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LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE WHO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, UH, FOR THE EVENING.
SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER IN, UH, CHAIR MARGAN AT, UH, 6 0 2, I GUESS PM SO FIRST WE'LL DO ROLL CALL.
UM, WE HAVE, UH, CHAIR MARGAN IS ABSENT TONIGHT, SO I'M FILLING IN AS VICE CHAIR.
AND, UH, WE HAVE, UH, COMMISSIONER DOMI ON REMOTE.
CAN YOU HEAR? CAN I, WE CAN SEE YOU, YOU CAN HEAR US.
CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME OKAY? YES.
THANK YOU FOR ATTENDING REMOTELY.
UM, COMMISSIONER MCGAUGH HERE.
UM, OH, AND YOU'RE SO FAR AWAY.
AND, AND COUNCIL, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER.
NOW,
I'VE GOT THESE TWO EMPTY SPOTS HERE.
WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD CONSOLIDATE.
[GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT]
SO WE DO HAVE ONE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT CARD.UM, SO, UH, MR. MILLON, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME TO YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, SIR.
CAN YOU ACTUALLY HEAR ME? WE, WE CAN HEAR YOU IN THE ROOM.
I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, IT DOESN'T.
I, WELL, GOOD EVENING, C COMMISSIONERS.
UH, I'M HERE TONIGHT TO REQUEST, UH, FOR AN UPDATE FROM MR. CONAN, UM, IN REGARD TO THE, UM, APPROVED, UH, BY THE COMMISSION ABOUT THE, UH, NON TENANT ACCESS CARDS BACK IN NOVEMBER.
IT'S BEEN NEARLY FIVE MONTHS, AND WE HAVEN'T HEARD ONE WAY OR THE OTHER WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THERE.
UM, SO WE'D LIKE TO FIND OUT IF, UH, UM, WHAT THE, UH, COMMISSION ACTUALLY APPROVED, UM, WHETHER THE, UM, RISK ASSESSMENT, UM, DEPARTMENT ACTUALLY WENT AHEAD AND EITHER APPROVED OR DENIED THAT REQUEST.
UM, AND BASICALLY GET TO THE BOTTOM OF WHAT'S HOLDING THINGS UP IN TERMS OF WHICHEVER DIRECTION THAT'S GOING IN.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, I'D ALSO LIKE MR. CONAN TO COMMENT, OR MORE TO THE POINT, UH, UH, BRING THE, UH, COMMISSION UP TO SPEED, UM, IN REGARD TO ORDINANCE 1632, UH, 0 2 0, WHICH I BELIEVE THERE HAS BEEN SOME AGREEMENT WITH THE FAA, UM, TO ACTUALLY, UH, STRIKE DOWN THAT ORDINANCE.
UM, AND I BELIEVE THE CITY HAS ACTUALLY COMMITTED TO BRING IT DOWN.
SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS BROUGHT TO THE PUBLIC'S ATTENTION, UM, AND THAT MR. COHEN AND THE COMMISSION IS AWARE OF THAT.
AND JUST FOR CLARITY, ARE THOSE THINGS INCLUDED IN THE REPORT ALREADY OR IS THOSE FUTURE MEETING? UH, YES, WE WILL COVER, I'M SORRY.
UH, WE'RE, WE'RE COVERING, UH, ACCESS, UM, TITLE 16 IS NOT, WASN'T PART OF MY PLAN, BUT I CAN, I CAN INCLUDE THAT IF OKAY.
IF NOT, IF YOU'RE NOT PREPARED FOR THAT, WE CAN ADD IT NEXT TIME.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, PRESENTATIONS THIS EVENING? ALRIGHT, SO,
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
UH, ANYONE HAVE ANY, UH, CORRECTIONS OR COMMENTS, UH, FROM THE MINUTES FROM THE FEBRUARY 1ST MEETING THAT NANCY SAYS? THEY'RE GOOD.WELL, HEARING NO, UH, CORRECTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE FEBRUARY 1ST MINUTE, SO THOSE WILL BE CONSIDERED APPROVED.
UM, AND I THINK AT THIS POINT, UM, DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL PUBLIC HEARINGS OR MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION? AND THERE'S NONE ON THE LIST.
[COMMITTEE COMMENT]
COMMENTS.UH, DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, UPDATE FROM OUR, FROM OUR CITY COUNCIL? UM, WELL, THE, UM, CITY COUNCIL HAS HAD THAT.
THE LAST MEETING, UM, WE HAD OUR POLICE AUDIT AND OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT LOOKS VERY GOOD.
AND, UM, WHAT LITTLE ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AHEAD.
UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A NEW POLICE CHIEF IN THE COMING YEAR, AND SO WE'RE BEING PROACTIVE.
AND THEN ON, UM, THE HANGAR RATES, THAT WILL BE ON MONDAY'S AGENDA.
SO THAT'S, UM, COMING UP AND LOOKING AHEAD, WE'RE ALSO GONNA BE DOING OUR BUDGET.
SO FOR 20 24, 20 25 YEARS, WE WILL BE, UM, DIVING INTO THE BUDGET IN MAY.
AND THEN OUR GENERAL PLAN, AND ON MONDAY'S AGENDA, VERY CONTROVERSY IS
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THE D STREET, UH, THE CALMING OF THE STREETS AND MAKING THE SAFE STREETS, UM, ROUTES FOR SCHOOL CHILDREN.SO, UM, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, AD HOC SUBCOMMITTEE UPDATES? YES.
UM, NANCY AND I, AS YOU KNOW, HAVE BEEN, UM, LOOKING INTO, UH, RATES AND FEES AND AIRPORT, UM, DATA TO GET A REALLY GOOD SENSE OF THE BUSINESS ACTIVITY IN TERMS OF REVENUE GENERATION ACTIVITY AT VARIOUS AIRPORTS IN THE AREA.
AND, UM, AND SO WE, UH, WE MET A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO, UM, AND, UH, WE'RE STILL GATHERING A LOT OF DATA, BUT I WANTED TO, WE WANTED TO UPDATE YOU ON A FEW ITEMS, UM, OF, UM, WE THINK THAT ARE CRITICAL IMPORTANCE THAT WE'VE DISCOVERED AS WE'VE GONE THROUGH, UM, CONTACTING VARIOUS AIRPORT OPERATIONS.
AND WHAT WE FOCUSED ON IS AIRPORTS IN THE GENERAL GEOGRAPHIC AREA.
SO THAT WOULD BE, UM, LIVERMORE UP TO CLOVERDALE, DOWN TO, UH, TO NAS.
AND, UH, SO BASICALLY, UM, WE FOUND SOME INTERESTING THINGS, UH, AGAIN, STILL WORKING ON THEM, BUT, UM, THIS MAY BE OF INTEREST TO ALL OF YOU FOLKS, IS THAT I DIDN'T REALIZE THIS.
WITHIN A HUNDRED NAUTICAL MILES OF PETALUMA, THERE ARE 54 AIRPORTS.
THIS WAS NATIONWIDE, BUT YOU KNOW, IT SORT OF IN A GENERAL SENSE.
AND THEY FOUND THAT 71% OF GA AIRPORTS HAVE, UH, A SHORTAGE OF INDIVIDUAL GA HANGERS AND A WAITING LIST OF SOME DEGREE.
WHAT WE FOUND IN OUR BASIC AREA WITH A PRELIMINARY LOOK IS THAT THE WAITING LIST OF THE HANGERS IN OUR GENERAL GEOGRAPHIC AREA, AVERAGE ABOUT 20.
UM, AND THE WAIT TIMES ARE ANYWHERE FROM A FEW MONTHS TO A YEAR PLUS, DEPENDING.
UM, SO WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT AND TRYING TO, UH, GET A HANDLE ON IS IF WE WERE TO BUILD MORE NESTED TEE HANGERS LIKE WE DID, YOU KNOW, 20, ALMOST 20 YEARS AGO NOW, OUCH.
UM, WE'RE NOT SURE THAT THE DEMAND FOR THAT IS THERE.
UM, THERE IS A DEMAND FOR THAT THAT WE FOUND AT OTHER AIRPORTS LIKE NAPA, SANTA ROSA HERE, UH, FOR TURBINE AIRCRAFT.
SO THEY WOULD BE BOX HANGERS, 55, 60 FOOT WINGSPAN, DOOR OPENING TYPES AND LIKE THAT.
SO, UH, THERE SEEMS TO BE A GREATER DEMAND FOR THAT.
UM, MOST OF THE AIRPORTS THAT WE CONTACTED INCREASE THEIR HANGAR RENTS, GENERALLY BASED ON THE CPI CONSUMER PRICE INDEX ANNUALLY.
IN A COUPLE OF CASES, WE FOUND AIRPORTS WOULD ONLY INCREASE RENTS EVERY THREE YEARS, BUT THEN IT WOULD BE OUCH,
SO, UM, AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL LOOKING INTO THAT OF, AND THERE IS A MIX OF THE PERCENTAGE OF HANGERS AT AN AIRPORT THAT ARE OWNED BY THE AIRPORT OR PRIVATELY.
AND IN OUR CASE, THE VAST MAJORITY OF OUR HANGERS ALL BUT ABOUT I THINK 20 OR 25 MAYBE ARE AIRPORT CITY OWNED.
