* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] WELCOME EVERYBODY. THIS IS THE REGULAR [CALL TO ORDER] SCHEDULED MEETING OF THE TREE ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THE CITY OF PETALUMA. AND WE'LL START WITH ROLL CALL EWING. HERE. KUSON HERE. OBEYED HERE. OH, THAT WAS FOR, UM, COMMITTEE MEMBER. COMMITTEE MEMBER OBEYED. UH, FORM B. HERE. COVERT. HERE. MCLA. HERE. BERTELLI. THANK YOU. [GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT] UH, THANK YOU. I WILL START WITH PUBLIC COMMENT. MARILYN ELIAS. OH, ARE YOU MARILYN? NO. NOT SEEING ANY. MARILYN. WE'LL START WITH, UH, ANY MORE PUBLIC COMMENT. ERIC, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, I'M HERE TODAY, UH, WITH A RELIEF PETALUMA SUPPORT OF STRONG PROTECTION FOR OUR TREES. UM, AT YOUR JANUARY MEETING, UH, WE HEARD YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT THE NEW DRAFT TREE PROTECTION ORDINANCE. UH, WE UNDERSTAND HOW SOME PROPERTY OWNERS MAY FEEL THAT A PERMIT REQUIREMENT TO REMOVE A TREE IS AN UNFAIR IMPOSITION BECAUSE NUMBER ONE, THEY OWN THEIR OWN PROPERTY. AND NUMBER TWO, THEY'RE PERFECTLY CAPABLE OF MANAGING THEIR OWN TREES. SOME OF THE FEEDBACK WE HEARD, UH, FOR US, THOSE ARE UNDERSTANDABLE CONCERNS. WE SHOULD REALLY HAVE A STRONG JUSTIFICATION FOR ADDING REGULATIONS. I THINK EVERYONE HERE, AND, AND, AND MANY OF US AGREE THAT TREES ARE IMPORTANT FOR A MYRIAD OF REASONS. SOME OF THOSE ARE SHADE, CLEAN AIR AND WATER. THEY'RE CALMING EFFECTS. THEY SUPPORT BIODIVERSITY, NOT TO MENTION BEAUTY AND ENHANCED PROPERTY VALUES. AND OF COURSE, LET'S NOT FORGET THE VITAL ROLE TREES PLAY IN SEQUESTERING CARBON. WE ARE NOT EACH OF US ON AN ISLAND. WE SHOP AND WE WORK AND WE WALK AND WE PLAY IN PETALUMA, UH, AMONG EACH OTHER. WE RELY ON EACH OTHER FOR THE AMENITIES ALL OVER TOWN THAT WE ENJOY. AND WE WANT TO, UH, BENEFIT. UH, WE WANT THESE BENEFITS TO EXIST THROUGHOUT THE TOWN, NOT JUST ON OUR PROPERTY. THAT'S WHY WE NEED A TREE ORDINANCE. OF COURSE, NOBODY LIKES TO HAVE TO GET AND PAY FOR PERMITS, BUT WE DO IT BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE TOWN WE LIVE IN HERE IN PETALUMA, BOTH FOR OUR OWN WELLBEING AND FOR THAT OF OUR NEIGHBORS. WE GET PERMITS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, FOR SPRINKLER SYSTEMS, GAS OR ELECTRICAL CHAR CHANGES, GARAGE CONVERSIONS, CARBON MONOXIDE ALARMS, NEW ROOFS, NEW FENCES, HANDRAILS AND STAIRS, KITCHEN REMODELS, SEWER LATERALS, A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF. AND WE DO THIS TO BENEFIT OURSELVES, BUT ALSO OUR NEIGHBORS. UH, YOU KNOW, SO WE THINK A TREE PROTECTION ORDINANCE THAT ENCOURAGES US TO THINK CAREFULLY ABOUT REMOVING TREES ON OUR PROPERTY IS AT LEAST AS IMPORTANT AS THESE OTHER REQUIREMENTS FOR BOTH OURSELVES AND FOR OUR NEIGHBORS. AND CRITICALLY IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY TO ACHIEVE THAT GOAL OF A COOLER, HEALTHIER, AND CLIMATE RESILIENT. PETALUMA, AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, ERIC. ANY MORE PUBLIC COMMENT? WENDY? THANK YOU. DEAR COMMITTEE MEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR ROBUST DISCUSSION AT THE LAST, UH, TAC MEETING ABOUT THE DRAFT TREE PROTECTION ORDINANCE. ONE PORTION OF OUR CONVERSATION CENTERED AROUND THE SIZE AND SIGNIFICANCE OF SIX INCH TREES. I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT WITH YOU FOR JUST A MOMENT AND ENCOURAGE YOU TO START OBSERVING THE SIZE OF TREES AND TO NOTICE THE PHOTOGRAPH THAT WE'VE INCLUDED TO GROUND YOU WHEN YOU LOOK AT THEM. SO YOU ARE MORE AWARE OF WHAT A SIX INCH TREE, UM, THE IMPORTANCE OF A SIX INCH TREE. TYPICALLY, THEY ARE 10 TO 15 YEARS OLD, HIGHLY DEVELOPED WITH A MEANINGFUL SHADE CANOPY, AND AN EXPANSIVE ROOT SYSTEM, TYPICALLY READY FOR FASTER CANOPY GROWTH IN THE NEXT DECADE. DUE TO THE 10 YEARS OR SO, IT'S SPENT DEVELOPING AN EXTENSIVE ROOT SYSTEM. I'VE INCLUDED A COUPLE OF PICTURES IN THE PUBLIC COMMENTS SO THAT YOU CAN SEE A SIX INCH TREE, A FOUR INCH TREE, EXCUSE ME, TWO THIRDS THE SIZE OF A SIX INCH TREE WITH AN AVERAGE SIZE HUMAN BENEATH IT. AND ERIC FOUND US A PICTURE OF AN EDUCATOR MEASURING A TREE WITH SCHOOL CHILDREN SO THAT YOU COULD SEE THE SIZE OF A TREE TRUNK THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR A SIX INCH DIAMETER. IT'S ME. IT'S MEANINGFUL NOT JUST TO RELIEF, BUT ALSO IN TREE ORDINANCES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY WHERE THIS IS NOT AN UNUSUAL SIZE TO PAY ATTENTION TO AND TO REGULATE IN SOME FASHION. PROTECTING MATURE TREES IS A CENTRAL PART OF ANY TREE PROTECTION ORDINANCE AND TREES. WE FEEL THAT TREES WITH 10 YEARS OF INVESTMENT AND GROWTH ARE AT THE POINT OF GIVING BACK SUBSTANTIAL RETURNS ON OUR INVESTMENT, LARGE SHADE, CANOPY, HABITAT CLEANER, AIR [00:05:01] URBAN BEAUTIFICATION, AND MUCH, MUCH MORE. SO WE HOPE, HOPE THAT YOU WILL BE ABLE TO PAY MORE ATTENTION TO THE SIZE OF THE TREES IN OUR TOWN AND HELP US PRESERVE THE INVESTMENT IN, UH, THESE SIX INCH TREES AS WE, UM, FURTHER DISCUSS AND LOOK TOWARDS PASSING A TREE PROTECTION ORDINANCE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WENDY. DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? HI THERE. THE REGISTER OF HERITAGE AND LANDMARK TREES WEBSITE, UH, IS DATED, UH, ON THE, ON THE WEBPAGE DECEMBER OF 19. THE ACTUAL LIST IS DATED APRIL OF OH SIX. UM, I WASN'T AWARE OF THE PROBLEM UNTIL I WENT TO GO SEE A GIANT SEQUOIA THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE OVER HERE, AND, UM, IT'S NOT THERE ANYMORE. I WAS AT 8 0 6 B STREET ACCORDING TO THE LIST THAT THE CITY'S GOT OUT THERE. THERE'S A TREE THERE. I DON'T KNOW WHEN OR WHO IS SUPPOSED TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR UPDATING THAT KIND OF STUFF. UM, BUT IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT'S NOT UPDATED, THAT'S FOR SURE. AND THE OTHER THING I SENT IN THE EMAIL WAS THE SUDDEN OAK DEATH. I MEAN, MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF TREES HAVE DIED BETWEEN NAPA AND SONOMA COUNTIES ALONE, YET THE CITY AND TREE PEOPLE AROUND HERE KEEP PLANTING THEM. THE MOST RECENT ONES I'VE NOTICED, UH, BEEN PLANTED IS OVER IN THE HELEN PUTNAM, UH, PARKING LOT. AND YOU CAN STAND NEXT TO THOSE TREES AND LOOK AROUND AND SEE ALL THE COAST OAKS THAT HAVE DIED. UH, AND I SIGNED UP FOR A TREE PLANTING THING, UH, ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO OVER ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN. AND SO I MADE AN UNSCHEDULED DISMOUNT FROM A RUNNING HORSE, WAS NOT ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN DIGGING HOLES, BUT I WENT BY THERE A LITTLE BIT LATER AND I SAW THAT A BUNCH OF COAST LIVE OAKS HAD BEEN PLANTED IN THE PARK NEXT TO THE HOUSES OVER THERE. UM, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE PLANTING TREES THAT ARE GONNA DIE AND THERE'S NO KNOWN, UH, CURE, UH, TO SLOW DOWN THIS, UH, THING THAT'S KILLED MILLIONS OF THESE TREES. AND BECAUSE OF THE RAINS THAT WE'VE RECENTLY HAD AND THE WIND, IT BLOWS THE, UH, THE BAD STUFF INTO THE, UH, EXISTING TREES. SO JUST SOME THINGS I THINK NEED TO BE ADDRESSED IN THE, AND ALSO AT THE BIG SIX INCH 60 INCH BOX THAT HAS BEEN ON THE PLANS FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS AT THE NEW, UM, TRAFFIC CIRCLE AT D UH, BY HELEN PUTNAM. UH, IT'S SHOWN A COAST OAK, UH, GOING IN THERE UNTIL, UH, WE HAD AN HOA MEETING THERE ON OUR PINNACLE DRIVE THING. AND SOMEBODY GOT A HOLD OF THE LATEST PLANS FROM THE DEVELOPER AND NOW THE WORD COAST HAS BEEN REMOVED AND JUST SAYS OAK. SO SOMEBODY HEARD SOMEBODY SOMEWHERE DOWN THE LINE IS, THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE'RE GONNA FOREGO THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES DUE TO TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES UNTIL NEXT MONTH AND WE'LL MOVE INTO, UM, NUMBER THREE IS OUR [PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION] AD HOC COMMITTEE FOR ARBOR DAY PROGRESS UPDATE. DID YOU WANNA DO THAT, DARREN? SURE. THANK YOU. BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME, WE HAVE SOME UPDATES. UH, SO WE HAD OUR FIRST AD HOC MEETING, UH, AFTER OUR FEBRUARY 7TH TREE COMMITTEE MEETING. UH, IT WAS VERY PRODUCTIVE. THAT WAS HOWARD MARION AND MYSELF. WE IDENTIFIED TWO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO COULD JOIN, UH, THE ARBOR DAY AD HOC. WE MADE SOME DECISIONS ON TIMING AND LOCATION. AND I'LL REVEAL THIS, CINDY, I'M WONDERING IF AFTER THIS, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD HAVE TO BE APPENDED TO THE NEXT MEETING. I CAN SEND ANY NOTES WE HAVE ON PARTICULAR EVENTS, ORGS, TIME AND PLACE TO CIRCULATE AND JUST ALLOW PEOPLE TO THEN EMAIL COMMENTS BACK. NOT MAYBE A FULL DISCUSSION ITEM. BUT, UH, ANYWAY, WE'VE IDENTIFIED THE POTENTIAL OF PRINCE PARK, WHICH WE THOUGHT COULD BE A GREAT LOCATION AND ONE THAT ISN'T HEAVILY USED FOR OTHER EVENTS. UM, WE IDENTIFIED THE POSSIBILITY OF BRINGING IN FOOD TRUCKS AND SOME KIND OF MUSIC. SEEMS PRETTY STANDARD. AND PRINCE PARK IN PARTICULAR HAS ENOUGH SPACE TO KIND OF ACCOMMODATE THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT PERMITTING WOULD LOOK LIKE. SO OBVIOUSLY WE NEED STAFF INPUT. UH, AND THEN WE MADE A LIST OF POTENTIAL ORGANIZATIONS, WHICH OF COURSE INCLUDED RELIEF, UH, DAILY ACTS, UH, MANY OTHERS THAT WE LISTED OUT. SO WE'RE GONNA SEE HOW MUCH WE HAVE TO LIMIT OR HOW MANY PEOPLE WE WANNA TRY TO BRING IN THE TENT, AS IT WERE. UH, AND THEN WE ALSO THOUGHT OF A SURPRISING AMOUNT OF ACTIVITIES THAT COULD BE TREE RELATED, WHICH I WAS REALLY IMPRESSED BY. MARIANNE HAS EXPERIENCE WORKING, UH, IN PARKS IN THE CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO AND HAD SOME GREAT IDEAS. UH, AND RIGHT NOW THE TIMING OF IT IS PLANNED. AND AGAIN, UM, THIS IS SOMETHING WE'D LOVE STAFF [00:10:01] INPUTS ON, UH, FOR FOUR HOURS FROM LIKE 10 TO TWO JUST SEEMED LIKE, UH, A PRETTY REASONABLE TIMEFRAME, NOT DRAG ON TOO LONG. UM, SO YES, HOWARD, YOU CAN LET ME KNOW IF I'M MISSING ANYTHING, BUT SO FAR THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE. THE RERE HUNT . THE RERE HUNT WAS ONE OF THE ACTIVITIES. YES, DEFINITELY SOME. I LOVE IT. DEFINITELY SOME FUN ACTIVITIES I WOULDN'T HAVE THOUGHT OF. AND THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF HAVING I WANT SACK RACE. YEAH. THANK YOU DARREN AND CINDY, WOULD THAT BE APPROPRIATE TO SEND A LIST OF SOME OF THESE ITEMS, MAYBE A LITTLE BETTER ORGANIZED TO ALLOW JUST GENERAL COMMITTEE COMMENT AT THEIR DISCRETION? ABSOLUTELY. THE ADD-ON CAN SEND THAT. UM, I CAN SEND IT TO ME TO SEND OUT TO THE REST OF THE GENERAL COMMITTEE MEMBERSHIP FOR, YOU KNOW, FEEDBACK. UM, AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THE NEXT ITEM I HAVE ON HERE IS TO ADOPT A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE ARBOR DAY. NOT NECESSARILY ALL THE DETAILS, BUT AT LEAST THE DAY IF YOU GUYS HAVE A DAY. SO THAT'LL BE THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM. GREAT. ALRIGHT. WE'LL MOVE IT ON TO OUR NEXT ITEM RECOMMENDATION FOR ARBOR DAY CELEBRATION, ADOPTION CHAIR FORM B. WE HAVE TO, UM, ASK FOR COMMENTS ON LAST. OH, LAST, OH, I'M SORRY. PUBLIC COMMENT. NOTHING. WENDY . ALL RIGHT. AND NEXT, THE RECOMMENDATION FOR ARB DAY CELEBRATION ADOPTION. SO, UM, FROM THE AD HOC, I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A LOT OF WORK. I WANTED TO ASK THE COMMITTEE TODAY TO CHOOSE A DATE SO THAT WE CAN ADOPT IT AND IT CAN GO TO COUNCIL FOR ADOPTION FOR PROCLAMATION FOR OFFICIAL ARBOR DAY. WE CAN WORK OUT THE DETAILS OF THE, UM, ACTUAL CELEBRATION ITSELF, BUT IF WE COULD PICK A DATE TODAY WOULD REALLY HIGHLY BE RECOMMENDED SO WE CAN GET THAT ON THE CALENDAR AND I CAN HELP, UM, START STRATEGIZING AS FAR AS SPACE AND TIMING. UM, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT HAPPEN IN PRINCE PARK IN PARTICULAR, JUST SO THAT THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS KNOW, I'LL HAVE TO CHECK AND SCHEDULE. WE START SOFTBALL SEASON, SOCCER AND BASEBALL ALL HAPPEN. SO THOSE FIELDS GET PRETTY HEAVILY USED ON WEEKENDS. SO I'LL HAVE TO CHECK DATES AND TIME FOR YOU. UM, BUT IF WE CAN AT LEAST ADOPT THE DATE, THEN I CAN START WORKING THE CALENDAR OUT. AND IF SO, IF THERE'S RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE AD HOC TO BRING TO THE COMMITTEE, THAT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED TODAY. UM, WELL, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IT'S USUALLY EVERY DAY NATIONALLY IS THE LAST FRIDAY OF, UH, WHICH WOULD BE THE 26TH OF APRIL. SO IT SEEMS TO ME THE 27TH WOULD BE A NICE DAY. YEAH, I WAS GOING TO, THAT'S WHAT I RECALL FROM OUR MEETING. WE TALKED ABOUT IT AND TO CHOOSE THE, THE FEDERAL DATE RATHER THAN THE STATE JUST 'CAUSE IT, NOT ONLY DO WE ALIGN THEM WITH THE FEDERAL, BUT IT GIVES US A LITTLE MORE TIME TO, SO WHEN, WHEN IS BUTTER AND EGGS DAY? THE 20TH. OKAY. YEAH. SO I WOULD SAY, UH, APRIL 27TH. DO I HAVE TO TAKE A VOTE NOW? OR IS THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM COVID? OH, ANY COMMENTS? I, I WILL BE OUT OF TOWN THAT DAY, BUT THAT'S FINE WITH ME. WELL WILL MISS YOU, ROGER. ALL RIGHT. IF THERE'S NO MORE COMMENTS, I'LL MAKE A MOTION. DO WE KNOW WHEN THAT SPRING BREAK IS FOR THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS OR ANYBODY? I BELIEVE IT'S EARLY. IT'S IN MARCH THIS YEAR. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. IF THERE ARE NO OTHER COMMENTS, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO PUT IT FOR A VOTE TO, UH, DECLARE WITH THE FEDERAL HOLIDAY AND PLAN OUR CELEBRATION ON THE 27TH. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I SEE A SECOND. A SHOW OF HANDS, OR IT LOOKS LIKE UNANIMOUS. SO ARBOR DAY WILL BE, UH, CELEBRATED IN THE CITY OF SAN OH, CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO. CITY OF PETALUMA. UH, APRIL 27TH, TENTATIVELY FROM 10 TO TWO WITH A SAC RACE. TREES, YOUR HUNT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THEN WE MOVE ON TO A, OH, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? THANK YOU, WENDY . AND, UM, I MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS A STREET TREE AD HOC COMMITTEE PROGRESS UPDATE. UM, I WILL SAY, I, I, I REALLY, I JUST PRINTED YOUR NOTES THAT YOU SENT US AND I WAS GONNA JUST SHARE THOSE. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SHARE THEM OR WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO? WHY DON'T YOU SHARE THEM? 'CAUSE I DON'T HAVE THEM WITH ME. OKAY, THEN I'LL DO SO. ALL RIGHT. SO WE MET, UM, ON THE 1ST OF FEBRUARY FOR THE STREET TREE AD HOC. UM, IT HAD BEEN SOME TIME SINCE WE MET, BUT, UM, UH, [00:15:01] WE DID FOCUS ON UPDATING A LIST OF ACCEPTED STREET TREES. UM, AND WE WERE HOPING OUR REVISIONS SHOULD BE READY IN TIME TO SUBMIT WHEN THE NEW TREE ORDINANCE IS, IS SUBMITTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL, WHICH IS A FEW MONTHS AWAY. AND, UM, I DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE THAT EXACT DATE, SO THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. UM, UH, WE DID REVIEW THE RELIEF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR REMOVING TREES FROM CURRENT ACCEPTED STREET TREES. AND THE CONSENSUS WAS THAT WE WILL KEEP THE MAPLES, THE TWO DELIRIUM, DRON, THE TULIP TREE, AND THE MAGNOLIAS. WE AGREED WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO DELETE THE CAMPER, UH, THE PHORA AND THE PIN OAK. UM, UH, WE DID TALK ABOUT A CHINESE TALLOW, WHICH IS ON THE LIST OF ACCEPTED TREES RELIEF. RECOMMENDED REMOVING IT BECAUSE IT'S TOXIC TO OTHER PLANTS. IT IS CONSIDERED POTENTIALLY INVASIVE, UH, FROM RELIEFS REQUEST FOR CONSIDERATION FOR NEW TREES. WE APPROVED A CSUS OXIDANT, UH, BUT THIS WAS ALREADY ON OUR, OUR CITY'S ACCEPTED LIST. UH, OPSIS LINEARIS, CHPA