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          GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. 
          [CALL TO ORDER - 5:00 P.M.]
RECORDING IN PROGRESS. 
          WELCOME TO THIS SPECIAL MEETING OF THE PETALUMA CITY COUNCIL IN PETALUMA, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SUCCESSOR AGENCY, MONDAY, APRIL 29TH, 2024. 
          UM, IF YOU WISH TO, UH, PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, UH, I'LL DETAIL EXACTLY HOW THAT IS GONNA HAPPEN. 
          AS WE GET FURTHER INTO THE MEETING, THERE'LL BE SEVERAL OPPORTUNITIES. 
          UM, BUT WE HAVE SPEAKER CARDS IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM, AND THAT'S THE PROCESS, AND YOU BRING THEM TO OUR CITY CLERK. 
          BUT, UH, BEFORE WE START, I'D LIKE TO INVITE MONICA APIO AND KATHY, UH, METO TO PROVIDE INFORMATION TO THOSE WHO WISH TO PARTICIPATE IN SPANISH. 
          MR. MAY, WE WERE TRYING TO GET, UH, IN TOUCH WITH THE INTERPRETER TO SEE IF THEY CAN HEAR US. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          WE'LL TAKE A BIT OF A PAUSE WHILE WE GET THE SYSTEM WORKING. 
          I AM ONE OF THE INTERPRETERS. 
          I CAN HEAR YOU NOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GREAT. 
          WE CAN HEAR YOU. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          UM, HI. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          ARE WE READY FOR THE INTERPRETER ADVISEMENT? YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE ARE READY. 
          AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, MAY WE HAVE A ROLL CALL FOR THE EVENING? APOLOGIES. 
          BARNACLE PRESENT. 
          CATER THOMPSON. 
          HERE. 
          HEALY HERE. 
          NOW. 
          HERE. 
          . 
          HERE. 
          SHRIVES. 
          HERE. 
          MCDONALD HERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, UM, WITH EVERYONE PRESENT, WE MAY WE RISE AND HAVE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE IN A MOMENT OF SILENCE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          TONIGHT 
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IS A SPECIAL WORKSHOP, AND, UM, AS SUCH, SUCH, THERE'S SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT RULES ON OUR GENERAL, UH, COUNCIL MEETINGS WE HAVE. 
          AND IN THAT THERE IS NO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT TONIGHT, UH, WE'RE FOCUSING RIGHT ON THE WORKSHOP, AND SO WE'LL HAVE OPPORTUNITIES AT VARIOUS POINTS IN THE WORKSHOP FOR COUNCIL TO ASK QUESTIONS AND FOR THE PUBLIC TO WEIGH IN AT THE SAME TIME. 
          UM, SO YOU MAY HEAR ME CALL FOR YOUR CARDS TO COME TO COUNCIL, BUT THERE IS NO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT HERE AT THE BEGINNING. 
          AND ANOTHER ANNOUNCEMENT I'D LIKE TO MAKE IS THAT IT DOES TAKE MANY CONTRIBUTIONS TO MAKE A COMMUNITY, UM, SUCH AS BEING IN ATTENDANCE TONIGHT AND, 
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AND HELPING THINGS ALONG, OR BEING ON ONE OF OUR COMMITTEES AND COMMISSIONS. 
          BUT YOU CAN JUST BE A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY WHO HELPS. 
          AND TONIGHT, I'D LIKE TO NOTE THAT WE'VE LOST ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY WHO HELPS THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          BILL DONAHUE, UM, SPENT A NUMBER OF YEARS ASSISTING IN OUR, UH, MOBILE HOME PARKS WITH EFFORTS. 
          UM, THEY NEED TO BE KNOWLEDGEABLE ON THE LAW AND RIGHTS AND OPPORTUNITIES, AND, UH, HE WILL BE DEARLY MISSED. 
          AND TONIGHT WE'LL BE CLOSING THIS MEETING IN HIS HONOR AND MEMORY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NOW FOR TONIGHT'S, UH, WORKSHOP, WE HAVE, UM, A PRESENTATION AND SUGGESTED FEEDBACK RELATING TO THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE, INCLUDING FEEDBACK ON THE DRAFT BLUEPRINT FOR CARBON NEUTRALITY AND THE PUBLIC REVIEW PROCESS FOR DRAFT POLICY FRAMEWORK. 
          AND WE'RE GONNA CONDUCT THIS WORKSHOP TO REVIEW AND DISCUSS AREAS OF LAND USE ALTERNATIVES TO HELP US WITH THIS, I'D LIKE TO ASK OUR DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, BRIAN O TO HELP TEE IT UP. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND GOOD AFTERNOON SLASH EVENING COMMUNITY MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          MY NAME IS BRIAN O YOU'RE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, AND I HAVE THE PLEASURE TODAY TO KICK OFF, UM, A DISCUSSION, A WORKSHOP THAT WE HAVE PLANNED. 
          I'M JOINED HERE BY A NUMBER OF OUR STAFF MEMBERS, A NUMBER OF, UM, OUR LEADERSHIP TEAM HERE AT THE CITY OF PETALUMA, AS WELL AS, UM, ESSENTIALLY THE FULL CONSULTING TEAM, UM, THAT HAS HELPED US, UM, GET TO THIS POINT IN OUR GENERAL PLAN UPDATE. 
          SO 2045, UH, ROUGHLY 20 YEARS FROM NOW. 
          UM, THAT'S THE, UH, PLANNING, UH, EXCUSE ME, PLANNING HORIZON. 
          UM, I, WHEN I THINK ABOUT 2045, UH, MY THREE CHILDREN WILL BE OUT OF SCHOOL AND GRADUATED, UM, IN COLLEGE AND POST-COLLEGE. 
          AND, UH, PART OF WHY, UM, WE DO THIS WORK, NOT JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, FROM THE, THE NINE TO FIVE, THE OFFICE HOURS, WE DO THIS FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR NEIGHBORS AND MY CHILDREN'S CLASSMATES. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, I TAKE THAT TO, TO HEART. 
          UM, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE, UM, TO GET US TO THIS POINT. 
          UM, WE, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE INTRODUCTION, UM, AND STARTED THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE FOR OUR CITY, UH, WAS LARGELY DONE, UH, DURING THE PANDEMIC. 
          AND SO, UM, WE HAD TO QUICKLY PIVOT AND DO A LOT OF OUR COMMUNITY INPUT, UM, AND A LOT OF THE WORK, UM, REMOTE. 
          AND SO, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, PLAYING A LITTLE BIT OF CATCH UP. 
          THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK THAT, UM, THE COMMUNITY TO DATE HAS PROVIDED. 
          AND SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO PROVIDING THE COUNCIL HERE AND THE PUBLIC, UM, A LITTLE SNAPSHOT OF THAT. 
          AND SO, UM, TO THIS POINT, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE, UM, WE HAVE THROUGH THIS COUNCIL'S LEADERSHIP A HOUSING PLAN FOR THE NE NEXT EIGHT YEARS. 
          AND SO WE HAVE A CERTIFIED, UM, HOUSING PLAN, UM, MARCH OF 2023. 
          UM, AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY, UM, AND ESSENTIALLY BIFURCATED THE PROCESS, UM, THROUGH THE LEADERSHIP OF COUNCIL TO RECOGNIZE CLIMATE AS AN EMERGENCY. 
          UM, AND SO WITH THAT RESOLUTION, UM, UH, AND THE CLIMATE ACTION, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, UH, ESSENTIALLY PRIORITIZED THAT WORK. 
          UM, AND SO YOU'LL GET A PREVIEW TODAY ON OUR CITY'S CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, OVER A THOUSAND, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS. 
          UM, LOTS OF INPUT PROVIDED FROM OUR VARIOUS, UM, COMMITTEES, COMMISSIONS, AND BOARDS. 
          UM, AND SO WE ARE REALLY EXCITED TO GIVE YOU THAT, UM, PREVIEW TODAY. 
          UM, AND SO WE'LL HAVE, UH, A COORDINATED, UH, PRESENTATION. 
          UH, AGAIN, A NUMBER OF OUR CONSULTANTS WILL, UM, WALK US THROUGH THIS. 
          UH, FIRST UP AGAIN, CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. 
          UM, ESSENTIALLY SETTING THE TONE. 
          WHAT DOES IT TAKE FOR US TO BE A CARBON NEUTRAL CITY? UM, THE CITY HAS, UM, YOU KNOW, A REALLY, UH, UM, POSITIVE AND, UM, UH, A GOAL THAT WE ARE WANTING TO MEET. 