AND WE DID THAT INTENTIONALLY BACK IN THE DAY, UM, AS WELL AS HANGING ON TO THE, UH, FUEL CONCESSION BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WE COULD MANAGE OUR FINANCIAL SITUATION.
OTHER AIRPORTS, UM, HAVEN'T DONE THAT, AND THEY'RE HAVING A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT TIME.
SO ANYWAY, STILL LOOKING INTO THAT.
UM, WE ALSO HAD A THOUGHT THAT IN SOME CASES THERE MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A LARGER HANGAR TO BE ABLE TO STORE MORE THAN ONE GENERAL AVIATION AIRCRAFT.
SO WE MIGHT HAVE TWO OR THREE SINGLE ENGINE AIRCRAFT AS OPPOSED TO ONE LARGER TURBINE AIRCRAFT.
BUT AGAIN, WE STILL NEED TO DETERMINE THE NEED FOR THAT.
AND SO GOING FORWARD, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING IS, UH, CONTINUING TO, UH, CONTACT THE AIRPORT MANAGER OF, UH, VARIOUS AIRPORTS IN OUR GENERAL AREA, AND THEN COMPILE OUR DATA.
AND, UM, NANCY FOUND AN INTERESTING, UM, DOCUMENTATION, I BELIEVE FROM THE FAA,
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WHICH LISTED ALL OF THE AIRCRAFT REGISTERED, BE THEY PRIVATELY OWNED OR PUBLICLY OWNED, BE THEY, YOU KNOW, FIREFIGHTING HELICOPTERS OR HENRY ONE RESCUE CHOPPERS OR SOMETHING IN SONOMA COUNTY.AND IT'S SOMETHING LIKE 750 AND WE'VE GOT 180 200 HERE.
SONOMA COUNTY HAS GOT THREE 50 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SOME OF THE AIRPORTS I CHECKED WITH LIKE CLOVERDALE, THEY'VE GOT A HANDFUL COMPARED TO WHAT WE HAVE.
AND SO WE HAVE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT BALANCING DEMAND WITH WHAT THE NEEDS ARE AND WHAT WE CAN RIGHTFULLY, UM, PROVIDE FOR POTENTIAL, UM, TENANTS.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS PERHAPS DOING SOME OUTREACH TO, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THIS MAYBE A HUNDRED NAUTICAL MILE RANGE OF 54 AIRPORTS AND CONTACT THOSE, UH, PILOTS AND, UH, THE AIRCRAFT OWNERS AND SEE IF WE WERE TO BUILD SOME FACILITY, WOULD THEY BE WILLING TO RELOCATE HERE? UH, THAT'S KIND OF AN OUTREACH FROM WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST BECAUSE WE HAD THE WAITING LIST IN THE PAST.
BUT THE ONE THING WE DID FIND IS THAT WHEN FOLKS IN THE AREA LEARNED THAT WE WERE IN THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING, UM, HANGAR INFRASTRUCTURE, OUR RAMP FILLED UP AND THOSE PEOPLE WERE ON OUR WAITING LIST, AND WHEN THE HANGERS WERE COMPLETED, THE RAMP, UH, ATTENDANCE WENT,
SO, UM, ANYWAY, THERE ARE A LOT OF VARIABLES HERE AND THERE'S NO ABSOLUTE RIGHT ANSWER, BUT WE WANT TO TRY TO GATHER AS MUCH DATA AS WE CAN, WE'LL THEN COMPILE IT IN THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO.
AND THE OTHER THING WE WANNA DO IS, UM, FOLLOW ON TO A, UH, TENANT SURVEY THAT WE DID A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO TO GET A SENSE OF HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THE AREA HAVE A HANGAR THAT THEY HAVE A PRIVATE AIRPLANE IN, AND IF THEY HAD A SECOND AIRPLANE, WOULD THEY BE WILLING, SHOULD A HANGAR LARGER BE AVAILABLE, BRING THEIR SECOND OR THIRD AIRCRAFT AND BASE IT AT PETALUMA INSTEAD OF HAVING TO FLY SOMEWHERE TO GO FLY THE RIVER AIRPLANE.
BUT ANYWAY, JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU GUYS A SENSE THAT IT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
THIS IS GONNA TAKE A WHILE TO COMPILE ALL THIS AND MAKE SENSE OF IT, BUT I THINK WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK.
THAT SOUNDS LIKE REALLY GOOD INFORMATION.
THANK YOU BOTH FOR PUTTING THAT TOGETHER.
UM, JUST TO KIND OF GO OFF OF WHAT TOM SAID IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY MARCUS AND I HAVE BEEN REALLY LOOKING AT THE WAITING LIST AND TRYING TO ENSURE THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON IT ARE IN FACT, ACTIVE, UH, AIRCRAFT OWNERS WILLING AND READY TO MOVE IN.
BECAUSE AT FIRST GLANCE, YOU KNOW, A YEAR OR TWO AGO, UH, YOU'D SAY, YOU KNOW, HEY, WE COULD GO AHEAD AND BUILD, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER A HUNDRED TEE HANGERS AND COME TO FIND OUT THAT MAY NOT BE THE CASE.
SO, UM, IT DEFINITELY IS IMPORTANT.
ONE THING I DO WANNA MENTION ON THE REGISTRATION SIDE IS, ALTHOUGH THERE MAY BE 700 SOME ODD AIRCRAFT REGISTERED IN SONOMA COUNTY, AND I BET THAT THE ONES THAT ARE REGISTERED THERE ARE PROBABLY THERE, HOWEVER, I WOULDN'T DISCOUNT THE AMOUNT OF AIRCRAFT THAT ARE ALSO REGISTERED IN PLACES SUCH AS DELAWARE AND OTHER OUT OF STATE LOCATIONS.
SO THERE'S PROBABLY, UM, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS ACTUAL AIRCRAFT, THERE MAY BE EVEN MORE THAN THAT.
UM, SO I THINK AS WE MOVE FORWARD, IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO FIGURE OUT OKAY, YOU KNOW, IF THE DEMAND IS THERE, UH, AS TOM SAID, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT? WE LOOKING AT 50 BY 50 BOX HANGERS, LARGER EXECUTIVE HANGERS.
YOU KNOW, I DEFINITELY THINK THE DEMAND IS THERE AND TO SOME DEGREE, UM, YOU KNOW, BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME.
THAT 700 DOESN'T INCLUDE IN MARIN COUNTY.
AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S QUITE A FEW AIRCRAFT, UM, THAT ARE BASED IN MARIN COUNTY THAT CHOOSE TO BE BASED IN PETALUMA.
SO I THINK IF WE HAD, IF WE HAD THE FACILITIES, UH, BY DOING A LITTLE OUTREACH, I DEFINITELY THINK WE COULD ATTRACT THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE AIRCRAFT TO PETALUMA.
SO, UH, WE'LL CONTINUE DOWN THE PATH OF JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, UH, FIGURE OUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE DEMAND ACTUALLY IS AND KIND OF CLEANING UP SOME OF THE, UH, THE HANGERS THAT WE HAVE.
AND I CAN, UH, GET AN UPDATE FROM DAN DURING THE MANAGER'S REPORT JUST TO KIND OF SEE WHAT THE STATUS IS.
UM, ANY, UH, NON AD HOC COMMISSIONER COMMENTS? UH, YEAH, ONE THING, IT'S SORT OF THE SEMI AD HOC, UM, AS YOU KNOW, UH, FORMER COMMISSIONER BARRY LAWRENCE, WHO SPENT TWO OR THREE LIFETIMES HERE ON THE COMMISSION.
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THE, UM, SENIOR STAFF LIAISON, AD HOC SUBCOMMITTEE.AND, UM, GIVEN THE CHANGES IN CITY STAFF WITH THE NEW, UM, UH, INTERIM POLICE CHIEF, UM, INTERIM PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR SINCE CHRIS BOLT HAS MOVED ON TO STANFORD UNIVERSITY, BLESS HIS HEART, UH, FIRE CHIEF AND ALL THE REST, UM, WE'RE GONNA HOLD OFF A FEW MONTHS, BUT BARRY IS GOING TO FOLLOW UP PROBABLY IN THE SUMMER, UH, WHEN THE NEW FISCAL YEAR KICKS IN.
AND, UH, THINGS MAY BE CALMED DOWN A BIT, UH, AND MAKE CONTACT WITH THOSE NEW INTERIM HEADS AND, UH, WE'LL MEET WITH HIM, UH, GIVE HIM A SENSE OF WHERE THE AIRPORT COMMISSION IS, WHAT OUR ROLES RESPONSIBILITIES ARE, AND THAT KIND OF THING, AND SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY IDEAS OF, UH, SOMETHING THEY'D LIKE US TO LOOK AT OR A CONCERN OR ANY EVEN SUPPORTING AN INFORMATION THEY MIGHT BE WILLING TO SHARE.
SO ANYWAY, JUST TO GIVE YOU A SENSE, THAT'S PROBABLY IN THE EARLY SUMMER TIMEFRAME.
WELL, I THINK WITH THAT WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO OUR REPORT MANAGER REPORT.
UH, I GOT ONE COMMISSIONER COMMENT.
UM, THE SON OF A FRIEND OF MINE, HE'S IN HIGH SCHOOL, AS PART OF HIS CIVICS CLASS, HE WAS REQUIRED TO WATCH A, UM, CITY COUNCIL COMMISSION COMMITTEE, TELEVIS, UH, UH, PROGRAM, SO TO SPEAK, ON THE ACCESS CHANNEL, AND THEN WRITE UP A REPORT ABOUT IT.
