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AND WELCOME TO THE REGULAR MEETING AT THE PETALUMA CITY[CALL TO ORDER]
COUNCIL AND THE PETALUMA COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AGENCY FOR MONDAY, MARCH 18TH, 2024.IF YOU WISH TO PROVIDE A COMMENT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD, WHICH ARE LOCATED JUST OUTSIDE THE DOORS THERE, AND, UH, BRING IT TO OUR CITY CLERK OVER HERE.
AND, UM, I WILL NOW INVITE CATHERINE MIJA AND MARIA GALVEZ TO PROVIDE INFORMATION TO THOSE WHO WISH TO PARTICIPATE IN SPANISH.
UH, MAY WE HAVE A ROLL CALL FOR THE EVENING, PLEASE? BARNACLE PRESENT.
AND THAT'S FULL, FULL QUORUM FOR US.
UH, LET'S STAND AND HAVE A PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
AND NOW I'M LOOKING UP AND DOWN THE DIOCESE TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY CAUSE FOR AN AGENDA CHANGE OR A DELETION TO, TO TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
THEN BY CLAIM, WE HAVE ADOPTED TONIGHT'S AGENDA AND, AND, UM, LIKE TO MOVE INTO OUR PROCLAMATION FOR THE
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EVENING, WHICH IS ALWAYS ONE OF OUR HIGHLIGHTS.UM, I'D LIKE TO INVITE STEVE CONTI TO THE, UH, PODIUM AS THE REPRESENTATIVE NORTH BAY CHAPTER OF AMERICAN RED CROSS TO, UH, ACCEPT FOR AMERICAN RED CROSS MONTH.
AND I'LL PROCEED, UH, READING THE PROCLAMATION AS THEY ARRIVE.
WHEREAS IN TIMES OF CRISIS, THE PEOPLE IN PETALUMA, THE CITY OF PETALUMA, COME TOGETHER TO CARE FOR ONE ANOTHER.
THIS HUMANITARIAN SPIRIT IS PART OF THE FOUNDATION OF OUR COMMUNITY AND IS EXEMPLIFIED BY AMERICAN RED CROSS VOLUNTEERS AND DONORS.
WHEREAS IN 1881, CLARET BARTON FOUNDED THE AMERICAN RED CROSS, TURNING HER STEADFAST DEDICATION FOR HELPING OTHERS INTO A BOLD MISSION OF PREVENTING AND ALLEVIATING PEOPLE'S SUFFERING.
TODAY MORE THAN 140 YEARS LATER, WE HONOR THE KINDNESS AND GENEROSITY OF THE RED CROSS VOLUNTEERS HERE IN PETALUMA, WHO CONTINUE TO CARRY OUT CLARA'S LIFESAVING LEGACY.
THEY JOIN THE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ACROSS THE UNITED STATES WHO VOLUNTEER, GIVE BLOOD, DONATE FINANCIALLY, OR LEARN VITAL LIFE PRESERVING SKILLS THROUGH THE RED CROSS.
AND WHEREAS IN PETALUMA, THE CONTRIBUTIONS OF LOCAL RED CROSS VOLUNTEERS GIVE HOPE TO THE MOST VULNERABLE IN THEIR DARKEST HOURS, WHETHER IT'S PROVIDING EMERGENCY SHELTER, FOOD, AND COMFORT FOR FAMILIES, DEVASTATED BY LOCAL DISASTERS LIKE HOME FIRES, DONATING ESSENTIAL BLOOD FOR ACCIDENT AND BURN VICTIMS HEART SURGERY AND ORGAN TRANSPLANT PATIENTS.
AND THOSE RECEIVING TREATMENT FOR LEUKEMIA, CANCER, OR SICKLE CELL DISEASE, SUPPORTING SERVICE MEMBERS AND VETERANS ALONG WITH THEIR FAMILIES AND CAREGIVERS THROUGH THE UNIQUE CHALLENGES OF MILITARY LIFE, HELPING TO SAVE THE LIVES OF OTHER OTHERS WITH FIRST AID, CPR AND OTHER SKILLS ARE DELIVERING INTERNATIONAL HUMANITARIAN AID.
AND WHEREAS THE WORK TO PREVENT AND ALLEVIATE HUMAN SUFFERING IS VITAL TO STRENGTHENING OUR COMMUNITY'S
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RESILIENCE.WE DEDICATE THIS MONTH OF MARCH TO ALL THOSE WHO CONTINUE TO ADVANCE THE NOBLE LEGACY OF THE AMERICAN RED CROSS FOUNDER CLARA BARTON, WHO LIVED BY HER WORDS.
YOU MUST NEVER THINK OF ANYTHING EXCEPT THE NEED AND HOW TO MEET IT.
WE ASK OTHERS TO JOIN IN THIS COMMITMENT TO GIVE BACK TO OUR COMMUNITY.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT I, KEVIN MCDONALD, MAYOR OF PETALUMA, ALONG WITH THE MEMBERS OF THE PETALUMA CITY COUNCIL, DO HEREBY ACKNOWLEDGE MARCH, 2024 AS RED CROSS MONTH AND ENCOURAGE ALL CITIZENS OF PETALUMA TO REACH OUT AND SUPPORT ITS HUMANITARIAN MISSION.
MY NAME IS MARYLEE GUILLORY AND I AM THE DAC COORDINATOR FOR SONOMA COUNTY.
OUR TEAM IS THE TEAM THAT COMES IN AND WORKS WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO ASSIST RESIDENTS IN THE EVENTS OF FLOOD OR FIRES.
WE'RE A GROUP OF VOLUNTEERS THAT ARE AVAILABLE 24 7, UM, TO COME.
ALL IT TAKES IS A PHONE CALL FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO SAY, WE HAVE A NEED AND OUR TEAM SHOWS UP.
WE HAVE THREE PARTS TO OUR TEAM.
MY TEAM ARE THE FIRST RESPONDERS OF THE THREE OF US, AND WE PROVIDE FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE, BLANKETS AND, UM, TOILETRY KITS.
AND JUST THAT FIRST HUG AND WARM WELCOME.
THE NEXT TEAM THAT COMES IN BEHIND ME IS MY, UM, TEAM OF MEDICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH PEOPLE, AND EVERYBODY IS OFFERED MENTAL HEALTH SUPPORT, UM, HEALTH SERVICES AND SPIRITUAL CARE IF THEY WANT IT.
AND THEN THE THIRD THING WE DO IS WE HAVE CASE MANAGEMENT TEAM, AND THEY COME IN 24 TO 48 HOURS LATER TO HELP WITH THE ONGOING PROCESS.
UM, PETALUMA FIRE DEPARTMENT IS WONDERFUL.
I'VE BEEN ON MANY CALLS IN OUR TOWN, UM, AS A RESIDENT OF, UH, PETALUMA 30 YEARS.
I'M REALLY PROUD OF THE WORK THAT WE DO TO SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY, AND WE SHOW UP AT ALL THE FAIRS, THE INFORMATION FAIRS, THE FIRE FAIRS, THE BOY SCOUT FAIRS.
WE'RE THERE INFORMING OUR COMMUNITY ABOUT HOW TO BE SAFETY FIRST.
SO WE REALLY APPRECIATE, UM, THE CITY OF PETALUMA, SUPPORT OF THE RED CROSS.
I'M A, UH, MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR THE NORTH BAY CHAPTER OF THE AMERICAN RED CROSS, WHICH INCLUDES, UH, SONOMA COUNTY.
I WANTED TO, UH, JUST MENTION THAT THE SERVICE OF THE ARMED FORCES IS ONE OF THE, UH, MISSIONS THAT THE AMERICAN RED CROSS IS TASKED TO PERFORM.
AND WE HAVE A BASE, A COAST GUARD BASE NOT FAR FROM HERE AT TWO ROCK THAT, UH, RECEIVES, UH, THE FAMILIES THERE, RECEIVE CARE AND ASSISTANCE FROM THE RED CROSS IN TIME OF NEED.
UH, SECONDLY, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THE RED CROSS IS COMPRISED OF 90% VOLUNTEERS.
SO WHEN YOU SEE, UH, A FILM CLIP ON THE NEWS OF A RED CROSS WORKER, THERE'S A 90% CHANCE THAT'S AN UNPAID VOLUNTEER.
AND WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR VOLUNTEERS.
UH, RED CROSS.ORG IS THE WEBSITE, AND I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR THE PROCLAMATION AND, UH, YOUR SUPPORT OF THE AMERICAN RED CROSS.
I, AND THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK.
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FOR TONIGHT, SONOMA WATER'S FISCAL YEAR 20 24, 20 25, PROPOSED WATER TRANSMISSION SYSTEM, BUDGET AND RATES.AND, UH, WE'LL BE INVITING, UH, LYNN ELLI, SONOMA COUNTY, UH, SONOMA WATER ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES DIVISION MANAGER, AND JAKE SPALDING, FINANCE MANAGER TO, UH, HELP GUIDE US THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION.
UM, AND GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I'M THE FINANCE MANAGER, UH, FOR SONOMA WATER.
AND TONIGHT I'M GONNA BE PROVIDING YOU WITH A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF OUR FY 24 25, UH, PROPOSED BUDGET AND RATES FOR THE WATER TRANSMISSION SYSTEM.
AND THEN AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION, UH, BOTH LYNN ROSE AND I WILL BOTH BE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
UM, SO EACH YEAR WE DEVELOP A BUDGET THAT ALLOWS US TO MEET OUR, UH, THE WATER TRANSMISSION SYSTEMS OPERATIONS, MAINTENANCE CAPITAL, AS WELL AS OUR REGULATORY DEMANDS.
UM, THIS YEAR, SIMILAR TO LAST YEAR, WE DO HAVE A HEIGHTENED NEED, UH, FOR BOTH INFRASTRUCTURE REPAIRS AND UPGRADES SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO OPERATE THE SYSTEM, UH, RELIABLY, UH, 24 7.
SO, JUST AS A REMINDER, UH, THE WATER TRANSMISSION SYSTEM HAS THREE MAIN AQUEDUCTS, THE SANTA ROSA, THE PETALUMA, UH, AND THE SONOMA AQUEDUCT.
UM, EACH ONE OF THE WATER CONTRACTORS IS LOCATED OFF OF ONE OF THESE AQUEDUCTS, AND THEY PAY THE RATE THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
AND OBVIOUSLY, THE CITY OF PETALUMA WAS LOCATED ON THE PETALUMA AQUEDUCT.
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SLIDE.UH, SO SONOMA WATER, WE'RE PROUD OF THE BUDGETING PROCESS THAT WE GO THROUGH, UH, AND UNDERTAKE EACH YEAR.
UH, WE DO SUBMIT A DRAFT BUDGET TO THE TAC AD HOC BUDGET SUBCOMMITTEE, UH, IN MID-JANUARY EVERY YEAR.
AND THEN WE ENGAGE IN A TRANSPARENT AND COLLABORATIVE PROCESS WITH ALL THE WATER CONTRACTORS BEFORE FINALLY BRINGING THE BUDGET TO OUR BOARD IN APRIL.
UM, AND I DID WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO DAN HERRE WHO, UH, PARTICIPATED AND WAS, UH, VALUABLE IN THE TAC UH, PROCESS THIS YEAR.
AND, AND HAPPY THAT THE ATTACK VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO SUPPORT THE RATE INCREASE AS WELL.
UM, SO THE WATER TRANSMISSION SYSTEM IS ACTUALLY, UH, COMPRISED OF MANY DIFFERENT FUNDS.
UH, THE CATEGORIES ARE ON THE SLIDE HERE.
EACH ONE OF THESE FUNDS HAS ITS OWN BUDGET AND RATE, AND THEN THOSE ARE ALL COMBINED, UH, TO MAKE THE RATE THAT THE CONTRACTORS EVENTUALLY PAY.
UM, SO SONOMA WATER, UH, WE DO HAVE A RELAT, RELATIVELY ROBUST WATER SYSTEM.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, THERE ARE SEVERAL CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE FACING, AND THEY'RE, THESE ARE NOT ALL UNIQUE TO OUR, TO OUR AGENCY.
UM, THE FIRST BEING THAT THE RESTRUCTURED AGREEMENT FOR WATER SUPPLY, WHICH IS THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN, UH, THE WATER CONTRACTORS AND, AND SONOMA WATER STIPULATES THAT WE USE A FULLY VOLUMETRIC RATE.
UM, AND THAT CAN BECOME PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE SONOMA WATER HAS SEEN NEGATIVE, UH, ACTUAL WATER DELIVERIES OVER THE THREE, FIVE, AND 10 YEAR PERIODS.
UM, AND THAT, YOU KNOW, DUE TO THE FULLY VOLUMETRIC RATE STRUCTURE THAT THAT DOES DRIVE UP RATE INCREASES.
UH, THIS WAS INTENSIFIED DURING THE HISTORIC DROUGHT THAT WE'RE JUST GETTING OUT OF.
AND ACTUALLY 2223, UM, WAS OUR LOWEST WATER DELIVERY YEAR OF RECORD, UM, COMING IN AT JUST OVER 36,000 ACRE FEET.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, MOST OF OUR FACILITIES ARE NOW 45 TO 65 YEARS OLD.
UM, THEY'VE EXPENDED MUCH OF THEIR USEFUL LIFE.
IN FACT, ABOUT 40% OF THEM ONLY HAVE 10 TO 20% OF THEIR USEFUL LIFE REMAINING.
UM, AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, NOT TOO DIFFERENT THAN OWNING AN AGING CAR.
YOU KNOW, AS THINGS AGE, BOTH REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE NEEDS DO INCREASE.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THE EFFECTS OF AGE, UM, THE SYSTEM IS ALSO VULNERABLE TO AN ARRAY OF NATURAL HAZARDS.
THIS INCLUDES FLOOD FIRE, UH, IN EARTHQUAKES.
UM, EARTHQUAKES ARE OUR BIGGEST VULNERABILITY IN TERMS OF BOTH EXTENSIVE DAMAGE TO THE SYSTEM AND ALSO THE POTENTIAL FOR SERVICE DISRUPTIONS TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS.
UM, AND I'M MENTIONING ALL OF THIS BECAUSE THE BUDGET WE'RE PRESENTING TODAY HAS EFFORTS TO ADDRESS ALL OF THESE CHALLENGES.
UM, SO WHAT'S IN THE BUDGET ON THE CAPITAL SIDE? UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS ON KEY HAZARD MITIGATION PROJECTS THIS YEAR.
UM, AND WE CONTINUE TO ADVANCE THESE PROJECTS TO BUILD SYSTEM RELIABILITY AND REDUCE OUR VULNERABILITIES.
UM, ALL OF THE PROJECTS THAT YOU SEE ON THE SLIDE HERE WILL, UH, BENEFIT CITY OF PETALUMA.
UM, SOME OF THEM MORE THAN OTHERS, YOU KNOW, IN PARTICULAR THE ELI BOOSTER STATION PROJECT, UH, AND THE WILFORD BOOSTER STATION PROJECT.
AND SOME OF THE SEISMIC RETROFITS ARE DIRECTLY ON THE AQ, UH, THE PETALUMA AQ.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE COLLECTOR THREE LIQUEFACTION MITIGATION AND PUMP AND MOTOR CONTROL REPLACEMENTS, UH, AFFECT THE COMMON WATER DIVERSION FACILITIES THAT BENEFIT ALL THE CITIES.
AND, EXCUSE ME, REAL QUICK, UH, FOR THE SAKE OF OUR TRANSLATORS, UM, CAN YOU SLOW DOWN A BIT AND ADD SOME PAUSES? UM, I THINK THEY'RE HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF TROUBLE KEEPING UP.
I WAS TRYING TO KEEP IT BRIEF, BUT I'LL TRY AND SLOW DOWN.
UM, CAN WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE? SO, UH, IN ADDITION TO THE PROJECTS THAT ARE FOR HAZARD MITIGATION, WE ALSO DO OTHER CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT BUILD RESILIENCY AND RELIABILITY, UM, INTO THE SYSTEM.
UM, YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN, ALL THE PROJECTS ON THIS SLIDE WILL BENEFIT THE CITY OF PETALUMA.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE ONES THAT I WOULD HIGHLIGHT IS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE MADE, UM, A LOT OF PROGRESS ON THE SANTA ROSA WELLS PLANE PROJECT, WHICH, UH, IS PUTTING ADDITIONAL WELLS INTO, UH, THE SYSTEM.
UM, WE WERE ABLE TO DELIVER SOME WATER TO THE WATER CONTRACTORS DURING THE, THIS LAST DROUGHT OUT OF ONE OF THOSE WELLS.
UH, THE SECOND TWO WELLS IN THAT PROJECT, UH, ARE IN THE 24 25 BUDGET, EXCUSE ME.
AND WE DO EXPECT THAT THEY WILL BE FULLY OPERATIONAL BY THE END OF 24 25, AND THAT WILL ALLOW US TO, UH, YOU KNOW, BETTER RESPOND IN FUTURE DROUGHT YEARS.
UM, ON THE OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE SIDE, UH, WE'VE HIGHLIGHTED A FEW OF THE, UH, PRIORITY PROJECTS HERE.
UM, SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTED ONES, YOU KNOW, INCLUDE OUR MULTI-PHASE, UH, AQUEDUCT CATHARTIC PROTECTION PROGRAM THAT HELPS PREVENT CORROSION IN THE AQUEDUCT THAT SERVE ALL THE CUSTOMERS, UM, AS WELL AS A 10 YEAR $88 MILLION TANK MAINTENANCE AND RECOAT PROGRAM.
UM, AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'RE ALSO SECURING EMERGENCY INVENTORY SO THAT IF THERE IS A DISASTER, WE HAVE THE SUPPLIES ON HAND TO RESPOND.
UM, THESE ARE JUST A COUPLE OF THE HIGH PRIORITY PROJECTS.
IT'S NOT A COMPREHENSIVE LIST.
UM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD JUST ADD ON THE, ON THE TANK MAINTENANCE AND
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RECOAT SIDE, WE, UH, ARE CONDUCTING, CONDUCTING INSPECTIONS AND DOING MINOR REPAIRS AND CLEAN OUTS OF SIX TANKS THIS FISCAL YEAR, UH, WITH MORE COMING NEXT YEAR.UH, WE'RE ALSO IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THREE TANK RECOS AT THE MOMENT.
UM, ACTUALLY ALL THREE OF THEM WILL BE ON THE PETALUMA LINE, UH, IN KA AND IN CATIA.
UM, AND THEN WE ARE GONNA IMPLEMENT, UH, TWO MORE RECOS NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
SO ON THE SUB FUND SIDE, UH, FOR THE BIOLOGICAL OPINION, WATER SUPPLY PLANNING AND WATER CONSERVATION, UH, WE CONTINUE TO IMPLEMENT THE DRY CREEK HABITAT ENHANCEMENT PROJECT.
UM, WE'RE MAKING GOOD PROGRESS ON PHASES, UH, FOUR, FIVE, AND SIX OF THAT PROJECT.
AND WE DO GET SIGNIFICANT COST SAVINGS.
'CAUSE THE US ARMY COURT PICKS UP 65% OF THE COST OF THOSE, UM, SONOMA WATER AND THE SONOMA MARIN WATER SAVING PARTNERSHIP ALSO CONTINUE TO IMPLEMENT A VERY ROBUST AND SUCCESSFUL, UH, WATER CONSERVATION AND EDUCATION PROGRAM.
UM, AND THAT CONTINUES TO ATTRACT A LOT OF OUTSIDE DOLLARS THAT HELP US LEVERAGE OUR LOCAL MONEY.
UM, SO WHAT IS THE TOTAL BUDGET? SO THE TOTAL BUDGET FOR 24 25 IS $74.43 MILLION.
THIS IS OFFSET BY 18.13 MILLION IN GRANTS USE OF FUND BALANCE AND BOND PROCEEDS.
UM, I WOULD NOTE THAT THIS IS 6.14 MILLION MORE THAN OUR BUDGET LAST FISCAL YEAR.
UM, AND THIS IS REALLY DUE TO THE OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE, UH, AND REPAIR NEEDS ON THE SYSTEM, AS WELL AS THE NEED TO IMPLEMENT SOME HAZARD MITIGATION AND RELIABILITY PROJECTS.
UM, I DID WANNA POINT OUT THAT THE CAPITAL PROGRAM THIS YEAR IS FULLY FUNDED BY GRANTS, UH, USE OF FUND BALANCE AND BOND PROCEEDS.
SO IT ACTUALLY HAS NO EFFECT ON THE RATE THAT YOU'LL SEE.
UM, AND, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE THERE, THE SUB FUNDS ARE SHOWING A DECREASE, AND THAT'S MOSTLY DUE TO ACCUMULATED FUND BALANCE THAT WE WERE ABLE TO UTILIZE.
UM, SO THIS CHART JUST SHOWS YOU WHERE OUR COSTS GO.
AS YOU CAN SEE, OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE IS OUR BUS BIGGEST EXPENSE COMES IN AT AROUND 61% THIS YEAR, AND THAT'S FOLLOWED BY CAPITAL PROJECTS, UH, THE SUB FUNDS, AND FINALLY, DEBT SERVICE AT AROUND $8 MILLION.
UM, SO REAL QUICK, JUST TO GIVE YOU A, UH, AN IDEA OF HOW WE CALCULATE THE RATE.
AND THIS IS A SIMPLIFIED EXAMPLE.
UM, BUT IN ESSENCE, WE TAKE THE COST OF OPERATIONS AND MAINTAINING THE SYSTEM, WHICH IS THE $55 MILLION, UH, NUMBER UP ON THE SLIDE.
AND WE DIVIDE THAT, UH, BY WHAT THE RESTRUCTURED AGREEMENT FOR WATER SUPPLY TELLS US, WHICH IS WE USE EITHER THE LESSER OF, UH, THE LAST THREE YEARS ANNUAL AVERAGE OF DELIVERIES OR THE LAST 12 MONTHS OF DELIVERIES.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE SLIDE, THE, THE 12 MONTH IS AC IS ACTUALLY THE LESSER NUMBER.
IT'S THE ONE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
UM, BUT THE RESTRUCTURED AGREEMENT DOES HAVE A STIPULATION THAT IF, BECAUSE OF DROUGHT OR OTHER WATER SUPPLY CONDITION, SONOMA WATER DOESN'T THINK THAT THIS IS REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT WE WILL SELL.
UM, WE CAN, WITH WAC APPROVAL, UH, DEVIATE FROM THAT NUMBER.
SO AT THE LAST TAC MEETING OR WAC MEETING WE DID, UH, PROPOSE AND THE WAC DID APPROVE USING THE THREE YEAR ANNUAL AVERAGE.
AND WHAT THAT DOES FOR US IS BY USING THE LARGER NUMBER, IT'S ACTUALLY 2.3% MORE THAN THE NUMBER WE HAD LAST YEAR THAT HELPED ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE RATE PRESSURE.
HAD WE NOT DONE THAT, WE WOULD'VE BEEN BUDGETING ABOUT 2.4% LESS THAN LAST YEAR, AND THAT WOULD'VE PUT ADDITIONAL PRESSURE ON THE RATE INCREASE.
UM, SO JUST KIND OF TO FARTHER TO, YOU KNOW, FARTHER EXEMPLIFY HOW MUCH DELIVERIES AFFECTS OUR RATE INCREASE.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE HERE THE THREE YEAR ANNUAL AVERAGE IN THE MIDDLE.
THAT'S THE RATE INCREASE WE HAVE USED, AND THAT IS RESULTING IN A RATE INCREASE OF NINE POINT.
AND THERE'S A TYPO ON THERE, 9.98%.
UM, HAD WE USED THE 12 MONTH NUMBER, WE ACTUALLY WOULD'VE BEEN 4.7% HIGHER, AND THE RATE INCREASE WOULD'VE BEEN OVER 14 AND A HALF.
UM, YOU KNOW, ALTERNATIVELY, IF WE HAD A HIGHER NUMBER FOR DELIVERIES, AND I PUT 44 5 UP THERE AS AN EXAMPLE, UH, WHICH IS, WHICH IS A NUMBER WE HAVE ACHIEVED IN THE NOT TOO DISTANT PAST, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD'VE HAD A RATE INCREASE WITH THE SAME COSTS UNDER 6%.
SO, YOU KNOW, AS I MENTIONED, THERE WAS THREE YEARS OF HISTORIC DROUGHT.
UM, THERE WAS MANDATED CONSERVATION MEASURES BY THE STATE.
UM, YOU KNOW, THIS LED TO OUR LOWEST WATER DELIVERY YEAR IN RECORD, UM, THAT RESULTED IN LOW WATER SALES REVENUE.
IT REDUCED SOME OF OUR FUND BALANCE RESERVES THAT WE USUALLY USE TO HELP OFFSET RATE INCREASES.
AND SO EVEN WITH THIS TWO, 2.3% RATE INCREASE IN, IN THE BUDGETED DELIVERY NUMBER, LOW RESERVES, YOU
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KNOW, INCREASING O AND M COSTS FOR CRITICAL PROJECTS HAS RESULTED IN THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL, UH, ADDITIONAL RATES.UM, WE DID WORK WITH THE BUDGET, UM, SUBCOMMITTEE EXTENSIVELY TO REDUCE THE RATE INCREASE FOR CUSTOMERS ON ALL THE AQS, INCLUDING THE PETALUMA AQUEDUCT.
AND WE WERE ABLE TO GET THE RATE INCREASE DOWN FROM 14.57 TO 9.98%.
UM, WE DID THIS BY DEFERRING $8.9 MILLION IN LOWER PRIORITY, UM, MAINTENANCE PROJECTS, UH, TRIMMING BUDGETS, YOU KNOW, USING GRANTS FUND BALANCE AND BOND PROCEEDS, AS I MENTIONED.
UH, AND ALSO USING THAT THREE YEAR ANNUAL AVERAGE NUMBER.
UM, I DID JUST WANNA POINT OUT ONE MORE THING, YOU KNOW, LAST, WE, WE DID NEED TO PROGRAM IN 2.25 MILLION, UH, IN USE OF OUR PRUDENT RESERVE IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE WE MEET OUR THREE MONTH OPERATING RESERVE, UH, IN THE FUND.
UH, IF WE DO IN FACT NEED TO USE THAT MONEY, THE WAC MIGHT NEED TO VOTE AT A LATER DATE, UH, TO REPLENISH SOME OF THOSE FUNDS, WHICH COULD HAVE AN IMPACT ON FUTURE YEAR RATE INCREASES.
UM, SO I THINK I MENTIONED IT A COUPLE TIMES BEFORE, BUT YOU KNOW, BASED OFF OF THIS, UH, THREE YEAR ANNUAL AVERAGE DELIVERIES, UH, THE RATE INCREASES ON THE AQUEDUCTS RANGE FROM ABOUT 8.14 TO 9.98%.
UH, PETALUMA IS GONNA SEE THAT 9.98%, UH, INCREASE WITHOUT THE USE OF THE GRANTS, UH, FUND BALANCE AND BOND PROCEEDS THAT WE PROGRAMMED IN THERE.
THE RATE INCREASE ACTUALLY WOULD'VE BEEN AROUND 47%.
UM, THE WATER CONTRACTORS DO HAVE, UH, THE DISCRETION IS SET IN AQUEDUCT, UH, CAPITAL CHARGE.
THIS ACTS AS BOTH THE RATE STABILIZATION TOOL AND ALSO BUILDS FUND BALANCE FOR FUTURE CAPITAL PROJECTS.
UH, THE CONTRACTORS ON THIS AQUEDUCT DID ELECT TO KEEP IT THE SAME AS LAST YEAR, WHICH IS CURRENTLY AT $0.
THIS SLIDE COMPARES OUR WATER RATES TO OTHER WHOLESALE WATER CONTRACTORS IN THE BAY AREA.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT SONOMA WATER IS ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE.
UH, WE CONTINUE TO HAVE VERY AFFORDABLE AND IN FACT, THE LOWEST, UH, PRICED WATER OF OUR SISTER AGENCIES IN THE BAY AREA.
I WOULD NOTE THAT ALL THESE OTHER AGENCIES ARE FACING THE SAME PRESSURES WE ARE.
THEY'RE HAVING LOWER DELIVERIES, THEY'RE HAVING HIGHER, UH, COSTS.
UM, SOME OF THEM WERE ABLE TO OFFSET REVENUE SHORTFALLS DURING THE DROUGHT 'CAUSE THEY HAVE DROUGHT SURCHARGES THAT THEY CAN CHARGE.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE HEARING, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY HAVEN'T ALL ALL SET THE RATES YET.
WHAT WE'RE HEARING, UH, IN PUBLISHED IN INFORMAL CONVERSATIONS IS THAT THEY'RE SEEKING RATE INCREASES OF UP TO 15% THIS YEAR.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS? WE'RE HERE TODAY TO, UH, REQUEST THAT THE COUNCIL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THEIR WAC REPRESENTATIVE ON HOW THEY SHOULD VOTE, UH, AT THE MEETING ON APRIL 8TH.
AND THEN WE PLAN ON TAKING THE BUDGET TO OUR BOARD ON APRIL 16TH.
UM, AND THIS IS JUST, UH, KIND OF AS A REMINDER.
UH, SONOMA WATER HAS BEEN PUTTING A LOT OF EFFORT INTO SOCIAL MEDIA AND PUTTING OUT VIDEOS, EXPLAINING THE STATE OF OUR SYSTEM AND, AND WHAT WE DO.
ALL THESE VIDEO TITLES THAT YOU SEE HERE ARE AVAILABLE ON OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL, AND THEY ARE REALLY, YOU KNOW, BENEFICIAL NOT ONLY FOR THE COUNCIL, BUT ALSO FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
AND I BELIEVE THERE'S ONE MORE SLIDE.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, IN SUMMARY, YOU KNOW, SONOMA WATER, OUR SYSTEM, THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS GRADUALLY AGING AFTER DECADES OF SERVICE, UM, SIGNIFICANT PORTIONS APPROACHING THE END OF ITS USEFUL LIFE.
UH, YOU KNOW, AND THAT COMBINED WITH SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF DEFERRED MAINTENANCE THAT WE DID OVER PREVIOUS YEARS TO TRY AND KEEP THE RATE LOWER, HAS REALLY NECESSITATED THAT WE NEED TO SEEK THESE INCREASES THIS YEAR.
UM, WE'VE MADE, MADE SEVERAL MEASURES WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEE IN ORDER TO TRY AND REDUCE THAT RATE.
AND WE WERE ABLE TO GET ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, A 4.7% REDUCTION IN THAT PROCESS.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WE REALLY NEED THIS RATE.
YOU KNOW, WE FEEL LIKE WE DEVELOPED A, A RESPONSIBLE AFFAIR RATE THAT REALLY SOFTENS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, UH, THE RATE INCREASE TO THE 600,000, UH, RESIDENTS THAT WE SERVE IN SONOMA COUNTY, IN MARIN COUNTY.
UM, SO THIS PROPOSED RATE INCREASE IS NECESSARY IN ORDER TO INVEST IN THE CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE AND REMAIN PREPARED FOR NATURAL HAZARDS.
UM, SO WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, LYNN AND I HAVE, UH, ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
AND, UH, I'D LIKE TO BRING IT UP TO COUNCIL TO, UH, HAVE, UH, COMMENTS BACK.
AND, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY, WELL, COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, VICE MAYOR STRIPS JUMP IN.
JUST TO, UM, BE CLEAR ON THE, UH, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT RATE INCREASES, THE PERCENTAGES, SOMETIMES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PER ACRE FOOT AND SOMETIMES ABOUT TOTAL.
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UM, AND I THINK WHAT YOU WERE PRESENTING IN A COUPLE OF GRAPHS, ONE WAS ONE, ONE WAS THE OTHER.UH, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A TOTAL RATE INCREASE OF TOTAL NOW OF ABOUT 10%, NINE TO 10%, OR IS IT THAT RATE PER ACRE FOOT, THAT'S THE RATE PER ACRE FOOT SINCE ACRE FOOT.
SO IF WE USE LESS WATER, THAT ACTUALLY IS LESS TOTAL MONEY THAT WE WOULD DELIVER TO, IN WHICH CASE WE HAVE TO MAKE IT UP LATER.
'CAUSE THE SERVICE STILL COSTS MONEY.
JUST WANNA BE CLEAR THAT, UH, EXPLAINING THAT PARTICULAR PART.
UM, AND SO EVEN THOUGH WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A 9.8% INCREASE IN, IN ACTUAL PER ACRE FOOT COSTS, IT'S GOOD CHANCE WE WILL, IF WE'RE GOING TO THE SAME DIRECTION WE'VE BEEN GOING IN THAT WE'RE STILL CONSERVING LIKE WE DID, AND EVEN WE CONTINUE TO CONSERVE EVEN MORE.
UM, SO THE TOTAL COST TO THE CITY MAY, MAY NOT CHANGE ALL THAT MUCH.
I MEAN, IT'S BASED ON ACTUAL DELIVERIES.
SO WE SET THE RATE, UH, ASSUMING A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF REVENUE, BUT IT REALLY, UH, BOTH FOR THE CITY AND THEN FOR ALL OF YOUR INDIVIDUAL RESIDENTS.
IT, IT DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH WATER THEY ACTUALLY USE.
SO WE STILL WANT TO CONSERVE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
UM, BUT THE MORE WE CONSERVE STILL THE, THE COST PER, UM, COUPLE OF WATER OR A GALLON OF WATER THAT WE DO, UM, STILL MAY HAVE TO GO UP.
BUT LOOKING AT THE PRICES YOU HAD DOWN THERE, UH, 0.40 CENTS PER GALLON, UH, COST TO, TO US AT THE MOMENT, THEN WE HAVE TO DELIVER IT.
WE'RE STILL WAY UNDER A PENNY A GALLON.
AND I REMEMBER EVEN BACK WHEN I WAS YOUNG, MY PARENTS TALKING ABOUT, OH, WATER'S REAL CHEAP.
SO AFTER 50 YEARS, WE'RE STILL AT A PENNY A GALLON, WHICH IS REALLY GOOD CONSIDERING IT'S OUR LIFE OF BLOOD THERE, EVERYTHING.
SO I WANNA THANK YOU FOR KEEPING THE PRICES LOW AND KEEPING THE SONOMA COUNTY VERY LOW.
UM, DO YOU SEE ANY FORECAST, SINCE WE ARE ALREADY THE LOWEST OF MOST OF THE AREA, THE BAY AREA UP HERE, BECAUSE WE HAVE A WONDERFUL SUPPLY OF THE RUSSIAN RIVER, UM, FOR THIS INFRASTRUCTURE 10 YEAR PLAN, IS THERE GOING TO BE A, ARE WE, IS THERE A HUGE NEED COMING UP SINCE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL THIS INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE 10 YEAR, 20 YEAR, OR 50 YEAR PLAN, THE LONG TERM, DO WE REALLY NEED TO REPLACE ALMOST EVERYTHING BECAUSE WE'RE ALMOST RUNNING OUTTA TIME ON ALMOST ALL THE EQUIPMENT? YEAH, SO, UH, LYNN ROSSELLI SONOMA WATER, UM, WE, UH, WE, WE DO HAVE A LONG RANGE FINANCIAL PLAN AND, UH, THE FINANCIAL PLAN IS, IS, UH, VERY SENSITIVE TO DELIVERIES.
SO THE LESS WATER WE DELIVER, THE HIGHER THE PROJECTIONS FOR FUTURE RATE INCREASES WILL BE.
UM, WE HAVE PUT INTO THE LONG RANGE FINANCIAL PLAN A NUMBER OF, YOU KNOW, A, A SUITE OF PROJECTS INCLUDING REPLACEMENT OF THE PETALUMA AQUEDUCT, INCLUDING THE SOUTH TRANSMISSION PIPELINE, UH, AND, UH, THE PETALUMA RIVER CROSSING.
SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PROJECTS IN THAT LONG RANGE FINANCIAL PLAN, AND I BELIEVE WE WERE, UH, PROJECTING ROUGHLY ON THE ORDER OF, YOU KNOW, 10 TO 11% RATE INCREASES GIVEN LOW WATER DELIVERIES GOING FORWARD.
SO IT'S VERY SENSITIVE TO DELIVERIES.
IF DELIVERIES WENT UP, THEN THOSE RATE INCREASES WOULD DROP.
IT'S JUST HAVE CONFIDENCE FOR, FOR THE CITIZENS THAT THIS AGING INFRASTRUCTURE IS PLANNED TO BE COMPLETELY REPLACED, AND SO THAT WE HAVE GUARANTEED WATER 20, 50, A HUNDRED YEARS FROM NOW.
WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE IN GOOD SHAPE.
WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING VERY HARD ON MAKING SURE THAT WE MAINTAIN THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND UPGRADE IT AND KEEP IT IN GOOD WORKING ORDER FOR THE COMMUNITY.
SO ONE OF THE GREAT CHALLENGES OF THIS EXERCISE EVERY YEAR IS THAT, UM, YOU HAVE A SYSTEM THAT'S PRIMARILY FIXED COST IN NATURE, AND YET YOU HAVE TO CHARGE BECAUSE OF THE RESTRUCTURED AGREEMENT, UM, BASED ON VOLUME OF WATER SALES, WHICH IS, UM, KIND OF TRYING TO POUND A POUND A ROUND PEG INTO A SQUARE HOLE IN A LOT OF WAYS, BUT IT'S PROBABLY LESS BRAIN DAMAGE THAN TRYING TO REOPEN THE RESTRUCTURED AGREEMENT FOR, UH, FOR RENEGOTIATION.
I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT AGAIN.
UM, LYNN, YOU MENTIONED, UM, POSSIBLE REPLACEMENT OF THE PETALUMA AQUEDUCT, AND I KNOW, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS BUILT ABOUT 62 YEARS AGO AND IT HAD A 50 YEAR DESIGN LIFE WHEN IT WAS BUILT, AND IT'S STILL DOING PRETTY WELL.
BUT IS THERE A PROJECTION FOR HOW, HOW FAR OUT IN THE FUTURE THAT MIGHT, MIGHT BE? YES.
SO, UM, I BELIEVE, LET ME SEE HERE.
I TOOK DOWN SOME NOTES, UH, THAT WE WOULD BE, UH, WORKING ON, UH, UH, REPLACING THE, UM, WORKING ON THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE, UM, REPLACEMENT OF THE PETALUMA AQUEDUCT, UH, BEGINNING IN 2033 TIMEFRAME.
UM, AND WE'RE PROJECTING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, 5 MILLION A YEAR FOR ABOUT EIGHT YEARS.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S AFTER THE CURRENT LEADERSHIP OF THE AGENCY RETIRES OUT.
UM, SO WITH THAT, UM, AS YOUR REPRESENTATIVE ON THE WATER ADVISORY COMMITTEE, UM, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE THE COUNCIL AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE DIRECTION IF IT WANTS
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TO, MY, MY INTENTION IS TO VOTE TO SUPPORT THIS, UM, AT THE APRIL EIGHT MEETING UNLESS THE COUNCIL WANTS TO, UH, DIRECT OTHERWISE AT THIS TIME.AND I'M LOOKING UP DOWN THE DIA FOR ANY OBJECTION TO THAT.
IT SEEMS THAT THE PRESENTATION HAS BEEN COMPELLING, UH, CONVINCING.
UM, I, I PERSONALLY AM A BIG FAN OF THE TANK RECRE COATING PROJECTS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE KEEP 'EM, UH, UM, THE STEEL COATED, WE'LL NEVER HAVE TO REPLACE 'EM, AND THAT'S A REAL ASSET.
AND ALSO THE CATHODIC PROTECTION SYSTEMS, UH, WHICH IF YOU HAVE STEEL PIPE, WHICH MOST OF SON WATER IS, UH, CAN EXTEND THAT LIFE WELL BEYOND WHAT WE CALL, YOU KNOW, AN ENGINEERING LIFE.
YOU GET A LOT MORE OUT OF IT WHEN CONFRONTED WITH THE COST OF REPLACING.
SO KEEP UP THAT PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE AND, UH, THANK YOU.
AND I THINK WE'VE GIVEN CLEAR DIRECTION TO OUR REPRESENTATIVE, SO I JUST WANNA THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION TONIGHT.
[GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT]
AGENDA IS THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, AND DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON ITEMS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THAT ARE WITHIN THE CITY COUNCIL'S SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION, AND THAT ARE NOT LISTED ON THE CURRENT AGENDA.PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES A PERSON, AND DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF PERSONS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL, THE TIME WILL BE ALLOCATED IN EQUAL SHARES.
