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          [CALL TO ORDER]
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          GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE FOR THURSDAY, MARCH 28TH, 2024. 
          UM, ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          MORNING, PRESENT. 
          BELTWAY. 
          YES. 
          COLD IRON ABSENT DIGGS. 
          HERE. 
          RIZZA SIMMONS, ABSENT CHAIR SMITH. 
          HERE WE HAVE QUORUM. 
          TODAY WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT OUR CITY OF PETALUMA COMMITTEE WORK INVOLVES THE UNSEATED LAND AND IS THE ANCESTRAL HOMELANDS OF THE COAST. 
          ME WALK PEOPLE. 
          WE WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS OUR GRATITUDE AND APPRECIATION TO THOSE WHO STEWARDED AND CONTINUE TO STEWARD THIS LAND. 
          WE PAY OUR RESPECTS TO THE PAST, PRESENT, AND EMERGING ELDERS AND CITIZENS OF THE COMMUNITY OF THE COAST ME WALK AND INVITE THEM TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS COMMITTEE'S COMMUNITY WORK HERE. 
          AND NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          UH, DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON ITEMS THAT ARE PUBLIC INTEREST THAT ARE WITHIN THIS COMMITTEE'S SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION, AND THAT ARE NOT LISTED ON THE CURRENT AGENDA. 
          PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON. 
          ARE THERE ANY SPEAKERS HERE FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT? DID YOU RECEIVE ANY COMMENTS ONLINE BEFORE THE MEETING WE RECEIVED? NO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS PRIOR TO THIS MEETING. 
          OKAY, THANKS. 
          UH, WE'LL CLOSE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT THEN AND MOVE ON TO AGENDA 
          [PRESENTATIONS]
ITEM ONE. 
          AND THIS IS, UM, GONNA BE PRESENTED BY OUR PUBLIC ART SPECIALIST, MELISSA ABERCROMBIE. 
          AND IT'S THE CLIMATE READY CAMPAIGN, BUS SHELTERS ART PROJECT. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          I HAVE THE PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE THE, THE WRAP UP FOR THE CLIMATE READY CAMPAIGN'S BUS, SHELTER, ART PROJECT. 
          THIS PROJECT, UM, WE WILL GO INTO DETAILS ABOUT IT, BUT WE'RE LUCKY THIS EVENING TO HAVE ONE OF THE CONTRIBUTORS IN OUR AUDIENCE, ALLIE, WHO HAS A PIECE AT THE LOU CASEY CENTER. 
          TONIGHT WE'LL DISCUSS THE PURPOSE, THE TRANSIT PLAN, THE ARTISTS SELECTED AND PARTNERS, AND THE INSTALLATION AND TAKEAWAYS OF THIS PROJECT. 
          IT WAS THE RESULT OF A COMMUNITY ARTS GRANT FOR THE PURPOSE. 
          THE BEST SHELTERS ART PROJECT WAS THE RESULT OF A CLIMATE READY CAMPAIGN'S DESIRE TO SUPPORT GOALS DETAILED IN THE CLIMATE EMERGENCY FRAMEWORK OF THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          THE BEST SHELTERS PROJECT FOCUSES ON TRANSPORTATION AS THIS WILL BE OUR GREATEST OBSTACLE TO MEETING CARBON NEUTRALITY 2030 GOALS. 
          THIS PROGRAM SUPPORTS GOALS OF ESTABLISHED PROGRAMS, INCLUDING COOL CITIES, THE GENERAL PLAN AND THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. 
          THE PROJECT FOSTERS A MULTI-DEPARTMENTAL PARTNERSHIP THAT HIGHLIGHTS COMMUNITY SERVICES AND PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION WHILE ELEVATING YOUTH VOICES THE TRANSIT PLAN. 
          THE BUS SHELTERS ART PROJECT WAS PRESENTED TO US BY CLIMATE ACTION MANAGER, RIHANNA FRANK, AS PART OF THE 20 21 20 22 COMMUNITY ART GRANT CYCLE, MARCH 24TH, 2022, THE PROJECT WAS GRANTED $4,800. 
          THE AWARD PROVIDED FOR $800 STIPENDS TO EACH OF THE ARTISTS SELECTED. 
          PARTNERING WITH THE PETALUMA ART CENTER, A STUDENT ART CONTEST WAS LAUNCHED FOR DESIGNS TO BE DIGITALLY PRINTED AND INSTALLED AT SIX PETALUMA BUS SHELTERS. 
          ORIGINALLY, THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ORIGINAL ART AT THE SHELTERS, BUT AS THE PROJECT PROGRESSED, WE REALIZED DIGITAL WAS THE BEST WAY TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          21 STUDENTS SUBMITTED DESIGNS FOR THE CLIMATE AND ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION THEMED INSTALLATIONS. 
          THE PETALUMA ART CENTER ASSISTED WITH THIS ARTIST SELECTION, TRANSIT MANAGER, JARED HALL, AND THE TRANSIT DEPARTMENT PROVIDED MATERIALS AND COUNTY SUPERVISED ADULT CREWS. 
          CREWS INSTALLED THE SELECTED DESIGNS. 
          WE WANNA THANK ARTISTS, ALEXANDRA MANN, AVA BETTY, JASMINE GOMEZ, RIA VERONICA NAVARRO, HARO ANNABEL TRUMP, AND RECKA HEALY. 
          THE PARTNERS IN THIS PROJECT INCLUDE THE CLIMATE ACTION CAMPAIGN, THE PETALUMA TRANSIT DEPARTMENT, PETALUMA PARKS DEPARTMENT, PETALUMA PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE, PETALUMA ART CENTER, AND COUNTY SUPERVISED CREWS. 
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INSTALLATIONS ARE LISTED HERE. 
          I'M NOT GONNA PROVIDE EVERY ADDRESS, BUT YOU'LL FIND THEM AT THE OUTLET MALL. 
          GRAY STREET ON EAST WASHINGTON, EAST WASHINGTON AT LAKEVILLE IN FRONT OF THE JC, UM, IN FRONT OF LOU CASEY AND IN FRONT OF DOLLAR TREE. 
          UM, FOUR OF THE PIECES ARE INSTALLED TO DATE. 
          TWO ARE STILL AWAITING INSTALLATION BECAUSE OF THE RAIN. 
          IT'S BEEN AN ONGOING CONFLICT WITH THE RAIN. 
          THIS, THIS YEAR, TAKEAWAYS FROM THE PROJECT, WE WERE REALLY FORTUNATE TO SEE MANY PARTNERS AT THIS, ESPECIALLY UNANTICIPATED PARTNERS LIKE THE COUNTY ADULT CREW. 
          THOSE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THEIR SERVICE FOR PAROLE, AND SO THEY'RE DOING THE INSTALLATION. 
          WHEN WE WERE FIRST PRESENTED THE PROJECT, UM, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SOMETHING THAT WAS TAKEN FROM THE LANGUAGE OF AN EAST BAY PROJECT AND WE FOUND THAT OUR BUS SHELTERS WERE NOT STANDARDIZED LIKE THEIRS WERE. 
          SO WE HAD SOME COMPLICATIONS WITH INSTALLATION, WHICH WAS THE TIMELINE CHANGE. 
          IT'S BEEN A COUPLE YEARS. 
          UM, YEAH. 
          AND SO WITH ARTISTS, OUR YOUTH ARTISTS GAINED VISIBILITY AS THEY SHARED THEIR MESSAGES ABOUT TRANSPORTATION AND THE CLIMATE. 
          IT FINANCIALLY, FOR A FAIRLY SMALL INVESTMENT OF $4,800, WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE FUNDS GO DIRECTLY TO THE ARTISTS WITH LIMITED STAFF NEEDS. 
          AND THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL PIECE THAT WAS RECENTLY, HUN. 
          AND AS SOON AS I GET PHOTOS OF THE OTHER TWO PIECES, I WILL SHARE THEM WITH THE COMMITTEE. 
          BUT I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT CERTIFICATES WERE MADE AND SENT OUT TO THE INDIVIDUAL ARTISTS. 
          MOST OF THEM HAVE RECEIVED PAYMENT OR IN THE PROCESS OF RECEIVING PAYMENT. 
          AND WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL FOR THEM AND THEIR VOICES AND ART TO BE SHARED IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION, AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. 
          AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR ARTWORK. 
          SO THIS IS A, UH, NOT A DISCUSSION ITEM, BUT, UM, YOUR, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBERS ARE FREE TO GIVE COMMENT, UM, TO EITHER STAFF OR TO THE ARTIST PRESENT IF YOU WANT. 
          I'D LOVE TO KNOW. 
          WHAT IS YOUR NAME? ALLIE. 
          ALLIE, OKAY. 
          AND WHERE IS YOUR, UM, ARTWORK? IS, IS IT UP YET OR IS IT STILL IN PROCESS? IT'S OUTSIDE OF . 
          OKAY. 
          I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE IT. 
          WHAT WAS YOUR INSPIRATION FOR YOUR ARTWORK? I REALLY LIKED THE PEDAL IN THE RIVER THAT RUNS, UM, RIGHT OUTSIDE MY HOUSE. 
          SO I INCLUDED THAT. 
          AND DID YOU SKETCH IT OUT FIRST OR DID YOU I DID A, A ROUGH DRAFT VERSION AND THEN I REDID THE . 
          WOW, THAT'S GREAT. 
          AND I'M JUST, SINCE I'M NOT SURE WHICH, WHAT'S YOUR MEDIUM? WHAT DID YOU USE? I USED, UM, A STRAIGHT DIGITAL ART. 
          OH, YOU DID? OKAY. 
          WOW. 
          IS YOURS THE ONE THAT HAS A BLUE BACKGROUND WITH SORT OF MORE GEOMETRIC OR IS IT MORE LIKE A PAINTERLY KIND OF THING? MORE OF A OKAY, GOOD. 
          I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR CONTRIBUTING IN SUCH AN INCREDIBLE WAY, . 
          THAT WAS, THAT WAS BRAVE AND, AND VERY WELCOMED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CONTRIBUTING TO OUR COMMUNITY AND CONGRATULATIONS. 
          I HAD A FEW, UM, COMMENTS OR OBSERVATIONS, UM, FOR STAFF. 
          UM, ONE, I GUESS A BRIEF QUESTION IS HOW LONG, MAYBE I MISSED THIS, HOW LONG THEY'LL BE UP, WHO MAINTAINS THEM? UM, IF THERE'S ANY MAINTENANCE AT ALL, THE TRANSIT DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO MAINTAIN THEM. 
          AND I'M NOT SURE OF THE TIMELINE JUST YET. 
          IT REALLY DEPENDS ON HOW LONG THEY LAST IS THE IMPRESSION I GOT WITHOUT GRAFFITI. 
          UM, THE PIECES ARE WEDGED BETWEEN PLEXI AND SO THEY HAD TO CREATE SOME NEW MATERIALS IN-HOUSE TO REALLY GET IT TIGHT. 
          SO I'M HOPING THAT IT CAN HAVE A LIFECYCLE, A LIFESPAN THAT FEELS LIKE EVERYBODY GETS TO SEE IT. 
          UM, I HAD REACHED OUT TO JARED AT THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING A FREE BIKE RIDE PERIOD ONCE, OR I'M SORRY, BUS RIDE PERIOD, ONCE THEY'RE ALL INSTALLED. 
          SO MAYBE EVERYBODY, IT'S LIKE AN OPEN AIR GALLERY WHERE EVERYBODY COULD RIDE THE BUS FOR FREE AND GO SEE ALL OF THEM. 
          SO THAT'S STILL IN DISCUSSION. 
          AND I WILL LET EVERYBODY KNOW AS SOON AS THAT'S SOMETHING THAT APPEARS REAL. 
          AND IT'D BE NICE TO KNOW, UM, WHEN THEY DO COME DOWN THAT AT LEAST YOU'RE NOTIFIED THEM. 
          SO IF THEY ARE IN, IN GOOD CONDITION THAT THEY MIGHT FIND A, A, A SECOND HOME AFTER THE FACT. 
          AND, UM, I THINK, I GUESS THE OBSERVATION IS, I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE, YOU SAID ABOUT THE BUDGET AND ABOUT REALLY WHAT, WHAT THAT DID FOR THIS COMMITTEE'S WORK. 
          UM, IT DIDN'T REQUIRE A LOT OF YOUR TIME, WHICH IS WONDERFUL, BUT THE FACT THAT IT TOOK TWO YEARS INDICATES THAT 
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SOMEWHERE IN THE PROCESS THERE, SOMETHING PROBABLY GOT GUMMED UP OR MAYBE A NUMBER OF THINGS GOT GUMMED UP, WHICH, AND WHO, WHO KNOWS WHERE THAT WAS. 
          AND IT'S BEYOND US, BUT MAYBE WE LOOK NEXT TIME WE ENGAGE WITH A, WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS TO TRY AND DO AS MUCH HOMEWORK AS WE CAN UPFRONT TO SEE WHAT THOSE POTENTIAL ISSUES COULD BE. 
          THOSE ARE ALL MY COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I HAVE A QUESTION, UM, AFTER THIS COMES DOWN. 
          IS THAT SPACE TYPICALLY RESERVED FOR ADVERTISING OR REVENUE MAKING STUFF IS AND SO THEY JUST OPENED UP A WINDOW IN THEIR SCHEDULE? YES. 
          TYPICALLY THERE'S ADVERTISING IN THERE. 
          A LOT OF TIMES THERE'S NOTHING ALSO, OR A MAP ON ONE WALL AND THEN NOTHING ON THE BACK. 
          SO IT'S NICE TO SEE THIS OPPORTUNITY. 
          I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'RE, HOW THEY'VE DONE THE FITTING WILL BE, WILL LEND ITSELF TO USING IT THAT WAY IN THE FUTURE. 
          BUT IT WAS AN INTERESTING ENDEAVOR. 
          JARED HALL IS STILL KIND OF ON THE FENCE IF THIS IS SOMETHING HE WOULD WANNA DO AGAIN, BECAUSE IT'S, THE REASON FOR THE DELAYS ARE MULTIFOLD. 
          IT'S THE FACT THAT THE BUS SHELTERS WEREN'T, NOT ALL OF THEM ARE CONSISTENT AND THEY DID NOT MATCH THE PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US. 
          AND SO SOME MORE FORETHOUGHT WOULD PROBABLY HELP. 
          WHEN WE'RE DOING THESE COMMUNITY ART GRANTS, WE'VE FOUND THAT SOMETIMES WE NEED THEM TO DELVE A LITTLE DEEPER. 
          WE'RE NOT AS SUCCESSFULLY HANDING OFF A PROJECT AS WE WOULD LIKE, BUT, UM, BUT THERE WERE GREAT TAKEAWAYS. 
          I FEEL LIKE THE COMMUNITY BUILDING INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT IS REALLY SOLID. 
          AND THERE WAS CHANGES IN MANAGEMENT, UM, WHEN RHIANNA STEPPED AWAY. 
          JARED IS NOT THE CLIMATE ACTION MANAGER, AND SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, HE STEPPED IN AND FULFILLED THAT ROLE REALLY SUCCESSFULLY TO THE BEST OF HIS ABILITY ON TOP OF HIS COMMITTED WORK. 
          SO I'M GRATEFUL THAT THIS PROJECT HAD FOLLOW THROUGH AND I'M GLAD IT IT CAME TO LIFE. 
          AND MAYBE BECAUSE IT WAS, YOU KNOW, A FAIRLY LOW SPEND, IT COULD BE A GREAT POTENTIAL EVERGREEN INSTALLATION SITE. 
