* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:04] GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. WE'RE GONNA GET STARTED WITH OUR DECEMBER 19TH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. THANK YOU EVERYBODY WHO'S HERE IN ATTENDANCE, AND WE'RE GONNA GET STARTED BY CALLING THE ROLL IT. ASK AEL, PLEASE GIVE US A ROLL CALL. COMMISSIONER BAUER HERE. COMMISSIONER MOSES. HERE. COMMISSIONER MCCURLEY. ABSENT. COMMISSIONER KUSON. HERE. COMMISSIONER WIMAN HERE. VICE MAYOR CATER THOMPSON. HERE. CHAIR HOOPER. HERE. WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON ITEMS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THAT ARE WITHIN THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION, AND THAT ARE NOT LISTED ON THE CURRENT AGENDA. PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO UP TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON. DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF PERSONS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION. TIME WILL BE ALLOCATED IN EQUAL SHARES TOTALING NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES. UH, I'LL BE OPENING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. I'LL ASK SPEAKERS, PLEASE BRING YOUR CARDS UP TO ARIEL IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY. I SUSPECT MANY OF YOU ARE HERE FOR A SPECIFIC ITEM, BUT JUST IN CASE, UH, MAY I ASK, HAVE WE, HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY PUBLIC COMMENT OR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT PRIOR TO THE MEETING? WE RECEIVED NO PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION OF THIS MEETING. UNDERSTOOD NOT SEEING ANY GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AND NOT HAVING ANY OR SLIPS IN MY HAND. I WILL NOW CLOSE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE WILL NOW PIVOT TO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS OUR PRESENTATIONS OF WHICH WE HAVE NO PRESENTATIONS. NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES AND THERE WILL BE NO APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE MINUTES TO APPROVE TONIGHT, LIKE TO KEEP EVERYONE GUESSING. [PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION] BUT WE WILL MOVE TO PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION, WHICH WE DO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND A MATTER FOR PUBLIC CONSIDERATION. SO WITH THAT IN MIND, WE'RE MOVING TO MEETING, MEETING ITEM ONE OR A PUBLIC HEARING. IT IS A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY OF PETALUMA PLANNING COMMISSION TO CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING TO REVIEW AN ADDENDUM TO A CERTIFIED FINAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT AND CONSIDER A RESOLUTION RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW AND SMART CODE WARRANT REQUESTS FOR PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OF THE SPIRIT LIVING MIXED USE PROJECT LOCATED AT 500 HOPPER STREET. UH, I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT WE HAD A, THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF A PUBLIC HEARING THAT WE WERE HAVING ON JULY 25TH. WE LAST HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE OVERALL PROPOSED PROJECT AND ITS DESIGN. UH, I'D ALSO LIKE TO NOTE JUST STRUCTURALLY HOW THIS IS GOING TO GO AFTER WE GET THROUGH PRESENTATIONS AND AFTER WE, WE HAVE KIND OF QUICK QUESTIONS. WE WILL THEN MOVE BACK TO, UM, PUBLIC COMMENT. SO FOLKS WHO ARE HERE TO GIVE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE ITEM. THAT'LL BE YOUR TIME. AND WE'LL MAKE SURE QUESTIONS IS QUESTIONS SO THAT YOU'RE NOT HERE TILL VERY LATE BEFORE GIVING A PUBLIC COMMENT. I CAN IMAGINE SOME OF YOU PROBABLY HAVE WORK TOMORROW, KIDS, ET CETERA. UH, AFTER THAT WE'LL MOVE INTO DISCUSSION WHERE WE REALLY HAVE TWO MAIN ITEMS TO DISCUSS TONIGHT. ONE BEING THE SPAR OR THE SITE SITE PLAN, ESSENTIALLY FOR THE PROJECT. THE OTHER BEING THE ADDENDUM FOR THE EIR. SO WITH THAT IN MIND, I WILL GO BACK TO THE NOTED AGENDA AND ANNOUNCE THAT THE ITEM IS A HEARING. SO IT DOES NOT REQUIRE, UH, THE COMMISSION TO DISCLOSE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS. SO WITH THAT, I WILL OPEN THIS AS A PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK THAT OUR STAFF, EXCUSE ME, CHAIR, IT DOES REQUIRE EX PARTE DISCLOSURE. WELL, THESE NOTES DIFFER AND I FEEL SILLY NOW. ALRIGHT. I WOULD ASK IF ANYBODY HAS EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS TO DISCLOSE. OKAY. WE DO NOT HAVE EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS. SO NOW WE'LL MOVE TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND I WOULD INVITE EMMANUEL, OUR PRI PRINCIPAL PLANNER TO COME AND PRESENT. THANK YOU, UH, CHAIR HOOPER, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. MY NAME'S EMMANUEL SSU. UH, I'D LIKE TO ALSO THANK THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE HERE THIS EVENING AND HAVE SHOWN INTEREST IN THIS PROJECT. I AM SHARING THE WRONG SCREEN. LET ME TRY THAT ONE MORE TIME. [00:05:05] OKAY. THERE WE GO. SO, THIS, UH, EVENING'S ITEM AS, UH, THE CHAIR MENTIONED IS, UH, THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING ON SPIRIT LIVING PROPOSAL TO DEVELOP, UH, LOT NUMBER FIVE, UH, TO THE, UH, RIVERFRONT, UH, MIXED USE, UH, DEVELOPMENT. UH, THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING WAS, UH, ON, IN JULY OF THIS YEAR. THAT ITEM WAS CONTINUED. UH, AFTER THE COMMISSION HEARD PUBLIC TESTIMONY DELIBERATED THE MERITS OF THE PROJECT, UH, AND, UH, DIRECTED THE APPLICANT TO, UH, ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMMISSION'S CONCERNS, UM, THAT WERE, UH, INDICATED AT THAT MEETING. WE, UH, SENT OUT A NEW NOTICE OF THIS EVENING'S HEARING. UH, IT WAS RENO AS THE FIRST HEARING WAS NOT CONTINUED TO A DATE CERTAIN. SO, AS YOU'RE ALL AWARE, THE PROJECT SITE IS IN THE CENTER OF THE RIVERFRONT, UM, MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. UM, RIVERFRONT ENCOMPASSES 40, APPROXIMATELY 40 ACRES, INCLUDING THE RIVERFRONT PARK ALONG THE, UH, THE RIVER HERE. UM, AND LOT FIVE IS ON THE, UH, WEST SIDE OF THE CENTRAL GREEN. THIS IS THE CENTRAL GREEN IN THIS AREA HERE. LOT SIX, WHICH THE APPLICANT IS ALSO IN. CONTRACT TO PURCHASE IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE CENTRAL GREEN. UH, THE PROJECT IS DESIGNATED THE PROJECT SITE, INCLUDING ALL OF THE RIVERFRONT AREAS, DESIGNATED MIXED USE IN THE GENERAL PLAN LAND USE MAP. AND IT IS, UH, PART OF THE SMART CODE AREA, WHICH HAS TRANSECT ZONING WHERE, UM, TRANSECT FROM T ONE TO T SIX, UH, ARE, UH, A, UH, LIST OF ZONING DESIGNATIONS, WHICH GETS MORE DENSE AS THE, UH, AS YOU GO THROUGH THE TRANSECT. THE T SIX ZONE IS THE URBAN CORE, AND THAT'S WHAT THIS PROPERTY IS ZONED AS WELL AS YOU CAN SEE. LOT NUMBER SIX OVER ON THE EAST SIDE OF, UH, THE CENTRAL GREEN. THE, UH, TOWN HOMES, WHICH, UH, ARE APPROVED FOR THIS AREA ARE ZONED T FOUR. THE COURTYARD MARRIOTT HOTEL, WHICH WAS CONSTRUCTED IN THIS AREA IS T FIVE. THE OFFICE SITE, UH, IS ALSO IN T FIVE. THAT'S A VACANT PROPERTY. UM, AND THEN THE, UH, NORTH BANK SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ARE IN THE T FOUR ZONING DISTRICT. SO THE T SIX ZONE, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS SLIDE, IS, UH, INTENDED TO BE THE HIGHEST DENSITY IN HEIGHT WITH THE GREATEST VARIETY OF USES. UM, THE CHARACTER OF, OF BUILDINGS ARE TO BE MEDIUM TO HIGH DENSITY MIXED USE BUILDINGS, UM, AND THERE TO BE FOUR STORIES. UM, TYPICALLY THE, UH, THE SMART CODE ALLOWS THREE TO SIX STORIES IN THE T SIX ZONE AS PART OF THE RIVERFRONT, UM, MASTER PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED BACK IN 2014 BY THE CITY COUNCIL. UM, THE CITY COUNCIL, UH, APPROVED A TENTATIVE MAP AND APPROVED THE ZONE CHANGES TO THE ZONING THAT YOU JUST SAW IN THE PREVIOUS EXHIBIT. UM, AND THIS MASTER PLAN ENVISIONED, UM, TOWNHOUSES IN THIS LOCATION 50 HAVE BEEN APPROVED INCLUDING, UH, LIVE WORK UNITS, UH, IN THIS LOCATION, UH, HOTEL, WHICH HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED AN OFFICE BUILDING, UH, WHICH HAS NOT BEEN CONSTRUCTED. AND WE, UH, THERE'S NO PENDING APPLICATION. AND THEN SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES ON SMALL LOTS IN, UH, THIS LOCATION AROUND THE CENTRAL GREEN. THE PLAN ENVISIONED ON THESE TWO PARCELS, A TOTAL OF 30,000 SQUARE FEET OF GROUND FLOOR RETAIL SPACE, COMMERCIAL SPACE, UH, WITH APARTMENTS ON THE UPPER FLOORS LOT. NUMBER FIVE IS ROUGHLY 40% OF THE TOTAL SIZE OF LOTS, FIVE AND SIX. UH, AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE, UM, WHEN WE PREPARED THE ENVIRONMENTAL ANALYSIS, THE ADDENDUM TO THE EIR, WE ASSUMED 40, UH, APARTMENTS OUT OF THE A HUNDRED ON LOT FIVE MM-HMM, WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE MASTER PLAN, THE TENTATIVE SUBDIVISION MAP. UH, FOR THIS AREA, THE CITY COUNCIL CERTIFIED AN ENVIRONMENTAL [00:10:01] IMPACT REPORT THAT LOOKED AT ALL OF THE IMPACT AREAS ASSOCIATED WITH DEVELOPMENT, UH, AND IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS PLAN. UM, INCLUDED IN THE PLAN WAS A, UH, SET OF, UH, PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS. UH, THIS EXHIBIT, UH, SHOWS A, UH, PEDESTRIAN EASEMENT, UH, REFERRED TO AS A BREEZEWAY IN THE STAFF REPORT, UH, ACROSS LOT FIVE, IT CONNECTS WITH A, UH, CROSSWALK THAT GOES THROUGH THE CENTRAL GREEN ACROSS THE OTHER SIDE OF CAULFIELD LANE. AND THEN THERE'S A CONNECTING, UH, BREEZEWAY THAT WILL BE CONSTRUCTED, UH, ON THE EASEMENT ON LOT NUMBER SIX. AND THAT CONNECTS TO THE CIRCULATION NETWORK, PEDESTRIAN NETWORK THROUGH THE TOWNHOUSES, AND THEN TO THE, UH, CLASS ONE PATH THAT GOES AROUND THE ENTIRE SITE. THIS JUST SHOWS A, A, A PORTION OF THE SITE. I'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED A LITTLE BIT OF THE, ABOUT THE PROJECT BACKGROUND, UM, BUT I WANNA GET INTO, UH, JUST SOME OF THE, THE MORE DATES AND, AND APPROVALS THAT WERE GRANTED. SO, AS I MENTIONED IN 2014, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE, AND CERTIFIED THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT FOR THE PROJECT. THEY, UH, ADOPTED THE ZONING THAT'S CURRENTLY IN PLACE. UH, THEY APPROVED A VESTING TENTATIVE SUBDIVISION MAP, UH, AND THE PRELIMINARY MASTER PLAN FOR THIS AREA. AFTER THE SUBDIVISION MAP, UH, TENTATIVE SUBDIVISION MAP WAS APPROVED, UH, THERE WERE SUBSEQUENT FINAL MAPS THAT WERE APPROVED IN PHASES. UH, THE PROJECT SITE IS ALLOT FIVE OF THE FIRST FINAL MAP FOR, UH, FOR THE PROJECT. THE NEXT APPROVAL WAS A SPAR R APPROVAL THAT WAS GRANTED, UH, BY THE CITY IN 2017. AND ALL SUBSEQUENT APPROVALS HAVE BEEN FOR SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, IN THAT THE LAND USES HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED AND APPROVED, UH, WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE MASTER PLAN. THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW IS COMPLETED FOR ALL OF THESE USES, UM, AND ONLY TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE'S DEVIATIONS FROM WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED. UH, WILL WE LOOK AT, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS? UH, IN, UH, 2017, UH, PHASE ONE, UH, OF THE NORTH BANK PROJECT WAS APPROVED, AND THAT'S, UH, THIS AREA HERE. UM, SOME OF THESE HOMES BECAME THE FIRST HOMES CONSTRUCTED AT NORTH BANK, AND THEY'RE THE MODEL HOMES. UH, THESE ARE ACTUALLY THE LAST HOME SITES TO BE CON TO BE DEVELOPED, THESE ONES. AND THEN OVER ON THIS SIDE OF CAULFIELD LANE, UH, IN JANUARY OF 2018, PHASES TWO AND THREE, UH, WERE APPROVED. AGAIN, THIS IS THE SPAR. THE SITE PLAN ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW FOR THE HOMES IN THESE AREAS WERE APPROVED. AND THEN IN 2022, UH, THE CITY APPROVED A TENTATIVE MAP FOR, UH, CREATING THE LOTS FOR THESE SUB, UM, THESE TOWNHOUSES AND APPROVING THE SPAR FOR THE TOWNHOUSES. IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT IN DEVELOPING THE MASTER PLAN FOR RIVERFRONT, THE SOUTHERN CONNECTION OVER THE PETALUMA RIVER WAS ALWAYS HAD BEEN, BEEN A PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN. LONG BEEN A PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN. AND THE CAULFIELD LANE EXTENSION THROUGH THE PROJECT IS ALIGNED WITH THE FUTURE ALIGNMENT OF THE, UH, OF THE BRIDGE. THAT BRIDGE, AS I NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT, IS CURRENTLY IN THE DESIGN PROCESS. UH, AFTER THE DESIGN IS COMPLETED, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PURSUANT TO SQL WILL BE, UH, COMPLETED. UH, AND THEN AFTER THAT, CONSTRUCTION MAY START, UM, ASSUMING ALL THE FINANCING IS IN PLACE. SO THE 35.7 ACRE MIXED USE SITE AT RIVERFRONT, UH, HAS 19 ACRES OF RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, AND OFFICE SPACE. 13 ACRES OF THAT IS, IS RIGHT OF WAY. UH, 3.7 IS, UH, CIVIC, UH, SPACES OF THE 273 UNITS, UH, RESIDENTIAL UNITS. A HUNDRED APARTMENTS WERE APPROVED ON LOTS FIVE AND SIX, AND, UH, 30,000 WERE, UH, ENVISIONED FOR, UM, 30,000 SQUARE FEET OF COM GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL, AND ENVISIONED FOR, UH, LOTS FIVE AND SIX UP TO 60,000 SQUARE FOOT OF OFFICE AND A HOTEL. UH, AND THEN ALSO A LOCATION FOR A FUTURE COMMUNITY BOATHOUSE, WHICH WOULD BE IN THE SOUTH EAST CORNER OF THE PROJECT, UH, NEAR THE RIVER. UH, THE PROJECT ALSO INCLUDED, UH, EVA ACCESS, UM, AND THE OFFSITE RIVERFRONT PARK. UH, AS I PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, [00:15:01] UM, PART OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT LOOKED AT ALL OF THESE ISSUE AREAS. UM, AND, UH, THE, UH, EIR INCLUDES MITIGATION MEASURES, UH, WHICH ARE RECOMMENDED AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL AND WHICH WOULD APPLY AS APPLICABLE TO, TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF, UH, OF THE HO OF THE, UH, SUBJECT PROPOSAL BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION. SO, UM, THIS IS ACTUALLY THE FOURTH PUBLIC MEETING ON THIS PROJECT. UH, THE FIRST TWO WERE STUDY SESSIONS. UH, AT THE FIRST TWO STUDY SESSIONS, THE, UH, APPLICANT, UM, PRESENTED CONCEPTS FOR DEVELOPMENT OF BOTH LOTS, FIVE AND SIX. UM, THEY THEN SUBMITTED A FORMAL APPLICATION FOR DEVELOPMENT OF LOTS FIVE AND SIX. UH, SUBSEQUENTLY THEY WITHDREW THAT APPLICATION, SUBMITTED A NEW APPLICATION JUST FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF LOT FIVE. UH, AND THAT IS WHAT IS BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING. UM, SINCE THEN, MORE RECENTLY AT THE, UH, UM, END OF OCTOBER, BEGINNING OF NOVEMBER OF THIS YEAR, THEY SUBMITTED A NEW APPLICATION FOR LOT SIX. UH, WE'RE IN THE EARLY REVIEW STAGES OF THAT, UH, OF THAT APPLICATION. UM, AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THAT IS, UH, GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL WORK, LIVE UNITS, AND THEN I BELIEVE IT'S 56 UNITS APARTMENTS ON THE UPPER FLOORS. UH, SO IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED FROM WHAT THEY HAD, UH, PREVIOUSLY ENVISIONED. UH, ANY CASE AT THE, UH, THIS SAYS JUNE 23. IT'S ACTUALLY JULY, 2023 MEETING, UH, WHICH WAS THE FIRST, UH, HEARING ON THIS PROJECT. UM, THE, UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, INCLUDED, UH, APPROXIMATELY 3,400 SQUARE FEET OF GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL, PLUS ABOUT 5,000 SQUARE FEET OF SPACE ASSOCIATED WITH THE RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY. UM, AND THEN THERE WERE 36 MEMORY CARE UNITS ON THE SECOND FLOOR, AND THEN 70 UNITS, 35 PER FLOOR ON THE THIRD AND FOURTH FLOOR. THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD, UH, CONCERNS WITH, UH, LINGERING CONCERNS WITH THE AMOUNT OF, UH, UH, RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY SUPPORT AMENITIES ON THE GROUND FLOOR. UH, AND ONE OF THE PRIMARY INSTRUCTIONS OR DIRECTIONS GIVEN TO THE APPLICANT WAS TO, AGAIN, REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF SPACE DEVOTED TO THE AMENITIES FOR THE CARE FACILITY AND TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF SPACE THAT IS AVAILABLE FOR, UH, FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC. OOPS. SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE KEY REVISIONS THAT THE APPLICANT MADE, UH, TO THE PLANS IN RESPONSE TO INPUT PROVIDED AT THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING IN JULY. UM, AND, UH, I'LL GET, UH, AS WE GO THROUGH THE PLANS, I'LL, I'LL POINT THEM OUT. UM, AND SO, UM, I, I THINK REALLY IT'S, IT PRIMARILY THE CHANGES WERE ON THE GROUND FLOOR, UH, THE LANDSCAPING, AND THEN THE, UH, THE SKIN OF THE BUILDING, THE EXTERIOR ARCHITECTURE AROUND THE BUILDING. SO ON THE GROUND FLOOR, UM, IN THE JULY, UH, PROPOSAL, THE AREAS SHOWN IN GREEN HERE WERE DEVOTED TO THE RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY. UM, THE AREAS IN, UH, THE PURPLE AND IN LAVENDER, UH, WERE, UH, OPEN TO, UH, TO THE PUBLIC. UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION STILL WAS CONCERNED WITH THE AMOUNT OF STREET FRONT THAT WAS DEVOTED TO, UM, SPACES THAT WERE NOT OPEN TO THE, TO THE PUBLIC. UH, SO THE APPLICANT, UH, REVISED THE PROPOSAL TO REALLY BRING SOME OF THESE SPACES TOWARDS THE BACK OF THE, OF THE BUILDING AND REALLY MAKE IT KIND OF A TWO-SIDED TO TWO FRONTS TO THE BUILDING. SO MOST OF THEIR RESIDENTS, WHEN THEY ARRIVE, WILL COME, UH, ALONG THE, THE DRIVEWAY, THE ALLEY IN THE BACK, THERE'S A PORTES SHARE IN THIS LOCATION. THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO UNLOAD, UH, OUTSIDE OF THE WEATHER AND GO DIRECTLY INTO, INTO THE COMMON AREAS OF THE FACILITY. THE BISTRO AREA, WHICH WAS, UH, PREVIOUSLY RESTRICTED TO RESIDENTS OF THE FACILITY, IS NOW OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. UH, THEY ALSO DEEPENED COMMERCIAL SPACE NUMBER THREE OVER HERE, ADDED SOME SQUARE FOOTAGE OVER HERE. UM, THE KITCHEN, WHICH WAS DEVOTED TO, UM, TO THE BISTRO, UH, IS NOW PART OF, UH, AREAS THAT WILL BE DEVOTED TO, TO PUBLIC USE. UM, THIS DID RESULT IN THE LOSS OF SOME PARKING SPACES. THEY HAD 24 TUCK UNDER SPACES IN THE PRE OR PRIOR PROPOSAL. IN THE CURRENT PROPOSAL, THERE ARE 17. UH, SO THEIR, UH, REQUEST FOR A WARRANT FOR, UH, PARKING WENT FROM, UH, DEFICIT OF ONE PARKING SPACE TO A DEFICIT OF, UH, EIGHT [00:20:01] PARKING SPACES. UH, AS, UH, NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT, THERE ARE, I BELIEVE, 36 EXCESS PARKING SPACES, UH, IN THE AREAS NORTH OF THE PROJECT SITE, NOT TOWARDS THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS IN THE, IN THE NORTH BANK, UH, SUBDIVISION, BUT ALONG, UH, THE ROADWAY THAT IS IN FRONT OF THE BALL FIELDS, THE PLAY FIELDS, UH, AT THE, UH, PARKING LOT, UH, BEHIND THE COURTYARD MARRIOTT. UH, SOME OF THOSE SPACES ARE ACTUALLY DEEDED RESTRICTED, UM, HAVE AN PUBLIC EASEMENT ON THEM THAT ALLOW PUBLIC USE. AND THEN THE SPACES, UH, ALONG THE, UH, EAST SIDE OF THE, OF THE HOTELS, THAT'S WHERE THE EXCESS PARKING IS AVAILABLE. SO THESE WERE THE CHANGES TO THE, TO THE FIRST FLOOR. UM, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW FOR THE PROJECT, UH, LOOKED AT THE NUMBER OF TRIPS THAT WOULD BE GENERATED. WE PREPARED A, AN ADDENDUM TO THE EIR TO LOOK AT THE AREAS THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN WHAT WAS ANALYZED IN THE EIR FOR THE MASTER PLAN AND WHAT IS PROPOSED, UM, UH, ON THE PROJECT SITE. SO IN THE, UH, 20, UH, 14, UH, EIR, THIS IS 2012. IT WAS CERTIFIED IN 2014. UM, THERE WAS, AS I SAID, 30,000 SQUARE FEET OF, UH, COMMERCIAL SPACE. UM, THIS IS COMBINED LOTS, FIVE AND SIX AND A HUNDRED DWELLING UNITS. THE PROPOSAL THAT WAS SUBMITTED WHEN THE ADDENDUM TO THE EIR WAS PREPARED, UH, INCLUDED 118 BEDS, 20 WORK LIVE UNITS IN 120 DWELLING UNITS. THE PROJECT'S ACTUALLY BEEN SCALED BACK EVEN FURTHER FROM THIS. SO THIS, UH, REPRESENTS A, A WORST CASE SCENARIO. UM, BUT EVEN UNDER THIS SCENARIO, THE NET DIFFERENCE IN DAILY TRIPS, UH, TO AND FROM THE SITE IS NEGATIVE, UH, 944 TRIPS. SO THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT DROP, UH, IN THE NUMBER OF VEHICLE TRIPS ASSOCIATED WITH, WITH THE PROJECT. UM, THIS DOES SHOW AN INCREASE IN, UM, THE PEAK HOUR TRIPS, UM, OF, UH, OF ONE, UM, THAT AGAIN, ASSUMES DEVELOPMENT OF 120 DWELLING UNITS. UH, THE MOST RECENT SUBMITTAL FROM THE APPLICANT SHOWS 56 DWELLING UNITS ON LOT SIX. SO, UH, THIS 544 DAILY TRIPS, UH, WOULD BE CUT, UH, IN, IN LESS THAN HALF. UH, SO THERE'D BE EVEN A LARGER DROP IN THE NUMBER OF VEHICLE TRIPS. UM, THIS LOOKS AT JUST LOT FIVE, UM, DEVELOPMENT COMPARED TO, UH, THE PRIOR, UH, SUBMITTAL. SO THIS IS WHERE WE LOOKED AT 40 DWELLING UNITS INSTEAD OF A HUNDRED, SINCE IT'S APPROXIMATELY 40% OF THE OVERALL LOT SIZE OF BOTH, LOTS, FIVE AND SIX. UM, AND SO THE DEVELOPMENT ON THIS SITE RESULTS IN A NET DECREASE OF, UH, WHEN JUST LOOKING AT LOT FIVE OF, UH, 263 VEHICLE TRIPS PER DAY. SO FOR ORIENTATION, UM, YOU KNOW, LABELED, UH, THE, THE USES AROUND AND THE, UH, AROUND THE PROJECT SITE. SO LOT FIVE IS RIGHT HERE. THE PROJECT SITE. THIS IS THE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION OR BREEZEWAY THROUGH THE BUILDING. UH, THIS IS THE ALLEY ON THE WEST SIDE, THE PORTICO SHARE, WHICH HAS A ROOFTOP DECK FEATURE FOR THE SECOND STORY, UH, RESIDENTS OF THE, UH, MEMORY CARE FACILITY. THE PLAY FIELDS ARE TO THE WEST, UH, IN THIS AREA TOT LOT IN THIS AREA. UM, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, UH, SOUTH OF THE PROJECT, UM, AND SOUTHEAST OF THE PROJECT. UM, AND THEN THE CENTRAL GREEN, THE EAST SIDE IS THE STREET LOT. SIX IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CENTRAL GREEN, AND THE HOTEL IS TO THE NORTH OR TO THE LEFT ON THIS EXHIBIT. SO THIS IS THE SECOND STORY DECK THAT IS OVER THE PORTICO SHARE. THIS WOULD PROVIDE, UH, AN AMENITY FOR, UH, THE RESIDENTS OF THE, UH, MEMORY CARE FACILITY. UM, PROVIDES, UH, UH, SEEDING AREA UNDER A SHADE STRUCTURE. UM, SOME TABLES AND SEEDING, UH, ALONG WITH, UH, PLANTERS AND, AND, UH, BOXED TREES. UH, THE APPLICANT DOES NOT INCLUDE IN THEIR PRELIMINARY LANDSCAPE PLAN, UH, ANY OF THE SPECIES OF ANY OF THE PLANTS THAT ARE PROPOSED. UH, WE DO HAVE A RECOMMENDED CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT, UH, ALL THE PLANT SPECIES BE SUBJECT TO REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY, UH, BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. [00:25:03] UH, THIS IS THE, UH, ROOFTOP LOUNGE AND, UH, TERRACE, UH, ON AT THE VERY TOP OF THE BUILDING. THIS WOULD BE, UH, FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THE, UH, THIRD AND FOURTH, UH, STORY OF THE PROJECT, UH, SIMILAR TO THE, TO THE AMENITY OVER THE PORTES SHARE. UH, IT'D HAVE A SHADE STRUCTURE WITH SEATING UNDERNEATH IT, TABLES, UH, CHAIRS AND, UH, UH, BOXED, UH, TREES AND, UH, SHRUBS. UH, THIS AREA IS A, UH, INDOOR LOUNGE. UH, AND THEN WHEN WE LOOK AT THE FLOOR PLANS, YOU'LL SEE THIS IS WHERE THE CIRCULATION IS, STAIRS AND ELEVATORS. SO THIS, UH, INDICATES, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE AMENITIES, PUBLIC AMENITIES AROUND THE PROJECT SITE. UH, THERE ARE CLASS ONE TRAILS THAT GO AROUND THE ENTIRE RIVERFRONT PROJECT. UM, THERE'S THE PLAY FIELDS, THE CENTRAL GREEN, AND THE, UH, THE RIVERFRONT PARK. THIS IS A, UH, RENDERING, UH, PERSPECTIVE FROM KIND OF ACROSS FROM THE LOBBY OF THE COURTYARD MARRIOTT. SO LOOKING SOUTH, UH, THE CENTRAL GREEN IS TO THE LEFT. UH, THE BALL FIELDS, PLAY FIELDS WOULD BE OFF THE SCREEN TO THE RIGHT BEHIND THE BUILDING. UH, THE PROPOSED ARCHITECTURE NOW INCLUDES, UH, VERTICAL CORRUGATED METAL SIDING, UH, WOOD PANELING. UH, THE WINDOWS GO, UH, ARE, ARE TALLER THAN THEY WERE IN THE PREVIOUS, UH, SUBMITTAL. UM, THEY HAVE INCLUDED, UH, THESE METAL AWNINGS, UH, CANOPIES AT THE GROUND FLOOR. UM, HERE'S A PERSPECTIVE FROM THE OPPOSITE END OF THE BUILDING. UH, THE CENTRAL GREEN IS NOW ON THE RIGHT. UH, THAT'S THE COURTYARD MARRIOTT, UH, OFF TO THE, TO THE FAR RIGHT OF THE BUILDING. UH, THIS AREA IS COVERED, BUT IT IS OPEN DINING AREA. UH, IT'S ABOUT 460 OR SO SQUARE FEET. UH, NEXT TO THE RESTAURANT, IT CONNECTS TO THE RESTAURANT, WHICH IS ENCLOSED. UM, UH, OUTDOOR SEATING IS PROVIDED ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF THE BUILDING, UH, ALONG WITH, UH, BICYCLE RACKS, UH, FOR SHORT-TERM BIKE PARKING. UH, AND THIS IS A KIND OF A CLOSER GROUND VIEW PERSPECTIVE. UH, THIS IS THE ENTRANCE TO THE BREEZEWAY. THIS IS THAT PEDESTRIAN EASEMENT CONNECTION THROUGH THE BUILDING. UH, THE EASEMENT IS, UH, 10 FEET WIDE, UH, BUT THE BREEZEWAY IS ACTUALLY PROBABLY CLOSER TO 14 OR SO FEET WIDE. UH, AND THEN EVEN WIDER AT BOTH, UH, AT EITHER ENDS. UM, LANDSCAPING IS PROVIDED IN PLANTER BOXES, UH, AND POTTED PLANTS. UH, STREET TREES HAVE BEEN APPROVED AS PART OF THE RIVERFRONT MASTER PLAN, UH, DEVELOPMENT. UH, THESE ARE, UH, CHINESE MUSTACHE TREES THAT WERE APPROVED AND WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE INSTALLED BY THE APPLICANT. THE, THERE'S NOT A ELEVATION OF THE REAR OF THE BUILDING. UH, OR LET ME REPHRASE THAT. THERE'S A, THERE'S AN ELEVATION THAT'S LIKE THIS FLAT BUILDING ELEVATION, BUT THERE'S NOT A PERSPECTIVE DRAWING THAT WAS SUBMITTED. SO, UH, TO KIND OF HELP VISUALIZE, UH, WHAT, HOW, KIND OF THE PROPORTIONS OF THE PORTICO SHARE, WHICH IS SHOWN HERE. UH, I'VE SHOWN THIS NORTH BUILDING ELEVATION. SO THE CENTRAL GREEN IS OFF TO THE LEFT. THE PARK IS OFF TO THE RIGHT. THIS IS LOOKING SOUTH. UH, SO THE ALLEY WOULD BE IN THIS, UH, AREA HERE. UM, AND THEN LOOKING STRAIGHT ON TO THE, UH, TO THE WEST ELEVATION. UM, HERE'S A PERSPECTIVE OF, OR A ELEVATION OF THAT. UH, THE PORTES SHARE BASICALLY GOES FROM THIS AREA TO THIS AREA. THESE ARE THE COLUMNS SUPPORTING THE PORTES SHARE. SO THIS WOULD BE THAT ENTIRE, UH, SECOND STORY ROOF DECK AREA. UH, THIS IS THE BREEZEWAY THROUGH THE BUILDING. AND THEN THESE AREAS ARE, UH, UH, PARKING AREAS. UH, AND THIS IS JUST THE, ABOUT A HALF OF THE BUILDING FRONTAGE JUST SHOWN, UH, A LITTLE ZOOMED IN, SO YOU GET A, A BETTER VIEW OF IT. UH, AND THEN THIS IS THE LOUNGE AREA AND THE VERTICAL CIRCULATION UP ON THE ROOFTOP DECK. AND THEN, UH, THE, THE ROOFTOP DECK WOULD BE OFF TO THE, TO THE LEFT OF THAT. SO THE, UH, FIRST FLOOR, UH, GROUND FLOOR PLAN, WHICH WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED, UH, A LITTLE BIT. UM, UH, THERE'S A, A COMMENT RAISED BY PLANNING COMMISSIONER, UH, REGARDING ACCESS TO, FOR PERSONS WITH IMPAIRED MOBILITY TO THE ELEVATORS AND [00:30:01] HOW THEY WOULD GET THERE. UM, AS I MENTIONED, UH, RESIDENTS ARRIVING AT THE SITE, UM, BY VAN, UH, OR BEING DRIVEN BY SOMEONE WOULD, UH, UNLOAD IN THIS LOCATION. THE APPLICANT INDICATED THAT THEY COULD PUT A SET OF DOORS HERE, SO RESIDENTS WALKING IN FROM THE ALLEY SIDE WOULD NOT HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY AROUND THE RECEPTION AREA TO GET TO THE ELEVATORS, AND THEY COULD JUST GO STRAIGHT FROM, FROM THE DROP OFFS ZONE RIGHT TO THE ELEVATORS. UH, SO WE COULD INCLUDE THAT AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, IF, IF THAT IS, UH, SOMETHING THE COMMISSION IS INTERESTED IN. UM, AGAIN, THIS IS THE, UH, BIKE STORAGE ROOM. UM, THE AREAS IN GRAY BACK HERE ARE BACK OF HOUSE, KINDA SUPPORT, UH, ROOMS, UH, MECHANICAL ROOMS, PLUMBING ROOMS, CORRIDORS, UH, THE TRASH STORAGE, UH, PREVIOUSLY WAS IN THIS LOCATION. THERE WAS A COMMENT FROM A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THAT IT IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE ALLEY FROM THE TOT LOT. UH, THE APPLICANT MOVED IT OVER, UH, AWAY FROM, UH, AWAY FROM THE TOT LOT OVER TO THIS LOCATION. UM, THIS IS THAT OUTDOOR AND A DINING AREA THAT I MENTIONED THAT'S, UH, OPEN ON THESE SIDES, UH, ENCLOSED ON THESE TWO SIDES AND CONNECTS DIRECTLY TO THE RESTAURANT SPACE. UM, THESE SPACES, UH, HAVE THESE DEMISING WALLS. THEY ARE NOT STRUCTURAL. SO THESE SPACES COULD BE COMBINED IN ANY CONFIGURATION THAT, UM, UH, WOULD MAKE SENSE FOR PROSPECTIVE TENANTS. I THINK THAT'S ALL I'LL SAY ABOUT, ABOUT THE FIRST FLOOR PLAN. UM, IT'S KIND OF A CLOSER IN VIEW OF, OF, UH, THE NORTH SIDE OF THE FIRST FLOOR PLAN. UH, AND THEN THE, UH, SOUTH SIDE, THE SECOND STORY HAS CHANGED JUST SLIGHTLY. THIS, UM, THESE TWO SPACES HERE, WHICH ARE DINING AND I BELIEVE ACTIVITIES. UH, UH, THE LOUNGE AND ACTIVITIES ROOM, UH, USED TO BE ACROSS THE HALLWAY FROM THE DINING AREA IN THIS LOCATION. THEY'VE MOVED IT OVER HERE WHERE THEY HAVE, UH, BETTER ACCESS TO THE OUTDOOR PATIO, UH, DECK OVER THE, UH, OVER THE PORTICO SHARE. THAT IS, UH, REALLY THE ONLY CHANGE TO THE, TO THE SECOND FLOOR. THIS IS THE MEMORY CARE FLOOR. SO THESE ARE, UM, UNITS THAT DO NOT HAVE, UH, KITCHENS OR, OR ANY COOKING FACILITIES. UH, THIS IS A TYPICAL FLOOR PLAN FOR ONE OF THE MEMORY CARE UNITS. UM, BATHROOM IN THE MIDDLE, UH, FULLY HANDICAPPED, ACCESSIBLE, UM, AND, UH, SPACE FOR, UH, TWO BEDS. THE THIRD AND FOURTH FLOOR PLAN ARE IDENTICAL. UH, THESE ARE, UH, FULLY CONTAINED UNITS. UM, THEY, UH, HAVE STUDIOS, ONE BEDROOMS AND TWO BEDROOMS. THERE'S A SMALL VIEWING DECK, UH, IN THIS AREA. UM, THESE PLANS HAVE NOT CHANGED FROM WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY, UH, SHOWN AT THE, AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING. UH, THIS IS THE FLOOR PLAN FOR THE STUDIO. UH, THE ONE BEDROOM, UH, AND THE, UH, TWO BEDROOM. UM, UH, ONE BEDROOM, TWO BEDROOM, LIVING AREA, KITCHEN. UH, AND THIS UNIT HAS TWO BATHROOMS. THEY ALSO HAVE THEIR OWN, UM, LAUNDRY FACILITIES AS WELL. SO, UM, THE PROJECT AS, UH, DETAILED IN THE STAFF REPORT IS, UH, SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE GENERAL PLAN POLICIES, PETALUMA SPECIFIC, UH, CENTRAL PETALUMA SPECIFIC PLAN, THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE SMART CODE, UM, THE, UH, WARRANTS, UH, FOR OVERALL BUILDING WIDTH AND, UH, PARKING, AND THEN SITE PLAN AND, UH, SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW. UM, THE USE IS AN ALLOWED USE. SO THERE'S NOT A, THERE'S NOT A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. THAT'S BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION THIS EVENING. UM, AND, UH, WE HAD PREPARED ALSO THE ADDENDUM TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT. UM, THIS IS A OUTLINE OF THE, UH, SPAR STANDARDS THAT, UH, THE DECISIONS TO BE BASED ON FOR THE SPAR APPLICATION. UM, AND JUST REMEMBER THAT AS YOU'RE DISCUSSING THE APPLICATION, IF THERE ARE ANY CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL YOU WISH TO IMPOSE ON THE PROJECT, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO RELATE THEM BACK TO THE MAKING FINDINGS. THESE FINDINGS. UH, WITH REGARDS TO THE, UH, WARRANT APPLICATION, THERE'S A LIMIT ON THE OVERALL WIDTH THAT A BUILDING IS ALLOWED [00:35:01] TO BE. UM, IT'S, UH, 200 FEET FOR THE FIRST TWO FLOORS AND 150 FEET FOR THIRD FLOORS AND ABOVE. THERE'S ALSO A MAXIMUM SIDE YARD SETBACK. SO, UH, TO COMPLY WITH THIS, UH, REQUIREMENT, THE PROJECT WOULD EITHER HAVE TO GET A WARRANT FOR SIDE YARD SETBACKS THAT ARE GREATER THAN ALLOWED, UH, OR A WARRANT FOR, UH, EXCESS BUILDING WITH, UM, GIVEN THE, UH, CURVED LINEAR SHAPE OF THE BUILDING THAT, UH, FOLLOWS THE, THE SHAPE OF THE, UH, OF THE PROJECT SITE. UM, THERE REALLY IS NOT A VANTAGE POINT WHERE YOU SEE THE ENTIRE, UH, WIDTH, OVERALL WIDTH OF THE BUILDING. AND, UH, THE AREA THAT IS VISIBLE IS, IS CLOSE TO THE 200 FEET THAT, UH, IS THE, THE CODE LIMITS DEVELOPMENT TO IT IS MUCH, YOU KNOW, 50 FEET GREATER THAN WHAT'S ALLOWED FOR THE TOP TWO FLOORS. UM, BUT STAFF BELIEVES THAT, UH, THE, UH, FINDINGS, UH, ARE THERE TO, TO APPROVE THE, THE WARRANT, REQUEST FOR THE INCREASED IN OVERALL BUILDING WIDTH. AND THEN IN TERMS OF PARKING, UM, I NOTED THAT THERE'S A PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR 41 SPACES. THERE ARE 32 SPACES PROVIDED THE SMART CODE ALLOWS, UH, PARKING SPACES ON THE, UH, IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY ON THE STREET FRONTAGE TO BE COUNTED TOWARDS THE REQUIRED PARKING. UH, WITH THE 11 FRONTAGE SPACES IN THE FRONTAGE, THERE'S, UH, 32 SPACES, UH, ON THE PROPERTY. UM, AND ACTUALLY, I BELIEVE THERE ARE 10 SPACES IN THE FRONTAGE, NOT 11. UM, AND SO THERE'S, UH, THERE IS A REQUIREMENT FOR A, UM, APPROVAL OF A WARRANT. THERE ARE, UH, 36 ACCESS PARKING SPACES IN THE VICINITY OF THE PROJECT SITE. UH, AGAIN, THAT'S NORTH OF THE PROJECT, AWAY FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES TO THE SOUTH. SO WITH THAT, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, UH, APPROVE THE RESOLUTION, APPROVING THE, UH, THE SITE PLAN, ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, AND THE WARRANTS, AND ALSO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION. UM, ADOPTING THE ADDENDUM TO THE EIR FOR, UH, THAT WAS PREPARED FOR THE, UH, PROJECT BEFORE YOU. THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE INTO QUESTIONS. I'M START WITH JESSICA CHAIR. I MIGHT, BEFORE WE DO SO, UH, WE REALIZED THAT WE HADN'T INCLUDED THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A STAFF PRESENT OR A APPLICANT PRESENTATION. SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER THAT, AND THEY HAVE ONE AVAILABLE NOW, WOULD, I WOULD LOVE THE TIME TO DO THAT. AN APPLICANT PRESENTATION. HAVING NOT SEEN THEM CLOSER, I WONDERED IF SOMETHING WAS UP. ALRIGHT. OKAY. I AM IN SHARE YOUR, OKAY, GREAT. ON THE SCREEN YOU WANNA SHARE? OH, PERFECT. GREAT. GREAT. THANK YOU. UH, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. UH, MY NAME IS AMIR KIA. I'M WITH SPIRIT LIVING GROUP, THE PROJECT SPONSOR, UM, HERE THIS EVENING WITH, UM, UH, ALI, MY, UH, BROTHER AND PARTNER AT SPIRIT LIVING. AND WE ALSO HAVE HERE, UM, IAN MURPHY WITH BDE, UM, PART OF OUR ARCH ARCHITECTURAL TEAM. AND, UM, BRIAN EPPA WITH, UH, W TRANS WHO PREPARED, UH, THE TRAFFIC STUDY. UM, AS, UH, EMMANUEL HAD MENTIONED, WE, UH, WE HAD A HEARING, UM, BEFORE YOU, UH, IN JULY. AND, UM, WE, UM, EFFECTIVELY HEARD THREE MAIN POINTS THAT YOU ASKED US TO GO BACK AND CONSIDER AND LOOK AT AND, AND MODIFY, UH, AND REFLECT YOUR COMMENTS. AND THOSE THREE POINTS WERE, UM, THE ARCHITECTURAL, UM, THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING, [00:40:02] THE GROUND FLOOR, UM, ACTIVATION AND MORE, UH, DETAILING OF THE LANDSCAPING. UM, WE, WE TOOK THOSE COMMENTS, UH, WE CONSOLIDATED THEM. WE, WE MET WITH, UM, OUR ARCHITECTURAL TEAM IN PARTICULAR, UM, IAN MURPHY AND HIS TEAM, UM, UH, LAUREN SEARS, WHO'S BEEN IN SPEARHEADING THE, THE CHANGES, JOHN ENNIS AND ALEX, UH, CALOR. AND WE LOOKED AT VARIOUS DESIGN, UM, UH, ALTERNATIVES, UH, TO INCORPORATE THE VARIOUS FEEDBACK, UH, THAT WE GOT. WE CONSOLIDATED THAT, UM, INTO, UM, A COUPLE, UH, DESIGN SCHEMATICS THAT THEN WE PRESENTED, UH, TO PLANNING STAFF. AND THEN WE WORKED WITH PLANNING STAFF TO FURTHER REFINE, UM, JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ON THE SAME DIRECTION. AND IT REFLECTED THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAD HEARD IN JULY. UM, THEN WE, WE TOOK THOSE, WE TOOK THAT DIRECTION, WE FURTHER REFINED THE PLANS, AND THEN WE, UH, WE MET, WE HAD A MEETING AGAIN WITH PLANNING STAFF, WITH, UH, ANDREW TRIPLE AND WITH COMMISSIONER HOOPER, UH, TO, UH, PRESENT OUR MORE DETAILED, UM, DESIGN. UM, AND THEN BASED ON THAT RECOMMENDATION, THE TEAM REALLY WENT ALL OUT TO ESSENTIALLY PRESENT WHAT, WHAT YOU'VE SEEN TONIGHT, WHICH WE'D LIKE TO, UH, QUICKLY SHARE WITH YOU. UM, I THINK WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THESE SLIDES. UH, AS YOU KNOW, JUST AS A REFRESHER, WE, WE, WE ARE WORKING WITH A QUITE A DIFFICULT SITE. UM, IT'S, IT'S VERY NARROW. THERE HAS TO BE A LOT THAT CAN FIT AND STILL ACCOMMODATE A WIDE SIDEWALK FIRE AXIS AROUND, AROUND THE BACK. UM, THE, THE SITE IS, UH, CURVED SHAPED. IT'S A, IT'S JUST A VERY, VERY CHALLENGING SITE TO WORK WITH, UM, TO PROVIDE, UM, HOUSING AND ACTIVE COMMERCIAL. BUT WE FEEL THAT WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED SOMETHING, UH, QUITE UNIQUE, UM, ON THIS SITE. THE, UM, RENDERINGS THAT, UH, EMMANUEL DISCUSSED, I THINK, UM, AGAIN, THERE'S A LIST OF MAYBE 10, 15, UM, ITEMS, UM, THAT, UH, WE SUMMARIZED FROM THAT HEARING. UM, AND THEY'RE REFLECTED THROUGHOUT THE DESIGN, UM, OF THE BUILDING IN TERMS OF THE, UH, UH, ACCENTUATING THE COLORS, THE ENDS, THE USE OF MATERIALS DIFFERENTIATING FROM, UM, THE HOTEL, UH, UM, AND, UM, THE USE OF THE MATERIALS. AND WE ALSO THEN PRESENTED THIS, UH, THIS DESIGN, UH, TO, UH, MEMBERS OF, UH, URBAN CHAT AND KNOW BEFORE YOU GROW IN A NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, WE COMBINED OUR NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING NOVEMBER WITH A MEETING, UM, WITH, UH, URBAN MEMBERS OF URBAN CHAT AND KNOW BEFORE YOU GROW, UH, THERE WERE ABOUT, UM, 20 MEMBERS, 20, UH, PARTICIPANTS IN THAT MEETING. 