UH, I'D LIKE TO ASK OUR CITY CLERK IF WE'VE RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS.
WE HAVE RECEIVED FIVE, AND THEY'RE POSTED TO THE WEBSITE ALL VIA EMAIL.
AND I'D LIKE TO INVITE OUR MODERATOR TO MAKE OUR COMMENTARY FROM THE EVENING.
THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, AT THIS TIME, I'LL START AT 32ND CLOCK.
FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ATTENDING IN PERSON SHOULD BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE SO.
SPEAKERS ARE REMINDED TO BE RESPECTFUL IN THEIR COMMENTS, AND THAT THIS MEAN IS BEING TRANSLATED.
PLEASE PAUSE BETWEEN SENTENCES FOR TRANSLATION.
THE TIMER BEHIND THE DA WILL BE RESET FOR EACH SPEAKER.
AND, UH, NOT SEEING ANYONE REACHING FOR THE BACK TABLE AND STRIDING TO THE FRONT, ADD ANOTHER CARD.
WE HAVE CLOSED THE, UM, PERIOD OF CARDS, AND I HAVE FOUR IN MY HAND, MEANING THAT EACH SPEAKER WILL BE ALLOWED THREE MINUTES PER PERSON, UH, TO MAKE COMMENTS.
AND I'D LIKE TO INVITE JOHN O'BRIEN TO COME TO THE PODIUM.
FIRST TO BE FOLLOWED BY SANDRA SHAN.
JOHN, ARE YOU HERE? HELLO, MY NAME IS JOHN O'BRIEN.
I MOVED INTO PETALUMA IN, UH, HALLOWEEN NIGHT, 77, AND I'VE BEEN THERE EVER SINCE.
THERE ARE THINGS THAT WERE DONE OVER THE TIME THAT EVERYBODY HERE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH, AND NOW WE HAVE TO SOLVE IT.
SO I'M HOPING WE CAN PUT, GET A MEETING.
I HAVE DOCUMENTS THAT I'VE SAVED OVER THE YEARS THAT YOURSELVES MAY NOT HAVE, AND I'LL GIVE YOU COPIES OF ANYTHING YOU NEED.
UH, BUT CAN WE SET UP A MEETING SUCH THAT WE DON'T HASH IT OUT HERE, BUT WE GO SOMEWHERE? I THINK THE RESOLUTION WILL BE THE CHEAPEST IF WE DON'T INVOLVE, UH, UM, LITIGATION OR THAT KIND OF THING.
BUT THERE'S THINGS THAT ARE WRONG, AND IF WE CAN DISCUSS IT AND COME WITH AN AGREEMENT, I THINK THAT WILL BE GOOD.
SO IF WE CAN SET UP A MEETING, OH, IT WAS ABOUT MY WASTE LATERAL AND PG AND E THE MAYOR DID ASSIGN DAN HERRERA, ENGINEER OF THE WATER DEPARTMENT TO WORK WITH ME ON IT.
IT WAS NEVER DOCUMENTED OR RECORDED, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYBODY HERE HAD KNOWS WHAT WAS GOING ON.
BUT THE REPEATED TERM FROM DAN HERRERA IS IF THE DAMAGE TO YOUR LATERAL IS OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET, IT'S A SLAM DUNK, PG AND E.
AND HE SAID THAT AT LEAST FIVE TIMES, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN DOCUMENTED YET, AND THERE'S BEEN NO, IN THE MEANTIME, THE RAINS OF THE WINTER SEEM TO HAVE MADE THE CITY.
WELL, IN MY FRONT YARD SEEMED TO HAVE MADE IT GO DOWN.
UH, AND WHEN DO YOU, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE TIMES IN THE PAST THERE WAS, AND THEN IT WASN'T.
AND SO IT SEEMED TO BE SOLVED.
BUT, UM, THIS WINTER, I THINK ANYBODY GOING OUT THERE AND LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY, I THINK THEY WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS WELL IS ABOUT TO GO UNDER.
AND THOSE THINGS WERE KIND OF SOLVED, BUT THE WELL WAS NEVER ABANDONED.
I HAVE ALL DOCUMENTS ABOUT WHEN
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THE WELL WAS CREATED, 20 OR 30 YEARS, IT OPERATED AS A CITY.WELL, AND PRIOR ADMINISTRATIONS, WHEN IT BEGAN SINKING PRIOR ADMINISTRATIONS MADE DECISIONS THAT YOU HAVE NO FAULT IN.
BUT IF WE CAN SIT DOWN AND EXCHANGE INFORMATION, UM, I HOPE, I ALWAYS TOLD, I RAISED THREE CHILDREN.
UM, I ALWAYS TOLD THEM EACH ONE OF US HAS ONE FOURTH OF THE HOUSE.
SO WHEN I TOOK OUT LOANS TO SEND 'EM TO COLLEGE, I SAID, WHATCHA WORRIED ABOUT MY DAD? I SAID, NO, NO, WE'RE BORROWING ONE FOR YOUR FOURTH OF THE HOUSE,
AND SO THEY SAID, WELL, OKAY,
JUST LET'S SET UP A MEETING SO WE DON'T HASH IT OUT HERE.
SANDRA SHAN TO BE FOLLOWED BY KENYATTA REYNOLDS.
COUNCIL MEMBERS, I BRING YOU AN UPDATE FROM THE UNITED NATIONS SECRETARY GENERAL.
HE ANNOUNCED THAT THE WORLD'S LEADING EXPERTS ON FOOD INSECURITY REPORT THAT FAMINE IS IMMINENT FOR 1.1 MILLION PALESTINIANS IN GAZA WHO'VE COMPLETELY EXHAUSTED THEIR SUPPLY OF FOOD.
HE CALLED IT AN APPALLING INDICTMENT OF THE CONDITIONS IN GAZA.
I FOUND THE RED CROSS PRESENTATION TONIGHT.
THIS IS THE DARKEST HOUR FOR PALESTINIAN CIVILIANS AND A SHAMEFUL HOUR FOR THE GOVERNMENTS OF THE UNITED STATES AND ISRAEL.
I AGREE WITH THE RED CROSS IDEA THAT THE ONLY CONSIDERATION SHOULD BE THE HUMANITARIAN NEED AND HOW TO MEET IT.
THE ISRAELI MILITARY HAS YET AGAIN ATTACKED AL SHEFA HOSPITAL HOUSING PATIENTS, MEDICAL STAFF, AND 30,000 DISPLACED CIVILIANS.
THIS ACTION IS FORBIDDEN UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW, AS IS DENIAL OF FOOD, WATER, AND MEDICAL CARE BASED ON INTERNATIONAL LAW AND HUMANITARIAN GROUNDS.
70 US CITY COUNCILS HAVE CALLED FOR A CEASEFIRE AND MORE THAN 150 NATIONS.
I JUST WANTED TO REMIND YOU, BEFORE YOU GO HOME FOR DINNER TONIGHT, TO EAT YOUR FILL WITH YOUR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN.
I WANTED TO REMIND YOU ABOUT THE CHILDREN IN GAZA WHO ARE BEING PURPOSEFULLY STARVED TO DEATH.
WHILE HUMANITARIAN ORGANIZATIONS FROM AROUND THE WORLD ARE BEGGING TO GET FOOD AND MEDICAL SUPPLIES INTO THESE INNOCENT CIVILIANS, YOU HAVE NOT DONE EVERYTHING YOU COULD TO STOP THIS AS A QUAKER.
I SEE MY JOB IN LIFE IS TO COMFORT THE TROUBLED AND TROUBLE, THE COMFORTABLE.
AND IT SEEMS TO ME YOU ARE FAR TOO COMFORTABLE WITH THIS UNROLLING SITUATION.
AND JUST BECAUSE NOBODY SPEAKS TO YOU ABOUT IT DOES NOT MEAN THIS IMMENSE SUFFERING IS NOT ONGOING.
HAS THE INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS CALLED FOR A CEASEFIRE? MY MEMORY ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH TO VERIFY THAT, BUT I PRAY THAT YOU WILL THINK ABOUT IT.
PERHAPS IF YOU COULD IMAGINE THOSE WERE YOUR CHILDREN OR YOUR GRANDCHILDREN, THERE IS MORE THAN ONE WAY TO SOLVE THIS, AND IT WILL BE MORE EASILY SOLVED WHEN THE BOMBS AND THE FIRING STOP.
THANK YOU, KENYATA REYNOLDS TO BE FOLLOWED BY TARAN O UH, OBEYED.
DO NOT, IT'S NOT HERE, BUT SHE ASKED YOU TO MAKE HER COMMENT LETTER.
IS THAT OKAY? UH, YES, PLEASE DO THAT AND AND ANNOUNCE WHO YOU ARE AND, OKAY.
UM, I'M JOANNA POND, SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF KENYATA REYNOLDS, AND SHE WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT THE TRA SORRY ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AND SAFETY ISSUES AROUND THE SCHOOLS, ESPECIALLY AROUND COSTA GRANDE HIGH SCHOOL.
UM, HER OLDEST DAUGHTER IS THERE NOW, AND SHE SITS IN FRONT OF THE SCHOOL EVERY DAY, HAS NOTICED JUST A LOT OF, UM, JUST SPEEDING,
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UM, UNSAFE LANE CHANGES NEAR ACCIDENTS, AND JUST HOPING THAT WE CAN GET SOME SORT OF TRAFFIC STUDY IN THAT AREA AND OR POLICE OFFICERS PRESENT, UM, JUST TO PROVIDE SOME ACCOUNTABILITY AND SAFETY FOR STUDENTS.THANK YOU VERY MUCH, TARA ABATE IS OUR LAST SPEAKER.
UM, I'M HERE FOR ANOTHER REASON TONIGHT, BUT I THOUGHT I'D TAKE THE GENERAL, UH, COMMENT OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO MENTION, UM, SOMETHING GOING ON WITH, UH, WE'VE GOT A GAP BETWEEN WHAT OUR CURRENT CITY'S, UM, STATED UNDERSTANDING AND PRACTICES OF TREE MANAGEMENT APPEAR TO BE AND WHAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING OUT THERE.
UM, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF COMMENTS THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS IN THE TREE ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
A LOT OF QUESTIONS TO STAFF, AND ALSO A LOT OF DISCUSSION WITHIN RELIEF, UM, OF US WHO HAVE BEEN IN INVOLVED WITH RELIEF FOR A, A LONG TIME.
UM, THERE IS A LARGE NUMBER, UH, WE CONTINUE TO GET TREE REMOVALS AND, UH, PRIMING THAT APPEARS TO BE SEVERE, UM, EXTREME PRUNING THAT REMOVES A LOT OF THE SHADE CANOPY IN AREAS WHERE IT IS JUST REALLY HOT IN THE CITY, LIKE MIDTOWN OR PAVED AREAS.
UM, THE CANOPY DESTRUCTION IS ALSO APPARENTLY, UM, OCCURRING AT THE WRONG TIME.
RIGHT ABOUT NOW IS APPARENTLY ACCORDING TO ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENTISTS, WHEN THE BIRDS ARE NESTING.
AND, UM, EVIDENTLY THIS IS GOING ON IN SOME OF THE PARKS NEAR ELLIS CREEK, SCHULLENBERGER.
IT OCCURRED DOWNTOWN ON KENTUCKY STREET, I THINK IT WAS LAST YEAR.
AND IN LIKE THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS, IT WAS OVER A HUNDRED DEGREES.
AND WE HAD NO SHADE IN FRONT OF SOME OF THE CAFES WHERE WE WERE ENJOYING SITTING OUTSIDE.
SO, AND THEN, UM, SOME PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT MCDOWELL AND THEN MOST RECENTLY ALONG LYNCH CREEK, YOU USED TO BE ABLE TO WALK FROM, UM, THE RIVER TO MCDOWELL AND NOT EVEN SEE THAT SENIOR COMPLEX.
SO MANY TREES HAVE BEEN REMOVED.
NOW, UM, I ESTIMATE ABOUT 40% OF THE CANOPY THAT WAS THERE HAS BEEN REMOVED.
IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY HOT AND PEOPLE ARE NOT GONNA BE ON THE TRAIL LIKE WE WANT THEM TO BE, TO REDUCE OUR CLIMATE IMPACTS, UM, BECAUSE IT'S JUST GONNA BE TOO HOT.
I'M GONNA BE ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE, PEOPLE'S GONNA HAVE TO CHOOSE MY CAR WITH THE AIR CONDITIONING TO GET DOWNTOWN BECAUSE THE EXTREME PRINTING HAS NOW CONTINUED TOWARD DOWNTOWN AND TO GET OVER TO LIKE THE DRUGSTORE, UM, IT'S JUST COUNTERPRODUCTIVE TO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
SO I'M HERE TO ASK, UM, THE STAFF TO PLEASE, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO ANSWER A QUESTION.
THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
UM, PLEASE, CAN WE NOT PRUNE TREES THAT HAVE A NICE CANOPY LIKE THIS OVER A TRAIL TO LIKE THIS? WE'RE WE'RE BEING REALLY SEVERE AND MAKING THINGS LIKE A VERY VERTICAL VASE.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE TO ASK TONIGHT.
THAT WAS OUR LAST SPEAKER, UM, PUBLIC COMMENT SPEAKER FOR THE EVENING.
AND WE CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT, GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, AND I'D LIKE TO BRING IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL.
[COUNCIL COMMENT]
AND, UM, WE HAVE COUNCIL COMMENT, WHICH IS GENERALLY TO PROVIDE, UH, LIAISON REPORTS AND OTHER ACTIVITIES THAT, UH, UH, COUNCIL HAS CONDUCTED SINCE ITS LAST MEETING.I'D LIKE TO START TONIGHT WITH COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY.
UM, SO NOT MUCH TO REPORT IN THE LAST WEEK, UM, BUT THE WATER SUPPLY COORDINATION COUNCIL, UH, DID MEET VIRTUALLY, UH, EARLIER TODAY.
AND THAT'S BASICALLY THE PRE WC MEETING TO SET THE AGENDA.
BUT THERE WAS SOME IN INTERESTING INFORMATION THAT I WANNA SHARE WITH THE COUNCIL, UM, REGARDING PROGRESS ON POTTER VALLEY.
UM, UM, FOLKS MAY KNOW THAT THERE WERE TWO ALTERNATIVE, UM, WATER DIVERSION, UH, UH, APPROACHES, UH, UNDER CONSIDERATION.
UM, AND TOMORROW THERE'S GONNA BE A VOTE AND IT'S GONNA NARROW IT DOWN TO ONE.
AND, UH, AND THAT'S GOOD NEWS IN TERMS OF PROGRESS AND MOVING THAT FORWARD.
AND THE, THE ONE THAT WAS, IS GOING TO BE SELECTED, UM, IS SUPERIOR, BOTH IN TERMS OF FISH PA, FISH PASSAGE, AND ALSO, UM, RELIABILITY OF, OF GETTING WATER DIVERTED INTO THE POTTER VALLEY, UH, PROJECT PENSTOCK.
SO, UM, I'M PLEASED TO REPORT THAT.
AND THAT'S ALL I HAD FOR TONIGHT.
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I GET TO GET UP EARLY AND GO DOWNTOWN AND HELP BEAUTIFY OUR DOWNTOWN.WE'RE CLEANING THE, THE SIDEWALKS FROM GUM OR WHATEVER, STICKERS THAT NEED TO BE REMOVED TO GRAFFITI REMOVAL, TO REPLANTING OUR, UM, PLANTERS THAT ARE IN FRONT OF OUR MERCHANTS DOWNTOWN AND JUST KIND OF TAKING A COUPLE OF HOURS TO, UM, BEAUTIFY DOWNTOWN.
AND THAT'S BEING PRESENTED BY THE DOWNTOWN ASSOCIATION AND OUR BID.
AND SO I'M HOPING TONIGHT'S MEETING DOESN'T GO TOO LONG 'CAUSE I HAVE TO BE DOWN THERE BRIGHT, NEARLY WITH MY GLOVES AND MY TOOLS AT EIGHT O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
UM, THE AIRPORT HAD A VERY SUCCESSFUL DISPLAY DAY ON SATURDAY, AND, UM, IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN OUT TO THE AIRPORT ON THE THIRD SATURDAY, UM, YOU'VE MISSED A GOOD TIME BECAUSE THE PILOTS OF PETALUMA ARE OUT THERE WITH THEIR AIRPLANES AND OUR YOUNG PEOPLE GET, AND FAMILIES GET TO ENJOY THE AIRPLANES ON DISPLAY NEXT MONTH.
I'M TRYING TO GET THEM TO MOVE IT TO THE SECOND SATURDAY OR THE FOURTH SATURDAY BECAUSE OUR THIRD SATURDAY IS OUR VETERAN EGGS DAY, AND THAT'S ON APRIL 20TH, AND IT'S GOT AN EARTH DAY THEME THIS YEAR.
UM, MOST OF MY MEETINGS, UH, SINCE THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING HAVE BEEN OF THE, UH, SONOMA COUNTY HOMELESS COALITION, UH, WHERE WE'VE BEEN, UH, WORKING TO FINALIZE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THE BIGGEST CHUNK OF MONEY WE COULD CONTROL, UH, DURING THE YEAR, WHICH IS ABOUT $8 MILLION.
UH, SOUNDS LIKE A LOT, UH, NOT COMPARED TO $12 MILLION IN REQUESTS FROM OUR HOMELESS PROVIDERS IN THE COUNTY, BUT WE'RE ALMOST THERE.
AND, UH, I THINK IT'S GONNA COME OUT BETTER, UH, A LITTLE BETTER THAN ANYONE THOUGHT.
UH, HARD TO GO INTO MUCH MORE DETAIL WITHOUT TAKING ANOTHER HOUR.
UM, AND ALL SECONDLY, I, UH, PARTICIPATED IN THE RELIEF TREE PLANTING ON THE SIDE ON SATURDAY, AND, UH, JUST HAD AN UNUSUAL EXPERIENCE OF, UH, BEING MORE TIRED AND SORE WITH THE INTRODUCTION OF A NEW PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.
USUALLY, UH, WE, THE STAKES THAT ARE, THAT ARE PUT NEXT TO A TREE TO MAINTAIN IT, YOU KNOW, TO KEEP IT FROM, UH, BEING KNOCKED OVER BY WIND AND SUCH, UM, THESE ARE TWO, TWO OR THREE STAKES NEAR TO THE TREE.
AND THESE STAKES ARE ABOUT THREE, THREE INCHES, UH, IN DIAMETER.
AND, UH, WE HAVE THESE POUNDERS ON TOP THAT WEIGH PROBABLY 20 POUNDS, AND YOU LIFT IT UP AND POUND IT DOWN.
AND THAT SEEMS PRETTY TOUGH WHEN YOU'RE DOING IT.
AND, YOU KNOW, UH, UM, SOMEONE LIKE ME MIGHT, MIGHT, YOU KNOW, MIGHT DO THAT, UH, I DON'T KNOW, NOT A HUNDRED TIMES, BUT MORE THAN 20 TIMES IN A, IN A DAY PLANTING TREES AND YOU HAVE SOME, SOME LEFTOVER EFFECTS FROM IT.
NOW WE HAVE THESE 50 POUND THINGS THAT HAVE A MOTOR ON THEM, A GASOLINE MOTOR, SO THAT, UH, YOU HAVE TO LIFT 50 POUNDS UP ON THE TOP ONCE YOU GET IT THERE, YOU, YOU JUST HAVE TO PUSH A BUTTON INSTEAD OF COMING.
BUT I WILL SAY THAT BY THE END OF THAT DAY, BY STARTING AT EIGHT 30 AND, AND BY NOON, UH, I NEEDED HELP ON THE LAST STREET TO GET IT UP TO THE TOP, I COULDN'T, I, I COULDN'T LIFT IT UP.
SO, UH, IT WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, AN INTERESTING, UH, UH, ISSUE WITH, UH, MORE MUSCULOSKELETAL ISSUE WITH SOMETHING THAT'S SUPPOSED TO MAKE THINGS EASIER.
WELL, UM,
UM, BUT I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT, UH, UH, UH, HOW MUCH WORK GOES INTO THE, UH, UM, HOMELESSNESS EFFORT THAT YOU PUT IN AND, AND HOW MUCH DIVIDEND THAT PAYS OFF FOR PETALUMA, FOR THAT, FOR, FOR THE HOMELESS OF PETALUMA AND FOR ALL OUR COMMUNITY, UH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE.
UM, I HAD, UH, A MEETING OF THE AIR DISTRICT STATIONARY SOURCE COMMITTEE, AND WE DISCUSSED, UM, INDIRECT SOURCE EMISSION REGULATIONS, UM, WHICH WAS PRETTY FASCINATING, LARGELY FOCUSING AROUND PORTS AND WHATNOT.
AND THEN WE ALSO DISCUSSED, UM, REALLY SORT OF A DEFUNCT PROCESS, UM, CALLED THE HEALTH RISK ASSESSMENT THAT IS APPLIED TO LARGE POLLUTERS LIKE CHEVRON AND, UM, JUST BASICALLY HOW THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO STONEWALL THE PROCESS FOR, UM, YEARS ON END.
SO OTHER THAN THAT, NO, NO REPORT OUT.
COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON.
UM, ON A FEW THINGS WITH, UH, MR. O'BRIEN, CAN WE JUST GET AN UPDATE SO WE FIND OUT, GET SOME INFORMATION.
STAFF IS ALREADY WORKING WITH MR. O'BRIEN, SO WE, WE'LL, WE'LL CIRCLE BACK ONCE THERE'S SOME RESOLUTION.
AND, UM, MS. FAR AS, UM, KENYATA REYNOLDS COMMENT, I AREN'T, WE WORKING ON CA CASA GRANDE AND MAKING
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THOSE WILL BE ALSO, UM, INVENTORIED IN OUR ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN.SO, AND WE'RE WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH ALL THE SCHOOLS, SO, OKAY, I APPRECIATE THAT.
AND I JUST WANT TO, UM, SAY AS THE SCTA REP AT THE LAST MEETING, UM, I HAD ASKED SOME QUESTIONS ON THE CORONA OVERCROSSING AND THEY WERE, UM, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE I KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING, HAVING IT SAFE FOR PEDESTRIANS, UM, A DA, UH, BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE CROSSING IS.
BUT WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IS THAT THERE USED TO BE A RAIL THAT WENT UNDER THE CROSSING, WHICH I KNEW, BUT, AND SO THAT'S WHY IT'S SO HIGH, AND THAT'S WHY THE TRAJECTORY IS SO HIGH GOING UP AND DOWN.
AND THERE IS TALK ABOUT POSSIBLY LOWERING THAT.
AND IF WE CAN DO THAT, THAT WOULD BE, UM, IDEAL.
I, YOU KNOW, I HOPE THE TIMEFRAME IS, YOU KNOW, SOON THAT WE ACTUALLY MAKE THAT A PRIORITY PROJECT, UM, ONCE WE GET ALL THE INFORMATION TO SEND TO SCTA, BECAUSE IT WILL MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE WITH THE SMART, UM, UM, EAST SIDE SMART STATION AND FOR SAFETY.
AND SO I WAS REALLY PLEASED TO HEAR THAT THEY'RE CONSIDERING THAT BECAUSE AS CALTRANS IS GOING OVER THE CORONA OVERCROSSING, THEY'RE REALIZING HOW LOW THE RAILING IS AND REALLY HOW DANGEROUS IT IS.
AND SO I WAS, UM, PLEASED TO HEAR THAT THAT IS AN OPTION.
AND I, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'D TALK ABOUT THE GROUND, YOU KNOW, THE, UM, SEA LEVEL RISE, I AM STILL CONCERNED ABOUT THE CROSSING OVER THE RIVER, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE ON THE, UM, WEST SIDE OF CORONA.
AND SO I THINK WE NEED TO REALLY LOOK AT THIS CLOSELY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE, UM, THAT IT'S SAFE BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THAT AREA DOES FLOOD.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, UM, SINCE SMART IS NOW WORKING ON THE RAIL STATION ON THE EAST SIDE, THEY'RE ALSO CHANGING SOME TRACKS AND MAKING CHANGES.
AND SO I GOT A CALL FROM SOMEBODY THAT LIVES AT PETALUMA STATES SEVEN 30 IN THE MORNING AT JACKHAMMER.
AND SO, AND THEY'RE, THEY WERE GONNA BE CLOSING DOWN AND DOING WORK AT NIGHT.
SO I DID CONTACT SMART AND I JUST WANNA SAY THAT THEY GOT ON IT IMMEDIATELY.
UM, SO PEOPLE AT PETALUMA STATES, ESPECIALLY THE ONES LIVING RIGHT ON MCDOWELL, WERE NOTIFIED OF, UM, THE TIMEFRAME AND THE CLOSURES.
UM, ANOTHER THING IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT OUR POOLS, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA KEEP 'EM OPEN.
WELL, THE SANTA ROSA JUNIOR COLLEGE JUST HAD A LIFEGUARD CLASS THAT JUST STARTED AND IT WAS LIKE $69.
AND SO GREAT TO BE PROMOTING THAT.
UM, SO WE CAN GET YOUNG PEOPLE TO WANT TO BE LIFEGUARDS IN THE SUMMERTIME.
IT'S A REALLY RIGOROUS PROGRAM BECAUSE MY HUSBAND HAPPENS TO BE DOING IT BECAUSE HE IS A LIFEGUARD AT KAVANAUGH POOL.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, HE'S 73 AND HE CAN KEEP UP AND OUT OF 11.
UM, THERE'S ONLY SEVEN REMAINDER.
IT'S ONLY BEEN THE FIRST DAY OF SWIMMING, SO IT'S REALLY A TOUGH CLASS.
BUT LAST TIME HE TOOK IT, I THINK IT COST HIM $400 'CAUSE HE WENT THROUGH A PRIVATE, YOU KNOW, COMPANY.
AND SO THIS IS $69, SO IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD REALLY PROMOTE, UM, FOR STUDENTS WHO WANT, UM, A JOB IN THE SUMMER.
UM, VICE MAYOR, WHAT DO WE HAVE TODAY? UM, LONG LIST, UNFORTUNATELY OF LOTS OF ACTIVITIES.
UM, SO IN THE AG AND OPEN SPACE, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A MEETING THIS MONTH.
HOWEVER, I DID GO TO THE CHANCELLOR RANCH, THEIR OPEN HOUSE, UH, THAT WAS THE, UH, LIKE A KEYNOTE, UH, SESSION THERE.
UH, IT IS, UH, 300 ACRE PROPERTY THAT'S UP ON THE COAST THAT ALL OUR MONEY IS GOING TO, UM, THROUGH THE AG AND OPEN SPACE.
AND IT'S A WONDERFUL PLACE AND IT'S OPEN NOW TO THE PUBLIC.
YOU CAN GO TAKE A HIKE, RIDE A HORSE.
UM, THEY'VE GOT, UH, UM, UH, BRAND NEW PORTA-POTTIES THERE, AND THE TRAILS ARE VERY NICE.
SO I WAS ABLE TO WALK AROUND THERE EVEN, UH, STOPPED RAINING FOR A LITTLE WHILE, SO IT WAS REALLY NICE TO WALK AROUND AND IT WILL IN ONE YEAR.
THEY'RE GONNA TAKE OVER IN ONE YEAR AND THEY'RE ALREADY WORKING ON IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE PARKING LOT AND OTHER THINGS.
SO THAT'S GONNA BE A WONDERFUL PLACE TO, TO VISIT, UH, UP THE COAST THERE.
IT'S ALL RIGHT ON, RIGHT ON SONOMA, UH, SALMON CREEK.
IT'S RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO IT, AND YOU OVERLOOK IT AND WONDERFUL VIEWS THAT YOU CAN SEE FROM THERE.
IT'S GOOD, GOOD PROPERTY TO HAVE.
UM, ON THE NORTH BAY, UH, WATERSHED ASSOCIATION, THERE WAS A, UH, MEETING AND A TALK.
UH, THE PERSON THAT CAME WAS THE HEAD OF THE, THE, A NEWLY NEW PERSON IN THE SPOT FOR THE SAN FRANCISCO BAY REGIONAL WATER CONTROL BOARD.
AND SHE MADE A PRESENTATION ON WHAT'S GOING ON, UM, PARTICULARLY TALKING ABOUT THE PETALUMA STUDY THAT'S BEING ON THE SEDIMENT STUDY.
AND IT'S ACTUALLY, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SEDIMENT IN, IN ADOBE CREEK AS THE FOCAL POINT, SHE ACTUALLY STARTED EXPLAINING IT'S ACTUALLY A MUCH, MUCH BIGGER STUDY THAT'S BEING DONE, UM, AS A, AS A PILOT STUDY FOR THE ENTIRE BAY AREA.
SO NOT ONLY THEY GOING OVER THE SEDIMENTS, BUT ALSO THE, UH, TMDL, UH, WHICH IS DO WITH THE
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PATHOGENS IN OUR RIVER.UH, MAJOR STUDIES BEING DONE ON THAT.
UM, AND THEY'RE LOOKING FOR VARIOUS SOLUTIONS FOR THE, UM, E COLI CONTAMINATION THAT WE GET IN OUR RIVER.
THERE'S GONNA BE IMPACTS PROBABLY ON OUR DAIRIES AND ON TRASH CONTROL.
AND, UM, THEY'RE ALSO COMBINING THAT LOOKING AT GROUNDWATER PARTS.
PART OF THAT AS WELL AS FOUND OUT THERE'S GONNA BE NEW RULES FOR ROAD PAVING.
UM, THERE'S GONNA BE IMPLICATIONS THERE THAT MAY ALREADY BE IN PLACE SO THAT WHEN WE REPAVE A ROAD, THE WATER QUALITY WE NEED, THERE'S HIGHER SPECIFICATIONS NOW WET, WHAT YOU DO AND HOW YOU DO IT ALL 'CAUSE OF PROTECT THE WATER AND, UH, UM, UM, PROTECT THE WATER FROM ANYTHING THAT'S COMING OFF THE ROADS.
DURING REPAY REPAVING, THE, LIKE, THE, UH, MOVING ON THE CLIMATE COMMISSION DID, UH, MEET WITH, WITH PLANNING TOGETHER AND DID REVIEW THE FLOOD AND, UH, UM, SEA LEVEL RISE MODELING.
SO A LOT MORE INPUT GOING ON THERE.
SO THAT'S GONNA BE, UH, TRYING TO GET THE INFORMATION OUT.
THE NEXT ONE I PARTICIPATED, THERE WAS A HISTORIC PLANTING OF A, UM, GINKGO TREE THAT WAS ABOUT, UH, A FEW YEARS OLD, THREE OR FOUR YEARS OLD.
IT WAS IN A FIVE GALLON CONTAINER, BUT THIS GINKGO TREE WAS GROWN FROM SEED.
THE SEED WAS ACQUIRED FROM ORIGINALLY THE, THE, IT'S A PROGENY OF THE HAMA TREE THAT SURVIVED THE NUCLEAR BLAST.
SO IT WAS A GREAT HONOR TO BE THERE TO PLANT THIS TREE FROM THAT PROGENY, UH, SUPPORTING, UM, UH, AWARENESS FOR, UM, UH, NUCLEAR, UH, SITUATIONS AND, UH, UH, ASKING FOR WORLD PEACE.
SO IT WAS A VERY NICE EVENT THERE.
THERE WAS, UM, ALSO PARTICIPATED IN A WEBINAR ON, UH, A GREENLAND ICE SHEET MELTING.
AND THE, THE NEW INFORMATION THAT'S COMING OUT IS THAT THE COLD, FRESH WATER THAT'S COMING OFF OF IT IS, IS EVEN FASTER AND MORE THAN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY THOUGHT.
AND THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY ALREADY BEGINNINGS OF AN IMPACT ON OUR OCEAN CONVEYOR BELT.
UM, THAT'S ALREADY BEING NOTICED.
SATELLITES ARE SEEING, UM, UH, ZONES OF COLD, FRESH WATER, UNEXPECTED TO BE THAT MUCH OF AN IMPACT, BUT IT'S ALREADY STARTING TO HAPPEN.
SO JUST CLIMATE CHANGE IS COMING.
EVERY MORE EVIDENCE OF THAT WE NEED TO TAKE ACTION.
UM, I PARTICIPATED IN THE BLUE ZONES TRANSITION TEAM.
ANOTHER THING I'M WORKING ON, UM, AND THERE'S GONNA BE A KICKOFF FROM THE BLUE ZONES ON APRIL 14TH AT THE SA SANTA ROSA JUNIOR COLLEGE.
UM, THEN LAST, UH, JUST THIS SA SATURDAY, UH, OVER 70 TREES WERE PLANTED IN, IN OPEN FIELD NEAR CORONA SCHOOL BY RELIEF PETALUMA, AND THERE MAY BE MORE COMING IN, UM, NEXT DOOR.
I'M ALSO ON THE LEADERSHIP GROUP, AND WE MAY BE PLANTING MORE TREES NEAR NEARBY.
UM, THERE WAS A, UM, I DID PARTICIPATE IN A, UH, BIKE RIDE, UH, ACTUALLY A, A, UM, TRAIN LIKE, LIKE A BIKE TRAIN, UH, TAKING THE, UH, STUDENTS TO, UM, LIVE OAKS CHARTER SCHOOL.
AND THERE WAS, UM, AND AFTER COMPLETING THAT, THAT WAS A FIRST FOR THEM AND IT HAD LOTS OF PARTICIPANTS.
OVER 30 FOLKS WERE SHOWING UP, LIKE 15 STUDENTS AND ALMOST, UH, 10, 15 ADULTS IN THERE.
THEN THE, UM, THEN AS I WAS COMING BACK AT BERNARD ELDRIDGE, UH, I SAW A GROUP OF FOLKS THERE TALKING TO OUR ROAD ENGINEERS, AND THEY WERE ALREADY MEETING AND TALKING ABOUT SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL AT BERNARD ELDRIDGE.
AND SO I JOINED IN THERE FOR AN HOUR AND, UH, THEY, THEY'RE COMING UP WITH IDEAS AND PLANS OF MOVING TRAFFIC AND MAKING IT MUCH SAFER FOR, UM, STUDENTS TO GET THERE, UH, ON ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION, BUSES AND BIKES AND WALKING.
UM, AND THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER, UH, WE DID HAVE SUCCESS, VERY SUCCESSFUL CROSSTOWN CONNECTOR SEMINAR.
UH, LOTS OF FOLKS SHOWED UP ABOUT 50, I THINK ESTIMATED WHAT WAS THERE AND ALL GIVING THE INPUT ON, UH, SEVERAL OF THE, UM, CROSSTOWN CONNECTIONS THAT COULD BE THERE.
SO LOTS OF, UH, CITIZEN ENGAGEMENT, UH, FOR THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
SO IT WAS ALL REALLY GOOD THINGS HAPPENING HERE THIS LAST, UH, FEW WEEKS.
AND, UM, UH, JUST A, A NOTE, UM, BERNARD ELRIDGE ALSO ALSO KNOWN AS, UM, SORRY, WAS MORE
AND THE KEY PART OF THAT IS SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL AND, UM, MANY, MANY MOVING PIECES IN, IN OUR, UM, ENGINEERING GROUP AND, UM, ELSEWHERE ABOUT TRYING TO IMPROVE THAT.
SO WHAT, UH, MS. REYNOLDS SAYS RESONATES WITH ALL OF US THAT, UH, WE REALLY NEED TO, UM, WE REALLY NEED TO MAKE THINGS SAFE, A AND B, WE REALLY NEED TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO DO THAT, OR WE DON'T HIT OUR CLIMATE GOALS.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, CHICKEN AND EGG OR, OR ANOTHER WAY OF LOOKING AT IT IS BOTH ARE CRITICALLY IMPORTANT.
UM, AND, UH, FOR THAT REASON, UM, UM, I
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WAS ALSO WITH OUR, OUR, UH, VICE MAYOR ON THAT, UH, LIVE OAKS TO SCHOOL.UH, WE, WE CAME FROM A DIFFERENT DIRECTION.
IT'S FUNNY HOW FAR KIDS TRAVEL TO GO TO DIFFERING SCHOOLS.
UH, AND I WANT TO NOTE THAT OUR CITY MANAGER WAS IN THERE, UM, SUPPORTING IT AND BEING, BEING ON THE RIDE.
UM, AND SO THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF COMMITMENT IN THAT.
UH, AND ALSO, UH, WE HAVE, UH, BLUE ZONES AS AN ACTIVE PROGRAM IN TOWN.
IF YOU'RE NOT INVOLVED, GET INVOLVED.
UM, THE BIG EVENT, UH, THAT, UH, THE VICE MAYOR MENTIONED, BUT UH, THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT SEGMENT OF THEIR WORK, WHICH WE HAD, UH, A MEETING ON, FOCUSES ON HOW WE CAN MAKE SAFE ROUTES AND, AND, UH, SAFE STREETS.
UM, AND, AND THOSE, UM, YOU KNOW, AND IT, IT WOULD BE WRONG TO NOT NOTE THE OTHER PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY OPERATE INDEPENDENT OF THE CITY, SUCH AS, UH, WHAT PPSC IS DOING FOR MCKINLEY AND THE THE WALKING SCHOOL BUS.
IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT GETTING OUTTA YOUR CAR, ONTO YOUR BIKE, IT'S ALSO GETTING ON YOUR FEET.
AND, UH, REALLY APPRECIATE, UH, THE PROGRAM THAT PPSC HAS PUT TOGETHER, HAVING SENIORS ASSIST IN A WALK TRAIN TO THEIR SCHOOL.
REAL GOOD STUFF GOING ON IN OUR COMMUNITY.
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UM, I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO OUR CITY MANAGER FOR HER COMMENTS.THANK YOU MAYOR AND THANK YOU COUNCIL AND COMMUNITY.
I JUST WANTED TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY, UM, TO THANK AONE ZAVALA.
UM, HE HAS BEEN OUR SENIOR MANAGEMENT ANALYST FOR AT LEAST THE LAST THREE YEARS IN OUR OFFICE, BUT HE'S BEEN WITH THE CITY FOR, UM, NEARLY FIVE YEARS, AND HE IS UH, TAKING A PROMOTIONAL OPPORTUNITY IN, UH, THE CITY OF PLEASANTON AS ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER.
AND JUST WANT TO, UH, JUST THANK HIM SO VERY MUCH FOR ALL OF HIS WORK ON, ON THE INDEPENDENT POLICE AUDITOR ON OUR DEIB EFFORTS ON SO MANY THINGS THAT YOU HAVE ADDED YOUR TOUCH TO ERIN.
AND, UH, WE'RE FOREVER CHANGED.
THAT CONCLUDES MY COMMENTS FOR THIS EVENING.
THAT MOVES US, UH, TO OUR CONSENT CALENDAR FOR THE EVENING, AND I'M LOOKING UP AND DOWN THE DIOCESE TO SEE IF ANYONE, UH, WANTS TO REMOVE AN ISSUE FROM, UH, THE CONVERSATION OR, UM, LACKING THAT.
HOW ABOUT IF WE HAVE A COMMENT? UH, COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON.
I HAVE A COMMENT ON NUMBER FIVE, AND THE COMMENT IS, IT REALLY DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE CONSENT ITEM EXCEPT IT'S THE SAME PROJECT.
UM, I'D LIKE AN UPDATE ON THE, THE ELECTRICAL LINES FROM THE D STREET BRIDGE TO LAKEVILLE.
UM, AND SEE, I KNOW THAT, UM, THE PROJECT WILL BE UNDER GROUNDING THREE OR FOUR AND THERE'S THREE OR THREE LEFT OR REMAINDER, AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET THOSE LINES UNDERGROUND ALL AT THE SAME TIME SO WE CAN MAKE IMPROVEMENTS.
I CAN GIVE YOU A SHORT VERSION AND I IRONICALLY HAVE OUR, UH, CIP MANAGER HERE, JUST IF I GET SOMETHING WRONG, JONATHAN FLAGGED ME.
UM, STAFFER LOOKING AT IT AS YOU KNOW, IT'S AN EXPENSIVE ENDEAVOR.
OH, GOOD, KENT, YOU'RE GONNA SPEAK TO IT.
A CITY ENGINEER AT KENT CRUTHERS.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN EXPENSIVE ENDEAVOR AND SO WE CURRENTLY HAD THE RULE 20 A MONIES FROM PG AND E SAVED FOR BODEGA TO FINISH UNDERGROUNDING.