          AND KNOWING WHICH SHELTERS ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT ALL THE SAME SPEC, YOU KNOW, THINGS SETTLE, THINGS CHANGE ON SITE, AND KNOWING HOW EACH ONE IS DIFFERENT, YOU COULD PLAN FOR THAT DOWN THE ROAD. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, EVEN SOMETHING SIMPLE WITH THE ARTWORK, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU PUT A BIG MARGIN ON THE OUTSIDE SO THAT YOU CAN CUT INTO IT WHERE THE SCREW IS. 
          UM, THAT'S NOT STANDARDIZED, BUT IT WOULD BE REALLY FUN TO EARMARK THIS IS AN ANNUAL OR A MONTH, YOU KNOW, ONCE A YEAR KIND OF ENDEAVOR. 
          AND WE PUT IT OUT TO THE YOUTH BECAUSE IT'S A GREAT PLATFORM FOR THEM. 
          AND, UM, IT WOULD CREATE A LOT OF EXPOSURE TO OTHER YOUNG, YOUNG BUDDING ARTISTS. 
          I THINK. 
          SO KEVIN, I WONDER SINCE THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH THE SPECIFIC SIZING OF THE, THE ACTUAL BUS STOPS, IF THERE WAS LIKE ANOTHER SURFACE THAT THIS COULD POSSIBLY GO ON, PERHAPS LIKE A TEMPORARY WINDOW COVER ON THE BUS OR SOMETHING, WHICH MIGHT BE MORE STANDARD IN THE FUTURE. 
          THAT'D BE COOL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          WITH THAT WE'LL CLOSE, UH, AGENDA ITEM ONE AND MOVE ON TO, UM, 
          [APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
NUMBER TWO, APPROVAL OF MINUTES. 
          ARE THERE ANY, UM, THANK YOU FOR COMING. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY SUGGESTED, UM, A AMENDMENTS MINUTES OR COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. 
          I, I, UM, I NOTED IN THIS CASE THAT I DIDN'T SEE LINKS TO THE, UM, TO THE VIDEO OF THE MEETING. 
          SO THERE ARE NO REFERENCES TO, UM, WHAT PEOPLE WERE ACTUALLY SAYING. 
          AND THERE'S, AND THERE'S A LACK OF DETAIL OR ANY SPECIFICITY ABOUT WHAT THEY, THE CONTEXT IS FOR THE DISCUSSIONS. 
          AND THAT'S BEEN THE CASE FROM TIME TO TIME THROUGH THE YEARS. 
          BUT IT'S, UM, SOME, WHEN IT'S THERE, IT'S, IT'S REALLY USEFUL TO BE ABLE TO GO BACK AND, AND REFERENCE WHAT WAS SAID AT A MEETING. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT OUR CURRENT AGENDAS WHERE THEY HAVE THE PAST MEETINGS OFFERED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE, YOU WILL FIND THAT WE HAVE A NEW SERVICE PROVIDER FOR THAT, WHERE YOU CAN SKIP TO AGENDA ITEMS IN THE VIDEO. 
          SO IT REALLY FULFILLS A LOT OF THAT. 
          LIKE, IT'S REALLY CONVENIENT TO BE ABLE TO SKIP RIGHT AHEAD, LIKE YOU JUST SELECT THE AGENDA ITEM AND THE VIDEO WILL SKIP TO THAT. 
          SO THE MINUTES WILL NO LONGER BE LINKED, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? ? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, CHAIR , I'M SORRY. 
          SO THE, UM, THE C WHEN WE LOOK AT IT ORGANIZATIONALLY, THE CITY CLERK SETS THE STANDARDS FOR BOTH CITY COUNCIL AND ALL OF THE COMMISSIONS, BOARDS AND COMMITTEES. 
          AND THE ADOPTED APPROACH FOR MINUTES, UM, FOR COUNCIL AND, AND THE CCBS IS TO PROVIDE JUST ACTION MINUTES AND THEN TO USE THE VIDEO AS, UM, BASICALLY AS THE CONTENT OR THE DETAIL. 
          SO ALL OF THE CCBS ARE TRANSITIONING 
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TO THE MORE STREAMLINED MINUTES, UM, THAT CREATES A MORE EFFICIENT PROCESS FOR THE CLERKS AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, THEN LEVERAGES THE INVESTMENT THAT THE CITY MAKES IN, IN RETAINING AND ARCHIVING VIDEOS. 
          SO I THINK WE'LL SEE PROBABLY THE LIMITED, THE MORE LIMITED APPROACH TO THE MINUTES WILL BE THE CONSISTENT FORMAT THAT THE CLERK HAS BEEN DIRECTED TO USE. 
          UM, ALL OF THE CLERKS HAVE ALL, UH, FOR ALL OF THE CCBS. 
          MAKES SENSE. 
          SO, GREAT. 
          SO WE'LL LOOK FOR, UH, IF YOU EVER NEED TO LOOK FOR WHAT WAS SAID DURING A MEETING, WE'LL GO DO THE VIDEO NOT TO THE MINUTES. 
          SOUNDS GOOD. 
          UM, MINUTES ARE APPROVED THEN. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO AGENDA 
          [PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION]
ITEM THREE. 
          UM, THIS IS, UM, GONNA BE SUBCOMMITTEE APPOINTMENTS AND AS WELL AS, UM, A DISCUSSION REGARDING, UM, SUBCOMMITTEE ROLES AND EXPECTATIONS. 
          AND THIS IS GONNA BE A DISCUSSION ITEM. 
          UM, WE'LL, UM, HAVE, UH, THE PUBLIC, UH, ART LIAISON, PUBLIC ART SPECIALIST TALK TO US ABOUT IT, PRESENT IT, AND THEN WE WILL BE ABLE TO ASK A FEW CLARIFYING QUESTIONS. 
          WE'LL OPEN IT TO PUBLIC COMMENT, AND THEN WE WILL ALL COME BACK AND DISCUSS. 
          MELISSA, I'M GOING TO JUST SPEAK FROM HERE SINCE I DON'T HAVE A FORMAL PRESENTATION. 
          I HAVE PROVIDED ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA, UM, STEVEN HUSS DOCUMENTATION OF COMMITTEE ROLES, SUBCOMMITTEE, AD HOC SUBCOMMITTEE ROLES, AND I'D ALSO, YES, CHRISTOPHER, THOSE DIDN'T HAVE TITLES ON THEM AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE ATTRIBUTIONS FOR WHO THE AUTHORS WERE. 
          SO CAN YOU DISTINGUISH, WHICH IS STEVEN HUSS AND WHICH IS SURE, SURE. 
          UM, I BELIEVE THEY BOTH DO AT THE BOTTOM OF THE ITEMS, BUT, UH, STEVE HUSS WAS THE FIRST ONE FROM 2019, THE FIRST ATTACHMENT A AND THEN, YEAH, AND THEN DAVID WARD'S ADDITIONS THAT WERE BASED ON COMMITTEE COMMENTS WERE ADDED IN 2022 TO A DISCUSSION. 
          AND IT WAS A, IT WAS ALSO PROVIDED IN THE NEW MEMBER HANDBOOK, SO I TOOK IT FROM THERE AND SHARED IT. 
          IT WAS NEVER A FORMAL DOCUMENT ASIDE FROM THE PARAGRAPH AND THE NEW MEMBER HANDBOOK. 
          SO RATHER THAN REITERATE ALL OF THOSE, I FIGURED YOU GUYS HAVE READ THEM AND I WAS HOPING THAT WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT THE PROJECTS WE HAVE CURRENTLY ACTIVE AND THEN TALK ABOUT WHO WOULD LIKE TO SERVE ON THOSE. 
          AT THIS POINT. 
          UM, I'VE STEPPED AWAY AS CHAIR FROM MY SUBCOMMITTEE APPOINTMENTS, SO THERE ARE SOME VACANCIES. 
          WE ALSO DON'T HAVE CHERYL HERE TODAY, OR HANNAH. 
          BUT AS I'D STATED BEFORE THE MEETING, UM, HANNAH IS OUR LIAISON FROM RECREATION, MUSIC AND PARKS, AND SHE'S WRAPPING UP THE END OF HER TWO YEAR COMMITMENT. 
          AND SO IT, IT WOULD PROBABLY NOT BE EFFICIENT TO HAVE HER ON A SUBCOMMITTEE AT THIS POINT. 
          AND WE MAY WANNA REVISIT THIS WHEN WE HAVE OUR TWO MEMBERS ADDED IN JULY WHEN WE GET TWO NEW MEMBERS APPOINTED TO THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE. 
          BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, ANNE POINTED OUT THAT WE ONLY HAVE HER SERVING ON THE MARY FULLER MCCHESNEY ACQUISITION. 
          RIGHT NOW WE HAVE RIVER ARCH 2.0, WE HAVE WOVEN STORIES, AND WE HAVE FINE BALANCE, WHICH ARE THE MAIN PROJECTS I WOULD RECOMMEND WE FOCUS ON FOR TONIGHT. 
          AND THEN IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT CAME, COMES OUT OF THIS DISCUSSION THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MEMBERS ON, I THINK THAT WE CAN AGENDIZE THAT FOR OUR NEXT MEETING WHEN WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE HERE. 
          ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? OKAY. 
          WE OPEN DISCUSSION. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO I WANT TO, UM, SO ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS OF STAFF BEFORE WE OPEN TO PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT WHAT THE PROCESS IS HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          WE'LL OPEN THIS TO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          I'M SORRY, THE TWO AGENDA ITEM, COMMENT, COMMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          DID YOU RECEIVE ANY COMMENTS AHEAD OF TIME? WE RECEIVED NO PUBLIC COMMENTS PRIOR TO THIS MEETING FOR THIS ITEM. 
          OKAY. 
          THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR DISCUSSION. 
          DID EVERYONE HAVE A CHANCE TO, TO TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DIGEST BOTH OF THESE AND FORM AN OPINION ON THEM? AND DOES ANYONE WANT TO LEAD WITH HIS OR HER THOUGHTS? I, MY MAIN THOUGHT WAS JUST WHAT COMM WHAT SUBCOMMITTEE IS THE MOST IN NEED RIGHT NOW? THAT WOULD BE OBVIOUSLY THE ONE THAT I WOULD THINK, YOU KNOW, I'D BE HAPPY TO DO, BUT I JUST WASN'T SURE WHAT THE SITUATION WAS FOR ANY OF 'EM. 
          HOW ABOUT, HOW ABOUT WE FRAME THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SORT, THE DOCUMENTS HERE ABOUT THE CONTENT, THE ROLES OF SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS, UM, TALK THROUGH THAT SO WE CAN GET A BETTER IDEA OF, 
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FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T SERVED, UM, ON A SUBCOMMITTEE OR HAS THE SUBCOMMITTEE THEY'VE SERVED ON, HASN'T BEEN ACTIVE SINCE THEY'VE STARTED, WE CAN TALK THROUGH THAT FEEL LIKE, HAVE A REALLY GOOD HANDLE ON WHAT THE LEVEL OF COMMITMENT IS, AND THEN WE CAN GET INTO THE DISCUSSION SPECIFICALLY ABOUT WHERE WE WANNA GO, UM, HOW WE WANNA POPULATE THESE SUBCOMMITTEES. 
          SO, UM, BASED ON THESE DOCUMENTS, DID YOU ALL COME UP WITH SOME IDEAS ABOUT, UM, SOME OPINIONS ON, ON WHAT'S WORKING AND WHAT'S NOT? YEAH, I DID. 
          I THOUGHT THEY WERE BOTH REALLY COMPREHENSIVE. 
          I APPRECIATED SEEING ALL THIS STUFF. 
          TO BE HONEST, I'D NEVER SEEN THIS BEFORE. 
          I DON'T REMEMBER EVER GETTING A HANDBOOK. 
          SO, UM, AND I'M SURE, YOU KNOW, IT CAME TO ME IN THE BEGINNING OF MY TENURE AND IT GOT LOST IN THE SAUCE. 
          BUT ANYWAY, IT WAS REALLY GREAT TO SEE IT ALL OUTLINED. 
          UM, ONE THING I NOTICED THAT WAS LACKING FOR ME WAS SORT OF BUDGET OVERSIGHT AND MANAGEMENT, WHICH I KNOW PROBABLY FALLS LARGELY ON INTO THE STAFF DOMAIN, BUT I FEEL LIKE AS A SUBCOMMITTEE, UM, MEMBERS HAVE A REAL RESPONSIBILITY TO MONITORING THAT. 
          AND, UM, I SEE A LOT IN HERE ABOUT CONCEPT AND PROCESS, BUT NOT A LOT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, FISCAL, UH, UM, RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE SUBCOMMITTEE. 
          SO I WANTED TO NOTE THAT AND SOMEHOW ADD THAT IN. 
          AND I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, I MEAN, THESE ARE GREAT SORT OF SWEEPING, UM, GOALS OF SUBCOMMITTEES, BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT A SUBCOMMITTEE NEEDS, NEEDS A LEAD. 
          AND WE NEED TO BE, UM, THERE NEED TO BE TASKS ASSIGNED ON SUBCOMMITTEE BECAUSE IT REALLY CAN'T FALL ALL TO ONE PERSON. 
          AND I FEEL LIKE WHAT HAPPENS A LOT IS THINGS KIND OF GET LOST IN THE TRANSLATION. 
          SO THERE'S USUALLY SOMEONE WHO'S RETAINING ALL OF THE KNOWLEDGE ON A PROJECT ALONG WITH STAFF. 
          AND THEN I FEEL LIKE IT NEEDS TO BE REALLY DIVERSIFIED AND EQUAL, UM, FOR ALL OF US TO FEEL ENGAGED AND, AND USEFUL. 
          AND I THINK IF THAT COMES THROUGH, THEN WE'RE ALL ACTUALLY GONNA PUSH HARDER FOR THE PROJECT TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I, I THOUGHT THE SAME THING. 
          I MEAN, JUST FROM BOARDS THAT I'VE STARTED, THE WAY THEY WORK IS IT SUBCOMMITTEES, IT'S JUST WHAT YOU SAID ONE PERSON IS DOING ON. 
          AND I WAS CURIOUS WHAT THE ACTUAL DELEGATION WOULD BE TO EACH MEMBER. 
          EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID. 
          I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT AND IT DIDN'T SEEM TO BE MISSING IN THE PAST. 
          UM, WHAT WAS THE FREQUENCY OF SUBCOMMITTEES MEETING REGULARLY OUTSIDE OF MONTHLY MEETING? WAS IT JUST AD HOC AND, OH, SORRY. 
          COULDN'T HEAR THAT. 
          SORRY. 
          . 
          UM, WHAT WAS THE FREQUENCY OF SUBCOMMITTEES MEETING OUTSIDE OF THIS MONTHLY MEETING? IT'S, I THINK IT'S BEEN VERY IRREGULAR. 
          IT'S REALLY PROJECT DEPENDENT. 
          UM, AND IT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE, WHEN THE PROJECT SURGES, YOU MIGHT FIND THAT THERE'S NEED FOR A SUBCOMMITTEE TO GET TOGETHER. 
          BUT I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS GOING FORWARD IS LIKE, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA HAVE PROJECT SUBCOMMITTEES AND WE MIGHT HAVE SUBCOMMITTEES FOR OTHER ENDEAVORS. 
          UM, BUT I THINK I'D LIKE TO PICK UP ON WHAT ANNE SAID ABOUT REALLY SPREADING, HAVING A LEAD PERHAPS, BUT ALSO SPREADING IT OUT, SPREADING THE DUTIES OUT. 
          AND, AND REALLY I WOULD ADVOCATE FOR, FOR TALKING REGULARLY. 