          AND WE'RE GOING TO, IT'S A TALL ORDER. 
          IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA NEED THE COMMUNITY'S SUPPORT ON. 
          IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA NEED THE CITY COUNCIL SUPPORT ON, UM, TO GET US CLOSER TO THAT GOAL. 
          UM, AND THEN NEXT STEP, UH, WE'LL HAVE, UM, HEATHER HINES WALK US THROUGH THE GENERAL PLAN FRAMEWORKS. 
          AND SO WE'LL TOUCH ON WHAT ARE ESSENTIALLY THE, 
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THE MAKINGS OF THE GENERAL PLAN, THE DRAFT GENERAL PLAN, UM, POLICIES, UH, AND THEN THE, THE, UM, MAIN EVENT WILL BE A DISCUSSION ON LAND USE ALTERNATIVES. 
          AND SO WITHIN THOSE 25 YEARS, UM, HOW DO WE WANT TO EVOLVE? HOW DO WE WANT TO GROW AS A CITY TO ACCOMMODATE, UM, NOT JUST THE PEOPLE, UM, AND THE COMMUNITY THAT WE HAVE NOW, BUT THE NEXT, UM, GENERATION AND THE FOLLOWING GENERATION. 
          UM, AND THAT'S WHAT WE CAN DO WITH, UH, WITH THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE. 
          UM, AND SO WITH THAT COMES WITH SOME DISCUSSION ON HOW WE MAY NEED TO EVOLVE AND CHANGE AS A COMMUNITY, WHETHER IT'S ZONING, WHETHER IT'S PRIORITIZATION OF DIFFERENT POLICIES, UM, WHETHER, I MEAN, THE ONE THAT'S REALLY FRONT AND CENTER IS MODE SHIFT. 
          HOW DO WE GET MORE PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO, UM, SAFELY MOVE THROUGH THE TOWN, THROUGH THE COUNTY, THROUGH THE REGION, UM, SAFELY, UM, OUT OF THEIR, THEIR VEHICLES, RIGHT? THAT'S REALLY, UM, A BIG TARGET THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO GET TO. 
          AND, UM, WE WILL DO A DEEP DIVE IN THAT. 
          UM, AND THEN AS WELL AS, UH, THE COUNCIL IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR, UM, THIS YEAR RECEIVED A PRESENTATION ON, UH, MODELING FOR SEA LEVEL RISE AND FLOODING. 
          SO WE ARE RIVERTOWN, IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE PROUD OF, WE'LL CONTINUE TO BE PROUD OF. 
          IT'S WE'RE ROOTED, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, IN THE HISTORY, UM, THAT PETALUMA IS AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE. 
          UM, BUT THERE'S ALSO THE REAL, UM, FACT THAT CLIMATE IS CHANGING AND IT'S GOING TO IMPACT, UM, OUR CITY ALONG WITH A NUMBER OF OTHER CITIES. 
          AND SO, UM, IN RESPONSE TO THAT, HOW DO WE EVOLVE DIFFERENT PARTS OF OUR CITY? UM, AND SO THAT'S AGAIN, SOMETHING THAT WE NEED LEADERSHIP FROM COUNCIL ON, UH, THIS EVENING. 
          UM, AND SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT CONVERSATION. 
          AND FIRST UP WILL BE ERIC KOVICH TALKING THROUGH OUR BLUEPRINT FOR CARBON NEUTRALITY. 
          THANKS, BRIAN. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT INTRODUCTION. 
          MY NAME IS ERIC KOVICH. 
          I'M A PRINCIPAL AT RAMIAN ASSOCIATES, AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH YOU ALL ON THE BLUEPRINT SINCE BACK IN 2021. 
          SO I'M GONNA TALK THROUGH THAT. 
          UH, JUST GIMME A SECOND TO MAKE SURE MY SLIDES ARE UP FIRST. 
          AND I AM GONNA ASK IF YOU COULD SLOW THE PACE A LITTLE. 
          I KNOW WE HAVE TONS OF CONTENT, BUT, UH, FOR, UH, PURPOSES OF COMMUNICATING, UM, WITH OUR TRANSLATORS, WE DO NEED A LITTLE BIT OF PACE. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          UM, SO TONIGHT WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS FOR THE BLUEPRINT. 
          I'M GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE INVENTORY OF EMISSIONS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, AND THEN I'M REALLY GONNA SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF TIME FOCUSING ON THE CORNERSTONE ACTIONS THAT ARE PART OF THE BLUEPRINT ITSELF AND THOSE REVISIONS OVERALL. 
          UH, AND THEN WE'RE HERE TO TAKE, TALK ABOUT SOME OF WHAT WE HEARD DURING THE PUBLIC REVIEW PROCESS ON THE BLUEPRINT AND THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED, AND THEN REALLY TO TAKE COMMENTS THAT YOU ALL HAVE BOTH ON THE BLUEPRINT, BUT THEN ON THOSE, UH, REVISED CORNERSTONE ACTIONS. 
          SO, THE BLUEPRINT FOR CARBON NEUTRALITY REALLY REPRESENTS THE CITY'S PROGRAM TO REDUCE ITS SHARE OF GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS. 
          IT AIMS TO REALLY IMPLEMENT A SHARED VISION FOR CLIMATE CHANGE THAT REALLY STARTED, UM, OR REALLY WAS FOCUSED AS PART OF THE CITY'S CLIMATE EMERGENCY FRAMEWORK. 
          THE INTENT OF THE BLUEPRINT IS REALLY TO BUILD ON A LOT OF THE WORK THAT THE CITY AND COMMUNITY HAVE ALREADY DONE, LIFTING THAT WORK UP, AND THEN EXPANDING THAT OUT OVER TIME TO REALLY WRAP THE GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTION PROGRAM INTO THOSE EXISTING PROGRAMS. NOW, UH, THE, THE BLUEPRINT FOR CARBON NEUTRALITY IS REALLY INTENDED AS A SHORT TERM IMPLEMENTATION PLAN. 
          SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT KIND OF A FIVE TO 10 YEAR TIME HORIZON WITH LOTS OF CHECK-INS OVER TIME, AND A MONITORING PROGRAM BUILT IN TO SHARE AND REPORT BACK HOW THE CITY IS DOING ON ITS IMPLEMENTATION. 
          NOW, IN CLIMATE PLANNING, WE USUALLY TALK ABOUT TWO SPECIFIC THINGS. 
          THE FIRST IS GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTION, AND THE SECOND IS CLIMATE ADAPTATION. 
          UM, AND WHILE THERE'S OVERLAP BETWEEN THESE TWO PARTICULAR AREAS, UM, THE BLUEPRINT REALLY FOCUSES ON GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTION. 
          AND THE GENERAL PLAN FOCUSES ON CLIMATE ADAPTATION. 
          AND THE INTENT OF THAT WAS, WAS TO SEPARATE THEM TO MOVE THE GREENHOUSE GAS, UH, REDUCTION PLAN FORWARD MORE QUICKLY SO YOU CAN START ITS IMPLEMENTATION IN PART BECAUSE OF YOUR AGGRESSIVE, UH, CLIMATE NEUTRALITY GOAL. 
          NOW, AS I MENTIONED, WE KICKED OFF OUR PROCESS IN 2021, 
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UH, WHERE WE INVENTORIED EMISSIONS, UH, ACROSS THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS. 
          THEN WE CONDUCTED A SERIES OF GREENHOUSE GAS, UH, REDUCTION ANALYSIS WHERE WE, UH, ANALYZED A SERIES OF, UH, GREENHOUSE GAS MITIGATION OR REDUCTION MEASURES. 
          UH, WE, UH, MADE SOME ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT HOW AGGRESSIVELY THE CITY COULD IMPLEMENT THOSE MEASURES, AND THEN QUANTIFIED THE POTENTIAL REDUCTIONS FROM EACH OF THOSE MEASURES. 
          THAT ANALYSIS WAS THEN COMPARED TO YOUR CLIMATE, UH, AND CARBON NEUTRALITY GOAL. 
          UM, AND FROM THERE WE DEVELOPED A SERIES OF GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTION ACTION PLANS, WHICH WE REVIEWED EXTENSIVELY WITH THE CITY STAFF AND LEADERSHIP TEAM, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, I THINK SIX OR EIGHT DIFFERENT, UM, UH, CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION ADVISORY COMMITTEE OR AD HOC MEETINGS. 
