* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] GOOD [CLOSED SESSION - 5:00 P.M.] EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE PETALUMA CITY COUNCIL AND PETALUMA COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SUCCESSOR AGENCY FOR MONDAY, NOVEMBER 20. MAY WE HAVE A ROLL CALL FOR THE EVENING BARNACLE. HERE. CATER THOMPSON HERE. HEALY HERE. NOW. HERE. HERE. SHRIVES HERE AND MCDONALD HERE. ALL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT. WONDERFUL. UH, I'D LIKE TO HAVE OUR CITY ATTORNEY, UM, INTRODUCED TONIGHT'S CLOSED SESSION TOPICS. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I WILL BE HAPPY TO DO THAT. UH, THE COUNSEL WILL CONFER, UM, IN TWO CLOSED SESSIONS TONIGHT. ONE IS CONCERNING LIABILITY CLAIMS AND CONFERENCE WITH LEGAL COUNSEL REGARDING ANTICIPATED LITIGATION. UM, THAT'S UNDER GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 4 9 5 6 0.95. UM, THE CLAIMANT'S NBC CONSTRUCTION AND ENGINEERING INCORPORATED, THE AGENCY CLAIMED AGAINST IS THE CITY OF PETALUMA. THERE'S SIGNIFICANT EXPOSURE TO LITIGATION PURSUANT TO PARAGRAPH TWO OF SUBDIVISION D OF GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 4 9 5 6 0.9, UM, REGARDING ONE POTENTIAL CASE. THE FACTS AND CIRCUMSTANCES INCLUDING TRANSACTIONAL OCCURRENCES THAT MIGHT RESULT IN LITIGATION AND THAT ARE KNOWN TO A POTENTIAL PLAINTIFF ARISES FROM CLAIMS SUBMITTED TO THE CITY BY NBC CONSTRUCTION AND ENGINEERING REGARDING THE ELLIS CREEK WATER RECYCLING FACILITY, OUTFALL RELOCATION PROJECT. SECOND CLOSED SESSION ITEM TONIGHT IS A CONFERENCE WITH REAL PROPERTY NEGOTIATORS UNDER GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 4 9 5 6 0.8. THE PROPERTY IS THE CITY OWNED FAIRGROUNDS PROPERTY 1 7 5 FAIRGROUNDS DRIVE AND 8 6 6 EAST WASHINGTON. THE AGENCY NEGOTIATOR IS PEGGY FLYNN, CITY MANAGER. THE NEGOTIATING PARTY IS THE FOURTH DISTRICT AGRICULTURAL ASSOCIATION. UNDER NEGOTIATION, OUR PRICE IN TERMS OF PAYMENT AND OTHER TERMS OF USE OF PORTIONS OF THE CITY OWNED FAIRGROUNDS PROPERTY FOR PRESENTATION OF THE SONOMA MARIN FAIR. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. AND THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO INVITE COUNCIL MEMBER NOW TO COMMENT. I WILL BE RECUSING FROM THE FAIRGROUNDS ITEM ON THE CLOSED SESSION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, LET'S MOVE TO, TO, UM, PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CLOSED SESSION ITEMS. UH, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON THESE ITEMS AS READ. UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON, AND IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK, YOU MAY TURN IN A SPEAKER CARD TO OUR CITY CLERK AT THE, UH, FRONT OF THE ROOM. AND, UH, UH, MR. CITY ATTORNEY, IS THERE ANY COMMENT IN THIS, UH, SECTION FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY JUST IN CASE? NO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND, UH, HAVE WE HAD COMMENTS ONLINE TOWARDS THIS ITEM? WE DO NOT HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THIS ITEM. AND CAN I ASK OUR MODERATOR TO READ OUR ANNOUNCEMENT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? YES. UM, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ATTENDING IN PERSON SHOULD BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE SO. SPEAKERS ARE REMINDED TO BE RESPECTFUL IN THEIR COMMENTS AND THAT THIS MEETING IS BEING TRANSLATED. PLEASE PAUSE BETWEEN SENTENCES FOR TRANSLATION, THREATS OF VIOLENCE, AND SENATOR GROUNDS FOR REMOVAL FROM THIS MEETING. THE COUNTDOWN WILL APPEAR FOR THE CONVENIENCE OF THE SPEAKER AND VIEWERS. THE FIRST SPEAKER WILL BE ACKNOWLEDGED AND INVITED TO SPEAK WHEN THE COUNTDOWN BEGINS. OKAY. WELL, I AM NOT SEEING ANY CARDS COMING TO THE FRONT OF THE ROOM. AND, UM, AT THIS POINT WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT ITEM AND WE WILL NOW ADJOURN TO THE, UH, CLOSED SESSION. WE WILL RETURN, UM, AT SIX 30 OR AT THE END OF CLOSED SESSION, WHICHEVER COMES LATER. THANK YOU. UM, WELCOME BACK OR GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE REGULAR [CALL TO ORDER] MEETING OF THE PETALUMA CITY COUNCIL AND THE PETALUMA COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SUCCESSOR AGENCY FOR MONDAY, NOVEMBER 20TH. IF YOU WISH TO PROVIDE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD IN FROM THE BACK OF THE ROOM AND BRING IT TO OUR CLERK HERE IN THE FRONT OF THE ROOM. NOW I'LL INVITE MONICA APIO AND MARIA GALVEZ TO PROVIDE INFORMATION TO THOSE WHO WISH TO PARTICIPATE IN SPANISH. THANK YOU. AND GOOD EVENING. [00:05:17] THANK YOU. WE ARE READY. AND THANK YOU. UM, NOW MAY WE HAVE OUR ROLL CALL FOR THE EVENING BARNACLE HERE. CATER THOMPSON HERE. HEAL HERE. NOW. HERE. HERE. REBS HERE, AND MCDONALD HERE. ALL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT. THANK YOU. LET'S STAND AND SAY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. LET'S OBSERVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE. THANK YOU. AND THEN, UH, NOW FOR TONIGHT'S AGENDA, I'D LIKE TO LOOK UP AND DOWN THE DI AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY REQUESTS FOR CHANGES OR DELETIONS [PRESENTATIONS] AND SEEING NONE. THEN, UH, WE WILL MOVE ON TO TONIGHT'S AGENDA. AND, UH, IT'S KIND OF A BIG NIGHT. UH, IT'S, UH, UH, A FUN NIGHT. WE GET TO GIVE APPRECIATION, BUT WE ARE SAYING FAREWELL. WE'RE RECOGNIZING OUT OUTGOING POLICE CHIEF KEN SNO, AND WE'RE HAVING THE BADGE PENDING CEREMONY FOR INTERIM POLICE CHIEF BRIAN MILLER. LET'S SEE. UM, I'D LIKE TO INVITE, UH, UH, CHIEF SANO UP TO, UH, THE, UH, PODIUM WHILE WE HAVE, UH, WHILE WE READ OUR PROCLAMATION FOR THE EVENING. IN RECOGNITION OF POLICE CHIEF KEN SNO FOR HIS IMPACTFUL AND DISTINGUISHED CAREER IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, UM, FOR THE CITY OF PETALUMA, AUGUST 15TH, 1994 TO DECEMBER 30TH, 2020. WHEREAS POLICE CHIEF KEN SNO BEGAN HIS 32 YEAR LAW ENFORCEMENT CAREER AT THE AGE OF 18 FOR THE CITY OF SEBASTOPOL. AND WITHIN TWO YEARS, JOINED THE CITY OF PETALUMA POLICE DEPARTMENT TO COORDINATE AND IMPLEMENT THE DEPARTMENT'S FULL-TIME TRAFFIC SAFETY PROGRAM THAT BECAME ONE OF THE HIGHEST CLAIMED LAW ENFORCEMENT PROGRAMS IN THE COUN COUNTRY. AND WHEREAS VERY EARLY IN HIS CAREER, CHIEF SAVANNA WAS RECOGNIZED AS A LAW ENFORCEMENT LEADER IN HIS DEDICATION AND COMMITMENT TO PUBLIC SAFETY AND TO OUR COMMUNITY. EARNED HIM OFFICER OF THE YEAR IN 1998, AND ONE YEAR LATER, HE WAS SELECTED TO JOIN THE MOTORCYCLE TEAM AND THE CRISIS RESPONSE UNIT. AND WHEREAS IN 2002, CHIEF SAVANNAH WAS PROMOTED TO SERGEANT SERVING AS SUPERVISOR OF THE PATROL TEAM HOSTAGE NEGOTIATIONS TEAM AND POLICE CANINE PROGRAM. HIS EXEMPLARY AND CONSCIENTIOUS SERVICE EARNED HIM ASSIGNMENT AS MOTOR SERGEANT OF THE P PT TRAFFIC TEAM, AND WHERE HE AND HIS TEAM DEVELOPED THE MOST INNOVATIVE AND EFFECTIVE DUI REDUCTION STRATEGIES IN THE STATE AND NATIONWIDE, RESULTING IN A 70% REDUCTION OF FATAL AND INJURY ALCOHOL INVOLVED COLLISIONS COUNTYWIDE, AND THAT RECEIVED NUMEROUS COMMENDATIONS AND AWARDS, INCLUDING FROM THE INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF CHIEFS OF POLICE LAW ENFORCEMENT CHALLENGE, THE CALIFORNIA LAW ENFORCEMENT CHALLENGE, THE CALIFORNIA OFFICE OF TRAFFIC SAFETY AND MOTHERS AGAINST DRUNK DRIVING. AND WHEREAS CHIEF AVA'S DEMONSTRATION OF INTEGRITY AND LEADERSHIP, ONCE AGAIN EARNED HIM A PROMOTION IN 2014 TO LIEUTENANT OVERSEEING THE PATROL DIVISION AND MANAGING THE FIELD TRAINING PROGRAM AND THE POLICE CANINE TEAM PROVIDING MANY PAST AND PRESENT PETALUMA POLICE OFFICERS EXCEPTIONAL TRAINING AND MENTORSHIP, AND CONTINUING THAT SELFLESS SERVICE TO THE PETALUMA POLICING DIVISION, WHERE HE LED THE DEPARTMENT'S PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS, PUBLIC INFORMATION AND TECHNOLOGY SCHOOL SUPPORT, VOLUNTEER PROGRAM, AND EFFORTS TO ADDRESS AND IMPROVE MENTAL HEALTH AND HOMELESSNESS IN OUR CITY. AND WHEREAS IN JUNE, 2016, IN ADDITION TO HIS COMMAND OF PETALUMA POLICING, CHIEF SAV WAS ASKED TO SERVE AS PATROL LIEUTENANT IN THE OPERATIONS DIVISION RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR CITY'S EAST SIDE. AND WITHIN A YEAR. AND IN RECOGNITION OF HIS UNWAVERING COMMITMENT TO AN ARDENT ARDENT CHAMPIONING OF THE SAFETY AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE PPD STAFF AND WELLBEING AND PROTECTION OF OUR COMMUNITY, HE WAS APPOINTED PETALUMA POLICE CHIEF IN 2017. AND WHEREAS DURING HIS TENURE AS OUR POLICE CHIEF, HE HAS LED WITH HUMILITY, AUTHENTICITY, AND GRACE, AND HAS TIRELESSLY AND CONSISTENTLY PUT THE INTEREST AND WELLBEING [00:10:01] OF OUR STAFF AND COMMUNITY FRONT AND CENTER. CHIEF SAVANNA WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN THE CREATION OF THE CITY'S SAFE TEAM THAT PROVIDES OUR COMMUNITY WITH 24 7 MOBILE RESOURCE FOR CRISIS INTERVENTION. GUIDED THE DEPARTMENT AND OUR COMMUNITY THROUGH WORLDWIDE PANDEMIC AND HELP CONVENE THE AD HOC COMMUNITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO IDENTIFY OPPORTUNITIES FOR MEANINGFUL CHANGE, TO IMPROVE RACE RELATIONS AND PROMOTE INCLUSION, AND IMPLEMENTED A HYBRID POLICE OVERSIGHT MODEL THAT INCLUDES THE HIRING OF THE CITY'S FIRST INDEPENDENT POLICE AUDITOR TO FOSTER COMMUNITY TRUST AND MAINTAIN PETALUMA'S HIGH STANDARD OF PUBLIC SAFETY. AND WHEREAS CHIEF CNOS VAST AND SIGNIFICANT ACCOMPLISHMENTS HAVE LEFT AN INDELIBLE LEGACY FOR THE PETALUMA POLICE DEPARTMENT TO CONTINUE FOR GENERATIONS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT LEADERS TO COME. AND FOR THE BENEFIT OF GENERATIONS OF PETALUMA WHO CAN TAKE PRIDE IN KNOWING THEIR PETALUMA POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL ALWAYS STRIVE FOR EXCELLENCE IN SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY. NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT I, KEVIN MCDONALD, MAYOR OF PETALUMA, ALONG WITH THE MEMBERS OF THE PETALUMA CITY COUNCIL, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM THE 30TH DAY OF DECEMBER, 2023 AS KEN SNO DAY AND EXTEND OUR CONGRATULATIONS ENDLESS GRATITUDE AND APPRECIATION FOR HIS FAITHFUL AND DISTINGUISHED SERVICE TO THE PETALUMA POLICE DEPARTMENT, OUR CITY, AND THE PETALUMA COMMUNITY. THANK YOU, KEN. THANK YOU MR. MAYOR IN CHIEF. A FEW WORDS. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I I DO HAVE A FEW THINGS THAT I WANNA MAKE SURE I DO NOT FORGET, UH, MAYOR MCDONALD COUNCIL MEMBERS AND OUR SMALL BUT MIGHTY CITY TEAM OF PUBLIC SERVANTS, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, THOSE WE SERVE OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SERVE AS A PEACE OFFICER IN THIS GREAT CITY FOR ALMOST WELL ALMOST 30 MORE THAN 29 YEARS. IT'S BEEN MY HONOR TO WORK FOR ALONGSIDE AND LEAD THE BEST GROUP OF PUBLIC SAFETY PROFESSIONALS A COMMUNITY COULD ASK FOR. I WISH EVERY COMMUNITY AROUND THE WORLD COULD HAVE A DEPARTMENT LIKE OURS WITH A CULTURE OF PROFESSIONALISM, COMPASSION, AND SELFLESS SERVICE TO OTHERS. I MUST EXPRESS MY SINCEREST APPRECIATION TO MY STAFF FOR THEIR SUPPORT AND COMMITMENT TO SERVICE. IT IS THEY WHO HAVE DEMONSTRATED THE COURAGE TO LISTEN AND THE HUMILITY TO TAKE ACTION TO MAKE US BETTER EVERY DAY. A SPECIAL THANK YOU TO MY LEADERSHIP TEAM, A ESPECIALLY DEPUTY CHIEF BRIAN MILLER, WHO TONIGHT CARRIES ON THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PUBLIC'S TRUST. WE AND MANY OTHERS BEFORE US HAVE WORKED SO HARD TO GAIN AND ASSUMES HIS NEW ROLE WITH MY ABSOLUTE TRUST AND CONFIDENCE TO MAINTAIN THE ORGANIZATIONAL EXCELLENCE WHILE ALWAYS BEING COMMUNITY CENTRIC. I WOULD NOT BE RETIRING IF THAT WAS NOT THE CASE TO CITY MANAGER FLYNN, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SERVE AS YOUR FIRST POLICE CHIEF. THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP AND CARE FOR STAFF AND THE COMMUNITY THAT HELPED PETALUMA SEE A BETTER FUTURE AND ALLOWED US TO REBUILD THIS FINE CITY AND ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER. IF I COULD AND TROUBLE YOU TO HAND THESE TO THE CITY MANAGER, I WOULD BE GRATEFUL. I'M NOT GONNA HUG YOU AGAIN 'CAUSE WE'LL BOTH CRY. , YOU WON'T GET SO BAD. , IF YOU, IF WE DON'T WIN THE HELEN PUTNAM AWARD, THE WORLD HAS GONE BLIND. SO THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU'VE DONE FOR US. THIS IS A DIFFERENT TIME AND, AND WE'RE ALL EXCITED. THANK YOU TO MY BEAUTIFUL WIFE, KATHLEEN, WHO HAS ALWAYS BEEN AT MY SIDE WITH LOVE AND SUPPORT, AND TO MY CITY, EXECUTIVE TEAM, CITY COUNCIL AND COMMUNITY. THIS WILL ALWAYS BE HOME. THANK YOU FOR THE SUPPORT AND CONCERN YOU HAVE SHOWN ME AND OUR FIRST RESPONDERS. I LEAVE TONIGHT KNOWING, WITHOUT A DOUBT, THIS FINE CITY IS IN YOUR GOOD HANDS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, [00:15:09] MR. MAY I'LL TURN IT BACK TO YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, I'D LIKE TO ASK THAT OUR INTERIM CHIEF, UH, JOIN US AT THE, UH, PODIUM HERE FOR OUR, UM, OATH OF AFFIRMATION. AND WHY DON'T I, I GET TO READ THE OATH. YOU GET TO RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. I SOLEMNLY SWEAR SOLEMN DEFENDANT OBLIGATION. OF COURSE, I HAVE TO FOLLOW UP, KEN, AND, UH, THAT'S ALWAYS A DIFFICULT THING. BUT I'M EXCITED TO HEAR THAT KEN SANO DAY IS ON THE 30TH, SO I EXPECT TO SEE HIM, UH, BACK IN THE BUILDING. STOP BY. YOU KNOW, MOST IMPORTANTLY, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU, UH, THANK YOU TO CITY MANAGER FLYNN, TO CHIEF SANO. SO MY STAFF AND OUR TEAM HERE. UM, WITHOUT THE SUPPORT, WITHOUT THE CONFIDENCE OR THE TRUST OR THE DEVELOPMENT, I WOULDN'T BE IN A POSITION, UM, THAT I AM TODAY AND FELT SUPPORTED TO TAKE ON THE TASK OF FOLLOWING UP A REALLY REMARKABLE PERSON THAT HAS LED OUR ORGANIZATION THROUGH, AS MENTIONED, SOME REALLY CHALLENGING TIMES. AND I FEEL PREPARED. I FEEL READY, I'M WILLING AND LOOK FORWARD TO THE NEXT CHAPTER OF OUR ORGANIZATION AND TO CONTINUING THE MOMENTUM. WE'VE DONE SOME REALLY REMARKABLE WORK, REALLY PROUD OF THE WORK THAT OUR TEAM DOES DAY AND AND NIGHT. UH, 365 DAYS A YEAR. PRETTY IMPRESSIVE PEOPLE. SMART, INTELLIGENT, REASONABLE, EMPATHETIC, COMPASSIONATE. AND WE'RE PROUD OF THE ORGANIZATION AND, AND THE WORK THAT'S AHEAD OF US. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE YOU AND CONTINUE SERVING LIKE I'VE DONE FOR ALMOST THE PAST 19 YEARS, AND THAT I PLAN TO DO FOR THE NEXT 10 AND, UH, YOU KNOW, BEYOND. SO THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT. AND JUST A THANKS FROM ALL OF US TO CHIEF SANO, INTERIM CHIEF MILLER AND THE GREAT DEPARTMENT WE HAVE HERE IN PETALUMA. THANK YOU ALL. SO WE WILL NOW MOVE INTO, UM, NEXT ITEMS. WE CAN TAKE A LITTLE MINUTE IF, UM, FOLKS ARE GONNA CHANGE SEATS HERE. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE [00:20:01] . I LOVE IT ALL. THANK YOU. UM, IT MIGHT BE UNIVERSAL. OUR NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS FOR THE EVENING IS OUR REPORT OUT OF CLOSED SESSION. I'D LIKE TO INVITE THE CITY ATTORNEY, DEREK ERIC DANLEY, TO UH, DISCUSS. THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. THERE IS NO ACTION TO REPORT TONIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT MOVES US [GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT] TO OUR NEXT ITEM FOR THE EVENING, WHICH IS GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. AND DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON ITEMS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THAT ARE WITHIN THE CITY COUNCIL'S SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION AND THAT ARE NOT LISTED ON THE CURRENT AGENDA. PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO UP TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON. DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF PERSONS WISHING TO ADDRESS COUNSEL, TIME WILL BE ALLOCATED IN EQUAL SHARES, TOTALING NO MORE THAN 20 MINUTES. AND, UH, CITY ATTORNEY, DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS TONIGHT? DO YOU, I I CAN ADD SOME BRIEF REMARKS MR. MAYOR, UM, BRIEFER THAN, THAN I'VE IN THE PAST. UM, I'LL JUST NOTE, UM, AND, AND REMIND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT MEETINGS OF THE PETALUMA CITY COUNCIL AND OTHER PETALUMA BROWN ACT BODIES ARE LIMITED PUBLIC FORUMS. AND THAT MEANS THAT THE RIGHT OF THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK IS LIMITED IN COMPARISON TO THE PUBLIC'S RIGHT TO SPEAK IN TRADITIONAL FORUMS. PUBLIC COMMENTS AT MEETINGS OF PETALUMA BROAD ACT BODIES LIKE THE CITY COUNCIL ARE LIMITED TO COMMENTS ON TOPICS WITHIN THE LEGISLATIVE BODY SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AND TO COMMENTS PERTINENT TO AGENDA ITEMS DURING PUBLIC COMMENT ON THOSE AGENDA ITEMS. WE ARE PREPARED, STAFF ARE PREPARED. I'M PREPARED TO ASSIST THE MAYOR IN CONDUCTING THE MEETING AS NEEDED TO HELP ENSURE THAT WE COMPLETE THE PUBLIC'S BUSINESS CONSISTENT WITH THOSE REQUIREMENTS. I'M ALSO GONNA REMIND FOLKS THAT THE BROWN ACT DOES NOT REQUIRE PERMITTING MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT FROM A REMOTE, REMOTE LOCATION, EXCEPT WHEN A LEGISLATIVE BODY MEMBER IS ALSO PARTICIPATING REMOTELY. THE COUNCIL HAS SUSPENDED FOR THE TIME BEING, THE OPPORTUNITY FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO GIVE REMOTE PUBLIC COMMENT TO AVOID DISRUPTION SUCH AS WE AND OTHER CITIES HAVE EXPERIENCED IN THE PAST. UM, AT THE SAME TIME, GIVEN THE COUNCIL'S COMMITMENT, UM, THAT STAFF FULLY SUPPORT TO ENSURE, UM, AMPLE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO PARTICIPATE IN THE COUNCIL'S CONDUCTING OF ITS BUSINESS, UM, THE COUNCIL HAS DIRECTED STAFF TO REVISIT THIS ISSUE OF REMOTE PARTICIPATION IN CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS SOMETIME IN THE NEW YEAR. AND, AND WE'LL CERTAINLY BE HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. AND THANK YOU. UH, NOW WE HAVE THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT SESSION OPEN, AND I'D LIKE TO ASK THE CLERK IF, IF WE'VE RECEIVED ANY ONLINE COMMENTS PRIOR TO OUR MEETING. YES, WE DID RECEIVE SEVEN GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS, AND THOSE ARE POSTED WITH THE AGENDA ONLINE. THANK YOU. AND I'D LIKE TO ASK OUR MODERATOR IF SHE WOULD, UH, UM, READ THE INFORMATIONAL MESSAGING FOR THIS ITEM. MM-HMM. . YEP. OKAY. AT THIS TIME, I'LL START A 32ND CLOCK FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ATTENDING IN PERSON SHOULD BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE SO. SPEAKERS ARE REMINDED TO BE RESPECTFUL AND THEIR COMMENTS, AND THAT THIS MEETING IS BEING TRANSLATED. PLEASE PAUSE BETWEEN SENTENCES FOR TRANSLATION. A COUNTDOWN WILL APPEAR FOR THE CONVENIENCE OF THE SPEAKERS AND THE VIEWERS. THANK YOU FOR THAT. MM-HMM, . AND I HAVE THREE CARDS HERE THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED FROM THE AUDIENCE. AND SO, UH, THE, THE TIMER WILL BE SET AT THREE MINUTES. MM-HMM, . AND I WILL READ THE NAMES OF THE, UH, PARTICIPANTS, MICHAEL SHAPIRO, TO BE FOLLOWED BY PETER ALEXANDER. PLEASE COME UP AND START. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MAYOR MCDONALD, UH, [00:25:01] VICE MAYOR, CATER THOMPSON, AND THE ENTIRE COUNCIL. UM, I'VE COME UP ONCE BEFORE. UM, I'VE LIVED IN PETALUMA 15 YEARS NOW. WE LIVE ON OPTIMUM STREET. WE LIVE IN AN AREA THAT IS HEAVILY, UH, USED BY LEAF BLOWERS, MEANING THERE'S A LOT OF GARDENERS WITH LEAF BLOWERS. I'VE SPOKEN TO A COUPLE OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY ABOUT THIS, AND THE MORE I'VE STUDIED IT, I'VE WRITTEN A COUPLE OF ARTICLES FOR SIERRA MAGAZINE. NOW I'VE WRITTEN A COMMENT FOR THE PRESS DEMOCRAT. UM, WHAT I'M LEARNING IS THAT THE NOISE IS ONLY PART OF THE PROBLEM. THE NOISE CAN REACH UP TO A HUNDRED DECIBELS OR SOMETIMES EVEN LOUDER, WHICH MAKES IT HARD TO WORK. IT TRIGGERS HEADACHES. UM, IT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT TO WORK AT HOME AS I DO AND HAVE ZOOM MEETINGS. IT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT TO RECORD CONVERSATIONS, WHICH I DO WHEN I INTERVIEW PEOPLE FOR THE PRESS DEMOCRAT, I TYPICALLY RECORD THE CONVERSATIONS. UM, IT'S ALSO STUNNING TO ME THAT IT'S NOT JUST FUMES THAT COME OUT OF LEAF BLOWERS. IT IS ACTUALLY AN AEROSOL OF UNBURNED OIL AND GAS. SO ESSENTIALLY IT'S AN OIL SPILL AND A GAS SPILL INTO THE AIR. AND I APPLAUD PETALUMA FOR BEING VERY CLIMATE CONSCIOUS. UH, I THINK THE 2030 INITIATIVE TO BE NEUTRAL IN TERMS OF OUR CARBON EMISSIONS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. AND I THINK THIS IS VERY LOW HANGING FRUIT. AND THE OTHER THING THAT'S TIMELY ABOUT IT IS THAT NEXT YEAR, 2024, CALIFORNIA WILL BAN THE SALE, BUT NOT THE USE OF GAS POWERED LEAF BLOWERS AND GAS POWERED LAWN EQUIPMENT, YOU KNOW, LIKE MOWERS. WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THIS IS THAT YOU COULD BUY A GAS POWERED LEAF BLOWER TODAY AND USE IT FOR ANOTHER 15 YEARS. AND I ASKED MY GARDENER RECENTLY, WHAT IS THE BAN? YOU KNOW, ARE GARDENERS STOPPING BUYING THESE THINGS? AND HE IS LIKE, OH, NO. ARE YOU KIDDING? THEY'RE GOING OUT. EVERYBODY KNOWS THEY'RE GOING TO BE BANNED NEXT YEAR. PEOPLE ARE BUYING THEM UP. SO I THINK IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT RIGHT NOW THAT PETALUMA TAKE A STAND AND SAY, LOOK, YOU CAN'T BAN THEM THIS YEAR OR NEXT YEAR, BUT YOU COULD DO WHAT WASHINGTON DC DID. AND SAY, DC IN MID 2018 SAID, IN THREE AND A HALF YEARS, WE ARE BANNING THE USE OF GAS POWERED LEAF BLOWERS. THAT DOESN'T MEAN ALL LEAF BLOWERS. ELECTRIC LEAF BLOWERS CAN STILL BE USED. UM, THAT SHOULD BE ENCOURAGED. THEY HAD A BUYBACK PROGRAM WHERE PEOPLE COULD GET 50 TO $75 TOWARDS THE PURCHASE OF A NEW ELECTRIC LEAF BLOWER. PEOPLE IN DC UM, AS I DID THE REPORTING ON THIS, PEOPLE IN DC ARE VERY, VERY HAPPY. NOT EVERY SINGLE PERSON, BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ARE MUCH HAPPIER THAT THEY HAVE A QUIETER CITY. THEY HAVE A MORE PEACEFUL CITY. UM, ELECTRIC LEAF BLOWERS ARE JUST AS EFFICIENT NOW AS GAS LEAF BLOWERS. YOU KNOW, THERE'S THESE EGO, EGO EEN GEO IS ONE BRAND. THEY'RE, THEY CAN DO EVERYTHING THAT A GAS LEAF BLOWER CAN DO, WHICH IS NOT CASE. YOUR TIME IS OUT, NOT THE CASE. THAT WAS MM-HMM. BEST. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. THANK YOU. UH, NOW WE HAVE PETER ALEXANDER TO BE FOLLOWED BY MONICA MARELLA. AND, UM, PETER IS NOT IN CHAMBERS, SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UH, MONICA MARELLA. HI. UM, I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF PETALUMA FOR FIVE YEARS. THANK YOU FOR, SORRY. THANK YOU FOR HEARING MY COMMENT. UM, UN UNLAWFUL ANIMAL CRUELTY, UH, IS OCCURRING IN AT LEAST TWO FACTORY FARMS IN PETALUMA SUNRISE EGG FARM AND REIHART DUCK FARM EVIDENCE HAS BEEN GATHERED AND OFFERED TO THE DA'S OFFICE, WHICH REFUSED IT. SONOMA COUNTY SHERIFF TOOK A REPORT BUT HAS NOT FOLLOWED UP WITH NEW, WITH A NEW INVESTIGATION. FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, I ASK ALL MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY WHO OPPOSE ILLEGAL ANIMAL CRUELTY, UM, INCLUDING THE GOVERNMENT TO REQUEST AN INVESTIGATION AND POSSIBLE PROSECUTION OF THESE FARMS FROM THE DA'S OFFICE. THE MOST RECENT INVESTIGATION TOOK PLACE ON NOVEMBER 2ND, 2023. TWO SICK AND INJURED DUCKS AND ONE INJURED CHICKEN WERE RESCUED AND TAKEN TO PLACES WHERE THEY'LL GET PROPER CARE. TO MAKE PETALUMA BETTER, PLEASE CONSIDER THAT FACTORY FARMS SHOULD GIVE WAY TO PLANT AND FUNGI FARMING, IMPROVING PRACTICES IN WAYS THAT HEAL AIR, WATER, HEALTH, AND HABITAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THAT WAS THE LAST OF THE CARDS I HAVE FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. SO I'LL CLOSE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE EVENING [00:30:01] AND MOVE US [COUNCIL COMMENT] TO COUNCIL COMMENTS AND IN COUNCIL COMMENTS. WE'VE BEEN FAIRLY SUCCESSFUL AT TRAIN, TRYING TO KEEP OURSELVES AT, UH, AT SHORT COMMENTS. AND, UH, SO I'D LIKE TO CONTINUE THAT SUCCESS RATE THIS EVENING. AND, UM, I'D LIKE TO START THE COMMENTS TONIGHT WITH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER RES. THANK YOU. UM, THE, UH, CLIMATE, UH, COMMISSION WAS CANCELED THIS LAST MEETING, BUT WE'RE GONNA BE STUDYING THE, UH, BLUEPRINT FOR CARBON NEUTRALITY BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT MEETING, AND BE PREPARED TO ACTUALLY GO OVER THAT IN DETAIL NEXT MONTH. UM, I WORKED WITH, UM, RELIEF PETALUMA THIS JUST YESTERDAY, AND WE PLANTED 70 TREES OVER AT MEWA SCHOOL AND MEWA PARK. UH, SO THEY ALL GOT IN AND ESTABLISHED BY, EVEN THOUGH WE HAD TO SWITCH DAYS, UH, BY, UM, BY 5:00 PM WE HAD ALL 70 TREES IN THE GROUND STATE, WHICH IS PRETTY PHENOMENAL THAT THAT HAPPENED. UM, THERE WAS ALSO ATTENDED SEVERAL MEETINGS THIS LAST WEEK, BLUE ZONES, NO, BEFORE YOU GROW. UM, EVEN AT WATCHED THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHICH WENT ALL THE WAY TO TWO 30 IN THE MORNING. UM, AND, UH, UH, SVAS HAD HAD A LAST DAY. WE, WE WERE THERE AT 7:00 AM. UM, SO THAT ALL WORKED OUT WELL. THE, UM, OTHER THING IS I DID WATCH A WEBINAR ON AS OCEAN ACIDIFICATION, AND A REAL REASON FOR US TO KEEP WORKING VERY HARD ON CARBON EMISSION IS THAT THE OCEANS ARE TAKING EVEN A LARGER IMPACT THAN EVEN OUR LAND AND AIR. SO, UH, TO HELP SAVE THE OCEANS AND WHAT'S HAPPENING CHEMICALLY TO, TO THEM RIGHT NOW, AND ALSO PHYSICALLY, UM, CHANGING THE PARAMETERS OF TEMPERATURE WE NEED TO WORK WITH, UM, AND DO ADMISSIONS MUCH MORE THAN, AND WE NEED TO SET THAT AS EVEN A BIGGER GOAL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER ZEKE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, I, I'VE HAD A COUPLE OF, UH, UM, HOMELESS RELATED MEETINGS WHERE WE CONTINUE TO WORK, UH, ON THESE ISSUES. UH, NOTHING MAJOR TO REPORT IN THAT REGARD. I'D LIKE TO USE MOST OF MY TIME TO JUST, UM, UM, MENTION THAT IN LIGHT OF OUR, UH, TALKING A LOT LATELY ABOUT AND AGAINST HATE SPEECH OF VARIOUS TYPES AS WELL AS RELATED ISSUES, UH, UH, THERE'S ONE GROUP I WANTED TO MENTION, UH, TODAY, AND I'LL GET WITH MORE DETAIL, UH, GO ONTO MORE DETAIL QUICKLY HERE. UM, AS THE, UH, TRANSGENDER, UH, FOLKS, UM, I, UH, UM, TODAY, NOVEMBER 20, IT'S BEEN DECLARED AN OPPORTUNITY TO HONOR THE MEMORY OF THOSE LOST TO ANTI-TRANS GENDER VIOLENCE OVER THE PAST YEAR. AND, UM, I, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE LITTLE MEMORIES ABOUT A WIDE VARIETY OF THINGS THAT MAYBE DON'T SEEM SO IMPORTANT AT THE TIME, BUT, UH, MY FIRST CONTACT WITH THIS ISSUE WAS IN 1981, MY FIRST, UH, MEDICAL JOB WITH THE, UH, SAN DIEGO VA MEDICAL CENTER WHERE A YOUNG VET JUST RETURNED OR A COUPLE YEARS RETURNED FROM THE VIETNAM WAR, UH, WAS ASKING FOR A GENDER TRANSITION. AND I SIGNED THE PAPERWORK FOR THAT. SO I, I HAD A, YOU KNOW, UH, THOUGHT ABOUT THAT A LOT. AND THIS IS, I I PUT THAT OUT THERE BECAUSE THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT HAS JUST COME ON WITH WOKENESS IF YOU LOOK AT IT THAT WAY. UH, AND, UH, UH, I THINK WE SHOULD HONOR THESE FOLKS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I, I THINK IT BEARS REITERATING IF WE'RE GONNA PUT A FLAG OVER BANNERS OVER MAIN STREET UNITED AGAINST HATE THAT IT'S AGAINST HATE OF ALL DISCRIMINATION AGAINST ANY. AND SO THANK YOU FOR THAT COMMENT. UH, COUNCILWOMAN NOW. UM, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. UM, THE RECENT PARKS AND RECS MEETING, THEY INFORMED ME THAT NOT ONLY DO, UH, WE DO THE TURKEY TROTT ON THANKSGIVING DAY, UM, PRE-WORK OFF THOSE CALORIES. UM, IT'S ALSO A FOOD DRIVE. AND SO IT WILL BE STARTING AT, UM, ELLIS CREEK, UM, AT EIGHT 15 ON THANKSGIVING MORNING. AND YOU CAN REGISTER ON PETALUMA TURKEY TROTT.COM. THE STAFF IS ALSO WORKING ON WRITING LETTERS BACK TO, UH, CHILDREN WHO WRITE LETTERS TO SANTA AND DROP THEM OFF AT CITY HALL OR THE COMMUNITY CENTER. AND IF THE PARENTS INCLUDE A SELF-ADDRESSED, DUMPED ENVELOPE, STAFF IS BUSY WRITING THOSE LETTERS AND SENDING THEM BACK BETWEEN DECEMBER 5TH AND, UH, NO, IT'S NOVEMBER 27TH TO DECEMBER 8TH. SORRY ABOUT THAT. SO GET THOSE LETTERS TO SANTA AND INCLUDE THAT SELF-ADDRESSED STAMP TO ENVELOPE. UM, THE SENIOR CENTER HAS LOTS OF FUN ACTIVITIES PLANNED FOR DECEMBER, NOVEMBER WAS, UM, VERY, UM, FESTIVE. AND THEN, UM, MARIA AT THE DOWNTOWN ASSOCIATION REMINDED ME, AND OF COURSE I BROUGHT MY VISUAL, THE LIGHT OF A LIFE IN WALNUT PARK IS ON DECEMBER 1ST, AND THAT'S, UM, THE TREE LIGHTING, [00:35:01] UM, IN THE WALNUT PARK. AND THEN THE NEXT DAY IS THE OPEN HOUSE DOWNTOWN AND THE HOLIDAY TREE LIGHTING AT THEATER SQUARE. AND THEN SHE ALSO WANTS TO REMIND PEOPLE TO SHOP PETALUMA ON, UM, THE DAY SANTA COMES DOWNTOWN ON THE RIVER. AND THAT'S PUT ON BY THE CITY AS WELL. HE'LL BE IN THE TURNING BASIN ON DECEMBER 1ST. UM, LET ME MAKE SURE I GOT THAT. I'M SORRY. 11 NOVEMBER 25TH, A MONTH BEFORE CHRISTMAS. I'M TRYING TO GET IN WITH THE 90 SECONDS. ALSO, THESE POSTERS PEDAL IN THE STANDS, UNITED AGAINST STATE WITH THE QR CODE ARE AVAILABLE AT THE LIBRARY. I WENT WITH MY GRANDSONS TO PICK IT UP AND THEY REMINDED ME THAT, HATE IS A BAD WORD, THEY WOULDN'T TAKE A POSTER BACK BECAUSE IT HAD HATE ON IT. SO I SAID, WELL, MAYBE WE COULD SAY EVERYBODY SHOULD BE KIND. SO ANYWAY, MR. MAYOR, THAT'S MY REPORT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COUNCIL MEMBER BARN, NICOLE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. UM, I'M JUST GONNA, UM, I WAS OUT OF TOWN TRAVELING, SO I WAS NOT ABLE TO ATTEND, UH, CHIEF SANOS LAST DAY, SO I'M JUST GONNA PILE ON SOME CONGRATULATIONS ON A LONG CAREER. AND THANK YOU FOR, UM, LEAVING ME, UH, THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE DEPARTMENT IN GOOD HANDS AND IN BETTER PLACE THAN WHEN HE STARTED, FOR SURE. UM, I WANNA APPRECIATE HIM. I KNOW HE IS NOT IN THE ROOM ANYMORE, BUT FOR TEACHING ME A LOT ABOUT POLICING, UM, A LOT ABOUT THE INTERCONNECTEDNESS AND ISSUES. UM, AND, UM, OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS I'VE SEEN A LOT OF, UM, A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS LEARNING ABOUT AND CONCERNED ABOUT TAKEN, UM, TAKEN ON WITH, UM, WITH GUSTO, UM, TO INTERIM CHIEF MILLER. THANK YOU AND GOOD LUCK TO YOUR FAMILY. THANK YOU FOR, UM, GRACING US WITH YOUR, UH, WITH YOUR PROFESSIONALISM. UM, YOU ARE READY. AND, UM, I HAVE THE UTMOST CONFIDENCE IN YOU THAT YOU'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO LEAD THE DEPARTMENT THE WAY CHIEF SANO DID. SO THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER O'BRIEN OR HEALY. YEAH, I DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, LIAISON REPORTS TONIGHT. THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR, CATER THOMPSON. THANK YOU. UM, I WANNA THANK, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, FOR YOUR COMMENTS ON TRANSGENDER. I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT AND MAYBE NEXT YEAR WE CAN ACTUALLY HONOR WITH THE RESOLUTION OR SOMETHING. 'CAUSE WE GOT AN EMAIL TODAY. UH, MY SCTA, UM, BACK TO, UM, COUNCIL MEMBERSHIPS, THERE HAS BEEN A 4% DECREASE IN CARBON EMISSIONS IN SONOMA COUNTY. UM, THERE ARE SOME CITIES THAT AREN'T DOING AS WELL AS OTHERS, BUT OUR CITY WAS NOT NAMED, SO THAT WAS A GOOD SIGN. SO I WAS PLEASED ABOUT THAT. AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION, YES, DID GO TILL TWO 30, WELL, 2:20 AM UM, AND I JUST WANT TO, UM, SAY THAT IT WAS A UNANIMOUS DECISION AND IT WAS A VERY LONG MEETING, BUT I DID HEAR FROM SOME MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. UM, THE CHAIR, HUBER DID AN EXCELLENT JOB KEEPING THE MEETING FOCUSED ON THE OVERLAY, AND THE STAFF PRESENTATION WAS DETAILED AND VERY GOOD. UM, AND COMPLIMENTED COMMISSIONERS FOR THEIR COMMENTS. UM, AND AS I SAID, THE VOTE WAS UNANIMOUS FOR THE OVERLAY. UM, I JUST WANNA TALK ABOUT, UM, MY DISTRICT AND DISTRICT ONE, AND SINCE ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS IS IN THE AUDIENCE, UM, I WAS DRIVING UP MARIA DRIVE BECAUSE WE HAVE THE SIGNS TO SLOW DOWN. AND SO IF I SEE SOMEBODY OUT, I WILL JUST STOP AND TALK TO THEM. AND SO WE GOT THREE SIGNS ON MARIA DRIVE, BUT THERE ARE SOME OTHER ISSUES THAT, UH, MY, MY FRIEND WAYNE, UM, TALKED ABOUT AND ACTUALLY ANOTHER NEIGHBOR. AND ONE IS TRIMMING TO TREE, YOU KNOW, JUST SO THE LIGHT WILL BE A LITTLE BIT MORE LIT IN FRONT OF AN INTERSECTION. AND THEN KIND THE, SHE'S DOING A GREAT JOB IN PUTTING RED ON THE CURBS SO PEOPLE AREN'T SO CLOSE, UM, TO THE CURB. SO WHEN CARS COME UP OR PEOPLE ARE WALKING THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THEM. AND SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT. BUT ALSO, UM, LET'S SEE, SOME SPEEDING IS A HUGE ISSUE AND THAT'S WHAT I HEARD FROM, UM, PEOPLE. AND LITERALLY I JUST STOP AND TALK. UM, AND ALSO, UM, NUMBER ONE COMPLAINT SEEMS TO BE, UM, TRAILERS, MOTOR HOME VEHICLES AND STUFF STORED ON CITY STREETS. YOU HEAR A LOT OF THAT ALSO. UM, BUT THIS FRIDAY, UM, OUR NEW INTERIM CHIEF IS GONNA BE ON MY RADIO SHOW, 1 0 3 0.3 FM. UM, IT'S CALLED INSIDE PETALUMA. AND IT'S ALWAYS NICE. HE COMES ON ABOUT EVERY FOUR MONTHS AND WE JUST TALK ABOUT LOCAL ISSUES AND WHAT'S GOING ON. SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THESE ISSUES ON MARIA DRIVE. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, UM, IN 2024, I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO ORDINANCE UPDATES SUCH AS, YOU KNOW, LEAF BLOWER, PARKING ORDINANCE AND, AND MORE. AND SO I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A GREAT YEAR AND EVERYBODY HAVE A SAFE HOLIDAY. YEAH. THANK YOU. AND, [00:40:01] AND, UM, SPEAKING OF SPEEDING, UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING IN THE VETERAN'S DAY PARADE, CARRYING ONE OF THOSE SIGNS OF THE CITY. SLOW THE FAST DOWN, YOU KNOW, IT'S A GOOD, GOOD NEW CAMPAIGN BY THE CITY AND APPRECIATE YOU BEING OUT THERE CARRYING A SIGN FOR IT. AND I THINK THE ONLY COMMENT I HAVE, UH, THAT HASN'T BEEN MENTIONED BY SOMEONE ALREADY IS, UH, WHAT A GREAT DAY. WE HAD GROUNDBREAKING FOR THE NEW SMART STATION, UH, AND THE HOUSING THAT GOES THERE. I MEAN, THAT'S JUST SO KEY THAT WE, WE GET AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUILT IN OUR COMMUNITY AND THAT WE LINK IT TO TRANSPORTATION IN OUR COMMUNITY. SO A A A BIG DAY THERE. AND, [CITY MANAGER COMMENT] UH, WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO STAFF FOR CITY MANAGER COMMENT. THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, CITY COUNCIL AND COMMUNITY. UM, AGAIN, UH, THANK YOU INTERIM CHIEF BRIAN MILLER FOR STEPPING IN INTO A, UM, LEADERSHIP, WHICH YOU DO SO NATURALLY, BUT YOU'VE GOT OUR FULL SUPPORT. AND, UM, JUST WANNA LET THE COMMUNITY KNOW THAT CITY OFFICES ARE CLOSED WEDNESDAY, UH, THIS WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY FOR THE THANKSGIVING HOLIDAY, AND THAT STAFF ON BEHALF OF STAFF, I'D LIKE JUST TO TELL OUR COMMUNITY THAT WE ARE VERY, VERY GRATEFUL FOR YOU. WE'RE, UM, VERY THANKFUL TO BE THE CITY THAT WE ARE. AND IT'S BECAUSE OF THE COMMUNITY THAT WE, THAT WE SERVE AND WISH EVERYBODY A BEAUTIFUL THANKSGIVING HOLIDAY. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU. AND, UM, MOVING US NOW INTO OUR CONSENT CALENDAR. UH, BEFORE WE START, I'D LIKE TO INVITE COUNCIL MEMBER ADE TO SPEAK ON NUMBER SEVEN THERE, I THINK IT IS THAT YOU WANT TO TALK, TALK ABOUT, ARE YOU, UH, ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT RECUSING ON NUMBER SEVEN? SO I, I HAVE A FOOTNOTE ABOUT THE, UH, SORRY, I'LL CUS FOR THAT. OKAY. SO WE HAVE, AND THAT'S NOT A WALK OUTTA THE ROOM KIND OF THING 'CAUSE WE'RE IN CONSENT CALENDAR, SO THAT'S GOOD. AND UM, THEN I [CONSENT CALENDAR] KNOW AS I LOOK AT THE CONSENT CALENDAR, I SEE THE TENTATIVE AGENDA FOR OUR NEXT MEETING, UH, SEEMS FAIRLY LARGE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO REMOVE THIS FROM THE CALENDAR TO DISCUSS IT. I THINK WE CAN JUST DISCUSS IT AS PART OF OUR PREVIOUS COMMENTS AND, AND SUGGEST THAT WE GET THE PUBLIC PART OF THAT, THE, THE BUSINESS PART OF THE MEETING ADVANCE AS FAR FORWARD. AND SO I'D LIKE TO ASK STAFF LIKE, WHAT'S THE BEST TRICK TO GET THE PUBLIC, UH, HEARING PART ADVANCED AND MAYBE OTHER THINGS WE DO BEFORE THAT ALTERED IN THE AGENDA. SO, SO THERE'S, THE COUNCIL HAS CHOICES ABOUT THAT, BUT ONE WAY WE CAN DO IT IS TO, UM, UM, TAKE THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE END. WE CAN TAKE CITY COUNCIL AND CITY MANAGER COMMENT AT THE END. UM, CONSENT CALENDAR CAN BE MOVED AT THE END IF THIS COUNCIL SO PLEASES. SO THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY THERE. IT'S, IT'S WHAT . SO I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST WE MOVE EVERYTHING TO THE END EXCEPT FOR WE HAVE TWO BUSINESS, UH, PUBLIC HEARING THINGS. WE KEEP THOSE TWO THE WAY WE SEE 'EM ON THE AGENDA. WOULD ANYONE ELSE COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE. I, I LIKE THAT. UM, THE ONE THING THAT I HEARD WHEN I SUGGESTED THAT AT A PRIOR MEETING WAS THAT ALL OF THE STAFF NAMES THAT ARE ON THERE IN THE CONSENT CALENDAR THEN HAVE TO BE AWAKE UNTIL AFTER THE BUSINESS ITEM. SO MAYBE WE MOVE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AND COUNCIL COMMENT TO THE END, BUT WE KEEP THE CONSENT CALENDAR UPFRONT BECAUSE OTHERWISE, UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE PROBABLY A DOZEN OR MORE STAFF THAT HAVE TO HANG ON UNTIL THE WEE HOURS COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY. SO MR. MAYOR, YOU AND I HAD DISCUSSED ABOUT STARTING THE MEETING AT FIVE 30 RATHER THAN SIX 30. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S STILL ON THE TABLE. LET'S ASK THE STAFF INPUT ON THAT. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE CAN CHANGE THE TIME. IT'S JUST MAKING SURE THAT FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY KNOW THEY'RE NOT USED TO HAVING OUR MEETINGS START AT FIVE 30, SO JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO GET AHOLD OF EVERYBODY AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE AWARE THAT OUR, OUR COUNCIL MEETINGS CAN START AT FIVE 30. SO, OKAY. THAT'S A SOLVABLE PROBLEM. THANK YOU. UM, I, I THINK WE SHOULD START AT FIVE 30. I THINK WE SHOULD PUSH, LEAVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR WHERE IT IS, BUT PUSH PUBLIC COMMENT AND COUNCIL COMMENT AND CITY MANAGER COMMENT TO THE END. UM, I ALSO AM SKEPTICAL THAT EVEN WITH THE EARLY START, WE'RE GONNA GET DONE AT A REASONABLE HOUR. UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION STARTED AT, UH, SIX, UH, ON THIS AND WENT UNTIL TWO 20 IN THE MORNING. AND I DON'T THINK GIVEN THE LEVEL OF INTEREST IN THE COMMUNITY, THIS IS ON THIS ISSUE, THAT THIS IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD RESTRICT PUBLIC COMMENT TO ANYTHING LESS THAN THREE MINUTES. SO I WOULD SAY THAT WE SHOULD START AT FIVE 30 AND THEN HAVE A, A HARD CLOSE OF 12 MIDNIGHT. AND IF WE CAN'T FINISH BY 12 MIDNIGHT, WE CAN COME BACK THE NEXT DAY AND FINISH IT. I, WE SHOULDN'T BE CONDUCTING THE PUBLIC'S BUSINESS AFTER THE BARS CLOSE AT TWO IN THE MORNING. WE REALLY SHOULD NOT BE, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE AND THAT'S NOT FAIR TO THE COMMUNITY. OKAY. UM, SO WE GOT SEVERAL DIFFERENT THINGS GOING. AND DID YOU WISH TO WEIGH IN ON A PIECE OF THIS? I WAS JUST GONNA SAY IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A COUNCIL MEETING CONTINUE TO THE NEXT DAY, THEN WE SHOULD GET THAT INFORMATION OUT [00:45:01] WITH THE EARLIER START IS THAT WAS MY COMMENT. OKAY. UM, SO, UM, I LIKE THE IDEA OF AN EARLY START AND I LIKE THE IDEA OF MOVING ITEMS BEFORE IT. AND MAYBE WE HAVE, UH, WE COMMUNICATE THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING BUSINESS, THE TWO ITEMS OF PUBLIC HEARING, MAYBE THEY HAVE THE SIX 30 START SO THAT NOBODY'S FOOLED OR NOBODY MISSES THEM, THE KEY THING THEY'RE GONNA COME FROM. SO IF WE HOLD THEM AT SIX 30 AND PUSH EVERYTHING ELSE BEFORE SIX 30, UM, THAT WOULD, THAT TRYING TO CRAFT AN ANSWER. AND BACK TO COUNCILMAN BARNACLE ALSO, THAT WAS A JOINT COMMITTEE MEETING, UM, THAT HAD MULTIPLE DIFFERENT TOPICS BEING DISCUSSED. UM, SO I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE GONNA, AND I THINK WE CAN ALL BE MORE CONCISE, UM, THAN THAT MEETING WAS. I KNOW, I, I WAS IN CHICAGO AND I WATCHED IT UNTIL FOUR 15 IN THE MORNING UNTIL THE VOTE BECAUSE I WAS CAPTIVATED. UM, I'M THAT GUY. UM, AND I COMMIT TO BEING WAY MORE CONCISE THAN THAT MEETING WAS. SO I THINK IT'S ON US TO, TO JUST BE MORE CONCISE TOO, BUT I AGREE WE SHOULDN'T CONSTRICT PUBLIC COMMENT. UM, BUT I'M CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO COME BACK THE NEXT DAY. SO I, I HEAR YOUR CONFIDENCE IN COMPLETING BY MIDNIGHT. UM, NO, NO, NO COMMUTING, NO, NOT COMMUTING, NOT CONFIDENT TO COMPLETE BEFORE MIDNIGHT. I'M CONFIDENT THAT I'LL BE CONCISE. . OKAY. SO, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER SHRI. UM, THE ONLY THING I WOULD, UH, ASK IF, 'CAUSE I AGREE WITH, UH, COUNCILMAN HEALY THAT, UH, MIDNIGHT IS A GOOD HARD, UH, CLOSE ON, ON MEETINGS FOR ALL MEETINGS, UH, THAT WE CONDUCT. 'CAUSE UH, I KNOW DECISION MAKING AFTER MIDNIGHT, UH, UP HERE, OR EVEN LISTENING AND STAYING, IT GETS VERY DIFFICULT. UM, SO I WOULD AGREE WITH MAYBE WE OUGHT TO MAKE THAT A REGULAR THING, NOT JUST FOR A ONE NIGHT. AND THE OTHER THING IS, UM, FOR THE EARLY START AND THE WAY WE REARRANGE IT, UM, IF THIS IS SUCCESSFUL, LET'S, LET'S BE THINKING ABOUT CHANGING IT. THE, THE WAY WE FORMAT THINGS CONTINUOUSLY FOR THE SAME REASON. 'CAUSE WE WANT THE PUBLIC HERE TO DISCUSS WITH US FIRST AND, AND SO THAT THEY CAN GET THE, AND NOT HAVE TO WAIT TILL 11 OR 12 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT TO, UM, TO HAVE THEIR SAY ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS. SO ANYWAY, JUST, I'D LIKE TO USE THIS AS LET, LET'S TRY IT AS A PILOT AND, UH, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. AND LET'S, UH, THINK ABOUT MAYBE REFORMATTING, UH, UH, DOWN THE LINE ALSO, COUNCIL MEMBER NOW. UM, THANK YOU. AND I'M GONNA REMIND EVERYBODY THAT LAST TIME I WAS ON THE COUNCIL WE HAD A THREE O'CLOCK MEETING, WHICH WE GOT CONSENT CALENDAR OUT OF THE WAY AND A LOT OF BUSINESS. AND THEN WE HAD TIME FOR A CLOSED SESSION OR A LUNCH, A DINNER BREAK. AND THEN WE CAME BACK AND WE GOT, UH, WORK DONE THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC COULD SPEAK AND THEY DIDN'T GET SHORTENED THEIR TIME, UM, ALLOTMENT OF THREE MINUTES IF THERE WERE 30 SPEAKERS BECAUSE WE HAD A LOT OF PASSION BEHIND THE SHOPPING CENTERS THAT WERE BEING BUILT ON THE EAST SIDE. AND SOME OF THOSE MEETINGS WENT TILL ONE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, EVEN THOUGH WE STARTED AT SIX 30. SO I, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD START THE MEETING EARLIER AND END AT MIDNIGHT AND THEN HAVE A CLAUSE IN THERE THAT SAYS, IF WE DON'T FINISH, WE'LL COME BACK THE NEXT DAY WITH A, AFTER SOME REST. SO I'M HEARING A CONSENSUS ON THE FIVE 30 START TIME. UH, COUNCILMAN BARNACLE. YEAH, I'M, I'M FINE WITH THE FIVE 30 START TIME. UM, I CAN'T COMMIT TO COMING BACK THE NEXT DAY. I HAVE TO MAKE PLANS MY LIFE. UM, I CARVE OUT MY MONDAY NIGHT TO DO THIS. I COMMIT TO BEING HERE AND DOING THE PUBLIC'S BUSINESS. UM, BUT ASKING, UM, YOU KNOW, THINKING THAT THE PUBLIC'S GONNA COME BACK ON TUESDAY, THAT THEY DON'T HAVE PLANS ON TUESDAY. I MEAN, IT'S JUST, THERE'S, THERE'S NO, UM, THERE'S NO RATIONAL THING WHERE PEOPLE ARE SAYING, I'M GONNA HOLD MY TUESDAY OPEN IN CASE COUNSEL GOES PAST MIDNIGHT. LIKE, WE GOTTA GET STUFF DONE OR PUSH IT TO ANOTHER MEETING, PUSH IT TO A, PUSH IT TO A, A FUTURE MEETING WHERE IT'S ALREADY AGENDIZED. BUT COMING BACK ON TUESDAY AS A, AND THINKING YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE PUBLIC READY AND WILLING AND ABLE TO COME AND PARTICIPATE, UM, LET ALONE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO, WHO HAVE LIVES. UM, LIKE IT'S JUST NOT, NOT REALISTIC. COUNCIL MEMBER HEALEY. WELL, I GUESS ALTERNATIVELY, WE COULD, UM, HAVE THE HARD, UH, MIDNIGHT STOP AND THEN COME BACK THE FOLLOWING MONDAY, WHICH IS AN OFF MONDAY. WE DON'T HAVE CURRENTLY HAVE ANYTHING SCHEDULED FOR THAT DATE. AND, AND FINISH THE, FINISH THE ITEM AT THAT TIME. I JUST PUT THAT OUT THERE AS AN OPTION. SO, UM, SINCE I'M HEARING THE HARD STOP HAS AN ALTERNATE IDEA FOR IT, UM, AND LIKE TO TAKE A, A STRAW POLL AND, [00:50:01] AND, AND THE, THE TWO CHOICES ARE GONNA BE KEEP GOING UNTIL WE'RE DONE OR FIND ANOTHER SOLUTION AND, AND SOLUTION MIGHT BE A COUPLE DIFFERENT THINGS. SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THE QUICK SHOW OF HANDS WHO SAYS, UM, STAY UNTIL WE'RE DONE FROM THEN. SO THAT'S 1, 2, 3, 4, 4. SO, UM, IN CHANGING THIS MEETING, I'D LIKE THE SUGGESTION TO SUPPORT A COUNCIL ON A SUGGESTION THAT WE START AT FIVE 30, THAT WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING START AT SIX 30 AND THAT, UM, WE GO TILL WE FINISH. IS, IS THAT, UM, CAN WE, CAN WE SEE THAT THAT'S THE, THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, TAKE THIS AS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO BE A LEARNING EXPERIENCE? OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND, AND IF WE HAVE THAT KIND OF CRAFTED FOR REVISING THE TENTATIVE AGENDA HERE, THE MOTION WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS THE CONSENT CALENDAR WITH TENTATIVE AGENDA CHANGED AS SUGGESTED. COUNCIL MEMBER HEALEY, YOU LOOK LIKE YOU, YEAH. COULD WE VOTE ON ITEM TWO SEPARATELY, PLEASE? SEPARATE TWO. ITEM TWO IS PULLED. AND SO, UM, LET'S VOTE ON ITEMS 1, 3, 4, 5, AND SIX SO THAT WE GET EVERYBODY IN ON THIS VOTE. SOMEONE WANTS TO MAKE THAT MOTION. I'LL MOVE ITEMS ONE, UH, AND THREE THROUGH SEVEN ON THE EXCLUDING. SEVEN. EXCEEDING SEVEN, DENNIS EXCLUDING SEVEN. OKAY, SO THAT'S, WE HAVE, I'LL SECOND THAT WE HAVE MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND. WE HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE. AND CAN YOU REPEAT, WAS THAT NOW FOR THE SECOND OR CATER THOMPSON? THE, THE, THE SECOND THOMPSON. THE SECOND IS CATER THOMPSON. THANK YOU. BARNACLE? YES. CATER. THOMPSON? YES. HEALY? YES. NOW YES. POST. OKAY. YES. SHRIVES? YES. AND MCDONALD? YES. MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MAY I HAVE A MOTION FOR ITEM SEVEN WITH OPPOSED K ABSTAINING? I'LL MOVE ITEM SEVEN SECOND. AND HEALY IS THE SECOND MAYOR. UH, COULD I JUST INTERJECT REALLY QUICK? DID WE TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE CONSENT CALENDAR? YOU KNOW WHAT WE DO WITHOUT YOU? MY APOLOGIES. UM, WE SHOULD BE, UM, MOVING TO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE ENTIRETY OF THE CONSENT CALENDAR. AND, UM, AS WE START THIS, I'D LIKE TO ASK THE CLERK IF WE RECEIVED ANY ONLINE FOR THE CONSENT CALENDAR. NO PUBLIC COMMENT WAS RECEIVED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, AND IN HOUSE, IF ANYONE HAS A PUBLIC COMMENT HERE, WE'LL TAKE CARDS AT THE FRONT, NOT SEEING THAT THERE'S ANYONE RUSHING TO THE COUNTER. WE'LL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AND BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. AND WE HAD A MOTION FOR ITEM SEVEN. MOTION SECOND FOR ITEM SEVEN. AND WE'RE READY FOR A ROLL CALL. VOTE BARNACLE. YES. CATER THOMPSON. YES. HEALY? YES. NOW? YES. , RECUSED SHRIVES. YES. AND MCDONALD? YES. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BRINGING IT BACK TO, UM, ITEM TWO, COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT YOU WANTED TO MAKE OR YOU WANT TO, UH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY. SHOULD WE REMAKE THE MOTION ON ONE THREE THROUGH SIX ONE AND THREE THROUGH SIX? SORRY ABOUT THAT. UM, THERE'S NO ONE PRESENT IN CHAMBERS TOO THAT SEEMS TO WANT TO ADDRESS THAT. SO I I I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY, UM, UTILITY FROM DOING THAT, BUT I APPRECIATE BEING, BEING SENSITIVE TO THAT. ALRIGHT, I'LL MOVE, MOVE UNLESS THE COUNCIL WISHES, BUT I I DON'T THINK IT SERVES A PURPOSE. NO, THANK YOU. I'LL MOVE ITEM TWO WITH A FIVE 30 START TIME AND A SIX 30, UH, FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING. I'LL SECOND THAT SECOND BY THE VICE MAYOR. ROLL CALL. VOTE BARNACLE. YES. CATER THOMPSON? YES. HEALY? NO. NOW NO POST. OKAY. YES. REBS? YES. AND MCDONALD? YES. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND, UM, THAT CONCLUDES OUR CONSENT CALENDAR FOR THE EVENING, MOVING INTO, UH, [PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION] PUBLIC HEARINGS MATTER FOR CONSIDERATION. AND HERE WE ARE, UH, HAVING A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY'S STRATEGIC MASTER PLAN AND DIRECT STAFF TO PREPARE AN RFP FOR DESIGN AND PROJECT MANAGEMENT SERVICES FOR CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW FIRE STATION EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER. AND, UH, TO HELP US OUT WITH THIS TONIGHT, I'D LIKE TO ASK THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER BRIAN COCHRAN TO START THE CONVERSATION HERE. THANK YOU MAYOR, AND GOOD EVENING CITY COUNCIL. UM, YES, WE ARE HAPPY TO BE HERE TONIGHT TO PRESENT AN UPDATE ON THE, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES MASTER PLAN. AS THE COUNCIL'S AWARE, WE WERE BEFORE YOU, UH, [00:55:01] BACK IN JULY WITH AN INITIAL REVIEW OF THE DRAFT PLAN. WE HAD SOME GREAT, UH, COMMENTS RECEIVED FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE COMMUNITY ON SOME VARIOUS ASPECTS OF THAT PLAN. UH, SO WE'RE BACK BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, UH, WITH A MORE FINALIZED VERSION FOR YOU TO ACCEPT AS WELL AS TO PROVIDE US SOME DIRECTION ON THE NEXT STEPS FOR THE PLAN. SO TONIGHT WE WILL BE DISCUSSING BRIEFLY SOME BACKGROUND AND, UH, ORIGINS OF THIS PROJECT OVERALL, GIVEN OVERVIEW OF THE MASTER PLAN AND SOME OF THE FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAME OUTTA THAT PLAN. WE DID WANNA SPEND, UH, SOME TIME ON THE DIFFERENT COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED BACK IN JULY, AND THEN HOW THE STAFF AS WELL AS OUR CONSULTING ARCHITECTS, UH, ROB MANNS AND LAURA BLAKE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE STAFF IN THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS, UH, POLICE, FIRE, PUBLIC SAFETY, AND THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE TO RESPOND AS BEST WE COULD TO THOSE COMMENTS, KEEPING IN MIND, UH, SOME OF THE SPECIFIC, UH, OPERATIONAL CONSIDERATIONS AND, AND OTHER, UH, QUESTIONS AND THOUGHTS THAT WE HAD ABOUT HOW TO, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, CONSOLIDATE THE DESIGN INTO A SLIGHTLY SMALLER FOOTPRINT, MOVE SOME THINGS AROUND TO GET THE BEST, MOST, UH, OPERATIONALLY EFFICIENT FACILITY POSSIBLE. SO WE'LL GIVE YOU THOSE UPDATES IN TERMS OF HOW WE HAVE, UM, MODIFIED THE, THE RENDERINGS AND THE PLANNING SINCE YOU LAST SAW THEM. AND THEN FINALLY CONCLUDE WITH STATUS AND SOME NEXT STEPS IN TERMS OF, UM, MOVING THIS PROJECT FORWARD TO, UH, TO REALIZE THE VISION. SO, WANTED TO JUST TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND AND, UM, FRANKLY, WE PROBABLY COULD HAVE GONE BACK A FEW DECADES ON THE HISTORY OF OUR PUBLIC SAFETY RENOVATIONS AND FACILITY PLANNING, BUT WE WANTED TO JUST HIGHLIGHT THE LAST COUPLE YEARS ON HOW WE'VE GOTTEN TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY. SO WE'RE REALLY STARTING OFF BACK IN 2020 WHEN VOTERS APPROVE MEASURE U WITH A LONG LIST OF, UM, POTENTIAL GOALS FOR MEASURE U ONE OF THOSE SPECIFICALLY INCLUDING ENSURING THAT WE HAD EXCELLENT POLICE AND FIRE, UH, FACILITIES AS WELL AS OPERATIONS. CONTINUING OUR 24 7 9 1 1 RESPONSE, UH, TO OUR COMMUNITY. WE DID COME FORWARD WITH A GOALS UPDATE AS WELL AS, UH, AT THE TIME WHAT WE CALLED OUR MEASURE U IMPLEMENTATION PLAN. AND A KEY PART OF THAT DID INCLUDE, UH, ISSUING BONDS, BOTH FOR ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS, BUT ALSO FOR THE POTENTIAL CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW FIRE STATION OR REPLACEMENT OF OUR HISTORIC, UH, FIRE STATION NUMBER ONE DOWNTOWN. SO THAT BECAME A KEY CITY GOAL AND WE, UH, WE IMPLEMENTED THAT AS PART OF OUR, UM, MEASURE YOU PLAN. EXCUSE ME, BRIAN. OH YEAH, OUR TRANSLATORS HAVE THEIR HAND UP, SO I'M ASSUMING THEY'RE, I'M THINKING I SHOULD PROBABLY SLOW, SLOW DOWN, SLOW DOWN AND STOP BETWEEN SENTENCES. THANK YOU FOR THAT. SO MOVING INTO 2022, WE HAD A COUPLE DIFFERENT THINGS HAPPENING. THE FIRST IS THAT WE BROUGHT FORWARD THE LIST OF THE COUNCIL'S TOP 10 PRIORITIES. ONE OF THOSE PRIORITIES DID INCLUDE THE FIRE STATION AND THE BROADER, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES MASTER PLAN AS ONE OF THOSE TOP 10 PRIORITIES ONGOING DURING 2022. WE ALSO HAD OPERATIONAL ASSESSMENTS HAPPENING FOR BOTH OUR POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS, AND THOSE WERE CONDUCTED BY ANOTHER CONSULTANT, UH, CPSM. THE COUNCIL MAY, UH, RECALL SEEING THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM OUR POLICE AND FIRE CHIEFS BACK IN NOVEMBER OF 2022. THEN MOVING INTO 2023, WE HAD AN UPDATE OF OUR TOP 10 PRIORITIES, WHICH ACTUALLY WAS JUST AN INFORMATIONAL UPDATE. THE PRIORITIES STAYED THE SAME, WHICH MEANT THAT THE FIRE STATION AND THE PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES MASTER PLANNING PROCESS REMAINED ON THAT LIST AS ONE OF THOSE TOP 10 PRIORITIES. AND THEN OF COURSE, MOVING INTO THE SECOND QUARTER, ACTUALLY JULY OF THIS YEAR, AS I MENTIONED, WE HAD THE PRESENTATION PRESENTING THE INITIAL, UH, DRAFT RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE PLAN. AND NOW HERE WE SIT TODAY, UH, WITH A FINALIZED VERSION AS WELL AS, UM, SOME NEXT STEPS. SO WITH THAT KIND OF BACKGROUND OVER THE LAST, UH, THREE TO FOUR YEARS, I WAS GOING TO TURN IT OVER NOW TO ROB MANNS AND LAURA BLAKE, OUR CONSULTING ARCHITECTS, UH, TO TAKE THE COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY THROUGH THE REST OF THE PRESENTATION. WE DO HAVE A VARIETY OF REPRESENTATIVES FROM OUR OTHER DEPARTMENTS HERE AS WELL, UH, TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. THANKS BRIAN. THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW, THIS IS, UM, A MASTER PLAN TO COVER ALL YOUR PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES. IT INCLUDES A SERIES OF STEPS OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS. THE IMMEDIATE STEPS, WHICH ARE IN BEGINNING TO BE IN PROCESS NOW ARE THE FIRE STATION ONE [01:00:01] SEISMIC STRENGTHENING AN ALL GENDER RESTROOM EDITION AND AT THE POLICE STATION MODIFICATIONS TO THE EXISTING BUILDING TO IMPROVE THE LOCKERS, RESTROOM, FITNESS AND OFFICE SPACES. NEXT IN THE SHORT RANGE IS A NEW CENTRAL FIRE HEADQUARTERS AND EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER. KIND OF WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT IS IN THE MID-RANGE IS THE FIRE STATION ONE RENOVATION OR REPLACEMENT. AND IN THE LONGER RANGE, THE NEW POLICE STATION FIRE STATIONS TWO AND THREE RENOVATION OR REPLACEMENT, AND THEN A NEW PUBLIC SAFETY SUPPORT BUILDING FOR SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT. THE, THE, UM, OPERATIONS HAVE THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO BACK IN JULY, UM, WHEN WE PRESENTED, WE HEARD, UH, UH, SEVERAL COMMENTS REGARDING, UH, THE NEW PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES, UH, AT THE FAIRGROUNDS. FIRST OF ALL WAS TO CONFIRM THE SPECIFIC LOCATION AT THE FAIRGROUNDS THAT SEEMED MOST APPROPRIATE FOR THE FACILITY SHOW THE PHASE TWO POLICE STATION IN ADDITION TO THE PHASE ONE FIRE HEADQUARTERS AND EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER, AND CONFIRM THE CO-LOCATION. HAVING THOSE TWO THINGS ADJACENCIES, WHAT EFFICIENCIES WERE AFFORDED BY THAT. UH, THERE WAS A REQUEST TO REFINE THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER SCOPE, THE SIZE OF IT, AND WHAT IT INCLUDES, WHICH OF COURSE THEN IMPACTS THE COST. AND THE LAST COMMENT WAS TO CONSIDER A TWO OR THREE STORY BUILDINGS TO REDUCE THE FOOTPRINT, THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING AND THE SIZE OF THE SITE THAT IS NEEDED. AND WE'D LIKE TO REPORT BACK ON ALL THOSE ITEMS THIS EVENING. THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AND FIRST OF ALL, BEFORE WE GET INTO THE GRAPHICS, I JUST WANNA RE REMIND EVERYONE THAT THIS IS A MASTER PLANNING EFFORT AND WHAT WE'VE DEVELOPED TO DATE ARE REALLY TEST FISH TO SHOW HOW THE BUILDING NEEDS THAT WE WORKED WITH CITY STAFF TO UNDERSTAND AND DEVELOP AND PROJECT SO THAT THEY SERVE THE CITY WELL FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, CAN FIT ON THE SITE AND, UM, AND DEMONSTRATE THE FEASIBILITY OF THE PROJECT. THESE DIAGRAMS ARE NOT INTENDED TO BE A FINAL DESIGN, AND IT'S ASSUMED THAT ALTERNATIVES WILL BE STUDIED IN, IN SUBSEQUENT PHASES TO DETERMINE IF THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT AND SITE CAN BE FURTHER REDUCED THAN OUR INITIAL EFFORTS TO REDUCE IT IN THIS, IN THIS INITIAL MASTER PLANNING PHASE. SO HAVING SAID THAT, THE PROPOSED LOCATION FOR THE NEW FACILITY IS AT THE CORNER OF JOHNSON AND KENNELWORTH THAT INTERSECTION AT THE NORTHWEST END OF THE SITE. AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE THERE'S SYNERGY WITH NEARBY COMMUNITY SERVICES AND EASY TO INTEGRATE INTO THE AREA MASTER PLANNING THAT IS ONGOING. THIS PARTICULAR AREA OF THE FAIRGROUNDS HAS THE LEAST IMPACT ON CURRENT USES OF THE FAIRGROUNDS. IT ALSO PROVIDES GOOD EMERGENCY RESPONSE ACCESS AND EGRESS TO RESPOND TO EVENTS, AND IT FOSTERS COLLABORATION WITH THE PLANNED, THE CITY'S PLANNED RESILIENCY CENTER. THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THANK YOU. UM, THE, THIS IS A CLOSEUP VIEW OF THAT CORNER. YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE OF THE IMAGES, THE, THE LITTLE BIT OF THE SWIM SETTER TO ORIENT YOU. JOHNSON DRIVE ARE RUNNING VERTICALLY AND KENILWORTH DRIVE RUNNING HORIZONTALLY AND THE EXISTING AREA THAT SHOWS THAT IT IS MOSTLY A GRADED AREA AND SHOWING HOW THE NEW PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY COULD FIT INTO THAT LOCATION. THE FACILITY IS SHOWN HERE IS OCCUPYING ABOUT 4.8 ACRES OF THE 55 ACRE, UH, FAIRGROUNDS PARCEL. SO ABOUT 9% OF, OF THE OVERALL FAIRGROUNDS AREA. THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THE LOCATION WITH SOME INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS ON JOHNSTON DRIVE PROVIDES GOOD ACCESS AND QUICK ACCESS TO THE MAJOR ARTERIAL ROADWAYS NETWORK FOR EMERGENCY RESPONSE. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT YOU CAN, UH, CROSS WASHINGTON, EAST WASHINGTON, YOU CAN GO NORTH, YOU CAN GO SOUTH AND AND, AND INTO ALL THE VARIOUS NEIGHBORHOODS TO RESPOND TO EVENTS. THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT, THAT CAME UP, AND IT'S A GOOD ONE, AND IT'S ALWAYS ONE THAT, THAT, UM, IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FOR PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES THAN MAYBE SOME OTHER, UM, USES, IS HOW CAN YOU REDUCE THE FACILITY FOOTPRINT? UM, AND WHAT WE LOOKED AT ON THE ORIGINAL TEST FIT IS ON THE LEFT HAND [01:05:01] SIDE AND ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS A MORE COMPACT TEST THAT, THAT WE'VE DONE TO DATE. UM, AND WE LOOKED AT REDUCING THE NUMBER OF FUNCTIONS THAT COULD BE ON THE GROUND FLOOR AND ROB WILL GO INTO THAT MORE IN DETAIL WHILE MAINTAINING, UM, EMERGENCY RESPONSE, UM, CAPABILITIES AND NOT COMPROMISING THOSE. WE ALSO LOOKED AT REDUCING AND MAKING THE PARKING LOT MORE EFFICIENT SO THAT WE COULD REDUCE THE, THE AREA, UH, SHOWN AND OVERALL BETWEEN THESE TWO IMAGES, THE ORIGINAL LAYOUT AND THE CURRENT UPDATED MORE COMPACT LAYOUT, THAT'S ABOUT AN ACRE REDUCTION IN AREA. AND ROB, DO YOU WANNA WALK US THROUGH THAT MORE SPECIFICALLY? SURE, THANKS LAURA. UM, SO PART OF THE PROCESS IN REDUCING THIS PROGRAM, UM, I'LL TAKE YOU BACK, UH, A BIT IN TERMS OF HOW WE ARRIVED AT A PROGRAM. UM, THERE WAS SIGNIFICANT STAKEHOLDER INPUT, UM, WITH CITY MANAGEMENT, WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN TERMS OF IDENTIFYING WHAT THE NEEDS WERE, WHAT THOSE SPACE REQUIREMENTS WERE GOING TO BE AND HOW TO BENEFIT IN TERMS OF ELIMINATING REDUNDANCY, FINDING OPPORTUNITIES TO COLLABORATE, UH, GETTING OUT OF THOSE SILOED ENVIRONMENTS AND MAKING SURE THAT WE COULD OPTIMIZE THE QUANTITY AND TYPES OF SPACES THAT COULD BE SHARED. UH, SO PREVIOUSLY WHEN WE MET WITH EVERYONE AND PRESENTED OUR INITIAL FINDINGS OR THE DRAFT FINDINGS, IF YOU WILL, UM, WE WERE BASICALLY TAKING THAT PROGRAM AND, UH, HAVING NOT DESIGNED ANYTHING YET, BUT HAVING TAKEN THE PROGRAM, THE CHUNKS AND THE PIECES OF IT IN LARGER CONGLOMERATES, MEANING APPARATUS SPACE, BUNK ROOM AREAS, UH, PATROL ZONES, NOT NECESSARILY THE ROOMS THEMSELVES, BUT THE MAJOR COMPONENTS, LAYING THEM OUT ON THE SITE AND JUST FUNDAMENTALLY TEST FITTING THAT TO SEE HOW BIG MIGHT THIS BUILDING BE, HOW MIGHT IT BE ORIENTED, BUT NOT GETTING INTO THE GRANULAR LEVEL YET. UM, SO WHEN WE MET LAST TIME, WE TOOK THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED. WE THEN FURTHER VALIDATED THE PROGRAM BY GOING INTO WHAT LAURA PREVIOUSLY REFERRED TO AS A TEST FIT. AND THAT TEST FIT BASICALLY STARTS TO EXPLORE THAT GRANULAR LEVEL A LITTLE BIT MORE WHERE WE'RE GETTING INTO THE, UH, THE ANALYSIS OF HOW BIG THESE ROOMS ARE, WHERE THE EXACT RELATIONSHIP IS IN ORDER TO VALIDATE THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE REQUIREMENT AND BETTER VALIDATE WHAT ELEMENTS NEED TO BE WHERE THEY NEED TO BE IN TERMS OF MAINTAINING OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCY AND RELATIONSHIPS. UM, IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, IN THE INITIAL PROGRAM WE HAD SOME KEY SPACES THAT WERE INITIALLY OUTLINED TO BE ON THE GROUND FLOOR, SUCH AS, UM, THE TRAFFIC DIVISION, THE CERT DIVISION, UH, CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS DIVISION. AND HAVING HEARD THE COMMENTS PREVIOUSLY, WE REALLOCATED SOME OF THOSE SPACES. UM, WE CONDENSED THE FOOTPRINT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE IN, IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCY, WHICH I'LL, I'LL GO INTO IN A MOMENT. UM, AND CONDENSE THAT FOOTPRINT TO BASICALLY REDUCE THE SITE IMPACTS BY THE ACRE THAT LAR HAD PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED. SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT A PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY FACES, UM, IS THE PRIORITIZATION OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE ON THE GROUND FLOOR, WHAT IS ACTUALLY A SINGLE STORY VERSUS A STORY AND A HALF, OR STORY IN THREE QUARTERS VOLUME, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN A SECOND. AND PARTICULARLY AS IT RELATES TO FIRE DEPARTMENT. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS THE RESPONSE TIMES. UM, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT NFPA, UH, THERE'S PRESCRIBED RESPONSE TIMES IN TERMS OF WHEN THE DEPARTMENT MUST ARRIVE ON SCENE WITH THEIR UNITS. AND WHEN WE BACK OUT THAT TRAVEL DISTANCE, UM, THE ALERTING PROCEDURE, SO ON AND SO FORTH, WE ARE LEFT WITH ONLY SO MUCH TIME WITHIN THE BUILDING THAT OUR FIRST RESPONDERS CAN MOVE FROM WHERE THEY ARE TO THE APPARATUS AND REPORT AS, AS RESPONDING. AND SO NATURALLY SPACES LIKE BUNK ROOMS THAT REQUIRE THE FIREFIGHTERS TO, UM, MAYBE SPEND A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME WAKING UP AND GET MOVING VERSUS BEING IN THE, IN THE KITCHEN WHERE YOU'RE ALREADY ALERT, THOSE BUNK ROOM SPACES THEN THEREFORE REQUIRE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER PROXIMITY TO THE APPARATUS, UM, OR DESIRE MORE PROXIMITY, IF YOU WILL, IN ORDER TO REDUCE THOSE RESPONSE TIMES. THEN OF COURSE, WE HAVE OTHER PROGRAMMATIC ELEMENTS LIKE THE APPARATUS BAY WHERE THE ENGINES ARE BEING STORED OR, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE SPECIALIZED UNITS ON THE POLICE SIDE WHERE THE VEHICLES ARE BEING STORED THAT OBVIOUSLY NEED, UM, GROUND FLOOR ACCESS. UM, SEEMS THE REASON THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULDN'T TAKE A FIRE ENGINE OFF THE SECOND FLOOR. UM, OTHER ELEMENTS THAT MAY BE A LITTLE BIT LESS CONSPICUOUS TO, TO THOSE THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY FAMILIAR WITH THE PLANNING OF PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, LOCATING THINGS LIKE THE PATROL UNITS ON THE GROUND FLOOR WHERE THEY MAY BRING SOMEONE THAT'S DETAINED AND MAINTAINING APPROPRIATE SECURITY PROVISIONS. SO WHEN [01:10:01] WE WENT AND WE, UH, STARTED REALLY TEST FITTING THIS PROGRAM, WE, WE HEARD WHAT COUNCIL HAD TO SAY, WE STROVE TO DEVELOP A SOLUTION THAT OPTIMIZED THE VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION OF THIS FACILITY, AS WELL AS PRESERVING THE SECURITY AND THE SAFETY OF THE SITE DESIGN AND INTERNAL FUNCTIONS, AND LOOKING AT WAYS TO ORGANIZE THE BUILDING IN A MANNER THAT, UM, LIMITED THE AMOUNT OF SPRAWL, IF YOU WILL, UH, A HORIZONTAL SPRAWL ON THE SITE. IT'S PROBABLY OF IMPORTANCE TO NOTE THAT THE APPARATUS BASE THAT ARE SHOWN ON THE, ON THE GROUND LEVEL HERE IN, UH, THE RED COLOR AND THE TOP RIGHT, UH, PORTION OF THE SEA, IF YOU WILL, WHERE YOU SEE ALL THE VEHICLES IN THE POLICE, THOSE ARE CONSIDERED HIGH BASE SPACES. SO WHILE THERE'S ONLY A SINGLE FLOOR SHOWN IN PLAN, THOSE ARE ACTUALLY ABOUT ONE IN THREE QUARTERS STORIES TALL. UM, SO IN, IN THAT REGARD, WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE VERTICAL SPACE. WE'VE FURTHER COMPRESSED THE EVIDENCE STORAGE IN THOSE ENVIRONMENTS BY TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT VERTICAL SPACE TO USE HIGHER SHELVING IN THOSE ENVIRONMENTS TO KIND OF REDUCE THAT HORIZONTAL IMPACT. SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE WERE ABLE TO MOVE ROUGHLY 6,800 SQUARE FEET, I BELIEVE, OF PROGRAM SPACE THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY ALLOCATED TO THE GROUND FLOOR, TO THE UPPER LEVEL, AND WE WERE ABLE TO CREATE SOME FURTHER REDUCTIONS OF ABOUT A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET IN, UM, EVIDENCE STORAGE, WHICH YIELDED A TOTAL, UH, FOOTPRINT, UM, ON THE GROUND FLOOR OF ABOUT 50,200 SQUARE FEET, WHICH WAS A, YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY A 7,000 TO 8,000 SQUARE FOOT REDUCTION OVERALL. UM, SO ON THE RIGHT, AS YOU LOOK AT THE, THE, THE SECOND FLOOR PLAN, IF YOU WILL, THERE'S SPACE ON THE NORTH FOR SOME ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT, AND WE COULD TALK ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF SECURITY PROVISIONS OF HAVING ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY ACCESSIBLE TO, UH, PUBLIC TAMPERING. UM, BUT THE, THE HORIZONTAL ELEMENTS, THE CSS THAT SHOW NON-PROGRAM SPACE, THOSE ARE ACTUALLY TWO STORY VOLUMES THAT ALIGN OVER THAT. AND THE NEXT COUPLE SLIDES THAT WE'LL SEE, UM, IF YOU WANT ME TO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, KIND OF SHOW THE MASSING OF HOW THESE SPACES MIGHT COME TOGETHER. UM, BASICALLY WE'VE, I FEEL LIKE WE'VE OPTIMIZED THAT TWO STORY ENVIRONMENT WHERE THE APPARATUS, AGAIN, IS ROUGHLY THAT ONE AND THREE QUARTER STORY ENVIRONMENT. THE EOC, WHICH SITS AT ABOUT 4,800 SQUARE FEET SITS OVER THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE IT'S DOES NOT REQUIRE THOSE RESPONSE TIMES TO THE APPARATUS BAY. THAT PURPLISH COLOR IS THE CENTRAL SHARED ACCESS POINT, WHICH, UH, APPROPRIATELY LINKS AND SEPARATES POLICE FROM FIRE. UM, AND THEN TO THE PLAN NORTH, THERE YOU SEE THE TWO STORY POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHICH CONSISTS OF COMMAND ON THE SECOND LEVEL INVESTIGATIONS, TRAFFIC, THE NINE ONE ONE CALL CENTER. UM, AND THEN ON THE LOWER LEVEL IS MORE OF ALL OF THE GROUND FLOOR OPERATIONAL STUFF THAT, THAT KIND OF REQUIRES THAT AS WE GO THROUGH SOME OF THE NEXT SLIDES, MAYBE, UH, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT CLIP, IT SHOWS THAT THE BUILDING ITSELF IS CREATING A SECURE ENVIRONMENT, UM, AND CREATING AN OPTIMAL EFFICIENCY IN TERMS OF HOW THAT SECURE PARKING FLOWS. UM, THE BUILDING, IF YOU WILL, CREATES A, A SHROUD OR A SHIELD, UM, FOR THE SECURE ENVIRONMENT WHERE PATROL CARS, CIVILIAN STAFF, UM, AND FIRST RESPONDERS WILL PARK NOT ONLY THEIR DEPARTMENT ISSUED VEHICLES, BUT ALSO THEIR PERSONALLY OWNED VEHICLES DURING SHIFT CHANGE. UM, AND WE AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING THE SPIRIT OF SUSTAINABILITY, WE ALSO STROVE TO, UM, IMPACT SINCE THE LAST VERSION AND, UM, INTEGRATE SOME SOLAR PANELS AND THEN FROM THE JOHNSON DRIVE APPROACH, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT REALLY GETTING INTO THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN AT THIS POINT, PER SE, UM, BUT JUST KIND OF SUGGESTING THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOME SEPARATION FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY FOR SECURITY PURPOSES. AND OBVIOUSLY DEPENDING ON THE MASTER PLANNING, UM, OBJECTIVES FOR THE ENTIRE SITE, SOMETHING LIKE JOHNSON DRIVE COULD BE RE-ENVISIONED. UM, WE HAD, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSED MAYBE SOME, SOME TRAFFIC INVESTIGATIONS THERE AS WELL, BUT THAT BUFFER THAT SEPARATES JOHNSON DRIVE FROM THE VISITOR PARKING LOT COULD CERTAINLY BE SOMETHING THAT IS INTEGRATED INTO MORE OF A, UH, PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED OR FRIENDLY TYPE ENVIRONMENT. SO THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY THERE, AND AS LAURA PREVIOUSLY SUGGESTED, UM, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT PHASE WOULD BE FOR THE RFP AND THE ARCHITECT OF RECORD THAT IS SELECTED TO TAKE THIS PROJECT FURTHER, TO GET INTO THE WEEDS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AND EXPLORE, UM, NUMEROUS ALTERNATIVES AS TO TO HOW, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT FIND MORE EFFICIENCY AND EFFECTIVENESS OUT OF THIS PARTICULAR VENTURE. AND I THINK THAT THAT TAKES US TO OUR COST ESTIMATES. UM, JUST FUNDAMENTALLY IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE STAND, THE FIRE STATION ONE IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH CONSISTS PREDOMINANTLY OF FEMALE FACILITY UPGRADES AND SEISMIC STRENGTHENING, UH, WOULD BE THE, THE FIRST ON THE LIST. AND THEN THE POLICE STATION IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH LARGELY ADDRESS THE IMMEDIATE OVERCROWDING ISSUES THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS FACING, AS WELL AS PROVIDING SOME MUCH NEEDED FACILITIES THAT WOULD SUPPORT, UH, RECRUITMENT RETENTION SUCH AS FITNESS CENTERS, OFFICE SPACE. UM, [01:15:01] RIGHT NOW, UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRETTY JAMMED UP IN SPACES THAT ONCE SERVED AS CLOSETS, WHICH WE, UH, IS OBVIOUSLY, UH, A BIT OF A CHALLENGE AND PRETTY CLEARLY ARTICULATED IN THE REPORT. AND THEN, UM, THE, THE MAJOR EFFORT AS, UH, LAURA POINTED OUT IN TERMS OF THE, THE SHORTER RANGE, UM, WOULD BE TO START THE PLANNING, WHICH CONSISTS OF THE ENTITLEMENTS, THE DESIGN, THE SOLICITATION, WHICH IS I THINK IS THE, THE RESOLUTION FOR THIS EVENING FOR THE EOC AND EIGHT, UH, FIRE HEADQUARTERS. AND THEN BEYOND THAT, A LITTLE BIT LONGER RANGE, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE ADDITIONAL STUDY TO GET MORE DEFINITIVE COSTS WOULD BE FIRE STATION ONE, WHETHER THAT CONSISTS OF A MAJOR RENOVATION OR REPLACEMENT OR RE I'M SORRY, MAJOR RENOVATION OR RELOCATION. UM, THE NEW POLICE STATION, WHICH WOULD SERVE AS THE SECOND PHASE TO THE FIRE HEADQUARTERS AND THE EOC, UH, THE REPLACEMENT OR RENOVATION OF FIRE STATION ONE AND OR THREE. AND THEN, AS LAURA PREVIOUSLY STATED, THE PUBLIC SAFETY SUPPORT BUILDING, WHICH WAS LARGELY GEARED TOWARDS STORAGE OF, UH, LARGER FORMATS OF EVIDENCE AND OTHER ANCILLARY VEHICLES THAT THE DEPARTMENT USED. UH, THE NEXT SLIDE, OR I BELIEVE, WHICH I BELIEVE IS OUR LAST, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE CURRENTLY STAND OR OR WHERE THE CITY AT LARGE STANDS. AND I THINK YOU KNOW, BRIAN AND, UH, THE, THE FIRE REPRESENTATIVES AND POLICE REPRESENTATIVES COULD SPEAK ON THIS IS THE OPERATIONAL AND NEEDS ASSESSMENT HAS BEEN COMPLETED FOR ALL FACILITIES. UM, WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA COLLECTIVELY OF WHAT EVERY FIRE STATION AND, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY WITHIN THE CITY IS GOING TO REQUIRE FOR THE NEXT FORESEEABLE FUTURE, NEXT 25 OR SO YEARS, THAT MASTER PLAN HAS BEEN UPDATED AND THE PROGRAMS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED. THE FIRE STATION ONE AND POLICE STATION IMPROVEMENTS, UM, THE FIRE STATION ONE STRENGTHENING AND THE POLICE STATION IMPROVEMENTS ARE SO ANTICIPATED TO START DESIGN SOON WITH ANTICIPATED CONSTRUCTION IN 2025. AND THE NEXT CRITICAL STEPS WOULD BE TO START THE ENTITLEMENT PROCESS FOR THE FIRE HEADQUARTERS AND THE EMERGENCY OPERATION CENTER, DEVELOP AN RFP FOR THE SOLICITATION OF ARCHITECTURAL AND ENGINEERING SERVICES ASSOCIATED WITH THE, THE HEADQUARTERS IN EOC, AND THEN DETERMINE THE BOND ISSUANCE DATE ASSOCIATED WITH THE, UH, THE SCHEDULE. SO THAT KIND OF IS THE SYNOPSIS. LAURA, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO ANCHOR WITH? I THINK THAT THAT GIVES THE OVERVIEW THAT WE HOPE TO GIVE THIS EVENING. THANK YOU, ROB AND LAURA. AND I JUST WANTED TO CONCLUDE BY MENTIONING THE RESOLUTION. ROB TOUCHED ON IT BRIEFLY, BUT WE ARE ASKING THE COUNCIL TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION, UM, THAT WOULD ACCEPT THE REPORT, UH, AS PRESENTED. UH, IT WOULD CONFIRM THE LOCATION AS BEING THAT, UH, FAIRGROUNDS LOCATION THAT YOU SAW IN THE RENDERINGS EARLIER. IT WOULD ACKNOWLEDGE, ALTHOUGH THIS IS NOT A SPECIFIC BUDGET ACTION TONIGHT, JUST WHERE ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THE, UH, THE EXISTING CIP BUDGET OF 27 MILLION CLEARLY IS NOT GONNA BE SUFFICIENT FOR THAT FIRE STATION AND EOC. SO ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THAT IS GONNA BE CLOSER TO A $40 MILLION PROJECT AND THEN DIRECTING, EXCUSE ME, DIRECTING STAFF TO, UH, DEVELOP THAT RFP TO SOLICIT FOUR DESIGN SERVICES. AND AS WELL, WE ARE RECOMMENDING SOME PROJECT MANAGEMENT SERVICES TO HELP CONTINUE GUIDING THIS PROJECT FORWARD. SO THANK YOU AND STAFF ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. UH, LET'S START UP HERE WITH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY. THANK YOU. UM, COULD YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE PLEASE? SO I GUESS I WAS HOPING TONIGHT FOR A MORE ROBUST EXPLANATION OF THE TOTAL COST OF THIS PROGRAM AND HOW WE CAN EXPECT TO PAY FOR IT. AND I SEE A LOT OF TBDS IN THERE WITH SIGNIFICANT SQUARE FOOTAGE ASSIGNED. COULD, COULD SOMEONE, WOULD SOMEONE BE WILLING TO ACTUALLY TAKE A, A GUESS AT WHAT THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS FOR ALL THOSE TBDS TAKEN TOGETHER MIGHT