          OKAY. 
          LIKE EVEN IF THERE'S NOT SOMETHING TO, TO, TO GET ACCOMPLISHED, WHAT I THINK WHAT I MENTIONED AT OUR LAST MEETING DURING COMMITTEE COMMENT, WHAT I WOULD HOPE FOR IS THAT COMMITTEE COMMENT COMES IN TWO FORMS, UH, OR THE TWO COMPONENTS TO IT. 
          AND ONE OF THE COMPONENTS AS IT IS CURRENTLY IS TO REPORT ON, UM, SUBCOMMITTEE PROGRESS FOR THE PROJECTS THAT YOU'RE ASSIGNED TO. 
          HEY, IN ORDER TO DO THAT EFFECTIVELY, I THINK A SUBCOMMITTEE HAS TO TALK, RIGHT? THEY HAVE TO FACT FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          AND SO IN AN IDEAL WORLD, EVEN IF THERE'S A A, A FAIRLY STAGNANT PROJECT, UM, IF SOMETHING'S GONE ON, THE SUBCOMMITTEE KNOWS ABOUT IT, THAT EVERYONE ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE KNOWS ABOUT IT. 
          BECAUSE IF THERE'S A LEAD THAT PERSON'S IN TOUCH WITH THE, WITH STAFF AND THAT PERSON'S DISSEMINATING IT, IF THERE'S MORE WORK TO BE DONE, THEN YOU'RE ACTIVELY GETTING TOGETHER AND ACTIVELY AND DOING THE WORK OUTSIDE TO PUSH THE THING ALONG. 
          AND I THINK THAT THAT HAS SORT OF MANIFOLD BENEFITS BECAUSE IT TAKES THE BURDEN OFF STAFF, IT KEEPS US REALLY WELL INFORMED. 
          WE CAN BECOME REALLY GOOD ADVOCATES FOR THE PROJECT AT TIMES WHEN IT'S NEEDED. 
          AND, UM, YEAH, SO I WOULD BE, UM, I WOULD SAY I WOULD HOPE THAT IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT IN THE FUTURE, KEVIN, WHERE WE WOULD, WHERE WE WOULD BE MEETING REGULARLY AND TALKING REGULARLY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'VE ONLY BEEN PART OF A PART OF ONE SUBCOMMITTEE SO FAR, SO I'M STILL LEARNING THE ROPES, BUT, UM, ALL SOUNDS GOOD. 
          I'M REALLY EXCITED TO TAKE ON 
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A BIGGER ROLE AND JUMP ONTO SOME OF THESE OTHER SUBCOMMITTEES, HOPEFULLY. 
          I KNOW THEY'RE ALL, A LOT OF THEM ARE WRAPPING UP, BUT WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS. 
          SORRY. 
          AND I WOULD JUST ADD, I I THINK WE NEED TO, UM, ALONG THOSE LINES, YOU KNOW, SHARE COMMUNICATIONS, EMAIL COMMUNICATIONS THAT ARE HELPING MOVE THE, THE PROJECT FORWARD ON YOUR, ON YOUR SIDE, MELISSA. 
          UM, FOR VARIOUS REASONS. 
          BUT IF WE HAVE A HISTORICAL RECORD, THEN ANYONE ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE OR COMMITTEE FOR THAT MATTER CAN LOOK BACK AND SEE WHAT WAS DONE WHEN IT WAS DONE, WHO HAD, YOU KNOW, WHO WAS DOING IT. 
          THERE JUST NEEDS TO BE, UM, SOME RECORD KEEPING BECAUSE I THINK WE DO A LOT OF REDUNDANT CATCH UP WITH EACH OTHER WHEN WE COME TOGETHER MONTHLY. 
          AND WE, YOU KNOW, TELL ME WHAT THIS, YOU KNOW, WHERE'S, WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THIS PROJECT AND THAT PROJECT. 
          AND I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT, UM, THAT LEGACY OF, OF INFORMATION IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR EVERYBODY. 
          AND WHEN SOMEONE LEAVES THEIR POSITION HAS ENDED, THEN WE HAVE ALL THAT INFORMATION AND WE'RE NOT STARTING FROM SCRATCH. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE. 
          A LITTLE MORE DOCUMENTATION, NOT BUSY WORK FOR YOU, BUT MORE BUSY WORK FOR US. 
          'CAUSE IT WILL HELP IN THE LONG RUN. 
          I THINK I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I THINK I, I, AND I WOULD AGREE, I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST, UM, I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE ABOUT US SPECIFICALLY USING A TOOL THAT THE, THAT WE COULD, THAT THE COMMITTEE CAN SHARE AMONG, THAT THE AD HOC SUBCOMMITTEE CAN SHARE. 
          UM, I DON'T THINK, AND THAT WOULDN'T BE A VIOLATION OF THE BROWN ACT TO HAVE A DOCUMENT THAT'S SHARED AMONG JUST THE COMMITTEE, RIGHT? SUBCOMMITTEE, YES. 
          AS LONG AS IT'S SHARED JUST WITHIN THE SUBCOMMITTEE AND WITH STAFF. 
          AND THEN YOU CAN PRESENT YOUR FINDINGS AT OUR MEETINGS, WHICH ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. 
          AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO REMIND YOU ALL THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE FIVE ACTIVE MEMBERS, OR I'M SORRY, SIX ACTIVE MEMBERS ON THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE. 
          AND SO AT THIS TIME, I BELIEVE WE CAN HAVE TWO MEMBERS ON EACH SUBCOMMITTEE UNTIL WE ARE FULL. 
          AND THEN WE CAN HAVE SEVEN, OR I'M SORRY, THREE. 
          'CAUSE THEN WE WILL HAVE, WE WON'T BE GOING TOO FAR INTO HOW MANY MEMBERS WE CAN HAVE. 
          YEAH. 
          I BELIEVE THE THREE IS IN, WELL, TWO OR THREE IS IN REFERENCE TO WHAT THE BROWN ACT SAYS. 
          THAT IF YOU HAVE A GATHERING OF MORE THAN A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF MEMBERS, THEN THAT CONSTITUTES A MEETING. 
          AND SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO HOLD THAT IN PUBLIC SO THAT NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS OR THE SIZE OF THE SUBCOMMITTEES MAY FLEX BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF ACTIVE MEMBERS ON THE COMMITTEE AS A WHOLE. 
          AND THERE ARE NO STIPULATIONS AROUND HAVING DOCUMENTS LIVE ON THE CLOUD. 
          THERE'S NO SECURITY ISSUE WITH THE CITY OR ANYTHING. 
          I THINK LET US, LET'S, UH, REVIEW THAT AND GET BACK TO YOU. 
          YEAH, I, I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION AND THE NEED, SO I'D PREFER TO JUST RUN THAT THROUGH THE CITY CLERK AND, AND GAIN SOME CLARITY ON WHAT OTHER COMMITTEES MIGHT BE DOING AS WELL. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK ANOTHER THING TOO, IT'D BE GOOD TO, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS HELPFUL WHEN, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE RECRUITING PEOPLE TO SERVE ON THE COMMITTEE AS A WHOLE OR TO PARTICIPATE IN SUBCOMMITTEES TO HAVE A SENSE OF THE TIME COMMITMENT. 
          UM, BECAUSE OFTENTIMES PEOPLE WANT TO HELP, BUT THEY NEED TO FIT IT INTO THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, LIFE THAT THEY HAVE GOING ON. 
          AND SO IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO BE ABLE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THE EXPECTATION WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD MEET FOR AN HOUR AND A HALF ONCE A MONTH IF WE'RE WORKING ON, YOU KNOW, A SPECIFIC PROJECT WE MIGHT MEET LONGER. 
          BUT, UM, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO TALK THROUGH THAT. 
          SO I WOULD, I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE COMMITTEE TO THINK ABOUT, UM, EXPECTATIONS OF COMMITMENT THAT YOU COULD SHARE WITH SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS AND, AND TRY TO STICK TO THAT. 
          THEN I'VE ALWAYS SEEN SUBCOMMITTEES HAVE SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS. 
          THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THAT HOW IT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT CONSTITUTES BREAKING THE BROWN ACT? WHAT THE COMMUNICATIONS EXPECTATIONS, HOW THE COMMUNICATIONS ARE GONNA GO, HOW THEY'RE GONNA BE RECORDED IN THE TIME COMMITMENT. 
          AND THEN ANYONE WHO'S INTERESTED CAN JUST LOOK RIGHT THERE AND KNOW, YOU KNOW, I CAN EITHER DO THIS OR NOT. 
          AND IT SAVES A LOT OF TIME IN THAT CAPACITY. 
          BUT WHEN YOU HAVE IT SET WITH SPECIFICALLY WHAT THE COMMUNICATION, YOU KNOW, EXPECTATIONS ARE, THAT ELIMINATES A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS THAT COME BECAUSE EVERYBODY KNOWS, LIKE IT'LL BE, YOU KNOW, UNDOCUMENTED ON THE CLOUD OR WHATEVER IT IS, SO THE NEXT PERSON COULD STEP IN IMMEDIATELY TO THE ROLE AND BE ABLE TO FIGURE IT OUT. 
          AND AS LONG AS IT'S EXPLICIT, IT SHOULD BE, I MEAN, THAT SHOULD SOLVE ANY OTHER ISSUE THERE IS. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK IT'S HARD TO PIN ON TIME COMMITMENTS BECAUSE THE PROJECTS ARE ALWAYS IN FLUX. 
          YOU KNOW, LIKE ONE WAS VERY, VERY BUSY EIGHT MONTHS AGO, AND NOW WE'RE, WE'RE IN A HOLDING PATTERN. 
          AND THEN YOU LOOK AT THINGS THAT HAVE GONE BUS, BUS SHELTERS FOR TWO YEARS MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S A HUGE VARIABLE. 
          IT COULD BE ONE HOUR TO 20 HOURS A WEEK DEPENDING ON WHAT IT SAY DURING PARTICULAR TIMES. 
          IT'LL BE MORE DURING, BUT IT JUST, AS LONG AS IT SPELLS EVERYTHING OUT. 
          AND I, I WAS, UM, I, I APPRECIATE YOUR POINT BECAUSE WE RECENTLY CREATED A COUPLE OF SUBCOMMITTEES FOR PLANNING COMMISSION AND, UM, THE, THE SCOPE OF WORK OF EACH OF THEM WAS VERY IMPORTANT IN, 
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IN HELPING THE, THE SUBCOMMITTEE UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WERE CONVENING AND WHAT WAS EXPECTED OF THEM. 
          AND SO I THINK MAYBE AS A FIRST STEP FOR EACH SUBCOMMITTEE, IDENTIFY THAT PERSON WHO'S SORT OF GOING TO BE THE LEADER OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE OR THE, THE POINT OF CONTACT, BUT THEN ALSO JUST HAVE AT LEAST A BRIEF SCOPE OF WORK SO THAT EVERYBODY'S VERY CLEAR ON THE PURPOSE OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE, WHAT YOUR WORK IS. 
          AND THEN WHEN YOU DO DISBAND, RIGHT, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, ONCE YOUR WORK IS DONE, THEN YOU NEED TO, UM, YOU NEED TO CLOSE THE SUBCOMMITTEE AND, AND RELEASE PEOPLE OF, UH, THAT ADDITIONAL DUTY. 
          SORRY, UM, I HAVE A QUESTION IN THAT ALONG THE LINES. 
          IS THERE ANY PROJECT MANAGEMENT OR WORKFLOW TOOL THAT THE CITY USES THAT WE COULD HAVE OR, OR SHOULD HAVE ACCESS TO? UM, WE CAN GO AND CREATE OUR OWN THING, BUT IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR ARCHIVE REASONS OR WHATEVER WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE, IT MIGHT BE SMART FOR US TO, TO LOOK INTO THAT. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          I THINK EACH OF THE, YOU KNOW, DIVISIONS AND DEPARTMENTS HAVE THEIR OWN TOOLS BECAUSE OFTENTIMES, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHAT, WHAT PUBLIC WORKS DOES IN TERMS OF PROJECT MANAGEMENT IS VASTLY DIFFERENT THAN HOW PLANNING, YOU KNOW, MANAGES PROJECTS. 
          SO, BUT WE COULD LOOK AND, AND FIND A TOOL, UH, THAT WOULD WORK WELL FOR THE COMMITTEE, UM, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY IT BENEFITS, UH, STAFF AT WELL, UM, YEAH, SOMETHING THAT YOU STANDARDIZE  YEAH, LIKE A GANTT CHART OR SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE, THAT, THAT MIGHT BE A MISSING PIECE OF WHAT WOULD'VE BEEN HELPFUL ALL ALONG, RIGHT? UH, TO, TO SORT OF, YOU KNOW, SCOPE OUT SPECIFIC PROJECTS AND PUT THEM ON A TIMELINE AND THEN YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY START TO VEER OFF OF THAT TIMELINE, BUT YOU UNDERSTAND WHY, UM, AND, AND CAN THEN MODIFY AND RESPOND TO THAT. 
          SO I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AND SEE, UM, EVEN A A, A SIMPLE TOOL WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL. 
          YES. 
          I RECENTLY SHARED WITH ANN A WORKFLOW I CREATED. 
          CHRIS HAD SEEN IT ALSO FOR THE RIVER ARCH WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT 2.0 ACQUIRING THE BENCH AND WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO THERE. 
          SO I DO SEE THAT WE HAVE THE NEED FOR WORKFLOW CHARTS WHERE PEOPLE CAN LOG IN, CONTACT INFORMATION, ALL THE FACTORS, 'CAUSE THEY DO GET LOST IN THE DISCUSSION. 
          AS I GO AND LOOK OVER THE HISTORY OF DOCUMENTATION FOR PROJECTS, IT'S CHALLENGING TO FIND ONE PLACE WHERE YOU CAN FIND ALL OF THE INFORMATION. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE KEY FOR US TO REALLY HAVE DEMONSTRATIVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT OUR SUCCESSES AND FAILURES WERE, HOW TIMELINES CAN BE SOLIDIFIED BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE IMPORTANT IN OUR FUTURE CONTRACTS TO REALLY HAVE TIMELINES THAT ARE EFFECTIVE AND TIED INTO THE PAYMENT STRUCTURE SO THAT WE CAN HIT THESE GOALS. 
          UM, WE'LL HAVE A LARGER DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT AT SOME POINT. 
          I HAVE TO SPEAK WITH ANDREW MORE ABOUT WHAT, WHAT ARE THE TOOLS WE ARE CAPABLE OF USING. 
          I I THINK IT WILL BE KEY FOR DOCUMENTATION AND FOR EFFECTIVENESS. 
          YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD SIMPLY SAY AT THIS POINT TO DO THE RESEARCH ON WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE AVAILABLE, WHAT YOU WOULD RECOMMEND, BUT ALSO THEN LEAVE IT TO EACH SUBCOMMITTEE TO CHOOSE THE TOOL THAT THEY THINK SERVES THEM BEST FOR A SPECIFIC PROJECT. 
          UM, AND THAT COULD BE JUST A SHARED GOOGLE DOC, IT COULD BE A SPREADSHEET, IT COULD BE A GANTT CHART THAT YOU ALL SUPPLY, THAT YOU KEEP TRACK OF, UM, THAT WE CAN LOOK AT. 
          BUT, OR ANY COMBINATION OF THOSE, OR MAYBE NOTHING AT ALL, BUT IT'S SOMETHING WHERE, UM, OR MAYBE THERE'S JUST A PERSON WHO LOVES TO TAKE NOTES THE WHOLE TIME. 
          UM, ALL RIGHT. 