          WE TOOK ALL THAT FEEDBACK, PACKAGED IT TOGETHER INTO THE BLUEPRINT FOR CARBON NEUTRALITY, AND THEN SHARED THAT OUT WITH THE, THE COMMUNITY, UH, LAST OCTOBER. 
          AND IT'S BEEN OUT FOR PUBLIC REVIEW, AND WE'VE BEEN TAKING COMMENTS ON THAT AS WELL DURING THAT PUBLIC REVIEW PROCESS. 
          UM, WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF OPPORTUNITIES TO GET COMMUNITY INPUT, BOTH ONLINE, BUT THROUGH BOARD AND COMMISSION MEETINGS, UM, AS WELL AS OTHER AVENUES. 
          NOW I'M JUST GONNA TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO WALK THROUGH SOME OF THE KEY COMPONENTS OF THE BLUEPRINT. 
          UM, SO AS I MENTIONED, WE INITIATED THE PROCESS BY INVENTORYING COMMUNITY-WIDE, AND, UH, MUNICIPAL OPERATION EMISSIONS. 
          REALLY, THIS GIVES US A BASELINE TO UNDERSTAND THE EMISSIONS PROFILE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, BUT THERE ARE REALLY THREE TYPES OF INVENTORIES, AND I WANNA HIGHLIGHT EACH OF THE THREE BECAUSE WE TALK, WE TOUCH ON EACH OF THE THREE IN THE BLUEPRINT ITSELF. 
          SO STARTING FROM THE OUTSIDE AND WORKING IN, UM, CONSUMPTIVE BASED EMISSIONS ARE AN ESTIMATE OF BOTH DIRECT EMISSIONS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS INDIRECT EMISSIONS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO THOSE INDIRECT EMISSIONS INCLUDE MAYBE GOODS AND SERVICES PURCHASED, UH, OUTSIDE OF THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE SHIPPED HERE, YOUR AIRPLANE TRAVEL, UM, AND OTHER TYPES OF EMISSIONS. 
          UM, MUCH OF THESE ARE OUTSIDE OF THE CONTROL OF, UM, CITY OPERA, UH, OF THE CITY ITSELF. 
          AND SO WE OFTEN FOCUSED ON KIND OF THE CENTER, THE COMMUNITY-WIDE EMISSIONS, OR THOSE SECTOR BASED EMISSIONS. 
          THESE TEND TO BE CLOSER TO THE CITY'S JURISDICTIONAL CONTROL, AND YOU CAN ESTABLISH POLICIES AND PROGRAMS AROUND THOSE. 
          UM, TYPICALLY THESE INVENTORIES ARE, UH, QUARTER TO A HALF OF THE TOTAL CONSUMPTIVE BASED EMISSIONS. 
          SO CONSUMPTIVE BASED EMISSIONS, UH, ARE A LARGE PORTION OF EMISSIONS. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, WE INVENTORIED MUNICIPAL OPERATION EMISSIONS. 
          SO THAT'S THE THINGS THAT THE CITY OF PETALUMA AS AN ORGANIZATION EMITS DURING ITS FUNCTIONS AND OPERATIONS. 
          AND THESE ARE REALLY A REALLY JUST A FRACTION OF THE COMMUNITY-WIDE. 
          AND THEN THE CONSUMPTIVE BASED EMISSIONS TYPICALLY ABOUT LESS THAN 1% OF YOUR EMISSIONS. 
          UM, THIS IS A, AN, UH, ILLUSTRATION OF THE, THE CITY'S GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS PROFILE. 
          IN 2018, WHEN WE DID THE EMISSIONS, UH, ANALYSIS, THE CITY HAD ABOUT 472,000 METRIC TONS OF CO2 E. 
          YOU CAN SEE FROM THE CHART ITSELF THAT MOST OF THOSE EMISSIONS ARE FROM ON-ROAD TRANSPORTATION. 
          SO ABOUT TWO THIRDS, ABOUT QUARTER OR SO ARE FROM BUILDING ENERGY USE OVERALL. 
          SO THOSE ARE YOUR, SORT OF, YOUR TWO PRIMARY SECTORS OF EMISSIONS OVERALL. 
          UM, AND THEN WE LOOKED AT THE TREND OVER TIME. 
          SO FROM 2010 TO 2018, UM, ENERGY AND WATER EMISSIONS FELL DUE TO, UH, ENTERING INTO SONOMA CLEAN POWER. 
          THAT WAS REALLY POSITIVE. 
          BUT THEN THERE WAS AN INCREASE IN TRANSPORTATION RELATED EMISSIONS, IN PART DUE TO THE IMPACTS OF CHANGING MODELS THAT WERE HAPPENING AT THE REGIONAL LEVEL. 
          NOW I'VE SEEN THE 2020, UH, INVENTORY FOR THE CITY THAT WAS BEEN DONE BY THE SONOMA, UM, CLIMATE PROTECTION AUTHORITY. 
          AND OVERALL, YOUR EMISSIONS HAVE DECLINED AGAIN. 
          UM, IN PARTICULAR IN TRANSPORTATION SECTOR WITH THE COVID, UH, 19 PANDEMIC OVERALL, UH, TRANSPORTATION EMISSIONS WENT DOWN ACROSS THE BOARD. 
          UM, WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE, I, AS I MENTIONED, THE EMISSIONS FROM, UH, THE CITY AS AN ORGANIZATION ITSELF. 
          AND SO WE ESTIMATED THOSE AT ABOUT 3,600, UH, 36,000 METRIC TONS. 
          UH, MOST OF THOSE, LIKE THE COMMUNITY-WIDE, UH, PROFILE ARE IN THE TRANSPORTATION SECTOR. 
          UM, AND YOU'LL SEE AS WE GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, WE GET TO THE CORNERSTONE ACTIONS. 
          THERE'S A BIG FOCUS ON EMISSIONS, UH, FROM THOSE SECTORS WITH THE LARGEST, UH, PARTS OF THE PIE. 
          SO ONCE WE HAD INVENTORIED THOSE EMISSIONS, WE WANTED TO KNOW WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO GET TO THE CITY'S CARBON NEUTRALITY GOAL. 
          UM, SO WE CREATED A SERIES OF WHAT IF SCENARIOS, 
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UM, BUT FIRST WE DID THAT BY CREATING TWO FORECASTS. 
          SO WHAT WOULD THE CITY'S EMISSIONS PROFILE LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE? THERE'S A BUSINESS AS USUAL FORECAST, AND THAT SAYS, NO POLICY CHANGE, NOT VERY LIKELY IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA. 
          SO WE ALSO CREATE A, WHAT'S CALLED AN ADJUSTED BUSINESS AS USUAL. 
          SO IT TAKES THOSE EMISSIONS AND A ADAPTS THEM FOR STATE POLICY THAT'S BEING IMPLEMENTED AT THE STATE. 
          AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE USE TO, TO TEAR OFF AND LOOK AT LOCAL ACTION. 
          THEN WHAT WE DO IS CREATE, WE CREATED A COUPLE OF CLIMATE ACTION SCENARIOS. 
          UM, THE FIRST OF THOSE IS WHAT WE CALL THE AMBITIOUS CLIMATE, UM, SCENARIO. 
          THAT ONE REALLY COINCIDES WITH THE BLUEPRINTS ACTION PLAN. 
          SO WHEN YOU SEE THE GRAPHS, THAT'S, IT COINCIDES WITH WHAT'S IN THE BLUEPRINT ITSELF, AND IT ILLUSTRATES BOTH THAT AMBITIOUS STATE POLICY, BUT THEN VERY AMBITIOUS LOCAL POLICY AS WELL. 
          AND THEN THE, WHAT DOES IT TAKE SCENARIO IS JUST A BOOKEND FOR US TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE WOULD NEED, WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO TO GET TO THAT CARBON NEUTRALITY GOAL. 
          THE CLIMATE ACTION SCENARIOS REALLY LOOKED AT THESE SEVEN SECTORS OF EMISSIONS. 
          SO ENERGY AND BUILDINGS, TRANSPORTATION, LAND USE, RESOURCE CONSUMPTION, WATER SEQUESTRATION, AND MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS. 
          THE DARKER BOXES TEND TO, UH, REFLECT AREAS WHERE THERE'S MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR EMISSION REDUCTIONS. 
          AND THIS GRAPHIC ON THE SCREEN AN, UH, ILLUSTRATES THE ANNUAL GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS, UH, FOR THE ADJUSTED AND, UH, THE BUSINESS AS USUAL, SO THAT NO ACTION SCENARIO AND THE ADJUSTED BUSINESS AS USUAL, KIND OF ON THAT TOP PART OF THE GRAPH. 
