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          [CALL TO ORDER]
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          ASHLEY PRESENT. 
          BAKER HERE. 
          MUNSTER? HERE. 
          ELLEN KEMP TI HERE. 
          PETERS HERE. 
          FG. 
          SHRIVES HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          THE FIRST ORDER 
          [GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT]
BUSINESS IS GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          I HAVE ONE SPEAKER CARD. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS, PLEASE DRAFT THEM. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO SAY DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON ITEMS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THAT ARE WITHIN THE CITY COUNCILS AND COMMITTEES, SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION THAT ARE NOT LISTED ON THE CURRENT AGENDA. 
          COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON. 
          THE FIRST COMMENT CARD AS I HAVE IS NICOLA FRY. 
          HELLO. 
          UM, I THOUGHT I'D STAY JUST TO DO THIS A LITTLE BIT AND THEN I'M MOVING. 
          NOT THAT I DON'T ALL LOVE ALL OF YOU, BUT I NEED TO GET HOME. 
          UM, I WANNA THANK YOU. 
          AND IT KIND OF COMES FROM MYSELF PERSONALLY, BUT ALSO COMES FROM THE SENIOR ADVISORY COMMITTEE. 
          UM, WE DID NOT KNOW HOW IMPORTANT GIVING OUR COMMENTS TO THE BLUE DON OR THE BLUE PRINT WOULD BE, BUT WE MANAGED TO DO IT. 
          WE DID IT TODAY IN OUR MEETING WHEN OUR MEETING WAS NINE O'CLOCK THIS MORNING. 
          UM, WE, I HAVE SENT OUT ALL THE INFORMATION, UM, THROUGH OUR LIAISON PERSON AND THEY GOT IT TO EVERYBODY. 
          UM, AS SOON AS XI WE GOT IT, UM, EVERYBODY SUBMITTED COMMENTS AHEAD OF TIME, AND THEN WE TALKED TODAY AND ADDED MORE COMMENTS. 
          UM, AND ALL I HAVE TO DO IS CORRELATE IT ALL TOGETHER AND SEND IT ON. 
          BUT I WANNA THANK YOU FOR MAKING THE POINT OF CHANGING THE DATES, GETTING THE INFORMATION OUT TO THE REST OF THE COMMITTEES AND THE COMMISSIONS. 
          UM, I'VE HEARD FROM A NUMBER OF OTHER CHAIRS OF OTHER COMMITTEES AND COMMISSIONS WHO ALL SAID IT WAS GREAT THAT THEY GOT TO INPUT INTO THIS DOCUMENT. 
          IT'S CRITICAL FOR OUR TOWN. 
          IT'S CRITICAL FOR ALL OF US WHO GIVE VOLUNTEER TIME TO MAKE OUR TOWN WORK, UM, THAT WE GOT TO DO THIS. 
          AND SO THANK YOU. 
          WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT. 
          AND NOW I'M GOING HOME, . 
          UM, 
          [APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
THE NEXT ITEM WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL. 
          THE 
          [PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION]
NEXT ITEM WE HAVE IS NUMBER TWO, PUBLIC HEARING AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION. 
          THE COMMISSIONERS WILL DISCUSS THE AD HOC CONSOLIDATED RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE BLUEPRINT FOR CARBON NEUTRALITY. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, PATRICK OR RIHANNA, IF YOU HAVE SOME OPENING COMMENTS OR, I KNOW, UH, WE'RE WORKING ON SOME SLIDES TO PRESENT. 
          SO, UM, YEAH, I THINK WE'D LIKE TO START IT OFF WITH A FEW COMMENTS. 
          UM, AND THEN, UH, TURN IT OVER TO THE AD HOC. 
          UM, I'M HAPPY TO GO UNLESS YOU'D LIKE TO RIHANNA. 
          UM, GO AHEAD. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I THINK FIRST OFF, UM, WE'D LIKE TO THANK THE COMMISSION AS A WHOLE, BUT ESPECIALLY THE AD HOC, UM, FOR THE WORK THAT YOU ALL PUT INTO THIS, UM, IT'S OBVIOUS FROM HOW CONCISE YOU MADE IT, UM, THAT YOU PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO IT. 
          UH, THERE'S THAT, UH, SAYING ABOUT, SORRY, I WROTE YOU SUCH A LONG LETTER. 
          I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO WRITE A SHORT ONE. 
          YOU, YOU OBVIOUSLY TOOK THE TIME TO WRITE THE SHORT ONE, GIVEN THE VOLUME OF THINGS THAT WERE IN HERE, AND ALSO VERY THOUGHTFUL AS WELL. 
          UM, SO JUST WANTED TO EXPRESS THE APPRECIATION FOR THAT. 
          UM, LOOKING THROUGH IT AS STAFF, UM, THERE'S SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CHANGES. 
          SO I THINK, UM, GIVEN THE ALREADY MENTIONED, UM, FACT THAT THE PROCESS HAS CHANGED, UM, WE AS STAFF ARE GONNA BE TAKING A LOOK AT THIS, UM, AND HAVING LIKE OUR INTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS TALK ABOUT THE, THE VOLUME OF THE CHANGES THAT ARE IN HERE. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE COMMENTS TALKS ABOUT LIMITING THE DOCUMENT TO NO MORE THAN 50 PAGES, INCLUDING THE APPENDICES. 
          RIGHT NOW IT'S, IT'S ABOUT, UH, FOUR TIMES 
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THAT. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S A, THAT'S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CHANGE AND WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE WOULD BE ABLE TO INCORPORATE THAT, INCORPORATE THAT. 
          ALSO GIVEN THE FACT THAT THERE ARE OTHER COMMITTEES, COMMISSIONS AND BOARDS THAT HAVEN'T WEIGHED IN ON IT. 
          SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE PROCESS PLAYS OUT THAT WE'RE NOT JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, GIVING LIP SERVICE TO THE OTHER ONES. 
          WE REALLY WANT ALL THIS FEEDBACK AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE INCORPORATING IT, UM, ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN, AND THAT IT, IT WORKS FOR THE DOCUMENT. 
          UM, I THINK ONE THING THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED, UM, THAT WE'RE GONNA TRY AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO, HOW TO MAKE IT MORE CLEAR GOING FORWARD IS THAT WHILE THIS DOCUMENT'S BEING PRESENTED ON ITS OWN IN, IN THE ABSENCE OF ALL THE OTHER, UM, GENERAL PLAN DOCUMENTS THAT ARE OUT THERE, IT'S NOT A STANDALONE DOCUMENT IN THAT WAY. 
          THERE ARE OTHER ELEMENTS OF THE GENERAL PLAN, OR SOME OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS SHOW UP. 
          SO WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S REFERENCING THROUGH HYPERLINKS OR, UM, YOU KNOW, DIRECT REFERENCING, YOU KNOW, KEEPING THE DOCUMENTS SO THAT WE LOOK AT THESE THINGS HOLISTICALLY INSTEAD OF, UM, IN A VACUUM. 
          AND I, I THINK THAT WILL ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DO THAT THOUGHTFULLY IN A WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, MAKES PEOPLE FEEL HEARD , BECAUSE I THINK THAT WAS, UM, SOME OF THE, THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED IN, IN THE PAST MONTHS IS THAT PEOPLE DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THEIR FEEDBACK WAS BEING, OR THEY WEREN'T EVEN GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE THE FEEDBACK. 
          SO WE REALLY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING THAT CLEARLY GOING FORWARD. 
          UM, YEAH. 
          ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO ADD TO THAT RIHANNA? UM, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD AGAIN, AND I THINK, UH, HEATHER HINES FROM OUR, UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, UH, DEPARTMENT, OUR PLANNING DIVISION WOULD LIKE TO SAY A FEW THINGS AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU, PATRICK. 
          GOOD EVENING, CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS. 
          I JUST WANTED, I'M HERE, UM, TO LISTEN ALSO, UM, ERIC WITH RAMEY IS ON HIS WAY, SO HE MUST HAVE GOTTEN CAUGHT IN A LITTLE BIT OF TRAFFIC, I WOULD ASSUME. 
          UM, AND HE AND I HAVE TALKED THROUGH A LOT OF THESE COMMENTS AND SO WE'RE HOPING THAT AS PART OF THE PRESENTATION FROM THE AD HOC AND THE DIS DIALOGUE, WE CAN HAVE SOME DIALOGUE. 
          'CAUSE THERE'S SOME OF 'EM THAT ARE LIKE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE, THE WHY OR THE EMPHASIS, OR THERE'S SOMETHING SIMILAR HERE. 
          IS THE COMMENT BECAUSE THAT WASN'T ENOUGH, OR IS IT PRIORITIZATION OR, SO HOPING JUST THERE'LL BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME OF THAT, THAT DIALOGUE AS PART OF THIS EVENING'S PROCEEDINGS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WITH THAT, I HAVE RECEIVED THE PRESENTATION, SO IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO START PRESENTING ANNE, UM, THE MANIFESTATION OF THE BELIEF THAT WE'D RECEIVE IT, IT, IT WORKED. 
          AND THANK YOU TO OUR IT DEPARTMENT FOR HAVING THE WIFI. 
          SO IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO SHARE MY SCREEN, I CAN START THAT NOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS. 
          AND, UM, ANNE AND AMY, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A, A TRIFECTA PROCESS, SO FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN AS NEEDED. 
          BUT, UM, I REALLY DELORE SLIDES THAT ARE JUST WORDS. 
          THESE ARE SLIDES THAT ARE JUST WORDS, SO MY APOLOGIES IN ADVANCE. 
          UM, BUT IT'S FEWER WORDS THAN THE, THE ACTUAL PAPER. 
          SO , IT'S A COMPROMISE. 
          AND I'LL ALSO NOT READ THE WORDS I WILL TRY TO SORT OF SKIMM OVER. 
          IT'S REALLY, I KNOW ALL THE COMMISSIONERS WILL HAVE READ THE CONTENTS AND OBVIOUSLY STAFF HAVE AS WELL. 
          AND, UH, PERHAPS MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC MAY HAVE OR MAY NOT HAVE AT LEAST YES, THEY SAY THEY HAVE. 
          SO THAT'S MARVELOUS. 
          AND THERE'S ERIC. 
          HI ERIC. 
          WELCOME . 
          YOUR TIMING'S PRETTY GOOD. 
          UM, SO THIS IS JUST REALLY SORT OF A QUICK ZOOM THROUGH TO KIND OF JUST REMIND US ALL WHAT THE CONTENT IS. 
          UM, AND THIS IS A RESULT OF, I GUESS THREE MEETINGS, THREE LENGTHY MEETINGS, AND QUITE A BIT OF WORK IN BETWEEN MEETINGS TO REALLY LOOK AT, UM, NOT ONLY THE INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS, UM, BUT ALSO COMMENTS FROM A NUMBER OF OTHER SOURCES THAT HAVE BEEN SHARED WITH US, UH, SUBMITTED TO THE CITY AND SHARED WITH US. 
          AND, UM, I'D SAY THEY'RE PROBABLY QUITE STRONGLY INFORMED IN PARTICULAR BY THOSE FROM CLIMATE ACTION PETALUMA. 
          SO WE DID OUR BEST TO BOIL EVERYTHING 
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DOWN, AND THAT MAY ACCOUNT FOR SOME AREAS THAT NEED CLARIFICATION BECAUSE WE'RE ALSO INTERPRETING SOME OF THE MATERIAL. 
          OKAY, SO THAT'S, UH, SLIDE ONE. 
          LET'S MOVE ON. 
          OH, AND TO JUST SAY THIS IS THE ORGANIZATION OF HOW WE PUT IT TOGETHER. 
          SO WE HAVE THESE SORT OF OVERALL THOUGHTS ABOUT THE CONTENT. 
          UM, AND THEN SOME COMMENTS ABOUT THE STRUCTURE OF THE DOCUMENT. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, WHICH IS WHERE WE STARTED REALLY, WAS WE WERE ASKED TO REALLY FOCUS ON CORNERSTONE ACTIONS. 
          SO FIRST, UM, OVERARCHING COMMENTS. 
          WE WERE ASKED TO PROPOSE A TITLE. 
          WE HAVE ONE PROPOSED TITLE, WE'RE INTERESTED IN SIMPLICITY AND STRAIGHTFORWARDNESS. 
          LESS IS MORE HERE. 
          UM, SECONDLY, WE FELT THERE WAS A NEED TO REINFORCE AT THE BEGINNING A NUMBER OF THE BASIC CONCEPTS THAT UNDERLIE THE DOCUMENT. 
          AND ALSO TO REMOVE ANY SORT OF AMBIGUITY OR NON-COMMITTAL LANGUAGE THAT SORT OF SAYS, YEAH, WELL WE SHOULD REALLY TRY THIS, BUT, UH, WE'RE NOT SURE WE'LL DO IT. 
          WE THINK WE NEED TO BE VERY EXPLICIT THAT WE WILL ACCOMPLISH THESE THINGS BECAUSE NO GOAL THAT IS APPROACHED HALFHEARTEDLY TENDS TO BE ACCOMPLISHED. 
          UM, WE ALSO FELT THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF MISSING CONTENT. 
          AND WHILE WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A, AN INTENTION TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE ELEMENTS, UH, AGAIN, IN OTHER PARTS OF THE GENERAL PLAN, WE FELT THAT UNTIL THAT CONTENT IS IN PLACE, THIS FEELS QUITE INCOMPLETE. 
          AND, UM, THERE'S ALSO A NEED FOR INTEGRATION OF THE CONTENT ACROSS SECTIONS, OR I THINK WE LIKE TO THINK OF IT MORE AS SUBS OF THE DOCUMENT THAT WE DON'T VIEW THE BLUEPRINT AS BEING COMPLETE UNTIL WE HAVE THESE PIECES. 
          WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          UM, WE ALSO THINK THAT WE NEED TO SEE THINGS MORE, UH, BOTH VISUALLY AND ALSO SPELLED OUT AS A TIME-BASED CRITICAL PATH ROADMAP THAT WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN FIRST. 
          AND AGAIN, THIS IS OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE ROLE OF THE CORNERSTONES, UM, BUT WE DIDN'T FIND THE ORGANIZATION, THE DOCUMENT TO REALLY FACILITATE SORT OF GRASPING THAT ROADMAP IN A TIME SEQUENCED WAY. 
          WE ALSO THINK THERE'S A NEED TO PRIORITIZE SOME OF THE LOW HANGING FRUIT, AS IT WERE, BUT, UM, LOW HANGING, PERHAPS COST-WISE, BUT HIGH IMPACT, UH, WE WANT THE DOCUMENT TO BE, AS YOU MENTIONED, PATRICK, QUITE A BIT MORE CONCISE, ACCESSIBLE, AND SCANNABLE. 
          WE WANNA SEE MORE GRAPHICS AND FEWER WORDS. 
          AND, UM, THE RATIONALE FOR THIS IS THAT THIS SHOULD NOT JUST BE A POLICY DOCUMENT FOR, UM, A, LET'S SAY, REFERENCE ON A SHELF. 
          IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE PICK UP AND LOOK AT FREQUENTLY. 
          AND THAT INCLUDES NOT JUST STAFF CLIMATE COMMISSIONERS, BUT MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AND MEMBERS, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. 
          WE THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT THIS BE DESIGNED WITH THE IDEA THAT EVERYONE WHO LIVES IN WORKS HERE IS THE AUDIENCE FOR THIS DOCUMENT. 
          AND WITH THAT IN MIND, WE WON'T PARTICULARLY FEEL THERE SHOULD BE VERY SHORT AND GRAPHICALLY RICH EXECUTIVE SUMMARY THAT SHOULD BE OUT THERE IN THE PUBLIC REALM. 
          UM, THE LAST POINT HERE IS THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF BOTH COUNTYWIDE INITIATIVES AND INITIATIVES HAPPENING IN THE LARGER PUBLIC REALM THAT, UH, WE CAN LEVERAGE TO OUR BENEFIT AND TO THE BENEFIT OF OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE MIGHT COLLABORATE WITH. 
          SO WE'D LIKE TO SEE A MORE, UM, EXPLICIT RECOGNITION OF THE VALUE OF THAT COLLABORATION. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          OKAY, SO STRUCTURAL RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          UH, WE FELT A NEED TO SEE THE INFORMATION PRESENTED IN A PARTICULAR ORDER THAT HAD TO DO WITH KIND OF HOW THE BUILDING BLOCKS NEED TO BE LAID. 
          SO AN INTRODUCTION THAT'S REALLY SHORT AND TO THE POINT THAT SORT OF SAYS, OKAY, HERE'S HOW BIG OUR PROBLEM IS AND HERE ARE THE MAIN COMPONENTS OF IT, AND THEN MOVES ON RAPIDLY TO ADDRESS THOSE COMPONENTS. 
          AND IN AS MUCH AS CONSUMPTION-BASED EMISSIONS OR INDIRECT EMISSIONS ARE THE LARGEST COMPONENT WE FELT THAT SHOULD COME FIRST BEFORE THE OTHERS. 
          UH, WE ALSO FELT THAT ADAPTATION ACTIONS ARE ALSO EXTREMELY SIGNIFICANT AS WELL AS BEING SYNERGISTIC WITH MANY OF THE MITIGATION ACTIONS. 
          AND THAT CONTENT SHOULD THEN FOLLOW. 
          AFTER THAT, WE'D LIKE TO SEE A REAL, UM, STATEMENT ABOUT HOW THE CITY AS AN ADMINISTRATIVE BODY IS GOING TO ACCOMPLISH ALL THIS. 
          AND SO SPELLING OUT THE STRATEGIES FOR STAFFING, FUNDING, ACCOUNTABILITY, ENGAGEMENT, EDUCATION PARTNERSHIPS MUCH EARLIER IN THE DOCUMENT, BECAUSE THIS IS THE HOW, AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA 
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BE VERY IMPORTANT TO THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND HOW THE CITY IS GOING TO TACKLE THIS VERY BIG CHALLENGE. 
          UM, AND THEN THE FURTHER ACTION PLANS. 
          AND WITHIN EACH ACTION PLAN, AGAIN, WE WANTED TO SEE A VISUAL TIMELINE. 
          UM, WHAT HAPPENS IN WHAT ORDER? AND, UM, WITH THE CORNERSTONE ACTIONS, OF COURSE, PRECEDING THOSE THAT FOLLOW, UM, WE FELT THAT THE WATER MEASURES, UH, FELL INTO TWO VERY DISTINCT BUCKETS, SO TO SPEAK. 
          UM, PIPED WATER AND THEN NATURAL SYSTEMS WATER, SO RAINWATER, STORM WATER, FLOOD WATERS, AND SO FORTH. 
          AND THAT THOSE BELONGED IN DIFFERENT CATEGORIES. 
          PIPED WATER BELONGS WITH BUILDINGS BECAUSE THAT'S MOSTLY WHERE IT HAPPENS. 
          AND NATURAL SYSTEMS WATER HAPPENS IN NATURAL SYSTEMS. SO THAT SEEMED MORE, UH, LOGICAL GROUPING TO US. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, WE FELT THAT A LOT OF THE, UM, NARRATIVE THAT'S CURRENTLY PROVIDED AS SORT OF THE OBLIGATORY BACKGROUND INFORMATION, MORE DETAILED INFORMATION, INFORMATION THAT APPEARS ELSEWHERE, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE CLIMATE EMERGENCY FRAMEWORK, COULD BE RELEGATED TO APPENDICES. 
          AGAIN, IN THE INTEREST OF HAVING THE HEART OF THE DOCUMENT BE PITHY AND REALLY ACTION ORIENTED AS OPPOSED TO BACKGROUND AND, AND MORE, UM, I GUESS PROTOCOL ORIENTED. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, WE CAN MOVE NEXT. 
          BEFORE I GO ON TO CORNERSTONE ACTIONS, DO YOU EITHER YOU GUYS HAVE ANY THINGS YOU WANNA PITCH IN ON HERE? I WAS JUST GONNA ADD THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY. 
          WE'D LIKE TO PROPOSE ALSO BE IN SPANISH. 
          THANKS ANN. 
          AMY, ANYTHING? OKAY. 
          SO CORNERSTONE ACTIONS THERE ARE 19, SO BEAR WITH . 
          UM, WE DON'T HAVE THEM GROUPED UNDER THESE HEADINGS WITHIN THE DOCUMENT WE SUBMITTED BECAUSE WE ARE MORE TRYING TO SORT OF MUSH THEM INTO ROUGHLY A PRIORITY ORDER, RECOGNIZING THAT, OF COURSE, THE ORDER THAT THINGS HAPPEN IN REALITY IS GOING TO BE KIND OF A FUNCTION OF HOW THEY GET PARCELED OUT AMONG CITY DEPARTMENTS AND HOW THEY ARE INTEGRATED WITH THE WORKLOAD OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS. 
          UM, BUT THAT EXPLAINS WHY YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THESE OUT OF NUMERIC ORDER BECAUSE IN, UM, PRESENTING THIS INFORMATION THIS EVENING, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO AGAIN DUMP THEM INTO SOME BUCKETS. 
          SO, UH, IN THE FIRST BUCKET, ADMINISTRATION AND PLANNING, WE'D LOVE TO SEE, UM, THE POSITION THAT RIHANNA'S VACATING ELEVATED TO A DIRECTOR LEVEL POSITION THAT HAS BROADER AUTHORITY, UM, AND, UH, PROBABLY A BIGGER BUDGET AND BIGGER STAFF , UM, BECAUSE WE SEE THIS AS BEING A REALLY PARAMOUNT PRIORITY FOR THE CITY. 
          SECONDLY, UH, WE FELT THAT IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE A STAKEHOLDER GROUP OF HIGH LEVEL PLAYERS TO PARTICIPATE IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF A BUDGET AND FINANCE PLAN. 
          WE'D LIKE TO SEE STAFF RETREAT GATHER AND THEMSELVES WORK ON, OKAY, WHAT'S THE HOW TO, HOW ARE WE ACTUALLY GOING TO MOBILIZE OURSELVES AS A BODY TO GET THIS STUFF DONE AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE RESOURCES TO DO IT PROPERLY. 
          UM, AS SOON AS THE BLUEPRINT IS FINALIZED, UH, WE FELT THAT, UM, WE NEED SOME NUMERIC THINGS TO HOLD OUR FEET TO THE FIRE, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE ESTABLISHING AN ANNUAL GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS BUDGET THAT ENCOMPASSES ALL OF THE ACTIVITIES THAT ARE EITHER RUN BY THE CITY OR CONTROLLED BY THE CITY. 
          UH, WE FELT THAT AN ACCOUNTABILITY SYSTEM, AGAIN, UH, LOOKING AT THOSE TIME-BASED GOALS NEEDS TO BE PUT IN PLACE. 
          AND, UM, THE ISSUE OF CARBON OFFSETS CAME UP AND IT WAS PROPOSED THAT WE DO ALLOW CARBON OFFSETS, DON'T ALLOW CARBON OFFSETS. 
          AND, UM, WE FELT THAT THE SORT OF APPROPRIATE LENS THROUGH WHICH TO LOOK AT THIS WAS THAT IF WE WERE GOING TO RELY ON ANYTHING OUTSIDE THE CITY'S BOUNDARIES FOR ADDRESSING OUR GREENHOUSE GAS GOALS, THAT THAT SHOULD ONLY BE DONE WITHIN THE RE BIO REGION AND SHOULD BE, UM, LOOKING AT HOW WE MANAGE THE LAND RESOURCES IN COLLABORATION WITH ALL OF THE OTHER REGIONAL ENTITIES TO SEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE IN SUCH A WAY THAT, UM, JUST TO USE COMMON PARLANCE, WE'RE NOT ROBBING PETER TO PAY PAUL BECAUSE OFFSETS CAN OFTEN DO THAT. 
          UM, NUMBER FIVE, LOOKING TO THE GENERAL PLAN TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, AS IT EMERGES WILL REF REFLECT BEST PLANNING PRACTICES, BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN A REAL OUTPOURING THE COMMUNITY OF SUPPORT FOR THE CONCEPT OF 15 MINUTE NEIGHBORHOODS AND ALL THAT THAT REPRESENTS IN TERMS OF CLIMATE, UM, GOALS, AND THAT ALL THE OTHER PLANNING AND ZONING DOCUMENTS, 
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YOU KNOW, LEGISLATIVE STUFF NEEDS TO BE UPDATED ACCORDINGLY. 
          NEXT. 
          OKAY, MOVING ON TO EDUCATION AND OUTREACH. 
          WE'D LOVE TO SEE A BRICK AND MORTAR CLIMATE RESOURCE CENTER THAT COVERS A WHOLE RANGE OF THINGS, NOT JUST ENERGY AND BUILDINGS AND SO FORTH, BUT WATER, WASTE, FOOD, THE WHOLE GAMUT OF THINGS THAT ALL HAVE AN IMPACT ON CLIMATE. 
          UM, AND THAT THAT BE A PLACE THAT ANYONE, UM, A RESIDENT, A BUSINESS OWNER, A CONTRACTOR WHO WORKS ELSEWHERE BUT ALSO WORKS IN PETALUMA, CAN COME FOR INFORMATION, ASK QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, DROP A NOTE AND ASK FOR FURTHER RESOUR RESEARCH OR RESOURCES ON THINGS TALL ASK, BUT WE THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. 
          UM, WE'D LIKE ALSO TO SEE A ROBUST AWARENESS PROGRAM THAT'S FOCUSED ON CONSUMPTION BASED EMISSIONS, YOU KNOW, RECOGNIZING THAT, UH, A LOT OF CONSUMPTION BASED EMISSIONS ARE NOT WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THE CITY TO CONTROL, BUT THAT THE CITY DOES HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO INFLUENCE AND TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ON THE IMPORTANCE OF CONSUMPTION BASED EMISSIONS AND WHAT THAT MEANS, WHAT ACTIONS ARE AVAILABLE TO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. 
          AND YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD OUR THOUGHTS ABOUT, UM, THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY. 
          SO THAT'S 19. 
          IT'S OUR CAPSTONE PIECE, IF YOU WILL. 
          MOVING ON TO TRANSPORTATION, THIS IS THE, THE FIRST OF SEVERAL ITEMS THAT HAS MANY SUB ACTIONS, WHICH I THOUGHT, WE'LL, WE'LL LEAVE ALL THE FINE PRINT TO THOSE OF YOU WHO I KNOW HAVE READ THIS. 
          BUT DEVELOPING, IMPLEMENTING A COMPLETE STREETS PLAN. 
          AND, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK THAT WE DID, I THINK WE FELT WAS PARTICULARLY PRODUCTIVE WAS THIS NESTING OF A NUMBER OF ACTIONS UNDER SOME OF THESE BIGGER CAPTIONS THAT A COMPLETE STREETS PLAN REALLY ENCOMPASSES MANY OTHER ACTIONS THAT WERE PROPOSED. 
          UM, PERHAPS MANY OF THEM IN THE BLUEPRINT AS IT IS NOW, BUT ALSO PROPOSED BY OTHERS, UM, IN THE PUBLIC AND ON THE COMMISSION. 
          UH, NUMBER NINE, WE'D LOVE TO SEE FREE BUS PASSES GO TO ALL LOW INCOME, UH, HOUSEHOLDS, WHICH ARE DESIGNATED THROUGH THE UTILITIES AS CARE AND FARA, UM, CUSTOMERS. 
          AND SIMILARLY, WE'D LIKE TO SEE A LOW COST EV CHARGING PROGRAM FOR RENTERS PUT IN PLACE AS RAPIDLY AS POSSIBLE, RECOGNIZING THAT THAT ACCESS IS PROBLEMATIC. 
          NEXT, OKAY, CLEAN ENERGY. 
          THESE ARE, WE, WE'VE GOT SINGLE ITEMS HERE ON THESE THREE CLEAN ENERGY. 
          WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE ALL PETALUMA UTILITY CUSTOMERS TRANSITION TO A HUNDRED PERCENT CLEAN ENERGY SOURCES. 
          UH, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO TELL YOU HOW TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. 
          UM, A FEW MAGIC WANDS MAY BE IN ORDER, UM, BUT WE, WE THINK THAT WOULD BE A VERY HIGH IMPACT, UH, ACTION SHOULD WE BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE IT AND HOPE THAT WE WILL, THAT THERE ARE SOME MAGICIANS OUT THERE. 
          UM, BUILDINGS WE'D LIKE TO SEE A PRETTY BROAD SCALE PROGRAM FOR BUILDINGS THAT LOOKS NOT JUST AT, UM, EFFICIENCY AND CLEAN ENERGY UPGRADES, BUT LOOKS AT THESE THINGS MUCH MORE HOLISTICALLY. 
          SO WE WANT ALL ELECTRIC, BUT WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE'S A NEED FOR SOME WEATHERIZATION. 
          THERE'S SOME REMEDIATION WORK THAT, UH, IS REQUIRED TO MAKE SOME LOW INCOME, UH, HOMES EVEN ELIGIBLE FOR WEATHERIZATION ASSISTANCE. 
          SO THERE'S A WHOLE GAMUT OF THINGS THAT REALLY SHOULD BE LOOKED AT VERY HOLISTICALLY RATHER THAN SINGLING OUT, YES, WE WANNA ELECTRIFY, OF COURSE WE ALL KNOW WE WANNA ELECTRIFY, BUT IF WE DO THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, WITHOUT ADDRESSING SOME OF THESE OTHER ISSUES, WE CAN BE, UH, REALLY BAKING IN THE NEED, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR, UH, HIGHER CAPACITY HEATING, VENTILATING AND AIR CONDITIONING COMMIT, UH, EQUIPMENT THAN OTHERWISE WOULD BE NEEDED. 
          AND OF COURSE, THAT ALL HAS RESOURCE, UM, DEMANDS AND EMISSIONS IMPLICATIONS WITHIN NATURAL SYSTEMS. I THINK THIS WAS ACTUALLY MAYBE OUR LONGEST LIST OF, UM, SUB ACTIONS FELL UNDERNEATH THIS ONE, WHICH WAS TO ESTABLISH THIS DEPARTMENT WITHIN PUBLIC WORKS. 
          UH, I THINK REALLY THIS FOCUSES AROUND THE RECOGNITION THAT PUBLIC WORKS HAS HISTORICALLY HAD MORE OF, UM, SORT OF A MECHANIZED A VIEW OF STORMWATER, FOR EXAMPLE, AND PARK SYSTEMS AND VIEWED THEM AS SORT OF PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO PUT PLAY STRUCTURES AND CONCRETE AND SO FORTH. 
          AND THAT WE REALLY VIEW THIS AS IMPORTANT AS IN VIEWING A MUCH MORE, UM, HOLISTIC, HUMAN CENTRIC AND NATURE CENTRIC VIEW OF THE ROLE OF PUBLIC WORKS AND MANAGING, UH, WILD SPACES 
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AND MORE MANICURED SPACES AND RECREATIONAL SPACES, BUT ALL WITH AN I TWO ECOLOGICAL FUNCTION. 
          AND ANN, YOU MAY BE ABLE TO ADD SOME MORE COLOR TO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          , THANKS. 
          UH, NEXT SLIDE. 
          OKAY. 
          CITY LEADERSHIP. 
          I COULD HAVE BUMPED THIS UP TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE STUFF, BUT THESE FELL LOWER IN OUR LIST AND SEEMED TO BE KIND OF A, A CHUNK ALL AMONG THEMSELVES. 
          UH, WE THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT THE CITY REALLY, UH, DEMONSTRATE A LEADERSHIP POSITION IN ORDER TO DEMONSTRATE VIABILITY TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR, PARTICULARLY IN SOME OF THE BUILDING AND TRANSPORTATION ACTIONS. 
          UM, WE ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE CITY REALLY TOOT THEIR HORN, REALLY MAKE IT OBVIOUS TO THE PUBLIC WHAT THEY'RE DOING, UH, HOW, HOW MUCH IS BEING ACCOMPLISHED OVER WHAT PERIOD OF TIME. 
          AND JUST HAVE THAT INFORMATION FRONT AND CENTER FOR AS MANY PEOPLE AND BUSINESS AS POSSIBLE WITH THE GREATEST FREQUENCY POSSIBLE. 
          BECAUSE AWARENESS IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES WE ALL FACE. 
          UM, 15, ESTABLISHING A LEGAL AND CODE TASK FORCE, UH, WE HAD A NUMBER OF, UH, FOLKS POINT OUT TO US THAT THERE ARE QUITE A FEW EXISTING STANDARDS OR PENDING STANDARDS ACROSS A WIDE RANGE OF ISSUES THAT WERE WE TO ADOPT OR ADOPT EVEN AHEAD OF STATE TIMELINES, FOR EXAMPLE, WE COULD REALLY MAKE SOME HEADWAY BECAUSE A LOT OF THAT, UH, POLICY LANGUAGE IS OUT THERE IN THE PUBLIC REALM AND WE'D LIKE TO BE LEADERS IN ADOPTING IT. 
          AND THEN, UH, WE ALSO FOUND IT'D BE A GREAT ROLE FOR THE CITY, UH, WHETHER DIRECTLY AS THE CITY PER SE, OR THROUGH A, UH, SOME SORT OF A PARTNERSHIP TO DEVELOP A COMMUNITY-WIDE PUBLIC OR CARBON GARDENING PROGRAM BECAUSE THERE ARE MANY, MANY BENEFITS THAT GO ALONG WITH THIS. 
          IT'S HIGHLY VISIBLE AND CAN BE VERY EFFECTIVE IN, UM, GETTING COALESCING FOLKS IN NEIGHBORHOODS AND SCHOOL COMMUNITIES AROUND THE IDEA, THE ROLE OF CARBON SEQUESTRATION AND THE BENEFITS THAT GO ALONG WITH IT NEXT. 
          AND I BELIEVE LAST SLIDE, UM, WATER, UH, WE SPOKE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WATER EARLIER ABOUT THE DESIRABILITY OF KIND OF PARCELING THAT OUT IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS, BUT ONE ACTION WE PARTICULARLY FELT WAS IMPORTANT WAS TO CREATE SOME INCENTIVES THAT WOULD, UM, PROVIDE A MOTIVATION FOR REDUCTION OF IRRIGATION WATER USE AND ALSO PRIORITIZING THE USE OF, UH, OTHER ONSITE WATER RESOURCES PRIOR TO POTABLE WATER WHENEVER POSSIBLE. 
          AND THEN FINALLY WE HAVE ANOTHER MULTI LIST, OUR ADOPT AND UPDATE WASTE AND POLLUTION ORDINANCES. 
          AND THIS HAS A LOT OF DIFFERENT DIMENSIONS TO IT, SO I WON'T GO INTO IT, BUT THERE'S A SHORT LAUNDRY LIST, UM, REPRESENTING A MUCH LONGER ONE IN THE DOCUMENT. 
          AND I'LL NOW, I'LL TAKE A DEEP BREATH AND , SEE IF MY COMRADES HERE HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD. 
          WAS THERE ONE MORE? UH, OKAY. 
          19 WAS UP THERE WITH, UH, THE EARLIER ONES. 
          YES. 
          , I SEE YOU WERE CHECKING TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S PAYING ATTENTION. 
          . 
          I I MEAN, I COULD JUST SAY I'M, I'M GLAD THAT, UH, ERIC AND HEATHER ARE HERE TODAY. 
          I MEAN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE MADE AN EFFORT TO, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF STAY IN THE SAME LANGUAGE OF CORNERSTONES AND, YOU KNOW, ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THERE ARE A SUITE OF DOCUMENTS COMING WITH A GENERAL PLAN. 
          YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE MORE AD ADAPTATION ORIENTED OR LAND USE ORIENTED, WE STILL WANT THEM LISTED AS CORNERSTONE ACTIONS SO THAT EVEN IF THEY LIVE IN THE, IN THE, UM, GENERAL PLAN IN MORE DETAIL. 
          'CAUSE I THINK PEOPLE NEED TO SEE, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S A CLIMATE EMERGENCY, WHAT WE'RE SAYING NEEDS TO HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, IN THE SHORT TERM. 
          AND SO IF WE KIND OF JUST DON'T SAY A BUNCH OF THOSE THINGS IN THIS DOCUMENT, IT'S VERY INCOMPLETE. 
          AND THEN YOU MISS A LOT OF THE CO-BENEFITS THAT ARRIVE IN LIKE THE COMPLETE STREETS PLANNING OR THE NATURAL SYSTEMS PLANNING WHERE YOU'RE, YOU'RE GETTING ALL THESE ADAPTATION BENEFITS, BUT YOU'RE ALSO IMPROVING YOUR USABILITY OF THE STREET SYSTEM. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, YOU REDUCING POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, HARD PIPE STORM STORMWATER COSTS AND ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO WALK MORE. 
          SO THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST THIS INEVITABLE, UM, INTERRELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THESE ELEMENTS. 
          UM, AND IT'S HARD FOR PEOPLE TO APPRECIATE WHY THEY SHOULD SPEND MONEY, YOU KNOW, WHY WE SHOULD SPEND MONEY AS A COMMUNITY TO DO THESE THINGS WHEN THEY'RE NOT SEEING ALL THE BENEFITS. 
          YOU KNOW, I THINK, SO I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY WE WANTED THE REORGANIZE THE DOCUMENT WAS TO PUSH FORWARD, 
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YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE SOLUTIONS AND THE BENEFITS SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THE AVERAGE PERSON MAYBE READS THE FIRST 20 PAGES. 
          YOU KNOW, WE WANT THE MOST IMPORTANT STUFF TO BE THERE. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF, UH, A LOT OF THE SETTING THE STAGE STUFF MAYBE DOESN'T REALLY NEED TO HAPPEN IN THIS DOCUMENT QUITE AS MUCH AS IT IS, YOU KNOW, UM, NOT, NOT THAT IT'S NOT GOOD MATERIAL, IT'S JUST THAT AS A, AS A BLUEPRINT THAT WE THINK IT SHOULD CUT TO THE CHASE FASTER AND BE MORE, MORE OF A WORKING DOCUMENT THAN A PLANNING DOCUMENT ABOUT THAT OR A CLARIFICATION. 
          UM, THIS IS APPROPRIATE CHAIR. 
          UM, SO THE THING WITH THE ADAPTATION WHILE I, I GET WHERE, WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM WITH THAT, SO I'M TRYING TO THINK OF WAYS TO DO THAT, IS THE BLUEPRINT IS OUT AHEAD OF THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          AND WE DID THAT BECAUSE WE'VE GOT 2030. 
          AND SO WHEN THE GENERAL PLAN AND WHEN THE SEA LEVEL RISE AND THE FLOODING MODELING AND STUFF TOOK AS LONG AS IT DID, UM, WE WANTED TO GET THE BLUEPRINT KIND OF OUT IN FRONT. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHY THEY PEELED APART. 
          SO I, I'M HESITANT TO WAIT ON THE BLUEPRINT UNTIL WE'RE DONE WITH THE ADAPTATION IN THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          AT THE SAME TIME, WE COULD HAVE LIKE A PLACEHOLDER AND ONCE THAT'S THERE WE COULD UPDATE AND SLIDE IN THOSE, YOU KNOW, THOSE, THOSE ACTIONS, THOSE ADAPTATION ASPECTS THAT ARE ADOPTED WITH THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          WE COULD SLIDE THEM INTO A, LIKE PLACEHOLDER AT THE SAME TIME. 
          I, I KEEP COMING BACK TO THE 50 PAGES AND LIKE WE'RE ADDING MORE, NOT LESS, BUT, UM, SO THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WAY I CAN IMAGINE DOING IT AS A, AS A LATER ADD-ON ONCE WE HAVE THAT DONE WITH THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          YEAH, I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          TELL ME WHAT YOU GUYS THINK. 
          BUT I THINK THAT THE, THE STATEMENT OF, OF THE, THE ISSUES WITH ADAPTATION, YOU KNOW, WE ALREADY KNOW WHICH ARE GONNA BE, WE THINK ANYWAY, THE MOST SIGNIFICANT, UH, IMPACTS HERE. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, MAKING SOME STATEMENT OF THOSE AND GENERAL APPROACHES AND WHERE PEOPLE WOULD FIND, FIND THOSE SOLUTIONS IN THE GENERAL PLAN AND THEN, YEAH, I THINK IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO COME BACK. 
          BUT I IF YOU'RE SAYING IT'S A, YOU KNOW, A PLAN FOR CLIMATE ACTION DOES NEED TO INCLUDE, RIGHT? AND THAT'S ORIGINALLY IT WAS A CLIMATE ACTION AND ADAPTATION PLAN, AND THEN WHEN WE KIND OF, WE GOT THE TIMELINES AND WE WERE TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD THE GREENHOUSE GAS ASPECTS OF IT AHEAD BECAUSE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE PRESSURE OF 2030 AND TRYING TO GET OUT AHEAD SOME OF THAT AND KNOWING THAT THE, THE MODELING THAT WE NEEDED TO DO TO ADEQUATELY DO THE ADAPTATION WAS SLIGHTLY BEHIND, BUT POINT TAKEN. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I THINK THE PIECE THAT KIND OF GOT LOST A LITTLE BIT MAYBE IN TRANSLATION WAS WHEN WE DID THE FRAMEWORK, WE TALKED ABOUT ADAPTATION AND SOCIAL RESILIENCE. 
          AND SO REALLY IN THIS EFFORT, WE'RE TRYING TO PULL THE SOCIAL RESILIENCE BACK INTO THIS DOCUMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S, I MEAN, THEY'RE IN TANGO, YOU KNOW? UM, AND SO IT NEEDS TO BE, I THINK, MORE EXPLICIT, YOU KNOW, THAT THESE ARE IMPACTING CERTAIN COMMUNITY MEMBERS OVER AND OVER AGAIN. 
          AND THEREFORE HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE ADDRESS THAT? YOU KNOW? 'CAUSE THAT'S, THOSE ARE THE IMPACTS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID AND OR SOFTEN, YOU KNOW. 
          YEAH. 
          I I THINK THE OTHER PIECE IS, UM, AS I MENTIONED, A LOT OF THE BUILDING MEASURES ACTUALLY ARE ADAPTATION MEASURES. 
          ADAPTATION. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, RECOGNIZING, YOU KNOW, I MEAN WE'RE ALL VERY WELL AWARE THAT THE ADAPTATION PIECE IS OUT THERE BEHIND. 
          AND, UH, THE CONCERN WOULD BE THAT WHEN IT CATCHES UP THAT WE WEAVE IT BACK IN AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING THOSE MEASURES AGAIN HOLISTICALLY. 
          MM-HMM. 
           AND NOT SAYING IN ONE PLACE, UM, DO THESE THINGS TO, FOR EXAMPLE, IMPROVE WEATHERIZATION AND MEANWHILE SOME ELECTRIFICATION IS GOING ON AND THEN THEY DON'T LINE UP. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT WOULD BE VERY COSTLY IN MONEY AND DELAYS AND SO FORTH. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF LIKE, MAKE SURE WE WERE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE WITH THE TIMING OF THE ADAPTATION AND THE, AND THE . 
          CAN, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE, MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT'S, UH, GOING TO BE INCLUDED IN THE EMERGENCY ELEMENT OF THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          IS THAT ACCURATE OR? UM, WE ARE WORKING ON AN ADAPTATION FRAMEWORK. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S, WE HAVEN'T NECESSARILY, LIKE EVERY SINGLE ELEMENT ISN'T 
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HAMMERED OUT LIKE WE'RE DOING THESE ELEMENTS. 
          BUT WHAT WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING RIGHT NOW IS WE'RE DEVELOPING THE FRAMEWORKS, UM, THAT ARE THE POLICY BEHIND THE DIFFERENT TOPICS. 
          WE'RE ALSO SIMULTANEOUSLY STARTING TO WORK ON THE LAND USE ALTERNATIVES. 
          AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, KIND OF TO PATRICK'S POINT, ALL OF THESE THINGS COME TOGETHER TO CREATE THE COMPLETE PICTURE. 
          SO IT'S HARD TO LOOK AT THE LAND USE MAPS WITHOUT THE POLICY. 
          IT'S HARD TO LOOK AT THE POLICIES WITHOUT THE LAND USE, YOU KNOW, SO THEY ALL WILL COME TOGETHER AS, AS A COMPLETE PICTURE. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN SPEAK TO WHICH ELEMENT IT'S GONNA BE IN, BUT IT'S, WE HAVE A, UM, ADAPTATION FRAMEWORK, POLICY FRAMEWORK THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY REVIEWING, UM, NOW THAT WE HAVE THE FLOOD AND SLR MODELING, UM, YEAH. 
          AND LIKE SOME OF THE, LIKE THE GRAPHIC IN, IN THE BLUEPRINT DOCUMENT THAT SHOWS, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN YOU SEE, UH, EX WHEN WE EXPECT TO SEE EXTREME HEAT REALLY HIT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS LIKE 2060 OR SOMETHING. 
          AND THOSE KIND OF GRAPHICS WHEN THEY GO INTO THE ADAPTATION FRAMEWORK, I THINK MAYBE MAKE A LITTLE MORE SENSE 'CAUSE YOU'RE RESPONDING TO THOSE, YOU'RE TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF THOSE IMPACTS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , YOU KNOW, SO YOU HAVE A LITTLE MORE ROOM IN THAT DOCUMENT TO, TO SHOW THOSE TIMELINES ON THE DIFFERENT IMPACTS AND THEN, YOU KNOW, BACK UP AND SHOW OKAY, HOW WE'RE PREPARING FOR THOSE WITH THESE MEASURES. 
          UM, I'LL JUST SAY SPEAKING FOR MYSELF ON THE ADAPTATION TOPIC SPECIFICALLY, YOU KNOW, I DO HAVE AN APPRECIATION THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS DOCUMENT IS SHOULD BE OR IS GOING TO BE COMPLETED FIRST, AND THAT, THAT IS A SEPARATE ASPECT OF IT. 
          SO FROM MY PERSONAL PERSPECTIVE, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT MAY BE A DIFFERENT, UH, ACTIVITY, BUT THE THING I WANNA STRESS IS THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS BODY ENGAGING IN THAT WORK. 
          AND SO THAT'S TO ME, MORE IMPORTANT THAN THIS BODY ENGAGING IN THAT WORK IN THE BLUEPRINT ITSELF. 
          AND SO I, THAT'S SOMEWHAT OF A DISTINCTION AND SOMEWHAT OF AN OPPOSING VIEW THAN THE AD HOC. 
          UM, BUT CERTAINLY I WANT TO, YOU KNOW, STATE THAT PREFERENCES, I WOULD RATHER HAVE A CLEAN AND CLEAR ADAPTATION SECTION THAT THIS GROUP WORKS ON IN SOME WAY ALONG WITH WHATEVER THE GROUP OR AD HOC OF THE GENERAL PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS. 
          AND IF WE WERE TO HA, IF I WERE TO CRAFT SOMEWHAT OF A CORNERSTONE ACTION AROUND ADAPTATION, IT WOULD BE SPREADING AND PROMULGATING KNOWLEDGE OF THE REGIONAL WORK ON THE TOPIC. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN ENTIRE INDUSTRY DEDICATED TO THIS, THE REGIONAL ADAPTATION FORUM, WHAT THE SAN FRANCISCO BAY CONSERVATION AGENCY IS DOING, THE NORTHERN CALIFORNIA REGIONAL ADAPTATION FORUM, THE STATEWIDE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WORKING ON THIS TOPIC. 
          AND TO THINK WE CAN DISTILL IT INTO A CHAPTER IS AMBITIOUS, YOU KNOW. 
          BUT I DO THINK WHAT WE CAN DO IS HIGHLIGHT THE WORK OF THOSE GROUPS. 
          YOU KNOW, THIS IS PETALUMA'S ROLE WITHIN THE BAY AREA REGIONAL ADAPTATION GROUP, RIGHT? AND SO GETTING PEOPLE TO THE RIGHT INFORMATION IS IMPORTANT TO ME. 
          WHAT WE CAN DO IN THIS DOCUMENT, YOU KNOW, AND THERE I HAVE A COUPLE RELATED COMMENTS THROUGHOUT SOME OF THESE CORNERSTONE ACTIONS. 
          UM, BUT I DID JUST WANNA MAKE THAT COMMENT SPECIFIC TO ADAPTATION. 
          IT IS A SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT VIEW. 
          UM, AND I GUESS ANY OTHER COMMENTARY ON THE ADAPTATION TOPIC SPECIFICALLY? UH, YEAH, I, I I LARGELY ECHO, UH, YOUR SENTIMENTS THERE. 
          UM, I THINK THAT PART OF WHAT, UH, COMMISSIONER STER RAISED IS REALLY CRITICAL, WHICH IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE THINGS GO HAND IN HAND, RIGHT? SO IF YOU, IF YOU WEATHERIZE, IF YOU'RE INSULATING, YOU ARE ADAPTING. 
          AND WE KNOW THAT, AND THAT'S OKAY. 
          I THINK WE CAN SAY THAT IN SOMEWHERE IN THE DOCUMENT. 
          BUT I DO AGREE THAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS DOCUMENT IS REALLY FOCUSED ON REDUCING OUR GREENHOUSE GASES. 
          WE HAVE A, A A A PROCESS THAT'S GOING, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S IN PLAY. 
          I THINK IT'S OKAY TO TO MENTION AS PART OF OUR CORNERSTONE ACTIONS THAT, THAT, THAT ADAPTATION PLAN BE DEVELOPED. 
          BUT GETTING ANY, ANY DEEPER INTO IT WITHOUT HAVING THE ACTUAL, UM, ASSESSMENTS DONE, I THINK TO ME, YOU KNOW, MIGHT BE A BIT PREMATURE. 
          BUT I, I TELL, I I TAKE THE, EITHER WAY I, YOU KNOW, I CAN DEFINITELY SEE THAT SIDE OF IT, SO, APPRECIATE IT. 
          COUNCILMAN SCHIBS, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THE TOPIC? UM, JUST ON, UM, ADAPTATION, UM, JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT ONE. 
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UH, I WOULD AGREE WITH WHAT, WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF ADAPTATION. 
          ON MY OPTIMISTIC DAYS, I'M THINKING, OH, WE'RE GONNA HELP LEAD THE WORLD AND, AND EVERYONE'S GONNA REDUCE THEIR CARBON EMISSIONS AND, AND WE'RE GONNA BE AT A BETTER PLACE. 
          UM, AND THAT, THAT'S REALLY GREAT FOR THIS DOCUMENT. 
          WE'RE ALL GONNA REDUCE OUR EMISSIONS ON MY PESSIMISTIC DAYS. 
          I'M GOING, IS IT GONNA MAKE THAT BIG OF AN IMPACT? AND OH, WE BETTER GET READY, IT'S GONNA GET WORSE AND WORSE. 
          THE MODELS ARE, ARE NOT, UH, YELLING LOUD ENOUGH ABOUT WHAT'S COULD HAPPEN. 
          SO ON MY PESSIMISTIC DAYS, I'D SAY ADAPTATION IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN US, ACTUALLY ALL OUR ACTIONS. 
          'CAUSE ALL OUR ACTIONS WOULD BE, UM, OVERWHELMED BY TRYING TO ADAPT, UH, TO WHAT'S COMING. 
          SO WE NEED TO DO BOTH. 
          BUT ARE THEY SEPARATE? NOT IN MANY WAYS, YES. 
          BUT IN MANY WAYS, NO. 
          SO, UM, THIS IS WHERE THEY HAVE TO BE KIND OF WEAVED TOGETHER AS WELL. 
          BUT A SEPARATE CHAPTER ON THIS, YOU JUST SAID REGIONAL, I TOTALLY AGREE. 
          THE REGIONAL LEVELS OF ACTIONS NEED TO BE STATED. 
          UM, BUT THERE'S APPLICATION THAT WE CAN DO HERE LOCALLY, ALSO IN CONJUNCTION WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING REGIONALLY. 
          SO IF WE CAN DO THAT ADAPTATION, UM, HAVE THAT MAYBE A PLACEHOLDER RIGHT NOW IN THIS DOCUMENT, BUT MAKE SURE THAT'S IN THE GENERAL PLAN AND, UM, UH, AND THEN INCLUDE IT IN, IN THIS TYPE OF DOCUMENT, THAT'S ONE OF OUR ACTIONS. 
          HOW DO WE CONTRIBUTE TO THE REGIONAL EFFORTS FOR THE LARGER, UM, EFFORTS WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WATER AND TEMPERATURE, UH, CHANGES THAT ARE COMING. 
          SO ANYWAY, I JUST THOUGHT, I THOUGHT I'D SUPPORT YOU ON, ON THAT AND IS WHERE WE NEED TO GO. 
          SO IT NEEDS TO BE INCLUSIVE, EVEN THOUGH THIS DOCUMENT WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE IT IS ALL MOSTLY ABOUT EMISSION CONTROL. 
          YEAH, I, I I'M HEARING SOMEWHAT OF A CONSENSUS ON THE CONCEPT OF A PLACEHOLDER FOR ADAPTATION. 
          I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER SHRI MAKES A GOOD POINT THAT SOMEWHAT THE DOCUMENT IS MISSING. 
          UM, SOMEWHAT OF THE PUBLIC FEEDBACK WE'VE HEARD IS THAT THE, AND THE CONCEPT OF MITIGATION IS A WASTE OF TIME. 
          AND WE NEED TO FOCUS ALL OF OUR RESOURCES ON ADAPTATION. 
          AND THAT, I THINK IS A, A, A LARGE MINORITY VIEWPOINT IN THE PUBLIC IN THAT WHEN YOU SEE THE WORK WE'VE DONE ON MCDOWELL AND PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE LITTLE TINY GREEN THINGS THAT THEY'RE GONNA CRASH INTO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, WE NEED TO SPEAK TO, UM, ADDRESS THE, THE PO POSITIONS THAT SOME DETRACTORS MIGHT HAVE. 
          AND SO THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT ELEMENT THAT'S MISSING IS, YOU KNOW, IF WE AREN'T SPEAKING AND HAVING AN ADAPTATION PLAN, WE NEED TO AT LEAST RECOGNIZE THAT SOME PEOPLE THINK ADAPTATION SHOULD BE OUR FIRST AND ONLY PRIORITY. 
          AND HOW DO WE ADDRESS THAT, UM, IN A, YOU KNOW, IMPORTANT WAY AND, AND SOMEWHAT, UH, NEUTRALIZE SOME OPPOSITION TO THE IMPORTANT WORK OF THE BLUEPRINT. 
          UM, I GUESS HEATHER AND ERIC, DID YOU HAVE OTHER, DID YOU HAVE ONE OTHER DIALOGUE IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE OTHER SECTIONS? WOULD YOU LIKE US TO HAVE A DIALOGUE FIRST?  YEAH, I'M, YOU KNOW, DO WE WANNA TAKE IT SOMEWHAT BY THE SLIDE SECTIONS OR DO YOU WANT TO, I THINK THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE. 
          HI, AND GOOD EVENING. 
          HEY EVERYONE, NICE TO SEE YOU ALL THIS EVENING. 
          UM, THANKS FOR HAVING ME, UH, THIS EVENING. 
          UM, WE HAVE LOTS TO, WE CAN GO THROUGH WITH YOU THROUGH SECTIONS, BY SECTIONS, UH, TO JUST GET SOME CLARIFICATIONS AND KIND OF DISCUSS SOME OF THE POINTS THAT YOU ALL MADE. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL WANNA DISCUSS THINGS FIRST, BE ON THE DAIS AND THEN WE HAVE A DISCUSSION OR WE JUST KIND OF GO THROUGH. 
          BUT I THINK TO YOUR POINT, IT MIGHT JUST MAKE SENSE TO KIND OF JUST WALK THROUGH THE SLIDES KIND OF IN THE ORDER THAT YOU LAID THEM OUT. 
          IT MAKES SENSE TO ME. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          LET'S DO IT. 
          UM, MM-HMM. 
           US THEM RATHER THAN, YEAH. 
          NO, I THINK IT'S, I THINK THEY'RE GONNA BE STANDING HERE FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHAT OF A, OF A WHILE. 
          . 
          I HOPE YOU HAVE COMFORTABLE SHOES. 
          . 
          I JUST MEANT THAT WE SHOULDN'T LIKE, HAVE GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH WITH OUR COMMENTS AND THEN HAVE THEM GO THROUGH THIS. 
          NO, NO, NO. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN PUBLIC COMMENT TOO, JUST, YEAH. 
          UM, I THINK NOW IS A GOOD TIME FOR A PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THE FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT I HAVE IS FOR ANDY SCHRADER. 
          HEY, EVERYBODY. 
          UM, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT THE DOCUMENT, UH, WAS, WAS, UH, LIKE ASTONISHINGLY WELL DONE AND SO MUCH WORK. 
          YEAH. 
          AS, AS, UH, AS HE MENTIONED, YOU KNOW WHAT, I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO WRITE A SHORT LETTER THAT YOU GUYS TOOK A LOT OF TIME TO WRITE A SHORT LETTER. 
          SO, UH, SO IT WAS WELL DONE. 
          UM, I JUST WANNA TALK 
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ABOUT, UM, ADAPTATION VERSUS MITIGATION QUICKLY. 
          I THINK ONE OF THE, THE MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT ADAPTATION IS THAT IT'S GONNA GET A CERTAIN AMOUNT HOTTER AND THEN STOP, AND THEN WE'RE JUST GONNA DEAL WITH IT. 
          THE PROBLEM IS GENERALLY GLOBALLY, AS LONG AS WE CONTINUE TO EMIT GREENHOUSE GASES, IT'S GONNA KEEP GETTING HOTTER AND HOTTER AND HOTTER. 
          SO IT'S A, IT IS KIND OF A FALSE SOLUTION TO REALLY F FOCUS ON ADAPTATION. 
          UM, IT'S IMPORTANT, BUT I THINK AT THIS POINT IN HISTORY, WE NEED TO, UH, DEVOTE THE MAJORITY OF OUR RESOURCES AND ENERGIES TOWARDS MITIGATION. 
          THAT'S ALL. 
          SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          SHOULD WE, SHOULD WE GO BY THE SLIDES, I SUPPOSE? OH, OKAY. 
          THE NEXT SPEAKER IS DEB FOX. 
          UM, YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT TO ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE, UM, HOW GREAT I FOUND THIS DOCUMENT IN SUMMARIZING, UH, SO MUCH OF WHAT, WHAT WE HEARD. 
          UM, AS I MENTIONED IN OUR LAST MEETING, UH, I RAN A BUNCH OF REVIEWER SESSIONS AND SO MUCH OF THIS HIGHLIGHTED WHAT WE HEARD FROM EXPERTS IN OUR COMMUNITY AND REALLY EMPHASIZING THAT THESE CORNERSTONE ACTIONS REALLY RISE UP THE MEASURES THAT ARE ESSENTIAL FOR US TO REACH OUR GOALS. 
          AND WE HEARD, I HEARD THAT IN ALMOST EVERY, UM, SESSION THAT I SAT IN. 
          AND, UM, THOSE ARE THE 365 DOCUMENTS THAT WERE FORWARDED TO RIHANNA THAT REITERATE A LOT OF WHAT IS LISTED HERE. 
          UM, AND SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE BETWEEN THAT AND WHAT WAS SUBMITTED FROM THE CLIMATE ACTION PETALUMA, UM, THAT ALL OF THAT GOES, IT'S LIKE THE, THERE'S A LOT OF FEEDBACK THAT CONFIRMS WHAT HAS BEEN SO ELOQUENTLY, UH, OUTLINED HERE AS THE MEASURES THAT WE REALLY NEED TO BE FOCUSING ON. 
          UM, AND SO JUST THAT, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THOSE THINGS ARE ALL HEARD AND CONTRIBUTING, UH, TO REALLY MAKING THIS DOCUMENT BE THE DOCUMENT THAT WE NEED TO HAVE OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGED AND DOING THE ACTIONS THAT ARE NEEDED TO GET US, UH, TO OUR, UH, FUTURE THAT IS SUSTAINABLE FOR US ALL. 
          SO, THANK YOU. 
          UM, PATRICK, I WAS JUST THINKING IF WE MIGHT WANNA PUT UP THE ACTUAL CORNERSTONE ACTIONS AS OPPOSED TO THE SLIDESHOW AND WALK THROUGH THEM JUST 'CAUSE THEY'RE MORE DETAILED. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? DO YOU WANNA START? YEAH. 
          UH, BEAR WITH ME FOR A SECOND WHILE I PULL THAT UP, OR UNLESS YOU WANNA TO START ON THE OVERARCHING, WHERE DID YOU GUYS WANNA START? YOU CAN START ON THE CORNER OF ACTION. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, BEFORE WE DO THAT, THE PROPOSED NAME CHANGE? I, I LIKE IT. 
          DOES ANYONE WOULD. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          WE GOT HOURS, QUICK , WE GET GO HOME. 
          NOW , WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR THE CORNERSTONE ACTIONS TO BE POPPED UP, I JUST WANNA ALSO THANK MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY WHO MIGHT BE LISTENING AT HOME. 
          AND HERE WE GOT A TON OF REALLY GREAT COMMENTS. 
          AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, UM, AND WE'VE STARTED TO DO IS TO PUT THEM ALL INTO ONE LARGE, UM, TABLE. 
          AND WE'RE KIND OF ORGANIZING THEM AND SUMMARIZING THEM BY SECTIONS OF THE PLAN THAT THEY RELATE TO. 
          AND THEN WE'RE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, WITH CITY STAFF ABOUT CHANGES WE'LL MAKE THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO THE PLAN. 
          SOME OF THOSE ARE TINY LITTLE LINE EDITS. 
          SOME OF THOSE ARE WHOLE NEW PROGRAMS THAT AREN'T INCORPORATED IN. 
          SOME OF THOSE ARE ABOUT TIMELINES AND PROCESS. 
          SO THOSE THINGS WILL BE COMING AS WELL AS PART OF THIS PROCESS. 
          SO ALL THOSE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED, UM, FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS WILL ALSO BE REFLECTED, UM, IN THE REVISED DRAFT OF THE PLAN ITSELF SELF. 
          UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK MAYBE JUST TO START ON THE QUESTION OF THE CORNERSTONE ACTIONS, UM, WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE HAD JUST KIND OF INITIALLY IS, ARE THESE INTENDED TO BE, IN ADDITION TO THE CORNERSTONE ACTIONS THAT ARE WITHIN THE PLAN, ARE THEY INTENDED TO REPLACE THOSE ACTIONS WITHIN THE PLAN? UM, THERE ARE SOME ACTIONS THAT ARE, UM, CONSISTENT WITH THE CORNERSTONE ACTIONS THAT WERE PRESENTED IN THE BLUEPRINT. 
          THEY'RE ALMOST ONE TO ONE. 
          THEY MAYBE USED DIFFERENT WORDS, BUT THEY SAY THE SAME THINGS. 
          MANY OF THEM ARE 
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JUST POOLED FROM DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE PLAN THAT MAYBE HAVE A DIFFERENT TIMELINE OVERALL. 
          BUT WE JUST WANTED TO HEAR A LITTLE BIT FROM YOU ALL ABOUT YOUR PROCESS IN THE SELECTION OF THE CORNERSTONE ACTIONS AND HOW YOU SEE THEM INTERACTING WITH THOSE THAT WERE INITIALLY INCORPORATED INTO THE BLUEPRINT. 
          WE DID PROPOSE THEM AS, UM, REPLACING, AND AS YOU SAY, THERE, THERE ARE CERTAINLY SOME THERE THAT, THAT MIRROR THE ONES THAT ARE ALREADY THERE. 
          BUT WHEN WE SCANNED THEM, ALL THESE WERE THE ONES THAT WE FELT WERE ACTUALLY FOUNDATIONAL, RIGHT? IN OTHER WORDS, THEY NEED TO HAPPEN TO ENABLE SUBSEQUENT ACTIONS TO HAPPEN. 
          THIS IS NOT TO SAY THAT THERE IS NOT FURTHER REFINEMENT POSSIBLE OR THAT WE'VE NOT OVERLOOKED SOMETHING, BUT THAT WAS HOW WE APPROACHED IT. 
          AND THAT, AND THAT THE CORNERSTONES THAT YOU HAD PROPOSED ARE STILL IMPORTANT. 
          WE JUST DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THEY WERE NECESSARILY FOUNDATIONAL OR WE'RE GONNA DRIVE AS MUCH CHANGE AS WE NEEDED. 
          SO THE NOT SAYING THAT THOSE WEREN'T GOOD IDEAS, JUST WE DIDN'T THINK THEY WERE THE MOST FOUNDATIONAL ONES ASKING SOME QUESTIONS. 
          THAT'S HELPFUL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO SOME OF THEM ARE THE RECOMMENDED ACTIONS THAT YOU ALL RECOMMENDED. 
          A LOT OF THEM ARE ACTION ORIENTED. 
          UM, IN GENERAL, I WOULD SAY THAT'S THE CASE. 
          UH, SOME OF THEM ARE MORE STRATEGY BASED. 
          SO FOR EXAMPLE, I'LL JUST GIVE ONE EXAMPLE. 
          UM, ENSURE THE UPDATED GENERAL PLAN REFLECTS BEST PLANNING PRACTICES. 
          THAT'S MORE OF A KIND OF A STRATEGY THAN AN IMPLEMENTATION ACTION. 
          WHEREAS OUR IMPLEMENTATION ACTION WAS THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE GENERAL PLAN, PLUS ITS, UH, SUBSEQUENT CODE AND ORDINANCE REVISIONS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO THAT MIGHT BE A LANGUAGE THING THAT WE'LL WANNA KIND OF JUST CLEAN UP AND MAKE SURE THINGS AREN'T CONSISTENT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, AS WE MOVE FORWARD. 
          AND THAT'S JUST ONE THING I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT. 
          UM, THERE ARE OTHERS LIKE THE RECOMMENDED CORNERSTONE ACTION AROUND, UM, DO, DO YOU WANT ME TO PULL UP WHAT THE AD HOC PUT TOGETHER OR WHAT'S ON YEAH, PULL UP THE ADC. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, I WASN'T QUITE CLEAR IF IT WAS YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE, OH YEAH, THAT'D BE GREAT IF YOU COULD LIST THEM BY NUMBER TOO. 
          WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ABSOLUTELY , THAT MIGHT HELP EVERYBODY. 
          WE DON'T HAVE LIKE A MARKED UP VERSION. 
          UM, SO THEN, AND THEN ONE LIKE, UH, 12, UM, ACTION 12, WE HA THOSE ARE ALL COMPONENTS OF THE ACTIONS THAT ARE INCLUDED WITH THE PLAN. 
          AND WHAT YOU ALL DID WAS TAKE, UH, 10 ACTIONS OR 15 ACTIONS, ESSENTIALLY ROLLED THEM UP INTO ONE PROGRAM. 
          AND WHAT WE HAD KIND OF PROPOSED AS THE FOUNDATIONAL COMPONENT OF THOSE ACTIONS WAS IDENTIFYING AND IMP AND THE FUNDING MECHANISM TO HELP HOMEOWNERS AND BUSINESSES ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT THOSE, UM, BUILDING LEVEL CHANGES, WHETHER THEY'RE EFFICIENCY OR ELECTRIFICATION. 
          SO WHAT WE DID WAS TAKE A COMPONENT OF IT AND SAY, THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF THIS LARGER AND BROADER STRATEGY TO IMPROVE BUILDINGS. 
          SO I WANNA JUST KIND OF REFLECT THAT BACK BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT HOW THAN HOW WE KIND OF INITIALLY PUT THEM TOGETHER OVERALL. 
          AND I DON'T, I DON'T SEE THEM AS OPPOSITIONAL NECESSARILY. 
          I JUST SEE THEM AS KIND OF A DIFFERENT APPROACH OF THE THINGS THAT WE KIND OF IDENTIFIED THROUGH THIS, UH, SET OF STRATEGIES. 
          YEAH, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A CHICKEN EGG CHARACTER TO THIS ONE, I THINK, BECAUSE DEFINITELY THE MONEY HAS TO BE IN PLACE FOR ANY OF IT TO HAPPEN. 
          BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, WE HAVE TO HAVE A PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE FUNDING MM-HMM. 
          , YOU KNOW, HOW BIG A POT WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          AND I THINK THE, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF OTHER COMPONENTS THAT WE TRIED TO WEAVE IN HERE. 
          UM, ONE OF WHICH AGAIN, IS THAT, UM, THERE WAS VERY LITTLE ABOUT NON-RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS, RIGHT? THERE WAS, UM, NOT MUCH SAID ABOUT EFFICIENCY, WEATHERIZATION AND SO FORTH. 
          SO IT'S REALLY JUST SORT OF TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS, WE'RE DRAWING THE CIRCLE AROUND THE WHOLE SET OF CONCERNS IN THE BUILDING ARENA. 
          THAT'S, THAT THAT HAS TO BE, UM, STATED. 
          I THINK CLEARLY WHAT OUR SCOPE IS IN ORDER TO GET TO HOW BIG IS THE BUDGET AND WHERE IS IT COMING FROM. 
          GREAT. 
          AND THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          AND WE AGREE. 
          I THINK THERE'S SOME, A LOT, THERE'S A COUPLE OF COMMENTS FROM YOU ALL ABOUT NOT ENOUGH ON NON-RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS MAYBE. 
          AND THEN ACTUALLY WE GOT A NUMBER OF COMMUNITY COMMENTS ABOUT CONSOLIDATING ELECTRIC, ELECTRIFICATION OF EXISTING BUILDINGS AND ENERGY EFFICIENCY. 
          THOSE ALL MAKE SENSE WHEN YOU START TO PIECE THEM TOGETHER KIND OF OVERALL. 
          AND I THINK IT WILL HELP KIND OF TELL THAT STORY A LITTLE BIT BETTER. 
          OH YEAH. 
          I WAS JUST GONNA ADD TO WHAT ANNE SAID IS THAT WE, WE, WE USED THE WORD PROGRAM LIKE IN THAT NUMBER 12. 
          AND THE IDEA OF THE PROGRAM IS LIKE, YEAH, THE HOW ARE YOU'RE GONNA APPROACH THE PROBLEM, HOW WE'RE GONNA APPROACH THE 
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PROBLEM, WHO ARE OUR PARTNERS? WHAT'S OUR FUNDING MECHANISM? SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE PUSHING TOWARD, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT HOW YOU'RE GOING TO GET IT DONE, YOU KNOW, AND SO THAT, THAT WORD IS PRETTY CRITICAL, I THINK IN, IN SEVERAL OF THE CORNERSTONES. 
          GREAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS. 
          UM, AND I PROBABLY SHOULDN'T JUMP AROUND, I SHOULD PROBABLY DO THIS A LITTLE MORE STRATEGICALLY AND GO STRAIGHT DOWN THE LIST. 