          SO ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON, ON PROCESS, THE WAY, THE WAY SUBCOMMITTEES WORK? UM, I DO HAVE ONE MORE NOTE IS THAT, UM, WHEN I'VE SERVED ON OTHER COMMITTEES, PARTICULARLY THE PARKS COMMISSION, THE PARK, I'M SORRY, RECREATION, MUSIC AND PARKS COMMITTEE, WE WOULD DO SITE VISITS TO THE PARKS AS COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO GO AND MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S FUNCTIONING. 
          AND WE TOOK IT OF OUR OWN ACCORD TO JUST MAKE THINGS LOOK, MAKE SURE THINGS LOOKED GOOD. 
          SO WHEN WE DID COME TO A MEETING, WE HAD APPROPRIATE QUESTIONS. 
          RIGHT NOW WE RELY HEAVILY ON PUBLIC INPUT OR SOMEBODY TELLING STAFF IF A PIECE HAS HAD SOME DISRUPTION TO IT. 
          AND SO IT'D BE REALLY HELPFUL IF YOU ARE OUT AND ABOUT TO TAKE NOTE OF ANY OF THE PIECES IN OUR COLLECTION. 
          I AM UPDATING OUR COLLECTIONS LIST ON THE WEBSITE. 
          THERE'S, OVER THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS THERE WILL BE UPDATES TO OUR WEB PAGES. 
          AND SO I, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK THERE FOR RESOURCES, ESPECIALLY ALL OF THESE DOCUMENTS THAT I'VE PROVIDED YOU IN SOME FORM OR AVAILABLE THROUGH OUR WEBSITE SO YOU CAN READ THE ORDINANCE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT'S QUESTIONABLE TO YOU. 
          A LOT OF IT IS AVAILABLE THERE, BUT I'LL BE ORGANIZING IT IN A SLIGHTLY MORE USER FRIENDLY WAY IN THE FUTURE. 
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OKAY. 
          SO CAN I GET A CLARIFICATION THEN ON THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT CAN BE ON SUBCOMMITTEES GIVEN OUR CURRENT, UM, TWO MM-HMM,  TWO CURRENTLY. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT, WELL THEN LET'S MOVE ON TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE APPOINTMENTS AND UM, IS THERE AN ORDER YOU'D LIKE TO MOVE THROUGH ON? DOES IT MATTER TO YOU? I AM COMFORTABLE WITH WHATEVER ORDER YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE, I JUST THINK AT THIS MOMENT, UM, MARY FULLER MCCHESNEY PIECES ARE PROBABLY THE MO THE PRIMARY CONCERN RIGHT NOW AND RIVER ARCH. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO SOME PEOPLE MIGHT NOT BE REALLY FAMILIAR WITH WHAT'S GOING ON WITH WITH THOSE PROJECTS, SO MAYBE WE COULD DO, MAYBE WE COULD JUST TALK THROUGH THE BASICS OF THEM FIND AND, AND IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE AT SORT OF AT THE BEGINNING MAYBE OF, OF ONE  AND, UH, AND VERY MUCH AT THE END OF ANOTHER. 
          UM, SO SURE. 
          I'M HAPPY TO GIVE A CLIFF NOTES AND WE'LL FIND OUT MORE IN MY PROJECT STATUS REPORT. 
          UM, MOST OF IT WAS UPDATED, SO IF YOU READ IT, YOU WOULD'VE FOUND WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE PROJECT. 
          BUT, UM, WE'LL START WITH MARY FULLER MCCHESNEY. 
          UM, I'M IN CONVERSATIONS WITH SPRING MAXFIELD WHO DAVID WARD WAS GETTING A COMMITMENT FROM, OR AT LEAST A BID TO MOVE PIECES FROM THE ASTRO MOTEL AND FROM DENNIS CALIBRI KBIS ESTATE. 
          WE HAVE FOUR EIGHT PIECES AT THE ASTRO AND I BELIEVE SIX AT DENNIS'S. 
          OF THE 14 PIECES WE ACQUIRED, HER AND I ARE GOING TO MEET AT THE ASTRO NEXT WEEK TO DISCUSS THE PIECES. 
          SPECIFICALLY WHAT'S REQUIRED AT THIS POINT IS WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO DO A LITTLE REFLECTION ON OUR SITES THAT WE HAD CHOSEN. 
          UM, SPRING HAS MADE IT CLEAR THAT THE VERMICULITE IS VERY HARD TO WORK WITH WHEN IT'S OUTDOORS, SO WE COULD LOOK AT SOME OF THE MORE DELICATE PIECES AND CONSIDER SPACE THAT'S UNDER AN AWNING OR IN PUBLIC SPACE LIKE LE KC. 
          SO THE SUBCOMMITTEE MIGHT WORK ON THAT. 
          UM, THEY'RE GOING TO BE WELCOME TO ATTEND MY MEETING WITH SPRING NEXT WEEK, AND AS SOON AS I HAVE THAT TIMED, I WILL SHARE IT WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS. 
          RIGHT NOW WE'RE ALSO LOOKING FOR POTENTIAL STORAGE FOR WHERE THOSE PIECES MIGHT LIVE, PENDING INSTALLATION, WHEN WE HAVE MORE BUDGET AVAILABLE, ANOTHER CONSIDERATION IS TO POTENTIALLY DO SOME KIND OF EVENT PARTNERSHIP WITH AN ORGANIZATION WHERE WE COULD ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO SPONSOR INSTALLATION OF A PIECE IN A DESIGNATED LOCATION SELECTED BY THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE. 
          SO THESE ARE TWO OR THREE THINGS THAT ARE PRETTY, PRETTY NEARING IN PROJECT ENERGY IT SOUNDS LIKE. 
          UM, SOME OF THOSE IN SOME OF THOSE INSTANCES, SUBCOMMITTEE ME COMMITTEE MEMBERS CAN GET IN AND ACTUALLY DO WORK. 
          YES. 
          ON THOSE. 
          WELCOME. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WE REALLY WANT A HOLISTIC APPROACH TO THIS. 
          ANN AND I WERE ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE BEFORE AND I FEEL LIKE WE WERE, WE WERE REALLY PROACTIVE, BUT BY GETTING THESE CONDITION REPORTS FROM THE PERSON WHO MOST RECENTLY HANDLED THE PIECES, I FEEL LIKE WE REALLY SHOULD LISTEN TO THEM AS AN AUTHORITY ON WHERE PLACEMENT WOULD BE IDEAL. 
          I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA REFLECT ALL OF THE PIECES, BUT WE SHOULD CONSIDER IT FOR FINE BALANCE. 
          UM, VERY EXCITING. 
          WE ARE HAVING OUR PRE-CONSTRUCTION MEETING ON APRIL 4TH WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND BRIAN AND HIS CONTRACTOR BRIAN PERLOFF UPCOMING THINGS THAT WOULD BE OF NOTE FOR THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE WOULD BE BIDS FROM SOLAR COMING IN. 
          WE'VE HAD AN OFFERING FROM PEOPLE KNOWLEDGEABLE WITH THE PROJECT TO CREATE A FUNDING MECHANISM POTENTIALLY WITH RE WITH, UM, ON THE NONPROFIT COMMUNITY. 
          WE HAVEN'T IDENTIFIED EXACTLY WHO YET, BUT THEY COULD HOLD THE MONEY AND USE IT FOR SITE REPAIRS AND POTENTIALLY FUNDING A SOLAR ARRAY. 
          AND SO WE'RE LOOKING INTO BIDS FOR THAT. 
          UM, AS SOON AS THEY BECOME COMPLETE, WE CAN SHARE THEM AT OUR NEXT MEETING AND MAKE YOU ALL AWARE OF WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON. 
          UM, FINE BALANCE WILL BE, WE HAD OUR SITE VISIT RECENTLY AND KEVIN AND ANNE WERE ABLE TO ATTEND WITH MYSELF AND I'LL HELP PRESENT PICTURES LATER, BUT IT'S REALLY BECOMING, UH, IT'S BECOMING REAL AFTER SEVEN YEARS AND SO IT'S KIND OF AN EXCITING TIME TO ATTACH YOURSELF TO THAT PROJECT. 
          THERE'S POTENTIAL OF AN UNVEILING CEREMONY THAT WOULD BE OUTSIDE OF STAFF, BUT NEAR SITE AS A PARTNERSHIP WITH A BUSINESS OR ORGANIZATION NEARBY. 
          SO I THINK IT'S, IT'S VERY EXCITING AND I THINK IT'D BE SOMETHING FUN AT THIS POINT IN THE PROCESS TO BE ON THAT SUBCOMMITTEE. 
          UM, RIVER ARCH 2.0, 
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WE ARE, UM, WE'VE PURCHASED THE BENCH, IT'S STILL IS AT VAN BBER. 
          WE ARE WAITING FOR A BID TO COME THROUGH OF WHAT INSTALLATION MIGHT COST THAT'S BEEN DELAYED FOR MONTHS, SO I NEED TO FOLLOW UP FOR A THIRD TIME AND SEE, SEE IF IT'S COMING IN. 
          AND THEN WE ARE ALSO WAITING FOR KEN STEAD TO SEE IF GO SONOMA FUNDING COULD HELP WITH GRADING FOR THE PROJECT. 
          HE STATED THAT IT VERY LIKELY COULD AND THAT FUNDING WOULD BECOME AVAILABLE IN JULY. 
          SO WHILE THIS WOULDN'T BE SUPER ENERGIZED IMMEDIATELY BECOME SUMMER, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA BE WORKING QUICK TO MAKE SURE WE CAN BE A PART OF THAT AND THAT WE'RE PREPARED FOR THAT. 
          UM, AND WOVEN STORIES. 
          INSTALLATION IS LOOKING LIKE THIS SUMMER WE'RE WAITING FOR RUDY CALDERON TO, HE'S JUST HIRED HIS ENGINEER AND RECEIVED HIS SECOND TO THE LAST PAYMENT AND THE ENGINEER IS LOOKING TO CREATE THE WET STAMP PLANS FOR APPROVAL AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT A TIMELINE, BUT IT'S LIKE, IT'S LOOKING LIKELY THIS SUMMER. 
          AND SO THAT IS PROBABLY GONNA BE A LITTLE QUIET OF A COMMITTEE ASSIGNMENT, BUT AGAIN, YOU MIGHT BE REACHING OUT TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ABOUT THEM SUPPLYING AN UNVEILING EVENT OR STUDENT INVOLVEMENT IN THE PROCESS. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD PLACE TO START FOR YOU GUYS. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO I WOULD ADD, UM, A LOT OF DIFFERENT EMPHASIS TO TO TO SOME OF THOSE WHERE, WHERE WE'D BE, UH, WHERE THE SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS COULD REALLY GET SOME TRACTION AND DO SOME SUBSTANTIAL WORK. 
          UM, A LOT OF IT, UH, IS, WILL BE DEVELOPING I THINK WHEN IT COMES TO LIKE WOVEN STORIES. 
          UM, THERE COULD BE, UM, A LOT THAT WE DO IN THE WAY OF TRYING TO SUPPORT THE SORT OF INSTALLATION OR UNVEILING OF THIS THING IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE COMMUNITY. 
          BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, THERE PROBABLY ISN'T A WHOLE LOT. 
          UM, I FORGOT TO MENTION KENNELWORTH, WHICH IS ACTUALLY, I'LL BE SPEAKING TO YOU LATER ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT'S STARTING TO, UM, MIG IS PUT THEIR PROPOSAL TOGETHER AND WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A JOINT MEETING WITH THE RECREATION MUSIC AND PARKS COMMITTEE. 
          UM, IT'S GONNA BE MAY, I'M SORRY, APRIL 17TH. 
          AND SO THAT WILL TAKE PLACE IN CANCEL CHAMBERS AND WE WILL HAVE THAT PRESENTATION AND THERE WILL BE SOME ACTIVITY AROUND THAT IN THE COMING YEAR TO TWO YEARS. 
          THAT'S WHEN WE'RE IMAGINING PROJECT COMPLETION. 
          SO I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          SOME OF THE SUBCOMMITTEES, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY HAVE THREE PEOPLE ON THEM. 
          DO WE NEED TO PULL PEOPLE OFF BECAUSE OF BROWN ACT AND REALLOCATE? DOES ANYONE, WHICH ONE HAS THREE PEOPLE IN IT THIS POINT? I THOUGHT, UM, I THINK THAT'S YOU AND KEVIN. 
          OH, I BELIEVE, AND YOU IT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO LET'S GO THROUGH THESE. 
          UM, UH, STARTING WITH FINE BALANCE AND BALANCES, SORT OF THE, UH, THE LONG RUNNING FLAGSHIP PROJECT OF, OF NOT ONLY THIS COMMITTEE, BUT THIS COMMUNITY ALMOST LIKE EVERYONE'S GOT THEIR HEART IN IT. 
          SO IT'S GONNA BE, UH, IT'S GONNA BE PRETTY AWESOME. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL IT, SORT OF LIKE ENERGY GENERALLY AROUND THAT PROJECT. 
          AND I, UM, I PROBABLY, MY GUESS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA TURN OFF THIS COMMITTEE IN A LITTLE BIT AND I'M ON THIS SUBCOMMITTEE AND I'M ON A FEW OTHER SUBCOMMITTEES AND I'M, AND I'M HOPING TO PROBABLY BACK OFF NOW OR SOON AS WE GET SOMEONE ELSE TO STEP IN SO THEY CAN GET SOME, THEY CAN GET UP TO SPEED AND I'D BE WILLING TO SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, GIVE AS MUCH BACKGROUND AS I CAN. 
          THESE THINGS WE'RE PROJECTING, THE PROJECT WILL BE INSTALLED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SUMMER, SO YOU WILL STILL BE ON THE COMMITTEE WHEN THE PROJECT IS COMPLETED IF EVERY, IF THE STARS ALIGN. 
          SO THAT JUST A REMINDER. 
          YEAH, I WON'T COUNT ON IT, BUT, UH, OH, I'M TOTALLY COUNTING ON IT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO, UM, YEAH, SO FINE BALANCE, UM, YOU HEARD FROM MELISSA, KIND OF ROUGHLY WHAT'S INVOLVED THERE. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE COMMENTS OR, OR QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, WE'D BE, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT DOES ANYONE WANT TO, UH, BE PART OF THAT? THAT, UM, AND THAT WOULD BE EITHER, UM, IN THIS CASE ANN IS DEFINITELY ON THE PROJECT AND I CAN STEP OFF THE PROJECT IF SOMEONE ELSE WANTS TO GET ONTO IT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND IF, BUT THERE ARE PLENTY OF OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TOO, SO I'M NOT PUTTING YOU ON THE SPOT. 
          WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK TO IT OR YOU COULD JUST SAY, I'M NOT INTERESTED, YOU KNOW, I'M HESITANT TO JUMP INTO IT BECAUSE IT'S THE FIRST SUBCOMMITTEE THAT WE'RE GETTING TO AND I DON'T WANNA FORCE 
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YOU OFF, BUT IT IS ALSO A MONUMENTAL INSTALL THAT I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE MY NAME OR MY FOOT MY LITTLE TOUCH ON. 
          UM, SO I'D LOVE TO JOIN IT IF, IF YOU'D LIKE THAT. 
          YES. 
          OKAY, AWESOME. 
          IF YOU'D SO THAT, ALRIGHT, SO THAT WOULD BE, UM, KEVIN MERINGUE IN FOR CHRISTOPHER SMITH. 
          AND THEN WHAT WE CAN DO IS LIKE IF WE GET A WELL, WE WON'T GET ANOTHER APPOINTMENT. 