10 IN PERSON, ABOUT 10 BY ZOOM. UM, AND, UM, WE FELT THAT THE FEEDBACK WAS, UM, VERY POSITIVE IN TERMS OF, UH, OUR, OUR DESIGN AND OUR CONCEPT FOR THE SITE. UM, AS EMMANUEL MENTIONED, I THINK ONE OF THE FEATURES THAT WE, WE, WE APPRECIATE ABOUT THIS DESIGN IS THE, THE ACCENTUATING, THE, THIS, THIS PUBLIC BREEZEWAY THAT TECHNICALLY IT'S ONLY YOU, YOU ONLY NEED 10 FEET. BUT WE'VE REALLY, UH, ENLARGED IT AS MUCH AS WE CAN TO CREATE THIS, UM, TRANSPARENCY AND ENCOURAGEMENT FOR A CONNECTION BETWEEN THE PARK. UM, UM, THE CENTRAL GREEN AND THE PARK, UH, JUST CREATES MORE INVITING, UM, AESTHETIC DESIGN. UM, THE STOREFRONTS, AS YOU CAN SEE, ARE, UM, FLOOR TO CEILING GLASS. UM, THAT'S MORE JUST OUR, UH, DESIGN PHILOSOPHY OF HOW WE, UM, LIKE THE DESIGN OUR BUILDINGS, AND IN TERMS OF CREATING THAT TRANSPARENCY, THE INVITATION FOR NEIGHBORS IN THE COMMUNITY TO BE ABLE TO LOOK IN AND RESIDENTS TO LOOK OUT AND TO, TO CREATE CONNECTIONS. UM, [00:45:12] THE ACTIVE USES ON THE GROUND FLOOR HAVE, I WOULD SAY, JUST ABOUT DOUBLED. UM, SO WE FEEL THERE'S A TREMENDOUS OPPORTUNITY TO ACTIVATE THE, THE, UH, THE STREET FRONT. UM, THE ACCESS, UH, FROM THE BACK, UH, I THINK ALSO CREATES A KIND OF A DISTINCT PRIVATE, UH, ENTRY EXPERIENCE FOR, FOR SENIORS. UM, WE CAN CREATE A, A MORE DIRECT CONNECTION TO THE ELEVATOR. WE'D PROBABLY DO IT FROM THE PASSAGEWAY ON THE INSIDE BETWEEN THE OFFICES RATHER THAN DIRECTLY FROM THE, UM, STREET INTO THE ELEVATOR BECAUSE OF SAFETY REASONS. BUT WE COULD DEFINITELY SHORTEN THAT PASSAGEWAY. WE ALSO, UH, ENGAGED, UH, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT TO, UH, REALLY BUILD OUT AND, UH, DETAIL THE LANDSCAPING PLAN ON THE, FOR THE, FOR THE SECOND FLOOR, THE ROOFTOP AND THE ARTICULATION AROUND THE BUILDING ON THE STREET FRONT. WE DO HAVE QUITE A WIDE, UH, SIDEWALK. SO IT DOES CREATE OPPORTUNITY FOR, FOR BENCHES, SEATING PLANTERS, UM, AND FURTHER ACTIVATION. I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN OVER THE CHANGES TO THE FLOOR CLANS, AND THIS IS THE REVISED, UH, FLY THROUGH WHICH, UH, I WILL PLAY FOR YOU. SO YOU'RE PASSING, UH, THE, THE MARRIOTT HOTEL TOWN HOMES ARE ON YOUR LEFT. UH, WE, UH, YOU'VE HEARD FROM US, UH, IN THE PAST HEARINGS, UM, REGARDING OUR, UH, OUR APPROACH. UH, WE DO BELIEVE THIS IS AN, UH, AN EXCELLENT, UH, LOCATION TO CREATE A MULTI-GENERATIONAL COMMUNITY. UM, WE BELIEVE, UH, EVERY COMMUNITY SHOULD HAVE HOUSING OPTIONS FOR VARIOUS AGES. AND I THINK WITH THE WAY THAT THIS AREA IS SHAPING UP, UM, THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE THAT. AND, UM, WITH THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, THE TOWN HOMES, UM, INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE LIVING THERE WHO MAY WANT A PARENT LIVING CLOSE BY, OR A PARENT LIVING IN THE COMMUNITY WHO HAS A RELATIVE OR SON OR DAUGHTER VISITING AND STAYING AT THE MARRIOTT, THEY CAN JUST WALK OVER, UM, THE PARK THAT RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT NEXT DOOR. THE TRAILS THAT ARE BEING DEVELOPED, UM, THE WALKABILITY, UM, WE THINK THAT'S JUST A, [00:50:01] A REALLY A, A EXCELLENT OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE THAT, UH, MULTI-GENERATIONAL COMMUNITY IN THIS LOCATION. UM, SOME OF THE USES THAT WE ENVISION FOR THE, THE GROUND FLOOR, UM, AGAIN, TO ACTIVATE THE GROUND FLOOR, UH, WILL BE SIMILAR TO OUR, OUR PROJECT, UH, COMMUNITY IN BERKELEY. UM, THE CORNER SPACE IS A, IS NOW A BAKERY. UH, IT'S, UH, OPERATED BY A MOTHER AND DAUGHTER AND HOPEFULLY SWEET BITES BAKERY. THEY WILL BE OPENING IN JANUARY. UM, THERE'S THE LUCERO SALON AGAIN, COINCIDENTALLY, ANOTHER MOTHER-DAUGHTER THAT ARE OPERATING OPEN TO OUR RESIDENCE, BUT ALSO OPEN TO THE COMMUNITY. SO THEY HAVE THEIR OWN CLIENTELE THAT COME IN, AND OUR RESIDENTS USE THAT SPACE AS WELL. ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT CONNECTION BETWEEN THE OUTER AND THE INNER COMMUNITY. UM, AND THEN THIS, THE, UM, ART LAB, WHICH IS OUR INTERGENERATIONAL SPACE WHERE, UM, IT'S DESIGNED AFTER STICKY ART LABS IN BERKELEY, WHERE KIDS ARE, UH, KIDS THAT ARE HOMESCHOOLED OR AFTERSCHOOL PROGRAM, THEY WILL ATTEND, UM, UH, FOR VARIOUS ARTS AND CRAFTS PROJECTS. AND IT'S THE SAME SPACE THAT OUR RESIDENTS USE FOR THEIR ACTIVITIES. AND SO THE GOAL IS TO CREATE DAILY ENGAGEMENT WITH, UH, KIDS AND, UM, OLDER ADULTS AND SENIORS. THIS IS THE ACTUAL PICTURE OF THE, THE SALON AND SPA. THIS IS A RENDERING OF THE, OF SWEET BITES THAT'S ACTUALLY LOOKS IDENTICAL TO THIS. WE SHOULD HAVE HAD AN ACTUAL PICTURE, BUT IT'S VERY, VERY SIMILAR. THIS IS AN ACTUAL PICTURE OF THE ART LAB AND AN ACTIVITY THAT, UH, THIS HAPPENED TO BE ON VALENTINE'S DAY. AND YOU'LL NOTICE HERE, IT'S NOT JUST RESIDENTS, BUT IT'S, AND THE CHILDREN, BUT IT'S THE PARENTS OF THE CHILDREN, THE GRANDPARENTS WHO ARE NOT LIVING AT THE COMMUNITY, BUT ARE ACCOMPANYING THE CHILDREN, THE TEACHERS. IT'S JUST TRULY A, A MIX OF COMMUNITY THAT IS TAKING PART IN THE ART LAB. AND SIMILAR PHILOSOPHY IN TERMS OF THE DESIGN. YOU SEE THE FLOOR TO CEILING GLASS, THE LIGHTING, THE COLOR. IT'S, IT'S ENCOURAGING AND INVITING THE, THE COMMUNITY TO COME IN AND PARTICIPATE IN THE LIFE OF THE, OF THE, UH, COMMUNITY. SO, YOU KNOW, OUR BACKGROUND BY NOW, THIS IS OUR THIRD YEAR, SO HOPEFULLY YOU KNOW US VERY WELL. UM, WE, I MEAN, WE, WE BELIEVE THE SITE IS, UH, SERVES MANY, UH, HAS MANY POSITIVE BENEFITS, UM, IN ADDITION TO 70 UNITS OF HOUSING, UM, AND 36, UH, FOR RESIDENTS THAT CAN AGE IN PLACE. UM, PROVIDING UP TO 30, UH, FULL-TIME LOCAL JOBS IN THAT, IN THAT AREA. UM, THE ACTIVE LOCAL, UH, SERVING USES THAT, UH, RETAIL USES THAT BY THE WAY, WE WILL BE OPENING AND OPERATING MOST OF 'EM FROM THE GET-GO, FOR EXAMPLE. THE DINING WILL BE OPEN, UH, THE BISTRO WILL BE OPEN. UM, SO THAT IS IT FOR THE PRESENTATION. UM, WE, AS I MENTIONED, THIS IS ACTUALLY OUR, OUR NINTH PUBLIC FORUM FOR BEFORE THE CHAMBER TWO STUDY SESSIONS, TWO HEARINGS, UH, THREE, UM, THREE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS, AND, UM, TWO, UH, MEETINGS BEFORE THE DRC. I THINK, UM, WE'VE REFLECTED AS MUCH AS WE COULD FROM EVERYBODY. UM, WE THINK IT'S AN AMAZING PROJECT. UM, AND, UH, WE'RE HOPING THAT, UH, YOU WOULD, UH, VOTE IT, UH, VOTE TO APPROVE IT THIS EVENING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE THOROUGH PRESENTATION AND FOR WHAT I IMAGINE IS A FR FEELS LIKE A FREQUENT REPEAT PRESENTATION AT THIS POINT. THANK YOU. UH, WITH THAT, WE'LL START WITH QUESTIONS, AND I'M ACTUALLY GONNA GO TO HEIDI THIS TIME. OH, OKAY. [00:55:02] UH, THANK YOU CHAIR. UM, I DON'T HAVE TOO MANY QUESTIONS, REALLY. UM, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS, I KNOW IN ONE OF, UM, OUR COMMENTS FROM JULY, WE, UM, WERE ASKING FOR SOME, UM, INCREASE IN ROOFTOP SPACE. AND I DIDN'T SEE IT BEFORE OR AFTER. DO YOU KNOW OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD IF THE ROOFTOP SPACE INCREASED? THE ROOFTOP DECK, UH, DID NOT INCREASE, OR IF IT DID, IT WAS PROBABLY, IT WAS UNDER OR ROUGHLY ABOUT A HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT INCREASE, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. UM, I DUNNO IF THE APPLICANT MAY BE ABLE TO, TO, TO RESPOND. I BELIEVE THERE WAS ABOUT 110 OR 111 SQUARE FOOT DIFFERENCE, AND I DON'T RECALL IF IT WAS THE DECK ON THE VERY TOP OF THE BUILDING OR THE PORTICO SHARE DECK. SO, MM-HMM, . SO, UM, BUT I CAN DOUBLE CHECK THAT. BUT THE PORTA SHARE WAS AN, AN ADDITION, RIGHT? OR IT WAS INCLUDED IN THE PRIOR PROPOSAL. UM, THE COMMISSION REQUESTED ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE MATERIAL BE INCLUDED, UH, ON BOTH DECKS. MM-HMM, . OKAY. I GUESS I'M GONNA, I THINK, UH, WE HAVE A LIMIT ON HOW MANY, HOW MANY, HOW LARGE THAT ROOFTOP DECK, UH, CAN BE. IF IT'S LARGE THAT A CERTAIN SIZE, THEN WE NEED TWO MEANS OF EGRESS. UM, AND WE HAVE STAIR TOWERS ON OPPOSITE ENDS. IT CREATES A LITTLE BIT OF A CIRCULATION CHALLENGE. MM-HMM. . SO I THINK WE WENT, I, AND WE HAVE OUR ARCHITECT HERE TOO, THEY CAN OPINE ON THIS, BUT WE TOOK IT AS FAR AS WE COULD WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF THE RULES, UNDER THE DEPARTMENT OF BUILDING INSPECTION. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE LIMIT IS? I, I'LL PASS IT ON TO OUR, YEAH. BASED ON THE OCCUPANCY UP THERE, I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY LIMITED TO 735 SQUARE FEET OF USABLE SPACE. OKAY, I SEE. AND WE ANTICIPATE A LOT OF YEAH. ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT. MM-HMM. SO WE WANTED TO BE CAUTIOUS AND I SEE. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHY IT WAS REMAINED SMALL. . OKAY. THAT'S A GOOD REASON THOUGH. THANK YOU. UM, THE OTHER QUESTION WAS, I KNOW I READ IN THE COMMENTS ABOUT, UM, THE THROUGH TRAFFIC BEING PRO PROBLEMATIC FOR SENIORS CROSSING TO THE CENTRAL GREEN, WHICH I AGREE IT IS. AND, UM, THE STAFF RECOMMENDED, UM, EMPHASIZING THAT PEDESTRIAN CROSSING. WHAT, WHAT IS PLANNED FOR THAT IN TERMS OF THIS EMPHASIS? THE EMPHASIS, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDED THEY EMPHASIZE THE ORIENTATION OF THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY TOWARDS THE WEST SIDE, TOWARDS THE PARK. UH, AND THIS WILL GIVE, UH, RESIDENTS THE OPTION OF GOING TOWARDS ITS CENTRAL GREEN IF THAT'S WHERE THEY WISH TO SPEND TIME OR INTO THE PARK. UM, AND THAT WAS ACCOMPLISHED BY A, A FEW THINGS. ONE IS SHIFTING THAT, UH, LOUNGE AREA IN THE COMMUNITY SPACE. SO IT WENT FROM THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, THE STREET SIDE OF THE BUILDING TO THE, THE ALLEY SIDE. UH, SO IT'S, IT'S CONTINUOUS FROM FRONT TO BACK. PREVIOUSLY, THERE WERE OFFICES, ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES IN THE BACKSIDE OF THAT, UM, THE PEDESTRIAN, UH, PATHWAY, THE BREEZEWAY THROUGH THE BUILDING IS WIDENED. UM, AND THEN THEY'RE ADDING, UH, PAVERS, UH, UH, AS A CROSSWALK ACROSS THE, UH, OF THE ALLEY. SO, UM, AND THERE'S ALREADY A STUB OUT, A PEDESTRIAN SIDEWALK. MM-HMM. , UH, IN THE PARK. SO THAT ALIGNS WITH THAT BREEZEWAY. SO, SO IT'S ALREADY THE INFRASTRUCTURE ON THE PARK SIDE AND THE PUBLIC SIDE IS ALREADY IN PLACE. IT'D BE A MATTER OF, OF MAKING THAT CONNECTION WITH THE PEDESTRIAN, UH, THIS CROSSWALK ACROSS THE ALLEY, UM, IN THOSE OTHER CHANGES I JUST DESCRIBED, I KNOW IT'S NOT REALLY PART OF IT, BUT I COULD FORESEE IN THE FUTURE WHEN, UM, WE DO PUT THE, UM, UM, CALL FIELD CONNECTOR IN THAT WE'LL BE HAVING INCREASED TRAFFIC IN THIS AREA AND THEN, UM, WITH SENIORS TRYING TO GET ACROSS TO THE GREEN, THEN WE MAY WANT TO HAVE, UM, UM, JUST BETTER CROSSWALK LIGHTING AND UM, YOU KNOW, UM, NOT AS NECESSARILY A STOP SIGN, BUT JUST TO TAKE CARE THAT PEOPLE COULD CROSS SAFELY. AND IS THIS THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO TALK ABOUT THIS, OR IS WHEN WE PUT THAT CONNECTOR IN? SO, UM, IT'S, I THINK THE LATTER. MM-HMM. . UM, SO WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS, UH, ALONG THIS LINE WITH OUR PUBLIC WORKS UTILITIES STAFF. UM, AND BASICALLY THEY'VE SAID IF THEY'RE IN THE FUTURE, IF, IF ISSUES BECOME A ARISE, TRANSPORTATION, TRAFFIC, CIRCULATION RELATED ISSUES, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ADD STOP SIGNS, REMOVE STEPS. MM-HMM. STOP SIGNS, ADD THE FLASHING BEACONS. YES. MAKE, MAKE THOSE TYPES OF CHANGES. MM-HMM. AS WARRANTED. OKAY. UH, WHEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE CONDITIONS WARRANT. UM, SO, AND THEY ALSO MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, IF NECESSARY A RESIDENTIAL PARKING PERMIT PROGRAM. MM-HMM. COULD BE ESTABLISHED IF IT WAS DETERMINED THAT PARKING WAS AN ISSUE AND, AND FOLKS COMING TO THAT AREA THAT DIDN'T RESIDE. THERE WERE, WERE CREATING PARKING ISSUES FOR THE LOCAL RESIDENTS. SO, UH, BUT AGAIN, THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED, UH, WHEN THE NEED ARISES. OKAY. I GUESS WE COULD CROSS THAT BRIDGE WHEN WE GET TO IT. EXACTLY. [01:00:01] , UH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANKS. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. UM, DARREN, DO YOU HAVE SOME QUESTIONS? YEAH. YES. THANK YOU. AND I'M GONNA TRY TO DIVIDE THESE BETWEEN STAFF AND THE APPLICANT FOR EFFICIENCY OF USING THE PODIUM THERE. UM, AND I GUESS I, I DON'T KNOW WHO THIS FIRST ONE WOULD BE FOR, BUT THE CENTRAL GREEN WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT, UH, GIVEN OUR CONVERSATION, AND THIS MIGHT'VE BEEN DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING, IS THAT IN THE PURVIEW OF SPIRIT LIVING FOR JUST LOT FIVE? OR IS IT THEIR RESPONSIBILITY IF THEY'RE DEVELOPING LOT FIVE AND SIX? UH, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE DOING A DESIGN THERE, I'M ASSUMING THAT'S PART OF THE PARCELS THEY HAVE N NO. SO THE CENTRAL GREEN IS CONSTRUCTED, IT WAS DESIGNED, CONSTRUCTED, UM, BY THE MASTER DEVELOPER BY BASIN STREET. RIGHT. SO THEY HAVE NO FURTHER IMPACT ON THE LOOK, FEEL OF THAT CENTRAL GREEN SPACE? NO. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. UH, AND THEN ALONG WITH THAT QUESTION, DID WE END UP ADDING BOLLARDS FOR PEDESTRIAN AND OUTDOOR SAFETY ALONG ANY PART OF THAT STRETCH? UH, NO. NO. BOLLARDS WERE, WERE ADDED. UM, WERE, I THINK SIMILAR TO THE PRIOR QUESTION, IF THEY'RE, THEY BECOME WARRANTED, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE ADDED. UM, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT OUR PUBLIC WORKS AND UTILITY STAFF, UH, FELT WAS, WAS NECESSARY AND THEY DIDN'T MENTION IT IN THEIR REVIEW OF THE PROJECT. OKAY. UH, THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND THEN I THINK EVERYTHING ELSE MAY BE FOR THE APPLICANT. ACTUALLY I'LL COVER MY, MY QUESTIONS ABOUT WARRANTS AND CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. UH, WHEN IT COMES TO PARKING, I'M ASSUMING THAT ANY OF THE PARKING SPACES THERE TO THE NORTH, THAT IS KIND OF THE OVERFLOW AS PART OF THE WARRANT, NONE OF THAT PARKING IS ALREADY BEING REFERENCED IN ANY OTHER REQUEST FOR A PARKING VARIANCE OR ANY OTHER PARKING REDUCTION FOR OTHER PROJECTS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT? UH, NO. AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER APPLICATIONS PENDING BEFORE THE CITY, UH, IN THAT AREA. THERE WAS AN APPLICATION FOR DEVELOPMENT OF THE OFFICE SITE THAT WAS SUBMITTED, OH GOSH, I THINK IT'LL BE TWO YEARS THIS MARCH. UM, AND THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY BASIN STREET. UM, THEY HAVE, UM, I, I THINK HAVE DECIDED TO CHANGE DIRECTION ON THAT, JUST GIVEN, GIVEN THE LACK OF DEMAND FOR OFFICE. UM, BUT NO, THERE IS NO, UM, OTHER WARRANTS OR, OR, AND NO OTHER PROJECTS IN THAT AREA THAT ARE RELYING ON, ON THAT STREET PARKING. PERFECT. THAT PARKING'S NOT ALREADY EARMARKED FOR ANOTHER USE? NO. AND THEN AS WELL, UM, ATTACHMENT A, THE SPAR WARRANTS AND RESOLUTIONS, PAGE SEVEN, UH, THE IZO SECTION, I WANNA CALL IT SECTION ONE, SECTION LOWERCASE I SUBSECTION E. I BELIEVE WE NEED TO UPDATE THAT AREA TO MATCH NEW COLORINGS IN THE RENDERINGS, UH, BECAUSE THAT AREA REFERENCES BLACK AND BROWN MATERIALS. AND I THINK ONE OF THE CHANGES OF NOTE WAS A CHANGE IN COLOR. UH, SO I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU, FLAG THAT FOR STAFF. THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. MM-HMM. , UH, AND THEN ON, I BELIEVE IT'S THE SAME, UH, ATTACHMENT EXHIBIT ONE, UH, PAGE THREE, ITEM 21. UM, WOULD, IS THERE ANY CHANGES WE CAN MAKE TO MAKE THE, UH, REGULATIONS AROUND LIGHTING MORE ROBUST? AND THIS IS IN LIGHT OF SOME PUBLIC COMMENTS WE GOT ABOUT POTENTIAL CONSIDERATIONS OF BIOLOGICAL RESOURCES. I THINK STAFF DID ANSWER, PROVIDE PRETTY THOROUGH RESPONSES, UH, TO THOSE CONSIDERATIONS. AND IN TERMS OF, THERE'S ALREADY AN EIR PERFORMED, THIS SITE DOES NOT PROJECT TO HAVE MORE IMPACT ON THOSE RESOURCES THAN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PLANNED. BUT I DID NOTICE IN THERE THERE WERE REGULATIONS AROUND LIGHTING, DOWNCAST, NO GLARE. IS THERE ANY OTHER LANGUAGE THAT COULD BE ADDED TO STRENGTHEN THAT, THAT WOULD BE WITHIN OUR PURVIEW, LIKE FULL CUTOFF? I DON'T KNOW IF FULL CUTOFF IS CONSIDERED A STRONGER PROTECTION THERE. UM, HAS ANYTHING LIKE THAT BEEN CONSIDERED OR COULD THAT BE CONSIDERED BY, BY OUR BODY? YEAH, I, I'LL TRY TO ANSWER THAT. I DON'T HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE CONDITION IF, UH, YOU AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION ARE ABLE TO CREATE ONE AND APPROVE IT. SO YEAH, WE WILL TRY TO WORK ON SOMETHING IN THE BACKGROUND HERE TOO. YEAH, I DON'T THINK MY LANGUAGE WAS NECESSARILY THE MOST ELEGANT, SO I APPRECIATE YOU CRAFTING THAT. BUT I THINK JUST ADDING SOMETHING THERE TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE LOWERING LIGHT POLLUTION FOR PEDESTRIANS, BIKERS, USERS OF THE SITE, BUT THEN WE ALSO HELP LIMIT ANY IMPACTS ON, UM, ON SURROUNDING ENVIRONMENT. AND I THINK EVERYTHING ELSE MAY BE FOR THE APPLICANT TEAM. OH, NO, THE LAST QUESTION, UH, [01:05:01] LOT SIX, I BELIEVE THIS IS COVERED, SAID WE HAVE CONTROLS OVER THE FATE OF LOT SIX, WHETHER THIS IS DEVELOPED BY THE CURRENT APPLICANT OR SOMEONE ELSE. IS THERE A SEPARATE SPAR REVIEW PROCESS TO ENSURE COHESION WITH THIS PROJECT? YES, ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. PERFECT. UM, OKAY. AND THEN FOR THE APPLICANT TEAM, UM, IS ONE ITEM THAT CAME UP IN OUR LAST MEETING WAS RECESSED WINDOWS WERE MENTIONED. OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE RECESSED AREAS OF THE BUILDING DESIGN. UM, THIS WAS SOMETHING MENTIONED AT THE TIME BY OUR, OUR LATE COMMISSION MEMBER, KEVIN KELLY, IS ADDING RECESSES AND SILLS TO SOME OF THESE WINDOWS. NOW THIS KIND OF DOVETAILS WITH A RECENT DISCUSSION OUR CITY HAD ABOUT OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS AND HOW SOME OF THESE, NOW OBVIOUSLY THIS PROJECT IS NOT SUBJECTED TO THOSE STANDARDS, BUT IT GOT ME THINKING ABOUT HOW SOME OF THESE MATERIALS STUCCO AND STUCCO LIKE MATERIALS, UH, WE GAVE GUIDANCE TO ALWAYS HAVE A TWO INCH RECESS WINDOW ON THOSE MATERIALS. IS THIS SOMETHING THE APPLICANT TEAM HAS THOUGHT ABOUT? ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF OUR JULY STUDY SESSION ABOUT THAT, UH, WE, WE HAVE, SO SPECIFICALLY THE AREAS OF MOST ARCHITECTURAL IMPORTANCE AT THE CORNERS. SO THOSE HAPPEN TO BE THE CORRUGATED METAL AND WOOD LOOK SIDING. UM, BUT, UH, INDIVIDUAL WINDOWS AS WELL AS WINDOWS IN COMBINATION ARE RECESSED, UH, THAT AMOUNT OR MORE. AND THEN THERE ARE A FEW AREAS WITHIN THE PLASTER WHERE YOU SEE THE DARKER COLOR USED, WHERE, YOU KNOW, THREE WINDOWS IN VERTICAL COMBINATION ARE PUSHED BACK. OKAY. NOW, IN SOME OF THOSE AREAS OF THE THREE WINDOWS IN VERTICAL COMBINATION, THEY'RE KIND OF FLANKED BY INDIVIDUAL WINDOWS. ARE THOSE WINDOWS ALSO RECESSED? UH, NO. WE'RE REALLY OKAY. WANT TO USE IT TO ACCENTUATE SPECIFIC PARTS, KIND OF HIGH NOTE, LOW NOTE AS OPPOSED TO THE, THE WHOLE MASS. UNDERSTOOD. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN I THINK SOME OF MY OTHER QUESTIONS HAVE ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED. LET ME JUST DO A QUICK SCAN. OH, FOR THE APPLICANT TEAM. I KNOW WE HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING, YOU HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD THERE. AND WITH THE KNOW, BEFORE YOU GO GROUP KNOW, BEFORE YOU GROW GROUP, UH, DO YOU HAVE KIND OF A SYNOPSIS OF FEEDBACK, ESPECIALLY FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, COMMUNITY THAT DID ATTEND THAT MEETING? BECAUSE I KNOW AT OUR LAST MEETING THAT WAS PART OF THE REASON FOR A CONTINUATION WAS FOLKS HAD SOME DISTINCT FEEDBACK AND WE WANTED TO GIVE TIME FOR THAT TO MATRICULATE IN THOSE MEETINGS TO TO HAPPEN, WHICH YOU GUYS DID. UM, DO YOU HAVE FEEDBACK KIND OF FROM, FROM THAT GROUP, THAT ENGAGED COMMUNITY THERE AT RIVERFRONT? I'M NOT SURE. UM, I THINK THEY'RE MEMBERS, UH, ARE HERE, AND I THINK THEY MIGHT ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION DIRECTLY IF YOU ASK 'EM THAT QUESTION. BUT GENERALLY THE FEEDBACK WAS AROUND TRAFFIC. UH, AND WE HAVE OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER HERE TONIGHT TO ADDRESS ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS AROUND TRAFFIC. UM, AND YEAH, THERE WAS GENERALLY POSITIVE. I DON'T RECALL ANY SPECIFIC REQUESTS. OKAY. THERE WAS ONE AND, AND I'LL, AND I'LL DEFINITELY GIVE THEM TIME IN PUBLIC COMMENT. YEAH. BUT I WONDERED IF, ESPECIALLY THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT INTEGRATING WITH THE EXISTING COMMUNITY, IF THERE WAS KIND OF A GENERALLY POSITIVE FEELING ABOUT THAT FROM THAT MEETING? YEAH, IT WAS GENERALLY, WE FELT IT WAS GENERALLY POSITIVE. UM, YOU ASKED A QUESTION EARLIER ABOUT THE CENTER GREEN, EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T HAVE PURVIEW OVER THE CENTRAL GREEN. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WE DISCUSSED THAT I THINK WOULD BE COOL IF WE WERE TO USE OUR, UH, 1% ART FEE TO, UM, GET A LOCAL, UH, ARTIST. I KNOW A LOT OF, UH, ARTISTS THAT I SEE THAT GO TO BURNING MAN, THEY PARK THEIR LARGE METAL OBJECTS IN PETALUMA, FIND SOMEONE TO MAYBE DO A NICE ART OBJECT ON THE CENTER GREEN THAT ALSO PROVIDES A SHADE STRUCTURE WITH THAT. I THINK COMMISSIONER HOOPER, UH, DISCUSSED AT A PRIOR MEETING, WHICH COULD BE FUNCTIONAL AND, AND, UM, PROVIDE A NICE ART FEATURE FOR THE COMMUNITY. FANTASTIC. WELL, THANK YOU FOR, FOR THAT FEEDBACK. YEAH. AND THE FINAL QUESTION, I BELIEVE IS MOST APPROPRIATE FOR THE APPLICANT'S TEAM, TEAM STILL, UH, POTENTIALLY THE ARCHITECT. AND THIS IS REGARDS TO OUR WARRANT FOR BUILDING LENGTH. UH, WAS IT EVER DISCUSSED A FULL VERTICAL BREAK TO, I, I WOULD IMAGINE GIVEN THE FLOOR PLAN AND HOW FAR WE ARE, THIS IS WHAT IS FEASIBLE AND MAKES THE PROJECT WORK, UH, BUT I JUST WONDERED IF THAT HAD BEEN TALKED ABOUT TO ADDRESS THIS, THIS WIDTH ISSUE? I, I THINK WHEN WE EVALUATED THE PROJECT ORIGINALLY, IT BECAME PRETTY CLEAR, PRETTY FAST THAT TO HAVE A FEASIBLE PROGRAM WE WERE GONNA HAVE TO USE THE MAJORITY OF THE FOOTPRINT. UM, IT, IT WASN'T GONNA BE POSSIBLE TO GET A COHESIVE PROGRAM AND PARKING AND EVERYTHING NECESSARY WITH A, IF BY FULL BREAK YOU MEAN ESSENTIALLY SEPARATING TWO S. RIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. UH, FANTASTIC. [01:10:01] WELL THAT IS ALL OF MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, CHAIR. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, COMMISSIONER WEISMAN. GREAT, THANK YOU. UM, FEW GENERAL QUESTIONS. ONE IS THE, UM, WE, UH, TALKED PREVIOUSLY, I THINK, UM, THIS PROJECT BROUGHT TO LIGHT, UM, THE ABSENCE OF, UH, SPECIFICALLY IN RCFE DESIGNATION, UM, IN OUR IZO. AND I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, RESOLVING THAT AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE. UM, HAS THERE BEEN ANY PROGRESS IN THAT REGARD THAT MAY INFORM US, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT? SO, UM, ONE THING I'D CLARIFY IS THERE IS, UH, OUR RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY FOR THE ELDERLY IS REFERENCED IN THE IZO. IT IS NOT REFERENCED IN THE SMART CODE. SMART CODE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND WE DO HAVE, UM, POLICIES AND PROGRAMS WITHIN THE HOUSING ELEMENT TO ALIGN THAT AND END UP UPDATE THE LANGUAGE AS IT RELATES TO OUR CFE. SO, UM, ESPECIALLY WE'LL BE BRINGING FORWARD SOME HOUSING AMENDMENTS EARLY IN 24 AND, UM, SOME OF THOSE WILL ACT UPON THE HOUSING ELEMENT PROGRAM REQUIREMENTS WHILE OTHERS MAY, UH, TRICKLE DOWN THROUGHOUT 24. OKAY. BUT NOTHING, NOTHING NEW ON THAT FRONT THAT INFORMS THIS DISCUSSION? NO, NO. UM, UH, I, I THINK YOU MENTIONED EMMANUEL. UM, UH, NOTHING NEW ON THE OFFICE LOT, NO NEW PROPOSALS THERE. NOTHING WITHDRAWN. SO, UM, I HAD A MEETING WITH A REPRESENTATIVE OF BASIN STREET PROBABLY FOUR MONTHS AGO NOW, FIVE MONTHS AGO. UH, WHEREIN, UH, THEY INDICATED THAT THEY WERE LIKELY NOT GOING TO PROCEED WITH THE OFFICE APPLICATION AND WERE LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVES INCLUDING, UH, POTENTIALLY RESIDENTIAL. OKAY. OKAY. UM, AND THEN ON THE TOWNHOUSES TO THE NORTHEAST, I GUESS, WHAT'S THE STATUS OF YEAH, SO THE, UH, CITY COUNCIL, UH, WELL, THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED, UH, THE SPAR APPLICATION AND RECOMMENDED CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL OF A TENTATIVE MAP. UH, THAT WAS, UH, DONE, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED IT IN MARCH OF 2021. UM, THEY ARE IN BUILDING PLAN CHECK. UH, NOW THEY ARE, UH, CLOSE TO HAVING THEIR, UH, BUILDING PERMITS BEING READY TO ISSUE. THEY DID FILE A REQUEST FOR AN EXTENSION ON THE TENTATIVE MAP, UM, CITING THE INTEREST RATES AND CHALLENGING BUILDING ENVIRONMENT. SO, MM-HMM. . SO ANY ESTIMATION ON WHEN THAT MIGHT COME BEFORE US? JUST ROUGHLY? SO THE EXTENSION REQUEST WOULD GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL. OKAY. UM, AND, UH, LIKELY GO EARLY, UH, IN THE NEW YEAR. SO PROBABLY IN, IN FEBRUARY WOULD BE MY BEST GUESS. OKAY. GREAT. THANKS. UM, AND THEN KIND OF GETTING CLOSER TO THE LOT FIVE, AS FAR AS LOT SIX, UM, DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE ANY ESTIMATION OF, OF WHEN YOU'D BE BRINGING FORWARD A, A PROPOSAL FOR THAT OR EMMANUEL? EITHER ONE. THE, THE, THE BALL'S IN OUR COURT, THEY SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION. UH, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF REVIEWING IT. UM, AND, UM, DON'T QUOTE ME, BUT I'M, I'M ANTICIPATING BRINGING THE, UH, APPLICA THAT APPLICATION BEFORE THE CITY, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, IN EARLY 24 AS WELL. SO PROBABLY FEBRUARY. AGAIN, WE NEED TO CHECK THE, THE SCHEDULE. SO I HAVE NOT CONSULTED WITH MY, MY SUPERIOR. OKAY. FEBRUARY MIGHT BE A BIT EARLY, BUT I THINK WE, WE COULD LOOK AT, LOOK FOR IT BY MAY. OKAY. OKAY. UM, AND THEN, UM, WITH REGARD TO THE, THE 200 WIDTH, UM, LIMIT, WHAT'S THE RATIONALE FOR THAT? SO THE, THE SMART CODE SPEAKS TO HAVING A KIND OF AN URBAN FABRIC, UM, THAT IS NOT CONSIST, DOESN'T CONSIST OF LARGE, YOU KNOW, MONOLITHIC STRUCTURES. UM, AND SO I THINK THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE INTENT BEHIND THAT. MM-HMM. . UM, AND IT ESTABLISHES FOR, ESTABLISHES PROBABLY 10 OR SO DIFFERENT BUILDING TYPES. UM, AND EACH OF THE BUILDING TYPES HAS MAXIMUM DIMENSIONS, UM, ASSOCIATED WITH IT. UM, THE, IN THE T SIX ZONE AND THE BUILDING TYPES ARE ALLOWED, DIFFERENT BUILDING TYPES ARE ALLOWED IN THE, IN THE VARIOUS, UH, TRANSECT ZONES, UH, IN THE T SIX ZONE, THE MAIN STREET BUILDING TYPE, UH, AND THE MID-RISE BUILDING TYPE ARE, ARE THE TWO, UH, BUILDING TYPES THAT ARE ALLOWED. UH, AND THEY HAVE THE, [01:15:01] UH, THAT MAXIMUM 200 FOOT MAXIMUM, UH, DIMENSION. AND AGAIN, I, I THINK IT HAS TO DO WITH KIND OF THE PERCEIVED, UH, SIZE OF, OF THE STRUCTURE. SO TO THE EXTENT THAT, UM, THAT PERCEIVED MASS AND BULK AND, AND OVERALL SIZE OF THE BUILDING CAN BE BROKEN DOWN INTO SMALLER COMPONENTS, UM, WITHOUT HAVING IT LOOK TOO CONTRIVED, UM, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD MEET THE INTENT, UH, OF, OF THE, UH, SMART CODE. OKAY. SO IT'S MORE AESTHETIC, IT'S NOT HEALTH AND SAFETY OR IT'S NOT CORRECT. I MEAN, THERE ARE BUILDING CODE STANDARDS THAT ADDRESS STRUCTURE SIZE, AND ONCE YOU GET OVER CERTAIN SIZES, THERE ARE DIFFERENT BUILDING TYPES, UH, TYPES OF CONSTRUCTION THAT NEED TO, YOU KNOW, THAT GO INTO EFFECT. BUT, UH, YEAH, NO, IT'S NOT A, UH, IT'S AN AESTHETIC CONSIDERATION. AND COMMISSIONER, I WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND ON THAT A BIT BECAUSE CERTAINLY THERE IS AN AESTHETIC COMPONENT TO IT. HOWEVER, AS WE MOVE FROM, FROM THE, UH, LOWER DENSITY, UM, TRANS INTO THE T SIX, UM, TRANSECT, WE FIND THAT, THAT WE'RE OF COURSE INCREASING IN THE COMMERCIAL USES, BUT WE'RE ALSO LOOKING FOR THAT INCREASED, UH, CONNECTIVITY TO SUPPORT PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY. SO YOU MAY, YOU MAY FIND YOURSELF IN A MORE COMMERCIAL ENVIRONMENT, HAVING A LARGER FORMAT, OFFICE BUILDING, FOR INSTANCE, THAT MAY BE LIMITED ACCESS TO WHERE YOU MIGHT HAVE TO GO AROUND THE BLOCK, UH, TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BLOCK. AND SO THAT TENDS TO CONSTRICT A PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY. I THINK ONE OF THE VALUES OF, OF THE MASTER PLAN AND HOW THIS PROJECT HAS INTEGRATED THE BREEZEWAY CONCEPT IS TO ENSURE THAT YOU CAN PASS THROUGH THE BUILDING TO GET TO THE OTHER SIDE OF IT WITHOUT HAVING TO GO AROUND IT. SO WHILE, WHILE WE DON'T HAVE THE AESTHETIC BENEFIT OF A FULL BREAK IN THE BUILDING, WE DO, WE DO, UM, STILL HAVE THAT ENHANCED CONNECTIVITY THROUGH THE BUILDING. YEAH. GOOD, GOOD POINT. I, I DIDN'T THINK OF THAT, BUT THAT, THAT DID ADDRESS THAT OTHER KIND OF FUNCTIONAL MM-HMM. , UM, CONCEPT AROUND THAT. OKAY, GREAT. THANKS. UM, OKAY. SO IN TERMS OF CIRCULATION, UM, I THINK IT'S, IT'S FAIRLY CLEAR. UM, WE HAVE CAWFIELD TO THE SOUTH GOING ACROSS THE BRIDGE, CAWFIELD AND THEN HOPPER TO THE NORTH, UM, AS IT IS TODAY. ONLY QUESTION I HAD WAS, UM, I THINK IT'S IS DEFINED AS COFIELD THEN GOING OFF TO THE WEST. MM-HMM. AND THEN GOING INTO THE NEIGHBORING DEVELOPMENT, WHICH I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER WHAT WE'RE REFERRING TO THAT ANYMORE AS CANNELL CANNELL STILL. OKAY. UM, SO WHEN IT GOES INTO THE CANNELL DEVELOPMENT, IS THE CURRENT THOUGHT THAT IT WILL GO ALL THE WAY TO THE END OF THAT DEVELOPMENT AND THEN, AND THEN BREAK UP NORTH TOWARDS HOPPER? OR, UH, JUST REMIND ME, ARE, ARE WE THINKING THAT IT WILL CUT UP AND THEN CUT TO THE EAST OF MARY ISAAC AND GO RIGHT OUT TOFIELD THAT WAY? SO, UM, MAYBE I CAN SHARE MY SCREEN. I'LL JUST PULL UP A, UM, A MAP, UM, OF THAT AREA. ONE SECOND HERE. OKAY. SO THIS IS THE EXISTING SEGMENT. MAYBE LET ME GO TO ARIEL. SO THIS IS THE PROJECT SITE RIGHT HERE. MM-HMM. , UH, THIS IS THAT EXISTING SEGMENT OF CAULFIELD EXTENSION. UM, THIS IS WHERE THE FENCE IS. UM, THIS IS ACTUALLY A EVA THAT WAS PUT IN FOR THE RIVERFRONT PROJECT. UM, SO INITIALLY, UM, PLANS THAT SCANNELL PRESENTED WERE TO EXTEND AT THIS T INTERSECTION OF HOPPER IN CAULFIELD TO EXTEND CAULFIELD TO A FOUR-WAY INTERSECTION HERE. THAT WAS, UM, IN, IN WORKING WITH OUR PUBLIC WORKS AND UTILITIES STAFF, UH, IN THE MASTER PLANNING PROCESS THAT THEY'RE GOING THROUGH FOR THE, UH, CITY, UH, MAINTENANCE YARD. UM, THE MOST RECENT PLAN, UH, WAS TO EXTEND, AND THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CIRCULATION, UH, DIAGRAMS IN, I BELIEVE IT'S EITHER IN THE CENTRAL PET PETALUMA SPECIFIC PLAN OR, OR IN THE GENERAL PLAN. BUT IT, UH, WOULD BASICALLY EXTEND CAULFIELD LANE IN THIS DIRECTION. SO CURVE THROUGH THE CORP YARD. UH, AND SO RATHER THAN HAVING TRAFFIC COME TO A FOUR-WAY INTERSECTION HERE AND GIVING UP, YOU KNOW, MOTORISTS THE, A CHOICE OF, OF WHICH [01:20:01] DIRECTION TO GO, THEY WOULD BE BROUGHT STRAIGHT DOWN INTO THE PROJECT SITE, UH, THIS WAY AND THEN DOWN TO THE BRIDGE. YEAH. GOT IT. SO IS THE, THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WAS DONE IN CONSIDERATION OF WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED THERE? SO THE, NO. SO THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS THAT WAS DONE LOOKED AT THE, UH, NUMBER OF VEHICLE TRIPS THAT WERE, UM, WOULD BE GENERATED BY THE PROJECT. UM, AND THIS CONNECTION IN THIS LOCATION WAS NOT ANTICIPATED, UH, AT, AT THE TIME THAT THAT, UH, WAS DONE. OKAY. UM, UM, IN THE ORIGINAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT FOR, FOR THE, UH, RIVERFRONT PROJECT, DID LOOK AT SEVERAL STU, YOU KNOW, STUDY INTERSECTIONS THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED. MM-HMM. , UM, SO THOSE, THOSE, THAT REMAINS VALID. OKAY. SO CIRCULATION FOR THE PURPOSES OF RIGHT NOW IS JUST, UM, DIRECTLY UP NORTH TO HOPPER AND BASICALLY SOUTH TO ACROSS THE BRIDGE? CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY. THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, VICE MAYOR? UM, AS FAR AS, UM, I'M JUST GOING TO START WITH THE, THE WINDOWS. IT SAID THAT THE LOWER WINDOWS WERE ONE, ARE, ARE THE UPPER WINDOWS VINYL? DID I READ THAT IN THE REPORT? IS THAT CORRECT? YES. I, UH, INCORRECTLY STATED THAT THERE IS NO VINYL, BUT THE, THE WINDOWS AT THE SECOND AND THROUGH FOURTH FLOOR, THOSE ARE VINYL WINDOWS. OKAY. 'CAUSE WE JUST HAD THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT WE WEREN'T GONNA BE DOING VINYL WINDOWS ANYMORE, SO I THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD PROJECT TO START THAT OFF. YEP. YEAH. AND SO, YEP. UH, AS I INDICATED IN THE MEMO THAT WAS DISTRIBUTED, UH, I BELIEVE LAST YESTERDAY AFTERNOON, OR MAYBE THIS MORNING, IT'S, IT'S ALL BEEN A BLUR THE LAST 24 HOURS. UM, WE HAVE, UH, APPROVED, UH, THE USE OF VINYL WINDOWS, UH, AND THE OTHER, UH, PROJECTS, SPAR APPLICATIONS AT RIVERFRONT, UH, SUBJECT TO REVIEW OF THE ACTUAL WINDOWS PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT TO ENSURE THAT THEY'RE OF, OF HIGH QUALITY, THAT THEY HAVE THE DIMENSIONALITY AND THE DEPTH TO THEM THAT WE'RE SEEKING, UH, WHEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, AT WINDOWS. SO, UH, THAT IS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT, UH, THE COMMISSION MAY WISH TO CONSIDER IMPOSING ON THIS PROJECT AS WELL, TO IMPOSING DIFFERENT WINDOWS, UH, TO ALLOWING USE OF VINYL, UH, SUBJECT TO STAFF REVIEW FOR THE QUALITY AND DESIGN OF THE WINDOW THAT'S BEING PROPOSED. OKAY. I, MY OPINION IS I WOULD LIKE TO GO AWAY FROM VINYL INSTEAD OF HAVING A MEETING LAST WEEK, AND THEN THIS WEEK WE'LL ACCEPT SOMETHING THAT WE WERE PRETTY ADAMANT ABOUT. UM, SO THAT IS ONE OF MY COMMENTS. UM, THE OTHER ONE IS, UH, THE CROSSINGS INTO THE CENTER GREEN. I THINK THOSE, UM, CROSSINGS ARE IMPORTANT. UM, AND THEY SHOULD BE PART OF THIS PROJECT. I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO WAIT UNTIL CALL FIELD COMES IN. UM, VICE MAYOR, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. WE'RE DOING QUESTIONS FOR THIS SEGMENT. OKAY. WELL THEN I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I'LL WAIT FOR MY COMMENTS AFTERWARDS. GOTCHA. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER MOSES. THANK YOU. UM, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS THAT DEAL WITH THE INSIDE AND THEN A VARIETY OF QUESTIONS FOR PARKING AND TRAFFIC ON THE OUTSIDE. SO I'LL START ON THE INSIDE AND LOOKING AT THE GROUND FLOOR PLAN, UM, FOR THE, FOR THE FIRST FLOOR HERE ON PAGE NINE OF ATTACHMENT J IF YOU'RE FOLLOWING ALONG AT HOME, I'M SEEING IN THE GRAY SERVICE COLOR RESTROOMS, UM, SORT OF ATTACHED TO THE LOBBY, BUT NO RESTROOMS IN THE PURPLE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC COMMERCIAL AREA. SO WILL THERE BE RESTROOMS ADDED TO THE RESTAURANT? UH, YEAH. THE, THE KIND OF PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE, YOU KNOW, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM TENANT AREA, UH, HASN'T BEEN DESIGNED YET. OKAY. BUT I IMAGINE THAT THERE WILL BE RESTAURANT, UH, RESTROOMS DESIGNED FOR THAT SPACE. GREAT. UM, THEN STILL INSIDE LOOKING ON THAT GROUND FLOOR, COULD YOU SPEAK A BIT MORE ABOUT THE CAPABILITY TO STORE E-BIKES? IT, IT, IT READ TO ME LIKE THE BIKE ROOM WOULD BE ELECTRIFIED AND HAVE PLUGS, BUT I'M CURIOUS TO UNDERSTAND SORT OF THE LOCKABILITY OF E-BIKES WHILE CHARGING IN THAT BIKE ROOM. UH, [01:25:01] I THINK OUR INTENT IS TO DESIGN SUCH THAT, UH, THOSE BIKES CAN BE LOCKED AND PLUGGED IN, UM, IN OUR EXPERIENCE SO LONG AS THERE'S A PROXIMAL OUTLET THAT CAN BE PLUGGED IN AND THERE WOULD BE IN THIS ARRANGEMENT, BUT WE'LL MAKE ANY NECESSARY MODIFICATIONS TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT CAN HAPPEN. I THINK WE DID MAKE A MODIFICATION IN THE MOST RECENT PLAN TO INCLUDE SOME STIPULATION ABOUT THAT AS WELL. GREAT. UM, ALRIGHT THEN MOVING OUTSIDE, STAYING ON THE TOPIC OF ELECTRIC. HOW MANY EV SPACES? ONE SECOND. SURE. UH, ING ONE EV CHARGING STATION. CAN WE HAVE MORE PLEASE? YES. GREAT. HOW MANY HANDICAP SPACES? SORRY, . UH, WE HAVE TWO A DA SURFACE STALLS. CAN WE HAVE MORE PLEASE? MAYBE TWO MORE. I, I THINK THE, THE ISSUE WITH ADDING A DA SURFACE STALLS DUE TO THE, UM, ACCESS AISLE IS THAT THEY WOULD ELIMINATE OTHER PARKING STALLS. SO WE'D BE FURTHER REDUCING PARKING TO ADD A DA STALLS. I WOULD BE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN THAT. WE CAN PROBABLY TALK ABOUT IT IN COMMENT. UM, AND YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA LIKE THIS 'CAUSE IT'LL ALSO REDUCE PARKING. HOW ABOUT STRIKING THE PARKING SPACE AT THE VERY FRONT FRONT ACROSS FROM RECEPTION FOR A LOADING ZONE? WHICH ONE IS THAT? SO I'M TALKING ABOUT THE AREA RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING. I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'VE GOT FOLKS HOPEFULLY COMING AROUND THE ALLEY SIDE, BUT YOU ARE STILL GOING TO HAVE UBERS AND FAMILY MEMBERS COMING UP TO THAT FRONT DOOR ON THE CENTRAL GREEN SIDE ACROSS FROM RECEPTION. AND I DON'T WANT THEM DOUBLE PARKED ON CAULFIELD. OH, SO IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING YOU SAYING? YES, LIKE A YELLOW, THE FRONTAGE. SO YOU'VE GOT 10 FRONTAGE SPOTS. I'M SAYING STRIKE TWO FOR A LOADING ZONE. WOULD YOU BE OKAY WITH THE WHITE ZONE? UH, I'LL LOOK TO STAFF TO GIVE ME A EXPLANATION OF THE DIFFERENCE. THEY'RE BOTH TEMPORARY. ONE IS ALLOW, WOULD ALLOW, UH, FOLKS TO DROP OFF. IT'S NOT JUST THE, I THINK RIGHT. ONE IS MORE A PASSENGER. I THINK THE, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, THE WHITE ZONE ALLOWS FOR PACKAGE DROPOFF, PASSENGER DROPOFF. SURE. IT'S SORT OF A MULTI MULTIUSE, THE WHITE ZONE YEAH. ZONE. SO, YEAH, I GOT IT RIGHT HERE ON THE DMV WEBSITE, IF WE TRUST THEM, IT SAYS WHITE IS STOP ONLY LONG ENOUGH TO PICK UP OR DROP OFF PASSENGERS. GREEN IS PARKED FOR A LIMITED TIME. THE TIME LIMIT MAY BE POSTED ON SIGNS THAT ARE PAINTED ON THE CURB. YELLOW IS LOAD AND UNLOAD. PASSENGERS IN FREIGHT DO NOT STOP LONGER THAN THE TIME POST IF YOU DRIVE A NON-COMMERCIAL VEHICLE. THEY SOUND VERY SIMILAR TO ME. BUT YES, THE POINT REMAINS STRIKING ONE TO TWO PARKING SPACES AT THE VERY FRONT OF THE BUILDING TO HAVE LOADING AND NO DOUBLE PARKING ON THAT CENTRAL GREEN. YEAH. GREAT. THANK YOU. UM, DOUBLE CHECKING. OH, WHERE'S THE VAN GONNA PARK? WHAT, WHERE IS THE SHUTTLE VAN GOING TO PARK? THERE'S ON, IT'S, UH, IN LITTLE PEOPLE PARKED IN ONE OF OUR PARKING SPACES. OKAY. SO WE'LL ALLOCATE ONE SPECIFICALLY. I I WOULD, THIS CAME UP IN BY EMAIL. IT LOOKS VERY TEMPTING TO TAKE THAT ONE EV SPOT FOR THE SHUTTLE VAN. SO WE DEFINITELY NEED MORE EVS. I WOULD GET GET YOURSELF AN ELECTRIC VAN, PARK THE VAN THERE, AND THEN GIVE US A COUPLE MORE EVS, UM, TO THE LEFT OF THAT STAIR FLOOR. WE LOVE EVS. GREAT. WE DRIVE US TOO. YEAH. UM, I THINK THAT WAS THE EXTENT OF MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I AM RECOVERING FROM WHAT'S STARTING TO FEEL LIKE A FOREVER BUG NOW, SO MY VOICE HAS BEEN PRETTY GONE, WHICH IS WHY I WAS VERY GLAD TO BE ABLE TO GO LAST AND HOPEFULLY HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF QUESTIONS CLEARED OUT. AND THANKFULLY, ESPECIALLY MOST RECENTLY, UH, MANY, MANY OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ASKED, BUT I DO STILL HAVE A FEW. UM, YOU, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS YOU'VE HAD SO FAR AND I RECOGNIZE THAT WE CAN SPEAK TO INDIVIDUALS DIRECTLY AND, UH, WE RECEIVED MANY PUBLIC COMMENTS FROM THEM. BUT ONE QUESTION I DID HAVE WAS, WHAT WAS THE BIGGEST CHANGE MADE TO THE DESIGN BASED ON THE [01:30:01] FEEDBACK YOU'VE HAD, SPECIFICALLY THE NEIGHBORS? UM, I, I THINK THE CHANGE REFLECTS THE ACTIVATION, UM, OF THE, THE GROUND FLOOR. WE, IF I RECALL, I THINK ONE OF THE COMMENTS WAS AROUND ACTIVATION OF THE USES. WELL, THE GROUND FLOOR ACTIVATION CAME FROM COMMISSIONER KELLY AT OUR LAST MEETING. I WAS JUST CURIOUS FOR THE, FOR THE NEIGHBORS THAT YOU MET WITH THE, THE, THE ONE ONLY COMMENT I RECALL FROM, FROM THE NEIGHBOR ON THE LAST HEARING WAS MOVING THE GARBAGE AREA. 'CAUSE IT WAS ACROSS FROM THE CHILDREN'S PLAY AREA IN THE PARK. UH, AND THAT'S THE ONLY COMMENT THAT I RE RECALL SPECIFICALLY. UH, AND THEN WE, WE, WE MOVED THAT TO THE OPPOSITE END OF THE BUILDING AWAY. YEAH. OKAY. IT, THE, THE, THE EXTERIOR DESIGN, I DON'T RECALL ANY COMMENTS FROM NEIGHBORS FOR THE EXTERIOR DESIGN. IT, THEY MOSTLY CAME FROM THE LAST HEARING FROM THE COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU. UH, AND THAT LEADS INTO, UH, ANOTHER QUESTION I HAD WITH REGARDS TO WHERE YOU MOVED, UH, THE TRASH. I APPRECIATE MOVING IT AWAY FROM THE TOT LOT, HAVING SPENT A BIT OF SUNDAY WALKING THAT AREA FAIRLY REPEATEDLY. UM, YOU, YOU KIND OF MOVED IT RIGHT UP AGAINST THE WHOLE CHUNK OF HOME. SO I DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT ONE, HOW'S THE, THAT TRASH CONTAINED? AND THEN TWO, UH, IS PICKUP GOING TO BE WHERE IT'S STORED OR WILL IT BE MOVED FOR PICKUP? WELL, THE, THAT AREA IS ENCLOSED AND SO IT'LL ONLY BE MOVED OUT. SO ALL THE TRASH IS SELF-CONTAINED. THERE'S PASSAGEWAY SERVICE CORRIDORS. OH, OKAY. INSIDE. BUT, UM, THERE'S GONNA BE JUST AT THE TIME WHEN IT'S, UM, EMPTY, THERE WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WILL BE, I'M NOT SURE HOW THE TRUCKS OR THE GARBAGE TRUCKS WORK HERE, BUT I, I IMAGINE TO HAVE THE THINGS GO THAT GO IN THERE, THEY PULL IT OUT, THEY DUMP IT, AND THEN THEY PUT IT BACK IN, IT'LL BE YEAH. ADJACENT TO THAT AREA. YEAH. SO IT'D BE DRIVING UP EFFECTIVELY RIGHT UP TO THAT SPOT. OKAY. YEAH. YEAH. THANK YOU. UH, LET'S SEE. I KNOW A FEW FOLKS HAVE PROBABLY ALREADY REACHED OUT TO YOU ABOUT THIS. I KNOW WE'VE GOTTEN COMMENTS ON IT. HAVE YOU CONSIDERED THE INCLUSION OF A SENIOR ACTIVATION OR EXERCISE PARK BY THE TOT LOT? YES. YES, WE HAVE. UH, THAT WAS ACTUALLY A, UH, A COMMENT, NOT FROM A NEIGHBOR, BUT FROM, FROM FROM SOMEONE ELSE THAT REACHED OUT TO US. WE WOULD, UH, LOVE TO ENTERTAIN THE IDEA OF PUTTING, UH, EXERCISE MACHINES WHERE SENIORS CAN USE NEAR THE TOT LOT. UM, AND, UH, WE HAVE A, A MEETING SET UP TOMORROW WITH, UH, THE GENTLEMAN THAT'S IN CHARGE OF THAT AREA. OKAY. FOR THE CITY OFFICIAL, I THINK DREW, DREW, UH, WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT HOW WE CAN IMPROVE, UH, THAT PARK, INCLUDING ADDING BENCHES. UH, SO IT CAN BE A LITTLE MORE USABLE. RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST A GRASS FIELD AND THE TOT LOT. ALRIGHT. SO THERE'S A LONG TERM INTENTION TO GET THERE. YEAH. UH, WILL BE, YOU BE REACHING OUT TO OUR SENIOR COMMISSION AND OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT AS WELL, JUST TO INCLUDE THEM IN THAT PROCESS. OF COURSE WE WOULD, WE'LL BRING 'EM IN THE COMMUNICATION LOOP IF YOU LET US KNOW WHO THAT PERSON IS. THANK YOU. YEAH, FOR THE SENIOR COMMISSION THAT ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE'S RIGHT BEHIND YOU, HER NAME IS NICOLA. OKAY. OKAY. I, I DIDN'T MAKE THE CONNECTION IMMEDIATELY. YES. WE'LL BE, WE'RE, WE'RE ALREADY IN CONTACT. THANK YOU. UH, THIS MIGHT, THIS QUESTION MIGHT BE FOR, UH, EITHER THE APPLICANT OR STAFF. I'M NOT SURE WHO HAS THIS HANDY FOR DISPLAY. I HAD MISSED, WELL, GOING THROUGH THIS, I HAD JUST MISSED ANY KIND OF A, A VISUAL LAYOUT TO SHOW WHAT THIS ACTIVATION'S GONNA LOOK LIKE. I SAW THE, THE EXACT NUMBER OF CHAIRS AND CHAIRS AND TABLES. IT, YOU TALK A LOT ABOUT IT IN THE, THE STAFF REPORT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SEE WHAT IS THAT GOING TO LOOK LIKE ON THE FIRST FLOOR? DO YOU HAVE A LAYOUT IN MIND ALREADY? THE, THE OUTSIDE ENGAGEMENT? NOT THE, NOT THE RETAIL SPACE IN THE PARK, YOU MEAN? YOU MEAN OUTDOOR DINING? MM-HMM, . OH, SORRY. THE OUTDOOR DINING. UM, WELL, AND PART OF MY QUESTION TOO IS, IS LISTED AS OUTSIDE ACTIVATION, WHICH I ASSUME IS IN DIRECT REFERENCE TO WHAT COMMISSIONER KELLY BROUGHT UP OF HAVING THESE ACTIVATED SPACES WHERE PEOPLE CAN ENGAGE. SO I SAW THE LIST OF, I BELIEVE IT WAS 13 TABLES, 13 CHAIRS AND BENCHES. RIGHT. IS THAT ALL FOR JUST DINING? IS IT GOING TO BE GENERAL ENGAGEMENT AROUND THE KIND OF FIRST FLOOR, THE FRONTAGE AREA TOWARDS THE TOWN GREEN? OR IS IT GOING TO BE ALL IN THE BACK? WELL, I, I WOULD, UH, ANTICIPATE, UH, WE HAVE A, UH, CHAIRS, DINING TABLES [01:35:01] AND CHAIRS, UH, AROUND THE RESTAURANT AREA. UH, I THINK LOOK LIKE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S COMING UP THERE. SO IT WOULD BE SORT OF MANAGED BY RESTAURANT STAFF AND PEOPLE COULD SIT OUTSIDE AND HAVE A DRINK, HAVE FOOD. OKAY. SO THAT ACTIVATION WILL BE ENTIRELY DEPENDENT ON THE RESTAURANT? YES. ALRIGHT. AND THEN DID YOU, 'CAUSE I KNOW THIS WAS ANOTHER THING THAT OUR LATE COMMISSIONER BROUGHT UP, UH, JUST THAT IDEA OF, I THINK YOU TALKED ABOUT STOOPS FOR A WHILE, BUT ALSO PORCHES, THAT IDEA OF THOSE COMMON ACTIVATION SPACES THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY ATTACHED TO A RETAIL VENUE. UH, DID THAT COME UP WHEN GOING OVER CONSIDERING REDESIGN OR IS JUST NOT CONSIDERED AT THIS TIME? UH, I THINK WE'LL HAVE SOME BENCHES IN THE FRONT ALONG THE SIDEWALK THAT ANYONE CAN SIT ON. UH, THAT'S NEIGHBORS. OUR RESIDENTS, THEY'LL JUST BE EMPTY BENCHES, I THINK. I SEE SOME ARE THOSE BENCHES? DO YOU SEE THE BENCHES? YEAH. YEAH. I THINK WE'VE ADDED, UH, QUITE A BIT OF SEATING OPPORTUNITIES, UM, WITHIN THE, THE NEW LANDSCAPE DESIGN IN TERMS OF STOOPS, IF THAT WAS WHAT THE QUESTION WAS AROUND. UM, IT'S NOT, UH, SUPER FEASIBLE FOR THE ACTIVE RETAIL SPACE, GIVEN THE SIZE OF IT AND THE ACCESSIBILITY CONCERNS. UM, WE DON'T HAVE RESIDENTIAL ON THE FIRST FLOOR THAT HAS AN ACCESSIBLE INTERIOR ACCESS POINT WHERE THAT MIGHT BE A MORE APPROPRIATE, UH, OPTION. RIGHT. I WAS THINKING PRIMARILY ALONG THAT TRANSACTION POINT THAT YOU HAVE GOING STRAIGHT THROUGH, UH, LIKE SEATING IN THAT AREA. MM-HMM. OR LOOKS LIKE, YEAH, THERE, THERE'S BENCHES AND OTHER SEATING IN THAT AREA. UM, BUT, BUT NOT LIKE RAISED ENTRIES LIKE, LIKE STOOPS. OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU. CHAIR HOOPER. UM, SO I, I SHOWED ON THE SCREEN, SO THERE, THE PLANS INDICATE THESE THREE BENCHES IN THE BREEZEWAY IS KIND OF THOSE BROWN AREAS. IS THAT I, THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT. I APPRECIATE THE LAYOUT OF THESE PLANS HAVING BEEN THROUGH THIS ENOUGH THOUGH. I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF FAITH IN THESE RENDERINGS IF ONLY BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN THROUGH TOO MANY PROJECTS WHERE IT LOOKS LOVELY AS A LAYOUT AND THEN IT IS WHATEVER IT IS BY THE TIME IT'S DEVELOPED. MM-HMM. . SO I JUST WANTED TO GET SOME ACTUAL CLARIFICATION AND DIRECT ANSWERS ON IT. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. AND THEN FIVE, TRYING TO MAKE SURE MOST OF WHAT I WANTED TO COVER ALREADY CAME UP. JUST SCANNING ONE MORE TIME. THAT IS IT FOR NOW. THANK YOU. UH, WITH THIS, CAN I JUST ASK ONE QUICK FOLLOW UP QUESTION? GO AHEAD. UM, JUST AS A FOLLOW UP TO, UM, COMMISSIONER MOSES' QUESTIONS, WHAT IS THE WIDTH OF THAT ALLEYWAY? I, I COULDN'T FIND IT ON THE, OH, SORRY. WHAT IS THE WIDTH OF THE ALLEYWAY? OH, THANK YOU. OKAY. I BELIEVE IT'S 14. I'M GONNA 14 MEASURE IT WHILE WE'RE SITTING HERE, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S 14. OKAY. WOULD IT BE PERMISSIBLE? UM, I DON'T KNOW WHO THIS MIGHT BE DIRECTED AT TO HAVE DELIVERIES IN THE, UM, ALLEYWAY IN ADDITION OR INSTEAD OF IN FRONT WE COULD DO IT, UH, ALTHOUGH MAYBE IN THE BACK, UH, WOULD BE LESS, UH, INTRUSIVE IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT FROM THE, FROM THE, 'CAUSE EVERYTHING'S ORIENTED TOWARDS THE BACK. YEAH, NO, I'M JUST, I'M JUST ASKING IF THAT WOULD BE PERMISSIBLE BY OH, JUST IN GENERAL? YEAH. YEAH, JUST IN GENERAL. I DON'T KNOW. OKAY. THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO CLARIFY. THANKS. I JUST WANNA GO BACK TO THE EV BIKES, UM, SENIORS USE, UM, TRIKES NOW. AND SO WE NEED TO LOOK, MAKE SURE THAT THAT SPACE ACTUALLY, UM, PROVIDES ENOUGH SPACE FOR LARGER BIKES BECAUSE THE WAY IT WAS SET UP, IT'S JUST KIND OF STACKED. AND SO I'M WONDERING IF THE STACKING IS THAT ELECTRIC AND HOW DO THE BIKES GET ON THE RACKS THAT WERE SHOWN? AND WHAT SIZE IS THAT STORAGE AREA FOR BIKES? BECAUSE MORE SENIORS ARE USING TRIKES EV ONES OR, UM, JUST, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE POWERED. SO IS THAT, HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THAT? NOT JUST [01:40:01] TWO WHEEL BIKES? UM, RIGHT NOW THE LAYOUT ACCOMMODATES STANDARD TWO WHEEL BIKES AND EV TWO WHEEL BIKES, UM, WE PROBABLY COULD FIT THE LONG ONE OR TWO LONGER TRIKES IN WHAT WE HAVE THERE OR THE, UH, RECUMBENT BICYCLES OR OTHER OPTIONS. UM, I THINK THERE'S ALSO SOME FLEXIBILITY WITH SOME OF THE BACK OF HOUSE AND, AND THE, THE LINE WITH THE, THE PURPLE AREA WHERE WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SHIFT SLIGHTLY IF IT WAS IMPORTANT TO GET MORE SPACE IN THERE. OKAY. I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF THE NEW TREND AND IT'S ONLY GONNA GET MORE AND MORE SO, UM, AND TWO WHEEL BIKES DON'T SEEM TO ACCOMMODATE EVERYBODY IN A SENIOR LIVING. SO, AND, UM, AS FAR AS THE HANDICAP, I THINK WE NEED A LOT MORE HANDICAP, YOU KNOW, SPACE. I MEAN, THIS IS A SENIOR AREA, AND SO NOT TO HAVE JUST SUCH, SO FEW DOESN'T SEEM TO MAKE ANY SENSE. YEAH. OUR RESIDENTS ARE NOT EXPECTED TO HAVE CARS HERE. WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UH, UH, FULL-TIME DRIVER WITH THE CAR THAT WILL TAKE 'EM AROUND WHEREVER THEY WANT TO GO. SO OUT OF ALL OF THE RESIDENTS, THERE AREN'T GONNA BE ANY CARS. WE, WE DON'T EXPECT THEM TO HAVE CARS. WE HAVE A FULL-TIME DRIVER AND A VAN TO TAKE HIM TO THEIR TRANSPORTATION. IT'S LIKE IN OUR BERKELEY PROJECT, WE HAVE ONE RESIDENT THAT PARKS THEIR CAR THERE. I DID NOTICE THAT. YEAH. IT WAS FAIRLY VACANT WHEN I DOWN AND THERE WAS NOBODY PARKED THERE. THIS WAS, AND SO, AND THEN, SO IF AT THE, THE MORE AADA A THE MORE AADA A YOU HAVE TO REMOVE ONE PARKING SPOT TO MAKE, RIGHT. SO YOU HAVE TWO PARKING SPOTS FOR EVERY A DA VAN. SO YOU JUST REDUCING PARKING SPACES BY DOING THAT. OKAY. IT JUST SEEMS TO BE A TREND THAT WE NEED MORE AADA A AND SO I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT A LITTLE BIT MORE. AND I WANNA GO BACK TO THE TREES, UM, THAT ARE CHOSEN. UM, THAT BUILDING IN THE BACK, FIRST OF ALL, THE RENDITIONS THAT WE SAW WERE VERY DIFFICULT. WE COULDN'T REALLY SEE WHAT THE PLANS WERE. UM, AND SO DO THESE PARTICULAR TREES, I MEAN, DO THEY GET TO A HEIGHT THAT WOULD ACTUALLY SOFTEN THE BACK OF THAT BUILDING? BECAUSE I MEAN, IF THOSE TREES WERE IN 2014, WE MAY BE OF UPDATED TREES THAT WE WOULD USE TODAY. UM, I'M NOT THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, SO I'M GONNA DO MY BEST TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. I, WE HAVEN'T SPECIFIED MOST OF THE PLANTING AT THIS POINT. THE TREES THAT ARE ON THE, THE, UH, OPPOSITE OF THE TOT LOT SIDE, UM, I THINK WE HAVE SPECIFIED PER THE CITY REQUIREMENT. UM, AS PER THE STAFF'S REPORT, I DON'T KNOW HOW TALL THAT SPECIES GETS, BUT I IMAGINE THAT IT'LL BE AT LEAST HALF THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING AND, AND SOFTEN IT KIND OF STEP IT MASSLY. AND HOW IS, HOW IS THAT REVIEWED IN-HOUSE? BECAUSE I GUESS THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AFTER TO DETERMINE YES. HOW, HOW MANY TREES AND WHAT SIZE? SO THE PRELIMINARY LANDSCAPE PLAN WOULD, WOULD SET FORTH THE, THE DESIGN FOR THE LANDSCAPE, AND THEN WHEN THE FINAL, UH, LANDSCAPE PLAN IS SUBMITTED AT WHERE THE LANDSCAPE PLAN IS SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE BUILDING PERMIT, THEN STAFF REVIEW IT, UH, PLANNING STAFF REVIEW IT FOR CONSISTENCY IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE APPROVED, UM, THE DESIGN APPROVED IN THE PRELIMINARY DESIGN PLAN, AND THEN PUBLIC WORK STAFF APPROVE IT FOR COMPLIANCE WITH WAY LOW AND OTHER, UM, REGULATIONS. WHAT I, I MIGHT SUGGEST THAT THE COMMISSION DO WITH REGARD TO THE TREES TO THE REAR OF THE LOT, SINCE THE APPLICANT HASN'T SPECIFIED A TREE SPECIES FOR CONSIDERATION, THAT THE, UH, THE, UM, COMMISSION USE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL TO DIRECT, UM, ONE OR TWO TREE SPECIES THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO OFFER BOTH THE SHADE AND SCREENING THAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING. UM, I THINK THERE'S RECENT TALK ABOUT A, A WESTERN SYCAMORE. YOU READ MY MIND. THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION. SURE. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND, UM, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD'VE BEEN GREAT IF WE COULD HAVE ACTUALLY HAD THAT INFORMATION BECAUSE I WAS LOOKING IN THE LANDSCAPE JUST DIDN'T GIVE ENOUGH DETAIL. IT WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, LITTLE GROUND ROUND, UM, TREES. AND DO WE KNOW HOW MANY ARE GONNA BE PLANTED? WE WOULD ASSUME THE NUMBER OF TREES PLANTED IS INDICATED BY THE, UM, THE SHAPE ON THE PRELIMINARY LANDSCAPE PLAN. SO I DO, I DO AGREE THAT IT WAS AN ERROR TO ACCEPT THE PRELIMINARY LANDSCAPE PLAN WITHOUT, UM, THE PLANTINGS BEING MORE FURTHER DESCRIBED BY SPECIES AND NUMBER. RIGHT. AND, AND CAN I JUST CLARIFY SOMETHING? YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT THESE TREES ARE, UM, THEY'RE NOT ON, ON THE PROPERTY LINE, BUT THEY'RE ALREADY PLANTED. THEY'RE ALREADY [01:45:01] THERE. THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY, THEY, THEY'RE KIND OF FULL. I'M LOOKING AT THE PICTURE. MAYBE I CAN SHARE IT WITH YOU. OKAY. WELL YOU'LL GET THE, I DROVE AROUND TONIGHT AND I DIDN'T REALLY SEE ANY TREES , SO THEY'RE, THEY CERTAINLY WEREN'T GREEN. YEAH. THE, THE PLANS DO NOT INDICATE TREES ON THE ALLEY SIDE, ON THE PROJECT SITE. THERE ARE EXISTING SEVERAL EXISTING TREES IN THE PARK JUST ON THE PARK SIDE OF THE ALLEY THERE. THERE REALLY IS NO SPACE FOR TREES IN THE ALLEY. UH, THERE IS SPACE FOR SOME VINES OR SOME VERY, YOU KNOW, ER TYPES OF, OF VEGETATION. UH, IN THE BACK, UH, ON THE ALLEY SIDE, UH, THE PLANS DO INDICATE STREET TREES THAT WERE APPROVED. UM, AND THOSE ARE THE CHINESE PIT PASTURE TREES. I BELIEVE THERE'S, UH, EIGHT OR SO, UH, TREES THAT WERE APPROVED, UM, ALONG THE PROJECT FRONTAGE. AND THEN, UM, ON THE, UH, ON THE ALLEY SIDE, UM, AGAIN, THERE'S SEVERAL TREES IN THE PARK THAT WERE PLANTED BUT NOT, UH, INDICATED ON THE ACTUAL PROJECT SITE. OKAY. UM, THAT'S KIND OF HARD TO SHADE SOMETHING WHEN YOU DON'T EVEN REALLY REALIZE YOU KNOW, WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE BECAUSE THAT IS A VERY STARK BUILDING. AND WHAT IS THE DISTANCE, UM, BETWEEN THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND THE FOUR LOTS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN BUILT ON YET? AND THEN THERE'S, YEAH. YEAH. SO THAT ALLEY IS ACTUALLY 24 FEET WIDE. UH, I PULLED UP THE FINAL MAP FOR, FOR THE PROJECT. AND, UH, SO IT'S A 20 AND RESPONSE TO YOUR PRIOR QUESTION, IT'S 24 FOOT WIDE ALLEY. SO, UH, FROM THE BACK OF THE BUILDING TO THE, UH, UH, PROPERTY LINE, COMMON PROPERTY LINE, UH, BETWEEN THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES, UH, IT'S 24 FEET AND THEN THOSE BUILDINGS ARE, ARE SET BACK, YOU KNOW, I THINK 10 TO TO 15 FEET. I DON'T, SO MAYBE 30 FEET, THE HOUSE IS GONNA BE FROM THAT SOUNDS REASONABLE. YES. UH, WITHOUT PULLING UP AN ACTUAL SET OF PLANS, UH, I OKAY. WAS THERE ANY, UM, YOU KNOW, STUDY DONE TO, YOU KNOW, TO LOOK AT WHERE THE HOUSE IS AND HOW THEY WOULD BE LOOKING AT THE BACK OF THE BUILDING? IT'S KINDA LIKE WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT FOR THE DOWNTOWN OVERLAYS, YOU KNOW, AND THEY WERE LOOKING AT, UM, SHADOW LINES AND JUST DIFFERENT SIGHT LINES. YEAH. THAT WOULD'VE BEEN REALLY NICE TO HAVE SEEN IN THIS PLAN BECAUSE THAT'S VERY CLOSE, THOSE RESIDENTIAL HOMES TO A VERY TALL BUILDING AND 24 OR 30 FEET IS NOT VERY FAR. YEAH. SO IN TERMS OF, UH, SHADE, THE PROJECT IS NORTH OF THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE WOULD BE LITTLE, IF ANY SHADOW CAST ONTO RIGHT ONTO THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. UM, IT'S MORE SIGHT, I GUESS. YEAH. AND THEN IN TERMS OF, OF THE, UH, AESTHETICS, THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE, OF THE SPAR REVIEW IS TO MAKE SURE THAT AMONG OTHER THINGS THAT THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING IS, IS SOMETHING THAT'S COMPATIBLE WITH, UH, WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND MEETS ALL OF THE OTHER SPAR FINDINGS. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S A BIG BLANK WALL, UH, RIGHT NEXT TO HOMES. AND THEN I WANNA GO BACK TO THE, UM, THE ALL AGE, UM, ADULT PARK. I GUESS IT'S FROM FIVE AND ABOVE THAT CAN USE THAT. UM, IF THAT STRUCTURE'S PUT IN, WELL FIRST OF ALL, IF IT'S GONNA BE NEXT TO THE TOT LOT, IS THERE A DRINKING FOUNTAIN AND A FOUNTAIN FOR DOGS ALSO IN THE EXISTING PARK? OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, THAT'S IT FOR NOW. AND THEN AS FAR AS THE DOUBLE DOORS, ACTUALLY THE, THE DOORS SHOULD BE INCLUDED. UM, SO YOU CAN ACCESS THE ELEVATORS. THAT WOULD BE A GOOD AMENITY. YEAH. YEAH. THE APPLICANT INDICATED THAT THE, UH, HALLWAY BETWEEN THE SEPARATING THE VESTIBULE WHERE THE ELEVATORS ARE MM-HMM. , UM, FROM THE DOUBLE DOORS THAT THAT COULD BE REMOVED, UH, KIND OF IN THAT CORRIDOR BETWEEN THE OFFICES TO PROVIDE A, A SHORTER, LESS CIRCUITOUS ROUTE, UH, TO THE ELEVATORS. AND, AND THEN THE SPACE THAT COULD BE USED FOR, UM, THE COMMUNITY. CAN THAT SPACE ALSO BE USED, UH, BY THE COMMUNITY FOR COMMUNITY MEETINGS, OR WOULD IT JUST BE, COULD THAT BE ACCESSIBLE? SO THE SPACES THAT ARE, UH, OPEN TO THE, TO THE PUBLIC WHERE THOSE, UH, AREAS SHOWN IN THE KIND OF PURPLE OR LAVENDER COLOR ON THE, ON THE FLOOR PLANS. UM, LET ME, UH, BRING THAT BACK UP. [01:50:01] SO ALL OF THESE AREAS ARE ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC, UH, AS WELL AS THESE SPACES OVER ON, ON THIS SIDE. AND THEN THE, OBVIOUSLY THE, THE BREEZEWAY, I'M THINKING SPECIFICALLY OF THE ONE THAT IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE ART ROOM THAT THEY HAVE IN, UM, IN BERKELEY, WOULD THAT BE ACCESSIBLE IF, IF SOMEBODY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD WANT TO USE IT FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING OR SOMETHING? YEAH, AFTER HOURS OBVIOUSLY IF, UH, SURE. I MEAN, WE CAN MAKE THAT ACCESSIBLE. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU JESSICA. YES. JUST A QUICK FOLLOW UP. I, I KNOW WE ARE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT PARKING AND TRAFFIC. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE REALLY CLEAR HERE, IS THE ALLEY GOING ALL THE WAY THROUGH? IS IT GONNA BE ONE WAY? WE'RE HEARING 24 FEET, WHICH IS THE LOT ROOMIER. UM, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND THE SORT OF FLOW OF VEHICLES IN THAT ALLEY. IT IS A TWO-WAY ALLEY. IT IS A TWO-WAY ALLEY WITH AN OUTLET AT EITHER SIDE. CORRECT. GREAT. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. AND I ACTUALLY DID HAVE ANOTHER FOLLOW UP QUESTION. UH, ONE THING THAT CAME UP FROM US LAST TIME HAD TO DO WITH DIFFERENCES IN ELEVATION AND JUST THE KIND OF STARK EDGE TO THE ROOF LINE. AND I WAS WONDERING IF THERE HAD BEEN ANY CONSIDERATION. I, I DO SEE THAT THERE IS SLIGHT VARIATION AND I DO RECOGNIZE SOME OF THE SETBACK ON THE OTHER SIDE, BUT PRIMARILY FROM THE VANTAGE POINT OF THE CENTRAL GREEN. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT POSSIBLY ADJUSTING THAT A LITTLE BIT OR AT LEAST SOFTENING IT? SOFTENING IT SO IT, IT LOOKS A LITTLE MORE IN LINE WITH THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS SURROUNDING IT? UM, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. WE ACTUALLY EXPLORED, UH, A FEW DIFFERENT ROOF LINE OPTIONS AFTER GETTING THAT COMMENT. AND, UH, WHAT WE ENDED UP LOOKING AT FELT LIKE IT WAS A, A BUILDING, UH, THAT WAS KIND OF FIGHTING ITSELF. IT WAS STYLISTICALLY NOT IN KEEPING WITH ITS OWN LANGUAGE. AND SO WE, WE TRIED REALLY HARD TO DO IT AND FELT LIKE IT DID A DISSERVICE TO THE OVERALL DESIGN AND, AND FELT LIKE THIS WAS MORE COHESIVE AND REPRESENTED A BETTER PROJECT. I I WILL ALSO SAY, NOT TO DIVERGE TOO FAR, THE, UH, EASEMENT THAT WE'RE PROVIDING, NOT THE EASEMENT, BUT THE PATH IS ACTUALLY 16 FEET. IT'S A LITTLE WIDER. I JUST MEASURED. GOOD. THANK YOU. THE BREEZEWAY. PARDON ME? THAT'S THE BREEZEWAY. MM-HMM. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THAT WAS MY FOLLOW UP. AND IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, WE WILL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE, AS I ACCIDENTALLY TURNED MY OWN MIC OFF. I AM DOING VERY WELL TONIGHT. SO, UH, I'D LIKE TO ASK THE CLERK IF WE'VE RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THIS ITEM PRIOR TO THE MEETING. YES, WE RECEIVED, UH, SIX PUBLIC COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING, ALL OF WHICH ARE ONLINE ON THE CITY WEBSITE AND THEY'RE ALSO IN THE BACK, UH, FOR COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO VIEW. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND WITH THAT, WE ARE GOING TO GO INTO PUBLIC COMMENT. I'M GONNA INVITE, I'M GONNA START READING CARDS AS THEY CAME IN ORDER, BUT I'M GONNA INVITE FOLKS WHO HAVE YET TO PROVIDE A YELLOW CARD. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GIVE A PUBLIC COMMENT AND YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY, PLEASE GRAB A CARD, THEY'RE IN THE BACK AND DROP IT OFF WITH OUR CLERK. WE'LL GO FROM THERE. UH, LET ME KNOW, ARE WE READY TO GO? EXCELLENT. WITH THAT, OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS DAVE DEN IS OUR CLOCK. I SHOULD BE WATCHING THE, THE THE THREE IS GONNA BE WORKING TONIGHT. VERY GOOD, THANK YOU. THANKS FOR HEARING ME THIS EVENING. UH, I'VE SPOKEN ON THIS PROJECT BEFORE. ADMITTEDLY I WAS PREVIOUSLY SKEPTICAL OF IT. WHEN I LOOK AT THE VISION OF WHAT RIVERFRONT WAS GOING TO BE AND WHAT THE 15 MINUTE NEIGHBORHOOD CONCEPT IS, SENIOR LIVING AT THAT SITE JUST DIDN'T SEEM TO PROVIDE THE ACTIVATION THAT I THINK WE ALL WANTED OVER TIME. I'VE CHANGED MY MIND FOUR REASONS FOR THAT. IT'S A DIFFICULT CONSTRUCTION MARKET. WE MAY NOT SEE ANYTHING BUILT FOR A WHILE. THIS PROJECT, EVEN IF IT ISN'T, EVERYTHING I MIGHT HAVE WISHED IS BETTER THAN A BARE LOT. SO I SUPPORT IT FOR THAT REASON. SECOND, I HAVE TALKED WITH THE APPLICANTS AND LEARNED THAT CONGREGATE DINING IS NOT A REQUIREMENT FOR RESIDENTS THERE. IF PEOPLE CHOOSE TO PASS ON THAT AND WANNA GO DOWNSTAIRS ONTO THE SIDEWALK AND BUY GROCERIES, DINE OUT, ALL OF WHICH AS TO ACTIVATION, THEY CAN DO THAT. I'M [01:55:01] THRILLED BY THAT. I HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF OPPORTUNITIES TO INTERACT WITH THE APPLICANTS. I'VE KNOWN A LOT OF DEVELOPERS IN MY LIFE. SOME I LIKE, SOME I DIDN'T. THESE I LIKE, THEY'RE EARNEST, THEY'RE PLEASANT. THEY'D BE A GOOD ADDITION TO OUR COMMUNITY. I TRUST THEM MORE THAN I TRUST A LOT OF DEVELOPERS I'VE MET. AND THEN LASTLY, THIS IS 106 HOUSING UNITS. YOU KNOW, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ARGUE WHETHER OR NOT SENIORS NEED THOSE UNITS. THEY PROBABLY DO, BUT THEY'LL BE EXPENSIVE. BUT EVERYBODY WHO MOVES INTO ONE OF THOSE UNITS, IT PROBABLY IS LEAVING BEHIND A HOME SOMEWHERE ELSE ELSE IN PETALUMA THAT BECOMES AVAILABLE FOR A FAMILY WORKERS, YOU KNOW, THIS, THESE ARE HOUSING UNITS THAT DO ADDRESS, MAYBE THEY DON'T COUNT AGAINST RENA, BUT THEY SHOULD BECAUSE THEY TRUE DO THEY DO FREE UP OTHER UNITS, WHICH IS A GREAT THING. SO I SUPPORT THE PROJECT, BUT WITH THREE CONCERNS STILL, YOU'VE HEARD SOME CONVERSATIONS AND I HAD ABOUT THE PARK AND REC AMENITIES. I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE THE PARK AND REC FACILITIES, THE CENTRAL GREEN, THE TOT LOT, THE PLAY FIELD MODIFIED IN WAYS SO THAT SENIORS CAN MAKE GOOD USE OF IT. IT BECOMES PART OF THE INTERGEN INTERGENERATIONAL MODE. FORTUNATELY, THE APPLICANT'S MEETING TOMORROW WITHDREW HALTER TO HAVE EXACTLY THAT CONVERSATION. THE VAN GOING DOWNTOWN. YOU'VE PROBABLY HEARD ME SAY BEFORE, I WOULD PREFER TO SEE DOWNTOWN TRANSIT INTEGRATED BETWEEN THE SENIOR LIVING AND THE OTHER, THE RESIDENTS THERE. RIVERFRONT 500 HOPPER OYSTER COVE. LUCKILY, FORTUNATELY THE APPLICANT'S MEETING TOMORROW WITH JARED HALL TO HAVE THAT EXACT CONVERSATION. SO IT SORT OF GOES BACK TO MY COMMENTS EARLIER ABOUT THIS IS A BETTER DEVELOPER THAN WE SOMETIMES SEE. AND THEN LASTLY, AND THIS IS A SORE POINT FOR ME, HOW WE HANDLE TRAFFIC IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING. I KNOW IT'S NOT THE DEVELOPER'S PROBLEM IN THIS CASE. WHEN THAT PROJECT ORIGINALLY CAME FORTH, THERE WERE SIX DIFFERENT, UH, CROSSWALKS TO THE CENTRAL GREEN. FOUR OF THOSE ARE TAKEN OUT FOR TRAFFIC SAFETY, FOR PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, WHICH I THINK IS COMPLETELY BACKWARDS. THE MORE CROSSWALKS YOU HAVE, THE MORE THEY'RE RAISED. YOU SLOW TRAFFIC, YOU MAKE IT FEEL LIKE A PLACE FOR PEDESTRIANS, NOT CARS. I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE US HAVE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT GETTING BACK TO THE, A VISION OF 10 YEARS AGO. IT WAS A BETTER SORRY. YOUR TIME'S UP. I KNOW. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND NEXT WE HAVE, I BELIEVE IT'S CHRIS, AND AFTER THAT, WE WILL HAVE ASH ME. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. CHRIS RELOW. I AM, UH, ONE OF THE CHAMPIONS OF AGE-FRIENDLY PETALUMA HERE IN TOWN, BUT I'M HERE AS AN INDIVIDUAL. UM, I ALSO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT, UM, WITH SOME CONSIDERATIONS. UM, I LOVE THE INTERGENERATIONAL ASPECT OF IT. I'M, THAT'S LIKE ONE OF MY PASSIONS. AND IF THEY CAN REALLY PULL IT OFF AND ENGAGE THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD, I THINK THAT COULD BE A GREAT MODEL. UM, I'M NOT A DESIGN EXPERT. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENTION TO THAT. SO, UM, UH, I LIKE THE IDEA OF COMBINING THE TOT PARK WITH ADULT EQUIPMENT. NICOLA HERE HAS ALREADY DONE SOME RESEARCH. THERE IS EQUIPMENT THAT IS SPECIFICALLY FOR SENIORS THAT WOULD MIX REALLY WELL IN OR NEAR A TOT PARK. UM, I'VE TALKED TO THE DEVELOPERS AND I'VE SHARED MY WORST FEARS WITH THEM ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT. AND MY WORST FEAR IS THAT ONCE IT'S BUILT, FOLKS FROM MARIN, SAN FRANCISCO AND THE SOUTH BAY ARE GONNA COME HERE TO LIVE. AND IT'S NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING FOR THOSE OF US IN PETALUMA. WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THAT. I'VE TALKED TO THE DEVELOPERS, THEY ASSURE ME THAT THERE IS MARKET HERE AND THAT THEY WILL BE MARKETING THESE LOCALLY IF THIS GETS APPROVED. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WORTH JUST KEEPING AN EYE ON FOR, FOR GOOD FAITH. UM, IT WOULD BE GREAT IF PARENTS OF FOLKS WHO LIVE IN PETALUMA LIVE THERE THAT WOULD GET SOME CARS OFF THE ROAD THAT THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM FOR ME. BUT WHEN I THINK ABOUT PEOPLE FROM SAN JOSE MOVING HERE KIND OF MAKES ME CRAZY. UM, A WORD TO YOU GUYS, EVEN THOUGH I THINK YOU DON'T NEED IT. I THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. UM, SO OBVIOUSLY THIS DEVELOPMENT IS NOT AFFORDABLE. THAT'S NOT A DEAL BREAKER FOR ME FOR SURE, BUT, UM, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT NO ONE ELSE HAS STEPPED UP TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY. BUT JUST BE AWARE, AND THIS IS FOR THE PUBLIC THAT APPROVING THIS PROJECT DOES NOTHING TO ADDRESS THE CRITICAL NEED FOR AFFORDABLE AND ACCESSIBLE HOUSING FOR OLDER ADULTS IN THIS COMMUNITY. SENIORS ARE [02:00:01] BECOMING THE LARGER PERCENTAGE OF THOSE WHO ARE UNHOUSED IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND, UM, I REALLY URGE YOU TO DO WHATEVER YOU CAN TO ADDRESS THAT CRITICAL NEED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND WE'LL HAVE ASH ME FOLLOWED BY ALEXIS. HELLO COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU FOR CONTINUING TO ENTERTAIN OUR COMMENTS AND TAKE OUR FEEDBACK. THANK YOU FOR INCORPORATING, UH, WHAT YOU CAN. UM, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO NOTE THAT THERE IS NOT A CENTRAL GREEN. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE NOT VISITED US, PLEASE COME VISIT. UH, IT IS A TRAFFIC CIRCLE WITH TREES AND BENCHES. THERE IS NOT A PARK IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE, OR AT LEAST WHAT WE ARE TOLD IS A BUNCH OF SOCCER FIELDS. UM, SO WE'RE BASING, UM, ASSUMPTIONS HERE. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT I, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS DISCUSSION IS ABOUT LOT FIVE AND SIX, BUT FROM THE, UM, DOCUMENTS THAT MR. SSU HAS SHARED, UM, VERY KINDLY WITH US, UH, WE'RE GOING FROM A HUNDRED TOTAL APPROVED UNITS AND OVER 230 OR SO REQUIRED PARKING SPACES BY CODE, UH, BETWEEN FIVE AND SIX, UM, TO APPROVING OVER 220 UNITS OR SO WITH MORE LESS THAN ONE 50 OR SO PARKING SPACES. UM, SOMETHING FOR US TO CONSIDER. UM, I HAVE THREE QUESTIONS AND THREE COMMENTS SINCE WE DON'T GET TIME FOR QUESTIONS. UH, ONE, CAN WE CONFIRM THAT THE RESIDENTS ON LOT FIVE, THE SENIOR, UH, INDEPENDENT SENIOR LIVING WILL NOT HAVE CARS. UM, BECAUSE IN ATTACHMENT B TABLE FOUR, IT, THERE'S A DEMAND PARKING DEMAND, UM, ANALYSIS, WHICH IS WHAT THE EIGHT, UM, YOU KNOW, EIGHT PARKING SPOTS GAP IS TALKED ABOUT. THAT IS BASED ON PARKING DEMAND, WHICH HAS ZERO OR NO LINE FOR RESIDENT PARKING IN THERE. THERE'S ONLY ABOUT, I FORGET THE RATIO, BUT, UH, PARKING FOR EMPLOYEES INCLUDED. UM, SO LET'S PLEASE CONFIRM THAT. UM, SECOND 9 44 REDUCED TRIPS. UM, WHAT IS THAT BASED ON? UM, BECAUSE 6.65 TRIPS FOR 40 UNITS AND 2.6 FOR 70 UNITS SEEMS A LITTLE STRANGE. UM, AND THIRD, THERE IS CURRENTLY A FUTURE BUS STOPS. UM, SUPPOSED TO BE THERE, THERE'S A SIGN ALREADY. WHERE WILL THAT BE GOING? MY THREE COMMENTS. UM, AGAIN, UH, LOT FIVE PARKING. THAT IS ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM FOR US. I UNDERSTAND THIS GROUP DOES NOT WANT TOO MUCH PARKING. UM, AND I DON'T LIKE IT. I ACCEPT IT. BUT CAN WE PLEASE AT LEAST HAVE SOME DEMAND FOR RESIDENTS INCLUDED IN THAT PARKING? UM, SECOND, UH, SPIRIT LIVING, CAN THEY EXTEND THE SHUTTLE, THE SMART SHUTTLE THAT IS BEING PLANNED, UM, TO RESIDENTS OF THE OVERALL AREA BECAUSE THERE'S, UH, TO REDUCE THE PARKING CONGESTION. UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PEER-TO-PEER PARKING WAS ALL ABOUT BECAUSE THERE SEEMED TO BE ASSUMING THERE'S NO RESIDENT PARKING. UM, BUT THERE'S, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS PEER-TO-PEER PARKING THAT IS MENTIONED AS REDUCING CAR CONGESTION, TRAFFIC, PARKING NEEDS, ET CETERA, IS. UM, AND LASTLY, UM, UH, UM, MY COMMENT, CAN WE INCREASE THE COMMERCIAL AND REDUCE THE BUILDING WIDTH EVEN BY T SIX? THIS IS VERY BROAD. UM, AND YOU'VE ASKED FOR 30,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL ACROSS LOT FIVE AND SIX. THERE IS CURRENTLY 5,800 SQUARE FEET. UM, SO SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. LASTLY, I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION TO PLEASE HAVE A MEETING THAT HAS HOLISTIC DISCUSSION ACROSS KENNEL, CALL FIELD, SPIRIT, TOWNHOMES, ET CETERA. AT SOME POINT WE'RE PIECEMEALING THE DISCUSSION HERE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT, UH, ALEXIS, FOLLOWED BY DANIELLE. HI COMMISSIONERS. UM, I'M ALEXIS MEREDITH. I ALSO LIVE IN RIVERFRONT. I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF THE RIVERFRONT HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. UM, I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT PARKING, OBVIOUSLY. UM, AGAIN, IF THE RESIDENTS ARE EXPECTED TO PARK, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE PARKING, RESIDENTIAL PARKING PERMITS. I WOULD LIKE THE PARKING SPACES RESERVED FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE USING THE PARK AND ARE CUSTOMERS OF THE COMMERCIAL SPACES THAT ARE GOING TO BE PUT IN THE BUILDING. IF YOU'RE PROPOSING TO EXTEND CALL FIELD AND THEN CUT OVER AND GO RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD, YOU NOW ARE SAYING ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE GONNA PARK ON AT THE RECENT PUBLIC HEARING THAT YOU HAD AROUND THE CAULFIELD EX BRIDGE. YOU'RE ESTIMATING 13,000 CARS A DAY GOING THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION THAT TRANSLATES TO 13 CARS A MINUTE. IT IS NOT GONNA BE SAFE FOR ANYONE TO WALK ACROSS THAT GREEN WITH THAT NUMBER OF CARS. AND IF YOU HAVE OLDER, UM, RESIDENTS TRYING TO CROSS THE ROAD, WE ARE GONNA GET ROADS RATE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD OF PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA BE SO FRUSTRATED GOING THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION. THEY'RE THEN GONNA CUT THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AS THEY GO OVER THE BRIDGE. WE REALLY NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT AREA IS SAFE. ALL THE RENDERINGS OF THE DRAWING, WHICH ARE BEAUTIFUL BY THE WAY, HAVE ONE OR TWO CARS IN THEM. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE 13 CARS A MINUTE IF YOUR OWN STAFF'S ESTIMATES ARE CORRECT OF THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT ARE GONNA BE [02:05:01] GOING OVER THAT BRIDGE. SO WE NEED TO BALANCE, WE CAN'T BE HAVING PEOPLE GOING ACROSS THAT INTERSECTION TO GO TO THEIR CAR IF THE PARKING IS ON LOT SIX FOR LOT FIVE. SO IT'S ONLY GONNA WORK IF THE RESIDENTS DON'T HAVE PARKING. AND IF THE, I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND HOW MANY EMPLOYEES ARE NOW EXPECTED TO BE WORKING AT THE FACILITY WITH THE COMMERCIAL AND THE SENIOR LIVING. IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD THAT EXTENSION OF CAULFIELD TO GO IN, CAN THERE BE EMPLOYEE PARKING OVER THERE? WE ALSO, RATHER THAN HAVING THE EMPLOYEES COMPETING FOR SPACES OF CUSTOMERS AND POTENTIALLY RESIDENTS ALSO, WE HAD A MEETING RECENTLY WITH THE HOTEL. THE HOTEL IS STARTING TO STRUGGLE BECAUSE OF THE HOMELESS SITUATION IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY ARE GETTING, UH, UH, CUSTOMERS NOT COMING TO THE HOTEL AND GETTING COMPLAINTS ONLINE. WE DO THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE RECENTLY TO HELP WITH THAT SITUATION, BUT I WANNA BE VERY CAREFUL THAT NOTHING THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN NOW TAKES BUSINESS FURTHER AWAY FROM THE HOTEL. THERE IS A RESTAURANT OR BISTRO ALREADY IN THE HOTEL AND THERE ALREADY IS A CONFERENCE ROOM THAT IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. UM, I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF MAYBE HAVING OTHER AMENITIES THERE THAT AREN'T TAKING A BUSINESS AWAY FROM THE HOTEL. THAT IS AN AMAZING ASSET FOR THE RIVERFRONT COMMUNITY AND WE DON'T WANNA LOSE, UM, COURTYARD. THEY'RE A GREAT HOTEL CHAIN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT WE'LL HEAR FROM DANIELLE, FOLLOWED BY DOUG. OKAY. HI, UH, ME AGAIN. OKAY, SO I LIVE IN THE RIVERFRONT COMMUNITY AND UM, I'VE BEEN UP HERE SPEAKING BEFORE, UM, I'M SO SORRY. PARKING, IT'S AN ISSUE AND TRAFFIC. SECONDLY, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO, UH, BASICALLY SUPPORT WHAT ALEXIS IS SAYING WITH THAT 13,000 CARS A DAY COMING THROUGH. UM, UNFORTUNATELY WHEN THE TRAFFIC STUDY WAS DONE FOR THIS PARTICULAR, UH, WHATEVER WE'RE CALLING IT, BUILDING THE CAWFIELD BRIDGE WASN'T ACCOUNTED FOR. SO NOW THAT THE CAWFIELD BRIDGE IS ACCOUNTED FOR AND YOU HAVE THAT 13,000 CARS, IT'S A COMPLETELY UNSAFE AREA FOR ANYBODY. I DON'T CARE IF YOU'RE SENIOR, IF YOU'RE A TEENAGER, WHATEVER, IF YOU'RE A NORMAL ADULT, IT'S NOT SAFE. UM, AND I WOULD PERSONALLY RATHER NOT WAIT UNTIL SOMEBODY GETS HIT BEFORE WE ADDRESS PUTTING IN MORE LIGHTS OR BARRIERS OR BUMPS OR WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO TO GET THAT AREA SAFE. ALSO, UM, IN REFERENCE TO THE CENTRAL GREEN, CAN WE PLEASE NOT CALL IT CENTRAL GREEN? THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NOTHING GREEN ABOUT IT. IT IS A CEMENT AND BENCHES AND SOME NOT SO PRETTY TREES, IN MY OPINION. AND THEN AS FAR AS THE PARK, AGAIN, IT'S NOT A PARK, IT'S A GIANT RECTANGLE OF GRASS. SO I, I LOVE THE IDEA OF THE, UM, MACHINES TO GO OVER THERE FOR PEOPLE TO USE. I THINK THAT'S AWESOME. BUT IT WOULD BE ALSO GREAT FOR US TO GET SOME BENCHES AND SOME CHAIRS AND MAYBE SOME LIGHTING. 'CAUSE IT'S REALLY NOT LIT AT NIGHT. IT'S A DARK HOLE OVER THERE. I REALIZE THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PROJECT IN PARTICULAR THAT WE'RE SPEAKING OF. BUT LIKE ASH ME SAID, IF WE'RE TRYING TO TALK HOLISTICALLY ABOUT THE WHOLE AREA, WE REALLY DO NEED TO ADDRESS EVERYTHING AND RATHER IN ALL ENCOMPASSING, RATHER THAN JUST ONE INDIVIDUAL PROJECT AT A TIME. UM, I REALIZED A LOT OF THAT PROBABLY HAPPENED WITH THE MASTER PLAN PRIOR TO US COMING TO THIS AREA, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF US THAT LIVE IN THE LITTLE RIVERFRONT COMMUNITY. AGAIN, WE WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO COME VISIT AND, UM, WE'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE. SO YOU WILL SEE US ALL THE TIME BECAUSE WE'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT OUR AREA. UH, WE LOVE IT, WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THE PROJECT, WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THE RETAIL THAT'S COMING, BUT WE JUST WANNA MAKE IT SAFE, UM, AND ACCESSIBLE FOR EVERYBODY. AND IF YOU TRULY WANNA BE GREEN ELECTRIC, GREAT ELECTRIC BIKES, GREAT. UH, BUT PARKING IS DEFINITELY, DEFINITELY GONNA BE AN ISSUE. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GONNA ADDRESS THAT, BUT ALEXIS AND ASH ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, WE HAVE DOUG. HELLO. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS DOUG ELLIOTT. I HAD THE PLEASURE OF HAVING MY OFFICE HERE IN PETALUMA BETWEEN 2000 AND 2010 AT FOUNDRY WHARF. MY CO MY COMPANY WAS WORKFORCE HOUSING ASSOCIATES. AND DURING THAT TIMEFRAME, THERE WAS A GREAT DEAL OF, UM, CITIZEN AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AT THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE, [02:10:01] WHICH THIS IS PROJECT IS A PART OF. AND I WAS A PARTICIPANT IN THAT. UM, I WAS ALSO A DIRECTOR AT EH HOUSING FOR 30 YEARS WHERE WE CREATED ABOUT 25,000 UNITS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND, UM, THIS PROJECT, UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE LOOKED AT IN THE GENERAL PLAN, WHAT OUR GOALS AND OBJECTIVES WERE WAS TO CREATE STRONG NEIGHBORHOODS AND TO HAVE A BALANCE OF USE. AND THIS PROJECT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE ENVISIONED DURING THAT PROCESS. IT FROM A, FROM A MACRO STANDPOINT, THERE'S A LOT OF LOCAL ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED, MANY OF WHICH ARE COMMUNITY-WIDE ISSUES, NOT THE PROJECTS ISSUES. UM, BUT THIS PROJECT IS A, REACHES AN OPTIMAL BALANCE RATHER THAN MAXIMIZING THE USE. AND IT'S REALLY EXEMPLARY OF WHAT WE WERE WORKED SO HARD FOR IN THE GENERAL PLAN AND MEETS IT. ANOTHER ISSUE IS I'VE DID A LOT OF SENIOR HOUSING WITH TRANSAMERICA, UH, SENIOR HOUSING IN VARIOUS INFILL SITES WITH MUCH MORE TRAFFIC, UM, MUCH MORE TRIP UNITS. AND THE CONCERN ABOUT, UM, SAFETY AND ACCIDENTS IS A VALID ONE, BUT THAT'S REALLY ONE THAT FLOWS TO THE OPERATIONS. AND THESE, UM, THESE DEVELOPERS I'VE KNOWN ARE PEOPLE WHO OPERATE THEIR PROJECTS WITH INTEGRITY AND QUALITY OPERATORS. AND THAT'S WHAT WILL MAKE THE DIFFERENCE IN THIS PROJECT. AND, AND THE LAST THING IS ABOUT THE PARK THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED. THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT TO TRY TO GET A CIVIC SPACE CREATED AND USED IS TO ACTIVATE THE SPACE, IS TO HAVE MORE STAKEHOLDERS AND PROJECTS LIKE THIS, CREATE ADDITIONAL STAKEHOLDERS. 'CAUSE THIS IS ALWAYS DONE BETWEEN PUBLIC AND PRIVATE. THE CITY CAN'T SOLVE ALL THE PROBLEMS AND EACH PRIVATE DEVELOPER CAN'T SOLVE THEM. BUT THE MORE STAKEHOLDERS YOU CREATE, THE GREATER NUMBER OF CONTRIBUTORS YOU HAVE TO SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS. SO I IN WHOLEHEARTED SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT, AND ONE OTHER THING, I'VE WATCHED THESE OTHER, THESE THE PROJECTS THESE DEVELOPERS HAVE DONE OVER THE YEARS, AND IF THEY'RE ONE OF THE FEW GROUP I KNOW THAT THEIR PROJECTS ARE EQUAL TO OR BETTER THAN THEIR RENDERINGS. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DOUG. SEEING THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT, UH, I AM GOING TO ACTUALLY ASK BEFORE WE MOVE INTO THE DISCUSSION, I THINK ENOUGH WAS RAISED IN PUBLIC COMMENT TO AT LEAST HAVE STAFF AND THE APPLICANT ANSWER A FEW OF THOSE QUESTIONS. I TOOK A BRIEF BIT DOWN, UH, CENTRAL GREEN HAS COME UP A FEW TIMES. EMMANUEL, COULD YOU JUST COVER BRIEFLY AGAIN AS A REMINDER WHAT THE LONG-TERM PLAN FOR THAT IS? I'VE HAVING JUST BEEN THERE SUNDAY. I CAN AGREE WITH THEM. IT'S REALLY JUST STONE, UM, INVENTIONS. THE, THE IDEA IS THAT IT WAS A PLAZA AREA. MM-HMM. , UH, GATHERING AREA, UM, WITH SEATING AND TREES AROUND THE PERIMETER. UM, IT IS, UH, THE TREES HAVE BEEN PLANTED. UH, THE SEATING IS IN THE PAVEMENT IS IN IT'S COMPLETE. SO THERE'S NO FURTHER IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE PROPOSED OR PLANNED FOR, FOR THAT LOCATION. UM, SAME WITH THE, UH, BALL FIELDS. THE PARK ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE, UH, BUILDING, UH, THAT WAS, UH, DESIGNED, INTENDED FOR, UH, USE AS A ACTIVE PLAY FIELDS, UH, PART OF THE CITY'S, UH, RECREATION, UH, PROGRAM, UH, PROGRAMMING, UM, WITH THE TOT LOT. UM, AND THEN A PERIMETER, UH, WALKWAY AROUND, AROUND THE PLAY FIELDS. UM, SO THOSE ARE THE, THOSE AMENITIES ARE COMPLETE. UM, AND, UH, NO, NO FURTHER IMPROVEMENTS, UH, ARE ARE PROPOSED OR REQUIRED AT THIS POINT. OKAY. AND I TAKE IT, I VAGUELY REMEMBER THIS FROM LAST TIME, BUT I TAKE IT IF WE WANTED TO SEE MORE PERMANENT SHADE STRUCTURES AND OTHER THINGS ADDED BESIDES JUST THE TREES, WE'D BE HAVING TO LOOK AT WORKING WITH THIS DEVELOPER OR SOMEONE ELSE TO FUND THAT. IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION FINDS A NEXUS BETWEEN IMPROVEMENTS, UH, OFFSITE, UH, IN THIS PROJECT, UH, THEN, UH, TO THE EXTENT THAT THOSE IMPROVEMENTS IN THE REQUIREMENT IS ROUGHLY PROPORTIONAL TO THE IMPACT THAT'S CREATED BY THE PROJECT, THEN THAT CAN BE INCLUDED AS THOSE CAN BE INCLUDED AS CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ON THE PROJECT. UM, YEAH. OKAY. I SUSPECT WE'LL WANNA DISCUSS THAT. UM, COULD YOU ALSO JUST, AND I'M A STICKLER FOR THIS. I REALLY DON'T WANT ANYBODY HERE HAVING CONFUSION AS THEY SIT WITH US THROUGH THIS WHOLE MEETING. UM, CAN YOU, UH, CLARIFY THE TRIP, THE TRIP METRIC, SPECIFICALLY, HOW THAT WORKS THROUGHOUT THE DAY? THE AVERAGE, THE 13,000 CARS? SO, UM, WE LOOK AT, UH, TYPICALLY THE AM AND PM PEAK HOURS IS WHAT'S, UH, ANALYZED. UM, SO [02:15:01] THE EIR THAT WAS PREPARED FOR THE OVERALL, UH, RIVERFRONT PROJECT MM-HMM. , UM, MADE CERTAIN ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT VARIOUS USES IN INTENSITY OF USES THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT. THE ASSUMPTION FOR IN THE EIR, UH, FOR LOTS FIVE AND SIX WAS THE DEVELOPMENT OF 30,000 SQUARE FEET ON THE GROUND FLOOR, A HUNDRED APARTMENTS ON THE UPPER FLOORS. THE APPLICANT, UH, AS THE APPLICANT PROPOSED A DEVELOPMENT THAT DID NOT FIT EXACTLY WITH WHAT WAS ANALYZED IN THE EIR, THE CITY PREPARED, UH, AN ADDENDUM TO THE, UH, EIR WHERE WE LOOKED AT HOW THE PROJECT, ALL THE AREAS, TOPIC AREAS, UH, IN THE EIR, UH, HOW THE, UM, THE PROJECT IS DIFFERENT INCLUDING TRAFFIC. AND CONCLUDED THAT BASED ON THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, CONCEPTUALLY PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AT THE TIME THE ADDENDUM WAS PREPARED, THE TRAP NUMBER OF VEHICLE TRIPS GENERATED, UH, ON LOTS FIVE AND SIX WOULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED FROM WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED. SO, UM, AND THEN ONE OF THESE SPEAKERS MENTIONED THAT THERE'S, I I THINK THERE'S 200 AND SOMETHING UNITS THAT WOULD BE PROPOSED BETWEEN LOTS FIVE AND SIX. THAT IS, THAT IS NOT THE CASE. THAT WAS WHAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE CONCEPTUAL PROPOSAL THAT WAS ANALYZED IN THE, UH, ADDENDUM TO THE EIR, BUT NOT WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED. AND EVEN AT THAT LEVEL, BECAUSE THEY'RE SENIOR HOUSING UNITS, UH, A RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY, THE TRAFFIC NUMBERS ARE SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER THAN NON AGE RESTRICTED APARTMENTS. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. UH, CAN YOU ALSO EXPLAIN PEER-TO-PEER PARKING? NO. . ANDREW, DO YOU WANNA TAKE THAT ONE? NO, I'M, I'M NOT SURE, UH, WHAT THAT WAS REFERENCING. I HAVE THE SAME QUESTION WHEN, WHEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT WAS MADE. ALRIGHT. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WASN'T, UH, WASN'T AN ELEMENT OF OUR GLOSSARY THAT I WAS MISSING. OKAY. UM, WE CAN GET INTO, THERE IS SOME, SOME PROPOSALS THAT WERE RAISED THAT WE CAN GET INTO WITH THE DISCUSSION. I JUST WANT TO COVER CLARIFYING QUESTIONS THAT CAME OUT OF PUBLIC COMMENT JUST BEFORE WE GET MOVING. UM, RIGHT. AND THEN, OH, THE LAST BIT, AND WE'VE COVERED THIS ON, I CAN'T, SO MANY MEETINGS NOW RELATED TO THIS, BUT IT IS WORTH COVERING AGAIN, BECAUSE THE, THE WAY THE MASTER PLAN PROCESS WORKED WAS NOT CHAOTIC, BUT IN REVERSE IT FEELS RATHER FRUSTRATING. UM, COULD YOU CLARIFY HOW CAULFIELD WAS ORIGINALLY FACTORED INTO THE TRAFFIC FLOW WHEN THESE LOTS WERE BEING, WHEN THE NINE LOTS WERE EFFECTIVELY CREATED? UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE RIVERFRONT MASTER PLAN ALWAYS ENVISIONED THAT THERE WOULD BE A BRIDGE, UM, AT THE SOUTHERN CROSSING AT THE CAULFIELD, YOU KNOW, CROSSING THAT THAT'S, THAT WAS ALWAYS PLANNED FOR. UM, AND SO THE, THE RIVERFRONT MASTER PLAN WAS DESIGNED WITH EVERY INTENTION OF THAT TRAFFIC BEING PRIMARILY LOCAL TRAFFIC THAT WOULD TRA TRAVERSE THROUGH THE RIVERFRONT, UM, PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND CONNECT BETWEEN COFIELD AND THEN FURTHER DOWN TO PETALUMA BOULEVARD SOUTH. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. SO REALISTICALLY THEN, MOST OF THE TRAFFIC LAYOUT, MOST OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED THUS FAR REALLY HAD THE COFIELD EXTENDED IN MIND, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. ALRIGHT. UH, AND THEN I DID WANNA MAKE ONE CLARIFYING COMMENT, AND THEN I WILL STOP HOGGING THIS PART OF THE MEETING, WHICH IS, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT HAVING A, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT A COMPREHENSIVE MEETING. WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT HAVING A, IT'D PROBABLY BE A REVIEW OF STUDY SESSION OR JUST A, A BASIC INFORMATIONAL HEARING ON THE RIVER MASTER PLAN AND WHERE THESE PROJECTS ARE THUS FAR. THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT. I THINK, UM, WE, WE NEED TO TALK INTERNALLY AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE, HOW, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY, UM, THE, THE RIVERFRONT COMMUNITY AND, AND HAS BEEN VERY THOUGHTFUL IN THEIR COMMENTS AND VERY CONSISTENT IN THEIR COMMENTS. AND WE GREATLY APPRECIATE, UH, THE INFORMATION THAT THEY'VE PROVIDED. I THINK THAT WE NEED TO WORK INTERNALLY WITH, WITH, UH, PLANNING PUBLIC WORKS, UM, AND MAYBE OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS TO REALLY UNDERSTAND HOW WE BRING THIS TOGETHER MM-HMM. AND, AND HAVE CONVERSATION ABOUT IT. UH, AND I THINK, I THINK THAT THE EVOLUTION OF [02:20:01] THE RIVERFRONT MASTER PLAN BOTH, UM, THROUGH THE APPROVAL PROCESS AND THEN IMPLEMENT IMPLEMENTATION PROCESS AS PART OF THAT MM-HMM. , UH, WE STILL, WE STILL DO, UH, HAVE ON THE LIST OF, UM, OF, TO-DOS, UH, TO BRING FORWARD THAT REVIEW OF THE RIVERFRONT MASTER PLAN TO PLAN AND COMMISSION, UM, GIVEN, GIVEN THE LEVEL OF ACTIVITY THIS FALL. WE JUST WEREN'T ABLE TO RESPOND TO IT AFTER THE JULY MEETING. UM, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD EXPAND THAT AND TALK ABOUT HOW WE CAN, UM, REALLY THINK ABOUT THE ENTIRE CONTEXT, NOT BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE'LL, WE'LL DO A PRESENTATION ON THE EVOLUTION OF THE RIVERFRONT MASTER PLAN, AND WE'LL END UP WITH THE SAME COMMENTS, THE SAME QUESTIONS, THE SAME ISSUES. SO I THINK WE NEED TO, UM, CITY STAFF NEED TO, TO IDENTIFY SOME OPPORTUNITIES OR ALTERNATIVES TO, TO MOVE US BEYOND THAT AND, UH, AND BEGIN TO ADDRESS THOSE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. AND IF THERE'S A WAY TO BUILD IN A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PORTION, SO THE FOLKS WHO ARE NOW LIVING IN THESE, THIS VIBRANT COMMUNITY THAT'S SPRUNG UP SINCE THEN, HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK, BOTH BIG AND SMALL, ABOUT HOW INTENTIONS OF THE PLAN ARE GOING. SURE. I DIDN'T, WHEN I WAS MAKING MY COMMENTS, I DIDN'T ENVISION THAT IT WOULD BE A PRIVATE, OF COURSE, MEETING WITH STAFF OR, OR WITH THE COMMISSION. SO CERTAINLY IT WOULD, THERE WOULD BE FULL OPPORTUNITY FOR ENGAGEMENT. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR YOUR INDULGENCE. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE COVERED THIS. HAVING GOTTEN FEEDBACK BEFORE THAT IN PAST MEETINGS, FOLKS HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. WE GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS AND THEN THEY'VE HAD TO GO HOME BECAUSE WHO KNOWS HOW LONG A MEETING MIGHT GO. SO, AND JUST TO BUILD OFF, UM, MR. TRIPLE'S COMMENTS THERE, HOW ARE WE BUILDING THAT INTO OUR FINDINGS? ARE WE ASSUMING THAT THIS MASTER PLAN PROCESS WILL HAPPEN AND KIND OF THE APPROPRIATE RIGHT. CHANGES WOULD BE MADE TO THE MASTER PLAN IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC, PEDESTRIAN, BIKEABILITY? I MEAN, BECAUSE WE'RE KIND OF SAYING IT'S NOT THE RESPONSIBILITY ON A PER PROJECT BASIS AND WE ENVISION A BROADER PROCESS, AND THEN HOW DO WE MAKE FINDINGS FOR THE PER PROJECT BASIS? WHERE DOES THAT FIT IN? WELL, I, I THINK THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT TRAFFIC AND CIRCULATION, THE, THE MASTER PLAN IS BEING EXECUTED AS IT WAS IN, AS IT WAS DESIGNED. UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE REFLECTING UPON IT AND, AND PERHAPS THINKING, THINKING THAT IT WAS, IT WAS AN INADEQUATE DESIGN. UM, SO THAT IS, I THINK, I THINK TO EMMANUEL'S POINT, WE, WE FIND THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE NEXUS FOR OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE THOSE CONNECTIONS BETWEEN INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS. UM, AND THEN, AND THEN PERHAPS TEST THE FINDINGS TO SEE IF WE CAN FIND THAT NEXUS TO REQUIRE OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS. UM, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A CHALLENGE. , I THINK THAT THAT'S, I THINK ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS THIS EVENING HAVE IDENTIFIED THAT CHALLENGE. WELL, AND, AND TO BE CLEAR, PART OF WHY I BROUGHT UP THE MEETING ONE, WE HAD KIND OF INDIVIDUALLY TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE. 'CAUSE I THINK THIS LITERALLY THE FIFTH ASPECT OF THIS PROJECT WE'VE LOOKED AT AND WE'VE HAD BACK AND FORTH ON, AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S MANY OF US LEFT WHO REMEMBER THREE PROJECTS BACK AT THIS POINT. UM, SO THERE IS CATCHING US UP TO SPEED, BUT ALSO ALLOWING FOR FEEDBACK BECAUSE WE, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE AUTHORITY TO DECERTIFY A PLAN THAT A PREVIOUS COUNCIL HAD PASSED, HOPEFULLY OUT OF HAVING THAT MEETING TO GET US BROUGHT BACK UP TO SPEED TO ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO SHARE HOW IT'S BEEN GOING FOR THEM, QUESTIONS ANSWERED, ET CETERA. THAT'S THEN GIVES FEEDBACK FOR COUNCIL AND FEEDBACK FOR OTHERS TO TALK ABOUT MAYBE REASSESSING THAT. BUT FOR US IT'S MOSTLY ABOUT MAKING SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. AND SO THERE'S A CHALLENGE IN NOT HOLDING THESE OR INDIVIDUAL APPLICANTS TO ACCOUNT FOR A POTENTIAL OVERSIGHT IN THAT MASTER PLAN BECAUSE IT'S NOT, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T. NO. YEAH. THANKS. WITH THAT IN MIND, THANK YOU FOR GOING ALONG WITH ME ON THIS BRIEF LITTLE TANGENT. WE WILL GO BACK TO DISCUSSION. WE HAVE TWO ITEMS TO LOOK AT EFFECTIVELY AS PART OF THIS COMPONENT. ONE IS THE EIR, UH, ADDENDUM. AND THE OTHER IS ACTUALLY PROVING THE SPAR FOR THIS. NORMALLY I'M A BIG FAN OF SPLITTING EVERYTHING UP. I'M NOT GOING TO DO THAT IN THIS CASE BECAUSE OF HOW INTERCONNECTED THESE ITEMS ARE. THE ADDENDUM LITERALLY BEING RELATED TO THE DESIGN THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO, UH, INSTEAD I'M GONNA LET PEOPLE INDICATE WHO WANTS TO GO. 'CAUSE I SOMETIMES CAN BE A LITTLE BIT OF A, [02:25:01] A PAIN ABOUT CALLING ON PEOPLE WHEN THEY'RE NOT READY. I DON'T WANNA DO THAT TO ANYBODY THIS TIME. SO IF I CHAIR, IF I COULD, BEFORE WE, WE, UH, START DISCUSSION, I WANT TO NOTE THAT STAFF HAVE IDENTIFIED NINE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL MM-HMM. , UH, BASED UPON COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION. SO WE'RE HAPPY TO SHARE THOSE, UH, WITH YOU WHEN YOU'RE READY FOR THEM. AND, AND THEN SECOND, I WANTED TO CLARIFY A COMMENT THAT, UM, EMMANUEL MADE EARLIER. THE, THE ADDENDUM DOES NOT REQUIRE A SEPARATE RESOLUTION. THE, THE ADDENDUM IS AN EXTENSION OF THE EIR. AND SO WHEN YOU MAKE THE CE QA FINDINGS AS PART OF SPAR RESOLUTION, I WAS WONDERING WHY YOU'RE IN EFFECT IN ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THE ADDENDUM THAT THE EIR IS THE, UM, THE ESSENTIAL SQUA DOCUMENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE CLARIFICATION. UH, AND ACTUALLY, IF YOU DON'T MIND, COULD READ OFF THE 90 OF IDENTIFIED IF ONLY SO THAT WE, AND I CAN SHARE THEM ON THE SCREEN AS WELL. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THANK YOU, EMMANUEL, IF YOU COULD. I, I ACTUALLY LET, LET ME SHARE MINE BECAUSE I'VE GOT IT SPACED OUT BETTER AND IT'S IN BOLD. PERFECT. AND I THINK IT WILL BE, UM, EASIER TO READ. I CAN JUST FIGURE OUT HOW TO STOP SHARING. I WAS SORT OF ANTICIPATING THIS. OKAY. SO, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER. I AM, I WAS, I HAD EMBARKED ON ORDERING THEM. SO LET ME GO AHEAD AND TRY TO MAKE SOME SENSE OF THEM HERE INITIALLY. SO THE FIRST, UH, VINYL WINDOWS ARE PROHIBITED THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT. FINAL WINDOW MATERIAL AND DESIGN ARE SUBJECT TO APPROVAL BY THE PLANNING MANAGER. SECOND, UH, PASSENGER LOADING ZONE SHALL BE ESTABLISHED ON THE COFFEE FIELD LANE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE BUILDING'S PRIMARY ENTRANCE SUBJECT TO APPROVAL BY THE CITY ENGINEER. THE REASON FOR THIS IS BECAUSE, UH, WE DO HAVE DESIGN, UH, REGULATIONS RELATED TO PASSENGER LOADING ZONES THAT ARE CONTAINED IN THE MUNICIPAL CODE. AND THE CITY ENGINEER IMPLEMENTS THAT SECTION OF THE MUNICIPAL CODE. UM, THEN THIRD, AN ENHANCED PEDESTRIAN CROSSING BETWEEN THE PROJECT SITE AND THE CENTRAL GREEN SHALL BE DESIGNED AND IMPLEMENTED BY THE PROJECT APPLICANT SUBJECT TO APPROVAL BY THE CITY ENGINEER. AGAIN, THIS IS ACTION WITHIN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. SO IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THE CITY ENGINEER TO REVIEW, UM, SUCH A PROPOSAL. FOURTH, UH, BICYCLE STORAGE SHALL BE ADEQUATE FOR BICYCLE ALTERNATIVES SUCH AS TRICYCLES, UH, SUBJECT TO REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY THE PLANNING MANAGER. AND WE MAY WANT TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT, UH, ADEQUACY LOOKS LIKE. UM, FOR THIS, UH, FIFTH, ALL EXTERIOR LIGHTING SHALL BE FULL CUTOFF LIGHTING, SUCH THAT NO LIGHT IS EMITTED AT OR ABOVE AN ANGLE OF 90 DEGREES FROM THE NADIR OR HORIZONTAL PLANE. ALL OTHER APPLICABLE LIGHTING REGULATIONS SHALL BE APPLIED. THIS CONDITION WOULD ACTUALLY STRENGTHEN AND, AND BUILD UPON OUR EXISTING LIGHTING REGULATIONS THAT REQUIRE DOWNCAST LIGHTING AND SO FORTH. THEN, UM, SIX, THE PROJECT SHALL EXCEED THE MINIMUM REQUIRED EV PARKING SPACES BY X PERCENT. SO SIMILAR FOR BOTH SIX AND SEVEN, UH, SIX REFERS TO EV PARKING SPACES. SEVEN REFERS TO A DA PARKING SPACES. THE, THE BUILDING CODE ESTABLISHES, UM, THE NUMBER OF EACH SPACES BASED UPON THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES DESIGNED INTO THE PROJECT. AND SO, UM, RATHER THAN I THINK LOOK AT A SPECIFIC NUMBER OF SPACES, UH, WE MAY WANT TO LOOK AT A PERCENT, UM, TO EXCEED BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENT BY THEN EIGHT. UM, ALL COMMERCIAL VEHICLE, ALL COMMERCIAL DELIVERY ACTIVITY SHALL TAKE PLACE IN THE REAR OF THE BUILDING UTILIZING ALLEYWAY ACCESS. NINE ADDITIONAL REAR ACCESS SHALL BE ADDED TO THE REAR OF THE BUILDING BY DESIGNING AND INSTALLING. AND THAT WAS, THAT WAS MY FIRST ONE, EXCEPT I THINK I NEED TO REVISE THAT. I THINK WHAT WE WANTED TO REVISE IT IS TO SAY THAT, UM, INTERIOR CIRCULATION FROM THE EX, THE, FROM THE, THE REAR ENTRY DOORWAY TO THE ELEVATOR SHALL BE ENHANCED BY REMOVAL OF THE WALL BETWEEN THE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES AND THE ELEVATORS. SO THAT'S [02:30:01] IN DRAFT FORM. AND I'LL ADD THAT TO, UM, TO THIS LIST. CAN WE COMMENT ON SOME OF THIS? I, I, THAT'S AT THE PLEASURE OF THE CHAIR, DEPENDING ON WHEN HE WANTS TO TAKE APPLICANT COMMENT AND RESPONSE CHAIR HOOPER. YES. UM, WOULD WE ADD THE DOUBLE DOORS, SO NEXT TO THE, UM, DESK AREA OR WHATEVER IT WAS, DOES THAT NEED TO BE ADDED IN? IS THAT THE DOUBLE DOOR SO PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO WALK ALL THE WAY AROUND? I BELIEVE IT'S THAT, I THINK THAT IS NINE. OH, YOU'RE RIGHT TO STRIKE THE WALL BETWEEN THE ADMIN AND THE ELEVATORS. I UNDERSTOOD THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD PREFER TO, TO IMPROVE WITH THE INTERNAL CIRCULATION RATHER THAN TO ADD ANOTHER SET OF DOORS. SO THAT MAKES SENSE. I THINK THAT'S FAIR FOR SECURITY REASONS. MM-HMM. , UH, IF ONLY, BECAUSE I ASSUME WE WILL PROBABLY END UP USING THIS AS A BASELINE ADD AND RE ADD AND SUBTRACT FROM THERE. UH, IF THEY DO HAVE COMMENTS, I THINK IT'S WORTH TAKING THE APPLICANT COMMENTS NOW BEFORE WE START TO GET INTO IT. SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP TO RESPOND, WE ARE DOING THIS OUT OF ORDER AS PER USUAL, SO THANK YOU. UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO, UH, ADDRESS THE FIRST TWO CONDITIONS. THE FIRST ONE WE'D LIKE TO GIVE OPPORTUNITY TO OUR ARCHITECT TO DISCUSS AROUND THE WINDOW QUALITY. 'CAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S WINDOW MANUFACTURERS THAT ARE, UH, PRODUCING QUALITY VINYL, UH, WINDOWS THAT ARE AESTHETICALLY VERY PLEASING. AND THEY USING A COMBINATION OF RECYCLED MATERIALS VERSUS BEING, UH, STUCK WITH JUST LIKE, LIKE YOU ELIMINATE THAT. THEN THERE ARE OTHER WINDOW TYPES THAT MIGHT BE VERY INFERIOR QUALITY. SO WE LIKE TO ALLOW, HAVE THE PERMISSION TO WORK THROUGH THAT WITH PLANNING STAFF AND BRING SAMPLES AND TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT OPTIONS. THAT'S OUR PREFERENCE. SO MAYBE MORE FLEXIBILITY AND NUMBER ONE. AND NUMBER TWO, IF THE LOADING ZONE CAN BE EITHER WHITE OR YELLOW. JUST TWO MORE WORDS IN THE WINDOWS. UM, IT, MY EXPERIENCE DESIGNING, UH, MIXED USE BUILDINGS OF THIS SIZE AND, AND LARGER SCALE, MANY OF THEM ALL THROUGH THE BAY. UM, THE VAST, VAST MAJORITY OF THEM UTILIZE VINYL WINDOWS. AND THE REASON IS THAT TECHNOLOGY HAS IMPROVED, UH, EXTENSIVELY IN OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. UM, FINAL WINDOWS CAN BE MADE TO NOT BE RECOGNIZABLE FROM ANY OTHER TYPE OF WINDOW THAT YOU SEE THAT CAN BE MADE TO MUCH LARGER SIZES THAN THEY USED TO BE. AND THEY CAN BE MADE TO, UH, WEATHER FOR MUCH, UH, LONGER LIFESPANS. SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY HIGH QUALITY MATERIAL COMPARED TO WHAT MANY OF US THINK OF THEM AS FROM THE PAST OR SEE IN OLDER BUILDINGS. UM, SO WE JUST WANTED THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH STAFF AND SHOW WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THAT. EXCELLENT. THE JUST, AND THE COMMENT AROUND THE ACCESSING A MORE EFFICIENT WAY TO THE, UH, ELEVATOR, WHICH WE'RE A HUNDRED PERCENT SUPPORT, MAYBE WITH A CAVEAT THAT, UH, IF IT, UH, IS ACCEPTABLE BY THE FIRE MARSHAL, BECAUSE THOSE ELEVATOR THINGS ARE QUITE SPECIFIC, WHETHER YOU OPEN INTO THEM AND HOW YOU HAVE TO CONTAIN FIRE. SO I MEAN, IF WE, WE WANT EASY, EFFICIENT ACCESS, IT'D BE IDEAL, BUT, UH, WE JUST DON'T WANNA BE STUCK WITH HAVING AN ENTRY IN AN AREA WHERE ALL OF A SUDDEN AND THEN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT OR THE FIRE MARSHAL SAYS, YOU CAN'T HAVE THAT IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT. I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. THAT'S REASONABLE. AND ANDREW, FOR NUMBER TWO, CORRECT ME, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT YOU WORDED THAT SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE THE CITY ENGINEER DEALS WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION FOR LOATHING ZONE, CORRECT? RIGHT. I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE, THE APPLICANT'S COMMENT ABOUT A WHITE OR A YELLOW ZONE BECAUSE BASED UPON MY REVIEW, UM, THE, WE WOULD WANT TO DO A WHITE ZONE, WHICH IS FOR PASSENGER LOADING AND UNLOADING. SO YEAH. IS THAT WHAT YOU WOULD, IS WHITE IS PREFERABLE. UH, YELLOW I RECALL IS ONLY FOR COMMERCIAL LICENSE PLATES. RIGHT, RIGHT. WHEREAS WHITE, ANYONE CAN PARK THERE MOMENTARILY. RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHY I SPECIFICALLY CALLED IT A PASSENGER LOADING ZONE. THANK YOU. SO THAT THEN WE CAN SYNC UP WITH WHAT THE CODE COLOR REQUIREMENT WOULD BE FOR THAT. YEAH. I THINK PASSENGER LOADING ZONE, NOT EXCLUSIVE TO COMMERCIAL PENDING CITY ENGINEERS. CONFIRMATION OF COLOR LIKELY WHITE RIGHT . SURE. IF I MIGHT, I, I WANT TO ALSO COMMENT ON, I APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT'S COMMENTS, UM, ON ITEM ONE ABOUT VINYL WINDOWS. UM, BUT, BUT CERTAINLY THERE WERE OTHER FACETS TO THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PROHIBITION OF VINYL WINDOWS THAT WERE PART OF THE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS, UM, PUBLIC REVIEW LONGEVITY [02:35:01] ON DECEMBER 12TH. SO I'M HOPING THAT CHAIR, THAT YOU PLAN TO BRING UP THOSE OTHER, UH, POINTS AS PART OF, PART OF THIS DISCUSSION. I, IN FACT, I WAS JUST GOING TO THROW THAT ASPECT OUT NOW BECAUSE I SUSPECT WE HAVE A LOT MORE TO DISCUSS. AND WE, WE HAD A NEARLY TWO MEETINGS, I THINK 40% OF WHICH WAS ON VINYL WINDOWS, GIVE OR TAKE. UH, PART OF PART OF OUR REASONING FOR NOT SUPPORTING VINYL WINDOWS AND OUR OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS. THERE'S TWO WE DO RECOGNIZE AND OUR, UH, MANY AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPERS DID REACH OUT BECAUSE THEY WERE CHEAPER. UH, WE DO RECOGNIZE THAT TECHNOLOGY HAS CHANGED AND THAT THEY LOOK, THEY MAY LOOK NICER. THE PROBLEM WE CAME ACROSS AND THAT WE ENDED UP, UH, LEANING INTO IS THAT MANY IN OUR DESIGN COMMUNITY CAME BACK WITH THE SAME ISSUE REPEATEDLY. ONE, THEY DO NOT LAST THE TEST OF TIME. SO YOU'VE GOT REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE ISSUES AFTER ABOUT 20 YEARS AND TWO, AND IT VARIES ACROSS THE BOARD WHICH ISSUES MORE IMPORTANT AND WHY. BUT ANOTHER ISSUE WITH THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE HORRIBLY TOXIC, UM, POLLUTANT PRODUCED IN THE MAKING OF VINYL WINDOWS. SO AS A CITY RELEASED FOR OUR OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS, WE MOVED AWAY FROM THAT. IT'S VERY HARD FOR US TO NOT APPEAR HYPOCRITICAL TO THEN SAY, WELL, FOR THIS SENIOR LIVING FACILITY, SURE WE'LL HAVE VINYL WINDOWS. SO WE, THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF THIS WHERE WE NEED TO BE FOLLOWING THE KIND OF PRINCIPLES AND GUIDELINES THAT WE SET FORWARD. AND I'D SAY THERE WAS A TWO B ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERN FOR IF THERE WERE TO BE, GOD FORBID, A FIRE, THE TOXINS EMITTED BY BURNING VINYL CAN BE QUITE DANGEROUS AS PROVIDED BY PUBLIC COMMENT AT LAST WEEK'S MEETING. SO I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU GUYS DEALT WITH THAT, BUT JUST ANOTHER ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERN THAT'S BEEN RAISED ON VINYL WINDOWS. MM-HMM. IT IS BOTH PRODUCTION AND IF BURNED THE DESTRUCTION OF THE MATERIAL. SO, AND AS A QUICK POINT ON THAT, OBVIOUSLY THAT DISCUSSION WAS FOR OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS ONLY SELECT STREAMLINED RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS. SO IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY APPLY CITYWIDE YET. BUT I THINK THE IMPRESSION AFTER A LOT OF THAT DISCUSSION WAS THAT THE DIRECTION WE ARE MOVING MORE BROADLY THAN JUST OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS. SO RIGHT. AND NOT TO HAR BUT ONE LAST POINT ON THAT, BECAUSE WE DID SPEND SO MUCH TIME ON VINYL WINDOWS, UH, A BIG GOAL THAT WE HAD WITH OUR OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS WAS NOT TO CREATE A SCENARIO WHERE OUR MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS WERE TREATED DIFFERENTLY FROM THE REST OF THE PROJECTS WE HAVE IN THE CITY. WE DO NOT WANT PEOPLE TO DRIVE BY AND KNOW ON SITE, JUST BASED ON MATERIALS OR LOOK OR DESIGN, WHETHER OR NOT A UNIT IS MARKET RATE ABOVE MARKET RATE, AFFORDABLE, UM, EXTREMELY LOW INCOME, ET CETERA. SO IT'S PART OF THAT MOVING FORWARD CITYWIDE IS THE IDEA OF MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE KIND OF A, A SHARED UNIFORMITY FOR THESE STANDARDS. OKAY. CAN, SORRY. YEAH, NO, GO AHEAD. CAN I GET SOME CLARITY FROM STAFF? I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A POTENTIAL PROVISION FOR THE WINDOW MATERIALS TO BE SUBJECT TO A STAFF REVIEW. CAN YOU GIVE A LITTLE COLOR ON HOW THAT WOULD LOOK AND WHETHER YOU WOULD DECLINE OF, OF WHAT IS MARKETED AS HIGH QUALITY FINAL WINDOW, UM, AND, AND HOW, HOW THAT WORKS? UH, CERTAINLY. SO, UH, TYPICALLY WHEN WE, WHEN WE WRITE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL AND MAKE IT SUBJECT TO REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY, BY, YOU KNOW, PLANNING MANAGER OR, OR UM, PLANNING STAFF, WE SEEK TO HAVE SUFFICIENT DETAIL IN THERE TO EFFECTIVELY GUIDE STAFF THROUGH THAT DECISION MAKING PROCESS. SO IN THIS CASE, THE, UH, THE INITIAL SENTENCE FINAL WINDOWS ARE PROHIBITED THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT, IS INTENTIONAL TO CLEARLY DIRECT STAFF THAT A VINYL WINDOW WOULD NOT BE APPROVED IN ANY MANNER, UM, WHETHER THAT'S DESIGN OR, OR FORMAT OR COLOR. SO, UM, THAT'S HOW WE WOULD IMPLEMENT THIS CONDITION OF APPROVAL DURING, DURING THE PROJECTS OF BUILDING PERMIT REVIEW. OKAY. BUT IF, IF, IS THERE A WAY TO RAISE THE FLOOR ON VINYL WINDOWS ? WELL, SURE, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION AND I THINK THAT IF, IF WE WANTED TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, WHAT WE MIGHT WANT TO DO IS LOOK AT A PATHWAY TO PERHAPS APPROVE THE PROJECT. BUT, AND, AND I WOULD WANT TO TALK WITH ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY BRADY ABOUT THIS AS WELL AS THE APPLICANT TOO. UM, BECAUSE I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE A, A DECISION THAT WE ALL MAKE IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THE PROJECT, BUT DIRECT THAT THE PROJECT COME BACK WITH SPECIFIC EXAMPLES OF VINYL WINDOWS FOR THE COMMISSION TO REVIEW. SO WE COULD EFFECTIVELY ELEVATE THAT DECISION BACK [02:40:01] TO THE COMMISSION. BUT IT WOULD ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, UM, FINALIZING DESIGN, MOVING INTO CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS AND SO FORTH BASED UPON, UM, OTHER CONDITIONS OF PROJECT APPROVAL. UM, JUST TO CLARIFY THOUGH, IF WE INCLUDE THE BASELINE SENTENCE THAT THE PROJECT IS NOT TO USE FINAL WINDOWS, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE BASED ON THE PLANNING MANAGER, CORRECT? WELL, THAT'S CORRECT. RIGHT. OKAY. MM-HMM. , SO THAT WOULD BE A PROHIBITION FOR THIS PROJECT, CORRECT. DECLARED AS PART OF THE FINDINGS. OKAY. OR THE WARRANTS, SORRY. ALRIGHT. UM, WITH THIS IN MIND, I THINK WE HAVE A BROADER DISCUSSION TO HAVE OUTSIDE OF FINAL WINDOWS. SO, UH, I'M GOING TO, I'M GONNA START AT THE END OF THE ROOM AND THEN MOVE DOWN. AND WE HAVE KIND OF A STARTER OUTLINE HERE BASED ON ALL THE DISCUSSION AND QUESTIONS WE'VE WORKED THROUGH SO FAR. BUT THAT IS NOT TO STOP ANYBODY FROM OFFERING OTHER WARRANTS THEY MAY REQUIRE OR CALLING INTO QUESTION OR ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION ON THOSE THAT ARE UP THERE. NOW. WE'RE KIND OF WORKING THROUGH THIS AS WE GO. UH, I'D LIKE TO START WITH, UH, VICE MAYOR. UM, THANKS. I'M GONNA JUST, UM, QUICKLY JUST WITH THE ART THAT UM, MAYBE IT SHOULD BE PART OF THE COMMUNITY DECIDING WHERE ART IS. 