WELL, HE CHOSE THE AIRPORT COMMISSION, AND THE ONE THING HE SAID TO ME, HE, HE CAME UP TO ME LAST WEEK AND HE WAS SHAKING AND SAYS, I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU GUYS SAID YOU GUYS HAVE A MEETING, YOU GET IN, YOU GET IT DONE, BOOM.
I SAID, OKAY, I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH Y'ALL.
WE'LL TAKE ALL THE FANS WE CAN GET.
ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE I GIVE DAN THE FLOOR? ALRIGHT.
ALRIGHT, JUST A REVIEW OF THE FINANCIALS, UH, SO FAR IN THE FISCAL YEAR, AS OF THE END OF, UM, OF, LET'S SEE, 20 APRIL HERE.
UH, THAT MIGHT NOT BE CORRECT.
SO, UH, THIS SHOULD BE TO THE END OF MARCH, I BELIEVE, FEBRUARY OR MARCH.
SO I BELIEVE THIS IS ACTUALLY FEBRUARY.
SO IF YOU IGNORE ONCE AGAIN THE DATE, SORRY ABOUT THE DATE.
UM, SO AT, AT OF 2 29, END OF UH, FEBRUARY, WE SHOW A REVENUE OF 1.4 MILLION AND WE HAVE EXPENDITURES OF 1.5.
UH, CONSIDERING THE, UM, UH, OVER, UH, $500,000 PAYMENT THAT WE MAKE EVERY YEAR IN NOVEMBER, WE ARE DEFINITELY CATCHING UP REVENUE WISE FOR EXPENDITURES.
AND THEN WE LOOK LIKE WE WILL DEFINITELY END THE YEAR IN THE BLACK.
UM, UNLESS THERE'S SOME EXPENSE I'M NOT TRACKING.
UM, WE LOOK REALLY GOOD FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE PROUD OF THAT.
WE ALSO HAVE A, A PAYMENT, A RE REIMBURSEMENT PAYMENT OF APPROXIMATELY $475,000 THAT WILL BE COMING BACK TO US FROM THE FA FROM THE RAMP RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT.
IT'S THE LAST AND FINAL DRAWDOWN, UH, REQUEST, UH, THAT WAS REQUESTED YESTERDAY.
SO I'M HOPING WITHIN NEXT, UH, COUPLE MONTHS WE WILL SHOW THAT AS WELL IN OUR, IN OUR FINANCIALS.
UM, BUT YEAH, SO FAR THROUGH THE YEAR WE'RE, THIS PUTS US, UH, THREE QUARTERS THROUGH THE YEAR, THE END OF FEBRUARY.
AND, UM, WE ARE, WE ARE TRACKING VERY WELL.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT FINANCIALS OR MOVE ON? I'LL GET THE DATES RIGHT EVENTUALLY, I SWEAR
IT'S PROBABLY WON'T USE A TEMPLATE.
UM, MOVING ON TO OPERATIONS, UH, FOR THE AIRFIELD ACCESS UPDATE.
JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND, UH, REMINDER IN, IN LATE 2023, UH, RECEIVED, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE AIRPORT COMMISSION TO, TO LOOK AT THE POSSIBILITY OF PROVIDING A 90 DAY TRIAL ACCESS TO OFF-AIRPORT AIR AIRCRAFT OPERATORS WHO NEEDED TO USE THE AIRCRAFT, EXCUSE ME, THE AIRFIELD ACCESS GATES.
SO TO BE OFF AIRPORT AIRCRAFT LAUNCHING FROM THE AIRPORT USING OUR ACCESS GATES.
UM, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THAT IS NOT, UM, ACCESS FROM FLY-INS FLYING OUTTA THE AIRPORT.
THIS IS JUST FOLKS THAT NEED TO USE OUR GATES TO GET ONTO THE AIRFIELD.
UM, AND WE, WE PRESENT THIS TO THE SEA ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND THE RISK MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT.
THEY EVALUATED THE PROPOSAL, UM, THEIR RECOMMENDATION, THEY LI THEY, THEY DEFINITELY WANNA PROVIDE THE BEST ACCESS AS WE CAN FOR AS MANY USERS AS POSSIBLE.
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RECOMMENDATION WAS A $1 MILLION LIABILITY REQUIREMENT FOR ALL AIRCRAFT.NOT JUST ULTRA LIGHTS COMING THROUGH, BUT ANYTHING.
WE HAD A HELICOPTER THAT SET UP THE AIRPORT ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO THAT IT RE THAT ASSEMBLED A HELICOPTER AND FLEW OUT.
SAME THING, THERE'D BE A $1 MILLION REQUIREMENT.
UM, AND THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH ALL OF OUR OTHER NON-COMMERCIAL AIRPORT AGREEMENTS.
SO TIE DOWNS AIRPORT LICENSES, OUR NON-COMMERCIAL, UH, STANDARD IS 1 MILLION.
SO THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THAT.
UM, THERE WERE PREVIOUS CLAIMS FROM SOME OFF AIRPORT USERS THAT INSURANCE WAS NOT ATTAINABLE.
UM, AND SOME CASES THAT MAY BE TRUE FOR CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT GENERALLY INSURANCE IS AVAILABLE FOR A, A WHOLE HOST OF, UM, ULTRALIGHT USERS INCLUDING POWERED PARAGLIDERS AND OTHER OTHER VEHICLES.
UM, WE, WE PRESENT THIS TO THE FAA, UM, AND AS OF THE BEGINNING OF MARCH, THE A CONFIRMED THAT THERE IS INSURANCE AVAILABLE.
HOWEVER, THEY ARE STILL EVALUATING, UH, THE REQUIREMENTS TO GET THAT INSURANCE AND ALL THE ASPECTS OF THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT ACCESS TO INSURANCE.
SO THEY ARE LOOKING AT, BUT THEY DID CONFIRM OF OFFICIALLY THAT THERE IS INSURANCE AVAILABLE.
UM, THE CITY'S WAITING TO FINALIZE, UH, AVAILABLE OPTIONS, YOU KNOW, POLICY MOVING FORWARD, UM, UNTIL WE GET RESPONSE FROM THE FA OFFICIAL RESPONSE THAT HAS EVALUATED OUR PROPOSAL FOR A A $1 MILLION, UM, LIABILITY REQUIREMENT FOR ALL OFF AIRPORT USERS THAT NEED TO USE THE AIRCRAFT, UH, THE AIRFIELD ACCESS GATES TO LAUNCH THEIR AIRCRAFT.
UM, EITHER NO MATTER WHAT THE REQUIREMENT WILL BE, THERE WILL BE SOME SORT OF LIABILITY REQUIREMENT TO COME IN THE AIRFIELD.
WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT THAT NUMBER IS AND ANY OTHER RESTRICTIONS WITH THAT.
SO WE'RE STILL WORKING ON IT, BUT IF YOU, THE DELAY, IF YOU WILL, IS WE ARE WAITING FOR THE FAA, SO WE, WE MOVE AT THEIR SPEED.
UM, AND WE ARE WAITING FOR FURTHER RESPONSE AS PART OF THIS.
UM, THEY DID ASK FOR ASK ABOUT SEVERAL, UM, ITEMS INCLUDING TITLE 16, WHICH THE OLD 1992 VERSION DOES HAVE A, UH, PRIOR PERMISSION REQUIRED.
UM, THE FA IS NO LONGER, UH, IN FAVOR OF PPS.
UM, AND WE CONCUR THAT WAS TAKEN OUT, UH, SEVERAL YEARS AGO DURING THE 2021 REVISION.
THAT WAS, UH, WORKED ON PRIMARILY BY, UM, UH, PRIMARILY BY, UH, RICK DUSTY AND A FEW OTHERS.
UH, WHO, WHO EVALUATED NOT ONLY THE MINIMUM STANDARDS TO THE AIRPORT AND PROVIDE A REVISION, BUT ALSO TITLE 16, THE, UM, MUNICIPAL CODE.
SO, UM, WE DID, UH, PROVIDE THEM WITH OUR DRAFT REVISION.
JUST TO BE CLEAR, IT IS A DRAFT REVISION, UM, THAT DOES NOT HAVE THAT PPR IN IT.
UM, THAT IS NOT THE CURRENT VERSION.
THE 1992 VERSION IS STILL, THERE, STILL STANDS.
AND UNTIL WE GET FA RESPONSE ON THAT REVISION, UH, THEY DON'T APPROVE IT, BUT THEY, THEY JUST WOULD LET US KNOW IF THERE'S ANY, UM, COMMENTS OR, UH, ISSUES THEY HAVE WITH IT, THEN WE WOULD BRING THAT BACK TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE FINAL REVIEW, AND THEN TO COUNSEL FOR APPROVAL BEFORE IT WOULD BE RATIFIED INTO, UM, THE MUNICIPAL CODE.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE WITH WITH TILE 16.
DID THEY GIVE YOU A SENSE OF WHEN THAT MIGHT, WHEN THEY MIGHT HAVE THAT REVIEW FINISHED WITH THEIR COMMENTS? N NO, UNFORTUNATELY, THE TITLE 16 E HAS TO BE REVIEWED AT THE LOCAL LEVEL.