          UM, SO I WOULD RECOMMEND FOR NOW YOU JUST STAY ON CHRIS, TRY AS YOU MIGHT AND MAYBE COME OFF A DIFFERENT ONE JUST TO SEE THIS THROUGH, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE YOUR COMMUNITY WILL, THAT YOU'VE DONE FOR THE PROJECT MIGHT BE, BUT YOU'RE WELCOME TO DO WHAT YOU'D LIKE. 
          MAYBE I JUST MADE THAT MORE COMPLICATED THAN NEEDED TO BE SUGGESTING THAT, UM, KEVIN, CAN WE RESCIND THAT OFFER FOR YOU TO GET ON IT? BECAUSE I JUST GOT COUNSEL FROM OUR, FROM OUR, I WOULD HATE TO BE VIEWED AS AN INTERLOPER. 
          SO IT'S BACK TO YOU . 
          OKAY. 
          WHO IS THE THIRD WHO IS ON IT WITH CHRIS RIGHT NOW? IT WAS, OKAY, SO WE HAVE ANN AND CHRIS. 
          IT'S OFF MY PLATE. 
          OKAY, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL, THAT WAS LIKE THE SHORTEST SUBCOMMITTEE APPOINTMENT. 
          YEAH, THAT WAS EASY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I'M UP TO TWO NOW. 
          , THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. 
          I APOLOGIZE. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE TAKE NOTE OF WHAT YOU HAVE DONE, LIKE JUST FOR EFFICIENCY, BUT WE ALL CAN WORK ON IT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO, UM, SO THEN WE'LL LOOK AT A SUBCOMMITTEE THAT, THAT ACTUALLY NEEDS AN APPOINTMENT RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS MARY FULLER CHESNEY'S WORK. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THE, THE CURRENT COMMITTEE MEMBER WHO'S SERVING ON THAT IS ANN DIGS YOU'D BE WORKING WITH. 
          HI, I'M ACTUALLY VERY INTERESTED IN THAT SUBCOMMITTEE. 
          ALL RIGHT, KEVIN. 
          UM, ARE YOU GONNA DEBATE THAT OR YOU GONNA, UM, NO. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          THANK YOU THOUGH. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          JENNY BWAY IS GONNA BE ON THE, UH, SUBCOMMITTEE WITH ANNE. 
          DO WE HAVE A READ ON WOVEN STORIES INSTALLATION DATE? BECAUSE THAT'S CHANGED, UM, SO MUCH THAT UH, THAT THE, THE CRUCIAL PART OF THAT IS GONNA HA WHEN THAT HAPPENS, I WILL OR WON'T BE ON THE COMMITTEE. 
          SO IT'S LIKE, IT'S UNCLEAR. 
          THAT ONE'S PROBABLY A, A GOOD ONE IF YOU DO WANNA STEP AWAY FROM SOME I'M, I'M NOT SURE THAT IT WILL CERTAINLY HAPPEN IN YOUR TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL, I THINK WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL, I'LL, I'LL REMAIN ON THAT ONE WITH, UM, COMMITTEE MEMBER COLD IRON AND SEE IT THROUGH UNTIL SUCH TIME THAT WE FIND THAT IT, IT'S GOING TO PUSH PAST THE TIME WHEN I TURN OFF AND THEN SOMEONE ELSE WILL JUST PICK IT UP BECAUSE THAT SHOULD BE RELATIVELY STRAIGHTFORWARD. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST A BURST OF WORK. 
          YEAH. 
          AND AND MY IMPRESSION OF WOVEN STORIES IS THERE'S NOT A LOT OF DECISION MAKING LEFT, IT'S REALLY JUST IMPLEMENTATION OF DECISIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE. 
          UM, YEAH, I THINK MY, THE VISION I HAD WAS SOMEHOW THE, THE, THE PETALUMA, UM, SCHOOLS, UM, SAYING WE, WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING AND WE REQUIRE THE SUPPORT. 
          WE'RE ASKING FOR THE SUPPORT OF THE, UM, OF THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE DURING THE SUMMER WHEN SCHOOL'S OUT TO BE ABLE TO PRODUCE SOME SORT OF AN EVENT. 
          AND THE LEGWORK INVOLVED IN THAT I THINK HAS BEEN DEMONSTRATED TO BE, YOU KNOW, AT TIMES, YOU KNOW, NOT, NOT IN INCONSEQUENTIAL. 
          SO THAT WAS THE IDEA, BUT, UH, MAYBE WE WILL TURN INTO SOMETHING DIFFERENT WHERE WE DON'T HAVE TO DO MUCH AT ALL. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, SO I'D LIKE TO GO THEN TO THE RIVER ARCH AND THIS IS THE, UM, THIS IS THE SCULPTURE THAT'S COMPLETED, BUT THE, UH, THE ANCILLARY PARTS THAT ARE, THAT THE COMMITTEE HAS PURCHASED, UM, AND ARE WAITING TO BE, UM, INSTALLED ARE ONE COMPONENT OF THAT. 
          AND THEN SOLVING A LIGHTING COMPONENT IS ANOTHER PART OF THAT. 
          AND THEN THERE IS A, THERE'S AN, AS YOU'VE HEARD BEFORE, THERE'S A COM THERE'S A COMPLEMENTARY PART OF THAT PROJECT WHICH DOES NOT INVOLVE THE, THE ACTUAL UM, PET A PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE, BUT IT WAS A MORE COMMUNITY-BASED SITE IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. 
          AND SO THE, THAT WILL I GUESS EXIST CONTINUE TO EXIST OUTSIDE OF THIS COMMITTEE. 
          BUT, UM, SO, BUT I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I'VE BEEN DOING THAT I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE OFF OF BECAUSE THAT I THINK IS GOING TO, BASED ON THE GRANT FUNDING THAT MELISSA TALKED ABOUT, UM, THE SENIOR TRAFFIC ENGINEER KEN IADT TRYING TO GET TO DO THE SITE IMPROVEMENTS THAT MIGHT, THAT WORK MIGHT BE DONE IN CONJUNCTION WITH, WITH THE WORK THAT THIS COMMITTEE WANTS TO DO, WHICH IS THE INSTALLATION OF THE BENCH IN THE FRAGMENTS AND STUFF. 
          SO, WHICH MIGHT PUSH IT TILL LATER THAT 
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LATER THIS YEAR. 
          SO I THINK IT WOULD BE BOLSTER TO HAVE SOMEONE ELSE ON THAT SUBCOMMITTEE. 
          YOU FOLLOWING THAT? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I WOULD LIKE TO JOIN THAT COMMITTEE IF UM, YOU'RE WILLING TO GET ME UP TO SPEED AND UH, JUST YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          SOUNDS GOOD. 
          YEAH, SOUNDS GREAT. 
          KEVIN MORANG ON THE RIVER ARCH SUBCOMMITTEE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY . 
          DID YOU WANT TO FORM ANY OTHER SUBCOMMITTEES AT THIS TIME BASED ON, I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          , WOULD YOU LIKE TO FORM ANY OTHER SUBCOMMITTEES AROUND OTHER OUTSTANDING PROJECTS THAT YOU THINK ARE OF NOTE? WHAT I WAS THINKING WAS ANN'S SUGGESTION OF THE BUDGET AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE BEEN IN CONVERSATIONS FOR THE TRAFFIC CALMING PUBLIC ART STREET PAINTING. 
          I'VE GONE TO A COUPLE OF MEETINGS FROM THAT. 
          BUT IF THERE WAS SOMEBODY WHO WANTED TO GO TO THOSE MEETINGS ON BEHALF OF PUBLIC ART AND FILL THE COMMITTEE IN ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT, THAT WOULD BE VERY USEFUL. 
          THEY TEND TO BE LIKE MIDWEEK ONE O'CLOCK MEETINGS, SO THEY'RE A LITTLE HARD TO GET TO. 
          BUT I WANNA BE FAIR IF, IF YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO BE INVOLVED IN THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT DAVID HAD BEEN WORKING ON. 
          AND THEN I THINK THAT'S IT, JUST THAT IN THE, CAN I GET CLARIFICATION ON WHAT YOU, YOU MENTIONED, UM, REGARDING THE BUDGET, YOU SAID YOU, YOU SAID, I'M SORRY, COULD YOU REPEAT THAT? YOU MENTIONED A SUBCOMMITTEE REGARDING A BUDGET, HOW ANNE BROUGHT UP THAT SHE WOULD LIKE, UM, SOMEONE TO SUPERVISE THE FUND AS A SUBCOMMITTEE IN YOUR COMMENTS EARLIER. 
          OH NO, I'M SORRY, I WAS UNCLEAR. 
          I MEANT EACH SUBCOMMITTEE WHEN THEY'RE WORKING ON A PROJECT SHOULD, SHOULD WATCH THE SPENDING OH, OKAY. 
          FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SORRY. 
          THAT'S A GREAT CLARIFICATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          . 
          BUT, BUT I AM I TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT THOUGH, I DO THINK THAT PERHAPS WE SHOULD MAYBE PARK THAT IDEA OF A SUBCOMMITTEE FOR SORT OF, UM, OPPORTUNITIES AND, AND RESOURCES UNTIL AFTER MEETING ITEM FOUR AND MAYBE COME BACK TO IT. 
          UM, BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME DISCUSSION FROM MEETING ITEM FOUR THAT IS ACTUALLY GONNA CREATE OPPORTUNITY FOR A SUBCOMMITTEE THAT WOULD BE REALLY VALUABLE. 
          YEAH. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE THAT AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, I THINK THERE'S A, UNLESS WE HAVE, UH, SO ARE YOU FOR, ARE, DO WE TALK ABOUT ASPHALT ART IN ONE OF THESE MEETINGS THAT YOU'VE BEEN TO? OKAY. 
          DID YOU GET THE PRESENTATION FROM BJORN GRUENBERG? OKAY. 
          BALL BELTS. 
          UM, YEAH, WELL IT'S PAINT PAINTING, BASICALLY PAINTING ON ASPHALT TO, FOR TRAFFIC CALMING AND, AND STREET SAFETY. 
          UM, PAINTING IN, IN CROSSWALKS IN BALL BELTS AROUND INTERSECTIONS TO REDUCE THE, INCREASE THE RADIUS AND TO INCREASE THE, AND DECREASE THE CROSSING AREAS. 
          UM, IT'S SORT OF A PROVEN, UH, WAY OF, OF CALM TRAFFIC AND CREATING SAFER STREETS. 
          OKAY. 
          THE CITY, UM, CAME TO US AS THE PUBLIC ART COMPONENT TO FIND OUT OUR LEVEL OF INTEREST AND WE RESPONDED THAT WE'RE VERY INTERESTED AND WE TRIED TO OUTLINE WHAT WE THOUGHT A GOOD ROLE WOULD BE AND THAT'S FOR THEM TO DO ALL OF THE PLANNING AND COME BACK AND PROPOSE TO US WHAT THE, WHAT THEY NEEDED AND THEN WE WOULD PLUG THEM INTO, UM, DIFFERENT ARTISTS OR TO DO SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. 
          IT'S BEEN PRETTY, UM, SILENT SINCE THEN. 
          BUT THERE'S AN ORGANIZATION IN TOWN, I'M SORRY, THERE'S A, THERE ARE LOTS OF ORGANIZATIONS IN TOWN WHO ARE INTERESTED IN DOING THIS AND BL BLUE ZONES PETALUMA HAS, IS, IS TRYING TO, UM, WHICH IS I THINK A NATIONAL ORGANIZATION, RIGHT? INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATION TRYING TO, UM, BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER. 
          AND THAT'S SOME OF THE MEETINGS THAT MELISSA'S TALKING ABOUT. 
          UM, THEY'RE BASICALLY WORKING MEETINGS WITH LOTS OF PEOPLE FROM AROUND THE COMMUNITY TO FIND OUT HOW TO GET THIS DONE. 
          AND I THINK THIS COMMITTEE WOULD HAVE A GOOD SEAT AT THE TABLE, CERTAINLY A LEGITIMATE SEAT AT THE TABLE. 
          AND SO THAT WOULD BE A COOL, UM, THING TO ATTEND. 
          BUT AS YOU SAID, MIDDLE OF THE DAY, EVERY NOW AND AGAIN, EVERY FEW WEEKS OR MONTH AT THIS TIME, RICHARD DE LEONE FROM BLUE ZONES IS LEADING THE MEETINGS AND IT'S INVOLVING GHOST SONOMA BIKE, PETALUMA, ALL THESE ORGAN ORGANIZATIONS. 
          PUBLIC WORKS, BJORN IS, AND KEN OFTEN ARE IN ATTENDANCE. 
          KEN STEAD 
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IT'S, AND NEIGHBORS, THERE'S A LOT OF WILL FOR THIS. 
          BJORN HAS IDENTIFIED FUNDING FOR THREE TRAFFIC CIRCLES TO BE PAINTED. 
          THE CENTER PART OF IT THAT INCLUDES THE ONE RIGHT HERE AT UPHAM AM BASSETT. 
          SO HE IS ASKED THAT SUB THAT PUBLIC ART BE INVOLVED IN THE SELECTION PROCESS BECAUSE THEY WOULD LIKE IT TO BE OFF OF THE CITY'S HANDS. 
          I HAVE ASKED IF HE HAS A BUDGET TO SUPPORT THAT WITH STAFF. 
          SO IT DOESN'T COME DIRECTLY FROM THE PUBLIC ART FUND. 
          THIS IS A BIT OF A RECURRING THING WITH US IS THAT WE ARE ASKED TO PROVIDE INPUT BUT THEY AREN'T NECESSARILY OUR LED PROJECTS. 
          SO WE HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO FUND THAT. 
          BUT I DO THINK HAVING A, A SUBCOMMITTEE WHERE SOMEBODY COULD ATTEND THE MEETINGS REPORT BACK. 
          I'VE ATTENDED THE FIRST TWO MEETINGS I DID NOT ATTEND THIS WEEK, BUT I'VE PROVIDED THEM SOME INFORMATION. 
          SO IF SOMEBODY'S INTERESTED IN THAT, I CAN SHARE WITH YOU OUTSIDE OF THE MEETING MORE ABOUT WHERE THEY'RE AT. 
          BUT FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND RIGHT NOW, THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD, OR NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE COME FORWARD FROM DIFFERENT AREAS WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THEIR OWN PROJECTS THAT MIGHT BE MORE PIVOTAL. 
          AND BJORN AND KEN HAVE ADVISED THAT THERE ARE THESE QUICK PERMITS THAT ARE AVAILABLE NOW WHERE THEY'RE FAIRLY INEXPENSIVE AND EFFECTIVE WHERE THEY COULD PAINT THEM. 
          AND SO THEY'RE LOOKING AT OPPORTUNITIES AND TYPES OF PAINT AND UM, IT'S LOOKING LIKE THEY ARE GONNA BE MOVING FORWARD. 
          SO THERE, IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A CONDUIT FROM THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE TO THAT, TO THOSE GROUPS. 
          AND THEY'RE VERY ORGANIZED NOW. 
          UM, IT'S REALLY LIKE THEY'RE WORKING TOGETHER VERY DILIGENTLY AND THEY REALLY WANNA CHURN OUT SOME WORK. 
          SO I THINK IT COULD BE A REALLY FUN SUBCOMMITTEE. 
          WHEN ARE THERE MEETINGS THE NEXT MEETING? THE NEXT MEETING IS, UM, THE 17TH OF APRIL. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IT'S FROM ONE TO 2:30 PM IS THERE ANY INTEREST? IT'S JUST ONCE A MONTH OR JUST WHO KNOWS WHAT IT'S GONNA TURN INTO, BUT THAT'S PROBABLY A REASONABLE EXPECTATION. 