          AND THEN THE AMBITIOUS CLIMATE ACTION PLAN MODELS, THE BLUEPRINTS ACTION PLANS. 
          SO IT INCLUDES BUILDING AND ENERGY UPGRADES, UH, A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN VEHICLE ELECTRIFICATION MODE SPLITS. 
          AND THIS SCENARIO REALLY HELPS THE CITY TO REDUCE EMISSIONS BY, UH, 250,000 METRIC TONS OF CO2 E IN ABOUT A 10 YEAR PERIOD. 
          UM, THIS AMBITIOUS CLIMATE ACTION PLAN SCENARIO WOULD ALSO HELP THE CITY EXCEED THE STATE TARGETS FOR GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTION ESTABLISHED IN SENATE BILL 32, WHICH CALLS FOR A 40% REDUCTION BELOW 1990 LEVELS BY 2030. 
          UM, THIS WOULD ALSO ALLOW THE CITY TO THEN USE THE BLUEPRINT AND ITS ANALYSIS, UH, TO REALLY HELP WITH THE GENERAL PLAN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT, AND ALLOWING FEATURE DEVELOPMENT TO TIER OFF OF THAT PROGRAM SO LONG AS IT MEETS, UM, SOME REQUIREMENTS. 
          UM, BUT NONETHELESS, YOU CAN SEE THAT AMBITIOUS SCENARIO DOESN'T QUITE GET US TO THAT CARBON NEUTRALITY TARGET. 
          SO YOU MIGHT ASK, WHY NOT JUST RATCHET THE BLUEPRINT NUMBERS TO GET TO THAT, UH, CARBON NEUTRALITY GOAL BY 2030? IT'S JUST A MODEL. 
          YOU CAN TURN THE DIALS, RIGHT? SO THIS SLIDE ILLUSTRATES SOME OF THE FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TWO DIFFERENT SCENARIOS THAT WE JUST WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU THIS EVENING. 
          SO ON THE LEFT, THE AMBITIOUS CLIMATE ACTION SCENARIO, AGAIN, THAT'S THE BLUEPRINT ACTION PLANS BEING MODELED. 
          IT ELECTRIFIES ABOUT 40% OF THE BUILDINGS BY 2030. 
          IT MODELS ABOUT A 25%, UH, OF ELECTRIC VEHICLE FLEET WITHIN THE ENTIRE CITY. 
          UH, AND THEN A MO SHARE OF ABOUT 50% OF THE TRIPS BY, UH, NON-AUTO MODES IN 2030. 
          UH, AND THAT STILL LEAVES THAT IN, UH, THAT EMISSIONS GAP THAT YOU CAN SEE AT THE BOTTOM. 
          WHAT WOULD THE, WHAT DOES IT TAKE SCENARIO? NECESSITATES ELECTRIFYING ABOUT 85% OF THE BUILDINGS, UH, AND THEN HAVING A MODE SHARE OF ABOUT 75%. 
          NOW, YOU CAN TOGGLE THE ELECTRIC VEHICLES OR THE MODE SHARE IN THERE. 
          I THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES TO HAVE MORE ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND LOWER MODE SHARE ACROSS BOTH OF THE SCENARIOS, BUT WE ARE JUST TESTING THESE IDEAS TO SEE HOW FAR WE WOULD NEED TO GET TO IN ORDER TO MEET THE CITY'S TARGETS. 
          NOW, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE, UM, FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF CITIZENS AND STAFF? SO, ELECTRIFYING BETWEEN 40 AND 80% OF THE BUILDINGS WOULD BE ABOUT A THOUSAND HOUSING UNITS PER YEAR TO 2,400 HOUSING UNITS PER YEAR TO GET TO THAT TARGET. 
          ELECTRIFYING ABOUT A THOUSAND, UH, NEW VEHICLES EVERY YEAR. 
          YOU CAN SEE THERE'S ABOUT 3,800 VEHICLES WITHIN THE CITY. 
          UM, AND THEN MODE SPLIT OF ABOUT 50% WOULD BE SOMETHING LIKE NORTH WOULD FEEL SOMETHING LIKE NORTH BEACH OR CHINATOWN AND SAN FRANCISCO. 
          SO YOU GET A SENSE OF LIKE, WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO GET TO THESE, UH, AMBITIOUS NUMBERS. 
          SO GIVING STAFF, GIVEN STAFFING CAPACITY, RESOURCES, APOLOGIES IF WE COULD JUST SLOW DOWN SLIGHTLY FOR OUR INTERPRETERS. 
          OH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO JUST GIVEN THE STAFFING CAPACITY, RESOURCES, 
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THE COSTS OF DOING THIS TECHNOLOGY ADOPTION, AND THEN IMPLEMENTING FASTER THAN THE STATE, FOR EXAMPLE, AND THE FEDERAL POLICY, WE WORKED UP A REDUCTION PROCESS THAT RECOGNIZES THOSE CHALLENGES, BUT REALLY AIMS TO, UH, IMPLEMENT AND REEVALUATE THE BLUEPRINT OVER TIME. 
          SO WE START BY IMPLEMENTING FOUNDATIONAL ACTIONS THAT WILL SET THE CITY UP FOR THE FUTURE. 
          THOSE ARE THOSE CORNERSTONE ACTIONS IN PARTICULAR THAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT TONIGHT. 
          THESE INCLUDE DEVELOPING FINANCING MECHANISMS, UH, FOR BUILDING ELECTRIFICATION, UM, EV ADOPTION, UH, TRANSPORTATION, DEMAND MANAGEMENT ORDINANCES, AND THEN FINISHING UP THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          THOSE ARE A FEW OF THOSE KIND OF FOUNDATIONAL ACTIONS. 
          THEN WE AIM FOR MORE URBAN TRANSFORMATION. 
          THESE INCLUDE THINGS LIKE, UH, IMPLEMENTING THE FULL ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN IN ALL OF ITS STREET NETWORKS, WHILE ALSO WORKING TO SEQUESTER CARBON OR CAPTURING CARBON WITHIN THE LANDSCAPE. 
          SO IN TREES AND IN PARKS AND OPEN SPACES. 
          AND THEN ALL, AT ALL THE TIME REALLY WORKING TO MONITOR AND ADJUST THE BLUEPRINT OVER TIME AS WE WORK TOWARDS OUR GOALS. 
          AND THEN TOWARDS THE LATTER HALF OF THE DECADE, THE CITY WILL REALLY WORK TO EXPAND THE DECARBONIZATION PROGRAMS, TRANSITION FROM MORE VOLUNTARY INCENTIVE-BASED PROGRAMS TO MORE MANDATORY PROGRAMS, UM, AS FINANCIAL SUPPORT BECOMES AVAILABLE AND AS, UH, STATE AND REGIONAL POLICY KICK IN. 
          BUT ALL THE WHILE REALLY TRYING TO FOCUS ON THAT VISION OF AN EQUITABLE TRANSITION. 
          SO EACH OF THOSE SEVEN REDUCTION SECTORS THAT WE DISCUSSED EARLIER HAS WHAT WE CALL A SERIES OF IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES OR ACTION PLANS UNDERNEATH THEM. 
          AND THIS GRAPHIC IS JUST INTENDED TO SHOW YOU THE ARRAY OF THINGS THAT THE BLUEPRINT TOUCHES. 
          WE'RE NOT GONNA GO INTO EACH OF THEM THIS EVENING, BUT WITHIN EACH OF THOSE SMALLER GREEN SQUARES, THERE'S A SERIES OF ACTIONS BOTH FOR THE CITY, UM, AS WELL AS PARTNERSHIPS WITH THE COMMUNITY AND ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES, UM, AND PARTNERSHIPS WITH, UH, REGIONAL AND LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS. 
          SO, FOUNDATIONAL TO THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE BLUEPRINT IS, UH, EQUITY. 
          SO WE BELIEVE EQUITY CAN BE IMPLEMENTED IN A NUMBER OF WAYS, INCLUDING ENSURING THAT THE PROCESS IS JUST AND FAIR, ENSURING THAT WE JUST, UH, JUSTLY DISTRIBUTE RESOURCES TO PRIORITY COMMUNITIES THAT WILL EXPERIENCE THE BIGGEST CLIMATE HARMS, AND THEN WORKING TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE UNDERLYING CAUSES OF WHAT MAKES PEOPLE AT RISK AND VULNERABLE TO THE IMPACTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE. 
          SO, EQUITY CONSIDERATIONS HAVE BEEN INCORPORATED INTO EACH OF THE ACTION PLANS, AS YOU CAN SEE. 