THOSE LINES AND STAFF HAVE TAKEN THE TIME TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN ADDRESS THE D STREET AND, AND SEE HOW WE CAN TAKE CARE OF BOTH.
UM, MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER.
I'M KENT CARRUTHERS, UM, CITY ENGINEER.
SO STAFF HAS MET WITH PG E TO, TO GET THE INITIAL, UM, DIRECTION HOW THEY, THEY, THEY FORM THESE DISTRICTS IS FORMING A NEW DISTRICT FOR, FOR THAT AREA.
AND THEN WE WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT TRANSFERRING THE MONEY FROM THE, UH, BODEGA BAY PROJECT.
SO WE ALSO ARE, UM, CORRESPONDING WITH THE OTHER UTILITY AGENCIES IN THE AREA TO MAKE SURE IT'S A BIG ENOUGH, UM, DISTRICT THAT WE'RE CAPTURING, YOU KNOW, MORE, UM, LOW HANGING FRUIT, ESPECIALLY WITH AT AND T THERE'S BEEN, UM, PROJECTS ON LAKEVILLE FOR UNDERGROUNDING, SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE, UM, INCLUDE EVERYTHING IN THE FORMATION OF A NEW DISTRICT.
SO WE'LL BE BE BRINGING THAT TO COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION WITH THE CONSTRAINTS AND OPPORTUNITIES AND HOW THE BODEGA, UM, UNDERGROUNDING THE RULE 20 WILL BE, UM, BASICALLY PUT ASIDE TO, TO DO THIS ON, CAN I, ON D STREET, JUST TAKE A MINUTE TO RECAP.
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UM, LOOKING AT ITEM FIVE ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR, IT'S ABOUT OYSTER COVE A DEVELOPMENT, WHO IS DOING, UM, SOME UNDERGROUNDING WORK IN FRONT OF THEIR PROPERTY.AND THE GAP IS, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE QUESTIONING FROM OYSTER CO.
IT'S THE GAP THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT TO LAKEVILLE.
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OKAY, THANK YOU.YEAH, BECAUSE, AND IS THAT JUST THE TRA UM, IT'S JUST PRIMARY AND SECONDARY.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE TRANSMISSION TOWERS, RIGHT? NO.
I APPRECIATE THIS AND I WOULD LIKE, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO IT COMING BACK.
'CAUSE IF WE'RE GONNA BE DEVELOPING IN THIS AREA, WE HAVE TO BE SMART AND DO THINGS AHEAD OF TIME INSTEAD OF AFTER THE PROJECT IS DONE.
UH, VICE MAYOR, UM, YEAH, JUST ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR, UH, WHICH IS ABOUT THE BASEBALL FIELD, UH, THAT, UH, OVER THERE ON, ON WASHINGTON.
AND I THINK THERE IS, UM, UH, COULD BE USEFUL TO HAVE A DESCRIPTION OF WHAT WE ARE ACTUALLY PAYING FOR AND, UH, WHAT WE'RE, WHAT IT SAYS COMPLETION OF THIS PROJECT BY, BY THEM.
BUT THE PROJECT ISN'T QUITE TOTALLY COMPLETE.
SO JUST THAT, UM, MAYBE INFORMING FOLKS THAT WE HAVE, UM, THAT THERE'S MORE TO BE DONE OVER THERE, BUT WE'RE GONNA NEED TO DO IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY WITH OTHER CONTRACTS SO THAT IT ISN'T TOTALLY A HUNDRED PERCENT SO THE PUBLIC ISN'T TOTALLY IMPRESSED.
IT'S STILL MISSING BITS AND PIECES HERE, AND I THINK WE, WE NEED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.
SO JUST A LITTLE COMMENT AND DISCUSSION ON THAT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE AND, AND WE HAVE STAFF HERE, UH, TO ADDRESS THAT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER REBS, BUT JUST, UM, AS REGARDING THIS AGENDA ITEM, THE PROJECT THAT WE ARE REFERENCING IS THE BASE BID OF THE, OF THE BALL FIELD.
SO, UM, AND I THINK THAT THE STAFF HAD MENTIONED IN THE STAFF REPORT WHAT THAT IS, BUT I'M SURE THAT THEY CAN GO BACK THROUGH THAT IF, YEAH.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS ABSOLUTELY THIS, UH, THAT THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN COMPLETION OF THIS PROJECT VERSUS COMPLETION OF THE BALL FIELDS TOTAL PACKAGE THAT WE REALLY WANT TO HAVE.
SO THE PUBLIC IS AWARE, UM, THAT, THAT WE STILL NEED A LOT MORE MONEY YES.
UH, THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH THE BASEBALL FOLKS, UM, THE, THE NONPROFIT, UM, GROUPS, UH, TO, TO FINISH THE PROJECT AND, AND STILL NEED SOME HELP ON THAT.
SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC IS AWARE THAT, UM, WE NEED TO DO MORE.
AND I KNOW IN THE, UH, RIBBON CUTTING, WE WILL HAVE TABLES THERE SOME MONEY FOR A LOT OF THINGS.
SO YES, DEFINITELY DONATIONS GLADLY ACCEPT AS I THINK WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE.
WELL, I DO THINK WE, THAT YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT THAT WE SHOULD BE THANKING OUR, UH, PARTNERS, UH, LEGHORNS, UH, BALL AND OTHERS WHO HAVE STEPPED UP.
AND WE SHOULD NOTE THAT IT'S JUST THE NEXT PHASE OF THAT ENTIRE PROJECT BUILT OUT, WHICH STARTED, I MEAN, THE CONCEPT STARTED IN 2007, BUT CONSTRUCTION IN 2014 OR SO.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND SO MANY OF THE AMENITIES ARE GONNA GET BUILT OUT AT, UH, OVER TIME AND AS FUNDS BECOME AVAILABLE, EVEN LANDSCAPING THROUGH THE REST OF THE PROPERTIES.
UM, AND COUNCIL MEMBER HEALEY.
YEAH, I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS ALSO ON, UH, AGENDA ITEM FOUR.
AND THE COUNCIL RECEIVED SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION FROM FROM STAFF THIS AFTERNOON TALKING ABOUT THE, UM, THE WETLANDS, UH, REPLACEMENT ISSUE.
AND I, I WANTED TO, AND THE MATERIAL INDICATES THAT THE PLAN IS TO GET APPROVAL FROM, FROM ROOSTER RUN BY APRIL TWO TO SUBMIT BACK TO THE STATE WATER BOARDS.
UM, AND, AND, AND, AND, AND IT KIND OF SAYS, AMBIGUOUSLY THAT THE APPROVAL MAY REQUIRE A LEASE AMENDMENT FOR THE RISK TO RUN GOLF COURSE PROPERTY.
AND I WANTED TO KNOW IF, IF THE DESIGN THAT STAFF IS IS PROPOSING WOULD, WOULD, OR WOULD NOT REQUIRE A LEASE AMENDMENT, CAN STAFF RESPOND TO THAT? OR DO WE KNOW GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS? UH, MY NAME IS JONATHAN SOLER.
I'M THE ENGINEERING MANAGER FOR THE CITY, SO WE'RE NOT 100% SURE IF IT WILL REQUIRE LEASE AMENDMENT.
WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THAT WITH THE CITY'S ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
UM, BUT A MAJORITY OF THE WETLANDS MITIGATION IS ON THE CITY PROPERTY THAT IS LEASED BY THE GOLF COURSE.
UM, WE WEREN'T ABLE TO FIT IT ALL ON THE BASEBALL PROPERTY.
UM, SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH THAT PROCESS TRYING TO COME UP WITH ALTERNATIVE DESIGNS TO TRY AND MOVE THAT ALL ONTO OUR PROPERTY.
BUT THE AMOUNT OF WETLANDS MITIGATION AREA THAT WE NEED TO, UH, PERFORM JUST DOESN'T FIT WITHIN OUR PROPERTY.
AND WE'RE TRYING NOT TO ALSO PRECLUDE OURSELF IN A FUTURE PHASE BY CREATING A WETLANDS AND THEN HAVING TO TAKE THAT OUT IF WE DO A, YOU KNOW, THE THIRD PHASE OF THAT MASTER PLAN OR COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT, UM, OPTION FOR THAT THIRD PHASE OF THE EAST WASHINGTON FIELDS, UH, LOCATION.
SO I, I GUESS I HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY THEN.
UM, IF, IF IT LOOKS LIKE THE PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE THAT STAFF IS LOOKING AT TO SUBMIT BY APRIL TWO IS GOING TO BE AT LEAST PARTLY ON THE ROOSTER RUN LEASEHOLD, WHAT, WHY WOULD THAT NOT REQUIRE A LEASE AMENDMENT? IT, IT, IT MAY, WELL, UM, THE
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ISSUE, IT'S A LITTLE COMPLICATED BECAUSE, UM, OF THE ISSUE OF THERE BEING IRRIGATION FACILITIES ON ROOSTER RUN, AS WAS DISCUSSED IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION FROM STAFF, UM, WITHIN THE WETLANDS.UM, AND THAT CREATING REGULATORY PROBLEMS FOR THE CITY AND ROOSTER RUN IN TERMS OF THE LOCATION OF THOSE FACILITIES.
SO, UM, SO IT BEHOOVES US TO WORK OUT SOMETHING THAT'S MUTUALLY AGREEABLE.
UM, A A CARVE OUT FROM THE LEASE SITE WOULD CERTAINLY REQUIRE A LEASE AMENDMENT, BUT THERE, THERE ARE CONCEIVABLY OTHER WAYS TO ADDRESS THAT.
I THINK WE NEED TO TALK THROUGH IT.
IT'S BEEN A PRETTY LONG DISCUSSION WITH STAFF ABOUT, ABOUT THE, UM, THE CITY'S OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE FOR THE RELOCATED WETLAND, UM, ABOUT ITS HAVING BEEN CITED ON THE RUN PROPERTY AND, AND YOU KNOW, IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT WE DIDN'T, UM, HAVE THAT INFORMATION TO DISCUSS WHEN WE WERE WORKING ON THE, HAVING THE EXTENDED DISCUSSIONS THROUGH THE ROOSTER RUN.
UM, IT WOULD'VE BEEN PREFERABLE OBVIOUSLY TO HAVE THAT BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION, BUT UNFORTUNATELY LACKS THAT INFORMATION.
SO, UM, SO I, AND, AND I'M SORRY I DON'T HAVE A EASY OR A QUICK OR A CLEAR ANSWER, BUT, UM, A LEASE AMENDMENT MAY BE REQUIRED.
CERTAINLY COOPERATIVE DISCUSSIONS ARE GONNA BE REQUIRED, AND I THINK THEY'RE IN BOTH PARTIES INTEREST.
UM, I'LL ADD, UM, TO THAT, THAT, UM, THE DESIGN THAT STAFF WERE WORKING ON, UM, THAT WOULD'VE HAD WETLAND FACILITIES IN THE AREA OF THE IRRIGATION FACILITIES AT ROOSTER RUN WOULD'VE PROVIDED SIGNIFICANT BENEFITS TO ROOSTER RUN BECAUSE OF, UM, THE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD RESULT.
SO, UM, IT, IT'S CERTAINLY DESIRABLE TO, UM, FULFILL THE CITY OBLIGATIONS REGARDING THE WETLAND RELOCATION AND, YOU KNOW, BENEFIT THE CITY'S FEE PROPERTY THAT ROOSTER RUN LEASES FOR THE GOLF COURSE.
AND, AND IS IT REALISTIC TO EXPECT ALL THIS TO GET DONE BY APRIL TOO, SO IT CAN BE RESUBMITTED AS STATED IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL STAFF MATERIALS TODAY? THAT'S VERY CHALLENGING TIMING, I THINK.
SO I THINK WE HAVE TO CIRCLE BACK TO THE COUNCIL ABOUT THAT.
UM, I'D LIKE TO OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT ON OUR CONSENT CALENDAR AND, UM, SO WE HAVE ITEMS ONE THROUGH EIGHT HERE, AND, UM, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON THESE ITEMS LISTED.
AND, UM, AND THE, THE PUBLIC COMMENTS WILL AGAIN BE, UH, LIMITED TO THREE, THREE MINUTES.
AND I'D LIKE TO ASK IF WE'VE RECEIVED COMMENTS AHEAD OF TIME FROM OUR CLERK.
WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY, NO EMAILS ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
AND FROM OUR MODERATOR, WILL YOU, UH, PUT UP THE MESSAGING PLEASE? THANK YOU.
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ATTENDING IN PERSON SHOULD BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE SO.
SPEAKERS ARE REMINDED TO BE RESPECTFUL IN THEIR COMMENTS.
AND THIS MEETING IS BEING TRANSLATED.
PLEASE PAUSE BETWEEN SENTENCES FOR TRANSLATION.
THE TIMER BEHIND THE DIOCESE WILL BE RESET FOR EACH SPEAKER.
AND LOOKING AROUND THE ROOM, I DON'T SEE ANYBODY, UH, FILLING OUT CARDS AND RUNNING TO THE FRONT.
AND WE HAVE ONE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS, AND IT'S FROM TARYN.
UH, THIS IS YOUR THREE MINUTES.
I HAVE A, UM, TWO QUESTIONS PLEASE.
UM, NUMBER ONE IS, UM, BACK WHEN I FIRST HEARD ABOUT THESE FIELDS, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE, THE BASEBALL, UM, DIAMOND FIELD THAT JUST WENT IN WAS GOING TO BE FINANCED BY, UM, PRIVATELY.
AND I THEN I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING MORE ABOUT THAT THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, SO I WAS JUST WONDERING, ARE TAXPAYERS PAYING FOR IT? UM, WHAT DID THE FINANCE ULTIMATELY COME TO BE, PLEASE? I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT.
UM, I WENT UP THERE AND WALKED IT.
OF COURSE, THERE ARE WEEDS IN THE ARTIFICIAL TURF, BUT WE ALL KNOW THAT'S HOW THAT GOES.
UM, WHICH BRINGS ME TO MY NEXT QUESTION.
CAN YOU PLEASE DISCUSS WHEN, WHAT, HOW YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT ULTIMATELY MOVING AWAY FROM PLASTIC? UM, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE WASTE MANAGEMENT TASK FORCE UP ON THE COUNTY LEVEL, AND IT'S JUST A HUGE VOLUME
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OF RE NON-RECYCLABLE PLASTIC THAT THERE'S ANOTHER OPTION FOR.AND THE RISKS ASSOCIATED WITH PLASTIC AND FOREVER CHEMICALS IN PARTICULAR THERE, WHERE IT'S REALLY AN INTEGRAL PART OF OUR WATERSHED, JUST TO ME, DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A GOOD IDEA.
IN FACT, IT SEEMS LIKE A NO BRAINER TO NOT DO IT.
I GET THAT WE APPROVED THESE FIELDS LIKE 13 YEARS AGO.
IT WAS A DIFFERENT WORLD BACK THEN.
BUT IF YOU COULD PLEASE SHARE YOUR PLANS FOR, YOU KNOW, EIGHT YEARS FROM NOW WHEN IT'S GONNA COST, YOU KNOW, A WHOLE BUNCH MORE MONEY TO REPLACE IT AGAIN, WHO'S GONNA BE PAYING FOR THAT? AND THEN WHAT'S OUR CONSIDERATION? TRADE-OFF ANALYSIS GONNA LOOK LIKE AT THAT TIME BETWEEN ARTIFICIAL TURF AND ITS DANGER TO THE ENVIRONMENT.
ITS DANGER TO OUR CHILDREN WHOSE BODIES ARE JUST DEVELOPING THEIR ENDOCRINE SYSTEMS, THEIR ABILITY TO HAVE CHILDREN IN THE FUTURE.
UM, ASTHMA CANCER RATES ARE OFF THE CHARTS.
UM, AND THEN OUR WATER QUALITY, THE WATER WELLS ARE GETTING SHUT DOWN BY THE, UM, FARM BUREAU AND IT'S THE AG COMMUNITY.
SO I'M INTERESTED IN IT FROM AN ECONOMIC STANDPOINT AS WELL.
AND, UM, I RESPECTFULLY ASK THOSE QUESTIONS.
THAT WAS OUR LAST SPEAKER CARD, AND SO THAT CLOSES PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, I WILL TAKE A A LITTLE MINUTE TO ANSWER THAT BECAUSE SOME OF THAT'S, UM, UH, HAS STRAIGHTFORWARD ANSWERS.
UM, THE PROJECT COSTS ARE LISTED IN THE, UM, ITEM THAT IS BEING VOTED ON TONIGHT AND, UH, AVAILABLE ONLINE SO THAT ALL THE COSTS ARE AVAILABLE.
AND THEN TWO, UM, THE CITY IS, UM, UM, TABLED A PRIOR ITEM DISCUSSING OTHER, UM, ARTIFICIAL TURF.
AND I EXPECT THAT IT'LL COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND KEEP OUR EYES OPEN FOR WHEN STAFF HAS A, A RE A RESPONSE AVAILABLE.
UM, THE NEXT ITEM, UH, WOULD BE TO BRING IT BACK TO COUNSEL FOR ANY LAST COMMENTS OR A MOTION.
SECOND, UH, MOTION BY BARNACLE.
MAY WE HAVE A ROLL CALL? VOTE BARNACLE.
[PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION]
AND, UH, THAT MOVES US TO OUR NEXT ITEM, AN INTRODUCTION AND FIRST READING, UH, OF ORDINANCES TO CHANGE CERTAIN APPROPRIATIONS FOR THE OPERATION OF THE CITY OF PETALUMA FROM JULY 1ST, 2023 TO JULY JUNE 30, 20, 24.A RESOLUTION, UM, UPDATING THE AUTHORIZED FUNDING PERMANENT POSITION SCHEDULE IN THE MIDYEAR, UM, FISCAL YEAR 2023 GENERAL FUND UPDATE, AND FINDING THAT THIS ACTION IS NOT A PROJECT PURSUANT TO CQA, UM, GUIDELINES.
AND, UH, HELP US THROUGH THIS ITEM.
I'D LIKE TO INVITE OUR, UH, NEWISH, UH, FINANCE DIRECTOR, JESSE G***H.
THANK YOU MAYOR MCDONALD AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
I'M THE FINANCE DIRECTOR FOR THE CITY.
THE CITY REVIEWS ITS BUDGET ON A CONTINUAL BASIS.
THREE BUDGET ADJUSTMENT REPORTS ARE TYPICALLY PRESENTED ANNUALLY.
ONE FOR FIRST QUARTER, ONE AT MIDYEAR, AND THE FINAL AT FISCAL YEAR END.
THE PROPOSED MIDYEAR BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING ARE FOR THE ADOPTED BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 20 23 24.
THE MAJORITY OF THE BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS PRESENTED ARE RESULTING FROM APPROVED COUNCIL ACTION IN THE SECOND QUARTER OF THE FISCAL YEAR.
THAT'S OCTOBER 1ST THROUGH DECEMBER 31ST, ALONG WITH SOME CIP PROJECT ADJUSTMENTS TO BETTER ALIGN OUR FISCAL 24 PROJECT BUDGETS TO ACTUAL ESTIMATED EXPENDITURES AHEAD OF THE FISCAL 25 PROJECT.
UM, UPCOMING BUDGET CYCLE, A DETAILED LIST OF ALL BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS IS INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT AND ADJUSTMENTS TO NON-GENERAL FUNDS ARE PRIMARILY DUE TO CAPITAL PROJECT CHANGES AND UPDATES.
ALSO INCLUDED FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES IS A GENERAL FUND UPDATE, WHICH PROVIDES A RECAP OF THE REVISED BUDGET AND AN UPDATED FORECAST.
AS OF ME, UH, MIDYEAR, WE WILL BE BACK TO COUNCIL WITH ANOTHER UPDATED FORECAST NEXT MONTH AS PART OF THE FISCAL 25 BUDGET WORKSHOP.
SO IT IS RECOMMENDED THEN THAT THIS EVENING, THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPT THE ATTACHED ORDINANCES TO AMEND APPROPRIATIONS FOR THE FISCAL YEAR ENDING JUNE 30TH, 2024 BUDGET.
AND IT IS ALSO RECOMMENDED THAT THE COUNCIL ADOPT THE RESOLUTION, UPDATING THE AUTHORIZED AND FUNDED POSITION SCHEDULE.
AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU VERY FOR, FOR THE VERY CONCISE REPORT.
I APPRECIATE THAT
UM, AND, UH, WE HAVE NO QUESTIONS AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL.
SO, UM, THAT WOULD LEAVE IT TO ME, TO ME TO ASK, UH, THE HARD QUESTIONS.
AND, UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT, UM, THESE ARE MOSTLY COUNCIL APPROVED ADJUSTMENTS AND, AND, UM, THE, THE LINE ITEM QUANTITY IS CERTAINLY THAT, BUT,
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UM, IN THERE THERE'S ALSO TWO LINE ITEMS OF CAPITAL REDUCTION, A $9.9 MILLION, UM, REDUCTION IN CAPITAL BUDGET, AND A $15 MILLION REDUCTION, WHICH WILL BRING US AROUND TO, UM, A MUCH SMALLER, THAT'S, THAT'S 90, I MEAN, THE GENERAL FUND IS ONLY OFF BY 180,000 AND THE OTHER, WE'RE TALKING A $25 MILLION DIFFERENCE IN OUR CAPITAL BUDGET LESS.AND SO, UM, THAT, UM, THAT THAT'S NOT A SMALL NUMBER AND THAT'S A THING THAT SHOULD GET, SHOULD GET, UH, BANNER HEADLINE.
UH, AND, UH, AND THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE THE MIDYEAR ADJUSTMENTS.
THAT'S, THAT'S BEST DATA WE CAN SEE AT, AT THIS TIME FOR WHERE WE'RE GONNA END UP WITH PROJECTS.
SO THIS IS ALL BASED ON INPUT FROM STAFF OF PUBLIC WORKS AND UTILITIES.
UM, THEY'VE BASED THIS ON THEIR CURRENT ESTIMATES OF HOW MUCH WORK THEY CAN ACCOMPLISH IN THE REMAINING FISCAL YEAR.
SO NONE OF THESE ARE ACTUAL PROJECT REDUCTIONS.
WE HAVEN'T TAKEN ANYTHING OFF OF THE CIP LIST.
WE'RE NOT TAKING PROJECTS AND REDUCING THEM OVERALL.
THIS IS REALLY REFLECTING THE SHIFTING OF THE WORK FROM THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR INTO THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
AND SO WE'LL SEE THESE BUDGETS RETURN FOR THE PROJECTS THAT WE CONTINUE WORKING ON IN FISCAL 25 WHEN WE RETURN WITH THAT BUDGET.
YEAH, I, I THINK THE DIFFICULTY IS BY ADDING THIS INTO 2025, THAT'S, UM, UH, RESOURCES TO STAFF THAT CAN'T BE WORKING ON 2025 PROJECTS.
AND THAT'S THE THING THAT SCARES ME, IS WE KEEP ACCUMULATING FUNNY, BUT I SUPPOSE THAT'S MORE OF A, OUR BUDGET CONVERSATION HERE IN A COUPLE WEEKS OR OUR CAPITAL WORKSHOP IN A COUPLE WEEKS WHEN WE TRY AND FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH WE CAN GET DONE.
AND I, I DO WANNA SAY WE DON'T DO THE FI THE MIDYEAR ADJUSTMENTS, UM, IN A VACUUM AS COMPARED TO THE FISCAL 25 BUDGET PLANNING.
SO THIS WAS ALL PART OF ONE PROCESS WHERE WE TOOK A LOOK GLOBALLY AT OUR PROJECTS, WHAT WE CAN ACCOMPLISH NOW AND WHAT WE CAN ACCOMPLISH IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
AND APP, AND APPRECIATE HAVING THIS DATA, I MEAN, SIGNIFICANT CHANGE NOTED TO THE COUNCIL EARLY.
UM, COUNCIL VICE, MAYOR SCHIBS, UM, HEY, JUST FOR, UM, HELPING THE PUBLIC UNDERSTAND, UH, WHAT YOU'VE JUST SAID
UH, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT OVERALL RIGHT NOW, HOW ARE WE DOING FINANCIALLY, UH, ARE WE DOING REALLY WELL AND AND CONTINUING TO DO WELL? AND FROM YOUR POINT OF VIEW THAT SINCE YOU'RE THE NEW GUY YEAH, IT'S TERRIBLE.
NO, EVERYTHING'S LOOKING REALLY WELL.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, UPDATED FIVE-YEAR FORECAST THAT WE JUST FINISHED, WE ARE SHOWING A BALANCED BUDGET THROUGHOUT THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
ONE THING I DO WANNA FLAG THOUGH IS THAT WE'RE CONSISTENTLY NOTING THAT OUR REVENUES ARE GROWING FAST, UM, A LITTLE SLOWER THAN OUR EXPENDITURES.
SO WE'VE GOT REVENUES GROWING ON AVERAGE OF AROUND 3% PER YEAR IN THE FORECAST.
AND THEN OUR EXPENDITURES ARE LOOKING TO GROW AT AROUND 4%.
SO EVERY YEAR THAT DEFICIT CAN GROW A LITTLE BIT.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE USING OUR MEASURE U FUNDS AND OUR TOT FUNDS TO FILL IN THAT GAP.
AND SO WE JUST NEED TO BE AWARE AS WE MOVE FORWARD THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THOSE REVENUES ARE STAYING HIGH AND DOING WHAT WE CAN TO BOLSTER OUR OPERATING REVENUES SO THAT WE CAN REALLY STAY IN A BALANCED POSITION.
AND THE, THE TREND THAT, UH, UH, I'D LIKE TO ASK IF YOU SEE IS CONSISTENT AS, UM, PRIOR TO YOUR, UM, TENURE MM-HMM,
THE RESERVE FUNDS MAY BE TOO MUCH, BUT RATHER THAN REDUCE THEM EVERY YEAR, THEY INCREASE.
AND, UH, HAVE YOU HAD THE NUMBERS TOGETHER ENOUGH TO KNOW WHETHER THE RESERVE WILL AGAIN, RISE THIS YEAR? DO YOU HAVE A MAGNITUDE ON HOW MUCH THE RESERVE WILL RISE THIS YEAR? UM, IN TERMS OF THE GENERAL FUND, UM, RIGHT NOW WE'RE KIND OF PROJECTING THAT THINGS STAY FAIRLY BALANCED.
WE'RE NOT EXPECTING TO HAVE A LARGE OVERAGE OF, OF MONEY AT THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR.
UM, SO YEAH, AND THEN I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO TAKE A REALLY CLOSE LOOK AT THE OTHER FUNDS.
IF YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THE CAPITAL FUNDS, EVERYTHING IN THERE IS ALREADY PROGRAMMED.
SO EVEN IF WE DON'T SPEND ALL THE MONEY THIS YEAR, WE'LL JUST BE SPENDING IT NEXT YEAR, THE YEAR AFTER THAT INSTEAD, AS THESE PROJECTS ARE CONTINUED TO BE WORKED ON.
AND AGAIN, THE CONCERN FOR ME IS, IS THAT, UM, THE MONEY WE SPEND NEXT YEAR DOESN'T GET US AS MUCH AS IF WE HAD GONE INTO THIS YEAR.
MM-HMM,
SO, UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WE, WE SHOWED A BEGINNING BALANCE OF 162 MILLION IN ALL FUNDS, THOUGHT WE WOULD DROP IT TO 113 AND IN FACT WE WENT TO 177 A LITTLE.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, WE HAVE SOME WORK TO GET RIGHT SIZED.
WELL, BUT, UM, THAT'S PROBABLY GETTING INTO THE BUDGET WORKSHOP
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LET THAT JUST SAVE ALL THOSE FUN QUESTIONS FOR A FEW WEEKS.SAVE A FUN QUESTION FOR A LONG, REALLY LONG MEETING.
UM, AND WITH THAT THEN, UM, I'D LIKE TO OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT AND, UM, DO WE HAVE ANY CARDS OR LETTERS FAN EMAIL IN ON THIS SUBJECT? NO.
WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS.
AND, UH, WE PLEASE WILL OUR MODERATOR PLEASE READ OUR MESSAGING ON THIS.
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ATTENDING IN PERSON SHOULD BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE SO.
SPEAKERS ARE REMINDED TO BE RESPECTFUL IN THEIR COMMENTS THAT THIS MEME IS BEING TRANSLATED.
PLEASE PAUSE BETWEEN SENTENCES FOR TRANSLATION.
THE TIMER BEHIND THE DICE WILL BE RESET FOR EACH SPEAKER, AND I'M NOT SEEING AN ACTIVITY ON THE PUBLIC.
UH, I DO HAVE ONE CARD COMING IN AND THE TIMER IS RUNNING DOWN.
PERHAPS YOU CAN JUST COME FORWARD HERE AND FILL THE CARD AFTER.
PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK GENERAL.
THIS IS ON OUR FINANCE MATTERS.
OKAY, SO CLOSING PUBLIC COMMENT AND MOVING BACK TO COUNCIL FOR A MOTION.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM SECOND AND A SECOND FROM BARNACLE.
AND MAY WE HAVE A ROLL CALL? VOTE BARNACLE.
LET'S MOVE TO OUR NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS, UM, TO RECEIVE AND REVIEW THE 2023 INDEPENDENT POLICE AUDITOR ANNUAL REPORT COVERING THE PERIOD FROM APRIL 19TH, 2023 TO DECEMBER 31ST, 2023, AND THE 2024 INDEPENDENT POLICE AUDITOR WORK PLAN.
AND WE HAVE, UH, QUITE A TEAM COMING FORWARD.
UM, I'D LIKE TO INVITE AARON ZAVALA, OUR SENIOR MANAGEMENT ANALYST TO, UH, RUN THE ORCHESTRA TODAY.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, CITY MANAGER, COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND STAFF.
MY NAME IS AARON ZAVALA AND I'M THE SENIOR MANAGEMENT ANALYST IN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, SERVING AS A PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE INDEPENDENT POLICE AUDITOR.
I'M THRILLED TO INTRODUCE THE ITEM BEFORE YOU TODAY ON THE TRANSMITTAL OF THE INAUGURAL INDEPENDENT POLICE AUDITOR REPORT.
I DO WANT MAKE OR TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK AND ACKNOWLEDGE THE FORMER AD HOC COMMUNITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEMBERS THAT ARE HERE TONIGHT, UM, IN PERSON AND THOSE LISTENING IN FOR TONIGHT.
I'M GOING TO GO OVER, UM, SOME BRIEF BACKGROUND AND CONTEXT ON HOW WE GOT HERE, UM, BEFORE TURNING IT OVER TO OUR INDEPENDENT POLICE AUDITOR TEAM FOR THEIR PRESENTATION AND CONCLUDING WITH QUESTIONS AND FEEDBACK.
OUR JOURNEY BEGAN IN 2020, AMIDS, A NATIONAL RECKONING ON RACE RELATIONS AND POLICE CONDUCT.
THE TRAGIC MURDER OF GEORGE FLOYD MARKED A PIVOTAL MOMENT, CATALYZING A WAVE OF CIVIL UNREST, A DEEPENED COMMITMENT TO JUSTICE AND EQUITY IN OUR COMMUNITY.
IN RESPONSE, THE CITY OF PETALUMA INITIATED A DIALOGUE THROUGH A VIRTUAL TOWN HALL MEETING FOCUSED ON POLICING, WHICH LED TO A SERIES OF LISTENING SESSIONS HELD THROUGHOUT 2020.
THESE PLATFORMS PROVIDED A SPACE FOR VOICES TO BE HEARD AND FOR CONSTRUCTIVE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT BUILDING.
UPON THE LISTING SESSIONS IN 2021, THE CITY ESTABLISHED THE AD HOC COMMUNITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE COMPRISED OF REPRESENTATIVES FROM VARIOUS GROUPS, INCLUDING MANY REPRESENTING OUR BLACK, INDIGENOUS, AND PEOPLE OF COLOR COMMUNITIES TO DISCUSS RACE RELATIONS, IDENTIFY OPPORTUNITIES FOR MEANINGFUL CHANGE IN OUR CITY.
THROUGH SIX PURPOSEFUL MEETINGS, THE COMMITTEE PROVIDED 31 THOUGHTFUL RECOMMENDATIONS, INCLUDING THE IMPLEMENTATION OF A HYBRID POLICE OVERSIGHT MODEL AND CITYWIDE DIVERSITY, EQUITY, AND INCLUSION EFFORTS.
RECOGNIZING THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THESE CONVERSATIONS, THE CITY COUNCIL IN MAY, 2020 PRIORITIZED THE HYBRID POLICE OVERSIGHT MODEL AND CITYWIDE DIVERSITY EQUITY INCLUSION EFFORTS.
AS A TOP 10 GOAL STAFF DEVELOPED A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL THAT WAS REVIEWED BY THE CITY COUNCIL IN THE FALL AND FINALIZED IN WINTER IN 2023.
UM, AFTER, UM, A THOROUGH VETTING PROCESS THAT INCLUDING INPUTS FROM COMMUNITY PANELS AND INTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS.
UM, WE SELECTED OUR FIRST INDEPENDENT POLICE AUDITOR, INTEGRA ASSURE INCORPORATED.
UM, AND IN APRIL, UM, THEY BEGAN AND FROM THE INCEPTION OF THEIR ROLE, UM, TO THE, UM, TO PRESENT INTEGRA ASSURE HAS BEEN, UM, INCONSISTENT COMMUNICATION WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, CITY
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ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HOLDING WEEKLY MEETINGS TO ENSURE THAT THE VALUES OF ACCOUNTABILITY AND CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT ARE WOVEN INTO THE FABRIC OF OUR PUBLIC SAFETY STRATEGY.DANIEL REPORT, WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS TODAY, UM, COVERS THE PERIOD FROM APRIL 1ST, 2023 TO DECEMBER 31ST, 2023.
UM, IT'S A REFLECTION OF OUR SHARED COMMITMENT TO PETALUMA.
UM, AND WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE, UM, JEFF SCHLANGER, UM, WHO WILL GIVE THE REST OF THE REPORT.
UM, AND JEFF IS OUR INDEPENDENT POLICE AUTHOR.
UM, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE THIS EVENING, AND, UH, I THINK THE BEST WAY TO VIEW THE PRESENTATION THAT I AM ABOUT TO MAKE IS AS AN EXECUTIVE SUMMARY OF THE 49 PAGE, UH, REPORT THAT WE DELIVERED, UM, JUST THE OTHER DAY.
UM, AS AARON MENTIONED, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
UH, WE WOULD, WE WERE SELECTED ON, UH, APRIL 18TH, 2023.
UM, I, JEFF SCHLANGER, UH, AM THE INDEPENDENT POLICE AUDITOR.
THERE ARE TWO MEMBERS OF THE TEAM HERE WITH ME TODAY, DENISE LEWIS AND CHRIS WATERS.
UM, AND, UH, WE ARE DIRECTED BY THE, UH, CONTRACT AND THE CITY MANAGER, UH, AND THE SCOPE OF WORK PURSUANT TO OUR CONTRACT TO PERFORM CERTAIN DUTIES.
UM, WITH RESPECT TO OUR AUDITOR, WE HAVE A PHILOSOPHY.
OUR PHILOSOPHY IS TO BRING ABOUT CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THROUGH COLLABORATIVE OVERSIGHT.
RATHER, WHAT ARE THE GOALS OF THE INDEPENDENT POLICE AUTHORSHIP? UM, WHAT WE WANT TO DO, AS I MENTIONED, IS INSTILL A PHILOSOPHY OF CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT IN PPD, UH, THROUGH A MODEL OF COLLABORATIVE OVERSIGHT.
WE WANT TO FACILITATE TRUST, UH, BETWEEN ALL THE COMMUNITIES WITHIN PETALUMA AND THEIR POLICE DEPARTMENT.
WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT POLICE OPERATIONS REFLECT COMMUNITY VALUES, AND WE WANT TO PROVIDE ASSURANCE TO THE COMMUNITY AND CITY LEADERS THAT THEIR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS OPERATING PURSUANT TO BEST PRACTICES.
WHAT DO WE DO? WELL, THE FIRST THING WE DO IS REVIEW, UH, PPD POLICIES AND TRAINING TO ENSURE THAT THEY COMPORT WITH BEST PRACTICE.
THE NEXT THING WE DO IS REVIEW CRITICAL ASPECTS OF PPDS OPERATIONS TO ENSURE THAT THEY ARE CONDUCTED PROMPTLY, IMPARTIALLY, AND FAIRLY, AND REPRESENT THE APPLICATION OF BEST PRACTICES.
REALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S OPERATIONAL INTEGRITY OF THE POLICIES AND TRAINING, UH, WHICH WE HAVE LOOKED AT.
WE ASSIST IN THE CREATION OR WILL ASSIST IN THE CREATION OF THE P SAG.
UM, AND WE REPORT, UH, SEMI-ANNUALLY TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND COMMUNITY ON THIS WORK.
THE REVIEW OF POLICIES AND TRAINING.
UM, WE REVIEW POLICIES AND TRAINING IN THE CONTEXT OF ISSUES THAT ARE IDENTIFIED THROUGH OUR OPERATIONAL REVIEW PROCESS FOR CONFORMITY WITH BEST PRACTICE, WE SYSTEMATICALLY REVIEW POLICIES THAT HAVE NOT BEEN DIRECTLY IMPLICATED IN OUR OPERATIONAL REVIEW, UH, PROCESS, AND WE DISCUSS RECOMMENDATIONS FOR IMPROVEMENT WITH PPD COMMAND STAFF, AND COLLABORATIVELY DECIDE ON APPROPRIATE MODIFICATIONS TO POLICY AND TRAINING.
THE POLICIES THAT WE HAVE REVIEWED IN THE FIRST EIGHT MONTHS OF OPERATION INCLUDE THE BODY-WORN CAMERA, POLICY, HANDCUFFING PURSUITS, PROFANITY, INTERNAL INVESTIGATIONS, AND DISCIPLINARY PROCEDURES, AND BIAS BASED POLICING.
UH, COMING UP IN 2024, WE WILL BE, UH, PERFORMING AN AUDIT OF THE TRAINING PLAN.
PLEASE WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OPERATIONAL REVIEWS AND ASSESSMENTS AND HOW WE DO THAT WORK.
UM, WE, WE LOOK AT A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT, UH, ITEMS. WE LOOK AT USES OF FORCE.
WE LOOK AT PURSUITS, AND WE LOOK AT COMPLAINTS, BUT WE DON'T LOOK AT ANY ONE OF
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THOSE IN, UH, A SILO.SO TAKE FOR INSTANCE, A USE OF FORCE, UM, HERE TO FOUR.
MANY, UH, PEOPLE EXAMINING USES OF FORCE HAVE LOOKED SIMPLY AT THE MOMENT BEFORE THE USE OF FORCE MADE A DECISION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE USE OF FORCE WAS APPROPRIATE AT THAT TIME.
WE EMPLOY A 360 DEGREE VIEW OF INCIDENTS.
WE REVIEW AN INCIDENT FROM ITS INCEPTION TO ITS CONCLUSION ACROSS A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT, UH, AREAS WHICH INCLUDE COMPLIANCE WITH BODY-WORN CAMERA POLICY, HOW THE INCIDENT ITSELF AROSE, WHETHER IT WAS SELF-INITIATED, UH, DISPATCHED, OR A DIRECT CITIZEN COMPLAINT.
PRE-INCIDENT PLANNING AND DECISION MAKING, THE LEGAL PREDICATE FOR THE INITIAL CONTACT WITH THE SUBJECT, COMMUNICATION WITH THE SUBJECT DEESCALATION OF THE SITUATION, THE EVALUATION OF THE DEADLY FORCE, OR, UH, I'M SORRY, DISPLAY OF FORCE, UH, OR USE OF FORCE, INCLUDING A DUTY TO INTERVENE MEDICAL RESPONSE AND RELIEF PROTOCOL.
UH, WE EVALUATE ANY PURSUIT, EVALUATE ANY COMPLAINT, EVALUATE FOURTH AMENDMENT ISSUES THAT MAY ARISE IN THE SITUATION.
WE EVALUATE ANY FIRST AMENDMENT ISSUES, WHICH MAY BE IM IMPLICATED.
WE LOOK AT THE PROFESSIONALISM OF THE OFFICERS, UH, DURING THE ENCOUNTER.
WE NOTE WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE ANY DEFICIENCIES WITH RESPECT TO TACTICS.