          IF, UM, I GUESS ARE WE GONNA ONLY, ARE WE GONNA ONLY HAVE ONE BITE AT THE APPLE ON IF, LIKE, NUMBER 12, FOR EXAMPLE? DO WE WANNA ALL COMMENT ON THAT? YEAH, I WAS WONDERING ABOUT THE, LIKE, HOW WE'RE DOING THIS. 
          I MEAN, DOES IT MAKE SENSE, MORE SENSE TO GO ONE BY ONE OR, YEAH, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE KIND OF JUMPING AROUND. 
          UH, NOT, NOT, NOT ANYONE . 
          YEAH, I MEAN, I JUST, I THINK IT SHOULD BE A QUESTION TO THE AD HOC, SOME BIT OF FEEDBACK AND THEN COMMENTARY FROM THE BROADER COMMITTEE AND THEN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT POINT. 
          SO, SO YOU WANNA GO BACK UP TO NUMBER ONE? UH, I, LET'S STICK WITH NUMBER 12. 
          YOU KNOW, , I JUST, I, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE WHO I SITTING NEXT TO, SOMEONE WHO RUNS THESE TYPES OF PROGRAMS AS THEIR DAY JOB, YOU KNOW, AND SOMEONE WHO HAS WORKED IN THESE, YOU KNOW, I DO THINK THE WORD PROGRAM IS IMPORTANT, BUT TO ME THAT'S ALMOST WHY I WOULD VOTE TO NOT HAVE THIS ON THERE IS SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE TRIED AND FAILED AT THESE PROGRAMS FOR, SINCE, YOU KNOW, THE CEC'S LOADING ORDER, YOU KNOW, BACK IN THE EIGHTIES. 
          AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I WAS GOING TO SAVE THIS COMMENT TILL THE END, BUT TOMORROW THE COUNTY IS WORKING ON THE RELEASING THE PLAN FOR THE COUNTYWIDE BUILDING ELECTRIFICATION ACTION PLAN, RIGHT? AND IT'S LIKE, WE SHOULD LATCH ONTO THAT TRAIN. 
          IN MY OPINION, WE SHOULD LATCH ONTO THAT TRAIN, YOU KNOW, VERSUS, UM, HAVING A BRICK AND MORTAR STOP TO DO IT IN PETALUMA. 
          AND SO I AGREE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A, A, MAYBE A STRATEGY, A STRATEGY WOULD BE A BETTER TERM, BUT NOW IS IT NOT A CORNERSTONE ACTION, IT'S A STRATEGY. 
          SO HOW DO WE WORK WITH THAT? BUT AGAIN, THE ELECTRIFICATION OF BUILDINGS IS HUGELY IMPORTANT, BUT SHOULD NOT BE DONE AT THE CITY LEVEL. 
          AND SO THE CORNERSTONE ACTION SHOULD BE MORE RELATED TO LIKE NUMBER TWO OF LIKE, LET'S GET THE STAKEHOLDERS IN THE ROOM AND IDENTIFY WHO ARE THE PARTNERS AND WHO ARE THE PARTNER MEETINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA GO TO SO THAT WE CAN SPREAD THIS, UH, INFORMATION DOWN. 
          SO DAVE, YOU WANNA OH, UH, YEAH, AND, AND YOU KNOW, I THINK, I THINK I ALSO LATCHED ONTO SOME OF THESE WORDS LIKE PROGRAM JUST BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN IN THE PROGRAM WORLD FOREVER. 
          UM, SO THIS IS NOT TO LIKE IMPUGN THE, WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THE, UH, COMMENTS. 
          'CAUSE I THINK THAT I ACTUALLY LOOK AT THIS AND I GO HALLELUJAH TO A LOT OF IT, RIGHT? UH, BUT IF WE SAY PROGRAM, IT'S A VERY SPECIFIC THING, I THINK TO A LOT OF FOLKS IN THE CITY WORLD AND, UM, THE CONSULTING WORLD ABOUT, OKAY, WELL THIS IS GONNA BE AN ENTITY THAT IS FUNDED, HAS A BUDGET, YOU KNOW, IT HAS, IT HAS CERTAIN COMPONENTS. 
          UM, AND SO I THINK A STRATEGY THAT ACCOMPLISHES THE SAME GOALS AROUND INCENTIVIZING, UH, AND IMPLEMENTING THE HOLISTIC, YOU KNOW, EFFICIENCY, ET CETERA, RIGHT? THAT'S FANTASTIC. 
          AND I, AND I THINK MAKING, HAVING MORE ROBUST LANGUAGE, UM, AS FAR AS, AS PART OF THEIR CORNERSTONE ACTIONS IS GREAT. 
          AND SO I THINK THERE'S WAYS TO MERGE, UH, THE INTENTION. 
          UM, BUT, BUT BY JUST CHANGING A FEW WORDS AND WE'LL, WE'LL GET THERE. 
          HOPE THAT MADE SENSE. 
          , COUNCIL MEMBER SCHIBS, THOUGHTS ON NUMBER 12 OR I GUESS THE BUILDINGS TOPIC MORE BROADLY? UM, YEAH, WELL ACTUALLY I'M GOING THROUGH THIS RIGHT NOW 'CAUSE I'M, UH, ACTUALLY APPLYING FOR PERMITS FOR AN A DU TO DO ELECTRIFICATION, UH, FOR A GARAGE CONVERSION. 
          AND SO I'M RUNNING INTO THIS RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, SO IT, RIGHT NOW IT IS, UM, I'VE, I'VE GOTTA PAY CONSULTANTS OVER $2,000, UH, WHO ARE JUST GOING TO MONITOR AND ADVISE AND DO IT JUST FOR THE ELECTRICAL ENERGY. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE, UM, THE CITY STAFF, WHICH IS ALSO GONNA COME IN AND, AND DO THAT. 
          SO, SO THAT, THAT COST IS ONLY GONNA BE 11, 1200. 
          UM, SO JUST TO GET THE, UH, EFFICIENCIES DOWN, JUST DO THIS CONVERSION ADDITION, WHATEVER, IT'S A SMALL 300 SQUARE FOOT CHANGE. 
          UM, SO, AND IS, AND THEN THE COST OF THE MACHINERY AS, BUT THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF REBATES OUT THERE. 
          SO JUST THIS PROCESS THAT I'M GOING THROUGH IS NOT EASY. 
          IT'S HUGELY TIME CONSUMING. 
          DECISIONS HAVE TO GET MADE, UM, DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF HELP, UH, TO DO IT RIGHT NOW LOCALLY. 
          SO I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO STREAMLINE, AND I'VE TALKED 
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TO THE CITY PLANNERS AND BUILDERS ABOUT THIS. 
          WE NEED TO STREAMLINE, MAKE THINGS EASY AS PART OF THE PROGRAM. 
          UM, GIVE ADVICE AND HAVE ADVICE READILY SO THEY CAN GIVE MORE ADVICE THAN MAYBE WHAT THEY'RE WILLING TO GIVE RIGHT NOW. 
          SO THEY CAN ACTUALLY SUGGEST THINGS, NOT SAY, WELL GO LOOK OUT THERE. 
          THERE'S PLENTY OF THINGS TO GO LOOK AT, BUT ACTUALLY HAVE LISTS OF SUGGESTIONS. 
          SO WE NEED TO DO A MUCH BETTER JOB OF HELPING THE INDIVIDUALS 'CAUSE EACH ONE ON OUR OWN, TRYING TO MAKE ALL THESE CHANGES I'M FINDING TO BE, UM, VERY, UM, DIFFICULT AND, AND I'M A RETIRED GUY WITH LOTS OF TIME ON MY HAND. 
          UM, SO, UM, SO MORE THAN JUST A PROGRAM TO INCENTIVIZE, UM, WE NEED TO CHANGE THE, UM, OUR, BASICALLY OUR, UH, THE STRUCTURE OF WHICH WE HAVE HERE IN HOW TO MAKE THIS TRANSITION. 
          AND SO, UM, I'M THINKING OF STREAMLINING A WHOLE PROCESS. 
          SO I'D RATHER TALK ABOUT, UH, UM, UH, PROCESSES AND STRATEGIES TO STREAMLINE, UM, RATHER THAN JUST PROGRAMS. 'CAUSE PROGRAMS SOUNDS GENERIC TO ME. 
          SO THAT'S SORT OF LIKE WHAT, WHAT MY INPUT IS HERE ON NUMBER 12. 
          HAPPY TO HELP YOU BY THE WAY, SINCE I, IF YOU NEED, WANT SOME TECHNICAL HELP. 
          , DO WE WANNA HAVE ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON 12 OR THE BUILDING'S TOPIC? I KNOW WE DID SORT OF ROLL A LOT OF CORNERSTONE ACTIONS INTO SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS MEANINGFUL AND I THINK THERE'S SOME FEEDBACK WE'VE PROVIDED, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY MORE THOUGHTS OR COMMENTARY BEFORE WE MOVE ON. 
          OKAY, NUMBER ONE. 
          YEAH, I GUESS, SHOULD WE GO TO THE FIRST ONE, NUMBER ONE? YES. 
          UH, SO THE FIRST ONE IS ABOUT STAFFING. 
          UM, SO IT IS ALWAYS HARD WHEN, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, AND I, I RECENTLY HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH RELIEF ABOUT THE TREE, UM, PRESERVATION ORDINANCE FOR A SPECIFIC POSITION TO BE CALLED FOR. 
          UM, SO OFTEN WE STOP AND SAY, WELL, WHAT ARE WE, WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO, UM, ACCOMPLISH AS OPPOSED TO SAYING IT HAS TO BE THIS POSITION OR IN THIS DEPARTMENT, OR WHAT, WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH? SO TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS ELEVATING, THIS ISN'T GONNA HAPPEN IF THERE'S NOT STAFF AND IF STAFF AREN'T EMPOWERED TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS. 
          BUT THAT'S MY ONE COMMENT ABOUT DIRECTOR LEVEL POSITION. 
          MAYBE IT WILL BE A DIRECTOR LEVEL POSITION, BUT I DEFINITELY CAN'T STAND UP HERE AND SAY THAT, AND THAT'S PART OF A BUDGETING PROCESS AND A STAFFING PROCESS AND YOU KNOW, CITY MANAGEMENT AND CITY COUNCIL ALLOCATION. 
          SO THAT'S THE ONE THING WITH THAT. 
          SO TRYING TO MAYBE LOOK, UM, ELEVATE THAT, BUT LOOK AT REWORDING IT TO BE A LITTLE MORE FLUID TO THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING STAFF AVAILABLE, THE, THE, THE PEOPLE POWER BEHIND THE THINGS THAT HAVE TO HAVE TO HAPPEN. 
          THAT'S KIND OF MY COMMENT ON THAT ONE. 
          I THINK IT'S A COMMENT MORE THAN A QUESTION. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I THINK I'D ECHO WHAT, WHAT HEATHER JUST SAID. 
          UM, I THINK WE TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE WHAT OF OF THAT COMMENT. 
          LIKE WE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT NEEDS TO BE ELEVATED, THE STAFF NEEDS TO BE EMPOWERED TO MAKE MEANINGFUL CHANGE. 
          THE HOW I THINK IS JUST WE'RE, I THINK WE AS STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THERE BE FLEXIBILITY FOR US AS STAFF TO FIGURE OUT HOW THAT HAPPENS, BUT THE WHAT POINT ABSOLUTELY WELL TAKEN. 
          SO COMMENT ON THAT. 
          SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          I JUST, I, I, UM, YEAH, I, I TEND TO AGREE. 
          I HONESTLY , IT'S KIND OF FUNNY 'CAUSE SHE'S IN THE ROOM. 
          I THINK THAT PERSON IS RIHANNA. 
          I MEAN, I, NOT TO SAY THAT IT'S A DIRECTOR LEVEL POSITION NOW, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I DEAL WITH CITIES ALL OVER THAT HAVE NO ONE IN THEIR STAFF AT ALL THAT'S DEALING WITH CLIMATE. 
          AND THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A CLIMATE ACTION MANAGER, UH, ALTHOUGH VERY SADLY, SHE'S LEAVING , IS A TESTAMENT TO HOW SERIOUS THE CITY TAKES, UH, CLIMATE ACTION AND, UM, THE WAY THAT, UM, ALL PROJECTS ARE SEEN THROUGH A, A, A CLIMATE LENS. 
          AND YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF REALLY GREAT ACTION TAKEN AT THE CITY LEVEL. 
          UM, I THINK WITH THE, UM, AGAIN, THE KIND OF THE INTENTION OF, OF WHAT THAT THIS IS TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, I DO AGREE THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOME MORE, UM, POWER VESTED IN THAT, IN THAT, UM, POSITION, SO THAT IT ALLOWS THEM TO, UH, MORE EFF BE MORE EFFECTIVE. 
          AND I THINK THAT COULD HELP ACCOMPLISH THAT GOAL. 
          UM, AND YOU NEVER KNOW, MAYBE THERE MIGHT BE GRANTS OR SOMETHING FOR TO, 
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TO BEEF UP THAT STAFF, BUT I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE REALLY, UM, MADE A STRONG STATEMENT BY HAVING A CLIMATE ACTION MANAGER. 
          UH, AND I'M, I'M, YOU KNOW, YEAH. 
          SO I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, WE MAY WANNA LOOK AT HOW WE, AGAIN, HOW WE SAY THAT LANGUAGE IN NUMBER ONE, SO THAT MAYBE IT'S JUST LIKE, EMPOWER THAT PERSON MORE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          UM, JUST A LITTLE SHED A LITTLE MORE COLOR ON THAT. 
          UM, HEATHER, GREAT POINT AND COMMENT ON THAT. 
          I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE WERE REALLY TRYING TO CAPTURE WAS THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING THE CITY STAFF CULTURE PERMEATED WITH THE CLIMATE SENSIBILITY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND TO REALLY, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, ELEVATED IN THAT WAY. 
          AND CERTAINLY HAVING A DIRECTOR LEVEL POSITION ISN'T THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT. 
          SO YOU COULD THINK OF IT AS SORT OF SHORTHAND FOR WHAT WE REALLY THINK NEEDS TO HAPPEN. 
          YEP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          I WOULD, I WOULD JUST ADD THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST IN THE, HAS IT BEEN FOUR YEARS OF THIS COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN A REAL EVOLUTION OF THE AMOUNT OF STAFF RESOURCES THAT HAVE BEEN DEVOTED TO THIS. 
          YOU KNOW, WHEN PATRICK FIRST STARTED, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO GUESSTIMATE ON WHAT PERCENTAGE OF YOUR TIME YOU WERE ABLE TO DEVOTE TO THIS CAUSE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THEN IT, IT'S BEEN EXTREMELY HELPFUL TO HAVE RIHANNA IN THE CLIMATE ACTION, UM, YOU KNOW, IN HER ROLE AS THE CLIMATE ACTION MANAGER. 
          AND I THINK, I THINK WHAT, WHAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING BASICALLY IS WE WANT MORE, AND WE WANT THAT PERSON TO HAVE MORE POWER, YOU KNOW, OVER BUDGETS AND IN TERMS OF KIND OF, YOU KNOW, PUSHING DEPARTMENTS TO WORK TOGETHER AND PUSHING TIMELINES OR REALIZATION IS THAT IF IT'S NOT SOMEBODY IN VICINITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, OR SOMEBODY WHO HAS A REALLY HIGH LEVEL POSITION, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, EVERYONE HAS A REALLY BUSY JOB AT THE CITY ALREADY. 
          EVERYONE HAS A FULL PLATE. 
          AND SO WE FEEL LIKE SHOULD BE SOMEBODY WHO'S, THIS IS THEIR, THIS IS THEIR ROLE TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN, OR IT'S, YOU KNOW, TWO OR THREE PEOPLE, THIS IS THEIR ROLE TO COLLABORATE TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. 
          I'LL JUST ADD MY COMMENT. 
          I THINK AGREE ON THE, LIKE FLEXIBILITY AND JUST SEEING THE CONSENT CALENDAR, THE LIKE JOB CLASSIFICATIONS THAT ALWAYS HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, I, YOU KNOW, MAXIMUM FLEXIBILITY IS KEY BECAUSE THERE'S ALL A WHOLE UNIVERSE OF STAFF CLASSIFICATIONS, WHICH WE WANT TO AVOID. 
          UM, THE SECOND COMMENT I WANNA MAKE IS, THERE MAYBE MIGHT BE AN, AND HERE, BECAUSE WHEN I HEAR DIRECTOR, THEN I THINK LIKE, OH, MAYBE WE WANT THIS PERSON TO BE PART OF THE URBAN SUSTAINABILITY DIRECTORS NETWORK, AND WE WANT TO BE IN THE CLIMATE FRIENDLY MAYOR'S CAMP AND WE WANNA HAVE A LEADERSHIP POSITION. 
          AND SO THAT I THINK IS MAYBE PART OF THE ETHOS, ETHOS OF THE DIRECTOR LEVEL, IS THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A, YOU KNOW, INSERT FLEXIBLE NAME, POSITION PERSON, AND THEY SHOULD BE PART OF THE URBAN SUSTAINABILITY DIRECTORS NETWORK OR WHATEVER, AND LIKE, JOIN THOSE GROUPS AND SPEAK OUT ON BEHALF OF WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          YOU KNOW, TO DAVE'S POINT THAT WE ARE TAKING A LEADERSHIP POSITION HERE, AND LET'S BE PROUD OF THAT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, PART OF NUMBER ONE SHOULD BE HAVING THAT ELEMENT AS WELL. 
          IT'S NOT JUST WE'RE HAVING THIS PERSON SO THEY CAN TELL, YOU KNOW, SO AND SO AT THE STAFF LEVEL TO GO RIDE THEIR BIKE. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, , NO, WE NEED TO HAVE THIS PERSON SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE A PLATFORM AND WE WANT TO GIVE THEM THE PLATFORM TO SPEAK. 
          AWESOME. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, WHEN I'M, WHEN I'M HEARING THIS, UH, DISCUSSION, I'M ALSO HEARING, UM, OUR, OUR CITY MANAGER SORT IN MY EAR GOING, OKAY, SO WHAT DOES THIS LOOK LIKE WHEN IT COMES TO COUNCIL? AND WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BUDGETS AND BUDGET PLANNING? AND SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE, UM, WE, WE GET 400 PAGE BINDER FULL OF, UM, BUDGET AND PROJECTS, WHICH ARE ALMOST COMPLETELY DOMINATED BY ENGINEERING INFRASTRUCTURE TYPE PROJECTS. 
          SO, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE MAY WANT TO CONSIDER IS, BESIDES HAVING A PERSON AND, AND DOING IT AT, AT THE SOCIAL MANAGEMENT, ALSO WE NEED TO LOOK AT A BUDGETARY MANAGEMENT ISSUE. 
          AND THAT THE BUDGET BINDER, UM, HAS ALL THESE PROJECTS IN IT THAT OUR ENGINEERING ALSO NEEDS TO HAVE MAYBE A CHAPTER ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE ACTION PROJECTS THAT NEED TO BE EQUAL TO OUR INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS, BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET COMPARED AS TO WHICH WAY WE'RE GONNA SPEND MONEY. 
          ARE WE GOING TO REPAVE THE ROAD, OR ARE WE GOING TO DO SOMETHING MORE IN GREEN AND, AND PUT PLANT TREES? IF WE HAVE A CHOICE, WHAT'S THE CHOICES THAT WE HAVE? SO PROJECTS THAT ARE, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE, UM, UH, BUDGETED, FUNDED AND FOCUSED ON CLIMATE ACTION, UM, NEED TO 
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BE PART OF THIS BIG BINDER OF BUDGET AND LIKE, AND THE EQUAL TO ENGINEERING. 
          UM, UH, UH, AS WE GOT A COUPLE PAGES ON THIS PROJECT, THIS PROJECT, THIS PROJECT, WHILE THEY NEED TO BE HIGHLIGHTED AS IN A CHAPTER, THESE ARE THE CLIMATE ACTION PROJECTS, UM, WHICH MAY NOT, MAY OR MAY NOT BE NECESSARY INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, ENGINEERING PROJECTS, BUT THERE ARE PROJECTS ANYWAY. 
          SO HAVING THAT AS SEPARATE CATEGORIES AND LISTED WITHIN OUR BUDGETARY PROCESS IS PROBABLY EVEN AS MORE IMPORTANT THAN OUR PEOPLE, UH, WHO'S IN MANAGING AND CONTROLLING PROCESS. 
          SO THAT IF ONCE WE SAY, OKAY, LET'S MAKE A CHAPTER IN OUR BUDGET BINDER FOR CLIMATE CHANGE ACTIONS, OR AT LEAST NOTATE WHICH ONES ARE GONNA BE CLIMATE CHANGE ACTIONS, MEETING THESE GOALS, UM, IT'S GONNA BE CRITICAL IN THIS PROCESS IN ORDER TO GET ANY REAL TRACTION. 
          'CAUSE IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY. 
          SO I THOUGHT I'D JUST BRING THAT UP AS, AS WHEN IT REALLY HITS HITS WHEN IT COMES TO THE COUNCIL. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, IS THE, THE, THE BIG BOOK OF BUDGET. 
          I THINK THAT'S A GOOD SEGUE TO NUMBER TWO. 
          UM, YEAH, YOU KNOW, I, HE, IF I, YEAH, IF I COULD JUST SAY, UM, I THINK I REALLY APPRECIATED THE COMMENT ON IT BEING A VALUE OF THE ORGANIZATION, PART OF THE CULTURE. 
          MM-HMM. 
           THE EMPHASIS ON CLIMATE ACTION. 
          UM, NOT TO SAY THAT WE WOULDN'T WANT MORE RESOURCES AS WELL TO, IN THE TERM IN, UH, AS PEOPLE TO HELP DO THE WORK. 
          UM, BUT I THINK THAT REALLY RESONATED WITH ME AS IT BEING, UM, KIND OF A, A CULTURE BUILDING, UH, CORNERSTONE ACTION. 
          'CAUSE IF YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, 400 CLIMATE CHAMPIONS WORKING, EVERYBODY KIND OF FOCUSED ON, ON THAT ELEVATED TO A HIGH LEVEL AND WHAT THEY DO IN ALL THEIR JOB FUNCTIONS, THAT'S MUCH BETTER THAN HAVING TWO OR THREE PEOPLE WHO'S EXCLUSIVELY FOCUSED ON THAT. 
          UM, I THINK THAT THAT SPREADS THAT OVER A LOT MORE, AND I THINK IT ACCOMPLISHES MUCH MORE. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT, THAT I THINK THAT WAS A, A GREAT SUGGESTION RIGHT THERE. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          I GUESS FOR NUMBER TWO, DID YOU WANNA PROVIDE MORE COLOR COMMENTARY ON YOUR THOUGHTS BEHIND THIS? I CERTAIN THIS IS A PRETTY MEATY ONE. 
          IT'S ALSO THE BUDGET AND PLAN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS DIFFERENT THAN THE ACTUAL BUDGET. 
          AND SO NOW WE'RE SOMEWHAT CONFLATING TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          YOU KNOW, ONE IS THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN OF THE BLUEPRINT. 
          ONE IS HOW DO WE GET CLIMATE ACTION INTO OUR BUDGET? UM, AND I WILL SAY, COVERING EACH OF THESE NUMERICAL THINGS HERE, WE SHOULD BE COGNIZANT OF THE PREVIOUS CORNERSTONE LIST AND THE THINGS WE'RE LEAVING BEHIND. 
          YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO COVER THAT, BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS ON THAT LIST THAT ARE NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART AND WOULD BE PRIORITIZED OVER SOME OF, OF THE AD HOC LISTS. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THEM IS, I THINK IT'S A CORNERSTONE ACTION. 
          IT MIGHT JUST BE A REGULAR ACTION, BUT THE, UM, WORK TO INCORPORATE CLIMATE ACTION INTO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND TO ME THAT IS SUPER HIGH PRIORITY AND SOMEWHAT RELATED TO NUMBER TWO HERE, BUT ALSO THE BROADER LIKE STAKEHOLDER GROUP AND BUDGET AND MAYBE WHAT IS THE FUTURE OF THE BLUEPRINT. 
          SO A COUPLE THAT'S A GOOD, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, KIND OF CLARIFICATION. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING IS I DON'T THINK WE KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR ALL OF THIS RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? SO IT'S GOING TO BE A PROCESS AND IT'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, BUDGET ITEMS IN THE CITY'S BUDGET, BUT IT'S ALSO GONNA BE GRANTS AND FIGURING OUT, YOU KNOW, HOW TO GET MORE AND MORE GRANTS. 
          AND YOU GET THAT GRANT AND GREAT, AND THAT SHIFTS MAYBE YOUR PRIORITIES A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE YOU GOT A GRANT FOR THIS, BUT YOU DIDN'T GET THAT GRANT. 
          AND YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S GONNA BE, UH, IT'S GONNA BE A PROCESS. 
          AND, AND WE'RE GONNA BE FIGURING IN THAT OUT AS WE GO. 
          AND, UM, AND WE'VE ALREADY, IN THE PAST COUPLE YEARS, I FEEL LIKE THE CITY'S, AND PROBABLY PATRICK OR ERIN CAN EVEN GIVE SOME KIND OF, UM, NUMBER TO IT. 
          BUT THE, UM, NUMBER OF GRANTS THAT THE CITY IS GOING AFTER NOW COMPARED TO FIVE YEARS AGO IS IT'S A COMPLETE SHIFT. 
          UM, SO THERE IS A LOT OF DIFFERENT CREATIVE, UM, EFFORTS TO TRY TO GET TO WHERE THE CITY'S VISION IS WHEN WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY IN OUR GENERAL FUND NECESSARILY. 
          SO I AGAIN, KIND OF LOOK AT THIS ONE AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME OF IT THAT GIVES ME PAUSE, BUT I WAS THINKING IT WAS LIKE A STAKEHOLDER IN THE CITY'S BUDGET PROCESS, AND IT, IT JUST GAVE ME, I WASN'T SURE WHAT KIND OF IT'S TRYING TO GET AT. 
          IS IT TRYING TO GET AT 
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PRIORITIZING FUNDING IN THE CITY'S BUDGET TO MAKE THESE THINGS HAPPEN? IS IT, SO I, I GUESS I'M TRYING TO, AGAIN, THAT THE SPECIFICS OF THE LANGUAGE VERSUS WHAT ARE WE, WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO ACHIEVE WITH THIS ONE? I CAN TRY AND ANSWER THAT. 
          UM, I, I THINK OUR INTENTION WAS YOU KNOWING THAT ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE EXPENSIVE. 
          YOU KNOW, NOT ALL OF 'EM ARE EXPENSIVE, BUT THEY, THEY NEED RESOURCES AND THEY NEED ATTENTION, WOULD BE TO ACTUALLY PUT TOGETHER A COST ASSESSMENT OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE THINK IT WOULD COST TO IMPLEMENT THESE THINGS. 
          AND THEN, THEN LOOK AT WHAT MONIES THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE DELTA IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE DON'T HAVE AVAILABLE, YOU KNOW, AND WHAT WE THINK POTENTIALLY COULD BE RESOURCED THROUGH GRANTS OR, YOU KNOW, COLLABORATIVE PROGRAMS WITH THE COUNTY, FOR EXAMPLE. 
          AND SO, SO RATHER THAN JUST BEING REACTIVE TO GRANTS THAT ARE COMING OUT OR ANYTHING ELSE, TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT IT AND GO, OKAY, THIS IS, WE THINK THIS IS GONNA COST IN THE REALM OF THIS, YOU KNOW, FOR ALL OF THESE THINGS. 
          THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE, THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO GO GET. 
          AND SO, AND, AND, AND BECAUSE SOME OF THE CORNERSTONE ACTIONS LIKE, YOU KNOW, UM, THE BUILDING RESOURCES OR THE, YOU KNOW, EVEN THE NATURAL SYSTEMS OR THE URBAN FOREST, SO YOU CAN PARTIALLY BE DONE WITH PARTNERSHIPS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , YOU KNOW, OR WITH THE, UM, BUSINESS COMMUNITY. 
          SO THAT WAS KIND OF WHERE THE STAKEHOLDER COMMENT WAS COMING IN. 
          LIKE, THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE TO DO ALL OF IT, BUT MM-HMM. 
          THE CITY CAN HELP STRUCTURE WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN AND THEN WHAT THE BUDGET LOOKS LIKE. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S, SO DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, THAT DOES MAKE SENSE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND, AND THAT IS SOME OF WHAT HAPPENS IN TERMS OF, OKAY, HERE'S OUR PRIORITIES FOR THE YEAR. 
          WHAT NEEDS TO GO, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE THESE HAPPEN? HOW MUCH STAFF TIME IS IT, HOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE OTHER EXPENSES TO IT? WHAT ARE OUR, WHAT FUNDING DO WE HAVE? WHAT FUNDING CAN WE GO AFTER AND WHO CAN WE PARTNER WITH? YOU KNOW, THIS YEAR WE'VE PARTNERED A LOT WITH COOL PETALUMA ON, YOU KNOW, THE ELECTRIFICATION EFFORTS AND THE OUTREACH EFFORTS, YOU KNOW, AND THAT HAS BEEN A, AN AMAZING PARTNERSHIP. 
          YOU KNOW, WHEN I LOOKED AT THE, THE CORNERSTONE ACTION ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, CARBON GARDENING CAMPAIGN, I IMMEDIATELY THOUGHT OF DAILY ACTS, YOU KNOW, AND SOME OF THOSE, SOME OF THOSE PARTNERSHIPS. 
          UM, SO I DO THINK THAT IS HAPPENING, UM, ALREADY, BUT POINT WELL TAKEN OF KIND OF, THAT HELPS TO KIND OF CLARIFY IT, IT INCREASES KIND OF THE, THE ACCOUNTABILITY IN A SENSE TOO. 
          'CAUSE THE PUBLIC DOESN'T REALLY HAVE ANY WINDOW INTO SEEING, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE TOTAL BUDGET RESOURCES LOOK LIKE FOR PUTTING TOGETHER IN, TO ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT A PLAN LIKE THIS. 
          LIKE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT MONIES ARE NOT AVAILABLE, YOU KNOW, OR WHAT MONIES COULD BE AVAILABLE OR WHAT PARTNERSHIPS. 
          AND SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, I DON'T THINK THOSE DETAILED AS A, YOU KNOW, LINE ITEM BUDGET. 
          BUT I THINK THAT THE IDEA IS TO BE ABLE TO WRAP SO THE PEOPLE CAN KIND OF WRAP THEIR HEADS AROUND WHAT THE ENORMITY OF THIS EFFORT IS, WHAT THE DELTA IS, LIKE HOW, HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE NEED TO RAISE AND WHERE IS IT GONNA COME FROM? 'CAUSE I THINK PART OF WHERE WE'RE DRIVING THIS WHOLE DOCUMENT IS THAT THE CITY IS LIKE THE, YOU KNOW, THE SYMPHONY LEADER OR SOMETHING, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ALL THE WORK, YOU KNOW? AND SO HOW CAN WE, HOW CAN WE STRUCTURE PARTNERSHIPS, YOU KNOW, WITH COOL PETALUMA OR WITH THE COUNTY OR WITH, AND REALLY THINK ABOUT THAT TO, TO, TO KIND OF MAKE THE WHOLE EFFORT MORE EFFECTIVE. 
          BUT YOU CAN'T REALLY DO THAT UNLESS YOU KIND OF THINK OF YOUR ROLE AS LIKE, OKAY, HOW CAN I, YOU KNOW, QUARTERBACK THIS OR WHAT ARE THE PLAYS? YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          I, I'LL ADD A LITTLE BIT OF COLOR TO THAT TOO. 
          THERE WAS, I THINK THE SHORTER LETTER, OF COURSE, NECESSITATES ABBREVIATING A LOT OF STUFF . 
          AND PART OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO CAPTURE HERE IS THIS SENSE THAT NORMALLY A CITY BUDGET PROCESS IS LIKE, IT'S THE ACCOUNTANTS, YOU KNOW, BEAVERING AWAY IN AN OFFICE AND, YOU KNOW, TALKING TO ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND STUFF. 
          BUT IT'S LIKE, OF GETTING THE LARGER COMMUNITY TO FEEL RESPONSIBLE AND ENGAGED. 
          LIKE THIS ISN'T JUST LIKE, OH, STAFF JUST DO YOUR THING. 
          AND IT'S INVISIBLE TO US. 
          AND YOU ONLY HEAR FROM US WHEN WE NEED A POTHOLE FILLED, BUT MORE LIKE, THIS COMMUNITY IS AMAZING. 
          THERE ARE AMAZING RESOURCES HERE. 
          AND PEOPLE CONNECTED WITH ALL KINDS OF, YOU KNOW, FOUNDATIONS, NONPROFITS, HIGH WEALTH INDIVIDUALS. 
          IT'S LIKE, HOW DO WE TAP ALL THAT? IT'S IS MAYBE OPENING THE DOORS A LITTLE BIT TO THE PROCESS AND SAYING, THIS IS ALL IN, LET'S 
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GET EVERY, IT IS ALL IN ON FIGURING OUT WHERE TO FIND THIS MONEY INSTEAD OF JUST ON THE BACKS OF A FEW PEOPLE ON CITY STAFF. 
          I, I PERSONALLY LOVE THAT. 
          I THINK THAT'S GREAT. 
          I THINK THAT'S MUCH MORE OF A PROCESS RELATED, RELATED, UM, CORNERSTONE ACTION THAN IS WHAT IS LISTED IN THE TEXT HERE. 
          UM, SOMEWHAT SPEAKING TO COUNCIL MEMBER SRI'S COMMENT EARLIER, I DO THINK THE BUDGET NOW HAS ITS SOMEWHAT DECENT CLIMATE CHAPTER. 
          YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE KIND OF HAD TO ADVOCATE FOR THAT FOR A WHILE, AND HERE WE ARE. 
          UM, I CERTAINLY THINK SOME OF THAT IN THE BUDGET SHOULD GO INTO THE BLUEPRINT AND THE THINGS SHOULD TALK TO EACH OTHER, BUT TO, UM, COMMISSION MEMBER EDM MINSTER'S POINT ON THE PROCESS, YOU KNOW, MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE CURRENT BUDGET PROCESS IS, AT LEAST FROM LAST YEAR, THERE WAS, I THINK THEY WERE CALLED CLIMATE FIRST MM-HMM. 
           THINGS. 
          MM-HMM. 
           OR SOMETHING, RIGHT? SO THAT CAME, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THOSE CAME OUT OF THE SKY FROM, BUT THEY DID AND LANDED IN THE BUDGET DOCUMENT, RIGHT? AND THEN I WAS LIKE, WELL, THAT'S NOT A CLIMATE ACTION, YOU KNOW, , AND THEN YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, SO THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE STAKEHOLDER INPUT ON THINGS THAT MIGHT BE CONSIDERED CLIMATE FIRST IS MAYBE WHAT'S IN THIS NUMBER TWO, AT LEAST THAT'S IT FOR ME, IS LIKE, HOW DO WE MAKE THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION A STAKEHOLDER IN THE BUDGETING PROCESS? YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION WE ASKED DIRECTLY TO THE CITY WAS THAT THAT WAS NOT THE CASE, OR AT LEAST THAT'S SOMEONE WITH THE FEEDBACK I HAVE HEARD. 
          AND SO HOW DO WE MODIFY THAT? AND THEN ALSO, HOW DO WE RECOGNIZE THERE'S THE BUDGET PROCESS AND THERE'S THE GOALS AND PRIORITIES PROCESS. 
          AND BETWEEN THOSE TWO THINGS, THE CITY'S ABLE TO GET TO 10 OR 20% OF WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. 
