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[CALL TO ORDER]
AND, UH, I AM, UH, ANNA DIETRICH, UH, VICE CHAIR FILLING IN FOR CHAIRMAN MARGAN, WHO'S NOT HERE TONIGHT.
AND CLAUDIA, THANK YOU IN ADVANCE FOR KEEPING ME ON TRACK.
UM, SO I BELIEVE THAT, UH, WE, FIRST THING WE START WITH IS OUR ROLL CALL.
SO WE HAVE, UH, COMMISSIONER DOMI HERE.
UH, MYSELF IS VICE CHAIR DIETRICH IS HERE.
UH, COMMISSIONER PERRY, ABSENT.
AND, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER NOW HERE.
[GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT]
WE DO HAVE, UM, THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION OF THE MEETING.UH, IS ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO COMMENT? NO.
UH, WE DID RECEIVE ONE COMMENT, UH, VIA EMAIL EARLIER TODAY, WHICH, UH, I BELIEVE, UH, DAN IS GONNA SUMMARIZE FOR US.
WE, WE RECEIVED ONE, UM, WRITTEN, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT, UH, TODAY, UH, BEFORE THE DEADLINE.
UH, SO WE DID POST THAT, UH, WE DID NOT POST THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT, AND IT CONTAINED SOME EMAILS INTERNAL, UH, UH, CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE, UM, COMMENTER.
UM, SO WE, WE ARE NOT ABLE TO POST THOSE WITHOUT THE C ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, UH, GIVING APPROVAL.
UH, SO, BUT WE DID POST A, THE, UM, STATEMENT FROM THE PERSON, UH, FROM THE PARTY THAT, UM, MADE THE COMMENT.
SO THAT IS POSTED ON THE, ON THE AGENDA, UM, THE HTML AGENDA, WHICH IS ON THE, ON THE WEBSITE FOR THE MEETINGS PAGE FOR THE CITY.
AND THEN JUST ONE NOTE, UH, TERRY ONE, IF YOU COULD LEAN FORWARD WHEN YOU MAKE A COMMENT TO THE MIC, UH, WE HAVE BEEN HAVING SOME, UH, LOW AUDIO, UH, RECORDING ISSUES.
SO IF YOU COULD HELP US OUT WITH THAT, WE'D REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
UM, AND, UH, THERE WERE, UH, A FEW QUESTIONS IN THAT DOCUMENT, WHICH I BELIEVE WE WILL BE ADDRESSING AT LATER POINT IN THE MEETING OR, OR BY EMAIL FOLLOWING.
CAN YOU HELP ME OUT WITH HOW WE WOULD ANSWER THAT? YEAH, I GUESS MAYBE WE COULD JUST, WELL, AND WE COULD ADDRESS IT DURING THE, UM, JUST A COUPLE OF THE QUESTIONS DURING THE AIRPORT MANAGER'S REPORT, OR WE COULD DO IT NOW.
LET'S, LET'S SAVE IT FURTHER REPORT.
UM, SEEING NO FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT, UH, DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, PRESENTATIONS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SHARE TONIGHT? NO PRESENTATIONS.
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
WE'RE ON TO APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM THE DECEMBER 7TH MEETING.UM, ALL THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE BEEN PROVIDED WITH A COPY OF THOSE.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY EDITS OR CORRECTIONS ON THOSE? THE MINUTES SEEM PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE TO ME.
SHOULD WE NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? I BELIEVE, UH, WE DON'T NEED A MOTION TO APPROVES, ASSUMING THERE'S NO CHANGES.
SO WITH GRATITUDE, CLAUDIA ADMISSION ARE APPROVED, WHICH MEANS THAT WE ARE ON TO, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION, WHICH AT THIS TIME WE DON'T HAVE ANY ITEMS. DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY OF THOSE TONIGHT.
UM, SO WE ARE ON COMMITTEE COMMENT.
[COMMITTEE COMMENT]
DO WE HAVE ANY COUNCIL UPDATES OR AD HOC COMMITTEE SUBCOMMITTEE UPDATES? UH, COUNCIL MEMBER RIGHT NOW? UM, YES.WE HAVE HAD, UM, TWO MEETINGS IN THE MONTH OF JANUARY FOR THE NEW YEAR.
AND WE, UM, ARE LOOKING AHEAD TO PUTTING THE UGB BALLOT MEASURE ON THE NOVEMBER, UM, TO RENEW OUR UGB.
THAT WAS, UM, IT WAS A VERY HUGE PART OF PETALUMA'S GREEN BELT BACK WHEN HELEN PUTNAM WAS MAYOR.
SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO GET THIS RENEWED AND ON THE BALLOT, UM, WE'LL BE DISCUSSING OUR GOALS AND PRIORITIES COMING UP, AND WE'RE LOOKING AHEAD TO SOME NEW HOUSING PROJECTS.
AND, UM, THEY CITY TOOK OVER THE FAIRGROUNDS, AND THAT IS NOW OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
ALL THE FACILITIES CAN BE RENTED THROUGH THE CITY NOW.
SO, BUT WE WILL STILL HAVE A FAIR AND ALL THAT'S GOOD INFORMATION.
SO THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME BACK ANOTHER YEAR.
ANY, UH, AD HOC SUBCOMMITTEE REPORTS? UM, UH, GIVEN OUR SCHEDULES, NANCY AND I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO
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GET TOGETHER, BUT WE HOPE TO IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.WE'VE GOT A FEW THINGS TO GO THROUGH AND WE'VE FOUND SOME INTERESTING, UM, INFORMATION FROM A OPA ONLINE, UM, REGARDING, UM, UH, HANGAR RENTAL RATES AND FUEL COSTS AND OCCUPANCIES AND, UM, A TENANT, UH, SURVEY TO GATHER DATA AS AN EXAMPLE OF F AIRPORTS IN THE MIDWEST.
AND IT'S FAIRLY LENGTHY, SO WE HAVE TO KIND OF GO THROUGH THAT AND SIFT IT DOWN TO THE, UH, VIABLE THREE PAGES OUTTA 62.
BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, ANYWAY, UH,
SO, UH, WE'LL SPEND SOME TIME DOING THAT AND, UH, TRY TO NARROW DOWN OUR FOCUS, BUT AT LEAST THEN GET SOME STEPS MOVING FORWARD.
UH, ONE OF THE BIG, UM, ISSUES THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, TO DEAL WITH IS, UH, COMPETITIVE DATA AND DEMAND, UH, NOT JUST FOR HANGERS, BUT FOR TIE DOWNS AND ACCESS AND, AND ALL OF THAT.
SO, UH, GIVEN THE INCREASE IN THE, UH, COMMERCIAL AVIATION ACTIVITY UP AT SONOMA COUNTY AIRPORT, I HEARD THEY JUST GOT ANOTHER AIRLINE THAT'S GONNA BE POPPING IN THERE.
UM, WE'D LIKE TO TALK TO JOHN STOUT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, UH, THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE DIRECTLY APPLICABLE GIVEN ALL OF THE, UH, REVENUE SOURCES THAT THEY HAVE ACCESS TO WITH PASSENGER TAXES AND ALL THAT, THAT WE DON'T.
SO ANYWAY, THERE'S A LOT TO LOOK AT, BUT WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN NARROW THAT DOWN.
IT MAY TAKE A WHILE, BUT IT'S PART OF OUR ONGOING, UH, INITIATIVE.
AND, UH, JUST ON THE HANGAR ALLOCATION, UH, AD HOC, THERE'S A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS I'LL HAVE FOR DAN JUST IN THE, UH, FOR THE MANAGER'S REPORT.
UM, I KNOW RIGHT NOW IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE ARE A COUPLE VACANT HANGERS, IS THAT CORRECT? SO THAT'S, UH, THAT'S GOOD NEWS.
UM, 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN A CO THERE'S A COUPLE NEW TENANTS ON THE FIELD, UM, THAT I'VE HAD A CHANCE TO TALK TO.
THERE WAS ONE THAT ACTUALLY I BELIEVE CAME DOWN FROM SANTA ROSA, WHO WAS SURPRISED TO, UH, FIND THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE A WAITING LIST, SO HE WAS ABLE TO BE ACCOMMODATED.
SO IT'S NICE TO SEE SOME, UH, SOME NEW TENANTS ON THE AIRPORT.
YOU KNOW, THERE WAS ONE OTHER TENANT WHO, UM, HAD SOLD HIS PLANE A YEAR OR TWO AGO AND IS NOW BACK, WHICH IS GREAT.
SO, UM, HAVING AVAILABILITY FOR THOSE TO COME ON THE FIELD THAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE AT OTHER AIRPORTS, UM, IS GREAT.
SO, UH, JUST MOVING FORWARD, TRYING TO STILL COME UP WITH A WAY TO KIND OF HANDLE SOME ISSUES THAT EXIST MOSTLY NOW AT THE, UH, AT THE WEST, AT THE NORTHWEST END.
WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT DURING THE MANAGER'S REPORT.
OTHER THAN THAT, UM, THAT WAS ALL I HAVE.