AND WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH, UH, COMPLIANCE OFFICERS THAT ARE, UM, IN ANOTHER, UH, ANOTHER AREA OF, OF THE STATE.
I I THINK THEY'RE PART OF THE SAME DIVISION, BUT THEY'RE JUST NOT LOCAL.
AND THE INTENT IS TO HAVE THE LOCAL A DO, UH, OFFICE LOOK AT THAT AND BE ABLE TO EVALUATE.
OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE A LOT OF THINGS IN THEIR QUEUE, AND SO I DON'T HAVE A TIMELINE FOR THAT.
UM, BUT THE, THE COMPLIANCE OFFICER IS, IS TRYING TO GET MOVEMENT ON THAT.
AND THIS SEEMED LIKE THE BEST TIME TO ANY, TO HAVE THEM EVALUATE THIS.
UH, AND WE ALSO WILL HAVE A, WE'VE ALSO GOTTEN SOME FEEDBACK ALREADY ON MINIMUM STANDARDS, WHICH WAS SUBMITTED ALMOST THREE YEARS NOW.
UM, AND WE ARE GETTING A LOT OF TRACTION ON THAT AS WELL, SO THAT WE'D LIKE TO CLOSE OUT BOTH PART THIRTEENS AND, UM, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD INCLUDE BOTH DOCUMENTS.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION ON, ON THAT, ON ACCESS? NO, WE'RE NOT, OH, WAS OVER.
UM, ARE WE ALLOWING ANY ACCESS? CURRENTLY? WE ARE.
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HAVE A FORM, WE HAVE AN ONLINE FORM.THERE IS A CONSENT PORTION OF THAT FORM THAT ACKNOWLEDGES OUR RULES AND REGS, AND WE ARE ALLOWING ACCESS RIGHT NOW.
UM, IF THIS, UH, $1 MILLION LIABILITY, UM, PROPOSAL IS, DOESN'T HAVE ANY FA UM, OBJECTIONS, THEN WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT IN, IN MAYBE ONE OR TWO DIFFERENT FORMS. THERE MIGHT BE A TEMPORARY VERSION OF THAT VERSUS A LONG-TERM AGREEMENT, BUT EITHER WAY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET SOME THE LIABILITY AND MOST LIKELY IT'S GONNA BE THE 1 MILLION FOR ANY USER.
AND, UH, JUST TO ADD TO THAT, WE, WE DID HEAR BACK FROM OUR TENANTS AS WELL, SEVERAL TENANTS WHO WERE VERY CONCERNED WITH JUST ANYONE COMING ONTO THE AIRFIELD THAT DIDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE SOME SORT OF LIABILITY COVERAGE.
UM, VARYING, VARYING FEEDBACK FROM, I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE, YOU KNOW, I LEAVE MY HANGAR OPEN SOMETIMES I DON'T FEEL DO CARE, I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE DOING THAT ANYMORE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WHEN SOMEBODY HITS MY AIRPLANE WITHOUT INSURANCE.
UM, SO THERE HAS BEEN SOME FEEDBACK, UM, IN PARTIALLY IN RESPONSE TO THE NEWSLETTER, UH, ITEM THAT WE ADDED IN THIS LAST UH, EDITION.
UH, MOVING ON TO A FUEL UPDATE.
THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS AND A REQUEST TO, TO DISCUSS, UM, SOME OF THE NEW, UH, UNLEADED PRODUCTS THAT ARE, UM, STARTING TO POTENTIALLY COME ONLINE, UM, THAT ARE BEING OFFERED BY CERTAIN VENDORS, UM, AT THIS TIME.
UM, NONE OF THESE PRODUCTS ARE, UM, A STM UH, CERTIFIED.
SO A STM IS THE AMERICAN SOCIETY OF TESTING AND MATERIALS.
IT'S THE, THE STANDARD THAT WE USE FOR ALL, UH, AIRCRAFT FUEL CURRENTLY AT THE AIRPORT.
ALL OF THE FUELS THAT WE PROVIDE THROUGH OUR VENDOR, OUR A STM, UH, CERTIFIED, UH, NONE OF THESE UNLEADED PRODUCTS THAT HAVE BEEN, UM, HAVEN'T BEEN OFFERED YET, BUT THE ONES THAT ARE, ARE IN DEVELOPMENT CURRENTLY DO NOT MEET THIS STANDARD.
WHAT THAT DOES FOR US IS IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT TO OFFER ALTERNATIVE PRODUCTS, UH, WITH LIABILITY CONCERNS SINCE THE MAJOR OIL PRODUCERS AND THEIR, UM, VENDORS OF THOSE BYPRODUCTS DO NOT, UM, ARE NOT BACKING THESE NEW PRODUCTS YET, UH, IT POSES A LIABILITY CONCERN FOR THE CITY.
UM, YOU KNOW, OUR COMMITMENT IS TO MOVE AWAY FROM LEGACY, UH, FUELS AS, AS FAST AS, UH, AS FEASIBLE AND AS FAST AS IT IS, UH, SAFE.
UM, BUT THAT IS ONE OF THE MAJOR ROADBLOCKS THAT WE SEE MOVING FORWARD IS THAT WHILE THERE ARE STCS FOR AT LEAST ONE OF THESE PRODUCTS THAT ARE COMING OUT, UM, THAT DOES NOT MAKE THE PRODUCT, UH, DOES NOT GIVEN ANY BACKING FROM THE INDUSTRY, IT IS PROVIDED ALMOST IN A EXPERIMENTAL TYPE OF CATEGORY.
UM, NOT, NOT BY NAME, BUT THE WAY IT'S BEING ROLLED OUT.
SO, JUST WANTED TO TO TOUCH ON THAT REAL QUICK.
'CAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN, UM, THERE'S SALES FOLKS THAT ARE RUN AROUND WITH ALL KINDS OF, UH, OFFERS AND PROMISES AND WHATNOT.
AND, UH, WE, LIKE I SAID, WE WANNA MOVE AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN AWAY FROM LEGACY PRODUCTS.
HOWEVER, HOWEVER, UM, UH, WE, WE DON'T WANNA DO IT IN A WAY THAT PUTS, UH, ANYONE AT JEOPARDY, UM, ESPECIALLY THE CITY AND THE, AND THE TENANTS.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? I KNOW THAT'S, I REALLY WAS JUST WANTED TO KIND OF FOCUS THIS ON THE SCOPE OF AVAILABILITY THROUGH OUR CURRENT, UM, SUPPLIER.
UM, AND THERE'S OTHER THINGS WE'RE LOOKING INTO AS WELL.
EVENTUALLY IT WOULD BE GREAT TO GO TO, UH, SOME OTHER PRODUCTS LIKE SAF, UH, FOR OUR, OUR JET USERS, THINGS THAT WE'RE ALL LOOKING INTO, UM, AS A FUTURE POSSIBILITIES.
AND JUST TO REMIND ME, UM, WE WOULD BE CONSIDERING PUTTING THIS IN AS AN ADDITIONAL FUELING SERVICE FACILITY TO THE CONVENTIONAL PRODUCTS THAT WE CURRENTLY OFFER.
THIS WOULD BE A REPLACEMENT FOR, UM, ALL CURRENT GASOLINE PRODUCTS.
YEAH, THAT'S GONNA BE A WHILE.
UM, THERE'S, UH, PHYSICAL CONSTRAINTS WITH THE LAND TO, TO ADD ANOTHER, UH, TANK.
UM, THERE'S ALSO CONCERNS ABOUT CONFUSION AND, AND ALL THAT.
SO IT WOULD BE A COMPLETE TRANSITION OVER, UM, INTO A PRODUCT THAT MET THE SAME, AT LEAST AT, AT
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BARE MINIMUM.IF WE CAN WORK OUT ALL THE LIABILITY ISSUES, THE SAME SPECIFICATIONS, UM, THE HOPE WOULD BE THAT WE COULD, UH, CONVERT OVER TO A PRODUCT THAT MM-HMM.
THAT WOULD BE OUR, THAT IS OUR GOAL.
AND I THINK NATIONWIDE, THAT'S PROBABLY THE, THE GOAL OF MOST AIRPORTS.
BUT, UM, WE'LL, WE'LL SEE HOW IT GOES.
AND LIKE I SAID, OUR COMMITMENT IS TO MOVE AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN.
SO IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT AN ISSUE OF LACK OF DESIRE TO, TO, TO CHANGE.
IT'S MORE OF JUST A, UM, MORE OF A LEGAL LIABILITY CONCERN.
ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE GONNA BE REPLACING WHAT'S CURRENTLY AVAILABLE, THAT BECOMES REALLY ESSENTIAL.
UM, JUST BEFORE, UM, I ALSO THINK THIS IS REALLY CONNECTS TO WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN DOING WITH MARKET SURVEYS AS WELL BECAUSE THERE'S PROBABLY, UM, SOME STRONG OPINIONS IN THE PILOT COMMUNITY, UM, BOTH IN FAVOR AND AGAINST, UM, MOVING TO, TO THIS NEW OPTION.
SO I THINK THAT MIGHT, IF THIS IS GONNA BE THE EXCLUSIVE FUEL AVAILABLE ON THE FIELD, THAT MIGHT PUSH YOUR NUMBERS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
AND OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I DON'T KNOW WHICH WAY, BUT I CAN'T IMAGINE IT WOULD BE NEUTRAL.