          BUT WE, THERE'S ALSO A NUMBER OF TOOLS THAT HAVE BEEN INCORPORATED INTO THE BLUEPRINT ITSELF THAT CITY STAFF WILL BE ABLE TO USE AS IT IMPLEMENTS, UH, THE BLUEPRINT ITSELF. 
          SO THROUGH EXTENSIVE WORK WITH THE CITY'S LEADERSHIP TEAM AND CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION, UH, THERE ARE 29, UH, PRIORITY OR CORNERSTONE ACTIONS THAT ARE INCLUDED WITHIN THE BLUEPRINT NOW, UH, REALLY WITH THE GOAL OF HELPING TO MEET THE CITY'S AMBITIOUS CLIMATE TARGET. 
          SO THESE STRATEGIES ALIGN WITH SOME OF THE COUNCIL PRIORITIES. 
          THEY GENERATE SIGNIFICANT REDUCTIONS AND CO-BENEFITS, AND MANY OF THEM ARE REALLY FOUNDATIONAL TO SETTING THAT FRAMEWORK FOR THE CITY TO JUMP OFF OF, UH, MOVING FORWARD IN THE FUTURE. 
          SO OVER SEVERAL MEETINGS, WE WORKED WITH THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION, UM, TO REVISE THOSE CORNERSTONE ACTIONS, AND THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET FOR YOU THIS EVENING, AND WE'LL GO THROUGH THOSE TONIGHT. 
          UM, I'LL JUST SAY THAT, UH, ALL NEARLY ALL OF THE CORNERSTONE ACTIONS THAT WERE IN THE PUBLIC REVIEW DRAFT WERE KEPT IN THE, UH, IN THE CORNERSTONE ACTIONS. 
          AND THEN THERE ARE ADDITIONAL ONES ADDED THAT, UH, FOCUS ON, UH, MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS AS WELL AS COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. 
          UM, OVERALL. 
          SO FIRST UP ARE, UH, CORNERSTONE ACTIONS FOCUSED ON MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS. 
          UM, THESE WERE MOSTLY INCLUDED WITHIN THE BLUEPRINT ITSELF, BUT WORKING 
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WITH, UH, THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION, WE REALLY WORK TO LIFT THESE UP AS PRIORITY ACTIONS, REALLY TO HELP ALIGN DEPARTMENTAL RESOURCES AND STAFFING, DEVELOP ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURES, COMMUNICATIONS AND COLLABORATION ACROSS DEPARTMENTS AND STAFF WITHIN THE CITY, AND THEN TO MANAGE FACILITIES AND ASSETS TO, UH, REACH CARBON NEUTRALITY. 
          AND AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE COMMENTS THAT WE GOT, THERE WAS A LOT OF FOCUS ON THE CITY BEING A LEADER IN ACCELERATING ITS OWN, UH, CARBON, UH, REDUCTIONS. 
          UM, THESE ALSO INCLUDED THE ELECTRIFICATION OF THE CITY'S TRANSIT AND OTHER FLEETS, UH, ELECTRIFYING MUNICIPAL BUILDINGS, ALIGNING THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN WITH THE CARBON NEUTRALITY GOAL, AND THEN UPGRADING, UH, THE CORP YARD TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE NEW NEEDS FOR, UM, THOSE ALTERNATIVE FUEL VEHICLES. 
          AND THEN TO ENSURE TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY WITHIN THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE BLUEPRINT. 
          UM, A NUMBER OF, UH, ACTIONS WERE INCORPORATED TO REALLY FOCUS ON PARTNERSHIP AND ENGAGEMENT, BOTH WITH, UH, COMMUNITY MEMBERS THROUGH AN, A ROBUST NEW CLIMATE AWARENESS PROGRAM, BUT THEN ALSO PARTNERSHIP WITH STAKEHOLDER GROUPS, EXTERNAL ORGANIZATIONS LIKE UTILITIES, UM, AS WELL AS COMMUNITY MEMBERS, UH, TO PROVIDE THE INFORMATION AND TO SHARE THAT OUT WITH THEM. 
          REDUCING EMISSIONS IN THE TRANSPORTATION SECTOR, UM, IS REALLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES THAT THE CITY WILL HAVE IN IMPLEMENTING THE CARBON NEUTRALITY GOAL. 
          UH, AND IT'S NOT JUST PETALUMA. 
          THIS IS A ISSUE THAT ALL CITIES AND COMMUNITIES ARE FACING, AS WELL AS REGIONS AROUND THE STATE. 
          THIS WILL REQUIRE INVESTMENTS IN TRANSIT, ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION MODES, UH, TRANSPORTATION, DEMAND MANAGEMENT AND PARKING POLICY. 
          UM, REALLY THAT HELPS REDUCE SINGLE OCCUPANCY VEHICLE USE AND SHIFT PEOPLE INTO ACTIVE MODES OR ELECTRIFIED MODES OF TRAVEL. 
          SO THE NEXT SEVEN ACTIONS REALLY FOCUS ON THAT TRANSPORTATION AND LAND USE CONNECTION. 
          THESE INCLUDE FINISHING THE CITY'S GENERAL PLAN, REVISING THE ZONING CODE BASED ON THAT, AND THEN INCORPORATING COMPLETE STREETS IMPROVEMENTS, UH, AND ALL ROAD ROADWAY AND DEVELOPMENTS. 
          THIS INCLUDES STREET, UH, SPEED LIMIT REDUCTIONS, UH, COMPLETION OF THE LOCAL ROAD SAFETY PLAN, THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN, AND MORE. 
          UM, ADDITIONALLY, IN THE TRANSPORTATION SECTOR, THESE INCLUDE EXPANDING, IMPROVING, UH, PETALUMA TRANSIT, ADOPTING A TRANSPORTATION DEMAND MANAGEMENT, UH, ORDINANCE, INSTITUTING PARKING, PRICING POLICIES AND PROGRAMS. AND THEN, UM, WORKING TO EXPAND ELECTRIC VEHICLE INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, ACROSS THE COMMUNITY, BUT PARTICULARLY FOCUSED, UH, INITIALLY ON THE COMMUNITY'S MOST DISADVANTAGED POPULATIONS. 
          THESE TWO CORNER ACTION CORNERSTONE ACTIONS FOCUS ON ENERGY PURCHASE AND BUILDING ELECTRIFICATION AND EFFICIENCY. 
          AND THE CITY REALLY AIMS TO ACCELERATE A FOSSIL FUEL UTILITY SYSTEM THAT REDUCES, UH, ENERGY RELATED GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS AND DECARBONIZE BOTH NEW CONSTRUCTION AND EXISTING, UH, BUILDINGS. 
          OVERALL, THAT FIRST ACTION FOCUSES ON EXPANDING THE CITY'S PARTNERSHIPS WITH SONOMA CLEAN POWER, UM, AS WELL AS PG E TO IDENTIFY AND REDUCE AND REMOVE BARRIERS TO HOMES AND BUSINESSES, UH, TO PARTICIPATE AT THE A HUNDRED PERCENT EVERGREEN TIER. 
          AND THE SECOND, UH, STRATEGY IS REALLY THE DEVELOPMENT OF A PHASED IN ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND ELECTRIFICATION STRATEGY OVERALL. 
          THE NEXT ACTIONS FOCUS ON CAPTURING OR SEQUESTERING CARBON FROM THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT. 
          IT INCLUDES ACTIONS TO MANAGE THE CITY'S PARKS IN OPEN SPACES, IN WAYS THAT SUPPORT HEALTHY SOILS AND BIODIVERSITY. 
          UH, IT INCLUDES EXPANDING WATER, SUPPORTING THE EXPANSION OF WATER CONSERVATION PROGRAMS, UH, NATURE-BASED SOLUTIONS, UM, AS WELL AS FINALIZING THE URBAN FOREST PLAN AND DEVELOPING AN OPEN SPACE MANAGEMENT PROGRAM. 
          IN THE LAST SECTION OF CORNERSTONE ACTIONS FOCUS ON RESOURCE CONDUCT CONSUMPTION. 
          UH, THESE 
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INCLUDE CONTINUED PARTNERSHIP OF THE CITY WITH RECOLOGY AND ZERO WASTE SONOMA. 
          UH, IT INCLUDES BANNING GAS POWERED LAWN AND GARDEN EQUIPMENT, AND USING, UH, MINIMIZING THE USE OF HERBICIDES, PESTICIDES, AND FERTILIZERS ON CITY OWNED PROPERTIES, AND THEN WORKING WITH, UM, HOAS AND OTHERS TO, UH, DO THAT IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY AS WELL. 