PLATS, RACEMOSA ROBERTS ESRA FOLIA, WHICH IS ALSO ON THE LIST. UM, CORCAS ENGLEMAN, CORCAS LODA, AND CORCAS TOMENTELLA. UM, AND I'LL JUST ADD, WELL, ACTUALLY NOT GONNA ADD ANYTHING TO IT, UH, ANYWAY, OTHER SUGGESTIONS, ADDITIONS TO THE LIST BY MEMBERS OF THE AD HOC GROUP. WERE LAGNER PATIA, ACACIA DLA QUIRK, OB OBLONG FOLIA MEXICAN BLUE OAK, WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO BE EVEN BETTER THAN ENGLEMAN, UM, PER DAVE MUFFLY AND ALMA'S PARVA FOLIA, ONLY THE FRONTIER ELMA IS ON THE LIST. UH, UH, IT SAYS, I BELIEVE HOWARD WAS AGAINST ADDING CATA CATALINA IRONWOOD, BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S, UM, SUPPOSEDLY SUSCEPTIBLE TO PHYTOPTHORA, BUT, UM, EBERLY SAW A TREE ON THE LAWN AT 8 0 2 FIFTH F STREET, WHICH LOOKS GREAT. SO OUR, OUR, OUR CONSENSUS IN WITHIN THE TREE COMMITTEE IS THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA, WE DON'T WANT TO ADD ANYTHING ONTO THE LIST. IT'S NOT ACTUALLY AN ESTABLISHED THRIVING TREE IN THE CITY OF PETALUMA. SO, UM, THERE IS A NICE CATALINA IRONWOOD AT 8 0 2 F STREET. IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO GO LOOK AT IT. I HAVEN'T YET, BUT I WILL. UM, OTHER THAN ITS SUSCEPTIBILITY TO PHYTOPTHORA, WHICH MANY OTHER TREES ON THE LIST HAVE AS WELL. UM, WE WONDER WHAT OTHER OBJECTIONS THERE ARE. UM, THE SELECT TREE SYNOPSIS SEEMS FAVORABLE. UH, ANOTHER TOPIC WE DISCUSSED WAS HOW TO INCREASE THE NUMBER, SIZE AND DIVERSITY OF OUR STREET TREES. CONVINCE PEOPLE TO PLANT SOMETHING OTHER THAN CRATE MYRTLES. UM, SOME IDEAS FOR INFLUENCING CHOICES TO BE MORE CREATIVE DIRECTIVE IN THE INTRODUCTORY PAGE, WHICH PEOPLE WILL SEE WHEN THEY DO THEIR RESEARCH. THE CITY DOES REGULAR OUTREACH WITH COMMUNITY BULLETINS AND COULD BE ASKED TO INCLUDE SOME PROPAGANDA RELIEF, HAS BEEN PROMOTING BENEFITS OF TREE AND IS EXPANDING THEIR PALETTE FROM STRICTLY NATIVES. FINALLY, DECISIONS NEED TO BE MADE ABOUT WHAT SHOULD THE FORMAT BE FOR THE CITY'S LIST OF ACCEPTED STREET TREES TO MAKE IT MORE USER FRIENDLY. WE GET RID OF LISTING BY WATER USE IT'S QUESTION MARK LIST. ONLY BY COMMON NAMES OR BY BOTH. IS THERE A CITY THAT HAS AN EXEMPLARY LIST FORMAT? A FEW MENTIONED SAN FRANCISCO'S HAVING A GOOD LIST. ANY OTHERS GOING FORWARD TOMORROW IS LOOKING AT HER COMMITMENTS AND WE'LL GET BACK TO WHETHER SHE HAS TIME TO CHECK. OH, I DON'T NEED TO READ THIS. UM, ONE OF OUR NEW MEMBERS IS GONNA BE REVISING OUR EXCEL SPREADSHEET, WHICH CINDY HAS PROVIDED TO US. AND, UM, AND, UH, BILL REINHARDT'S GONNA TRY TO FIND, THERE WAS AN OLD WALKING GUIDE FOR PETALUMA STREET TREES, WHICH WE'RE TRYING TO FIND AND, UM, REFERENCE. YEAH, I BELIEVE WE HAD THAT. I'LL HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK. ONE OF THE PAST COMMITTEE MEMBERS, ELSA, SHE HAD GOTTEN A COPY FROM THE VISITOR CENTER. THEY HAD AN OLD WALKING MAP. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THANK YOU. UM, AND, UH, WE'RE GONNA DO A, A PARAGRAPH INTRODUCING ACCEPTED TREAT TREES FOR BENEFITS HABITAT, ESSENTIALLY WATER LIST, UM, CLIMATE CHANGE SHADE. UM, AND THAT WAS IT. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? PUBLIC COMMENT PLEASE. UM, SOUNDS LIKE GREAT WORK. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. I JUST WANNA SUGGEST THAT YOU LOOK AGAIN ONE MORE TIME AT THE LARIA DERON. I DO UNDERSTAND, UM, YOU'RE KEEPING THE MAPLE AND THE, UM, MAGNOLIA GRANDE FLORA ON THE LIST, BUT THE LYRIA DERON IS, UM, AN EASTERN RIPARIAN TREE THAT I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH. IT WOULD NEVER BE USED AS A STREET TREE, UM, IN, IN AN EASTERN CITY, AS BEST I CAN TELL, BECAUSE THEY TEND TO GROW VERY, VERY FAST WITH A VERY HEAVY TRUNK AND BLOW OVER VERY EASILY IN WINDSTORMS. THIS IS THE TREE THAT TYPICALLY FALLS THROUGH THE ROOFS OF HOUSES IN THE EAST, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE SUGGESTED YOU TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT IT HERE. MAYBE THEY GROW [00:20:01] MUCH SLOWER DUE TO THE LOWER WATER HERE, BUT, UM, IT'S CONSIDERED A DANGEROUS TREE FOR, FOR A STREET TREE IN THE EAST. THEY, THEY TEND TO BE KEPT IN THE, UM, IN THE WILD AREAS. THANKS. THANK YOU, WENDY. ANY FURTHER COMMENT? OH, YES, DARREN, UH, I WAS JUST GONNA ASK THE STREET TREE LIST ONCE IT'S APPROVED, WHAT IS THE MESSAGING TO THE PUBLIC? I MEAN, IS THAT AVAILABLE ON THE WEBSITE NOW? I MEAN, I LOVE THE IDEA OF PROMOTING IT IN LIKE SOME KIND OF EMAIL BLAST AND LETTING PEOPLE KNOW, BUT CURRENTLY, HOW IS THAT ACCESSIBLE TO PEOPLE? THE STREET TREE LIST, AS FAR AS I KNOW, IT'S ONLY ACCESSIBLE IF YOU GOOGLE PETALUMA APPROVED STREET TREE LIST, IT'LL COME UP AND YOU CAN ACCESS IT THAT WAY. UM, OKAY. AND, AND I THINK THE OTHER THING TO CONSIDER, UM, IS HOW THIS MIGHT, HOW DO I WANNA SAY THIS? HOW THIS MIGHT WORK FOR DEVELOPERS AND APPLICANTS FOR DEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES THEY'RE PROVIDED OUR STREET TREE, OUR CURRENT STREET TREE LIST. UH, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS COMMITTEE WANTS TO THINK ABOUT WHETHER THERE SHOULD BE A SEPARATE ONE FOR DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS. 'CAUSE IT'S A DIFFERENT CONTEXT THAN STRICTLY STREET TREES. IF THIS WOULD BE FINE FOR POTENTIAL PEOPLE APPLYING FOR PLANNING TO USE THIS LIST WHEN THEY'RE THINKING OF THEIR PALETTE. UM, SO JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. LIKE I SAID, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD SPAWN A NEW LIST OR IF MAYBE THIS WOULD BE A GREAT STARTING PLACE FOR THOSE APPLICANTS. I'VE JUST BEEN SURPRISED WHEN PEOPLE BRING FORWARD A PLANTING PLAN FOR A DEVELOPMENT AND WE ASK 'EM WHERE THEY GOT THEIR INFORMATION, THEY SAY, OH, WELL YOU GUYS GAVE US YOUR LIST, WHICH TURNS OUT TO BE OUR STREET TREE LIST. SO ANYWAY, JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT THROUGH THIS PROCESS. AS FAR AS I KNOW, THE STREET TREE PROCE, THE STREET TREE LIST IS INTENDED ONLY FOR STREET TREES. UM, IT'S NOT PLANTED, IT'S NOT INTENDED AS A GENERAL PLANT PALLET FOR THE CITY. UM, AS FAR AS I KNOW, THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE ANY DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR PLANT PALLETS FOR DEVELOPMENT. I KNOW THAT I'VE HAD QUESTIONS, UH, FROM DEVELOPERS ABOUT PLANTING ALONG THE RIVER. THERE ARE CURRENTLY NO GUIDELINES FOR PLANTING ALONG THE RIVER, SO, WHICH IS, WHICH IS TROUBLESOME. UM, AND, UH, THE OTHER THING IS THAT, UM, WE ARE LOOKING FOR LANGUAGE OR, OR SOMEWHERE TO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S THIS, THIS, THIS CITY SEEMS TO HAVE A DIRGE OF, OR A, A HABIT, NOT THE CITY I SHOULD SAY, BUT PEOPLE IN GENERAL OR DEVELOPERS OR LANDSCAPE DESIGNERS, HOMEOWNERS OF PLANTING CRATE MYRTLES. AND THEY'RE EVERYWHERE. AND, UM, I JUST HEARD TODAY THERE'S ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT HAD BEEN APPROVED. 'CAUSE THEY NEED TO BE APPROVED BY THE CITY, UM, TO GO IN A PLACE WHERE THERE ARE NO OVERHEAD LINES, THERE'S PLENTY OF SPACE TO PLANT A BIG SHADE TREE. AND THE CITY APPROVED AGAIN, CREPE MYRTLES. AND SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S AN ISSUE FOR PLANNING DEPARTMENT, I BELIEVE. BUT IF WE GET, UM, WITH THIS NEW GENERAL PLAN, IF WE CAN GET SOMETHING LIKE, UH, UH, UH, URBAN FORESTRY DEPARTMENT AND A CITY ARBORIST, THEN MAYBE THAT SORT OF THING CAN GO THROUGH A CITY ARBORIST WHO CAN ACTUALLY LOOK AT A SITE AND SAY THAT SUIT, THAT TREE IS UNSUITABLE. AND WHETHER THERE'S LANGUAGE THAT COULD BE IN THIS STREET TREE LIST THAT SAY A CRATE MYRTLE OR A MAGNOLIA ST. MARY'S OR A CIIS OXEN ANDIS OR A CISSUS CANSUS SHOULD ONLY BE PLANTED WHERE THERE'S LIMITED SPACE. OTHERWISE, THESE SHOULDN'T BE CONSIDERED AT ALL. SO BILL, YOU HAD SOMETHING OH, I AGREE WITH THAT, UH, WHOLEHEARTEDLY. BUT, UH, UM, THERE WAS A CONSIDERATION FOR A MYRTLE DOWNTOWN, UH, ON KENTUCKY STREET. WAS THAT A, A LIKE A WEST COAST MYRTLE, THAT, THAT, UM, I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THE, THE, AT THE CROSSWALK. YEAH. IT WAS CONSIDERED, WELL THEY, THE CITY HAD RECOMMENDED PUTTING IN CRATE MYRTLES. THERE AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S, YEAH. UM, BUT WE, UH, I THINK AS THIS COMMITTEE, AND WE, I, I ADVISED, UM, PUBLIC WORKS, TNAS RACEMOSA IS GOING IN THERE. SO THE WESTERN SYCAMORE IS ACTUALLY GOING IN THERE. YEAH. UM, CREPE MYRTLES ARE NOT NATIVE TO CALIFORNIA BY ANY STRETCH. I, THE WESTERN MYRTLE. I WAS, I WAS WONDERING IF THAT WOULD KIND OF MAKE IT BE SOMETHING WE WOULD WANNA STEER IF SOMEBODY WERE TO CHOOSE A MYRTLE THAT THEY WOULD CONSIDER THE WESTERN. I DON'T THINK THERE IS SUCH A THING. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THERE'S A, THERE'S A PACIFIC WAX MYRTLE, OKAY. YEAH. WHICH IS, WHICH WE USE TYPICALLY FOR A HEDGE. I DON'T ACTUALLY, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S SUITABLE FOR A STREET TREE OR NOT, BUT, UM, I, I WOULDN'T THINK SO. IT'S MORE OF A HEDGE. OKAY. YEAH. WELL IT SOUNDS LIKE REALLY GOOD PROGRESS ON THE STREET TREE LIST. AND I'D SUPPORT EVEN A DRAFT VERSION OF THAT GETTING OUT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER BECAUSE IT'S, UM, DARREN HAS MENTIONED THAT THE, THE STREET TREE LIST DOES CARRY A LOT OF WEIGHT AND PEOPLE POINT TO THAT AS YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS IT'S, THEY'RE CHOOSING FROM ONE OF THOSE TREES THAT, UH, THEY'RE FOLLOWING, [00:25:01] YOU KNOW, THE PROTOCOL. BUT I THINK THE, AN UPDATED LIST WOULD, UH, THE SOON BE, BE NICE, SOONER THE BETTER. BUT I UNDERSTAND ALSO BEING IN, UM, PARALLEL WITH, UH, UH, ALL THE WORK WE'RE DOING WITH, UM, THE, UM, THE GENERAL PLAN. YEAH. UH, THAT SAID, I ALSO THINK THAT THE CITY'S GONNA FOLLOW UP WITH US. HEATHER'S GONNA FOLLOW UP WITH A SPECIFIC STREET TREE PLAN. SO, UM, I MEAN, I'M REALLY INTERESTED TO SEE HOW THE CITY, UH, CHOOSES TO TACKLE THAT. UM, UH, AND, UH, YEAH, SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU, KIMBERLY. I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS, UH, WENDY'S CONCERNS ABOUT THE LEARY DENDRON, THE TULA TREE. IF YOU GO UP TO VICTORIA, THEY WERE PLANTED THERE AS STREET TREES 30 YEARS AGO, AND THEY SEEM TO BE DOING FINE. THEY DO GET REGULAR WATER, BUT THERE HAVEN'T BEEN ANY ISSUES WITH THEM BLOWING DOWN OR LOSING BIG BRANCHES. AND I WALK UP AT THERE ALL THE TIME. UM, THE OTHER THING WAS, I DID GET HOLD OF A COPY OF THE WALKING TOUR OF NOTABLE STREET TREES AND LIKE OUR LIST OF HERITAGE TREES. IT'S UNFORTUNATELY VERY OUTTA DATE. UM, FOR EXAMPLE, THE DON REDWOOD THAT USED TO BE OUTSIDE OF CITY HALL IS GONE. AND THERE'S A BUNCH OF OTHER TREES, INCLUDING ONE THAT WAS RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE THAT MADE THE LIST ONLY BECAUSE IT WAS UNUSUAL. IT WAS A SWAMP MAPLE, UM, FROM JAPAN, WHICH WASN'T A GOOD STREET TREE, SO IT DID GO AWAY. UM, SO I'M GOING TO, I I, YOU KNOW, IT WAS, IT WAS A REALLY NICE PRINTING THAT THEY DID. UM, ALL I CAN THINK OF TO DO IS TO KIND OF TAKE A SHARPIE AND MARK OUT THE TREES THAT ARE NO LONGER ON THE LIST AND MAKE A COPY AND TAKE IT DOWN TO THE VISITOR CENTER. 'CAUSE IT IS STILL WORTH, IT IS, IT IS A NICE TOUR OF, OF, UH, WICKERSHAM PARK AND SOME OF OUR OTHER, UM, NICE NICELY TREAT AREAS. THANK YOU. BILL. JUST GONNA ADD, UH, FOR, FOR DARREN'S COMMENT. UH, AS FAR AS THE DEVELOPER OR PROJECT TREE LIST, MY SENSE THAT THERE'S SO MANY CONDITIONS, UH, GROUNDWATER, YOU KNOW, SOIL CONDITIONS, UH, EXPOSURE, THAT IT'D BE DIFFICULT TO COME UP WITH A LIST, UM, OTHER THAN HAVE MAKE SURE THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS INVOLVED WITH THAT PROJECT AND THAT THEY HAVE A SENSE OF INTEGRITY. AND ONE, ONE LAST QUESTION. WE JUST KIND OF REFERENCED THAT USE CASE OF THE STREET TREE LIST WHERE PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT IT AND KIND OF PULLING IDEAS OR A SENSE OF LEGITIMACY. BUT CINDY, FUNCTIONALLY, HOW MUCH TEETH DOES THE STREET TREE LIST HAVE WHEN SOMEONE'S APPLYING TO REPLACE OR PLANT A STREET TREE? ARE THEY LIMITED TO STRICTLY WHAT'S ON THAT LIST? IF IT'S A ROW TREE, THEY HAVE TO PICK FROM THE PROOF STREET TREE LIST. OKAY. AND IT'S IN FANTASTIC. IT'S BY RESOLUTION, I BELIEVE. IT'S EITHER IN THE IZO OR IN THE MUNI CODE. I'D HAVE TO DO SOME RESEARCH FOR YOU, BUT IT'S THERE AND IT'S ADOPTED BY COUNCIL. SO THE STREET TREE LIST IS ADOPTED BY COUNCIL. I THOUGHT IT MIGHT GO AS PART OF ANY UPDATES TO COMMUNICATIVE FOR STREET TREES THAT PLANNING'S WORKING ON. SO, GREAT. THAT'S GREAT. AND, AND THAT HAS COME UP IN OUR, IN OUR COMMITTEE MEETING. UM, IT'S BEEN SUGGESTED THAT WE LOBBY THE CITY COUNCIL TO HAVE IT TO BE A SUGGESTED STREET TREE LIST. UM, 'CAUSE AS IT STANDS NOW, NOTHING THAT'S ON THAT LIST CAN BE PLANTED AS A RIGHT OF WAY TREE. SO THE WESTERN SYCAMORE CANNOT BE PLANTED AS A RIGHT OF WAY TREE CURRENTLY, UM, EVEN THOUGH IT IS. BUT, UM, AND ALSO THE ALPA, UM, CANNOT BE PLANTED AS A RIGHT OF WAY TREE. AND SO, UM, AND SO THESE ARE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A, A DECENT LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT OR, YOU KNOW, A A A HORTICULTURALIST OR YOU KNOW, A GARDENER, A GOOD GARDENER MIGHT, YOU KNOW, HAVE A NICE TREE THAT THEY WANT TO PLANT. BUT CURRENTLY, UM, THERE IS NO ROOM FOR, FOR THAT ON A RIGHT OF WAY BECAUSE IT SAYS THAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS IT MUST BE ON THE APPROVED TREE TREE LIST. SO THAT IS, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'LL BRING TO COUNCIL, I THINK AS PART OF OUR NEW, OUR NEW LIST. ANYBODY ELSE? WE WILL MOVE ON TO COMMUNICATION AND OUTREACH, AD HOC COMMITTEE PROGRESS UPDATE. ROGER, I HAVE SOME NOTES OF, I MISSED THE LAST ONE. OKAY. UH, WELL, UH, JUST AS A RECAP OF MEETINGS, AND I DON'T HAVE THE DATES ON HERE, BUT WE MET WITH TWO CITIES, UH, THE CITY OF CHICO AND THEIR, UH, TREE DEPARTMENT UNDER PUBLIC WORKS. AND ONE OF OUR MEMBERS, TARYN, WHO UNFORTUNATELY ISN'T HERE TODAY, HAD A PRELIMINARY MEETING WITH PACIFIC GROVE, WHICH WERE IDENTIFIED AS TWO CITIES THAT SEEM TO HAVE ROBUST TREE POLICY JUST AS THEMES THERE. I WILL SAY CITY OF CHICO, UM, THEIR PUBLIC WORKS LIAISON, [00:30:01] SKYLER, AND ACTUALLY THEIR PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR URBAN FORESTRY. RICHIE, A LOVELY SCOTTISH GUY IN CHICO WHO CALLS HIMSELF THE LORAX, WHO'S INVOLVED IN EVERY ASPECT OF DECISION MAKING. IT'S REALLY INTERESTING TO HEAR FUNCTIONALLY HOW A TREE DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO WORK AT A CITY. AND HE SAYS, YOU NEED TO GET INTO THIS MINDSET AS THE PERSON IN CHARGE OF THAT, THAT EVERY CONVERSATION NEEDS TO HAVE YOU IN IT. AND SOMETIMES YOU NEED TO KIND OF, AS HE SAYS, FORCE YOUR WAY INTO THE CONVERSATION BECAUSE EVERYTHING CAN BE CONSIDERED, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER POLICY AND TREES. SO IT'S PLANNING ENTRIES, HOUSING ENTRIES, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. TREES ARE SOMEWHERE INVOLVED. AND IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THAT PERSON TO HAVE, OR THAT TEAM TO HAVE THE INITIATIVE TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE KIND OF SHOWING UP AND GETTING INVOLVED, KNOWING WHAT'S GOING ON TO, TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE PART OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS. UH, WHICH WAS INTERESTING TO HEAR. THERE'S NO PERFECT PROCESS TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE'S CONSULTING WITH, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF YOU HAVE STAFF TREE EXPERTS, THERE'S NO PERFECT PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE ALWAYS CONSULTED WITH. SO THEY ACTUALLY FIND THEY HAVE TO USE A LOT OF INITIATIVE TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE FOLLOWING UP AND, AND GETTING INVOLVED IN ALL THOSE CONVERSATIONS. UH, BUT SOME TAKEAWAYS FROM BOTH OF THOSE CITIES, UH, FOR BOTH THERE IS STAFF DEDICATED TO EITHER URBAN FORESTRY OR JUST TREES. UH, UNDER PUBLIC WORKS SEEMS TO BE THE COMMON THEME. SO THERE'LL BE A TEAM UNDER PUBLIC WORKS, AND THAT WAY THEY'RE USING A LOT OF THE SAME CITY SOFTWARE WORKFLOW MANAGEMENT, RESPONDING TO LIKE PERMIT REQUESTS AND WORK REQUESTS AND THINGS. AND SO THERE'S ALREADY KIND OF A PROCESS THERE UNDER PUBLIC WORKS THAT THIS TEAM CAN FOLLOW. UH, THEY ALSO HAD SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON POTENTIAL SOFTWARE, UM, AND THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALWAYS OPEN TO FOLLOW UP, PROBABLY MOST APPROPRIATELY FROM STAFF IF THAT EVER TAKES SHAPE, UH, IN JUST WHAT THEY DO AND HOW THEY MAKE SURE NOT ONLY THAT THEY'RE ASSESSING, YOU KNOW, THE SUITABILITY OF A PERMIT, LET'S SAY FOR TREE REMOVAL OR A LANDSCAPE PLAN FROM AN APPLICANT FOR DEVELOPMENT. UH, BUT ALSO HAVING THAT APPROPRIATE PROCESS TO DO THE FOLLOW UP AND MAKE SURE THE IMPLEMENTATION HAPPENED THAT THE REPLACEMENT HAPPENED. YOU KNOW, IT'S, I THINK A LOT OF IT BOILS DOWN TO PROJECT MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE WHERE YOU HAVE TIMERS, TEAMS KNOW TO GO CHECK ON, YOU KNOW, HERE'S OUR THREE MONTH ON THIS PROJECT, WHATEVER THE CASE IS. IT WAS INTERESTING JUST TO HEAR THAT KIND OF ON THE GROUND LEVEL, HOW THEY IMPLEMENT THIS AND MAKE SURE THAT TREE POLICY IS BEING FOLLOWED AND FOLLOWED THROUGH. UM, AND I THINK ACTUALLY THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE TREE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE, WE REVIEWED AT OUR, UM, OUR LAST REGULAR MEETING, UH, THERE'S PART OF THAT THAT DOES NECESSITATE SOMEONE, AND I KNOW WE HEARD BEN ANDERSON SPEAK TO THIS, SOMEONE WHO, WHO'S KNOWLEDGEABLE ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO MAKE WHERE THERE'S ANY KIND OF SUBJECTIVE DECISION MAKING INVOLVED, BECAUSE WE TALK ABOUT REPLACEMENT RATIOS, IF IT'S SUITABLE, UNLESS, YOU KNOW IT'S NOT SUITABLE FOR THE SITE OR THERE ARE THESE OTHER CONDITIONS, YOU NEED SOMEONE WITH THE TRAINING AND BACKGROUND WHO CAN MAKE THOSE CALLS ON SITE AND MAKE THE APPROPRIATE DECISIONS. UH, EVEN SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS, IS THIS PRESENTING A THREAT TO PROPERTY OR SAFETY? YOU KNOW, EVEN MAKING A PROPER IDENTIFICATION OF HOW HEALTHY IS THIS TREE? UM, AND I THINK IF WE HAVE THIS TREE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE AS ROBUST AS THE LAST DRAFT WAS, I THINK WE START, I MEAN, I, I KNOW IT'S BEEN PUT OUT THERE THAT WE COULD HAVE A CONSULTANT, BUT I THINK IT KIND OF NECESSITATES A FULL-TIME TEAM IF WE'RE GONNA, IF AGAIN, IT'S AS STRONG AS IT IS AND WE'RE IMAGINING AS MANY CASES OF PEOPLE NEEDING TO APPLY FOR TREE REMOVAL PERMITS, WE'RE GONNA NEED DEDICATED STAFF THAT CAN RESPOND TO THESE REQUESTS. UM, AND SO FOR ME, IN THINKING ABOUT THAT AND SPEAKING OF THESE OTHER CITIES, THE VOLUME GETS TO A POINT WHERE I THINK A CONSULTANT BECOMES A LITTLE UNWIELDY. UM, I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY EVERY SCENARIO IS DIFFERENT, BUT IN SEEING HOW THESE CITIES DO IT WELL, IT SEEMED LIKE SOME KIND OF TEAM, EVEN, EVEN IN CHICO, THEIR TEAM IS RELATIVELY SMALL. UH, BUT IT'S A DEDICATED TEAM THAT JUST HANDLES THESE ISSUES. THAT SEEMED TO BE JUST THE PIERCING THEME THROUGHOUT THOSE DISCUSSIONS. UH, AND THEN JUST TWO WEEKS AGO WE HAD A MEETING WITH KEN EICHSTADT IN PETALUMA PUBLIC WORKS TO TALK ABOUT STREET TREES AND TALK ABOUT THIS PUBLIC WORKS ISSUE. UH, AND, YOU KNOW, HE'S INTERESTED IN THAT. WE NEED TO BRING SOME MORE FOLKS IN THE ROOM TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT THIS MORE, SHARE SOME OF THESE FINDINGS FROM OTHER CITIES. YOU KNOW, AS KEN SAID, HE'S LIKE THIS, YOU KNOW, I'M WORKING ON STREETS, I'VE GOT A LOT ON MY PLATE, BUT GAVE US SOME GOOD ADVICE OF PEOPLE TO BRING IN THE ROOM. UH, AND I THINK THAT WOULD INCLUDE CINDY AND SOME OTHER PEOPLE. UM, SO I'M EXCITED TO SEE HOW WE CAN WORK WITH OUR EXISTING PUBLIC WORKS TEAM AND OUR EXISTING PARK STAFF AND SEE WHAT WE MIGHT ALREADY HAVE AT OUR DISPOSAL TO PUT WHETHER IT'S NOT A FULL DEPARTMENT, LIKE A TASK FORCE TOGETHER. UH, AND I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE STAFF THAT ALREADY HAS IDEAS. WE ALREADY HAVE OUR OWN MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE TO TRY TO KIND OF BRING THESE LEARNINGS INTO OUR CONTEXT AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THERE. UM, AND THAT'S ALL THE UPDATES I HAD. ROGER, IF THERE'S ANYTHING I MISSED, IF I COULD JUST ADD TO THAT. UM, THE ONE, THE BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CHICO [00:35:01] IS THAT THEY'VE HAD THE CITY INVOLVEMENT IN STREET TREES SINCE 1850. AND EVERY, EVERY STREET HAS TREES MAINTAINED BY THE CITY. SO IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT WORLD THAN WE'RE LIVING IN. HOWEVER, UH, UH, I THINK THERE, THERE ARE NOW A 36% COVERAGE CITYWIDE TREE COVERAGE, CANOPY COVERAGE, AND THEY'RE GOING FOR 40%, UH, WHICH IS, IS AMAZING. UM, AND WE, THE, THE QUESTION WAS ASKED, YOU KNOW, ANY SUGGESTIONS ABOUT HOW TO GET PETALUMA MOVING MORE IN THAT DIRECTION? AND HE SAID, WELL, DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR COVERAGE IS? HE SAID, THE FIRST THING I DO IS ASK THE QUESTION, HOW MUCH COVERAGE DO WE HAVE? UH, AND AS FAR AS I KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S BEING DONE CITYWIDE, CINDY, IS THAT BEING DONE CITYWIDE IS A, IS THAT A QUESTION TO ME? SO PART OF THE UFMG IS TO DO A STUDY OF OUR CANOPY, AND BEN HAS BROUGHT IT HERE AND SPOKEN ABOUT IT. SO YEAH, I MEAN, THE ANALYSIS IS BEING DONE AS PART OF THE UFMG CITYWIDE. YEAH, CITYWIDE, I MEAN, THE INVENTORY ITSELF IS NOT CITYWIDE, BUT LOOKING AT LIDAR AND OTHER DATA THAT THEY HAVE TO GIVE US, YOU KNOW, SOME INFORMATION THAT'S BEING COMPLETED. AND BEN'S ALREADY DONE PART OF THAT, AND HE'S GAVE US THE HISTORICAL AND THE CHANGES WHEN HE IS COME TO THE COMMITTEE. SO IT'S, IT'S INCLUDED. WELL, ONCE WE KNOW WHAT OUR CANOPY COVERAGE IS CITYWIDE, THEN WE'LL KNOW WHAT THE NATURE OF THE PROBLEM IS. I THINK, WELL, AND ROGER'S REMINDING ME, I THINK SOME OF THEIR FEEDBACK WAS THAT WE DO HAVE SOME OF THAT WE EXPLAINED KINDA THE PROCESS WE'RE BEGINNING AND THEY SAID THOSE ARE THE RIGHT STEPS TO TAKE KIND OF EXISTING CONDITIONS. BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, HE WAS PRETTY CLEAR THAT, AGAIN, LIKE THEIR STAFF HAS TO DO INTERNALLY FOR OUR GROUP AND FOR ANYBODY PASSIONATE ABOUT TREES, IT'S HAVING THAT INITIATIVE TO KINDA MAKE SURE WE'RE INSERTING IT IN THE CONVERSATION, WHICH AGAIN, I THINK IS HAPPENING. I THINK FOLKS ARE SHOWING UP TO MEETINGS AND MOVING IT FORWARD SO IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE HEADING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. IT'LL BE EXCITING TO SEE HOW WE CAN START TO KEEP THAT INFLUENCE GOING AND KEEP MOVING THAT WAY. UH, AT, AT THE, UH, OUR DISCUSSION ABOUT THE TREE ORDINANCE, I THINK BEN ANDERSON MENTIONED FAIRFAX AS HAVING AN EXEMPLARY TREE ORDINANCE. AND SO I WENT AND JUST DID A LITTLE RESEARCH ON HOW THEY OPERATE IN EVERY APPLICATION FOR A TREE REMOVAL COMES TO THE TREE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. THAT HAPPENS IN CHICO AS WELL. THEIR VERSION OF THE TREE COMMITTEE, IT'S CALLED SOMETHING ELSE. UM, THEY SEE EVERY SINGLE REMOVAL PERMIT, WHICH IS KIND OF CRAZY TO ME THAT A, A DISCRETIONARY BOARD WOULD REVIEW THAT. I, I DON'T KNOW HOW EFFICIENT THAT IS , I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THEIR STAFF LOVED IT, BUT REALLY INTERESTING. YEAH. UH, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN WHAT'S REPLACING THOSE TREES IF WE GET TO WEIGH IN ON THAT. UM, 'CAUSE THAT HAS BEEN SUGGESTED AS PART OF, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S BEEN, IT'S, PEOPLE HAVE EXPRESSED SURPRISE THAT THAT TREES ARE REMOVED AND, AND REPLANTED AND THAT, THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT WITH THIS COMMITTEE. UM, BUT AS FAR AS I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S NOT REALLY PART OF OUR, MAYBE LETS GO, MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT AS CINDY SHAKES HER HEAD ABOUT OUR CURRENT TIME CONSTRAINTS. MAYBE THE TREE ADVISORY COMMITTEE SHOULD REVIEW REMOVAL PERMIT. IT'S JUST A BIGGER QUESTION BECAUSE OUR, OUR PURVIEW IS SET BY ORDINANCE, SO THE ORDINANCE WOULD NEED TO BE UPDATED. IT, IT'S NOT JUST A SIMPLE MATTER OF, WE COULD TAKE IT ON, WE'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS. SO IT'S A LONGER PROCESS. YEAH. AND, AND, YOU KNOW, SINCE WE'RE COMING UP TO THE CITY AS FAR AS CHANGING THE ORDINANCE OF BEING A, A, A, A SUGGESTED STREET TREE LIST RATHER THAN A, AN APPROVED STREET TREE LIST, MAYBE THAT'S PART OF THE, THE LANGUAGE THAT WE BRING TO COUNCIL. UM, I, UH, I WOULD, I, YOU KNOW, I I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO KNOW WHAT THEY HAVE WITHIN THEIR STREET TREE LIST THAT ACTUALLY MAKE IT, UM, MORE USER FRIENDLY FOR A HOMEOWNER OR A DEVELOPER WHO WANTS TO PLANT SOMETHING WHO CAN MAKE THE, UH, A MORE INFORMED DECISION. LIKE I SAID, UM, PUTTING A CREPE MYRTLE WHERE YOU HAVE UNLIMITED OBSTRUCTIONS. UM, AND DO THEY HAVE LANGUAGE THAT SAYS THAT? NO, ABSOLUTELY. YOU CAN'T DO THAT. YOU HAVE TO PUT A MORE APPROPRIATE SIZED TREE THERE. UM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE, I JUST SAID WE'D LIKE TO BRING INTO OUR, AS PART OF OUR, UM, STREET TREE LIST AS PART OF THE LANGUAGE THERE. BUT, UM, I THINK IT ALSO, UH, I LIKE WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT HAVING, UM, A, A SEPARATE, A SEPARATE STAFF TO, TO REVIEW SUCH THINGS IS 'CAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC, PUBLIC WORKS IS, IS REVIEWING A, AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW STREET TREE, AND THEY LOOK ON THE LIST AND IT'S ON THE LIST, AND THEY SAY, YES, THAT'S IT. YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT TO IT. AND, AND, AND THAT MAY, YOU KNOW, NO FAULT OF THE PERSON APPROVING THE APPROVING THE PERMIT, BECAUSE WHY SHOULD WE EXPECT ANYBODY WHO'S NOT REALLY KNOWLEDGEABLE TO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT TREES? THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE JUST APPROVING SOMETHING THAT'S ON THE LIST. SO THANKS. [00:40:01] WELL, I, I THINK I'VE SEEN A FEW EXAMPLES WHERE, UM, OTHER MUNICIPALITIES HAVE CREATED SOME, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, DETERMINATION BASED ON PLANTER SIZE AND OVERHEAD LINES, WHICH SPECIES ARE, ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THAT SITE. SO IN THE ABSENCE OF NOT HAVING A SOMEBODY ON STAFF TO HELP DETERMINE WHICH IS APPROPRIATE AND GIVING ALL THE, REALLY THE POWER TO THE PROPERTY OWNER, WE SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE SOME OF THOSE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THOSE DETERMINATIONS IN THE STREET TREE GUIDE, PUBLIC COMMENT. WENDY, THANK YOU DARREN, AND TO YOUR COMMITTEE FOR LOOKING AT THE, UH, QUESTION OF AN URBAN FORESTRY DEPARTMENT AS OPPOSED TO OCCASIONAL USE OF CONTRACTORS RELIEF HAS BEEN ADVOCATING FOR, UM, AN URBAN FORESTRY DEPARTMENT TO BE PART OF THE CITY STAFF FOR THREE YEARS NOW. AND EVERY YEAR AROUND THIS TIME WHEN WE TALK ABOUT COUNCIL PRIORITIES, WE, WE PUT THAT IN THE HAT. SO, UH, WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT FROM THE TREE COMMITTEE. AND, AND I'M SURE THAT YOU CAN, YOU'RE FINDING OUT, OR YOU CAN SEE THAT ALL THESE TREES THAT RELIEF IS ADDING ARE GOING TO NEED MAINTENANCE DOWN THE ROAD AS WELL AS THE EXISTING TREES, WHICH MANY OF WHICH ARE IN POOR SHAPE. AND IF WE ENCOURAGE OUR RESIDENTS, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT PERHAPS ARE NOT OF THE HIGHER INCOME SCALE TO ADD TREES, IT WOULD BE A VERY NICE FEATURE IF THE CITY WERE ABLE TO PROVIDE SOME SUBSIDIZATION FOR THE, UM, MAINTENANCE DOWN THE ROAD. SO WE REALLY SUPPORT THAT AND ARE GLAD THAT YOU'RE WORKING ON IT. UM, ROGER, IN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION YOU RAISED, WHEN BEN ANDERSON GAVE THE COMMUNITY, UH, MEETING ABOUT THE URBAN FORESTRY MANAGEMENT, UM, WELL, THE INVENTORY THAT HE HAD BEEN WORKING ON, HE PRESENTED A SLIDE DECK, WHICH SHOWED THAT OUR, UH, AGGREGATE CANOPY IS 14%, NOW 14, AND THAT IT, UM, IT REDUCED BY, UM, 5% OVER THE FIVE YEAR PERIOD, NO, EXCUSE ME, 20% OVER THE FIVE YEAR PERIOD ENDING 2018. SO THESE ISSUES OF THE TREE PROTECTION ORDINANCE AND THE, AND UM, THE MAINTENANCE BEING DONE BY CITY STAFF ARE VERY PERTINENT SO THAT WE CAN STOP THE HEMORRHAGING OF TREES, WHICH HE NOTICED, YOU KNOW, IN HIS REPORT. THANKS. HI, IT'S FRANK AGAIN. UM, I'VE LIVED IN PETALUMA NOW FOR 12 YEARS. FIRST ON UPPER MOUNTAIN VIEW ABOVE THE MAILBOX IS, THAT'S ACTUALLY COUNTY PROPERTY ON TWO AND A HALF ACRES THERE WITH MY SON. THEN OVER ON EASTMAN, UM, ACTUALLY COUNTY OVER THERE ALSO. AND NOW OVER ON, UH, PINNACLE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY IN THE CITY LIMITS. AND EACH ONE OF THOSE PROPERTIES, TWO AND A HALF ACRES, TWO ACRES, AND I THINK THE PLACE NOW IS A HALF ACRE. UM, THE TREE SITUATION, I'VE PLANTED NOW 150 TREES, I GUESS AT LEAST BETWEEN THE THREE PROPERTIES. UM, THE MOUNTAIN VIEW IS BEING DECIMATED BY THE SUDDEN OAK DEATH, THEY'VE LOST SOME MATRIARCH TREES OF, I'VE WATCHED THEM GO TO DUST. UM, EASTMAN THE PROPERTY LINE OVER THERE, IT'S BEAUTIFUL SANDY LOAM, BUT THE OIL, BUT THE WATER TABLE COMING UP FROM THE RIVER, UM, THE, THE WELLS AND EVERYTHING IS JUST ALKALI SPITING OUT OF THE, THE SPRINKLER HEADS. AND NOW, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY REALLY MAJOR PROBLEMS WITH THE DEER OVER THERE EXCEPT FOR THE ROSE BUSHES, WHICH WE TOOK CARE OF WITH FENCING PINNACLE. THERE'S A COUPLE OF HERDS OF DEER UP THERE, AND THEY GO THROUGH AND EAT EVERYTHING. THEY, THEY, THE, UH, THE BARK OFF THE, UH, THE TREES YOU'VE JUST BEEN TALKING ABOUT. UH, THEY'VE RIPPED THOSE OFF. AND THOSE WERE PROBABLY PUT IN BY THE DEVELOPER 20 YEARS AGO. SO I'VE HAD TO WIRE THOSE UP. UM, UH, VANDER WOLF PINE, THEY TOOK THE BARK OFF OF THAT. THEY'VE TAKEN SOME OF THE REDWOODS OFF. SO I THINK THERE MIGHT, DEPENDING ON WHICH PART OF TOWN YOU'RE IN, DEER CAN BE A REAL ISSUE FOR THE TREES. SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER ON THAT LIST OF, UH, RECOMMENDED TREES AS TO WHAT YOU MIGHT NEED TO DO FOR A WHILE. BUT THOSE, UH, SOME OF THOSE TREES ARE 20 YEARS OLD AND THEY'RE STILL EATING THE, THE BARK OFF. SO THAT'S BEEN MY EXPERIENCE IN 12 YEARS OF PLANTING HERE. SO ALSO ON YOUR ARBOR DAY THING, I'VE GOT, I GATHERED SOME OAK ACORNS FROM A JORDAN WINERY, UH, [00:45:01] YEAR OR TWO YEARS AGO. THE BIG OAK ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE WHEN YOU WALK, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE PLACE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS. IT'S AN EVERGREEN OAK. IT'S NOT A COAST. BUT, UH, I DID THE OLD, THROW THE ACORNS IN THE BUCKET AND THROW AWAY THE FLOATERS. AND NOW I'VE GOT ABOUT A HALF A DOZEN OF THOSE OAKS. SO A GREAT GIFT IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE GIFTS LIKE THAT. THERE'S A BOOK CALLED THE MAN WHO PLANTED TREES. IT'S ONLY, I DUNNO, 50 PAGES LONG OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YOU CAN GET IT IN VARIOUS LANGUAGES. I GOT FROM MY GRANDDAUGHTER HERE AT THE HIGH SCHOOL, SHE WAS TAKING FRENCH, I GOT THE FRENCH VERSION AND THE ENGLISH VERSION. SO THEY WERE READING IT IN CLASS TOGETHER. SO, BUT YOU KNOW, I'D BE HAPPY TO SUPPLY ONE FOR A GIFT IF YOU GOT SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT'S A, IT'S A NICE INSPIRATIONAL BOOK THAT I READ EVERY FEW YEARS. . OKAY. THANK YOU. CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THAT? AM I ALLOWED TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT PUBLIC COMMENT? GENERALLY, YOU CAN'T ASK QUESTIONS, IT'S JUST A COMMENT. DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT ON IT? UM, NO, IT'S A QUESTION . IT'S JUST A COMMENT. SO UNFORTUNATELY, SORRY HOWARD . IT WAS, IT WAS, I'LL JUST PUT IT OUT. IT WAS, IT WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE OH, ACORNS IN THE, WHAT, WHAT WHICH OAK IT WAS ANYWAY, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT. YES, YOU CAN PER PERHAPS ASK AFTER THE END OF THE MEETING. WE'LL SPEAK AFTER THE MEETING, PLEASE . UM, ALRIGHT, UM, THEN, UH, ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY, THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO [COMMITTEE COMMENT] COMMITTEE COMMENT. ROGER, PLEASE. CAN WE JUST DO THAT? OH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION. OH, THE PLANNING, EXCUSE ME, . UM, LET'S SEE. THE LAST PROJECT WE HAD COME THROUGH WAS, UM, UM, UM, OYSTER COVE. AND I THINK THE, THE INTERESTING PART THERE WAS, UM, THERE'S A BOUNDARY LINE THAT, THAT DEFINES CITY LAND FROM THE PROJECT LAND AND THE, AND THE, THE BOUNDARY LINE IS BETWEEN THE PROJECT AND THE WATER AND, AND INCLUDES THE TRAIL, UH, PUBLIC TRAIL. AND THE, I I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO PUSH THE, THE BOUNDARY LINE TO THE BACK OF THE BACK OF TRAIL SO THAT THE PROJECT TAKES CARE OF EVERYTHING. AND THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT SHOWS MANY, MANY, MANY TREES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT LINE. AND THIS IS SUBMITTED AS A, AS A, AS A DOCUMENT FOR APPROVAL FOR, FOR, FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. BUT IT WAS NOT EVEN ACCURATE. IT WASN'T EVEN, UM, THE DEVELOPER HAD NO INTENTION OF MOVING THAT LINE AT THAT TIME. AND, UH, ZELENSKY PARK HAD PLANTED TREES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE LINE AS PART OF THE PROPOSED PLAN. SO IT WAS AN INTERESTING, UH, TO ME IT WAS A, IT WAS, SHOULD HAVE BEEN CAUGHT IN THE PLAN CHECK. IT SHOULDN'T HAVE EVEN GONE THROUGH AS KIND OF A CO CONTRADICTORY STATEMENT THAT THE DEVELOPER DID NOT AGREE WITH WHAT HE SUBMITTED, WHICH IS INTERESTING. SO WE'LL SEE WHERE THAT GOES. BUT THAT WAS THE BIG, BIG PROJECT. UM, THAT'S ABOUT IT. CAN YOU ADD TO THAT? WELL THAT, THAT ISSUE YOU RAISED WAS PRETTY CENTRAL AND I THINK WE WERE STILL WAITING ON AN ANSWER ON THAT ONE. I THINK OVERALL, UH, THIS WAS A STUDY SESSION FOR OYSTER COVE, WHICH A LOT OF US HAVE SEEN FOR A WHILE NOW. UH, IT'S ACTUALLY BEEN RENAMED, I BELIEVE IT'S OFFICIALLY CALLED THE DECK NOW, UM, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF I LOVE THE NEW NAME. BUT ANYWAY, WE, I THINK WE GAVE GOOD COMMENT AS A COMMITTEE ON THEIR CONCEPTUAL DESIGNS. THEY KIND OF CAME BACK, THIS WAS THEIR SECOND STUDY SESSION. UH, INSTEAD OF GOING STRAIGHT TO A SPAR APPLICATION, WHICH WOULD BE THE OFFICIAL REVIEW, THEY GAVE US MORE TIME TO LOOK AT THEIR CONCEPT AND THEIR, UH, AND THEIR PLANTING PLAN. SO YOU BROUGHT UP A BIG ISSUE WITH THEIR PLANTING PLAN THAT LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT WAS TAKING THE INITIATIVE TO REACH OUT TO RELIEF AND POTENTIALLY OTHER FOLKS, I MAY HAVE REFERRED A NA OR TWO, UH, THAT THEY SHOULD READ, REACH OUT TO AND THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, UH, THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD ATTITUDE FOR THEM TO HAVE TO REACH OUT AND GET SOME CONTEXT, UH, FROM OTHER ORGANIZATIONS ON THEIR PALETTE AND THE SUITABILITY. UM, BUT YEAH, WE'LL SEE WHEN THAT COMES FORWARD FOR SPAR. I BELIEVE THAT'LL BE THIS SUMMER. UM, BUT I'LL HAVE TO REWATCH AND QUOTE THE, THE PLANNING MANAGER ANDREW TRIPLE ON THAT. BUT YEAH, AN EXCITING PROJECT I WOULD, UM, I RECOMMEND ON YOUR LIST, UH, FOR THAT, THAT LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT TO REACH OUT TO A CMG OUTTA SAN FRANCISCO. 'CAUSE THEY'RE DOING THE NEW, UM, THE NEW, UH, RIVER PARK PROJECT AND THE, AND THE SCANNELL PROPERTY. WELL, THE FORMER LEASE CANNELL PROPERTY IS ALSO CMG, SO I KNOW THAT THEY MAY [00:50:01] HAVE SOME, UM, GOOD INPUT, ESPECIALLY ON THE, UM, ON THE SETBACK, UM, AND THE, AND THE ACCESS FROM ACROSS THE D STREET BRIDGE, WHICH, UM, I THINK THERE WAS SOME QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE DEVELOPER WAS GIVING US FULL ACCESS FOR THAT SETBACK. THESE ARE GREAT QUESTIONS AND PLEASE EMAIL 'EM SOME OF THEM TO ME AND I'LL TRY TO FORWARD THAT ALONG. OKAY, THANKS. ANY, WELL, WE DON'T HAVE PARK AND REC, UH, WHAT, WHAT ARE, WHY ARE YOU LOOKING AT ME JUST SAYING, IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMITTEE COM MEMBER COMMENTS? ARE ANY OTHER COMMITTEE COMMENTS? I DON'T SEE ANY. CINDY, WOULD [STAFF COMMENT] YOU LIKE TO? UH, SURE. I'LL GIVE STAFF COMMENTS. UM, ONE THERE, PARKS AND REC ONLY SAW THE CARBON, UM, BLUEPRINT. THAT WAS THE ONLY ITEM THAT WAS SEEN, SO THERE'S NOT MUCH TO REPORT OUT. IT WAS THE SAME THING FOR A SPECIAL MEETING THAT WAS AT THE LAC OF REC COMMISSION. SO I'LL SPEAK FOR MARIANNE'S BEHALF HERE. UM, OUTSIDE OF THAT, YOU GUYS SHOULD HAVE SEEN A DOCUMENT IN YOUR EMAIL COME THROUGH ABOUT RELIEF AND THEIR PLANTING PLAN FOR THE SPRING. THEY'RE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK. SO IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THAT AND IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS, EMAILING THEM DIRECTLY TO RELIEF. AND IT'S FOR TWO PARKS IN PARTICULAR. I THINK THEY'RE ONLY GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH THE POCKET PARK IN THIS SPRING IS WHAT THEY HAD SAID. BUT THERE'S ALSO THE ACORN PROJECT THAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT. SO THE EAST SIDE SEPARATOR PLANNING ACORNS, THAT'S PART OF THE USDA, UM, $1 MILLION GRANT THAT'S PART OF THAT PROJECT. UM, AN UPDATE ON THE GRANT THAT WHAT DID COME THROUGH AND WAS AWARDED. SO FROM THE FEDERAL LEVEL, THEY DID GIVE US THE CITY, THE LETTER THAT GRANT IS RUNNING THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. AND PATRICK CARTER IS THE ONE THAT HAS OVERSIGHT OF THAT GRANT. UM, SO IT'S NOT ONE THAT, YOU KNOW, I'LL GIVE YOU UPDATES, BUT IT'S NOT WHAT I'M PERSON PERSONALLY WORKING ON. THOSE ARE KIND OF THE MAJOR ITEMS THAT ARE COMING. THE, UM, UFMG THAT'S ALSO COMING ALONG WORK WORKED WITH THE CONSULTANT, UM, MET WITH THE CONSULTANT TO KIND OF LOOK AT THE SCOPE TO GET THE UFMG PART OUTSIDE THE INVENTORY MOVING. SO THAT SHOULD BE HAPPENING PRETTY SOON. AND GETTING THAT ON BOARD. BEN ANDERSON WILL BE STAYING ON BOARD TO DO COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND WORKING WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. UM, AND THIS CONSULTANT IS BASED OUT OF BERKELEY AND THEY'VE DONE OTHER M'S FOR OTHER CITIES. SO I WAS REALLY KIND OF IMPRESSED WITH THE WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE. SO I'M REALLY HAPPY TO BRING THEM ON BOARD. THOSE ARE THE MAJOR THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON. THERE'S A LOT OF PROJECTS, I WOULD SAY. WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT DESIGN STANDARDS. I WOULD JUST ASK COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO MAYBE LOOK BACK AT COUNCIL FROM THIS PAST MEETING. THEY DID BRING DESIGN STANDARDS, OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS TO THE COUNCIL, UM, FOR THE FIRST HEARING. LANDSCAPING IS A SMALL PORTION ABOUT THAT. SO IT'S NOT REALLY DETAIL, IT'S NOT A PLANTING PALETTE, BUT THAT THE, THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS DID COME. AND IF, I THINK IT MAY BE GOOD FOR YOU TO WEIGH IN IF YOU'RE REALLY INTERESTED IN THAT. SINCE IT WENT TO COUNCIL, IT WAS ONLY THE FIRST HEARING. SO YOU'LL SEE IT COME BACK TO COUNCIL AGAIN. THAT'S ALL I HAVE AS FAR AS STAFF. UM, MEMBER COMMENTS. THANK YOU FOR PICKING AN ARBOR DAY. YOU KNOW, THAT IS ALWAYS SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME. AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE SURE THE PROCLAMATION IS ON COUNCIL'S AGENDA SO THAT WE CAN GET THAT. AND, UM, I LOOK FORWARD TO THE AD HOC COMMITTEE HELPING ME PLAN THAT OUT. I REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE YOU GUYS TAKING OWNERSHIP OF THAT THIS YEAR. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT THEN, UM, UH, CHAIR COMMENTS. UM, I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK TO THE, UM, THE SIX INCH DIAMETER AGAIN. UM, SO I WAS JUST DEALING WITH THAT TODAY WITH THE CITY OF MILL VALLEY, WHICH, UM, I HAVE TO GET A, WELL, THEY, THEY REQUIRE, UM, ANY TREE REGARDLESS OF SPECIES WITH SIX INCHES DIAMETER OR LARGER, UM, BE ACCOMPANIED BY A TREE, UH, UH, A PERMIT, A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT. AND THAT'S, IT'S ANYWHERE ON, ON A, ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY. AND, UM, AS, AS, UH, AS CUMBERSOME AS THAT CAN BE, I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S, UM, I THINK IT'S PRUDENT, ESPECIALLY WHEN, IF WE'VE LOST 20% OF OUR CANOPY IN THE LAST 10 YEARS, UM, THAT'S SHOCKING TO ME. UM, AND, UH, I, I THOUGHT THAT WE HAD A, THE HERITAGE TREE LIST HAD BEEN UPDATED. IT DID. WE HAD AN AD HOC THAT DID A LOT OF WORK AND TOOK PICTURES AND UPDATED, BUT THE LIST ITSELF DOES NOT LIVE WITH THIS COMMITTEE OR WITH PARKS AND RECREATION. IT LIVES WITH PLANNING. SO I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH PLANNING TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE UPDATED LIST. BUT YES, THE AD HOC DID COMPLETE KIND OF THEIR SURVEY AND UPDATED. THERE WAS SOME TREES, WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM. UH, UH, I HAD ACTUALLY LOOKED AT THAT LIST FROM DAVID BALDWIN AND, UH, REVIEWED MOST OF THE TREES ON THERE. AND IT, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS I CAN SEE, THEY WERE STILL THERE. SO, BUT THERE, YOU KNOW, IT IT'S, IT STARTED IN 1921, BUT IT WAS BEEN REVIEWED. UH, NO, STARTED, YEAH, I REVIEWED IT IN 1920, LATE 1921. AND ALSO, UM, HERITAGE TREE LIST. I, I KNOW THERE ARE, UM, THERE ARE TWO LEERY ADDENDS ON D STREET, WHICH LOOK ANCIENT, THE HOUSES FROM 1911. THE TREES MAY BE AS OLD AS THAT. UM, [00:55:01] I'M GONNA RECOMMEND THEY GO ON THE HERITAGE TREE LIST AS WELL. SOMEBODY JUST NEEDS TO PUT AN APPLICATION. NORMALLY THE PROPERTY OWNER, I BELIEVE, TO PLANNING, WELL, I, I'VE ALREADY MENTIONED IT TO THE PROPERTY OWNER, SO, OKAY. YEAH, THEY JUST HAVE TO DO THE APPLICATION. . THANK YOU, . I JUST DID. THEY'RE THEY'RE MAGNIFICENT ACTUALLY. UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S IT FOR MY COMMENTS. GO AHEAD LEIGH. WELL, FRANK HAS STEPPED OUT, BUT I APPRECIATED HIS COMMENTS ABOUT THE COAST LIVE OAKS COAST LIVE OAKS, WHEN THEY GET SUDDEN, OAK DEATH HAVE A 87% CHANCE OF DYING BY SOME STUDIES, UM, UP TO 60%. SO JUST AVERAGE THAT OUT TO 75% CHANCE OF DYING. AND WE HAVE CAUSED, WE HAVE SUDDEN OAK DEATH HERE. SO IT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME THAT WE ARE PLANTING ANY OF THOSE TREES. AND THE IDEA THAT YOU WOULD SPEND THE WELL AT THE DEVELOPER DIN WOULD SPEND THE MONEY TO PUT IN A 60 INCH DIAMETER COASTLINE OAK OUT THERE AT THE ROUNDABOUT IS JUST WOULD BE REALLY UNFORTUNATE. AND I, I AM CURIOUS TO KNOW HOW IT GOT CHANGED FROM COLI OAK TO OAK, BECAUSE ONCE THAT OAK DIES, WHICH IT HAS A 75% CHANCE OF DOING, THEN THE CITY'S GONNA HAVE TO REPLACE OR WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, DEAD SPACE. AND, UM, WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT COAST LIVE OAKS AND THE SUDDEN OAK DEATH PROBLEM. AND I APPRECIATED YOUR COMMENTS BECAUSE, AND I BROUGHT IT UP TO THIS GROUP. REMEMBER, I, I REALLY DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT GENERALLY WE DON'T ADDRESS THE PUBLIC DURING COMMENTS. YOU JUST MAKE YOUR COMMENTS. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO MY COMMENT IS THAT I, I BELIEVE THAT THERE SHOULD BE A MORATORIUM ON ANY DEVELOPERS PUTTING IN CLOSED LIVE OAKS BECAUSE OF THEIR, BECAUSE OF THEIR CHANCE OF THEM DYING. AND BECAUSE NOT ONLY DO THEY HAVE TO BE REPLACED, BUT THEN YOU HAVE A HARD SCAPE AROUND THEM THAT ALSO HAS TO BE REPLACED. IF YOU LOOK AT THE LOVELY NEW PLANTING ALONG LYNCH CREEK, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT JUST THE, THE ONLY PLANTED COAST LIVE OAKS, BUT THEN THEY'VE GOT ALL THESE NICE BOULDERS AROUND THEM AND ALL SORTS OF BEAUTIFUL NATIVE UNDERSTORY PLANTS THAT WILL ALSO HAVE TO BE REMOVED. AND, AND ONE OF, AND SOME, THERE'S SOME, A LOT OF STUDIES WILL SAY THAT COASTLINE OAKS DON'T, UM, DEVELOP SUDDEN OAK DEATH UNTIL THEY'RE OVER FOUR INCHES IN DIAMETER. AT THAT POINT, THEY PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, UNLESS THEY WERE A 60 INCH DIAMETER TREE TO BEGIN WITH, THEY'VE PROBABLY ALREADY BEEN IN, IN, IN THE SOIL FOR, YOU KNOW, FIVE OR 10 YEARS. SO YOU, IF THEY DEVELOP SUDDEN OAK DEATH AT THAT POINT, YOU'VE ALREADY LOST THOSE, THAT ALL THOSE YEARS WHERE YOU COULD HAD A TREE THAT IS GOING TO ACTUALLY SURVIVE. SO THERE'S SO MANY GOOD SUBSTITUTES FOR COAST LIVE OAK. I MEAN, EVERYBODY LOVES THEM AND THEY'RE NATIVE AND THERE ARE ICONIC TREE. BUT WHY PLANT TREES THAT HAVE SUCH A HIGH PROBABILITY OF DYING? THANK YOU. I'M SORRY THERE'S NO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT TO STAFF OR COMMITTEE MEMBER COMMENTS. THERE'S ONLY COMMENTS FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC, DURING GENERAL PUBLIC OR ITEMS THAT ARE AGENDIZED. I'M SORRY. YEAH. YEAH, WE CAN TALK LATER. THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK WE CAN TALK SARAH. WE CAN, WE CAN TALK LATER. I'M SORRY. UM, SO, AND I JUST WANNA ADDRESS THE DISCUSSION ABOUT IT. I THINK, I'LL TELL YOU THE, FROM MY STANCE IN PARKS, I WON'T SAY CITYWIDE BECAUSE I CAN'T SPEAK FOR EVERY DEPARTMENT, BUT IT'S ABOUT DIVERSIFYING, RIGHT? YOU NEVER WANNA PLANT ONE SPECIES WHOLLY BECAUSE THERE CAN COME DISEASE WITH ANY TREE SPECIES AND TAKEOUT. AND WE'VE SEEN IT ACROSS THE COUNTRY IN DIFFERENT AREAS, WHETHER IT WAS THE CHESTNUT OR THE BLACK OAK. UM, AND IN SONOMA COUNTY, I THINK MORE THAN COASTLINE OAK, BECAUSE YES, THERE HAVE BEEN TREES THAT WE'VE LOST, BUT THE MOB BEETLE IS ACTUALLY MUCH MORE DANGEROUS RIGHT NOW TO THE COUNTY. IT HASN'T GOT AS FAR SOUTH AS PETALUMA, BUT AS FAR AS I KNOW, IT'S ONLY ABOUT TIME. UM, IT'S DECIMATING WINDSOR HEALDSBURG, IT'S IN SANTA ROSA, IT'S IN SONOMA, WHICH MEANS IT'S JUST TIME. SO, YOU KNOW THAT, I WOULD SAY IT'S ALL OF THE DISEASES THAT WOULD GIVE ME ANXIETY. SO I ALWAYS PUSH THAT WE SHOULD PLANT A DIVERSE PALATE SO THAT WE DON'T LOSE ALL OF OUR CANOPY AT ONCE. BECAUSE IT IS TRUE. LIKE IF A DISEASE HITS A TREE AND YOU TAKE, AND YOU'VE ONLY PLANTED THAT ONE TREE IN ANY SPACE, YOU'RE GONNA MOST LIKELY LOSE ALL OF THEM. BUT, YOU KNOW, IN COAST LIVE OAKS IN PARTICULAR, AND THE WORK THAT I'VE DONE AND PEOPLE I'VE SPOKEN TO, THEY CAN'T PINPOINT THAT IT'LL HIT EVERY TREE. AND THAT'S WHAT IS SO DANGEROUS ABOUT IT, IS THAT YOU COULD HAVE A GROVE OF COASTLINE OAKS AND IT'LL TAKE OUT EIGHT OF THE NINE, BUT THAT NINTH NEVER GOT IT AND DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T EVER GET IT. AND THEY DON'T KNOW WHY. SO, BUT DIVERSIFICATION IS WHAT I WOULD SAY. IT'S LIKE, LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE JUST DON'T PLANT ONE TREE. WELL, SOMEHOW THE MESSAGE HAS TO GET OUT THERE TO THE LANDSCAPERS, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS, [01:00:01] BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE TREE THAT SEEMS TO BE IN FAVOR THAT N BUT IS MARINA, WHICH HAS ALSO GOT ITS PROBLEMS. SO, ANY MORE, THERE'S MUCH MORE I COULD SAY, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO ANY MORE, UH, COMMENTS. THEN I WILL ADJOURN THE MEETING. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.