UM, THE, UM, ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WAS STATED AS, UM, NECESSARY FOR THIS FUEL TO BE, UM, REASONABLE AND USEFUL IS THAT, UM, THE UNLEADED AND THE CURRENT FUEL WE USE WERE TOTALLY COMPATIBLE.
IF YOU WERE TO MIX THEM, THEY WOULDN'T CAUSE AN ISSUE.
AND SO FAR THE FUELS THAT HAVE BEEN, UM, CREATED, DESIGNED, AND IN THE CASE OF THE ONE THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE FAA LAST JULY OF 22, IT WAS TOTALLY COMPATIBLE WITH THE CURRENT FUEL.
UM, AND IN SUPPORT OF THAT, THE AIRCRAFT OWNERS AND PILOTS ASSOCIATION IS RUNNING THEIR OWN TEST ON THE CURRENT FUEL PLUS THE UNLEADED FUEL BY USING IT IN A TWIN ENGINE BEACHCRAFT THE CURRENT FUEL IN ONE ENGINE AND THE NEW FUEL IN THE OTHER ENGINE.
AND THEY'RE RUNNING THEM, UM, WITH THE ENGINE SET AT THE SAME, UH, INITIAL STATE OF, UM, OPERATIONAL EFFECTIVENESS AND, YOU KNOW, HOURS ON THE, ON THE ENGINES.
SO THAT WE'LL GET A, A GOOD VIEW OF HOW THESE TWO FUELS THE CURRENT ONE PLUS THE NEW ONE WORK.
'CAUSE WE'VE GOT A TEST BASE, WE'VE GOT THIS AIRPLANE, TWO ENGINES, AND THEY'RE COMPARE A TO B SO FAR, IT LOOKS AS THOUGH THERE ARE, UH, FEWER DEPOSITS ON THE SPARK PLUGS IN THE ENGINE THAT IS RUNNING THE UNLEADED FUEL AND THE VALVE HEADS LOOK A LITTLE BETTER, LESS DEPOSITS.
SO THEY'RE CONTINUING THIS, I DON'T KNOW HOW FOR MANY HOURS, BUT THE AIRCRAFT IS, UH, ONGOING AND QUITE ACTIVE.
SO THIS IS PART OF THE WAY THEY'RE TRYING TO ESTABLISH THE VIABILITY OF THE NEW PROPOSED FUEL.
AND I JUST HAVE ONE COMMENT ON HERE THAT, UH, AT THE CURRENT TIME, ANY OF THE NEW FUELS ARE GONNA REQUIRE AN STC TO LEGALLY USE THEM? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT NUMBERS OF STCS ARE OUT THERE FOR THE NEW FUEL, BUT MY GUESS IS IT'S IN THE VERY LOW DIGITS.
SO IF WE'RE GONNA BE CHANGING OVER EXCLUSIVELY, UM, YOU KNOW, UNTIL THE CURRENT AIRCRAFT THAT ARE PURCHASING FUEL FROM US END UP GETTING THESE S STCS INSTALLED ON THEIR AIRCRAFT, UH, ONCE THE SWITCH IS MADE, ANYBODY WHO DOESN'T HAVE THE STC WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO LEGALLY PURCHASE THE FUEL AND USE IT.
YOU KNOW, WE ALSO NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ALIENATING ANY OF OUR CURRENT CUSTOMERS.
UM, 'CAUSE ONCE, ONCE THE SWITCH IS DONE, IT'S DONE.
AND THE, UH, I THINK A OPA HAS STATED THE STC IS GONNA COST ABOUT THE EQUIVALENT OF ONE FULL TANK OF GAS.
I KNOW FOR OUR PLANES, JEFF, IT'S ABOUT $425 AND A COUNCIL MEMBER.
NOW DID YOU HAVE A, I I WAS JUST WONDERING IF YOU HAVE TO NOTICE THE NEIGHBORS WHEN YOU'RE ADDING A, A ADDITIONAL TANK OR FUEL IF WE ADDED AN ADDITIONAL TANK, ABSOLUTELY.
IT WOULD BE A WHOLE, IT WOULD BE A WHOLE PROCESS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE WOULD BE PROBABLY QUITE A BIT OF, UM, RESISTANCE TO SOME, A PROJECT LIKE THAT.
AND SO
UM, AND THAT, THAT IS NOT TO SAY THAT COULD HAPPEN AT SOME POINT, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THE WAY OR DIRECTION WE'RE GOING.
UM, AND THE, THE IN THE CAPACITY OF TANKS WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS SUFFICIENT FOR OUR NEEDS.
I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE BECAUSE MM-HMM.
I, I LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
YEAH, NO, IN INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, UM, I THINK THIS IS A, AN ISSUE WHERE I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S AS CUT AND DRY AS YOU MIGHT EXPECT, BECAUSE IF WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE A HUNDRED PERCENT CONFIDENCE THAT ANY AIRPORT
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USER CAN SAFELY USE THE NEW FUEL, THAT'S GOING TO DELAY THE AVAILABILITY OF THIS FUEL BY SOME TIME, POSSIBLY A DECADE PLUS, RIGHT? SO IF WE ARE COMMITTED TO BRINGING AN UNLEADED OPTION TO ANYONE WHO CAN USE AN UNLEADED OPTION AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, THAT WOULD REQUIRE BEING ADDITIVE.SO IF WE'RE WANTING TO MAKE MORE UNLEADED FUEL AVAILABLE FASTER, THAT BECOMES ADDITIVE TO WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
IF WE'RE UNWILLING TO BE ADDITIVE TO WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, THAT WILL PUSH OFF THE ADOPTION OF ANY CAPACITY OF THAT UNLEADED ADOPTION FARTHER INTO THE FUTURE.
UM, BUT I THINK BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE ADDITION THAT WE WOULD BE POTENTIALLY SUGGESTING, IT'S NOT AS CLEAR CUT, I THINK AS IT WOULD BE IF IT WAS JUST ANOTHER, UM, LEADED STORAGE FACILITY.
SO NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE NEED TO CHANGE OUR PLANS, BUT DEPENDING ON HOW QUICKLY WE PROGRESS THROUGH THIS AS AN INDUSTRY, IT MAY BE WORTH, UM, LOOKING AT WHAT BENEFITS YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO BRING IN THE CENTER.
AND THAT BRINGS UP, IT'S ANOTHER GOOD POINT THAT YOU MENTIONED, UM, AIRCRAFT BASED IN PETALUMA, GENERALLY FUEL IN PETALUMA, BUT WE GET A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE FROM NOT IN THE AREA, MANY OF WHOM ARE FROM OUT OF STATE.
AND WE HAVE TO BE VERY MINDFUL THAT IF WE WERE TO PUSH THIS AHEAD OF SORT OF INDUSTRY AND HAVE ONLY THE UNLEADED FUEL AVAILABLE, AND IF SOMEBODY FLIES IN AND DOESN'T KNOW THAT AND DOESN'T HAVE THE STC 425 BUCKS OR WHATEVER IT IS TO DEMONSTRATE, YES, I'M ABLE AND LEGALLY ENTITLED AND ABLE TO BUY THIS FUEL, THEY'RE GONNA BE STUCK.
AND THIS HAS HAPPENED DOWN IN REED HILLVIEW WHERE THE, UH, SANTA CLARA, SANTA CLARA COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OUTLAWED, FLOODED FUEL DOWN THERE.
UM, AND, UH, IT'S CAUSED NO END OF CONCERN DOWN THERE FOR THE AIRPORT AND PUT IT AT A VERY ECONOMIC, UM, UM, AN ECONOMICALLY TOUGH SITUATION AND POTENTIALLY HAZARDOUS, UM, IF YOU CAN'T BUY THE FUEL AND YOU CAN'T USE IT.
IN THE CASE OF REED HILLVIEW, THEY'RE NOT SELLING A HUNDRED LOWLIGHT ANYMORE.
AND THAT POTENTIALLY PUTS PILOTS AND PEOPLE AT RISK.
IMAGINE SOMEBODY RUNNING OUT FUEL OR HAVING MIS FUELED WITH A DIFFERENT TYPE OF FUEL THAT WASN'T CERTIFIED FOR THE AIRCRAFT AND HAVING ENGINE DAMAGE AND THE AIRCRAFT GO DOWN AND PEOPLE GET INJURED OR KILLED, LET ALONE PEOPLE ON THE GROUND.
IT'S NOT LIKE, EW, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE MORE INTEGRATED.
THERE ARE MORE VARIABLES INVOLVED.
AND SO I THINK AS WE PLAN TO INTEGRATE THIS INTO OUR, UH, FUEL SYSTEM, IT HAS TO BE, UM, CONTINGENT UPON WHERE THE ENTIRE GENERAL AVIATION COMMUNITY IS THAT USES THIS FUEL BECAUSE WE COULD PUT A LOT OF PEOPLE AT RISK.
AND SPEAKING OF INSURANCE HAZARDS, WE DON'T WANNA BE IN THAT SITUATION.
SO I THINK WE HAVE TO THINK OF THIS SORT OF IN A MORE, UH, HOLISTIC CONTEXT THAN JUST, OH, WE DEMAND, IT'S NOT THAT EASY.
PEOPLE COULD BE AND LIVES COULD BE PUT AT RISK AND, AND WE CAN'T BE IN THAT POSITION.