'CAUSE IT ACTUALLY COULD BE BY THE TOT LOT AND THE, THAT AREA. UM, I'D PREFER THAT THAN I THINK THE GREEN ONLY BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF SET ALREADY. UNLESS IT'S JUST LIKE AN INCREDIBLE PIECE OF ART, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. SO MAYBE, UM, HAVE COMMUNITY INPUT ON THAT, THE NEIGHBORS OF WHERE IT WOULD BE LOCATED. UM, AS FAR AS, WELL I DON'T REALLY HAVE A LOT, LOT TO SAY. I THINK WE'VE KIND OF GONE OVER EVERYTHING, SO I DON'T THINK I HAVE A LOT TO ADD. THANK YOU. I'D ALSO LIKE TO JUST FLAG REAL QUICK WHISPERING THAT CAN BE HEARD IS NOT CONSIDERED WHISPERING. SO I APPRECIATE IF WE COULD STAY ON TRACK. UM, THANK YOU. BACK TO THE VICE MAYOR. I'M GOOD, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. AND HOW, FORGIVE MY IGNORANCE BECAUSE I'M JUST HAVING A HARD TIME RECALLING IT. HOW IS IT SET UP FOR THE ART TO BE APPROVED CURRENTLY? UM, USUALLY DOESN'T IT GO TO THE ART COMMISSION AND THEN THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, PERCENTAGE OF ART THAT THEY CAN CREATE? MM-HMM. AND SOMETIMES, UM, OR IT COULD GO, UH, YEAH, I MEAN IT USUALLY WOULD JUST GO TO THE ART COMMISSION, ISN'T THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. UH, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY BRADY AND I WERE DISCUSSING, WE, WE THINK THAT THE, THE PROJECT WOULD HAVE TO AGREE TO IMPLEMENT ITS PUBLIC ART REQUIREMENT, BUT WOULD WANT, WOULD REQUEST TO DO THAT OFFSITE. AND SO, BECAUSE IT WOULD BE OFFSITE IN THE, IN PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, THEN IT WOULD NEED TO GO TO THE PUBLIC OR THE PUBLIC ART COMMISSION, WHICH I BELIEVE IT WOULD TOO, ANYWAY. BUT I DON'T THINK WHAT WE WOULD WANT TO DO IS HAVE THEM PAY THE, THE PUBLIC ART IN LU FEE INTO THE CITY PUBLIC ART FUND, BECAUSE THEN WE WOULD LOSE THE ABILITY TO DIRECT THAT TO A SPECIFIC LOCATION. SO WE SHOULD DECIDE ON THIS LOCATION. SO I THINK THE, THE APPLICANT WOULD AGREE TO IMPLEMENT ITS PUBLIC ART REQUIREMENT AS OPPOSED TO PAY THE IN LIEU FEE. OKAY. WOULD BE HOW, HOW WE WANT TO HANDLE THAT. BUT DO WE HAVE TO CHOOSE THE ACTUAL SPOT OR JUST SAY YOUR PUBLIC ART FEE WILL BE IMPLEMENTED WITHIN THIS NEXUS OF THE COMMUNITY OR BUILDING? I, I THINK I WOULD, I WOULD NOT, UM, I WOULD RECOMMEND AGAINST IDENTIFYING A SPECIFIC LOCATION, BUT MAYBE PUT SOME PARAMETERS THAT IT NEEDS TO BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY OR, OR BE IN A HIGHLY VISIBLE AREA WITHIN THE RIVERFRONT, UH, DEVELOPMENT. UH, CHAIR HOOPER, IF I MAY, JUST AS A WAY OF BACKGROUND DIRECTLY RELATED TO THIS, IS DURING THE, UH, DESIGN OF THE, UH, CENTRAL GREEN, THE NORTHERN END OF THE CENTRAL GREEN WAS DESIGNATED OR IDENTIFIED AS A POTENTIAL LOCATION FOR, UH, PUBLIC ART INSTALLATION. I THINK IT'S VERY KIND TO SAY THAT, VERY KIND TO SAY THAT THE CENTRAL GREEN IS LONG ENOUGH TO HAVE AN END, BUT I I, I DO SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I ALSO, JUST TO ADD TO THAT, WOULD WE NEED TO STIPULATE, ASIDE FROM COMMUNITY BENEFIT AND BEING WITHIN A GENERAL LOCATION FOR THAT COMMUNITY, UH, WE NEED TO STIPULATE LANGUAGE FOR INVOLVEMENT FROM THE NEIGHBORS, FOR THE COMMUNITY ART. I THINK THE PUBLIC ART COMMISSION PROCESS ALREADY HAS THAT. I'VE NEVER SEEN THE PUBLIC ART COMMISSION. THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING. I'M HAPPY TO ADMIT THE THINGS I HAVE NOT. YEAH. I HAVE BEEN TO PUBLIC ART COMMISSION MEETINGS AND THERE'S DEFINITELY COMMUNITY [02:45:01] INPUT. OH, GREAT. ALRIGHT. MM-HMM. . AND THEY, THEY DO, THEY, UH, THEY COULD DESIGN A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PROCESS. EXCELLENT. THAT WOULD BE VERY SUCCESSFUL. SO AS LONG AS THERE IS A VEHICLE FOR IT, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. MM-HMM. . SURE. ALRIGHT, GREAT. UH, THE LAST ONE IS, IS REALLY ABOUT THE CROSSING THE LIT CROSSINGS. UM, I GUESS I'D LIKE TO BE UPDATED IN CASE STAFF DECIDES THAT IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE BECAUSE THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, OH, NOT STAFF, BUT THE ENGINEERING, I DON'T SEE WHY THERE WOULD BE A PROBLEM AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NOT A PROBLEM AND THAT IT'S ACTUALLY DONE THAT WOULD 'CAUSE THEY'VE HAD EXPERIENCE IN THE PAST. WHAT NUMBER? UM, THE CROSSING NUMBER THREE. IT SAYS IMPLEMENT THE PROJECT APPLICANT SUBJECT TO APPROVAL BY THE CITY ENGINEER. AND THAT'S FINE. JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THE ENGINEER FOLLOWS THROUGH . IT DOESN'T COME UP WITH A REASON NOT TO DO IT, BECAUSE I'VE SEEN THAT. SURE. YEAH. WELL, WE HAVE, WE HAVE A GREAT WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY ENGINEER. YEAH. AND, AND I THINK THAT, UM, THEY, THEY WILL FULLY UNDERSTAND THE INTENT AND, AND, UH, IF WE'RE UNABLE TO EXECUTE ON THAT CONDITION OF APPROVAL, WE'LL COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION. THAT WOULD BE GOOD. . THANK YOU. EXCELLENT, RICK. ALRIGHTY. UM, OKAY. UM, STARTING FROM THE, I THINK THE MOST GENERAL, UM, JUST JUST TO COMMENT THAT, UM, THE UPDATED RENDERINGS AND, AND ALSO FLYOVER, I THOUGHT WAS, WAS REALLY HELPFUL, UM, TO GAIN A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF BOTH THE ARCHITECTURE AND AESTHETICS. UM, SO I JUST JUST WANNA MAKE THAT NOTE FOR FUTURE APPLICATIONS AS WELL. SO I APPRECIATE, UH, UM, THOSE UPDATED RENDERINGS. UM, AS FAR AS THE WARRANT'S CONCERNED, UM, AFTER CONSIDERING IN, IN THE QUESTION AND ANSWER ABOUT THE, THE, THE FRENCHES IN THE 200, UH, FOOT LIMIT, I, I FEEL COMFORTABLE GRANTING THAT WARRANT. UM, I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S PLENTY OF EXTERIOR CONTOUR AND, AND UM, ALSO, UM, THE FACADE, UH, ACHIEVES ENOUGH OF A, A BREAKUP OF THAT MASSING THAT, UH, THAT I THINK THAT WARRANT IS WARRANTED. UM, SAME ON, ON THE PARKING WARRANT. UM, I THINK THE, THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND CITY, UM, SHOULD THINK MORE IN, IN TERMS OF HOW IT WAS PRESENTED HERE. UM, IN THAT WE, YOU KNOW, GO AWAY FROM REQUIREMENTS FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPMENT HAVING THEIR OWN, UM, STIPULATED PARKING AND RATHER LOOK AT IT IN MORE OF AN AREA WIDE AND, AND, UH, OPPORTUNITIES FOR SHARING, UH, PARKING BASED ON TIME OF USE, THE USAGE OF THE BUILDING, THE OCCUPANTS OF THE BUILDING. SO I THINK THAT WAS WELL DONE IN THIS REGARD. AND, UM, AND, AND I THINK ALSO LENDS ITSELF TO, TO, UM, APPROVING OF THAT, THAT WARRANT. UM, IT, IT CERTAINLY APPEARS THAT THERE'LL BE SUFFICIENT OVERFLOW PARKING IN, IN THE OTHER AREAS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED. UM, THE ACTIVATION OF THE STREET LEVEL, UM, THE, THE BREEZEWAY AND THE AVAILABILITY OF THE PUBLIC ACCESS SPACES EXPANSION, I THINK, UM, WAS, WAS A REALLY GOOD ENHANCEMENT FROM WHAT WE'D SEEN BEFORE, EVEN THOUGH IT WASN'T A DRAMATIC INCREASE IN TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE. I THINK THE COMBINATION OF THOSE AND THE PROXIMITY OF THOSE, UM, UH, I, I THINK WAS, WAS, YOU KNOW, NOTABLE, UM, IN TERMS OF BENEFITS TO BOTH THE, UM, THE RESIDENTS AS WELL AS THE, THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY. UM, QUESTION WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF, OF THE PARKING AND THE ADEQUACY OF THE PARKING AND THE EXPERIENCE OF, OF RESIDENT PARKING IN AT, UH, THE BERKELEY FACILITY, UM, ZONING IN ON PETALUMA. UM, DOES STAFF RECALL WHAT THE RATIO OF PARKING IS? RESIDENT PARKING AT THE PEP HOUSING ON PETALUMA BOULEVARD SOUTH THE RIVERSIDE, UM, SEEMS LIKE IT'S A, IT'S A GENERALLY EQUIVALENT TYPE OF, OF RESIDENT COMMUNITY. UM, AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF, IF, UH, WE CAN USE THAT AS PRECEDENT. I BELIEVE I, I BELIEVE WE COULD. YEAH. LET ME, LET ME, UM, CIRCLE BACK AROUND. IT'S ABOUT EQUIVALENT. MM-HMM. . YES. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE ALL OUTLINED HERE, I I THINK ONE OF THE ONES THAT, THAT [02:50:01] HIT ME AS, AS THE MOST IMPORTANT IS PLACING SOME TYPE OF CONDITION ON EITHER MANDATING OR ENCOURAGING, UM, DELIVERIES, UM, DROP-OFFS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, NON PEDESTRIAN TO THE, TO THE ALLEYWAY. UM, NOT ONLY IS THE SAFETY FACTOR, BUT I THINK IN TERMS OF JUST GENERAL CIRCULATION, UM, HAVING, YOU KNOW, AMAZON TRUCKS, UBER EATS IN AND OUT OF ANY EVEN DEDICATED ZONE IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING SEEMS LIKE, WELL, WE'RE ASKING FOR TROUBLE THERE GIVEN THAT THAT IS GONNA BE A MAIN THOROUGHFARE. SO GIVEN THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, SUBSTANTIAL, UM, WITH SUBSTANTIAL DIMENSION THERE IN THE BACK, I THINK THAT SEEMS TO BE A, A PRETTY REASONABLE REQUIREMENT, UM, FOR APPROVAL. SO DEFINITELY ENDORSE THAT ONE. I THINK THAT'S IT FOR ME. THANK YOU, DARREN. THANK YOU CHAIR. UH, THE FIRST QUESTION THAT I HAD IS REGARDING PARKING. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE MADE CHANGES TO MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE HAMPTON INN PROJECT, I DIDN'T SEE THAT REFERENCE HERE. HOW DOES THAT SHOW UP? I MEAN, IS THIS A MINOR OR MAJOR PARKING ADJUSTMENT THAT REQUIRES A STUDY? I'M ASSUMING NOT IF WE DIDN'T MENTION IT, BUT I JUST HAD THAT EARMARKED THAT WE MADE FORMAL CHANGES TO THAT IN OUR IZO. AND HOW DOES THAT APPLY TO THIS PROJECT? THE SMART CODE APPLIES HERE, SO, OKAY. UM, THERE'S NO DISTINCTION IN THE SMART CODE BETWEEN A, A MAJOR OR A MINOR PARKING. OKAY. SO THE CHANGES YOU MADE WITH THE HAMPTON INN WOULD NOT APPLY TO THIS PROJECT. CORRECT? THE, UH, THAT'S CORRECT. THE SMART CODE THROUGH THE WARRANT PROCESS ALWAYS PROVIDED THE PATHWAY OKAY. FOR A PARKING REDUCTION TO BE APPROVED THROUGH APPROVAL OF A WARRANT. SO WHAT, WHEN IN THE, IN THE HAMPTON IN PROJECT, WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT TOOL IN THE STANDARD ZONING CODE. SO THAT'S WHEN WE CREATED IT. THEN FOR, FOR, UM, SITES THAT, THAT ARE SUBJECT TO THE STANDARD ZONING CODE. AND THEN IF THIS IS AN OBVIOUS FOLLOW-UP QUESTION, ARE THERE THRESHOLDS OR FINDING REQUIREMENTS IN THE SMART CODE FOR A WARRANT? OR IS IT SUBJECTIVE OR, YEAH, THE, THE STANDARD IS THAT THE REDUCTION IN PARKING, UH, OR THE WARRANT DOES NOT, UM, THE INTENT OF THE REGULATION FOR WHICH THE WARRANT IS SOUGHT IS BEING MET. SO THE INTENT OF THE PARKING REGULATION IS TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S ADEQUATE PARKING. SO IF WE CAN SHOW THAT THERE'S ADEQUATE PARKING, UH, EVEN WITH THEN THE REDUCTION OF PARKING IS, IS ALLOWED. WELL, AND I KNOW I'M SPRINGING THIS ON YOU GUYS HERE, BUT ARE, DO WE HAVE EXAMPLES OF OTHER PROJECTS THAT HAVE USED THIS WARRANT THROUGH THE SMART CODE? UH, AND ESPECIALLY ANY THAT HAVE ANY SIMILAR UNDERLYING ASSUMPTIONS THAT IS A MUCH LOWER USE BASED ON THE TYPE OF RESIDENTS OR THE TYPE OF USER OF THE FACILITY? DO WE HAVE EXAMPLES OF THOSE KIND OF WARRANTS WE CAN GO ON JUST TO ACHIEVE CONSISTENCY? IF NOT, THAT'S OKAY. OR MAYBE THAT'S ASKING TOO MUCH ON SHORT NOTICE. I'M, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY IMMEDIATELY THAT THAT WOULD'VE BEEN, WOULD'VE UTILIZED A WARRANT FOR THAT. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF NORTH RIVER PERHAPS I, I DON'T KNOW. OKAY. ALRIGHT. WELL, LIKE I SAID, I, I KNEW THAT WAS A QUESTION THAT WAS MAYBE TOUGH ON THE SPOT. UM, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S PARKING ON ONE HAND, I THINK THAT'S A BIG ISSUE. I THINK AS FOLKS WHO ACTUALLY LIVE IN THAT COMMUNITY HAVE MENTIONED THAT CAUSES A A LOT OF STRAIN. AND WE CAN SAY THERE'S OVERFLOW AND WE CAN SAY THAT RESIDENTS WON'T USE SPACES, BUT I THINK WE HAVE 17 SPACES THERE IN THE BACK. WE HAVE 18 EMPLOYEES. UM, THERE IS OVERFLOW IN STREET PARKING, BUT I, I DO THINK THOSE NUMBERS COULD CAUSE PROBLEMS. SO MAKING FINDINGS FOR THAT WARRANT, I, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, WE'LL KIND OF DISCUSS THAT, BUT THAT'S A TOUGH ONE FOR ME. UM, I THINK THE MIXED USE DEBATE THAT, THAT'S A BIG ONE. AT THE LAST MEETING, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE OR I DEFERRED TO OTHER MIXED USE REQUIREMENTS WHEN IT COMES TO RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES THROUGHOUT THE CITY. AND ONE OF THOSE BEING THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE STREET FACING GROUND FLOOR RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY USES, HOWEVER, TO MAINTAIN CONSISTENCY WITH THIS BODY. I WILL, AS THE COUNTERPOINT POINT OUT THAT STAFF DID SHARE ON PAGE 23 ON THE STAFF REPORT OF THAT NOVEMBER, 2021 MEETING, UH, WHERE I KNOW WE HAVE SOME MEMBERS STILL HERE NOW, WHERE IT WAS DEEMED THAT THE CHARACTERISTICS AND ACTIVITIES ASSOCIATED WITH RCFE ARE SIMILAR IN RESIDENTIAL USES. THERE WAS BASICALLY A LIST OF REASONS WHY OUR BODY AT THAT TIME SIGNALED IN A STUDY SESSION THAT THE RESIDENTIAL CARE USES OUTLINED ARE BROADLY IN ALIGNMENT WITH OUR INTERPRETATION OF WHAT CPSP REFERENCED, UH, [02:55:01] AND THE SMART CODE REFERENCES. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS BETTER. I APPRECIATE THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE. YOU KNOW, PART OF ME WONDERS IF THERE'S SOME WAY TO CARVE OUT LIKE A MICRO RETAIL SPACE TO ALL ALONG THE STREET FRONT SO THAT WE LITERALLY HAVE ACTIVATED PUBLICLY USABLE SPACES ON THE STREET FRONT. I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR HAVING RESIDENT ONLY SPACES AS SUPPORT BECAUSE THOSE OTHER FLOORS, ASIDE FROM THE SECOND FLOOR, THE RESIDENTS ON THREE AND FOUR DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, NO PUBLIC KIND OF USABLE SPACES THERE. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT NEED AND HOW IT KIND OF FILLS THAT ON THE GROUND FLOOR. I WONDER IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO AGAIN, MODULATE THAT DESIGN. SO IT'S LITERALLY THE STREET FRONT WITH THOSE BIG BEAUTIFUL GLASS FRONTAGES ARE SPACES THAT ARE ALL AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC ARE SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WALKING BY KNOW THEY CAN GO IN AND USE. UH, SO THAT'S MY COMMENTARY THERE. I THINK WE HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT IN HOW WE, WE GAUGE THIS, BUT I, I ALSO THINK THAT THERE IS AN ARGUMENT THERE FOR MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE HAVING ALL THE SPACES THAT ARE SEEN SOMETHING THE PUBLIC CAN ENGAGE WITH AND REALLY FEEL LIKE THAT IS PART OF THE STREET EXPERIENCE, NOT SOMETHING CORDONED OFF TO THEM. UM, I THINK, UH, ANOTHER THING I WANTED TO CONFIRM. IT SOUNDS LIKE IN MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE DRAWINGS, THERE IS NOT ADDITIONAL GREEN SPACE ASIDE FROM THE TERRACE AND THE ROOFTOP ALONG THE BACK AREA. THAT ALLEYWAY IS THE BORDER OF THIS PROPERTY LINE. SO THERE IS NO ADDITIONAL GREEN SPACE TO PLAY WITH, ASIDE FROM THE SIX PISTACHIO TREES OUT FRONT. THERE'S VERY LITTLE SPACE TO DO PLANTINGS OR CHANGES. OKAY. UM, I WOULD THEN ADVOCATE, AND I THINK THIS IS INDICATED IN THE PLANS AROUND THE COER STRUCTURES. WE HAVE GREEN LIVING KIND OF IN PLACEMENTS THERE. I THINK I'M READING THAT CORRECTLY FROM THE APPLICANT TEAM. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT EXPANDED UPON IF POSSIBLE. I THINK THE VICE MAYOR MADE SOME GREAT STATEMENTS ABOUT SOFTENING THE LOOK OF THIS BUILDING. UM, AND I THINK IF WE LACK THE GREEN SPACE OR THE LEEWAY TO DO MORE PLANTINGS OUTSIDE DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT ALSO IS KIND OF AN ARCHITECTURAL AND DESIGN FEATURE COULD HIT MULTIPLE GOALS. AND I, I SAW THAT THERE, ESPECIALLY IN THE BREEZEWAY ALONG THE, THE COER FEATURES, BUT JUST EXPANDING THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, IDEAS LIKE THAT, UM, I THINK WOULD, WOULD GO A LONG WAY FOR THIS PROJECT. UH, AND THEN I THINK FOR THE CENTRAL GREEN, THAT IS A HUGE PIECE OF THIS PROJECT AND I THINK THERE'S A DECISION ON HOW MUCH WE ATTEMPT TO REHAB THAT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A LOST CAUSE, IF IT, BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY A KEY. WHEN WE OUTLINED HOW THE CPSP ENVISIONS A WALKABLE, INTERCONNECTED NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT CENTRAL GREEN IS REFERENCED AS LIKE THE KEY THAT MAKES THAT POSSIBLE. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S NOT HOW IT'S FUNCTIONING. UM, AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN PUT THAT ON THIS APPLICANT. I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN HAVE NEXUS TO SAY, BECAUSE YOU'RE ONE OF THE FIRST PEOPLE IN THIS AREA USING THIS, WE WANT YOU TO START MAKING IMPROVEMENTS. I THINK THERE'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THERE FOR PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO, TO THAT GREEN. BUT IN TERMS OF WRESTLING WITH THE GREEN ITSELF, I THINK WE HAVE A CHALLENGE IN DECIDING HOW THAT INTEGRATES WITH THIS PROJECT AND ANY PROJECT AND WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY, UH, WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY THAT IT IS. UM, AND THEN I WANTED TO COVER THE CONTEXT AND I THINK COMMISSIONER MOSES BROUGHT UP SOME AMAZING POINTS ABOUT CONTEXT FOR ACTUALLY HOW THIS FACILITY IS BEING USED. UH, I THINK IN TERMS OF PERCENTAGE, YOU KNOW, EXCEEDING A DA SPACES BY A HUNDRED PERCENT, IF THAT TAKES US FROM TWO TO FOUR, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT. I THINK THE PRIMARY USERS OF THIS BUILDING ARE GONNA WANT THOSE FACILITIES. NOW IF THE LOGIC IS THAT IT WON'T BE THE ACTUAL RESIDENTS PARKING THERE, BUT IT WILL BE MOSTLY STAFF, I COULD HEAR THAT ARGUMENT. I HAVE A FEELING THAT THOSE SPACES WILL BE USED BY EITHER RESIDENTS OR FAMILY MEMBERS OF RESIDENTS, ASSOCIATES, FRIENDS OF RESIDENTS. I THINK BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE FACILITY INCREASING THAT BY A HUNDRED PERCENT SEEMS, UH, SEEMS TO BE THE RIGHT MOVE. UM, AND I WOULD SUPPORT ALL THE OTHER MODIFICATIONS FOR SURROUNDING AREAS OF SENIOR USE. I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD SHOW UP IN CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL PER SE, BUT SOME OF THOSE OTHER PARK CHANGES. IT SOUNDS LIKE THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO WORK ON THAT. UH, WITH, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A PARTNERSHIP WITH CITY STAFF OR OTHER RIVERFRONT STAKEHOLDERS OR HOW DOES THAT WORK IF ANY CHANGES TO THE PARK AREA OR ANY OF THESE OTHER SENIOR CHANGES WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT? YEAH, WE'D PROBABLY GET THE PARKS COMMISSION INVOLVED, OR AT LEAST THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR INVOLVED. UM, IT IS PUBLIC, UH, PARKLAND. YEAH. UM, SO, UM, THERE, THERE'D BE A INVOLVEMENT ON, ON, YOU KNOW, BY THOSE FOLKS IN ANY CHANGES THAT WOULD BE MADE THERE. AND I'M GUESSING THAT WOULDN'T BE DEEMED APPROPRIATE FOR A CONDITION OF APPROVAL. IT FEELS LIKE A LITTLE BIT OUTSIDE THE PURVIEW OF US FINDING THAT IT'S REQUIRED. WE CAN HAVE IT AS AN ADVISORY CONDITION. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. 'CAUSE I, I REALLY LIKE THAT IDEA AND I THINK ENHANCING THE CONTEXT OF THE SURROUNDING AREA FOR A VERY [03:00:01] SPECIFIC USE GOES A LONG WAY IN MAKING THIS MORE COHESIVE AND INTEGRATED IN THE COMMUNITY. UH, I ALSO LIKEWISE SUPPORT THE INTEGRATION WITH THE BROADER TRANSIT NETWORK. AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT MAKES SENSE. UM, AND YEAH, I KNOW WE'VE TALKED TO DEATH ABOUT VINYL WINDOWS, UM, AND I THINK THAT FOR NOW, UH, YOU KNOW, I DID HAVE A, A GENERAL QUESTION FOR THE CURRENT PROPOSAL FOR LOT SIX THAT THIS APPLICANT'S MADE. IS THAT ALSO MEMORY CARE OR RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY OR STANDARD TOWN HOMES? NO, IT IS. OR APARTMENTS. UH, 56 APARTMENTS. OKAY. ON THE UPPER FLOORS. AND THEN, UM, SOME, A MIX OF, UH, WORK LIVE UNITS AND JUST STRAIGHT COMMERCIAL UNITS ON THE GROUND FLOOR. OKAY. UM, OKAY. YEAH, SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. I THINK BROADLY WITH, IN TERMS OF THE WARRANTS, YOU KNOW, I THINK PARKING'S AN ISSUE. I'M REALLY CURIOUS TO HEAR WHAT THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE TO SAY ABOUT PARKING. I THINK RIGHT NOW, IF WE MAKE CHANGES TO A DA YES AND CHANGES TO THE LOADING ZONE, I THINK THAT'S A NO-BRAINER. AGAIN, A REALLY IMPORTANT PIECE TO ADD. UM, I THINK I'M GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THAT, EVEN IF I'M WARY THAT THAT IS GONNA CAUSE PROBLEMS. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE AN OBJECTIVE TOOL THAT WE CAN USE TO SAY WHEN A THRESHOLD IS ENOUGH OR WHEN THERE IS ENOUGH PARKING. SO I'M, I'M STRUGGLING A LITTLE BIT WITH THAT ONE. UH, WHEN IT COMES TO THE BUILDING LENGTH, I THINK THERE IS ENOUGH KIND OF ARTICULATION ON THE FRONT. I THINK THERE IS ENOUGH MOVEMENT IN THE BUILDING AND BASED ON THE APPLICANT'S KIND OF FEASIBILITY OF THEIR PROJECT, I DON'T THINK SPLITTING THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, I ENVISIONED WE SEE A BREEZEWAY. I THINK A FULL VERTICAL SPLIT BREAKING THIS UP, UM, MIGHT GET US THERE. BUT IF THAT'S NOT FEASIBLE AND THERE ARE OTHER PARTS OF THE PROJECT THAT HAVE MERIT, I THINK I CAN BE COMFORTABLE, UH, WITH THAT WARRANT. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANKS. THANK YOU, HEIDI. THANK YOU CHAIR. UM, WHEN I FIRST, UM, REVIEWED THIS PROJECT, I, I WAS, UM, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE SENIORS GOING BACK AND FORTH TO THE, UM, CENTRAL GREEN. BUT THEN WHEN I WENT TO THE SITE AND SAW THE CENTRAL GREEN, I DIDN'T THINK THAT MANY PEOPLE WERE GONNA WANT TO GO THERE. UM, . SO I HAVE LESS OF THAT WORRY, BUT IF THE CENTRAL GREEN WAS EVER MADE INTO SOMEPLACE THAT SOMEBODY WANTED TO GO NOW, THAT WOULD CHANGE THINGS A LITTLE BIT AND THAT WOULD MAKE ME WANT TO HAVE MORE CROSSWALKS AND HAVE THE CROSSWALKS ME BE MORE LIT UP AND BE SAFER AND HAVE OTHER TRAFFIC CALMING THINGS AROUND THIS AREA, LIKE SPEED BUMPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT COMES FIRST. THOSE, THE TRAFFIC CALMING AND THE SAFE CROSSWALKS COME FIRST OR THE IMPROVEMENT OF THE PARK. UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, UH, MAYBE A CONVERSATION FOR ANOTHER DAY. BUT THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS AND THOUGHTS FOR THAT. UM, BUT I, I AM JUST WONDERING BECAUSE THIS CENTRAL GREEN IS NOT, I DON'T THINK WHAT ANYBODY HERE WOULD REALLY WANT IS, DID THEY DO WHAT PREVIOUS COMMISSIONERS WANTED? IS THIS WHAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE? IT'S, UH, BEEN CONSTRUCTED TO THE APPROVED PLAN. OH, OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, MOVING ON FROM THAT THEN. UM, AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THE BUS STOP. WHERE IS THAT GONNA GO? SO THAT WILL BE DECIDED BY OUR, OUR TRANSIT FOLKS. MM-HMM. . UM, BUT THE CONCEPTUAL PLANS ARE THE MASTER PLAN ENVISIONED, UH, A BUS STOP, UM, IN FRONT OF THE PROJECT SITE. SO CLOSER TO THE, UH, RESTAURANT SIDE, THE SOUTHERN END OF THE, OF THE BUILDING. AND THEN ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CENTRAL GREEN IN FRONT OF LOT FIVE. OKAY. FOR THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION. IS THAT GONNA TAKE UP PARKING SPOTS? UH, OR COUNTER? NO. NO. OKAY. UH, NO, THERE ARE NO PARKING SPOTS THERE. THERE COULD BE, IF THERE'S NOT A BUS STOP THERE, THERE COULD BE ADDITIONAL PARKING, STREET PARKING, BUT, ALRIGHT. GREAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. WHICH SEGUES INTO MY, UM, MAIN TOPIC, WHICH IS THE PARKING. I REALLY, UM, I'M NOT SURE I'M VERY CLEAR ON HOW WE WOULD LIMIT RESIDENTS FROM HAVING CARS. SO, UM, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT. ARE WE ACTUALLY GOING TO SAY THAT? LIKE, NO, RESIDENTS, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE A CAR HERE, THERE'S NO PARKING FOR YOU HERE, SO YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE A CAR BECAUSE, UM, I HAVEN'T HEARD OF A PLACE WHERE, I MEAN, BERKELEY IS BERKELEY. NOBODY WANTS TO PARK THERE. YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANNA PARK THERE. YOU DON'T NEED A CAR THERE IN BERKELEY ACTUALLY. 'CAUSE YOU COULD WALK TO SO MANY PLACES, BUT NOT THE CASE IN PETALUMA. YOU KIND OF, SOME PEOPLE MIGHT WANT A CAR HERE IN PET PETALUMA. THAT'S JUST THE FACT. SO IF WE'RE NOT GONNA LIMIT, IF WE'RE NOT GONNA SAY TO THE RESIDENCES, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE A CAR HERE, THEY'RE GONNA WANNA HAVE A CAR HERE. SO GIVEN [03:05:01] THAT I AM WORRIED ABOUT OVERFLOW PARKING, GOING AND PARKING WHERE THEY SHOULDN'T BE PARKING AND LONG WALKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THAT IS, THAT'S A THING THAT I'M, I'M WORRIED ABOUT. UM, I'M NOT GONNA LIE. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO ABOUT THAT. 'CAUSE IF THE RESIDENTS, EVEN HALF OF THEM HAVE PARKING AND THEN THE EMPLOYEES, THEN WE'RE, THEN WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING FOR EVERYBODY. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE, WHAT, WHAT THE OPTION B IS FOR THAT. IF THE COMMISSIONERS DON'T REALLY AREN'T REALLY WORRIED ABOUT IT. I'M REALLY NOT ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE CRAZY ABOUT PARKING. BUT THIS IS A PRETTY RESIDENTIAL AND SUBURBAN AREA. IT'S NOT LIKE DOWNTOWN PETALUMA WHERE EVERYTHING IS PROXIMAL AND JUST WALK. YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS CAN WALK. THIS IS NOT THIS SITE. THIS SITE IS IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE AND NOWHERE PEOPLE ARE GONNA WANT CARS TO GET TO PLACES. SO, UM, YEAH, I I AM WORRIED ABOUT PARKING. I'M CURIOUS WHAT THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS THINK AND I'M CURIOUS IF THERE'S ANY, UM, SOLUTION FOR THAT. THAT'S IT. THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS. I AGREE WITH ALL THE OTHER WARRANTS. HELLO. UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'VE COMPILED A LONG LIST, SO I'M NOT GONNA SAVE MY VOICE THIS TIME. UM, I'LL LET YOU GO NEXT. THAT'S FINE. I'LL LET YOU GO. AND THEN I KNOW THE VICE MAYOR WANTS TO SAY ONE MORE THING AND THEN I'LL GO AFTER. ACTUALLY, YOU ALWAYS GO ASK. UM, JUST AS A BIT OF PERSONAL CONTEXT, I SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN A FACILITY LIKE THIS BECAUSE MY BOOBY AND SADIE LIVED AT ROTA GOLDMAN PLAZA IN SAN FRANCISCO FOR THE LAST DECADE OF THEIR LIFE. UM, AND I CAN AT LEAST FROM THAT CONTEXT UNDERSTAND WHAT THE APPLICANT IS SAYING AROUND PARKING, HOW IT WORKED IF MEMORY SERVES, WAS THAT THERE WAS AN UNDERGROUND PARKING STRUCTURE AND WHEN YOU GOT YOUR APARTMENT, YOU ALSO POTENTIALLY PAID FOR A PARKING SPACE. UM, AND MANY DIDN'T. MY GRANDPARENTS CERTAINLY DIDN'T. UM, SO I, I HAVE BEEN GLAD TO REVIEW THIS PROJECT. I THINK YOU'VE DONE A NICE JOB OF, UH, MAKING IT LOOK MORE ATTRACTIVE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I AM ENCOURAGED BY THE COMMUNAL SPACE THAT YOU'RE PROVIDING FOR RESIDENTS AS WELL AS FOR THE PUBLIC. UM, AND APPRECIATE THE WORK PUT INTO ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING. UM, THAT SAID, I ALSO COME WITH THE CONTEXT THAT A FRIEND, AN ARTIST I WORK WITH, KENNY DE FOREST, DIED LAST WEEK FOLLOWING A BIKE ACCIDENT. UM, SO I AM VERY TOP OF MIND WHEN IT COMES TO BIKE AND PED FACILITIES AND AS MANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE SHARED, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY, UM, LYING AT THE FEET OF SPIRIT LIVING, BUT WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO CALL FIELD AND THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I, I JUST REALLY WANT TO GET A HANDLE ON IT, UH, AS THE BRIDGE APPROACHES. UM, SO THAT'S, UH, JUST SOME PERSONAL CONTEXT THAT I CAME TO THIS REVIEW WITH THAT I WANTED TO SHARE. UM, IN, IN TERMS OF THE WARRANTS, YOU KNOW, , I, I'M INCLINED TO SORT OF SAY IT HOW I WANT IT AND THEN STAFF FIGURES OUT HOW TO DO IT. . UH, SO I, I WANT FOUR HANDICAP SPOTS IF THAT MEANS WE'RE INCREASING BY A HUNDRED PERCENT. THAT WORKS FOR ME. UM, I WANT THE, UH, PARKING TO THE RIGHT TO THE LEFT OF STAIR FOUR TO ALL BE EV CHARGERS. YOU'VE GOT THREE SPOTS, UM, ON THAT NORTH END OF THE BUILDING THAT I THINK WOULD BE GOOD CANDIDATES FOR EV CHARGERS. AND I THINK IT IS WORTH ADMITTING THAT THE SHUTTLE VAN WILL COMMAND A PERMANENT SPOT AND IT SHOULD HAVE THE EV SPOT TO THE RIGHT OF THE STAIR, UH, FOR, SO IF THAT MEANS THAT WE NEED TO ADJUST THE WARRANTS TO SAY THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY 16 TUCK UNDER SPOTS IN PLAY, LET'S DO THAT. UM, BUT YEAH, I I, I WILL LEAVE IT TO STAFF AND THE APPLICANT TO SORT OF FIGURE OUT HOW TO REFLECT THAT, THAT END GOAL. THANKS, JANICE. I BELIEVE YOU WANTED TO SAY, UM, QUICKLY, UM, I JUST WANNA KIND OF TALK ABOUT THE CENTRAL GREEN. I DON'T REALLY SEE PEOPLE SITTING IN THE CENTRAL GREEN. I SEE PEOPLE WALKING THEIR DOG ACROSS THE STREET AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WALKING INTO ANOTHER AREA. SO I, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU. UM, I THINK IT'S, UM, IT'S JUST A DECORATIVE AREA AND THAT'S BASICALLY ALL IT IS. I, I DON'T KNOW WHY ANYBODY WOULD WANT TO SIT IN THAT SPECIFIC AREA, BUT I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THE PASS THROUGH AND IT'S MORE FOR PEOPLE WALKING, WALKING THEIR DOGS, WHATEVER THEY'RE GONNA DO. AND THAT'S WHY I THINK THAT A LIT CROSSING IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE NEED TO PLAN, UH, FOR THE FUTURE WITH CALL FIELD. AND I HAVE TALKED WITH THE NEIGHBORS ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, CALL FIELD AND, UM, IMPACTS AND WE'LL BE WORKING WITH THEM, UM, YOU KNOW, AS THE PROJECT, YOU KNOW, COMES [03:10:01] FORWARD BECAUSE, UM, WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT BALLARDS, OR I THINK YOU SAID BALLARDS, UM, THERE ARE AREAS FOR BALL BALLARDS THAT ARE GONNA BE NEEDED WHEN CRAWL FIELD IS COMPLETED. 'CAUSE THE WAY THE HOUSES ARE SET UP, UM, THE ONES THAT ARE REALLY CLOSE. AND SO FOR SAFETY. UM, AND THEN, UM, I AM CURIOUS, HOW MANY PARKING SPACES ARE DO YOU HAVE AT THE BERKELEY SPAY? BERKELEY? TWO SIX. THAT'S, OH, IT WAS 26. OKAY. AND IT WAS PRETTY EMPTY. AND I, I, I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH, UM, COMMISSIONER, UH, BAUER ON PARKING. I MEAN, IT IS A CONCERN AND PEOPLE WILL BE DRIVING AREAS, BUT I GUESS IN THE LONG TERM WHEN THE, WHEN IT'S EVENTUALLY BUILT OUT, IT'LL BE MORE WALKABLE AND HOPEFULLY, UM, ONCE LAKEVILLE IS MAYBE AUGMENTED, IT'LL BE EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO WALK. AND, UM, UH, I THINK I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A CONDITION, UM, CONDITIONAL OF APPROVAL FOR THE ALL AGE PARK. I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT THAT BE PART OF THIS PROJECT. IT CAN BE USED FOR THE NEIGHBORS BUT ALSO FOR THE RESIDENTS. AND I THINK, UM, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT. UM, AND I JUST APPRECIATE WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY COMMENTS WERE AND POSSIBLY LOOKING AT, UH, PERMIT PARKING OR SIGNS SO PEOPLE ARE NOT PARKING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH CAN EASILY HAPPEN. THAT'S IT. AND CHAIR, IF I MAY, I MIGHT JUST ADD, UH, VICE MAYOR. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT POINT. WE DISCUSSED THAT WITH THE HAMPTON ANDN, THE NEIGHBOR'S CONCERNS ABOUT THOSE RESIDENTIAL PARKING PERMITS. UH, IN THEORY OUR CODE ALLOWS IT, THE VEHICLE CODE ALLOWS IT. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A THRESHOLD BESIDES JUST, YOU KNOW, CONSTITUENT COMPLAINTS OVER AND OVER AGAIN BEFORE, BUT IT WOULD BE REQUIRE CITY COUNCIL TO ADOPT THAT RESOLUTION. SO THAT'S DEFINITELY A POSSIBILITY. I'M LOOKING NOW, THERE IS A NEW STATE LAW ENACTED THIS YEAR, AB 8 94, THAT ALLOWS SHARED PARKING AGREEMENTS BETWEEN UNDERUTILIZED PARKING AND DIFFERENT COMMERCIAL OR PUBLIC ENTITIES. UM, THAT MIGHT NOT BE APPLICABLE HERE. 