          RIGHT? AND WE'RE TALKING, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST AT THE LAST GOALS AND PRIORITIES WORKSHOP, IT WAS LIKE, HEY, HOW DO WE KEEP THIS TO 10? YOU KNOW? AND IF WE DO THESE 10, WE'RE GONNA SOLVE HOMELESSNESS, RIGHT? AND HERE WE ARE. 
          WE'RE LIKE, OKAY. 
          AND NOW WE NEED TO BUDGET TO ALSO SOLVE THE CLIMATE CRISIS. 
          AND SO I, WHAT I'M A LITTLE BIT REINTERPRETING IS HOW DO, HOW DO WE GET MORE PEOPLE TO BE STAKEHOLDERS IN THE BUDGET PROCESS? YES. 
          BUT SOMEWHAT JUST THE BROADER GOALS AND PRIORITIES PROCESS. 
          HOW DO WE, OKAY. 
          EVERY YEAR THE CITY COUNCIL HAS A GOALS AND PRIORITIES WORKSHOP, AND LAST YEAR WE HAD 50 THINGS, AND I REMEMBER WHEN IT WAS AT THE FAIRGROUNDS, AND THERE WAS THIS, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE THE CITY DOES A GREAT JOB OF DOING THAT EVERY YEAR, BUT IT'S LIKE, OKAY, THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION IS PRESENTING LIKE THE THREE THINGS WHICH COULD BE HELPED PRIORITIZE, YOU KNOW, AND LIKE, SO THAT THERE'S ALWAYS A SEAT AT THE TABLE IN THE BUDGET AND GOALS AND PRIORITIES TO ADVOCATE FOR THINGS THAT ARE PRIORITIES. 
          YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THESE LISTS OF, OF 20, YOU KNOW, 19 THINGS IS GONNA BE DIFFERENT NEXT YEAR AND DIFFERENT THE YEAR AFTER. 
          AND SO I THINK AT LEAST WHAT I AM ADVOCATING FOR IN NUMBER TWO IS THAT THERE'S A CLEAR STAKEHOLDER PROCESS RELATED TO CLIMATE THAT IS INTRODUCED INTO THE CITY'S EFFORTS. 
          THE BUDGET EFFORT, THE GOALS AND PRIORITIES, EFFORT, UH, SOME OF THOSE OTHER THINGS. 
          UM, THE, THE LAST THING I'LL SAY ON THIS IS LIKE THE WORD BUDGET SPECIFICALLY TO ME, THAT IS ALREADY, UM, UH, A MIND SHARE IN CONVERSATION THAT WE NEED TO SHIFT PEOPLE AWAY FROM. 
          UH, BECAUSE THE LARGEST SOURCE OF FUNDING FOR CLIMATE ACTION IS IN EVERY DAY'S EVERYBODY'S OPERATING BUDGET. 
          AND IT'S CONVERTING THEIR OPERATING BUDGET FROM THINGS THAT CREATE GHG TO THINGS THAT DON'T. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT WHEN YOU SAY BUDGET, THAT IMMEDIATELY PEOPLE THINK OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS OR ONE-TIME COSTS, RIGHT? AND SO THE WORD BUDGET CAN HAVE THAT CONNOTATION. 
          PEOPLE DON'T THINK OF THEIR MONTHLY ELECTRIC BILL AS, WHAT IS MY ANNUAL BUDGET? YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST A, ANYWAY, MONEY TYPE OF EXPENSE. 
          SO I THINK REFRAMING HOW WE TALK ABOUT SPENDING PLANS VERSUS BUDGETING PLANS MIGHT BE EFFECTIVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, CHAIR. 
          UH, SO I, I KIND OF WANT TO KIND OF PICK OUT WHERE IN THE VENN DIAGRAM, I CAN DEFINITELY SEE SOME AGREEMENT, AND THAT IS AROUND TRANSPARENCY AND STAKEHOLDER INCLUSION. 
          UM, SO TO ME, YEAH, HAVING A MORE TRANSPARENT PROCESS THAT SHOWS, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE PUBLIC CAN SEE LIKE, HEY, WE WANNA DO THIS THING, WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY WE'RE LOOKING FOR, IT IS A GOOD FAITH. 
          UM, 
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YOU KNOW, IT, IT SHOWS THE PUBLIC THE GOOD FAITH THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SOLVE THE CLIMATE PROBLEM AND YOU'RE, AND YOU'RE DOING WHAT YOU CAN. 
          I THINK SOME OF THIS, UM, IS IMPOSSIBLE TO BUDGET FOR OR, OR CREATE A SPENDING PLAN IN, IN ITS CURRENT FORM. 
          I THINK THERE'S JUST TOO MANY UNKNOWABLES AND, UM, THINGS CHANGE CONSTANTLY. 
          I MEAN, IF THIS WAS 2021 AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IS, THERE'D BE NO, IRA, UM, WE JUST SAW THAT THE GOVERNOR IS SLASHING CLIMATE FUNDING FROM THE BUDGET DUE TO BUDGET SHORTFALLS. 
          SO , YOU KNOW, TRYING TO, TRYING TO REALLY PIN SOME OF THIS STUFF DOWN CAN BE, UH, QUITE DIFFICULT. 
          THAT BEING SAID, I THINK THAT THE MORE IT'S, UM, TRANSPARENT TO THE PUBLIC AND OUR, AND HAVING STAKEHOLDER PROCESS, HAVING AN INCLUSIONARY PROCESS THAT BRINGS TOGETHER ALL THE TALENT THAT WE HAVE, NOT JUST IN THE CITY, BUT THE COUNTY AND THE STATE, UM, WILL, WILL, YOU KNOW, BENEFIT THIS, UH, THIS PLAN. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL JUST DO A TIME CHECK HERE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, EIGHT O'CLOCK ALREADY, SO . 
          YEAH. 
          UM, SO I THINK LET'S MAYBE GET MORE FEEDBACK, UM, FROM THE GUESTS WE HAVE HERE, AND MAYBE GO FOR ANOTHER HOUR AND TAKE A BIO BREAK. 
          AND HOPEFULLY WE DON'T HAVE TO VOTE TO EXTEND THIS MEETING PAST 11. 
          THAT'S AT LEAST MY PREFERENCE. 
          SO, UM, YEAH. 
          SO, UM, THE BIO BREAK IN LESS THAN A HALF. 
          OKAY. 
          AN HOUR, EIGHT 30, MAYBE EIGHT 30. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, AND I'M HAPPY TO THAT, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY LIKE WITH ALL OF THESE, LIKE, IT'S GOOD TO GET THE FEEDBACK, GET SOME CLARIFICATION. 
          WE'LL GO BACK, WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT, WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT AS A STAFF, WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT WITH RAMEY. 
          WE WILL LOOK AT DIFFERENT OPTIONS. 
          SO THAT HELPS TO KIND OF GET AT THE, WHAT, WHAT THE INTENTION IS WITH THAT. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          UM, I'M GONNA DO THREE, AND THEN I'M GONNA HAND IT BACK TO ERIC. 
          BUT THREE, I, I THINK WHAT I AM, I, I MEAN, AGAIN, BEING SO SPECIFIC THAT IT HAS TO BE A PROFESSIONALLY FACILITATED STAFF RETREAT VERSUS I THINK WHAT THE, WHAT THE INTENT HERE IS TO GET THE, THE CULTURE THAT, THAT PERMEATE THE CULTURE, GET PEOPLE TOGETHER, GET PEOPLE UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE CITY IS DOING, WHAT THE VISION IS, HOW THEY ARE A PART OF IT. 
          AND IT IS HOW I'M READING THAT. 
          SO I'M, UH, I'M LESS, UM, I'M, I, I HESITATE IN HAVING IT BE SO SPECIFIC ON EXACTLY HOW YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT. 
          UM, NOTICE WE DID SAY, OR SIMILAR PROCESS OR SIMILAR PROCESS,  . 
          SO, UM, BUT I, I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY REAL SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. 
          I THINK WE EVEN HAD SOME OF THAT IN THE STAFFING. 
          UH, I CAN'T, STAFFING AND PLANNING, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY. 
          THE STAFFING PLAN WAS PRETTY GOOD, I THOUGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S UPLIFTING SOME OF WHAT'S IN THAT INTO A CORNERSTONE ACTION, IS HOW I'M TAKING THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          I'LL JUST, I'LL SAY BRIEFLY, YOU KNOW, LIKE, BECAUSE THIS IS A PUBLIC FACING DOCUMENT, AND THIS IS CORNERSTONE ACTION THREE, I THINK MAYBE PART OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET IS LIKE, THE STAFF IS ON BOARD TOO, AND IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE GOING TO TELL YOU TO RIDE YOUR BIKE, AND THEN THE, YOU KNOW, POLICE IS GONNA GET A BUNCH OF CARS AND BURN GAS AND ALL THAT. 
          AND IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE GOOD FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC IF THE STAFF ISN'T AGREEING TO SOME THINGS, YOU KNOW? AND WHAT WE CAN GET THEM TO AGREE TO IS A WHOLE NOTHER MATTER. 
          BUT I THINK THAT'S PART OF IT TOO, IS JUST THE STAFF IS ON BOARD AND WE'RE COMMUNICATING THAT. 
          I WOULD, I WOULD JUST ADD TO THAT, THAT THE STAFF IS ON BOARD, BUT IT ALSO, THE STAFF IS AWARE OF THE EMERGENCY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , LIKE THEY'RE EVERY DAY THINKING ABOUT IT AS AN EMERGENCY, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT'S, AND ALSO ENGAGED IN CRAFTING THE SOLUTIONS. 
          I, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S HUGELY IMPORTANT, RIGHT? THAT THIS OWNERSHIP ISN'T SEEN AS SOMETHING THAT'S BEING IMPOSED. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT RATHER SOMETHING LIKE, OKAY, WE HAVE A MISSION AND WE'RE GONNA FIGURE IT OUT TOGETHER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THEY REALLY GO TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, TWO AND THREE. 
          IT'S LIKE, HOW ARE WE GONNA DO THIS ? YOU KNOW? YEAH. 
          WE NEED TO HAVE A SENSE OF WHERE WE NEED THE MONEY AND THE BUDGET, AND THEN WE NEED TO PLAN FOR STAFF RESOURCES AND COLLABORATION. 
          OKAY. 
          NUMBER FOUR, I GET, I DREW NUMBER FOUR. 
          UM, SO THIS IS THE GHC BUDGET FOR CITY AND PRIVATE, UM, ENTITIES, THE ACCOUNTABILITY SYSTEM, AND THEN A POLICY ABOUT INVESTMENT IN SEQUESTRATION IN NORTHERN, THE NORTHERN COAST REGION. 
          UM, LET'S START WITH A, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THIS PLAN DOES, AND WE DID AS PART OF THIS PROCESS, IS INVENTORY, MUNICIPAL EMISSIONS FOR THE FIRST TIME. 
          THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT HOLES IN THAT EMISSIONS, WHICH HAVE BEEN 
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POINTED OUT BY COMMUNITY MEMBERS, WHICH SOME OF THEM WE KNEW GOING IN WHERE THERE ARE DATA GAPS, UM, IN THE REPORTING, UH, PROCESS. 
          SO SOME OF THE EARLY ACTIONS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE MONITORING PROGRAM, THERE'S A SECTION IN, UM, CHAPTER FIVE ON MUNICIPAL REPORTING AND MONITORING, ARE ABOUT STRENGTHENING THOSE DATA COLLECTION EFFORTS AND THEN BETTER MONITORING THEM OVER TIME. 
          AND THAT WILL REALLY HELP YOU TO ESTABLISH THAT BUDGET OVER TIME. 
          BUT RIGHT NOW, I WOULD SAY THERE ARE PROBABLY SIGNIFICANT HOLES IN THAT DATA. 
          UH, AND THAT KONA, THOSE FIRST ACTIONS CAN BE REALLY FOCUSED ON THOSE COLLECTION EFFORTS, ESTABLISHING THE PROTOCOLS THAT YOU DO INTERNALLY AS CITY STAFF, UM, AND FIGURING OUT WHAT THE MEASUREMENT TOOLS ARE YOU'RE USING TO DO THAT OVERALL, UH, PARTICULARLY FOR A MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. 
          UM, SO THAT'S THE A PART, THE B PART, UH, AGAIN, THIS FALLS INTO THE MONITORING AND REPORTING. 
          I THINK THAT'S VERY CONSISTENT WITH THE ACTIONS THAT WERE LISTED IN THERE. 
          AND THAT'S JUST LIFTING THOSE UP. 
          AND THAT MAKES GOOD SENSE TO ME. 
          UM, AND THEN THE C PART, UM, IS MORE OF A POLICY QUESTION, I THINK ABOUT, UM, WHERE YOU DIRECT YOUR FUNDS FOR SEQUESTRATION IN YOUR EFFORTS OVERALL. 
          AND I THINK IT CAN BE A GOOD GOAL TO DO THAT. 
          I PERSONALLY DON'T KNOW HOW LIMITING THAT WOULD BE IF YOU'RE JUST FOCUSING ON ONE SUB REGION OF THE STATE OR EVEN WITHIN THE STATE ITSELF FOR THOSE PROJECTS. 
          BUT IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT I IMAGINE THAT STAFF COULD TAKE ON AS A, AS AN ACTION TO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHERE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES ARE OR AREN'T WITHIN THE SUBREGION RIGHT NOW, AND HOW THOSE CHANGE AND EVOLVE OVER TIME. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I THINK THERE'S A COMPONENT OF IT, WHICH IS WHAT, WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW MIGHT NOT BE WHAT'S HAPPENING AT 2030 IN TERMS OF THOSE OPPORTUNITIES FOR SEQUESTRATION, AND WHETHER IT'S MARSH LANDS ON THE COAST, OR WHETHER IT'S FORESTRY IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE REGION. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THOSE ARE JUST A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS GENERALLY ON NUMBER FOUR. 
          BUT I, YOU KNOW, FROM OUR SIDE, AND I JUST WANNA HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS ON THOSE AS WELL. 
          WELL, ONE OF THE HOLES THAT, UM, I PERSONALLY HAVE BEEN REALLY FOCUSED ON IS THE FACT THAT, UM, CONSTRUCTION OF BOTH BUILDINGS AND INFRASTRUCTURE DO REPRESENT A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT, UH, PIECE OF THE CONSUMPTION BASED EMISSIONS. 
          BUT, UM, A LOT OF THE DOCUMENTATION THAT WE RELY ON, FOR EXAMPLE, THE BERKELEY, UM, REPORT THAT WAS DONE FOR BARRIER AIR QUALITY MANAGEMENT DISTRICT ONLY LOOKS AT HOUSEHOLD CONSUMPTION BASED EMISSIONS. 
          AND SO IT DOESN'T SHOW UP EITHER IN CITIES DIRECT EMISSIONS OR IN THE CONSUMPTION BASED EMISSIONS DATA THAT WE'VE BEEN GIVEN. 
          BUT I DID A LITTLE BIT OF DIGGING, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THAT IS PRETTY CLOSE TO, IT MIGHT EVEN EXCEED, UM, HOUSEHOLD FUEL USE AS A CONTRIBUTOR TO GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS. 
          SO IT'S NON-TRIVIAL, AND WE NEED TO FIGURE THAT OUT. 
          AND BECAUSE THAT IS A SET OF ACTIVITIES THAT THE CITY CONTROLS, IT'S WORTH KNOWING. 
          SO I WAS, I THINK I WAS JUST GONNA ADD THAT, SO THAT IT WAS KIND OF LIKE, AND THEN SETTING BUDGETS FOR CARBON EMISSIONS IN DIFFERENT AREAS, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WE HAVE CLEAR TARGETS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO THIS BY 2028, WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO THIS, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WE HAVE SOME SENSE OF HOW WE'RE, WE'RE MEETING OUR GOALS OR NOT, YOU KNOW, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THIS, UM, THIS PARTICULAR CORNERSTONE WAS MEANT TO DO. 
          AND I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF TALKING BRIEFLY ABOUT THE STRUCTURE, THE IDEA WAS INSTEAD OF THE CORNERSTONES LIVING ON THEIR OWN IN A LIST, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY GET INTO THE CHAPTER THERE, THE TOP, AND THEN THE OTHER ACTIONS AND STRATEGIES FLOW BENEATH IT, YOU KNOW? AND SO YOU CAN KIND OF RELATE TO THE URGENCY THAT'S ESTABLISHED BY THE CORNERSTONES, AND THEN SEE IN THAT CHAPTER HOW THOSE THINGS ARE FLOWING TOGETHER. 
          I, I GUESS I'LL ADD MY THOUGHTS. 
          UM, THIS IS MAYBE A QUESTION, BUT DOES THE BLUEPRINT MENTION THAT WE WILL EVENTUALLY HAVE A BUDGET AND REDUCE TO THAT? I MEAN, I THINK IT MENTIONS A BASELINE, RIGHT? BUT I CERTAINLY THINK WE SHOULD BE VERY EXPLICIT THAT WE WILL AT THE RIGHT TIME HAVE A BUDGET AND WORK TOWARDS REDUCING THAT BUDGET. 
          AND YEAH, RIGHT NOW I THINK WE JUST HAVE WHERE WE ARE AND WHERE WE NEED TO BE, BUT NO SENSE OF, LIKE, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT A LINEAR REDUCTION? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT RAMPING DOWN SLOWLY AND THEN SPEEDING UP? UM, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE, EVEN IF WE KNOW THAT THAT MODEL, WHATEVER MODEL WE CHOOSE PRESENTLY IS PROBABLY FLAWED TO AT LEAST SORT OF HAVE 
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A SENSE OF MAYBE TWO OR THREE SCENARIOS. 
          MAYBE ONE OF THEM IS LINEAR. 
          WE TRY AND DO, YOU KNOW, THE SAME AMOUNT EVERY YEAR. 
          MAYBE ANOTHER ONE IS START FAST AND SLOW DOWN, AND ONE, ACTUALLY THAT ONE LOOKS THE BEST. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT THE ANALYSIS FROM THE EXPERTS, IS IF YOU CAN REDUCE FASTER, SOONER, THAT'S SORT OF A TECHNICAL TERM, , UM, WE HAVE BETTER RESULTS THAN IF WE START SLOWER. 
          YEAH. 
          ET CETERA. 
          ANYWAY, YOU GET THE PICTURE, IT'S LIKE THE, THE AREA UNDER THE GRAPH LOOKS VERY DIFFERENT IF IT'S THIS WAY THAN IF IT'S THIS WAY. 
          SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO SORT OF AT LEAST HAVE A NOTION OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE ON A YEAR BY YEAR BASIS. 
          AND WHAT ARE THE CON CONTRIBUTIONS TO THAT, YOU KNOW, SO LIKE, HOW MUCH ARE WE TRYING TO CARVE OUT OF INFRASTRUCTURE? HOW MUCH ARE WE TRYING TO CARVE OUT OF, UM, HOUSEHOLD CONSUMPTION BASED EMISSIONS, EVEN THOUGH WE, WE CAN'T CONTROL, WE CAN ONLY, YOU KNOW, TRY TO INCULCATE A MINDSET AROUND THAT. 
          SO WHAT ARE WE LOOKING FOR IN EACH OF THESE AREAS AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IN TERMS OF WHERE WE ARE NOW WITH OUR CURRENT PRACTICES VERSUS WHAT, HOW THOSE PRACTICES NEED TO CHANGE? AND I, I THINK THE IMPORTANCE OF, OF A BUDGET, NOT LIKE THE MOST ACCURATE BUDGET, BUT A BUDGET, AND MAYBE IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE A GHG EMISSIONS BUDGET PER SE, BUT LIKE THE, IN THE BUDGET NOW THEY HAVE HOW MUCH DIESEL AND GAS AND EVERYTHING THEY'RE SPENDING, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S ALREADY VERY CLEAR IN THE BUDGET. 
          BUT ON THE NUMBER TWO, THE ACCOUNTABILITY SYSTEM, I THINK THAT LANGUAGE COULD BE SOFTENED OR MODIFIED A BIT. 
          IT SOUNDS A BIT LIKE A STICK. 
          UM, AND I'LL TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, IN MY DAY JOB, I WORK WITH THE LARGEST CORPORATIONS ON EARTH, AND THE ONLY ONES THAT ARE DOING ANYTHING, THE CEO IS SAYING, WHERE IS MY CLIMATE ACTION? MY BUDGET IS DE MY, MY ANNUAL BONUS IS DEPENDENT ON MEETING MY BUDGET. 
          OKAY? AND THAT ACCOUNTABILITY SYSTEM IS A CARROT SYSTEM FOR CITY STAFF TO HAVE PART OF THEIR COMPENSATION BE TIED TO MEETING THE CITY'S GHD REDUCTION TARGETS. 
          AND YOU THOUGHT THAT WAS HARSH . 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THAT IS A BONUS STRUCTURE THAT IS GONNA BE VERY COMPLICATED TO ROLL OUT. 
          BUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY SYSTEMS AND WHAT'S WORKING, THAT IS ONE OF THE FEW THINGS THAT IS WORKING AT AN INTERNATIONAL SCALE, IS TYING PERSONAL COMPENSATION TO MEETING AND EXCEEDING BUDGETS. 
          SO THAT'S MORE OF A ACCOUNTABILITY SYSTEM. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, EMPLOYEE COMPENSATION SCHEME, THAT'S GONNA TAKE PROBABLY WAY LONGER THAN I THINK WE CAN ANTICIPATE TO MAKE HAPPEN. 
          BUT I PERSONALLY THINK THAT'S VERY EFFECTIVE, YOU KNOW, AND LESS EFFECTIVE IS THE STICK APPROACH OF LIKE, YOU HAVE DONE A BAD JOB. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S CERTAINLY WITHIN THE CITY CONTEXT, NOT MUCH YOU CAN EVEN DO IF SOMEONE IS FAILING IN THEIR ACCOUNTABILITY IN THIS TOPIC. 
          SO, UM, AND THEN, AND THEN THE LAST ONE, YOU KNOW, I, MY FIRST OPINION WAS THAT LIKE, THIS SHOULD BE NOT UNDER NUMBER FOUR AND NUMBER FOUR LIKE ISN'T EVEN REALLY AN ACTION ANYWAY. 
          BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A BUDGET, AND REALLY THE ONLY FEASIBLE WAY I WOULD SAY CURRENTLY TO, TO MEET OUR 2030 BUDGET WOULD BE TO INCLUDE OFFSETS. 
          AGAIN, I DON'T NECESSARILY RECOMMEND OR AGREE WITH THAT, BUT I THINK THE REALITY IS THAT OFFSET PURCHASES, UH, WOULD BE REQUIRED TO MEET OUR BUDGET AS A BUSINESS AS USABLE SCENARIO TODAY. 
          AND SO, UM, TO ME, NUMBER C IS MORE ABOUT, UM, IN OUR BUDGET MAKING PROCESS, WE SHOULD HAVE A QUESTION OF SHOULD WE START BUDGETING FOR THIS, YES OR NO? AND IF SO, INCLUDE THOSE DOLLARS IN OUR REPORT, OUR STAFF REPORTS WHEN WE'RE MAKING DECISIONS, YOU KNOW, WE ARE GOING TO PURCHASE THIS BIODIESEL TRACTOR AND IT WILL HAVE 66% LESS EMISSIONS. 
          HOWEVER, THE REMAINING 33% WILL STILL GO INTO THE ATMOSPHERE AND THE COST TO COVER THOSE WILL BE X, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE APPROVED, UH, CARBON OFFSET PO, YOU KNOW, PURCHASING POLICY. 
          AGAIN, I THINK YOUR COMMENT WAS THAT THIS IS LIKE A SOMEWHAT SPECIFIC POLICY STATEMENT, WHICH I AGREE WITH THE POLICY STATEMENT, BUT I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK IT'S IN OUR INTEREST TO BE THAT PRESCRIPTIVE AT THIS JUNCTURE. 
          AND WE SHOULD HAVE A WHOLE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION MEETING ON THE TOPIC AND IT SHOULD GO, YOU KNOW, EVENTUALLY UP THE FOOD CHANGES AS 
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IT'S LIKE, WHAT IS THE CITY'S OFFSET POLICY? YOU KNOW, TO ME THAT'S, I THINK AS IMPORTANT OR MORE IMPORTANT IS THE CITY'S WORK ON CREATING A POLICY AND OUR WORK IN SUPPORTING THAT COUNCIL MEMBER SHRIVES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THE ONLY THING I WOULD LIKE TO ADD IS ON FOUR C, UM, THAT QUITE DOESN'T BELONG IN THIS, UH, AREA, BUT IT BELONGS IN, UH, AAVA MOORE'S CROSSOVER TO ADAPTATION, UM, AS WELL. 
          AND THE AREAS I CAN THINK OF THE PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS OF THIS IS BECAUSE I'M ON THE WATERSHED, UH, COMMITTEE FOR PETALUMA, BOTH THE COLLABORATIVE AND ALSO THE, UH, THE NORTH BAY REGION. 
          SO THERE'S TWO AREAS THERE THAT COOPERATION IS NEEDED. 
          UH, WITH THE CITY, THERE IS THE AGON OPEN SPACE, WHICH, UH, MAY HAVE A LOT TO DO WITH, UM, OUR, OUR, THE LANDS AROUND US, AS WELL AS THE COUNTY, UH, AGON OPEN SPACE. 
          THE COUNTY HAS A LOT OF OF CONTROL OVER WHAT, WHAT'S IMMEDIATELY AROUND US IN OUR WATERSHED. 
          AND ALSO WE'RE WORKING WITH THE, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT BOTH AT THE COUNTY AND LOCALLY ON A NEW FIRE TAX THAT, UH, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FOR THE WILDFIRES. 
          SO THERE'S ALL THESE, THESE, THESE THINGS, WHICH ALL PRETTY MUCH DEAL WITH SEA, WHICH IS THE INVESTMENT IN CARBON SEQUESTRATION AND HOW THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN, UM, ON A REGIONAL BASIS. 
          AND GETTING, UM, THE CITY TO BE, UM, MORE IN TUNE WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING REGIONALLY AND SUPPLYING THEM. 
          'CAUSE THESE, WE HAVE TO PAY MONEY TO BE PART OF ALL THESE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS AND TO PARTICIPATE IN THEM. 
          WE NEED TO, UM, UH, ENHANCE OUR PARTICIPATION AND SEEK OUT, UH, MORE COLLABORATION, MORE GRANTS, AND UM, BE, HAVE MORE INPUT INTO THE COUNTY IN, IN OUR WATERSHED. 
          'CAUSE THE COUNTY HAS TENDENCY OF LOOKING AT THE OTHER WATERSHEDS MORE THAN OURS. 
          SO WE NEED TO SPEAK UP. 
          SO THAT NEEDS TO BE, UM, UH, AT SOME SORT OF IN, IN THERE AS A GOAL, UM, THAT WE ARE GONNA DO MORE OF THIS REGIONAL WORK WITH, UM, BOTH THE COUNTY AND, AND REGIONAL AGENCIES AND OTHER CITIES THAT ARE WORKING REGIONALLY TOGETHER, UM, TO MAKE THIS ALL HAPPEN BECAUSE IT'S GONNA TAKE, THIS IS WHERE, WHERE YOU HAVE THE CARBON SEQUESTRATION AS WELL AS THE ADAPTATION, AS WELL AS PREPARATION FOR WILDFIRES AND THE, LIKE, THAT ALL IS HAPPENING THERE. 
          SO THAT NEEDS TO BE IN THERE SOMEWHERE. 
          IT DOESN'T QUITE BELONG IN HERE, BUT WE NEED TO BUDGET FOR THESE THINGS AS WELL AS, AS MAN, THE DIFFERENT COMMITTEES, UH, GOING FORWARD AND ACTUALLY TO SEEK OUT MORE ATTENTION FROM ALL THE VARIOUS SOURCES OF, OF HELP THAT WE CAN GET. 
          SO THIS NEEDS TO BE IN THERE SOMEWHERE, BUT, BUT MAYBE NOT HEAR IT DIRECTLY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COUNCIL I'M TROOPS. 
          UH, SO, UH, I, I'M KIND OF USUALLY A KIND OF A LONE VOICE ON THIS ONE, BUT, UM, WHILE I AGREE AND THAT WE NEED ACCOUNTABILITY, WE NEED TO HAVE SOME MEASURE OF SUCCESS, UM, HAVING REALLY, REALLY ACCURATE, UM, ACCOUNTABILITY OF GHE EMISSIONS IS REALLY, REALLY HARD. 
          REALLY, REALLY, REALLY HARD. 
          I'VE, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS, IT'S KIND OF WORK A LONG TIME. 
          AND, UM, THE AMOUNT OF TIME AND MONEY AND EFFORT IT WOULD TAKE TO BE AS ACCURATE AS WE WOULD NEED TO BE. 
          I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE BETTER OFF HAVING A GENERAL SENSE AND HAVING OUR PLANS MEET GOALS AS BEST WE CAN, AND NOT WORRYING TOO MUCH ABOUT GETTING EXACTLY RIGHT BECAUSE WE JUST, WE'RE NEVER HERE. 
          AND, UH, I, I THINK THERE ARE, THERE ARE SO MANY CO-BENEFITS TO, UM, WHAT WE'RE ALL TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE AS FAR AS LIKE INCREASED BIODIVERSITY, LOWER NOX EMISSIONS, PEOPLE BEING HEALTHIER 'CAUSE THEY'RE BICYCLING AND WALKING. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, IT GOES ON AND ON THAT YES, EMISSIONS OF GREENHOUSE GASES ARE, ARE THE ULTIMATE GOAL. 
          BUT, UM, I JUST THINK THAT HAVING, UH, A REALLY ROBUST EMISSIONS REGIME IS MAYBE NOT AS CRITICAL AS, AS GETTING THE ACTUAL WORK DONE. 
          UM, AND THEN, AND I KNOW THAT'S, I, I'M, I'M USUALLY A LONER IN THAT, IN THIS REGARD. 
          UM, AND THEN, UM, I LOVE THE, UH, CONCEPT OF REGIONAL, UM, SEQUESTRATION. 
          'CAUSE I AGREE THAT A LOT OF SEQUESTRATION IS USUALLY DOUBLE COUNTED AND KIND OF GREENWASHING. 
          UM, AND I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MOHR'S THAT HAVING A SEQUESTRATION A REGIONAL SEQUESTRATION STRATEGY, MAYBE NOT QUITE AS SPECIF AS, UH, AS SPECIFIED AS WHAT'S IN HERE, BUT JUST HAVING THAT STRATEGY AND BEING AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE PLAN IS, IS CRITICAL, UH, BECAUSE, UH, SEQUESTRATION IS, IS VITAL FOR OUR GOALS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NUMBER FIVE. 
          UH, THIS ONE WOULD BE AN EASY ONE. 
          UM, NUMBER FIVE IS CONSISTENT WITH, UH, ACTIONS 14 AND 22 AND THE CORNERSTONE ACTIONS ALREADY. 
          SO WE CAN MOVE ON UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER CO COMMENTS ON 
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THAT. 
          GOOD ON THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, NUMBER SIX IS THE RESOURCE CENTER. 
          UM, WE HAD A, A CORNERSTONE ACTION, WHICH WAS SIMILAR, WHICH IS NUMBER SIX IN OUR CORNERSTONE ACTIONS AS WELL. 
          OURS DID FOCUS ON ENERGY RESOURCES AS WAS POINTED OUT, AND THIS WOULD BE AN EXPANSION OF THAT. 
          I THINK THAT SEEMS LIKE AN APPROPRIATE, UH, SITUATION. 
          UM, I THINK THERE MIGHT, YOU MIGHT CONSIDER SOME FLEXIBILITY ABOUT WHETHER IT'S BRICK AND MORTAR, WHETHER IT'S ONLINE, WHETHER IT'S POP-UP, WHETHER IT'S A COMBINATION THAT YOU CAN BE KINDA, UM, FLEXIBLE AND ADAPTIVE TO THE CIRCUMSTANCES AT ANY TIME TO DO KIND OF THOSE THINGS. 
          AND WE'VE WORKED WITH CITIES THAT USE THEIR LIBRARY, FOR EXAMPLE, AS THAT RESOURCE CENTER AND OTHERS THAT, UM, ARE POPPING UP ON THEIR MAIN STREET WHEN THERE'S A VACANCY IN THE BUILDING, RIGHT? SO THERE, I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OF OPTIONS, BUT MAYBE SOME FLEXIBILITY AROUND THAT SPECIFICALLY OVERALL. 
          BUT DEFINITELY LIKE THE IDEA OF EXPANDING IT TO INCLUDE MORE RESOURCES ON WATER AND SEQUESTRATION ADAPTATION. 
          RIGHT? I THINK THOSE ARE GOOD. 
          AND WE DID THINK IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT THAT THERE WERE LIVE BODIES AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE TO WALK UP AND TALK TO, UM, BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO AREN'T NECESSARILY VERY COMFORTABLE USING TECHNOLOGY. 
          UM, SO, AND OBVIOUSLY A LIBRARY IS BRICK AND MORTAR, SO THAT SOLUTION COULD WORK POTENTIALLY POPUPS. 
          WE ALSO HAD, UM, IN SOME OF THESE OTHER, UM, MEASURES THE IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, IN COMMUNITY ACTIVITIES, LIVE EVENTS THAT VERY CONSISTENT WITH THAT. 
          BUT, UM, DEFINITELY REAL PEOPLE FACE-TO-FACE CONVERSATIONS HUGELY IMPORTANT. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, JUST TO ECHO, MAYBE IT WAS, YEAH, COUNCIL MEMBER SHRIMP'S COMMENT, LIKE, I'VE BEEN DOING A BUILDING AS WELL, AND IT'S KIND OF BEWILDERING TO ME, LIKE, WHERE ARE THE REBATES AND WHO THE, WHAT DO YOU NEED ? AND IT'S LIKE, OH MY GOD, IF I'M STRUGGLING WITH THIS, UH, AFTER FOUR YEARS OF THIS CONVERSATION, I'M SURE MOST PEOPLE ARE, YOU KNOW, AND SO WE GOTTA MAKE THIS EASIER, A LOT EASIER. 
           , I, I, I WILL SAY LIKE THE, THE, THE WE IN THAT I THINK IS THE MOST IMPORTANT. 
          I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK A SINGLE RESOURCE WILL BE EFFECTIVE AT THIS. 
          AND THAT RESOURCE, IF THEY WERE TO EXIST, WOULD BE VERY EXPENSIVE. 
          AND SO, TO ME, THIS IS MORE ABOUT LIKE, WHAT YOU KNOW ARE, IS THE TRAINING THAT WE CAN GIVE OUR STAFF SO THEY CAN DIRECT PEOPLE TO THOSE COLLECTIVE RESOURCES. 
          WHEN I FIRST READ THIS, I'M LIKE, WHY ARE WE GONNA RECREATE SANTA ROSA'S ADVANCED ENERGY CENTER? YOU KNOW, LIKE, I DON'T WANNA DO THAT. 
          WHAT I DO WANNA DO IS GIVE PEOPLE A BUS PASS TO GO TO THE ADVANCED ENERGY CENTER. 
          YOU KNOW? AND THAT'S NOT HAPPENING, YOU KNOW, AND THE ADVANCED ENERGY CENTERS SITTING THERE, BEAUTIFUL. 
          LIKE, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN THERE, IT'S AN AMAZING PLACE. 
          NOBODY IN PETALUMA KNOWS ABOUT IT. 
          YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD NOT REPLICATE THE ADVANCED ENERGY CENTER IN PETALUMA. 
          WE SHOULD HAVE CINEMA CLEAN POWER, COME HERE AND, YOU KNOW, BRING OR, OR BRING PEOPLE THERE OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, ANNUAL BUS TRIP THERE. 
          I THINK THE, WHAT I AM GETTING FROM THIS IS LIKE THE STAKEHOLDER GROUPS, THE IMPORTANCE OF REGULAR AND TIMELY RESOURCES VERSUS LIKE, YOU COULD JUST COME IN OFF THE STREET AND LIKE, HAVE ALL YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED, IS THAT'LL BE GREAT WHEN WE GET THERE. 
          BUT LIKE, THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN FOR A LONG TIME. 
          YOU KNOW? AND IT'S LIKE, OH, 'CAUSE JUST THE, THE COUNTY, THEY'VE BEEN TRYING THIS FOR YEARS. 
          OH, YOU KNOW, GO TO THE WINDSOR REGIONAL PUBLIC LIBRARY AND LEARN ABOUT ENERGY STORAGE. 
          YOU KNOW, I GO TO THOSE THINGS. 
          THERE'S LIKE FIVE PEOPLE THERE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE 20 ON A GOOD NIGHT, YOU KNOW, AND 5% OF THOSE PEOPLE WILL GO AND DO ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, SO LIKE THAT MECHANISM OF HAVING PEOPLE WITH QUESTIONS GO AND SHOW UP AND LIKE, THEY'LL HAVE A MAGIC EXPERIENCE AND GET ALL THEIR ANSWERS SOLVED, IS ASPIRATIONAL. 
          WHAT I THINK PETALUMA HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF IS LIKE, WHEN COOL PETALUMA DID THE RESOURCE FAIR, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE THE CITY STAFF DIDN'T NEED TO KNOW A LICK ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE. 
          THEY NEED TO KNOW, COOL PETALUMA IS HAVING A RESOURCE FAIR AT THE COMMUNITY BUILDING ON THE 15TH. 
          GO THERE. 
          YOU KNOW, I'M SORRY, I CAN'T ANSWER QUESTIONS TODAY. 
          YOU KNOW, SO THAT IS SHOWING UP IN NUMBER SIX AS LIKE THE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE STAKEHOLDER GROUPS AND LIKE THE SHARING OF RESOURCES AND INFORMATION, THE STAFFING PIECE OF IT, I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT. 
          UM, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, I CERTAINLY THINK THERE SHOULD BE MORE FREQUENT AND BETTER, UH, COED LUMA RESOURCE 
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FAIRS. 
          AND SO IF WE CAN ADVOCATE THAT AS A CORNERSTONE ACTION, OR AT LEAST MODIFY THAT AND MAYBE IN A FLEXIBLE WAY, LIKE I THINK THOSE THINGS ARE GREAT. 
          I THINK MORE INTERNAL KNOWLEDGE ABOUT HOW THE STAFF CAN SHARE WHAT, YOU KNOW, RESOURCES EXIST, I THINK IS, IS APPROPRIATE. 
          UM, COUNCIL, JUST TO RESPOND, OH, GO AHEAD. 
          SORRY. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I PRETTY MUCH AGREE. 
          IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A RESOURCE CENTER. 
          IT COSTS A LITTLE MONEY. 
          IF WE CAN TALK SONOMA, UH, CLEAN POWER INTO ACTUALLY TAKING CARE OF IT AND DOING IT FOR US, THAT'D BE GREAT. 
          BUT IF WE HAVE TO DO IT OURSELVES, PAY FOR IT OURSELVES. 
          I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          MAYBE THERE'S OTHER WAYS MORE, UM, UH, POPUPS, UM, ON, ON A REGULAR BASIS, UM, MIGHT WORK. 
          AND, AND LOT OF FACE-TO-FACE IS NECESSARY FOR, AT LEAST FOR THAT PART. 
          BUT IT ALSO NEEDS TO BE SUPPORTED WITH, UM, A PERMANENT DATABASE SOMEWHERE THAT'S EASILY ACCESSIBLE, NOT, AND IT HAS TO BE PETALUMA SPECIFIC. 
          SO I'VE BEEN TALKING TO, AS I'M GOING THROUGH MY PROCESS, I'M TALKING TO THE PLANNING, UH, DEPARTMENT AND BUILDING, UM, ABOUT SOME, UH, THEY HAVE AN ONLINE PERMIT, AND THERE WAS TO DO A LOT OF THIS WORK, YOU HAVE TO GET A PERMIT TO DO SOMETHING AT YOUR HOUSE. 
          AND SO I'M TALKING TO THEM ABOUT, OKAY, HOW CAN WE MAKE IT EASIER FOR HOMEOWNERS TO STEP IN, SEE WHAT'S GOING ON, GET THE RIGHT ADVICE TO DO THE THINGS THEY NEED TO DO, AND TO FOLLOW THE CODES AND REGULATIONS TO DO THINGS. 
          AND SO, UM, THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE IT'S A FAIRLY NEW WEBSITE AND IS, UM, UH, RUNNING INTO ROADBLOCKS IN POOR, ALL SORTS OF ISSUES AT THE MOMENT, UM, THAT NEED IMPROVEMENT. 
          BUT THE GOAL WOULD BE, OH, ONCE YOU HAVE A, AN I I WANNA DO SOMETHING, I WANNA UPGRADE MY, MY FURNACE. 
          OKAY, THEN, THEN YOU GO TO A, THE WEB, YOU'D FIND OUT MAYBE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING TO SOMEBODY AT A CENTER AND YOU GET MOTIVATED AND, AND, AND AFTER, OH, OH, THREE MONTHS LATER, OH, I WANNA DO SOMETHING. 
          WELL, THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO GO TO, UH, THE CITY WEBSITE AT LEAST, OR THE CITY BUILDING DEPARTMENT HERE PHYSICALLY, WHO THEN SHOW 'EM, UH, WHAT TO DO. 
          BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE A PLACE ON OUR WEBSITE THAT ALSO HAS ALL THIS INFORMATION AS TO OKAY, IF, UH, VERY SIMPLY, IF, HEY, IF YOU WANNA CHANGE YOUR WATER HEATER, THIS IS, THESE ARE THE STEPS, THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT. 
          AND, AND HERE'S WHERE YOU CAN GO TO GO FIND THE RESOURCES YOU NEED TO GET IT DONE. 
          UH, WHETHER IT BE THE MACHINERY, THE, THE, THE CONTRACTORS DOING IT YOURSELF, WHATEVER. 
          BUT HERE'S, HERE'S A, HERE'S THE, WHAT THE POSSIBILITIES ARE. 
          SO WE NEED TO HAVE BOTH, UM, PEOPLE CONTACT TO MOTIVATE AND TO INSTIGATE AND TO, UM, HELP PEOPLE THINK ABOUT THESE THINGS. 
          BUT THEN THERE NEEDS TO BE THAT PERMANENT DATABASE ONLINE ALSO. 
          SO I'D RECOMMEND BOTH. 
          UH, THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER TRIPS. 
          UH, I, I REALLY DO LOVE THE SENTIMENT OF, AGAIN, WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE, RIGHT? WHICH IS A ONE-STOP SHOP. 
          I MEAN, I, I, I'M CONFUSED BY ALL THE, THE REBATES AND IT'S ALWAYS CHANGING. 
          AND LIKE SOME REBATES ARE ENDING, SOME ARE STARTING. 
          I MEAN, IT IS DEFINITELY CONFUSING. 
          AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, MY, IN MY COMMENTS, I'M ACKNOWLEDGING THE INTENTION AGAIN OF LIKE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE THIS EASIER FOR FOLKS LIKE COUNCILMAN RIVERS IS SAYING. 
          AND, UM, I THINK THERE, YEAH, THERE ARE OTHER WAYS WE CAN ACCOMPLISH THIS. 
          UM, BAY RAN IS ACTUALLY, UH, CREATING A POSITION CALLED AN ENERGY CONCIERGE, WHICH IS PRETTY COOL. 
          AND THAT'S THAT WHOLE CONCEPT OF LIKE, THEY'RE GONNA KNOW ALL THIS STUFF FOR US, RIGHT? UM, I DO AGREE THAT AT THE CITY LEVEL, UM, HAVING, CHANGING THE MINDSET OF HOW PERMITTING AND PLANNING, UH, SORRY, UH, PLANNING AND BUILDING PERMITTING WORKS AND HOW THEY APPROACH PEOPLE THAT WANT TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS TO MAKE IT EASIER. 
          DEFINITELY A GOOD GOAL. 
          UM, AND I KNOW THIS DOESN'T REALLY FIT ANYWHERE WITHIN, UH, THE, THESE ITEMS, BUT I DO WANNA SPEAK TO JUST SOMETHING THAT COUNCILMAN TRO TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, WHICH IS ON THE PROCESS, UM, THE STREAMLINING IS, IS SOMETHING SUPER, SUPER CRITICAL HERE. 
          I I JUST, I, I CAN'T EMPHASIZE THAT ENOUGH. 
          IF YOU WANT TO GO GET A, A BUILDING PERMIT, UM, ESPECIALLY ANYTHING CLIMATE RELATED, THAT SHOULD BE THE EASIEST PERMIT YOU GET, THAT SHOULD BE THE CHEAPEST PERMIT YOU GET, THAT SHOULD PROBABLY ZERO BE. 
          SO CITY OF SAN HELENA IMPLEMENTED SOMETHING CALLED A PERMIT SALE. 
          SO IF YOU WANTED TO UPGRADE YOUR WINDOWS, YOU WANTED TO GET A HEAT PUMP, WATER HEATER, YOU WANNA DO ANY OF THESE THINGS, THOSE PERMITS ARE CHEAPER THAN THEY, THAN THEY OTHERWISE WOULD BE. 
          UM, AND LET'S, AND THERE'S OTHER PLANNING PROCESSES. 
          SO LET'S SAY YOU WANT TO, AND I, I WENT THROUGH THIS IN SAN JOSE. 
          I HAD A BUILDING THAT WAS TRYING TO GET A HEAT PUMP HVAC, AND THEY LIVED IN A HISTORICAL DISTRICT. 
          SO NOW THAT PROJECT HAD TO GO THROUGH THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION, AND YOU THINK ABOUT WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, RETROFIT EVERYBODY'S GAS EQUIPMENT TO, UH, ELECTRIC AND 
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HOW MUCH TIME IS IT GONNA TAKE TO GO THROUGH THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION HERE IN PETALUMA, WE'VE GOT HISTORICAL DISTRICT, RIGHT? THAT SHOULDN'T BE AN IMPEDIMENT, RIGHT? SO STREAMLINING PERMIT PROCESSES, UM, AND I THINK IS SOMETHING THAT I'D REALLY LOVE TO SEE, UM, AND LOVE TO WORK ON WITH CITI, BUT THAT WAS A DIGRESSION, I APOLOGIZE. 
          BUT, UM, IN GENERAL, UM, I THINK THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO TACKLE THIS VERY IMPORTANT PROBLEM THAT THE AD HOC POINTED OUT, WHICH IS A, UH, MORE OF A CENTRALIZED INFORMATION SYSTEM AND EASE OF USE FOR, UH, THE PUBLIC AND ESPECIALLY CONTRACTORS WHO ARE GONNA BE GUIDING, UH, THE, THE PUBLIC, UH, THROUGH THIS PROCESS. 
          THANKS. 
          UM, I'D JUST LIKE TO ADD, UM, WHAT WAS JUST SAID, UM, FOR BRICK AND MORTAR, ACTUALLY THERE IS TWO PLACES THAT THE BRICK AND MORTAR ALREADY EXISTS, WE WOULDN'T NEED TO ADD. 
          AND IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TRAINING THE FOLKS AT THESE TWO. 
          ONE IS THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT ALREADY HAS AN OFFICE HERE AT CITY HALL, BUT THE OTHER, WE HAVE A VISITOR CENTER WITH PEOPLE OR STAFFING IT, UH, DURING THE DAY THE WHOLE TIME. 
          SO IF, UM, THE VISITOR STAFF COULD ALSO HAVE TRAINING AND HAVE ACCESS TO HELP MOTIVATE FOLKS, WE ALREADY HAVE A PLACE FOR FOLKS TO GO TO ON A REGULAR BASIS THAT'S OPEN DURING THE DAY. 
          SO WE COULD ACTUALLY JUST ADD A, UM, A HAVE ONE OF THEIR STAFF PEOPLE OR THEIR, UH, THE FOLKS THAT DO, MAN, THE STATIONS THERE HAVE THE ABILITY TO, UH, AT LEAST DIRECT GUIDE AND MOTIVATE AND DO THINGS THAT MIGHT BE A, UH, A THING THAT, BESIDES VISITING, HEY, ITS RESIDENTS ALSO CAN BE THERE TO DO THINGS. 
          THAT'D BE ANOTHER PLACE TO PUT IT. 
          I'LL JUST RESPOND THAT. 
          BUT, UM, SAY IN PARTNERSHIP AND IN HERE, WE WERE EXPECTING THAT LIKE PEOPLE  THIS AND NOT THAT ONE PERSON DO EVERYTHING, BUT THAT ONE PERSON HAS BE LIKE AN HOUR LONG TRAINING, OR, OH, THERE'S THIS BIG, YOU WANNA DO A HOT WATER DRINK, MEAN EVERYTHING OUT THERE. 
          I WAS JUST GONNA ADD THAT TOO, THAT WE, IT SAYS STAFF, BUT IT DIDN'T MEAN CITY STAFF NECESSARILY, THOUGH. 
          I THINK THAT THERE ARE CERTAINLY THINGS THAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT COULD DO TO GET THAT INFORMATION OUT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, IN PARTNERSHIP, I THINK WAS THE IDEA, YOU KNOW? OKAY. 
          I, I THINK WE CAN, UH, COVER NUMBER SEVEN QUICKLY AND THEN TAKE A BIO BREAK. 
          YOU KNOW, I WILL, I'LL GET ONE MORE BITE AT THE APPLE ON NUMBER SIX, JUST MORE OF A THOUGHT EXPERIMENT. 
          THE, THE, THE SCALING UP OF ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE SOMEWHAT REQUIRES THE GROUPING OF CERTAIN ACTIONS TO OCCUR. 
          AND LIKE, WHILE WE ARE AT SUCH A LOW LEVEL OF BUILDING RETROFITS HERE IN THE CITY, THAT IT MAKES SENSE TO LIKE, HEY, HAVE SOMEONE DROP IN AND LIKE, THAT MAKES SENSE NOW, BUT LIKE IN A SCALING FUNCTION, THAT WILL NOT MAKE SENSE. 
          AND SO THINGS LIKE ORGANIZED RESOURCE FAIR WHERE CONTRACTORS MEET 10 PEOPLE AND CAN SIGN FIVE CONTRACTS, LIKE WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT A SCALING UP THE ORDER OF MAGNITUDE OF OUR RETROFIT EFFORTS. 
          AND THERE'S STUDIES ON LIKE, HOW TO BEST DO THAT. 
          AND CERTAINLY STARTING YOU TO SCALE, YOU NEED TO START AND GET THAT. 
          BUT LIKE I, IN THE LONG RUN, HAVING SOMEONE AT THE VISITOR CENTER THAT LIKE, YOU KNOW, IS GONNA COME AND ANY HOMEOWNER LIKE DROP INTO THE VISITOR CENTER IS, THAT'S NOT LIKE, HOW DO WE GET EVERYONE ON OUR BLOCK TO DO THIS? YOU KNOW, THAT'S, WE JUST, I AGREE, WE NEED TO START THERE, BUT WE NEED TO SET OUR AMBITIONS SOMEWHAT HIGHER THAN THAT, THAT LIKE ONE PERSON AT THE LIBRARY CAN HELP. 
          AND YOU KNOW, I GUESS NUMBER SEVEN, I, I LIKE IT. 
          I THINK IT'S TRYING TO ELEVATE CONSUMPTION BASED EMISSIONS. 
          UM, I PERSONALLY THINK THAT LIKE CONSUMPTION BASED EMISSIONS KIND OF SOUNDS LIKE A BAD WORD. 
          AND LIKE PEOPLE WHEN THEY READ IT, THEY'RE LIKE, OH MY GOD, I HAVE TO CONSUME THINGS AND IT'S TERRIBLE. 
          AND SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CHANGE THAT OR HOW WE MAKE THAT A LITTLE BIT, UH, MORE POSITIVE. 
          AND MAYBE PART OF IT IS JUST HAVING A CORNERSTONE ACTION AROUND SOMETHING THAT'S SO DIFFICULT. 
          UM, BUT I, THIS IS ONE WHERE MAYBE LIKE THE AI LANGUAGE GENERATOR COULD REALLY, YOU KNOW, USE SOME TURNS BECAUSE LIKE, YOU READ THAT AND YOU'RE LIKE, OH MY GOD, LET'S TELL, LET'S DO A REALLY EXCELLENT JOB OF TELLING PEOPLE HOW TERRIBLE THEY ARE, YOU KNOW? AND 
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SO ANYWAY, I DUNNO IF THE AD HOC IS ANYTHING TO COMMENT, BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M WEARY OF PUTTING THIS HIGH ON THE LIST OF ACTIONS, EVEN THOUGH IT IS SO IMPORTANT. 
          YOU KNOW, LIKE I JUST TAKE A QUICK, LIKE, IMPLEMENT A ROBUST CAMPAIGN TO TELL PEOPLE ALL THE FUN AND EASY WAYS THEY CAN REDUCE THEIR CONSUMPTION BASED EMISSIONS. 
          YOU KNOW, LIKE, OKAY, LIKE, LET'S HAVE A PARTY AND I'LL TALK ABOUT DOING, HAVING LESS PARTIES. 
          UM, WELL, I THINK, I THINK YOU MAKE A REALLY GOOD POINT THAT, I MEAN, THIS, THIS IS A TECHNICAL LANGUAGE THAT WE ALL USE SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT IT'S NOT PUBLIC FACING LANGUAGE, RIGHT? LIKE, I MEAN, THESE ARE SORT OF CLIMATE ACTIONS YOU CAN TAKE TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE, RIGHT? MM-HMM. 
          , I MEAN, THIS IS, I THINK WHAT WE'RE AFTER. 
          HOW DO WE MAKE A MORE LIVABLE FUTURE FOR OURSELVES AND OUR CHILDREN? BUT YEAH, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU. 
          I MEAN, CONSUMPTION IN, UM, BRITISH LITERATURE OF A CENTURY AGO MEANT TUBERCULOSIS. 
          IT'S A REALLY UNAPPEALING WORD, , SO, YEAH. 
          I, I REACT EVERY TIME. 
          I HEAR IT TOO, BEN, I'M TOTALLY WITH YOU ON THAT. 
          . 
          UM, AND I WOULD SAY THIS IS, I MEAN, REASONABLY CONSISTENT WITH THE BLUEPRINT. 
          IT'S IN THE GOODS AND SERVICES CHAPTER, IT'S ALREADY AN ACTION IN THERE. 
          AND THIS IS JUST LIFTING IT UP AS A CORNERSTONE ACTION. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T SEE IT AS A, A BIG CHANGE FROM WHAT WE, WHAT WE DID PROPOSED. 
          THERE'S A TERM AS A, I WAS GOING THROUGH ALL THE TINY HOUSE, UM, UM, VIDEOS AND, AND, UM, UM, WEBINARS. 
          SO, AND ONE OF THE THINGS IS YOU, YOU, THEY HAD A HAT YOU COULD GET, AND ON THE HAT IS THIS SLOGAN LIVES SMALL. 
          SO, UM, SO IF YOU SAY, HEY, HEY, TEACH PEOPLE HOW TO LIVE SMALL, UM, IN FACT THAT'S, IT'S WHAT LIKE A MOTTO I'D LIKE TO SEE PROMOTED HIGHER, UM, HERE TO, TO LIVING SMALL IN ULCERS DIFFERENT WAYS. 
          SO USING THAT AS A, AS A MODEL IN OUR LANGUAGE, INSTEAD OF A CONSUMPTION BASED, UH, UM, EMISSIONS TYPE THINGS. 
          JUST LEARN TO LIVE SMALL, UM, MIGHT BE A MORE POSITIVE APPROACH. 
          I THINK WE'RE OKAY ON THAT. 
          CAN I MAKE ONE, ONE QUICK COMMENT BEFORE WE GO TO BREAK, UH, TO COMMISSIONER, UH, PETER'S QUESTION EARLIER. 
          THERE ARE, UM, I THINK TWO THINGS LEFT OFF OF THE AD HOC LIST THAT I'LL JUST SAY NOW AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THEM LATER, UM, THAT ARE IN THE CORNERSTONE ACTIONS IN THE BLUEPRINT. 
          UM, THE FIRST SET RELATES PRIMARILY TO TRANSPORTATION DEMAND MEASURES. 
          SO EITHER THAT'S TRANSPORTATION, DEMAND MANAGEMENT, AND ALSO PARKING AND PARKING PRICING MEASURES. 
          AND THOSE ARE TWO IMPORTANT WAYS TO HAVE PEOPLE SHIFT TOWARDS NON-AUTO MODES. 
          SO THAT'S ONE. 
          AND THEN THE SECOND IS, UM, THERE'S A SE SERIES OF MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS MEASURES THAT HAVE BEEN TAKEN OFF THE, THAT ARE NOT ON THAT LIST OF THE AD HOC, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          AND THOSE ARE THINGS AROUND ELECTRIFICATION OF THE TRANSIT FLEET, UH, THE FULL, UM, FLEET ITSELF, UM, ENERGY AUDITS OF BUILDINGS AND THEIR IMPLEMENTATION, UM, UPGRADES TO THINGS LIKE THE CORP YARD FOR PETALUMA TRANSIT SO THEY CAN ELECTRIFY THEIR FLEETS. 
          UM, AND THEN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, UH, PLAN ALIGNMENT WITH THE CARBON NEUTRALITY GOALS. 
          SO THOSE ARE A FEW OF THE THINGS THAT A DIFFERENCES, AND I THINK THEY'RE PRIMARILY IN THOSE TWO BUCKETS OVERALL. 
          UM, AND THAT'S JUST SOMETHING FOR YOU TO THINK ABOUT AS WE TAKE OUR, AS WE TAKE OUR BREAK. 
          SO, UM, ERIC, TO ADDRESS THE SECOND ONE, UM, I THINK WE SORT OF VIEWED OUR CITY LEADERSHIP MEASURES AS KIND OF AN UMBRELLA THAT WOULD SIT OVER SOME OF THOSE. 
          IN OTHER WORDS THAT THERE'S KIND OF A POLICY PIECE OF THE CITY. 
          UM, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE WERE A COUPLE THINGS IN CITY MEASURES THAT WERE MAYBE LESS A LITTLE BIT SETTING THE BAR A LITTLE BIT LOWER FOR THE CITY THAN FOR THE PUBLIC. 
          AND SO WE WERE BASICALLY LIKE, WELL, NO, WE WANT THE CITY TO SET THE BAR AT A MINIMUM AT THE SAME LEVEL AS FOR THE PUBLIC, AND IDEALLY A LITTLE BIT HIGHER. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, YOU KNOW, SOONER ACTION. 
          SO THAT'S NOT SPEAKING SO MUCH TO THE SPECIFICS, BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE PRINCIPLE THERE OF SORT OF LAYING THAT GROUNDWORK OF, NO, WE WANNA SEE THE CITY TAKE LEADERSHIP AND SHOW THAT TO THE PUBLIC, UM, THROUGH SOME OF THOSE THINGS. 
          BUT, UM, THAT THE, THE OVERARCHING PIECE WAS BEING WILLING TO STEP OUT AND DO THAT. 
          INTRODUCE THE MEATY ONE RIGHT BEFORE THE BREAK. 
          , I WILL SAY ON, YOU KNOW, THE, ON THE SECOND ONE, THE MUNICIPAL PIECE I GET ON THE TRANSPORTATION DEMAND MANAGEMENT AND PARKING, THAT IS MY NUMBER ONE PRIORITY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO I DO THINK WE HAD A LIST OF 19, AND IF WE HAVE SPOT FOR ONE MORE TO 
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MAKE IT A NICE ROUND 20 THAT WE CAN GET THE PARKING BACK IN THERE AS AN ANECDOTE BEFORE WE LEAVE. 
          UH, AT THE PAC MEETING WHERE THEY TALKED ABOUT CLIMATE ADAPTATION, THE HEAD OF THE COUNTY'S BICYCLE COALITION HAD A NICE SPEECH AND AT THE END THEY SAY, WAIT, PETALUMA DOESN'T EVEN CHARGE FOR PARKING. 
           CHARGE FOR PARKING FIRST. 
          AND THEN THE BIKE ACTION WILL COME FROM THAT. 
          SO I CERTAINLY WILL NOT LEAVE THIS SEAT WITHOUT HAVING PARKING BE A NESTED ELEMENT OF A CORNERSTONE ACTION. 
          SO WITH THAT, I, WE WANT FIVE MINUTES, 10 MINUTES. 
          WHAT DO, WHAT DO WE GOT HERE? IT'S 8 36. 
          IF WE SAY FIVE, IT'LL BE SEVEN. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, YEAH, LET'S RETURN AT 8 45. 
          READY TO GO. 
          OKAY. 
          WE ARE RESUMED FROM RECESS AT 8 49. 
          UM, I THINK IN THE INTEREST OF TIME MANAGEMENT FOR THIS MEETING AND THE NEXT COUPLE MEETINGS, IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO HAVE A PROCESS AND TIMELINE CONVERSATION ALSO, WHILE WE STILL HAVE RIHANNA HERE, WHO HAS DONE SUCH A GOOD JOB OF SHEPHERDING US. 
          SO, UM, I GUESS THE FIRST BROAD TOPIC IS THE TIMELINE. 
          AND IF WE ARE STILL TRYING TO OPERATE ON THAT TIMELINE, AND IF THIS MEETING WILL, UM, COMMENCE THE SECOND PART OF THIS MEETING, WE'LL COMMENCE AT THE NEXT MEETING AND WE WILL STILL BE PREPARED TO HAVE A FINAL CONVERSATION IN MARCH TO ADOPT SOMETHING. 
          OR IF THAT TIMELINE IS NOW, UM, UP IN THE AIR, YOU CAN DIRECTLY TO YOU RIHANNA, BUT DO YOU WANT ME TO KICK IT OFF? OKAY. 
          UM, SO OUR, WE ARE, OUR TIMELINE IS ADJUSTING. 
          UM, SO WE HAVE YOU, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY COMMENTS, YOU KNOW, HAVE COME IN SO FAR. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, TREE ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS TALKING ABOUT THE BLUEPRINT NEXT WEEK. 
          I THINK PBAC JUST DID, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE KIND OF GATHERING IT. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO SCHEDULE, UM, WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, TO HAVE INITIAL COMMENTS FROM THEM BEFORE THE, THE BLUEPRINT WILL GO TO THEM AS PART OF COME TO CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION PLANNING COMMISSION THEN CITY COUNCIL, BUT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO HAVE, UM, FEEDBACK PRIOR TO JUST SEEING THE DOCUMENT TO RECOMMEND ON. 
          SO WE'RE, UH, WE'RE ADJUSTING OUR TIMELINE A LITTLE BIT. 
          UM, AND I DON'T HAVE A CONCRETE ANSWER TO YOU BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS AND WE HAVE TO, UM, AND JUST LIKE THE AD HOC COMMENTS AND THE DISCUSSION TODAY, WE NEED TO GO BACK AND FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WE NEED TO ADJUST AND HOW TO ADJUST IT. 
          AND, UH, IF WE'RE REALLY GONNA LOOK AT CUTTING 75% OF THE DOCUMENT, HOW IN THE WORLD DO WE DO THAT? SO I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW. 
          UM, THERE'S NOT, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S NOT A LIKE STATUTORY REQUIREMENT. 
          IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE, THIS IS THE HOUSING ELEMENT AND WE HAVE TO HIT A CERTAIN DATE. 
          AT THE SAME TIME WE WERE PULLING THIS UP AHEAD OF, BECAUSE THIS IS AN URGENT, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSION AND, AND MATTER THAT WE WANNA GET THIS OUT AS SOON AS WE CAN. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A SATISFYING ANSWER, BUT IT'S AN HONEST ONE. 
          YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S, I MEAN THE, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST THING THAT COMES TO MY MIND IS WE SHOULD PROBABLY AGENDIZE, UM, ADDITIONAL TOPICS FOR FUTURE MEETINGS. 
          IT'S LIKE, IF WE ARE CONTINUING TO JUST TALK ABOUT THESE 19 THINGS FOR THE NEXT FOUR MONTHS, THEN WE WILL ONLY BE MAKING PROGRESS ON THIS ONE THING. 
          AND SO THAT KIND OF HAD BEEN THE APPROACH OF THIS BODY, LIKE, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA FOCUS ON GETTING THIS BLUEPRINT DONE AND THEN WORKING ON SOMETHING ELSE AFTER THAT. 
          AND I WOULD SAY AFTER HEARING THAT, WE SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT ADDITIONAL THINGS WE CAN WORK ON SO THAT WE ARE NOT CONTINUALLY ONLY TALKING ABOUT THIS SAME DOCUMENT FOR SIX MONTHS. 
          OH, YOU MEAN SEPARATE FROM SEPARATE FROM THE DOCUMENT. 
          JUST AS AS, OKAY. 
          I WAS LIKE, I DO KIND OF WANT COMMENTS AT SOME POINT TO KIND OF STOP SO WE CAN ACTUALLY GET OUR ARMS AROUND IT AND FIGURE OUT NEXT STEPS. 
          BUT I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS SINCE IT MIGHT TAKE LONGER, YOU AS A COMMISSION MIGHT WANNA TALK ABOUT YOUR OTHER PRIORITIES. 
          GOT IT. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          MM-HMM. 
           AND LIKE HAVING AN AGENDIZED TOPIC FOR THE NEXT MEETING TO BE, WHAT ARE OUR PRIORITIES FOR 2024? SEEMS REASONABLE. 
          YOU KNOW, THIS NOW BEING A 
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SOMEWHAT, YEAH. 
          LESS TIME SENSITIVE. 
          UM, YEAH. 
          SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO, YEAH. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER SHRIVES. 
          OKAY. 
          TWO THINGS ON, UM, JUST THIS DOCUMENT, EVEN THOUGH IT IS 19 ITEMS. UM, BUT A CONTINUOUS REVIEW, BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS GONNA BE THE BUSINESS OF THIS COMMITTEE, UH, FOR THIS WHOLE YEAR PRETTY MUCH IS JUST FOCUSING ON THIS AND FIG AND WHAT ACTIONS TO TAKE FIRST, WHAT TO PUSH FORWARD, WHAT ARE THE DETAILS, UM, UH, OF ALL THE A HUNDRED PAGES PLUS WHAT DETAILS ARE THERE AND, AND CONTINUOUSLY, UH, POKING AT IT AND LOOKING AT THE REVIEWS BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF INPUT. 
          THEY'RE GONNA COME UP WITH A NEW REVISION HERE AS SOON AS THEY CAN, WHICH THEN HAS TO BE REVIEWED AGAIN. 
          BUT IF WE JUST KEEP POKING AT THIS THING AND THROUGH THE WHOLE CONTINUOUS DRAFTING, WHETHER IT BE THREE OR FOUR DRAFTS BEFORE WE'RE DONE WITH THIS. 
          'CAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH INPUT GOING ON RIGHT NOW WITH SO MANY DIFFERENT PEOPLE. 
          SO TRYING TO PUT IT ALL TOGETHER. 
          VERY DIFFICULT TASK IN FRONT OF, UH, THE PLANNING FOLKS AND, AND REMY TO, TO MAKE THIS ALL HAPPEN. 
          UM, SO JUST I THINK FOR THE NEXT TWO MEETINGS, THIS, THIS PROBABLY COULD EASILY COVER THE NEXT TWO FOR SURE. 
          AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE DO IS, IS THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING ANYWAY, RIGHT? UM, SO THAT'S ONE COMMENT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE. 
          AND THEN THE SECOND ONE WAS ON THE 50 PAGES. 
          I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD WORRY ABOUT THE 50 PAGES THING MYSELF. 
          UM, I'VE READ LOTS OF LARGE DOCUMENTS FROM GOVERNMENTS AND, UM, WHEN THEY START GOING OVER A HUNDRED PAGES, THEN WHAT THEY USUALLY DO IS THEY ADD IN TWO THINGS. 
          THEY ADD IN EXECUTIVE SUMMARY, THAT'S ONE TO TWO, MAYBE TWO, MAYBE FOUR PAGES AT MOST EXECUTIVE SUMMARY. 
          BUT THEN THERE IS A 10 TO 15 PAGE SUMMARY FOR GENERAL CONSUMPTION. 
          AND SO IF WE JUST HAVE, I'D RATHER SEE A MORE COMPLETE TOTAL DOCUMENT, WHETHER IT'S A HUNDRED, 200 PAGES, THAT'S FINE WITH ME AS LONG AS IT'S TOTAL AND COMPLETE. 
          BUT THERE REALLY IS, IT'S GONNA BE THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY AS HERE'S THE FIVE TOP POINTS AND THEN THE REGULAR SUMMARY FOR EVERYBODY, WHICH IS VERY PICTORIAL ON THAT. 
          JUST SO THAT THAT'S THE READABLE PART. 
          AND THEN THERE'S THE, ALRIGHT, HERE'S THE DETAILS FOLKS, NUTS AND BOLTS IF YOU REALLY WANT TO GET INTO IT. 
          AND THAT'S THE 200 PAGES, WHATEVER IT IS. 
          SO I THINK THERE'S A WAY AROUND IT THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO SAY 50 PAGES EXACTLY. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S WAYS AROUND THAT. 
          UM, SO IF WE CAN GO IN THAT DIRECTION AND THEN AT SOME POINT, UM, MAYBE NOW I'D JUST LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND COMMENT ON THE, UM, JUST A WHOLE APPROACH, UM, THAT, THAT'S GOING THROUGH HERE. 
          IT'S JUST, I, I JUST HAVE TO DO THIS. 
          UM, I'M LOOKING AT HOW THE ORGANIZATION AND, AND WHERE IT'S GOING THROUGH AND, AND HOW WE'RE THE STEP-WISE. 
          AND, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD LIKE EVERYONE TO THINK ABOUT IS, UM, UH, THERE IS A NEED TO DIVIDE IT UP INTO LIKE THREE SECTIONS. 
          UM, ONE IS WHAT CAN THE CITY DO BY THE CITY, FOR THE CITY AND WITH ITS OWN POWERS THAT BE, SO CITY ACTIONS PRETTY SMALL AND EVERYTHING THAT'S ALREADY BEEN STATED, THAT'S NOT A REALLY LARGE THING. 
          ANOTHER THING IS TO ENABLE CHANGE BY CITIZENS. 
          THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER CATEGORY, ENABLING CHANGE. 
          SO HOW CAN WE ENABLE CHANGE? UM, AND THAT WOULD BE A SEPARATE CATEGORY WE COULD LOOK AT BESIDES THE ONES WE HAVE NOW, EVEN IN TRANSPORTATION AND THE LIKE. 
          AND THE THIRD CATEGORY IS CREATING SYSTEMIC EFFICIENCIES. 
          AND IF YOU CREATE SYSTEMIC EFFICIENCIES, THAT MEANS EVERYBODY WILL BENEFIT TOGETHER. 
          AND SOME THINGS COULD BE CATEGORIZED IN THAT. 
          AND THAT BE LIKE ADAPTATION COULD BE INCLUDED IN THERE AS EXAMPLES. 