SO ANYWAY, THANKS THAT, THAT'S WHY MY GOING IN ASSUMPTION HAD BEEN THAT IT WOULD BE ADDED, BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY WAY I SEE OUT OF THAT SAFETY CONCERN, FRANKLY.
BUT YOU CAN TALK ABOUT THAT MORE LATER.
SO MOVING ON TO STAFFING, UM, OUR, UH, MOST EXPERIENCED, UH, AIRPORT ATTENDANT, UH, ROB LOFFER, YOU MAY HAVE MET HIM AT SOME POINT.
UH, HE'S, HE SERVED THE AIRPORT SINCE, UH, 2019.
UM, HE GAVE LA UH, NOTICE LAST MONTH.
HIS LAST DAY WAS, UH, THE 27TH OF, UH, MARCH.
AND, UM, WE ARE NOW ACTIVELY RECRUITING FOR A NEW ATTENDANT.
UM, IN THE INTERIM WE ARE, UH, COVERING THE VACANCY, UH, USING JUST OUR, OUR, UM, HER WEEKDAY, UH, CONTINGENT OF STAFF.
AND, UH, UH, AND FOR THE MOST PART, WE'LL SHOULD BE ABLE TO COVER THAT, UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MAYBE SOME CITY HOLIDAYS THAT FALL ON A EITHER A MONDAY OR A TUESDAY.
UM, UH, WE WON'T, THERE WON'T BE ANY SIGNIFICANT OVERTIME OR EXPENSE THROUGH THIS.
AND WE'VE GOT SOME GOOD CANDIDATES SO FAR LOOKS LIKE, SO WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE RECRUITING, BUT I JUST, UM, ROB DOESN'T LIKE ATTENTION.
UM, HE DIDN'T WANNA MAKE A BIG DEAL OF HIS DEPARTURE, BUT I JUST WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE, UM, HIS OUTSTANDING SERVICE FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS, UM, TO THE AIRPORT AND THE AVIATION COMMUNITY.
UM, HE WAS WITH THE REST OF THE, THE, UH, TEAM AT THE AIRPORT.
HE WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN SUPPORTING US THROUGH THE LAST FIVE YEARS TO AIRPORT MANAGERS, THE FIRES, COVID, OVID.
HE'S TRAINED MOST OF THE CURRENT, I THINK ALL OF THE CURRENT ATTENDANTS, UM, THAT ARE OUT THERE.
SO JUST TO WANNA GIVE A KUDOS.
AND, UM, YEAH, WE, WE MOVE FORWARD.
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QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THOSE ITEMS? I, I WILL TOUCH QUICKLY ON, UM, HANGAR STATUS, UH, PER THE QUEST.UM, YEAH, CURRENTLY ALL THE HANGERS ARE FILLED.
UH, WE DON'T, WE HAVE SOME VACANCIES THAT ARE COMING DOWN.
THERE ARE SEVERAL TENANTS THAT, UM, WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO GET HANGERS BUT DIDN'T NECESSARILY NEED, UM, A NEWER HANGAR OR SUCH A LARGE HANGAR THAT THEY JUST GOT IN.
SO THAT WE HAVE A COUPLE HANGERS THAT ARE COMING THROUGH THAT ARE GOING TO BE SORT OF AN UPGRADE DOWNGRADE SITUATION FOR SOME OF OUR TENANTS.
SO, UM, THERE'LL BE A LITTLE BIT OF MOVEMENT, PROBABLY TWO OR THREE HANGERS.
I THINK THEY HAVE THREE RIGHT NOW THAT ARE COMING AVAILABLE.
UM, BUT WE ANTICIPATE THEM ALL GOING RIGHT BACK INTO, INTO CONTRACT.
WE DO HAVE A FEW OUTLIERS STILL THAT WE'RE WORKING ON, UH, WITH, UM, EITHER LACK OF AIRCRAFT, UM, INSURANCE ISSUES, UH, THOSE SORT OF THINGS THAT WE ARE, ARE STILL, UH, WORKING ON.
AND WE'LL PROBABLY FREE UP TWO OR THREE MORE HANGERS THROUGH THOSE.
BUT, UH, WE MADE SOME GOOD PROGRESS AND, UM, AT SOME POINT WE MAY START, UM, YOU KNOW, A FURTHER CAMPAIGN LIKE DISCUSSED ABOUT AIRCRAFT THAT HAVEN'T FLOWN IN OVER A DECADE.
THAT IS, THAT'S DEFINITELY AN ISSUE.
AND, UM, IT HASN'T BEEN OUR, OUR TARGET, UM, UP TO NOW JUST BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY OTHER OUTLIERS.
BUT, UM, THAT WILL BE SOMETHING WE'RE LOOKING AT THERE.
THAT IS A MORE DIFFICULT CONVERSATION TO HAVE.
UM, AND, UM, BUT IT IS ON OUR RADAR AND WE'RE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T, HAVEN'T HAD AN OPERATE AN AIRCRAFT IN, IN A LONG TIME TO LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS.
AND, AND FOR SOME OF 'EM THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GIVE UP THAT AIRCRAFT AND, UH, FREE UP A HANGAR.
SO ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? OKAY.
ALRIGHT, UH, MOVING ON TO PROJECTS.
UH, SO FAR IT LOOKS FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR 25.
UM, THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT'S REALLY TRYING TO BE REALISTIC OF WHAT WE CAN ACCOMPLISH, UM, IN THIS FISCAL YEAR.
SO THE ONLY TWO PROJECTS FOR SURE THAT, UM, ARE CONTINUED FOR A GO KIND OF MOVING FORWARD, UM, ARE THE TAXIWAY AND TAXI LANE PROJECTS.
UM, THERE'S A SAFETY ZONE THAT KIND OF, THAT'S KIND OF HANGING OUT THERE.
UM, WE'RE, WE HAVE AN EXISTING CONTRACT FOR ANOTHER PROJECT THAT COULD SPEED THAT UP, BUT FOR NOW THE FOCUS IS GONNA BE ON TAXI.
WE ALL FUND TAXI, WE BRAVO, WE INFORM NOT JUST THIS FISCAL YEAR, BUT UM, UH, INTO 26, WHICH IS WHAT THESE TWO PROJECTS ARE SCHEDULED FOR, FOR CONSTRUCTION.
SO OVER THE NEXT YEAR WE ARE GONNA BE FOCUSING ON GETTING, UM, THE FUNDING, UH, CONFIRMED FOR BOTH OF THOSE PROJECTS TOGETHER.
I BELIEVE THEY ARE ABOUT 2.1 MILLION IN MATCHING GRANTS.
UM, SO THAT, UH, ALL, ALL, UH,
UH, THERE'S ALSO SOME, UM, UH, SOME OF THE FUNDING IS COMING FROM, UH, THE BIL.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA HAPPEN.
AT LEAST ONE OF 'EM WILL HAPPEN FOR SURE.
I'M NOT SURE ABOUT BOTH, BUT, UM, ANYWAY, THAT'S GONNA BE THE, THE FOCUS OF ENGINEERING.
UH, WE DO HAVE THE FUEL FARM WORK THAT'S JUST BEEN ON THE, THE BACK BURNER FOR A WHILE.
IT DOESN'T, IT'S NOT CAUSING US ANY IMMEDIATE, UM, OPERATIONAL ISSUES, BUT IT IS A, IT IS SOMETHING THAT WILL NEED TO BE ADDRESSED AT SOME POINT.
UM, SOME OF IT'S JUST, UH, PUMPS AND, UM, UH, CORROSION PROTECTION AND OTHER THINGS THAT JUST ARE DUE.
UM, BUT BECAUSE OF THE SPECIALTY OF THIS, THIS WORK, IT DOES TAKE, UM, CONSIDERABLE STAFF TIME TO DO IT.
SO OVER THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT, UM, GETTING A DESIGN CONTRACTOR TO WORK, START WORKING ON THAT, UM, IN FISCAL YEAR, UH, 20, PROBABLY 26, UH, TO, TO, TO GET THE, THE FIELD FARM, UH, ITEMS TAKEN CARE OF.
SO, SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE, WE'VE KIND OF PAIRED BACK, BUT, UM, BUT WE ARE ENCOURAGED THAT THE BOTH THE TAXIWAY TAXI LANE PROJECTS ARE STILL MOVING FORWARD AND WILL GET THE SUPPORT FROM, FROM THE ENGINEERING GROUP.
UM, THERE IS, THERE IS A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL OUT FOR POWER BACKUP ACROSS THE CITY.
WE'RE HOPING TO, TO POSSIBLY, UM, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT WITH OUR POWER BACKUP NEEDS.
UM, THAT PROJECT'S KIND OF ALSO ON THE BACK BURNER UNTIL WE GET PROGRESS.
WE WOULD LIKE TO HANDLE THIS, UM, WITH THE REST OF THE PROJECTS FOR THE CITY.
IT JUST MAKES SENSE, UM, FOR CONTINUITY AND, UM, AND FOR COST, UH, WE COULD DO A LOT.
I THINK A LOT COULD BOUGHT BETTER PRICE.
SO, UM, THAT ONE'S KIND OF ALSO SITTING WAITING.
UM, BUT IT IS NOT, DEFINITELY NOT OFF THE LIST.
WE ARE, WE ARE STILL MOVING FORWARD.
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DIRECT, UH, COMMITMENT TO THAT OVER THE NEXT, UH, COUPLE OF FISCAL YEARS.UH, WE DID SHARE ABOUT THE CHARGERS.
