* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] GOOD EVENING [CALL TO ORDER] EVERYONE I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER TONIGHT'S MEETING FOR NOVEMBER 27TH, 2023 OF THE PETALUMA PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE. WITH THAT, WE'LL TAKE ROLE COMMITTEE MEMBER COLE IRON HERE. COMMITTEE MEMBER MOORING HERE. COMMITTEE MEMBER BELTWAY. ABSENT. COMMITTEE MEMBER SMITH HERE. COMMITTEE MEMBER DIGGS. HERE. COMMITTEE MEMBER RE SIMMONS HERE. CHAIR ABERCROMBIE. HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM. TODAY WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT OUR CITY OF PETALUMA COMMITTEE WORK INVOLVES THE UNSEATED LAND THAT IS THE ANCESTRAL HOMELANDS OF THE COAST. MINOK PEOPLE. WE WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS OUR GRATITUDE AND APPRECIATION TO THOSE WHO STEWARDED AND CONTINUE TO STEWARD THIS LAND. WE PAY OUR RESPECT TO THE PAST, PRESENT, AND EMERGING ELDERS AND CITIZENS OF THE COMMUNITY OF THE COAST. ME WALK HERE. WE'LL NOW OPEN GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO COME FROM THE PUBLIC TO MAKE COMMENTS ON NON-AG ITEMS, YOU ARE WELCOME TO JOIN US. THERE APPEARS TO BE NOBODY HERE TO MAKE COMMENTS. AND WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WERE RECEIVED PRIOR TO THE MEETING WE RECEIVED. NO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING. OKAY. WE WILL CLOSE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AND BEGIN [PRESENTATIONS] PRESENTATIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY ART GRANT ITEM ONE. GREAT. UM, YEAH. TODAY WE'RE JOINED BY CI GILLIN AND DRAKE CUNNINGHAM TO SUMMARIZE AND REPORT OUT ON THE LISTENING BUILDS COMMUNITY PROJECT OR THE I AM PETALUMA PROJECT, UM, WHICH WAS SUPPORTED BY A, UH, GRANT AWARD FROM BOTH CREATIVE SONOMA AND THE COMMUNITY ART GRANT FROM THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE. SO, AS A BRIEF REMINDER AND SUMMARY OF THE, UH, TO THE PUBLIC AND TO THE COMMITTEE ABOUT HOW THAT PILOT PROGRAM WORKED, UH, THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE, UH, ACCEPTED PROPOSALS FROM COMMUNITY GROUPS, INDIVIDUALS, ARTISTS, AND, UM, MORE TO SUPPORT A WIDE RANGE OF TY UH, DIFFERENT TYPES OF CREATIVE AND CULTURAL PROJECTS. UH, THE APPLICABLE USES FOR THE GRANT FUNDING AS DESCRIBED WERE, UH, TO SUPPORT PUBLIC PRESENTATION, PRODUCTION, ART, INSTALLATION, EXHIBITION, OUTDOOR COMMUNITY CELEBRATION, ARTS FAIRS AND FESTIVALS OR PERFORMANCES. AND IT COULD ALSO HELP SUPPLIES MATERIALS FOR PUBLIC PROJECTS, ART EDUCATION, PROJECTS, AND OTHER PROJECTS THAT PROMOTED CULTURAL AND CREATIVE AWARENESS. UM, AND, UH, INCLUSION, ACCESSIBILITY, EQUITY, AND DIVERSITY. SO ON, UH, EXCUSE ME. MARCH 24TH, 2022, THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE APPROVED GRANT FUNDING FOR A TOTAL OF $10,000 TO REPUBLIC, WHICH IS CINDY AND DRAKE FOR THE PROPOSED LISTENING BUILDS COMMUNITY PROJECT OR LATER UPDATED TO, UH, IM PETALUMA. AND IT WAS DESIGNED AS A MULTIDISCIPLINARY PROJECT, UH, OF PERFORMANCE EXHIBITION, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, AND ALL CENTERED AROUND, UH, HELEN PUTNAM PLAZA IN DOWNTOWN PETALUMA. AND WITH THAT, I, I THINK THAT TEES UP CI AND DRAKE TO PRESENT THIS SUMMARY OF THEIR PROJECT AND HIGHLIGHT SOME TAKEAWAYS, LESSONS LEARNED FEEDBACK TO INFORM FUTURE GRANT PROGRAMS WITH THE PUBLIC ART PROGRAM. THANK YOU BOTH FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. THANK YOU. AND GIMME JUST ONE SECOND TO PULL UP YOUR SLIDESHOW. UM, I AM PETALUMA. NEXT SLIDE. UM, I AM, PETALUMA WAS A VEHICLE FOR LEARNING HOW TO BUILD COMMUNITY THROUGH OWNERSHIP AND ACTIVATION OF PUBLIC SPACES. WE ASKED THE COMMUNITY TO JOIN US IN TRANSFORMING PUTNAM PLAZA INTO PETALUMA'S OUTDOOR LIVING ROOM. WE PLANNED LIVE INTERACTIONS, ARTWORK, AND PERFORMANCES AS PART OF A LARGER CONVERSATION. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. IT WAS LED AND COORDINATED BY REED PUBLIC AND REBUILDING TOGETHER AND FUNDED BY PETALUMA, UH, PUBLIC ARTS COMMITTEE. UM, IT WAS A TWO MONTH COMMUNITY CENTERED PROGRAM IN PUTNAM PLAZA, UM, TO FOSTER LISTENING AND INCLUSION. NEXT SLIDE. THE PROJECT GENEROUS GENESIS WAS IN 2018 WHEN, UM, KATHLEEN AND WEBER AND I, THE OWNER OF DELLA FATTORIA, WERE ENGAGED IN CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN. AND WE, UM, UM, THOUGHT ABOUT THE PUBLIC SPACE AND PARTICULARLY PUTNAM PLAZA AND NEXT SLIDE. UM, AND THAT, UH, EXPANDED TO IT, UH, AN IDEA OF A DOWNTOWN PUBLIC REALM VISIONING, WHICH WE PROPOSED TO THE CITY IN, UH, 2019. AND, UH, IT WAS, UH, READY TO BE FINALIZED IN 2020. AND THEN WE KNOW IT HAPPENED IN 2020. UH, [00:05:01] SO STILL TRYING TO KEEP THINGS GOING. WE, WE WERE COMMITTED TO REINVIGORATING THE PUBLIC REALM. AND, UM, WE, DRAKE AND I PARTNERED WITH THE PETALUMA DOWNTOWN ASSOCIATION TO SER SECURE GRANT FROM CREATIVE SONOMA. AND THE GRANT FUNDED THREE PARKLETS UNDER THE CITY'S FREE RANGE PROGRAM, UH, THAT WAS DESIGNED TO HELP RESTAURANTS STAY OPEN. DURING COVID, THE PARKLETS WERE DESIGNING COLLABORATION WITH SEVERAL ARTISTS, AND WITH THE HELP OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AT DEPARTMENT AT THE CITY OF PETALUMA, THE SUCCESS OF THE PARKLETS REIN REENERGIZED, THE DOWNTOWN PUBLIC, UH, REALM VISIONING PROJECT, PUTNAM PLAZA WAS SELECTED, UH, AS A PILOT SITE DUE TO ITS CENTRAL LOCATION AND ITS NEED FOR REVISIONING. UM, THE COMMUNITY ARTS GRANT FROM PPAC HELPED US TO, UH, HELPED US WITH OUR OUTREACH PLAN TO DEVELOP THAT OUTREACH PLAN FOR ARTISTS AND VOLUNTEERS, HELPED US TO SCHEDULE THE INSTALLATIONS OF THE OUTDOOR LIVING ROOM. UM, IT HELPED US TO, UH, START AND BUILD AND MAINTAIN A WEBSITE THAT WOULD TRACK THE, THE PROJECT AND THE UM, UH, SURVEYS AND THE, UM, FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT FROM THE COMMUNITY. AND IT HELPED US TO, UM, SUPPORT AN INTERN THAT COULD ACTUALLY DO THE SURVEY, THE SURVEYS IN THE COMMUNITY. UM, THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UH, THIS, THIS IS, UM, FOUR PAGES THAT I TOOK OUT OF HER JOURNAL. SO SHE WENT, SHE SPENT TIME IN PUTNAM PLAZA AT DIFFERENT DAYS, DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE DAY, AND, UM, UH, INTERVIEWED SOME FOLKS AND WATCHED WHO CAME AND USED THE, THE PLAZA, WHERE THEY WERE HEADED, HOW THEY USED THE PLAZA, HOW THEY INTERACTED WITH THE SPACE, AND, UM, DOCUMENTED ALL THAT IN HER JOURNAL. AND THAT WENT ON TO THE WEBSITE. UH, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO, THE WEB WEB WEBSITE WAS LAUNCHED THAT SUMMER 2022. UM, AND TO SHARE NEWS AND INFORMATION, UM, AND TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY AND TO PROVIDE A INTERACTIVE TIMELINE FOR THE PROJECT. AND IT'S, IT'S STILL LIVE BY THE WAY. WE HAD MANY MEETINGS, UM, WITH STAKEHOLDERS AND, UH, ENGAGED COMMUNITY MEMBERS. MANY OF THEM WERE IN PUTNAM PLAZA. WE WERE TRYING TO SORT OF SEE HOW IT FELT THERE AND SORT OF, UH, PATTERN WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO CREATE, WHICH WAS MORE USE OF PUTNAM PLAZA. WE WERE ASKING THE QUESTION, WHAT IS PETALUMA? AND THAT IS WHEN WE CAME UP WITH THE GROUP, CAME UP WITH FEELING LIKE I AM PETALUMA WAS THE RIGHT, UM, WAY TO, UH, ADDRESS OURSELVES, UH, AND THAT EACH INDIVIDUAL IS IMPORTANT TO WHAT PETALUMA IS NEXT. UH, AND THE CONVERSATIONS CONTINUED. SO OUR TEAM SOLIDIFIED OUR KEY OBJECTIVES, WHICH WERE TO ENGAGE THREE INTEREST GROUPS WHERE COLLABORATORS, STAKEHOLDERS, AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS. UM, WE WANTED TO DRAW AND SUBMIT DESIGNS FOR EVENTS AND PERMITTING. UH, WE WANTED TO COORDINATE EVENTS AND PROGRAMMING FOR THE TWO MONTH INSTALLATION, MEASURE OUR IMPACT WITH A SET OF SOCIAL METRICS AND DOCUMENT THE PROCESS OF THE PROJECT HAPPENINGS AS PART OF THE ARTWORK. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UM, AS CYNDA SAID, WE ACTUALLY OCCUPIED THE PLAZA. SO OUR COLLABORATOR IN, UH, JULY, WE HAD A COLLABORATORS MEETING IN THE PARK ON THE LAWN, UM, SO THAT WE COULD ALL JUST GET TO KNOW THE SPACE AND, UM, SHARE OUR UNIQUE EXPERIENCES THAT AT THE SAME TIME OUR PARTNERS WERE MEETING, THAT WE WERE FOCUSING ON OUR PROJECT DELIVERABLES AND OUR OVERALL SCHEDULE. NEXT SLIDE. UH, AT THE SAME TIME, OR THE, UM, CREATIVE SONOMA INTRODUCED THEIR ARTS ROUND PROGRAM, AND, UH, I PARTICIPATED AS A, UM, I FORGET, UH, A SOMEBODY WHO HAD A PLACE. SO I WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT DIDN'T REALLY OWN THE PLACE THAT I HAD, BUT I SAID I HAD A PLACE AND THEY, UH, GAVE US THREE ARTISTS, UH, THAT WENT THROUGH THAT PROGRAM WHO WERE, UH, INTERESTED AND TRAINED TO WORK IN THE PUBLIC REALM. AND WE STARTED TO WORK WITH THOSE THREE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO FOR THEM TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO AND TO TROUBLESHOOT ANY ISSUES, POTENTIAL INSTALLATION ISSUES. NEXT, OH, I FORGOT TO MENTION ANDY SEWELL, SORRY, WHO, UH, HE ALSO WORKED IN, IN THE PLAZA RECORDING CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN COMMUNITY COMMUNITY MEMBERS ON PROMPTS. SO COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO DIDN'T ALREADY KNOW EACH OTHER. AND, UM, THE, THE, UH, IDEA WAS TO PUT THOSE ON THE WEBSITE, THOUGH THEY'RE NOT THERE YET. NEXT, UH, WE ALSO, UM, PARTICIPATED, UH, TWO OF OUR ARTISTS WITH THE, UH, THE CHESS TABLE CELEBRATION THAT HAPPENED IN APRIL. UM, WE HAD, UH, SUSAN KU, UH, HELP HAD THE COMMUNITY HELP HER MAKE SOME OF THE STREAMERS THAT SHE HUNG FROM THE TREES. AND SARAH DOWNING, UM, TOOK PHOTOGRAPHS OF PEOPLE THAT SHE USED IN HER LATER INSTALLATION AND, UM, TALKED TO THEM ABOUT THE PLAZA AND THEIR, UH, RECORDED THEIR ANSWERS. NEXT, UH, IN MAY OF 2023, WE SUBMITTED, UM, DECK DRAWINGS, [00:10:01] UM, ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS FOR THE DECK THAT WE WANTED TO PUT OVER THE LAWN IN THE CENTER OF THE PLAZA. UM, THIS WOULD BE THE SPACE WHERE WE WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE THE GATHERINGS AND THE, UM, INSTALLATION, UH, THE PERFORMANCES AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, THAT PERMIT PROCESS IS STILL PENDING. UM, WE'RE, WE'RE PROBABLY DONE WITH THAT. UH, AT THE SAME TIME, THE STREAMERS THAT SUSAN HAD INSTALLED IN THE TREES WERE VANDALIZED. UM, THEY WERE CUT DOWN AND REMOVED. UM, UH, AND SO WE HAD A MINOR SETBACK WITH THAT. UH, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UH, A MONTH LATER IN JUNE, UM, SARAH INSTALLED HER VISUALIZED ARCH, UH, INSTALLATION ON THE ARCHWAY INTO THE PLAZA. UM, THE TOP PORTION OF THAT IS STILL IN PLACE, AND THE IDEA WAS IT'S A KINETIC, INTERACTIVE PUBLIC ART PIECE INTENDED TO INCREASE DELIGHT, INTERACTION AND INCLUSIVITY FOR ALL PETALUMA RESIDENTS AND VISITORS. AND THOSE, UH, DISCS HAD, UH, PHOTOS AND, UM, SOME WORDS ON THEM THAT CAME FROM EARLIER INTERVIEWS THAT SHE DID WITH FOLKS IN THE PLAZA. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UH, AND THEN IN OCTOBER, THIS PAST OCTOBER, UH, BECKY WHITE WAS ABLE TO INSTALL HER MULTIMEDIA PRESENTATION, UM, WHICH WAS A CULMINATION OF HER THE PAST YEAR'S COLLABORATION WITH THE CREATIVE SONOMA ARTISTS AND WITH OUR GROUPS AND, AND WITH THAT SPACE. AND PETALUMA, NEXT SLIDE. THANK YOU. SO, YEAH, WE WANTED TO THANK YOU ALL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THIS. UM, AND WE REALLY FEEL LIKE WE ARE, HAVE, UH, BUILT A FOUNDATION THAT WE CAN CON TO CONTINUE TO BUILD ON AND INTEND TO CONTINUE TO BUILD ON WORKING WITH ARTISTS AND IN THE PUBLIC REALM IN, IN THE DOWNTOWN, UM, AREA. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THESE ARE THE TWO PLAQUES WE HAD THAT WERE GOING TO STAND THERE TO DESCRIBE THE ART PIECES. AND, UM, WE HAVE THESE CARDS WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO TO THE WEBSITE AND, UM, ANSWER A QUESTIONNAIRE ABOUT HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT DOWNTOWN. SO THESE, THIS IS STILL, UM, THINGS WE CAN USE IN THE FUTURE. SO THANK YOU, . THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION. WELL, I WAS GONNA OPEN UP TO THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS IF THEY'D LIKE TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR SIN AND DRAKE, UH, CHRISTOPHER. YEAH. SO YOU SHOWED THE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS FOR THE DECK, AND THAT'S SORT OF WHAT I IMAGINE WAS GONNA BE THE FOCUS OF THIS THAT WASN'T APPROVED, OR IT WAS JUST LOGISTICALLY TOO HARD TO, TO GET APPROVALS YEAH. FOR THAT IT, YES. WELL, IT'S STILL IN PROCESS AND, UM, THERE, YEAH, SO THERE WAS A CONCERN OVER, UM, THE, THE, THE ZONING FOR THE PARK. SO THAT IS A PASS THROUGH PARK, SO THEY DON'T, THE, THE CITY DOESN'T ACTUALLY ISSUE PERMITS TO DO THINGS IN THAT PARK. WAS, WAS OUR, WERE THE INITIAL ANSWERS WE GOT. SO WE STARTED WORKING WITH THAT. UM, HOW WE GET AROUND THAT, UM, HOW WE GET PERMITS TO BUILD IN A PUBLIC SPACE AND ALL THAT, AND ALL, ALL THOSE, ALL THAT, THAT PROCESS WAS ACTUALLY WHAT WE WERE, UH, WORKING ON. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT OUR PIECE WAS REALLY ABOUT. THE IDEA OF HOW TO, UM, MAKE THESE THINGS HAPPEN IN THE COMMUNITY. UM, THIS WAS AN EXAMPLE OF A GREAT LEARNING EXPERIENCE FOR US. I'M A RETIRED CONTRACTOR, CI IS A DESIGN PROFESSIONAL, AND WE WERE UNABLE TO GET A PERMIT THROUGH THE CITY TO PUT IN A DECK. SO THERE'S CHALLENGES THERE. I MEAN, WE, WE'D LOVE THE CITY, WE WANNA DO STUFF HERE, WE LOVE WORKING WITH THE CITY. BUT THAT WAS LIKE ONE OF THOSE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE TO COME, UH, THAT, THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH. 'CAUSE IF WE COULDN'T DO THAT, HOW DO, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW DO REGULAR COMMUNITY MEMBERS, PEOPLE WITH A SMALL GROUP THAT WANT TO GET TOGETHER, HOW DO THEY EVEN START? I MEAN, WE KNEW WHAT TO DO, HOW TO DO IT, WHO TO ASK, AND IT STILL WAS MONUMENTAL TASK. SO, UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THOSE ARE THE SORTS OF THINGS THAT WE WANNA BUILD ON WITH FUTURE PROJECTS IS HOW DO WE GET AROUND THESE HURDLES SO THAT WE HAVE EQUITABLE, UH, ACCESS TO, TO THE, UH, PUBLIC WITH, UM, MEETING SPACES, CREATIVE SPACES, ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF. GREAT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND PART OF THIS PROGRAM WAS ALL ABOUT SORT OF EMPOWERING A, A, AN IDEA OR THAT'S, THAT'S FAIRLY WELL DIRECTED, INDEPENDENTLY DRIVEN, UM, BY, BY FUNDING IT. AND IN THIS CASE, YOU HAD A REALLY COOL AMBITIOUS AGENDA OR IDEA AND THAT THAT'S WHAT WE SUPPORTED. WE DIDN'T, WE, I GUESS WE INTENTIONALLY BY DESIGN DON'T PAY A LOT OF ATTENTION ALONG THE WAY. WE SORT OF LET THE, THE RESULTS JUST SORT OF POP UP. WHAT WOULD YOU SUGGEST THAT, UM, IF ANYTHING THAT COULD, THAT WE COULD DO TO HELP GUIDE FUTURE APPLICANTS FOR THIS PROGRAM TO MAKE IT MORE SUCCESSFUL FROM THE GET-GO? WOULD IT BE LIKE GRILLING NEW, LIKE, LIKE HOLDING TO VERY HIGH STANDARD FOR DELIVERABLES AHEAD OF TIME? OR [00:15:01] WHAT WOULD IT BE? I DON'T KNOW. IT'S, I, UH, DRAKE MAY HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT. I, I, I, UM, I FOUND I WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED THAT WE GOT APPROVED BY A BRANCH OF THE CITY, YOU, YOU ALL TO DO SOMETHING, BUT THEN THE OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY DIDN'T SEEM TO BE ON BOARD. AND I MEAN, THAT'S VERY NAIVE, BUT, UM, THEY CERTAINLY WEREN'T FACILITATING WHAT ONE, WHAT ARM. ONE ARM SAID, YES, LET'S DO THIS AND HERE'S THE MONEY. AND THE OTHER ARM SAID NOT SO FAST. AND I THINK I WOULD ADD, UM, I, THIS WAS THE, A NEW ADVENTURE FOR US AND PROBABLY, UM, FOR THIS COMMITTEE TO, TO SORT OF TAKE, UH, YEAH, THE DELIVERABLES WEREN'T CLEAR, YOU KNOW, OR, OR AT LEAST WEREN'T EASILY, UH, UNDERSTOOD THAT THEY, THAT THEY WOULD HAPPEN. WE WEREN'T SURE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN FROM THIS. THIS WAS PART, THIS WAS A, A STEP TOWARD A BIG PICTURE THAT WE HAVE. AND THAT IS SORT OF LIKE THE TRANSFORMATION OF THE PUBLIC SPACE, WHICH IS A BIG NOTION. UM, SO IN THAT SENSE, I THINK, UM, WE FEEL, WE FEEL LIKE THERE WAS GREAT SUCCESS IN, IN SOME PARTS OF IT. AND THEN THERE WASN'T, BECAUSE WE HAD TO HAVE A GOAL AND WE DIDN'T QUITE HIT THE GOAL WE WANTED TO, BUT WE DO SEE IT AS A STEP. AND I THINK WHAT WE WOULD SUGGEST IS IF A SIMILAR PROJECT COMES FORWARD LIKE THIS, USE US AS RESOURCES TO TALK ABOUT, UM, THOSE ISSUES THAT WE DEALT WITH AND HOW TO GET, HOW TO POSSIBLY GET AROUND THEM OR, OR, UM, OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT TO TAKE OUT OF THE EQUATION IMMEDIATELY. I, I'D ALSO SAY THAT WE ALSO MET IN THE PLAZA WITH, UM, THE CITY MANAGER AND WITH THE MAYOR. AND, AND THEY'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE, THE BUILT IDEAS. SO I, I DON'T THINK THAT THIS WHOLE THING IS FROM THAT STANDPOINT IS DEAD, BUT THE EVENTS, UH, ESPECIALLY A A SCALE THAT WE WERE THINKING OF REALLY SCARED THEM OFF QUITE A BIT. SO WE HAD TO, UH, SCALE THAT DOWN AND ACCEPT SOME RESPONSIBILITIES, UH, UH, THAT WE AGREED TO FOR, UM, WHAT WE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WOULD BE LIABLE FOR AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT, UM, I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, STAY TUNED. I, I DON'T THINK THIS IS, IS THE END, AS DRAKE HAS SAID. UM, YEAH, I WOULD ADD, UH, SO WHAT, YOU KNOW, OF WHAT WE WERE PLANNING WAS NOTHING THAT WAS GONNA GENERATE A LOT OF MONEY THE WAY LIKE A, UM, MUSICAL EVENT MIGHT. UM, BUT THE AMOUNT OF INSURANCE, THE, THE AMOUNT OF SECURITY THAT, UM, WE WERE ASKED TO PROVIDE, UM, SORT OF WAS, WAS LIMITING IN THAT SENSE IN A, IN A, UM, FINANCIAL SENSE. SO ANOTHER, UM, THING TO CONSIDER WHEN SMALLER GROUPS COME AND WANT TO GET DO GATHERINGS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SURE. THANK YOU. I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DID DO, DO. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAD A LOT OF LIMITATIONS THAT WERE KIND OF BEYOND OUR KNOWLEDGE AS WELL. UM, WE ARE AN ADVISORY BODY, SO WE AREN'T CONNECTED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT ASIDE FROM THROUGH DAVID WARD, WHO'S OUR STAFF PERSON. SO I CAN SEE WHILE WE ARE CONNECTED WITH THE CITY, WE REALLY DON'T GET TO, TO STEP IN AND HAVE ANY SAY BEYOND APPROVING A PROJECT OF A CERTAIN AMOUNT. UM, WHAT I DID WANNA SAY IS IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF ASSETS OF INFORMATION FROM WHAT THE DOWNTOWN WANTS TO SEE AND FROM WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS ASKING FOR FROM THAT AREA. SO I WONDERED IF MAYBE THAT WOULD BE GOOD CONTENT TO PROVIDE THE CITY WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING AT ANY KIND OF ZONING OR FU FUTURE PLANS FOR THAT TO KIND OF HAVE THAT WITHIN THE RECORD BECAUSE THAT KIND OF INFORMATION, IT COULD BE REDUNDANT IF THEY HAVE TO GO AND DO A BUNCH OF OUTREACH LATER. MM-HMM. THAT YOU CAPTURED A RIGHT NOW AMOUNT. 'CAUSE I SAW HOW MUCH YOU WERE WORKING TO INTERVIEW AND HAVE MEETINGS AND MM-HMM, AND YOUR STAFF, YOUR, UM, YOUR INTERN WAS REALLY AMAZING. AND SO I FEEL LIKE THERE WAS JUST A WEALTH OF INFORMATION IF THAT COULD BE MADE ACCESSIBLE, MAYBE THE CITY COULD USE IT. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU THINK COULD BE USED, DAVID? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. I THINK THAT THIS PROJECT REALLY STARTED TO UNRAVEL THE COMPLICATIONS WITH THAT SPACE. AND I THINK THAT THIS ISN'T A UN I, IT'S UNIQUE. YES, IT'S AN EXTREMELY UNIQUE SPACE, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S THE ONLY ONE IN PETALUMA THAT WOULD REALLY BE A PLACE TO CHAMPION COMMUNITY BUILDING. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT IF, I DON'T WANNA PUT WORDS IN YOUR GUYS' MOUTH, BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE SEEKING TO DO AND UNDERSTAND THAT PROCESS AND START TO, YOU KNOW, UM, PAVE THE WAY AND, YOU KNOW, REALLY GO OUT INTO THE FRONTIER ABOUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. UM, AND I WAS, UH, I'LL, I'LL ADMIT MY, I WAS A LITTLE DIS DISAPPOINTED THAT I DIDN'T HAVE THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO ME TO GIVE THEM THE ANSWERS THAT THEY WANTED TOO. SO I THINK WE ALL LEARNED A LOT ABOUT THIS. AND IT TRULY WAS A PILOT PROGRAM, THIS WHOLE COMMUNITY ARTS PROGRAM THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER BY THE COMMITTEE. SO, UM, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF TAKEAWAYS HERE. AND I WOULD, I WOULD, UM, THINK THAT'S EXTREMELY INVALUABLE INFORMATION TO HAVE. AND SO WHEN THERE WILL INEVITABLY BE ANOTHER [00:20:01] PROJECT EITHER FROM YOU GUYS OR FROM SOMEBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LOVE TO SHOWCASE THAT SPACE AND MAKE IT SOMETHING SPECIAL. SO I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THOSE ACCESS TO THAT. UM, JUST TO HAVE IT DOCUMENTED AND GREAT. WHEN'S THE NEXT GRANT AVAILABLE? . . THAT'S THESE GUYS DEPARTMENTS. THANK YOU THOUGH THAT I APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS. 