* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. [CALL TO ORDER] WE ARE GOING TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR YOUR PATIENCE. AS WE GET STARTED A LITTLE BIT LATER, I'M GONNA ASK THE CLERK TO CALL ROLL COMMISSIONER BAUER. HERE. COMMISSIONER MOSES? HERE. COMMISSIONER MCCAIN? HERE. COMMISSIONER ESON. HERE. COMMISSIONER WIMAN. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON. HERE. CHAIR HOOPER. HERE. WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. I'M JUST GONNA ASK, UH, NORMALLY WE HAVE A SEGMENT FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. I HAVE A SUSPICION THOUGH, THAT MOST FOLKS ARE HERE FOR THE FIRST ITEM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO CHECK. IS ANYBODY HERE FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT OR A PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE FIRST ITEM? ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE PAST GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AND GO STRAIGHT TO THE NEXT ITEM. UM, IN TERMS OF, IN TERMS OF PRESENTATIONS, WE DON'T HAVE ANY, BUT IN TERMS OF MINUTES, [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] WE HAVE MINUTES TO APPROVE FROM APRIL 9TH. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY AMENDMENTS OR EDITS? OKAY. WITH THAT, IF WE COULD CALL FOR A VOTE. COMMISSIONER BAUER? I WASN'T HERE, SO I'LL RECUSE. COMMISSIONER MOSES? YES. COMMISSIONER MCCARLEY? YES. COMMISSIONER KUSON? YES. COMMISSIONER WIMAN, ABSTAINING FOR ABSENCE. COUNCIL MEMBER KA THOMPSON. YES. CHAIR HOOPER. YES. THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED. UH, WITH [PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION] THAT WE ARE GOING TO MOVE STRAIGHT INTO PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS OF CONSIDERATION. AND OUR FIRST ITEM TONIGHT IS ONE THAT I'M PRETTY SURE MOST FOLKS ARE HERE TO EITHER LISTEN TO OR GIVE COMMENT ON IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY OF PETALUMA PLANNING COMMISSION TO CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE A SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW OR SPAR FOR A 32 UNIT, MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, LOCATED AT TWO RAVINA LANE AND GRANTS AND GRANT STATE DENSITY, BONUS CONCESSION AND WAIVER REQUESTS. AND WITH THAT, UH, BECAUSE THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, IT DOES NOT REQUIRE THE COMMISSION TO DISCLOSE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS. I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW AND INVITE MIKE, OUR SENIOR PLANNER TO GET THINGS STARTED. THANK YOU. CHAIR HOOPER. MY NAME IS MIKE JANUS. I'M A SENIOR PLANNER, UH, CONSULTING PLANNER WITH M GROUP, AND I'LL BE PRESENTING THE STAFF REPORT FOR, UH, VENA LANE APARTMENTS. THAT'S, UH, PLSR 20 23 7. OKAY. UH, SO AN OVERVIEW OF MY PRESENTATION THIS EVENING. UH, I'LL START WITH THE BACKGROUND IN INCLUDING A REGULATORY CONTEXT. UM, I'LL GO INTO PROJECT DESCRIPTION. UM, I'LL SUMMARIZE PUBLIC OUTREACH. I'LL PROVIDE STAFF'S ANALYSIS, UH, AGAINST THE STANDARDS OF REVIEW, AND THEN I'LL PROVIDE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. UH, HERE YOU SEE AN EXISTING, UH, CONDITIONS AERIAL, UH, IT'S RECTANGULAR, ONE ACRE SITE AT THE CORNER OF ROVENA LANE AND JACQUELINE LANE. UH, THE, UM, EXISTING CONDITION IS THAT IT'S, UH, CONTAINS RUAL VEGETATION AND SEVEN EXISTING TREES, INCLUDING FOUR COAST LIVE OAKS, ONE VALLEY OAK, AND ONE ONE MONTEREY PINE AND ONE LOMBARDI POPULAR. UM, APPROXIMATELY 90 FEET NORTH OF THE INTERSECTION IS A GATE, AND THAT'S, UH, THE DEMARCATION WHERE, UH, RAVINA LANE, UH, TURNS FROM A PUBLIC STREET TO A PRIVATE ROAD. UM, THERE'S ABOUT 30 FEET OF, UH, FALL FROM THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE LOT TO THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE LOT. THE AVERAGE SLOPE IS 14 PERC, UH, 9%, AND THE STEEPEST GRADE IS, UH, 14%. AND THAT'S THE STEEPEST PART, IS THE SOUTHERN SOUTHEAST PORTION. UM, THE GENERAL PLAN, SORRY ABOUT THAT. UH, THE, HERE'S A, A GOOGLE STREET VIEW OF THE CORNER AND YOU CAN SEE JACQUELINE, UM, UPHILL TO THE RIGHT AND THEN AROUND THE CORNER TO VEA AND THE GATE. UM, THE EXISTING SHED AND AM RADIO TOWER HAVE, UH, BEEN DEMOLISHED. AND THE GENERAL PLAN LAND USE DESIGNATION [00:05:01] IS MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. UM, THIS ALLOWS FOR VARIOUS DWELLING TYPES, INCLUDING SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS AND MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING. UH, THE BASE DENSITY ASSOCIATED WITH THIS DESIGNATION IS 8.1 TO 18 HOUSING UNITS PER NET ACRE PER THE GENERAL PLAN. UH, THE SURROUNDING DESIGNATIONS ARE, UM, DIVERSE, LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL TO THE NORTHEAST, SORT OF IN THE TAN. UH, THE YELLOW IS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS TO THE EAST, THE SOUTH AND THE WEST. AND THEN THE NORTHWEST IS MORE, UH, MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. UH, TO THE NORTH IS, UM, CITY OWNED PROPERTY, WHICH IS OCCUPIED BY, EXCUSE ME, CAN YOU, CAN YOU SPEAK UP? SURE. SORRY. UM, CITY OWNED PROPERTY IS TO THE NORTH, WHICH IS OCCUPIED BY FAIR HOUSING SONOMA, AND THAT IS DESIGNATED PUBLIC, SEMI-PUBLIC. UH, THE SITE ZONING IS R FOUR, WHICH IMPLEMENTS THE GENERAL PLAN MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DESIGNATION, UM, SURROUNDING OUR, UH, VARIOUS PUDS, THE QUARRY HEIGHTS, PUD TO THE NORTHEAST, UH, RIVERVIEW TO THE SOUTH AND WEST. AND THEN, UM, THERE'S MORE R FOUR ZONING TO THE NORTHWEST AND THEN CIVIC FACILITIES, UH, TO THE NORTH. UM, BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS, UM, A SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW OR SPAR APPLICATION. THE DRAFT RESOLUTIONS IN ATTACHMENT ONE. UM, THIS PERTAINS TO THE SCOPE OF WORK FOR, UH, SITE IMPROVEMENTS, INCLUDING THE, THE BUILDING, UH, THE PARKING, LANDSCAPING, RETAINING WALLS, STORM FACILITIES. UH, AND THEN YOUR RESOLUTION ALSO GOES ON TO INCLUDE, UH, FINDINGS FOR THE DENSITY, BONUS, CONCESSIONS AND WAIVERS. UM, THERE'S ALSO AN ATTACHMENT TO WHICH VERIFIES, UM, IT'S AN ELIGIBILITY DETERMINATION LETTER FROM STAFF, WHICH VERIFIES THE STATE DENSITY BONUS, UH, REQUEST FOR THE NUMBER OF UNITS AND ALSO THE, THE CONCESSIONS AND WAIVERS, AND PROVIDES A LIST AND MORE DETAIL ON WHAT THOSE, UH, REQUESTS ARE. UM, AND THEN ALSO JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE THAT THE REVIEW AUTHORITY IS PLANNING COMMISSIONED FOR, UM, HOUSING PROJECTS, UM, THAT, UH, INCLUDE FIVE OR MORE, UH, UNITS, ANY RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS, I SHOULD SAY, THAT INCLUDE FIVE OR MORE UNITS THAT GOES TO, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION FOR REVIEW. UM, THE PROJECT WAS ALSO SUBMITTED UNDER SB THREE 30 AND THE AFOREMENTIONED STATE DENSITY BONUS, UM, SB THREE 30, UM, AMENDS THE HOUSING ACCOUNTABILITY ACT, WHICH ALLOWS AN APPLICANT, UM, VESTING RIGHTS AND OTHER, UH, REVIEW, UH, STREAMLINING, UM, ADVANTAGES. AND, UM, SPECIFICALLY YOU CAN VEST, UM, ZONING AND OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS WITH THE PRELIMINARY APPLICATION. UM, IT LIMITS THE NUMBER OF PUBLIC HEARINGS, UH, TO FIVE. IN ADDITION TO, UM, OTHER REVIEW, CITY REVIEW, STREAMLINING, UM, REQUIREMENTS, UM, AND HOUSING ACCOUNTABILITY ACT PROHIBITS LOCAL GOVERNMENT FROM DISAPPROVING OR REDUCING THE DENSITY OF QUALIFIED HOUSING DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS. UM, SB THREE 30 DOESN'T REPLACE THE DISCRETIONARY REVIEW PROCESS, AND SO THEREFORE IT'S STILL GOING THROUGH SPAR. AND SUBJECT TO, UM, THE APPLICABLE, UM, SUBJECTIVE FINDINGS IN SPAR. UM, THAT SAID, THERE IS A LIMITATIONS AND A SUBJECTIVE STANDARD, UM, SHALL NOT BE USED TO DENY A PROJECT SUBMITTED UNDER SB THREE 30, REDUCE THE NUMBER OF UNITS OR RENDER AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT FINANCIALLY INFEASIBLE, UM, FOR THE DENSITY BONUS, UM, THERE, THE PROJECT IS ELIGIBLE FOR AN 80%, UH, DENSITY BONUS. UM, AND THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT AFFORDABLE AND, AND INTENDED FOR, UM, HOUSEHOLDS, UH, UH, LOWER INCOME, UM, WHICH INCLUDES, UM, LOW, VERY LOW AND EXTREMELY LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLDS, UH, BASED ON A MI. AND THEN IF WE COULD, UH, PAUSE FOR A MOMENT, THEY'RE GONNA RESET THE SPEAKER SYSTEM AND SEE IF WE CAN GET BETTER SOUND QUALITY. OKAY. THANKS. THANK YOU. FREE. OH, WOW. THIS REALLY DOES, THANKS FOR [00:10:01] YOUR PATIENCE, EVERYBODY WITH THIS BRIEF INTERMISSION. WE'VE GOTTA DO THE GOVERNMENT EQUIVALENT OF TURNING IT OFF AND ON AGAIN. SO, OKAY. TESTING. I THINK IT'S BACK. YEAH. GREAT. GREAT. OKAY, LET'S TRY THAT THEN. THANK YOU. YEAH, THANKS FOR THE TECH SUPPORT. UM, HOPEFULLY YOU GUYS CAN HEAR ME OKAY. AND JUST INTERRUPT ME IF YOU NEED TO. UM, SO AS, AS I WAS SAYING, UH, THERE'S A DENSITY BONUS REQUEST, AND THERE THEY'RE ELIGIBLE FOR AN 80% DENSITY BONUS FOR UNITS, UH, BASED ON AFFORDABILITY AND THE A HUNDRED PERCENT AFFORDABLE. AND THEN THEY, UM, DENSITY BONUS ALSO ENABLES A DEVELOPER TO REQUEST, UM, CONCESSIONS FOR IDENTIFIABLE, UH, COST REDUCTION, UM, CONCESSIONS OF, OF DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OR OTHER REGULATIONS, AS WELL AS WAIVERS, UM, FROM DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, UH, WHERE THOSE STANDARDS WOULD PRECLUDE DEVELOPMENT OF THE, OF THE DENSITY. UM, SO BASED ON THE AFFORDABILITY LEVEL, THERE'S FOUR CONCESSIONS OR INCENTIVES THAT MAY BE REQUESTED. THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING TWO AND THEY GET UNLIMITED, OR I SHOULD SAY A, A DEVELOPER GETS UNLIMITED, UH, WAIVERS TO DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. AND THIS PROJECT HAS REQUESTED 12. AND ALL OF THAT IS DETAILED IN, UM, ATTACHMENT TWO. UM, THE PROJECT DESCRIPTION FOR THE SPAR, UM, IT INCLUDES, UH, TWO ROUGHLY 9,000 SQUARE FOOT THREE STORY APARTMENT BUILDINGS, UH, WHICH WILL CON, UM, COMPRISE THE 32 UNITS. UM, IT INCLUDES A 30 FOOT WIDE TWO WAY DRIVEWAY AND FIRETRUCK TURNAROUND. UM, IT INCLUDES, UH, PARKING, THERE'S 51 PARKING SPACES THROUGH A COMBINATION OF TUCK UNDER PARKING AND, UH, A REAR SURFACE LOT. AND THEN THERE'S VARIOUS SITE IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDING LANDSCAPING, UM, RETAINING WALLS, STORM WATER, AND I'LL, I'LL RUN THROUGH EACH IN MORE DETAIL IN THE NEXT FEW SLIDES. UM, THERE'S ALSO, UM, PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS, UM, AT THE FRONTAGE. SO VENA LANE, THE PUBLIC PORTION WHERE THE, THE DRIVEWAY ACCESS IS PROPOSED WOULD BE, UM, WIDENED BY 12 FEET, AND THAT WOULD ALLOW THE TURNING RADIUS FOR THE FIRE APPARATUS, AND THEN THERE'D BE A FIVE FOOT, UM, PUBLIC SIDEWALK AS WELL. UM, SO HERE'S A SITE PLAN. SO THE, UM, TWO APARTMENT BUILDINGS, A AND B, UM, THE MIDDLE DRIVE AISLE. HERE'S THE ENTRANCE AT THE TOP OF THE SCREEN, FIVE FOOT PUBLIC SIDEWALK. HERE'S THE REAR SURFACE LOT WITH A FIRE, UM, FIRETRUCK AND TRASH HAULER, UM, HAMMERHEAD. AND THEN, UM, THERE'S ALSO, UM, OTHER, UM, SITE AMENITIES THAT I'LL GET INTO WITH THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. AND THE PROJECT COMPLIES WITH ALL OUR FOUR, UM, ZONING STANDARDS EXCEPT FOR THOSE WHICH, UM, FOR WHICH WAIVERS HAVE BEEN REQUESTED. UM, AND THEN ALSO THERE'S FOUR TO SIX FOOT WIDE PEDESTRIAN WALKWAYS THAT GO AROUND AND PROVIDE CONTINUOUS PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, UM, ACROSS THE SITE AND CONNECT TO THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK. AND THEN THERE'S, UM, SIX, UM, BIKE PARKING STALLS IN THE SOUTH, OR SORRY, UM, THE SOUTHEAST, UH, PORTION. AND THAT'S A COMBINATION OF SECURE AND COVERED, UM, PARKING STALLS. UH, THE FLOOR PLANS MIRROR EACH OTHER FOR BUILDINGS A AND B. UM, A IS THE NORTH BUILDING AND B IS THE SOUTH. BUILDING B CONTAINS 17 UNITS, WHEREAS A CONTAINS 15 UNITS. THEY'RE OTHERWISE THE SAME EXCEPT FOR, UM, THE FIRST FLOOR PROGRAMMING IS DIFFERENT. UM, A INCLUDES A GYM AND LAUNDRY ROOM AND MAIL ROOM, AND B INCLUDES A LEASING OFFICE, PROPERTY MANAGEMENT OFFICE, AND, UM, A COMMUNITY KITCHEN. UH, HERE'S THE ELEVATIONS AND THE FACADE. THIS IS, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHICH FACADE THIS IS, BUT IT'S TYPICAL AND THEY'RE IDENTICAL, UM, FOR THE SOUTH AND THE NORTH. SO THIS COULD EITHER BE THE, THE NORTH FACADE OF BUILDING A OR THE SOUTH FACADE OF, OF BUILDING B. SO THIS IS THE PRIMARY, UM, EXTERIOR. UM, YOU HAVE, UM, COMPOSITION, UH, DARK CHARCOAL COMPOSITION SHINGLES. UM, THERE'S FIBER CEMENT [00:15:01] SIDING, UM, FOR BOTH THE HORIZONTAL AND VERTICAL SIDING. UM, THERE'S ALSO BOARD AND BATTEN ELEMENTS ON THE VERTICAL SIDING. UM, AND THEN YOU HAVE, UM, SPLIT FACE, UM, CONCRETE BLOCK FOR THE RETAINING WALLS. THERE'S ALSO SOME, UM, OPEN BALCONY RAILINGS. THEY'RE, THEY'RE SLATTED, BUT THEY'RE, UM, THERE'S VERY NARROW OPENINGS WHICH WOULD, UM, ALLOW FOR PRIVACY, UH, BETWEEN, UH, AS VIEWED FROM, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO, UM, TOWARD THE, THE BUILDING. UM, AND HERE'S THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. UM, THERE'S ROUGHLY 8,000 SQUARE FEET OF LANDSCAPING. UM, AND THIS IS THROUGH A COMBINATION OF PARKING LOT LANDSCAPING AND, AND YARD SPACES. UM, THERE'S ALSO, UM, SOME AMENITIES. THERE'S A DOG RELIEF AREA. THERE'S A TOT LOT AS WELL AS, UM, A TEENAGER PLAY AREA OR RECREATIONAL SPACE. UM, AND THERE'S ALSO A LAYERED COMPOSITION OF THE TREES AND THE SHRUBS, UH, BUT IT'S ALSO MAINTAINING, UM, ENOUGH CLEARANCE TO, UH, PROVIDE ACCEPTABLE DEFENSIBLE SPACE BETWEEN, UM, THE SHRUBS AND TREES. SO THE SHRUBS PROPOSED ARE ALL LOW GROWING SHRUBS, UM, AND THAT, UH, THAT HELPS THE PROJECT COMPLY WITH, WITH WOOY STANDARDS. UM, THERE'S AN ENHANCED, UH, 10 TO 15 FOOT EVERGREEN HEDGE ALONG THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE THAT WOULD PROVIDE PRIVACY, UM, RELATIVE TO ADJACENT LIVING AREAS TO THE EAST. UH, THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME TO THE EAST. UM, AND THERE'S 15 NEW TREES PROPOSED. THERE'S 12 ON SITE, AND THREE, UM, WOULD BE STREET TREES. UM, THE STREET TREE PLAN IS BLENDED BETWEEN EXISTING. UH, THERE'S FIVE EXISTING TREES THAT WOULD BE RETAINED, UM, ALONG THE JACQUELINE FRONTAGE. AND, UM, EIGHT TREES WOULD BE REMOVED ON SITE. SO, UH, OF THOSE EIGHT TREES THAT WOULD BE REMOVED, UH, FIVE OF THEM ARE OAKS. OF THE 15 THAT WOULD BE PLANTED, SEVEN WOULD BE OAKS. UM, THERE'S ALSO AN ENHANCED, SO IN ADDITION TO THE THREE STREET TREES, OR IT ALSO BE, UM, SHRUBS, WHICH WOULD PROVIDE AN ENHANCED, UH, STREET SCAPE ALONG JACQUELINE AND, UM, SOFTEN THE MASSING. UM, THERE'S, BECAUSE OF THE, THE MODERATE GRADES, THERE'S, UM, RETAINING WALLS THAT RETAIN CUT GRADES AND FILL GRADES, UM, ON EACH PROPERTY LINE, ALL FOUR PROPERTY LINES. UH, THE CUT GRADES ARE ON THE SOUTH AND THE EAST, AND THOSE RETAINING WALLS WOULD FACE TOWARD THE INTERIOR OF THE SITE. AND THEN THE FILL GRADES ARE ON THE NORTH AND THE, THE WEST, AND THOSE WOULD RETAIN, UH, THE FILL, UM, THOSE WOULD FACE, UM, AWAY FROM THE SITE. HOWEVER, THEY, BECAUSE IT'S, UH, FACING PRIVATE PROPERTY, IT WOULDN'T BE VISIBLE FROM, UM, THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. UM, AND THEN THE TALLEST WALLS ARE LOCATED IN THE SOUTH AND THE EAST PROPERTY LINE, AND THEY'RE RANGING FROM SIX TO 11 FEET. UM, THERE'S AS MANY AS THREE SEPARATE TERRACES WITH TWO LANDINGS, UM, IN BETWEEN EACH, EACH, UM, TIER, UH, IN THOSE LOCATIONS. UM, AND THEN ANYTIME A GRADE DIFFERENTIAL OF 30 INCHES OR MORE, UH, FROM THE TOP OF RETAINABLE AT THE BOTTOM, THERE'S ADDITIONAL FENCING OR GUARDRAILS FOR SAFETY. AND, UM, ALL TOLD SEVEN OF THE 12 WAIVERS IN THE DENSITY BONUS REQUEST PERTAIN TO VARIOUS WALL HEIGHTS AND WALL LOCATIONS, UM, FOR, UM, IN ORDER TO CREATE THE, THE BUILDING PADS. UM, BUILDING ALSO REVIEWED AND ACCEPTED A PRELIMINARY GEOTECH REPORT, WHICH HAS RETAINING WALL RECOMMENDATIONS. UH, HERE'S THE UTILITY PLAN, AND I'LL SPEAK TO THE STORM PLAN. THERE'S A COMBINATION OF, UM, UNDERGROUND STORM DRAINS AND TRENCH DRAINS, UM, THAT WOULD, UM, CONVEY STORM WATER TO THE PUBLIC SYSTEM. UM, BEFORE IT LEAVES THE SITE. THERE'S A MODULAR, UM, WETLAND, UM, UNDERGROUND, UM, FILTRATION SYSTEM THAT WOULD, UM, UH, PREVENT ANY, UM, CONTAMINANTS FROM, FROM PARKING AREAS AND WHATNOT FROM GETTING INTO THE PUBLIC SYSTEM. UM, AND, UH, THERE WOULD BE, SO THIS CONNECTS [00:20:01] TO PETALUMA BOULEVARD SOUTH, AND SO THERE'D BE A, UM, ROUGHLY, UH, 500 FOOT LONG, UM, EXTENSION WITHIN THE RAVINA LANE EASEMENT THAT WOULD, UH, CONVEY THE STORMWATER DOWNHILL TO, UM, TO THE PUBLIC MAIN IN, IN PUM BOULEVARD SOUTH. AND THAT'S AN 18 INCH, UM, STORM DRAIN THAT WOULD BE PROVIDED. UM, AND THAT WOULD BE A, THAT WOULD BE A PUBLIC, UH, STORM DRAIN AS WELL. UM, AND THEN, SO IN ADDITION TO THE SPAR, UM, SCOPE OF WORK, THERE'S THE, UM, DENSITY BONUS AND WAIVERS, UH, SORRY, DENSITY BONUS CONCESSION WAIVERS. UH, THERE'S TWO CONCESSIONS AND 12 WAIVERS. UM, AND, UM, THOSE ARE OUTLINED IN ATTACHMENT TWO. THERE'S ALSO FINDINGS IN ATTACHMENT ONE. AND SIMILAR TO H-A-H-A-A, THERE ARE, UH, LIMITATIONS, UM, FOR A CITY. AND THE CONCESSIONS CAN ONLY BE DENIED IF WRITTEN FINDINGS ARE MADE ON SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT THE CONCESSION WOULD NOT RESULT IN IDENTIFY IDENTIFIABLE AND ACTUAL COST SAVINGS, UM, WOULD HAVE A SPECIFIC ADVERSE IMPACT UPON PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY. UM, IF THERE'S A, A HISTORICAL RESOURCE ON SITE, OR IF IT WOULD BE CONTRARY TO STATE OR FEDERAL LAW. AND AGAIN, WITH THE WAIVERS, UM, THERE'S, IT'S VERY LIMITED. UM, THE WAIVER MUST BE APPROVED UNLESS WRITTEN FINDINGS CAN BE MADE UPON SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT THE WAIVER WOULD NOT, THAT THE WAIVER WOULD HAVE A SPECIFIC ADVERSE IMPACT UPON PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY. UM, THERE'S A HISTORICAL RESOURCE ON THE PROPERTY OR BECAUSE, UM, THE WAIVER WOULD BE CONTRARY TO STATE OR FEDERAL LAW. UM, A SUMMARY OF PUBLIC OUTREACH. THERE WAS A REQUIRED NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING IN JULY 9TH, UM, ON JULY 19TH, 2023. UH, A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING IS REQUIRED FOR ANY, UM, DISCRETIONARY PROJECT THAT REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING, UM, THAT IS IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD OR IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO, SO THAT WAS A REQUIREMENT, AND IT WAS HELD ON JULY 19TH. UM, THERE'S ALSO 22 WRITTEN COMMENTS THAT CAME IN, UM, DURING THE, UM, TIME. THE, UM, THE FORMAL, UH, ENTITLEMENT APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED IN SEPTEMBER OR SINCE THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, UN UP UNTIL THE PUBLIC NOTICING. AND THEN, UH, DURING THE PUBLIC NOTICE PERIOD, THERE WERE 14 WRITTEN COMMENTS. UM, TOPICS, UM, INCLUDED TRAFFIC DRIVEWAY ACCESS AND LOCATION, WILDFIRE RISK AND EVACUATION, UH, DENSITY AND MULTI-FAMILY USE STREET WITH, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW, BIOLOGICAL RESOURCES, AIR QUALITY AND NOISE, UM, PUBLIC SAFETY AND EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, UM, PARKING, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, UM, THE USE OF VENA LANE EASEMENT FOR, UM, VEHICULAR BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, ACCESS TO TRANSIT AND OTHER RESOURCES AND LOCATION OF THE TRASH ENCLOSURE AND DOG RELIEF PAD. AND, UM, SOME PROJECT REVISIONS THAT WERE, UH, MADE TO ADDRESS PUBLIC COMMENTS. UM, THE PARKING WAS RELOCATED TO THE REAR OF THE SITE, AND THAT'S IT TO HELP, UM, THE STREETSCAPE AND HELP THE AESTHETICS, UM, AS VIEWED ALONG THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. UM, THERE IS ENHANCED, UM, SCREENING IN THE FORM OF THE EVERGREEN HEDGE TO HELP, UM, BUFFER THE RESIDENTS TO THE EAST. UH, THERE WAS ENHANCED, UH, STREET SCAPE, UH, PLANNING ON JACQUELINE TO SOFTEN THE MASSING. UM, THERE WAS A DECREASE IN THE, THE OPEN RAILING WIDTHS, UM, TO HELP PROVIDE MORE PRIVACY. UM, THE COLOR SCHEME WAS, UM, TONED DOWN A BIT TO MAKE IT MORE SUBDUED AND, UM, PREVENT ANY, UM, POTENTIAL FOR GLARE, UM, FROM LIGHT OR BRIGHT COLORS. AND THERE'S ALSO A CONDITION, UM, THAT'S IN ATTACHMENT ONE THAT, UM, REQUIRES THAT ANY GATE OF THE PRIVATE ROAD, UM, UH, FOR VENA LANE THAT WOULD IN THE, THE APPLICANT WOULD NEED TO INSTALL, UM, AN OX BOX OR OTHER OPTI COM SYSTEM TO ENSURE THAT, UM, FIRST RESPONDERS COULD USE THAT EASEMENT IN THE EVENT OF EMERGENCY. UM, AND BACKING UP A COUPLE OTHER COMMENTS THAT WERE UNABLE TO BE ADDRESSED OR WERE REQUESTED AND WEREN'T ADDRESSED, UM, SPECIFICALLY USING RAVINA LANE EASEMENT FOR SITE ACCESS. UM, THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE AN ACCESS TO RE TO REQUIRE DEDICATION OF THE PRIVATE ROAD AS PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. UM, [00:25:01] AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE DOG RELIEF PAD, UM, STAFF REQUESTED RELOCATION, BUT THE DESIGN TEAM WAS UNABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THEIR REQUEST BASED ON, UM, THE LAYOUT CONSTRAINTS. AND, UM, THE APPLICANT HAS CLARIFIED THAT THE NATURE OF THE, UM, DOG RELIEF PAD WOULD BE, IT'S, IT'S NOT FOR RECREATIONAL PURPOSES, IT'S FOR SHORT DURATION, UM, AND IS IS SMALL, SO IT WOULDN'T, UM, BE FOR RECREATION, WHICH WOULD HELP MINIMIZE ANY NUISANCE OF ITS, OF ITS LOCATION AND USE. UM, STAFF IS ABLE TO MAKE THE APPLICABLE FINDINGS. UM, IT'S, YOU'LL SEE, UH, GENERAL PLAN CONSISTENCY ANALYSIS IN THE STAFF REPORT, PAGES 12 TO 17. UM, AND THEN THE IZO, UM, I WENT, I ALREADY, UM, EXPLAINED THE R FOUR STANDARDS WHEN GOING THROUGH THE SITE PLAN. SO IT COMPLIES WITH ALL OUR, OUR FOUR BASE ZONE STANDARDS, AGAIN, EXCEPT FOR WHERE A DENSITY BONUS WAIVER IS REQUESTED. UM, AND THEN FOR DENSITY BONUS, IT COMPLIES WITH OUR CHAPTER 27, UM, AND, AND STATE DENSITY BONUS LAW AS WELL. UM, AND THERE IT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE A, UM, A HOUSING AGREEMENT, UM, AS WELL PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 27. UM, AND THEN FOR THE SPAR FINDINGS, WHICH ARE SECTION 24 0 50 E, UM, I WON'T, I WON'T GO INTO GREAT DETAIL, BUT I TRY TO INCORPORATE THE MOST PERTINENT ASPECTS OF, UM, THE SITE, UM, MOST PERTINENT ASPECTS OF THE FINDINGS THROUGHOUT THE, THE PRESENTATION. UM, BUT IN SUMMARY, THE PROJECT USES, UH, EARTH TONES FOR THE EXTERIOR COLORS, UM, HORIZONTAL AND VERTICAL SIDING, UM, ARTICULATED ROOF LINES AND JOGS IN THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT. UM, IT USES A FARMHOUSE ARCHITECTURAL MOTIF, INCLUDING, UM, BOARD AND BATTEN VERTICAL ELEMENTS, MODEST ROOF PITCHES, AND A COMBINATION OF PROJECTING AND RECESS BALCONIES. UM, THE BUILDING MEETS ALL REQUIRED SETBACKS. THE PROPOSED BUILDINGS ARE PROPOSED ON A CUT PAD, AND, UM, IT'S CUT INTO THE HILLSIDE. AND SO THAT MAKES THE PROFILE EFFECTIVELY A TWO STORY FACADE AS VIEWED FROM JACQUELINE. UM, THE LANDSCAPING, UH, CONSISTS OF 15 NEW TREES, INCLUDING, UM, SEVEN NATIVE OAK TREES. UM, THERE'S AN ENHANCED PRIVACY SCREEN CONSISTING OF 10 TO 15 FOOT EVERGREEN SIDE OBSCURING HEDGE THAT'S ADJACENT TO THE SINGLE FAMILY, UM, RESIDENCE TO THE EAST. UM, AND THE PROJECT WOULD PROVIDE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS SUCH AS VENA LANE WIDENING FROM 20 TO 32 FEET, A FIVE FOOT WIDE PUBLIC SIDEWALK AND CONTINUOUS ONSITE, UM, PEDESTRIAN WALKWAYS. AND THEN LAST, UH, NO ADVERSE PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY IMPACTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT CAN BE FOUND THAT WOULD ALLOW THE CITY TO DENY THE PROJECT UNDER HAA SB THREE 30 OR STATE DENSITY BONUS. THE CITY CONCLUDES, UM, FIRE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING AND PLANNING. THERE ARE NO SPECIFIC ADVERSE IMPACTS THAT COULD REASONABLY RESULT IN DENIAL OF THE PROJECT. UM, THE CQA ANALYSIS, UM, AND YOU'LL FIND A DETAILED, UH, ANALYSIS IN ATTACHMENT FIVE. UH, IT QUALIFIES AN ELIGIBLE FOR A STATUTORY EXEMPTION, UH, PURSUANT TO SQL GUIDELINES, SECTION 1 5 1 9 4, WHICH IS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING EXEMPTION. UH, IT MEETS THE ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS IN SECTION 1 5 1 9 2. UM, AND THEN AGAIN, THE, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING EXEMPTION, UH, CRITERIA. AND SO IT, IT'S ELIGIBLE FOR THIS EXEMPTION AND NO FURTHER ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW IS REQUIRED. AND WITH THAT, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION CONSIDER RESOLUTION ATTACHMENT ONE APPROVING SPAR FOR VEING APARTMENTS AND GRANT STATE DENSITY BONUS CONCESSION AND WAIVER REQUESTS. THANK YOU. AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. SORRY, MIKE DECIDED TO FLASH ON AND OFF FOR A SECOND. UM, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT DO WE HAVE, UH, MORE PRESENTATION FROM THE, UH, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT OPERATOR AS WELL? UH, NO, I, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY OTHER STAFF PRESENTATION, NO. THAT, UH, THAT CONCLUDES STAFF PRESENTATIONS. I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT'S AVAILABLE FOR, TO, UH, PROVIDE COMMENTS. UH, I'D LIKE US TO GET THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION, AND THEN [00:30:01] WE'LL GO TO QUESTIONS TESTING. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TO REVIEW OUR PROPOSAL. MY NAME IS LAUREN ALEXANDER. I'M THE PROJECT MANAGER, UH, ON THIS PROJECT. AND WITH ME ON OUR TEAM, I HAVE LANCE CONNELL, WHO'S THE ARCHITECT OF RECORD FROM SDG ARCHITECTS AND AJ WHITAKER FROM ATLAS CIVIL DESIGN, CIVIL ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT. UH, WE'RE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. MIKE DID A VERY THOROUGH JOB WITH THE REPORT, SO I'LL JUST FILL IN A COUPLE OF DETAILS ABOUT PUBLIC OUTREACH THAT WERE NOT MENTIONED. UM, AND THEN IF, UH, IF THERE'S AN INTEREST IN UNDERSTANDING A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT HOW THE PROJECT WOULD OPERATE ONCE IT'S BUILT, I CAN GO INTO A LITTLE BIT OF DETAIL ON THAT AS WELL. SO, UH, WE DID HAVE A, A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING IN JULY OF 2023, AS MIKE MENTIONED. UM, I HAD A NUMBER OF, UH, PRIVATE MEETINGS WITH OTHER NEIGHBORS IN THE AREA. IN ADDITION TO THAT, UH, THE, THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE DIRECTLY, UH, TO THE WEST OF US THAT OWN THE TWO PARCELS ALONG RAVINA LANE, UM, I MET WITH, UH, ON SEVERAL DIFFERENT OCCASIONS TO TALK ABOUT THE USE OF THE EASEMENT THERE, BECAUSE THAT IS THEIR PROPERTY. UM, AND, UM, I ALSO MET WITH A GROUP OF, UH, NEIGHBORS, UM, WERE ALL HERE, UM, UH, TO DISCUSS SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS AND ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT THEY HAD. UM, I ALSO, UM, SPOKE WITH THE OWNERS OF RAVI, ELAINE, I DON'T HAVE THEIR NAMES, BUT THEY HAPPENED TO BE CLOSING ESCROW THE DAY AFTER THEY LEARNED ABOUT THE START OF THIS PROJECT. SO I SPOKE WITH THEM ABOUT THAT, UH, IN DETAIL BEFORE THEY, UM, MADE THE DECISION TO CLOSE ON THEIR PROPERTY. I MET WITH SEVERAL DIFFERENT LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS, GENER H GENERATION HOUSING, EXCUSE ME, WHO I BELIEVE IS ALSO HERE IN CALIFORNIA IN THE BACK, UM, KNOW BEFORE YOU GROW. I DID A PRESENTATION THAT'S, UH, LOCAL TO CONSTITUENTS THAT WERE INTERESTED IN THE PROJECT AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING GENERALLY. AND THEN I ALSO HAD A, A MEETING WITH PETALUMA PEOPLE SERVICES CENTER WHO RENTS OUT SPACE ON THE CITY, UH, CITY PARCEL THAT WOULD BE OUR NEIGHBOR. UH, THE TOPICS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS, UH, REALLY ARE COVERED IN THE LIST THAT MIKE OFFERED. UH, NOTHING THAT WAS ANY DIFFERENT. UM, I WILL JUST MENTION, UH, THE, UM, THE EASEMENT ALONG VENA LANE, UH, WAS PUT IN PLACE, AND THIS IS IN THE REPORT, I BELIEVE IN 1949. IT'S A FAIRLY OLD DOCUMENT. IT'S VERY GENERAL, UH, AND BROAD ALLOWING ACCESS AND UTILITIES. SO THE CURRENT PLAN, UH, IS TO USE THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE EASEMENT FOR ACCESS TO THE PROJECT, BUT NOT TO USE THE EASEMENT TO DRIVE RESIDENTS OUT TO PETALUMA BOULEVARD SOUTH. UH, WE DIDN'T THINK THAT THAT WAS A GOOD USE OF THE EASEMENT AND, UM, THE UTILITIES, OBVIOUSLY THE EXTENSION'S GONNA RUN UNDERNEATH THAT. UM, I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, ON THE OTHER SIDE. UH, THEY, UM, HAVE ASKED US TO STUB OUT THE STORM DRAIN AND SEWER, UM, TO THEIR PROPERTIES, WHICH WERE, WE WILL DISCUSS WITH THEM FURTHER, UM, WHICH THEY'RE REQUIRED TO DO, I BELIEVE, UM, AS THE ANNEXATION INTO THE CITY WAS DONE. AND, UM, WHAT I WOULD JUST SAY, UH, IN REFERENCE TO CONDITION, I THINK 31 ABOUT THE NOX BOX, THAT'S A LITTLE TRICKY IN THAT WE'RE NOT THE SOLE, UM, BENEFICIARIES OF THAT EASEMENT. SO WE DON'T HAVE THE SOLE DECISION MAKING POWER ABOUT WHAT GOES ON THAT SITE. AS OF NOW. WE DO NOT HAVE ANY PLANS TO INSTALL A GATE OR A FENCE ALONG VENA LANE ONLY TO REMOVE THE EXISTING ONE. UM, AND WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS ABOUT INSTALLING A GATE. UM, SO WE MIGHT NEED TO AMEND THAT LANGUAGE JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE FULL POWER TO INSTALL THAT. I WILL MOVE TO, UM, OPERATIONS AND PROPERTY MANAGEMENT. IT'S A QUESTION THAT MANY PEOPLE USUALLY HAVE. UM, THE PACIFIC COMPANIES, WHICH IS THE PARENT COMPANY OF PACIFIC WEST, UH, COMMUNITIES WILL REMAIN THE OWNER OF THE PROJECT. UM, THE PROJECT WILL BE DE RESTRICTED, AFFORDABLE FOR 55 YEARS. AND UNDER STATE TAX CREDIT LAWS, YOU ARE REQUIRED TO REMAIN THE OWNER FOR 10 YEARS, UM, MINIMALLY, BUT MORE LIKE 15 YEARS. UH, THE PACIFIC COMPANIES HAS AN INTERNAL ASSET MANAGEMENT DIVISION THAT OVERSEES ALL OF THEIR PROPERTIES ACROSS THE STATE. AND THEY HIRE PROJECT, UH, SORRY, PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANIES THAT WILL HIRE THE ONSITE MANAGER AND MANAGE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS LEASING. UM, WITH THE OVERSIGHT OF THE PACIFIC COMPANIES, [00:35:01] UM, THERE'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF COMPLIANCE THAT'S INVOLVED IN MANAGING A PROPERTY THAT RECEIVES STATE, UH, STATE TAX CREDITS. SO THEY, WE NEED PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANIES THAT SPECIALIZE IN THAT. UH, IT OTHERWISE THOUGH, OPERATES VERY MUCH LIKE A MARKET RATE PROPERTY. WOULD PEOPLE HAVE TO APPLY, THEY HAVE TO, UM, BE QUALIFIED OF COURSE BY THEIR INCOME LEVEL, UH, FOR THE UNIT THAT THEY'RE APPLYING FOR. BUT OTHERWISE THEY SIGN A LEASE, IT HAS A FIXED TERM. UM, THEIR RULES IN THE LEASE THAT IF THEY'RE BROKEN, CAN LEAD TO ACTIONS TAKEN BY THE PROPERTY OWNER. UM, AND IT'S, WE HAVE OVER 200 PROPERTIES LIKE THIS ACROSS THE STATE. SO, UM, WE'RE VERY USED TO WORKING WITH NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, WHEN THE PROJECT IS OPERATIONAL. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DISCUSSED WITH THE GROUP OF NEIGHBORS THAT I MET WITH WAS POSSIBLY FORMING A COMMITTEE, UM, FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD SO THAT AS THE PROPERTY BEGINS TO OPERATE, IF THERE ARE CONCERNS, THERE'S COMPLAINTS, THEY HAVE A PROCESS BY WHICH THEY CAN COME TO PROPERTY MANAGEMENT, DISCUSS THOSE CONCERNS AND HAVE THEM HEARD. THAT'S A STRUCTURE THAT WE'VE USED IN OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS. SO DEFINITELY OPEN TO THAT IDEA. UM, THE ONLY OTHER KINDA DETAIL I WOULD THINK TO MENTION IS THAT BECAUSE WE ARE USING PUBLIC FUNDS FOR THIS PROJECT, THE STATE HAS OVERSIGHT ONTO PROPERTY MANAGEMENT. SO WE'RE INSPECTED AT LEAST ONCE A YEAR, UM, FOR THINGS LIKE MAINTENANCE OF THE GROUNDS, UM, MAINTENANCE OF THE UNITS, THE LEASE TERMS, UM, THE RESIDENT RULES, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO, UH, BETWEEN THAT AND LOCAL AGREEMENTS THAT WE'LL BE SIGNING, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF OVERSIGHT INTO THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT. AND WITH THAT, WE'RE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MM-HMM, , UH, WE WILL NOW GO TO COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS. I'M GONNA ASK US TO FOCUS ON QUESTIONS SO THAT AT THE END OF THAT WE CAN ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO GIVE COMMENT BEFORE WE GET BACK TO COMMENTS AND DISCUSSION. UH, I'M GONNA START ON THIS SIDE. JESSICA, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? SURE. UM, YOU STARTED TO GET INTO IT, BUT I WAS HOPING YOU COULD, UM, DETAIL THE NOX BOX SITUATION, CURRENT STATUS, HOW THE PROJECT WILL CHANGE IT, AND SORT OF EVENTUAL SOLVE, JUST SO WE'RE ALL CLEAR. SO THE CURRENT SITUATION IS THAT AT THE SOUTHERN END OF THE EASEMENT, THERE IS A GATE THAT BLOCKS DRIVERS FROM GOING DOWN THAT, UM, THAT EASEMENT THAT WILL HAVE TO BE REMOVED IN ORDER FOR US TO BUILD OUR PROJECT. WE DO NOT HAVE PLANS TO REPLACE THE GATE, UH, NOR DO WE HAVE PLANS TO INSTALL A GATE ANYWHERE ALONG RAVINA LANE. THAT'S A CONVERSATION THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO THE WEST. UM, AND WE JUST HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO HAVE THAT, THAT MEETING YET. UM, THEY HAVE A SORT OF COMPLEX SITUATION WITH OWNERSHIP CHANGING ON THAT SIDE. UM, IT'S OUR PREFERENCE NOT TO HAVE A GATE. I DON'T KNOW THAT ONE IS NECESSARY. THEY USE THAT AS THEIR PRIMARY DRIVEWAY TO ACCESS THEIR, THEIR PROPERTIES, AND WE WILL HAVE SIGNS UP THAT PREVENT DIRECT OUR RESIDENTS NOT TO USE IT FOR THAT PURPOSE. WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT KEEP IT OPEN FOR EVA, CERTAINLY, UH, AND THEN ALSO FOR PEDESTRIAN BIKE TRAFFIC OUT TO PETALUMA BOULEVARD SOUTH. OKAY. SO JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING YOU, THERE'S A GATE THERE NOW THAT YOU'RE GONNA DEFINITELY TAKE OUT. MM-HMM, , BUT YOU DON'T HAVE SOLE POWER TO MAKE SURE NO NEW GATE COMES UP, IS PART OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? THAT'S CORRECT. I DO BELIEVE, AND I AM NOT AN ATTORNEY, SO WE CAN, UH, WE WILL CHECK THIS WITH AN ATTORNEY, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THE WAY THAT THE EASEMENT IS WRITTEN, THE RESIDENTS OR THE OWNERS OF THE TWO PROPERTIES ALONG RAVINA LANE CANNOT INSTALL ANYTHING THAT WOULD IMPEDE OUR USE OF THE EASEMENT. A GATE WOULD DO, WOULD DO THAT. UM, SO I DO BELIEVE THERE'S LEGAL REASONS WE WOULDN'T HAVE ONE. GREAT. UM, AND THEN JUST GENERALLY, I KNOW WE'RE TALKING 30% TO 60%, UM, A MI FOR THOSE AFFORDABLE UNITS. DO, COULD YOU JUST HAVE ROUGH NUMBERS TO GIVE US, JUST SO WE CAN ALL SORT OF BE ROOTED IN THAT MATH OF EXPECTED, JUST JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR ON WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING HERE, IN TERMS OF THE INCOMES OF THE RESIDENTS THAT WOULD LIVE IN THE UNITS AND EXPECTED RENT? OH, SO, UH, I BELIEVE THE, SO I WOULD LOVE TO GIVE THIS A DIRECT ANSWER, BUT IT'S A LITTLE BIT COMPLICATED. THE WAY THE AMIS WORK IS THEY DO IT BY HOUSEHOLD SIZE. SO IF WE JUST LOOK AT THE AVERAGE SIZE OF THE HOUSEHOLD OF FOUR PEOPLE, WHICH WOULD BE TWO KIDS AND TWO ADULTS, I BELIEVE THE SONOMA COUNTY AREA MEDIAN INCOME RIGHT NOW IS $124,400. UH, SO FROM THERE YOU WOULD TAKE THE PERCENTAGE. SO A 30% UNIT WOULD BE 30% OF THAT. UH, CAN'T DO THAT MATH IN MY HEAD, , BUT YOU GET THE DRIFT JUST, AND THEN, UM, THEY WOULD HAVE TO MAKE THAT OR LESS. AND WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO CHARGE MORE THAN 30% OF THEIR INCOME IN RENT AND UTILITIES. OKAY. GREAT. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? UH, I'LL, I'LL WHIP OUT THE CALCULATOR. . . OKAY. UM, I THINK [00:40:01] THAT'LL, SORRY, ONE MORE TIME WITH THE, SO IF YOU SAY THE AREA MEDIAN AND INCOME FOR SONOMA COUNTY, RIGHT. WHICH YOU RATTLED OFF THAT NUMBER. $124,400. GREAT. OKAY. BELIEVE, I BELIEVE THAT'S ACCURATE FOR FOUR. COOL. YEAH, I CAN GO FROM THERE. THANK YOU. THAT'S GOOD. OKAY. THANK YOU, ROGER. JUST A, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. UH, IT'S MENTIONED THAT THERE'S A, UM, LIMIT OF HOW MANY TREES YOU CAN PLANT. UH, 16 ARE REQUIRED, BUT YOU'RE ONLY PLANTING LESS THAN THAT. IS, IS THERE REASON FOR THAT JUST RAN OUT OF SPACE? YEAH. CAN YOU PLANT SMALLER TREES? UM, WE, UH, THAT'S A COMPLICATED ANSWER, I THINK BECAUSE WE, WE COULD, BUT I BELIEVE THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO PLANT THE SAME SIZE AS WE'RE REMOVING, OR THERE'S, THERE'S A CORRESPONDING SIZE TO THE TREE THAT WE'RE REMOVING THAT WE HAVE TO REPLANT AS A MINIMUM SIZE. RIGHT. IT'S A BOX SIZE. I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S EVEN FEASIBLE PLANTING THE SAME SIZE WE'RE REMOVING NO, NO, I'M SORRY. I MEANT TO CORRESPONDING SIZE. SO IF WE REMOVE A MATURE TREE, WE HAVE TO REPLACE IT WITH, UM, THERE'S A MINIMUM SIZE TREE THAT WE CAN REPLACE IT WITH. SO WE CAN'T NECESSARILY GO SMALLER THAN THAT. UH, I GUESS THE ONLY QUESTION, THERE'S A LOT OF RE RETAIN WALL CONDITIONS. IT SEEMS LIKE TREE PLANTING WOULD HELP THAT, THOSE CONDITIONS. UH, WE HAD EXTENSIVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT, ESPECIALLY ALONG THE EASTERN SIDE. AND WE'RE RUNNING INTO KIND OF A CONFLICT BETWEEN WANTING TO HELP WITH SCREENING ON THAT SIDE AND FIRE DEFENSIBILITY. UM, SO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ASKED US TO REMOVE SOME OF THE VEGETATION THAT WAS ALONG THAT SIDE, REDUCE THE HEIGHT OF IT, UH, FOR FIRE SAFETY. OKAY. UM, THE OTHER QUESTIONS ALONG, UH, JOLINE, THERE'S EXISTING TREES THAT YOU'RE MAINTAINING, BUT LOOKS LIKE THE RETAINING WALLS CUT INTO THEIR DRIP LINE QUITE SEVERELY. IS THERE ANY SORT OF ARBORIST INVOLVEMENT OR EVALUATION OR, OR, UH, MONITORING? YES. WE HAVE AN ARBORIST REPORT AND THAT SAME ARBORIST WILL DO AN INSPECTION OF THE TREES PRIOR TO CONSTRUCTION. UH, WE ARE OPEN TO REPLACING THE TREES, THE STREET TREES THAT EXIST. WE THOUGHT WE WOULD SHOW THEM AS, UH, YOU KNOW, MAINTAINING THEM 'CAUSE THEY ARE ALIVE AND HEALTHY. UM, SO THERE'S NO NEED TO PULL THEM OUT NECESSARILY, BUT WE CAN REPLACE THEM, UM, WITH NEW TREES AND AN ARBORIST WOULD HELP US. NO, I'M NOT SUGGESTING YOU REPLACE THEM. I'M SUGGESTING WE RE PROTECT THEM, MAKE SURE THAT WE DO KEEP THEM ALIVE. 'CAUSE THEY'RE A VALUABLE, UH, BUFFER TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SURE. YEAH. ANN ARBORIST WILL HELP US WITH TREE PROTECTION PLANS BEFORE CONSTRUCTION. OKAY. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. UH, I'M GOING TO JUMP IN WITH A FEW QUESTIONS, A LOT OF WHICH ARE GONNA BE, UH, FOR MIKE AND STAFF RIGHT OUTTA THE GATE. SO YOU CAN PROBABLY SIT DOWN IF YOU WANT TO. OKAY. I'LL, I'LL HANG OUT JUST IN CASE. THANK YOU. UH, I WANNA DO A LITTLE BIT OF TABLE SETTING WITH MY QUESTIONS. SOME OF THIS HAS BEEN MORE THAN COVERED IN STAFF REPORTS. SOME OF THIS HAS COME UP IN QUESTIONS THAT WE'VE ASKED STAFF IN BETWEEN, BUT I WANT MAKE SURE WE HAVE AT LEAST A BIT OF A SHARED UNDERSTANDING OF THE REGULATORY FRAMEWORK. WE'RE KIND OF POSED UPON US FOR THIS. SO, UH, JUST AT THE START, UH, A LOT OF FOLKS HAVE RAISED ISSUES WITH FIRE CONCERNS. UH, HAVING GONE TO THAT SITE MULTIPLE TIMES NOW MYSELF, I, I CAN SEE WHY THAT KEEPS CROPPING UP, ESPECIALLY WITH IT BEING IN A LOCAL WOOEY. UH, CAN YOU SPEAK TO, UH, HOW OUR FIRE SERVICES CLEARED THE SITE OR CLEARED THE PROJECT? UH, YES. CHAIR HOOPER. SO FIRE HAS REVIEWED, UM, FIRES, REVIEWED THE, THE PLANS AND HAS, UH, APPROVED THEM WITH CONDITIONS TO COMPLY WITH WE STANDARDS. UM, THAT INCLUDES, AS LAUREN WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT WITH PLANTINGS, IT INCLUDES THINGS LIKE DEFENSIBLE SPACE, WHICH THE FIRE MARSHAL WILL REVIEW, UM, UPON BUILDING PERMIT SUBMITTAL. THEY'LL LOOK AT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NO PHYTIC SPECIES TO MAKE SURE SHRUBS AREN'T TOO CLOSE TO TREE CANOPIES, ET CETERA. UM, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO, UM, BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS THAT, UM, REQUIRE, UM, MATERIALS TO BE, UM, FIRE HARDENED. SO THE, THE SIDING, THE ROOF SHINGLES HAVE TO BE, UM, CLASS A FIRE RATED. UM, THERE'S OTHER REQUIREMENTS FOR THE, THE VENTS OF THE BUILDING. UM, AND THEN BECAUSE THE PROJECT IS, UM, LESS THAN A HUNDRED UNITS, THERE'S ONLY, UM, PER THE FIRE CODE, THERE'S ONLY ONE ACCESS, UH, FIRE ACCESS REQUIRED, WHICH IT'S MEETING AND IT SHOWS THE FIRE APPARATUS DIAGRAM AND THE TURNAROUND. AND SO, UM, BUT THEN THAT SAID THE EASEMENT WOULD PROVIDE, UM, A SECONDARY MEANS OF ACCESS FOR FIRE AND IN THE EVENT OF, UM, AN EMERGENCY RESPONSE, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO [00:45:01] USE THAT RAVINA LANE EASEMENT. UM, AND IT WOULD ALSO, UH, PER THE FIRE MARSHAL, IT WOULD BE, UM, ABLE TO BE USED IN AN EVACUATION SCENARIO AS WELL. UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT, IT COMPLIES WITH THE FIRE CODE, THE BILLING CODE AND, AND FIRES REVIEWED IT. SO JUST TO BE CLEAR THEN, ASIDE FROM FOLLOWING PRETTY MUCH THE CURRENT STANDARDS FOR HOME HARDENING AND DEFENSIBLE SPACE FOLKS, SHOULD WE BE IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION WHERE PEOPLE HAVE TO EVACUATE ASIDE FROM FIRE SERVICES BEING ABLE TO COME INTO VENA, PEOPLE ON SITE WILL BE ABLE TO EXIT OUT TO PETMAN BOULEVARD SOUTH THROUGH VENA, CORRECT? YES. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TOLD FROM THE FIRE MARSHAL. UM, THAT WOULD BE THE CASE, CORRECT. OKAY. UH, THAT IS A BIT OF A RELIEF. UM, A FEW NEIGHBORS, UH, WERE ABLE, SENT, SENT SOME COMMENTS TALKING ABOUT HOW CAL FIRE USED TO PATROL THE AREA. I WAS JUST WONDERING, WAS THERE A REASON THAT THAT CEASED AND DID THAT FACTOR AT ALL INTO ASSESSING THE SITE? UH, I'M NOT AWARE OF CAL FIRE P PATROL HISTORY, HOWEVER, UM, I BELIEVE THE STATE MAPS WERE RECENTLY UPDATED. AND THIS SITE IS NOT IN A, UM, A FIRE HAZARD ZONE PER THE STATE MAPPING, BUT IT IS IN A, I BELIEVE, A LOCAL RESPONSIBILITY AREA. AND OUR CURRENT ADOPTED, UH, LOCAL MAPPING SHOWS IT, UM, AS WITHIN THE, THE WILDFIRE URBAN LAND INTERFACE OR WILDLAND URBAN INTERFACE HUI. GOT IT. SO THIS HAS BEEN CHECKED BY OUR FIRE MARSHAL AGREEMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE WITH THE APPLICANT FOR HOW THEY'LL APPROACH DEVELOPMENT AND SITE MA MAINTENANCE. AND I TAKE IT IN TERMS OF ANY POTENTIAL RISK BECAUSE OF CURRENT MAPPING, BOTH FROM THE STATE AND THEN OWN MAPPING, THERE'D BE NO WAY TO CONSIDER THE FIRE RISK A, UH, A HEALTH HAZARD OR A STANDARD WHEN LOOKING AT EXEMPTIONS FOR, FOR THE DENSITY BONUS OR ANYTHING RELATED TO THE PROJECT? UH, THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. THERE WAS NO, UM, STAFF COULD NOT FIND ANY SPECIFIC ADVERSE PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY IMPACTS. GOT IT. SURE. IF, IF I MIGHT, WE HAD RECEIVED A, UM, WE REVIEWED THE PROJECT AGAIN WITH FIRE MARSHAL THIS MORNING AND UNFORTUNATELY SHE WASN'T ABLE TO BE HERE THIS EVENING, BUT SHE DID SEND A COMMENT AND I'D LIKE TO READ THAT COMMENT INTO THE RECORD. WE JUST RECEIVED IT AT ABOUT FIVE 20 THIS EVENING. THAT WOULD BE IDEAL. THANK YOU. OKAY, GREAT. SO, UH, THIS IS AN EMAIL FROM FIRE MARSHAL JESSICA POWER, UH, IT WAS RECEIVED BY STAFF, UM, ON TUESDAY, APRIL 23RD AT 5:20 PM AND IT READS, THANK YOU FOR INQUIRING ABOUT THE PROJECT AT TWO RAVINA LANE. OUR DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN THE REVIEWS OF THE APPLICATION AND DONE EXTENSIVE REVIEWS OF THE PROJECT, INCLUDING SITE VISITS TO THE AREA. THE PROJECT MEETS THE FIRE CODE REQUIREMENTS, INCLUDING THE FIRE RESISTIVE CONSTRUCTION REQUIRED FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT IN THE WILDLAND URBAN INTERFACE AS ADOPTED BY THE CITY OF PETALUMA. THE PROJECT IS ALSO WORKING WITH OUR DEPARTMENT TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND THE REQUIREMENTS AND WILL HAVE APPROVAL OF THEIR DEFENSIBLE SPACE VEGETATION PLAN, WHICH IS NOT CURRENTLY A MINIMUM REQUIREMENT. THESE ARE TWO OF THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTORS IN BUILDINGS, UH, SURVIVING A WILDFIRE. IN ADDITION, THEY NOT ONLY HAVE THE REQUIRED ACCESS POINT, THEY HAVE ACCESS TO RAVINA LANE TO PETALUMA BOULEVARD IN CASE OF A LARGE EVACUATION. AND THEN SHE SIGNS AT JESSICA POWER FIRE MARSHAL. GOT IT. THANK YOU. UM, BEAR WITH ME, I JUST, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE GET SOME OF THESE CONCERNS KIND OF ASKED AND ANSWERED THIS PROCESS AND ESPECIALLY 'CAUSE I ASSUME FOLKS DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME TO READ ALL THE DOCUMENTS THAT KIND OF COME OUT WITH THIS, SO I DON'T WANT TO ASSUME FOLKS HAVE COME IN HERE WITH THAT. UM, ON ACCESS TO RAVI LANE, THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING A LOT OF WHAT WOULD'VE BEEN MY QUESTIONS ON CONFIRMING THAT'S MORE OR LESS A PRIVATE ROAD, WHAT THE ACCESS TO THE EASEMENT WOULD BE. UH, IS THERE, WILL YOU BE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE LONG-TERM USE FOR BIKES AS WELL? SO AT LEAST FOR THE PEDESTRIAN BICYCLE TRAVEL THROUGH THAT ROAD REGARDLESS OF EMERGENCY? SO LEGALLY THERE'S NO NEED TO NEGOTIATE IT BECAUSE WE HAVE THE ACCESS EASEMENT. OKAY. UM, I, I, I DO WANT TO PREFACE THAT WITH THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE LONG-TERM RESIDENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS, SO WE DO WANT TO DO THAT AS PEACEFULLY AS POSSIBLE. MM-HMM, . MM-HMM. , UH, AND, UM, WHAT WITH THE OWNERSHIP CHANGES HAPPENING ON THE TWO PARCELS THAT USE REVENA LANE AS THEIR PRIMARY ACCESS POINT? I'M NOT SURE WHERE IT'LL SHAKE OUT, BUT WE DO LEGALLY HAVE THE RIGHT TO USE IT FOR THAT PURPOSE. GOT IT. AND I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS, BUT I'M GONNA PUT STAFF ON SPOT ANYWAY. IS THERE A [00:50:01] LONG-TERM PLAN OF ANY KIND TO EVENTUALLY OWN RAVINA LANE AS A CITY TO GET CONTROL OF THAT OR AT LEAST GET ACCESS TO THE EASEMENT? SO, UH, THE, THE MOST IMMEDIATE OR SHORTEST ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS NOT AT THIS POINT IN TIME. HOWEVER, THE CITY DOES OWN THE, THE APPROXIMATELY TWO ACRE PROPERTY BETWEEN THE PROJECT SITE AND PETALUMA BOULEVARD SOUTH. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THROUGH STATE LAWS, UH, JURISDICTIONS ARE ENCOURAGED TO REDEVELOP PROPERTY FOR HOUSING. MM-HMM. . SO WE WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY THAT'S OCCUPIED BY FAMILY HOUSING SERVICES OF SONOMA COUNTY, I BELIEVE. UH, AND THEY'VE BEEN A TENANT THERE FOR QUITE A WHILE. BUT, BUT SHOULD UM, THE CITY BE IN A POSITION TO REDEVELOP THAT PROPERTY AT SOME POINT IN FUTURE? CERTAINLY. I THINK THE, THE PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO ACQUIRE THAT EASTMAN AREA FOR A RIGHT OF WAY, UM, TO BE ABLE TO EXTEND RAVINA LANE OUT PETALUMA OF ARTS SOUTH. LACKING THAT, I THINK, UM, CERTAINLY THE, UH, UH, A REDEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY OWNED PARCEL WOULD LOOK AT HOW IT COULD PROVIDE ACCESS TO PETALUMA BOULEVARD SOUTH THROUGH A PRIVATE DRIVE ARRANGEMENT. OKAY. IT'S, IT'S GOOD TO KNOW THERE'S A PATHWAY FOR IT. IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE DISHEARTENING TO KNOW IT'S NOT ANYTIME SOON IF ONLY BECAUSE OUTSIDE OF EMERGENCY CONTEXT, I CAN JUST, THE ROUTE SOMEBODY IN RAVINA LANE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE TO GET TO PETALUMA BOULEVARD SOUTH OR MAIN THOROUGHFARE IS, IS A BIT CIRCUIT. I CAN'T SAY THAT WORD RIGHT NOW IS A BIT ALL OVER THE PLACE IF THEY CAN'T BE LINED STRAIGHT TO PETALUMA BOULEVARD SOUTH. ALSO FOR, FROM A PUBLIC TRANSIT PERSPECTIVE, JUST HAVING ACCESS TO THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT. BUT, ALRIGHT. FAIR ENOUGH. UM, I'M GONNA MOVE ON FROM RAVINA LANE AND I WANT TO ADDRESS THE, ASK A FEW QUESTIONS AROUND THE DENSITY BONUS. AND, UH, I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR MIKE TO CONFIRM AND THEN DYLAN, THE REST OF THESE ARE GONNA BE FOR YOU. UM, THIS, THE PROJECT'S DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB OF MAXIMIZING, UH, HOUSING A HOUSING CRISIS ACT OF 2019 OR SB THREE 30 ARE HOUSING ACCOUNTABILITY ACT OF NINE, WHICH 1982 AND THEN OUR GOVERNMENT CODE 6 5 9 1 5 FOR THEIR STATE BONUS LAW STATE DENSITY BONUS LAWS, SORRY. UM, TO REALLY MAKE THIS A PROJECT THAT'S KIND OF A, A LOT OF THIS IS WE HAVE TO, AND A LITTLE LESS WHAT WE WOULD NORMALLY DO AS A PLANNING COMMISSION. UM, ONE THING I WANTED TO JUST VERIFY, IT'S IN PART BECAUSE OF A COMBINATION OF THOSE LAWS THAT, UH, WHAT WOULD NORMALLY BE AN R FOUR ZONING IS GETTING AN 80% DENSITY BONUS, WHICH IS WHY IT GOES FROM 18 TO 32. AND AND THAT'S ALSO PART OF WHY IT GETS TO BYPASS PRETTY CLEANLY A LOT OF OUR, UH, LOCAL ORDINANCES IN THIS REGARD. CORRECT? UH, THAT'S CORRECT. CHAIR HOOPER, UH, THE, THE PROJECT, UH, IS ELIGIBLE FOR AN 80% DENSITY BONUS, AND THAT'S, UM, IN ADDITION TO THE ALLOWABLE BASE DENSITY OF 18 UNITS PER ACRE, UM, THE SITE'S ROUGHLY AN ACRE. AND SO ONCE, WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE 80%, AND AGAIN, THAT'S, IT'S IN THE STAFF REPORT AND I THINK I'VE HAD A PRESENTATION, BUT IT'S BECAUSE IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT AFFORDABLE AND THAT, AND TO, UM, LOWER INCOME LEVEL HOUSEHOLDS. SO THAT'S, UM, WHAT, THAT'S THE CORRESPONDING, YOU KNOW, PER STATE DENSITY BONUS LAW, THAT'S A CORRESPONDING, UH, BONUS. MM-HMM. . AND THEN, UM, YES, YOU ALSO CAN REQUEST THE APPLICANT MUST REQUEST CONCESSIONS, UM, CAN RE, CAN REQUEST INCENTIVES, CONCESSIONS OR WAIVERS. UM, THE CONCESSIONS ARE FOR, UM, UM, IDENTIFIABLE COST REDUCTIONS AND THE WAIVERS ARE FOR, UM, RELIEF FROM DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT WOULD OTHERWISE PRECLUDE PROVIDING, UH, THE NUMBER OF UNITS YOU GET UNDER DENSITY BONUS. UM, SO THEY'VE OUTLINED, THEY'VE REQUESTED TWO CONCESSIONS AND THEN A SUITE OF 12 WAIVERS. UM, AND IT'S ALL, IT'S DETAILED IN, IN ATTACHMENT TWO. GOT IT. THANK YOU FOR RESTATING THAT. UM, IT'S JUST IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THIS CONTEXT BECAUSE IN A NORMAL CONTEXT AS A COMMISSION WE'D BE ABLE TO ENGAGE ON CERTAIN ASPECTS OF THIS WITH MORE CONTROL THAN WE HAVE TONIGHT BECAUSE OF THIS. UM, DYLAN, WOULD YOU MIND SPEAKING TO, UH, THE CON THE FEW CONDITIONS THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO ACTUALLY, UH, MODIFY THE DENSITY OR AT LEAST THE EXCEPTIONS TO THIS THAT CITY HAS UNDER CURRENT LAW? SURE, THAT'S AN EASY ANSWER. THE STATE LAW DENSITY BONUS LAW THAT WAS ENACTED BACK IN 1979 PROVIDES A CITY OR ANY LOCAL JURISDICTION. THERE AREN'T FINDINGS THAT THE CITY COULD MAKE [00:55:01] THAT WOULD, UH, REDUCE THE DENSITY THAT THE APPLICANT REQUESTS HERE. SO FOR LIKE THE CONCESSIONS AND INCENTIVES, THE STATE LAW DOES PROVIDE THE CITY SOME, UH, ABILITY TO, IF THERE'S, UH, HEALTH AND SAFETY SPECIFIC FINDINGS OR THERE'S AFFORDABILITY OR IF IT VIOLATES THE FEDERAL STATE LAW, THERE ARE FINDINGS THAT THE CITY COULD FIND THAT SAYS THOSE CONCESSIONS AND DENY THEM. BUT FOR THE ACTUAL DENSITY, THERE'S NOTHING THE CITY CAN DO. GOT IT. AND THEN, UM, I TAKE IT NOW BECAUSE OF HOW THESE LAWS HAVE EVOLVED, ESPECIALLY SINCE SB THREE 30, UH, THE BURDEN OF PROOF NOW, IS THAT ON THE CITY OR THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE THE DATA TO PROVE ONE OF THESE THREE EXCEPTION AREAS? YES, UH, YEAH. I THINK IT WAS TWO YEARS AGO WHERE THE STATE LEGISLATURE FLIPPED THE BURDEN OF PROOF. IT'S NO LONGER ON THE APPLICANT TO PROVE THAT THERE ARE ACTUAL IDENTIFIABLE HEALTH AND SAFETY OR COST REDUCTIONS THAT WOULD BE ON THE CITY TO PROVE, UH, IF THERE WAS A LAWSUIT, IT WOULD BE THE CITY. IF WE'RE UNABLE TO MAKE THOSE FINDINGS, WE WOULD HAVE TO PAY ATTORNEY'S FEES. SO IT IS A VERY, VERY HIGH BAR BURDEN HERE. AND I WOULD SAY TOO THAT THE SPECIFIC HEALTH AND SAFETY, AND I'M READING RIGHT NOW THE DEFINITION IT WOULD BE, UH, BASED ON OBJECTIVE I IDENTIFIED WRITTEN PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY STANDARDS, POLICIES OR CONDITIONS THAT EXISTED ON THE DAY THE APPLICATION WAS COMPLETE. MM-HMM. . SO THE FACT THAT THIS APPLICATION MEETS THE CITY'S REQUIRED OBJECTIVE STANDARDS BESIDES THE CONCESSIONS AND WAIVERS, MAKES IT VERY HARD FOR THOSE CITY TO MAKE THOSE FINDINGS. AND AS CITY DISCUSSED WITH ITS BUILDING THE FIRE EMERGENCY PLANNER AND WAS UNABLE TO MAKE THOSE FINDINGS. RIGHT. AND JUST TO ADD ONE MORE POINT TO THIS, UH, BECAUSE BURDEN OF PROOF IS NOW ON THE CITY TO HAVE THIS DATA, IT'S ALSO BURDEN OF PROOF FOR THE CITY TO ACTUALLY FIND THE DATA. WE CAN'T ASK THE APPLICANT TO CLARIFY OR PROVIDE MORE DETAILS, ESPECIALLY AROUND THINGS LIKE AFFORDABILITY COSTS AND THAT SORT OF THING. UH, YES, THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. CHAIR. YES, THERE'S ACTUALLY CASES, I BELIEVE IT WAS, UH, SAN DIEGO AND A BERKELEY CASE, BOTH OF 'EM THAT KIND OF REAFFIRMED THAT THE CITY CANNOT ASK THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE THOSE COST BENEFITS. BUT I THINK THIS APPLICANTS DID PROVIDE, WAS IT SONOMA COUNTY THAT PROVED THAT MM-HMM THERE ARE GONNA BE COST REDUCTIONS FOR THE CONCESSIONS THAT THEY REQUESTED. THANK YOU. AND MOVING PAST, MOVING PAST THE DENSITY BONUS, BUT LOOKING AT THE DESIGN FRONT, UH, JUST TRYING TO KEEP THIS IN MIND FOR THE REST OF OUR REMAINING QUESTIONS AND OTHER PRESCRIPTIONS WE MIGHT WANNA AT LEAST DISCUSS HAVING FOR THE, FOR THE APPLICANT, UH, GIVEN THE HOLISTIC APPROACH THAT THE APPLICANT HAS TAKEN TO AFFORDABILITY, UH, ESPECIALLY AROUND NOT JUST THE COST OF RENT, BUT ALL THE COST OF HOUSING, HOW, HOW LIMITED DO WE END UP BEING WHEN IT COMES TO TRYING TO MAKE CHANGES TO DESIGN OR AT LEAST MAKE SIGNIFICANT, ANY SIGNIFICANT CHANGES? YES, I CAN ANSWER THAT ONE IN MIKE OR ANDREW. FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN THERE TOO. UH, I BELIEVE THE CITY CANNOT MAKE CONDITIONS THAT LEAD THE PRODUCT OR THE PROJECT NOT VIABLE OR AFFORDABLE. AND AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE ON THE CITY TO PROVE. UM, AND THE CITY WOULD ALSO HAVE THE BURDEN, I THINK, TO SHOW THAT THOSE BIG DESIGN CHANGES ALSO ARE NEEDED TO MITIGATE ANY ADVERSE EFFECTS, WHICH THEN EFFECTIVELY MEANS FOR MOST CHANGES WE WANNA MAKE OR AT LEAST WANNA PROPOSE TO MAKE, WE'D HAVE TO BE FIRMLY NEGOTIATING WITH THE APPLICANT WHO REALLY HOLDS LEVERAGE IN THIS CASE. I, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S THE WAY I READ STATE LAW HERE REALLY HOLDS THE, TIES THE CITY IN, UH, PRETTY WELL HERE. ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU. I THANK YOU FOR WALKING WITH ME THROUGH THIS EXERCISE. IT'S JUST, WE'VE PUT OUT A LOT OF DOCUMENTS ON THIS. THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF EMAILS THAT HAVE GONE BACK AND FORTH. I I CAN UNDERSTAND IT'S SIMPLE FOR FOLKS TO HEAR, OH, IT'S STATE LAW AND THAT SOUNDS LIKE AN EXCUSE. SO I REALLY WANTED TO HAVE THIS LAID OUT HERE IN A PUBLIC HEARING THAT'S ALSO BEING RECORDED ON YOUTUBE FOR ANYBODY ELSE TO LOOK AT LATER. UH, JUST WHERE THE KIND OF LIMITATIONS ARE FOR THIS DISCUSSION FOR US AND WHERE THE LIMITATIONS ARE FOR ANY PRESCRIPTIONS WE WANT TO MAKE COMPARED TO WHAT WE MIGHT NORMALLY DO. 'CAUSE IN A NORMAL SPAR REVIEW, WE'D BE JUST GOING DOWN THROUGH OUR OWN ORDINANCES AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE AS MUCH STATE LAW TO CONTEND WITH. UM, OKAY. MOVING AWAY FROM THAT, UH, I HAVE A, A FEW MORE QUESTIONS AND THEN I'LL STOP HOGGING QUESTIONS. UM, IN TERMS OF, IN TERMS OF PARKING, HOW, [01:00:01] HOW IS THAT FIGURE PULLED UP? I BELIEVE THERE'S A STANDARD FOR LOW INCOME PARKING NUMBERS. I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT CONFIRMED. WELL, THE, THE UM, DATA ANALYSIS OVER THE YEARS GENERALLY CONCLUDES BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF STUDIES AND THERE'S A LOT OF FACTORS THAT GO INTO IT, ESPECIALLY THE LEVEL OF URBANIZATION OF, UH, WHERE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS LOCATED. BUT WHAT IF, IF WE LOOK ACROSS A VARIETY OF STUDIES, TYPICALLY WE'RE FINDING THAT CAR OWNERSHIP BY LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLDS RANGES FROM SAY, 0.7 PER UNIT TO ABOUT 1.2 UNIT OR CARS PER UNIT. SO WE'RE ACTUALLY, IN TERMS OF CAR OWNERSHIP, AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRENDS TO BE QUITE A BIT LESS THAN MARKET RATE HOUSING. AND SO THAT'S ONE REASON WHY, UM, THE, THE STATE THEN ALLOWS FOR, UM, OR RESTRICTS THE, THE ABILITY OF THE JURISDICTION TO ESTABLISH, UM, PARKING MINIMUMS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING BECAUSE THEY'RE RECOGNIZING THAT THE CAR OWNERSHIP PATTERN IS DIFFERENT BASED UPON INCOME LEVEL. I TAKE IT THAT THAT WOULD THEN MEAN THAT WE'D HAVE NO SHOT AT CHALLENGING THE PARKING CONCESSION AS IS GIVEN WHAT THAT DATA LOOKS LIKE. WELL, THE, THE CHALLENGE, THE, THE CHALLENGE TO THE PARKING CONCESSION WOULD BE THAT PRESUMABLY THAT YOU WOULD REQUIRE OR, OR SEEK TO HAVE MORE PARKING CREATED ON SITE. MM-HMM. . BUT GIVEN THIS SITE IN PARTICULAR, THAT WOULD LIKELY RESULT IN A REDUCTION IN THE NUMBER OF UNITS RIGHT. AND THAT YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO. SO I THINK THAT'S FACTOR, BUT ALSO I THINK WE WERE CONSTRAINED BY STATE LAW WITH REGARD TO THE, UM, THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF PARKING WE COULD REQUIRE. AND THAT'S BASED ON A PER UNIT, UH, CALCULATION. ISN'T THAT CORRECT? UH, YES, THAT'S CORRECT. UH, STATE DENSITY BONUS DOES NOT ALLOW, UH, THE PARKING MINIMUM TO EXCEED 1.5 SPACES FOR TWO BEDROOM, TWO AND THREE BEDROOM UNITS. AND SO, UM, THAT EFFECTIVELY DROPS THEIR, THEIR MINIMUM, UM, TO 43 AND THEY'RE PROVIDING 51. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND THEN, UH, ONE, ONE QUESTION I ALSO HAD, AND, AND THIS IS MOVING AWAY FROM THE STATE LAW DISCUSSION, UH, THIS, THIS PROPOSES TAUGHT LOTS AND THIS PROPOSES, UM, PLAYERS FOR OR ACT ACTIVE AREAS FOR TEENAGERS AS WELL. UH, I WAS WONDERING IF THE CITY HAD OR APPLICANT HAD CONSIDERED, UH, SENIOR ACTIVITY AREAS. THIS BEEN SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DEAL WITH FOR A WHILE ACROSS A FEW PROJECTS WHERE WE'VE GONE STRAIGHT FOR TOT LOTS 'CAUSE THAT'S KIND OF THE NORM, BUT WE'VE FORGOTTEN A WHOLE CHUNK OF THIS, OF OUR CITY AND ACTUALLY GROWING PORTION OF OUR CI CITY, WHICH IS THE SENIOR COMMUNITY. HMM. UH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. UH, SO I, IT'S LIKE A TWO-SIDED ANSWER I THINK IN THAT, UM, IN SEEKING PUBLIC FUNDS FOR, UH, THE PROJECT WE'RE ALSO REQUIRED TO PROVIDE CERTAIN AMENITIES MM-HMM. , UM, AND ALL THE WAY DOWN TO SQUARE FOOTAGE AND WHAT KINDS OF THINGS YOU CAN HAVE IN THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE. GOT IT. UM, SO WE'RE UPHELD TO THAT STANDARD AND, UM, THIS IS NOT A SENIOR PROJECT SURE. SPECIFICALLY, SO WE HADN'T CONSIDERED THAT. UM, GENERALLY ALL OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE HAVE A, UM, LIKE JUST A GENERAL GATHERING AREA WHERE YOU HAVE A SHADED STRUCTURE, A BARBECUE WHERE PEOPLE CAN HAVE GATHERINGS. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT FITS INTO THE CONVERSATION YOU'VE HAD AROUND SENIOR AMENITIES. UM, AND THEN THE, WHAT WHAT'S DESIGNATED ON THE PLAN IS LIKE A TEEN, SORT OF ADOLESCENT AREA WOULD LIKELY BE SOMETHING THAT ADULTS COULD USE AS WELL. UM, TYPICALLY WE HAVE THINGS LIKE AN OUTDOOR GAME AREA OR A, UM, OUTDOOR EQUIPMENT FOR PHYSICAL EXERCISE, THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT LAST PART WAS MORE OF WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR. OKAY. AND I, I TAKE IT GOING BACK TO DESIGN PUBLIC FUNDS THAT YOU'RE GETTING FOR THIS LITERALLY EVERY SQUARE INCH, THIS IS PROBABLY DESIGNED IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE FUNDS THAT YOU'RE GETTING. YEAH. YEAH. RIGHT. UM, I KNOW THERE WAS CONVERSATION, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATION BOTH, UH, FROM FOLKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEN, UH, WITH STAFF ABOUT THE, UM, THE DOG PARK AND HOURS OF OPERATION. AND SO I'M JUST GOING TO GIVE THIS VISIBILITY NOW. UH, SURE. IS, IS THERE A CHANCE WE COULD HAVE STRICT GUIDELINES AROUND WHEN THAT PARK IS OPEN AND HOW THAT'S, HOW THAT'S BEING MANAGED? SO I, I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK A LITTLE BIT IN, UH, IN, IN DISCUSSING THIS ISSUE WITH STAFF, WHAT I REALIZED ADMITTEDLY SORT OF LATE IS THAT WE LABEL THIS A DOG PARK BECAUSE THAT IS A TERM THAT OUR DESIGN CONSULTANTS AND THE STATE TAX CREDIT AGENCY IS USED TO SEEING. MM-HMM. THIS IS A VERY COMMON AMENITY. 'CAUSE AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, IF YOU HAVE APARTMENTS, YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT HAVE PETS, AND IF YOU LET [01:05:01] THEM RELIEVE THEIR PETS ANYWHERE ON PROPERTY, YOU END UP WITH A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT ISSUE. MM-HMM. . UM, SO WE HAVE THEM IN, IN ALMOST EVERY PROJECT, AND WE LABEL IT A DOG PARK, BUT IT'S A 540 SQUARE FOOT AREA. AND IT'S REALLY MEANT FOR A RELIEF AREA, LIKE SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE DOGS BELIEVING THEMSELVES ALL OVER THE PROPERTY AND CAUSING SORT OF LIKE A PUBLIC HEALTH HAZARD AND A MAINTENANCE HAZARD. IT'S CONTAINED TO ONE AREA. THE INTENT IS NOT FOR IT TO BE LIKE A DOG RUN THAT YOU WOULD SEE AT A PUBLIC PARK WHERE YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, YARDS AND YARDS FOR THEM TO RUN. UH, I MEAN, DOGS RUN RIGHT. BUT, UM, IT'S A SMALL AREA. UH, AND IT JUST TOOK ME A BIT TO REALIZE THAT THAT MIGHT HAVE GIVEN THE WRONG IMPRESSION OF WHAT THIS AREA IS FOR. UH, THIS WAS BROUGHT UP EARLY, UM, WITH THE FIRST MEETING I HAD PRIVATELY WITH, UH, SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS. WE DID LOOK AT RECONFIGURING THE SITE TO MOVE IT TO ANOTHER LOCATION. AND IN THE END BETWEEN, UM, IT, IT JUST OPERATIONALLY MAKES THE MOST SENSE IN THIS LOCATION, GIVEN THE OTHER CONSTRAINTS WE HAVE TO PROVIDE SPACE FOR CHILDREN TO PLAY. MM-HMM. , UM, AND COMMUNITY AREAS FOR PEOPLE TO BE IN. UM, I, UH, THE CONVERSATION ABOUT RESTRICTED HOURS, IT'S A LITTLE BIT LIKE WE COULD DO THAT AND DOGS HAVE TO PEE WHEN THEY HAVE TO PEE. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT AN OWNER WOULD DO IF AT 10:00 PM AND WE'D SHUT IT DOWN AT NINE AND THEIR DOG HAS TO GO TO THE BATHROOM. WHERE, WHERE WE DO THAT, UM, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT WOULD BE OPERATIONALLY PRACTICAL. UM, THAT BEING SAID, UH, I, I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE ORDINANCES IN PLACE THAT PREVENT, UH, OR AT LEAST GIVE NEIGHBORS RECOURSE FOR NOISE COMPLAINTS. MM-HMM. . UM, AND THOSE WE WOULD BE SUBJECT TO, UH, AND IN THIS CASE A PROPERTY MANAGER WOULD BE THE ONE THAT WOULD LIAISE WITH THE CITY ON A COMPLAINT LIKE THAT. AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO MANAGE THAT WITH A RESIDENT, UH, WHICH WE CAN AND DO, DO. THANK YOU. AND THE CLARIFICATION OF WHAT THE SITE ACTUALLY IS MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE. UH, I'LL JUST SAY PEOPLE HERE, WHEN YOU HEAR DOG PARK OR THINKING VERY ACTIVE, NOISY, LOUD, MM-HMM. , SOME OF OUR DOG PARKS ARE WELL POPULATED INTO A LOT OF ODD HOURS JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE TAKE DIFFERENT TIME. SO THAT'S PART OF IT. UM, BUT I, I ALSO DO CONS WOULD CONSIDER THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT NOISE. THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT ANIMALS JUST BEING KIND OF LEFT OFF LEASH OR SHOWING UP AT OTHER PARTS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, SO JUST HAVING SOME SEMBLANCE OF CLARITY ON WHAT THOSE REGULATIONS OR RULES ARE GONNA LOOK LIKE, I THINK IT WOULD VERY IMPORTANT NOT JUST FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEIR PEACE OF MIND, BUT ALSO JUST SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT THE ACCOUNTABILITY IS. UM, THANK YOU. UH, YES. AND UH, JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS WILL NOT BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. THIS IS ONLY FOR RESIDENTS TO USE. OH, NO, I FIGURED. OKAY. YEAH. UM, AND I'M HAPPY TO PROVIDE, UH, STAFF WITH THE SORT OF TYPICAL RULES THAT WE WOULD HAVE AROUND A DOG AREA ON A PROPERTY. THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. THANK YOU. UH, AND THEN THE ONE OTHER AREA I WANTED TO HIT AND THEN I WILL STOP. UH, WE GOT A QUITE A BIT OF FEEDBACK WITH REGARDS TO WHERE THE REFUSE AND TRASH AREA IS LOCATED ON SITE. I, I'M SURE YOU HAVE GOTTEN A LOT OF FEEDBACK WHERE AS TO WHERE THOSE LOCATED ON SITE. SO I'M NOT TRYING TO, I'M NOT TRYING TO BELABOR THAT POINT, BUT I DO WANT TO ASK, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN JUST SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT TRELLISING THE AREA AND DOING OTHER THINGS TO HIDE IT OR MITIGATE IT. UH, ONE, COULD YOU RUN US THROUGH REALLY QUICK WHY IT IS IN THE LOCATION IT'S IN, WHICH I'M PRETTY SURE IS AN ANSWER. YOU'VE PROBABLY ALREADY GIVEN A LOT. AND THEN OTHER, AND THEN AFTER THAT, WHAT CONSIDERATIONS YOU'VE MADE FOR KIND OF MITIGATING THAT IMPACT, ESPECIALLY FOR NEIGHBORS OF A FEW PEOPLE WHO'VE, IN MY INBOX TODAY, I SAW HER TALK ABOUT THEIR KIDS' BEDROOM'S GONNA BE 50 FEET AWAY SO THAT I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT BEING A CONCERN. KIDS' BEDROOM BEING 50 FEET AWAY FROM THE TRASH ENCLOSURE. YEAH. UH, SO YEAH. WELL, UH, THE PRIMARY REASON THAT THE TRASH ENCLOSURE IS WHERE IT IS, IS BECAUSE WE HAVE TO ALLOW FOR A GARBAGE TRUCK TO COME IN. MM-HMM. PICK UP THE BINS AND THEN BE ABLE TO EXIT THE PROPERTY. SO WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT HAMMERHEAD. AND THERE'S ONLY TWO HAMMERHEADS ON THE PROPERTY. ONE IS FOR FIRE AND ONE IS FOR TRASH. SO, UM, IT'S GOING TO BE SOMEWHERE, THERE'S NO GREAT PLACE FOR TRASH. IT'S ONE OF THOSE UNFORTUNATE NECESSITIES THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH. UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE BECAUSE I, I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT SO I FIND IT HARD TO KIND OF IMAGINE THIS, BUT THE DOG, THE DOG RELIEF AREA, AND THE TRASH ENCLOSURES ARE 17 FEET BELOW GRADE. MM-HMM. . SO YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE THE TRASH ENCLOSURE FROM THE SIDEWALK, LET'S SAY WHEN YOU'RE WALKING DOWN, JACQUELINE, UNLESS YOU WANNA LIKE PEER OVER AND SEE, YOU WON'T, YOU WON'T SEE IT. UM, THE NEIGHBOR, OBVIOUSLY I HAVEN'T BEEN IN THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE TO THE EAST, BUT I WOULDN'T IMAGINE THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO [01:10:01] SEE MUCH OF IT THERE EITHER. IT DOES HAVE TO BE AN ENCLOSURE, SO IT'S SCREENED. UM, AND I DON'T, I MEAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY TALK ABOUT OTHER MEASURES LANDSCAPING WISE TO TRY TO SCREEN IT. UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'VE, WHAT I'VE GOT ON THAT. ALRIGHT. UM, WHAT ARE THE SCREENING EFFORTS GONNA LOOK LIKE RIGHT AS IT STANDS DOWN? I BELIEVE IT'S COVERED, RIGHT? YOU WANNA COME UP WITH LANCE? YEAH. UH, LANCE GRINNELL, SDG ARCHITECTS, UM, ARCHITECT ON THE PROJECT. JUST TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION A LITTLE BIT AND JUST TO KIND OF DOVETAIL ON WHAT, UM, LAUREN WAS SAYING ABOUT THE, UH, POSITION OF THE TRASH ENCLOSURE AND THE DOG RUN BECAUSE OF THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE SITE, THAT PARTICULAR CORNER OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS, IS, IS SORT OF CUT INTO THE HILLSIDE A BIT AND AS LAUREN WAS MENTIONING, IS ABOUT 17 FEET DOWN FROM THE SIDEWALK ELEVATION. SO YOU, AGAIN, YOU WOULD NOT REALLY SEE IT AT ALL. THE TRASH BINS THEMSELVES ARE ALL LITTED, SO YOU'RE NOT EVER SEEING EXPOSED RUBBISH, UM, BY ANY MEANS. AND IT'S THE TRASH ENCLOSURES THEMSELVES ALL ENCLOSED WITH A GATE, WITH A GATE TO ALLOW FOR CLOSURE. SO EVERYTHING'S PRETTY MUCH SELF-CONTAINED. MM-HMM. . UM, AND SO JUST IN THAT, JUST BY ITS POSITION, WE'VE TUCKED IT AWAY SO IT'S NOT ON RAVINA LANE AND NOT PROUD ON JACQUELINE NEAR THE FRONT CORNER, BUT IN THE OPPOSITE AREA. ONE FOR CIRCULATION AND TWO TO KIND OF HIDE IT AWAY FROM EVERYTHING ELSE. UM, SO TO THE PROPERTY OWNER THAT'S ADJACENT TO IT, THEY WOULD BE LOOKING ALMOST PAST IT, UM, BEFORE THEY'D HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SEE IT DOWN. UM, FROM JACQUELINE, OUT OF CURIOSITY, UM, AND I KNOW THIS, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THIS WOULD ENTAIL, BUT, UH, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE IN PLACE TO DEAL WITH POTENTIAL SMELL THAT'S CONSIDERING YEAH, THAT'S ODOR RISES. YEAH. THAT, THAT, THAT RELATES A LOT TO THE ENCLOSURES THEMSELVES. THOSE BINS ARE CLOSED AND SO THAT SHOULD MITIGATE THE SMELL AND SOME ODOR FROM THAT. AND ALSO THE FREQUENCY OF SERVICE. AND SO AGAIN, THIS IS A MANAGED SITE, SO IF THAT BID DOES BECOME AN ISSUE, THERE ARE MECHANISMS IN PLACE. TENANTS OR NEIGHBORS COULD REACH OUT TO MANAGEMENT AND THEY COULD ADDRESS THAT AND, AND LIAISON WITH THE NEIGHBORS OR WITH THE, OR INCREASE THE SERVICE CYCLE FOR THAT SO THAT THERE ISN'T RUBBISH THAT'S STANDING THERE FOR ANY PERIOD OF TIME. GOT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS FOR NOW. THANK YOU CHAIR HOOPER. UM, I JUST HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS 'CAUSE A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE ALREADY BEEN ASKED, BUT, UM, AND ANSWERED. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I JUST KIND OF WANNA MAKE SURE I'M AWARE OF, AS I KNOW IN OUR DOCUMENTS IT SAYS, UM, A LOT, UM, OF OUR DISCRETION, UM, UH, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF DISCRETION OVER THIS PROJECT, UM, BECAUSE OF THE SB THREE 30. SO I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO ASK WHAT UM, DISCRETION DO WE REALLY HAVE TONIGHT THEN WITHOUT, UM, AFFECTING THE DENSITY OR THE FEASIBILITY OF THIS PROJECT? YEAH, THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. I THINK WE COULD, THE DISCRETION THAT YOU HAVE TONIGHT IS MAKING SOME CONDITIONS TO, THAT WOULDN'T REALLY JEOPARDIZE THE AFFORDABILITY OR THE DENSITY OF THE SITE. I THINK THAT'S FAIR TO SAY. ANDREW, MIKE, WOULD YOU DISAGREE OR, OKAY. UM, OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, LET'S SEE. THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO ASK THE APPLICANT WAS, UM, I THOUGHT THAT AN ENTRY ON, ON JACQUELYN TO ME MADE MORE SENSE THAN ON VENA, BUT, UM, YOU PUT THE ENTRY ON VENA. I JUST WAS WONDERING WHAT WENT INTO THAT DECISION. OH, WELL I CAN HAVE OUR CIVIL ENGINEER COME UP AND GIVE YOU THE TECHNICAL ANSWER, BUT IT DOES, IT, IT DOESN'T WORK WITH THE, THE WAY THAT THE SITE IS DEPRESSED. I THINK THE, THE, WHAT'S THE HEIGHT OF THE EXISTING RETAINING WALL? IT'S A SEVEN FEET THAT'S ON ALONG. YEAH. SO THERE'S A SEVEN FOOT RETAINING WALL THERE ALREADY, SO, OH, THE TOPOGRAPHY. SO YES. YEAH. OKAY. YES. YEAH, I DID GO TO THE SITE, BUT I DIDN'T REALIZE HOW YEAH. NOW THAT YOU SAY IT, IT'S PRETTY, YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. MM-HMM. , I GET THAT. YEAH. OKAY. UM, LET'S SEE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A STUPID QUESTION OR NOT, BUT, UM, ARE THERE FIRE HYDRANTS REQUIRED FOR THIS PROJECT? MM-HMM. . YEAH. OKAY. SO, RIGHT. SO I MEAN, HOW MANY, DOES ANYBODY KNOW? IT'S TWO. ALRIGHT. I THINK IT'S TWO. OKAY. I, I THINK THERE IS ONE THAT'S EXISTING. MM-HMM. , IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, WE CAN LOOK IT UP AND GET BACK TO YOU. OKAY, GOOD. SO THAT WILL HELP WITH A FIRE SERVICES. WE'RE MEETING ALL THE REQUIRED. OKAY. MM-HMM. ENGINEERING FOR FIRE SAFETY. YEAH. I, I JUST DIDN'T SEE ANY OF THAT MENTIONED IN THE PROJECT DOCUMENTS [01:15:01] THAT I SAW, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE ABOUT THAT. UM, LET'S SEE. UH, I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU CHAIR, AND THANK YOU TO THE STAFF AND APPLICANT FOR MAKING A PRESENTATION THAT I THINK GIVES A LOT OF CLARITY TO THE PROJECT. AND THANK YOU FOR HEIDI FOR ASKING. THE BIG QUESTION IS WHAT DO WE HAVE DISCRETION TO CHANGE? UM, IN THAT VEIN, I'M ACTUALLY GONNA START WITH SOME QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AND THEN HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AND POTENTIAL IDEAS FOR THE APPLICANT. UM, THE FIRST ONE IS REGARDING CQA. SO AS PART OF THIS PROCESS, WE ARE ALSO SIGNING OFF ON OUR RESOLUTION AN EXEMPTION FROM CQA FOR THE ARGUMENTS MADE IN THE DOCUMENTATION WE'RE GIVEN. I KNOW WE'VE HAD A LOCAL WILDLIFE EXPERT WRITE IN REGARDING BIOLOGICAL ASSESSMENTS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO I WROTE THE QUESTION HERE AS BASIC AS I CAN, WHAT IS OUR BURDEN OF PROOF OR REQUIREMENTS TO MAKE FINDINGS DENYING A SEQ EX EXEMPTION? UH, AND THAT COULD BE AN EXAMPLE OF IF WE SAY THERE'S AN INADEQUATE ASSESSMENT OF IMPACTS ON BIOLOGICAL RESOURCES, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE ARGUMENT THRESHOLD WE NEED TO REACH, UH, REGARDING CE QA? I CAN TAKE A STAB AT THAT. SO FOR CQA AND, UH, SPECIFICALLY THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING EXEMPTION, WHICH THE PLANNING, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL PLANNER USED HERE, THEY GIVE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS TO, UH, THRESHOLDS TO MEET THOSE. AND I MEAN, SOME ARE PRETTY EASY, WHETHER IT'S LESS THAN 50 UNITS, WHETHER IT'S LESS THAN FIVE ACRES. AND, UH, THERE'S DEFINITELY RECORD OR FACTS IN THE RECORD TO PROVE THAT THE OTHER ONE THAT'S A LITTLE MORE, UH, OR NOT AS BLACK AND WHITE AS THOSE ARE, THAT IT IS NOT ON IN A SENSITIVE ENVIRONMENT. UM, SO THERE IS FACTS IN THE RECORD THAT SHOWED WHY IT IS NOT, UH, IN A SORT OF SENSITIVE ENVIRONMENT AND WHY THE PLANNING ENVIRONMENTAL PLANNER WAS ABLE TO MAKE THOSE FINDINGS. UH, SO THE CITY AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THEY HAVE A, IF THERE ARE FACTS IN THE RECORD THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO ALLOW THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS TO MAKE THE FINDINGS FOR WHY, UH, THOSE THRESHOLDS HAVE NOT BEEN MET, UM, AS LONG AS THERE'S SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD TO MAKE THOSE FINDINGS, THE JUDGE REALLY SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO OVERTURN THE CITY THERE. MM-HMM. . AND SO, BUT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE COMPARED TO SOME OF THE OTHER SQL REVIEWS WE'VE HAD, THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE FAIR ARGUMENT TEST THAT WE'VE SEEN BEFORE. CORRECT. BECAUSE THIS IS A STATUTORY EXEMPTION AND NOT A CATEGORICAL EXEMPTION. CATEGORICAL EXEMPTIONS ARE LIKE THE CLASS ONE, CLASS TWO, UH, COMMON SENSE EXEMPTIONS. THOSE A FAIR ARGUMENT WOULD BE ABLE TO DEFEAT THE CITY THERE AND THE CITY WOULD NEED TO DO A NEGATIVE DECLARATION. BUT BECAUSE THIS IS A STATUTORY EXEMPTION, AS LONG AS THERE IS SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD, WHICH IS A PRETTY LOW BAR, IT'S JUST THAT A REASONABLE PERSON COULD, UH, AGREE WITH THIS COMMISSION TO MAKE THOSE FINDINGS. AND THEN WHAT IS OUR LIABILITY AS A CITY FROM POTENTIAL LEGAL ACTION BY THE APPLICANT IF WE DENY THIS CQA EXEMPTION? YEAH. SO, UH, ANY ACTION AGAINST CQA, THE CITY WOULD BE SUBJECT TO ATTORNEY'S FEES. SO THAT'S PROBABLY THE MAIN ONE. UM, I BELIEVE THERE'S ALSO POTENTIALLY, BECAUSE IT'S AN AFFORDABLE PROJECT, UH, MAYBE DAMAGES FOR HOLDING THIS PROJECT UP AND IF THE HOUSING COSTS CONTINUE TO INCREASE TO FOR MATERIALS AND SUPPLIES, WHICH IT'S DEFINITELY BEEN, I THINK THAT COULD BE, UH, ANOTHER CONSEQUENCE AS WELL. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. UH, AND I THINK, UH, BLAKE ACTUALLY ASKED A LOT OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS TO REALLY SET THE FRAMEWORK OF WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH. SO THANK YOU DYLAN AND STAFF. AND I'LL MOVE TO THE APPLICANT. UH, I HEARD YOU SAY IN PURSUING THE CONNECTION FOR THAT PRIVATE AREA OF RAVINA LANE TO PETALUMA BOULEVARD SOUTH, YOU SAID YOU HADN'T REALLY PURSUED IT, YOU DIDN'T THINK IT WAS THE BEST USE. JUST A QUICK QUESTION WHY, BECAUSE IT DOES SEEM LIKE A GOOD ACCESS FOR CIRCULATION AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, BUT WHAT WERE YOUR GUYS', UH, THOUGHTS AROUND THAT? SO IT'S A GRAY AREA AND I, I SPOKE WITH THREE DIFFERENT ATTORNEYS ABOUT IT, AND THEY ALL HAD DIFFERENT OPINIONS, WHICH IS ALWAYS GREAT. UM, THE, THE, THE MAIN CONCERN IS THAT WHEN AN EASEMENT, AND THIS IS MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE LEGAL SITUATION, WHEN AN EASEMENT IS PUT IN PLACE, THERE IS CONSIDERATION MADE TO WHAT EXISTED AT THE TIME THE EASEMENT WAS, WAS CREATED. UM, AND IF YOU THEN CHANGE THE USE, YOU CAN BE AT RISK OF WHAT THEY CALL OVERBURDENING THE EASEMENT. AND THERE'S CASE LAW THAT THAT RULES IN FAVOR OF THE OVERBURDENED. SO IN THIS CASE, THIS WAS, THIS EASEMENT WAS PUT IN PLACE IN 1949 AND IT, I THINK AT THAT TIME WAS A, UM, MOSTLY HORSE PASTURE . SO, UH, IT WAS USED [01:20:01] FOR ACCESS, BUT THERE WASN'T REALLY CONSIDERATION FOR 32 APARTMENT UNITS. AND OUR THOUGHT WAS THAT IT WOULD PROBABLY BE CONSIDERED, UH, OVERBURDENING THE EASEMENT AS IT WAS INTENDED TO BE USED. SO THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE LANDED. THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THAT CONTEXT, ARE YOU AS AN APPLICANT OR APPLICANT TEAM OPEN TO CONTINUED DIALOGUE WITH THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS? WE KNOW THE CITY IS ONE LARGE PROPERTY OWNER THERE. ARE YOU OPEN TO CONTINUED DIALOGUE WITH THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS TO POTENTIALLY, UH, MAKE USE OF THAT EASEMENT ONE DAY? YES. I'M, I SPOKE WITH THEM THIS EVENING BEFORE, OR ONE OF THEM, UM, YES, DEFINITELY OPEN TO IT. UH, ACTUALLY WHEN WE FIRST APPROACHED THE CITY ABOUT THIS PROJECT, WE CAN, WE PR WE, UH, SUBMITTED A PROPOSAL OR A SKETCH FOR USING, UH, THIS SITE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CITY'S SITE SO THAT WE'D HAVE ONE LARGE PROJECT WHICH WOULD HAVE ACCESS RUNNING THROUGH IT TO PETALUMA BOULEVARD SOUTH. AND OUR, OUR TIMING WASN'T GOOD. SO THE CITY WASN'T IN A POSITION TO TAKE ON THAT KIND OF PROJECT, ALTHOUGH I BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS SOME SORT OF GOOD FEELINGS ABOUT THAT POSSIBILITY. UM, THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE WOULD CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY. UM, CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE WOULD, UH, COOPERATE WITH IF THE CITY WANTED TO MAKE THEIR OWN EFFORT AT THAT. UM, AND THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT THE TWO PROPERTIES, UM, ON WHICH THE EASEMENT LIES COULD GO ON THE MARKET. WE'VE DISCUSSED THE POSSIBILITY OF BUYING THOSE AND, AND WIDENING THE ROAD. THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT IT COULD BE DONE. WE'RE CERTAINLY OPEN TO IT. AND A LOT OF IT DEPENDS ON TIMING, YOU KNOW, AND WHO'S, WHO'S READY TO DO WHAT WHEN. YEAH. AND YOU SAID THEY, THEY CLOSED ESCROW THE DAY BEFORE YOU GUYS, SO THERE'S POTENTIALLY SOME THINGS CHANGING THERE. UM, THAT WAS A DIFFERENT PROPERTY, BUT YES, THERE WERE, THAT'S, THAT'S ON JACQUELINE. OH, OKAY. THERE. 