I DON'T HAVE ANY UPDATES ON THAT.
I, AS I GET THEM, I'LL, I'LL GIVE 'EM TO YOU.
BUT, UM, UH, WE, WE ARE TRYING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF SOME GRANTS, UH, RIGHT NOW AND THAT THAT COULD IN INVOLVE VEHICLE CHARGES AT THE AIRPORT, BUT I DON'T HAVE CONFIRMATION YET.
UM, HAGER FEASIBILITY, UH, WE, WE DO HAVE IT IN OUR, UH, BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 25.
WE HAVE A TENTATIVE AGREEMENT TO, TO, UM, TO GET THAT DONE, UH, WHICH WILL BE EXECUTED ONCE WE GET APPROVAL FOR THAT ITEM IN THE BUDGET.
UM, AS AS MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, IT'LL BE FOCUSED, UH, VERY MUCH ON THE MARKET AND, UM, THE PHYSICAL LIMITATIONS OF THE LAND THAT WE HAVE.
AND I THINK THAT'S FOR SURE, UH, A DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL PAY PAYBACK.
UM, WILL, WOULD BE HAVE NO ISSUES, UH, FILLING THOSE.
UM, THERE IS A GROWING INTEREST IN MULTI AIRCRAFT, UM, TENANTS.
SO MULT, UH, MULTIPLE AIRCRAFT, SMALLER AIRCRAFT IN A LARGER HANGAR THAT WE'VE HEARD THAT FROM SEVERAL TENANTS, EVEN FOLKS THAT ARE ON THE WAITING LIST THAT WOULD LIKE TO JUST HAVE ALL THEIR AIRCRAFT IN ONE HANGER.
UM, WHERE WHILE WE CAN'T REALLY AFFORD TO PROVIDE THAT NOW AS HANGERS COME UP, THEY USUALLY GO TO AN AIRCRAFT THAT'S APPROPRIATELY SIZED, UH, SUCH AS LIKE A 60 FOOT HANGER TENDS TO GO TO AN AIRCRAFT WITH A 50 FOOT WINGSPAN.
UM, BUT, UM, WE WOULD, WE WOULD LOVE FOR, UM, FOR CERTAIN USERS TO HAVE THAT OPTION IF THEY, IF THE ONE WAS AVAILABLE AND, AND THE UM, DEMAND, THERE WAS NO DEMAND FOR A LARGER AIRCRAFT, UH, STORAGE OF A LARGER AIRCRAFT.
WE WOULD, WE WOULD LIKE THAT TO BE AN OPTION FOR, UH, EITHER EITHER CURRENT TENANTS OR, UH, POTENTIAL TENANTS ON OUR, UH, WAITING LIST.
SO DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT'LL BE PART OF THAT, THAT STUDY.
IS THIS, UM, HANGAR ROW TWO REPAIR PROJECT? IS THIS THE HANGAR THAT WAS DAMAGED? MM-HMM.
IT'S BEEN LIKE WHAT THREE YEARS DO WE GET, UM, FROM THE INSURANCE COMPANY, THE BACK RENT THAT WE COULD HAVE BEEN RENTING THE SANGER? 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T RENT IT WHILE IT WAS DAMAGED.
SO THE LOSS OF RENTAL INCOME, DO WE GET TO GET THAT BACK FROM THE INSURANCE COMPANY? THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION.
UM, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD DEFINITELY BE A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION.
UM, BUT WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK INTO IT.
IT, THE AMOUNT, UM, COMPARED TO THE OVERALL COST OF THE PROJECT, UM, I, I THINK IS PRETTY LOW.
UM, THAT, THAT PARTICULAR HANGAR BY ITSELF, UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS LESS THAN 6,000 A YEAR.
AND THE, UM, TIMES THE, THE HANGER THAT WE GAVE US THREE YEARS, FOUR AND, AND, AND IT WILL BE FOUR COMING UP.
UM, THE HANGER THAT WE GAVE AND, AND, UH, AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO THE, THE TENT THAT WAS DISPLACED IS, IS IN, IS THAT SUB SUB 6,000? I THINK IT'S LIKE 5,000 BE WORK OUT TO PAY ABOUT 5,000 A YEAR.
SO IT IS NOT INSIGNIFICANT, BUT COMPARED TO THE OVERALL, UM, PROJECT IT, IT, AND, AND THE REIMBURSEMENT FOR THAT, IT, IT IS A SMALLER NUMBER.
SO SOMETHING WE'LL LOOK INTO, UM, WE, YEAH, WELL WE WILL LOOK INTO IT AND IT WOULD BE RISK MANAGEMENT.
AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE FULLY AWARE OF ALL THE STAGES THAT WE ARE, HAVE BEEN THROUGH AND ARE AT RIGHT NOW.
WITH A NEW RISK MANAGER, IT'S, IT'S GREAT TO BRING THEM OFF TO SPEED AND WE'VE DONE THAT, SO, YEAH.
SO ON THAT, ON THAT TOPIC, UH, WE, WE HAVE A DESIGN CONTRACTOR.
I THINK AS OF THIS WEEK THEY'RE RIGHT ABOUT, UH, 75% ON THE DESIGN.
UM, AND WE SHOULD HAVE, UH, UH, 99 BY MAY SOMETIME IN MAY.
WE, WE SHOULD HAVE THAT READY TO GO TO TWO BIDS.
SO WE ARE VERY, VERY CLOSE TO GOING TO BID.
AND UM, YOU KNOW, I DO DO APOLOGIZE FOR THE DELAY.
IT IS, IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN SOMETHING, BUT IT, IT HAS KINDA SHOWN US THE PROCESS KIND OF MOVING FORWARD WITH ANY PROJECT THAT INCLUDES SPECIALTY WORK.
AND SO I THINK WE HAVE A MUCH BETTER IDEA OF THE WAY TO GO ABOUT DOING THINGS LIKE THE FUEL FARM, UH, REHAB, UM, JUST BASED ON THE, THE SIZE OF THE CITY, WHAT THE RESOURCES WE HAVE AND, UM, THE EXPERTISE THAT WE HAVE TO GO OUT FOR.
UM, SO YEAH, IT'S, UH, IT IS MOVING FORWARD.
UM, I APPRECIATE THE PATIENTS.
WE'VE BETTER WATERPROOFED IT IN THE MEANTIME.
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TO DATE, THERE'S NO MAJOR DAMAGE THAT'S BEEN CAUSED BY THE DELAY, THANKFULLY, OTHER THAN DAMAGE TO, UH, TENANT, UH, PROPERTY, WHICH IS REGRETTABLE.UM, BUT AS FAR AS THE STRUCTURE ITSELF, UH, THERE'S NOT AWARE OF ANY MAJOR ISSUES THAT HAVE HAPPENED SINCE DUE TO THE EXPOSURE TO THE ALMONDS.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT PROJECTS? SOMETHING I DIDN'T, I JUST COVER THE DOOR REPAIR? YES.
UM, SO WE WERE, UNTIL RECENTLY WE WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THERE WAS ONLY REALLY ONE COMPANY, UH, IN THE GREATER BAY BAY AREA OR, OR THAT COULD, THAT WOULD SERVICE THIS AREA, THAT COULD INSTALL THAT.
UM, WE HAVE BEEN MADE AWARE OF ANOTHER COMPANY, SO WE'RE DEFINITELY IN A BID SITUATION NOW.
UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING A BID TOGETHER.
UH, WE HAVE THE DOOR, SO THIS WILL BE JUST INSTALLATION, REMOVAL AND INSTALLATION.
UM, TAKING THE PANELS OFF THE EXISTING DOOR, PUTTING THEM ONTO THE NEW DOOR AND, UM, INSTALLING IT.
SO WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UM, STAFF THAT ARE, THAT SPECIALIZE IN THIS.
SO IT'S PRETTY MUCH, UM, ME OR, OR NO ONE.
SO AS I HAVE CAPACITY BETWEEN ALL THE OTHER THINGS AND OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH RECENTLY, UM, YES, I WILL GET THIS TO BID.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW, I WOULD, I WOULD HOPE TO GET THIS OUT TO BID BY THE END OF SUMMER.
UH, I DON'T HAVE A, A, UH, DELIVERY DATE ON ACTUAL INSTALLATION, BUT, UM, IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE, WE WANNA GET AS DONE AS SOON AS AS POSSIBLE.
WE HAVE PUT THIS INTO THE FISCAL YEAR 25 BUDGET SO THAT THERE AREN'T ANY ISSUES WITH EMERGENCY FUNDS OR THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO TRANSFER.
WE JUST, WE'VE BUDGETED THIS IN, SO IT'S PART OF THE FISCAL YEAR 25 BUDGET.
AND, UM, AND WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A WAY FORWARD.
SO IT, UM, WE FOUND A WAY THAT WORKS AND WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING THAT PROCESS.
AND I KNOW THERE WAS SOME INTEREST IN THAT HANGAR FROM SOME POTENTIAL TENANTS.