UH, NOTHING FOR THE PROCESS AD HOC.
UH, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER COMMENTS AT THIS TIME? THERE WAS A, UM, PROPOSAL FOR AN ADDITIONAL AD HOC, UH, COMMISSIONER, RIGHT? OH, I'M SORRY.
I WAS WAITING FOR THAT TO SNAP UP
I SAW THAT AND, AND DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING UNDER IT AND THOUGHT IT WAS A BLANK SPOT.
UM, WELL, UH, AS WE ALL KNOW AND APPRECIATE, UH, FORMER COMMISSIONER BARRY LAWRENCE'S ACTIVITY WITH THE COMMISSION SINCE, I DON'T KNOW, SINCE THE END OF THE GLASS ICE AGE, UM, UH, HE WOULD LIKE TO STAY INVOLVED AND, UM, HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THE NEW, UM, UM, HEAD OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND A COUPLE OF OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE ROLLED OVER SINCE HE AND I LAST MET WITH THEM, UH, LAST YEAR.
AND TO KEEP THAT PROCESS GOING AND KEEPING THE OPEN COMMUNICATION AND JUST IF ANY OF THEM ARE LISTENING, UM, OUR INTENT IS NOT TO WALK IN AND ASK THEM TO GIVE US SOMETHING.
IT'S OUR INTENT TO SHARE WITH THEM, UH, THE ROLE OF THE COMMISSION, THE, UH, PROCESS THAT HAS GOTTEN THE AIRPORT TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
BECAUSE THAT HISTORY IS VALUABLE IN PUTTING THINGS IN PERSPECTIVE AND CONTEXT AND KEEP THAT COMMUNICATION OPEN SO THAT THEY HAVE ANY ISSUES AND EXPECTATIONS.
WE'RE OPEN AND, AND FREE TO TALK ABOUT ALL OF THAT.
AND IN THE PAST, THAT'S GONE OVER VERY WELL.
WE JUST LIKE TO KEEP THAT GOING.
SO BARRY'S IDEA WAS, HEY, CAN I CONTINUE TO HELP? WHAT, WHY NOT? THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM.
QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? OR IS IT NO, I, OKAY.
I THINK MORE COMMUNICATION IS USUALLY BETTER.
UH, SO DO WE NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE THE, UH, THE NEW AD HOC COMMITTEE OR, YEAH, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD.
AND THIS WOULD BE THE FIFTH AD HOC.
UM, IF I'M COUNTING CORRECTLY.
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WELL THEN, UM, IF SOMEBODY COULD MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, ENDORSE THAT, I'LL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, CREATE THE NEW, DID YOU HAVE A, A PREFERRED NAME FOR THE NEW AD HOC? UM, I THINK WE'LL CALL IT THE, UM, UH, CITY STAFF.SENIOR CITY STAFF LIAISON, AD HOC.
UM, SO YEAH, I'LL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CREATE A FIFTH AD HOC COMMITTEE.
THE, UH, SENIOR CITY STAFF LIAISON AD HOC.
I'LL SECOND I'LL IN FAVOR A, AYE, AYE.
SO, TOM, DID YOU JUST, I'M SORRY.
I SHOULD HAVE ASKED IF I COULD SPEAK, UM, DID YOU TALK TO THE, UM, WE HAD A RECRUITER HERE ON WHAT WE WANTED TO SEE ON THE NEW POLICE CHIEF, AND THEN THE NEW POLICE CHIEF WILL BE HIRED PROBABLY THIS SUMMER.
WE'LL GET ALL THE, THE, UM, NAMES AND DO THE INTERVIEWS AND CHOOSE PROBABLY BY THIS SUMMER.
UM, AND INTERIM, BRIAN MILLER IS DOING A FABULOUS JOB, AND I THINK HE HAS SUBMITTED HIS NAME AND, UM, I HAVEN'T SEEN THE LIST OF OTHER, UM, CANDIDATES, BUT, UM, DID YOU MEET WITH THE RECRUITER? NO.
I'M NOT SURE THAT BARRY HAS, BUT HE'S AWARE THAT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE IN PLACE AND A COUPLE IN PROCESS.
IF YOU, ANY INFORMATION YOU HAVE THAT YOU COULD SHARE IT WITH ME, I'LL GET IT TO BARRY.
I DIDN'T CLICK ON IT, BUT IF YOU GO ON THE CITI WEBSITE, I KNOW IT'S LIKE THE FIRST THING YOU SEE AND IF YOU WANNA ASK QUESTIONS OH, OKAY.
UM, TO, WHEN WE DO OUR INTERVIEWS, WE ARE TRYING TO GATHER ALL THE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMUNITY ON WHAT VISIONS THEY WANT TO SEE, AND THE AIRPORT'S VERY MUCH A PART OF THAT VISION, UM, FOR THE FUTURE OF PETALUMA AND WHAT WE WANNA SEE.
SO JUST GO TO THE CITY WEBSITE.
I'LL TAKE A LOOK AND THEN PASS THAT TO BARRY.
AND, AND THANKS TO BARRY FOR BEING WILLING TO CONTINUE TO HELP.
UM, SO I THINK, I THINK THAT MEANS THAT WE ARE ON
[STAFF COMMENT]
TO THE AIRPORT MANAGER REPORT.UH, JUMPING INTO FINANCIAL, UM, WE'RE TRACKING REALLY WELL FOR THE YEAR.
WE'RE KIND OF THE SIX MONTH MARK OF THE FISCAL YEAR.
UH, WE'RE SHOWING REVENUES OF, UH, JUST OVER A MILLION AND WE EXPENDITURES OF ABOUT 1.36 MILLION.
THAT ALSO INCLUDED THE, UM, AS WE NOTED HERE AT THE BOTTOM, THE, UH, $464,000 PRINCIPAL AND, UM, $20,000, UM, INTEREST PAYMENT FOR, UM, FOR FISCAL YEAR 24.
UM, SO, SO FAR WE'RE TRACKING REALLY WELL FOR THE YEAR.
UH, THE HANGAR REVENUE IS EXACTLY AT HALF THE HALF MARK.
UM, SO WE'RE LOOKING GOOD FOR A, A FISCAL YEAR 24, CLOSING THAT OUT.
UM, AT LEAST ADD BUDGET OR MAYBE A LITTLE BIT UNDER BUDGET.
UM, THERE WAS A QUESTION PREVIOUSLY, UM, ABOUT THE, UM, UH, THE, THE PRINCIPAL PAYMENTS ON THE HANGAR PROJECT AND DEPRECIATION, AND I THINK THERE WAS A, WAS DID ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT? YEAH, I DID.
I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY UPDATES OTHER THAN THE EMAIL WE GOT FROM THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT, UH, THE WAY THEY, THEY WILL SHOW THOSE, THE PAYMENT OF THE INTEREST AND THE PRINCIPAL AS PART OF THE EXPENDITURES, BUT FOR WHATEVER REASON, ONCE THE YEAR IS SETTLED, THEY DON'T REALLY CONSIDER THAT AN EXPENDITURE.
IT'S JUST SHOWN THERE, I THINK, FOR BUDGETARY PURPOSES.
SO THAT MAY BE A GREAT QUESTION TO ASK, UM, THE NEW FINANCE DIRECTOR WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU DO YOUR AD HOC, UH, MEETING WITH THEM AND, UM, THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO CLARIFY THAT MORE, ESPECIALLY THE DEPRECIATION PART THAT I CAN'T REALLY SPEAK TO.
UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT'S A FORMULA THEY HAVE.
UM, BUT JUST, JUST TO CLARIFY, DEPRECIATION, WE THOUGHT THERE WAS A, MAYBE AN ERROR LOOKING AT IT, BUT THE DEPRECIATION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE, THE PAYMENTS, RIGHT? THEY ARE VERY CLOSE.
UM, BUT YES, THE DEPRECIATION IS HANDLED TOTALLY SEPARATELY.
AND THAT MIGHT BE A REALLY GOOD, UM, TOPIC TO GET INTO WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU MEET WITH THEM.
NO, IF YOU GET A CHANCE TO SET SOMETHING UP AND I CAN MEET WITH YOU AND THE FINANCE DIRECTOR, I'D BE GREAT.
I'D JUST LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT.
'CAUSE IT CAUSED SOME ISSUES YEARS AND YEARS AGO, AND I JUST DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO GET OUTTA LUCK.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, FINANCIALS AT ALL? OH, I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION.
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PORTION OF THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX THAT ALL THE AIRPORT TENANTS PAY FOR THE VALUE OF THE AIRCRAFT AND THE, THE GROUND THEY COVER, BE IT A, A TIE DOWN OR A A HANGAR, UM, WE'VE GOT IT BUDGETED FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND.IT HASN'T HIT THE ACCOUNT YET.
I CHECKED LAST YEAR AND IT DIDN'T COME IN SHOW UP UNTIL THE MAY COST REPORT.