74 RAVINA LANE, WHICH IS LIKE RIGHT ACROSS FROM WHERE OUR ENTRANCE EXIT WILL BE, THE NEXT PROPERTY OVER IS THE PROPERTY THAT OWNS THE EASEMENT. OKAY. UNDERSTOOD. BUT THANK YOU FOR, FOR THAT ANSWER AND CLARIFYING THAT PRIVATE DRIVE. UH, AND THEN REGARDING, UH, PAVED SURFACES ON THE SITE, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING WE REQUIRE A MINIMUM OF TIER ONE FOR CALGARY MEASURES, WHICH IS 20% OF TOTAL PAVED AREAS EXCEPT ACCESSIBLE ROUTES, UH, NEEDING TO BE PERMEABLE. AND MAYBE IT'S MY, UH, ILLITERACY WITH THE DRAWINGS. I COULDN'T TELL IF THAT WAS THE CASE. I SAW THE STORMWATER PLAN TO ROUTE, UH, IMPERMEABLE SURFACES TO GET WATER OFF THE SITE, UM, EFFICIENTLY. BUT CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT, ANY PERMEABLE PAVING AND THE, AND THOSE STANDARDS? I'M GONNA ASK AJ TO COME UP AND TALK ABOUT THAT. 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW THE PERCENTAGES TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION. AJ WHITAKER WITH ATLAS CIVIL DESIGN CIVIL ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT. UM, THE SIMPLE ANSWER IS NO. THERE IS NO PERMEABLE PAVING PROPOSED ON THIS. WE HAVE, UH, WE WERE ABLE TO MEET THE, UH, STORMWATER QUALITY REQUIREMENTS OF THE REGION, UM, THROUGH THE USE OF A PROPRIETARY, UH, STORMWATER FILTRATION SYSTEM. AND, UH, AND, UM, AND IT'S LOCATED IN THE CENTRAL PORTION OF THE SITE. UM, THIS IS A TIGHT SITE. THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, VEHICLE TURNING MOVEMENTS HAPPENING HERE. UH, IN MY EXPERIENCE, PERMEABLE PAVING DOESN'T LEND ITSELF TO THOSE TURNING MOVEMENTS IDEALLY. SO, UH, THERE IS NOTHING PROPOSED AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND THEN I GUESS TO STAFF, ARE CALGARY GREEN MEASURES THAT TIER ONE CAL GREEN, THIS IS SOMETHING I'M PICKING UP FROM PREVIOUS PROJECTS, IS THAT AN OBJECTIVE MEASURE THEY HAVE TO COMPORT WITH? IS THIS SOMETHING COVERED IN WAIVERS OR CONCESSIONS OR, WELL, IT'S A, IT'S AN OBJECTIVE MEASURE, BUT IT'S A REQUIREMENT OF THE BUILDING PERMIT. SO COMPLIANCE WITH CAL GREEN IS, IS REVIEWED DURING, UH, BUILDING PERMIT TIME. OKAY, UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. SURE. UH, AND I GUESS, YEAH, I'LL SAVE THAT FOR COMMENTARY. UH, YOU KNOW, IN DRIVING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, MOVING TO THE ACTUAL STRUCTURAL DESIGN, MATERIALITY, THINGS LIKE THAT AND DRIVING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, I NOTICED THAT THERE ARE BUILDINGS THERE THAT HAVE SOME KIND OF ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS LIKE BAYS, OVERHANGS, YOU KNOW, STONE AND TEXTURING, ESPECIALLY AROUND ENTRY AREAS, AROUND FIRST FLOORS. UM, YOU KNOW, IN THAT VEIN, I'M WONDERING, HAVE YOU GUYS CONSIDERED ANY CHANGES LIKE THAT MAYBE AROUND CENTRAL ENTRYWAY POINTS, YOU KNOW, FOCUSING SOME DIFFERENT MATERIALITY AROUND A CENTRAL ENTRYWAY FOR DESIGN OR MAYBE EVEN A DIFFERENT COLORATION TONE, THE VERTICAL VERSUS THE HORIZONTAL FIBER CEMENT BOARD. HAS ANYTHING LIKE THAT BEEN PUT INTO PLANS? OR MAYBE YOU CAN SPEAK TO BUDGET CONSTRAINTS OR SOMETHING WITH, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC FUND REQUIREMENTS FOR THE BUILDING? UM, GREAT. FROM A PUBLIC FUNDS REQUIREMENT PERSPECTIVE, THERE, THERE ISN'T MUCH AROUND THE COLORING OR DECORATIVE ELEMENTS OF THE, OF THE BUILDINGS. UM, AND I CAN, LANCE CAN COME UP AND, UM, TELL YOU A BIT ABOUT THE DESIGN. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. UM, IN DESIGNING THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES, THE FIRST THING WE DID IS WE LOOKED AT THE CONTEXT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IT'S GONNA BE SITTING IN. AND WHAT WE FOUND, IT WAS A COMBINATION [01:25:01] OF THREE DIFFERENT MATERIALS, VERTICAL SIDING, HORIZONTAL SIDING AND PLASTER OR STUCCO, UM, THAT WAS PREVALENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS SURROUNDING THE SITE. SO THOSE ARE THE THREE MAIN COMPONENTS THAT WE WANTED TO USE FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL PERSPECTIVE. WE SAW A LOT OF GABLE AND TREATMENTS, A LOT OF, UH, FARMHOUSE STYLES AND CRAFTSMAN STYLES, UH, PERMEATING THE SITE. SO WE USE THOSE AS INFLUENCE TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS SITE, UM, HAD AN ARCHITECTURE THAT WAS CONTEXTUAL IN, ITS, IN ITS, UH, ARTICULATION IN ITS ARCHITECTURAL STYLE. IN TERMS OF THE ENHANCEMENTS OF THE, UM, ENTRY POINTS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THERE ARE MULTIPLE ENTRY POINTS BECAUSE THERE'S 32 DOORS IN THE SITE. UM, AND A LOT OF THOSE ARE INTERNAL TO THE SITE. UM, THERE'S ONE MAIN AREA FOR THE LEASING OFFICE, AND THEN THERE'S A MAIL ROOM AND THEN A GYM AND ALL OF THOSE, UM, THOSE ARE ALL PROUD. AND SO THOSE ARE ALL POSITIONED RIGHT ON VENA LANE, UM, ON THE CORNER. SO THOSE ARE THE MOST PROMINENT, MOST PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE ONES FOR THE PUBLIC USE. UM, THE DOORS THEMSELVES ALL ARE AKIN TO VERY MUCH WHAT YOU SEE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND THEMSELVES. THERE'S NOT TOO MUCH CELEBRATION OF THE MAIN ENTRIES AND A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARCHITECTURE THAT WE SAW. AND SO WE WANTED TO KEEP THAT STYLE KIND OF PERMEATING THROUGH THE ARCHITECTURE THAT WE DESIGNED. THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND THEN WHILE YOU'RE UP AT THE DAAS OR UP AT THE, UH, PODIUM, I COULDN'T TELL IF THE, FROM THE DRAWING, IF THE WINDOWS WERE RECESSED AND THEN JUST WINDOW MATERIAL. YEAH, SO THE WINDOWS ARE FLUSHED WITH THE WALL PLANE. THERE ARE, THERE ARE TRIM THAT GOES AROUND IT, AND DEPENDING ON IF IT'S STUCCO OR SIDING, THEY'LL EITHER BE A STUCCO, UM, MATERIAL AROUND IT AS A TRIM OR A HARDY BOARD MATERIAL AROUND IT, DEPENDING ON WHICH MATERIAL THAT IT'S ADJACENT TO. OKAY, GREAT. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER ONE, JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, UH, THE INTERIOR UNITS. SO, UM, I WAS LOOKING AT BUILDING TYPE A, UH, THE SECOND FLOORS, SOME OF THOSE INTERIOR SPACES JUST SPEAK TO, YOU KNOW, LIGHT AND CROSS VENTILATION IN THOSE SPACES. 'CAUSE WHEN I SAW THEM, I THOUGHT, I WANNA MAKE SURE PEOPLE LIVING HERE GET ENOUGH LIGHT, THEY GET CROSS VENTILATION. YOU KNOW, I'VE SOMETIMES YOU SEE THIS DONE WITH SKYLIGHTS ON AREAS LIKE THIS, WHICH MIGHT NOT BE VIABLE, BUT CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT IN THE UNITS? SURE. UM, THE, THE, THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES ARE FAIRLY COMPACT IN TERMS OF APARTMENT BUILDINGS PER SE. UM, SO THE LIGHT THROWS FROM THE INTERIOR COURTYARDS ARE FAIRLY SHORT, WHICH MEANS IT'S A FAIRLY BRIGHT INTERIOR COURTYARD JUST FROM NATURAL LIGHT. THE IDEA IS TO HAVE TO SUPPLEMENT THAT WITH LIGHTING IN THOSE HALLWAYS SO THAT THERE ARE NO DARK HALLWAYS. AND THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY FOR SAFETY CONCERNS AND FOR ACCESSIBILITY REASONS. UM, THE, THE BREEZEWAYS ALLOW FOR THAT FLOW, THAT AIR FLOW AND THAT CIRCULATION. SO THERE'S A LOT OF THAT GOING THROUGH THE SITE. SO COMING, UM, EAST TO WEST WHERE THE PREVAILING WINDS ARE, ARE DOMINANT, THE, THE AIRFLOW WILL BE NICE AND TEMPERATE THROUGHOUT MOST OF THE YEAR. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. UH, AND THEN I THINK MOVING TO FENCING AND RETAINING WALLS, UH, WHICH IS A BIG ONE. UH, SIMILAR CONCERN REGARDING LIGHT FOR PEOPLE, FOR RESIDENTS OF THE PROPERTY. UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF EXCAVATION ON THE SOUTH PROPERTY LINE AND KIND OF THE SOUTHEASTERLY PROPERTY LINES REALLY. UM, YOU KNOW, BUILDING B FIRST FLOORS, SOME OF THE OTHER FIRST FLOOR RESIDENTS IN THOSE AREAS, WERE GONNA BE SIGNIFICANTLY BELOW GRADE. RIGHT. HAS THERE BEEN ANY THOUGHT TO MAYBE A FENCING MATERIAL THAT WOULD ALLOW MORE LIGHT IN? OR HOW ARE YOU GUYS ADDRESSING THAT SO IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, TOO DARK FOR USERS ON THOSE FIRST FLOORS? YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. AND WE WORK WITH PLANNING STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE CREATED ENOUGH LIGHT AND LEFT AREA, ENOUGH BREADTH BETWEEN THE BUILDING EDGE AND THE, AND THE RETAINING WALL TO ALLOW THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF LIGHT THAT WAS IN THERE. SO WE WENT FROM 8.5 FEET TO 10 FEET, UM, JUST IN OUR MOST RECENT, UH, REVISION TO THAT SITE ALONG JACQUELINE, WHICH IS THE AREA THAT HAS KIND OF THAT, THAT TIERED RETAINING WALL. SO WE'RE VERY SENSITIVE TO THAT, AND THAT'S WHY WE TIERED THE RETAINING WALL AS WELL, TO KIND OF OPEN IT UP A LITTLE BIT SO IT ISN'T ONE LONG WALL WITH A BIG KIND OF DEPRESSION IN THERE, IT'S TIERED UP, SO YOU'RE ALLOWING THAT ANGLE OF REFLECTION IN THERE TO ALLOW MORE LIGHT. SO WE WERE VERY COGNIZANT OF THAT LOOK GOING IN. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. WELCOME. AND THEN, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR YOU OR NOT, BUT I WAS GONNA MOVE INTO TREES AND LANDSCAPING. I'LL GIVE IT A SHOT, IF NOT, WE'LL, WE CAN T WE CAN TAG IT. WE'LL, WE CAN TAG IT. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL, WE'LL BE ABLE TO TACKLE IT TOGETHER. UH, SO I NOTICED THAT THERE'S A LOT, UH, THERE'S RED OAK, UM, PROPOSED ON THE SITE. WAS THERE A REASON TO DO THAT RATHER THAN LIKE QU AGRI FOLIA OR, UH, LODA, THE VALLEY OAK OR THE LIVE OAK, UH, RED OAK GENERALLY HAS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER WATER USAGE AND IS NOT NATIVE TO THIS AREA. WAS THERE ANY THOUGHT, UH, OR JUST WALK ME THROUGH THAT DECISION. ARE YOU OPEN TO ANOTHER SPECIES? OOH, THAT WOULD DEFINITELY BE A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT QUESTION. UM, I, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER [01:30:01] TO THAT ONE. I DUNNO IF ONE OF UNDERSTAND WELL, I'LL, I'LL GIVE YOU TWO THINGS. SO FIRST, YES, DEFINITELY OPEN TO CHANGING SPECIES. UM, LANDSCAPE IS ONE OF THE EASIEST THINGS TO CHANGE PAST THIS POINT. AND, UM, WE'RE DEFINITELY OPEN, UM, TO DISCUSSING THAT THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT USED A PLANT LIST FROM MARIN COUNTY, UM, THAT WAS FIRE, SAFE WATER, UM, WATER, I FORGET WHAT THE DROUGHT TOLERANT, UH, PLANTS. SO THAT'S WHERE MOST OF THE SPECIES CAME FROM. AND, YOU KNOW, DEFINITELY OPEN IF THERE'S SUGGESTIONS TO BE MADE. YEAH. OKAY. MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF IF WE HAVE IDEAS OR THOUGHTS ON THE PLANTING PLAN, BUT WE OBVIOUSLY WANT THEIR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT TO KIND OF FILTER THOSE. WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO ENTER THAT INTO THIS PROCEEDING? YOU COULD, UH, YOU COULD HAVE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT WOULD RECOMMEND EVALUATING CERTAIN SPECIES, UM, FOR INCLUSION IN THE PLANTING PLAN. TERRIFIC. THANK YOU. BECAUSE I WAS GONNA SAY THE RIGHT, AND THEN I WOULD GO AHEAD AND HAVE THAT BE SUBJECT TO, UM, PLANNING REVIEW AND APPROVAL. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT, BECAUSE LIKEWISE, I WAS GONNA ASK THE SAME QUESTION ABOUT, THERE'S EASTERN RED BUD ON THE SITE INSTEAD OF WESTERN RED BUD, WHICH IS ACTUALLY A LOWER WATER USE AND A NATIVE SPECIES. UH, SO I WILL MAKE THAT COMMENTARY WHEN IT'S TIME TO TALK CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. BUT JUST AGAIN, ON TREES. UM, COMMISSIONER MCLA BROUGHT UP THE REC THE OBJECTIVE REQUIREMENT OF THOSE TREES PER 500 SQUARE FOOTAGE. UH, AND I KNOW THAT WE ARE FOUR TREES SHORT ON ATTACHMENT TO PAGE NINE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WAIVERS AND CONCESSIONS. I DIDN'T SEE A STATEMENT THERE. IT'S THE FINAL ITEM ON WHY ADDITIONAL TREES RESULTED IN ADDITIONAL COSTS OR PREVENTED DEVELOPMENT OF UNITS. UM, MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING THERE, STAFF THAT I'M MISREADING OR MAYBE THE APPLICANT CAN COMMENT ON THE IMPACTS, UH, THAT HAS THAT WE'RE ASKING THE CONCESSION FROM THAT, UH, OBJECTIVE STANDARD. YOU, I'M HAPPY TO, UH, UH, PAGE NINE IS PART OF THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST, SO I WOULD DEFER TO THEM, ALTHOUGH I WOULD, UM, I WOULD, YOU KNOW, VENTURE THAT IT HAS TO DO MORE SO WITH A PHYSICAL CONSTRAINT IN THIS WAIVER REQUEST THAN A IDENTIFIABLE COST REDUCTION. YEAH, I MEAN, IT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE A BIG PUZZLE, RIGHT? YOU'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO YOU MEET A DA REQUIREMENTS AND THEN CAL GREEN TIER ONE, AND THERE'S, UH, THEY, THE REGULATIONS JUST KEEP GETTING MORE AND MORE TIGHT. SO LANDSCAPE IS REALLY CHALLENGED BY THAT. UM, WE PUT IN AS MANY, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THE WHOLE THING COVERED IN TREES. THAT'S WHERE I WOULD WANNA LIVE. UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAVE TO HAVE PARKING AND WE HAVE TO HAVE 80 ACCESSIBLE ROUTE SOMEBODY CAN ACCESS ON A WHEELCHAIR. SO WE HAVE TO HAVE PAVING, YOU KNOW, SO WE WE'RE JUST LIMITED BY THE AMOUNT OF SPACE TO PUT IN TREES. AND THEN YOU START TO GET INTO THE QUESTION OF, OKAY, DO WE LOB OFF PART OF THE BUILDING AND PLANT TREES? AND THAT BECOMES A FEASIBILITY PROBLEM. UM, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S ALWAYS SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THIS IS LANGUAGE WE ADD INTO THE CONDITION THAT YOU WERE JUST, UM, DISCUSSING WITH ANDREW, UM, THAT IF THERE IS MORE SPACE, ADD MORE TREES, UM, WHICH WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO. AND AGAIN, UM, THOSE STREET TREES ALONG THE FRONTAGE CAN BE ASSESSED AGAIN AS WE GET CLOSER TO CONSTRUCTION. AND TO DETERMINE LIKE IS IF WE WERE TO REMOVE THEM, COULD WE ACTUALLY PUT IN MORE TREES JUST BASED ON HOW THOSE ARE PLANTED AND WHAT SPECIES THEY ARE. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS OUTSIDE OF MY WHEELHOUSE, BUT WE'RE DEFINITELY OPEN TO CONSIDERING. OKAY. THANK, THANK YOU FOR THAT. MAYBE THERE IS SOME GENERAL CONDITION OF APPROVAL WE CAN HAVE TO EVALUATE THE POTENTIAL TO ADD THOSE FOUR TREES IN. UH, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT OF POTENTIAL SPACES NEAR THE DOG RELIEF AREA, NEAR, I MEAN, BASICALLY SPACES YOU SEE ON THAT LANDSCAPE MAP THAT AREN'T CURRENTLY COVERED, IF THERE'S SOME RIGHT FIT THAT WE CAN MAKE THERE. SO THANK YOU FOR BEING, UH, OPEN TO THAT. UM, AND VICE CHAIR, ONE POINT ON THAT TOO, ADDITIONALLY, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE DEFENSIBLE, UM, WHAT THE, THE, THE DEFENSIBLE SPACE, SO OF THE DEFENSIBLE SPACE PLAN YEAH. FOR WWE COMPLIANCE, UM, PART OF THE LANDSCAPING WOULD NEED TO BE, UH, MEET DEFENSIBLE SPACE, UH, THAT'S ACCEPTED BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. UM, SO YOU WOULD START TO RUN INTO POTENTIAL, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF YOU PLANT TOO MUCH, UM, YOU, YOU WOULD HAVE SOME CONFLICTS WITH PROVIDING DEFENSIBLE SPACE, RIGHT? SO WE, WHAT WE START TO SEE IS THROUGH, ESPECIALLY ON THIS SITE, THROUGH, THROUGH THE SITE REQUIREMENTS AS MENTIONED BY THE APPLICANT, BUT THEN ALSO THE GOAL OF ACHIEVING A, A FIRE RESISTANT, FIRE SAFE PROJECT. WE START TO, TO SHRINK THAT SPACE WHERE THAT CAN HAPPEN. BUT, BUT CERTAINLY WE CAN EXPLORE OPTIONS AND, AND HIT IT AGAIN. I WAS GONNA SAY, MY BROAD CONDITION OF APPROVAL MAY BE BURIED IN QUALIFICATIONS, BUT, UM, YEAH, AGAIN, I, I APPRECIATE THAT AND I APPRECIATE THAT THAT CONSTRAINT THAT YOU LAID OUT THERE. UM, YOU KNOW, IN THOSE TWO PLAY AREAS, UH, IS SYN, IS SYNTHETIC TURF BEING USED, UH, ARTIFICIAL TURF, THAT'S [01:35:01] THE PLAN, RIGHT? IT'S A TURF, YEAH. TURF, YEAH. OKAY. UM, AND THEN THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE RESOLUTION ITSELF. SO THIS IS ATTACHMENT ONE, PAGE 12. UH, IN THE RESOLUTION THERE'S KIND OF AN AREA IT DISCUSSES THE CONCE OR CONCESSION FOR ALL ELECTRIC REQUIREMENTS. MAYBE THAT'S THE WAIVER. UM, IN THERE IT'S EXPLICATED AND I READ THE EXPLANATION THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD AGREE TO DO ELECTRIC STOVES BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE PRIMARY BENEFITS THAT RESIDENTS WILL GET VERSUS POTENTIALLY INCREASED COSTS VERSUS OTHER ALL ELECTRIC APPLIANCES. BUT I NOTICE IN THE RESOLUTION THERE'S KIND OF AN OUT THERE TO NOT USE ELECTRIC STOVES. UM, IS THAT ANYTHING WE CAN MODIFY OR IS THERE ANYTHING THAT, UH, EFFECT ON EITHER CONSTRUCTION OF UNITS OR COSTS FOR BUILDING OR THE RESIDENCE? YOU SAW IN THE, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT THERE'S AN OPTION NOT TO USE ELECTRIC YEAH. OR MIXED FUEL, I BELIEVE IT SAYS. SO LET ME GO TO PAGE 12 BEFORE I, I HAVE THIS LONG LIST OF NOTES AND OF COURSE I LOSE MY CONTEXT, BUT ON PAGE 12, IT'S RIGHT AT THE TOP. ITEM 16, ALL KITCHEN RANGES SHALL BE ELECTRIC AS DESCRIBED. A REQUEST TO MODIFY THIS CHARACTERISTIC TO INSTALL MIXED FUEL RANGES IS SUBJECT TO RE REVIEW AND APPROVAL. UH, MAYBE STAFF CAN JUST CLARIFY THAT BOILER PLATE WE NEED IN THERE, OR IS THERE ANY CHANGE POSSIBLE? WELL, THIS WAS RESPONDING TO DISCUSSION ABOUT THE REQUEST FOR CONCESSION FROM THE ALL ELECTRIC ORDINANCE. AND SO OUR GOAL IS IS, UM, WHILE, WHILE WE DON'T FIND THAT, THAT WE, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DENY THAT REQUEST TO TAKE ON THE BURDEN OF DENYING THAT REQUEST, WE DO WANT TO ENCOURAGE AND ENSURE, UH, TO THE GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE THAT THE PROJECT DOES MAXIMIZE, UM, USE OF ELECTRICITY AS A PERFU PREFERRED FUEL SOURCE. AND SO THIS CONDITION, UM, THE APPLICANT HAD INDICATED THAT THEY WOULD, UH, USE ELECTRIC KITCHEN RANGES, AND THEY DO THAT PRIMARILY FOR, FOR SAFETY REASONS FOR THE RESIDENTS. AND SO WE JUST WANTED TO, UM, DOCUMENT AND ENSURE THAT THAT ELECTRIC RANGES ARE USED BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE FACTORS THAT WE DID CONSIDER. BUT IS THAT, AM I READING THAT SECOND SENTENCE CORRECTLY? IS IT'S KIND OF AN OUT, IF THERE'S SOME ISSUE WITH FEASIBILITY THAT COULD BE APPROVED BY THE BUILDING OFFICIAL, RIGHT? UM, THERE, I, I WOULDN'T CALL IT, YEAH, I DON'T MEAN TO BE. SO AS THAT IT'S IN THERE, IT'S IN THERE FOR, FOR ASSURANCE. UM, IF, IF FOR SOME REASON THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO NOT BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE THAT GOAL, AND, AND AS YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT'S ALMOST WE HAVE TO WALK SOME KIND OF LINE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT DENYING POTENTIAL WAIVERS OR CONCESSIONS. UM, SO, OKAY. CORRECT. UNDERSTOOD. UH, THOSE ARE FOR NOW ALL OF MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. GREAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, FORTUNATELY FOR ALL, A LOT OF QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED. UH, SO THANK YOU FOR MY, UH, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. UM, I DID HAVE A QUESTION, UM, JUST, UM, KIND OF BRANCHING OFF OF, UH, DARREN'S QUESTION ABOUT THE FLEX FUEL. I DID NOTICE THAT, UH, IN THE FUEL ALL ELECTRIC WAIVER, UM, THERE WAS ACCOUNTING FOR, UM, THE CENTRAL WATER HEATER AS MIXED FUEL. AND I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD ADDRESS THAT. UM, I IMAGINE THE NATURAL GAS AND WHAT WOULD BE THE OTHER FUEL? UH, WELL, IT'S USUALLY A MIX OF NATURAL GAS AND ELECTRICITY. OKAY. YEAH. UM, AND THE, THERE'S TWO REASONS FOR THIS. ONE IS THAT SONOMA COUNTY, FOR WHATEVER REASON THAT I DO NOT KNOW, HAS ONE OF THE HIGHEST UTILITY ALLOWANCES FOR ELECTRIC POWER SOURCES OF ALL THE COUNTIES THAT I'VE WORKED IN. UM, SO WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO WITH THIS CONCESSION IS TO PRESERVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE THE BEST CHOICE WE CAN AS WE GET CLOSER TO THE PROJECT CONSTRUCTION, BOTH FOR THE COST OF THE PROJECT, 'CAUSE THERE'S COST OF THE EQUIPMENT ITSELF TO PUT IN AND MAINTENANCE LONG-TERM MAINTENANCE. BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO THE PASS THROUGH COST TO THE RESIDENTS OF THEM HAVING TO ACTUALLY PAY THE UTILITY. MM-HMM. . AND WHEN THEY'RE NOT GIVEN A CHOICE, THEY'RE FORCED TO PAY A REALLY, REALLY HIGH UTILITY. UM, WHICH I MEAN, WE ALL LIVE HERE, SO I PAY IT EVERY MONTH, . UM, SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO PRESERVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GIVING THE RESIDENTS THE BEST PLACE TO LIVE. UM, AND THEN THERE'S A CONDITION IN THERE, 42, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NUMBER THAT, UM, UM, REQUIRES US TO REPORT BACK TO THE CITY, UM, EVERY FIVE YEARS, WHETHER IT'S FEASIBLE TO CONVERT. SO THE, THE BUILDINGS ARE BEING SET UP TO ALLOW TO BE ALL ELECTRIC. MM-HMM. . UM, AND THEN WE'LL JUST KEEP MAKING THE ASSESSMENT. I MEAN, THIS IS A RAPIDLY CHANGING SITUATION GOING TOWARDS ALL [01:40:01] ELECTRIC. AND WHILE THESE ORDINANCES ARE BEING PUT IN PLACE ALL ACROSS THE STATE, I MEAN, WE SEE THIS IN A LOT OF JURISDICTIONS, THE REST OF THE INDUSTRY HAS TO CATCH UP. MM-HMM. , UH, NOT TO MENTION PG E . UM, SO WE ARE JUST KIND OF BALANCING ALL THE DIFFERENT PARTS. GOT IT. GOT IT. OKAY. YEP. YEAH. UM, AND THEN, UH, SAME WITH THE, UM, WITH THE ROOFTOP UNITS. MM-HMM. . UM, AND THANK YOU FOR, FOR CLARIFYING ABOUT HOW THE RESIDENTS ARE BILLED. 'CAUSE I WAS GONNA ASK THAT QUESTION. SO I, I THINK THAT CLARIFIES IT FOR THE ROOFTOP HEAT PUMPS. UM, I ALSO NOTICED THOSE REFLECT FUEL AS WELL. UM, GONNA ASK LANCE TO RESPOND TO THAT. SO, UH, QUESTIONS, SAME IN TERMS OF HOW THOSE ARE, UM, CHARGED TO THE RESIDENT AND THEREFORE THE IMPACT OF AFFORDABILITY. IS, IS, IS THERE A DEDICATED AC UNIT PER, UM, PER HOUSING UNIT, OR, OR HOW DOES THAT, HOW IS THAT ALLOCATED? THESE ARE ROOFTOP UNITS. YES. THE AC UNITS. YEAH. GO BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA ASK, THEY'RE GONNA ASK ABOUT MIXED FUEL. SO THE, UM, THE ROOFTOP UNITS ARE THE, BASICALLY THE AC UNITS, SO THAT'S GONNA TIE INTO THEIR UTILITY COSTS FOR HEATING AND COOLING. RIGHT. OKAY. SO, UM, ONE JUST FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL STANDPOINT, THEY'RE ON THE PARA PITTS, THEY'RE SCREENED, SO THERE'S NO PUBLIC VIEW OF THEM. SOUND GOES UP, SO THERE'S NO SOUND ISSUES. BUT FROM A, FROM A FUEL STANDPOINT, AGAIN, WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE, AS WE GET CLOSER TO THE CONSTRUCTION, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO, TO DECIDE WHICH FUEL MAKES THE MOST SENSE AND WHICH THE DOWN CARRY COST TO THE END, END USER TO THE TENANT. AND SO WE WANT TO KEEP THAT FLEXIBILITY OPEN AND AGAIN, GIVEN THE PROVISION AND THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL 42, WHICH I THINK IS, WE CAN REASSESS THAT EVERY FEW YEARS AND DECIDE TO MOVE TO ELECTRIC OR NOT. SO. OKAY. WAS YOUR QUESTION ABOUT HOW THE TENANTS ARE CHARGED FOR IT? UM, 'CAUSE THAT A GOOD QUESTION. SO, SO THE USAGE OF THE AC UNITS MM-HMM. , ARE THOSE AC UNITS DEDICATED PER UNIT SUCH THAT THE COST OF OPERATION OF THOSE UNITS IS EITHER PASSED THROUGH OR NOT TO THE EXTENT THAT BY, BY THEIR SPECIFIC USE, YOU MEAN? EXACTLY. I DON'T KNOW ACTUALLY. DO YOU KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT? YEAH. SO THE AC UNITS ARE USED PER UNIT, SO THERE'LL BE 33 PROBABLY. OKAY. OR MAYBE EVEN 34, DEPENDING ON THE COMMON ONES THAT WE'LL HAVE FOR THE OFFICES AND THE GYM AND, AND SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS TOO. SO THERE'LL BE COMMON AND ONES TO THE UNIT. SO EACH ONE WILL HAVE THEIR OWN THERMOSTAT AND THEN MEET IT ACCORDINGLY. OKAY. OKAY. GREAT. THANKS FOR CLARIFYING THAT. AND THEN, UM, FOR THOSE UNITS, REGARDLESS WHETHER THEY'RE ALL ELECTRIC OR FLEX FUEL, THEY WILL CONFORM TO STATE AND FEDERAL EFFICIENCY STANDARDS? YES, CORRECT. OKAY, GREAT. UM, POINT REGARDING EV CHARGING, I NOTICED THAT THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, A A A COMMITMENT TO PROVIDE EV CHARGING, AND I KNOW THAT IS A, A SUBJECT OF CAL GREEN AT THE BUILDING PERMIT LEVEL, BUT DO YOU HAVE A, UM, SPECULATION RIGHT NOW ABOUT HOW MANY, UM, OR WHAT PERCENTAGE OF, OF THOSE PARKING SPACES WILL HAVE EV CHARGERS? YEAH. THAT, THAT'S IN THE PLANS. UM, THERE'S A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE WE HAVE TO, UM, PROVIDE THAT IS, HAS EV CHARGERS AND THEN THAT HAVE TO BE READY. IS THERE ANOTHER DISTINCTION? A THIRD ONE? UM, THEY HAVE TO BE EV READY AND BY USE, SO HANDICAP ACCESSIBLE ONES AND BY USE ONES ALSO. SO WE'RE MEETING ALL THE STATE REQUIREMENTS FOR THEM. GOT IT. OKAY. FINE. UM, LAST, JUST IN GENERAL, UM, CAN YOU SPEAK TO YOUR EXPERIENCE IN THE, UM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UM, INDUSTRY? I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T SEE ANY BROADER STATEMENT OF THE BACKGROUND OF THE, YOUR ORGANIZATION. OH, THE PACIFIC COMPANIES? YEAH. OH, I'M SORRY. YEAH, I COULD DO THAT. . THANK YOU. UM, SO THE PACIFIC COMPANIES IS A VERTICALLY INTEGRATED COMPANY. THEY'RE BASED OUT OF BOISE, IDAHO. UM, THEY DEVELOP ALL OVER THE WESTERN US PRIMARILY IN CALIFORNIA. AND THEY'RE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPERS SPECIALIZING IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING. OKAY. THEY'VE GOT UPWARDS OF 250, UH, DEVELOPMENTS. UM, IN THE US THEY WERE RANKED THE TOP AFFORDABLE DEVELOPER IN THE NATION IN 2022, UM, BY VOLUME. AND, UM, WE HAVE UPWARDS OF 22,000 UNITS AND I THINK ABOUT 5,000 MORE THAT ARE, UM, SLATED FOR DEVELOPMENT IN THE NEXT YEAR OR SO. UM, THEY'VE BEEN IN OPERATION FOR 25 YEARS NOW. THEIR EXECUTIVE TEAM HAS BEEN WITH THE COMPANY ALMOST THAT LONG. IT'S VERY, UM, VERY SEASONED TEAM. UH, AND THEY HAVE, THEY'RE INTEGRATED FROM ACQUISITION, UH, DESIGN THROUGH, UM, FINANCING CONSTRUCTION AND ASSET MANAGEMENT. UM, SO VERY, UM, VERY WELL INTEGRATED IS WHAT I WOULD SAY FOR, UM, EFFICIENCY. YEAH. YEAH. AND CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE DEMAND FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING RIGHT NOW IN SONOMA COUNTY? JUST GENERALLY? YEAH. WELL, SO THE SONOMA COUNTY, UM, THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT THAT'S MEASURED. THE EASIEST WAY IS THE SECTION EIGHT WAITING LIST, BECAUSE WE HAVE A LIST [01:45:01] OF PEOPLE AND THAT'S BEEN CLOSED FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. I DON'T KNOW, UM, IF IT REOPENED AT ALL RECENTLY, YOU MIGHT KNOW THAT. NO, I DON'T THINK THAT IT HAS. THAT JUST SPEAKS TO DEMAND AND ALSO THE LACK OF SUPPLY, RIGHT. BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T MOVING OFF THAT LIST TO REOPEN IT FOR. UM, IT'S A, A, YOU KNOW, THE NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IT'S REALLY MORE LIKE A NEED FOR ALL HOUSING BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH PRESSURE ON THE MARKET. ANY HOUSING THAT WE ADD HELPS RELIEVE SOME OF THAT PRESSURE. UM, I MEAN, I THINK YOU PROBABLY ALL READ THE NEWS JUST LIKE I DO. THIS MASS EXODUS FROM CALIFORNIA BECAUSE OF COST OF LIVING IS SO HIGH. UM, SONOMA COUNTY IS DEFINITELY, UM, A HIGHER COST PLACED TO LIVE. UM, AND AS YOU CAN TELL FROM THE MEDIAN INCOME, UH, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT LOW. I MEAN, THE LOW INCOME THRESHOLD IS QUITE HIGH. MM-HMM. . UM, AND, UH, THE MEDIAN INCOMES HERE CAN'T AFFORD TO BUY HOMES ON MUCH LESS RENT. UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER DATA THAN THAT. IT'S, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST LIKE A FLOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, IT'S LIKE THERE'S NO WAY TO STOP THE BLEEDING IN A WAY. IT'S JUST LIKE YOU JUST HAVE TO ADD MORE HOUSING. GOT WE, HERE'S AN EXAMPLE. NOT IN THIS COUNTY, BUT IN A COUNTY OVER, WE OPENED A, I THINK IT WAS ABOUT 200 UNIT PROJECT AND WE HAD 20,000 APPLICANTS FROM ALL OVER. IT'S OKAY. PRETTY INCREDIBLE. NOW THAT, THAT'S HELPFUL CONTEXT. YEAH. UM, THANK YOU. AND JUST REPEATING WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER, UM, JUST TO MAKE SURE I HAVE IT RIGHT, UM, THOSE DEEDS ARE FOR 55 YEARS, CORRECT? THAT'S ON THE COMPLEX OVERALL. YES. AND YOU SAID THE REQUIREMENT FOR 10 YEAR IS THAT FOR INDIVIDUAL OWNERSHIP, THAT'S A STATE TAX CREDIT. UM, LAW, THE, THE OWNER DEVELOPER OF THE PROPERTY HAS TO MAINTAIN OWNERSHIP OF IT FOR I SEE AT LEAST 10 YEARS. AND THERE'S A REALLY COMPLEX TAX CODE THAT BETWEEN 10 AND 15 YEARS YOU, YOU CAN SELL IT, BUT IT'S A LITTLE BIT COMPLICATED NOT A CPA. SO. UNDERSTOOD. OKAY. UM, LAST QUESTION IS FOR STAFF. UH, WAS THIS PROJECT, UM, FACTORED INTO OUR MOST RECENT HOUSING ELEMENT UNDER THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UM, CATEGORY? I CAN, UM, WHILE WE'RE, WHILE WE'RE DOING PUBLIC COMMENT, I CAN REVIEW AND AND VERIFY THAT FOR YOU BECAUSE THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. NOW, WHENEVER, UH, THE, THE DENSITY OF THE SITE WOULD'VE BEEN, SO THE ABILITY OF THE SITE TO GENERATE, UH, 14 UNITS WOULD'VE BEEN FACTORED IN. YEAH. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THIS PROJECT WAS A PIPELINE PROJECT THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE HOUSING ELEMENT. OKAY. OKAY. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU CHAIR COUNCIL MEMBER TURNING THIS ON. THERE IT GOES. UM, SO I HAVE, UM, MOST OF MY QUESTIONS WERE ALSO ANSWERED, BUT I WANNA GO BACK TO THE, UM, ELECTRIC VERSUS DUAL FUEL OR GAS. ARE YOU PUTTING SOLAR ON THE ROOFTOPS OR IS IT JUST ON THE CARPORTS? UM, I BELIEVE IT'S GOING ON THE ROOFTOPS AS WELL. IT, IT KIND OF HAS TO GO ON EVERY SURFACE TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THE STATE HAS NOW. OKAY. BECAUSE I WAS SURPRISED WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE GAS AND ELECTRIC, BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE SOLAR, THE ELECTRICAL COSTS SHOULD BE LOWER. THAT IS CER CERTAINLY WHEN I'M LOOKING AT MY BILL, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. SO I WAS, IT JUST SEEMED LIKE THOSE NUMBERS WERE OFF. I HAD THE EXACT SAME QUESTION. AND THIS HAS BECOME SUCH A DOMINATING ISSUE IN THE STATE THAT THE PACIFIC COMPANIES ACTUALLY HAS SOMEBODY WHO ENTIRE JOB ON STAFF IS SOLAR AND SOLAR ASSESSMENT. SO I HAD A HOUR AND A HALF LONG CALL WITH HIM TO TALK ABOUT THIS EXACT QUESTION. UM, IT'S A LITTLE BIT COMPLEX, BUT WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO IS THAT WHILE UM, THE SOLAR PANELS PRODUCE ELECTRICITY, THE SALE OF THAT ELECTRICITY TO PG E IS DETERMINED THAT SALE PRICE OF THAT PER UNIT IS DETERMINED BY PG E. AND THE TIME THAT WE USE THE ELECTRICITY IS NOT THE PRICING THAT WE GET FOR THE SOLAR EQUIVALENT. SO IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY END UP SAVING RESIDENTS VERY MUCH MONEY AT ALL. IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A SNEAKY LOOPHOLE IN THERE. OKAY. YEAH. WELL THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTIONS, I WANNA JUST GO BACK TO THE DOG RUN AND, 'CAUSE I WAS ON THE SITE YESTERDAY AND I'VE BEEN THERE QUITE A FEW TIMES LOOKING AROUND, UM, IS THERE A WAY OF TALKING WITH A NEIGHBOR THAT'S GONNA LOOK DIRECTLY DOWN AT THAT DOG PARK AND I SEE HER IN THE AUDIENCE , UM, YOU KNOW, JUST, I MEAN, MAYBE PUT A TRELLIS OVER IT, DO SOME OTHER AMENITIES. SO YOU'RE JUST NOT LOOKING DOWN THERE. AND I REALIZE IT'S TO RELIEVE YOUR DOG, BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE SOMETHING AESTHETICALLY PLEASING. DID YOU WORK WITH THE NEIGHBOR TO WORK SOMETHING OUT? [01:50:01] UH, I'M, IN TERMS OF SCREENING, YOU MEAN SCREENING? I DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW PHYSICALLY WHAT IS POSSIBLE FOR SCREENING THERE. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD TALK ABOUT. UM, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, 'CAUSE I'M, AND ACTUALLY LANCE, YOU WERE SKETCHING THIS EARLIER. YEAH. BUT, UM, SO YOU CAN SPEAK TO THIS, BUT WHAT I, UM, FROM THAT PROPERTY LINE, THE, THE RETAINING WALL IS GONNA BE TIERED DOWN. RIGHT. SO IT'S GONNA SLOPE. SO, AND, AND THEN THERE'S A FENCE. SO YOU'D HAVE TO BE LIKE LOOKING OVER THE FENCE DOWN AT THE SITE TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE DOG RELIEF AREA BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE UP AGAINST THE BOTTOM WALL. I DON'T, I DON'T, IT'S NOT GONNA BE READILY VISIBLE. UM, AND, AND IT'S, IT'S JUST, IT LITERALLY IS JUST A FENCED IN TURF AREA. THERE'S NOTHING ABOUT IT THAT'S PARTICULARLY EGREGIOUS. UM, AND AGAIN, SMALL ENOUGH THAT IT'S NOT GONNA BECOME LIKE A DOG PARTY AREA, YOU KNOW, AND I, I, I, I HAVEN'T TALKED TO THE, UH, NEIGHBOR WHO OWNS THAT PROPERTY DIRECTLY, BUT WE'VE TALKED WITH NEIGHBORS WHO WERE REPRESENTING THAT ISSUE ON HER BEHALF. UM, AND YOU KNOW, MOVING IT, UH, WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THIS, BUT THE LIGHT QUESTION, UM, I BELIEVE YOU ASKED THAT IS THE AREA THAT'S GONNA GET THE LEAST LIGHT. SO AS FAR AS WHERE TO PUT OTHER USES THAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA USE MORE FREQUENTLY WITH LARGER GROUPS, IT MEANT IT MADE SENSE TO MOVE THOSE TO THE SUNNIER AREAS OF THE SITE. OKAY. WELL IF UM, THE NEIGHBOR HAS ANYTHING TO SAY, I'D APPRECIATE HEARING IT DURING PUBLIC COMMENT. SURE. UM, AND WHAT WAS THE OTHER THING? UM, THE OUTDOOR AMENITIES, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A TOT LOT AND THEN MAYBE PICNIC BENCHES AND A BARBECUE, IS THE BARBECUE GONNA BE ELECTRIC OR IS IT GONNA HAVE A GAS HOOKUP OR IS IT GONNA BE CHARCOAL ? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I ACTUALLY DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER. YEAH. DO YOU KNOW? YEAH, SO TYPICALLY THOSE ARE CHARCOAL OPEN AREAS THAT ARE KIND OF LIKE THE, I WOULD SAY JUST IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN ONE IN KIND OF A PUBLIC PARK, THEY'RE USUALLY ISOLATED IN A CERTAIN AREA. UM, YOU KNOW, THEY USUALLY HAVE CERTAIN CONSTRAINTS TO THEM. UM, BUT THEY'RE TYPICALLY A CHARCOAL KIND OF OPEN, YOU KNOW, OPEN PIT WITH A GRILL AND A TOP ON IT, UM, WITH SOME SPACE AROUND IT. SO THERE'S NO FLAMMABLE AREAS AROUND THAT SPACE. OKAY. UM, YOU MAY WANNA CONSIDER PUTTING SOMETHING INSTEAD OF CHARCOAL. HOW ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ELECTRIC SOMETHING OUT THERE? YEAH, WE'RE CERTAINLY OPEN TO TO OPTIONS. YEAH. AND YOU KNOW, IF, YOU KNOW, I PREFER TO GET AWAY FROM THE CHARCOAL YEAH. AND MAYBE GO TO SOMETHING ELECTRIC THAT EVERYBODY COULD USE IN YEAH. NON-NATURAL GAS. YEAH. SO IF THAT COULD BE, UM, WE ARE DEFINITELY OPEN TO ALTERNATIVES FOR SURE. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, AND AS FAR AS THE EXERCISE EQUIPMENT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, ADULT, YOU KNOW, EXERCISE EQUIPMENT. WE'RE FINDING THAT THERE REALLY IS A NEED. AND EVEN THOUGH THIS IS, YOU KNOW, FAMILY HOUSING, THERE'S STILL PARENTS SOMETIMES THAT LIVE WITH FAMILIES AND UM, YOU KNOW, TO HELP OUT OR JUST THAT'S THEIR, THEIR WAY OF LIVING, WHICH IS FINE. YEAH. BUT IT WOULD BE THAT'S GREAT. I'M, THERE IS A GYM. OH, UH, YES. THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, THERE IS A GYM ONSITE INSIDE THE BUILDING, ONE OF THE BUILDINGS RIGHT BEFORE PHYSICAL, UH, FITNESS. BUT WE HADN'T RESOLVED ON WHAT THE AMENITY WOULD BE FOR THE OLDER AGE GROUP. OKAY. AND, UM, I MEAN IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S SOME SUPPORT FOR, UM, SORT OF OUTDOOR, IT'S THE KIND OF OUTDOOR EQUIPMENT YOU SEE ON TRAILS AROUND HERE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT. WHERE THEY'RE SORT OF LIKE BODY WEIGHT MANIPULATIONS. SO CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE CAN CONSIDER DOING. OKAY. UM, AND, UH, AS FAR AS THE ROAD, UM, ACCESS, SO THERE IS AN EASEMENT ON THAT ROAD. SO THE PUBLIC WILL BE USING THAT ROAD? OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT TALKING TO THE CITY PROPERTY AND MAKING AN EASEMENT? OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT USING ROA TO PETALUMA BOULEVARD THAT SOMEBODY COULD RIDE THEIR BIKE DOWN THERE OR THEY CAN WALK ON IT THERE? THERE'S AN EXISTING EASEMENT ALONG VEA LANE THAT STARTS WHERE THE GATE IS IF YOU WENT OUT TO THE SITE. MM-HMM. , THERE'S THAT METAL GATE. IT STARTS ABOUT THERE AND GOES ALL THE WAY TO PETALUMA BOULEVARD SOUTH. THAT PROPERTY IS OWNED BY THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO THE WEST OF THAT LANE. OKAY. AND, UH, IT GRANTS OUR PROPERTY, THE OWNERS OF, OF TWO VENA LANE THE RIGHT FOR ACCESS AND UTILITIES. SO IT IS NOT A PUBLIC ROAD, IT WOULD ONLY BE USED, WE'RE REALLY ONLY USING, UH, THE BOTTOM, THE SOUTHERN, SORRY, THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE EASEMENT FOR ACCESS TO THE SITE. OTHERWISE WE DON'T HAVE ANY VEHICULAR ACCESS THAT WE'RE PLANNING. UM, THE REST WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, NATURAL PEDESTRIAN CYCLING TYPE, UH, USE. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? IT ANSWERS MY QUESTION, BUT IT DOESN'T TAKE CARE OF THE ISSUE OF MAKING SURE PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS, MAKING SURE PEOP WHO, I'M SORRY, I DON'T, PEOPLE JUST EVEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO HAVE ACCESS ONTO THE ROAD TO GET TO THE BOULEVARD, THAT'S NOT [01:55:01] SOMETHING WITHIN OUR POWER TO NEGOTIATE, OR SORRY TO, TO, CAUSE WE, WE COULD CERTAINLY, UM, APPROACH THE OWNERS ABOUT THAT. UM, I, I BELIEVE I'VE HEARD FROM OTHER NEIGHBORS IN THE AREA THAT THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP TO THE CURRENT OWNERS AND THEY WERE NOT AMENABLE. OKAY. WELL HOPEFULLY SOMETHING WILL CHANGE ON THAT. RIGHT. AND, AND I THINK THROUGH THIS, UH, THROUGH THIS PROJECT'S REVIEW, WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT NEED COUNCIL MEMBER AND, AND, UH, AS, AS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE CITY'S PLANS FOR THE CITY OWNED PROPERTY TAKE SHAPE WILL CERTAINLY BE CONSCIOUS OF, OF THAT NEED TO COMPLETE THAT CONNECTION TO PETALUMA BOULEVARD. OKAY. AND AS FAR AS PUTTING THE GATE BACK UP, I JUST PREFER IF THERE WASN'T A GATE UP THERE FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES IN CASE A FIRE TRUCK HAS TO COME FROM PETALUMA BOULEVARD UP, IT'S AN ACCESS POINT AND TO PUT A GATE BACK UP THERE, I THINK IS UNREASONABLE. SO IS THAT BETWEEN YOU AND THE PROPERTY OWNER OR THE CITY AND YOU AND THE PROPERTY OWNER FOR FIRE SAFETY? WELL, THE, THE, UH, A TYPICAL APPROACH WHEN WE DO HAVE A GATE AND I THINK THAT A GATE MAY BE, WOULD BE NEEDED TO PREVENT VEHICULAR ACCESS. OTHERWISE YOU HAVE NO CONTROL OVER VEHICLES USING THAT PRIVATE DRIVE TO GET TO PETALUMA BOULEVARD SOUTH. BUT, BUT WHEN I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IT, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT SINGLE ARM GATE MIGHT BE A GATE THAT THE CITY INSTALLED, UM, BECAUSE YEAH, RAVINA LANE ENDS THERE AND TYPICALLY WE WOULD SEE A SINGLE ARM GATE INSTALLED AT THE TERMINUS OR DEAD END OF A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, UM, TO, TO PREVENT CARS FROM, UM, TRAVELING OR VEHICLES FROM TRAVELING FORWARD. SO I THINK ONE OF THE CONDITIONS WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON DRAFTING IN RESPONSE TO, UM, AN APPLICANT COMMENT ABOUT THE CONDITIONING TO REQUIRE THE NOX BOX IS TO LOOK AT IF THE CITY DOES CONTROL THAT SINGLE ARM GATE. AND IF SO, UH, THEN TO SOLVE FOR PROVIDING EMERGENCY ACCESS TO THAT SINGLE ARM GATE RATHER THAN THAT OTHER GATE THAT I THINK WAS INSTALLED BY THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER. HMM. WE JUST HAVE TO LOOK AT THE LOCATION OF THAT GATE. CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. BUT, BUT PERHAPS RATHER THAN A GATED APPROACH, UH, UH, A DIFFERENT SCENARIO MIGHT BE BOLLARD SO THAT PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS COULD PASS THROUGH, BUT THEN VEHICLES WOULD STILL BE PREVENTED FROM PASSING THROUGH. HOW WOULD A FIRETRUCK GET THROUGH IF THERE'S BALLARD? WELL, THEY, THEY WOULD, IT'S A SIMILAR APPROACH TO A NOX BOX. THEY HAVE ACCESS TO BE ABLE TO, UM, UNLOCK THE BALLARDS AND PULL THEM OUT. OKAY. WELL IT SEEMS LIKE THE GATE THAT'S THERE MIGHT BE EASIER 'CAUSE YOU CAN JUST CUT THE LOCK RIGHT. AND GET THERE QUICKER. SO, UH, IS THIS EMERGENCY ACCESS ROAD, UM, FOR POLICE, AMBULANCES AND FIRE, OR IS IT, ARE WE JUST THINKING OF FIRE TRUCKS? ANY, ANY EMERGENCY VEHICLE? SO ANY EMERGENCY VEHICLE COULD USE THAT. OKAY. UM, DOOR. SO IF THE, IF THE SITE IS 17 FEET DOWN FROM, I GUESS JACQUELINE, SO WHAT IS THE HEIGHT THEN OF THE TOP OF THE BUILDINGS? IS THE WHOLE SITE 17 FEET LOWER THAN JACQUELINE? ARE YOU WONDERING IF YOU'RE ON JACQUELINE, HOW MUCH OF THE TOP OF THE BUILDING WOULD YOU SEE THE HEIGHT? EXACTLY. YOU'LL SEE ABOUT 17 FEET, FOUR INCHES FROM THE VERY TOP POINT OF JACQUELINE AS YOU'RE WALKING DOWN DOWNHILL. OKAY. ON JACQUELINE. UM, THE THIRD STORY WOULD BE ABOUT 17 FEET HIGHER THAN THAT PIECE, WHICH IS ABOUT A ONE STORY BUILDING. OKAY. IN TERMS OF JUST THE PEAK, THE PITCH OF THE, OF THE ROOFTOP. AND THEN AS YOU WALK DOWN, OBVIOUSLY MORE OF IT GETS EXPOSED RIGHT. TO YOUR FLUSH WITH IT AND THEN IT'S THREE STORIES. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, AND I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, MAKE SURE THAT THE TREES CHECK THE TREES AND I UNDERSTAND ABOUT OVER PLANTING CAN BE A PROBLEM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A REVIEW OF THE TREES THAT ARE GOING IN THERE. UM, THE REVIEW OF THE TREES ON SITE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT ARE GONNA BE PUT ON SITE. OKAY. YEAH. YEAH. YOU CAN REVIEW THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AND IT SHOWS THE SPECIES IN THERE. AND IF WE HAVE A CONDITION THAT, YOU KNOW, MODIFIES THAT, THAT'S, OR OPEN TO THAT, WELL, I DON'T READ LATIN AND SO I WILL LEAVE IT UP. ME NEITHER TO, UH, THE TREE EXPERT ON THE COMMITTEE. UM, SO AS FAR AS LIKE HOW MANY EV CHARGERS ARE THERE FOR CARS AND ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE IT, UM, PLUMMET SO YOU CAN ADD EXTRA, YOU KNOW, AND AS TIME GOES ON WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE MORE ELECTRIC CARS. YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S A GREAT POINT. AND THERE ARE SOME EV READY SPOTS. RIGHT. UM, THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA WAS PRETTY CLEAR IN TERMS OF WHAT THEIR REQUIREMENTS [02:00:01] ARE FOR THE TYPES, FOR WHAT NEEDS TO BE THERE DAY ONE AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE READY GOING FORWARD. IF YOU LOOK AT OUR SITE PLAN AS ONE, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE, WE'VE ITEMIZED EACH PARKING SPACE, RIGHT. TO SHOW WHICH ONES ARE EV CHARGING STATIONS, WHICH ONES ARE EV READY, AND THEY'RE ALSO BY USE, WHETHER IT'S A HANDICAP SPACE OR A COVERED SPACE OR A TANDEM SPACE OR AN OPEN SPACE. SO, UM, THE SHORT ANSWER IS WE MEET ALL THE STATE REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT. THERE'S PLENTY OF THEM IN THEIR DAY ONE. AND THEN MOVING FORWARD YOU'LL SEE THEM AS THEY'RE EV READY, THEY CAN BE PLUMBED AND CONDUIT LAID IN DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE. SO IT'S EASY TO KIND OF ADD THEM ON LATER. OKAY. THAT'S, UM, GREAT. THANK YOU. AS FAR AS THE BIKE STORAGE AREAS, ARE THERE ELECTRICAL IN THERE FOR EV BIKES? YEAH, AGAIN, THAT'S ONE OF THE CONSUMER ELECTRONIC THINGS THAT WE HAVEN'T CAUGHT UP WITH YET. SO, UH, THE SHORT ANSWER IS NO. UM, THOSE ARE TYPICALLY BATTERY POWERED. THOSE PACKS CAN COME OFF AND USUALLY GET PLUGGED IN SOMEPLACE ELSE IN THEIR HOMES, NOT MINE. , UH, WELL, SOME OF THEM CAN. UM, SO NO, THE SHORT ANSWER IS THOUGH THEY'RE JUST BIKE PARKING SPACES. CAN THAT BE ADDED ONTO? IT IS, UH, THAT GOES INTO TO SOME COST CONSIDERATIONS AND THAT GOES INTO THE AFFORDABILITY, YOU KNOW, ALGORITHM AND, AND AND ADDING MORE COST TO THIS BUILDING. WE'RE TALKING A FEW ONE 10 PLUGS. WE'RE NOT TALKING A LOT. AND THERE IS A, WE'RE REALLY, UM, ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO BIKE IN THIS AREA. IT'S WITHIN A HALF A MILE OF A RAIL WELL OF, UM, WHERE THE CA FIELD CROSSING'S GONNA GO. AND SO I THINK IT'S REALLY AN IMPORTANT AREA TO FOCUS ON. AND THAT'S ONE THING THAT I WOULD APPRECIATE IF YOU WOULD ADD, CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT. AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE NUMBER IS, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE ADDED IN THERE AND WE CAN CERTAINLY REVIEW IT. UH, IT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR OUR ELECTRICAL ENGINEER WHEN, WELL, I HATE TO APPROVE A PROJECT LEAVING THINGS HANGING. I, I'M NOT SURE THAT WE, I DON'T KNOW THE INFRASTRUCTURE WELL ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO PROMISE IT WITHOUT LIKE A REDESIGN SITUATION HAPPENING. SO I, I CAN, THE BEST I CAN DO IS ASK IF YOU WANNA PUT IN THE CASE SINCE 2024. WE SHOULD BE THINKING THAT IN THAT DIRECTION. SO, OH, I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW TO ANSWER THE QUESTION. UM, IF WE ANDREW, WANNA, UM, DO SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THE PLANS, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING FOR US TO CONSIDER WITH PLANNING APPROVAL, THAT JUST GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO GO BACK AND DISCUSS IT. WE CAN, WE CAN ADD IT AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL. UM, BUT IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION TO ADD IT. SO IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU COUNCIL MEMBER, THAT WOULD BE FINE. OKAY, GREAT. OKAY. UM, AND WHO MAINTAINS THE LANDSCAPING AND THE TREES ON JACQUELINE? SO IS IT THE MANAGEMENT? SO DO YOU HAVE A LANDSCAPE PERSON COME IN THERE WEEKLY? UH, I DUNNO ABOUT THE FREQUENCY. BUT THAT WOULD BE HANDLED BY THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY? YES. OKAY. AND YOU ARE USING THE FAKE GRASS IN AREAS UH, THE TURF. THERE'S GONNA BE TURF IN THE CHILDREN'S PLAY AREA. MM-HMM. . YEAH. COULD YOU USE SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN THAT? THERE'S SOME QUESTION ABOUT THE HEALTH. UM, I, I BELIEVE THAT THE REASON FOR THE TURF IS LONG-TERM MAINTENANCE, BUT ALSO WATER. UM, IT'S JUST GRASS IS NOT VERY DROUGHT RESISTANT. SO I THINK THAT THAT WAS A PIVOT THAT WAS MADE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. WHAT ABOUT JUST, UM, LIKE CRUSHED GRAVEL INSTEAD, OR GRANITE INSTEAD OF, 'CAUSE THAT HAS TO BE REPLACED AND IT'S JUST, THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS WHETHER IT'S REALLY HEALTHY OR NOT. UM, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT. I CAN'T ADDRESS THE, THE CONVERSATION A GRAVEL AND CRUSHED GRAPHITE. IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S MESSY. IT'S HARD TO CONTAIN, BUT IT'S HEALTHIER . SO WE COULD MAYBE LOOK INTO THAT USING SOME OTHER TYPE OF A SURFACE. UM, IT'S AGAIN, SOMETHING I CAN LOOK AT. OKAY. AND IF THERE'S GONNA BE A TOT LOT THERE, DON'T YOU PUT, UM, LIKE RUBBER DOWN IN CASE? YEAH. THAT, THAT'S, UM, I THINK THERE'S TYPICALLY TURF SURROUNDING, IT'S LIKE A, UM, WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT? LIKE A RUBBER? YEAH. A RUBBER SURFACE. MM-HMM. FOR BOUNCING SHOULD THEY FALL AS THEY DO. SO THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF IT. AND THEN IT WOULD BE COVERED WITH THAT GOES UNDERNEATH THE ACTUAL, THE ASTROTURF OR THE, WHATEVER IT'S CALLED TODAY. TURF. YEAH. IT GOES UNDERNEATH THE STRUCTURE ITSELF. AND THEN SURROUNDING AREA WOULD BE TURF. MAYBE WE COULD PUT THAT AS A CONDITION TO HAVE YOU REVIEW IF THERE PRODUCTS THAT COULD BE USED. SURE. YEAH. I'D BE HAPPY TO REVIEW IT. UM, I THINK THAT'S, [02:05:01] DID HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION. UM, I HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION, BUT I CAN'T, I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT WAS, SO I'LL ASK IT LATER. THANKS. SURE. THANKS CHAIR. UM, I JUST HAD ONE MORE, UM, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. UM, I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THE TRASH AND THE DOG PARK AND HOW THE, THE STINKY SMELLY LOUD THINGS ARE ON THE STREET NEXT TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE PARK AREAS, THE PLAY AREAS AND THE RECREATION AREAS ARE AGAINST THE VACANT LOT. AND I WAS JUST WONDERING HOW REALLY HARD IT WOULD BE TO SWITCH THOSE TWO. I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN ADDRESS HOW HARD IT WOULD BE, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT CIVIL AND ARCHITECT WOULD HAVE TO WEIGH IN ON. UM, YEAH. I, I WAS JUST GONNA, UH, UH, FROM A LIVABILITY STANDPOINT, THE GROUPS, THE PEOPLE, THE PLACES WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO CONGREGATE FOR RECREATION, IF WE PUT THOSE IN THE CORNER OVER THERE, THEY'LL NEVER, THAT THEY WILL BE BLOCKED FROM SUNLIGHT IN A WAY THAT THEY CAN'T FULLY ENJOY THE SPACE. AND, UM, SO FROM, FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, WE THOUGHT FROM A DESIGN CHOICE, IT WAS A BETTER PLACE TO PUT IT. UM, AGAIN, I WANNA REITERATE, BECAUSE THESE ARE, SO, THESE ARE GONNA BE RECESSED SO LOW BELOW THE STREET WALKING BY. YOU WON'T NOTICE IT AT ALL. I MEAN, YOU'LL BE CLOSER TO THE NEIGHBOR'S BINS, GARBAGE BINS ON THE STREET BY A LONG SHOT THAN THE TRASH ENCLOSURE ON THE PROJECT. YEAH. I'M JUST WONDERING ABOUT THE SOUND. IT'S JUST GONNA BE LOUD SOUND FROM THE GARBAGE COLLECTION. YEAH. MM-HMM. . YEAH. I MEAN, GARBAGE TRUCKS ARE MM-HMM. PRETTY LOUD. I, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANYTHING, ANYTHING I'VE EVER SEEN THAT MITIGATES THAT SOUND ENCLOSURES. I DON'T KNOW. HAVE YOU DONE SOUND ENCLOSURES ON TRASH ENCLOSURES BEFORE? I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT. NO. YOU CAN, I CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT. I MEAN, A LOT OF TIMES, UH, THE, THE SHAPE AND THE DESIGN OF THESE TRASH ENCLOSURES ARE DICTATED BY THE COMPANY THAT'S DOING THE TRASH PICKUPS. AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS, THERE'S GONNA BE A TRASH COLLECTION THAT DAY ACROSS THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO IT'S NOT, WILL NOT BE JUST THAT, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT, OR THAT SITE THAT'S GONNA HAVE TRASH PICKUP THAT DAY. IT'S GONNA BE THAT WHOLE SITE. SO THAT MORNING THEY'RE GONNA BE HAVING THE GARBAGE TRUCK GO ACROSS THE WHOLE SPACE. UM, JUST TO YOUR POINT IN TERMS OF JUST, UM, FLIPPING CERTAIN THINGS, WE HAD SOME REQUIREMENTS FOR THE DEPTH OF THE SITE REQUIRES US TO HAVE A TURNAROUND IN THE SITE AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE WHAT WE CALL KIND OF A T-BONE IN THE SITE FOR FIRE AND FOR GARBAGE AND TO DO ANYTHING ELSE. AND WHAT WE'VE DESIGNED WOULD REDUCE THE NUMBER OF UNITS BY SHIFTING THINGS AROUND AND BY PUTTING THINGS IN OTHER SPACES. UM, I THINK SOMEBODY MADE THE POINT IS WAS THIS PROJECT DESIGNED TO THE INCH BASED ON THE STATE REQUIREMENTS? AND THE ANSWER IS YES. UM, UH, PLANNING STAFF HAS ALSO, UH, PROVIDED US SOME GREAT INSIGHT AND FEEDBACK IN TERMS OF HOW TO GET THE PROJECT TO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING TODAY. SO WE'VE REALLY KIND OF HONED IT DOWN TO THE, TO THE INCH IN TERMS OF WHAT THE STATE REQUIREMENTS ARE, AS WELL AS FIRE GARBAGE AND ALL OF THE AMENITIES YEAH. AND ALL THE TAC REQUIREMENTS FOR STATE FUNDING FOR THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMPONENT, WHICH THIS PROJECT IS. SO. ALRIGHT, THANKS. I THINK IN, IN BUILDING IT OUT TO THE INCH HERE, THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT ARE BEING SACRIFICED. SO YEAH. THERE'S ALWAYS A COMPROMISE IN, IN CERTAIN AREAS. YES. YEAH. I THINK ANOTHER QUESTION, JESSICA FIRST THEN GO AHEAD. THANKS. YEAH. JUST A, A QUICK OPERATIONAL QUESTION. UM, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, UM, V UH, IN THESE GRAPHICS WE'VE GOT OBVIOUSLY THE 51 PARKING SPACES AND THEN SIX BIKE PARKING SPOTS I BELIEVE SO I COULD CHECK. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I SAW. UM, I THINK, I THINK IT WAS TWO RACKS OF SIX, BUT WE CAN CHECK. OH, OH, THAT'D BE GOOD TO KNOW. UM, WHILE HE'S DOUBLE CHECKING THAT MATH, UH, SHOULD WE COME INTO A FUTURE WHERE 51 PARKING SPOTS IS TOO MUCH FOR THESE 32 UNITS, HOW COULD THOSE BE REPURPOSED EITHER FOR FURTHER GREEN SPACE, PERHAPS MORE BIKE FACILITIES, UM, IN, IN THE EVENTUAL FUTURE OF LESS CARS? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO IT. I'M SURE THAT IT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT COMES UP. UM, I MEAN, RIGHT NOW WE'RE, UH, I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE QUESTIONS REGARDING THE EV PARKING. NONE OF THOSE ARE BEING USED ACROSS OUR PROPERTIES BECAUSE IT'S NOT SURPRISING. THESE ARE NOT RESIDENTS THAT CAN AFFORD AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE. UM, AND SO BY THE TIME THAT THEY BECOME AFFORDABLE, I'M ASSUMING THE INFRASTRUCTURES REQUIREMENTS ARE GONNA CHANGE. SO THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT THAT HAPPENS OVER THE NEXT [02:10:01] FEW DECADES. I'M SURE THAT THAT WILL BE A CONSIDERATION THAT'S MADE, BUT I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER. YEAH. WHAT I SAW ON PAGE TWO WAS THE BICYCLE CANOPY, 112 SQUARE FEET. IT SAYS ONE RACK FOR TWO BIKES AND THEN FOUR DURA BIKE LOCKERS DOUBLE STACKED. SO MAYBE THAT MAKES YES. THAT'S EIGHT PLUS TWO IS 10, OR YES, THAT'S CORRECT. WHICH, WHAT'S OUR TOTAL BIKE COUNT? SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SIX, SIX BIKES, UM, FOUR AND TWO. OKAY. IN TERMS OF PARKING. OKAY. BUT THE BIKE RACK ITSELF CAN, THERE'S NO REALLY, THERE'S NO PHYSICAL LIMIT TO SOME OF THOSE THINGS. YOU CAN HAVE SIX OR EIGHT BIKE RACKS ON THOSE OPEN RACKS. MM-HMM. , THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THE LOOPS THAT YOU CAN KIND OF TIE INTO. MM-HMM. PLUS THERE'S ALSO SOME SECURED ONES. THOSE ARE LIMITED BY, YOU CAN USUALLY GET ONE OR TWO BIKES IN EACH ONE OF THOSE. MM-HMM. . UM, BUT IN TERMS OF NUMBER OF LOCKERS, THERE'LL BE FOUR LOCKERS AND TWO BIKE RACKS, SO. GOTCHA. OKAY. AND IF, IF YOU FIND THAT YOU'VE GOT EXTRA PARKING SPACES, COULD YOU THROW IN A COUPLE MORE BIKE RACKS IN THE TUCK UNDER? YEAH, I MEAN THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK THAT'S FAIRLY EASY TO INSTALL AFTER THE FACT. I MEAN, IF WE END UP WITH RESIDENTS, WE DON'T KNOW WHO'S GONNA LIVE HERE YET, YOU KNOW, UM, AND THEY'RE GONNA ADJUST TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO IF WE HAVE THE NEED FOR MORE BIKING PARKING, I'M SURE WE WILL FIGURE OUT A WAY TO DO THAT. COOL. YEAH. THANK YOU. YEAH. COUNCIL MEMBER THAT THERE'S JUST ONE VISITOR'S PARKING SPACE ON THE INSIDE. DID I SEE THAT CORRECTLY? THAT THERE'S A GUEST SPACE? YEAH. NUMBER 33. YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT. THERE'S ONE GUEST SPACE. OKAY. SO, UM, LIKE AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, I, YOU KNOW, VISITORS, THERE'LL BE PARKING OUT ON THE STREET. WHAT I REALLY WANNA MAKE SURE IS THAT THERE'S THE PREVENTION OF LIKE, WORK EQUIPMENT, PEOPLE LEAVING THEIR WORK EQUIPMENT OUT ON THE STREETS. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, I HAVE A DUMP TRUCK AND A, AND A UTILITY TRAILER, BRAND NEW IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEY'RE PROHIBITED. SO HOW DO YOU PREVENT PEOPLE FROM TAKING THEIR WORK EQUIPMENT, WHICH COULD BE A UTILITY TRAILER AND PARKING IT ON THE STREET. IS THERE, SO I I DO YOU HAVE RULES? WELL, THE PARKING ON STREET WOULD BE REGULATED BY THE CITY ON STREET PARKING IS ALLOWED, UH, IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, MIKE. UM, AND IF THERE ARE REGULATIONS AROUND THE TYPES OF VEHICLES THAT ARE ALLOWED TO BE PARKED THERE, I MEAN THAT, THAT WOULD BE A DIRECT WITH THAT RESIDENT. AND, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROCESS WOULD BE. YOU TICKET THEM, YOU GIVE THEM A WARNING, I'M NOT SURE, BUT THAT WOULD BE DIRECTLY WITH THEM WHEN PEOPLE MOVE IN. DO YOU HAVE A LIST OF DO'S AND DON'TS THAT THIS COULD BE ADDED ONTO SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND? YES, WE HAVE A LIST OF RULES FOR SURE. UM, I CAN SEE WHETHER THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY TYPICALLY WOULD, WOULD ADD. I'M, I DON'T, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT. I CAN ASK. WELL, I'M FAMILIAR WITH ALL THE UTILITY TRAILERS PARKED ON CITY STREETS. MM-HMM. AND WHEN THEY SHOULDN'T BE. SO I JUST WANT TO GIVE A WARNING THAT MAYBE THAT SHOULD BE PUT IN SOME RULES THAT THAT'S PROHIBITED EVEN ON THE CITY STREETS. JUST SO PEOPLE KNOW. I MEAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY MAKE RESIDENTS AWARE OF THE, THE ORDINANCES ON CITY, ON CITY STREETS. AND THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING. OKAY. AND HOW MANY A DA SPACES, PARKING SPACES ARE THERE? PARKING? YEAH, NO PROBLEM. UM, THERE ARE TWO. TWO, THERE'S TWO BECAUSE I SAW THAT. HOW MANY UNITS, SIX UNITS ARE A DA UNITS? MM-HMM. ON THE FIRST FLOOR. YES. SO WHY THEY'RE PUT, WHY ARE THERE ONLY TWO A DA PARKING SPACES IF THERE'S SIX UNITS? THAT'S THE STATE, STATE REQUIREMENT. COULD WE CHANGE THAT? UH, I MEAN A DA SPACES TAKE UP MORE SPACE. MM-HMM. . SO YOU WOULD BE REDUCING YOUR OVERALL PARKING COUNT, I UNDERSTAND. BUT IS IF YOU ARE DISABLED, WHICH I DON'T CARE WHAT THE REQUIREMENT IS. YEAH. THIS IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT WOULD GET WORKED OUT WITH THE PROPERTY MANAGER. SO WHEN RESIDENTS ARE APPLYING FOR UNITS, WHAT WOULD BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION IS WHAT'S AVAILABLE AT THE PROPERTY AT THE TIME SITE. THE, THE, THE PARKING SPACES ARE ASSIGNED TO UNITS. SO IF SOMEBODY COMES IN AND THEY, UM, REQUIRE AN A DA SPACE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE AN A DA UNIT AVAILABLE AND A PARKING SPACE IF THAT WAS REQUIRED FOR THEM TO LIVE THERE. SO YOU WOULD PROVIDE THAT, EVEN THOUGH YOU ONLY HAVE TWO IN THEIR SIX UNITS, THEY CAN BE ASSIGNED. YES. MM-HMM. . OKAY. UM, AND JUST BACK TO THE DOG PARK, UM, OR OR POOPING AREA. ARE YOU PROVIDING POOP BAGS, ? OH, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. YEAH. WELL THAT WOULD BE, THAT'S SOMETHING I CAN MAKE NOTE OF THOUGH. YEAH. THAT WOULD BE GOOD [02:15:01] FOR, IT SEEMS LIKE A REASONABLE THING TO DO. IT SEEMS VERY REASONABLE. YEAH. YEAH. 'CAUSE SOMETIMES YOU FORGET AND IT MAKES IT CLEANER. MM-HMM. . AND IT MAKES SURE IT'S BEING PICKED UP SO THE ODORS DON'T GO UP. MM-HMM. . AND THAT'S IT FOR NOW. OKAY. WE ARE, I KNOW A LOT OF YOU HAVE BEEN WAITING TO GIVE PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE'RE ABOUT IN THAT MOMENT, BUT I DID WANNA FLAG, BECAUSE THE FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT I SAW, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S FROM, UH, AJ WHITAKER WHO'S A REPRESENTATIVE OF PACIFIC. THIS DOESN'T FEEL LIKE A PUBLIC COMMENT. THIS FEELS MORE LIKE AN APPLICANT ISSUE OR YOU'RE COMING TO CORRECT ONE OF OUR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. I DIDN'T WANNA MISS MY CHANCE, SO I FILLED OUT A CARD. SO QUALITY'S SPEAKING TO THE MIC AND I'M TALL SO I GOTTA LEAN OVER HERE. I UNDERSTAND THE PURPOSE FOR THE CARD WAS TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION, UH, CONDITION NUMBER 41. OKAY. WHICH STATES THAT THERE ARE TWO RAMPS REQUIRED AT THE INTERSECTION THERE AND TWO CROSSWALKS. THERE'S ONE CURRENTLY, HOWEVER, THROUGH MY CONVERSATION WITH ANDREW EARLIER, IT IS PUBLIC WORKS. UH, PUBLIC WORKS IS IN AGREEMENT WITH ME THAT THE GRADES ALONG ROVENA ARE TOO STEEP TO ACCOMMODATE A CROSSWALK THROUGH THERE WITHOUT CREATING A LAUNCH RAMP SITUATION. AND THE GRADES AT THE INTERSECTION ARE VERY STEEP. UM, SO I WOULD SIMPLY REQUEST THAT THAT CONDITION BE REWORDED TO, UH, ALLOW US TO WORK WITH PUBLIC WORKS TO COME UP WITH A, A VIABLE SOLUTION THAT'S, UH, FEASIBLE FROM A GRADING STANDPOINT. GOT IT. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. WITH THAT I AM OPENING PUBLIC COMMENT. THE PUBLIC HAS INVITED TO COMMENT ON THIS ITEM. PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON. IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE SO ALREADY, PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD AND BRING IT TO THE CLERK. UH, I AM GOING TO GET STARTED. AJ WAS NOT PUBLIC COMMENT. UH, I'M GOING TO LET OUR SENIOR COMMITTEE REPRESENTATIVE GO FIRST, JUST OUT OF RESPECT FOR CHAIR DYLAN. CHAIR, BEFORE WE START, I DO WANNA STATE THAT WE DID RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING. THEY HAVE BEEN PUBLISHED ONLINE. I ALWAYS FORGET THIS PART. YES, THANK YOU. UH, AND THEY'RE AVAILABLE FOR VIEWING IN THE BACK. THANK YOU. UM, MY NAME IS NICOLA FRY. I'M THE CHAIR OF THE SENIOR ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND I NOTICED THAT THE TOT LOT SLASH TEEN LOT, UM, CAME UP AS PART OF THE CONVERSATION HERE. AND IF POSSIBLE, I'D LIKE TO, UM, TALK TO THE DEVELOPERS ON THAT. AS WE HAVE JUST RECENTLY DEVELOPED A, UM, EXERCISE FACILITY, UM, THAT'S GOING INTO OUR LUCCHESE PARK THAT IS FOR TOTS ALL THE WAY UP TO SENIORS. AND WE'D LIKE TO LIKE, LET YOU KNOW WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING AND POSSIBLY COMMENT AND HAVE INPUT INTO WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THIS LOCATION. THANK YOU. UH, NEXT WE HAVE GREG O'BRIEN, FOLLOWED BY THERESA OGER. SOME 'EM WAS GONNA GIVE ME THEIR TIME. UH, I MAY NOT NEED IT, BUT FIRST, UH, THANK YOU FOR TAKING YOUR TIME AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO UH, KIND OF HEAR THE COMMUNITY. IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US AND THE COMMUNITY TO BE ABLE TO GET A FEEL FOR MORE THAN BROOKS AND MORTAR. LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE KIDS AND THE FAMILIES THAT ARE GONNA BE LIVING THERE AND KIND OF A LITTLE BIT HOW THEY'RE GONNA FEEL. UH, MY BACKGROUND, I GREW UP IN MARIN CITY, AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY, FAMILY OF EIGHT. AND WE LIVED THERE FOR 18 YEARS. THEN GOT MOVED WITHOUT ANY SAY INTO APARTMENT BUILDINGS. A FAMILY OF EIGHT THREE BEDROOM HOUSE. I KNOW HOW IT FEELS TO LIVE IN THAT TYPE OF SITUATION. SO YOU START THINKING TO YOURSELF, MY GRANDKIDS GONNA GO TO SCHOOL WITH THESE KIDS. THIS IS A GOOD PROJECT. LET THE, BUT THEN I COME TONIGHT AND I HEAR, AND YOU, I FEEL FOR YOU. ALL I HEARD WAS OUR HANDS ARE TIED. WE HAVE NO POWER. ANYWAY, TO CHANGE THIS, I'M HERE TO TELL YOU, YOU DO HAVE THE POWER. I KNOW THAT ROAD THAT GOES DOWN THERE BECAUSE I WALKED DOWN THERE TO GET BLACKBERRIES AND THE GUY COMES OUT AND HE SAYS, GET OUTTA HERE. THIS IS MY PRIVATE LAND AND THE EASEMENT. I SAID, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? YOU GOT AN EASEMENT HERE? HE SAID, YEAH, IF YOU DON'T GET OUT, I'M GONNA KICK YOUR BUTT. OH, NICE GUY. HUH? HE DESERVES AN EASEMENT. I SAID, I'M AN EX-MARINE. SO HE WASN'T GONNA MESS WITH ME. BUT THINK ABOUT IT. THINK ABOUT THAT EASEMENT. YOU DO [02:20:01] HAVE THE POWER. YOU CAN DO INTERMITTENT DOMAIN. YOU CAN OPEN UP THAT ROAD. NOW YOU GOT HAPPY PEOPLE. YOU GOT THESE PEOPLE SITTING HERE OUT HERE. HAPPY. YOU GOT ME HAPPY. 'CAUSE I LIVE LESS THAN MAYBE 75 YARDS FROM THE, FROM THE DEVELOPMENT. SO I'M GONNA HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC AND STUFF. IT'S OKAY. THESE FAMILIES NEED THAT. AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS A CRISIS. SO IF IT'S REALLY A CRISIS, WHY DON'T YOU TAKE THE PROPERTY BEHIND IT? SOMEONE SAID THAT BELONGS TO UH, SONOMA FAIR HOUSING. DOES IT OR DOES IT BELONG TO THE CITY? I WENT DOWN THERE TODAY AND I TOOK A LOOK AND I GO, OH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SERVICES MY BACKGROUND WITH YMCA FOR 30 YEARS. I WAS THE COO OF SAN FRANCISCO WISE, THE PRESIDENT AND CEO, YOU KNOW, WHO HAS THE POWER TO MAKE CHANGES? THE DEVELOPER THE ONLY ONE THAT'S, CONSULTANTS CAN'T DO IT. THE CITY, UNFORTUNATELY, HANDS ARE TIED, BUT KAYLIN, UH, CALEB THE DEVELOPER, HE'S THE ONE THAT WORKED FOR MARIN CITY. SO I GO DOWN MARIN CITY AND I SAY, OKAY, MARIN CITY, UH, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO? THEY SAY, WE'RE GONNA STOP IT OR CITY SAVE OUR CITY. AND THEY REDUCED IT DOWN TO 34 UNITS. WE HAVE THE POWER TO SEND A LETTER FROM THE CITY TO THE DEVELOPER AND ASK FOR, IS THAT MY TIME? THAT IS YOUR TIME TO ASK THEM TO DELAY THIS PROJECT. WHAT'S THAT? I'M GONNA GIVE GREG MY THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. OH, JAY SMITH. OH, OKAY. I GET A LITTLE EXCITED. SO I'M IRISH, PLAY WITH ME. BUT YEAH, YOU DO HAVE POWER TO DO THINGS. THIS IS A NICE PROJECT, BUT LIST, WHEN WE HAVE THE GRAND OPENING, UH, MY, UH, BUILT, UH, 10 YMCAS AND THE MARIN YI OPENED THAT AND EVERY TIME WE WORKED TO MAKE IT A WIN-WIN, YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY WHEN WE DO THE GRAND OPENING TO HAVE THE COMMUNITY FEEL GOOD ABOUT THESE KIDS AND FAMILY OR LABEL IT LIKE SAUSALITO LABELED MARIN CITY. I KNOW HOW THAT FEELS. 'CAUSE THEN I WENT TO THE RICHARDSON BAY SCHOOL AND WE WERE CALLED THE WHITE PATTIES. WELL, THAT'S NICE. I AM NOT GONNA TELL YOU WHAT THEY CALLED THE BLACKS IN THOSE DAYS, . BUT LET'S BE REAL HERE. LET'S TRY TO HAVE A FRIENDLY CONVERSATION WITH THE DEVELOPER AND WORK IT OUT WHERE THIS IS APPLICABLE, THAT LAND BEHIND IT. USE THE LAND BEHIND IT. IF THAT BELONGS TO THE CITY, I COULD SEE US BUILDING MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND I CAN SEE US DOING PEOPLE SERVICES BECAUSE I USED THEM BEFORE AND HELP THEM PEOPLE, SERVICES AND COX AND SO ON. BURBANK CENTER IS BEAUTIFUL. I LIKE WHERE IT'S GOING. ROUNDABOUT TO GET IN AND OUT TRAFFIC. THE ONLY OTHER THING I'LL SAY AND GIVE MY TIME UP HERE IS THINK ABOUT IT. THERE'S GONNA BE A FIRE AT SOME POINT. WHERE AM I GONNA GO? YOU THINK I'M GONNA DRIVE OUT WHERE ALL THE CORDS ARE GOING OR IS THERE GONNA BE A GATE THERE? I'M JUMPING IN MY CAR AND I'M DRIVING STRAIGHT TO THE BOULEVARD AND PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO WALK THERE RATHER THAN WALK ALL THE WAY AROUND AND GET TO THE BUS STEEPLE. YOU KNOW WHERE THE BUS STEEPLE IS AND MANY OF YOU TOOK YOUR TIME TO GO DOWN THERE. SO I THINK THAT'S WONDERFUL THAT YOU TOOK YOUR TIME TO LOOK AT THE SITE AND ANYTHING YOU CAN DO WOULD BE HELPFUL. SO I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TONIGHT. WE CAN DO SOME THINGS. WE CAN'T ASK THE DEVELOPER TO SIT DOWN. I'D BE WILLING TO SPEND MY TIME SITTING WITH A TASK FORCE TO COME BACK TO YOU AND SAY, HERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA WORK. THESE FAMILIES ARE GONNA FEEL PART OF THE COMMUNITY NOT FEELING LIKE THEY'RE IN A HOUSING PROJECT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, GREG. NEXT WE HAVE THERESA. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU. UM, I'VE LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR ONLY A YEAR AND A HALF, SO I DON'T HAVE A HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE THAT SOME OF MY OTHER NEIGHBORS DO. SO I HAVE JUST OUT OF FIVE PARAGRAPHS, A LETTER FROM, UM, MY NEIGHBOR ANN GARDNER, WHO COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT, ASKED ME TO READ, BUT I'M ONLY GONNA READ TWO BECAUSE MR. HOOPER TALKED ABOUT CAL FIRE. SHE SAYS, OUT MY BACKYARD IS THE RIVERVIEW OPEN SPACE PRESERVE A STEEP HILLSIDE WITH GRASS AND HERITAGE OAKS. THIS HILLSIDE CAUGHT FIRE ON JULY 4TH NEAR TURNBERRY COURT IN 2016, RESPONDING BATTALION CHIEF SHOCK, WHO IS NOW PETALUMA FIRE CHIEF WAS QUOTED IN THE NEWSPAPER [02:25:01] ARTICLE AS SAYING THAT THE ONLY REASON THE HILLSIDE FIELD AND PERHAPS EVEN A HOME DID NOT GO UP IN FLAMES WAS DUE TO IT HAVING BEEN A DAMP MISTY NIGHT. AND SHE REFERENCES THE ARTICLE FINALLY. THE OTHER I THINK, IMPORTANT PARAGRAPH THAT SHE TALKS ABOUT IS ABOUT, UM, PARKS. I ALSO FIND IT VERY CONCERNING THAT WITH ALL THE NEW AND EXPANDING NEIGHBORHOODS IN SOUTHWEST PETALUMA, THERE HAS BEEN NO CORRESPONDING LAND SET ASIDE FOR ACCESSIBLE PARKS LIKE THERE ALREADY IS IN MOST OF THE REST OF THE TOWN. GREEN PARKS CAN BE DEVELOPED WITH NATIVE GRASSES AND OTHER MEASURES NOWADAYS TO MITIGATE WATER USE AND WILL NOT ONLY ENHANCE OUR WELLBEING, BUT ALSO HELP ABSORB CARBON AND HEAT, ALL OF WHICH ARE STATED FRAMEWORK GOALS TO OUR TOWN'S PLANNING. SO WHY ARE THE RESIDENTS IN OUR PART OF TOWN NOT ENTITLED TO THESE BASIC RIGHTS OF SAFETY AND WELLBEING? AND THIS IS FROM ANN GARDNER. THANK YOU. OKAY. SORRY, WE'VE ALL BEEN HAVING MIC ISSUES THIS WHOLE NIGHT. THEY KEEP FLICKERING ON THEN FLICKERING OFF, THEN ON AND BACK ON. UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT IS STEVE HARRIS, FOLLOWED BY GREG THRASH. YEAH, GOOD EVENING. EXCUSE ME. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TONIGHT. UH, MY NAME IS STEVE HARRIS. I'M A CAR, A FIELD REPRESENTATIVE FOR CARPENTER'S LOCAL 7 51 IN SANTA ROSA, REPRESENTING OVER 1400 MEMBERS. I AM HERE WITH CONCERNS THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WITH ALL DEVELOPMENTS, INCLUDING THIS ONE IN FRONT OF US TONIGHT. THERE WAS A STUDY RELEASED BY THE UC, BERKELEY THAT SHOWS THAT 30%, 36% OF WORKING FAMILIES IN CALIFORNIA ARE ON SOME TYPE OF SUPPORTIVE PROGRAM IN CONSTRUCTION. 48% OF OUR WORKERS ARE ON SOME TYPE OF SUPPORTIVE PROGRAM. WHY ARE STANDARDS LESS FOR CONSTRUCTION WORKERS WHEN WE ARE THE ONES THAT BUILD THE BUSINESSES THAT WE ALLOW US TO HAVE BUILDINGS TO WORK IN AND HOLD OUR PUBLIC MEETINGS TO SAY AGAIN, THAT IS 48% OF CONSTRUCTION WORKERS AND THEIR FAMILIES DEPEND ON SOME TYPE OF PROGRAM THAT IS COSTING TAXPAYERS MONEY. THEIR COST OF THE PROJECTS AREN'T CALCULATED INTO THEIR DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE IT'S THE COMMUNITY THAT'S PAYING THE PRICE. MY CONCERNS, WILL THERE BE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CONTRACTOR AS HAS, UH, APPRENTICESHIP A LIVABLE WAGE, A LOCAL HIRE, OR EVEN HEALTH QUICK CARE FOR THE WORKERS THAT ARE BUILDING THE PROJECT? THANKS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NOW, GREG THRASH FOLLOWED BY CHANTEL SMITH. HELLO. UM, I GUESS FIRST AND FOREMOST, I'D LIKE TO JUST AGREE WITH WHAT GREG SAID EARLIER. I THINK, UH, FROM MY POINT OF VIEW AND, AND MY WIFE, I THINK THAT PROPERTY, IF THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO BUILD, UH, SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING, I I THINK THAT'S GREAT. UH, MY COMPLAINT IS LARGELY, I LIVE AT THE CORNER OF MISSION AND ROA, WHICH IS AT THE TOP OF A HILL. SO ALL OF THE TRAFFIC THAT'S COMING IN AND OUT OF THAT, UH, THAT DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO DRIVE DIRECTLY BY MY HOUSE. AND, UH, SINCE UH, JACQUELINE WAS OPENED TO THE QUARRY HEIGHTS DEVELOPMENT, THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT GOES BY OUR HOUSE HAS INCREASED PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY. AND UM, I UNDERSTAND THERE WAS A TRAFFIC STUDY DONE AT SOME POINT, UH, ON ONE OF THOSE ROADS, BUT PROBABLY WHAT ISN'T REFLECTED IN THAT TRAFFIC STUDY IS THAT A LARGE PROPORTION OF PEOPLE COMING UP VENA AND TURNING RIGHT ON MISSION AND GOING DOWN THE HILL ARE NOT STOPPING AT THE STOP SIGN THERE. THEY'RE JUST KIND OF, YOU'RE GOING UP A HILL, YOU HAVE SOME MOMENTUM AND YOU WANT TO GO AROUND THAT CORNER. AND THAT'S THE BEST CASE SCENARIO. UM, SO THERE IS, I, I MEAN, IT'S GONNA SOUND CRAZY, BUT LIKE, JUST THIS MORNING BACKING OUT OF OUR DRIVEWAY, SOMEBODY CAME AROUND THE, THE CORNER AND WE BOTH STOPPED AND IT WAS FINE. BUT I HAVE TWO TEENAGE KIDS THAT ARE GONNA BE COMING IN AND OUT OF OUR DRIVEWAY. AND SO, UH, THE WAY I LOOK AT IT, UM, THERE'S JUST A BETTER PROBABILITY THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE OF SOME KIND OF A TRAFFIC INCIDENT AT THAT LOCATION. AND, UM, SO WE'RE ONE THING, BUT IF YOU LOOK RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM US, THERE'S A RIVERVIEW PARK AND, UH, FREQUENTLY PEOPLE ARE COMING AND TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT PARK. AND IT'S LARGELY, UH, PEOPLE WHO HAVE SMALL CHILDREN WHO ARE, BECAUSE OF THE PLAY STRUCTURE THERE IS SUITED FOR SMALL CHILDREN. AND SO [02:30:01] I WOULD JUST SAY THAT, UM, EVEN UNDER THE BREAST CIRCUMSTANCES, NOT ALLOWING THOSE PEOPLE TO EXIT TO PETALUMA BOULEVARD VIA SOME OTHER WAY IS JUST INCREASING THE CHANCES THAT WE'LL HAVE SOME KIND OF AN INCIDENT OUT THERE. AND SO THAT'S MY, MY PRIMARY CONCERN. THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, NEXT WE HAVE CHANTELLE SMITH, FOLLOWED BY TOM STARK. SORRY. HI, I'M CHANTELLE. THANK YOU. I'M REALLY NERVOUS. SO, UM, BEAR WITH ME IF I STUTTER AND I OBVIOUSLY FEEL VERY EMOTIONAL. UM, AND TIED TO THIS PROJECT, I AM THE DOG PARK NEIGHBOR . UM, I, UH, A THIRD GENERATION PETALUMA. I'VE LIVED IN THE HOME SINCE 2010. MY HUSBAND AND I BOUGHT IT. WE WERE AMONGST THE FIRST IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN LENNAR TOOK OVER. WHEN WE BOUGHT THAT LOT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE FULLY AWARE OF THE RADIO TOWER AND WE WERE ASSURED BY THE DEVELOPER LENNAR AT THAT TIME THAT THAT LOT WOULD BE, UH, THAT ONE UNIT THAT THE RADIO TOWER DIDN'T WANNA SELL. AND IF THEY DID, IT COULD ONLY BE DEVELOPED INTO FOUR UNITS. AND THAT'S IN 2010. SO HERE, FLASH FORWARD TO 2024, AND HERE WE ARE. AND I THINK EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM COULD AGREE THAT THE LOT DENSITY AND INCREASEMENT IN JUST THOSE SHORT YEARS IS BEYOND ANYBODY'S REASONABLE EXPECTATION OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN IN THAT LOT. AND THE FACT THAT IT WOULD NOT BE. AND LOOK, I'M AS BLEEDING HARD AS IT COMES. I WANT EVERYBODY TO HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO AFFORDABLE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING CLOSE TO MY HOME, BUT WHAT I AM OPPOSED TO IS THAT IT'S NOT OWNER OCCUPIED HOUSING. PEOPLE IN SONOMA COUNTY AND PETALUMA, THEY WANT AFFORDABLE HOUSES TO BUY, NOT RENT. AND WE ARE HAVING THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT AS KEY HOLD IN TO A SINGLE FAMILY OWNER DEVELOPMENT. SO THE EFFECTS ON US AS THE CURRENT ORIGINAL RESIDENTS AND THEN ALSO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA BE MOVING INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE THIS IS A ROAD AS SOCIETY. WE'VE BEEN DOWN MANY TIMES TO TRYING TO ADDRESS HOUSING AND AND AFFORDABILITY FOR ALL OF CALIFORNIA AND SONOMA COUNTY RESIDENTS. YOU KNOW, I HAVE BIG ISSUE WITH THE DOG PARK. THE MOST IS SMELL. YOU SAID YOURSELF, SMELL AND SOUND RISES. I'M GONNA BE UP ABOVE THAT AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE POTENTIALLY 32 PLUS DOGS. AND I LIKE DOG PARK BETTER THAN FECES RELIEF AREA. I MEAN, COME ON, THIS IS 25 FEET FROM MY CHILDREN'S BEDROOMS. OKAY? SAME WITH THE REFUGE. IT'S THE SOUND AND THE SMELL. IT'S NOT THE SIGHT, IT'S THE SOUND AND THE SMELL THAT WILL SEVERELY IMPACT THE QUALITY OF LIFE. AND I WOULD ARGUE HAVE SEVERE IMPACT ON MY HEALTH AND SAFETY AND THE FIRE. I ASK YOU TO COME INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND PROVE THAT EMERGENCY VEHICLES CAN PASS THROUGH WHEN THERE'S CARS PARKED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET. WE ALL HEARD TONIGHT THAT THERE'S ONE GUEST PARKING SPOT. WHERE DO YOU THINK THOSE CARS ARE GONNA PARK? THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE FRIENDS OVER. IS THAT GONNA BE IN THE RULES? YOU NEED TO COME TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND PROVE TO US. THERE'S A LOT OF TALK HERE ABOUT CONCESSIONS AND WAIVERS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT, UM, AND PROOF OF BURDEN, BUT WHERE, WHO, WHO'S GONNA PROVE TO THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY SAFE? YOU SAID 32 DEVELOPMENTS IS GONNA INCREASE THE TRAFFIC BY JUST 14%. I BELIEVE THAT'S A, A, A NUMBER MR. JANAK EMAILED ME TO ME. AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT. AND I THINK THAT THE BURDEN ON PROOF AS I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE PAID, PAID CONSULTANTS, ELECTED OFFICIALS, BUT THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON YOU TO PROVE TO US THAT THIS IS A SAFE DEVELOPMENT. I'M SORRY, YOUR TIME'S UP. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, NEXT WE HAVE TOM FOLLOWED BY GARY. HI, I'M TOM STARKEY. I LIVE AT 2 2 10. JACQUELINE LANE. I'M THE GUY ABOVE THE DUMPSTER. UM, ONE THING I DON'T THINK YOU GUYS MENTIONED, YOU GUYS TALKED ABOUT THE CONCESSIONS, BUT THE, THE DEVELOPER ALSO RECEIVED SOME WAIVERS. WAIVERS ON USABLE SPACE. THEY GOT TO DECREASE THE USABLE SPACE THAT WOULD BE IN OUR BUILDING CODE, THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT. THEY'RE ABLE TO EXCEED THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT, AND THEY'RE ALSO GETTING CON SET WAIVERS ON SETBACKS. THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO BE CLOSER TO THE PROPERTY LINE. SO I DON'T KNOW. I'VE BEEN IN COMMERCIAL CONSTRUCTION FOR 30 YEARS. THIS IS GONNA BE A BIG STRUCTURE ON A SMALL PIECE OF LAND. AND, UM, LAUREN ALEXANDER IS A VERY PLEASANT LADY AND WE'VE TRIED TO BRING OUT UP TOPICS WITH HER AND EVERYTHING. I DON'T KNOW THAT SHE'S BEEN ABLE TO MAKE HEADWAY ON ANY OF 'EM REALLY. IT'S BEEN ALL ABOUT IT DOESN'T PENCIL. THAT'S BEEN PRETTY MUCH THE RESPONSE. UM, AND I KNOW FROM MY EXPERIENCE, ANY DESIGN ISSUES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, LIKE THE DOG PARK, IT'S, [02:35:01] IT'S ALL ABOUT THE REDESIGN FEES. THAT'S, THAT'S THE BIG OBSTACLE IS IT'S EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE TO DO ANY REDESIGN WORK ONCE YOU'VE ALREADY GOT A WORKING DESIGN. SO I THINK THAT'S IT. AND THEN I I I WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW UP THAT, UM, PACIFIC WEST COMMUNITIES, UH, THOUGH IT'S A NOBLE MISSION, UM, PROBABLY THE LION'S SHARE OF THEIR WORK IS DONE WITH, UH, NON PREVAILING WAGE LABOR. AND I DON'T THINK THAT IS A, MOST TIMES THAT'S NOT GONNA BE A LIVABLE WAGE. AND, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIVING STANDARDS AND PERCENTAGES, AND I THINK, UM, WE'RE KIND OF HYPOCRITICAL, YOU KNOW, GOING AT IT THAT WAY THOUGH, WHAT THEY'VE DONE, THEY'RE ENTITLED TO WITH THESE CONCESSIONS. AND BY SB 300, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ENTITLED TO USE NON VALENT WAGE LABOR AND TO GET THESE CONCESSIONS. YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF REALLY A, A TOUGH ONE FOR EVERYBODY INVOLVED. ANYWAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND NOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE GARY, WHO HAS MULTIPLE SPEAKER CARDS TO GIVE HIM, I BELIEVE IT'S 12 MINUTES. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. DO A LITTLE SONG AND DANCE, I GUESS. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, SPEAK TONIGHT. I AM GARY INGER. I'M A RESIDENT OF RIVERVIEW NEIGHBORHOOD AND ONE OF THE ORGANIZERS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP THAT, UH, HAS COME TO BE. UH, I'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT DO, OR SPECIFICALLY WHAT YOU CAN'T, AND I APPRECIATE THAT. I UNDERSTAND IT, I GET IT. YOUR HANDS ARE TIED. SB THREE 30 AS IT IS, IS PROBABLY REAL HELPFUL TO A LOT OF PEOPLE, BUT ALSO MAYBE A BIT OF A HINDRANCE IN OTHER CASES. UM, BUT IT IS WHAT, WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH, AND I GET IT. UM, I DO BELIEVE THAT THE ISSUE AT HAND IS, IS A SAFETY ISSUE. AND IT MIGHT BE ONE THAT WE CAN ACT ON AND THAT YOU CAN ACT ON. UH, I BELIEVE THERE'S A REAL DANGER EVEN WITH THE EASEMENT POSSIBLY BEING AVAILABLE IN THE EVENT OF AN EVACUATION. UM, I HAVE A PREPARED STATEMENT. IT'S BEEN TORN UP AND MARKED ON. I'D LIKE TO CONTINUE WITH IT BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF THE POINTS STILL MIGHT BE WORTH CONSIDERING. UM, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD UNDERSTANDS THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING CRISIS IN THE STATE, SPECIFICALLY IN THE CITY OF PETALUMA. OUR POSITION HAS NEVER BEEN NOT IN MY BACKYARD. HOWEVER, AS YOU'VE HEARD HERE TONIGHT, UH, FROM THE START, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAS A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROPOSED VENA LANE PROJECT. THERE'S ALSO A VERY REAL LEVEL OF FEAR SHOULD THIS PROJECT PROCEED IN ITS CURRENT STATE. UM, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE CITY OF PETALUMA MAY BE LIABLE SHOULD THERE BE A DISASTER? I DON'T KNOW. LEGAL QUESTION. UM, EVERYONE'S AWARE OF THE DEVASTATING NORTHERN CALIFORNIA FIRES THAT UNFORTUNATELY HAVE BECOME AN ALL TOO REAL REALITY TO FEAR WHEN LIVING IN THIS PART OF THE STATE. THE RAVINA LANE PROJECT INTENSIFIES THAT FEAR FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS. ONE, INCREASING THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE LIVING NEAR A HIGH FIRE AREA IN A DENSELY PACKED COMPLEX INCREASES THE CHANCES OF FIRES, UM, AND NOT INCLUDING A PERMANENT INGRESS OR EGRESS ROUTES TO THE COMPLEX, WHICH COULD BE DISASTROUS IN THE EVENT OF AN EMERGENCY SITUATION. NOT SO MUCH NECESSARILY FOR THE RAVINA, UH, LANE PROJECT INHABITANTS, BUT FOR ALL THE PEOPLE UP THE HILL QUARRY AND BEYOND THAT LIVE ABOVE THERE, THERE'S BASICALLY TWO WAYS OUT. AND, UH, IN AN EVACUATION AND AN EMERGENCY, I DON'T THINK THINGS ARE ALWAYS AS ORDERLY AS THEY MIGHT BE IN A, IN A PRACTICE RUN. UM, IF THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAD BEEN INVITED TO THE TABLE TO BE A PART OF THE PLANNING PROCESS WITH THE DEVELOPER AND PERHAPS THE CITY OF PETALUMA PLANNERS, THIS POINT CLEARLY WOULD'VE BEEN OUR HIGHEST PRIORITY. WHILE THESE CONCERNS ARE SHARED BY ALL EXISTING NEIGHBORS, I THINK IT'S SAFE TO SAY THEY'D ALSO BE SHARED BY FUTURE RESIDENTS OF THE COMPLEX. I ALSO FEEL THE CITY OF PETALUMA WOULD MOST ASSUREDLY FAVOR A PROJECT THAT WAS SENSITIVE TO THE SAFETY OF CURRENT AND FUTURE COMMUNITY MEMBERS. THIS WASN'T THE CASE. WE DID MEET TWO TIMES WITH THE DEVELOPER'S CONSULTANT ONCE IN OUR HOME WITH A SMALL GROUP AND ONCE IN ANOTHER CITY FORUM CALLED KNOW BEFORE YOU GROW. AND IN ALL CASES, AND WITH NUMEROUS EMAIL EXCHANGES, OUR CONCERNS, OUR REQUESTS, SUGGESTIONS WENT UNHEATED. THE INFORMATION IN THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATIONS WERE THE SAME. THE RESPONSE TO ANY ASK WAS EITHER IT COULDN'T BE DONE BECAUSE IT HAD ALREADY BEEN APPROVED AS IT WAS, OR AS TOM SAID, IT WOULDN'T PENCIL. WE HEARD THAT A LOT, WHICH TO ME SOUNDS LIKE, SAY IT'S ANOTHER WAY OF SAYING THE DEVELOPER WOULD STAND TO MAKE LESS, UH, PROFIT WITH THE PROPOSED CHANGES. I THINK THAT AS IT, THAT THAT, UH, ATTITUDE HAS BECOME EVIDENT TONIGHT. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE POPPED UP SHOW VERY LITTLE THOUGHT. A DA AND GUEST PARKING WORK TRUCKS PROBABLY PARKED ON THE STREET. I HADN'T EVEN THOUGHT OF THAT. UM, CHARCOAL BARBECUES, REALLY, THEY'RE OUTLAWED UP IN TAHOE. UM, JUST LITTLE THOUGHT INTO THESE DETAILS. THE DEVELOPER STATES ON THEIR WEBSITE, WE LISTEN CAREFULLY TO THE DESIRES OF RESIDENTS, LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS. IN THE CASE OF THE RAVINA LANE APARTMENT PROJECT, THIS HAS [02:40:01] NOT BEEN TRUE. HAD WE BEEN INVITED TO THE TABLE, UH, OUR GROUP WOULD'VE SOUGHT A SOLUTION TO TRAFFIC NOISE AND PARKING CONCERNS. WE HAVE, WE CERTAINLY WOULD'VE TRIED. WITHOUT ADDITIONAL ACCESS ROADS TO THE RAVINA LANE SITE, THERE WILL CERTAINLY BE AN INCREASE THERE. THE PROPOSED TANDEM PARKING WITH NEIGHBORS SHARING AN ELONGATED SPACE, ONE BEHIND THE OTHER OF THE 51 SPOTS IS SURE TO BE INSUFFICIENT. AND ALTHOUGH IT WAS AMONG THE CONCESSIONS OR IT WAS ONE OF THE CONCESSIONS ASKED FOR BY PACIFIC COMPANIES, THERE'S LITTLE TO NO ACCOMMODATION FOR GUEST PARKING AT THE SITE. THE, THE ONE GUEST WHO'S ALLOWED TO COME, UM, THAT'S GONNA PUT MORE CARS AND TRUCKS ON THE STREET. AND ANY OF US WHO SAW THE FIRE TRUCKS ATTEMPTING TO NAVIGATE OUR STREETS LAST DECEMBER WHEN SANTA CLAUS CAME TO TOWN CRINGE WHEN WE ENVISIONED WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE IF THOSE TRUCKS WERE THERE TO DEAL WITH AN EMERGENCY AND NOT A CELEBRATION. IN THE MEANTIME, FROM THE HIGHWAY, YOU CAN SEE THE NEXT PHASE OF THE KB HOMES BEING BUILT AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL ABOVE OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. I I DROVE UP THERE RIGHT BEFORE THIS MEETING JUST TO MAKE SURE I KNEW WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. THERE ARE DOZENS OF THEM AND THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL EXIT ROUTES BEING PLANNED. COULD THEY ALL GET OUT DURING A, A CHAOTIC EVA EVACUATION? I DON'T THINK SO. AND WE DO HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, THE, THE FIRE, THE EVACUATION EXAMINATION. HAD WE BEEN INVITED TO THE PLANNING PHASE TABLE, WE WOULD'VE SOUGHT A SLIGHTLY SMALLER DENSITY BONUS. MAYBE 25 TO 26 UNITS I'VE LEARNED TONIGHT. I GUESS THAT WASN'T REALLY A POSSIBILITY. UM, IT'D BE NICE IF THE DEVELOPER CONSIDERED PUTTING SOMETHING MORE APPROPRIATE WITH SOME THOUGHT FOR SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS AS WELL. UM, WITH SMALLER UNIT OR SMALLER NUMBER OF UNITS, WE COULD HAVE BEEN AT TWO LEVELS INSTEAD OF THREE LESS DRAMATIC INFLUENCE TO THE COMMUNITY. UM, THERE WOULD BE A FEW SMALL, THERE ARE A FEW LESS AFFORDABLE UNITS IN THE CITY OF PETALUMA, THAT'S FOR SURE. AND THERE WOULD BE LESS OF A MARGIN OF PROFIT, I GUESS, FOR THE DEVELOPER. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, REDUCE NOISE TRAFFIC, IT'S A WIN-WIN FOR EVERYBODY INVOLVED, INCLUDING THE FUTURE RESIDENTS. SO IS IT TOO LATE TO DO THE RIGHT THING TO POTENTIALLY, POTENTIALLY SAVE LIVES IN AGAIN IN THE EVENT OF AN EMERGENCY EVACUATION? OR DOES SB THREE 30 EVEN SUPERSEDE THAT KIND OF A CONSIDERATION? CAN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNS STILL BE ADDRESSED? CAN WE WORK TOGETHER TO AGREE ON A PROJECT THAT DOESN'T COME WITH RAISED LEVELS OF FEAR AND ANXIETY FOR ALL OF US WHO ARE ALREADY LIVING IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD? CAN THE CITY OF PETALUMA INCREASE THE SUPPLY OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITHOUT COMPROMISING THE CHARACTER OF NEIGHBORHOODS? WE'RE ASKING FOR THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER TEMPORARILY DELAYING THIS PROJECT WHILE A SAFER AND A BETTER PLAN IS FORMULATED, WHERE ALL PARTIES REALLY ARE HEARD AND LISTENED TO, AND THAT WE ALL CAN CONTRIBUTE TO SOMETHING THAT WORKS FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REMIND FOLKS, UH, YOU CAN CERTAINLY APPLAUD EACH OTHER'S EFFORTS WITH SMILES AND OTHER NON-AUDIT AUDIBLE METHODS OR THUMBS UP AS YOU MAY PREFER. UH, NEXT WE HAVE BLAKE GEORGE, FOLLOWED BY DANIEL GUZMAN. HI EVERYONE. UH, THANKS FOR BEING HERE. I'LL KEEP THIS QUICK. UM, I'M BLAKE GEORGE. I'M THE UNFORTUNATE OWNER OF 74 RINA. UM, I HAVE THREE YOUNG DAUGHTERS. I'M ACTIVE DUTY, US COAST GUARD, 19 YEARS. UM, WHEN I BOUGHT THIS HOUSE EIGHT MONTHS AGO, I THOUGHT THIS WAS GONNA BE OUR FOREVER HOME WHERE WE'RE GONNA RAISE OUR DAUGHTERS, WE'RE GONNA SETTLE DOWN HERE. UM, NOW I'M SECOND GUESSING THAT THIS PROJECT, I MEAN, YOU'RE TURNING A DEAD END STREET WHERE WE'RE LITERALLY TEACHING OUR DAUGHTERS HOW TO RIDE THEIR BIKES INTO A BUSY, UH, ENTRANCE AND EXIT. AS YOU KNOW, THE PROPOSED ENTRANCE IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM OUR HOUSE, WHICH IS TERRIBLE. I THINK WE ARE THE WORST AFFECTED FOR THIS PROJECT. AND I, YOU HAVE MY COMPLETE DISAPPROVAL OF IT. THAT'S ALL I WOULD SAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, DANIEL GUZMAN, FOLLOWED BY CALLUM WEEKS. SO I GUESS TO START, GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. UH, MY NAME IS DAN GUZMAN. I LIVE AT 2 1 8 JACQUELINE LANE. AND SIMILAR TO BLAKE, I HAVE TWO YOUNG CHILDREN. AND THAT'S REALLY KIND OF THE, THE ORIGIN OF MY CONCERN FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT. YOU GUYS TALKED EARLIER ABOUT HEALTH AND SAFETY, AND I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF ATTEMPTS TODAY TO ESTABLISH CONFIDENCE THAT, THAT THOSE BOXES HAVE BEEN CHECKED. BUT AS A PARENT OF TWO YOUNG KIDS, I DON'T, I DON'T FEEL COMPLETELY CONFIDENT IN THAT PROCESS. AND LIKE WAS WHAT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, IT FEELS LIKE THE CURRENT RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN LARGELY, UH, DISCONNECTED FROM THE PROCESS. BOTH THE REVIEW AND THE, THE DESIGN [02:45:01] AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT GOES INTO IT. AS I LEARNED A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE PROJECT, I HAVE A LOT MORE QUESTIONS. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE SESSION TONIGHT AND THE INSIGHTS YOU GUYS WERE ABLE TO SHARE. THAT WAS INCREDIBLY HELPFUL. UM, BUT SOME OF THE QUESTIONS I STILL HAD THAT I FEEL LIKE WE AS RESIDENTS SHOULD, SHOULD HAVE ANSWERS TO. AND I THINK QUITE FRANKLY, ALL OF US IN THIS ROOM SHOULD DO MORE DEAL DUE DILIGENCE ON, OR ITEMS AROUND LIKE THE TRAFFIC REPORT BACK IN MARCH. THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF, YOU KNOW, I HEARD THAT THE RATINGS DIDN'T, THEY DIDN'T JUSTIFY DEEPER INVESTIGATION. BUT ALSO KEEP IN MIND DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME, THERE'S DOZENS OF HOMES AT THE TOP OF THE HILL WITH KP HOMES DEVELOPMENT THAT HADN'T BEEN FINISHED. SO THERE'S CONSTANTLY INCREASES IN TRAFFIC TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD EVERY SINGLE DAY. IT WAS A PERIOD OF TIME WHETHER WEATHER WAS REALLY POOR. SO PEOPLE JUST DON'T DRIVE, YOU KNOW, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WEEK. IF YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET OUT IN A BAD RAINSTORM, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GO OUT. UM, AND THEN THE FACT THAT LIKE, PEOPLE ARE ON WINTER VACATIONS, PEOPLE ARE DOING SKI TRIPS, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE RAIN HERE, IT'S SNOWING THERE IN, IN TAHOE. SO MY CONCERN IS, WE, WE LOOKED QUICKLY, WE GOT A COUPLE OF DATA POINTS THAT STRENGTHEN THE NARRATIVE OF FOLKS WHO WOULD LOOKING TO MAKE A PROFIT. AND WE'RE NOT TAKING THE ACTUAL TIME NEEDED TO ENSURE THAT OUR COMMUNITY'S SAFE, BOTH MYSELF, MY FAMILY, BUT ALSO THE FUTURE RESIDENTS, WHICH I THINK A LOT OF THE PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT HAVE ADDRESSED AS WELL. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 32 UNITS. YOU KNOW, I, I HAVEN'T SEEN THE ESTIMATES IN TERMS OF LIKE HOW MANY PEOPLE THEY EXPECT IN EACH UNIT, BUT MY GUESSTIMATE WOULD BE PROBABLY TWO PEOPLE PER BEDROOM. I KNOW THAT'S THE MAX PER I THINK THE STATE OR THE, THE FEDERAL ALLOTMENT. AND OFTENTIMES IT'S GONNA BE REALISTICALLY MORE. I COME FROM A FAMILY SIMILAR TO GREG'S THAT, YOU KNOW, FIVE KIDS. THERE'S TWO OF US, UH, THREE OF US IN THE BEDROOM. THAT'S NOT UNCOMMON. SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DO THE QUICK MATH, IF THERE'S 60 BEDROOMS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 120 PEOPLE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, A NEIGHBORHOOD OF CURRENTLY ABOUT 40 PEOPLE. LIKE HOW DOES THAT LOGICALLY WORK? AND HAVE, WE THOUGHT THROUGH ALL THE LOGISTICS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE DYNAMICS, THE EVACUATION SCENARIOS ARE INCREDIBLY CRITICAL AS WELL, IN ADDITION TO DANGEROUS STREETS WHERE YOUR KIDS MIGHT GET HIT BY A CAR NOW THAT HAVE A HUGE SPIKE IN TRAFFIC. WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT HOW DO WE QUICKLY ESCAPE A REGION THAT IS DENSELY POPULATED, BECOMING MORE DENSELY POPULATED AND OVERNIGHT MULTIPLYING BY POTENTIALLY THREE OR FOUR X. SO A LOT OF QUESTIONS, NOT A LOT OF ANSWERS YET. AND MY ASK IS SIMPLY MORE TIME AND CONSIDERATION AROUND BOTH, UH, EVACUATION ROUTES AND, AND POTENTIAL DENSITY. AND I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS AROUND THE ASSET. THE DEVELOPERS LIKE TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND, AND DO THE RIGHT, UH, LEVEL OF DUE DILIGENCE, ENSURE IT'S TRULY SAFE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I UNDERSTAND THE, I UNDERSTAND THE PASSION, BUT PLEASE KEEP IT TO, SORRY, I THOUGHT YOU SAID IT WAS, UM, CAL WEEKS FOLLOWED BY MIKE AND MIKE. I CAN'T READ YOUR LAST NAME, OTHERWISE I WOULD, BUT IT STARTS WITH AN S THANK YOU. I'LL KEEP THIS, UH, BRIEF, UH, CAL WEEKS, UH, POLY REGENERATION HOUSING. YOU KNOW, I JUST LIKE TO START BY NOTING THAT, YOU KNOW, FIRST AND FOREMOST I DO SYMPATHIZE WITH EVERYONE HERE. UH, YOU KNOW, THESE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS ARE OFTEN REALLY DIFFICULT TO, YOU KNOW, TO, TO RATIONALIZE AND TO, TO, YOU KNOW, I GUESS ENVISION AND, AND ESPECIALLY AS IT RELATES TO SAFETY. BUT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO KNOW, I HAVE TWO FRIENDS THAT LIVE HERE IN PETALUMA THAT ARE CURRENTLY LIVING IN HOMES WHERE IT'S A THREE BEDROOM AND THERE'S FOUR PEOPLE LIVING IN 'EM. THAT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN A HOME. AND THESE ARE SMALL HOMES. PETALUMA HAS SOME BIG HOMES, BUT THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF SMALL HOMES. WE HAVE A SERIOUS OVERCROWDED CONDITION HERE, NOT IN JUST PETALUMA, BUT IN SONOMA COUNTY ALONE, OR SONOMA COUNTY ALTOGETHER. AND SO, AT THE END OF THE DAY, LIKE WE, WE NEED THESE AFFORDABLE UNITS. UH, WE NEED TO GET PEOPLE INTO CONDITIONS WHERE THEY'RE NOT IN, YOU KNOW, SHARING A, A A, A SHARED SPACE AND, AND FEELING LIKE THERE'S JUST NO ROOM TO BREATHE. AND I, I'M DIGRESSING FROM, FROM THE PRIMARY POINT, WHICH I, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE, AND I KNOW OBVIOUSLY YOU ALL KNOW THIS AND IT HAS BEEN STATED TONIGHT, BUT I WOULD BE REMISS FROM MY POSITION AND MY ROLE AND MY, MY, YOU KNOW, UH, PASSION. IF I, I DIDN'T KNOW THE STATE DENSITY BONUS STATE LAWS, THEY'RE HERE FOR A REASON. WE ARE FACING A CHRONIC UNDERPRODUCTION OF HOUSING. ALL OF YOU KNOW THIS. EVERYONE KNOWS THIS. IT'S OUT THERE. IT'S IN THE NEWS ALL THE TIME. WE HAVE TO ACT. AND I REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO, TO MOVE FORWARD, SUPPORT THIS PROJECT. WE NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING. EVERY UNIT MATTERS. AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. UH, MIKE, FOLLOWED BY KATE. JUST WANNA, UH, SAY THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO OUR CONCERNS TONIGHT. THAT'S BEEN REALLY ENLIGHTENING AND I JUST WANNA BRING UP SOME, TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MY BACKGROUND. I HAVE, I HAD 42 YEARS WITH AT AND TI BUILT INFRASTRUCTURE TO EVERY BUILDING PROBABLY AROUND CALIFORNIA. SO, UM, I BUILT A LOT OF, UH, LOW INCOME HOUSING PROJECTS I WAS [02:50:01] INVOLVED WITH. AND EACH ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS, AND I'LL JUST TAKE ANDREW'S NUMBERS, A 1.7 PER UNIT. BUT THE REALITY IS THERE'S USUALLY THREE FAMILIES THAT MOVE INTO THOSE UNITS. SO YOU TIMES THREE TIMES 1.7, THAT'S 5.1 CARS, 5.1 CARS TIMES 32 IS 161 ACCORDING TO MS. THOMPSON THERE, WHERE DO YOU THINK ALL THOSE CARS ARE GONNA PARK ON OUR STREETS? SO THAT'S A REAL CON SAFETY CONCERN I HAVE. AND THEN ALSO TOO, YOU BROUGHT UP THE KNOX GATE SINCE, UH, I WAS PART OF THE SAFETY COMMISSION IN, IN THE, AT T THE NOX GATES CAN DEFINE WHAT FIRE LIGHTS YOU HAVE OR POLICE LIGHTS, THEY CAN OPEN THE GATES AUTOMATICALLY. SO IF THAT'S AN ISSUE FOR VEA, OPENING THAT GATE THERE AND PUTTING THE GATE IN, YOU CAN GET ONE OF THOSE NOX GATES THAT WILL IDENTIFY FIRE. THEY ONLY HAVE TO GET OUT THE LIGHTS, WILL WILL AUTOMATICALLY OPEN THE GATE AND WILL THAT VEA GOING TO PETALUMA BOULEVARD BE PAVED? 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT. AND SO YOU TALK ABOUT PEDESTRIANS AND BIKES GOING ON THAT. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S A SAFETY CONCERN. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, KATE, WHO IS BY THE WAY, OUR LAST ONE. SO IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTED TO GIVE PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE DROP YOUR YELLOW SLIP OFF WITH ARIEL. HI, MY NAME IS KATE BYRNE. I'M THE OWNER OF THREE VEA LANE AS WELL AS 1450 PETALUMA BOULEVARD. SO I ACTUALLY OWN THAT EASEMENT FROM THE BOULEVARD, UM, UP TO WHERE THE FIRE GATE AT RO BEFORE VEA CONTINUES ON. I DON'T WANT THIS DEVELOPMENT TO USE MY PROPERTY AT ALL. AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE PREVIOUS OWNER WHO OWNED THE RADIO TOWER LOT DIDN'T WORK WITH THE CITY PREVIOUSLY SO THAT THEY COULD HAVE ACCESS WITH THEIR TWO BRAND NEW CITY ROADS WITH THE TOP OF ROA AND JACQUELINE THERE. AND NOW I HAVE TO BE PUNISHED BECAUSE IT WASN'T PLANNED PROPERLY TO BEGIN WITH. THIS EASEMENT IS OLD, OLD EASEMENT WHEN MY PROPERTY THAT I AM ON WAS ONE WHOLE FARM, HORSE FARM PROPERTY PRIOR TO ANY HOUSES BEING THERE. AND THIS WAS JUST TO ALLOW THEM TO OBVIOUSLY GET TO THIS ONE LOT WITH NO BUILDING ON IT. AND THEN WHEN CITI WENT IN, THAT IS NOW THEIR NEW ACCESS. SO IT SHOULDN'T HAVE TO IMPACT ME FROM BAD PLANNING FROM BEGINNING. UM, ALSO IF YOU'RE PLANNING ON HAVING, I I'M, I'M WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THE ROAD 'CAUSE I'M THE PROPERTY OWNER. SO NOW AM I RESPONSIBLE FOR PICKING UP EVERYBODY'S POOP AND BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR SOMEBODY FALLING OFF THEIR BIKE? OR HOW IS THAT GONNA BE MAINTAINED? BECAUSE THAT'S MY PROPERTY, NOW I'M LIABLE. UM, I ALSO DON'T, AND I'M LIKE THINKING IF YOU HAVE THE CITY LOT THERE, YOU HAVE TWO CITY LOTS, YOU HAVE THE EMPTY LOT AND THEN YOU HAVE COTS. WHY CAN'T THAT BE YOUR NEW ACCESS TO THE LOW INCOME HOUSING THAT THE CITY WANTS? IF YOU WANT IT, USE YOUR PROPERTY TO HAVE ACCESS TO IT. UH, UM, OTHER THAN THAT, PROBABLY MY EX THAT WAS YELLING EVERYBODY TO GET OFF THE PROPERTY AND STOP PICKING OUR BLACKBERRIES , WE STOP EVERYBODY FROM COMING UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD ALREADY. THAT THAT'S JUST THE WAY WE WANT IT. WE BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY WHEN IT WAS COUNTY PRIOR TO IT BEING CITY. UH, THE SAME AS POOR BLAKE WHO JUST BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY . UM, WE DIDN'T EXPECT THAT BUYING COUNTY WOULD NOW BE A 32 DEVELOPMENT APARTMENT COMPLEX. THREE STORIES HIGH, LOOKING DOWN DIRECTLY INTO MY POOL. UM, I DO HAVE ONE HOUSE WHICH IS BLAKE'S WITH TWO WINDOWS, CHILDREN'S WINDOWS, TWO SMALL ONES AT THE TOP. AND THAT IS THE ONLY HOUSE THAT IS CURRENTLY ABLE TO LOOK DOWN INTO MY BACKYARD. SO I'M NOT HAPPY ABOUT MY PRIVACY, I'M NOT HAPPY ABOUT MY ROAD BEING USED. I'M NOT HAPPY ABOUT MY ROAD BEING STOLEN BECAUSE THEY WANNA TAKE THAT WHOLE CORNER LOT, WHICH IS NOW THEIRS, NO LONGER MINE. AND THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND NOW WE HAVE UH, GINA. GOOD EVENING. I JUST THREW MY NAME IN. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE [02:55:01] TREES OR I'M HOPING THE COUNCIL WILL ASK ABOUT THE TREES. UM, WE STOOD HERE, MY HUSBAND AND I, ABOUT 13 YEARS AGO IN FRONT OF THE CITY COUNCIL AT THE TIME BECAUSE OUR PROPERTY LINE, THERE WAS A VALLEY OAK, A PROTECTED VALLEY OAK RIGHT OVER OUR PROPERTY LINE. WE'RE AT ONE ONE MISSION DRIVE, HUGE TREE, A HUNDRED FEET TALL, 40 FEET WIDE. WE DIDN'T WANT THE TREE BECAUSE IT MEANT US REPLANTING EVERYTHING, SCOOTING OUR HOUSE WAY BACK. UM, WE WERE TOLD NO THE TREE STAYS AND THAT WE HAD TO CARE FOR THE TREE. SO WE WERE TOLD BY THE CITY COUNCIL, VALLEY OAKS ARE PROTECTED. SO I'D LIKE TO HAVE YOU GUYS FIND OUT. THEY QUICKLY SAID SOME OAKS ARE BEING TAKEN DOWN, OTHER OAKS ARE BEING PLANTED. IF, UM, I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF, IF THE PROTECTED VALLEY OAKS ARE GONNA BE TAKEN DOWN, IF THEY'RE AS HUGE AS WHAT'S IN FRONT OF OUR HOUSE, I THINK THEY NEED TO REVAMP THEIR PLAN NO MATTER WHAT IT COSTS. UM, I JUST WANNA SAY I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY AND THERE IS THAT TODDLER PARK RIGHT UP THE STREET. WE TAKE OUR GRANDKIDS UP THERE, THERE'S LITTLE KIDS RUNNING AROUND AND I AM CONCERNED IF THERE IS A FIRE WHEN I SEE WHAT HAPPENED OUT IN SANTA ROSA AND HOW IT WENT THROUGH A NEIGHBORHOOD AND LIKE ONE OF THE MEN SAID, WE'VE GOT NEW HOUSES BEING BUILT MORE AND MORE. I DROVE MY CAR UP THE OTHER DAY JUST KIND OF TO CHECK IT OUT 'CAUSE I LIVED DOWN BELOW AND THERE WERE TWO WORK VEHICLES, ONE ACROSS FROM THE OTHER. I COULD, I HAVE A LITTLE CAMRY I COULD BARELY GET THROUGH. I DO NOT KNOW HOW FIRETRUCK ARE GONNA GET UP THERE. I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT THE DEVELOPER THAT ARE MAKING MONEY, THEY ARE. YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE VENA. GO RIGHT OUT. WHAT ABOUT EVERYBODY ELSE UP THERE? WHAT ABOUT ALL THOSE PEOPLE? THOSE LIVES ARE AT RISK. WE SAW WHAT HAPPENED IN SANTA ROSA, SO THANK YOU. CHECK THE TREES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? GREAT. UM, WITH THAT WE WILL NOW COME BACK FOR DISCUSSION AND QUESTIONS. BEFORE WE GET INTO COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION THOUGH, ONE THING I DO WANT TO DO IS LET'S JUST TAKE CARE OF SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED BY THE PUBLIC IN THEIR COMMENTS. UH, WOULD STAFF BE WILLING TO COMMENT ON THE PROTECTED OAKS QUESTION? UH, SURE. YES. UH, VALLEY OAKS OR ANY OAK SPECIES GREATER THAN FOUR INCHES, UH, DIAMETER AT BREAST HEIGHT WOULD BE PROTECTED AND WOULD REQUIRE A A TREE PERMIT. AND THE APPLICANT HAS, UM, WITHIN THE SCOPE OF WORK, THEY'VE, UM, AND THROUGH THIS BAR, THEY'VE, UM, APPLIED FOR THAT TREE PERMIT, TREE REMOVAL PERMIT, I SHOULD SAY. THEY ALSO HAVE AN ARBUS REPORT, WHICH DOCUMENTS THE, THE FIVE TREES THAT WOULD BE, EXCUSE ME, EIGHT TREES THAT WOULD BE REMOVED, I BELIEVE, UM, I BELIEVE, UH, FIVE OR OAKS FOUR COAST LIVE AND ONE VALLEY. UH, HOWEVER, UM, THERE WOULD BE NO MITIGATION REQUIREMENT. UM, PER, UM, IZO CHAPTER 17. UM, REPLACEMENT TREES ARE NOT REQUIRED FOR RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS ON ONE PARCEL OR I, IT ACTUALLY IS, UM, I BELIEVE TWO PARCELS OR LESS. SO, UM, THEY DON'T NEED ANY MITIGATION, BUT THEY ARE PROPOSING 15 NEW TREES, SEVEN OF WHICH ARE ARE OAKS. OKAY. UM, AND I'M GONNA TRY AND GO THROUGH THESE QUICKLY. I JUST, I DON'T WANT ANYBODY COMING OUT OF THIS FEELING LIKE WE'RE NOT ADDRESSING SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED. UM, WE HAD ONE POINT ABOUT REDESIGN FEES. I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKED LIKE HERE IN PETALUMA, IF THAT WAS AN ACTUAL COST CONCERN. RIGHT. WE'RE ALL HAVING MIKE PROBLEMS TODAY. YEAH. OKAY. THERE WE GO. MAYBE IT'LL HANG WITH ME. SO, UH, WHEN I LISTENED TO THAT PUBLIC COMMENT, I FELT THAT THE COMMENTER WAS REFERRING TO THESIS ARCHITECTURAL FEES. MM-HMM THAT THE PROJECT WOULD BE ASSESSED BY THE PROJECT ARCHITECT, SO NOT REDESIGN FEES THAT THE CITY WOULD ASSESS AS PART OF ITS COST RECOVERY APPLICATION. SO FOR, FOR THE CITY, WHEN AN APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED, UM, WE DO RECOVER ALL COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH REVIEW OF THAT PROJECT. AND IF A PROJECT WAS REDESIGNED, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO REVIEW THE, THE RESUBMITTAL. AND SO THERE WOULD BE COST ASSOCIATED WITH PLANNING REVIEW OF A PROJECT THAT'S BEEN REDESIGNED. [03:00:01] BUT THEN AT THE SAME TIME, THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKELY INCUR, UM, ADDITIONAL FEES FROM THE APPLICANT'S ARCHITECT, CIVIL ENGINEER, UM, AND, AND OTHER, UM, DEVELOPMENT PROFESSIONALS RELATED TO THE REDESIGN OF THE PROJECT. OKAY. AND THEN, UH, WE'VE HAD A FEW COMMENTS WITH REGARDS TO LABOR REQUIREMENTS OR THE TYPE OF LABOR BEING USED FOR THE PROJECT. I HAVE IN PART BECAUSE I REMEMBER THE FIGHTS OVER THE PASSING OF SB THREE 30. I, I KNOW THAT WAS EXPLICITLY CUT OUT BY THE LEGISLATURE SO THAT THEY WOULDN'T RUN INTO THIS REQUIREMENT. I TAKE IT, AND I I HATE TO USE THIS FRAMING BECAUSE I KNOW THIS IS PROBABLY GETTING TIRING FOR EVERYBODY HERE, BUT I TAKE IT OUR HANDS ARE EFFECTIVELY TIED ON THE LABOR USE ISSUE IF IT'S GONNA ADD COST TO THE OVERALL PROJECT. RIGHT? WELL, THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE A POLICY OF REQUIRING, REQUIRING PREVAILING WAGE BE PAID FOR PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS. SO, UM, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO, WE WOULDN'T HAVE NEXUS TO CONDITION THE PROJECT TO, UM, EITHER USE A CERTAIN TYPE OF LABOR OR TO PAY PREVAILING WAGE. UM, AS FAR AS WE UNDERSTAND, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT FROM DENSITY BONUS OR SB THREE 30 TO, UH, PAY PREVAILING WAGE. I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, OTHER SOURCES OF FUNDING THAT THE PROJECT MIGHT BE RECEIVING WOULD, WOULD, UH, REQUIRE THAT OR NOT. SO THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. ALRIGHT. GOING TO THE APPLICANT IF, IF YOU COULD GIVE US INFORMATION ON ANY REQUIREMENTS FOR PREVAILING WAGE AND IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE AMENABLE TO. UH, THANK YOU. FURTHER QUESTION. UH, TYPICALLY WHAT DRIVES THE USE OF PREVAILING WAGES OR THE REQUIREMENT FOR PAYING PREVAILING WAGES IS THE FINANCING SOURCE THAT YOU USE. UM, THERE'S ALSO NOW STATE LAWS THAT, UM, REQUIRE THE USE OF THEM. SO SB 35 WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE OF TRIGGERING PREVAILING WAGES, AND THEN THERE ARE STATE PREVAILING WAGES AND THERE FEDERAL PREVAILING WAGES. AND THOSE ARE TRIGGERED IN DIFFERENT WAYS. THE PLAN CURRENTLY FOR THE PROJECT, UH, DOES NOT INCLUDE APPLYING FOR ANY FINANCING THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE USE OF PREVAILING WAGES. SO THAT'S THE ANSWER ON THAT. OKAY. UM, AND ONE COMMENT JUST TO MAKE FOR FOLKS WHO ARE HERE, UH, BECAUSE THERE ARE FEW COMMENTS THAT KIND OF LEANED IN THIS DIRECTION, BECAUSE WE'RE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WE CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON FINDINGS. WE CAN'T ACTUALLY MAKE CITY POLICY. SO ON THE PREVAILING WAGE FRONT, IF THAT POLICY ALREADY EXISTED, WE COULD LEVERAGE THAT. WE AS AN APPOINTED BODY BY, BY THE COUNCIL, CAN'T ACTUALLY MAKE THAT POLICY FROM HERE. I KNOW THAT SOUNDS LIKE PASSING THE BUCK, I'M JUST BEING HONEST ABOUT WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO IN THIS WAY. SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE'RE HAVING TO REVIEW THE PROJECT ON THAT LEVEL. UH, THANK YOU. UM, LET'S SEE. OH, FOLKS HAVE BEEN, HAVE BEEN BRINGING UP THE IDEA OF DELAYING THE DELAYING THIS SO THERE'S MORE DISCUSSION. UH, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF STAFF COULD SPEAK TO THE LIMITED TIMELINE THAT WE HAVE BECAUSE OF THE STREAMLINING METHOD THAT THIS PROJECT'S UNDERGOING. SURE. SO SB THREE 30, UM, PROVIDES FOR A MAXIMUM OF FIVE PUBLIC MEETINGS, UH, DURING THE COURSE OF A PROJECT'S REVIEW. SO WHEN WE RECEIVE AN SB THREE 30 APPLICATION, WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING AT THE, UM, THE NUMBER OF MEETINGS THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED IN STRATEGIZING TO ENSURE THAT ALL OF THE REQUIRED MEETINGS, INCLUDING A POTENTIAL APPEAL OF A PROJECT DECISION, UM, CAN BE COMPLETED WITHIN THAT FIVE MEETING LIMIT. SO I'M GOING TO LOOK TO THE, THE PROJECT PLANNER, MR. JANUS, TO ADVISE US ON HOW THIS PROJECT, UH, IS TRACKING WITH REGARD TO THAT FIVE MEETING LIMIT. YES. THANKS, ANDREW. UH, TO DATE, THE ONLY, UH, PUBLIC MEETING HAS BEEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, WHICH WAS, UM, AND THAT'S BECAUSE IT WAS A REQUIRED PUBLIC MEETING. SO, UM, THIS IS THE SECOND, UM, PUBLIC MEETING TOWARD THAT FIVE, UH, FIVE MEETING LIMIT. OKAY. SO BASED UPON THAT INFORMATION, THE PLANNING COMMISSION COULD CHOOSE TO CONTINUE, UH, THE PROJECT'S, PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING IF IT FELT THAT THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR, UM, THE APPLICANT AND, AND THE COMMUNITY TO WORK TOGETHER TO RESOLVE SOME OF THESE ISSUES. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, AND THEN, UH, I KNOW THIS PART OF THIS WAS BROUGHT UP AND THIS IS THE LAST ONE OF THE KIND OF FOLLOW UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT QUESTIONS I'LL HAVE, AND THEN I'LL KICK IT OVER TO OUR, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. UM, I KNOW SOME OF THIS WAS DISCUSSED IN THE PRESENTATION, BUT [03:05:02] WHAT IS THE FEASIBILITY OF MAKING BETTER USE OF THE CITY LAND ATTACHED TO THE SITE? IS THIS FAIRLY LOCKED IN THE WAY IT IS NOW, OR THERE WAYS WE CAN EASE PRESSURE ON THE DENSITY OF THE SITE WITH THE ATTACHED TO THE LAND? WELL AT, AT PRESENT, ALTHOUGH THE CITY CONTROLS THE LAND, I DON'T THINK THAT, UM, IT'S IN A NEAR TERM POSITION TO MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT DEVELOPMENT OF THAT LAND AND HOW IT MIGHT BE ABLE TO CONTRIBUTE TO, UH, THIS SITE. UM, PERHAPS LONG TERM THERE'S A STRATEGY. SURE. BUT, UH, SHORT TERM, IT'S OFF THE TABLE FOR US AS A COMMISSION TO BE ABLE TO CONSIDER IN THIS. GOT IT. CORRECT. ALRIGHT, WELL, WITH THAT, UM, TO FOLLOW UP ON, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE EMINENT DOMAIN. IS IT LEGAL FOR THE CITY TO DO THAT? OKAY. UH, ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO FLAG. WE, WE TYPICALLY DO NOT DO SHOUTED QUESTIONS FROM FOLKS. I JUST WANT YOU TO HEAR ME. I'M NOT SHOUTING. NO, NO, I, I, I GOT, I'VE GOT YOU, SIR. I AM GONNA ASK THIS QUESTION. I JUST PLEASE, FOR FOLKS WHO ARE HERE, THIS DOESN'T MEAN I'M THEN GOING TO ASK ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT COME UP THIS WAY, BUT I WILL ASK THE QUESTION ABOUT EMINENT DOMAIN. MIND YOU, KEEPING IN MIND PROPERTY OWNERS RIGHT HERE, I'M GONNA TURN TO OUR, UH, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE REPRESENTATIVE. YEAH, THANKS. SO THAT WOULD BE, WE WOULD NEED A POLICY DIRECTION FROM CITY COUNCIL. EMINENT DOMAIN WOULD BE INITIATING A LAWSUIT, SO WE WOULD NEED CLOSED SESSION, AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE THAT CURRENT POLICY IN PLACE RIGHT NOW OR DIRECTION, WHICH, WHICH WOULD MEAN THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THIS COMMISSION COULD CONSIDER AS A VIABLE OPTION. RIGHT. THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE OUR RECOMMENDATION. YEAH, GO AHEAD. JUST TO FLAG ONE MORE ITEM I HEARD IN THE QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT HEALTH AND SAFETY AND WE'VE HEARD ABOUT FROM FOLKS THAT ACTUALLY LIVE IN THE AREA DAY TO DAY ABOUT CHOKE POINTS WITH EMERGENCY VEHICLES, TRAFFIC. I MEAN, I THINK THE PARKING ON THE STREET IS KIND OF AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE AND SEEMS TO BE TO BE A SEPARATE ISSUE, BUT WE'VE HEARD FROM CITY ENGINEER, FIRE MARSHAL, KIND OF RELEVANT EXPERTS AS IT PERTAINS TO OUR FINDINGS AS A COMMISSION ABOUT THE CURRENT SUITABILITY OF THAT SPACE FOR EVACUATION. UH, WITHOUT KNOWING THE MOST ARTFUL WAY TO ASK THIS, WHAT WOULD WE NEED AS A COMMISSION TO MAKE FINDINGS THAT SAY, YOU KNOW, THOSE EXPERTS AT THE CITY ARE INCORRECT OR OR WRONG? UH, BECAUSE NO ONE UP HERE HAS THAT LEVEL OF EXPERTISE OR LICENSURE. UM, SO IN THE RECORD, WHERE WOULD WE BE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE FINDINGS? AND AS MUCH AS I APPRECIATE THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE GIVING US ANECDOTALLY WHAT THEY EXPERIENCE, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT COMES INTO PLAY TO HELP US MAKE THAT DECISION OR, YOU KNOW, REALISTICALLY HAVING SEEN THIS BEFORE OR SIMILAR SITUATIONS, WHAT OPTIONS ARE EVEN ON THE TABLE? YEAH, I CAN, LEMME TRY TO ANSWER A LITTLE BIT, AND, SORRY, I MISSED THE FRONT END OF YOUR QUESTION. UH, BUT FOR BOTH THE DENSITY BONUS LAW AND SB THREE 30, IT WOULD REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ADVERSE IMPACT. AND HOW THEY DEFINE ADVERSE IMPACT IS SIGNIFICANT, QUANTIFIABLE, DIRECT, AND UNAVOIDABLE IMPACT BASED ON OBJECTIVE IDENTIFIED WRITTEN PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY STANDARDS, POLICIES, OR CONDITIONS AT THE TIME THAT THE PROJECT WAS COMPLETE. SO I THINK HERE, OUR EXPERTS, THE FIRE MARSHAL, THE EMERGENCY PLANNER, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, THEY WERE BASING IT ON THE CURRENT POLICIES AND STANDARDS. UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE HA CURRENTLY IS ANY KIND OF REBUTTABLE EVIDENCE. UM, THERE'S DEFINITELY ANECDOTES, BUT I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE WRITTEN PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY STANDARDS AND POLICIES TO TRY TO CONTRADICT THOSE, UH, STANDARDS THAT OUR EXPERTS MADE. AND, AND JUST TO CONFIRM, THOSE EXPERTS ARE LOOKING AT IT IN THE CONTEXT OF BUILDINGS AS THEY ARE NOW BECAUSE WE HAD SOMEONE FROM THE AUDIENCE POINT OUT THIS IS A SITE OR THIS IS SURROUNDED BY PROJECTS THAT ARE GROWING. SO THEY'VE MADE THIS DETERMINATION, I KNOW YOU JUST SPOKE WITH THEM TODAY, BUT THEY'VE MADE THESE DETERMINATIONS OR RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THE CURRENT BUILD OUT THE WAY IT IS. UH, THAT'S CORRECT. THEY ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE WE'RE ALWAYS AWARE OF, OF, UM, FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS DEVELOPMENT THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION. SO I WOULD SAY THAT, UM, IN TERMS OF IF THE COMMISSION WISHED TO MAKE FINDINGS HEALTH AND SAFETY, UH, FINDINGS OR, OR WHAT, UH, WHAT DYLAN HAS REFERRED TO AS SPECIFIC ADVERSE IMPACT FINDINGS, YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD BE MAKING THOSE FINDINGS AND CALLING INTO QUESTION THE PROFESSIONAL QUALIFICATIONS AND EXPERIENCE OF CITY STAFF. I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT IF YOU WERE TO MAKE THOSE FINDINGS AND DENY [03:10:01] THIS PROJECT, IT WOULD BE APPEALED TO CITY COUNCIL, UM, BY THE APPLICANT. AND SO, UH, THE APPLICANT WOULD CONTINUE TO EXERCISE ITS RIGHT TO DO PROCESS US. AND I APPRECIATE THE CHAIR'S LEEWAY HERE, BUT IN THIS VEIN, JUST TO HIGHLIGHT ANOTHER ISSUE WHEN IT COMES TO STATE LAW, AND I KNOW WE'VE LAID THAT OUT, WE'VE OVERUSED THE TERM HANDS ARE TIED. LET'S SAY THAT WE AS A COMMISSION, FIRST OF ALL, DO WE HAVE AUTHORITY AS A SUBORDINATE BODY TO CITY COUNCIL TO OVERRULE STATE LAW OR SAY THAT WE WANNA MAKE A DECISION IN THE FACE OF STATE LAW? CAN WE DO THAT? AND WE INVITE AN EASY LAWSUIT FROM THE APPLICANT GIVING THE CURRENT BODY OF EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD. UM, I MEAN, I, I AM ONE WHO HAS CLASSICALLY ON THIS COMMISSION QUESTIONED STATE REGULATION AND GUIDELINES AND BUMPED UP AGAINST GUARDRAILS REALLY INEFFECTIVELY OVER THE YEARS. UM, SO WHAT DOES THAT SCENARIO LOOK LIKE IF WE SAID, LOOK, WE DON'T WANT TO GO WITH YOUR DENSITY BONUS, WE SEE SB THREE 30 AND THINK THERE ARE OTHER ITEMS HERE WE WANT TO CONSIDER MORE. I MEAN, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE PRACTICALLY? IF, IF WE MADE THAT DECISION? I MEAN, ON A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT, THE DENSITY BONUS LAW, WHICH HAS BEEN IN EFFECT SINCE 1979, THE CASE LAW IS PRETTY CLEAR THAT CITIES CAN'T PREEMPT THE STATE LAW THERE, UH, SB THREE 30, THAT'S MORE NASCENT, BUT SB THREE 30 AND I GET THESE TWO CONFUSED, THAT'S THE HOUSING ACCOUNTABILITY ACT THAT AMENDED THE HOUSING CRISIS ACT OR THE OTHER WAY AROUND, VICE VERSA. AND I THINK THAT LAW HAS BEEN IN EFFECT SINCE 1982. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOW THE LEGISLATURE HAS BEEN CRAFTING THESE ORDINANCES, THEY SAY IT APPLIES TO CHARTER CITIES, UH, WE FEEL THAT THIS IS NOT A MUNICIPAL AFFAIR, MEANING THAT THE CHARTER CITIES CAN'T PREEMPT IT. SO ULTIMATELY IT WOULD BE UP TO A JUDGE, UH, TO MAKE THAT CALL. UM, I, I DON'T THINK OUR CITY COUNCIL WOULD BE TOO HAPPY THAT WE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE SUBORDINATE BODY THAT THEY APPOINTED WOULD BE INVITING THAT LAWSUIT WITHOUT THEM, YOU KNOW, GIVING THAT DIRECTION. UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION THERE, OR ANDREW, IF YOU HAD ANYTHING TO ADD? WELL, I JUST, YOU KNOW, I REFLECT BACK ON THE REVIEW OF THIS PROJECT, WHICH HAS BEEN QUITE EXTENSIVE. I MEAN, I THINK THIS HAS BEEN ONE OF, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR SEVERAL REASONS, UM, THE NATURE OF THE, UH, DENSITY OF THE PROJECT UNDER DENSITY BONUS LAW, AS WELL AS THE REQUEST FOR CONCESSIONS AND WAIVERS. THIS HAS BEEN ONE OF, UH, THE MOST HEAVILY SCRUTINIZED PROJECTS BY ALL CITY STAFF, BY ALL DEPARTMENTS AND DIVISIONS, UM, THAT I'VE SEEN IN QUITE A WHILE. AND I'VE NOT, WITH REGARD TO ANY HEALTH AND SAFETY FINDINGS, I'VE NOT SEEN ANY QUESTION FROM CITY STAFF THAT THAT WOULD SUGGEST THAT THEY'RE NOT COMPETENT IN THE DIS IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THEY'RE MAKING AND, AND THE DETERMINATION THAT THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO FIND ANY SPECIFIC ADVERSE IMPACTS. SO AGAIN, I, IT'S, IT CERTAINLY IS THE, THE, UM, AT THE DISCRETION OF THE COMMISSION TO, TO VOTE WITH REGARD TO, TO CONSIDERATION OF THE RESOLUTION BEFORE YOU, AND IF YOU CHOOSE TO DENY THAT, THAT RESOLUTION, AND THEN, UH, WE WOULD HAVE TO PROCESS THROUGH THE OUTCOMES OF THAT DECISION. AND I'LL, I'LL JUST ADD TOO, UH, WITH A LOT OF THESE NEW STATE HOUSING LAWS, IT HAS ALSO ALLOWED AND GIVEN MORE POWER TO THE, UH, ATTORNEY GENERAL TO GO AFTER CITIES THAT AREN'T COMPLYING WITH THESE STATE LAWS. UH, IT CAN INCLUDE NOT JUST THE APPLICANTS, BUT OTHER HOUSING, PRO HOUSING ENTITIES CAN SUE THE CITY. UH, I THINK WE RECEIVED A LETTER FROM ONE OF THOSE GROUPS, UH, AND THEY, IN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE WEBSITE, THEY HAVE SUED THREE CITIES. UH, I KNOW HCD PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE TOO HAPPY WITH US. SO I KNOW STAFF, I THINK WE CAN MAKE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THESE FINDINGS AND WE WOULD RECOMMEND, UH, APPROVAL HERE. WELL, AND I KNOW AS I ASKED THAT QUESTION, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY SPECULATIVE, BUT I THINK YOU'VE GIVEN US A REALISTIC REACTION AND, AND WHAT CHAIN OF EVENTS WOULD TRIGGER AFTER THAT. UM, SO THANK YOU. I'LL LET US KIND OF RESUME WITH DISCUSSION. UM, A A QUESTION, ANDREW, THAT IT SEEMS LIKE MOST OF THE, MANY OF THE COMMENTS ARE REGARDING, UH, THAT THIS PROJECT HAS, THE, THE CONTEXT OF THIS PROJECT HASN'T REALLY BEEN THOUGHT OF COMPLETELY THE CONTEXT OF IT RELATIONSHIP TO EXISTING DEVELOPMENT. MY CONCERN IS THE CONTEXT OF ITS RELATIONSHIP, THE [03:15:01] UNDEVELOPED LAND THAT HAS ALSO ZONED MEDIUM DENSITY HOUSING. THERE'S, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, OVER SIX ACRES OF LAND THERE THAT'S PART OF A ZONING PLANET THAT SAYS MEDIUM DENSITY HOUSING. IT'S PART OF A GENERAL PLAN THAT SAYS MEDIUM DENSITY HOUSING THERE. WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S TO, WHAT'S TO PREVENT THE CITY FROM SAYING, LET'S FLOAT THAT SEPARATE FROM THIS PROJECT. LET'S DO SOME MORE PLANNING ON RAILROAD ACCESSES SHOULD BE WHAT ACCESS TO PEDAL BOULEVARD IS MOST DESIRE FROM FIRE AND SAFETY? WHERE ARE THE PARKS LOCATED? HOW CAN WE DO IT MORE, MORE FRAMEWORK PLAN THAT PUTS THIS PROJECT IN CONTEXT AND DEALS WITH SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED. SO I'M, I'M KIND OF SAYING, LOOK, CAN WE FLOAT THAT SEPARATE FROM THIS PROJECT AND HAVE THE CITY DO STUDIES AND CATCH UP TO IT, UH, WITH A FRAMEWORK UNDERSTANDING AS OPPOSED TO MAKE IT PART OF THE PROJECT? WELL, I THINK, UM, DURING, DURING THE QUESTIONS OF STAFF AND THE APPLICANT, IT, IT WAS ASKED HOW MIGHT, UM, THE COMMISSION MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COUNCIL. AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S ONE THING, YOU KNOW, THAT THE COMMISSION COULD CONSIDER IS RECOMMENDING TO THE COUNCIL THAT, UH, A SPECIFIC PLANNING PROCESS BE DEVELOPED FOR, UM, THESE, THIS PARTICULAR AREA OR PERHAPS EVEN A LARGER AREA. UM, THAT'S HOW WE WOULD TYPICALLY APPROACH THAT, BECAUSE THIS, THROUGH THIS PROJECT ITSELF, WE DON'T HAVE NEXUS TO REQUIRE THAT. AND THAT WOULD BE A DECISION OF COUNSEL TO ADD THAT TO, UH, THE WORK PROGRAM AND THEN TO FUND THAT PLANNING EFFORT. OKAY. WE'RE GONNA NOW START THE ORDER PROPERLY. WE'RE GONNA START WITH JESSICA. I'M GONNA ASK A QUESTION. SORRY, . SURE. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO CLEARLY HAVE PROBABLY DYLAN STATE THE SORT OF ORDER OF OPERATIONS HERE BEHIND DOOR NUMBER ONE AND DOOR NUMBER TWO OF APPROVAL AND PERHAPS ROGUE DISAPPROVAL, UM, AND SORT OF WHERE THOSE ROADS LEAD GIVEN OUR MEETING COUNT AND LAWSUIT THREATS. YEAH, AND FEEL FREE TO, I'LL TRY TO TAKE THAT ONE ON, UH, ONE AT A TIME. UH, I THINK REGARDING YOU GUYS ARE ASKED THREE THINGS TONIGHT, APPROVE THE DENSITY BONUS, THE CONCESSIONS, THE SPAR, AND I GUESS QUA ON TOP OF THAT. SO THE DENSITY BONUS, I THINK THERE'S NO WAY, THERE'S NO FINDINGS THAT WE CAN MAKE TO DENY IT. THE STATE LAW, LIKE I SAID, DOESN'T EVEN GIVE CITIES AND COUNTIES THAT OPPORTUNITY. UH, IF THEY QUALIFY FOR THEIR, IF THEY PROVIDE THE APPLICABLE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THEY GET THEIR PERCENTAGE OF, UH, DENSITY BONUS. UH, SO I THINK THAT WE WOULD NEED TO, UH, APPROVE. THEN THE OTHER ONE IS THE DENSITY BONUS CONCESSIONS IN THE WAIVERS. UH, CONCESSIONS AND WAIVERS BOTH REQUIRE SPECIFIC FINDINGS. ONE IS THAT IT DOESN'T PROVIDE, OR AT LEAST FOR THE CONCESSIONS INCENTIVES, THAT IT DOESN'T PROVIDE THE, UH, EITHER, UH, CHEAPER FOR CONSTRUCTION OR, UH, FOR THE TENANTS CHEAPER RENT. AND THE CITY, WE CAN'T MAKE THOSE FINDINGS, I DON'T THINK, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED US INFORMATION FOR WHY THE CONCESSIONS FOR THE ALL ELECTRIC WOULD BE CHEAPER. AND IT MAKES SENSE WHY THE VISIBILITY WOULD BE CHEAPER AS WELL. UH, FOR THE WAIVERS, WE WOULD NEED TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THE SPECIFIC ADVERSE HEALTH AND SAFETY FINDINGS THAT I QUOTED EARLIER. AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THE RECORD RIGHT NOW TO SAY THAT THERE IS A SPECIFIC ADVERSE HEALTH OR SAFETY FINDING. AND AGAIN, THOSE ARE QUANTIFIABLE OBJECTIVE STANDARDS. AND SINCE THE PROJECT MEETS ALL OF THE OBJECTIVE STANDARDS THAT CURRENTLY EXISTED WHEN THE PROJECT WAS SUBMITTED, UH, IT WILL BE PRETTY TOUGH TO, AND DIFFICULT, IF NOT IMPOSSIBLE TO SAY. UM, SO I THINK THERE'D BE A DIFFICULTY THERE. SO THAT'S THE DENSITY BONUS. UH, CONCESSIONS, UH, THIS FAR, UH, DENYING THE, ANY ENTITLEMENTS OF QUALIFIED SB THREE 30 PROJECTS, UH, COUNTS AS A DISAPPROVAL UNDER SB THREE 30. AND FOR US TO NOT MAKE THOSE FINDINGS, I THINK IT WOULD NEED TO REQUIRE, AGAIN, SPECIFIC ADVERSE IMPACTS OBJECTIVELY. UM, AND AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE REALLY DIFFICULT THERE, ESPECIALLY, 'CAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT SPAR, THE FINDINGS ARE RELATED TO, UH, WHAT THE SIDE LOOKS LIKE. SO REALLY THE DENSITY, BONUS, CONCESSIONS, WAIVERS ABOUT ALL ELECTRIC, THOSE DON'T EVEN GET INTO IT. UM, AND WE HAVE IN THE RECORD, IN THE, AT LEAST THE STAFF REPORT, WHY THOSE FINDINGS COULD BE MADE. SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE DIFFICULTY THERE. AND OF COURSE, EVEN IF WE COULD [03:20:01] MAKE THOSE FINDINGS, THEN THAT WOULD BE A DISAPPROVAL UNDER SB THREE 30 AND WE'RE OPENING OURSELVES UP TO THE APPLICANT, HCD, OTHER HOUSING ENTITIES, UH, POTENTIALLY SUING THE CITY. UM, AND THERE WOULD BE SOME CONSEQUENCES THERE. OBVIOUSLY, ATTORNEY'S FEES, THE CITY WOULD HAVE THE BURDEN OF PROOF. UM, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK THOSE ARE THE ISSUES THERE. AND THEN SPAR, UH, FAILING TO, AND I'M, YEAH, OH, SEQUENCE, SORRY. SO CQA ALSO, IT CAN BE A DISAPPROVAL UNDER SB THREE 30. UM, THAT'S HOW THEY DEFINE IT IN SUBSECTION H SIX D. SO FAILING TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION WHETHER THE PROJECT IS EXEMPT. AND THIS IS LIKE A THREE, FOUR PAGE. UM, AND I THINK OUR ENVIRONMENTAL PLANNER IS EASILY ABLE TO MAKE THOSE FINDINGS. SO AGAIN, I THINK WE WOULD BE OPENING UP OURSELVES UP TO AN SB THREE 30 LAWSUIT WHERE THE H UH, HCD, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL APPLICANT, ANY OTHER HOUSING ENTITY THAT'S PRO COULD COME IN, UH, AFTER THE CITY THERE. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCIL MEMBER OR, OR COMMISSIONER? AND JUST TO CONFIRM, IF WE WERE TO PUT OURSELVES INTO A POSITION WHERE WE'RE IN A LAWSUIT, UM, THAT COULD YOU JUST CONFIRM THE ATTORNEY'S FEES PIECE OF THAT, THAT IT'S NOT JUST A A IT CAN'T JUST BE A STALLING TACTIC, WE WOULD ACTUALLY BE ON THE HOOK FOR THOSE ATTORNEY'S FEES. YEAH, SO SB THREE 30 LAWSUITS, IF WE DISAPPROVE AND THE COURT DISAGREES WITH OUR DISAPPROVAL, AND AGAIN, WE WOULD HAVE THAT BURDEN, UH, BESIDES THE ATTORNEY'S FEES, THE COURT WOULD SAY, CITY, YOU HAVE, I THINK IT'S 60 DAYS TO APPROVE THE PROJECT. AND ANY DAY THAT YOU DO NOT APPROVE IT PAST THE 60 DAYS, UH, THAT'S A $10,000 FINE. AND I BELIEVE THEY CAN, EVEN IF THEY FEEL THAT THE CITY ACTED IN BAD FAITH TO NOT APPROVE THE PROJECT, ESPECIALLY AFTER A JUDGE TOLD THE CITY TO, UH, APPROVE THE PROJECT, THOSE FINES CAN GO UP, I THINK BY TIMES FIVE. UM, YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. SO YOU'RE ASKING FOR OUR FINE, OUR COMMENTS OR WHAT, WHAT ASKING FOR NOW? SO WE KIND OF MORPHED INTO QUESTIONS. OKAY. WHICH, NO, NO, DON'T, DON'T BE SORRY. THIS HAS BEEN GOOD. WE NEEDED TO CLARIFY WHAT THE ACTUAL, WHAT THE ACTUAL LAWSUIT RISK IS AND THE ACTUAL LAWSUIT COSTS, BECAUSE WE ALL NEED TO BE AWARE THAT IT'S A REAL ISSUE, NOT A, WE'RE GIVING YOU AN EXCUSE ISSUE, WHICH I THINK ALL OF THIS HAS HELPED TO CLARIFY AT LEAST THAT PART OF THIS. UM, AT THIS POINT, THIS SHOULD BE QUESTIONS YOU'RE ASKING, BUT ALSO COMMENTS THAT YOU HAVE, I'D ASK THAT WE GET ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE END BEFORE SOMEBODY MAKES A MOTION TO MAKE TAKE ANY ACTION. JESSICA, DID YOU WANT TO MAKE COMMENTS BEFORE? SURE. YEAH. UM, THANK YOU FOR THE NEIGHBORS FOR COMING OUT AND GIVING THEIR CONCERNS. UM, I CAN IMAGINE THAT IT'S, UM, BEEN ON YOUR MINDS AND, AND THAT'S REFLECTED IN THE COMMENTS TONIGHT AS WELL AS THE ONE SUBMITTED BEFORE, UM, I HATE TO SAY THIS, BUT THAT SAID GIVEN, UM, WHAT WE'VE, WHAT WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT, UM, I THINK THIS IS A NEEDED AFFORDABLE UNIT, UH, AFFORDABLE PROJECT. AND I, I WISH TO SUPPORT IT . UM, GIVEN NOT ONLY THAT, UM, OUR, OUR HANDS ARE TIED, UH, CHECK ONE MORE OFF THE TALLY BOARD , UM, THAT, UH, WE NEED THESE UNITS AND I APPRECIATE THE CONTEXT FROM THE APPLICANT ABOUT THE TOPOGRAPHY CONSTRAINTS. I THINK THAT'S A, A REALLY IMPORTANT THING TO CONSIDER THAT THE GRAPHICS CAN ONLY, UM, EXPLAIN SO FAR. AND IN TERMS OF SORT OF WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED POTENTIAL, UM, REVISIONS, I, I AM OKAY WITH THE, UH, RECESSED DOG RELIEF AREA. I THINK THE TRASH ENCLOSURE PLACEMENT MAKES SENSE. YOU'RE RIGHT THAT NOBODY LIKES TRASH. THERE IS GOING TO BE A TRASH TRUCK ON THAT BLOCK, SAME DAY AS, AS YOUR TRASH IS COLLECTED. SO I THINK THE NOISE IS SORT OF ON PAR. UM, AND WHEN IT COMES TO THE PARKING VIOLATIONS ON PUBLIC STREETS, THAT'S THE CITY'S CONCERN. AND WE HAVE OTHER MEETINGS , UH, ABOUT PARKING ENFORCEMENT AROUND PETALUMA. SO, UM, I DON'T WANT TO TO STICK THAT ON THE APPLICANT. SO, UM, YEAH, I THINK IT'S A NEEDED PROJECT. SOME HELPFUL CONCESSIONS HAVE BEEN MADE, UM, ON BOTH SIDES AND I, UH, FEEL AS THOUGH WE WILL BE FORCED TO PASS IT. . THANK YOU, ROGER. [03:25:01] YEAH. UM, IT'S UNDERSTANDABLE. I THINK WE ALL UNDERSTAND NOW THAT THIS, THIS PROJECT IS BEING DRIVEN BY THE STATE LAWS AFFORDABILITY LAWS OF THIS TYPE OF PROJECT. AND THAT PE PLANNING COMMISSION REALLY HAS LIMITED ABILITY TO, UH, IMPACT IT. BUT, BUT I'M DISAPPOINTED THAT THE CITY HAS NOT BUILT A BETTER CONTEXT FOR THIS PROJECT. UM, THERE'S, THERE'S, UM, SURROUNDING LAND THAT WILL BE DEVELOPED, AND IF WE APPROACH IT, LIKE WE'RE APPROACHING THIS PROJECT ONE PIECE OF LAND AT A TIME WITHOUT AN OVERALL CONTEXT OF WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO BUILD? WHAT KIND OF NEIGHBORHOOD ARE WE TRYING TO BUILD, WHERE ARE THE PARKS, WHERE ARE THE TRAILS? WHAT HAPPENS TO THE EASEMENTS? WHERE'S THE ACCESS? ALL THAT SHOULD BE WORKED OUT IN A, OVER A LARGER SCALE PLAN FOR ALL THE AREA ADJACENT TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND TO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I'D LIKE TO SEE AS PART OF THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL, THE CITY TAKE ON A SPECIFIC PLAN OR A LEVEL OF SPECIFIC PLAN THAT ANSWERS MANY OF THE QUESTIONS ABOUT ACCESS, TRAILS, PARKS, EMERGENCY ACCESS, UH, AND SO ON. UM, I'D LIKE, I'D LIKE THE, UH, THE, UM, HOW, HOW THIS, HOW THIS FITS AND HOW THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT WILL FIT TOGETHER WITH NOT ONLY THIS PROJECT, BUT THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD. SO IT'S A, A BIGGER PICTURE UNDERSTANDING, BUT IT SHOULD NOT HOLD UP THE PROJECT. IT SHOULD HAPPEN INDEPENDENT AND PARALLEL TO THE PROJECT. UM, I'M GONNA DOVETAIL A BIT OFF OF ROGER'S COMMENTS. UH, THIS, THIS HAS GOTTA BE THE, I THINK THE, THE MOST FRUSTRATING PACKET THAT I'VE OPENED SINCE BEING ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AND, AND PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE ON ONE HAND WE DESPERATELY NEED HOUSING AND WE NEED THE UNITS. AND I THINK EVERYBODY I'VE TALKED TO, ALL THE NEIGHBORS I'VE TALKED TO HAVE ALL AGREED ON THAT FRONT. UM, IT ABSOLUTELY IS DIVORCED OF CONTEXT. THERE WASN'T, YOU KNOW, LAST GENERAL PLAN WAS 2008. A LOT OF THINGS WERE NOT IMPLEMENTED. THERE'S A DIFFERENT DESIGN ETHOS FROM THAT PERIOD OF TIME THAT FRANKLY WOULD LOOK ARCHAIC TO US NOW. BUT A LOT OF THAT TIME PERIOD WAS BUILT AS YOU GO, WHICH IS WHAT THIS IS UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T WANNA SAY TAKING ADVANTAGE OF, BUT THIS IS WHAT THIS IS UNFORTUNATELY BEING ABLE TO MAKE USE OF. UM, I ALSO, AT THE SAME TIME, HAVING WORKED IN, WORKED ON HOUSING POLICY AND KNOWING A LOT ABOUT THE GRANTS INVOLVED, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHY DELAYING THIS MEETING, LIKE DOING A, DOING A CONTINUANCE WON'T CHANGE WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE. THE FACT THAT THIS GRANT FUNDING THAT, I'M ASSUMING GRANTS, BUT I KNOW THERE'S PROBABLY A MYRIAD LIKE STATE AND FEDERAL GRANTS, THEY ALL COME WITH SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS. AND IT'S BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE LAWS AND FUNDING SOURCES WERE PASSED BY PEOPLE WHO WANT TO SAY THAT THEY HAVE ACCOUNTABILITY IN THEIR FUNDING. THIS IS ESPECIALLY TRUE AT THE STATE. AND SO THEY ADDED A LOT OF ONEROUS REQUIREMENTS, WHICH THEN CREATES PROJECTS LIKE THIS WHERE TO MEET ALL OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS TO THEN STACK THAT MONEY TOGETHER TO BE ABLE TO KEEP AN AFFORDABLE PROJECT. YOU THEN GET THE KIND OF PUZZLE PIECE CUBE THAT WE HAVE WITH THIS. UH, SO IF I HONESTLY BELIEVED A CONTINUANCE WOULD WORK THAT THEY'D BE ABLE TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND VICE VERSA, SURE. BUT I SUSPECT THAT WOULD'VE HAPPENED BY NOW. AND HOUSING FUNDS ARE INCREDIBLY RESTRICTED FOR A REASON. IT'S ONE THING EVERYBODY WANTS TO SEE HAPPEN. IT'S ALSO THE ONE THING EVERYONE'S SUSPICIOUS, SOMEONE ELSE IS GONNA MISUSE. SO THAT'S WHY ALL THESE STRINGS END UP COMING WITH THEM. UM, THE, AND THE OTHER PART OF, THERE'S TWO OTHER PARTS OF WHY I'M CONFLICTED ON THIS, AND I PROMISE YOU I'M GETTING TO A POINT. UH, ONE IS I FULLY UNDERSTAND THE WILDFIRE RISK THAT YOU'RE AFRAID OF. I, I WORKED WITH TUBBS FIRE SURVIVORS WHEN I WORKED FOR CONGRESSMAN HUFFMAN. I SAW WHAT CHUNKS OF THAT EVACUATION LOOK LIKE. I SAW WHAT PEOPLE'S EMPTY HOMES LOOK LIKE. I KNOW WHAT A NEIGHBORHOOD JUST GONE LOOKS LIKE. NO ONE SHOULD HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT, ESPECIALLY HERE. AND AS STAFF CAN PROBABLY ATTEST YOU SAY THE WORDS WOOEY IN MY, THE HAIR ON THE BACK OF MY HEAD GOES UP BECAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE THOSE FILES WERE FIRES WERE. NOW, I CANNOT, AS A LAYMAN WHO HAS EXPERTISE IN OTHER AREAS, BUT NOT FIRE PROTECTION, I CAN'T TURN AROUND AND SAY, HEY, I HAD THIS EXPERIENCE AND THE FIRE MARSHAL'S WRONG. I DON'T HAVE THE EXPERTISE TO DO THAT. THAT WOULD NOT HOLD UP IN COURT. THE, THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THE STAFF, WE HAVE HOLD THAT EXPERTISE. AND UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING TO SHOW THAT THERE IS A [03:30:01] MAJOR NEGLIGENCE OF DUTY, WHICH SINCERELY I DON'T THINK THERE IS. WE ARE, WE HAVE TO WORK WITH THE DATA WE HAVE AND THE POLICIES THAT WE'RE WORKING AROUND. AND I KNOW EVERYONE HERE IS SICK OF, OF HEARING THIS, SO I'M NOT GONNA USE THE BUZZWORD. UM, BUT THESE POLICIES HAVE CREATED A NATURAL FUNNEL, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE DESIGNED TO DO, TO BE FRANK, THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THESE POLICIES WERE DESIGNED TO DO. I REMEMBER THE DEBATE FOR SB THREE 30. THE REASON I DO IS I WORK AT THE LEGISLATURE, I WORK IN POLICY. I ACTUALLY ASKED A FRIEND AND ALLEGED COUNSEL ABOUT THIS BEFORE TODAY'S MEETING BECAUSE I WAS LOOKING FOR ANY LITTLE LOOPHOLE OR AMENDMENT OR CHANGE THAT MAYBE GIVES US A WAY TO DELAY THINGS OR MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO DESIGN. THEY LAUGH ME OUTTA THE ROOM. AND PART OF IT'S BECAUSE THESE POLICIES WERE DESIGNED TO STACK TOGETHER TO DO EXACTLY THIS. UH, ORIGINALLY WHEN I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS, I WAS ALL GUNG HO TO BLAME THE POLICIES, BUT I HAVE TO TELL YOU, IT'S ACTUALLY A LONGSTANDING PROBLEM HERE, WHICH IS, AND IT GOES BACK TO ROGER'S POINT. WE AS A CITY DIDN'T DO THE CONTEXT WORK. AND THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS FOR IT. I'M NOT BLAMING ANYBODY WHO WAS IN OFFICE OR ANYBODY WHO WAS WORKING FOR THE CITY. IT TOOK PLACE OVER DECADES, BUT WE'RE HERE. SO WE DIDN'T DO THE CONTEXT WORK. WE DON'T HAVE AREA PLANNING. WE HAVE A DEVELOPER WHO'S MOVED IN WHO DOES AFFORDABLE DEVELOPMENT. THEY'VE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF STATE LAWS TO GET IT DONE. WE DO NEED THE UNITS. THAT'S WHERE THIS GOT US. UH, I AM GRATEFUL TO THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN ASKED BECAUSE THEY'VE BROUGHT A ANOTHER GOOD POINT, WHICH IS WE AS A PLANNING COMMISSION, OUR JOB IS TO SERVE THE PUBLIC. AND IT'S CERTAINLY NOT TO BRING THE CITY INTO A LAWSUIT. AS MUCH AS I'M PRETTY SURE ALL OF US HERE WOULD LOVE TO BE MAKING POLICY ON ONE AREA OR ANOTHER. UH, IT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT OUR JOB TO BRING THE CITY INTO A LAWSUIT, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE HITTING 10,000 TO $50,000 A DAY FEES. THAT'S NOT OUR BUSINESS. AND, UH, I'M SURE EVERYONE HERE HAS SEEN THE POTHOLES WE HAVE ALL OVER PETALUMA, YOU KNOW, OUR BUDGET CAN'T AFFORD IT. ANYWAY, SO THAT KIND OF HITS THE LIMITATION AND I THINK WE'VE DONE A VERY GOOD JOB IN THIS MEETING, AT LEAST WALKING THROUGH WHERE THE LEGAL RESTRICTIONS ARE FOR US ON THIS. IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING FOR A WAY OUT. IT'S NOT THAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO THIS, IT'S JUST THIS IS WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF STUCK TO WORK WITH. IT DOESN'T GIVE US A LOT OF OPTIONS TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER AS THEY WANT TO WORK WITH US, BECAUSE ESPECIALLY THE AMENDMENT TO BONUS LAWS THAT REALLY FLIPPED THE, THE BURDEN, THE BURDEN IS NOT, IS NO LONGER ON THE APPLICANT TO PROVE THIS. IT'S ON US TO DISPROVE IT, AND WE DON'T HAVE THE OFFICIAL DATA FOR THAT. UM, AND ONE THING I DID WANT TO SAY, ONE COMMENTER HAD SAID THAT IT WAS OUR BURDEN TO PROVE TO YOU THAT THIS WAS SAFE. I CAN UNDERSTAND FEELING THAT WAY. OUR BURDEN AS A PLANNING COMMISSION IS TO LOOK AT THE FINDINGS WE HAVE BASED ON THE EXPERTS WE HAVE, AND TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT AND TO WORK WITH IT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. I KNOW EVERYBODY, EVERYONE HERE HAS, AND KNOW WE'VE PEPPERED STAFF WITH QUESTIONS TONIGHT AND FOR THE DAYS LEADING UP TO THIS SINCE WE FIRST GOT THE PACKET AND FOUND OUT THIS WAS GOING TO COME BEFORE US. BUT UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT PART OF OUR MISSION. NOR DO WE HAVE THE EXPERTISE TO DO THAT. WE HAVE TO WORK WITH THE EXPERTS WHO'VE ALREADY GIVEN US THAT INFORMATION. UM, MOVING PAST THAT, I WOULD, I WOULD ALSO SAY, YEAH, I, I SUPPORT THIS PASSING TONIGHT. UH, IN LARGE PART BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO MUCH OF ANYTHING ELSE. I HATE TO SAY IT BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE. UH, I GREW UP NOT FAR FROM THIS AREA. I, MY BEST FRIEND, I, A FEW OF YOU I'VE EMAILED BACK, HAVE ALREADY HEARD THIS, BUT ONE OF MY BEST FRIENDS, TWO STREETS AWAY, THAT IS A SPECIAL PLACE TO ME. AND I REMEMBER THAT RADIO TOWER , AND I ALSO REMEMBER GETTING INTO TROUBLE ON THAT RADIO TOWER. UM, AND I UNDERSTAND THE FEARS THAT WERE RAISED ABOUT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ALL OF THESE CARS HERE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ALL THIS ACTIVITY. LET'S BE HONEST. ONE GUEST SPOT THAT'S, I KNOW WHY THAT EXISTS. THAT'S, THAT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT HAS TO DO WITH MAXING OUT YOUR UNITS AT THE HEIGHT. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAN CHANGE. THAT BEING SAID, AND THIS LEADS TO THE SECOND POINT, THE NEXT STEP FOR THIS IS NOT AMENDING THE PROJECT BECAUSE THAT WON'T HAPPEN GIVEN THE NEXUS OF LAWS THAT HAVE BEEN COME TOGETHER FOR THIS. THE NEXT STEP IS THE CITY. YOU'VE ALL RAISED GREAT POINTS. ENFORCEMENT'S NOT VERY GOOD THERE. YOU'VE ALL RAISED GOOD POINTS THAT WHEN THIS PROJECT COMES IN, THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE CARS THAN NEEDED. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO SAY THEY ONLY GET ONE CAR, CITY'S GONNA NEED TO BE THERE TO ENFORCE ONE CAR. UM, AND WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA NEED TO KEEP PUSHING FORWARD WITH THE CITY INTO HOW WE DEAL WITH THE OTHER EGRESS AND HOW WE ALSO DEAL WITH RAVINA. OBVIOUSLY IN COMMUNICATION WITH THE LANDOWNER. [03:35:01] I HAVE NO SAY OVER THAT. NONE OF US DO, BUT THAT'S BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE LANDOWNERS. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAN CONTROL. OBVIOUSLY WE WANT ANOTHER WAY IN AND OUT. UM, SO WITH THAT IN MIND, SOME CONDITIONS I WOULD LIKE TO SAY I WOULD SUPPORT FOR THIS ONE. I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT WE, 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK WE CAN CONDITION IT BECAUSE IT'S A, WE CAN'T CONDITION TO COUNCIL, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND TO COUNCIL THAT WE HAVE A SPECIFIC PLANNING PROCESS FOR THIS AREA, WHICH I KNOW IS EIGHT STEPS TOO LATE. BUT LET'S GET STARTED WITH AT LEAST THE NEXT PIECE OF PROPERTY AND HAVE THAT IN CONTEXT WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT. UH, AND ESPECIALLY WITH CONSIDERATION TO THE HIGH FIRE RISK THAT'S KIND OF SURROUNDS THE AREA, EVEN IF THAT SPOT ISN'T CONSIDERED HIGH FIRE RISK BY, BY A LOCAL CITY MAP, UM, AS A CONDITION. YOU MENTIONED A COMMUNITY LIAISON TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE SHOULD SEE THAT, THAT THAT SHOULD BE A TANGIBLE, HOW THAT'S GONNA WORK OUT. THAT THE, IS IT A ELECTED COUNCIL? IS THIS LIKE AN HOA KIND OF SITUATION, HOWEVER THE STRUCTURE FOR THAT THAT YOU RECOMMENDED EARLIER THAT YOU'VE DONE IN OTHER PROJECTS? YES, ACTUALLY I WAS GONNA SAY GIVE THAT TO THE CITY, BUT IT'D BE GOOD TO HEAR THAT NOW. UH, THANKS. THAT WAS, I'LL CLARIFY THAT THE TIMES THAT WE'VE DONE THIS IN THE PAST, IT'S BEEN A, A NEIGHBORHOOD EFFORT, WHICH, UM, THIS GROUP OF NEIGHBORS HAS ALREADY SORT OF DONE WHERE THEY SORT OF APPOINT A SPOKESPERSON TO REPRESENT THE ISSUES THAT THE, THE COMMUNITY MIGHT HAVE OR CONCERNS THE COMMUNITY MIGHT HAVE. AND THEY WOULD LIAISE WITH THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT. IF THE PROPERTY MANAGER ISN'T CAPABLE OF HANDLING IT OR IT NEEDS MORE LEADERSHIP, THEN THE ASSET MANAGEMENT TEAM WOULD GET INVOLVED FROM THE PACIFIC COMPANIES. UM, BUT THE PROPERTY MANAGER WOULD BE THE, WOULD BE THE PERSON TO, UM, TO WORK WITH. AND I THINK HOW THIS HAS WORKED IN PAST IS IT JUST GIVES SOME ORGANIZATION TO THE NEIGHBORS. SO THE PROPERTY MANAGER ISN'T GETTING INUNDATED WITH 18 COMPLAINTS FOR THE SAME THING, BUT MM-HMM. UNORGANIZED EFFORT THAT CAN BE, YOU KNOW, ADDRESSED MORE REASONABLY. AND WILL IT BE STIPULATED IN THE PROPERTY MANAGER'S ROLE THAT THEY'LL, THEY NEED TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS APPOINTED? I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT. UM, UNFORTUNATELY, LIKE I, YOU KNOW, I, I BROUGHT THIS UP, UH, A NUMBER OF TIMES, BUT IT DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T FORMALIZE THE EFFORT. UM, I THINK THAT THERE'S A WAY THAT WE COULD, UM, WELL, LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY. THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY'S JOB IS TO MANAGE THE PROPERTY AND PART OF THAT MANAGEMENT IS TO MANAGE NEIGHBORING COMPLAINTS IF THERE ARE ANY. UM, SOME OF THOSE MAY NEED TO GO THROUGH THE CITY, THROUGH CITY POLICY AND ORDINANCE AND LAWS. UM, AND SOME MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE WORKED OUT JUST BETWEEN NEIGHBORS. UM, I'M SURE THAT WE CAN COME UP WITH A WAY TO ORGANIZE IT SO THAT THERE'S LIKE KIND OF, I THINK THE INTENT IS TO HAVE A PREDICTABLE PATH TO GETTING YOUR COMPLAINT HEARD. RIGHT? THAT'S THE IDEA. YOU'RE NOT JUST CALLING SOME RANDOM NUMBER, HOPING SOMEBODY ANSWERS, BUT YOU KNOW THE PERSON'S NAME AND WHEN TO CALL THEM AND WHEN THEY CAN RESPOND. OKAY. UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO EXACTLY FRAME THIS, BUT I DO WANT, AS A COMM, AS A CONDITION FOR THIS, OR WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND AS A CONDITION TO THIS, THAT WE REQUIRE SOME KIND OF WRITTEN VERIFICATION OF WHAT THAT WOULD END UP LOOKING LIKE WITH THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY. UH, I, I RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S A LITTLE MALLEABLE GIVEN IT'S BEEN ATTEMPTED IN DIFFERENT PLACES, BUT IT JUST, WHAT I DON'T WANT IS WE, WE THROW THIS OUT THERE AND THEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS LIKE, OKAY, FINE, WE'LL WORK WITH SOMEBODY AND THEN MAYBE IT'S, I'M NOT SAYING THAT TO BE PURPOSEFUL, BUT MAYBE MISCOMMUNICATION OR SOMETHING HAPPENS AND IT NEVER QUITE COMES TO BE, I WANT THIS TO BE SOMETHING IN WRITING IF THAT'S AT ALL POSSIBLE. OKAY. UM, ANDREW, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN, UM, YOU KNOW, WRITE THAT IN A WAY THAT MAYBE THE REPORT CAN BE APPROVED AT THE PLANNING LEVEL. JUST GIVES US A LITTLE BIT OF SPACE TO TALK TO THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY AND SEE HOW THEY WOULD HANDLE IT. RIGHT. I'VE GOT A, UH, DRAFT CONDITION OF APPROVAL HERE THAT WE CAN REVIEW WITH, WITH A VARIETY OF OTHER CORRECTIONS PRIOR TO, UH, THE MOTION. OKAY. ON THE RESOLUTION. THANK YOU. UM, I KNOW YOU, I'M NOT TRYING TO TURN THIS INTO QUESTIONS AGAIN. I'M SORRY. UH, JUST GOING INTO CONDITIONS, IF THERE IS, YOU, YOU MENTIONED SCREENING. I, I KEEP USING THE WORD TRAILS 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT COMES TO MIND, BUT SOME KIND OF COVERING FOR THE PARK. I KNOW WHY WE CAN'T MOVE IT. I KNOW THAT THIS GOES BACK TO EVERY INCH OF THIS THING HAS BEEN PRICED OUT. I GET THAT. BUT IF THERE'S SOME KIND OF COVERAGE FOR THE DOG PARK [03:40:02] AND, AND JUST TO DEAL WITH THE MITIGATING ODOR FOR MITIGATING ODOR NOT SITE. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT HOW HOW ORDER SPREADS TO KNOW HOW TO DO THAT OR A, A WILLINGNESS TO LOOK INTO IT WITH THE CITY YES. TO FIND OUT WHAT OPTIONS WOULD BE AVAILABLE. YES. I THINK THAT THAT IS, UM, WITHIN REASON, THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT DOING. THIS IS OBVIOUSLY GIVEN HOW THESE LAWS WORK, IF IT STARTS TO COST YOU MORE, IF IT STARTS TO CUT INTO AFFORDABILITY OR REDUCE UNITS, IT'S NOT VIABLE ANYWAY. BUT WITHIN REASON, AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T HIT THAT, THAT DEMARCATION LINE OF IMPACTING AFFORDABILITY OR UNIT NUMBER TO LOOK INTO HOW WE CAN MITIGATE IT, IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WORTH WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBOR ON. MM-HMM. , UM, OH, AND I WAS AS FINAL CONDITION TO BRING UP, AND I'LL STOP. YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, UH, WANTING TO WORK WITH SOMEBODY FOR DISCUSSING KIND OF ADULT RECREATION. I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT. AND WE'VE HAD THIS ON OTHER PROJECTS, IF YOU'D BE WILLING TO WORK WITH OUR SENIOR COMMITTEE TO CONSULT ON HOW THE ADULT RECREATION ON SITE MIGHT LOOK. THAT'S ALL, THIS DOESN'T FINALIZE ANYTHING. SURE. BUT I MEAN, WE'RE ALWAYS OPEN TO THAT TO IDEAS. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO WORK WITHIN CERTAIN CONSTRAINTS, BUT THEN INSIDE THAT, YOU KNOW. YEAH. THANK YOU. UM, AND THAT IS IT FOR MY CONDITIONS THAT I WOULD ADD FOR NOW. UH, ONE, ONE LAST COMMENT AND THEN I WILL LET THIS CONTINUE. UNFORTUNATELY, THE WAY THIS PROJECT HAS COME TO US, I'M PRETTY SURE THERE'S A WORLD WHERE ALL OF US HAVE FOUND A WAY TO WORK TOGETHER AND LAWS AND CONTEXT WERE DIFFERENT. THIS THE SETTING WE'RE IN NOW. UH, BUT IT DOES BRING UP ANOTHER BIGGER POINT FOR, FOR OUR COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH HERE, WHICH IS JUST THE OPPORTUNITIES TO SAY NO AS A CITY ARE DECREASING OVER TIME. UH, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT, STATE LAWS ARE EVEN MORE, ARE COMING IN THE BOOKS TO MAKE TONIGHT LOOK EVEN HARDER. UM, AND BECAUSE OF THAT, IT'LL BE THAT MUCH MORE IMPORTANT FOR PETALUMA TO REALLY BE PLANNING OUT HOW IT ACCOUNTS FOR INFILL, HOW IT PREPARES FOR SITES LIKE THIS WHERE, HEY, IF WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA NEED A NET SECOND EGRESS SPOT, WE'VE PLANNED TO HAVE GOTTEN ACCESS TO IT. WHETHER WE NEGOTIATED OR PAID FOR IT OR FOUND TO AN ARRANGEMENT ON IT, DONE THESE THINGS TO PREPARE FOR THESE CHANGES. BECAUSE AS WE GO INTO THE BUDGET SHORTFALL, WE'RE IN THE LAWS THAT MANDATE THESE THINGS WILL ONLY INCREASE AND THE FUNDING AVAILABLE WILL ONLY DECREASE. 'CAUSE THAT'S JUST HOW THESE CYCLES GO. UH, SO I DO ALSO WANNA ENCOURAGE EVERYONE WHO'S HERE. I, REGARDLESS OF HOW TONIGHT GOES, THERE'S A LARGER ADVOCACY TO DO FOR HOW WE PREPARE PLANNING GOING FORWARD. AND I KNOW THAT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE COMFORT FOR SOME FOLKS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO BE SINCERE ABOUT THAT BEING KIND OF THE LONG TERM PATH WITH THAT. THANK YOU CHAIR. UM, I JUST HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS BEFORE COMMENTS. UM, JUST, I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT, BECAUSE I THINK PARKING COULD BE AN ISSUE IN THE AREA AND THINKING ABOUT PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE PARKING ON THE STREET PERHAPS. AND, UM, DID THE FIRE MARSHAL WHEN THEY DID THAT INSPECTION TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FIRE TRUCK CAN LOOP AROUND? DID THEY TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET COULD BE FILLED WITH PARKING? DO YOU KNOW? UH, THEY, IF THEY WOULD REVIEW THE PLANS, UM, DURING BUILDING PERMIT AND IF THERE NEEDED TO BE RED PAINTING OR WHITE PAINTING FOR A FIRE LANE TO PREVENT CARS FROM BLOCKING FIRE ACCESS, THEN THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD FLAG AT, AT THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL. UM, RIGHT NOW THE, THE ROAD WIDENING, UM, IS MORE, MORE OR LESS CONCEPTUAL. AND THEN WHEN THE PLANS, UH, THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS ARE PREPARED, UH, THERE WOULD BE, UM, A PUBLIC WORKS REVIEW FOR THAT PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT AND FIRE WOULD FLAG ANY RED PAINT THAT WOULD HAVE TO, UM, PROVIDE FIRE LANE. OKAY. SO IF IT, IT CAME TO IT THAT IF THEY SAW THAT THE FIRE TRUCKS HAD LIMITED ACCESS, THEN THEY WOULD REDUCE, I GUESS THE FOOTPRINT OF THE DEVELOPMENT SO THAT THERE COULD BE ACCESS, THEY WOULD PRIORITIZE FIRE ACCESS OVER THE SIZE OF THE DEVELOPMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I WOULD IMAGINE. ARE, ARE YOU REFERRING, ARE YOU REFERRING TO STREET PARKING? I'M, I'M, I'M WORRIED ABOUT WHEN THE STREET GETS, UH, THERE ARE TRUCKS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET. THAT FIRE IS NOT, FIRE TRUCKS ARE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO ACCESS THAT AREA BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO MAKE THE TURN. AND HOW DO [03:45:01] I KNOW, HOW DO I KNOW THAT THAT'S TAKEN CARE OF? SO IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THE QUESTION CORRECTLY, SO THE FIRE APPARATUS TURNING RADIUS, UH, INTO THE SITE DRIVEWAY TO PROVIDE ACCESS ONTO THE PROPERTY ITSELF AND USE THE FIRE TURNAROUND. SO THAT WOULD ALL BE, UH, REVIEWED BY PUBLIC WORKS, UM, WITH THE, WITH THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR THE 12 FOOT ROAD WIDENING OF VENA. AND IF IT'S DEEMED NECESSARY BY FIRE THAT THEY NEED TO, UM, RESTRICT PARKING THROUGH LIKE RED PAINT OR SOMETHING LIKE, THEN THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD. OKAY. I JUST MAKE ENFORCE THAT AT THAT TIME AND STREET PARKING WOULDN'T AFFECT THAT, UH, DEDICATION OR THAT EASEMENT. YEAH. FOR THE WIDENING HAS ALREADY BEEN FACTORED INTO THE LAYOUT AND THE NUMBER OF UNITS KNOW, SO IT WOULDN'T AFFECT THE NUMBER OF UNITS. GOOD. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO HAVE MM-HMM, I WANTED YOU TO MAKE ME FEEL BETTER THAT THERE'S SOME BACKUP PLAN TO SAY THAT FIRETRUCKS ARE GONNA BE ABLE TO ACCESS, EVEN IF PARKING DOES BECOME A PROBLEM, THAT THEY'LL RED STRIPE IT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT THEY'S SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN D DO SO THAT THEY CAN STILL ACCESS THE AREA. YES. IT WOULD HAPPEN BEFORE OCCUPANCY. OKAY. SO BEFORE CARS WOULD EVEN PARK THERE. OKAY. GREAT. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WHAT WAS THE OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT? UM, JUST, I JUST HAD THIS OTHER THOUGHT ABOUT THE, THE DOG POOP ISSUE, , AND I WAS WONDERING IF, I MEAN, YOU, THERE'S GONNA BE A PROPERTY MANAGER ON SITE AND WOULD, COULD YOU HAVE LIKE THE PROPERTY MANAGER THERE, IT BE WRITTEN INTO THEIR INSTRUCTION MANUAL TO, YOU KNOW, UH, MAINTAIN THIS DOG POOP AREA TWICE PER DAY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAN? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE DONE, COULD BE DONE, IS GOING TO BE DONE? I'M SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT? IS THIS LIKE, IS THERE SOME INSTRUCTION MANUAL OR PROCEDURES THAT IS GONNA BE WRITTEN INTO, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY MANAGER'S HANDBOOK AND IN ORDER FOR THEM TO MAINTAIN THE DOG PAD AREA? I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THERE IS SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT ALREADY EXISTS, BUT I WILL FIND OUT. I HAVE IT IN HERE, UM, TO, TO, IN MY NOTES TO CHECK ABOUT THE, UM, THE GENERAL RULES FOR RESIDENTS. AND I'M ASSUMING THAT THERE ARE KIND OF, WE WOULD SAY BOILERPLATE RULES THAT EVERY PROPERTY IS GONNA FOLLOW. AND THEN DEPENDING ON THE SITE, UH, SPECIFICITY, WE WOULD SAY THERE'S OTHER RULES THAT WE'RE GONNA ADD. MM-HMM. I WILL FIND OUT WHAT THAT PROCESS IS. AND YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO ADD THIS REQUIREMENT THAT THIS AREA IS MAINTAINED ON A REGULAR BASIS. SURE. YES. YEAH. OKAY. ABSOLUTELY. AWESOME. YES. OKAY. MM-HMM, . THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, AND ASIDE FROM THAT, I DON'T, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK IT'S, YOU COULD, YOU COULD SIT DOWN. I, I JUST WANNA SAY WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A LOT OF ROOM HERE TO DO ANYTHING. I SEE THAT, I DON'T WANNA SAY THIS WAS A COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME, BUT A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT. IT WAS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE REALLY, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE WE COULD CHANGE THE COLOR OF THE BUILDING, BUT I DON'T SEE THAT MUCH MORE THAT WE CAN DO . SO I MEAN, I DON'T EVEN, YOU KNOW, IF I DON'T APPROVE THE PROJECT TONIGHT, I DUNNO, THAT'S JUST GONNA CAUSE BIG PROBLEMS FOR THE CITY AND I THINK THAT IT'S GONNA GET APPROVED ANYWAY IN THE FUTURE. SO, UM, YEAH, I I REALLY WANNA ENCOURAGE THE, UM, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPER TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY AND TRY TO BRIDGE THE DIVIDE BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA BE LIVING THERE AND THE COMMUNITY AND CREATE MAYBE, UM, YOU KNOW, OPPORTUNITIES FOR THEM TO GET TO KNOW EACH OTHER AND INTERACT AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, I, I HOPE THAT IT'S A POSITIVE IN THE END AND I HOPE THAT THE COMMUNITY, UM, THE NEW PEOPLE THAT ARE MOVING IN WILL RESPECT THE PEOPLE THAT ALREADY LIVE THERE AND, UM, CREATE FRIENDSHIPS AND RELATIONSHIPS MAYBE THAT WILL BENEFIT EVERYBODY, BUT YEAH. AND NOT CAUSE AND NOT CAUSE PROBLEMS FOR THE COMMUNITY. SO I ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO WORK, TRY TO WORK THOSE THINGS OUT. BUT OTHERWISE I DON'T THINK, YEAH, I CAN'T NOT APPROVE THE PROJECT, SO I'M GONNA BE APPROVING IT, UH, THANK YOU TO THE APPLICANT AND TO STAFF. AND I THINK PEOPLE HAVE LAID OUT THE REGULATORY FRAMEWORK WE'RE IN, JUST TO READ FROM THE STAFF REPORT, UM, BASICALLY THE CITY CONCLUDES THERE ARE NO SPECIFIC ADVERSE IMPACTS THAT COULD REASONABLY RESULT IN DENIAL OF THIS PROJECT. SO THAT WAS FOR ME, WHEN I LOOK AT A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS, I'M ATTEMPTING TO FIND A HOLE IN THE BOAT, A C***K IN THE ARMOR. AND I TOOK THAT PHRASE AND MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS KNOW THAT. AND I TOOK THAT PHRASE AND REALLY TRIED TO FIND WORKAROUNDS. I TRIED TO FIND WAYS, WHAT ARE THE SCENARIOS BY WHICH THIS PROJECT, AND I THINK WE TEASED A LOT OF THOSE SCENARIOS OUT AND WE SAW THE LITIGATION THREATS THAT THE [03:50:01] CITY WOULD COME UNDER. AND FRANKLY, BASED ON SPEAKING WITH OUR OWN CITY EXPERTS AND THEN OUTSIDE EXPERTS THAT I BOUNCED THESE KIND OF PROJECTS OFF OF, I DON'T THINK WE'D SEE A DIFFERENT RESULT. AND THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH A LAWSUIT TO GET THERE. AND YOU MIGHT HAVE A MORE RECALCITRANT DEVELOPER WHO DOESN'T WANNA WORK WITH YOU BECAUSE YOU'VE NOW PUT THEM THROUGH THIS. UM, SO WITH ALL OF THOSE FACTS ALIGNING AND RELYING ON OUR ATTORNEY'S OFFICE THIS GUIDANCE, UH, I, I CAN'T FIND A WAY AROUND THAT. I THINK IT DOES HIGHLIGHT SOME ITEMS FOR THE CITY THAT SOME OF HAVE BEEN MENTIONED. I'M NOT SURE IF THIS GIVES AN, A FORMAL RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL, BUT WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT CODE ENFORCEMENT. THIS ISSUE ON THE STREETS. WE'RE SEEING IT WITH ENFORCEMENT OF RULES ON THE BOOKS FOR TREE PRESERVATION AND STREET TREE MUNICIPAL CODE. I'M TOLD THERE'S ONE TO TWO FTE CODE ENFORCERS IN THE CITY. SO ONE TO TWO FULL-TIME. AND, AND IF I'M PULLING THAT NUMBER OFF THE CUFF, THAT WAS FROM MEETING WITH A MEMBER OF PLANNING STAFF IN THE CONTEXT OF TREE COMMITTEE. UM, BUT WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT CODE ENFORCEMENT STAFF BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ABLE TO AS EFFECTIVELY ENFORCE RULES ON THE BOOKS AND THINGS LIKE PARKING IN THE STREET WOULD BE ONE OF THOSE ISSUES THAT I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, CATER THOMPSON HIGHLIGHTED REALLY WELL. SO I, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A FORMAL RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL, BUT I WANT THAT TO BE SOME KIND OF OUTPUT OR NOTED. I WOULD SAY IF IT CAN BE PUT AS A RECOMMENDATION TO EXPLORE, THAT WOULD BE A GREAT OUTPUT FROM THIS PROCESS. UM, I ALSO JUST WANT TO HAVE US CONSIDER, AND, AND THIS WOULD DEFINITELY NOT GO INTO FORMAL RECOMMENDATION, BUT I WANT TO HAVE US CONSIDER WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT OUR CURRENT GENERAL PLAN, OUR LAND USE THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH NOW, OUR GENERAL PLAN, LAND USE AND EVENTUAL ZONING CODE THAT WILL COME OUT OF THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT DENSITIES. THESE THINGS LIKE DENSITY BONUSES. AND I KNOW I WAS TALKING WITH STAFF BEFORE OUR MEETING THAT WHEN WE THINK ABOUT WHAT DENSITY WE'RE ALLOWING WHERE IN OUR CITY, LIKE MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IF A DENSITY BONUS IS APPLIED? UH, AND REALLY KNOW KIND OF WHAT THOSE UPPER BOUNDS REALLY ARE, NOT JUST WHAT OUR RULES SAY. SO I THINK THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH OUR KINDA ONE ONCE IN 20 YEARS RESTRUCTURING POTENTIALLY OF CERTAIN AREAS OF OUR GENERAL PLAN LAND USE IN THE CITY. UM, BUT I ALSO WANNA POINT OUT TO UH, COMMISSIONER MCCAIN'S POINT, UH, YOU KNOW, PIECEMEAL PLANNING IS THE REALITY IN A LOT OF COMMITTEES. AND I THINK RIGHT NOW WE'RE STRIVING TO HAVE OUR URBAN DESIGN CATCH UP WITH HOUSING LAWS. AND SO I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL THAT WE DO ENGAGE IN A SPECIFIC PLANNING PROCESS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS PLANNING AREA WOULD BE CALLED. WE CAN HAVE THAT TO BE DETERMINED. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT OUTPUT. SO IF SOMETHING ABOUT CODE ENFORCEMENT ABOUT A SPECIFIC PLANNING PROCESS. AND THEN SOMETHING ELSE THAT CAME OUT OF THIS THAT I DIDN'T EXPECT AND I REALLY APPRECIATED MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC BRINGING UP WAS CITY REQUIREMENTS AROUND PREVAILING WAGE AND WHAT KIND OF LABOR WE WANT TO SEE ON PROJECTS. AND JUST FROM STAFFS AM AM I INTERPRETING THAT RIGHT, THAT IF WE HAD SOME RULE ON THE BOOKS AND OBJECTIVE RULE, I GUESS IT WOULD HAVE TO BE THAT DEVELOPERS EVEN WITH DENSITY BONUS IN THREE 30 WOULD HAVE TO FOLLOW WHAT WE WANNA SEE IN TERMS OF LABOR ON PROJECTS. IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH, I, I THINK THAT IS RIGHT. I BELIEVE SOME CITIES HAVE THOSE PREVAILING WAGES. UH, BUT THEN AGAIN, YOU COULD HAVE THE ISSUE HERE WHERE IT'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THEY QUALIFY FOR THE DENSITY BONUS AND THEY, AND THAT'S ONE OF THEIR CONCESSIONS THERE. WAIVERS. YEAH. BUT CONCEIVABLY FOR UH, NON AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT IS AN ORDINANCE, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT OUTPUT. AND, AND IN THAT SAME VEIN, I THINK THIS DEMONSTRATES THE NEED AND WE'VE JUST DONE THIS AS A CITY. WE JUST PASSED OUR OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR PROJECTS LIKE THIS TO GET MORE OBJECTIVE RULES ON THE BOOKS THAT LEAD TO BETTER DESIGN, BETTER OUTCOMES FOR THESE PROJECTS THAT DON'T HAVE AS MUCH DISCRETIONARY REVIEW. AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT PROCESS CONTINUE. 'CAUSE WE ACKNOWLEDGED AT THE TIME THAT WAS A BANDAID AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT EXPANDED UPON, STRENGTHENED AND IDEALLY LEAD TO SOME KIND OF DESIGN GUIDANCE FOR ALL PROJECTS IN THE CITY. AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CAN BE A FORMAL RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL. I WOULD LOVE IT TO BE, 'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA LET THE BALL DROP WITH WE GOT SOMETHING THROUGH WITH OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS WHEN PROJECTS LIKE THIS HIGHLIGHT THE NEED TO CONTINUE THAT PROCESS AND AND STRENGTHEN OUR OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT WOULD APPLY TO THESE PROJECTS. UM, IN TERMS OF FEEDBACK FOR THE PROJECT, I'M GONNA GET TO SPECIFIC CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. I THINK THESE ARE FEEDBACK FOR THE APPLICANT THAT STAFF CAN GUIDE ME. I DON'T THINK ARE APPROPRIATE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL PER SE. UM, I DON'T WANT AFFORDABLE DEVELOPMENT TO MEAN LACK OF DESIGN FEATURES AND THAT NO WAY IMPUGNS THE DESIGN. I ACTUALLY THINK WITH THE PLANNING EXERCISE YOU GUYS HAD THIS DESIGN IS SOMETHING THAT IS IN TERMS OF SITING, UH, MATCHING WITH THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD, IT MEETS SOME OF THE MARKS. YOU KNOW, I THINK I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A WIDER TRIM USED IN SOME AREAS MAYBE WHERE VERTICAL AND HORIZONTAL AREAS MEET, LIKE I SAID, MAYBE SOME KIND OF TONE CHANGE BETWEEN THOSE AREAS. MAYBE EXPLORE DIFFERENT TRIM TREATMENTS AROUND WINDOWS, MAYBE INSETS OF WINDOWS, MAYBE PICKING [03:55:01] UP ON SOME OF THE OTHER DESIGN FEATURES YOU SEE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, LIKE SOME DIFFERENT TEXTURES, LIKE SOME, I MEAN, AGAIN, NOT AFFECTING THE COST, BUT ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO TRY TO ENHANCE THOSE DESIGN FEATURES JUST THAT MUCH MORE HELPS THIS DEVELOPMENT INTEGRATE WITH THE COMMUNITY THAT MUCH MORE GOING FROM BEING JUST NON-OFFENSIVE TO KIND OF SPEAKING THE DESIGN LANGUAGE AND, AND FEELING LIKE WE'RE NOT SACRIFICING EVERYTHING IN THE DESIGN DEPARTMENT. UM, IN TERMS OF, OH, AND THEN THE OTHER PART OF THIS LACK OF TREE COVERAGE TO SHADE THIS MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF PAVEMENT. I LIKED WHAT COMMISSIONER MOSES SAID ABOUT KEEPING IT IN MIND, UH, FOR THE DEVELOPER. 'CAUSE I BELIEVE YOU'LL BE IN FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS IF PARKING REQUIREMENTS DO CHANGE. LOOKING AT WAYS WE CAN INTEGRATE SOME OF THOSE SPACES TO BECOME COVERAGE FOR SOME OF THOSE LOTS I THINK WOULD BE REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT'S A STANDARD WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP WITH CERTAIN PROJECTS NOW IS LOOKING AT TREE COVERAGE OVER PAVED AREAS. AND SO I WOULD LOVE THAT JUST TO BE IN THE THINKING. AGAIN, NOT A FORMAL CONDITION OF APPROVAL, BUT SPEAKING WITH YOU AS AS THE APPLICANT. UH, AND THEN AGAIN REITERATE THAT ON THAT SOUTH AND EASTERLY BELOW GRADE AREAS, LOOKING AT THE FENCES THERE, I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A LOT WITH THE STEPPING TO ALLOW LIGHT IN, BUT IF THERE'S ANY MATERIALITY OR SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE TO THOSE FENCE TREATMENTS TO ALLOW MORE LIGHT IN, I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT FOR THE USERS OF THE SPACE. AND THEN I THINK THERE IS ALSO, UH, THIS PERMEABLE SURFACE ISSUE THAT MAY COME UP IN CALGARY GREEN REQUIREMENTS DURING A BUILDING PERMIT. BUT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOME KIND OF USE OF PERMEABLE SURFACE IN PARKING OR IN TANDEM PARKING, UM, WHERE IT MAY NOT BE FEASIBLE, BUT THAT'S WHY I DON'T WANNA MAKE IT A FORMAL CONDITION OF APPROVAL. JUST WANNA RECOMMEND IT. UM, FOR ACTUAL CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL FOR THE APPLICANT, I LIKE EXPLORING A COMMUNITY LAY LIAISON OR FORMALIZING SOME KIND OF FEEDBACK LOOP FOR CONTINUED COMMUNITY INPUT. UH, I DO SUPPORT AND AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL GONNA BE COUCHED AS RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE APPLICANT TO THE, TO EXPLORE. AND ANDREW AND DYLAN, I'M GONNA RELY ON YOU FOR APPROPRIATE QUALIFIERS SO THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING INTO TERRITORY. WE SHOULDN'T BE FOR SB THREE 30 AFFECTING COST OR AMOUNT OF UNITS, BUT I SUPPORT A RECOMMENDATION TO PURSUE AN ALTERNATIVE, UH, OR I GUESS THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL WILL BE A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE APPLICANT TO PURSUE AN ALTERNATIVE TO ARTIFICIAL TURF. UM, IN THE PLAY AREAS, UH, CONDITION OF APPROVAL TO HAVE THE APPLICANT, I'M GONNA HAVE TWO FOR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT WORK WITH THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT TO TRY AND FIT FOUR MORE TREES TO MEET THE CURRENT OBJECTIVE GUIDELINES ON TREES PER SQUARE FOOT. I'D LIKE TO SEE IF THERE'S SOME GEOMETRY THERE THAT WORKS GIVEN DEFENSIBLE SPACE AND EVERYTHING ELSE. IT MAY NOT BE, BUT I THINK IT'S WORTH PUTTING IN THERE BECAUSE I HAVE A FEELING WE CAN HIT THAT REQUIREMENT. UM, IN THAT SAME VEIN, I WOULD LIKE THERE TO BE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL TO RECOMMEND THE APPLICANT WORK WITH THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT TO REPLACE AREA. THE RED OAK PROPOSED TO BE PLANTED WITH EITHER LIVE OAK VALLEY OAK, WESTERN SYCAMORE OR ANOTHER NATIVE SPECIES, LOW WATER USE NATIVE SPECIES. UM, AND THEN AS WELL AS REPLACING, UH, THE SPECIES, THE EASTERN RED BUD PLANTINGS WITH WESTERN RED BUDS. UH, AND THEN I SUPPORT WHATEVER RECOMMENDATION FOLKS HAVE SAID IT HERE TO ENGINEER A NOISE AND OR ODOR SOLUTION FOR THE REFUSE AND DOG RELIEF AREA. THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WHERE IT'S SO NONSPECIFIC, IT'S NOT STRONG ENOUGH TO BE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, BUT IF THAT CAN BE IN THERE AS A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE APPLICANT TO EXPLORE WITH ALL THE APPROPRIATE CAVEATS, I THINK THAT WOULD REALLY, WELL AT LEAST RESPOND TO COMMUNITY CONCERN, PUT SOME WEIGHT BEHIND THAT. UM, I DO SUPPORT THE APPLICANT'S CHANGES TO CURRENT CONDITION OF APPROVAL NUMBER 41. UM, I THINK THOSE ARE SENSIBLE AND SOMETHING I ASKED STAFF BEFOREHAND IF WE CAN ALSO ADD A CONDITION OF APPROVAL TO ASK SOMETHING AKIN TO WHAT WE'RE SEEING WITH THE POTENTIAL ELECTRIFICATION, BUT KIND OF AN ONGOING ENGAGEMENT WITH, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNERS REGARDING THIS EASEMENT AND OR THE CITY TO PURSUE A LONG-TERM CONNECTIVITY SOLUTION TO PETALUMA BOULEVARD SOUTH. AND AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE WITH ALL THE APPROPRIATE CAVEATS, NOT TO PUT UNDUE COSTS ON THE PROJECT, BUT IF WE'RE DOING OTHER FOLLOW-UPS AND ASSESSMENTS AS WELL PUT IT MAYBE ON A SIMILAR, UH, YEARLY CADENCE TO EXPLORE THOSE KIND OF OPTIONS BECAUSE THAT FEELS LIKE A FLASHPOINT OF A LOT OF COMMUNITY INPUT AND IT COULD ADDRESS A LOT OF ISSUES IF THAT CONNECTIVITY WAS THERE. UM, SO THAT WALKS THROUGH MY FORMAL CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, MY FEEDBACK. UM, AND I THINK THAT'S IT FOR ME. IT LOOKED LIKE YOU HAD SOMETHING TO SAY IN REGARDS TO THE ODOR CONSTRUCTION. [04:00:01] UH, YEAH, SO I HAD TWO THINGS. UM, ONE, WE WERE JUST, WE WERE JUST DOING A QUICK LOOK AT THE, UM, ODOR CONTROL FOR MM-HMM AND, AND, UM, AJ BROUGHT UP, THERE ARE TREATMENTS YOU CAN DO TO THE, UM, SURFACE OF THE DOG RELIEF AREA THAT PREVENT ODOR. AND WHEN HE SHOWED ME THAT, I, I RECALL HAVING HEARD ABOUT THAT IN OTHER DEVELOPMENTS. SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO LOOK AT THAT WOULD BE MORE EFFECTIVE THAN SCREENING. I DON'T KNOW THAT SCREENING FROM ABOVE WOULD BE VERY, UM, EFFECTIVE FOR ODOR, BUT THROWING THAT OUT THERE, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT. UM, AND I'M SORRY, YOU WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT, UH, WHAT WAS THE LAST CONDITION ENGAGING WITH EITHER THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER FOR THAT PRIVATE STRETCH OR REVENA OR THE CITY YES. FOR SOME KIND OF LONG-TERM SOLUTION THERE? YES. THAT, THAT WAS OUR PREFERENCE WHEN WE FIRST STARTED LOOKING AT THE SITE, WAS TO HAVE THAT CONNECTIVITY OUT THERE AND CERTAINLY OPEN, AND I'VE EXPRESSED THIS TO STAFF AND ALSO, UM, THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT, UH, TO WORKING ON ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, UM, WHETHER WE ARE THE DEVELOPER OR NOT, UM, UH, IF, UH, IF THERE ARE ADJUSTMENTS TO BE MADE THAT IN, WE'RE IN FULL SUPPORT AND COOPERATION OF THAT, SO YEAH. OKAY. TERRIFIC. THANK YOU. CAN I JUST MAKE A COMMENT SPECIFICALLY ON WHAT WE WERE JUST TALKING AROUND THE SURE. ODOR STUFF. I, I DO THINK IT'S WORTH POINTING OUT AS WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ABOUT THE DOG RELIEF AREA, THAT PART OF STAFF'S RESPONSE TO SOME OF COMMUNITY CONCERNS SPECIFICALLY, UM, ABOUT THIS IS THE AESTHETIC SECTION. UM, DOES SAY THAT THERE TO THE WEST, YOU'VE GOT 85 FEET TILL THERE'S AN ADJACENT RESIDENCE TO THE SOUTH. THERE'S 65 FEET TO THE EAST, THERE'S 93 FEET, AND THEN THE CITY OWNED SITE TO THE NORTH IS 260 FEET. SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A LOT OF AIR TO BLOW, UH, SMELLS AWAY AND IT'S DOWN 17 FEET WE'VE BEEN SAYING. SO I PROBABLY HAVE DOGS POOPING AND PEEING CLOSER THAN THAT TO MY BEDROOM WINDOW . UM, SO I'M LESS CONCERNED ABOUT THE ACTUAL IMPACTS OF THAT DOG RELIEF AREA GIVEN THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE DOZENS OF FEET, IT'S GOING TO BE SUNKEN, UM, AND IT'S NOT GONNA BE A DOG RUN. SO I WOULD JUST SAY THAT, UM, TO, TO ADD THAT CONTEXT ON THE DISTANCE. THANK YOU RICK. OKAY. UM, I WANTED TO REVISIT, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF THE CONVERSATION I HAD AROUND SOME OF THE QUESTIONS I ASKED EARLIER. AND, AND, UM, WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT STICKS AND MANDATES, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, LACK OF JURISDICTION, UM, AND DISCRETION OF THIS BODY. UM, BUT I'D LIKE TO SWITCH THE CONVERSATION A LITTLE BIT TO CARROTS. UM, AND SPECIFICALLY AROUND, UH, UH, LIKE I SAID, THE COMMENTS WE HAD, UH, THE, THE COMMENTARY WE HAD EARLIER. UM, ONE OF THOSE IS AROUND, UM, THE DECISION OF, UH, YOU KNOW, FLEX FUEL HEAT PUMPS OR ELECTRIC HEAT PUMPS. UM, JUST CALLS YOUR ATTENTION THAT THE, UM, UH, INFLATION REDUCTION ACT, UM, HEAVILY INCENTIVIZED, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, THE ENCOURAGEMENT OF ALL ELECTRIC INFRASTRUCTURE. AND LATER ON THIS YEAR, THEY'LL BE CHANNELING, UM, LITERALLY MILLIONS IF NOT HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO THE CALIFORNIA ENERGY COMMISSION. CAL CALIFORNIA ENERGY COMMISSION HAS, UM, SET UP A PROGRAM CALLED HOMES, UM, WHICH WILL CHANNEL THOSE FUNDS. THOSE WILL BE REBATES, CASH REBATES THAT'LL BE AVAILABLE, UM, RIGHT AT THE OUTSET. SO BY THE TIME YOUR DECISION MAKING IS, IS, UH, AROUND OR, OR, OR YOUR BUILDER'S DECISION MAKING IS AROUND, UM, UH, MAKING THAT PRODUCT DECISION, THOSE WILL BE AVAILABLE, UM, RIGHT AT THE OUTSET AS A CASH REBATE. SO I THINK THEY'LL STRONGLY, UH, YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO WITH THE ALL ELECTRIC SOLUTION. UM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S AVAILABLE UPFRONT CASH TODAY, NOT AT THESE FIVE-YEAR INTERVALS. THEY WON'T BE AVAILABLE THEN. SO, UH, JUST WANT TO CALL THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION. UM, ALSO, UM, I THINK YOU MENTIONED, UM, THAT YOUR SOLAR EXPERT HAD, HAD, UM, ACCURATELY STATED THAT, THAT THE OUTPUT OF THE SOLAR SYSTEM WITH THE NEW, UH, PG E RATES WILL NOT MAKE AS, AS FAVORABLE, FAVORABLE IMPACT ON ELECTRICITY USAGE. UM, AND SO FOR THAT REASON, SIMILARLY, UM, THERE ARE IRA, UH, REBATES THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR ATTACHING, UM, BATTERIES ONTO THE SOLAR SYSTEMS. SO YOU CAN CHARGE DURING THE DAY WHEN SOLAR'S PRODUCING DISCHARGE IN THE EVENING HOURS, WHEN ACTUALLY THE, THE ELECTRICITY RATES ARE VERY, VERY HIGH. SO THERE'S A HIGH VALUE, THERE'S PROBABLY NO ASPECT OF THE INFLATION REDUCTION ACT, WHICH IS MORE GENEROUS THAN THOSE THAT, UM, ENCOURAGE THESE BATTERIES WITH SOLAR TO MULTIFAMILY HOUSING AND TO AFFORDABLE H UM, AFFORDABLE MULTIFAMILY HOUSING. SO, AGAIN, [04:05:01] ENCOURAGE YOU TO EMPLOY SOME OF THOSE, THOSE CARROTS RATHER THAN THE STICKS THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT SO MUCH TONIGHT. UM, LAST THING IS, UH, THERE WAS A, A COMMENT MADE RIGHT AT THE END OF THE DISCUSSION ABOUT EV CHARGING AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THE EXPERIENCE TO DATE HAS BEEN THERE HAS NOT BEEN THAT MUCH, UM, USAGE OF EVS. AND, AND OF COURSE, TO DATE IT'S BEEN MOSTLY A LUXURY ITEM WITH VERY FEW EXCEPTIONS. WE'RE GETTING THE POINT RIGHT NOW WHERE ACROSS THE BOARD, EVS ARE AVAILABLE FOR LESS THAN $300 A MONTH, UM, FOR, FOR LEASES. SO THE AFFORDABILITY, IT'S, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MORE LUXURY VEHICLES, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE COME TO, UM, TO ASSOCIATE TO DATE WITH ELECTRIC VEHICLES, UM, IT'S BECOMING VERY, VERY AFFORDABLE. SO I THINK IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE, A LOT OF YOUR RESIDENCES, EVEN IN AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING ENVIRONMENT, UM, WILL HAVE ACCESS TO THESE. AND THE DECISION TO PUT THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IN IS MUCH CHEAPER NOW THAN IT WILL BE LATER ON. SO JUST WANTED TO CALL ATTENTION TO THAT. UM, UH, THE LAST POINT, ONE OF THE, UM, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS HAD TO DO WITH THE, UM, THE CITY'S PROPERTY THAT'S ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY AND WHAT THAT FUTURE USAGE MIGHT BE. I, I, I DO WANNA, UM, KIND OF, UH, ECHO THAT COMMENT ABOUT WHETHER IT'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING THERE OR WHETHER IT'S A, A PARK. I DO THINK, UM, IT IS RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY TO LOOK INTO OUR INVENTORY OF PROPERTY AND TO MAKE CONSIDERATIONS FOR HOW TO BEST USE THAT PROPERTY. UM, WE PUT A LOT OF THOSE MANDATES ON, UM, ON OUR COMMUNITY AND DEVELOPERS WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. BUT I DO, I DO THINK THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF, UM, A GREAT USE OF CITY PROPERTY FOR A PARK THERE, FOR INSTANCE. UM, SO I, I DO JUST WANNA, UM, UH, REINFORCE THAT CONCEPT AND, AND, UH, THIS MIGHT BE A GREAT PLACE TO START. GREAT. THANKS, CHAIR. COUNCIL MEMBER. OKAY. IT'S GOING. UM, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, UM, WE HAVE OTHER AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS IN PETALUMA AND THEY, THEY REALLY WORKED WITH US TO MAKE ELECTRIFICATION AND ADDING, YOU KNOW, ONE 10 PLUGS FOR BIKES. UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, AND THEY'RE TAKING OUT ARTIFICIAL TURF. SO WE HAVE OTHER PRO OTHER DEVELOPERS FOR LOW INCOME HOUSING THAT HAVE ACCOMMODATED THIS. AND SO IT WOULD BE GREAT IF YOU COULD, UM, TAKE SOME OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO HEART, UH, BECAUSE THIS EXPERIENCE MAKES ME THINK THAT WE NEED TO CONDITION OUR IMPACT FEES ON COMPLYING WITH OUR CITY GOALS. 'CAUSE THIS IS REALLY OPPOSITE OF WHAT THE CITY GOAL IS AS FAR AS ELECTRIFICATION, UM, AND THE ARTIFICIAL TURF. WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT THAT. AND SO IT WOULD BE GREAT IF YOU COULD REALLY START, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THAT BECAUSE WE KNOW IT CAN HAPPEN BECAUSE WE HAVE THEIR OTHER PROJECTS. UM, SO AS FAR AS, I'M JUST GONNA GO ON MY LIST. THE ELECTRICAL FOR THE E E-BIKES, UM, THAT SHOULD BE PRETTY SIMPLE. AND TO BE KIND OF BEING TOLD, WELL, WE'RE NOT SURE IF WE CAN PUT ONE 10 IN, DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME. I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT ACCOMMODATING. UM, I'M SURE YOU'RE RIGHT THAT IT'S PROBABLY SIMPLE, BUT AS I'M NOT AN ELECTRICAL ENGINEER, I JUST, I HESITATE TO PROMISE YOU SOMETHING OFF THE CUFF WITHOUT KNOWING THAT IT'S POSSIBLE TO ADD. RIGHT. OKAY. I HEAR THAT. AND THEN, UM, BACK TO WHAT, UM, COMMISSIONER WISSMANN WAS TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S COMING DOWN AT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. I MEAN, THERE ARE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES, UM, COMING FORWARD AND THEY SHOULD BE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS ARE GETTING GREAT, GREAT IMPACT FEES ARE BEING WAIVED. AND SO THERE HAS TO BE SOME, A LITTLE BIT OF GIVE HERE. UM, AND AS FAR AS THE ARTIFICIAL TURF, I WOULD PREFER IF THAT WASN'T IN THERE, IN THOSE SPOTS. UM, AND, UM, CHARCOAL BARBECUES PREFER NOT TO HAVE THAT. AND COMMISSIONER WESSMAN'S, RIGHT? I MEAN, ELECTRIC CAR EV CARS ARE COMING DOWN WHEN IT COSTS, YOU KNOW, GAS IS TWO, $300 A MONTH. IT'S A LOT EASIER TO, UM, GO ELECTRIC IF YOU CAN. YOU CAN PAY FOR A LEASE THAT WAY. UM, AS FAR AS THE RULES ON PARKING CODES, YOU SHOULD KNOW WHAT THOSE RULES ARE AND HAVE PAMPHLETS SO PEOPLE KNOW WHEN THEY MOVE IN WHAT THE RULES ARE. SO WE DON'T GO THROUGH BREAKING THOSE CODES, WHICH IS HAPPENING ALL AROUND TOWN. AND SO AT LEAST YOU CAN, UM, MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. UM, [04:10:01] DO THE, IS IS THERE NOISE FROM THE ROOF ROOFTOPS FROM THESE EQUIPMENT? IS THERE GONNA BE OPEN THE HEATERS AND WHAT IS THAT NOISE LEVEL? I DIDN'T WANNA JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION OFF RECORD. UM, THERE ARE ROOFTOP UNITS, THERE, AC UNITS, THE AIR, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE AN AC UNIT, IT'S A FAN TYPICALLY, AND THE NOISE GOES UP. SO THERE'S NO AIR, THERE'S NO NOISE THAT'S GOING THIS WAY. PLUS THEY'RE ENCLOSED IN A PARAPET. THAT'S ABOUT, I THINK, BASED ON THE SECTION, ABOUT 22 TO 26 INCHES ABOVE THE HEIGHT OF THE HIGHEST POINT OF THAT UNIT. SO THE, IT CHANNELS ALL THE NOISE UP. ARE WE SURE ABOUT THAT? YES. WE HAVE AN ACOUSTICAL ENGINEERING REPORT THAT STATES THAT, AND THE SPECS FOR THE UNITS ARE IN THE DESIGN REVIEW BOOKLET THAT YOU HAVE. I SAW THOSE. OKAY. BECAUSE I HAVE SOMETHING SIMILAR AND IT IS NOISY. I DON'T HEAR IT 'CAUSE I'M IN THE HOUSE, BUT MY NEIGHBOR DOES, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE. YEP. UM, AS FAR AS, UM, DO WE, YOU'RE WE'RE KIND OF TALKING MAYBE A SPECIFIC PLAN DOWN IN THIS AREA OR A SPECIFIC PLAN, BUT THAT WOULD HAVE, WE COULD PROBABLY APPLY FOR GRANTS OR SOMETHING, BUT I KNOW THROUGH THE GENERAL PLAN THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK OF WHAT COULD BE ON PETALUMA BOULEVARD. UM, AS FAR AS PREVAILING WAGES, I BELIEVE IF THE CITY PUTS MONEY INTO A PROJECT, THEN PREVAILING WAGES ARE PART OF THE PROJECT. IS THAT CORRECT? IF THERE WAS GONNA BE SOME ADDITION OF LIKE THE CITY INFRASTRUCTURE, SO SIDEWALKS ROAD, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, I THINK THIS IS ALL PRIVATE. NO, I KNOW. I UNDERSTAND. THIS ONE IS, BUT IF, BUT YES, IF CITY PUT MONEY INTO IT, SO LIKE, UM, DANCO AND THE ONE ON THE BOULEVARD YES. COUNCIL. THAT'S CORRECT. STREET UHHUH. . SO THOSE WILL BE PREVAILING? CORRECT. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, I DON'T KNOW, THERE'S, I GUESS I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE NOX BOX JUST TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT LIKE A FENCED IN AREA SO IT'S NOT COMPLETELY CLOSED OFF, WHICH IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD DO, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IS NOT DONE. UM, I THINK EVERYBODY ELSE HAS ASKED THE QUESTIONS AND THEY'VE BEEN ANSWERED. THANK YOU. UM, ANDREW, YOU'VE BEEN DILIGENTLY TAKING NOTES ON ALL OF THE CONDITIONS ON ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE REQUESTED. SO BEFORE I ASK ANY OF US TO MAKE A MOTION, I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD REVIEW BACK THE CONDITIONS THAT WE'VE COLLECTED SO FAR. SURE. THANK YOU, CHAIR. SO, UM, PRIOR TO THE MEETING, THE APPLICANT HAD REQUESTED MODIFICATIONS TO SEVERAL OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AS DRAFTED. UM, AND SO I'M GONNA BEGIN WITH THOSE REQUESTS FOR MODIFICATIONS. UM, AND THEY MAY NOT NECESSARILY REFLECT EXACTLY, UH, THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST, UH, BUT THEY RESPOND TO THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST. SO, UH, CONDITION 21 CONCERNS, UM, THE, THE, UM, CONDITION OF APPROVAL FOR COORDINATION WITH, UH, TRIBAL MONITORING DURING GROUND DISTURBING ACTIVITY. AND SO WE WOULD MODIFY CONDITION 21 TO ADD THE FOLLOWING SENTENCE. THIS CONDITION OF APPROVAL MAY BE MODIFIED PURSUANT TO FIGR. THAT'S A FEDERATED INDIANS OF GREAT RANCHERIA AND THE APPLICANT EXECUTING A TRIBAL MONITORING AGREEMENT TO REFLECT THE TERMS OF SUCH AN AGREEMENT. SO IN OTHER WORDS, CONDITION 21 COULD AUTOMATICALLY BE MODIFIED PURSUANT TO A TRIBAL MONITORING AGREEMENT THAT IS ENTERED INTO BY THE APPLICANT. AND, UM, THE, UH, GRAYTON RANCHERIA, THE REASON WHY WE WOULD PREFER TO TAKE THAT APPROACH IS BECAUSE THAT CONDITION OF APPROVAL WAS PROVIDED BY GRAYTON RANCHERIA. SO, UM, THAT WAS NOT SHAPED BY PLANNING. AND THEREFORE IF GRAYTON RANCHERIA WANTS TO MODIFY THAT CONDITION OF APPROVAL, UM, AND THE APPLICANT AGREES TO IT, WE THINK THAT THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO SO. THEN, UM, CONDITION 38. UH, THIS WOULD RELATE TO THE KNOX BOX AND TO, TO THE GATE, UH, QUESTION, UM, WE'VE DRAFTED, APPLICANT SHALL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR REPLACING EXISTING GATED ACCESS AT THE TERMINUS OF VENA LANE WITH A NEW GATOR BALLARDS THAT SHOULD BE ACCESSIBLE [04:15:01] TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND EMERGENCY RESPONDERS THROUGH THE INSTALLATION OF ANOX BOX OR OPTIC, OR SIMILAR TECHNOLOGY IN THE EVENT OF AN EMERGENCY OR WILDFIRE EVACUATION SCENARIO. CONDITION 41. UH, THIS RELATES TO THE REQUEST BY THE, UH, CIVIL ENGINEER TO MODIFY THAT CONDITION, UM, WITHOUT CITY ENGINEER HERE TO, UH, TO CONFIRM HOW THAT CONDITION SHOULD BE MODIFIED. IT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CROSS SLOPE PRECLUDES INSTALLATION OF A CROSSWALK ACROSS RAVINA AT THE INTERSECTION OF, UH, JACQUELINE AND RAVINA. HOWEVER, THE CONDITION COULD BE MODIFIED TO SAY A REQUIRED DIRECTIONAL RAMPS OR CURB RAMPS AND NEW CROSSWALK STRIPING AND SIGNAGE AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF RENA LANE AND JACQUELINE LANE, AND AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF RENA LANE AND JACQUELINE LANE SHALL BE INSTALLED AS DIRECTED BY THE CITY ENGINEER THAT WILL GIVE THE CITY ENGINEER THE OPTION OF, UM, REVERSING A PRIOR CONDITION OF APPROVAL AND, UM, MAKING, MAKING THE, UH, THE REQUIREMENTS CONSISTENT WITH I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT'S INTENT. THEN WE HAVE CONDITIONS 53 THROUGH 55, UH, QUITE SIMPLY MODIFY THE MUNICIPAL CODE REFERENCE TO REFER TO PETALUMA MUNICIPAL CODE SECTION 15 POINT 15.070, FOLLOWED BY REFERENCE SUBSECTIONS. UM, THAT INCORRECT SECTION, UH, WAS REFERENCED THERE INITIALLY. THEN WE GET INTO THE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS THAT ARE A RESULT OF THIS EVENING'S REVIEW, UH, PLANNING CONDITION. ADDITIONAL CONDITION RECOMMENDS CONTINUING TO ANALYZE OPTIONS FOR CREATING ACCESS TO PETALUMA BOULEVARD SOUTH VIA THE EXISTING ACCESS EASEMENT OR IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY. UH, NEXT ADDITIONAL CONDITION, RECOMMEND EVALUATING THE INCLUSION OF LIVE OAK VALLEY, OAK, WESTERN SYCAMORE, OR ANOTHER LOW WATER SPECIES IN THE TREE PLANTING. PLAN AND REPLACE THE EASTERN RED BUD WITH WESTERN RED BUD. SUBJECT TO PLANTING REVIEW AND APPROVAL. I WOULD JUST ADD THOSE SPECIES LISTED, UM, IN LIEU OF THE RED OAK. THEY CURRENTLY PLAN. DO YOU WANT IT TO SAY LOW WATER AND NATIVE? YES. THAT WE CAPTURE IT. OKAY. SO WE HAVE RECOMMEND EVALUATING THE INCLUSION OF LIVE OAK VALLEY OAK, WESTERN SYCAMORE, OR ANOTHER LOW WATER NATIVE SPECIES IN LIEU OF THE CURRENTLY PROPOSED RED OAK IN THE TREE PLANTING. PLAN AND REPLACE EASTERN REDWOOD WITH REST WITH WESTERN RED BUD. SUBJECT TO PLANNING, REVIEW AND APPROVAL. GREAT, THANK YOU. UM, ANOTHER ADDITIONAL CONDITION. RECOMMEND INCREASING TREE PLANTINGS NEAR THE DOG RELIEF AREA AND OTHER AREAS TO ACHIEVE MINIMUM TREE PLANTING REQUIREMENT. SUBJECT TO PLANTING REVIEW AND APPROVAL. ANOTHER CONDITION RECOMMEND INSTALLING BICYCLE EV CHARGING STATIONS WITHIN BICYCLE PARKING AREA. ANOTHER CONDITION RECOMMEND REPLACING ARTIFICIAL TURF AROUND THE CHILDREN'S PLAY AREA WITH ANOTHER MATERIAL SUCH AS GRAVEL. ANOTHER CONDITION RECOMMEND INSTALLING ELECTRIC GRILLS IN THE OUTDOOR ACTIVITY AREA. ANOTHER CONDITION APPLICANT SHALL PROVIDE SUITABLE ODOR CONTROL SOLUTION TO ADDRESS POTENTIAL ODOR IMPACTS OF DOG PARK SLASH RELIEF AREA. ANOTHER CONDITION, ESTABLISH AND MAINTAIN A COMMUNITY LIAISON ROLE WITHIN PROPERTY MANAGEMENT STAFF TO PROVIDE FOR REGULAR COMMUNITY INTERACTIONS. SUBMIT DOCUMENTATION OF ESTABLISHED ROLE TO PLANNING STAFF, ANOTHER CONDITION PRIOR TO SUBMITTAL AND THE FINAL CONDITION, ADDITIONAL CONDITION. SO PRIOR TO SUBMITTAL OF A BUILDING PERMIT FOR CONSTRUCTION, RECEIVE FEEDBACK FROM THE SENIOR ADVISORY COMMITTEE ABOUT THE PROPOSED OUTDOOR RECREATION FACILITIES DESIGN. PROVIDED THAT ANY PUBLIC MEETING ACTIVITY TO FULFILL THIS CONDITION OF APPROVAL DOES NOT RESULT IN EXCEEDING THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF LAB PUBLIC MEETINGS UNDER SB THREE 30. CAN, IS THERE ARTIFICIAL TURF IN THE DOG AREA ALSO AND IN THE TOT LOT, BUT ALSO THE ADULT AREA? UH, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION, BUT WE COULD CHANGE THE RECOMMENDED ADDITIONAL CONDITION TO RECOMMEND REPLACING ARTIFICIAL TURF THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT SITE WITH ANOTHER MATERIAL SUCH AS GRAVEL. THANK YOU. AND ALSO, UM, THE DOG AREA. JUST LOOK AT, OR MAYBE EVEN THE, [04:20:01] UM, PICNIC AREA. A TRELLIS OF SOME SORT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING, AN OVERHANG OF SOME SORT IF NEEDED. I DON'T KNOW HOW THE SIGN WORKS OVER THERE. SO THEN WE WOULD ADD ANOTHER ADDITIONAL CONDITION OF APPROVAL. UM, EVALUATE STRUCTURE. YEAH. AND PUBLIC GATHERING SPACES RECOMMEND EVALUATION OF INSTALLING SHADE STRUCTURES AND PUBLIC GATHERING IN ALL OUTDOOR PUBLIC GATHERING SPACES. RESIDENT GATHERING SPACES OF THE PUBLIC RESIDENT GATHERING SPACES, INCLUDING THE DOG PARK RELIEF AREA. OKAY. AND THEN I, I ASK A QUESTION BEFORE WE TALK. GO AHEAD. UH, YOU WERE DOING THAT SO WELL AND SO QUICKLY I COULDN'T QUITE KEEP UP. SO, UH, THE LAST TWO CONDITIONS THAT YOU, UM, RECOMMENDED BEFORE, UM, THE LAST TWO ADDITIONS, THE LAST FOUR ADDITIONS, THE, WAS IT FOUR ? I'M TRYING TO KEEP TRACK. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THAT AGAIN? THE, THE LAST TWO CONDITIONS THAT YOU READ, UM, WHEN YOU WERE GOING THROUGH THE LIST THAT WERE BEING ADDED, COULD YOU, WERE THOSE WORDED AS RECOMMENDATIONS? SO THE LAST, UH, TWO THAT I HAVE ARE ESTABLISH AND MAINTAIN A COMMUNITY LIAISON ROLE WITHIN PROPERTY MANAGEMENT STAFF TO PROVIDE FOR REGULAR COMMUNITY INTERACTIONS, SUBMIT DOCUMENTATION OF ESTABLISHED ROLE TO PLANNING STAFF. WAS THAT ONE OF THOSE? YES. OKAY. UM, OKAY. WELL, I I THINK IT'S PROBABLY OKAY 'CAUSE YOU'RE, UM, SUBJECT TO APPROVAL FOR PLANNING STAFF. SO WE CAN WORK WITH YOU ON, I I JUST WORRY ABOUT THE LANGUAGE OF ESTABLISHING A ROLE BECAUSE THE PROPERTY MANAGER WILL HAVE A PREDETERMINED ROLE. MM-HMM. . AND WE WOULD BE ADDING TO THEIR DUTIES, BUT IT HAS TO WORK WITH THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT'S CONTRACT WITH THE PROPERTY MANAGER. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE LEAVING FLEXIBILITY IN THERE, IN THAT LANGUAGE. OKAY. AND THE ONE, THE ONE AFTER THAT, AND THEN THE FINAL ONE PRIOR TO SUBMITTAL OF A BUILDING PERMIT FOR CONSTRUCTION. MM-HMM. RECEIVED FEEDBACK FROM THE SENIOR ADVISORY COMMITTEE ABOUT THE PROPOSED OUTDOOR RECREATION FACILITIES DESIGN PROVIDED THAT ANY PUBLIC MEETING ACTIVITY TO FULFILL THIS CONDITION OF APPROVAL DOES NOT RESULT IN EXCEEDING THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF ALLOWED PUBLIC MEETINGS UNDER SB THREE 30. GREAT. OKAY. AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER NOTE THAT I HAD IS ON, UM, CONDITION 38. UM, AGAIN, I HESITATE TO HAVE IT WRITTEN THAT WAY BECAUSE WE CANNOT, WE DO NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE THAT DECISION ON OUR OWN. THAT REQUIRES THE COOPERATION OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO THE WEST. IS THE INTENT TO TRY TO PREVENT THROUGH TRAFFIC WITH HAVING A FENCE? WELL, I BELIEVE THAT, YES. I BELIEVE THAT SHOULD BE THE INTENT. THAT SHOULD BE OUR PRIMARY GOAL IS TO PREVENT THROUGH TRAFFIC BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AN IMPROVED ROADWAY TO SUPPORT VEHICULAR TRAFFIC. AND SO THAT CREATES A SAFETY ISSUE. UM, AS WELL AS THE FACT THAT WE WOULD BE TRANSITIONING FROM A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY TO LIKELY SOME SORT OF PRIVATE RIGHT OF WAY. AND, AND THAT SHOULD BE CONTROLLED ACCESS THEN. SO I, I BELIEVE THERE SHOULD BE, UM, SOME SORT OF, OF CONTROLLED ACCESS OF SOME FORM, BUT IT SHOULD ALSO THEN ALLOW FOR PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLIST AS WELL. THE, THE, THE COMPLICATION, UM, I THINK WILL BE THAT THE, AT THE POINT WHERE, UM, OUR RESIDENTS WOULD BE ENTERING THE PROJECT CROSSES OVER INTO THE EASEMENT. SO THE GATE THAT YOU WOULD BE, THE CITY WOULD BE REQUIRING IN THIS CONDITION WOULD ACTUALLY BE IN THE EASEMENT AS OPPOSED TO ON CITY PROPERTY IN FRONT OF THE EASEMENT. SO I THINK WE WOULD JUST BE CROSSING INTO, UM, PARTICIPATING IN A PRIVATE EASEMENT THAT NEITHER OF US HAS THE AUTHORITY TO DECIDE ON BY OURSELVES. SURE. OKAY. HOLD THAT THOUGHT FOR JUST A MOMENT. CHAIR. WE NEED TO TAKE A VOTE TO, UH, CONTINUE THE MEETING PAST 10 30. AND ALSO, UM, ACTUALLY I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A VOTE TO CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING OF MEETING ITEM TO GO ON TO A MEETING ITEM MEMBER OR WHATEVER THE NEXT ITEM FOUR, [04:25:01] RIGHT. TO CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING FOR MEETING ITEM THREE. THAT'S THE VOTE WE NEED TO TAKE BY 10 30. AND THEN BY 11 WE WOULD NEED TO VOTE TO GO PAST 11. OKAY. SO, SORRY, WE NEED TO VOTE. LET US TALK AT FOUR. WELL, RIGHT, IF YOU, IF YEAH. SO THEN THREE AND FOUR. SO WE WOULD NEED A VOTE TO, TO, UH, YEAH. CONSIDER MEETING ITEMS THREE AND FOUR. CAN I HAVE A, UH, A MOTION TO GO PAST 10 30 AND ALLOW FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF ITEMS THREE AND FOUR? I'LL MAKE THE MOTION. I'LL SECOND. OKAY. COMMISSIONER BAUER. AYE. COMMISSIONER MOSES? YES. COMMISSIONER MCCARLEY? YES. COMMISSIONER KUSON? YES. COMMISSIONER WIMAN? YES. COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON? YES. CHAIR HOOPER? YES. THE MOTION IS APPROVED. GREAT. THANK YOU. UM, SO I THINK WHAT I THINK WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS WRITE THE CONDITIONS SUCH THAT IT ACHIEVES THE GOAL OF CONTROLLING ACTS, VEHICULAR ACCESS, BUT ALLOWS THE APPLICANT AND PLANNING STAFF TO WORK WITH THE CITY ENGINEER AS WELL TO ACHIEVE THAT GOAL. SO I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S HOW, UH, CONDITION 30 H SHOULD BE REWRITTEN. UM, DO I GET INVOLVED IN THAT THING? THIS PROPOSED FENCE IS BLOCKING ACCESS TO MY A U THE ROAD GOES ALL THE WAY BACK TO MY A U THAT'S IN THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY. SO YOU PUT A FENCE THERE AND NOW I'M RESTRICTING MY OWN USAGE IF I CALL. WELL, I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT AS PART OF DEVELOPING A SOLUTION. SO, UM, AS PROPERTY OWNER, YOU WOULD BE INVOLVED IN THAT DISCUSSION. THANK YOU. 