BE? LAURA, DID YOU WANT ME TO FEEL THAT OR BRIAN OR, SO I, I COULD START BY JUST MENTIONING, AND ACTUALLY I, I FAILED TO MENTION THIS AT THE BEGINNING, SO LET ME UH, SAY IT HERE. UH, WE DID NOTICE A, UM, AN ACCIDENTAL OMISSION IN THE, UH, ONLINE REPORT THAT INITIALLY GOT POSTED WITH THIS AGENDA ITEM. IT DID NOT INCLUDE SEVERAL EXHIBITS THAT, UH, WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN ATTACHED. THOSE DID GET UPLOADED THIS AFTERNOON. ONE OF THOSE EXHIBITS, I BELIEVE IT'S EXHIBIT NUMBER SIX, DOES HAVE THE MORE DETAILED COSTING FOR EACH OF THESE PROJECTS. SO THAT IS AVAILABLE. UM, I THINK PART OF CAN YOU JUST, CAN YOU JUST TELL US WHAT IT IS? ASSUME WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT. YEAH. ROB, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THAT HANDY TO JUST RATTLE THOSE OFF. I KNOW PART OF THE, PART OF THE CONCERN OF PUTTING ALL OF THOSE ON THE SLIDE IS THAT THE, BECAUSE THE DATES ARE TBD AT THIS POINT, AND THEY PROBABLY WILL REMAIN TBD FOR A WHILE. THE COSTS ARE GONNA BE PARTIALLY DEPENDENT ON HOW MANY YEARS OUT INTO THE FUTURE THOSE ARE BUILT JUST BASED ON OVERALL CONSTRUCTION ESCALATION. OKAY. BUT LET'S JUST SAY WE'RE TALKING 20, $25. WHAT, WHAT'S THE TOTAL ON THOSE? YEAH, SO ROB, DID YOU WANT TO TRY TO GO THROUGH THAT? SURE. UM, IT'S [01:20:01] A, IT'S, IT IS A COMPLICATED ANSWER AS BRIAN POINTED OUT, BECAUSE IT LARGELY DEPENDS ON WHEN THINGS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN AND PROJECTED ESCALATION RATES. UM, THIS IS A LONGER RANGE CAPITAL, BOB, IF YOU COULD DO IT IN TODAY'S DOLLARS, I THINK WAS WHAT THE REQUEST WAS. WELL, TODAY'S DOLLARS, I THINK, WELL, THE PART OF THE CHALLENGE IS THAT EXHIBIT SEVEN LOOKS AT, UM, WHAT THEY WOULD BE ESCALATED OUT BASED ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROCESS, RIGHT? SO WE'RE LOOKING AT AN AVERAGE RATE OF 5% PER YEAR. UM, I DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS HANDY. I WILL HAVE THEM MOMENTARILY. LET ME DIG THEM UP AND I'LL COME BACK TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. I HAVE THE LONG RANGE PROJECTED OF WHAT THESE THINGS MIGHT COST IN THE YEAR, UH, 2034. BUT IF WE LOOK AT, AND WE HAVE, WE HAVE THE CLOSER PROJECTIONS OF THE MORE IMMEDIATE SPACES. SO JUST GIMME A SECOND TO PULL THAT INFORMATION. BUT I'LL SLOW DOWN. THAT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT FOR THE INTERPRETATION. WE HAVE A REQUEST FOR THAT. THAT'S FINE. PLEASE, PLEASE LOOK FOR IT. UM, BUT WHAT I'M LEADING TO, WHAT MY ULTIMATE QUESTION HERE IS HOW MUCH CAN OF, OF THIS CAN WE AFFORD TO PAY FOR? AND YOU KNOW, WE KNOW WE HAVE MEASURE U WE THINK THAT WE, OUR SECOND BOND ISSUANCE MAY BE BIGGER THAN WE INITIALLY THOUGHT. UM, THE FIRE TAX COUNTYWIDE MEASURE, UM, FOR MARCH IS LIKELY TO PASS, AND THAT'LL PROVIDE CERTAIN MONEY. BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M, I, I, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NOTHING BEFORE ME THAT LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THAT THOSE SOURCES TAKEN TOGETHER WILL BE SUFFICIENT TO COVER THIS LIST. AND I'M WONDERING IF WE'RE, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, A, A CADILLAC WISHLIST AND THE ABILITY TO AFFORD, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A HONDA CIVIC. UM, AND, AND I DON'T HAVE A COMFORT LEVEL WITH, WITH THAT, WITH, WITH A LEVEL OF WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE ON THIS SO FAR. SO I HAVE THAT INFORMATION NOW. THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. AND JUST TO, TO RUN THROUGH THOSE FIRST THREE FACILITIES, THAT REALLY IS THE, THE, UH, THE, THE NUT THAT WE THINK WE CAN CRACK RIGHT NOW. SO THERE ARE SEVERAL DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES THAT WE'LL ALL BE COMBINING TOGETHER ON THIS PROJECT. UH, WE DO HAVE ABOUT $5 MILLION IN, UH, CITY FACILITIES IMPACT FEES THAT WE CAN APPLY TO THE PROJECT. WE DID AN INITIAL ESTIMATE OF THE BOND ISSUANCE, AS YOU MENTIONED. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER HEALEY, WE DO BELIEVE THAT'S GONNA BE, UH, THERE WILL BE MORE AVAILABLE THERE. UH, WE'VE PUT OUT KIND OF BALLPARK 40 MILLION, UH, BUT THAT COULD BE VERY MUCH PLUS OR MINUS DEPENDING ON INTEREST RATES, DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, A VARIETY OF THINGS THAT ARE OUT OF OUR CONTROL. UH, THE FIRE FACILITIES, OR EXCUSE ME, THE FIRE TAX, IF THAT PASSES, WILL PROVIDE, I BELIEVE A DEDICATED $1 MILLION ANNUALLY TO, TO SERVICE DEBT ON THIS PROJECT, WHICH, YOU KNOW, COULD YIELD US ANOTHER 15 TO 20 MILLION IN BONDING CAPACITY IF WE NEEDED IT. UM, AND THEN WE MAY ALSO HAVE FUTURE GRANT OPPORTUNITIES. THOSE ARE SOMETIMES AVAILABLE. UM, WE, WE WERE SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING A POTENTIAL FEDERAL APPROPRIATION FOR A PART OF THE EOC PROJECT, UM, THROUGH, THROUGH, UH, JARED HUFFMAN'S OFFICE. SO THERE ARE A VARIETY THAT ARE ALL COMING TOGETHER TO, TO FORM THE FUNDING MATRIX FOR THIS PROJECT. BUT I DO BELIEVE, AT LEAST AS WE SIT RIGHT NOW, THOSE FIRST THREE ON THE LIST, THE FIRE STATION ONE IMPROVEMENTS, THE POLICE STATION IMPROVEMENT PROJECT, AND THE FIRE HEADQUARTERS AND EOC, WE DO HAVE, UH, IDENTIFIED FUNDING FOR THOSE. NOW, EVERYTHING LISTED AS TBD BELOW THOSE WOULD BE DEPENDENT ON IDENTIFYING FUTURE FUNDING SOURCES, UH, INCLUDING THE NEW POLICE STATION, WHICH WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE COUNTY, UM, TAX MEASURE DOLLARS. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. WELL, I APPRECIATE THAT. AND I, IT, IT, I HAVE THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE, BRIAN, SO THAT IS EXHIBIT SIX, UM, IN THE REPORT. AND THAT IDENTIFIES, AS BRIAN JUST POINTED OUT, WE'VE GOT THE IMMEDIATE COSTS KIND OF IDENTIFIED, AND THEN WE'VE GOT SOME LONGER RANGE COSTS, WHICH WOULD BE THE REPLACE, WHICH WE'RE ANTICIPATING TO BE THE REPLACEMENT OR MAJOR RENOVATION OF FIRE STATION ONE. AND WHEN I SAY REPLACEMENT, THAT MEANS JUST RELOCATION, UM, AND THE POLICE STATION. WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO SHARE SCREEN? SURE, I COULD DO THAT. UM, STANDBY, UH, IF I HAVE, I THOUGHT FIRE STATION ONE WAS GONNA BE UPGRADED WHERE IT SITS NOT MOVED. UH, THE, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IN LAURA, IF YOU WANNA SPEAK TO, UM, THE SEA RISE. SO, UM, WE INITIALLY WERE IN JULY THAT THAT FIRE STATION ONE COULD BE, UM, RENOVATED IN PLACE. IT NEEDS SEISMIC WORK, AS YOU KNOW, IT NEEDS OTHER ENHANCEMENTS AND A FULL UPGRADE TO MEET MODERN OPERAT OPERATIONS. WHAT WE LEARNED RECENTLY, AND THIS IS NOT INCORPORATED IN THE NUMBERS, THE COST NUMBERS THAT, UM, THAT ROB IS GOING TO SHARE IS THAT IT IS LOCATE FIRE STATION ONE IS LOCATED IN THE SEA RISE, UH, ZONE. AND THE CHALLENGE THERE IS THAT TYPICALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A FIRE STATION IN A SEA RISE ZONE, ALL THE PEOPLE SPACE IS ON THE SECOND FLOOR [01:25:01] VERSUS THE FIRST FLOOR. THE EXISTING FIRE STATION ONE HAS PEOPLE SPACES ON THE FIRST FLOOR. SO THAT OUR RECOMMENDATION IS A NEXT STEP FOR FIRE STATION ONE WOULD BE TO STUDY THAT ISSUE IN MORE DETAIL, DETERMINE IF IT'S VIABLE TO RENOVATE THE EXISTING FIRE STATION, OR MORE COST EFFECTIVE TO BUILD A NEW ONE. SO THE OLD CASA GRANDE MOTEL SITE IS STILL IN PLAY FOR FIRE STATION ONE. IS THAT POSSIBLY WHAT I'M HEARING HERE IS THAT 3 0 7 PETALUMA BOULEVARD? YEAH, I THINK SO, YES. SORRY, I DIDN'T KNOW IT BY THAT NAME. YEAH, WELL, SORRY, I'M AN OLD TIMER. UM, SO, SO TO GET BACK TO THE SHARED SCREEN HERE, THE, THERE ARE FOUR SHEETS INCLUDED WITHIN EXHIBIT SIX, STARTING WITH THE PRELIMINARY COST. AND, UH, IT PROBABLY BEHOOVES ME TO WALK THROUGH THIS IN A LITTLE BIT DETAIL HERE, STARTING WITH THE COST OF THE EOC ELEMENTS IN, EXCUSE MY SQUIGGLY MOUSE IN 2020 $3, RIGHT? SO WE CAN USE HISTORIC DATA TO KNOW WHAT THIS WOULD COST IF WE BID THIS. AND WE WERE DESIGN READY TODAY TO GO TO CONSTRUCTION. UNFORTUNATELY, WE DON'T HAVE THE CRYSTAL BALL TO KNOW HOW LONG THAT TAKES. SO WHAT WE DO IS, UH, OR WHAT ANY RESPONSIBLE PLANNER WOULD DO IS TAKE ANTICIPATE WHAT THE MIDPOINT OF ES UH, CONSTRUCTION WOULD BE, WHICH WOULD BE TWO YEARS FROM THE DATE OF ISSUANCE, AND THEN ASSUME AN ECONOMIC ESCALATION FACTOR OF FOUR POINT HALF PERCENT, WHICH IS TYPICALLY THE TREND. UM, WE'VE HAD SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT SPIKES, UH, ABOUT A YEAR AGO, BUT SEEING SEEM TO BE LEVELED AT ABOUT 2% NOW. SO, YOU KNOW, BEING CONSERVATIVE, YOU TAKE THIS NUMBER AND YOU TACK YOUR COSTS ON AT THIS POINT TO SAY THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS WOULD BE ABOUT 6.3. UM, THE FIRE STATION HEADQUARTERS, AGAIN, SAME EXERCISE, 27 MILLION, ANTICIPATING AN ADDITIONAL TWO AND A HALF FOR ESCALATION YIELDS THE 30.3 MILLION. AND THEN MOVING INTO PLANNING FOR FIRE STATION ONE, YOU'LL SEE THAT WHAT REALLY STARTS TO CHANGE WITH THIS AS WE GO THROUGH THESE PROJECTS IS NOW JUST FOR PLANNING PURPOSES AND BUDGET PURPOSES. AS, AS BRIAN POINTED OUT, NOT HAVING A DEFINITIVE TIMEFRAME AT THIS POINT AS TO WHEN THESE GO TO CONSTRUCTION, WE'RE MAKING SOME LARGER ASSUMPTIONS AT THIS POINT. SO, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT THE 10,000 SQUARE FEET THAT IS NECESSARY TO HOUSE FIRE STATION ONE WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 14.5 MILLION. HOWEVER, NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT APPROXIMATELY FIVE YEARS AT THAT ESCALATION RATE, WHICH TAX ON AN EXTRA THREE AND A HALF MILLION AND BRINGS THE TOTAL UP TO 18. SO, YOU KNOW, COMPOUNDING INTEREST IS GREAT IN YOUR 4 0 1 K AND YOUR IRA, IT'S NOT SO FRIENDLY IN CONSTRUCTION. MOVING TO THE POLICE STATION AT ROUGHLY 40,000 SQUARE FEET, WE WOULD ANTICIPATE, GIVEN HISTORICAL DATA THAT YOU'RE PROBABLY AT ABOUT 50 MILLION FOR THAT, UM, EFFORT IN TERMS OF 2020 $3. BUT THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT NOW WE'RE TRYING TO GUESS OUT ABOUT 10 TO 11 YEARS, WHICH COMES WITH THE SIGNIFICANT IMPACT OF 31 YIELDING A LONGER RANGE PLAN OF 81. SO CIRCLING THAT COMMENT BACK TO, TO BRIAN'S POINT IS, YOU KNOW, THAT NUMBER COMES DOWN SUBSTANTIALLY. THE THE SOONER WE CAN DO IT AND THE SOONER WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SECURE FUNDS TO, UM, DIGEST THAT. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, SHIFTING GEARS A LITTLE BIT, UM, I NOTICED WE'RE GONNA BE, UM, TAKING QUITE A FEW PARKING SPACES FROM THE FAIRGROUNDS, UM, SITE THAT ARE USED AT THE TIME OF THE FAIRGROUNDS. CAN YOU TELL US HOW MANY PARKING SPACES WILL BE LOST FOR THE FAIR THAT WE DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER ON? SO YOU HAVEN'T ANALYZED HOW THE LOSS OF FAIR PARKING IMPACTS THE VIABILITY OF OUR ANNUAL FARE. I'LL, I'M TOTALING THAT RIGHT NOW. STANDBY. I THINK, I THINK WE CAN SAY THAT THE, WHAT'S TYPICALLY KNOWN AS LOT B ON THE FAIRGROUNDS IS WHAT, ONCE THE FULL BUILD OUT OCCURS WITH THE POLICE STATION, IF THAT WERE TO OCCUR, THAT WOULD TAKE OUT ALL OF LOT B AND I THINK ROB CAN PROBABLY TALLY UP HOW MANY SPACES. BUT IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO REALIZE THAT IN THE NEAR TERM, WHILE THE, UH, FIRE AND FIRE STATION AND EOC WILL BE CONSTRUCTED WITH THEIR, UH, ASSOCIATED PARKING, THAT DOES LEAVE A PORTION OF THAT OVERALL ACREAGE THAT WE'RE IDENTIFYING FOR THE SITE AS UNDEVELOPED UNTIL THE POLICE. IT, IT DOES, BUT IT'S KIND OF CHOPPED OFF FROM THE REST OF THE PARKING LOT. IT BIT BECAUSE OF, OF THE WAY THAT THE POLICE AND [01:30:01] FIRE FACILITIES ARE PROJECTED TO BE PLACED THERE. UH, YEAH, I TOTALLY AGREE THERE, BUT THERE MAY BE SOME ANCILLARY USES THAT WE CAN PUT OVER ON THAT SIDE, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S, YOU KNOW, I, I'D JUST BE CURIOUS TO KNOW HOW MANY SPACES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. IT'S, IT'S ABOUT 175 PAVED AND STRIPED SPACES. THANK YOU. THAT'S IT FOR ME FOR QUESTIONS. I HAVE COMMENTS FOR LATER. OKAY. AND ANYONE ELSE WITH THE QUESTIONS? COUNCIL MEMBER SHRI? UM, ONE, ONE WAS MENTIONED, UH, GOING OUT 25 YEARS THAT THIS WOULD SERVE FOR, FOR ABOUT 25 YEARS. I THINK I WAS WHAT I HEARD. UM, BUT I THINK I, WE NEED TO START THINKING LONGER TERM AND LOOKING AT THE GROWTH OF OUR CITY. RIGHT NOW, WE'RE A LITTLE OVER 60,000 AND, UH, AT A GROWTH RATE OF ABOUT 10,000 PEOPLE PER YEAR. THAT'S WHAT IT'S BEEN OVER THE LAST ABOUT THREE YEARS. IF THAT CONTINUES ON AND WE HIT A HUNDRED K BY 2100, UM, WILL THIS FACILITIES BOTH POLICE, ASSUMING WE GET THIS ALL DONE, IS IT GOING TO BE ADEQUATE TO MEET THOSE FUTURE NEEDS? OR DO WE NEED TO START THINKING ABOUT SPACES THAT, THAT SAVING SPACES FOR SATELLITE SITES 50 YEARS FROM NOW THAT WE NEED TO SAVE FOR, FOR THE FUTURE GROWTH OF THE POPULATION HERE? UM, HOW FAR OUT ARE WE GOING? AND, UM, AND THEN HOW MANY PEOPLE TOTAL THE FIRE AND THE POLICE? LET ME GET TO THAT SECOND. LET'S ANSWER THAT ONE FIRST AND I'LL GET TO THE NEXT ONE. THAT'S A FANTASTIC QUESTION. SO, UH, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IS THAT THIS STRATEGIC FACILITY'S PLAN IS INTENDED TO ADDRESS THIS, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS WE CAN SEE AT THIS JUNCTURE, UM, ANY STRATEGIC MASTER PLAN OBVIOUSLY SHOULD BE UPDATED AS CONDITIONS CHANGE AND TIMES WARRANT. UM, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY RECOMMENDED WITHIN THERE, BUT YOUR POINT ABOUT SATELLITES IS, IS WELL TAKEN. SO GENERALLY SPEAKING, THIS HEADQUARTERS FACILITY WOULD BE DEVELOPED TO SERVE THE HEADQUARTERS ITSELF WOULD BE DEVELOPED TO SERVE THE CITY WELL FOR THE NEXT 50 YEARS. UM, AS THE CITY POTENTIALLY EXPERIENCES THE GROWTH THAT YOU ARE DESCRIBING, IT'S PRESUMED THAT THOSE TYPES OF CALLS AND THOSE CHALLENGES AND WHERE THOSE CALLS FOR SERVICE SERVICES WOULD OCCUR WOULD BE LARGELY DRIVEN BY THE TYPE OF ZONING THAT THE CITY IMPLEMENTS IN TERMS OF WHETHER YOU'RE GETTING INTO, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN MID-RISE CONSTRUCTION, WHETHER IT CONTINUES TO DEVELOP IN A HORIZONTAL SETTING. UM, WHAT TYPES OF TRAFFIC SITUATIONS START TO DEVELOP. AND BASED UPON THAT, PARTICULARLY FROM THE FIRE STATION STANDPOINT, UM, YOU KNOW, AND AND CHIEF SCHAEF MAY BE ABLE TO COMMENT ON THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFECTIVELY THAN I CAN AS AS THE CHIEF. BUT AT THAT JUNCTURE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU STARTED TO SEE RESPONSE TIMES INHIBITED, WHICH ARE BEYOND THE PROJECTED PURVIEW OF THE 25 YEARS, YOU MAY BE LOOKING AT, OKAY, HEY, WE PROBABLY NEED TO THINK OF A SUBSTATION SOMEWHERE IN ORDER TO KEEP THOSE RESPONSE TIMES IN CHECK. BUT AT THIS TIME, WITH ALL OF THE DATA THAT'S BEEN COLLECTED AND IS AVAILABLE, THAT'S NOT ON THE IMMEDIATE HORIZON IN TERMS OF 20 YEARS OF BEING ABLE TO RESPOND TO. SO I GUESS WHAT I WOULD SAY IN SUMMARY IS THAT THIS WOULD BE THE HEADQUARTERS FACILITY IN TERMS OF ITS LOCATION WOULD BE THE RIGHT MOVE FOR THE LONG, LONG, LONG TERM OF THE CITY. AND IF YOU NEEDED TO SUPPLEMENT THAT LATER AT A SMALLER SUBSTATION, THAT WOULD CERTAINLY STILL BE WITHIN THE CARDS. THIS WOULDN'T PROHIBIT YOU FROM DOING THAT. OKAY. UH, NEXT QUESTION IS ON, UH, THE BALANCE BETWEEN FIRE AND POLICE. LOOKING AT THE STAFFING, UM, THE POLICE THAT AT ANY ONE TIME, UM, UH, IN SERVICE VERSUS THE FIRE, EVEN THOUGH THE FIRE IS LIKE HOUSED AND LIVING AND, UM, THEY'RE 24 7 ON SITE, UH, LIVING THERE. UM, THE BALANCE BETWEEN THE ACTUAL SQUARE FOOTAGE BETWEEN THE FIRE AND THE POLICE, UM, DO WE HAVE A, A GOOD ENOUGH BALANCE AND IS, IS THERE ENOUGH SHARED SPACE SO THAT IF THERE IS CHANGES, UH, DOWN THE ROAD CAN, UM, I'M LOOKING AT THE INTERACTIONS OF FIRE AND POLICE, CAN WE GO BACK AND FORTH AND IS THERE SOME FLEXIBILITY IN, IN MOVING SPACE AROUND FOR THAT IN THE FUTURE? UM, SO, AND JUST THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ON SITE ANY ONE TIME, DAY AND NIGHT. UM, DO WE HAVE, UH, I KNOW FOR THE POLICE YOU HAD A COUPLE THINGS GOT REMOVED SUCH AS THE, UM, UM, UH, THE, THE CELLS FOR, FOR TEMPORARY HOUSING FOR, UH, FOLKS THAT ARE BEING DETAINED, SO WITHOUT REMOVAL, BUT FOR ALL THE SERVICES THAT ARE NEEDED, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, THE POLICE STATION IS ABOUT EQUAL TO FIRE, BUT I'M THINKING WITH THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WE MAY NEED MORE SPACE FOR POLICE THAN FIRE. SO I'M NOT QUITE SEEING THAT. SURE. SO, UH, DEPUTY FI, CHIEF MILLER, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON THIS, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF, OF PROGRAMMING ASSOCIATED WITH, AND FUNDAMENTALLY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE SEE AS PUBLIC SAFETY ARCHITECTS THAT FOCUS ON THE PLANNING OF THESE ENVIRONMENTS IS WHILE THE MISSION IS SIMILAR IN TERMS OF SERVING THE COMMUNITY, THE METHOD IN WHICH THESE TWO DEPARTMENTS DO THAT IS DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT. SO AS YOU POINTED OUT, THE FIRE STATION [01:35:01] IS WHAT HOUSES THE MAJORITY OF THEIR FIRST RESPONDERS, AND THEY LEAVE FROM THAT ENVIRONMENT TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY DURING THEIR TIMES OF TIME OF NEED. ON THE FLIP SIDE, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO LAW ENFORCEMENT, THE, THE MAJORITY OF THE STAFFING THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE POLICE STATION, OR A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THAT I SHOULD SAY, IS ACTUALLY PATROL. AND THOSE INDIVIDUALS ARE USING THE POLICE STATION AS A TOUCHDOWN SPACE, AS A, AS A, AN AREA THAT THEY COME BACK TO, TO COMPLETE REPORTS. BUT IT IS NOT WHERE THEY ARE SPENDING THE VAST MAJORITY OF THEIR TIME. THEY'RE SPENDING THE MAJORITY OF THEIR TIME OUT IN THE COMMUNITY IN THEIR CRUISERS MEETING WITH, YOU KNOW, LOCAL BUSINESSES AND RESIDENCES AND PERFORMING THEIR CALLS FOR SERVICE. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT OF A FIREFIGHTER, WHICH HAS DEDICATED SPACE FOR A BUNK ROOM OF ABOUT 120 SQUARE FEET FOR PER FIREFIGHTER LOCKER SPACE, TURNOUT GEAR SPACE, SO ON AND SO FORTH, THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE STARTS TO ADD UP PER CAPITA COMPARED TO THAT OF A PATROL OFFICER WHO HAS MUCH LESS STORAGE NEEDS THAN SQUARE FOOTAGE NEEDS IN ORDER TO COMPLETE THEIR DUTIES IN AN EFFECTIVE WAY. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, DO YOU WANNA ADD SOMETHING TO THAT? NO, I THINK THAT WAS PRETTY ON POINT. I WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DID THE SITE VISIT AT THE SHARED PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY DOWN IN SAN RAFAEL TO REALLY, UH, MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE BEING THOUGHTFUL AND CONSIDERATE OF THOSE TYPE OF, UH, CHALLENGES AND NEEDS. AND REALLY THE REALITY IS, IS, IS FOR THE MAJORITY, IN MY ENTIRETY OF MY CAREER, I'VE WORKED IN THE SAME BUILDING. AND SO WE WERE VERY SENSITIVE TO, WE'VE BEEN EFFECTIVE AND NIMBLE, BUT WHAT DO WE REALLY NEED AND WHAT IS THE NECESSARY SCOPE AND SCALE TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE A MODERN FULL SERVICE POLICE DEPARTMENT? AND I THINK ROB AND LAURA BEING THE EXPERTS AND LOOKING AT THE EFFICIENCIES AND, AND THE AREAS AND THE OPERATIONAL NEEDS HAVE IDENTIFIED THAT WELL FOR US AND WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY CONFIDENT IN, IN THE, UH, PROGRAMMING THAT THEY'VE INSTALLED. UM, GOOD, THANK YOU. 'CAUSE ONE OF THE, UH, UH, ISSUES THAT WE HAD RAISED EARLIER WAS FIRE AND POLICE WORKING TOGETHER, UM, AND COMMUNICATING MEDIA, MAYBE ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S LARGE EMERGENCIES WHERE THAT, I'M GONNA SHIFT INTO RESILIENCY CENTER HERE IN A SECOND, BUT IF THEY'RE WORKING TOGETHER ON PROJECTS, UM, THE COMMUNITY, THE COMMUNICATION BACK FORTH, 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT STILL LOOKS LIKE SEPARATION BETWEEN THE TWO EXCEPT FOR MAYBE THE ENTRANCE AND IF THERE'S MORE POSSIBILITIES FOR COMMUNICATIONS MEETING AND INTERACTIVITY OF WHEN WE HAVE EMERGENCIES, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REGIONAL EMERGENCIES, UH, NOT JUST TAKING CARE OF OUR OWN CITY. SO, UM, I'M ASSUMING THAT THOSE POSSIBILITIES ARE ENTERING INTO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING ALSO, SO TO ALLOW FOR MORE INTERACTION AND SHARED OF, UH, USE OF FACILITIES. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. I THINK JUST FOR, YOU KNOW, UH, SAFETY AND SECURITY CONSIDERATIONS, THERE'S CERTAIN VEGETABLES AND, AND PROTOCOLS THAT WE HAVE TO, ESPECIALLY ON THE LAW ENFORCEMENT SIDE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. BUT, YOU KNOW, FROM DAY ONE, WE HAVE A WORKING RELATIONSHIP THAT'S EXISTING WITH OUR PETALUMA, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT PARTNERS AND A CULTURE WHERE WE WORK IN A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT, UM, ALL THE TIME. UH, WHAT I REALLY APPRECIATE AND WHAT WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE IN OUR EXISTING FACILITIES IS THAT WE'RE ALREADY ON SITE. UM, WE WELCOME OUR PUBLIC SAFETY PARTNERS TO OUR FACILITY CURRENTLY FOR THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER, BUT AS DESIGNED, THEY'RE SHARED CONFERENCE AREAS. WE ENVISION NOT ONLY JUST THE EOC BUT OFF SOME OF THE, UH, ENTRANCE CORRIDORS PUBLIC SPACES FOR COMMUNITY GROUPS TO COME IN AND HOST MEETINGS THERE BEYOND JUST EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT ISSUES. UM, AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, YOU KNOW, FROM BRIEFING AREAS, FROM LUNCH AREAS, WE REALLY ENVISION THIS BEING A BLENDED PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, FACILITY. UM, AND THEN ALSO BEING CONSIDERATE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEIR SLEEPING QUARTERS AND THINGS WHERE THE FIREFIGHTERS ARE LIVING AND STAYING 24 7 BEING THOUGHTFUL TO NOT IMPEDE KIND OF THOSE RECOVERY EFFORTS THAT THEY NEED AS PART OF THEIR, THEIR WORK, UH, SHIFTS. AND CHIEF MILLER, I COULD PROBABLY EXPAND ON THAT AND JUST CITE A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES OF THAT REALLY TIE INTO BOTH QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FUTURE PROOFING AND, AND UNDERSTANDING THAT. AND SO ONE EXAMPLE THAT I'LL SHARE IS RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT IN, IN THE PROGRAMMING AND IN THE PLAN, WE HAVE A FITNESS CENTER HERE THAT'S DEDICATED TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. THESE DASHED LINES ACTUALLY SHOW THE POTENTIAL FUTURE FIT OUT OF ADDITION OF ADDITIONAL DORMITORIES THAT WOULD BE ASSOCIATED IF AND WHEN THE CITY NEEDS TO PLACE ANOTHER UNIT IN SERVICE. SO THERE'S FLEXIBILITY THERE IN TERMS OF MASTER PLANS, BUT WE ASSUME THAT THAT WOULD NOT HAPPEN UNTIL, AT LEAST AFTER THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, IT'S OPERATIONAL. AND SO WHERE WE SEE OPPORTUNITIES FOR COLLABORATION AND INTERACTION AMONGST STAFF IS THE JOINT USE FITNESS CENTER ON THIS SIDE OF THE BUILDING WHERE FIREFIGHTERS AND [01:40:01] POLICE OFFICERS WOULD INTERACT. AND WHILE THIS LOBBY MAY SEEM LIKE SOMETHING THAT SEPARATES THEM, THIS IS CERTAINLY AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE FIRE AND POLICE CAN MUTUALLY CONDUCT, UM, PUBLIC MEETINGS OR, UM, PRESS CONFERENCES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. AND TO THE POINT OF, OF DEFINITE INTEGRATION IS THAT THE UPPER LEVEL, THE, THAT CONNECTS POLICE AND FIRE COULD BE SECURED ON AN AS NEEDED BASIS THAT AFFORDS BOTH USING AGENCIES TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE EOC, THE TRAINING ROOMS AND THE VARIOUS MEETING ROOMS THAT EXIST ON THE LAW ENFORCEMENT SIDE TO SHARE THOSE SPACES. WHEN WE ORIGINALLY DID THE PROGRAMMING FOR THIS HEADQUARTERS FACILITY, WE LOOKED AT THIS AS A SILOED ENVIRONMENT IN ORDER TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHERE EFFICIENCIES AND COLLABORATION COULD TAKE PLACE. AND ULTIMATELY WE WERE ABLE TO FIND EFFICIENCIES THAT REDUCED THE TOTAL BUILD OUT OF A HEADQUARTERS FACILITY FROM RIGHT AROUND A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET DOWN TO THE 73,000 SQUARE FEET THAT WE SEE TODAY. UM, THAT OBVIOUSLY WASN'T JUST IN SHARED SPACES, BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, GAINING EFFICIENCY IN TERMS OF OPERATIONS. AND SO I I WILL SAY THAT I HAVE ENJOYED THE PAST 25 YEARS OF MY CAREER WORKING WITH POLICE DEPARTMENTS AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY. AND, AND I'M NOT JUST SAYING THAT 'CAUSE YOU GUYS ARE IN THE ROOM AND 'CAUSE CHIEF OFO JUST RETIRED, UM, YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN AN ABSOLUTE PLEASURE TO WORK WITH AND IT IS VERY RARE THAT I SEE A FIRE DEPARTMENT AND A POLICE DEPARTMENT COLLABORATE AND GET ALONG SO WELL, LET ALONE PUT THE NEEDS OF THE OTHER AGENCY BEFORE THEIR OWN. SO I CAN TELL YOU WITH 100% CONVICTION THAT YOU GUYS HAVE THE ABSOLUTE GREATEST LEADERSHIP IN YOUR FIRST RESPONDER COMMUNITY, AND THEY DID A FANTASTIC JOB OF