          UM, FOR, ON MY CONCEPT OF, OF LIVING SMALL EVERYTHING. 
          SO IF WE WANT TO, UH, THERE'S THINGS WE CAN DO ON TRANSPORT THAT THE CITY CAN DO ITSELF, BUT THERE'S THINGS THAT WE CAN DO ON TRANSPORT THAT WOULD ENHANCE, UH, CITIZENS TO ACTUALLY TAKE THEIR OWN ACTIONS. 
          AND THEN THERE, AND, AND THEN WE COULD DO SYSTEMICALLY TO HELP EVERYBODY, UH, TO, TO BE BETTER TRANSPORTERS OF GOODS AND THINGS. 
          SO, UM, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO FOR HOUSING COULD BE DONE SIMILARLY, SAME THING. 
          GOODS, UH, GOODS AND CONSUMPTION AND THEN LIVABILITY. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE FOUR CATEGORIES THAT I DIVIDED THINGS OUT IN. 
          TRANSPORTATION, HOUSING, GOODS, CONSUMPTIONS, AND THEN LIVABILITY. 
          UM, AND SO IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE CATEGORIES AS A SLIGHT SHIFT FROM WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW OR RE REORGANIZED IN THAT WAY, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE MORE COMPREHENSIBLE TO ME. 
          AND I THINK TO THE PUBLIC. 
          I'M JUST THROWING THAT AS, AS IDEAS NOW AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S THE COMMENTS I JUST WANTED TO MAKE AT THE MOMENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SORRY FOR COMING IN. 
          UM, I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          I THINK THE LIKE TOPIC THAT REMINDS ME OF THE AD HOC, LIKE HAD SOME COMMENTS AROUND THE STRUCTURE OF THE DOCUMENT AND I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY ADDRESS HOW THINGS ARE STRUCTURED. 
          MAYBE AFTER GETTING MORE FEEDBACK, I THINK, LIKE I CERTAINLY DO REALLY AGREE THAT WE SHOULD HIGHLIGHT 
          [02:15:01]
WHAT THE CITY CAN CONTROL WITH ITS OWN JURISDICTION AND WITH ITS OWN EFFORTS. 
          I THINK MOST CITIES, CLIMATE ACTION PLANS ARE EXCLUSIVELY FOCUSED ON THAT AND OURS IS TAKING A MUCH WIDER LENS. 
          SO I DO AGREE WE SHOULD HAVE A SECTION OR WAY TO CALL OUT THE CITY'S JURISDICTIONAL EFFORTS. 
          AND THEN I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WAYS TO DO GROUPINGS. 
          YOU KNOW, THEY HAD PROPOSED GROUPINGS YOU WERE PROPOSING, LIKE CHANGING THE NAME OF SOME OF THE GROUPINGS. 
          I, UM, I THINK WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AND MAYBE AT A LATER DATE, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE LIKE AF WHEN THE DRAFT IS DONE OR SOMETHING. 
          I DON'T, I CERTAINLY DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE GROUPINGS NOW, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, AND THEN AS FAR AS LIKE PROCESS FOR THE REST OF THE MEETING, I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE HAVE PARTICULAR THOUGHTS. 
          I KNOW WHILE WE HAVE THESE TWO, UM, HIGHLY ESTEEMED GUESTS HERE, WHICH WE GET RARELY, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE BEST TO HEAR FROM THEM, LIKE WHAT THEY THINK IS THE MOST IMPORTANT TO COVER AND GET FEEDBACK ON AND WE CAN RESPOND TO THAT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY THINGS WE HAVEN'T COVERED YET THAT WE SHOULD ADD TO THAT LIST. 
          I WAS JUST GONNA SUGGEST THAT WE, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE GOING THROUGH THE LIST JUST NUMERICALLY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, UM, AND THEN MY ASSUMPTION IS, IS THAT WE'LL CAN GET HALFWAY THROUGH IT UHHUH TONIGHT AND THEN YEAH. 
          ARE, ARE YOU GUYS PLANNING ON COMING TO THE NEXT MEETING, I GUESS IS THAT IT'S SORT OF IMPLIED THAT IF WE DO HALF NOW THAT THEY COME BACK, QUESTION IS, IS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN TRY AND RUSH THROUGH IT TONIGHT OR WE CAN GET HALFWAY THROUGH IT AND THEN DO THE SECOND HALF. 
          UM, I, I JUST DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA GET TO A VOTE ON, ON APPROVING THE  TONIGHT. 
          YEAH, I JUST, SOME, SOME OF THE THINGS LIKE THE BUS PASS THING, LIKE WE DON'T NEED THEM HERE FOR, YOU KNOW, SO GOING SEQUENTIALLY IS, WELL, MAYBE WE COULD TRY TO JUST GO THROUGH 'EM, BUT LIKE, UH, IF WE DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, JUST KIND OF SAYING WE DON'T HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS OR, UM, WE WERE JUST KIND OF TALKING ABOUT, IT MIGHT BE A GOOD EXERCISE FOR US TO LIKE FOCUS ON UPDATING THE CORNERSTONE ACTIONS AND MAYBE BRINGING THOSE BACK. 
          I DON'T THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO IT BY YOUR NEXT MEETING, BUT THAT MIGHT, THAT MIGHT BE ONE APPROACH WHEN WE'RE STARTING TO THINK ABOUT HOW TO ORGANIZE IT OR HOW TO KIND OF CHECK BACK LIKE, IS THIS, DID WE HEAR THIS RIGHT? DID WE, YOU KNOW, DID WE CAPTURE IT? UM, 'CAUSE THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF DIFFERENT COMMENTS MADE. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, SO I, I'D LOVE TO TRY TO GET THROUGH THIS LIST AND KIND OF NUDGE ERIC TO LIKE, FOCUS ON THE QUESTIONS HE HAS ON THE ONES LEFT AND SEE HOW FAR WE GET AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL RECALIBRATE. 
          AND JUST AS A, A PROCESS POINT, WHAT I UNDERSTOOD WE WERE GOING TO DO WAS AS A COMMISSION TO VOTE WHETHER OR NOT TO APPROVE THE CORNERSTONE ACTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED BY THE AD HOC. 
          SO THAT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT PROCESS FOR, FOR THE RAMEY TO TAKE, YOU KNOW, THE CORNERSTONE ACTIONS AND MODIFY THEM AND BRING THEM BACK. 
          SO I THINK WE HAVE TO DECIDE THAT, 'CAUSE THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE WERE GONNA DO WAS TO ACTUALLY MODIFY THEM AS A COMMISSION AND THEN MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION AND THEN LET RAMEY WORK WITH IT. 
          AND I, AND I, AND THE REASON WHY I'M BRINGING IT UP IS 'CAUSE WE HAVE HEARD A FAIR AMOUNT OF CROSSTALK AND LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT PRIORITIES AND STUFF. 
          AND SO I FEEL LIKE THE THREE OF US MADE A VERY FOCUS AND EFFORT TO REALLY BOIL SOMETHING DOWN AND CREATE A STATEMENT OF PRIORITIES. 
          AND WE WANNA INCORPORATE THE PRIORITIES THAT WE'RE HEARING FROM THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS AND NOT WANDER TO FAR AFIELD FROM, YOU KNOW, 20 OR WHATEVER NUMBER OF CORNERSTONE ACTIONS. 
          SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF AS A COMMISSION WE SHOULD DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GONNA VOTE TO APPROVE A NUMBER OF CORNERSTONE ACTIONS THAT THE AD HOC HAS CREATED OR WE'RE GONNA, UM, HAVE RAMEY DO THAT AND COME BACK. 
          'CAUSE I'M NOT SURE THAT'S GONNA BE AN EASIER PROCESS TO BE HONEST, UH, THAT THERE'S A TIME ELEMENT TOO. 
          I MEAN, HEATHER, YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T THINK YOU COULD COME BACK FOR THE NEXT MEETING. 
          I THINK WE PROBABLY COULD YEAH. 
          COME BACK TO THE NEXT MEETING WITH ANOTHER VERSION THAT INCORPORATED WHAT WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT, INCLUDING YOUR OWN INPUT. 
          UM, AND I THINK WE COULD ALSO AS THE AD HOC MAKE OUR SAY SELVES AVAILABLE TO YOU GUYS, UM, FOR WHATEVER QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATIONS THAT YOU MAYBE WON'T BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH TONIGHT SO THAT WE COULD CONTINUE TO PROCESS THOSE. 
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AND UM, FOR OUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WHO AREN'T ON THE AD HOC, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE DO THAT. 
          UM, WE'D COME, WE'D BRING IT BACK TO THE NEXT MEETING. 
          I MEAN, SO BASICALLY BRING BACK A REVISED RIGHT SET OF CORNERSTONES MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND THE PRINCIPLE BEING THAT THESE ARE THE DRIVERS, YOU KNOW, AND SO IT'S GONNA BE HARD TO GET EVERYONE TO AGREE ON THE LINE BY LINE MODIFICATIONS OF THE DOCUMENT, BUT IF WE CAN AGREE ON WHAT THE MAIN DRIVERS ARE, THAT'LL HELP STRUCTURE THE WHOLE APPROACH AND THE DOCUMENT. 
          AND I GUESS WHAT I WANNA BE CLEAR ON IS, YOU, YOU YOU WILL VOTE THEN UNDER THAT YOU'LL VOTE ON RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE CORNERSTONES THAT THE, THAT LANGUAGE WON'T NECESSARILY, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO DILUTE THE PROCESS OR THE INPUT, BUT THEN WE'RE GONNA TAKE THOSE AND, AND KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF EDITS THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA DO ON THE DAAS. 
          WE'RE GONNA TAKE THOSE, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THOSE, THOSE MIGHT, YOU KNOW, WORDSMITH, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT 'EM INTERNALLY WITH, YOU KNOW, A LARGER GROUP OF STAFF, THAT KIND OF THING. 
          SO THERE'S ALSO, UM, I JUST WANNA LIKE BE REALLY TRANSPARENT THAT THERE IS THAT PROCESS TOO. 
          AND, AND OF COURSE, YEAH. 
          I THINK, I MEAN, WE UNDERSTAND, WE DON'T HAVE A FINAL WORD ON THIS OKAY. 
          AND THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, INPUT COMING FROM MANY, MANY SOURCES. 
          BUT I THINK, UM, WE'VE DISCUSSED BEFORE THAT WE LIKE TO HAVE TO TAKE A POSITION AS THE COMMISSION COMMISSION. 
          AND SO THAT WOULD GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. 
          AND YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE OTHER FORCES AT PLAY, YOU KNOW, WE GET THAT. 
          I THINK EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT. 
          OF COURSE. 
          IT'S, I MEAN, IT'S YOUR DISCRETION. 
          YOU, YOU'VE PROVIDED US LOTS OF FEEDBACK ON THESE. 
          WE CAN, WE CAN TAKE THEM BACK AND, AND, UM, MODIFY AND BRING THEM BACK TO YOU. 
          IF THAT DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT AND YOU WANT TO TAKE ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GETTING YOUR OTHER, YOUR OTHER COMMISSIONER'S FEEDBACKS IN THE MOMENT AND YOU WANNA TAKE THOSE BACK, THAT'S THE DISCRETION OF THE COMMISSION. 
          UM HMM. 
          I CAN SAY THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER ELLEN CAMP WILL NOT BE AT THE NEXT MEETING, SO I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD PLAN TO DO ANY KIND OF FINAL DECISION E STUFF AT THE NEXT MEETING. 
          SO LET'S ALL JUST PUT THAT HAT ON. 
          IT SOUNDS LIKE IF WE'RE TRYING TO AGREE ON CORNERSTONE ACTIONS, UM, MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE THEN THAT HAPPENS AT LEAST IN TWO MEETINGS, NOT THE NEXT MEETING. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY EVERYONE IS OKAY WITH THAT. 
          UM, I THINK THERE'S A BIT OF TWO DIFFERENT OPINIONS ON WHO IS VOLUNTEERING TO DO THE WORK OF THE NEXT EDIT, WHICH I SOUNDS LIKE YOU GUYS ARE VOLUNTEERING AND THAT THEY'RE VOLUNTEERING AND I THEY GET PAID THOUGH. 
          YEAH. 
          , BUT YOU, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU, YOU ARE VOLUNTEERING TO TAKE TO DO THAT ON THEIR BEHALF, SO, WELL, NO, HEATHER. 
          HEATHER, YEAH. 
          WELL, AND I'M, I AM A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT STILL THAT WOULD MEAN WE DON'T HAVE FEEDBACK FROM THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION UNTIL MARCH. 
          TILL YOUR MARCH MEETING. 
          SO YEAH. 
          I, I KIND OF DISAGREE WITH WAITING IF COMMISSIONER ALLEN CAN'T, ALAN CAN'T, CAN'T MAKE THE NEXT MEETING. 
          I I THINK WE SHOULD PLOW AHEAD TO BE HONEST. 
          I MEAN, HE CAN CERTAINLY, UM, SUBMIT WRITTEN COMMENTS. 
          YEAH. 
          I GUESS TO ME, LIKE THE ACT OF VOTING IS SYMBOLIC AT THIS POINT. 
          LIKE THE VOTING OF THE CORNERSTONE ACTIONS WILL NOT, I DON'T THINK IT'LL BE A RESOLUTION OR LIKE A FORMAL VOTE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO, UM, WELL, IT'LL BE, IT'LL BE YOUR, YOUR INTERNAL VOTE TO THAT THE, THIS DOCUMENT REPRESENTS THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE CLIMATE ACTION YEAH. 
          COMMISSION. 
          SO I GUESS THAT'S, YOU KNOW, AT THE NEXT MEETING WE CAN HAVE A CONSENSUS ON WHAT WE THINK THE CORNERSTONE ACTIONS ARE AND THEN WE HAVE AN, WHEN WE HAVE AN APPROPRIATE NUMBER OF PEOPLE HERE REPRESENTING ALL VIEWS, AND IF THEN WE TAKE SOME ACTION, SOME FORMAL ACTION. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY FORMAL ACTIONS THIS COMMITTEE HAS EVER TAKEN, YOU KNOW, IF ANY. 
          SO, UM, WELL THERE'S ALSO, DON'T FORGET THAT WE THEN ARE GOING AND WE ARE REVISING THE DRAFT AND THEN THE FINAL DRAFT WILL COME BEFORE THIS BODY FOR A FORMAL RECOMMENDATION. 
          YEAH. 
          UP THROUGH THE PROCESS. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO NOT NOW HAVE TWO MORE MONTHS BEFORE WE HAVE FEEDBACK FROM THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION. 
          JUST, I KNOW WE'RE NOT ON A STATUTORY DEADLINE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME 
          [02:25:01]
WE DO WANNA MOVE THIS FORWARD TOWARDS ADOPTION. 
          SO, AND GO AHEAD AND JUMP IN. 
          SO INITIALLY THE, THE ITINERARY FOR THIS EVENING WAS THE INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONERS HAVE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE THEIR INDIVIDUAL FEEDBACK AT THE LAST MEETING TO THE AD HOC. 
          THE AD HOC WAS TASKED WITH CONSOLIDATING AND REVIEWING THAT FEEDBACK. 
          AND THEY HAVE PRODUCED THE DOCUMENT THAT WE'RE REVIEWING NOW. 
          AND THE THOUGHT WAS THAT THERE WOULD BE A VOTE THIS EVENING ON WHETHER OR NOT THAT REPRESENTS A HOLISTIC VIEW OF THE COMMISSION. 
          SO THEN THAT DOCUMENT, IF APPROVED, CAN GO MOVE FORWARD TO STAFF AND RAINEY FOR THEIR REVIEW BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO TAKE LONGER THAN WHAT I'M HEARING THE NEXT MEETING. 
          AND WE HAVE DELAYED THE PROCESS AND, AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO GET COMPREHENSIVE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY, BUT THEN WE ALSO WANT TO MOVE FORWARD, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE COMMISSION ALREADY UNDERSTOOD THAT THIS WAS THE PREROGATIVE FOR THIS MEETING THIS EVENING. 
          Y YEAH, I, I JUST THINK IT'S JUST TAKEN LONGER THAN WE ALL ANTICIPATED. 
          AND I, I DIDN'T EXPECT YOU AND ERIC TO BE HERE, WHICH I THINK IS ACTUALLY FANTASTIC. 
          BUT IT DEFINITELY CHANGED THE NATURE OF THE CONVERSATION INSTEAD OF US JUST FOCUSING ON, ON THE CORNERSTONE ACTIONS AND HAVING A CONVERSATION WHERE WE'RE RESPONDING TO YOUR QUESTIONS AND CLARIFICATIONS, WHICH IS APPROPRIATE. 
          I JUST THINK THIS IS, IT WAS A LOT, THIS IS A LOT FOR US TO, UM, ACCOMPLISH IN THIS ONE MEETING. 
          SO I, I PERSONALLY THINK WE NEED ONE MORE MEETING AND THEN WE CAN FINISH THAT TEST THAT WE SET OUT TO DO AND GIVE YOU A CLEAR SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          YEAH. 
          WHICH I THINK WILL HELP GET US AND EVEN IF IT FEELS LONGER, I THINK IT'LL HELP US GET THE FINAL DOCUMENT COMING BACK IN THE RIGHT SHAPE. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I'M SORRY IF WE OUR ATTENDANCE NO, NO, I THINK IT'S LOVELY 'CAUSE WE, YEAH, I THINK IT'S GREAT. 
          WE JUST, WHEN WE WERE READING 'EM, WE HAD QUESTIONS, NOT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF 'EM ARE LIKE, YEAH, GREAT. 
          BUT I MEAN JUST THE, THE FACT I THINK JUST THAT THEY'RE IN, IN REPLACEMENT OF NOT ADDITIVE TWO, YOU KNOW, WE WEREN'T SURE, ARE WE TALKING NOW WE'VE GOT LIKE 39 CORNERSTONE ACTIONS OR YOU KNOW, SO IT'S BEEN VERY, UM, ENLIGHTENING TO, TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE, UM, TASKS. 
          SO I WOULD FEEL BETTER ABOUT, UM, GETTING THE FORMAL RECOMMENDATION ON THESE AT THE NEXT MEETING, THEN PUSHING IT TO MEETINGS JUST TO ALLOW US TO CONTINUE THE PROCESS IF POSSIBLE. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND UM, WE HAVE TAKEN A NUMBER OF FORMAL ACTIONS IN THE PAST AND WE DO IT VIA VOTE AND IT'S A STANDARD QUORUM PROCESS. 
          SO, UM, I DON'T THINK WE'RE NECESSARILY TRYING TO ACHIEVE CONSENSUS SO MUCH AS SOMETHING EVERYBODY CAN LIVE WITH BECAUSE CONSENSUS IS CONSIDERABLY MESSIER. 
           A MORE TIME CONSUMING THAN LIKE, YEAH, THIS IS PRETTY DARN CLOSE. 
          CAN WE LIVE WITH IT? AND I'LL JUST WEIGH IN ON THAT. 
          UM, IT ONLY REQUIRES A MAJORITY OF THOSE PRESENT FOR THE BODY TO TAKE AN ACTION, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THE BODY IS JUST A SUBS SUBORDINATE BODY TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND IT'S ADVISORY AND CAPACITY. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY PASSING AN ELEMENT OF THE GENERAL PLAN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT HERE. 
          BUT CONSENSUS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU MAY BE SELF IMPOSING, BUT IT'S NOT REQUIRED BY THE CITY. 
          YEAH, NO, I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          IT'S MORE, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR HIM, BUT LIKE COMMISSION MEMBER ELLEN CAMP HAD FEW COMMENTS AND THEY HAVEN'T, BOTH BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THERE NUMERICALLY, BUT ALSO BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT HERE LIKE LEVEL TWO CHARGING AND LIKE EV CHARGING AND THAT'S, THAT WAS LIKE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT GOT DROPPED. 
          AND SO I'LL JUST SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, HIS FOCUS WAS ON THE EV CHARGING AND THE LOW-INCOME EV CHARGING AND THE NOT FAST CHARGING, THE LEVEL ONE CHARGING. 
          AND SO WE COULD TALK ABOUT THAT IN THE NEXT MEETING AND I'M HAPPY TO LIKE MOVE FORWARD AND PROVIDE THE FEEDBACK, YOU KNOW, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT ELEMENT SHOULD BE THERE. 
          SO, AND I GUESS JUST TO WRAP UP THIS PROCESS CONVERSATION, SO I UNDERSTAND IT, I THINK WE'RE GONNA QUICKLY TRY AND HIT ALL OF THESE AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK AND DISCUSSION AT WHICH POINT THEN THE AD HOC WILL COME BACK WITH SOMETHING THAT WE CAN FINALIZE AT THE NEXT MEETING. 
          MEANWHILE, YOU WILL CONCURRENTLY DO SOMETHING  SOMETHING , I'LL FIND SOMETHING TO DO. 
          [02:30:01]
, UM, I, ERIC JUST, UH, INDICATED THAT HE, IF IF YOU DO WANT TO HAVE US DO AN A, UH, A TRY AT, AT TAKING THE COMMENTS WE HEARD AND BRINGING BACK, WE COULD HAVE THAT FOR THE NEXT MEETING. 
          SO JUST, I'M, I'M THROWING THAT OUT THERE THAT WE HAVE BEEN TAKING ALL THE FEEDBACK TOO. 
          AND IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S A BETTER OPTION, UM, THAT HE FEELS LIKE WE COULD HAVE THAT BACK FOR FEBRUARY. 
          I WOULDN'T HAVE GONE THE LAST WEEKEND LAST WEEK OF JANUARY. 
          SO TAKE THE OFFER , LET'S, LET'S SEE HOW WE, HOW WE GO HERE, HOW FAR WE GET. 
          UM, HOW, HOW FAR AHEAD OF THE MEETING WOULD YOU HAVE IT MAYBE IN DRAFT FORM THAT THE AD HOC COULD JUST RESPOND TO BASED ON OUR PRIOR DELIBERATIONS? I'M JUST THINKING THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, DO A TINY BIT OF MASSAGING. 
          I MEAN, I KNOW I'M GONNA BE YOUR PARTNER IN THIS. 
          I'M NOT LIKE SAYING IT'S ALL ON YOU, BUT, WELL, I MEAN, THE PROCESS WOULD BE, SO, SO WE'RE ALSO, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, SIMULTANEOUSLY LOOKING AT THE 450 PUBLIC COMMENTS WE GOT TOO. 
          SO WE'D WANT TO THINK ABOUT, WE'RE GOING THROUGH THOSE NOW. 
          WE WANT THINK ABOUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE'D WANT TO ELEVATE BASED ON THOSE COMMENTS TOO. 
          MM-HMM. 
          SORT OF DOING THAT SIMULTANEOUSLY. 
          UM, OUR PROCESS WOULD BE, OBVIOUSLY WE'VE GOT A LOT OF NOTES. 
          MY COLLEAGUE, UH, SAMMY TAYLOR IS ONLINE LISTENING TONIGHT AS WELL. 
          AND WE WE'RE TAKING ALL THE NOTES. 
          WE CAN GO BACK AND MAKE A COMPREHENSIVE REVISION BASED ON THE CONVERSATION HERE TONIGHT. 
          PREVIOUS ITERATIONS, WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT, UM, SO FAR, WE WOULD THEN NEED TO SHARE THAT WITH CITY STAFF. 
          WE WOULD GO THROUGH IT WITH CITY STAFF, MAKE SURE THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THEN THAT WOULD GO BACK TO YOU ALL FOR REVIEW. 
          I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S A COUPLE WEEK PROCESS. 
          THIS IS A TWO, THIS IS TWO PAGES OR THREE PAGES. 
          IT WOULDN'T TAKE TOO LONG TO DO. 
          WE JUST GOTTA GET ALL THE DUCKS IN A ROW AND MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN, UM, GET THE RIGHT PEOPLE REVIEWING AT THE RIGHT TIME, SO TO SPEAK. 
          BUT I, I CERTAINLY THINK WE COULD GET IT OUT AHEAD OF YOUR REVIEW PERIOD, BUT MAYBE WE COULD TALK ABOUT IT BEFOREHAND WITH YOU ALL AS THE AD HOC. 
          'CAUSE YOU'VE GENEROUSLY OFFERED YOUR TIME AS WELL OUTSIDE OF THIS. 
          OKAY. 
          MM-HMM. 
           I THINK, I THINK WE THINK THAT WORKS FOR US. 
          SO, YEAH. 
          AND MAINLY, AGAIN, YOU OBVIOUSLY STILL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AND ABOUT INTENTIONS AND THAT I THINK WE CAN HELP CLARIFY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I THINK THAT CAN BE A CONDUIT TOO, TO GET CLARIFICATIONS IF WE RUN INTO IT. 
          AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THAT'S NOT THE REDUCED DOCUMENT THAT'S COMING BACK WITH THOSE 19 CORNERSTONES OR WHEREVER THEY END UP OR 20 OR, YEAH. 
          AND ALSO PULL, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WHAT ERIC SAID TOO, THERE'S A COUPLE CORNERSTONES FROM THE ORIGINAL LIST THAT WE FEEL LIKE ARE REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT. 
          AND SO KIND OF LIKE HOW CAN WE MERGE SOME OF THOSE, WHETHER IT'S PARKING, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE TRANSPORTATION THINGS. 
          UM, SO I, I THINK WE CAN DO IT. 
          I THINK IT'S A GOOD, YEAH, THAT'S GREAT. 
          I MEAN, I, I ACTUALLY FEEL REALLY HAPPY IF, LIKE, YOU THINK WE ONLY MISSED 2, 2, 2 MAJOR ITEMS, , BECAUSE THAT'S, AND THEN THE NEXT MEETING MIGHT BE REALLY LIKE, HERE'S SOME THINGS WE FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TALK THROUGH. 
          'CAUSE WE DON'T WANNA HAVE 39 CORNERSTONES. 
          SO TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO, WHAT GIVES AND WHAT AND WHAT EVERYONE CAN BLEND AND THAT KIND OF THING. 
          I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S SOME SORT OF OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE UP THE AD HOC ON ITS, YOU KNOW, VERY GENEROUS OFFER OF TIME BETWEEN THESE MEETINGS. 
          LIKE IF THERE'S SOME POINT WHERE WE GET THE, GET THOSE TO KIND OF A WORKABLE DRAFT FORM, LIKE IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS AND THEN HAVE A MEETING ON THE BOOKS WITH THE AD HOC TO KIND OF LIKE, OKAY, DID WE CAPTURE THE ESSENCE TO YOUR SATISFACTION BEFORE IT COMES TO THE FULL BODY? I'M, I'M WONDERING IF THAT'S A YEAH, LET'S POSSIBILITY. 
          LET'S, LET'S LOOK AT THAT AND, AND HAVE SOME KIND OF, I MEAN, I WAS THINKING OF IT BEING A LITTLE BIT, UH, ALSO A CONDUIT BECAUSE I CAN SEE US KIND OF GETTING INTO SOMETHING AND BEING LIKE, WAIT, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE WHAT, ARE WE MISSING THE ESSENCE HERE? AND INSTEAD OF WAITING UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING, BEING ABLE TO TAP THE AD HOC FOR SOME INTERACTION ON THAT. 
          BUT WE SHOULD, I WOULD ALSO STILL LIKE TO TRY TO GET, UM, SOME THROUGH SOME MORE OF THESE JUST TO, SO THAT WE'RE YEAH. 
          SLUGGING THROUGH. 
          LET'S DO IT. 
          OKAY. 
          NUMBER EIGHT 
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IS THE COMPLETE STREETS PLAN ARE, AND WE'RE DONE AT 10. 
          I CAN DO MY BEST JOB AS A FACILITATOR, LIKE TWO MINUTES PER OKAY. 
          WILL YOU DO IT? OKAY. 
          UM, NUMBER EIGHT, UH, COMPLETE STREETS PLAN. 
          DOES SOMEONE WANNA PULL 'EM BACK UP? UH, YEAH, THANKS. 
          UM, THIS IS IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE CORNERSTONE ACTIONS IN THE PLAN ITSELF. 
          IT'S CORNERSTONE ACTION NUMBER FOUR. 
          SO QUITE CONSISTENT. 
          THIS HAS A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL AND AS HEATHER AND I WENT OVER TODAY, SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE ALREADY COMPLETE OR ALREADY UNDERWAY THAT CITY STAFF IS DOING. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR ANY QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THIS. 
          AND WE CAN MOVE ON UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING YOU ALL WANNA SAY. 
          PARTICULARLY, UH, THIS MAY BE A TECHNICAL QUESTION, BUT LIKE, THIS IS REALLY ELEVATING THE CONS COMPLETE STREETS PLAN. 
          AND MY UNDERSTANDING OF LIKE THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN IS THAT LIKE THE COMPLETE ST HAVING A COMPLETE STREETS POLICY IS LIKE A SUB ELEMENT OF THAT. 
          AND SO I DON'T, AGAIN, IT'S LIKE WE WANNA BE ELEVATING THE RIGHT THING, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT THING IS, BUT THAT, AND THAT MIGHT EVEN BE COMPLICATED, BUT DOES THAT MAKE SENSE AS A QUESTION? LIKE, THIS IS LIKE VERY CLEAR, LIKE THE COMPLETE STREETS PLAN IS WHAT WE WANT, WHEREAS LIKE MY READ OF OUR ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN IS THAT THE COMPLETE STREETS ELEMENT OF THAT IS A TINY IMPORTANT ELEMENT, BUT WE'RE ELEVATING TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          AND REALLY WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING IS ELEVATING THE WORK OF THE OTHER COMMITTEE THAT'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE DOING THAT. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          IT'S THE ACT OF TRANSPORTATION PLAN. 
          THERE'S PART OF IT'S BEING DONE IN THE GENERAL PLAN ITSELF. 
          YOU HAVE, UM, THE LOCAL SAFETY PLAN, THEY'RE ALL RELATED AND THEY ALL PROVIDE ACTIVE AND SAFE PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO TRAVEL NOT IN A CAR. 
          SO THEY, THEY'RE ALL ALL KIND OF EMBEDDED IN THAT PARTICULAR CORNERSTONE ACTION ITSELF. 
          I THINK THE REASON THAT WE FOCUS MORE ON COMPLETE STREETS RATHER THAN A TP WAS BE COMPLETE STREETS ALSO ADDRESSES THINGS LIKE TREE PLANTING, STORM WATER, YOU KNOW, UM, CARBON SEQUESTRATION. 
          SO IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT MOVING PEOPLE AROUND, IT'S HOW WE INCORPORATE ALL THOSE ELEMENTS WITHIN OUR STREET DESIGNS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND WE ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME UPDATED STREET DESIGNS WITH THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          UM, SO, SO I AGREE THAT THE A TP MIGHT NOT, LIKE EVERYTHING MIGHT NOT LIVE UNDER IT, BUT IT'S ALSO, IT FELT LIKE WE'RE DOING THE THINGS WE'RE DOING, AND SO TO DO ANOTHER PLAN, UM, DIDN'T, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO MAKE SENSE IF WE'RE COVERING THE THINGS THAT ARE OUTLINED OR THE INTENT IS, AND MAYBE IT'S A NAMING ISSUE. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND THERE'S ALSO, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE ALREADY HAPPENING. 
          SOME OF THESE THINGS CAN'T HAPPEN TO THE EXTENT, LIKE THE 20 MILE PER HOUR CITYWIDE. 
          WE CAN'T LEGALLY DO THAT BASED ON THE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE, I TALKED TO BJORN TODAY. 
          THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN'T DO THAT EVERYWHERE, BUT WE ALREADY, LATER THIS YEAR, WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING THAT EVERYWHERE WE LEGALLY CAN. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, SO SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE, ARE, ARE HAPPENING, ARE ARE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE EXCEEDING THE FIVE MILES OF CONNECTED ACTIVE MOBILITY CORRIDORS. 
          SO THERE'S SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY HAPPENING. 
          AND, AND I THINK THE, I MEAN, AND I THINK THAT'S GREAT AND THAT, AND THE IDEA OF LIKE HAVING IT BE A CORNERSTONE ACTION IN THE DOCUMENT SO THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS WHY, YOU KNOW, LIKE THEY SEE HOW ALL THESE THINGS ARE INTERRELATED. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO IT'S GREAT THAT YOU'RE ALREADY DOING THEM. 
          SO EVEN IF IT'S, IT DOESN'T MY MIND, IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY COME OFF. 
          YEAH. 
          IT IN MY MIND DOESN'T MAKE IT NOT A CORNERSTONE, YOU KNOW? YEAH. 
          BUT JUST FOR YOUR, YOU KNOW, KNOWLEDGE, UM, SIMILARLY WITH NINE THAT THEORETICALLY IS PLANNING TO HAPPEN, BUT IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR, AND I, SO I THINK, AND, AND AGAIN, KIND OF REALLY HEIGHTENS, YEAH. 
          'CAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS WE WERE TRYING TO DO HERE WAS REALLY LIKE MANIFEST THE EMERGENCY, LIKE HELP PEOPLE SEE IT AND HELP PEOPLE SEE THE ACTIONS THE CITY'S TAKING IN THE CONTEXT OF THE EMERGENCY AND, AND RATIONALIZE IT A LITTLE BIT. 
          SO YOU COULD SEE HOW THE PLAN EMERGES. 
          LIKE, OH, THESE ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS AND THESE ARE THINGS WE'RE ALREADY DOING. 
          AND SO THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE FITTING IN. 
          IT'S EXCITING, I THINK WHEN YOU PRESENT IT THAT WAY. 
          GREAT. 
          CAN I MOVE US ON TO NUMBER 11 THEN? I MEAN, NUMBER 10, EXCUSE ME. 
          SORRY. 
          NINE. 
          YEAH. 
          FROM EIGHT. 
          I GUESS FOR ME, EIGHT. 
          LIKE EIGHT. 
          I GUESS IT, THE, I THINK THE SINGLE BIGGEST SOURCE OF GHG REDUCTION IS THE LIKE 70% MODE SHIFT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I GUESS I'M NOT SEEING THAT COVERED ELSEWHERE, EXCEPT FOR NUMBER EIGHT. 
          AND SO IF THAT IS NUMBER EIGHT AND THAT IS RELATED TO CORNERSTONE NUMBER FOUR, 
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THEN THAT'S ALL WELL AND GOOD. 
          BUT I DON'T WANNA LOSE THAT, THAT MODE SHIFT, 70% MODE SHIFT NEEDS TO BE A CORNERSTONE ACTION OR, OR THE CONCEPT OF GETTING MODE SHIFT NEEDS TO BE INCORPORATED THEN JUST A COMPLETE STREETS, IF THAT'S RIGHT. 
          AND, AND THAT'S WHAT I MENTIONED EARLIER. 
          UM, IN PARTICULAR TWO CORNERSTONE ACTIONS THAT WERE IN THE BLUEPRINT WERE AROUND PARKING AND PARKING PRICING, AND THEN TRANSPORTATION DEMAND MANAGEMENT, WHICH, UM, ARE MEASURES THAT ADDRESS, UM, HOW PEOPLE TRAVEL AND WHAT MODES THEY TAKE IN ADDITION TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE ITSELF. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND NO ONE, UH, DISAGREED WITH ME THAT WE SHOULD ADD THOSE BACK IN. 
          SO I'M GONNA, COUNCIL MEMBER SHRI JUST WANNA SUPPORT YOU. 
          UH, THE A TP AT LEAST NEEDS TO BE MENTIONED SOMEWHERE IN THIS SECTION, UM, AS WELL. 