'CAUSE I SAW YOU BOTH REALLY TRIED TO WORK WITH THIS SITUATION, SO WE'LL SEE DOWN THE ROAD. WHAT HAPPENS THERE? YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK DRAKE'S POINT IN, IN DAVID AS WELL IS LIKE, OUR GOAL WASN'T REALLY JUST TO GET ART IN PUBLIC IN PUTNAM PLAZA. OUR GOAL WAS TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE THINGS HAPPEN AND HOW TO BRING COMMUNITY TOGETHER. AND, AND I THINK THERE WAS BENEFITS TO PUTNAM PLAZA, EV EVEN BECAUSE OF WHAT WE DID. I THINK THAT THE COMMUNITY, UM, THE BUSINESSES DEMANDED MORE POLICING PARTLY AS A RESULT OF THE, UH, SOME OF THE ARTS. SO, UM, I FEEL LIKE WHEN WE REMEMBER THE BIGGER IDEA OF WHAT WE ARE, WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS, UH, I THINK THAT WE, THIS IS A GOOD STEP ALONG THE WAY, SO THANK YOU AGAIN. YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO ADD, I WAS, UH, EXCITED WHEN YOU GUYS BROUGHT THIS TO PARKS AND REC. UM, 'CAUSE I REMEMBER PUTNAM PLAZA 20 YEARS AGO, AND THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. MM-HMM. LIKE EVERYONE MET THERE. IT WAS SUCH LIKE A SPOT IN THE CITY WHERE YOU COULD ALWAYS GO AND FIND SOMEONE TO TALK TO OR WHATEVER, BUT THE BUSINESSES REALLY CATERED TO THAT, THAT WERE IN THAT PLAZA. UHHUH, UHHUH . AND NOW THEY GO AND THAT'S NOT THERE ANYMORE. UHHUH . SO THERE WAS LIKE HOT LIPS PIZZA THAT HAD TABLES OUT AND THEY HAD CHESS BOARDS AND THERE WAS ANOTHER SMALL SANDWICH SHOP AND THERE WAS PERRY'S DELI AND IT WAS JUST A AFFORDABLE FOOD, AND THEY DIDN'T NOT LET TEENAGERS HANG OUT AT THEIR TABLES. SO I THINK THE, IT'S JUST CHANGED. THAT'S INTERESTING TO KNOW THAT HISTORY. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. AND THE SKATE SHOP WAS THERE, SO IT WAS JUST LIKE, THERE WAS A LOT OF YOUTH ENERGY AND MM-HMM. . NO ONE LIKE WAS LIKE, GET OUT OF OUR RESTAURANT. YOU CAN'T SIT HERE. THIS IS FOR CUSTOMERS ONLY. SO I THINK THE VIBE DOWN THERE HAS JUST CHANGED A LOT, UNFORTUNATELY. ALL RIGHT. WELL WE HAVEN'T GIVEN UP. WE'RE STILL THINKING ABOUT WHAT TO DO WITH THOSE ALLEYS, SO WE MIGHT BE BACK. , BE BACK. ANN, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? . OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. I JUST, I, UM, WENT ON THIS WEBSITE AND I SAW ON THE TOP RIGHT YOU HAVE A LINK TO YOUR INSTAGRAM. UM, AND I KNOW THIS WHOLE PROJECT IS TO BRING TOGETHER THE COMMUNITY AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE ACTUAL PICTURES ON THAT INSTAGRAM . THAT'S REALLY COOL. UM, I LOVE THIS SPACE. UM, I'M PRETTY NEW TO PETALUMA AND MY FIRST TIME ACTUALLY VISITING, I WALKED THROUGH AND I SAW, UM, SOME TEENAGERS PLAYING NIRVANA AND THEY WERE REALLY GOOD. AND I WAS LIKE, WOW, THIS IS REALLY COOL. WHAT A, WHAT A COOL THING GOING ON. SO IT'S REALLY COOL TO MEET YOU GUYS AND SEE THAT YOU'RE BEHIND THE PROJECT. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU, ANN. YEAH, I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION. UM, YOU'VE ALLUDED TO MORE PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, ON THE HEELS OF THIS. AND I WAS WONDERING, UM, TWO THINGS. WHEN DOES THE, UH, THE, THIS, THE INSTALLATION THAT'S CURRENTLY OUT THERE, HOW LONG IS THE WILL THAT BE HANGING? AND THEN DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT WILL BE MOVING INTO THIS SPACE AFTERWARDS? OR IS THIS A WRAP ON THIS PARTICULAR GRANT? UH, THIS IS A WRAP AND SARAH'S, THE REST OF SARAH'S PIECE CAN COME DOWN ANYTIME SHE WAS GOING OUT OF TOWN AND THERE HAD BEEN, UM, SOME DRUNK PERSON WALKED THROUGH HER INSTALLATION, SO SHE DIDN'T WANNA BE OUT OF TOWN AND HAVE IT FALLING APART. SO WE TOOK DOWN THE ACCESSIBLE PARK AND PART. AND, UH, SO, UM, I DON'T, I HAVEN'T TALKED TO HER SINCE I'VE BEEN BACK UNTIL WHEN SHE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE REST OF IT DOWN. IF, UH, IF OUR PERMIT EVER GETS APPROVED FOR THE DECK WE'LL, WE'LL DO SOMETHING ELSE TO PAUSE. , THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANKS. THANK YOU. WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO, BURNING MAN WITH KEVIN. YEAH. CHAIR, WE ARE, UM, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THIS ITEM TO THE NEXT MEETING. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO PUT THINGS TOGETHER. UM, I HOPE THAT AGENDA CHANGE IS ALL RIGHT. THAT'S TOTALLY FINE. . UM, OKAY. AND THEN WE WILL MOVE [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] ON TO APPROVAL OF MINUTES. ITEM NUMBER THREE. DID ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR EDITS? OKAY. WE WILL MOVE [PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION] FORWARD TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION. THE WOVEN STORIES, PROJECT BUDGET EXTENSION, THAT'S ME. UM, LET ME SHARE MY SCREEN. I'VE PUT TOGETHER A QUICK VISUAL. UM, I HOPE EVERYBODY HAD TIME TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE STAFF REPORT. UM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WOVEN [00:25:01] STORIES, UM, UH, PROJECT BUDGET EXTENSION TO ACCOMMODATE SOME OF THE INSTALLATION COSTS. SO I AM GOING TO QUICKLY JUST PROVIDE A, A OVERVIEW FOR ANYBODY THAT'S WATCHING AT HOME AND MAYBE THOSE WHO AREN'T SUPER FAMILIAR WITH THE PROJECT. BUT, UM, I'LL START WITH THE RECOMMENDATION. IT'S RECOMMENDED THAT WE CONSIDER THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE CONSIDER ALLOCATING FUNDING FROM THE PUBLIC ART FUND TO SUPPORT INSTALLATION COSTS FOR THE APPROVED WOVEN STORIES PROJECT, WHICH IS LOCATED AT OR ANTICIPATED TO BE LOCATED AT THE KENWORTH JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL CAMPUS AT 800 RIESLING ROAD. THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM. UM, AND ON YOUR SCREEN, YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOUR, UH, AVAILABLE ACTIONS. SO, UM, YOU GET A PROVEN ALLOCATION OF A DETERMINED AMOUNT, AND I'LL, I'LL TALK ABOUT WHY $6,700 WAS CHOSEN. UH, YOU CAN CONTINUE THE ITEM TO A LATER MEETING, OR YOU CAN TAKE NO ACTION, WHICH WOULD LEAVE THE PROJECT AT ITS REMAINING, UH, CURRENT AMOUNT. UM, AND A SECOND MOTION, OBVIOUSLY IS, IS NEEDED TO CALL, VOTE, UH, BACKGROUND. THIS PROJECT WAS SELECTED, UH, AS PART OF THE 2021 SMALL ARTWORK COMMISSION, UH, OCTOBER 28TH, 2021. THIS GROUP, CALDERONE DELGADO, AND ROUGHAGE COLLECTIVE WERE BOTH, UH, SELECTED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROPOSALS, UH, PROJECT AND GIVEN A HONORARIUM IN FEBRUARY OF 22, THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE UNANIMOUSLY VOTED, UH, THAT THE WOVEN STORIES PROJECT PROPOSAL MOVED FORWARD AND BE INTENDED FOR THE KENNELWORTH JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL CAMPUS. AND THROUGHOUT 22 AND 23, THE CITY AND THE PETALUMA JOINT UNION HIGH SCHOOL DISTRICT, WELL, I'LL JUST CALL THE DISTRICT. UM, WERE REVIEWING THE PROPOSED PROJECT SITE, UM, AND TALKING ABOUT HOW TO CONFIRM A LICENSE AGREEMENT, WHICH WAS A FIRST TIME THING THAT, UH, THIS PROGRAM AND COMMITTEE HAVE EVER DONE. AND SO, UH, FROM THERE, THE, UH, ARTISTS, UH, HAVE COMPLETED FABRICATION AND ARE PREPARED TO INSTALL. THIS IS THE OVERVIEW OF THE ARTWORK. IT IS A, UH, CREATED FROM A NATURAL CALCITE T TRAVERTINE AND SANDSTONE PIECES WITH INLAID CERAMIC TILES. UH, IT WAS DESIGNED WITH SOME RESEARCH AND OUTREACH TO THE FEDERATED INDIANS OF GREAT RANCHERIA AND RESEARCH AT THE NORTHWEST INFORMATION CENTER AT SSU. AND ALSO WITH THE HELP OF FACULTY FROM, UH, KEN KENILWORTH JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL. UH, IT IS A CELEBRATION OF CULTURALLY UNIQUE BASKET WEAVING TECHNIQUES FROM THE COAST MEOC NATION. AND, UH, IT'S A TRIBUTE AND TO THE STEWARDSHIP AND HERITAGE OF THE PETALUMA, UH, OF PETALUMA, AND INTENDED TO ALSO HAVE EDUCATIONAL INTERPRETATION, UH, FOR THE KENNELWORTH JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS, UM, TO ENGAGE WITH THAT AND, UH, BUILD SOME CURRICULUM AROUND THAT AS WELL. SO, UH, THE LAST PIECE IS THE TOP PIECE. THE CALCITE STONE IS, UM, IT CAN ROTATE AND IT WILL BE ILLUMINATED BY THE SUN. UM, SO IT HAS THAT INTERACTION PIECE WITH IT, UH, PROJECT SITE HERE. THE RENDERING ISN'T UPDATED. SO THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL PLACEMENT THAT WE WERE THINKING. AND, UM, AFTER CONVERSATION WITH THE, UH, WITH FACULTY AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, UH, THAT RED CIRCLE ON YOUR RIGHT IMAGE IS, UH, A MORE ACCURATE SPACE OF WHERE WE'RE INTENDING TO INSTALL THE ARTWORK. AND A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE INSTALLATION, IT'S GOING TO BE SITTING ON A CONCRETE BASE THAT'S, UH, 18 INCHES DEEP AND FOUR FEET IN DIAMETER. IT'S HELD TOGETHER WITH THREE, UH, THREE STAINLESS STEEL PINS. UM, AND THAT'S WHAT KEEPS THESE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS TOGETHER. AND, UM, WE ARE GOING THROUGH A BUILDING PERMIT, UH, PROCESS RIGHT NOW AND TALKING ABOUT THE CONCRETE BEING POURED AND CURED IN TIME FOR, UM, THE PIECE THAT'S BEING BUILT IN LA AND THEN BROUGHT UP HERE AND, UM, READY TO BE ASSEMBLED AND PUT TOGETHER ON SITE, WHICH I WAS TOLD CAN PROBABLY HAPPEN IN A DAY OR TWO OVER THE WEEKEND. UM, THE CONCRETE OBVIOUSLY TAKES A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO POUR AND CURE, BUT, UM, ONLY A MATTER OF, UH, TWO OR THREE WEEKS AT, AT THE MOST. SO THE DISCUSSION TODAY AND WHY THIS ITEM IS BEFORE THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE IS THAT THE LEAD ARTIST. SO, UM, ROBERTO DELGADO IS NO LONGER REALLY INVOLVED IN THE PROJECT. HE, UH, DESIGNED, HE DID SOME OF THE RESEARCH AND DID THE, DESIGNED THE CERAMIC INLAY TILE. SO IT'S MOSTLY JUST RUDY, WHO'S THE LEAD ARTIST. AND SO HE'S, UH, IN CHARGE OF PULLING THE PERMIT AND D UH, HANDLING THE INSTALLATION AND ALL THAT. AND SO THE ITEMS YOU'RE LOOKING, THE FIRST THREE ITEMS, OR EXCUSE ME, FOUR ITEMS ARE COVERED BY THE REMAINING PROJECT BUDGET. THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL 25,000 AWARDED BY THIS COMMITTEE. SO, UH, RUDY HAS OUTLINED THE SHIPPING COST, WHICH HAS COVERED THE INSTALLATION VENDOR. UM, HE ALSO HAS THAT $2,500 CONTINGENCY, AND THEY ALSO PUT IN THE PERMIT PREPARATION BECAUSE THAT WASN'T, UM, SOMETHING THAT WAS CONSIDERED AT THE TIME THAT THEY PUT TOGETHER THE PRELIMINARY BUDGET. SO WE'VE PAID OUT MILESTONES [00:30:01] ONE, TWO, AND THREE, WHICH THAT'S, UH, WE'VE COVERED $20,000 OF THAT $25,000 AWARD. THE LAST 5,000 IS RESERVED FOR THE ARTWORK PLAQUE. UM, AND SOME OF THE ARTIST'S PAYMENT, WHICH WAS, UH, PRETTY SMALL IN TERMS OF THE OVERALL COST. AND THEN THE ITEMS THAT ARE NOT OUTLINED IN THE PRELIMINARY PROJECT BUDGET ARE THE PERMIT COSTS, WHICH IS AROUND, WE'RE, WE'RE APPROXIMATING $2,000 CONCRETE, WHICH IS A MUCH MORE FIRM BID THAT WE HAVE A $3,200, AND THEN AN UNVEILING AND DEDICATION EVENT, WHICH WOULD BE ROUGHLY $1,500. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN OVERAGE OF $6,700. AND I'VE BEEN WORKING, SO LISA, UH, DAVIS, AND, UH, RUDY AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER TO FIGURE OUT THESE INSTALLATION COSTS AND WHAT'S NEEDED FOR EXECUTION. AND, UH, WE'VE ALSO, I'VE BEEN RELAYING THAT INFORMATION TO OUR SUBCOMMITTEE, UH, FOR THIS PROJECT AS WELL, WHICH BRINGS US TO THE CONVERSATION AND THE RECOMMENDATION. AND I THREW IN A COUPLE EXTRA THINGS TO HELP FACILITATE THE CONVERSATION A LITTLE BIT TOO. SO, UM, SOME OF THE REASONS THAT WOULD SUPPORT, UH, APPROVING A, AN EXTENSION TO THIS BUDGET, UH, OR AN OVERAGE AMOUNT, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, IS FOR PROJECT COMPLETION, BUT ALSO FOR ARTIST COMPENSATION. AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE DON'T TALK ABOUT, UM, A A TON BECAUSE WE ONLY WORK WITH SO MANY ARTISTS EACH YEAR. BUT, YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDED ARTIST FEES ARE TYPICALLY BETWEEN 20 AND 40%. AND THAT'S, THAT'S A PRETTY WIDE RANGE. UM, A LOT OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE SCALE, THE MATERIAL YOU'RE WORKING WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, THE LOCATION, THE COMPLEXITY. SO THAT'S A ROUGH GUESS. BUT, UM, SOMETHING STILL TO USE AS A, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHAT OF A BENCHMARK. AND THEN THE PERMIT COSTS, AT THE TIME THAT WE APPROVED THE PROJECT WEREN'T FULLY KNOWN. WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT KINDS OF, IF WE WERE GONNA NEED AN ENCROACHMENT PERMIT OR A BUILDING PERMIT, UH, WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF, I GUESS WE COULD HAVE GUESSED ABOUT THE CONCRETE. UM, BUT THERE WERE ALSO SOME TIMELINE DELAYS TOO WITH WORKING WITH THE DISTRICT. AND THIS WAS, UM, UNCHARTED TERRITORY FOR US. SO I THINK THERE WERE A COUPLE THINGS THAT ALSO FED INTO WHY WE'RE HERE, WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, ADDING AN EXTENSION ONTO THE BUDGET. UM, AND THEN ALSO MY LAST BULLET ON THERE TOO IS THAT UTILIZING THAT $2,500 PROJECT CONTINGENCY, WHICH RUDY CONFIRMED, HE HASN'T TOUCHED THAT UH, AMOUNT YET. UM, AND I THINK THAT, UH, IT'S IMPORTANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT ANY REMAINING FUNDS, IF WE DO TALK ABOUT APPROVING A PROJECT EXTENSION, WE, THAT MONEY WOULD BE USED FIRST. AND ANY MONEY THAT REMAINS FROM THIS EXTENSION WOULD BE RETURNED BACK TO THE PUBLIC ART FUND IF THESE COSTS END UP BEING LOWER THAN THE, UH, ESTIMATES THAT I'VE PUT TOGETHER. I, I WENT WITH RELATIVELY CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATES BECAUSE I THINK THAT IT'S ALWAYS NICER IF WE'RE GONNA ASK FOR MORE MONEY, WE SHOOT HIGH, AND THEN HOPEFULLY WE COME IN UNDER, AND THEN WE'RE IN A BETTER POSITION THAN HAVING TO ASK FOR MORE. SO, UM, I PUT BACK IN THE RECOMMENDATION, UM, TO REMIND US WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. BUT, UM, I THINK THAT ABOUT SUMMARIZES THE DISCUSSION AND I'LL HAND IT BACK OVER TO YOU, MELISSA. THANK YOU, DAVID, FOR THE UPDATE. UM, WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO BEGIN THE CONVERSATION OR DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR DAVID? WHY CAN'T THE CITY JUST WAIVE THE PERMIT FEES? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. UM, THE PERMIT FEES ARE, IT'S, UM, IT'S NOT TYPICAL TO WAIVE PER PERMIT FEES, UM, WHICH ISN'T A GOOD ANSWER, BUT ALSO IT PAYS FOR INSPECTORS TIMES TO GO OUT AND MAKE SURE THAT THINGS ARE SAFELY AND DONE CORRECTLY. AND, UM, OBVIOUSLY THE CITY WORKS ON COST RECOVERY, SO, UH, IF WE DON'T PAY PEOPLE TO GO AND DO THEIR JOB AND INSPECT EVEN ARTWORK, UM, IT, IT COULD POSE A RELATIVELY BAD SITUATION FOR US. AND SO, UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN'T WAIVE. SO THOSE WORKERS ARE JUST ON CALL, THEY'RE NOT GETTING PAID HOURLY, BUT THEY'RE NOT GETTING PAID. WELL. IT, I THINK IT HELPS SUPPORT LIKE THE, THE BUILDING DIVISION'S OVERALL COSTS. OKAY. JUST SEEMS LIKE WITH THE LAST THING, THE PERMIT WAS THE ISSUE, AND, YOU KNOW, IF THE CITY'S TRYING TO LIKE, EMBRACE ART IN THE PUBLIC, I THINK THEY'D BE LIKE, OH, WELL, I DON'T KNOW. ANYWAYS, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. NO, I AGREE WITH YOU BECAUSE, UM, THE LAST THREE OR FOUR PROJECTS WE'VE WORKED ON, THE NEXT ONE ON THE AGENDA, THERE'S ALWAYS A PERMIT ISSUE, AND IT ALWAYS COMES AFTER THE COMMISSION, THE PROJECT HAS BEEN CREATED, AND I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE, UM, USEFUL AND PRUDENT OF US TO INVESTIGATE WHAT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES DO BECAUSE I'VE BEEN LED TO BELIEVE THAT, UM, OTHER DISTRICTS ACTUALLY TAKE CARE OF THE PERMITS OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF WORK OF THE ARTISTS. SO I'M SURE IT'S A MIXED BAG, BUT WE REALLY NEED TO INVESTIGATE FOR, YOU KNOW, CITIES OUR SIZE, SORT OF WHAT IS STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE, BECAUSE I FEEL [00:35:01] LIKE THIS, UM, IS A GOTCHA AT THE END OF MOST OF OUR PROJECTS, AND IT REALLY SHOULDN'T BE. SO I, I DEFINITELY AGREE THAT IT SEEMS FRUSTRATING THAT PARTICULARLY WITH OUR SCULPTURAL PROJECTS, WE KEEP GETTING SHOCKED AT THE END. AND PART OF IT IS JUST UNKNOWN QUANTITIES. IF A PROJECT'S DELAYED, THE COST OF MATERIALS GO UP, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THIS POOR ARTIST IS MAKING NOTHING, AND IT'S, IT'S A REALITY. WE HAVE TO START CONSIDERING THAT MAYBE OUR SCULPTURES COST MORE THAN WHAT WE'RE PAYING ON THE FRONT END. AND I THINK WHEN WE GO TO BUDGET, AGAIN, WE HAVE THESE NEW KNOWN QUANTITIES, KNOWN EXPERIENCES WHERE WE CAN SAY, OKAY, REALISTICALLY WE CAN'T GET A SCULPTURE FOR $25,000 INSTALLED AND THROUGH PROCESS AND REALLY FOR THE AMOUNT OF TIME, WHAT THE ARTIST IS TAKING AWAY IS A PITTANCE. AND I'M NOT TOTALLY PROUD TO BE AT THE FRONT END OF THAT EITHER. YOU KNOW, I, I WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO LIVE AND BE CREATIVE ALSO. SO IT'S KNOWLEDGE UN UNFORTUNATELY HARD EARNED KNOWLEDGE, BUT NOW WE KNOW IT. AND I JUST WANTED TO ADD, WE SEEM TO RELY A LOT ON THE BACKEND THROUGH PRO BONO WORK FROM A HANDFUL OF COMPANIES HERE IN PETALUMA THAT WE'RE CONTINUOUSLY TAPPING INTO OR THINKING, OH, WE CAN GET THIS, OR WE CAN GET THIS, OR, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF IN KIND. AND I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A STRONG POSITION FOR US TO BE IN AS A CITY. WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, ALWAYS TAP INTO, UM, WHAT OUR COMMUNITY IS WILLING TO PROVIDE. SO ANOTHER POINT, TO BE FAIR, UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO USE A LOT OF THOSE PARTNERS YET. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT AND ASKED THEM FOR PLANNING TIME, AND YEAH, HOPEFULLY WE WILL. BUT I KNOW THAT IT REBUILDING TOGETHER HAS EXPRESSED THAT THIS ONE, THEY WANT THIS KIND OF ASSISTANCE TO BE PART OF THEIR BUDGETING FOR THEIR GOALS AS WELL. SO I THINK THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN PARTNERSHIPS THAT THEY'RE, THEY WANT TO BE INVOLVED THAT WAY, BUT I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND NOT WANTING TO BE CHEAP SKATES ABOUT THINGS. CHRISTOPHER. YEAH. WELL, UM, STARTING WITH HANNAH AND GOING TO ANNE AND THEN CHAIR ABERCROMBIE, I COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE EVERY POINT YOU'VE MADE, AND IT'S, I'D JUST LOVE TO LET YOU KEEP TALKING ABOUT THIS BECAUSE IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT'S SO, UM, IT DOES, IT, IT IT'S SO RECURRING, RIGHT? AND IT'S, SO I THINK IT'S FUNNY THAT WE'RE, WE'VE BEEN AT THIS AS A COMMITTEE FOR WELL OVER A DECADE AND INSTITUTIONALLY WE DON'T HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF, OF HOW THIS REALLY WORKS AND, AND WHY WE'RE RUNNING INTO A REQUEST FOR LIKE, ADDING 25% TO THE COST OF THIS TINY COMMISSION AT THIS POINT IS, IS FRUSTRATING. I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE ALL FEELING THAT ASIDE FROM THE DOLLARS WE WANT TO PAY THE ARTISTS, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE REALISTIC, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE, THAT THEY FEEL GREAT ABOUT THE PROJECT FROM THE BEGINNING TO THE END. THE COMMUNITY TAKES IT FROM THERE AND FEELS GOOD ABOUT THE PROJECT, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS IT'S UP IN THE COMMUNITY. SO I, THERE ARE A COUPLE THINGS THAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS JUST ASK, UM, DAVID NOW AND THEN FUTURE, UM, PUBLIC ARTS SPECIALIST TO DOCUMENT AS WELL AS YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, UM, RETROSPECTIVELY ON ALL OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE DONE, TRY AND DO THE, UM, SORT OF REPORT ON WHAT WE COULD HAVE FORESEEN, DOCUMENT WHAT THE COSTS WERE THAT WE EVENTUALLY FOUND OUT AND PUT THEM IN A CENTRAL PLACE WHERE A FUTURE PUBLIC ART SPECIALIST COULD LOOK AT AND SAY LIKE, WOW, WE DIDN'T FORESEE THIS THING, BUT WE SHOULD HAVE LOOKED AT PERMITS. WE SHOULD HAVE LOOKED AT THE, THIS CONTRACTOR FEE FOR, FOR, FOR DOING THIS EXTRA WORK. AND WE ALSO, I THINK, HAVE TO BE REALISTIC EVEN WHEN WE RAISE MAYBE THE, THE, THE SIZE OF THESE OR INCREASE THE SIZE OF, OF THESE COMMISSIONS, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT SCRUTINIZED WHAT'S BEING PROMISED BY THE ARTIST AND REALLY HAVE A REALITY CHECK IN WITH THEM AHEAD OF TIME AND FEEL FREE TO ADJUST THE COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE ON IF WE SEE FIT. AND, UH, BUT I THINK DOCUMENTING NOW DOING THE HARD WORK TO GET TOGETHER SOME SORT OF REPOSITORY OF KNOWLEDGE THAT WE CAN KEEP REFERENCING AND KEEP BUILDING UPON, SO WE LEAD OFF PROJECTS ON A MUCH MORE SOUND FOOTING, I THINK WOULD SERVE US WELL. SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR, YOUR COMMENTS, CHERYL. YEAH, SO CHRISTOPHER AND I ARE ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE WORKING WITH THIS, AND DAVID LET US KNOW THAT THESE COSTS WERE COMING UP, UM, AND ALL THE QUESTIONS YOU'VE RAISED, WE RAISED AND DISCUSSED, [00:40:01] UM, THROUGH THIS GIANT THREAD, UM, TRYING TO FIGURE IT ALL OUT. UM, AND SO IN ADDITION TO WHAT CHRISTOPHER JUST SHARED, WHAT I WAS WONDERING IS WHEN WE DO THIS AGAIN, THAT WE IDENTIFY THESE COSTS SO THAT LIKE IN THIS CASE, INSTEAD OF BEING 25,000, IT'S GONNA BE OVER 30,000 AND MAYBE WE COULD BREAK THAT OUT AND SAY 25,000 IS GOING TO THE ARTIST FOR THESE THINGS, AND THEN WE'RE ALSO INCLUDING IN OUR ORIGINAL BUDGET 2000 FOR CEMENT AND 2000 FOR FEES IN 2000 FOR THIS. SO, UM, NOW THAT WE KNOW ABOUT THEM, THEN DO THAT UPFRONT SO WE KNOW, OKAY, THIS IS PART OF OUR COST THAT WE NEED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE'RE COVERING, AND THEN THE REST IS UP TO THE ARTIST. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, YEAH. AND I, I'D LIKE TO ADD, WHEN I USED TO WORK FOR CITY OF SANTA ROSA AND HANDLING SOME OF THEIR PUBLIC ART COLLECTION, THAT'S, TO CHERYL'S POINT, THAT'S EXACTLY HOW WE USED TO DO PROJECTS, IS THAT WE WOULD AWARD 80%, 70%, WHATEVER THAT AMOUNT IS TO THE ARTISTS TO WORK CREATIVELY DO WHAT THEY DO BEST. AND THEN THE OTHER 30% SAT OUTSIDE, IT WAS STILL EARMARKED TOWARDS THE PROJECT, BUT THERE WAS TO HANDLE INSTALLATION COSTS, FIGURE OUT ELECTRICITY, FIGURE OUT PERMIT COSTS. SO, UM, EVERY JURISDICTION TO ANNE'S POINT DOES WORK DIFFERENTLY. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME ARTISTS ARE, HAVE MORE OF A CONTRACTOR BACKGROUND, UM, AND HAVE ENGINEERING BACKGROUNDS. BUT, UM, WHEN YOU WORK DIRECTLY WITH ARTISTS, THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, IN THE PUBLIC SPHERE, THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED WITH PERMITTING. AND WE RUN INTO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE RUN INTO THAT WITH ALMOST EVERY SCULPTURAL PROJECT THAT WE'VE WORKED ON TOGETHER. AND, UM, WITH FINE BALANCE, RIVER ARCH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UM, ARCHITECTS WORKING FOR FREE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS, WORKING FOR FREE, ENGINEERS, WORKING FOR FREE. AND, UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT ON THE FRONT END TO CHRISTOPHER'S POINT AND BAKING THAT INTO THE, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY, UH, AT THE GET-GO. SO WE DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK MONTHS LATER AFTER IT'S BEEN APPROVED AND AND INCREASE THE AMOUNT THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH CHRISTOPHER. YEAH. WELL AS TO THE, UM, THE THREE FEES THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO TO COVER HERE, THEY ALL, THEY'RE ALL REASONABLE, RIGHT? THEY'RE ALL, THEY'RE ALL THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE. AND I WOULD SAY THE, THE, THE PERMITTING TO HANNAH'S POINT IS PROBABLY THE, THE TOUGHEST ONE TO SWALLOW. JUST BECAUSE IF IT IS SIMPLY, UM, TO, TO VERIFY THAT THE WORK IS BEING DONE ACCORDING TO THE, TO THE BUILDING PERMIT, UM, THE PLANS FOR THIS FOUR, FOUR FOOT DIAMETER CONCRETE PAD AT A COST OF $2,000 ROUGHLY, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY FOR THAT COMPONENT OF THE PROJECT. AND IT WOULD SEEM AT THE VERY LEAST THAT WE COULD HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH BUILDING AND TRY AND FIND A MIDDLE GROUND TO, UM, UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS A PUBLIC BENEFIT OR, AND THIS, THIS IS A PURELY PUBLIC PROJECT. UM, SO, AND ALSO WE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT MIGHT NOT BE THE FINAL FEE. THIS WAS YOUR HIGH ESTIMATE, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH. THIS WAS, UH, GENERALLY BUILDING PERMITS ARE COME IN AROUND FIVE TO 10%. IT CAN BE HIGHER, BUT THIS IS JUST A ROUGH ESTIMATE. OKAY. YES, ANN, I WANTED TO ADD, UM, DRAKE AND CI, YOU KNOW, EXPLAINED ABOUT HOW THE RIGHT HAND AND THE LEFT HAND AREN'T TALKING. YOU'VE GOT ARTS COMMITTEE HERE OR PUBLIC ART AND YOU'VE GOT CITY AND I MEAN, WE'RE OPERATING OUT OF THE SAME, UM, YOU KNOW, UMBRELLA. SO WE REALLY NEED TO FIND OUT A WAY THAT WE CAN WORK BETTER WITH C WITH THE CITY FOR ALL OF THESE HIDDEN COSTS AND SORT OF JUST, UM, MOMENTS THAT SORT OF PUT PROJECTS BEHIND. I FEEL LIKE THERE'S JUST NOT A LOT OF COLLABORATION. I DON'T KNOW, YOU WOULD KNOW MORE 'CAUSE YOU'RE ON THE FRONT LINE, BUT I FEEL LIKE THE COLLABORATION PART IS MISSING. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE REENGAGE. MAYBE IT'S, WE HAVE AN ANNUAL MEETING WITH THEM. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF THE MEMBERS HERE HAVE MET WITH THE HEAD OF WORKS OR THE HEAD OF PERMIT OR WHATEVER, BUT MAYBE THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME OUTREACH ON OUR PART IN ADDITION TO WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY DONE. UM, I'D JUST LIKE TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT A LITTLE BIT IS THAT SOME OF THE SITES WE'VE CHOSEN, WHEN WE ACTUALLY WENT OUT AND LOOKED AT THE SITES, WE WERE GIVEN FALSE INFORMATION, LIKE ABOUT FINE BALANCE BEING CLOSE TO AN ELECTRIC SOURCE. AND, YOU KNOW, EVEN FOR THAT MATTER, THE RIVER ARCH WHERE ALL [00:45:01] OF A SUDDEN A LIGHTING PROJECT THAT WE HAD NATHANIEL QUOTE, FOR A THOUSAND DOLLARS OF TRENCHING PLUS PARTS, ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S LIKE A 50,000, $20,000 PROJECT THAT JUST SEEMS SUCH A GROSS AMOUNT OF OUR BUDGET THAT IT, IT PUTS US IN THIS KIND OF FIXED PLACE WHERE WE CAN'T WRAP AROUND THE NUMBERS THAT WE WORK WITH, WITH WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO FULFILL A PROJECT. UM, I CAN'T SEE ANY WAY WHERE WE DON'T FUND THIS SO THAT THEY CAN GO THROUGH WITH THEIR PROJECT AND FEEL LIKE THEY'VE BEEN HEARD. UM, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO OUR, OUR OTHER ASKS ALONG THE WAY THAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING, IT'S, IT'S SO FRUSTRATING TO HAVE FALSE INFORMATION WHEN PLACING ART BECAUSE I THINK IDEALLY WE WOULD'VE ALWAYS PLACED AN INTENDED LIGHTED PIECE NEAR A SOURCE OF POWER AND THAT WOULD'VE MADE OUR LIFE MUCH MORE CONVENIENT AND MADE THE PIECE MORE HOLISTIC. SO IF THERE'S SOME WAY I, I KNOW THAT'S UP TO PG AND E AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A BIG TIMELINE IN HOW PG E RESPONDS AND WHAT THEY EVEN KNOW OF THEIR OWN ABILITIES. UM, SO I WOULD LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, TRY TO FIND A WAY IF THERE IS A WAY TO MAYBE HAVE FUTURE SITES BE TRUE AND FIRM TO THE EXTENT THEY CAN. AND I SAW HOW DILIGENT YOU WERE, DAVID. I KNOW IT'S NOT YOUR, LIKE A FAULT OF YOURS. I, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE CONSTANT THINGS. I THINK WE JUST ALL WANNA SEE PROJECTS FINISHED AND THAT'S A HARD ONE WITH OUR BUDGET AND TO MAKE SURE THE ARTIST GETS PAID SOMETHING FOR THEIR WORK AND EFFORT. UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE WE TALKED ABOUT. WE DIDN'T WANT TO MAKE IT SO IT BECAME A BURDEN ON THE ARTISTS. I MEAN, THIS IS SOMETHING TO BEAUTIFY AND INVIGORATE AND REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY. UM, YOU KNOW, SO THE ARTIST OBVIOUSLY NEEDS TO BE PAID AND, AND REWARDED FOR THEIR TIME AND THEIR WORK. UM, SO YEAH, I MEAN WE, WE DEFINITELY TALKED ABOUT ALL OF THIS IN THE SUBCOMMITTEE, UM, BUT I THINK IN THE, IN THE END, I HOPE WE ALL DO WANNA GO FORWARD AND PAY THESE FEES SO THAT WE CAN GET IT INSTALLED, GET IT FINALIZED, AND, YOU KNOW, CELEBRATE THE ACCOMPLISHMENT. COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. ARE THERE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? OKAY. YES, CHRISTOPHER? YEAH. UM, AS FAR AS THE, UH, THE UNVEILING EVENT, UM, I THINK CHERYL AND I WERE IN AGREEMENT THAT IT, THAT THIS, WELL, I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING FOR THIS COMMITTEE TO, TO HAVE AN EVENT TO BRING, TO BRING THE PUBLIC'S EYES ON THIS, UH, ON A, THE THING THAT AN ARTIST HAS BEEN WORKING ON FOR SO LONG, I THINK THIS BECAUSE OF THE SITE SHOULD BE, UH, AN EVENT. I SAY WE THINK THIS SHOULD BE AN EVENT THAT'S REALLY DRIVEN BY THE COMMUNITY AT KENNELWORTH. SO WE'D LIKE TO ASK THEM TO TAKE THE LEAD ON CREATING AN EVENT, UM, IN A WAY THAT THEY FEEL IS APPROPRIATE, UM, WITH OUR FULL SUPPORT. SO WE CAN CERTAINLY COMMIT MONEY TO IT AND WHATEVER ALL OTHER INSPIRATION, BUT HAVING THEM BE ABLE TO CREATE AN EVENT THAT REALLY SERVES THEM AS WELL AS THEY CAN ENVISION, UH, I THINK WOULD BE MOST APPROPRIATE. SO TO THAT, TO THAT END, UM, WHO KNOWS, MAYBE LOOKING AT THE, AT THE FEE THAT WE'VE, THAT WE'VE SET ASIDE FOR THAT, UM, STILL MAY BE ON THE HIGH SIDE TOO, SO WELL SEEN AS SUCH THAT IT GOES BACK TO THE PUBLIC ART FUND. IF IT'S NOT USED, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THIS BUDGET. IS ANYBODY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THIS BUDGET? OKAY. WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD? I MOVE THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE BUDGET AS PROPOSED, THE NEW BUDGET, THE ADDITION TO THE BUDGET , HOWEVER YOU WANNA WORD THAT. I'LL SECOND THAT. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S UNANIMOUS. SO, AND IT IS STILL BEING INSTALLED AT KENNELWORTH, CORRECT? YEAH, BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT I WAS LIKE, UH, IS IT STILL NOT OKAYED FOR THERE? I THINK, UH, IN THE PROJECT BACKGROUND IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A TOSS UP 'CAUSE WE WERE WORKING WITH THE DISTRICT FOR SO LONG AND IT, FOR A MINUTE THERE IT SOUNDED LIKE THEY WERE AGAINST IT AND THEN THEY WERE BACK ON BOARD AND THEN THEY HAD SOME STAFF CHANGE. BUT YES, IT IS INTENDED AND WE DO HAVE THAT LICENSE AGREEMENT [00:50:01] SET UP. SO IT'S, DOES THE DISTRICT WANNA PAY FOR THE PERMIT FEES? ? UH, I, I ASKED THEM ABOUT THAT AND THEY SAID NO. WELL, I'D JUST LIKE TO OFFER, SORRY TO CHRISTOPHER AND CHERYL, WHEN YOU ASK KENNELWORTH TO COME UP WITH THE UNVEILING, MAKE SURE THERE'S NO PERMITTING INVOLVED FOR FOOD TRUCKS OR WHAT HAVE YOU BECAUSE POOF THERE GOES OUR BUDGET. OKAY. AND SO WE HAVE JUST APPROVED THE ALLOCATION OF $6,700 TO SUPPORT THE INSTALLATION COSTS, PERMITS, CONCRETE AND DEDICATION EVENT, AND ANY REMAINING BUDGET WILL BE RETURNED TO THE PUBLIC ART FUND. OKAY. CHRISTOPHER AND I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION ON TIMING. UM, SURE. IS THE ARTIST PREPARED TO, TO APPLY FOR HIS BUILDING PERMIT, UM, NOW BECAUSE THE TIMING SUGGESTED THAT YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY, UM, INSTALL OVER IN DECEMBER? YEAH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. I, UH, I WANT RUDY TO HAVE PUT THE BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATION IN YESTERDAY. UM, HE'S JUST HAD TO WORK WITH A FRIEND THAT IS A LICENSED ARCHITECT. AND SO HE'S, HE SOUNDED LIKE HE HAD EVERYTHING HE NEEDED TO SUBMIT AND I'LL CHECK IN WITH HIM TOMORROW AND LET HIM KNOW THAT THE FUNDING WAS APPROVED AND HOPEFULLY THERE'S NO OTHER SURPRISES. BUT ASSUMING THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY TYPICALLY TURNS THINGS AROUND IN 30 DAYS FOR THAT BUILDING PERMIT. THERE'S NO REASON WHY THE, UH, IF THE CONCRETE BID IS APPROVED, WHICH IT NOW IS, UH, THE DISTRICT IS ACTUALLY GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THAT. SO THEY'RE GONNA PULL THE PERMIT A SEPARATE PERMIT FOR THE CONCRETE AND GO FORWARD WITH POURING THE CONCRETE SO IT HAS TIME TO CURE. AND HOPEFULLY IN THAT TIME RUDY WILL GET HIS BUILDING PERMIT BACK AND HE HAS THE GREEN LIGHT TO INSTALL. SO REALISTICALLY, COULD WE STILL HIT THE TIMELINE OF CHRISTMAS BREAK? 'CAUSE I, I THINK THEY GO BACK TO SCHOOL LIKE JANUARY 6TH. I THINK SOMETIME IN THE WINTER BREAK TIME CAN STILL HAPPEN. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH, JUST BECAUSE THE OTHER, THE NEXT DATE WOULD BE LIKE PRESIDENT'S DAY WEEKEND POSSIBLY. OH YEAH. 'CAUSE NOW THERE'S THAT ONE WEEK BREAK FOR PCS, WHICH IS FEBRUARY 19TH THROUGH THE 25TH, LIKE A SKI WEEK. BUT WE'RE NOT CALLING IT SKI WEEK 'CAUSE WE'RE SONOMA COUNTY. YEAH. THE GOOD NEWS THOUGH I WANTED TO SAY IS THAT IF THE CONCRETE'S POURED AND CURED AND ALL GOOD AND SAID AND DONE, UM, IT ONLY TAKES ONE TO TWO DAYS TOPS FOR RUDY TO COME UP AND INSTALL IT. SO IT COULD HAPPEN IF THE PERMIT TAKES LONGER OR WHATEVER, IT COULD HAPPEN LATER WHEN SCHOOL IS BACK IN SESSION. IT, IT WOULDN'T INTERRUPT ANY SCHOOL PROGRAMMING FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND. THEY CAN HAVE IT DONE IN AN AFTERNOON AND HOPEFULLY WE WOULD KNOW THAT IN ADVANCE AND WE CAN HAVE THE UNVEILING SOMETIME THAT RUDY'S IN TOWN TOO. OKAY. UM, CHERYL? YEAH, WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE GIVE, I WOULD THINK 30 DAYS NOTICE TO THE PUBLIC AND TO KENNELWORTH. I MEAN, I, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IF WE FIND OUT IN THREE WEEKS IT'S APPROVED AND THEY DO THE CEMENT AND THEN WE'RE TRYING TO QUICKLY ANNOUNCE AND DO SOMETHING. UM, WELL WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO HAVE THE EVENT IMMEDIATELY. OKAY. YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. YEAH, I I MEAN IT WAS DIFFERENT WITH MAKING PROGRESS BECAUSE THEY'RE LOCAL, THEY'RE LIKE NEXT TOWN OVER AND IT WAS SO FAST THAT WE COULD PLAN A LITTLE BETTER FOR THAT. UM, CHRISTOPHER, DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT? I FORGOT WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. OKAY. I JUST HAD A LITTLE ADDENDUM THAT OF THE MONEY FOR THE EVENT. I WOULD SUGGEST WE TAKE LIKE A HUNDRED DOLLARS OR SO TO BUY REALLY NICE BOUQUET OR SOMETHING FOR THE ARTIST. AND AS MANY OF US WHEN HE DOES COMPLETE INSTALLATION, IF WE COULD GO ON SITE AND THANK HIM OR PROVIDE A THANK YOU LETTER, I FEEL LIKE THAT, 'CAUSE HE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ATTEND A PARTY, WE'LL TRY OUR BEST, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE FOR US TO ACKNOWLEDGE HIM AND I ALSO THINK IT'S, IT'S JUST A NICE THING TO DO. SO ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? YES. OKAY. I'VE ALSO REMEMBERED WHEN I WAS GONNA ASK, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT I, IT'S OCCURRED TO ME OR I'VE, I'VE UNDERSTOOD THAT THERE ARE ACTUALLY TWO PERMITS BEING PULLED FOR THIS. THERE'S ONE FOR THE CONCRETE POUR AND ONE FOR THE ARTISTS STACKING OF HIS PIECE. NOT THAT, CAN THOSE BE COMBINED? UH, I THINK THEORETICALLY THEY COULD BE, BUT UM, I WOULD HAVE TO PULL APART THE QUOTE THAT WE GOT FROM, FROM THE DISTRICT. THEY WENT OUT AND SOUGHT THAT BID FOR US. THEY HAVE A, SOMEONE THEY REGULARLY WORK WITH FOR, TO DO, TO HANDLE THE DIFFERENT SCHOOL DISTRICT PROJECTS. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT PORTION OF THAT $3,200 IS DEVOTED JUST TO PERMIT. SO I, WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK INTO THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, UM, YEAH, OR MAYBE THE, THE ARTISTS COULD, COULD RIDE ON THAT INITIAL CONCRETE PERMIT INSTALL. MM-HMM. [00:55:01] , UM, WAS THE ARTIST COMPLETING THE PLAQUE DURING THIS TIME ALSO SO THAT IT COULD BE, OR IS IT INSTALLED AFTER WITH THE ART PIECE? I THINK THAT HE WOULD PROBABLY INSTALL AT THE SAME TIME, BUT OKAY. I, WE HAVEN'T ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT IT, SO I DON'T WANNA QUOTE HIM. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS. I KNOW IT'S A LOT OF CONNECTING AND DISCONNECTING AND CONNECTING AGAIN, SO THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT. OKAY. AND SO NOW WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE RIVER ARCH SITE PLANNING PLAN FUNDING ITEM NUMBER FIVE. UM, YOU MIGHT, I THINK WE SHOULD OPEN AND CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. OH, JUST IN CASE I DIDN'T, DIDN'T THINK ABOUT IT. PUBLIC COMMENT. IT'S NOW OPEN FOR ANYBODY WHO'D LIKE TO COME AND SPEAK OR ASK QUESTIONS. WERE THERE ANY COMMENTS SUBMITTED ABOUT THIS ITEM WE RECEIVED? NO PUBLIC COMMENTS REGARDING THIS ITEM PRIOR TO THE MEETING. OKAY. THERE IS NOBODY IN ATTENDANCE. UM, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS AFTER THE FACT, YOU'RE WELCOME TO EMAIL US . UM, AND WITH THAT WE'LL CLOSE ITEM NUMBER FOUR AND OPEN ITEM NUMBER FIVE, THE RIVER ARCH SITE PLAN FUNDING. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR, FOR DOING THAT TOO, . I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE FUNNY. UM, LET'S SEE. ALL RIGHT. THIS, UH, SLIDESHOW TEMPLATE SHOULD LOOK FAMILIAR. UM, WE'RE, UH, THE, THIS ITEM IS A RECOMMENDATION TO THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE TO ALLOCATE FUNDING, UM, FROM THE PUBLIC ART FUND TO SUPPORT PURCHASE AND INSTALLATION COSTS FOR SCULPTURE FRAGMENT ELEMENTS, UM, AND SITE DESIGN ELEMENTS I SHOULD ADD IN THERE TOO, UM, UH, FOR THE APPROVED PROJECT, RIVER ARCH AND, UM, ITS ASSOCIATED SITE PLAN. SO AGAIN, HERE ARE YOUR ACTION ITEMS. UM, ARE, UH, OPTIONS I SHOULD SAY IN THIS ACTION ITEM AND THE PROJECT BACKGROUND. UH, WE'LL KEEP IT VERY HIGH LEVEL BECAUSE WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROJECT, BUT, UM, THIS WAS, UH, FROM THE WATER STREET RFP 2017. DAVID BEST APPLIED FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY AND THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE GRANTED HIM AS A RUNNER UP HIS, UH, DAVID BEST OWNED PROJECT. JANUARY 25TH, 2018. UH, PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE APPROVED A $75,000 BUDGET TO, UH, CREATE THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS PIECE AND THE CONCEPT THAT DAVID WAS STARTING TO PLAY WITH. UM, IN 2019 JANUARY, COUNCIL APPROVED THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH DAVID BEST FOR THE SITE THAT WAS SELECTED, THE LYNCH CREEK TRAIL PROJECT SITE AND CREATING A SITE SPECIFIC ART PIECE FOR IT. AND THEN BETWEEN 2019 AND 2021, UM, ARTISTS, DAVID BEST, UH, HAD SOME HEALTH COMPLICATIONS AND, UH, BUILT OUT HIS TEAM A LITTLE BIT WITH ARCHITECTURAL SUPPORT AND SOME OF THE VAN BBER, UH, FOLKS THAT HELPED ME WITH FABRICATION. AND THEN AUGUST 21ST, 2022, THE MAIN STRUCTURE OF THE RIVER ARCH WAS INSTALLED AND THE DEDICATION EVENT WAS HELD THE SAME DAY. HERE'S THE PROJECT SITE FOR THOSE WHO AREN'T FAMILIAR AND THE INSTALLED, UM, MAIN STRUCTURE OF THE RIVER ARCH. UM, WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT DAVID BEST'S TEAM, INCLUDING, UM, UH, SANDY REED WITH ZAC LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS. PAT NELSON, HIS GENERAL CONTRACTOR ON THE PROJECT. STEVE GRUMMAN, WHO JOINED THE TEAM, UM, WHO'S LICENSED ARCHITECT. UM, THE BUILDING PERMIT FOR THE PROJECT WAS SUBMITTED WITH GRUMMAN'S HELP IN 2021 AND IT HAD THE LANDSCAPE DESIGN IN THERE. IT HAD ELECTRICAL PLAN, UM, IT HAD THE ARTWORK, UH, YOU KNOW, AND THE SURROUNDING, UM, LANDSCAPE PLAN OR HOW IT INTEGRATED ALL THOSE ELEMENTS TOGETHER. UH, THE ORIGINAL SCOPE OF SERVICES FOR DAVID BEST WAS, DIDN'T INCLUDE THE GEOTECHNICAL SURVEY THAT WE FOUND OUT LATER. THAT WAS LATER APPROVED $3,000 FROM THE PUBLIC ART FUND IN 2021. LIGHTING AND POWER, UM, YOU KNOW, DAVID BEST AND STEVE BROMAN PUT TOGETHER UP IN THE PLAN SET LIGHTING FIXTURES, THE INTERNAL HARDWARE THAT'S READY TO CONNECT, UM, AT PRESENT AND THE LANDSCAPE AND SITE PLAN. SO THAT INCLUDES THE FRAGMENTS, THE SEEDING, THE GRADING, UM, NATIVE PLANTING, THE BOULDERS, THE IMPROVED DRAINAGE. THAT'S ALL STUFF THAT, UM, WAS REALLY NICE AND INCLUDED IN THE SITE PLAN AND IN TERMS OF THE PROJECT ITSELF. BUT, UM, WAS NOT, UH, SPELLED OUT AND DETAILED IN HIS SCOPE OF SERVICES. THAT WAS ALL, UM, EXTRA AND THIS IS ONE OF THE MANY SLIDE OR SANDY PUT TOGETHER, UM, A COMPREHENSIVE SITE PLAN THAT WAS INCLUDED IN TONIGHT'S PACKET. THIS IS JUST ONE STILL FROM IT THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU A NICE OVERVIEW. UM, IT DOESN'T INCLUDE, UM, ALL THE SHOWCASING THE FOOTPRINT OF THE TREES THAT AT, YOU KNOW, MATURITY AND ALL OF THAT, BUT IT DOES SHOW THE SEEDING AND THE FRAGMENTS AND THE GRADING AND, UM, SOME OF THAT WORK. SO THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT IS ABOUT [01:00:01] SOME OF THOSE PROJECT BUDGET CONSTRAINTS. UM, I'LL ACKNOWLEDGE A COUPLE OF THEM. UM, ONE OF WHICH BEING THE STAGE FOUR DROUGHT CONDITIONS THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY AND, UM, NOT JUST THE CITY, BUT YOU KNOW, REGIONALLY, UH, THERE WAS A LOT OF RESTRICTIONS ABOUT NEW PLANTING AND WATERING TO GET TREES ESTABLISHED. SO THERE WAS A HALT ON ALL NEW PLANTING, AS MOST OF YOU KNOW. AND THEN SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT'S