          SO WE RECEIVED ABOUT A THOUSAND DIFFERENT COMMENTS ON THE BLUEPRINT. 
          MOST OF THOSE WERE SUPPORTIVE OF THE PLAN ITSELF WITH THE INTENT TO CLARIFY AND OR EXPAND THE GOALS OF THE PLAN ITSELF. 
          NOW ON YOUR SCREEN ARE A COUPLE OF THEMES THAT WE LIFTED UP. 
          UH, THE GENERAL THEMES THAT TOUCHED ON A LOT OF ISSUES THAT COMMUNITY MEMBERS ROSE, FOCUSING ON EQUITY AND IMPLEMENTATION, MAKING SURE THAT WE, UM, ENGAGE AND ACQUIRE CO-BENEFITS AS PART OF THESE STRATEGIES, ENSURING THAT THE FUNDING IS IN PLACE TO DO THIS WORK. 
          UM, AND THEN MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE ADAPTABLE AS TECHNOLOGY CHANGES, UH, IN THE FUTURE. 
          NOW, UH, ON THE RIGHT ARE A SERIES OF SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          NOW, WE GOT A LOT OF SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS ON EVERY AREA OF THE PLAN, FROM MODE SPLITS TO ELECTRIFICATION TO, UM, TO SEQUESTRATION AND NATURAL SYSTEMS. BUT WE JUST PULLED UP A FEW THAT WE FELT WERE A LITTLE AREAS OF EN AREAS WHERE THE BLUEPRINT COULD HAVE, UM, MORE DETAIL OR EXPANDED IDEAS LIKE NON-RESIDENTIAL BUILDING, UH, DECARBONIZATION COORDINATION WITH ARCHITECTS, TRADES AND CONTRACTORS AS BEING JUST A FEW OF THOSE DIFFERENT EXAMPLES, UH, COORDINATING WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT OVERALL. 
          UM, AND THEN SPECIFICALLY WE JUST WANTED TO EMPHASIZE THAT WE HEARD A LOT FROM THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THE CITY OF PET PETALUMA ITSELF AS BEING A LEADER AND DOING THIS WORK AND ACCELERATING ITS OWN REDUCTIONS IN EMISSIONS OVERALL TO BE, TO SHOW THAT LEADERSHIP AND TO SHOW HOW IT CAN BE DONE, UH, OVERALL. 
          SO, UH, FINALLY, WE JUST WANTED TO, UH, LET YOU KNOW ABOUT NEXT STEPS. 
          SO WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF PULLING TOGETHER, PULLING TOGETHER ALL THE COMMENTS AND RECOMMENDING SPECIFIC CHANGES TO THE BLUEPRINT ITSELF OVERALL, UM, AS WE'VE BEEN GETTING THEM THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS. 
          UM, WE'RE GONNA THEN TAKE ALL THOSE, MAKE CHANGES TO THE PLAN ITSELF, AND THEN RELEASE A KIND OF A PROPOSED FINAL DRAFT BLUEPRINT, UH, THIS SUMMER. 
          AND THEN WE'LL GO THROUGH A, A PROCESS OF HEARINGS WITH THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION PLAN COMMISSION, AND THEN BACK TO YOU, I BELIEVE, IN THE FALL THIS YEAR. 
          AND THEN THE, IN THE, IN THE END, IT REALLY WILL KICK OFF THE CITY, UH, IN ITS IMPLEMENTATION EFFORT. 
          SO, JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU ALL, UH, THIS EVENING FOR LISTENING. 
          UH, WE APPRECIATE ANY COMMENTS THAT YOU HAVE, UH, GENERALLY ON THE BLUEPRINT OR SPECIFICALLY ON THE CORNERSTONE ACTIONS THAT ARE IN FRONT OF YOU THIS EVENING. 
          SO THANKS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GREAT REPORT. 
          UM, I THINK AT THIS POINT WE'LL MOVE IT UP TO COUNCIL AND ASK FOR, UH, QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL. 
          THEN WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC, UH, UH, QUESTIONS OR COMMENT AT, AT THAT TIME. 
          SO LET'S START ON THE COUNCIL DIVES AND SEE WHO'S GOT, UH, ANYTHING THEY WANNA OFFER UP HERE FROM THIS. 
          WOW. 
          AM I THE ONLY ONE? OKAY. 
          , THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY UNUSUAL WITH THIS GROUP, UM, . 
          SO, UM, IT, IT LOOKS, UH, VERY COMPREHENSIVE. 
          APPRECIATE THAT. 
          UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STRIKES ME IS THAT, UM, THE GOALS ARE GONNA REQUIRE THE ELECTRIC TRANSMISSION AND DISTRIBUTION GRID TO BE UPGRADED SUBSTANTIALLY, UM, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE TRYING TO GET, UH, EXISTING BUILDINGS MOVED OVER FROM, UM, NATURAL GAS TO ELECTRIC HEAT IN THE WINTER MONTHS. 
          AND HAVE YOU TRIED TO SCOPE OUT HOW REALISTIC OR, OR WHERE, WHERE THE ELECTRIC GRID IS ON THE TRANSMISSION SIDE AND THE DISTRIBUTION SIDE IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS KIND OF A PROGRAM? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THESE KINDS OF CONVERSATIONS ARE HAPPENING STATEWIDE, AND I THINK THE UTILITIES ARE, YOU KNOW, I HEAR AT CAL CITIES AND TALKING TO LEGISLATORS THAT, UM, PG E IS OFTEN GETS CALLED OUT FOR 
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BEING MONTHS BEHIND IN HOOKING UP NEW CONSTRUCTION. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TRANSMISSION AND DISTRIBUTION ISSUES, OR IF IT'S MANPOWER ISSUES OR ALL OF THE ABOVE. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, THAT THAT PROBLEM'S NOT GONNA GO AWAY. 
          AND IF WE, OR IF WE'RE HAVING THESE AMBITIOUS GOALS, I, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A DEEPER DIVE INTO, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT'S REALISTIC TO ASSUME, AND WHAT ADDITIONAL INVESTMENTS MIGHT BE REQUIRED TO BE PUSHED BY SACRAMENTO IN THESE AREAS TO SUPPORT US AND OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT WANNA DO THESE THINGS. 
          UM, BECAUSE IT, YOU, UH, WE COULD EASILY TALK, BE TALKING INTO THE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS STATEWIDE. 
          UM, AND KINDA RELATED TO THAT, I WAS CURIOUS WHAT A MANDATORY DECARBONIZATION PROGRAM MIGHT LOOK LIKE FOR EXISTING BUILDINGS. 
          UH, SURE. 
          I HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, AS OF, UH, LAST YEAR THERE WAS, UM, A COURT CASE THAT JUST CAME DOWN WHERE THE CITY OF BERKELEY WAS SUED BY THE RESTAURANT ASSOCIATION. 
          IT WENT THROUGH, UH, COURT PROCESS APPELLATE COURTS OVERALL, AND IT REQUIRED THEM TO REMOVE THEIR REQUIREMENTS FOR ELECTRIFICATION OF NEW CONSTRUCTION. 
          UM, SO THAT HAD BEEN KIND OF THE PREFERRED PATHWAY THAT A LOT OF COMMUNITIES AROUND THE STATE, AND THERE WERE A NUMBER OF THEM WHO HAD ALREADY IMPLEMENTED ELECTRIFICATION PROGRAMS, BOTH FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION AND THEN PHASE OUT FOR, UH, EXISTING BUILDINGS. 
          AND I APOLOGIZE FOR TALKING TOO QUICKLY, SO I'LL SLOW DOWN AGAIN. 
          UM, LAST, I THINK IT WAS LAST YEAR IN 2023, UM, THE BAY AREA AIR QUALITY MANAGEMENT, UH, PASSED, UM, OR IT'S FIRST OF ITS KIND, UH, REGULATIONS IN THE COUNTRY TO PHASE OUT THE USE OF, UM, NATURAL GAS APPLIANCES WITH WITHIN HOMES FOCUSED ON THE REDUCTION, UH, AND THE REMOVAL OF NITROUS OXIDE EMISSIONS FROM HOMES AND FOCUSED THE INTENT OF THAT ORDINANCE ON PUBLIC HEALTH CONCERNS AND ISSUES OVERALL, THAT, UH, REGULATION IS INTENDED TO GO INTO EFFECT IN 2027. 