          AND THEN, UH, YOU ALSO WANTED ANOTHER THING, ADDITIONAL THING. 
          I'M NOT SURE WHERE IT FITS IN, BUT WHAT'S NOT THERE IS ALSO, UM, MAYBE NUMBER 10 IS WHERE IT BELONGS. 
          IN THIS EV CHARGING, THERE'S HOLES CONCEPT OF WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO BE CHARGING AND HOW TO GET THEM TO MOVE INTO THE EV WORLD. 
          AND SO THAT INCLUDES, UH, UH, MICRO MOBILITY, UH, E UH, CAR SHARING, E SCOOTER SHARING, E BICYCLE SHARING. 
          SO INCLUDES ALL THE MICRO MOBILITY CONCEPTS AND, BUT IT, NOT MANY EXCEPT FOR 10 SORT LIKE, HINT SET EV CHARGING, AND WE NEED TO HAVE THE CHARGING STATIONS AS WELL AS THE ACTUAL VEHICLES WHERE THEY'RE GONNA CH WHAT THEY'RE GONNA CHARGE. 
          SO THAT NEEDS TO BE COMBINED IN THERE. 
          I'M NOT SURE THAT GOT LOST A LITTLE BIT IN THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK, UM, MAYBE 10 DOES SEEM LIKE A METEOR TOPIC. 
          I THINK NINE IS, WE TALKED ABOUT IT BRIEFLY, BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE BROADER THAN JUST LIKE THE FREE BUSES. 
          AND I THINK LIKE OUR TRANSIT DIVISION IS DOING GREAT WORK, AND I THINK IT SHOULD, NUMBER NINE SHOULD JUST BE MORE OF A BROAD TRANSIT ACTION, YOU KNOW, AND SUPPORTING THE WORK OF THAT BODY. 
          AND I THINK THERE'S SOME OF THE EXISTING CORNERSTONE ACTIONS THAT COULD BE PUT IN THERE. 
          I JUST, YOU KNOW, NUMBER NINE IS MAYBE TOO NARROW. 
          AND I GUESS NUMBER 10, IF YOU WANNA KEEP GOING ON THE EV PIECE OF IT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO FOR THE EV UH, PART, SO WE NEED TO SEEK OUT, UM, UM, GRANTS TO, UH, INCORPORATE, UH, UH, EV UH, CARS FOR SHARING AT MULTIFAMILY, UH, LOCATIONS. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S A NEW COMING THING WE CAN GO GET GRANT MONEY FOR. 
          UM, AND THEN WE HAVE A BICYCLE PROGRAM, UH, UH, SHARING BICYCLE PROGRAM THAT'S COMING UP THAT SHOULD HAPPEN ANYWAY, SO THAT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED IN THERE. 
          SO THE WHOLE, UM, MICRO MOBILITY AND, AND SHARING OF, OF TRANSPORTS TOGETHER, THE SECOND VEHICLES AS JUST AS A TOPIC OF WHERE WE NEED TO REALLY GO. 
          UM, 'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE ONE OF THE CRITICAL THINGS OF WE'RE GONNA DO TRANSPORTATION, WE'VE GOTTA GET INTO SMALLER VEHICLES. 
          UM, AND IT'S GOTTA BE, THAT'S GOTTA BE A CRITICAL, UH, ONE OF THE TOP FOUR THINGS THAT WE'VE GOTTA DO IS MOVE EVERYBODY INTO SMALLER VEHICLES, ELECTRIC VEHICLES, WHETHER IT BE, UM, BICYCLES, SCOOTERS, UM, CHAIRS THAT, THAT GO, UH, SKATEBOARDS THAT GO, OR WHETHER IT BE MICROCAR, MINICAR, WHATEVER. 
          BUT WE JUST HAVE TO REDUCE EVERYBODY DOWN. 
          AND THAT'S GOTTA BE THE ACTUALLY NUMBER ONE. 
          THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE WAY OF WAY ACTUALLY GETTING, UM, EMISSIONS DOWN IS ACTUALLY, UH, BY GETTING THE WEIGHT DOWN. 
          INSTEAD OF 2000 TO 7,000 POUND VEHICLES, WE HAVE TO GET EVERYBODY DOWN TO A THOUSAND TO 500 POUNDS OR LESS ON AVERAGE. 
          AND THAT'S, IF WE'RE GONNA DO EMISSIONS, THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE WAY TO GET TO LOWER EMISSIONS, UM, ACROSS THE BOARD. 
          THAT'S THE, THAT IS OUR NUMBER ONE, UH, WAY OF DOING IT. 
          UH, ALL THE OTHERS ARE, ARE TINY LITTLE THINGS. 
          THAT'S OUR NUMBER ONE WAY IS, IS, UH, REDUCING WEIGHT. 
          THAT'S, UH, I AGREE. 
          I THINK NOW WE'RE BACK BETWEEN LIKE NINE AND 10, I THINK AT THE COUNTY LEVEL, THE SHIFT, SONOMA COUNTY PLAN HAS MODE SHIFT AND FUEL SHIFT. 
          AND SO THAT'S, AT LEAST WE'RE DOING THAT WITH NINE AND 10. 
          SO TO SOMEWHAT STAY CONSISTENT WITH THE COUNTY LEVEL, AGAIN, YOU'RE GETTING BACK INTO THE, I, I GUESS, MODE SHIFTING AND SHIFTING DOWN INTO THE LIGHTER WEIGHT AND THEN YOUR FUEL SHIFTING ALSO INTO THE LIGHTER WEIGHT EV. 
          UM, SO THERE'S A RELATIONSHIP THERE. 
          BUT I GUESS PART OF WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS THAT NUMBER 10 SHOULD BE BROADER THAN JUST LIKE A SPECIFIC EV PROGRAM. 
          AND I THINK YOU HAD SOME CORNERSTONE ACTIONS THERE AROUND FUEL SHIFT TOPICS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I, THIS IS ONE THAT COULD MAYBE USE A COUPLE LIKE SUBLETTER BULLET POINTS PERHAPS. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH  WE WANNA GET INTO, LIKE THE SUBLETS OF THE CORNERSTONE ACTIONS. 
          IF EVERYTHING HAS LIKE FIVE LETTERS, 
          [02:45:01]
IS IT REALLY A ONE CORNERSTONE ACTION? BUT, UM, YEAH, THIS IS, I WILL SAY AGAIN, YOU KNOW, COMMISSION MEMBER AMP DID REALLY WANT A FOCUS, OR AT LEAST US TO NOT FORGET LEVEL ONE CHARGING. 
          AND SO IF WE CAN SPEAK TO LEVEL ONE CHARGING IN THE DOCUMENT, I THINK HE'LL BE HAPPY. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, SORRY, JUST BECAUSE I ACTUALLY DEALT WITH THIS TODAY, UH, IN MY JOB, I LEARNED ABOUT, UH, UH, SOME CHARGING THAT WENT IN AT A, UH, PUBLIC PARKING LOT AND IT WAS, I BELIEVE 10 PORTS AND ENDED UP COSTING $700,000 FOR LEVEL TWO CHARGING . 
          AND I JUST, YOU KNOW, I WANT THAT TO SINK IN AS FAR AS LIKE HOW WE'RE THINKING ABOUT, UH, HOW WE, HOW WE GO ABOUT DOING THIS. 
          UM, IT, IT'S A VERY, VERY DIFFICULT THING. 
          AND, AND WHAT I, YEAH, I WOULD JUST, JUST TRY AND KEEP THAT IN MIND. 
          I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A SPECIFIC DIRECTION ON THAT. 
          JUST IF WE'RE THINKING ABOUT COST AND EVEN WITH GRANT MONEY, RIGHT? YOU THINK ABOUT HOW MANY PORTS WE'RE GONNA NEED TO INSTALL. 
          UM, MY OWN PERSONAL BELIEF IS THAT HAVING THINGS IN A PUBLIC PLACE HAS ITS LIMITATIONS, RIGHT? BECAUSE IF YOU, IF YOUR CAR NEEDS TO CHARGE AND IT'S GONNA TAKE FOUR HOURS, AND GRANTED COUNCIL MEMBERSHIPS SAYS WE NEED TO HAVE THE SMALLER VEHICLE, BUT LET'S SAY YOU'VE GOT A FAMILY OF FIVE AND YOU HAVE A MINIVAN, UM, AND THAT, THAT VEHICLE TAKES FOUR TO SIX HOURS TO CHARGE. 
          IF YOU'RE AT A GROCERY STORE OR YOU'RE SHOPPING, THESE TRIPS ARE TYPICALLY LIKE AN HOUR, MAYBE TWO. 
          THE PLACES THAT YOU'RE STAYING MORE THAN AN HOUR OR TWO ARE YOUR HOME AND WORK. 
          AND IN MY MIND, YOU WOULD PRIORITIZE THE PLACES THAT YOU'RE STICKING AROUND MORE THAN ONE HOUR. 
          THE ABILITY FOR US TO HAVE FAST CHARGING EVERYWHERE IS GOING TO BE GAR, ORGANICALLY EXPENSIVE. 
          AND LEVEL TWO CHARGING IS STILL EXPENSIVE, BUT NOT AS BAD. 
          AND, UM, THE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO BUILD OUT JUST LEVEL TWO CHARGING WILL MEAN TRANSFORMER UPGRADES THROUGHOUT OUR CITY. 
          THIS IS GONNA TAKE FOR MANY, MANY, MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS. 
          UM, , SORRY TO BE THE DEBBIE DOWNER HERE, BUT, UM, I JUST DEAL WITH THIS STUFF ALL DAY. 
          AND, UM, SO MODE, THAT'S WHY MODE SHIFT IS CRITICAL, RIGHT? BECAUSE IF WE'RE ON BICYCLES OR OTHER VEHICLES, THEN WE'VE GOT A CHANCE TO, TO GET AROUND MORE EASILY WITHOUT HAVING TO INSTALL CHARGING EVERYWHERE. 
          BUT JUST, JUST HAVING JUST A CONCEPT OF THE SCOPE OF, OF THE ISSUE OF INSTALLING CHARGING EVERYWHERE, UM, IS GONNA BE A REALLY, REALLY TOUGH ONE FOR, ESPECIALLY FOR MULTIFAMILY, RIGHT? SINGLE FAMILY. 
          YOU'VE GOT A TWO 40, UH, BREAKER IN, IN A, IN A 200 AMP PANEL, YOU'RE FINE. 
          BUT A AN APARTMENT BUILDING, TRYING TO GET EVERY SINGLE PERSON TO HAVE A CHARGER IS TOUGH. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, , AGAIN, SORRY TO DO THE DEBBIE DOWNER HERE. 
          UH, WORKPLACES HAVE SOME ADVANTAGES BECAUSE YOU HAVE, UH, TYPICALLY A WORKER'S SHIFT IS FOUR TO EIGHT HOURS. 
          AND SO THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRIORITIZE AGAIN, I WOULD SAY LIKE, DITCH ANY WORD, YOU KNOW, SORRY, NOT TO SAY DISH. 
          EXCUSE ME, I'M GETTING TIRED. 
          A LITTLE PUNCHY. 
          UM, AS IN, IN, IN, IN, UM, INSTEAD OF USING THE WORD PROGRAM, STRATEGY IS A GOOD, UH, IDEA BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TECHNOLOGY'S GONNA LOOK LIKE IN 10 YEARS, MAYBE. 
          WE'LL, THE, THE BATTERY SYSTEMS ARE GONNA BE VERY DIFFERENT AND, AND WE WON'T, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL BE MUCH LIGHTER. 
          WE DON'T KNOW. 
          UH, SO I THINK JUST HAVING A, A STRATEGY AS A CORNERSTONE OTHER THAN A PROGRAM, AND AGAIN, SORRY, I'M GETTING A LITTLE, LITTLE PUNCHY WITH BEING TIRED. 
          I JUST WANNA COMMENT THAT, UM, THE REASON THAT WE PROPOSED INITIALLY STARTING IN PUBLIC FACILITIES IS AS PURELY STOP GAP. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, RECOGNIZING THAT THIS IS A BIG CHALLENGE AND IT'S A LONGER TERM PLAY, BUT NEEDING TO START SOMEWHERE, UM, I WOULD DEFINITELY SUPPORT ADDING WORKPLACE. 
          I MEAN, THE PROBLEM IS WE DON'T HAVE A TON OF WORKPLACES IN PETALUMA THAT HAVE LOTS OF EMPLOYEES WHERE IT MAKES SENSE. 
          THAT'S FAIR. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S KAISER, THERE'S MAYBE A VERY FEW OTHER PLACES WHERE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, CRITICAL MASS OF EMPLOYEES, BUT YOU KNOW, WHERE WE DO, LET'S DO IT. 
          YEAH. 
          NO, I, I, I TOTALLY HEAR YOU. 
          I, AGAIN, I THINK THE ISSUE IS LIKE, IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE CULTURAL SHIFT THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO HAPPEN WITH CHARGING, PEOPLE THINK OF CHARGING RIGHT NOW AS LIKE YOU'RE FILLING UP GASOLINE IN A CAR AND IT TAKES FIVE TO 10 MINUTES. 
          AND IF PEOPLE GO SOMEWHERE AND THERE'S A BUNCH OF LEVEL TWO CHARGERS, AND THEN THEY ONLY CHARGE UP THEIR CAR THIRD OF THE WAY . 
          YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE, THERE'S THE, THAT'S THE DISCONNECT FOR ME IS LIKE, HOW, HOW PEOPLE ARE NOT GONNA BE SATISFIED WITH THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, WHEREAS LIKE IF IT'S AT 
          [02:50:01]
THEIR HOME OR THEIR WORKPLACE, THE WHOLE THING TAKES 30 SECONDS. 
          THEY PLUG IN WHEN THEY GET THERE, THEY UNPLUG WHEN THEY LEAVE. 
          AND IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THAT SEEMS LIKE A MUCH BETTER USER EXPERIENCE. 
          BUT I TOTALLY TAKE YOUR POINT. 
          I THINK WE ULTIMATELY NEED BOTH AND THE PUBLIC PLACES IS WHAT THE CITY CAN ACTUALLY AFFECT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I I I, I, I DEFINITELY HEAR YOU ON THAT AND I DON'T WANNA DISCOUNT IT. 
          UM, AGAIN, JUST TRYING TO GRAPPLE WITH THE ENORMITY OF THE, THE, THE CHARGING CONUNDRUM. 
          UM, AND I'M HOPING REALLY SMART PEOPLE THAT ARE WAY SMARTER THAN ME ARE WORKING ON THIS AT A TECHNOLOGICAL LEVEL SO THAT WE CAN BYPASS A LOT OF THESE PROBLEMS. CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION OF THE AD HOC, UM, THE, IN THE CORNERSTONE ACTIONS IN THE BLUEPRINT, UM, THERE ARE TWO EV CHARGING MEASURES AND NEITHER OF THOSE ARE IN, UM, THE AD HOCS RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          MAYBE YOU COULD JUST TALK FOR A SECOND ABOUT WHY THE SWAP OUT OF THOSE. 
          UH, AND THEN SPECIFICALLY I'LL JUST SAY 'EM OUT LOUD. 
          'CAUSE THE FIRST ONE WAS AN EV REACH CODE, WHICH WOULD BE FOCUSED ON NEW DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE CITY, AND THEN THE SECOND, AND POTENTIALLY TO RETROFITS, I SUPPOSE. 
          AND THEN THE SECOND WOULD BE MORE OF A BROADER IMPLEMENTATION OF INFRASTRUCTURE STRATEGY ACROSS THE CITY, UM, ACROSS BOTH PUBLIC-PRIVATE, UH, PROPERTIES OVERALL. 
          BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS, UM, WHAT THE THOUGHT WAS ON THAT, AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND. 
          WELL, TO BE REALLY CANDID, WE DIDN'T START WITH YOUR CORNERSTONES. 
          WE STARTED FROM TABULA RASA, BASICALLY LIKE WHAT WE HAD BEEN PROCESSING AND HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY AND THROUGH, YOU KNOW, FROM OUR PRIOR MEETINGS. 
          SO WE DIDN'T START FROM YOURS AND GO, IS THAT THE RIGHT ONE OR NOT? WE JUST SORT OF WENT, OKAY, CATEGORY BY CATEGORY, LIKE WHAT DO WE SEE AS FOUNDATIONAL? SO, UM, WHAT WAS THE FIRST ONE YOU SAID? UH, IT WAS EV CHARGING REACH CODES NUMBER FIVE. 
          YEAH. 
          OH, AND I THINK THE BIG ISSUE, SORRY AMY, UM, JUST GET THIS OUTTA MY HEAD BEFORE I FORGET IT AGAIN. 
          UM, IS, THAT'S NEW BUILDINGS, RIGHT? AND NEW BUILDINGS DON'T REPRESENT MOST OF THE POPULATION. 
          SO THE CONCERN WAS HOW DO WE ADDRESS THE POPULATION THAT'S ALREADY HERE? MM-HMM, , UM, DEFINITELY, I MEAN, A REACH CODE'S A GREAT IDEA, BUT WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY HERE, ALREADY LIVING HERE AND DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO CHARGING. 
          UM, SO, AND THEN THE OTHER ONE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE ONE. 
          UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT WE ARE AWARE THAT ARE UNDERWAY AND THAT WE WERE LIKE, GREAT, THAT'S UNDERWAY. 
          SO IT'S SORT OF ALREADY IN A SENSE BEING TREATED AS A CORNERSTONE AND MAYBE WE DIDN'T NEED TO ELEVATE IT. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW OTHER THOUGHTS? I GUESS I WOULD, YEAH, I WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THE, THE REACH CODE PIECE, UNDERSTANDING THAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN, SO WE DIDN'T WANNA ELEVATE IT AS A CORNERSTONE. 
          THE, THE COMMUNITY WIDE INFRASTRUCTURE, I THINK, UM, MAKES SENSE. 
          I THINK WHAT WE HEARD IN THE COMMUNITY DIALOGUE, IT WAS KIND OF INTERESTING. 
          LIKE WE HAD SOME PEOPLE SAY, UM, YOU KNOW, EVS ARE ONLY GONNA BE USED BY WEALTHY PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, LIKE THEY'RE NOT AFFORDABLE CARS. 
          AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THIS COMMENT CAME FROM, WAS KIND OF OBSERVING THE ADAPTATION, THE ADOPTION OF EVS HAPPENING MORE IN MIDDLE CLASS AND WEALTHIER COMMUNITIES, THE AVAIL AVAILABILITY TO CHARGE AT HOME, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THEN YOU DO START TO SEE SOME COST SAVINGS ONCE YOU MAKE THAT INVESTMENT, ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE SOLAR ON YOUR HOME, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. 
          SO REALLY LIKE HOW DO WE GET TO THE, YOU KNOW, 50, 60% OF THE POPULATION WHO'S GONNA HAVE A HARDER TIME GETTING TO AN EV? SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THAT PARTICULAR APPROACH WAS. 
          'CAUSE YOUR, YOUR, YOUR ESTIMATES ALWAYS WERE, I FORGET, 25% EV I THINK IT'S 20% PENETRATION BY 2030, OR I FORGET WHAT YOU'RE, I THINK THAT SOUNDS RIGHT, BUT THE, YOUR FORMULA, THE PACE OF CHANGE IS HAPPENING FASTER, I THINK, OR THE STATE WANTS TO PUSH IT FASTER, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          SO, SO A HUNDRED PERCENT OF NEW LIGHT DUTY VEHICLES BY 2035 WILL BE RIGHT. 
          UM, SOME FORM OF ELECTRIC HYBRID. 
          UM, SO THAT'S HAPPENING, BUT THERE'S OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S A LOT OF CARS THAT ARE IN EXISTENCE THAT ARE CONVENTIONAL COMBUSTION CARS THAT WILL BE THERE FOR A WHILE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I THINK THE INFRASTRUCTURE ONE PROBABLY SHOULD, SHOULD COME BACK. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S ON THE COMMENTS THAT WE'RE HEARING AND ALSO COMMISSIONER ELLEN CAMP'S INTERESTS, YOU KNOW, UM, BUT I THINK THE POINT OF THIS ONE WAS REALLY HOW DO WE FOCUS ON THE PORTION OF THE POPULATION THAT WE THINK IS GONNA ADOPT MORE SLOWLY? SO WE'RE GETTING TO A HIGHER NUMBER THAN 25%. 
          MAKES SENSE. 
          YEAH. 
          COUNCIL 
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MEMBER REBS, UH, JUST, UM, ADD, UH, SOME FUTURE TECHNOLOGY THAT'S COMING DOWN. 
          UH, JAPAN, UM, AND EVEN KOREA ARE, UM, HAVE GOT AGREEMENTS. 
          ALL THE MOTORCYCLE MANUFACTURERS THAT ARE GOING ELECTRIC MOTORCYCLES, THEY'VE ALL JUST AGREED THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE SWAPPABLE BATTERIES AMONGST ALL THE MANUFACTURERS. 
          AND SO ALL YOU GOTTA DO IS, IS PULL UP TO, AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE STATIONS, EVERY BLOCK WILL HAVE A STATION WITH 10 BATTERIES IN IT. 
          YOU GO UP, YOU TAKE YOUR BATTERY OUT, YOU PUT IT IN, YOU TAKE YOUR NEW BATTERY, PUT IT IN, AND A LOT OF THE FOCUS IS, UM, LOCAL. 
          A LOT OF EVS NOW, WE'RE STILL THINKING, AND AS AMERICANS, OH, WE NEED TO CHARGE UP OUR BIG, UH, CARS WITH A 200, UH, UH, VOLT SYSTEM THAT'S GOING TO GET US 200 MILES AND DO IT REALLY FAST IN HALF AN HOUR. 
          AND THAT WHOLE MINDSET IS KIND OF WEIRD AND OFF ODD IS WHAT THE REST OF THE WORLD IS THINKING. 
          SO THEY'RE ALL SHIFTING TO EVEN THE, UH, SMALLER CARS THAT ACTUALLY HAVE SWAPPABLE BATTERIES. 
          SO YOU DON'T GO UP AND CHARGE YOUR CAR, YOU SWAP YOUR BATTERY. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHAT THE REST OF THE WORLD IS DOING, NOT PUTTING IN THESE, THESE BIG CHARGE TESLA CHARGE STATIONS ALL OVER THE PLACE. 
          SO THAT'S ONE THING TO CONSIDER AND, UH, TO SUPPORT. 
          UH, UH, DAVE'S COMMENT ABOUT, UH, WHERE TO CHARGE. 
          UM, AFTER SIX YEARS, I'VE HAD MY ELECTRIC CAR, I HAVE CHARGED ONCE AT SOME OTHER PLACE OTHER THAN MY HOME. 
          UM, AND I DIDN'T NEED TO, I JUST DID IT TO TEST OUT THE CARD AND I DIDN'T NEED TO. 
          SO, UM, PUTTING CHARGE STATIONS AT THE HOMES, WHETHER IT BE, UH, INDIVIDUAL HOME OR MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENTS OR MULTI-FAMILY, ANYTHING THAT'S EVEN MORE IMPORTANT THAN DOING IT WORK. 
          ALL THE WORKPLACES ARE DOING IT ANYWAY. 
          IF THEY HAVE A POPULATION OF WORKERS THAT ARE COMING TO 'EM, THEY'RE GONNA DO THIS ANYWAY. 
          WE, THEY DON'T NEED OUR SUPPORT. 
          BUT WHAT DO NEED SUPPORT IS THE, UH, FOLKS THAT ARE IN MULTI-FAMILY HOMES WHO NEED CHARGE STATIONS, AND THEY ONLY NEED ONE 10. 
          THEY DON'T NEED TWO TWENTIES, THEY ONLY NEED ONE TENS. 
          SO FINDING ABILITY TO CHARGE THE SMALLER VEHICLES, WHICH THEY CAN GET AROUND TOWN WITH, AGAIN, THAT THAT'S OUR FUTURE, NOT, NOT OUR BIG, UH, SUVS THAT NEED TO GO 200 MILE, 400 MILE RANGE, WHICH IS WHAT STILL WHAT THEY'RE STILL MAKING HERE IN THE US. 
          SO THAT'S JUST THINKING ABOUT WHERE WE'RE GOING, WHERE WE NEED TO GO INTO REAL FUTURE, UM, RATHER THAN THE DIRECTION WE SEND SOON BE HEADING NOW THAT, YEAH, THAT'S GREAT. 
          I GUESS JUST TO TIE THAT THREAD OFF WITH THE LIKE ONE 10 THING OR WHATEVER, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WERE TO TAKE THIS AND MAYBE LIKE, WHAT CAN THE CITY DO TO STREAMLINE ONE 10 CHARGING AT LOW INCOME APARTMENTS, THAT'S GONNA GET YOU A LOT FARTHER THAN LIKE AN EV CHARGING PROGRAM FOR THIS POPULATION CENTER. 
          AND SO THAT WOULD BE ONE RECOMMENDATION IS TO MODIFY AND LIKE, WHAT CAN THE CITY DO? THE CITY CAN HELP WITH THE PERMITTING AND APPROVAL AND STREAMLINING OF SOME BASIC ELECTRICAL WORK. 
          AND TO SOMEWHAT ENCOURAGE THAT THROUGH, UM, THE CODE. 
          YOU KNOW, AND I, THIS THI THIS TOPIC HERE IS PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT TOPIC I WANT TO GET FEEDBACK ON FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          YOU KNOW, HAVING SAT IN ON SEVERAL OF THOSE WHEN THEY, THE CHARGE CODE WAS LIKE, CHARGE READY, YOU KNOW, AND EVERYONE WAS LIKE, OH, THAT MEAN, AND THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT CHARGE READY MEANT, AND IT DIDN'T MEAN A WHOLE LOT, YOU KNOW, BUT THEY'VE ADVANCED ALONG SINCE THAT. 
          AND SO NOW THEY'RE REALLY, YOU KNOW, PRETTY BULLISH ON REQUIREMENTS FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT FOR THIS AND CODIFYING THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT. 
          BUT LIKE, WHAT CAN WE DO FOR EXISTING BUILDINGS AND LOW INCOME AND APARTMENTS? I THINK THE CITY CAN DO SOME WORK WITH BASIC, YOU KNOW, CARROTS FOR ELECTRICAL UPGRADES. 
          UM, YEAH. 
          AND THEN I GUESS TO SEGUE FROM NUMBER 10 TO NUMBER 11, YOU KNOW, IF I WERE TO ADD SOMETHING TO LIKE NUMBER 10 AND IT BEING THE FUEL SHIP THING, I MEAN, PARTNERSHIP WITH SONOMA CLEAN POWER, I MEAN, THEIR BUSINESS MODEL IS THE SELL ELECTRICITY, AND THEY HAVE ALL KINDS OF EV CHARGING PROGRAMS. AND TO THINK THE CITY COULD DO A BETTER JOB THAN SONOMA CLEAN POWER IS, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S LIKE THE CORNERSTONE ACTION IS LIKE MARCH, SOMEONE FROM SEP HERE ANNUALLY TO TELL THEM HOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE ADDING MORE CHARGERS TO THEIR CUSTOMER BASE. 
          I'LL COMMENT ON THAT. 
          WE DIDN'T WANNA WRITE SONOMA CLEAN POWER IN THERE. 
          LIKE EVERGREEN PLAN IS LIKE THE OBVIOUS LOW HANGING FRUIT, BUT WE DIDN'T FEEL LIKE IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO WRITE A, LIKE A SPECIFIC COMPANY THAT IN A, IN A DOCUMENT FOR THE CITY, BUT YOU GUYS WOULD KNOW IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE. 
          SO , UM, I IT COULD, IT CAN BE FINE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I'LL JUST SAY THAT, UM, THAT IS OBVIOUSLY IT'S IN THE BLUEPRINT ITSELF, AND WE DIDN'T ELEVATE IT TO A CORNERSTONE ACTION AS PART OF OURS BECAUSE OF THE HIGH RATE ALREADY. 
          BUT I THINK IT'S A, IT CAN BE AN APPROPRIATE, UM, SET OF ACTIONS AND THE CITIES WILL BE ESSENTIALLY ENABLING OR PROVIDING EDUCATION AND HELPING GET PEOPLE INTO THOSE PROGRAMS THEMSELVES, RIGHT? SO I THINK THERE'S A, A ROLE FOR THE CITY THERE TO HELP WITH NUMBER 11. 
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CAN I, CAN I SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THAT? SORRY. 
          OH, YEAH. 
          UM, BUT I MEAN, TO THAT POINT, ONE OF THE REASONS, UH, I THINK IT WAS IN 20 20, 80 9%, IS THAT RIGHT? 89% OF PETALUMA WERE EVERGREEN. 
          NO, SONOMA CLEAN POWER, SONOMA CLEAN POWER. 
          UM, SO I THINK WHEN, WHEN REMY WAS LOOKING AT THIS, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE KIND OF GO BACK TO THAT BIGGEST BANG FOR OUR BUCK, THE THOUGHT WAS, IS THIS THE BIGGEST BANG FOR OUR BUCK? IT'S NOT NOTHING, BUT IS IT, IS THAT, IS THAT WHERE WE FOCUS ON IT? WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THIS OVER TIME. 
          LIKE WE DISCUSSED, CAN WE REQUIRE PEOPLE TO DO SONOMA CLEAN POWER EVERGREEN? I KNOW WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT FOR, ESPECIALLY WITH NEW, NEW PROJECTS, CAN WE REQUIRE, AND WE, WE CAN'T LEGALLY REQUIRE. 
          SO WE CAN ENCOURAGE, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, I WAS THINKING, COULD WE PUT SOMETHING IN OUR UTILITY INSERTS TO SAY LIKE, HEY, DID YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF THING. 
          UM, BUT JUST AGAIN, WE KIND OF COME BACK TO THIS THING OF IS THAT THE BIGGEST IMPACT WE CAN GO AFTER WITH THESE CORNERSTONES? UM, SO I GUESS THAT'S, THAT'S WHY IT DIDN'T MAKE IT AS A CORNERSTONE WHEN WE WERE DOING IT, IS BECAUSE IT FELT LIKE THERE WAS A PRETTY HIGH, UM, SONOMA CLEAN POWER. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT THE LEVEL OF EVERGREEN, I'M GUESSING MAYBE WE COULD FIND THAT OUT. 
          UM, BUT TO HAVE IT AS A CORNERSTONE, IF IT'S A INCREMENTAL PIECE YEAH. 
          IT'S IN HERE. 
          THE LEVEL OF, UM, I THINK IT, I THINK YOU DO HAVE IT IN HERE, BUT IT'S LOWER. 
          IT'S, I MEAN, I'M JUST GONNA BALLPARK 25% OR SOMETHING, OR LIKE 10% EVEN DOES EVERGREEN ON EVERGREEN AND EVERGREEN IS A HUNDRED PERCENT CLEAN ENERGY AND SON CLEAN POWER IS NOT, YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IN THE ENERGY GROUP, SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A GROUP OF LIKE, ENERGY EXPERTS FROM THE COMMUNITY AND, UM, THAT WAS LIKE THE, LIKE HANDS DOWN THE BIG ONE, THE THING THEY SAID TO DO. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          LIKE IF THERE WAS ONE TAKEAWAY, CAN I, OH, SORRY. 
          AND TO BE CLEAR, I THINK ONE OF OUR THOUGHTS WAS, AGAIN, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MAGIC WAND WOULD BE, UM, BUT TO SORT OF THINK OUT OF THE BOX. 
          I MEAN, MAYBE IT'S, THE CITY MAKES A DEAL WITH SNOWMAN CLEAN POWER. 
          WE SAY, WELL, WE, WE GUARANTEE THAT. 
          AND THEN THE CITY BUYS DOWN THE COST FOR LOW INCOME RESIDENTS OR SOMETHING. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF POTENTIAL MECHANISMS THAT MAYBE AREN'T IN PLACE RIGHT NOW, BUT WE'D LOVE THERE TO BE SORT OF THIS INTENTION AROUND IT, RECOGNIZING THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MEANS IS RIGHT NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          OH, JUST 'CAUSE I WORK FOR A COMMUNITY CHOICE AGGREGATOR . 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, MY OWN MY OWN THOUGHT ON, ON SEEING WHERE THE WHOLE STATE IS GOING WITH THE RENEWABLE PORTFOLIO STANDARD AND, UM, SONOMA CLEAN POWER'S LEADERSHIP IN THIS, UH, REALM. 
          I THINK THAT WHILE, YOU KNOW, REALISTICALLY WHILE THERE IS SOME, UH, VALUE IN ENCOURAGING ADOPTION OF THE EVERGREEN PROGRAM, UM, THERE IS DIMINISHING RETURNS AS YOU START CLIMBING UP THAT LADDER. 
          UM, AND THE TRUTH IS THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL THE UTILITIES ARE GONNA HAVE TO GET TO A HUNDRED PERCENT RENEWABLES. 
          THAT'S THE LAW, RIGHT? LIKE, THEY HAVE TO DO IT. 
          UM, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, IT'S IN FITS AND STARTS. 
          IT'S HAPPENING. 
          SO I FEEL LIKE THAT PIECE IS KIND OF BEING TAKEN CARE OF. 
          UM, AND SO JUST MY OWN PERSONAL VIEW ON IS LIKE, I, I, I THINK, AGAIN, ENCOURAGEMENT AND, AND EVERY LITTLE BIT CAN, CAN HELP ON THAT REGARD, BUT, UM, THE, YEAH, I, I, I, I'M HAPPY TO SPEAK TO YOU FURTHER ON LIKE MORE OF A TECHNICAL LEVEL OF LIKE HOW THIS ALL WORKS. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE OFFLINE, BUT, UH, MY OWN PERSONAL BELIEF IS SNOW CLEAN POWER IS DOING THIS. 
          THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE, THEY'RE GONNA GET TO A HUNDRED PERCENT RENEWABLE AND FOR EVERYBODY, RIGHT? UM, SO I THINK WE, WE'VE PUT CITY RESOURCES ELSEWHERE TO ACHIEVE, UM, YOU KNOW, RESULTS THAT, THAT CAN, UH, BE, HAVE MORE IMMEDIATE EFFECT. 
          UM, YEAH, I THINK EVERYONE HAS MADE GOOD POINTS THAT I AGREE WITH. 
          I AGREE WITH DAVE THAT THE GOAL OF EVERGREEN IS TO GET REGULAR SONOMA CLEAN POWER TO A HUNDRED PERCENT FASTER THAN THE LAW MANDATES. 
          AND THEY'RE DOING THAT THROUGH DEVELOPING 
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GEOTHERMAL FACILITIES IN, YOU KNOW, MENDOCINO AND LAKE COUNTIES PRIMARILY. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A BOARD MEMBER ON THAT AGENCY. 
          AND I THINK WHAT THE CITY CAN DO IS TO SORT OF HELP FURTHER THAT, YOU KNOW, AT THE CINEMA CLEAN POWER LEVEL. 
          I THINK PART OF THIS LIKE, PROGRAM TO TRANSITION, THAT'S INTERESTING. 
          THE LEGALITY ON THE NEW DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENT. 
          I HAD HEARD SOME CCAS, SOME JURISDICTIONS AND CCAS WERE LIKE HAVING THOSE SOFT MANDATES WITH SOME SUCCESS, UM, IN THE FORM OF LIKE REDUCED IMPACT FEES OR SOMETHING IF THE BUILDING IS ON THE ALL ELECTRIC, UM, CLEAN ENERGY PROGRAM. 