IS THAT, UM, ARE THEY, HAVE THEY, ARE THEY AWARE OF THE STATUS? ARE THEY JUST ON A HOLDING PATTERN? SOME OF THEM ARE
SO WE HAVE, WE AT, AT ONE TIME, IT'S NOT, I DON'T THINK IT'S CURRENT, BUT AT ONE TIME WE HAD THREE COMMERCIAL POTENTIALLY COMMERCIAL TENANTS THAT WERE INTERESTED IN HANGER 18 B HANGER 18 C IS THE DOOR HAS A DOOR ISSUE, 18 B IS BEING USED FOR STAGING FOR THE DOOR AND ALSO FOR ITEMS THAT CAN'T BE STORED IN THE DAMAGED HANGER BECAUSE THEY WON'T FIT THROUGH THE, THE PEDESTRIAN DOOR.
UM, SO WHEN WE'RE ABLE TO MOVE ALL THAT OUT, UM, AND CLEAR OUT 18 B, IT IS A COMMERCIALLY HANGER, IT JUST LIKE 18 A, WHICH IT WAS, UH, IS NOW LICENSED, LEASED, UM, COMMERCIALLY, UM, BY BEAVER AVIONICS.
UH, 18 B WILL ALSO BE UP FOR, UM, FOR A COMMERCIAL LICENSE IF THERE'S A COMPANY THAT WANTS IT.
UM, AT THIS TIME, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY, HOW MUCH INTEREST THERE IS.
I ONLY KNOW OF ONE OR TWO, TWO ENTITIES THAT ARE, UH, STILL INTERESTED.
UM, BUT THE INTENT IS BECAUSE THERE IS, THERE MAY BE MORE THAN ONE THAT OUR RECOMMENDATION TO THESE PARTIES IS TO, UH, MAKE A PROPOSAL TO THE AIRPORT COMMISSION ABOUT, ABOUT THE, UH, THE BUSINESS AND WHAT, HOW IT BENEFITS THE AIRPORT AND THE AVIATION COMMUNITY.
AND THEY WOULD PRESENT THAT TO THE AIRPORT COMMISSION, UM, FOR, FOR EVALUATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, I DON'T RECALL A TIME WHERE WE HAD, UM, MORE THAN ONE ENTITY INTERESTED IN A COMMERCIAL, UM, OPERATION OF ONE OF OUR HANGERS.
UM, BUT THAT CAN HAPPEN UNTIL WE HAVE A HANGER.
WE WANNA, WE'RE WE'RE MOVING TOWARDS THAT.
UH, I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU, DAN.
SPEAKING OF PROPOSAL, UH, DO YOU HAVE AN UPDATE ON BV BEAVER AVIONICS AND WHEN THEY'RE GONNA BE PROVIDING SERVICES AT THE AIRPORT? YEAH, THEY'RE RAMPING UP.
UH, WE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE TENTATIVE, UM, KIND OF A DATE TO GET GOING IS, UH, PROBABLY LATE AUGUST, OR SORRY, LATE SUMMER.
UM, THEY HAVEN'T GIVEN AN ACTUAL DATE YET, BUT, UM, PROBABLY, UM, LATE SUMMER THEY'LL BE COMING IN.
THERE'S SOME ITEMS THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH AHEAD OF TIME, SIMPLE THINGS LIKE GETTING THEIR MAIL DELIVERED.
UM, SO WE'RE HELPING THEM WITH THAT AND UM, THEY'RE GETTING THEIR HANGAR SET UP THE WAY THEY NEED IT AND YEAH, WE'LL HOPE, HOPEFULLY HAVE 'EM IN BY, UH, LATE SUMMER WE WILL BE SOLICITING FOR A LIST OF, UM, SERVICES THEY OFFER SO WE CAN BLAST THAT OUT TO THE, UH, THE TENANTS.
UM, I, IT DOES SOUND LIKE AT SOME POINT THERE WILL
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BE SERVICES SUCH AS PET AESTHETIC TESTING AVAILABLE, UM, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN OTHER JOBS THAT THEY HAVE THAT THAT SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING THAT IS DEFINITELY POSSIBLE.SO, WHICH IS GREAT NEWS 'CAUSE THAT THOSE SERVICES ARE, ARE INCONVENIENT, UM, AT BEST, UM, IN THE BAY AREA.
AND, UM, PROBABLY LATE BY LATE SUMMER IT SOUNDS LIKE.
SO WE'RE STORING PRODUCTS FROM THE DAMAGED HANGER IN THE NEXT HANGER? NO, SORRY.
UH, THE, THE REPLACEMENT DOOR, IT'S A, IT'S A SIX, IT'S A 64 FOOT DOOR IN TWO SECTIONS.
UM, SO THERE'S 2 30, 30 FOOT OR SO SECTIONS, UM, THAT ARE STORED IN, IN THE BEE HANGER 'CAUSE THEY WON'T FIT ANYWHERE ELSE.
UM, SO THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE AT RIGHT NOW.
SO WE'RE LOSING MM-HMM,
WHICH ARE IN DEMAND ARE IN DEMAND MINIMUM OF, UH, ABOUT 2000 A MONTH.
SO WE ARE, WE ARE MOTIVATED
I'M CURIOUS IF THAT DOOR IS CUT TO 30 FOOT SECTIONS, HOW COME IT'S NOT IN IT SMALLER HANGAR? UH, I HAVE A HARD TIME FITTING IT INTO, WELL, IT'S NOT THE ONLY ITEM.
IF IT WAS THE ONLY ITEM, YES WE COULD FIT IN THERE, BUT THERE ARE OTHER ITEMS THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE DISPLACED BY OUR CURRENT TENANT.
SO TO KEEP OUR CURRENT 2000 A MONTH TENANT, WE ARE STORING SOME OF THEIR EQUIPMENT THAT THEY CAN'T HAVE ACCESS TO BECAUSE THE DOOR CAN'T EVEN OPEN RIGHT NOW.
SO THEY'RE STILL PAYING RENT OR YES, THEY ARE.
YEAH, SO IT'S NOT IDEAL, BUT IT'S, WE'RE WE'RE GETTING THROUGH AND WE WERE, WE REALLY LUCKED OUT TO HAVE A HANGAR AVAILABLE, UM, RIGHT WHEN THIS HAPPENED.
SO THAT, THAT WAS, THAT REALLY WORKED OUT WELL FOR EVERYONE.
THE OTHER SMALL QUESTION, ANNUAL ROW TWO, THAT'S NOT A FULL HANGER IS IT? NO, IT'S, IT'S NOT QUITE A HALF HANGER.
I THINK IT'S LIKE A, NOT EVEN QUITE A THREE QUARTER, I DON'T KNOW WHAT FRACTION IT IS, BUT IT'S, YEAH.
YOU WERE MENTIONING 5,000 A YEAR RENT, IS THAT CORRECT? 5,000 IS WHAT, UH, APPROXIMATELY WHAT WE'RE PAYING OR LOSING ON THE HANGAR THAT WE'VE PROVIDED AS AN ALTERNATIVE FOR THE TENANT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT PROJECTS? OKAY, THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH JAN.
THANK THINK THAT BRINGS US TO THE END OF OUR AGENDA.
UM, THE DISPLAY DAY FOR APRIL, IS IT STILL SET FOR THE THIRD SATURDAY? THIRD SATURDAY? THAT'S, THAT'S VETERAN NEXT DAY, RIGHT? OH, OKAY.
WELL IT'S, THE PARADE IS AT NOON.
SO I HAD MENTIONED IT TO SOMEONE BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE A MEETING, SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA MOVE IT UP OR, OR TO THE FOURTH.
SATURDAY WE MAY DEFER IT IF THAT'S THE CASE.
'CAUSE BUTTER EGG DAY IS PRETTY BIG DEAL.
WE WOULDN'T WANT TO DO ALL THAT WORK AND HAVE NOBODY SHOW UP, SO.
WE HAD 200 PLUS LAST MONTH, SO, SO RIGHT, RIGHT.
SO, UM, IT DIDN'T DAWN ON ME UNTIL I LOOKED AT MY APRIL CALENDAR.
THE, UM, FOURTH SATURDAY MIGHT WORK.
MAYBE LET, LET, LET NANCY AND I'LL BRING IT UP AT THE NEXT PILOT CLUB MEETING OKAY.
AND POP A MEETING AND SEE WHAT THE SENSE OF EVERYBODY IS.
AND IT MAY BE JUST, WELL, LET'S JUST DEFER.
SO THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT WILL HAPPEN.
ANYTHING ELSE? MAYBE, UM, COMMISSIONER, I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SHARE A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION THAT WOULD BENEFIT ALL THE COMMISS COMMISSIONS AROUND, UH, THE INSURANCE.
UH, MR. CONAN WAS RIGHT IN, IN ONE OF HIS FACTS.
I, THIS IS WHAT THE PUBLIC COMMENT IS FOR AND, AND I BELIEVE WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO GET INTO A DISCUSSION WITH THE PUBLIC.
WE HAVE A PUBLIC, THIS ISN'T A DISCUSSION, I'M JUST INTERESTED IN SHARING.
IT NEEDED TO HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THE BEGINNING.
WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE OPEN TO, YOU'RE WELCOME TO SUBMIT IT TO CLAUDIA FOR INCLUSION IN OUR PACKET OF MATERIALS FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
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BROWN ACT.I APPRECIATE YOUR COOPERATION.
IT'S SOMETHING OKAY TO BE ABLE TO YOU.
NO, AND, AND YOU MAY DO THAT THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNELS.
UH, AND UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER COMMENT OR QUESTIONS FOR DAN FROM OUR SIDE, FROM RIGHT THEN I WILL, UH, SAY THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED.