Feb 08, 2024 Climate Action Commission Meeting

AND, UM, I THINK WE DID, UH, EVERYONE RECEIVED THE, UM, EMAIL COMMENTS, RIGHT? AND, UM, I HAVE THREE SPEAKER CARDS HERE.

THE FIRST SPEAKER IS PAUL MAGA.

THANK YOU, CHAIR PETERS AND COMMISSIONERS.

UM, I KNOW THAT PETALUMA IS A GREAT CITY.

WE'RE A WELL EDUCATED, ENLIGHTENED, AND TOLERANT COMMUNITY THAT STRIVES TO DO THE RIGHT THING, WHICH IS EVIDENT IN THE WORK OF THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION.

MY GENERAL COMMENT TONIGHT IS ABOUT HOW A COMMISSION, ANY COMMISSION CAN BEST DECIDE POLICY IN 2024.

IT'S OFTEN DIFFICULT FOR EVEN WELL-EDUCATED PEOPLE TO DISCERN VERIFIED TRUTH FROM SCIENCE FICTION, NONSENSE, OR OUTRIGHT LIES.

THE FACT IS THAT HUMANS ARE HARDWIRED TO ACCEPT AS REALITY WHAT THEY HEAR REPEATED FREQUENTLY ENOUGH BY SOURCES THAT THEY DEEM RELIABLE.

UNFORTUNATELY, WITH THE 2012 SMITH MONTH MODERNIZATION ACT FOR A DOZEN YEARS, IT HAS BEEN LEGAL FOR MAINSTREAM US MEDIA TO PUBLISH POST AND BROADCAST PROPAGANDA TO US READERS, LISTENERS, AND VIEWERS, WE HAVE TO CONCLUDE SUCH CONTENT IS NOT RELIABLE.

IN ADDITION, CENSORSHIP IS RAMPANT ON THE INTERNET.

YOUR GOOGLE SEARCH, YOUTUBE, FACEBOOK, TWITTER, AND ALL PLATFORMS SEVERELY CENSOR, ONLY CERTAIN DEDICATED CITIZEN JOURNALISTS THAT SHOW UP ON RUMBLE OR CLOUDHUB OR SOME OTHER FREE SPEECH PLATFORM, ARE SUCCESSFULLY GIVING YOU ACCURATE INFORMATION THAT MAKES PEOPLE EVEN VERY INTELLIGENT AND CONSCIENTIOUS PEOPLE SUCH AS YOURSELVES SUSCEPTIBLE TO PSYCHOLOGICAL OPERATIONS OF PROPAGANDA DESIGNED TO CONVINCE THEM TO SET POLICIES THAT GO AGAINST THE SELF-INTEREST OF PETALUMA.

WE THE PEOPLE, IN ORDER TO SERVE SOME NOBLE SOUNDING GREATER GOOD.

THIS IS THE BASIS OF COLLECTIVISM.

THIS IS A PROBLEM FOR FREEDOM.

THEREFORE, ANY CLIMATE CHANGE POLICIES NEED TO BE CONSIDERED IN THE IMMEDIATE CONTEXT OF 2024.

SINCE 2020, THE US GOVERNMENT HAS SPENT OVER $20 BILLION TO CREATE AN INVASION OF TENS OF MILLIONS OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS INTO OUR CITIES AND ACROSS OUR BORDERS AT TAXPAYER'S EXPENSE.

THE US GOVERNMENT HAS BUILT CAMPS IN PANAMA AND IN OTHER COUNTRIES, BUILT BRIDGES TO CROSS RIVERS, PAID FOR LUXURY BUSES AND PLANE FARE, PROVIDED FREE HOUSING, ONGOING MONTHLY ASSISTANCE OF $2,000 PER MONTH PER ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT, AND IS ALLOWING THESE IMMIGRANTS TO VOTE IN 2024.

IN MAY 20, 24, A FEW MONTHS, THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION WILL BE ATTEMPTING A POWER GRAB OVER STATE SOVEREIGNTY, AND ITS PROPOSED PANDEMIC PREPAREDNESS, ACCORD AND AMENDMENTS TO ITS INTERNATIONAL HEALTH REGULATIONS.

THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION NEEDS TO CAREFULLY STUDY THE NICE SOUNDING BUT MANIPULATIVE LANGUAGE OF THE UNITED NATIONS AGENDA 2030 AND ITS 17 SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT GOALS TO DISCERN THAT IT'S NOT IN PETALUMA'S BEST INTEREST TO ADOPT THESE POLICIES CONSISTENT WITH THAT AGENDA.

AGENDA 2030 IS AN INVENTORY CONTROL PLAN THAT INCLUDES 24 7 SURVEILLANCE TO CONTROL OF PEOPLE, ANIMALS, AND NATURAL RESOURCES VIA DIGITAL ID, PROGRAMMABLE, TOKENIZED CURRENCY AND SOCIAL CREDIT SCORES.

THE VERY TOOLS USED TO CREATE THE DIGITAL PRISON OF THE SO-CALLED 15 MINUTE CITY.

THIS IS NOT AMERICAN CHINESE STYLE TO TOTALITARIAN, PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

THE JURISDICTION THAT, THAT YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE THE JURISDICTION TO CALL FOR A TAX CITYWIDE TAX ON GASOLINE.

THANK YOU MR. MCG.

THE NEXT SPEAKER CARD I HAVE IS DWAYNE BELLINGER.

UM, GOOD EVENING.

UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO, TO START OUT BY COMMENTING THAT, UH, THE CORRECT SOLUTION IS NOT INCLUDED IN YOUR LIST TODAY.

UM, SO I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE SOLUTION TO CLIMATE.

AND THE PRIMARY SOLUTION TO CLIMATE IS TO STOP SUBSIDIZING AUTOMOBILES, STOP SUBSIDIZING CARBON USE.

BUT AUTOMOBILES PRIMARILY IS WHAT IRRITATES ME MOST.

THE, THE $600 A YEAR, THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA SPENDS IS ESTIMATED TO SUBSIDIZED AUTOMOBILES.

THE $2,000 A YEAR PER AUTOMOBILE, WE SPEND SUBSIDIZING AUTOMOBILES FEDERALLY, WE SHOULD BE TAXING GASOLINE TO PAY THE FULL COST OF WHAT SOCIETY SUFFERS AS A RESULT OF GASOLINE USE.

WE SHOULD BE CHARGING LIKE EUROPEAN FEES TO $4 A GALLON TO DO IT, WHICH ONLY TAKES OUT OF PROFIT OF THE OIL COMPANIES.

THAT THE EUROPEANS DON'T PAY MORE FOR GAS THAN WE DO.

THEY PAY LESS FOR GALLON FOR GAS, THEY PAY MORE TAXES AT THE PUMP TO PAY FOR ALL THE DAMAGE AUTOMOBILES DO.

SO I'VE GOT TALKING ABOUT THIS NOW, IF, IF YOUR GROUP HERE WANTED TO, UM, TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS, SOMEBODY WOULD OBJECT TO

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YOU DON'T HAVE THE JURISDICTION.

BUT I WOULD POINT OUT THAT THE, THE JURISDICTION OF RIGHT NOW, WHAT WE COULD BE HOME WATCHING IS THE TODAY'S SUPREME COURT DECISION.

THE SUPREME COURT IS RULING ON AN ISSUE BEFORE IT AS TO WHO CAN BE PRESIDENT, MAKING DECISIONS ABOUT GASOLINE, MAKING DECISIONS ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE, THE SUPREME COURT'S MAKING THAT DECISION.

BUT IF YOU READ, UM, 14 THREE, THE AMENDMENT 14 THREE, IT SAYS WITH JUST ABOUT EIGHT WORDS THAT THE COURT DOESN'T HAVE JURISDICTION, ONLY CONGRESS HAS JURISDICTION OVER WHO CAN BE PRESIDENT FOR DISQUALIFICATIONS ONLY READ IT.

JUST READ, IT'S, IT'S ONLY HALF DOZEN WORDS.

SO, JURISDICTION, IF YOU'RE DOING EVIL IN THE WORLD, JURISDICTION'S NEVER RAISED, THEY SHOULD BE RAISING RIGHT NOW IN, IN CON AND IN THE CONGRESS AND, AND THE SUPREME COURT SAY THEY DON'T HAVE JURISDICTION.

YOU PEOPLE MAY NOT HAVE JURISDICTION TO PUT A GAS TAX IN, BUT YOU CAN ADVOCATE FOR BUILDING THE GAS TAX IN ANYWAY.

I MEAN, IF THEY CAN IGNORE JURISDICTION TO DO EVIL IN THE SUPREME COURT, YOU CAN CERTAINLY IGNORE JURISDICTION TO DO GOOD HERE IN PETALUMA.

NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.

THANK YOU, MR. BELLINGER.

THE

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY CLARIFICATIONS OR CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES? OKAY, THE MINUTES ARE DEEMED APPROVED.

THE NEXT ITEM

[PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION]

NUMBER THREE, PUBLIC HEARING AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION.

UH, PATRICK, DO YOU HAVE A STAFF REPORT ON THIS TOPIC? I HAVE A BRIEF INTRODUCTION, AND THEN I THINK THE BULK OF THE DISCUSSION WILL BE, UM, HOW WELL WE DID RECEIVING THE COMMISSION'S, UH, COMMENTS AND WHETHER THERE ARE ANY CHANGES NEEDED.

UM, JUST AS A REALLY BRIEF REFRESHER, UM, AT THE LAST MEETING IN JANUARY, UM, THERE WAS A QUITE LENGTHY DISCUSSION ABOUT THE CORNERSTONE ACTIONS OF THE, UM, BLUEPRINT FOR CARBON NEUTRALITY.

UM, SO AT THAT DISCUSSION, UM, OUR, UH, STAFF, OTHER STAFF MEMBERS AND, UM, OUR CONSULTANTS FROM THE RAMI AND ASSOCIATES, UM, GROUP THAT'S WORKING ON BOTH THIS AND THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE, UM, BROADLY, UH, WE'RE TAKING COPIOUS NOTES.

UM, WE, WE MET IN THE INTERIM, UM, TO DISCUSS THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED AND COMPILED THE DOCUMENT THAT WAS INCLUDED AS AN ATTACHMENT TO THE STAFF REPORT.

UM, IN THAT DOCUMENT, THE FIRST COLUMN IS THE, UM, CORNERSTONE ACTIONS THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE COMMISSION.

AND THE SECOND COLUMN IS, UH, OUR INTERPRETATION OF THAT FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED.

UM, THERE WAS, UM, KIND OF A DESIRE FROM THE COMMISSION AT THE TIME TO AUGMENT, UH, WHAT WAS IN THERE AND KIND OF EXPAND SOME OF THOSE SUB-BULLETS, LIKE A, YOU KNOW, ONE ACTION, CORNERSTONE ACTION THERE HAD, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE SUB ACTIONS WITHIN IT.

SO KIND OF EXPAND THAT OUT, UM, AND, AND JUST KIND OF SEPARATE WHERE NEED, WHERE NEED BE.

SO THAT'S WHY IT EXPANDED FROM THOSE, UH, 19 OR 20 TO, UM, ALMOST 30, UH, CORNERSTONE ACTIONS.

SO AT THIS MEETING, UM, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING IS FROM THE COMMISSION TO PROVIDE US FEEDBACK ON, UM, WHETHER THAT, UM, SUMMARIZES THE CONSENSUS OR AT LEAST THE MAJORITY OF, UH, THE COMMISSIONERS PRESENT IN TERMS OF THE FEEDBACK THAT IT WISHES TO PROVIDE, UM, ON THIS SUBJECT.

AND IF NOT, UM, WHAT, WHAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED SO THAT HOPEFULLY WE CAN, UH, GET THIS ISSUE, UH, BEHIND US AND GET THAT FEEDBACK INCLUDED WITH ALL THE OTHER HUNDREDS OF COMMENTS THAT RAYMOND AND ASSOCIATES HAS RECEIVED ON THIS, UM, AS WE MOVE TOWARDS THE FINAL DOCUMENT THAT COUNCIL CAN CONSIDER.

SO WITH THAT, UM, OR, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR TEAM IS HERE PRESENT, READY TO HEAR MORE FEEDBACK IF THERE'S CHANGES NEED NEEDED, OR, UM, IF WE KNOCKED IT OUTTA THE PARK, WE'D LOVE TO HEAR THAT TOO.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

UM, THANK, YEAH, THANKS.

I GUESS, UM, IF THERE'S ANYONE HAVE A BURNING DESIRE TO GO FIRST, OTHERWISE I'LL START WITH COUNCIL MEMBER SCH RIBS.

COUNTRIES, UH, CARIBBEAN, PANAMA, AND THE, UH, GUATEMALA.

SO I'VE, UM, FIRST OFF, I'D JUST LIKE TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I JUST CAME BACK FROM A, UM, A TRIP, UH, SPENT, UH, THREE WEEKS ON A CRUISE SHIP LOOKING AT A COUPLE DIFFERENT

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AND, UH, JUST TO GIVE AN INDICATION OF MY BIGGEST TAKEAWAY, THE, UM, WHAT WE CALL COUNTRY ROADS THAT ARE POTHOLE, THEY CALL SUPER HIGHWAYS.

UH, THAT'S WHAT BASICALLY THE CONDITION WAS IN SEVERAL OF THESE COUNTRIES.

UH, SO WE, WE ARE LIVING PRETTY LUXURIOUSLY AND WEALTHY COMPARED TO MOST FOLKS OUT THERE IN THE WORLD.

SO THAT'S JUST THAT, THAT WAS A BIG TAKEAWAY.

AND, UH, EVEN, UH, POCKETS OF, OF, SHALL WE SAY, EXTREMELY WEALTH RIGHT NEXT TO, UH, SLUMPS.

SO ANYWAY, I SAW I DRINK, BRING THAT FORWARD JUST PERSPECTIVE WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M COMING BACK WITH FROM THIS TRIP.

SO ANYWAY, UM, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I KNOW, UH, UH, THANK YOU, UH, PAUL FOR BRINGING FORWARD.

YOU WROTE A NICE LONG LETTER WITH LOTS OF THINGS, AND I DID RESEARCH SEVERAL OF THE LINKS.

I WENT, WENT INTO THAT AND LOOKED AT THOSE.

I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT I DO AGREE WITH SOME OF THE THINGS YOU SAY, BUT I COMPLETELY DISAGREE WITH SOME OTHER THINGS THAT YOU SAY.

SO, WHICH IS PRETTY FAIR.

UM, THERE IS SOME OF THE THINGS I DO AGREE WITH WHAT MR. REGA HAS, HAS PRESENTED IN HIS ARGUMENTS NOW AND THEN IN THE PAST, I ASSUME YOU'RE PAUL G, RIGHT? YEAH.

SO IN THE PAST, UM, SO, UH, ONE OF THE TOP ONES WAS LOOKING AT MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE COST EFFECTIVENESS.

THERE'S, THERE'S, I THINK IN HERE WHERE WE ACTUALLY HAVE A TEAM THAT LOOKS AT, UM, WHETHER OR NOT THE, THE BALANCE BETWEEN COST EFFECTIVENESS, COST BENEFIT, RISK, COMPARING THE COST COMPARED TO DOING OTHER THINGS, UH, BESIDES, UH, SPENDING HALF A MILLION, MILLION DOLLARS ON, ON ELECTRIC BUS.

SO THERE IS A TEAM THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKING AT THAT, WHETHER IT BE US OR A NEW TEAM, UM, THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

SO THAT, BUT THAT'S IN HERE.

UM, BUT IT'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT PLACES.

THERE'S, THERE'S LIKE TWO OR THREE DIFFERENT TEAMS THAT ARE BEING PROMOTED HERE.

THERE'S A STAFF TEAM THAT'S BEING PROMOTED.

THERE'S A, UH, SUPPORT, UM, I MEAN, UH, UM, STAKEHOLDER GROUP.

THERE'S A OUTSIDE COMMITTEE THAT'S BEING, AND HERE'S A, AND THEN THERE'S US.

SO, SO THERE'S LIKE FOUR GROUPS THAT ARE BEING FORMED WITHIN THIS DOCUMENT BEING REQUESTED BESIDES A FEW OTHER THINGS.

SO, UM, MAYBE THIS COMMITTEE DOES ALL OF THAT OR, OR NOT.

SO, BUT I, I WOULD SUGGEST WE LOOK AT THAT, HOW MANY DIFFERENT COMMITTEES WE HAVE WORKING ON THIS AND, AND WHERE WE'RE MOVING FORWARD, SHOULD EVERYBODY'S MOVING FORWARD TOGETHER.

I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COMES OUT CLEAR.

UM, BUT DEFINITELY THAT, THAT ONE GROUP, WHETHER IT BE THE STAKEHOLDERS OR US, UH, OR ANOTHER GROUP THAT ACTUALLY LOOKS AT THE COST EFFECTIVENESS OF OUR THINGS, MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SPENDING MONEY WELL, UH, THE BIGGEST BANG FOR THE BUCK THERE VERSUS WHATEVER ELSE WE'RE DOING.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT, UH, PAUL BROUGHT UP WAS THE, UM, UH, IMMIGRATION.

AND, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO EMPHASIZE THAT, UH, THAT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE CROSSING A BORDER NOW, UH, IT'S GONE UP FROM A HALF MILLION TO A MILLION TO 2 MILLION THIS LAST YEAR, I THINK.

AND EXPECTATIONS, UM, UNLESS WE DO SOMETHING, SHALL WE SAY INHUMANE AND DRASTIC, IT'S GONNA TURN INTO ABOUT 5 MILLION, DO 5 MILLION PEOPLE WITHIN THE NEXT 10 YEARS, IS MY EXPECTATION.

SO IMMIGRATION IS COMING, AND SO WE HAVE TO BE, BE, THAT'S ONE OF THE ADAPTATIONS WE NEED TO WORK ON.

UH, PEOPLE ARE GONNA WANNA MOVE HERE.

SO WE NEED TO, UM, LOOK AT POPULATION INCREASE, PARTICULARLY FROM, UH, SHALL WE SAY THIRD WORLD IMMIGRATION, WHO ARE MOVING AWAY FROM CLIMATE CHANGE ISSUES, WHETHER, UH, WHATEVER IT IS, WHETHER IT BE, UH, THE, THE HIGH HEAT THEY'RE FACING, UM, THEIR WETLANDS ARE BEING REMOVED, THEIR FIELDS ARE BEING, UH, INUNDATED WITH FLOODS, THE RAINFALL, WHATEVER.

UM, BUT THERE'S, UH, THE REPORTS THAT EVEN THE IPC SAYS THERE'S GONNA BE ANYWHERE FROM ONE TO TWO, 2 BILLION PEOPLE ON THE MOVE IN THE NEXT 20 YEARS.

SO WE HAVE TO BE, SO WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT THAT, UM, AS PART OF, UH, WHAT WE PLAN FORWARD HERE IN PETALUMA FOR INCREASE IN POPULATION FROM THAT PARTICULAR IMMIGRATION MOVEMENT THAT IS GOING TO BE HAPPENING.

UM, I, I, I GUESS, UM, YEP.

NOT TO CUT YOU OFF, BUT, UM, I, I GUESS THE, UM, INTENT OF THIS ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS TO APPROVE OR APPROVE WITH MODIFICATIONS THIS TABLE.

AND SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, UH, THE, THE CONCEPT OF THE MULTIPLE GROUPS, PERHAPS IT WOULD BE BEST TO DISCUSS AND UNPACK THAT AND COME TO A CONSENSUS.

AND THEN MOVE ON.

UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA HEAR FROM THE CONSULTANT AND HAVE A DISCUSSION IN THE NUMBER OF GROUPS AND MAYBE OKAY.

GET, YOU WANNA GO, GO SECTION BY SIDE.

BECAUSE AS I SAID, I, I'VE GOT A FEW COMMENTS ON, ON SOME THINGS.

SO PULL ON DOWN THE LINE, .

YEAH, I, I FIGURED IT WOULD BE PRODUCTIVE TO SORT OF ONE, JUST GO ONE GO BY ONE, AND THAT THAT WOULD BE FINE.

JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE TAKE, LOOK AT THE ACCOUNTING OF, OF HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE NOW GONNA BE ENGAGED IN, IN THESE ACTIONS, AND WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN BE A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFICIENT ABOUT THE, UH, NUMBER OF PEOPLE AND GROUPS THAT ARE, THAT ARE ENGAGED INVOLVED.

SO, SO, SO THE FIRST ONE IS JUST THE, UM, NUMBER OF TEAMS AND GROUPS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED, UH, THROUGHOUT THE, THROUGH THE CORNERSTONES.

AND SO MAYBE LOOKING AT, UH,

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BECAUSE, UM, WHAT YOU'VE DONE IN, IN THE TRANSITIONING OF THESE COMMENTS, YOU'VE ACTUALLY PUT IN, UM, NOT EXACTLY WHO'S GOING TO BE DOING THIS, BUT THERE'S LOTS OF ACTIONS BY PEOPLE, A LOT OF ORGANIZATIONAL THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING AND, UH, AS CORNERSTONES AND AS, AS FIRST STEPS, WHICH IS GOOD FOR ORGANIZATIONAL, BUT THERE'S ALMOST, I WOULD SAY, ALMOST TOO MANY PEOPLE GETTING ENGAGED, INVOLVED, AND NOT SURE WHO'S DOING TO BE DOING WHAT, UM, IN EACH OF THESE GROUPS AND HOW MUCH CROSSOVER THERE IS BETWEEN 'EM.

SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, UH, GET THAT.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT CLEANED UP A LITTLE BIT.

AND, UM, I THINK IT'D BE A GOOD IDEA SORT OF TO GO ROW BY ROW THROUGH THE DIFFERENT ACTIONS.

AND SO WE'RE STILL ON ONE IN THE STAFFING STRATEGY AND IT INTERSECTS WITH A COUPLE OTHERS.

BUT, UM, PERHAPS WE COULD JUST COME TO SOME AGREEMENT ON ITEM NUMBER ONE HERE AND WHAT EXACTLY WE INTEND BY THAT AND HOW THAT MIGHT IMPACT THE DIFFERENT GROUPS THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE CONTEMPLATING.

WELL, UM, IF I MAY, GOOD EVENING BEING, UM, COMMISSION, UH, ERIC KOVICH, PRINCIPAL AT RAMIAN ASSOCIATES.

UM, JUST TO RESPOND, UH, TO THE VICE MAYORS COMMENTS, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF GROUPS IDENTIFIED.

ONE IS ONE OF THOSE IS A CLIMATE TEAM INTERNAL TO CITY STAFF.

SO THAT WOULD BE THE, USING THE RESOURCES OF THE CITY TO FURTHER, UH, THE CLIMATE VISION.

UH, ONE OF THE GROUPS WAS, UM, AND ONE OF THE GROUPS IT RELATES TO, UM, ACTION NUMBER, OH, SORRY, ACTION NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS KIND OF A STAKEHOLDER GROUP, WHICH IS A RECOMMENDATION OF THE CC AD HOC LAST TIME TO HAVE TO WORK WITH CITY STAFF WHO ARE ALREADY DOING THEIR BUDGETING, UH, WHO ARE ALREADY LOOKING AT IMPLEMENTATION THROUGH THEIR EXISTING PROGRAMS AND WORK PLANS.

AND THEN TO KIND OF WORK WITH OUTSIDE, UH, INDIVIDUALS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY WHO CAN BRING THEIR EXPERTISE TO HELP IDENTIFY OPPORTUNITIES TO FUND AND IMPLEMENT THOSE PROGRAMS GOING FORWARD.

UM, AND THEN THE THIRD, UH, OTHER GROUP IS AN INTERNAL TASK FORCE, UH, RELATED TO, UH, BUILDING CODES, WHICH IS CALLED OUT IN, UH, ACTION NUMBER, I BELIEVE IT'S NOW 18.

ACTION NUMBER 18.

THANK YOU, PATRICK.

UM, THAT'S A, AGAIN, ANOTHER GROUP THAT EXISTS INTERNALLY.

IT'S A TASK FORCE THAT ALREADY IS LOOKING AT, UM, IMPLEMENTING CODES AT A STAFF LEVEL, AND IT'S REALLY TO HELP THEM, UH, COORDINATE THIS WORK AROUND CLIMATE AS WELL.

YEAH, THERE, THERE'S SEVERAL, UM, IN, IN THE, GOING THROUGH IT, SEVERAL WHO'S, WHO'S GOING TO DO WHAT.

UM, SO ON FOUR, WHO'S GONNA MONITOR THE PROGRESS, WE OR SOMEBODY ELSE.

NUMBER SIX, ACCELERATE, UH, UH, CITY OWNED ACTIONS.

UM, THAT'S ALL INFRASTRUCTURE , BUT IN SEVEN, AGAIN, YOU HAVE STAKEHOLDER GROUPS BEING MENTIONED THERE, UH, TO WORK WITH THEM.

NOW THEY'RE GONNA BE THE SAME STAKEHOLDERS AND STAKEHOLDER GROUPS IN THE FIRST STAKEHOLDER GROUP, OR IS THIS THE SECOND STAKEHOLDER GROUP? UM, UM, SO IS, DOES EVERYONE ELSE AGREE THAT SORT OF STICKING TO ITEM NUMBER ONE YEAH.

MIGHT BEAR THE MOST FRUIT, AT LEAST FROM A TIME PERSPECTIVE.

I, I GUESS FROM A FORMAT PERSPECTIVE, THE DISCUSSION COLUMN IS SORT OF MORE FOR THIS MEETING'S PURPOSES THAN TO LIVE IN THE CORNERSTONE, SO, CORRECT.

UM, YEAH, SO I, I APPRECIATE THAT.

ITEM ONE IS SORT OF VAGUE, I GUESS, IN TERMS OF A STAFFING STRATEGY.

UM, IT IS PRETTY CLEAR, I GUESS IN NUMBER THREE, THAT THAT IS THE CLIMATE TEAM WITHIN THE CITY STAFF.

SO IS EVERYONE COMFORTABLE WITH THE LANGUAGE OF NUMBER ONE? DO WE WANT TO ADD MORE SPECIFICITY THERE OR HAND UP? YEAH.

UH, I, I GENERALLY FINE WITH IT.

UM, THE ONLY THING THAT KIND OF STRUCK ME A LITTLE BIT WAS THE, THE DISCUSSION PART.

YOU KNOW, WHERE IT SAYS THE INTENT IS TO ENSURE STAFF CULTURE IS PERMEATED WITH THE CLIMATE SENSIBILITY.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY THE INTENT.

I THINK THE INTENT IS TO, UM, YOU KNOW, DRIVE IMPLEMENTATION.

SO IT'S, THAT WOULD BE NICE TO GET THAT CORRECT, UM, BECAUSE I THINK WHAT WE'VE SEEN UP TO THIS POINT IS THE COMMUNITY PUSHING THE CITY, YOU KNOW, TO ACT.

AND NOW THE CITY'S GOING MORE AND MORE LIKE, YES, WE'RE ACTING, WE'RE MOVING, YOU KNOW, AND SO I, WHAT WE'D LIKE TO GET TO, WHEREAS THE CITY IS LEADING, YOU KNOW, WITH, IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COMMUNITY.

SO, SO ANYWAY, I THINK THAT DISCUSSION COULD BE REFRAMED AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO DO THAT.

I THINK

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UM, I, I JUST HAVE ONE MM-HMM.

ONE.

UM, JUST, UH, THE, ON THE PROPOSED TIMEFRAME, IT'S JANUARY 1ST, 2025.

UM, DOESN'T FEEL QUITE URGENT ENOUGH IN MY OPINION.

UM, THIS IS A REAL MINOR NITPICK.

FIRST OF ALL, I AGREE WITH BOTH OF THEM, BUT IN COLUMN TWO, I WOULD CHANGE THE LAST OR TO AN AND OR EDITORIAL, JUST EVEN MORE FLEXIBILITY IN HOW IT'S ACCOMPLISHED.

UM, BUT, AND, AND SPEAKING TO THE INTENT TOO, I, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF THINGS IN THAT DISCUSSION COLUMN THAT I FELT WOULD BE VALUABLE TO CARRY FORWARD IN SOME FASHION IN THE ACTUAL CORNERSTONES, BECAUSE THERE'S SOME IMPORTANT CONTENT THERE.

AND THE POINT THAT ANNE MADE IN PARTICULAR, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE LIVE IN THE STATEMENT OF INTENT THAT SITS ABOVE THIS GROUP OF ACTIONS, BECAUSE I THINK IT IS A REALLY CENTRAL PIECE OF THAT.

AND, AND THE STATEMENTS OF INTENT WILL BE IN THE CORNERSTONES.

IS, UM, I GUESS THERE, THOSE WERE TWO PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS.

IS EVERYONE MORE OR LESS IN ALIGNMENT WITH THOSE IS, AND THERE WAS A COMMENT ON THE DATE BEING NOT QUITE AGGRESSIVE ENOUGH.

I'LL SAY THE, IF IT HAPPENS THIS YEAR AND BY, AND BY THE END OF THE YEAR, I WOULD BE SURPRISED, PLEASANTLY SURPRISED.

SO, UM, I APPRECIATE WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, BUT, YOU KNOW, I DO THINK THE GEARS GRIND RATHER SLOWLY, ESPECIALLY LIKE THE POLICE CHIEF SHOULD PROBABLY ON THAT TEAM, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THAT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME HIGH LEVEL DEPARTMENT POSITIONS ARE STILL UNFILLED.

AND SO, UM, IT WILL TAKE SOME TIME AT THE CITY LEVEL TO FILL THOSE AND THEN ESTABLISH THOSE TEAM MEMBERS.

AND SO THE DATE SEEMS SOMEWHAT REASONABLE TO ME.

I, I, I WOULD ALSO JUST, I KNOW IT SEEMS, UH, SLOW, BUT ACTUALLY THAT'S PRETTY DARN FAST FOR A CITY .

UM, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE GONNA GET ALL THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS ON BOARD.

UM, IT CAN BE, IT CAN BE LIKE, YOU KNOW, DRAGGING A, A BAG OF BOWLING BALLS.

SO, UM, YEAH, JUST, JUST MY OWN EXPERIENCE WITH CITIES.

AND, UM, I GUESS IS THAT ENOUGH GUIDANCE? UH, THE TWO, THE, AND, AND THEN THE MODIFICATION OF THE INTENT.

UM, GREAT.

AND, UH, SORRY, COUNCIL MEMBER SCHIBS, I KNOW YOU WERE ON A ROLL THERE.

NO, I'M, I'M FINE WITH GOING ITEM BY ITEM.

AS LONG AS I'M ALLOWED TO ADD A COUPLE OTHER ITEMS THAT OKAY.

YEP.

YEAH, SURE.

I WOULD LIKE, LIKE TO ADD A FEW THINGS.

I DO THINK THE, THE BUDGET FOCUS IS PRETTY NARROW AND, AND NOT GONNA CHANGE.

UM, I THINK WE'RE ONTO NUMBER TWO NOW.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAUGHT ANYTHING IN NUMBER TWO OR IF ANYONE ELSE DID, OR, OKAY.

UM, IN ITEM NUMBER TWO, I WANTED TO SEE, SO WE HAVE, UM, IN THE END OF THE PHRASE, ENGAGED STAKEHOLDERS IN IDENTIFYING FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES.

I'D LIKE TO SEE IDENTIFYING AND PURSUING FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES.

THIS IS ONE OF THOSE ONES WHERE I'M, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IF IT'S JUST FOCUSED ON THE CITY'S, UM, BUDGETING AND FUNDING OF THE CITY'S MEASURES, OR IF IT'S LOOKING AT MORE OF A COMMUNITY-WIDE, UM, EFFORT.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I, THAT'S JUST A QUESTION REALLY.

'CAUSE I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY VERY BIG NUMBERS WHEN WE LOOK AT THE COMMUNITY WIDE EFFORT TO ELECT ELECTRIFIED BUILDINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, SO I'M WONDERING IN TERMS OF MEETING OUR CARBON NEUTRALITY GOAL, THAT ALL COMES INTO PLAY.

I, I GUESS I'LL JUST SAY BEFORE HEATHER WANTS TO COMMENT, YOU KNOW, HAVING PARTICIPATED IN THE BUDGET PROCESS SEVERAL TIMES, I DO KNOW THAT LIKE EXTERNAL GROUPS ARE FUNDED THROUGH THE CITY.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, PART OF THAT ASPECT OF THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT WILL BE COVERED THERE.

UM, AND THAT'S ABOUT THE EXTENT OF WHAT I WOULD EXPECT THE CITY TO BE ABLE TO DO, VERSUS LIKE A GROUP LIKE COOL PETALUMA HOLDING A FUNDING WORKSHOP THAT WAS PERHAPS CO-SPONSORED.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE COULD MODIFY IT TO INCLUDE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE, LIKE, CO-SPONSORING A WORKSHOP.

BUT

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IF, IF I COULD JUMP IN REAL QUICK, MAYBE BEFORE HEATHER, SORRY HEATHER, YOU KEEP STANDING AND SITTING.

UM, THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS IN THE BLUEPRINT THAT THE CITY CAN DO ON ITS OWN.

LIKE, UM, ONE OF THE MEASURES WAS, UM, TARGETED TOWARDS MAKING TRANSIT AVAILABLE TO DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES.

AND THE CITY'S LOOKING AT DOING A FAIR FREE PROGRAM, UM, PILOT AND HOPEFULLY FOREVER, UM, IF IT, IF IT WORKS OUT WELL, YOU KNOW, THOSE, THOSE KIND OF THINGS THE CITY CAN TAKE ON BY ITSELF, YOU KNOW, WITH UNILATERAL ACTION.

BUT SOME OF THESE ACTIONS IN HERE ARE HUGE, MASSIVE LIFTS THAT IT'S GONNA REQUIRE A LOT OF COMMUNITY, UM, YOU KNOW, SHARED ACTION ON IT.

IT CAN'T, IT, IT CAN MAYBE BE LED BY AND, AND CHEERLEADED BY THE CITY, BUT IT'S GONNA REQUIRE A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE TAKING ACTION PERSONALLY TO, TO DO, TO THE EXTENT WE CAN FACILITATE THAT, WE CAN BRING THE INFORMATION IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, SOME MAGICAL SOURCE OF FUNDING THAT WILL ALLOW US TO, UM, YOU KNOW, DISTRIBUTE THAT TO FOLKS, I THINK WE'D BE OPEN TO LOOKING INTO THAT AND FIGURING OUT HOW THAT PROGRAM WOULD WORK.

BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE, WE CAN ONLY TAKE ON WHAT WE HAVE CONTROL OVER OURSELVES.

UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPS.

UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S A, THE STAFF IS, IS DEDICATED AND, AND WANTS TO SEE THIS PROGRAM SUCCEED.

SO TO THE EXTENT WE CAN HELP WITH THAT, WE'RE, WE'RE ON BOARD AND, AND READY TO GO.

UM, IT'S JUST A LOT OF IT COMES DOWN TO RESOURCES THAT WE DON'T HAVE AVAILABLE.

SO WHERE WE CAN THIS, UM, THAT MAKES SENSE.

THE OTHER THING IS THE STRATEGY ALIGNMENT FEELS LIKE IT'S FALLS INTO MORE IMPLEMENTATION RATHER THAN MONITORING AND REPORTING ONE MORE OR THE OTHER.

UM, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT THE REVISED CORNERSTONE.

YOU KNOW, THE CITY'S BUDGET IS WHAT THE CITY, THAT'S HOW WE DO OUR ALLOCATION OF FUNDING.

AND IT OFTEN IS MONEY FOR PARTNERS WHERE THAT, THAT WORKS OR MONEY FOR CITY PROJECTS.

UM, BUT THE WAY THAT IT SAYS IDENTIFYING GAPS, ENGAGING STAKEHOLDERS ALSO GIVES THAT FLEXIBILITY SOMETIMES, WHICH WE'VE DONE, YOU KNOW, WITH RELIEF OR, OR YOU KNOW, OTHER STAKEHOLDERS TO SAY, WE WANNA DO THIS.

WE ONLY HAVE THIS MUCH, HELP US FIND THIS GAP.

SO IT KIND OF, I FEEL LIKE IT HAS FLUIDITY FOR US TO BE LOOKING AT IT EACH YEAR.

IT ACKNOWLEDGES THAT WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT IT EACH YEAR WITH OUR BUDGET, BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN ONE OF THE COMMON DISCUSSIONS, IS WE NEED TO TAKE THESE ACTIONS AND WE NEED TO WORK 'EM INTO THE CITY'S BUDGETS, THE WORK PLANS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE HAPPENING.

WE CAN EASILY ADD SOMETHING IN THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE INTENT, NOT ONLY FOR IMPLEMENTATION, BUT MONITORING.

UM, THIS IS ONE I PARTICULARLY I GET CONCERNED ABOUT AS TO WHO'S GOING TO DO WHAT ON THIS.

BECAUSE HAVING GONE THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS, ONCE WE DO HAVE A FINANCIAL OFFICER THAT PROVIDES US WITH A 400 PAGE BUDGET THAT IS DOMINATED BY ENGINEERING AND MAINTENANCE PROJECTS ALL THROUGHOUT.

SO, UM, ARE WE ASKING THAT OUR FINANCIAL OFFICER, UH, TREASURER TO, UM, TAKE THAT BOOK, THE 400 PAGES ON EVERY SINGLE ONE OF OUR PROJECTS, PUT A, UM, UM, DOES SOME SORT OF QUALIFICATION, DOES IT MEET CLIMATE CHANGE GOALS OR NOT? AND, AND THE COST COMPARISONS BASED ON CLIMATE CHANGE IS, ARE WE ASKING OUR FINANCIAL OFFICER TO DO THAT IN THIS? 'CAUSE THAT'S THE WAY I WOULD READ THIS.

UH, IT'S COMING THROUGH, ARE WE ASKING THE CITY COUNCIL TO TAKE THE BUDGET THAT WE GO THROUGH EVERY YEAR AND THEN IN THAT ONE SESSION THAT WE DO REVIEW THE BUDGET TO ACTUALLY TRY TO DO THIS ESTIMATION, UH, FROM CITY COUNCIL, UH, REVIEW POINT? OR ARE WE ASKING, UM, AND THEN SO WHO, WHO'S GONNA BE DOING THIS ESTIMATING AND WHO'S GONNA BE DOING THE EVALUATING? SO THAT'S WHY IT GETS PROBLEM WITH WHO AND DOING WHAT AND WHEN.

AND THEN THE SECOND PART, THE STAKEHOLDER'S EXAMPLE OF THAT, UH, I'M WITH THE RELIEF GROUP AND WE JUST GOT A MILLION DOLLAR GRANT WORKING WITH THE CITY.

SO, UM, AND WE HAVE BLUE ZONES, AND WE'VE GOT THE SADDAT AND WE'VE GOT, UH, 15 MINUTE COMMUNITY MONIES AND ALL HAVE COME IN FROM COMMUNITY EFFORTS.

SO THAT PART IS, IS I THINK IS, IS REALLY GOOD.

BUT THE, UM, UM, BUT POST ADAPTATION, THE ESTIMATION OF COST OF BLUEPRINT AND WHEN THEY SAW TALK ABOUT COST, WERE, WE ALSO TALK ABOUT BENEFIT RISK ANALYSIS ON THESE THINGS AND COMPARED TO ALL THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT NEED TO

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GET DONE.

SO AGAIN, IS IT, ARE WE ASKING OUR FINANCIAL OFFICER AND HER TEAM TO, TO DO THIS AHEAD OF US, UH, BEFORE IT EVEN COMES BEFORE CITY COUNCIL? OR, OR DO WE EXPECT US TO DO THAT OR THE STAKEHOLDER GROUP TO DO THAT? WHO'S GONNA DO IT? UM, THIS IS JUST KIND OF A, I GUESS A PROCESS QUESTION, WHICH IS, I'M SURE THOSE ARE ALL EXTREMELY IMPORTANT THINGS TO GET ANSWERED, BUT THAT'S, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S KIND OF WEARING YOUR CITY COUNCIL MEMBER HAT, AND THAT'S AN UNDERSTANDABLE VIEWPOINT.

BUT AS THE CLIMATE COMMISSION, I THINK WHAT WE'RE REALLY JUST TRYING TO DO IS TO SAY, WHAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS THAT WE THINK NEED TO HAPPEN SOONEST? AND I'M JUST, I, I'M JUST A LITTLE WORRIED THAT IF WE TRY AND GET INTO ALL THE, HOW ARE WE GONNA OPERATIONALIZE ALL THAT TONIGHT? WELL, WE'LL BE HERE FOR SIX WEEKS.

, AND JUST, JUST, JUST A VERY PRACTICAL CONCERN.

I, I THINK THAT CAN, IF I, IF I CAN SPEAK BRIEFLY TO THE INTENT OF THIS CORNERSTONE WAS JUST THAT, THAT THE, THE BLUEPRINT ITSELF SAYS, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO DO THIS, THIS, AND THAT, AND THERE IS A WHOLE IMPLEMENTATION PROCESS FOLLOWING IT.

AND SO WHAT WE, WERE TRYING TO GET INTO THE CORNERSTONE ACTIONS, WHAT WE THINK ARE THE INITIAL, YOU KNOW, IMPLEMENTATION PLANS.

AND SO ONE OF THEM IS TO WRAP OUR HEADS AROUND HOW MUCH IT'S GONNA COST TO DO THIS.

YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE AVAILABLE SOURCES OF FUNDS, WHAT ARE THE GAPS? AND SO, SO IDENTIFYING THOSE GAPS, THEN STARTING TO WORK ON HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE, UM, HOW DO WE FIND WAYS TO MEET THEM, YOU KNOW, SO THAT, SO THAT WAS KIND OF THE, AND IT WAS REALLY THE SAME INTENT WITH THE STAFFING STRATEGY.

LIKE WE NEED TO KIND OF PUSH FORWARD A LITTLE BIT INTO WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THESE ACTIONS TO ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT THIS AND GET IT ROLLING.

AND IF, IF I MAY, AS STAFF, UM, THE BUDGET IS MOST CERTAINLY NOT JUST DEVELOPED BY THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT.

IT IS A CROSS DEPARTMENTAL DOCUMENT.

UM, AND THAT IT REALLY DOES TIE IN AS, UH, COMMISSIONER BAKER SAID TO THE, THE FIRST ACTION, WHICH IS HAVING THAT CLIMATE ACTION.

IF THAT PERMEATES THE CULTURE AND EVERYBODY'S LOOKING AT THAT, LOOKING AT THE BUDGET DEVELOPMENT SPECIFICALLY, AND NUMBER TWO AS HOW DO WE MEET THE GOALS OF THIS BLUEPRINT DOCUMENT WHILE WE'RE DEVELOPING OUR BUDGET, I THINK THAT'S ALL THE MORE LIKELY THAT THOSE GOALS ARE GONNA BE HAPPENING IF IT'S PART OF THE CULTURE AND PART OF EVERYTHING THAT EVERYBODY'S ROWING TOWARDS.

SO I THINK THOSE TWO ARE, ARE PRETTY CLOSELY RELATED THERE.

AND JUST A, A QUESTION CLARIFICATION.

I, I REALLY APPRECIATE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS, YOU KNOW, VIEWPOINT ON THIS, HAVING TO ACTUALLY DEAL WITH THE BUDGET .

UM, JUST WONDERING IF, IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO MAKE THIS ITEM A LITTLE BIT MORE DISCREET TO CAPITAL PROJECTS, UH, BECAUSE SOME OF THESE, THE, THE THINGS THAT WE'RE SUGGESTING HERE ARE, ARE GONNA BE PRETTY HARD TO ESTIMATE.

UM, AS FAR AS THERE, THERE IS, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A CORNERSTONE, BUT THERE IS AN ACTION AROUND ALIGNING THE CIP WITH.

SO THAT IS, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S IN THE CORNERSTONE, BUT THERE IS A SPECIFIC IN THE BLUEPRINT ON ALIGNING THE CIP PROGRAM WITH THE NET ZERO TARGET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO THAT IS IN THE DOCUMENT.

UM, I GUESS IN THE INTEREST OF MOVING ON, MAYBE I MIGHT PROPOSE SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THIS.

UM, I APPRECIATE THE LIKE IMPORTANCE OF COST ESTIMATING, YOU KNOW, HAVING LIKE DONE COST ESTIMATION A BUNCH, IT'S, YOU KNOW, USUALLY ONLY ACCURATE FOR LIKE SIX MONTHS.

AND SO I WOULD HATE TO GET SO SPECIFIC ON THIS.

PERHAPS IT'S SOMETHING LIKE POST-ADOPTION, ESTABLISH THE PROTOCOL OR PROCEDURE TO DO COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS OF IMPLEMENTATION, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHAT PUNTING THE ACTUAL WORK OF COST ESTIMATING TO MORE OF LIKE AN IMPLEMENTATION PHASE SUCH THAT THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION COULD PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCEDURE AND PROCESS TO ACTUALLY DO THAT COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS.

SO SOMEWHAT EMPOWERING US TO ACTUALLY TAKE THAT STEP VERSUS RELYING ON, UH, CITY STAFF TO DO THAT.

UH, THAT'S THE, THE FIRST PIECE.

AND THEN THE SECOND PIECE, I DO THINK THIS PUTS A LOT OF WEIGHT ON THE CITY'S SHOULDERS AND I DO THINK THE COUNTY SHOULD BE NAMED HERE.

YOU KNOW, WE NEED THE COUNTY AS A STRONG PARTNER IN THIS AND THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE, WE ARE NOT ASY AS WE NEED TO BE.

AND IF WE COULD HAVE SOME LANGUAGE THAT INCLUDES WORKING WITH THE COUNTY, THAT WOULD BE IN, I THINK EVERYONE'S INTEREST.

SO THOSE ARE MY TWO I TOP IDEAS FOR HOW TO,

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UM, YEAH, DEFINITELY.

I MEAN, I THINK EVERYTHING THAT WE DO, WE SHOULD ASSUME WE'RE GONNA BE COLLABORATING WITH THE COUNTY WHENEVER IT MAKES SENSE AND CERTAINLY MAKES SENSE.

UM, I'M NOT ENTHUSED ABOUT THE IDEA OF ADDING MORE WORDS.

I, I THINK GOING BACK TO WHAT WE HAD IN MIND AS THE AD HOC WAS REALLY MORE OF SORT OF A HIGH LEVEL, NOT HIGHLY ACCURATE, BUT, YOU KNOW, ORDER OF MAGNITUDE, LIKE HOW MUCH MONEY IS THIS ALL GONNA TAKE? AND YEAH, THAT'S A MOVING TARGET.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY NOT GONNA NAIL IT, BUT TO SORT OF HAVE A GENERAL SENSE OF LIKE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 70 UMP DIUM BAZILLION DOLLARS TO DO THIS AND WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S A LOT OF MONEY AND WE NEED TO BE AGGRESSIVE PURSUING IT.

I THINK THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE WERE AFTER WAS TO SORT OF SAY, HEY, NO, THIS ISN'T EASY.

IT'S VERY BIG AND LET'S WRAP OUR HEADS AROUND HOW BIG IT IS, AS OPPOSED TO A VERY, VERY GRANULAR THING, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY MORE OF A, AGAIN, YEAR BY YEAR PROJECT BY PROJECT THING THAT WILL BE CONTINUALLY EMERGING.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IS THERE A WAY WE CAN, UM, ADD IN HERE THAT, UM, WHEN THE PURPOSE OF LOOKING AT COST IS TO, UM, DO THE THINGS THAT ARE, UH, MOST EFFECTIVE WITH THE LEAST EFFORT WITH THE LOWEST COST? SO IS THERE, UM, A STATEMENT FOR ADD WORTHINESS OF ADDING IN HERE TO START PROJECTS IMMEDIATELY THAT ARE IMPLEMENTED AT LOW COST FIRST? I MEAN, CERTAINLY THAT'S THE, I MEAN THE CERTAINLY IMPLEMENTATION, DOING AN ANALYSIS OF THE, THE WHOLE PICTURE, LIKE HOW MUCH IT'S GONNA COST, WOULD THAT WOULD BE PART OF IT? THAT WOULD BE PART, YEAH, I WOULD THINK SO.

YOU KNOW, AND THEN I THINK THE OTHER THING IS BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA TAKE SEVERAL YEARS TO IMPLEMENT, IT MAKES SENSE TO LOOK AT LIKE, OKAY, THIS IS LIKE A FIVE YEAR BUDGETING PROCESS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND IDENTIFYING THE GAPS.

'CAUSE I, I THINK WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU BU YOU BUMP UP AGAINST THE BUDGET LIMITATION EVERY YEAR AND YOU DON'T REALLY NECESSARILY STRATEGICALLY ASSESS LIKE, HERE'S WHERE OUR GAPS ARE, THE FUNDING'S OUT THERE IN HUD OR THE FUNDING'S OUT THERE SOMEWHERE AND WE NEED TO GET AHEAD OF IT TWO YEARS IN ADVANCE AND START DEVELOPING OUR PLAN, HAVE IT BE COMMUNITY SUPPORTED, DO OUR COMMUNITY PARTICIPATION, AND THEN GET THE MONEY.

YOU KNOW, AND, AND I THINK THOSE ARE THE KIND THAT, THAT'S WHY WE'RE SAYING THERE NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A FINANCIAL UNDERSTANDING AND BUDGETING FOR THE WHOLE EFFORT.

SO YOU CAN LOOK PAST THE ANNUAL BUDGET PROCESS.

WE SORT OF ARE DOING THAT LIKE WITH EV CHARGING STATIONS THROUGHOUT THE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE, LOOKING AT THE ELECTRICAL CAPACITY.

SO WE'RE PUTTING A LOT OF MONEY INTO THE PLANNING OF THAT, FIGURING OUT WHAT TO DO RIGHT.

AND GET RECOMMENDATIONS LIKE THAT.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ALL AFTER, RIGHT? IS THAT, AND THEN, THEN YOU CAN PRIORITIZE THOUGH, WE MEAN PRIORITIZATION.

SEE THE EV'S GONNA CAUSE THIS AND THE SOLAR PANELS AND THE, YOU KNOW, SEW TREATMENT PLANTS GONNA COST THAT AND WHICH ONE ARE WE GONNA DO FIRST? 'CAUSE WE CAN'T DO BOTH KIND OF THING.

I'M JUST MAYBE, UH, UM, TO, TO ASSIST IN PRIORITIZATION OF EFFORT.

IT'S OKAY WITH ME.

THAT'S ALL I WOULD BE LOOKING FOR.

I, I KIND OF THINK IN GENERAL IF, IF THE CITY FEELS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU FEEL LIKE WE CAN USE THIS LANGUAGE, EXISTING LANGUAGE, MAYBE SLIGHTLY MODIFIED AND MAYBE PUNT ON EXACTLY HOW IT'S APPLIED AT THIS POINT, I MIGHT JUST IN THE INTEREST OF TIME BE A GOOD IDEA.

JUST, JUST I THINK IT'S A DIFFICULT SUBJECT.

HONESTLY.

WE COULD PROBABLY JUST SPEND THE ENTIRE MEETING TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW, HOW WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT BUDGETING FOR SUCH A LARGE INITIATIVE.

WHICH IS WHY IT HAS TO BE A CORNERSTONE.

AND, BUT I THINK AS LONG AS THE LANGUAGE IS IN THERE AND THEN THE, SO THE CITY KNOWS IT'S PRIORITY, THE, THE ACTUAL NUTS AND BOLTS OF HOW THAT'S THOUGHT THROUGH MAYBE THE CITY CAN YEAH.

APPLY THEIR WISDOM THERE.

SOUNDS GOOD.

IS MUCH BROADER AND INCLUDES TRAINING.

I I THINK THAT WAS SOME DIRECTION.

HOPEFULLY, UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE MY SUGGESTION TO INCLUDE THE COUNTY WAS, UH, NOT SECONDED.

SO I'M OKAY WITH THAT.

UM, I GUESS THE ONLY LAST THING I'LL SAY, THE WORD ESTIMATE SEEMS SORT OF FINITE AND IF YOU COULD POSSIBLY MAKE THAT MORE OF A, YOU KNOW, LONGER TERM THING THAN THE JANUARY 1ST, 2026 DATE.

UM, OKAY.

UH, NUMBER THREE.

YES, Y'ALL GET TO HEAR ONE OF MY PET PEEVES.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE EDUCATION SUBSTITUTED WHEREVER TRAINING IS SHOWN IN THIS DOCUMENT.

BECAUSE TRAINING IS WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH MONKEYS TO, UM, HELP THEM UNDERSTAND HOW TO DO A SIMPLE TASK.

EDUCATION

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NO OTHER COMMENTS.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NUMBER THREE.

YEAH, CORRECT.

, UH, I GUESS JUST A, A QUESTION ON, UH, THE WORD PROGRAM.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE DISCUSSED LAST TIME IS LIKE A PROGRAM IS DEFINITELY STRONGER THAN A PLAN OR A STRATEGY, RIGHT? UH, SO THE CITY, I JUST WANT TO, YOU KNOW, TRY TO UNDERSTAND, UH, THE CITY'S POSITION HERE OF LIKE, IS THAT SOMETHING YEAH, THIS, THIS WILL LIVE IN A DEPARTMENT, THERE'LL BE A PROGRAM, BE SOMEONE IN CHARGE OF THE PROGRAM, RIGHT? LIKE THAT I, THAT'S SOMETHING I ALWAYS THINK ABOUT.

IF, IF SOMETHING IS RECOMMENDED, UH, A PROGRAM, SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO BUILD OUT, FUND MAINTAIN, RIGHT? LIKE, AS OPPOSED TO A STRATEGY GETS TO THE INTENT.

UH, SO JUST CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE ENVISIONING THERE.

UM, WITH THIS, I MEAN, WE, WE CURRENTLY HAVE THE POSITION OF OF CLIMATE ACTION MANAGER, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT MAY CHANGE IN THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATION OF NUMBER ONE.

UM, I, I DO THINK THAT, I MEAN, IT IS ACTUALLY A THOUGHT I HAD THE OTHER DAY ABOUT HOW, HOW TEACHERS HAVE IN SERVICES WHERE THEY, UM, TAKE THE DAYS OFF.

THERE'S NO SCHOOL HAPPENING, NO KIDS THERE.

AND THEY REALLY FOCUS ON DEVELOPING THE STAFF RESOURCES AND JUST THINKING HOW GREAT THAT WOULD BE FOR US AS A CITY TO JUST, YOU KNOW, FOCUS DAYS.

AND, AND MAYBE IT'S NOT CLIMATE, BUT THERE'S A, A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO KIND OF LIKE BUILD THAT CULTURE.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UM, AT, AT LEADERSHIP IN THE CITY IS HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE BUILD THIS NEW CULTURE? WE'VE ADDED A LOT OF NEW PEOPLE TO OUR STAFF.

UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PEOPLE HIRED, UM, OVER, OVER COVID.

SO HOW, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HOW WE BUILD CULTURE HERE.

UM, AND I COULD DEFINITELY SEE, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO MAKE CLIMATE ACTION AND WHAT WE CAN DO AS A CITY BEING A, A BIG STRATEGY OF THAT EDUCATIONAL EFFORT, UM, WITHIN OUR STAFF, WHETHER IT'S AN IN-SERVICE OR WHETHER IT'S JUST PART OF OUR NORMAL, HEY, TAKE, TAKE AN HOUR AND UM, AND LEARN SOME NEW SKILLS KIND OF THING.

DO YOU WANT, COULD I ADD SOMETHING? UM, THIS, THE INTENT OF THIS, UM, PARTICULAR CORNERSTONE WAS ACTUALLY TO CREATE THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, NOT TO TRAIN STAFF.

SO THAT'S A COMMENT ON THE ALIGNMENT COLUMN THERE.

IT'S NOT, THE INTENT OF THIS WAS, SO IT WAS KIND OF LIKE, ONE, PUT SOMEBODY IN CHARGE TWO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH MONEY THIS IS GONNA COST.

THREE, CREATE A PLAN, YOU KNOW, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THIS EFFORT WAS.

UM, BUT WASN'T IT, AND THAT SEEMS MORE LIKE IN THIS LIKE THE BLUEPRINT COORDINATORS TO COLLECT DATA AND TRACK THAT FEELS KIND OF LIKE THAT ASPECT.

LIKE WE'RE FLIP, LIKE FLIP IT, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE I THINK THAT IT WAS KIND OF THE, THE INTENT WAS MORE AROUND CREATING THE, THE PLAN ACROSS THE, BUT WASN'T IT ALSO ABOUT CREATING THE CULTURE? YEAH, I THINK SO.

ABSOLUTELY.

SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE THOSE ARE TWO, THE ONGOING TRAINING PROGRAM OR EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM OR, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE ORIGINALLY, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WERE THINKING ABOUT STAFF RETREAT, IT WAS KIND OF TO, THE INTENT IS TO GET PEOPLE TOGETHER TO, YOU KNOW, COME TOGETHER AROUND THAT COMMON PURPOSE.

AND AS PATRICK WAS SAYING, THERE'S LOTS OF WAYS THAT THAT CAN JUST BE INCORPORATED ALSO INTO SOME OF OUR EXISTING STRUCTURE.

UM, AND SOONER THAN LATER, MAYBE BEFORE JANUARY, 2025, WE'LL HAVE A NEW PERSON IN, IN THAT ROLE WHO THAT PERSON WILL BE, WHAT EXACT, YOU KNOW, WHAT OTHER STAFF, YOU KNOW, SO WANTING TO LEAVE IT, THE INTENT THERE, UM, BUT NOT GET SO PRESCRIPTIVE THAT THAT PERSON ALSO HAS THE ROOM TO COME IN AND, AND HAVE IDEAS AND UM, IMPLEMENT THOSE, THOSE IDEAS WITH THE STAFF TO BUILD THE CULTURE.

BUT THEN ALSO I FEEL LIKE WHAT IS, AND IT LOOKS LIKE MAYBE WE'RE MISSING A NUMBER HERE.

THE DEVELOP AND IMPLEMENT IS ONE AND ESTABLISH A CLIMATE TEAM IS ANOTHER.

UM, SO I FEEL LIKE THEY'RE BOTH KIND OF THERE TO THE INTENT THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THIS ONE.

UM, AND SO OFTENTIMES IT'S NICE LIKE TO PATRICK'S POINT TO GO OFF SITE AND HAVE A PROFESSIONAL FACILITATOR HELP YOU KIND OF REORGANIZE YOUR THOUGHTS STRATEGICALLY AND UM, 'CAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE THE REGULAR COURSE OF BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A STAFF RETREAT.

WELL, YES.

AND SO, SO IT WAS THE, THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN WAS, UM, CONDUCT A PROFESSIONALLY FACILITATED STAFF RETREAT, UM, TO DEVELOP A STAFF DESIGN STAFF DIRECTED TWO TO THREE YEAR IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.

SO IT'S, IT'S ESSENTIALLY, THERE'S A THIRD THING IS TO CREATE A STRATEGIC PLAN, YOU KNOW?

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I THINK THAT THAT'S NOT THE IMPORTANT PART.

THE, THE IMPORTANT PART IS TO CREATE THE STRATEGIC PLAN, AN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.

SO THAT SHOULD BE LIKE NUMBER THREE IN THAT.

I, UM, I GUESS I'M CURIOUS, NOT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, ERIC, BUT, UM, WE'VE, SEEMS LIKE WE'RE CIRCLING AROUND THIS TOPIC OF AN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN QUITE A BIT.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE DONE CLIMATE IMPLEMENTATION PLANS, BUT JUST IMPLEMENTATION PLANS IN GENERAL, WHAT THEIR TIMELINE, HOW MUCH DO THEY COST? LIKE, YOU KNOW, I THINK A LITTLE BIT OF PUBLIC DISCUSSION ON LIKE, WHAT IS THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN AND LIKE, DO WE WANT THAT AND DO WE WANNA MAKE THAT A SPECIFIC CORNERSTONE ACTION MIGHT BE HELPFUL? I THINK THE ANSWER TO THAT IS THAT IT'S GONNA DEPEND, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU CAN HAVE IMPLEMENTATION PLANS FOR THE ENTIRE BLUEPRINT.

YOU CAN HAVE IMPLEMENTATION PLANS FOR THESE 20 OR 30 INITIAL CORNERSTONE ACTIONS, YOU MIGHT PICK OFF OTHER ONES.

SO THE EXTENT OF THAT PROCESS AND THE DEPTH OF THAT PROCESS WILL DETERMINE HOW LONG IT TAKES, WHETHER YOU NEED ADDITIONAL STAFFING RESOURCES.

YOU MIGHT HAVE TALENTED STAFF INTERNALLY WHO CAN HELP FACILITATE THAT.

SO IT MIGHT JUST BE THE STAFF TIME NECESSARY TO SPEND THE DAY OR TWO DOING THAT WORK.

UM, WHAT I'M HEARING THOUGH IN THIS CONVERSATION IS THAT YOU ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE ANNUAL PROCESSES, WHETHER THEY'RE WORK PLANS OR BUDGETING, ARE NOT ADEQUATE NECESSARILY TO BRIDGE THE GAP BETWEEN YOUR 2030 GOAL AND YOUR CURRENT SITUATION.

AND I THINK THAT COMES OUT CLEARLY IN THE COMMENTS THAT YOU'RE MAKING.

AND THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING TO BRIDGE THE TWO GAPS, WHETHER IT'S ANOTHER PLAN MADE OR A STRATEGIC PLAN.

MAYBE WE CAN TALK TO STAFF ABOUT THAT, BUT SOME WAY TO BRIDGE THE TWO.

AND I THINK THAT'S KIND OF THE IDEA BEHIND THE COST ESTIMATING AS WELL AS THIS IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, BUT SOME STEPPING STONE BETWEEN, RIGHT, LIKE A PRO FORMA, LIKE IF YOU'RE GONNA DO, YOU KNOW, HOUSING DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU'D HAVE TO KIND OF YEAH, MAP IT OUT A LITTLE BIT, FIGURE OUT YOUR MONIES, WHERE IT'S COMING FROM SO THAT, SO, SO YEAH, THE INTERIM STEP LIKE THAT AND STRATEGIC PLANS CAN COST $25,000 TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE SCALE AND THE EXTENT THAT YOU DO.

YEAH, I I MEAN I THINK YOU'VE, YOU'VE PRETTY MUCH NAILED IT, ERIC, BUT I'LL EMPHASIZE ONE POINT, WHICH IS WE FELT THAT BECAUSE THIS IS SUCH A, A BIG THING AND BECAUSE OF THE IMPORTANCE OF INCULCATING THE STAFF CULTURE AROUND CLIMATE, WE REALLY FELT LIKE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD HAPPEN SOON AND BE SOMEWHAT INTENSIVE AS A, AS A LAUNCH, RIGHT? LIKE, LIKE WE WANT EVERYBODY ON BOARD WITH THIS HUGE EFFORT THAT WE'RE GONNA MAKE AND WE WANT IT TO HAPPEN QUICKLY.

COUNCIL, COUNCIL MEMBER SCHES.

HI.

UH, YEAH, MAYBE A LONELY VOICE HERE, BUT, UM, I JUST, I WORRY THAT THIS, THIS, THIS, WE'RE A SMALL CITY.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE RESOURCES FOR SOMETHING REAL, REAL HUGE.

I THINK YOU HAVE A, A CLIMATE ACTION MANAGER OR SOMEONE WHO IS IN CHARGE OF IMPLEMENTING THIS AND DIRECTS OR WORKS WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY NEED TO DO.

THE CITY MANAGER IS GOING TO DIRECT STAFF AND YES, THERE'S A CULTURE SHIFT HERE, BUT PART OF THAT IS JUST PEOPLE YOU HIRE.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE, UM, THAT'S WHY WE HIRE PEOPLE AND WE, WHEN WE HIRE THEM, WE'RE GONNA LOOK FOR DEDICATION TO POSITIVE CHANGE.

I, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WE'RE ALL GONNA BE GOING THROUGH A CULTURAL SHIFT HERE.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN HAVE, UM, I I JUST, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CITY HAS TO FUNCTION WHILE WE'RE DOING THIS, RIGHT? SO THE CITY, THE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S GONNA STILL NEED TO BE A POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THEY, THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY GONNA HAVE THE TIME OR THE SPACE TO, TO HAVE TONS AND TONS OF ED, YOU KNOW, NEW EDUCATION.

I THINK THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE LIKE CLIMATE ACTION MANAGER THAT WORKS WITH 'EM AND SAID, HEY, YOU'RE GONNA BUY NEW EQUIPMENT, LET'S MAKE SURE THAT'S ELECTRIC.

YOU KNOW, I, I, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE I'M, I'M, I'M ON AN ISLAND HERE, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S HOW, UH, I SEE IT WORKING.

THANKS.

PRACTICALLY.

YEAH, I, I SEE AN ISSUE WITH, UM, THE, THE, THIS,

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UH, THIRD ONE HERE BECAUSE IT HAS BASICALLY, THERE'S THREE THINGS FOR ARE LIKE BLENDED TOGETHER IN HERE THAT REALLY NEED TO BE SPLIT APART.

AND ONE OF 'EM IS, IS ACTUALLY GOING BACK TO NUMBER ONE, A STAFFING STRATEGY.

AND SO IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A CLIMATE TEAM AND BLUEPRINT COORDINATORS, WHICH IS A WHOLE ADDING A FUNCTION TO MULTIPLE PEOPLE IN EACH OF THESE DEPARTMENTS, THERE'S MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS.

AND IF YOU'RE ADDING A FUNCTION TO ALL THOSE, THAT THAT'S GONNA BE PART OF THE STAFFING STRATEGY.

SO AT THE TOP, THE STAFFING STRATEGY MAY OR MAY NOT INCLUDE COORDINATORS WITHIN EACH DEPARTMENT, WHETHER IT BE A ONE MANAGER JUST COORDINATING FOR EVERYBODY AND HAVING GROUP MEETINGS.

AND SO A, UM, A STAFFING STRATEGY OF HOW YOU ACTUALLY, UM, ASSIGN, UM, FUNCTIONS TO EACH OF THE PERSONS IN THE DEPARTMENTS.

'CAUSE WE'RE ADDING ON THIS AS AN ADDITION TO WHAT THEY'RE DOING NOW.

UM, SO THAT'S ONE OF THE CONCERNS IS, IS HOW MUCH TIME AND ENERGY, UM, IF YOU'RE GONNA ASSIGN THAT TO EVERYONE, THEY'VE GOT A, IT, IT'S PART OF THE CULTURE.

SO YOU HAVE A STAFFING STRATEGY, YOU HAVE A CULTURE WHICH HAS HELPED OUT WITH THE EDUCATION TRAINING TYPE PROGRAM.

SO THAT THAT'S CREATING THE CULTURE WITHIN IT AS WELL AS THE STAFFING RESPONSIBILITIES AND COORDINATIONS.

AND THEN YOU HAVE THE OTHER PART OF THIS, WHICH IS THE ACTUAL, UM, DATA COLLECTION AND ACTUALLY IMPLEMENTATION BECAUSE THERE'S SOME IMPLEMENTATION IN HERE, THE DATA COLLECTION AND ANALYSIS TYPE ISSUES AND WHETHER THAT'S BEING DONE BY THE COORDINATORS OR BY THE STAFF MANAGER.

SO, BUT THE FOLLOW UP ALONG WITH THIS, FOLLOWING UP THE IMPLEMENT IMPLEMENTATION.

SO THOSE ARE THREE SEPARATE THINGS THAT I SEE THAT NEED TO BE PULLED APART.

'CAUSE RIGHT NOW I I SEEM SORT OF BLENDED IN, IN HERE IN, IN THIS ONE STATEMENT.

SO NUMBER ONE, MAYBE ADDING IN, UM, STAFFING STRATEGY ALONG WITH EXACTLY HOW THE STAFFING'S GONNA BE, UM, POSITIONED AND, AND WHAT RESPONSIBILITIES GO TO WHO THAT HAS TO BE DEVELOPED.

SO JUST SAY IT HAS TO BE DEVELOPED, LET 'EM DEVELOP IT, HOWEVER THESE BE DONE.

AND THEN, UM, BUT WITHIN THAT CULTURE CHANGE.

AND THEN WITH, AND THEN ANOTHER ADDITION OF THAT IS, UH, HOW TO, UM, ACTUALLY START THE IMPLEMENTATION AS A PART OF THE CULTURE THAT EVERY POSSIBILITY.

IT'S LIKE, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE ADD-ON FOR ALL PROCESSES.

SO THAT, THAT'S HOW I WOULD, LIKE, I WOULD SEPARATE THOSE OUT.

UH, LET ME SEE IF I DIGESTED EVERYONE'S COMMENTS HERE.

UM, I SORT OF HEARD YOU SAYING THAT THE FIRST PART, AND HEATHER SAID THE FIRST PART MAYBE NEEDS ITS OWN NUMBER AND YOU'RE SUGGESTING IT POSSIBLY GETS FOLDED INTO THE STAFFING STRATEGY.

AND, UM, AND MENTIONED MODIFYING FROM TRAINING TO EDUCATION.

SO IS IS, IS EVERYONE UNDERSTAND THAT AS A PROPOSAL? TAKE OUT THE FIRST PARAGRAPH ABOVE NUMBER THREE, SWITCH THE WORD TRAINING TO EDUCATION AND ACTUALLY ADD IT AS A SUB-BULLET UNDER NUMBER ONE.

IS THAT, AND THEN, OKAY.

AND THEN, UM, I GUESS THERE WAS SOMEWHAT OF A LINGERING COMMENT, BUT NOT A PROPOSAL AROUND THE ORIGINAL INTENT BEING TO SORT OF HAVE AN IMPLEMENTATION THING.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A PROPOSAL YOU HAVE FOR LANGUAGE THERE.

YEAH, YEAH.

I THINK, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, UM, TO CREATE AN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY, I MEAN, HOWEVER YOU WANNA PHRASE THAT.

UM, SO THAT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE SAYING ESTABLISH A CLIMATE TEAM, UM, YOU COULD ADD IT INTO THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THE CLIMATE TEAM WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR CREATING THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.

UM, 'CAUSE IT, IT DOES, YOU KNOW, DOES, DOES NEED TO BE COORDINATED, YOU KNOW, ACROSS DEPARTMENTS.

AND IT'S NOT BUSINESS AS USUAL.

EVERYBODY'S ALREADY GOT A FULL-TIME JOB, SO, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU FIT IT IN THERE? AND I THINK IT'S PRETTY IMPORTANT.

UM, AND PATRICK, YEAH, IF I COULD ADD SOMETHING, I, I WANTED TO BRING US BACK TO THE BEGINNING OF THESE COMMENTS WHERE, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER SHRIVES DISCUSSED THE NEED TO BE COST EFFECTIVE.

UM, AND I HEARD, YOU KNOW, THE NEED TO BE STRATEGIC, UM, DISCUSSING THIS AS WELL.

AND I COULD SEE THERE BEING PEOPLE THAT LOOK AT THIS AND SAY, OKAY, WELL WE HAVE A CLIMATE EMERGENCY FRAMEWORK THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS A PLAN THAT WAS VERY HIGH LEVEL.

WE HAVE THIS BLUEPRINT NOW, ISN'T THAT OUR STRATEGIC PLAN OR ISN'T THAT OUR IMPLEMENTATION PLAN? SO, UM, I I UNDER, I THINK I UNDERSTAND THE, THE INTENT THERE IS LIKE, LET'S, LET'S GET THESE THINGS DONE.

BUT, UM, I, I DON'T, I THINK WHAT, WHAT I WOULD OFFER FOR THAT IS MAYBE WE NEED A

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PRIORITIZATION.

LIKE WE NEED TO BE STRATEGIC ON THESE THINGS.

WE NEED TO LOOK AT HOW COST EFFECTIVE THEY ARE FOR THE IMPACT THAT THEY PROVIDE.

UM, AND MAYBE THAT'S, MAYBE WE CALL THAT AN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN OR MAYBE IT'S A STRATEGIC PLANNER OR SOME SORT OF PRIORITIZATION, UM, TO REVEAL A A LITTLE BIT OF HOW THE, UM, THE TOFU IS MADE, UM, IN OUR CIP BUDGET.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS PROCESS THAT, THAT OUR C-I-P-C-I-P TEAM HAS BEEN DOING WHERE THEY'VE LOOKED AT THINGS LIKE, HOW FAR ALONG ARE WE ALREADY IN THIS PROJECT? HOW MUCH MORE EFFORT DOES IT TAKE TO GET US ACROSS THE FINISH LINE? UM, ARE THERE GRANT FUNDINGS THAT'S TIED TO THIS? LIKE BASICALLY WHAT'S THE INERTIA? WHAT WOULD PREVENT US FROM SWITCHING GEARS AS SOMETHING WAS A HIGHER PRIORITY TO THE COMMUNITY? THAT MEANS WE NEED TO TAKE OUR FOCUS AWAY FROM THIS AND PUT IT ON SOMETHING ELSE THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT'S HELPFUL FOR THIS.

LIKE, WHAT ARE THE PRIORITIES OF THE COMMUNITY BASED UPON WHAT INERTIA, HOW MUCH LEVEL OF EFFORT IT TAKES TO GET ACROSS THE FINISH LINE.

IS IT, IS IT A, A REALLY SIMPLE THING LIKE, YOU KNOW, JUST GETTING INFORMATION ABOUT THE INFLATION REDUCTION ACT OUT, OUT TO OUR, OUR COMMUNITY.

UM, YOU KNOW, NOT A LOT OF INERTIA THERE.

THAT COULD BE DONE PRETTY EASILY, BUT, YOU KNOW, ELECTRIFYING, EVERY SINGLE BUILDING WITHIN PETALUMA MIGHT BE MORE DIFFERENT, DIFFICULT.

SO THAT PRIORITIZATION, THE STRATEGIC, UM, PLAN MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD CONSIDER FOR THIS.

UM, AND, AND MAYBE I'VE JUST TALKED A LOT AND IT'S REALLY JUST COMING RIGHT BACK TO THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, BUT I, I KIND OF WANTED TO PUT THAT PLUG IN THERE ABOUT THE COST EFFECTIVENESS THAT I HEARD EARLIER ON IN THIS MEETING.

I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE, LIKE PLAN THE WORD PLAN, AND I DON'T LIKE THE WORD PLAN.

I DO LIKE THE WORD IMPLEMENTATION.

IF WE COULD ADD THE WORD IMPLEMENTATION INTO NUMBER THREE, POSSIBLY AFTER ANNUAL WORK PAN PLAN, YOU KNOW, SO THAT THERE WAS, I THINK WORK PLAN IS SOMEWHAT IMPLEMENTATION, BUT IF WE COULD ADD THAT WORD IN THERE, THAT'D BE GREAT.

UM, I THINK JUST LAST THING, GOING BACK TO SWITCHING THE WORD TRAINING AND EDUCATION, I WOULD PROPOSE ADDING THE WORD, UH, INCENTIVES SO THAT CITY STAFF IS EDUCATED AND HAS INCENTIVES.

AND SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND WE MAKE THAT EXPLICIT.

UH, NUMBER FOUR.

UM, OKAY.

SO THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF MY BIGGEST QUIBBLES WITH THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE HERE.

UM, THE, A KEY PIECE OF THIS, I'M LOOKING IN COLUMN TWO, THE PROPOSED ADAPTED OR RESPONSIVE CORNERSTONE.

AND THE FINAL LINE OF THE LEAD IN PARAGRAPH IS THAT TARGETS ARE BEING MET.

WELL, TARGETS HAVEN'T BEEN SET.

SO I MEAN, WE'VE GOT ONE BIG TARGET CARBON NEUTRALITY BY 2030, BUT I THINK WE NEED FOUR A FROM COLUMN ONE, WHICH IS WHAT WE PROPOSED, ESTABLISH AN ANNUAL GHG EMISSIONS BUDGET THAT ENCOMPASSES ALL CITY RUN AND CITY CONTROLLED ACTIVITIES, INCLUDING BUILDING INFRASTRUCTURE, INFRASTRUCTURE, CONSTRUCTION, REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE, PUBLIC AND PRIVATE.

WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND HOW, WHAT, WHAT IS THE SCOPE OF THE EMISSIONS THAT WE NEED TO REDUCE BETWEEN NOW AND 2030.

WE HAVE THOSE NUMBERS.

WE, WE KNOW WHAT THEY ARE, BUT WE HAVE NOT TRANSLATED THOSE INTO AN EMISSIONS BUDGET FOR THE CITY.

THOSE ARE TARGETS.

WE CANNOT SHOW THINGS ON A, ON A DASHBOARD.

WE CAN'T EVALUATE WHETHER TARGETS ARE BEING MET IF WE HAVEN'T SET THEM.

SO THAT STEP, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, IS MISSING AND NEEDS TO BE REINSERTED.

SECONDED.

AND, UH, AS MUCH AS WE CAN LEAVE, LEAVE THIS HIGHER LEVEL SO THAT WE CAN BOTH TRACK OUR PROGRESS, WHICH I DE DEFINITELY AGREE WITH, BUT ALSO ALLOW FOR THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO COUNT FOR EVERY POUND OF CARBON.

COUNT, DAVE.

I, I, IN GENERAL, I, I AGREE WITH THAT SENTIMENT, EXCEPT FOR ON, UH, THE PRIVATE SIDE, RIGHT? THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH THE CITY CAN REALLY DO ON THE PRIVATE SIDE, CITY RUN AND CITY CONTROLLED.

OH, SORRY.

UH, I APOLOGIZE IF I MISSED THAT.

UH, I WAS LOOKING AT, AT THE END OF, END OF MAY.

IT, I MISSED IT.

UM, I, AGAIN, PRI IF IT'S PRIVATE, YOU KNOW, I, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S IT'S THEIR EQUIPMENT OR THEIR PROCEDURE.

I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE IT'S A SMALL POINT.

MAYBE IT'S, I'M JUST, UM, MISUNDERSTANDING, SO I APOLOGIZE IF I MISUNDERSTOOD.

BUT, UH, JUST YEAH, AS MUCH AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE, WE CAN TRY AND STAY AWAY FROM ANYTHING THAT'S OUT OF OUR CONTROL.

UM, SO, UH, BUT AS LONG AS I, THE ONLY OTHER COMMENT I WOULD HAVE JUST THERE IS I THINK WITH, WITH GHG EMISSION TRACKING, IT'S REALLY HARD TO GET SUPER GRANULAR

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JUST, IT'S JUST IMPOSSIBLE.

UM, AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE ARE A CITY OF 60 SOMETHING THOUSAND PEOPLE, AND WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA WORK DILIGENTLY TO REDUCE OUR CARBON OFFS, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR CARBON EMISSIONS.

UH, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE A PRETTY TINY PIECE OF THE PIE.

AND, AND REALLY THE, THE, TO ME, THE WHAT THIS POLICY, UH, WHAT OUR POLICY GOALS HERE ARE REALLY JUST TO BE AN EXAMPLE.

IF WE CAN SHOW THAT OTHER CITIES CAN DO THIS, WE, WE ARE GONNA JOIN OUR OTHER REGIONAL CITIES SHOW CALIFORNIA SHOW THE WORLD THAT WE CAN DO THIS IN A WAY THAT'S, YOU KNOW, BENEFICIAL TO OUR RESIDENTS.

BUT I JUST DON'T, YEAH.

I JUST, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN REALLY EVER ACCOUNT FOR EVERY LAST POUND OF CARBON THAT WE'RE EMITTING.

UM, SO, SORRY, THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT, YEAH.

COUNCIL MEMBER SCH SHRIMPS.

UH, AGAIN, UM, THINGS GETTING A LITTLE CONFOUNDED.

'CAUSE EVEN IN, UH, STATEMENT THREE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, WORK PLANS AND, UM, LEADERSHIP ACTIVITIES AND LIKE THAT.

SO I, I THINK IF WE CAN KEEP THREE TO CULTURE AND FOUR TO ACTUAL, UM, UH, WE'RE GETTING NOW IN MONITORING AND THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PROGRAMS. AND I THINK FOUR A, THE ORIGINAL ONE THAT WAS, UH, BY MS. BAKER OVER THERE IS, I THINK THAT VERY CLEARLY STATES THAT WE'RE WORKING ON THE CITY, WHAT THE CITY CAN DO BY THE CITY, FOR THE CITY, NOT THE CITIZENS.

AND SO I THINK THAT WHAT THIS SETS UP RIGHT HERE, THE, THE STATEMENT A THAT'S IN COLUMN ONE, UM, REALLY SAYS WE'RE GONNA TAKE ACTIONS OURSELVES FOR THE CITY TO TAKE.

UM, BUT IT'S REALLY UP TO THE CITIZENS TO FOLLOW.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE REALLY WANNA SEPARATE OUT, DO WE AT THIS POINT REALLY WANNA SAY THE CITY, WE'RE GONNA DO WHAT WE CAN AS A CITY? BECAUSE WHEN IT COMES TO THE CARBON NEUTRALITY THAT'S BEING MEASURED, THAT'S THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT IS TALKING ABOUT CITYWIDE NOT CITY GOVERNMENT FUNCTIONS.

SO ARE WE GOING AFTER CITY GOVERNMENT AND WHAT CITY GOVERNMENT CAN DO? OR ARE WE ACTUALLY GOING TO TRY AND SAY CITYWIDE WHAT WE CAN DO? 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW, ONE OF THE ISSUES I HAVE WITH THIS WHOLE DOCUMENT IS, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE NARROWING IT RIGHT DOWN TO WHAT THE CITY AND WHAT CITY ALONE CAN DO.

AND IT'S SORT OF LIKE WE'RE LEAVING THE CITIZENS SORT OF LIKE BEHIND.

SO THAT'S ONE OF MY WHOLE ISSUES WITH THIS WHOLE DOCUMENT, AND IT'S RIGHT HERE, UM, IN THIS IN NUMBER FOUR.

SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR ON, ARE WE AFTER CARBON NEUTRALITY FOR THE CITY OR CITY GOVERNMENT OR FOR THE ENTIRE CITY, INCLUDING THE CITIZENS? WHAT'S OUR GOAL HERE? BECAUSE THAT THIS STATEMENT WILL TELL US WHAT THAT GOAL IS, HOW STATED? UM, BOTH.

MAKING SURE THAT THE CITY'S PART OF IT IS VERY CLEAR, BUT NOW WE'RE SORT OF MISSING WHAT THE COMMUNITY'S PART IS.

I MEAN, MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT'S BOTH, WHICH IS NOT ENTIRELY CLEAR IN WITHOUT A THOROUGH READ OF THE DOCUMENT.

I DO THINK NUMBER A IS VERY CLEAR AND HALF POPULAR CURRENTLY WITH THE COMMISSION MEMBERS.

I AM, I'D SAY, LEANING TOWARDS IT, ESPECIALLY LIKE WITH THE ABSENCE OF THE AIRPORT FUEL EMISSION BUDGET IN THE DOCUMENT.

LIKE THOSE KIND OF GAPS SHOW UP WHEN FOUR A BECOMES A CORNERSTONE ACTION.

AND SO TO ME, UM, THE REASON WHY THE, A SPECIFIC COUPLE SENTENCES ON A BUDGET THAT IS C FOCUS HELPS IDENTIFY THESE GAPS RATHER THAN LIKE, WHAT, HOW CAN THIS DOCUMENT ACHIEVE ITS VISION? I THINK IT'S LESS ABOUT HOW DO WE ACHIEVE THIS MASSIVE VISION AND MORE ABOUT HOW DO WE MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT FORGETTING VERY IMPORTANT THINGS LIKE THE AIRPORT.

I DO THINK FOUR A HELPS WITH THAT VERY CLEARLY.

UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S SOME APPREHENSION THAT LIKE, BECAUSE IT'S SPECIFIC TO CITY ACTIVITIES THAT A GENERAL READER MIGHT FORGET ABOUT THE COMMUNITY EFFORT THAT'S ALSO ENCOMPASSED IN THE DOCUMENT.

AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANNA PROPOSE AN ADDITIONAL BULLET POINT THAT SORT OF SPEAKS TO THE COMMUNITY EFFORT AND THEN THE CITY BUDGET EFFORT SO THAT THERE'S, THE, THE BOTH IS VERY CLEAR IN NUMBER FOUR.

SO I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE HIGHLIGHTING THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS IT, IS IT THIS OR THIS? AND SORT OF WE'RE ALL SAYING IT'S BOTH NUMBER A IS

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, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HAS PROPOSED LANGUAGE FOR THAT, BUT, UH, THANKS.

SAY I THINK IT'S A, I THINK IT'S, OH, I'M SORRY.

GO AHEAD.

NO, THAT'S ALRIGHT.

OH, I'LL BE QUICK.

UM, I WAS GONNA SAY, YEAH, MAYBE WE COULD JUST ADD A PARALLEL, A STATEMENT THAT SAYS SIMILARLY ESTABLISH, UM, A GOAL OR A, A TARGETS FOR THE COMMUNITY, SORT OF NON-CITY CONTROLLED.

AND, AND IN ALL CASES DO OUR BEST TO TRACK, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, YEAH, WE CAN'T ACCOUNT FOR EVERY POUND OF CARBON, BUT I LIKE THE IDEA OF ALSO HAVING THE TRACKING INCLUDE THE NON-CITY ELEMENT OF THAT.

SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU, I APOLOGIZE.

UM, I THINK THAT IT'S A, IT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT POINT BECAUSE YOU'RE DOING BOTH, RIGHT? YOU'RE LOOKING AT COMMUNITY ADMISSIONS AND CITY, UH, EMISSIONS THEMSELVES.

THREE FOUR A AS WRITTEN, UM, BY THE AD HOC IS ABOUT CITY OWNED AND OPERATED.

AND THAT'S TERRIFIC.

THAT'S SHOWING YOUR LEADERSHIP, UM, IN THE MONITORING IN THE PROPOSED REISE.

BULLET 0.2 IS ABOUT BOTH CITY RUN AND CONTROLLED AND COMMUNITY-WIDE ACTIVITIES.

WE CAN AMPLIFY THAT.

'CAUSE THE INTENT IS THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BOTH OF THOSE, IT IS BURIED AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT SENTENCE, WHICH MIGHT MAKE IT HARD TO SEE.

SO WE CAN SHIFT IT AROUND AND MOVE FOUR A INTO THE, UM, PROPOSED ACTION.

CAN I JUST ASK A CLARIFICATION ON FOUR A THOUGH, BECAUSE IT DOES SAY PUBLIC AND PRIVATE AT THE END OF THAT SENTENCE.

AND I JUST WANTED TO BE, 'CAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CITY OWNED AND OPERATED, BUT, UM, IT WAS BROUGHT UP THAT IT DOES SAY PUBLIC AND PRIVATE, OR DO WE JUST MEAN PUBLIC OR DO WE MEAN PRIVATE? YOU LIKE PRIVATE COMPANIES THAT TAKE UP, LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT WORK FOR THE CITY.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING AND INFRASTRUCTURE CONSTRUCTION THAT IS PRIVATE, BUT CITY CONTROLLED.

SO IN OTHER WORDS, WHEN THE CITY ISSUES A BUILDING PERMIT, THAT'S SOMETHING OVER WHICH THEY HAVE CONTROL.

SO OKAY.

AND THERE ARE EMISSIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT ACTIVITY AND THEY ARE SUBSTANTIAL SURE.

FRACTION OF, OF ALL THE EMBODIED CARBON THAT IS BEING EMITTED IN THIS TOWN.

AND, AND I THINK THAT YOU'VE DEFINITELY DEMONSTRATED HOW MUCH CARBON COMES FROM THE CONSTRUCTION, UH, ACTIVITY.

I JUST, I THINK IT GETS DIFFICULT TO, WHEN YOU'RE ISSUING A PERMIT TO, I DON'T, I, IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT IF I'M A CONTRACTOR AND I WANNA DO WORK IN THE CITY OF PETALUMA, HOW, HOW IS THAT ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM GONNA WORK ON ACCOUNTING FOR MY CARBON? THAT'S WHERE I FIND IT TO BE.

I'M NOT SAYING I'M, I'M OPPOSED, I JUST, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND THE, THE, THE FUNCTION OF THE, RIGHT NOW THERE ARE CARBON ACCOUNTING TOOLS THAT ALLOW THAT.

YEAH, YEAH.

I'M GOING THROUGH THAT RIGHT NOW.

ALL RIGHT.

I, I DON'T MEAN TO GET SO SPECIFIC.

WE, WE'LL HAVE A CUP OF COFFEE YOU'LL EXPLAIN TO ME AND EDUCATE ME ON HOW THIS ALL WORKS.

YEAH, THERE IS, THERE IS ALREADY TOOLS IN PLACE RIGHT NOW IF I, I'M, I'M IN THE PROCESS OF DOING A DU INTO MY GARAGE AND I HAVE TO GET TITLE 24 LONG DOCUMENTATION FROM PROFESSIONAL SERVICE ALL ABOUT ENERGY, UH, CONSERVATION.

AND THEN I'M GOING THROUGH ALSO CAL GREEN, WHICH IS ANOTHER WHOLE PROCESS OF CALCULATIONS FOR ENERGY EFFICIENCY IN CONSERVATIONS.

AND I'M BEING WHACKED OVER THE HEAD OF OVER MINUTIA AS TO WHICH SYSTEM TO USE.

SO IT'S ALREADY IN, IN PLACE AS FAR AS THE PR FOR, FOR BUILDING CODE AND ALL THAT, UM, THAT'S ALREADY IN PLACE.

I, I HEAR YOU.

I THINK, I THINK YOU'RE ACTUALLY MAKING MY POINT.

HAVING WORKED FOR CONTRACTORS, ALL THAT MINUTIAE SLOWS DOWN PROJECTS.

AND IT'S SLOW DOWN AND WE NEED TO ELIMINATE ALL THAT .

THAT'S, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, JUST IF WE NEED, IF WE WANNA INSTALL HEAT PUMPS EVERYWHERE, THE MORE, THE MORE OF THAT KIND OF STUFF WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH, THE LONGER THIS WILL WILL TAKE AND THE MORE EXPENSIVE IT'LL ALL BE.

AND THAT'S WHY I'M JUST, I HAVE A CRITICAL EYE FOR IT.

IT'S NOT, NOT TO DISCOUNT THE NEED FOR CARBON ACCOUNTING, IT'S THAT THE CONTRACTORS THAT ARE DOING THE WORK HAVE TO BE ON THE JOB DOING THE WORK.

AND THEY, AND, AND THE MORE REGULATORY FRAMEWORK WE, WE PUT IN PLACE THAT EVERY SECOND, RIGHT? LIKE, 'CAUSE I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN THERE FILLING OUT THESE KINDS OF FORMS ON PROJECTS.

EVERY SECOND COUNTS EVERY SECOND IS THE AMOUNT YOU'RE PAYING YOUR, YOUR STAFF TO WORK, RIGHT? AND WE THINK ABOUT HOW MUCH, LIKE JUST IS IT MORE IMPORTANT THAT WE'RE ACCOUNTING FOR THE CARBON OR IS IT MORE IMPORTANT THAT WE'RE INSTALLING THE HEAT PUMP? I WOULD SAY IT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAT WE'RE INSTALLING THE HEAT PUMP AND OUR EFFORTS IN MY, MY VIEW SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON MAKING IT EASIER AND LESS HAVING LESS REGULATORY FRAMEWORK.

BECAUSE IF THE STAFF IS DIRECTING US TO, TO, TO INSTALL THAT EQUIPMENT, THEN THEY, THEY SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON INSTALLING THAT EQUIPMENT.

RIGHT? JUST A JUST GIVE YOU A, A CLUE AS THE COST, UM, WHAT YOU'RE

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TALKING ABOUT.

JUST IN MY CASE, I'M LOOKING AT A $50,000 TOTAL PROJECT AND THE COST OF DOING THE REGULATORY, IF I HAD TO GO FULLY THROUGH, IS I DO IT, I'M DOING IT MYSELF AS MUCH AS I CAN, BUT GOING THROUGH SERVICE, IT'S OVER $20,000, UH, TO ADD ON JUST TO GET THE REGULATIONS ACCOUNTED FOR PROPERLY BY THE SPECIALISTS HERE IN TOWN.

SO THERE'S, YEAH.

SO IT IS A HUGE, SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN I'M TALKING ABOUT COSTS IS WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU ADD THIS ALL UP, IF WE'RE GOING THIS DIRECTION, UM, THERE ARE HUGE COSTS COMING AT US, UH, TO, TO MAKE THIS ALL HAPPEN.

AND THAT'S WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IT.

UM, IT SEEMS LIKE THIS HALF IS SOMEWHAT IN ALIGNMENT AGAINST THIS HALF.

I'M WONDERING IF COMMISSION MEMBER ASHLEY, PERHAPS AS SOME COMMENTARY, UM, I THINK WE'RE MISSING LANGUAGE AROUND SCOPE ONE, TWO AND THREE.

I GUESS IN MY READ OF A, I WAS READING IT AS SCOPE ONE AND TWO AND THE FEEDBACK OVER HERE IS THAT IT'S DEFINITELY SCOPE THREE IS INCLUDED IN THAT.

SO AT LEAST IF WE MAKE IT EXPLICIT WHEREVER WE SETTLE IT WOULD, THAT ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE WILL BE HELPFUL.

UM, I I WAS JUST GONNA SAY TWO THINGS IN THE INTEREST OF TIME.

UM, ONE IS THAT, UM, I THINK THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE TODAY IS SETTING EXPECTATIONS AND IT'S THE CITY'S JOB TO FIGURE IT OUT.

AND I THINK THAT THEY'VE REALLY COMBED THROUGH AND LIKE HAVE CLEARLY A VERY CLEAR PICTURE OF WHAT IT IS THAT LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ASKING FOR AND WHEN NOT, THEN THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO EXPLAIN.

I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW THEY'RE GONNA FIND SOLUTIONS TO EACH INDIVIDUAL PROBLEM TODAY.

BUT, UM, ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ON NUMBER FOUR RIGHT NOW AND IT'S 7 52 AND IF WE TAKE 15 MINUTES ON EACH OF THESE, WE'RE GONNA BE HERE FOR FIVE HOURS.

SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

AND THANK YOU BECAUSE I, THAT IS DEFINITELY TRUE.

WE, YOU KNOW, ERIC AND PATRICK AND I ARE HERE, BUT THERE'S A MUCH BIGGER TEAM THAT IS GONNA SOLVE OR BRAINSTORM THE RIGHT APPROACH TO SOME OF THESE.

'CAUSE IMMEDIATELY, YOU KNOW, WHAT I THINK I HEARD AND YOU SAY WAS LIKE EVERY BUILDING PERMIT THAT BE ISSUED, REGARDLESS IF IT'S FOR A CITY PROJECT OR A PRIVATE PROJECT, HAVING SOME SORT OF TARGETS.

AND WE'RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME LIMITATIONS WITH SOME OF THE STUFF WE CAN DO, AND WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE SET THAT UP SO THAT WE'RE NOT LEGALLY CHALLENGED.

OUR, OUR EFFORTS ARE GONNA GET THWARTED IN TERMS OF OUR TIMELINE.

IF WE START SETTING THINGS UP THAT THEN WE'RE LEGALLY CHALLENGED AND WE END UP GETTING WRAPPED UP IN, IN LEGAL BATTLES ALSO, IT'S NOT GONNA LET US DO THINGS.

SO I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT BECAUSE I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW WHERE THAT RIGHT BALANCE IS AND WE CAN UNDERSTAND THE INTENT AND INCLUDE THE INTENT, BUT THEN GO TALK WITH OUR BUILDING OFFICIAL, GO TALK WITH OUR LEGAL TEAM AND FIGURE OUT LET'S DO WHAT WE CAN, BUT LET'S ALSO NOT GET OURSELVES IN THAT.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

AND ESTABLISHING TARGETS MEANS THAT'S THE FIRST THING, RIGHT? IS LIKE WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE SHOOTING FOR AND HOW WE UNDERSTAND HOW WE'RE DOING TOWARDS THAT.

THAT'S A PROCESS THAT'S ALL GONNA HAVE TO BE FIGURED, FIGURED OUT.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, DAVE, TO SPEAK TO YOUR CONCERNS VERY REAL.

OBVIOUSLY DECARBONIZATION PROJECTS ARE NOT SOMETHING THE CITY WANTS TO GET IN THE WAY OF AND RATHER TO STREAMLINE.

SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S AT ALL AN OPPOSITION TO UNDERSTANDING THAT WE HAVE NEW NUMERICAL TARGETS TO SET AND TRACK PROGRESS TOWARDS AS BEST WE CAN.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME PERSON LIKE ERIC THAT DOES SOME DATA DUMP AND GETS THE COMMUNITY WIDE GHG EMISSION BUDGET.

I GUESS I'LL TRY AND SYNTHESIZE, UH, THE COMMENTARY.

IT SOUNDS LIKE REINSERTING A, EXCEPT PERHAPS DROPPING THE PUBLIC IN PRIVATE PART TOWARDS A COROLLARY COMMUNITY TYPE COMMENT WHERE THE SCOPE THREE, UM, BUDGET ACTIVITY COULD OCCUR AND LIMITING THE, UH, COMMENT A TO SCOPE ONE AND TWO EMISSIONS.

IS THAT, IS THAT I I DON'T, I DON'T THINK SO.

I MEAN, I DO, I THINK THE GOAL IS TO ACTUALLY HAVE THE CITY, YOU KNOW, KNOW TARGETS FOR CITY EMISSIONS AND THEN AN UNDERSTANDING OF COMMUNITY MISSIONS.

SO WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, SEE WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE AND THEN TRY AND ESTABLISH TARGETS FOR THEM.

YOU UM, AM I MISUNDERSTANDING WHEN YOU SAY SCOPE THREE? WELL, I, YES.

I MEAN THAT'S LIKE WHAT ALREADY IS OCCURRING.

IF YOU WERE TO GO TO THE COUNTY'S, YOU KNOW, RIGHT BUDGET TRACKER AND DASHBOARD, WE WOULD, IF WE WERE TO ADOPT THAT LANGUAGE, WE WOULD BE NO BETTER OFF THAN WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING IS MY EXPECTATION.

AND SO,

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LIKE WE DID THAT IN THE BLUEPRINT, YOU KNOW, AND HAVING THIS LANGUAGE THAT INCLUDES THE SCOPE THREE EMISSIONS.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT GETS US ANY BETTER OFF I OTHER THAN HAVING THAT ASPIRATIONAL GOAL BE AN ADDITIONAL BULLET POINT SO THAT THE GREATER MINDS CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT.

I GUESS I'M SPECIFICALLY INTERESTED IN MAKING SURE THAT THE BUDGET OF CITY CONTROLLED ACTIVITIES AND CITY ACTIVITIES IS SET AND MANAGED.

AND SO THAT TO ME IS WHAT'S MISSING AND WHAT IS AN A AND CAN BE ADDED BACK IN THE TOUGHER, MORE COMPLICATED THING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.

AND ALL AGREE IS LIKE VERY COMPLICATED IS SHOULD BE LEFT UP TO OTHER PEOPLE.

SO THAT'S AT LEAST HOW I SYNTHESIZED THE COMMENTARY WAS TO WHAT IS MISSING FROM FOUR IS SOME ASPECT OF A AND WHAT ELSE CAN WE ADD IN ADDITION TO THAT TO COVER THE COMMUNITY PIECE OF IT.

I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT, UH, SEPARATION.

'CAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST SEPARATING THE CITY, UM, GOALS AND TARGETS VERSUS, UH, THE CITYWIDE, UH, WITH CITIZENS GOALS AND TARGETS.

WE NEED TO DO BOTH, BUT I THINK AT THIS POINT, JUST TO SEPARATE THE TWO CONCEPTS AND I'D BE FINE WITH JUST LET THEM FIGURE OUT THE LANGUAGE TO DO THAT.

OH, I DISAGREE.

BUT YOU KNOW, I I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S KIND OF LIKE THIS, YOU KNOW, SONOMA WATER PRODUCES YOUR WATER BILL.

YOU KNOW, THEY'LL TELL YOU IF YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, WHAT TIER YOU'RE IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH WATER YOU'RE USING, AND THEN THEY LOOK AT THE WHOLE BIG PICTURE, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH WATER WE'RE USING AS A COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, AND I FEEL LIKE THE CITY IN THIS CONTEXT COULD, COULD GIVE CITIZENS INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, LIKE, ARE YOU A ENERGY HAWK, , YOU KNOW, LIKE, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU, IS YOUR BUILDING ACTIVITY PRODUCING EXTRAORDINARY EMISSIONS? YOU KNOW, AND BUT I DON'T THINK ANY OF THOSE THINGS COME OUT IN A WAY THAT'S USEFUL TO PEOPLE UNTIL WE ACTUALLY START TO COUNT OR TRY AND QUANTIFY THOSE NUMBERS AND SO PEOPLE CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY'RE COMING OUT.

WELL, AND AND AGAIN, I THINK EVERYBODY HERE HAS AFFIRMED THAT YES, OUR 2030 GOAL ENCOMPASSES ALL THE ACTIVITIES OF THIS TOWN.

WHETHER IT'S HAPPENING AT A PRIVATE RESIDENT LEVEL OR HAPPENING AS A RESULT OF DIRECT CITY ACTIVITIES.

WELL, IF WE DON'T UNDERSTAND ALL THAT ALL WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE NUMBERS ARE COMING FROM, THEN THE TRACKING IS MEANINGLESS.

WE HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL OF IT AND WE HAVE TO TRACK ALL OF IT AS BEST WE CAN.

BUT I, I THINK THAT THE DISTINCTION IS THAT THE CITY CAN'T CONTROL THE EMISSIONS, YOU KNOW, BY THE COMMUNITY.

SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S REALLY MONITORING AND KIND OF CREATING A FEEDBACK MECHANISM SO THAT IT'S MORE, MORE CLEAR TO THE COMMUNITY.

COMMUNITY IS GONNA HAVE TO STEP UP TO MEET THOSE GOALS, YOU KNOW? UM, BUT IF WE, IF THE CITY DOESN'T TRACK 'EM, I DON'T THINK ANYONE WILL, YOU KNOW, UM, WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO RESOLVE THIS FOR YOU TONIGHT, BUT I THINK YOU'VE PROBABLY HEARD ALL THE OPINIONS.

WE SHOULD, YEAH, WE SHOULD PROBABLY MOVE ON.

MESSAGE? OKAY, UH, NUMBER SIX.

HOPEFULLY THAT WAS SEMI CLEAR AND I THINK, UH, IN THE INTEREST OF TRYING TO GET THIS SOMEWHAT, UM, PASSED THAT THERE WAS NO, UH, DISSENTING VOICES ON NUMBER FOUR.

UM, SO I GUESS WE'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.

UM, NUMBER FIVE STARTS ON THE OFFSET POLICY AND DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY PARTICULAR QUALMS ABOUT NUMBER FIVE? NOT QUALMS, BUT JUST A COUPLE OF SHORT COMMENTS.

I FELT THAT THIS BELONGED IT IN THE FIRST INTENT GROUP.

MAYBE IT IS.

IS IT IN THE FIRST INTENT GROUP? OH YEAH, IT IS.

NEVERMIND THAT COMMENT.

UM, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE SCOPE OF PUBLIC EDUCATION AND AWARENESS ACTIVITIES A LITTLE BROADER, UM, AS SHOWN IN NUMBER SEVEN BELOW.

AND I THINK SOME OF THESE ACTIVITIES NEED TO START THIS YEAR.

WE'RE SHOWING THE SOONEST ONE IS, UM, JANUARY 1ST, 2026.

SO I LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING IN THIS GROUP TARGETED FOR THE CURRENT YEAR.

COULD YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT LIKE LANGUAGE PROPOSAL TO MODIFY NUMBER FIVE

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WAS THAT COMMENT ON THE NEW SIX? IT'S THE OLD, WELL, IT'S OUR, I'M USING THE NUMBERS IN COLUMN.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

OH, IT IS CONFUSING .

YEAH, IT IS CONFUSING WITH, WITH TWO SETS OF NUMBERS.

IT'S A LITTLE CHALLENGING.

SO BECAUSE THE FIRST COLUMN KIND OF GOES SEQUENTIALLY AND THAT'S SORT OF THE LINE NUMBER IS THE ONE IN COLUMN ONE, LET'S, LET'S USE THOSE.

OKAY, GREAT.

SO I WAS JUST MAKING SURE NO ONE HAD ANY ISSUES WITH COLUMN B NUMBER FIVE THAT JUST GOT TUCKED IN THERE AND ADDED AS NUMBER FIVE AND EVERYONE IS HAPPY WITH THAT ONE.

OKAY, GREAT.

UH, AND THEN YOUR COMMENT WAS MORE ABOUT THE TIMELINE OF THE ORIGINAL NUMBER FIVE, AND I THINK THAT FEEDBACK IS CLEAR AND WE COULD MOVE ON TO COLUMN ONE.

UH, IN COLUMN B, UM, THE STATEMENT IS BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, SO THAT FOLKS CAN ACCESS, I DON'T FEEL AS PROACTIVE ENOUGH.

I, I THINK WE REALLY WANTED TO EXPRESS SOMETHING THAT WAS GOING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY, NOT SOMETHING PASSIVELY AVAILABLE.

SO, AND THAT'S PROBABLY CAPTURED, IT'S MORE OF A TONE THAN ANYTHING.

UM, I, I THINK THIS SENTIMENT IS TOTALLY, I AGREE.

I THINK THIS IS JUST HAPPENING.

THIS, THIS EFFORT IS HAPPENING IN A REGIONAL AND STATE BASIS.

UM, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE ELSE HAS CAUGHT THAT, BUT, UH, OBVIOUSLY IT'S SUPER IMPORTANT THAT, THAT, THAT, UM, PROACTIVE ENGAGEMENT HAPPENED.

I THINK WE'D DEFINITELY BE, WE'RE PART OF IT, BUT I, I THINK WE'RE JUST A PIECE OF A REGIONAL PIE THERE.

I DON'T KNOW IF A STAFF HAS ANY COMMENT, BUT, UM, THAT'S BEEN MY, JUST FROM EVERYTHING I'M READING, LIKE ALL THE NEW, LIKE THE ENERGY CONCIERGE, UH, AND THE DIFFERENT TRAINING CONTRACTOR TRAINING PROGRAMS THAT ARE OUT THERE AND EVERYTHING, JUST, UM, YEAH, NOT A BIG DEAL.

NOT A HUGE QUIBBLE.

IF WE WANNA CHANGE THE LANGUAGE THOUGH, IS, IS THERE A PROPOSAL TO CHANGE COLUMN B NUMBER SEVEN? ORIGINAL NUMBER SIX.

I GUESS I'LL, UH, AGAIN, TRY AND ADVOCATE FOR THE COUNTY OF SONOMA TO BE NAMED AS A STAKEHOLDER.

IS ANYONE OPPOSED TO THAT? OKAY.

TELL YOUR STATE, YOUR FEDERAL.

SO YEAH, BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL TRYING TO DO THE SAME THING.

UH, OKAY, NOW WE'RE ONTO, UH, ORIGINAL NUMBER SEVEN.

UH, THE NEW NUMBER EIGHT LOOKS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME.

YEAH, WE COULD SKIP THAT ONE.

WOOHOO.

, UM, COOKING NOW AND I GUESS THE ORIGINAL NUMBER EIGHT IS REMOVED.

IS EVERYONE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? OKAY.

BACK TO BACK TO NUMBER SEVEN ORIGINAL.

JUST, JUST ON THAT ONE.

UM, THE NUMBER EIGHT, IT SAYS, UM, ESPECIALLY FOCUSED ON REDUCTION OF CONSUMPTION, UH, BASED EMISSIONS.

AND, UM, SO THAT'S JUST GETTING AWARENESS.

SO ARE WE JUST GETTING, IS THIS ALL ABOUT GETTING AWARENESS OUT THERE ON EVERYTHING OR, OR ARE WE JUST TALKING SPECIFICALLY CONSUMPTION BASED EMISSIONS AS, AS PART OF A, A SEPARATE THING COMPARED TO O OVERALL AWARENESS? WHY ARE WE SPOT, WE'RE SPOTLIGHTING IT FOR A REASON HERE, SO I DON'T MIND IF WE SPOTLIGHT IT FOR A REASON, BUT IT'S THE ONLY PLACE, SORRY.

IT'S THE ONLY CASE THAT WE'RE REALLY ADDRESSING CONSUMPTION MISSIONS SPECIFICALLY THROUGH THIS COMMUNITY AWARENESS.

YEAH, I WOULD THIS PROJECT, I WOULD AGREE.

AND I THINK IT'S, IT'S WHERE THE COMMUNITY CAN HAVE THE MOST IMPACT, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE BIGGEST NUMBER.

LIKE THE, THE COMMUNITY CAN'T REALLY AFFECT HOW MANY EVS ARE CREATED, YOU KNOW, BY, BY LARGER FORCES, RIGHT? LIKE THERE'S JUST, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COMMUNITY CAN, CAN REALLY GET THEIR HANDS ON.

I THINK, RIGHT? YEAH.

WE NEED TO, JOHN, I JUST SUGGEST THAT THE, UM, I, I AGREE WITH THE CONSUMPTION PART.

I, I WOULD LIKE THAT, BUT I THINK THE WORD CONSUMPTION NEEDS TO BE EXPANDED HERE OR SOMETHING BECAUSE THE WORD CONSUMPTION GETS LOST IN THE MIDDLE HERE.

SO EITHER UPFRONT UP BACK, BUT SOMETHING MORE SURROUNDING DEFINING IT, UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE SO THAT IT'S REALLY UPFRONT IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANT, LET'S, LET'S REALLY MAKE SURE THAT IT'S SEEN

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HERE.

'CAUSE OTHERWISE IT'S LOST.

'CAUSE CONSUMPTION IS LIKE, OH, IT'S AN ADD-ON CAN, CAN WE, WE ADD IN SCOPE THREE EMISSIONS, I THINK, IS THAT YOU GOT IT? OKAY.

IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE THE LINE.

UH, ORIGINAL AND NEW.

NUMBER NINE.

MY ONLY COMMENT IS IN THE INTENT COLUMN.

UM, THERE'S A STATEMENT THAT REMOVE ACTIONS RELATED JOBS, HOUSING BALANCE.

I UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE THAT IT'S A REGIONAL THING AND, BUT I DO THINK THAT AT A MINIMUM WE SHOULD BE TRACKING AND REPORTING JOBS, HOUSING BALANCE, BECAUSE THE GOAL IS TO INFLUENCE THAT EVEN THOUGH, OBVIOUSLY AGAIN, WE DON'T CONTROL IT, BUT THAT A LOT OF THE WORK AROUND TRANSPORTATION IS GOING, IS TIED INTIMATELY TO THAT ISSUE.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT INCLUDED IN THE TRACKING.

UM, SORT OF HIGHER LEVEL BULLETS.

I THINK WE'RE ON TO, UH, NUMBER 10 OR COLUMN ONE, NUMBER 10, COMPLETE STREETS PLAN.

I GUESS MY, UM, GOING BACK TO THE LAST MEETING I HAD A QUESTION AROUND IF COMPLETE STREETS IS THE OVERALL MACRO UMBRELLA CONCEPT, WHICH WE WANNA FOLD.

I I, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE UMBRELLA POLICY IS COMPLETE STREETS.

SO, UM, YEAH, IT'S OKAY.

UH, YEAH, JUST ON NUMBER ORIGINAL 10, NOW 11.

UM, WHAT'S MISSING FROM THERE IS, UM, SOME OF THE, THE PURPOSE, UH, OF WHAT WE ARE ACTUALLY TRYING TO ACHIEVE, I THINK NEEDS TO BE ADDED IN.

AND THAT IS, UH, REDUCING TOTAL VMT VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED BY RESIDENTS AND WORKERS.

THAT THAT'S, WE WANNA ACHIEVE THAT AND SET THAT UP AS A TARGET.

AND THIS IS MAYBE THE PLACE TO DO IT.

'CAUSE WE NEED TO BEEF UP OUR TRANSPORTATION, ESPECIALLY AMONGST OUR CITIZENS, TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE OOMPH BEHIND WHAT WE WANT THEM TO DO.

SO I THINK IF WE'RE GONNA DO COMPLETE STREETS IMPROVEMENTS, THE PURPOSE BEHIND ALL THAT IS TO CHANGE THE MODALITY OF TRAVEL AND REDUCING VMT TOTAL.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TRACK.

AND I THINK THAT THAT HAS TO BE ONE OF OUR MAJOR GOALS.

'CAUSE THAT'S, IF IT'S TRANSPORTATION, IF IT'S CARS IS, IS THERE NUMBER ONE 75% OF OUR EMISSIONS, THEN WE NEED TO CUT THAT IN HALF AND WE NEED TO SET UP A SPECIFIC TARGET, AND THIS IS WHERE YOU WOULD PUT IT.

WE WANNA, THAT, THAT'S OUR TARGET REDUCE CITIZEN BMT TOTAL.

I MEAN, I LIKE THAT PROPOSAL.

PROPOSAL.

I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA TO, TO TALK ABOUT THE INTENT.

I THINK THERE WAS A COUPLE PIECES HERE THAT WERE IN THE LEFT, NUMBER 10 THAT ARE NOT IN 11 THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY TALK ABOUT.

UM, UM, SO ONE, SO THE, A BUILD OUT THE ACTIVE MOBILITY NETWORK, UM, YOU KNOW, IS, IS REALLY CREATING A TARGET THERE.

YOU KNOW, HOW MANY MILES OF, UM, CONNECTED, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK, I THINK BRINGING SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE IN TERMS OF A TARGET.

UM, AND THEN, UM, C WAS REALLY BRINGING IN AN EQUITY FOCUS, YOU KNOW, THAT, UM, THAT THE, THE DAC AREAS, UM, IN TOWN ARE THE ONES THAT ARE MOST IMPACTED, UM, GENERALLY SPEAKING, UM, WITH LACK OF, YOU KNOW, ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION OPPORTUNITIES AND ALSO WITH URBAN HEAT ISLAND ISSUES AND ALSO WITH FLOODING ISSUES.

AND SO THIS IS A PLACE WHERE WE COULD REALLY KIND OF WALK THE WALK ON OUR EQUITY, UM, MEASURES, IS TO REALLY FOCUS THE IMPLEMENTATION OF COMPLETE STREETS, KIND OF ON OUR WORST STREETS IN OUR, UH, IN OUR DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES.

SO THAT, I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE, VERY NICE TO INCLUDE THAT IN THIS, IN THE LANGUAGE.

UM, AND THEN THE OTHER PIECE WAS, THAT WAS LEFT OUT WAS KIND OF SETTING A GOAL FOR REDUCTION IN PAVING AND IMPERVIOUS SURFACES.

AND, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS LEFT OUT INTENTIONALLY OR JUST DIDN'T FEEL LIKE IT WAS IMPORTANT OR, SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS.

YEAH, I, I HAD A SIMILAR QUESTION, WHICH IS, I, I SORT OF SUSPECTED THAT YOU INTENDED THE REWRITE OF THIS TO ENCOMPASS A THROUGH G AS WE HAD DRAFTED THEM.

AND MAYBE THAT'S JUST SORT OF THE SHORT VERSION.

BUT, UM, LIKE ANNE, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT THE THINGS THAT WE ENUMERATED THERE ARE SOMEHOW WRAPPED INTO THOSE,

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WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY INTEND TO INCLUDE THEM IN THE REWRITE.

SO JUST TO, JUST TO MAKE THAT CLEAR, UM, WE DID INTEND TO TAKE THOSE ELEMENTS, RIGHT? THE TARGETS YOU SET FOR, UM, ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION STREETS, THE REDUCTION IN PAVING AND IMPERVIOUS SERVICE, AND WRAP THAT INTO THE ACTION PLANS THEMSELVES, RIGHT? SO THE, AS ACTIONS THEMSELVES, BUT NOT RAISING THEM TO THE CORNERSTONE LEVEL.

SO MAKING SURE THAT ALL THE COMPLETE STREETS, WHETHER THEY'RE SPEED REDUCTION, SAFETY PLAN, A TP, ALL THE GENERAL PLAN WORK AROUND COMPLETE STREETS AND THE, UM, GUIDELINES ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE, THOSE WOULD BE PRIORITIES.

AND THEN THOSE OTHER COMPONENTS, WHICH ARE TARGET SETTING FOR IMPERVIOUS SERVICE, FALL INTO THE ACTION PLAN THEMSELVES.

SO NOT TO, NOT TO NOT PUT THEM IN THE PLAN, BUT TO MOVE THEM INTO THE, THE ACTION PLANS THEMSELVES AS SPECIFIC ACTIONS.

TIME FOR A RECESS, , I THINK LET'S GET THROUGH HALFWAY THROUGH THE LIST.

MAYBE WE'RE CLOSE TO HALFWAY, SO, UM, LET'S KNOCK OUT THE NEXT COUPLE.

THERE'S, IS THERE 30, RIGHT? OR 27? 27.

SO LET'S GET THROUGH 15 AND THEN WE COULD MAYBE TAKE A, YEAH.

CAN I JUST ASK A QUICK QUESTION? MM-HMM.

SO IS IT THE COMMISSION'S, UM, DESIRE TO SEE THOSE THINGS BACK ADDED IN? 'CAUSE I THINK WE MAYBE DIDN'T FINISH IT, JUST SO I UNDERSTAND IT.

AS LONG AS THEY'RE IN THE ACTION PLAN, I'M, I'M COOL WITH IT.

YEAH, THAT, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I MEANT, ERIC.

I DIDN'T EXPRESS IT AS WELL AS YOU DID, BUT YEAH, I, I JUST WANT THEM TO SHOW UP AS THINGS THAT HAPPEN.

, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO ACCEPT PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS STAGE BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR SOME TIME AND THEN OTHERWISE WE MIGHT LOSE EVERYBODY ELSE.

IT'S UP TO YOU.

YEAH, SURE, PLEASE.

YEAH, I, UH, LET ME , UM, YEAH, I, AT THIS POINT I WILL OPEN, UM, WHERE'S MY COMMENTARY HERE? OKAY.

THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM.

PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY DONE SO, PLEASE FILL OUT A FEE SPEAKER CARD AND BRING IT TO THE CLERK.

IT GOOD OR NOT TO DO THIS? ALRIGHT, IS IT NECESSARY? I'M NOT A CLIMATE DENIER.

I HAVE A SPEAKER CARD FOR PAUL MAGA.

IS THIS GONNA BE THE ONLY, YOU HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE REST OF THIS EVENING? UH, I HAD A PUBLIC COMMENT FOR NED ORIT, BUT I, UH, DWAYNE, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE, UM, FILL OUT A CARD AND YOU WOULD NOW WOULD BE YOUR TIME TO COMMENT.

NOT, NOT LATER, CORRECT.

YEAH, THERE IS GENERALLY ONLY ONE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD DURING, UM, NEW BUSINESS.

I APPRECIATE HOW DETAILED YOU ARE GOING THROUGH THIS.

I MEAN, IT'S A LONG TIME, SO I APPRECIATE YOU ALSO TAKING YOUR COMMENT.

UM, WANT YOU TO CONSIDER THAT IN ANY OF THESE THINGS.

CLEARLY YOU WANT TO DO, READY, AIM, FIRE, NOT, YOU KNOW, READY, FIRE, AIM.

AND SO THE IDEA IS YOU WANNA BE RIGHT ON WHAT YOUR GOALS CAN BE AND SHOULD BE.

AND SO TO THAT, YOU HAVE TO LOOK OUT MAYBE PERHAPS A LITTLE BROADER THAN YOU HAVE.

WE HAVE SET A GOAL HERE IN PETALUMA THAT IS JUST KIND OF OFF THE CHARTS WITH RESPECT TO THE REST OF THE WORLD.

JUST YESTERDAY AFTER SERIOUS FARMER PROTESTS IN FRANCE, GERMANY, SPAIN, PORTUGAL, ITALY, POLAND, AND THE NETHERLANDS, BELGIUM AND MORE EU LEADERS ANNOUNCED CONCESSIONS TO LIGHTEN THE BURDEN OF GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTIONS ON THOSE FARMERS WHILE SETTING GOALS FOR A 55% REDUCTION OF GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS BY 2030.

AND CARBON NEUTRALITY, HOWEVER, THAT MIGHT BE DEFINED BY THE YEAR 2050 PETALUMA'S GOAL TO TRY TO GET TO CARBON NEUTRALITY.

HOWEVER, THAT MIGHT BE DEFINED BY 2030 IS 20 YEARS EARLIER.

AND THAT SEEMS TO BE PRETTY UNNECESSARY.

AND I'M THINKING HERE, SEVEN YEARS FROM TODAY, UNREALISTIC.

LOOK, THE GOAL LACKS INACCURATE DEFINITION.

HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS CARBON NEUTRALITY? WELL, HOW DO YOU DEFINE THAT? IS IT DEFINED? IS IT IN YOUR PLANS? DID I JUST MISS IT? BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, PETALUMA AT 42 SQUARE MILES IS A TINY SPECK IN THIS WORLD.

I MEAN, WHAT WE DO AS A CITY, WHAT WE DO OR DON'T DO, IS SIMPLY OVERCOME BY WHAT THE REST OF THE WORLD DOES OR DOESN'T DO.

AND SO IN ALL OF THIS, WE UNDERSTAND, SHOULD WE BE ENERGY EFFICIENT? YES.

IS IT A GOOD IDEA TO THINK THROUGH WHAT GETS US ENERGY EFFICIENT? YOU BET FOR THINGS, YOU HAVE DIRECT CONTROL OVER CITY ACTIVITIES AND ALL THE REST.

COOL.

WITH RESPECT TO PRIVATE LIFE HERE IN PETALUMA, YOU CAN'T BE BASING OUR FREEDOMS AND WHAT WE HAVE TO DO WITH RESPECT TO WHAT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH TO PAY AN EXTRA $25,000 JUST TO MAKE UP SOME CALCULATIONS TO MAKE AN IMPROVEMENT.

THIS IS CROSSING THE LINE IN OUR FREEDOM.

AND YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, IS

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I RECOGNIZE THERE'S EVIDENCE OF TEMPERATURE RISE AND, AND THERE'S, YOU KNOW, ICE SHEETS THAT ARE MELTING AND ALL THE REST.

BUT THERE ARE REAL PROBLEMS AND REAL EVIDENCE SHOWING YOU PROBLEMS IN THESE PROJECTIONS THAT EVERYONE'S TRYING TO BASE THESE DECISIONS ON.

AND YOU TAKE A LOOK, I GAVE YOU EVIDENCE THAT'S IN A TRIAL RIGHT NOW.

AND THIS MYOPIC FOCUS ON JUST COUNTING CARBON.

AND CO2 IS WALKING YOU INTO THE PATH OF CARBON TAXES, CAP AND TRADE.

THESE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ACTUAL ENERGY EFFICIENCY.

THIS IS ALL ABOUT CONTROL OF THE POPULATION.

YOU DON'T REALIZE THAT YOU'RE STEPPING DOWN A PATH OF AGENDA 2030 JUST BY TRYING TO MAKE THIS AND TAKE AWAY PEOPLE'S FREEDOM AND FORCE THEM TO GO INTO DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.

IT'S GREAT TO PROVIDE EDUCATION, IT'S GREAT TO PROVIDE INCENTIVES THAT'S VERY DIFFERENT THAN WE'RE THE CARBON POLICE.

WE'RE GONNA COUNT ACTUALLY EVERYTHING YOU DO, AND WE'RE GONNA SHUT YOU DOWN IF YOU DO WHAT WE DON'T WANT YOU TO DO.

THAT'S NOT AMERICA.

AND THAT IS COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THESE MODELS, THESE PROJECTIONS, MR. GAVIN, YOUR TIME IS UP, OKAY? THEY'VE BEEN DEBUNKED IN COURT AND I GAVE YOU ALL THAT EVIDENCE.

ALL RIGHT, SO THE A YOU HAVE, THANK YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL.

THE NEXT SPEAKER CA CARD I HAVE IS FOR DWAYNE BELLINGER.

UH, GOOD EVENING.

UM, THE, UH, LAST WORDS OF OUR, MY PREVIOUS, UH, SPEAKER HERE WAS, UH, DEBUNKED IN COURT.

AND I, I FIND THAT, UH, ANYBODY WHO'D SUGGEST THAT, UH, WE MAKE OUR DECISIONS ABOUT SCIENCE BY ASKING SOME JUDGE WHAT THE DECISION IS, ESPECIALLY IN WHAT I BELIEVE WOULD BE A, UM, A SLANDER CASE.

I MEAN, IS, IS, IS IT'S REMINISCENT OF THE OLD TOBACCO PEOPLE GOING AROUND THE SHILLS FOR TOBACCO COMPANIES GOING AROUND AND SAYING, OH, THERE'S NO EVIDENCE, THERE'S CANCER IN TOBACCO.

UH, USE, UM, DEBUNKED IN COURT.

UM, I, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT, UH, IF WE WANNA DETERMINE WHETHER WE GOT A CLIMATE PROBLEM, UH, JUST LISTEN TO ME.

UH, WHEN I FIRST CAME TO CALIF, UH, TO PETALUMA, UH, WHEN IT'S A YOUNG MAN, THERE WERE FROGS MAKING SO MUCH RACKET BECAUSE THEY'RE MATING CALLS.

THERE'S JUST SO MUCH RACKET AS TO HARD TO BELIEVE.

NOW, THERE'S A FEW FROGS REMAINING, BUT THE ANIMALS THAT HAVE TAKEN OVER THE SAME TERRITORY ARE LIZARDS.

NOW IF THAT DOESN'T SAY SOMETHING TO YOU, NOW, IT MIGHT BE THE CASE THAT WE HAVE PERIODIC FROGS, LIZARDS, FROGS, LIZARDS.

UH, I MAY NOT KNOW THAT I, I'M NOT A SCIENTIST ALL THAT, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME WHEN I GO OUT AND LOOK AT THE LIZARDS, UH, THAT, THAT SOME MESSAGE OF CLIMATE CHANGE IS, IS CLEARLY BEING SAID.

AND I KNOW THAT OUR SUBSIDIES TO, TO AUTOMOBILE USE IS, HAS PERVERTED OUR WHOLE ECONOMY.

UM, IT'S JUST OUTRAGEOUS THE WAY, THE WAY, UM, WELL, TO THE EXTENT THAT WE DON'T TAX GASOLINE, IT GIVES MORE MONEY TO THE OIL COMPANIES.

AND ONE OF THE BIGGEST OIL COMPANIES IS A PART OF THE WORLD WHERE THEY FINANCE TERRORISTS UNDERSTAND THAT BY NOT TAXING GASOLINE, EVEN IF THERE WAS NO CLIMATE DISASTER, WE SHOULD TAX GASOLINE TO PREVENT ITS, UH, THE MONEY BEING ACCUMULATED BY THE, THE SALES OF IT, FROM DESTROYING THE WORLD, FROM TERRORIZING THE REST OF US.

UM, I, I WANTED TO SAY THOUGH, I, I WAS HOPING YOU WOULD GET TO THE DIFFERENT POINTS, UM, TO BE MORE TO WHAT WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT HERE.

UM, EV CHARGING, UM, EV VEHICLES, UM, ARE BIGGER, HEAVIER, THEY CREATE MORE DUST FROM THEIR TIRES.

THEY'RE DESTRUCTIVE FOR PEOPLE ON FOOT.

WE SHOULD BE DISCOURAGING 'EM AT LEAST CHARGE THE FULL COST OF BOTH PARKING AND CHARGING.

EV VEHICLES CHARGE TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE USING THEM.

UH, DESIGN A SOCIETY THAT DOESN'T NEED THEM.

UH, VERY FEW MUST CHARGE BICYCLES.

UM, IT SAYS HERE, YOU SHOULD BE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH PG AND E FOR ELECTRICITY.

I'D LIKE IT TO SPECIFY THAT YOU'RE NOT ADVOCATING NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS, BECAUSE THAT'S THE MOST EXPENSIVE FORM OF ENERGY THAT HAS EVER BEEN DEVISED IN THE WORLD.

IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THE COST OF EXTERNALITIES FOR NUCLEAR.

SO TELL PG E WHEN THEY'RE GOING, WHEN THEY'RE GOING FOR ENERGY, THAT'S NOT THE FIELD THEY SHOULD BE PURSUING.

THANK YOU, MR. BELLINGER.

I HOPE YOU STICK AROUND AT LEAST FOR, UH, DISCUSSION ON NUMBER 14 AND 15 BEFORE WE, UM, TAKE A BREAK.

UM, UH, THANK YOU, UH, TO THE PUBLIC FOR ADVOCATING FOR PUBLIC COMMENT TO HAPPEN, UH, IN ADVANCE OF THE END OF THE COMPLETE DISCUSSION ON THIS TOPIC.

SO, UH, YOUR INPUT IS MUCH

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APPRECIATED.

UM, I GUESS JUST TO REVISIT NUMBER 11, I THINK WE ARE MORE OR LESS IN CONSENSUS THAT WE LIKE THAT AND THAT'S SOME OF THE ELEMENTS FROM THE ORIGINAL NUMBER 10 WILL BE INCORPORATED, UH, LATER INTO THE DOCUMENT.

I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

IF VISION ZERO, IS THAT PART OF THE A TP OR IS, IS THAT A SEPARATE, CAN WE POSSIBLY ADD A BULLET POINT ON VISION ZERO? YOU KNOW, I, I DO LIKE THE ELEGANCE OF NUMBER 11 IN THAT IT SPECIFIES THE DIFFERENT PLANS.

SOME OF THE PUBLIC FEEDBACK WE'VE GOTTEN IS THERE'S CONFUSION BETWEEN THIS DOCUMENT AND THE A TP AND THE WORK OF PBA.

AND SO IF THIS, UM, NUMBER 11 COULD AT LEAST MENTION LIKE THE PBA COMMITTEE AND ALL OF THE WORK THEY'RE DOING, SO THE PUBLIC GOES TO THE RIGHT PLACE TO FIND WHERE THIS ACTIVITY IS OCCURRING.

THAT IS, UM, HELPFUL.

UM, YOU KNOW, A HELPFUL NEW 11.

I'M TALKING ABOUT THE NEW 11.

YEAH, CORRECT.

MM-HMM, , SO THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE LOCAL SAFETY PLAN, RIGHT? UM, I I WOULD LIKE TO ELEVATE VISION ZERO.

I WOULD LIKE TO ELEVATE THAT AS A BULLET POINT.

I GUESS WE COULD PROBABLY DEFINE THAT IF IT, IF IT IS PART OF THE LOCAL ROAD SAFETY PLAN, WE COULD POTENTIALLY CALL THAT OUT.

UM, NUMBER 11, THE NEW NUMBER 12 IS SHORT AND SWEET.

I GUESS I'LL GO FIRST ON THIS ONE.

JUST, UM, THIS IS SOMEWHAT ALREADY DONE.

I DO STILL LIKE THE IDEA OF, UM, THE ACTION OF DIS THE WORD DISTRIBUTE IN THAT LIKE, UM, IT WOULD BE GREAT IF THERE WAS AN EVENT WHERE CLIPPER CARDS WERE DISTRIBUTED TO THE PUBLIC.

YOU KNOW, LIKE SORT OF FORCING THE TRANSIT COMMITTEE TO ACTIVELY PROMOTE THIS MORE IN MORE WAYS THAN WHAT IS CURRENTLY OCCURRING.

UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, IT'S NUMBER, THE WAY NUMBER 12 IS WRITTEN IS SEMI PASSIVE AND POSSIBLY ALREADY DONE.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT IS SUCH A POWERFUL TOOL IN THIS ENTIRE THING, THIS ONE THING.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT HAS THE FEWEST WORDS.

, I MEAN, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THE SENTIMENT.

I'M JUST GONNA SAY THAT'S, I THINK WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE NITTY GRITTY THERE.

I THINK THAT IT, THE OVERALL STRATEGY IS, IS, IS FANTASTIC HOW THEY EXACTLY THEY DO IT.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST MY, MY THOUGHT.

BUT LOVE THE PASSION 'CAUSE I AGREE.

IT'S AWESOME.

AWESOME.

I'M SURE OUR COMMUNICATIONS TEAM IS GONNA BE VERY HAPPY TO PROMOTE THAT PROGRAM TO EVERYBODY THAT'LL LISTEN TO US ON THAT.

'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S HUGE.

IT'S A HUGE BENEFIT TO OUR COMMUNITY AND WE'RE GONNA BE SCREAMING IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS.

UH, I THINK THE, THE STATEMENT TO THE NEW STATEMENT, IMPLEMENTING FOR EVERY, FOR UM, BASICALLY FOR ALL OF TRANSPORT, I THINK THAT IS MUCH MORE BROADER FOR EVERYBODY AND TO GET EVERYBODY EN ENGAGED WITH IT.

SO I'D GO WITH THAT.

I THINK SAYING THING, SOMETHING ABOUT BUS PASSES OR CLIPPERS, UM, NOW YOU'RE GETTING FOR SPECIFIC AS TO, OKAY, CLIPPER CARDS ARE GOOD FOR OTHER THINGS BESIDES PETALUMA.

SO NOT SPECIFIC AS IS REWRITTEN.

I ACTUALLY HAVE PREFERENCE FOR THAT.

TRANSIT PROMOTION PROGRAM OR, YOU KNOW, ACTIVITIES? 'CAUSE I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, BEN.

SHORT AND SWEET.

I, I, AS AN ASIDE, I DID LOSE THE BATTLE ON ADVOCATING FOR BUS MAPS AS PART OF THE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARD.

SO, YOU KNOW, I DO THINK BUS MAPS IS A CRITICAL AND MISSING ELEMENT OF OUR TRANSIT PROGRAMS. YOU KNOW, THERE AREN'T BUS MAPS AT THE SCHOOLS, THEY AREN'T AT LOW INCOME HOUSING.

UM, IT SEEMS LIKE THE DESIRE IS TO KEEP THIS ONE SHORT AND SWEET.

UM, BUT AGAIN, THE ACTIVITIES OF PEBBLE TRANSIT ARE CENTRAL TO THE 70% MODE SHIFT THAT WE NEED TO DO.

UM, YOU KNOW, WOULD, WOULD PEOPLE BE OKAY WITH SPECIFYING THE MODE SHIFT TARGET IN THIS CORNERSTONE OR, YEAH, I LIKE THAT.

WHAT ABOUT ALSO ADDING SOMETHING SO IMPLEMENT FAIR FREE PROGRAM AND UM, AN AGGRESSIVE, UH,

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I MAY THINK THAT THEY'RE JUST THERE, THERE ARE A LOT OF IMPEDIMENTS AND FAIR IS ONE OF THEM, BUT, UM, MORE PROMINENT PROMOTION OF USE OF TRANSIT WOULD ALSO BE GOOD.

YEAH, I MEAN, I'M JUST WORRIED THIS BOX IS CHECKED AND WILL, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE THE TRANSIT COMMITTEE WILL MOVE ON, BUT CERTAINLY THIS COMMITTEE WILL MAYBE NOT HAVE THE, UH, OPPORTUNITY TO REVISIT IT IN THE SAME WAY.

I ALSO HAVE A QUESTION IF I DON'T THINK THE FAIR FREE PROGRAM IS FUNDED INDEFINITELY, I THINK IT'S MAYBE FUNDED FOR TWO YEARS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND SO, UM, THERE IS A QUESTION OF LIKE, IMPLEMENT, OKAY, IT'S DONE AND THEN WE HAVE DIFFERENT BUDGET PRIORITIES AND IT LIKE GETS UNDONE.

AND SO IS, YOU KNOW, IS THE INTENT OF US TO SAY THAT IT'D BE IMPLEMENTED FOREVER AND THAT WE SOMEHOW MAKE THAT AS PART OF OUR GOALS AND PRIORITIES.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I, HAVING SAT IN, IN A FAIR NUMBER OF TRANSIT COMMITTEE MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, I CAN SAY THAT THEY TALK ABOUT THIS A LOT AND IT CERTAINLY HAS A LOT MORE TO IT THAN THIS ONE SENTENCE.

AND SO I, I DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, ENOUGH MEAT TO ADD TO THIS ONE, BUT THERE SHOULD BE MORE MEAT ON THIS ONE.

AND YEAH.

I THINK EVERYONE'S NODDING THEIR HEADS AND WE'LL PUT SOME MORE MEAT ON THAT ONE SOMEHOW.

, UH, YEAH, MORE PRO MORE PROTEIN.

UM, NUMBER 12 IS THE EV CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE PROGRAM.

UM, I GUESS THIS IS THE ONE, AT THE LAST MEETING I WAS ADVOCATING FOR SPECIFICALLY THE LANGUAGE AROUND LEVEL ONE CHARGING BE IMPLEMENTED, UM, BASED ON MY CONVERSATION WITH COMMISSION MEMBER ELLEN CAMP.

SO IF WE COULD ADD SOME LANGUAGE ABOUT EMPHASIZING OR PRIORITIZING OR, YOU KNOW, LEVEL ONE CHARGING DOES GET OVERLOOKED.

UM, AND SO IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE THAT IN THERE.

UM, I'D ALSO LIKE TO ADD, I THINK WHAT'S MISSING AS WELL IS THE FACT THAT A LOT OF CURRENT MEANS OF PROVIDING V CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE ARE AT RETAIL RATES, WHICH ARE CONSIDERABLY HIGHER THAN WHAT THOSE OF US WHO HAVE CHARGING IN OUR HOMES PAY.

AND SO THERE IS A SERIOUS EQUITY ISSUE HERE THAT NOT ONLY DOES THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEED TO BE THERE, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE AVAILABLE AT A FAIR PRICE.

IN OTHER WORDS, LIKE SOMEONE WHO IS LOW INCOME SHOULDN'T BE PAYING MORE TO CHARGE THEIR EV THAN I'M PAYING AT MY HOME.

AND THAT'S A, THAT'S A HIGHER HURDLE, BUT I THINK IT'S A REALLY CENTRAL PIECE OF THIS.

YEAH, I, YOU KNOW, I, I ECHO, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER EDMUND'S COMMENTS THERE.

I THINK JUST HAVING A, JUST A, AT LEAST A LINE THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, UM, WE'LL PURSUE, UH, STRATEGIES SO THAT THE RATE IS, IS AT THE, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, THE RATE YOU WOULD PAY FROM YOUR HOME.

I THINK THAT THAT MAKES, THAT MAKES SENSE.

UH, I THINK THERE'S SOME TECHNICAL CHALLENGES CERTAINLY AROUND, YOU KNOW, WHOSE METER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.

AND IF IT'S A WORKPLACE, YOU KNOW, OKAY, THAT'S PRIVATE, PRIVATE BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, PRIVATE, PRIVATE PARKING LOT OR WHATEVER IT IS.

AND IT'S A LITTLE TRICKY, BUT CERTAINLY AT THE MULTI-FAMILY, UH, YOU KNOW, MULTI-UNIT, DWELLING LEVEL, THAT DEFINITELY MAKES SENSE, RIGHT? BECAUSE LIKE RIGHT NOW, I, I HAVE A, YOU KNOW, MY WIFE BOUGHT AN EV AND, AND OUR FUEL COST IS LIKE HALF OF WHAT, UM, IT WOULD COST FOR GAS AND THAT'S REALLY AWESOME AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYONE HAS GETS TO BENEFIT FROM THAT.

SO THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

NEW ONE, POP IT IN YOUR VEHICLE, WHATEVER IT IS, MOTORCYCLE, BICYCLE, A SMALL CAR, AND THEN YOU, YOU RIDE OFF.

THE UM, I'D LIKE TO ADD IS THAT I'D LIKE TO LEAVE IT MORE GENERIC 'CAUSE THIS IS ONE OF THE TECHNOLOGIES THAT'S CHANGING WORLDWIDE TREMENDOUSLY RIGHT NOW.

UM, JAPAN AND KOREA, UH, POSSIBLY KOREA, SOUTH KOREA ARE MOVING TOWARD A, UM, SWAPPABLE BATTERY THAT'S ABOUT HANDHELD.

YOU, YOU PULL YOUR HANDHELD THAT'S ABOUT THIS BIG, LIKE A, A A ONE SQUARE FOOT BOX.

YOU PULL IT OUT OF YOUR VEHICLE, YOU POP IT INTO A STATION, YOU PULL OUT A

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SO, UM, CHARGE STATIONS PLUGINS COULD DISAPPEAR, UH, IN THE FUTURE, UH, AND TO A SWAPPABLE BATTERY SYSTEM.

SO THINGS, TECHNOLOGY'S MOVING VERY FAST.

SO I WOULD SAY LET THAT BE GENERIC RIGHT NOW.

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE, UM, EV BIKE RACKS, UH, FOR FREE WITH FREE CHARGING AT ALL.

MULTIFAMILY THAT, YEAH, THAT, I'D LOVE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT I THINK IF WE LEAVE IT UP TO THE CHANGING TECHNOLOGY AND WHAT WE CAN DO SO THAT WHATEVER, AS THINGS ARE ROLLING OUT TECHNOLOGICALLY, WE ARE GONNA ROLL WITH IT AND, AND GET IT IMPLEMENTED.

IT COULD BE EV ONES, UH, CHARGE STATION.

EV TWOS COULD BE EV FOURS DOWN THE ROAD HERE FOR, UM, IF FOLKS HAVE TRUCKS.

COULD BE JUST A SIMPLE BIKE RACK OR SCOOTER RACK WITH, IT COULD BE SWAPPABLE BATTERIES, COULD BE ALL SORTS OF THINGS WITHIN FIVE YEARS FROM NOW.

COULD DON'T WANT TO SPECIFY YET AT THIS POINT.

SO I'D, I'D LIKE TO LEAVE IT OPEN.

ARE ARE YOU ADVOCATING FOR LIKE HYDROGEN FUELING BE PART OF THIS? UM, HYDROGEN FUELING MAY BE COMING IN FOR LARGER VEHICLES 'CAUSE UH, UH, BATTERIES, UH, DO NOT WORK WELL IN THE LARGER VEHICLES.

UM, UH, EVERYTHING FROM LARGE, ANYTHING LARGER THAN A PICKUP TRUCK AND THAT TECHNOLOGY'S COMING, SO WITHIN FIVE TO 10 YEARS WE MAY BE HAVING, UH, HYDROGEN FUELED, UM, PICKUP TRUCKS AND, AND ABOVE AS, AS ANOTHER OPTION MAY BE COMING.

SO, WE'LL, WE'LL SEE.

I I HAVE A QUESTION ON THIS ONE.

UM, WHICH IS THE BLUEPRINT PRETTY CONSISTENTLY HELD THE SAME TARGET FOR EV UM, ADOPTION THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT.

I THINK IT WAS 25%, IS THAT RIGHT? UM, SO JUST CURIOUS KIND OF WHERE YOUR ANALYSIS WAS ON THAT, WHY YOU ALWAYS HELD THAT NUMBER, YOU DIDN'T FEEL LIKE YOU COULD HIT A HIGHER NUMBER.

SO WE, THE 25% IS A ROUGH ESTIMATION OF IMPLEMENTATION OF THE STATE TARGETS, UM, FOR NEW PURCHASE OF NEW VEHICLE EVS.

UM, HOWEVER, I THINK WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE EMISSIONS FROM THE TRANSPORTATION SECTOR, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, AS WELL AS CLEAN VMT SO TO SPEAK.

SO IT COULD BE A PACKAGE OF EITHER OF THEM.

THAT NUMBER COULD BUMP UP IF YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND PURCHASING HAPPENS FASTER AND MODE SPLIT COULD GO THEIR, YOUR, UM, MODE SPLIT COULD GO DOWN.

SO YOU COULD KIND OF TOGGLE BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM, BUT WE WERE SORT OF LOOKING AND TESTING THOSE SCENARIOS.

BUT IT COULD, CAN BE KIND OF A RANGE OF THE TWO.

SO YOUR EV RATE COULD, ADOPTION RATE COULD BE MUCH HIGHER HERE IN PETALUMA.

IT MIGHT ALREADY BE HIGHER THAN OTHER PLACES PER SE, BUT, AND WHICH MEANS YOU WOULD NEED TO DO MAYBE A LITTLE LESS ON THE VMT SIDE AND MODE SPLIT SIDE TO REDUCE THOSE EMISSIONS.

SO YOU'RE KIND OF DOING BOTH AT THE SAME TIME.

UH, THEN I, UH, JUST RESPECTFULLY, I THINK I, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY BETTER NOT TO GET INTO TOO SPECIFIC ON LEVEL ONE, LEVEL TWO, YOU KNOW, LIKE TO, TO COUNCIL MEMBER'S POINT, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TECHNOLOGY'S GONNA BE LIKE IN FIVE YEARS AND I, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE, LIKE, IT NEEDS TO BE A CITY PRIORITY THAT SOME KIND OF CHARGING BE AVAILABLE OR, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS BE BUILT OUT.

I GET YOUR POINT ON THAT LEVEL ONE IS LOOKED OVER, BUT, UM, YEAH, JUST A, JUST A THOUGHT.

I MEAN THAT'S FAIR.

I GUESS I, NUMBER 13 SOUNDS LIKE A REALLY GOOD GOAL.

IT SOUNDS VERY IMPOSSIBLE TO DO.

UM, AND SO BY AT LEAST ADDING THE WORD LEVEL ONE THAT MAKES WHAT SEEMS IMPOSSIBLE, SLIGHTLY ACHIEVABLE, I GUESS SO, UM, YEAH, I JUST, I LOOK AT THIS ONE AND THAT SOUNDS REALLY GOOD, YOU KNOW, AND THEN I THINK LIKE TO COUNCIL MEMBER SCH SHRIMP'S POINT, WHO IS GOING TO DO THAT? YOU KNOW, LIKE IS SOMEONE AT THE CITY STAFF AT SOME POINT IN 2026 GONNA BE LIKE, OH, YOU KNOW, THE CLOCK'S TICKING AND LIKE THESE ELECTRIFY AMERICA CHARGERS ARE BROKEN AND MAYBE THE HYDROGEN PEOPLE ARE HERE OR NOT.

AND IT'S, UM, IT'S VAGUE ENOUGH THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD GOAL, BUT SOMETHING THAT WILL JUST NOT HAPPEN.

AND SO I GUESS I'M ADVOCATING FOR MORE PRECISIONS SO THAT THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY THAT SOMETHING ACTUALLY HAPPENS.

I I WAS GONNA SAY THAT IF IT'S FOR A NEW PROJECT, UM, THAT COULD BE A SOLUTION, A TRANSPORTATION DEMAND MANAGEMENT SOLUTION FOR AN INDIVIDUAL PROJECT.

IF, IF WE'RE GONNA DO THAT, THEN I WOULD, I WOULD EVEN PROMOTE TO GO FURTHER.

IF WE'RE GONNA DO THAT, I'D SAY I'D PROMOTE A RIDE SHARE SYSTEM WITH, UH, MINI CARS FOR LEVEL WITH ALL LEVEL ONE CHARGING, UH, BE REQUIRED FOR ALL NEW MULTI, UH, FAMILY HOUSING AND JUST MAKE THAT A REQUIREMENT IF WE'RE GONNA GO THAT FAR, WE AS GO ALL ALL THAT WAY.

SURE.

UM, YEAH, I MEAN I LIKE THAT, EXCEPT THAT IS GETS INTO THE MICRO TRANSIT CONCEPT AND I THINK THERE'S A DIFFERENT MICRO TRANSIT PIECE.

BUT ERIC, YOU WANNA,

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SO THAT KIND OF LEADS INTO NUMBER THE NEXT ROW DOWN, WHICH IS NUMBER 14 IN COLUMN B.

BUT, UH, THE IDEA BETWEEN TRANSPORTATION DEMAND MANAGEMENT IS THERE'S A LOT OF SOLUTIONS AND YOU LEAVE IT TO THE HOUSING DEVELOPER OR THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER OR THE, YOU KNOW, NON-RESIDENTIAL EMPLOYER IN THOSE BUSINESSES TO COME UP WITH THE SOLUTIONS TO MEET THE TARGETS.

YOU ESTABLISH FOR THEM.

SO THAT COULD CERTAINLY BE ONE OF THOSE SOLUTIONS.

SURE.

UNLESS WOULD LIKE TO JUST ENSURE THAT EV ONE CHARGING FOR, FOR SMALL, UM, UM, VEHICLES, BICYCLE SCOOTERS, LIKE BEING REQUIRED TO BE IN ADDED TO ALL MULTIFAMILIES.

IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'RE SEEKING? UM, YEAH.

I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING I'VE ADVOCATED FOR AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, OR AT LEAST GETTING MORE SPECIFIC, UH, YOU KNOW, THE CURRENT CODE I THINK IS LIKE, EV READY, YOU KNOW, UM, PATRICK, YOU WANNA COMMENT? YEAH.

I JUST WANNA, ADAM, BEFORE YOU GET TO THAT, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT IS, IS CLEAR.

'CAUSE WHEN EVERYONE SAYS EV CHARGING, EVERYONE'S THINKING LARGE FOUR WHEELED VEHICLES, UH, CHARGE STATIONS AT TWO 20.

SO, UH, I SORT OF SORT OF AGREE WITH WHERE YOU'RE GOING.

I HAVE A PROPOSAL.

IN 14, PERHAPS WE COULD ADD A PHRASE.

SO IT SAYS ADOPT A TDM POLICY INCLUSIVE OF E-BIKES FOR EMPLOYERS AND HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS.

THIS ONE, BY THE WAY, IS ONLY, IT'S LESS THAN A YEAR AWAY.

SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT CORNERSTONE BECAUSE IT'S AN IMMEDIATE FIRST STEP.

IT ADDRESSES TECHNOLOGY AS IT IS PRESENTLY, AND DOESN'T TRY TO ANTICIPATE TOO MUCH OF WHAT THOSE CHANGES ARE IN THE FUTURE.

DOES THAT WORK FOR EVERYBODY? I, IF, SORRY.

I KNOW, AGAIN, I'M JUST ALWAYS GONNA BE THE ONE PERSON .

UM, I THINK ADDING MORE REQUIREMENTS IN OUR CODE FOR HOUSING IS A BAD IDEA.

I THINK WE NEED TO GET SOME HOUSING BUILT AND, UH, I THINK FROM AN ELECTRICAL CAPACITY POINT OF VIEW, I'M ALL FOR EV READY AS A, IN, IN THE, IN THE, IN THE PANEL, IN THE TRANSFORMER AT THAT LEVEL, THE DELIVERY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE DISTRIBUTION LINE'S FINE, BUT, UH, JUST, JUST A RED TAPE, YOU KNOW, AVERSE KIND OF GUY.

I THINK HAVING, UM, REQUIRING YET ANOTHER THING THAT, UM, A HOUSING DEVELOPER OR IF SOMEONE WANTS TO PUT, WE HAVE CAMELBACK IS LEAVING, WE'VE GOT LATIA LEAVING SANTA ROSA, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOW GONNA BE IN KANSAS.

WHERE ARE THEY GONNA HAVE ANYWHERE NEAR OUR ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS? I THINK WE JUST, THIS, LIKE, THIS IS, I THINK A WELL-MEANING, UM, ADDITION TO OUR CODE THAT I THINK WILL HAVE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.

UM, ALSO JUST TO NOTE ON, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT NUMBER 14? SORRY, ARE WE ON 14 YET? WELL, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE WERE BLEEDING.

WE WERE HAD, WE WERE KIND OF BLEEDING.

SORRY, MY BRAIN'S KIND OF MELTING, SO I, YOU KNOW, UH, IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY, BUT, UH, SORRY.

I KNOW I'M, I'M ALWAYS KIND OF JUST THIS LONELY VOICE HERE, BUT WE'RE ON 13, ARE WE ON 13 OR 14? WE HAVE NOT YET CONCLUDED.

13.

I APOLOGIZE.

THEN.

I WILL, I WILL, UH, RANT AGAIN.

UH, WHEN WE GET TO 14, UM, I HAVE SOME, I HAVE SOME INTEREST OVER HERE IN MAKING 13 SOMEWHAT MORE PRECISE SO THAT IT BECOMES ACHIEVABLE.

UM, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE CAN COMMENT THAT 13 AS WRITTEN WOULD ACTUALLY HAPPEN.

SO PATRICK, I MEAN, WHAT I WANTED TO ADD TO THAT WAS, UM, THE CONVERSATION STARTED ABOUT, UM, LEVEL ONE AND BASICALLY INADVERTENTLY THERE BEING A TAX ON, ON RENTERS BECAUSE THEY'RE PAYING THE RETAIL RATE AS OPPOSED TO, UM, WHAT YOU WOULD PAY AT YOUR HOUSE.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS ENCOMPASSES THAT, THAT THOUGHT, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA OF EQUITY, I MEAN, THAT, THAT SCHEME THERE IS LIKE ANTIQUITY.

IT'S, IT'S MAKING IT MORE EXPENSIVE FOR, FOR RENTERS AND, AND PEOPLE WITH FEWER MEANS TO PARTICIPATE IN, IN CLEAN TRANSPORTATION.

SO I'M WONDERING IF DEVELOP AN EQUITABLE EV CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE STRATEGY WOULD KIND OF ENCOMPASS THAT IF WE ALL KIND OF UNDERSTAND THAT IDEA OF EQUITY AND THAT KIND OF GETS AT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

I LIKE IT.

SOMEWHAT BLEEDS INTO NUMBER 14.

THIS IS A STRATEGY, SO IT'S KIND OF FIGURING OUT HOW TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM.

SORRY, MAN.

UM, YEAH, NO, I MEAN, PATRICK IS SIGNING HIMSELF UP IN 2026 TO WORK ON THIS.

SO , I WILL BE RIGHT THERE WITH YOU.

YOU KNOW, IT'S, WHAT ISN'T CLEAR IS LIKE THE EXISTING VERSUS NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT'S

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UM, I DON'T KNOW IF LIKE ADDING SOMETHING ON EXISTING WOULD BE HELPFUL OR HURTFUL.

YOU THINK? YOU THINK THE STRATEGY FOR SHOULD BE FOR EXISTING? YEAH.

YOU THINK? YEAH.

YEAH, YEAH.

I MEAN, BECAUSE MOST OF MULTIFAMILY HOUSING, HOUSING IS EXISTING.

AND THE NEW STUFF WILL BE TO CODE THAT WILL HAVE THE CHARGE READY STUFF AND WHETHER OR NOT THE RESOURCES ARE RIGHT THERE.

OR THERE'S COMMUNITY CHARGING STATION.

SO HOW, HOW ARE WE GONNA GOING TO, HOW ARE WE GOING TO MAKE THE EQUITABLE CHARGING FACILITIES AVAILABLE? AND, AND I LIKE THAT THERE'S THE WORD INCENTIVES IN THERE BECAUSE I MEAN, THERE'S MONETARY INCENTIVES, BUT THERE'S ALSO PER PERHAPS SOMETHING WE CAN DO ON PERMITTING PROCESS TO MAKE THAT VERY EASY TO REMOVE THOSE BARRIERS.

SO, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE PART OF THE STRATEGY.

UM, I KNOW.

WE'LL SEE.

IT'S KIND OF A HARDER THING TO DO THAN YOU THINK, YOU KNOW, CHARGER LATER, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF EXPENSIVE.

AND SO THAT'S WHY I THINK IT DOES BE ABOUT A LITTLE MORE MAYBE GAS STATIONS.

BUT GAS STATIONS DON'T WORK FOR EASY, RIGHT? I THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING SOMETHING.

PUBLIC RESOURCE.

NO, I AGREE.

I MEAN, I JUST, YOU KNOW, I, WE'RE STILL ON NUMBER 13 HERE, BUT LIKE, UM, I TRIED REALLY HARD TO, WHEN THE NV FIVE PEOPLE WERE HERE AND WERE DOING THE, WHAT IS IT, WHAT WAS IT CALLED? THE ELECTRIFICATION, THE COMMUNITY MASTER PLAN FOR EV.

AND THEN I TALK TO PEOPLE AND THEY'RE LIKE, OH, WE'RE DOING THE COMMUNITY EV PLAN.

YOU'RE LIKE, NO, IT'S ACTUALLY THE CITY FACILITIES ELECTRIC VEHICLE INFRASTRUCTURE PROGRAM.

AND THEN CAN WE PLEASE MAKE SOME OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC? AND THAT WAS, THAT IS NOT HAPPENING, I DON'T THINK THAT CAN'T HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE, BUT THAT WAS INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT.

THE, THE NV FIVE GUY WAS LIKE, WHOA, THE NO FIRE STATION IS EVER GONNA ALLOW THE LOW INCOME HOUSING TO USE THE FIRE STATION'S CHARGER.

LIKE, SO NUMBER 13, IF WE CAN'T EVEN DO IT FOR OUR OWN CITY INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE'RE USING OUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS FOR, LIKE, THIS STUDY IS JUST A LITTLE GRANDIOSE.

UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE JUST SETTING A GUIDEPOST, RIGHT? THIS IS A, AN INTENTION AND DESIRE.

SOME OF THESE THINGS, PROBABLY ALL OF 'EM ARE GONNA BE HARD AND ASPIRATIONAL.

SO, I DON'T KNOW.

I FEEL LIKE AN EQUITABLE STRATEGY IS BROAD.

IT LEAVES LOTS OF OPTIONS OPEN.

CAN WE LIVE WITH IT? OKAY.

GREAT.

MM-HMM, JUST EQUITABLE INCLUDES LEVEL ONE CHARGING, AND IT INCLUDES OPENING UP PUBLIC FACILITY CHARGING PRI THE CITY CHARGING OF THE PUBLIC.

SO JUST NOTE WHEN WE REVISIT THIS, THOSE TWO THINGS WILL BE PART OF THE EQUITABLE PROGRAM.

, UM, NUMBER 14.

YEAH, I GUESS, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ONE I THIS IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, I GUESS NUMBER 15 IS MY FAVORITE.

NUMBER 14 IS MY SECOND FAVORITE.

I DON'T KNOW IF SPELLING OUT THE TDM ACRONYM WOULD BE HELPFUL, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS A MORE FUN BUZZWORD FOR THAT.

UM, I AM A LITTLE CURIOUS ABOUT THE TIMELINE.

IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY DO THIS YEAR? AND CAN WE TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE? BECAUSE THIS, WE HAVE TIME TO, THIS IS, I MEAN, THIS IS, THIS IS WHERE ALL THE EMISSION REDUCTIONS ARE HAPPENING IN THE ENTIRE BLUEPRINT IS.

T UH, TRANSPORTATION DEMAND MANAGEMENT POLICY, YOU'RE GONNA BE DOING A FEW THINGS.

I THINK I, I AGREE WITH, UH, YOU ON THIS ON, UM, THE PRIORITY.

IN FACT, I WOULD LIKE TO PUT THIS LIGHT RIGHT AT THE, THIS IS DATA COLLECTION.

SO IF WE'RE GONNA COLLECT DATA FROM THE CITY AND PUT ALL CITY STAFF AND COLLECTING CITY DATA STUFF, WE REALLY NEED TO BE COLLECTING DATA FROM THE COMMUNITY AS TO WHO'S DOING WHAT AND HOW FAR ARE THEY DRIVING.

UM, AS LONG AS WE JUST COLLECT THE DATA, IT'S LIKE WE'RE DOING IT FOR RENTS.

UH, WE COLLECT THAT DATA.

UM, BUT IF WITHOUT THAT DATA, AND THEN WE, THEN WE HAVE NO MANAGEMENT.

SO THIS IS JUST ALL ABOUT COLLECTING DATA.

UM, AND IF WE REQUIRE THAT OF, OF THE BUSINESSES AND THE, UH, LARGER, UM, UNITS, MULTI-FAMILY UNITS, UM, CORPORATE OWNED ONES, NOT PRIVATELY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 10, 20 PLUS UNITS, MAYBE, UH, BUSINESSES OF A HUNDRED PEOPLE PLUS, JUST SO THAT WE HAVE A IDEA WHERE ALL, WHERE EVERYBODY'S GOING AND WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM, JUST, JUST DATA COLLECTION.

UM, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S OUR BASELINE.

UH, FOR, FOR 2030.

IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT, THEN WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.

SO WHEN YOU DEVELOP A

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ONE IS YOU'RE GONNA BE ESTABLISHING SOME SORT OF TARGET THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE FROM NEW CONSTRUCTION FOR HOUSING, OR FROM, FROM NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

THAT'S THE FIRST THING.

THE SECOND THING IS YOU'RE GONNA SET UP A PROGRAM, UH, OR STAFFING INTERNALLY TO REVIEW THE TRANSPORTATION DEMAND MANAGEMENT PLANS THAT THOSE PROJECTS WILL PROVIDE TO YOU WITH THEIR APPLICATION.

THE NEXT THING YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO IS ACTUALLY MONITOR THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THOSE TYPICALLY DONE BY THE, UM, THE EMPLOYER OR THE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT.

AND THEN IF THEY'RE BEATING THEIR TARGETS, THEY'RE GOOD.

IF THEY'RE NOT, THEN YOU ENFORCE PENALTIES.

THAT'S HOW THE MOST EFFECTIVE TRANSPORTATION DEMAND MANAGEMENT PROGRAMS WORK.

AND THAT'S WHY IT'S AN ESSENTIAL PART OF REDUCING, UH, VEHICLE DEMAND IN MAKING PEOPLE PAY THE TRUE COST OF DRIVING.

IT'S A VERY HARD THING TO DO.

YOU CAN SET UP YOUR POLICY AND, AND I WOULD SAY THERE'S LOTS OF COMMUNITIES AROUND THE BAY AREA THAT ARE DOING THIS.

THEY'RE DOING IT WELL.

THEY'RE DOING IT IN FITS AND STARTS, BUT IT'S NOT A NEW STRATEGY.

THE OTHER THING IS, IT'S FOR, WE HAVE IT WRITTEN FOR EMPLOYERS AND FOR HOUSING.

MANY CITIES JUST DO IT FOR EMPLOYERS AS TO NOT PUT BURDEN ON HOUSING DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S ALSO HARDER TO TRACK FOR HOUSING.

SO IT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.

I, UM, I GOTTA MAKE A COUPLE MORE COMMENTS HERE.

I GUESS.

UM, I'M CURIOUS IF MR. BELLINGER APPRECIATES THAT THIS ONE HERE IS REALLY TARGETED AT HIS PUBLIC COMMENT AROUND REDUCING THE PUBLIC SUBSIDY OF DRIVING.

AND SO IF IT'S CLEAR TO MR. BELLINGER, THEN NUMBER 14 IS ACHIEVING ITS GOAL.

IF IT'S UNCLEAR TO HIM AND HE'S COMING HERE AND COMMENTING ON IT, THEN THE LANGUAGE SHOULD BE MODIFIED OR IMPROVED.

AND SO THAT, WHILE I AGREE WITH TDM, AND I LOVE TDM, THE LANGUAGE IN THIS CORNERSTONE IS VERY TECHNICAL.

UM, I ALSO HAVE A QUESTION.

I KNOW IN THE BLUEPRINT THERE WAS LIKE A TDM PROGRAM FOR THE STAFF, FOR CITY STAFF.

SO I DON'T, I THINK THAT'S STILL IN THERE, BUT NOT A CORNERSTONE.

UM, AND THEN, UH, I GUESS YOU HAD A COMMENT BACK, BACK TO MY RENT.

UH, SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.

I'VE SEEN THIS, THESE KIND OF GAMES PLAYED A LOT, WHICH IS HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS OF A CERTAIN SIZE THAT INCENTIVIZES LESS DENSITY, RIGHT? SO, SO THE DEVELOPER IS MORE LIKELY TO SAY, WELL, IF I BUILD 50 UNITS AND NOT 51, THEN I DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS TDM PLAN.

I, I KNOW THAT CITIES HAVE DONE THIS.

IT TAKES TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF STAFF TIME, DATA COLLECTION.

I THINK YOU WOULD GET A BETTER RESULT BY ALLOWING FOR MORE DENSITY AND MIXED USE, WHICH IS PART OF WHAT WE'RE DOING THROUGH THE GENERAL PLAN.

IT ACHIEVES THAT GOAL WITHOUT ADDING ANOTHER LAYER OF BUREAUCRACY.

I THINK ULTIMATELY WE ALL WANT TO SEE LESS, UM, USE OF, OF, OF SINGLE CAR DRIVING.

WE ALL WANT THAT.

I THINK A MORE ORGANIC APPROACH ACHIEVES THAT.

AND, UH, YEAH, LESS, LESS WORK TO, TO DO IT.

SO, END OF RAN.

SO, UH, THAT I THINK RAISES SOME INTERESTING QUESTIONS AND I'D LOVE TO HEAR, UM, FROM YOU, UM, BOTH ERIC AND HEATHER, YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH THIS.

UM, BECAUSE I, I CAN DEFINITELY SEE THE DIFFICULTY OF TRACKING THAT INFORMATION IN HOUSING, AND I'M WONDERING IF SIMPLY REDUCING PARKING RATIOS ACCOMPLISHES THE SAME THING AND ACTUALLY SAVES DEVELOPERS MONEY.

SEE, WE'RE YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT NEW DEVELOPMENTS.

AND I MEAN, MY READ OF THIS IS EXISTING.

AT THE DESCRIPTION OF THE POLICY TO THE WORK JUST BEING A WORKPLACE REQUIREMENT.

AND SO, NO, IT DOESN'T, IT, IT WOULDN'T APPLY TO EXISTING DEVELOPMENT.

IT COULDN'T APPLY TO EXISTING DEVELOPMENT.

YOU'D HA YOU NEED A, YOU NEED SOME SORT OF MECHANISM TO APPLY IT TO THEM.

MAYBE IF IT'S A LARGE OVERLAY ZONE CO I MEAN, LET'S ADD THE NEW OVERLAY ZONES ARE REQUIRED TO PRODUCE A TDM DOCUMENT AND PROGRAM.

WE COULD CERTAINLY LOOK INTO THAT.

I TYPICALLY, IT'S APPLIED TO NEW DEVELOPMENT.

WHEN YOU ARE DOING, IT'S A CONDITION OF APPROVAL FOR A PROJECT.

SO IT'S APPLIED, UM, IT'S APPLIED IN THAT WAY.

WHAT ABOUT FOR RE RETAINING ERROR? HMM.

COULD YOU DO IT FOR RETEN? TENANTING? YOU COULD CERTAINLY LOOK INTO RETENANTING AS AN OPTION, RIGHT? WITH A TURNOVER MAYBE.

IT CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK INTO.

TYPICALLY IT'S APPLIED TO NEW DEVELOPMENT AS A CONDITION.

I KIND OF LIKED YOUR IDEA OF OF NOT APPLYING IT TO HOUSING, BUT IT COULD BE APPLIED TO NEW HOUSING.

IT COULD APPLY NEW COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

THAT'S, THAT'S

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AND THEN I WONDER IF IT COULD BE PICKED UP BY LIKE, THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT DI DISTRICT TAXES OR SOMETHING LIKE, YEAH.

THAT YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD PAY FOR THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES THAT YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, COMING BY SINGLE VEHICLE OR SOMETHING.

YEAH, THAT COULD BE PART OF THE SO OF THAT, MAYBE THAT'S EASIER JUST TO ADD TO, TO FINISH, TO ANSWERING ANNE'S QUESTION THEN, THEN AMY TOO.

UM, UH, PARKING IS OFTEN A CORNERSTONE OF A TDM PROGRAM.

SO WHETHER IT'S REDUCTION IN PARKING ON SITE, WHETHER IT'S PRICING, PARKING ON SITE TO CHARGING YOUR EMPLOYEES TO PARK ON SITE, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE COMMON, UH, TRANSPORTATION DEMAND MANAGEMENT STRATEGIES THAT COULD BE PART OF AN EMPLOYER PROGRAM THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE DIS AT THE DISCRETION OF THAT EMPLOYER.

THEY'RE TYPICALLY DONE AS YOU NEED TO MEET THIS TARGET.

YOU FIGURE OUT HOW TO BEST MEET THIS TARGET.

AND OR THAT SAME APPROACH IN THE HOUSING.

UH, CORRECT THOUGH WE'RE GENERALLY MOVING TOWARD UNBUNDLING PARKING, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY'S UNBUNDLED PARKING.

I SHOULD NOT SIT SIDEWAYS FOR THESE MEETINGS.

UH, OH.

I DON'T KNOW WHY I MADE THAT DECISION.

UM, SO A COUPLE THINGS.

SO WE HAVE NOT REQUIRED UNBUNDLING YET, BUT I DO THINK WE WILL SEE THAT WITH OUR PARKING REFORM WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID TALK ABOUT WITH THE COUNCIL WAS UNBUNDLING PARKING.

THERE'S NOTHING, CAN YOU EXPLAIN UNBUNDLING WHEN YOU DON'T NECESSARILY, WHEN YOU RENT AN APARTMENT, YOU GET, YOU AUTOMATICALLY GET A PARKING SPACE WITH IT.

SO YOU SEPARATE SO THAT YOU CAN SAY, I DON'T NEED A PARKING SPACE.

SO MY RENT IS CHEAPER.

REDUCTION PLAN, RIGHT? THAT'S, IT'S NOT JUST DATA COLLECTION.

AND I HAVE TWO CARS IN MY FAMILY, SO I NEED TWO SPACES.

SO YOUR RENT, YOU HAVE, YOU'RE CHARGED FOR YOUR PARKING SPACE IS SEPARATE.

SO WE ALLOW IT, UM, BUT WE DON'T REQUIRE IT CURRENTLY.

BUT IT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE COUNCIL TO LOOK AT WHEN WE UPDATE OUR CODE FOR PARKING.

UM, I WILL SAY THAT OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS ARE TYPICALLY INCORPORATING MANY OF THESE STRATEGIES, LIKE FREE PASSES, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE DANCO PROJECT.

PART OF THEIR, UH, THAT'S BY THE, UM, NORTH STATION.

UH, PART OF THEIR FUNDING WAS, I BELIEVE FREE PASSES FOR A, A CERTAIN NUMBER OF YEARS FOR ALL THEIR RESIDENTS.

SO A, A, A LOT MORE OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS ARE DOING THINGS LIKE REDUCED PARKING, UNBUNDLING PARKING.

UM, WE'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT LOOKING FOR, UM, CAR SHARE PILOTS AS PART OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS.

AND WE HAVEN'T QUITE GOTTEN ONE OFF OFF THE GROUND YET, UM, IN PETALUMA.

BUT THERE IS A LOT MORE KIND OF PROACTIVE, UM, STRATEGIES WITH THOSE PROJECTS.

AND A LOT OF TIMES THE FUNDING THAT THEY'RE GETTING FOR THE HOUSING IS TIED TO THAT.

WE HAVE A MUCH HARDER TIME WITH THE MARKET RATE, WHERE WE'RE KIND OF CONSTANTLY SAYING, BUT YOU'VE GOT MORE PARKING THAN WE REQUIRE YOU.

YOU CAN GO DOWN TO, YOU KNOW, THIS, OR YOU'RE NEAR SMART, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ANY PARKING.

THAT KIND OF STUFF.

AND, UM, WHAT THE RESPONSE ALWAYS IS, IS THE MARKET, THE MARKET, THE MARKET.

WE CAN'T RENT 'EM IF WE DON'T HAVE.

UM, SO IT'S, IT'S THAT BALANCE IS WHAT WE SEE A LOT WITH THE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, IF THAT'S HELPFUL.

UM, YEAH, THE, UM, PART OF THE DATA COLLECTION THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN, IT'D BE NICE IF WE COULD GET IT A DIFFERENT WAY, BUT IF IT WAS JUST FOR BUSINESSES, ONE THING WE COULD DO WITH THE DATA IS, UH, INCENTIVIZE AS, AS YOU MENTIONED, WE COULD INCENTIVIZE, OKAY, IF YOU HAVE A WORKPLACE AND, UH, 50% OF YOUR EMPLOYEES ACTUALLY LIVE IN TOWN, UM, THERE, THERE'S SOME SORT OF BONUSES OF SOME SORT, SOME INCENTIVE FOR, FOR THAT.

UM, WHETHER WE WORK THROUGH, UH, THAT BETTER BUSINESS BUREAU OR WHATEVER, UH, BUT WITH DATA, UH, YOU CAN ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING.

SO UNLESS THERE'S ANOTHER WAY OF COLLECTING DATA, UH, AND ADDING INCENTIVES FOR FOLKS TO HIRE FOLKS THAT LIVE IN TOWN VERSUS OUTSIDE OF TOWN OR, OR BRING IN FOLKS THAT ACTUALLY CAN OR HELP THEM FIND JOBS.

'CAUSE THEN YOU COULD SAY, OH, OH, YOU, YOU'RE THE MANAGER OF THIS, UH, LARGE APARTMENT COMPLEX.

UH, WHY DON'T WE WORK WITH YOU TO HELP FIND SO THAT YOU GUYS, UM, YOUR, THE FOLKS THERE GET JOBS HERE IN TOWN.

LET'S, LET'S HELP YOU DO THAT AND, AND ACTUALLY MAKE THEM PART OF THE SOLUTION OR INCENTIVIZE THAT OF SOME SORT.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF IF INCENTIVE PROGRAMS WOULD BE WORK INSTEAD OF COUNTING OR COLLECTING DATA, BUT JUST HAVING INCENTIVE PROGRAMS WOULD WORK BETTER.

I DUNNO.

WELL, I MEAN, I THINK THE INCENTIVE COULD BE WITHIN THE EMISSION

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THERE'S A, THERE'S A PLAN TO MEET YOUR TARGETS AND THAT CAN EVOLVE OVER TIME.

I MEAN, I, I THINK THAT'S, TO ME WHY THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT POLICY TOOLS IN THE ENTIRE BLUEPRINT IS THAT THE TDM POLICY PER VMT CLUSTER CAN EVOLVE AND MODIFY AND ACHIEVE ITS TARGETS.

AND WE'RE RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, IN SOCIETY FOCUSED ON THE PARKING MINIMUMS THING.

YOU KNOW, I KNOW JUST IN READING THE BOOK ON PARKING RIGHT NOW, THAT THERE'S LIKE FOUR OTHER THINGS THAT COULD BE DONE.

SOME OF IT IS IN NUMBER 15, SOME OF IT IS IN MICRO MOBILITY, WHICH IS LIKE FIVE YEARS AWAY.

AND SO IF WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE MICRO MOBILITY, THE POLICY TOOL WE HAVE TO DO THAT IS THE TDM POLICY.

I HAVE A PROPOSAL, THIS MIGHT SOUND KIND OF CHICKEN, BUT COULD WE PHRASE THIS, ADOPT A TDM POLICY FOR EMPLOYERS AND OR HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS AND LEAVE THIS FOR STAFF AND CONSULTANTS TO DEVELOP UNDERSTANDING WHAT OUR GOALS ARE.

I MEAN, I'M TRYING TO, I'M TRYING, I'M TRYING TO INCLUDE THE OVERLAY ZONES.

AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO HAVE THIS APPLY TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING WHERE THE CITY REFINANCES AFFORDABLE HOUSING BONDS.

I MEAN, THIS TDM POLICY NEEDS TO APPLY TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE, BUT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING FOR THE NOT US TO FIGURE OUT RIGHT NOW.

YEAH, BUT I MEAN, IF WE JUST PHRASE IT THAT WE DISAGREE, IF, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT WAS SAID THAT THIS IS GENERALLY USED IN A NEW DEVELOPMENT CONTEXT, WHICH IS NOT WHERE OUR EMISSIONS ARE COMING FROM.

THEY'RE COMING FROM OUR EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS.

AND SO IF WE ARE SERIOUS ABOUT MEETING OUR TARGETS AND THE TDM POLICY, WHICH I DON'T THINK EVERYONE AGREES WITH ME THAT IT IS A POWERFUL TOOL, BUT IF YOU AT LEAST ACCEPT THE IDEA THAT IT COULD BE INCREDIBLY POWERFUL, WE NEED TO APPLY, WE NEED TO RECOMMEND TO THE STAFF THAT IT APPLY AS BROADLY AS POSSIBLE.

THAT'S WHAT I'M ADVOCATING FOR.

NOT AS PRECISE AS WHAT I'M SAYING, BUT THAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW TO APP APPLY, APPLY IT AS BROADLY AS POSSIBLE.

SO CAN WE PHRASE IT, ADOPT A TDM POLICY THAT APPLIES AS BROADLY AS POSSIBLE, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

THAT I THINK HELPS ME AT LEAST .

UM, I, AGAIN, JUST BECAUSE I, I, WHEN I WORKED IN TRANSPORTATION PLANNING MANY, MANY YEARS AGO, INCENTIVE PROGRAMS, CARPOOL PROGRAMS DID NOT WORK.

PEOPLE WILL GO, NAH, I'M JUST GONNA DRIVE MY CAR.

I, I JUST, I DON'T LIKE, THIS IS HOW HUMAN BEHAVIOR WORKS.

LIKE THEY JUST, IF WE, LIKE, I JUST SAW IT FAIL OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

AND I WORKED ON THESE, YOU KNOW, LIKE I WORKED ON THE CARPOOL INCENTIVE PROGRAM AND HAD VERY LITTLE UPTAKE EVEN THOUGH WE WERE GIVING OUT $50, UH, GAS GIFT CARDS.

UM, IT'S JUST, PEOPLE JUST, IT'S JUST REALLY HARD TO RUN THESE AND THE AMOUNT OF MANPOWER OR PERSON POWER YOU WOULD NEED TO IMPLEMENT THIS FOR ALL THE EMPLOYERS AND ALL THE, THE, THE MULTIFAMILY HOUSING TO TRACK ALL THIS IS, I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S FEASIBLE.

BUT I, I, I, AGAIN, I KNOW I'M A RANTER, BUT I THINK BY BROADENING THE POLICY AND SAYING THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A, WE DO NEED A TDM POLICY, LIKE WE CLEARLY NEED ONE, THAT, THAT IS EFFECTIVE AND THAT MEETS THE GOALS OF REDU REDUCING VMT.

UM, BUT ALLOWS IF WE CAN ALLOW FOR SOME FLEXIBILITY, AND I DO AGREE IT NEEDS TO BE FOR EXISTING, UH, HOUSING AND WORKPLACE, RIGHT? I THINK WE DEFINITELY NEED A STRATEGY.

I THINK LET, LET'S LEAVE THE ACTUAL NUTS AND BOLTS OF IT UNTIL LATER.

UM, LET'S, LET'S ASK OUR EXPERTS.

UM, IS THERE A WAY OF COLLECTING THIS INFORMATION OUTSIDE OF THIS IN ORDER TO DO THE EVALUATOR TOTAL PROGRAM WHERE WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO, HOW TO REDUCE BMTS ACROSS THE BOARD OR WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO.

UM, HOW DO WE, 'CAUSE THIS IS ALL ABOUT HOW DO WE ACTUALLY KEEP ACCOUNTING OF IT ALL AND HOW DO WE INCENTIVIZE AND MOTIVATE? IS THERE A DIFFERENT WAY OF DOING IT THAN THIS? OR, OR IS THIS THE ONLY WAY OF DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS? THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY TO DO THIS IS A MANDATORY TDM POLICY THAT IS REQUIRED OF NEW DEVELOPMENT.

THAT'S, THAT'S THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY.

VOLUNTARY PROGRAMS ARE NOT NEARLY AS EFFECTIVE AS MANDATORY PROGRAMS IN THIS REGARD.

THAT'S LIKE THE SCIENCE WILL BACK THAT UP, GENERALLY SPEAKING.

UH, TYPICALLY THE WAY THAT THEY'RE STRUCTURED IS THAT THE BUSINESS OR EMPLOYER, IN THE CASE OF A NON-RESIDENTIAL PROJECT, WOULD DO THE MONITORING THEMSELVES THROUGH COUNTS AT THE CURB AND OTHER SURVEYS.

AND THEN THAT'S REPORTED TO

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THE CITY.

SO THE CITY ITSELF ISN'T ACTUALLY TAKING ON THAT RESPONSIBLE.

THE CITY'S ROLE IS REALLY TO REVIEW HOW THEY'RE DOING AND THEN HELP THEM MAKE ADAPTIVE ACTIONS AS NEEDED IF NEEDED.

HOW ABOUT ADOPT THE MOST EFFECTIVE PRACTICABLE TDM POLICY? DO DOT PROBABLY APPLY, BLAH, BLAH.

I, THAT WAS, I'M HAPPY WITH THE DISCUSSION WE HAD.

I HOPE THERE IS AN AGENDA TOPIC AT THIS COMMISSION ON THIS LATER THIS YEAR, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S A JANUARY 1ST, 2025 TARGET.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A JOINT MEETING WITH TRANSIT OR PLANNING COMMISSION OR WHO, BUT I WOULD CERTAINLY LIKE US TO TAKE A CRACK AT DISCUSSING THIS AT SOME POINT THIS YEAR.

UM, NUMBER 15, THIS IS MY FAVORITE, I GUESS, UH, MAYBE COUNCIL MEMBER RI YOU HAD MENTIONED 14 BEING TOP HIGHER ON THE LIST.

I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE SHARE THE SAME PASSION THAT WE DO.

IS ANYONE INTERESTED IN ADVANCING 14 AND 15 HIGHER ON THE LIST? WELL, I DEFINITELY THINK I'M PUZZLED THAT THE DATE FOR 15 IS TWO YEARS DISTANT.

AND I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THAT BECAUSE TO MY NAIVE EYES, IT DOESN'T SEEM AS HARD AS SOME OF THE OTHER ONES.

, I COULD BE WRONG.

THE NEW 15.

THE NEW 15, YEAH.

I MEAN, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A YEAR OF POLITICAL SQUABBLING.

THERE WILL BE RIOTS IN THE STREETS WHEN THEY IMPLEMENT PAID PARKING DOWNTOWN .

THE OTHERS THAT HAVE MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE WILL BE A PARKING, UH, STUDY DONE, UM, SOON, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF IT'LL GET DONE THIS YEAR.

SO IF HEATHER, YOU HAVE MORE INFORMATION ON DEPARTMENT DATA.

WE ARE DOING, I THINK I BROUGHT THIS UP LAST TIME THAT WE ARE DOING A PARKING STUDY OF, AND I THINK IT'S, IT'S DOWNTOWN.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S SOLELY DOWNTOWN OR IF IT'S CERTAIN NODES TO LOOK AT, UH, THE, THE AVAILABILITY, THE USE OF PARKING.

SO THAT'S A STEP THAT'S WAS, THAT'S SPECIFIC TO THE, UM, DISABILITY PARKING THOUGH, AND THE, I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE IMPETUS OF THAT.

I DON'T, I DON'T THINK SO.

I THINK IT'S BROADER THAN THAT.

IT'S PUBLIC PARKING.

SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, ON STREETS IN, IN THE GARAGES DOWNTOWN.

UM, I FEEL LIKE THERE WAS OTHER AREAS, BUT I'M JUST NOT ABLE TO LIKE PULL 'EM OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

SO IT WAS LOOKING AT, WHEN WE CAME TO THE COUNCIL TO TALK ABOUT PARKING REFORM, WE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT CHANGING REGULATIONS FOR PRIVATE PARKING AS PART OF PROJECTS IS ONE PIECE OF IT.

BUT THE OTHER PIECE OF IT IS PUBLIC PARKING AND THAT THE, WE HAVE TO, AND THE THIRD PIECE OF IT IS TRANSIT AND, AND BIKE PED, YOU KNOW, THEY KIND OF LIKE ALL HAVE TO COME TOGETHER FOR IT TO BE SUCCESSFUL.

SO MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT THERE IS A DATE, UM, TO KICK OFF THE, THE PARKING STUDY AND I THINK IT IS THIS YEAR.

BUT I, I, I CAN FOLLOW UP 'CAUSE I JUST DON'T REMEMBER.

UM, BUT I KNOW BJORN'S BEEN WORKING ON IT AS A STEP.

SO THAT'S WHY I THINK THE DATE IS, IS 27 INSTEAD OF 25 OR 26.

UM, THAT'S COMING.

UM, UNLESS YOU WANT TO RE REDO SOMETHING, UM, OF HOW TO SET POLICY WITH ABOUT BROWN PARKING BEFORE YOU, THE STUDY CAN BE COMPLETED.

YEAH, I, I MEAN I'VE, I'M GONNA CONTINUE ADVOCATING FOR THIS BEFORE 2027.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THESE DATES ACTUALLY, UM, ARE ENFORCEABLE.

SO , I AGREE.

I MEAN, UM, I WILL SAY TO ADD SOMETHING TO THIS, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD A SENTENCE BEFORE ESTABLISHED.

IT'S SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF LIKE, ELIMINATE THE SUBSIDY OF FREE PARKING.

OR, YOU KNOW, LIKE BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT THE BAD, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT WHAT'S WORSE, WHICH IS THE FREE PARKING SUBSIDY.

AND WE NEED TO ELIMINATE THAT.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANNA NOODLE ON THIS ONE WHILE WE TAKE A BREAK, BUT THIS IS, THIS IS GOLD HERE.

I JUST WANNA 1000% AGREE AND JUST SAY, THIS IS DEFINITELY ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE I KNOW IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN, BUT IN MY FANTASY WORLD, WE KNOW IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO TO MAKE PARKING NOT FREE DOWNTOWN, ESPECIALLY DOWNTOWN.

DO WE NEED A STUDY? I MEAN, LIKE, WE ALL LIKE, IT'S, IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

I KNOW THAT

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, IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

BUT JUST DON'T SAY THAT .

I, HEY, IF, IF, IF WE ALL GET UP AND MAKE IT HAPPEN, GREAT.

I, I AM ALL FOR IT.

I GOT ANSWER TO MY QUESTION.

UH, DOWNTOWN AREA PARKING MANAGEMENT PLAN KICKING OFF IN SPRING 2024 COMPLETE AND LATE 2024, EARLY 2025.

SO THAT'S THE FIRST.

SO THEN COULD WE MAYBE MAKE 15 CITYWIDE THEN IF WE'RE, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE CAN DO DOWNTOWN IN BEFORE 27, BUT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD STOP AT DOWNTOWN.

AND I, I ALSO WANNA KIND OF LIKE, THERE'S SO MUCH THAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING.

LIKE, I MEAN, I, I, I HOPE WE CAN DO EVERYTHING FASTER THAN WE SAY WE ARE PUTTING OUT THERE.

BUT THERE'S SO MUCH IN, IN THIS THAT I, I, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, MY HEAD IS KIND OF SPINNING WITH HOW WE'RE EVEN GONNA DO IT.

SO EVERY TIME SOMETHING GETS MOVED TIGHTER, I THINK WHAT'S, IS SOMETHING ELSE GONNA SLIP? OR ARE WE JUST ADDING TO WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IN ANY GIVEN YEAR? IT'S A LOT.

I MEAN, AND IF THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO DO THINGS FASTER, I THINK STAFF'S GONNA DO THE BEST WE CAN.

AND WE ALSO HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY, AND THIS WAS SOME OF WHAT WASN'T MEANT AS VAGUENESS, BUT THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES THAT COME UP THAT WE DON'T SEE RIGHT NOW.

AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S GONNA BE LIKE, OH MY GOSH, WE HAVE SUCH GREAT PROGRESS MADE ON PARKING.

LET'S, LET'S STAY ON THAT BECAUSE WE, WE WE'RE ALMOST THERE.

WE CAN GET IT DONE AND SOMETHING ELSE MAYBE ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN THAT'S GONNA SLIP BY SIX MONTHS.

'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA FINISH THIS.

I MEAN, OR FUNDING COMES UP WHERE THERE'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO GET FUNDING TO DEVELOP YOUR TDM AND IT WE'RE LIKE, YES, LET'S GRAB IT AND DO THAT.

EVEN THOUGH WE SAID WE WEREN'T GONNA DO THAT TILL 2026 OR WHATEVER IT IS.

SO I JUST WANNA KIND OF CONTINUE TO REMIND THAT THERE'S A LOT IN HERE AND I, WE ARE, WE ARE GONNA DO OUR VERY BEST.

YEAH, I MEAN I, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I WAS BEATEN 13.

THAT IT'S THE, THAT ONE'S LIPS.

LIKE I DON'T, YOU KNOW, BUT YOU KNOW, AT LEAST AS LONG AS I HAVE A VOICE IN THIS CITY, 14, 15, THE DATES ARE IMPORTANT TO ME.

SO CHAIR, CHAIR PETERS.

WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THAT, IN YOUR OPINION, WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE ONE OR TWO THINGS THAT WE REALLY NEED TO REALLY FOCUS IT ON? WELL, I THINK, I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS IN PLAY.

I, I JUST A CALL BACK TO EARLIER IN THE MEETING, UM, WHEN I WENT OUTTA MY RANT SLASH LECTURE, UH, ABOUT THE NEED FOR, UH, STRATEGIC PLANNING AND PRIORITIZATION.

I THINK THAT A LOT OF THESE TIMEFRAMES ARE ASPIRATIONAL.

BUT IF THE, THE BIGGEST SUGGESTION THAT THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION GIVES US IS FIGURE OUT WHAT'S MOST COST EFFECTIVE AND MOST EFFECTIVE FROM A GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTION STANDPOINT.

AND PRIORITIZE IN THAT, MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

I MEAN, SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE YEARS AND LEAD TIME, BUT TAKE THOSE THINGS INTO ACCOUNT WHEN WE, WHEN WE GO TO PRIORITIZE.

AND SO HIT THE THINGS WITH THE BIGGEST, YOU KNOW, PUT THE MOST RESOURCES TO THE PLACES THAT HAVE THE BIGGEST IMPACT OR THE QUICKEST THINGS THAT HAVE MINIMAL IMPACT, BUT ARE REALLY EASY TO DO.

I THINK THAT FEEDBACK IS RECEIVED AND WE CAN, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE THAT UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE GONNA TRY AND DO OUR BEST TO MEET THESE GOALS, UM, WHILE ALSO, YOU KNOW, KEEPING THAT BIGGER PICTURE OF, OF CARBON NEUTRALITY BY 2030 AND, AND GAIN THERE AS FAST AS POSSIBLE.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA TAKE INTO ACCOUNT.

AND YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S JUNE INSTEAD OF JULY OR UH, JANUARY OF 2027, YOU KNOW, BUT WE STILL GOT IT DONE.

THAT THAT STILL SOUNDS LIKE A WIN TO ME.

AND IF I, YEAH, SOMETHING, UH, WELL WELL GO TAKE A BREAK HERE SHORTLY.

IF WE, WHAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE US TO, LIKE, AS YOU SAID, NOODLE ON A LITTLE BIT, UM, I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM HEATHER, UH, IF WE COULD ON, UM, JUST WHAT WE SAID THERE, UM, FROM PLANNING CITY PLANNING.

SO THIS IS REALLY ABOUT CITY PLANNING, PRIORITIZING, UM, WHAT'S THE MOST DOABLE THING IN THIS WHOLE LIST FROM YOUR VIEWPOINT, FROM WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IN FRONT OF YOU OF WHAT'S BEING ASKED BY US CITIZENS.

UM, AND YOU'RE THE PROFESSIONAL CITY PLANNER.

WHAT KNOWING PEDAL AS WELL AS YOU DO NOW FROM YOUR POINT OF VIEW, WHAT'S THE MOST DOABLE, EASIEST, QUICKEST THING TO ACTUALLY GET US AT LEAST HALFWAY THERE, .

IT'S, IT'S NOT FUN, MAN.

I KNOW.

I FEEL LIKE THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A LOADED QUESTION, RIGHT? THE QUESTION WE'RE BEING ASKED TO DO THAT SAYS, WHILE

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WE NEED TO FINISH A GENERAL PLAN.

LIKE THAT, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT, LIKE THE LAST GOALS AND PRIORITIES, TURN PLAN WASN'T EVEN ON IT.

HOUSING ELEMENT WASN'T ON IT.

THE BLUEPRINT WASN'T ON IT.

AND WHAT, YOU KNOW, OVER THE LAST YEAR WOULD'VE I SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON, AND A LOT OF THE CITY TEAM HAS SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON IS THE GENERAL PLAN, RIGHT? UM, AND THEN IN MY OPINION, THE ZONING CODE UPDATE THAT IT, WE WANT TO COME RIGHT WITH OR IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE GENERAL PLAN IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

AND MANY OF THESE THINGS GET IN, YOU KNOW, LIKE PARKING, LIKE, UM, INCREASING DENSITY, YOU KNOW, REGULATIONS AROUND TO FACILITATE HOUSING.

YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE TALK ABOUT IN HERE IN OTHER OF OUR POLICY DOCUMENTS COME INTO PLAY WHEN WE DO THOSE TWO THINGS.

SO IN MY OPINION, THAT'S LIKE, WE'RE WORKING HARD.

WE JUST DID THE FLOOD AND SLR MODELING.

I MEAN, THAT WAS A HUGE EFFORT AND WE'RE, WE'RE FINALLY HAVE IT.

SO WE'VE GOT SO MUCH MOMENTUM THAT IN MY OPINION, THOSE TWO THINGS ARE LIKE KEY TO MOVING ALL OF THESE FORWARD.

SO, SO BASICALLY THESE, THIS IS A NICE LIST, BUT THEY, THEY'RE GONNA BE INCORPORATED INTO WHERE THE DIRECTION WE'RE GOING WITH THE GENERAL PLAN AND THESE, THESE THINGS WILL GET INCORPORATED AS THEY CAN BE.

THEY ARE.

BUT I ALSO WANNA EMPHASIZE THE GENERAL PLAN IS NOT THE FIX EVERYTHING.

YOU KNOW, IT IS A POLICY DOCUMENT.

IT IS THE VISION, IT IS THE, THE FRAMEWORK.

BUT WHAT OFTEN HAPPENS IN A COMMUNITY WHEN YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THE GENERAL PLAN IS, OH, LET'S THROW THAT INTO THE GENERAL PLAN.

AND THE GENERAL PLAN WILL DO THAT, AND THE GENERAL PLAN WILL DO THAT.

IT WILL NOT SOLVE EVERYTHING.

BUT I THINK A LOT OF THAT REFRAMING THE VISION AND, AND, AND GETTING US TEED UP, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WORKING WITH A GENERAL PLAN THAT HAS SOME GREAT STUFF IN IT STILL.

UM, FROM 2008 IN THE, I THINK IT TOOK SEVEN YEARS TO, UM, ADOPT THAT GENERAL PLAN.

IT'S GOT GREAT STUFF STILL IN IT, BUT THERE'S ALSO BEEN SO MUCH CHANGE.

WE'RE IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CONTEXT THAN WE WERE IN, IN 2000 TO 2008.

SO, SO WE'LL AFTER WE FINISH THIS PROCESS HERE, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD SIDEBAR DURING THE BREAK.

UM, IF WE COULD TAKE A SHORT BREAK AND RETURN, IS NINE 15 FEASIBLE FOR EVERYONE? IS THAT OKAY? A SHORT BREAK, NINE 15.

I KNOW EVERYONE IS A LITTLE DAUNTED BY THE REMAINING LIST.

REMEMBER LAST TIME THE LAST HALF OF THE LIST TOOK HALF AN HOUR.

SO DON'T BE TOO DISCOURAGED ON ORIGINAL 13, NEW 16.

UM, IT SAYS IDENTIFY BARRIERS TO LARGE USERS AND OR SECTORS.

I THINK THAT'S GOOD.

I LIKE THE, AND OR THE, UH, PARTICIPATE AT THE A HUNDRED PERCENT RENEWABLE TIER.

I WOULD PROPOSE CHANGING THAT TO, UM, IDENTIFY BARRIERS FOR LARGE USERS AND OR SECTORS TO PURCHASE 100% RENEWABLE ENERGY.

UH, JUST 'CAUSE I, I WORK AT A-A-C-C-A, UH, JUST MAY MIGHT HAVE A LITTLE INSIGHT HERE.

I, IS THERE A PG E OPTION? OH, THERE WILL BE.

OH, THERE WILL BE.

AT SOME POINT AT SOME.

I, I, WELL, I MEAN THERE'S THE RENEWABLE PORTFOLIO STANDARD, I THINK, IS IT 2045? BUT IT ACTUALLY KICKS IN OR THERE HAVE BEEN AND WILL BE OPTIONS.

I THINK THE PARTICIPATE AT THE A HUNDRED PERCENT RENEWABLE TIER IS A LITTLE TOO SPECIFIC, I THINK TO PURCHASE A HUNDRED PERCENT RENEWABLE ENERGY ACHIEVES SURE.

MULTIPLE ANGLES OF ACHIEVING THAT ENOUGH SAID.

SO WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS, IS 85% OF THE POPULATION THAT WE HAVE HERE, ESPECIALLY ALL THE, THE FOLKS IN THAT ARE JUST BARELY MAKING A CHECK TO CHECK, TO BASICALLY PAY COME UP WITH A MINIMUM OF $20,000 TO $40,000 TO DO AN UPGRADE OF ELECTRICITY.

UM, 14, 17, THIS IS A MEATY ONE.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANY CHANGES ON IT.

COUNCIL MEMBER.

UM, YEAH, JUST LOOKING AT, UH, JUST TRYING TO DO THAT AT, AT MY HOUSE.

I'VE, I'VE TRIED TO CHECK OUT AND, AND LOOKED AT THE COSTS OF RETROFITTING AND CHANGING OVER, EVEN WHEN I WAS IN TRANSITION.

AND, UM, THE COST WAS $5,000 EXTRA MORE TO DO, CHANGING OUT TO A NEW, AND THAT'S PER APPLIANCE BASICALLY TO GO ALL ELECTRIC.

UH, AND ALSO TO UPGRADE MY ELECTRIC PANEL TO, TO MEET THOSE DEMANDS, EVEN THOUGH, UM, AND I'M TALKING ABOUT $10,000 TO DO THAT, THAT UPGRADE.

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I THINK THIS IS A LITTLE BIT GONNA BE ABSURD AS FAR AS THE NUMBERS GO AND EXPECTATION BY 20 20, 28, THAT'S, UH, JUST A FEW YEARS, FOUR YEARS FROM NOW TO HAVE 85% OF OUR POPULATION RETROFIT AS A MANDATORY THING.

UM, I I WOULD SAY BY 2030, IF WE CAN GET 50% TO DO IT VOLUNTARILY, JUST THROUGH TRANSITION, NORMAL TRANSITION WITH INCENTIVES, THAT THAT WOULD BE A MUCH BETTER GOAL.

UM, 'CAUSE THIS, THIS IS WAY OUTTA LINE, UM, MANDATORY.

UM, AND CO THE, THE FOLKS OUT THERE THAT, ONE OF THE THINGS WHEN, WHEN I WENT THROUGH AN INTERVIEW, I HAD ALL THE CONTRACTORS, BASICALLY ALL THE BUILDERS I 20 OF 'EM SITTING AROUND THERE.

AND MEN, YOU, YOU DO THIS AND, AND THEY'RE JUST GONNA SQUAWK LIKE CRAZY.

SO MY INTERPRETATION OF THIS IS THAT IT'S TO DEVELOP THE STRATEGY BY 2028.

AND THAT'S ESTABLISHING A GOAL.

IT DOESN'T SAY MANDATORY, DOES IT? UH, I, I I THINK IT'S SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN.

I, IT DOES SAY TO RETROFIT 85% OF EXISTING HOMES AND BUSINESSES TO ALL ELECTRIC BY 2030 STRATEGY.

BUT A STRATEGY TO DO THAT, I JUST DON'T, IT'S, I THINK TO TO, TO THE COUNCIL MEMBER'S POINT, IT'S JUST NOT POSSIBLE.

BUT OUR TASK WAS TO HOW DO WE GET TO CARBON NEUTRALITY BY 2030? I MEAN, RIGHT.

THAT'S, THAT WAS OUR MARCHING ORDERS.

AND SO THAT WAS WHAT THE BLUEPRINT SHOWED.

WE KEPT LOOKING AT DIFFERENT SCENARIOS AND IT DIDN'T GET US THERE AND IT DIDN'T GET US THERE.

SO YES, IT'S A HUGE EFFORT, BUT THAT WAS OUR TASK TO SAY HOW DO WE GET THERE? AND THE PATH TO THERE WAS 85% RETROFIT.

THAT'S WHY I THINK THAT THIS ISN'T POSSIBLE OUTSIDE OF WHAT THE CITY CONTROLS.

I, AND I WILL ADD, JUST ON THE ELECTRIFICATION, WE ARE TRYING TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, EQUITY CONSIDERATIONS.

WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT FUNDING.

ARE THERE OPPORTUNITIES TO, YOU KNOW, BUY THINGS IN BULK TO BRING COSTS DOWN.

SO THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

IT'S NOT, I I, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT, I KNOW THAT IT, IT'S NOT, THERE'S NOT AN EASY ONE.

YOU KNOW, IT IS A MULTI-PRONGED STRATEGY.

UM, SO WE, WE CAN TRY AND WE CAN DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO DO THE EDUCATION AND THE INCENTIVES AND THE REGULATORY AND IT'S, IT GET US AS FAR AS WE CAN.

I DON'T REALLY THINK IT'S OUR JOB TO BE PRACTICAL.

THAT'S THEIR JOB.

WE NEED TO SET THE EXPECTATIONS.

AND DEVELOPING THAT TIMELINE'S NOT THE ISSUE, IT'S JUST YOU'RE NOTING THE, THE PERCENT BY THAT TIME PERIOD.

AND WE NEED TO SET THEM LIKE AMBITIOUSLY, WAIT, BUT WAIT, IF WE SET THIS EXPECTATION AND THEY FALL WAY, WAY SHORT OF IT, SHOULD THEY BE HELD TO ACCOUNT, HELD TO BE ACCOUNT FOR SOMETHING THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE.

I, BUT IT'S NOT, THIS IS A, THIS IS A COMMUNITY WIDE, UM, AS ASPIRATION, YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T THE CITY'S TECHNICALLY THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY TO DO THIS.

THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY IS TO CREATE A STRATEGY, CREATE INCENTIVES, AND TO MAKE IT EASIER.

I HEAR YOU.

COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE GONNA HAVE TO STEP UP AND DO IT.

SO IT'S ON THE COMMUNITY.

IT'S NOT ON, IN MY VIEW, IT'S, IT'S ON THE COMMUNITY TO DO THIS.

AND IT'S ON THE CITY TO EXPLAIN WHY.

YOU KNOW, I, I, I HEAR ALL THAT.

I JUST, AGAIN, I, THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE.

SO, SO I GUESS I'M, I'M HEARING MORE SPECIFICALLY THE JANUARY 1ST, 2026 DATE BEING A LITTLE OVERLY AMBITIOUS.

SURE.

IS THAT, THERE WE GO.

I, I ALSO, THIS IS, WE'RE HAVING A BROADER TOPIC ON 17, I GUESS, THAN THE SPECIFICS OF THE TOPIC.

UM, WHILE WE'RE ON THE BROADER THING, THE, THE 25% EV, IF WE WERE TO INCREASE THAT, DOES THAT MAKE A LESS AMBITIOUS NUMBER IN THIS MORE ACHIEVABLE TO MEET THE OVERALL GOAL? NO, NOT NECESSARILY.

RIGHT? BECAUSE IT'S TWO DIFFERENT, UH, TWO DIFFERENT SECTORS OF EMISSIONS THAT YOU'RE TACKLING.

SO IT WOULD HELP ON YOUR SOV RATE.

UH, IS, AND I JUST WANNA ASK A FOLLOW UP.

IS THE, IS THE ISSUE JUST THE HAVING THE 85%? 'CAUSE WE ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE TARGETS IN MANY OF THE OTHER STRATEGIES, AND I REALIZE IT'S SORT OF NON-PARALLEL IN READING IT TONIGHT.

UM, IS THAT, IS THAT THE PRIMARY ISSUE, RIGHT? THE STRAT DEVELOPING THE STRATEGY IS NOT THE ISSUE

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IS THAT YEAH.

IS THAT RIGHT? I JUST THINK THE 85 IS JUST NOT LIKE, UNLESS WE HAVE A A, A KING AND OR QUEEN AND, AND WE SUSPEND EVERYTHING AND WE JUST DO THAT.

LIKE, I I MEAN THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A CITY IN NEW YORK THAT THEY, THEY'RE DOING A MUNICIPAL TAX THING TO GET EVERYONE A HEAT PUMP.

YOU KNOW? I MEAN, THAT IS A STRATEGY THAT CAN BE DONE.

AND WE COULD TAKE OUT THE 85% WE COULD SAY TO, TO MAXIMIZE YES.

YOU KNOW, RETROFITS OF EXISTING BUILDINGS MEAN, I THINK THAT'S PERFECT.

LET'S DO THE BEST WE CAN HAVE A COPY THOUGH.

I PERSONALLY, I THINK IT'S A MAJORITY.

UH, UH, I THINK IT'S EXPRESSED OUTSIDE.

I'M, I'M JUST GONNA POINT OUT THAT THERE'S THIS, THIS GRAPH HERE THAT SAYS, UH, WHAT DOES IT TAKE AND WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE AIMING FOR WHAT DOES IT TAKE? AND THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES.

I MEAN, YEAH, I THINK IT, I WOULD SAY EITHER WAY THUMBS UP.

BUT I, I THINK WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS EXACTLY WHAT WE ASK THEM TO DO, WHICH IS TO BE AMBITIOUS AND TO GO FOR IT AS LIKE HARD AS WE CAN.

I THINK PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW, THE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO KNOW, LIKE, THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.

WELL, AND WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE DIALOGUE.

IT'S, IT IS NOT LIKE, OH, STAFF YOU DIDN'T, MA YOU DIDN'T SUCCEED.

YOU DIDN'T HIT 85%.

WE CAN'T, WE ARE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DO IT SINGLE.

NO.

IT'S GONNA BE HANDEDLY.

I MEAN, SO I THINK WE HAVE TO SHIFT THE WAY WE'RE THINKING.

I, I GET IT.

I, I MEAN THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT A LOT AND IT'S LIKE EVERY TIME WE TRY TO TAKE A STEP FORWARD, THERE'S LIKE EIGHT DIFFERENT KIND OF INPUTS THAT ARE LIKE, YOU CAN'T DO THAT UNTIL YOU SOLVE THIS.

AND YOU CAN'T DO THAT UNTIL YOU, SO I GET IT.

UM, BUT TO YOUR POINT, THAT'S EXACTLY, WE FELT LIKE THE MARCHING ORDERS WERE COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT GETS US TO CARBON NEUTRALITY IN 2030.

AND SO THIS IS THAT THIS IS WHAT IT TAKES.

AND IT IS MASSIVE.

IT'S AGGRESSIVE, BUT EXTREMELY AGGRESSIVE COUNCIL MEMBER.

JUST TO, UH, ADD TO THAT.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT PAUL G. MAY BE COMING FROM A DIFFERENT WORLD THAN WE'RE THINKING, UM, THIS IS LIKE, THIS IS LIKE THE AREA THAT HE'S REALLY REFERRING TO THAT I TOTALLY AGREE WITH HIM ON THIS ONE AND WITH A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE.

AND AFTER LOOKING AT OTHER PLACES, I WENT TO FLORIDA TO SEE WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND, UM, THE, UH, COSTS THAT WE'RE BURDEN THAT WE'RE ASKING OUR CITIZENS TO DO, TO SACRIFICE FOR THIS COST BURN, TO BE THE EXAMPLE TO THOSE, WE'RE GONNA REACH THIS GOAL AND WE'RE GONNA REACH IT FIRST.

WE'RE GONNA BE THE LEADERS.

IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE'RE ASKING OUR CITIZENS WHO ARE BARELY MAKING IT.

UM, BECAUSE JUST FROM MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, HAVING TO TRY FOR ME TO DO THIS BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, YOU'RE ASKING ME TO SPEND $20,000 TO DO THIS, EVEN THOUGH THOUGH I'VE UPGRADED AND DID EVERYTHING JUST TO CHANGE MY GAS FURNACE TO AN ELECTRIC FURNACE IN MY HOUSE.

I HAVE TO UPGRADE MY PANEL.

AND THEY SAID FROM A 200 I TWO HUNDRED'S NOT GONNA MAKE IT BECAUSE I'VE GOTTA HAVE FOUR, I HAVE TO GO UP TO A 400 OR 300 TO 400 AMP PANEL AND MINIMUM COST $15,000 FOR ELECTRICIAN TO PUT IN THAT SIZE OF A PANEL.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD BY TWO OF THE DIFFERENT ELECTRICIANS.

SO I KNOW THIS IS SOUNDS CRAZY, BUT, UM, WHEN YOU ADD IN THE, THE COST OF THIS RETROFIT, IT'S A MINIMUM PER HOUSEHOLD PRETTY MUCH THROUGHOUT OUR TOWN, ESPECIALLY ON THE EAST SIDE WHERE EVERYTHING WAS KIND OF BUILT BA VERY BASIC AND DOESN'T MEET STANDARD NOW, THEY DON'T MEET THE STANDARD RIGHT NOW, UM, WITH THE NUMBER OF, UH, SIZE OF PANELS THAT THEY HAVE.

UM, ASKING EVERY 85% OF OUR POPULATION THAT ARE HOUSES OF, OF OUR 20,000 HOUSES, 15, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MORE THAN 15,000 HOUSES ARE GONNA HAVE TO SPEND, UM, MORE THAN $20,000 TO MEET THE SKULL.

AND SO YOU MAY DISAGREE WITH THE COST THERE, BUT THAT'S WHAT, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT I WAS BEING QUOTED.

SO COMMISSION MEMBER LEY, I JUST, I THINK THIS MEETING IS NOT ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT.

THAT IS NOT OUR JOB IN THIS MEETING TODAY.

OUR MEETING IS WHAT IS THE GOAL? THAT IS OUR MEETING, THE GOAL IS 85%.

IT DOESN'T MATTER ALL OF THE HOW IS STUFF THAT IS GOING TO BE HAPPENING AFTER THIS MEETING? IT IS POSSIBLE.

IS IT LIKELY MAYBE NOT.

BUT IF WE DON'T EVEN TRY, LIKE WE CAN'T, WE HAVE TO LIKE SET OUR GOALS.

AMBITIOUSLY COUNCILMAN, I MEAN, UH, EDM ADMINISTER.

SO JOHN, I DISAGREE.

I DON'T THINK THIS MEANS WE'RE ASKING 85% OF OUR HOMEOWNERS TO ABSORB THE COST.

IT MEANS WE'RE TARGETING THE GOAL OF RETROFITTING 85% OF HOMES AND THE MONEY FOR THOSE WHO NEED IT SHOULD COME FROM ELSEWHERE,

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LIKE FEDERAL GRANTS.

SO LET'S BE CLEAR THAT NO, UH, CLEARLY THERE ARE MANY, MANY, MANY PETALUMA RESIDENTS WHO CANNOT ABSORB THAT COST.

THAT'S VERY CLEAR.

IT'S COMING UP WITH THE MONEY THAT IS THE JOB.

UM, I'LL, I'LL GO ON MY HIGH HORSE HERE FOR A SECOND.

UM, WE DON'T, WE, WE DON'T, WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT ADAPTATION YET.

AND WE MAY, AT A FUTURE POINT, I'D LIKE TO REMIND EVERYONE, THERE'S BASICALLY A SINGLE NATURAL GAS PIPELINE FROM CANADA TO PETALUMA THAT PROVIDES ALL OF THE GAS FOR ALL OF OUR COMMUNITY.

AND ONE MAJOR EARTHQUAKE TAKES THAT OUT.

AND SO THE AMOUNT OF AMBITION WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN PLAN, YOU KNOW, PLAN BA AREA 20, 50, A HUNDRED PERCENT OF PLANNED BAY AREA 2050 INCLUDES MAJOR EARTHQUAKE DAMAGE.

OKAY? AND SO WHEN CONSIDERING THAT AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF THIS IS PUBLIC INFORMATION, BUT ALL OF MARIN COUNTY WAS VERY CLOSE TO NOT HAVING NATURAL GAS BASED ON THAT MUDSLIDE.

RIGHT? AND THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO BE AWARE OF THAT.

AND SO THE COST OF THIS INFRASTRUCTURE IS MEANINGFUL.

AND SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE COST AND THE LEVEL OF AMBITION ALL DAY, BUT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE, THE SUNK COSTS AND THE OTHER COSTS.

IT SOUNDS LIKE WE WANNA TAKE OUT THE NUMBER 85 AND REPLACE IT WITH, YOU KNOW, A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER NEEDED TO ACHIEVE OUR CLIMATE TARGETS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO I THINK WE HAVE SOME CONSENSUS THERE.

I WOULD WELCOME A DISCUSSION ON LIKE, IF WE WANT TO DO JANUARY 1ST, 2026, OR IF WE WANNA LEAVE THAT UP TO, UH, COUNCIL GOALS AND PRIORITIES.

THIS DOES SEEM LIKE A MAJOR LIFT AND RELATIVE TO EVERYTHING ELSE SEEMS WAY MORE DIFFICULT TO DO.

AND SO IN THE RANK ORDER OF PRIORITY, THIS IS POSSIBLY LOWER, UM, FROM A TIMELINE PERSPECTIVE, BUT STILL MEANINGFUL.

AND THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS THAT, UM, WITH THE ZERO HOME PRESENTATION, WHAT STOOD OUT TO ME WAS THE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF NATURAL GAS USED IN THE SCHOOLS.

AND WE'RE ONLY TALKING LIKE TWO DOZEN SCHOOLS TO ACHIEVE NOT THE SAME LEVEL OF IMPACT AS RETROFITTING ALL THE HOUSES, BUT MAYBE LIKE A THIRD OF THE IMPACT, YOU KNOW? AND THAT'S LIKE WHEN WE, WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT LIKE DECARBONIZING THE SCHOOLS IS LIKE VERY ACHIEVABLE, YOU KNOW, AND DOABLE.

AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE START WITH THAT MENTALITY AND THEN LIKE, OH, AND YOU KNOW, HALF THE PEOPLE IN THE SCHOOL DO THE SAME THING, THEN SUDDENLY THIS STARTS TO MAKE SENSE.

THANK THANKS, BEN.

I REALLY APPRECIATE THE SENTIMENT AND I DO WANNA MAKE SURE I'M NOT A TOTAL DEBBIE DOWNER HERE.

, UM, AT MY LAST HOUSE, WE WERE ABLE TO, UM, DECARBONIZE OUR, OR YOU KNOW, GET, AT LEAST GET RID OF EVERYTHING BUT OUR SPACE HEATER ON A 100 AMP PANEL.

AND THAT INCLUDED SOLAR AND AN EV.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT WAS JUST TWO OF US IN THE HOUSE.

BUT I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY LIKE, AND, AND WE DID THAT ALL FOR FIVE GRAND.

SO, YOU KNOW, A LOT IS ACHIEVABLE.

AND I DON'T WANNA MAKE, I DON'T WANNA MAKE IT SOUND LIKE IT'S NOT, A LOT OF THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE.

I JUST, UM, IT'S JUST HARD FOR ME.

'CAUSE I, YOU KNOW, I I I, I SEE THE, THE CHALLENGES THAT ARE COMING, ESPECIALLY WHAT I REALLY THINK IS LIKE THE PROFOUND LEVEL OF CHALLENGE IS GONNA BE AT THE INFRASTRUCTURE LEVEL.

AT THE, WHEN YOU GO FROM THE SUBSTATION TO THE TRANSFORMERS, THEY, YOU GET JUST GIGANTIC BOTTLENECKS, UH, THAT, THAT ARISE.

AND I KNOW THAT SOME OF THAT'S OUTTA OUR CONTROL AND WE SHOULD BE ASPIRATIONAL.

SO I DEFINITELY TAKE THAT POINT.

SO IF YOU WANNA LEAVE IN 85%, I'M, I'M A LITTLE MORE OPEN NOW.

YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, SHOOT FOR THE MOON AND YOU HIT THE STARS KIND OF THING.

SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I I'M, I'M OPEN TO WHATEVER THE CONSENSUS OF THE GROUP IS ON THIS.

NO, GO ON.

TO ME IT'S A, YOU KNOW, IT'S A CORNERSTONE FOR REASON, YOU KNOW, IT'S, THERE'S A HUGE AMOUNT OF EMISSIONS HERE AND IT'S REALLY HARD AND IT'S KIND OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, UNTIL YOU START, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET IT DONE.

YOU KNOW, AND WE NEED TO GET IT DONE.

SO LET'S, LET'S START THE 2026 DATE FOR THE FIRST TWO IS, UM, I THINK THAT'S FOR THE STRATEGY, RIGHT? IT'S NOT FOR IMPLEMENTING ANYTHING.

UH, I'M OKAY WITH IT.

I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT SIX DIFFERENT STRATEGIES ALREADY.

AND SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU WANNA MOVE IT UP OR YOU WANNA MOVE IT BACK? MOVE IT BACK.

NO, I DON'T WANNA MOVE IT BACK.

IT'S A YEAR AND A HALF TO EVALUATE, CREATE A STRATEGY.

I THINK THAT'S REASONABLE.

I MEAN, WE, WE HAVE SO MANY RESOURCES HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY ON THIS PARTICULAR

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ISSUE.

I THINK IT'S, I THINK PERSONALLY, I THINK IT'S FINE.

UM, IF WE WERE TO REMOVE THE 85%, THEN I WOULD SAY THE ENTIRE LIST OF CORNERSTONES SHOULD HAVE A FRAMING STATEMENT THAT SAYS, CONSISTENT WITH OUR 2030 GOAL ESTABLISH TARGETS FOR EACH OF THESE ITEMS. MM-HMM.

THAT IS, YOU KNOW, CONSISTENT WITH ACHIEVING THAT GOAL, RIGHT.

TO TOGGLE, DON'T, DON'T WATER DOWN THAT.

AND THEN A SECONDARY THING IN TERMS OF THE DATES, EIGHTS, HONESTLY, THESE ARE ALL CORNERSTONES.

THAT MEANS WE THINK THEY ALL NEED TO BE STARTED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

PUT IN PLACE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

AND SO I'M KIND OF WITH PATRICK ON THIS ONE.

IT'S LIKE, YEAH, STAFF'S GONNA DO, AND HEATHER, WHAT YOU SAID AS WELL, THINGS ARE GONNA MOVE FORWARD AS THEY CAN.

SOME THINGS ARE GONNA JUMP AHEAD.

SOME GONNA LAG BEHIND.

I'M NOT GONNA STAY, I'M NOT GONNA BE REALLY HUNG UP ON ANY OF THESE DATES.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALL SORT OF ASAP AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.

SO I, I DON'T WANT US TO HAGGLE ON DATES.

THAT'S, THAT'S MY POSITION.

HOMES, BUSINESSES AND SCHOOLS.

UM, THE LAST THING I'LL ADVOCATE IS ADVOCATING BULLET 0.3 BE MADE BULLET 0.1.

I THINK ACTUALLY IF THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN, IT'S THROUGH THE BAY RENT DIRECT INSTALL PROGRAM.

AND PEOPLE SHOULD THINK ABOUT THAT FIRST.

I SECOND THAT.

AND ALSO, UM, YOUR EARLIER POINT, THIS SAYS HOMES AND BUSINESSES.

LET'S ADD IN SCHOOLS.

'CAUSE THAT'S NOT A BUSINESS.

IT'S COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES.

SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BECAUSE IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT COMMERCIAL EITHER.

SCHOOL.

ALIGNED DEPARTMENT RESOURCES AND STAFFING.

WELL, I WAS GONNA ACTUALLY, FOR SCHOOL'S GONNA ADD DOWN TO THE, UH, NUMBER 18, MAKE THAT MORE OF A BROADER AND THE SCHOOL SCHOOL BUILDINGS.

THAT ONE.

UM, I THINK, I THINK LET'S KEEP, LET'S KEEP THE MOVING UP THE BULLET 0.3 AND ADDING THE SCHOOL.

AND LET'S MOVE ON TO NUMBER 15.

UH, COUNCIL MEMBER SHRI, I KNOW THIS GETS INTO ONE OF THE FOUR GROUPS THAT YOU HAD GONE ON A COMMENT ON AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.

OH, YEAH.

UH, TALKING ABOUT THE OLD 15 MINUTES.

SO NOW WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ANOTHER CROSS-DEPARTMENTAL TASK FORCE TO DO SOMETHING.

SO AGAIN, OKAY, SO, SO NOW WE HAVE ANOTHER GROUP OF FOLKS IS SO, UM, HOW MANY DIFFERENT GROUPS OF FOLKS ARE WE GONNA HAVE DOING DIFFERENT THINGS? SO IF WE JUST SPREAD THIS OUT, AND PROBABLY GONNA BE THE SAME PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THE, THE TEAM THAT ARE GONNA BE ALSO THE COORDINATORS THAT ARE ALSO GOING TO, UH, BE WORKING WITH THE, UM, THE FOLKS, UH, COMING IN THE, UM, THE STAKEHOLDERS.

SO, UM, WE ALREADY HAVE THIS, YOU ALREADY HAVE THIS TASK FORCE.

IT'S, I MEAN, TASK FORCE FEELS LIKE A BIGGER NAME, BUT THERE'S A GROUP OF STAFF, UM, ACROSS MANY, UM, DEPARTMENTS THAT MEET, UM, REGULARLY ON MANY OF THESE.

SO THAT, I THINK THAT'S WHY IT CHANGED FROM ESTABLISHED TO UTILIZE THE CITY'S EXISTING CROSS-DEPARTMENTAL TASK FORCE.

SO IS THIS THE SAME AS THE OR ALREADY ESTABLISHED, AND WE CALL IT THE CLIMATE ACTION TEAM, WHICH IS ALREADY ON THE FRONT, ONE OR TWO THINGS THAT SAYS CLIMATE ACTION TEAM.

NO, THIS IS A, A GROUP OF STAFF FROM PLANNING, BUILDING FIRE, LEGAL CITY MAN AND CLIMATE CLIMATE ACTION THAT MEET REGULARLY TO TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE CODES COMING DOWN, THE CASE LAW COMING OUT.

WHAT SHOULD WE BE FOCUSING ON? WHAT'S THE BIGGEST BANG FOR OUR BUCK? WHAT'S GONNA BE EASY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AND NOT GET US INTO? WOULD WOULD IT BE HELPFUL IF WE NAMED THIS TASK FORCE? I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAS A NAME OR NEEDS A NAME.

NO, IT'S, IT'S A GROUP OF STAFF.

THAT'S WHY I WAS SAYING TASK FORCE FEELS A LITTLE, I'M ON THE TASK FORCE.

IT'S THE, IT'S LIKE THE CODE, BUT IT'S A, OF STAFF THAT MEETS REGULARLY MM-HMM.

ON THESE ITEMS. SO I THINK THAT WAS THE INTENTION OF CHANGING FROM ESTABLISHED TO JUST LIKE UTILIZING THAT EXISTING GROUP OF STAFF THAT IS ALREADY MEETING TO CONTINUE TO MEET AND MOVE THESE ITEMS FORWARD.

I JUST HAVE ONE COMMENT.

I, I THOUGHT THIS ITEM BELONGED BETTER IN THE FIRST INTENT GROUP.

'CAUSE IT'S SORT OF, IT'S ALL STAFF ORGANIZATIONAL STUFF, WHICH IS WHAT THE FIRST INTENT GROUP WAS.

YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME IS WAS, BUT I DON'T CARE DEEPLY ABOUT IT.

WHERE IT LIVES.

, THIS IS STILL A CORNERSTONE

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ACTION THOUGH THEN.

I MEAN, YES.

I MEANT I DIDN'T CARE ABOUT WHERE IT LIVES THAT MUCH.

THIS IS SUGGEST OKAY.

16 AND 16 AND 19.

THE WATER ITEM NEW, 16 OR NEW? NEW, NO, YEAH, NEW 16, OLD 19.

THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

UH, JUST, UH, I ALWAYS WANT TO ADD, BECAUSE THIS IS JUST LOOKING AT, UH, INCREASING WATER CONSERVATION.

THE OTHER HALF OF IT IS, UM, STORAGE AND GROUNDWATER.

SO, UM, BESIDES JUST TALK, UH, WHICH ALL HAVE IMPLICATIONS FOR CLIMATE CHANGE ACTIONS.

UM, SO JUST TO INCLUDE IN HERE, BESIDES INCREASING CONSERVATION, YOU ALSO NEED TO INCREASE WATER HOLDING CAPACITY.

UH, AND, AND, UH, UM, WE ALREADY HAVE GSAS WORKING ON THE GROUNDWATER PLANTS, SO AT LEAST MENTION IT IN HERE AND SAY WE'RE GONNA DO ALL THREE OF THOSE, UM, CONSERVE WATER, SAVE WATER, AND, AND PLAN FOR BETTER GROUNDWATER USE THROUGHOUT.

SO JUST HAVE IT MORE COMPREHENSIVE.

IT'S THE ONLY THING I WOULD RECOMMEND.

YEAH, I'M, YOU KNOW, I HAVE COMMENTS ON THIS ONE, BUT I'LL SAVE THOSE FOR THE WATER MANAGEMENT, THE WATER MASTER PLAN, YOU KNOW, WHICH I THINK IS WHY THE DATE IS SO AMBITIOUS.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO MENTION THE WATER MASTER PLAN IN HERE.

UM, BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S THE WATER MASTER PLAN IS COMING.

SO, UM, COLUMN, YEAH.

UH, JUST, JUST TO KIND OF TAG ON TO, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER SHRIMP'S COMMENT, THE, THE STORM WATER THAT HE'S MENTIONING AS THE GROUNDWATER RECHARGE, IT'D BE NICE TO PULL THE STORMWATER OVER INTO THE SUPPLY CONVERSATION IN THE COLUMN THERE IN NUMBER 19.

AND I BELIEVE THOSE THINGS ARE GONNA BE IN OUR, OUR, UM, GENERAL PLAN ANYWAY, UH, THERE.

SO JUST, JUST HAVE SINK IN WITH EVERYTHING THAT WAY UHHUH, JUST KEEP IT SIMPLE.

SO, UM, HOWEVER THAT'S TACKLED, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A VERY INTENTIONAL CHANGE SOMEHOW, UM, CHANGE OF NAME, CHANGE OF MISSION STATEMENT THAT ACCOMPANIES ALL THIS.

COLUMN ONE 17 GOT SPLIT INTO A COUPLE DIFFERENT THINGS.

I GUESS THE AD HOC, IF YOU, UH, I GUESS I COULD SPEAK TO THIS.

I MEAN, I THINK THAT THE INTENT WAS TO, TO, UM, BROADEN THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF PUBLIC WORKS TO INCLUDE NATURAL SYSTEMS AND TO REBALANCE THE FOCUS AND EFFORT ON GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE AND TO REDUCE THE FOCUS INDEPENDENCE ON, ON GRAY INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO THAT'S KIND OF WHY THE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, REALLY THE EMPHASIS ON, ON DEVELOPING A, A DEPARTMENT OR A GROUP, A WORKING GROUP IN PUBLIC WORKS WAS BECAUSE THE CIP BUDGET IS SUCH A BIG PART OF THE CITY BUDGET AND SUCH A BIG PART OF THE WORK WE DO THAT THE NATURAL SYSTEMS ALWAYS ENDS UP KIND OF FALLING.

IT'S LIKE THE TURN OF THE FAIL OFF THE TRUCK OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST NOT IN THE CONVERSATION ENOUGH.

SO, UM, SO THAT WAS THE INTENT THERE.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, 20, 21, 22 KIND OF MISSES THAT, UM, EFFORT.

'CAUSE IT DOESN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT WHERE THESE THINGS LIVE.

YOU KNOW, ARE THEY LIVING IN PARKS, PARKS AND REC? ARE THEY, WHERE ARE THEY LIVING? WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR 'EM? UM, AND UM, YEAH, SO I DEFINITELY, I DEFINITELY FEEL LIKE THIS IS KIND OF A WATERING DOWN OF, OF THE INTENT OF 17.

UM, AND THEN I WOULD, UM, SAY SPECIFICALLY, UM, IF, IF FOLKS WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH 20 21, 22, THAT, THAT WE ADD SOME FOCUS ON WILDLIFE CORRIDOR BEING A COM IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF NUMBER 22, FOR EXAMPLE.

AND THAT, UM, THE INTENT STATE STATEMENT IN THE FAR RIGHT COLUMN, UM, LIST ENHANCED HABITAT.

SO THERE'S, THE INTENT IS TO MANAGE OPEN SPACE, WORKING LAND, CITY PARKS AND PUBLIC SPACES TO SUPPORT ENHANCED HABITAT, LOCAL SEQUESTRATION, DA DA DA.

SO, YEAH.

UH, I'D LIKE TO PILE ON A LITTLE BIT, UM, AND JUST ADD SOME COLOR TO WHAT ANN SAID ABOUT THE REASON WE SUGGESTED THE DEPARTMENT.

I THINK THAT THIS AREA IS PERHAPS ONE OF THE MOST CHALLENGING PARTS OF CITY ORGANIZATION TO SHIFT CULTURE AROUND, AGAIN, FROM GRAY INFRASTRUCTURE TO GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE, AND FROM SORT OF AN ENGINEERING ORIENTATION TO A NATURAL SYSTEMS HOLISTIC ORIENTATION.

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IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THAT, BECAUSE I WORK WITH ENGINEERS, NEED, I SAY MORE COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, I FULLY SUPPORT WHAT THE TWO S JUST SAID ENTIRELY, UH, COMING FROM THAT WORLD, THE, UH, COME FROM THE NON-ENGINEERING ENVIRONMENTAL WORLD.

SO, BUT I TOTALLY AGREE.

I DO WORK WITH ENGINEERS AND COMPUTER SCIENTISTS, COMPUTER PROGRAMMERS.

SO I KNOW ALSO.

UM, BUT UH, MAYBE IN THE NATURAL SYSTEMS AREA.

SO, UM, HAVE THAT INCLUSIVE AS, AND THEN UNDER NATURAL SYSTEMS HAVE THESE THINGS, UH, THE WILDLIFE QUARTERS INCLUDED HAVE THE SEQUESTRATION OF, OF LAND THERE, HAVE THE, UM, THE SPONGE CITY DOWN THERE, UH, WATER HARVESTING.

BUT, UM, BUT ABOVE THAT 19 ABOVE AND B COLUMN WHERE YOU HAVE THE WATER SUPPLY AND EVERYTHING THAT, THAT, YOU MAY CONSIDER THAT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT AS WATER SUPPLY.

BUT IF YOU GO TO WATER AS THE NATURAL SYSTEM OF WATER AND HAVE THE NATURAL SYSTEM OF WATER BE INCLUDED IN THIS NATURAL, UH, RESOURCES AREA, MM-HMM.

SO NATURAL RESOURCES ALL GET COMBINED TOGETHER.

SO WE END UP WITH A LAND OPEN SPACE, WHICH IS ALSO BIODIVERSITY.

SO WE INCLUDE, UM, UH, LIFE.

WE INCLUDE LAND, AND WE INCLUDE WATER.

SO THOSE ARE THREE KEYS TO, TO MAKE IT MORE.

UM, AND THEN WE HAVE THE FOREST IN THERE.

SO ALL OF THOSE GET PUT TOGETHER IN, IN THE GROUP OF NATURAL SYSTEMS AND EMPHASIZES NATURAL SYSTEM MANAGEMENT ENTIRELY.

UM, AND SO THE WATER MANAGEMENT WOULD BE, THIS IS WHERE YOU'D HAVE THE, UM, EXTRA PONDING FOR FLOOD CONTROL.

YOU'D HAVE, UM, UH, MAYBE EVEN SUPPORT RESERVOIR SYSTEMS, UH, FOR, FOR THAT AS A RESOURCE DOWN THE ROAD FOR ADAPTATION.

YOU WOULD ALSO HAVE, UM, UH, ALL THE OTHER POLICIES MANAGING THE GROUNDWATER WOULD ALSO BE INCLUDED IN THAT.

'CAUSE THAT'S NATURAL SYSTEM MANAGEMENT.

UM, AS WELL AS THE FLOOD CONTROL MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS, WHICH IS, WHICH HAS ALREADY BEEN BEEN DONE.

SO BY CALLING IT ALL NATURAL RESOURCES, SYSTEMS MANAGEMENT, AND THEN GETTING ALL OF THESE CATEGORIES UNDER IT AS A SINGLE ITEM, SAYING THIS IS A BIG ITEM.

UM, MIGHT BE TO EMPHASIZE THAT.

AND HOPEFULLY, AGAIN, HAVE A RESTRUCTURING OF CITY STAFF FROM A ENGINEERING FOCUSED TO A NATURAL SYSTEMS AT MAYBE IN ADDITION, AT LEAST, IF NOT A SEPARATE SYSTEM OR INCORPORATED.

UM, 'CAUSE I KNOW FROM A LONG TERM, CITY MANAGEMENT IS ALL ABOUT MAINTAINING, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, THAT, THAT IS PHYSICAL.

UH, THAT'S ROADS, PIPES, WATER, ELECTRICAL, ALL THAT.

THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S NORMAL.

BUT IN THE OLD DAYS, IT WAS THE NATURAL SYSTEMS BECAUSE THAT WAS THE BASIS OF LIFE AND HOW THE TOWN GREW WAS ALL AROUND AGRICULTURE AND NATURAL SYSTEMS. THAT WAS ACTUALLY THE BASIS.

AND, AND WHAT WE NOW DO IS IT'S ALL UNDERGROUND, BASICALLY, OR GROUND AND HOUSING AND BUILDING AND STRUCTURES.

SO AGAIN, WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO WHERE WE WERE A HUNDRED YEARS AGO IN PHILOSOPHY ANYWAY.

SO I JUST THOUGHT TO EMPHASIZE THAT, UM, THAT'S A HUGE SHIFT IN WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW.

UM, I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE ALL UP HERE IN AGREEMENT.

I RECALL AT THE LAST MEETING THERE WAS SOME HESITATION IN WHAT WE COULD ADVOCATE FOR IN TERMS OF CREATING A NEW CITY DEPARTMENT AND THE PRACTICAL REALITY OF THAT.

SO I, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THE, WHAT WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO FOCUS ON IS WHAT, WHAT IS OUR OBJECTIVE? NOT EXACTLY HOW DO WE STRUCTURE IT IN THE CITY GOVERNMENT.

SO INSTEAD OF, SO A LOT OF YOUR FEEDBACK IS THAT CHANGE IN THAT ATTENTION TO CERTAIN THINGS, WHETHER THAT IS A NEW DEPARTMENT OR IT, IT, IT, I, I DON'T KNOW.

UM, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO GET KIND OF AWAY FROM IS NOT EXACTLY HOW, HOW TO DO IT.

THIS DEPARTMENT UNDER THIS DIRECTOR CALLED THIS, BUT WHAT, WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH? SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT KIND OF THE, THE NATURE BASED AND THE MOVING FROM GRAY INFRASTRUCTURE, GREEN TO GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE, THOSE KIND OF THE NATURAL SYSTEMS. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'LL ALL LIVE UNDER ONE DEPARTMENT.

LIKE WE ARE TALKING A LOT ABOUT OPEN SPACE AND YOU, YOU MANAGE AND YOU, YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT OPEN SPACE MUCH DIFFERENTLY THAN YOU THINK ABOUT A PARK.

WE HAVE A RECREATIONAL PARK, RIGHT? MM-HMM.

BUT THAT PIECE MIGHT, I DON'T KNOW, LIVE UNDER PUBLIC WORKS AND MAYBE WE DO GET AN URBAN FORESTER, BUT MAYBE THAT PERSON LIVES UNDER COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.

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SO I AM JUST, THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN STAFF'S KIND OF ATTEMPT IS TO NOT CALL OUT EXACTLY HOW IN THE STRUCTURE OF THE CITY ORGANIZATION IT GETS IMPLEMENTED, BUT GET THE INTENT OF WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO.

AND I THINK WE TRY TO BE VERY FLEXIBLE AND VERY CREATIVE ON HOW WE APPROACH IT.

AND SO IF, IF THE HOW IS KIND OF, IF YOU TRUST US TO FIGURE OUT THE HOW AND, AND FOCUS ON THE WHAT, I THINK THAT WE CAN COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS.

WE'RE WE, WE, WE WANT THE SAME, OUR GOALS ARE ALIGNED.

, WE WANT THE SAME THING.

SO, UM, IF WE HAVE THAT, THAT ABILITY TO DO THE HOW WE, WE MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFECTIVE.

YEAH, I THINK THAT'S FINE.

I THINK THAT THE, UM, THE, UH, THE NOTION OF IT BEING KIND OF LIKE A PILLAR OF COMMUNITY VALUES, YOU KNOW, LIKE TAKING CARE OF OUR NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, CONNECTING OUR NATURAL SYSTEMS, SUPPORTING WILDLIFE LIKE THAT, THAT'S A CORE PETALUMA VALUE.

AND IT PLAYS INTO THE WHOLE CLIMATE CONVERSATION IN, IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS.

BUT, BUT ONE OF THE WAYS THAT I THINK THAT'S MOST CULTURALLY SIGNIFICANT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE TAKE CARE OF WHAT THEY LOVE, YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE LOVE.

YOU KNOW, THEY LOVE THEIR PARKS AND THEIR OPEN SPACE AND THE GEESE AND THE RIVER AND ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

AND SO IF WE DO A BETTER JOB OF SUPPORTING AND TAKING BETTER CARE OF OUR NATURAL SYSTEMS, THEN IT'S GONNA INSPIRE PETALUMA TO TAKE BETTER CARE OF PETALUMA AND OUR NATURAL ENVIRONMENT.

DID, DID YOU GUYS GET THE FEEDBACK YOU WANTED? AND YOU GUYS FEEL HEARD ON THIS? OKAY.

I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GONNA SAY I DON'T HAVE A HORSE IN THIS RACE KNOWING THE PEOPLE WHO CREATED THE ORIGINAL RIVER ENHANCEMENT PLAN, YOU KNOW, BACK IN 96.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, BUT I TALK WITH 'EM ABOUT IT REGULARLY AND I'M SURPRISED AND EXCITED.

WE ACTUALLY DO THAT BY JANUARY IN 2027, SO.

GREAT.

UM, MOVING ON.

ANYONE, THE LAST COUPLE ONES, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, DESERVE A LITTLE BIT AS MUCH ATTENTION AS WE FOCUS ON THE REST OF THE DOCUMENT, I GUESS YOU HAD MENTIONED, YEAH, 18.

THERE'S AN EMERGENCY EMERGENCY.

I MEAN, I APPRECIATE YOU KEPT THIS IN AS WE WROTE IT, BUT, UH, NOW THIS IS THE ONE AREA THAT I THOUGHT WE KIND OF DIDN'T NAIL AS A CORNERSTONE.

, WHICH IS THAT I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN BROADER.

LIKE WE SHOULD HAVE TALKED TALK, TALKED ABOUT GREEN SCHOOLYARDS AND, YOU KNOW, GREEN SCHOOLS, NOT JUST CARBON GARDENING CAMPAIGN FOR SCHOOLS, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THAT, YOU KNOW, SCHOOLS BEING KIND OF THE BEST PLACE TO DEMONSTRATE DECARBONIZATION AND CARBON GARDENING AND, YOU KNOW, GETTING OFF FOSSIL GAS AND ET CETERA, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

YOU KNOW? AND SO THAT IT'S A GREAT PLACE TO GO ALL IN AS A COMMUNITY, UH, TO DEMONSTRATE THESE THINGS.

SO ANYWAY, THAT, THAT'S, I WOULD REWRITE THIS TO BE GREEN SCHOOLYARDS KIND OF.

SO SOUP TO NUTS, YOU KNOW, RESILIENCY CENTERS, COMMUNITY HUBS, ELECTRIFICATION OF BUILDINGS, DEMONSTRATION OF LANDSCAPES, LIKE YEAH, I LIKE THAT.

AND I'M GLAD YOU ADDED RESILIENCY CENTER, BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S COME UP MANY TIMES OVER THE YEARS.

A COOLING, A COOLING PLACE, A PLACE TO GATHER IF THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, EMERGENCY.

LIKE I THINK THE SCHOOLS ARE JUST SO IN INTEGRAL AND, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN DO ANTI-IDLING THINGS THERE AND CARPOOLING AND, YOU KNOW, ANYWAY, IT JUST FEELS LIKE IT'S ONE OF THOSE LEVERS THAT'S A REALLY EFFECTIVE ONE, MAYBE.

BUT MAYBE WE COULD SCRAP THIS ONE AND MAKE IT SCHOOLS AND COMMUNITY CENTERS THAT CAN DO ALL THESE THINGS.

'CAUSE IT ISN'T JUST SCHOOLS.

I MEAN, ESE COULD BE LIKE THAT TOO.

AND UHHUH .

THAT'S TRUE.

I THINK THAT'S TRUE.

I MEAN, I THINK IF PEOPLE, PEOPLE HAVE PLACES TO GO IN THEIR LIFE WHERE THEY CAN SEE ALL THESE THINGS COMING TOGETHER, I THINK IT'S REALLY POWERFUL.

AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, SCHOOLS ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE RUN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PUBLIC FACILITIES ALSO, SO THEY, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY HAVE THAT ACCOUNTABILITY AS WELL.

BUT, UM, I MEAN, IF YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT, IN, IN ONE OF THE GRANTS I WAS LOOKING AT RECENTLY, THEY TALKED ABOUT THIRD PLACES AS PLACES THAT YOU GO TO, TO GATHER AS COMMUNITIES.

UH, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE PLACES OF WARSHIP AS WELL IN, IN ADDITION TO, UH, COMMUNITY CENTERS.

SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE COULD BROADEN THIS TO INCLUDE THOSE, THOSE TYPES OF FACILITIES AS YOU KNOW, AS WE FIND WILLING PARTNERS.

LITERACY PROGRAM, UH, JUST THIS LAST YEAR.

LOVE IT.

DOES EVERYBODY LIKE THAT ONE? OKAY.

JUST TO, UH, ADD THERE, UM, THE SCHOOL'S ALREADY STARTED IN ENVIRONMENTAL

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I KNOW A COUPLE OF US ALREADY PARTICIPATING IN THAT, UH, MEETINGS COMING UP NEXT TUESDAY, UH, FOR THAT.

AND, UH, THERE IT IS ALREADY BASED ON A, UH, PROCLAMATION BY THE SCHOOL BOARD A COUPLE YEARS AGO, THAT CLIMATE CHANGE IS GONNA BE PART OF THE WHOLE EDUCATION SYSTEM.

AND THAT'S BEING BROUGHT BACK AND HAS A LOT MORE SUPPORT THIS TIME THAN THE, THE LAST COUPLE OF TIMES IT'S BEEN TRIED.

SO, UM, RATHER THAN US CREATING IT, WE SHOULD NOT BE CREATING IT.

WE SHOULD BE SUPPORTING THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, WHICH CREATES THIS.

AND SINCE THIS PROGRAM'S ALREADY IN EXISTENCE RIGHT NOW AND, AND BEING WORKED ON, WE JUST NEED TO SUPPORT IT AND, AND PROMOTE IT.

UM, AND, UM, AND MAKE SURE THAT, UH, WE WORK WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR IMPLEMENTING NOT ONLY THEIR EDUCATION PROGRAM, BUT ALSO SUPPORT 'EM IN, UM, THE, THEIR GROUNDS ALSO BECOME GREEN.

LIKE, UH, LIKE WHAT, WHAT WE WANT FOR THE REGENERATIVE GROUNDS, FOR THE LACK OF HERBICIDES, FOR THE, FOR ALL THAT.

SO JUST TAKE OUT THE WORD CREATE AND JUST SAY, SUPPORT THE SCHOOL SYSTEMS ENVIRONMENTAL LITERACY CAMPAIGN AND CLIMATE CHANGE ACTIONS CAMPAIGN, UM, WHICH ALREADY EXISTS, SO WE DON'T NEED TO CREATE IT.

UM, AND JUST, AND WHICH HAS ALL THESE OTHER BENEFITS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN HERE THAT, THAT GET COVERED IN THERE.

UM, BUT THEIR FOCUS IS CLIMATE CHANGE IN THE EDUCATION PART OF IT.

SO WE JUST HAVE TO SUPPORT, WELL, I THINK THE WORDING AS IS, IS GOOD IN 23.

THIS IS CREATE OR SUPPORT.

AND IF INSTEAD OF SCHOOLS AND NEIGHBORHOODS, WE SAY, AS PATRICK SUGGESTS, THIRD PLACES COMMUNITY CENTERS.

SO IT'S MORE INCLUSIVE THAN, IT DEPENDS.

IF IT'S A CITY FACILITY, IT'S, IT'S CREATE.

IF IT'S NOT A CITY FACILITY, IT'S SUPPORT THAT, THAT, THAT'D BE FINE.

THESE MIGHT BE PLACES TO DO, UM, AFFORDABLE EV CHARGERS TOO, YOU KNOW, MAKING SCHOOLS, RESOURCE CENTERS THAT MIGHT BE MORE AFFORDABLE PLACE TO DO THAT.

THAT WAS A LOT OF FEEDBACK, IS YOU, YOU CAN WORK WITH THAT.

UM, I GUESS WE'RE ON THE LAST ONE HERE.

19, AND, WELL, IT'S NOW SEVERAL OF THEM.

, .

UM, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S GOOD TO ME.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.

UM, THERE ARE A COUPLE THINGS THAT I THINK DIDN'T QUITE MAKE IT OVER INTO COLUMN B.

UM, AND AGAIN, MAYBE THE IDEA WAS THERE WOULD SOMEHOW BE EMBEDDED IN THESE, AND I DON'T KNOW, BUT, UM, EI DIDN'T SEE REFLECTED AND FI DIDN'T SEE REFLECTED.

AND IN G UM, IT'S BEEN, UM, LIMITED TO PUBLIC PROPERTY ONLY CITY OWNED PROPERTY ONLY.

AND, UM, SOME OF THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAVE TAKEN THIS APPROACH HAVE INCLUDED, UH, PRIVATE PROPERTY.

I BELIEVE MILL BRAY IS ONE OF THESE.

AND I WOULD LIKE US TO SEE, UH, I'D LIKE TO SEE PETALUMA FOLLOW THAT LEAD.

I CAN ADD A FEW.

OF CASES WHERE USING SYNTHETICS, UH, CHEMICALS SUCH AS MAYBE USING LAUNDRY DETERGENT TO CLEAN YOUR CLOTHES, WHATEVER.

UM, JUST ON, UH, WHERE IT GOES OVER TO 24 FOR ECOLOGY AND ZERO WASTE, UH, WE NEED TO, UM, EMPHASIZE, UM, THE COLLECTION AND, AND COMPOSTING OF ALL ORGANIC WASTE FROM THEIR WASTE MANAGEMENT.

THAT HAS TO BE EMPHASIZED IN THERE.

SO THE WHOLE ORGANIC WASTE AND COMPOSTING NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED, UM, IN, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EDIBLE, NOT JUST EDIBLE FOOD, RECOVER OF RB, BUT ALSO, UH, COMPOSTING OF, OF FOOD WASTE, UM, ORGANIC, ALL ORGANIC WASTE.

THEN ALSO IN THERE, UM, UH, PLASTICS GETTING A PLASTIC REDUCTION PROGRAM GOING, UM, COULD BE ADOPTED.

IT'S A DISPOSABLE FOOD WEAR, UH, ORDINANCE.

UM, SO THE GOAL OF REDUCING SINGLE USE PLASTICS THROUGHOUT WHENEVER POSSIBLE, SO SINGLE USE PLASTICS, UM, WHICH USES LOTS OF CARBON, UH, GETS REDUCED DOWN.

SO WHEREVER WE CAN REDUCE THAT, UM, THROUGH OUR ORDINANCES OR THROUGH OUR PROGRAMS OR EDUCATION.

THEN ON, UH, THE 25, I DIDN'T HAVE, UH, ACTUALLY I SUPPORT THAT, BUT ON 26, UM, UH, THIS IS WHERE I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE WHOLE DEFINITION OF WHAT INTEGRATED PEST MANAGEMENT IS VERSUS THE ELIMINATION OF ALL SYNTHETIC, UM, CHEMICALS.

THE WHOLE POINT OF INTEGRATED PEST MANAGEMENT IS, UH, USING ALL TOOLS IN THE, THE BEST MANAGER POSSIBLE TO GET THE MAXIMUM BENEFIT FROM WITH, WHICH INCLUDES REDUCED CARBON FOOTPRINT.

UM, AND, UH, THERE'S LOTS

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UM, LOTS OF, WE USE HUGE AMOUNTS OF CHEMICALS IN OUR HOUSE AND EVERYTHING.

SO USING CHEMICALS, BANNING THEM OUTRIGHT, IT IS, IT JUST, YOU DON'T EVEN TALK ABOUT IT, IS NO LONGER AN INTEGRATED PEST MANAGEMENT PROGRAM.

IT IS A, UM, COMPLETELY ORGANIC, UM, AND MANUAL LABOR PROGRAM, UH, NO LONGER, YOU CAN'T EVEN CALL IT INTEGRATED AT AT THAT POINT.

SO, UM, IF YOU'RE GONNA GO WITH THE WORDS INTEGRATED PEST MANAGEMENT, PLEASE KNOW, THAT MEANS USING ALL POSSIBLE TOOLS TO, TO GET THE MAXIMUM BENEFIT WITH THE MINIMUM INPUT, WITH THE LEAST DAMAGE, WITH THE MAXIMUM OUTPUT, UM, WHICH INCLUDES, UM, HEALTH FOR HUMANS AND FOR, UM, THE SOIL.

SO IN MANY CASES, SO IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, NO, AN EXAMPLE, NO-TILL FARMING, UM, WHICH CHANGED THE WHOLE SOIL STRUCTURE OF FROM, UM, FROM THE 1930S ON WHICH FINALLY BY 1980 WAS ALMOST, IT WENT FROM 10% USE TO ABOUT 90% USE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE MIDWEST.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF ACRES AND NO-TILL FARMING, UH, WHICH SAVED HUGES AMOUNT OF SOIL AND, AND SOIL HEALTH AND ALL THAT.

TOTALLY.

WHICH IS TOTALLY DEPENDENT ON, UM, CERTAIN HERBICIDES AND INSECTICIDES TO MAKE IT WORK.

SO, UM, AND ARE, ARE YOU PROPOSING TO MODIFIED 26? SO THAT'S A, THIS IS MY SPECIALTY.

SO, YEAH, I MEAN, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR ON WHAT WE'RE ASKING HERE IS, IS THE LANGUAGE, IS, IS OXYMORON, YOU'RE SAYING DON'T USE IPMI SAY IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE GONNA SAY DON'T USE SYNTHETICS, DON'T EVEN USE THE WORDS IPM WELL, THE, IF YOU WANNA GO ORGANIC AND MANUAL PROGRAM, THEN THAT, THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT THING.

THAT'S NOT ABOUT CARBON, UH, REDUCTION OR EMISSION TO REDUCTION, BUT IT'S, I DON'T, IS THERE LIKE A STATE MANDATE TO HAVE THIS TYPE OF DOCUMENT AND IT HAS TO BE CALLED, THIS NAME IS NO.

NO, THIS IS, THIS WAS ONE OF THE COUNCIL'S TOP 10 GOALS, UM, TO UPDATE OUR INTEGRATED PEST MANAGEMENT PLAN.

THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE RECEIVED TO DATE FROM THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS, UM, IS TO INCLUDE THE ELIMINATION OF SYNTHETIC HERBICIDES THAT, UM, IN THAT.

SO, BUT, UH, I MEAN, ULTIMATELY IT'S GONNA GO TO COUNCIL FOR DECISION ON THAT.

SO WE, WE TRY TO BE REFLECTIVE OF WHAT THE FEEDBACK HAS BEEN TODAY, BUT ULTIMATELY COUNSEL WILL MAKE THE DECISION ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

Y UH, JOHN, I THINK, UM, FROM MY EXPERIENCE, IPM PLAN ISN'T ALWAYS THE SAME EVERYWHERE.