'CAUSE THIS SEEMS TO BE THE FIRST DEVELOPMENT RATHER THAN LOT SIX AND VICE VERSA. UM, BUT MAYBE THAT'S A POSSIBILITY FOR SORT OF UNDERUTILIZED PARKING TO COUNT SORT OF AS TOGETHER AND CHAIR. IT MIGHT BE NICE TO HAVE FIVE MINUTES JUST TO DISCUSS WITH STAFF AND THE APPLICANTS ABOUT THESE CONDITIONS AND SEE IF THERE ARE ANY ISSUES OR ANYTHING ELSE. YEAH, AND I'LL HAVE A BIO BREAK TOO. I'LL JUST WA FOLLOW UP WITH, UM, WHAT YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT. THE HAMPTON HAS A LOT OF PARKING AND IT'S UNDERUTILIZED. AND SO THERE REALLY SHOULD BE, UM, SOME SHARED PARKING. AND AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH OTHER PROJECTS, I THINK WE NEED TO TALK THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE A SHARED PARKING AREA, NOT JUST, UM, SINGLE, BECAUSE YOU HAVE MAYBE 15 CARS AT THE MOST AND THERE ARE, IT'S A WHOLE SEA OF PARKING THERE AND IT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PARK. AND I DO ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION. WHAT IS GONNA HAPPEN WITH THAT GREEN SPACE? YOU? UM, WELL, THE BIG SOCCER FIELD OR WHATEVER SOCCER FIELD, FIELD, THAT FIELD IS SOCCER FIELD. SO, UM, THAT IS A PUBLIC PARK AND IT IS, I THINK UP TO THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT TO GET PROGRAMMING, UM, OF THOSE FIELDS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL I GUESS WE NEED TO ASK . SO I'M TALKING ABOUT THE COURTYARD MARRIOTT. YOU'RE SAYING HAMPTON, ARE YOU, YOU GO COURTYARD. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO BE GO BEFORE WE GO ON BREAK, THESE ARE ALL VERY GOOD COMMENTS. BEFORE WE GO ON BREAK, UH, I'M GONNA MAKE MY COMMENTS 'CAUSE I HAVE A FEELING IF WE GO ON BREAK AND COME BACK, SOMETHING ELSE WILL HAPPEN. . UM, , UH, ONE QUICK THING WITH THE BUS STOP. UH, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ITS LOCATION IS SPECIFIC, SPECIFICALLY KEEPS A DA ACCESSIBILITY IN MIND. UH, I BELIEVE THAT ALL BUS STOPS HAVE TO BE AADA A ACCESSIBLE, THEY ALL HAVE TO BE A DA ACCESSIBLE, BUT I MEAN, THE RUNWAY UP TO THE LOCATION IN PETALUMA, SOME BUS STOPS ARE MM-HMM. ARE MORE ACCESSIBLE THAN OTHERS IN THAT REGARD. I SEE. UM, WE CAN, WE'LL MAKE A NOTE OF THAT, BUT I, I'M CERTAIN THAT ALL NEW CONSTRUCTION OKAY. IS GOING TO BE FULLY ACCESSIBLE RAMPS UP TO SIDEWALKS AND THEN AND SO FORTH, SO, OKAY, GOOD. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT PUT POTENTIALLY PUTTING A LARGE SENIOR COMMUNITY RIGHT BY A TRANSIT CENTER AND THEN THAT COMMUNITY CAN'T ACCESS IT IF THEY'RE UH, SURE. IN A CHAIR OR [03:15:01] HAVE, UH, ANY KIND OF ASSISTANCE. UH, I WANNA PROVIDE SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION THAT WAS BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE 2021 MEETING. I, I REMEMBER THAT MEETING AND I REMEMBER HOW HE DID THOSE MEETINGS. GOT, UM, WE WERE HAVING ISSUES BECAUSE WE WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF COVID AND COMMERCIAL WAS DYING ON THE VINE IN JUST ABOUT EVERY PROJECT. AND SO NEARLY EVERYTHING WE DISCUSSED HAD A, A TINGE OF YES, WE KNOW WE LOVE MIXED USE, BUT THAT WAS ALWAYS COMING UP IN OUR DISCUSSIONS. UH, THE, THE FIRST FLOOR ACTIVATION DISCUSSION, IT WAS YES, THERE WAS A TECHNICAL AGREEMENT THAT IF, IF NOTHING ELSE WORKS, YES, WE WANT TO USE THESE SPACES, WE WANT TO HAVE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. BUT, UH, AT NO POINT WAS THERE A, AT NO POINT DO WE COME TO ANY KIND OF FORMAL AGREEMENT THAT THESE SPACES DID NEED TO HAVE A MIXTURE OF USES, EVEN IF IT'S NOT NECESSARILY COMMERCIAL. AND SO WE STARTED DISCUSSING OTHER COMMUNITY OPPORTUNITIES WITHOUT DOING FIRST FLOOR RESIDENTIAL JUST BECAUSE OF THE TYPE OF PROJECT IT WAS. AND IF, IF I RECALL THAT MEETING CORRECTLY, WE GOT OFF SUBJECT MULTIPLE TIMES. UH, BUT LINKING THAT BACK TO, UH, THE DISCUSSION THAT CAME FROM OUR PUBLIC COMMENT, I WOULD SAY I THINK IT IS REASONABLE TO LOOK FOR USES THAT AREN'T GOING TO HURT THE HOTEL THAT'S ON THE SITE AND AREN'T GONNA HURT THE RESIDENTIAL SPOT. UH, I KNOW THERE ARE ISSUES WITH OUR CURRENT, UH, ZONING CODE THAT MAKES THIS DIFFICULT, BUT I'M SURE A BODEGA WOULD BE GREAT OR GR A SMALL GROCERY STORE. I DOUBT ANYBODY WANTS TO WALK ALL THE WAY OVER TO LUCKY'S AND GO THROUGH THE MARY ISAAC CENTER AND GET PAST THAT. I UNDERSTAND. AND THEN YOU'RE STILL DRIVING TO GO TO A GROCERY STORE THAT SHOULD BE WALKABLE, BUT REALLY ISN'T. I, I UNDERSTAND IT'S A SMALL SQUARE FOOTAGE. THAT'S WHY I HARP ON THE WORD, ON THE CONCEPT OF BODEGA. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S RESTRICT REALLY RESTRICTIVE IN OUR CODE? IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT THAT'S A PERMITTED USE, UM, IN THE, ON THE GROUND FLOOR OF THESE, UH, OF THIS PROPOSAL? ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. AND I, I APOLOGIZE. I HAVE A, I HAVE A HABIT OF WANTING TO JUST BE INCLUSIVE FOR FOLKS THAT ARE HERE, BUT THEN I'M ALWAYS REMINDED AFTER THAT, SUPPOSED TO KEEP THAT SEPARATION. BUT THANK YOU THOUGH. UM, OKAY. I JUST WANT TO FLAG THAT FOR THE APPLICANT IF ONLY BECAUSE I APPRECIATED THE EXAMPLES YOU GAVE US AND THE 3D RENDERING OF THE EXAMPLE FROM BERKELEY OF SOME OF THOSE SPOTS. BUT YOU HAVE AN ENTIRE ENDLESS BARRAGE OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS THERE. SO I IMAGINE EVEN A VERY SMALL GROCERY STORE WOULD DO INCREDIBLY WELL IN THAT SPOT. AND I CERTAINLY CAN'T IMAGINE THAT WOULD HURT THE HOTEL. I DON'T THINK WE COULD EVER MAKE THAT A WARRANT BECAUSE IT'S A BUSINESS USE TYPE. BUT I JUST WANTED TO STRESS THAT, UM, GOING BACK TO ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WAS MADE, UH, DURING PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS, YES, SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED ARE COMMUNITY ISSUES, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND FOLKS THAT COMMUNITY ISSUES AND PLANNING ISSUES ARE INTERTWINED. WE ARE DOING ALL OF THIS FOR THE COMMUNITY. WE ARE NOT DOING THIS FOR THE SAKE OF PLANNING. UH, GOING BACK TO THE FLYOVER ANIMATION, I, I DO NOT MEAN TO DISAGREE WITH A FELLOW COMMISSIONER. IT REMINDED ME A LOT OF THE LAST TIME WE SAW IT. I THINK ONE ISSUE I WOULD JUST LIKE TO BRING UP, AND THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT ALSO I'M SURE DURING STAFF DISCUSSIONS TOO, WITHOUT HAVING, AND I REALIZE THIS IS MORE EXPENSIVE, I'M SURE WITHOUT HAVING THE CONTEXT OF WHAT THAT REALLY LOOKS LIKE, WHAT I, I WAS THERE ON SUNDAY AND WHITE BLOBS STILL MEANT VERY LITTLE TO ME. UH, HAVING EVEN THE FAINTEST GRAPHICAL REPRESENTATION MAKES IT WORK BECAUSE OF COURSE BY CONTEXT THAT ONE WELL RENDERED BUILDING'S GOING TO LOOK GREAT. UH, MOVING THROUGH THIS, UH, ON THE CENTRAL GREENWAY, UH, I, I DID ACTUALLY SIT IN IT, I THINK SOMEBODY HERE SAID THEY WOULD NEVER TAKE A SEAT. THERE. I, I DID TAKE A SEAT. I HAD A GOOSE SHOW UP AND I THINK LAUGHED AT ME AND THEN FLEW AWAY. IT WAS THE WEIRDEST, FLEW TO A FLOCK OVER THERE. IT WAS INCREDIBLY MEAN. BUT, UH, I, I BRING THIS UP TO SAY IT WAS RAINING. THERE WAS NO COVER. I UNDERSTAND THERE THAT TREES HAVE BEEN PLANTED. I UNDERSTAND THAT'S PROBABLY MEANT TO CREATE A FAIR AMOUNT OF NOISE CANCELLATION AS WELL. BUT THERE'S STILL FUNDAMENTALLY NO COVER FOR THAT SPACE TO BE USED. UH, I DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE NEXUS RELATED TO THIS. SO IS IT THE SAME APPLICANT'S WORKING WITH A DIFFERENT [03:20:01] DEVELOPER FOR LOT SIX? CORRECT. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE ARE DIFFERENT INVESTORS OR PARTNERS ON LOT SIX. UM, BUT I, I BELIEVE THEY'RE THE PRIMARY APPLICANT OR DEVELOPER OF THAT PARCEL. THE, THE REASON I BRING THIS UP IS BECAUSE I, I DO THINK WE HAVE, WE HAVE A JUSTIFICATION TO INCLUDE THIS AS A NEXUS FOR A WARRANT TO HAVE AT LEAST HAVE EITHER DIRECTLY THROUGH THIS PROJECT OR SHARED THROUGH THIS PROJECT. AND THEN LOT SIX, SOME KIND OF INVESTMENT IN CREATING SOME SHADE AND FURTHER ACTIVATION OF THE CENTRAL GREEN. I SAY THAT BECAUSE I REMEMBER GOING BACK TO WHEN I GOT APPOINTED, AND THIS WAS AROUND 2020, AND I THINK WE WERE LOOKING AT THE RIVERFRONT PLAN. UM, THEY TALKED ABOUT THE CENTRAL GREEN. IT WAS CONCRETE AND SOME PIPES THAT WERE STICKING OUT AT THE TIME, AS I RECALL. AND IT KEPT BEING HYPED. THE CENTRAL GREEN, THE CENTRAL GREEN, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A CENTRAL GREEN. IT'S GONNA BE GREAT. EVERY SUBSEQUENT APPROVAL, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A CENTRAL GREEN. IT'S GOING TO BE LOVELY, I PROMISE YOU. DON'T WORRY. AND UNLESS WE ARE WILLING TO SIT AND WAIT, I MEAN CONSERVATIVELY 10 YEARS FOR THE TREES, MAYBE TO CREATE REALLY THE THE CANOPY YOU'RE HOPING FOR, WE'RE GONNA NEED SOMETHING ELSE. AND A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS HAVE BEEN CONDITIONED WITH THE IDEA THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE THIS CENTRAL ACCESS POINT. AND AND I, I DO REALIZE I'M JUST THROWING OUT A WARRANT THAT IMPLIES A, A FINANCIAL BURDEN. SO I'M NOT TRYING TO DO THAT FLIPPANTLY. BUT DO THINK IF WE'RE GONNA APPROVE A SPAR ON, ON SENIOR LIVING THAT HAS A GREEN ACTIVATION SITE THAT CAN'T REALLY BE ACTIVATED, THAT ENDS UP BEING PROBLEMATIC. AND THEN INEVITABLY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE WHAT I'M GUESSING ARE APARTMENTS. WE'RE ALSO GOING TO REFERENCE THAT THERE'S A CENTRAL GREEN IN THAT REPORT. I'M SURE IT WILL COME UP IN LIKE THE THIRD PARAGRAPH. SO THE, THIS LONG-WINDED WAY OF SAYING, I THINK THERE'S A JUSTIFICATION FOR A NEXUS. AND I HOPE AT THIS POINT I'M JUST BEATING A DEAD HORSE TO BRING IT UP. UM, MOVING AWAY FROM THE CENTRAL GREEN, I DO WANT TO BRING UP THE DESIGN BECAUSE WE ARE IN A SPAR, A SPAR MEETING. I HAVE TO SAY I HAD A HARD TIME WHEN I SAW THIS WAS THE FINAL PRODUCT. UH, AS THE APPLICANT REFERENCED, THERE WAS A MEETING FOLLOWING THE LAST, FOLLOWING THE LAST JULY PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING THAT WE HAD WHERE THIS WAS WHERE, WHERE THIS WAS EFFECTIVELY PUT ON HOLD. UH, THE APPLICANT WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO MEET WITH COMMISSIONER KELLY, COMMISSIONER KELLY AND STAFF TO GO OVER HIS CONCERNS. HE HAD A WELL REASONED, WELL DETAILED LIST THAT MANY OF US CAME TO SUPPORT IN THE MEETING. HE UNFORTUNATELY PASSED. SO I KIND OF GOT SWAPPED IN HAVING PREPARED FROM THAT MEETING. PLUS FRANKLY, REWATCHING A LOT OF THAT MEETING JUST TO MAKE SURE I HAD A LOT OF HIS POINTS DOWN. MM-HMM. , I DID SEE A VERSION OF THIS DESIGN THERE. I'M NOT SAYING THIS LOOKS SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT, BUT I, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT THAT WAS THE STARTING POINT, NOT WHERE IT WAS KIND OF GOING TO ULTIMATELY END. UH, I AM NOT THE PERSON WHO TRIES TO JUST, JUST TANK A PROJECT JUST BECAUSE THEY DON'T AGREE WITH THE DESIGN AESTHETIC. UH, I, I DO SEE WHERE YOU'VE CREATED MORE VARIATION IN THE FRONTAGES. I DO SEE WHERE YOU'VE CR YOU'VE REALLY INSET THE WINDOWS, UH, AND YOU, YOU HAVE INCREASED THE, THE SIZE OF THE WINDOWS, THAT'S FOR SURE. AND ADDED SOME OF THE SHADE, THE SHADE STRUCTURES TO THEM. UM, THAT, THAT BEING SAID, THERE WAS ONE POINT THAT HE COMMISSIONER BROUGHT UP THAT STUCK WITH ME AND I'VE BEEN REFERENCING, HAS BEEN GOING THROUGH THE PROJECT, WHICH IS THE, HIS IDEA OF ALTOGETHER ARTWORK. IT SHOULD LOOK LIKE IT BELONGS IN THE PLACE THAT IT IS. I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THIS LOOKS LIKE IT BELONGS IN THE AREA THAT IT'S IN, AND THAT'S NOT REALLY YOUR FAULT. UM, THAT'S, I THINK IT'S BECAUSE WE HAVE A FLAWED RIVER MASTER PLAN AND WE'RE IN THE SITUATION BECAUSE OF DECISIONS MADE WELL BEFORE ALL OF US. UH, TO THAT POINT THOUGH, WHILE I'M NOT, I'M NOT GOING TO LET THAT FLIP MY VOTE NECESSARILY. I DO WANT TO STRESS AS YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS THERE, THERE'S GOTTA BE MORE WAYS TO REALLY SOFTEN THIS DESIGN. UH, I, I UNDERSTAND THE, THE ARGUMENT THAT YOU WERE MAKING, THAT THE AR SORRY, I KEEP SAYING YOU AND I REALIZE FOR THE RECORDING, THEY CAN'T SEE WHAT, WHO I'M POINTING AT OR WHY. BUT THE ARCHITECT FOR THE APPLICANT MADE EARLIER THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY TRIED DIFFERENT, EFFECTIVELY DIFFERENT ROOFS, DIFFERENT DIFFERENT EDGES TO IT TO SEE WHAT THEY COULD DO TO SOFTEN IT. IT DIDN'T QUITE LOOK LIKE ITSELF. UH, I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT MAYBE HAVING SOME OPTIONS WOULD'VE BEEN NICE [03:25:01] JUST TO SEE, UH, IF ONLY BECAUSE IT, IT LOOKS LIKE A, A SOFTER VERSION OF THIS DESIGN WE HAD BEFORE WITH A FEW CHANGES ADDED ON. BUT NOT REALLY A, A KIND OF FUNDAMENTAL LOOK BACK THAT I THINK WE WERE HOPING FOR. OKAY. UH, FURTHER ON. AND THEN I, I WILL FINISH. I CAN, I CAN FEEL THE EYES NOW. UH, I DID SEE THAT COMMUNITY BROUGHT UP THE IDEA OF THE SHUTTLE FOR THE SMART SHUTTLE EXTENDING FOR MAYBE MORE THAN JUST THE RESIDENTS. I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT'S FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE. I DID WANNA ASK, ASK THE APPLICANT, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT THAT WOULD BE DOABLE? OR IS THAT A, WOULD THAT JUST, WOULD THAT DEFEAT THE PURPOSE OF THE SHUTTLE? JUST WANTED TO CHECK. WE CAN'T DO IT BY OURSELVES. WE NEED, UH, AT LEAST NEED THE SAME TIME A NUMBER OF OTHER STAKEHOLDERS THAT COULD CHIP IN MM-HMM. TO MAKE IT FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE. THAT'S WHAT, BUT IF, IF YOU HAVE A CRITICAL MASS OF STAKEHOLDERS THERE THAT WERE WILLING TO CHIP IN, WE'D BE TOTALLY OPEN TO IT. UNDERSTOOD. OKAY. AND THEN GOING BACK TO THE PARKING, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO SAVE THAT FOR LAST 'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE THAT'S BEEN THE MOST HEATED SUBJECT SO FAR. UH, I DID WANT TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS BEFORE I GOT INTO THAT, WHICH IS ONE, HOW FREQUENT WILL THE SENIOR SHUTTLE BE? UH, WE HAVE A FULL-TIME DRIVER AND A FULL-TIME SHUTTLE. IS IT A BOOKING SYSTEM? ARE PEOPLE JUST COMING OUT AT A SET TIME WHEN THEY WANT TO? THEY CAN RESERVE, UH, THE SHUTTLE'S ALWAYS THERE. THEY MAKE RESERVATIONS TO THEIR WHATEVER APPOINTMENT THEY HAVE, DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT OR DON'T WANNA GO HERE OR THERE. MM-HMM. UM, AND, UH, SOMETIMES WE AGGREGATE, UH, THE OUTINGS. SO MORE THAN ONE PERSON GOES IN THE SHUTTLE. MM-HMM. BUT SOMETIMES THERE'S ONE PERSON THAT NEEDS TO GO AND, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S NOT THE RESERVATIONS AT THAT TIME, WE'LL TAKE THE RESIDENT TO THEM, SAY A DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT, FOR EXAMPLE. EXAMPLE. OKAY. AND THEN SAME THING FOR THE FULL-TIME DRIVER IS THIS? YEAH. FULL-TIME DRIVER TAKING APPOINTMENTS. YEAH. FULL-TIME DRIVER IS THERE RESPONDING TO THE APPOINTMENTS. OKAY. UH, THE REASON I ASK IS BECAUSE I, I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT THE FACILITY IN BERKELEY DOESN'T HAVE A GREAT DEMAND. I, I WISH AS A CITY WE WERE IN THE POSITION BERKELEY IS IN, IN TERMS OF THE CULTURE THAT'S THERE. WHAT I WANNA KNOW IS HOW REALISTIC THESE MECHANISMS ARE FOR, 'CAUSE IF WE, WE ARE GETTING, IF WE DO END UP GETTING RESIDENTS THAT ARE ACTUALLY FROM PETALUMA, IF THAT GOAL IS MET, YOU'RE LIKELY TO GET RESIDENTS WHO ARE ATTACHED TO THEIR CAR. SO KEEPING THAT IN MIND, I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND HOW REALISTIC IT IS TO EXPECT THAT THIS SHUTTLE, WHICH IS GOING TO BE AT THE, AT THE BECK AND CALL OF ALL OF THE RESIDENTS, UH, AND I REALIZE PROBABLY THE EXTRA CARE ROOMS, THAT'S A LITTLE LESS, BUT STILL THIS ONE SHUTTLE'S GONNA BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THAT. HOW, HOW FREQUENT ARE TRIPS IN BERKELEY? IS THE SHUTTLE OUT ALL DAY? OR DO, DO THEY FIND THAT PEOPLE KIND OF DO THEIR ERRANDS ON A CERTAIN DAY? LIKE WHAT'S THE, WHAT ENDS UP BEING THE RUB THERE? AMIR, DO YOU WANNA, LET ME, LEMME JUST ADDRESS ONE THING AND THEN AMIR, I THINKS MORE IN OPERATIONS. WE HAD A, A TRAFFIC STUDY, UH, THAT WAS DONE. UM, WE HAVE A TRAFFIC ENGINEER HERE. MM-HMM. . UM, THERE ARE 66 SURPLUS PARKINGS SURPLUS PARKING SPOTS. AND I JUST WANNA SAY THAT FOR THE BENEFIT OF COMMISSIONER, UH, RAKUTEN AND, AND, AND COMMISSIONER BAUER WHO BROUGHT UP THIS ISSUE AS WELL. MM-HMM. , UM, AND THOSE PARKING SPACES AROUND THE CENTRAL GREEN, AROUND THE HOTEL. AND IF YOU'VE, YOU'VE BEEN THERE, THERE'S NOBODY PARKS THERE. SO, UM, THE TRAFFIC STUDY BASICALLY SAYS THERE'S LIKE PLENTY OF SURPLUS PARKING THERE. I DUNNO IF THIS ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION, BUT MY, MY QUESTION WAS MORE ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE OFFERING. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY SAYS THERE'S SURPLUS PARKING. I AM VERY MUCH A HUGE FAN OF LESS PARKING IS MORE IN MOST THINGS. BUT I'M TRYING TO VERIFY THAT WHAT YOU'RE OFFERING WILL BE ABLE TO MEET THE DEMAND, THAT'S ALL. SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING ABOUT THE SERVICE. YEAH. OUR FULL-TIME DRIVER IS SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. IT'S, UH, TYPICALLY AN EIGHT HOUR SHIFT. THE SHUTTLE IS OUT PRETTY MUCH, UM, ALL DAY. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT LIKE SCHEDULE, BUT IT'S, UM, IT, IT'S USED, UH, BY RESIDENTS. UM, IT'S ALSO USED FOR GROUP ACTIVITIES. WE DO A LOT OF GROUP ACTIVITIES WITH IT. UM, AND I IMAGINE IT'LL FOLLOW THE SAME PATTERN FOR, UH, FOR PETALUMA AS WELL. OKAY. AND IS THE BOOKING SYSTEM, IS THIS AN APP THAT THEY'RE USING? IS IT NO, THERE'S A, THERE'S A, IS UH, A RECEPTIONIST, UM, OR A, UH, UH, ANOTHER STAFF MEMBER. THERE'S USUALLY A, ALSO IF IT'S AN ACTIVITY RELATED, [03:30:01] THERE'S SOMEBODY THAT'S IN CHARGE OF ACTIVITIES, ACTIVITIES, DIRECTOR, ARRANGES, UM, ACTIVITIES, POSTS A NOTICE, PEOPLE SIGN UP FOR IT. UM, THEY WANNA GO TO THE PARK, THE MOVIES, ET CETERA. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE, WHEN THE SHUTTLE IS LEAVING, IF IT'S A DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT, IT'S THE CARE MANAGER THAT, THAT WILL BOOK IT AND COORDINATE IT. UM, IT DEPENDS LIKE WHAT THE NATURE OF THE VISIT IS OR THE USE OF THE TRANSPORTATION. OKAY. IT, IT'S GOOD TO KNOW THAT THERE IS SOMEBODY WHO'S EFFECTIVELY IN CHARGE OF SEQUENCING THAT. YEAH. THE THING I WAS WORRIED ABOUT IS YOU'VE GOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE WITH COMPETING NEEDS AND NO ONE ACTUALLY MANAGING THAT. JUST ENDING UP EFFECTIVELY A SPREADSHEET SOMEWHERE. YEAH. THAT IS GOOD TO KNOW. UH, HAVE YOU HAD SITUATIONS IN, IN THE BERKELEY FACILITY WHERE YOU HAD COMPETING NEEDS AND YOU HAD TO FIND ALTERNATIVE MEANS OF TRANSIT FOR THESE FOLKS? NOT YET. NOT YET. YEAH. HOW LONG HAS THE FACILITY BEEN OPERATIONAL? ABOUT A YEAR. OVER A YEAR. ALRIGHT. UH, THANK YOU. SURE. THANK YOU. THAT ANSWERS A LOT OF QUESTIONS. AND THEN, UH, WITH REGARDS TO THE WARRANTS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED SO FAR, I'VE PRETTY MUCH BEEN IN FAVOR OF MOST OF THEM FROM THE START. A LOT OF THEM COVERED WHAT I WAS ALREADY EITHER NOTING DOWN OR HAD FLAGGED IN THE NOTES WHEN PREPPING FOR THIS. SO I'M, I'M GLAD WE'RE THERE ON THAT. UH, I THINK WE PROBABLY WANNA HAVE A LONGER DISCUSSION ABOUT PARKING. 'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S THE THING WE MIGHT HAVE THE MOST DISAGREEMENT ON. SO I'M GOING TO SAY WE SHOULD DO A BIO BREAK NOW FOR ABOUT, I'M GONNA GIVE EVERYBODY 10 MINUTES AND THEN, THEN LET STAFF ALSO DISCUSS ABOUT THE FEASIBILITY OF SOME OF THE WARRANTS. THANK YOU EVERYBODY. OKAY, EVERYBODY. WE'RE GONNA COME BACK FROM RECESS. UH, NOW, UH, THE FIRST QUESTION I WANTED TO ASK WAS JUST TO STAFF, IF ANYTHING CAME OUTTA THE DELIBERATION THAT YOU HAD ON THE CURRENT WARRANTS WE HAVE JUST BEFORE MOVING ON. SORRY. SORRY. I KNOW YOU JUST CUT YOU TO YOUR COMPUTER. . RIGHT? AND I WAS THINKING ABOUT, COULD YOU REPEAT THAT PLEASE? UH, WA WAS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE SHOULD KEEP IN MIND THAT CAME OUTTA THE DISCUSSION YOU HAD ON WARRANTS? UH, YES. WE DO WANT TO, UM, REVISIT THE REQUIRED IMPROVEMENTS TO THE CENTRAL GREEN AND TOT LOT. OKAY. UM, SO THAT WAS ONE ITEM. WE WANT TO HAVE A GO BACK AND REVISIT THE SLIDES ON THE PARKING ANALYSIS. UH, BRING THOSE BACK UP FOR JUST FOR CONSIDERATION AND REVIEW, UM, BY THE COMMISSION. AND THEN ALSO, UM, THE APPLICANT TEAM WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THE VINYL WINDOW PROHIBITION WITH THE COMMISSION. AND THEN FINALLY, UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS SOME IDEAS FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO THE CROSSWALKS. I THINK, I THINK ONE THING WE TALKED ABOUT WAS AS, AS, UM, ASSISTANCE, UH, CITY ATTORNEY BRADY WILL IS, IS GOING TO DISCUSS MANY OF THESE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS ARE PART OF THE, THE CFD. THEY'RE FUNDED THROUGH A SHARED APPROACH OF ALL OF THE VARIOUS PROJECTS THAT HAVE PAID INTO IT AS THEY EVOLVE AND CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THEM. SO WE'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, WE, WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE COMMISSION WANTS. UH, WE'RE TRYING TO, TO, UH, FIGURE OUT AND WORK WITH THE COMMISSION ON HOW BEST TO ACHIEVE THAT. GIVEN THAT THIS IS ONE OF, OF SEVERAL PROJECTS THAT HAVE COME FORWARD. AND THEN WE STILL HAVE AT LEAST ONE MORE PROJECT TO COME FORWARD. SO, OF COURSE. SO I'LL JUST ADD, LIKE ANDREW SAID, THESE PROJECTS OR PROPERTIES ARE SUBJECT TO THE COMMUNITY FACILITIES DISTRICT, CFD AND HOW CFDS WORK IS, DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTIES AND DEPENDING ON THOSE USES, WHETHER THEY'RE COMMERCIAL OFFICE, RESIDENTIAL, THEY ARE ALL REQUIRED TO PAY A SPECIFIC PERCENTAGE, UH, BASED ON WHAT THE CFD, WHICH WAS APPROVED BACK IN 2017. SO IN THESE CFDS, THEY, UH, ARE THE FUNDING MECHANISM FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH IN INCLUDES THE LOT, THE CENTRAL GREEN. SO THAT IS WHERE THE NEXUS AND PROPORTION FOR THESE IMPROVEMENTS ARE. THEY'RE SPECIFICALLY FROM THE CFD. SO I DON'T BELIEVE WE WOULD BE ABLE TO ADD ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS FOR PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS, UH, THAT ARE ADDITION BESIDES THE CFD. 'CAUSE THE CFD IS DIRECTLY PROPORTIONAL FOR WHAT THOSE IMPROVEMENTS ARE. UM, BUT STAFF WERE THINKING OF, UH, [03:35:01] THERE IS THE PUBLIC ART REQUIREMENT, AND IT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE IF THE COMMISSION ENTERTAINS IT, IS TO HAVE SORT OF THE PUBLIC ART REQUIREMENTS BE SORT OF A FUNCTIONAL SHADING THAT OCCURS IN THE TOWN OR THE CENTRAL GREEN OR THE TALLAH. SO ANDREW, ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO ADD ON THAT OR? I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD, BUT IF THE COMMISSION ASKS QUESTIONS, WE'RE HAPPY TO, UH, DIALOGUE. WELL, I JUST, SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT FOR MOST OF THE SITE IMPROVEMENTS WE MIGHT WANTED TO HAVE WARRANTED, I'M ASSUMING LIKE THE CROSSWALK IMPROVEMENTS, THIS WOULD BE THROUGH THE CFD. WELL THEN HOW IS THAT BEING MANAGED? I THINK THE, THE CROSSWALK IMPROVEMENTS BECAUSE, BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT, THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE CAWFIELD BRIDGE PROJECT, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE DESIGN OF THAT ENTIRE CORRIDOR. AND I WANT TO BE CONSCIOUS OF THE WORK THAT PUBLIC WORKS IS DOING ON DESIGN AND NOT WRITE THE CONDITION IN THE WAY THAT WE CAN'T COLLABORATE EFFECTIVELY. MM-HMM. WITH THEM. UM, BOTH IN TERMS OF ACHIEVING THE GOALS OF THE COMMISSION, WHICH ARE TO ENHANCE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY IN THOSE CROSSWALK AREAS. BUT THEN ALSO THE TIMING OF THAT. UM, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE MORE ADVANTAGEOUS TO TIME IT WITH, UM, THE, THE EVOLUTION OF THE BRIDGE PROJECT RATHER THAN, UM, THE TIMING OF THE, UH, SPIRIT LIVING PROJECT. SO I, I THINK IT'S, IT'S, I DON'T THINK THE APPLICANT TEAM HAS, I, I THINK EVERYBODY'S SUPPORTIVE OF THE GOALS OF THE COMMISSION. UM, RIGHT. BUT THERE'S, THERE'S SOME MOVING PIECES THERE THAT WE NEED TO, RIGHT. AND I, I CAN SEE WHERE THE, WAIT FOR EXAMPLE, WARRANT FOR RAISE CROSSWALKS, ET CETERA, THAT YOU WOULD HAVE, YOU'D WANT TO HAVE THE QUALIFICATION FOR PUBLIC WORKS AND QUALIFICATION FOR ONGOING PROCESS AND THAT SORT OF THING. RIGHT? MM-HMM. THAT, THAT MAKES TOTAL SENSE TO ME. BUT I JUST FOR THE CFD COMPONENT, 'CAUSE I, I HAVE A SNEAKING SUSPICION THAT IT BECOMES, WE REFERENCE CFD AS THE ACTIVE PARTNER IN THIS OR AS THE ACTIVATING MECHANISM IN THIS, BUT THEN WE DON'T EXPLAIN WHAT THAT MEANS. AND THEN THERE'S NO, SO I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, UH, IF, WOULD IT THEN BE CENTRAL GREEN THAT WOULD BE KEPT, HELD UNDER CFD? LIKE WHICH IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WOULD ACTUALLY BE HANDLED THAT WAY? I, I BELIEVE THAT WE WOULD WANT TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE CROSSWALK IMPROVEMENTS AND THEN THE CENTRAL GREEN PLUS TOT LOT IMPROVEMENTS. I THINK THOSE ARE TWO SEPARATE IMPROVEMENTS. MM-HMM. . AND WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE IS, IS THAT THE APPLICANT IMPLEMENT THEIR PUBLIC ART REQUIREMENT BY PROVIDING FUNCTIONAL ART IN THE CENTRAL GREEN AREA. OKAY. UM, AND THEN WE, THEN WE DISCUSSED, WELL, COULD THE PUBLIC IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PUBLIC ART REQUIREMENT ALSO INCLUDE PROVIDING THE, UM, THE ACTIVE ADULT FACILITIES IN THE TOT LOT AREA. UM, OKAY. I'M, I'M LESS SURE HOW THAT LOOKS. I, I THINK I CAN, I CAN ENVISION HOW IMPLEMENTATION OF A FUNCTIONAL ART PROJECT IN THE CENTRAL GREEN THAT WOULD PROVIDE SHADING WOULD LOOK. UM, SO, SO, BUT UH, BUT THEN ALSO WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE CITY PARKS DIVISION AND, AND UM, YOU KNOW, PART PARTNERSHIPS THERE TO IMPROVE THE FACILITIES AND THE PUBLIC PARK AREAS. OKAY. SO, BUT I CAN'T, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR PARKS DIVISION ON THE ABILITY TO FUND THOSE OR IMPLEMENT THEM. ALRIGHT. SO THEN REALLY, 'CAUSE I, I VERY MUCH GOT FI FOCUSED ON THE CFD OF IT ALL, OR AT LEAST THAT, THAT JOINT FUNDING MECHANISM OF IT ALL FOR THE, THE ITEMS THAT YOU'VE LISTED FROM THE WARRANTS WE WERE DISCUSSING, REALLY WE NEED TO GO THROUGH AND DISCUSS REALISTICALLY IS IT HAPPENING DIRECTLY THROUGH IN WARRANT? ARE WE ASKING TO WORK WITH SOME OF THEIR ASPECT OF THE CITY AND KIND OF GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THESE? RIGHT. I THINK THAT WOULD BE BEST. YES. OKAY. YEAH. UM, WITH THAT IN MIND, WE WERE ON PARKING BEFORE WE WENT ON A BREAK, SO I WAS THINKING WE WOULD GO BACK TO THE PARKING DISCUSSION. I WAS GONNA ASK THEM TO BRING UP THE PARKING SLIDES AGAIN AS THEY SUGGESTED THEIR PARKING ANALYSIS TO GO THROUGH. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. AND IF, UH, THE APPLICANT, THEIR PARKING PERSON IS HERE, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. CAN ANSWER A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS. 'CAUSE I GOT A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION, UM, ON PARKING AND IT MADE A LOT OF SENSE AND I THINK WOULD CALM EVERYBODY DOWN ON THE PARKING. THAT WOULD BE LOVELY. COULD [03:40:01] WE START WITH THE PARKING ANALYSIS? ABSOLUTELY. SO THE DEMAND FOR THE PROJECT, UH, PARKING DEMAND IS A TOTAL OF 41 SPACES. UH, ON SITE. THERE ARE 22 SPACES AVAILABLE. 17 ARE TUCK UNDER PARKING SPACES, PLUS THE FIVE OPEN PARKING SPACES THAT ARE ON THE PARK SIDE OF THE ALLEY. AND THEN THE 10 SPACES ON THE EAST SIDE, THE STREET SIDE. SO THERE'S A TOTAL OF 32 PARKING SPACES, UH, THAT ARE AVAILABLE ON THE ROADWAY TO THE NORTH OF THE PROJECT SITE IN FRONT OF THE HOTEL. UH, THERE ARE 43 STREET PARKING SPACES ON THE ROADWAY BETWEEN THE PLAY FIELDS, THE ACTIVE BALL FIELDS, AND THE COURTYARD MARRIOTT PARKING. THERE ARE 20 PARKING SPACES. SO A TOTAL OF 63 STREET PARKING SPACES ON THOSE TWO STREET SEGMENTS. WHEN THE COURTYARD MARRIOTT IS, UH, FULL, WHEN THE OFFICE BUILDING IS COMPLETED IN FULL AND WHEN THEY'RE, UH, THE BALL FIELDS ARE BEING USED, 27 OF THE 63 STREET PARKING SPACES WOULD BE USED BY THOSE SPACES. THAT LEAVES 36 UNUSED PARKING SPACES WHEN ALL OF THE SURROUNDING USES ARE AT FULL OCCUPANCY. SO WE HAVE AN EXCESS OF 36 PARKING SPACES. THE PROJECT WOULD NEED NINE OF THOSE SPACES. SO THERE'S PLENTY OF EXCESS PARKING SPACES ON THE PUBLIC STREETS WEST AND NORTH OF THE PROJECT SITE TO DRIVE SOME OF THOSE POINTS HOME. COULD SOMEONE PLEASE PULL UP ATTACHMENT D THE FOCUS TRANSPORTATION STUDY? PAGE SEVEN. OKAY. I THINK THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO. UH, NOW ATTACHMENT D, PAGE SEVEN HAS AN, A GOOD GRAPHIC OUTLINING THOSE AREAS YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT. OOPS, SORRY. D AS IN DOG. YES. LET ME, I I HAD THE, UH, JUST TAKING A MINUTE TO LOAD. THANK YOU. IT'S STILL LOADING. I, I ZOOMED IN. UH, ONE OF THE OTHER POINTS WHILE THIS LOADS IS, UH, AS PART OF THE APPROVAL OF THE RIVERFRONT PROJECT, THE CITY REQUIRED, UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS 30 OR SO PARKING SPACES ON BEHIND THE COURTYARD MARRIOTT TO BE AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC USE. SO THERE'S A PUBLIC EASEMENT, A SHARED PARKING EASEMENT OVER THAT, OVER THAT AREA. I'M SORRY, I'M NOT SURE WHY THIS IS NOT LOADING. OH, THERE WE GO. SO THE 20 PARKING SPACES ARE ON THIS SEGMENT OF COFIELD LANE. THERE ARE 43 PARKING SPACES ALONG THIS SEGMENT OF HOPPER WHEN THOSE, UH, WHEN THE HOTEL, THE OFFICE ON LOT ONE AND THE BALL FIELDS ARE IN USE OF THOSE 63 SPACES ON CAULFIELD AND HOPPER, UM, OF THOSE 63 27 WOULD BE USED. SO THE PARKING LOTS WOULD BE FULL AND 27 OF THESE SPACES WOULD BE USED LEAVING A SURPLUS OF 36 PARKING SPACES. [03:45:03] THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WOULD NEED NINE OF THOSE SPACES. DO YOU, ARE YOU IMPLYING FULL AS IN REACH THE LIMIT OF WHAT THEY LEGALLY CAN OCCUPY? UM, THAT'S THE ANALYSIS THAT WAS DONE IN THE TRAFFIC, UH, REPORT. SO THE GENTLEMAN WHO WROTE IT IS YOU, I'LL LET HIM ANSWER THAT QUESTION. YEAH. . SO, OOPS, SORRY ABOUT THAT. YEAH. SO MAY, MAYBE IT'S JUST EASIER IF I EXPLAIN IT. 'CAUSE I, I WROTE THIS. SO, UM, SO AGAIN, BRIAN CANA, I'M FROM W TRANS, UM, PARKING GUY. SO OUR ANALYSIS WAS BASED, WAS BASED ON THE INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS AND THE DATA THAT THEY HAVE. RIGHT. SO THEY HAVE A GREAT MANUAL CALLED THE PARKING GENERATION MANUAL. IT'S ALL BASED ON EMPIRICAL DATA OBSERVED SITES IN VARIOUS TYPES OF AREAS. THE TYPES OF AREAS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN THIS PARTICULAR CIRCUMSTANCE ARE SUBURBAN ONES. SO WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT CENTER CITY, WE'RE NOT LOOKING EVEN AT DENSE AREAS. WE'RE LOOKING AT GENERAL SUBURBAN SITES. AND SO OUR PARKING DEMAND ESTIMATES ARE BASED ON RATIOS, UM, FOUND WITHIN THAT MANUAL TO PREDICT HOW MUCH THE PARKING DEMAND IS GONNA BE. I THINK THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION. THERE WAS A QUESTION EARLIER ABOUT LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, I SAW THERE'S 30 EMPLOYEES IN THERE. DOES THIS PARKING DEMAND ONLY REFLECT EMPLOYEE DEMAND? NO, THAT'S NOT THE CASE. IT'S JUST THE VARIABLE THAT'S USED TO MEASURE DEMAND AGAINST. SO SIMILARLY YOU COULD DO IT FOR SQUARE FOOTAGE, UM, AND SO FORTH. SO THIS DEMAND THAT WE'RE COMING UP WITH IS A PEAK DEMAND FOR THE WHOLE SITE, FOR EVERYTHING THAT'S BEING USED HERE FOR THIS PARTICULAR USE. UM, I'LL JUST SAY IN THIS CONTEXT HERE, YOU KNOW, THE TRENDS IN PARKING DEMAND, 'CAUSE I'VE, I'VE SEEN THESE DIFFERENT MANUALS AND THE, THE DEMANDS. I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR LIKE 20 YEARS. UM, I SIT ON THE, THE NATIONAL BOARD THAT CAME UP WITH THE LATEST ITE MANUAL, THE SIXTH, SIXTH EDITION IN THERE. THE TRENDS IN PARKING DEMAND HAVE GONE DOWN VIRTUALLY EVERY YEAR. NOT HUGELY, BUT THEY CONTINUE TO GO DOWN. THERE'S A DEFINITE SHIFT AWAY, QUITE RIGHTLY, FROM PROPERTIES PROVIDING THEIR OWN SET OF RESERVED PARKING ON SITE. YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN THIS AS KIND OF THE STANDARD MODEL IN THE US OVER THE SECOND HALF OF 20TH CENTURY INTO TODAY, HAS CREATED, FRANKLY, A HIGHLY INEFFICIENT SYSTEM THAT WE LIVE IN RIGHT NOW WHERE EVERYONE HAS THESE DIFFERENT PRIVATE LOTS. IT LEADS TO A HUGE UNDER UTILIZATION OF PARKING. YOU'VE SEEN THIS IN, IF YOU'VE READ THE NEW YORK TIMES IN THE PAST SIX MONTHS OR WASHINGTON POST, YOU'LL SEE THEY'VE HAD BIG ARTICLES ABOUT THIS. UM, AND SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT MORE FOCUS RECENTLY ON WHY YOUR CODE IS SET UP THIS WAY IS TO REALLY FOCUS ON THE EFFICIENT USE OF PARKING WHERE WHEREVER IT HAPPENS TO BE, WHETHER IT'S ONSITE, WHETHER IT'S ON STREET OR OTHER SHARED FACILITIES. AND SO WHEN WE WENT TO LOOK AT THIS ANALYSIS, AND OBVIOUSLY STAFF ALREADY COVERED THIS, BUT THERE'S QUITE A FEW EMPTY PARKING SPACES ON STREET, EVEN AT PEAK HOUR. SO WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT WAS, AND I'M SORRY, I'M KIND OF GETTING AROUND TO THAT, WAS THIS WAS AT PEAK HOUR FOR ALL OF THESE USES COMBINED. SO WHEN EVERYTHING IS AT ITS MAXIMUM, HOW MANY EMPTY SPACES DO YOU HAVE? AND AGAIN, THIS IS GONNA HAPPEN WHEN ALL THESE USES ARE HUMMING. SO IF IT'S NIGHTTIME, YOU KNOW, WHEN MOST RESIDENTS ARE HOME, PEOPLE ARE NOT GONNA BE IN THE PARK. RIGHT? SO THE DEMAND WILL BE LOWER DURING THAT TIME OF THE DAY. THIS IS AN AREA WHERE YOU HAVE NOT ONLY A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF ON-STREET PARKING AND UNDERSTAND THAT CAN CHANGE OVER TIME. THAT'S BOUND TO HAPPEN. BUT EVEN AT THE MARRIOTT, MY UNDERSTANDING, I DON'T HAVE ANY PARKING DEMAND COUNTS TO SUBSTANTIATE THIS, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE'S ALSO SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF EMPTY PARKING THERE THAT REALLY IS BEST TO UTILIZE BEFORE YOU'RE PROVIDING NEW PARKING ELSEWHERE. UM, IN THE CONTEXT. I'LL JUST LAST COMMENT I'LL SAY TOO, IN TERMS OF SENIOR DEVELOPMENTS, YOU KNOW, I, I DID ACTUALLY DO A PARKING STUDY ONCE AT THE, UH, REDWOODS DEVELOPMENT DOWN MILL VALLEY. I'M FROM MILL VALLEY ORIGINALLY. UM, AND IT WAS AN INTERESTING STUDY BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY HAD A SOMEWHAT SIMILAR SYSTEM. THEY HAD A VAN SERVICE OR SHUTTLE THAT ACTUALLY PROVIDED TO RESIDENTS TO TAKE THEM PLACES. AND WHAT THEY FOUND WAS THAT RESIDENTS, EVEN IF THEY DID HAVE CARS, ALMOST NEVER USED THEM. THE ONLY REASON WHY THEY ACTUALLY BROUGHT THEIR CARS IN THE FIRST PLACE IS BECAUSE THEY HAD A FREE SPOT TO PARK THEM. AND WHEN THEY ACTUALLY STARTED INTRODUCING A SHUTTLE SERVICE AND SAID, GOSH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA MAYBE GET RID OF SOME OF THIS PARKING, THE RESIDENTS ACTUALLY WERE MORE THAN HAPPY TO GET RID OF THEIR CARS IF THEY HAD AN ALTERNATIVE WAY TO GET AROUND. UM, SO THIS IDEA THOUGH, THAT EVERY HOUSEHOLD HAS A VEHICLE JUST SIMPLY DOESN'T PLAY OUT IN ANY OF THE DATA THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE, WHETHER IT BE THROUGH ITE THROUGH THE URBAN LAND INSTITUTE, THEY DO A GOOD SHARED PARKING MANUAL AS WELL, UM, AND SO FORTH. SO HAPPY TO SHARE ANY OF THAT DATA. IT'S ALL PUBLICLY AVAILABLE. BUT, UM, AND HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AS NEEDED WHILE WE'RE ON THE SUBJECT. OH, SORRY. I WAS GONNA SAY WHILE WE'RE ON THE SUBJECT [03:50:01] OF PARKING AND WHILE WE HAVE THE, THE RARE OCCASION THAT THE PERSON WHO ACTUALLY WROTE THE STUDY IS HERE, UH, DO OTHERS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR HIM ON THE TRAFFIC DATA? HEIDI? WELL, I JUST HAVE THE ONE QUESTION ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S REGARDING THE TRAFFIC, BUT IT'S A PARKING ON THIS. SO I JUST WANNA BE SUPER CLEAR. SO IN THE, UM, PARKING ALLOCATION, IT SAID THERE ARE 20 SPACES FOR RFCE AND DOES THAT INCLUDE THE EMPLOYEES TOO, OR IS THAT JUST 20 SPACES FOR RESIDENTS? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE ACTUAL SUPPLY OF SPACES ON SITE? YES. MM-HMM, THAT, THAT'S MORE OF A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. OKAY. I DIDN'T DESIGN THIS, SO I, I DO YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THAT? SURE. IT'S, IT'S COMBINED. OKAY. SO 20 SPACES FOR COMBINED. AND, AND HOW MANY EMPLOYEES ARE THERE GONNA BE AT ANY ONE GIVEN TIME? UM, A PEAK SHIFT WILL PROBABLY HAVE 15 TO 18 EMPLOYEES. OKAY. SO AT PEAK, MAYBE THAT WOULD LEAVE TWO SPACES FOR RESIDENTS? YEAH, MOST, UH, I MEAN A LOT OF OUR, UH, UH, EMPLOYEES EITHER CARPOOL OR DROPPED OFF. UM, I WOULD SAY EVEN IN BERKELEY, VERY FEW, UH, I THINK MAYBE ONE OR THREE, I CAN COUNT THREE CARS RIGHT NOW, BUT VERY, IN BERKELEY, THE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION IS QUITE ROBUST TOO. I MEAN, WE ARE ABOUT AN HOUR OR AN A MILE FROM SMART TRAIN. UM, WE'RE HOPING TO HIRE LOCALLY. UM, AND, UM, I, YEAH, I, I DON'T THINK, I THINK THE MAJORITY, MY SENSE IS IT'LL PROBABLY FALL THE SAME PATTERN AND, UM, A MAJORITY OF OUR STAFF IS, IS NOT GONNA BE RELYING ON THAT, ON THOSE ONSITE PARKING SPACES. MM-HMM. OKAY. YEAH, I I THINK WE'RE A VERY DIFFERENT, UM, BEAST HERE IN PETALUMA THAN IN BERKELEY. YEAH. UM, IN TERMS OF PEOPLE, UM, BEING ABLE TO TAKE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION TO THIS SITE AND OR ACTUALLY DOING IT, JUST TO ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE BACKGROUND ON THIS ACTUAL LOCAL DATA, UM, BECAUSE I'M, I'M ALSO LOCAL HERE, I'M, I WORK AND LIVING HERE IN SONOMA COUNTY. I MEAN, THE DRIVE ALONE RATE FOR MOST EMPLOYEES HERE TENDS TO FLUCTUATE AROUND THREE QUARTERS. UM, TENDS TO BE ABOUT THE AVERAGE FOR THE COUNTY. SO IT'S NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT, IT'S NOT ZERO THREE QUARTERS IS WHAT THE, UH, THE NUMBER IS 75%. SO YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT HOW EMPLOYEES WITHIN THE COUNTY TRAVEL TO WORK, THE DRIVE ALONE RATE TENDS TO HOVER BETWEEN 75 TO 80%. RIGHT? MM-HMM. . UM, SO THAT IS KIND OF WHAT YOU MIGHT EXPECT, UM, IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS. NOW, AGAIN, THAT WILL VARY BASED ON INCOME LEVEL, YOUR ACCESS TO TRANSIT AND SO FORTH. SO I CAN'T OBVIOUSLY GUARANTEE IT. RIGHT. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, UM, GENERALLY, YOU KNOW, ON WORK SITES, IF YOU, IF YOU'RE GONNA SAY YOU'RE GONNA HAVE 18 EMPLOYEES, YOU FIGURE MAYBE THREE QUARTERS OF 'EM DRIVE ALONE. MAYBE THEY'RE NOT ALL THERE AT THE SAME TIME. 'CAUSE EMPLOYEES ARE ALMOST NEVER ON SITE AT THE SAME TIME. SO YOU MIGHT LOSE A COUPLE THERE. SO THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU, I THINK, A, A ROUGH SENSE OF HOW MANY VEHICLES THAT YOU MIGHT BE EXPECTING. OKAY. AT ANY GIVEN POINT. YEAH. OKAY. SO MAYBE THEY WOULD USE UP 13 OF THE SPACES, BUT THERE ARE 106 UNITS, SO THAT LEAVES, YOU KNOW, SEVEN MAYBE FOR RESIDENTS. SO HONESTLY, I'M JUST NOT PASSING THE SNIFF TEST THERE. SO IN ORDER TO MAKE THE THING I'M WORRIED ABOUT, I'M NOT THAT WORRIED ABOUT A RESIDENT MIGHT COME IN THERE KNOWING THAT THERE'S VIRTUALLY NO PARKING FOR THEM AND KNOWING THEY NEED TO PARK IF THEY WANNA HAVE A CAR FAR AWAY OR SORT OF REMOTELY. I JUST DON'T WANT THEM PARKING IN THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND TAKING UP THEIR SPOTS. THAT'S MY MAIN THING. SO IF WE CAN SOMEHOW FIGURE OUT A WAY TO ACCOMMODATE THAT, SO HAVE, YOU KNOW, PERMIT PARKING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEN I THINK I'D BE OKAY. BECAUSE AGAIN, THE RESIDENTS OF THIS FACILITY WOULD KNOW THAT THEY'RE IN FOR A WORLD OF PAIN IF THEY WANNA HAVE A CAR THERE. SO I JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WOULD BE MY, THAT WOULD BE MY WAY OF APPROVING THIS PROJECT TO HAVE SOME SORT OF, UH, ACCOMMODATION FOR THE, UM, COMMUNITY SO THAT THEY CAN KNOW THAT THEY CAN PARK IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE. UH, DARREN, I THINK THIS BUILDS OFF THAT DIRECTLY. IN YOUR EXPERIENCE, IS IT ATYPICAL TO BUDGET IN ZERO ADDITIONAL SPACES FOR RESIDENTS AT A NURSING HOME FACILITY? 'CAUSE I SEE THE 0.67 RATE FOR THE 30 EMPLOYEES. MM-HMM, THAT TRACKS WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. IS IT ATYPICAL OR IS IT STANDARD TO JUST EXCLUDE RESIDENTS FROM THESE CALCULATIONS? 'CAUSE I TOO FIND IT STRANGE THAT WE WOULD ASSUME NO ONE WILL BE USING A CAR. SO IT DEPENDS ON, UH, IT DEPENDS ON THE TYPE OF FACILITY. IF YOU'RE TALKING FOR SENIOR FACILITIES, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, GENERAL, UH, DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE 55 AND OVER WHERE MEET PEOPLE ARE MORE MOBILE AND CAPABLE OF GETTING THEMSELVES AROUND, NO, THAT'S NOT THE CASE AT ALL. SO THIS, THIS ANALYSIS ASSUMED THROUGH CONVERSATIONS [03:55:01] WITH THE APPLICANT THAT MOST, IF NOT ALL THE RESIDENTS WOULD NOT BE DRIVING THAT FOR, FOR A VARIETY OF CIRCUMSTANCES. AND THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY PLACES THAT IT PLAYS OUT THAT WAY. THIS DATA THAT WE HAVE HERE, THE 0.67 PER EMPLOYEE THAT COMES FROM ITE FROM ACTUAL SITES AROUND THE COUNTRY, I DIDN'T COME UP WITH THAT. UM, AND SO IT'S, AND AGAIN, THIS ISN'T A, IN A SUBURBAN SETTING, THIS IS NOT DOWNTOWN SAN FRANCISCO, THIS IS NOT BERKELEY. UM, THESE ARE IN RELATIVELY, YOU KNOW, AUTO ORIENTED PLACES. UM, AND, AND FOR THE APPLICANT TO BUILD ON THAT FOR THE THIRD AND FOURTH FLOORS, BECAUSE WE KNOW THE SECOND FLOOR IS MEMORY CARE FOR THE THIRD AND FOURTH FLOORS. CAN YOU JUST GIVE US AGAIN THAT QUICK PROFILE OF THE RESIDENT WHO'S GONNA BE LIVING THERE, YOU KNOW, JUST TO TRACK WITH, WITH WHAT HE JUST SHARED, UM, IT WOULD BE VERY SIMILAR TO BERKELEY AND IN BERKELEY WE HAVE, UM, ONE RESIDENT THAT HAS A CAR AND IS INCREASING IN, IN AND BASICALLY USING IT LESS AND LESS. IS IT AGE RESTRICTED AT ALL OR IS IT, COULD THERE BE 55 YEAR OLDS WHO ARE ACTIVE WHO COULD POTENTIALLY BE MOBILE? IS THERE ANY STIPULATION ON WHO WOULD BE LIVING ON THOSE THIRD AND FOURTH FLOORS? OR COULD IT BE A MORE ACTIVE SENIOR OR WHAT, WHAT'S THAT DYNAMIC DO YOU THINK? TYPICALLY IN, IN COMMUNITIES THAT, UH, THE COMMUNITIES THAT WE DESIGN THAT YOU, THEY SEE JUST BY NATURE OF IT BEING A CONTINUING CARE, WE'RE HAVING A HIGHER ACUITY FLOOR WHERE SOMEBODY CAN AGE IN PLACE, THEY'LL TYPICALLY MOVE IN WHEN THEY NEED SOME ASSISTANCE WITH ACTIVITIES OF DAILY LIVING, WHERE IT'S, THEY MAY NOT WANT TO WASH THEIR OWN LAUNDRY OR DO THEIR OWN LINENS, OR THEY NEED HOUSEKEEPING. IN OTHER WORDS, THEY'RE MORE DEPENDENT ON SOME FORM OF ACTIVITY OF DAILY LIVING. UM, AND BECAUSE OF THAT, THEY'RE LESS LIKE A 55 AND OVER PERSON IS ACTIVE IN GOING OUT AND CONSTANTLY DOING THEIR OWN THING. I MEAN, AVERAGE AGES, I THINK WE'RE WELL INTO LIKE 80, LIKE THE EIGHTIES. UM, OKAY. UH, THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND THEN TO FLAG FOR STAFF, DO WE HAVE A MECHANISM WITH THE SMART CODE BASED ON THIS CALCULATION AND HOW MUCH WE ANTICIPATE OVERFLOW TO BE ON THOSE PUBLICLY AVAILABLE SPACES? DO WE HAVE SOMETHING SO THAT FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS IN THIS AREA DON'T ALL GET TO CLAIM THESE PUBLIC SPACES? IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TRACK TO WHERE THIS DOESN'T BECOME THE KIND OF NEBULOUS ALWAYS AVAILABLE EXTRA PARKING FOR SOME OF THESE PROJECTS? WELL, UH, THAT'S SIMILAR TO THE QUESTION I BELIEVE THAT, THAT WE HAD WHEN, WHEN, UM, THE DISCRETIONARY PARKING REDUCTION TOOL WAS APPROVED AND, AND THERE WE, WE'VE ESTABLISHED THAT, UM, IF WE WERE TO APPROVE, UH, PARKING REDUCTION THROUGH A DISCRETIONARY PROCESS, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO MAP IT IN GIS AND THEN REFLECT UPON THOSE LOCATIONS FOR FUTURE PROJECTS. UM, I, THIS WOULD BE MUCH EASIER TO IMPLEMENT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT THERE'S RELATIVELY LITTLE DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD HAPPEN IN THE AREA. SO, UM, I THINK THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST WARRANT FOR A PARKING REDUCTION. THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST WARRANT FOR A PARKING REDUCTION IN THE RIVERFRONT DEVELOPMENT. AND, UH, WE HAVE TWO PARCELS THAT HAVE NOT RECEIVED SPAR APPROVAL, UH, LOT ONE WHICH WAS SLATED FOR THE OFFICE IN LOT SIX, WHICH COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE MORE SIGNIFICANT PARKING NEEDS BASED ON THEIR USES. CORRECT. ALRIGHT. OKAY. SO, BUT THERE IS A COGNIZANCE WITH STAFF THAT WE WILL BE TRACKING THAT WHEN IT COMES BACK. I UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT BUILT INTO THE SMART CODE, BUT SOMETHING THERE WHERE WE'RE GOING TO, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, BUT I JUST DON'T WANT THIS TO BECOME EVERYBODY'S KIND OF GET OUT OF PARKING SURE. TOOL. WE'RE PROCESSING THAT APPLICATION CURRENTLY FOR LOT SAKE. OKAY. SO, OKAY. UH, AND THEN JUST TO FINISH UP MY THOUGHT ON, UM, YOU KNOW, MY ONLY QUALM IS THAT SOME OF THE CALCULATIONS FROM THE EXPERT AREN'T NECESSARILY INDUSTRY STANDARD WHEN IT COMES TO RESIDENTS. IT'S KIND OF INFORMATION FROM THE APPLICANT. SO THAT'S THE ONLY PIECE IN THERE THAT I'M JUST KIND OF GOING OVER MY HEAD THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S THE DATA HE USED FROM YOU GUYS SAYING RESIDENTS WON'T USE IT VERSUS THIS IS WHAT EVERYBODY DOES IN THIS INDUSTRY. UM, SO YEAH. THANK YOU JESSICA. YEAH, I'D JUST LIKE TO CHIME IN WITH A LITTLE BIT OF LIVED EXPERIENCE. I THINK WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT MOVING AN ELDERLY FAMILY MEMBER INTO A 400 OR 500 SQUARE FOOT APARTMENT, THAT USUALLY COMES WITH A, A BIG LIFESTYLE CHANGE THAT OFTEN MEANS NO MORE CAR. UM, IT'S I THINK A LITTLE COUNTERINTUITIVE, BUT THIS MIGHT ACTUALLY HELP US ON FILLING IT WITH PETALUMA RESIDENTS BECAUSE THEN YOU HAVE A BUILT-IN SUPPORT SYSTEM. [04:00:01] MY FATHER SPENT A LOT OF TIME DRIVING TO AND FROM ROTA, GOLDMAN PLAZA TO TAKE MY GRANDPARENTS TO THEIR DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENTS. HE HANDLED THEIR MEDS. HE WAS, YOU KNOW, DOING PROGRAMMING AT THE FACILITY BE, AND THAT'S LIKE WHY OUR GRANDPARENTS MOVED INTO SAN FRANCISCO. SO I THINK HAVING A FACILITY WHERE PETALUMA FAMILIES CAN HAVE THEIR AGING FAMILY MEMBERS NEARBY WILL IN AND, AND NOT HAVE AN ABUNDANCE OF PARKING THAT WILL ENCOURAGE LESS DRIVING, LESS PEOPLE HANGING ONTO THEIR CAR. I, YOU KNOW, WE, WE TALK A LOT ABOUT, UM, INDEPENDENT SENIORS AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO FRAME THAT AS LIKE INDEPENDENT AS IN YOU'RE MAKING YOUR OWN BREAKFAST AND YOU'RE WASHING YOURSELF AND YOU'RE DRESSING YOURSELF. THAT'S LIKE THE SORT OF FRAMEWORK, UM, I THINK OF, UH, IN, IN MANY CASES WHEN I TALK ABOUT AN INDEPENDENT SENIOR, NOT NECESSARILY DOING ALL YOUR OWN GROCERY SHOPPING AND RUNNING EVERY ERRAND AS YOU, AS YOU HAVE WHEN YOU WERE LIKE A, A, A YOUNGER PERSON . UM, SO I THINK IT'S JUST IMPORTANT TO BEAR THAT IN MIND. I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'LL NECESSARILY BE ZERO. UM, BUT AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A LOT ON THIS COMMISSION, THERE IS A CERTAIN, UH, IF YOU BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME DYNAMIC HERE OF THAT IF YOU, IF YOU BUILD SPACES, PEOPLE WILL BRING THEIR CARS AND IF YOU DON'T BUILD SPACES, THEY WON'T BRING, BRING THEIR CARS. AND LIKE, YOU KNOW, I, I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT ON THE OPERATIONAL SIDE. IS THERE GONNA BE CHARGE FOR THE PARKING SPACE? LIKE, WILL THAT SORT OF GIVE US ADDITIONAL, UH, RESTRICTION ON RESIDENTS BRINGING THEIR CARS? IS THAT A QUESTION? IS THAT A THING YOU GUYS HAVE CONSIDERED? YES. OKAY. SO I I I JUST AGAIN, WANT TO SORT OF SHARE THAT LIVED EXPERIENCE THAT LIKE WHEN, WHEN YOU MOVE AN ELDERLY FAMILY MEMBER INTO A FACILITY LIKE THIS, THAT VERY OFTEN MEANS, UM, THAT THEY'RE NO LONGER DRIVING. AND, AND I THINK WE CAN IMMEDIATELY SAY THE 36 MEMORY CARE UNITS ARE NOT DRIVING. I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S STILL 70 ON FLOORS THREE AND FOUR, UM, BUT BETWEEN THE AMENITY OF THE VAN, HOPEFULLY FOLKS ARE, ARE KEEPING THEIR ELDERS CLOSE AND SUPPORTING THEM BY DRIVING THEM TO THEIR APPOINTMENTS. UM, AND WE WILL NOT HAVE AS MANY SOLO DRIVERS, UM, AS ONE MIGHT ASSUME FOR AN APARTMENT BUILDING. YEAH. AND IF I CAN, I, I, I JUST, YOU KNOW, REEN ENDORSE WHAT, UH, COMMISSIONER MOSES SAID THROUGH MY OWN LIVED EXPERIENCE WITH MY MOTHER OVER 10 YEARS IN, IN ASSISTED LIVING. UM, AND THE OBSERVATION OF, YOU KNOW, DOZENS IF NOT MAYBE HUNDREDS OF, OF OTHER RESIDENTS, I, I WAS SHOCKED. AND WHEN YOU GO DOWN, DOWN TO THE PARKING LOT BELOW AND SEE THE NUMBER OF, OF VACANT, UH, SPACES FOR SUCH A LARGE FACILITY, UM, BECAUSE SHE DID THE SAME THING. SHE MOVED IN, SHE KEPT HER CAR FOR ABOUT A YEAR AND THEN REALIZED SHE NEVER USED IT. AND SO SHE GAVE UP HER CAR AND, AND, AND OVER THE YEARS, THAT WAS DEFINITELY THE, THE OBSERVATION THAT I HAD. UM, UH, SOMEWHAT SURPRISINGLY. BUT, UM, SO IT, IT'S NOT HARD FOR ME TO BELIEVE THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, AT A BERKELEY FACILITY, YOU MIGHT ONLY HAVE ONE, UM, ONE PERSON THAT ACTUALLY USES THEIR CAR AND, AND, AND MAINTAINS THEIR CAR. SO I, YOU KNOW, THAT BECAUSE OF THAT EXPERIENCE, I, I HAVE THE SAME FEELING THAT, UM, UH, EITHER THAT WOULD BE THE OUTCOME ANYWAY, OR THE LACK OF, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL ABUNDANT PARKING WOULD DRIVE A BEHAVIOR THAT WOULD RELY ON, YOU KNOW, A SHUTTLE OR SOMETHING AND, AND SOME OTHER ALTERNATIVE MODE OF TRANSPORTATION. UM, WELL NOW THAT I'VE HEARD FROM THE APPLICANT A LITTLE BIT AND UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S MORE OF A, AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY AS OPPOSED TO LIKE JUST A RETIREMENT COMMUNITY WHERE THERE'S GONNA BE A BUNCH OF ACTIVE 55 YEAR OLDS WITH, YOU KNOW, LIVING THERE WITH ONE CAR EACH. I DO FEEL A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAT, UM, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE AS MANY PARKING SPOTS USED, BUT I STILL AM A LITTLE BIT WORRIED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE HOMEOWNERS THERE. AND I'M WONDERING WHAT ACTIONS CAN THEY TAKE IN THE EVENT THAT, YOU KNOW, THEIR, THIS PLACE OPENS UP AND EVERYBODY'S PARKED IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE EVERY NIGHT AND EVERY DAY. LIKE WHAT, WHAT ACTIONS CAN THEY TAKE IN THE FUTURE SO WE CAN ALLEVIATE THEIR CONCERNS? WE, THE, UH, MUNICIPAL CODE DOES PROVIDE A RESIDENT PARKING PROGRAM, AND SO THEY CAN REQUEST THAT, UH, RESIDENT PARKING PROGRAM BE ADOPTED FOR, AND IT DOESN'T APPLY TO MULTI-FAMILY, SO IT'S ONLY APPLICABLE TO, UH, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES. BUT, UH, THEY COULD ESTABLISH A RESIDENT PARKING PROGRAM, WHICH WOULD BE PERMITTED AND RESTRICTED THEN, UM, TO, TO PROVIDE FOR ON STREET PARKING WITHIN THE, UH, SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED RESIDENTIAL AREA. OKAY. AND WHO DID THEY TALK TO ABOUT THAT? THE CITY PLANNING? CITY PLANNING? WE CAN TAKE THE LEAD ON THAT. YEAH. OKAY. SO IF THERE'S A PROBLEM, THERE'S A WAY OUT. [04:05:01] SURE. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY, THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. WHICH IS, I I DID WANT TO NOTE WAS INTERESTING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE CONVERSATION WAS ABOUT IS WHAT IS THE DEMAND THAT THE PROJECT MIGHT CREATE FOR PARKING, AND IS THERE ENOUGH PARKING TO SATISFY THAT DEMAND? BUT THEN I THINK THE OTHER PART OF THE CONVERSATION WAS HOW DO WE PROTECT EXISTING RESIDENTS OF THE LOWER DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS FROM POTENTIAL PARKING IMPACTS FROM THESE NEW USES THAT ARE ANTICIPATED, UM, IN THE RIVERFRONT AREA. SO, AND I'LL JUST ADD ON TOP OF THAT, THAT WAS A CONCERN WHEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED AND CITY COUNCIL, THE HAMPTON INN, THE ZONING FLEX, UH, FLEXIBILITY TO REDUCE PARKING AND ANDREW, I'M NOT AWARE, UH, AND WE LET THE NEIGHBORS KNOW THAT IT IS ABILITY FOR COUNCIL TO APPROVE THOSE PARKING PERMITS FOR THE RESIDENTIAL IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I HAVEN'T HEARD OF ANY COMPLAINTS FROM THE NEIGHBORS, SO YEAH. BUT THAT A MECHANISM IS AVAILABLE IN THE FUTURE. ONE, I'LL PIVOT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO ASK ONE QUICK FOLLOW UP TO THAT. SHOULD THE PROBLEM, LET, LET'S, LET'S SAY IT'S NOT THE IDEAL SCENARIO AND PEOPLE OVERFLOW PARKING SHOULD OCCUR. AND LET'S SAY WE HAPPEN TO HAVE THE SENIORS WHO HOLD ONTO THEIR HOLD ONTO THEIR CARS, UH, WHAT BREADTH OR WHAT DEPTH OF EVIDENCE IS REQUIRED FOR, FOR THE RESIDENTS TO THEN BE ABLE TO START NOT JUST PUSHING FOR RES FOR A RESIDENTIAL PARKING PROGRAM, BUT FURTHER ENFORCEMENT, IF THAT BECOMES A PROBLEM? SO WHEN I LOOK AT THE CODE AND IT DOESN'T PROVIDE ANY FINDINGS OR REQUIREMENTS, I THINK IT JUST IF CITY COUNCIL APPROVES OF IT. SO I DON'T THINK THERE WOULD NEED TO BE ANY MORE EVIDENCE THAN, YOU KNOW, COMPLAINT DRIVEN. IT'S A SIMPLE REQUEST. RIGHT. UM, AND THEN ENFORCEMENT WOULD BE AN ISSUE. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD WORK. MAYBE IT'D BE COMPLAINT DRIVEN. I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR PARKING REQUIREMENTS LOOK LIKE OR METER MADE SORT OF, I PUT, UH, ENFORCEMENT IS THROUGH, THROUGH TICKET WRITING, SO. RIGHT. OF COURSE. I'M JUST WONDERING, IS THAT PART OF, IS THAT BUILT INTO THAT PROGRAM ALREADY OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE SUBSEQUENTLY? NO, THAT'S BUILT INTO THE PROGRAM. OKAY. SO IF COUNSEL REQUESTS COULD BE MADE MM-HMM. COUNCILS SO DEEMED INITIATE THE PROGRAM AND THEN THERE'D BE A FULL ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM FOR EXCESS PARKING OUTSIDE OF CORRECT. YEAH. OKAY. MM-HMM. JUST WANNA CHECK. I, I UNDERSTAND. NO, SORRY, WE JUST, UM, IS IT ASSISTED LIVING OR IS IT INDEPENDENT? BECAUSE SOME OF THE SLIDES SAID IT'S INDEPENDENT, WHICH IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE SYSTEM. SORRY, I SHOULDN'T HAVE NO, IT'S, IT, IT'S OKAY. THAT, THAT'S ACTUALLY A, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION BECAUSE THAT HAS KIND OF FLIPPED AROUND A LITTLE BIT IN THIS PRESENTATION. NO, THAT'S NOT NORMALLY THE PROCESS, BUT I GAVE UP ON BEING A PROCESS JERK A LONG TIME AGO. IF THE APPLICANT COULD ANSWER, UH, HOW WOULD YOU QUALIFY THE ACTUAL FACILITY? IT, IT'S, IT'S LICENSED, UM, AS A RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY FOR THE ELDERLY. SO YOU CAN COME IN, UM, MORE INDEPENDENT, NEEDING LESS CARE, BUT YOU CAN AGE IN PLACE. SO IF YOU NEED ADDITIONAL CARE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE RELOCATED FROM YOUR UNIT. SO IT'S A FLEXIBILITY, A SLIDING SCALE THEN. YEAH. IN TERMS OF NEED. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. VICE MAYOR THOMPSON. JUST WANNA SAY THAT THE CITY WILL BE LOOKING AND UPDATING OUR PARKING ORDINANCE IN 2024 AND, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S GONNA BE SOME GOOD THINGS HAPPENING. AND WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT PARKING PERMITS, BECAUSE I'VE TALKED TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE ABOUT PROBLEMS, YOU KNOW, ON EAST SIDE, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT AREAS, UM, YOURS IS A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE, UM, COMPARED TO OTHER AREAS THAT PEOPLE HAVE ASKED FOR PARKING PERMITS AND IT REALLY DOESN'T WORK THAT WELL. AND IT'S REALLY THAT THE CITY HAS TO UPDATE THEIR PARKING ORDINANCE. BUT IN YOUR CASE, UM, I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S VERY DIFFERENT AND PROBABLY PARKING PERMITS ARE, UM, APPROPRIATE FOR YOUR AREAS. AND I, I DO, I REALLY APPRECIATED THE CONVERSATION BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I'VE DEALT WITH ELDERLY ALSO, YOU KNOW, WHO HAVE AN AUNT THAT WAS IN ASSISTED LIVING AND ONCE SHE GOT THERE IN SAN FRANCISCO, EVERYTHING WAS TAKEN CARE OF AND SHE DIDN'T HAVE HER CAR ANYMORE. AND IT IS USUALLY OLDER PEOPLE BECAUSE PEOPLE JUST DON'T DECIDE AT 55 YOU WANNA LIVE IN AN AREA LIKE THIS TYPE OF FACILITY. IT'S, UM, IT'S MORE REALLY AGING IN PLACE. AND SO I DON'T REALLY, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S GONNA BE A PARKING CRISIS THERE. UM, BUT [04:10:02] WE'LL FIND OUT. UM, I DO HAVE ANOTHER COUPLE COMMENTS THOUGH. UM, FOR THE, UM, THE APPLICANTS, LIKE IF YOU'RE, UM, THE PEOPLE THAT WORK THERE, IF THEY USE THE SMART TRAIN, WHICH IS NOT INEXPENSIVE, UM, DO YOU, WOULD YOU PICK THEM UP YES. WITH YOUR SHUTTLE? YES. SO YOU COULD MAKE ARRANGEMENTS? ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. AND DO YOU, UM, WORK WITH, WITH THEM TO GIVE THEM PARKING OR, UM, PASSES FOR SMART? YES. YEAH. 'CAUSE OTHERWISE IT'S, IT'S, IT CAN BE A CHUNK OF MONEY, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY NICE BECAUSE IT'S JUST RIGHT ON THE LINE. YES. AND SO YOU, OKAY, THAT'S GREAT. AND I JUST WANNA GO BACK TO THE ART. I KIND OF LIKE TO LET THE ART FLOW INSTEAD OF, UM, DETER US DETERMINING WHERE IT REALLY SHOULD GO AND MAYBE HOW THE COMMUNITY, UM, BE PART OF THAT. BECAUSE THE ART COULD ALSO BE INTERACTIVE SO IT'S NOT JUST A PIECE OF ART SITTING THERE. IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT, UM, PART OF A, A SPACE WHERE PE KIDS CAN PLAY ON. UM, SO THERE'S ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES AND I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE I WANNA MAKE A DETERMINATION WHERE THE ART WOULD GO. 'CAUSE WE KNOW WE HAVE THE 1%, BUT IT WOULD BE NICE IF IT OBVIOUSLY WENT INTO THE AREA AND HAVE THE, UM, THE COMMUNITY ALSO PARTICIPATE IN THAT. SO I DON'T WANNA GET TOO HUNG UP ON, ON WHERE THE ART'S GONNA GO BECAUSE I HAVE TO SAY, WE'LL CALL IT THE ROUNDABOUT. IT IS WEIRD AND I JUST DON'T SEE PEOPLE REALLY SITTING THERE AND I JUST, YOU KNOW, LET THE TREES GROW, GET SOME, YOU KNOW, SHADE THAT WAY. MAKE IT MAYBE MORE NATURAL BECAUSE EVERY TIME YOU PUT SOMETHING IN YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT ALSO. SO I'M KIND OF LOOKING AT THE OTHER ASPECT OF DETERMINING WHAT WE PUT IN AREAS. SO THE ART, I JUST KIND OF LIKE TO FREE FLOW A LITTLE BIT. COULD ON THAT POINT, COULD STAFF CLARIFY WHAT THE, LIKE, UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS LIKE PUBLIC ART TO BE IMPLEMENTED AS OPPOSED TO GOING INTO THE FUND? IS THAT SORT OF HOW IT GETS STRUCTURED TO SAY YOUR PUBLIC ART REQUIREMENT IS TO BE A BENEFIT OF THIS ACTUAL NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT NOT DI DICTATING THE ACTUAL, UH, LOCATION SPECIFICALLY ON THE GREEN OR ON THE TOT LOT? I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE CORRECT WAY TO APPROACH IT IS MM-HMM, , THE, THE APPLICANT WOULD AGREE AND, AND THROUGH A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT THEY WOULD IMPLEMENT THEIR PUBLIC ART REQUIREMENT BECAUSE APPLICANTS HAVE THE CHOICE. THEY CAN EITHER IMPLEMENT IT AND TYPICALLY IMPLEMENT IT ON SITE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, UM, THAT'S JUST WHAT THE, THE PRACTICE HAS BEEN. BUT WHAT THEY COULD ALSO DO IS IMPLEMENT IT WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, UM, AS, AS PART OF A COMMUNITY ENHANCEMENT PROGRAM. BUT I THINK THAT'S PREFERABLE TO CONTRIBUTING THE 1% TO THE PUBLIC ART FUND AND THEN ASKING PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE TO THEN DEDICATE IT BACK TO THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD. YEAH. I THINK THERE GETS TO BE TOO MUCH PULL ON PUBLIC ART FUNDS AT THAT POINT. FOR SURE. I'M, I'M, I'M TRYING TO SORT OF BRIDGE THE GAP HERE BECAUSE I AGREE MM-HMM, WITH THE VICE MAYOR THAT WE DON'T WANNA BE TOO PRESCRIPTIVE IN THE ART REQUIREMENT, BUT I ALSO WANT TO SHOW SOME GOOD FAITH TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON BEAUTIFYING THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT. SO IF THERE'S A WAY THAT STAFF CAN CONSTRUCT THAT SORT OF ART IMPLEMENTATION WITHOUT BEING SO PRESCRIPTIVE THAT IT'S LIKE GONNA BE A SHADE STRUCTURE OR WHATEVER, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. UM, AND WHILE MY MIC IS ON, JUST A QUICK POINT OF CLARIFICATION, THAT THE RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY FOR THE ELDERLY DEFINITION THAT I'M SEEING IN THE BOARDS AND COMMISSION REPORT SAYS 60 OR OVER. IS THAT, DOES THAT JIVE WITH YES. OKAY. SO 60 PLUS. GREAT. UM, FOR THE, FOR THE ART DISCUSSION, COULDN'T THIS JUST BE AS SIMPLE AS THE RECOMMENDATION THAT COMES OUT OF THIS? IS THAT THE, THE WORK AND DELIBERATION DONE BY THE ART COMMITTEE IS OVER A PROJECT OF A SPECIFIC GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATION, MUCH LIKE WE WOULD WITH ANY OTHER PROJECT IN THE CITY. CAN, CAN'T WE CITE THE MASTER, THE RIVERFRONT MASTER PLAN AS THAT LOCATION AND GO FROM THERE? SURE. UM, I, I HAD DRAFTED THE PUBLIC ART REQUIREMENT SHALL BE IMPLEMENTED WITHIN THE RIVERFRONT COMMUNITY SUBJECT TO APPLICABLE REGULATIONS GOVERNING REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE. I THINK THAT GIVES US THE FLEXIBILITY THAT YOU'RE SEEKING, BUT IT ALSO ENSURES, NUMBER ONE, THAT THE PROJECT IMPLEMENTS THEIR PUBLIC ART REQUIREMENT RATHER THAN PAYING THE 1% IN LOUIE. AND THEN NUMBER [04:15:01] TWO, CONSTRAINTS IT TO THE RIVERFRONT. UH, QUICK INTERRUPTION, IT'S 10 30. DO WE NEED TO HAVE A MOTION TO EXTEND? SO 10 30 IS IF WE HAD ADDITIONAL ITEMS, WHICH THANKFULLY WE DON'T, IF WE GO PAST THE 11, WE WILL NEED A MOTION. OKAY. WELL LET'S HOPE WE CAN KEEP THIS UNDER. UM, OKAY. THAT'S MY THING. WELL, . ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. UM, SOME PEOPLE DARE TO DREAM. UM, OKAY, WE, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE PARKING FOR A LITTLE BIT NOW AND THERE'S SEVERAL OTHER ITEMS. SO ONE THING I DO WANT TO CHECK IN ON, DO WE THINK WE HAVE CONSENSUS AS FAR AS THIS WARRANT ITEM GOES TO ALLOW FOR THE REQUESTED, RIGHT? THE REQUESTED THE WARRANT IS STATED. MM-HMM. . YEAH. SO LONG AS IT INCLUDES THE LOADING ZONE, THE EV INCREASE, THE A DA INCREASE, RIGHT, RIGHT. WELL THE OTHER CONDITIONS WERE PROVIDED. OKAY. I'M TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE REDUCTION, SORRY, LEMME REPHRASE RIGHT. THE WARRANT FOR THE REDUCTION OF PARKING WA THEM THE MINIMUM? YES. OKAY. 'CAUSE I, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE GET THROUGH THESE ITEMS THAT WE MAY HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO DO THEM SINCE WE SEEM TO HAVE CONSENSUS ON THE REST OF IT. OKAY. I'M NOT GONNA THANK YOU FOR STICKING WITH US AND HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. UM, I'M NOT GONNA GO STRAIGHT TO THE, TO THE ROUNDABOUT 'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE ROUNDABOUT A LOT. I'M GOING TO GO TO THE VINYL PROGRAM BECAUSE THAT WAS THE OTHER ITEM THAT I GUESS THE APPLICANT WANTED TO DISCUSS WITH US. YEAH, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF YOU'RE OPEN TO A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY AROUND THE LANGUAGE THAT LEAVES SOME ROOM FOR US TO, UM, WORK WITH, UM, PLANNING STAFF AND SHOW THEM, UM, ENVIRONMENTALLY CONSCIOUS, UM, HIGH QUALITY PRODUCTS THAT MAY INCLUDE VINYL. UM, WE WENT THROUGH THIS, UM, IN BERKELEY ARE ALL OUR WINDOWS ON, ON THE RESIDENTIAL FLOORS ARE VINYL. UM, THEY'RE VERY HIGH QUALITY. THEY ARE MADE OF, UH, RECYCLED MATERIAL. THEY'RE VERY ENVIRONMENTALLY CONSCIOUS. UH, WE GOT A GOLD RATING, UM, LIKE 10 POINTS ABOVE THE REQUIRED GOLD LEVEL FOR, UM, SO, SO WE WANT TO HAVE A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING. WE WANT IT TO BE ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY. WE'RE NOT GONNA BE PUTTING IN, AND I KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT YOU TO TAKE OUR WORD WORD FOR IT, BUT WE WOULD, WE JUST OUTRIGHT SAYING NO VINYL, UM, JUST LIMITS US, UM, LIMITS SOME REALLY, UH, SOME POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR US. UM, AND ALSO THE VINYL, UH, WINDOWS THAT WE ARE USING IN BERKELEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE HIGH QUALITY, BUT THEY'RE ALSO QUITE LIGHTWEIGHT. THEY'RE VERY EASY TO OPERATE. UM, THEY, UM, UM, KIND OF THEIR, THEIR HANDLE, THEY JUST, THE HANDLES ERGONOMICALLY, EVERYTHING JUST WORKED REALLY WELL. WE CAN GO, SO VINYL IS OUT LIKE OUTLAWED, THEN WE START LOOKING AT OTHER THINGS LIKE MAYBE FIBERGLASS AND THAT THAT COULD BE EVEN MORE TOXIC AND PROBLEMATIC. I MEAN, THE INTENTION IS TO HAVE A REALLY HIGH QUALITY PRODUCT THAT'S ENVIRONMENTALLY CONSCIOUS, UH, AS WELL. SO JUST MAYBE SOME FLEXIBILITY THAT DOESN'T OUTRIGHT SAY NO WAY. UH, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE 50 TOWN HOMES WERE APPROVED, ALL VINYL, ALL THE HOMES HAVE VINYL HOMES, VI VINYL WINDOWS. THE HOTEL HAS ALL VINYL. UM, AND, UH, WE JUST, WOULD YOU, I MEAN WE DO, WE DO HAVE THE NATURAL PROBLEM OF SHIFTING STANDARDS BECAUSE THIS IS A, A PLAN THAT GOES BACK TO 2014. BUT I DO, JUST ON THAT POINT, WE, WHEN WE APPROVED OUR OBJECTIVE STANDARDS, OR AT LEAST WHEN WE, WE SENT THEM TO COUNCIL, THE RECOMMENDATION, OUR PRIMARY FOCUS ON VINYL WAS THE TOXIC, THE TOXIC POLLUTANTS PRODUCED WHEN MAKING IT THE POLLUTANTS PRODUCE WHEN IT'S DESTROYED, FOR EXAMPLE, IN A FIRE. AND THEN ALSO LONGEVITY. LONGEVITY WAS THE OTHER BIG COMPONENT. UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE REST OF THE COMMISSION FEELS. I COULD SEE A FLEXIBILITY, BUT YOU'D HAVE TO MEET ALL OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS. I MEAN, WE WOULD, WE WOULD, UH, JUST WANNA, WE ARE STAKEHOLDERS TOO. AND I DON'T THINK YOU'VE ADOPTED YOUR ORDER YET, HAVE YOU? THE REQUIRING VINYL HASN'T BEEN ADOPTED YET. WE HAVEN'T ADOPTED IT YET. BUT THE OBJECTIVE DESIGN AUDIENCE WOULD NOT APPLY TO YOU TO BEGIN WITH. WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS FOLLOW A STANDARD THAT WE'RE HOPING TO ESSENTIALLY ROLL OUT CITYWIDE OR AT LEAST SEE CITYWIDE. MAYBE, MAYBE GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO AT LEAST BE, BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION AS A STAKEHOLDER AND DISCUSS THOSE ISSUES, UM, [04:20:01] WHEN THE TIME COMES TO MAKE THAT DECISION. AND, BUT GOING BACK, BUT GOING BACK TO WHAT I ASKED EARLIER, WOULD, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO REALISTICALLY COME BACK TO US WITH A VINYL WINDOW DESIGN THAT DIDN'T HAVE THE PROBLEM IN PRODUCTION? IT'S ACCIDENTAL DESTRUCTION OR LONGEVITY? I THINK WE'RE GONNA DO OUR BEST. I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'LL, WE'RE NOT WINDOW EXPERTS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY. I THINK WE, I GUESS WHEN YOU LOOK AT, UH, COMPARABLE PRODUCTS, RIGHT? SO WE'LL, WE'LL BE MEASURING, LET'S SAY WE HAVE A, A VINYL PRODUCT THAT'S A, HAS, UH, RECYCLED, UH, MATERIALS. UM, WE COMPARE THAT WITH, LET'S SAY, AND THERE'S NO BAND HERE ON LET'S SAY FIBERGLASS OR OTHER MATERIALS. AND YOU LOOK AT THE RESOURCES USED IN THE MANUFACTURER OF THAT PRODUCT AND THE DESTRUCTION THAT COMES FROM THAT PRODUCT. LET'S SAY IT'S FIBERGLASS AND YOU LOOK AT EQUIVALENCE, WE WILL PICK THE BETTER ONE. YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE WILL. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? RIGHT, RIGHT. YEAH. AND I, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY. MY QUESTION THOUGH GOES BACK TO IF WE WERE GONNA TALK ABOUT ADJUSTING WHAT WE JUST DISCUSSED IN TERMS OF VINYL, WE HAD THREE PRIMARY CONCERNS. I SUSPECT, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR THE COMMISSION, I'M JUST GONNA MAKE THIS POINT AND LET THE REST GO. BUT I SUSPECT IF WE WERE TO ALLOW FOR FLEXIBILITY, WE WOULD WANT STAFF TO DETERMINE THAT PROCESS THAT YOU'RE STILL MEETING THE STANDARD OF EFFECTIVELY NOT PRODUCING OR HARMFUL POLLUTANTS IN THE PRODUCTION, NOT PRODUCING HARMFUL POLLUTANTS IN THE ACCIDENTAL DESTRUCTION THROUGH FIRES AS VINYL WINDOWS ARE KNOWN FOR. AND ALSO THE LONGEVITY PROBLEM OF THEM NOT REALLY LASTING PAST 20 YEARS. SO, UM, ABSOLUTELY THE ONLY CAVEAT IS THAT I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY SINGLE WINDOW PRODUCT ON EARTH THAT WILL MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS. ALRIGHT. THAT, THAT'S THE ISSUE. 'CAUSE IF THERE'S AN ABSOLUTE REQUIREMENT THAT IT'S, THERE'S NO NOTHING ENVIRONMENT, EVERYTHING THAT'S MADE HAS ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT. YOU CAN'T FIND ANY PRODUCT. SO I GUESS OUR HESITATION IS WE'RE NOT GONNA FIND ANY PRODUCT THAT MEETS THAT CATEGORY, BUT THE, THE INTENTION OF IT, ABSOLUTELY. THAT HAS LESS, THAT'S MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY CONSCIOUS, THAT HAS LESS POLLUTANTS, THAT HAS ALL THOSE THINGS. THAT'S LONG LASTING LONGEVITY. ABSOLUTELY. IT'S JUST HARD TO, THAT LANGUAGE ALSO MEANS SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T EXIST ON THE MARKET. THAT, THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN. WELL, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE REASON I'M NOT LISTING THE POLLUTANT IS BECAUSE I'M SIMPLY HAVING A HARD TIME RECALLING THE SPECIFIC POLLUTANT IN MIND. IT'S ONE OF THE MOST HARMFUL OH, I SEE. OKAY. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. I JUST CAN'T CONNECT. OH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. NOT CONNECTING. SO I'M NOT SAYING, UNFORTUNATELY, YES, THE NO POLLUTANT PRODUCTION DOESN'T SEEM TO EXIST YET, BUT I'M SPECIFICALLY REFERRING TO THE TRULY TERRIFYING THING THAT VINYL WINDOWS PRODUCED. THAT'S ALL. OR SPECIFICALLY VINYL PRODUCTION. I'M JUST HAVING A YES. MEMORY ISSUE AT THE MOMENT. THAT'S VINYL CHLORIDE. THANK YOU, . THANK YOU. AND NOW I'LL STOP TALKING AND GO THANKS. SORRY. UM, MY THOUGHTS ON THE VINYL WINDOWS IS WHEN WE WERE, WHEN WE SAID NO TO THEM FOR THE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS, IT WAS BECAUSE FINAL WINDOWS CAN BE MADE VERY, VERY CHEAPLY. AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY ALWAYS WILL BE, BUT WE WERE PREVENTING THAT FROM HAPPENING ON PROJECTS WHERE WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER. RIGHT. THAT TO ME IS NOT THE CASE HERE. WE DO HAVE CONTROL OVER IT HERE. SO, YOU KNOW, IF THE APPLICANT, TO ME WORKS WITH THE PLANNERS TO SHOW THEM THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING THE VERY BEST VINYL CHLORIDE WINDOWS THAT CAN BE FOUND MADE UNDER, YOU KNOW, ENVIRONMENTALLY RESPONSIBLE CONDITIONS. AND I THINK THERE ARE ENVIRONMENTAL CERTIFICATIONS FOR VINYL WINDOWS TOO. YES. AND IF THEY MEET THOSE, THEN I THINK THERE IS ROOM FOR FLEXIBILITY AND REGARDING, YOU KNOW, YES. THE RELEASE OF CHEMICALS DURING FIRES. WELL, ALL THESE BUILDINGS ARE GONNA HAVE PRETTY ROBUST, UH, SPRINKLER SYSTEMS WITH THEM. SO THE IDEA THAT THEY'LL REALLY, REALLY GO UP IN FLAMES IS PROBABLY PRETTY SLIM. SO I THINK I'M OKAY WITH THAT. AND THERE'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, WHEN BUILDINGS BURN DOWN, LOTS OF CHEMICALS ARE RELEASED. SO NOT JUST THIS AND NOT, AND NOT SAYING WE'LL HAVE DOUBLE STANDARDS, BUT I THINK IF WE ENSURE THAT THESE VINYL WINDOWS ARE BETTER THAN THE CHEAPEST ONES THAT MIGHT BE PUT INTO THE OTHER AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS, IF THEY WERE DESIGNED, YOU KNOW, TO BE THE CHEAPEST THAT THEY POSSIBLY CAN, THEN I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. SO I DO THINK THAT MAYBE WE SHOULD ALLOW SOME ROOM FOR FLEXIBILITY HERE AS LONG AS YOU KNOW THAT THEY'RE APPROVED BY OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THAT'S MY THOUGHTS. ANOTHER DIFFERENTIATOR RELATING TO AFFORDABILITY, TO, TO PIGGYBACK OFF THAT IS WE, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WE'RE ALSO JUSTIFYING THE VINYL WINDOW BAN FOR AFFORDABLE UNITS [04:25:01] BECAUSE THEY WERE SAVING SO MUCH MONEY NOT HAVING TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THE REVIEW PROCESS, WHICH IS NOT THE CASE FOR THESE FIVE GENTLEMEN. THEY'VE GONE THROUGH QUITE THE REVIEW PROCESS, UM, THAT WE WERE SORT OF TRYING TO TAKE SOME OF THOSE SAVINGS AND PUT THEM INTO BUILDING MATERIALS. SO I THINK THAT'S LIKE ANOTHER HELPFUL PIECE OF CONTEXT FROM THE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARD RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH I THINK THE HINT HE WAS MAKING IS LIKE, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN RATIFIED YET. SO WHO KNOWS IF THE VINYL WINDOWS BAN HOLDS ALONG A LOT OF THOSE POINTS. I THINK LIKE, UH, COMMISSIONER HOOPER SAID IT'S A CONSISTENCY THING. WE HAVEN'T PUT THIS IN PLACE FOR OTHER PROJECTS. UH, DO WE KNOW THE MATERIAL STANDARDS FOR KIND OF THOSE BEST IN CLASS ENVIRONMENTAL? I WAS READING ABOUT RECYCLED VINYL, VIRGIN VINYL. I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT IT. DO WE HAVE A HANDLE ON THAT THAT WE COULD MAKE PART OF A WARRANT? I KNOW I'M ASKING YOU IN THE MIDDLE OF A MEETING TO BECOME A VINYL WINDOW EXPERT. . I WAS GONNA SAY, WELL, NOT YET, BUT WE CAN, UH, IT'S, I THINK IT'S, I THINK THAT IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO RESEARCH AS WE TAKE FORWARD THE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS AND THEN ENGAGE IN A, A BROADER POLICY DISCUSSION. I THINK THAT COULD GUIDE, UM, YOU KNOW, CODIFICATION OF A STANDARD THAT WOULD BE APPLICABLE CITYWIDE. UM, BUT I, I THINK THAT WE COULD GET THERE. WHAT I WAS ALSO, WHAT I ALSO THOUGHT IS ALONG THE, ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT, UH, COMMISSIONER BAUER WAS SUGGESTING AND PERHAPS GETTING COMFORTABLE WITH A, A VINYL WINDOW TYPE, THAT THAT COULD BE ACCEPTABLE IF, IF YOU MAKE IT SUBJECT TO REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY THE PLANNING MANAGER. THE PLANNING MANAGER ALWAYS HAS THE AUTHORITY TO ELEVATE IT. SO IF, AND CERTAINLY WE'VE BEEN IN THIS CONVERSATION, WE'VE BEEN PART OF THE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS CONVERSATIONS. WE KNOW WHAT THE INTENT OF THE COMMISSION IS. UM, BOTH, BOTH, YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY, BUT THEN INDIRECTLY. AND SO IF THEY BRING FORWARD VINYL WINDOWS THAT ARE HIGH QUALITY, THAT DEMONSTRATE INCREASED LONGEVITY, THAT EXHIBIT AN ENVIRONMENTALLY RESPONSIVE PRODUCTION PROCESS, PERHAPS REDUCED FLAMMABILITY AND, AND THE PLANNING MANAGER FEELS COMFORTABLE IN APPROVING THAT CONSISTENT WITH YOUR INTENT, THEN I THINK WE'VE ACHIEVED THE GOAL. IF, IF THE PLANNING MANAGER HAS QUESTIONS, THEN THE PLANNING MANAGER BRINGS IT TO BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND AND YOU WOULD MAKE THE DECISION THEN, AND FOR EVERYBODY LISTENING, RIGHT? THIS DOESN'T SUDDENLY OPEN THIS UP FOR EVERY PROJECT, EVEN THOUGH IT KIND OF ALREADY IS. THIS WOULD BE FOR THIS PROJECT TO GIVE THE FLEXIBILITY, MAINTAIN CONSISTENCY WITH SURROUNDING PROJECTS, WITH THE VEIN OF DEVELOPING A BETTER, KIND OF BEST IN CLASS CITY STANDARD, WHETHER THAT'S NO VINYL OR SOME INCREDIBLY HIGH TIER THRESHOLDS. SO ALL THANK YOU FOR THAT. I LIKE, I LIKE THAT IDEA. OKAY. JANICE OR VICE? SORRY, I, I LISTENED TO EVERYBODY AND IT IS NOT, UM, THIS IS NOT CODIFIED AND I WOULD JUST LEAVE IT UP TO STAFF 'CAUSE I THINK THEY'RE HEARING LOUD AND CLEAR WHAT WE'RE SAYING AND SO WE CAN JUST MOVE ON. UM, JUST A QUICK QUESTION FOR COMMISSIONER MOSES. ONE THING THAT WE DISCUSS ON THE PARKING, UM, AND WHETHER YOU WOULD BE, UH, OPEN TO CONSIDERING A 50% INCREASE IN THE A DA, UH, UM, UH, SPACES VERSUS A HUNDRED PERCENT THAT WOULD ADD AN EXTRA UNIT. UM, AND 'CAUSE NOW WE HAVE THAT EXTRA LOADING AND UNLOADING ZONE IN THE FRONT, WE HAVE ONE IN THE BACK AND IT WOULD ALLOW US TO KEEP ONE MORE PARKING SPACE SO WE DON'T LOSE TWO PARKING SPACES. WE JUST LOSE ONE. SO THAT WOULD TAKE US FROM TWO TO THREE. THREE. YES, I AM, I'M WAITING FOR A CUE FROM OUR . YES. FROM TWO TO THREE. YES. UH, I, UH, I'M OKAY WITH IT TO GO FROM TWO TO THREE, BUT THERE WERE SOME OTHER FOLKS WHO HAD A DA OPINIONS AS WELL. OH, OKAY. NO, I, I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE. UH, GIVEN THAT THE DISCUSSION WE HAD BEFORE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHO'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE USING THOSE, JUST BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SENIOR FACILITY DOESN'T MEAN WE NECESSARILY NEED TO OVERLOAD, UM, THE, THE SENIOR PARKING AVAILABILITY, UM, IS, SO I, I THINK GOING 50% ABOVE THE, THE REQUIREMENTS, STATUTORY REQUIREMENT, I THINK SOUNDS, YOU KNOW, FAIRLY GENEROUS. I'M CURIOUS, I'M CURIOUS TOO, TO UNDERSTAND FROM A LIKE FUTURE NEEDS ADJUSTMENT STANDPOINT, IS THERE, COULD THEY IN, IN SOME FUTURE SCENARIO PETITION FOR ONE OF THOSE FRONTAGE, UH, UH, SPOTS TO BE MADE BLUE AND, AND SORT SORT OF LIKE, IS THAT PART OF A PARKING ORDINANCE UPDATE? I GUESS MAYBE, UH, UH, WE'RE BEYOND THE SCOPE [04:30:01] HERE, BUT I BELIEVE THE SURPLUS PARKING THAT'S ALREADY THERE INCLUDES ALREADY SOME A DA PARKING IN THE AREA. RIGHT, RIGHT. RIGHT. I'M SAYING IF THERE, IF THERE IN THE FUTURE BECOMES EVIDENT THAT THE SPIRIT LIVING FACILITY DOES HAVE A HIGHER DEMAND FOR A DA PARKING, WHAT WOULD THE PROCESS BE TO CONVERT SOME OF THOSE SPOTS THAT ARE ACTUALLY CLOSE AND ACCESSIBLE TO BLUE? YEAH. IS WOULD THIS BE ON PRIVATE PART, UH, PROPERTY OR PUBLIC? IT'S, WELL, IT COULD BE PRIVATE. YEAH, IT'S PRIVATE. I MEAN, I THINK THE CITY THROUGH THE CITY TRAFFIC ENGINEER HAS THE ABILITY TO, UH, CLASSIFY CERTAIN SPOTS AS A DA IF THE NEED ARISES. BUT LET ME TRY TO CONFIRM THAT. OF COURSE, THAT IS JUST FOR PUBLIC PARKING. PARKING ON, ON PUBLIC, CORRECT. PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. YEAH, THEY CAN, THEY CAN DESIGNATE, I MEAN, THAT'S GENERALLY THE STANDARD OF PRACTICE FOR ALMOST EVERY CITY IS THAT THE CITY TRAFFIC ENGINEER WILL COME IN AND CAN CHANGE 'EM AS NECESSARY. OKAY. I'LL, I'LL ALSO STATE THIS AS BACKGROUND TOO. THERE'S BEEN, THERE NEW FEDERAL GUIDELINES JUST TOOK EFFECT. THEY'RE CALLED PRO WAG, UH, WHICH IS PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY GUIDELINES, WHICH NOW MANDATES ANY, IF YOU MAKE ANY CHANGES TO ON-STREET SPACES OR YOU CREATE NEW ON-STREET SPACES, YOU ARE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE, UM, A DA SPACES NOW, UM, IN A SIMILAR FASHION AS YOU DO WITH OFF STREET. SO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND AS WELL, THAT IF ANY FUTURE CHANGES HAPPEN TO THE, I MEAN, THESE SPACES ARE ALREADY SET UP RIGHT NOW, BUT IF THERE ARE CHANGES IN THE FUTURE, THEY'LL BE REQUIRED TO PUT IN AADA A SPACES IF THEY'RE NOT THERE ALREADY. OKAY. I WOULD BE AMENABLE TO THREE SPACES THAT ARE A DA AND THREE SPACES THAT ARE ED FOR ME RIGHT NOW. TWO, TWO TO THREE. THAT'S PRETTY GOOD. VICE MAYOR, GREAT TO HAND. NO, I JUST, WE WE HAVEN'T, UH, WE DEFINITELY HAVE A PARKING PROBLEM BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH AADA A SPACES ALREADY, SO WE'RE KIND OF DEALING WITH THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST EVEN IN THE DOWNTOWN. AND SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT AND I THINK, UM, WHAT IS BEING OFFERED IS FINE BECAUSE IT CAN BE AUGMENTED LATER IF THERE'S A PROBLEM. SO YOU'RE OKAY WITH 50% UP TO THREE SPACES THAT ARE ADA A YES, YES. NO, NO, I'M NOT. AND I APPRECIATE THAT. BUT FOR THE COMMISSIONERS ON THE DIOCESE RIGHT NOW, DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON THE THREE SPOTS? OKAY. WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA CHECK THAT OFF FOR NOW AND WE'RE GONNA MOVE TO THE NEXT, WHICH NOW THAT WE'VE PASSED, I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY WE'VE CON CONCLUDED THE VINYL ITEM. WE CAN NOW MOVE TO THE TOT LOT. AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS DISCUSSING HOW TO FUNCTIONALLY WARRANT THE SENIOR, SENIOR SENIOR PARK THERE. RIGHT. SO I THINK THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CHALLENGE THERE IS THE TOT LOT IS GOING TO BE PART OF THE CFD AND THEN ALSO, UM, I BELIEVE PERHAPS MANAGED BY BY PARKS DEPARTMENT, CORRECT. BY THE CITY. BY THE CITY, YEAH. SO WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF LAYERS OF INVOLVEMENT THERE TO, TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO CRAFT A CONDITION TO REQUIRE THAT THE TOT LOT BE AUGMENTED WITH, UM, CERTAIN FURNISHINGS TO SUPPORT ADULT USE OR, I MEAN, I THINK THE CITY WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO THE PROJECT CONTRIBUTING THOSE FURNISHINGS, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD JUST BE A MATTER OF WORKING WITH PARKS DEPARTMENT TO IMPLEMENT IT IF WE JUST, UM, MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. LET THE PARKS DEPARTMENT WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY, THE SENIOR COMMITTEE AND UM, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT PARK AND REC WOULD BE FINE WITH ME. YEAH. CAN WE JUST MAKE IT A SIMPLE RECOMMENDATION? RECOMMENDATION? SURE. YEAH. I'LL DRAFT THAT. BUT IT IS A CONDITION CORRECT TO HAVE THIS, WELL, IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE WE CAN'T, THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN'T MANDATE THAT THE PARKS DEPARTMENT DOES THIS. SO IN THIS CASE, IT WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE'RE MAKING. THEY START JUST THAT THE PARKS DEPARTMENT WOULD TAKE IT OVER, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? WELL, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT WILL BE, IS EFFECTIVELY THE ENTITY THAT WOULD BE DRIVING THIS FORWARD. MM-HMM. . SO WE'RE JUST MAKING THE RECOMMENDATION TO THEM. PRIOR, WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING THIS BEFORE, WE, I THINK WE JUST ASSUMED THAT THE TOT LOT WAS A PSEUDO PRIVATE ENTITY THAT WE WERE, THAT WE WERE PROVIDING A WARRANT TO WITH THE APPLICANT TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES. BUT IF IT'S UNDER THE MANAGEMENT OF THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, THEN WE CAN'T WARRANT THE PARKS DEPARTMENT. WE CAN ONLY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. [04:35:01] OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. SO I WAS, UH, DRAFTING, UM, RECOMMEND COLLABORATING WITH SENIOR ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND CITY PARKS TO AUGMENT EXISTING TOT LOT ADJACENT TO THE PROJECT SITE IN ORDER TO PROVIDE ADULT RECREATION EQUIPMENT, ADULT RECREATION EQUIPMENT. SURE. SOUNDS GREAT. THANK YOU. . THAT'S GOOD. THANK YOU. OKAY. I THINK, YES, VICE MAYOR, ONE OTHER THING, UM, RESTROOMS, I JUST NEED TO BE REFRESHED WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, JUST SO YOU KNOW, LIKE PEOPLE ARE WALKING THAT THE PROBLEM WE HAVE DOWNTOWN IS WE HAVE NO BATHROOMS EXCEPT AT WALNUT PARK. SO WE'LL BE BATHROOM FACILITIES AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC. I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO BUILD ONE FOR THE PUBLIC, BUT IF SOMEBODY NEEDS, THEY HAD ANSWERED MY QUESTION ABOUT THE BATHROOMS IN THE RESTAURANT, THAT THAT SPACE WASN'T BUILT OUT YET. SO I THINK THERE WOULD BE COMMERCIAL SPACE RESTROOMS. WELL, THAT'S OKAY. HOW, HOW WE GET SOMEBODY TO ALLOW THE USE. I WONDER IF THAT'S BETTER PART OF THE RIVERFRONT OVERVIEW AND CALL FIELD ACTIVATION CONVERSATION. LIKE THERE'S THIS BOATHOUSE POTENTIAL, LIKE I I, I THINK IN THEIR FOOTPRINT, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A PUBLIC RESTROOM IN THAT WAY. WOULDN'T THIS GO BACK TO PARKS RECREATION AGAIN, BECAUSE WE HAVE, WE HAVE THE LARGE, THE LARGE FIELD, THE TOT LOT THAT'S, THAT'S ALREADY ALAR, LOT OF TERRITORY THAT THEY'RE MANAGING. IT WOULD MAKE SENSE IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE HOPING TO BUILD OUT WHAT THE, UH, COMMUNITY MEMBERS STATED EARLIER WAS EFFECTIVELY SEVERAL SOCCER FIELDS, BLACK WAY, NOT MUCH GOING ON. PART OF BUILDING OUT A PARK IS ALSO HAVING A PUBLIC RESTROOM. NO, ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. I WOULD BE PRETTY DARN SURPRISED THAT THE CFD DID NOT ALREADY PLAN FOR SEVERAL BATHROOMS BECAUSE OF THE PARK AND THE TOWN GREEN AND EVERYTHING. SO DOES IS THE CFD MADE UP OF A COMBINATION OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS PLUS PARKS AND REC WORKING TOGETHER? OR IS IT THAT'S, WHO'S THE ACTUAL MANAGEMENT? THAT WAS THE QUESTION I WAS TRYING TO ASK EARLIER AND I JUST COULDN'T ARTICULATE WELL, SURE. SO HOW THE CFD AND I'M TRYING TO READ WHICH STANDS FOR YEAH. COMMUNITY FACILITIES DISTRICT. I KNOW THAT, UH, TRYING TO READ HOW THIS 66 PAGE THING, BUT IT, IT GIVES A, WHEN COUNCIL APPROVED THIS BACK IN 2017, A LIST OF IMPROVEMENTS AND THEN EVERY YEAR, UH, COUNCIL WILL PASS A RESOLUTION ASSESSING THOSE PROPERTIES. AND IN THAT YEAR, I BELIEVE IT WILL INCLUDE SPECIFIC IMPROVEMENTS AND JUST KIND OF LIKE A GENERAL, HEY, HOW THE FUNDS WERE USED LAST YEAR, WHAT THE FUNDS WILL BE USED THIS OR FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR. UM, SO I THINK THAT'S HOW IT'S IMPLEMENTED. SO IT'S COUNCIL DISCRETION EFFECTIVELY OVER A STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON A FUND. I THINK COUNCIL APPROVED A PRETTY GENERAL AND BROAD, UH, BACK IN 2017, HEY, THESE ARE THE TYPE OF FACILITIES THAT WE WANT THESE FUNDS TO BE USED. UM, AND THEN IT'LL PROBABLY GET INTO THE MORE GRANULAR, HEY, PREVIOUSLY WE IMPROVED A TRAIL LAST YEAR, WE DON'T NEED TO IMPROVE A TRAIL THIS YEAR. SO THOSE FUNDS WILL BE USED FOR X, Y, AND Z. SO DOES THE, DOES THAT REVIEW HAPPEN IN THE SORT OF ANNUAL BUDGET REVIEW? I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE. LET ME JUST KEEP READING AND YEAH. THE CITY ENGINEERS REQUIRED TO PROVIDE AN ANNUAL REPORT REGARDING THE, UH, ACTIVITIES OF THE, UH, OF THE CFD. SO THE CFD IS A, IT'S A FUNDING MECHANISM TO PAY FOR THE COST OF MAINTAINING, UH, PUBLIC FACILITIES. SO, UM, IT'S AN ASSESSMENT TO TAX ASSESSMENT ON EACH PARCEL. UM, AND THE, UH, SIZE OF THE ASSESSMENT, UH, VARIES DEPENDING ON, ON THE, UM, THE TYPE OF PARCEL IT IS. UM, THE, ALL OF THE IMPROVE, THERE ARE NO NEW IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED WITH THE CFD THAT WOULD REPLACE, UH, THERE'S A SINKING FUND TO, UH, THAT IS PART OF THAT, THAT WOULD BE USED TO REPLACE FACILITIES AS THEY WEAR OUT. UM, PAYS FOR THE COST OF, YOU KNOW, ANY OF THE STREET LIGHTING, COST OF STREET SWEEPING, THE COST OF MOWING THE FIELDS, THE COST OF, UH, THE STORMWATER QUALITY PONDS OUT THERE ARE PART OF THAT. SO THE COST OF MAINTAINING THOSE, UM, THE COST OF MAINTAINING THE, THE PARK, UH, LAND OUT THERE, THAT'S ALL PART OF, THAT'S PAID FOR THROUGH [04:40:01] THE COMMU COMMUNITY FACILITIES DISTRICT. IT SOUNDS LIKE, GIVEN HOW MANY TIMES WE'VE HEARD THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PLA THE BALL FIELDS ARE SORT OF BUILT AS INTENDED. THE CENTRAL GREEN IS BUILT AS INTENDED THAT PROBABLY FOR THE COMMUNITY FAC, CCF D COMMUNITY FACILITIES. DISTRICT DISTRICT, THANK YOU. AND WE'RE GETTING PRETTY CLOSE TO 11 HERE AND WE'LL NEED A MOTIONS. OKAY. REAL QUICK, LET MAKE THIS POINT THAT THE CFD PROBABLY CONSIDERS THIS NEIGHBORHOOD CHECKED OFF THE LIST. SO OUR ABILITY IN TERMS IN TERMS OF CONSTRUCTING IMPROVEMENTS. CORRECT. SO, BUT NOT IT'S AN ONGOING IN PERPETUITY. IT GOES ON TO, TO MAINTAIN OR PLACE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. BUT IF WE'RE HEARING FROM NEIGHBORS THAT THE RIVERFRONT NEIGHBORHOOD NEEDS SOME LOVE, IT SOUNDS LIKE OUR TOOLS ARE PROBABLY PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT AND THEIR MONEY AND PUBLIC ART AND THEIR MONEY AS OPPOSED TO THE CFD. CORRECT. THE CFD IS JUST GONNA MAINTAIN WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED. THANK YOU. WHICH IS WHY I AM GLAD WE CAME TO AGREEMENT THAT THE TOT LOT WAS GONNA BE TAKEN CARE OF THROUGH PARKS AND REC. WE ARE NOW MOVING AWAY FROM THE CF AND THIS IS MY FAULT BY THE WAY. WE ARE NOW MOVING AWAY FROM THE CFD DISCUSSION. UH, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR A MOTION TO EXTEND THE MEETING. I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO EXTEND THE MEETING. I'LL SECOND DO A ROLL CALL. VOTE FOR THIS. YEAH. COMMISSIONER BOWER? YES. COMMISSIONER MOSES? YEP. COMMISSIONER MCCARLEY. ABSENT. COMMISSIONER KUSON? YES. COMMISSIONER WIMAN? YES. VICE MAYOR CATER THOMPSON? YES. CHAIR HOOPER? YES, THE VOTE IS PASSED. OKAY. CROSSWALKS. THAT WAS THE NEXT THING, THAT WE HAD TO TALK ABOUT WAS THERE, THERE WAS APPARENTLY A, A ISSUE WITH HOW THAT WAS GOING TO BE WARRANTED. I'M JUST, JUST GOING OFF THE LIST THAT YOU GAVE ME ORIGINALLY WHEN WE CAME BACK FROM THE BREAK. SO, SO WE HAD, UM, DRAFTED A CONDITION OF APPROVAL. THE PROJECT APPLICANT SHALL DESIGN AND IMPLEMENT AND ENHANCE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING BETWEEN THE PROJECT SITE AND THE CENTRAL GREEN SUBJECT TO A TRUE APPROVAL BY THE CITY ENGINEER. UH, BUT THEN WE CONSIDERED THAT GIVEN THE DESIGN WORK THAT'S GOING INTO THE COFF, THE CAWFIELD BRIDGE PROJECT RIGHT. AS WELL AS LOT SIX THAT MAY BE EMERGING AS SUCH, THAT THERE MAY BE LARGER, LARGER GOALS IN MIND FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE ROADWAY RATHER THAN JUST A CROSSWALK. AND WE DIDN'T WANT TO GET OUT AHEAD OF THAT. SO I THINK WOULD THE CITY ENGINEER MANAGE THOSE GOALS? WHAT'S THAT? WOULD THE CITY ENGINEER BE THE SORT OF DECISION MAKER ON THOSE GOALS? WELL, RIGHT, BUT IF WE HAVE, IF WE HAVE THE RE IF THE, WE HAVE THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT THE APPLICANT SHALL DESIGN AND IMPLEMENT AN ENHANCED PEDESTRIAN CROSSING, AND THEN THE CITY ENGINEER SAYS, WELL, BUT I, I DON'T, I I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WANT. BUT IN SEQUENCING THAT WOULD BEST HAPPEN AFTER WE'VE APPROVED THE DESIGN FOR THE COFFEE FIELD BRIDGE AND ALL OF THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, THEN WE'RE EFFECTIVELY HOLDING THE PROJECT UP BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE TO SATISFY THAT CONDITION OF APPROVAL IN ORDER FOR PLANNING TO SIGN OFF. SO THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IF THERE MIGHT BE AN ALTERNATIVE. DO, DO WE HAVE ANY SENSE OF THE TIMELINE OF THE COFFEE FIELD AND ALL THESE AFFILIATED IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE BECOMING REALLY CENTRAL? WELL, I KNOW THAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO COMPLETE DESIGN, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE, UM, CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS BY 2025. SO IT'S A FAIRLY AGGRESSIVE DESIGN SCHEDULE. UM, AND LIKELY IF THE PROJECT WAS APPROVED, UH, TONIGHT, CONSTRUCTION WOULD BEGIN IN WHAT, 12 TO 18 MONTHS AND THEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 18 MONTHS CONSTRUCTION TIMEFRAME. SO WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT THREE YEARS FROM TONIGHT. SO 2026 FOR OCCUPANCY. SO THEY COULD ALIGN. BUT, BUT IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT TO SAY, RIGHT. COULDN'T WE SAY THAT? UH, WAIT, WHAT WAS THAT ? COULDN'T WE SAY, UM, THE APPLICANT SHALL INSTALL AN ENHANCED SIDEWALK IF, UM, UNDER THE APPROVAL OF THE CITY ENGINEER. THAT MEANS IF THE CITY ENGINEER DOESN'T APPROVE IT, IT DOESN'T NEED TO HAPPEN. SURE. I I, YEAH. SOLD. YEAH. I THINK IF WE CAN GIVE THE CITY ENGINEER VETO POWER AS THEY WILL BE THE ONE, IT RESOLVES THE ISSUE ALTOGETHER THINKING ABOUT THAT, THEN I'M FINE WITH THAT. I, I GUESS THE PROBLEM THERE IS WHAT IF THE CITY ENGINEER DOESN'T VETO IT, THEN THEY HAVE TO IMPLEMENT IT THEN, THEN YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY GIVING THE CITY ENGINEER, THEN IT GETS IMPLEMENT IT, THINK IT'S IMPLEMENTED. I I THINK THEN WE WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A CONFLICT OR, OR THAT IT WOULD BE VALUE ADDED OR ADDITIVE TO ANY PLANS FOR FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS OF THE [04:45:01] ROADWAY. MM-HMM. , WHAT PART ARE WE TALKING, WHERE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? I THINK YOU'RE, THEY'RE UH, UH, COMMISSIONER BAUER, MAY, MAY HAVE MISSPOKE. YOU MEANT THE CROSSWALK, NOT THE SIDEWALK. MM-HMM. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ROUNDABOUT. CORRECT. WE ARE THE CROSSWALK FROM THE FRONT DOOR WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. YEAH. THE MIDDLE, THE CROSSWALK GOING THROUGH THE ROUNDABOUT, THE CENTRAL GREEN THAT IS NOT VERY GREEN. RIGHT. WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN ENHANCED CROSSWALK FROM YOUR DEVELOPMENT TO THAT CENTRAL GREEN, ASSUMING IT WILL EVENTUALLY BE AN ATTRACTIVE PLACE TO ENJOY THE OUTDOORS. AND SO IT'S JUST GONNA BE JUST THAT ONE SIDE BETWEEN LOT FIVE AND THE CENTRAL GREEN. AND THEN WHEN WE HAVE LOT SIX IN FRONT OF US IN FIVE MONTHS, WE WILL WE'LL SAY THE SAME THING. YEP. FOR SYMMETRY, I HONESTLY, I THINK HAVING THE, THE ALLOWANCE FOR THE ENGINEER VETO SOLVES THIS PREP PROBLEM PRETTY NICELY FOR US. IF IT'S A GOOD IDEA, IT'S A GOOD IDEA. IF IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA, IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA AND IT DOESN'T HAPPEN. UH, I'M READY TO MOVE ON FROM THIS TOPIC. IF YOU, IF EVERYONE ELSE IS, I'M READY TO MOVE. OKAY. THEN THAT LEAVES US WITH ONE MORE IN THE COLUMN OF THINGS THAT NEEDED TO BE WORKED THROUGH, WHICH IS THE, THE ROUND, THE CENTRAL GREEN OR THE ELONGATED ROUNDABOUT, HOWEVER YOU'D LIKE TO REFER TO IT. UM, ORIGINALLY THE IDEA WAS THAT WE WERE GONNA SAY THERE WAS A NEXUS BETWEEN THIS PROJECT AND THEN THE NEXT PROJECT REQUIRES SOME SHADE OR AT LEAST SUPPORT TO BUILD SOME SHADE BECAUSE WAITING FOR THE TREES TO GROW MIGHT TAKE QUITE A LONG TIME. UH, AND THEN IT WAS BROUGHT UP THAT WE MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE I BELIEVE THE CFD, SO THEN THE IDEA WAS TO GO THROUGH PUBLIC ART, I BELIEVE, ANDREW? CORRECT? CORRECT. I THINK SO. ARE WE? YEAH, I THINK THAT WAS THE FIRST ONE. THAT WAS THE FIRST ONE WHERE WE SAID LIKE, LET'S LET PUBLIC ART DO THEIR PUBLIC ART THING. SORRY. THE REASON I BROUGHT IT BACK UP WAS BECAUSE I, I, THE CFD WE KNOW WASN'T CERTAIN WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS LET PUBLIC ART DO THEIR PUBLIC ART THING OR GEOGRAPHIC, JUST FORGET THE, FORGET THE SHADE OR LET THEM DO THEIR THING. BUT WE'RE REQUIRING SHADE AND HOPEFULLY THE TREES GROW, SO HOPEFULLY THE TREES GROW. GOT IT. YEAH. OKAY. WE, WE HAVE CLARITY AND CHAIR. I WILL ADD, I'M LOOKING AT THE GOVERNMENT CODE RIGHT NOW AND IT DOES PROVIDE A MECHANISM FOR CITY COUNCIL TO AMEND CFDS EITHER THE APPORTIONMENT OR THE FACILITIES THAT ARE BEING PROVIDED IN SERVICE. SO, YOU KNOW, IN TWO YEARS IF THE PUBLIC SAYS, HEY AND THE NEIGHBORS, WE DON'T WANT THE CENTRAL GREEN, WE WANT A MORE ACTIVE OR THE TOP FIELDS, THERE IS A WAY TO, UH, CHANGE THAT. GREAT. IF THAT HELPS. YEAH. BUT IT'S GOOD TO REMEMBER THAT THIS PROJECT IS NOT THE CENTRAL GREEN PROJECT. SO WITH THAT IN MIND, UH, BEFORE I GO TO ASK ANDREW TO GO OVER THE WARRANTS WE CURRENTLY HAVE WITH THE CHANGES WE'VE MADE, ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE? I HAD A FEELING. GO AHEAD DARREN. NO ADDITIONS. JUST TWO QUESTIONS THAT ARE EATING ME UP ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL SIDE. I'M JUST GONNA GET THEM OUT. UM, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED VINYL WINDOWS TO DEATH. WE CAME TO A CONSENSUS, DYLAN, BECAUSE IN THE BACK OF MY MIND I'M THINKING NO TO VINYL WINDOWS. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS AS A COMMUNITY. WOULD WE, WHAT ARE THE CHALLENGES WE'D HAVE IN MAKING NEXUS FOR THAT AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL? 'CAUSE THAT THE MORE I THOUGHT ABOUT IT AS WE HAD OUR DISCUSSION, SUDDENLY I'M THINKING WOULD WE EVEN BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT REQUIREMENT, UH, FOR SPAR? I THINK WE WOULD. 'CAUSE THAT'S ALL ABOUT SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL. SO THE WINDOWS I THINK IS A BIG PART OF THE SITE PLAN. SO IF PLANNING COMMISSION DECIDES TO GO WITH NO VINYL OR WITH ANDREW'S SUGGESTION OF, YOU KNOW, AT STAFF LEVEL, I THINK EITHER WAY WORKS. PERFECT. PERFECT. AND WE'LL WAIT TO SEE THAT LANGUAGE. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A, A LOCAL WILDLIFE EXPERT WHO WROTE IN, AND I APPRECIATED ANDREW'S RESPONSE ABOUT BUFFER ZONES AND ONE OF THE MIGRATORY BIRD SPECIES. THEY TALKED ABOUT A BUFFER ZONE AROUND THE ONE 16 OVERPASS. ANDREW, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SPEAK TO THAT. WHAT BUFFER ARE WE ALREADY COVERED IN BUFFER ZONES? UM, IS THIS SOMETHING WE COULD ADD ANYWHERE? FEASIBLY, WHEN I LOOK AT 50 FEET, I, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT WE MEAN BY THE LAKE HIGHWAY ONE 16 OVERPASS, BUT IF IT'S WHERE I'M THINKING 50 FEET DOESN'T FEEL LIKE IT WOULD INTRUDE ON THIS PROJECT FOR CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY, IS THAT SOMETHING WE COULD ADD IN THIS VEIN OR, WELL, I WAS A BIT, WHEN WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THE, THE CONCERNS AND THE MITIGATION MEASURES FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS PROJECT, WE, WE THINK WE ALSO HAVE LOT SIX THAT WOULD EVENTUALLY BE DEVELOPED, WHICH IS BETWEEN THE, THE LAKEVILLE ROAD OVERPASS AND THE RIVER BRIDGE. WELL, THERE'S A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT THAT HAPPENS BETWEEN THE PROJECT AND THE, THE RIVER BRIDGE. BUT BETWEEN THE LAKEVILLE OVERPASS AND THIS PROJECT, WE WOULD HAVE LOT SIX DEVELOPMENT. [04:50:01] WE WOULD HAVE THE TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT AND ALL OF THAT'S THAT. I MEAN, THE, THE TOWNHOMES ARE APPROVED. SO I'M, I'M NOT CERTAIN TO WHAT EXTENT THE MITIGATION MEASURES APPLIED TO THIS PROJECT WOULD BE EFFECTIVE, QUITE FRANKLY. I, I RESPECT THE, I RESPECT THE GOALS OF THE MITIGATION MEASURES, BUT THEY, THEY JUST DIDN'T STRIKE ME AS BEING APPLICABLE TO THIS PROJECT NECESSARILY. WE'RE GONNA BE BUILDING IN SAID BUFFER ZONES. RIGHT. SO, OKAY. ALRIGHT. I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. AND AS AN ASIDE, THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING THE THOROUGH RESPONSE TO THAT COMMENT. IN PARTICULAR, IT WAS, IT WAS GOOD TO FEEL A CERTAIN SENSE OF SECURITY AS WE WERE GOING THROUGH IT. UH, WELL, I JUST WANNA NOTE THAT THE RESPONSE, I, I REALLY EMAILED THE RESPONSE. IT WAS, UM, PRINCIPAL PLANNER CRYSTAL RIZZIE OH. WHO HAD WORKED ON THE ADDENDUM AND THEN THANK YOU CRYSTAL, UH, EMMANUEL WHO HAD DRAFTED THE RESPONSE FOR ME. SO I JUST, I WANT TO GIVE THEM CREDIT BECAUSE, UH, THANK YOU. THEY DID THAT IN QUICK ORDER AND, AND I FELT WERE, WE'RE, UM, THOROUGH. THANK YOU. NOW I THINK WE'RE AT THE MOMENT WHERE WE CAN REVIEW THE WARRANTS AS HAVE BEEN FRANKENSTEIN TOGETHER TONIGHT AND THEN SEE IF WE CAN COME TO AGREEMENT AND A VOTE. GREAT. THANK YOU. IT IS, UH, GREAT TO BE HERE AT THIS POINT, . SO, UH, FIRST OFF, I WANTED TO, TO DRAW THE COMMISSION'S ATTENTION TO A REVISION THAT WE NEED TO MAKE TO THE, UM, THE DRAFT RESOLUTION THAT'S BEFORE YOU. AND THAT'S TO MODIFY IZO SUB ONE E FINDING TO REFLECT THE REVISED COLOR PALETTE AS PROPOSED FOR PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEW ON DECEMBER 19TH, 2023. MM-HMM. . THEN, UH, WITHIN THAT RESOLUTION, UH, SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO APPROVE IT, YOU WOULD BE APPROVING A REQUEST FOR A PARKING REDUCTION WARRANT. MM-HMM. AS DISCUSSED. AND THEN YOU WOULD ALSO BE APPROVING A REQUEST FOR A BUILDING LENGTH WARRANT. UH, MM-HMM. , UM, REDUCTION IN BUILDING LENGTH. SO THEN ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. UH, THE FIRST, A VINYL WINDOW OPTION THAT IS DOCUMENTED TO BE PRODUCED IN AN ENVIRONMENTALLY, ENVIRONMENTALLY RESPONSIBLE MANNER DEMONSTRATES INCREASED LIVITY AND MAY EXHIBIT REDUCED ANDREW? YEAH. ANDREW, COULD WE PUT THIS ON SCREEN? SCREEN? OH, SURE. THANK YOU. UM, OKAY. SO VINYL WINDOW OPTION DOCUMENTED TO BE PRODUCED IN AN ENVIRONMENTALLY RESPONSIBLE MANNER THAT DEMONSTRATES INCREASED LONGEVITY AND MAY EXHIBIT REDUCED FLAMMABILITY CONSISTENT WITH A NON VINYL WINDOW PRODUCT MAY BE ALLOWED SUBJECT REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY THE PLANNING MANAGER CONDITION OF APPROVAL. NUMBER TWO, A PASSENGER LOADING ZONE SHALL BE ESTABLISHED ON CAULFIELD WAYNE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE BUILDING'S PRIMARY ENTRANCE SUBJECT TO APPROVAL BY THE CITY ENGINEER. NUMBER THREE, SUBJECT TO DECISION AND APPROVAL OF THE CITY ENGINEER. THE PROJECT APPLICANT SHALL DESIGN AND IMPLEMENT AND ENHANCE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING BETWEEN THE PROJECT SITE AND THE CENTRAL GREEN. AND JUST AS A NOTE THERE, THAT SUBJECT TO DECISION, UH, WOULD BE GIVE THE, UH, CITY ENGINEER THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE A DECISION NOT TO REQUIRE THAT, UH, CONDITION. NUMBER FOUR, BICYCLE STORAGE SHALL BE ADEQUATE FOR BICYCLE ALTERNATIVES SUCH AS TRICYCLES, SUBJECT TO REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY THE PLANNING MANAGER. NUMBER FIVE, ALL EXTERIOR LIGHTING SHALL BE FULL CUTOFF LIGHTING SUCH THAT NO LIGHT IS EMITTED AT OR ABOVE AN ANGLE OF 90 DEGREES FROM THE HORIZONTAL PLANE. ALL OTHER APPLICABLE LIGHTING REGULATIONS SHALL BE APPLIED. THE PROJECT SHALL EXCEED THE MINIMUM EV PARKING SPACE IS REQUIRED BY AND, UH, 100% DID WE, WHAT WAS THE MINIMUM ONE? PARKING SPACE? YEAH, AT LEAST A HUNDRED PERCENT. AT LEAST 300%. THE 300%. BECAUSE WE WANT THREE. WHAT'S REQUIRED? THIS IS THE EV PARKING, NOT THE HANDICAP PARKING. SAY THAT THIS IS FOR THE, UH, EV PARKING, NOT THE HANDICAP. EV WE WANT THREE SPOTS. THREE SPOTS TOTAL. BUT I DON'T THINK THE CURRENT EV SPOT THAT YOU'VE GOT NEXT TO STAIR FOUR COUNTS, BECAUSE I THINK THAT SHOULD BE THE VAN SPOT. I 300%. [04:55:02] IF THAT GETS US FOUR, FOUR, THEN YES, WE GET THREE. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. THE PROJECT SHALL PROVIDE A MINIMUM OF THREE A DA PARKING SPACES ON SITE OR ADJACENT PUBLIC OR IN THE ADJACENT PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. AND COMPLIANCE WITH THE BUILDING CODE. DOES ADJACENT PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY MEAN THE FRONTAGE? YES. RIGHT. NOT, NOT THOSE ANSULAR. WE'VE GOT EXTRA PARKING SPOTS. 43 OVER HERE, 20 SOMETHING OVER HERE. WE SHOULD MAYBE DO A BUDDING JUST DO FRONT. YEAH. THEN UM, NUMBER EIGHT, ALL COMMERCIAL DELIVERY ACTIVITY SHALL TAKE PLACE IN THE REAR OF THE BUILDING UTILIZING ALLEYWAY ACCESS. NINE. INTERNAL CIRCULATION AND ACCESS TO GROUND FLOOR ELEVATORS SHALL BE IMPROVED. SUBJECT TO FIRE MARSHAL AND CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL APPROVALS. NUMBER 10, PURSUANT TO THE AUTHORITY GRANTED BY ZERO SECTION 18.1 HUNDRED, THE PUBLIC ART REQUIREMENT SHALL BE IMPLEMENTED WITHIN THE RIVERFRONT COMMUNITY SUBJECT TO APPLICABLE REGULATIONS GOVERNING REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY THE PETALUMA PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE. NUMBER 11, RECOMMEND COLLABORATION WITH SENIOR ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND CITY PARTS TO AUGMENT EXISTING TOT LOT ADJACENT TO THE PROJECT SITE IN ORDER TO PROVIDE ADULT RECREATION EQUIPMENT. CAN WE JUST SPECIFY THE EV IS FOUR IN CASE EV REQUIREMENTS CHANGE AND THE 300% ALL OF A SUDDEN BECOMES LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER 30? SURE. WE, YEAH, I, I, LIKE I SAID, I'M SORT OF LIKE, I WANT THIS MANY MAKE IT SAY THAT. SO IF THAT'S, I'M INCLINED TO DO A NUMBER. YEAH. IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN DO A NUMBER, YOU'D SAID ORIGINALLY WHEN WE WERE DRAFTING THESE THAT IT NEEDED TO BE A PERCENTAGE, BUT YEAH, LET'S DO, WE APPEAR TO HAVE CONSENSUS ON IT BEING A NUMBER. THAT'S GREAT. GREAT. THAT CHANGE IS MADE THEN. THANK YOU. UH, UNLESS THERE ARE ANY EDITS OR CHANGES FROM, UH, FROM THE DIOCESE, I WOULD LIKE TO GET, I GUESS THIS WOULD BE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE DRAFT RESOLUTION WITH THE WARRANTS AS DESCRIBED. IS THAT CORRECT? WITH THE, THE MODIFICATION, UM, THE WARRANTS AND THE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. CORRECT. I SHOULD NOT BE THE ONE MAKING THE MOTION AS CHAIR, SO I'M ASKING FOR, I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION. THANK YOU. I'LL SECOND PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COMMISSIONER BAUER. YES. COMMISSIONER MOSES? YES. COMMISSIONER MCCARLEY. ABSENT. COMMISSIONER KUSON? YES. COMMISSIONER WIMAN? YES. VICE MARY KETER THOMPSON. YES. CHAIR HOOPER. YES. THE MOTION HAS PASSED. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO STAFF FOR GETTING US THROUGH ALL OF THIS TONIGHT. THANK YOU TO THE APPLICANT TEAM FOR BEARING WITH US. NOT JUST TONIGHT, BUT WE'VE BEEN ON QUITE A JOURNEY TOGETHER TO GET TO THIS POINT. UH, AND YOU HAVE BEEN SINCERELY SOME OF THE NICEST APPLICANTS I'VE SEEN GO THROUGH THIS HERE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND YOUR GRACE. AND WITH THAT, [COMMITTEE COMMENT] NO, WE'RE NOT DONE. I ALWAYS, YEAH. UH, TECHNICALLY SPEAKING NOW WOULD BE THE TIME FOR COMMISSION COMMENT AND COMMISSION COMMENT WOULD BE [STAFF COMMENT] FOLLOWED BY STAFF COMMENT BEFORE ADJOURNMENT . IT'S THE LAST WEEK OF THE YEAR. DO WE NEED, I I I FEEL IS THERE SOMETHING URGENT? WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS PROVIDE YOU WITH, UM, THE, UM, MEETING SCHEDULE FOR JANUARY OF 2024, AND THEN I WILL DEFER MY OTHER THREE AND A HALF PAGES OF COMMENTS ABOUT 2023 SUCCESSES IN 2024 GOALS UNTIL JANUARY. DOES THAT SOUND GREAT? OKAY. SO WE, WE, UH, DO NOT HAVE AGENDA ITEMS FOR THE JANUARY 9TH, 2024 MEETING. SO WE WILL BE CANCELING THE FIRST, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING IN THE MONTH OF JANUARY. WE DO HAVE AGENDA ITEMS FOR THE JANUARY 23RD, 2024 MEETING. UM, THAT WILL INCLUDE AN ANNEXATION, A PREZONING FOR ANNEXATION OF 5,400 OLD REDWOOD HIGHWAY. OKAY. AND, UH, POSSIBLY, UM, SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW OF THE SB THREE 30 PROJECT AT, UH, TWO RAVINA LANE. ALRIGHT, SO, UM, PLAN ON THAT. WE'LL SEND OUT, OF COURSE, QUORUM CHECKS AND, AND, UH, THE CANCELLATION NOTICE. THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MUCH FOR SERVICE AND, UH, I'M JUST GOING TO DECIDE WE'RE MOVING PAST COMMISSIONER [05:00:01] KAMAN, IF THAT'S OKAY. I, I WANT TO SAY IT IS LOVELY TO WORK WITH ALL OF YOU ON THIS DAUS AND THIS HAS BEEN A JAM PACKED YEAR AND MAY YOU ALL HAVE A WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL HOLIDAY SEASON. GOODNIGHT EVERYBODY. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.