON THE IMPACTS THAT ARE DESCRIBED. ALL THIS IS, AS YOU'RE SITTING ON A RESPONSIBLE AGENCY AND COMMITTEE WITH ASSUMING YOU HAVE FULL DATA AND INFORMATION TO SUPPORT YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND DECISIONS AND THE DECISIONS MAKE MUST DO THEIR DUE DILIGENCE AND MAKE FINDINGS AND THE EVIDENCE CLEAR TO THE PUBLIC AND TO THE APPLICANT FOR WHY YOU'RE MAKING YOUR FINDINGS. AND I COULD SAY, VERY SADLY, EKN AND CITY STAFF HAVE SENT YOU ON A WILD GOOSE CHASE BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT PROVIDED FULL INFORMATION, NOR HAS STAFF PROVIDED YOU FULL INFORMATION, NOR HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE BECAUSE YOU'VE JUST GOT AN AVALANCHE OF MATERIAL IN THE LAST FIVE DAYS. AND THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN READ TO THAT, DIGEST IT, ASK YOUR QUESTIONS, DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE AND MAKE AN INTELLIGENT DECISION THIS EVENING. AND SO IN LOOKING AT THE I-S-M-N-D, IT INADEQUATELY DESCRIBES BOTH THE OVERLAY AND THE ZONING IMPLICATIONS AND THE CUMULATIVE IMPACTS AND WHAT MAXIMUM BUILDOUT, FOR INSTANCE, WOULD LOOK LIKE. IT UNDERSTATES OR AVOIDS A PRESENTATION DESCRIPTION, INFORMATION AND DATA, REAL DATA ON WHAT [03:10:01] MIGHT GET BILLED OUT. AT CUMULATIVES, YOU DON'T HAVE IT. YOU'RE FLYING BLIND, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, ON THE HOTEL PART OF IT, I'LL START THERE. PARKING, YOU HAVE VISITORS, YOU HAVE GUESTS AT THE RESTAURANTS, YOU HAVE GUESTS AND, UH, FOLKS WHO ARE ON EVENTS AT THE, ON THE ROOFTOP AND STAFF. NOBODY HAS MENTIONED PARKING FOR STAFF. THEY'RE THERE THREE SHIFTS A DAY. THERE'S NO PARKING ASSESSMENT. THERE IS A NICE DOCUMENT SHOWING, WELL, HERE'S UNDERUSED, OVERUSED, ABANDONED PROPERTIES. BUT NOWHERE DOES YOU, DO YOU HAVE A DOCUMENT THAT SAYS HERE, MANY HERE ARE HOW MANY PARKING SPACES IN A, B, AND C THAT ARE DEDICATED BY PERMIT OR BY, UH, CONTINUE TO USE FOR PARKING FOR LOCAL BUSINESSES, FOR VISITORS, FOR EMPLOYEES. YOU DON'T HAVE IT. SO WHEN THOSE PARCELS ARE DEVELOPED, WHERE ARE THOSE PARKING SPACES GONNA BE? YOU HAVE NO PLAN FOR IT. THE, THE MS, THE ISM AND D DOESN'T EVEN ADDRESS THAT. IT DOESN'T SAY WE WILL HAVE SO MANY SPACES THAT WE NEED TO REPLACE FOR BOTH EXISTING BUSINESSES. AS YOU ARE NOW, NO LESS AT CUMULATIVE MAXIMUM BUILD OUT, YOU DON'T HAVE IT. UM, YOU DON'T HAVE A A LOT OF THINGS. UM, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA WHERE THIS NEW PARKING IS GONNA GO, YOUR EXISTING GARAGES. DO YOU HAVE A SURVEY INDEPENDENT OF HOW MUCH SPACE THERE IS IN EITHER THE PRIVATELY OWNED OR IN THE PUBLIC GARAGES? NO, YOU DON'T. UM, YOU CAN'T MAKE ANY DECISION ON THAT BECAUSE THE M AND D IS IN IN INCOMPLETE. YOU HAVE NO ALTERNATIVE SITE ANALYSIS, WHICH WAS CONVENIENTLY DONE BY CHOOSING AN MND AS THE PATH FORWARD. EKN KNEW THAT WHEN YOU HAVE AN MND, YOU HAVE NO OBLIGATION ON THE SQUA TO DO AN ALTERNATIVE SITE ANALYSIS. AND YET THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST LOGICAL QUESTION. GIVEN THE ISSUES AROUND HISTORIC PRESERVATION, AROUND TRAFFIC, PARKING, ALL THE REST OF THE THINGS. THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST QUESTION IN AN EIR GIVE ME YOUR ALTERNATIVE SITE ANALYSIS. I PROVIDED A PROPOSAL THAT THE CITY'S OWN BLIGHTED, WHEATED FILLED CHAIN CHAIN LINK FENCED LOT ON PETAL BOULEVARD THAT USED TO BE THE COSTA GRANDE MOTEL, BE AN ALTERNATIVE SITE. IT'S LARGER THAN THE BB STREET SITE, BUT YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE TO. YOU COULD, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO AN ANALYSIS OF THAT. PEOPLE HAVE SUGGESTED PUT IT OVER BY THE SMART, UH, PROPERTIES, PERFECT LOCATION ADJACENT TO TRANSPORTATION. I DON'T CARE ABOUT SIX STORIES THERE. THAT AREA HAS ALREADY BEEN TENTATIVELY APPROVED IN GENERAL PLAN FOR MASSIVE DEVELOPMENT. PERFECT PLACE FOR THE, UH, FOR A NEW HOTEL. UM, TRAFFIC. THIS WAS ASTONISHING TO ME. WE HAD A VETERANS PARADE OVER THE WEEKEND. THE BOULEVARD, B STREET, C STREET, FIFTH STREET, SIXTH STREET, ALL ACROSS STREETS DOWN TO H AND UP TO WASHINGTON WE'RE CLOSED FOR 4, 5, 6, 7 HOURS. AND YET THE HOTEL IS PLOPPED IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT DOES NOT MEAN THERE'S NO ACCESS FOR VISITORS TO EITHER ARRIVE OR TO LEAVE. THEY CAN'T GET YOUR CAR 'CAUSE YOU CAN'T GO AROUND THE BLOCK OR THE HOTEL GONNA DEMAND THAT WE CHANGE OUR PARADE ROUTES. ARE THEY GONNA DEMAND THAT THE STREET FAIRS DISAPPEAR FROM THOSE BLOCKS? THERE'S NO DISCUSSION IN THE M AND D ABOUT THAT. SO THE M AND D AGAIN, IS WOEFULLY INCOMPLETE. YOU HAVE, UM, CURRENT AND CUMULATIVE FUTURE TRAFFIC, BUT DIDN'T INCLUDE ALL THE NEW HOUSING THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED ON D STREET AT OYSTER COVE UP THE BOULEVARD, DOWN FIRST STREET, DOWN SECOND STREET, AND ANY OTHER, UH, DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD OCCUR AT MAXIMUM 'CAUSE. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE REQUIRED TO DO UNDER QA TO LOOK AT WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM POSSIBLE DEVELOPMENT. YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE TRAFFIC IS BECAUSE IT'S, THE M AND D HAS COMPLETELY IGNORED THAT. OH, YOU HAVE A WONDERFUL SET OF DRAWINGS AND PICTURES AND WHATNOT. THIS IS, UH, SUBMITTED TO YOU BY, UM, THE APPLICANT. AND THESE ARE SUPPOSEDLY THE DOCUMENTS TO SHOW YOU WHAT THE FLOOR PLANS, WHAT THE ELEVATIONS, ALL THE REST OF THAT STUFF. NOBODY APPARENTLY HAS READ THE FRYING PRINT ON THOSE ON EVERY PAGE. IT SAYS, FOR REVIEW, ONLY, INTERIM REVIEW. THIS DOCUMENT IS RELEASED FOR THE PURPOSE OF INTERIM REVIEW UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF THE ARCHITECTURE ENGINEER. AND IT SAYS IN CAPS, IT IS NOT TO BE USED FOR REGULATORY APPROVAL, BIDDING PERMIT, OR CONSTRUCTION PURPOSES. [03:15:02] SO YOU HAVE TO TAKE THIS DOCUMENT, THROW IT OUT AND SAY, EKN GIVE ME THE CURRENT DOCUMENT THAT IN FACT YOU'RE COMMITTING TO. YOU DON'T HAVE THIS. I DON'T KNOW WHY NOBODY COULD READ THE FINE PRINT. IT'S ON EVERY PAGE IN A BOX. SO THE MSN, THE M, THE M UH, THE MITIGATED N DECK, THE I-S-M-M-D IS WOEFULLY INCOMPLETE AND INACCURATE. UM, THE OVERLAY AT FULL BUILD OUT, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE. YOU HAVE NO GUARANTEE UNDER CURRENT STATE HOUSING REGULATIONS THAT SACRAMENTO IS SHOVELING DOWN AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, TAKING JURISDICTION AWAY FROM YOU ON APPROVALS. SO IF YOU'RE SAYING WE'LL ALLOW HOUSING WITH A MAXIMUM OF 60 FEET EXCEPT, UH, GOING TO ACUP, YOU NEED TO HAVE A CLEAR STATEMENT FROM YOUR ATTORNEY. DOES ANY OF THE CURRENT AND EXPECTED FUTURE STATE LEGISLATION BYPASS EVEN ACUP FOR HOUSING? AND I SUSPECT IT DOES. IN WHICH CASE YOU AND THE PUBLIC HAVE NO VOICE, NO SAY WHATSOEVER. NO DISCRETION. IT'S BY RIGHT. THANK YOU SCOTT WIENER AND THE GOVERNOR. UM, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY STATEMENT, SORRY, YOUR TIME'S UP NINE. YEP. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, NEXT WE WILL MOVE ON TO SEAN PAYNE. OKAY, GOOD EVENING PLANNING COMMISSION. PETALUMA CERTAINLY IS A UNIQUE TOWN WITH A HISTORIC DOWNTOWN THAT SHOULD BE VALUED. THE CONVERSATION WE'RE HAVING HERE TONIGHT IS NOT UNIQUE TO PETALUMA, THOUGH THIS CONVERSATION IN VARIATIONS IS HAPPENING ALL OVER CALIFORNIA IN COMMUNITIES OF ALL SIZES. AND BY THIS CONVERSATION, I MEAN THE DISCUSSION OF INCREASED BUILDING HEIGHT LIMITS, UH, REDUCING ZONING DENSITY RESTRICTIONS, AND HIGHER, UH, DENSITY HOUSING. AGAIN, THESE CONVERSATIONS ARE NOT UNIQUE TO PETALUMA. THESE CONVERSATIONS ARE NOT UNIQUE TO PETALUMA BECAUSE CALIFORNIA IS DIRE, IS IN DIRE NEED OF HOUSING, ALL TYPES OF HOUSING, BUT ESPECIALLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE HAVE A NEED FOR HOUSING BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T BEEN BUILDING ENOUGH HOMES. WE HAVEN'T BEEN BUILDING ENOUGH HOMES BECAUSE WHEN YOU TAKE THE COST OF LAND AND THE COST OF BUILDING MATERIALS AND THE COMMUNITY THAT DOESN'T LIKE CHANGE, IT BECOMES TOO EXPENSIVE. AGAIN, PETA ISN'T UNIQUE. UH, IN THIS SENSE, CALIFORNIA NEEDS TO BUILD 2.5 MILLION HOMES THE NEXT EIGHT YEARS. AND WE HAVE THIS HUGE DEFICIT BECAUSE OF LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES LIKE PETALUMA STIFLING BUILDING WITH DECADES OF CONVERSATIONS SIMILAR TO THE ONES WE'RE HAVING TONIGHT. THAT'S WHY SACRAMENTO'S TAKING CONTROL GENERATION HOUSING, WHO HAS A REPRESENTATIVE WHO SPOKE HERE TONIGHT, IS THE AUTHORITY ON HOUSING IN SONOMA COUNTY. THEY SUPPORT THIS OVERLAY. THEY STATE THAT BY ENABLING GREATER BUILDING DENSITY AND PROMOTING MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS, THE OVERLAY OFFERS A SOLUTION TO HOUSING SHORTAGES AND BOLSTERS COMMUNITY RESILIENCE. GO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THEM. I ENCOURAGE ALL THAT, UH, THAT QUESTION THE HOUSING NEEDS IN, UH, IN, IN PETALUMA AND SONOMA COUNTY TO, TO ATTEND GENERATION H'S. NEXT HOUSING SYMPOSIUM, PELHAM URBAN CHAT, WHO PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED TONIGHT, ARE ALSO SUPPORTERS OF THIS OVERLAY AS IT MAY BE A PATHWAY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I HOPE YOU ALL GET A CHANCE TO READ URBAN CHAT'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE PROPOSED DOWNTOWN OVERLAY. DOES THE OPPOSITION TO THIS OVERLAY HAVE A FEASIBLE SOLUTION FOR HOUSING? WILL THEY SAY WE CAN SOLVE THIS HOUSING CRISIS BY BUILDING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND THREE STORY BUILDINGS? IT HASN'T WORKED. HOW MUCH LONGER DO WE PROTECT THESE POLICIES THAT HAVE CREATED THIS ISSUE? ASIDE FROM HOUSING, WE HAVE A DOWNTOWN FILLED WITH EMPTY LOTS, EMPTY BUILDINGS, GRAFFITI AND INCREASING HOMELESS POPULATION HOUSES FIXED BY CONTINUING TO PROTECT THE POLICIES THAT HELP CREATE THIS ISSUE. THESE ARE UNCOMFORTABLE CONVERSATIONS FOR SOME, BECAUSE THIS REQUIRES CHANGE AND THAT CHANGE WILL CAUSE DOWNTOWN TO LOOK DIFFERENT. ULTIMATELY, THAT'S WHAT TONIGHT'S ABOUT. IS PETALUMA GOING TO EVOLVE TO A VIBRANT DOWNTOWN AND BECOME PART OF THE HOUSING SOLUTION FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS? OR ARE WE GONNA SACRIFICE FUTURE GENERATIONS QUALITY OF LIFE TO A [03:20:02] SORRY, YOUR TIME'S UP NEXT, WE'LL HEAR FROM TOM GAFFEY. HELLO ALL. UH, I'M GONNA MAKE THIS QUICK 'CAUSE THERE'S BEEN SO MUCH SAID AND, UH, PRETTY MUCH ALL OF MY STEAM HAS BEEN STOLEN. UM, I WANNA LOOK AT THE, UH, PEER REVIEW REPORT. UH, AND IT CLEARLY SAYS THAT, UH, IT IS, IS THE HIGHER YOU GO, THE MORE EXPENSIVE IT IS TO BUILD. AND BUILDING HOUSING ABOVE FOR, UH, 40 FEET, 45 FEET IS NOT ONLY NOT BEING LOOKED AT IN PETALUMA, THERE ISN'T MUCH OF A NEED FOR IT, AND IT'S NOT BELIEVED THERE'S GONNA BE A NEED FOR IT IN THE NEAR FUTURE. AND THAT'S NOT JUST HOUSING, THAT'S ALSO OFFICE BUILDINGS. YOU GUYS SHOULD HAVE HAD THAT REPORT ON YOUR DESKS ON MONDAY, AND IT DID SAY THAT STATUS QUO IN THIS TOWN HAS ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT BENDING TOWARDS THE DEVELOPERS. SO IF WE'RE SAYING WE WANT TO STOP STATUS QUO, MAYBE WE LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE IN TOWN, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING YOU TO DO. UH, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THAT HISTORY, UH, REVIEW THAT, UH, DEBORAH PAINTER. HOLY COW. SO THE PEER REVIEW THAT CAME OUT EXTRICATED THAT REPORT, IT SAID THAT IT WAS SO POORLY CONSTRUCTED AND IT WAS ABSOLUTELY UN GERMAINE TO ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT IT'S APPROPRIATE TO BUILD IN A HISTORIC MANNER IN THIS FASHION. AND IF YOU'RE WONDERING ABOUT THAT, MY BUILDING IS THE PHOENIX THEATER. IT'S BEEN THERE SINCE 1904. THIS REPORT WOULD ALLOW THAT BUILDING TO BE TORN DOWN. AND THE TWO BUILDINGS NEXT DOOR, 1 45 AND 1 35 KELLER STREET BUILT IN 1909, THEIR FACADES ARE STILL INTACT. AND THE BUILDING AT 1 45 WAS GIVEN AN AWARD BY THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION FOR THE RESTORATION OF THAT FACADE ACROSS THE STREET AT ONE 40 KELLER STREET. UH, THIS WAS THE FIRST EXPANSION BUILDING BUILT IN 1929 BY THE HUNT AND BARONS GROUP. THEY MOVED FROM THEIR POSITION, THEIR PLACE ON, ON MAIN STREET AND CAME UP TO KELLER STREET. SO THERE'S SO MUCH HISTORIC LEGACY THAT REALLY HAS NOT BEEN LOOKED AT, AND I THINK THAT WE'RE MOVING TOO QUICKLY THERE. THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT NEED US TO MOVE QUICK SEEMS TO BE THE HOTEL GROUP. WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF REWORKING OUR GENERAL PLAN. I THINK MOST OF US HERE WOULD LOVE TO BE A PART OF THAT PROCESS AFTER THIS WHOLE THING HAS WOKEN US UP. LET'S STICK WITH THAT. WE DON'T NEED TO HURRY. NO ONE IS LOOKING TO BUILD 70 STORY BUILDINGS IN PETALUMA AT THIS TIME, EXCEPT MAYBE ONE GROUP. SO I'M JUST SAYING, I'M ASKING, PLEASE SLOW DOWN. WE DON'T NEED TO BE IN A HURRY ABOUT THIS. THIS COMMUNITY IS VALUABLE AND THE DOWNTOWN IS VALUABLE. LET'S NOT RUIN IT BY MOVING TOO QUICKLY. AND THAT'S REALLY IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OUR NEXT COMMENT IS FROM JANE HAMILTON. GOOD EVENING. THANKS FOR BEING HERE. UH, OKAY. WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE IN FAVOR OF THE HOTEL OR THE OVERLAY, YOU STILL NEED AN EIR FOR BOTH. AND I THINK THAT'S, I HOPE THAT'S REALLY CLEAR TO ALL OF YOU OR MOST OF YOU. WE NEED AN EIR TO CLARIFY WHAT WE CAN EXPECT IN TERMS OF ALL THE MYRIAD ISSUES THAT PEOPLE BROUGHT UP AND GET AWAY FROM INNUENDO AND WISHFUL THINKING AND THE STAB IN THE DARK AND LIKE THIS IS WHAT WE HOPE IT'LL BE. YOUR JOB TONIGHT IS TO MAKE AN INFORMED JUDGMENT ON THE ISM AND D AS A SE A DOCUMENT. AND SO THAT IS WHERE THE FOCUS NEEDS TO BE, NOT AS A PLANNING DOCUMENT OR AN ECONOMIC DOCUMENT OR AS REDEVELOPMENT STRATEGY JUST AS ACA DOCUMENT. SO GIVEN THAT EVERY TOWN IN SONOMA COUNTY'S TRYING TO ADDRESS THE SAME NEEDS FOR THEIR DOWNTOWN AND NONE HAVE PROPOSED A SIX STORY BUILDING AS A SOLUTION, WHAT MAKES US THINK THAT SIX STORIES HERE ARE NEEDED FOR, BUT THEY ARE ONLY NEEDED FOR THE HOTEL. THE TWO CANNOT BE SEPARATED. WE NEED AN EIR FOR BOTH PROJECTS. THE NEGATIVE DECK REPORT DOES NOT ADEQUATELY STUDY OR ADDRESS THE OBVIOUS QUESTIONS OF PARKING, TRAFFIC CIRCULATION IN THE DOWNTOWN. AND AS THE USAGE, UM, INTENSIFIES, IT TREATS THE OVERLAY AS THOUGH IT'S MERELY SOMETHING ON PAPER AND NOT ACTUALLY GONNA GET BUILT OUT AND BE, UH, YOU KNOW, STRUCTURES THAT WE LIVE WITH. THE POTENTIAL CUMULATIVE EFFECT OF THIS ZONING CHANGE ALONG WITH PROJECTS ALREADY APPROVED, NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IN THE FULL EIR, THE NEG DECK AND THE RESPONSE TO COMMENTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN, YOU KNOW, THE STAFF MADE DOESN'T [03:25:01] ADDRESS THIS ADEQUATELY. ALTERNATIVES AREN'T ANALYZED, AND THEY HAVE TO BE, CAN WE ACHIEVE OUR GOALS FOR HOUSING AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING? THE THIS WOULD QUESTION WOULD BE PART OF AN EIR, THE REVIEW BY STRATEGIC ENNO ECONOMICS, WHICH WAS, UM, ATTACHMENT K IN YOUR PACKET STATES RELATIVELY TALL AND DENSE. MID-RISE HOUSING PRODUCTS ARE RARELY FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE TO BUILD IN PETALUMA. AND THEY GO ON TO SAY HOW THIS ISN'T GONNA HAPPEN ANYTIME SOON, OKAY? UH, THAT IT MIGHT, MIGHT BE BETTER IN THE FUTURE, BUT IT'S GONNA BE YEARS WE HAVE TIME. TO ME, THE REPORT FROM STR TO STRATEGIC ECONOMICS SAYS WE DON'T NEED TO OP TO ADOPT AN OVERLAY ZONE RIGHT AWAY. WE HAVE TIME TO ENGAGE IN A MUCH HEALTHIER COMMUNITY PROCESS TO DETERMINE WHAT WE NEED AND WHAT WE WANT AS A COMMUNITY AND HOW WE SHOULD GO ABOUT GETTING IT. THE ONLY REAL REASON TO ADOPT THESE OVERLAY ZONE NOW IS TO BE ABLE TO APPROVE THE HOTEL, WHICH REQUIRES IT. THIS IS A CONVOLUTED PROCESS SINCE WE'RE IN THE THICK OF IT AND THERE'S NO TURNING BACK. NOW, I URGE YOU TO INSIST ON A FULL EIR I'M SORRY, YOUR TIME'S UP. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NOW WE'LL HEAR FROM PATRICIA TUTTLE BRAUN. AH, YOU HAVE HEARD, UH, REALLY GOOD SMART SPEECHES BY A LOT OF PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY LISTEN TO DAVID KELLER AND JANE HAMILTON WHO'D BEEN SITTING ON COUNCIL HAVING TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS IN THE PAST. AND THE YOUNG LABOR WOMAN, I JUST WANTED TO CHEER AT WHAT SHE SAID. SHE'S NOT SAYING I WANT MORE JOBS. SHE'S USING A REASON TO NOT ALLOW A HOTELIER TO SUDDENLY CREATE A NEW ZONING PROCESS IN TOWN. I WAS INVOLVED IN THE PENAL CENTRAL PETALUMA SPECIFIC PLAN CREATION AS A VOLUNTEER. I WAS INVOLVED IN THE RIVER PLAN FOR MOST OF THOSE MEETINGS. I WAS, WE IN OUR SMALL COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, DOWN THE BOULEVARD. MY, WE HAVE A ZONING THAT WAS SORT OF HELPED CREATED BY JA, BY JANE HAMILTON. BUT WHEN A HOTELIER COMES AND SAYS, WELL, IT'S LIKE MAGIC. I FEEL LIKE WE'VE BEEN TAKEN OVER BY EXTRATERRESTRIALS TODAY. MAGIC. WE WANNA BUILD A GIANT HOTEL, THEREFORE WE WANT THESE PARCELS TO BE REZONED AND THESE PEOPLE TO BE RESPONSIBLE TO TAKE CARE OF THESE NEEDS THAT WE SHOULD ALL FEEL GUILTY ABOUT THAT WE'RE NOT PROVIDING. AND I WISH THERE WAS A LOCAL COMMUNITY GROUP AND THE GENERAL PLAN GROUP IS ONE OF THEM, BUT THERE COULD BE OTHERS THAT ARE REALLY DESIGNED TO WORK ON HOUSING WHERE I COULD BE ARGUING AND DISCUSSING AND LOVING MY NEIGHBORS. NOT A PERSON WHO WANTS TO BUILD A GIANT HOTEL. UM, URBAN CHAT, YOU KNOW, THE PERSON THAT STARTED URBAN CHAT WAS A PAID CONSULTANT FOR THE PREVIOUS GROUP THAT WANTED TO BUILD A HOTEL THERE, BUT URBAN. BUT HE'S A BIG PROPONENT OF TALL BUILDINGS. HE NEVER REALLY TOLD PEOPLE HE WAS A PAID CONSULTANT. I DON'T BELIEVE SO, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LISTENING, AND I REALLY HOPE THAT YOU DON'T LET THE CART, OR WHAT IS IT, THE HORSE, THE CART, WHATEVER THAT EXPRESSION IS ABOUT THE HORSE OF THE CART. THANK YOU. OKAY, WE HAVE ONE MORE PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT ONE THING I DO WANNA REITERATE, AND WE'VE ALMOST MADE IT THROUGH THIS ENTIRE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION, WITHOUT VIOLATING THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE, WE NEED TO STOP MAKING ACCUSATIONS ABOUT WHO PEOPLE ARE OR WHAT THEY REALLY ARE TRYING TO DO. WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE POSITIONS THAT WE HAVE ON THE OVERLAY OR THE HOTEL. IF YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THE HOTEL IN, IN PUBLIC COMMENT. BUT WE'RE NOT HERE TO ATTACK EACH OTHER WITH PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WILL ACTUALLY MAKE THIS PROCESS HARDER. I JUST WANNA BRING THAT UP. OUR LAST COMMENT IS SIAH CHASS. GOOD EVENING PLANNING COMMISSION. I'M SORRY. GOOD EVENING. PLANNING COMMISSIONERS AND HCPC MEMBERS, I'M HERE TONIGHT TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSED ZONING OVERLAY TO DOWNTOWN PETALUMA. I HEAR A LOUD OF NOISE FROM SOME COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT THERE IS NO SUPPORT OR BENEFIT FOR SUCH A DECISION. THAT IS SIMPLY NOT THE TRUTH. I'M HERE TO TELL YOU THAT THERE ISN'T FACT SUPPORT FROM NUMEROUS PEOPLE THAT NOT ONLY LIVE IN PETALUMA, BUT ALSO OWN PROPERTIES WITHIN PETALUMA AND OR WORK WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO REDEVELOP THE UNDERUTILIZED SITES WITHIN OUR DOWNTOWN, BRINGING NUMEROUS BENEFITS TO THE CITY, INCLUDING ECONOMIC GROWTH, AS WELL AS POTENTIAL FOR AN INCREASE IN HOUSING SOMETHING HIGHLY NEEDED [03:30:01] WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. AS YOU'VE HEARD, THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT THIS WILL HAPPEN. HOWEVER, I FIND IT NAIVE TO THINK THAT OUR CURRENT GUIDELINES WILL SPARK INFILL DEVELOPMENT AS THEY CURRENTLY STAND AT THIS POINT. DON'T WE NEED TO MAKE A CHANGE BY ALLOWING FOR AN INCREASE IN HEIGHT LIMITS? WE INCREASE THE ABILITY FOR INFILL HOUSING DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD'VE LIKELY NOT BEEN ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE PREVIOUSLY. AGAIN, THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT THIS WILL HAPPEN, BUT THE CURRENT HURDLES FOR DEVELOPMENT ARE NOT MAKING ANY EASIER. I HEAR OUR ARGUMENTS THAT DEVELOPERS COULD MAKE A PROJECT PENCIL WITHIN THE CURRENT STANDARDS. AGAIN, I QUESTION IF THIS IS THE CASE, WHY HAS IT NOT ALREADY BEEN DONE? THE ONLY WAY TO MEET THE SEVERE HOUSING ISSUE THAT WE'VE CR CREATED FOR OURSELVES IS TO BUILD LIKE CRAZY. THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY OF DOING THIS IS THROUGH INFILL DEVELOPMENT, BY BUILDING UP ON UNDERUTILIZED SITES, MANY OF WHICH ARE IDENTIFIED WITHIN THE PROPOSED ZONING OVERLAY AREAS. THE WAY I SEE IT URGING INFILL DEVELOPMENT RATHER THAN INCREASING URBAN SPRAWL, NOT ONLY REDUCES OUR CLIMATE IMPACT AND HELPS THE REVITALIZATION OF OUR DOWNTOWN, BUT IT ALSO IS A DIRECT WAY THAT WE CAN PROTECT THE LEGACY RANGES OF PETALUMA THAT SO MANY OF US ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT. FURTHERMORE, WE'RE SO PASSIONATE ABOUT RETAINING OUR HISTORICAL LANDSCAPE OF PETALUMA, YET WE DON'T HAVE FUNDING TO MAINTAIN OUR CURRENT HISTORICAL ATTRIBUTES, SPECIFICALLY AT THE $27 MILLION OF UNFUNDED HISTORICAL PRESERVATION PROJECTS. WHAT IS WORSE? HAVING NEWER BUILDINGS WITHIN A HISTORICAL AREA OR HAVING HISTORICAL FEATURES THAT ARE IN SUCH POOR SHAPE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY ATTRACTION. A REASON WHY SO MANY PEOPLE VISIT PETALUMA IN THE FIRST PLACE, DON'T PROJECT DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THE OVERLAY ALLOW FOR AN INCREASE IN TAX REVENUE, A WAY TO FUND THESE PUBLIC BENEFIT PROJECTS, INCLUDING THE TRESTLE AND THE RECRE FITTING OF THE MUSEUM. REGARDLESS OF HOW THIS PRO PROCESS WAS INITIATED, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY IN FRONT OF US TO ADDRESS A NUMEROUS DECADE LONG HOUSING ISSUE, AS WELL AS ADDRESS THE BLIGHTED PARCELS WITHIN OUR DOWNTOWN LANDSCAPE. BY NOT APPROVING THIS OVERLAY AND WAITING FOR THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE, WE'RE MERELY KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD. A HABIT THAT'S PUT US INTO THIS ISSUE IN THE FIRST PLACE. NO ONE LIKES CHANGE, HOWEVER, WE NEED TO DECIDE WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT, HOLDING ONTO THE PAST, ENSURING THAT THE DOWNTOWN LANDSCAPE DOES NOT CHANGE OR ALLOW FOR THE FUTURE PUBLIC BENEFIT PRODUCTS TO HAPPEN FROM THE INCREASE IN TAX REVENUE FROM NEW BUSINESSES, AND ALLOW FOR THE FOLLOWING DECADES OF HOME BUYERS TO ACTUALLY HAVE SOME PLACE TO LIVE WITHIN PETALUMA. LET'S NOT FORGET, THE OUTDATED POLICIES ARE WHAT HAVE GOTTEN US INTO THIS ISSUE OF LACK OF HOUSING AND TAX REVENUE TO BEGIN WITH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. AND WE ENDED UP GETTING ONE MORE COMMENT FROM LINDA BEFORE THE MEETING STARTED. YOU GUYS, GOOD EVENING. I WASN'T REALLY INTENDING TO SPEAK AND I'M STILL IN MY GARDENING CLOTHES AND HAVEN'T DONE MY HAIR, SO PLEASE FORGIVE ME FOR MY APPEARANCE. I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK DIRECTLY TO THE HERITAGE AND CULTURAL PRESERVATION COMMITTEE. I'M VERY INVOLVED IN THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN DISTRICT. I'VE LIVED IN PETALUMA FOR 49, 46 YEARS. I HAD A BUSINESS IN HISTORIC DOWNTOWN PETALUMA, AND FOR THE LAST 10 OR 12 YEARS, I'VE BEEN A, A DOCENT HELPING IN THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT TO PROMOTE OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT AS ONE OF THE PETALUMA'S OF YESTERYEAR THROUGH THE PETALUMA MUSEUM. I CAN TELL YOU THAT I CAN'T, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S A SINGLE PERSON ON EITHER ONE OF THESE COMMITTEES, INCLUDING OUR COUNCIL MEMBER WHO DON'T ADAMANTLY, PASSIONATELY LOVE THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN DISTRICT. AND IT IS WHAT HAS DRAWN MOST OF US TO THIS COMMUNITY. I WOULD LIKE THE HISTORIC CULTURAL PRESERVATION COMMITTEE TO THANK LONG AND HARD ABOUT THEIR RE RECOMMENDATION REGARDING THIS OVERLAY, THESE OVERLAYS, THIS CAN HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THAT DISTRICT. HOW WILL IT AFFECT OUR HISTORIC BUILDINGS? HOW WILL IT AFFECT THE APPEARANCE AND THE GENERAL, UH, LOOK OF OUR DOWNTOWN DISTRICT? I'M NOT SAYING THAT I THINK NEW BUILDINGS SHOULD BE DESIGNED TO LOOK LIKE, UH, ONE OF OUR OLD 1800 BEAUTIFUL, UH, REVIVAL BUILDINGS OR WHATEVER. I'M SAYING THAT IT SHOULD, IT SHOULD FIT IN, IT SHOULD FIT IN AND IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES THAT'S HELPED US TO BE A NATIONAL HIS ON THE NATIONAL HISTORIC REGISTER. IT IS STATED AS SUCH FOR ALL NEW BUILDINGS IN THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT. I'M ALSO, UM, BROUGHT UP SHORT BY DAVID KELLER'S COMMENTS. I HAVE A HIGH REGARD AND HIGH RESPECT FOR HIM AND HIS INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE OF THIS COMMUNITY AND HIS LOOK AT FINE DETAILS WHEN IT COMES TO THESE DOCUMENTS. I'D IMPLORE BOTH COMMITTEES TO THINK LONG AND HARD ABOUT WHAT HE SAID ABOUT WHAT'S LACKING IN YOUR INFORMATION. SO PLEASE, HISTORIC CULTURAL PRESERVATION COMMITTEE HELP US PRESERVE OUR HISTORIC DOWNTOWN DISTRICT. WE'RE COUNTING ON YOU PLANNING COMMITTEE. MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ALL OF THE INFORMATION YOU NEED BEFORE YOU INSTITUTE A A, AN OVERLAY TO A ZONING THAT WAS ALREADY PREDETERMINED BY YOUR, YOUR NEIGHBORS AND CITIZENS IN EARLIER PLANNING DOCUMENTS. I THANK YOU FOR THIS [03:35:01] CONSIDERATION AND I HOPE YOU'LL THINK LONG AND HARD ON THIS. I WOULDN'T THINK THAT YOU'D ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION THIS EVENING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND APOLOGIES TO ERIC GROSSER. YOUR CARD GOT ATTACHED TO ANOTHER CARD. THANK YOU. HELLO. UM, MY NAME'S ERIC GROSSER. I, UM, I RESIDE IN THE 500 BLOCK OF D STREET, WHICH IS BELOW SIXTH STREET TOWARD THE BOULEVARD. UM, THE ZONING OVERLAY WOULD BE A LITTLE MORE THAN A BLOCK FROM MY HOUSE. UM, I HEARD A FEW TERMS I WASN'T FAMILIAR WITH, UH, TONIGHT. UH, A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION. UM, ONE OF 'EM IS CUMULATIVE EFFECTS AND I WAS, UH, DISHEARTENED TO LEARN THAT. UM, CA UH, DOESN'T CONSIDER PARKING, UH, ISSUES TO BECOME, UH, A NEGATIVE DECLARATION. UH, CUMULATIVELY THERE'S THE, UH, OYSTER COVE PROJECT, THE D STREET CALMING, UM, PROJECT, WHICH WILL ELIMINATE PARKING IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE AND FURTHER DOWN, UH, AND UP D STREET. THERE'S THE FIFTH STREET GREENWAY. THERE'S THE OVERLAY. THERE'S THE LOSS OF VARIOUS PARKING SPACES, WHICH MAY NOT BE USED DAILY, BUT CERTAINLY DURING PARADES AND SPECIAL EVENTS. COMMUNITY, UM, EVENTS SUCH AS THE FARMER'S MARKET AT, UM, WALLET PARK, THINGS LIKE THAT. I BELIEVE THAT THE NEIGHBORS ADJACENT TO THESE PROJECTS FOR MANY BLOCKS ARE GONNA FEEL THE EFFECTS OF THE PARKING SHORTAGE AND OVERFLOW. I EXPECT IT'LL BE DIFFICULT TO HAVE VISITORS COME SEE ME. IT'LL BE HARD TO, UH, TAKE DELIVERIES, HAVE TO GET A SPECIAL PERMIT TO HAVE A, A BIG TRUCK IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE FOR, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF MAJOR WORK OR DELIVERIES. UM, IT CONCERNS ME ALSO LATELY IN OUR PAPER IN THE PRESS DEMOCRAT, THERE'VE BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT SANTA ROSA CAN DO TO FIX THEIR DOWNTOWN ROANOKE PARK'S. TRYING TO BUILD ONE. THEY'RE ENVIOUS OF OURS. IT'S VERY NICE. WE DO NEED TO DO SOMETHING WITH SOME OF THOSE PROPERTIES, BUT YOU GO TOO BIG TOO FAST, YOU CAN'T UNDO IT. SANTA ROSA IS REALLY, UM, I THINK DISAPPOINTED IN WHAT'S BECOME OF THEIR OPPORTUNITY. SO TAKE TIME, SLOW DOWN AND LISTEN TO THE CITIZENS. IF YOU TURN THIS INTO HEALDSBURG, YOU KNOW, THE HOUSES WILL BE OWNED BY PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE TWO WEEKS A YEAR AND NOBODY WILL BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO ANYTHING. THANK YOU. WELL, WE ARE AT THE END OF OUR SPEAKER CARDS. I'M JUST GONNA PUT ONE MORE CALL OUT. DID ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO BRING A CARD UP? ALRIGHT, WELL, I WILL WITH THAT CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT, AND SINCE IT'S BEEN QUITE A LITTLE WHILE, WE'RE GONNA DO ANOTHER FIVE MINUTE RECESS AND THEN WE WILL COME BACK FOR QUESTIONS. HELLO EVERYBODY. WE ARE GONNA KICK THINGS OFF IF WE CAN GET TO OUR DESIGNATED SEATS. HELLO, FOLKS. IN THE BACK I SEE A CIRCLE. I SEE A CIRCLE OF FOUR TO FIVE PEOPLE TALKING. IF YOU COULD FIND SOME SEATS, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. EXCELLENT. AND DON'T BE SHY. THERE'S A LOT OF SEATS THAT HAVE SEEMED TO HAVE OPENED UP, SO FEEL FREE TO COME UP CLOSER. . YEAH. NOW WE WILL MOVE TO THE PHASE OF THE AGENDA WHERE COMMISSION AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS WILL BE ASKING QUESTIONS OF STAFF AND THE APPLICANT TEAM. THE GOAL OF THIS SECTION IS FOR THE COMBINED COMMISSIONING COMMITTEE TO ASK MOST OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE. WE'RE NOT GONNA GET INTO COMMENTS, COMMENTS AND DISCUSSION WILL HAPPEN FOR THE INDIVIDUAL ITEMS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. AND JUST SO THE, THE PUBLIC HAS THIS IN MIND 'CAUSE OF HOW OUR PLANNING PROCESS WORKS. WE DON'T JUST VOTE ON AN OVERLAY, WE VOTE ON A ZONING TAX AMENDMENT. WE VOTE ON A GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT THAT COMES WITH IT. WE VOTE ON, UM, THE ZONING MAP, LIKE THAT'S HOW THAT BECOMES ENACTING THE OVERLAY. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE ITEMS INDIVIDUALLY, [03:40:01] BUT OUR QUESTIONS COVER THE PROJECT AS A WHOLE. SO WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH QUESTIONS NOW. ONCE WE'RE DONE WITH THAT, WE WILL THEN HAND IT OVER TO HCPC TO LOOK AT THEIR ITEM BEFORE IT COMES BACK TO PLANNING. SO THAT IN MIND, UH, RATHER THAN DOING WHAT WE'D NORMALLY DO IN PLANNING, WHICH IS FOLKS START RAISING THEIR HANDS, UH, I'M GOING TO CALL ON BOTH H-H-C-P-C MEMBER, THEN PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBER, THEN HCPC MEMBER, THEN PLANNING COMMISSIONER AND TRY AND ALTERNATE IT A BIT. AND I'M START WITH ALICE, IF HE HAS, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. THANKS. I HAVE ONE QUESTION ON, UM, SO WE HAVE THESE HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND NOW WE HAVE THE OVERLAY. DOES THE HISTORIC, UM, REVIEW, IS THIS, IS IT GONNA BE EXACTLY THE SAME FOR A, A HISTORIC DISTRICT AS IT IS FOR AN OVERLAY? AND TO RESTATE THE QUESTION, UH, VICE CHAIR AMRAN, THE QUESTION RELATES TO HOW THE HISTORIC REVIEW OCCURS TO A PROPERTY WITHIN A HISTORIC DISTRICT VERSUS HOW A PROPERTY WOULD BE REVIEWED IN THE OVERLAY. SO WE DO HAVE THAT DISCRETIONARY REVIEW FOR A HISTORIC SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, AND THAT IS THE DISCRETIONARY REVIEW THAT COMES BEFORE THE HCPC THAT WILL CONTINUE THROUGH PROPERTIES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND FOR THE PROPERTIES WITHIN THE OVERLAY WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE'RE ALMOST, UM, YOU KNOW, EXTENDING OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT IN, IN A WAY, IN, IN THE MANNER OF HOW THE AESTHETICS AND THE COMPLEMENTARY FEATURES, UH, RELATED TO THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS? YES. UH, UNDERSTANDING WHERE THE HISTORIC RESOURCES ARE, UH, THE ABUTTING OR NEAR THOSE ARE SOMEWHAT CARRIED OVER. UH, THERE'S ALSO THE LEVEL OF, UM, USE WITH THE HISTORIC COMMERCIAL DESIGN DISTRICT GUIDELINES FOR, UH, PROPERTIES WITHIN THE OVERLAY, UM, FOR THE DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE OVERLAY. UH, BUT THIS DOES NOT INCREASE THE, THE PERIMETER OF THE EXISTING HISTORIC DISTRICT. YES. RIGHT, RIGHT. I GET THAT. BUT I WAS JUST TRYING TO SEE IF, IF, UH, IF THAT DID. SO ANY KIND OF DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THOSE OVERLAYS, UM, ARE, ARE GONNA HAVE TO GET REVIEWED THROUGH, THROUGH THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. THANKS. THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTION. I THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND NEXT, HEIDI, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YES, THANK YOU, CHAIR. UM, MY FIRST QUESTION IS ABOUT, UM, THE, UM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS AND HOW THAT WOULD RELATE TO IN THE OVERLAY. SO, UM, RIGHT NOW, UM, DO, UM, IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THIS OVERLAY AND, UM, AN SSB 30 OR SB 3 35 PROJECT WERE TO COME TO BE, WOULD UM, THAT BE EXEMPT FROM THE SUBJECTIVE STANDARDS AND DISCRETIONARY REVIEW AND WOULD IT BE ABLE TO BE APPROVED? MINISTERIALLY AND COMMISSIONER BAUER, COULD YOU, UH, RESTATE THE QUESTION PLEASE? YEAH, SORRY. SO BASICALLY IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THE OVERLAY, SO SAY WE WOULD HAVE LIKE A 75 FOOT BUILDING AND, UM, IN THE OVERLAY AREA, AND THEN AN APPLICANT CAME AND WANTED TO DO AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT IN THAT AREA, DOES THAT MEAN IT WOULD BE EXEMPT FROM OUR DISCRETIONARY REVIEW? BECAUSE THOSE PROJECTS OFTEN ARE, SO THE CURRENTLY THE OBJECTIVE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR LOCK COVERAGE, UH, BUILDING HEIGHT, UM, SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, UH, FAR AND DENSITY, FAR AND DENSITY, WHICH ARE DERIVED FROM THE GENERAL PLAN WOULD STILL BE THE OBJECTIVE STANDARDS THAT ARE APPLIED TO AN SB 35 PROJECT. IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING FROM SSB 35 LAW THAT THE, THAT WITH REGARD THEN TO BUILDING HEIGHT, WHICH IF THE OVERLAY WERE TO BE ADOPTED, THEN THE ADDITIONAL BUILDING HEIGHT FROM 45 TO 75 FEET WOULD BE SUBJECT TO DISCRETIONARY REVIEW. BUT THE OBJECTIVE DEVELOPMENT STANDARD IS 45 FEET. SO A QUALIFYING SB 35 PROJECT COMPLIANCE WOULD BE WITH THE 45 FEET, THAT'S THE OBJECTIVE DEVELOPMENT STANDARD. AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO USE A DENSITY, BONUS, CONCESSION OR INCENTIVE TO GO OVER THE, UM, THE OBJECTIVE STANDARD OF 45 FEET. MM-HMM. OKAY. UM, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO DO DISCRETIONARY REVIEW ON THE TOP TWO ON THE, LIKE FIFTH AND SIXTH STORY THEN, AND NO, BECAUSE IF, IF A PROJECT SEEKS A CONCESSION, SO LET'S SAY FOR INSTANCE THAT, THAT YOU HAD A PROJECT, [03:45:01] A QUALIFYING, UM, SB 35 PROJECT AND A QUALIFIED FOR DENSITY BONUS, THEN UM, IT WOULD APPLY THAT CONCESSION AND IT WOULD RECEIVE THAT CONCESSION UNLESS THE CITY WOULD DETERMINE THAT IT WOULD NOT, UM, THAT THERE WOULD BE A PUBLIC HEALTH SAFETY OR WELFARE ISSUE, IN WHICH CASE THEN THE, THE CONCESSION COULD BE DENIED, BUT OTHERWISE THE CONCESSION WOULD BE GRANTED. OKAY. SO I GUESS IT DOESN'T MAKE THAT MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE BECAUSE AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, THOSE PROJECTS COULD COME INTO THOSE AREAS ANYWAY. THAT'S CORRECT. AND DEVELOP ANYWAY WITHOUT US, UH, HAVING ANY DISCRETIONARY REVIEW. SO THIS IS NOT CHANGING, IT'S JUST NOT CHANGING THAT. CORRECT. IT'S JUST, AND THEN, AND THEN SIMILARLY, AN SB THREE 30 PROJECT, WHICH HAS A VESTING COMPONENT TO IT, WHEN A PRELIMINARY APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED, THAT THAT VESTING COMPONENT IS ONLY FOR OBJECTIVE STANDARDS. MM-HMM. . SO, SO LIKEWISE, THAT DISCRETIONARY REVIEW WOULD BE CONDUCTED ON AN SB THREE 30 PROJECT IF THE PROPOSED PROJECT EXCEEDED THE OBJECTIVE DEVELOPMENT STANDARD OF 45 FEET. OKAY. BUT THESE, UM, AREAS ARE NOW MIXED USE. SO, UM, MM-HMM. , WOULD THESE PROJECTS BE ABLE TO, WOULD, WOULD AN SB 35 PROJECTS STILL BE ABLE TO BE PROPOSED IN A MIXED USE AREA IF THERE'S NO NECESSARILY LIKE, UM, COMMERCIAL GROUND FLOOR? I, I WOULD HAVE TO CONFIRM THAT BECAUSE MIXED USE PROJECTS CAN BE PROPOSED. UH, I, I KNOW FOR CERTAIN THAT UNDER SB THREE 30 AND AB 2162, I BELIEVE, UM, MIXED USE PROJECTS CAN BE PROPOSED, PROVIDED THAT A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE PROJECT IS RESIDENTIAL. OKAY. SO, UH, RIGHT. AND I WOULD JUST HAVE TO REVIEW AND CONFIRM THAT FOR SB 35 PROJECTS. OKAY. I'M JUST TRYING TO GET AT, TO TRY TO BE EXTRA PROTECTIVE OF THESE AREAS IS, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE IN AREAS THAT ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, SO. SURE. OKAY. UM, LET'S SEE. UM, THE, UM, I HAVE A LOT OF COMMENTS, ACTUALLY. I DON'T HAVE THAT MANY MORE QUESTIONS. UM, MY OTHER QUESTION IS, UM, ABOUT, UM, EMERGENCY RESPONSE SERVICES. UM, I KNOW A LOT OF THE FIRE, THE LADDERS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE GO TO ABOUT FOUR TO FIVE FEET. UM, I MEAN FOUR TO FIVE FLOORS, BUT DO WE HAVE ANY TRUCKS THAT CAN GET UP TO OVER FIVE STORIES, OR WOULD WE NEED TO HAVE ADDITIONAL FIRE TRUCKS? DOES ANYBODY KNOW THAT THE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CONCURRENTLY SERVICE, UM, STRUCTURES UP TO 75 FEET. OKAY. THEY DO HAVE A LADDER TRUCK, UH, AT AT STATION ONE. UM, THERE IS THE FIRE, WHEN THEY REVIEWED THE DRAFT OVERLAY INDICATED THAT, UH, AT SOME POINT, DEPENDING UPON THE NUMBER OF BUILDINGS THAT WOULD ACHIEVE THAT HEIGHT MM-HMM. WHERE A LADDER TRUCK WOULD BE NEEDED, THAT PERHAPS AN ADDITIONAL LADDER TRUCK WOULD BE REQUIRED. BUT, UM, THAT WAS NOT, UH, A FACTOR TO DETERMINE AT THIS STAGE OF THE OVERLAY REVIEW. RIGHT. OKAY. UM, MY OTHER QUESTION IS ABOUT SOME OF THE O OVERLAY AREAS. IF WE WERE TO DECIDE AS A, A GROUP HERE THAT, UM, SOME OF THE AREAS WERE NOT, UM, MAYBE APPROPRIATE FOR INCLUSION INTO THE OVERLAY, THAT COULD BE, I GUESS, UM, ASKED FOR AT SOME POINT TONIGHT AND WE COULD, THAT'S PART OF THE NEGOTIATION PROCESS TONIGHT. IT DOESN'T, IT'S NOT THAT IT'S SET IN STONE, RIGHT. THAT THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT AND WE CAN CHANGE THOSE BOUNDARIES IF WE CHOOSE, IF WE DECIDE TO. YEP. OKAY. JUST WANNA MAKE SURE. UM, LET'S SEE. UM, I THINK THOSE ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE RIGHT NOW, UH, CHAIR, JUST ONE MOMENT. I'D LIKE TO GO BACK TO VICE CHAIR OF VAN AMEREN'S. UH, QUESTION ABOUT THE APPLICABILITY OF H SPAR REVIEW. SO THE, THE REQUIREMENT FOR HSS AR REVIEW WOULD STILL BE BASED UPON IF A PROJECT IS LOCATED WITHIN A HISTORIC DISTRICT OR NOT. SO, UH, UH, HSS AR REVIEW WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED OF A PROJECT THAT IS, IS OUTSIDE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT BOUNDARY. ALTHOUGH THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS CURRENTLY DRAFTED, UM, THE PROJECT WOULD HAVE TO BE FOUND TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC COMMERCIAL GUIDELINES FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION AND WITH THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS, EVEN IF IT'S NOT SUBJECT TO HSS AR. SO COME US THAT'S CORRECT, UNLESS IT WAS WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND THAT WOULD THEN TRIGGER THE HAR REQUIREMENT THAT WOULD TAKE IT TO HCPC. I DO, I AM SORRY, I FORGOT. I DO HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION. IT'S ABOUT THE QUA ANALYSIS. UM, I REALLY, UM, IT WASN'T VERY CLEAR IN THE, [03:50:01] UM, ISM AND D WHY WE AREN'T CONSIDERING THE CUMULATIVE IMPACTS OF THE HOTEL AND THE OVERLAY TOGETHER IN TERMS OF, UM, PARKING AND TRANSPORTATION. HOW, CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE TO WHY THIS IS NOT PART OF THAT AND YOU KNOW, WHY IN THE FUTURE WE CAN IT'S OKAY TO PIECEMEAL THEM TOGETHER AND HOW, UH, SO CUMULATIVE IMPACTS IS ADDRESSED IN AN M AND D, IT'S IN THE MANDATORY FINDINGS. SO WE DO TALK ABOUT THE, UH, POTENTIAL CUMULATIVE CONSIDERATIONS. AND WHAT WE SAY THERE IS THAT, UH, CUMULATIVE, UH, DEVELOPMENT WITHIN, UH, CITYWIDE HAS BEEN CONSIDERED, UM, IN THE GENERAL PLAN AND IN THE GENERAL PLAN EIR AND THAT THIS DOESN'T, UH, EXCEED THE DEVELOPMENT CAPACITY, RIGHT. SO THE, UM, RANGE OF DEVELOPMENT CITYWIDE IS SUCH THAT THERE'S A BUFFER AND WHERE THAT ACTUALLY OCCURS CAN BE SPREAD OUT. SO WE HAVE, UM, WE DO HAVE COVERAGE FROM A CUMULATIVE ANALYSIS ABOUT THINGS LIKE UTILITIES, UH, AND TRANSPORTATION, UM, ALREADY IN OUR GENERAL PLAN, EIR, SO THERE IS A, THERE IS A CUMULATIVE ANALYSIS THAT HAS BEEN DONE, AND THIS BUILDS ONTO THAT AS WELL IN TERMS OF, UM, PARKING AND TRANSPORTATION IMPACTS. CQA HAS CHANGED AND NO LONGER ARE THOSE CONSIDERED SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS. THOSE WERE ANALYZED AND ADDRESSED IN OUR GENERAL PLAN EIR. BUT TODAY, THOSE ARE NOT WHAT IS, UM, MADE TO USE A DETERMINATION OF SIGNIFICANCE. WE NOW USE THE VMT METRIC, AND IN FACT, ONE OF THE FINDINGS FOR VMT CONSISTENCY IS, UM, NOT EXCEEDING THE PARKING STANDARD. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IN ORDER TO SAY THAT IT MEETS THE BMT STANDARD. HMM. OKAY. AND THEN THE OTHER THING I THOUGHT ABOUT ASKING IS, UM, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND HOW THERE'S THE LEVEL OF SERVICE WENT DOWN WITH PROJECT BEING ADDED. IT, IT WAS LIKE BY 0.4 SEC SECONDS AT ONE OF THE INTERSECTIONS, AND THAT WAS CONFUSING. WHY WOULD THE ADDITION OF THE PROJECT MAKE THE LOS GO DOWN? UM, SO THIS COMES UP FREQUENTLY IN TRANSPORTATION ANALYSIS. I'M NOT A A, A TRANSPORTATION ENGINEER, BUT THE WAY THAT IT'S BEEN DESCRIBED TO ME IS IT'S, IT'S SORT OF A ABSORBED WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE OVERALL INTERSECTION. SO THERE'S MULTIPLE, UM, LANES AND THERE'S MULTIPLE APPROACHES. AND SO, UH, THE OVERALL CAN CAN KIND OF SHIFT. SO, UM, THAT ONE, YOU KNOW, SO, UH, THERE'S AN OP THERE'S SOMETIMES IT DOES GO DOWN DEPENDING ON, ON THE EXACT ANALYSIS THAT'S DONE. UM, OKAY. JUST DID NOT MAKE SENSE TO ME. THANKS. OKAY. . YEAH, IT'S SUPER COUNTERINTUITIVE THAT ONE. UH, NEXT, UH, PAUL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UH, YEAH. THANK YOU. UM, FOLLOWING UP ON, UH, VICE CHAIR, UH, VAN ER'S, UH, INQUIRY ABOUT WHETHER THIS OVERLAY EXTENDS H BAR REVIEW, UM, TO PROPERTIES THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, UM, IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT, UM, HCPC IS ESSENTIALLY TRANSFERRING, UM, THAT REVIEW PROCESS TO PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, SINCE THE EIR OR THAT MITIGATED NEGATIVE DECK HAS A MITIGATION MEASURE SAYING THAT PC'S GOING TO LOOK AT, UM, COMPLIANCE WITH HISTORIC, UH, SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS AND OUR DESIGN GUIDELINES? SO IS IT FAIR TO SAY WE'RE ESSENTIALLY JUST TRANSFERRING THAT TO PC? UM, I'LL GO AHEAD AND TAKE THE LEAD ON THAT. AND, AND ISABEL, IF, IF, UH, FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN. SO, NO, I, THAT'S NOT THE CASE AT ALL. THE, THE CURRENT APPROACH WHERE THE REVIEW AUTHORITY FOR SPAR IS DETERMINED BY WHETHER IT'S LOCATED WITHIN A HISTORIC DISTRICT OR NOT, WOULD STILL BE THE, THE APPROACH. SO IN OTHER WORDS, IF A PROJECT IS PROPOSED WITHIN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, SPAR WILL BE REQUIRED, AND HCPC WILL BE THE REVIEW AUTHORITY FOR THAT SPAR APPLICATION. HENCE, WE REFER TO IT AS H SPAR. IF A PROJECT IS PROPOSED OUTSIDE OF A HISTORIC DISTRICT, THEN SPAR WILL BE REQUIRED AND THE REVIEW AUTHORITY WILL BE PLANNING COMMISSION. WHAT, WHAT THE, WHAT THE OVERLAY DOES IS RESPONDS TO CONCERNS ABOUT POTENTIAL IMPACTS TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS OR TO HISTORIC RESOURCES BY THEN CREATING ADDITIONAL FINDINGS THAT HAVE TO BE MADE THAT, THAT, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, CREATE A SENSITIVITY TO THOSE HISTORIC [03:55:01] RESOURCES IN THOSE HISTORIC DISTRICTS. AND SO WHAT WE FIND IS THAT TO, TO CREATE THAT FINDING FOR PROJECTS THAT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO SPAR, BUT REVIEWED BY PLANNING COMMISSION, THAT WE CAN DO THAT BY REQUIRING THAT THEY BE FOUND TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC COMMERCIAL DISTRICT GUIDELINES AND WITH THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS. UM, BECAUSE SPAR HAS A NEIGHBORHOOD COMPATIBILITY FINDING. AND SO WE CAN USE THOSE DESIGN GUIDELINES AND USE THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS TO GUIDE US IN MAKING THAT NEIGHBORHOOD COMPATIBILITY, FINDING AND ENSURING THAT THERE'S A RELATIONSHIP AND A LEVEL OF COMPATIBILITY WITH HISTORIC RESOURCES AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS. GREAT. THANK YOU. UM, IS, ARE WE ABLE TO ADMINISTRATIVELY UPDATE THE EXISTING HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMERCIAL DISTRICT GUIDELINES, UM, TO INCORPORATE, UM, ADDITIONAL, UM, OBJECTIVE STANDARDS? AND THIS IS GETTING TO THE POINT OF IF A PROJECT COMES IN AND THEY WANT TO LOOK AT THIS, UM, AND BASICALLY TAKE THEMSELVES OUT OF DISCRETIONARY REVIEW BY HAVING A, UM, A SB 35 PROJECT, AND WE DON'T HAVE OBJECTIVE DESIGN GUIDELINES AS PART OF THE HISTORIC, UM, DESIGN GUIDELINES, CAN WE ADMINISTRATIVELY DO THAT, YOU KNOW, IN, YOU KNOW, A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME? OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE THROUGH COUNCIL? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. UM, ISABEL, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT? YEAH. YES. IN TERMS OF WHAT WE HAVE AS THE HISTORIC COMMERCIAL DESIGN GUIDELINES, IT IS SUBJECTIVE, UH, AND IT, IT INCLUDES A VARIETY OF DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION IN TERMS OF RHYTHM FACADE, UM, UH, PLAY FOR AESTHETICS. AND THERE IS THAT, UH, INTENTION TO MAKE VARIOUS, UH, REVIEWS, VERY OBJECTIVE TO HAVE THAT, UH, REVIEW MORE OR STREAMLINED EFFECT. UH, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE, WE CAN, CAN LOOK INTO IN TERMS OF UPDATING OUR GUIDELINES, UH, FOR THE CITY IN GENERAL, UH, FOR THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND FOR OUR TWO OTHER HISTORIC DISTRICTS. UH, BUT FOR TODAY'S CONVERSATION, IT WOULD BE BASED ON THE CURRENT, UH, GUIDELINES WE HAVE FOR THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, UH, UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE IS A GENERAL INTEREST TO MAKE THEM MORE OBJECTIVE, UH, FOR THAT STREAMLINED REVIEW, UH, PROCESS. UM, SO THERE, THERE COULD BE A DIRECTION, UH, IN THE FUTURE FOR UPDATING HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES. AND JUST TO ADD TO THAT, UH, ONE SECOND, UM, JUST TO ADD TO WHAT ISABELLE STATED. SO ANYTHING, SO ULTIMATELY IT WOULD HAVE TO, TO COUNSEL FOR ANY MODIFICATION. I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE HAS BEEN A DESIRE FOR, FROM HCPC TO EXPLORE ANY POTENTIAL CHANGES. UM, AND SO AS AN ASIDE, UM, I THINK IF THAT'S A TOPIC THAT HCPC WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE FURTHER, UM, YOU KNOW, OVER THE NEXT YEAR, UM, SOMETHING WE CAN, UM, PREPARE AND BRING, UH, UH, A WORK PLAN AND PULL THAT TOGETHER, UM, AT A LATER DATE. GREAT. UM, THANK YOU FOR THE RESPONSE. UM, UH, I HAD MENTIONED EARLIER, UM, THE, UH, EIR, OR SORRY, THE MND INCLUDES A MITIGATION MEASURE THAT TALKS ABOUT COMPLIANCE WITH, UM, THE DESIGN GUIDELINES AND SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS. UH, YOU KNOW, LOOKING THROUGH THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT, I DIDN'T, MAYBE I MISSED IT, DIDN'T SEE THAT THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT INCORPORATES A REQUIREMENT THAT, UM, A FINDING HAS TO BE MADE FOR, UM, COMPLIANCE WITH THOSE DESIGN GUIDELINES AND SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS. IS THERE A REASON WHY IT WASN'T INCLUDED OR, AND IT'S JUST ONE OF THE MITIGATION MEASURES UNDER THE MND? UM, OR DID I JUST MISS IT IN, IN THE, IN THE TEXT? IS THERE A PARTICULAR PAGE THAT YOU'RE REFERENCING FROM THE MITIGATED DOCUMENT OR FROM THE RESOLUTIONS JUST TO KIND OF GAUGE YEAH, JUST LOOKING AT IT, IT WAS ATTACHMENT A, IT'S THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION FOR HCPC AND IT HAS ALL OF THE ZONING TAX AMENDMENTS AS THE EXHIBIT, UM, TO THAT RESOLUTION OR THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION. AND [04:00:01] I AM BRIEFLY JUST RUNNING THROUGH THE PAGES, UH, BUT THE INTENTION IS TO HAVE THOSE, UH, GUIDELINES, UH, REFERENCED AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS NOTED. UM, AND, UH, WE CAN COME BACK TO THAT QUESTION IF WE WANT TO FOLLOW UP WITH THE NEXT ONE. UM, YEAH, JUST A, A FEW MORE AND FOCUSED ON THE TEXT OF THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT THAT WAS, UM, IN THE PROPOSAL OR THE PROPOSED, UM, RESOLUTION. UM, LEMME SEE, WHERE IS IT, UM, UNDER THE CRITERIA TO EXCEED 45 FEET AND, UM, CRITERIA NUMBER THREE, UM, IT TALKS ABOUT ADVERSE CHANGES. AND I'M JUST CURIOUS WHY, UM, SIMILAR TEXT WASN'T CARRIED OVER FROM, UH, I, WAS IT IZO 15.070 A TWO, THAT BASICALLY TALKS ABOUT THE SAME ISSUE SO THAT WE HAVE SOME CONSISTENT TEXTS BETWEEN THE TWO ORDINANCES. NO, SAME THING AS IT RELATES TO FOUR WITH, UM, THE HEIGHT AND HOW IT TALKS ABOUT UNDULY RESTRICTED OR AS OPPOSED TO RESULT IN UNREASONABLE RESTRICTIONS. AND I DO LIKE TO STATE THAT, UH, POINTING OUT ADDITIONAL, UH, CONTENT, UH, THAT WE CAN INCLUDE TO THE AMENDMENT IS A GOOD NOTE TO REFLECT ON AND INCLUDE. UM, THE INTENTION IS TO, AND THE INTENTION WITHIN THE RESOLUTIONS WERE TO MIMIC, UH, FROM WHAT PC IS RECOMMENDING TO, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, SORRY, IN THE, IN THE CRITERIA FOR, UM, EXCEEDING, UH, 60 FEET UNDER NUMBER, LET'S SEE, THREE C, UM, IT TALKS ABOUT USE OF INNOVATIVE BUILDING SYSTEMS OR FORMS. IS ANY CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO REQUIRING LIKE A CERTAIN LEAD CERTIFICATION FOR THAT SO THAT WE HAVE A MORE OBJECTIVE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WOULD QUALIFY, UM, FOR THAT CRITERIA TO BE MET BY, YOU KNOW, A PROJECT APPLICANT? AT THE MOMENT, THERE ARE NO LEAD, UH, SPECIFICS, UH, OR REQUIREMENTS IN, IN THE PROPOSED OVERLAY. UH, IS THERE A PARTICULAR CRITERIA THAT YOU WOULD BE RECOMMENDING OR WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS? NO, JUST CURIOUS WHY IT WASN'T CONSIDERED. SEEMED LIKE IT'D BE A MORE OBJECTIVE IDEA OF WHAT AN APPLICANT COULD BRING FORWARD TO SATISFY IT AS OPPOSED TO SAYING INNOVATIVE BUILDING SYSTEM OR BUILDING EFFICIENCY. YEAH, MAYBE I CAN ADDRESS THAT. AND I'VE, UH, BEEN INVOLVED WITH ORDINANCES IN THE PAST THAT HAVE USED LEAD AS A BAR AND LEAD SILVER OR ET CETERA. AND THE, THE REASON THAT IT'S WAS OPEN-ENDED AS IT IS, IS LEAD LEAD SILVER IS NOT AS IMPORTANT OR AS POWERFUL AS IT WAS WHEN IT FIRST CAME OUT. AND SO WE WANTED TO LEAVE IT MORE OPEN ENDED TO REFLECT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WE HAVEN'T THOUGHT OF. UM, AND TO SORT OF EMPHASIZE WHY SAYING LEAD SILVER ISN'T AS POWERFUL AS IT WAS POWERFUL. AND THEN THE BUILDING CODE AND OTHER STANDARDS KIND OF CAME UP AND SORT OF ABSORBED A LOT THAT WAS ALREADY, UH, LIKE A BIG COMPONENT OF WHY LEAD SILVER WAS IMPORTANT. UM, SO I, I'M OPEN TO YOUR IDEA, DON'T GET ME WRONG. AND I WANTED SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 'CAUSE THEN YOU CAN JUST POINT AT IT AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE MEAN BY THAT. BUT AFTER SORT OF, UH, PROCESSING IT AND TALKING WITH, UM, ARCHITECTS AND, UH, WE CAME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WAS MORE JUST SORT OF A GENERAL STATEMENT. UM, BUT I'M HAPPY TO WORKSHOP WITH YOU ON, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING WE COULD PUT IN THERE TO BE RESPONSIVE. SURE. UM, AND THEN NUMBER FOUR, UNDER THAT SAME ONE, UM, THIS CRITERIA RESPECTS AND OR PRESERVES CULTURAL HISTORICAL ARCHEOLOGICAL RESOURCES THAT EXISTS OR OCCUR ON SITE OR WITHIN THE OVERLAY, IT SHOULD THAT BE A CRITERIA THAT QUALIFIES TO, TO GET THAT ADDITIONAL HEIGHT. I MEAN, IT, IT'S KIND OF A GIVEN THAT THEY HAVE TO MAKE THAT FINDING ANYWAY, IN ORDER TO EVEN HAVE AN APPROVED PROJECT. IT SHOULDN'T ALSO [04:05:01] GIVE THEM THE BENEFIT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, ACHIEVING THAT GOAL THAT THEY ALREADY HAD TO ACHIEVE IN ORDER TO GET THE, UH, INCREASED HEIGHT. ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT G FOUR COULD HAVE BEEN LISTED UNDER F AM I UNDERSTANDING IT THAT WAY? OR, I'M SUGGESTING THAT THAT CRITERION IS ALREADY BAKED INTO THE APPROVAL THAT YOU NEED TO GET TO BEGIN WITH. IF, IF PLANNING COMMISSION HAS TO MAKE A FINDING THAT, UM, THE PROJECT IS COMPLIANT WITH INTERIOR DES, OR SORRY, SECRETARY OF INTERIOR AND HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES, THEY'RE ALREADY GONNA ESSENTIALLY MAKE THAT FINDING. AND THEN IF YOU GIVE THEM THE BENEFIT OF AN APPLICANT OF SAYING YOU ALSO GET THAT AS ONE OF YOUR THREE TO GO OVER 60 FEET, YOU'RE SORT OF, THAT'S FREE DEFEATING THE PURPOSE OF MAKING IT A, A REQUIREMENT TO START OFF WITH. UM, NOTED. LET'S, UH, GIVE US SOME TIME TO THINK ABOUT THAT. UH, YEAH, AND, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING THAT F DOESN'T ASK FOR A SECRETARY OF INTERIOR COMPLIANCE AND, AND THAT'S ALSO BECAUSE F AND G OVERLAPS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND NOT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. HUH. UM, I, YOU KNOW, WONDERING MAYBE IN THAT SAME SECTION AS A, ONE OF THE CRITERIA THAT CAN BE SATISFIED OR, OR USED TO SATISFIED THAT MAYBE AN ENHANCED PUBLIC ART REQUIREMENT MAY BE PUT IN THERE, UM, YOU KNOW, IS ANOTHER COMMUNITY BENEFIT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING EXTRA THAT WE COULD ASK FOR. SO, SO THIS IS A SUGGESTION THAT WOULD FALL UNDER G CORRECT. AND WHEN YOU SAY PUBLIC ART, I MEAN THERE IS A PUBLIC ART REQUIREMENT NOW. WOULD IT BE ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT IS THE IDEA EITHER ABOVE AND BEYOND OR, YOU KNOW, I KNOW A LOT OF DEVELOPERS WILL JUST PAY THE IN LIE FEE AND NOT DO ANYTHING WITH IT, YOU KNOW, BUT MAKE IT SO THAT THEY DON'T DO THE IN LIE FEE AND THEY ACTUALLY DO IT AND APPLY IT TO THE PROJECT THAT THEY'RE PUTTING IN. OKAY. UM, I, I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. JUST TO, UH, 'CAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE HITTING ABOUT 10 30, SO JUST TO TAKE A BRIEF PAUSE ON QUESTIONS, I WANTED TO ASK COMMISSIONERS FOR A MOTION TO ALLOW US TO GO PAST 11 O'CLOCK. I'LL MOVE THAT. I HAVE A SECOND. I'LL SECOND. THANK YOU. UM, CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE FOR COMMISSIONER BAUER? YES. COMMISSIONER MOSES? YES. COMMISSIONER MCCURLEY? NO. COMMISSIONER KUSON? YES. COMMISSIONER WIMAN? YES. VICE MAYOR CATER THOMPSON? YES. CHAIR HOOPER. YES. THE MOTION IS PASSED. AND WITH THAT, WITH THAT, WE'LL GO BACK TO QUESTIONS. UM, THANK YOU PAUL. UH, NEXT ON LIST, JESSICA, UM, A LOT OF GREAT QUESTIONS ASKED ALREADY. SO I'LL, UH, KEEP IT SHORT. I'LL DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO ATTACHMENT J UM, SLIDE 43, AND I'LL GIVE YOU A SECOND TO GET THERE. UM, WHICH IS OUR, THE, THE SORT OF TABLE THAT LAYS OUT THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AS THEY CURRENTLY ARE, UM, THE JUNE VERSION OF THE OVERLAY, WHICH WE'LL IGNORE BECAUSE WE NOW HAVE, UM, THE PROPOSED TODAY OVERLAY STANDARDS ON THE FAR RIGHT. UM, AND I'M PARTICULARLY CURIOUS TO UNDERSTAND SORT OF HOW THE RUBBER WILL MEET THE ROAD ON THAT EXCEPTIONS TO HEIGHT LIMIT ALLOWED. UM, IF YOU GO DOWN TO SLIDE 45, IT EXPLAINS THAT AS IT CURRENTLY, YOU KNOW, A 45 FOOT BY RIGHT DEVELOPMENT DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO HIGHER WITH MECHANICAL. UM, BUT AS THAT TABLE SHOWS, THAT'S NO LONGER ON OFFER. AND I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS. UM, AND PERHAPS WHETHER WE OUGHT TO ADJUST IT TO BE SURE WE AREN'T HAMSTRINGING AND OTHERWISE, UM, SORT OF 45 FOOT BY RIGHT BUILDING OR EVEN, UH, 55 60 ASSUMING IT'S, UM, MEETING THE OTHER CRITERIA. BUT I I WANTED TO TALK MORE ABOUT THAT MECHANICAL, THE, THE THINKING BEHIND EXCLUDING BUILDINGS OVER 45 FEET OR BUILDINGS SUBJECT TO THIS OVERLAY IN THE CONDITION [04:10:01] USE PERMIT PROCESS, UH, EXCLUDING THOSE FROM THIS EXCEPTION FOR ADDITIONAL BUILDING MASS, WAS TO REFLECT THAT KIND OF TWO THINGS. ONE IS, AND I'LL JUST SAY IT WIZZYWIG AND I SAY THAT BY WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT YOU GET. SO IF THE PUBLIC SAYS, WELL, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA ACCEPT A 60 FOOT TALL BUILDING OR A 75 FOOT TALL BUILDING, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE. AND WITH THIS EXCEPTION PROCESS, IT OPENS UP SOMETHING WHERE THERE ARE SOME CONTROLS ON IT, IT HAS TO BE SET BACK AND IT CAN ONLY BE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE FLOOR AREA, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY CONTROL ON HOW HIGH IT CAN BE. AND SO OPENING UP THE DOOR OF TALLER BUILDINGS IN THE CITY, THE THOUGHT BEHIND EXCLUDING THEM FROM THIS EXCEPTION PROCESS WAS TO REFLECT THEN YOU'RE ONLY GONNA HAVE THAT 60 FOOT TALL BUILDING OR A 75 FOOT TALL BUILDING, AND THERE ARE WAYS TO INCORPORATE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT AND ELEVATORS AS DEMONSTRATED BY THE HOTEL WITHIN THAT 70 FOOT TALL BOX. AND SO IT WAS SORT OF A TWO THING OF, IT CAN BE DONE BY OTHER MEANS THAT WAY WE GET FLOOR AREA IN A BOX THAT IS, IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE. AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE MOST ELEGANT WAY TO SAY THAT, BUT SOMETIMES THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT'S AN AFTERTHOUGHT. AND IT'S NICE TO SAY THAT WELL, AT LEAST IT'S ONLY 25% OF THE FLOOR AREA OF THE FLOOR BELOW, BUT THEN THERE'S NO CONTROL ON THIS. AND SO IT'S THE, THE UNKNOWN IS WHY THAT WAS TAKEN OUT. OKAY. I GUESS IT'S THAT AFTERTHOUGHT THAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT THAT WE END UP WITH A FIVE STORY RESIDENTIAL BUILDING THAT WE'RE ALL LOVING AND THEN THERE'S LIKE NO WAY FOR THEM TO ADD AC OR SOMETHING. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE AREN'T, UM, PINCHING OURSELVES, UH, UH, UNNECESSARILY IN A UNIVERSE WHERE RIGHT NOW A 45 FOOT BUILDING IS, IS ALLOWED SOME OF THOSE, AND MAYBE WE RESTRICT IT AND SAY, NO SPIRES, NO CUPOLAS, BUT, BUT 25 FEET BACK, YOU CAN HAVE MECHANICAL NEEDS. I DON'T KNOW, JUST I'M MINDFUL OF THAT AND I'VE FOUND THAT, WELL, MY EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN THAT MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT EXPANDS UP ON THE ROOF BECAUSE IT'S FREE SPACE AND THOUGHTFUL DESIGNERS AND BUDGET SOMETIMES CAN ALLOW ALL OF THOSE THINGS TO HAPPEN WITHIN THE BOX THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE CITY. AND I'VE SEEN HVAC EQUIPMENT INCLUDED IN BASEMENT AREAS OR IN, YOU KNOW, IN THE GROUND FLOOR SPACES WHERE THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE RETAIL IS 16 FEET AND THEN THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE BACK WHERE THEY CAN PUT THOSE UNITS. AND, UH, NOT ALL ELEVATORS HAVE TO HAVE AN OVERRIDE. AND IT'S USUALLY CHOSEN BECAUSE IT'S, AND APPLICANTS WILL HATE HEARING THIS, BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S BECAUSE IT'S CHEAPER TO DO IT THAT WAY. 'CAUSE IT'S FREE SPACE DOING IT ON, YOU KNOW, ON THE ROOF AS PART OF THESE EXCEPTIONS. OKAY. THAT'S FAIR. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND NOW WE'LL GO TO THOMAS. ALL RIGHT. UH, ALL OF MY, UH, QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ASKED ALREADY, SO I HAVE NO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. SOUNDS GOOD. UH, NEXT I'LL GO TO DARREN. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UH, THANK YOU STAFF AND THANK YOU FOR THE GREAT QUESTIONS SO FAR. I'VE TRIED TO TRUNCATE MY QUESTIONS, BUT I ST STILL THINK I HAVE A LOT. UM, MY FIRST QUESTION TO CONTEXTUALIZE THIS WHOLE THING, 'CAUSE I, I'VE HEARD A LOT FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT TIMELINE, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF QUESTIONS SURROUNDING THAT. UM, IF THE DEVELOPER CAN, CAN YOU TELL US THE REALITIES OF TIMELINE FOR YOUR PROJECT? YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THINGS LIKE THE OVERLAY AND PEOPLE HAVE REFERENCED BROADER PLANNING METHODS OR BROADER, UH, DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY. I MEAN, WHAT'S YOUR FUNDAMENTAL TIMELINE FOR THE PROJECTS YOU'RE PUTTING FORWARD? WHAT ARE SOME OF THE CONSTRAINTS? I WOULD LOVE IF WE HAD FOREVER TO DISCUSS THIS AS A COMMUNITY, BUT I WANNA COME FACE TO FACE WITH WHAT YOU GUYS NEED AS A, AN APPLICANT. UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. UM, UM, I THINK, UM, I NEED TO THINK ABOUT EXACTLY HOW I ANSWERED THAT BECAUSE WE'RE ACTUALLY, AS IT WAS EARLIER STATED, WE ACTUALLY HAVEN'T PURCHASED THE PROPERTY. IT'S STILL, UH, THE, IN THE OWNERSHIP OF THE OR ORIGINAL OWNER, WE'RE UNDER CONTRACT TO PURCHASE IT. AND, UH, OUR, UH, PURCHASING OF THE PROPERTY IS, UM, UH, UH, ONGOING. WE'RE MAKING DEPOSITS AND, UH, OBVIOUSLY INCURRING COSTS IN TERMS OF GETTING THE PROJECT APPROVED. UM, I I'M NOT SURE, UM, IN FAIRNESS TO THE ER, WHETHER, UM, I I CAN DISCLOSE, UM, EXACTLY WHAT THOSE TIMELINES [04:15:01] ARE. BUT I, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT, UM, THERE IS, UH, AND AGAIN, NOT TO USE THIS AS A LEVERAGE POINT, BUT, UH, THERE'S VERY CONSIDERABLE PRESSURE ON, UH, PERFORMING, UH, UM, UNDER THAT AGREEMENT. WELL, I APPRECIATE THAT AND I DEFINITELY DIDN'T WANNA MAKE IT UNCOMFORTABLE, BUT I THINK IT EXPLAINS WHY SOME FOLKS HAVE FELT SOME OF THAT PRESSURE AND I THINK IT, IT MAKES SENSE IN THE CONTEXT OF THE PROJECT. UM, SO THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR THE APPLICANT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. THANK YOU. UM, I'M GONNA START WITH THE MND AND THE MOVE TO THE OVERLAY MORE BROADLY AND THE DIFFERENT AMENDMENTS. UM, I THINK THE BIG ONE THAT STRUCK ME, UH, WHEN A PUBLIC COMMENTER BROUGHT IT UP, THE COMMENTARY ON THE PLANS PLANS THE LANGUAGE SAYING THIS IS NOT FOR REGULATORY APPROVAL. IS THAT A BARRIER AND OVERSIGHT? WHAT, WHAT'S, IS THAT AN ISSUE AT ALL? DOES THAT, YOU KNOW, AS A QUA REVIEW, DOES THAT PRESENT A PROBLEM SAYING THIS ISN'T FOR REGULATORY APPROVAL, THESE PLANS, UH, NO CQA DEMANDS THAT YOU CONSIDER, UH, AND ACT ON CE Q IN ADVANCE OF, UH, TAKING ANY ENTITLEMENT DECISIONS? I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT THE PLANS. IS THAT YEAH, WELL JUST THAT VERY SPECIFIC LANGUAGE THAT THIS PLAN IS NOT TO BE USED FOR REGULATORY APPROVAL. IT JUST SEEMS FROM A THAT THAT IT WOULDN'T BE IN THE REGULATORY CONTEXT OF SQL, BUT YOU'RE EXPLAINING IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE SAME THING. YEAH. SO I THINK A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE ARE CONFUSED THAT AN ACTION OR A, UM, DECISION ON A ENVIRONMENTAL DOCUMENT IS SOMEHOW AUTHORIZING CONSTRUCTION OR AUTHORIZING A DEVELOPMENT ENTITLEMENT. AND SO MY REMARKS WERE TRYING TO CLARIFY THAT IN FACT, A DECISION ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL DOCUMENT HERE OR AT ANY TIME DOES NOT IN A ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM MANDATE A DECISION, UM, IN FAVOR OR AGAINST OF A PROJECT. IT IS A SEPARATE AND DISTINCT, UM, ACTION. AND SO WANTING TO BE REALLY CLEAR THAT WHEN YOU TAKE ACTION ON ENVIRONMENTAL, THERE IS NO CONSTRUCTION APPROVAL THAT'S BEING AUTHORIZED. IF THAT'S THE ONLY ACTION, IF YOU'RE ALSO APPROVING SPAR, THEN THAT'S A DIFFERENT GOT IT. OKAY. OKAY. I APPRECIATE THAT DISTINCTION. UM, AND SO BASED ON SOME OF THE COMMENTARY FROM, UH, COMMISSIONER BAUER ABOUT SB 35 PROJECTS IN PARTICULAR, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THEY WOULD STILL BE CAPPED AT 45 FEET. NOW, WOULD IT BE FAIR TO SAY THAT THE CURRENT OVERLAY GUIDELINES DON'T CHANGE THE COMPLEXION FOR THOSE PROJECTS, THOSE AFFORDABLE PROJECTS AT THIS TIME IN TERMS OF THEIR AFFORDABILITY OR FEASIBILITY? THEY'RE STILL GONNA BE CAPPED AT THAT FOUR STORIES WITH OUR CURRENT OBJECTIVE. UH, YES. THAT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE THE OBJECTIVE STANDARD. OKAY. UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER THING WHEN REVIEWING THE M AND D, UH, I NOTICED IN THERE, AND, AND THIS MIGHT BE SOMETHING, UH, ANYWAY, THIS, THIS IS SOMETHING I NOTICED WITH, UH, ADHERENCE TO CITY CODES, CITY DEVELOPMENT FEE REQUIREMENTS AND FUTURE DISCRETIONARY REVIEW, UH, AS SATISFYING THE REQUIREMENT TO SHOW THAT IMPACTS IDENTIFIED ARE LESS THAN SIGNIFICANT. IT SEEMED LIKE THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, I, I DON'T KNOW, IT DIDN'T, ARE THESE COMMON ARGUMENTS USED TO SAY THAT SOME IMPACT WILL BE LESS THAN SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE THEY'LL FOLLOW OUR RULES. UM, JUST WALK ME THROUGH THAT A LITTLE BIT. 'CAUSE TO ME, ESPECIALLY THE DISCRETIONARY REVIEW PART NOW, I'LL GET TO THAT IN MY COMMENTS. UM, BUT YEAH, THOSE BEING LISTED UNDER SOME OF THESE IMPACTS IDENTIFIED AS LESS THAN SIGNIFICANT OR MITIGATED, DO THOSE REALLY SERVE AS MITIGATIONS AND BRINGING THAT DOWN? 'CAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THOSE ARE THE BASELINE RULES THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW ANYWAY. YEAH, SO, UM, THE CITY UH, KIND OF ESTABLISHES THE REGULATORY CONTEXT WITHIN WHICH CEQ IS CONSIDERED THROUGH THE GENERAL PLAN AND THROUGH THE GENERAL PLAN EIR. UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, UM, IS KIND OF CAPTURED ON A VERY, UM, HIGH LEVEL VIEW, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT EVERY SINGLE PARCEL AND ANALYZING CONSTRUCTION ON EVERY SINGLE PARCEL AT THAT LEVEL. SO WHEN YOU HAVE A GENERAL PLAN AND YOU HAVE A PROGRAMMATIC, A LEGISLATIVE ACTION ON A ZONING REGULATION, UM, YOU CAN SEQ A MANDATES THAT YOU RESPOND WITH AN APPROPRIATE LEVEL OF, UM, SPECIFICITY. SO IN THIS CASE, WE HAVE TWO THINGS. WE HAVE A PROGRAMMATIC OVERLAY THAT KIND OF SETS THE FRAMEWORK AND WE HAVE A PROJECT SPECIFIC CONSTRUCTION OF PHYSICAL DEVELOPMENT. AND SO WE'VE ANALYZED BOTH THINGS HERE. AND SO WE CAN'T, UM, UNDER CE QA GO BEYOND AND SPECULATE AS TO EXACTLY WHAT THOSE FUTURE CONSTRUCTIONS MAY COME IN, WHAT APPLICATIONS WE MAY GET WITHIN THE OVERLAY. UH, AND WE HAVE A PROCESS IN PLACE THAT DEMANDS THAT THOSE BE REVIEWED IN ACCORDANCE. AND THE GENERAL PLAN SAYS THE WAY THAT YOU CONSIDER AESTHETIC IMPACTS, FOR [04:20:01] EXAMPLE, IS THROUGH THE SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW PROCESS. SO THROUGHOUT THAT DOCUMENT WE SAY THERE ARE REGULATIONS AND PROCESS THAT ENSURE THAT THOSE CONSIDERATIONS WILL OCCUR AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME WHEN THAT SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT COMES THROUGH. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YEAH. AND IN THAT EXPLANATION, IF IT WAS A SITE SPECIFIC MND, THOSE NOT, WOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE IDENTIFIED AS PROPER MITIGATIONS, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEY'RE VERY BROAD. CORRECT. SO THIS IS A DIFFERENCE AS A PROGRAMMATIC M AND D THAT THESE KIND OF BROAD CONSIDERATIONS, THE BASELINE RULES OF THE CITY SERVE TO MITIGATE IMPACTS THAT WE'RE KIND OF SUPPOSING IN THE PROGRAMMATIC. WELL, THAT'S SET THROUGH KIND OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE GENERAL PLAN PROCESS TOO, AND THE, UM, THE REGULATIONS THAT THE CITY HOLDS. SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY AFFORDED JUST THROUGH SQA, LIKE THE SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW IS REQUIRED FOR ANY DISCRETIONARY PROJECT, AND THAT WOULD TRIGGER A SUBSEQUENT CQA REVIEW. OKAY. AND SO THEN WE WOULD BE, UM, PROMPTED TO SAY, DID WE ADEQUATELY COVER IT? UM, WELL IF IT'S ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, SEVEN, SIX STORY HOTEL, WE WOULD HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, OPEN UP THE, THE SEQUEL BOOK AND LOOK AT THAT AGAIN AND SAY, WHAT ARE THE SPECIFICS OF THAT SITE? WHAT ARE THE SPECIFICS OF THIS PROPOSAL? THAT, THAT GETS TO WHAT I WAS ASKING. THANK YOU. UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A LETTER THAT CAME IN FROM LUBIN OLSSON. I FOUND IT PRETTY COMPELLING, PRETTY THOROUGH. UH, DO WE HAVE, I, I DON'T THINK WE DO HAVE A RESPONSE YET SPECIFICALLY TO THAT LETTER. DO WE HAVE A CHARACTERIZATION TO THAT LETTER HOW WE AS COMMISSIONERS SHOULD INTERPRET THAT LETTER? UM, BASED ON KIND OF THE FINDINGS THAT WE'VE MADE IN THE M AND D DOCUMENT? UH, YEAH. SO I TOUCHED ON THIS IN THE PRESENTATION. SO THE PROCESS FOR, UM, CQA AND IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW IS THAT WE GO THROUGH A, A, A DRAFT AND A PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS AND THEN WE COME BACK AND WE PROVIDE A RESPONSE TO COMMENTS. UM, AND THAT WILL BE CONDUCTED. SO WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, WE DID, UM, PRODUCE AND PROVIDE A DRAFT RESPONSE TO COMMENTS BASED ON WHAT HAD BEEN RECEIVED AT THAT TIME. SEVERAL OF THOSE. SO NOT SPECIFICALLY TO THAT OLSSON LETTER, BUT GENERALLY SEVERAL OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE RAISED ARE ADDRESSED. UM, AND SO THAT RESPONSE TO COMMENTS LETTER THAT IS DRAFT RIGHT NOW WILL BE FINALIZED AND THAT WILL, UM, WOULD GO FORWARD AT THE TIME OF ACTION ON THE M AND D. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE OF THE TIMELINES HERE, WE, WE DIDN'T HAVE ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD TO, UM, RESPOND TO EVERY SINGLE COMMENT, NOR ARE WE REQUIRED TO. BUT, UM, FOR THE, WE SEE THE IMPORTANCE OF, OF RESPONDING TO THAT. BUT WE DID REVIEW THE LETTER VERY CLOSELY. WE REVIEWED IT, UM, AT THE STAFF LEVEL AND ALONG AND ALONGSIDE WITH, UM, LEGAL AND, UM, AS I STATED IN THE PRESENTATION, THERE'S UH, NOTHING IN THERE, UH, THAT WOULD CHANGE OUR RECOMMENDATION THIS EVENING. OKAY. UH, FANTASTIC. AND THEN, SO THEN I'LL MOVE 'CAUSE WE ARE CONSIDERING THE ZONING OVERLAY AS KIND OF A, A CONCEPT WITH RELEVANT GENERAL PLAN AND, AND ZONING MAP CHANGES. UM, AND JUST AS A FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION FOR THE OVERLAY, YOU KNOW, OVERLAYS ARE KIND OF INSTANTIATED OR OR REGULATED BY CHAPTER FIVE OF OUR IZO. CAN YOU DESCRIBE THE, THE USER CHARACTER OF THIS OVERLAY THAT MAKES IT APPLICABLE? AND THE ONLY REASON I ASK IS WHEN WE SEE A LOT OF OVERLAYS, INCLUDING THE MOST RECENT, THE MOBILE HOME OVERLAY, IT WAS KIND OF PROTECTIONIST IN ITS GOALS. IT WAS DESIGNED TO PROTECT CERTAIN AREAS OF, OF A PARTICULAR LAND USE TO PREVENT THEM FROM CHANGING TOO MUCH. AND I FIND THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT OVERLAYS, A LOT OF TIMES THEY HAVE THAT GOAL TO PROTECT THE CHARACTER OR LAND USE OF A SET OF PARCELS. UM, SO FOR THIS ONE, JUST WHAT ARE THOSE CHARACTERISTICS THAT ARE KIND OF UNITING THIS UNDER CHAPTER FIVE OF OUR, IZO MY TAKE ON AN OVERLAY IS IT CAN DO AS YOU SUGGEST, WHICH IS BE MORE RESTRICTIVE. BUT I'VE ALSO SEEN THEM DO THE OPPOSITE OF, SAY, IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA, WE'RE GONNA ALLOW SOMETHING DIFFERENT. SO I DON'T, UM, AND I'M LOOKING, I'M PULLING UP CHAPTER FIVE RIGHT NOW TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WOULD LIMIT US. BUT SO FAR, YOU KNOW, WE CHOSE TO PUT IT IN THAT CHAPTER BECAUSE WE FELT THAT WAS THE BEST, BEST FIT TO, UH, ADDRESS HOW TO CHANGE THE, THE ZONING IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. UM, SO I DON'T SEE HOW, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO IN THE IIO SO FAR TO SAY THAT WE CAN'T BE MORE PERMISSIVE IN THAT WE CAN ONLY BE PROTECTION OR, UH, OR OTHER. OKAY. GOT IT. AND, AND THE CHARACTERISTICS WE DECIDED OF THIS UNDER UTILIZATION METRIC IS ENOUGH OF A UNITING CHARACTERISTIC FOR THESE AREAS TO CONSIDER THEM. LIKE, AND I KNOW WE HAVE THE CITY ATTORNEY HERE. I ASSUME THIS WOULDN'T HAVE COME FORWARD IF WE DIDN'T THINK THAT, BUT JUST TO REITERATE THAT THIS IS A UNIFYING CHARACTERISTIC THAT WE FEEL REALLY BINDS THESE PARCELS TOGETHER INTO AN EFFECTIVE OVERLAY. UM, I, I THINK WHAT THE STAFF HAVE GIVEN YOU IN THE ANALYSIS IS, UM, A, A RATIONALE, A THOUGHTFUL RATIONALE [04:25:02] FOR WHY THOSE, UH, BOUNDARIES MAKE SENSE, CAN BE VIEWED AS MAKING SENSE. AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S CODIFIED. THEY'VE JUST GIVEN YOU KIND OF A SCORING AND A RATIONALE FOR ONE WAY, FOR, FOR JUDGING WHETHER, WHETHER YOU AS, AS THE RECOMMENDING BODIES. I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE. UM, AND COMPARING OR SORT OF CATEGORIZING WHAT THE EXTENT OF UTILIZATION OF THOSE PROPERTIES WHEN THE BOUNDARIES IS. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, TO GO TO BE MORE SPECIFIC, I THINK WHAT THEY SHOWS IS SHOW IS THERE'S, THERE IS FACTUAL, UM, OBSERVABLE COMMONALITIES IN TERMS OF ONE WAY FOR DEFINING UNDER UTILIZATION THAT THOSE AREAS HAVE IN COMMON. SO IT'S, IT'S NOTHING CODIFIED. IT'S, I THINK SOMETHING TO HELP, UM, TO POTENTIALLY HELP THE, THE, THE REVIEWING BODY, UM, SEE WHAT STAFF SEE IN, IN, IN THOSE, IN DELINEATING THOSE, THOSE, UM, OVERLAY BOUNDARIES. AND THE THING I WANTED TO SAY JUST ABOUT, I MEAN, THE REASON WHY THE OVERLAY TERM IS A HELPFUL TERM IS, IS YOU CAN THINK OF IT AS A, UM, AS A, AS A CODE LAYER. IT'S A LAYER. SO IT COULD BE SUBTRACTIVE OR IT COULD BE ADDITIVE. IT COULD BE BOTH. IT'S A LAYER. OKAY. THANKS. I, I APPRECIATE SOME OF THOSE FUNDAMENTAL CLARIFICATIONS, JUST 'CAUSE WE'RE DECIDING ON IT TONIGHT. SO I WANNA MAKE SURE WE GOT THE SCOPE OF KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TO MAKE, TO MAKE A GOOD DECISION. UM, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M GONNA ASK A COUPLE QUESTIONS THAT I THINK I'VE ASKED BEFORE, AND IF THEY'RE REITERATING, I APOLOGIZE. BUT I THINK THEY'RE IMPORTANT AS A DECISION MAKER TO DECIDE IF AN OVERLAY IS MEETING CERTAIN GOALS, IS, IS SUPPORTED IN THE GENERAL PLAN. UM, SO I'LL JUST START WITH WERE ANY STAKEHOLDER GROUPS LIKE AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPERS, LIKE PEP, UH, THE S STAT TEAM, ANY GROUPS LIKE THAT LOCALLY APPROACHED WHEN IT CAME TO FORMING THE OVERLAY, PARTICULARLY SOME OF THE DESIGN ASPECTS OF THE OVERLAY. DID WE HAVE ANY OTHER GROUPS, UH, CHIMING IN ALONG WITH CITY STAFF FOR DEVELOPMENT OF SOME OF THOSE, THOSE STANDARDS? I CAN, I'LL KICK THAT OFF. UM, SO NOT SPECIFICALLY. UM, BUT WHAT I'M HOPEFUL THAT, UH, THIS EVENING'S PRESENTATION AS WELL AS ALL THE CONTENT, UM, AND DISCUSSION AND BACK AND FORTH, UM, IS PRESENTING AS, UH, COMMON THEMES, UM, OF THOSE EFFORTS. SO, UM, WHETHER IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE COMMENTS MADE WITH RESPECT TO THIS AS A ENGINE OR AN O OPPORTUNITY FOR HOUSING, UM, PRODUCTION DOWNTOWN, UM, I, I THINK IT DOES ALIGN WITH A NUMBER OF THOSE. UH, THERE'S A VERY INTENSIVE, UM, ANALYSIS IN THE STAFF REPORT WITH RESPECT TO THE GENERAL PLAN, BOTH CURRENT AND FUTURE OR ONGOING, UM, AS WELL AS, UM, YOU KNOW, OTHER, OTHER ENTITIES. SO YOU REFERENCED S STAT. AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WAS CENTRAL, UM, AS PART OF OUR CONSIDERATION, UM, AND THE DIRECTION THAT WE TOOK. OKAY. UM, AND THEN SOMETHING ELSE THAT, THAT I WAS ASKING A COUPLE MEETINGS. UM, ANY SURVEYS OR FEEDBACK FROM PROPERTY OWNERS ON AFFECTED PARCELS. AND ALONG WITH THAT, DO WE HAVE AN IDEA FOR DEVELOPMENT DEMAND, UH, IN THE CURRENT AREAS? UH, AND THAT MIGHT BE ANECDOTAL OR PEOPLE APPROACHING THE CITY, BUT JUST ANY IDEA OF DEVELOPMENT DEMAND THERE? I'D LIKE TO RESPOND IN TERMS OF, UH, COMMUNICATIONS WITH, UH, PUBLIC NOTICING. UH, SO EACH TIME THE PROJECT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD TO A STUDY SESSION, UH, THERE WAS PUBLIC NOTICING, UH, WITHIN THE PROPERTIES IN THE STUDY AREA WITHIN THE SUB AREAS AND A RADIUS OF A THOUSAND, UH, FROM THAT, UH, AND THAT IS THE NOTICING PROCEDURES, UH, STAFF IS ABLE TO COMMUNICATE IF THERE'S CONCERNS WITH INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS. UM, I'M NOT, UH, THERE HAS BEEN NO INDIVIDUAL CONVERSATION THAT I CAN RECALL AT THIS TIME WITH INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, SEEKING, UH, TO, UH, RESPOND TO THEIR PROPERTY ON, ON THIS SUB AREA. UM, IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS RELATED TO, UH, THE SECOND PART, IF YOU MAY RESTATE THAT, WELL, JUST, IF WE HAD ANY KIND OF FEEDBACK OR ANY KIND OF INCL OR INDICATIONS AT ALL OF DEVELOPMENT DEMAND IN THESE AREAS CURRENTLY, PEOPLE TRYING TO BUILD PROJECTS AND MAYBE SAYING THIS WOULD HELP OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. RIGHT. AND, AND THOSE DEMANDS FOR HOUSING ECONOMIC, UH, THOSE ARE REALLY REFLECTED FROM THE VARIOUS, UH, STATE INITIATIONS, [04:30:01] UH, IN THE PAST COUPLE YEARS, UNDERSTANDING WHERE THE HOUSING, UM, INTERESTS ARE AND THE OVERLAY IS IN, IN THAT DIRECTION TO INCREASE INTENSITY, UH, HAVE THAT, UH, CLIMATE, UH, INITIATION REDUCTION, UH, OR 15 MINUTE, UH, CITIES. SO THOSE ARE FEATURES THAT ARE PROMINENT, UH, AND ARE, UH, OF QUALITY TO CONTINUE AND SUPPORT IN THE DOWNTOWN. UH, SO THOSE ARE THOSE INDIVIDUAL FEATURES OR PATTERNS THAT WE'VE RECENTLY NOTICED, UH, FOR, UH, THE STATE IN GENERAL FOR HOUSING AND INTENSITY AND THE DOWNTOWN. SO RES RESPONDING TO BROADER KIND OF SIGNALS AND, AND MARKET SIGNALS AND DEMAND SIGNALS. GOT IT. THANK YOU. AND, UH, COMMISSIONER KUSON, I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE OFTENTIMES ARE, UH, APPROACHED DURING, YOU KNOW, PRE-APPLICATION PERIODS WHEN, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL PROPERTY OWNERS OR OR DEVELOPERS WITH INTEREST IN A PARTICULAR PROPERTY ARE EXPLORING OPTIONS. UH, AND, AND THEY'LL CONSULT WITH US ABOUT THE CITY'S, YOU KNOW, INTEREST IN DEVELOPMENT. WE ALSO OFFER, UH, DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETINGS TO, UH, PRE-APPLICATION PROJECTS SO THAT THEY CAN LEARN MORE ABOUT, UH, THE CITY'S REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS AND, UH, AND ZONING REQUIREMENTS. HOWEVER, THERE'S NOTHING THAT REQUIRES, UM, AN APPLICANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE OPPORTUNITIES. SO LIKEWISE, WE DO HAVE OCCASIONS WHERE, UH, WE'LL WE'LL HAVE A, A MAJOR SPAR APPLICATION SUBMITTED, AND WE'LL LOOK AT IT AND GO, WOW, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT THAT PROPERTY WAS ON THE MARKET OR THAT THERE WAS ANY INTEREST IN DEVELOPING THAT PROPERTY. SO THAT TO, TO SAY THAT WE DON'T KNOW OF ANY DEVELOPMENT, UM, PROPOSALS FORTHCOMING OUTSIDE OF THE HOTEL, WE CAN SAY THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW OF ANY. BUT, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THERE'S NOT OPPORTUNITIES CURRENTLY BEING EXPLORED THAT WE'RE NOT AWARE OF. OKAY. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU FOR THAT, THAT THOROUGH ANSWER ON THAT. UM, AND THEN DO WE HAVE AN ECONOMIC ANALYSIS ON THE WHOLE OVERLAY? AND, AND I GUESS I, I'VE ASKED THIS QUESTION BEFORE, AND I KNOW WE GOT THE ATTACHMENT K, THE ANALYSIS, UM, FROM STRATEGIC ECONOMICS, I'M JUST, THEY HESITATED TO DO PUT ANY NUMBERS TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THERE, PROPERTY TAX, SALES TAX, SUPPOSITIONS, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST WONDERING, DO WE HAVE ANY, ANYTHING WE CAN ATTACH TO THESE UNDERUTILIZED PARCELS, ANYTHING WE CAN ATTACH TO THE BROADER OVERLAY IN TERMS OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR ECONOMIC BENEFIT? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE BROAD LIKE CONDITIONAL ECONOMIC BENEFITS I DIDN'T FIND PARTICULARLY COMPELLING, AND I DON'T, I'M SURE THAT'S BEEN A DISCUSSION POINT WITHIN STAFF. SO WHAT, WHAT WAS KIND OF THE, THE LOGIC BEHIND THAT? OR DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, ANY NUMBERS WE CAN PUT TO IT, I GUESS? SURE. I'D LIKE TO, TO RESPOND TO YOUR QUESTION, I'D LIKE TO INVITE STRATEGIC ECONOMICS PRINCIPAL DEREK BRAUN, UH, UP TO, UH, JUST PROVIDE SOME INSIGHTS INTO HOW THE ECONOMIC ASSESSMENT MEMORANDUM WAS CONSTRUCTED, SOME OF THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT WENT INTO IT, AND, UM, AND JUST SORT OF UNPACK IT HOWEVER YOU'D LIKE TO CHOOSE. SURE, SURE. SO IF I'M HEARING YOU RIGHT THOUGH, YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS AN ASSESSMENT OF THE FISCAL IMPACTS TO THE CITY'S REVENUES OR YEAH, JUST LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THE IMPACTS OF LET'S SAY THAT, AND YOU COULD SUPPOSE KIND OF MAXIMUM TAKING MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF PARCELS, TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE INCREASED KIND OF FLEXIBILITY, CERTAIN PERCENTAGES, AND JUST HOW THAT WOULD IMPACT THE ULTIMATELY PROPERTY TAX PER ACRE OR SOME KIND OF SALES TAX IMPACT VERSUS WHAT EXISTS TODAY. UM, THAT WOULD GIVE US A LITTLE MORE, UH, SOMETHING TANGIBLE TO GRAB ONTO IN ASSESSING THE BENEFIT. UM, BUT JUST WALK US THROUGH THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE FEASIBILITY OF THAT PROCESS AND ROADBLOCKS YOU RAN INTO AND THINGS. SURE. SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THE ONE FISCAL EXAMINATION THAT WE DID INCLUDE IN KIND OF THE WAY THAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING AS WE LOOKED AT THE REVENUES THAT WOULD BE GENERATED BY THE HOTEL PROJECT, WHICH IS NOT THE FOCUS OF TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION, OF COURSE. UM, SO WHEN IT COMES TO THE OVERLAY AS A WHOLE, WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO DO WAS TO, BASED, BASED ON OUR WORK FOR THE GENERAL PLAN, THUS FAR, WE'RE PART OF THAT TEAM. UH, WE'VE COMPLETED A MARKET ANALYSIS. WE'VE COMPLETED FINANCIAL FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS OF VARIOUS HOUSING DEVELOPMENT PROTOTYPES, UH, AS WELL AS A AFFORDABLE HOUSING FINANCE ANALYSIS. UM, BASED ON THAT WORK, WE WERE ABLE TO DEVELOP FINDINGS REGARDING THE LIKELY, UH, IMPACTS ON DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY AND HOW DEVELOPERS WOULD RESPOND, UH, IN TERMS OF RESIDENTIAL OFFICE AND HOTEL, UH, DEVELOPMENT. AND, UM, SO I'M HAPPY TO WALK THROUGH THOSE FINDINGS IF YOU, IF YOU WOULD LIKE, THEY'VE BEEN REFERENCED BY A FEW FOLKS IN DURING PUBLIC COMMENT AS WELL. UM, BUT ULTIMATELY, UH, JUST BECAUSE OF TIMING [04:35:01] AND THE LEVEL OF DETAIL NEEDED TO CREATE A FISCAL IMPACT MODEL, WE DON'T HAVE A DESCRIPTION OF THE OVERALL OUTCOMES IN TERMS OF TAX REVENUES VERSUS SERVICE COSTS. I WILL SAY THERE IS A PHASE OF THE GENERAL PLAN WORK THAT IS PROBABLY A WAYS AWAY STILL, WHERE WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THAT AT THE CITYWIDE LEVEL, CERTAINLY, AND CAN PROBABLY ADAPT SOME OF THAT INFORMATION FOR THE OVERLAY. BUT IT'S, I THINK THE TIMING IS JUST NOT WORKING OUT RIGHT NOW. OKAY. UNDERSTOOD. AND, AND I DEFINITELY READ THE REPORT. UM, MY DAY JOB, I'M ACTUALLY AN ACCOUNTANT, SO I APPRECIATED THAT. UH, BUT THAT EXPLAINS WHY WE DIDN'T HAVE KIND OF HARD NUMBERS TO LOOK AT NECESSARILY. I APPRECIATE THE CHALLENGES AND MODELING GOOD NEWS. IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S KIND OF WORKING INTO THE GENERAL PLAN, WHICH WOULD BE FANTASTIC. SO, UH, THANK YOU FOR THAT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND ACTUALLY, THIS MIGHT GO ALONG WITH IT. I KNOW STAFF SAID THEY WERE ASKING FOR THIS. DO WE HAVE A READ ON OUR CURRENT PROPERTY TAX PER ACRE IN PETALUMA, IDEALLY JUST IN DOWNTOWN, AND HOW THAT COMPARES TO THE REST OF THE BAY OR NORTHERN CALIFORNIA OR WHATEVER SAMPLE SET WE WANNA USE? NO, WE DON'T YET. WE WEREN'T ABLE TO MOBILIZE QUICKLY ENOUGH AROUND THAT QUESTION, BUT, UH, WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK AT THAT FOR SURE. THE POWER OF GETTING QUESTIONS IN EARLY. I WILL LEARN ONE OF THESE DAYS. THANK YOU. UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING I ASKED IN ONE OF OUR FIRST STUDY SESSIONS, UH, ABOUT THIS WAS JUST IF WE HAD EXAMPLES OF THIS KIND OF OVERLAY WITH REALLY POSITIVE OUTCOMES WE COULD LOOK AT, AND THAT COULD BE ANECDOTALLY, THAT COULD BE CITIES THAT DID THIS JUST TO BASE OUR DECISION ON, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SUPPOSITIONS MADE ABOUT THE BENEFITS AND THEN HAVE, AGAIN, A TANGIBLE EXAMPLE TO PUT TO THAT. I THINK THAT WOULD BE PRETTY POWERFUL. HAVE, HAVE WE FOUND ANYTHING OF THAT KIND, UH, DURING THIS, THIS PROCESS? OKAY, SORRY ABOUT THAT. I HAD A BIT OF MICROPHONE ISSUE. WE, AS, AS WE LOOKED AT DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, LOCATION FOR INSTANCE, LOS ANGELES HAS, HAS QUITE A NUMBER OF OVERLAYS. THEY USE 'EM, I BELIEVE VERY, VERY AGGRESSIVELY. BUT, BUT WHAT WE STARTED REALIZING IS, YOU KNOW, THE UNI THE, THE OVERLAY IS INTENDED TO FURTHER EITHER EXPAND OR CONSTRICT DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS. AND SO IT'S RESPONDING TO A PARTICULAR OPPORTUNITY OR A PARTICULAR SITUATION. AND, AND SO THEY'RE SO CONTEXTUALIZED THAT IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT FOR US TO BOTH IDENTIFY AND OVERLAY THAT SIMILAR, BUT THEN LOOK AT THE RESPONSE THAT EVOLVED AS A RESULT OF THAT OVERLAY. UM, SO, SO WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE ANY TO OFFER. UM, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS ANECDOTALLY, YOU KNOW, PRIOR TO TO MOVING TO CALIFORNIA, I WORKED ON A SIMILAR OVERLAY, UH, FOR A UNIVERSITY DISTRICT AREA IN MEMPHIS, TENNESSEE. AND THAT HAD THE EFFECT OF, UH, GENERATING ABOUT 450 MILLION IN NEW DEVELOPMENT AT, UM, LAST CALCULATION OVER A PERIOD OF ABOUT 10 YEARS. HOWEVER, THERE WERE, THERE WERE SO MANY FACTORS AT PLAY. THE CITY WAS VERY COMMITTED IN, IN A UNIVERSITY COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP TO WORKING TOWARDS REVITALIZATION. THEY WERE VERY COMMITTED TO OFF, OFF CAMPUS STUDENT HOUSING. AND SO THERE WERE A LOT OF DECISIONS THAT THE, THE UNIVERSITY MADE AS A MAJOR INSTITUTION THAT DROVE THE RESPONSIVENESS TO THE OVERLAY AND, AND, UM, AND THE UNIVERSITY AND COMMUNITY WERE WELL SUITED FOR THAT. SO I, I HAVE THAT EXPERIENCE TO SHARE ANECDOTALLY, BUT AGAIN, IT'S A VERY UNIQUE SITUATION WHERE, UH, THERE WERE A LOT OF, THERE'S A LOT OF, OF STRATEGY AND CIRCUMSTANCES UNDERLYING THE OVERLAY. WHAT I, WHAT I WOULD ALSO ADD THOUGH, THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE THEATER DISTRICT OVERLAY THAT WAS RECENTLY, UH, EXPIRED, WAS AN OVERLAY TO EFFECTIVELY PROHIBIT THEATER. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT NO CLUE. MAYBE MY TIME'S UP. MAYBE THAT'S . WELL, THERE WE GO. TRIED AND TRUE SOLUTION. UNPLUG IT, PLUG IT BACK IN. BUT, BUT, UH, SO THE THEATER DISTRICT OVERLAY, THE INTENT OF IT WAS TO PROHIBIT DEVELOPMENT OF FIRST RUN THEATERS IN THE ENTIRE CITY FOR A PERIOD OF 20 YEARS. AND, AND IT WAS VERY EFFECTIVE IN DOING THAT BECAUSE NO FIRST RUN THEATERS WERE DEVELOPED OUTSIDE OF THE, THE CINEMAS AND THEATER SQUARE FOR, SINCE IT, IT RECENTLY SUNSETTED IN AUGUST OF THIS YEAR. SO OVERLAYS CAN BE VERY HIGHLY EFFECTIVE. UM, OKAY. WELL, AND I APPRECIATE THE FINDING AN EXACT ANALOG IS LIKE FINDING A UNICORN. I JUST THOUGHT [04:40:01] THAT WOULD BE A GREAT THING FOR DECISION MAKERS TO HAVE TO LOOK AT. SO, BUT I APPRECIATE THAT, THAT KIND OF ANALYSIS AND THAT ANECDOTAL EXPERIENCE. UM, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER QUESTION THAT I, I'VE ASKED A COUPLE, BUT JUST WHY DON'T WE HAVE VISUALS OF THE OVERLAY WITH SOME OF THESE BUILD OUTS IMAGINED? AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WE DON'T WANNA PRESUPPOSE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS, BUT I THINK IT HELPS WHEN, AND I'M I'LL TALK ABOUT IT WHEN WE LOOK AT ASSESSING, YOU KNOW, IMPACTS ON SURROUNDING AREAS WHEN WE THINK ABOUT ASSESSING, SO OUTSIDE OF THE HOTEL WHERE WE HAVE A LOT OF RENDERINGS TO LOOK AT, UM, YEAH, WHY NO THREE D MODELS OF THIS AREA. I THINK THAT WOULD ADD A LOT TO THE DISCUSSION BECAUSE IT WOULD BE SO SPECULATIVE, I THINK, AND BECAUSE THERE'S SUCH A LOT OF OPTIONS THAT ARE PROVIDED FOR THE WAY THE OVERLAY IS CHARACTERIZED. UM, THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY TOO IS THE OVERLAY IS, UM, IT'S ZONING CHANGES. WHAT'S KEY ABOUT USE OF AN OVERLAY IS THAT IT, IT'S A, IT'S AN ANTIS SPOTT ZONING TOOL TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, IT'S GENUINELY PROGRAMMATIC AND IT'S NOT PARCELS, IT'S NOT LIMITED TO JUST A SINGLE PARCEL OR USE, BUT INSTEAD IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GOT A RATIONALE LIKE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, IN TERMS OF PARCELS THAT HAVE THINGS IN COMMON IN AN AREA THAT'S, THAT'S, UM, THAT'S IDENTIFIED IN THE GENERAL PLAN, UM, TO, TO, TO BE DEVELOPED. THAT'S, THAT'S NOT BEEN SUCCESSFUL SO FAR. SO, UM, SO I THINK IT'S, THAT'S A WAY OF SAYING THAT. I THINK, UH, IT'S PROBABLY, IT'S PROBABLY MORE USEFUL TO FOCUS ON THE SUBSTANCE OF IT RATHER THAN THE METHOD OF IT. IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT IT'S DOING RATHER THAN WHAT IT IS. 'CAUSE THERE'S OTHER WAYS IT COULD JUST BE DONE JUST IN THE CODE WITHOUT AN OVERLAY FOR A DISTRICT. BUT THE, BUT WE USE OVERLAYS WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO DEAL WITH BOUNDARIES OTHER THAN ARE DEFINED IN DISTRICTS ALREADY. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S MORE, UM, SELECTIVE AND THAT'S WHY IT'S A LAYER THAT'S NOT A DISTRICT. OKAY. OKAY. THAT IS ANOTHER KIND OF VE THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER VEHICLES THOUGH, SO I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YEAH. IT COULD JUST BE A DIRECT ZONING CHANGE IF IT WAS, YOU KNOW, DISTRICT WIDE, BUT IT'S NOT. AND, AND YOU, AND WE TALKED ALREADY ALREADY ABOUT FOR WHAT OTHER BOUNDARIES ARE, ARE, ARE SUGGESTED THE WAY THEY'RE, UH, NO, AND I APPRECIATE THAT. AND AGAIN, AS, AS A DECISION MAKER, I WOULD LOVE THE EASY TOOLS LIKE VISUALS, LIKE SPECIFIC ECONOMICS. UH, SO I APPRECIATE THE COMPLEXITIES THERE. YOU GUYS ARE LAYING OUT. UM, UH, BUT YEAH. UH, SO THE LAST QUESTION I THINK I'LL ASK THEN IS JUST AS SUCCINCTLY AS WE CAN, FINDINGS, WE WOULD NEED TO FIND TO SAY NO TO THE OVERLAY AS A CONCEPT. I'VE BEEN TOLD THIS WOULD BE EITHER QUESTIONING, GENERAL PLAN COHERENCE, SOMETHING TO HEALTH AND SAFETY. IS THERE ANYTHING IN THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, AS PRESENTED AS A PROJECT, THERE NEEDS TO BE A CERTAIN WEIGHT OF EVIDENCE FROM THE APPLICANT TO SHOW GENERAL PLAN COHERENCE? OR AS COMMISSIONERS, WHEN WE'RE DECIDING ON WHETHER OR NOT TO APPROVE AN OVERLAY, UM, WHAT DO, WHAT ARE THE FINDINGS WE, WE NEED TO MAKE TO SAY NO, OR NEED TO MAKE TO SAY YES? REALLY IT'S JUST, IT'S A, IT'S A TEXT AMENDMENT. SO IT'S, IT'S THE FINDINGS REQUIRED FOR, FOR A ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT. AGAIN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UM, THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE OVERLAY IS THAT IT'S NOT A DISTRICT, IT'S A DIFFERENT PERIMETER, BUT OTHERWISE IT'S A ZONING AMENDMENT. OKAY. AND SO THE FINDINGS FOR THE ZONING AMENDMENT WOULD BE, AGAIN, JUST THAT IT CO THAT IT COMPLIES WITH THE GENERAL PLAN AND THAT IT OFFERED THE ONES THAT ARE IN, THAT ARE, THAT ARE IN IN YOUR PACKAGE. 'CAUSE THE STAFF ARE GREAT ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT ALL THE REQUIRED FINDINGS ARE LISTED AND THE FACTUAL SUPPORT IN THE RECORD FOR MAKING THOSE FINDINGS. OKAY. GOT IT. YEP. YEP. UM, YEP. I THOUGHT REITERATING IT FOR PUBLIC AND EVERYTHING, BUT I APPRECIATE THAT IT'S IN THERE. SO THANK YOU THAT, THAT, THAT'S WHY I SAID IT'S JUST A KIND OF A ZONING AMENDMENT. 'CAUSE THERE'S NO SPECIAL EXTRA APPROVAL. IT'S THE SAME AS FOR A ZONING AMENDMENT. OKAY. UH, AND THAT, OH, AND THEN THE LAST THING ON THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT, I WANT TO SEE IF WE COULD POTENTIALLY REMOVE THE LANGUAGE. I, UM, ON PAGE 15, SO PAGE 15 OF THE PDF ITSELF ON THE ZONING ON THE RESOLUTION. SO FURTHER DOWN IS THE ACTUAL ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT. I NOTICED THAT THE SUNSET PROVISION CAN BE RESCINDED BY A MAJORITY VOTE OF THE COUNCIL. UH, I LIKE THE SUNSET PROVISION IN THE CONTEXT OF THE, THE OVERLAY. UH, I'M WONDERING IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO REMOVE THAT IF, OR THAT WOULD BE PART OF OUR RECOMMENDATION AND I WOULD NEED SUPPORT, OBVIOUSLY, BUT I WOULD ASSUME THAT'S, THAT'S POSSIBLE WITHOUT VIOLATING THE INTEGRITY [04:45:01] OF THE REST OF IT. THAT'S CORRECT. SO ANY POLICY DECISIONS, UH, MADE HERE THIS EVENING OR POTENTIALLY HERE THIS EVENING, UH, WOULD JUST BE FORWARDED ON TO AS RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNSEL. OKAY. SO I'D WANT TO TRY TO INCLUDE THAT. OKAY. UH, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, WELL WITH THAT WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT PERSON, ROGER. THANK YOU. UM, I HAVE A QUESTION OF SCALE IN TERMS OF THE, UM, SIZE OF THE PARCELS VERSUS THE SIZE OF THE POTENTIAL HOUSING. UM, UH, I'VE TALKED TO SEVERAL DEVELOPERS WHO DO MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING, BOTH RENTAL AND FOR SALE. AND I SAID, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU NEED TO DO A SIX STORY HOUSING PROJECT OR WHAT'S, WHAT'S PART OF THE FORMULA? AND HE SAID, BE BECAUSE OF THE COST OF GOING SIX STORIES, ELEVATOR SYSTEMS, FIRE SAFETY SYSTEMS, UH, THE SIZE OF THE PROJECT NEEDS TO HAVE AROUND THREE OR 400 UNITS TO, TO PENCIL OUT TO GET THREE OR 400 UNITS, YOU NEED FOUR ACRES, THREE AND A HALF, FOUR, FOUR AND A HALF ACRES, DEPENDING ON THE SITE CONDITION. UM, SO THAT, THAT ALSO, I THINK AFFORDABLE HOUSING NEEDS LESS AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT KIND OF SUBSIDIZE IT. SO, UM, A CERTAIN PROPORTION OF THESE PROJECTS OF THE 400 UNITS NEED TO BE MARKET RATE HOUSING, AND THAT'S SUBSIDIZED IN CERTAIN 20% OF WHATEVER OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO THAT'S THE PACKAGE THAT THE, THAT A DEVELOPER HAS TO DEAL WITH. UM, IF, IF YOU LOOK AT THESE SITES, I MEAN, UH, SEA IS, IS, IS, UH, 25 PARCELS AND SIX ACRES, THAT WOULD MEAN THERE'S TWO PROJECTS IN SEA, TWO HOUSING PROJECTS IN SEA OF THREE OR 400 UNITS EACH. UH, THAT'S A BIG BUILDING. THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT, HUGE, UH, SCALE. IT'S NOT PARCEL BY PARCEL. IT'S NOT ONE PARCEL BUILD SIX STORES. YOU CAN'T DO IT. YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO DO IT. IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. SO I'M NOT CLEAR WE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE MARKET IS WE'RE GOING AFTER, WHAT THE PRODUCT IS THAT MIGHT GET BUILT. AND IS IT, IS IT, IS THERE A MATCH HERE? BECAUSE IT, IT JUST SEEMS, YOU KNOW, LIKE B IS IS A, IS LESS THAN AN ACRE. HOW YOU GET SIX STORIES OUT OF THAT, IT'S ONE BUILDING OF SOMETHING, UH, BUT IT'S MAY NOT BE AFFORDABLE OR, OR MAY NOT PENCIL OUT FOR THE BUILDER. SO I, I'D LIKE TO KNOW, I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE ENVISION HAPPENING. IF THEY CAN'T BUILD IT, WHAT DO WE ENVISION, UH, HAPPENING? AND THEN IF THERE'S 25 PARCELS, HOW DOES A BUILDER ASSEMBLE ONE PARCEL AT A TIME? I MEAN, THAT'S A, THAT'S A KIND OF RISKY PROCESS, UNKNOWN PROCESS. AND IT MAY OR MAY NOT WORK. SO IT'S, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A VERY DIFFICULT MINEFIELD TO GO THROUGH IF YOU ARE AN INTERESTED BUILDER TO START TRYING TO ASSEMBLE FOUR, FOUR ACRES. UH, THAT'S A BIG CHUNK OF LAND AND LOTS OF LANDOWNERS AND RUMORS SPREAD AND PRICES, YOU KNOW, SO I I I'M CONCERNED THAT WE HAVE, UH, THE INTENTION OF HOUSING. I AGREE WITH THE INTENTION OF HIGH DENSITY. I I AGREE WITH, I JUST WONDER IF THIS IS THE BEST SITE FOR IT. IF YOU LOOK AT ACROSS THE RIVER, YOU KNOW, JUST A A, A PARCEL AND A RIVER APART IS 20 ACRES OF DEFUNCT COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. THAT COULD BE A WONDERFUL SIX STORY HOUSING DEVELOPMENT WITH PARKS AND TRAILS CROSSING THE RIVER. WHY AREN'T WE LOOKING THERE FOR INTENSITY VERSUS IN THE MIDDLE OF DOWNTOWN? UH, IT WOULD HAVE LESS RESTRICTIONS ON HISTORIC ISSUES. IT WOULD'VE LESS LIGHT AND SHADOW ISSUES. IT'S, I JUST DON'T THINK, I WONDER IF WE'RE LOOKING HOLISTICALLY ENOUGH TO MAKE A GOOD DECISION. UM, THE OTHER THING IN THE ECONOMICS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE ECONOMIC DETERMINATION IS IT, UM, THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT, UH, POTENTIAL IS HARD TO PREDICT. IT'S DEPENDENT ON MULTIMODAL ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION, WHICH I THINK IS STILL UN UNDER DEVELOPMENT. MIC ROGER YOUR MICROPHONE. YOU NEED TO BE CLOSER TO YOUR MIC. OH, I'M SORRY. AND THE, UM, IT'S, IT IS DEPENDENT, THE SUCCESSFUL DEVELOPMENT IS DEPENDENT ON PLACEMAKING AND IMPROVEMENTS TO ENHANCE AREAS. DE DESIRABILITY. THAT MEANS THE PEDESTRIAN STREET SCAPE, THE STOREFRONT, THE WHOLE CORRIDOR OF THAT STREET. THE STREET IS NOT MENTIONED IN THIS WHOLE ORDINANCE. THERE'S NO TALK ABOUT WHAT KENTUCKY STREET BECOMES TO BECOME AN ATTRACTIVE ENVIRONMENT FOR SIX STORY BUILDINGS. [04:50:01] IT'S ONE PROJECT AT A TIME, ONE PARCEL AT A TIME, ONE TREE AT A TRIBE. THERE'S NO KIND OF HOLISTIC PLACEMAKING AS PART OF THIS ORDINANCE. SO I'D LIKE TO SEE HOW THAT, UH, GETS INCLUDED. UM, THE OTHER ISSUE, UM, IS RELATED TO, UM, THE CUMULATIVE IMPACTS. IF, IF THESE PARCELS ARE DEVELOPED ONE AT A TIME, YOU DON'T KNOW YOU HAVE A PROBLEM TILL YOU GET SEVERAL PARCELS BUILT. AND THEN YOU CAN'T GO BACK AND SOLVE THE PROBLEM. SO THIS WHOLE NEGATIVE DECK FOR TRAFFIC AND PARKING, I THINK IS, DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO ME. UM, AND I JUST WONDER HOW, HOW YOU CAN, UM, ESTIMATE IMPACT, BUT NOT KNOWING WHAT'S GONNA GENERATE THE IMPACT. UH, IT'S, IT, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. UM, THE OTHER QUESTION IS WHAT PROCESS, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO? OR WHAT PROCESS DO WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH TONIGHT TO, UH, REDUCE, REDUCE THE AREA CHOICE DOWN TO A SMALLER, TO A OR EVEN HALF A, A, UH, TO ALLOW THE HOTEL TO PROCEED, BUT TO REDUCE THIS OVERLAY QUESTION DOWN TO A MUCH SMALLER ISSUE AND LESS IMPACT TO THE CITY. SO, AND LET THE REST OF IT GO THROUGH THE GENERAL PLAN PROCESS WITH A MORE USER FRIENDLY PROCESS. UM, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT HAP WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DO TONIGHT TO ACHIEVE THAT, ANDREA? THE PROCESS WOULD BE A MOTION. AND WHEN IT COMES TIME FOR THAT, DEPENDING ON WHERE, WHERE THE POSITION OF THE DECISION MAKERS, WE CAN HELP, WE CAN ASSIST WITH THAT. I THINK THE, THE CARE, THE CARE THAT'S NEEDED IS TO, UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF IT'S ADDITIVE, THAT'S POTENTIALLY A PROBLEM. 