          AND SO THAT'S MAYBE A, AN INCENTIVE, UM, FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD EXTEND THAT INCENTIVE TO LIKE, ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE DOING ALL THIS WORK TO ELECTRIFY AND DECARBONIZE THEIR BUILDING. 
          WELL, WE CAN, WE HAVE AN INCENTIVE FOR THEM TO SWITCH TO EVERGREEN AT THAT POINT. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, HEY, YOUR PERMIT FEE IS FREE IF YOU SHOW ME YOUR EVERGREEN BILL. 
          YOU KNOW, LIKE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA SWITCH TO EVERGREEN ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA DECARBONIZE AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA BE FORCED TO SWITCH TO EVERGREEN ARE GONNA TANK YOUR PARTICIPATION IN SEP RATES. 
          RIGHT? AND IT COSTS MORE, RIGHT? LIKE THAT, IT COSTS MORE, THEY ELECTRICITY COSTS MORE OF THE, OF THE 89%, THE 11% ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE HIGHLY PRICE SENSITIVE. 
          AND THERE WAS A BRIEF PERIOD WHEN PG AND E WAS CHEAPER THAN EVERGREEN AND THOSE PEOPLE LEFT, YOU KNOW? AND SO SCP WOULD NOT WANT US TO TRANSITION EVERYONE TO THEIR MORE EXPENSIVE RATE AND LOSE ALL OF THEIR CUSTOMERS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, BUT, BUT THEY DO WANT EVERYONE WHO WANTS TO BE ON EVERGREEN TO BE ON EVERGREEN. 
          AND THE CITY CAN NUDGE THOSE PEOPLE TO DO THAT IN SOME EFFECTIVE WAYS. 
          YOU KNOW, THIS ALSO, THIS DOESN'T REALLY SPEAK TO COMMUNITY SOLAR AT ALL. 
          I KNOW COMMUNITY SOLAR IS LIKE MENTIONED IN SOME OF THE CLEAN ENERGY PARAGRAPHS, BUT THERE ISN'T EVEN NECESSARILY ACTIONS AROUND IT. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE THE FIELD I WORK IN EVERY DAY, AND I CAN TELL YOU LIKE NET METERED SOLAR IS THE OLD DAYS, AND PEOPLE ARE STILL GONNA DO IT A LITTLE BIT IN LIKE THE, AT, AT LEAST AT THE NON-RESIDENTIAL LEVEL, YOU KNOW, AT THE RESIDENTIAL LEVEL. 
          STILL PEOPLE ARE GONNA DO SOLAR AND BATTERIES AND EVS AND ALL THAT. 
          BUT AT THE NON-RESIDENTIAL LEVEL COMMUNITY, SOLAR IS GONNA BE YOUR GROWING ASPECT OF THIS. 
          AND SO THE CITY NEEDS TO HAVE A THOUGHTFUL APPROACH TO PROMOTING AND SUPPORTING COMMUNITY SOLAR PROJECTS IN THE CITY LIMITS AND IN OUR REGION. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, EVEN PARTICIPATING IN THOSE, YOU AND I SHOULD, UH, TALK OFFLINE ABOUT THAT. 
          'CAUSE I HAVE HEARD COMPLETELY THE OPPOSITE , SO I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR MORE AND, AND BE PERSUADED. 
          UM, NO. 
          ARE WE, WE ALREADY COVERED NUMBER 12 A LITTLE BIT. 
          WE WANT TO CRACK THAT AGAIN. 
          WE, WE, WE COVERED 12. 
          I THINK WE SHOULD MOVE ON . 
          AND I'M DOING A HORRIBLE JOB OF FACILITATING THIS MORE QUICKLY. 
          I THINK I JUST WANNA , UM, SO MAYBE WE GO TO 13. 
          YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT IT FIRST, HEATHER? AND THEN, UM, WHAT'S OUR ENDS TIME JUST TO SAY IT? JUST ASK HIM. 
          I'M GONNA SUGGEST THAT SINCE 13 IS A BIG ONE, MAYBE WE CALL IT HERE. 
          WOULD THAT BOTHER ANYBODY TERRIBLY? WE'RE, WE'RE TWO THIRDS THROUGH. 
          WELL, LET'S, LET'S JUST TRY AND SURF THROUGH THE, SOME OF THE LIGHTER ONES FOR A HALF AN HOUR. 
          IS THAT THEY WANTED TO DO 13 . 
          THEY WA I THINK THEY WANTED TO HIT EVERYTHING. 
          AND I THINK FRESH MIND, ARE WE GONNA STOP AT 10? WELL, WE'RE AT, WE'RE WE'RE AT 12. 
          WE'RE AT 13. 
          I THINK SHE'S 10 O'CLOCK. 
          OH, 10:00 PM SORRY, . 
          THAT ANSWERED. 
          THAT'S A GOOD SIGN. 
          , IF WE'RE GONNA, I MEAN IT'S, WE'RE NOT GONNA GET THROUGH IT ALL. 
          NO, IT SEEMS LIKE SOME PEOPLE HAVE SEVEN O'CLOCK MEETINGS. 
          YEAH, I'VE BEEN UP SINCE SIX. 
          I THINK IT'S MY BRAIN'S TIRED. 
          I DON'T KNOW ABOUT Y'ALL. 
          SO IT'S UP TO YOU. 
          CAN, CAN YOU SUMMARIZE YOUR QUESTIONS I GUESS RATHER THAN GOING THROUGH ALL 10? IF YOU COULD SOMEHOW PROVIDE, WE CAN JUST LISTEN TO YOU. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          I GUESS. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, WITH 13 IT KIND OF GOES BACK TO SAYING HIRE A DIRECTOR. 
          IT'S SAYING CREATE A DEPARTMENT. 
          AND I, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, TRYING TO LOOK AT WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO FOCUS ON. 
          OBVIOUSLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO FOCUS 
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ON IS NATURAL SYSTEMS IN URBAN FORESTRY. 
          SO HOW, HOW EXACTLY THAT'S DONE. 
          UM, WE'RE GONNA NEED TO TALK ABOUT, AND YOU KNOW, I KNOW AN URBAN FORESTRY DEPARTMENT CAME UP WITH THE TREE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE, AND I SAID KIND OF THE SAME THING, THAT WE DON'T HAVE A TREE, UH, AN URBAN FORESTRY DEPARTMENT OR A URBAN FORESTRY DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR RIGHT NOW. 
          SO I CAN'T WRITE IT INTO THE CODE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T EXIST NOW. 
          MAYBE IT'LL EXIST NEXT YEAR. 
          MAYBE IT'LL EXIST IN TWO YEARS. 
          YOU KNOW, I, THAT'S NOT MY CALL. 
          SO, UM, BUT WHAT I DO SEE UNDER HERE IS LIKE A, A LOT OF THINGS AROUND NATURAL SYSTEMS IN URBAN FORESTRY. 
          SO EXACTLY HOW TO, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TALK ABOUT HOW TO FOCUS ON THOSE, UM, WITH OUR RESOURCES. 
          I, I DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT, I DON'T HAVE A CLEAR ANSWER ON THAT. 
          UM, BUT I, I DO KNOW MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD NOT BE TO AFFORD A RECOMMENDATION. 
          THAT'S TO CREATE A DEPARTMENT. 
          'CAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH THAT GOES INTO THAT, INCLUDING BUDGET, ESTABLISHING, YOU KNOW, STAFFING, RESOURCES, ACTIONS BY COUNCIL. 
          SO, UM, I THINK 14 WE'VE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THIS IS REALLY, I, I'VE HEARD SOME MENTION ABOUT 14 REALLY TRYING TO ELEVATE WHAT THE CITY IS DOING TO BE THE LEADER. 
          AND IT HAS BEEN CLARIFYING TO HEAR YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT IT IN TERMS OF LIKE, THE CITY'S STANDARD SHOULD NOT BE BELOW WHAT WE'RE ASKING EVERYBODY ELSE TO DO. 
          WE SHOULD BE LEADING BY EXAMPLE. 
          WE SHOULD BE THE, YOU KNOW, THE GOLD STAR AND, AND DOING EVERYTHING WE, WE CAN AND KNOW TO DO. 
          SO. 
          I THINK I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          AND IT'S ALSO, I THINK PART OF THIS, NUMBER 14 IS ALSO, UH, LETTING PEOPLE KNOW ALL THE THINGS WE'RE DOING TOO, BECAUSE WE ARE DOING A LOT. 
          AND SO DOING A BETTER JOB, BEING TRANSPARENT ABOUT THAT, GETTING THAT INFORMATION OUT, SHOWING THE COMMUNITY THAT THE CITY IS WALKING THE WALK, NOT JUST TELLING THEM WHAT TO DO, BUT WE'RE ALSO DOING THINGS. 
          UM, IF I CAN JUMP IN REALLY QUICK, HEATHER, I THINK ALSO PART OF 14 IS DEVELOP AND ACTIVELY MAINTAIN WE WEB AND OTHER PUBLIC RESOURCES. 
          I THINK WHAT I'VE HEARD TONIGHT IS IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE CITY DEVELOPING AND ACTIVELY MAINTAINING THOSE, AT LEAST BEING AWARE OF THOSE THAT DO THAT ALREADY AND POINTING PEOPLE IN THAT DIRECTION. 
          AGREED. 
          SO I'VE, THAT WOULD BE SOME FEEDBACK THAT I'VE RECEIVED TODAY. 
          YEP. 
          AND I'VE RECEIVED THAT SAME FEEDBACK, LIKE WITH, WITH THE REBATES FOR ELECTRIFICATION AS WE'RE BUILDING OUT ELECTRIFICATION INFORMATION, DON'T TRY TO REDO THINGS AND RE-SAY THINGS JUST DIRECT PEOPLE TO, UM, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING IT AND ARE KEEPING THEIRS UP TO DATE AND ALL OF THAT KIND OF STUFF. 
          UM, LET'S SEE, 15. 
          UM, IT IS REALLY, UH, I MEAN, WE HAVE AN INTERNAL TASK FORCE WE'RE LOOKING AT AND WORKING ON CODE UPDATES. 
          UM, SO I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A MODIFICATION OF THAT. 
          UM, UM, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ARE ALREADY DOING ACROSS DEPARTMENTAL, RIHANNA, MYSELF BUILDING. 
          UM, SO PULLING, PULLING THOSE TOGETHER. 
          UM, AND, AND OF COURSE OUR LEGAL TEAM. 
          UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON 16 OR 17 OR 18? I THINK WE ARE DOING A LOT WITH ZERO WASTE AND WASTE AND POLLUTION ORDINANCES AND POLICIES. 
          SO, UM, FLUSHING THAT OUT AS A TEAM. 
          I THINK WE'VE, I THINK THOSE ARE PRETTY CLEAR. 
          YEAH, I THINK 2024 WE'RE GONNA SEE A LOT OF THESE THINGS HAPPEN. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN 19 WENT BACK TO THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY. 
          SO CAN I JUST ADD ONE THING? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. 
          UM, AND IT'S A COMMENT, NOT A QUESTION. 
          UM, THE BUY CLEAN CALIFORNIA STANDARDS, LIKE THAT WAS A REALLY GOOD ADDITION AND SOMETHING WE MISSED AND PROBABLY MISSED MORE BROADLY IN THE BLUEPRINT ABOUT THE MATERIALITY OF, UH, CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS WITHIN SAY, UH, CITY CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, FOR EXAMPLE, AS BEING AN OPTION. 
          SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS LIKE A, A GOOD CATCH AND A GOOD ELEVATION AND PROBABLY SOMETHING WE SHOULD LOOK AT IN OTHER PARTS OF THE PLAN AS WELL. 
          BUT JUST WANTED TO FLAG THAT AS A GOOD ADDITION. 
          I DO, DO YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT, IT'S LIKE SOME OF THESE, LIKE 19 IS MORE OF A RECOMMENDATION AND NOT AN ACTION PLAN. 
          AND SO IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE SOMEWHAT AGREEING ON HAVING 20 CORNERSTONE ACTIONS, IS IS 19, UH, EVEN IN ACTION AND CAN WE, WE COULD CERTAINLY GET THE TDM IN THE PARKING ONES BACK IN THERE. 
          MAYBE. 
          I MEAN, 19 COULD BE, SORRY, 19 COULD JUST AS EASILY HAVE BEEN PUT UNDER THE STRUCTURAL. 
          I 
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THINK IT, IT WAS IN FACT, YEAH. 
          I THINK WE WERE JUST REALLY REINFORCING THAT AND UH, PARTICULARLY IN LIGHT OF THE HIGH IMPROBABILITY OF HAVING A 50 PAGE DOCUMENT. 
          YOU KNOW, I THINK AS JOHN RESTATED IT, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN HAVE YEAH. 
          A SHORT, YOU KNOW, 10, 15 PAGE, AGAIN, VERY PUBLIC FRIENDLY DOCUMENT. 
          YEAH, UNDERSTOOD. 
          I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S THE CRUCIAL PIECE. 
          AND THEREFORE IT WILL BE PART OF THE BLUEPRINT AND THEREFORE IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE A CORNERSTONE ACTION 'CAUSE IT'LL BE THERE. 
          I, I GUESS ON THE, THE WATER ONE, JUST 'CAUSE WE DO HAVE NOW A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA TIME AND WE GOT THROUGH THE 19 PRETTY QUICKLY. 
          UM, I, I APPRECIATE MY REQUEST AT THE LAST MEETING WAS THAT THERE WASN'T A CORNERSTONE ACTION RELATED TO WATER. 
          AND THERE IS HERE, I THINK THIS ONE IS A LITTLE NARROW, YOU KNOW, IN MY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS, THERE'S LIKE A WATER MASTER PLAN CONCEPT, AND I THINK REFERENCING THAT, UM, IS A BIGGER EFFORT THAN JUST LIKE A SMALL BUT IMPORTANT LIKE, INCENTIVE PROGRAM. 
          UM, YEAH. 
          AND I, YOU KNOW, I, TO ME, WHEN I THINK RESILIENT WATER SUPPLY, I THINK WHAT MARIN COUNTY IS DOING, BOTH THE NORTH MARIN WATER DISTRICT AND THE CENTRAL SOUTHERN MARIN WATER DISTRICT, AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVE SOURCES APPLY TO THE RUSSIAN RIVER, YOU KNOW, AND I AM ASSUMING THAT'S WHAT THE WATER MASTER PLAN WILL INCLUDE SOME OF THAT, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS LIKE AN ACTUAL REAL RESILIENCE PLAN. 
          NOT LIKE EVERYONE, PLEASE DO YOUR BEST NOT USE WATER. 
          SO, UM, I APPRECIATE THAT THERE IS A WATER CORNERSTONE ACTION. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF A RESIDENTIAL AND CENTER PROGRAM IS THE MOST IMPACTFUL WE CAN HAVE THERE. 
          UM, YEAH, I THINK THAT CAME OUT OF THE FACT THAT WE FELT THAT SONOMA WATER WAS ADDRESSING THOSE LARGER ISSUES THAT YOU MENTIONED. 
          SIMILAR TO MARIN, MAYBE NOT. 
          I MEAN THAT'S, THAT WAS OUR UNDERSTANDING. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I THINK, I THINK THIS WILL HAVE TO BE A TOPIC FOR A FUTURE MEETING. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          I, I GUESS I PERSONALLY, YOU KNOW, UM, DON'T TRUST CINEMA WATER TO, WE'RE AT THE END OF THE LINE FOR THEM, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S LIKE THE ONE AFTER US IS NOVATO AND THEY'RE LIKE, HEY, WE'RE GONNA NEED A PLAN FOR NOT HAVING RUSSIAN RIVER WATER ANYMORE. 
          AND SO, UM, FROM AN ADAPTATION, THIS IS MORE OF AN ADAPTATION PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, LIKE, I WANT PETALUMA TO HAVE OUR PLAN TO LIKE, HAVE OUR WATER, BACKUP WATER COME FROM OUR ORIGINAL SOURCE, YOU KNOW, UM, OR DESALINATE THE RIVER, YOU KNOW, AND SONOMA WATER IS NOT LOOKING AT DESALINATING THE RIVER. 
          THERE'S DEFINITELY ADAPTATION THOUGH. 
          I THINK, I MEAN, I THINK WE KIND OF STRUGGLED WITH THE WATER CHAPTER IN GENERAL 'CAUSE IT JUST DIDN'T FEEL LIKE IT WAS SO FOCUSED ON MITIGATION, WHICH IS DOCUMENT IS VERY FOCUSED ON MITIGATION. 
          YOU KNOW, I I WILL SAY THAT I THINK, UM, IN THE COMING MONTHS THERE WILL BE A DISCUSSION AT COUNCIL ABOUT THE INTEGRATED WATER MASTER PLAN. 
          UM, AND THAT DOES GO BEYOND JUST WHAT WE'RE GETTING FROM SONOMA WATER. 
          IT LOOKS AT CREATING ALTERNATIVE SOURCES. 
          UM, SO THAT DOESN'T REALLY HELP FOR THIS  DISCUSSION HERE. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE AS STAFF CAN LOOK AT THAT AND TRY AND FIGURE OUT, LIKE WE DID FOR ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION VERSUS COMPLETE STREETS, TRY TO FIND THE RIGHT BUCKET OR MULTIPLE BUCKETS THAT THE, THAT THESE ACTIONS FALL UNDER. 
          AND, UM, TRY TO, I THINK WE CAN TRY TO ADAPT IT FOR THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THIS WAS JUST MO MOSTLY FOCUSED ON USING LESS WATER. 
          YEAH. 
          AND MOST OF THE WATER WE USE THAT'S NOT REALLY NEEDED IS IRRIGATION WATER. 
          SO THAT'S, AND THAT'S 50% OF OUR WATER USE. 
          SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THAT WAS GOING. 
          IT COULD GO INTO THE CARBON GARDENING IDEA, FOR EXAMPLE. 
          IT COULD BE PART OF THE SAME PROGRAM, BUT WE'RE MOVING A LOT OF WATER AROUND FOR THAT PURPOSE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, SORRY IF I MISSED THIS. 
          THIS RELATES TO, UH, NUMBER 18. 
          UH, ITEM H IS THIS, I THOUGHT I READ THAT THIS IS ALREADY HAPPENING. 
          THAT THAT, UH, GAS FIRED LANDSCAPE EQUIPMENT IS GOING AWAY. 
          I BELIEVE THAT'S THE SALE, NOT NECESSARILY THE USE OF EXISTING EQUIPMENT. 
          OH, THANK 
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YOU. 
          SORRY, I'M AGAIN GETTING A LITTLE TIRED. 
          THAT NEW STATE IS 2027, THE SALE. 
          I, I THOUGHT THAT THE STATE WAS MUCH SOONER. 
          I THOUGHT IT WAS, IT WAS JAN ONE. 
          YEAH, EXACTLY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE NORTH BAY BUSINESS JOURNAL HAD A PRETTY GOOD ARTICLE ON IT. 
          THE, UM, THE EQUIPMENT BUYER FOR FRIEDMANS WAS MENTIONED. 
          AND SO THAT WAS POSITIVE IN THAT HE WASN'T LIKE SHIRKING HIS LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY , YOU KNOW, BUT HE WAS VERY CLEAR LIKE, WE ARE LEGALLY ALLOWED TO SELL WHAT WE HAVE PROCURED ALREADY AND WE WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO SELL NEW STUFF FOR THIS. 
          AND SO THAT IS IN EFFECT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YEAH. 
          SO THE DISTINCTION THERE BEING THE USE, USE, YEAH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , YEAH. 
          WHICH I DEFINITELY SUPPORT. 
          AND I MEAN, WE HAVE PLENTY OF PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE TOPIC, AND I THINK THERE'S, YOU KNOW, GOOD GROUNDS FOR THAT ACTION. 
          UM, MY, MY ONLY, MY ONLY ADDITION WOULD BE JUST SOME KIND OF, AND MAYBE THERE, THERE AGAIN, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS LIKE, IS THE CITY DOING THIS OR IS COUNTY STATE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF INCENTIVE TO, TO TRADE IN OLD EQUIPMENT, UM, TO HELP OUT FOR, BECAUSE LIKE I TALKED TO MY OLD GARDENER WHO, UM, I WAS LIKE, HEY, HOW, HOW WOULD THIS AFFECT YOU? HE IS LIKE, WELL, I'M UNLICENSED, SO IF IT'S A LICENSED PRO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE TO BE A LICENSED UH, CONTRACTOR OR SOMETHING, IT'S LIKE, THAT'S NOT GONNA WORK FOR ME. 
          SO JUST, JUST A, IT'S AN FYI ABOUT INCENTIVE PROGRAMS AND WHO QUALIFIES THINGS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          NO, THERE'S THE SOAR PROGRAM THAT COVERS THIS, I THINK. 
          YEAH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I THINK WITH THE STATE OF THE BUDGET, IF YOU WEREN'T A LEADER LEADING LANDSCAPE COMPANY, YOU WILL PROBABLY BE LEFT WITH SHORT SHRIFT. 
          SO THAT IS A RELEVANT DISCUSSION WHEN WE DO TALK ABOUT NUMBER H, LETTER H, YOU KNOW, THAT LIKE THERE IS THE STATE FUNDING AND PROGRAM FOR THIS AND THAT FUNDING IS PROBABLY GOING AWAY OR GONE. 
          UM, IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT PEOPLE DIDN'T ACT AND WEREN'T AWARE OF IT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, BUT ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE CITY CAN REGULATE HOW LARGE BUSINESSES OPERATE. 
          AND I MEAN, I, EVERY TUESDAY, FIVE INDUSTRIAL BLOWERS OPERATE ON MY BLOCK AND FOR AN HOUR IT'S NOT LIVABLE, YOU KNOW? AND SO THERE'S THINGS THE CITY CA COULD AND SHOULD DO, YOU KNOW, AND I WON'T GET ON MY HIGH HORSE ON THAT TOPIC, BUT I SUPPORT THIS ONE AS A CORNERSTONE OF ACTION. 
          YEAH. 
          100%. 
          AGAIN, JUST LIKE THOSE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, NOT TO GET ON MY HEART, BUT, UH, I'LL, I'LL GET ON A LITTLE PONY. 
          UH, THEY, THESE FOLKS THAT ARE USING THE GAS BLOWERS ARE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THEIR LIVELIHOOD. 
          SO WE, YOU KNOW, SAYING YOU CAN'T USE SOMETHING THAT THAT'S THEIR EQUIPMENT THAT THEY OWN. 
          I JUST THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME KIND OF, YOU KNOW, GOOD FAITH INCENTIVE, UM, OR SOMETHING. 
          YEAH. 
          THE CITIES THAT HAVE DONE THIS HAVE BEEN VERY CLEAR ONTO WHO AND WHEN IN DISTINGUISHING THOSE THINGS AND HAVING DIFFERENT TIMELINES. 
          AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S LIKE TWO OR THREE LARGE LANDSCAPE MANAGEMENT COMPANIES THAT OPERATE IN THIS TOWN. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER SRI, LET'S SEE, THE, UM, OH, FOR 18. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONE WE'RE DISCUSSING. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I WANNA ABOUT F AND G AS FAR AS CLIMATE CHANGE ACTION, F AND G SORT OF LIKE ARE, ARE GETTING OUT THERE FOR CLIMATE ACTION. 
          I KNOW THEY'RE A PART OF INTEGRATED PEST MANAGEMENT, BOTH AND, UH, USE OF PLASTICS, BUT THOSE ARE POLLUTIONS AND THINGS, NOT QUITE CLIMATE CHANGE ACTION. 
          SO HAVING IT AS A CORNERSTONE IN CLIMATE ACTION. 
          'CAUSE I COULD ACTUALLY SHOW THAT HERBICIDES AND PESTICIDES, 'CAUSE THAT'S MY PROFESSION THAN I DID FOR MANY YEARS, UM, ACTUALLY HAVE A LOWER CARBON FOOTPRINT THAN, THAN, UH, MECHANICAL. 
          UM, AND ALSO LOTS OF LIFE LIFESAVING, UM, THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON WITH THAT TOO IN CERTAIN CASES. 
          SO, UM, SO INCLUDING THOSE AS CLIMATE ACTIONS REQUIREMENT, THEY REALLY NEED TO BE INCLUDED IN THE INTEGRATED PEST MANAGEMENT PROGRAM. 
          UM, ALONG WITH THE, UM, UH, THE WHOLE LANDSCAPE PROGRAM, WHICH HOPEFULLY IT WILL BE INCLUDED WITH THAT IS HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH TURF AND ARTIFICIAL TURF? UM, SO NOT QUITE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS REALM. 
          I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE IN THE IPM REALM AND THE GENERAL PLAN, UH, PROCESS ON THAT. 
          SO THAT'S JUST, UH, MY, MY PERSONAL OPINION FROM, FROM BEING IN THE PROFESSION. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN THROUGH, UM, THE 19 ITEMS HERE. 
          I GUESS I'LL MAKE ONE FINAL, UH, COMMENT. 
          UM, BACK TO THE WATER ONE, IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE LIKE A WATER CORNERSTONE ACTION, UM, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THAT THE, LIKE BIOGAS FACILITY, AND THAT IS A CORNERSTONE ACTION, BUT OF THE LIKE, IMPROVEMENTS TO THE DOCUMENT AND THAT CHAPTER, I DO THINK THE COMMENTS I PROVIDED ARE 
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PROBABLY THE MOST IMPACTFUL COMMENTS I COULD MAKE IF I HAD TO SELECT THEM. 
          SO THAT FACILITY IS A $15 MILLION FACILITY THAT MY UNDERSTANDING IS NOT OPERATING, YOU KNOW, AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD COMMENT ON THAT IN THE DOCUMENT AND, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE ROOM FOR ANOTHER CORNERSTONE ACTION, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD GET MY VOTE. 
          SO BEN, I FELT, UH, THAT I THINK WE FELT WE WERE NOT KNOWLEDGEABLE ENOUGH ABOUT THAT ISSUE TO REALLY, UM, EVALUATE HOW IT STOOD AS A CORNERSTONE. 
          UH, SO MAYBE WHEN WE COME BACK NEXT MONTH, IF YOU COULD ELUCIDATE THAT. 
          YEAH, I MEAN, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, PART OF WHAT I HAD DRAFTED AS LIKE AN ACTION CHAPTER WAS THAT THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR IN 2024 PROVIDE AN UPDATE TO THE PUBLIC IN TERMS OF WHAT IS THIS THING? IS IT OPERATING? WHAT ARE THE PLANS OF THE FUTURE FOR IT? YOU KNOW, LIKE WE DON'T HAVE ANY, THE PUBLIC AT LEAST DOES NOT HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF THIS OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, THE MEETING WHERE THE 15 CHANGE ORDERS WERE APPROVED, YOU KNOW, TO GET THE CONTRACTOR OFF THE HOOK, YOU KNOW, AND SO, AND MY PERSONAL CONVERSATIONS WITH FORMER EMPLOYEES OF THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLAN ARE, YOU KNOW, DISCOURAGING. 
          AND SO, UM, THE TRANSPARENCY ISSUE AND LACK OF AWARENESS IS, IS A BIG ONE. 
          BECAUSE IF YOU ASK RECOLOGY WHAT'S THEIR GHG REDUCTION PLAN, IT'S LIKE USING BE LUMA'S FACILITIES, BIOGAS, YOU KNOW? UM, AND WHEN YOU, WHEN THE CITY COUNCIL GETS PRESENTATIONS ON USING RENEWABLE DIESEL, THERE, THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE CONFUSED BETWEEN WHAT IS RENEWABLE DIESEL AND WHAT IS BIOGAS, YOU KNOW? AND SO, UM, FOR HEAVY DUTY VEHICLES, UNDERSTANDING YOUR FUEL OPTIONS IS ONE OF THE LARGER CLIMATE IMPACTS YOU COULD MAKE. 
          AND SO AS LIKE THE CITY BEING A MODEL AND A LEADER, THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM IS LIKE, HEY, WE'RE THE CITY. 
          WE HAVE THIS $15 MILLION BIOGAS PLANT THAT IS NOW OPERATIONAL THANKS TO SOME DAYLIGHTING. 
          UM, AND WE ARE NOW POWERING ECOLOGY'S FLEET. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU FEDEX, LIKE, WHAT IS YOUR PLAN TO OPERATE YOUR FLEET HERE? IS IT A HYDROGEN PLAN? IS IT AN ELECTRIC PLAN? IS IT A PLAN THAT WE, IF WE HAD SURPLUS BIOGAS FROM OUR FACILITY THAT YOU COULD FUEL HERE? YOU KNOW, LIKE THAT'S A BIG IMPACT THAT THE CITY IS ONE OF THE FEW CITIES IN AMERICA THAT HAS THIS BIOGAS PLANT THAT COULD BE FUELED BY OUR WASTEWATER PLANT, LIKE ONE OF THE FEW IN AMERICA THAT HAS THIS FACILITY THAT HAS SPENT THE $15 MILLION ON IT. 
          AND SO THE OPPORTUNITY IS REAL. 
          THE IMPACT CAN BE BIG AND THE LEADERSHIP CAN BE BIG, BUT YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC'S AWARENESS OF IT IS, IS LACKING. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, 
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I GUESS THE LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS COMMITTEE MEMBER COMMENT. 
          I, I WILL, UM, DEFER FROM NAMING PEOPLE BY NAME AND JUST GIVE, UH, EVERYONE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RAISE THEIR HAND IF THEY CHOOSE TO MAKE A COMMENT. 
          SO I'LL JUST MAKE IT OKAY. 
          I KNOW IT'S LATE, EVERYBODY. 
          UH, FIRST OF ALL, I, I REALLY WANTED TO COMMEND THE AD HOC MEMBERS. 
          UM, I HAD A LOT OF COMMENTS AND I HAD A LOT OF OPINIONS AND, UH, THOSE, THOSE WERE ALL MEANT WITH TOTAL RESPECT AND ADMIRATION FOR THE HARD WORK THAT YOU PUT IN, UH, PUTTING THIS TOGETHER. 
          UM, AND SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS REALLY CLEAR BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE MAY HAVE DIFFERENCES OF OPINION, BUT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME TEAM. 
          AND, UH, AND YOU GUYS DID A REALLY REMARKABLE JOB IN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME TAKING ON A HUGE TASK. 
          SO JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT. 
          UM, AND THEN ON MORE PLOT, IT'S, UH, THIS IS FOR THE, UH, INDOMITABLE, UH, RENA FRANK. 
          UH, AND WE JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE. 
          UH, VERY SAD TO LOSE YOU, BUT HAPPY THE COUNTY GETS TO KEEP YOU. 
          WE LOOK FORWARD TO READING ABOUT YOUR EXPLOITS AND WORKING WITH YOU, UH, IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE. 
          IT HAS BEEN AN HONOR AND A PLEASURE. 
          UM, AND, UH, YEAH, SO, UH, FROM, FROM, I'M SURE ALL OF US TO YOU, THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER STRIPS, UM, BASICALLY DITTO ON THAT, UM, TO BOTH THE, THE COMMITTEE, I THINK THE, WHAT YOU CAME UP WITH WAS FAR SUPERIOR THAN ANYTHING I WAS THINKING OR COULD 
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EVEN POSSIBLY DO. 
          UM, AND, UH, UM, SO I'M REALLY HAPPY THAT, THAT YOU, YOU DID WHAT YOU DID AND IT, AND WE BROUGHT IT FORWARD LIKE THIS. 
          SO WE, UH, WE HAVE A REALLY GOOD PROCESS ON THAT. 
          THANK YOU RIHANNA. 
          AND THAT THEN THE REPORT FROM CITY COUNCIL IS THE MAJOR TOPIC LAST TIME, UM, UH, BE, BE BESIDES THE WAR WAS THE, UM, UH, WATER AND THE WATER FLOODING AND CLIMATE CHANGE IS COMING. 
          UM, AND WHAT'S THE IMPACTS IS ON, UH, SO THERE'S NEW MODELS THAT'S BEING IMPROVED ALL THE TIME. 
          SO IF YOU WANNA TAKE A LOOK AT THE MAPS THAT ARE AVAILABLE THROUGH THERE AND THE PRESENTATION, UM, AND THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, UH, FLOODING FROM RAIN VERSUS FLOODING FROM SEA LEVEL RISE. 
          AND, UH, UM, PRETTY MUCH IT'S, UH, NORTH AND SOUTH IS WHERE THINGS HAPPEN AND THE CENTER IS SAFER FOR THE MOST PART. 
          UM, BUT THERE'S STILL LOTS OF PROPERTIES THAT WE NEED TO PROTECT FROM EITHER ONE, AND THERE'S DIFFERENT ACTIONS THAT NEED TO BE TAKEN FOR FLOODING VERSUS, UH, FROM RAIN VERSUS FLOODING FROM SEA LEVEL RISE. 
          SO, UH, WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THOSE AS TWO DIFFERENT THINGS DOWN THE ROAD. 
          AND THAT WAS THE BASIC SUM OF THE, THE MODELERS WHO CAME IN AND TALKED TO US, I THINK. 
          [STAFF COMMENT]
IS THERE A STAFF COMMENT? OH, YOU, YOU, YOU HAVE SOME COMMITTEE COMMENTS? YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO THANK RIHANNA. 
          RIHANNA, I'M SORRY. 
          GOTTA GET MY SOUTHERN ACCENT GOING. 
          , IT WAS A REALLY PLEASURE WORKING WITH YOU, AND I FEEL LIKE YOU REALLY MOVED US DOWN THE ROAD QUITE A LOT. 
          UH, I KNOW YOU PUT YOUR HEART AND SOUL INTO IT AND WORKED REALLY HARD AND UM, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST AS EVIDENCED IN THIS PROCESS, LIKE WE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD ALL OF THE COMMUNITY, UH, INPUT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, YOU REALLY ORCHESTRATED THAT. 
          AND, UM, I FEEL LIKE IT WAS VERY TRANSFORMATIVE. 
          YOU KNOW, WE HADN'T ACHIEVED THAT LEVEL OF, OF INTEGRATION OF PUBLIC COMMENT AND PARTICIPATION BEFORE, NOT IN THIS COMMISSION ANYWAY. 
          UH, SO THAT WAS A HUGE EFFORT AND, UM, A LOT OF COALITION BUILDING AND CONVERSATION. 
          SO I, I JUST, I THINK YOU'VE JUST DONE A, AN OUTSTANDING JOB AND WISH YOU GOOD LUCK ON YOUR NEXT STEPS AND JUST LOTS OF APPRECIATION AND GRATITUDE. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY, WELL, EVERYBODY ELSE ALREADY SAID ALL THE GOOD STUFF, BUT I WILL ADD MINE. 
          AND MARIANA, YOU JUMPED INTO A COMMISSION THAT HAD NEVER EXISTED ANYWHERE THAT WE'RE AWARE OF BEFORE, SO THERE WAS NO PRECEDENT FOR THAT. 
          AND UM, I THINK YOU HANDLED IT ALL WITH AMAZING, A PLOM . 
          SO CONGRATULATIONS FOR GRABBING THE TIGER BY THE TAIL AND  NOT GETTING TOO INJURED IN THE PROCESS, I HOPE . 
          UM, YEAH. 
          SO CONGRATULATIONS AND, UM, SORRY TO LOSE YOU AND, UH, MORE POWER TO THE COUNTY. 
          I HOPE YOU DO MORE TRANSFORMATIVE STUFF THERE AND SURE. 
          WE'LL CROSS PATHS AGAIN, SO BEST OF LUCK AND THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          I GUESS, UM, BARRING NO OTHER COMMENTS, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED IN HONOR OF MS. FRANK AT 10:17 PM.
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