'CAUSE I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THEM FOR OVER A YEAR ABOUT THE USE OF MY PROPERTY. CAN CAN WE STATE CLEARLY AS PART OF THE CONDITION, AND FORGIVE ME IF IT WAS, AND I SIMPLY JUST LOST TRACK, BUT CAN WE SPEAK CLEARLY THAT THE INTENT OF THE CONDITION IS TO WORK, WORK WITH ALL PARTIES INVOLVED TO HAVE SOME KIND OF GAIT OR RESTRICTION TO ACCESS UNLESS, UNLESS WE ARE DEALING WITH EMERGENCY SITUATION THAT WAY WE'RE NOT TRYING TO WORKSHOP EXACTLY WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AT THIS MEETING. SO LET'S SAY APPLICANT SHALL WORK WITH CITY STAFF AND ALL OTHER PARTIES INVOLVED TO LIMIT VEHICULAR ACCESS TO THE PRIVATE DRIVE ACCESS EASEMENT MM. WHILE ALLOWING FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS. THANK YOU. GREAT. SO I THINK IN SUMMARY, I WON'T READ THEM ALL AGAIN, BUT IN SUMMARY, WE'LL HAVE MODIFICATIONS TO DRAFT, UH, CONDITIONS 21, 38, 41, AND 53 THROUGH 55 THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN THE DRAFT RESOLUTION FOR CONSIDERATION. AND THEN WE ARE ADDING ON, UM, 10 ADDITIONAL, UH, CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT ARE REQUESTED BY THE COMMISSION. IS, UH, THE DOG POOP BAGS THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL. OH MY GOSH. I'LL NOTE THAT ON THEIR MAP THERE IS A DOG WASTE SYSTEM DISPENSER LISTED AT NUMBER NINE. ABSOLUTELY. SO I THINK THEY ALREADY GOT IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A DOG, UM, AND I KNOW THIS ISN'T PART OF CONDITIONS FOR APPROVAL, BUT AS PART OF THIS THEORETICAL PACKAGE THAT WE'RE, WE'D BE VOTING ON THAT ALSO INCLUDE RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL FOR THERE TO BE AREA SPECIFIC PLANNING FOR THE AREA. WELL, I THINK THAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL, WHICH I HAVE IDENTIFIED HERE, I HAVE PURSUE A MASTER SPECIFIC PLANNING PROCESS FOR THE CUMULATIVE PROPERTIES, DESIGNATED MEDIUM DENSITY BY THE GENERAL PLAN, AUGMENT CODE ENFORCEMENT STAFF TO MORE FULLY REINFORCE CITY REGULATIONS THROUGHOUT THE [04:30:01] CITY, EVALUATE THE PREVAILING WAGE REQUIREMENT FOR ALL AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS, AND EXPAND UPON AND STRENGTHEN OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS TO INCLUDE DESIGN GUIDANCE FOR ALL PROJECTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. THOSE, UH, FOUR RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD BE DELIVERED TO COUNCIL THROUGH A SEPARATE MEMORANDUM. GREAT. AS OPPOSED TO VIA THIS, UH, PROJECT'S RESOLUTION. GREAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, UNLESS THERE ARE NO OTHER COMMENTS, I THINK WE'RE AT THE POINT OF, UH, MOTION BEING MADE ALL MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE SPAR CQA ETAL, AS WELL AS THE NEW CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AND MODIFIED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. I'LL SECOND THANK YOU. IF WE CAN GET A ROLL CALL VOTE. COMMISSIONER BAUER? YES. COMMISSIONER MOSES? YES. COMMISSIONER MCCARLEY? YES. COMMISSIONER KUSON? YES. COMMISSIONER WIMAN? YES. COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON? YES. CHAIR HOOPER. YES. THE VOTE IS PASSED. OKAY. WITH THAT, AT 10 34, WE'VE GOTTEN THROUGH OUR FIRST DISCUSSION ITEM. WE ARE LEARNING TIME MANAGEMENT, EVERYONE, WE ARE LEARNING IT, UH, AND I'M JUST AS MUCH TO BLAME. I I KNOW I WENT ON DONE ALL BIO BREAK. UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A 10 MINUTE BREAK. YES. OKAY. CAN YOU HEAR ME? GREAT. UM, WE ARE BACK FROM OUR TOTALLY ONLY 10 MINUTE BREAK AND WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO MEETING ITEM THREE. IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING, A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY OF PETALUMA PLANNING COMMISSION TO CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW OR SPAR FOR PROPOSED MAL MAL WAY RESIDENT PROJECT, WHICH IS LOCATED AT 118 KIMBERLY WAY. UH, BECAUSE IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING, THIS DOES NOT REQUIRE THE COMMISSION TO DISCLOSE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS. AND WITH THIS, I'D LIKE TO INVITE, UH, STAFF TO PRESENT. I BELIEVE WE HAVE DANIEL HARRISON, ASSOCIATE PLANNER. HELLO, DANIEL. THANK YOU. ON PROBABLY HELP. WE CAN'T HEAR YOU. HOW'S THAT? OKAY, GREAT. UH, OKAY. PLEASANT. GOOD EVENING TO EVERYONE. MY NAME IS DANIEL HARRISON. I'M AN ASSOCIATE PLANNER WITH THE CITY OF PETALUMA, AND I'M HERE TO PRESENT THE PROJECT BEFORE YOU TONIGHT. UM, WE ALSO HAVE THE PROJECT APPLICANT, WHO IS THE ARCHITECT, UH, JEFF FERRELL WITH FARRELL IN FAVOR, ASSOCIATES IN ATTENDANCE, AND HE WILL GIVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION FOLLOWING THIS ONE. UM, THE ITEM BEFORE YOUR REVIEW TONIGHT IS SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW. UM, AS WE CALL IT SPAR FOR CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE AND ASSOCIATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS ON AN CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED PARCEL AT ONE 18 KIMBERLY WAY. THE PROJECT'S RECORD NUMBER IS PLSR 20 23 0 0 1 6. I'M GONNA BEGIN BY PROVIDING A BACKGROUND OF THE PROJECT SITE, FOLLOWED BY A DESCRIPTION OF THE PROJECT AND THEN AN ANALYSIS OF THE PROJECT'S COMPLIANCE WITH APPLICABLE GUIDELINES. UH, WE'LL CONCLUDE THE PRESENTATION WITH A RECOMMENDATION ON THE PROJECT. AND JUST ONE QUICK POINT OF CLARIFICATION, IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT YOU RECEIVED, THERE WAS A MISLABELING OF FIGURES FIVE AND SEVEN. FIGURE FIVE SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE EAST ELEVATION, WHICH IS THE LEFT SIDE. WHEN YOU'RE FACING THE PROJECT FROM COUNTRY CLUB DRIVE, FIGURE SEVEN SHOULD BE LABELED THE NORTH ELEVATION. SO APOLOGIES FOR THAT ERROR ERROR. AND JUST LET US KNOW IF YOU NEED ANY MORE, UH, CLARIFICATION ON THAT. SO, UM, SOME BACKGROUND ON THE PROJECT SITE ITSELF. IT'S LOCATED ON, UM, APPROXIMATELY, UM, 0.18 ACRE PARCEL IN THE SOUTHEASTERN PORTION OF THE CITY. UM, IT'S WITHIN THE COUNTRY CLUB ESTATES PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, UH, WHAT WE CALL A PUD. UM, THE SITE FEATURES AN AVERAGE SLOPE AROUND 16%, UM, AND THE EXISTING SITE CONDITIONS FEATURE, UM, JUST KIND OF A FEW SHRUBS, UM, NO PROTECTED TREES AND LITTLE VEGETATION, OBVIOUSLY, IT KIND OF VARIES SEASONALLY, BUT, UM, THERE AGAIN, THERE, THERE'S NOT A LOT ON THE SITE, AS YOU'LL SEE IN THE IMAGES, UM, IN THE NEXT FEW SLIDES. SO, AGAIN, JUST SOME, UM, KIND OF CONTEXT FOR THE PROJECT LOCATION. UM, THERE'S A 10 FOOT PUBLIC UTILITY EASEMENT THAT EXTENDS [04:35:01] FROM THE REAR LOT LINE AND THAT RUNS ACROSS THE REAR OF THE LOT, THE REAR OF THE LOT BEING, UM, THE LOT LINE THAT'S CLOSEST TO THE PRIVATE DRIVEWAY THAT IS ACCESSED FROM KIMBERLY WAY. UM, THERE'S ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE SITE IS REALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IT, IT'S HEAVILY SLOPED KIND OF FROM SOUTH TO SOUTHEAST TO NOR SORRY, . IT'S A LITTLE LATE SOUTHWEST TO NORTHEAST. AND IT'S LOGICALLY KIND OF ARRANGE TO ACCOMMODATE THE LOT SLOPE AND, AND AGAIN, TO AVOID ANY UNNECESSARY GRADING, UM, OR ENCROACHMENT INTO THOSE EASEMENTS. THE REGULATORY CONTEXT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS SITE, UM, THE GENERAL PLAN LAND USE DESIGNATION IS A VERY LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. UH, THE DENSITY RANGE HERE IS BETWEEN 0.6 AND 2.5 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. UM, THE GENERAL PLAN, UM, IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW IT, IT'LL, IT EFFECTIVELY ALLOWS THAT ONE DWELLING CAN BE BUILT ON AN EXISTING LEGAL PARCEL THAT'S DESIGNATED FOR RESIDENTIAL USE. SO, AS SUCH, THE PARCEL IS ALLOWED TO BE BUILT GIVEN THIS DENSITY AND THAT LANGUAGE IN THE GENERAL PLAN. UH, IT'S LOCATED WITHIN THAT PLAN. URBAN DEVELOPMENT THAT PUD, UM, THE PUD, UH, WAS A 43 LOT SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION. UM, THERE WERE THREE PHASES. UM, THE FIRST TWO PHASES WERE APPROVED IN 1992 AND THE, UM, LAST PHASE WAS APPROVED IN 2000. AND THE STATED STATED OBJECTIVE IN THIS PUD, UM, IS TO PROMOTE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S SENSITIVE TO THE ENVIRONMENT IN NATURAL TOPOGRAPHY. AND THE, THE GUIDELINES THAT ARE AN ATTACHMENT IN YOUR STAFF REPORT RECOGNIZE THAT THE LOTS HAVE, UM, UNIQUE FEATURES AND THEY ESSENTIALLY SET FORTH DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT REINFORCE THE PRESERVATION OF THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT AS A TOP PRIORITY FOR DEVELOPMENT. SO THIS IS THE SITE PLAN. UM, I KNOW THE DETAILS ARE A LITTLE BIT HARD TO SEE FOR THE AUDIENCE, BUT THE, THE PROJECT PROPOSES THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW TWO STORY 3035 SQUARE FOOT SINGLE FAMILY HOME, UH, WHICH IS LOCATED ON LOT ONE OF THE SUBDIVISION. THE RESIDENCE WOULD CONTAIN FOUR BEDROOMS AND ATTACH TWO CAR GARAGE, A PARTIALLY COVERED UPPER DECK AND A COVERED LOWER DECK. UM, THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE IS TWO STORIES, AND IT WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED AT A MAXIMUM OF 24 FEET ABOVE THE NATURAL GRADE AT ITS HIGHEST PEAK. AND IT'S GONNA BE DESIGNED TO BE ALL, ALL ELECTRIC TO MEET THE CITY ORDINANCE THAT REQUIRES SUCH VEHICULAR ACCESS TO THE PROPOSED RESIDENCE WOULD BE PROPOSED VIA A NEW CURB CUT AND DRIVEWAY EXTENDING FROM THE PRIVATE DRIVE DRIVEWAY THAT KIND OF ABUTS FROM KIMBERLY WAY TO THE ATTACHED GARAGE. AND THAT'S GONNA EXTEND A TOTAL LENGTH OF 36 FEET THROUGH THE PROJECT SITE. UM, AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE, THE MAIN FRONTAGE IS REALLY GONNA BE FROM THIS PRIVATE DRIVEWAY. HOWEVER, THERE IS A PEDESTRIAN PATH VIA A GRAVEL DRIVEWAY THAT ALLOWS ACCESS FROM THE COUNTRY CLUB DRIVE FRONTAGE AS WELL. REALLY HARD TO SEE THOSE COLORS AND MATERIALS, BUT, UH, THEY ARE, WE'VE FOUND THAT THEY'RE GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE TRANSITIONAL CONTEMPORARY STYLE OF THE NEW RESIDENCE. AND JUST TO HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE MATERIALS, METAL ROOFING THAT'S PAINTED IN A MATTE BLACK, UH, STUCCO FINISH IN THIS KIND OF NICE DEEP FOSSIL CHESTNUT WOOD PAINTED SIDING AND A BLACK FOR THE STAIR AND DECK RAILING DETAILS. AND THE WINDOW TRIM IS ALSO GONNA BE THAT BLACK LOOKING AT THE ELEVATIONS. UM, SO REALLY A KIND OF HIGH POINT WITH THE ELEVATIONS IS THAT THE STRUCTURE WAS DESIGNED TO STEP WITH THE NATURAL SLOPE OF THE LOT. THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE IS LOCATED, UM, IS, IS REALLY DESIGNED TO BE ONE STORY, AND IT'S ORIENTED AGAIN TOWARDS THAT KIMBERLY WAY FRONTAGE, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH OTHER LOTS ALONG THE PRIVATE DRIVEWAY. AND IF, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UH, WE'LL HAVE A RENDERING LATER IN THE, THE PRESENTATION, BUT THE SECOND FLOOR AREA, IT, IT, IT REALLY APPEARS TO BE SMALLER THAN THE FIRST FLOOR. AND IT, IT, THAT, THAT GOES A LONG WAY WITH REDUCING THE OVERALL MASSING. AND IT, IT CREATES THIS IDEA THAT THERE'S A KIND OF LARGE BASE WITH A SMALLER TOP. UM, AND THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE KIND OF PREVAILING DEVELOPMENT [04:40:01] PATTERN THAT WE SEE IN THIS PUD. JUST ANOTHER LOOK AT THE RIGHT SIDE ELEVATION HERE AND, UM, SOME MORE DETAIL. UH, I'LL NOTE THAT EACH ELEVATION IS ARTICULATED WITH VARYING ROOF HEIGHTS, WINDOW CONFIGURATIONS AND EXTERIOR MATERIALS. THERE'S USE OF STONE VENEER AT THE BASE OF THE STRUCTURE AND IT PROVIDES A BREAK IN THE VERTICAL PLANE. IT INTRODUCES A HORIZON HORIZONTAL DESIGN ELEMENT AND CREATES THAT VISUAL INTEREST. AND, UM, THERE'S ALSO A VARYING OF THE COLOR AND FINISH OF THE STUCCO SIDING, WHICH AGAIN, KIND OF CREATES VISUAL INTEREST AND BREAKS UP THAT PATTERN NICELY. LOOKING AT ONE LAST ELEVATION VIEW. UM, NOTE THAT APPROXIMATELY A QUARTER OF THE SECOND FLOOR AREA IS RESERVED FOR THE PARTIALLY COVERED DECK THAT RE REDUCES THE MASSING OF THE STRUCTURE. IT PROVIDES THIS KIND OF OPEN AREA THAT APPEARS TO BE A SINGLE LEVEL FROM THE STREET, AND IT, IT PROVIDES VARIATION IN THE VERTICAL PLANE AT THE NORTH ELEVATION. UM, SO HAPPY TO KIND OF DEBRIEF THAT A LITTLE BIT. BUT AGAIN, THIS, THIS KIND OF CONCEPT OF CREATING VISUAL INTEREST AND REDUCING THE MASSING TO FIT THE NATURAL CURVATURE AND TOPOGRAPHY OF THE SITE AND THIS VARIATION AND, AND KIND OF THOSE DESIGN ELEMENTS THAT I NOTED ARE FEATURED ACROSS ALL OF THE ELEVATIONS. JUST A LOOK AT THE FLOOR PLAN. UM, SO THE GROUND FLOOR AREA, THE FIRST FLOOR, APPROXIMATELY 1,292 SQUARE FEET, THE UPPER FLOOR IS CONSIDERABLY LARGER WITH THE 2,650, UH, 2,656 SQUARE FEET. AND THAT INCLUDES LIVING SPACE, A TWO CAR GARAGE, AND THE COVERED LOWER DECK. AND, UM, THIS WAS REVIEWED FOR BY OUR BUILDING DIVISION TO MEET ALL VISIBILITY REQUIREMENTS AND, UM, IT'S LOGICALLY DESIGNED TO ALLOW RESIDENTS AND VISITORS, INCLUDING THOSE WITH MOBILITY RESTRICTIONS TO KIND OF FREELY FLOW THROUGH THIS SPACE AS PROPOSED. THE PROJECT FEATURES MINIMAL LANDSCAPE OF LANDSCAPE LANDSCAPING OF THE SITE. UM, ALL EXISTING TREES AND VEGETATION IS GOING TO BE PRESERVED. THERE IS A REQUIREMENT IN THE PUD, UM, FOR TREE PLANTING. SO THERE ARE, UH, THERE'S ONE COAST LIVE OAK THAT'S GONNA BE PLANTED ALONG THE COUNTRY CLUB, UM, KIND OF FRONTAGE EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT CONSIDERED THE FRONT HERE. TWO JAPANESE MAPLES AND A NUMBER OF DROUGHT TOLERANT SHRUBS, GROUND CS PERENNIALS, AND LOW WATER. UM, USING CALIFORNIA NATIVE PLANTS. UM, ALL LIGHTING WILL BE HOODED AND DOWNWARD CAST IN ACCORDING, IN ACCORDANCE WITH CITY STANDARDS. AND AS PROPOSED, THE PROJECT DOES NOT INCLUDE NEW FENCING. THESE ARE JUST THE STANDARDS OF REVIEW. UM, THIS IS ALL IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. UM, SO WE, WE LOOKED AT THE CHAPTER 16, WHICH IS THE HILLSIDE PROTECTION, AND THAT APPLIES TO ALL NEW DEVELOPMENT IN THE SOUTH HILLS CHAPTER 17, TREE PRESERVATION. UM, AND THEN THE SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW STANDARDS AS WELL AS THE, UH, VISITABILITY STANDARDS CONTAINED IN PMC, UH, CHAPTER 17.14. AND, UM, THE DETAILS OF THE STAFF ANALYSIS ARE AGAIN, IN THE, UH, REPORT BEFORE YOU, UM, BUT WE REVIEWED IT WITH CONSISTENCY OF THE HILLSIDE PRESERVATION CHAPTER. UM, AND, UH, THE UPSHOT IS THAT THE RESIDENCE WAS DESIGNED TO AVOID STEEPLY CUT SLOPES. IT'S BEEN DESIGNED TO MINIMIZE GRADING. IT UTILIZES THE HILLSIDE DESIGN GUIDELINES, WHICH REDUCE MASSING, AND IT'S ALSO BEEN CITED TO AVOID ANY REMOVAL OF ONSITE VEGETATION. AND AS SUCH, UH, WE FOUND THE PROJECT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THOSE REQUIRED FINDINGS. UM, AGAIN, THIS IS A RENDERING THAT WAS PROVIDED BY THE PROJECT'S APPLICANT. AND, UM, SO WE REVIEWED FOR CONSISTENCY WITH THE REQUIRED SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW FINDINGS. UM, AND, UH, TO SUMMARIZE, THE PROJECT DEMONSTRATES HARMON HARMONY AND PROPORTION IN ITS OVERALL DESIGN. THAT'S DONE THROUGH THE USE OF NATURAL COLORS AND MATERIALS, WHICH BLEND INTO THE HILLSIDE. IT INCORPORATES HILLSIDE DESIGN ELEMENTS, WHICH REDUCES THE OVERALL MASSING [04:45:01] OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. AND, UH, THE DESIGN IS CONTEMPORARY AND IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH CURRENT, UM, DEVELOPMENT IN THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD. THE SIGHTING OF THE STRUCTURE PRESERVES THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT AND IT ALSO ENSURES ADEQUATE PRIVACY OF THE ADJOINING PROPERTIES. UH, ALL PROPOSED LANDSCAPING, IT'S CONSISTENT WITH STANDARD, UH, BY THAT ARE IN CITY STANDARDS AND ALSO IN THE PUD GUIDELINES. AND, UM, AND THE DRIVEWAY ACCESS IS CONSISTENT WITH, UM, ALL APPLICABLE CODES AND STATUTES. SO, AS SUCH, THE PROJECT MEETS ALL OF THESE REQUIRED FINDINGS CONTAINED IN IZO UH, 24 0 1 OH. QUICK SUMMARY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD OUTREACH. UH, WE HAD A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING ON FEBRUARY 13TH, 2023. WE HAD FOUR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC IN ATTENDANCE. UH, EVERYONE VOICED SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT AND WE, WE ANSWERED SOME CLARIFYING QUESTIONS. UH, JEFF WAS THERE ALONG WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, WHO COULDN'T MAKE IT TONIGHT, UM, BUT ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE PROJECT. UM, AND, UM, WE REQUIRED, WE HAD A, WE DULY NOTICED THE PROJECT IN ACCORDANCE WITH IZO, UM, CHAPTER 24 0 1 OH. UH, AND WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS AS OF THE, UH, RATHER LATE HOUR OF THIS PRESENTATION. UM, FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW, UH, THE PROJECT IS CATEGORY CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT FROM THE PROVISIONS OF CQA UNDER SECTION 15 3 0 3. UM, THAT APPLIES TO CONSTRUCTION OF, UM, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES. UM, ADDITIONALLY THERE WAS A MEDI MITIGATED NEGATIVE DECLARATION FOR THIS PUD, UH, THAT WAS ADOPTED IN NOVEMBER 20, NOVEMBER, 1992. AND, UM, SO THAT WAS ANALYZED, UM, UNDER THAT ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW DOCUMENT. UM, GOING BACK TO THE CLASS THREE CATEGORICAL EXEMPTION. SO NONE OF THE EX EXCEPTIONS TO THIS EXEMPTION WOULD APPLY AND THEREFORE NO FURTHER ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW WOULD BE NEEDED. UM, AND WE'RE GONNA, WE HAVE OUR NOTICE OF EXEMPTION THAT WILL, AS, UH, IF THE PROJECT IS APPROVED TONIGHT, THAT WILL GO TO THE, UH, COUNTY CLERK AND STATE CLEARINGHOUSE, UH, TOMORROW FOR PUBLIC REVIEW FOR THE NEXT 35 DAYS AS REQUIRED, AS REQUIRED BY LAW. AND, UH, JUST A SUMMARY OF THE RECOMMENDATION. UM, SO BASED ON THE ANALYSIS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT PRESENTED HERE TONIGHT, IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ADOPT THE DRAFT RESOLUTION APPROVING CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND HAPPY PASSOVER IF YOU CELEBRATE, I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AS ARE MY COLLEAGUES WITH THE CITY. THANKS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DANIEL, DID THE ARCHITECT WANNA PRESENT AS WELL? HELLO, JEFF. GOOD EVENING. I'VE GOT A 45 MINUTE PRESENTATION TO GO THROUGH . WELL, WE'RE SOLD. THIS HAS GOTTA BE RECORD. SO, UH, THANK YOU ALL FOR STICKING AROUND. GOOD EVENING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND THANK YOU DANIEL FOR THAT PRESENTATION. I ONLY WANT TO ADD THAT WE ALSO DID A REVIEW WITH THE, UM, DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE THAT'S PART OF THE COUNTRY CLUB OF ESTATE. SO THAT WAS A, UH, LEVEL OF SCRUTINY THAT ACTUALLY EXCEEDED WHAT THE CITY REQUIRED AS FAR AS, UH, GUIDELINES ON HEIGHT AND, UH, COVERAGE AND OTHER RESTRICTIONS. SO WE DID GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS WITH THE COUNTRY CLUB OF ESTATES. AND THEN AS FAR AS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR INFORMATION, I'LL DEFER OUT OF RESPECT FOR TIME TO SPECIFIC QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE. DARREN, GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. KICK KICK US OFF. UM, REALLY, I, I JUST HAD A QUESTION. YOU KNOW, WE JUST SAW A SITE ON HAYES LANE THAT HAD A PRETTY SEVERE SLOPE, AND I MADE A POINT THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED A GEOLOGICAL PERSON ON SITE DURING CONSTRUCTION. UM, NOW THIS ONE I SEE HERE THAT IT WAS, UH, JULY 16TH, 2018, MILLER PACIFIC ENGINEERING GROUP DID A REPORT. IS THERE ANYTHING DIFFERENT ABOUT THIS SITE, JUST LESS SLOPE OR WHY WASN'T THAT ASPECT MENTIONED IN THIS REPORT FOR THIS PROJECT? SO THERE WAS A GEOTECHNICAL REPORT, THE MILLER PACIFIC. I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND THE, SORRY, I MEANT, MEANT TO DIRECT THAT TOWARDS STAFF BECAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WAS A LITTLE MORE ROBUST COVERAGE OF THAT IN A PREVIOUS PROJECT WITH SOME OF THE SIMILAR SITE ATTRIBUTES. AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE. DO WE FEEL LIKE OUR, I MEAN, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE BROUGHT IT FORWARD IF YOU DIDN'T, BUT DO WE FEEL LIKE OUR BASES ARE COVERED? IS THERE DISCUSSION TO BE HAD AROUND THAT? UM, OR IS THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A [04:50:01] REPORT FROM, UH, 2018 THAT INDICATES NO ISSUES ENOUGH TO NOT CONSIDER IT FURTHER? IS THAT THE GENERAL WELL, I'M TRYING TO RECALL THE, UH, FIVE 60 HAYES PROJECT BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THERE WAS MAYBE SOME DIFFERENT SOIL SITUATIONS THERE, THERE WAS A BIT OF SLOPE INSTABILITY THAT NEEDED TO BE MONITORED THAT WE'RE NOT SEEING ON THIS SITE. SO, OKAY. UM, TYPICALLY AS, AS, UH, AS JEFF KNOWS WHEN, WHEN WE RECEIVE THOSE GEOTECH REPORTS, WE'LL RECEIVE THEM AS PART OF THE PLANNING SUBMITTAL. THEY'LL GET REVIEWED AT THAT TIME BY BUILDING, UM, DIVISION WHO'S BASICALLY CHECKING TO SEE THAT YEAH, YOU, YOU DO HAVE THE REPORT AND THAT IT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT. AND THEN IT'S GOING TO GET SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATION WHERE IT WILL BE REVIEWED IN DETAIL. UH, AND THAT'S WHERE THEY'LL REALLY DO THE CLOSE SCRUTINY TO ENSURE THAT BOTH THE PROJECT DESIGN AND THAT THE SOILS ARE ADEQUATE AND, AND, UH, APPROPRIATELY STABILIZED. OKAY. THANKS FOR THAT. AND SORRY TO MAKE US EXPLAIN KIND OF A PRO FORMA PROCESS THERE. UM, FOR THE DESIGN ITSELF, UM, I REALLY LIKE THE FRONT, THERE'S A LOT OF MATERIALS BREAKING UP, TEXTURING, AND OBVIOUSLY ALONG THE SIDES IT LOOKS A LITTLE MORE LIKE AN EXPANSE, BUT I KNOW THERE'S A DIFFERENT COLOR OF THAT STUCCO THAT DOESN'T SHOW UP ON KIND THE BLACK AND WHITE SITE PLAN. UM, HAVE YOU EXPLORED ANY OTHER WINDOW TREATMENTS? ANY OTHER KIND OF AREAS THAT KIND OF BREAK UP SOME OF THAT? ESPECIALLY, I'M GONNA, I'M NOT LOOKING AT THE, I'M TRYING TO FIND THE MAP. IF MAYBE IF IT'S THE EASTERN FACING SIDE, I THINK THAT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE RAILINGS OR ANYTHING. MM-HMM. JUST TALK THROUGH THAT OF KIND OF BREAKING UP THOSE SIDE SURE. VIEWS OF THE PROPERTY. IT, IT'S SLIGHTLY MISLEADING ON OUR PLAN SET 'CAUSE YOU SEE IT FROM THE SIDES, BUT THE REALITY IS WHERE THE HOUSES ARE POSITIONED NEXT TO IT, IT'S NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO SEE THOSE ELEVATIONS. SO WE PRIMARILY FOCUSED ON THE FRONT AND GIVING A GOOD STREET PRESENCE, WHICH IS HARD TO DO WHEN YOUR GARAGE IS TWO THIRDS OF WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE PULLING UP TO THIS HOUSE. AND THEN ON THE DOWNHILL SIDE FOR THE COUNTRY CLUB, LOOKING BACK UP THERE WITH THE ARTICULATION AND THE DECK. UH, SO GIVING THAT SOME INTEREST, THE SIDES, UH, BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY OF THE OTHER HOUSES AND THE STEEP SLOPE THAT ARE THERE, IT'S NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO TO, TO BE SEEN. OKAY. THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS. GREAT. UM, WHO, WHO ELSE HAS GOT QUESTIONS FOR THIS ONE? I'M NOT GONNA GO IN ANY PARTICULAR ORDER, JUST, I HONESTLY DON'T EITHER. I, I THINK WE'RE READY FOR JUST TO MOVE TO A VOTE ON THIS ONE. MAYBE JUST PASS OUT PUBLIC COMMENTS. HAVE, DO . YEAH. MAYBE, MAYBE JUST ASK ABOUT A PUBLIC PROCESS, WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS, YOU KNOW, JUST SKIP PAST THAT. DO DO WE HAVE ANYBODY, ANYBODY HERE WHO WANTS TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM? . EXCELLENT. DO WE GET ANY WRITTEN PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM? WE RECEIVED NO PUBLIC COMMENTS PRIOR TO THIS MEETING. THEY'RE A BARN BURNER OF AN ITEM. OKAY. UH, WITH THAT, UH, I, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. APPROVE THE SPAR. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER BAUER? YES. COMMISSIONER MOSES? YES. COMMISSIONER MCCAIN? YES. COMMISSIONER KUSON? YES. COMMISSIONER WIMAN? YES. COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON? YES. CHAIR HOOPER? YES. THE VOTE IS APPROVED. THERE WE GO. HAVE A GREAT NIGHT. FIVE MINUTES. . YOU, YOU SIR. PROBABLY HIT THE RECORD FOR HOW QUICKLY WE'VE EVER GONE THROUGH ONE OF THESE, UM, RIGHT AFTER WE HIT A DIFFERENT RECORD. UM, SO WE HAVE, THE LAST TIME WE HAVE TONIGHT IS THE ADMINISTRATIVE ACTION. ANDREW, I THINK WE VOTED, WE HAD WITH THE, UH, PRIOR VOTE, WE VOTED TO GO PAST 11. ANDREW POINTED OUT THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT IS WHETHER OR NOT TO INTRODUCE THE ITEM. IT'S NOT TO ACTUALLY VOTE ON THE ITEM. SO WE CAN, WE CAN GO AS BRIEF ON THIS AS WE WANT TO. 'CAUSE WE WOULDN'T BE TAKING ANY ACTUAL ACTION OTHER THAN CAN WE TAKE ACTION IF WE DO WANT TO? NO. OH, NO, NO. THE UH, THE RULES ARE, UM, THAT YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO INTRODUCE IT AT THE FIRST MEETING AND THEN VOTE AT THE SECOND MEETING. YEAH. 'CAUSE PART OF OUR ISSUE ON THIS LAST TIME WAS THAT WE WANTED EVERYONE HERE. MM-HMM. . AND WE'RE YES. THAT WE, OKAY. YES, WE'RE ALL HERE, BUT WE, WE CAN'T DO IT ALL IN ONE NIGHT. NO. OKAY. WHETHER TO SUPPORT IT OR NOT, WE CAN'T TAKE THAT VOTE TONIGHT. ALL WE CAN DO IS HAVE THE VOTE TO INTRODUCE IT. UM, WITH THAT IN MIND, [04:55:03] DO YOU A MOTION TO INTRODUCE IT? UM, WELL, SO HERE, HERE'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK FOLKS. WE CAN GO THROUGH THE FULL PRESENTATION ON IT AS PLANNED AND AT THE END IT'S JUST A VOTE TO INTRODUCE, OR BECAUSE IT'S 1110, UH, WE CAN DO THE VOTE TO INTRODUCE AND THEN HAVE THE DISCUSSION AT THE NEXT MEETING AND THEN ULTIMATELY YAY AND NAY OR OTHERWISE. YEAH. BECAUSE WE'LL BE HEARING THE SAME PRESENTATION TWICE NO MATTER WHAT. 'CAUSE THERE'S NO WAY WE'LL REMEMBER BY THEN I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO JUST WAIT TILL, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS AGAIN. YES. I, I COULD HEAR DYLAN THAT TIME. HE WAS LIKE, NO, NOT AGAIN. UM, SO WITH THIS IN MIND, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS SIDE? THANK YOU ALL. DID WE GET ANY WRITTEN PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM? WE RECEIVED THREE PUBLIC COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING, ALL OF WHICH HAVE BEEN POSTED ONLINE, UH, FOR VIEWING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO INTRODUCE? WELL, UM, CHAIR, IS IT POSSIBLE JUST TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT IT SINCE I WASN'T HERE IN THE BEGINNING? ABSOLUTELY. UM, SO I, I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS FOR, UM, WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT TWO CONSECUTIVE, ONE A CONSECUTIVE TERM OF TWO YEARS FOR CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. RIGHT. BUT, UM, IS IT SUCH THAT, UM, AFTER ONE YEAR THEN THAT THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR CAN SERVE ANOTHER YEAR WITH APPROVAL? OR IS IT JUST FOR ONE TWO YEAR TERM? UH, IT WOULD BE THE, THE FORMER. SO, SO YOU WOULD CONTINUE TO ELECT YOUR, YOUR CHAIR, VICE CHAIR AND SECOND VICE CHAIR EACH YEAR? THE ONLY CHANGE WOULD BE, OR THE CHANGE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS THAT THE CHAIR COULD BE ELECTED TO TWO CONSECUTIVE TERMS. GOT IT. OKAY. GREAT. THANKS. OKAY. THAT'S IT. YEAH, GO AHEAD. AND IS THAT SCOPE SPECIFICALLY FOR THE GENERAL PLAN OR IS THAT UNIVERSAL? SO RIGHT NOW IT'S, UH, THE WAY THAT THE, THE, UM, RULE CHANGE IS PROPOSED. UH, WE WOULD PUT IN, EFFECTIVELY WRITE IN A SUNSET CLAUSE SUCH THAT AFTER THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDS TO THE COUNCIL ON THE ZONING CODE AMENDMENTS THAT WOULD IMPLEMENT THE GENERAL PLAN, THEN THE RULE WOULD AUTOMATICALLY RULE BACK TO, UM, THE CHAIR BEING ONLY ALLOWED TO SERVE ONE TERM. IT WILL BE AN EXPLANATION OF WHY THAT'LL BE WITH THE PRESENTATIONS FOR THE NEXT TIME. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING? SO THE, THE IDEA WAS, AND THIS IS ONLY IF EVERYBODY WAS COMFORTABLE DOING THIS, WE CAN'T VOTE TO TAKE ACTION ON THIS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, OTHER THAN INTRODUCE THE ITEM TONIGHT. AND THEN AT THE NEXT MEETING WE CAN ACTUALLY VOTE YAY OR NAY ON IT. BUT WE CAN, CAN WE DISCUSS IT TONIGHT? WE CAN DISCUSS IT FULLY TONIGHT IF YOU WANT. THAT'S FINE. I WAS JUST WONDERING IF FOLKS WANTED TO JUST INTRODUCE FOR A LONGER DISCUSSION THE NEXT MEETING. BUT IF YOU WANNA DISCUSS IT NOW, THAT'S FINE. NO, THAT'S OKAY. DISCUSSION. OH, ABSOLUTELY. NO, NO, NO. THIS IS ONLY TO, WHAT I DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN IS WE HAVE THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT AND THEN WE HAVE A SECOND MEETING AND WE'RE ALL FOGGY. THAT'S ALL. I AGREE. YEAH. AND, AND ALSO IN, IN THIS CASE, WELL I PROBABLY , I FEEL LIKE I'LL LET YOU IN ON A SECRET, BUT IN THIS CASE, THE PRESENTATION IS READY. SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND, AND PUBLISH THE PRESENTATION TO THE MEETING ITEM SO YOU'D BE ABLE TO SEE THE PRESENTATION IN ADVANCE. GREAT. ANYWAY, TYPICALLY OUR PRESENTATIONS AREN'T READY UNTIL RIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING. OH. SO WE'LL HAVE, EVERYONE WILL HAVE FULL ACCESS TO THE WHOLE THING FOR QUITE A WHILE. OH, THAT'S EVEN BETTER. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. DO, DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO INTRODUCE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO INTRODUCE, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. COMMISSIONER BAUER? YES. COMMISSIONER MOSES? YES. COMMISSIONER MCCURLEY? NO. COMMISSIONER SSON? NO. COMMISSIONER WIMAN YES. COM UH, COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON? YES. CHAIR HOOPER? YES. THE MOTION IS APPROVED. GREAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO C FOR CLARIFICATION, SO THIS IS ONCE THE GENERAL PLAN IS COMPLETED, THEN WE GO BACK TO OUR, THE OLD RULES. THIS IS SUNSETTED. IT WOULD, IT WOULD SUNSET AFTER THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAKES A RECOMMENDATION ON THE ZONING CODE UPDATE THAT WOULD IMPLEMENT THE GENERAL PLAN. SO, UH, THERE, THE SUNSET CLAUSE AT PRESENT WOULD TAKE US ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE ZONING CODE UPDATE. UM, WHAT'S THAT TIMEFRAME? WELL, WE'RE, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE'RE LOOKING AT IT AT THE, UH, THE DRAFT TO BE PRESENTED WITHIN SIX MONTHS AFTER THE ADOPTION OF [05:00:01] THE GENERAL PLAN. THAT'S NOT TILL 2025. WELL, THE GENERAL PLAN WOULD BE THE END OF 2025. SO WE WOULD LOOK FOR THE ZONING CODE UPDATE TO BE, UM, PRESENTED MID 2026. HMM. BUT WE COULD ALWAYS, UH, IF, IF, IF YOU, IF YOU WANT THE SUNSET TO BE AT THE END OF THE GENERAL PLAN, THEN YOU JUST, UH, WHEN THE MOTION IS MADE TO, TO APPROVE THE, UH, THE RULE CHANGE, THEN YOU COULD JUST MAKE AN, A MOTION, A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION TO AMEND IT TO, UM, AUTOMATICALLY SUNSET AFTER RECOMMENDATION OF THE GENERAL PLAN IS MADE. WELL, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A FRIENDLY MOTION TO, TO DISCUSS ONCE WE ACTUALLY GET TO IT IN THE NEXT MEETING. SO THE NEXT MEETING, YEAH. RIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. BUT WITH THAT IN KNOWLEDGE, I CAN, I CAN WRITE IT IN AS AN ALTERNATIVE AS WELL TO DISCUSS. OKAY. AND FOR THIS, DO WE KNOW IT'S GONNA BE PRESENTED AT NEXT MEETING? OR COULD THE TIMEFRAME BE LIKE WHEN WE VOTE ON CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR SO WE'RE NOT PREEMPTING ANY SELECTIONS IN THE INTERIM OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? WELL, I, I, THE MAY 14 AGENDA COULD BE QUITE LENGTHY. UM, SO, SO IT MAY BE THAT IT GETS CONTINUED AT THE, WE WOULD AGENDIZE IT FOR DECISION ON MAY 14TH. UM, IT COULD BE THAT YOU CHOOSE TO CONTINUE IT TO THE MAY 21ST AGENDA, WHICH IS NOT QUITE AS LENGTHY, BUT YOU WOULD HAVE, WE HAVE QUORUM FOR ALL OF OUR MEETINGS IN JULY. UM, BUT WE WOULDN'T VOTE ON THE ELECTED POSITIONS UNTIL THE FIRST MEETING IN JULY. SO THERE'S STILL AMPLE TIME TO, TO UH, REVIEW IT AS LONG AS, AS LONG AS IF WE DON'T, UH, GET TO A VOTE ON A DECISION ON IT, WE JUST CONTINUE IT TO THE NEXT MEETING. WOULD THERE BE ANY MERIT TO WAITING TO THAT MEETING IN JULY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A SCENARIO THAT MANDATES IT? OR IS THERE VIRTUE IN BRINGING IT FORWARD EARLIER? WHAT IS YOUR THOUGHT ON THAT TIMEFRAME, ANDREW? I'M ASSUMING YOU THINK SO BECAUSE YOU'VE INTRODUCED IT, SO MAYBE THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION, BUT WELL, THE, THE PRIMARY, THE, THE TIMING OF THE INTRODUCTION WAS JUST TO COINCIDE WITH BRINGING FORWARD THE DRAFT POLICY FRAMEWORK. SO WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT GENERAL PLAN REVIEW AND SORT OF THINKING ABOUT ALL OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE NEEDS AND, AND, UH, THIS FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE AS, AS A, AN ADMINISTRATIVE OPPORTUNITY FOR CONSIDERATION. SO, I MEAN, WE COULD, UM, I, I THINK THAT IF, IF WE, I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT WOULD SEEM LIKE WE WOULD WANT TO CONCLUDE IT PRIOR TO THE MEETING AT WHICH WE ELECT, AND I THINK IT REFLECTS THE WILL OF THIS COMMITTEE, JUST FROM WHAT I'M SEEING, AND MAYBE WE CAN DISCUSS THAT WHEN IT'S AGENDIZED AT THE NEXT MEETING. THAT'S APPROPRIATE. WELL, I JUST, I JUST HAD A COMMENT THAT, UM, UH, THERE IS SOME, UM, THOUGHT THAT WE SHOULD WAIT UNTIL SOMEBODY, YOU HAVE THE REPLACEMENT FOR ME BECAUSE I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY SKIN IN THE GAME. MM-HMM. , YOU KNOW, AND THAT PERSON DOES. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS SOMETHING TO BE CONSIDERED. ALSO, WHAT'S THE TIMELINE ON OUR, ON OUR, UH, VACANCIES? WELL, IT'S, OH, SO THIS IS INTERESTING. UM, OH, BUDDY. INTERESTING. OH, WAIT, I'M UP IN JUNE. SO, SO THE JULY NINE MEETING WOULD BE, UM, WOULD BE THE FIRST MEETING AFTER APPOINTMENT OF THE NEW COMMISSIONERS OR, OR, UH, REAPPOINTMENTS RATHER, WHICH, WHICHEVER THE CASE MAY BE. UM, BUT HOW MANY ARE WE, HOW MANY VACANCIES ARE WE GONNA BE? TWO, TWO, THERE WOULD BE TWO VACANCIES. UM, BUT I WILL, I WILL TELL YOU THAT RIGHT NOW, THE JULY NINE MEETING IS, UH, THE, UM, DRAFT DIR IS SCHEDULED TO BE REVIEWED FOR THE DOWNTOWN OVERLAY. SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE A VERY LARGE MEETING TO DO BOTH APPOINTMENTS AND TO, ON THE 9TH OF JULY I'LL BE ON VACATION. I, I, I WILL JUST COMMENT THAT I DO THINK THERE IS VALUE IN MAKING THIS ADMINISTRATIVE DECISION ABOUT ELECTING OUR CHAIR BEFORE WE ARE IN THE THROES OF ELECTING A CHAIR. [05:05:02] LIKE I THINK THAT SEPARATION IS VALUABLE TO CLARIFY THAT THIS IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE DECISION TO SUPPORT THE, AS WE WILL DISCUSS, UH, RATIONALE OF, OF CONTINUITY IN A GENERAL PLAN CYCLE. UM, AND WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE DO THAT, NOT WHEN WE'RE ALSO THEN LIKE TWO AGENDA ITEMS LATER ARE GONNA BE ELECTING CHAIR WHO WE'VE NOW SAID CAN STAY FOR TWO TERMS. THAT, THAT JUST FEELS A LITTLE STICKY TO ME. SO ALL THAT TO SAY, MAKING THIS DECISION ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE PIECE IN MAY OR JUNE INSTEAD OF INTO JULY. YEAH. WELL, AND I THINK CERTAINLY WE CAN AGENDIZE IT SOONER AND HAVE THIS DISCUSSION THEN IF WE WANT TO EXTEND IT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IT, IT DOES LOOK LIKE AT THIS POINT IN TIME, UM, ON MAY 28TH, WHICH IS A REGULAR MEETING, UH, WE DO HAVE A, A FULL QUORUM AND, UH, IT, AND WE WOULD JUST BE, WE WOULD REVIEW A COUPLE OF THE GENERAL PLAN DRAFT POLICY FRAMEWORKS. SO THAT'S A BIT LIGHTER OF A MEETING. UM, SO WE MAY WANNA CONSIDER THAT'D BE PERFECT. WE'LL JUST, UH, INTENTIONALLY AGENDIZE IT FROM MAY 28TH THEN, BECAUSE WE SHOULD ALSO REMEMBER, REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE DO, THIS DOESN'T LOCK. AND EVEN IF WE WERE TO GO THROUGH WITH THIS DOESN'T, DOES NOT LOCK THE COMMISSION IN DECIDING TO KEEP SOMEBODY GOING TWICE. IT JUST OFFERS THE ABILITY. CORRECT. RIGHT. IT'S JUST NOT TERMING OUT THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. YEAH. RIGHT. GREAT. SO THEN, SO THEN, UH, WILL JUST, UM, OFFICIALLY AGENDIZE IT FOR MAY 28 FOR A DECISION. WORKS WELL. THANK YOU. WELL, WITH THAT, [COMMITTEE COMMENT] I BELIEVE WE HAVE COMMITTEE COMMENT. , UH, COUN COUNCIL MEMBER. I WAS IN SACRAMENTO LAST WEEK FOR THREE DAYS WITH THE LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES. UM, A LOT OF GOOD FORUMS, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSING ABOUT, UM, HOMELESS, UM, UM, IS IT, WHAT'S THIS, THE AI, YOU KNOW, AND WHAT CITIES ARE DOING ABOUT THAT, YOU KNOW, HOW THEY'RE WORKING WITH IT, UM, WHICH, UM, CAN BE SOMEWHAT PROBLEMATIC. SO IT'S GOOD TO HAVE A PLAN AHEAD OF TIME. WHAT OTHER KINDS OF THINGS? I DON'T KNOW, IT'S KIND OF LATE . I THINK I'M DONE. . LOTS OF MEETINGS. THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY. RICK, NOTHING. UH, DARREN, FINAL PLUG FOR TREE FEST. 27TH, 11 TO THREE PUT ON BY THE CITY OF PETALUMA PARTNERSHIP WITH RELEAF. IT'S GONNA BE A LOT OF FUN. I WILL SECOND A LOT OF MEETINGS. ROGER. THE TREE ADVISORY MEETING WAS VERY BRIEF AND VERY LITTLE CONTACT, SO FAIR ENOUGH. JESSICA, UM, HAVE PASSOVER TO THOSE WHO CELEBRATE AND TAKE A LOOK AT. I THINK THE MOST CONDENSED VERSION OF IT'S GONNA BE THE KNOW BEFORE YOU GROW CALENDAR, THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF, PARTICULARLY ON MAY 1ST. THERE'S UH, MM-HMM, , I DON'T KNOW. THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION PRESENTATION. MARK YOUR CALENDAR. . MM-HMM. . [STAFF COMMENT] AND NOW FOR STAFF COMMENT. GREAT. THANK YOU. UM, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE THIS EVENING. I KNOW THAT THAT, UH, THE TWO RAVINA PROJECT IS A CHALLENGING ITEM. UM, SO I DID WANT TO NOTE, UH, ON MAY 1ST, THERE'S, UH, THE, UM, UNTAPPED POTENTIAL STRATEGIES FOR PRESERVATION, REVITALIZATION AND REUSE OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES. THAT'S PART OF THE, UH, PRESERVATION MONTH CELEBRATION. ALSO ON, UM, MAY 15TH, UH, IS PLACEMAKING PRESERVATION AND TOURISM. SO I THOUGHT THOSE MIGHT BE TWO OF THE ACTIVITIES THAT WOULD BE A PARTICULAR INTEREST. UM, ALSO ON MAY 1ST WE HAVE THE, UM, SCOPING MEETING FOR THE DOWNTOWN OVERLAY, EKN UM, APPALACHIAN HOTEL PROJECT. SO THAT'S COMING UP. AND THEN I'LL, I'LL SEND AROUND, UH, INFORMATION ABOUT THIS. BUT ON MAY 16TH, THERE'S, UM, SPUR, WHICH IS A POLICY GROUP IN, BASED IN THE BAY AREA, IS, UM, OFFERING VIEWS OF VIEW FROM SACRAMENTO STATE HOUSING LEGISLATION ROUNDUP AND BUDGET UPDATE. SO I, I THOUGHT THAT MIGHT BE OF INTEREST TO YOU AS WELL, ESPECIALLY REFLECTING ON SOME OF THE PROJECTS WE'VE REVIEWED. AND THEN GOING INTO THE, UH, GENERAL PLAN, UPDATE, REVIEW OF THE DRAFT FRAMEWORK. SO, UM, SOME, UH, SOME OPPORTUNITIES THERE FOR THAT. THE, UH, WE ARE ON TRACK TO, TO HOLD ALL THREE MEETINGS IN MAY. SO THANK YOU [05:10:01] FOR YOUR, UH, RESPONSES TO THE QUORUM CHECKS FOR THOSE MEETINGS. AND, UM, THEN FINALLY, I HAD ONE LAST THING AND NOW IT'S ESCAPED ME AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT . SO, OH, I KNOW WHAT IT WAS FOR THE, FOR THE AD HOC COMMITTEE CHAIRS, IF YOU COULD JUST GIMME A BRIEF REPORT OF, OF, UM, ACTIVITY AND, AND WHERE YOU STAND AND ANY SUPPORT THAT YOU MIGHT NEED SO THAT I CAN SHARE THAT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE TEAM AND, AND, UH, GET YOU HELP IF YOU NEED IT. WE'D GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT. AND SO THAT'S MY REPORT CHAIR. THANK YOU. EXCELLENT. WHAT ? NO, NO, NO. WE'RE ADJOURNING THE MEETING. WE'RE ADJOURNING THE MEETING. UM, THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND A CALL TONIGHT. THANK. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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