          THEY'RE WORKING ON THE RULES AND THE REGULATIONS AROUND THAT RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, SO IN THIS CASE, IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHERE YOU USE, AND YOU RELY ON THE REGIONAL AGENCIES RULEMAKING TO HELP SUPPORT THE IMPLEMENTATION HERE LOCALLY WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. 
          THAT SAID, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS HAPPENING IN THIS SPACE RIGHT NOW AROUND RULES AND REGULATIONS. 
          AND I THINK WHAT WE'RE GONNA TRY AND DO IS MAKE SURE THAT THE PLAN IS ADAPTABLE AND FLEXIBLE ENOUGH TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF WHAT THE OPPORTUNITIES MIGHT LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE. 
          SO WITH THOSE AIR, AIR DISTRICT REGULATIONS AFFECT EXISTING BUILDINGS AND EXISTING HOUSING STOCK, OR JUST NEW, UH, IT WOULD AFFECT BOTH. 
          UM, IT WOULD AFFECT THEM. 
          WHEN YOU SAY YOU YOU NEEDED TO BUY A NEW HOT WATER TANK FOR YOUR HOUSE, THEN YOU WOULD BUY AN ELECTRIC VERSION OF THAT. 
          OKAY, BUT HOW ABOUT SPACE HEATING? SAME, SAME THING. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO YOU CAN'T REPLACE YOUR EXISTING NATURAL GAS SPACE HEATING. 
          YOU HAVE TO, OKAY, WELL, THAT'S GONNA BE EXPENSIVE. 
          UM, SO I JUST SHIFTING OVER MR. DANLEY, UM, THE BERKELEY CASE WAS MENTIONED, AND I, I THINK I'VE SEEN SOME CITIES SAY THAT THEY, THEY THINK THEIR ORDINANCES ARE SUFFICIENTLY DIFFERENT THAT IT'S NOT AFFECTED BY THE COURT DECISION. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY OPINION ON THAT THERE? THERE'S, THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY. 
          UM, UM, CITIES ARE LOOKING AT THAT AS ARE WE, UM, TO ASSESS THE SCOPE OF THE, UM, UH, SURPRISING AND I THINK WRONGLY DECIDED. 
          UM, NINTH CIRCUIT DECISION THAT ESSENTIALLY CONVERTED TREATED, UM, FEDERAL REGULATIONS INTENDED TO, TO CONSISTENTLY GOVERN THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY OF, OF CONSUMER APPLIANCES, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE INTO A RIGHT TO USE DIFFERENT SOURCES OF ENERGY. 
          THAT WAS THE, THE IMPACT OF THE RULING. 
          UM, WHAT ONE THING THAT'S IMPORTANTLY DIFFERENT ABOUT, UM, BERKELEY'S REGULATIONS IS THEY WERE JUST ADOPTED IN RELIANCE ON ITS POLICE POWER AND ITS MUNICIPAL CODE. 
          OURS AND OTHERS LIKE OURS WERE, UM, INSTEAD ADOPTED AS LOCAL AMENDMENTS TO THE CALIFORNIA BUILDING STANDARDS CODE AS TRUE, UM, UM, BUILDING STANDARDS AND, AND AMENDMENTS TO THE BUILDING CODE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SCHEME IN CALIFORNIA FOR, UH, LOCAL AMENDMENTS TO WHAT IS OTHERWISE THE STATE PROMULGATED CODE. 
          UM, AND THAT WAS DONE VERY CONSCIOUSLY ON OUR PART TO, TO STRENGTHEN, UM, THE REGULATIONS. 
          ALSO, WE TOOK A VERY, UM, CAREFUL AND THOROUGH LOOK AT CQA AND OUR ENACTMENTS BECAUSE SOME, SOME ATTEMPTS TO REGULATE, UM, AND REQUIRE ELECTRIFICATION 
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IN OUR REGION HAD BEEN, UM, HAD BEEN, UM, STYMIED BY LEGAL CHALLENGES BASED ON CQA. 
          SO WE HAVE THOSE STRENGTHS IN OUR FAVOR. 
          UM, BUT THE, UM, THE, UM, LANGUAGE OF THE NINTH CIRCUIT CASE IS, AND AGAIN, THIS IS ANOTHER BIZARRE FEATURE OF THE RULING, IT'S EXTREMELY BROAD. 
          UM, BUT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT ITS SCOPE IS AS BROAD. 
          SO, UM, I, WE KNOW SAN FRANCISCO IS LOOKING AT THAT. 
          THERE'S SOME OTHER CITIES IN THE PENINSULA THAT ARE LOOKING AT THAT. 
          AND SO WE WILL BE BACK TO THE COUNCIL WITH SOME SUGGESTIONS. 
          WE KNOW THAT, UM, FROM, FROM WHAT YOU'VE JUST SEEN AND MORE THAT WILL BE DISCUSSED TONIGHT, UM, THAT THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT AREA. 
          IT'S BUILDING ENERGY AND, UM, V UM, TRANSPORTATION ENERGY THAT ARE THE TWO BIGGEST, UM, CONTRIBUTES TO GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS. 
          UM, AND IT'S BUILDINGS THAT LOCAL AGENCIES HAVE THE, UM, GREAT STABILITY TO REGULATE. 
          UM, THERE ARE STILL, UM, YOU KNOW, CHALLENGES WITH THAT AS, AS YOU'VE HEARD AND WE'LL HEAR MORE OF. 
          UM, THERE ARE EQUITY CONSIDERATIONS YOU GOT AT SOME OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, INDIRECTLY IN SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS. 
          'CAUSE THE COST OF, UM, POTENTIALLY ON CONSUMERS AND RESIDENTS ON MAKING THE SWITCH. 
          UM, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SIMILAR THINGS RECENTLY ABOUT, UM, GAS POWERED, UM, LANDSCAPING EQUIPMENT BECAUSE THERE'S A COST OF MAKING THAT SHIFT AND THERE'S TE UM, CATCH UP THAT TECHNOLOGY'S PLAYING. 
          SO, UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT. 
          UM, THIS, THERE'S GONNA BE, UM, AS YOU HEARD AND AS I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GONNA CONTINUE TO BE A LOT OF DEVELOPMENTS IN THIS AREA. 
          UM, AND I THINK IT'S GONNA BE KEY FOR US AS AN ORGANIZATION IF WE'RE REALLY SERIOUS ABOUT, ABOUT, UM, CARBON NEUTRALITY. 
          AND I BELIEVE WE ARE, AND I BELIEVE WE'RE COMPELLED TO BE, UM, TO BE FLEXIBLE AND NOT NECESSARILY FOCUSED ON PARTICULAR IMPLEMENTATIONS AS MUCH AS WE ARE HOW TO GET TO OUR OBJECTIVES, UM, AND THE WAYS FOR WHICH MAY CHANGE. 
          AND THIS MAY BE ONE OF THOSE. 
          SO, UM, WE'VE NOT, UM, I, I DO NOT CONCEDE THAT WE'RE, UM, THAT WE ARE UNABLE TO PROCEED WITH ELECTRIFICATION IN PETALUMA, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW TO BE IN THE BEST, UM, POSITION AS WE CAN OKAY. 
          TO DO THAT. 
          AND WE'LL BE UPDATING THE COUNCIL. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          THAT'S, UH, A LOT OF MOVING PARTS THERE. 
          YES. 
          UM, . 
          YEAH. 
          AND JUST ONE LAST AREA OF QUESTIONS. 
          UM, YOU, YOU MENTIONED, UM, PAID PARKING TO REDUCE DEMAND FOR PARKING. 
          AND DO YOU HAVE A DISPLAY IN ANY PARTICULAR PARTS OF TOWN WHERE YOU WANNA IMPLEMENT THAT? UH, NO. 
          AS WE OUTLINE IN THE BLUEPRINT, THE CITY STAFF WOULD START TO DO, WOULD DO A STUDY OF THAT TO IDENTIFY THE PARTICULAR LOCATIONS WHERE IT WOULD BE IMPLEMENTED FIRST. 
          MAYBE YOU EXPAND OUTTA YOUR DOWNTOWN, RIGHT? THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S A, THAT'S A BIG ACTIVITY CENTER, BUT AGAIN, THOSE WOULD ALL BE WORKED OUT OVER TIME AS YOU, HOW, HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK IT WOULD, YOU'D NEED TO CHARGE PER, IF, SO I GET, I GATHER THE, THE GOAL HERE IS NOT TO RAISE REVENUE FOR THE CITY IS TO REDU REDUCE DEMAND FOR PARKING. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, THERE ARE A LOT OF PROGRAMS THAT HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED, UH, PARKING MANAGEMENT PROGRAMS THAT HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED, THEN USE THOSE REVENUES. 