          LATELY IT'S BEEN BIMONTHLY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I MEAN THEY'RE PRETTY, THEY REALLY WANT A LOT OF ENERGY. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF ENERGY AND WILL, IT'S JUST MAKING SURE THAT STAFF CAN SUPPORT THAT. 
          WHAT'S HAPPENED TO DATE IS I MIGHT ATTEND AND REPORT BACK TO BJORN AND KEN, THEY MIGHT REPORT BACK TO ME RATHER THAN HAVE THREE CITY STAFF THERE. 
          SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO BE FLEXIBLE AND FACILITATE THIS. 
          BUT I, I THINK WHAT WE COULD DO, YOU KNOW, BJORN SEEMS TO HAVE THE WILL AND SOME BUDGET TO DO THESE THREE PROJECTS. 
          I'M NOT SURE IF IT WOULD BE A FULL ON, UM, RFP FOR IT. 
          I, I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE TO WORK A LITTLE MORE CUL SMALL SCALE AS A BODY SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT REQUIREMENT OF STAFF TIME. 
          'CAUSE THOSE TYPE OF UNDERTAKINGS CAN BE VERY EXPENSIVE. 
          UM, BUT I THINK WE COULD FIND A WAY TO HAVE LIKE SOME KIND OF SUBMISSIONS LIKE THAT THEY MIGHT CALL TOGETHER AND THEN WE REVIEW THEM AND HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THE ARTISTS WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL AND EFFECTIVE AND GIVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND WEIGH IN, IN A FORMAL SETTING. 
          DO YOU GET THE IDEA THAT THE PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WANT OWNERSHIP WANT TO BE THE CREATIVE FORCE BEHIND IT? OR ARE THEY LOOKING JUST TO EXECUTE? YES, BUT WITH BJORN'S SPECIFIC PROJECTS, HE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE REVIEWED IN HOUSE BY A DIFFERENT BODY. 
          SO THE NEIGHBORHOOD PROJECTS WE'VE ENCOURAGED TO WORK SEPARATELY, BUT WE ARE SUPPORTIVE SO THAT WAY THEY CAN CONTROL THEIR PROJECT AND PROBABLY BEFORE IT'S IN ITS FINAL INCARNATION WOULD COME HERE. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE FLOATED SO FAR JUST FOR INPUT. 
          AND WE'VE ALSO SHARED WITH THEM, UM, GUIDELINES FOR WHAT TYPES OF CONTRAST AND PRODUCTS AND COLORS NEED TO BE USED IN THESE TYPE OF CROSSWALKS, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE IN SCHOOL OR CHURCH ZONES WHERE THERE MIGHT BE MORE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC. 
          SO IT'S A LITTLE THAT, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE FOR THIS TO BE DISCUSSED. 
          AND, UH, I'M WONDERING IF IT'S POSSIBLE FOR THE, THE SCOPE OF WORK FOR THE ARTIST TO, TO FOCUS ON THE INTERACTIONS AND COLLABORATION WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS SO THAT THAT RESPONSIBILITY DOESN'T FALL ON THE, THE COMMITTEE TO, TO DRIVE THAT COLLABORATION THAT THE NEIGHBORHOODS DESIRE. 
          IT'S MORE, IT'S MORE IN THE DESIGN PHASE OF THE PROJECT AND BETWEEN THE ARTIST AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THEN GIVEN SOME PARAMETERS. 
          SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING FOR THE SUBCOMMITTEE TO WORK ON IS, IS UH, MORE CLEARLY DEFINING THE, THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE'S ROLE IN THE PROCESS AND THEN THE EXPECTATIONS OF OTHER STAKEHOLDERS IN CREATING A SUCCESSFUL OUTCOME. 
          TO DATE. 
          TO DATE THERE'S ONLY BEEN THREE MEETINGS AND IT'S KIND 
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OF JUST FORMING. 
          IT WAS, IT WAS SO MUCH ENERGY THAT NOW IT'S KIND OF SORTING OUT WHAT'S VIABLE. 
          UM, THERE IS NO WILL FOR THE CITY TO TAKE ON THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD BASED PROJECTS BECAUSE THERE ARE VERY, THERE'S SO MANY PARTNERS AND IT'S SO MUCH ENERGY AND OWNERSHIP THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE THEM GENERATE THAT ON THEIR OWN. 
          AND WHAT MIGHT BE THE BEST SITUATION WOULD BE A PRESENTATION ITEM PROVIDED BY THEM WHEN THEY HAVE THEIR PIECES, THEY COULD COME AND SHOW THEM TO US FOR INPUT AND JUST MAKING SURE THAT IT'S NOT SO THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN OFFERED THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC INPUT AND DISCUSSION. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I THINK IT, 'CAUSE YOUR NEIGHBORS MIGHT ORGANIZE SOMETHING BUT THEN YOU'RE NOT AWARE OF IT NECESSARILY. 
          SO IT KIND OF PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO BE AWARE. 
          OKAY. 
          DO THAT. 
          I CAN ATTEND THOSE MEETINGS AND REPORT BACK. 
          SORRY, I CAN ATTEND THE REPORT BACK. 
          THAT'S GREAT. 
          WE HAVE JENNY DWAY ON THE, UM, ASPHALT ART SUBCOMMITTEE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          JENNY. 
          WHERE ARE THE THREE ROUNDABOUTS? I'M GOING TO HAVE TO DO SOME WORK ON FIGURING OUT WHERE ALL OF THEM ARE. 
          , I JUST KNOW ABOUT THAT ONE. 
          THERE'S TWO OTHERS, BUT THEY'RE NOT ONES, THEY'RE THE, THE KIND OF SHORT TERM ONES. 
          I THINK THERE'S ONE AT CAULFIELD AND MCDOWELL THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE WHOLE BUMP, LIKE THE WHOLE CEMENT INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          THESE ARE THE RUBBERIZED ONES THAT KIND OF A CIRCLE IN THE MIDDLE THAT LOOK MORE TEMPORARY, BUT OKAY. 
          WE'RE HOPING THAT IN THESE SITUATIONS THE PAINT WOULD NOT BE WHERE CARS TRAFFIC. 
          SO THERE WOULD BE LESS INTENSE USES ON THOSE SECTIONS, BUT THEY WOULD ALSO BE SLIGHTLY LESS INVISIBLE, YOU KNOW, FROM THE OUTSIDE WHERE CROSSWALKS YOU COULD WORK ON LIKE A CROSSWALK AND THEN BUMP OUTS AT AN INTERSECTION AND FOCUS ON THE HEAVY COLOR ON THE BUMP OUTS. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE MORE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD PROJECT, BUT IT ALSO MIGHT NEED A DIFFERENCE IN MATERIALS. 
          UM, YOU'LL NEED SOMETHING WITH LONGEVITY, AND I'VE STARTED EXPLORATION ON THAT AS WELL. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING I COULD SPEAK WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEE AND I PROVIDED IT TO THE GROUP. 
          SO MAYBE YOU CAN PROVIDE AN INTRODUCTIONS TO THE, UM, OTHER CITY STAFF MEMBERS FOR, FOR JENNY. 
          THAT'D BE EXCELLENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, JENNY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, I BELIEVE WE COVERED, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS. 
          I THINK WE DID. 
          IF WE DIDN'T, UM HMM. 
          I'LL OPEN THAT PUBLIC COMMENT NOW. 
          DID WE RECEIVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS BEFORE THE MEETING? WE RECEIVED NO PUBLIC COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? YEAH, I WANTED TO BRING UP ONE OTHER SUBCOMMITTEE NEEDED, WHICH DIDN'T MAKE IT ONTO HERE, 'CAUSE IT, IT DIDN'T OCCUR TO ME, BUT, UM, BEFORE WE SWITCH TOPICS, UM, WE'RE GONNA NEED A SUBCOMMITTEE FOR THE PAC ART INSTALLATION. 
          THEY STILL HAVEN'T GIVEN ME A DATE, DESPITE MANY REQUESTS. 
          THEY PLAN THEIR YEAR OUT VERY FAR IN ADVANCE, BUT THEY REALLY WANNA MAKE SPACE FOR US IN THE SMALL GALLERY. 
          IT'S GONNA BE A LOT OF, UM, IT'S GONNA REQUIRE SOME TIME FOR ME. 
          I HAVE A FEELING BECAUSE AS THE DEFACTO, UM, DESIGNER, I'M GONNA BE PUTTING TOGETHER A LOT OF SIGNAGE, BUT WE'RE GONNA BE NEEDING TO TAKE PHOTOGRAPHS AND, YOU KNOW, IF POSSIBLE GET ONE OF MARY'S SCULPTURES IN THERE OR SOMETHING. 
          WE DON'T, I DON'T KNOW YET, BUT, UM, I'M GONNA NEED HELP OR I WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH SOMEBODY ON THAT. 
          WHAT'S THE TIMING ON THAT? WE DON'T KNOW. 
          IT COULD BE LATE IN THE YEAR. 
          IT COULD BE. 
          IT COULD BE. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, I'D BE INTERESTED, BUT I, I DON'T WANNA SIGN UP NOW. 
          YEAH, IF IT'S JUST YEAH, IT'S COMPLETELY, AND I MEAN, MAYBE IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE EVEN NEED TO DISCUSS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A DATE. 
          UM, MAYBE WHEN I GET A DATE WE CAN BRING IT BACK UP, BUT JUST KNOW THAT THAT'S COMING AND, UM, I'LL NEED SOME HELP ON THAT. 
          SO, AND THIS MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE WE'VE SPOKEN ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF MAYBE GETTING A MARY FULLER MCCHESNEY SHOW WITH SPONSORSHIP AT THE ART CENTER OR SOMEWHERE ELSE, SO THEY MAY HELP YOU ON THAT AS WELL. 
          LIKE THAT, IT'S ALMOST LIKE SUPPORT PERSON FOR THE PAC LIAISON. 
          YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, I THINK THAT SEEMS FAIR. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK WE HAVE OUR, OUR SUBCOMMITTEE ASSIGNMENTS COMPLETE. 
          FEELING GOOD? RIGHT ON. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WELL JUST THINK WHAT IT'S, HOW GOOD WE'RE GONNA FEEL WHEN WE HAVE NEW SU NEW FULL COMMITTEE MEMBERS IN A FEW MONTHS AND YOU GET TO BULK UP TO THREE . 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I'M SORRY, COULD YOU CLARIFY WHO'S ON KENNELWORTH RIGHT NOW? KENNELWORTH KENWORTH. 
          LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE COLD IRON AND, UM, KEVIN. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THAT MAY BE ONE THAT, AS, AS THAT, THAT PROJECT MOVES FORWARD AND WE HAVE MORE COMMITTEE MEMBERS THAT WE WOULD WANT TO ADD 
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A THIRD TO, I THINK. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, MAYBE, UH, KEVIN, IF YOU COULD REACH OUT TO COMMITTEE MEMBER COLD IRON TO UPDATE HER ON THIS AND REALLY GIVE HER A, A, A FRESH TAKE ON WHAT WE'VE, ON SORT OF THE EXPECTATIONS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR COMMITTEE MEMBERS NOW TO, TO HEIGHTEN OUR LEVEL OF COMMUNICATION, ONGOING COMMUNICATION BETWEEN ME. 
          CAN DO. 
          THANKS. 
          ALL RIGHT, WELL, WE'LL CLOSE THAT, UH, CLOSE AGENDA ITEM THREE, AND, UH, WE'RE GONNA GO TO AGENDA ITEM FOUR AND HANDLING IT VERY MUCH THE SAME WAY. 
          WE'RE, UM, UH, STAFF WILL PRESENT THE ITEM TO US. 
          UM, WE CAN ASK SOME CLARIFYING QUESTIONS. 
          WE'LL OPEN IT TO, UM, PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND HAVE A DISCUSSION. 
          THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THE PUBLIC ART PROGRAM OPPORTUNITIES PRESENTATION. 
          IT'S NOT GONNA BE AS HEAVY AS THE PACKET AND RE UM, I'M SORRY, THE MEMORANDUM I SUPPLIED YOU, BUT I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE STILL IS PRETTY HEAVY AND I'LL TRY TO BE AS EFFICIENT AS I CAN. 
          SO WE'RE NOT HERE ALL NIGHT. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA BEGIN WITH THE DISCUSSION OF PUBLIC ARTS HISTORY. 
          OUR PROGRAM'S HISTORY, EARLY ACQUISITIONS FROM DEVELOPERS THAT OPTED TO SPEND 1% FEE ON THEIR ONSITE WORKS INCLUDE RAILS, LAGUNITAS, AND SOUTHGATE IN LIEU FEES BOLSTERED THE PUBLIC ART FUND. 
          AND WE DEVELOPED A PART-TIME STAFF PERSON TO MANAGE THE PROGRAM AND PPAC MEETINGS. 
          THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE CREATED SITE SPECIFIC OPPORTUNITIES WITH WATER STREET, KELLER STREET GARAGE, AND THE LYNCH CREEK TRAIL PROJECT EXPERIENCES VARIED AND INFORMED THE PPAC OF PROGRAM AND OUTREACH NEEDS. 
          SMALL AND COMMUNITY ART GRANTS PROVIDED OPPORTUNITIES TO MORE OP APPLICANTS. 
          THEY INCLUDE THE RIVERTOWN REVIVAL LISTING BUILDS COMMUNITY MAKING PROGRESS AND WOVEN STORIES. 
          WE STARTED COMMUNITY-BASED PROJECTS THAT BROUGHT US INCREASED SUCCESS. 
          THE BLACK LIVES MATTER MURAL, THE MAGNIFICENT MURAL, AND THE WOMEN IN SCIENCE MURAL. 
          WE FOCUSED ON ACQUISITION OPPORTUNITIES WHEN THEY PRESENTED THEMSELVES LIKE THE MARY FULLER MCCHESNEY PIECES, WE INCREASED OUR PARTNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES AND THE PROGRAM CONTINUED TO PROSPER. 
          THE PETALUMA PUBLIC ART PROGRAM HAS EVOLVED SINCE ADOPTION OF PUBLIC ART ORDINANCE OF, I'M SORRY, OF OUR PUBLIC ART ORDINANCE IN 2005, WHICH ESTABLISHED ZONING REGULATIONS FOR PUBLIC ART WITHIN THE CITY, AND ADOPTION OF THE PUBLIC ART MASTER PLAN AND AMENDMENTS TO THE CHAPTER 18 PUBLIC ART IZO IN 2013. 
          SO WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR HISTORY, IT REALLY SHOWS THIS EVOLUTION TO WHAT WORKS AND FOLLOWING THAT AS A LEAD IN GUIDING WHAT KIND OF PROJECTS WE TAKE ON. 
          THESE ARE OUR RECENT PROGRAM SUCCESSES. 
          I STARTED IN 2020 BECAUSE I THINK THAT WAS A TIME PERIOD WHEN WE STARTED TO SEE MORE MOMENTUM IN THE PROJECT GROWING. 
          AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO REFLECT ON THINGS THAT HAVE WORKED FOR US. 
          AGAIN, IT'S THE BLACK LIVES MATTER MURAL IN 2020. 
          AND ALTHOUGH THIS DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A SUCCESS, THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE WOULD RECOGNIZE THAT THE REMOVAL OF RED TEEPEE IN 2021 BROUGHT SOME SAFETY NEEDS TO OUR COMMUNITY AND THEY DEALT WITH A LONG-TERM PIECE THAT WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE PERMANENT IN OUR CITY. 
          AND PUBLIC ART RISE ROSE TO THE OCCASION. 