COLLABORATING TO FIND WHAT THEY NEED IN, IN AN EFFECTIVE MANNER. GOOD. UH, THANK YOU. UM, THAT SOUNDS VERY GOOD FOR US. NOW, UM, I'D LIKE TO SHIFT GEARS TO THE, UH, UM, RESILIENCY CENTER, UM, WHICH WAS PROMISED TO THE FOLKS AS ONE OF THE THINGS ON THE FAIR GROUND. AND IF WE'RE GONNA INCLUDE, UM, WHATEVER THAT RESILIENCY REPRESENTS, COULD MULTIPLE THINGS COULD BE INCLUDED IN IT, UM, BUT ESPECIALLY FOR EMERGENCY PURPOSES. SO, AND WE WANTED SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE CLOSE BY AND CONNECTED TO FIRE AND POLICE. SO I'M THINKING ABOUT WHAT SIZE OF FACILITY MIGHT BE NEEDED FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT WOULD DO MULTI-PURPOSES, INCLUDING REGIONAL EMERGENCIES. AND, UM, WHERE DO WE LOCATE THAT NEAR THIS, UH, AND WHERE THAT, WHERE THAT FOOTPRINT MIGHT BE IN ASSOCIATION? WHAT TYPE OF INTERACTIONS MIGHT OCCUR TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT OUR, OUR SAFETY TEAMS ARE WORKING WITH THE RESILIENCY CENTER TEAMS REGIONAL, UH, WHEN THEY COME IN ON A REGIONAL BASIS. AND, UH, IF WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT DOES HAPPEN EARTH MAJOR EARTHQUAKES COMING ONE OF THESE DAYS. SO WHEN WE HAVE 10,000 PEOPLE SHOW UP, UM, OUR, THE CURRENT FACILITIES THAT ARE BEING PLANNED COORDINATING WITH THE RESILIENCE CENTER THAT MAY BE COMING, HOPEFULLY YES, THAT WE GET THE GRANT MONIES AND MAKE THAT ALL HAPPEN. SO ARE WE CONNECTING THE DOTS THERE FOR, FOR THAT FUTURE? I THINK I CAN START THE ANSWER TO THAT ONE. IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO CHIME IN, PLEASE DO. SO. THE RESILIENCY CENTER AS PROPOSED IN THE GRANT SUBMITTAL THAT WE, THAT WE SUBMITTED ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO IS ENVISIONED AS, UH, ROUGHLY A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING. COULD BE A LITTLE MORE, COULD BE LESS, JUST DEPENDING ON COST AND DESIGN AND THOSE SORTS OF CONSIDERATIONS. UH, IT'S ENVISIONED AS SORT OF AN OPEN FLOOR PLAN, FLEX SPACE TYPE OF BUILDING. UH, IT WOULD HAVE A COMMERCIAL KITCHEN AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IN TIMES OF EVACUATION OR FOR OPENING UP, UH, AN EMERGENCY OR EVACUATION CENTER, IT COULD AND WOULD SERVE AS THAT, UH, WHETHER YOU'RE BRINGING IN FOLKS, YOU KNOW, OVERNIGHT, UH, EVACUEES FROM OTHER, UH, PARTS OF THE COUNTY OR THINGS, THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT WHEN, YOU KNOW, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE YEAR WHEN IT'S NOT SERVING AS THAT, IT WOULD BE AN OPEN FLEXIBLE SPACE, WHETHER IT WOULD BE FOR COMMUNITY GROUPS, FOR GROUPS WHO WANTED TO RENT THE FACILITY, UM, WHO WANTED TO COME IN AND USE IT FOR TRAININGS. MAYBE IT COULD BE THE, YOU KNOW, CITY USE FOR TRAININGS. THERE ARE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES THERE. AND THEN PART OF THE RESILIENCY CENTER PROGRAM IS WHAT OTHER TYPES OF FACILITIES AND ACTIVITIES ARE PLACED AROUND IT. SO COULD BE FARMER'S MARKETS, COULD BE OTHER NONPROFITS THAT WE, WE'VE COLLABORATED WITH, I THINK 13 DIFFERENT NONPROFITS INTO THAT GRANT APPLICATION. SO THAT, UH, THAT CAN BE KIND OF A CENTRALIZED LOCATION, WHETHER IT'S FOR FOOD DISTRIBUTION OR TRAINING OR VOLUNTEERISM. UH, THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF POTENTIAL USES THERE. WHAT WE DON'T KNOW THOUGH, IS HOW THAT FACILITY WOULD LOOK AND WHERE IT WOULD BE LOCATED. SO THAT IS REALLY WHAT THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE IF WE ARE SUCCESSFUL IN OBTAINING THE GRANT. WE DID APPLY FOR [01:45:01] A PROJECT DEVELOPMENT TYPE GRANT, SO IT'S BASICALLY A MASTER PLANNING GRANT AND WE WOULD THEN USE THOSE FUNDS TO GO OUT TO THE COMMUNITY TO CONSULT WITH ALL OF THOSE NONPROFIT GROUPS, UH, TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST PLACEMENT, THE BEST FACILITIES, AND THE BEST USAGE OF, OF THE OVERALL FAIRGROUNDS PROPERTY. UM, AND THEN JUST ONE KIND OF, UH, SIDE NOTE TO TAG ALONG TO A PRIOR QUESTION, BECAUSE ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE GOING, ARE HOPEFULLY GOING TO BE MASTER PLAN IN THE NEXT ONE TO TWO YEARS, AND WE ALSO HAVE NEW FACILITIES POTENTIALLY COMING ONLINE. UH, WE'RE, WE'RE FORGING AHEAD WITH THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE FOURTH DISTRICT AGRICULTURAL ASSOCIATION IN TERMS OF TRYING TO CONTINUE THE, UH, ANNUAL FAIR INTO THE FUTURE. UH, THERE MAY BE OPPORTUNITIES IN TERMS OF PARKING THAT WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THOSE ACTUALLY ARE AT THIS POINT. SO WE WANT TO BE CREATIVE WITH 'EM, UH, WITH OTHER POTENTIAL PARTNERS IN PETALUMA AND HOW WE CAN MAYBE RECONFIGURE PARKING AND THAT MAY THEN PLAY INTO SOME OF THE MASTER PLANNING COMPONENTS, UH, AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE RESILIENCY CENTER PROGRAM. ALRIGHT, GOOD. THANK YOU. I JUST MAKE SURE WE WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THAT AS WE'RE PLANNING THESE TWO FACILITIES THAT YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. THAT IS A, A VERY CONNECTED AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT FOOTPRINT AND MAYBE THIS THE PATHWAYS, ROAD PATHWAYS AND CONNECTIVITY AND SIZE, UM, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A PLAN FOR THAT WHEN WE DO THIS ALSO. THANK YOU YOU COUNCIL MEMBER NOW. UM, THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. UM, I'M LOOKING AT, UM, THIS SLIDE, UH, NINE, THE NEW PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY REDUCED FOOTPRINT. WE HAD TALKED LAST MEETING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THIS TO GO UP AS HIGH AS THREE STORIES AND TALKING TO STAFF, THEY WERE LIKE, WELL, WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP PRICE, YOU KNOW, THE, TO A, YOU KNOW, LOWER PRICE, UH, AND BUILDING. BUT I SAID THE MARY ISAAC CENTER BUILT UP THEIR THIRD TWO, THREE STORIES AND THEY DIDN'T BUILD THE INTERIOR PART OF IT UNTIL THEY WERE READY, LIKE MAYBE A YEAR OR SO LATER, THEY LEFT IT EMPTY AND THEN THEY FILLED IN AS, AND I SEE THAT AS WE BUILD PHASE ONE, BUT WE BUILD IT WITH THE THREE STORIES, AND THEN AS THE POLICE PHASE TWO GETS BUILT, WE CAN USE THAT THIRD STORY AS A SHARED COMMON BETWEEN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, EMPLOYEES AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEES. SO IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN DO? I, I'M LOOKING AT EVERYONE TO REDUCE THAT FOOTPRINT. YEAH. UH, ROB, DO YOU MAYBE WANNA START ON ON KIND OF THE, THE REVIEW THAT LED TO THAT ASSESSMENT? SURE, YEAH. SO I WILL, UH, I'LL SHARE MY SCREEN AGAIN AND KIND OF, UH, WALK THROUGH, UH, SEE IF I CAN SHARE, IF WE STOP SHARING THE SLIDE, I'LL BRING UP A STROKE PLAN. UH, JUST GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. I GOT IT. I WAS ON SLIDE NINE OF THE, SORRY, I JUST STOPPED SHARING. SLIDE NINE. OKAY, YOU'RE GOOD. YOU'RE GOOD. I'M GONNA BRING UP, UH, THANK YOU BLUEBEAM AGAIN AS SOON AS I CAN FIND IT HERE ON MY, I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT WENT. SO TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION IN A LITTLE BIT GREATER DETAIL, THIS IS A, UM, THIS IS THE GROUND FLOOR PLAN AS, AS CURRENTLY PROPOSED. AND IF I WERE TO COME IN HERE JUST VERY, VERY BRIEFLY AND TO HIGHLIGHT THE AREAS THAT ABSOLUTELY NEED GROUND FLOOR ACCESS, UM, AND WE'LL TRY TO MAKE THIS, YOU KNOW, IN, IN YELLOW WOULD BE THE BUNK ROOMS TO BE CLOSE TO THE APPARATUS BAY, THE APPARATUS BAY, OBVIOUSLY ON THE FIRE SIDE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARGUABLY THE KITCHEN, OBVIOUSLY YOU WOULD NEED A MAIN ENTRY, SO ON AND SO FORTH. UH, I THINK THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULD CONCUR THAT SOME TYPE OF PUBLIC INTERVIEW ROOM OFF OF THE LOBBY, ALL OF THE INTERACTION WITH PROPERTY STORAGE AND RECORDS WHERE THE MAJORITY OF PUBLIC INTERACTION OCCURS WOULD NEED TO BE THERE. UM, AND THEN CERTAINLY AS WE GET INTO THE OTHER AREAS, UM, ANY EVIDENCE STORAGE AND THE PATROL AREA AS WELL AS THE VEHICLES WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE ON THE GROUND FLOOR. SO AS WE QUICKLY ZOOM OUT AFTER THAT VERY HIGH LEVEL EXERCISE, WHAT WE'RE LEFT WITH IS ONLY A HANDFUL OF SPACES THAT DO NOT REQUIRE ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED GROUND FLOOR ACCESS. AND SO SOME OF THE PLANNING DECISIONS THAT WENT INTO THE PROGRAMMING WERE THAT OF IT WOULD BE REALLY GREAT IF THE FITNESS ROOM, FOR EXAMPLE, AND THE PATROL LOCKERS AND ALL OF THE LOCKERS WERE ON THE GROUND FLOOR TO AFFORD THE OFFICERS EXPEDITED ACCESS IN TO START THEIR SHIFT AND EXPEDITED ACCESS OUT TO GRAB SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE OF THEIR SHIFT. AND ALSO TO LEAVE, UM, IN ADDITION, THE FITNESS ROOM BEING LOCATED IN AN AREA THAT WAS CAPABLE OF ACTUALLY BEING ACCESSED FROM OTHER CITY STAFF POTENTIALLY, WHERE THIS COULD BE A PARTIALLY SECURED ENVIRONMENT WHERE SOMEONE FROM FIRE OR CITY GOVERNMENT IS NOT NECESSARILY IMPEDING UPON THE OPERATIONS [01:50:01] OF, UH, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT PROPER. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT EQUATION AND WE TAKE THINGS BACK TO, UM, THE MASSING OF THE BUILDING, WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT ARGUABLY 90% OF WHAT IS SHOWN ON THE GROUND FLOOR NEEDS AND WANTS TO BE ON THE GROUND FLOOR TO CONDUCT THE OPERATIONS OF EACH AGENCY AS EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE GIVEN THE INFORMATION THAT WE KNOW TODAY. CAN, CAN YOU, SO WHAT'S YOU'S LEFT? CAN, SORRY, I I I HAVE VERY SIMILAR QUESTION, SO I'M, I APOLOGIZE FOR CUTTING YOU OFF. SURE. UM, WHEN YOU SAY THINGS NEED TO BE ON THE GROUND FLOOR, UM, MY NEXT QUESTION IS GONNA BE WHY. SO LIKE, UM, THE BUNKS NEED TO BE ON THE GROUND FLOOR, WHY? RIGHT. SO I'M JUST LIKE, YOU NEED TO, GREAT QUESTION, NEED TO SLOW DOWN AND REALLY EDUCATE US ON THIS STUFF BECAUSE AB ABSOLUTELY HAPPY TO DO THAT. THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT, LIKE, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA GET INTO THE WEEDS A LITTLE BIT ON THIS IN ORDER TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS. SO, UM, NFPA 1720 IS THE STANDARD FOR RESPONSE TIMES, AS I KIND OF PREVIOUSLY ALLUDED TO BEFORE. UM, SO WHAT WE KNOW IS THAT THE RESPONSE TIMES TO GET FIREFIGHTERS FROM THE MOMENT THAT THE ALARM IS DETECTED AND OR AUTOMATICALLY CALLS 9 1 1 OR A PERSON CALLS 9 1 1, WE BASICALLY HAVE ROUGHLY SEVEN TO EIGHT MINUTES TO GET UNITS ON SCENE BEFORE POTENTIAL FLASHOVER. AND IF WE'RE LOOKING AT EMS SERVICES, IT'S SLIGHTLY LESS THAN THAT IN ORDER TO IMPROVE THE SURVIVABILITY RATE FOR CARDIAC ARREST. AND I'M SURE THOSE IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CAN TALK ABOUT THOSE TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS A LITTLE MORE DETAILED WHEN WE START BACKING THAT TIME OUT AND FORWARD AND WE COMPRESS OURSELVES FROM ARRIVING ON SCENE TO BEING NOTIFIED, BASICALLY WHAT WE ARE LEFT WITH IS 60 SECONDS FOR EMS RESPONSE AND 80 SECONDS FOR FIRE RESPONSE. WHAT THAT CONSISTS OF, THAT 80 SECONDS, UM, FOR FIREFIGHTERS TO RESPOND, THAT CONSISTS OF AN INDIVIDUAL BEING ALERTED FROM POTENTIALLY, UH, DEAD SLUMBER, UM, HAVING TO NAVIGATE THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING AND THEN HAVING TO PUT THEIR TURNOUT GEAR ON. AND I AM HAPPY TO SEND YOU PLENTY OF PRESENTATIONS AND DATA AND VIDEO THAT SHOW THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS TAKES. WHEN WE CONSIDER THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT IT TAKES, UH, THE AVERAGE FIREFIGHTER TO PUT ON THEIR TURNOUT GEAR, THAT LEAVES US ROUGHLY 20 TO 30 SECONDS TO MOVE SOMEONE FROM THEIR STATIC POSITION TO THE TURNOUT GEAR POSITION. SO WHERE THEY PUT THEIR GEAR ON, UM, UNFORTUNATELY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS ONLY AS FAST AS THE SLOWEST PERSON. SO WHILE THE SEASONED VETERAN, LIKE THE CHIEF HIMSELF MIGHT BE ABLE TO DON HIS TURNOUT GEAR IN JUST A COUPLE OF SECONDS, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THE FACT THAT THE ROOKIE FIREFIGHTER WHO STRAIGHT OUT OF THE ACADEMY IS GONNA PERHAPS NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME BEFORE THE UNIT CAN ACTUALLY RESPOND. SO THAT 80 SECONDS IS LARGELY DRIVEN BY THOSE FACTORS. AND SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE RELATIONSHIP OF SPACE, IT'S IDEAL TO KEEP THESE BUNK ROOMS AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO THE APPARATUS, WHILE ALSO MAINTAINING THE REQUIRED MEANS OF EGRESS FOR RESIDENTIAL OR R TWO OCCUPANCY, THE TWO MEANS OF EGRESS THAT ARE THERE IN ORDER TO GET THESE INDIVIDUALS TO THEIR UNITS IN TERMS OF THE ONES THAT RESPOND THE MOST, AND THE FA UH, TO GET THEM TO THE, THE FASTEST AND TO THE ONES THAT RESPOND THE MOST FREQUENTLY, IT IS NOT UNHEARD OF NOR UNCOMMON TO TAKE BUNK ROOMS AND LIVING CONDITIONS OR QUARTERS AND LOCATE THEM ABOVE THE APPARATUS BAY. HOWEVER, WHAT WE'RE DOING AT THAT POINT IS WE ARE ELONGATING THE TRAVEL DISTANCE PRETTY SUBSTANTIALLY VIA VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION. THE AVERAGE PERSON WILL TAKE ABOUT 15, 20 SECONDS TO ACTUALLY TRAVERSE 20 FEET OF RISERS OR STAIRS, IF YOU WILL, IN THAT PROCESS. SO THAT TAKES THAT EQUATION AND MAKES IT ALL THE MORE DIFFICULT. AND FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT, WE WOULD NEED TO CONSIDER WHETHER OR NOT FIRE POLES, WHICH ARE, ARE COMMON IN SOME CITIES, BUT BECOMING LESS AND LESS COMMON AS A, A NATIONAL PRACTICE BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF, UH, INJURIES THAT OCCUR TO FIRST RESPONDERS IN TERMS OF KNEE INJURIES, BACK INJURIES, LONGER TERM CHRONIC HEALTH ISSUES FROM THE IMPACT, AS WELL AS, UM, MORE CATASTROPHIC INJURIES THAT MIGHT RESULT FROM SLIP AND FALLS AND THE ASSOCIATED OVERTIME PAY, UM, AND MEDICAL CLAIMS THAT MIGHT COME FROM THAT. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT, UM, THOSE REQUIREMENTS AS TO WHY THEY WANT TO BE THERE, THAT'S ALL ROOTED IN, UM, SOME PRETTY WELL ESTABLISHED AND RESEARCH PLANNING PRINCIPLES FOR BEST PRACTICES THAT SURROUND FIRE DEPARTMENT OPERATIONS. SO THAT'S, THAT'S ON THE FIRE SIDE. SO I'LL PAUSE THERE TO GIVE YOU GUYS AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO ASK QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE FIRE SIDE, AND THEN I'LL GO OVER TO THE POLICE SIDE, WHICH IS A, [01:55:01] A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. ANY, ANYTHING IN THAT REGARD? WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO JUST GO TO POLICE? UM, I, I DO HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO KNOW THE ANSWERS. YOU SAID, UM, INJURIES FROM, UH, USING FIRE POLES, UM, AND YOU TALKED ABOUT THE, THE FREQUENCY OF THAT, LIKE, UM, CAN YOU DON'T, MAYBE YOU DON'T HAVE TO TELL ME WHAT THE, THE FREQUENCY OF THAT IS, UM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT, ALL OF THAT INFORMATION. YEAH, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT STATISTICS HANDY. I JUST KNOW IT'S ENOUGH THAT OSHA PUSHES BACK ON ON THEM. WHEN POSSIBLE I WILL, I WILL COLLECT THAT DATA AND, AND TRY TO GET THAT IN YOUR HANDS. COUNCIL MEMBER. NOW. YOU WERE, UM, ON THAT SAME LINE, I HAVE READ A MILLION BOOKS ABOUT CHILDREN TO CHILDREN ABOUT THE FIREFIGHTERS COMING DOWN THE POLE FROM UP ABOVE. AND THE FIRE POLE WAS A MEANS OF REDUCING THE TIME. AND I'M SURE THAT THEY CAN BE TAUGHT TO, I AM LOOKING AT IN INTERIM CHIEF MILLER, BUT I SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THE FIRE CHIEF. I'M SURE THERE'S WAYS OF REDUCING THE, THE RISK TO OUR FIREFIGHTERS BY GOING DOWN THE POLE. UM, I I UNDERSTAND HOW THEY DON'T WANNA HAVE LIVING ABOVE THE APPARATUS THAT THE FIRE POLE REDUCES THE TIME. THAT'S WHY THEY PUT IT IN. YEP. THAT IS HISTORICALLY WHY THEY PUT IT IN. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. 'CAUSE WALKING VISITS LONGER. AM I, AM I INCORRECT? NO, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, . SO, UM, STATISTICALLY SPEAKING, I I CITED THE RESPONSE TIME FOR STAIRS, AND IT'S ONLY FAIR THAT I GIVE YOU THE DATA BACK ON A FIRE POLE. IT'S ROUGHLY THREE TO FOUR SECONDS, DEPENDING ON THE RATE, UH, AND SKILL OF THE FIREFIGHTER TO GO FROM A 20 FOOT FLOOR HEIGHT TO LEVEL ZERO, BASICALLY THE APPARATUS BASED SLAB, UM, BY DESCENDING A POLE VERSUS THE STAIRS. SO IT'S ROUGHLY FOUR TIMES FASTER THAN TRAVERSING STAIRS. I, I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY THERE'S, UH, PLUSES AND MINUSES TO ALL OF THIS, UH, IN A DESIGN. AND WE'RE NOT CURRENTLY IN THE DESIGN PHASE. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING COUNSEL TO HELP US MOVE FORWARD WITH, TO DO THE DESIGN. WHAT ROB'S DOING IS REALLY KIND OF OVERALL GENERAL BEST PRACTICES AND TRYING TO COME UP WITH WHAT IS THE MINIMUM, I THINK IN THE FUTURE, UM, WE COULD PUT, UH, WE COULD PUT DORMS ON THE ABOVE THE APPARATUS BAY, BUT THERE ARE MORE RISKS WITH THE FIRE POLE. IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE IT'S A STORY AND A TWO AND THREE QUARTERS TALL, AND SO IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE TO BEEF UP THAT APPARATUS BAY. BUT THOSE ARE ALL OPTIONS. WE'RE JUST NOT THERE YET. AND CHIEF SHOCK, AND, UM, TO YOUR POINT, COUNCIL MEMBER NOW, IT'S NOT THAT THEY'RE UNABLE TO BE TRAINED TO USE IT, BUT THEY'RE COMING OUT OF SLEEP, RIGHT? SO YOU'RE WAKING UP AND YOU'RE HEARING THE ALARM AND THEN YOU'RE, AND I THINK A LOT OF THAT INJURY IS, IS BASED UPON SOMEBODY COMING OUT OF A SLUMBER, GETTING IN, YOU KNOW, SLIDING DOWN THE POLE AND PROBABLY ENTERING THEMSELVES. AND, AND IF I MAY, I, I THINK YOU'RE CATCHING OUR DRIFT THAT WE WANT TO MAXIMIZE UTILIZATION OF THE SPACE AND WE'RE GETTING KIND OF IN THE WEEDS WITH THE POLE, RIGHT? , BUT, BUT THAT JUST SHOWS YOU HOW CONCERNED WE ARE FOR THAT. I MEAN, YEAH, THAT PROPERTIES WERE $2 MILLION AN ACRE NOW. I MEAN, IT IS, YOU KNOW, VERY HIGHLY USABLE. OUR TREND IS TO HIRE BUILDINGS EVERYWHERE IN TOWN. WE HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO BEST UTILIZE THE SPACE. ABSOLUTELY. AND THERE'S TRADE-OFFS. I, THERE'S TRADE-OFFS AND WAYS TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. YOU JUST MIGHT INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF TIME IT TAKES TO GET SOMEWHERE, OR YOU MIGHT INCREASE THE COST OR YOU MIGHT, MIGHT BE PERFECT. AND WE'RE TRYING TO DO, I THINK ROB'S TRYING TO SHOW THE BEST, BEST PRACTICE WITH WHAT WE HAVE AND WE CAN, WE CAN TWEAK AND ADJUST THAT BASED ON THE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION ON WHAT THE PRIOR, WHAT THE PRIORITIES ARE AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DESIGN PHASE. YEAH, I THINK THIS SHOWS, UM, AT, AT LEAST IN MY OPINION, A RATHER BALANCED APPROACH. MAYBE IT, IT SKEWS A LITTLE HEAVIER TOWARDS TRYING TO GET THINGS ON, UH, IN A VERTICAL ENVIRONMENT THAN, THAN TRULY BALANCED. BECAUSE IN AN IDEAL WORLD, YOU WOULD, AS WE GET TO THE POLICE SIDE, YOU WOULD HAVE YOUR INVESTIGATIONS VERY CLOSE TO YOUR PATROL, BUT SEPARATING THEM AS A COMPROMISE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN MAKE. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, SHIFTING GEARS TO THE, TO THE POLICE SIDE, UM, AGAIN, A LOT OF THIS STUFF COMES DOWN TO COST EFFECTIVENESS, WORKFLOW AND UM, AND REALLY RISK MANAGEMENT. SO FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY AS WE LOOK AT THINGS LIKE THE, UH, RAPID DEPLOYMENT AREA WHERE THE SPECIALIZED VEHICLES GET STORED, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT OBVIOUSLY THESE AREAS CLEARLY NEED TO BE ON THE GROUND FLOOR. UM, THEY JUST, OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN'T STORE VEHICLES ON AN UPPER LEVEL, BUT OTHER AREAS LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT, THESE ARE HIGH BAY ENVIRONMENTS, RIGHT? SO THESE ARE ALREADY THAT ONE AND THREE [02:00:01] QUARTER STORIES, ALL OF THIS EVIDENCE STORAGE, AGAIN, VERY HEAVY STRUCTURAL ELEMENTS, UM, WANTS TO BE ON THE GROUND FLOOR IN TERMS OF CAPITALIZING ON THE HEIGHT THAT WE CAN GAIN, BUT ALSO NOT HAVING TO DO THE STRUCTURAL LOADING TO SUPPORT THESE HEAVY LOADS FROM ABOVE OPERATIONALLY THE PATROL AREA, THIS PATROL ENVIRONMENT, WHICH REALLY, I MEAN TO BE QUITE HONEST, CONSISTS OF, OF THIS TYPE OF, UH, REALLY THIS SQUARE FOOTAGE. UM, HERE, THESE ELEMENTS ARE ALL ASSOCIATED WITH THE OFFICERS THAT ARE COMING BACK AND FORTH ON AN HOURLY BASIS TO AND FROM, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, AT TIMES MOVING SECURED EVIDENCE, INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE BEEN DETAINED, UM, VALUABLE INFORMATION, SO ON AND SO FORTH. AND ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE IN HANDCUFFS OR HAS BEEN DETAINED, THE LOCATION OF THIS TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT IS DESIGNED TO NOT ONLY PROTECT THE OCCUPANTS OF THE BUILDING IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, SEPARATING THE CIVILIAN STAFF FROM THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN DETAINED, BUT ALSO PROTECTING THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN DETAINED FROM HAVING TO NAVIGATE THINGS LIKE STAIRS OR, UM, FACE OPERATIONAL CHALLENGES IF AN ELEVATOR GOES OUT OF SERVICE, UH, WHETHER IT BE FROM LONG RANGE POWER FAILURE OR WHATNOT. BUT THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE TYPE OF SPACE THAT IS THE LIFEBLOOD OF SUPPORTING THE COMMUNITY AND NEEDS TO HAVE THAT KIND OF FUNDAMENTAL GROUND FLOOR ACCESS. WHEN YOU GET INTO THINGS LIKE, UH, WHETHER THERE'S A FORENSIC LAB AND OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE MECHANICAL SPACE AND, AND PATROL STORAGE. THE FORENSICS LAB IS WHAT HAS A VERY DIRECT RELATIONSHIP TO PATROL AND THE QUARTER, AND I'M SORRY, AND THE EVIDENCE STORAGE BECAUSE IT'S THE OFFICERS THAT ARE SUBMITTING THE STUFF INTO EVIDENCE AND IT GOES BACK TO THE LAB FOR PROCESSING AND THEN IT WORKS ITS WAY THROUGH THE CYCLE OF BASICALLY THE OPERATIONAL NEEDS OF THE DEPARTMENT. SO, YOU KNOW, VERY QUICKLY WE FIND THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE RELATIONSHIPS AND THE EFFICIENCIES, THESE ARE ALL OF THE THINGS, WHILE I DON'T, WON'T SAY ABSOLUTELY NEED TO BE, THEY STRONGLY, STRONGLY DESIRE TO BE CLOSE TO EACH OTHER. NOT ONLY FROM AN OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCY STANDPOINT, BUT ALSO FROM THE CULTURAL STANDPOINT IN TERMS OF PROMOTING THESE OFFICERS FROM WORKING TOGETHER AND FINDING THAT EFFICIENCY IN THE POLICE FORCE TO, UM, TO MAKE THEM THE, YOU KNOW, THE BEST INDIVIDUALS SO THAT THEY CAN BE WITH THEIR JOB BY GIVING THEM THE TOOLS THAT THEY NEED TO BE SUCCESSFUL. COUNCIL MEMBER. NOW ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? UM, I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO, UM, YOU KNOW, UTILIZE THE FOOTPRINTS AND GO UP AND THERE'S ALSO OTHER THINGS THAT NEED DESK JOBS IN THE FIREHOUSE. 'CAUSE I AM, I'M JUST CONCENTRATING ON PHASE ONE. UM, RIGHT NOW OUR, UM, WE HAVE A SATELLITE FIRE INSPECTION FIRE DEPARTMENT RIGHT HERE AT CITY HALL. AND I WAS JUST RECENTLY AT THE SAUSALITO FOR MY SON'S PINNING AND THERE'S A THREE STORY NEW BUILDING AND THE TOP THIRD FLOOR IS THE OFFICES FOR FIRE PREVENTION. AND THEY WERE, SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT TO LOOK FORWARD IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE WE ARE OUTGROWING THE CITY HALL AND I'M SURE THEY WOULD LOVE TO USE THAT ANNEX OVER THERE AND WE COULD MOVE INTO THAT THIRD FLOOR. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO ADVOCATE FOR, UM, U UTILIZING A SMALLER FOOTPRINT AND GOING UP HIGHER. I, I UNDERSTAND THERE IS A FIRE POLE IN PETALUMA AND THEY JUST GO THROUGH HALLWAY. THEY'RE NOT GOING RIGHT DOWN TO THEIR FIRETRUCK LIKE WE SEE ON TV, BUT UM, I UNDERSTAND THE OSHA REQUIREMENTS TOO AND AND SAFETY FOR OUR EMPLOYEES. BUT ANYWAY, THANK YOU VICE MAYOR CASE. JUST MAKE A QUICK COMMENT THAT, I MEAN, I DO BE AGREE THAT WE NEED, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GOING IS VERTICAL AND WE'RE USING A LARGE CHUNK OF PROPERTY AND IT'S A BIG CHUNK AND OTHER CITIES HAVE TO GO UP. AND SO IT IS POSSIBLE TO GO IN THIS DIRECTION. I THINK I'M SPRAWLING OUT IS NOT REALLY THE DIRECTION I'D LIKE TO GO. I'D PREFER TO GO UP AND, YOU KNOW, CITIES DO THIS ALL THE TIME, SO I DON'T, I THINK THERE HAS GOTTA BE SOLUTIONS, UM, TO, TO THE SPRAWL COMPARED TO VERTICAL. SO I WOULD JUST SAY THAT, HEY, WHEN WE, WE LOOKED AT THE UM, THE FEL MODEL, THEIR'S IS BUILT IN, IN, UH, SLIGHT OF A HILLSIDE. SO BY NECESSITY THEY HAD TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE VERTICAL THAN I THINK WAS DESIRABLE. AND WHAT WE FOUND OF THE FEEDBACK FROM THEM WAS FROM, UH, THEIR FITNESS CENTERS ON THE SECOND FLOOR AND THE OFFICERS IN THE REPORT WRITING ROOM [02:05:01] BELOW AND THE DISPATCHERS WERE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE NOISE AND THE IMPACTS ON THE, THE SLEEPING QUARTERS. AND SO WHILE I THINK WHAT WE SAW WHERE WAS THERE WAS EXAMPLES WHERE IT COULD BE DESIGNED, IT WASN'T NECESSARILY DESIRABLE. AND I THINK WHAT, WHAT ROB'S ARTICULATED IS FOR THE EFFICIENCIES AND TO MAXIMIZE AND LESSEN THE BURDENS ON STAFF. UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE OTHER EXAMPLES WAS THE, UH, OFFICERS ARE CARRYING THEIR DUTY BAGS FOR THE DAY 40, 50 POUNDS OF EQUIPMENT UPSTAIRS TO AND FROM. AND SO I KNOW IT'S NOT UNCOMMON EVERY BEGINNING OF OUR SHIFT TO BE CLEARED FROM EITHER THE LOCKER ROOM OR FROM THE BRIEFING ROOM TO AN EMERGENCY WHERE YOU'RE IMMEDIATELY GOING OUT WITHIN TWO MINUTES OF COMING ON DUTY AND THESE OFFICERS IN THAT BUILDING ARE HAVING TO, TO HOOF THAT EQUIPMENT DOWN AND THEN TRYING TO LOAD THEIR CAR HASTILY AND PROBABLY ARE REALLY NOT AS PREPARED AS THEY COULD BE. AND THAT'S NOT A RECIPE FOR SUCCESS, BUT I THINK WE WOULD GLADLY BUILD UP. UM, I THINK WHAT WE ARE BEING THOUGHTFUL OF IS WE, THE THIRD STORY DOESN'T NECESSARILY ADD ANYTHING FROM WHAT WE NEED. WE FEEL THAT THE, UH, THE SPACE NEEDS ARE IDENTIFIED AND, AND, UH, DETAILED ON THOSE FIRST TWO STORIES. AND WHILE WE WOULD WELCOME ADDITIONAL SPACE, WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY SEEING THAT THE EFFICIENCIES AND THE OPERATIONAL NEEDS, WE COULD BE MOVED TO THAT THIRD STORY. UM, WITH, WITH THE IMPACT THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. I'M JUST CURIOUS, I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE A THIRD STORY, ARE THERE OTHER CITY USES, OR IS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT JUST SEPARATED FROM OTHER SERVICES? THERE'S A HIGH, THERE WOULD BE A HIGH PREMIUM COST-WISE FOR, FOR THAT BECAUSE PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES HAVE TO BE BUILT TO MORE RESILIENT STANDARDS, BOTH SEISMICALLY AND COMMUNICATIONS WISE. AND THE SEISMIC GETS TO BE QUITE EXPENSIVE THE HIGHER YOU GO UP. SO I THINK FOR A PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING, YOU WANNA OPTIMIZE IT FOR THE FUNCTIONS THAT NEED THAT EXTRA RESILIENCY AND CONSIDER OTHER SPACES, UH, OTHER FACILITIES WHERE YOU WOULD ADD THAT CAPA ADDITIONAL CAPACITY FOR GROWTH FOR OTHER DEPARTMENTS. OKAY. THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. YEAH. IF, IF YOU HAD A, AN, AN ALLIED AGENCY THAT MADE SENSE THAT NEEDED THE SIMILAR, UM, RESILIENCY REQUIREMENTS, THEN IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE. BUT, YOU KNOW, TO, TO PIGGYBACK ON LAURA'S COMMENT, THE OTHER THING THAT YOU SHOULD PROBABLY BE SUPER COGNIZANT OF, UM, IS WHAT OTHER ENTITIES ARE IN THE HOU IN THE HOUSE, IF YOU WILL, UM, AND WHAT RISKS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT PRESENT TO THE OTHER USERS OF THE BUILDING. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING, JUST CITING SOME OTHER EXAMPLES, UM, THERE'S A, A FIRE STATION IN WASHINGTON DC. IT'S DC ENGINE ONE. IT'S A VERY VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION. IT'S BUILT BY A DEVELOPER. THE GROUND FLOOR, REALLY, THE FIRST TWO GROUND FLOORS ARE FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. AND ABOVE THAT IS MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING, UM, AND A GIANT SQUASH PORT THAT BASICALLY OVERLOOKS THE US CAPITOL. UH, IF YOU GET FEEDBACK FROM THE FIREFIGHTERS, THERE IS SIGNIFICANT CONCERN ABOUT TERRORIST ACTIVITIES THAT MAY OR MAY NOT OCCUR FROM PEOPLE MOVING INTO THE BUILDING, AS WELL AS THE SQUASH BALLS BOUNCING OFF THE WALLS AT ALL HOURS OF THE NIGHT. UM, BUT YOU JUST GOTTA BE COGNIZANT OF NOT SUGGESTING THAT YOU WOULD PUT A SQUASH COURT ON THE THIRD FLOOR. YOU JUST NEED TO BE COGNIZANT OF THE, UH, THE SECURITY PROVISIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, MAY OR MAY NOT NEED TO TAKE PLACE. I, I APPRECIATE THAT, UM, BECAUSE I AM THINKING OF THAT. UM, BUT THE OTHER THING IS THE TWO BAYS FOR A POLICE, FOR YOUR EQUIPMENT AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, ARE THOSE, UM, CEMENT FLOORS HAVE TO BE REINFORCED THE SAME WAY. YEAH. SO IF FUNDAMENTALLY SPEAKING, IT WOULD BE DEPENDENT UPON THE LOADS OF THE APPARATUS. UM, I COULD SAY WITH A PRETTY HIGH DEGREE OF CONFIDENCE THAT YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT AN EIGHT, EIGHT INCH REINFORCED SLAB FOR THE FIRE APPARATUS BECAUSE, UH, A LADDER TRUCK OR A, A TANKER, UM, FULL OF WATER IS SIGNIFICANTLY HEAVIER, HEAVIER THEN THAT OF THE, UH, THE SPECIALIZED VEHICLES THAT POLICE HAS. I WOULD PROBABLY SPECULATE WITHOUT GETTING INTO THE DETAILED ENGINEERING, THAT THE APPARATUS BAY FOR THE POLICE WOULD PROBABLY BE CLOSER TO A SIX INCH SLAB. AND THE REMAINING FOR THE OCCUPIED AREAS MIGHT BE WHAT LA IN YOUR AREA, FOUR INCH SLAB. IT, IT REALLY DEPENDS ON WHAT, WHAT THE SOIL IS UNDERNEATH. BUT I'M NOT SURE IF YOUR QUESTION WAS ABOUT, UM, ROB, SPEAKING TO THE, THE WEIGHT, WAS YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE SEISMIC RESISTANCE? IT WAS MORE OF WHERE, JUST THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE POLICE, POLICE VEHICLES VERSUS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THEN THE SLAB? OR IS IT THE SAME? YEAH, THE SLAB HAS TO BE THE SAME. THAT'S ALL I WANT TO KNOW. YEP. BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'RE [02:10:01] TO SUPPORT THE DIFFERENT LIGHTS, BUT THE SAME MATERIAL. OKAY. OKAY. UM, I HAD A COUPLE OF QUICK EASY ONES. IF I, IF I COULD, UM, UH, WHAT'S THE, UM, LADDER TRUCK ROUTE THROUGH THE BUILDING? DOES, DOES IT, UH, I MEAN, I, I SEE THE EXIT POINT, BUT WHERE'S, UH, WHERE'S IT RETURN TO STATION CHIEF SHOCK? I DUNNO IF IT'D BE EASIER TO SHOW DESIGN, BUT IT IS A DRIVE THROUGH DESIGN WHERE IT WOULD BASICALLY DRIVE INTO THE MIDDLE OF THE SEA AND THEN PARK, DRIVE THROUGH THE STATION AND BE READY FOR RESPONSE OUT THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA. YEAH, I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHETHER THAT, UH, TURNING RADIUSS WERE ADEQUATE THERE. YOU KNOW, I TRUST ROB HAS IT ALL FIGURED OUT. YEP. ALL, ALL, ALL OF THE TURNING RADIUSS WERE CALCULATED AND THE APRONS ARE SIZED THAT, SO THAT THE TURN IS COMPLETED AND THE DRIVER IS BASICALLY POSITIONED ON THE APPARATUS IN A STRAIGHT IN, STRAIGHT OUT, SO THAT THEY'RE NOT TRYING TO DO ANY MANEUVERING OF THE VEHICLE WHEN THEY'RE PULLING INTO THE STATION. THEY'RE BASICALLY COMING STRAIGHT IN, STRAIGHT OUT. IS THAT A TWO DRIVER VEHICLE? NO, IT'S NOT. SO. OKAY. GOOD. YEAH. UM, THEN, UM, IN THE, UH, WOULD THE DEPARTMENTS USE SHARED DISPATCH OR SHARED DISPATCH FACILITY IN THIS CONCEPT? UH, CURRENTLY IT'S DESIGNED FOR JUST THE POLICE DISPATCH AS CURRENTLY EXISTS. UH, THE CITY OF PETALUMA AND THE MAJORITY OF FIRE AND EMS AGENCIES IN THE COUNTY ARE UNDER AJPA AGREEMENT FOR A JOINT DISPATCH CENTER THAT'S RUN OUT OF THE SHERIFF'S BUILDING CALLED REDCOM. AND WE WOULD CONTINUE WITH THAT. AND THAT'S ALSO, UM, BEING, WILL BE PAID FOR IF THE TAX MEASURE PASSES MARCH. SO FIRE HAS, FIRE HAS NO, UM, INDEPENDENT DISPATCH IN THIS PROPERTY? CORRECT. OKAY. THANKS. UH, BUT, BUT THERE IS REDUNDANCY AND WE, UH, POLICE DO HAVE ACCESS TO TOWERS THAT WE USE WITHIN THE CITY, AND IN A DISASTER CAN TAKE OVER THAT DISPATCHING CAPABILITY FOR US. THAT'S THE POLY CLASS LESSON. RIGHT. AND CHIEF, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S WORTH A COMMENT THAT THE EOC WOULD HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO SERVE AS A BACKUP ENVIRONMENT FOR THAT IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN. YEAH. GOOD POINT. UH, OKAY. WELL, LET'S GO TO THE EOC QUESTION. UH, WHAT'S THE UTILIZATION OF THE EOC? YOU KNOW, UM, 50 WEEKS OF THE YEAR, UH, FOR TRAINING AND, AND MEETINGS ON A DAY-TO-DAY USE, AND THEN FOR EMERGENCY RESPONSE, OBVIOUSLY WHEN YOU NEED IT. BUT THIS IS, THIS IS ONE OF THE EFFICIENCIES OF HAVING ALL THESE, UM, FUNCTIONS. CO-LOCATED FIRE, POLICE, AND EMERGENCY OPERATIONS ALL IN ONE BUILDING. THESE BY DAY, THESE ARE MEETING AND TRAINING ROOMS, AND BY EMERGENCY THEY FLIP USE. DID I SEE OTHER TRAINING ROOMS IN THE FIREHOUSE OR POLICE STATION? NO. UH, ON THE GROUND FLOOR, THERE'S A SMALL STUDY SLASH CONFERENCE ROOM AREA THAT WOULD ALSO POTENTIALLY BE ACCESSIBLE OFF OF THE LOBBY. UM, OTHER THAN THAT, YOU SAW THE KITCHEN, WHICH IS WHERE ALL OF THE WORLD'S PROBLEMS GET SOLVED IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. UM, AND THERE WERE SEVERAL SMALL MEETING SPACES, UH, A ROLL CALL ROOM, A MULTIPURPOSE ROOM FOR GENERAL TRAINING FOR PATROL. AND THEN, UM, THE INVESTIGATIONS BRIEFING ROOM, WHICH WOULD BE USED PREDOMINANTLY BY THIS, IS THIS IS A ROOM THAT WOULD REALLY BE SECURED FOR THE INVESTIGATORS AND THE DETECTIVES, BECAUSE TYPICALLY NON-PUBLIC AND SENSITIVE INFORMATION IS BEING SHARED AND RELEASED IN THAT ENVIRONMENT. UM, WHILE THE ACTIVE INVESTIGATIONS ARE ONGOING, BUT REALLY THESE, THESE SHARED SPACES KIND OF COME IN HERE. AND THEN, UM, THE EFFORT IN THE IMMEDIATE, UM, THAT'S AT THE POLICE STATION. UH, WILL THAT ADD ANY SQUARE FOOTAGE TO THE, UM, BUILDING THERE? YEAH, YEAH. WE'RE ANTICIPATING IT TO PROVIDE QUITE, QUITE A INFLUX OF SPACE, BOTH FROM THE REMOVAL OF THE TEMPORARY HOLDING FACILITIES THAT HAVE BEEN DECOMMISSIONED. WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, EXPANDING OUR LOCKER ROOMS, UM, FOR BOTH MEN AND WOMEN AND MODERNIZING THOSE AND GOING OVER INTO THAT SPACE. BUT THEN WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT REMODELING, UH, THE CURRENT EXISTING EOC TRAINING ROOM, AND THEN PUSHING THE, UH, NORTH WALL OF THE BUILDING TO BEYOND THE, UM, THE ATRIUM OR SO THAT NORTH OVERHANG. SO THERE IS GONNA BE A SIZABLE INCREASE OF OFFICE SPACE, WHICH WE, UH, CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO ONBOARD ANY ADDITIONAL STAFF BECAUSE WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOWHERE TO PUT THEM. AND SO WE'RE HOPING TO, UH, CREATE SOME OFFICE AND WORKSTATIONS AS WELL AS ADDRESS THE INADEQUATE WORKSTATIONS THAT WE HAVE SOME CURRENT EMPLOYEES, UM, WORKING OUT OF RIGHT NOW. CAN YOU BALLPARK WHAT YOU'RE GAINING? ARE YOU GAINING LIKE A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OR, YOU KNOW, DO, DO YOU HAVE THAT NUMBER AT ALL? UH, I DON'T HAVE THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE ENVISIONING, UH, YOU KNOW, ABOUT FOUR OFFICES, UM, AT LEAST [02:15:01] TO BE, UH, ADDED ON THAT NORTH WALL ALONG THAT, THAT, UM, PERIMETER, UM, AREA, WHICH WOULD BE SIZABLE. I THINK MOST OF THE OFFICES THAT WE HAVE BEEN SPECKING OUT ARE EIGHT TO EIGHT BY 10. UM, SO IT'D BE APPROXIMATELY ABOUT THAT. THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE IS YOU'RE ESTIMATING. THANKS. THANK YOU. UM, THE FIRE STATION, THE EXISTING FIRE STATIONS, IF, UH, WHEN WE RETROFIT EACH OF THEM, ARE THEY ANTICIPATED TO STAY IN FULL SERVICE DURING THE, UH, RETROFIT PERIODS? GREAT QUESTION. ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE IMPORTANCE OF IMPORTANT THINGS ABOUT THIS MASTER PLAN IS WE'VE, EVEN WITH, EVEN WITH SOME FUNDING NOW, WE'RE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO FIRST. WE DON'T WANNA DO A FULL REMODEL OF A BATHROOM AT ONE FIRE STATION IF IN THREE YEARS WE'RE GONNA DO A FULL REMODEL OR REPLACEMENT. AND WE'VE HAD CHALLENGES, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD MEASURE U FOR A WHILE, AND I WAS LIKE, BOY, THIS PLACE NEEDS TO BE PAINTED. WE NEED TO DO SOME THINGS. WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE ANOTHER GENDER BATHROOM? UM, AND SO THIS HAS GIVEN US THOSE OPPORTUNITIES TO SAY, WE CAN'T MAYBE FUND THAT FULL LIST THAT WAS SHOWN, BUT WE CAN PRIORITIZE SO THAT WE CAN MAKE THOSE IMPACTS ON THE OTHER FIRE STATIONS KNOWING THAT, THAT WE MIGHT BE LIVING WITH THOSE FOR 10 OR 15 MORE YEARS, BUT WE CAN, WE CAN GET IT BETTER THAN IT IS TODAY. SO TO ANSWER YOUR, THANKS FOR LETTING ME GO ON A TANGENT ON THAT, BUT, UM, FOR RIGHT NOW, WE, WE DON'T KNOW AND STATED, IF WE'RE GONNA, I WOULD LOVE TO KEEP OUR CURRENT FIRE STATION AT 1 98 D STREET AS A FIRE STATION, BUT NOT AS A HEADQUARTERS, JUST A FIRE STATION. IT HAS THE CAPACITY TO DO THAT, IT HAS THE SIZE TO DO THAT. I'D LOVE TO KEEP IT A HISTORICAL FIRE STATION AND NOT REPLACE IT AND PUT IT SOMEWHERE ELSE. UM, EITHER WAY, WE, WE ARE PUTTING TOGETHER SOME CONTINGENCY PLANS ON, UM, WE'LL BE NOTIFYING THE COUNCIL SOON ON SOME, SOME PROGRESS WE'VE BEEN MAKING, BUT THE SITE AT 3 0 7 BOULEVARD SOUTH AND HOW WE CAN USE THAT AS POTENTIALLY TEMPORARY QUARTERS, WHETHER THAT'S IF WE GET THE SAFER GRANT AND GET THREE YEARS OF FUNDING TO STAFF THE LADDER TRUCK, OR WHETHER THAT'S DURING A 1 98 D STREET REMODEL, AND HOW, HOW WE CAN DO THAT. UM, FOR STATIONS TWO AND THREE, THOSE PROJECTS ARE MOST LIKELY 10 TO 15 YEARS OUT FOR SIGNIFICANT, UM, UPGRADES OR, OR REPLACEMENT. AND WE DON'T HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE FOR THAT. UM, BUT WE DO NEED TO DO SOME SHORT-TERM, UH, FIXES THAT'LL GET US THROUGH THE EXTRA 10 OR 15 YEARS THAT WE CAN INHABIT THE FIRE STATIONS WHILE THOSE BATHROOMS ARE BEING IMPROVED AND, AND OTHER ITEMS ARE DONE. THANKS. UM, SO, UH, RIGHT NOW YOU'RE ASKING US TO APPROVE A CONTRACT FOR, UH, DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT. AND, UM, THIS IS THREE YEARS OUT. WHY ARE YOU LUMPING CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT INTO THIS RFP AND AT THIS TIME? YEAH, SO AT THIS TIME, WE'RE ASKING THE COUNCIL TO, UH, DIRECT STAFF TO PREPARE AN RFP TO GO OUT TO FIND A DESIGN FIRM AS WELL AS PROJECT MANAGEMENT FIRM. UH, I WOULD, IS IT PROJECT MANAGEMENT OR CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT? YEAH, I WOULD SAY IT'S NOT CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT AT THIS POINT. IT'S PROJECT MANAGEMENT TO CONTINUE SHEPHERDING THIS PROJECT, UM, BEYOND STAFF'S CAPACITY TO CONTINUE DOING THAT. THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A VERY LARGE, UH, FACILITY PROJECT THAT, UH, WE DON'T UNDERTAKE EVERY YEAR. AND SO WE WANT SOME SPECIALIZED ASSISTANCE TO HELP US MANAGE THIS PROJECT MOVING FORWARD. OKAY. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I'M LOOKING AT IT, YOU HAVE IT WRITTEN IN THE RESOLUTION AS PROJECT MANAGEMENT. YEP. AND SOMEWHERE I GOT C I'M IN MY HEAD. UM, SO, UM, GOOD. AND, UM, WHAT HAVE WE DONE TO, UM, UH, ENGAGE THE, UH, HEALTHY DEMOCRACY COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDER GROUP TO TELL 'EM THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE MOVING AHEAD WITH PARTS OF THE VISION NOW? WE HAVEN'T DONE SPECIFIC OUTREACH YET, BUT, UM, AS A PART OF THE MASTER PLANNING OF THE OVERALL FAIRGROUND SITE, UH, ESPECIALLY IF WE ARE TO RECEIVE THE GRANT, THEY WOULD BE, THEY WOULD FACTOR HEAVILY, I BELIEVE, IN THE OVERALL PUBLIC OUTREACH PROCESS. AND I SHOULD JUST ADD ON THAT PART OF THE STRATEGIC GROWTH COUNCIL REQUIREMENT IS FOR A ROBUST PUBLIC OUTREACH COMPONENT, WHICH WE'VE ALREADY OBVIOUSLY KICKED OFF WITH THE INITIAL HEALTHY DEMOCRACY PROCESS, AND THAT WOULD CONTINUE BOTH WITH 'EM AS WELL AS OUR NONPROFITS AND THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE MOVING FORWARD. RIGHT. BUT TONIGHT'S RESOLUTION WOULD PRETTY MUCH LOCK US INTO A SITE AND, AND DEFINE THE PATH FORWARD. IT WOULD BE SELECTING THE SITE, AND I, I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, ROB AND LAURA MAY WEIGH IN MORE ON THIS, BUT KNOWING THE SITE IS CRITICAL FOR MOVING THE DESIGN FORWARD. AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE NOT JUST DESIGNING A THEORETICAL FIRE STATION. WE WANT TO, TO BE VERY SPECIFIC TO THE SITE AS WELL AS, FOR EXAMPLE, [02:20:01] THE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS THAT MAY BE NEEDED TO GET IN AND OUT OF THE FIRE STATIONS. THOSE ARE OBVIOUSLY VERY SITE SPECIFIC AT THIS POINT. THE, THE FIRE TAX IT'S ON FOR MARCH, AND HOW MANY YEARS IS THE TAX GOOD FOR? SO THE, THE TAX HAS NO SUNSET CLAUSE AND CURRENTLY THERE'S 1.3 MILLION PER YEAR ALLOCATED TOWARDS FUNDING FOR FACILITIES. UH, SO $40 MILLION OVER 30 YEARS, OR IT COULD BE BONDED AGAINST. MM-HMM. . RIGHT. AND, UH, I THINK YOU PRESENTED BEFORE WHAT THE TOTAL REVENUE OP OPPORTUNITY IS FOR PETALUMA AND HOW MUCH YOU WANTED TO PUT INTO THE OPERATING COST VERSUS CAPITAL COST. YES. SO, UH, YES, FOUR BASED ON 60 MILLION IN REVENUE, IT'S JUST OVER 4.3 MILLION IN DIRECT, UH, REVENUE TO THE CITY. ANOTHER $350,000 BENEFIT THAT'LL BE COVERED IN THE DISPATCH FEES WE'RE CURRENTLY PAYING THAT WE WON'T HAVE TO. AND A FEW OTHER, UH, OPERATIONAL BENEFITS, UH, ABOUT HALF OF THAT FUNDING WILL FUND THE NINE PERSONNEL REQUIRED TO STAFF THE LADDER TRUCK AT THAT FACILITY, AND THEN THE 1.3, UH, FOR THE FACILITY ITSELF, UH, TO BOND TOWARDS. AND THEN THERE'S, UM, A FEW OTHER STAFF POSITIONS, SUPPORTS, POSITIONS, UH, INCLUDED IN THAT AS WELL. OKAY. UM, THANKS. IT, IT, I AM, UM, LOOKING AT ALL THE NUMBERS AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, UM, HOW WE GET WHAT WE NEED AND, AND, AND, UM, AND THEN WHICH ONE'S THE MOST IMPORTANT TO SPEND THE MONEY ON FIRST? IT'S NICE THAT YOU BRING CASH TO THE PARTY . UM, WELL, I REMEMBER, I REMEMBER COUNCIL MEMBER HEATLEY ASKING HOW WE'RE GONNA PAY FOR IT WHEN WE BROUGHT FORWARD OUR CPSM RECOMMENDATIONS, BECAUSE A LOT OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE ANALYSIS WERE ABOUT STAFFING AN ADDITIONAL PARAMEDIC RESOURCE, FIRE RESOURCE. IT WAS ABOUT MOVING THE LADDER TRUCK TO THE CENTER OF TOWN. IT WAS HAVING BETTER COVERAGE FOR WHEN 10% OF OUR CALLS ARE OCCURRING ACROSS TOWN, WHEN THAT UNIT'S ALREADY NOT AVAILABLE, AND HAVING TO RESPOND ACROSS TOWN. SO THIS IS, I THINK IT COVERS ABOUT FIVE OF OUR TOP 10 PRIORITIES WITH OUR DISCUSSION TONIGHT. IN THE, IN THE, UH, CP REPORT, THEY, UM, ASKED YOU TO LOOK AGAIN AT, UH, RESPONSE TIMES. UH, HOW ARE OUR RESPONSE TIMES? UH, THEY'RE, OUR, OUR, OUR STATIONS ARE IDEALLY LOCATED IF THEY'RE ALWAYS AVAILABLE FOR AN EMERGENCY. AND AS CALLS HAVE CONTINUED TO INCREASE WHERE, WHERE THE OUTLIERS WE'RE SEEING ARE FOR THOSE CROSS TOWN, WE TRY TO GET PLACES ABOUT FIVE OR SIX MINUTES, BUT THOSE ARE PUSHING OUT TO EIGHT OR NINE MINUTES. IF WE HAD AN INCIDENT HERE IN THE FIRE STATION ON SOUTH MCDOWELL WAS HAVING TO RESPOND HERE. UM, SO THEY'RE, THEY'VE BEEN, THEY'VE BEEN WAVERING. AND THAT'S THE IMPORTANCE ISN'T JUST PUTTING ANOTHER FIRE STATION AT 3 0 7 BOULEVARD SOUTH. IT REALLY IS HAVING THAT, THAT CENTER FIRE STATION THAT WILL HELP. AND THEN THAT, AND THEN THAT RECOMMENDATION SPECIFICALLY WAS ABOUT THE TURNOUT TIMES THAT, UH, WE ARE RIGHT ON THAT CUSP OF 60 SECONDS. SOMETIMES WE'RE A LITTLE OVER, SOMETIMES A LITTLE LESS. WE'VE IMPLEMENTED NEW TECHNOLOGIES TO INCREASE THE TIMINGS OF OUR ALERTING. UH, BY THE TIME SOMEBODY GETS A CALL TO THE DISPATCH CENTER AND WE ACTUALLY GET ALERTED THERE'S, THERE'S FIVE TO 10 SECONDS CAN EXIST IN THERE. AND WE'VE, WE'VE INVESTED IN NEW TECHNOLOGY TO BETTER TRACK THAT AND IMPROVE THAT. BUT THEN DOING THINGS THAT ROB HAS DISCUSSED ABOUT BEING CLOSER, YOU KNOW, TO WHERE THE APPARATUS ARE FOR RESPONSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT AS WE DO NEW CONSTRUCTION OR REDESIGN, WE'LL TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION TO HELP IMPROVE THOSE. I'M GONNA LOBBY ANOTHER. SO WOULD YOU DESCRIBE THE NEW STATION AS, UM, A RESILIENCE, UH, A ROBUSTNESS, UM, CHANGE OR SOMETHING ESSENTIAL TO OUR, UM, REPORTING? SO I LOVE HYUNDAIS, BUT, UM, BUT THIS IS, THIS IS NOT A CADILLAC. UM, I THINK WE, WE NEED A FLEET OF 10 CARS AND WE DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GONNA AFFORD 'EM ALL. I'LL TRY TO GET TOO OFF, TOO OFF THERE. IT'S, IT'S AN ESSENTIAL SERVICE THAT IS BUILT OUT FOR 50 YEARS, UH, DAY ONE UPON BEING BUILT. IT CAN HOUSE OUR LADDER TRUCK. IT CAN ALSO, BUT IT HAS A CAPACITY TO UPS STAFF. WHEN WE UPST STAFF A FIRE ENGINE, FIREFIGHTERS AREN'T COMPACTED INTO CLOSETS. THEY'RE, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE DORM SPACE DURING WINTER, WINTER STORM OR RED FLAG UP STAFFING. UM, AND, BUT THERE'S ALSO POTENTIAL, AS ROBIN MENTIONED, WITH CHANGE IN THE FITNESS ROOMS AS THINGS CHANGE, LOOKING AT DESIGNING THEM IN WAYS THAT THAT SPACE CAN ADAPT AND EXPAND AS THE NEEDS IN THE COMMUNITY. UH, IT'S, IT HAS A POTENTIAL TO EXPAND OUT WITH THE SAME FOOTPRINT, BUT, BUT ADJUSTMENTS AND BUILD OUTS AS TIME GOES ON TO NOT ONLY HOUSE A LADDER TRUCK, UH, AS SOON AS IT'S BUILT, BUT STAFF AN ADDITIONAL ENGINE, WHETHER IT'S RED FLAG OR OTHERWISE PERMANENT, AND THEN AN ADDITIONAL AMBULANCE. YEAH, I, I ASK THAT. 'CAUSE I, I DON'T WANNA SAY THAT THIS IS NECESSARY 'CAUSE OF THE LADDER TRUCK. I WANNA SAY IT'S NECESSARY 'CAUSE OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE ESSENTIAL SERVICE REQUIREMENTS. SO [02:25:01] IT IS ESSENTIAL. AND WE, WE USE SAN RAFAEL AS AN EXAMPLE OF A, MAINLY BECAUSE IT WAS A PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY THAT WAS JOINT THAT WAS RECENTLY COMPLETED. SO THAT WAS A GREAT EXAMPLE FOR US. I THINK, UM, CITIES LIKE SAN RAFAEL AND NOVA ARE ALSO GREAT EXAMPLES IN WAYS THE CITY OF SAN RAFAEL HAS, I BELIEVE IT'S SIX FIRE STATIONS. THE CITY OF NEVADA HAS FIVE, WE HAVE THREE. UM, AND SO, SO HAVING THOSE COMPARISONS, AND WE CAN, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR CITY HAS INCREASED THE NUMBER OF CALL VOLUMES INCREASED OUR POPULATION, BUT SINCE WE HAVEN'T SPREAD OUT, WE HAVEN'T EXPANDED OUR FIRE FACILITIES TO KEEP UP WITH THE DEMAND. AND SO THIS IS, THIS IS ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL. AND 10% OF CALLS ARE BEING HANDLED FROM A UNIT, A 9 1 1 RESOURCE FROM ACROSS TOWN. I, THAT, THAT DOES NOT FEEL THE GOOD, GOOD TO ME AS YOUR FIRE CHIEF. AND I WANT, I WANT TO FIX THAT. AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S WHY THAT'S A PRIORITY TO GET THAT IN PLACE SO WE CAN DO ALL THE THINGS THAT CPSM RECOMMENDED. AND THEN IF WE CAN DO BATHROOM REMODELS OR OTHER THINGS TO HELP WITH OUR WORKFORCE DIVERSITY, WE'LL GET THERE. WE CAN MAKE IT BETTER WITHOUT $40 MILLION WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA, BUT WE NEED TO HAVE THAT PLAN IN PLACE SO WE CAN START PICKING AWAY AT THOSE THINGS. THAT MAKES SENSE WHEN THEY MAKE SENSE. SO, APPRECIATE THE SOFTBALL. LET ME KEEP GOING. OKAY. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER POKAY. THANKS. I I JUST HAD ONE COMMENT. I, I'M, I'M WONDERING, I CAN'T BELIEVE I HAVEN'T HEARD THIS ALREADY, BUT, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF PARKING THERE, 130 YACHT SPACES I THINK I HEARD. AND IF IT'S GONNA BE 11 YEARS TILL WE GET TO PHASE THREE OR THEREABOUTS, UH, THAT'S PAST 2030. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE'LL HAVE EVERYONE EITHER ON SOME KIND OF TRANSIT DEMAND MANAGEMENT OR, OR ELECTRIC BIKES. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL? GOOD, THEN, UM, I'D, UH, I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION, UH, CERTAINLY ROBUST AND IN DEPTH, AND I'D LIKE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD ON, UH, THIS ITEM. AND, UM, IF YOU DO WISH TO HA UH, MAKE A COMMENT, BE SURE TO GET YOUR CARD IN UP FRONT. AND LET'S SEE, UH, CAN I ASK OUR CITY CLERK IF WE'VE HAD ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS, UH, EMAILS IN TO US? WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT TO THIS ITEM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'D LIKE OUR MODERATOR TO, UH, READ OUR MESSAGING FOR THE EVENING. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ATTENDING IN PERSON SHOULD BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY'VE NOT ALREADY DONE SO. SPEAKERS ARE REMINDED TO BE RESPECTFUL IN THEIR COMMENTS. AND THAT THIS MEETING IS BEING TRANSLATED. PLEASE PAUSE BETWEEN SENTENCES FOR TRANSLATION. COUNTDOWN WILL APPEAR FOR THE CONVENIENCE OF THE SPEAKER AND VIEWERS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I, UH, HAVE ONE CARD FROM THE PUBLIC AND IN THE, THE, UH, CHAMBERS AND I SEE NO ONE STANDING AND WALKING FURTHER FORWARD. SO I'D LIKE TO INVITE JOHN HANIA TO SPEAK. GOOD EVENING. WELL, THIS IS, UH, VERY GOOD NEWS. IT'S BEEN LONG TIME IN THE MAKING. UM, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING HERE IS PUBLIC SAFETY AND PETALUMA, IT NEEDS DEFINITELY TO IMPROVE THEIR FACILITY. THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. UM, YOU OWE THE COMMUNITY THAT YOU OWE THAT TO YOUR STAFF. I HEARD MR. HEALY MENTIONED CADILLAC AND THE HONDA. WELL, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, YOU'RE TRYING TO RECRUIT PEOPLE. BUT WHAT YOU ARE OFFERING IS THE HONDA WHERE OTHER NEIGHBORING CITY ARE GIVEN THE ESCALADE OR THE TESLA, YOU KNOW, AND, YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY YOU ARE LOSING WHEN YOU HIRE A NEW PERSON AND THEY SPEND 18 WEEKS IN TRAINING, BUT AFTER THE TRAINING AND AFTER THEY SPEND A YEAR IN HERE, OKAY, THEY GO SOMEWHERE ELSE BECAUSE THEY HAVE MUCH BETTER OPPORTUNITIES BETWEEN FACILITY AND RETIREMENT. SO IN THE LONG RUN, YOU PAYING FOR MORE THAN THE CADILLAC, BUT YOU ARE GETTING THE HONDA. SO YOU NEED TO PUT THAT IN THE EQUATION. AND I HEARD SO MANY, UH, MENTION ABOUT THE CITY OF SAN RAFAEL. I FREQUENTLY GO DOWN THERE AND IT'S A BEAUTIFUL FACILITY, AND I THINK EACH ONE OF YOU SHOULD GO AND SEE IT. OKAY? AND IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT NOT TO LOOK AT HOW MUCH IT'S GONNA COST. YOU NEED TO LOOK TO HOW MUCH SAFETY TO EACH INDIVIDUAL IN PETALUMA. IT'S WORTH WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DOLLAR, OKAY? YOU CAN'T PUT A DOLLAR SIGN ON A HUMAN SAFETY. THAT'S WHEN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHEN IT COMES TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, I DO AGREE WITH THE CHIEF. I THINK THE STATION ON D STREET, IT SHOULD REMAIN STATIONED WHENEVER YOU HAVE AN EVENT IN PETALUMA. OKAY? THOSE DOORS ARE ROLLED UP. YOU HAVE MAJOR, UH, PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, OKAY? AND THAT BUILDING, IT'S [02:30:01] A VERY IMPORTANT BUILDING. IT'S IN HISTORIC FOR PETALUMA. AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK YOU GUYS NEED TO APPROVE IT. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, HOW MANY CITY MANAGER HAVE WE GONE THROUGH? AND WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT IT. HOW MANY, UH, POLICE CHIEF, I THINK I'VE, I'VE GONE THROUGH SEVEN CITY MANAGERS, SIX OR SEVEN. HE, THE POLICE CHIEF IS NUMBER SEVEN TODAY. YOU KNOW, THE FIRE CHIEF WILL BE, YOU GUYS BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS SINCE CHRIS ALBERTSON WAS A FIRE CHIEF. SO LET'S, LET'S GET IT GOING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND SEEING NO OTHER SPEAKERS OR CARDS, UH, THAT CLOSES PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE EVENING, AND, UM, BRINGING IT BACK UP HERE FOR, FOR, UH, CONVERSATION. UM, I THINK, UM, MY PERSONAL GREATEST DISAPPOINTMENT IS WE CAN'T, UH, GET MORE DONE MORE QUICK. UH, I AM CONFLICTED ABOUT THE, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT BEING PUT OUT INTO THE FUTURE BECAUSE WITHOUT IDENTIFIED FUNDING SOURCE FUTURE LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T SEE THAT THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. AND I HATE SEEING A PART OF A PLAN THAT DOESN'T HAVE A PLAN. UH, I HAVE OTHER COMMENTS, BUT LET ME, UH, CROSS THE DIOCESE. COUNCILMAN BARNACLE. UM, SO I WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU ARE MAKING DUE. I'VE SEEN YOUR FACILITIES AND YOU DO NEED TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS. UM, AND SO I'LL ABSOLUTELY BE SUPPORTING THE IMMEDIATE IMPROVEMENTS THAT, UM, ARE RECOMMENDED. UM, THEY'RE LONG OVERDUE AND, UM, IT'S THE LEAST WE CAN DO TONIGHT. UM, AND AS LONG AS I'M ON THE COUNCIL, I'LL BE DOING WHAT I CAN TO HELP GIVE YOU THE FACILITIES YOU DESERVE. UM, AND THAT YOU NEED. I ALSO ASK, WITH THAT SAID THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THIS SITE IN PARTICULAR, THAT EVERY SQUARE FOOT OF EMPTY VACANT PARKING LOT IS GONNA BE A CONTENTIOUS ISSUE IN OUR CITY. AND, UM, IN THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, WE, UM, WE GAVE DIRECTION TO LOOK AT TALLER, UM, GOING UP. UM, WE ARE SQUEEZING PARKING FROM PLACES IN THE CITY. WE'RE LOOKING AT AN OVERLAY IN OUR DOWNTOWN. UM, AND THIS DOES IT, IT FEELS LIKE, UM, WE'RE NOT, UM, HOLDING OURSELVES TO THE SAME STANDARDS THAT WE'RE PUTTING THE REST OF THE, OR THE REST OF THE, THE CITY TO, WITH RESPECT TO SPACE UTILIZATION, UM, LAND UTILIZATION IN PARTICULAR, UM, THE, THE, WHAT WE SAW IN THE DESIGN, UM, DOESN'T MEET THE CRITERIA FOR, UM, URBAN CHARACTER. IT DOESN'T MEET. UM, UH, FROM MY VIEW, WHEN I, WHEN I SAW THIS, UM, MY INITIAL REACTION AND I'M, I'M GLAD THAT I LISTENED TO THE, THE PRESENTATION AND, UM, UM, MY BLOOD PRESSURE WAS ABLE TO COME DOWN BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, GETTING AN EXTRA 50 FEET AWAY FROM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT LIKE SPACE UTILIZATION, EFFICIENCY, UM, AND HEARING, YOU KNOW, RISKS AND, YOU KNOW, INJURIES FROM POLES AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, LIKE, UH, WITHOUT HAVING A LOT MORE INFORMATION, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA NEED TO MAKE A DECISION ON THIS, UM, WE'RE NOT GONNA COME BACK WITH A DESIGN AND JUST GIVE YOU A BIG RUBBER STAMP TO DO THAT. I LIKE, WE WANNA SEE THE ALTERNATIVES, THE TRADE-OFFS. UM, AND, UM, I, UH, I ENCOURAGE US TO CONTINUE TO BE, UM, CREATIVE IN THE WAY THAT WE THINK ABOUT THIS. UM, SIMILAR TO THE MAYOR, I, UM, IT FEELS LIKE THE, THE POLICE STATION GETTING PUSHED OUT FEELS LIKE A REALLY MISSED OPPORTUNITY. AND THAT'S WHY, UM, YOU KNOW, I KEEP TRYING TO PUSH TO SEE WHAT MORE WE CAN DO ON THAT FRONT. UM, I DEFINITELY WANT TO SEE, UM, DESIGNS WITH THE, UM, QUARTERS ABOVE THE, UM, THE BAYS. UM, I DEFINITELY WANT TO SEE ALL OF THE THINGS THAT COULD BE ON A SECOND FLOOR, ON THE SECOND FLOOR. UM, THE VISITOR PARKING, I'M NOT AWARE THAT WE HAVE MUCH VISITOR PARKING RIGHT NOW AT OUR EXISTING FACILITIES. FIRE STATION ONE, NOT MUCH VISITOR PARKING. UM, THERE'S, AND YET WE HAVE LIKE 30 PARKING SPACES IN FRONT OF IT, AND THERE'S A GIANT PARKING LOT RIGHT AROUND THERE. UM, I THINK WE CAN GET RID OF THAT, AND I THINK WE CAN BRING THE, THE FRONTAGE OF THE FACILITY UP TO JOHNSON STREET [02:35:01] AND GIVE IT SOME CHARACTER. UM, HAVE SOME, YOU KNOW, A LOADING ZONE IN THE FRONT OR WHATEVER, UH, YOU KNOW, 24 MINUTE PARKING OR WHATEVER THE HECK IT IS. AND LONG, YOU KNOW, LONG-TERM VISITOR PARKING CAN GO TO THE REST OF THE VACANT PARKING LOT THAT'S THERE. UM, THAT'S WHAT PART OF WHAT SPACE UTILIZATION SHOULD BE, IS JUST MOVING EVERYTHING AND TRYING TO GET IT THERE. UM, I, UM, YEAH, I WAS, UH, I'LL SAY I'M REALLY EXCITED TO SEE THIS MOVE FORWARD AND TO PUSH IT FORWARD. I, I'M ALSO, I WAS REALLY DISAPPOINTED TO SEE, UM, THAT THE, THE DIRECTION WE GAVE TO REALLY EXPLORE DIFFERENT U UTILIZATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT WERE NOT BROUGHT BACK TO US. UM, IT DIDN'T FEEL LIKE WE WERE LISTENED TO. UM, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS FEEL, BUT THAT'S HOW I, UM, THAT'S HOW I FEEL FOR SURE. UM, AND SO, UM, I'M HAPPY TO, TO SHARE MORE OFFLINE WITH MY FEEDBACK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW THIS COULD BE, YOU KNOW, BROUGHT, YOU KNOW, DESIGN. BUT I, I THINK IN GENERAL, IT'S, UM, YOU GOTTA LOOK, YOU KNOW, IT'S 55 ACRES, IT'S 4.8 ACRES, IT'S ONLY 9% OF THE SITE. BUT THIS IS, UM, A REALLY IMPORTANT SITE TO OUR CITY. UM, AND LIKE, IT'S NOT ONLY LIKE THESE ARE $2 MILLION AN ACRE, THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, UM, THAT'S $2 MILLION AN ACRE THAT WE COULD DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH. UM, AND WE'RE, WE'RE DEDICATING IT TO YOU AND WE WANT IT TO BE FOR YOU. WE WANT IT TO BE FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, BUT, UM, THIS IS, UH, IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA TAKE LIGHTLY. I CERTAINLY, THE DESIGN THAT WAS THERE WITH THE INFORMATION THAT I'VE BEEN PROVIDED, UM, I WOULDN'T VOTE TO SUPPORT MOVING FORWARD WITH A CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT FOR THAT. UM, SO I, I JUST REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO, UM, TAKE WHAT WE'RE SAYING SERIOUSLY, BECAUSE, UM, THIS IS A MAJOR SENSITIVE ISSUE IN OUR CITY DOING SOMETHING. WE'RE, WE'RE EMBARKING ON A MASTER PLANNING PROCESS FOR THE WHOLE CITY, FOR THE WHOLE FAIRGROUNDS, AND YET WE'RE CARVING OFF A PIECE OF THE, THE FAIRGROUNDS RIGHT NOW FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, AND I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT. UM, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S ON US. WE HAVE TO BE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE PUBLIC. WE ALL ARE TOGETHER, WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME TEAM, AND I'M ASKING YOU TO PLEASE, UM, JUST, UH, SERIOUSLY, I I, WE, WE NEED YOU TO, TO SHARPEN THE PENCIL, SHRINK THE, THE AMOUNT OF SPACE THAT WE'RE PUTTING HERE AND, UM, THINK ABOUT WAYS THAT WE CAN BE MORE EFFICIENT WITH OUR SPACE. SO, THANK YOU MR. MAYOR, DO YOU MIND IF I JUST RESPOND TO THAT FOR A SECOND PLEASE? THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO REFLECT, UM, ON THE FEEDBACK AND, UH, LET THE COUNCIL KNOW THAT WE DO HEAR YOU. WE DO UNDERSTAND. UM, AND THIS FIRST ROUND OF THIS EXERCISE WAS NOT REALLY A DESIGN, IT WAS A SPACE PLANNING EXERCISE, BUT WE, WE DO HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR AND, UH, WE, AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DESIGN, WE'LL ABSOLUTELY BE LOOKING AT ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT WAYS TO COMPRESS THE FOOTPRINT, UH, TO GO UP IN HEIGHT IF WE CAN, TO LOOK AT THE PARKING AND HOW THAT'S MOST EFFICIENTLY LAID OUT. SO WE ABSOLUTELY WILL BE LOOKING AT ALL THOSE THINGS MOVING FORWARD. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, ANYONE ELSE? UH, WANNA WEIGH IN? I'LL JUST WEIGH IN QUICK. UM, VICE MAYOR CATER THOMPSON. UM, I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE ABOUT ALL OF HIS COMMENTS. AND I DID, YOU KNOW, WITH, UM, CHIEF SCHROCK WENT, YOU KNOW, TO ALL THE SITES AND I, THE UPGRADES TO ME ARE VERY IMPORTANT. UM, THOSE ARE REALLY OLD FACILITIES AND THEY REALLY NEED TO BE UPDATED, AND I'M HOPING THAT THAT ACTUALLY GETS EXPEDITED. SO IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, 15 YEARS OUT. AND WITH THE POLICE STATION, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WERE THERE THE OTHER DAY FOR, UM, CHIEF ANOS, YOU KNOW, EVENT, THAT PLACE IS JUST PACKED AND IT'S EVEN MORE PACKED THAN WHEN I TOOK A TOUR OF IT. 'CAUSE THEY'RE LIKE MAKING A SPACE IN AN AREA AND JUST PUTTING A DESK THERE. AND IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF A, OF AN AREA WHERE YOU WALK FROM ONE DOOR TO ANOTHER. I MEAN, SO THESE FACILITIES HAVE NEEDED UPGRADING FOR WHEN I WAS ON THE COUNCIL. I MEAN, THAT WAS A LONG TIME AGO. AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE STILL THE SAME FACILITIES IN THE SAME CONDITION. AND SO I AGREE, I'D LIKE YOU TO SHARPEN YOUR PENCILS AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO, UM, REDUCE THE FOOTPRINT. UM, BUT I ALSO REALLY WANNA MOVE FORWARD. UM, AND I AM DISAPPOINTED THAT A POLICE STATION IS GONNA BE PUSHED BACK. AND [02:40:01] IT JUST SEEMS AS THOUGH IF WE GO VERTICAL, MAYBE WE COULD, I REALIZE EVERYBODY ALWAYS KEEPS SAYING IT'S MORE AND MORE, MORE MONEY. UM, BUT IT JUST SEEMS MORE EFFICIENT. UM, AND SO I'M HAPPY TO MOVE THIS, MOVE THIS ITEM , RIGHT? COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY. THANK YOU. SO I CONCUR WITH A LOT OF WHAT HAS BEEN SAID, UM, BY MY COLLEAGUES. UM, CERTAINLY OUR PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES HAVE BEEN INADEQUATE SINCE I FIRST CAME ON BOARD 25 YEARS AGO. UM, AND IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO MAKE SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS. UM, BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST, UH, A NEW FIRE STATION IN THE EOC DO LOOK LIKE THEY'RE ACHIEVABLE IN THE NEAR TERM. UM, ONE MINOR COMMENT THAT KIND OF FOLLOWS FROM THAT IS THAT, UH, SINCE WE DON'T HAVE, SO SINCE THE, UM, UH, STATION FOUR CAN BE BUILT IN THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE, BUT THE NEW POLICE STATION PROBABLY CANNOT BE ANYTIME SOON, UM, WOULD BE TO FLIP THE TWO BUILDINGS, UM, JUST TO DO A MIRROR IMAGE OF THEM AND PUT THE FIRE STATION CLOSER TO THE CORNER OF, UM, JOHNSON DRIVE IN KENNELWORTH. AND THAT WAY WE'RE CHEWING UP LESS OF THE FAIRGROUND SITE FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS. UM, AND SO, UM, YEAH, I'D JUST SAY DO, DO THE MIRROR IMAGE, UM, AND, AND FLIP THE TWO SO THAT WE'RE NOT TAKING AWAY ALL 175 PARKING SPACES ALL AT ONCE. UM, BUT FOR ME, THE BIGGEST PROBLEM, THE BIGGEST STUMBLING POINT IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL BE TAKING OVER, UM, CONTROL OF THE FAIRGROUNDS IN FIVE WEEKS. UM, AND WE'VE PROMISED THE COMMUNITY A MASTER PLAN FOR THE FAIRGROUNDS, AND NOW WE'RE CARVING OFF 4.8 ACRES, 9% OF THE FAIRGROUNDS SITE FOR NON-PAR USES. UM, AND WITHOUT DOING A MASTER PLAN FOR THE ENTIRE SITE, I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS IS THE RIGHT PART OF THE FAIRGROUNDS TO PUT THIS ON. UM, NONE OF US KNOW THAT IT'S KIND OF THE MOST CONVENIENT RIGHT NOW, UM, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING THERE. BUT IN TERMS OF WHAT WE ULTIMATELY WANT THE FAIRGROUNDS SITE TO LOOK LIKE, I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS IS WHERE WE'D WANNA PUT IT. AND I JUST DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN MAKE THIS DECISION, UM, AND TELL THE COMMUNITY THAT WE WANNA BE GOOD STEWARDS FOR THE FAIRGROUNDS PROPERTY IF WE'RE PROCEEDING LIKE THIS AND, YOU KNOW, CHEWING OFF 9% OF THE SITE WITHOUT DOING A MASTER PLAN WITH COMMUNITY INPUT. SO, UM, SO, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT REASON, I'M NOT GONNA SUPPORT THE, UM, THE RESOLUTION TONIGHT. UM, AND, UH, I, I WISH I COULD, BUT I, I JUST THINK WE'RE GETTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TIME WE WOULD LOSE, UH, ON THIS IF WE, IF, IF THIS, IF THE PLANNING IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE PICKED UP AND MOVED, YOU KNOW, 300 YARDS AWAY, UM, AND, AND ALLOW THAT MASTER PLANNING PROCESS TO, TO ACTUALLY TAKE PLACE, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE GOOD NEWS. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF, IF, IF WE'RE FLEXIBLE ENOUGH TO ACCOMPLISH THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S STILL A LOT OF ANGST IN THE COMMUNITY OVER THE FAIRGROUNDS, AND I THINK WE'RE JUST KIND OF WHISTLING PAST THE GRAVEYARD ON THAT. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON. I MEAN, I TEND TO AGREE, UM, WITH, UM, WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY'S SAYING AS FAR AS WHERE IT IS LOCATED, BUT I ALSO THINK IT IS CENTRALLY LOCATED WHEN YOU REALLY LOOK AT THE ROUTES WHERE THE TRUCKS WOULD GO. I MEAN, IT JUST SEEMS NATURAL, UM, THAT IT IS THE RIGHT LOCATION. UM, MAYBE IT COULD BE ON A, YOU KNOW, IN THE BACK PART OF THE SITE AND IF THAT WOULD, UM, YOU KNOW, WORK, I THINK THAT'S AN ACCOMMODATION. UM, BUT IF WE MOVE FORWARD TONIGHT, ARE WE STUCK WITH THE FOOTPRINT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT? I MEAN, THE, YOU KNOW, WHERE EVERYTHING IS OR IS THERE FLEXIBILITY IN MOVING? UM, BUT I DON'T REALLY WANNA WAIT UNTIL A MASTER PLAN BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN MAKING 25 YEARS TO UPGRADE, UM, THESE FACILITIES THAT ARE 50 YEARS OUT OF DATE. AND SO TO PUSH IT DOWN THE LINE, I DON'T REALLY WANT TO DO THAT. I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED, CERTAINLY I'VE MADE A COMMITMENT TO DO THIS AND I'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD AND NOT WAIT FOR A MASTER PLAN BECAUSE IT'S 50 ACRES THAT'S LEFT. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, LET'S JUST SAY IT'S A FIVE ACRE SITE, OR IF IT'S THREE ACRES, WHATEVER IT IS, BUT ROUND IT OFF 50 ACRES THAT I THINK WE CAN DO A VERY GOOD MASTER PLAN. AND WE MASTER PLAN AROUND A RESILIENCY CENTER. AND ALSO, UM, POLICE AND FIRE FACILITIES FOLLOW UP QUESTION, COUNSEL, OR A COMMENT YEAH. QUESTION. CAN [02:45:01] I TURN HER, HER COMMENT INTO A QUESTION AND, UM, ARE WE LOCKED INTO THIS SPACE, UM, BY THIS, IN THIS PROCESS? OR IF WE DECIDE IF IT'S DETERMINED IN THE PROCESS OF THE MASTER PLANNING, UM, CAN WE, CAN IT SHIFT? I THINK WE CAN ALWAYS CHANGE IT AS WE MOVE, UH, THROUGH THE DESIGN. IF THE MASTER PLANNING IS HAPPENING, UM, CONCURRENTLY WITH THAT AND THERE'S A DECISION THAT IT NEEDS TO BE MOVED, YES. WOULD THERE BE SOME REWORK TO REDESIGN IT FOR THE NEW SITE THAT'S SELECTED? PROBABLY YES. UM, BUT THAT, THAT'S ALWAYS AN OPTION. SO TONIGHT WHAT WE'RE REALLY SAYING IS, IS THAT WE'RE GONNA PUT A POLICE OR A, A FIRE STATION AND AN EMERGENCY OPERATION CENTER. WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE DESIGN OF THAT AT, AT, AT THE FAIRGROUNDS. BECAUSE IF, IF, IF I COULD ASK THAT AS A QUESTION, IS TONIGHT'S ACTION TO SOLICIT FOR A DESIGNER AND BRING THAT ITEM BACK TO COUNCIL TO GET THE, THE, TO GET THE DESIGNER APPROVED AT COUNCIL LEVEL? WE WILL BE BRINGING BACK THE APPROVAL OF THE DESIGN CONTRACT ABSOLUTELY. TO COUNCIL BEFORE WE CUT HIM LOOSE AND DESIGN STUFF. HE'S GOTTA COME BACK. JACK, CAN I FOLLOW UP? COUNCIL MEMBER HALEY? UH, SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE RESOLUTION THAT'S BEEN PREPARED FOR US NOW, THERE, NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, AND THEN QUEST IN 0.2, THE PREFERRED LOCATION FOR THE NEW FIRE STATION SLASH EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER PROJECT IS ACKNOWLEDGED TO BE THE NORTHERN CORNER OF THE FAIR FAIRGROUNDS PROPERTY AT THE CORNER OF JOHNSON DRIVE AND KENNELWORTH DRIVE. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I THINK SOME OF US ARE LOOKING FOR FLEXIBILITY ON. MAYBE JUST SAY ON THE FAIRGROUND SITE TO DELETE THE REST OF THAT LANGUAGE AND, AND, AND HAVE SOME LANGUAGE TALKING ABOUT TO BE DETERMINED IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE FAIRGROUNDS MASTER PLANNING PROCESS. UM, , I'M, I'LL JUMP IN HERE RATHER THAN FORCE YOU TO DO THAT. UM, IT, IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT THEY'RE, UH, PREPARING A, UM, A PROPO REQUEST FOR A PROPOSAL TO GET A DESIGNER TO DO A THING CERTAIN, AND THE THING CERTAIN HAS TO BE ON GROUND SHOWN TO BE THE, WHERE THE DESIGN IS TO BE WHEN IT COMES TO US. WE CAN SAY, WELL, WE'RE NOW THREE MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD AND KNOW SOMETHING DIFFERENT. BUT THAT'S SORT OF A SETBACK. IF, IF WE THINK WE WANT OPEN LADDER, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE NOT COMMIT THIS TODAY. AND ACTUALLY, I APOLOGIZE, I WAS ABOUT TO CALL ON COUNCIL MEMBER NEXT, BUT IN, UM, MY COMMENTS, I THINK, UM, THE TONIGHT'S ACTION SETS THEM ON A PATH TO BRING US BACK A, A SEVEN OR $800,000 DESIGN CONTRACT. AND, UM, I, FOR ONE, WOULD LIKE IT TO INCLUDE BIDDABLE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS. IT'LL INCLUDE BIDDABLE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS FOR PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO. I WOULD LIKE ALL THAT WORK TO GET DONE AT THIS TIME. UM, MR. MAYOR, I, I, I THINK WE, WE COULD SAY WE COULD JUST MAKE THE MODIFICATION THAT COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY PROPOSED. UM, I, I DO THINK THAT AT SOME POINT THE DESIGNER DOES NEED TO KNOW WHERE THE BUILDING IS, IS PROPOSED TO BE GOING, BUT AT THIS POINT, LIKE YOU SAID, WE MAY HAVE NEW INFORMATION IN THE NEXT THREE MONTHS, THE NEXT SIX MONTHS THAT WOULD SOLIDIFY THE DESIGN. UM, THE OTHER THING I WOULD JUST OFFER IS THAT IN PART OF THIS PROCESS, THE, UM, OUR CONSULTING ARCHITECTS, ROB AND LAURA DID LOOK AT MANY DIFFERENT SPOTS AND MANY DIFFERENT CORNERS ON THIS SITE, THE FAIRGROUNDS. AND THEY WERE LOOKING AT IT THROUGH MANY LENSES IN TERMS OF PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, IN TERMS OF VEHICLE ACCESS RESPONSE TIMES TO GET OUT TO CALLS. AND THOSE ALL FACTORED INTO THIS SELECTED LOCATION. UM, BUT AGAIN, THERE STILL MAY BE NEW INFORMATION THAT COMES TO LIGHT THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO SWITCH DOWN THE ROAD IF WE NEED TO. AND, AND I WILL JOIN WITH THE OTHERS THAT SAY MAYBE THIS IS TOO SOON FOR THIS ACTION, GIVEN THAT WE SHOULD BE, UM, SEEING THE ALTERNATIVES AND WE SHOULD BE SHARING WITH THE PUBLIC THE, WE KNOW, WE, I DON'T WANNA GO BACK TO THE PUBLIC AND SAY, YOU KNOW, THE FAIR, WE HAVEN'T, WE VOTED TONIGHT ON, ON THIS ITEM AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN GOT THE FAIRGROUNDS BACK. AND I HAVEN'T SORTED OUT WITH THE DAA OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I THINK IT'S A LITTLE HARD AHEAD OF THE HORSE. I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A JANUARY, FEBRUARY 1ST GENERAL PLAN MEETING, PUSH THIS AS THE WORKSHOP, SHOW HOW GOOD THE QUALITY OF WORK IS AND, AND HAVE A PUBLIC SUPPORT OF IT PRIOR TO RUNNING AND COUNCIL MEMBER HEALEY. YEAH. THANK YOU. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. UM, WHEN DO WE ANTICIPATE, UM, THE FAIRGROUNDS MASTER PLANNING PROCESS KICKING OFF AND CONCLUDING? WE HOPEFULLY WILL HEAR BACK ON THE GRANT SOMETIME IN THE SPRING, AND THEN WE COULD, UH, I WOULD EXPECT IMMEDIATELY GO OUT, UM, TO SOLICIT FOR A FIRM TO WALK US THROUGH THAT MASTER PLANNING PROCESS THEREAFTER, WHICH LIKELY TAKES A YEAR PLUS ONCE WE KICK THAT OFF. AND IF WE DON'T GET THE GRANT, WE WOULD STILL DO PROBABLY, I MEAN, I WOULD SAY AT LEAST STARTING MID-YEAR, SO PROBABLY SOMETIME IN THE SUMMER. [02:50:01] IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THERE'S A WAY TO SYNC THESE UP SO THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE LIKE IT'S PRESENTED TONIGHT. YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY, I THINK IT, I THINK IT WILL BE SYNCED UP BECAUSE BY THE TIME WE BRING THIS BACK TO COUNCIL AND I DON'T KNOW, UM, BRIAN, WHAT THE TIMELINE IS TO BRING THIS BACK TO COUNCIL, THE RFP, UM, LIST OF, OF, UH, RESPONDERS OR THE CONTRACT WITH THE DESIGNER. IT'S PROBABLY NOT UNTIL IT MAY BE CLOSE TO ONE WE'RE I I THINK IT'S GONNA BE TOTALLY SYNCED UP. YEAH, SO I I I THINK THE BIGGEST CONCERN FROM STAFF'S, UM, PERSPECTIVE IS THAT IT'S, IT'S INCREASED COST. YOU HEARD EVEN A YEAR IS AN INCREASED COST. SO I THINK IF WE DO THIS CONCURRENTLY, WE CAN USE THIS AS PART OF THE MASTER PLAN AND NOT MISS A BEAT. BUT I WOULDN'T DELAY THIS TONIGHT. OH. SO HOW WOULD STAFF PROPOSE WORDSMITHING ITEM TWO ON, ON THE RESOLUTION? WE COULD JUST SIMPLIFY TO SAY THAT THE PREFERRED LOCATION FOR THE, UH, NEW FIRE STATION SLASH EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER IS, UH, IS THE FAIRGROUNDS PROPERTY. OKAY. JUST LEAVE IT SIMPLE LIKE THAT. I CAN SUPPORT THAT AND I APPRECIATE THAT. IT WILL TAKE A WHILE TO GET THE, THE PROPOSAL OUT THE DOOR AND THEN IT'LL TAKE A WHILE TO GET IT BACK IN, UH, FROM CONSULTANTS WHO MIGHT WANT TO VIEW IT, UM, THE CONSULTANTS IN INVEST, UM, SIGNIFICANT EFFORT TO, UH, PREPARE THE QUALITY, UH, ESPECIALLY AS COMPLEX A PROJECT AS THIS IS SO MANY DIFFERENT DISCIPLINES THAT, UM, I'D WANNA BE ROCK SOLID THAT WE WERE TELLING THEM THE EXACT LAND WE WERE ON BEFORE PROCEEDING. UM, SO DO WE HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF WHEN WE WANT TO ADVERTISE THE RFP? DOES THAT STAFF HAVE THAT IN MIND? YEAH, IT WOULD DEFINITELY BE COMING AFTER THE HOLIDAYS. WE WOULD NEED TO DEVELOP THE RFP THEN ISSUE IT, GET, YOU KNOW, ALLOW TIME FOR BIDS AND THEN GET IT BACK. SO IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR FOR SURE THAT WE WOULD BE RELEASING IT. CAN THAT BE COURT COORDINATED TO BE AFTER THE FIRST MEETING? UM, ABOUT THIS? MM-HMM. . SO IF WE DON'T, I MEAN, AND THAT WOULD JUST BE DIRECTION TO STAFF, NOT A RESOLUTION THE ITEM, BUT I'D BE MOST COMFORTABLE IF WE HAD THE PROPOSAL BE RELEASED TO CONSULTANTS AFTER OUR FIRST PUBLIC MEETING. THAT WAY IF WE NEEDED TO CUT AND CHANGE, IF ANYTHING WENT SIDEWAYS, WE'D KNOW OUR FIRST PUBLIC MEETING ON WHAT, I'M SORRY, MAYOR, ON THE FAIRGROUNDS MASTER PLAN OR SITE BACK, THAT WOULD PROBABLY START TO GET LATE BECAUSE WE MAY NOT BE DOING THE BEGINNING OF MASTER PLANNING UNTIL MARCH, APRIL, MAY, SOMEWHERE IN THERE. SO IF WE'RE NOT RELEASING THIS RFP UNTIL AFTER THAT, I THINK THAT STARTS TO PUSH IT OUT A BIT. COULD WE CALL IT A CELEBRATION OF, UM, CITY'S POSSESSION OF THE FAIRGROUNDS AND CALL IT A, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THERE'S A, THERE'S A, THERE'S A, I I'M GONNA LET, UM, I'M NOT QUITE COMFORTABLE YET AND I'M LOOKING FOR AN, AN ANSWER, BUT LET ME PUSH AROUND THE COUNCIL. I AHEAD, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER , UH, NEXT AND MY COMMENT'S BEEN COVERED. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE. YEAH. UM, I'M, I'LL MOVE THE ITEM WITH THE, WITH THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT, UH, TO, UM, PROVISION TWO IN THE RESOLUTION. UM, I ALSO JUST WANNA SAY THAT, UM, PART OF US TAKING BACK THE, LIKE TAKING BACK THE FAIRGROUNDS AND STARTING THE MASTER PLANNING PROCESS, PART OF BEING TRANSPARENT ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE FAIRGROUNDS IS ALSO TALKING TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT THIS AND REC LETTING THEM RECOGNIZE, HELPING THEM UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PLACE FOR THIS AND WHY THIS IS PART OF OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR PUBLIC SAFETY FUTURE. AND, UM, AND SO, UM, I UNDERSTAND THE, THE, UH, THE UNEASY FEELING. I THINK WE ALL FEEL IT BECAUSE, UM, WE KNOW THAT THIS IS A, A, A SENSITIVE TOPIC, BUT I THINK ALSO LIKE WE HAVE TO TAKE LIKE OUR, UM, OUR INSECURITIES AS POLITICIANS AND PUT THEM ASIDE AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE LIKE EDUCATING THE PUBLIC ABOUT WHY THIS IS THE IMPORTANT THING AND NOT LET, UM, THE NOT, UM, GIVE THE ILLUSION THAT THIS ISN'T THE ABSOLUTE BEST PLACE FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY. AND THAT IS, UM, I THINK IF WE ALL ARE, YOU KNOW, SPEAKING CLEARLY AND EDUCATING THE PUBLIC ABOUT IT, IT'S GONNA BE REALLY CLEAR AND I THINK THEY'LL EMBRACE IT AND WE JUST, UM, IT'S GOTTA BE PART OF OUR COMMUNICATIONS ON THIS. AND COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE TO THAT POINT, BOTH OF OUR CHIEFS DID DO AN OP-ED PIECE FOR THAT EXACT REASON. AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO BE VERY TRANSPARENT ABOUT THAT. AND THANK YOU TO OUR CHIEFS FOR DOING THAT. VICE MAYOR, JUST TO MAKE A QUICK COMMENT, I ACTUALLY FEEL VERY CONFIDENT THAT THIS IS WHERE A POLICE AND FIRE STATION SHOULD GO [02:55:01] ON THIS PARTICULAR AREA, ON THE SITE. AND I THINK WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT WE HAVE TENANTS THERE FOR THE NEXT THREE TO FIVE YEARS AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA BE PUSHING THIS OUT AGAIN. AND I ACTUALLY FEEL EXTREMELY CONFIDENT THAT THIS IS EXACT LOCATION. I THINK WHAT WE HAVE TO BE CLEAR ON IS THE DESIGN HEIGHT, YOU KNOW, MAKING THE FOOTPRINT SMALLER AND THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO FOCUS ON. BUT I FEEL PERSONALLY THIS IS THE CORRECT SITE IF YOU REALLY LOOK AT THE GREEN LINES AND WHERE ALL THE, YOU KNOW, WHERE PEOPLE DRIVE. AND I WILL TELL YOU MY ENTIRE CAMPAIGN, EVERY, EVERY TIME I TALKED TO SOMEBODY, IT WAS ABOUT POLICE AND FIRE GOING TO EVENTUALLY BE AT THE FAIRGROUNDS. AND IT WAS PRETTY MUCH AT THIS SITE. AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT I SAID, AND YOU DIDN'T GET ANY PUSHBACK AT ALL. PEOPLE RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE. THE CITY IS A VERY DIFFERENT CITY THAN, UM, THAN WE WERE. AND WE NEED TO KEEP UP IN THE 21ST CENTURY AND NOT GO BACKWARDS. AND I FEEL LIKE WE ARE JUST KIND OF DEBATING OVER A SITE AND I'M JUST UNCLEAR WHY PEOPLE DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS THE RIGHT SITE ON 55. I SECOND THE MOTION AND I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT'S WHERE WE WERE GOING. SO I THINK WE HAVE THE SECOND COMING FROM THE VICE MAYOR. OKAY. AND THEN WE'LL HAVE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER REBS. OKAY. I'D JUST LIKE TO, UH, REITERATE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SAID. I, I DO AGREE WITH THE, UH, PARKING THAT'S GONNA BE IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING. UH, WE HAVE TO SAY WHO'S THAT GOING TO BE AND IS THERE A WAY WE CAN INTEGRATE THAT PARKING, THAT SPACES WITH OTHER PARKING SPACES FOR OTHER BUILDINGS THAT ARE GONNA BE ON SITE, UM, SO THAT THEY'RE TOGETHER, UM, RATHER THAN JUST ONLY SERVING ONLY THE POLICE AND THE FIRE, THEY NEED TO BE SERVING OTHER BUILDINGS TOO. THE OTHER POSSIBILITY IS GOING TO A THIRD STORY. YES, I UNDERSTOOD ABOUT THE SEISMIC AND THAT IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE MORE EXPENSIVE, BUT ANY BUILDING WE PUT THERE THAT'S GONNA HAVE A LARGE COMMUNITY ROOM IS GONNA BE, WHETHER IT BE ABOVE THE RESILIENCY CENTER, ABOVE THE, UM, MAYBE THE FUTURE, UH, CITY HALL THAT MAY BE THERE OR ABOVE WHATEVER AUDITORIUM THAT WE BUILD. WHATEVER WE BUILD THERE IS GONNA BE A LARGER BUILDING AND IT'S GONNA BE JUST THE SAME SEISMIC REQUIREMENTS. UM, SO, UH, IT'S STILL NOT GONNA BE THAT LESS EXPENSIVE. SO IF WE HAD A THIRD FLOOR, WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER IF WE THINKING ABOUT RESILIENCY CENTER, WE'RE GONNA NEED A SPACE FOR GROUP MEETINGS OF LARGE NUMBERS OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE FROM REGIONAL AREAS COMING IN. SO AS PART OF THE RE RESILIENCY CENTER, WE'LL NEED SOME ACTUAL MEETING SPACE FOR EVERYONE TO GET TOGETHER AND COORDINATE FOR THE ENTIRE, UH, 10,000 PLUS PEOPLE THAT SHOW UP. SO I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE PART OF THE, THE, THE PROBABLY ABOVE THE POLICE, UH, PROBABLY MAYBE THE BEST PLACE TO PUT OR, OR FIRE, BUT, BUT PROBABLY THE POLICE STATION, PUTTING THAT THIRD FLOOR, A LARGE MEETING ROOM THAT COULD BE TURNED INTO AN OPERATION CENTER FOR A, FOR THE RESILIENCY CENTERS AND THE 10,000 PEOPLE ORGANIZING EVERYTHING THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. 'CAUSE ALL THE FOOD SERVICES HAVE TO SHOW UP. THE, UM, UM, HOMELESS FOLKS HAVE TO BE, BE TAKEN CARE OF, UH, WHOEVER'S OUT THERE. SO THINK ABOUT ADDING IN THAT FEATURE AS A, UM, POSSIBILITY IN THE NEW DESIGN AT, UM, PLEASE ON, ON THAT PART. UM, AND THEN AS FAR AS MOVING THE SITE, THE OTHER, THE ONLY PLACE TO PUT THIS SIZE OF THE BUILDING IS LIKE ONE OF THE REASONS YOU PICKED IT'S 'CAUSE THERE'S NO BUILDINGS RIGHT THERE. IF YOU MOVE IT JUST ABOUT ANYWHERE ELSE, I LOOKED AT A SITE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE MAP, UM, OTHER BUILDINGS WOULD HAVE TO DISAPPEAR FIRST, WHICH MEANS, SO EITHER, UM, THE NEXT POSSIBLE SITE WOULD BE THE, WHERE THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING IS NOW AT THAT PARKING LOT AND WITH THE OLD FIRE STATION, WHICH IS NOW REBUILD, UM, THAT'S PROBABLY THE NEXT MOST APPROPRIATE SPOT. BUT ALL THOSE WOULD HAVE TO DISAPPEAR TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. AND IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TIME AND, AND DO THAT, AND EVEN PART OF THE SCHOOL MIGHT HAVE TO DISAPPEAR, UH, TO, TO ACCOMMODATE THAT SIZE. SO IF WE CAN, IF WE THINK WE CAN MOVE THE SCHOOL AND, AND REBUILD AND THE ADMINISTRATION OR ANY OTHER BUILDINGS THAT ARE OUT THERE, I THINK WE CAN MOVE THAT SITE OVER TO A DIFFERENT PLACE. BUT IF WE'RE GONNA DO IT IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, PROBABLY NOT. UM, SO THAT'S PROBABLY THE, THE ADVANTAGE OF, OF PICKING THIS SITE AS BEST. I STILL THINK PERSONALLY THAT PAY RAN IS A BETTER ACCESS THAN, THAN THAN THE OTHER STREET THAT WOULD BE ON, UH, A LITTLE CLOSER IN THE MAIN STREET, ESPECIALLY D STREET GET ACROSS TOWN. I WOULD STILL FAVOR PAY RAN, BUT THAT REQUIRES REMOVING BUILDINGS, UH, TO MAKE THAT ALL HAPPEN. SO IF, UH, IF WE'RE COMFORTABLE SAYING, OKAY, WE ARE GOING TO MOVE THE SCHOOL SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS SO THAT WE CAN BUILD SOMETHING ON THAT SITE, I'D SAY GREAT, BUT OTHERWISE LET'S DO IT NOW. AND I FULLY FAVOR BOTH FIRE AND POLICE TOGETHER. IF WE MOVED IT, WE COULD DO A MIRROR ISN'T THAT HARD TO DO A TOTAL MIRROR IMAGE AND, AND JUST LIKE FLIP THE WHOLE THING, UM, THAT A COMPUTER CAN DO THAT IN SECONDS. SO, UM, I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT [03:00:01] REDESIGNING AND THE COST OF DOING THAT IF WE, EVEN IF WE DO IT, 'CAUSE THE SITE'S PRETTY FLAT THROUGHOUT, SO WHEREVER WE MOVE IT ON SITE, IT COULD BE AS IS OR MIRRORED, UM, IN SOME WAY OR JUST SPLIT IT AS ANGLE TWO ANGLES IF IT'S ON A CORNER. SO, AND STILL HAVE MEETING SPACES. SO I DON'T THINK THE COST OF CHANGING THE DESIGN DOWN THE ROAD IF WE NEED TO, AS LONG AS WE KEEP IT ON THE SITE, PROBABLY THIS IS PROBABLY GONNA BE THE, THE BEST SITE FOR IT ANYWAY. UM, SO ANYWAY, I, I'D SAY LET'S GO FOR WHAT WE HAVE TONIGHT. I, I'D FOLLOW UP WITH THE MOTION AND I'D SUPPORT IT AT THIS POINT, COUNCIL MEMBER. NOW, COULD YOU, UM, I I HAVE TO TAKE US BACK TO THE VERY FIRST FIRE WAS AT TUBBS FIRE IN 2017 AND THE FAIR GROUNDS WAS USED FOR AN EVACUATION FOR NOT JUST PEOPLE, BUT ALSO LIVESTOCK. SO THE LIVESTOCK WERE COMING IN ON THE PAY RAN SIDE. THE PEOPLE WERE COMING IN THROUGH THE MAIN GATES AND I WAS ACTUALLY THE EMPLOYEE THAT OPENED THOSE GATES FOR THE FIRST EVACUEES THAT SHOWED UP AT THE FAIRGROUNDS. AND WE HAVE TO HAVE EQUIPMENT IN PLACE HAVING THE, UM, THE, UM, RESILIENCY CENTER RIGHT NEXT DOOR WOULD BE SO HANDY. AND THE POLICE AND FIRE, YOU KNOW, I'M THINKING THAT WE, WE GET IT ALL BUILT IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS BECAUSE WE KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE OTHER NATURAL DISASTERS AS COUNCIL MEMBER, SHE IS POINTED OUT, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP THAT SPACE OPEN FOR THE LIVESTOCK THAT NEED TO BE EVACUATED AND FOR THE HUMANS AND FOR, WE HAD RV PARKING IN THE FRONT PART. SO, UM, AND THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS AREN'T PRIVY TO WHAT WE SAW AT THE PARKS REC MEETING, BUT LAST WEEK THEY TOOK THAT ADMINISTRATION PARKING LOT NEXT TO THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING AND IT'S NOW SET FOR RECREATIONAL USE FOR BASKETBALL PICKLEBALL COURTS. AND THEY'RE EVEN TALKING ABOUT TAKING AWAY THE LIBRARY EMPLOYEE PARKING AT THE LIBRARY FOR THE KENNELWORTH, UH, PARK. SO I THINK SOMEBODY NEEDS TO PUT IT ALL TOGETHER AND MASTER PLAN AND PRESENT IT TO THE ENTIRE COUNCIL AND MAYOR BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO PICK APART THIS PROPERTY. BUT IT REALLY IS THE PART OF THE PROPERTY THAT'S NOT, WAS NOT USED DURING THAT EVACUATION. IT WAS IN, IF THERE WAS A JOINT MEETING, IT WAS HELD IN HER HALL OR IN THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING ON THE FAIRGROUNDS. SO, UM, IF WE GET THREE STORIES, I THINK THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT COULD USE THAT THIRD STORY UNTIL THEIR PHASE TWO GETS BUILT OUT. AND THEN WHEN THEY MOVE INTO THEIR PHASE TWO, THEN OUR FIRE PREVENTION CAN MOVE INTO THE THIRD STORY AND WE FREE UP SOME SPACE AT CITY HALL FOR OTHER DEPARTMENTS HERE AT CITY HALL. SO THAT IS MY FUTURE GOALS. AND I HAVE BEEN ADVOCATING FOR A NEW POLICE STATION FOR 20 YEARS BECAUSE THE INTERVIEW ROOM FOR FOUR ADULTS AND A CHILD VICTIM WAS THE SIZE OF A BROOM CLOSET, AND IT WAS, I NEVER WANTED ANYBODY TO EVER HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT AGAIN. AND THAT WAS 20 YEARS AGO. SO I WILL SECOND THE MOTION IF THERE HASN'T BEEN A SECOND. THERE'S, THERE'S BEEN A SECOND. I LOST TRACK. I THINK IT'S BEEN SECONDED A FEW TIMES. OH, OKAY. SO, UM, AND UH, UH, VICE MAYOR, THIS IS JUST A QUICK COMMENT, BUT YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS KIND OF ENVISIONED THAT WE WOULD HAVE A CITY HALL THERE, BUT IS THERE, I MEAN, JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT, JUST EVEN HAVE LIKE A COUNCIL CHAMBERS THERE BECAUSE EVERYTHING'S ELECTRONIC. IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY AND THAT'S WHAT THE THIRD FLOOR COULD ALSO BE, UM, IS COUNCIL CHAMBERS BECAUSE 60% OF THE PEOPLE LIVE ON THE EAST SIDE. AND IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE HAD SOMETHING MORE CENTRALLY LOCATED, WELL, UM, VICE MAYOR, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, AS WE, ESPECIALLY AS WE WERE, UH, PLANNING TO HAVE WORKSHOPS AND, AND THINGS, WE NOTICED THAT EVEN JUST EVEN LU KESEY RIGHT NOW, IT CAN'T BE A REALLY GOOD PLACE NECESSARILY, UM, TO ACCOMMODATE ALL THE NEEDS. SO TO HAVE ANOTHER FLEX SPACE FOR MEETINGS, FOR WORKSHOPS, FOR THE GOALS AND PRIORITIES, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR THOSE, THOSE LARGER, YOU KNOW, ALL COMMUNITY, WE'D LOVE TO HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT AT THE FAIRGROUNDS. YEAH. OKAY. UH, SO, UH, I JUST WANNA SAY, UH, IT'S, IT'S, UH, THE GOOD NEWS THAT YOU MENTIONED EARLIER IS THAT WE'RE RET STAFFING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO ITS, YOU KNOW, UH, PRE-CRISIS DAY LEVEL AND TO ITS APPROPRIATE STAFFING LEVELS, AND WE DO HAVE TO, UM, UM, MAKE ROOM FOR, FOR THAT STAFF. I MEAN, YOU CAN'T JUST HIRE STAFF AND NOT HAVE SPACE. SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT SPACE. AND ALSO EVERYONE WHO WORKED ON MEASURE U, THE FUNDAMENTAL OF MEASURE U WAS THAT THIS WAS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. [03:05:01] SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR ALL THE FUNDS TO GO. AND, UM, LACKING OTHER COMMENT. I'D LIKE TO ASK THE CLERK TO HAVE A ROLL CALL. VOTE BARNACLE. AYE. CATER THOMPSON? YES. HEALY? YES. NOW? YES. POST. OKAY. YES. SHRIVES? YES. AND MCDONALD? YES. MOTION PASSES. SEVEN, ZERO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE STAFF'S, UH, TIME AND, AND, UH, EXHAUSTIVE TIME ON THAT. THAT WAS, UM, EVERYTHING WE NEEDED TO KNOW ON IT. UH, ITEM NINE, INTRODUCTION TO FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE TO CHANGE CERTAIN APPROPRIATIONS FOR THE OPERATIONS OF THE CITY OF PETALUMA, JULY ONE TO JUNE 30TH OF, UH, THIS FISCAL YEAR. AND, UM, UH, RESOLUTIONS, UPDATING AND AUTHORIZING THE FUNDED PERMANENT POSITION, SCHEDULE, AND RESOLUTION, AUTHORIZING THE COMMITMENT AND RELEASE OF VARIOUS GENERAL FUND RESERVES FOR SPECIFIC USE. WELCOME AND, UH, TO HELP US WITH, THIS IS OUR, UH, BRAND NEW FINANCE DIRECTOR, JESSE G***H. THANK YOU. YOU GOT IT, JESSE G***H. UM, SO HANG ON. GETTING SETTLED. UH, GOOD EVENING. MAYOR MCDONALD AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, THE CITY REVIEWS ITS BUDGET ON A CONTINUAL BASIS AND TYPICALLY BRINGS THREE BUDGET ADJUSTMENT REPORTS TO COUNCIL OVER THE COURSE OF EACH FISCAL YEAR. SO TONIGHT WE HAVE THE FIRST QUARTER ADJUSTMENTS TO THE ADOPT BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 20 23 24. THE BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS INCLUDE ITEMS STEMMING FROM APPROVED COUNCIL ACTION SINCE JULY 1ST, CARRYOVERS OF PRIOR YEAR, UNUSED BUDGET APPROPRIATIONS, AND SOME NEW ITEMS BASED ON CURRENT NEEDS. WE ALSO HAVE AN INCREASE TO THE PERMANENT POSITION, POSITION, SCHEDULE OF ONE, LIMITED TERM, FTE. A DETAILED LIST OF ALL THE ADJUSTMENTS IS INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. ADDITIONALLY, WE HAVE UPDATES TO THE GENERAL FUND COMMITTED FUND BALANCE AMOUNT. GASB 54 REQUIRES THAT FUND BALANCES COMMITTED AND RELEASED FOR SPECIFIC PURPOSES BE AUTHORIZED BY RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL. AT THIS TIME, WE RECOMMEND RELEASING 1.57 MILLION FOR CURRENT USE FOR THE GENERAL PLAN AND TURF REPLACEMENT AND COMMITTING 0.96 MILLION FOR FUTURE USES. THE NET EFFECT OF THESE MOVEMENTS WILL RESULT IN COMMITTED FUND BALANCE OF 0.69 MILLION. THE RECOMMENDED ACTION IS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL INTRODUCE THE ATTACHED ORDINANCES TO AMEND APPROPRIATION BUDGETS FOR THE FISCAL YEAR ENDING JUNE 30TH, 2024. IT IS ALSO RECOMMENDED THAT THE COUNCIL ADOPT THE RESOLUTION COMMITTING AND RELEASING GENERAL FUND RESERVES FOR SPECIFIC USES ALONG WITH THE RESOLUTION, UPDATING THE AUTHORIZED AND FUNDED PERMANENT POSITION SCHEDULE. AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND, UH, WE'RE HAPPY AT THE CLARITY AND BREVITY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, . UM, LET'S BRING THAT UP TO COUNCIL AND ASK COUNCIL ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL MEMBER SCHIBS. UM, THERE WAS JUST A QUESTION THAT, THAT CAME IN, UH, FROM ONE OF OUR CITIZENS JUST ASKING, UM, FOR, I THINK THERE WAS APPROPRIATION FOR FUNDS, MOVEMENT OF FUNDS FOR OUR, THE NEW PARK THAT WENT IN AND WHETHER, UH, THAT WAS APPROPRIATE SPECIFICALLY FOR THE ARTIFICIAL TURF THAT WAS GONNA BE NEEDED THERE. 'CAUSE IT WASN'T QUITE DEFINED ON THAT. SO I JUST THOUGHT I'D JUST, UH, GET CLARITY, UH, UM, AND TRANSPARENCY AS TO THAT PARTICULAR, UH, PLACE AND, AND THE FUND, THE EXTRA FUNDING OR THAT WAS NEEDED OR WAS ALREADY DONE. SO JUST COULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT? YES, OF COURSE. SO SINCE LUC CASEY PARK WAS, UH, PUT IN WITH THE ARTIFICIAL TURF 10 YEARS AGO, WE HAVE BEEN PUTTING MONEY ASIDE, UM, COMMITTING FUND BALANCE IN THE GENERAL FUND FOR POTENTIAL REPLACEMENT OF WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE DONE, WHETHER THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK ANY FINAL DECISIONS HAVE BEEN MADE AS TO WHETHER OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT TYPE OF TURF IS GOING TO GO IN THERE. UM, WE DO HAVE A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT RIGHT NOW THAT IS BEING FUNDED BY THOSE, UH, COMMITTED FUND BALANCES THAT WE'VE PUT ASIDE. AND SO ALL WE'VE DONE IS RELEASED SOME OF THAT FUNDING FOR THAT ONGOING CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. UM, AGAIN, I DON'T BELIEVE THE FINAL DECISION HAS BEEN MADE AS TO WHETHER IT WOULD BE REPLACED WITH ARTIFICIAL TURF OR NOT. AND I'VE GOT OUR DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND REC. MM-HMM. , UH, DREW. THANK YOU, JESSE. UM, DREW, DID YOU WANNA WEIGH IN PLEASE? YEAH, I MEAN, WE'RE JUST HERE TO SUPPORT, UM, WITH THE FINANCE DIRECTOR, UM, ARTICULATED THERE THAT THERE'S NO MOVEMENT, UM, ON THAT PROJECT AS FAR AS THE DECISION TO MAKE ON ARTIFICIAL OR, OR NATURAL GRAPHS OR ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATIONS. BUT, BUT YES, UM, LOOK FORWARD TO BRINGING OPTIONS FORWARD TO COUNCIL AT A FUTURE DATE. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO HAVE THAT CLARIFIED. COUNCIL MEMBER HEALEY. YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT BRIEFLY. AND, YOU KNOW, A FEW OF US ON THE D KNOW THAT THE 10 YEAR OLD ARTIFICIAL FIELD AT LUCCHESE IS THE SECOND ONE BECAUSE WE WERE AROUND WHEN THE FIRST ONE WAS WAS PAID [03:10:01] FOR. UM, BUT, UM, SO JUST MOVING THE FUNDS OVER AS TO THE FUND BALANCE AND WE'RE, WE DON'T HAVE A PROJECT PLANNED FOR THIS, THIS COMING FISCAL YEAR BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A BILL IN THE LEGISLATURE THAT WOULD'VE BANNED THESE, THESE, THESE KIND OF CHEMICALS AND ARTIFICIAL, BUT I, THAT E EITHER FAILED TO PASS THE LEGISLATURE OR WAS VETOED. UM, BUT I, I THINK THE INDUSTRY IS WORKING HARD TO, UM, COME UP WITH, UM, SUITABLE REPLACEMENTS. AND IF, IF WE WAIT A YEAR OR TWO BEFORE DOING IT, I THINK THAT PRODUCT WILL BE OUT THERE. SO I'M WILLING TO SUPPORT MOVING THE MONEY OVER WITH THE THOUGHT THAT IT'S GONNA BE THERE WHEN WE HAVE A PRODUCT THAT WE'RE GONNA BE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH. A HUNDRED PERCENT. AND I THINK THAT'LL BE THE MODEL FOR US GOING FORWARD WITH ALL THE ARTIFICIAL TURF FIELDS IN TOWN. YES. VICE MAYOR, KR THOMPSON. AND I AGREE WITH BOTH THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS. THAT WAS, I, I ZEROED IN ON THAT ALSO ABOUT THE ART, IF IT'S ARTIFICIAL TURF OR REGULAR TURF OR WHAT IS IT? SO, YEP. COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE. YEAH. UM, AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS ABOUT TURF. UM, I WAS ONE WOULD LIKE TO POINT THE COUNSEL TO, UM, A NOVEMBER 10TH LETTER WE RECEIVED FROM CHRISTOPHER SMITH, UM, AND MELISSA ABERCROMBIE. UM, ABOUT TWO, UH, PUBLIC ART PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING, UH, THAT ARE MOVING FORWARD. THE H STREET POCKET PARK, WHERE A FINE BALANCE WILL BE. UM, AND, UM, THE SECOND ONE IS AT THE RIVER ARCH WHERE THE DAVID BEST ARCH IS IN. UM, AND BASICALLY IN A NUTSHELL WHAT THEY, WHAT, UM, CHRISTOPHER SMITH WAS LAYING OUT IS THAT, UM, THERE, THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC ART PROJECTS, BUT, UM, THE PUBLIC ART BUDGET IS NOT ABLE TO BE USED FOR, UM, SITE IMPROVEMENTS. AND SO AS A RESULT, WE JUST PUT THIS PUBLIC ART THERE, BUT WE DON'T ACTUALLY MAKE ANY IMPROVEMENTS AROUND IT AND THERE'S NO FUNDING FOR IT. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, A NUMBER OF HICCUPS THAT HAVE COME AND, AND GONE WITH THESE PROJECTS, UM, THAT I, I TALKED TO CHRISTOPHER ABOUT AND I ENCOURAGED HIM TO WRITE THIS IN SO WE COULD AT LEAST DISCUSS IT AND MAKE, UM, A, UH, YOU KNOW, AN INFORMED DECISION OF WHAT WE THINK. BUT, UM, I'LL SAY WHEN I WAS ON PARKS AND REC, WE HAD, UM, ON THE COMMISSION WHEN WE WERE REPLACING, UM, UH, PLAYGROUNDS, UM, WE HAD A SPECIFIC BUDGET OF LIKE $90,000 FOR PLAYGROUND REPLACEMENT. AND THEN YOU DO THE SURVEYS, AND THE SURVEYS ALL COME BACK AND THEY TELL, YOU KNOW, WHAT AGE GROUP AND WHATNOT, AND THEN THEY SAY ANYTHING ELSE. AND OVERWHELMINGLY PEOPLE SAID SEATING AND SHADE, BUT WE NEVER HAD BUDGET FOR SEATING AND SHADE. AND THIS REMINDS ME OF, IT'S A SIMILAR SITUATION WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT BUDGET FOR THE PUBLIC ART, WE PUT THIS BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF ART IN, AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE THE BUDGET OR WE DON'T ALLOCATE FOR THE REST OF THE SITE IMPROVEMENTS. AND IT FEELS LIKE IT'S, UM, AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, YOU KNOW, A MISSED OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY SORT OF CREATE PLACES. DID YOU WISH TO WEIGH IN? I JUST WANTED TO WEIGH IN. YES. AND THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE. UM, THAT IS ON MY, THAT IS ON STAFF'S RADAR SCREEN, AND WE'RE ACTUALLY STARTING TO LOOK AT, UM, AND WE'RE PULLING OUR BUDGET REQUESTS TOGETHER HOLISTICALLY. WE ACTUALLY GOT A REQUEST JUST A FEW DAYS AGO, UH, TO AID WITH THE HELEN PUTNAM EXPANSION IMPROVEMENTS BEFORE, UM, IT'S TURNED OVER TO REGIONAL PARKS BECAUSE IT IS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. SO WE'VE GOT A LOT OF REQUESTS RIGHT NOW. UM, AND THE BASIC THINGS LIKE YOU MENTIONED, THE SHADE, THE, UM, THE LIGHTING, UM, UH, WE ARE RECOGNIZING AND WE ARE WORKING WITH OUR, UH, FINANCE, UH, DEPARTMENT RIGHT NOW TO FIGURE OUT SOME, UM, PARK PARKLAND MONIES. UM, BUT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE NEXUS STUDY AND HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT THAT DURING BUDGET TIME HOLISTICALLY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY, UM, I THINK THE CITY MANAGER MORE OR LESS STOLE MY FIRE THERE. I, I WANT TO THANK THE COUNCIL MEMBER FOR RAISING THAT SUBJECT AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD LOOK AT IN THE NEXT, UH, BUDGET CYCLE COUNCIL MEMBER. NOW. UM, ALSO NOT TO, UM, YOU KNOW, GO AGAINST WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER BARN NICOLE, BUT WE ALSO HAVE OPPORTUNITIES AND NONPROFITS HAVE APPROACHED ME FOR, UM, THEY WANT TO BUILD THE FISHING PIERS BACK THAT ARE GONNA GO AT THE END OF THAT FIRST STREET CC STREET AND, AND FIRST WHERE ALONG THE RIVER. SO THERE'S NONPROFITS WHO, WHO HAVE BEEN RAISING MONEY, WHO WANT TO DO THINGS FOR OUR COMMUNITY, AND THAT'S ALSO SOMETHING SO WE CAN, AND BEING PART OF THE PARKS AND RECS, THEY APPROACHED ME AND I TURNED IT OVER TO PUBLIC WORKS AND, UM, FOR THE FUTURE. SO THERE, THAT'S ALSO A GREAT POSSIBILITY THAT WE CAN LOOK TO [03:15:01] THANK YOU. ANECDOTALLY, FIRST TIME I MET, CHIEF SHOCK WAS TALKING ABOUT DOING THE C STREET PARK, UM, SOME DOZEN YEARS AGO OR SO. YEAH. AND SOCCER FIELDS. WELL, I, I DIDN'T MEET THE CHIEF AT THE SOCCER FIELD. NO. . OH, OH, I MIGHT'VE MET YOU AT THE SOCCER FIELDS. OH, A COUPLE TIMES. I, BUT, UM, THE, UH, AND I DO WANT TO, UH, COMPLIMENT STAFF FOR HIGHLIGHTING, UH, I THINK THE, UH, UH, 10 PACHI COURT IS IN THE, UH, UH, CALCULATIONS HERE. AND, UH, IT JUST IS, UH, HIGHLIGHTED THAT, UH, A HOUSE THAT COULD HAVE GONE OUT OF OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING INVENTORY WAS PRESERVED BY THE CITY'S ACTION. AND, UM, AND IT'S AN OLDER STYLE OF, OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING FINANCE PROGRAMS, AND SO WAS VULNERABLE, UH, TO, TO FALLING OUT OF OUR PROGRAM. SO I APPRECIATE THAT STAFF KEPT THAT IN THE PROGRAM. AND, UH, WITH NO OTHER COMMENTS, UM, I'D LIKE TO HAVE A MOTION, UM, TAKE THAT BACK. WHY DON'T WE DO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM, AND, UH, GOT AN EYE FROM EVERYBODY. UM, SO, UM, LET'S, UH, OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT AND ASK THE CLERK IF WE'VE RECEIVED ANYTHING ON THIS ITEM. WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS TO THIS ITEM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND WILL OUR MODERATOR READ OUR MESSAGE? MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ATTENDING IN PERSON SHOULD BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE SO. SPEAKERS ARE REMINDED TO BE RESPECTFUL IN THEIR COMMENTS. AND THEN THIS MEETING IS BEING TRANSLATED. PLEASE PAUSE BETWEEN SENTENCES FOR TRANSLATION AND THE COUNTDOWN WILL APPEAR FOR THE CONVENIENCE OF THE SPEAKER AND THE VIEWERS. AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I SEE NO ONE, UH, MAKING A MOVE TOWARDS THE CARDS OR TOWARDS THE CLERK. AND SO, UH, WITH THAT I'D LIKE DECLARE THAT PUBLIC COMMENT CLOSED FOR THE EVENING. UH, AND BACK TO COUNSEL. AND CAN I HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MOVE THE ITEM. I'LL SECOND THAT. I'LL SECOND. SO, UM, MOTION BY BARNACLE AND, UM, SECOND BY CATER THOMPSON. AND A ROLL CALL. VOTE. VOTE PLEASE. BARNACLE AYE. CATER THOMPSON? YES. HEALY? YES. NOW? YES. ? YES. SHRIVES? YES. AND MCDONALD? YES. MOTION PASSES. SEVEN ZERO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND WITH THAT, WE ARE NOW ADJOURNED, UH, BEFORE 10 TO 10. VERY GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU ALL. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.