'CAUSE IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN ANALYZED IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL ANALYSIS. AND IF IT'S TOO COMPLICATED THAT THAT COULD BE A PROBLEM. BUT IF IT'S JUST, UM, SUBTRACTIVE TO ELIMINATE, UM, POTENTIAL, UM, UM, OVERLAY AREAS, UM, THEN, THEN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN EASILY BE DONE IN A MOTION. OKAY. AND WE CAN ASSIST WITH THAT. AND, AND WHAT, WHAT IMPACT DOES IT HAVE ON THE SOLE EIR, THE NEGATIVE DECK AND ALL THAT? DOES IT JUST REDUCE IT DOWN TO SMALLER SITE? OLIVIA CAN ADDRESS THAT IF, BUT GENERALLY A SUBTRACTIVE CHANGE IS, IS NOT GONNA BE A PROBLEM IN, IN THIS CASE, I BELIEVE. I DON'T KNOW, OLIVIA, IF YOU DISAGREE, PLEASE. UH, NO, I, I AGREE. THE, UM, NARROWING OR, UH, LIMITING THE SCOPE, UM, TENDS TO REDUCE IMPACTS. AND SO, UH, WE CAN, WHEREVER THIS LANDS TONIGHT, THE INTENT IS THAT, UM, WE WILL CLARIFY, UH, THE DIRECTION AND BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT IN THE RESPONSE TO COMMENTS. AND THAT MAY WE UNDERSTAND THAT MAY, I'M HEARING THAT THAT MAY, UH, LOOK LIKE A, UM, CONTRACTION OF THE SUB AREAS. AND, UM, THAT'S TOTALLY SOMETHING THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED IN THE, UH, IN THE RESPONSE TO COMMENTS. THE FINAL ISM AND D I'M USING THOSE TERMS, UM, INTERCHANGEABLY HERE. SO UNDERSTANDING WE'RE, WE'RE IN A DRAFT, YOU'VE SEEN THE DRAFT INITIAL STUDY MITIGATED, NEGATIVE DECLARATION, AND BEFORE ACTION, BEFORE COUNSEL, WE WOULD PREPARE, UM, A FINAL INITIAL STUDY MITIGATED NEGATIVE DECLARATION. AND THERE'S, UH, THROUGH THAT PROCESS, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO CLARIFY THE SCOPE OF THE, UM, PRECISE LIMITS OF THE OVERLAY. AND, UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED, UH, THAT WARRANT ANY REVISIONS OR CLARIFICATIONS TO THE ANALYSIS WOULD BE, UM, PROVIDED AT THAT TIME. I, I'M WONDERING IF SINCE, SINCE YOU WERE JUST ADDRESSING THAT ISSUE, OLIVIA, IT MIGHT NOT ALSO BE HELPFUL TO ADDRESS THE CUMULATIVE IMPACT ANALYSIS QUESTION FROM THE COMMISSIONER. YEAH, I FELT LIKE I, UM, HAVE ADDRESSED THAT A COUPLE TIMES TONIGHT, BUT I HAVE, UH, MADE A HUGE NOTE HERE THAT THAT WILL BE ONE OF THE, UM, MASTER RESPONSES THAT WE ADD. 'CAUSE THAT HAS, UH, FOR SURE BEEN A THEME. UM, BUT WHAT I HAVE SAID THIS EVENING IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL OF BILL OUT WITHIN THE GENERAL PLAN, UH, IN THE GENERAL PLAN IR, AND THAT IS THE DRIVER FOR, UH, MANY OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE, IN THE, UM, IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE NEEDED, WHETHER IT'S WATER OR TRANSPORTATION, UM, UH, FIRE DEMAND SERVICES AND WHATNOT. SO, UH, THE EXPECTATION IS THAT THOSE, UM, BUILD OUT INCREMENTALLY AS THE CITY BUILDS OUT AND WE HAVE DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES, AND WE HAVE SPECIFIC PROJECTS THAT THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, CONTRIBUTE TO THOSE. SO, UH, WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF, UH, THIS OVERLAY DEVELOPMENT IS ALREADY ANTICIPATED HERE, RIGHT? SO, UM, THE DEMAND FOR WATER HAS ALREADY BEEN CAPTURED. SO NOW WE MIGHT HAVE A, [04:55:01] UM, MARGINAL INCREASE IN THAT, BUT RELATIVE TO THE TOTAL DEMAND ANTICIPATED, IT'S, UM, NOT BEYOND WHAT HAS BEEN PLANNED FOR. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO EXPRESS AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO SO, AND WE'LL PUT IT IN WRITING. , CAN I CHAIR JUST DIG A LITTLE DEEPER ON ONE OF ROGER'S QUESTIONS? UH, I WANNA GET THROUGH EVERYBODY FIRST. OKAY. AND THEN WE WILL, WE'LL DO SECOND ROUNDS, UH, RICK. GREAT. THANK YOU. UM, AND, UH, I'D REPEAT THANKS AGAIN TO, UM, STAFF, UM, ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF WORK, UH, IN PREPARATION FOR THIS MEETING. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND, AND ALSO TO, UH, ALL WHO ARE STILL HERE AND, AND MANY WHO ARE HERE BEFORE US, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT AND EXPRESSING YOURSELF AND REPRESENTING THE COMMUNITY. UM, JUST A FEW QUESTIONS HERE. UM, WANTED TO CLARIFY KIND OF IN, IN SUMMARY THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF STATEMENTS MADE IN THE STAFF REPORT ABOUT THE CONSISTENCY OF THIS OVERLAY WITH GENERAL PLAN, UM, 2025 PRINCIPLES. I WANTED TO SEE IF, IF, JUST FOR THE RECORD, THERE WERE ANY INCONSISTENCIES THAT YOU MIGHT, UM, IDENTIFY THAT, UM, UH, WE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT. I'M JUST, SO I'LL, I'LL JUST JUMP IN WHILE PEOPLE START THINKING. UM, I WOULD TAKE THE SILENCE, UM, AND JUST THINKING HERE, UM, TO SAY THAT WE HAVE DONE AN EXHAUSTIVE REVIEW OF THE GENERAL PLAN AND THE POLICIES. AND SO IF THERE WERE IN FACT INCONSISTENCIES, UM, IDENTIFIED, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD'VE, UM, RAISED, UM, THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS. OKAY. SIMILARLY, UM, SAME QUESTION AS APPLIES TO THE HOUSING ELEMENT. ARE, ARE THERE ANYTHING, IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE OVERLAY THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE WERE A LOT OF THINGS AGAIN THAT, WHICH TALKED ABOUT CONSISTENCIES BETWEEN WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE AND, AND THE HOUSING ELEMENT. ANY HURDLES THAT, UM, THAT THIS OVERLAY MAY BRING UP OR THEY'RE IN INCONSISTENT WITH THE HOUSING ELEMENT? NO INCONSISTENCIES WITH THE RECENTLY SORT OR NOW, UM, UH, CURRENT HOUSING ELEMENT. UM, IN FACT, I, I BELIEVE IT AMPLIFIES THE VISION AND THE INTENT. UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A COUPLE COMMENTS, UM, AND THAT WE'VE HEARD THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE FACT THAT THE HOUSING ELEMENT DOESN'T IDENTIFY SITES THAT NEED TO BE REZONED DOWNTOWN. UM, AND, UH, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE AND FROM ALL THE PRINCIPLES, UM, NOT JUST IN THE HOUSING ELEMENT, THE GENERAL PLAN, BOTH CURRENT AND UPDATE, UM, IT'S A YES AND RIGHT. SO THERE'S, YES, WE'VE IDENTIFIED, WE HAVE THIS INVENTORY, IT'S BEEN APPROVED BY, UM, BOTH CITY COUNCIL AS WELL AS OUR STATE, UM, COUNTERPARTS. UM, BUT THAT DOESN'T TAKE AWAY FROM THE, THE LARGER VISION THAT WE HAVE. UM, YOU KNOW, IT WITH RESPECT TO INFILL AND PROTECTING OUR URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY AND ECONOMIC VITALITY, UM, PARTICULARLY IN OUR DOWNTOWN AND PRESERVATION OF OUR HISTORIC RESOURCES. ALL OF THAT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WAS WELL CONSIDERED, UM, AS PART OF THIS, UM, PRESENTATION. OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU. THANKS BRIAN. AND I'LL JUST ADD THE, UM, GENERAL PLAN CONSISTENCY FINDINGS AND THE SUPPORT FOR THEM. AND THIS GOES BACK TO, UM, COMMISSIONER MCKESSON'S, UM, QUESTIONS ARE IN THE RESOLUTION TWO A AS AS THEY RIGHT WHERE THEY SHOULD BE. SO, AND, AND THERE'S, THERE'S A LIST OF BULLETS THAT GIVES SUPPORT FOR, IT'S NOT JUST CONCLUSORY. THEY GIVE SUPPORT FOR THE CONSISTENCY FINDING. GOT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, UH, I REMEMBER THIS, UH, I RECALL THIS FROM THE, UH, FROM THE PREVIOUS STUDY SESSION, UM, THE DISCUSSION OF THE STEP BACKS, UM, WHICH WERE A BIT UNIQUE, UM, AND ALSO MEANT TO, UH, SOMEWHAT MAKE UP FOR THE INCREASE IN THE FAR AS WELL AS THE LACK OF SETBACKS TO CREATE KIND OF A TAPERING EFFECT, UM, AND, AND REDUCE THE MASS EFFECT OF, OF, UM, A LARGER STRUCTURE LIKE THIS. ARE THERE ANY OTHER BUILDINGS, UM, THAT YOU CAN POINT TO IN TOWN, ESPECIALLY SOME OF THE LARGER BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, THE PHOENIX HOTEL, PETALUMA, SOME OF THE OTHER ONES THAT EMPLOY THAT SAME ARCHITECTURAL TECHNIQUE, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, THE COMEDIC CAN DRAW [05:00:01] ON FOR COMPARISON, BUT ALSO SPEAK TO THAT TAPERING EFFECT AND THAT LESS MASSIVE EFFECT. SO UNLESS, UH, ONE OF OUR, UM, COLLEAGUES HERE CAN PULL, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE CAN JUST DO A QUICK CHECK THROUGH SOME OF THE DOCUMENTS. UM, I'M THINKING THERE'S A COUPLE ATTACHMENTS THAT WE CAN DOUBLE CHECK JUST TO, UM, BE RESPONSIVE. MM-HMM. MAY JUST NEED A COMMISSIONER. I'M NOT, YEAH, I'M NOT AWARE OF, YOU KNOW, OF, THERE'S NONE THAT COME IMMEDIATELY TO MIND. MM-HMM. . UM, BUT I'M THINKING THAT, YOU KNOW, STEP BACKS REALLY WOULD KICK IN ABOVE THREE STORIES. I MEAN, FROM, FROM AN URBAN DESIGNING, URBAN DESIGN PRINCIPLES PERSPECTIVE WOULD TYPICALLY KICK IN AT THREE STORIES OR HIGHER. SO I THINK WHEN WE LOOK AT, UM, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT OUTSIDE OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA, WE'RE NOT SEEING DEVELOPMENT MUCH OVER THREE STORIES. MM-HMM. , UH, WHERE, WHERE STEP BACKS WOULD BE EMPLOYED AS A DESIGN TOOL, UM, YOU KNOW, TO, TO ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, BUILDING MASSING OR TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE ACHIEVING THOSE EFFECTS OF, UM, RESPECTIVE ADJACENT DEVELOPMENT AND, AND ENSURING LIGHT AND AIR AND SUCH BETWEEN BUILDINGS. SO I, IT'S, IT'S A, A HEAVILY UTILIZED AND RELIED UPON URBAN DESIGN AND ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN PRINCIPLE IN ORDER TO ADDRESS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE SEEKING TO ADDRESS HERE, WHICH IS RELATIONSHIP TO, UH, EXISTING DEVELOPMENT, BUT THEN ALSO TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS ABOUT ENSURING THAT, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING MASSING IS NOT OVERWHELMING OR THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ACHIEVING THOSE, THOSE LIGHT AND AIR, UH, GOALS, UM, FOR, FOR ADJACENT DEVELOPMENT. BUT I, IF THAT HELPS TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, BUT NONE IMMEDIATELY COME TO MIND OTHERWISE. YEAH. YEAH. SO I, I WAS PARTIALLY LOOKING FOR OTHER EXAMPLES, BUT ALSO MAYBE MAKING THE STATEMENT THAT IN FACT, YOU KNOW, THIS BUILDING WHILE TALLER WILL HAVE A MORE TAPERED EFFECT AND ALLOW MORE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, SUN ACCESS AND AND AIRFLOW THAN, THAN SOME OF THE OTHER LARGER BUILDINGS THAT, THAT WE'RE DRAWING UPON AS, AS, AS EXAMPLES JUST BECAUSE OF HEIGHT. RIGHT. THAT'S TRUE. OKAY. BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S THE VISUAL EFFECT, RIGHT? RIGHT. AND THE VISUAL EFFECT FROM STREET LEVEL. MM-HMM. . GOT IT. OKAY. UM, AND THEN GOING TO THE STRATEGIC ECONOMICS REPORT, UM, ABOUT FISCAL IMPACT, I THINK, UM, AND AGAIN, ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THE, UH, HOTEL IS NOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT, BUT USING THAT AS THE ONE EXAMPLE, BECAUSE THAT WAS DRAWN UPON. I'M WONDERING IF, IF, UM, WE CAN GET SOME KIND OF CONTEXT. I, I THINK THERE WAS A CUMULATIVE NUMBER OF ABOUT $700,000 IN, IN, UH, PER YEAR IN FISCAL BENEFIT. CAN YOU GIVE US SOME IDEA OF, IS THAT IN THE TOP 10 PERCENTILE? IS IT RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE OF DEVELOPMENTS IN THE CITY? UM, WHERE DOES THAT FALL? HOW, HOW SIGNIFICANT OR INSIGNIFICANT IS THAT? SO I THINK THIS, UH, QUESTION GOES BACK TO, UM, I THINK OUR PLANNING MANAGER HAD RESPONDED, I THINK WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME, WE WOULD, UM, BE ABLE TO CONTEXTUALIZE, UH, SORT OF WHERE IT SITS. UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A, A COMMENT ABOUT, UM, VALUE PROPOSITION AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE AMOUNT OF TAX GENERATED WITH RESPECT TO ACREAGE. UM, SO THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT. UM, MM-HMM. , I DON'T HAVE THAT ANSWER READILY AVAILABLE. UM, AND CAN YOU ANSWER IT IN BIG CHUNKS? LIKE IS IT IN THE TOP 25 PERCENTILE OR IS IT LIKE PRETTY MUCH RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE? OR IS IT BELOW THE MIDDLE? I KNOW WHERE TO POTENTIALLY LOOK. I JUST NEED OKAY. A LITTLE BIT OF TIME, BUT I CAN, I CAN LOOK. OKAY. YEAH. ALRIGHT. UM, AND I THINK THE LAST IS, IS IT'S KIND OF SIMILAR TO, UH, WHAT DARREN ASKED EARLIER, UM, BUT MAYBE PUTTING A LITTLE BIT MORE POINT ON, UM, YOU KNOW, AS RICHARD GONNA ASK ABOUT, DOES THE CITY HAVE A KIND OF LIAISON TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY TO TEST SOME OF THESE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE ATTRACTIVENESS OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS? MAYBE LOOKING AT IT A LITTLE BIT MORE PROACTIVELY, DO WE HAVE A RESOURCE IN A FUNCTION WITHIN THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT GROUP THAT ACTUALLY GOES OUT AND MORE ACTIVELY RECRUITS, UM, DEVELOPERS THAT, THAT MAY BE AMENABLE OR MAY FIND THIS TYPE OF OVERLAY ATTRACTIVE, SUCH THAT WE'RE GOING OUT AND PROACTIVELY [05:05:01] FINDING THE PROJECTS THAT WE WANT RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO BEND THE DEVELOPERS TO OUR WILL OR HAVING THEM, YOU KNOW, HAVE US BENDING TO THEIR WILL? GREAT QUESTION. UH, DEPENDING ON WHO YOU ASK, SOME WILL SAY, UM, WE DON'T NEED TO DO THAT. UM, BUT I DO THINK AS WE START TO REBUILD THIS IS, UM, YOU KNOW, LITERALLY YEAR ONE OF REBUILDING OUR DEPARTMENT, WE'VE ADDED ADDITIONAL STAFF CAPACITY. UM, YOU KNOW, UH, WE HAVE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AS WELL. WELL, UM, SO WE WORK CLOSELY WITH THEM. UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ARE EXPLORING, HOW DO WE BE, UM, MORE NOT JUST RESPONSIVE, UH, TO OUR DEVELOPER, UM, COMMUNITY, UM, BUT TO BE MORE PROACTIVE. AND SO THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, LOCAL TRADES GROUPS, UM, YOU KNOW, A NUMBER OF, UM, UH, ENTITIES AND DEVELOPERS THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY DO IT. I THINK IT'S MORE, UM, COMES DOWN TO CAPACITY, BUT SOMETHING WE'D BE LOOKING TO POTENTIALLY DO OVER THE NEXT YEAR. HMM. YEAH. GREAT. THAT'S ALL I HAD CHAIR. THANKS. THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR. I'D JUST LIKE, UM, STAFF TO RESPOND TO MR. KELLER'S COMMENTS ON SEQUENCING AND, AND NEED FOR AN EIR, WHICH A LOT OF PEOPLE BROUGHT UP. AND ALSO, UM, THE LEGAL LETTER THAT WE RECEIVED THIS AFTERNOON. SO I, I THINK THE MOST SUCCINCT RESPONSE, UM, AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING I'M KNOWN FOR , WAS ONE THAT WAS GIVEN BY OLIVIA, WHICH WAS TO SAY NOTHING IN THAT LETTER. UM, CHANGES THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. UM, I CAN ADD A LITTLE BIT TO SAY, UM, UM, THERE'S NOTHING IN IT THAT WE SAW THAT, UM, WAS SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE OF A POTENTIAL UNMITIGATED SIGNIFICANT IMPACT. IT'S MORE, UM, FRANKLY IT'S MORE PURPORTING TO REMIND US OR SCHOOL US ABOUT WHAT SQL REQUIRES. BUT THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT WE EXPLICITLY DISAGREE WITH. UM, THERE SEEMS TO BE A MISUNDERSTANDING OF THE ISSUE THAT IS REALLY UNAVOIDABLE. IT'S NOT A CHOICE, IT'S, WE VIEW IT AS A REQUIREMENT OF, OF ADDRESSING, UM, PROGRAM LEVEL OR PROJECT LEVEL CE QA AT THE SAME TIME, UM, BECAUSE OF THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE OVERLAY AND THE APPLICATION PRECISELY TO AVOID A PIECEMEALING PROBLEM THAT SQL WOULD PROHIBIT. SO THAT, THAT FIRST POINT IN THE LETTER ABOUT, UM, FUTURE NOT YET KNOWN APP APPLICANTS , UM, HAVING TO AGREE TO PROJECT LEVEL MITIGATIONS, THAT MAKES NO SENSE TO US. UM, THE SPOT ZONING, YOU KNOW, ARGUMENT, I AS HOPEFULLY IT'S CLEAR FROM MY COMMENTS ALREADY, BUT WHAT OVERLAYS DO AND WHY THEY USE THEM, UM, REFUTE THAT THERE'S, THAT'S, THAT ARGUMENT IS NOT FACTUALLY SUPPORTED OR, OR CONSISTENT WITH THE, WITH THE CASE LAW. THERE'S, THERE'S NO SPOT ZONING HERE. SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT WE COULD DEBATE HERE, BUT I THINK THE, THE, YOU KNOW, UM, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR AND WHAT WE THINK IS THE REAL IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION FOR THE CE QA FINDINGS AND THE CE Q ACTION, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S BEFORE THE, THE RECOMMENDATION THAT'S BEFORE THE BODY IS WHETHER THERE'S SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD OF A, OF A POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT IMPACT THAT'S NOT MITIGATED. AND, UM, WE DON'T SEE IT AND WE DON'T SEE IT RAISED BY, BY THIS LETTER OR, OR, OR NOR DO WE SEE, UM, DEFICIENCIES, UM, IN, IN THE ANALYSIS THAT, THAT THE LETTER PURPORTS TO IDENTIFY MIKE'S MISBEHAVING. SORRY ABOUT THAT. UM, IF THERE ARE MORE QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS 'EM, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S A SHORT VERSION HOPEFULLY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED? UM, WE'RE, WE'RE ALREADY ASKED. UM, BEFORE I GET TO MY QUESTIONS, JESSICA, DID YOU WANT TO ASK YOUR FOLLOW UP? YES, PLEASE. UM, IT, IT'S SOUNDING FROM A COUPLE OF COMMENTS, LIKE THERE MIGHT BE AN APPETITE FOR RESTRICTING THE SUB AREAS AND I'M CURIOUS IF SOMEONE COULD SPEAK TO, UM, HOW, HOW MUCH ARE WE GETTING OURSELVES INTO HOT WATER WITH, UH, SPOT ZONING IF, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CONSTRICTING THESE SUB AREAS, LIKE ELIMINATING ONE OR TWO OR OR TWO AND A HALF . YEAH. WELL I, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE JUST ELIMINATING ONE OR TWO, THE ANSWER'S NO, UM, FOR [05:10:01] THE REASONS I JUST GAVE AND THAT, THAT'S EXACTLY WHY THE OVERLAY TOOL MAKES SENSE AND THAT'S WHY THE STAFF ANALYSIS MAKES SENSE. UM, IN TERMS OF WHAT, WHAT THE RECOMMENDED, UM, PARCELS, UM, WITHIN THE OVERLAYS HAVE IN COMMON AND WHY THEY, THEY LEND THEMSELVES TO, TO BEING ADDRESSED THIS WAY IN TERMS OF ZONING AMENDMENTS. UM, I, YOU KNOW, I I, IT WOULD BE NICE TO NOT SLICE IT FINER THAN SO AS TO ACTUALLY BE, UM, I, I THINK IT RAISES POTENTIALLY MORE ISSUES TO ACTUALLY RETOOL ONE OF THE AREAS AS OPPOSED TO, UH, ELIMINATING ONE OR TWO. THANKS. ALRIGHT. UH, MOST OF MY SUBSTANTIVE QUESTIONS WERE ACTUALLY ANSWERED RIGHT OUTTA THE GATE WITH PAUL'S COMMENTS. UH, PAUL'S QUESTIONS ON THE ACTUALLY ZONING TEXT, AND THEN QUITE A FEW OF DARREN'S QUESTIONS WITH REGARDS TO THE M AND D. HOWEVER, UM, HAVING SINCE WE'VE GONE THROUGH PUBLIC COMMENT, IT, IT'S BECOME APPARENT THAT MOST PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE TIME TO READ THROUGH THE PACKET THAT WE GOT, ESPECIALLY THE AMOUNT OF MATERIALS THAT WE GOT. AND QUITE A FEW THINGS WERE COVERED IN THE PACKET. SO I'M GOING TO ASK SOME PAINFULLY BASIC QUESTIONS IN PART BECAUSE I WANT SOME OF THIS TO BE ON THE RECORD FOR, FOR KIND OF THE JUSTIFICATION BEHIND THE OVERLAY AND ALSO JUST TRYING TO BE A LITTLE BLUNT ABOUT ANSWERING SOME OF THE CONCERNS. UM, ONE THING RIGHT OUTTA THE GATE, UH, WHAT IS THE STATED PURPOSE OF THE OVERLAY? 'CAUSE WE HAD A LOT OF DEBATE OVER THE TITLES, THE TITLE MISLEADING, WHAT IS IT FOR? IT'S RIGHT IN THE, WELL, FORTUNATELY, UM, THE DRAFT ORDINANCE HAS A PURPOSE SECTION AND ODDLY ENOUGH, THE ATTORNEYS ASKED THAT WE PUT IT IN THERE. UM, EXCELLENT. I IF YOU WOULD YOU LIKE THAT I READ IT OR PUT IT UP ON THE SCREEN? YES, PLEASE. UH, READING IT'S FINE. I'LL READ IT. UM, IT IS THE INTENT OF THE DOWNTOWN HOUSING AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY OVERLAY ZONE TO FACILITATE THE DEVELOPMENT OF RESIDENTIAL USES, PROVIDE FOR ORDERLY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, ENSURE THE PRESERVATION OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS, CULTURAL RESOURCES, AND THE COMMERCIAL HISTORIC DISTRICT STRENGTHEN AND EXPAND PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY THROUGH NEW DESIGN AND LAND USE CONTROLS AND INCORPORATE SITES WITH THE GREATEST OPPORTUNITY FOR REDEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY. THE REGULATIONS ESTABLISHED FOR THIS DISTRICT SHALL APPLY TO ANY PROPERTY DESCRIBED IN THIS SECTION TO INCLUDE THE DEVELOPMENT OF NEW FLOOR AREA OR NEW BUILDINGS OF ANY SIZE. SO IN SHORT, IT'S TO ALLOW FOR A VARIETY OF DEVELOPMENTS WITHIN THE AREA TO INCREASE OPPORTUNITIES. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. UM, THEN FOLLOWING FROM THAT, UH, THERE ARE QUITE A FEW COMMENTS ABOUT WHO THE, WHAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THE OVERLAY CATERS TO. UM, SPECIFICALLY, AND I THINK THIS, I SUSPECT TO KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS. UM, WHAT BUSINESSES WOULD THIS OVERLAY CA CATER TO? OR IS IT TRULY A BROAD DEFINITION? WELL, I THINK ASIDE FROM LOOKING AT THE PEDESTRIAN ACTIVATION ZONES, THERE ISN'T A LAND USE MENTIONED. SO IT COULD BE ANYTHING. THANK YOU. UM, OUTSIDE OF, OUTSIDE OF THE HEIGHT INCREASE AND THE FAR EXPANSION, UH, IS THERE ANYTHING ABOUT THIS OVERLAY AND ALSO OUTSIDE OF THE FACT THAT YES, THIS WAS ALL INITIATED BY THE HOTEL APPLICANT, IS THERE ANYTHING ABOUT THE OVERLAY THAT ACTUALLY CATERS TO A HOTEL BEYOND THE HEIGHT AND BEYOND ESSENTIALLY THE SPACE DENSITY INCREASE? I, I WOULDN'T SAY SO. I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE FINDINGS TO GO ABOVE THE HEIGHT, THERE ISN'T ANYTHING THAT, TO ME THAT SAYS IT, IT CATERS TO A, A HOTEL LAND USE OR BUILDING FORM, YOU KNOW, AND FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S A CRITERIA OF HAVING AFFORDABLE HOUSING. TYPICALLY HOTELS DO NOT OFFER THAT. UM, SO I MEAN, HOTEL ISN'T MENTIONED AND IT'S, YOU COULD SAY IT'S INTENTIONAL BECAUSE IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE ABOUT THE HOTEL, IT'S ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN. THANK YOU. HOW, HOW WILL THIS OVERLAY SUPPORT THE POSSIBILITY OF HOUSING AND OUTSIDE OF THE REQUESTS OUTSIDE OF THE CALL FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING? IS IT REALLY FOCUSED ON CREATING AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR JUST INCREASING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR HOUSING AS A WHOLE? I THINK ALLOWING THE GROUND FLOOR RESIDENTIAL IN AN AREA WHERE IT DOESN'T ALLOW, IT COULD OP, I, I BELIEVE IT'LL OP OPEN UP OPPORTUNITIES FOR MORE HOUSING BECAUSE THERE MAY BE SOMEONE OUT THERE THAT THEY'RE BUILDING TYPE IS ONLY HOUSING AND THEY LOOK AT THE DOWNTOWN, LIKE IN SUB AREA SEA AND THINK, WELL, THAT'D BE A GREAT PLACE FOR IT. OH, I HAVE TO DO MIXED USE. MM-HMM. , I HAVE TO GO HIRE, YOU KNOW, I CAN HAVE THE HOUSING PRODUCT THAT I WANT, BUT IT HAS TO BE A MULTI-STORY BUILDING BECAUSE IT'S NOT ALLOWED ON THE GROUND FLOOR. [05:15:01] OR YOU GET, YOU KNOW, A BUILDING TYPE OR, UH, THE ONLY LAND USE ON THE GROUND FLOORS PARKING AND THE HOUSING'S ABOVE. SO I THINK BY ALLOWING GROUND FLOOR HOUSING IN THESE NON PEDESTRIAN ACTIVATION ZONES COULD FACILITATE HOUSING WHERE IT ISN'T ALLOWED NOW. 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S REMOVING A CONSTRAINT SIMPLY. AND AT NO POINT HAS THE CITY OR STAFF AT ANY OF OUR HEARINGS OR AT ANY OF THE, UH, COMMUNITY MEETINGS, NOBODY'S ACTUALLY PROPOSED THAT. OH, THE INTENTION IS THIS IS GOING TO CREATE AN EXPLOSION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT IN THE DOWNTOWN. CORRECT. I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT. THANK YOU. I JUST, QUITE A FEW COMMENTS AND I'M JUST TRYING TO GET CLARITY ON INCIDENT BEEN SAID OR NOT SAID. GIVEN THE PRESSURES ON THE CITY TO PROVIDE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR THE HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT. MM-HMM. IT WOULDN'T BE SUCH A BAD THING. NO, JUST TO BE CLEAR, I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THAT HAPPENING SO MUCH AS THERE SEEMS TO BE A PERCEPTION THAT THE CITY IS TRYING TO CREATE A FALSE PREMISE FOR THIS. THAT THIS IS JUST AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT PLOY WHEN IT WOULDN'T WORK. AND THE POINT I'M TRYING TO GET ACROSS IS I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER SEEN ANY OF THE DOCUMENTATION AND YOU'VE JUST VERIFIED, I'VE NEVER ONCE HEARD ANYBODY FROM THE CITY SAY THAT WAS THE GOAL, EVEN THOUGH IT WOULD BE A GREAT BENEFIT IN THE FIRST PLACE. CONSIDERING THE WIDE USE THAT THIS ALLOWS FOR, UM, WHAT WILL THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS REALISTICALLY REJECT? I'M SORRY. WHAT WOULD THEY REJECT? SO FOR THE FIVE AND SIX STORIES, WHAT WILL THEY ALLOW US TO REJECT AS A, AS A PLANNING COMMISSION AS A CITY? I APOLOGIZE FOR HOW BROAD THAT QUESTION IS, BUT I JUST, I WANNA GET IT OUT CLEANLY. 'CAUSE I THINK WE'VE BEEN TALKING IN TERMINOLOGY THAT WORKS FOR US BUT ISN'T EASILY ACCESSIBLE. GREG, I'LL START IT. MAYBE. UM, THEY ALLOWED, UM, REJECTING, IN FACT THEY WOULD REQUIRE REJECTING, UH, APPLICATIONS THAT DON'T MEET THE REQUIRED FINDINGS THAT ARE LISTED. AND WE CAN GO THROUGH THOSE IF YOU LIKE. I'M NOT TRYING TO BE GLIB ABOUT THAT. IF YOU COULD GO THROUGH THE FINDINGS AGAIN. I WANT THIS JUST SURE. SO, UM, PLAINLY SPOKEN ON RECORD, SO LIKE FOR THE CRITERIA TO EXCEED 45 FEET, PARAGRAPH F IT SAYS THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAY APPROVE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL HEIGHT UP TO 60 FEET PURSUANT TO THE FINDINGS LISTED IN THIS SECTION IE UPON MAKING THOSE FINDINGS. UM, AND THE REVIEW CRITERIA SET FORTH IN SECTION TWO, 4.060 E, SO THAT'S ADDITIONAL HEIGHTS CONSISTENT WITH APPLICABLE PURPOSES OF THE OVERLAY, WHICH DOES, THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY WE WANTED TO HAVE A PURPOSE. THE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT MAKES A POSITIVE CONTRIBUTION TO THE OVERALL CHARACTER OF THE AREA. THE BUILDING WILL BE COMPATIBLE WITH ITS SURROUNDINGS. AND THEN THERE'S A DEFINITION FOR PURPOSES OF THIS SECTION WITH OF POSITIVE CONTRIBUTION AND COMPATIBILITY. 'CAUSE OTHERWISE THAT'S OBVIOUSLY PRETTY SQUISHY THAT THE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT WOULD NOT CAUSE AN ADVERSE CHANGE IN THE SIGNIFICANCE OR INTEGRITY OF A HISTORIC RESOURCE THAT'S ON SITE OR ADJACENT TO THE SITE. UM, BECAUSE REMEMBER, YOU KNOW, WELL HOPEFULLY IT'S CLEAR THAT THESE FINDINGS AND THE COP REQUIREMENT ARE DESIGNED SO THAT, UM, EXCEEDING THE OTHERWISE APPLICABLE HEIGHT LIMITS A IS DISCRETIONARY CAN'T BE MANDATED. MM-HMM. , UM, AND B, IT'S NOT GONNA HAVE DELETERIOUS EFFECTS. MM-HMM. . UM, SO CONTINUING ON, UM, THE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT WILL NOT UNDULY RESTRICT ACCESS TO LIGHT AND AIR FROM ADJACENT PROPERTIES OR THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY OR OTHERWISE BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE. AND THE BUILDING DESIGN EXPRESSES A RELATIONSHIP TO AN EXISTING DATUM LINE OR LINES OF THE STREET WHILE A ADJACENT HISTORIC RESOURCE, IF ANY, WHICH E EVEN FOR ME, THAT PLANNING SPEAK IS A LITTLE CONFUSING. AND I THINK IT MEANS THERE'S HORIZONTAL REFERENCES TO, TO, TO, UM, OTHER STRUCTURES IN TERMS OF HORIZONTAL LINES IN THE DESIGN. AND THEN THERE'S STRUCTURALLY THE CRITERIA TO EXCEED 60 FEET WORKING THE SAME WAY THE FINDINGS HAVE TO BE MADE. AND IF THEY CAN'T BE MADE THE HEIGHT, HEIGHT, UM, EXCEEDANCE CAN'T BE PERMITTED. SO, SO TWO, TWO KEY THINGS. ONE, UM, THE, UM, PRO PROJECTS EXTENDING TO THOSE HEIGHTS, UM, ARE DISCRETIONARY, THE APPROVAL IS DISCRETIONARY AND, UM, ONLY IN CASE THE FINDINGS ARE MADE BY THE, BY THE APPROVING BODY. THANKS GREG. I DIDN'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF. YOU MAY HAVE MORE TO ADD, SO FEEL FREE. NOT AT THE MOMENT. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR GOING ALONG THAT PATH WITH ME. CHAIR, CHAIR. I WOULD, I THINK THAT I WOULD LIKE [05:20:01] TO SUMMARIZE BECAUSE I'M, I REALLY, I, I'VE REALLY BEEN INTRIGUED BY THE, THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING THE OVERLAY AND HOW WE WENT ABOUT, UM, CREATING THESE ADDITIONAL FINDINGS. SO I THINK IN RE I, I, FROM ONE PERSPECTIVE, I WOULD SAY THAT WHAT DOES IT ALLOW US TO REJECT? IT ALLOWS US TO REJECT PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT THAT CLEARLY DOES NOT RELATE MEANINGFULLY TO EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AND THAT DOES NOT ENHANCE THE CHARACTER OF DOWNTOWN PETALUMA AND SUPPORT THE PREFERRED CHARACTER OF DOWNTOWN PETALUMA. SO I THINK BY ADDING THESE ADDITIONAL FINDINGS THROUGH THE CUP PROCESS MM-HMM TO AUGMENT THE SPAR PROCESS, IT REALLY ALLOWS US TO HAVE, HAVE THE TOOLS TO FINE TUNE MM-HMM NOT JUST THE DESIGN, BUT HOW THE DESIGN AND HOW THE BUILDING FORM RELATES TO EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AND RELATES TO THE PREFERRED CHARACTER THAT WE SEEK FOR THE DOWNTOWN AREA. AND IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT BECAUSE OF PROXIMITY TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, I MEAN, AND THIS GOES BACK TO AN EAR TO I THINK ONE OF PAUL'S EARLIER QUESTIONS OF SPEAKING OF DOES IT BENEFIT OR ENHANCE THE CHARACTER OF THE DOWNTOWN FOR THE CITY BECAUSE IT'S PROXIMITY TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, WE EFFECTIVELY HAVE THE OPTION OF WHEN WE'RE GOING THROUGH THESE PROPOSED PROJECTS REQUIRING A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF, I DON'T WANNA SAY SAMENESS, BUT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF, OF, UM, DESIGN AESTHETIC THAT MATCHES THE SURROUNDING AREA. WELL, I THINK WHAT I THINK WHAT IT WOULD ALLOW PROJECTS TO DO IS TO DRAW OUT THOSE MEANINGFUL DESIGN DETAILS AND, AND IMPLEMENT THEM SO THAT YOU'RE, SO THAT YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR WOULD SAY THAT NEW, NEW CONSTRUCTION SHOULD BE DIFFERENTIATED FROM MM-HMM. , UH, HISTORIC, HISTORIC BUILDINGS, HISTORIC RESOURCES. SO I THINK IT, UH, IT, IT ALLOWS A PROJECT TO DO THAT, BUT IT ALSO SAYS WE DO WANT TO SEE THAT RELATIONSHIP EXHIBITED. YEAH. SO THAT WE'RE NOT SEEING A CONTRAST BETWEEN OUR HISTORICS, OUR HIS, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT INTENTIONALLY OR PURPOSEFULLY CONTRASTING MM-HMM. AS A, A MOMENT IN TIME. WE'RE TRYING TO SEE A RELATIONSHIP OF EVOLUTION. YEAH. AND, AND UH, AND A RESPECT FOR, UM, OUR HISTORIC RESOURCES. THANK YOU. NOW TO PIVOT IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION, IS THERE ANY PART OF THIS IN ANY OF THE RESOLUTIONS IN FRONT OF US THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THE DEMOLITION OF THE PHOENIX THEATER OR A KELLER STREET PROPERTY OR ANY PROPERTY FOR THAT MATTER OR PARCEL IN THIS PROJECT? 'CAUSE THAT RUMOR'S GONE AROUND QUITE A BIT. WELL, INITIALLY THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE OWNER OF THAT LAND TO CHOOSE TO APPLY FOR THE DEMOLITION. AND THEN ANY DEMOLITION WOULD BE SUBJECT TO QUA. AND THEN IF THEY WANTED TO DO ONE OF THESE BUILDINGS THAT WAS OVER 45 FEET TALL, THERE'S REQUIRED FINDINGS THAT ADDRESS HISTORIC PRESERVATION. BUT THERE'S NOTHING IN THE OVERLAY THAT REQUIRES OR EVEN FACILITATES THAT. THAT WOULD BE JUST UNDER EXISTING REGULATIONS. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED, WANTED THAT REITERATED AND OUT LOUD. UM, SPEAKING OF THE SUNSET, THE SUNSET'S CURRENTLY SET FOR, ONCE WE'VE PASSED A NEW GENERAL PLAN, WHEN DO WE EXPECT THE GENERAL PLAN TO, I KNOW THAT'S A ROUGH TARGET, BUT WHEN DO WE EXPECT IT TO BE COMPLETED AND VOTED UPON EVEN A ROUGH OUTLINE? SUMMER OF 2025? SO THEORETICALLY WE GO THROUGH THIS, IT GETS TO COUNSEL. THEORETICALLY IF COUNSEL PASSES THIS, THIS ONLY STAYS ON THE BOOKS TILL 2025 AS PROPOSED. YES. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE GENERAL PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE CAN LOOK AT THIS, LOOK AT IF THEY WANT TO KEEP THIS, CHANGE IT, ET CETERA. YES. AND WE CAN PULL UP THE SPECIFIC SUNSET CLAUSE OR WE CAN, YOU KNOW, IF, UH, A COMMITTEE COMMISSION CHOOSES TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL, UM, IF THERE'S ANY SPECIFIC LANGUAGE WE WANNA SEE HERE TONIGHT AND MOVE FORWARD, UM, WE CAN MAKE SURE TO, UM, INCORPORATE THAT IN THE MOTION. EXCELLENT. SURE. I DO WANNA, I DO WANT TO CLARIFY ON THAT. SO THIS WOULD SUNSET UPON THE ADOPTION OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE THAT CODIFIES THE GENERAL PLAN. ALRIGHT. NOT THE ADOPTION OF THE GENERAL PLAN ITSELF. PERFECT. OKAY. SO WE'RE NOT TAKING SOMETHING OUT BEFORE THE IZO IS FINISHED. CORRECT? CORRECT. BUT THE INTENTION IS TO COMPLETE THEM RIGHT? SIMULTANEOUSLY. YEAH. MM-HMM, FAIR ENOUGH. UM, [05:25:01] AND THEN RELATED TO THAT, I KNOW THERE'S CONCERNS ABOUT WANTING TO DO A FULL E AR AND I SAW THE, THE BACK AND FORTH WITH REGARDS TO THE ECONOMIC ANALYSIS ONLY GOING SO FAR. UH, I TAKE IT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN, ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IS THERE WILL BE A FULL EIR THROUGH THE GENERAL PLAN AND THERE WILL BE FULL ECONOMIC ANALYSIS LIKE THERE HAD BEEN WITH OUR LAST GENERAL PLAN. CORRECT? YES. AND I, I TAKE IT, IT WILL MOST LIKELY COVER ANY INADEQUACIES THAT MIGHT BE PERCEIVED FOR THIS, FOR, FOR THE OVERLAY IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT SITE ALTERNATIVES, THINGS LIKE THAT. I I WOULD SAY IT'S, IF WE THOUGHT THERE WERE INADEQUACIES WE'D BE ADDRESSING 'EM. NOW WHAT WHAT IT WILL DO IS, UM, AND THIS GOES BACK TO SOME OF OLIVIA'S COMMENTS TOO. WE STILL, THERE'S STILL A, A GREAT DEAL OF POLICIES THAT WE HAVE, UM, AND WAYS THAT WE CONSIDER DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS, UM, THAT ARE GOVERNED BY THE EXISTING GENERAL PLAN. MM-HMM. , YOU KNOW, NOTWITHSTANDING THE DESIRE AND A LOT OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO BRING A LOT OF CHANGES TO IT. AND ALL THOSE CHANGES ARE UNDER DISCUSSION. SO WHAT, WHAT THE NEW GENERAL PLAN DO WILL CHANGE THAT WILL CHANGE THAT HORIZON. IT WILL PROVIDE THE UPDATED, UM, CONSENSUS VIEW OF, OF THE LEG OF THE COUNCIL ABOUT THINGS LIKE CROSS DOWN CONNECTORS, THINGS LIKE IT WILL, IT WILL, IT'LL BE FULLY WRAPPED AROUND THE, THE, THE CHANGE TO, UH, VEHICLE MILES, MILES TRAVELED ANALYSIS. UM, WHEREAS THE EARLIER GENERAL PLAN WAS PREPARED BASED ON LEVEL OF SERVICE. AND, UM, SO, SO THAT'S WHAT IT WILL DO. IT WILL, IT WILL, IT WILL, UM, INTEGRATE AND UPDATE THE FULL PICTURE SERVING ITS ROLE AS, AS WHAT'S SOMETIMES REFERRED TO AS THE, UH, LOCAL LAND USE CONSTITUTION, UM, CONCERNING THIS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. MM-HMM. AND IT WILL DO IT COMPREHENSIVELY. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE, YOU KNOW, EXPRESSED, YOU KNOW, THE ISSUE, WE HEARD IT TONIGHT. WHAT, WHY ISN'T THIS AWAITING THE GENERAL PLAN DEVELOPMENT? WELL, WE HEARD ABOUT THE TIMING ISSUES RELATED TO THE PROJECT AND WHAT, WHAT OPPORTUNITIES IT PROVIDES. UM, SO THAT'S AN ISSUE. UM, AND I THINK THAT, I THINK TOO, UM, THAT SENTIMENT IS REFLECTED IN, UM, THE WAY THE OVERLAY DISCUSSION AND THE CONFIGURATION OF THE OVERLAYS HAVE EVOLVED IN RESPONSE TO, UM, COMMUNITY CONCERNS ABOUT NOT WANTING TO DO TOO MUCH INNOVATION, INNOVATION, UM, WHILE THE GENERAL PLAN IS UNDERWAY TO MAKE SURE, UM, THESE KINDS OF ISSUES CAN BE CONSIDERED AS COMPREHENSIVELY AS POSSIBLE, AS HOLISTICALLY AS POSSIBLE. SO I THINK YOU SEE THAT REFLECTED TOO IN, IN THE KIND OF SURGICAL APPROACH AND, AND I'LL EVEN SAY MODULAR APPROACH TO THE WAY THE, THE POTENTIAL OVERLAY SUB AREAS ARE PRESENTED. I THINK IT'S DIRECTLY IN RELATION TO THAT. SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE GENERAL PLAN WILL DO, UM, IN RELATION TO SOME OF THESE KIND OF CONSIDERATIONS. AND YOU, ANDREW PROBABLY HAS MORE AND MORE ELOQUENT THINGS TO ADD, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY. WELL, NO, I, THAT'S, THAT'S A GREAT SUMMARY. UM, YOU KNOW, IN, I THINK IN A VERY REAL WAY. THE, THE GENERAL PLAN, LAND USE ELEMENT RESPONDS TO THE NEEDS AND WANTS OF THE COMMUNITY. AND SO IF, IF WE THINK ABOUT THAT, IT MIGHT, IT MIGHT SAY WE, WE DON'T WANT EXISTING OPEN SPACES DEVELOPED. WE WANT TO CONSTRAIN DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, FROM CERTAIN AREAS AND FOCUS DEVELOPMENT IN OTHER AREAS, HIGHER INTENSITY, UM, MORE WALKABLE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS TO ADDRESS CLIMATE CHANGE. A VARIETY, A HOST OF OTHER FACTORS. YOU KNOW, WE WANT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WANT INFILL DEVELOPMENT TO ADDRESS FISCAL CONCERNS. UH, WE WANT, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN NEW DEVELOPMENT TO BE CONCENTRATED TO GAIN, YOU KNOW, UM, SORT OF THE ECONOMICS OF, OF ADJACENCY AND SUCH. WHEN WE LOOK AT ALL THOSE WANTS AND NEEDS, THEY REALLY START TO BECOME FOCUSED IN THE LAND USE ELEMENT AND WHAT THE LAND USE ELEMENT THEN, UM, POSITS FOR HOW WE DEVELOP GOING FORWARD AS A COMMUNITY. SO I THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, BASED UPON WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THE, THE GENERAL PLAN'S VISION AND PRINCIPLES, THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATES, VISION AND PRINCIPLES, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, AS WE'RE WE'RE DESCRIBED, UM, IN THE PRESENTATION, WHAT WE ARE SEEING IS THAT EVEN THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE IS ALREADY SIGNALING THAT THIS IS THE PREFERRED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. THIS [05:30:01] HIGHER INTENSITY OF, OF INFILL DEVELOPMENT IN AREAS THAT ARE WALKABLE, THAT ARE APPROXIMATE TO TRANSIT, THAT ARE LEVERAGING AND TAKING ADVANTAGE OF EXISTING COMMUNITY AMENITIES RATHER THAN CREATING NEW SITES FOR DEVELOPMENT OUT ON THE URBAN FRINGE. MM-HMM. . SO, UM, IT WILL BE A TEST OF THE OVER SHOULD THE OVERLAY BE ADOPTED. IT WILL BE A TEST OF THE OVERLAY TO WHAT EXTENT IT DOES BECOME ABSORBED INTO THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE OR REJECTED BY THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE. BUT ALL INDICATIONS AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WHEN WE LOOK AT CONSISTENCY WITH THE CURRENT ADOPT A GENERAL PLAN AND WITH THE VISION AND PRINCIPLES OF THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE, ARE THAT THE OVERLAY IS SUPPORTED BY THOSE AND IS CONSISTENT WITH AND IS, IS INDICATING THAT THAT'S THE DIRECTION WHERE THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE WOULD GO. THANK YOU. I JUST HAVE A FEW MORE AND THEN I PROMISE I'M DONE. UM, IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. DOES THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND HAS THE PLANNING COMMISSION EVER INTERSECTED WITH THE QUESTION OF STORY POLLS? WILL IT EVER NEED TO INTERSECT WITH THAT KIND OF QUESTION? OR IS THE COUNCIL THE SOLE DECISION MAKER ON WHEN IT COMES TO THAT DISCUSSION COMMISSION? SO, PER THE POLICY, AND THIS WAS DISCUSSED IN DETAIL AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL, UM, THAT DECISION CAN BE MADE HERE AT THE STAFF LEVEL, UM, AND ANY OF THE, UM, REGULATORY BODY. SO PLANNING COMMISSION IS INCLUDED. ALRIGHT. I WAS REALLY HOPING YOU WERE GONNA SAY WE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT, BUT, ALRIGHT, FAIR ENOUGH. JUST, UH, ALWAYS KNOW WHAT YOUR ANSWER'S GONNA BE AHEAD OF TIME. UM, DOES THE OVERLAY IN ANY WAY MANDATE RE-DEVELOPMENT OR REDEVELOPMENT IN THESE AREAS? IF WE PASS THIS AS IS AND THE OWNERS OF THIS PROPERTIES WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH DENSER BUILDINGS, INCREASED HEIGHT CHANGE WILL IN ANY WAY PENALIZE THEM IF THEY DECIDE NOT TO DO ANYTHING? NO. EXCELLENT. UM, THAT COVERS BOTH. OH, AND THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, QUESTIONS ON AS TO HOW MUCH REVENUE THE CITY COULD POTENTIALLY TAKE IN FROM JUST BASED ON THE ECONOMIC ANALYSIS. A LOT OF IT, OF COURSE FOCUSED ON THE HOTEL, BUT EVEN LOOKING AT THE OVERLAY AS A WHOLE, IF FOR EXAMPLE, AGAIN, MOST OF THESE PROPERTY OWNERS JUST DECIDE THEY'RE GONNA KEEP THEIR PARKING LOT OR THEY'RE GONNA KEEP THEIR TWO STORY BUILDING, ET CETERA. I TAKE IT, IT'S NOT A COST BURDEN TO THE CITY THAT NOTHING HAPPENED THERE. WE'RE NOT SUDDENLY LOOKING AT A SERVICE COST BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T DECIDE. LIKE THERE'S NO FINANCIAL ATTACHMENT TO THAT IF THEY DECIDE TO KEEP THINGS AS THEY ARE. SO IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THE, THE QUESTION, THERE'S NO FISCAL IMPACT TO HAVE A, HAVE THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNERS DO NOTHING AND JUST CONTINUE STATUS QUO. YEAH. UM, NO, BUT, SO I THINK THERE'S A, IT'S A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED, I THINK. UM, YES, THERE ISN'T A BURDEN. I DO THINK AS WE EVOLVE AND THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY GROW AND THE COMMUNITY CHANGES AND INFRASTRUCTURE GETS OLDER, I MEAN MM-HMM. THERE IS A FISCAL COMPONENT TO THAT. I'M SURE THERE'S, WE CONSIDER THERE'S NOT OPPORTUNITY LOSS. RIGHT? I JUST, THE THE REASON I'M ASKING THIS QUESTION IS 'CAUSE THERE SEEMS TO BE THIS IDEA THAT IF THIS THING DOESN'T GO GANGBUSTERS WITH DEVELOPMENT, WE'RE SUDDENLY LOOKING AT AN INCREASED BURDEN ON THE CITY. AND I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. YES, OBVIOUSLY AS INFRASTRUCTURE GETS OLDER, THAT WAS GONNA BE A BURDEN TO US ANYWAY THOUGH, OR A COST TO US ANYWAY. BUT IF A WHOLE LOT OF PROPERTY OWNERS DECIDE TO KEEP THINGS AS THEY ARE, WE'RE NOW LOOKING AT NEW COSTS THAT WE WEREN'T EXPECTING ALREADY. UM, THERE MAY BE SOME UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES IF, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN A, A FEW SITES THAT HAVE BEEN FENCED OFF. UM, AND SO I WOULD IMAGINE IF THAT WERE TO CONTINUE AND PERPETUATE, THERE'S PROBABLY SOME ADDITIONAL COSTS THAT COME WITH THAT. BUT NO, NO DIRECT COSTS WITH, UM, STATUS QUO. RIGHT. ALRIGHT. EXCUSE ME. AND JUST TO ADD QUICKLY, UM, AT LEAST NOT THAT WOULD BE A RESULT OF THE OVERLAY, THE OVERLAY, IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY. UM, BUT UNDEVELOPED PROPERTIES CONTINUING TO BE UNDEVELOPED DO INVOLVE COSTS ABSOLUTELY. AND DIRECT ONES SUCH AS, YOU KNOW, INVITING, YOU KNOW, SHELTERLESS MEMBERS OF THE POPULATION AND, AND ALSO POTENTIAL NUISANCE CONDITIONS. MM-HMM. , ET CETERA, AND, AND SAFETY CONSIDERATIONS. THANKS. AND THAT I REALIZE FIVE OF WHAT I HAD LEFT ARE, [05:35:01] WERE ALREADY ANSWERED. THOSE ARE THE REST OF MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND THANK YOU FOR GOING ALONG WITH ME ON THIS. I JUST, I KNOW NOT EVERYBODY HAS TIME TO GO THROUGH THE MOUNTAINS OF PAPER OF DOCUMENTATION THAT WE GET, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT SOME OF THE STUFF GETS LISTED OUT IN AN EASILY ACCESSIBLE WAY, ESPECIALLY GIVEN WHERE SOME OF THE COMMENTS WENT EARLIER. UH, AND WITH THAT, OH, OH, SORRY. CAN I ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION? CHAIR? THANKS. YES, OF COURSE. OKAY. UM, I JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT, UM, I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF AFFORDABLE, UM, HOUSING PROJECTS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE OUR OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS DONE YET. SO RIGHT NOW I AM A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, UNSETTLED THAT THEY COULD BE DESIGNED, THEY COULD BE BUILT IN AREAS, UM, WHERE THEY, YOU KNOW, COULD HAVE AN ANESTHETICALLY PLEASING OUTCOME IN FOR THE AREA. SO, UM, IF THE HOTEL, IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THE OVER OVERLAY AND THEN THE HOTEL WERE TO BACK OUT, COULD THAT AREA, UM, HAVE ONE OF THESE PROJECTS PLACED THERE? UH, YES. WITHOUT OUR OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS DONE YET. CORRECT. SO THAT'S OKAY. UM, THAT IS NOTHING WE CAN DO TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING TONIGHT. UH, NO, NOT TONIGHT. AND THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY A FUNCTION OF, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WORKING DESPERATELY TO PLUG THAT, UH, GAP WITH THE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS PROJECT THAT WILL COME BEFORE YOU IN STUDY SESSION ON NOVEMBER 28TH AND THEN MOVE ON TO, UM, A PUBLIC HEARING IN EARLY DECEMBER. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, THAT GAP DOES EXIST. IT EXISTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, AND THE OVERLAY WOULDN'T CHANGE THAT. UM, YEAH. AND, UM, AND JUST TO CLARIFY, 'CAUSE YOU, I THOUGHT YOU SAID TWO DIFFERENT THINGS TO MEAN COMMISSIONER KUSON, UM, UH, THESE, UM, THESE PROJECTS COULD OR COULD NOT BE DESIGNED TO SIX STORIES, THE SB 35 AND PROJECTS. SO, SO AN SB 35 PROJECT, BASED UPON OUR UNDERSTANDING OF SB 35 INTERPRETATION AND APPLICATION OF IT, IS THAT THE PROJECT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH EX WITH EXISTING OBJECTIVE STANDARDS, OBJECTIVE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. AND THAT OBJECTIVE DEVELOPMENT STANDARD IS A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 45 FEET BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S PERMITTED BY RIGHT NOW. UH, AN SB 35 PROJECT WOULD PRESUMABLY BE ELIGIBLE FOR DENSITY, BONUS, AND DENSITY BONUS WOULD, ACCOMP WOULD BE ACCOMPANIED BY CONCESSIONS AND INCENTIVES. SO A PROJECT COULD DESIGN TO SAY, 55 FEET AND THEN SEEK A DENSITY BONUS OR SEEK A DENSITY BONUS CONCESSION TO ALLOW FOR THAT ADDITIONAL 10 FEET OF HEIGHT ABOVE 45 FEET. BUT IT COULD DO THAT RIGHT NOW. OH, OKAY. SO IT'S, IT, IT HAS THAT ABILITY TO DO SO UNDER THE CURRENT, UM, DEVELOPMENT STANDARD. AND THAT'S THE SAME FOR THE OTHER AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UH, REGULATIONS TOO, LIKE THE SB OF THREE 30 OR IS THAT WHAT YEAH, SLIGHT SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT. UM, SSB THREE 30 ALLOWS FOR DISCRETIONARY REVIEW, BUT, UM, SUBJECTIVE STANDARDS CANNOT BE APPLIED THAT WOULD RESULT IN A REDUCTION IN THE NUMBER OF HOUSING UNITS THAT, THAT IS, UM, PERMITTED BY THE GENERAL PLAN. SO A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT OF A NUANCE THERE. OKAY. THANK YOU. SURE. WELL, WITH THIS, IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, UH, I WILL NOW TURN THE MEETING OVER TO OUR HCPC CHAIR. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'D LIKE THE GAVEL OR NOT. UM, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK I'LL NEED. OKAY. UH, TO TURN OVER TO THE HCPC CHAIR FOR THE COMMITTEE TO LOOK AT THE RESOLUTION. GREAT. SO, UM, JUST TO REITERATE, WE HAVE, UH, FOUR RESOLUTIONS IN FRONT OF US. AND, UM, THE HCPC WILL, UH, ADDRESS THE FIRST RESOLUTION. SO LET ME READ IT OUT LOUD TO YOU. THE RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF, UH, PETALUMA HISTORIC AND CULTURAL PRESERVATION COMMITTEE, RECOMMENDING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMEND THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPT AN ORDINANCE ADDING SECTION 5.070 TO THE CITY OF PETALUMA, IMPLEMENTING ZONING ORDINANCE ORDINANCE 2300, AND AMENDING THE ZONING MAP TO ZONE APPLICABLE PARCELS TO THE PROPOSED DOWNTOWN HOUSING AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY OVERLAY. UM, SO THAT'S THE, UH, RESOLUTION THAT'S IN FRONT OF US. AND SO RIGHT NOW, UM, WE'RE GONNA OPEN IT UP FOR COMMENTS FIRST, BUT LET ME FIRST, UM, SO I'M CHAIRING TONIGHT BECAUSE BILL REINHARDT HAD, UH, COVID. AND SO, UM, BUT HE DID WANT ME TO, UH, SHARE HIS COMMENTS, UH, TO, TO PUBLIC. SO I'M GONNA READ WHAT HE TOLD ME TO READ. UM, I APOLOGIZE [05:40:01] FOR BEING ABSENT DUE TO COVID, BUT WOULD LIKE TO THANK ALL IN ATTENDANCE AND ALL WHO HAVE TAKEN THE TIME TO REVIEW THE MATERIALS AND SUBMIT INFORMED COMMENTS. I'M UNABLE TO MAKE THE REQUIRED FINDING THAT'S OVERLAY AS WRITTEN, PROVIDES ADEQUATE CONTROLS TO MAINTAIN THE HISTORIC CHARACTER AND IDENTITY OF THE COMMUNITY, OR TO ENSURE THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT ADJACENT TO THE HISTORIC RESOURCES IS COMPAT COMPATIBLE. UM, THE FOLLOWING BULLET POINTS OUTLINE. ONE OF THE REASONS I CANNOT MAKE THIS FINDING, THE I-S-M-N-D PROVIDES ONLY ONE MITIGATION MEASURE TO PROTECT THE INTEGRITY AND A STATIC QUALITIES OF OUR HISTORIC IDENTITY. THIS MITIGATION MEASURE RELIES ON THE HAR PROCESS AND THE HISTORICAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES, WHICH ARE INHERENTLY SUBJECTIVE AND INADEQUATE TO GUIDE THE DESIGN OF A FIVE TO SIX STORY BUILDING. THE ANALYSIS PROVIDED BY THE STRATEGIC ECONOMICS INDICATE THAT MARKET RATE HOUSING PROJECTS OF DISC SCALE ARE NOT CURRENTLY FEASIBLE AND NOT LIKELY TO BE FEASIBLE BETWEEN NOW AND THE TIME IT WILL TAKE TO COMPLETE THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE. THEREFORE, IT'S REASONABLE TO ASSUME THAT THE ONLY HOUSING PROJECTS WHICH WOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE OVERLAY ARE LIKELY TO BE SUBSIDIZED AFFORDABLE PROJECTS UNDER CALIFORNIA STATE LAW, SSB 30 AND SB 3 35. THESE ARE REQUIRED TO BE PROCESSED MINISTERIALLY AND ARE EXEMPT FROM ANY SUBJECTIVE STANDARDS SUCH AS THE HISTORIC COMMERCIAL DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES. SO A SIX STORY HOUSING PROJECT COULD BE BUILT ACROSS THE STREET FROM OUR DOWNTOWN HISTORIC COMMERCIAL DISTRICT WITH NO FORMAL DESIGN REVIEW AND NO PUBLIC PROCESS. WE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE RISKS THIS RISK TO, IN ORDER TO EXPEDITE THE IKE IAN APPALACHIAN HOTEL. I HAVE SEVERAL OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS WHICH MIGHT ALSO HELP THE CAUSE. BUT AS SOMEONE WHO ALSO VOLUNTEERS ON THE GENERAL PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE, I SUGGEST WE FOLLOW THE TRADITIONAL GENERAL PLAN UPDATE PROCESS TO BETTER ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY AND TO ESTABLISH MORE THOROUGH CONTROLS AND GUIDELINES IN ORDER TO MAINTAINS PETALUMA'S UNIQUE, UNIQUE HISTORIC IDENTITY. SINCERELY, BILL REINHARDT. SO THESE WERE HIS COMMENTS AND UM, OBVIOUSLY HE'S NOT HERE TO VOTE, BUT, UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COMMITTEE MEMBERS? EXCUSE ME, MADAM CHAIR, BE BEFORE WE PROCEED. UM, UM, COMMISSIONER REINHARDT'S, UH, SUBMISSION IT'S IS UNUSUAL. IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE WOULD'VE RECOMMENDED BECAUSE HE'S NOT PRESENT AND WE DON'T HAVE VOTES IN ABSENTIA, AND IT, THEY COULD POTENTIALLY OPERATE, BE VIEWED THAT WAY. UM, AND THEY'RE NOT SO, AND THEY CAN'T. UM, AND I THINK THERE ARE SOME ASSERTIONS BY COMMISSIONER REINHARDT THAT WITH WHICH THAT STAFF DON'T BELIEVE ARE SUPPORTED IN THE RECORD. SO I THINK, UM, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT WE BE PERMITTED TO AT LEAST PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION, UM, PARTICULARLY SINCE, YOU KNOW, SINCE SINCE HE'S NOT PRESENT AND THAT'S NOT A VOTE. UM, AND I THINK STAFF DID TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE EARLIER. SO ANDREA, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE PREPARED TO SURE. PROVIDE THE INFO. THANK YOU. SURE. SO WE HAD SOME INITIAL, UM, WE ALSO RECEIVED, RECEIVED HIS COMMENTS OF WHEN, WHEN THEY WERE DISTRIBUTED, AND WE HAD SOME INITIAL RESPONSES. UM, SO THE, THE OVERLAY IS A REGULATORY INCENTIVE THAT SEEKS TO SUPPORT PREFERRED DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY IN A LOCATION IN OUR COMMUNITY WHERE IT IS BEST ABLE TO CONTRIBUTE TO OUR DOWNTOWN'S ONGOING SUCCESS. THE OVERLAY WOULD NOT MODIFY EXISTING BUYRIGHT OBJECTIVE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. SO, UH, UNDER THE PROPOSED OVERLAY SPAR OR H SPAR AND PERHAPS THE CUP, UH, DISCRETIONARY APPROVALS FOR ANY COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND FOR PROJECTS THAT INCLUDE RESIDENTIAL USES BUT DO NOT QUALIFY FOR SB 35 OR SB 30 30 REVIEW, STREAMLINING, UM, WOULD STILL REQUIRE DISCRETIONARY REVIEW AND H SPAR SPAR AND CUP DISCRETIONARY ENTITLEMENTS ARE OUR PREFERRED APPROACH TO ENSURING THAT PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS CONTRIBUTE POSITIVELY TO OUR COMMUNITY AND ARE COMPATIBLE WITH EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, AND DEVELOPMENT. SO, QUALIFYING FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, QUALIFYING RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS ARE NOT INCENTIVIZED BY THE OVERLAY BECAUSE THE OVERLAY RETAINS THE EXISTING OBJECTIVE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. AND BECAUSE RECENTLY ADOPTED STATE LAW PROVIDES QUALIFYING RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS WITH TOOLS TO GAIN RELIEF FROM REGULATORY OR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. SO IN OTHER WORDS, THERE ARE OTHER, OTHER TOOLS TO BE USED AND, AND THE OVERLAY DOES NOT CONTRIBUTE TO THAT, UH, TOOLKIT. AND WE BELIEVE THAT THE POTENTIAL SCENARIOS ENVISIONED BY CHAIR REINHART CURRENTLY EXIST AND WILL CONTINUE TO EXIST [05:45:01] FOR QUALIFYING RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS, WHETHER OR NOT THE PROPOSED OVERLAY IS ADOPTED. THANK YOU, WHIT. OKAY. SO I HAVE LIKE FIVE PAGES OF DETAILED COMMENTS, BUT I'M NOT GONNA READ ALL OF THEM. . I'M GOING WITH A SHORT VERSION AND LIMITING MY COMMENTS SPECIFICALLY TO THE, UH, PROPOSED ZONING OVERLAY AND, UM, THE, UH, ITS RELATIONSHIP TO THE INITIAL STUDY OR THE MITIGATED NE NEGATIVE DECLARATION. SO, UM, TO ADDRESS THE PROPOSED ZONING OVERLAY FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE I-S-M-N-D, IT BOILS DOWN TO WHETHER IT ADEQUATELY ASSESSES THE POTENTIAL, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL EFFECTS PURSUANT TO THE STIPULATIONS OF CQA OF THE OVERLAY ON THE COLLECTIVE NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT INDIVIDUAL CONT CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES OR ELEMENTS WITHIN THAT DISTRICT, AS WELL AS OTHER NATIONAL REGISTER LISTED OR ELIGIBLE PROPERTIES IN THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN. THIS IN INITIATES SEVERAL QUESTIONS IN MY MIND. UM, DOES THE PROPOSED ZONING OVERLAY BENEFIT THE DISTRICT ITS CONTRIBUTING ELEMENTS OR OTHER SIGNIFICANT HISTORIC RESOURCES, EITHER DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY? SO THE PROPOSED OVERLAY ADDS NO SPECIFIC PROTECTIVE COVENANTS, PRESERVATION INCENTIVES, OR OTHER MEASURES THAT WOULD DIRECTLY IMPROVE OR ENHANCE THE NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT. THEREFORE, NO BENEFITS HAVE BEEN PRESENTED THAT WOULD DIRECTLY ENHANCE PRESERVATION, PROTECTION, SIGNIFICANCE, OR INTEGRITY OF HISTORIC RESOURCES BEYOND THE PROTECTIONS THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE. UH, DESPITE THE PRESENTATIONS OF THE APPLICANT'S TEAM AND THE CITY STAFF, THERE'S NO COMPELLING EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST THAT THE HEIGHT AND LOT COVERAGE LIMITATIONS IN THE NATIONAL REGISTERED DISTRICT ARE WHAT IS PREVENTING REDEVELOPMENT OF VACANT LOTS. THERE, THERE ARE LOTS ALL OVER PETALUMA THAT DO NOT FALL UNDER THE SAME RESTRICTIONS AS THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. SOME VERY CLOSE TO IT THAT SIT VACANT AND ARE NOT BEING DEVELOPED FOR OTHER REASONS. UH, THE SUGGESTION THAT A WAVE OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY OR NEW HOUSING WILL SUDDENLY APPEAR BECAUSE THIS OWN, UH, ZONING OVERLAY IS PERMITTED, IS PURELY SPECULATIVE AT THIS POINT. ASSUMING THERE ARE NO DIRECT BENEFITS TO THE DISTRICT'S PRESERVATION, SPECIFICALLY THEN DOES THE PROPOSED ZONING OVERLAY ADVERSELY AFFECT THE DISTRICT? ITS CONTRIBUTING ELEMENTS OR OTHER SIGNIFICANT RESOURCES? NATIONAL REGISTER ELIG ELIGIBILITY HAS ALREADY BEEN DETERMINED FOR AND APPLIED TO THE DISTRICT, AND THE PROPOSED OVERLAY WOULD NOT IMMEDIATELY AFFECT THAT. HOWEVER, SIGNIFICANCE UNDER BOTH CEQA AND THE NATIONAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION ACT IS DETERMINED BY THE APPLICATION OF CRITERIA FOR INTEGRITY. THESE SEVEN ASPECTS, UM, OF EVALUATION INCLUDE LOCATION, SETTING, DESIGN, MATERIALS, WORKMANSHIP FEELING, AND ASSOCIATION. AND THESE ARE THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS. IN CONSIDERING THE EFFECTS OF ON EACH OF THESE CRITERIA, I WOULD ARGUE THAT LOCATION DESIGN MATERIALS WORKMANSHIP AND ASSOCIATION ARE LIKELY TO NOT BE AFFECTED BY THE PROPOSED ZONING OVERLAY. AND THE EFFECTS COULD BE CONSIDERED NEUTRAL, AT LEAST IN THE SHORT TERM. ON THE OTHER HAND, SETTING AND FEELING ARE VERY LIKELY TO BE ADVERSELY AFFECTED BY CHANGES TO THE HEIGHT AND LOT COVERAGE RESTRICTIONS. UM, SETTING IS THE PHYSICAL ENVIRONMENT OF THE DISTRICT AND FEELING IS THE PROPERTY'S EXPRESSION OF THE AESTHETIC OR HISTORIC SENSE OF A PARTICULAR PERIOD OF TIME. WITHOUT QUESTION, ADDING NEW CONSTRUCTION ANYWHERE WITHIN OR NEAR THE DISTRICT WOULD HAVE SOME KIND OF EFFECT ON BOTH THE INTEGRITIES OF SETTING AND FEELING. AND ANY PROPOSED PROJECT WOULD NEED TO BE EVALUATED INDIVIDUALLY FOR A SPECIFIC IMPACTS PURSUANT TO CE QA OR AS WE SEE WITH THE HAR PROCESS. BUT IT IS REASONABLY FORESEEABLE THAT ALLOWING TALLER AND LARGER CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS IN THE DISTRICT OR IN THE OVERLAY MAKES IT INHERENTLY MORE DIFFICULT TO MINIMIZE ADVERSE, DIRECT OR INDIRECT EFFECTS TO THE DISTRICT'S INTEGRITY OF SETTING AND FEELING. THESE KINDS OF IMPACTS MIGHT NOT BE JUST VISUAL ONES, BUT COULD ALSO INCLUDE ALTERING PEDESTRIAN OR VEHICLE TRAFFIC FLOW CHANGES TO INFRASTRUCTURE OR UTILITY SERVICES, AS WELL AS FUTURE REDUCTION OR SEGMENTATION OF THE DISTRICT BOUNDARIES. OVERALL, THERE WOULD BE A MUCH GREATER POTENTIAL FOR MORE ADVERSE AND INAPPROPRIATE DISRUPTIONS TO THE CONTINUITY OF THE DISTRICT SETTING. THE FEELING ASSOCIATED WITH PETALUMA'S DOWNTOWN NATIONAL REGISTERED DISTRICT IS CONVEYED NOT JUST BY THE PRESENCE OF THESE INDIVIDUALLY SIGNIFICANT BUILDINGS, BUT BY THE ENTIRE COLLECTIVE OF THEM, WHICH IS WHY IT WAS NOMINATED AS A DISTRICT TO BEGIN WITH. LARGELY THE EXPRESSION OF FEELING IN THIS INSTANCE IS THE VISUAL RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN AND AMONG ALL OF THE BUILDINGS. [05:50:01] THE DISTRICT IS MUCH MORE THAN THE SUM OF ITS PARTS. IT'S ALSO REASONABLY FORESEEABLE THAT CHANGING THE HEIGHT AND LOT COVERAGE RESTRICTIONS WILL ALSO MAKE IT FAR MORE DIFFICULT TO MAINTAIN THAT INTEGRITY OF FEELING, EVEN IF PROPOSED PROJECTS STILL NEED TO BE EVALUATED INDIVIDUALLY. 'CAUSE THE DISTRICT IS EVALUATED COLLECTIVELY OVER THE LONG RUN. IF THIS ZONING OVERLAY WERE TO BE APPROVED AND THE CITY DID NOT PROVIDE COUNTERACTING PRESERVATION INCENTIVES OR SOME OTHER FORMS OF MITIGATION, IT'S REASONABLE THAT WE WOULD LIKELY SEE THE EROSION OF ADDITIONAL INTEGRITY CRITERIA. THE OTHER ONES I MENTIONED AS INDIVIDUAL HISTORIC BUILDINGS DETERIORATE, BECOME NEGLECTED OR ABANDONED AND OR SEPARATED FROM THE LARGER DISTRICT. SKIPPING OVER MY HOTEL COMMENTS, UM, UH, DOES THE I-S-M-N-D ACTUALLY ADDRESS THE CLEAR AND SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE EFFECTS TO THE I INTEGRITIES OF SETTING AND FEELING FOR BOTH THE ZONING OVERLAY AND THE HOTEL? THE DOCUMENTS WHICH ARE SUPPOSED TO COVER THE POTENTIAL EFFECTS ON HISTORIC RESOURCES ARE APPENDICES, C FOR THE OVERLAY AND F FOR THE HOTEL. NEITHER DOCUMENT ACTUALLY ADDRESSES THE NATURE OF THE INTEGRITY CRITERIA, SPECIFICALLY MENTIONING ONLY THE GENERAL SETTING AND NEVER THE INTEGRITY OF FEELING BOTH STATE THAT THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT HAS LOST INTEGRITY IN GENERAL DUE TO THE PRESENCE OF MODERN CONSTRUCTION. BUT NO SPECIFIC FACTUAL EVIDENCE OF THIS CONCLUSION OR HOW IT WAS EVALUATED IS ACTUALLY PRESENTED. UM, ASSESSMENT OF EFFECTS DOCUMENTS, AND I'VE BEEN WRITING THEM FOR OVER 35 YEARS, SHOULD ALWAYS SPECIFICALLY REFERENCE EACH OF THE CRITERIA FOR INTEGRITY AND EVALUATE THE POTENTIAL EFFECTS FOR EACH ONE OBJECTIVELY AND CUMULATIVELY. THIS APPEARS NOT TO BE THE CASE FOR EITHER OF THESE DOCUMENTS, AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THEY ARE INADEQUATE TO SUPPORT AN MND FOR THE ZONING OVERLAY OR THE HOTEL. THE PROPOSED OVERLAY CLEARLY, CLEARLY IS WHAT WE WOULD CALL A BUT FOR A CONDITION. BUT FOR THE PROPOSED EKN APPALACHIAN HOTEL, THE ZONING OVERLAY WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED, WHICH IS WHY THERE'S ONLY ONE SQUA DOCUMENT. IT'S ALSO BEING PROPOSED AS A MITIGATION MEASURE IN AND OF ITSELF, SUGGESTING THAT IT WOULD INCREASE ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY AND THE AVAILABILITY OF RESIDENTIAL HOUSING WITHOUT ANY ACTUALLY ACTUAL SUPPORTING FACTUAL EVIDENCE OF THAT. UM, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION REJECT THE DRAFT ISM AND D AS THE PROPOSED, UH, ZONING OVERLAY CLEARLY HAS SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL EFFECTS ON THE INTEGRITIES OF SETTING AND FEELING FOR BOTH THE NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT AND OTHER NEARBY NATIONAL REGISTER LISTED HISTORIC RESOURCES THAT WILL NOT SUFFICIENTLY BE, THAT WILL NOT BE SUFFICIENTLY REDUCED BY THE PROPOSED MITIGATION MEASURES OR BY THE OVERLAY ITSELF. UM, AND MND IS NOT SUPPORTED IN MY OPINION, AND AN EIR SHOULD BE COMPLETED WITH AN ALTERNATIVE SITE ANALYSIS. UM, OTHERWISE, UM, WE SHOULD BE WAITING FOR THE GENERAL PLAN. UM, BASICALLY THAT'S ALL OF MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU. PAUL, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? YEAH, JUST , PLEASE SPEAK INTO THE MIC. YEAH, SORRY ABOUT THAT. UM, JUST A FEW COMMENTS AND MAYBE A REQUEST FOR CLARIFICATION. I, I, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, HCP HCPCS NOT HERE TO RECOMMEND OR MAKE A MOTION WITH RESPECT TO THE, UH, INITIAL STUDY OR MITIGATING NEGATIVE DECK. IS THAT, IS THAT FAIR? UM, WITH THAT IN MIND, I THINK THOMAS'S COMMENTS ARE, ARE WELL TAKEN, BUT IT'S SORT OF OUT OF OUR HANDS TO BE ADDRESSING THAT. SO I THINK FOCUSING ON WHAT WE'RE HERE TO, TO FOCUS ON AS HCPC IS THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT, UM, AND THE, UM, ZONING MAP AMENDMENT. AND, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY SPEAKING, I, I THINK I'M IN FAVOR OF MOVING FORWARD AND APPROVING THE RESOLUTION WITH A FEW, I THINK MAYBE CONFORMING CHANGES TO THE TEXT OF THE AMENDMENT, UM, AND, AND MAKING THAT RECOMMENDATION, RECOMMENDATION TO PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, TO, UM, YOU KNOW, TAKE OUR RECOMMENDATION AND, AND MOVE FORWARD AND CHOOSE TO DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH THAT. UM, I HAD MENTIONED IN SOME OF THE QUESTIONS EARLIER THAT I HAD, UM, AS WE TALKED ABOUT THE CRITERIA EXCEEDING 45 FEET AND 60 FEET, IT SEEMS TO BE THAT THERE WERE SOME INCONSISTENCIES IN THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS USED HERE [05:55:01] THAT IS USED ELSEWHERE IN THE IZO. AND I WONDER IF WE CAN HARMONIZE THOSE NOW SO THAT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THAT LATER AND SAYING, YOU KNOW, THESE DON'T MATCH UP TO WHAT, UH, THE OTHER STANDARDS ARE, UH, WITHIN THE IEO. UM, AND AS I HAD MENTIONED EARLIER, MY QUESTIONS THAT THAT'D BE UNDER F THREE AND, UH, F FOUR, UM, I THINK, I THINK THAT WAS IT. CAN, UH, STAFF RESPOND TO THOSE SUGGESTED CHANGES IF THAT, IF, JUST TO MAKE CLEAR THAT WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE AS PAUL, UH, AND I CAN READ OFF, I, I JUST SORT OF INTERLINEATED SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE IZO IS ELSEWHERE, UM, IF THAT MAKES OR IS HELPFUL AT ALL. THANK YOU. COMMITTEE MEMBER PIT NGARO IN TERMS OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR MODIFICATION IN THE LANGUAGE, UH, WE CAN INCLUDE THAT IN RECOMMENDATIONS MOVING FORWARD, AND STAFF WOULD ADJUST THE LANGUAGE. UH, I I THINK IT WOULD BE IN THE BEST MANNER TO, UH, FOR FURTHER REVIEW AND SEE WHAT'S THE MOST APPROPRIATE AND SPECIFIC LANGUAGE TO CARRY FORWARD. UM, WOULD THAT ASSIST WITH THE RECOMMENDATION, UH, OR ACTION FOR YOUR QUESTIONS? WELL, I THINK IF WE'RE GONNA MAKE A MOTION TONIGHT THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO PROPOSE THE LANGUAGE THAT WE WOULD WANT TO ADD INTO THE, UM, INTO THE RECOMMENDATION. UM, SO WHAT I, WHAT I PROPOSE IS IN, UM, F THREE, THE LANGUAGE BE ADJUSTED SO THAT IT SAYS THAT THE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT WOULD NOT CAUSE AN ADVERSE IMPACT TO THE CHARACTER OR INTEGRITY OR THE HISTORICAL ARCHITECTURAL OR AESTHETIC INTEREST OR VALUE OF THE DISTRICT WHERE THE SITE IS LOCATED, OR A HISTORICAL RESOURCE THAT IS ON SITE OR ADJACENT TO THE SITE. UM, AND AS I MENTIONED, THAT LANGUAGE IS PULLED DIRECTLY FROM IZO 15.07. OH, UH, A TWO NOTED. THANK YOU. UM, AND THEN IN, IN SUB PARAGRAPH FOUR, UM, CHANGING THAT TO THAT, THE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT WILL NOT RESULT IN UNREASONABLE RESTRICTIONS OF LIGHT AND AIR TO ADJACENT PROPERTIES OR THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY OR OTHERWISE BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, OR WELFARE. AND THAT COMES FROM IZO 12, 0.025 B. THANK YOU. GREAT. THANKS. UM, SO MY COMMENTS ARE, UH, FIRST OF ALL THIS, THIS HAS BEEN A CHALLENGING PROJECT FOR, FOR, FOR OUR COMMISSION AND FOR COMMITTEES. UM, IT WAS VERY COMPLEX IN THE BEGINNING. IT'S ONLY GOTTEN COMPLEX AS WE'VE COME ALONG. I DO WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE, UH, STAFF, I MEAN, THE AMOUNT OF INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN PUT OUT THERE AND, UH, THE RESPONSIVENESS AND PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT THEY'VE RECEIVED, IT'S JUST BEEN INCREDIBLE. SO I DO WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE STAFF BOTH HERE AS WELL AS BEHIND THE SCENES. UM, SO IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR ME TO, UM, TO LOOK AT THE OVERLAY, UM, YOU KNOW, SEPARATELY FROM THE HOTEL, OF COURSE IS, AND THAT'S, UM, THAT'S WHAT WE DID. UM, YOU KNOW, THE OVERLAY TO ME WAS, UM, SOUNDED LIKE A, A GREAT SOLUTION TO, UM, AND I'M, I'M VERY MUCH AN ADVOCATE OF THE O OVERLAY, UH, PROCESS AS WELL AS THE PROPOSAL THAT WAS IN FRONT OF US. BUT I DO FEEL AT THIS POINT THAT, UM, THERE'S JUST CERTAIN THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE ECONOMIC, UH, INCA IMPACT, UH, SEEMS KIND OF SHORTCHANGED WASN'T COMPLETE. UH, AGAIN, NEEDING MORE TIME, UH, EVEN TONIGHT, I'VE HEARD STAFF SAY SEVERAL TIMES IF THEY HAD MORE TIME TO DO IT, UM, YOU KNOW, AND CONSIDERING THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT'S BEEN, THEY'VE BEEN PROCESSING IT, IT'S JUST BEEN, UH, UNDERSTANDABLE THAT THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO DO THAT. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I THINK THAT THE OVERLAY, IT, IT COULD BE, UM, PUT INTO THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE. UH, I THINK THAT'S A REASONABLE SUGGESTION. I ALSO DO THINK THAT AN EIR WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR THE OVERLAY ITSELF. UM, JUST THE IMPACT OF IT. I DO THINK THAT IT, YOU KNOW, IT DOES HAVE SOME [06:00:01] PROTECTIONS FOR HISTORIC RESOURCES OR FOR, YOU KNOW, THE HISTORIC IMPACT IT WILL HAVE, BUT I JUST DON'T FEEL IT'S ENOUGH, UM, TO, UM, TO PROTECT THAT. UM, SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF MY, UH, FOR MY COMMENTS, UH, ABOUT THAT. SO NEXT IS, UM, LET'S SEE. I NEED A MOTION. UM, SO I NEED A MOTION TO MOVE THIS RESOLUTION, UH, FOR RECOMMENDING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMEND TO THE CITY ADDING THAT SECTION. AND SO, UM, IS THERE A MOTION FROM THE HCPC? I MOVE FOR A VOTE? OKAY. AND I'LL SECOND THAT. AND SO NOW WE CAN DO THE VOTES. YOU NEED TO CALL IT COMMITTEE MEMBER PERLIS. ABSENT COMMITTEE MEMBER PIT NGARO. YES. COMMITTEE MEMBER WHITLEY? NO. CHAIR RYAN HART. ABSENT ACTING CHAIR VAN AMAR? NO, THE VOTE IS NOT PASSED. OKAY. AND I PASS IT ON TO, WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, I BELIEVE THAT CONDUCTS THE BUSINESS FOR HCPC. SO MEMBERS ARE FREE TO STAY OR LEAVE DEPENDING ON IF YOU WANT TO JOIN US FOR THE REST OF THIS RIDE OR, OR GO HOME. I UNDERSTAND IT'S PAST, PAST MIDNIGHT NOW. UM, WHAT, OH, YOU DIDN'T BRING THE SLEEPING BAGS, WE ALL, ANYWAY, UM, WE ARE, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH OUR PROCESS AND WE HAVE QUITE A FEW MORE MOTIONS TO GET, GET THROUGH. SO I'M GOING TO CALL FOR A ONE MORE FIVE MINUTE RECESS FOR US. USE THE RESTROOM, DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO, AND THEN WE'LL GET BACK HERE TO GO THROUGH THE REST. ALSO, IF, EXCUSE ME, UM, CHAIR HOOPER, IF I COULD JUST CLARIFY, BECAUSE IT'S A JOINT MEETING AND BECAUSE THE HC BUS PC BUSINESS HAS CONCLUDED, THEY'RE EXCUSED. AND, AND THE, THE REST OF THE MEETING IN TERMS OF THE LEGISLATIVE BODY IS A, IS A PLANNING COMMISSION, MEANING CONSIST SINCE THERE'S NO MORE HCPC, UH, BUSINESS, ALTHOUGH THE HCPC MEMBERS ARE FREE TO REMAIN IN CHAMBERS IF THEY WISH, BUT IT'S, BUT THEIR BUSINESS IS CONCLUDED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. THANK YOU FOR BEING PATIENT WITH THE EXTENDED BREAK. I JUST DID A GUT CHECK WITH THE REST OF OUR MEMBERS AND WE'RE ALL SET TO MOVE ON TO THE END. UH, AND WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE THAT, REALLY A LOT OF THE DISCUSSION HAS ALREADY HAPPENED THROUGH THE QUESTIONS AND THROUGH, UH, HCPCS DISCUSSION. SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE TO NEXT. WE ARE GOING TO GO THROUGH DISCUSSION AND POTENTIAL VOTE ON THE M AND D RESOLUTION. THEN WE WILL LOOK AT THE GENERAL PLAN AND ZONING AMENDMENT RESOLUTIONS. WE'LL HAVE THAT, THE DISCUSSION FOR THOSE ITEMS SINCE THEY'RE INTERLINKED TOGETHER BEFORE WE DO PROPOSED VOTES FOR EITHER ONE. SO TO KICK THINGS OFF, I'M GONNA READ THE TITLE OF THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION FOR OUR ISM AND D. UH, LEMME MAKE SURE I'M IN THE RIGHT PLACE. APOLOGIES, RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF PETALUMA PLANNING COMMISSION, RECOMMENDING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPT A MITIGATIVE NEGATIVE DECLARATION, M AND D AND MITIGATION MONITORING AND REPORTING PROGRAM MMRP FOR THE DOWNTOWN HOUSING AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY OVERLAY AND EKN APPALACHIAN HOTEL PROJECT LOCATED WITHIN DOWNTOWN PETALUMA, AND PARTIALLY WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN COMMERCIAL HISTORIC DISTRICT OVERLAY AND TWO PETALUMA BOULEVARD SOUTH HOTEL. I'M NOT GONNA READ THE ASSESSOR PARCEL NUMBERS, UH, AT THIS POINT. I'M GONNA CALL FOR DISCUSSION ON THE ITEM BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT A MOTION. AND I'M GOING TO START AT THIS END WITH JESSICA. UH, I'M GOOD FOR NOW. THANK YOU. I'M GOOD TOO. ALRIGHT, ROGER, UH, THIS IS A DISCUSSION FOR THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION REGARDING THE M AND D, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHAT, WHAT, IF YOU HAVE ANY, IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS YOU'D LIKE TO GIVE BEFORE WE PROPOSE A MOTION OR VOTE YOUR MICROPHONE, SIR. I CAN SAY IN GENERAL, I DISAPPOINTED [06:05:01] THAT IT IS NOT PART OF A MORE COMPREHENSIVE EVALUATION OF DOWNTOWN, THE WHOLE DOWNTOWN, NOT JUST THESE THREE AREAS. UM, AND, UH, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S GONNA BE PART OF THAT EVALUATION UNLESS IT GOES INTO THE GENERAL PLAN PROCESS AND IS REASSESSED, REEVALUATED AND ADJUSTED, CHANGED, WHATEVER. SO, AS, AS LONG AS IT CAN GO THROUGH A GENERAL PLAN CLEANSING PROCESS TO GET REFINED, I'M SUPPORTIVE. DARREN. WELL, IF WE'RE SPECIFIC TO THE MND, AND I'M ASSUMING WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENTS AND THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENTS. OKAY. UM, I DO HAVE TWO ISSUES WITH THE MND, UH, AND THE FIRST OF WHICH BEING RELATED TO AESTHETICS. I APPRECIATED THE QUALIFICATION ABOUT AESTHETICS IN THE CONTEXT OF INFILL, UH, BUT AESTHETICS AND IMPACT ON HISTORICAL OR CULTURAL RESOURCES? I THINK THERE'S AN ARGUMENT TO BE MADE HERE, UH, IN TWO RESPECTS. I THINK FIRST OF ALL, THE SIZE AND SCALE OF BUILDINGS BEING PROPOSED, THE FACT THAT THOSE ARE NOT PRESENT IN THESE AREAS AS DEVELOPMENT, POTENTIAL SIZE AND SCALE IN OUR EXISTING GENERAL PLAN, AND THEY'RE NOT, UH, PRESENT IN THE AREA OR SURROUNDING AREAS. I THINK JUST THAT SIZE AND SCALE ON ITS OWN HAS A POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT IMPACT. SIZE AND SCALE WHEN IT COMES TO BUILDINGS ARE TWO OF THE MOST, UH, TWO OF THE BIGGEST ASPECTS THAT DICTATE ITS IMPACT ON, UH, SETTING AND FEELING. I THINK IT WAS DESCRIBED BY HC, UH, PC COMMITTEE MEMBER. UH, UH, FIRST NAME IS THOMAS. AND SO I THINK THAT THE FACT THAT THESE BUILDINGS ARE THE SIZE AND SCALE THAT IS NOT IN CONFORMANCE WITH WHAT WAS IN OUR GENERAL PLAN AND WHAT IS IN THE SURROUNDING AREA, UH, IS A POTENTIAL SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON BOTH AESTHETICS AND CULTURAL RESOURCES. UH, FULL STOP. I DON'T THINK THAT'S MITIGATED NECESSARILY BY A DISCRETIONARY REVIEW. AND I DID SEE IN THE LETTER FROM OUR LAWYER, THERE WAS REFERENCED, UH, THE GEORGETOWN PRESIDENTIAL SOCIETY VERSUS COUNTY OF EL DORADO, WHICH BOILS DOWN TO THE IDEA THAT THE COURT REJECTED THE ARGUMENT THAT FUTURE DESIGN REVIEW WOULD SERVE AS A SUBSTITUTE FOR S QL REVIEW. SO I THINK THE IDEA IS THAT PAWNING THIS OFF ON A SUBSEQUENT H BAR REVIEW OR A SPAR REVIEW WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDINGS OF A SIZE AND IMPACT THAT WEREN'T IMAGINED IN THE GENERAL PLAN AND AREN'T PRESENT NOW, UH, NEEDS TO BE FURTHER ANALYZED. I THINK IT'S NOT SUCCESSFULLY MITIGATED BY FUTURE DISCRETIONARY REVIEW. UM, SO THAT'S A BIG ONE FOR ME. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE THAT CAUGHT MY EYES ON PAGE 95 OF THE PDF IS UNDER TRANSPORTATION IMPACT ANALYSIS UNDER HOTEL 4.17 A, UH, NOTICED THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WE PUT IN THERE TO SHOW THAT TRAFFIC IMPACTS WOULD BE LESS THAN SIGNIFICANT. IT TOOK COUNTS ON THREE OF THE INTERSECTIONS ON AUGUST 29TH, 2019, AND IT TOOK A TRAFFIC COUNT ON ONE OF THE INTERSECTIONS, AUGUST 27TH, 2021. IN REVIEWING TRAFFICKED IMPACT STUDIES, IT'S PRETTY MUCH AN INDUSTRY STANDARD TO USE A 48 HOUR WINDOW. SO ANALYZING COUNTS OVER A 24 HOUR PERIOD ONE DAY, AND SAYING THAT WE HAVE ADEQUATELY CATEGORIZED A POTENTIAL OR, OR WE HAVE CATEGORIZED AND ANALYZE AN IMPACT. SO AS TO DEEM IT LESS THAN SIGNIFICANT, I THINK THAT ONE RAISES AN ISSUE FOR ME. I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND ABOUT PARKING. PARKING AND TRAFFIC WERE OBVIOUSLY TWO I WAS KEYED INTO BASED ON, THAT'S A COMMENT WITH EVERY PROJECT, BUT I THINK IN THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR, FINDING THAT, UM, STOOD OUT TO ME AS A POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT IMPACT THAT WASN'T SUFFICIENTLY CATEGORIZED OR SOMETHING THAT WAS LISTED AS A LESS THAN SIGNIFICANT IMPACT THAT WASN'T SUCCESSFULLY, UH, CATEGORIZED. SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS ON THE MND. YOU KNOW, I WILL SAY THAT I ALSO NOTICED AREAS LIKE ON THE PUBLIC SERVICE IMPACT ANALYSIS, OBVIOUSLY WE'VE TALKED TO DEATH ABOUT CUMULATIVE IMPACTS. I WILL. ANYWAY, I'M, I'M GONNA TAKE, UM, THE UNDERSTANDING FROM STAFF AND, AND YOUR POSITION ON THAT. UM, HOWEVER, I WILL SAY THAT I THINK WHERE, WHERE SPECIFIC NUMBERS ARE USED. SO FOR EXAMPLE, PAGE 90, HOTEL 4.15 A THROUGH B, WE TALK ABOUT THE REQUIRED TRAVEL AND RESPONSE TIMES IN THE CITY FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES. AND I NOTICE WE REFERENCE RESPONSE, UH, POTENTIAL RESPONSE TIMES OF THE FIRE STATION. IT SAYS HOW FAR AWAY THE FIRE STATIONS ARE, DOESN'T TALK ABOUT THE POLICE STATIONS, DOESN'T GET INTO RESPONSE TIMES. JUST SEEMS LIKE WE COULD HAVE ADDED THOSE PIECES TO MAKE THAT MORE COMPREHENSIVE. UH, I THINK YOU CAN FIND THE SAME THING WITH UTILITY AND SERVICE SYSTEMS IMPACT ANALYSIS. THAT'S PAGE 98 AND 99 OF THE PDF, THE OVERLAY 4.19 A THROUGH C THAT WE GAVE VERY SPECIFIC VOLUME METRICS FOR THE ELLIS CREEK PROCESSING [06:10:01] CAPACITY EARLIER IN THE DOCUMENT. BUT WE HAVE NO ESTIMATES. UH, WE JUST SAY THAT WILL BE SUFFICIENT. THERE IS EXCESS CAPACITY, THE GENERAL PLAN PENS A PLANS A BUILD OUT, UM, OF THESE DEVELOPED AREAS AND THAT EIR, BUT IT DOES ADMIT LIKE IT DOES SEVERAL TIMES THAT THE, UH, DENSITY HERE, IS IT A HIGHER INTENSITY OF BUILDING USE. SO I THINK THEREFORE WE'RE ADDING USAGE ON TOP WHAT THAT GENERAL PLAN EIR SUPPOSES. AND IT WOULD'VE BEEN BETTER TO KIND OF, FOR ME TO KIND OF DIVE INTO, OKAY, WHAT DOES THAT REALLY MEAN ABOUT WASTEWATER PROCESSING AND OUR CAPACITY? AND HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE THERE IN TERMS OF TANGIBLE NUMBERS, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT FOR OUR CITY HAS ALWAYS BEEN AN ISSUE. UH, AND ACTUALLY WHEN WE THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HELEN PUTNAM'S FAMOUS MORATORIUM, THAT WAS ALL BASED ON WASTEWATER. UM, AND SO I THINK REALLY GETTING INTO THAT ANALYSIS AND MAKING SURE THAT, HEY, WE'VE STATED THE NUMBERS IN OUR POTENTIAL CAPACITY, WHY AREN'T WE THEN DOING SOME KIND OF PREDICTION OR USING AVERAGES PER CAPITA OR SOMETHING TO TRY TO SHOW REALLY THAT THAT IS A LESS THAN SIGNIFICANT IMPACT. UM, SO ANYWAY, I WANT TO INTRODUCE THOSE TO, UH, THE REST OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS, SEE IF THEY FEEL LIKE THAT HAS ANY TRACTION. THOSE, THOSE ARE IMPORTANT ONES TO ME IN THE M AND D. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, RICK. YEAH, I'M SATISFIED WITH THE ISM AND D AND NO FURTHER COMMENT. VICE MAYOR. UH, YEAH, I JUST WANNA MAKE A COUPLE COMMENTS. AND POLICE ARE MOBILE AND THE WASTEWATER PLANT IS SUFFICIENT, AND WE DO HAVE A NEW WASTEWATER PLANT AND WE ARE CONTINUING TO UPGRADE THE PLANT. IT'S NOT BACK IN HELEN PUTNAM DAYS WHEN EVERYTHING HAD TO SHUT DOWN BECAUSE WE DID NOT HAVE A WASTEWATER PLANT THAT WAS SUFFICIENT. AND SO THAT'S DEFINITELY, AND POLICE ARE TOTALLY MOBILE AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, HOW WE KIND OF LOOK AT IT. UH, THEY'RE IN THEIR CARS. THEY'RE NOT SITTING AT A POLICE STATION WAITING FOR THE CALLS. NORMALLY THEY'RE OUT ON THE STREETS. AND THAT'S, UNFORTUNATELY, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ON THE STREETS. THAT'S MORE OF A PROBLEM. UM, I'LL GIVE MY COMMENTS BRIEFLY. IT, IT CERTAINLY HELPS THAT FOUR YEARS INTO THIS, WE'VE HAD TO LOOK AT QUITE A FEW M AND D DOCUMENTS AND QUITE , QUITE A FEW, UH, SURROUNDING EIR DOCUMENTS. I, I KEEP THINKING ABOUT SCOTT'S RANCH EVERY, YEAH. UM, AND IT, IT CERTAINLY MADE GOING THROUGH THIS A LOT FASTER. UH, I KNOW ONE PUBLIC COMMENT MADE A JOKE AT THE EXPENSE OF THIS, ABOUT A, A SCALPEL VERSUS A BUZZ SAW. BUT LOOKING AT THIS, THIS ACTUALLY FELT LIKE A RATHER EFFECTIVE SCALPEL. MOST OF THE QUESTIONS, INCLUDING A LOT OF THE ONES I'VE JUST HEARD, WERE PRETTY ADEQUATELY RESPONDED TO IN THE 35 PAGE DOCUMENT THAT STAFF SENT US. I THINK IT WAS, UH, YESTERDAY, THE DAY BEFORE, GIVING FULL RESPONSES TO EVERY LETTER AND EVERY PUBLIC COMMENT SENT IN ABOUT THE M AND D AND ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW. I DO REMEMBER THEY COVERED TRAFFIC. I DO REMEMBER THEY COVERED THE, I THINK THEY EVEN COVERED THE WASTEWATER CONCERN. UM, AND ALSO, WHILE NORMALLY TRAFFIC AND AND PARKING ARE A BIG ISSUE FOR ME AS WELL, SINCE THAT REALLY IS EVERY PROJECT THAT WE GET, THAT IS THE CONCERN. THE, THE CHANGE IN STATE LAW AND THE CHANGE TO VMT IS A BIG COMPONENT OF THAT. THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T SEE THAT PIVOT HERE. SO FOR ME, IF THIS WERE THE ONLY THING WE WERE GETTING TO LEAD INTO THIS, AND THEN IT WAS GONNA BE 10 YEARS BEFORE WE GOT A FULL EIR THROUGH THE GENERAL PLAN, I'D MAYBE HAVE MORE PAUSE. BUT GIVEN THAT THE GENERAL PLAN'S EXPECTED TO BE COMPLETED, VOTED ON, AND RIGHT NOW AT LEAST WORKING WITH THE IZO HAPPENING AT THE SAME TIME, ASSUMING THE TIMELINE, EVEN IF IT'S NOT 2025, EVEN IF IT'S 2026, THIS IS STILL GOING TO TAKE PAST US ANOTHER COUNCIL MEETING. I'M SURE THERE'LL BE OTHER FOLLOW UPS THAT COME WITH THAT. WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT IMPLEMENTATION AND SOMETIME IN 2024, SO THAT'S A A YEAR, MAYBE A YEAR AND A HALF OF THIS BEING ON THE BOOKS. I, I'M NOT SEEING WHERE THE CONSEQUENCES ARE REALLY GOING TO BITE US IN THE BUTT. I MEAN, FRANKLY, WHAT I'M SEEING IS THIS LOOKS MORE LIKE A PILOT PROGRAM. WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT SEEING HOW WE WANT TO ADJUST OUR DOWNTOWN AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS DISCUSSION. THE GENERAL PLAN, AND I WOULD REMIND THE PUBLIC GPAC MEETINGS ARE HAPPENING EVERY MONTH AND THEY'RE HAPPENING ALL YEAR. AND YOU CAN BE PART OF IT AND YOU CAN SHOW UP IN PERSON. THEY'RE ON ZOOM. MANY OF US, UH, HAVE EITHER HAD TO ATTEND MANY OR HAVE FRIENDS OR PARTNERS WHO'VE HAD TO ATTEND MANY. UH, THAT PROCESS IS ONGOING AND THIS CAN HELP INFORM THAT. UM, ALSO LOOKING AT THE, THE, THE CONCERNS WITH REGARDS TO IMPACTS ON OUR HISTORIC RESOURCES. [06:15:02] YES, THIS MIGHT CHANGE PEDESTRIAN FLOW, YES, THERE WILL PROBABLY BE MORE TRAFFIC I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT. THERE WILL BE MORE TRAFFIC THE MINUTE WE DO ANYTHING. RIGHT NOW, WE'RE KIND OF AT PEAK TRAFFIC AS FAR AS THE CITY'S CONCERNED, SO THAT I, I'VE YET TO SEE SOMEBODY WHO CAN BUILD A PROJECT THAT DOESN'T MAKE TRAFFIC WORSE HERE. SO IF WE'RE, I MEAN, JUST BEING REALISTIC, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE POTENTIAL OF WHAT THIS DOES, YOU MIGHT HAVE LARGER BUILDINGS NEXT TO HISTORIC BUILDINGS, BUT LOOKING AT THE SETBACKS THAT STAFF PROVIDED, LOOKING AT THE DIAGRAMS THAT STAFF PROVIDED AND HAVE EXPLAINED AD NAUSEUM, THESE BUILDINGS ARE ISOLATED AND PROTECTED. AND ON TOP OF THAT, THE DESIGN CHARACTERISTICS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, IT'S NOW BEEN EXPLAINED TO US MULTIPLE TIMES. IT WON'T BE EXACTLY COPIED, BUT THEY'LL BE DESIGNED TO RELATE TO EACH OTHER. THAT'S BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS SOMEBODY CAN COME IN AND PUT, UH, 45 FEET IN WITH VERY LITTLE CONSIDERATION AND IT COULD LOOK LIKE ANYTHING. THIS WILL ACTUALLY ADD MORE REQUIREMENTS, NOT LESS. I'M STRAYING A LITTLE BIT, BUT THIS LONG-WINDED WAY OF SAYING, I THINK THE M AND D, WHILE NOT PERFECT DOES WHAT IT NEEDS TO DO. AND I THINK A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS I'VE HEARD HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN ADDRESSED BY STAFF AND WERE ADDRESSED BY STAFF IN A RATHER LENGTHY DOCUMENT. UH, WITH THAT, I THINK I'M THE LAST COMMENT, SO I'M GONNA ASK IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION ON THE M AND D RESOLUTION. I'LL MAKE THE MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. EXCELLENT. COMMISSIONER BAUER? YES. COMMISSIONER MOSES? YES. COMMISSIONER MCCURLEY? YES. COMMISSIONER KUSON? NO. COMMISSIONER WIMAN? YES. VICE MAYOR CATER THOMPSON. YES. CHAIR HOOPER. YES. THE VOTE IS PASSED. WITH THAT, WE WILL NOW MOVE TO TALK ABOUT THE OTHER TWO RESOLUTIONS THAT ARE ON OUR DOCKET. WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS, UH, KIND OF AS A COMBINED TOPIC. UH, THE, I'LL READ BOTH RESOLUTIONS OUT THE FIRST RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF PETALUMA PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDING THAT THE C THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPT A GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT TO INCREASE THE ALLOWABLE FLOOR RATIO OR FAR FOR AREAS DESIGNATED MIXED USE MU AND PUBLIC SLASH SEMI-PUBLIC PSP AND LOCATED WITHIN THE PROPOSED DOWNTOWN HOUSING AND ECONOMIC OVER OPPORTUNITY OVERLAY FROM 2.5 TO 6.0. THE OTHER RESOLUTION WE'RE LOOKING AT IS RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF PETALUMA PLANNING COMMISSION, RECOMMENDING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPT AN ORDINANCE ADDING SECTION 5.070 TO THE CITY OF PETALUMA IMPLEMENTING ZONING ORDINANCE ORDINANCE 23 0 0 NCS, AND AMENDING THE ZONING MAP TO ZONE APPLICABLE PARCELS TO THE PROPOSED DOWNTOWN HOUSING AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY OVERLAY. SO IN SHORT, RIGHT NOW WE'RE TALK, THE DISCUSSION WE'RE HAVING IS ABOUT BOTH THE GENERAL PLANNED AMENDMENT AND THE ZONING TAX, TAX SLASH ZONING MAP AMENDMENTS. UM, FOR THIS ONE, I WILL START WITH JESSICA AGAIN. UM, DO WE NEED TO ASK FOR, UH, AMENDMENTS? NO, WE'RE DOING COVER IF, IF YOU WANT. I MEAN, PART OF THE DISCUSSION IS HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT IT. ARE THERE CHANGES YOU WANNA MAKE? ARE THERE AMENDMENTS? YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY PROPOSE THOSE. OKAY. I DON'T HAVE AMENDMENTS AND IT'S LATE ENOUGH AND I'M JUST GONNA READ WHAT I WROTE INSTEAD OF AD-LIB . UM, OKAY. SO I HEAR THE PUBLIC'S FRUSTRATION WITH THE PROCESS, AND AT PREVIOUS STUDY SESSIONS, I HAVE MADE PUBLIC COMMENT VOICING MY CONCERNS OVER THE OPTICS OF THE OVERLAY IN HOTEL PROJECT. UM, THAT SAID, WHILE IT MAY FEEL LIKE THE TAIL IS WAGGING THE DOG HERE, I STILL THINK IT'S A GOOD DOG. I'M GRATEFUL TO THE PREVIOUS EFFORTS TO SUPPORT AN ENLIVEN PETALUMA'S CORE AND CONSIDER MYSELF LUCKY TO GET TO SPEND MOST OF MY WEEKDAYS IN THE HEART OF OUR DOWNTOWN. STILL, WE MUST ADMIT THAT THERE ARE AREAS THAT COULD BE POLISHED FURTHER AND NEED SOME UPKEEP. I'VE SAID BEFORE, I DON'T FEEL PRECIOUS ABOUT PRESERVING CRACKED PARKING LOTS, 20TH CENTURY BANKS OR VACANT LOTS. WE MUST CONTINUE TO EVOLVE, AND I'M IN FAVOR OF INCENTIVIZING DEVELOPMENT OF THOSE UNDERUTILIZED PLOTS. [06:20:02] THAT SAID, AS A COMMUNITY, WE WISH TO PRESERVE THE CHARM OF OUR HISTORICAL DOWNTOWN DISTRICT, WHICH IS WHY I'M SURPRISINGLY PLEASED WITH THE EVOLUTION OF THE OVERLAY SUB AREAS. ITS POLICIES AND DISCRETIONARY REVIEW TRIGGERS. IT'S NOT NICE TO THINK ABOUT, BUT THE TRUTH IS THAT SOME OF THE HYPOTHESIZED SCENARIOS WHICH COULD YIELD A FOUR STORY DEVELOPMENT NEAR A HISTORICAL RESOURCE OR GOD FORBID, SPELL TROUBLE FOR THE FATE OF THE BUILDING HOUSING BAGEL MILL, OR YOUR FAVORITE DOWNTOWN AMENITY, THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH AN EVENTUALITY EXISTS TODAY WITHOUT THE OVERLAY. AND AS MENTIONED IN THE FAQS, WE DO NOT HAVE A DEVELOPMENT MORATORIUM IN PLACE AND THUS ARE COMPELLED TO RESPOND TO APPLICANTS TO BE CLEAR, ANYTHING HIGHER OR BULKIER THAN WHAT IS CURRENTLY ALLOWED WILL TRIGGER DISCRETIONARY REVIEW WITH PUBLIC INPUT. AND I'M BULLISH ON THE SETBACKS APPROACH TO EFFECTIVELY HELP WITH PRESERVING CHARACTER AND THE VARIABLE HEIGHTS ACROSS DOWNTOWN. WHILE MAKING GOOD ON PROMISES OF DENSITY, WE ARE SIMPLY CHANGING WHAT CAN COME ACROSS OUR DESK, OPENING THE DOOR A TINY BIT WIDER TO ENTERTAIN MUCH NEEDED INFILL. THAT'S ALL. HEIDI. THAT'S VERY WELL SPOKEN CHAIRMAN MOS, UH, COMMISSIONER MOSES. UM, THANK YOU. UM, I, UM, I AGREE WITH YOUR SENTIMENT. UM, MOSTLY I'M, UM, EXCITED ABOUT, UM, INCREASING OUR DENSITY DOWNTOWN. AND I THINK, UM, WE CAN REALLY WORK HARD TO, UM, SORT OF, UM, REPAIR THOSE BLIGHTED AREAS THAT ARE FENCED UP AND VACANT NOW AND ARE DIRT LOCKS. I THINK THOSE ARE THE MOST UNSIGHTLY PART. I'D MUCH RATHER HAVE, UM, SOME SORT OF DEVELOPMENT THERE. I DON'T WANNA SAY ALMOST ANY DEVELOPMENT THERE, BUT THESE, UM, THESE BLINK BLIGHTED AREAS ARE SOMETHING NOBODY LIKES TO WALK THROUGH AND DON'T, THEY DON'T ADD ANY VALUE TO THE COMMUNITY. SO I DO WANNA SEE THESE AREAS DEVELOPED. UM, THAT BEING SAID, UM, I'M NOT SURE I HAVE THAT, UM, MUCH OF A RISK APPETITE FOR, UM, APPROVING, UM, DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA WHEN, UM, WE DON'T HAVE THE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS QUITE COMPLETE YET. SO I'M A LITTLE BIT, UM, RISK AVERSE IN THOSE AREAS, BUT, UM, I CAN TALK ABOUT THOSE LATER WHEN WE GET THERE. UM, BUT FOR THE ACTUAL, UM, IZO, I JUST HAD SOME THINGS THAT I WANTED TO PUT OUT THERE TO THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS THAT, UM, I LOOKED AT SOME OF THE, THE PIECES OF THE IEO AND, UM, AND I WALKED AROUND THE AREA AND, UM, I WOULD BE AN ADVOCATE OF KEEPING, UM, UM, NO GROUND FLOOR RESIDENTIAL ON, UM, BC AND D STREETS. AND THAT WOULD BE IN SUB AREA A SO THAT'S, UM, I WALKED AROUND AND I THINK THESE AREAS SHOULD HAVE SOME SORT OF GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL OR SOME SORT OF PEDESTRIAN, UM, ACTIVATING SPACES. UM, I THINK THERE'S VERY VIBRANT, UM, BLOCKS AND THEY'RE STILL VERY MUCH A PART OF THE, UM, PEDESTRIAN CENTER. SO I'D RATHER HAVE THESE AREAS BE ACTIVATED THAN NOT. UM, OKAY. WITH SUB AREA B AS IT'S ALL WRITTEN. AND THEN FOR SUB AREA C, UM, I THINK GROUND FLOOR RESIDENTIAL SHOULD ALSO NOT BE BUILT OFF OF WASHINGTON STREET. SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS ON THOSE THINGS. UM, I THINK WASHINGTON STREET ALSO IS SUCH A, A, A PROMENADE AND PEOPLE JUST, PEOPLE DRIVE PAST IT AND IT'S, IT'S A BIG PART OF OUR CITY TOO. SO I THINK, UM, TO HAVE GROUND FLOOR RESIDENTIAL ON WASHINGTON WOULD BE A MISTAKE. UM, MY OTHER THING WAS THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT AREAS. SO, UM, IT SAID, YOU KNOW, TO CHOOSE THREE OUT OF SEVEN COMMUNITY BENEFITS, I THINK, UM, THAT, UM, THERE WAS ONE PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE PRIVATE SPACES, UM, IMPROVING STREET SCAPE AND IT DEMONSTRATED AN EXCEPT EXCEPTIONAL ARCHITECTURE. THOSE ARE THE FIRST THREE I THINK WE SHOULD BE REQUIRING, UM, TO, FOR THE, UM, APPLICANT TO, TO, UM, CHOOSE TWO OF THOSE BECAUSE THEY'RE SO BIG AND IMPORTANT. AND THEN CHOOSE ONE FROM THE OTHERS, EITHER 4, 5, 6, AND SEVEN, SIX INCREASED BICYCLE PARKING. I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE LIKE, THAT'S TOO EASY. I THINK I PRETTY FINE REMOVING THAT. BUT, UM, I THINK CHOOSING TWO OUT OF THE BIG THREE OF THEM AND THEN ONE OUT OF THE SMALLER ASKS. OTHERWISE THEY'LL JUST PICK THE THREE LITTLE ONES LIKE, YOU KNOW, BICYCLE PARKING AND, UM, RESPECT AND PRESERVE CULTURAL, HISTORICAL OR ARCHEOLOGICAL RESOURCES LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE DONE PRETTY CHEAPLY AND EASILY. SO I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT HARDER. UM, AND THEN MY LAST COMMENT WOULD BE, UM, THAT I DON'T, I'M NOT REALLY THAT, [06:25:01] UM, FOND OF INCLUDING THE AREA WEST OF KELLER, UM, IN THE OVERLAY DISTRICT BECAUSE THIS AREA HAS THE PHOENIX, IT HAS A PENAL MARKET, IT HAS HALEY'S, AND I DON'T, I FEEL LIKE THIS AREA IS NICE THE WAY IT IS. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO INCENTIVIZE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA. I THINK, UM, IT'S GOOD. I I WOULD BE REALLY SAD TO SEE THOSE THINGS GO AND I DON'T REALLY NECESSARILY, I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA BE PART OF INCENTIVIZING THOSE, UH, OWNERS TO SELL THEIR SITES SO THAT THOSE AREAS ARE DEMOLISHED AND MADE INTO, UM, HIGHER DEVELOPMENT AREAS. SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS AND, UM, I GUESS I'LL TELL YOU HOW WE VOTE WHEN WE COME AROUND FOR THAT. SO, YEAH. OKAY. , THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ROGER. YEAH. UM, I, I'M, I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE INCREASING THE INTENSITY OF DOWNTOWN, OVERALL DOWNTOWN. UH, IT'S OUR SOURCE OF ENERGY, IT'S OUR SOURCE OF PRIDE. SO I REALLY SUPPORT THAT, UH, APPROACH. I'M ALSO SUPPORTIVE OF ZONING CHANGE IF IT WILL ACHIEVE A MORE SUCCESSFUL DOWNTOWN, A BETTER SUPPORT TO THE RESIDENTS, MERCHANTS AND TOURISTS. HOWEVER, I THINK THERE'S A LACK OF VISION WITH THIS PRO PROPOSED OVERLAY ZONE. UM, UH, AND IT CLEARLY HAS RESULTED, UH, IN, UH, LACK OF ENTHUSIASM AND DISTRUST BY THE COMMUNITY. I THINK IT'S OUR FAULT THAT, THAT IT TURNED OUT THAT WAY BECAUSE THE WAY IT WAS HANDLED. SO WE SORT OF BACKED INTO THIS ORDINANCE PROCESS, STARTING WITH A HOTEL APPLICATION, AND THEN IT KIND OF WENT ON FROM THERE. UM, PETALUMA IN MY VIEW, HAS THREE SIGNIFICANT RESOURCES THAT ARE SPECIAL AND UNIQUE TO PETAL PETALUMA. THE GROWTH BOUNDARY THAT DEFINES THE TOWN, THE DEVELOPED AREA IS, IS A BIG ONE. AND THE OPEN SPACE THAT IT CREATES AROUND IT, THE PETALUMA RIVER CORRIDOR, I THINK IS, UH, A HUGE ASSET THAT VERY CITY FEW CITIES HAVE, AND A VERY UNIQUE, UH, DOWNTOWN SENSE OF PLACE OF THE DOWNTOWN. SO EVERYTHING WE DO IN TERMS OF PLANNING SHOULD BE INTERTWINED WITH ALL THREE OF THESE ASSETS. AND THIS, THIS ORDINANCE DOES NOT, UH, INVOLVE ALL THREE OF THESE ASSETS. SO I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, MAKE SURE THAT IT IS PART OF A BETTER PROCESS IN A GENERAL PLAN, UH, UH, EVALUATION AND REVISIONS. AND IT BECOMES A LITTLE MORE OF A DEFINED BY A VISION AND DEFINED BY A PROCESS THAT THE RESIDENTS FEEL THEY'VE BEEN, UH, TREATED DECENTLY. UM, I THINK WE NEED A BIGGER PICTURE EVALUATION BECAUSE OF ALL THE INGREDIENTS THAT WE, THE, THE RESOURCES WE HOPE TO IMPROVE THE WATERFRONT, THE URBAN PARKS, THE PEDESTRIAN STREETS THERE, THERE'S, UH, MAKING, MAKING PETALUMA A BETTER PLACE INVOLVES, UH, STRUCTURED PLANNING ELEMENTS THAT ARE NOT PART OF THIS ORDINANCE. STREET SCAPE, BOULEVARDS THINGS, STRUCTURE THAT HOLDS EVERYTHING TOGETHER. NONE OF THAT IS DEALT WITH IN THIS ORDINANCE, AND IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE PART OF A GENERAL PLAN PHILOSOPHY AND A, AND A VISION THAT LEADS US IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. UM, I, UM, I WOULD PREFER TO REDUCE THE ZONES DOWN TO AREA A ONLY AND LET THE HOTEL PROCEED, DEAL WITH THE HOTEL THROUGH ACUP AND UH, SPAR PROCESS. UH, BUT IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, THEN I'M, I'M ALL ACCEPT A, A CLEAR STATEMENT THAT THE GENERAL PLAN HAS TO REALLY LOOK AT THIS IN MORE DETAIL AND MORE COMPREHENSIVELY THAN WE HAVE TODAY. UM, IN ANY CASE, I THINK ALSO WE NEED TO DEFINE WHAT THE PROCESS, WHAT A PROCESS SHOULD BE THAT TAKES THE RESIDENTS, THE CITIZENS AND THE CITY THROUGH AN ACCEPTABLE, UH, YOU KNOW, EVALUATION OR OPPORTUNITIES. LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVE CONCEPT, SELECTING A CONCEPT, TAKING THAT DOWN SO THE PEOPLE FOLLOW THIS PROCESS AND BUYIN ON EACH PLATEAU. RIGHT NOW WE'RE SAYING, HERE'S THE ANSWER, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT IT? AND IT'S, IT SCARES A LOT OF PEOPLE. UM, SO, UH, I, I, YEAH, AND I THINK THAT, THAT THAT PROCESS, THE GENERAL PLAN NEEDS TO GO THROUGH. I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S WELL DEFINED YET. UH, I'D LIKE, I'D LIKE TO BE FOR THE COMMISSION TO BE PART OF THAT, TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, UM, COHESIVE [06:30:01] AND ACHIEVES, UH, WHAT WE ALL WANT TO DO. UM, SO I'M GIVEN THOSE CONDITIONS, I'M SUPPORTIVE EITHER WAY. THANK YOU, ROGER. DARREN? YEAH. UM, I'LL SAY THE OVERLAY PROJECT, IF NOTHING ELSE REALLY HIGHLIGHTED FOR ME, A LACK OF COHESIVE VISION PLAN AND PROTECTIONS IN PLACE FOR OUR DOWNTOWN AREA. I THINK WE SAW THAT A LOT IN THE PUBLIC PROCESS. I DON'T LOVE THAT THE OVERLAY METASTASIZED INTO WHAT I'M INTERPRETING AS A KIND OF A QUASI REDEVELOPMENT TOOL FOR A LARGE AREA OF DOWNTOWN. AND I KNOW WE'RE TALKING SEMANTICS, THAT IT JUST INCENTIVIZES BUILDING FORMS, BUT I THINK THE EXPRESS PURPOSE IS KIND OF IN THE NAME. IT WAS FOR REDEVELOPMENT TO INCENTIVIZE HOUSING, UH, AND HIGHER INTENSITY USES. UM, SO I THINK THAT FOR LARGE AREAS OF DOWNTOWN, IT'S NOT THE RIGHT TOOL TO REIMAGINE REDEVELOPMENT. AND I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE POSITIONED AS THE ONLY OPPORTUNITY FOR HOUSING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THE UNDER OTHER BENEFITS THAT IT KIND OF PROMISES, UH, THE PROCESSING FOR REIMAGINING OUR DOWNTOWN SHOULD INVOLVE THE COMMUNITY SHOULD BE LED BY THE CITY AND INVESTMENT BY THE CITY, INVOLVE THE COMMUNITY. WE WANT PROPERTY OWNERS, BUSINESS OWNERS, ALL COMMUNITY MEMBERS, ESPECIALLY THOSE WITH EXPERTISE IN THE RELEVANT FIELDS WHEN IT COMES TO PLANNING TO MAKE A VISION AND HAVE LONG IN-DEPTH BACK AND FORTH ABOUT HEIGHT DESIGN, LAND USE CHARACTER ECONOMICS, MORE ABOUT WHAT MAKES A DOWNTOWN. UH, SO FOR ME, ANY RE-IMAGINING BROAD RE-IMAGINING OF WHAT OUR DOWNTOWN SHOULD LOOK LIKE, AND I APPRECIATE, WELL, IT'S A PILOT, WE'RE TRYING THINGS, BUT ANY BROAD REIMAGINING LIKE THAT SHOULD REALLY JUST HAPPEN IN THAT GENERAL PLAN PROCESS. THAT'S WHERE THOSE DISCUSSIONS LIVE. I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT TO SEE AN OUTPUT OF THAT, SOME KIND OF SPECIFIC PLAN FOR THE DOWNTOWN AREA AND FOR MAYBE EVEN THE APPROACH CORRIDORS TO DOWNTOWN TO REALLY CODIFY. AND, AND TO ME A SPECIFIC PLAN HAS VERY DEFINED INPUTS AND OUTPUTS. IT REQUIRES CERTAIN LEVELS OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. IT REQUIRES DEFINED OUTPUTS. WE COULD REALLY GET INTO DEFINING SUB AREAS IN OUR DOWNTOWN, GETTING VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT DESIGN. AND I THINK ALL THE RIGHT VOICES WOULD BE IN THE ROOM. I THINK WHEN WE HAVE SOMETHING DEVELOPED BY AN APPLICANT AND BY OUR STAFF AS TALENTED AS THEY ARE, IT'S NOT ALL OF THE VOICES THAT I WOULD WANT INVOLVED IN THAT CONVERSATION. UM, SO I THINK FOR ME, I, IF WE'RE GONNA MOVE THIS FORWARD AND JUST READING THE ROOM, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S SOME BROAD SUPPORT FOR THIS CONCEPT. I WOULD WANNA LIMIT IT TO AREA A. I WOULD NOT WANT TO MAKE THE EXPERIMENT MORE BROAD THAN IT HAS TO BE, AND I THINK ESPECIALLY AREA C, BUT THOSE SHOULD BE RESERVED FOR THE GENERAL PLAN PROCESS. AND LIKE I SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL TO START THE PROCESS. AND MAYBE THIS IS PUTTING IT IN THE NEXT GENERAL PLAN, OR MAYBE IF WE CAN'T BE THAT STRONG IN OUR LANGUAGE TO RECOMMEND THAT THEY EXAMINE THE POSSIBILITY OF PUTTING IN OUR NEXT GENERAL PLAN THE FORMATION OF THE CREATION OF A DOWNTOWN SPECIFIC PLAN. AND I THINK THEY WOULD OBVIOUSLY DISCUSS THAT. BUT I THINK INCLUDING THOSE APPROACH CORRIDORS, INCLUDING ON WASHINGTON, ON PETALUMA BOULEVARD, COULD BE REALLY GERMANE TO MAKING SURE WE HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE VIEW. AND YOU KNOW, I'VE HEARD VICE MAYOR CATER THOMPSON SAY BEFORE, SHE'S TIRED OF SEEING THE CITY DO THINGS IN PIECEMEAL, AND THIS FEELS VERY PIECEMEAL AND WE'RE ON THE PRECIPICE OF MAKING THE COMPREHENSIVE CHANGES AND THE COMP, HAVING THE COMPREHENSIVE DISCUSSIONS THAT WOULD BE THE EFFECTIVE CITY LED REDEVELOPMENT. I THINK THIS IS REALLY EXCITING TO REIMAGINE DOWNTOWN. AND I THINK WE CAN ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY IN THAT PROCESS, IN THE GENERAL PLAN, IN CREATING A SPECIFIC PLAN. YES, IT'S AN INVESTMENT, IT'S NOT A COST RECOVERY DEAL. UM, BUT I THINK IT'S WHAT WE NEED AND I THINK IT'S MANDATED BY THE PUBLIC INPUT WE'VE RECEIVED TO THIS POINT AND THAT WE RECEIVE TONIGHT THAT THAT IS MORE OF THE PROCESS PEOPLE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN. IF WE TALK ABOUT RE-IMAGINING OUR DOWNTOWN, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE AS DECISION MAKERS HAVE TO BE RESPONSIVE TO. UH, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER WE HAVE CHOICES, AND I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE CHOICES ON THE TABLE, IS TO LIMIT THE SCOPE OF THIS CERTAIN OVERLAY TO REALLY PUSH THE REST OF OUR DECISIONS ABOUT DOWNTOWN TO THE APPROPRIATE PROCESS, NOT TRY TO SHOEHORN IT INTO THE OVERLAY PROCESS. UM, SO WITH THAT, I'LL SAY I ALSO BROADLY SUPPORT COMMISSIONER BOWER'S AMENDMENTS TO THE LANGUAGE. I THINK THOSE ARE ALL, YOU KNOW, WELL THOUGHT OUT AND I SUPPORT THAT. I WOULD ALSO ADVOCATE FOR, FOR