          TRUTH IS BEAUTY. 
          WE RECEIVED THE OFFER FROM RORY KELLER AND ACCEPTANCE OF THE PIECE IN 2021. 
          SO THAT, FOR THOSE WHO ARE UNFAMILIAR, THAT IS A MARCO COCHRANE PIECE THAT IS PRIVATELY OWNED, THAT HAS BEEN BEQUEATHED TO OUR COMMUNITY AND THE PUBLIC ART PROGRAM WHEN THE OWNER IS DONE WITH THE PROJECT AT HER RESIDENCE, THE ABSTRACTIONS MURAL IN 2021, THE RIVER ARCH IN 2022, THE MAGNIFICENT MURAL IN 2022, THE MAKING PROGRESS MURAL IN 2022, LISTING BUILDS COMMUNITY IN 23, REPAIR OF HOME STRETCH IN 23, WHICH ALTHOUGH THAT ALSO MAY NOT SEEM LIKE A TOTAL SUCCESS ONCE AGAIN, WE STEPPED IN AND TOOK CARE OF A SITUATION AND PROVIDED FOR OUR COMMUNITY FINE BALANCE 2.0, WHICH I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT INVOLVED A RELOCATION AND COMMUNITY OUTREACH, WHICH IS REALLY IMPORTANT AND HAS BEEN REALLY SUCCESSFUL TO DATE IN. 
          GARNERING SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT. 
          WOVEN STORIES, WHICH 
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IS ONGOING. 
          THE MARY FULLER MCCHESNEY ACQUISITION MOVE AND STORAGE, WHICH IS ONGOING RIVER ARCH 2.0, THE BINGE ACQUISITION AND FRAY FRAGMENTS, WHICH IS ONGOING ABSTRACTIONS, CLEANUP AND REPAIR, WHICH I'M HAPPY TO REPORT IS ONGOING AND WILL BE STARTING IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO. 
          KENILWORTH PAR PLAYGROUND ART DESIGN PHASE, WHICH HAS BEEN REALLY WELL PERCEIVED RECEIVED BY THE PUBLIC. 
          I WANNA POINT OUT OUR PROGRAM SPENDING IN THE PUBLIC ART MASTER PLAN. 
          WE HAVE CALLED FOR A 65% ACQUISITION RATE, A 25% ADMINISTRATION RATE, AND A 10% MAINTENANCE RATE AND ACTUALITY OVER OUR PROGRAM LIFETIME, WHICH GOES BACK TO 20 15, 20 14. 
          SO THIS TAKES INTO ACCOUNT ALL OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE STILL GOING ON TODAY IS 7% MAINTENANCE, ACQUISITION AND COMMITTED FUNDS 46% AND ADMINISTRATIVE 47%. 
          AND WHILE THOSE AREN'T NUMBERS THAT RECOMMEND, THAT ARE RECOMMENDED IN THE MASTER PLAN, THEY ARE IMPORTANT INFORMATION THAT INFORMS OF, OF WHAT OUR PROJECT REALLY, WHAT OUR PROGRAM REALLY LOOKS LIKE WHEN IT'S IN ACTUALITY, WHEN THERE'S UNKNOWN UNQUANTIFIED ITEMS THAT COME INTO PLAY. 
          WE CAN'T SET EXPECTATIONS WHEN WE'RE WORKING WITH PARTNERS AND ARTISTS. 
          EVERYTHING'S KIND OF IN LIMBO UNTIL WE REALLY HAVE THOSE NUMBERS. 
          SO THIS INFORMS US OF WHAT AN ACTIVE AND HAPPENING PUBLIC ART PROGRAM REALLY LOOKS LIKE. 
          THIS IS OUR FISCAL YEAR. 
          FOURTH QUARTER SUMMARY CHANGES. 
          WHAT WE CAN TELL FROM THIS IS THAT IN THE EIGHT YEARS WE'VE DOCUMENTED THIS PROGRAM, I'M SORRY, NINE YEARS WE'VE HAD, NEVERMIND, I'M SORRY, I'LL STOP APOLOGIZING. 
          WE HAVE FOUR YEARS WHERE WE'VE HAD HAD A NET POSITIVE FOURTH QUARTER END YEAR. 
          END OF YEAR. 
          WE'VE HAD FOUR YEARS WHERE IT'S A NET NEGATIVE. 
          WHAT THIS REFLECTS IS THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD THE DEVELOPMENT FEES TAKEN IN IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS THAT WE BECAME RELIANT UPON. 
          SO WHEN WE DO LOOK AT THIS BUDGET, I REALLY WANT US TO CONSIDER THAT THIS DOESN'T NECESSARILY SHOW ANY KIND OF FAULT OF THE PROGRAM. 
          IT'S REALLY JUST MARKET FLUCTUATIONS AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TIED TO. 
          MOVING FORWARD, I'D LIKE TO HAVE A ROBUST DISCUSSION OF THE SUCCESSES AND CHALLENGES OF THE PROGRAM, WHILE PROVIDING AN INFORMED APPROACH FOR HOW TO WORK WITHIN CURRENT CONDITIONS TO CONTINUE TO REACH PROGRAM OBJECTIVES, LEVERAGING THE COMMITTEE'S CREATIVITY, RESOURCES, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND PARTNERSHIPS WILL ADD TO THE VALUE AND RICHNESS OF THE PUBLIC ART PROGRAM. 
          AND I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO REALLY REFLECT AND THINK ABOUT WHAT OUR PRIORITIES ARE MOVING FORWARD. 
          THERE ARE MANY STEPS WE CAN TAKE MOVING FORWARD. 
          I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER QUESTIONS LIKE WERE INCLUDED IN THE REPORT. 
          WHAT ROLES MIGHT OTHER FUNDING SOURCES PLAY IN FINANCIALLY SUPPORTING THE PROGRAM OUTSIDE OF THE PUBLIC ART FEE? HOW MIGHT THE PROGRAM BEGIN TO INTEGRATE OUTSIDE FUNDING INTO ITS RESOURCE DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES? HOW DOES THE PPAC CONTINUE TO WORK TO ACHIEVE PROGRAM GOALS WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF EXISTING RESOURCES? HOW COULD PPAC MEMBERS THEMSELVES CONTINUE TO WORK TO ACHIEVE PROGRAM GOALS OUTSIDE OF NEW FINANCIAL RESOURCES? WHAT CHARACTERISTICS OF OUR PROGRAM PROVIDE THE BEST VALUE AND SHOULD THE PROGRAM CONSIDER FOCUSING ON THESE GOING FORWARD? I WOULD ENCOURAGE US EACH TO CONSIDER TAKING THREE STEPS OR ACTIONS FOLLOWING THIS DISCUSSION. 
          I WOULD CONSIDER THAT SUBCOMMITTEE CONTRIBUTIONS BE COMMITTED TO, TO MOVE PROJECTS FORWARD, AND THAT WE CONSIDER TAKING HOMEWORK AWAY FROM OUR AGENDA ITEMS. YOU CAN ALWAYS SUBMIT COMMENTS OR IDEAS FROM OUTSIDE OUR MEETINGS THAT CAN BE CONTINUED INTO OUR NEXT MEETING AGENDA ITEMS, AND I'M HAPPY TO COMPILE THAT INFORMATION. 
          I WANNA THANK YOU ALL FOR TAKING THE TIME TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION TONIGHT, AND I HOPE THAT WE CAN FIND SOME REALLY HELPFUL END RESULTS FROM OUR CONVERSATIONS. 
          ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          ARE THERE QUESTIONS, STAFF BEFORE WE, UH, OPEN IT TO, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN HAVE OUR DISCUSSION CHAIR, IF I COULD, I'D LIKE TO MAYBE OFFER A COUPLE OF COMMENTS FOR FRAMING AND CONSIDERATION, UM, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU. 
          GREAT, THANK YOU. 
          IF WE COULD GO BACK TO THE SLIDE SHOWING THE, UM, BREAKDOWN OF FUNDS, UM, RIGHT THERE. 
          SO I, I THINK THAT HOW WE WANT TO LOOK AT THESE, THESE 
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PIE CHARTS AND BREAKDOWNS IS WE THINK ABOUT THE PUBLIC ART MASTER PLAN, SORT OF FOR FORECASTED HOW FUNDS SHOULD BE USED BASED ON WHAT IT ASSUMED THE PUBLIC ART PROGRAM WOULD BE DOING, RIGHT? WHICH WAS PRIMARILY YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD ENGAGE IN ACQUISITIONS AND YOU WOULDN'T ENGAGE IN A LOT OF COLLABORATIVE WORK. 
          YOU WOULDN'T, UM, BE PARTNERING WITH OTHER ORGANIZATIONS AND SO FORTH. 
          IT WOULD BE A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD EXCHANGE OF WHAT YOU'VE DONE ON SOME PROJECTS WHERE, UH, YOU WOULD IDENTIFY AN OPPORTUNITY, YOU WOULD CONTRACT WITH AN ARTIST, THE ARTIST WOULD PRODUCE THE ARTWORK, AND THEN YOU WOULD INSTALL AND THE PROJECT WOULD BE DONE. 
          I THINK THAT AS, AS WE TALKED ABOUT THROUGH THE SUBCOMMITTEE PROCESS, THAT'S NOT HAPPENING, UM, PERHAPS AS THE MASTER PLAN PREDICTED OR ANTICIPATED IT WOULD. 
          SO THEN WHEN WE GO DOWN TO THE ACTUAL COST, WHAT WE SEE IS THE REALITY OF WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE VARIETY OF PROJECTS AND TYPES OF PROJECTS THAT THE COMMITTEE IS TAKING ON, AND HOW THAT ACTUALLY ELEVATES THE ADMINISTRATIVE COST FOR THE SUPPORT THAT WE'RE FINDING THAT SOME OF THESE PROJECTS NEED IN ORDER TO BRING THEM TO FRUITION. 
          BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ONCE, ONCE THE, THE, ONCE THE PROGRAM MAKES A COMMITMENT TO A PROJECT, IT'S DIFFICULT TO STEP AWAY FROM THAT PROJECT. 
          YOU ALMOST, YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU'VE COMMITTED THAT, THAT BASIC FUNDING, YOU HAVE TO SEE IT THROUGH. 
          AND WHAT WE'RE FINDING IS SOME OF THESE PROJECTS AS THEY'VE EVOLVED, THOSE COSTS HAVE ESCALATED JUST BECAUSE OF UNKNOWNS OR, OR, UM, FACTORS THAT WEREN'T OBSERVED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROJECT. 
          SO I WANTED TO OFFER THAT AS JUST UN SORT OF UNDERSTANDING THESE CHARTS BECAUSE I THINK THEY CAN BE ALARMING, QUITE FRANKLY, RIGHT? WHEN YOU LOOK AT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT A MASTER PLAN PREDICTING ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS OF 25%. 
          BUT THEN WE WE'RE FINDING THOUGH, WHEN WE DO OUR ANALYSIS THAT THOSE ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS ARE ACTUALLY 47%, YOU'RE INCLINED TO SAY, WELL, WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? AND I THINK WHAT'S GOING ON HERE IS WE'RE FINDING THAT AS, AS THE PROGRAM COMES INTO ITS FULLNESS AND EVOLVES THE WAY WE WANT THE PROGRAM TO FUNCTION IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE MASTER PLAN PREDICTED THAT IT WOULD FUNCTION OR ANTICIPATED. 
          SO, AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THAT, UM, IT'S BEEN MY EXPERIENCE AND MY TIME HERE THAT WE'RE OFTEN SERVING STAFF AS SERVING AS A PROJECT MANAGER OF SORTS, WHICH IS NOT THE EXPECTATION WHEN WE HIRE AN ARTIST OR A TEAM TO EXECUTE A GRANT. 
          IT SEEMS A LOT OF TIMES WE DON'T KNOW IF THE ARTISTS ARE CAPABLE OF DOING THEIR OWN PROJECT MANAGEMENT UNTIL WE'RE IN CONTRACT WITH THEM. 
          AND OVER THE HISTORY OF OUR PROGRAM, WE'VE HAD ARTISTS CONFLICTS, ARTISTS WITH ILLNESSES THAT HAVE DELAYED THE PROJECT. 
          WE'VE HAD A COMMUNITY RESPONSE WHERE WE HAD TO RELOCATE THE PROJECT, WHICH REQUIRED A DOUBLING OF STAFF TIME TO LOOK INTO THE OPPORTUNITY AND MAKE SURE WE HAD SITES THAT COULD BE WORKING FOR THE PIECE. 
          I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE MOVING FORWARD, HAVE OPPORTUNITIES FOR REFLECTION WHERE WE LOOK AT A PROJECT, NOT JUST WHEN WE REPORT OUT, BUT DID IT WORK FOR US, LIKE THE BUS SHELTERS TODAY? WAS IT SOMETHING THAT HELPED US ACHIEVE OUR GOALS? AND WAS IT SOMETHING THAT REALLY WAS WORTH THE ULTIMATE, THE ULTIMATE COMMITMENT OF FUNDS? BECAUSE IT'S NOT HOLISTIC AND UNLESS IT INCLUDES STAFF TIME. 
          AND I'M CURIOUS, WHEN WAS THIS PUBLIC ART MASTER PLAN ALLOCATION DEVISED? RIGHT? IS WHEN THE PROGRAM FIRST STARTED? SO WITHOUT ANY HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE OF SPENDING. 
          SO WHY I THINK THIS IS A GREAT SLIDE, BUT BECAUSE NOT ONLY INFORMS HOW OFF THAT PROJECTION WAS, UM, I DON'T THINK THIS SHOWS, YOU KNOW, THIS BODY'S LACK OF BEING ABLE TO BRING THIS PROGRAM ALONG. 
          I THINK IF ANYTHING, IT, UM, IT REALLY DEMONSTRATES, OKAY, NOW THAT WE HAVE ALL THESE THINGS UNDER OUR BELT, THIS IS ACTUALLY WHAT IT TAKES. 
          WE ARE NOT EXORBITANT IN OUR SPENDING WITH, WITH ACQUISITION OR WITH TIME SPENT. 
          I REALLY DON'T SEE THAT. 
          I SEE IT'S TIME FOR THE MASTER PLAN TO BE REVISED. 
          THE FIRST PIE CHART NEEDS TO BE REVISED. 
          UM, AND I ALSO THINK THE NEXT SLIDE, WHICH IS THE, THE BUDGET BREAKDOWN IS TESTAMENT TO THIS, RIGHT? UH, PUT A HOLD ON THIS RIGHT HAND OF OUR DISCUSSION AFTER, UM, AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          OH, I'M SORRY. 
          MM-HMM, , YES. 
          NO, THAT'S, THAT'S OKAY. 
          THE GREAT POINTS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I DID WANT TO ACTUALLY GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE BECAUSE I, I THINK TOO, TO GIVE A BIT OF FRAMING TO, TO THE DATA PRESENTED ON THIS SLIDE, IT'S IMPORTANT TO THINK ABOUT JUST AS, AS, UM, MELISSA REVIEWED THE SUCCESSES OF THE PROGRAM AND HOW VARIED AND DIVERSE THOSE SUCCESSES ARE. 
          THINK ABOUT HOW THOSE SUCCESSES RESULTED FROM ONGOING WORK ACROSS YEARS THAT 
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RELY, RELY UPON CONSISTENCY IN, IN PROGRAM BUDGET AND SUCH. 
          BUT THEN WE SEE THAT THE SOURCES OF REVENUE THAT THE BUDGET DEPENDS UPON ARE INCONSISTENT. 
          SO THERE'S ALMOST A FUNDAMENTAL MISMATCH THERE BETWEEN THE, THE REVENUE IN HOW THE REVENUE COMES INTO THE PROGRAM VERSUS IDEALLY HOW THE REVENUE FLOWS OUT OF THE PROGRAM IN TERMS OF THE PROGRAM, UH, BEING CONSISTENT, EVOLVING, YEAR IN AND YEAR OUT, AND RESPONDING TO OUR COMMUNITY AND TO THE COMMITTEE'S GOALS. 
          SO I JUST, I JUST DID WANT TO POINT THAT OUT THAT I THINK OF WHAT WE LEARNED FROM THIS IS AGAIN, THAT THE INCONSISTENCY OF THE REVENUE AS IT, AS IT'S RECEIVED, UM, VERSUS WHAT WE MIGHT THINK ABOUT THE PROGRAM AS BEING VERY CONSISTENT AND, AND VERY SORT OF, UM, IMPROVEMENT THROUGH LEARNING, THROUGH EXPERIENCE AND EVOLVING OVER TIME. 
          ALSO, A LOT OF OUR EXPENSES ARE BECAUSE WE ARE NOW SUCCESSFUL AND PEOPLE COME TO US AS A GUIDEPOST, LIKE I WILL DEFINITELY SAY I, I'VE BEEN SHOCKED WORKING ON THIS SIDE OF THE AISLE. 
          HOW MANY CITY, CITY ORGANIZATIONS, NONPROFITS ASK CONSISTENTLY FOR SOMETHING FROM PUBLIC ART. 
          LIKE, SINCE I'VE STARTED WORKING, I WOULD SAY IT COMES IN ABOUT ONCE EVERY TWO WEEKS SOMEBODY ASKS FOR SOME SORT OF SUPPORT OR FUNDING FROM THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE. 
          AND AT THIS POINT I'VE TRIED TO LIKE LESSEN PEOPLE'S EXPECTATIONS UNTIL WE GET TO THE NEXT WINDFALL. 
          AND I THINK THEORETICALLY THAT COULD BE RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER. 
          WE SEE ALMOST A MILLION DOLLARS IN POTENTIAL INCOME. 
          SO IT'S ALL IS NOT LOST. 
          IT'S JUST WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT A SUSTAINABLE MECHANISM FOR OUR OURSELVES TO BEHAVE AND TO ACCEPT FUNDS. 
          WE HAVE TO LOOK OUTSIDE OF THE BOX ON THIS ONE, WHICH IS GOOD 'CAUSE WE'RE ALL WILDLY CREATIVE. 
          YEAH. 
          ARE THERE ANY, UH, OTHER CLARIFYING QUESTIONS FROM STAFF? ALL RIGHT, THEN WE'LL OPEN, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          I'VE SEE NO ONE HERE. 
          IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT RECEIVED PRIOR TO THIS MEETING? WE RECEIVED NO PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THIS ITEM PRIOR TO THE MEETING. 
          GREAT, THANKS. 
          THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE DISCUSSION. 
          WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO KICK THIS OFF? ANY INTEREST? WELL, I WILL THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION AND I'LL THANK YOU. 
          AND I THINK IT'S A PRODUCT OF A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF, OF SORT OF TRUTH TELLING ABOUT WHAT'S GONE ON, UM, AND ABOUT FACT FINDING AND ABOUT SORT OF BRINGING IT ALL TOGETHER AND NOT, UM, AND THEN BEING AND WANTING TO SHARE IT. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S GREAT. 
          AND I DON'T THINK IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT I'VE SEEN KERNELS OF IT COME UP OVER TIME, RIGHT? OF LIKE, AND JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO WE WERE, A FEW MEETINGS AGO, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF STAFF TIME RELATIVE TO THE AMOUNT OF, YOU KNOW, BUDGET WE HAD LEFT. 
          AND IT'S LIKE, BUT WE CAN MENTION IT ONE TIME AND WE CAN EASILY FORGET ABOUT IT. 
          WHEN WE HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM LIKE THIS THAT'S SO WELL PREPARED, IT'S, IT'S GONNA MAKE US TAKE ACTION. 
          SO I THINK WE'RE, I'M I, FOR 1:00 AM READY TO PUT OUT SOME IDEAS ON HOW WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO, UM, AUGMENT WHAT WE'RE DOING, WHAT WE'RE OR, AND MAYBE MAKE PROPOSALS FOR HOW TO CHANGE THE WAY WE'RE DOING, UM, COMMITTEE WORK. 
          SO, UM, HAS ANYONE, DID ANYONE, UM, COME TO THIS MEETING WITH IDEAS, UH, SPECIFIC IDEAS ABOUT WHAT THEY, UM, MAYBE DISAGREEMENTS WITH WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED HERE OR IDEAS ABOUT HOW THEY THINK, UM, WE MIGHT, UH, MAKE THE COMMITTEE STRONGER? THE, OR THE PUBLIC ART FUND STRONGER? THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          I FEEL LIKE THAT GAVE ME KIND OF A BASELINE IDEA OF THE HISTORY OF WHAT'S GONE ON AND IT PROVIDES TRANSPARENCY THAT I WASN'T AWARE OF BEFORE. 
          SO THAT MAKES ME ABLE TO EVEN START THINKING ABOUT WHAT COULD BE CHANGED. 
          BECAUSE PREVIOUS TO THE PRESENTATION, I WASN'T EXACTLY CLEAR ABOUT ALL OF THOSE THINGS. 
          SO THAT MAKES IT JUST OPEN AND TRANSPARENT SO I CAN START, OKAY, THESE ARE POSSIBLE THINGS WE COULD DO. 
          THESE ARE POSSIBLE THINGS TO BE CHANGED, AND THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          THANK YOU FOR, UH, PUTTING THIS TOGETHER. 
          IT'S REALLY GREAT AND IT'S A LOT OF, UM, REALLY A LOT OF GOOD REFLECTION AND STUFF WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT, BUT IT'S NICE TO SEE IT ALL IN WRITING. 
          I THINK THE, THE MORE INVOLVEMENT ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE LEVEL IS GONNA OFFSET SOME OF THE STAFF TIME. 
          I THINK WE'VE ALREADY COVERED THAT IN THIS MEETING. 
          I THINK IT'S A BIG THING. 
          LET'S, AND I, I'M JUST GONNA INTERJECT AND UNDERSCORE THAT, RIGHT, OKAY. 
          BECAUSE REALLY THAT BECOMES, YEAH, THAT IS WORK THAT COMES OUT OF WHAT WE STAFF WOULD BILL AND IT COMES BACK TO US, RIGHT? AND SO IF WE TAKE IT UPON OURSELVES TO DO THAT WORK, 
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WE'RE GONNA BECOME STRONGER IN SO MANY OTHER WAYS OTHER THAN JUST FISCALLY STRONGER. 
          MM-HMM, , THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          AND ALSO, UM, I, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE DATA IS FOR OUR INPUT IN THE MASTER PLAN FORMATION. 
          I FEEL LIKE IT'S STILL IN THE FUTURE . 
          WELL, NO, WE DID PROVIDE COMMENT ON THE GENERAL PLAN, SEVERAL, I THINK IT WAS TWO YEARS AGO. 
          AND SO WHAT WE'LL BE SEEING ON MAY 23RD WHEN THE GENERAL PLAN FRAMEWORKS ARE THE ARTS CULTURE AND CREATIVITY FRAMEWORK IS BROUGHT TO US. 
          THIS WILL HAVE ALREADY BE FORMULA FORMULATED. 
          IT'S LARGELY DONE. 
          IT WOULD JUST BE FOR US TO REVIEW AND HAVE ANY LIKE, OH, OKAY. 
          SUBARY COMMENTS. 
          BUT IT, WE WERE NOT GONNA HAVE LIKE MARKABLE SPACE FOR BIG CHANGES, BUT I, WE WANNA BE ABLE TO BE AWARE OF IT. 
          AND IT DOES, IT WAS INFORMED BY PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE IN THE PAST. 
          AND I WILL SAY THAT THEY ARE NOW AVAILABLE. 
          SO IF YOU DO WANNA READ THE FRAMEWORKS, THEY'RE ALL AVAILABLE ON PLANNED PETALUMA.ORG. 
          AND YOU CAN LOOK AT OUR FRAMEWORK. 
          THEY WERE RELEASED LAST WEEK AND THERE'S ALSO GONNA BE A FRAMEWORK EVENT AT THE FAIRGROUNDS, UM, MAY 11TH FROM NINE TO TWO. 
          SO WHEN IT'S TIME FOR THAT, THERE IS, THERE'S WAYS TO FAMILIARIZE YOURSELF AND PROVIDE COMMENT. 
          CAN I, CAN I JUMP IN THERE AND INTO YOUR QUESTION AGAIN AND JUST ASK FOR CLARIFICATION? YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT THE GENERAL PLAN OR YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PUBLIC ART MASTER PLAN OR, OR, UM, THE, THE CREATIVE COMPONENT OF THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          OKAY. 
          WHICH, AND HOW, IF THAT'S THE CASE, HOW DOES THAT INFORM THE ACTUAL ANY SORT OF REVISION TO THE PUBLIC ART MASTER PLAN OR DOES IT NOT? THEY'RE SEPARATE. 
          I JUST ASSUMED. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S WHAT SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT. 
          THAT IS WHAT, I'M SORRY, I DON'T KNOW THE TERMINOLOGY, BUT WHAT I WAS GETTING AT OKAY. 
          WAS, UM, LOOKING FOR MORE COOPERATION AND BUY-IN FROM THE CITY WHEN IT COMES TO PERMITTING SITE IMPROVEMENTS. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THESE THINGS THAT ARE NOT REALLY ABOUT, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN SUPPORT OF AN ART INSTALLATION OR THE ART ITSELF, BUT THEY REALLY EAT INTO OUR BUDGET AND IT FEELS LIKE THERE SHOULD BE A MORE TURNKEY EFFICIENCY WITH CITI ON SOME OF THESE ITEMS. AND THEY HAVE DONE SOME RESEARCH ON THIS SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. 
          AND I WILL SAY THAT THE REASON WE HAVE TO PAY PERMITS IS FOR THE STAFF TIME. 
          MUCH LIKE, THAT'S WHY I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT OUR APPROACH WHEN OTHER PEOPLE COME TO US FOR WORK, THAT WE ASK FOR A WAY TO BE ACCOUNTED AND PAID FOR THAT SO THAT WE CAN HAVE STAFF TIME FOR THAT AND RETURN. 
          IF WE'RE PAYING FOR PERMITS, THEN I THINK IT'S OKAY FOR US TO, TO CHARGE FOR OUR SERVICES OF STAFF TIME AS WELL. 
          BUT THOSE HAVE TO BE PAID. 
          WHAT I'VE FOUND IS THAT THAT PAYS FOR THE CITY TO FUNCTION. 
          AND SO IT'S A STANDARDIZED APPROACH. 
          I'M, I AM PAYING ATTENTION TO OTHER PROJECTS AND ESPECIALLY THESE QUICK PERMIT OPPORTUNITIES OR THE CITY'S MAKING THESE VERY, UM, QUICK AND ACTIONABLE PERMIT OPTIONS TO THE PUBLIC. 
          YOU CAN SEE THEM ON THE PLANNING PAGES OF THE CITY'S WEBSITE. 
          SO THAT IS ADAPTING TO CHANGING NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO I'M, I AM LOOKING INTO THAT AS AN OPTION WHERE MAYBE IT'LL BE EASIER FOR US MOVING FORWARD. 
          I'M SORRY, I HAVE TO JUMP IN. 
          UM, MY, MY WIFE JUST MESSAGED ME AND MY HOT WATER HEATER JUST BURST, SO I HAVE TO GO HOME . 
          UM, IS THAT OKAY IF I LEAVE NOW? IS THAT GONNA RUIN THE QUORUM? DIDN'T HEAR WHAT OH, UM, MY WATER HEATER AT HOME JUST BURST. 
          MY WIFE TEXTED ME, SO I HAVE TO LEAVE. 
          WELCOME TO THE NEW SUBCOMMITTEES. 
          I THINK IT'S ALL DISCUSSION ITEMS MOVING FORWARD. 
          WE WON'T HOW MUCH LONGER AT THE MEETING DO WE HAVE? WELL, WE, IF IF YOU, IF YOU DEPART, WE LOSE THE QUORUM, WHICH MEANS WE HAVE TO END THE MEETING. 
          SO, UM, I HAVE A RECOMMENDATION. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK WHAT WE DO AT THIS POINT, SINCE WE'RE ALREADY DOWN TO COMMITTEE MEMBERS ALSO, IS THAT PERHAPS WE END THIS MEETING AND EVERYBODY GO HOME AND CAN READ THE REPORT THOROUGHLY AND PROVIDE ME COMMENTS THAT I CAN COMPILE FOR OUR NEXT MEETING. 
          AND THEN THAT WAY I, I FEEL LIKE IT'S IMPORTANT THAT KEVIN GOES HOME AND DEALS WITH THE SITUATION. 
          I WOULD, I WOULD BE LEAVING RIGHT NOW AND I DON'T WANNA BE CONSIDERATE OF HIS EXPERIENCE, BUT THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT CHRISTOPHER AND I HAD TALKED ABOUT EVEN AFTER THE DISCUSSION, HAVING PEOPLE GO HOME AND REFLECT. 
          UM, AND BECAUSE THE CONVERSATION HASN'T GOTTEN SO ROBUST JUST YET, WE WERE JUST GETTING THERE. 
          I THINK IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY. 
          ARE WE STILL ABLE TO PROVIDE, UM, CAN I PROVIDE COMMENTS TO THE PROJECT UPDATES? WELL, IT ALREADY BURST. 
          YOU CAN GO AHEAD. 
          SHE TURNED OFF THE WATER. 
          SO ARE YOU, ARE YOU SURE? YEAH, YOU CAN GET THE COMMENTS CHAIR. 
          WE'LL TAKE YOU UP ON THAT. 
          SO,  CHAIR, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE SITUATION? IF IT'S NO 
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LONGER A CRISIS, THEN LET'S CONTINUE THE MEETING. 
          IF IT'S A CRISIS, THEN WE CAN, UM, FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. 
          UM, SHE REALLY WANTS ME TO COME HOME, SO WE ALSO HAVE A FOUR MONTH OLD BABY, SO I'M SORRY, DO HAVE TO LEAVE. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, SO I'M GONNA MOVE  THEN I THINK IN THAT CASE CHAIR, WE SHOULD CONCLUDE THE MEETING AND, AND, UH, PICK UP THE DISCUSSION. 
          WE CAN IZE THIS ITEM, CONTINUE IT UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING THEN. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK WHAT I'D ASK IS THAT PICK UP ON, UM, UM, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO, UM, SEND HER IDEAS. 
          OKAY. 
          SEND HER YOUR THOUGHTS. 
          IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT ANY COMMITTEE MEMBER WANTS TO SPEAK ABOUT SPECIFICALLY, LIKE GO INTO DEPTH, UM, I, I'M ALWAYS AVAILABLE. 
          SHOULD BE AVAILABLE TO, TO CHAT, SO LET ME KNOW. 
          AND, UM, WE CAN TALK ABOUT, UM, ANY IDEAS YOU HAVE IF YOU, IF YOU WANT TO DO IT IN ADVANCE OR AFTER YOU TALK WITH STAFF OR, UM, AND I THINK WITH THAT WE CAN, UH, SAY THAT WE'RE GONNA ADJOURN THE MEETING AT 7 38. 
          THANK YOU EVERYBODY. 
          THANK YOU ALL. 
          SORRY THAT HAPPENED TO ME. 
          IT'S NOT GOOD.
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