SO I THINK THE FACT THAT WE'RE SPECIFYING WE WANNA ELIMINATE THESE THINGS IS PROBABLY THE MOST SIGNIFICANT PIECE.

DO YOU, DO YOU AGREE WITH THE ELIMINATION OF SYNTHETIC HERBICIDES, PESTICIDES, AND FERTILIZERS? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

BECAUSE THEY'RE TOOLS.

JUST LIKE IF YOU'VE GOT SOAP IN YOUR SINK TO WASH YOUR DISHES, YOU ARE USING A SYNTHETIC MATERIAL TO CLEAN YOUR DISHES.

SO YOU WANNA REMOVE SOAP, DO YOU WANNA REMOVE SHAMPOO? DO YOU WANNA REMOVE ALL OF YOUR OTHER CHEMICALS THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR KITCHEN, IN YOUR GARAGE? 'CAUSE IF YOU'RE GONNA DO THIS, YOU MIGHT AS WELL DO ALL THAT TOO.

IF YOU'RE GONNA REMOVE ALL SYNTHETIC CHEMICALS FROM THE WHOLE LANDSCAPE, THEN YOU BETTER GET 'EM OUTTA THE HOUSEHOLDS TOO.

'CAUSE THAT'S THE HIGHER ISSUE.

ENOUGH, MORE RISK AND MORE PROBLEMS AND MORE CANCERS COMING FROM CHEMICALS IN YOUR HOUSE THAN THE CHEMICALS IN THE LANDSCAPE.

SO DO YOU WANNA ELIMINATE ALL YOUR CHEMICALS ENTIRELY? NOT WITHOUT, THAT'S, I MEAN, I GUESS SEEING ALL THE SIGNS AROUND TOWN AND UNDERSTANDING THIS IS LIKE A VERY LARGE TOPIC.

UM, IS IT, IS IT NECESSARY TO HAVE IT BE A CORNERSTONE ACTION? I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO GO BEFORE THE COUNCIL ANYWAY, AND THERE'S ALREADY WORK ON IT IS, I CAN EXPLAIN WHY WE INCLUDED IT AS A PERSONAL ACTION IS, IS BASICALLY THAT THERE'S SO MANY POLLUTANTS THAT ARE, UM, ESSENTIALLY DESTROYING THE HEALTH AND RESILIENCE OF OUR NATURAL SYSTEMS AT THE SAME TIME THAT WE HAVE CLIMATE CHANGE IMPACTING OUR NATURAL SYSTEMS. SO IF WE WANT, YOU KNOW, WILDLIFE POPULATIONS OR POLLINATORS, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT, WE NEED POLLINATORS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REDUCE THE TOXIC LOADING, YOU KNOW, AND SO THE IDEA OF REMOVING THE SPRAYING OF CHEMICALS IN OUTDOOR ENVIRONMENTS IS TO REDUCE THE TOXIC LOADING THAT'S IMPACTING ALREADY IMPACTED POPULATIONS.

BECAUSE THEY'RE SO WELL USED OUT THERE.

WHAT, WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS FROM MY SCIENCE BACKGROUND, WHICH I STUDIED THIS, THERE'S MORE LOADING FROM THE CHEMICALS INSIDE YOUR HOUSE THAN THERE IS FROM ALL THIS STUFF.

AND PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THESE THINGS.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE THE BUGABOOS

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BUT IT'S ACTUALLY FOR, FOR, FOR CITY FOLKS, THE CHEMICALS THAT ARE FROM YOUR FURNITURE UNDER YOUR SINK AND YOUR, THAT YOU'RE PUTTING ON YOUR BODY, YOUR DETERGENTS, WHATEVER IT IS, UH, YOUR, YOUR ANTIPERSPIRANT, ALL THE CHEMICALS THAT YOU USE ON YOUR BODY, ALL THE PRESCRIPTION DRUGS YOU PUT IN YOUR BODY ARE THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF TIMES HIGHER RISK FOR TOXIC LOAD TO YOU PERSONALLY THAN ALL THE PESTICIDES IN THE WORLD.

BUT I'M NOT, WASN'T TALKING THE DATA.

I'VE GOT THE DATA TO SHOW YOU THAT.

NO, BUT THE POINT WAS THE IMPACT ON NATURAL SYSTEMS, NOT ON PEOPLE, AND ALSO WHAT THE CITY CONTROLS VERSUS WHAT RESIDENTS CONTROL.

SO, AND I, AND I, I MEAN, I DO THINK THAT THE, THE, THE IDEA IS TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF POLLUTANTS, BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S CARBON OR ROUNDUP OR, YOU KNOW, UM, ANTIBIOTICS THAT ARE GETTING FLUSHED DOWN THE TOILET OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT IS THAT WE WE'RE MORE MINDFUL OF THE AMOUNT OF POLLUTANTS THAT WE'RE PUTTING OUT INTO AN ARMY STRESS ENVIRONMENT.

I'M, I'M, I'M SAYING THAT'S AN URBAN MYTH.

AND THE, AND THE REAL TOXINS ARE THE ASPHALT IN YOUR ROOF, ASPHALT ON THE ROADS, RUBBER ON YOUR TIRES, THE CHEMICALS IN THE SEATS THAT YOU SIT ON IN YOUR FURNITURE AND IN YOUR CAR, AND ALL THE PLASTICS IN YOUR CAR.

THAT'S WHERE THE POLLUTANTS ARE COMING FROM.

SO, UM, SO I'M SAYING IF YOU WANNA BALANCE IT, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT ALL THE CHEMICALS, NOT JUST A SPECIFIC CATEGORY THAT, THAT PEOPLE ARE BLAMING UNNEC, UH, INAPPROPRIATELY.

SO WOULD IT WORK TO CHANGE THE TERM SYNTHETIC TO TOXIC SLASH POLLUTING? UH, YEAH, THAT, WELL, THAT, YEAH, THOSE ARE EASILY ELIMINATED.

'CAUSE THAT'S NOT PART OF THE, THE WHAT, WHAT GET WOULD GET USED.

I MEAN, THAT, THAT, THAT SOLVE MY ISSUE.

I, I LOOK FORWARD TO THE CITY COUNCIL DECISION ON THE TOPIC.

UM, CAN I, CAN I ALSO JUST SAY GOOD J GOOD JOB ON COMING UP WITH AN INNOVATIVE SOLUTION THERE IN ? YES.

I JUST, AS, AS AN ECONOMIST, UM, FROM THAT WORLD, UM, CITY THOUGHT VERSUS, UH, RURAL THOUGHT IS, IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT ON THIS SUBJECT.

UM, I, I, I HEARD A COMPROMISE AND I WILL KEEP IT.

AND ON 25, THE PART ABOUT THE ALLOWING EQUIPMENT TO BE CHARGED THROUGH THE DAY IS THAT, WHAT IS THAT? AND I DON'T LIKE THE WORD BAN.

AND I THINK TWO MEETINGS AGO IT WAS LIKE, IMPLEMENT A PUBLIC SAFETY THING TO PHASE OUT, OR I DON'T, IT'S, THIS IS THE, THIS IS NUMBER 25 IS WHEN WE'RE GONNA GET THE UNNAMED PEOPLE THAT CAME EARLIER TODAY WITH PITCHFORKS.

UM, SO TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE WITH THIS, I THINK THERE'S AN EQUAL NUMBER OF PEOPLE PRETTY MUCH READY TO BAN THEM AS IT'S, I MEAN, YEAH.

YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THE, WHEN THE PL WAS FIRST, WE HAD TWO OR THREE PUBLIC COMMENTS TRYING TO ADVOCATE THAT THIS HAPPENED QUICKER.

I THINK WE SOMEWHAT, WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF WE MET THEIR DESIRE TO HAVE IT HAPPEN QUICKER, BUT I GUESS FIRST QUESTION ON THE ELECTRIC CHARGING THROUGHOUT THE DAY.

WHAT WAS THAT? YEAH, SO WE OFTEN FIND IN TALKING TO CONTRACTORS, ONE OF OUR STAFF WHO'S, UH, THEIR PARTNER WORKS FOR A CONTRACTING COMPANY AND THEY'VE, THEY'VE TRANSITIONED TO ELECTRIC, UM, EQUIPMENT, IS THAT THEY NEED PLACES TO CHARGE 'EM DURING THE DAY.

, RIGHT? BECAUSE SOME, FOR SOME OF THEIR WORK, THEY'RE, THEY'LL U THEY'LL BLOW THROUGH THEIR BATTERIES QUICKLY AND THEY NEED TO CHARGE THEM.

SO THAT'S OFTEN A BARRIER FOR CONTRACTED LANDSCAPING COMPANIES WHO ARE DOING A LOT OF THE WORK IN THE COMMUNITY.

SO IT ACTUALLY IS A, IT'S A PRETTY BIG ISSUE FOR THEM.

UM, AND THEN I WOULD JUST SAY ON THE BANNING OF GAS POWERED LAWN AND GARDEN EQUIPMENT, IT DID COME FROM THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE AD HOC COMMITTEE.

I WILL SAY, UM, IT WAS PROBABLY ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED MOST FREQUENTLY IN THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, UM, FROM THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A PARTICULAR, UM, GROUP OF FOLKS WHO WERE COMMENTING, BUT THERE WERE A LOT OF COMMENTS SPECIFICALLY, UH, SUPPORTING THAT EFFORT.

I WONDER IF THE WORD FACILITATING MIGHT BE BETTER THAN ALLOWING, 'CAUSE ALLOWING SOUNDS LIKE PERMIT, LIKE MAYBE OTHERWISE IT WOULD BE DISALLOWED.

UM, AND AS FOR BAN, COULD WE SAY IMPLEMENT A PHASE OUT PLAN FOR PHASE OUT? YEAH.

I MEAN, I LIKE LANGUAGE BETTER.

I ALSO THINK COUNCIL MEMBER RI, THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO GET YOUR BATTERY PROGRAM

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SWAPPING THING GOING.

SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO SAY THAT HERE IN NUMBER 25, BUT IF THAT IS THE BEST PRACTICE TO ALLOW TO, TO FACILITATE LIKE A BATTERY SWAPPING STATION, THEN WE SHOULD DO THAT AND BE ONE OF THE FIRST CITIES TO DO THAT.

UM, YEAH.

SO WE'RE NOT, UH, STANDARDIZED IN, UH, WHICH BATTERIES TO USE FOR WHICH PIECES OF EQUIPMENT.

SO WE CAN'T DO A BATTERY SWAPPING STATION YET AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

BUT JUST FACILITATE, OR, UH, WOULD BE A GOOD WORD TO USE JUST FOR, UM, FOR OUR CITY, BECAUSE THE, THIS TALK TO THE MAINTENANCE FOLKS HERE IN THE CITY WHO, OR WOULD LIKE TO SWITCH, WHO, WHO THINKING THEY MIGHT HAVE TO SWITCH OVER.

THEY DON'T WANT TO RIGHT NOW, BUT THE, IF THEY HAVE TO, UM, THEY'RE GONNA NEED TO CARRY, UH, A MINIMUM OF FOUR BATTERIES PER, UH, BLOWER AND MORE FOR IF, FOR, IF YOU'VE GOT EDGERS AND THE LIKE, UM, TO DO THAT, UH, OR A COUPLE THOUSAND FEET OF CORD TO, TO BULK OR TO CARRY AROUND.

SO, UM, TRYING TO FACILITATE SO THAT THERE IS, UM, CHARGING, SO WE EVEN CHARGING THROUGH VEHICLES IF THERE, UH, WHATEVER IT IT TAKES WITHIN OUR CITY STAFF SO THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE THAT INCLUDED IN OUR CHARGING STATIONS WOULD BE ACTUALLY CHARGING STATION FOR THOSE.

I MEAN, I, I THINK THIS LANGUAGE SUGGESTIONS IS GETTING THROUGH, YOU KNOW, LIKE FACILITATE AND COORDINATE VERSUS ALLOW.

UM, SO THAT CLARIFIED MY COMMENT.

MY LAST, UH, PIECE HERE, I GUESS WE CAN DO, AND WE HAVE TWO, TWO THINGS STILL ON THE AGENDA I GUESS, BUT, UM, I THINK WE ADDED A NUMBER.

THERE WAS LIKE AN OMITTED NUMBER, BUT WE POTENTIALLY MERGED ONE.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE CARES THAT THE CORNERSTONE ACTION LIST BE LIKE AROUND 30 OR A CLEAN 25 IF DO PEOPLE, I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT CARES ABOUT THAT.

, UM, , UH, NOTED.

UM, OKAY.

, WE JUST WANNA GO TO SLEEP.

UH,

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THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS COMMISSION MEMBER COMMENT.

I WILL START ON MY RIGHT.

COMMISSION MEMBER ASHLEY, UH, UH, NO COMMENT.

NO COMMENT.

UH, I WILL MAKE THE COMMENT.

WE ARE DOING SOME COORDINATION WITH, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY IN INCLUDING THE SCHOOLS AND COOL PETALUMA TO IDENTIFY, UH, YOUTH COMMISSION CANDIDATES.

SO, UM, WE HAVE TWO VACANCIES FOR THE NEXT ROUND OF APPOINTMENTS.

WE ARE WORKING ACTIVELY TO RECRUIT SOME, YOU KNOW, YOUTH COMMISSION MEMBERS WHO WILL STICK IT OUT FOR THEIR TERM.

SO DID YOU WANNA, YEAH, SORRY.

I DID HAVE ONE COMMENT THAT I WROTE DOWN.

I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I THINK THAT THIS, THE SYNTHESIS THAT YOU GUYS DID WAS, UM, PRETTY GREAT.

AND, UM, I LOVE THAT YOU HAD, LIKE, THE WAY THAT YOU STRUCTURED IT EVEN WAS SO EASY TO READ AND LIKE WITH THE INTENT ON THE ONE SIDE AND LIKE THE YEAH.

SO I JUST WANTED TO LIKE, ACKNOWLEDGE LIKE HOW MUCH WORK WAS PUT INTO THAT AND HOW YOU REALLY WERE TAKING IN PEOPLE'S FEEDBACK AND, AND THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT AND MAKING IT VERY CLEAR FOR US TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU DID.

THAT'S IT.

UH, THAT WAS MY COMMISSION ON THE YOUTH COMMISSION.

DAVE, COUNCIL MEMBER SHRI.

AND, UM, UH, JUST THE TAKEAWAY BESIDES THE ROADS, UM, BEING SEVERELY, UM, UN UN WHAT WE WOULD CALL COUNTRY ROADS, THEY CALL HIGHWAYS, BUT ALSO JUST LOOKING AT THEIR INFRASTRUCTURES AND WHAT THEY HAVE THE CAPACITY TO TRANSITION.

JUST, UH, UM, WE DO HAVE THE, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL LITERACY EDUCATION GROUP, UH, FOR THE SCHOOL, UH, FOR THE PETAL SCHOOL SYSTEM MEETING NEXT TUESDAY.

UM, I JUST WAS, UH, LAST NIGHT, WENT TO THE MEETING BY, UH, RELIEF, WHICH IS, UH, HAS FIR, EXCUSE ME, HAD ITS FIRST, UM, MEETING ABOUT THE, UH, MILLION DOLLAR GRANT THAT WAS RECEIVED AND TO PRESENT TO THE PUBLIC THE FIRST PHASE OF WHAT'S GONNA BE WORKED ON.

AND IT'S GOING TO BE THE EAST SIDE WALKWAY THAT GOES FROM CORONA ROAD ALL THE WAY TO, UM, IN CASA GRANDE ROAD ALL THE WAY TO CORONA SCHOOL.

AND THERE'S, UM, SEVERAL PATCHES OF CITY OWNED LAND, UH, ALONG THE PATH.

SO THE PATH AND THAT LANDSCAPE OVER THE NEXT THREE TO FIVE YEARS WILL BE PLANTED MOSTLY IN SMALLER TREES, UH, WHICH ALLOW THEM TO TAKE THE TIME TO GROW AND WORKING WITH THE CITY TO MANAGE THAT.

SO ANYWAY, THAT WAS THE FIRST MEETING, UM, BUT IT'S GONNA BE ESSENTIALLY RE OAKING, UH, PETALUMA WITH 750 OAK TREES, PLUS POSSIBLY A LOT MORE AS THE FIRST PHASE OF THAT GRANT, BUT THERE'S GONNA BE OTHER PHASES WITH RESIDENTIAL, SO THAT, THAT'S ALL A GOOD THING.

UM, AND JUST TO, UM, JUST FOR MY, UH, AS I SAID, I WAS ON A VOYAGE AND I GOT TO VISIT FOUR OTHER CITIES, UH, GOING AROUND

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LIKE WE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE.

UM, I THINK IT'S HUGELY MARVEL THAT WE ARE DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.

IT'S, IT'S HUGE WHAT WE'RE DOING.

WE HAVE THE ABILITY, WE HAVE THE ADAPTABILITY, BUT IT'S GONNA BE VERY HARD FOR THE CITIES THAT I VISITED TO, UM, TO TRANSITION LIKE WE ARE.

AND, UM, SO ANYWAY, I JUST THOUGHT, UH, I WAS TOTALLY IMPRESSED BY WHAT A GREAT CITY WE HAVE, UM, HERE AND THE RESOURCE WE HAVE, THE STAFF, THE MONIES, THE POPULATION, UH, EDUCATED POPULATION, UM, AND THE ABILITY TO DO EVERYTHING WE DO HERE.

SO I, I'M SO GRATEFUL TO BE HERE, .

SO I'LL JUST LEAVE WITH THAT.

I DID HAVE ONE THOUGHT I'D LIKE TO SHARE ABOUT THE YOUTH COMMISSIONERS SINCE, UM, WE HAVEN'T BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL IN RETAINING THEM AND RETAINING THEIR ENGAGEMENT SO FAR.

I WONDERED IF IN RECRUITING WE COULD BE VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT THE DATES OF MEETINGS, THE LENGTHS OF MEETINGS, UM, THE NEED FOR THEM TO PROVIDE FOR THEIR OWN TRANSPORTATION, THE EXPECTATION OF THEM PARTICIPATING IN AD HOCS IN ADDITION TO MEETINGS AND, UM, LENGTH OF TERM, UH, JUST, YOU KNOW, REALLY TRY AND TIGHTEN THE THUMB SCREWS A LITTLE BIT SO THAT, AND YOU KNOW, LIKE IF YOU ARE IN SPORTS, DON'T BOTHER.

IF YOU'RE IN BAND, DON'T BOTHER.

I, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THIS HAS JUST NOT BEEN REALISTIC.

SO PERSONALLY, I WOULD PROBABLY SAY I WOULD CONSIDER IT A FAILED EXPERIMENT AND NOT BOTHER.

BUT IF WE'RE GONNA BOTHER, I THINK WE NEED TO BE REALLY, REALLY CLEAR THAT THIS IS A SERIOUS COMMITMENT.

OH, AND ALSO THEY SHOULD BE WILLING TO COME PREPARED WITH OPINIONS, YOU KNOW, TO COME PREPARED TO REPRESENT WHAT THE STUDENT POPULATION'S SENTIMENTS ARE ON THESE ISSUES.

JUST, JUST, YOU KNOW, FLESH OUT THE EXPECTATION AS THOROUGHLY AS POSSIBLE TO IMPROVE THE LIKELIHOOD OF SUCCESS.

UH, COMMISSIONER MEMBER ASHLEY, WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE GROUP THAT HAS THE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE SCHOOLS? AND THEY HAVE LIKE 12 A DOZEN INTERNS OR SOMETHING? CT E, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? WHAT'S THAT? CTE, IS THAT? NAH, IS THAT IT? DAN OSTERMAN.

WHAT WAS THE NAME OF THE GROUP THOUGH? IT WAS LIKE CLIMATE ACTION FOR SCHOOLS.

OH, RIGHT, YEAH, YEAH.

CLIMATE ACTION FOR SCHOOLS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO ANYWAY, THERE'S LIKE A DOZEN INTERNS THAT HAVE RAISED THEIR HAND AND ARE LIKE FULL ON INTERNS AT THE SCHOOLS WORKING WITH THE SCHOOLS TO HELP THE SCHOOLS DO CLIMATE ACTION.

AND SO THE IDEA IS TO RECRUIT FROM THAT POOL OF INTERNS OR THOSE INTERNS THEMSELVES, HIGH SCHOOLERS.

WHAT IS THE TERM FOR THE HIGH SCHOOL? UH, FOR THE, IT'S IN THE, I THINK IT'S TWO YEARS, OR THE YOUTH COMMISSION MEMBERS, BECAUSE MAYBE WE SHOULD CHANGE IT TO ONE.

YEAH, I THINK ONE, YEAH.

DID WE REDUCE IT TO ONE YEAR WE HAD TO AMEND THE BYLAWS OR IT TOOK A COUNCIL ACTION TO ADD THE COMMISSION MEMBERS.

SO ANY CHANGES TO THAT, IT'S ALSO GONNA NEED TO GO TO COUNCIL.

UM, AND, AND YOU KNOW, I I, THIS ISN'T ON THE AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION, BUT I JUST NEVER THOUGHT FOR, IF THAT DOES COME UP AGAIN AS POTENTIALLY INCLUDING A CHANGE TO THE AGE REQUIREMENTS THAT IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, IT COULD EVEN INCLUDE COLLEGE STUDENTS.

I MEAN, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S MORE FLEXIBILITY THERE POTENTIALLY, AND JUST AS MUCH INVESTMENT IN THE FUTURE AS SOMEBODY THAT'S TWO YEARS YOUNGER THAN THEM.

SO YEAH, THAT'S, I MEAN, IS IT REALISTIC TO GET THAT DONE BEFORE THE NEXT RECRUITMENT CYCLE? I BELIEVE RECRUITMENT'S GONNA START THIS SPRING.

UM, YEAH.

SO I MEAN, WE CAN, WE CAN TRY TO BE CREATIVE IF OKAY.

IF WE HEAR AGAIN, THAT GOES BACK TO THE, YOU TELL US WHAT, AND WE'LL TRY AND FIGURE OUT HOW, SO IF THAT'S A PRIORITY FOR THE .

I MEAN, SHORTENING THE TERM IS, YOU KNOW, A NICE TO HAVE.

'CAUSE YOU COULD ALWAYS FILL A VACANCY ANNUALLY, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S, I THINK WHAT WE'VE DONE, OR AT LEAST WHAT WE NEED TO DO, THE AGE BUMP IS I THINK WOULD BE PRETTY EFFECTIVE.

UM, YEAH.

AND I THINK HAVING A TWO YEAR, MAYBE THERE'S SOME KIND OF YEAH, CREATIVE FUDGING AROUND THE LANGUAGE THAT WOULD ENABLE US MAYBE TO GET MORE IF HIGH SCHOOL SENIORS, AT LEAST IF, IF IT'S ASSUMED TO BE A TWO YEAR, THEN WE'D ONLY GET JUNIORS.

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SO, YEAH.

OR, OR SENIORS THAT WANT TO STAY LOCAL TO GO TO COLLEGE OR, OR WHATEVER.

BUT YEAH.

UNDERSTOOD.

I THINK ONE YEAR IS IT'S MUCH MORE REALISTIC.

THE LAST ITEM IS THE STAFF

[STAFF COMMENT]

REPORT.

THE STAFF COMMENT.

UM, I HAVE A LOT TO REPORT, BUT I THINK IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I'LL TRY AND LIMIT IT.

UM, SO , WITH ALL THESE CORNERSTONE ACTIONS, WE JUST SPENT THE PAST FOUR HOURS DISCUSSING, UM, THERE IS A LOT ACTUALLY HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.

UM, AND A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE'RE VERY PROUD ABOUT.

UH, I KNOW THAT THE CHAIR REQUESTED INFORMATION ABOUT THE SECO ENERGY AUDITS, WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL OUR DIFFERENT FACILITIES AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN BOTH, UM, YOU KNOW, DO ENERGY CONSERVATION, ENERGY EFFICIENCY, RENEWABLE ENERGY, UH, FUEL SWITCHING, THAT'S WELL UNDERWAY.

UM, I THINK WE'RE JUST ABOUT TO THE, GETTING THE RESULTS OF THE INVESTMENT GRADE AUDIT.

UM, THE PRELIMINARY, UM, RESULTS ARE LOOKING LIKE A FOCUS ON ABOUT EIGHT OR NINE, UM, MEASURES, WHICH INCLUDE THE BUILDING, LIGHTING AND CONTROLS, UH, TRANSFORMERS, UPGRADES, UM, HEAT PUMPS, UH, HEATERS FOR EMERGENCY GENERATORS.

UM, SO THERE'S APPARENTLY, YOU KNOW, EMERGENCY GENERATORS NEED A, A HEATING SOURCE, AND SOME OF THOSE LARGER ONES CAN BE CONVERTED TO HEAT PUMPS TO PROVIDE THAT HEAT INSTEAD OF, UM, YOU KNOW, OTHER METHODS, UH, JUST BROADLY, UH, HVAC HEATING, VENTILATION AND AIR CONDITIONING, UM, UPGRADES, UH, INCLUDING FUEL SWITCHING FROM NATURAL GAS TO HEAT PUMPS, UH, BUILDING ENVELOPE MEASURES INCLUDING WINDOW FILM, UM, BUILDING MANAGEMENT SYSTEM UPGRADES, PLUG LOAD CONTROLS.

SO INDIVIDUAL, UM, PLUGS INSIDE THERE, HAVING MORE CONTROL OVER THOSE AND TRYING TO ELIMINATE PHANTOM LOADS AND, AND LOADS THAT DON'T NEED TO BE GOING, UM, ON OFF HOURS AND SUCH.

AND WATER CONSERVATION, BECAUSE THERE'S A, A NEXUS BETWEEN THE AMOUNT OF WATER USED AND ENERGY USED TO BOTH, YOU KNOW, BRING THAT WATER THERE AND, UH, PROCESS IT AFTERWARDS.

SO THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE THE MAIN, UM, MEASURES WE'RE LOOKING AT.

UM, AND THEY WOULD BE, UH, THROUGHOUT CITY FACILITIES.

UM, SO WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT MEASURES THAT WE CAN KIND OF PACKAGE TOGETHER.

WE'RE NOT SURE IF IT'S GONNA BE LIKE, OKAY, HERE'S EVERYTHING IN CITY HALL AND THAT'S A, THAT'S A BID, OR IF IT'S LIKE LIGHTING FOR THE WHOLE CITY, AND WE'LL PACKAGE THAT TOGETHER.

WE HAVEN'T KIND OF DECIDED ON THAT APPROACH, BUT THAT WILL, THAT SHOULD BE COMING SOON.

UM, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LIKE BRING THE RESULTS OR THAT TO THIS COMMISSION? I WAS GONNA SAY, AND, AND ALSO TO LOOK AT THE ECONOMICS OF THAT, AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF NOTHING ELSE DAYLIGHT IT TO, UM, TO THE COMMISSION AND, UM, YOU KNOW, YEAH, I UNDERSTAND.

I, WE, WE HAD A HUGE CONVERSATION AROUND THE, LIKE 85% BUILDING , YOU KNOW, AND IT'S LIKE, IF WE, WE, HERE'S THE CITY, HERE'S THE NUMBERS, AND IT'S LIKE VERY APPROACHABLE.

SO WE'RE GONNA PILOT ONE OF THOSE WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, AND A SECOND ONE IF POSSIBLE, SO THAT WE CAN GET MULTIPLE, YOU KNOW, UH, CYCLES THROUGH THE SHIFTS THERE.

SO I, I, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE A, A REASONABLE THING.

I, I DON'T KNOW TIMING, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'LL BE READY FOR NEXT MONTH OR, OR WHAT, BUT, UM, I, I WILL, IF IT IS AVAILABLE NEXT WEEK, NEXT MONTH AND, AND, AND I CAN BRING IT, THEN I WILL.

UM, SWITCHING GEARS FROM SIZER CO.

UM, WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH A COMPANY CALLED WILLAN TO DO WATER HEATER REPLACEMENTS.

SO, UH, HEAT PUMP WATER HEATERS, REPLACING NATURAL GAS WATER HEATERS ALL THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

UM, THERE'S SOMETHING LIKE 20 SOME ODD WATER HEATERS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE REPLACING, UM, THROUGH THAT PROGRAM, LOW COST AND OR NO COST, UM, FOR THAT TO THE CITY.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF A HUGE, AND THAT'S THROUGH A, A, A PG E PROGRAM? WELL, THERE'S A, A VARIETY OF FUNDING SOURCES, BUT PG E PROVIDED THE FUNDING FOR WILLAN, AND WE WERE ABLE TO P PIGGYBACK ON THAT, UM, UH, PROCUREMENT THAT PROCESS TO, TO GET THEM TO HELP US.

UM, BUT IT'S, IT'S LOOKING PRETTY GOOD ON THAT.

UM, SO I THINK WE'RE, UM, YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE MOVING FORWARD ON THAT.

THAT IS GONNA HAPPEN THIS YEAR, SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

UH, LOTS OF STUFF WITH EVS.

I, I DON'T KNOW.

AND, UM, MY, UH, ATTENTION SPAN IS WANING RIGHT NOW.

, WE HAVE EV MASTER PLAN UNDERWAY WITH MV FIVE.

UM, AS WAS DISCUSSED, WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING INTO, UM, DESIGNS ON THOSE FACILITIES, UH, TO SUPPORT OUR FULL BUILD OUT OF EVS.

WE CONTINUE TO PURCHASE EVS WHERE IT'S PRACTICAL AND WHERE WE HAVE THE FUNDING FOR IT.

ONE OF THE MORE EXCITING ONES LATELY IS, UM, THE, UH, CHEVY BLAZER EV HAS GOTTEN ITS PURSUIT, UH, READY CERTIFICATION.

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UM, WE'LL, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL SEE.

UM, BUT AT LEAST ONE, UM, I THINK WE'VE, WE'RE EITHER HAVE PLACED THAT ORDER OR GOING TO BE VERY SHORTLY.

UM, AND WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OTHER POOL EV CARS, UM, FOR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT THAT ARE GONNA BE REPLACING, UH, ONE BROKEN VEHICLE AND ANOTHER, UH, FOSSIL FUEL GASOLINE VEHICLE.

SO WE DO THAT AS WE CAN, UM, ON THE SOLAR REALM, THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND SPORT COMMUNITY SPORTS FIELD.

UM, IF YOU'VE BEEN BY THERE LATELY, YOU'VE SEEN THE SOLAR, UH, ARRAYS THAT HAVE GONE UP THERE, THOSE CANOPIES, UM, ABOVE THE FIELD IN THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND, UM, YEAH, NEAR THE BASEBALL DIAMONDS AT THE COMMUNITY SPORTS FIELD.

I BELIEVE THAT WE'RE JUST, UM, ONE OF THE LAST THINGS IN THERE IS TRYING TO GET THE INTERCONNECT SCHEDULED WITH PG E UM, WE HAVE TO SHUT DOWN THE COMMUNITY CENTER TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

AND WE THOUGHT WE HAD A DATE AND HAD, YOU KNOW, CLOSED THE COMMUNITY CENTER, BUT PG E UM, WASN'T ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE US.

I'M SEEING LAUGHING UP THERE.

SO THIS DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A UNIQUE STORY TO US, BUT IT'S REALLY READY TO INTERCONNECT THOUGH.

IT'S VERY, IT, YEAH, I THINK WE, WE, WE WOULD HAVE, UM, INTERCONNECTED, UM, AT THE END OF LAST MONTH FOR, UH, COMMUNITY CENTER AND IT WOULD'VE BEEN THIS WEEK FOR THE COMMUNITY SPORTS FIELD.

UM, BUT IT'S LOOKING LIKE, UM, I THINK THE WEEK OF, UM, PRESIDENT'S DAY FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER IS WHEN WE'RE GONNA INTERCONNECT.

UM, THERE'LL BE SOME REMAINING, UM, PUNCH LIST LIST ITEMS. I THINK THEY TORE UP SOME OF THE TURF AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER, AND THAT'S GONNA BE REALLY HARD TO REPAIR RIGHT NOW DURING ALL THIS MUDDINESS OUT THERE.

SO THAT MIGHT LINGER A LITTLE BIT LONGER.

THE FENCES MAY STAY UP TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM, YOU KNOW, FURTHER GETTING INTO THAT.

BUT I, I BELIEVE THE PARKING SPACES HAVE ALMOST ALL, UM, REOPENED THERE.

UM, MUCH TO THE HAPPINESS OF THE FARMER'S MARKET, FOLKS THAT WERE HAVING TO FIND DIFFERENT PARKING IN AN ALREADY CONSTRAINED PLACE, UM, WITH THE, UH, SWIM CENTER AND POLICE DEPARTMENT.

WE'RE HOPING THOSE PROJECTS CAN MOVE FORWARD THIS YEAR.

I COULD GIVE MORE DETAILS, BUT YEAH, THAT, LET ME KNOW IF YOU WANT THE, THE STORY ON, ON, ON THAT.

THE SWIM CENTER IS, I THINK THE BIGGER SEPARATE PROJECT ALSO WITH THE WATER BOILER.

AND THEY'RE NOT LINKED, BUT THERE ARE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS ALIGN THE SWIM CENTER WITH THE REPLASTERING OF THE POOL, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CLOSE DOWN THE POOL AT THAT POINT ANYHOW.

AND IF WE DON'T DO IT TOGETHER, THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LIKE CLOSE DOWN TRAFFIC ON JOHNSON AVENUE AND IT'LL ADD TO THE COST, UM, TO THAT PROJECT.

IF WE CAN ALIGN THAT, AND THAT'S LOOKING LIKE IT MIGHT HAPPEN THIS FALL, UM, THAT'LL BRING DOWN SOME OF THE COST AS WELL.

SO THAT, THAT IS THE HEATING FOR THE SWIM CENTER PART OF THE SCISSOR CO THAT, UH, IS GOING TO BE A SEPARATE PROJECT.

THERE'S ANOTHER COMPANY WHOSE NAME I'M BLANKING ON RIGHT NOW.

UM, WE'RE TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO DO THAT MORE ECONOMICALLY THAN THE $2 MILLION PROJECT THAT WE'VE DID WITH WILLAN PREVIOUSLY.

SOLAR THERMAL IS A NO BRAINER THERE.

BUT I, SO TO CONTINUE ON THE SOLAR PART BEFORE I TOTALLY LOSE MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT.

UM, I'VE BEEN WORKING 14 HOURS AT THIS POINT.

UM, I, I THINK YOU'RE ALL SYMPATHETIC TOO, BECAUSE YOU'VE ALL BEEN UP ALL DAY AND WORKING ALSO, BUT, UM, THERE WERE GONNA BE SUBSTATION UPGRADES THAT WERE NEEDED FROM THAT, BUT OUR PROJECT TOOK SO LONG THAT SOMEBODY ELSE TOOK CARE OF THOSE FOR US.

SO NOW WE'RE MOVING FULL SPEED AHEAD ON THE SWIM CENTER, UM, WHICH IS EXCITING.

AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, NEEDED A TRANSFORMER UPGRADE AND I THINK WE'RE ALL BUT, UM, DECIDED ON A NEW LOCATION FOR THAT.

THAT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S GONNA BE FEASIBLE.

UM, WE'VE ALREADY STARTED THE PER PULLING PERMITS ON THAT ONE.

UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE, IF IT WORKS TO ALIGN THOSE, UM, FOR THE, YOU KNOW, MOBILIZATION AND DEMOBILIZATION KIND OF CONCURRENT LIKE WE DID FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND THE SPORTS FIELD, WE'RE GONNA TRY AND MAKE THAT HAPPEN, UH, FOR THOSE TWO PROJECTS.

AND FLOATING SOLAR IS STILL GOING AWAY.

WE'RE APPROACHING OUR 60% DESIGN ON THAT.

UM, WE HAD TO DO SOME REDESIGN DUE TO FEEDBACK WE GOT FROM THE MARIN SONOMA MOSQUITO AND VECTOR CONTROL DISTRICT.

UM, AND THAT, UM, UH, WE NEEDED TO AMEND THE AGREEMENT AND THAT'S GONNA BE COMING TO COUNCIL AT THE FEBRUARY 26TH AGENDA.

AND I THINK THAT'S ALL MY BRAIN HAS CAPACITY FOR AT THIS POINT.

UH, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED AT 10:37 PM

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