COME IN SINCE THAT TIME, SINCE THE INSTALLATION OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE IS THAT SANDY REED HAS DONATED, UM, A LOT OF TIME TO PUT TOGETHER A VERY COMPREHENSIVE SITE PLAN, INCLUDING THE MATERIALS AND, UH, THE QUANTITIES AND, UM, PROJECTING OUT SOME OF THOSE COSTS. PAT NELSON, UH, WAS THAT QUOTE FOR THE WORK. UH, AND THE LABOR WAS INCLUDED IN TONIGHT'S PACKET. SO EVERYONE CAN SEE SOME, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FULL CONTEXT OF HOW MUCH WORK THIS SITE PLAN ENTAILS AND, UM, THE COST OF LABOR AND MATERIALS. SOMETHING THAT WASN'T, I WAS ACKNOWLEDGED IN THE STAFF REPORT, UM, WITH, BUT NOT IN THAT CONTRACT, IN THAT WORK BID WAS THE $1,200 BUDGET FOR THE BENCH THAT DAVID HAS ALSO PUT TOGETHER. THAT'S NOT, TO BE CLEAR, THAT'S NOT A FRAGMENT. I THINK I USE THOSE WORDS INTERCHANGEABLY IN THE, UM, IN THE STAFF REPORT. BUT THERE ARE THREE FRAGMENTS, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. UM, AND THEN ONE ADDITIONAL BENCH THAT WOULD BE ATTACHED TO THE TRAIL ITSELF. IT WOULD HAVE A COMPANION SEATING THAT'S A DA ACCESSIBLE AS WELL. UM, I ALSO PUT IN THERE AN, AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT TO CHRISTOPHER SMITH WHO PUT TOGETHER A, A LETTER TO COUNCIL. AND THIS IS JUST, I MEAN, IT WAS A VERY DETAILED AND EXTENSIVE REQUEST FOR PROJECT BUDGETING TO SUPPORT SITE SURVEYING, A RELOCATION OF THE FENCE, UH, POWER TO THE SITE, UM, FOR THE EQUIPPED LIGHT LIGHTING. AND, UH, I'LL LET CHRISTOPHER TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT AT THE END. UM, HERE IN A SECOND. THERE'S ALSO ELEMENTS IN HIS LETTER ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE PARTNERSHIPS THAT, UH, THE SUBCOMMITTEE HAS, YOU KNOW, FORGED FOR THIS PROJECT, WHICH IS RELIEF PETALUMA TALKING ABOUT REVIEWING THE SITE PLAN AND, UM, WOULD PRESENT THE SITE PLAN TO THEIR BOARD FOR APPROVAL, REBUILDING TOGETHER, IRRIGATING THOSE, THOSE TREES FOR THREE YEARS, WHICH IS A HUGE, UH, SUPPORT. AND THEN FRIENDS OF THE, UH, THE LYNCH CREEK TRAIL, UH, PLEDGING TO, YOU KNOW, THEIR TASK FORCE TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT AS WELL. SO SOME HUGE COMMUNITY SUPPORTERS OF THIS PROJECT. AND THE RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT IS, UH, FAIRLY LOOSE BECAUSE I THINK IT IS, UM, AT THE POINT OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE TALKING ABOUT HOW DO WE SUPPORT THE PROJECT, WHAT'S THE BEST USE OF FUNDING, UM, HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD? AND I, UH, I THINK NOW IS A GREAT TIME TO BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE AND HAVE A, A DETAILED DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT THE NEXT STEPS OF THIS PROJECT LOOK LIKE AND HOW DO WE BEST SUPPORT IT AND, UM, MOVE THAT SITE PLAN FORWARD, UM, IF THAT WAS ORIGINALLY PART OF DAVID'S VISION AND WANTING TO SUPPORT THAT VISION. SO, UH, I WOULD INVITE THE SUBCOMMITTEE TO CHIME IN AT THIS POINT. I THINK THAT'S THE END OF MY PRESENTATION, BUT, UM, FRAMES SORT OF THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE HAVING. THANK YOU. DAVID, WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO BEGIN THE CONVERSATION, CHRISTOPHER? NO. OKAY. I'M HAPPY TO. OKAY. UM, SO THE ASK TONIGHT IS $1,200 FOR THE BEN, THE PIECE THAT'S REMAINING TOWARDS DAVID BEST, AND THEN 20 2015 TO PAT NELSON FOR INSTALL. AND I WAS LOOKING AT THE MAP AND I WAS CURIOUS, THE PART THAT'S PUT AS A CONCRETE PAD FOR A BENCH AND COMPANION PIECES. SO ALL, ALL THREE OF THOSE REMAINING PIECES WOULD BE ON THAT SAME SITE, THAT SAME PAD. CHRISTOPHER, COULD YOU? RIGHT, RIGHT PART OF THE PLAN. OH, HERE. OKAY. OKAY. SO HERE AND THEN ONE THERE TWO WHERE YOUR FINGER IS WHICH FINGER? I SEE YOUR RIGHT FINGER. OKAY. TWO HERE, BENCHES ON THE LEFT. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFICATION. SO IT'S ACTUALLY TWO PADS. 'CAUSE WHAT I'M READING HERE, I WASN'T SURE IF THE 64, IT SAYS CONCRETE PADS, BUT I WASN'T SURE IF IT WAS BOTH OF THEM. SO YEAH, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THIS IS, THIS WOULD NOT BE A COMPLETE BUDGET. THIS WOULD BE, THIS REPRESENTS THE INSTALLATION OF THE TWO FRAGMENTS, BUT NOT THE BENCH. OH, SO THE BENCH IS A WHOLE OTHER COST. YEAH. OKAY. UM, SO THAT'S THE WAY I READ IT. OKAY. DAVID, DO YOU HAVE CLARIFICATION ON THAT? WELL, I, I WASN'T ENTIRELY SURE ABOUT THE INSTALLATION COSTS AND WHAT UNDERSTANDING PAT NELSON'S BID, UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE. AND I WANNA BE CLEAR THAT I, IT'S NOT STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO, TO FUND THAT WHOLE $22,000 INSTALLATION. THIS, I THINK WHAT THIS WAS MORE IS, UH, BRINGING IT TO THE FULL COMMITTEE TO SAY WHICH ELEMENTS OF THIS, OR THE ENTIRETY OF [01:05:01] IT, BUT WHICH ELEMENTS OF THIS IS, YOU KNOW, FALLS ON THE COMMITTEE THAT WE WANT TO USE THE PUBLIC ART FUND TO SUPPORT. AND WHAT IS MORE OF A CONVERSATION ABOUT WITH OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS AND HAVING AN OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT. I, UM, DELIBERATELY DIDN'T WANT TO SAY LIKE THE LAST ITEM THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR, CONCRETE INSTALL AND DEDICATION EVENT. THAT'S, THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT, BUT YEAH. UM, I WAS ALSO CURIOUS WHAT THIS CURRENT SITUATION IS WITH THE FENCING ALONG THE SITE AND IF ANYBODY HAS YET TO LOOK AT THIS, THE LOT LINES TO SEE IF THIS IN FACT WORKS WITH THE LOT LINES. YEAH, I THINK THAT THE, I DON'T WANT TO QUOTE THAT PUBLIC WORKS HAS SAID YES, WE WILL 100% DO IT, BUT WE DID SURVEY THE SITE TOGETHER AND THEY WILL, THEY SUGGESTED THAT THEY WOULD BE ON THE HOOK TO SURVEY IT AND RELOCATE THE EXISTING FENCE TO LOOK SIMILAR TO HOW IT IS NOW, NOT IMPROVE IT, BUT JUST TO CORRECT THE, THE PROPERTY LINE. OKAY. UM, AND I, I WOULD LOVE TO GET THAT FIRMED UP, ESPECIALLY IF WE HAD, YOU KNOW, TRACTION ABOUT WHAT THE NEXT STEP IS WITH THIS PROJECT THAT I THINK THAT WOULD LIGHT A FIRE UNDER THEM A LITTLE BIT TO SAY WE HAD, BECAUSE I MET WITH THEIR, SO THEIR SUBCONTRACTOR TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WOULD BE INVOLVED IN MOVING IT. AND IT WAS FAIRLY AFFORDABLE, SO IT, IT SOUNDED LIKE THEY WERE GONNA FOOT THAT BILL. AND DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THEY WOULD, WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO EXPEDITE THAT? IS IT KIND OF WAITING ON NATHAN'S PERMIT FOR THE FENCING OR IS IT NATHAN DOESN'T HAVE A PERMIT RIGHT NOW AND THERE HASN'T BEEN, UH, ANY DEVELOPMENT IF HE WANTS TO IMPROVE THAT FENCE AT ALL. SO I THINK IT'S, UH, EVERYBODY'S WAITING FOR SOMEBODY TO MOVE FIRST. AND I, I THINK AS SOON AS WE HAVE AN IDEA OF THE NEXT STEP WITH THIS SITE, IT WOULD BE SAYING, YOU KNOW, KNOCKING AT THE DOOR OF PUBLIC WORKS AND SAYING, HEY, WE'RE READY FOR YOU TO MOVE THAT FENCE. PLEASE DO IT NOW. AND, AND AT THE SAME TIME WE'LL GET THE SURVEY DONE. SO THAT SOUNDED LIKE THE NEXT STEP IN MY EYES OF HOW WE MOVE THIS FORWARD. WELL, AS I READ IT AND LOOK AT THE COMPONENTS THAT ARE MISSING FROM IT AND WHAT WE HOPE TO ACCOMPLISH THERE, IT SEEMS LIKE I DEFINITELY WANNA PURCHASE THE BENCH. I DEFINITELY WANT THE BENCH AND THE FRAGMENTS INSTALLED, LIKE THIS IS JUST ME. AND, UM, AND THEN I'D LIKE TO GIVE AN AMOUNT TOWARDS THE IDEA OF COMPLETION, HOPING THAT COMMUNITY PARTNERS RISE TO THE OCCASION AND MORE THAN MATCH US. UM, THAT WAS MY THINKING. I DON'T KNOW HOW REALISTIC THAT IS, BUT I WANTED TO SEE WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS FEELING OR, UH, CHRIS HAS DONE A TREMENDOUS EFFORT AS A DAVID TO TRY TO SHEPHERD THIS THROUGH AND GET MORE PARTNERS AND BUILD MORE, MORE, UM, INSPIRATION FOR THE SITE. BUT I THINK WE'RE AT A POINT NOW WHERE WE CAN'T LEAVE THESE FRAGMENTS JUST SITTING THERE. WE'VE HAD THE PUBLIC REACH OUT TWICE TO SAY, WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING? IT'S JUST, UM, FOR ME IT LACKS PROFESSIONALISM TO LEAVE THEM LAYING THERE. AND I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. AND I JUST THINK IT MAKES THE SITE LOOK BLIGHTED COMPARED TO WHAT IT COULD BE WITH, WITH THE INVESTMENT. AND I THINK IT'S, IT'S A MATTER OF COMPLETION AGAIN. AND I THINK IT WOULD GO A LONG WAY TO SHOW THAT WE ARE COMMITTED TO THIS AND HOPEFULLY, I DON'T THINK WE COULD ASK ANYBODY FROM THE CITY TO GIVE US 20, $30,000 AND SEE THAT ACTUALLY HAPPEN BASED ON WHAT WE'VE SEEN SO FAR. BUT I THINK IF THEY COULD COME PARTWAY OR, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY FELT INSPIRED, BUT I THINK FOR NOW, I, I WANNA PAY DAVID FOR THAT PIECE. I WANNA HAVE THEM INSTALLED. UM, CHRISTOPHER? YEAH, SO I, I HAVE, UM, SO MUCH TO SAY ON THIS , SO I'M GONNA NOT BE ABLE TO GET IT ALL IN THE, IN THE RIGHT SEQUENCE. AND I'M GONNA FORGET A BUNCH AND I'M GONNA ASK TO COME BACK TO IT A FEW TIMES MAYBE DURING THIS CONVERSATION. BUT, UH, IN A NUTSHELL, I THINK WE SHOULD, I'D RECOMMEND WE ALLOCATE FUNDS TO BUY THE REMAINDER PIECE FROM THE ARTIST AND POTENTIALLY, AND MAYBE, MAYBE THAT'S IT AT THIS POINT, UM, MAYBE NOT EVEN GO TOWARD NOT EVEN ALLOCATE FUNDING FOR INSTALLATION AT THIS POINT. SO I THINK WHAT'S FAIN, SO JUST AS A BACKSTORY FOR THE, THE LETTER SINCE I'M CALLED OUT IN THE STAFF REPORT THERE, THE LETTER THAT I WROTE WAS TO CITY COUNCIL, UM, AND IT WAS TO REQUEST A BUDGET ALLOCATION FOR SITE IMPROVEMENTS FOR THIS PARCEL AND ALSO FOR THE H STREET POCKET PARK. OKAY. AND THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT, THAT MELISSA AND I, FOR THE MOST PART HAVE BEEN WORKING ON IN PARALLEL TO OUR PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE WORK TO TRY AND GET COMMUNITY SUPPORT FOR IMPRO FOR PLACE MAKING IMPROVEMENTS HERE. SO IT'S OUTSIDE THE SCOPE WE ALWAYS HAS, HAS THOUGHT IT WAS OUTSIDE THE [01:10:01] SCOPE OF OUR WORK ON THE COMMITTEE HERE. UM, AND SO THAT'S HOW WE'VE MADE THE CONNECTIONS WITH, WITH THE LYNCH CREEK TRAIL FRIENDS OF LYNCH CREEK TRAIL AND REBUILDING TOGETHER PETALUMA AND RELIEF PETALUMA AND, AND OTHERS. AND WE HAD THEM ALL LINED UP AND I, WE FEEL, WE FEEL PRETTY GOOD ABOUT THAT AND ACTUALLY, RIGHT. AND WE ALSO HAVE A MEETING WITH DAILY ACTS NEXT WEEK. UM, AND I THINK THAT THAT HOLDS GREAT PROMISE TOO. I THINK THE COOL THING ABOUT THAT IS PEOPLE AT H STREET POCKET PARK ARE LINING UP, WILLING TO HELP. THEY'RE DOING, THEY'RE LINING UP HERE AS WELL. AND IF YOU TAKE THAT OUT OF IT, WHAT YOU'RE LEFT WITH IS A LONG HISTORY OF, OF TALKING ABOUT THESE IMPROVEMENTS AND GOING TO DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETINGS WITH CITY REPRESENTATIVES, DATING BACK PROBABLY FOUR YEARS NOW AT, UM, ON THE LYNCH CREEK TRAIL AND A YEAR AND A HALF OR SO AT THE, AT THE, UM, AT H STREET. AND REALLY HAVING NOTHING COME OF THAT. I MEAN, THERE'S BEEN A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF OUTREACH TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE IN DIFFERENT PART, DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS IN THE CITY AND PROMISES MADE, AS YOU ALLUDED TO EARLIER ON, WHERE POWER WOULD COME FROM AND WHEN FENCES WOULD BE MOVED AND IF SURVEYS WOULD BE DONE. AND THERE REALLY HAS BEEN, UM, THERE'VE BEEN, THERE'VE BEEN MORE UNANSWERED REQUESTS FOR DISCUSSION AND AND ANSWERS THAN THERE HAVE BEEN ANSWERS GIVEN. SO IT'S, UM, IT'S FRUSTRATING IN THAT REGARD. AND SO WITHOUT THAT, WITHOUT HAVING ANY SORT OF UNDERSTANDING THAT A PROJECT CAN ACTUALLY TAKE PLACE, I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND WE SPEND ANY MORE MONEY ON EXPECTING THAT A PROJECT'S GONNA TAKE PLACE. AND THAT'S BEFORE WE EVEN GET TO THE DEBATE WHETHER IT'S APPROPRIATE OR NOT FOR THIS TYPE, FOR THE PUBLIC ART FUND TO FUND THIS TYPE OF WORK. AND I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE PUBLIC ART ORDINANCE, IT DOES CALL OUT SPECIFICALLY THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE, YOU KNOW, THE PRODUCT OF A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT IF IT'S DONE, BUT I THINK BUILT BY THE ARTIST, YOU KNOW, CAN QUALIFY FOR PUBLIC ART FUNDS. BUT IT'S DEBATABLE, I THINK. SO I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD EVEN GET INTO THAT. AND JUST AT THIS POINT, I'D, I'D RECOMMEND WE MOVE TO PURCHASE THE BENCH FROM THE, UH, FROM THE ARTIST AND THEN AT THE VERY LA YOU KNOW, SEE WHAT COMES OF THE, THE, THE BUDGET ALLOCATION THAT WAS, THAT I REQUESTED SEPARATELY FOR THESE SITES. SEE WHAT COMES OF THE, THE CITY STAFF WHO HAS CONTINUED TO, WE CONTINUE TO ASK, UM, RESPONSES FROM, BECAUSE THEY HAVE, AT ONE POINT OR ANOTHER THEY SAID, WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU AND SEE WHAT COMES OF THAT. AND IF GOOD THINGS COME OF THAT, THEN WE'RE, YOU KNOW, THEN WE MOVE FORWARD. UM, IF IT DOESN'T THEN UH, I THINK AT THE VERY LEAST WE CAN, WE KNOW HOW TO PULL A PERMIT AND, AND HIRE A CONTRACTOR AND POUR A PAD FOR THE BENCH AND THE FRAGMENTS. WELL THAT WAS A PART I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED ON 'CAUSE DAVID, WHEN HE SUBMITTED PLANS, IT DID INCLUDE ALL OF THIS. AND SO WHEN HE PAID PERMITS, DID IT INCLUDE THE PERMITS FOR THESE PLANS? YEAH, DAVID HAS AN OPEN PERMIT RIGHT NOW. SO THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT THEORETICALLY THIS PERMIT COULD BE EDITED AND MOST OF THE SITE PLAN IS ALREADY IN THERE AND IT CAN, THE WORK CAN BE DONE. THAT'S GREAT. AND I, AND I REALLY FOUND THAT HEARTENING AND THAT'S WHAT I, UM, MENTIONED TO UM, I THINK SHE, SHE'S THE SUPERINTENDENT OF, UM, CINDY CHONG. YES. WHEN I MET WITH HER ABOUT THIS. AND, UM, SHE WAS, SHE WAS ENCOURAGING ABOUT THE PROJECT, THIS IS SPECIFICALLY THE RIVER ARCH SITE. UM, BUT SHE ALSO SAID THAT THAT'S A DIFFERENT MATTER THAT THE INSTALLATION OF THE BENCH IS A DIFFERENT MATTER COMES DOWN TO THE MATERIALS THAT ARE USED AND HOW IT'S GONNA BE AND THE PLANS FOR THAT. SO I WASN'T, I DIDN'T GET A FULL ENDORSEMENT THAT, THAT THAT CAN BE PART OF THIS EXISTING IMPROVEMENT. BUT I HOPE SO ANN, UM, I HAVE A FEW POINTS HERE. FIRST OF ALL, I, I THOUGHT WE HAD ALREADY APPROVED THE PURCHASE OF THE BENCH. SEVERAL. WE HAVEN'T. NO. WE DISCUSSED IT. IS IT JUST ALWAYS BEEN ON OUR AGENDA? YEAH, WE DISCUSSED IT. UM, THE OTHER QUESTION REGARDING THE INSTALLATION OF FRAGMENTS, IF THEY POSE A SAFETY HAZARD WHERE THEY ARE, I DON'T REALLY KNOW. UM, THEN I WOULD SAY, YEAH, I THINK WE SHOULD REALLY FIGURE THAT OUT, ACCOMMODATE THAT IF NECESSARY. AND THE OTHER THING IS WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THIS BUDGET PRESENTED BY DAVID OR WHOMEVER, UM, I FEEL LIKE WE REALLY CAN'T MOVE FORWARD UNTIL WE HAVE A COMPLETE, YOU KNOW, [01:15:01] BUDGET ALLOCATE OUTLINING ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT STILL HAVE TO BE DONE. LIKE THE INSTALLATION OF THE BENCH IS GONNA BE PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I KINDA, I LOOKED AT THE STEEL FRAGMENTS WHERE HE'S SAYING 1600 FOR THOSE TWO. SO IT AT LEAST GETS THE THINGS THAT ARE EXISTING ON THE SITE INSTALLED. RIGHT. AND GUESS AS AN OVERALL THING, WE'RE GONNA HAVE PROJECT CREEP WITH THIS. YEAH. IF WE DON'T GET IT ALL ADDRESSED IN ONE DOCUMENT, I THINK I WOULD FEEL MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE ALLOCATING ANY FUNDS WHEN WE KNOW WHAT THE TOTAL SPEND LEFT IS. AND WE HAVE, IF WE CAN GET CLOSER AND WE'VE HAVE HAD THREE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS RESPOND THAT THEY WERE INTERESTED IN THIS FROM CHRIS'S LETTER. I'M NOT SURE IF YOU HAD OTHER ONES BEYOND THAT, CHRIS DID YOU? NO. SO THERE IS INTEREST IN IT FROM COUNSEL. UM, I CAN SEE THAT POINT OF VIEW. I I JUST REALLY WANNA SECURE THE BENCH FOR NOW AND PAY DAVID FOR THAT. AND I WANT US TO, WHETHER WE GET IT ALL OR NOT, I WANT US TO ADDRESS THE FRAGMENTS. 'CAUSE IF WE'RE LIKE, WE JUST NEED TO ADDRESS THAT. SO IF WE CAN BREAK THOSE PARTS OUT OF THE BUDGET AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE SECURED WITH FUNDING THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO REVISIT THAT PART OF IT, THAT WOULD MAKE ME FEEL A LOT BETTER. AND WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE, THEY ARE PART OF THE ARCH THAT WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL COMMISSION. THEY JUST HAPPENED TO BE ON SITE TOSSED TO THE SIDE. SO YOU'RE SAYING INS INSTALLATION COSTS? YES. LIKE I, I DO THINK THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT. 'CAUSE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER WE'RE DOING THAT. IF PAT CAN DO IT, GREAT, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA LOSE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CONTINUITY OF THE SITE TO HAVE THESE PIECES THAT DEFINITELY SPEAK TO THE LARGE ARCH. UM, THEY'RE MADE OF SIMILAR DESIGN. THEY'RE, THEY ADD CONTINUITY TO THE SITE. SO THE SITE, EVEN IF IT ISN'T FULLY DEVELOPED TO THE VISION WE HAVE, I MEAN I HOPE WE GET TO THAT POINT. I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THESE ARE SECURED, THESE ARE INSTALLED, WE DON'T MAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY IN THIS DISCUSSION, UM, WITHOUT THE RESULT TO AT LEAST FINISH THAT COMMITMENT. AND THEN WE TALK ABOUT THE HOLISTIC, LIKE SITE IMPROVEMENTS AT A LATER DATE. OKAY, I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN. AND I, AND I SYMPATHIZE WITH THAT. I THINK, I THINK THE, THE TOUGH PART ABOUT THAT IS IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN, IT'S GOT A BENCH, THE BENCH RIGHT NEAR THE PATH, WHICH WOULD BE AN EASY THING TO DO WITH THE CURRENT GRADING CONDITIONS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN WHERE THE, WHERE THE FRAGMENTS WOULD GO, I THINK THAT WOULD BE, UM, THE SITE WOULD BE, NEED TO BE PREPARED FOR THE INSTALLATION OF THOSE. SO THAT'S, IT'S, IT'S HARD TO HAVE ONE WITHOUT THE OTHER. COMPLETELY UNDERSTOOD. UM, THAT'S WHY IN MY THINKING, I THOUGHT FOR NOW TO ALLOCATE A BUDGET OF LIKE $5,000 TOWARDS THE PURCHASE AND THEN TOWARDS THE EVENTUAL INSTALL OF ALL THREE PIECES. AND I WANTED TO SEE IF YOU GUYS WERE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, AT LEAST STARTING THAT AND DEMONSTRATING TO OUR PARTNERS THAT WE ARE COMMITTED TO THIS SITE IMPROVEMENT AND THIS IS WHAT WE WILL ALLOCATE FROM PUBLIC ART. 'CAUSE WE FEEL LIKE IT'S JUSTIFIED WE COULD CUSHION IT WITH AN EXTRA THOUSAND OR SO JUST IN CASE. 'CAUSE EVERYTHING'S ALWAYS JUST IN CASE. BUT HONESTLY, I THINK THAT WHAT THAT DEMONSTRATES IS OUR LEVEL OF COMMITMENT TO THE SITE AND HOPEFULLY IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD PRESENT TO THE COUNCIL OR CITY STAFF AND SAY, WE'VE TAKEN THIS EXTRA ACTION. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU THINK THAT THIS IS PROPER PROTOCOL. DAVID, I I'D LOVE YOUR ADVICE ON THIS BECAUSE I I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF WE COULD DO SOMETHING ACTIONABLE TO DEMONSTRATE OUR COMMITMENT TO THE PROJECT. YEAH. UM, I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE. I I THINK THAT, LIKE I SAID EARLIER TONIGHT, UM, I THINK THE ACTION WOULD DEMONSTRATE THAT THIS PROJECT ISN'T DONE AND THAT WE ARE STILL INVESTED IN THE SITE. WHETHER OR NOT THAT MEANS THAT THEY'RE, WHO'S GONNA FOOT THE BILL FOR SOME OF THESE OTHER SITE IMPROVEMENT THINGS? THAT'S NOT THE DISCUSSION THAT I'M NECESSARILY CONCERNED WITH TONIGHT. IT'S MOSTLY SHOWING THE INVESTMENT IN THE SITE AND THAT WE ARE CONTINUING TO FULFILL DAVID'S INTENDED VISION FOR THE OVERALL PROJECT. AND THE, THE ARCHWAY WAS JUST THE MAIN STRUCTURE, RIGHT? THE SITE PLAN WAS ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT, EVEN IN THE PRELIMINARY CONCEPTS IN THE, IN THE SLIDESHOW I PUT ON TONIGHT, I SAW ONE OF HIS HAND SKETCHES HAD THE BENCH IN IT. IT WAS ALWAYS PART OF THE CONVERSATION. IT WAS JUST BROKEN OUT BECAUSE OF DROUGHT CONDITIONS AND OTHER COMPLICATIONS WITH A TIGHT BUDGET THAT WE COULDN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO ENGAGE IN THAT SECOND PHASE IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT. BUT I THINK THAT STARTING WITH THE BENCH IS A GREAT IDEA BECAUSE THEN IT SPURS THE CONVERSATION OF WE NEED TO GET THAT SITE SURVEY SURVEYED AND GET THE PROPERTY LINE FIGURED OUT AND THEN WE MOVE THE FENCE AND THEN THERE'S THEN THERE'S ACTUAL PHYSICAL ROOM TO START DOING THE GRADING IF THAT'S THE NEXT STEP. AND I THINK THAT THIS AGAIN, LIGHTS A FIRE UNDER ALL THAT TO SAY WE ARE MOVING FORWARD AND THIS IS OUR INVESTMENT AND WE'RE [01:20:01] WE'RE DOING IT. YEAH. MY IDEA WAS THAT WE CAN RETURN TO THE CONVERSATION WITH SOMETHING DEMONSTRATIVE AND REALLY HOPEFULLY SHOW THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE IT OR NOT, THIS IS MOVING FORWARD AND WE NEED TO HAVE THAT RECOGNITION OF THE SITE. I MEAN, THIS WAS NEVER A $74,000 PROJECT. WHAT WE GOT IN RETURN FOR OUR INVESTMENT WAS ABSOLUTELY INSANE RETURN. AND SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE SITE FOR THE VALUE IT ACTUALLY IS, RATHER THAN WHAT WE PAID FOR IT. WE WERE VERY, I MEAN, I'D SAY MORE THAN HALF OF THIS IS A GIFT TO OUR COMMUNITY IN VALUE. AND SO I THINK FINISHING IT AND DOING RIGHT BY THE SITE ACCORDING TO THE ARTIST IS OF PARTICULAR IMPORTANCE TO ME. AND I ASSUME THE REST OF THIS GROUP. SO I, I THINK THAT THAT MIGHT BE ONE WAY TO KIND OF PUSH THE CONVERSATION FORWARD. WE HAVE THE FUNDS AND I THINK FOR THIS PART IT SHOWS THAT WE WANT IT. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE COMMENTS? I HAVE A CLARIFICATION QUESTION REGARDING THE PLANS. IS, ARE THE ARCHES SET IN CONCRETE BECAUSE IT'S NOT CALLED OUT ON THE PLAN? AND THE REASON I'M ASKING IS BECAUSE IF WE'RE DOING CONCRETE PAD FOR THE BENCH, THEN IT WOULD BE SMART TO DO THE, YOU KNOW, THE FRAGMENT CONCRETE AT THE SAME TIME SINCE ALL THE EQUIPMENT AND THE GEAR AND THE CREW IS ALREADY THERE RATHER THAN COMING BACK, IT'LL PROBABLY BE, YOU KNOW, DOUBLE IF NOT, SO I CAN'T TELL FROM THE RENDERING FROM THE PLANTS IF THERE'S CONCRETE IN THE, IN THE FRAGMENTS OR IF THEY'RE PUSHED INTO THE GROUND. DOES ANYBODY KNOW HOW THEY WORK? THE FRAGMENTS REST ON THE GROUND? SORRY, THE FRAGMENTS AT THIS POINT REST ON THE GROUND. THEY'RE VERY HEAVY. LIKE THEY ARE PROBABLY CLOSE, CLOSE TO A THOUSAND POUNDS I WOULD ASSUME. I MEAN, I, THEY BROUGHT 'EM IN WITH LIFTS. I THINK THE CONCRETE, THE IN THE QUOTE IS FOR INSTALLING EACH OF THE FRAGMENTS AND THE BENCH DOES NOT HAVE, ALSO REQUIRES A CONCRETE FOOTING. OKAY, SO FOR BOTH LOCATIONS, YEAH, IT'S CONCRETE. ALL THREE LOCATIONS, TWO FRAGMENTS AND A BENCH. OH YEAH. SO YOU, YOU'RE, UM, YOU, I AGREE WITH YOUR, YOUR POSITION, MELISSA, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, UM, DOING AN ALLOCATION OF FIVE OR $6,000 TO COVER THE ACQUISITION OF THE, OF THE BENCH AND THE, THE FUTURE INSTALLATION OF THOSE ITEMS NOW SEEMS APPROPRIATE. WHAT IS THE COST OF THE BENCH? 1200. $1,200? IT'S NOT, IT IS, IT'S NOT ON THIS, I REMEMBER IT BEING LIKE 1500 FROM PRIOR CONVERSATIONS. SO THAT'S REASONABLE. UH, ONE MORE QUESTION TO DAVID. UM, WHEN DID YOU HAVE THE, THIS DISCUSSION WITH BUILDING OR WITH PUBLIC WORKS RATHER AND, UH, ABOUT THE FENCE IN THE SURVEY? UM, THAT WAS OVER A YEAR AGO. I, IT WAS BEFORE THE ARCH WAS ACTUALLY INSTALLED. SO THERE WAS, THEY WERE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT A SURVEY BACK THEN. WELL, THEY, THEY KNEW GENERALLY WHERE THE, THE PROPERTY LINE WAS, BUT A SURVEY WOULD CLARIFY EXACTLY, YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE IT WOULD BE. AND SO WE DIDN'T TALK AS MUCH ABOUT THE SURVEY, BUT WHEN WE, WHEN I REACHED OUT MORE RECENTLY, PROBABLY A YEAR AGO, WE DID TALK ABOUT THE CITY COVERING A SURVEY TO FOR THAT BECAUSE THE PROPERTY, THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER WAS CURIOUS IN THAT. AND IF WE'RE GONNA BE DOING SITE IMPROVEMENTS THERE, IT'S LIKE THE NEIGHBORLY THING TO DO IS AS THE CITY IS TO COVER THAT SURVEY AND THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, CONTRACTORS THAT DO THAT REGULARLY FOR PROJECTS. SO THAT WOULD BE AN EASIER COST FOR THE CITY TO COVER. OKAY. SO FOR THE, FOR FULL TRANSPARENCY, PART OF THE LETTER THAT I WROTE WAS BASED ON TO THE CITY WAS BASED ON THE CONVERSATIONS THAT I HAD WITH, UM, SOME CITY EMPLOYEES, INCLUDING KEN ETA, THE SENIOR TRAFFIC ENGINEER WHO WHO MANAGED A LOT OF THE SITE IMPROVEMENTS ALONG LYNCH CREEK TRAIL. AND DURING ONE OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS, HE, HE WAS IN AGREEMENT THAT THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS WOULD BE A SURVEY BECAUSE THE PARCEL OF LAND ON WHICH THE RIVER ARCH SITS IS NOT AT ALL SORT OF CAPTURED BY THE FENCE CURRENTLY. UM, IT, UM, THE FENCE BASICALLY RUNS RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE PARCEL. OKAY. SO THE PARCEL ACTUALLY RUNS ONTO THE NEIGHBOR'S DRIVEWAY. SO THERE'S PROBABLY A PRESCRIPTIVE EASEMENT ON THAT THROUGH THAT DRIVEWAY. SO, UM, THAT SINCE HE RECOMMENDED THAT, THAT WAS THE RECOMMEND THAT WAS RELAYED, HE RELAYED THAT TO HIS SUPERIORS WHO HE'S ASKED TO TAKE IT UP. UM, WE'VE HAD NO RESPONSE FROM THEM, BUT THE CITY ITSELF, UM, HAS HEARD THAT, THAT THAT'S A REQUEST THAT WE'RE MAKING OF THEM. UM, BUT [01:25:01] AS FAR AS I KNOW, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IT'S BEEN FORMALLY ASKED OF THEM. SO, UM, HOPEFULLY THAT'S COMING OUR WAY. THE QUESTION FOR ME WOULD BE WHETHER MR. NELSON THINKS THAT HE CAN DO THE INSTALL IN THE EVENT THAT THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN WITHOUT THE GRADING OF THE SITE, UM, JUST FOR ACCESS BECAUSE IT, IT IS LIKE A VERY NATURAL LANDSCAPE THAT KIND OF HAS DIVOTS AND ISSUES WITH IT. IT SEEMED LIKE NO PROBLEM THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO GET THE ARCH IN AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE BINGE WOULD PROBABLY BE FAIRLY SIMILAR, YOU KNOW, EXCEPT FOR NOW THEY CAN'T REALLY DRIVE DOWN THE ROAD. I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW THEY'D ACCESS THAT. UM, BUT FOR THE FRAGMENTS, I'M WONDERING IF GRADING ALSO IS PART OF THIS. I HATE TO EVEN ADD ANYTHING ELSE ON, BUT FOR ACCESS, I'M, AS I'M LOOKING AT THIS, I'M JUST THINKING THE REALITY OF IF EVERYBODY SAYS NO AND WE STILL WANNA GO WITH THIS, DO WE HAVE A CUSHION? YOU KNOW, NOT TO KEEP PUSHING IT, BUT I'M TRYING TO THINK OF WHAT ARE THE ELEMENTS THAT COULD BE RELATED THAT WOULD HOLD US UP THREE MONTHS FROM NOW WHERE WE ARE HAVING THIS WHOLE, I MEAN, GREAT IF WE HAVE A WHOLE CONVERSATION WHERE AFTER THIS, MY, MY HOPE IN THIS IS THAT WE DO THIS AND THEN SOMEBODY RESPONDS AND SAYS, YOU KNOW, I LIKE YOUR THINKING, LET'S FINISH THIS. AND UM, I'M WONDERING, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THAT HAPPENS, I'D LOVE TO REVISIT THIS IN THE NEW YEAR PRETTY EARLY ON. I'M HOPING THAT THIS GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO WRITE TO THE PARTNERS AGAIN AND SAY, LOOK WHAT WE'VE MOVED FORWARD WITH. SO I WANT THAT TO BE PART OF OUR CONVERSATION OF WHAT, WHAT IS THE NUMBER? 'CAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE SOME AGREEMENT ON SOME OF THAT. AND THE, I THINK THE MONEY SITS IN OUR ACCOUNT, IT'S JUST AN ALLOCATION FOR FUTURE USE ASIDE FROM THE PURCHASE. SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE REALLY, WE'RE COMMITTING THIS AMOUNT TOWARDS THE FUTURE, BUT WE'RE NOT SPENDING IT RIGHT NOW ASIDE FROM A CERTAIN AMOUNT. AND IF WE CAN GET COMMITMENT FROM MR. NELSON THAT THIS IS REALISTIC AND THIS IS WHAT WE CAN DO AND THAT BENEFITS THE PLAN OF THE SITE MOVING FORWARD. GREAT. UM, CHERYL? YEAH, BACK TO THE SURVEYING ON THE FENCE. I MEAN, I DO REMEMBER THAT OVER A YEAR AGO. AND I JUST WANNA CLARIFY. SO DAVID, YOU'RE SAYING NO ONE EVER ASKED THE CITY TO DO THE SURVEY EVEN THOUGH IT WAS DISCUSSED OR WE DID ASK, BUT NO ONE HAS RESPONDED BECAUSE IF I HEARD YOU CORRECTLY, IT'S NEVER BEEN DONE. IS THAT CORRECT? THE CONVERSATION ESSENTIALLY WAS, YEAH, THERE NEEDS TO BE A SURVEY BEING DONE AND THEN EVERYONE WAS LIKE, YEAH, OKAY. AND THERE WAS NO ACT SINCE THERE WEREN'T ANY SITE PLANS OR, AND THE NEIGHBOR WAS TALKING ABOUT MAKING THEIR OWN FENCE. THEY WERE KIND OF LIKE, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING UNTIL SOMEONE START, SOMEONE WANTS TO INVEST IN THIS SITE. SO I THINK NOW IS A GREAT TIME TO GO BACK AND SAY, HEY, REMEMBER THAT SURVEY WE TALKED ABOUT? WE NEED THAT DONE. AND I THINK THAT'S HOW THE CONVERSATION MOVES FORWARD. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THERE'S, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE A LOT OF PIECES OF THE CONVERSATION, RIGHT? I HAVE SOME, CHRISTOPHER HAS SOME AND WE ALL HAVE BEEN TRYING TO KEEP UP TO DATE WITH IT, BUT I'D LIKE TO JUST SAY, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT PUBLIC ART LAST NIGHT AND THERE'S A MOTION TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP THE BALL ROLLING HERE AND INVEST IN THE SITE. AND SO NOW IT'S TIME TO DO THAT AND TALK ABOUT WHAT IT TAKES AND WHAT'S THAT TIMELINE AND WHO'S YOUR, WHO'S THE SUBCONTRACTOR AND WHEN ARE THEY GONNA GET OUT THERE AND DO IT? AND I THINK THAT'S HOW IT LOOKS IN MY EYES. YES, HANNAH. YEAH. UM, I OBVIOUSLY WASN'T HERE WHEN YOU GUYS WENT THROUGH ALL THIS, BUT IS THERE A REASON THAT THE SURVEY WASN'T DONE BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE WAS DONE? LIKE THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE, RIGHT? YOU DO THE SURVEY, THIS, YOU DO THIS, YOU POUR THE STUFF FOR THE BENCHES BECAUSE YOU COULD DRIVE THROUGH IT BEFORE THE ARCH GOES IN. LIKE, WELL, WE ACTUALLY PEELED THE, THE FENCE WAS, THE FENCE WAS PEELED BACK FROM THE SITE SO THAT THEY CAN ACCESS IT. OKAY. AND NATHAN WAS THE, THE OWNER, NATHAN APPLE OF THE ADJOINING PROPERTY, HE ALLOWED US TO HAVE ACCESS TO IT. I THINK IT ALL WAS WAITING ON WHAT HE WANTS TO DO WITH THE FENCE. AND SO IT WASN'T NEEDED, THE, THE ARCH COULD GO IN ON KNOWN CITY LAND THAT THE, WHERE THE LOT LIED LINE IS WASN'T REALLY RELEVANT TO US. I'M NOT EVEN SURE THAT IT STILL IS. IS THE SURVEY, DOES IT MATTER THEN? LIKE WHY FOR THE GRADING AND ALL THAT? IS THAT WHAT THAT'S WHAT THE SURVEY MATTERS FOR. OKAY. I WOULD THINK IF ANY OF THE LANDSCAPING ENCROACHES ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, THERE'S SOME LIABILITY THAT'S GONNA TRANSFER OVER. SO IT'S PROBABLY ALL TIED UP IN LEGAL BOUNDARY. SO THE SURVEY IS FOR THE SITE GRADING. AND THEN JUST CHRISTOPHER, DID YOU HAVE [01:30:01] SOMETHING TO ADD TO THAT? YEAH, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE CASE. , I THINK THAT THE, UM, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT SOME, SOME PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR THE SURVEY FOR FOUR YEARS OR SOMETHING THEREABOUTS, AND IT'S, THERE'S ALWAYS A REASON WHY IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. UM, IN FACT, DAVID, UM, IT'S AT ONE POINT SAID IT'S JUST, IT'S EXPENSIVE. IT'S A BIG ASK OF THE, OF THE DEPARTMENT. OKAY. AND I'M, AND WE SUBSEQUENTLY JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO FOUND OUT THAT THE CITY HAS A, HAS A CIVIL ENGINEER ON RETAINER AND THEY CAN COME IN AND DO ANY LEVEL OF SURVEY VERY QUICKLY, JUST LIKE THE PERMIT GUYS THAT AREN'T GETTING PAID HOURLY. RIGHT? SO IT WAS FOR THE, UM, THE, THE FENCE HAS ALWAYS BEEN AN ISSUE, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT'S, IT, THIS COMMITTEE SPENT MONEY ON THIS PROJECT TO, TO GET A, I BELIEVE IT WAS CALLED A PROPERTY REPORT. WE COMMISSIONED A PROPERTY REPORT WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO SELECT THIS SITE FOR THE RIVER ARCH AND THAT THAT'S WHAT REVEALED THE, THE WONKINESS OF THIS SITE WHERE IT SORT OF WENT OVER ALL THE WAY ONTO THE, THE NEIGHBOR'S DRIVEWAY. AND THAT WOULD JUST IMMEDIATELY, YOU'RE LIKE, WAIT A MINUTE, THE CITY'S PROPERTY IS LIKE THIS, THIS PRIVATE LAND AND THIS AND THE OTHER, THIS FENCE RUNS RIGHT THROUGH THE CITY'S PROPERTY. NOT JUST STRAIGHT, BUT IT KIND OF GOES LIKE THIS. OKAY. SO YOU WOULD THINK THAT THE CITY WOULD HAVE AN INTEREST IN, IN FINDING OUT WHERE IT'S PROPERTY WAS, IF THEY'RE GONNA DO A PROJECT THERE. THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS THE THINKING WAY BACK THEN. AND IT WAS ACKNOWLEDGED DURING DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETINGS. AND THEN JUST RECENTLY THE MOST SORT OF EFFECTIVE THING THAT CAME OF THIS WAS THE SENIOR TRAFFIC ENGINEER WHEN ESCALATING THIS TO HIS, HI, THE P HIS COLLEAGUES WHO MIGHT BE ABLE TO AUTHORIZE THIS. HE SAID THAT WAS THE FIRST ORDER HE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THAT'S THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS. SO, UM, I THINK IT'S MORE, AND HE'S NOT EXPECTING NECESSARILY THE SITE IMPROVEMENTS TO BE DONE, IT IS JUST SOMETHING THE, THE RELOCATION OF THE FENCE IS SOMETHING THAT HE IS ALWAYS EXPECTED TO DO. UM, IS THAT A CORRECT CHARACTERIZATION? YEAH, I THINK YOU'RE SUMMARIZING VERY WELL. OKAY. OKAY. AND THEN JUST ONE OTHER THING WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT ALL THE PARTNERSHIPS YOU GUYS HAVE MADE, UM, WHILE WORKING ON THIS PROJECT, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY OF PETALUMA KEEPS FAILING IS THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S THIS ORGANIZATION OR THAT, OR LIKE THEY HAVE THESE VOLUNTEERS, THEY HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE READY TO DO THE WORK FOR FREE, DONATE THEIR TIME, AND THE CITY OF PETALUMA WON'T PERMIT IT, OR THEY DON'T EVEN RESPOND TO THE IDEA OF PEOPLE COMING IN AND FIXING A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK OR DOING WHATEVER. SO IT'S LIKE, I, I DON'T KNOW, LIKE THE MORE I SIT ON THESE BOARDS, LIKE THE MORE FRUSTRATED I GET AND I JUST WANNA LIKE WALK AWAY BECAUSE IT'S LIKE, WHAT'S I, IT'S INSANE. IT'S JUST INSANITY THAT LIKE THE CITY CAN'T JUST SHOW UP AND DO WHAT THEY ARE PAYING PEOPLE ALREADY TO DO. LIKE THEY'RE ON STAFF. IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE PAYING THEM BONUSES TO GO OUT AND DO THEIR WORK THAT THEY'RE BEING PAID TO DO, WHETHER IT'S PERMITTING OR SURVEYING OR WHATEVER. SO, I DON'T KNOW. ANYWAYS, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY, CHRISTOPHER. YEAH, EMOTIONAL. I, I TEND TO AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT. UM, TO THE, UM, THERE IS A CONCERN ON THE PART OF THE CITY FROM WHAT I'VE LEARNED ABOUT ACQUIRING ANY NEW PUBLIC SPACE THAT NEEDS MAINTENANCE, RIGHT? AND I THINK YOU PROBABLY KNOW THAT, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU PROBABLY HEAR TIME AND TIME AGAIN HOW STRETCHED THE PARKS IS AND THEY, EVEN THOUGH THIS ISN'T A PARK, THEY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR TAKING CARE OF IT, WHICH IS UM, WHICH IS ASKING A LOT. THE GOOD THING IS SANDY'S PUT TOGETHER A PLAN THAT REQUIRES VERY LITTLE MAINTENANCE. AND WE HAVE, WE HAVE PROJECT PARTNERS HERE WHO HAVE, WHO HAVE COMMITTED TO IRRIGATE PLANTING THE TREES, IRRIGATING THE TREES FOR THE FIRST THREE YEARS. AND REALLY THE MAINTENANCE COMES DOWN TO CUTTING THE, THE ANNUAL GRASSES BACK, RIGHT? SO IT'S NOT A BIG LIFT, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S A CON CONSIDERATION. YEAH. I MEAN, 'CAUSE THEY JUST GET, THEY KEEP GETTING HIT WITH MORE STUFF. THEY HAVE THAT NEW FIELD AND ALL THE LEDS AND THE NEW DEVELOPMENT BEHIND IN AND OUT THERE. THAT'S ALL PARK HAS TO MAINTAIN THAT THEY HAVE, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE KENNELWORTH, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE PROBABLY THE FAIRGROUNDS, THEY HAVE SEVEN PEOPLE ON STAFF. LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S INSANE. SO I DON'T KNOW. WELL THIS SITE ALREADY HAS SEASONAL GRASS THAT'S CUT BACK WHEN IT GETS TOO HIGH. I DON'T THINK, I MEAN THE DIFFERENCE WOULD BE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TREES AND YEAH. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT BOULDERS LIKE THE, THE PLANTING OF THIS. I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT LIKE THE ROADBLOCKS. THE [01:35:01] CITY CONTINUES TO PUT UP ON EVERYTHING WHEN THESE PEOPLE ARE STAFFED BY THE CITY. IT'S LIKE, IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL TO HAVE SOMEONE GO OUT AND SURVEY. YEAH. THERE'S PEOPLE WRITING PERMITS, THERE'S PEOPLE INSPECTING, THERE'S PEOPLE LIKE THEY'RE EMPLOYED BY THE CITY. IT'S HARD TO COMMENT ON THAT. BEYOND OUR EXP EXPERIENCE. I HAVE, YOU KNOW, I DUNNO, I'M A VOLUNTEER. I'M NOT GETTING PAID. I CAN SAY WHATEVER I WANT. YES, YOU YOU'RE COMPLETELY ENTITLED TO USE YOUR PLATFORM. THANK YOU. OF COURSE. MIC OFF. UM, AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR FRUSTRATIONS. I I JUST, FOR WHATEVER REASON, I DOGGEDLY WANNA SEE THIS DONE AND I THINK MOST OF US DO. SO IN ORDER TO MOVE THE CONVERSATION FORWARD, I THINK WE SHOULD DECIDE IF WE WANNA DO THIS FOR RIGHT NOW, BREAK OUT WHAT YOU THINK IS ENOUGH ALLOCATE ALLOCATION AND THEN I THINK WE SHOULD USE IT AS A PLATFORM TO MOVE FORWARD IN OUR CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE TAKEN THIS NEXT NEXT STEP OF OUR OWN ACCORD. 'CAUSE IT MOST DIRECTLY IS RELATED TO OUR PURVIEW. MAYBE PUT UP FOR, UM, CONSIDERATION THE IDEA OF CONTINUING THIS, UM, UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING AND CONTINUING TO MOVE TO ACQUIRE THE PIECES AS MUCH AS I WANT TO DO IT. AND I'VE BEEN LOBBYING TO DO THAT, UM, BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE TWO MONTHS UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING AND THERE MIGHT BE THINGS THAT, UM, THAT HAPPEN IN THE MEANTIME THAT, THAT SUBSTANTIVELY SHAPE THIS PROJECT IN THE MEANTIME. CAN WE AT LEAST PURCHASE THE BENCH? YEAH, WELL I, I THINK WE CAN DO, I THINK WE CAN DO, UM, YOU KNOW, FOLLOW YOUR RECOMMENDATION, WHICH, WHICH SEEMS SOUND, BUT UM, AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, WAITING TILL NEXT MEETING COULD BE EASY. YEAH. WE MIGHT JUST, MIGHT NOT, WE MIGHT KNOW MORE AND WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO NOT HAVE TO DIP BACK IN AGAIN, BUT HAPPY TO DO IT. HAPPY TO ACQUIRE IT NOW. AND I'M, I'M GOOD WITH OKAYING THE 6,000, THE, THE 1200 GOES TO THE BENCH, THE REST SITS IN THERE JUST AS A A, A PROMISE OF WE WANT TO GET THESE PADS POURED. LIKE, AND NONE OF MY RANT WAS IT NOT LIKE, I DON'T WANT TO GET THIS DONE. IT WAS JUST LIKE, THIS IS RIDICULOUS THAT NOTHING CAN BE LIKE, PLANNED OUT BETTER THROUGH THE CITY OF LIKE, AND THEN OH, OH AND LIGHTING AND LIGHTING'S. LIKE, CAN WE DO SOLAR FOR LIGHTING? LIKE THERE HAS TO BE A LIGHTING SOLUTION, WHICH I KNOW ISN'T ON THE THING RIGHT NOW, BUT NO, I WISH IT WAS, BUT WE'RE GONNA BE GETTING SOME KNOWN QUANTITIES AS FAR AS WHAT SOLAR COSTS ARE FOR, UM, FINE BALANCE. AND SO I THINK AS THOSE QUANTITIES PRESENT THEMSELVES, IT'LL HELP GUIDE US ON THAT AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS. I THINK WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE WATTAGE IS FOR THIS SITE, LIKE WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE, UM, A WHEEL IN THE RIVER, YOU KNOW, MAKE OUR OWN POWER RIGHT THERE, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE AWESOME. BUT YEAH, WE'LL SEE. BUT I THINK THAT PART OF IT, I, I'M OKAY WITH TABLING THE DISCUSSION. AND THEN WHAT I DO KNOW, THE KNOWN QUANTITY I DO KNOW IS I WANT THOSE PIECES INSTALLED. YEAH. I WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE VOTE OR TAKE A MOTION TO BUY THE BENCH NOW AND THEN EARMARK THE 6,400 FOR THE CONCRETE PADS AND THE 1600 FOR THE STEEL FRAGMENT INSTALLATION IN JANUARY OR AS SOON AS POSSIBLE CONTINGENT ON THE SURVEY AND GRADING, NOT IMPACTING THE PLACEMENT OF SAID PADS. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY'S SO WHAT WE'RE, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PURCHASING THE BENCH AND THEN BECAUSE SO CONCRETE PADS AND STEEL FRAGMENTS ARE 72, OR I'M SORRY, 8,000 TOTAL FOR THAT. WHAT I WAS SUGGESTING WAS A PORTION OF THAT FOR RIGHT NOW, ITEM TOTAL. SO THERE'S CONCRETE PADS. I MEAN THAT'S A BIG CHUNK. SO CHRIS, YOU'RE, YOUR EYEBROWS ARE RAISED. YEAH, . IT'S JUST, IT'S SO HARD TO SAY. IT'S A, IT'S AN INCOMPLETE QUOTE, RIGHT? YEAH. AND IT'S, UH, OKAY THEN LET'S JUST PURCHASE THE BENCH AND THEN TABLE THE DISCUSSION ON THE REMAINING AMOUNT UNTIL WE HAVE CLARIFICATION FROM PAT NELSON, UM, AND OUR PARTNERS. BUT FOR NOW IT SHOWS THAT THIS IS WHAT WE WANNA DO AND THEN THAT IT'S A PRIORITY ON OUR NEXT AGENDA. AND A QUICK QUESTION. THE CONCRETE PADS, DID WE DETERMINE IT WAS TWO OR THREE DIFFERENT PADS? I BELIEVE IT'S THREE TOTAL. OKAY. [01:40:01] BUT ONE OF THEM, ONE OF THEM IS FOR THE BENCH, THE OTHER TWO ARE FOR THE FRAGMENTS. OKAY. OKAY. THANKS. AND WE HAVEN'T BEEN QUOTED ON THAT IN THIS ITERATION. SO DO WE HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION OR DO WE ALL VOTE ON THAT? YEAH, UM, YEAH, YOU WOULD NEED A MOTION TO OKAY. TO ALLOCATE SPENDING. I WANT TO BE CLEAR WHAT THE RECOMMEND, I KNOW NO ONE'S MADE A MOTION, BUT THE, WHAT WE'RE CIRCLING IT SOUNDS LIKE IS $1,200 TO PURCHASE THE BENCH. AND THAT'S, THAT'S IT FOR NOW. AND INQUIRE WITH PAT NELSON ABOUT INSTALLATION COSTS AND ANYTHING ELSE. I HAVE SOME OTHER SUGGESTIONS UNRELATED TO THE MOTION, BUT YEAH, I THINK UNTIL WE KNOW, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE SETTING UP TO, TO PAY FOR THE INSTALLATION. 'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT SEEMS FAIR. AND SO I CAN IMAGINE THIS WILL PROBABLY BE A LIKELY LIKE $10,000 BUDGET DOWN THE ROAD TO DO THAT PART. AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST THE REALITY. IF WE'RE GONNA BUY THE BENCH AND WE'RE GONNA, WE HAVE TO INSTALL OUR ART. SO I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT SHOULD PROBABLY BE TYPE OF TOP OF MIND FOR US. AND IT MAY BE A WAY TO, TO SHOW OUR PARTNERS, YOU KNOW, THAT THE REST ISN'T CARRYING A WHOLE WEIGHT, IT'S PUBLIC ARTS TAKING OUR RESPONSIBILITY ON AND WE'RE ASKING THAT OUR PARTNERS TAKE ON SOME CAN, CAN WE FIND OUT IF THE COMMITTEE IS IN GENERAL AGREEMENT ABOUT THAT? YES. UM, WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO DISCUSS WHERE THEY'RE AT WITH THAT? WELL, I REALLY LIKED WHAT YOU SAID, UM, AND I CAN'T REALLY PARAPHRASE IT, BUT YOU SAID SOMETHING LIKE, WE WOULD PURCHASE THE BENCH, UM, AND THEN THE NEXT STEP IS THAT WE ACKNOWLEDGE THE CITY HAS TO FINISH THEIR SURVEY. I MEAN, IT'S THEIR SURVEY, IT'S THE CITY LAND AND THERE'S A NEIGHBOR. AND I JUST REMEMBER BEING OUT THERE THE DAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAD THE INSTALLATION EVENT AND UM, I GUESS I WAS TALKING TO THE NEIGHBOR, I DIDN'T REALLY KNOW WHO I WAS TALKING TO, AND HE SAYS, YEAH, I THOUGHT MY, YOU KNOW, PROPERTY ENDED THERE, BUT NOW THEY TELL ME IT'S HERE AND I GUESS WE NEED TO HAVE A SURVEY. AND, AND I THOUGHT, OKAY, WELL LET'S GET THAT DONE. I MEAN, I, I JUST, I DON'T SEE THAT IT'S A RESPONSIBILITY OF THE ART COMMITTEE. IT'S THE CITY AND THE NEIGHBOR AND I DON'T KNOW WHO OWNED THE LAND FIRST. I MEAN, I'M THINKING IT MUST HAVE BEEN CITY AND THEN THEY SOLD THE LAND TO THE NEIGHBOR. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT ALL WORKED, BUT IT'S LIKE WHEN I HAD TO SELL MY MOTHER'S LITTLE FARM LE YOU KNOW, UH, FARM PROPERTY, YOU GET THE SURVEYS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW WHERE YOU BELIEVE THE FENCE LINE IS AND THE NEIGHBOR AGREES. AND, AND YOU LOOK AT ALL THOSE OLD, YOU KNOW, MAPS AND, AND, AND YOU READ SOME OF IT, WELL, YOU WALK TO WHERE THE IRON POST IS AND THEN YOU WALK SO MUCH FURTHER AND YOU KNOW, UNTIL YOU GET A SURVEY DONE. I JUST, I DON'T, I AGREE WITH EVERYONE'S FRUSTRATION THAT SINCE THIS WAS DISCUSSED FOUR YEARS AGO, WHICH WAS BEFORE I WAS ON THE COMMITTEE ALSO, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT HASN'T BEEN DONE . WELL WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACQUIRE THE BENCH FOR A COST OF $1,200. WE TABLED A DISCUSSION ON THE REMAINING BUDGET AND IN THE MEANTIME REQUEST A SURVEY FROM THE CITY AND THE NEIGHBOR AND THAT WE ALLOCATE, UM, AN UNKNOWN QUANTITY PENDING PROPER BIDDING BY THE, BY THE CONTRACTOR, MR. NELSON. UM, AND THEN WE DISCUSS IT IN OUR NEXT MEETING IN JANUARY. UM, THE ONLY OTHER ALTERNATIVE I WAS THINKING IS THAT, UM, CHRISTOPHER WAS MENTIONING, UM, CONTINUING THE ITEM UNTIL WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION, WHICH I DIDN'T, UM, IT'S NOT THAT I DIDN'T CONSIDER IN THE BEGINNING, BUT, UM, IT MAKES MORE SENSE THE MORE I THINK THROUGH THAT JUST BECAUSE THERE, TO YOUR POINT, THERE ARE SOME UNKNOWN COSTS THAT WE'RE STILL TRYING TO PIN DOWN AND, UM, I MEAN, SPOILERS THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA GET THE BENCH INSTALLED BEFORE JANUARY. SO IT MIGHT BE IF YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO SEE A BIGGER PICTURE OF THINGS AND INCORPORATE OTHER ELEMENTS AT A, AT A HOPEFULLY A MORE KNOWN AND CLARIFIED COST, IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO WAIT TILL JANUARY, BUT YOU MADE A MOTION AND YOU KNOW, WE CAN CERTAINLY PROCEED THAT WAY. SO I'M, I'M JUST YEAH. IN MY THINKING, NOT GIVING YOU ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE THAT IS THAT THE ARTIST OFFERED IT TO US MORE THAN SIX MONTHS AGO. AND I THINK IT'S VERY UNPROFESSIONAL THAT WE HAVE NOT RESPONDED, UM, AS A GROUP. [01:45:01] AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT FOR SEVERAL MONTHS ABOUT DOING IT AND HOPING THAT WHEN WE HAD A LARGER CONVERSATION THAT IT WOULD THEN HAPPEN. AND NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING THAT AGAIN IN ANOTHER MONTH. AND THAT WAS JUST MY THINKING. I WOULD LOVE TO DO IT ALL AT ONCE, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, I'D LIKE TO COMMIT TO THE ARTIST THAT WE ARE INDEED PURCHASING IT AND THAT THE LARGER CONVERSATION IS STILL HAPPENING. I THINK THAT SEEMS FAIR. ARE THERE ANY, I'M HAPPY TO HEAR OPINIONS OTHERWISE OR OKAY, WELL JUST MAKE SURE THE MOTION CLARIFIES. THE INSTALLATION IS FOR THE BENCH AND THE FRAGMENTS. WELL, WE'RE TABLING THAT PART OF THE DISCUSSION TO LATER. WE'RE ONLY MAKING A MOTION TO PURCHASE THE BENCH AND ASKING THE CITY TO TRY TO GET THEIR LOT LINE SURVEYED. AND THEN WE WILL HOPEFULLY HAVE MORE KNOWN QUANTITIES TO DISCUSS THE INSTALLATION OF THE NEXT MEETING BEFORE WE ALLOCATE FUNDS. SO THE MOTION IS JUST FOR THE YEAH, FOR NOW IT'S JUST FOR THE BENCH. JUST, YEAH, I FIGURED IT SOUNDS LIKE WE JUST NEED TO KNOW MORE, BUT, UM, IF YOU ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT OR IF YOU'D LIKE TO ALLOCATE AN ADDITIONAL 6,000 OR WHATEVER AT THIS TIME, THAT'S FINE. I JUST, IS IT MORE WORK FOR STAFF TO DO THAT OR IS IT, UM, I MEAN IT'S JUST KIND OF THE SAME PREPARATION THAT I HAD TO DO TONIGHT, WHICH IS LIKE STAFF REPORT DISCUSSING AND, AND KIND OF SETTING UP WHY WE'RE DISCUSSING IT AND THEN CREATING ANOTHER RESOLUTION. SO THERE'LL BE A FEW RESOLUTIONS ATTACHED TO THIS PROJECT, BUT IT'S NOT OKAY. I MEAN, IT'S NOT A HUGE LIFT OR ANYTHING. OKAY. OKAY. UH, IS EVERYBODY IN AGREEMENT? I SECOND THE MOTION. OKAY. DO WE HAVE TO TAKE A ROLL VOTE OR? OKAY. COMMITTEE MEMBER COL IRON? YES. COMMITTEE MEMBER MOORING? YES. COMMITTEE MEMBER BELTWAY. ABSENT. COMMITTEE MEMBER SMITH? YES. COMMITTEE MEMBER DIGS? YES. COMMITTEE MEMBER ZA SIMMONS? YES. CHAIR ABERCROMBIE. YES. THE VOTE IS PASSED. OKAY. CHRISTOPHER, DO YOU HAVE, YEAH, ONE MORE THING AS WE, BEFORE WE LEAVE THIS TOPIC. UM, I THOUGHT IT, IF, IF JERRY, WOULD IT BE OKAY, UM, OUTSIDE OF TO TALK ABOUT THE RIVER ARCH MORE? THAT'S NOT PART OF THE PROJECT UPDATES. CAN CAN I ADD IT HERE? IT JUST SEEMS APPROPRIATE. YES, YES, OF COURSE. OKAY. THE, UM, TO CLARIFY AGAIN, BACK TO THAT LETTER THAT I DRAFTED, UM, REALLY ABOUT THE SITE IMPROVEMENTS AT, AT THIS SITE AND AT H STREET POCKET PARK, UM, PART OF THAT WERE, WERE WERE FORMAL REQUESTS FOR THIS, NOT FOR MONEY FROM THE CITY, BUT NECESSARILY, BUT FOR, UM, FOR THEIR HELP. UM, I ASKED THAT THE CITY DEPARTMENTS WORK TOGETHER TO HELP SOLVE THE SPECIFIC PROBLEMS THAT THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE WAS HAVING WITH EACH OF THESE SITES. AND THE ONE AT THIS SITE WAS THE POWER, UM, GETTING THE POWER TO THE SCULPTURE. AND SO REALLY ALL THAT WAS ASKED, THERE WASN'T A BUDGET ALLOCATION FOR THAT. UM, BUT IT WAS FOR THEM TO PROBLEM SOLVE AND SEE IF THEY COULD COME UP WITH A MORE COST EFFECTIVE WAY OF GETTING POWER TO THE POWER TO THE SITE. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, THE LAST WE LEFT IT, IT'S A 50 PLUS THOUSAND DOLLARS ENDEAVOR TO HOOK UP THE POWER. SO, UM, THAT'S JUST FOR CLARIFICATION. ONE CLARIFICATION. IS THE POWER DESIGN ELEMENT OR A CITY SAFETY REQUIREMENT COME AGAIN, IS THE LIGHTING A DESIGN ELEMENT OR A CITY REQUIREMENT? SO THIS IS FOR THE INTRINSIC LIGHTING ON THE SCULPTURE. SO THE, SO THE ARTIST'S TEAM AS, AS DAVID OUTLINED, UM, BUILT POWER INTO IT OR BUILT, BUILT LIGHTING INTO IT, PUT THE POWER, THERE'S A DROPBOX THERE, THERE'S, IT'S READY TO BE PLUGGED IN EXCEPT THE POWER THAT WAS SO, UM, EASILY ACCESSIBLE BASED ON ALL, ALL OF OUR INITIAL DE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETINGS AND SITE VISITS HAS, IS NO LONGER THERE. SO YEAH, MY QUESTION WAS REALLY ABOUT WHAT IS THEIR MOTIVATION AND IF IT'S A DESIGN ELEMENT, THERE'LL BE LESS MOTIVATION IF THERE IS A SAFETY OR, UM, A PUBLIC SAFETY OR SECURITY ISSUE. THAT'S WHAT THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I MEAN IT'S A, IT'S A NICE APPROACH TO TAKE AND I THINK WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT ACTUALLY IN ONE OF THESE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW [01:50:01] COMMITTEE MEETINGS ABOUT GETTING, UM, SOLAR BALLARDS THERE TO THAT SITE, UM, HAVING SOME SORT OF LIGHTING THAT WAS, AND THEN ONE OF THE, AND AND THE CITY ENGINEER, I BELIEVE AT THE TIME SUGGESTED SOLAR BOLLARDS. MM-HMM. . UM, BUT IF THAT'S THE SOLUTION, THEN THEY WOULDN'T NEED ANY POWER. SO, UM, AT THIS POINT I DON'T THINK WE CAN MAKE THE SAFETY ARGUMENT. IT WOULD REALLY HURT TO STUB YOUR TOE ON THAT. UM, SO WHERE WAS THE POWER SUPPOSED TO BE? THE TWO PLACES THAT I UNDERSTOOD IT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE, THERE'S A, THERE'S A UTILITY POLE LIKE 30 FEET FROM THE SCULPTURE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT ROUGHLY. UM, THAT WAS THE NUMBER ONE PLACE. AND THEN THERE WAS SOME SORT OF A BOX THAT WAS, UM, IN THE, IN THE EMBANKMENT TO THE, UM, TO THE SIDE OF THE PATH THAT PUBLIC WORKS THOUGHT THAT THEY COULD ACCESS POWER FROM DAVID. UM, ACTUALLY WOULD PROBABLY KNOW MORE THAN I WOULD ON THAT BASED ON HIS TALKS WITH THEM. SO, UH, UH, TO MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT, THAT TERMINAL THAT THEY WERE, THAT CHRISTOPHER'S TALKING ABOUT THE SECOND SITE TURNED OUT TO NOT BE ACTIVE OR, OR IT'S IT'S NOT DELIVERING POWER ANYMORE. THEY'RE NOT USING IT ANYMORE. IT'S NOT ACTIVATED, UH, AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND. AND THEN THE UTILITY POLE IS OWNED BY PG E AND SO WE WERE WORKING THROUGH A SUB-CONSULTANT DC ELECTRIC TO TALK, TO UNDERSTAND HOW TO TAP INTO THAT. AND UM, IT WOULD'VE BEEN NICE TO KNOW A LONG TIME AGO, BUT PG E BASICALLY CAME BACK AND SAID THAT YOU, FOR THE POWER THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT AN APPROPRIATE SOURCE AND THAT IT WAS GONNA BE TOO POWERFUL OR, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UM, AND THEY JUST SAID THAT IT'S, IT'S NOT A VIABLE OPTION. AND SO, UM, AGAIN, IT WOULD'VE BEEN REALLY NICE TO KNOW ALL THAT INFORMATION LONG BEFORE, UM, AND UM, WE COULD HAVE MADE MORE INFORMED DECISIONS, BUT, UM, WE'RE HERE NOW, SO THANK YOU EVERYONE. IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS? OKAY. WE'RE GONNA KEEP TRYING OUR BEST AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'VE ALL DECIDED TONIGHT, MAYBE WITH HANNAH. YEAH. WELL, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TAKE POWER FROM NEIGHBORS LIKE FRIENDLY . NO, IN THE CITY WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TAKE POWER FROM A NEIGHBOR. WE JUST FIGURED THAT OUT WITH THE H STREET PARK WE WERE OFFERED FREE POWER. SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S, THERE'S A LIABILITY CONCERN AND IT'S NOT IN OUR PURVIEW TO, WE HAVE TO HAVE OUR OWN. SO, UM, YEAH, NEW KNOWLEDGE LEARNED KNOWLEDGE . UM, OKAY. I WILL NOW OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT UNLESS THERE'S ANY OF AN ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION. OKAY. HAVE THERE BEEN ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS RECEIVED? JUELLE WE RECEIVED NO PUBLIC COMMENTS, UH, PRIOR TO THIS MEETING FOR THIS ITEM. OKAY. ALL OF THE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE ARE GONE. AND SO WE WILL CLOSE THIS ITEM AND MOVE ON TO COMMITTEE COMMENT. WOULD COMMITTEE MEMBERS LIKE TO PROVIDE COMMENT ON UPDATES DURING THIS ITEM FROM THEIR AD HOC COMMITTEES? UM, FINE BALANCE. NOTHING ON OUR END HAS HAPPENED. DAVID. [STAFF COMMENT] I JUST HAD SOME STUFF IN THE STAFF COMMENT THAT I COULD, I COULD JUST VOLUNTEER NOW TOO. UM, IT'S, UH, THAT WE DO HAVE TRACTION WITH SOLAR AND GOING THROUGH THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS WITH BRIAN. UM, HE IS, WE ARE INDEPENDENTLY STAFF IS LOOKING FOR BIDS FROM LOCAL VENDORS FOR SOLAR. UM, A LOT OF THEM ARE COMING BACK AS THIS PROJECT IS TOO SMALL AND THEY WON'T WORK ON IT. UM, BUT WE ARE, THERE ARE A FEW AVENUES, A A FEW VENDORS THAT ARE, I'M COMMUNICATING WITH. UM, BUT ALSO BRIAN HAS, UH, RECOMMENDED THAT A, A FRIEND ACTUALLY HAS VOLUNTEERED TO DONATE SOME SOLAR PANELS FOR THE INSTALLATION. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S JUST PROVIDING THE PANELS AND LEAVING IT AT THAT OR ACTUALLY BEING, UH, ELECTRICAL ENGINEER AND BEING ABLE TO HOOK ALL OF THAT UP. I, I'M NOT CLEAR ABOUT THAT, BUT, UM, AFTER THE HOLIDAYS OR YOU KNOW, WE JUST CAME BACK, I DID TALK TO THE DONOR. OH, YOU DID? YEAH. AT AN EVENT. AND HE SAID IT WAS SIMPLY FOR THE PANELS THAT WE WOULD STILL NEED A CONVERTER OR SOME OTHER MATERIALS. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH SOLAR INSTALLATION. SO REALLY IT WAS THE PANELS AND THAT WE WOULD ASSUME THE REMAINDER. UM, THAT'S, THAT'S STILL GOOD NEWS. YES, AND I RECEIVED HIS, HE GAVE ME HIS BUSINESS CARD, SO I'LL TAKE A PHOTO OF IT AND SEND IT ON TO YOU, DAVID. I THINK I HAVE HIS EMAIL TOO, SO YEAH. [01:55:03] DID YOU HAVE ANY MORE? I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERJECT. NO, UM, UH, I DID REACH OUT TO BRIAN ABOUT SCHEDULING STUDIO VISITS AND HE THOUGHT THAT FEBRUARY WOULD BE A GOOD TIME. UM, I ASKED FOR A COUPLE WEEKENDS AND DATES AND HE SAID THAT HE DIDN'T REALLY KNOW WHAT HIS PLANS WERE GONNA BE LIKE AFTER THE HOLIDAYS, SO, UM, HE WOULD CIRCLE BACK. SO, UM, BUT YEAH, IT'S ON, I TOLD HIM THAT WE HAD EXPECTED TO DO THAT SOON AND THIS IS A GREAT TIME TO DO IT, UM, TO SEE HIS STUDIO, SEE THE SECOND PHASE OF THE FABRICATION ALL COMING TOGETHER. SO IT, IT'S A PRIME TIME TO DO IT. AND, UH, HE SOUNDED RECEPTIVE. SO ALSO, COULD YOU PROVIDE CLARIFICATION FOR THE REST OF THE COMMITTEE ABOUT HIS CURRENT TIMELINE FOR THE PROJECT? BECAUSE IT KEEPS SHIFTING AND I'M NOT SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S AWARE OF IT. YEAH, THE LATEST IS THAT HE ASKED TO NOT MOVE TO THE NEXT MILESTONE PAYMENT UNTIL JANUARY UNTIL THE NEW YEAR FOR TAX PURPOSES. AND, UM, WHICH IS, UM, SINCE THIS BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS HAS TAKEN LONGER THAN ANTICIPATED, THAT'S AN EASY ACCOMMODATION TO MAKE, UM, ESPECIALLY WITH THE ANTICIPATED, YOU KNOW, THE HOLIDAYS COMING UP. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THE SECOND PHASE OF HIS FABRICATION WILL START IN JANUARY, IF NOT, HE'S ALREADY STARTED AND JUST HASN'T, YOU KNOW, THE FUNDS HAVEN'T BEEN SENT TO HIM YET. UM, STUDIO VISITS PROBABLY IN FEBRUARY, AND THEN HE'S AIMING FOR INSTALLATION MARCH APRIL IS WHAT I, OR WAS IT MARCH TO MAY OR I CAN'T REMEMBER. OKAY. UM, BUT YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE LATEST TIMELINE I HAVE. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. UM, NOW IF THERE'S UPDATES ON RIVER ARCH, WHICH I THINK WE JUST COVERED, CHRIS, I I'D LIKE TO TALK MORE ABOUT FINE BALANCE. OH, OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. SO AGAIN, UH, I MAY MENTION THAT THAT LETTER TO CITY COUNCIL WAS TO, UM, WAS REALLY ABOUT SITE IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE H STREET POCKET PARK THAT WAS OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF THE, THIS PROJECT. WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S CLEAR AND THAT, UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, UH, BEING ON THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE, JUST LIKE WITH THE RIVER ARCH SITE, I'VE SAID THAT I BROUGHT TO THEIR ATTENTION THAT THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH POWER COMING TO THE SITE. AGAIN, IT'S ANOTHER $50,000, SEVERAL WAIT SEVERAL YEARS BECAUSE OF PG TILL PG A GETS TO IT, UM, TYPE THING. AND THERE, THERE ARE SEVERAL OPTIONS AND I DID, UM, PROBABLY OR MAYBE NAIVELY HAVE SUGGESTED ASK, ASK, ASKING THEM TO MAKE AN EXCEPTION, A TEMPORARY EXCEPTION SO WE COULD HOOK THIS PIECE UP TO POWER FROM THE, UH, FOUNDRY WHARF THAT OFFERED THEIR POWER. AND I'VE BEEN TOLD NUMEROUS TIMES BY, BY DAVID AND BY MELISSA, THAT THAT'S NOT ALLOWED. BUT I'M HOPING THAT, UM, THEY MIGHT MAKE AN ACCEPTANT ON A TEMPORARY BASIS KNOWING THAT EVENTUALLY POWER WOULD COME TO THAT SITE WHEN THEY MAYBE TEAR UP THE STREET. SO THAT'S THAT. AND, UH, WELL, AND ALSO THAT WAS, THAT CONVERSATION PREDATED THIS SOLAR PANEL DONATION, WHICH MAY MAKE IT MORE ATTAINABLE YEAH. IN THE LONG TERM. SO WE JUST NEED THOSE KNOWN QUANTITIES. AND SO FOR THE SOLAR, UM, MY, MY REQUEST THERE, MY OVERRIDING CONCERN IS WHAT IS THE DESIGN OF THAT SYSTEM? BECAUSE, UM, RIGHT NOW WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T CONSIDERED, WE HAVEN'T SEEN WHERE THE PHOTOVOLTAIC CELLS WILL BE. WILL THEY BE IN THE TUBS? WILL THEY BE SOMEWHERE ELSE? WILL THEY, IS IT EVEN ALLOWED AT THE PUBLIC PARK? HAS PARKS WEIGHED IN ON THIS? UM, SO I THINK SOME STAFF TIME NEEDS TO GO INTO TO VETTING THIS TO SEE IF IT'S, IF IT'S EVEN AN OPTION BEFORE WE FIND OUT WHETHER WE CAN ACQUIRE THE THING AFFORDABLY. AND I DO REMEMBER ONE INCARNATION OF BRIAN'S THINKING, BEING THAT THE SOLAR WAS ON TOP OF THE BATHTUBS AND THE SHAPE. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW REALISTIC THAT IS OR IF THAT'S LIKE A SPECIALIZED, I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SUCH A LOW WATTAGE PROJECT THAT IT'S KIND OF RIDICULOUS. LIKE, I ALMOST WANNA BUY SOMETHING THAT FREEDMAN'S AND PUT IT IN THE GROUND AND POINT IT UP. LIKE THAT'S JUST, I KNOW IT'S NOT ALLOWED NO UP LIGHTING, BUT LIKE I, IT GETS TO THAT POINT WHERE I'M, I I I REALLY WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS COMPLETED. YEAH, I THINK WE ALL DO. AND WHEN WE DISCUSSED IT YEARS AND YEARS AGO, VO UH, LIGHTING WAS ALWAYS PART OF THE, THE PIECE. AND SO, UM, ESPECIALLY NOW WHEN IT'S IN THIS DARKENED SPOT, THERE IS A DOWNLIGHT ON AN ADJACENT BUILDING APPROXIMATELY LIKE 40 FEET FROM IT. UM, BUT THAT'S IT. AND, AND SO AND WE'RE NOT TALKING, UH, IT'LL JUST BE AMBIENTLY LIT, NOT, NOT HARSHLY LIT. SO IT'LL REALLY JUST ADD ANOTHER HALF-LIFE TO THE PIECE WITH THE [02:00:01] EVENING HOURS AND, YOU KNOW, SEEING IT FROM THE RIVER AS YOU COME DOWN. ANN, YEAH. I'M WONDERING IS THE, THE LIGHTING IS ONLY AROUND THE LIFT OF THE BATHTUB, RIGHT? THERE'S NOTHING LIKE, NO UPLIGHTING FROM THE GROUND OR ANYTHING. SO WHAT IS STOPPING? I MEAN, WHY CAN'T THERE BE A VERY INEXPENSIVE, WHY IS IT SO COMPLICATED? WHY CAN'T WE GO TO FREEMAN'S AND BUY A $50 LIGHT AND PUT IT IN THE BATHTUB? OR MAYBE SOME NEIGHBOR DOES IT OR SOMETHING. I MEAN, IT'S JUST RIDICULOUS. LIKE IT'S TO THE POINT OF LIKE, OKAY, WE'LL JUST DO GORILLA ARTWORK BECAUSE NOTHING'S GONNA GET APPROVED ANYWHERE, SO JUST GO OUT AND DO IT YOURSELF. RIGHT? I MEAN, BUT WHAT ARE THE RESTRICTIONS FROM DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT? UH, LIGHTING ARTWORK IN GENERAL OR, OR JUST LIKE, OH, JUST A VERY INEXPENSIVE SELF-CONTAINED UNIT THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE LIGHTING TO BE RUN UNDERGROUND OR THROUGH THE LEGS. OR, I MEAN, WHY IS IT IF IT'S A VERY LOW VOLTAGE? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU THINK ABOUT THE LIGHTS IN YOUR YARD, THEY'RE RUN ON A, A, A, A, YOU KNOW, A PIECE THIS BIG WITH ONE FIVE FOOT WIRE TO A LIGHT AND YOU COULD RETROFIT THAT TO AN LED STRIP. VERY SIMPLY, THIS SEEMS LIKE IT'S OVERLY COMPLICATED. YES, YES, YES. LATTER. I THINK WE'VE DEFINED BUREAUCRACY. IT'S A LITTLE LATE NOW. ANN THE CAT'S OUT OF THE BAG, WHICH YOU'RE UP TO. IT'S A WASTE OF EVERYONE'S TIME. OKAY. AND ONE MORE THING ON FINE BALANCE. UM, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'VE VISITED, UM, SEARCHED FOR GAMES ON THE, UM, YEAH. UM, THERE'S A GAME CALLED TRIPPEN ON TUBS THAT WAS MADE BY PETALUMA CITIZEN ELLIOT BARLAS. AND IF YOU HAVEN'T PLAYED IT, YOU SHOULD DEFINITELY PLAY IT. YOU SHOULD GET THE WORD OUT. BUT I THINK IT'S JUST A FANTASTIC TRIBUTE TO, TO THE, THE WHOLE DIALOGUE THAT'S GONE ON AND OVER THE HOWEVER MANY YEARS SINCE 2017 AND THEREABOUTS FOR SIX YEARS, WHAT'S THAT? SIX YEARS. OKAY. FOR THIS PROJECT AND SORT OF, AND JUST A REALLY COOL THING THAT, THAT ONE PERSON CHOSE TO DO. AND UM, I WANNA DEFINITELY GIVE HIM CREDIT FOR THAT. AND HE DID RES, I BELIEVE YOU AND I BOTH RESPONDED TO HIM WHEN HE SENT IT IN AN EMAIL TO US. AND HE, I RECOMMENDED THAT HE LOOK INTO COMING TO ONE OF OUR MEETINGS. SO I WAS GONNA TALK TO YOU ABOUT GETTING HIM TO PRESENT HERE. I THINK THAT THAT MIGHT BE A NEXT STEP FOR HOW TO REALLY SHOWCASE TO THE PUBLIC, THE PEOPLE THAT DO CARE ABOUT IT AND THE PEOPLE THAT DO FIND IT AS A POINT OF INTEREST. AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVEN'T LATELY BEEN TO WATERSHED, THEY JUST HAD OPEN STUDIOS LAST WEEK AND I WAS ABLE TO TALK TO ONE OF THE PRINT MAKERS THERE AND THERE'S SUCH AN INTEREST IN ALL THE CURIOSITIES FOUND AROUND PETALUMA AND I OVERWHELMINGLY HEARD OF RES OF SUPPORT FOR FINE BALANCE FROM ARTISTS FROM THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WHAT A FUN, YOU KNOW, WAYFINDER AND DEFINITION FOR THE WHAT THAT, WHAT IS EMERGING FROM THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. AND SO, UM, YEAH, IT FELT REALLY GOOD. SO I GUESS THAT'S MY CONTRIBUTION TO THE FINE BALANCE DISCUSSION IS THAT THERE ARE STILL A LOT OF PEOPLE INTERESTED AND IT'S GREAT TO SEE THAT NEIGHBORS WILL RESPECT AND AND APPRECIATE IT. UM, I GUESS NOW WE CAN, WE JUST HAD A DISCUSSION ON RIVER ARCH. I HAVE NOTHING MORE TO CONTRIBUTE TO THAT. UM, CHRISTOPHER AND ANN, DO YOU, OKAY. UM, WOVEN STORIES WE ALSO COVERED QUITE A BIT. ARE THERE ADDITIONAL UPDATES? NO. OKAY. AND THE KENNELWORTH PLAYGROUND. UM, DAVID, UM, YEAH, AND I DIDN'T ACTUALLY HAVE MUCH OF AN UPDATE 'CAUSE WE JUST HAD THE JOINT SESSION, BUT THANK YOU ALL AGAIN FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION IN THAT. UM, THE SURVEY FOR THAT, THE MIG SETUP FOR THE PARK, UH, CLOSES ON THE 30TH. SO IF YOU HAVEN'T TAKEN IT, IF YOU HAVEN'T TOLD YOUR FRIENDS, UM, PLEASE DO TAKE IT. I THINK THERE'S CLOSE TO A THOUSAND RESPONSES, SO IT'S REALLY EXCITING TO HEAR THAT THERE'S A LOT OF ENERGY AROUND AN ACTIVITY AROUND THE PARK AND THE DESIGN. UM, OLEG IS TAKING A LITTLE BIT OF A HOLIDAY BREAK, UM, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE STILL HEADING FORWARD WITH THE COUNCIL PREPARATIONS, WHICH ISN'T COMING UP FOR ANOTHER COUPLE MONTHS. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I'LL BE CHECKING IN WITH HIM AND THE SUBCOMMITTEE SOON ABOUT, UM, PINNING DOWN SOME OF THE DESIGNS THAT HE PRESENTED AN OVERWHELMING AMOUNT OF WORK. SO, UM, WE'LL BE PINNING DOWN SOME OF OUR FAVORITES AND, UM, I THINK THAT'S ABOUT IT. THANK YOU. [02:05:01] YEAH, IT WAS REALLY EXCITING TO SEE AND I HOPE EVERYBODY WHO COULDN'T ATTEND WAS ABLE TO AT LEAST WATCH IT FROM HOME. UM, WITH THAT, IT LOOKS LIKE WE CAN CLOSE ITEMS. ACTUALLY, I HAVE ONE THING I'D LIKE TO ADD. SURE, YES, JUST A QUICK UPDATE FROM THE ART CENTER IS THAT, UH, I DID ATTEND THEIR BOARD MEETING IN, UM, OCTOBER, LATE OCTOBER, AND THEY ARE NOT REPLACING THE DIRECTOR KAREN JACOBS, THEY'RE ACTUALLY, THE WHOLE BOARD HAS ASSUMED HER RESPONSIBILITIES. AND THE CITY MAN, OR SORRY, THE, UM, ART CENTER MANAGERS REALLY STEPPED UP SO THEY FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE COVERING, UM, ALL OF THOSE DUTIES. UM, THEY PRETTY MUCH SET THEIR AGENDA FOR THEIR SHOWS, YOU KNOW, A A YEAR IN ADVANCE. AND THEY DO HAVE, UM, AVAILABILITY FOR US TO EXHIBIT IN THEIR SMALL ART GALLERY, WHICH IS, AS YOU ENTER THE, UM, THE ART CENTER, IT'S A LITTLE SPACE OFF TO THE LEFT. AND THEY HAD PROPOSED JANUARY AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO SHOWCASE OUR PORTFOLIO, WHATEVER THAT MEANS. UM, IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE SOON FOR US TO GET A SHOW TOGETHER, SO I'M GONNA ASK FOR ALTERNATE TIMES, UM, DEPENDING ON THEIR SCHEDULE. BUT THAT WOULD BE A NICE OPPORTUNITY FOR, FOR US AS A GROUP, NOT ONLY TO CREATE SOME SYNERGY WITH THE ART CENTER, BUT ALSO TO, YOU KNOW, SHOW THE PUBLIC WHAT WE'VE GOT GOING. WE COULD PUT SOME OF THE SMALLER MCCHESNEY STATUES IN THERE OR, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST SOME THINGS ON THE WALL ABOUT KENNELWORTH. MAYBE THE PSYCH PLAN GOES UP AGAIN FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T SEEN IT. JUST A, A NICE OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW WHAT WE'RE ALL ABOUT. SO, UM, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY IDEAS AROUND THAT OR WOULD LIKE TO GET INVOLVED, REACH OUT TO ME AND WE'LL TRY AND SET SOMETHING UP, UM, AFTER THE HOLIDAYS. YEAH. JUST A QUESTION. DO WE ALREADY HAVE LIKE, PROFESSIONAL GRADE PHOTOGRAPHS OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAS BEEN INSTALLED WITH DAVID BEST AND WITH THE SWIM CENTER AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WE'VE ALREADY, UM, ACQUIRED? THAT WE'VE ALREADY CREATED, LIKE, UH, LIKE PROFESSIONALLY DOCUMENTED PHOTOS AND THINGS LIKE THAT? RIGHT. NO. UM, WE DON'T, AND A BIG PART OF SOMETHING I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DEVOTE MY TIME TO OVER THE LAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN WITH THE COMMITTEE IS THAT, UM, A REALLY, LIKE IN DEPTH AND CONDITIONED REPORTED, UM, INVENTORY OF OUR, ALL OF THE CITY'S PUBLIC ART, UM, IS KIND OF JUST BEEN ON THE BACK BURNER FOR WAY, FRANKLY WAY TOO LONG. AND, UM, IT WAS DONE SEVERAL YEARS AGO WITH STEVE HUSS, BUT, UM, AGAIN, IT WASN'T, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT HIGH RESOLUTION IMAGES, IT WAS MOSTLY JUST MAKING SURE THAT EVERYTHING WAS THERE. THAT'S, YOU KNOW, AND MAKING SURE IT WASN'T FALLING APART AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO, UM, SO NO, THE, THE LONG ANSWER AND SHORT ANSWER IS NO, WE DON'T HAVE PROFESSIONAL PHOTOS, BUT WE CERTAINLY COULD PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER FOR AN EXHIBITION IF THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE COMMITTEE WANTED TO DO. OKAY, THANKS. I, I ACTUALLY THINK THAT WOULD BE A FABULOUS IDEA BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE, UM, THAT I RUN INTO AND THEY SAY, OH, YOU'RE ON THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? WHAT HAVE YOU DONE? AND I, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY'RE JUST OUR OWN AMATEUR PHOTOGRAPHS, I DON'T KNOW, BUT GET THEM PRINTED AND HAVE THEM READY FOR DISPLAY. I THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WE COULD ALLOCATE A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY TO DO. WE COULD DEFINITELY DO SOMETHING WITH, YOU KNOW, ANY OF THE PHOTOS THAT WE TOOK. IT'D BE GREAT TO HAVE LIKE THE IMAGES OF THE ARCHES GOING UP, YOU KNOW, THE BEFORE AND AFTER AND THE RIBBON CUTTING AND ALL OF THAT. UM, WHAT'S THE OTHER POINT? THE OTHER POINT I WAS GOING TO MAKE ESCAPES ME ENTIRELY. THE WEBSITE, THE CITY'S WEBSITE HAS A PUBLIC ART PAGE, SO YOU CAN ALWAYS SEND PEOPLE THERE. I FIND THAT THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL FOR PEOPLE WHEN THEY ASK WHERE WE'RE AT. AND IT KIND OF GIVES A TIMELINE. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, DAVID, YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB OF LIKE MAKING SURE IT'S PRETTY CURRENT. YEAH, I MAINTAIN THE WEBSITE FOR THE CITY. I ACTUALLY, I HELP OUT THE WHOLE PLANNING DIVISION, WITH THE WEBSITE, UH, STUFF. BUT, UM, YEAH, I TRIED TO, ESPECIALLY WITH DAVID BEST PIECE, UH, YOU KNOW, I TRIED TO DOCUMENT PROGRESS IMAGES AND INSTALLATION IMAGES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO WE HAVE FILES OF THAT. UM, PROFESSIONAL GRADE IMAGES MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT OF A GENEROUS TERM, BUT YOU KNOW, IT, IT IS CURRENT. AND I DID, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A GREAT ARCHIVE OF DOCUMENTS THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH AND DIFFERENT ITERATIONS OF PROJECTS. THE KENNELWORTH PROJECT WHEN IT WAS JUST WHEN WE WERE IN THE DREAMING PHASE INTO THE REALITY PHASE, ALL THAT'S DOCUMENTED. SO YEAH, THE, THE WEBSITE'S A GOOD PLACE FOR NOW TO SEND PEOPLE. UM, IT'S PRETTY CURRENT AND THAT'S WHERE ALL OF OUR OPPORTUNITIES LIVE AND, YOU KNOW, PROJECT ARCHIVE AND STUFF LIKE THAT. RIGHT. UM, MELISSA, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP, [02:10:01] BUT RIGHT. I DO MENTION THAT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING I THINK THIS WOULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO SHOWCASE IT AND HAVE THAT SYNERGY BETWEEN US AND THE ART CENTER, YOU KNOW? YEAH. THE ART CENTER ALSO HAS A PRETTY ROBUST MAILING LIST. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR NUMBERS ARE, BUT THEY WOULD, YOU KNOW, THEY ANNOUNCE ALL OF THEIR SHOWS WELL IN ADVANCE. AND SO IT COULD BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO HIGHLIGHT SOME ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND UM, YOU KNOW, EVEN SORT OF SAY, YOU KNOW, NOTIFY THE PUBLIC OF WHAT'S COMING UP SOON AND WHAT TO EXPECT IN THE SPRING OR, YOU KNOW, THINK OF IT AS A YEAH. AN OUTGOING COMMUNICATIONS THAT WE DON'T HAVE. YEAH, IT'S LIKE AN OUTREACH THROUGH THE ART CENTER. NO, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. YEAH. ON, ON THAT SAME TOPIC, IF YOU DON'T MIND ME JUST PLUGGING TOO IS THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT KAREN AND I, BEFORE SHE LEFT, I I WAS REALLY PUSHING FOR, WAS TRYING TO CREATE A CLOSER RELATIONSHIP AND SYNERGY BETWEEN THE ART CENTER AND, AND THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE AND PROGRAM. UM, WE HAVE DIFFERENT STRENGTHS AND WE HAVE DIFFERENT ASSETS AND WE HAVE ACCESS TO DIFFERENT NETWORKS. AND THOUGH OUR MISSIONS OVERLAP ALMOST, YOU KNOW, TO A T AND SO IT ALMOST, IT'S, IT'S A HUGE MISSED OPPORTUNITY TO NOT BE WORKING CLOSER TOGETHER ON THINGS. AND, YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE FUNDING IS LOOKS DIFFERENT AND JUST BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF RED TAPE AND IT TAKES US TIME TO DO A LOT OF THINGS, DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T FIND THOSE STRENGTHS IN ONE ANOTHER. AND I'M, I I JUST WANNA SAY I'M A HUGE ADVOCATE FOR THAT. AND IT MIGHT, WE MIGHT BE PLEASANTLY SURPRISED WITH USING THE ART CENTER AS MORE OF A, AS A STREAMLINED BODY TO GETTING THINGS DONE A LITTLE BIT QUICKER. IT MIGHT BE ONE LESS LAYER TO WORK THROUGH. AND IF THEY HAVE THE ENERGY AND THE TIME AND THE WILLINGNESS AND THE INTEREST, THAT MIGHT BE A, A GREAT WAY TO GET THINGS IN MOTION. SO I'M JUST MAKING A PLUG FOR THAT BECAUSE KAREN WAS REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT AND EVERYBODY I TALKED TO AT THE ART CENTER WAS REALLY EXCITED TOO. AND LISA DEMETRIS, WHO IS THE, UH, CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD, THE ART CENTER, WOULD LIKE TO COME AND PRESENT TO US AS A BODY. SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANNA TABLE THAT FOR THE NEXT MEETING OR THE ONE AFTER. I COULD SEE WHAT HER AVAILABILITY IS. UM, AND MAYBE YOU AND I CAN JUST TALK ABOUT THAT SEPARATELY. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, I DID, I REMEMBER TALKING A LITTLE BIT AT THE, THERE WAS AN EVENT AT THE ART CENTER AND I WAS ABLE TO SPEAK TO A COUPLE OF BOARD MEMBERS AND THEY MENTIONED THE SHOWING. AND I THOUGHT OF THE ASSETS WE DO HAVE OF THE ARTISTS RENDERINGS EARLY ON. UM, AND THEN THE MAQUETTES THAT ARTISTS HAVE MADE OVER TIME, IF THEY WOULD LOAN THEM TO US TO SHARE AT THE ART CENTER, THEY'RE REALLY, SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN REALLY INTERESTING STANDALONE PIECES ON, YOU KNOW, WE, OLEG JUST BROUGHT THEM TO OUR LAST MEETING AND IT WAS REALLY PHENOMENAL TO SEE THE QUALITY OF THE MARQUETTES. I REMEMBER HOLDING MARQUETTES FOR FINE BALANCE TESTING LIGHTING SEVERAL YEARS AGO, AND JUST HOW THEY WERE VERY INTERESTING. I THINK THAT HAVING THAT SIDE BY SIDE OF THE PROCESS, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE ARTIST ENVISIONED, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT PROCESS LOOKED LIKE, AND THEN AN END RESULT. AND I'VE ALSO SEEN SO MANY IMAGES OF THE RIVER ARCH AND MAKING, UM, MAKING PROGRESS THAT I FEEL LIKE THOSE IMAGES EXIST. I THINK WE NEED TO ASK LOCAL PHOTOGRAPHERS IF PERHAPS WE COULD USE THEM IN THIS OPPORTUNITY. IT MIGHT BE A GREAT WAY FOR THEM TO BE FEATURED IN THE ART CENTER AS WELL AND LEND US THEIR IMAGES. 'CAUSE I'VE SEEN SO MANY BEAUTIFUL ONES, AND EVEN THE PRESSED DEMOCRAT AND THE ARGUS TOOK GOOD PHOTOS FOR THE NEWSPAPER THAT I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF CONTENT. IT'S JUST WRANGLING IT. UM, CHRISTOPHER? [COMMITTEE COMMENT] YEAH. UM, A FEW MORE THINGS ON COMMITTEE COMMENT. UM, WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, WE, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE DID THIS, UM, CHAIR ABERCROMBIE AND I MET WITH RACHEL PRU AND BROOKE NELSON OF THE CURATE ART GROUP WHO WERE INTERESTED, WHO WANTED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE POTENTIAL OF, UM, DOING A PUBLIC MURAL IN PETALUMA, REALLY BASED, UM, ON THE WORK OF, UM, THE, ESSENTIALLY THE ART STUDENTS AT CASA GRANDE HIGH SCHOOL. AND WE, UM, I THINK THAT THE, WE TALKED ABOUT THE DIFFERENT, THE SCARCITY OF PUBLIC WALLS AND ALSO THE DIFFICULTY IN SORT OF GETTING THROUGH THE, THE WHOLE PUBLIC PROCESS. AND I THINK WE CAME DOWN TO IT, UM, THAT MAYBE EVEN SUGGESTING THAT, THAT THEY START AT, UM, AT, AT CASA GRANDE, START WITH A CONVERSATION THERE. AND, UM, BUT THEY SAID THEY, THEY'D GO BACK, UM, THINK ABOUT IT. UH, AND THEY'RE VERY EXCITED FOR THE POSSIBILITY. UM, AND THEY'D COME BACK TO US AT A LATER DATE. [02:15:01] I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S A FULL CHARACTERIZATION. YOU CAN ADD MORE. YES. UM, THEY'RE FORM, THEY'RE FORMER CASA GRANDE STUDENTS THEMSELVES. UM, AND THEY ALSO HAVE A FINE ARTS BUSINESS WHERE THEY SUPPORT ART. LIKE THEY HELP BRING TOGETHER ARTISTS AND PARTNERS TO SECURE ART AND PRIVATE SPACES. AND SO THEY WEREN'T COMPLETELY RELIANT ON A PUBLIC SPACE. ALSO THEY SAID THEY MAY, YOU KNOW, COME UP WITH A PROJECT AND PROCURE A PRIVATE SPACE, WHICH IS KIND OF BEYOND OUR PURVIEW AND KIND OF EXCITING. UM, BUT WE DID PUSH THEM TO, OR SUGGEST THAT THEY LOCALIZE IT AT THIS POINT. THEY ALSO SAID IT COULD BE A RECURRING THING. THEY JUST WANTED TO GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY AND HELP SUPPORT STUDENT ARTISTS. SO IT WAS A REALLY BEAUTIFUL AND INSPIRING CONVERSATION. THEY'RE EAGER AND HAVE A LOT OF ENERGY FOR THIS. SO THAT WAS A NICE STARTING STEP. AND THE OTHER THING IS, I WANTED TO MENTION WAS THE, UM, IT WAS REJECTED BY ONE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER UNDERSTANDING THE PLIGHT THAT WE'RE IN WITH SOME OF THESE, UM, WITH THE POTENTIAL SITE IMPROVEMENTS AND THE WHOLE NOTION OF, OF DOING PLACEMAKING AS WE PLACE ART IN THE COMMUNITY. THAT, UM, THAT WHEN WE DO ALEC, THAT WHEN WE DO COMMISSION A PIECE AND WE EXPECT TO REQUEST A, UM, APPROVAL OF THAT EXPENDITURE FROM THE PUBLIC ART FUND FROM THE CITY COUNCIL, THAT WE ACTUALLY DO SOME RESEARCH UPFRONT AND IMAGINE WHAT SITE IMPROVEMENTS COULD BE AND MAKE A REQUEST FROM CITY COUNCIL FOR THOSE FUNDS. SO THEY WOULD BE LOOKING AT THE PROJECT, AND THIS IS MAYBE MORE IMPORTANT THAN I'M MAKING IT OUT TO BE, BUT FOR FUTURE PROJECTS THAT WE REALLY THINK ABOUT IT UPFRONT, WHAT COULD IT BE? AND THEN AT THAT POINT, THE CITY HAS, IF THEY APPROVE IT, THEN IF THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVES IT, THEN THE CITY DEPARTMENTS ARE SORT OF ON BOARD FROM THE VERY BEGINNING KNOWING THAT THERE'S GUTS THAT SOMETHING'S GOING TO HAPPEN HERE. AND IT SEEMED TO MAKE SENSE TO ME, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT I HAVEN'T THOUGHT THROUGH. BUT I THINK IT'S WORTH ALL OF US SORT OF CONSIDERING CONVEY. AND I, I, WELL, THE ONLY PART ABOUT IT I THOUGHT OF IS LIKE, HEY, THERE COULD BE FURTHER COMMISSIONS ON A, ON A PARTICULAR PROJECT THAT COULD BE LIKE A DESIGN COMPETITION FOR, FOR AMONG DESIGNERS FOR A PARTICULAR SITE OR FOR A PARTICULAR BACKDROP OR FOR A PARTICULAR LIGHTING INSTALLATION THAT COMPLEMENT SOMETHING. SO, UM, ONE THING COULD LEAD TO ANOTHER TO MAKE THESE PROJECTS EVEN MORE COMPLEX THAN THEY ARE. UM, I'M BEING FACETIOUS THERE. WHATEVER. WELL, I THINK YOU BRING UP A REALLY GOOD POINT. YEAH. WOULD IT BE WORTH DISCUSSING AT A LATER DATE BECAUSE IT'S GETTING LATE, BUT INVITING SOMEONE FROM PARKS OTHER THAN HANNAH, OF COURSE, BUT YOU KNOW, ANOTHER, BECAUSE YOU'RE PART OF THIS BODY, BUT WE KNOW, BUT ANOTHER PERSON WHO IS IN THE CITY OR WITH THE CITY OR PLANNING OR SOMETHING, WHEN WE HAVE A SITE THAT REQUIRES IMPROVEMENTS, LANDSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS, UPGRADES, THAT KIND OF THING, INVITE THEM TO BE PART OF THE ART SELECTION COMMITTEE SO THAT THEY HAVE A LITTLE MORE SKIN IN THE GAME AND ARE INTERESTED IN THE SITE FROM THE GET GO. NOT JUST NOTIFYING THEM AHEAD OF TIME, BUT ACTUALLY INVITING THEM TO TAKE PART SOMEHOW. I'M NOT SURE HOW WE CAN INVOLVE THEM IN SELECTION PROCESS BASED ON THE ORDINANCE. UM, BUT IT MIGHT BE NICE TO HAVE WITH THE REPORT WHEN IT COMES IN WITH THE, WITH THE ARTIST. LIKE IF WE ARE INTERESTED IN AN ARTIST'S WORK AND THEY'RE MAKING A SITE SPECIFIC PROJECT THAT FROM THE FRONT END IT'S REVIEWED A LITTLE MORE HEAVILY ON AS FAR AS WHAT THEY'RE RELYING ON FOR POWER, WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE. LIKE WE COULD PRIORITIZE THAT. I THINK THAT WOULD HELP. BUT I THINK TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY, WE GENERALLY DO THAT. IT'S JUST NOT WORKED, UM, AS SMOOTHLY AS WE'D LIKE. I HATE TO DEFEAT IT 'CAUSE I WOULD LOVE THAT, BUT I, WE ARE THE BODY AS APPOINTED AND IT'S HARD TO GIVE POWER TO SOMEBODY ELSE. I THINK THERE IS SOMETHING TO BE SAID ABOUT DIVERSIFYING SELECTION PANELS AND THEY'RE, IT'S NOT ONLY GREAT FOR NETWORKING AND GETTING PEOPLE INVOLVED IN STUFF, BUT SOMETIMES PEOPLE DO HAVE CONNECTIONS AND IT, I, THE FIRST TIME I WORKED WITH MJ AND JOSH WAS IN SANTA ROSA, AND WE ACTUALLY HAD THE PART OF THE FUNDING CAME FROM THE PARK, UH, EXCUSE ME, FROM THE PARKING DIVISION BECAUSE IT WAS ON A PARKING GARAGE, UH, BEHIND RUSSIAN RIVER BREWING. AND, UM, KIM NADO, WHO HAS NOW RETIRED, SHE SERVED ON THE, UH, SELECTION PANEL. AND IT WAS KIND OF NICE BECAUSE SHE KNEW WHAT REQUIREMENTS WERE NEEDED FROM PARKING AND [02:20:01] SAYING, OH, YOU CAN'T PAINT IN THAT CORNER BECAUSE THAT CONFUSES DRIVERS WHERE THEY CAN PARK WHAT'S A HANDICAP SPOT? THINGS LIKE SIGNAGE AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO IT, TO YOUR POINT, ANN, IT WAS INFORMATIVE TO HAVE AN INSIDER TO BE LIKE, OH, I, I WOULD'VE HAD TO SEND A FLURRY OF EMAILS, WAIT TWO MONTHS TO GET AN ANSWER BACK JUST TO SAY, OH, I CAN'T PAINT IN THAT CORNER OF THE GARAGE. SO, YOU KNOW, I, THERE IS AN ADVANTAGE TO THAT. YEAH. AND ACTUALLY I TAKE IT BACK, WE DID HAVE A GUEST PANEL OF TWO JUDGES FOR THE BLACK LIVES MATTER MURALIST SUGGESTION. UM, THAT WAS WITH STEVE HUSS, WHERE WE DECIDED THAT OUR BODY WAS NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF THE OBJECTIVES OF THE GOAL NECESSARILY OF, OF THE MURAL. AND SO WE ASKED TWO, TWO MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY OF COLOR TO STEP FORWARD AND THEY'D BE INVOLVED IN THE SELECTION COMMITTEE. THEY WERE THE SELECTION COMMITTEE. AND I THINK THERE WERE THREE ORIGINALLY AND THEN ONE STEP BACK, AND WE HAD TWO. SO I THINK IN CIRCUMSTANCES, MAYBE WE COULD DO SOMETHING WHERE WE ADD SOMEBODY, BUT WE DEFINITELY NEED MORE INFORMATION TO MAKE THE PROCESS LIKE MORE EQUITABLE TO THE ARTIST AND TO STAFF TIME AND OURSELVES. AND WE NEED SOMEONE TO SHEPHERD IT THROUGH ON THAT END, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF US FEEDING THEM THESE REQUESTS, WE NEED SOMEONE WHO'S ALREADY ON BOARD WITH THE PROJECT. 'CAUSE THEY'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, WELL THAT'S, I KNOW, BUT WE NEED, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU'RE HITTING ALL THESE, YOU, YOU SEE ALL THESE, THIS GRIDLOCK, RIGHT? SO IF YOU WERE TO INVITE SOMEONE ELSE INTO A MEETING, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU COULD THINK ABOUT WHO WOULD BE A BUR A GOOD PERSON TO TAP INTO TO AVOID SOME OF THESE PROBLEMS THAT WE ENCOUNTER OVER AND OVER AGAIN WITH PERMITS AND UPGRADES TO THE LOT OR WHATEVER. AND I ALSO THINK CHRIS'S IDEA OF JUST PRESENTING WHAT THIS SPACE COULD BE UPFRONT FOR TO CITY COUNCIL WHEN WE REQUEST TO USE THE MONEY AND JUST KIND OF BREAKING OUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, LANDSCAPING COULD LOOK LIKE THIS AND GETTING THEM LOOKING AT THE WHOLE PICTURE. SO THEN, YEAH, ENGINEERS ARE TAPPED IN THE, WHOEVER PERMIT PEOPLE ARE TAPPED IN AND THE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU'RE HAVING TO INVOLVE ALL THESE BRANCHES OF THIS CITY THAT'S TRYING TO FUNCTION AND LIKE NO ONE TALKS TO EACH OTHER. IT'S JUST LIKE A RUN AROUND YOU. THEY ASKED THE PERSON THE SAME QUESTION THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, WELL, AND THERE'S NO STREAMLINE TO GET STUFF DONE. DAVID IS THAT FOR US IN A LOT OF WAYS, YOU KNOW, DAVID IS THERE ON PLANNING, TRYING TO GET EVERYTHING STREAMLINED. SO I, I REALLY DON'T WANNA DISCOUNT HIS CONTRIBUTION OF TRYING TO, NO, I'M NOT COUNTING WHAT DAVID'S DOING. I'M JUST SAYING HOW THE CITY FUNCTIONS AS A WHOLE IS, THERE'S A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE PLAIN TELEPHONE AND SOMETHING'S CONSTANTLY BEING MISSED AND THERE'S JUST SO MANY DEPARTMENTS THAT ONE PROJECT HAS TO MAKE IT THROUGH TO, TO BE FINISHED. AND THERE ARE DECISION MAKERS. I MEAN, THERE ARE PEOPLE SAYING, YES, WE CAN SPEND FOR THIS PERMIT, OR, YOU KNOW, YES, WE CAN SPEND FOR THE BASE ROCK OUT ON EIGHT STREET POCKET PARK, LIKE THEY'RE ALL OF US VOLUNTEERING AND, YOU KNOW, COMMUNICATING BACK AND FORTH. BUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE MAKING THE THE SPENDING DECISIONS MIGHT NOT REACH THE, THE REQUEST. I MEAN, THE REQUEST NOT, MIGHT NOT REACH THAT. I ALSO KNOW IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP, UH, PRIOR TO MOST OF US BEING HERE, BUT, UM, THERE WAS A CONVERSATION FOR A WHILE OF HAVING A COUNCIL MEMBER ON THIS COMMITTEE TOO, AND I FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD RAISE THINGS UP THE FLAG A LITTLE BIT QUICKER SOMETIMES. UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE SOLICIT THAT, BUT I THINK IT COULD BE BROUGHT BACK UP TO THE SURFACE AGAIN. UM, YOU KNOW, TO TALK ABOUT, NOT THAT, YOU KNOW, ADDING COMMITTEE MEMBERS IS A THING THAT YOU CAN DO. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT PROCESS LOOKS LIKE, BUT WE CAN SEEK OUT THE INFORMATION. YEAH. WE HAVE A COUNCIL PERSON ON PARKS AND REC AND I, I FEEL LIKE IT DOES HELP GET CERTAIN POINTS ACROSS LIKE WHEN EVERY MEETING WHERE LIKE THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE STAFF FOR PARKS AND YOU KNOW, WELL ANOTHER ONE GOT HIRED, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S HAVING, AND THEN THEY CAN RELAY BACK TO EVERYONE ELSE AT CITY COUNCIL OF LIKE, OH, THIS IS WHAT THE ISSUES ARE HAPPENING IN ARTS. AND LIKE, THEY NEED A LITTLE MORE CONTINUITY OR JUST LIKE A, EVEN JUST A PLAN OF LIKE, OKAY, LET'S DO THIS, THIS, THIS AND THIS, AND THEN FINISHED. I DO THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY VALUABLE. I MEAN, IT, IT USED TO BE THAT SOMEBODY FROM, WAS IT PLANNING HAD A SPOT ON PUBLIC ART FOR A LITTLE BIT. THAT WAS HOW I ACTUALLY, I WAS RECREATION MUSIC AND PARKS COMMITTEE AT THAT TIME AND THAT'S HOW I CAME ON. BUT I, I THINK SINCE WE PAY FOR, WE PAY FOR STAFF PERSON, WE PAY FOR OUR THINGS. WE ARE ONE OF THE ONLY FUNDED BODIES. IT MAKES SENSE SINCE WE OFTEN ARE REQUESTING [02:25:01] FINAL APPROVAL FROM COUNCIL THAT THEY WOULD BE INVOLVED IN THE DISCUSSION EARLY ON. AND IT MAY NOT NEED TO BE EVERY MEETING 'CAUSE I KNOW THEY HAVE SO MANY COMMITMENTS, BUT MAYBE SUGGESTING A QUARTERLY PRESENCE, YOU KNOW, AT OUR MEETINGS, ESPECIALLY LIKE THE BUDGET ONES WOULD BE REALLY IMPORTANT. AND THAT WAY WE AT LEAST KNOW ONE MEETING WE'LL HAVE SOMEBODY'S EAR. BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IS HOPEFULLY COUNCIL'S WATCHING, BUT A LOT OF TIMES IT'S CHRIS WRITING LETTERS. WE'RE CHECKING IN WITH PEOPLE INDIVIDUALLY A LOT ABOUT THINGS LIKE JUST BY VIRTUE, LIKE A COUNCIL MEMBER MIGHT SAY, LIKE, I, WHERE, WHAT'S THE STATUS UPDATE ON THIS? AND BECAUSE I LIVE ACROSS THE STREET FROM ONE, I CAN JUST SAY LIKE, THIS IS WHAT'S GOING ON. BUT IT DEFINITELY, IT'S NOT AN EFFICIENT OR EFFECTIVE WAY TO RELY ON, TO RELY ON YOUR VOLUNTEERS. BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE. UM, IN ORDER TO BE MORE EFFICIENT WITH THIS CONVERSATION, I SUGGEST WE JUST ASK DAVID, LIKE, WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION OR REQUEST THAT WE WOULD LIKE MAYBE SOME SORT OF INVOLVEMENT FROM SOMEONE ON THE FRONT END OF PROJECTS AND POTENTIALLY AT LIKE QUARTERLY OR ALL MEETINGS. UM, JUST BECAUSE I DO THINK WE'RE A UNIQUE BODY IN THAT WE'RE SELF-FUNDED AND THAT WE ACTUALLY ALLOCATE FUNDS WITHIN A CERTAIN BUDGET THAT IT SEEMS LIKE THERE SHOULD BE A LAYER OF INVOLVEMENT BEYOND, UM, JUST VOLUNTEERS. I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. UM, AND SO I THINK, UH, CHRISTOPHER, YOU MIGHT BE THE ONLY ONE WHO COULD ANSWER. UM, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW, DO WE KNOW WHY WHEN THIS COMMITTEE WAS SET UP, IT DIDN'T HAVE A CITY COUNCIL LIAISON BECAUSE ALL THE OTHER COMMITTEES AND COMMISSIONS DO HAVE A CITY COUNCIL LIAISON. I COULD SPEAK TO PART OF THAT. I MEAN, WE WERE MUCH MORE INFORMAL WHEN WE HAD NO MONEY. AND THEN OUR FIRST BIG BUDGET PROJECT WAS FINE BALANCE AND MEETINGS WERE AT THE ART CENTER PRIOR TO THAT, OR IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS, BUT NOT TELEVISED. AND I THINK AT THAT POINT THINGS SWITCHED OVER TO BEING MUCH MORE MONITORED OR AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC FOR THE SAKE OF TRANSPARENCY. UM, YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT RELATES TO WHY THE NO. WHY IT WAS SET UP WITH OR WITHOUT A COUNCIL MEMBER. DAVID, DO YOU KNOW THAT? NO. YEAH. IT'S, IT'S BEEN EXPLAINED A COUPLE TIMES OVER THE YEARS AND I'VE, I CAN'T REMEMBER, JUST CAN'T REMEMBER. BUT THERE IS A, THERE WAS A REASON AND I THOUGHT IT WAS ACTUALLY 'CAUSE WE WERE A COMMITTEE AND NOT A COMMISSION. UM, I THOUGHT THE COMMISSIONS ALL HAD, UM, UH, CITY COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVES ON THAT. BUT I GUESS YOU COULD CHECK THAT. YEAH, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A FORMAL DESIGNATION BETWEEN A COMMITTEE AND A COMMISSION. UM, THE RULES AS IT'S WRITTEN FOR THE CITY ARE FOR CCBS CITIES COMMISSIONS AND BOARDS. SO I IMAGINE IT'S KIND OF LIKE A FLAT POLICY KIND OF THING, BUT THERE MAY BE A DISTINCTION AND MAYBE I DO NEED TO LOOK INTO THAT. THANK YOU. MY THINKING WAS JUST THAT WHEN THERE WASN'T A BUDGET AT ALL, IT DIDN'T SEEM RELEVANT. MM-HMM. TO GIVE IT THAT KIND OF PRIORITY. AND THEN ONCE WHEN WE STARTED TO ACTUALLY HAVE FUNDS COME IN FROM DEVELOPMENT, THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN IT BECAME MORE OF A, A JOB. IT WAS BEFORE, BUT IT WAS MAINLY LIKE KIND OF SAYING WHAT WE DID WANT. UM, I ALSO HAD ONE OTHER THING I WANTED TO SHARE TOO. I, I DON'T WANT TO DRAG OUT THIS TOPIC TOO LONG, BUT, UM, IN THE GENERAL PLAN, UM, UPDATE, WHICH WE'RE GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW, 2025, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF RECOMMENDATIONS IN THERE THAT ARE PRETTY BOLD. UM, AND NOT ALL GENERAL PLAN THINGS GET ADOPTED. THEY'RE MORE LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE REACHING FOR THOSE GOALS, RIGHT? UM, ONE OF THEM THAT I, I WAS, I WAS PART OF THE REVIEW, WE HAD AN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT, YOU KNOW, PRO PROVIDE HOW WE NAVIGATE THAT. AND THERE WAS AN ARTS AND CULTURE SECTION AND I THINK I, YOU KNOW, THEY CAME AND TALKED TO US, THE CULTURAL PLANNING GROUP, THEY CAME AND PRESENTED AND THEY TOOK THAT INFORMATION AND THEY'RE GONNA PUT THAT IN THE FINAL DOCUMENT THAT'S GONNA BE HOPEFULLY ADOPTED AND RATIFIED AND ALL THAT, UH, GOOD STUFF. BUT ONE OF THEM I FEEL LIKE I'VE BROUGHT UP BEFORE IS THAT THEY RECOMMENDED CHANGING THIS BODY, UM, TO AN ART, UH, UH, UH, ARTS AND CULTURE COUNCIL. AND WITH THAT COMES OTHER THINGS, IT EXPANDS THE PURVIEW. UM, IT EXPANDS WHO COULD BE ON THIS, WHAT, YOU KNOW, KINDS OF PROJECTS WE DO. BUT THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WORTH PUSHING FOR IS SAYING IF IF IT WE'RE TAKING ON MORE, WE'RE UTILIZING A THE SAME BUDGET FOR MORE, THERE MIGHT NEED TO BE COUNCIL ATTENTION ON THERE AND THAT SHOULD BE RATIFIED. IF IT'S ALL GETTING SWEPT IN TOGETHER, THAT SHOULD BE A HIGH PRIORITY. AND I THINK THERE'S OTHER THINGS IN THERE TOO, LIKE THEY'RE RECOMMENDING 2% FOR PUBLIC ART AND, UM, [02:30:01] YOU KNOW, EXPANDING THE BREADTH OF WHAT THE IZO SAYS THAT WE CAN USE PUBLIC ART FUNDS FOR. UM, AND JUST BROADENING HOW WE THINK ABOUT PUBLIC ART IN THIS, IN OUR, YOU KNOW, IN OUR MODERN WORLD. BECAUSE A LOT OF THE CODE THAT WE HAVE WRITTEN IS ALREADY OUT OF DATE AND IT'S ONLY 20 LESS THAN 20 YEARS OLD. SO, UM, ANYWAY, JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT, THAT THERE, THERE IS SOME EXCITING STUFF ON THE HORIZON. SO DAVID, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, ARE YOU CONTRIBUTING TO THAT VERBIAGE AND THE CHANGES OR, I HELPED REVIEW SOME OF THEIR, THEIR DOCUMENTATION AND STUFF, BUT IT'S EVERYTHING THAT THIS BODY HAS LOOKED AT. MM-HMM. , UM, YOU KNOW, I HELPED THEM GENERATE SOME GOALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AS IT'S WRITTEN IN THE PUBLIC ART MASTER PLAN AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND I GAVE THEM SOME INFORMATION TO PUT TOGETHER THEIR EXISTING CONDITIONS REPORT OF LIKE, WHAT ARE OUR CULTURAL AND ARTISTIC ASSETS THAT ARE IN PUBLIC ART AND WHAT DOES THIS BODY DO AND HOW HAS THE PROGRAM OPERATED OVER THE YEARS? SO IT'S BEEN MORE CONTEXTUAL THAN ANYTHING. IT WASN'T REALLY SAYING LIKE, I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS HOW WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD. THAT'S, THAT WAS MOSTLY FOR YOU GUYS TO PROVIDE THAT FEEDBACK AND THAT'S WHY THEY CAME AND PRESENTED AND SOLICITED FEEDBACK. YEAH, I CAN KEEP IT SOMEWHAT QUICK. UM, SO, UH, FOR THE MARY FULLER MCCHESNEY PROJECT, I'M WORKING WITH PUBLIC WORKS TO DO A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS. UM, MOSTLY THEY WERE MOSTLY WORRIED ABOUT THE ROUNDABOUT INSTALLATION. SO, UM, PUBLIC WORKS HAS ALREADY GOT ME IN TOUCH WITH A CONCRETE, UH, CONTRACTOR WHO COULD DESIGN AND ENGINEER THE PEDESTAL THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT. THIS IS FOR, THEY PREFERRED THE SONOMA MOUNTAIN PARKWAY ROUNDABOUT OVER THE, UM, OTHER ONE. WE WERE LOOKING AT THE ELI, UM, THE ELI ROAD ONE MCDOWELL, UH, BECAUSE OF THE SIZE. UM, SO THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE PUT ART IN A ROUNDABOUT. SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS AN ANALYSIS DONE. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH. UM, I DID PUT TOGETHER A SAMPLE DOCUMENT FOR THEM AND, UM, I NEED TO ACTUALLY, ONCE I GATHER SOME PRELIMINARY INFORMATION FROM THEM AND FROM THE CONCRETE VENDOR, I WANNA MEET WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEE AGAIN, UM, TO TALK ABOUT CURATION AND HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE BALANCE BOTH THOSE THINGS, RIGHT? THE THINGS THAT PUBLIC WORKS WANTS TO SEE FOR SAFETY AND OBVIOUSLY ANY OTHER REQUIREMENTS AND NOT DAMAGING UNDERGROUND UTILITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT ALSO MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, TRUE TO THE VISION OF WHAT THIS WHOLE PROJECT WAS ABOUT. UM, SO I HAVE, UH, WHERE IS IT? UM, THIS IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT I'VE BEEN USING FOR, UM, TO HELP LIKE, FACILITATE THE CONVERSATION WITH THE CONCRETE VENDOR. OOPS, THOSE ARE MY NOTES. UM, IT IS RIGHT HERE. SO IT WAS, I USED SOME OF THE DIMENSIONS THAT DENNIS PROVIDED AND TALKING ABOUT HOW WE'RE EXPECTING TO SEE THOSE LIKE RENDERED INTO PLACE. UM, I KNOW THESE AREN'T EXACT CURATE CURATORIAL NOTES OR ANYTHING, BUT THIS IS ESSENTIALLY JUST TO COMMUNICATE TO THEM WHAT THE WORK THAT WE'RE INTENDING FOR IT TO BE DONE. UM, THESE ARE THE LOCATIONS FOR OAK HILL. AND AGAIN, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF DIFFERENT POSITIONING FOR THE, THE FINAL POSITIONING FOR THE ARTWORK. SO THIS IS SOMETHING I WANNA WORK WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON, BUT JUST SO YOU HAVE REFERENCE TO THE DOCUMENT I'M USING TO HELP FACILITATE THAT CONVERSATION A LITTLE BIT. UM, COULD YOU CLARIFY, COULD YOU CLARIFY WHERE THE LAST IMAGE WAS OF THE THREE PIECES IT LOOKED LIKE IT MIGHT BE LOCATION? YEAH, SO THIS WAS THE SENIOR CENTER LOCATION, UM, THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. AND UM, I ACTUALLY, UH, GOT IN TOUCH WITH PARKS AND REC ABOUT THAT AND THEY'RE PUTTING IN A NEW GAZEBO AT THE SENIOR CENTER AND, UH, THEY HAVEN'T PUT TOGETHER WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE YET, BUT, UM, OR HOW MANY, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE TIMELINE IS. BUT I, UH, WANTED TO SEE IF THERE WAS LIKE A HARMONY IN THAT AND MAYBE THE ARTWORK COULD BE EAS MORE EASILY ACCESSIBLE AND VIEWED IF IT WAS FROM THE GAZEBO. BUT, UM, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED TO GATHER BEFORE WE CAN TALK ABOUT FINAL PLACEMENT. I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THIS SPOT IS, THIS MIGHT BE EXACTLY WHERE THE GAZEBO GOES AND WE CAN'T USE THIS AT ALL, BUT I ALSO JUST PULLED TOGETHER A VARIETY OF THE WORKS TOO. I, UM, AGAIN, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT POTENTIALLY PLACING A FEW OF 'EM AND HAVING SOME ALTERNATES. UM, I JUST USE THEM FOR, TO, TO PLACE INTO THE RENDERING, SO. OKAY. AND WITHIN THAT CONSIDERATION, I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT THE, WHERE THE SIGHTING IS FOR THE SKATE PARK. MM-HMM. AS WELL. AND 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT THAT FUNDING FOR THE FIRST PHASE WAS JUST SECURED AND IT'S GONNA BE NEAR TO THIS. YEAH. AND, AND IF THEY'RE POURING CONCRETE FOR THE GAZEBO, MAYBE THEY CAN POUR CONCRETE FOR THE ART AT THE SAME TIME. EXCELLENT POINT. UM, I DON'T THINK I HAVE MUCH MORE TO SHARE LIKE, OH, THAT I ALSO AM GONNA BE MEETING WITH OUR, SO THE CITY HAS A FAIRLY NEW COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT [02:35:01] DIRECTOR, BRIAN O, WHO'S BEEN WORKING TO UNIFY, NO ONE'S FILLED THAT POSITION FOR A LONG TIME, BUT IT'S TO UNIFY THE BUILDING, DE THE BUILDING DIVISION, THE PLANNING DIVISION, AND THE HOUSING DIVISIONS ALL UNDER ONE DEPARTMENT TO COME TOGETHER. I WANT TO TALK TO HIM ABOUT THE LIBRARY PIECES THAT THIS BODY SELECTED, BECAUSE THE RENO, WE CAN'T MOVE THE SELECTED WORKS INTO THE LIBRARY BECAUSE THEY'RE GETTING READY FOR THEIR RENOVATION. SO I WANTED TO FLOAT THE IDEA WITH HIM ABOUT HAVING THEM ON DISPLAY INTERIM HERE AT CITY HALL, SO AT LEAST THEY'LL BE ABLE TO BE ENJOYED, UM, UNTIL THE LIBRARY'S READY TO ACCEPT THEM. SO, UM, THAT CONVERSATION'S BREWING. UM, SO WANTED TO MAKE SURE I TOUCHED ON THAT. UM, LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE I HAVE. I ALSO, I WASN'T GONNA TALK ABOUT EVERY PROJECT ON THE MATRIX, BUT I DID WANT TO COME BACK TO THE SMALL ARTWORK COMMISSION LOCATIONS THAT WERE PRIORITIZED BACK IN SEPTEMBER. UM, I'M STILL WORKING THROUGH THE LIST TO HEAR BACK ABOUT ELIGIBILITY, BUT I DID GET IN TOUCH WITH CALTRANS ABOUT THE 1 0 1 OVER CROSS, UH, LOCATION, AND THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION TO COMB THROUGH THERE. UM, THEY SENT ME PROBABLY CLOSE TO 80 PAGES OF STUFF ABOUT D DIFFERENT AVENUES OF HOW YOU CAN GET PUBLIC ART PROJECTS THROUGH THEIR PROCESS, WHAT THE PERMITTING LOOKS LIKE, THE RESPONSIBILITIES, THE LIABILITY. IT'S A TON OF STUFF, BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT A THAT DEPENDING ON WHAT SCALE OF PROJECT, IT WOULD BE PRETTY COSTLY. I, I HAD IMAGINE, UM, MU MORE THAN THE SMALL ARTWORKS COMMISSION BUDGET AND SCALE, BUT I DO WANT TO CIRCLE BACK WITH THEM WITH THE REP THAT I'VE BEEN EMAILING WITH TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WOULD A SMALLER SCALE PROJECT DO? UH, CAN WE PUT SOME LIMITATIONS ON THE MATERIALS AND WHERE WE ATTACH ART OR ALTER THE SPACE TO MAKE IT MORE COST EFFECTIVE. MAYBE WE CAN GET BY WITH NOT NEEDING AS MUCH LIABILITY OR PERMITTING. UM, MAYBE WE DON'T NEED TO CLOSE THE FREEWAY. YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A HUGE EXPENSE. SO, UM, THAT CONVERSATION'S STILL GOING. UM, I ALSO, ON A SIMILAR NOTE, I MENTIONED THIS TO CHRISTOPHER AND MELISSA, BUT I WAS APPROACHED BY THIS, UH, THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT HERE AT THE CITY, UM, BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO TALK ABOUT BRINGING PUBLIC ART TO, UM, HOPPER AND CALL FIELD THAT'S OVER BY THE MARY ISAAC CENTER. AND THEY'VE, THEY HAVE RELATIVELY NEW WALL SPACES, UM, THAT GO ALONG HOPPER. AND LET ME ACTUALLY JUST PULL UP A MAP. I THINK I HAVE ONE. UM, AND UH, ESSENTIALLY THEY WANTED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE PROCESS AND WHAT THE COST WOULD BE AND HOW TO GET PEOPLE INVOLVED AND SELECTION AND ALL THAT. AND SO WE MET AND UH, THEY WERE REALLY EXCITED. SO THE LOCATION WOULD BE RIGHT ALONG HERE. UM, AND THIS IS A, A PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY, I BELIEVE. AND SO I HAVE THESE IMAGES OF WHERE THESE WALLS ARE, AND I BELIEVE IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST SEGMENT THAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE 180 FEET OF, OF WALL SPACE, UM, THAT THEY'RE, THEY WANT TO BRING PUBLIC ART HERE. UM, IT'S A REALLY FANTASTIC OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS AN AREA OF PETALUMA THAT WE DON'T HAVE PUBLIC ART. OH. UM, I THINK A OH YEAH, . AND, UM, ESSENTIALLY THEY, WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE AND THEY SAID, WELL, MAYBE IF IT IS THAT MANY MURALISTS AND WE WOULD WANT TO MAKE SOMETHING MORE LIKE THE BLACK LIVES MATTER MURAL, WHERE A LOT OF DIFFERENT YOUNG EMERGING ARTISTS COULD PARTICIPATE IN IT. UM, I TALKED ABOUT WHAT THAT WOULD TAKE AND WHAT KIND OF FUNDING THAT, THAT WOULD NEED TO BE SECURED. AND THEY WERE INTERESTED IN TRYING TO SECURE FUNDING. AND I SAID, WELL, WE CAN MAKE A REALLY GREAT PROJECT THAT WOULD ADDRESS THAT SCALE IF THIS WAS SOMETHING IN LIEU OF A SMALL ARTWORK COMMISSION AND ADDITIONAL FUNDING FROM HOUSING TO BEAUTIFY THIS SPACE FOR UNSHELTERED PEOPLES AND, YOU KNOW, UM, JUST, YOU KNOW, WELCOME, WELCOME THIS PART OF PETALUMA A LITTLE BIT MORE TO, TO THE REST OF THE CITY. AND EVERYBODY WAS PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT IT. AND, UM, I DON'T HAVE A TIMELINE, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I COMMUNICATED THAT THIS COULD BE A POTENTIAL AND I, I, I WAS ABSOLUTELY STILL LOOKING TO THE, THE LIST THAT WE'VE PUT TOGETHER AND PRIORITIZED. I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY THAT WE CAN'T DO BOTH, UM, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS ON THE TABLE, THAT IT FITS WITHIN SOME OF THE PARAMETERS OF THE SMALL ARTWORKS COMMISSION THAT WE, YOU KNOW, SET OUT TO DO. SO, UM, I THINK I'M GONNA STOP THERE UNLESS ANYBODY ELSE HAD SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT CERTAIN PROJECTS, I'M HAPPY TO, TO ADDRESS 'EM. CHERYL, I JUST HAD A QUESTION ON THE SMART PARCEL, THE PUBLIC ART AT THREE 30 EAST D UM, YEAH, JUST IF YOU HAD ANY OTHER INFO. I DON'T, UM, OKAY. I ONLY HAD A INTRODUCTORY CONVERSATION WITH EDDIE CUMMINGS, UM, WITH SMART AND THAT'S, UH, ABOUT IT. I TALKED ABOUT HOW WE COULD PARTNER UP AND CREATE A LICENSE AGREEMENT AND SOLICIT ART AND, AND, UM, [02:40:01] THERE'S ART ALREADY CREATED THAT WOULD FIT THAT SPACE VERY WELL, BUT IT TAKES THEIR INITIATIVE A LITTLE BIT. AND SO I, I GAVE THEM THE PIECES FOR SUCCESS, BUT, UM, ASIDE FROM KNOCKING ON THEIR DOOR EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE AND SAYING, HEY, HEY, IS THERE ANY INTEREST IN DOING THIS? THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A LOT I CAN DO AT THE MOMENT, SO I DON'T HAVE ANY UPDATES. OKAY. SO BASICALLY WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR, UM, EDDIE TO GET BACK TO US AND TELL US IT'S A GO. YEAH. IF SMART WANTS TO PURSUE THE PROJECT. YEAH. OKAY. I JUST THOUGHT IT'D BE A GREAT PLACE FOR ARTISTS IN OUR COMMUNITY WHO'VE ALREADY CREATED ART AND THEN IT COULD GO ON DISPLAY LIKE EVERY 90 DAYS OR I DON'T KNOW WHAT WOULD BE REASONABLE EVERY SIX MONTHS TO HAVE THIS ROTATING SHOW BECAUSE THERE IS SO MUCH TRAFFIC THERE. ANYWAY, I JUST WANTED TO ASK 'CAUSE IT WAS ON THE LIST. OH, THANKS FOR ASKING. AGREE. CHRIS'S BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR YEARS. OH, I REMEMBER. YEAH. . NOTHING NEW TO REPORT THOUGH. I DID WANNA ASK YOU IF THE LAB CON MONEY IS EXPECTED TO COME IN AT A CERTAIN POINT OR IF WE'VE HAD ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDS. YEAH, THE LAB CON MONEY IS SUPPOSED TO COME IN BEFORE THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR FOR SURE. UM, I THINK THAT'S WHEN THEIR GRANT IS SUPPOSED TO BE ALL FIGURED OUT AND ALL THAT. SO THEY WERE HASTY TO GET TO THE BUILDING PERMIT SEC LIKE, UM, COMMITMENTS AND FIGURE OUT WHAT ALL THOSE WERE. UM, SO THEY DO HAVE A PROJECT VALUATION AND ALL THAT FIGURED OUT. THEY JUST HAVEN'T PULLED THE TRIGGER, UM, YET TO RESUBMIT AND ALL THAT. SO I HAVE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH GREG, WHO'S THE PROJECT PLANNER, UH, WITH THE CITY AND HE SAID THAT THIS SPRING OR EARLIER WE WOULD EXPECT TO SEE THAT MONEY. AND THEN ALSO I THINK THE SILK MILL FUNDS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE COMING IN TOO, BUT THAT'S A MUCH SMALLER AMOUNT. THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THAT. ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? SORRY. OKAY. AND SO, UM, LET'S SEE. I THINK THAT WE ARE DONE. WE'LL CLOSE THIS ITEM. WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON IT FROM OUR EAGER GUESTS. UM, AND SO WE CAN ADJOURN THE MEETING WITH THAT. I ADJOURN THE, WE ARE AN ADJOURNING THE MEETING AT 8:42 PM. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.