THE REMOVAL THAT THE SUNSET PROVISION, UH, AS STANDS NOW, IT SAYS THE SUNSET, UH, THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT SAYS THE SUNSET PROVISION CAN BE RESCINDED BY A MAJORITY VOTE OF THE CITY COUNCIL. I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT STOP GAP FOR THIS OR IMPORTANT, UH, UH, UH, TOOL FOR THIS. SO I THINK WE SHOULD REMOVE THAT. IT COULD JUST BE RESCINDED AND THAT WOULD FORCE THIS PROCESS TO HAVE TO SHOW UP IN THE GENERAL PLAN FOR THE OVERLAY TO MOVE FORWARD. UM, SO [06:35:01] YEAH, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU, RICK BET. UM, SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, SA STAFF DID A GOOD JOB OF, UM, STARTING OUT WITH SOME OF THE IMAGES OF SHOWING THE, THE EVOLUTION OF THE CITY, YOU KNOW, FROM, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ORIGINAL FOUNDINGS THROUGH A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ITERATIONS OF WHAT DOWNTOWN LOOKED LIKE IN DIFFERENT AREAS. UM, AND I THINK THAT WAS INSTRUCTIVE FOR NOT JUST POINTING OUT, UM, HOW A CITY EVOLVES AND THE CHANGES IN ARCHITECTURE, THE CHANGES IN, IN USE OF LAND. UM, BUT IT ALSO SHOWED, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, WELL, I, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. I, I THINK IT WAS INSTRUCTIVE IN DOING SO, BUT WHERE, WHERE IT, IT'S CHALLENGED IS THEN LOOKING FORWARD AND, AND IT'S TOUGHER TO IMAGINE IT'S, IT'S EASIER TO LOOK BACK AND SEE WHAT THE CHANGES HAVE BEEN THAN IT IS TO LOOK FORWARD AND, AND IMAGINE WHAT THE CITY WILL LOOK LIKE. UM, YOU KNOW, WITH NEW ARCHITECTURE AND, AND NEW LAND USE. THAT'S WHY I ASKED SOME OF THE QUESTIONS ABOUT, UM, IF THERE HAD ANY, BEEN ANY APPLICATIONS OF THOSE STEP BACKS, UM, THAT WOULD, UM, YOU KNOW, DISTINGUISH FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, UM, LIKE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE SEEN PROPOSED SO FAR FROM WHAT IS THERE RIGHT NOW AND THE MASSING EFFECT THAT, UM, THAT I THINK FRIGHTENED SO MANY PEOPLE ABOUT WHAT, WHAT THE UNKNOWN COULD LOOK LIKE. UM, IT WON'T LOOK LIKE THE PAST AND IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE THE PAST. AND, UM, I THINK WITH THOSE TYPES OF MEASURES BUILT IN, UM, TO THE OVERLAY AND, AND FUTURE TREATMENTS IN THE, IN THE GENERAL PLAN, WE'RE GONNA SEE, YOU KNOW, A MORE THOUGHTFUL, UM, EVOLUTION OF OUR ARCHITECTURE AND, AND OF OUR LAND USE. UM, AND SO I JUST USE THOSE, THOSE STEP BACKS AS ONE EXAMPLE OF THAT. UM, QUICK PEEK AT MY NOTES. UM, GOING TO THE OVERLAY SPECIFICALLY, UM, I'M, I'M ACTUALLY QUITE SATISFIED THAT THE OVERLAY IS A GOOD INCREMENTAL STEP BETWEEN WHERE WE ARE AND WHERE WE HAVE BEEN AND SOME OF THE, UM, MAYBE SOME OF THE MISTAKES OF THE PAST, UM, IN GENERAL PLANNING AND OVERALL, UM, YOU KNOW, APPROVAL OF, OF, UH, PROJECTS BE ABLE TO CORRECT THOSE IN A, IN A KIND OF TARGETED WAY, UM, THAT STRIKES THE RIGHT BALANCE BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, AVOIDING SPOT ZONING, BUT THEN ALSO NOT JUST KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD TO A MUCH MORE MACRO, UM, GENERAL PLAN PROCESS. AND I LIKE THE TERM THATCHER USED IN TERMS OF A PILOT. UM, AND I THINK THAT IS A, A USEFUL WAY OF THINKING ABOUT IT. WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, IT'S A VERY, UH, TARGETED OPPORTUNITY. IT'S A VERY IDENTIFIABLE OPPORTUNITY OF A NUMBER OF KEY DOWNTOWN PROPERTIES THAT ARE VASTLY UNDERUTILIZED TO THE DETRIMENT OF, OF, OF OUR COMMUNITY OVERALL. AND I THINK THE OVERLAY DOES A GOOD JOB OF ADDRESSING THOSE AND TRYING OUT SOME, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, IZO OR UH, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, IZO MAP AND TEXT, UM, UH, AND, AND GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENTS IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE, UM, FIXING WHAT DIDN'T WORK IN THE PAST AND WHAT LED TO THOSE UNDERUTILIZED SPACES. SO I LIKE THE IDEA ACTUALLY OF USING THIS OVERLAY AS THAT TRANSITIONAL PROCESS FROM THE PAST AND HAVING IT FEED INTO THE GENERAL PLAN 2025, AND THEN ALLOWING THE GENERAL PLAN 2025 TO PICK UP, UM, UM, THAT PROCESS. AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A VERY MODEST TIME BETWEEN NOW, NOW AND THEN. UM, SO I'M, I'M NOT FEARFUL OF A LOT OF DAMAGE BEING DONE, YOU KNOW, IN THE MEANTIME. UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, A PILOT CONCEPT MIGHT EVOKE. UM, SO AS YOU CAN TELL, I'M, I'M, UM, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY FAVORABLE TO THE OVERLAY IDEA. UM, AND I DO THI THINK ALSO IN TERMS OF PROCESS, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF COMMENTARY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GOING TOO FAST. IT'S NOT AS INCLUSIVE AS COULD BE. I, I, I MEAN, I'M, I'M, I THINK I'M QUITE COMPLIMENTARY OF, OF THE PROCESS TO DATE. I MEAN, WE'VE HAD, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN REVIEWED PRETTY EXTENSIVELY, STUDY SESSIONS, UM, UH, BOTH BY A-H-C-P-C AS WELL AS BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. IT'S BEEN A NUMBER OF PUBLIC OUTREACH, UM, UH, OPPORTUNITIES. SO I, I DON'T FEEL LIKE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S BEING SPRUNG ON, ON THE COMMUNITY WITHOUT THE, YOU KNOW, PROPER LEVEL OF INSTRUCTION AND, AND FEEDBACK. UM, SO AGAIN, I, I THINK THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE, UM, BRIDGE FROM, FROM THE PAST TO THE FUTURE. AND, [06:40:01] UH, I'M, UH, INCLINED TO SUPPORT IT. THANKS, MAYOR. OKAY. UM, I'M GONNA START WITH A, UM, I BELIEVE THAT A IS RIGHT FOR DEVELOPMENT. IT IS THE GATEWAY INTO OUR COMMUNITY AND WHAT WE SEE ARE CHAIN LINK FENCES. IT'S UNCOMFORTABLE TO WALK IN THIS AREA, AND WE NEED AN ACTIVATION AREA, AND A IS THE ONE THAT'S REALLY GONNA ACTIVATE, ESPECIALLY FOR, YOU KNOW, BASIN STREET THAT WAS NUMEROUS PROPERTIES THAT HAD TO BE, BE PULLED TOGETHER. IT WASN'T ONE, IT WAS NUMEROUS PROPERTIES AND THEY BROUGHT IT TOGETHER AND IT'S NOT DOING AS WELL AS IT SHOULD BE DOING. AND I THINK WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT OUR, OUR TOWN IS NOT DOING AS WELL AS IT COULD BE. AND WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT, YOU KNOW, TOURISM DOES BRING IN MONEY. UM, AND I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A BALANCE. AND I THINK A, WHEN YOU LOOK AT A, I MEAN, IT'S ALMOST EMBARRASSING THAT THIS IS THE GATEWAY INTO OUR COMMUNITY. AND THEN WITH B, UM, SO I SUPPORT A, UM, AS IS, BUT WITH B UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST RE I DO REMEMBER THE CONTINENTAL HOTEL THERE AND HOW BIG THIS, THIS BUILDING WAS. AND, YOU KNOW, BANKS ARE GONNA GO OUT ONE OF THESE DAYS. I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING. AND SO B IS AN, IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY SITE, UM, FOR THE FUTURE. AND PEOPLE SEEM TO THINK THIS IS GONNA HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. DEVELOPMENT DOESN'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. UM, AND AS FAR AS SEA, I WOULD DISAGREE TO, UM, TAKE OUT PETALUMA MARKET AND HALLEY'S. AND THE REASON IS, IS BECAUSE IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY SITE. I MEAN, RIGHT NOW IT'S, IT'S OUR EAST SIDE, IT'S OUR WEST SIDE GROCERY STORE, BUT EVERYBODY GOES TO THE EAST SIDE. AND SO WE TALK ABOUT GREENHOUSE GASES. WELL, WE REALLY, WE BUILT THE TOWN AS A RED LINE, AND EVERYBODY HAD TO GO TO THE EAST SIDE WHEN THE NEW SAFEWAY WAS BUILT. I MEAN, YOU WERE PEERING THROUGH THIS WHITE, YOU KNOW, WINDOW, TRYING TO LOOK INSIDE BECAUSE IT WAS LIKE THE FIRST BIG GROCERY STORE. AND THEN, UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THEN THEY EVENTUALLY MOVED. AND NOW WE HAVE ALL THESE GROCERY STORES ON THE EAST SIDE. WHERE DO THE WEST SIDERS GO TO GO GROCERY SHOPPING? SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GREENHOUSE GASES, AND THAT'S WHY THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY WITH PETALUMA MARKET TO EXPAND. UM, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT NOT HAPPEN FOR 10, 20, 30, 40 YEARS. IT MAY NEVER HAPPEN. BUT NOT HAVING IT A PLAN MEANS THAT IT WILL STAY EXACTLY THE WAY IT IS. AND, AND THAT'S OKAY. BUT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY. AND BY TAKING IT OUT, UM, YOU'VE TAKEN THAT OPPORTUNITY AWAY. UM, SO I, UH, MY THOUGHT ON C WELL, AND THEN AS YOU'RE WALKING AROUND, THERE ARE SO MANY OPPORTUNITIES WE HAVE. I MEAN, I HEARD TODAY I WAS AT BLUE ZONES, AND SO I'M AT THE BLUE ZONES AND WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE NEED FOR HOUSING, UH, SONOMA COUNTY TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY, YESTERDAY'S MEETING, EVERYTHING WAS ABOUT THE NEED FOR HOUSING. AND WE NEED HOUSING IN OUR DOWNTOWN, WHICH IS CLOSE TO THE SMART STATION. SO MORE PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE WALKING. AND EVENTUALLY IN THE FUTURE, PROBABLY WHEN I'M DEAD DOWNTOWN IS GONNA BE BUSTLING AND PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE WALKING TO THE SMART STATION FOR THEIR TRANSPORTATION. I'VE NEVER SEEN SO MANY PEOPLE RIDING BIKES IN OUR TOWN, PROBABLY MY ENTIRE LIFE. I MEAN, PARENTS WITH CARGO BIKES. AND SO I THINK THE DOWNTOWN IS RIPE TODAY FOR HOUSING. TEACHERS DON'T HAVE HOUSING. UM, I MEAN, A PERSON TODAY AT THE BLUE ZONE SAID, AS SOMEBODY ELSE SAID, I HAVE $3,000 A MONTH FOR AN APARTMENT, OR, YOU KNOW, FOR RENTAL. AND SOMEBODY SAID, WELL, THEN YOU HAVE TO WORK HARDER. AND DIDN'T REALIZE THE WHOLE ROOM HEARD IT. THAT WAS EMBARRASSING. AND THAT IS A PERSON OPPOSING ALL OF THIS TONIGHT. AND SO I THINK THERE'S A REAL DISCONNECT ABOUT WHAT WE NEED IN THIS COMMUNITY. AND WE'RE FORGETTING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YOU WANNA PUT THINGS TO A COMMITTEE, ALL OF THESE DOCUMENTS ARE COMMITTEES AND THEY TAKE A LONG TIME. AND BY THE TIME THOSE DOCUMENTS ARE DONE, THEN IT'S ANOTHER FIVE YEARS BEFORE ANYTHING HAPPENS. WE NEED HOUSING TODAY, AND WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES WITH MONEY FROM THE STATE, BUT I THINK PEOPLE ARE AFRAID OF WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN DOWNTOWN. PEOPLE WANNA HAVE, I THINK PEOPLE ARE JUST AFRAID OF THE CHANGE AND CERTAINLY NOT WANTING LOW INCOME DOWNTOWN MAYBE A PROBLEM. BUT THE BOTTOM, BOTTOM LINE IS WE ALL HAVE TO SHARE IN THE PAIN. AND HOUSING IS A HUGE, HUGE ISSUE. I HEAR FROM CAL ALL THE TIME, AND I FORGET YOUR NAME IN THE MIDDLE, THE YOUNG MAN, SAY IT. THAT'S RIGHT. I MEAN, PEOPLE DESERVE TO BE ABLE TO OWN A HOME ALSO. AND [06:45:01] WE NEED TO, AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, I NEED TO OP, BRING THOSE OPPORTUNITIES FORWARD. AND SO, UM, I SUPPORT A AND B AND AND CI DON'T SUPPORT TAKING HALLEY'S AND PETALUMA MARKET OUT BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST OPPORTUNITIES. IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN, BUT I WILL STILL SHOP THERE NO MATTER WHAT BECAUSE THEY HAVE THINGS THAT I CAN'T GET OTHER PLACES. SO, UM, I'M, I WILL BE SUPPORTING, I, I SUPPORT A, B, AND C AS IS. UM, I CAME IN HERE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT AUGMENTING OFF ON C THE EAST SIDE, UM, AND THEN TAKE THE PHOENIX OUT, EVEN THOUGH THAT IS NEVER GOING TO BE TORN DOWN. BUT IF IT MAKES PEOPLE FEEL BETTER, THAT'S FINE. OR EITHER KEEP IT THE WHOLE, UM, BUT I DON'T, I THINK IT'S A MISTAKE TO, UM, TAKE OUT A MARKET. BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION. UM, CAN THAT PROPERTY BE DESIGNATED AS A MARKET? BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A MARKET GROCERY STORE ON THIS SITE WHERE PETAL OF MARKET IS. SO IS THERE A WAY OF TAKING THAT AND DESIGNATED IT AS GROCERY STORE? ARE YOU, UH, THROUGH THIS PROCESS OR THROUGH A, A SEPARATE, I MEAN, I'M JUST ASKING, I DON'T KNOW. YEAH, SO WE DON'T GET INTO 'CAUSE IT SEEMS TO BE PEOPLE ARE REALLY CONCERNED, BUT OF SOMETHING THAT ISN'T GONNA HAPPEN. SO WE DON'T HAVE AN EXISTING, UH, ZONING DESIGNATION THAT'S JUST SPECIFIC TO A, LIKE A NEIGHBORHOOD MARKET. UM, WE, WE HAVE A PERMITTED USE. UM, AND SO THAT'S IN A NUMBER OF OUR, UM, ZONING DESIGNATIONS. UM, SO IT, THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST WHERE IT'S JUST SOLELY FOCUSED ON ONE WELL TYPE OF LAND USE. BECAUSE I MEAN, EVEN TODAY, UM, THAT PROPERTY COULD CHANGE AND IT COULD BE FOUR STORIES 45 FEET, CORRECT? YES. I MEAN, SO EVEN, EVEN WITH TAKING IT OUT, IT CAN STILL GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF 45 FEET. SO I DON'T THINK IT MAKES ANY SENSE TO TAKE IT OUT. UM, AND I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING ON THE EAST SIDE OF, IS IT KELLER, UH, KELLER STREET. UM, THOSE BUILDINGS COULD, YOU KNOW, CHANGE TOO IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO, EVEN IF THEY'RE IN OR OUT OF, OF THIS ZONING. UM, SO I, UM, I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF YOU WOULD CONSIDER UNDERSTANDING WHY I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT AND MAYBE SUPPORT THAT. AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AN URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY. AND WHEN WE HAD AN STARTED THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY, YOU KNOW, MANY, MANY YEARS AGO IT WAS ALL ABOUT INFILL DEVELOPMENT IN OUR DOWNTOWN AND HEIGHT WOULD HAPPEN. AND SOME PEOPLE THAT WORKED ON THAT SEEMS TO FORGET WHY THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY IS REALLY IMPORTANT AND OTHERWISE WE'RE GONNA SPRAWL OUT AND IT COSTS THE CITY A LOT MORE MONEY WITH ROADS, SEWER, AND EVERYTHING ELSE IN PHIL IS A REALLY IMPORTANT. AND I THINK THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE'VE BEEN GOING AND TO, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THIS IS, WE DON'T WANNA REVERSE THAT. AND SO THIS SEEMS TO TIE RIGHT IN TO 25 YEARS OF DISCUSSING URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARIES AND WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IN OUR DOWNTOWN AND HOUSING WAS PART OF IT. 'CAUSE IN ORDER TO HAVE A STRONG DOWNTOWN, YOU NEED PEOPLE WALKING. AND I'M SUPPORTING A, B AND C AS IS UNLESS ANYBODY WANTS TO AN AUGMENT OF THE EAST SIDE. UH, I LARGELY AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS OF THE VICE MAYOR. I HAVE TO SAY, UM, AS WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS, MY GOAL HAS BEEN TO KEEP THE POLITICIZATION OF IT. I'M NOT SAYING THAT WORD RIGHT AT THIS HOUR, BUT KEEP THE POLITICS OUT OF THIS. WE'RE A PLANNING COMMISSION. WE'RE LOOKING AT AN APPLICANT PROJECT THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT BEFORE US. THIS IS WHY I'VE MET WITH MORE GROUPS AND INDIVIDUALS THAN I CAN COUNT IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS. AND AT THIS POINT, MONTHS WHO HAVE WANTED TO KNOW, UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS. IT IS QUITE CONFUSING IF YOU'VE NEVER HAD TO DEAL WITH IT BEFORE, WHO'VE WANTED BASIC QUESTIONS ANSWERED. PEOPLE WHO LOVED IT, PEOPLE WHO HATED IT. UM, I DO THINK UNFORTUNATELY, AND I'M I'M A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED. I I THINK SOME MISCHARACTERIZATIONS HAVE SHOWN UP ON THE DICE A BIT AT THE END HERE. UM, JUST TO BEGIN, IT IS AN INTERESTING, IT, IT'S FRANKLY SEMANTICS TO CALL THIS A RE-IMAGINING. [06:50:01] IT'S NOT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A ZONING OVERLAY FOR A ACTUALLY SMALL AMOUNT OF THE DOWNTOWN. I KNOW IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE A SMALL PORTION. I'M NOT SAYING IT'S INSIGNIFICANT OR UNIMPORTANT. I KNOW THESE AREAS ARE INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT FOR ALL OF US WHO'VE GROWN UP HERE AND HAVE LOVED THIS TOWN. BUT IT'S NOT NEARLY WHAT IT STARTED OUT TO BE. AND IF YOU'RE CONSIDERING WHAT WE ALL CONSIDER THE DOWNTOWN, IT COULD HAVE BEEN EVEN LARGER THAN THAT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TARGETED PARTS OF THE DOWNTOWN. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GATEWAY POINTS TO BE SURE GOING INTO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT THAT'S WHY IT'S SPECIFICALLY PURPOSED TO HELP ENSURE THAT THE DESIGN WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR ANY PROJECT THAT COMES IN BETWEEN NOW AND THE GENERAL PLAN ACTUALLY HAS SOME KIND OF DESIGN AFFINITY. BECAUSE WITHOUT THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW, THERE'S NOT MUCH THAT'S REQUIRED FOR SOMETHING THAT'S FOUR STORIES OR 45 FEET. YOU DON'T HAVE ANY NUMBER OF THINGS GOING INTO THESE AREAS. THIS WILL ACTUALLY ADD MORE PROTECTIONS FOR A DOWNTOWN, NOT LESS, NOTHING IN THIS MANDATES DEVELOPMENT. NOTHING IN THIS MANDATES REDEVELOPMENT. NOTHING IN THIS MANDATES OR MAKES IT EASIER TO DEMOLISH OR DESTROY THE THINGS THAT KEEP, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR DOWNTOWN WHAT IT IS. I REMEMBER GROWING UP HERE WHEN THE DOWNTOWN WAS EMPTY. I REMEMBER WHEN THE JOKES WERE THAT A RESTAURANT WOULDN'T LAST LONGER THAN, UH, A WEEK. USUALLY IT'S, OH, YOU YOU WENT IN GREAT. HOW LONG TILL THEY'RE GONE? MY PARENTS USED TO MAKE THOSE JOKES FOR YEARS. WHY WE COULDN'T SUSTAIN BUSINESSES FOR VERY LONG. NOW WE HAVE TOURISM AND WE HAVE AN EVENING, UH, WEEKEND SCENE NOW. BUT RATHER THAN GETTING INTO SEMANTICS AND RATHER THAN GOING ON ASSUMPTION, I JUST WENT AND TALKED TO DOWNTOWN BUSINESS OWNERS. I JUST DID IT INDIVIDUALLY. THERE WERE A HANDFUL WHO WEREN'T CERTAIN, THERE WERE A HANDFUL WHO DIDN'T CARE. BUT OVERWHELMINGLY I HEARD THE FOLLOWING WE'RE DYING OR HAVING A HARD TIME SUSTAINING BUSINESS FOR THE THREE DAYS WHERE PEOPLE DON'T COME HERE MONDAY, TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY. THEY HAVE TO MAKE ALL THEIR PROFITS ON THE BIG NIGHTS AND THEN HOPE THAT GETS THEM THROUGH THE REST. IT'S WHY, WHY YOU THINK SO MANY OF YOUR BUSINESSES CLOSE AT WEIRD HOURS? IT'S 'CAUSE THEY CAN'T GET THE SHIFTS COVERED. THAT'S A REAL PROBLEM. AND IT'S ONLY GONNA GET WORSE. I DON'T REALLY WANT TO SEE US MOVE BACKWARDS. NOW, THIS OVERLAY BY ITSELF IS NOT GOING TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM ANYTIME SOON. BUT IT MIGHT HELP. YES, THIS WAS INITIATED BY AN APPLICANT WHO WANTS TO BUILD A HOTEL. I STILL CAN'T TELL YOU HOW I FEEL ABOUT THAT HOTEL. I CAN TELL YOU I LIKE THE OVERLAY THOUGH. I LIKE THE OVERLAY BECAUSE WHAT IT GIVES THE TOWN AND WHAT IT'S ALLOWED US TO INVEST IN, UM, THE VICE MAYOR HELD UP ALL OF THOSE PLANTS THAT STACK OF PLANTS. NOW I'M 33, BUT EVEN AS A TEENAGER, I REMEMBER A GOOD CHUNK OF THOSE BEING A FOREVER FIGHT IN THE NEWSPAPER. I, I REMEMBER MY PARENTS CURSING ABOUT WHAT ARE THEY TRYING TO DO NOW WHEN I HEAR, LET'S JUST WAIT TILL THE GENERAL PLAN, WHAT I ACTUALLY HEAR IS LET'S WAIT FOR THE GENERAL PLAN TO FIGHT ABOUT DOING SOMETHING. LET'S KICK THAT OFF TO A PROCESS FOLLOWING THE GENERAL PLAN. WE'LL GO FOR AN AREA SPECIFIC PLAN, BUT THEN THAT'S GONNA TAKE US ANOTHER SEVEN YEARS AND YOU KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD. WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY PILOT SOMETHING THAT CONTRARY TO OTHER COMMENTS, ISN'T SIGNIFICANT TO THE SCOPE OF THE DOWNTOWN. IT REALLY ISN'T. WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PILOT SOMETHING THAT IN A YEAR AND A HALF, MAYBE TWO YEARS, PROBABLY WON'T GET MUCH USE. AND THEN USE THAT TO REALLY FORCE THE CONVERSATION. IN THE GENERAL PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE, THERE WAS A QUOTE THAT SOMEBODY SAID TODAY THAT WORRIED ME THE RIGHT PEOPLE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THE RIGHT PEOPLE ARE INVOLVED. UH, THE REASON WE WENT THROUGH SUCH AN EXHAUSTIVE PROCESS AS A CITY TO BUILD THE GENERAL PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE WAS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANNA JUST ASK THE SAME PEOPLE. NOT JUST THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE TIME, NOT JUST THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE MONEY, NOT JUST THE PEOPLE WHO DESIGN IS THEIR THING, BUT THE WHOLE COMMUNITY. WE HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS WHO DO CANNOT SHOW UP TO THESE MEETINGS, WHO HAVE KIDS WHO WORK, WHO ARE NOT REPRESENTED HERE VERY OFTEN. SO THE POINT OF GPAC WAS TO ACTUALLY DRAW FOR THOSE COMMUNITIES. AND IT'S NOT PERFECT, BUT IT'S DRAWN MORE THAN YOU WOULD NORMALLY SEE. SO WHY ON EARTH WOULD WE HOPE FOR ANOTHER ADVISORY PROCESS AFTER THAT WHEN WE'VE GOT A BODY RIGHT NOW WHO CAN SEE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, SEE HOW IT WORKS IN REAL TIME? 'CAUSE IF WE'RE BEING HONEST, THERE'S MAYBE ONE OR TWO PROJECTS WE'LL SEE COME OUT OF THIS [06:55:01] AND THEN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AS PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN, AS PART OF THE IZO. AND WE HAVE A WAY BETTER SHOT OF A MORE INCLUSIVE PROCESS THAN IF WE THEN FOLLOW UP WITH A COMMUNITY ADVISORY PROCESS WHERE WE'RE JUST GOING TO SELF-SELECT THE SAME PEOPLE WHO HAD THE TIME BEFORE. AND THAT'S WHAT I DON'T WANT TO SEE HAPPEN WITH THIS. BECAUSE CONTRARY TO WHAT WAS ALSO SAID ABOUT THE HOUSING ELEMENT, WE WERE RATED AS HAVING LIKE A PLUS GREAT HOUSING ELEMENT. GOOD JOB. THAT WASN'T TO SAY, HEY, YOU DID IT. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. THAT WAS TO SAY THAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR ENOUGH OPPORTUNITIES. THAT BEING SAID, IT DIDN'T SAY YOU'VE MET YOUR, YOUR STANDARDS WE'RE TYPICALLY BEHIND ALMOST EVERY CITY'S TYPICALLY BEHIND WHEN IT COMES TO HOW MUCH WE NEED TO BUILD. SO MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR HOUSING, THE BETTER. AND AGAIN, AS STAFF HAS ANSWERED REPEATEDLY THROUGHOUT THIS, THIS DOESN'T NECESSARILY CREATE AN EXPLOSION OF HOUSING. THIS JUST OFFERS MORE OPPORTUNITY THAN THERE IS NOW. UM, THERE, THERE ARE A FEW FOLKS HERE WHO HAVE, I, I THINK WE'RE IN DISAGREEMENT AT THE MOMENT, BUT I'VE WORKED WITH IN THE PAST. UH, I KNOW EITHER DIRECTLY INADVERTENTLY BILL CORD'S BEEN REFERENCED TONIGHT. BILL CORDEM, HE FOUNDED SONOMA COUNTY CONSERVATION ACTION. HE ALSO IS PART OF WHY WE HAVE AN URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY. PART OF WHY WE'RE NOT SAN JOSE. I USED TO WORK FOR THAT ORGANIZATION. BILL CORDO MEANS A LOT TO ME. BILL CORDO TALKED ABOUT CITY CENTER GROWTH. BILL CORDO TALKED ABOUT HEIGHT. BILL CORDO TALKED ABOUT DENSITY IN YOUR DOWNTOWN WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARIES. THAT'S WHAT HE MEANT WHEN HE WAS TALKING ABOUT NOT BECOMING SAN JOSE. IF YOU SPEND ANY TIME IN SAN JOSE, YOU'LL NOTICE IT'S NOT THE HANDFUL OF TALL URBAN CENTER BUILDINGS THAT MAKES IT A PROBLEM. IT'S THE ENDLESS SPRAWL THAT SURROUNDS IT. WE'RE LITERALLY TALKING ABOUT HEIGHT RIGHT NOW, NOT SPRAWL. WE ARE IN NO, BY NO MEANS IN DANGER OF BECOMING AN EXPLODED CITY IN THE NEXT, IN THE NEXT YEAR AND A HALF. AND ON TOP OF THAT, BECAUSE OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE ADDED, IT'LL PROBABLY TAKE A YEAR AND A HALF JUST TO GET A PROJECT THROUGH. SO BY THE TIME SOMETHING DOES GET DONE, IF WE'RE BEING HONEST WITH OURSELVES, IT'LL ALREADY HAVE HIT THE SUNSET. AND I KNOW I'M, I'M GOING AT A LITTLE BIT OF LENGTH HERE, BUT I SAY ALL OF THIS BECAUSE I HAVE, IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE I'VE SEEN THIS MANY DIVISION BETWEEN PEOPLE WHO ARE TYPICALLY FRIENDS. AND IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE I'VE SEEN THIS MUCH COMMENTARY FROM THE PUBLIC ACTING AS IF FOLKS WHO DISAGREE WITH THEM ARE THE ENEMY. UH, ONE COMMENT THAT WAS MADE IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO GET US TO LISTEN? THE ASSUMPTION WAS THAT ONLY THE ONLY PEOPLE TALKING TO US ARE CITIZENS WHO HATE THIS. I CAN TELL YOU MY INBOX IS FILLED WITH JUST AS MANY PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT IT. THEY DON'T NECESSARILY LIVE IN THE SAME PLACES IN PETALUMA, BUT THEY SUPPORT IT. WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO THE WHOLE COMMUNITY, NOT JUST FOLKS WHO ARE THE ANGRIEST ABOUT IT OR FOLKS WHO ARE THE HAPPIEST ABOUT IT. SO TO ALSO KIND OF PUT A QUELL ON THIS IDEA THAT, OH, THIS IS A RUBBER STAMP THING OR THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY'VE BEEN IN THIS FROM THE BEGINNING. WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO FAIRLY ASSESS THIS PROJECT AND WE'RE ASSESSING IT WITH THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE. AND IT'S BEEN WHAT, MORE THAN SIX MONTHS NOW OF GOING THROUGH HAVING HEARING AFTER HEARING. I KNOW FOR SOME FOLKS IT SEEMS LIKE IT JUST HAPPENED YESTERDAY. SO I'M NOT TRYING TO DISRESPECT THE FACT THAT FOR SOME THEY DON'T HAVE THE TIME. THEY CAN'T ENGAGE. THEY'RE LIKE, YOU WANT TO DO WHAT WITH THE DOWNTOWN? HOW DARE YOU? I TOTALLY GET THAT. BUT THERE ARE OTHERS WHO'VE SHOWN UP THAT I KNOW KNOW BETTER THAT THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A WHILE THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT. IN FACT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE STAFF REPORT THAT CAME, THAT CAME BEFORE THE MEETING, IT COVERS HOW THIS STARTED AS A MUCH BIGGER OVERLAY PROPOSAL. AND WE'VE SHRUNK IT DOWN, SHRUNK IT DOWN, SHRUNK IT DOWN. WE'VE KEPT TARGETING IT BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN LISTENING TO THE PUBLIC. SO THAT I WILL, I WILL GET OFF MY SOAPBOX A LITTLE BIT. UH, I PERSONALLY SUPPORT A AS IT IS. I ALSO SUPPORT B AS IT IS AND I FRANKLY SUPPORT C AS IT IS I WOULD SUPPORT. UM, I KNOW PAUL ISN'T HERE, BUT I THOUGHT HIS ZONING TEXT AMENDMENTS MADE A LOT OF SENSE. I THAT RESOLUTION THAT THEY PA THEY WORKED ON DIDN'T PASS. SO I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT ADDED IN. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE ROGER'S STIPULATIONS WITH REGARDS TO MAKING SURE THAT IT'S STATED CLEARLY WE ARE PASSING THIS NOW, BUT WE EXPECT THIS TO BE FULLY FLUSHED OUT IN OUR GENERAL PLAN PROCESS FROM DAY ONE. UM, I, AND I ALSO FULLY SUPPORT, UH, THE AMENDMENTS THAT HEIDI WAS TALKING ABOUT. I THINK WE ADD THIS TOGETHER AND WE HAVE A REALLY GOOD PILOT TEST BED THAT'S GOT ALL THE PROTECTIONS WE NEED BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S PIVOTING RIGHT INTO THE GENERAL PLAN. [07:00:01] AND IF ANYTHING, IT'S GIVING THEM PROBABLY SOME FORM TO WORK OFF OF BECAUSE SOMETIMES THE STUFF CAN GET ETHEREAL AND YOU TAKE FOREVER TALKING ABOUT GOALS AND YOU DON'T NECESSARILY DRILL DOWN. AND THIS WILL GIVE THEM SOMETHING TO DRILL DOWN ON. AND IF IT WILL MAKE PEOPLE FEEL SAFE, TOTALLY FINE WITH REMOVING. AND I, I I HOPE OUR, OUR COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE DOES NOT FEEL LIKE WE'D BE OVERREACHING, BUT I FOR ONE WOULD BE FINE WITH YEAH, LET'S SOLIDIFY THE, UM, THE SUNSET, RIGHT? LIKE IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S THE THING. IF PEOPLE ARE REALLY WORRIED THAT WE'RE GONNA GET SOME COUNCIL THAT LIKE TWIRLY MUSTACHE IS LIKE, WE'RE GONNA TAKE THIS AWAY. NO, LET'S SOLIDIFY. 'CAUSE LORD KNOWS THE HISTORY OF THIS TOWN. WE'VE HAD SOME WEIRD ONES, UH, LET'S SOLIDIFY THE SUNSET. AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD COMPROMISE PERSONALLY. AND I HAVE GONE ON WAY TOO LONG ON THIS. YEAH, DARREN, WELL I'LL JUST RESPOND QUICKLY AND AND I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTARY. YOU KNOW, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, I AND I, I DON'T THINK THESE ARE LIKE PERSONAL ATTACKS ON ME, BUT THE RIGHT PEOPLE IN THE ROOM. I MET A BROAD SWATH OF COMMUNITY. I DIDN'T MEAN THE STANDARD PEOPLE WHO GET INVOLVED WITH CITY POLITICS. I JUST MEANT ALL THE PEOPLE WHO TOUCH ON DIFFERENT PARTS OF CITY LIFE OR DIFFERENT PARTS OF DOWNTOWN LIFE THAT I WOULD WANT ALL THOSE VOICES REPRESENTED. AND OF COURSE THE BROADER COMMUNITY REPRESENTED. SO IF I DIDN'T USE MY LANGUAGE PROPERLY, THAT'S, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, UH, NOT MY INTENTION. UH, AND I'M NOT PROPO AND I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE GOALS OF THE OVERLAY. I WAS TRYING TO BE RESPONSIVE TO THE PUBLIC AND HAVE THIS DISCUSSION TO REALLY WHAT IS PROBABLY THE MOST APPROPRIATE FORUM, WHICH IS THE GENERAL PLAN. IF THIS DOESN'T RESULT IN SOME KIND OF SPECIFIC PLAN, THAT'S FINE TO ME. I ALWAYS TRY TO LOOK AT LIKE THE IDEAL SCENARIO, RIGHT? AND FOR ME, WE GET SOME OF THE BEST OUTCOMES WHEN WE DO HAVE THOSE LONG FORM DISCUSSIONS AND AT LEAST PEOPLE BUILD TRUST, THEY FEEL ENGAGED AND THEY FEEL LIKE THEY AREN'T HAVING A DECISION FOISTED UPON THEM. SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY I ADVOCATED FOR LOOK, LIMIT THIS PUSH AS MUCH OF IT AS WE CAN INTO THE GENERAL PLAN PROCESS. THEN WE CAN ANALYZE, DID THIS MAKE SENSE? DO WE WANT TO EXPAND IT? UH, INSTEAD OF KIND OF PREEMPTING AND THEN BACKING INTO IT. SO I JUST WANTED TO CHARACTER JUST MAKE SURE I CHARACTERIZE MY COMMENTARY APPROPRIATELY. IT IS LATE AT NIGHT. SO IF I'M NOT USING THE RIGHT WORD CHOICES AND I COME OFF LIKE SOME KIND OF JERK , THAT IS NOT MY INTENTION AT ALL. NO, MY INTENTION IS ALWAYS TO BE RESPONSIVE TO COMMUNITY AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT INPUT THAT, YOU KNOW, ADMITTEDLY IT IS ON BOTH SIDES. AND I WORK WITH DOWNTOWN. BUSINESS OWNERS HAVE TOLD ME THEY'RE BROADLY SUPPORTIVE, BUT I DID SEE A DEFINITE PUSH. EVEN THOSE FOLKS WHO SUPPORTED IT WANTED TO SEE MORE INVOLVEMENT IN THE PROCESS AND ESPECIALLY MORE BACK AND FORTH WHERE SOMETHING DOESN'T SURFACE AS GENERATED FROM STAFF AND AN APPLICANT. WE COMMENT, THEY GET THREE MINUTES, IT SURFACES AGAIN. IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE A BACK AND FORTH THAT'S COLLABORATIVE. SO I JUST WANTED TO ADVOCATE FOR AS MUCH OF THIS KIND OF CHANGE TO BE IN A COLLABORATIVE PROCESS. UM, WITH THAT SAID, YEAH, I DO APPRECIATE ADDING THE AMENDMENT ON SUNSET, SO THAT MAKES ME HAPPY. I WOULD STILL ADVOCATE TO REMOVE SEA ONLY BECAUSE WHEN LOOKING AT SEA, IT HAS THE MOST DEVELOPED LOTS AND TWO OF THE VACANT, LOTS OF THE THREE ALREADY ARE IN PLANNING ENTITLEMENTS TO DEVELOP. SO I THINK THERE'S THE LEAST KIND OF THE, THE LOWEST AMOUNT OF VACANCIES OR LOTS THAT REALLY COULD USE DEVELOPMENT. UH, AND YOU KNOW, IT IS THE BIGGEST AREA AND THE AREA WITH THE MOST BELOVED EXISTING LANDMARKS. UH, SO THAT'S MY ARGUMENT AGAINST SEA. BUT I I WOULD AL TO BE HONEST, THAT THAT WOULD BE FINE. 'CAUSE YOU, YOU'VE MADE A GREAT POINT OF IT IS THE MOST DEVELOPED THE LEAST AMOUNT OF VACANCY RATE. UH, AND BY THE WAY, I, I DO APOLOGIZE A LITTLE BIT. I WAS MERGING A FEW OF YOUR COMMENTS WITH OTHER THINGS I HAD HEARD AND I IT WAS A LITTLE TOO DIRECT. I DID NOT MEAN TO MISCHARACTERIZE WHAT YOU WERE SAYING THAT WAY. 'CAUSE I AGREE THIS DOES NEED TO BE MORE BACK AND FORTH AND WE DO NEED TO BE RESPONSIVE TO THE PUBLIC. IT'S JUST BEEN HARD BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING MORE SO THAN A LOT OF ISSUES IN THE PAST. WE'RE GETTING, WE'RE NOT GETTING A LOT OF IN BETWEEN. WE'RE GETTING LIKE PEOPLE WHO ARE DIEHARDS OR PEOPLE WHO ARE COMPLETELY AGAINST. AND WE TECHNICALLY REPRESENT ALL OF THEM. SO WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND AS WE LOOK AT THIS. UM, OKAY, SO STRUCTURALLY, AND I FEEL LIKE I'M GETTING THE LOOKS OF LIKE, OH MY GOD, CAN WE GET A MOTION AND BE DONE? UM, WE COULD JUST DO A STRAW POLL, BUT I'M, I'M JUST GONNA ASK IF WE DID, UH, IF WE SUPPORTED PASSING, AND I DON'T EVEN WANT TO HAVE TO DO THE THINK THROUGH WHICH RESOLUTION IS WHICH, BUT IF WE SUPPORT PASSING, UH, SECTIONS A AND B, WE INCLUDE PAUL'S AMENDMENT, PAUL'S ZONING, TEXT AMENDMENTS, WE INCLUDE, UH, ROGER'S POINT ON ON MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE STATING DEFINITIVELY THAT THIS HAS TO BE CARRIED FORWARD IN THE GENERAL PLAN PROCESS. WE [07:05:01] INCLUDE HEIDI'S POINTS AND WE INCLUDE, UH, DARREN'S MODIFICATION TO THE SUNSET CHAIR. HOOPER. YES. UM, AM I DOING THIS WRONG? I YOU'RE DOING GREAT, . YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB THE WHOLE NIGHT AND EVERYBODY HAS, BUT I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE, I'D LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFICITY ON THAT, ON THOSE ON, AND MAYBE EVEN GET STRAW POLLS TO SEE WHAT THE FINAL MOTION THAT'S GONNA BE SUCCESSFUL IS. UM, AND, AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE BEEN RAISED, I THINK ARE PROBABLY RECOMMENDATIONS IF THEY GO FORWARD WITH SUPPORT OF A MAJORITY OF THE COMMISSION ARE PROBABLY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE COUNCIL, COUNCIL OUTSIDE THE ORDINANCE. RIGHT. SO, UM, AND STAFF, YOU MAY BE GLAD TO HEAR ARE COMPILING A LIST, UM, IN THE BACKGROUND HERE. IF SO, I THINK WE CAN HELP YOU DO THAT. RUN THROUGH, DO SOME STRAW POLLS HELP CONSTRUCT THE FINAL MOTION. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. DOES THAT SOUND OKAY? I WOULD LOVE THAT. THANK YOU. CAN I ASK THAT, UM, THOSE ADDITIONS AND AMENDMENTS GET THROWN UP ON SCREEN SHARE IN BULLETS, JUST SO WE CAN TRACK WHAT ALL WE'RE RATTLING OFF, PLEASE? CAN WE DO THAT? I THINK WE CAN DO THAT. I ADDED THE, UH, DECISION POINTS TEXT INTO THE INTERNAL NOTES DOCUMENT. YEAH. AND I'VE, I'VE STARTED TO DO IN TRACK CHANGES, SOME CHANGES TO THE SUNSET REVISION, THE, UH, FINDINGS TO GO, UH, OVER 60 FEET. I SUGGEST WE PULL THAT DECISION POINT LIST OUT AND PROJECT IT. CAN WE DO THAT? UM, ISABEL CAN YOU PULL THAT UP PLEASE? I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A ZOOM CONNECTION. THANK YOU. I CAN PASTE IT AND SEND IT TO SOMEBODY IF THAT'S HELPFUL. OKAY, GOOD. CAN YOU STILL ZOOM, ZOOM UP? OH, THAT'S PRETTY GOOD. THANKS. SO, SO WE CAN, THEY'RE DOING SOME FINAL CLEANUP. WE CAN GO DOWN ONE BY ONE AND I THINK WE'LL NEED TO, UM, BUT TO ME, LIKE ITEMS EIGHT, NINE, AND 10 WOULD BE RECOMMENDATIONS OUTSIDE THE ORDINANCE. UM, AND FOR ITEM SIX, WHEN WE GET TO THAT, I CAN, I CAN SPEAK TO IT. ONE THING IS, REMEMBER WHEN THIS GOES TO THE COUNCIL, IT'S GONNA HAVE CLEANER, UM, JURISDICTION, MEANING IT CAN DO EXACTLY WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS. IT CAN DO COMPLETELY OTHERWISE IN THE RECOMMENDATION. IT CAN AND IT CAN DO IT ON WHATEVER GROUNDS IT CHOOSES, AS LONG AS THEY'RE ONES SUPPORTED IN THE LAW. UM, AND SO, AND, AND THERE'S SOME MECHANICAL THINGS WITH THAT THAT YOU CAN PROBABLY INFER FROM THAT, BUT THAT WE CAN EXPLAIN. SO WHEN STAFF'S READY, I THINK WE CAN RUN THROUGH AND WHO, WHO WANTS TO TAKE TAKE THE LEAD? IS THAT ANDREW, OR? SURE. OKAY. AS LONG AS MY MICROPHONE DECIDES THAT IT'S NOT GONNA GO TO SLEEP. SLEEP. UM, SO I THINK FOR, HAVE A QUESTION OF JAN, UH, OF THIS COUNCIL MEMBER. I HAVE A QUESTION ON PETALUMA MARKET. YES. UM, I I THINK THAT'S THE THIRD RAIL. I MEAN, I THINK IT'S THE BEST MARKET IN PETALUMA. I'M NOT DISAGREEING. I HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO SHOPPED THERE AND PARKING LOT'S ALWAYS CROWDED. WHY DO WE WANT TO SAY WE DON'T APPRECIATE IT? OR WHY DO WE SAY IT'S DISPOSABLE? 'CAUSE I I'M NOT SAYING IT'S DISPOSABLE. WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES TO MAYBE EXPAND A MARKET, UM, AND YOU HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND. I MEAN, WHAT HAPPENS IF, IF THE OWNERS DECIDE THAT THEY WANNA GO AHEAD AND EXPAND THE REALITY AND THEY MAY WANNA PUT HOUSING ABOVE. I MEAN, THEY HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY AND THAT'S ALL IT IS. BUT, BUT BE REAL. 'CAUSE THE REALITY OF A, OF A SUPERMARKET, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IT'S 40,000 SQUARE FEET, THAT'S WHAT THEY NEED FOR A NEW SUPERMARKET. SO IT AIN'T IT AIN'T GONNA BE PEDAL OF THE MARKET ANYMORE. IT'S GONNA BE A BIG MACHINE THERE. AND I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA, I THINK THAT'S THE THIRD RAIL. WELL, I, I'M JUST LOOKING AT IT AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR 10, 20 YEARS OUT. I'M NOT LOOKING AT TODAY, I'M LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE AND WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. AND THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, UM, THAT THOSE OPPORTUNITIES ARE THERE. NONE, NONE OF THIS MAY EVER HAPPEN. A LOT OF IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. BUT I, I MEAN, IT'S JUST AN OPPORTUNITY THAT NOW THE, THE OWNERS HAVE OPPORTUNITIES. THEY CAN, NOBODY KNOWS WHAT PEOPLE'S FINANCES ARE. NOBODY KNOWS WHAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA DO. [07:10:02] UM, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T WANNA TELL PEOPLE WHAT TO DO, BUT I'D RATHER GIVE SOMEBODY AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING. I'M NOT TAKING ANYTHING AWAY. IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT THEY, AS, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS, THEY COULD SAY, OH, WELL MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WORKS OR IT'S NOT GONNA WORK. SO I'M NOT LOOKING AT ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. MAYBE NOT IN MY LIFETIME, BUT IT'S JUST THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE IT THERE. UM, IT'S, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S 40% OF THE PUBLIC LIVES ON THE, ON THIS SIDE OF TOWN AND 60% ON THE OTHER. AND I JUST THINK YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THE 40%. YEP. I GO THERE . THAT'S WHY I GO ACROSS TOWN. UM, AND I JUST THINK IT'S JUST AN OPPORTUNITY. IT'S NOT TAKING AWAY ANYTHING. IT'S JUST THAT. AND WELL, AND, AND JUST TO BUILD ON THAT, I THINK THEN IF WE'RE PROPOSING A CHANGE, AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT, THIS MIGHT NEVER HAPPEN, THIS MIGHT NOT HAPPEN IN OUR LIFETIME. DO WE GAIN SOMETHING BY BUILDING SOME PUBLIC TRUST, BY SAVING SOME AREAS THAT PEOPLE ARE REALLY INVESTED IN? ARGUABLY THE SUBSECTION OF THIS THAT ALREADY HAS THE MOST GOING ON IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT AND PUTTING THAT TO A PROCESS IN TWO YEARS WHERE IF NOTHING MIGHT HAPPEN IN OUR LIFETIMES TO, TO JUST REMOVE IT JUST FOR THAT SAKE TO FEEL LIKE WE'RE BEING RESPONSIVE AND, AND, AND IT DOESN'T GET RID OF OPPORTUNITY THERE. AND I'M, I'M ACTUALLY GOOD WITH THAT. I MEAN, I REALLY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. 'CAUSE THAT CAN GO THROUGH THE GENERAL PLAN. I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE LIBERTY STREET, THOSE OPPORTUNITIES IN. SO MAYBE JUST CHANGE THE LINE, WHICH WOULD BE, UM, IS IT LIBERTY STREET? YEAH. OR YEAH, LIBERTY STREET. AND JUST MAYBE TAKING THAT OUT ON BOTH SIDES. YEAH, IT IT ON THE EAST AND THE WEST SIDE. AND THEN IT GOES THROUGH THE GENERAL PLAN PROCESS. UH, AT THE RISK OF SENDING IMPATIENT, I WOULD LIKE TO MOTION PROPOSE, I DON'T KNOW, UM, THAT WE STRIKE, UH, THAT WE ADJUST SUBAR C TO REMOVE ANYTHING THAT FRONTS KELLER, BUT KEEP, SO I'M, I'M SORRY, I'M LOOKING AT THE PARCEL INVENTORY REPORT. SUBAR C OVERHEAD VIEW FIGURE 14, TAKE OUT ONE, AND THEN KEEP THE LIBERTY SIDE OF TWO AND KEEP THREE. SO I'M IN ATTACHMENT L, PAGE 17. OKAY. IF YOU WANNA GET A OVERHEAD VISUAL, SO IT WOULD TAKE OFF THE PHOENIX AND THE MARKET. UM, BUT KEEP THE LIBERTY SIDE STUFF AND THE YEAH, THAT WOULD BE PERFECT ON BOTH SIDES OF LIBERTY STREET. AND THEN, YEAH, KEEP BOTH SIDES OF LIBERTY STREET, BUT NEITHER SIDE OF KELLER. AND THAT'S, I'M GOOD WITH THAT 'CAUSE THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ANOTHER BITE AT THE APPLE DURING THE GENERAL PLAN PROCESS. OKAY. IS THAT A MOTION OR, SO STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING VERY QUICKLY TO GIVE US THESE STRAW POLL OPTIONS. I BELIEVE THEY HAVE JUST ADDED THAT AS A STRAW POLL OPTION. AT THE RISK OF ALSO NOT SOUNDING IMPATIENT, I THINK WE SHOULD GO THROUGH OUR STRAW POLL OPTIONS TO BUILD THIS MOTION. OKAY. I DON'T SEE THIS MOTION. A QUESTION ON THREE MODIFY TO ADD PEDESTRIAN SLASH FAADE ACTIVATION. UH, THIS IS BUILDING FACE ONLY, RIGHT? NOT THE SIDEWALK. I MEAN, AS I UNDERSTAND THE AMENDMENT IS IT WOULD CONTINUE THE PEDESTRIAN FACADE ACTIVATION ALONG THE FULL FRONTAGE ALONG WASHINGTON. SO THE GROUND FLOOR USES AND THE EXPECTATIONS FOR GLAZING, ET CETERA WOULD CONTINUE. AND THE RESIDENTIAL WOULD TO DO WITH BE ALLOWED HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PEDESTRIAN WALKING ZONE, RIGHT? YEAH. THE, THE OVERLAY, UM, DOESN'T, UH, PROPOSE OR REQUIRE ANY CHANGES TO THE RIGHT OF THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. SO HOW DO YOU DO THAT ONE PARCEL AT A TIME? DO WHAT? ONE TREE AT A TIME? HMM. HOW DO YOU DO THAT WITH ONE PARCEL AT A TIME IS A STREET TREE. IT IS A, IT'S A BLOCK THAT NEEDS A STREET TREE TREATMENT. IF YOU SOLVE IT ONE PARCEL AT A TIME, I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU END UP WITH ANYTHING. THE, THE, THE PLAN, THE OVERLAY ISN'T PROPOSING LANDSCAPING OR SIDEWALK CHANGES IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. IT IT IS ALLOWING OR EVEN ENCOURAGING CHANGES ON PUBLIC, SORRY, PRIVATE LAND AND THAT'S IN THE YEAH, NO, I'M, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE COURT, THE PUBLIC CORRIDOR. THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE PLACE MAKING THE IMAGE. I I I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE HOW THAT, THAT THOSE, [07:15:01] THE CHANGE WOULD HAVE TO BE ACCOMPLISHED THROUGH A MODIFICATION OF THE STREET CROSS SECTION. AND THAT WOULD BE REACHING INTO THE STREET DESIGN MANUAL THAT IS ADMINISTERED BY PUBLIC WORKS. ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE STAY WITH THE 80% LOCK COVERAGE AS PERMITTED BY RIGHT. AND DIDN'T TAKE IT UP TO A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT WE'RE ALLOWING UP TO A HUNDRED PERCENT WITH ACUP. SO THAT ADDITIONAL 20% IS TO BE ABLE TO GIVE US SOME DISCRETION TO REQUIRE, UH, A WIDER SIDEWALK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A PERFECT SOLUTION. A PERFECT SOLUTION WOULD BE TO MODIFY THE STREET CROSS SECTION TO ACHIEVE THE PREFERRED STREET DESIGN FROM, UH, UH, THROUGHOUT THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. BUT IT DOES GIVE US SOME ABILITY TO HAVE SOME DISCRETION TO CREATE MORE, UH, SIDEWALK THROUGH THE REVIEW PROCESS. AND, AND WHERE WOULD THAT HAPPEN, ANDREW? WOULD THAT HAPPEN? YOU SAY PUBLIC WORK THAT WOULD NOT GO THROUGH A WOULD NOT BE PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN OF EVOLUTION? I, I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT SURE, TO ME, THE, THE STREET SCAPE, THE PLACEMAKING IS 80% STREET SCAPE. UM, AND WE'RE NOT EVEN DEALING WITH THAT HERE. WELL, RIGHT, BUT I, I, I MEAN WE RUN INTO THIS OFTEN AND, AND THE CHALLENGE IS THAT THE, THE ZONING CODE DOES NOT CONTROL THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY BECAUSE THE CITY CONTROLS THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. SO WE HAVE TO HAVE EITHER A, WE HAVE TO HAVE A RELATED ACTION OR ACTIVITY TO, TO MODIFY STREET DESIGN TO ACHIEVE A DIFFERENT STANDARD. AND, AND I'M JUST GONNA NOTE THAT'S, THAT'S NOT BEFORE US TONIGHT, BUT, BUT STAFF ARE TELLING ME THAT IN THE GENERAL PLAN CONVERSATIONS, THERE'S DISCUSSION OF UPDATING THE STREET SCAPE STANDARDS, WHICH, WHICH IS GONNA, I THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT PLACE FOR THAT DISCUSSION. AND IT WILL BE INVOLVED AND BENEFIT FROM RECOMMENDATIONS FROM, FROM ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS ABOUT THINGS LIKE ACCESSIBILITY STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE TO SATISFY AND M-U-T-C-D STANDARDS, UH, FOR, FOR, FOR TRAFFIC AND CIRCULATION, SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS, ET CETERA. UM, SO I THINK WE STILL NEED TO CAPTURE THE PROPOSED MODIFICATION FOR TO SUBAR C. YES, I WAS GONNA SAY, I WAS LOOKING AT THE MAP NOW. DO YOU WANT TO CLARIFY THE, IS IT BETWEEN LIBERTY AND KELLER? THAT CHUNK IN THE MIDDLE? I GOT IT. YEAH. SO IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PARCEL INVENTORY REPORT, I WOULD SAY THAT WE ARE STRIKING ALL OF BLOCK ONE IN FIGURE 15. SO THAT WOULD KEEP ONE 60 KELLER ONE 40 KELLER 1 32 KELLER. SO THAT GETS YOU KELLER STREET COWORK AND KAPU AND THE, UM, PARKING GARAGE. , SORRY. YEAH. UM, AND THEN IN FIGURE 16, STRIKE 1 45 KELLER, WHICH IS THE PHOENIX OH ONE, WELL, OH YES, SORRY. IT'S GOT 2 0 5. I WAS TRYING TO MAKE IT SIMPLE. SO WE COULD SAY BASICALLY KELLER STAYS AND WESTERN STAYS, BUT LIBERTY STREET AND THE WASHINGTON STREET MECHANIC SHOP WOULD STILL BE IN PLAY. MAYBE I'VE NOT MADE THIS ANY EASIER, BUT YES. SORRY. , THE PHOENIX 1 45 KELLER 1 35, KELLER 1 25 KELLER. AND THEN I'M, I'M OPEN TO, WE WOULD NEED, I THINK IT ALSO KEEPS IT SIMPLE TO SAY TWO 10 WESTERN, WHICH IS THE GROCERY STORE AND THEN TWO 14 WESTERN, WHICH IS, UM, STOCKHOLM AND SUCH. CAN, CAN, YEAH. CAN WE SAY ANYTHING FROM LIBERTY STREET TO KELLER STREET AND THEN OVER TO THE EDGE AND BASICALLY JUST KEEP THE SECTION BETWEEN LIBERTY AND KEOKUK. THAT SEEMED TO BE THE MOST RIGHT. AREA. RIPE FOR I WAS SAYING WHAT GETS PULLED OUT VERSUS WHAT STAYS, BUT YES, . OKAY. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT YOU JUST SAID. SORRY. LET'S JUST DO A BLOCK INSTEAD OF BI PARCEL. YEAH, YEAH. BY BLOCK INSTEAD OF BI PARCEL. YEAH, DO SO I, I THINK WE NEED TO DESCRIBE THIS CLEARLY IN TERMS OF A SUBTRACTION. OKAY. SINCE WHAT'S IN THE RECORD RIGHT NOW IS THE FULL SUBAR C AND IT COULD BE BY ADDRESS, BY SERIES OF ADDRESSES, IF THAT'S THE CLEAREST WAY. AND IT PROBABLY IS BECAUSE ADDRESSES GIVE US A PARCEL. YEAH, RIGHT. OKAY. I CAN RATTLE OFF THOSE ADDRESSES THAT WE ARE SUBTRACTING FROM SUBAR C WHEN YOU ARE READY. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. OH SHOOT, I LOST MY THING. ONE 60 KELLER STREET ONE 40. WE CAN, OKAY, HERE WE GO. BUT WE CAN WRITE DOWN THE ADDRESSES. BUT I TRIED TO CAPTURE WHAT I HEARD IN THIS IMAGE THAT I JUST PUT UP ON THE SCREEN BECAUSE YOU INITIALLY YOU SAID BOTH SIDES OF KELLER. YEAH. FROM WASHINGTON TO [07:20:01] WESTERN OMIT. YEAH. SO THIS, YOU GOT IT CLOWN LOOKING CLOUD, WHAT'S THE RED CLOUD? WELL THAT'S A DIFFERENT, THAT'S THE AMENDMENT FROM COMMISSIONER POWER. YES. I THINK YOUR YELLOW CLOUD, THE YELLOW IS INTENT IS, UH, CAPTURING. BUT IF IT WOULD HELP YOU TO RATTLE OFF THESE ADDRESSES, I CAN, IT'S ALL PARCELS THAT ABUT COLOR IN A SUBAR C IS THAT INCLUSIVE OF THE MARKET THOUGH? I THINK THE MARKET IS, IT'S TECHNICALLY A WESTERN ADDRESS, BUT IT ABUTS. OKAY. MM-HMM. . SO I GUESS THIS OVERLAY WOULD HAVE A NOTCH GOING TOWARDS LIBERTY. MM-HMM. WHEN IT'S MODIFIED. THAT'S RIGHT. AND I HAVE TWO 15 WASHINGTON THAT STAYS IN. IF WE HAD OLD POSTER BOARDS, WE COULD JUST DRAW. I KNOW, RIGHT? WE NEED A LASER POINTER OR SOMETHING. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE CLOSE, BUT I DO THINK WE WANNA LIST OFF THE ADDRESSES. OKAY. ONE 60 KELLER ONE 40 KELLER 1 32 KELLER ONE 14 TO 1 26 KELLER SLASH ONE 20 WESTERN. THESE ARE ALL TO EMIT TO EMIT 2 0 5 TO 2 0 7 WASHINGTON STREET SLASH 1 45 KELLER STREET. EVEN THOUGH SHE SAYS IT. THE ART STUDIO AT 1 45 KELLER STREET. WHAT WAS, UH, GO BACK TO 2 0 7. 2 0 5 TO 2 0 7 WASHINGTON STREET. CORRECT. AND THEN 1 45 KELLER STREET, 1 35 KELLER STREET, 1 25 KELLER STREET, TWO 10 WESTERN AVENUE AND TWO 14 WESTERN AVENUE. MM-HMM. . WELL THAT'S NOT OKAY, BUT 25 CHAIRMAN HOOPER 1 25 KELLER. IT'S EMITTED AND THEREFORE YES. STAYS AS IS GOOD. SO DO WE HAVE IT? WELL, I GOT A QUESTION. WAIT. UH, VICE MAYOR PAMA MARKET, I BELIEVE, UM, GOES TO LIBERTY STREET. SO YOU'D ALMOST HAVE TO, I I THINK FOR EASE, WOULDN'T IT MAKE SENSE JUST TO TAKE THAT WHOLE CORRIDOR AND JUST LEAVE IT WITH THE AREA THAT I THINK HAS THE MOST UNDERUTILIZED PARCELS, WHICH IS THE AREA BETWEEN THE, THE SHORTER KEOKUK AND LIBERTY. AND JUST TAKE THE OTHER TWO OFF BECAUSE A MAJORITY OF THOSE, I MEAN, UNLESS YOU WANT TO INCLUDE THE AUTO LOT OR SOMETHING, BUT I THINK A MAJORITY OF THOSE ARE, ARE IN USE AND PRODUCTIVE. UM, AND JUST SO WE DON'T GET INTO ADDRESS, I THINK WE'RE SAYING THE SAME THING. 'CAUSE IT'S, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE PARCEL ID IS WHAT THE STAFF IS WANTING. AND IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE PARCEL INVENTORY REPORT, WHICH IS ATTACHMENT L, PAGE 19, THAT'S THE ONE WE'RE SPLITTING. AND ACCORDING TO THIS PARCEL REPORT, 0 0 6 3 6 2 0 2 3, WHICH IS TWO 10 WESTERN AVE IS THE ONE STORY GROCERY STORE WITH PARKING PARCEL SIZE 40,000. SO THAT, THAT COVERS US ON PETALUMA MARKET. AND THEN TWO 14 WESTERN, WHICH IS ZERO 10 IS THAT ONE STORY RESTAURANT. AND THEN LIBERTY STREET IS YEAH, ONE STORY OFFICE PARKING LOT, ONE STORY COMMERCIAL SPACE WITH PARKING, ONE STORY MECHANIC SHOP IS WHAT WE'RE SAYING STAYS COMMISSIONER MOSES HAS IT. AND SO TWO 15 WASHINGTON'S THE ONLY ONE THAT REMAINS IN WHAT, OR IS I JUST MISUNDERSTANDING THAT? ARE YOU SAYING ALL THOSE ONE STORY YOU WANNA REMAIN IN ALONG LIBERTY? NO, SHE WAS, SHE WAS LISTING WHAT HAS TO BE REMOVED. OH YEAH. GOT IT. AS THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS REQUESTED. SORRY. OKAY. BEAUTIFUL. WE GOT IT ALL A LITTLE TWISTED. YEAH. AND WE CAN SLICE IT DIFFERENT WAYS. WE JUST WANT AN UNAMBIGUOUS RECORD OF WHAT'S, HOW, HOW WE'RE AMENDING SUBAR C WHAT'S BEING REMOVED. AND I THINK WE JUST GOT IT. SO THANK YOU. CORRECT. THANKS SO MUCH. THANK YOU ALL. AND SO I THINK THAT MEANS WE'RE READY TO GO THROUGH, UNLESS THERE'S MORE DISCUSSION, WE'RE READY TO GO THROUGH THIS. LET'S GO, LET'S GO THROUGH IT. DROP WHOLE LIST. LET'S GO THROUGH IT. ALL RIGHT. UM, SORRY, WE'RE, ARE WE ON TO, UM, ARE, ARE WE, I THINK WE NEED TO CLEAN UP DECISION 0.5. SO THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS, UM, I HAVE THAT AVAILABLE DISPLAY. WELL THEN LET'S, UH, GO AHEAD AND DISPLAY IT THEN PLEASE. SO THIS IS RESPONDING TO COMMISSIONER BOWER'S, UH, REQUEST TO CONSIDER SORT OF, UH, [07:25:01] A MORE DETAILED APPROACH TO THOSE COMMUNITY BENEFITS TO DRIVE OR TO FORCE CERTAIN BENEFITS THAT SEEM TO BE PRIORITIZED OVER OTHERS. SO WHAT, NO, THAT'S NOT, IT'S, UH, YEAH, THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE. WE'VE BEEN HAVING TROUBLE WITH THIS ONE ALL EVENING. UM, SO, UH, DECISION POINT NUMBER SIX WAS, UM, SOMETHING ABOUT ELIMINATING BIKE PARKING AS A COMMUNITY BENEFIT. BUT I THINK WE WANTED TO ADD IT BACK IN, OR I WAS UNSURE THERE WAS, THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT, SO I NEED CLARIFICATION ON WHAT THAT MIGHT BE. WELL, IT WAS JUST, YEAH, I JUST DIDN'T, THAT'S AN EASY WAY OUT OF THIS, SO I WANTED TO KIND OF FORCE THEM TO PICK SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE SUBSTANTIAL. SO I THOUGHT REMOVING THAT, 'CAUSE THAT'S JUST VERY, VERY EASY TO DO. YEAH, . OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU. UM, OKAY. AND THEN WHILE WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR, UH, THE RED LINE TO BE BROUGHT UP, UM, LET'S GO ON TO NUMBER SEVEN AND, UH, CITY ATTORNEY DANLEY, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO EXPLAIN, UM, MOD AMENDMENT OF THE PROPOSED SUNSET CLAUSE. SURE. SO THANKS FOR SH THANKS FOR SHARING THAT. SO BEAR IN MIND THAT THE, THAT, UM, THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION BY THE COUNCIL AND, AND IT'S PLENARY JURIS JURISDICTION. UM, AND, BUT ALSO THAT THE, THE, THIS BODY GETS TO RECOMMEND WHAT IT WANTS TO RECOMMEND. UM, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE THIS CLEANUP. UM, AND THE REASON IS THERE ARE, THERE'S ANY, ANY HOST OF WAYS THE COUNCIL OF CHOSE COULD, UH, BEFORE THE SUNSET AMEND THIS ORDINANCE. SO RESCISSION IS ONLY ONE OF THEM. UM, I RECOMMEND AGAINST SAYING MAJORITY VOTE OF THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THE, UM, HIGHLY TECHNICAL REASON THAT, UM, THE COUNCIL CAN TAKE ACTION BY A MAJORITY VOTE OF A QUORUM. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ALL THE SEATS OF THE COUNCIL. AND, AND WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE THE AMBIGUITY THAT THERE'S SOME KIND OF SPECIAL VOTING REQUIREMENT HERE. AND IT FRANKLY WOULD SEEM, UM, INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE SUBORDINATE BODY TO TO, TO SUGGEST THAT TO THE COUNCIL. YEAH. UM, AND IT'S, AND I KNOW IT'S NOT COMING FROM THE COMMISSION, THIS IS DRAFTING AND I THINK SOME VERSION CONTROL ISSUES ON THE STAFF SIDE BECAUSE OF ALL THE WORK THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR THIS. UM, AND SO, AND THE, AND THE LAST SUGGESTED CHANGE FOR ME IS, UM, IF WE WANTED TO THE EXPIRATION OF, OF THIS ORDINANCE AND THE SIX, THE REPLACEMENT BY THE, BY THE NEW IMPLEMENTING ZONING ORDINANCE TO BE SEAMLESS, WE'D HAVE TO SAY EFFECTIVE DATE, NOT ADOPTION DATE BECAUSE OF THE 30 DAY REFERENDUM PERIOD. OTHERWISE THERE'D BE A GAP. SO ANYWAY, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE THE SUGGESTIONS, BUT I, I MEAN THOSE, I I'M OFFERING THEM FOR THE REASONS STATED, BUT I MEAN THAT RESPECTFULLY RECOGNIZING THAT, THAT YOU MAY HAVE DIFFERENT, UM, A DIFFERENT PREFERENCE. THANKS. IF YOU JUST SAID THAT, UH, IT SHALL BE INCORPORATED IN, INTO THE GENERAL PLAN, ISN'T THAT ENOUGH TO INCORPORATE IT AND, AND MADE PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN AND WHATEVER PROCESS THAT IS THAT WILL DEAL WITH THAT? I DON'T THINK IT'S ENOUGH. I DON'T THINK IT'S CLEAR ENOUGH AND IT'S NOT WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND BECAUSE OF SUCH AN EXTENSIVE PROCESS THAT IS, THAT'LL COME BACK BEFORE THIS BODY FIRST ANYWAY. AND THEN AGAIN, LIKE, LIKE THIS, UM, THIS PROPOSED ENACTMENT, IT'S GONNA BE THE ULTIMATE DECISION OF THE CITY COUNCIL. SO FOR ALL THOSE REASONS, THAT'S, THAT WOULD NOT BE MY RECOMMENDATION. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, WE'RE WE'RE KEEPING IN THE, UNLESS OTHERWISE AMENDED BECAUSE JUST THEY ALWAYS HAVE THAT ABILITY EXACTLY. TO STATE THEY DON'T, IS NOT MAKING SENSE. GOT IT. WELL, IT MAKES SENSE, BUT IT SEEMS, DOESN'T SEEM VERY DEFERENTIAL TO THE, TO THE CITY'S LEGISLATIVE BODY FROM A SUBORDINATE BODY BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE THAT POWER. THEY CAN EXERCISE IT WHETHER YOU NOTE THAT OR NOT. SO, SO WE CAN'T HAVE A REBELLION YOU CAN, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT WOULDN'T BE WHERE MY RECOMMENDATION. THANKS. YEAH. SO COMMISSIONER KUSON, THAT WAS, THAT WAS YOUR, UH, REQUEST OR RECOMMENDATION ARE, ARE YOU SUPPORTIVE OF IT AS, AS WITH THE AMENDMENT AS DESCRIBED WITH THE REALITIES THAT PRESENTED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY? YES. OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU. AND THEN IF WE COULD GO TO, UH, SUBSECTION G. YES. [07:30:02] SO WHAT I UNDERSTOOD FROM COMMISSIONER BAUER IS THAT YOU WANTED TWO OF ONE, TWO, AND THREE. SO THOSE ARE THE MORE POWERFUL ONES. SO PICK TWO AND THEN JUST ONE OF THE LAST LIST. SO I, I WROTE SOMETHING AFTER YOU SAID THAT SAYING, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO PICK TWO OF ONE, TWO OR THREE AND THEN ONE OF FOUR, FIVE OR SIX, RIGHT? YES. HOPEFULLY THAT'S STRAIGHTFORWARD. AND THAT I'D LIKE TO, IF YOU DON'T MIND, TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND YOUR OTHER AMENDMENT OF THE PEDESTRIAN. SORRY. LEMME SEE IF I GET THIS. NOTHING'S WORKING. HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TIME . UM, WHAT I UNDERSTOOD AND I, I DON'T HAVE THE GRAPHIC SOFTWARE TO DO THIS IN REAL TIME TO MAKE IT LOOK BETTER, BUT THE PEDESTRIAN, GOD I CAN'T GET ANYTHING TO WORK. OH, AH, NEVERMIND THE , THE RED ZONES THAT WERE ORIGINALLY SHOWN ON THIS DRAWING THAT WERE JUST AT THE CORNERS. YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT EXTEND ALONG THE ENTIRETY OF THE FRONTAGE ON WASHINGTON. YES. BUT NO OTHER CHANGE TO THAT OVERLAY OTHERWISE AS IT PERTAINS TO RESIDENTIAL. RIGHT. GOOD. AND THEN FOR, UM, SUBBURY A I UNDERSTOOD IT TO BE THE LETTERED STREETS WOULD HAVE THOSE CONNECTIONS, RIGHT? YEP. BUT ALONG FOURTH STREET IT'S AS DRAWN. YES. 'CAUSE IT'S MORE RESIDENTIAL IN THAT AREA. SO I THOUGHT IT MORE PRETTY APPROPRIATE FOR RESIDENTIAL TO BE FACING RESIDENTIAL. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. , I'LL STOP SHARING. GREAT, THANK YOU. UH, GREG. SO THEN, UM, IF WE CAN GO BACK TO THE DECISION POINTS AND BRING THAT UP PLEASE. GREAT. THANKS. SO, SO GOING DOWN THE LIST, WE'LL NEED SOME ADVISEMENT ON, ON DECISION 0.1. UH, DO WE WANT TO, UH, WOULD, WOULD A MODIFICATION BE TO RECOMMEND SUBAR A ONLY SUB AREAS A AND B OR SUB AREAS A, B, AND C AS MODIFIED? UM, THEN WE ARE, WE'RE INCORPORATING MODIFY FIGURE 5.2 AS JUST DESCRIBED, 5.4 AS JUST DESCRIBED. UM, MODIFY SUBAR C AS DESCRIBED. MM-HMM, , UM, SECTION G WOULD BE AMENDED PER THE RED LINE TEXT WE JUST REVIEWED. UH, WE WOULD REMOVE THE BIKE PARKING AS A COMMUNITY BENEFIT. WE WOULD AMEND THE SUNSET CLAUSE AND THEN, UH, DECISION 0.8 TO ADD COMMITTEE MEMBER PITT AND GARROS REQUESTED AMENDMENTS, WHICH WAS TO, UM, A, UH, AMEND F THREE SO THAT IT TRACKS WITH IZO CHAPTER 15.07, 0.8 0.2, AND THEN CHANGE F FOUR SO THAT IT TRACKS WITH IZO CHAPTER 12.02, FIVE POINT B, UH, REMOVING G 0.4 MM-HMM. . THEN, UM, REMAINING ITEMS OF INTEREST INCLUDED, UH, COMMISSIONER MCC LANE'S DESIRE TO SEE THE, UM, OVERLAY FULLY FLESHED OUT OR FULLY INCORPORATED INTO THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE PROCESS. CONSIDER REQUIRING A GROCERY AT THE PETALUMA MARKET LOCATION AND RECOMMEND TO THE GEN GENERAL PLAN UPDATE TEAM, UM, INCORPORATION OF A POLICY TO DEVELOP A SPECIFIC PLAN FOR DOWNTOWN AND APPROACHES ITEMS NINE THROUGH 11 WOULD BE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE COULD INCLUDE IN THE, WE COULD MAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNSEL. WE WOULDN'T, WE WOULDN'T CODIFY THEM IN THE ORDINANCE, BUT WE COULD HAVE THEM AS RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE, UM, THE, UM, SORRY TO THE ORDINANCE THAT WOULD ADOPT THE, THE OVERLAY. WELL, I, OR STATED MORE SIMPLY, I THINK WE WOULD JUST BRING THOSE FORWARD TO THE COUNCIL OUTSIDE OF THE, AS AS THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE BODY IF THEY IN FACT ARE SUPPORTED BY A MAJORITY OUTSIDE OF THE ORDINANCE. SO IF, IF, IF WE CAN STRAW POLL THE WHOLE PACKAGE OR WE CAN GO ITEM BY ITEM OR SOMETHING IN BETWEEN, CAN, CAN I MAKE A QUICK NOTE ON NINE TO 11 JUST WHILE WE'RE HERE? SURE. UM, I THINK GIVEN THE CHANGES WE'VE MADE TO SUB AREAS EI THINK WE CAN STRIKE 10. AND GIVEN, UM, THE FEEDBACK WE'VE GOTTEN ON SORT OF HOW THIS OVERLAY COULD INFLUENCE THE, THE GENERAL PLAN, I THINK NINE AND 11 COULD BE COMBINED TO SAY, UM, RECOMMEND THAT THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE POLICY, UH, FULLY FLESH OUT THE OVERLAY AND OR DEVELOP A SPECIFIC PLAN FOR DOWNTOWN AND APPROACHES [07:35:01] AND THAT THAT WOULD GO YEAH. TO COUNCIL FOR YEAH. CONSIDERATION, LESS ITEMS FOR THEM TO REVIEW. YEAH. HOW'S THAT SOUND? STRIKE 10, COMBINE NINE AND 11. YEAH. DO YOU NEED TO BE SPECIFIC ON WHAT IS DOWNTOWN, WHAT THE, WHAT THE BOUNDARIES ARE FOR DOWNTOWN WE, THAT'LL BE SOMETHING THAT IS ALSO CONSIDERED IN THE GENERAL PLAN DISCUSSION. YEP. RIGHT. I THINK, I THINK THE GENERAL PLAN DISCUSSION WOULD SORT OF DEFINE THAT AND THEN EVEN THE SPECIFIC PLANNING PROCESS MAY FURTHER DEFINE THAT BECAUSE I THINK THERE IS INTEREST ALSO IN NOT JUST LOOKING AT THE DOWNTOWN AREA, BUT THE APPROACHES AND HOW THOSE MIGHT FIGURE INTO THE OVERALL SUCCESS OF DOWNTOWN. AND I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE BROAD SO THAT IT GIVES DISCRETION TO THAT BODY TO, TO KIND OF DICTATE THAT. GREAT. MM-HMM. . SO I THINK, I THINK WITH THIS, I, I THINK WE FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S DESIRED SO WE CAN SHAPE THAT, UM, THROUGH THE, THE STAFF REPORT TO COUNCIL AND, AND THROUGH RECOMMENDATIONS CONTAINED THEREIN. UM, GREAT. THANK YOU. SO THEN I THINK WITH THAT, UH, IF WE COULD JUST GET SOME CLARITY ON DECISION 0.1 MM-HMM. , UM, THEN I THINK WE COULD STRAW POLL ALL OF THE DECISION POINTS AND MOVE FORWARD. YEP. OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. SO CHAIR, I'LL, I'LL LEAVE THAT TO YOU TO, UH, . OKAY. UH, DECISION ON, UH, OR CLARITY ON DECISION 0.1. OKAY. UH, SO WELL FOR, I GUESS I'M JUST LITERALLY GONNA CALL ON EVERYBODY TO TELL ME YAY OR NAY FOR THIS. UM, YOU'RE JUST GOING FOR DECISION 0.1. PLEASE GIVE ME OF THE THREE OPTIONS, PLEASE GIVE ME THE ONE YOU WOULD PREFER. JESSICA. THREE. THREE. I'M ALSO THREE. ONE. ONE, ONE. THREE. THREE. THREES HAVE IT. . THREE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SO, SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND, UM, IT WOULD BE INCLUSION OF, LET ME JUST MODIFY THIS QUICKLY. SUB AREA C AS MODIFIED, THIS IS HOW POLICY IS MADE. AND THEN I THINK WE'RE READY FOR A STRAW POLL ON DECISION POINTS ONE THROUGH EIGHT. ALL RIGHT. WELL, AND ONE, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE IT DID YOU MEAN TO TAKE OUT A AND B, ANDREW? WHAT'S THAT? DID YOU MEAN TO TAKE OUT A AND B? YEAH, WE NEED TO SAY A AND B STILL ON NUMBER ONE IT SAYS INCLUSION OF SUBAR C, BUT WE NEED A AND B IN FRONT. OH, SORRY. YES. OKAY. WE WENT WAY THE OTHER WAY. A, B, AND C. OKAY. WELL TRUST ME, THAT WAS NOT ME TRYING ORIGINAL SWAY YOUR DECISION MAKING. I FEEL BAD 'CAUSE THIS IS RIGHT HERE. UH OH. YEAH, BY THE WAY. YEAH. GREAT. SO THEN, THEN I THINK WE'RE READY FOR A STRAW POLL ON ONE THROUGH EIGHT. YES. UM, UNLESS THEY NEED TO BE SPLIT OUT IN SOME WAY. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO RAILROAD ANYTHING. I'M FINE WITH ONE THROUGH EIGHT. SOMEBODY ELSE LOOKING AT TEAMS. YEAH, ME TOO. I'M ALSO FINE WITH ONE THROUGH EIGHT. WE SUPPORT ONE, ALL OF THEM GREAT. YES, YES. EXCELLENT. GREAT. OKAY. CHAIR THEN, THEN, UH, WE CAN USE THESE, UH, DECISION POINTS TO INFORM THE MOTION. UH, A MOTION. DO WE, DO WE DO A COMBINED MOTION FOR BOTH RESOLUTIONS REFERENCING THE DECISION POINTS? WELL, THE DECISION POINTS WOULD ONLY MODIFY THE ZONING, THE ZONING AMENDMENTS RESOLUTION. CORRECT? THAT'S TRUE. OKAY. EVERYBODY'S GIVEN UP. MAY I, UH, I WANNA HEAR WHAT STAFF HAS TO SAY. YEAH, I I HAVE A QUESTION. STAFF ON THIS SIDE OF THE ROOM IS CURIOUS AND IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, KNOWS WHAT WE WOULD BE ADDING FROM 1570 A TO, TO THE ORDINANCE. SORRY, SAY THAT AGAIN. HE'S ASKING IF WE KNOW WHAT EIGHT IS REFERENCING, WHICH WAS, UM, FROM THE HISTORICAL COMMITTEE MEMBER. AND I KNOW IT WAS DISCUSSED A COUPLE OF HOURS AGO, BUT, UH, I DON'T HAVE, WE WERE TAKING NOTES. I DON'T HAVE COMPLETE RECOLLECTION, BUT THIS IS ALSO WHY WE RECORDED IT. YEAH. CAN WE SAY LIKE PARENTHESES CHECK THE, I DON'T MEAN TO THROW A YEAH. WHATEVER IN THE GEARS. I REMEMBER WE, [07:40:01] WE ALL SEEMED PRETTY CONFIDENT AT THE TIME THAT IT WAS, IT ALL LINED UP AND I SAW THE EDITS THAT WERE BEING MADE AT THAT POINT. TRUE, TRUE. WELL, THE, THE, THE CONTEXT FOR THE QUESTION IS THAT THE OVERLAY HAS THREE PARCELS THAT ARE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THEN A HANDFUL NOW THAT AREN'T. AND SO I'M CURIOUS, I JUST WANNA BE SURE WE'RE PULLING TEXTS FROM 15, WHICH IS CHAPTER 15, WHICH IS THE HISTORIC SECTION AND NOT SORT OF MESSING UP SOMETHING THAT APPLIES TO A SPAR SITE. IS STAFF AT THIS ABSURD HOUR ABLE TO GIVE US A CLIFF NOTES ON THE IMPLICATIONS OF AID, WHICH WAS PROPOSED NOT BY THIS BODY. SO THE, THE 15.07, 0.82. UH, WITH REGARD TO HISTORIC DISTRICTS, THE PO PROPOSED WORK SHALL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE EXTERIOR ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTERISTICS OR OTHER FEATURES OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS THE SUBJECT OF THE APPLICATION, NOR ADVERSELY AFFECT ITS RELATIONSHIP IN TERMS OF HARMONY AND APPROPRIATENESS WITH ITS SURROUNDINGS, INCLUDING NEIGHBORHOODS, NEIGHBORING STRUCTURES NOR ADVERSELY AFFECT THE CHARACTER OR THE HISTORICAL, ARCHITECTURAL OR AESTHETIC INTEREST OR VALUE OF THE DISTRICT. IN ADDITION, APPLICATIONS SHALL BE CONSISTENT WITH STANDARDS INCLUDED IN THE DESIGNATING ORDINANCE. SO I THINK IT WAS JUST, UH, AT PROVIDING SOME ADDITIONAL DETAIL AND DIRECTION AND CLARIFICATION AND SUBSTITUTING THAT FOR, UH, F THREE IN THE ORDINANCE, RIGHT? CORRECT. YES. YES. THANK YOU FOR THAT ELABORATION. OKAY. UM, OKAY. WITH THIS CAN WE GET BACK TO, SO TO THE ACTIONS YOU'RE TAKING, RIGHT? YES. WHICH ARE, UM, WE NEED TO DO THE ZONING AMENDMENT MOTION AND THEN THE GENERAL PLAN MOTION, CORRECT? WELL, YOU NEED TO DO, UM, YOU ALREADY DID THE NEXT, THE ISM AND D, RIGHT? MM-HMM, . SORRY, IT'S LATE FOR ME TOO. UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD BECAUSE THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN FIRST AND THEN THE RESOLUTION RECOMMENDING THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT AND THEN THE ZONING AMENDMENT, UM, WHICH CAN BE TAKEN TOGETHER IF THE VOTES ARE GONNA BE THE SAME, IF THEY'RE GONNA DIFFER, WE SHOULD TAKE THEM SEPARATELY. I SUS YEAH, THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE, I SUSPECT THEY WILL BE THE SAME. OKAY. SO I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE BOTH MOTIONS TOGETHER WITH THE AMENDMENTS AS STIPULATED IN THE DECISION POINTS. UH, I KNOW THE CHAIR'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BRING UP, BRING FORTH THE MOTION. WILL SOMEONE PROPOSE THE MOTION, PLEASE? I WILL PROPOSE THE MOTION. THANK YOU. I'LL SECOND. EXCELLENT. MAY WE HAVE A ROLL CALL? VOTE. COMMISSIONER BAUER? YES. COMMISSIONER MOSES? YES. COMMISSIONER MCCURLEY? YES. COMMISSIONER KUSON? YES. COMMISSIONER WIMAN? YES. THE VICE MAYOR CATER THOMPSON? YES. CHAIR HOOPER? YES. THE VOTE HAS PASSED. EXCELLENT. AND WITH THAT, I KNOW THERE'S MORE ON THE AGENDA DONE. I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT WE SAVE THE REST OF THAT FOR THE NEXT MEETING. WE'RE DONE. WE'RE DONE. AND WE, WE CALL IT QUITS. UM, I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO DO A VOTE. I'M CALLING THIS MEETING ADJOURNED. THANK YOU EVERYONE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.