THEN WE LOOK TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE IMPLICATIONS RELATIVE TO THE POLICIES, UH, WHICH HAVE BEEN, UM, IMPLICATED IN A SITUATION.
WE LOOK AT EQUIPMENT, DOCUMENTATION OF OFFICERS, THE SUPERVISORY REVIEW OF AN INCIDENT, AND, AND THIS IS, UH, IMPORTANT, ANY EXCEPTIONAL CONDUCT BY OFFICERS THEMSELVES.
THAT IS THE 360 DEGREE REVIEW THAT, UH, WE UTILIZE FOR EVERY INCIDENT, UH, THAT WE LOOK AT.
WE HOLD WEEKLY MEETINGS WITH PPD COMMAND STAFF.
WE DISCUSS THE INCIDENTS AND OUR FINDINGS.
ALL OF OUR FINDINGS ARE DOCUMENTED AND, UH, UH, PROVIDED TO PPD, WE TALK ABOUT RECOMMENDATIONS THAT GROW OUT OF THE PARTICULAR INCIDENT.
WE TRACK THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR IMPLEMENTATION.
AGAIN, I MENTIONED THAT WE DO OPERATIONAL, UH, REVIEWS AND ASSESSMENTS IN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT AREAS.
COMPLAINTS AND MCOS, UH, IS ONE AREA.
UH, IN THIS PERIOD THAT WAS COVERED BY THE REPORT, WE DID 26 SUCH EVALUATIONS, UH, WITH TWO RECOMMENDATIONS FLOWING OUT OF THAT, UH, USES OF FORCE.
WE EVALUATED 67 SUCH INCIDENTS, AND WHEN I SAY USES OF FORCE, IT INCLUDES DISPLAYS OF FORCE AS WELL.
UH, WE MADE A TOTAL OF 61 RECOMMENDATIONS.
16 PURSUITS WERE EVALUATED WITH 12 RECOMMENDATIONS, AND FORTUNATELY, THERE WERE NO CRITICAL INCIDENTS, WHICH WE REVIEWED.
IN TERMS OF THE COMPLAINTS, AS I INDICATED, THERE WERE TWO INTERNAL AFFAIRS COMPLAINTS AND 24 OTTS.
OTTS ARE THE LESS SERIOUS, UH, TYPE OF COMPLAINTS, UH, WHICH ARE HANDLED REALLY AT A COMMAND LEVEL RATHER THAN IN THE INTENSIVE INVESTIGATION THAT, UH, AN INTERNAL AND AFFAIRS INVESTIGATION ENTAILS.
WE AGREED WITH THE INVESTIGATIVE FINDINGS IN EACH OF THOSE, UH, AND WE ISSUED TWO RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW PPD CAN IMPROVE ITS INVESTIGATIVE PROCESS, UM, INTO BOTH COMMUNITY AND INTERNALLY GENERATED COMPLAINTS.
THERE WERE 68 USES OR DISPLAYS OF FORCE, WHICH WERE REVIEWED, NO DISAGREEMENTS WITH RESPECT FOR ANY, UH, RECOMMENDED RE REMEDIATIONS.
AND WHAT WE DID WAS RECOMMEND ON HOW THE INCIDENTS COULD HAVE BEEN HANDLED BETTER, OR MORE SPECIFICALLY, WHETHER IN ANY GIVEN INCIDENT, A DIFFERENT APPROACH BY OFFICERS COULD HAVE POTENTIALLY YIELDED BETTER RESULTS.
THAT LAST QUESTION THAT WE ASK, AND WE ASK IT IN EVERY INCIDENT, IS THE QUESTION, WHICH PUTS US ON THE PATH AND INSTILLS THE PHILOSOPHY
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OF CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT.WHAT COULD WE HAVE DONE BETTER IN THIS SITUATION TO HAVE ACHIEVED A BETTER OUTCOME? NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
WE LOOKED AT A TOTAL OF 16 PURSUITS, UM, AND THEIR INVESTIGATIONS.
THERE WERE NO DISAGREEMENTS, UH, WITH RESPECT FOR ANY OF THE RECOMMENDED REMEDIATIONS.
UM, I WANT TO NOTE THAT, UH, THE DEPARTMENT HAD TAKEN IT UPON ITSELF WITHOUT ANY RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE IP, UH, A TO REVIEW AND REVISE THEIR OWN PROCEDURE.
UH, WITH RESPECT TO PURSUITS, THAT NEW PURSUIT POLICY IS NOW IN CONCERT WITH BEST PRACTICES ACROSS THE, UH, THE NATION.
UM, AND WE SEE IT WORKING IN THE FIELD, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY.
JUST IN TERMS OF THE CREATION OF THE P SAG, WE'RE WORKING WITH THE DEPARTMENT AND THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, UH, TO GET THIS GOING.
EVENTUALLY, WE WILL BE DEVELOPING TRAINING AND A CURRICULUM, UH, FOR THAT TRAINING.
UH, FOR THE MEMBERS OF THE, UH, P SAG, WE WILL ADVISE, UH, OF FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS MADE TO, UH, PPD.
WE WILL ATTEND MEETINGS AND WE WILL COLLABORATE ON AN ANNUAL WORK PLAN.
REPORTING TO THE COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY.
OBVIOUSLY THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE AND NOW, THIS IS OUR FIRST REPORT, AND, UH, WE WILL CONTINUE DOING THIS ON AT LEAST AN ANNUALLY, AN ANNUAL BASIS, UM, AND SEMI-ANNUAL LEE.
IF, UH, YOU ALSO DECIDE IN TERMS OF OUR 2024 WORK PLAN, WE WILL CONTINUE, UH, WITH OUR CURRENT PROTOCOLS.
UH, IN ADDITION, WE WILL BE CONDUCTING AN ANALYSIS OF, UH, THE RIPA, UH, DATA, WHICH IS COLLECTED FOR STOPS BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
WE WILL BE PRESENTING THE NUMBERS AND DIFFERENT FORMATS AND, UH, THE DISPARITIES IN THOSE NUMBERS, UM, WILL BECOME EVIDENT.
UM, DISPARITIES, I MUST SAY, JUST SO THAT EVERYBODY IS CLEAR, DISPARITIES DO NOT, UH, IN ANY WAY INDICATE BIAS.
UM, THERE ARE LOTS OF REASONS THAT DISPARITIES MAY EXIST, AND WE CAN GET INTO ALL OF THAT AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME.
UM, WE WILL ALSO BE CONDUCTING WHAT WE CALL A DATA, UH, AUDIT DATA STANDS FOR, UH, DETAILED ANALYSIS OF TOUR ACTIVITY WHERE WE TAKE A DISCREET PERIOD OF TIME, UH, IN THE DEPARTMENT'S LIFE AND LOOK AT THAT IN A DEEP DIVE, UH, WAY, UH, LINING UP CAD CALLS AND EVERY ASPECT OF POLICING TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE AND TO REALLY CATCH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE DON'T CATCH IN THE REVIEWS THAT I'VE PREVIOUSLY DESCRIBED.
OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S A LOT OF ACTIVITY THAT FALLS INTO THAT CATEGORY, AND WHEN I SAY A DISCREET PERIOD OF TIME, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A MATTER OF DAYS, NOT WEEKS OR MONTHS.
UM, BUT WE LOOK AT FOUR DAYS OR FIVE DAYS OF, UM, POLICE ACTIVITY.
UH, AGAIN, WITH RESPECT TO THE, UH, REPA DATA ANALYSIS, AS EVERYONE I THINK KNOWS, UH, THE DATA IS COLLECTED BY PPD FOR EVERY STOP POST-OP A ACTION AND DISPOSITION OF THAT STOP.
UH, WE WILL REPORT ON THE NUMERICAL DISPARITIES THAT MIGHT EXIST AMONG CERTAIN DEMOGRAPHIC GROUPS FOR THOSE DIFFERENT ACTIONS.
AND WE WILL DISCUSS FINDINGS, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THAT ANALYSIS.
AND THEN ON THE DATA AUDIT, I EXPLAINED, UH, ESSENTIALLY WHAT, UH, WE'LL BE DOING THERE.
THAT'S THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO IN SOME, UH, THE FIRST EIGHT AND A HALF MONTHS OF OUR OPERATION, UH, HAS BEEN MET WITH COLLABORATION AND A DESIRE ON THE PART OF THE CITY AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, TO INSTILL THIS PHILOSOPHY OF CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT IN THE DEPARTMENT.
AND THAT IS COMMENDABLE AND IT'S COMMENDABLE THAT THIS ENTIRE PROCESS CAME ABOUT WITHOUT THE PRECIPITATING EVENT THAT SO
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MANY OTHER JURISDICTIONS, UH, HAVE HAD TO, TO ENDURE BEFORE MOVING TO AN OVERSIGHT MODEL.I COMMEND YOU, MR. MAYOR, AND THE, THE COUNCIL FOR, UH, FOR ENDORSING THAT AND BRINGING THAT ABOUT IN, IN THE CITY.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT, UH, IF WE CONTINUE ON THIS PATH, REALLY THIS DEPARTMENT AND THIS MODEL OF WHAT I CALL COLLABORATIVE OVERSIGHT, UH, WILL BE A MODEL FOR THE THE NATION.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, UH, APPRECIATE THE REPORT AND, UH, AND VERY MUCH APPRECIATE HAVING, UH, THE PROGRAM UP AND ACTIVE.
NOW, UH, COUNCIL'S, UH, QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL.
I THINK, UH, A LOT OF GOOD STUFF IS HAPPENING.
UM, I, I GUESS MY FIRST QUESTION, AND I GOT A COUPLE, UM, IS, UM, THE COMMENT IS OFTEN MADE THAT YOU MADE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT COMPLETELY AGREED.
AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN I READ THAT IN THE SAME REPORT, EVEN A 40 PAGE REPORT A DOZEN TIMES OR SOMETHING, I START TO WORRY THAT THERE, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE HASN'T BEEN A LITTLE DISAGREEMENT SOMEWHERE.
AND I'M WONDERING IF E EITHER OF YOU IS ABLE TO TALK ABOUT JUST, UH, PERHAPS THE CLOSEST THING TO A DISAGREEMENT THAT THAT WAS HAD I, I DID FIND ONE AREA, UM, WHERE IT MENTIONED THAT, UM, I THINK THE IPA SAID THERE'S A LEGITIMATE DEBATE ABOUT WHETHER, UH, BODY, UH, WORN CAMERA ACTIVATION SHOULD BE MANDATORY.
SO THAT, THAT GIVES ME SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
SOMETHING THAT IS A LITTLE BIT FUZZY.
I'M WONDERING ANYTHING ELSE? I I THINK WHAT WAS MENTIONED IN THE REPORT WAS THERE WAS A DEBATE, UM, OUTSIDE OF THIS VENUE, THERE WAS NO DEBATE.
THERE SHOULD BE MANDATORY ACTIVATION, AND THAT CERTAINLY WASN'T AN AREA OF ANY, ANY DISAGREEMENT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW, BRIAN, UH, THE BIGGEST AREA OF DISAGREEMENT.
UH, YEAH, I, I WOULDN'T SAY THAT THERE'S BEEN ANY POINT OF DISAGREEMENT.
I THINK THAT WE'VE HAD PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATIONS.
I THINK THAT WE ARE LEARNING EACH OTHER'S STYLES AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK MANY OF OUR STAFF, AS JEN MENTIONED, UH, JEFF MENTIONED, THERE'S, THERE'S A NUMBER OF WAYS YOU CAN, YOU CAN RESPOND TO CALLS FOR SERVICE AND A NUMBER OF WAYS YOU CAN APPLY THE LAW, AND THERE'S WAYS TO DO IT BETTER.
UM, I THINK WE SAW FROM WAYS WE WERE COMMUNICATING TO STAFF, UM, THE WAY WE WERE RESPONDING SOMETIMES WHEN FORCE WAS BEING INITIATED, HOW QUICKLY OR NOT QUICKLY, WE'VE SEEN BOTH, UH, SPECTRUMS OF THAT.
UM, ONE OF THE AREA WE SPENT CONSIDERABLE FOCUS WAS DEESCALATION.
AND USING OUR SAFE TEAM, WE HAD SOME CALLS FOR SERVICE.
I KNOW THAT IN THE INITIAL REVIEW, IT WAS, WHY WASN'T THE SAFE TEAM UTILIZED? WERE THEY REQUESTED? AND OFTENTIMES WHEN WE DID OUR REVIEW, WE FOUND THAT THE TEAM WAS ON A TRANSPORT OUT OF THE CITY, AND SO THEY WEREN'T AVAILABLE TO US.
AND SO THERE WERE AREAS THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE IDENTIFYING POTENTIAL, UM, FOCUS OR POINTS OF EMPHASIS THAT THEY WANTED TO EXPLORE AND DISCUSS WITH US.
AND WITH FURTHER CONTEXT, THERE WAS AN EXPLANATION TO WHY THE SITUATION WAS RESOLVED, THE MANNER IT WAS, OR WHY THE ACTIONS OF THE OFFICERS WERE WHAT THEY WERE.
OR SOMETIMES IT WAS, THIS IS WHAT THE, THE ACTIONS WERE AND WE'RE IN AGREEMENT THAT THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOMETHING THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE DIFFERENTLY.
AND WE WOULD SHARE THAT INFORMATION INTERNALLY FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, TO IMPROVE ON THE FOLLOWING CALLS.
BECAUSE OFTEN, UNFORTUNATELY, WE CONTINUE TO, TO ENCOUNTER SOME OF THE SAME INDIVIDUALS, OR WE DEFINITELY RESPOND TO SIMILAR CALLS, AND WE CAN APPLY WHAT WE'VE LEARNED FROM THOSE INCIDENTS TO THE NEXT CALL FOR SERVICE.
I, I DID, AND I DID MEAN TO IMPLY THAT, UH, DISAGREE, A LITTLE DISAGREEMENT WOULD BE BAD.
YOU KNOW, I, I, I MORE, I'M COMING FROM THE OTHER DIRECTION TO THINK, UH, THERE SHOULD BE A LITTLE BIT.
UM, BUT I APPRECIATE, UH, THAT EVERYONE'S GETTING ALONG AND, AND THINGS ARE MOVING.
I, UM, THE IPA MENTIONED THERE DURING THE IDEA THAT, THAT YOU AGREE THAT, UH, UH, BODY-WORN CAMERA ACTIVATION SHOULD BE MANDATORY.
THAT, AND, BUT, BUT, UH, ONE OF OUR CONSTITUENTS HAS MENTIONED THAT IT, IT JUST SAYS SHOULD IN THE, IN THE, UH, IN THE, UH, PPDS POLICY MANUAL.
IS THAT, UH, GONNA BE CHANGED THEN, DO YOU THINK? OR, SO THE POLICY AS WRITTEN IS, IS IT SHOULD BE USED.
IT OUTLINES ALL THE SITUATIONS WE RECOGNIZED, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, COLLECTIVELY, WE HAD WAITED ON THAT POLICY FOR UPDATING UNTIL THE IPA WAS SEATED, SO THAT WE DIDN'T, UH, ATTEMPT TO UPDATE IT ON OUR OWN.
AND THEN A FEW MONTHS LATER, UPDATE IT, UH, WITH THE IPA AND HAVING OUR STAFF TRAINED TWICE ON THAT.
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IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN STILL HAS SHOULD FOR THE CONTEXT OF WHICH SITUATIONS, BUT WHAT HAS BEEN CHANGED IS THAT IT'S EXPECTED TO BE TURNED ON.IT'S EXPECTED TO HAVE THE 30 MIN, UH, 30 SECONDS OF PRERECORD.
SO WHEN THEY TURN IT ON, IT HA CAPTURES THE PRIOR 30 SECONDS WITH AUDIO, WITHOUT THE AUDIO SO THAT YOU CAN SEE WHAT'S OCCURRING AS WELL AS WE'VE ELIMINATED THE ABILITY TO MUTE OR DEACTIVATE.
SO VERY OFTEN HISTORICALLY, OFFICERS WERE ON CALLS AND WERE TURNING OFF AND ON BASED ON WHEN THEY WERE GOING IN AND OUT OF THEIR, OUT OF HOMES TO THEIR VEHICLES OR TALKING TO IN, IN, UH, DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS.
AND WE WERE FINDING THAT SOMETIMES THERE WAS ACCIDENTAL, UM, YOU KNOW, DEACTIVATIONS AND FORGOT TO TURN IT BACK ON.
UH, SOMETIMES IT WAS BEING MUTED AND THE OFFICERS FORGOT TO TURN IT BACK ON.
AND SO WE, WE DID NOT CAPTURE THE AUDIO IN REALLY PERTINENT AND EVIDENTIARY SITUATIONS.
UM, WE RECORD AN IMMENSE AMOUNT.
WE SEE THAT STAFF IS RECORDING, UM, ALL THE TIME.
UM, AND TO THEIR BENEFIT, UM, IT'S AN EXPECTATION THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE REQUEST IT, BUT WE DO FIND THAT, THAT IT'S ALSO CHALLENGING TO NAVIGATE SOME OF THESE SITUATIONS AND THINGS OCCUR QUICKLY, AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY IN SOME, UM, DYNAMIC SITUATIONS TO ACTIVATE IT.
AND WE INTEND TO HAVE IT AND EXPECT TO, AND COMMUNICATE REGULARLY ABOUT THAT.
THEY SHOULD IN ALL CIRCUMSTANCES.
BUT WE RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE SOME TIMES WHERE IT'S NOT FEASIBLE.
AND, AND LET ME JUST ADD, IF I MAY, THAT, UH, BODY-WORN CAMERAS ARE REALLY AN AMAZING TOOL, UH, WHICH HAVE HERETO FOUR BEEN UNDERUTILIZED, RIGHT? UH, THE REVIEWS THAT WE'RE DOING, UM, ARE, ARE NOT DONE BY REALLY ANY DEPARTMENT, UH, ON THE, THE KIND OF CONSISTENT REGULAR BASIS THAT, THAT WE ARE DOING IT.
UM, IT'S TRULY AN EARLY WARNING SYSTEM, RIGHT? IT IS, IT IS A SYSTEM THAT LOOKS AT THINGS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE BETTER AND TEACHES OFFICERS IN THE MOMENT HOW THEY COULD HAVE BEEN DONE BETTER, RIGHT? UH, AND THAT IS AS EARLY A WARNING SYSTEM AS, AS YOU CAN HAVE.
AND THE IDEA IS TO CATCH THE SMALL THINGS BEFORE THEY BECOME BIG THINGS.
UM, AND IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE REMEDIATIONS, WHICH ARE, UM, DERIVE FROM OUR WATCHING OF THE BODY-WORN CAMERA VIDEO IS NOT DISCIPLINARY, UM, EXCEPT IN AN EXTREME EXAMPLE, IT'S ABOUT COACHING AND MENTORING AND RETRAINING AND TRYING TO MAKE YOUR OFFICERS AS, UH, BEST AS THEY CAN POSSIBLY BE FOR THE CITY.
UH, OR ACTUALLY A MORE OF A COMMENT FROM ONE OF, UH, OUR CONSTITUENTS THAT I THOUGHT WAS A GOOD IDEA IN TERMS OF CONSIDERATION IN THE, UH, WORK PLAN FOR THE COMING YEAR.
UM, UM, A, UH, FOCUS ON, ON THE HIRING OF POLICE OFFICERS.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE, I CAN'T, I'M, I'M NOT SURE I REMEMBER IF THAT'S IN OUR, UH, YOUR LIST OF RESPONSIBILITIES.
SO IT'S, IT'S INTERESTING IN THE LIST OF RESPONSIBILITIES AS REVIEWING THE BACKGROUND INVESTIGATIONS THAT ARE DONE, AND WE'RE WORKING ON THAT, REALLY HAVEN'T DONE THAT, UH, IN THE FIRST EIGHT AND A HALF MONTHS.
UM, THERE'S A NEW, UH, SYSTEM THAT'S COMING ONLINE, WHICH WILL FACILITATE THE, THE REVIEW OF THESE BACKGROUND INVESTIGATIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE DONE APPROPRIATELY.
UM, I, I HAVE A, A, A BACKGROUND IN BACKGROUND INVESTIGATION, SO, UH, WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO THAT REALLY, UH, RELATIVELY EASILY.
UM, IN TERMS OF THE QUALITY OF THE HIRES, UM, I CAN SPEAK TO THE, THE NEW HIRES, BUT I CAN SPEAK TO THE QUALITY OF INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE CURRENTLY IN THE DEPARTMENT, AND I HAVE FOUND THEM TO BE, UH, UNIVERSALLY, UH, OF EXTREMELY HIGH QUALITY.
AND I COMMEND, UH, BRIAN AND THE TEAM FOR, UH, FOR THEIR HIRES.
YEAH, AND I WOULD JUST, UH, CONTINUE ON THAT.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE HIRED A CONSIDERABLE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THE PAST FEW YEARS.
WE CAN'T TRAIN CHARACTER, SO WE HIRE FOR CHARACTER AND INTEGRITY AND ETHICAL STANDARDS.
UM, AS JEFF MENTIONED, UH, IN ADDITION TO THEIR REVIEW AND WHAT WE PLAN TO INCLUDE IN THIS YEAR'S WORK PLAN, WE ARE REGULARLY INSPECTED AND AUDITED BY THE CALIFORNIA PEACE OFFICERS STANDARDS AND TRAINING COMMISSION.
THEY DO BACKGROUND AUDIT INVESTIGATIONS.
THEY LOOK AT THE TRAINING FILES, THEY MAKE SURE THEY'RE COMPLETE AND THOROUGH, THEY'RE PROPERLY MAINTAINED THAT WE FULFILLED ALL THE REQUIREMENTS IN THEIR, THEY'RE ISSUED REGULATIONS ON THE HIRING STANDARDS.
UM, WE CAN PROVIDE ALL THOSE, AND IT'S PRETTY
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A COMPREHENSIVE, ROBUST PROCESS, BUT THEY COME BACK IN AND AUDIT.AND WE PASSED OUR, OUR MOST RECENT AUDIT WITHOUT ISSUE OVER THE PAST YEAR.
WE'VE ALSO INTEGRATED TECHNOLOGY SOLUTIONS INTO PORTIONS OF OUR RECRUITMENT AND HIRING PROCESS THROUGH OUR PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS DIVISION.
SO WE'RE USING SOME SYSTEMS THAT HELP SCREEN THE INTERNET FOR CONTENT FROM APPLICANTS RELATED TO BIAS, UH, DISCRIMINATION HATE SPEECH.
UH, THOSE QUERIES ARE PROVIDED TO THE BACKGROUND INVESTIGATOR FOR REVIEW AND INCLUDED IN PART OF THEIR BACKGROUND PROCESS.
I, UH, LAST THING TO ADD, I WOULD'VE TO MAKE A COMMENT SIMPLY TO, UH, UH, THAT I APPRECIATED THE REMARKS ABOUT INCREASING THE LOOKING AT, UH, RACIAL BIAS IN, IN EVERYTHING WE DO.
WONDERFUL PRESENTATION ON THAT.
I READ THE REPORT, IT'S ENTIRETY,
UH, THE POLICE CHIEF MILLER, THANK YOU FOR YOUR RESPONSE TODAY.
I THINK, UH, YOU PROBABLY WROTE IT, I SUSPECT, UM, BUT IT REALLY CORROBORATED THAT THE TWO OF YOU'RE REALLY WORKING TOGETHER CLOSELY, WHICH IS WHAT WE WERE SEEKING.
SO IT'S, IT'S A TWO DIRECTIONAL SPEED, NOT JUST ONE WAY, BUT IT'S TWO DIRECTIONAL, WHICH IS A GOOD THING.
UM, COUPLE, UH, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? UM, UH, THE FIRST ONE YOU TALKED ABOUT 360 DEGREE EVALUATIONS OF INCIDENCES.
UM, AND WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 360 DEGREES, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE INCIDENT TIME, WHEN IT STARTS, WHEN IT'S COMPLETION? OR ARE WE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT 360 A LITTLE BIT WIDER? UH, HOW MANY COFFEES WERE DRUNK THAT MORNING, OR HOW, WHAT WAS THE STATE OF MIND OF, OF THE PARTICIPANTS AS THEY, AS THEY WERE DURING THIS INCIDENT? UM, WAS THERE ANY IMPACTS FROM THEIR STATE OF MIND OR, OR, OR SOCIAL, UM, WELLBEING? UM, IS THAT INCLUDED IN, IN THIS? UH, OR YOU JUST LOOK AT THE ACTUAL INCIDENT START TO FINISH? WE'RE LOOKING AT THE INCIDENT FROM START TO FINISH ACROSS THE PARAMETERS THAT I MENTIONED, UH, EARLIER.
SO LOOKING AT THE INITIAL CONTACT AND, UH, MAKING A DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THAT MET CONSTITUTIONAL MUSTER AND TAKING IT FROM THERE.
WE'RE LOOKING AT PRE-INCIDENT PLANNING OF, UH, OF OFFICERS WE'RE LOOKING AT DEESCALATION, BUT ALL WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK OF THE INCIDENT, NOT WITHIN THE MINDSET OF THE POLICE OFFICER AND, UH, UM, OTHER THAN THE MINDSET, WHICH IS EVIDENT THROUGH, THROUGH THEIR ACTIONS.
WHAT 360 MEANS ON THAT COUNCIL MEMBER.
CAN I SPEAK TO THAT AS WELL? YEAH, I, I JUST REALLY WANT TO EMPHASIZE WHAT THAT SHIFT IS AND WHAT THAT MEANS.
SO IN MY CAREER AS A FIRST LINE SUPERVISOR, EIGHT OR NINE YEARS AGO, WE WOULD LOOK AT A USE OF FORCE AND ONLY A USE OF FORCE, NOT A SHOW OF FORCE.
SO, UH, WE WOULD HAVE TO APPLY SOMETHING OUTSIDE OR BEYOND PHYSICAL HANDCUFFING OR STANDARD HANDCUFFING.
SO, UM, PEPPER SPRAY, A TASER, UM, YOU KNOW, PHYSICAL, UH, UH, HAND TO HAND, UH, RESTRAINTS.
UM, AND SO WHAT HAS SHIFTED IS THOSE REVIEWS HISTORICALLY WERE, UH, SECONDS BEFORE THE APPLICATION OF FORCE TO WHEN THE FORCE WAS OVER AND THE PERSON WAS IN CUSTODY.
WE REVIEWED THAT THAT MAY BE TWO MINUTES OF AN OTHERWISE HOUR LONG INCIDENT.
AND AS JEFF MENTIONED, THE 360 REVIEW GOES TO INITIATION OF THE CALL, THE RESPONSE TO THE CALL, THE INFORMATION GATHERED BY THE DISPATCHER, WHAT'S RECEIVED AND TRANSMITTED TO THE OFFICER, HOW THEY RESPONDED, THEIR TACTICAL PLANNING, THE RESOURCES THEY USE, THE COVER OFFICERS THAT ARE THERE WITH THEM WHEN THEY ARRIVE ON SCENE, WHAT ARE THEIR TACTICS? WHAT ARE THEY DOING? HOW ARE THEY APPROACHING THEIR COMMUNICATION THROUGH THE ENTIRE INCIDENT TO THE VERY END, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, BOOKED OR CLOSED BY, YOU KNOW, THE CASE IS NOW CLOSED AND NOW WE START REPORT WRITING.
THOSE ARE HOURS OF REVIEW WITH MULTIPLE OFFICERS, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERY OFFICER INVOLVED.
SO THE WEIGHT OF A REVIEW, ALL OF THE POLICIES THAT CARRY THROUGH THAT PROCESS ARE LOOKED AT AND ARE DISCUSSED.
AND SO IT IS A INCREDIBLY VOLUMOUS AMOUNT OF WORK, AND IT IS A DRAMATIC SHIFT.
AND WHAT WE ARE SEEING FROM OUR ALLIED PARTNERS IS NO ONE ELSE IS DOING THIS.
UM, NO ONE ELSE IS LOOKING AT THE BROADER APPLICATIONS.
THEY'RE LOOKING AT MUCH MORE FOCUSED, UH, SPECIFIC TYPES OF INCIDENTS, UH, WAY, WAY FEWER THAN WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT.
AND THEIR ANALYSIS OF THOSE INCIDENTS IS REALLY FOCUSED ON JUST THE APPLICATION ITSELF, NOT AS JEFF MENTIONED, THE POLICY, THE ADHERENCE, THE LEGAL APPLICATIONS, THE CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING COMPONENTS TO IT.
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SHIFT IN OUR MINDSET OF JUST HOW OUR PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS DIVISION IS EVEN ASSESSING AND WORKING, INTEGRATED WITH THE IPA ON THESE REVIEWS.AND, AND IF I CAN JUST CONJURE UP, UH, SOME, SOME THOUGHT HERE WITH RESPECT TO THE, UM, THE EFFECT OF THOSE KIND OF REVIEWS.
IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE HEADLINES, UH, THE DEREK CHAUVIN'S AND GEORGE FLOYD'S AND THE, THE MEMPHIS SITUATION, AND FILL IN THE BLANK WITH ANY ONE OF THOSE, IF THOSE DEPARTMENTS AND THOSE OFFICERS HAD BEEN SUBJECT TO THIS KIND OF REVIEW, THOSE INCIDENTS WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED.
THOSE INDIVIDUALS WOULD'VE BEEN WEEDED OUT, WOULD'VE BEEN TRAINED, UH, IN A WAY THAT MADE SURE THAT THEY WEREN'T USING THE KIND OF TACTICS THAT ULTIMATELY ENDED UP BEING USED.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THERE WON'T BE AN INCIDENT BECAUSE YOU ARE DEALING WITH HUMAN BEINGS.
AND HUMAN BEINGS CAN, UH, CAN IN FACT MESS UP AND THAT MESS UP CAN BE INTENTIONAL OR NOT.
UM, BUT IT DOES MEAN THAT BY AND LARGE, THOSE KIND OF EVENTS CAN AND WILL BE AVOIDED.
AND THIS IS GOING TO SAVE NOT ONLY MONEY IN TERMS OF LIABILITY, UH, BUT IT'S GOING TO SAVE OFFICERS CAREERS, UH, DOWN THE ROAD AS WELL.
UM, YEAH, IF I HAD TO WEAR A BODY CAMERA THROUGH MY PROFESSIONAL CAREER, EIGHT HOURS, 10 HOURS A DAY, THAT'S A, THAT'S A SCARY THOUGHT FOR ME.
SO, 'CAUSE, UH, STAYING ON DISCIPLINE, THAT LEVEL OF DISCIPLINE FOR THE FULL WORK DAY, UM, IS EXTREMELY HIGH EXPECTATIONS ON, ON THAT.
SO, SO THANK YOU FOR, FOR, FOR, UM, HAVING THAT AND, AND SETTING THAT VERY HIGH STANDARD OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
UM, MOVING ON TO THE, UH, UH, A SECOND TOPIC AND, UH,
'CAUSE I, I HAD A, UM, ONE OF MY CERTIFICATES IS IN STATISTICS, AND OF COURSE STATISTICS LIE QUITE A BIT AND CAN BE USED TO LIE.
AND I JUST WANNA, UM, UM, I, I KEEP HEARING, OH, IS THERE, IS THERE A RACE BIAS AND, OH, UM, ONE RACE IS, IS HIGHER INCIDENT THAN OTHERS, AND I JUST NEED TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT STATISTICS CAN BE MISINTERPRETED.
UM, THAT THIS IS NOT CAUSALITY, BUT THIS IS POSSIBLY CORRELATION.
AND CORRELATIONS CAN HAVE, UM, MULTIPLE CORRELATIONS INVOLVED, NOT THE DIRECT THIS VERSUS THAT, BUT THERE COULD BE THIRD AND FORWARD FACTORS THAT AREN'T EVEN MENTIONED.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY THE CAUSATION FOR THESE, THIS CORRELATION THAT'S HAPPENING.
'CAUSE I WOULD EXPECT IF YOU PUT IN, UH, BESIDES RACE, YOU PUT IN A LEVEL OF HOMELESSNESS OVER THEIR LIFETIME LEVEL OF ECONOMICS OVER THEIR LIFETIME FOR THE, FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL THAT, THAT THIS OCCURRED FOR, YOU WOULD FIND EXTREMELY HIGH CORRELATION WITH THOSE FACTORS.
SO IT, IT, UM, TO, EVEN THOUGH RACE MAY COME UP AND, AND SHOW IT AS THE, THE OBVIOUS THING, OH, IT MUST BE RACE.
UM, IT'S POSSIBLY, AND I WOULD SUGGEST MORE SO AN ECONOMIC CORRELATION THAN A RACE RELATION.
UH, 'CAUSE THE ECONOMIC, IT'S ALL CORRELATED.
AND SO JUST AS A REMINDER OF THAT, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR STATISTICS, ESPECIALLY WITH, WITH RACE RELATIONS, THAT THE, THE, UH, CORRELATION'S, NOT CAUSALITY.
UM, JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT.
THE THIRD THING, I THINK WHAT WAS SORT OF REFERENCED TO IS THE STILL THE NEED FOR A, UM, A PUBLIC CITIZENS REVIEW OR COMMITTEE TO OVERVIEW.
AND THAT HASN'T BEEN MENTIONED AT THIS POINT, AND I WAS HOPING YOU, YOU WOULD'VE BROUGHT UP, UM, A TIMING AS TO WHEN THAT GROUP OF OUR LOCAL CITIZENS COULD BE PARTICIPATORY IN, IN THE REVIEW PROCESS OR AUDITING.
UM, IS THAT GETTING ORGANIZED NOW AND WHEN CAN THAT HAPPEN? SO I CAN SPEAK, WE, WE ARE COLLECTIVELY AS A CITY TEAM, UH, WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE WORKING ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORY GROUP, AND WE HOPE TO BRING SOMETHING BACK THIS SUMMER.
I'D LIKE TO GET OUR POLICE CHIEF SEATED, AND WE'LL BE DOING THAT WITHIN, UH, WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH, MONTH AND A HALF.
AND THEN WE WILL BE BRINGING THE PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORY GROUP PARAMETERS TO COUNCIL THIS SUMMER.
UM, I DON'T HAVE TOO MANY QUESTIONS.
UM, MORE COMMENTS AFTER, UM, YOU MENTIONED, UH, UM, DISPARITIES TO NOT, ARE NOT EVIDENCE OF BIAS OR THERE, THERE SHOULDN'T BE TAKEN THAT WAY.
SO WHY DO, CAN YOU GIVE IT SOME EXAMPLES OF WHY WE WOULD SEE DISPARITIES?
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I MEAN, HE, HE COUNCIL MEMBER SHOULD JUST TALKED ABOUT ECONOMICS.CAN YOU TALK ABOUT OTHER THINGS THAT YOU'VE SEEN OF WHY DISPARITIES MIGHT EXIST? SO THERE ARE ANY NUMBER OF REASONS THAT DISPARITIES CAN EXIST.
AND, UH, THE COUNCIL MEMBER OUTLINED A, A NUMBER OF THEM, UM, ENFORCEMENT PATTERNS, UH, IN LARGER CITIES, UH, THAT, UH, ARE CONCENTRATING EFFORTS IN HIGH CRIME AREAS AND WHERE HIGH CRIME AREAS MAY BE MADE UP OF A CERTAIN RACIAL OR ETHNIC GROUP.
THAT'S A REASON, RIGHT? UM, ECONOMIC DISPARITIES, HOMELESS, UH, SITUATIONS OR THE, THE STATUS OF, UH, UH, OF AN INDIVIDUAL RELATIVE TO BEING HOUSED OR UNHOUSED, CERTAINLY A ANOTHER, UH, POTENTIAL SITUATION.
UM, THIS IS A HOT TOPIC IN CRIMINAL JUSTICE.
UM, THE ABILITY TO DRAW, UM, LINES OF CAUSALITY IS A DIFFICULT ONE.
AND DECIDING ON WHAT BENCHMARKS TO USE AS THE DENOMINATOR, UH, FOR AN EVALUATION.
IS IT POPULATION? WELL, IF YOU USE POPULATION BY THAT MEASURE, 20% OR, OR SO OF YOUR CRIMINALS SHOULD BE, UH, CHILDREN, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
UM, SO DIFFICULT TOPIC, UH, COMPLICATED TOPIC AND WE NEED TO, TO LOOK AT IT CAREFULLY.
UM, ONE THING I CAN ALMOST GUARANTEE IS THAT THERE WILL BE, DISPARITIES WOULD VERY ODD IF EVERYBODY CAME OUT AT EXACTLY THE SAME NUMBER, EVERY RACIAL GROUP.
SO, UM, PREPARE YOURSELF FOR DISPARITIES.
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THOSE DISPARITIES ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
UM, AND WE'LL SEE, AND WE'LL TRY TO FIGURE OUT THE REASONS THAT THERE MAY BE DISPARITIES THERE.
UM, THE, UH, VICE MAYOR ASKED THE QUESTION I HAD MOST CONCERN ON, WHICH WAS, WHEN WILL WE HAVE OUR ADVISORY GROUP IN PLACE? AND, UH, I, I KNOW WE'VE BEEN RECEIVING UPDATES THAT IT'S ALWAYS FUN TO GET A NEW UPDATE.
UM, 'CAUSE THAT'S AN EXCITING MOMENT.
UH, AND, UM, I DO APPRECIATE THAT YOU, UM, GAVE CREDIT TO THIS COUNCIL OR ME TO, FOR, UM, FOR THE PROGRAM.
BUT I HAVE TO SAY, OUR, WE WERE ON THIS PATH SINCE 2020 WHEN THE GEORGE FLOYD INCIDENT CAME UP.
IT'S OUR COMMUNITY THAT DEMANDED THIS FROM US.
AND SO, UM, I THINK THAT THE, THE CITY'S ACHIEVEMENT, UH, THE STAFF'S ACHIEVEMENT ALL AROUND IS SUPER, UH, CRITICAL.
AND I GUESS MY, MY QUESTION IS, IS, UM, I'M LISTENING TO THE WEEKLY MEETING YOU HAVE AND THE, UH, RESOURCES WE ALLOCATE TO THAT.
AND I'M ASSUMING THAT IT'S SOMEWHAT TAKES THE PLACE OF EXISTING TRAINING AND OR EXISTING COMMAND, UH, CONVERSATION.
IT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT OF AN AD AS WELL.
AND THEN, UM, THE QUANTITY REVIEW YOU MENTIONED PER EACH INCIDENT ADDS UP TO A LOT OF OFFICER HOURS.
AND, UM, CERTAINLY WE GET A MUCH, MUCH HIGHER QUALITY OUT OF IT.
AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, LONG RANGE BENEFITS OUT OF IT.
AND IT'S THE ANSWER TO THE COMMUNITY QUESTION.
BUT, UM, ARE WE DOING OKAY WITH KEEPING PATROL HOURS ON EVEN, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH WE'VE ASSIGNED IT TO MORE TRAINING AND WHATNOT, ARE WE DOING OKAY ON THE PATROL HOUR ASPECT? SO, I, I WOULD SAY THAT ONE OF THE REQUESTS I'VE HAD OF JEFF IS ASSESSING OUR PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS DIVISION FOR OUR EFFECTIVENESS.
I MEAN, THE MILESTONES FOR THIS FIRST YEAR ARE WE MADE THE DECISION.
WE'VE OPENED AND GIVE THEM, GIVEN THEM ALL OF THE ACCESS TO OUR DATABASES AND SYSTEMS AND REPORT WRITING PROGRAMS. WE'VE CLEARED TECHNOLOGY HURDLES.
WE'VE IMPLEMENTED THE PROGRAM, WE'VE BUILT A FRAMEWORK.
WE'VE ESTABLISHED OUR FRAUGHT PROCESSES, AND WE ARE TRAINING OUR STAFF AT EVERY LEVEL, INCLUDING THE EXECUTIVE LEVEL OF OUR COMMAND STAFF ON THE PROCESS, THE PROCEDURES, AND MADE REFINEMENTS ALONG THE WAY.
UM, ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE NOT ATTRIBUTED TO OR ACCOUNTED IN THE VOLUME OF WORK.
UH, FRANKLY, THE REVIEWS THEMSELVES ARE JUST A FRACTION OF THE TOTAL WORK.
UM, WE DO VALUE, UH, AND SEEK, OFTEN AS I KNOW, CHIEF ANO AND MYSELF HAVE PRESENTED A NUMBER OF TIMES ABOUT, UH, AVAILABLE TIME OF OUR STAFF, AND WE'RE SENSITIVE TO THE WEIGHT AND THE SENSE THE,
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THE DOCUMENTATION, THE LEVEL THAT THEY'RE DOING OF THESE REVIEWS.AND WE'RE PROVIDING FEEDBACK ON THAT AND TRACKING THOSE.
BUT WE'RE SEEING THAT AT THE SUPERVISOR LEVEL WITH MEMBERS OF OUR DEPARTMENT, OUR SUPERVISORY TEAM, OUR EXECUTIVE TEAM HERE TONIGHT.
AND THEY WOULD ALL SAY THAT THIS IS, THIS IS A CONSIDERABLE SHIFT.
WE RECOGNIZE AND UNDERSTAND THAT AS WE BECOME INCREASINGLY MORE FAMILIAR WITH IT, WE HOPE TO BUILD, UH, THAT MUSCLE MEMORY AND THOSE EFFICIENCIES AND LOOK FOR CONTINUED IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL AS WE ANTICIPATE OUR STAFF ACCLIMATING TO THESE EXPECTATIONS.
AND THE HIGH DEGREE OF PERFORMANCE, THAT'S THE STANDARD.
I THINK THAT, AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, UH, WE ARE NO LONGER LOOKING AT LEGAL AUTHORITY AND COMPLIANCE WITH POLICY.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS WHAT JEFF MENTIONED, THAT ONE MORE THING THAT WE COULD HAVE DONE BETTER.
AND ULTIMATELY, I HAVE NEVER ONCE IN MY CAREER SEEN ANYONE USE FORCE BECAUSE THEY CAN USE FORCE OR THAT THEY WANTED TO USE FORCE.
WE USE FORCE IN THOSE SITUATIONS THAT ARE RARE AND INFREQUENT, THAT ARE NECESSITIES AND THAT WE HAVE TO, AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN DO THINGS AND MAKE PREVENTATIVE MEASURES AND PROGRAMS AND INITIATIVES AND WORK AND DEESCALATE SITUATIONS.
AND MY STAFF IS INCREDIBLY ARTICULATE AND CRITICAL THINKERS AND MITIGATE THOSE NEEDS TO USE FORCE.
AND IT WOULD BE GREAT TO, TO REDUCE THE, THE FREQUENCY TO ZERO.
ULTIMATELY THAT WOULD BE IDEAL.
BUT IN THE SHORT TERM, WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO WHAT WE'RE DOING.
UM, WE HAVE HIGH EXPECTATIONS OF OURSELF.
WE PROBABLY OVER DOCUMENT AND OVER REVIEW AND OVER ARTICULATE.
AND BY THE TIME IT GETS TO JEFF, I, I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE AUDITED OURSELF QUITE CONSIDERABLY.
UM, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE WE HAVE A HIGH EXPECTATION IN, IN THE QUALITY OF SERVICE THAT WE'RE PROVIDING TO THE COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE HIGH EXPECTATIONS IN OURSELF, AND WE WANT TO SHOW AND DEMONSTRATE WHAT I'VE ONLY EVER EXPERIENCED IN MY CAREER, WHICH IS AN INCREDIBLY REMARKABLE PROFESSIONAL, UM, LEADING POLICE DEPARTMENT AND WE'RE CONTINUED TO LEAD WITH THIS PROGRAM.
I'M HOPING THAT THIS PROGRAM DOES EXACTLY WHAT THE PUBLIC WANTS AND GIVES US, UH, QUALITY AND GIVES US RETENTION, WHICH PAYS DIVIDENDS TOO.
I MEAN, THAT'S GOTTA BE A GOAL RETENTION TOO.
QUALITY OFFICERS A ABSOLUTELY.
AND I THINK WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS INCREASED TRAINING, INCREASED CLARITY IN WHAT OUR POLICIES AND PRACTICES AND EXPECTATIONS ARE.
WE ALSO CLEARLY SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT IS NOT UNCOMMON FOR MYSELF, FOR CITY MANAGER FLYNN OR OTHERS WITHIN THE CITY TO HEAR ABOUT SITUATIONS AND INCIDENTS THAT ARE OCCURRING IN JURISDICTIONS NOT FAR FROM HERE.
AND THE OUTCOMES ARE DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT CONSISTENTLY.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S NOT BY HAPPENSTANCE.
THAT'S BECAUSE WE'RE HIRING FOR CHARACTER.
WE'RE TRAINING WITH HIGH, HIGH EXPECTATIONS AND CLARITY TO THE PRO PROCESSES AND PRACTICES.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THE LITTLE THINGS BECAUSE THE LITTLE THINGS MATTER.
AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR EVERY LITTLE THING THAT WE CAN DO BETTER EACH AND EVERY TIME.
UM, IS THAT AN UNCOMFORTABLE FEELING? YEAH, WE'RE VULNERABLE.
IT DOES NOT FEEL GOOD TO BE AUDITED.
I WOULD NOT WANT TO GET MY TAXES AUDITED NEXT MONTH, BUT AT THE SAME TOKEN, IF IT HAPPENS, IT HAPPENS.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, HOW WE'VE APPROACHED THIS WHOLE PROGRAM.
WE'RE REALLY PROUD OF THE LEVEL OF SERVICE WE CONTINUE TO PRO PROVIDE, BUT WE ALSO KNOW WE'VE GOT JUNIOR STAFF THAT MAY MAKE MISTAKES AND WE WILL BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THOSE MISTAKES.
AND WE'LL LOOK FOR WAYS TO COACH OURSELVES AND DEVELOP OURSELVES AND IMPROVE, AND THROUGH MENTORSHIP WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT, STRIVE TO BE BETTER THE NEXT TIME.
I'D LIKE TO OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT NOW, AND WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO ASK OUR CITY CLERK IF WE RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS ON THIS.
WE RECEIVED THREE PUBLIC COMMENTS, WHICH ARE POSTED TO THE WEBSITE.
AND I'D LIKE TO ASK OUR MODERATOR ON THE MESSAGING.
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ATTENDING IN PERSON SHOULD BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE SO.
SPEAKERS ARE REMINDED TO BE RESPECTFUL IN THEIR COMMENTS THAT THIS MEETING IS BEING TRANSLATED.
PLEASE PAUSE BETWEEN SENTENCES FOR TRANSLATION.
THE TIMER BEHIND THE DIOCESE WILL BE RESET FOR EACH SPEAKER.
IS ANY ANYONE, ANYONE ELSE HEADING TO THE, UH, TABLE TO FILL A CARD? THANK YOU.
I HAVE SIX CARDS FOR THE EVENING, WHICH WILL LEAVE US AT A THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER.
OUR FIRST SPEAKER TO BE ERIC LELAND, TO BE FOLLOWED BY JOHN UPON
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GOOD EVENING.UH, THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK ON THIS.
UM, I SUBMITTED A PUBLIC COMMENT AND I WON'T REVIEW ALL OF THAT.
UM, BUT I WOULD REQUEST THAT COUNCIL ASK THE IPA TO SUBMIT AN ADDENDUM TO THIS ANNUAL REPORT BEFORE THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
I THINK THE ADDENDUM SHOULD THOROUGHLY ADDRESS THE FEEDBACK FROM BOTH THE WRITTEN AND A PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY.
UH, FROM WHAT I'VE READ, IT'S SOME PRETTY GOOD COMMENTS.
UM, IN PARTICULAR, THE DATA AND THE USE OF FORCE WAS NOT PROVIDED WITH ANY CONTEXT REGARDING THE ASSESSING RACIAL DISPARITIES IN POLICING.
WE CAN'T EVEN BEGIN TO LOOK AT CORRELATION OR CAUSATION WITHOUT THAT INFORMATION.
THIS IS UNFORTUNATE, UM, AS WHEN IT'S COMPARED TO ONLY ONE METRIC POPULATION, THERE ARE HUGE RACIAL DISPARITIES.
UNDERSTANDING THE SPECIFIC SEVERITY HERE RE REQUIRES LOOKING AT A LOT MORE THAN SIMPLY POPULATION.
UH, THAT POINT'S BEEN MADE IN A NUMBER OF TIMES, YET THIS CONTEXT IS COMPLETELY MISSING IN THE REPORT.
AND THERE'S ONLY VAGUE REFERENCE TO ACTION STEPS IN THE WORK PLAN REGARDING THIS.
UM, SO LET'S PROVIDE THAT CONTEXT, UH, IN AN ADDENDUM SO EVERYONE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT GOES INTO ASSESSING DISPARITIES, FIGURING OUT CORRELATION, MAKE, BRINGING THAT TO CAUSATION, HOW DIFFICULT THAT CAN BE SO THAT THE PUBLIC CAN START REALLY, UH, SORT OF CHEWING ON THAT WITH ALL, WITH EVERYBODY ELSE HERE.
UH, ADDITIONALLY, UH, THE SLIDE PRESENTATION SAID THAT THE IPA WOULD PRESENT ALL OF THEIR FINDINGS, AND THE FINDINGS WERE ENUMERATED IN EACH SLIDE, 61 OF THESE, AND 42 OF THOSE AND SO FORTH.
UM, WE SHOULD INCLUDE THAT IN THE ADDENDUM AS WELL.
I, I DON'T MEAN A SUMMARY OF FINDINGS, BUT THE ACTUAL RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, SO THAT WE CAN GET A BETTER SENSE OF HOW THIS REALLY WORKS.
UH, SO IF YOU WOULD, IN THAT ADDENDUM, PLEASE INCLUDE EACH RECOMMENDATION ENUMERATED IN THE PRESENTATION.
JOHANNA POND TO BE FOLLOWED BY ELLEN OSLER.
UM, I'M HERE TONIGHT TO ASK FOR ALL PUBLIC SAFETY EMPLOYEES TO RECEIVE TRAUMA-INFORMED TRAINING, TRAINING THAT IS CULTURALLY RELEVANT AND RESPONSIVE.
I HAD AN INTERACTION YESTERDAY WITH DISPATCH WHERE I WAS LEFT FEELING FRUSTRATED AND DISREGARDED AND UNABLE TO FATHOM HOW IT IS A REASONABLE EXPECTATION FOR SOMEONE CALLING 9 1 1 IN A STATE OF DISTRESS TO BE CALM AND NOT IN A HEIGHTENED STATE, ESPECIALLY AS I WAS CALLING 9 1 1 BECAUSE I HAD JUST WITNESSED A WOMAN IN HER SIXTIES BE PHYSICALLY ASSAULTED.
MANY AGENCIES PROVIDE TRAININGS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY PROFESSIONALS TO INCREASE UNDERSTANDING AND AWARENESS OF THE IMPACT OF TRAUMA AND TO DEVELOP TRAUMA-INFORMED RESPONSES AND POLICIES.
BUT WHAT I REALLY WANT IS FOR MYSELF, MY FAMILY, AND OTHERS WHO LOOK LIKE US TO BE SEEN AS WHOLE HUMANS.
I'VE HAD MULTIPLE NEGATIVE INTERACTIONS WITH PUBLIC SAFETY.
MY CHILDREN WERE HIT BY A CAR, AND TWO OF THEIR BROKEN BODIES WERE NOT OFFERED EVEN BASIC FIRST AID.
I HAD RESIDENTS OF THIS TOWN FILE A COMPLAINT ON MY IN KENYATA REYNOLDS BEHALF WHEN THEY SAW US BEING MISTREATED BY POLICE OFFICERS.
I AND OTHER BLACK PEOPLE WERE CALLED ALL MANNER OF RACIAL SLURS AT THE BLM PROTEST DOWN THE STREET WITH POLICE PRESENT.
AND NUN STEPPED IN THESE INCIDENCES, NOT ONLY SHOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED, BUT THEY HAVE CHANGED HOW I VIEW AND INTERACT WITH PUBLIC SAFETY.
I ALSO WANNA DRAW ATTENTION TO THE INCREASE IN PEOPLE ARRIVING TO OUR TOWN FROM OTHER COUNTRIES, FROM PLACES WHERE THEY'RE LEAVING IMMENSE PAIN AND HAVE HAD TRAUMATIC EXPERIENCES ON THEIR JOURNEY.
AFGHANISTAN, UKRAINE, HAITI, PALESTINE, ISRAEL, THE CONGO, MEXICO, AND CENTRAL AMERICA TO NAME A FEW.
THE TIME HAS COME FOR US TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE CHANGING LANDSCAPE OF OUR TOWN AND INCREASE OUR CULTURAL PROFICIENCY AND TRAUMA-INFORMED PRACTICES.
ADDITIONALLY, IN MY PROFESSIONAL LIFE, I WORK WITH FOSTER AND UNHOUSED STUDENTS MOST HAVE UNIMAGINABLE TRAUMA THAT I HOPE IS RECOGNIZED BY ALL THAT THEY COME IN CONTACT WITH, INCLUDING POLICE OFFICERS.
RECENTLY, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DECLARED RACISM AS A PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS.
THE NAACP STATED THAT THIS DECLARATION IS NOT ONLY SOLELY THE RESPONSIBLE, THE RESPONSIBILITY OF PUBLIC HEALTH PRACTITIONERS.
IT IS THE WORK OF ALL COUNTY DEPARTMENTS TO UNPACK THE BARRIERS THAT HAVE KEPT THESE SYSTEMS IN PLACE.
AS I CONSIDER THE RACIAL AND ETHNIC DISPARITIES SEEN IN THE USE OF FORCE AS OUTLINED IN THE AUDITOR'S REPORT.
I ALSO ASK THAT THE COUNCIL USE AN EQUITY AND DISPARITY LENS WHEN CONSIDERING THE AUDITOR'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND I DO BELIEVE THAT DISPARITIES INDICATE BIAS.
I FIND IT ALARMING THAT COUNCIL MEMBER REBS IS DISCOUNTING THE RACIAL BIAS AND THEREFORE DISCOUNTING THE LIVED EXPERIENCES THAT PEOPLE OF COLOR, THE VERY PEOPLE YOU SAY YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM AND ENGAGE WITH.
AND THEN FOR THE AUDITOR TO SAY THAT HIGH CRIME AREAS IN THIS TOWN ARE ASSOCIATED WITH BLACK AND BROWN PEOPLE IS ALARMING.
SHOULD WE JUST ACCEPT THE DISPARITIES? SHOULD WE ALSO DISREGARD DISPARITIES IN MATERNAL DEATH RATES AND GRADUATION RATES? ARE WE SAYING BIPOC FOLKS HAVE A HIGHER PROPENSITY TO CRIME? IS THAT ON
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THE TABLE? HOW DOES THAT ALIGN WITH THE WORK THAT WE DID AS A COMMITTEE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.ELLEN OSLER TO BE FOLLOWED BY ZARA GARCIA.
I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD JUST TAKE A MINUTE TO TAKE THAT IN.
UM, I DO WANNA THANK YOU FOR APPOINTING THE INDEPENDENT POLICE AUDITOR.
UM, AND, AND THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING, THE AUDITOR FOR THE WORK YOU'RE DOING IN THE REPORT.
I WANNA LET THE AUDITOR KNOW, JUST IN CASE YOU DO NOT, UM, THAT THERE WAS NO ONE PRECIPITATING EVENT FOR THE CITY TO INITIATE, INITIATE CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT.
BUT, UM, AS THE MAYOR SAID, THIS WAS A PROCESS THAT WAS COMMUNITY DRIVEN.
AND IT WAS DRIVEN BY, BECAUSE THE LISTENING CIRCLES THAT COMMUNITY MEMBERS HELD, SHOWED CONCLUSIVELY THAT PEOPLE OF COLOR WERE HAVING VERY DIFFERENT EXPERIENCES THAN WHITE PEOPLE IN THEIR INTERACTIONS WITH POLICE.
THAT'S WHAT STARTED THIS PROCESS.
SO THERE WAS A, A, A PRECIPITATING FACTOR.
UM, UH, PEOPLE HAVE TALKED, BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORY GROUP THAT HAS NOT YET BEEN PUT INTO PLACE.
I UNDERSTAND THERE'S BEEN OBSTACLES AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IT'S KEY.
THE WHOLE POINT OF CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT IS TO INVOLVE THE COMMUNITY.
IT'S A PILLAR OF HOW YOU DO CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT.
AS THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION FOR CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS CONCLUDED, WITHOUT SUFFICIENT INVOLVEMENT OF THOSE MOST INTERESTED IN AND IMPACTED BY LOCAL ISSUES REGARDING LAW ENFORCEMENT, IT'S UNLIKELY THAT CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT WILL BE ABLE TO SUCCESSFULLY ACCOMPLISH ITS GOALS.
WE WANT THOSE GOALS ACCOMPLISHED.
ONE EXAMPLE WHERE THE COMMUNITY VOICE WAS ABSOLUTELY MISSING IT IN YOUR REPORT, IN THE ORDER'S REPORT, WAS PROVIDING THIS ETHNIC BREAKDOWN OF THE PEOPLE THE POLICE USED OR SHOWED FORCE AGAINST WITHOUT CONSIDERING CITY DEMOGRAPHICS.
I HEARD WHAT YOU SAID, UM, A COUNCIL MEMBER SHRIVES, BUT REALLY PETALUMA IS 75% WHITE.
YET POLICE USED OR SHOWED FORCE AGAINST MORE NON-WHITE PEOPLE THAN WHITE PEOPLE DURING THE REPORTING PERIOD.
IS THERE GOING TO BE ANY FOLLOW UP TO DETERMINE WHAT IS DRIVING THIS DISPARITY AND WHAT NEEDS TO CHANGE SO THAT PEOPLE OF COLOR ARE NOT TWICE AS LIKELY TO EXPERIENCE THE USE OR SHOW A FORCE? PERHAPS THESE QUESTIONS CAN BE ADDRESSED IN THE ADDENDUM.
UM, I'M NOT EVEN SURE THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS, BUT THE, UH, AUDITOR NOTED IN ITS REPORT THAT 5,803 OF THE 61,753 CALLS FOR SERVICE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT RECEIVED, UM, ONLY IT WAS 5 5800 LED TO A POLICE REPORT.
IS IT SIGNIFICANT OR NOTEWORTHY THAT ONLY 10% OF CALLS LED TO A POLICE REPORT? 90% DID NOT MERIT ANY ADDITIONAL MENTION FINALLY, ABOUT THE BODY-WORN CAMERA POLICY, POLICY 4 49 AMENDED IN OCTOBER WITH AUDITOR'S INPUT.
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT STILL USES THE WORD SHOULD, RATHER THAN SHALL LANGUAGE AS TO WHEN OFFICERS ACTIVATE THE RECORDERS IN THE SPECIFIC C CIRCUMSTANCES THAT THE RECORDERS MUST BE ACTIVATED.
AND ALSO WHEN THE RECORDER IS TURNED OFF ON THE REQUEST FROM A MEMBER OF A PUBLIC.
I'M A FORMER LOCAL GOVERNMENT ATTORNEY, AND I KNOW IN DISCERNING THE INTENT OF POLICIES AND LEGISLATION, IF DIFFERENT WORDS ARE USED IN THE SAME, UM, IN THE SAME UH, UH, PASSAGE, COURTS WILL ASSUME DIFFERENT MEANINGS ARE INTENDED.
I HOPE THE COUNCIL REQUIRES THE LANGUAGE BE CHANGED TO SHALL IN THE INSTANCES.
ZARA GARCIA TO BE FOLLOWED BY JOHN O'BRIEN.
SO I JUST HOPE THAT COUNCIL MEMBER REBS, I WANNA POINT OUT THAT THE AUDITOR'S ENTIRE TEAM IS MADE OF FORMER LAW ENFORCEMENT PROFESSIONS, WHICH IS PROBABLY WHY THIS REPORT IS VAGUE AND AVOIDS USING DIRECT LANGUAGE.
AND WHY IPA DEFINES A STAKEHOLDER'S ENGAGEMENT AS ONLY THOSE IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SUPERVISING THE PD OR REPRESENTING EMPLOYEE UNIONS.
THERE WERE NO RECOMMENDATIONS TO PPDS POLICY ON MILITARY EQUIPMENT.
RED FLAG PPD SHOULD TAKE A LOOK AT SANTA ROSA'S PDS, UH, BODY WORN CAMERA POLICY.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS BECAUSE THIS IS NOT JUST A HOT TOPIC.
IT'S A LIVED EXPERIENCE IPA CLEARLY DOESN'T WANT TO ADDRESS.
THE POLICY SHOULD SPECIFY THAT ITS OFFICER SHALL ACTIVATE THE RECORDER UPON CONTACT WITH A COMMUNITY MEMBER REGARDLESS OF THE REASON.
IF CONTACT IS ANTICIPATED, IT SHOULD BE ACTIVATED BEFORE CONTACT.
IF THE CAMERA IS NOT ACTIVATED, THE OFFICER SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE AN EXPLANATION
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OF THE FAILURE.THE DEPARTMENT SHOULD BE VERY CLEAR THAT FAILURE TO ACTIVATE HIS GROUNDS FOR SIGNIFICANT, THAT THERE IS SIGNIFICANT DISCIPLINARY CONSEQUENCES, UH, ABSENT A VALID JURISDICTION.
THE RECOMMENDATION, SO IT STILL GIVES THE OFFICERS DISCRETION, AND THAT'S STILL A, A RED FLAG.
WHERE IN THE REPORT DOES IT REQUIRE AN OFFICER TO PROVIDE ANY EXPLANATION FOR WHEN AN OFFICER FAILS TO FOLLOW A PROTOCOL OR LIST ANY DISCIPLINARY ACTION? THAT'S A RED FLAG.
THE RE THE RECOMMENDATION FOR BIAS TRAINING SHOULD BE A TOP PRIORITY BECAUSE WE HAVE SEEN TIME AND TIME AGAIN, AS JOANNA POINTED OUT, WHERE PPD DOES NOT KNOW HOW TO TREAT AND OR RESPOND WHEN SOMEONE WHO IS QT BIPOC IS INVOLVED AND NOT TAKE OUR INCIDENT SERIOUSLY.
WE DON'T NEED APOLOGIES FROM YOU OR PPD.
WE NEED YOU TO SEE US AS PEOPLE WHO ARE IN PAIN AND WHO ARE CAPABLE OF NEEDING URGENT SUPPORT.
WHERE IN THIS REPORT DOES IT PROVIDE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS ON FREQUENCY OF BIAS TRAINING? THIS REPORT DOES NOT LIST CONCRETE STEPS OR HAS LAID OUT PLANS IN WORKING TOWARDS A FAIR SYSTEM.
THE ANSWER IS PRETTY CLEAR TO ME THAT THIS REPORT IS BASING IT ON THE AUDITOR'S WORK PROFESSION, NOT THE REALITY OF LIVED EXPERIENCES.
FOR FOLKS LIKE MYSELF WHO AREN'T IN UNIFORM AND UNDERSTAND RACIAL BIAS, POLICE BRUTALITY, AND SYSTEMIC RACISM, CAN THE AUDITORS SAY THE SAME PSAG SHOULD HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED BY SEPTEMBER OF 2023? AND YOU ALL CONTINUE TO KICK THE CAN.
PSAG SHOULD BE MORE THAN JUST AN ADVISORY BOARD.
IT NEEDS TO HAVE POWER TO IMPLEMENT POLICIES, NOT JUST RECOMMENDATIONS.
DON'T MAKE THIS ANOTHER PERFORMATIVE INITIATIVE.
WE CANNOT SOLELY TRUST THIS REPORT.
AND IT'S REALLY A SHAME, BUT NOT SURPRISING WHY YOU ALL DECIDED TO HIRE THIS AUDITOR INSTEAD OF ITS COMPETITOR.
THANK YOU JOHN O'BRIEN, TO BE FOLLOWED BY SANDRA SHAN.
HI, I'M, UH, AN 86-YEAR-OLD MILITARY VETERAN NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT THE TRAINING OF THE OFFICER MIGHT, UM, NOT, THE OFFICER MIGHT NOT UNDERSTAND HE'S BEEN MOVED FROM A CIVILIAN INTO THE MILITARY.
IF THE PEOPLE FACING YOU ARE A MILITARY INCURSION, CONGRESS WROTE UCMJ.
IF YOU'RE PART OF A, AN INVADING FORCE INTERNATIONAL ROLE, MAYBE 167 COUNTRIES OF INTERNATIONAL ENGAGEMENT OCCUR HERE.
WHEN SOMEBODY COMES IN AND INVADES, IF THEY DON'T HAVE NAME, RANK, AND SERIAL NUMBER, THEY'RE TO BE EXECUTED ON THE SPOT.
'CAUSE THEY'RE EITHER A SPY OR A SABOTEUR.
IF YOU HAVE A FLOOD OF THEM COME IN.
IF SOMEBODY COMES IN AS A, AS A, AS AN INVASION, THE THE RECOMMENDED FIRST RESISTOR WOULD BE THE MILITIA, WHICH NOW IS THE NATIONAL GUARD.
BUT CONGRESS WROTE, AND IT'S TRUE UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW, UNTIL THE MILITIA GETS THERE, THE LOCAL POLICE AND THE LOCAL CITIZENS ARE THE FIRST RESPONDER.
AND WHEN YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF U UNIFORMS AND IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE ARMED, IF AN 18-YEAR-OLD NATIONAL GUARDSMAN SHOOTS THAT PERSON AND SHOOTS ALL OF 'EM, OR ONE, HE CAN INSIST ON BEING HEARD UNDER UCMJ 'CAUSE THE WHOLE WORLD FLIPS UPSIDE DOWN THE VIDEOS FROM PORTLAND, OREGON.
MIGHT THE I, THIS LOCAL POLICEMAN IS TRAINED ONE WAY, AS LONG AS HE KNOWS ALSO THAT HE MAY BE A FIRST RESPONDER TO AN INCURSION AND MAY BE REQUIRED TO SHOOT EVERYBODY AND TELL, AND HE CAN OFFER MERCY WHEN THEY LAY DOWN THEIR WEAPON AND LIE DOWN.
BUT THE VIDEOS FROM PORTLAND, OREGON SHOW ANYBODY PROBABLY PROUD BOYS AND WOLVERINE WATCHDOGS AND OATH TAKERS, BECAUSE I'M WRITING TO OREGON AND I'VE BEEN WRITING TO OREGON.
BUT BASICALLY THE SITUATION IN OREGON, IF A LOCAL POLICEMAN SAYS, WELL, I CAN'T DO THAT.
'CAUSE THERE IS CIVILIAN, WHEN, WHEN THEY'RE ALL WEARING THINGS THAT LOOK LIKE UNIFORMS WITH MILITARY GEAR, THE POLICEMAN IS IN A DIFFERENT WORLD THAT FLOPS TOTALLY OVER.
YOU HAVE TO SHOOT EVERYBODY IN THAT UNIFORM.
AND YOU ARE MOMENTARY UNTIL NATIONAL GUARD GETS THERE.
DOES THE LOCAL POLICE KNOW THAT THEY MIGHT BE MILITARY IN A HALF A SECOND AND HAVE TO FOLLOW A DIFFERENT SET OF RULES? THAT, AND I, I HAVE STUFF I CAN GIVE YOU THAT I WROTE TO OREGON REGARDING MILITARY CODE.
THERE'S PEOPLE THAT SPECIALIZE.
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IS OUR LAST SPEAKER OF THE EVENING.THIS REPORT AND THIS EFFORT IS ALL NEW TO ME TONIGHT, SO I HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO READ IT YET.
SO I PRESUME IT'S GOING TO BE MADE AVAILABLE.
AND, UM, AS A MEMBER OF SONOMA STATE'S ACADEMIC SENATE FOR QUITE A FEW YEARS, ONE OF MY ROLES WAS TO SERVE ON THE SENATE'S DIVERSITY SUBCOMMITTEE.
AND SO THIS IS A TOPIC I'M VERY INTERESTED IN.
AND AS A FORMER UNION STEWARD ON THE SONOMA STATE CAMPUS, THE STEWARDS USED TO GET TOGETHER.
SO I REMEMBER MEETINGS WITH THE STEWARDS OF ALL THE UNIONS, INCLUDING THE POLICE UNION.
AND SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS NOT AN EASY JOB TO DO.
WELL, AND I WANNA APPLAUD THIS EFFORT.
I WANNA APPLAUD THE PROGRESS THAT YOU HAVE MADE.
AND TO SAY THAT I HAVE NEVER BEEN ILL TREATED BY LOCAL OFFICERS.
I'VE ALWAYS BEEN TREATED WITH COURTESY, BUT THEN I'M NOT A TARGET GROUP.
SO I KNOW THAT WHILE THE POLICE HERE SERVE AGAINST THE BACKDROP OF A RACIST SOCIETY, YES, WE EXPECT YOU TO DO BETTER THAN THE AVERAGE CITIZEN MIGHT DO, TO WHOM MUCH POWER IS GIVEN, MUCH INTEGRITY IS REQUIRED.
AND SO I APPLAUD THIS BEGINNING OF THIS EFFORT.
AND I WANT TO SAY THAT TRAINING IS KEY.
REALLY SERIOUS, RESPECTFUL TRAINING FOR THE OFFICERS BECAUSE BIAS IS OFTEN UNCONSCIOUS AND NONE OF US WANTS TO BELIEVE WE HAVE BIAS IN, IN FACT, WE ALL DO.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING TO UNEARTH AND TO WORK AGAINST AND TO BE REAL ABOUT.
I WOULD SAY SOME OF THE ISSUES I HEARD RAISED HERE THIS EVENING FROM THE PUBLIC ARE VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
AND I THINK COMMUNITY FEEDBACK IS CRITICAL.
AND YOU HAVE SOME EXPERTS HERE.
AND THE EXPERTS IN THIS COMMUNITY ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE TARGETED.
AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT PETALUMA POLICE, BUT I CAN JUST TELL YOU FROM MY STUDENTS THAT DRIVING WHILE BLACK IS EPIDEMIC IN THE NORTH BAY, AND MY WHITE STUDENTS WERE RARELY STOPPED DRIVING IN THE NORTH BAY.
MY LATINO STUDENTS, FREQUENTLY FOR MY BLACK STUDENTS, IT WAS AN EPIDEMIC.
SOME OF THEM WERE STOPPED MORE THAN 20 TIMES IN THEIR FOUR YEARS, ALL FOR NOT DOING ANYTHING.
SO PLEASE KEEP HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
WE LEARN BEST BY HAVING DAILY INTERACTION WITH FOLKS WHO ARE DIFFERENT THAN US.
AND IF YOU DON'T DO OUTREACH, PEOPLE OF COLOR WON'T APPLY.
AND THAT CLOSES OUR PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD FOR THE NIGHT.
UH, I'D LIKE TO BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR COMMENTS.
UM, COUNCIL MEMBER BARNELL, THANK YOU.
UM, I, UM, APPLAUD THE, THE EFFORT AND I, UM, APPRECIATE THE WORK OF OUR OFFICERS AND APPRECIATE THE, THE FOCUS ON CONTINUAL IMPROVEMENT.
UM, I'M GONNA KEEP MY, MY COMMENTS REALLY FOCUSED ON THE REPORT ITSELF.
UM, 'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT.
UM, I DO AGREE THAT BODY, THE BODY WOR CAMERA SHOULD BE MANDATORY.
UM, IN GENERAL, UM, THE REPORT WAS JUST LACKING ANALYSIS FOR ME.
THERE'S, UM, THE STATEMENTS OF, YOU KNOW, THIS, WE HAD THIS MANY INSTANCES AND THIS MANY RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ONLY LIKE TABLE THAT I SAW IN THERE WAS THE, THE RACIAL BREAKDOWN OF USE OF FORCE.
AND THEN THERE WAS NO RELEVANCE TO THAT.
AND SO, UM, INSTANTLY WE CAN JUMP TO THERE'S A RACIAL BIAS.
AND YOU GAVE SOME EXAMPLES OF WHY THAT MIGHT BE.
UM, BUT THEN I STARTED THINKING, WELL, YOU KNOW, THEN WE HEARD THERE'S A LOT OF NEWER OFFICES, RIGHT? DID WE SEE, UM, A MORE TRENDS OF WITH, YOU KNOW, INSTANCES OF RECOMMENDATIONS AMONG THE NEWER OFFICERS? I WANT TO HAVE ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS.
UM, I WANT TO KNOW, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, IS THERE CERTAIN AGES THAT ARE MORE TARGETED? YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU MENTIONED WE'RE NOT GONNA SEE THAT MANY FROM CHILDREN.
UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING ELSE, LIKE MAYBE THERE'S A LANGUAGE BARRIER, RIGHT? IF YOU SAY PUT YOUR HANDS UP AND SOMEBODY DOESN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, MAYBE THAT'S
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A REASON WHY THERE'S A SHOW OF FORCE.UM, BUT I WANNA SEE MORE ANALYSIS JUST IN GENERAL IN THE REPORT, UM, BECAUSE, UM, DISPARITIES ARE THERE AND, UM, PART OF THIS IS TRYING TO UNEARTH AND TELL THE STORY OF THOSE, THERE'S LIKE, A LOT OF THE INCIDENT ANALYSIS IS REALLY IMPRESSIVE.
WHAT YOU JUST, WHAT YOU DESCRIBED INTERIM CHIEF WAS, UM, VERY IMPRESSIVE.
UM, BUT THE, THE SORT OF META-ANALYSIS OF LIKE, HERE'S WHAT WE SAW IN THE TRENDS OR IN THE DATA AND HERE'S WHAT IT MEANS.
UM, I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THE REPORT.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THE, THERE WAS MORE TABLES IN YOUR SLIDES THAN THERE WERE IN THE REPORT.
I THINK WE WANT TO SEE MORE ANALYSIS IN THE REPORT GOING FORWARD.
UM, UH, I, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
UM, NOT, NOT JUST THE ONES HERE, BUT THE WRITTEN PUBLIC COMMENTS, UM, WERE, YOU KNOW, IN MY OPINION, VERY, UM, VERY THOUGHTFUL.
I'D LIKE TO SEE, UM, ADDRESSING OF THOSE IN PARTICULAR.
LIKE, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS, UM, MR. LELAND POINTED OUT IN ONE OF HIS WRITTEN PUBLIC COMMENT, THE A DA ISSUES ON THE, UM, ON THE WEBSITE.
LIKE THOSE ARE THINGS THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED, UM, I THINK PRETTY, PRETTY QUICKLY AND EASILY.
I THINK, UM, UH, I, I UNDERSTAND WHY THE P SEGS GOTTEN PUSHED OUT.
I MEAN, THERE'S BEEN NO SHORTAGE OF THINGS WITH STAFF
I MEAN, LOSING THE CHIEF, UM, YOU KNOW, OR HIM RETIRING, NOT LOSING HIM, BUT HIM RETIRING.
AND THEN ALL THE STUFF WE'VE GONE THROUGH WITH THE FAIRGROUNDS AND THINGS, THERE'S NO, THERE'S 10 DIFFERENT REASONS WHY THAT GOT PUSHED OUT.
UM, BUT JUST IN GENERAL, I THINK, UM, THE REPORT NEEDS TO HAVE A LOT MORE ANALYSIS, UM, BECAUSE IT'S NOT TELLING US, UM, THE STORY THAT I'M SURE THAT YOU AND YOUR WEEKLY MEETINGS HAVE HAD, UM, AND THAT WE WANT.
SO, UM, AND WITH THAT, I JUST WANT TO AGAIN, APPLAUD PPD FOR LIKE, UM, UNDERTAKING THIS PROCESS.
REALLY JUST WORKING, YOU KNOW, UM, SO THOUGHTFULLY TO EVERYBODY.
I THINK, UM, LIKE YOU SAID THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE MAKING YOURSELVES VULNERABLE.
UM, YOU KNOW WHAT COUNCIL MEMBERSHIP SAID, IF I HAD TO WEAR A CAMERA, YOU KNOW, AND HAVE MYSELF UNDER A MICROSCOPE, IT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT SAYS A LOT THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE DOING IT AND YOU'RE DOING IT WITH SUCH GRACE AND, UM, AND PROFESSIONALISM.
AND, UM, I KNOW THIS IS JUST THE START OF IT, AND WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO IMPROVE.
SO I'M REALLY, I'M PROUD OF YOU.
THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON.
UM, I, YOU KNOW, SUPPORT WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE STATED, BUT I DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO, I THINK LANGUAGE REALLY MATTERS.
AND JUST LIKE IN THE GENERAL PLAN PROCESS, SHALL WE DO SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, AND IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE.
AND I THINK WE SHOULD, UM, UM, ADD THAT WE SHALL AS FAR AS CAMERAS AND EVALUATE THAT BECAUSE LANGUAGE MAKES A, MAKES A DIFFERENCE.
IT SAYS ONE THING OR THE OTHER.
IF YOU GO TO COURT, IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
UM, UM, AS FAR AS THE LACK OF ANALYSIS, I, I AGREE WITH THAT.
UM, THE PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WE GOT WERE WELL THOUGHT OUT, AND I WOULD LIKE THOSE TO BE ADDRESSED, UM, UM, IN THE REPORT.
AND WE DO NEED TO HAVE AN THERE AND FEDERALISM IS PRETTY WHITE.
AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SEE A DISPARITY IN WHO'S PULLED OVER, I MEAN, THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S REAL.
AND I THINK THAT, UM, BIAS IS REAL, AND WE'RE ALL BIAS IN OUR OWN WAYS, AND WE JUST DON'T REALIZE IT.
BUT WHEN YOU'RE A PERSON OF COLOR, I WAS JUST TALKING YESTERDAY WITH, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU HAVE A BLACK CHILD.
I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO TALK, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU DRIVE, WHAT DO YOU DO? AND THAT'S HAPPENING IN 2024, AND IT SHOULD NOT HAPPEN.
UM, AS FAR AS, UM, TRAUMA FORCE TRAINING, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT FEELING THE TRAUMA THAT SOMEBODY ELSE IS FEELING.
AND ESPECIALLY A PERSON OF COLOR, IT'S VERY, VERY DIFFERENT.
UM, OTHER COMMENTS? UM, I MEAN, WITH, YOU KNOW, TRAINING, WITH, YOU KNOW, BIAS TRAINING.
I MEAN, HOW OFTEN DOES THAT, IS IT MANDATED EVERY YEAR? YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE TRAINING? I KNOW, YOU KNOW, I HAD TO DO MY LICENSE EVERY TWO YEARS WHEN I WAS PRACTICING DENTAL HYGIENE.
AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU REVIEW AND REFRESH, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU LEARNED A YEAR OR TWO AGO.
IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO, UM, HAVE THAT NOT A REFRESHER COURSE.
YOU REALLY NEED TO UNDERSTAND IT AND, YOU KNOW, TRY AND GET, YOU KNOW, PAST
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THAT.AND LIKE, YOU KNOW, ELLEN OSLER SAID, UM, THE CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT.
I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT, THAT AND SEEING HOW WE'RE GONNA REALLY SET IT UP AND WHO'S GONNA BE ON THAT COMMITTEE, UM, TO MAKE IT SUCCESSFUL.
UM, AND THE ETHNIC BREAKDOWN, I THINK IT'S, IM, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE RECOGNIZE, UM, UH, THIS TOWN IS GETTING MORE DIVERSE, BUT VERY, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBERS ARE SMALL.
YOU KNOW, WHEN THE BLACK COMMUNITY IS WHAT ONE POINT SOME ODD PERCENT, AND YET THEY GET PULLED OVER MORE, WHERE'S THE INFORMATION? SO WE CAN BREAK THAT CYCLE.
UM, AND THAT IS IT FOR RIGHT NOW.
BUT THE ONE THING THAT ERIC LELAND DID MENTION JUST ABOUT, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, THE AB FOR HATE CRIMES, HOW ARE WE GONNA REALLY ADDRESS THAT? BECAUSE HATE CRIMES ARE NOT GOING AWAY, AND THEY SEEM TO BE RISING.
AND I KNOW, UM, THAT DEPARTMENT HAS DONE AS FOLLOWED THROUGH.
UM, BUT I THINK WE JUST NEED TO RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS REAL AND THAT IT NEEDS TO BE PART OF ANY PROGRAM TO BE ADDRESSING HATE CRIMES.
AND, YOU KNOW, THAT GOES INTO OUR SCHOOLS.
'CAUSE IT STARTS AT HOME, I MEAN, NORMALLY.
UM, AND I AM CURIOUS HOW THE DISPATCHERS DETERMINE IF THE SAFE TEAM IS DISPATCHED.
I'VE HAD, I'VE HAD INTERACTIONS WITH THE, UM, THE PD ON THIS, AND I HAVE NO COMPLAINTS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW THAT PROCESS IS.
YOU KNOW, SO IF SOMEBODY DOES NEED THE SAFE TEAM, WHEN ARE THEY DEPLOYED? AND WHAT, WHAT TRIGGERS THAT, YOU KNOW, IN THE DISCUSSION OR, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING TO A DISPATCHER.
UM, AND THEN, THEN IT'S THE AB 2, 2 82.
UM, THE EXPAND EXPANDS THE DEFINITION OF HATE SYMBOLS, YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS IMPORTANT TO READ, UM, BECAUSE OF HATE CRIMES GOING UP.
SO I THINK THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD THEM AS MY COMMENTS SO THAT THEY ARE ADDRESSED.
UH, THANK YOU FOR THE COMMENTS.
UM, I JUST WANNA REFER TO, UM, THE STATEMENT I MADE WAS NOT IMPLYING THAT THERE WASN'T ANY BIAS.
I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS, HAS BEEN, AND STILL IS, LOTS OF BIAS GOING ON.
UM, I JUST DON'T WANNA MAKE ASSUMPTIONS ON EVERY CASE.
WHAT I WANNA DO IS INVESTIGATE AND FIND CAUSATION.
AND IF THERE IS BIAS, THEN WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING VERY STRONGLY IN EACH INDIVIDUAL CASE ABOUT THAT.
BUT THAT NEEDS TO BE INVESTIGATED, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I FULLY SUPPORT THE CITIZEN COMMITTEE OVERVIEWING.
EVEN THE AUDITORS AS WELL AS THE, THE POLICE.
SO IF THERE IS ANY INDICATION THAT A BIAS WAS, UM, IMPLIED OR, OR WAS PART OF THAT INCIDENT, THAT, YEAH, THERE SHOULD BE LOTS OF REPERCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT.
SO YEAH, WE NEED TO WEED THAT OUT ENTIRELY.
I JUST, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO BE MORE OPEN, UH, TO ABOUT POSSIBLE CAUSATION, WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND THAT'S WHY I WAS ALSO REFERRING TO, UM, THE INCIDENT, THE 360 FOR, TO FIND OUT IS THERE OTHER PARTS OF THE STORY FROM EITHER THE OFFICER PART OR THE, UM, THE INCIDENT OF PEOPLE INVOLVED.
IS THERE OTHER THINGS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN HAPPENING THAT COULD HAVE CAUSED SOME, SOME OF THESE THINGS TO GOING ON? SO I WAS LOOKING AT, TO FINDING OUT BIAS.
SOMETIMES IT'S NOT JUST LOOKING AT THAT PARTICULAR INCIDENT, THERE'S OTHER THINGS MAY BE GOING ON THAT THAT BIAS WAS INVOLVED AND THAT NEEDS TO BE INVESTIGATED.
SO I'M TRYING TO GET TO THE POINT OF, UM, LET'S REALLY LOOK AT THAT.
LET'S FIND THE CAUSATION, LET'S FIND OUT WHAT REALLY WAS GOING ON AND, UM, AND, AND TAKE THE APPROPRIATE ACTIONS TO MAKE THE RIGHT RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M, I'M, I'M CLEAR ON THAT PART.
UM, BUT I, I WANT THE ADDENDUMS TO, TO COME IN THE REPORTS.
UM, THERE WAS A COUPLE, UH, LETTERS THAT CAME IN WITH, WITH WHICH WERE NOT READ OR, OR GONE OVER.
SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT AS JUST ADDED TO THE REPORT.
IT SAYS, THIS IS PUBLIC COMMENT AS WELL AS WHAT WAS STATED HERE.
UM, COUNCIL MEMBER PELKE, ANYTHING TO ADD? UH, THANKS.
I JUST ADD MY, UH, UM, VOICE TO THE, UH, UM, THOSE WHO ARE CALLING TO, UH, UM, TAKE, UM, A CLOSE LOOK AT THE PUBLIC COMMENTS WE'VE HAD TONIGHT AND IN RELATION TO IMPROVING THIS REPORT.
AND, UM, I, I DO WANNA NOTE OUR, UH, WE WILL BE POSTING THIS, UM, PRESENTATION TONIGHT ON THE WEBSITE AS A DOC.
AND, UM, AND THEN ALSO TO NOTE THAT OUR SAFE TEAM IS THE ONLY 24 7 AVAILABLE, AND,
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UH, NOT, UM, HAVING SOME, NOT HAVING LAW ENFORCEMENT ON THE VEHICLE TO MAKE, UH, FIRST CONTACT, THOSE ARE REALLY GOOD DISTINCTIONS IN THE PROGRAM THAT PETALUMA AND, AND THE SAFE TEAM BROADLY, UM, COMPARED TO OUR NEIGHBORS.AND THEN, UM, NOTING OUR NEIGHBORS.
UM, I APPRECIATE THAT OUR PROGRAM IS, UH, A ABOVE ALL, UH, IN QUALITY OVER OUR PEERS, UH, APPEARS AS CITIES OR PEERS AS POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S AT THE LEVEL THAT IMPACTED PARTIES, UM, KNOW IT NEEDS TO BE.
AND SO WE HAVE, I MEAN, WE MAY HAVE THE BEST, BUT IT'S CRITICAL THAT WE, WE GET CRITIQUED AND, AND, UM, EVOLVE AND IMPROVE THE PROGRAM.
AND I APPRECIATE THE OPENNESS OF BOTH THE AUDITOR AND THE DEPARTMENT TO SAY THAT'S IN FACT WHAT WE'RE DOING.
AND, AND, UH, CLEARLY THE, UM,
UM, THERE CAN'T BE ANY DOUBT THAT, UM, SYSTEMIC RACISM AND BIAS IS BUILT INTO OUR SYSTEMS, RIGHT? IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST THERE AND IT'S A THING WE NEED TO ADDRESS CONSTANTLY.
I APPRECIATE THE CITY'S DEI EFFORTS AND, AND CONTINUING DII EFFORTS, AND I DON'T THINK WE CAN SLACK ON ANY OF THAT.
AND I, AND I THINK WE ARE NOT, AND WE'RE DOING WELL AT TRYING TO ACHIEVE BETTER, UH, CONSTANTLY TRYING TO ACHIEVE BETTER.
UM, AND, AND I THINK THE CRITICISM WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT, UH, THE CRITIQUE WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT OF THIS, UH, WILL HELP MAKE OUR NEXT ANNUAL, UH, EVEN BETTER.
AND OUR NEXT ANNUAL WILL HAVE THIS, THE ADVISORY GROUP INPUT ON IT.
UH, SO I THINK WE'RE TAKING STEPS IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
WE WERE ASKED TONIGHT TO RECEIVE A REPORT, AND I THINK WE'VE RECEIVED AND HEARD AND AND COMMENTED ON THIS, AND AS, AS THE PUBLIC AND GOD'S INPUT.
AND I'M HOPING THAT'S STRONG DIRECTION TO STAFF AS TO WHAT THE SENTIMENT OF, UH, PETALUMA IS.
ANECDOTALLY, IF YOU COME TO WORK IN PETALUMA, YOU'RE GONNA GET MORE CITIZEN INPUT THAN YOU DO IN ANY OTHER TOWN.
AND SO GET READY, 'CAUSE, UH, COUNCIL TAKES A CITIZEN INPUT.
UH, GREAT PRESENTATION, UH, AND, UH, WE APPRECIATE ALL YOUR WORK.
WE'LL NOW MOVE TO OUR NEXT ITEM, AND OUR NEXT ITEM IS A RESOLUTION APPROVING INTEGRATED PEST MANAGEMENT POLICY FOR CITY EMPLOYEES, CONTRACTORS, AND LEASES TO HELP US THROUGH THIS ITEM AS OUR, UM, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION, DREW HALTER, AND THE ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER, PATRICK CARTER.
I THINK WE'LL TAKE A DEEP BREATH AND, UM, ALLOW THE ROOM TO CLEAR A LITTLE OF, UM, THOSE NOT HAVING INTEREST IN THIS, AND THEN BEGIN OUR FOCUS ON THIS ITEM.
COUNCIL MEMBERS AND, UH, MEMBERS OF OUR AMAZING CITY STAFF, UM, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, OUR COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE FOR TONIGHT FOR THIS IMPORTANT DISCUSSION ON THE INTEGRATED PEST MANAGEMENT PLAN.
ONE OF THE COUNCIL'S TOP GOALS FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW.
UM, SO THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT IS THE CULMINATION OF, UH, A LOT OF OTHER, UM, MEETINGS THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE TO GET TO THIS POINT.
SO, UH, A LOT OF MEETINGS WITH THE COMMUNITY, UM, MEETINGS WITH OUR OTHER COMMITTEES, OUR COMMISSIONS, THE RECREATION, MUSIC AND PARKS COMMISSION, UM, AND FIELD TRIPS ALL AROUND, UH, THE CITY TO HELP OUR, OUR, UM, COMMISSION MEMBERS UNDERSTAND OUR PROCESSES IN GETTING THAT GOOD FEEDBACK TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT.
SO TONIGHT, UH, WE GET TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE GOT TO THIS, UM, POLICY THAT'S BEING PRESENTED, THIS RESOLUTION, UH, FOR THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER.
AND, UM, ALL THAT BACKGROUND, UM, WHAT THE, THE PROGRAM WOULD LOOK LIKE GOING FORWARD, IF IT'S ADOPTED BY COUNCIL.
AND, UH, YEAH, WE'LL GET RIGHT INTO IT.
SO, INTEGRATED, UH, PEST MANAGEMENT IS A REALLY A, A SYSTEM OF, UM, LOOKING AT PREVENTATIVE MEASURES, UM, USING BIOLOGICAL CONTROLS, UM, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE PROTECTING OUR ENVIRONMENT, MINIMIZING THE RISK, UM, TO OUR, UM, BOTH OUR EMPLOYEES AND TO MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE ENJOYING OUR, OUR PUBLIC SPACES AND LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN USE, UM, THOSE PESTICIDES, WHICH ARE
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USUALLY THE LAST RESULT, THE LAST RESORT, UM, HOW WE GET TO THAT AND HOW WE NOTIFY THAT IT'S HAPPENING.BUT REALLY AT ITS HEART, THIS PROGRAM IS ABOUT TRANSPARENCY.
SO, UM, HOW WE GOT THERE, I THINK I'M GONNA TURN THIS OVER TO OUR DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION, DREW HALTER, AND, UH, WALK THROUGH THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES.
UM, GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL, COMMUNITY STAFF.
IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE SPEND A FEW MINUTES JUST, UH, RECAPPING FOR YOU ALL.
UM, ESSENTIALLY THE FOUNDATION WHICH WE LEFT FROM AND WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
SO ESSENTIALLY, WE ARE OPERATING OFF OF THE CITY COUNCIL'S 1999 ADOPTED IPM POLICY.
THAT POLICY GENERALLY CALLS OUT THAT HERBICIDES ARE USED BY A LAST RESORT.
THERE'S A PROMOTION OF WEED AND MECHANICAL MEANS OF VEGETATION MANAGEMENT, UM, BUT DOESN'T GO INTO ANY EXPLICIT, UM, USES, UH, PROGRAMS, DETAILS, ET CETERA.
WE MOVE FORWARD FROM 1999 INTO A PERIOD OF, UH, 20 15 20 16, WHERE, UH, THE CITY OF PETALUMA AND THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT SPECIFICALLY CONDUCTED SOME VEGETATION TRIALS.
THEY WERE REALLY, UM, UH, ON THE FOREFRONT OF TAKING CURRENT PRACTICES AT THE TIME, TESTING OUT THE EFFICACY, UH, THE FINANCIAL IMPACTS OF, UM, FOR ESSENTIALLY COMMONLY USED, UH, HERBICIDES AT THE TIME.
UH, THREE WERE CERTIFIED FOR CERTIFIED ORGANIC, UH, ONE WAS NOT THAT PRODUCED.
UM, SOME REPORTS THAT WAS USED TO, UM, DISCUSS AMONG OUR COMMITTEES AND COMMISSIONS ABOUT THE PROS AND CONS OF ADAPTING, UM, THE CURRENT IPM IN 2016.
UH, IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE, UH, THAT IN FEBRUARY THE CITY PROHIBITED THE USE OF GLYPHOSATE AND MANDATED OURSELVES TO STOP USING GLY PHOSPHATE, UM, AT THAT TIME.
AND WHILE THE IPM WASN'T, UM, ULTIMATELY ADOPTED AT THAT TIME, WE'VE ESSENTIALLY BEEN OPERATING UNDER THE, UM, UH, MECHANICAL FIRST APPROACH SINCE, AND THE PROHIBITION AGAINST GLIO PHOSPHATE SINCE THEN.
THIS IPM UPDATE THEN MOVED TO 2021 WHEN IT BECAME CLEAR, UM, THROUGH, UH, RESEARCH GAINED ON THE TOPIC OF IPM AS WELL AS A CALL OUT FROM OUR COMMUNITY THAT, UM, IT WAS TIME TO REFRESH AND ADOPT A NEW POLICY TO, UH, REFLECT THE CURRENT PRACTICES, UH, AND THE, UM, LEADING PRACTICES THAT, UH, PETALUMA WAS DEMONSTRATING AT THE TIME.
SO THE 21 TO 2023 CITY COUNCIL GOALS AND OBJECTIVES CALLED OUT, UH, THE INTEGRATED PEST MANAGEMENT UPDATE AS A COUNCIL PRIORITY.
WE PARTNERED WITH CONSULTANTS AND SPENT THE GOOD YEAR OF 2022, UM, RESEARCHING CURRENT PRACTICES, UM, ANALYZING AND REVIEWING, UH, BENCHMARKING OTHER CITIES, IPMS, AND THEN SPENT 2023 ENGAGING COMMUNITY STAFF GOING TO MULTIPLE PUBLIC MEETINGS, UM, AND WORKING THROUGH THE IPM UPDATE.
AND THAT BRINGS US TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY, UM, WHICH IS PRESENTING IT TO YOU.
AND MOVING FORWARD, BEFORE WE GO INTO THE PROGRAM AND POLICY DETAILS, CURRENT PRACTICES, UH, HAVE COME A LONG WAY, UH, BUT ESSENTIALLY, UH, LARGELY RE UH, LARGELY HINGE ON MECHANICAL MEANS OF ABATEMENT.
AND WE'RE ALSO DOING SOME PILOTING, SOME REALLY, UM, STUFF THAT WE SHOULD BE PROUD OF.
UH, THE CITY HAS, UM, INCREASED OUR, OUR GRAZING IN OUR URBAN AREAS AS ONE EXAMPLE.
UM, WE'RE ALSO, YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL SUPPORTS SOME RECENT EQUIPMENT PURCHASES, UH, THAT ARE GONNA ALLOW US TO REALLY DOUBLE DOWN ON SOME OF OUR REGENERATIVE TURF MAINTENANCE PROGRAMS, UM, INCREASE OUR MULCHING CAPABILITIES, AND YOU'VE HEARD FROM, UH, MANY OVER THE LAST, UM, YEAR OR TWO.
AND FROM THE TONITE, OUR VOLUNTEER EFFORTS WITH GROUPS LIKE RELIEF, UM, REBUILDING TOGETHER, UH, AS REALLY STRONG.
AND SO WHEN WE HAVE VOLUNTEER EFFORTS AND PARK CLEANUPS, UH, IT'S SOMETHING THAT PETALUMA IS REALLY, UM, FORTUNATE TO HAVE.
BUT WE ALSO WANTED TO CALL OUT THAT WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT DESIGN STANDARDS, WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT, UM, BUILDING FENCES IN PARKS, UM, REPLACING PATHWAYS THAT ARE, UM, ING INTO, UM, AREAS WITH WEAKER GROWTH, WE ARE LOOKING AT THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS AND PRIORITIZING THINGS BASED ON, UM, VEGETATION MANAGEMENT, UH, PEST MANAGEMENT, UM, KNOWING THAT WE ARE MOVING TOWARDS A, A MECHANICAL MEANS OF, OF VEGETATION MANAGEMENT.
UH, AND THEN AS A LAST RESORT, WE ARE, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE ALWAYS OPEN TO TEST, TRY AND ORGANIC PESTICIDES USES AS WELL.
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BACK TO ME.UM, SO IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS, UH, POLICY, UM, WE HAD TO TAKE A LOT OF THINGS INTO ACCOUNT.
UM, A ONE SIZE FITS ALL APPROACH WOULDN'T ALWAYS WORK FOR EVERY CIRCUMSTANCE IN EVERY LOCATION.
SO THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PARKS, WE HAVE STREETS, WE HAVE FACILITIES, UM, WE HAVE GOLF COURSE, UM, AS, AS ONE OF OUR LEASES, UM, CITY OWNED.
AND SO WE NEEDED TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES OF THOSE LOCATIONS IN DEVELOPING THIS POLICY.
UM, LOOKING AT OUR, OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AS IT'S AGING, UM, AND SAFETY IS THE FOUNDATION OF ALL OF OUR POLICIES, MAKING SURE THAT BOTH OUR EMPLOYEES AND OUR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC USING OUR FACILITIES ARE BEING KEPT SAFE.
UM, THE SWITCH TO IPM INTEGRATED PEST MANAGEMENT, SORRY ABOUT THE INITIALS, UM, INVOLVED A LOT OF MANUAL LABOR.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF MECHANICAL CUTTING AS, AS DREW MENTIONED OF, OF THE WEEDS.
UM, AND EXCLUDING, EXCLUDING THE PESTS, UM, FROM, UH, OUR FACILITIES.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE SAFETY OF OUR WORKERS WHEN THEY'RE DOING THAT LABOR AS WELL, THE COSTS, UM, OF DOING THAT LABOR.
SO THERE'S THAT, THAT FINE BALANCE BETWEEN THE, UM, THE LABOR AND THE LEVEL OF SERVICE IF YOU HAVE A FINITE AMOUNT OF, UM, LABOR RESOURCE AVAILABLE TO DO THE WORK THAT NEEDS TO GET DONE UNDER THIS POLICY.
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, UH, UH, EVER-GROWING, UM, LIST OF, OF NEEDS TO DO IN, IN OUR, OUR PARKS AND HAVING TO PRIORITIZE, UM, THAT PEST MANAGEMENT.
UM, IT'S, IT'S A TRICKY BALANCE TO, TO MANAGE THAT COST AS WELL.
AND THEN LOOKING FORWARD TO THE FUTURE, WE, WE KNOW THAT IT'S GONNA CHANGE.
WE KNOW THAT, THAT, UM, CLIMATE CHANGE IS HAPPENING NOW AND THAT IT'S GOING TO HAVE UNPREDICTABLE RESULTS IN THE FUTURE.
AND SO HOW DO WE ADAPT TO THOSE CHANGES? HOW DO WE GET A POLICY THAT'S RELEVANT NOW? UM, AND IT'S FLEXIBLE ENOUGH TO BE ADAPTED IN THE FUTURE TO ADDRESS OUR, OUR GROWING CHANGES.
SO THIS IS VERY
BUT WE HEARD VERY EARLY ON THAT THERE WAS AN INTEREST FROM OUR COMMUNITY IN HAVING AN ORGANIC ONLY APPROACH TO, UM, PESTICIDE USE IN THE CITY.
AND THAT'S ONLY AT, UH, LAST RESORT.
UM, SO NO SYNTHETIC PESTICIDES WAS THE, UH, A MAJOR THEME OF OUR INITIAL FEEDBACK.
UH, THEY ASKED US TO LOOK AT OTHER MODELS.
SO WE LOOKED AT THE CITY OF IRVINE, WE LOOKED AT THE TOWN OF WINDSOR.
UM, WE LOOKED AT, UH, CITY OF SAN F CITY AND COUNTY OF SAN FRANCISCO.
A LOT OF OTHER MODELS OUT THERE.
A LOT OF OTHER CITIES AND AND COUNTIES HAVE HAVE LOOKED AT THIS AND TRYING TO PICK THE RIGHT ELEMENTS OF THOSE MODELS THAT WORK FOR US IN PETALUMA, THAT OUR PETALUMA SPIN ON IT.
WE HEARD, UH, CONCERNS FROM THE GOLF COURSE, UM, ABOUT THE, UH, APPLICABILITY OF THIS POLICY TO THEIR BUSINESS.
AND, UH, A LOT OF SPECIFIC CONCERNS ABOUT BEING ABLE TO ADAPT TO PEST THREATS THAT CAN APPEAR OVERNIGHT AND HAVE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CONSEQUENCES, IF NOT, UM, ADDRESSED IMMEDIATELY.
SO ALL THESE CONCERNS, UM, BROUGHT US TO THE NEED FOR THE EXEMPTION PROCESS, AND IT'S A PROCESS THAT'S INTENDED TO BE USED SPARINGLY, UM, AND, AND FOR GOOD CAUSE AND AT SPECIFIC LOCATIONS AND FOR A SPECIFIC DURATION.
SO, UM, AND REALLY THAT'S ABOUT THE TRANSPARENCY.
UM, IS, IS ONE OF THE, THE BIG THEMES THAT'S UNDER UNDERLYING ALL OF THESE.
UM, A LOT OF THESE PRACTICES ARE THINGS THAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING AS STAFF, BUT WE'RE NOT DOING AS GOOD OF A JOB AS WE COULD IN CONVEYING THAT INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC.
SO THIS, THAT'S A, A MAJOR GOAL OF THIS POLICY IS TO DAYLIGHT THOSE, UM, THOSE PRACTICES AND, UM, MAKE IT AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC WHENEVER THEY WANT TO FIND OUT THAT INFORMATION.
SO, UM, WITH THAT, WE HAVE A POLICY, UM, ATTACHED TO THE RESOLUTION FOR THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER TONIGHT ON OUR ROADMAP.
UM, AND IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL WISHES TO PURSUE, UH, THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE HIRING AN INTEGRATED PEST MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR.
UM, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THAT WOULD BE TO DO THAT ON A CONTRACT BASIS FOR THE FIRST YEAR, SO WE UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH RESOURCE IS REQUIRED OF THAT POSITION.
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UM, AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK, UM, AT THE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET PROCESS WITH A, A BETTER PLAN FOR WHAT THAT POSITION WOULD LOOK LIKE IF IT CONTINUES TO BE, OR IF IT IS A, A STAFF POSITION OR WHAT THAT PROGRAM WOULD LOOK LIKE, UM, IF IT WERE, YOU KNOW, CONTINUED TO BE CONTRACTOR.UM, SOMETHING DREW AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE THE MEETING IS HAVING THAT IPM COORDINATOR FOR, FOR A FULL SPRING AND GROWING SEASON WOULD BE INVALUABLE DATA TO, UM, TO COLLECT.
SO IT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE VALUE THE FLEXIBILITY OF THE POLICY TO, UM, MAKE THAT DETERMINATION OF HOW THE WORK GETS DONE.
MONITORING IS, UH, CRUCIAL TO THIS PROGRAM.
UM, IT'S PART OF THE CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT ASPECT OF THE PROGRAM.
AND THEN, AS I ALREADY MENTIONED, THE REPORTING ASPECT, UM, CREATING A WEBPAGE WHERE THIS INFORMATION, WHERE THE PROGRAM, UM, LIKE THE EXAMPLE THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE PACKET AS ATTACHMENT THREE WOULD BE UPDATED ON A, UM, AS NEEDED BASIS BY THE INTEGRATED PEST MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR TO REFLECT, UM, ANY EXEMPTIONS, UM, ANY CHANGES TO BEST PRACTICES, ANY NEW AND EMERGING THREATS THAT WE NEED TO BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR.
UM, AFTER TALKING WITH OUR PEERS IN THE REGION ABOUT THEIR EXPERIENCES AND, AND WHAT THREATS THEY'RE SEEING, UM, REALLY MANAGING THIS POLICY AND IF NEED BE, UM, MAYBE THIS, THIS ROAD, THIS GREEN ROAD THAT WE'RE ON HERE LOOPS BACK AROUND TO POLICY IF, IF NEED BE, UM, IF THE POLICY DOESN'T REFLECT THE NECESSARY, UM, PRIORITIES OF THE COUNCIL, THEN LOOKING AT BRINGING IT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR REVISION CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT.
SO VERY BROADLY, THE, THE POLICY DOCUMENT ITSELF, UM, LISTS FIVE, UM, MAIN ELEMENTS.
UM, TWO OF 'EM RELATE TO THE EXEMPTIONS, BUT, UH, THE, THE MAIN PART IS WHAT CAN WE DO BY DEFAULT? WHAT ARE THE ALLOWABLE PEST CONTROLS? AND THESE ARE, UH, FAIRLY INNOCUOUS THINGS LIKE STEALING CRACKS SO YOU DON'T HAVE WEEDS GROWING IN THERE.
UM, AND THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS, UM, POSED TO, TO STAFF ABOUT TRAPPING.
UM, THE, THE POLICY, THE PROGRAM DOCUMENT IN THERE, UM, GETS INTO SOME OF THOSE DETAILS, BUT THE POLICY, UM, DOESN'T PROHIBIT ANY, UM, ANY SPECIFIC TRAPS.
UM, THE PROGRAM, THE, THE, UH, ATTACHMENT THREE TALKS ABOUT CRUELTY-FREE TRAPS.
SO THAT WOULD MEAN, UM, SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WOULDN'T BE USING POISONS FOR, FOR TRAPS.
UM, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT EITHER ALLOWS FOR RELOCATION OF THAT ANIMAL OR, UH, INSTANTLY, UH, KILLS THE ANIMAL.
UM, THE POLICY BROADLY ALSO DISCUSSES THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE AN ELEMENT IN THE PROGRAM THAT DISCUSSES THE PROHIBITED PRODUCTS AND PROCESSES.
AND THAT'S, UM, GONE INTO AT, AT A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT.
UM, IN THE PROGRAM DOCUMENT, UH, IT LISTS THE EXEMPTIONS AND, UM, ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT RECEIVED, WE RECEIVED IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HELPED DEVELOP A, A GREAT FORM FOR THE EXEMPTIONS.
UM, WHERE DID IT GO? AND IT'S IN THE APPENDIX AS APPENDIX B.
UM, SO THERE'S INFORMATION, UM, WE CAN SHARE THAT LATER ON IF, IF THERE'S AN INTEREST IN THAT.
BUT, UM, THERE'S A FORM THAT WE'VE DRAFTED AND IT'S, IT'S, UM, PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE WHY, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN WOULD THIS HAPPEN? WHY WOULD THIS HAPPEN? WHAT ARE THE INGREDIENTS, WHAT ARE THE, UM, THE TREATMENT METHOD AND WHERE, WHAT'S THE LOCATION OF IT? AND, UM, THOSE ARE ALL INFORMATION THAT THE IPM COORDINATOR WOULD BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT WHEN CONSIDERING WHETHER TO APPROVE THAT OR NOT.
AND THEN ALSO, YOU KNOW, IMPORTANTLY IS THE MONITORING AND REPORTING ASPECT OF IT.
AS I MENTIONED, IT'S OUR INTENT TO PUT THIS ON OUR WEBSITE SO THAT AS THE IPM COORDINATOR UPDATES, ANY EXEMPTIONS OR AS NEW BEST PRACTICES COME OUT, AND THE THREAT MATRIX IN APPENDIX C IS UPDATED, THAT INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE TO ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO SEE IT STAFF, THE PUBLIC, THE COUNCIL, UM, CAN GO TO THE WEBSITE AND SEE THAT.
SO GOT A LITTLE BIT AHEAD OF MYSELF HERE, BUT, UM, THESE EXEMPTIONS, UM, WOULD BE TIME LIMITED.
UM, THERE'S NOT, IN THE, IN THE POLICY, WE DO NOT PROPOSE ANY INDEFINITE OR BLANKET, UM, EXEMPTIONS.
UM, THEY WOULD BE LOCATION SPECIFIC.
THERE WOULD BE A MONITORING ASPECT AND A RE A REGULAR REPORTING ASPECT OF IT.
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OVERLY BURDENSOME, BUT IT ALSO IS IMPORTANT THAT WE, UH, ARE TRANSPARENT ABOUT WHEN THOSE EXEMPTIONS HAPPENED AND, UH, FOR WHAT REASON.SO WITH THAT, UM, WE'RE AT THE STEP OF CONSIDERING THE POLICY NOW, UM, IN THE FUTURE, IF, IF THIS IS WHAT THE COUNCIL DIRECTION IS, WE WOULD HIRE THE COORDINATOR.
WE'D BEGIN THAT MONITORING, EVALUATION AND EDUCATION PROCESS AND REPORT BACK TO COUNCIL ON THIS.
AND WITH THAT, UM, BOTH DREW AND I ARE HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
UM, I KNOW I WAS ON PARK AND REC BACK IN 2016 WHEN WE STARTED, UH, THIS PATH, AND, UH, I'M SURE GLAD TO SEE IT HERE AND I'M SURE GLAD IT'S ONE OF THE COUNCIL'S TOP 10.
I'D LIKE TO INVITE COUNCIL TO ASK QUESTIONS OF POLICY COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE.
AGREE, IT'S, I'M GLAD THAT IT'S COMING FORWARD.
UM, SO, UM, ONE OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTERS ASKED ABOUT UPDATES AND, UM, THE IDEA THAT THIS IS A LIVING DOCUMENT, UM, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE ADOPTING THIS TONIGHT, HOPEFULLY, I'M MAKING AN ASSUMPTION THERE, MAYBE I'M GETTING AHEAD.
UM, WHAT'S THE PROCESS FOR UPDATES? SO, UM, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.
THE, A LOT OF POLICIES DON'T NECESSARILY REQUIRE COUNCIL APPROVAL.
UM, I THINK WE'RE MAKING A PRECEDENT ON THIS ONE BECAUSE IT'S THE COUNCIL'S, UH, PRIORITY THAT WE BRING IT HERE FOR COUNCIL APPROVAL AND WE'RE, WE'RE APPROVING IT OR ASKING RECOMMENDED APPROVAL BY RESOLUTION.
SO IF IT WERE TO BE AMENDED IN THE FUTURE, WE WOULD EXPECT A, A SIMILAR PROCESS THAT A, A RESOLUTION WOULD BE BROUGHT FORTH AND FOR THE COUNCIL'S APPROVAL FOR THE POLICY ASPECT, UM, THE PROGRAM ASPECT OF IT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE OTHER ATTACHMENT THREE IS SOMETHING THAT WE SEE AS, UM, THE, THE STRENGTH OF THAT IS THAT IT CAN BE UPDATED REGULARLY ADMINISTRATIVELY BY STAFF, AND THAT IF THERE IS A NEW BEST PRACTICE THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, THAT CAN BE DONE AND IMPLEMENTED RIGHT AWAY, UM, INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, GETTING ON THE, THE COUNCIL'S CALENDAR AND, UM, YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS THAT, THAT THERE CAN BE THE, THE NIMBLENESS NEEDED FOR THAT.
AND THAT ALSO, UM, WITH THE EXEMPTION PROCESS BEING PART OF THAT PROGRAM DOCUMENT AND BEING ABLE TO BE UPDATED REGULARLY, UM, IT KIND OF, IT, IT, IT WAS INTENTIONAL BECAUSE IT REFLECTS THAT CONCERN FROM THE GOLF COURSE AS WELL, THAT IF THERE IS AN EMERGING THREAT THAT NEEDS IMMEDIATE ACTION OR THERE'LL BE, UM, SIGNIFICANT CONSEQUENCES TO THE ECONOMICS OF THE GOLF COURSE, THAT THAT CAN BE HANDLED.
UM, WELL, WE WOULD LIKE IT TO BE HANDLED PROACTIVELY, BUT IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, UM, IN A VERY RAPID, UM, FASHION, THAT THAT CAN HAPPEN, AND THERE CAN BE THE TRANSPARENCY THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT EXEMPTION PROCESS THROUGH THE PUBLISHING OF THAT DOCUMENT INSTEAD OF COMING TO A COUNCIL MEETING, YOU KNOW, AND THERE MAY BE A, A MONTH THAT ELAPSES FROM THE TIME WHEN THE, THE THREAT WAS BROUGHT TO STAFF'S ATTENTION AND IT, AND IT GETS BEFORE THE COUNCIL THAT THAT MIGHT BE TOO LATE TO SAVE THE GREENS.
UM, SO TRYING TO USE THAT FLEXIBILITY, UM, AS A STRENGTH, UM, TO BE FLEXIBLE, BUT ALSO TRYING TO BALANCE THAT WITH THE NEED FOR TRANSPARENCY AND, UM, BRINGING THAT INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC SO THAT THEY CAN UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS BEING IMPLEMENTED ACCORDING TO THE POLICY AND TO COUNCIL'S DIRECTION.
COUNCIL MEMBER, JUST TO DOVETAIL ON THAT, WE, UM, IN LOOKING AT THE JOB DESCRIPTION OR, UM, A PROFILE OF, OF THE IPM COORDINATOR, ANNUAL REPORTING IS PRETTY STANDARD, BUT WE FELT, AND WE HEARD THIS FROM THE ENGAGEMENT, YOU KNOW, A MONTHLY, UM, UPDATE THAT'S SHARED ON THE WEBSITE OF ANY EXEMPTIONS ALSO FELT RIGHT.
SO IN THAT FIRST YEAR, IT MAY BE MORE REGULAR UPDATES AS THE IPM COORDINATOR GETS GOING, BUT AT THE VERY MINIMUM, THE BASELINE SHOULD BE A, AN ANNUAL REPORT.
HOW'S THE PROGRAM GOING? WHAT ARE WE SEEING? BUT ALSO A MONTHLY, UM, UPDATE ON ANY EXEMPTIONS ISSUED FOR THE MONTH PRIOR.
THOSE WERE SOME OF THE IDEAS KIND OF FLOATED OUT BY SOME OF THE TASK FORCE WE WERE WORKING WITH.
UM, I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION AND NOW I'M COMING BACK TO ME MAYBE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY.
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ASK ABOUT WHAT APPEARS TO BE A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL DISCONNECT ON THE GOLF COURSE ISSUE.UM, THE STAFF REPORT ON PAGE THREE INDICATES THAT, UM, YOU MET WITH BRUCE RUN STAFF IN DECEMBER.
UM, THEY PROVIDED YOU A LIST OF PESTICIDES THEY MAY NEED TO MAINTAIN FUNCTIONALITY.
UM, AND, AND, AND I, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, UM, WITH THE LIST THAT THEY PROVIDED YOU, WOULD THEY STILL BE ALLOWED TO USE THOSE UNDER THIS POLICY? MM-HMM.
SO I'M, I'M, I'M HAVING TROUBLE SCORING THOSE, THOSE STATEMENTS.
AND, AND YEAH, MR. CARSON'S HERE AS WELL, THE GENERAL MANAGER FROM ROOSTER RUN.
YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN WE MET WITH ROOSTER, I, I THINK I WANNA START BY SAYING, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WERE REALLY IMPRESSED AND I THINK ROOSTERS SHOULD DESERVE A LOT OF CREDIT, UM, FOR DAYLIGHTING, A LOT OF THE PREVENTATIVE MEASURES OF THEIR OPERATIONS THAT THEY TAKE, UM, TO PREVENT SOME OF THE PESTS THAT THEY, THEY OBVIOUSLY ARE MOTIVATED TO, TO CONTROL.
AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF A GOOD INFORMATION THERE AND A STORY THAT CAN BE TOLD ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT THOSE ARE IN ISOLATING THEIR GRASS CLIPPINGS AND, AND NOT OVERWATERING AND MONITORING.
UM, AND IN SHARING SOME OF THE CHEMICAL USE, IT'S, IT, IT'S CLEAR THAT THEY'RE HIGHLY, UM, FOCUSED ON THEIR GREENS AND THEIR TEE BOXES.
UM, AND THEY, THEY MANAGE A, A LARGE PROPERTY.
SO WHILE WE FELT THAT THEY NEED CERTAIN TOOLS TO MANAGE THOSE GREENS AND THOSE TEE BOXES, UH, WE ALSO DIDN'T SEE, UM, REASON TO BELIEVE THAT THEY COULDN'T USE AN EXEMPTION PROCESS THAT TARGETS SPECIFICALLY THOSE, THOSE ITEMS AND USE OUR PROGRAM AS COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT TO HELP US, UM, SHARE WITH THE COMMUNITY WHAT IT'S TAKING AND WHY TO MANAGE THE GOLF COURSE.
SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE FELT, UM, WE HAVE A PROGRAM AND POLICY THAT COULD BE USED.
UM, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S A SHIFT IN, UM, STATUS QUO FOR THE GOLF COURSE.
BUT YOU HAVEN'T ANSWERED MY QUESTION AS TO WHETHER THE LIST OF HERBICIDES THEY PROVIDED YOU COULD STILL BE USED ON, ON, ON THE GREENS AND THE PUTTING BAR OR THE, THE TEE BOXES.
I'M GONNA ONE MORE SHOT AT IT AND THEN I'LL GIVE IT OVER TO PATRICK.
BUT, UM, THE, I IPMS ESSENTIALLY SHOWS KINDA THE METHODOLOGY OF CHOICES PRIOR TO USING SOME OF THE CHEMICALS.
SO I, I DIDN'T SEE FROM THE CHEMICALS LIST ONE CHEMICAL, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE A GLO PHOSPHATE OR ANYTHING, ANYTHING THAT IS OUTRIGHT PROHIBITED.
UM, BUT IT ONLY TELLS HALF THE STORY.
YOU NEED TO KIND OF FOLLOW AND SEE WHAT PREVENTATIVE MEASURES WERE TAKEN PRIOR TO GETTING TO THAT CHEMICAL, UM, INTERVENTION.
AND, AND I DO THINK THAT IT, IT IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE IPM COORDINATOR ON THERE TO EVALUATE THE EXEMPTIONS.
UM, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER IN THE PRESENTATION, WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO BLANKET EXEMPTIONS FROM THE POLICY.
UM, SO YEAH, I, I THINK THAT THERE, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE'S ANYTHING ON THERE.
AND THE POLICY SPECIFICALLY STATES THAT, UM, ANY CHEMICAL THAT'S BANNED BY THE U-S-E-P-A IS PROHIBITED.
I DON'T BELIEVE ANY OF THOSE WERE INCLUDED IN THE LIST.
UM, SO THAT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE EXEMPTION POLICY.
SO IF THEY APPLIED FOR THE POLICY, THE IPM COORDINATOR WOULD CONSIDER THOSE.
WELL, I'VE ASKED THE QUESTION TWICE AND IT STILL HASN'T BEEN ANSWERED, BUT, UM, SO I'LL TAKE THAT AS, UM, AS, AS, UH, ANYWAY.
UM, BUT TALKING, LOOKING AT THE EXEMPTION PROCESS, IS THERE A TIMEFRAME ON TURNING THESE THINGS AROUND? THERE DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE ONE IN THE WRITTEN POLICY.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, AS YOU INDICATED, I THINK ROOSTER'S CONCERN IS THAT SOMETIMES THEY GET SOMETHING THAT THEY NEED, THEY WANNA RE RESPOND TO VERY QUICKLY.
UM, COULD WE PUT LIKE A THREE DAY, THREE BUSINESS DAY TURNAROUND IN, IN THIS POLICY? SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I, I THINK THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE, THE IPM COORDINATOR COULD, I MEAN, IT, IT'S HARD TO SAY THAT WITHOUT, WITHOUT THEM HERE, BUT I THINK THE FEEDBACK OF HAVING A SPECIFIC TIMEFRAME ON THERE IS A REASONABLE REQUEST, AND IT'S SOMETHING WE COULD INCORPORATE INTO WHY THE PROGRAM, WHY DON'T YOU JUST MAKE THAT AMENDMENT TONIGHT SO THAT, THAT THE RESPONSE TO A RE AN EXEMPTION REQUEST WOULD BE PROCESSED WITHIN THREE BUSINESS DAYS.
AND IS, IS THAT SOMETHING JUST I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE COUNCIL? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL IS INTERESTED IN PUTTING INTO THE POLICY OR AS A PROGRAM ELEMENT THAT THAT STAFF WOULD BE ABLE TO, UM, ALSO COUNCILS? IF I COULD NOTE, I MEAN, IN THE CORRESPONDENCE FROM MR. COOMBS, UM, AND, AND THE GOLF COURSE MANAGER TONIGHT,
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IT QUOTES THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS INCLUDED IN, IN THE CURRENT LEASE ABOUT THE PARTIES COOPERATING AND NEGOTIATING IN GOOD FAITH REGARDING, UM, UH, IPM POLICIES, THAT, THAT MAY NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE COURSE.AND IF SOME OF THOSE, UM, CHEMICALS OR PRACTICES ARE SUCH, THEY NEED THAT THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO BE DEPLOYED RAPIDLY, THEN I WOULD THINK THOSE WOULD BE THE ONES THAT THE COURSE MANAGEMENT WOULD WANNA DISCUSS WITH US FIRST SO THAT THEY, THEY CAN BE ADDRESSED IN SUCH A WAY THAT, THAT, UM, THAT THEY HAVE A DETERMINATION SO THAT THEY'RE READY IF SOMETHING OCCURS LIKE A, LIKE AN INFESTATION OR SOMETHING.
SO, UM, THIS HAS NOT BEEN UNANTICIPATED, IT WAS ADDRESSED IN THE CURRENT LEASE.
UM, AND, AND OF COURSE THE IPM PROGRAM IS A MUCH BIGGER PROGRAM THAN JUST RELATES TO THIS ONE CITY PROPERTY.
UM, UM, IT, IT COVERS ALL OF OUR OPERATIONS.
IT COVERS ALL OF OUR CONTRACTS.
IT WOULD COVER OUR LEDS AND THE CONTRACTORS DOING THE, THE, THAT WORK OUR FACILITIES, UM, ET CETERA.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT PROVISION, I DON'T KNOW BRIAN, WHEN WE CONCLUDE THE LEASE NEGOTIATION SOMETIME AGO NOW.
SO IT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN OUT THERE FOR A WHILE THAT IT'S TRUE THAT THE IPM HAS BEEN A LONG TIME AND THE DEVELOPMENT, THERE'S A LOT OF STAKEHOLDERS AND CONCERNS TO ADDRESS AND, AND THERE'S, UM, A LOT OF ISSUES TO ADDRESS THAT.
PATRICK, YOU KNOW, JUST THOSE BOXES ON THE SLIDE, THERE'S A LOT IN EACH OF THOSE ABOUT COST AND STAFFING AND SAFETY AND, AND, AND SCIENCE, ET CETERA.
SO ANYWAY, I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT, UM, FOR THAT.
AND, UM, AND I, AS FAR AS I KNOW, YOU KNOW, I, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH, UM, THE BREWSTER RUN FOLKS, BUT WE CERTAINLY, CERTAINLY CAN AND ARE OBLIGATED TO IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CURRENT LEASE TERMS. YEAH.
SO IN FACT, I COULD FOLLOW UP WITH YOU ON THAT.
UM, SO MR. CARSON'S LETTER I READ IS BASICALLY, UM, PRESENTING A REQUEST TO REOPEN NEGOTIATIONS ON, ON THEIR LEASE, UM, UNDER PROVISIONS THAT EXIST IN THE LEASE.
DO YOU READ IT THAT WAY? NO, I DON'T.
I READ IT AS, AS, UM, AS WELL, LET, LET ME, LET ME READ TWO SENTENCES TO THIS.
DOES, HOWEVER, IF IT, IT GOES, IT STARTS WITH SAYING THAT THE, THE ROOSTER RUN HAD AGREED TO, UH, COMPLY WITH THE CITY'S FUTURE INTEGRATED PEST MANAGEMENT PLAN.
BUT IT GOES ON TO SAY, UM, AND THIS IS LANGUAGE FROM THE LEASE, IF THE LESSEE'S COMPLIANCE WITH THE IPMP HAS ADOPTED CAUSES THE LESSEE'S SIGNIFICANT HARDSHIP, THE PARTIES AGREED TO NEGOTIATE IN GOOD FAITH REGARDING ALTERNATIVE COMPLIANCE OF THE LESS C AND THEN THE NEXT SENTENCE SAYS THAT ROOSTER IS TAKING THE POSITION THAT THE IPMP IS A SIGNIFICANT HARDSHIP.
SO I THINK THE COMBINED READING OF THOSE TWO SENTENCES IS THEY, THEY WANNA, RENE RENEGOTIATE THIS, UH, UH, MY READING IS THAT, UM, THEY'RE EXPRESSING CONCERN ABOUT THE POLICY, UM, AND ADDRESSING THOSE CONCERNS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LEASE TERMS WOULD REQUIRE EXCHANGE OF INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT THOSE CONCERNS ARE, WHAT THE IMPACT ARE, WHAT THE SPECIFICS ARE, IN OTHER WORDS, GOING THROUGH THE EXEMPTION PROCESS.
AND, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S TIME SENSITIVE, UM, UH, TREATMENTS OR CHEMICALS THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED RIGHT AWAY IN THIS SEASON, THEN I WOULD THINK THOSE WOULD BE THE PRIORITY TOPICS.
BUT I DON'T, YOU KNOW, THERE, THAT'S, THERE'S NOT MUCH WE CAN DO.
THERE'S NOT MUCH I CAN DERIVE FROM WHAT YOU JUST READ, COUNCIL MEMBER HEAL, AND I READ THE SAME THING OTHER THAN THAT THEY'RE VERY CONCERNED, BUT THERE'S SOME LANGUAGE THEY AGREED TO THAT THE CITY'S THE REGULATORY BODY IN THE CITY, UM, WITH RESPECT TO ITS FACILITIES AND AGREEMENTS CONCERNING THESE, UM, PRACTICES AND THESE CHEMICALS.
AND WE'VE ALL HEARD A LOT OF COMMUNITY, UM, INPUT AND CONCERN ABOUT THESE THINGS THAT, THAT ALSO NEEDS TO BE REFLECTED IN OUR PRACTICES.
SO, UH, WHAT I TAKE FROM THAT IS THAT WE'VE GOT SOME ENGAGEMENT TO DO, UM, WITH THE LESS, WITH THE ROOSTER RUN LESSEE TO, UH, TO SEE WHAT THEIR CONCERNS ARE AND, AND HOW WE CAN BEST ADDRESS 'EM.
AND, AND UNTIL WE DO THAT, I, I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING SPECIFIC ABOUT AN IMPASSE OR AN INSOLVABLE PROBLEM.
YOU KNOW, JUST GETTING BACK TO THE COLLOQUY I HAD BEFORE WE STARTED TALKING, UM, YOU KNOW, ROOSTER PRESENTED A LIST OF PESTICIDES AND HERBICIDES THAT THEY WANNA BE ABLE TO USE.
AND I CAN'T GET A STRAIGHT ANSWER AS TO WHETHER THOSE ARE ALLOWED, UH, UNDER THIS IPMP.
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TO THE SAME CONVERSATION AND I HEARD STAFF SAYING THAT IT'S NOT JUST A QUESTION OF, OF A BLANKET EXCEPTION TO USE A CHEMICAL OR A PRACTICE, BUT RATHER UNDER WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES DO YOU WISH TO USE IT AND WHAT ARE THE ALTERNATIVES TO USING IT? UM, AND, AND AGAIN, THAT SAME STUFF ABOUT 'CAUSE, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE OTHERWISE IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, I I THINK YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE LOGIC OF THE IMP IS, AND IT IS TRYING TO, AS MY UNDERSTANDING, IT'S TRYING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO, UM, AVOID SYNTHETIC ADDITIVES, UM, AND USE, UM, YOU KNOW, MECHANICAL APPROACHES, ELBOW GREASE, UH, NATURAL SOLUTIONS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.UM, RECOGNIZING THAT THEIR RESOURCES IN THE TIME AVAILABLE ARE NOT INFINITE.
AND ALSO THEIR, THEIR SAFETY THINGS TO CONSIDER IN TERMS OF HOW THEY'RE DEPLOYED.
SO, YOU KNOW, I, UM, I, SO MY UNDERSTANDING, LIKE WITH THE EXPRESSION OF CONCERN, UM, THAT WE RECEIVED TODAY IS THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A DIALOGUE ABOUT THE LIST.
UM, AND IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THAT'S HAPPENED YET.
AND I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF ALL OF THOSE THINGS LISTED ARE OF THE SAME PRIORITY IN TERMS OF THINGS THAT THEY MAY NEED TO DEPLOY RIGHT AWAY TOMORROW, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE COULD HAVE A STRUCTURED CONVERSATION SO WE CAN, WE CAN ADDRESS THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, GOLF COURSES ARE HIGH MAINTENANCE, UM, UM, FACILITIES.
AND FOR IT TO, TO KEEP ITS VALUE AND, AND, AND BE, CONTINUE TO BE AN ASSET, IT'S GONNA NEED TO, YOU KNOW, PRO PROVIDE, PROVIDE THE MAINTENANCE THAT THAT GOLF COURSES REQUIRE.
AND THIS, UM, IS THIS, THIS PROGRAM IS RAISING THE BAR FOR THE CARE THAT'S USED FOR MANAGING CITY FACILITIES AND, AND, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S GONNA REQUIRE US TO DO THE WORK AND THE ENGAGEMENT.
THANKS, UH, COUNCILMAN POKAY, I BELIEVE YOU'RE UP NEXT.
UM, I, I, UH, I REALLY APPRECIATE, UH, THE FLEXIBILITY OF THIS AND, AND THE IDEA OF, UH, OF, UH, AT LEAST BEING A LIVE LIVING AWAY DOCUMENT.
UM, AND, UH, BUT I THINK, UH, THAT FLEXIBILITY MEANS THAT THE, UH, COORDINATOR, I BELIEVE THAT'S THE TITLE USED FOR, YOU KNOW, REALLY HAS TO BE SOMEWHAT TRUSTED BY ANYONE, BY EVERYONE, UH, UH, AT LEAST IN THE CITY.
AND I'M WONDERING, UH, I, I DON'T EXPECT WE'VE DONE ANYTHING IN THAT REGARD YET, BUT I'M JUST WONDERING, IS IT, IS IT, UM, THE BLANKENSHIP GROUP WHO'VE BEEN OUR CONSULTANTS, IS IT LIKELY THEY WOULD BECOME, UH, THE COORDINATOR OR IT WOULD JUST BE, UH, AN OPEN, UH, UH, OFFER THAT ANYONE COULD APPLY FOR? SO TEAM, YOU WANNA RESPOND TO THAT, PLEASE? SURE.
AND AGAIN, PATRICK, WE'LL CAN FINISH.
UM, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE, UM, HAVE BOOTS ON THE GROUND.
SO THIS WILL BE A COORDINATOR THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE, UM, YOU KNOW, OPERATING HERE LOCALLY.
WE ALSO WANTED TO SPEND, UM, INITIAL TIMES, YOU KNOW, LOOKING THROUGH BEST PRACTICES FOR JOB DESCRIPTIONS, BECAUSE WE ALSO HAVE, UM, VACANCIES ACROSS THE CITY.
UH, AND IN LOOKING AT OTHER JURISDICTIONS, UH, WE KNOW THAT, UM, IPM COORDINATORS HAVE FILLED A NUMBER OF ROLES IN OTHER CITIES.
SO, SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, UM, THAT QUALIFICATIONS, THAT REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS THAT RFP, UH, WOULD HAVE TO REQUIRE SOMEONE TO BE HERE ON SITE WITH STAFF ON THE GROUNDS.
UM, AND THAT WOULDN'T BE THE CURRENT CONSULTANTS WHO ARE BASED IN CITY OF DAVIS.
UM, PATRICK, YOU SUMMED IT UP.
UM, SO, SO, BUT AGAIN, THAT YOU'D STILL PLAN TO PERHAPS USE INITIAL EXPERIENCE WITH A CONTRACTED, UH, COORDINATOR TO EVENTUALLY MAKE THAT PART OF A CITY JOB DESCRIPTION.
THAT'S, THAT'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, AGAIN, WE, WE FEEL WE DON'T HAVE IT DRILLED DOWN COMPLETELY ABOUT HOW MANY HOURS EXPECTATIONS WE KNOW INITIAL SPENT TIME WOULD BE TO, UM, FLUSH OUT THE PROGRAM, THE THREAT MATRIX, UM, DEVELOP SOME STAFF, UM, TRAININGS, COMMUNITY OUTREACH, EDUCATION.
SO WE FEEL, UM, CONSULTANT IS THE RECOMMENDATION WE HAVE TODAY, BUT USE THAT TIME TO FLESH OUT JOB DESCRIPTIONS AND IDENTIFY, UM, MAYBE WHERE IT MAKES THE MOST SENSE, UM, ACROSS OUR CITY POSITIONS TO MAYBE DOVETAIL A POSITION.
I GUESS THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I WOULD HAVE IS IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, UH, THREE DAY, UH, WINDOW, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, AND IF THE GENERAL MANAGER
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HERE MIGHT BE GOOD TO ASK HIM, UH, UM, IS THAT ADEQUATE, UH, FOR WHAT HE'S CONSIDERING? RIGHT.UM, I'M, I'M HOPING THAT, UH, DURING PUBLIC COMMENT WE'LL BE, UH, HEARING, UM, THOROUGHLY.
NOW, UM, WELL, THE PARKS AND RECS, UH, COMMISSION HAS BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR OVER A YEAR.
AND WE'VE BEEN LISTENING TO THE AD HOC COMMITTEE COME BACK.
THEY SPOKE TO ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS, AND I WAS VERY SURPRISED WHEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT LETTER CAME FROM THE ROOSTER RUN GENERAL MANAGER, BECAUSE WE HAD NOT HEARD FROM THEM, UM, SINCE THE LAST TIME THEY CAME.
AND WE HAD, UM, DIRECTED STAFF TO LOOK INTO WINDSOR'S GOLF COURSE BECAUSE THEIR KIND OF SISTER GOLF COURSES AND THE, TO KIND OF SEE WHAT THEIR PRACTICES WERE FOR, FOR THIS.
AND SO I BELIEVE THERE'S A, UM, SOLUTION WITHIN MR. UM, CARSON'S LETTER.
THEY HAD TWO PROPOSED SOLUTIONS, AND THE SECOND ONE IS TO MODIFY THE ORDINANCE TO STATE THAT THIS ORDINANCE APPLIES TO ALL LEASES EXCEPT GROUND LEASES, WHOSE TERM EXCEEDS 10 YEARS.
THIS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE TO BE ADOPTED, AND WE WILL WORK WITH STAFF TO RESOLVE THIS ISSUE.
SO COUNCIL MEMBER HEALEY WAS TALKING ABOUT THE DISCONNECT.
UM, AND THAT'S REALLY UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR OVER A YEAR, AND, UM, I THOUGHT IT WAS GOOD TO GO.
AND NOW THE PUBLIC HAS BROUGHT, OF COURSE, OTHER THINGS.
SO, UM, WE NEED TO MAKE SOME CHANGES AND MAYBE STAFF COULD TALK ABOUT WINDSOR GOLF COURSE AND HOW WE COULDN'T GO WITH THAT APPROACH IN PETALUMA.
UM, WINDSOR'S APPROACH WAS TO EXEMPT IT FROM THE PROCESS, SO THEY DON'T INCLUDE IT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A SIMILAR SITUATION, UM, WITH THE CITY OF PETALUMA WHERE THE TOWN OWNS THE LAND, AND, UH, THE SAME OPERATOR OPERATES THE GOLF COURSE.
SO, UH, THEY DIDN'T GIVE US ANY INSIGHT ON WHY IT WAS EXCLUDED, BUT THAT IT, IT WAS EXCLUDED FROM THAT IPM POLICY AT THE TOWN OF WINDSOR, WHICH IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE ONE, UH, THAT'S BEING PROPOSED TONIGHT.
UM, I, I THINK THAT, YEAH, I THINK IT WOULD BE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THAT WE AT LEAST TRY TO, UM, DISCUSS, BECAUSE THERE'S VERY LITTLE, AS THE CITY ATTORNEY MENTIONED, THERE'S VERY LITTLE INFORMATION IN THE LETTER ABOUT THE CONCERNS OTHER THAN THEY THINK THAT IT'S GONNA BANKRUPT THEM.
I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE A DISCUSSION, UM, WITH THEIR STAFF ABOUT WHAT THEY FEEL IN THE EXEMPTION PROCESS WAS INADEQUATE, SO THAT WE COULD ADDRESS THAT POTENTIALLY BEFORE WE LOOK AT ANOTHER EXCLUSION.
UM, I KNOW THAT THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS SPECIFICALLY, UM, WERE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT INCLUDING THE GOLF COURSE.
UM, JUST FOR THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED ON THAT, THEY GAVE A REPORT OR A PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, THERE'S A SPECIFIC WEED THAT IF IT INVADES THEIR, THEIR GREENS, I'M NOT A GOLFER, IT COULD RUIN THE GOLF COURSE AS WE KNOW IT AND BE, UM, VERY HAZARDOUS TO THE GOLFERS AND USERS.
AND IT HAS TO BE DEALT WITH IMMEDIATELY.
SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST, UH, THE GOPHERS, BUT IT'S THIS WEED THAT INVADES.
AND, YOU KNOW, I AM, UH, A DAUGHTER OF A BEEKEEPER, SO WE DON'T USE PESTICIDES BECAUSE THERE'S POLLINATORS OUT THERE AND THERE'S GOOD WEEDS, AND WE DON'T WANT TO HURT THE ENVIRONMENT, BUT IF THERE'S A CERTAIN WEED THAT'S NOT, IT'S JUST A NUISANCE AND A HAZARD.
WE NEED TO LISTEN AND, AND TAKE THE APPROACHES THAT NEED TO BE DONE.
I MEAN, I WAS DRIVING ON PETA BOULEVARD NORTH TODAY, AND I SAW OUR CITY STAFF OUT THERE WITH, UH, MACHINES CUTTING DOWN THE GRASS BECAUSE WE HAD A LOT OF RAIN, AND THERE'S A LOT OF WEEDS GROWING IN THE MIDDLE OF PETA BOULEVARD BETWEEN THE NORTH AND SOUTHBOUND LANES, AND IT LOOKED VERY DANGEROUS.
THERE WAS JUST LIKE SIX CONES, AND IT'S KIND OF A BLIND TURN.
I WAS THINKING, OH MY GOSH, STAFF IS NOT PROTECTED, AND THEY'RE HAVING TO GET THESE WEEDS DOWN.
AND, YOU KNOW, 10 YEARS AGO WE WERE PROBABLY USING SOME SORT OF HERBICIDE TO PREVENT THE THEM.
SO WE DON'T WANNA DO THAT ANYMORE.
WE WANNA DO THE BEST PRACTICES, BUT WE NEED TO HELP
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ROOSTER RUN, RUN THEIR BUSINESS SUCCESSFULLY AND FOR THE HEALTH OF THE COMMUNITY TOO.UH, COUNCIL, UH, VICE MAYOR SCHIBS, UM, AM I ALLOWED TO QUESTIONS OR CAN I GO IN COMMENTS? MOSTLY QUESTIONS.
AND THIS IS WHERE I HAD A PROBLEM ORIGINALLY.
I THINK YOUR PRESENTATION DEMONSTRATES THAT DISCONNECT.
YOU USED THE WORD POLICY IN, IN YOUR, AND NOT THE WORD WORD PROGRAM, AND THAT YOU'RE LEADING TO A PROGRAM.
AND SO POLICY VERSUS PROGRAM, VERY HUGE DIFFERENCE THERE.
UM, AND HAVING ACTUALLY STUDIED, UH, INTEGRATED PAST MANAGEMENT FOR GOLF COURSES, I UNDERSTAND WHERE THE GOLF COURSES IS COMING FROM.
UH, IT'S PROBABLY THE HIGHEST USE OF FUNGICIDES IN THE US BY, BY ALL MARKETS, UM, BECAUSE OF THE FUNGIS, UH, FUNGI THAT ATTACK LAWNS AS WELL AS CERTAIN WEEDS THAT MAY BE COMING IN.
USUALLY IT'S CRAB GRASS DOWN IN THE SOUTH, UH, THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT THERE'S, UM, THE GOLF COURSE HAS IN PLACE AN IPM PROGRAM, AND A PROGRAM SAYS, THIS PEST HAS THIS THRESHOLD, AND WHEN IT REACHES THIS THRESHOLD, YOU TAKE THIS ACTION, WHATEVER IT IS, EITHER BY DATE, IF IT'S A HERBICIDE, A PRE-EMERGENT HERBICIDE, IT HAS TO BE APPLIED BEFORE IT GERMINATES.
THAT'S, THAT'S NOT A THREE DAY THING, THAT'S A YEAR IN ADVANCE.
WE'RE GOING TO APPLY THIS HERBICIDE FOR THIS PRE-EMERGENT HERBICIDE FOR THIS WEED CONTROL BECAUSE YOU, YOU CONTROL IT WHEN IT'S A SEED THAT'S GERMINATING, NOT THAT YOU CAN'T SEE IT AT ALL.
SO YOU HAVE PRACTICES THAT REQUIRE INTEGRATED PEST MANAGEMENT WITH A YEAR-ROUND PROGRAM THAT INCLUDES ALL THE THRESHOLDS AND THE PESTS, AND THEY'VE ALREADY GOT SOMETHING GOING THAT WORKS BECAUSE IT'S EXTREMELY LOW THRESHOLD FOR GOLF COURSE GREENS.
UH, THE GOLFERS REALLY LOVE TO HAVE THAT NICE GREEN.
SO THAT EXTREME LOW THRESHOLD REQUIRES EXTREMELY HIGH MAINTENANCE, INCLUDING FUNGICIDES, INSECTICIDES, HERBICIDES, UM, PRETTY MUCH THE WHOLE PACKAGE IS PROBABLY THE HIGHEST USE OF CHEMICALS IN THE US IS GOLF GREENS, UH, FOR EVERYTHING.
AND THAT'S THE ONLY WAY, THAT'S THE ONLY, EVEN IN THE BEST PRACTICES AT THE HIGHEST PRICED PLACES, YOUR ORGANIC METHODS, UM, YOU'RE GONNA END UP WITH VARIOUS ISSUES.
SO YOU'VE GOTTA SOLVE, EVEN YOU DO THE BEST PRACTICES YOU CAN, BUT YOU END UP IN A SITUATION, GEE, UM, I'M GONNA LOSE THIS IF I DON'T TAKE AN ACTION THAT MAY USE A, A FUNGICIDE OR INSECTICIDE TO CONTROL WHAT'S THE PROBLEM IS.
AND IT'S A VERY LOW THRESHOLD.
SO THAT'S A PROGRAM, A PROGRAM SAYS THROUGHOUT THE END OF THE YEAR, I'VE GOT THESE ISSUES, I'VE GOT THESE PESTS, THESE ARE MY THRESHOLDS, AND THIS IS WHAT I'M GONNA DO TO PREPARE FOR ALL THAT.
AND THEY HAVE A WHOLE LIST OF A WHOLE MANAGE.
THEY'VE GOT GOLF COURSE GREEN FOLKS VERY HIGH PAID THAT ARE MANAGING THREE AND FOUR PER LITTLE AREA.
SO THAT'S GOING ON IN THAT PLACE.
SO THAT'S WHAT'S BEING DONE, BECAUSE THE DEMANDS OF THE GOLFERS IS THEY WANT THIS BEAUTIFUL GOLF GREEN TO GOLF THEIR BALL INTO THIS LITTLE HOLE.
UM, AND THE POLICY THAT WE HAVE CAN WORK WITH THEIR PROGRAM, BUT THAT HUGE DISCONNECT IS THEY'VE GOT THEIR PROGRAM SET IN PLACE IN OUR POLICY AS SUCH, THAT IS GONNA TAKE A HUGE AMOUNT OF TIME TO GET TO THE LEVEL OF THEIR PROGRAM VERSUS OUR POLICY.
AND THEIR PROGRAM WILL NOT WORK UNDER THE CURT POLICY IF WE DON'T WORK FAST ENOUGH TO GET TO THEIR PROGRAM.
SO THAT'S THE BIG DISCONNECT HERE.
SO IF YOU WANT TO, ON THE POLICY SIDE, IN THREE DAYS, I, I JUST TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH THREE DAYS, IT MIGHT BE FIVE HOURS REQUIRED TURNAROUND TIME, BECAUSE AN INSECT COMES IN, UM, ON A CERTAIN PLANTS AND EVERYTHING, IT'S THE PLANT'S GONE.
SO EITHER YOU SAVE THE PLANT OR NOT.
UM, AND DEPENDING ON WHAT THE SITUATION IS, YOU WANT TO USE THE ORGANICS.
OUR POLICY IS, I AGREE, THE POLICY THAT WE HAVE, I LIKE THE POLICY, ACTUALLY.
IT'S, IT'S BRINGING EVERYTHING TOGETHER.
UM, BUT IT'S ALL, IT'S, AND I'M DISAPPOINTED, IT'S ONLY A POLICY, VERY DISAPPOINTED THAT THAT'S, THAT'S ALL IT PROVIDES.
IT DIDN'T GIVE A LIST OF THE PESS THAT WE DEAL WITH, DIDN'T GIVE A LIST OF PER CURRENT PRACTICES THAT WE DO, DIDN'T GIVE US A LIST OF POTENTIAL, WHAT WE COULD DO, AND DIDN'T GIVE US A PROGRAM.
I WAS EXPECTING A PROGRAM FROM THESE CONSULTANTS.
WHAT WE GOT WAS A GENERIC POLICY THAT I COULD HAVE PUT TOGETHER IN 24 HOURS.
THIS IS, THIS IS TOTALLY GENERIC FOR A NICE INTEGRATED PROGRAM THAT EXISTED FOR 20, 30 YEARS.
SO I DON'T SEE ANYTHING SPECIAL WHAT'S BEEN DONE HERE.
I THINK IT'S THE CORRECT APPROACH.
BUT THE GOLF COURSE, I THINK WE NEED TO ALLOW SOME PROGRAM WORK TO BE DONE UNTIL WE ACTUALLY HAVE OUR PROGRAM IN PLACE.
AND THE COORDINATOR'S GONNA BE ABSOLUTELY NEEDED TO DO THAT.
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BEING EXPECTED HERE, I THINK IS MUCH HIGHER THAN YOU THINK FOR THE REPORTING PROCESS.THE REPORTING PROCESS THAT YOU HAVE IN HERE IS WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING IS, UM, WAY ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT'S EXPECTED FROM THE STATE.
YOU'RE EXPECT THE STATE ONLY REQUIRES SO MUCH REGISTRATION OF THINGS, AND ONLY THE REGISTERED PRODUCTS NEED TO BE REPORTED.
BUT YOU'RE GONNA REPORT PESTICIDES, WHICH INCLUDES ALL YOUR ORGANICS, INCLUDES ALL YOUR BEST PRACTICES, INCLUDES PRETTY MUCH THE WHOLE PROGRAM NEEDS TO BE LISTED OUT AND MADE PUBLIC.
AND YOU'RE GONNA DO THAT ON A MONTHLY BASIS.
SO THE EFFORT THAT'S GONNA TAKE JUST TO DO THE REPORTING IS ALMOST GONNA BE A FULL-TIME JOB WITH ALL THE ORGANIC PARTS AND ALL THE OTHER PARTS, UNLESS YOU SPECIFY, OH, WE'RE GONNA REPORT ON STATE REQUIRED REPORTING.
SO THERE'S A HUGE GAP THERE OF MISCONCEPTION, I THINK, RIGHT NOW BETWEEN ACTUAL POLICY AND PRACTICE.
AND THAT'S WHERE I'M HAVING REAL DIFFICULTY WITH THE PRACTICE THAT'S NOT BEING APPLIED TO, AND IT'S EXEMPLIFIED BY THE GOLF COURSE AS PRACTICE VERSUS POLICY.
I THINK WE SHOULD ESTABLISH THIS POLICY.
I THINK WE SHOULD GO WITH THIS POLICY TONIGHT AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS A GREAT FIRST RUN AT THIS POLICY, BUT LET'S MAKE SURE WE GET THE COORDINATOR AND, AND ALLOW THE GOLF COURSE TO FUNCTION AS IS UNTIL WE CAN GET OUR PROGRAM WITH THE COORDINATOR LISTED IT ALL THROUGHOUT, AND THEN WE CAN GO WITH A FULL MANAGEMENT PROGRAM WITH THE BEST ORGANIC POLICY THAT WE CAN AND FOLLOW THIS AS BEST WE CAN.
BUT THEY NEED TO HAVE SOME TIME TO, WE NEED THE TIME TO CREATE THAT PROGRAM.
SO THAT'S SORT OF LIKE, THAT'S, I'M, THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS IN HERE,
I'M GLAD YOU HAD THAT NICE ROADMAP POLICY FIRST.
BUT I'M REALLY CONCERNED, I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT ALL THOSE STEPS TO GET TO THE PROGRAM.
AND I LISTED OUT SEVERAL, I WAS NOT SATISFIED WITH THE ANSWERS YOU GAVE ME.
I GAVE YOU NINE QUESTIONS AND I GOT GENERIC POLICY ANSWERS, NOT PROGRAM ANSWERS.
SO I'M, AGAIN, I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED IN THE LEVEL OF EFFORT WITH OUR CONSULTANTS WHO HAVE WORKED WITH US ON THIS TO GET US TO A PROGRAM.
UM, ANYWAY, I, I WOULD LOVE TO ASK THAT.
THAT'S NOT APPROPRIATE TONIGHT.
I THINK WE SHOULD GO WITH POLICY.
UH, BUT ALLOW PROGRAM AS AN EXEMPTION RIGHT NOW TEMPORARILY FOR THE, FOR THE GOLF COURSE SO THAT THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO UNTIL WE CAN ACTUALLY FLUSH IT OUT, HAVE OUR COORDINATOR IN PLACE, AND ACTUALLY ESTABLISH OUR PROGRAM WITH ALL THE POSSIBLE PESTS.
'CAUSE THE MOSQUITO DISTRICT IS ANOTHER ONE THAT'S EXEMPT, SORT OF, THEY HAVE TO DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO.
SO IF THEY'RE EXEMPT, AND IF WE EVER GET COCKROACHES COMING INTO OUR KITCHENS, WE MAY HAVE TO LOOK AT OTHER, OTHER THINGS BECAUSE ESTABLISHMENTS, KITCHENS ARE, HAVE DIFFERENT LEVEL.
DO WE WANT TO HAVE THIS POLICY FOR, FOR OUR KITCHENS, FOR CONTROL OF COCKROACHES AND OTHER THINGS, ORGANIC'S NOT GONNA WORK.
UM, SO WILL WE EXEMPT RESTAURANTS ESPECIALLY, OR OUR KITCHENS AND OUR PUBLIC PLACES THAT WE HAVE, AND WILL THE SCHOOLS FOLLOW THE SAME POLICY? SO THERE'S ALL SORTS OF REASONS WHY I'M GOING.
I, UH, ANYWAY, I WOULD GO FOR POLICY.
ANYWAY, THAT'S, I'M GIVE THANK YOU.
QUESTIONS WOULD GET WAY INTO THE WEEDS ON THIS IF I ASK ALL THESE QUESTIONS OKAY.
SO I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT.
AND, UM, THEN I THINK, UM, THE, THE WAY I'M LOOKING AT THIS IS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE CITY IS SETTING A POLICY FOR ITS PROPERTIES AND, UM, AND ITS CONCERNS.
AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE STARTED THIS IN 2016, UM, WHEN WE DID THOSE STUDIES AND IT, AND SHIO WENT AND VISITED ALL THE OTHER CITIES AND BROUGHT BACK REPORTS, UM, WE AGREED THAT OUR LEVEL OF LANDSCAPING WOULD CHANGE.
THAT WE COULDN'T LANDSCAPE THE WAY WE USED TO LANDSCAPE.
AND, UM, AND, AND I DON'T KNOW THE WORLD REALIZES THAT
SO OUR MEDIAN, I MEAN, AND TELL ME IF YOU'VE GOT, UH, UH, SURVEY DATA ON THIS, BUT THE QUALITY OF MEDIAN, UM, AESTHETIC IS DROPPED IN THIS PERIOD.
UM, BUT WE'VE DONE GREAT THINGS WITH GRAZING AND OTHER THINGS, BUT THE GOLF COURSE IS A UNIQUE RELATIONSHIP.
THERE'S NO OTHER SIMILAR, UH, CITY PROPERTY.
UM, AND, AND THAT'S THE QUESTION, IS THERE ANY OTHER CITY PROPERTY WHO HAS A COMMERCIAL INTEREST WHERE, WHERE WE WOULD BE, UM, TALKING ABOUT DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS, UM, WHERE THIS APPLIES TO MEDIANS, THE CITY CAN ACCEPT ON ITS SHOULDERS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF A DECREASED SERVICE LEVEL.
THAT'S OUR COMMITMENT TO THE ENVIRONMENT, IS THAT WE HAVE A DECREASED SERVICE LEVEL OR, OR INCREASED INVESTMENT IN, UM,
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IN RELANDSCAPING.BUT THE GOLF COURSE IS A BUSINESS WITH THE BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP WITH LIMITED OPTIONS.
AND IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AS TO HOW THEY CAN MODIFY PRACTICES AND NOT MODIFY PRACTICES.
SO I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE AN EXEMPTION FOR THEM.
THEY APPLIED FOR THE EXEMPTION WHERE THEY HAD SOME SORT OF UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PROGRAM IS THE EXEMPTION AND IT, AND IT'S NOT, UH, QUICK TURNAROUND.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW NOW THAT THEY'RE GONNA NEED AN EXEMPTION, BUILD THAT INTO THE PROCESS.
AND SO REALLY DRILLING DOWN TO A QUESTION IS, WHEN DO WE ANTICIPATE WE COULD FILL A POSITION? HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE TO ENTER THIS CONTRACT RELATIONSHIP WITH A COORDINATOR? WHEN DO WE SAY, SAY WE ADOPT A POLICY TONIGHT, WHEN DO WE FILL THE COORDINATOR? WHEN DOES THIS GO LIVE? I, I THINK THAT WE WOULD WANT TO DO THIS AS, AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, UM, GET INTO THE FIELD AND GET THE, GET THE, UM, LIKE, LIKE DREW SAID, GET SOMEBODY THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE HAVING A LOCAL PRESENCE THAT'S GONNA BE ABLE TO TALK WITH THE GOLF COURSE WITH OUR STAFF, UM, SEE THE FACILITIES ON A DAILY BASIS, SOMEONE THAT TRULY IS LOCAL.
UM, AND YEAH, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE I, I WOULD SEE IT BEING A PROFESSIONAL SERVICE AGREEMENT.
UM, AND, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD HAPPEN ON A RELATIVELY, UM, QUICK, UM, YOU KNOW, I WISH I COULD GIVE YOU A SPECIFIC, AN, UH, NUMBER.
I DON'T KNOW IF DREW HAS ONE IN MIND, BUT THAT WOULD BE A, A, THE, THE NEXT LOGICAL STEP AND THE A RAPID STEP THAT WOULD NEED TO HAPPEN, UM, IF, IF THIS POLICY IS APPROVED.
I, I THINK THE TIME, I THINK THAT THE, THE PSA WE CAN EXPEDITE THE, I THINK THE TIME FACTOR IS PUTTING TOGETHER THE SCOPE AND SOLICITING AND DOING THE, THE, THE SELECTION.
IS THAT A BARRIER TO IMPLEMENTATION? COULD WE ASSIGN AN ACTING STATUTE OF THE ZIPPER WITH CERTAIN CERTIFICATION OF THE, OF THE POSITION? IT IS.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M WELL, THAT'S, YOU ASKED IF IT'S A BARRIER TO IMPLEMENTATION.
I, I THINK SO, BECAUSE IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A CONTRACT POSITION, THEN WE NEED TO SCOPE, I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THIS OR, OR SUGGEST HERE THAT WHILE THAT IS THE PROGRAM, WE, WE NEED TO IMPLEMENT SOONER.
AND WE SHOULD HAVE A ALTERNATE EARLY IMPLEMENTATION, SUCH AS IF WE HAVE SOMEBODY WHO WRITES CERTIFICATION ON STAFF TEMPORARILY ASSIGN THEM THE DUTY TO START GETTING OUT AND LOOKING AT THE DUTY.
I MEAN, WHAT IF SOMEBODY SAYS, NEXT WEEK WE ADOPT A POLICY TONIGHT NIGHT, AND THEN WE, WE HAVE AN EXCEPTION REQUEST TOMORROW.
I I'M HEARING YOU COUNSEL OR MAYOR, UM, STAFF.
I'M ASSUMING WE HAVE A PLAN BEFORE WE HIRE THE COORDINATOR.
WHAT WOULD WE DO FOR THE EXEMPTION IN THE MEANTIME? 'CAUSE WE WOULD HAVE THAT TOMORROW, TONIGHT, TONIGHT,
I, I THINK WE WOULD, IF, IF THE COUNCIL APPROVES THE, THE POLICY, THE FORM WOULD BE, UH, AVAILABLE AND WE WOULD IMMEDIATELY REACH OUT TO THE GOLF COURSE STAFF AND SAY, LET'S WORK TOGETHER.
LET'S TALK, HERE'S THE EXEMPTION FORM AND, UM, LET'S, LET'S DISCUSS IT.
MEANING WE'LL DO THAT WITH EXISTING STAFF NOW.
SO WE CAN IMPLEMENT IMMEDIATELY, IF YOU WILL.
AND, UH, WHAT IS THE JUDGMENT REQUIRED OF THE COORDINATOR? WHAT DOES THE DETERMINATE, HOW DOES HE DELIBERATE THE EXCEPTIONS? HE, SHE, THEY, THEY, YEAH.
I MEAN, I THINK IT STARTS WITH THE QUALIFICATIONS.
AGAIN, RE REACHING THOSE HIGH DEGREES THAT OUR COMMUNITY, UM, EXPECTS.
UM, AND THEN THE POLICY THAT'S ADOPTED.
SO THOSE ARE THE GROUNDWORKS IN IMPLEMENTING A PROGRAM.
AND THEN THE SCOPE THAT THEY FOLLOW, UM, WOULD BE TO HELP FLUSH OUT THE REST OF THE PROGRAM, IDENTIFY THE THREAT MATRIX, AND THEN WORK THROUGH THE EXEMPTION, PRO EXEMPTION PROCESS BASED ON THE POLICY.
SO THE THREAT OF HARM TO THE BUSINESS IS THE CRITERIA THEY'D USE.
I'M SORRY, I THINK THE LAST, YEAH, I MEAN, GO AHEAD, PATRICK.
I, I, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S THE, THE, THE POLICY DOCUMENT ITSELF, UM, DISCUSSES WHAT THE, UM, WHY, WHY IT'S THERE.
SO IT'S THE POLICY OF THE CITY OF PETALUMA TO FALL, WHY THEY ACCEPTED PRINCIPLES OF INTEGRATED PEST MANAGEMENT.
THE BASIC PRINCIPLES ARE TO USE THE LEAST TOXIC METHODS FOR PEST CONTROL.
THE GOAL OF REMOVING ONLY THE TARGET ORGANISM AND MINIMIZATION OF RISK TO HUMAN HEALTH, BENEFICIAL NON TARGET ORGANISMS, AND THE ENVIRONMENT.
THE POLICY INCLUDES CONSIDERATION OF A NO ACTION APPROACH TO PEST MANAGEMENT TO MINIMIZE THE USE OF CHEMICAL PEST CONTROL METHODS.
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IS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE GUIDING PRINCIPLE OF IT.AND IT WOULD BE THE IPM COORDINATOR'S POSITION TO MAKE SURE THAT AN EXEMPTION DEMONSTRATES THE, UM, THE USE OF LEASE TALK, TOXIC METHODS IN THAT EXEMPTION, THE TARGET OF THAT, THAT PEST AND THE MINIMIZATION OF, UM, RISK TO HUMAN HEALTH AND OTHER ORGANISMS. SO THAT, THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE GUIDING, UM, STAR OF THE POLICY THERE.
DO, DO, IS THERE ANOTHER MARIN SONOMA, UM, AGENCY POLICY THAT WE CONSIDER EQUAL TO OR SUPERIOR TO THIS? UM, ARE WE, ARE WE BEING LEADERS? THE, THE TOWN OF WINDSOR IS VERY CLOSE.
IT'S A VERY SIMILAR PROGRAM TO THIS.
WITH THAT, UH, I'D LIKE TO OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT AND, UM, I'D LIKE TO ASK OUR CITY CLERK IF WE RECEIVED ANY EMAIL SUBMITTALS THIS EVENING.
WE DID RECEIVE FOUR PUBLIC COMMENTS AHEAD OF THE MEETING, AND THEY WERE POSTED TO THE WEBSITE.
AND I'D LIKE OUR MODERATOR READ OUR MESSAGING.
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ATTENDING IN PERSON SHOULD BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE.
SO SPEAKERS ARE REMINDED TO BE RESPECTFUL IN THEIR COMMENTS.
THIS MEETING IS BEING TRANSLATED.
PLEASE PAUSE BETWEEN SENTENCES FOR TRANSLATION.
THE TIMER BEHIND THE DIOCESE WILL BE RESET FOR EACH SPEAKER.
AND, UH, I DON'T SEE ANYONE, UH, MOVING TOWARDS THE TABLE OR TOWARDS THE FRONT.
AND SO, UM, ARE WE ADDING MORE CARDS? WE, WE'RE NOW CLOSING OUR CARD SUBMITTAL PROCESS, AND WE ARE, UH, READING THE, UM, NAMES OF THE PARTIES WHO WISH TO SPEAK.
BILL CARSON, PLEASE SPEAK FIRST, FOLLOWED BY TERRAN.
I GUESS MY, MY, UH, MY COMMENTS I'M GONNA MAKE, I DON'T NEED TO, BECAUSE PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY'S ALREADY, UH, SPOKEN TO MOST OF THE ISSUES THAT I HAVE.
I'M THE GENERAL MANAGER AT, UH, ROOSTER RUN GOLF COURSE.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, IPMP IS, YOU KNOW, A GREAT PROGRAM POLICY, BUT IT DOESN'T WORK FOR THE GOLF COURSE.
I MEAN, IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THE TURNAROUND IS SOMETIMES HOURS, NOT DAYS, UM, DEPENDING ON THE DISEASE, IT COULD BE ANTHRACNOSE, IT COULD BE WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, ANY NUMBER OF DIFFERENT DISEASES THAT WE WILL ACTUALLY START TREATING IT WITHIN HOURS OF NOTICING IT.
AND IT'LL BE TRACKED AROUND THE COURSE IF WE DON'T BY THE GOLFERS THAT GO THROUGH.
I MEAN, IT'S A VERY COMPLICATED AND VERY, VERY LABOR INTENSIVE.
UM, AS IT WAS MENTIONED, THAT IT IS EXTREMELY LABOR INTENSIVE TO MANAGE A GOLF COURSE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE A PRIVATE BUSINESS ON, YOU KNOW, A LAND LEASE.
WE HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE THE SAME OPERATORS.
I I MANAGE WINDSOR GOLF COURSE AS WELL, AND WE HAVE A LAND LEASE WITH THE TOWN OF WINDSOR, AND WE ARE EXEMPTED, YOU KNOW, FROM THAT POLICY.
I HOPE YOU'D CALL THEM AND TALK TO 'EM.
YOU KNOW, I DO HAVE ONE COMMENT THAT WAS SOMETHING ABOUT FINDING OUT ABOUT THIS LATE.
WE MET, YOU KNOW, IN DECEMBER AND JANUARY WITH THE COMMITTEE, GAVE 'EM ALL THE INFORMATION THEY WANTED.
THEY WANTED ALL OF THE CHEMICALS WE USED, HOW MUCH WE USED, AND THAT'S PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE.
IT'S RECORDED WITH THE COUNTY EVERY QUARTER.
UM, AND THE NEXT I HEARD WAS ON THURSDAY, AND WE GOT THE EMAIL ABOUT THIS MEETING TODAY.
I WAS, IT WAS DARK FOR ABOUT TWO OR THREE MONTHS, AND SO I DIDN'T KNOW, I COULDN'T DO, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION.
AND SO WE DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO HAVE ANY CONVERSATIONS.
SO I, THAT'S WHY I KIND OF WAS IN THE HURRY IN THE RUSH MODE TO KIND OF DEAL WITH THIS AND TALK ABOUT IT.
YOU KNOW, AN AMENDMENT TO THE LEASE I THINK IS PROBABLY THE BEST OPTION.
WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO DO IT ANYWAY FOR THE WETLANDS, AS YOU KNOW, ON THE PREVIOUS ITEM OF THE DAY.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, TRY TO GET THAT RESOLVED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE IF YOU WANT TO.
I'M SURE WE CAN GET IT DONE BY THE 2ND OF APRIL.
I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE ALL IN TOWN OF THIS NEXT WEEK, TWO WEEKS, SO, UM, I'M HAPPY TO DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET THAT DONE, BUT I THINK THAT REALLY IS WHAT WE HAVE WITH WINDSOR, AND I THINK THAT'D BE THE BEST POLICY OR THE BEST PRACTICE, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR PETALUMA KIND OF MOVE FORWARD.
SO I CAN ALSO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS IF ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING THEY WANT TO ASK ME AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
ACTUALLY, I DID HAVE A QUESTION IF I MIGHT, UH, PLEASE ASK THE QUESTION.
SO, UM, IF THIS POLICY GOES FORWARD AND THE EXEMPTION PROCESS IS PART OF THAT, WHAT KIND OF TURNAROUND TIME WOULD, WOULD YOU NEED TO HAVE FOR PROCESSING EXEMPTIONS FOR IF WE HAD THIS POLICY WAY? IT IS.
I MEAN, I MEAN, I GUESS THAT WE HAVE, SOMETIMES WE MIGHT DISCOVER IT ON AUR A SUNDAY MORNING, AND BY SUNDAY AT NOON WE'RE A APPLYING, YOU KNOW, A PESTICIDE BECAUSE SOME DISEASES ARE EXTREMELY, UM, TRANSFERRABLE.
AND SO IF YOU HAVE GOLFERS ON THE COURSE AND YOU SEE A SPOT OF, YOU KNOW, OSE OR
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I CAN'T EVEN THINK OF, WELL, I'M NOT THE EXPERT IN THIS, BUT IT COULD BE, IT COULD BE WALKED AROUND THE COURSE BY ALL THE GOLFERS THAT WALK OVER THIS, AND IF YOU WEREN'T ON IT, AND THEN THAT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WILL ACTUALLY KILL GREENS WHEREVER, AND IT SPREADS VERY QUICKLY.AND SO IT'S A VERY, VERY, UM, HARD, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S, AND THERE'S, I DON'T EVEN KNOW.
THERE'S, YOU KNOW, DOZENS OF THE DIFFERENT DISEASES THAT HIT GREENS AND FAIRWAYS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO TURNAROUND TIMES, IF IT'S DAISIES, SURE A FEW DAYS IS NOT A PROBLEM, BUT MOST OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT ARE GONNA BE THINGS THAT AFFECT THE GREENS, FAIRWAYS, TEES.
BUT, YOU KNOW, AND WE HAVE VERY FEW WEEDS, AND MOST OF THOSE ARE HANDLED THROUGH MECHANICAL PROCESS OF MOWING.
AND SO EVEN LIKE THE, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE DAISIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WE, WE, WE MOW THOSE MORE THAN TREAT 'EM.
AND SO IT'S JUST MOSTLY THE OTHER ISSUES THAT IS, IS A REAL PROBLEM.
AND OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS TARYN TO BE FOLLOWED BY RIKA GOANA.
WOULD YOU MIND IF SHE GOES NEXT? UM, CERTAINLY.
UH, RIKA GOANA AND, UM, I HAVE A CARD, WAYNE ESTRO SEATING TIME.
UM, THANK YOU FOR LETTING US SWITCH ORDER.
I RECOGNIZE AND REMEMBER YOU FROM 2016.
I'VE BEEN DOING THIS A LONG TIME.
I'M HERE WITH MY WORK HAT ON A BRAND NEW JOB IN THE LAST YEAR WORKING FOR THE NATIONAL NONPROFIT BEYOND PESTICIDES.
I'M A NATIONAL, UM, POLICY, UH, AND ACTION MANAGER.
SO I'M WORKING WITH CITIES ALL OVER THE COUNTRY ON IPM POLICIES.
AND I DO THAT BASED ON MY 11 YEARS IN MARIN COUNTY.
I'M A NEIGHBOR LIVE IN SAN RAFAEL.
WE, UH, I SERVE ON THE MARIN COUNTY IPM COMMISSION AND HAVE FOR THIR ALMOST 12 YEARS.
AND I WAS THE CHAIR OF THE COMMISSION WHEN WE HAD A GOLF COURSE COME UNDER OUR IPM POLICY MCGINNIS.
AND WE'VE BEEN THERE, WE'VE DONE THIS.
AND I'M HERE TO TELL YOU TWO THINGS.
ONE, PLEASE DO KEEP THE GOLF COURSE UNDER THIS POLICY.
AND TWO, IT IS POSSIBLE TO WORK OUT EXEMPTIONS AHEAD OF TIME.
AND, AND MY COMMENTS THAT I'D PREPARED.
AND I'LL POINT YOU TO WRITTEN COMMENTS THAT I SUBMITTED, I THINK A LITTLE LATE, BUT YOU HAVE THEM, WHICH SPEAK TO THIS AND OTHER ISSUES.
UM, BUT IT IS POSSIBLE BECAUSE SIR, AS, AS YOU JUST SAID, AND I REMEMBER PINK SNOW MOLD, IF IT HAPPENS, IT'S A BIG DEAL.
BUT YOU CAN WRITE AN EXEMPTION IN THE PROCESS OF TRANSITION.
LIKE WE WOULDN'T WANT THE WAY TO MANAGE A GOLF COURSE TO FOREVER BE.
UH, WHAT I WOULD RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH YOU, UM, VICE MAYOR, THAT THERE ARE NEWER, UM, TECHNICAL, UH, AND ORGANIC PRINCIPLES AND AND METHODS.
SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A PRESCRIPTIVE POLICY OF ONCE A YEAR YOU DO THIS AND MCGINNIS IS PERFECT PROOF OF THAT.
WAS THERE A TRANSITION WHERE THERE WERE EXEMPTIONS THAT WERE SET UP AHEAD OF TIME WITH, WITH A, A POLICY? WITH A POLICY, BUT THE PROGRAM, TO YOUR POINT, RIGHT, IT HAS TO BE A PROGRAM.
WE KNOW PINK SNOW MOLD CAN BE A PROBLEM ON A GOLF COURSE.
IF IT'S THE SIZE OF A QUARTER, CUT IT OUT AND PLUG IN SOME NEW TURF.
IF IT'S THE SIZE OF A DOLLAR YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GIVE PERMISSION AHEAD OF TIME TO USE THIS SPECIFIC CHEMICAL.
THAT WOULD BE AN EXEMPTION UNDER THE POLICY.
LOVE HOW DETAILED AND HOW MUCH THERE IS TO LOT ABOUT IT.
I'LL HAVE TO PUT THAT IN WRITING
UM, BUT IT IS POSSIBLE TO SET UP EXEMPTIONS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, EXPERIENCED OPERATORS KNOW WHAT PROBLEMS CAN COME UP.
SO YOU JUST PRE, YOU KNOW, PRE PREEMPTIVELY THINK THROUGH THOSE, DECIDE WHAT THE POLICY SHOULD BE.
BUT HERE'S THE OTHER REASON I WANTED TO COME HERE TONIGHT.
THE EXEMPTION PROCESS NEEDS SOME WORK.
AND I WOULD ALSO URGE YOU STAFF TO DO TWO THINGS.
ONE IS TO CONTINUE THE FANTASTIC WORK YOU'VE DONE OVER THESE MANY YEARS TO GET TO WHERE WE ARE TONIGHT, AND LEAN IN MORE TO ORGANIC LAND MANAGEMENT TO MOVE BEYOND A PRODUCT IDEA.
WAS THAT THREE MINUTES OR MORE? THREE, THREE PRECEDING ERIN, WE'RE MOVING TO A SECOND, THREE MINUTE PERIOD.
YEAH, AND I'LL BE REALLY QUICK, BUT, UM, BUT THERE ARE TWO THINGS.
THE, THE POLICY, AS MANY THINGS AS I, AS WE ARE HERE TO APPLAUD, INCLUDING SIGNAGE, INCLUDING, UM, CODIFICATION OF THE DISCONTINUATION OF SYNTHETIC PESTICIDES.
THERE'S STILL PRODUCTS UNDERNEATH THAT.
SO ORGANIC LAND MANAGEMENT CAN HELP GET BEYOND THE PESTICIDES, EVEN ORGANIC ONES, AND START HARNESSING NATURE SO THAT WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT SYNTHETIC PESTICIDES, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
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SYNTHETIC FERTILIZERS AND COME, COME WALK THE COURSE DOWN IN MCGINNIS.THEY, WE HAD PROBABLY TWO OR THREE YEARS OF TRANSITION WHERE THEY HAD EXEMPTIONS, THEY KEPT COMING BACK, BUT IT WAS IMPROVEMENT AND THEY WERE BUILDING THE SOIL, NOT JUST THE GRASS.
AND NOW THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRIMARILY USING COMPOST TEA.
THERE ARE ZERO SYNTHETIC FERTILIZERS OR PESTICIDES USED ON THAT GOLF COURSE, MUNICIPAL.
SO IT'S POSSIBLE THE PROCESS, UM, NEEDS TO BE WORKED.
AND I WOULD SAY TWO, TWO THINGS.
ONE WAS TO LEAN IN MORE TO THE TRAINING THAT, THAT I KNOW STAFF HAS ALREADY DONE WITH SOME OF THE NATIONAL EXPERTS ON ORGANIC TURF.
THE SECOND THING WOULD BE TO LEAN INTO THE LOGICAL STRUCTURE THAT THE PARKS COMMISSION ACTUALLY WOULD PROVIDE IN REPORTING OUT EXEMPTIONS.
UM, AND I REALLY APPLAUD THE FACT THAT YOU'RE NOT WAITING FOR AN ANNUAL REPORT OUT.
YOU'VE GOT DATA COMING IN MONTHLY.
FIND A WAY MAYBE TO HAVE A MORE PUBLIC FACING PROCESS WHERE MAYBE IT'S QUARTERLY LIKE WE DO IN MAROON COUNTY, WHERE THERE'S A COMMISSION AND STAFF COMES AND JUST REPORTS OUT THE EXEMPTIONS.
AND THAT TAKES OFF SOME OF THE PRESSURE OF, UM, BOTH TRANSPARENCY AND, AND REPORTING.
THE, THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE, OF COURSE, IS HELPING, UM, YOUR LEASE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS TO MANAGE A GOLF COURSE.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE CHEMICAL, UM, INTENSIVE FOREVER.
BUT THAT'S, THAT IS A BUSINESS AND, UM, PHILOSOPHICAL DECISION THAT THEY MAY ALSO NEED TO MAKE.
AND I WILL SAY THAT MCGINNIS HAD AN UNSUCCESSFUL, UM, FIRST SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR, I CAN'T REMEMBER.
AND THEY HAD TO, TO CHANGE, UH, CHANGE STAFFING, NOT NECESSARILY THE THE COMPANY, BUT THE STAFFING.
SO THE KNOWLEDGE IS OUT THERE.
UM, I'M HERE TO BE A RESOURCE BOTH ON THE POLICY AND THE PROGRAM AND THE PRODUCTS
SO, UM, WITH THAT I WILL SEED BACK MY TIME IF THAT WORKS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND THANK YOU.
AND REALLY CONGRATULATIONS DREW AND, AND PATRICK.
IT'S A FANTASTIC POLICY, A LONG TIME IN THE MAKING, AND THERE ARE MANY THINGS THAT I HAD TO SAY IN THE OTHER MINUTES BEFORE THE GOLF COURSE CAME UP.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS TARYN, TO BE FOLLOWED BY LANDRY.
UM, THANK YOU MAYOR FOR ALLOWING US TO SWITCH THE ORDER.
I WAS AWARE THAT, UM, WE HAD, UH, A NATIONAL EXPERT WITH GOLF COURSE AND IPMP MANAGEMENT, AND I THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
IT CAN BE GREAT FOR ALL OF US.
UM, UH, MY MOTHER LIVES RIGHT DOWN NEAR, UH, MACKIN, THIS GOLF COURSE, AND WE GO OVER THERE ALL THE TIME AND IT'S BEAUTIFUL.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, LEADING MARIN COUNTY CAN BE PROUD OF, AND I KNOW WE CAN DO THAT TOO.
I WANNA SAY THAT AS A COMMUNITY MEMBER THAT'S BEEN INVOLVED ON THIS SINCE THE CITY COUNCIL ELECTED TO MAKE A PRIORITY OR ORGANIC LAND MANAGEMENT EMPHASIS, LIFTING UP THROUGH AN IPMP.
AND THAT WAS LIKE OVER TWO YEARS AGO THAT WE STARTED, UM, PUSHING FOR THIS.
AND DREW AND PATRICK HAVE REALLY DONE A GREAT JOB.
THEY'VE LISTENED TO US, THEY'VE LISTENED TO THE GOLF COURSE SAYING ONE MEETING, 25 MEMBERS OF THE GOLF COURSE SHOWED UP.
AND, UM, I KNOW THE AD HOC, UH, WORKED CLOSELY WITH THE GOLF COURSE, INTERVIEWED THE GOLF COURSE, UM, INTERVIEWED THE COMMUNITY.
AND I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE, UM, UH, NUMBER ONE THAT CONTINUED WITH SOMETHING THAT WE DID TALK ABOUT, BUT KIND OF GOT DROPPED.
AND I JUST WANNA BRING IT UP AGAIN, UH, TO BRING, KEEP THE COMMUNITY INVOLVED WITH WHAT, UM, WE HAD REFERRED TO AS SORT OF A, A TASK FORCE, A GROUP THAT WERE THE IPMP COORDINATOR AND A PARKS COMMISSIONER AND SOME COMMUNITY EXPERTS LIKE WE HAVE, WE HAVE, UM, RIKA, WE HAVE MEGAN CONN WITH SAFE AG SAFE SCHOOLS, SONOMA COUNTY.
WE'VE GOT EXPERTS IN OUR COUNTY.
WE'VE GOT SARAH KAISER WHO DOES THE GRAZING.
AND WE'RE STRONGER WHEN WE BRING, KEEP THE COMMUNITY INVOLVED.
UM, THERE IS A TASK FORCE IN MARIN COUNTY FOR IPMP THAT OUR COORDINATOR SHOULD BE INVOLVED WITH, SHOULD BE A PART OF THAT TASK FORCE.
AND IF UNTIL FORMALLY APPOINTED, SHOULD ATTEND ALL OF THOSE TASK FORCE, THAT SHOULD BE, UM, MEETINGS.
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OF THE RFP OR THE, UM, PUBLIC, UH, THE, THE P-S-A-P-S-A, UH, SERVICE AGREEMENT, UM, PROFESSIONAL SERVICE AGREEMENT SO THAT THEY KEEP CLOSE WITH THE COMMUNITY AND WITH OTHER BEST PRACTICE LEADERSHIP, LIKE WHAT'S GOING ON IN MARIN COUNTY.THERE'S ALSO ONE IN SAN FRANCISCO, BUT I'M SURE THAT'S PROBABLY TOO FAR TO DRIVE.
I BET THE COORDINATOR THAT YOU FIND PROBABLY IS ALREADY AWARE, IF NOT ALREADY ATTENDING THE, UM, TASK FORCE.
UM, SO THE OVERSIGHT OF THE COMMUNITY, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT WITH, UM, THE POLICE OVERSIGHT, IT IS AN IMPORTANT THING BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY, MANY PEOPLE ENGAGED, SO MUCH GOOD THINKING IN OUR COMMUNITY.
SO PLEASE MAKE THAT, UM, A PART OF WHAT YOU, UM, FINALIZED TONIGHT.
ALSO, I'VE LEARNED THAT PESTICIDE COMPANIES HAVE, UM, SALES QUOTAS AND, UH, THEY GIVE AWAY CASH REWARDS.
UNTRACEABLE GIFT CARD, CASH, GIFT CARD REWARDS.
SO PLEASE MAKE A PART BIAS IS A HUGE THING IN THE INDUSTRY.
FOLLOW THE MONEY, PLEASE MAKE A PART OF OUR POLICY.
ABSOLUTELY NO STAFF RECEIVING CASH, CASH GIFT CARDS, ANY, ANY REWARDS FOR BUYING CERTAIN PRODUCTS AND ALSO CONTRACTORS THAT WE USE, NOT ENGAGING IN THAT PRACTICE.
THAT'S REALLY NOT THE GOAL THAT WE'RE GOING AFTER, AND WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE THAT BIAS THAT THE INDUSTRY LOVES TO USE.
AND THEY'RE SPAWNING NEW COMPANIES, NEW DISTRIBUTORS AND GREENWASHING TO HAVE THESE PROGRAMS LOOK LIKE THEY'RE, UM, INNOCUOUS.
AND, UM, I WOULD JUST ASK THAT I WAS NOT SURE ABOUT, UM, WHAT THE EXEMPTION WOULD BE FOR THE GOLF COURSE, BUT AFTER THE CONVERSATION TONIGHT, I FEEL LIKE IN KNOWING THAT, UM, MCINNIS DOES A GREAT JOB, PLEASE USE RICA WITH, UM, BEYOND PESTICIDES.
PLEASE, LET'S REACH FOR A HIGHER BAR.
IF OTHER CITIES ARE DOING THIS, OTHER COUNTIES ARE DOING THIS.
I KNOW IT CAN BE PAINFUL FOR SOMEBODY THAT JUST WANTS AN EXEMPTION LIKE THEY GET FROM ALL THE OTHER CITIES.
YEAH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL ASKED FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WHEN THEY MADE THIS A PRIORITY.
AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE HAVE TO DO ANYMORE.
WE CAN DO BETTER AND WE CAN KEEP THE GOLF COURSE EMPLOYEES SAFER.
WE CAN KEEP OUR WATER SAFER, AND WE CAN KEEP THE PUBLIC THAT PAY PLAY ON IT SAFER.
AND LITTLE RODENTS, MAYBE THEY'RE NOT KILLED AND IMPINGING PICKED UP BY, UM, OWLS AND THEN THE OWLS KILLED DUE TO SOME TOXIC CHEMICAL.
UM, SO PLEASE NO EXEMPTIONS FOR THE GOLF COURSE THAT EXCEED BEYOND WHAT RIKA HAS MENTIONED.
AND PLEASE REACH OUT IKA WITH BEYOND PESTICIDES AND WORK WITH HER.
PETALUMA DOES A GREAT JOB, AND THANK YOU.
AND THANK YOU TO COUNCIL MEMBER NOW FOR YOUR GREAT WORK ON THE PARKS COMMISSION.
THAT CLOSES THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD ON THIS ITEM FOR THE EVENING, AND I'D LIKE TO BRING IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL, COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE.
THE PUBLIC COMMENTERS AND STAFF.
UM, I REMEMBER 14 YEARS AGO, UM, GETTING THE ROUNDUP OUT OF OAK HILL PARK BECAUSE IT WAS GETTING SPRAYED AROUND THE DOG PARK AND, UM, AROUND THE, THE CHILDREN'S PLAY AREA.
AND SO WE'VE COME A LONG WAY AND IT'S, UM, IT'S AWESOME TO SEE.
UM, I WAS ACTUALLY PART OF THE WEED WHACKING CREW FOR THE OAK HILL PARK WHEN THAT, BEFORE THAT, UM, CITY STARTED TAKING CARE OF IT AGAIN.
UM, I I FEEL LIKE, UM, IF THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT HARDSHIP, IT HASN'T BEEN CLEARLY DEFINED.
I TRUST THAT THERE ARE, UM, THAT THERE ARE INSTANCES WHERE YOU DO NEED TO ACT WITHIN FIVE HOURS OR FIVE MINUTES OR WHATEVER IT IS.
BUT THAT PROBABLY IS DOCUMENTED IN YOUR IPMP OR YOUR, YOUR EXISTING PROGRAM COUNCIL MEMBER STRIPS YOU TALKED ABOUT.
UM, I WOULD SAY OPEN THAT AND LET'S LOOK AT THAT AND FIND THOSE INSTANCES WHERE YOUR, YOUR PROTOCOLS, UM, SPECIFY THAT YOU NEED TO ACT WITHIN, YOU KNOW, A MATTER OF HOURS.
UM, AND LET'S TALK ABOUT A PROCESS FOR THAT WHERE, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE THAT AND YOU SAY, I FOUND THIS, THIS PEST, I TOOK A PICTURE OF IT, I EMAILED IT TO THE CITY, AND YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA BE TREATING IT WITH THIS AMOUNT OF STUFF.
I'LL TAKE A PICTURE OF WHEN I'M DONE, AND YOU CAN DOCUMENT IT AND YOU CAN DO SOMETHING PROACTIVE AND JUST DOCUMENT IT FOR THE CITY.
AND, AND OUR COORDINATOR WILL LOOK AT IT, REVIEW IT, AND UM, MAYBE COME OUT WITH SOME, YOU KNOW, PRESCRIPTIVE MEASURES OR ALTERNATIVE
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SOLUTIONS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.AND WE CAN WORK ON CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT JUST FROM THE DOCUMENTATION.
BUT I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY WE NEED TO FULLY EXEMPT THE GOLF COURSE.
UM, I THINK THAT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE SPECIFICALLY INCLUDED COMPLIANCE WITH OUR, UM, IPM IN YOUR LEASE BECAUSE WE WANTED YOU TO, YOU KNOW, TO BE, YOU KNOW, TO CONSISTENT WITH THAT POLICY.
UM, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I I, IT JUST, I GET, I, UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE CAN FIGURE OUT A PROCESS THAT WILL WORK FOR YOU.
UM, THAT'S WHAT THE GOOD AND FAITH NEGOTIATION THAT WE CALL, WE CALLED OUT IN YOUR LEASE.
UM, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO, WE DON'T NEED IT TO SIDEWIND WHAT WE'RE ABOUT TO DO TONIGHT.
UM, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND YOUR, YOUR PLAN AND YOUR PROTOCOLS, UM, FOR CERTAIN PESTS AND, AND WORK WITH YOU ON THAT, UM, AND, UM, IMPROVE IT.
SO, YOU KNOW, UM, WITH THAT, I'LL MOVE THIS ITEM SO WE CAN GET HOME.
UM, I, I THINK WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE IS SUGGESTING IS NOT REALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE DOCUMENT BEFORE US.
UM, IF, IF SOME, IF THE GOLF COURSE WERE TO TAKE A PICTURE OF SOMETHING THEY JUST NOTICED AND SEND IT INTO THE CITY AND THEN, BUT THEN PROCEED TO, UM, UH, DEAL WITH THAT BEFORE THEY HEARD BACK FROM US, THAT'S NOT THE PROCESS THAT'S LAID FOR FORWARD IN THIS DOCUMENT.
UM, IF, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IT SAYS THAT, UM, AND, AND THERE'S ALSO, CONTRARY TO WHAT ONE OF THE SPEAKERS WAS SAYING, THERE'S NOTHING IN THIS THAT ALLOWS FOR PRE-CLEARANCE, UM, OF, OF, OF TREATMENTS OR PROGRAMS OR HOW THEY'RE GONNA DO IT.
SO I DON'T THINK THIS IS, I I, I SUPPORT THE PROGRAM WITH RESPECT TO CITY FACILITIES.
I THINK THIS IS GREAT FOR STREETS AND PARKS.
UM, BUT, UH, I, I DON'T THINK THIS IS FULLY BAKED YET WITH RESPECT TO THE GOLF COURSE.
AND I, I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW TO, HOW TO DEAL WITH THAT.
I'M, I'M, I'M NOT GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
UM, BUT, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF WE CAN WORK THROUGH THIS, UM, UH, COLLABORATIVELY.
UH, I SHOULD HAVE CAPTURED THE MOTION, UH, UH, MOTION BY BARNACLE, AND I DID NOT CATCH WHO THE SECOND, UH, WAS.
THE SECOND WAS DENNIS SKIDDER THOMPSON.
AND THEN, UM, UH, UM, CONTINUING TO LOOK AT FEEDBACK BEFORE WE MAYOR, IF I, IF I MAY STAFF.
UM, WE DO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A PREEMPTIVE PROCESS TO APPLY FOR PEST, UH, IPM EXEMPTIONS PRIOR TO IT.
UM, THE, THE POLICY ITSELF STATES THAT IN THE EVENT A PEST THREATENS THE HEALTH OR SAFETY OF STAFF, THE PUBLIC OR STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF CITY FACILITIES, THE IAPM COORDINATOR MAY APPROVE AN EXEMPTION TO THE POLICY.
EXEMPTIONS MAY BE GRANTED FOR SINGLE APPLICATIONS OR PILOT USE CASES OR FOR A DEFINED TERM, BUT IN NO CASE SHALL AN EXEMPTION BE GRANTED FOR AN UNLIMITED DUR DURATION.
AND MITIGATING ACTIONS MAY BE BE REQUIRED BY THE IPM COORDINATOR TO MINI MINIMIZE THE POTENTIAL IMPACT OF NON ON NON-TARGET ORGANISMS. SO THAT DEFINED TERM I SEE AS, UH, AN ABILITY TO SAY, TO HAVE THAT GOOD FAITH CONVERSATION WITH THE GOLF COURSE OR ANYBODY ELSE THAT APPLIES FOR IT AND SAY, WHAT IS THE, THE NECESSITY? WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE THREAT AND WHAT'S THE DURATION THAT'S NEEDED TO TAKE CARE OF THIS? AND I DON'T SEE THAT AS BEING NEEDED TO HAVE AN IMMINENT THREAT THAT'S RIGHT THERE AT THE DOOR AT THAT MOMENT.
I SEE THAT AS BEING, ESPECIALLY FOR THE, THE CIRCUMSTANCE OF THE GOLF COURSE AS WE KNOW THIS SPECIFIC THREAT EXISTS AND COULD OCCUR AT ANY POINT.
AND THIS IS THE TOOL THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT THREAT.
AND THAT, AGAIN, THAT THE EXEMPTION WOULD COME ALONG WITH THE NECESSITY FOR TRANSPARENCY ON WHEN THAT, UM, WHEN THAT CHEMICAL USE WAS, WAS TAKEN AND PART OF OUR REPORTING PROCESS.
YOU, YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEM IS IN THAT WE NOW HAVE A DOCUMENT THAT'S SUBJECT TO DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS.
UM, AND, AND THAT DOESN'T GIVE ME COMFORT.
UM, AND WHEN I READ THIS THING, IT SAYS, WHEN, WHEN, WHEN THE LESSEE, UM, FINDS, UH, DETERMINES THAT A, UH, AN EXEMPTION IS NECESSARY, THEY COME AND TALK TO US AND WE'LL GET TO IT BACK TO 'EM WHENEVER.
AND WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT, YOU KNOW, IT CAN HAPPEN ON A WEEKEND WHEN NO ONE'S AROUND AT CITY HALL.
AND, AND THE NEED IS, IS, IS URGENT BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL TRACK IT ALL OVER THE REST OF THE GOLF COURSE IF THEY DON'T.
SO, UM, I, AGAIN, I I THINK IF, IF THAT WAS THE INTENT HERE TO ALLOW PRE-CLEARANCE OF TREATMENTS, THAT'S NOT WHAT THE DOCUMENT SAYS.
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I THINK THIS NEEDS MORE WORK WITH RESPECT TO THE GOLF COURSE SITUATION OR ANY OTHER NON CITY ACTORS WHO ARE, AND I CAN'T THINK OF WHO THOSE WOULD BE.A A ANYWAY, THERE, THAT, THAT, YOUR ANSWER JUST CREATED MORE CONFUSION IN MY MIND.
SO LET ME TAKE A STAB AT THIS TOO SINCE, UM, I GET A CHANCE HERE.
UM, I, I CONCUR WITH YOU THAT THE EXCEPTIONS, UM, ARE ARE A LITTLE AMBIGUOUS ABOUT, UH, UM, INTENT.
AND, AND SO I WAS LOOKING AT IT AS WHAT'S NEEDED IS AN UNLIMITED DURATION EXEMPTION IN ADVANCE.
SO I CAN SAY THIS SEASON, IF YOU NEED THIS PRODUCT AT THIS TIME FOR THIS THING.
SO I THINK STRIKING THE TERM UNLIMITED DURATION WOULD, WOULD OPEN THE DOOR TO A, UH, PREVENTATIVE EXCEPTION.
SO I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THAT REGARD.
THEN I ALSO, UM, IN THIS WOULD SUGGEST THE MODIFICATION THAT SAYS IN THE EVENT, WELL, WELL, I WOULD JUST TAKE OUT IN THE EVENT AND SAY IF A PEST, AND, UM, IN THERE IT SAYS, CITY FACILITIES, I WOULD SAY CITY VENDORS OR FACILITIES.
SO THAT WE KNOW MEANS SINCE THERE IS ONLY ONE VENDOR, WE'RE SPECIFICALLY INDICATING THAT WHEN THESE PESTS THREATEN, THIS IS SOMEONE WHO NEEDS CARE AND ATTENTION COMMENTS, MR. MAYOR.
UM, SO THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S A VERY POSITIVE DEVELOPMENT.
CAN WE STIPULATE THAT THAT PROCESS IS ALLOWED TO PLAY OUT BEFORE IT'S APPLIED? THIS THING IS APPLIED TO, UH, TO THE GOLF COURSE? UH, IS, IS THERE AN EDITING YOU, YOU THINK YOU SEE AN EXCEPTION YOU WANNA PROPOSE? HMM.
IS THERE AN EDIT IN EXCEPTIONS THAT YOU THINK COVERS THAT? WELL, I'M, I'M GOING ON YOUR SUGGESTION RIGHT.
TO, TO HAVE A PROCESS AND THEN I'M, I'M JUST SAYING THAT COULD THAT PROCESS PLAY OUT BEFORE THIS POLICY IS APPLIED TO THE GOLF COURSE? OR IS THIS WELL, I, I WOULD LOVE TO CRAFT THE FINAL LANGUAGE TONIGHT AND MOVE ON.
AND SO MAYBE WE COULD SAY, UH, EXEMPTIONS MAY BE GRANTED FOR SINGLE APPLICATIONS OR PILOT COUNCIL OR PREVENTATIVE USE.
WE THROWS THE WORD PREVENTATIVE IN THERE, COUNCIL PRES.
SO I, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL'S THE CITY'S LEGISLATIVE BODY AND IT'S, IT'S ADOPTION AND IT'S COMMENTS WHEN IT TAKES A LEGISLATIVE ACT, OUR, OUR DIRECTION AND TO GUIDANCE FOR HOW STAFF AND IT, ANYONE ELSE NEEDS TO CONSTRUE ITS REGULATIONS.
AND I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THE PROVISION FROM THE LEASE, WHICH PROVIDES, I THINK, SIGNIFICANT FLEXIBILITY.
AND I THINK IT, IT'S PROBABLY UNDESIRABLE FOR US TO CHANGE THE IPMP, UM, JUST TO ACCOMMODATE THE, THE ROOSTER RUN SITUATION.
THE KEY PART OF THE LEASE LANGUAGE SAYS THE LESS HE AGREES TO COMPLY WITH THE CITY'S INTEGRATED PEST MANAGEMENT PLAN UPON ITS ADOPTION, HOWEVER, SO NOTWITHSTANDING IF THE LESSEE'S COMPLIANCE WITH THE IPMP HAS ADOPTED CAUSE LESS LESSEE'S SIGNIFICANT HARDSHIP, AND IT'S ALREADY SAID, IT'S ALREADY GONE RECORD SAYING THAT IT DOES, THEN THE PARTIES AGREE TO NEGOTIATE IN GOOD FAITH REGARDING ALTERNATIVE COMPLIANCE.
SO IF IT'S THE COUNCIL'S WISH, IF FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, AND I DON'T MEAN TO PRESUME, BUT IF, IF A MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO ADOPT THE IPMP AS IT IS, BUT MAKE SURE THAT IT, IT DOESN'T APPLY TO ROOSTER RUN UNTIL WE HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE COMPLIANCE WAIVER, IF YOU WILL, THAT ADDRESSES PROSPECTIVELY THESE PROBLEMS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THEN THAT CAN BE THE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION.
AND I DON'T EVEN THINK WE NEED TO CHANGE.
I MEAN, IT MAY BE THAT WE WANT TO COME BACK AND, AND, AND MAKE, MAKE THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILED THAN THE LEASE AND, AND MAYBE WE ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF THE WETLAND AT THE SAME TIME.
BUT FOR PURPOSES OF TONIGHT, IF THE COUNCIL IS HAPPY WITH THE IPMP, EXCEPT AS IT APPLIES TO ROO TO RUN AND I CAN'T THINK OF A COMPARABLE PROPERTY THAT WE OWN THAT'S MANAGED COMMERCIALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, MIGHT HAVE BEEN THAT THE FERRY GROUND IS THAT PROPERTY, BUT THANKFULLY IS NO LONGER THAT PROPERTY.
UM, SO IF, AND I'M A LITTLE TIRED TOO, AND I THINK YOU ARE.
SO HOPEFULLY I'M MAKING SENSE.
BUT, BUT I THINK, I THINK THIS IS DOABLE.
UM, IF, IF, IF THE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION IS TO TREAT, 'CAUSE WE ALSO, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF WE WANNA WORK WITH, UM, THE ROOSTER RUN TEAM IN THE SAME GOOD FAITH, I SEE THEM APPROACHING US TONIGHT, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE DESIRABLE TO JUST START
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WITH A BLANKET EXEMPTION 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT GONNA WANT ANYTHING BUT THE BLANKET EXEMPTION.BUT INSTEAD, IF YOU SAY, WELL, UM, WE WILL IN GOOD, IN GOOD FAITH WITH ROOSTER RUN, DEVELOP A PROSPECTIVE WAIVER THAT WE KNOW THERE'S A NEED FOR NOW AND THAT WE WON'T BE IN A POSITION TO ENFORCE THE IPMP UNTIL WE HAVE THAT.
BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY TRIGGERED THIS CLAUSE AND WE ALREADY NEED ALTERNATIVE COMPLIANCE FOR THEM.
SO IF THAT'S CLEAR AND, AND THE COUNCIL COULD, COULD, COULD INDICATE THAT IN ITS MOTION.
I THINK WE COULD BE SO, SO WOULD WE ADOPT THE, UM, PROPOSAL AS PRESENTED AND JUST PROVIDE THAT ADDITIONAL DIRECTION? WOULD THAT BE? YEP.
AND SO THE WORD, UH, NO UNLIMITED EXEMPTION STAYS THOSE WORDS STAY.
WHAT'S THE CHANGE? SO I, I GUESS THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THE MAKER OF THE MOTION WOULD ACCEPT A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO INCORPORATE MR. DALEY'S, UH, SUGGESTION? CAN YOU PARAPHRASE MR. DALEY'S? I'LL LET HIM PARAPHRASE.
OH, WELL, CAN YOU REPHRASE? UM, WHERE ARE WE EDITING THAT? THE, UM, THE I-M-P-I-P-M-P UM, WOULD NOT APPLY TO ROOSTER RUN UNTIL WE CONCLUDE GOOD FAITH NEGOTIATIONS REGARDING ITS ALTERNATIVE COMPLIANCE IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 13.9 OF THIS LEASE.
AND THAT'S THE MOTION BEING THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE STAFF REPORT.
THAT'S WHERE THAT EDIT COMES IN.
THE, THE, THE MOTION THAT'S BEING MET IS THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF EDITED AS SUCH.
THAT'S THE REQUEST FOR A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
IF, IF, IF COUNCIL MEMBER HEALEY'S CONCURRING, I'M, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO IMPLEMENT HERE.
SO IS THAT AN AMENDMENT OR IS THAT A CLARIFICATION? BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT IT WAS ALREADY, BECAUSE THEY'VE GONE ON THE RECORD SAYING THAT IT'S A SIGNIFICANT HARDSHIP THAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO THAT.
I'M JUST, JUST FOR MY OWN CLARIFICATION, IT'S UM, IT'S NOT AN AMENDMENT TO THE IPMP.
IT'S A RECOGNITION OF OUR NEED TO CONCLUDE GOOD FAITH NEGOTIATIONS WITH ROOSTER.
ARE WE GOOD ENOUGH HERE? OKAY, GOOD.
I'LL SAY, UH, YES TO THE POLICY THOUGH.
I WANTED TO ADD IN ANOTHER AMENDMENT, BUT I'LL, I'LL LEAVE AT THAT SINCE IT WAS ALREADY CALLED.
UH, LET'S DO THAT THEN I'LL SAY YES.
AND THAT CONCLUDES THIS ITEM AND, UM, AND OUR, AND OUR MEETING.