IS THAT TYPICAL THAT IT COMES AT THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR? I THINK IT DOES, AND THE REASON IS THE COUNTY, IT TAKES THE COUNTY A WHILE TO GET ALL THE DATA BACK FOR, UM, THE PRIOR YEAR, AND THEN IT TAKES A WHILE FOR THEM TO COLLECT.
UM, SO I THINK THAT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE DELAY.
SO IT TAKES ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS.
BECAUSE LAST YEAR WE HAD A BUDGET FOR THAT OF 90,000 AND WE BROUGHT IN 165,000.
AND I DON'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS FOR THAT ONE.
UM, THERE WERE A COUPLE AIRCRAFT THAT I THINK GOT ASSESSED AT A HIGH, MUCH HIGHER RATE THAN THEY WERE AT.
BUT I, I CAN'T EXPLAIN WHY THAT THAT NUMBER JUMPED AS FAST AS, OKAY.
SO IF, IF HISTORY CONTINUES, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE A BUDGET OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA GO A LITTLE ABOVE THAT.
SO THAT'LL HELP CLOSE THAT GAP BETWEEN THE, UH, EXPENDITURES AND, UH, OPERATING REVENUE.
AND ALSO JUST EVERY, EVERY MONTH IF YOU BREAK THE, WE, WE COLLECT ABOUT A, ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR FROM ALL THE HANGERS.
SO EVERY MONTH,
SO THAT'LL MAKE UP AS WE GENERATE ADDITIONAL, UH, RENT RENTAL REVENUE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, OR COMMENTS ABOUT THE FINANCIALS? I'M MOVING ON TO OPERATIONS.
UM, JUST AN AIRFIELD ACCESS UPDATE.
UH, WE DID, UH, SUBMIT, UM, TWO MAJOR ITEMS TO THE, THE, UM, AIRPORT, UH, COMPLIANCE OFFICE IN REGARD IN, IN RESPONSE TO THE PART 13 COMPLAINT, UM, ONGOING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH THE FAA, BUT WE DID SUBMIT A PROPOSAL TO THEM TO PROVIDE, UH, ACCESS FOR OFF AIRPORT AIRCRAFT.
AND AS A, UH, I THINK A BETTER TI UH, BETTER DEFINITION WOULD BE AIRCRAFT THAT ARE ACCESSING THE AIRFIELD THROUGH OUR ACCESS GATES.
SO, TRAILER, UM, PICKUP, TRUCK BASED AIRCRAFT OF ALL KINDS, ANYTHING FROM A BALLOON TO A HELICOPTER.
WE'VE SEEN EVERYTHING, UM, BE BROUGHT ON AND ASSEMBLED ON SITE.
SO THIS WOULD COVER ALL OF THOSE.
AND SO WE HAVE A PROPOSAL THAT WE PROVIDE TO THE FAA, WE'RE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK.
IF THEY, IF THEY APPROVE AND LIKE WHAT WE'VE SUBMITTED, WE WILL MOVE FORWARD AND CHANGE OUR POLICY.
UM, BUT, UM, FOR NOW WE'RE JUST, WE'RE WAITING.
ADDITIONALLY, UH, WE PROVIDED SOME EDITS TO THE, UM, UH, MINIMUM STANDARDS, THE, UH, COMMERCIAL STANDARDS FOR THE AIRPORT.
WE HAD A, UM, A DRAFT THAT WE'D SUBMITTED TO THE FAI WANNA SAY ABOUT 18 MONTHS AGO.
AND, UM, WE HAD NOT RECEIVED ANY FEEDBACK, UM, UNTIL ABOUT THREE OR FOUR MONTHS AGO.
UM, SO WE'VE MADE SOME CHANGES, UH, MINOR CHANGES.
WE SUBMITTED THAT BACK TO THE FAA FOR REVIEW.
AND HOPEFULLY NOT ONLY THE COMPLIANCE OFFICE, BUT ALSO THE LOCAL A DO WILL BE ABLE TO REVIEW THOSE AND GIVE US ANY, UH, FEEDBACK AND OTHER CHANGES.
NOTHING BACK, BUT WE ARE GETTING MOVEMENT AS OF OKAY.
I WANNA SAY 90 DAYS AGO WE GOT, UM, WE DID GET, UH, A REQUEST FOR A REVISION US MINOR REVISION.
I JUST HAD, UH, ONE QUESTION, DAN, ON THE, UM, ACCORDING TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT WE RECEIVED, THERE WAS ONE ITEM HERE THAT, UM, CLAIMED THERE WERE CHANGES TO THE TEMPORARY ACCESS FORM.
UM, WERE THERE ANY CHANGES MADE TO THAT? OR COULD YOU CLARIFY WHAT THAT WERE? THERE'S NO, CURRENTLY, THERE'S NO HARD RESTRICTIONS ON, ON NUMBERS OF DAYS OF ACCESS.
UM, OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD BE MANAGER, UM, DEPENDENT ON, ON THE APPROVAL OF AN ACCESS.
UM, BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT PUTTING ANY, ANY HARD LIMIT ON DAYS OF ACCESS FOR AN OFF AIRPORT AIRCRAFT COMING THROUGH THE VEHICLE ACCESS GATES.
AND THEN THE FINAL ITEM HERE WAS, UH, AS FAR AS THE TIME GOES, SO I GUESS THEY WERE REQUESTING, UM, LOOKS LIKE THE TIME TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC.
SO IF SOMEONE WERE TO REQUEST ACCESS, IS THAT, DOES THAT START, ARE THEY ABLE TO REQUEST ACCESS STARTING IN A CERTAIN HOUR, NOT JUST ON A CERTAIN DAY? SO I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE, WHEN DOES THAT 48 HOUR PERIOD START? IS IT WHEN YOU GUYS APPROVE THE ACCESS, OR ARE THEY ABLE TO SELECT THEIR START TIME TO START THAT? THEY, THEY JUST SELECT A DAY, SO WHATEVER DAY THEY WANT.
AND IF YOU NEEDED MULTIPLE DAYS, YOU JUST SUBMIT.
SO THAT WOULD START MIDNIGHT ON THAT DAY.
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OR I, I GUESS I'M ASSUMING THAT'S WHAT HE'S REFERRING TO HERE, IS WHEN DOES THAT 48 HOUR PERIOD, THAT'S HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS.IT'S ALL BASED ON THE, ON THE DAY, YOU KNOW, AT ZERO ZERO 1:00 AM IT, THAT IS THE DAY.
AND THEN JUST TO CLARIFY, UM, THE CURRENT FORM AND WHAT WE ARE CURRENTLY ALLOWING IS NOT A PERMANENT SITUATION.
IT IS JUST A TEMPORARY SITUATION UNTIL WE CAN COME UP WITH AN OPTION THAT THE FA APPROVES AND THAT WOULD BE OUR PERMANENT, UM, THAT WOULD BE A PERMANENT, UH, POLICY GOING FORWARD.
AND ONE FINAL THING ON THAT, IF YOU DON'T MIND, DAN, THE, UM, A WHILE BACK, WE, UM, PASSED A MOTION TO, UM, SEND A REQUEST TO, UH, CITY RISK MANAGEMENT REGARDING THAT 90 DAY TRIAL THING.
HAVE WE HEARD ANYTHING BACK FROM STAFF ON THAT? YES, THAT WAS, UH, THAT REQUEST, UM, WAS REVIEWED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND THE RISK MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT, UM, BOTH WEIGHED IN ON WHAT THEIR PREFERENCES WERE.
UM, AND, UH, WE, WE USE THAT FOR THE PROPOSAL TO THE FAA.
UM, AND I, I WOULD SHARE MORE, BUT IT'S IN FLUX.
THEY COULD SAY, WE DON'T LIKE YOUR PROPOSAL, SO FOR, BUT WE DO USE THE 90 DAY AS A, UM, A MODEL MOVING FORWARD.
UM, WE'LL JUST HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS OF THAT WILL BE THAT THE FA IS.
WITH ANY OTHER AIRFIELD ACCESS QUESTIONS, UH, IT SOUNDED LIKE THERE WAS, UH, INTEREST IN DISCUSSING THE HANGAR, UH, HANGERS AND HANGERS POLICY OR JUST DEMAND OR, YEAH, I JUST, I GUESS I JUST HAD A COUPLE THINGS I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS ON IT.
UM, NUMBER ONE, OBVIOUSLY HAVING JUST A COUPLE OPEN IS, IS GREAT TO BRING PEOPLE IN IF THEY'RE READY TO GO, HEY, COME ON IN.
UM, WITH THAT SAID, OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TOO MUCH.
IF THE DEMAND ISN'T THERE, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANNA START GOING AFTER SOME OTHER HANGERS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT MAY BE, UH, NON-COMPLIANT.
WITH THAT SAID, UH, YOU KNOW, COME SPRINGTIME AS MAYBE PEOPLE COME OUT OF THE WOODWORK, I GUESS IT'S FAIR TO SAY THOSE HANGERS COULD GO FAIRLY QUICKLY.
SO BASED ON MY OBSERVATIONS, WE SEEM TO BE IN A MUCH BETTER POSITION ON THE, UH, SOUTHEAST SIDE NOW THAN WE WERE A YEAR AGO.
I MEAN, THINGS HAVE DEFINITELY CHANGED.
A LOT OF THINGS HAVE IMPROVED, WHICH IS GREAT.
I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK TO GET IT TO THAT POINT.
UM, WITH THAT SAID, THERE'S, I KNOW, I THINK SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT CURRENTLY EXIST NOW, UM, ARE GONNA BE ON THE, UH, NORTHWEST SIDE.
UM, AND I KNOW THAT THE HANG, THE OLD HANGERS ON THE, ON THE SOUTHEAST SIDE HAVE BEEN INSPECTED SEVERAL TIMES.
THERE'S BEEN THE ELECTRICAL UPGRADES, THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL INSPECTIONS OVER THE LAST YEAR.
SO I THINK, I THINK WE'RE ALL PRETTY CLEAR ON WHAT'S GOING ON DOWN THERE.
MAYBE A FEW THAT, THAT AREN'T IN COMPLIANCE WE AT LEAST KNOW ABOUT.
UM, ARE THERE ANY PLANS TO GO THROUGH AND INSPECT SOME OF THE, THE HANGERS ON THE OTHER SIDE, ELECTRICAL UPGRADES, AND JUST KIND OF GOING THROUGH AND IDENTIFYING SOME OF THE HANGERS THAT MAY NOT BE USED FOR AERONAUTICAL PURPOSES? YEAH, SO I WOULD SAY ABOUT, UM, SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS AGO, WE DID A PRETTY THOROUGH INSPECTION OF, UM, NOT ONLY THE OLDER, UH, ROWS, OH, I GUESS IT, UH, 10 THROUGH 13, UM, BUT ALSO WENT THROUGH THE, UM, ALL THE NEWER ROWS, 14 THROUGH 18 AS WELL, UH, LOOKING FOR COMPLIANCE ISSUES.
UM, MOSTLY JUST IS, IS THERE AN AIRPLANE IN THERE? UH, THERE WAS A FEW THAT WE COULDN'T GET INTO.
IT'S KIND OF A LEGACY ISSUE OF, UM, UH, ASSORTMENT OF DIFFERENT LOCKS THAT WE MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE A COPY TO.
SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THOSE ONE AT A TIME.
IN FACT, WE JUST, WE JUST SOLVED ONE OF 'EM LAST WEEK.
UH, A TENANT HAD TWO HANGERS AND ONE OF THE HANGERS WE DIDN'T HAVE A KEY TO.
UM, WHILE WE WERE TRYING TO GET A KEY, WE ALSO LEARNED THAT THERE WAS SOME ADDITIONAL, SHALL WE SAY, VOLUNTARY LIGHTING.
WE WERE ABLE TO GET THE TENANT TO PULL THAT DOWN.
AND THEN WE, UM, BUT THE REASON THEY WERE SUPPLEMENTING THEIR, THE EXTRA LIGHTING WAS BECAUSE THE LIGHTING FIXTURES IN THERE WERE NOT OPERATING, UH, PROPERLY, THE TWO EIGHT FOOT, UH, FIXTURES.
SO WE WERE ABLE TO REPLACE THOSE WITH LEDS.
SO I DON'T KNOW AT THIS TIME IF WE WERE KIND OF JUST KIND OF DO IT PIECE MILL ONE AT A TIME, OR IF WE ARE GONNA GO THROUGH AND WITH A MAJOR, UM, PROJECT TO GO THROUGH AND, AND UPGRADE THEM ALL.
THE DIFFERENCE WITH, UH, THE NORTHWEST SIDE OF THE AIRPORT IS THERE'S NOT AS MANY HANGERS THAT ARE, UM, THE OLDER HANGERS, AND A LOT OF THEM DON'T HAVE AS MANY ILLEGAL MODIFICATIONS.
UM, SO THAT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT OF A PROJECT.
SO WE, WE COULD SIZE IT DOWN AND THAT THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING FOR THE FUTURE, BUT WE MAY JUST GO ONE AT A TIME AND JUST REPLACE THE EIGHT FOOTERS WITH EIGHT FOOT LEDS.
UM, THE TENANT WAS REALLY, UM, SATISFIED WITH THE UPGRADE, MUCH BETTER LIGHTING, SO
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THAT MIGHT BE SUFFICIENT ENOUGH.IT'S NOT QUITE THE SAME AS HAVING THREE, FOUR FOOTERS.
UM, BUT IT MIGHT BE A COST EFFECTIVE WAY TO GET THOSE HANGERS UP TO, UM, A MODERN LIGHTING, UH, STANDARD.
AND THEN THE LAST THING, JUST MOVING FORWARD TO TRY AND IDENTIFY, YOU KNOW, OTHER HANGERS THAT MAY POTENTIALLY WHETHER MAYBE THERE'S NO AIRCRAFT OR JUST OUTDATED, UH, PAPERWORK.
UH, IF YOU COULD MAYBE GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THE, THE INSURANCE.
BUT THE SECOND PART OF THAT, UM, IF, IF YOU AND YOUR STAFF WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THIS, OTHERWISE I'M HAPPY TO, UH, DO THIS AS PART OF THE, UH, AD HOC SUBCOMMITTEE, BUT BASICALLY GO THROUGH CROSS REFERENCE THE END NUMBERS OF THE AIRCRAFT THAT ARE REGISTERED TO THE HANGERS AGAINST THE FAA DATABASE.
SO I KNOW IN THE PAST THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL, UH, HANGERS WHERE THE END NUMBERS THAT'S REGISTERED TO THAT, UH, PARTICULAR HANGERS LONG SINCE BEEN SOLD.
AND THEN IN SOME CASES THAT AIRPLANE NO LONGER EXISTS, OR MAYBE THERE'S BEEN ANOTHER AIRPLANE THAT'S MOVED IN, BUT THE PAPERWORK'S OUTTA DATE.
AND THEN THE QUESTION WOULD BE, WHAT'S THE INSURANCE SITUATION LIKE? SO, UM, AT SOME POINT IF WE COULD DO THAT CROSS REFERENCE TO TRY AND MAYBE IDENTIFY EITHER OUT COMPLIANCE OR MAYBE JUST PAPERWORK THAT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED, UM, THAT WOULD BE ONE WAY OF TRYING TO IDENTIFY POTENTIAL ISSUES THERE.
THERE'S A NEW TOOL WE'RE USING NOW.
UM, SO EVERY AIRPORT, UH, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IS SUPPOSED TO UPDATE THEIR BASED AIRCRAFT DATABASE.
IT'S AN FAA DATABASE OF ALL BASED AIRCRAFT.
UM, THE ENFORCEMENT OF THAT HAS BEEN VERY LAX.
IT WAS NEVER SOMETHING THAT, UH, A SYSTEM I DON'T THINK THAT PETALUMA EVER USED BEFORE.
UM, BUT AS OF, I WANNA SAY ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO, UM, PARTIALLY BECAUSE WE KNEW WE NEEDED TO GET OUR ACT TOGETHER AND GETTING IN GEAR.
ALSO, THE FA HAS BEEN KIND OF CRACKING DOWN IN AIRPORTS TO MAKE SURE THEIR BASE AIRCRAFT IS ACCURATE.
UM, AND THEY WERE ASKING FOR IT BY THE END OF, UM, 2023.
UH, NOW THAT WE HAVE A FULL-TIME ADMIN, UM, WE ASSIGNED, UH, THEM TO GO THROUGH AND MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE, ALL OF OUR DATA, UH, MATCHED WHAT THE FA HAD.
UM, AND THAT'S BEEN A GOOD TOOL TO FIND OUT WHETHER THE REGISTRATION NUMBERS ARE VALID OR NOT.
NOW, THE, I GUESS THE HOLE IS FOR, UM, HOME BUILDS, IT DOESN'T REALLY WORK 'CAUSE A LOT OF HOME BUILDS DON'T HAVE AN ASSIGNED TAIL NUMBER.
IF THEY, THEY DO, UM, THERE'S NOT MUCH INFORMATION ABOUT IT.
AND SOMETIMES THAT BASED AIRCRAFT WILL NOT CONNECT WITH THAT TAIL NUMBER.
SO WE KINDA HAVE TO PUT 'EM ON A KIND OF A, WE WILL CHECK BACK LATER.
UM, BUT IT HAS BEEN REALLY USEFUL TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THE AIRCRAFT THAT PEOPLE ARE CLAIMING, UH, ARE NOT ONLY THE ACTUAL AIRCRAFT THEY HAVE AT THE AIRPORT, BUT ALSO THAT, UM, THE ENTITY THAT OWNS 'EM IS ACCURATE.
'CAUSE WE WANNA, AS WE DO OUR, UH, POSSESSORY AND, UM, PROPERTY TAX, UH, RECORDS, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S ALL ACCURATE.
SO IT'S REALLY BEEN HELPING US WITH THAT PROCESS.
AND WE'VE BEEN, OCCASIONALLY WE WILL CATCH AN ISSUE THAT IS INSURANCE RELATED BECAUSE IF, UM, WHAT WILL HAPPEN SOMETIMES IS SOMEONE WILL BUY A NEW AIRCRAFT, BUT THEY'LL USE A DIFFERENT LLC.
THE LLC DOESN'T MATCH ANYTHING ELSE.
IT DOESN'T THAT MATCH THE INSURANCE DOESN'T MATCH THE HANGAR LICENSE DOESN'T MATCH ANYTHING.
AND SO WE'LL REACH OUT TO THE, THE TENANT, IT'S HAPPENED A COUPLE TIMES AND JUST SAY, HEY, COULD YOU PLEASE UPDATE YOUR INSURANCE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LLC THAT'S ON THE INSURANCE MATCHES THE AIRCRAFT, OTHERWISE IT'S GONNA BE REALLY HARD FOR US TO EVER PUT A CLAIM THROUGH.
AND I THINK THE ONE CONCERN I HAD WAS IN A CASE WHERE, SAY SOMEBODY SELLS AN AIRCRAFT, THEY CAN EASILY GET LIABILITY ONLY FOR VERY INEXPENSIVE AMOUNT PER YEAR JUST TO HOLD ONTO THE HANGAR.
AS FAR AS THE CITY KNOWS, THERE'S STILL AN AIRPLANE IN THERE.
HOWEVER, IF THERE WERE TO BE A CLAIM, THAT MAY BE A REASON.
IF THE OWNER NO LONGER HAS POSSESSORY INTEREST TO THE AIRCRAFT, THAT POLICY MAY NOT PAY OUT.
UM, SO I DEFINITELY WANT TO SEE KIND OF GET THOSE RECORDS UP TO DATE AND MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE CITY HAS ON FILE IS WHAT'S ACTUALLY GOING ON.
AND THEN THE LAST PART, UM, REGARDING HOME BUILT, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A COMPLETELY LEGITIMATE USE, ASSUMING THAT THAT HANGAR'S BEING USED LEGITIMATELY FOR THOSE PURPOSES.
I KNOW THERE'S ONE THINK IN ROW ONE RIGHT NOW THAT HAS BEEN PRETTY ACTIVE, SO THAT'S GREAT.
UM, BUT I KNOW THERE'S ALSO A COUPLE OTHERS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN TOUCHED IN QUITE A WHILE.
AND, AND UNFORTUNATELY I THINK THE IN THERE WAS NEVER ANY INTENT THERE ACTUALLY COMPLETE THE AIRCRAFT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
UH, SOME OF THESE KITS ARE JUST, UH, BASICALLY A PIECE OF FIBERGLASS THAT'S ON A SHELF SOMEWHERE.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD, IF IT TURNS OUT THAT THESE, YOU KNOW, CURRENT AVAILABLE HANGERS, UM, END UP GETTING RENTED OUT, UM, ARE YOU AWARE OF A, A COUPLE HANGERS THAT DON'T HAVE? OKAY, SO I, I WOULD SAY THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE THOSE IF, IF PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA BE USING THOSE FOR LEGITIMATE PURPOSES, THAT WE TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE AND, UM, MAKE THOSE HANGERS AVAILABLE.
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IT TURNS OUT THAT, UH, THE DEMAND IS THERE SURE.UM, JUST EXAMPLE, UM, RECENTLY THERE THERE'S A COUPLE, UH, WHAT WE DO IS WE, WE DISCUSS THEIR PROJECT WITH THE TENANT, AND I USUALLY ASK THEM FOR A DATE, GIMME A, GIMME A DATE, GIMME A DATE WHEN YOU CAN MOVE, WHEN THIS PROJECT IS GONNA MOVE THE NEXT STEP.
AND SO, UM, IN THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS, THERE WAS A TENANT WHO HAD A PROJECT THAT IT'S KIND OF STALLED OUT.
UM, THEY RELOCATED TO A DIFFERENT PART OF THE AIRPORT, UH, TO A DIFFERENT HANGAR.
AND, UM, FROM ALL, FROM EVERYTHING, I COULD TELL THAT PROJECT HAS NOT MOVED FORWARD IN FOUR YEARS.
THEY SAID THE END OF, UH, 2024.
SO WE PUT IT ON OUR CALENDAR AND WE'LL CHECK BACK IN WITH HIM IN DECEMBER.
AND I MADE IT VERY CLEAR, IF THERE'S NO PROGRESS WITH THIS PROJECT THAT CLEARLY HASN'T MADE, I DON'T HAVE A DOCUMENTATION PRIOR TO THIS, BUT TALKING TO OTHER TENANTS DIDN'T LOOK LIKE YOU MADE ANY PROGRESS IN FOUR YEARS.
UM, THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GIVE UP THE HANGAR, WE WOULD GIVE A TERMINATION NOTICE.
AND I THINK THAT'S HOW WE'RE DOING IT MOVING FORWARD.
OFTEN IT'S THE TIMETABLE IS GONNA BE BASED ON THE TENANT.
LIKE IF THEY SAID TWO YEARS, WELL THAT'S TOO LONG, BUT SIX MONTHS, NINE MONTHS, 12 MONTHS.
OKAY, THAT'S, THAT'S REASONABLE.
BUT YOU HAVE TO SHOW PROGRESS.
SO WE TAKE A PICTURE, IT'S ON OUR CALENDAR.
WE HAVE MADE A CALENDAR INVITE INTERNALLY, SO WHEN THAT DATE POPS UP, I'LL POPS A PICTURE, LET'S GO TAKE A LOOK AT AND SEE WHAT, WHAT KIND OF PROGRESS.
AND THAT THE REASON WE'RE DOING THIS IS, THIS IS BASED ON THE FA RECOMMENDATION.
THEY, THEY'RE OKAY WITH HOME BUILDS, AS EVERYONE IS PROBABLY AWARE.
THEY'VE REALLY RELAXED THE RULES ON HOME BUILDS.
USED TO BE YOU ASSEMBLE IT, YOU, UH, BUILD 'EM AT HOME, YOU PARTS AND YOU ASSEMBLE 'EM AT THE AIRFIELD.
HOWEVER, UM, THE FA CONSIDERS IT'S THE AIRPORT'S, UH, RIGHT.
AND RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE BENCHMARKS AND, UM, HAVE SCHEDULES, WHICH IS TOTALLY REASONABLE.
I, I, I AGREE WITH THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT.
UM, IF I KNOW WE, AND THIS WAS I THINK SOMETHING WE HAD TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING SPECIFIC IN WRITING ADDRESSING THIS ISSUE.
AND I KNOW IT CAN KIND OF OPEN A CAN OF WORMS WHEN YOU START TO PUT THIS STUFF DOWN, BUT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE NOT JUST PROGRESS, BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, PURCHASING OF PARTS.
UH, 'CAUSE LIKE I SAID, I MEAN, THIS ISN'T REALLY GOING AFTER THOSE LEGITIMATE BUILDERS THAT SOMETIMES THINGS GET IN THE WAY.
BUT REALLY I THINK THE, THE ISSUE HERE IS THE ONES, AT LEAST THE ONES THAT I'M AWARE OF, REALLY HAVE NO INTENTION OF CONTINUING.
IT'S REALLY JUST FOR STORAGE, SO OF OTHER NON-AVIATION RELATED ITEMS. SO, UM, IF THERE'S A WAY TO MAYBE PUT THAT IN THERE, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST PROGRESS, BUT HEY, YOU KNOW, HAVE THERE BEEN ANY PURCHASES OF, YOU KNOW, KITS, AIRCRAFT PARTS FOR THIS PROJECT? UM, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S NOT MOVING FORWARD, THOSE THINGS REALLY SHOULD GO FIND A HOME SOMEWHERE ELSE.
AND I, JUST TO MAKE CLARIFY SOMETHING ELSE TOO, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SOMEONE WHO HAS FOUR CARS IN THEIR HANGAR AND A PROJECT THAT'S NOT PROGRESSING AND SOMEONE WHO HAS NOTHING STORED IN THEIR HANGAR, BUT THEY ARE, THEY'RE NOT MAKING A LOT OF PROGRESS EITHER.
I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE LEEWAY FOR SOMEONE WHO'S NOT MISUSING THE HANGAR.
I JUST, I WANNA MAKE THAT CLEAR.
THIS IS NOT, THIS IS NOT REALLY TO GO AFTER PEOPLE THAT ARE STALLING FOR WHATEVER REASON.
IT'S REALLY GOING AFTER IF THERE'S MISUSE AND USING THE AIRPLANE AS AN, AS A WAY TO HAVE A HANGER.
THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
ANY OTHER OPERATION, OPERATIONAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? UH, MOVING TO THE PROJECTS, UM, WE HAVE A DE WE HAVE A SELECTED DESIGN CONTRACTOR FOR THE, UM, THE DRAINAGE, UH, CHANNEL OF THE AIRPORT.
UH, AS A REMINDER, WE, WE HAVE A, UH, SEASONAL CREEK THAT GOES THROUGH THE, THE AIRPORT.
AND DUE TO, UH, SOIL AND MUD BUILDUP AND THE, UH, DEGRADATION OF THE, THE BANKS OF THAT SEASONAL CREEK, IT CAUSES A CERTAIN AREA TO FLOOD.
AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO, TO REDUCE THE FLOODING.
FLOODING IS PART OF THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM, BUT WE DON'T WANT THAT WATER TO STAND, UH, ANIMAL TRACT AND OTHER, OTHER THINGS.
SO, UH, WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT.
UM, DUE THE RECENT RAINS, WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE THE, UH, CONTRACTOR COME OUT AND ACTUALLY OBSERVE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WITH WATER IN IT.
UM, SO WE'RE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY THE BEST WAY FORWARD, BUT WE HAVE A, A PRETTY GOOD IDEA ON SCOPING FOR THAT.
THE NICE THING IS WE'RE ABLE TO COMBINE THIS WITH ANOTHER, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL BIOLOGICAL PROJECT IN THE AREA.
SO TO WHICH SHOULD, UH, REALLY SAVE US A LOT OF MONEY ON THAT.
UH, WE'RE STILL, UH, MOVING FORWARD WITH THE, UH, TAXIWAY ALPHA AND TAXI LANE BRAVO, UM, REHABILITATION DESIGN.
THOSE ARE KIND OF HAPPENING CONCURRENTLY, UH, WITH, UH, MEAD HUNT AS OUR DESIGN CONTRACTOR.
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THE, UM, SUBCONTRACTOR HAS FINISHED ALL THE, UH, SURVEY AND CORING, AT LEAST THE INITIAL SURVEY, AND THEN, UM, THE CORING OF THE, THE PAVEMENT.SO WE HAVE A MUCH BETTER IDEA OF THE, UH, MAKEUP OF THE TAXIWAY AND THE LAYERS BELOW.
UH, STILL DON'T HAVE FINAL DESIGN, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO DO OUR BEST TO, UH, WITH VERY LIMITED BUDGET.
WE'RE TRYING TO REBUILD THE SHOULDERS, UM, MUCH BETTER THAN THEY WERE ORIGINALLY.
UM, DUE TO THE EXPANSIVE SOILS, I'M SURE WE'VE ALL SEEN THE, UM, THE PAVEMENT ISSUES WE HAVE ALL OVER THE AIRPORT.
AND A LOT OF THAT'S JUST BECAUSE THERE'S TOO MUCH, UM, UH, BLACK CLAY THAT'S, UH, STILL, UM, PRESENT AND IT'S CAUSING THE, THE TAXIWAY AND THE TAXI LANE TO MOVE AT DIFFERENT SPEEDS.
UM, ONE THING THAT'S POPPED UP RECENTLY, AND THEN I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS VERY EARLY SCOPING.
WE'RE NOT TO DESIGN OR BID OR ANYTHING YET.
UM, WE DO HAVE A CONSULTANT THAT'S BEEN WORKING WITH US TO COME UP WITH SOME, A PROPOSAL FOR, UM, VEHICLE CHARGING.
UH, AS YOU MIGHT IMAGINE THAT, THAT IS THE FUTURE, UM, ELECTRIC VEHICLES.
AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, TWO SITES CURRENTLY, UH, ONE INSIDE THE AIRFIELD FOR THE CITY VEHICLES AND, AND THE OTHER RIGHT NEXT TO THE TERMINAL BUILDING.
UM, WE'VE IDENTIFIED, UH, FOUR SPOTS, UH, OUTSIDE THE TERMINAL AND THREE SPOTS ON THE AIRFIELD TO, UM, TO PUT, UH, CHARTERS.
NOW THE EVENTUAL DESIGN AND ALL THAT WILL BE PROBABLY DIFFERENT.
UM, THIS IS JUST CONCEPTUAL AT THIS POINT.
UM, THIS DESIGN KIND OF ASSUMES THAT THE POWER SUPPORT EQUIPMENT WOULD BE, UH, OUTSIDE SIMILAR TO YOU'D SEE IN LIKE A, A SHOPPING CENTER.
UH, WHAT I THINK WE'D BE MORE INTERESTED IN IS, UM, COMBINING THIS PROJECT WITH MAYBE, UH, ONE OF OUR SUSTAINABILITY PROJECTS, UH, FOR A POWER BACKUP WHERE WE WOULD UPGRADE OUR EXISTING PANEL, UH, OR EXISTING PANELS ONLY ABOUT A HUNDRED AMP SIZE.
UM, THIS PROJECT WOULD CALL FOR SOMETHING IN THE 600 SIZE.
AND WE THINK THAT MIGHT BE A GREAT TIME TO UPGRADE, UM, THE PANEL INSIDE OF OUR, UM, OUR VAULT THAT RUNS THE WHOLE AIR FIELD.
UM, NOT ONLY WOULD IT NOT TAKE UP MORE SPACE, UH, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF, BUT IT WOULD ALSO MAKE ENSURE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH, UH, CAPACITY IN OUR, UH, ELECTRICAL VAULT MOVING FORWARD FOR OTHER PROJECTS, UM, SUCH AS OTHER AIRFIELD, ELECTRICAL CHARGERS FOR AIRPLANES, EVENTUALLY WHATNOT.
BUT, UM, IF, IF WE WERE ABLE TO GET, UM, WE'RE TRYING TO GO AFTER SOME GRANT FUNDING, UH, CITYWIDE FOR, FOR MULTIPLE SITES.
AND IF WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT, UM, THE, THE AIRPORT COULD BE, UM, ONE OF THE CANDIDATES THAT COULD GET SOME CHARGERS.
SO THIS IS JUST, AT THIS TIME, LIKE I SAID, IT'S A VERY CONCEPTUAL, NOT NOT FULL DESIGN, BUT, UM, WE ARE MOVING TOWARDS, TOWARDS THIS ONCE WE GET A CONFIRMED DATE.
IF WE WERE TO, TO GET, UM, ONE OF THESE, UM, PROJECTS APPROVED AT THE AIRPORT, UH, WE WOULD THEN WANT TO SCHEDULE IN, UH, THE DELIVERY OF, OF VEHICLES.
WE'VE BEEN KINDA HOLDING OFF FOR A LOT OF REASONS, INCLUDING THE, JUST THE COST.
BUT, UH, WE DO INTEND TO REPLACE ALL OF OUR VEHICLES EVENTUALLY WITH ELECTRIC VEHICLES ONE BY ONE, UM, PROBABLY TWO WITHIN THE NEXT THREE YEARS, ASSUMING THAT WE CAN GET THE, THE CHARGING SYSTEM IN.
SO IS THIS PROJECT, UM, FAA GRANT ELIGIBLE? IT'S NOT, NO, I DIDN'T THINK SO.
SO THIS WOULD BE SOME, A GRANT FROM SOME OTHER, IT'S FROM ANOTHER PROGRAM AND WE'RE NOT, UM, HANDLING THIS PROJECT, UH, DIRECTLY.
UM, SO MORE TO COME AS, AS IT MOVES FORWARD, BUT, UM, AT LEAST I THINK AT THIS POINT WE HAVE A GOOD IDEA WHAT, WHAT WE NEED.
AND SO THAT SHOULD HELP US, UM, AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
AND WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SUPPLEMENT THIS PROJECT WITH FUNDS THAT WE HAVE FOR OUR SUSTAINABILITY, UM, OUR BACKUP SUSTAINABILITY PROJECT AS WELL.
SO IF THE, IF OUR PORTION OF THAT PROJECT, UM, THE COST EXCEEDS WHAT THE GRANT AVAILABLE IS, THAT WOULD COME OUT OF OUR RESERVE, IT WOULD COME OUTTA THE GENERAL FUND.
SO WE, WE WOULD WATCH THAT VERY CLOSELY.
SO YOU SAID THAT WOULD COME OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND AND NOT THE, THE RESERVE AIRPORT, SORRY, THE AIRPORT.
UM, RESERVE, YEAH, THE AIRPORT ENTERPRISE FUND.
UM, I, THERE THERE COULD BE SOME GENERAL FUNDS PUT TOWARDS US BECAUSE OF
ANY IDEA ON SCHEDULE OF WHEN THIS WILL BE MORE DEFINED? I DON'T KNOW.
I THINK WITHIN THE YEAR WE'LL HAVE A BETTER IDEA, UM, WHETHER OR NOT, UM, WE ARE GONNA GET THOSE GRANTS AND OR, UM, WHAT THE FINAL, UM, PHASING WILL BE.
'CAUSE THIS COULD BE A, A FUTURE PHASE.
UM, BUT, UM, IT SEEMED TO CAPTURE THE GREATEST NEED.
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UH, WE DO GET REQUESTS FOR CHARGERS OCCASIONALLY.I THINK I GOT ONE LAST LAST WEEK OR THIS WEEK FOR SOMEONE THAT NEEDED TO CHARGE THEIR TESLA.
UM, SOME OUR TENANTS NEED TO, UH, CHARGER YOUR CARS.
THEY TRY SOMETIMES INSIDE THE, OUR HANGERS AND THE 20 AMP POPS PRETTY QUICKLY.
IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT'S SOMETHING WE KIND OF, AT LEAST ON THE PUBLIC SIDE, WE, WE REALLY DO NEED AT LEAST ONE OR TWO CHARGERS AND, AND THE USERS WOULD NOT BE CHARGED FOR THE CHARGE.
I THINK, I DON'T KNOW WHAT PROGRAM THIS IS TIED IN WITH, BUT BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE, UM, GREEN GENERATION, UM, CONTRACTS IN PLACE ALREADY, I THINK WE CAN USE THOSE CREDITS.
AND I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO CHARGE.
BUT I DON'T KNOW, AS FAR AS I KNOW, WE'RE NOT CHARGING ANYWHERE IN THE CITY FOR POWER CURRENTLY ON AC C CHARGERS.
BUT, UM, THE FINAL PRODUCT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'LL BE.
SO IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE A, A HIT TO OUR, OUR OPERATING EXPENSES, UH, IF WE DON'T HAVE TO CHARGE PEOPLE FOR RE RE UH, REDOING THEIR BATTERY CHARGE LEVEL, HUH? NO.
AND I CAN'T IMAGINE THESE BEING, UH, EXTREMELY POPULAR JUST BECAUSE OF OUR LOCATION.
UM, BUT I THINK ANY, ANY IMPACT TO THE, SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE A NEGATIVE HIT ON OUR REVENUE STREAM OR SORT OF INCREASED EXPENSES DUE TO THIS VERY, VERY LITTLE, IF ANY, IMPACT ON OUR, OUR, UH, EXPENSES FOR ELECTRICITY.
I JUST SAY IF YOU HAVE FREE CHARGING AT THE AIRPORT, WORD WILL GET OUT.
IT'S A WIN-WIN
YOU CAN LIMIT THEM TO TIME TOO.
SO IF THAT BECAME AN ISSUE OR THERE WAS A CERTAIN ABUSES, UM, THEY CAN BE LIMITED TO CERTAIN TIMES OF DAY.
THE OTHER THING YOU MENTIONED WAS 600 AMP.
WE'VE GOT FOUR LEVEL THREE CHARGERS ON THIS.
THEY RUN AT LEAST 150 AMPS EACH.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S NOT REALLY ENOUGH.
YEAH, BECAUSE THAT IS A GOOD POINT.
UM, I THINK THE, HERE THEY ACTUALLY BROUGHT IN A SEPARATE TRANSFORMER AS WELL, UM, AS OUR EXISTING, I THINK THE IDEA WAS POSSIBLY TO RUN PART OF THE POWER ON OUR EXISTING VAULT ALREADY FOR, FOR SOME, AND THEN HAVE A SEPARATE ONE FOR THE OTHERS.
BUT, UM, THE OTHER THING WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE, INSTEAD OF ADDING MORE TRANSFORMERS, UH, DOTTING THE LANDSCAPE, IT WOULD BE BETTER, I THINK, FOR THE AIRPORT TO HAVE A MUCH LARGER TRANSFORMER THAT WOULD THEN BE FUTURE PROOF, AT LEAST IN THE NEXT, UH, YOU KNOW, 15, 20 YEARS.
THAT WOULD BE OUR INTENT IS TO UPGRADE EVERYTHING AT ONCE INSTEAD OF HAVING A WHOLE SEPARATE, UM, FACILITIES JUST FOR THESE CHARGERS.
BUT I CAN IMAGINE IN 10 YEARS THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF ELECTRICAL.
BUT IF WE'RE, IF, IF WE'RE GETTING SOME OF THIS FOR FREE, WE'LL, WE WON'T SAY NO.
UM, YOU, YOU'VE SAID A COUPLE OF TIMES, LIKE THEY PLANNED THIS.
WHO, WHO, WHO CREATED THIS COMING FROM? SO THIS, THIS IS, UM, THIS IS THE, UM, PUBLIC WORKS ENGINEERING, UM, PROJECT MANAGEMENT.
UM, THIS, THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, PARTICULAR PROJECT, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAS A CIP STATUS YET.
I DON'T THINK IT, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S MOVED TO THAT, THAT, UM, UH, STATUS YET.
SOME OF THESE PROJECTS THAT WE DO, ESPECIALLY SUSTAINABILITY ONES, SOME OF THEM DON'T, ARE, ARE ALMOST SEPARATE FROM CIP BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE DON'T OWN THE EQUIPMENT.
SO IT IS AN IMPROVEMENT, IT IS A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, BUT IT'S ALWAYS, NOT ALWAYS, UM, CITY OWNED FOR EXAMPLE, OR AT LEAST THE, THE HARDWARE, FOR EXAMPLE.
SO LIKE THE FOREFRONT, WE ARE BUYING THE POWER OR WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY BUYING THE EQUIPMENT.
SO, UM, THEY'RE HANDLED DIFFERENTLY.
SO THIS, THIS ONE I THINK HAS BEEN THE WORKS FOR A WHILE.
UM, BUT IT'S BEING HANDLED DIFFERENTLY THAN THE, THE NORMAL CIP PROCESS, I BELIEVE.
UM, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE ALL THE DETAILS.
LIKE I SAID, THIS WAS NOT BEING HANDLED BY US.
IT WAS MORE WE WERE OFFERED THIS AS A POSSIBILITY STILL AS A PROPOSAL, UM, AS IT BECOMES MORE REAL, UM, WE START TO REACH CERTAIN BENCHMARKS.
WE'LL GIVE YOU UPDATES, BUT, UM, JUST WANNA KIND OF THROW THIS OUT TO, IN CASE THERE WAS ANY COMMENTS AND, AND THINGS THAT PEOPLE, UM, IN THE COMMISSIONER'S, UH, IDEAS OR I GUESS, UH, CONCERNS AND, AND BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THOSE AS WE GO ALONG.
I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA LOOK A GIFT HORSE IN THE MOUTH, RIGHT.
BUT WE HAVE TALKED IN FITS AND STARTS IN THE PAST ABOUT TRYING TO, UH, ENSURE THAT THE AIRCRAFT, YOU USE THE, THE PHRASE FUTURE PROOF, WE ALL KNOW IT'S NOT REALLY TRULY POSSIBLE, BUT, UH, TRYING TO ANTICIPATE ELECTRIFICATION
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NEEDS AND SOME OF THE ADVANCED AIR MOBILITY AND EV TELE THINGS THAT, THAT MIGHT BE COMING, UM, AND INCLUDING THAT CAPABILITY IN AN ENERGY MASTER PLAN FOR THE AIRPORT.UM, THIS IS THE FIRST THAT I'VE SEEN, LIKE A SCHEMATIC WITH SOME ELECTRICAL STUFF ON IT THAT WE MIGHT BE ADDING TO THE AIRPORT.
AND MY CONCERN IS THAT WE HAVEN'T ACTUALLY LOOKED INTO THAT LONG TERM VISION WITH SUFFICIENT FIDELITY.
IS IS THERE A POSSIBILITY? THE CITY'S FRANKLY PROBABLY NOT THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO DO THAT.
BUT THERE ARE, UH, FIRMS OUT THERE THAT DO SPECIALIZE IN, IN THAT SORT OF ELECTRIFICATION ROAD MAPPING.
AND I BELIEVE I WOULD HAVE TO GO DIG INTO IT.
UM, BUT I BELIEVE THERE'S FEDERAL DOLLARS AVAILABLE FOR A, UM, PLANNING FOR AIRPORT FACILITIES.
SO WE MIGHT EVEN BE ABLE TO FUND SOME OF THAT, UH, PLANNING PROJECT SEPARATELY AS WELL.
YEAH, PART PART OF THE ISSUE IS WE HAD SOME MISSING PIECES.
UM, WE, WE LOOKED A COUPLE YEARS AGO AT A, UH, SOLAR SUSTAINABILITY, UM, UH, PROJECT TO, TO TACKLE THE POWER BACKUP, BUT ALSO MAKE, MAKE THE AIRPORT MORE SUSTAINABLE.
WHAT WE REALLY CAME BACK WITH WAS THE PRICE WAS JUST SO HIGH AND THE, UM, THE LAND USE NEEDS WOULD BE PRETTY GREAT THAT IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE A GREAT FIT, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY APPROACHING $400,000 FOR A PROJECT TO DO THAT.
AND I THINK A LOT OF THE COMMISSIONERS, UH, KIND OF MOCKED IT, THAT THOSE KIND OF PRICES AND SAID, WELL, HOW COME WE HAVE TO SPEND ALL THIS WITHOUT SOME SORT OF GRANT AND WHATNOT, WHAT WE'VE BEEN WAITING ON.
AND AS OF, UM, DECEMBER, UM, UH, THE, UH, COUNCIL HAS APPROVED OUR NEW CONTRACT, UM, FOR RENEWABLE DIESEL.
SO WE DO HAVE A RENEWABLE DIESEL, UM, CONTRACT NOW THAT OPENS THE DOORS FOR POSSIBILITIES OF GENERATORS.
NOT SAYING IT, IT'S APPROVED, BUT IT OPENS THE DOOR.
IT AT LEAST LETS US GREEN EXISTING DIESELS.
THERE COULD BE A POSSIBILITY FOR TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE GENERATOR SYSTEM THAT WOULD MAKE THE POWER BACKUP THE MUCH SIMPLER.
THE RENEWABLE DIESEL COULD SIT THERE FOR 10 YEARS IN THE TANK WITH NO ISSUES.
UH, I THINK THAT'S THE MISSING PIECE THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR.
SO THIS IS, YOU KNOW, VERY NEW.
WE JUST GOT THIS CONTRACT, BUT I THINK THAT OPENS UP THE DOOR TO THEN MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR POWER BACKUP THAT WE'VE BEEN BUDGETING FOR, FOR QUITE A WHILE.
THAT COULD INCLUDE A MUCH BIGGER PANEL TO THEN TAKE CARE OF SOME OF THESE, UM, CHARGING OPPORTUNITIES AS WELL.
UM, SO THAT WOULD BE KIND OF THE, AND IT WOULD SAVE US A LOT OF MONEY.
UH, JUST, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A QUARTER OF THE COST.
THAT'S GOOD NEWS ABOUT THE GENERATOR.
I, I GUESS I'M, MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING TO TAKE OFFLINE AND JUST SORT OF BRAINSTORM AROUND HOW WE MIGHT WANNA APPROACH THIS, BUT I'M ALMOST THINKING OF IT IN TERMS OF SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF PROJECTING DEMAND AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT LIKE HANGAR DEMAND AND, AND PROJECTING FUTURE AIRPORT USAGE IN THAT REGARD.
I THINK THIS IS A FACET OF THAT.
AND YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT JUST GROUND VEHICLES.
IT'S NOT JUST TRAINER ELECTRIC AIRCRAFT, RIGHT? THERE ARE OTHER, THERE ARE OTHER USES COMING, UM, AND I KNOW THAT THE LEAD TIME ON THE ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT REQUIRED IS, CAN BE QUITE LONG AS, OR THE APPROVAL PROCESSES OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO NOT NECESSARILY LOOKING AT IT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF ONSITE SUSTAINABLE GENERATION, THOUGH THAT'S ALWAYS NICE, BUT JUST FROM THE, ALSO GETTING THE DEMAND SIDE OF IT AS WELL OF, YOU KNOW, WOULD WE EXPECT THERE TO BE A SIGNIFICANT ELECTRIFY, YOU KNOW, ELECTRIFICATION DEMAND FROM AN AVIATION PERSPECTIVE ON THE AIRPORT IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS, 20 YEARS, RIGHT.
AND TO INCLUDE THAT IN SOME OF OUR THINKING IN TERMS OF JUST THE, THE CORE GRID TYPE INFRASTRUCTURE ON, ON THE AIRPORT.
SO I, I THINK IT'D BE GOOD TO START I ASKING SOME QUESTIONS AND GETTING SOME FOLKS THAT ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THE AIRCRAFT ELECTRIFICATION SIDE OF THINGS, NOT JUST THE SUPPLY SIDE, UH, INVOLVED IN THAT CONVERSATION.
AND I DON'T AT THIS MOMENT HAVE THE RIGHT ANSWER FOR HOW TO DO THAT.
BUT I, I'D LIKE TO, IF, IF FOLKS ARE OKAY WITH ENTERTAINING THAT CONVERSATION, I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT FORWARD A LITTLE BIT.
MAYBE JUST OFFLINE AND SOME BRAINSTORMING TO START.
AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE A MAJOR PART OF ANY FUTURE HANGER DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THERE WOULD BE MUCH, MUCH, MUCH DIFFERENT POWER, UM, REQUIREMENTS FOR THOSE.
AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE TIME.
IT'S MUCH EASIER TO DO NEW THAN IT IS TO RETROFIT OLD.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID IS, UM, A LOT OF TRENCHING IN THINGS THAT, UH, WOULD BE MUCH EASIER WHEN WE GO TO MM-HMM.
I'LL JUST SAY ONE THING TO KIND OF ECHO ECHO WHAT ANNA SAID WITH SOME OF THE LEAD TIMES THAT, UH, THE
UH, JUST ABOUT EVERY CHARGING, UH, STATION
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IS USING SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR TO THIS.SO IT WOULDN'T SURPRISE ME IF, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE JUST SIGNIFICANT DELAYS AND THINGS GETTING KICKED DOWN.
SO IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PURCHASING ELECTRIC VEHICLES IN THE FUTURE, JUST, UH, BE AWARE THAT, UM, IT IS, IT IS A REAL THING THAT THESE THINGS ARE NOT EASY TO COME BY RIGHT NOW.
UM, JUST WANNA GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE HANGAR FEASIBILITY STUDY.
UM, WE HAD A COUPLE HICCUPS, UH, BACK IN 2023 WHEN WE HAD BUDGETED ABOUT $25,000 FOR, UH, A SMALL HANGAR FE FEASIBILITY STUDY TO THE, UH, NORTHWEST OF THE FIELD.
UM, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO GET THROUGH SOME OF THOSE.
AND SO OUR INTENT IS TO ADD THAT BACK ON TO THE FISCAL YEAR 25 BUDGET THAT STARTS JULY 1ST, UH, TO PUT THAT BACK ON.
SO THAT IS OUR INTENT, UM, TO GET THAT GOING AGAIN.
IT, IT'S CHANGED A LOT, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT HANGER WAITING LISTS.
THAT'S DEFINITELY GONNA CHANGE PROBABLY THE REPORT WE GET BACK.
UM, BUT WE WANNA MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, GIVE US A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT, NOT ONLY WHAT WE CAN PHYSICALLY DO IN THE, UM, THE LAND THAT IS AVAILABLE, BUT ALSO WHAT WE CAN DO, UM, BASED ON THE ACTUAL DEMAND FOR HANGERS.
AND, UM, MOST OF OUR, THERE, THERE'S A COMMENT EARLIER THAT WE DON'T HAVE A WAITING LIST.
UM, THE MOST ACTIVE ON THAT WAITING LIST ARE LARGE HANGAR, UM, UH, FOLKS THAT WANT LARGE HANGERS.
THE REST ARE KIND OF HEMING AND HAWING ABOUT WHETHER THEY THEY'RE GONNA BUY AN AIRPLANE OR, OR WHATNOT.
SO THERE IS STILL A WAITING LIST, BUT THE, UM, THE MOST SERIOUS, UM, FOLKS ON THAT LIST ARE LOOKING FOR, UH, LARGE HANGERS.
I THINK THAT'S, THAT WE, WE ALREADY KNOW THAT IF WE BUILT SOME, WE COULD FILL THEM PRETTY EASILY JUST BASED ON THE DEMAND IN THE, IN THE BAY AREA.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT PROJECTS? OH, WHAT UPDATE ON A ROAD? YEAH, JUST ONE POINT TO FOLLOW UP.
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE EVS AND ALL OF THAT.
UM, I READ ABOUT THE PROPOSED FAIRLY SUBSTANTIAL BATTERY STORAGE PROJECT AT ADOBE CREEK.
HAS THAT GONE ANYWHERE OR HAVE YOU BEEN CONTACTED IN ANY WAY ABOUT ANY OF THAT? TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, UH, THE, UM, AIRPORT LAND USE COM, UH, COMMISSION HAS NOT MET IN OVER A YEAR NOW.
AND SO I, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOTTEN ANY REVIEW FROM THE COUNTY JUST TO START WITH.
SO YEAH, BECAUSE I SAW THE LAYOUT YEAH.
THE PROPOSED LAYOUT AND IT WAS PRETTY CLOSE TO IN LINE WITH THE RUNWAY CENTER LINE GIVEN PREVAILING WINDS, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST WOULDN'T WANT TO SET UP A HAZARDOUS SITUATION OR, WE'LL, WE WILL WAIT FOR THE, UH, AIRPORT LANE, USE COMMISSION TO, TO WEIGH IN AND THEN OKAY.
UM, AT THAT, THAT TIME, THAT MIGHT BE A OPPORTUNITY FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
I'M JUST WANTING UP MORE UPDATE.
UM, WE, WE, UH, HIRED A STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING FIRM, UH, A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, AND, UH, THEY, THEY COMPLETE A FIELD SURVEY OF ROW, UM, THE ROW TWO HANGAR THAT HAS BEEN DAMAGED TO LIMA.
UM, SO THEY ARE WORKING RIGHT NOW ON GETTING THE DESIGN, UH, AND BID DOCUMENTS TOGETHER.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE BEEN TASKED WITH.
SO THAT IS MOVING FORWARD, I'M HOPING SOMETIME THIS SPRING TO GET THAT OUT AS A BID.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE GOAL AT THIS TIME.
AND, UM, THAT'S ALL THE UPDATES I HAVE ON PROJECT AND NON CIP.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT PROJECTS? OKAY, THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT.
ALRIGHT, SO I THINK THE NEXT THING ON THE LIST IS ADJOURNMENT.
UNLESS THERE'S ANY OBJECTIONS, UH, WE WILL GO AHEAD AND ADJOURN THE MEETING AT 6:54 PM GOOD JOB.