          THEY EITHER PUT THEM BACK IN THE DISTRICT AS IMPROVEMENTS IN THE LANDSCAPE. 
          THEY'RE LIKE A BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT YOUR POWERPOINT ABOUT REDUCING DEMAND FOR PARKING IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO, OKAY. 
          UM, HOW, HOW MUCH PER HOUR DO YOU THINK YOU WOULD NEED TO CHARGE CARS TO REDUCE DEMAND IN A MEANINGFUL WAY? UM, I THINK THE ANSWER IS WE WOULDN'T KNOW. 
          WE DON'T KNOW AT THAT THIS POINT YET. 
          AND IT WOULD VARY BY TIME OF DAY IN THE LOCATION AND THE PARTICULAR ACTIVITIES. 
          SO IT WOULD BE A TIME OF DAY TYPE OF THING WHERE IT WOULD BE SO MUCH AT NOONTIME AND SOMETHING DIFFERENT AT SEVEN O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, RIGHT? YOU'D HAVE TO DESIGN, YOU'D HAVE TO DESIGN THE POLICY, AND I'M SURE THAT WOULD BE A THING THAT WOULD BE BROUGHT BACK TO YOU THROUGH, UH, . 
          WELL, I HOPE THAT COMES BACK SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. 
          AND BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA LEAVE THAT AMBIGUOUS FOR THE COMMUNITY, I THINK, UH, AS WE'RE ADOPTING A GENERAL PLAN, WE REALLY NEED TO KNOW WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED. 
          AND I, AND I HAVE TO WARN YOU, SOME OF US WHO'VE BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME HAVE SEEN PAID PARKING DOWNTOWN BELLY FLOP IN A VERY EMBARRASSING WAY. 
          UM, THIS IS NOT A COMMUNITY THAT ACCEPTS THAT KIND OF THING EASILY, OR AT LEAST IT HASN'T IN THE PAST. 
          AND, UM, AND I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S ANOTHER GOAL HERE TO HAVE A VIBRANT DOWNTOWN. 
          AND IF YOU IMPLEMENT THAT POLICY WITHOUT HAVING THE OTHER POLICIES IN PLACE, WHICH ARE GONNA BE HARDER AND MORE DIFFICULT AND EXPENSIVE TO ACHIEVE, IF YOU JUST GO AHEAD AND IMPLEMENT PAID PARKING NOW AND WAIT FOR THE OTHER STUFF TO HAPPEN LATER, UM, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MORE EMPTY STOREFRONTS IN DOWNTOWN. 
          EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO SAY THEY WANNA AVOID 
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EMPTY STOREFRONTS DOWNTOWN. 
          SO, UH, IT'S AN AREA WHERE YOU HAVE TO MOVE PRETTY CAREFULLY. 
          SO THAT'S ALL I HAD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER, ZEKE. 
          YEAH, I JUST, I MIGHT HAVE, UH, MISSED SOMETHING, BUT I, I, I, UH, DIDN'T GET THE, UH, UH, ACTION NUMBER 20 THAT WAS OMITTED OR SAID NOT, NOT APPLICABLE. 
          UM, AND I WONDERED WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT. 
          WE MOVED IT UP TO ACTION NUMBER FIVE. 
          I SEE. 
          WILL EVENTUALLY THINGS BE RENUMBERED AFTER THAT OR, YES, WE WERE DOING THAT FOR OUR TRACKING PURPOSES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER OR VICE MAYOR SHRI. 
          UH, FIRST OF QUESTIONS OR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. 
          IT'S REALLY HARD TO FILTER OUT THE COMMENTS. 
          SO IF, UH, THE QUESTION SLASH COMMENT IS CONCISE, IT'S OKAY. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I'LL DO MY BEST ON THAT. 
          UM, 'CAUSE I'M ALSO ON THE, UH, CLIMATE, UH, COMMISSION LIAISON AND, UH, SO I'VE ALREADY SEEN THIS, UH, A COUPLE TIMES AND GIVEN SOME FEEDBACK. 
          UM, THERE'S STILL SOME THINGS THAT ARE MISSING, UM, AND NOT BROUGHT FORWARD. 
          I THINK THAT, THAT ARE GONNA BE CRITICAL. 
          UM, I JUST WENT TO THE, UM, WATERSHED MEETING OF, THAT WAS REGIONAL FOR THE ENTIRE NORTH BAY, AND WE HAD THE, UH, STATE CLIMATE CHANGE MODELERS, UH, SPEAK TO US FROM THE, UH, FROM THE TOP OF THE WATER BOARD, UH, FOR THE WHOLE STATE. 
          AND THEY'RE PREDICTING, UM, MUCH HIGHER TEMPERATURES AND, UH, SUPPLY ISSUES AS WELL AS, UH, FOOT FLOOD AND DROUGHT ISSUES, EVEN MORE THAN WHAT ARE, WHAT'S IN OUR PLAN, WHAT WE'VE EVEN SAID. 
          SO A LOT MORE WORK'S PROBABLY NEED TO BE DONE IN THOSE AREAS. 
          UM, UH, WATER WAS ONLY SLIGHTLY MENTIONED, UM, SO FAR IN THE BLUEPRINT HERE AND THERE. 
          UM, BUT FROM THE STATE POINT OF VIEW, THEY'RE REALLY GOING AFTER, UM, INCREASING GROUNDWATER USE TREMENDOUSLY. 
          THEY'RE GOING AFTER, UM, INCREASING SUPPLY, WATER RETENTION BASINS, WHEREVER THEY CAN. 
          THEY'RE DOING, UH, EVEN WATER REUSE, UM, FROM THE, UM, UM, SO IF WE HAVE RECYCLED WATER, THAT CAN EVEN BECOME POTABLE NOW WITH TECHNOLOGY. 
          SO, AND THESE ARE ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL FOR OUR WATER SUPPLY, AND THAT'S OUR NUMBER ONE NEED, UM, GOING DOWN THE ROAD, UH, ABOVE AND BEYOND EVERYTHING, WE NEED PROPER WATER IN AND PROPER WATER OUT. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO SEE ALL THE WATER, UM, UPGRADED, UH, COMMENTS, UH, OR, OR THINGS, THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO ENHANCE BOTH WATER IN AND OUT OF OUR CITY ENTIRELY, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, ADAPTING FOR, UM, DROUGHT AND FLOOD. 
          SO I THINK THOSE NEED TO BE RAISED UP TO A HIGHER LEVEL THAN, THAN WHAT'S, SO WHAT'S IN THE CURRENT BLUEPRINT. 
          UM, THEN THERE WAS, UH, OTHER CONCERNS I HAD ABOUT, UH, UM, SOME OF THE REALITIES I THINK, UH, COUNCILMAN HEALY WAS, WAS MENTIONING SOME OF THE, UH, SOME CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, COMMUNITY ACCEPTANCE. 
          AND SO WE'RE, I THINK WE'RE GONNA RUN INTO A HUGE COMMUNITY ACCEPTANCE ISSUE ON THINGS. 
          SO, PARTICULARLY ON, UM, BECAUSE THE CITY ITSELF IS GONNA BE A LEADERSHIP, AND I THINK WE NEED TO DO THAT. 
          UM, I'M ALL FOR TAKING ALL THE ACTIONS THAT WE CAN, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE, UH, WHEN YOU DEMONSTRATED THAT CONSUMPTION, UM, IS A LARGER ITEM AND, UH, FOR CARBON FOOTPRINT, 'CAUSE WE HAVE TO ILLUSTRATE THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN EMISSIONS AND CARBON FOOTPRINT. 
          UM, AND I THINK THAT WAS NOT ILLUSTRATED ENOUGH SO FAR OF WHAT I'VE SEEN IN THE BLUEPRINT THAT OUR CARBON FOOTPRINT, AND THAT'S WHERE CONSUMPTION REALLY HAS EVEN A BIGGER IMPACT AS YOU WERE SHOWING IN YOUR SLIDE. 
          BUT I DON'T THINK PEOPLE STILL REALIZE THAT AND HOW TO MODIFY THAT. 
          AND THEN IN THE OTHER ONE IS YOUR TRANSPORT, I THINK YOUR ESTIMATING TRANSPORT WITHIN CITY LIMITS. 
          SO FAR, THE NUMBERS I'VE SEEN AND WHAT YOU'VE DONE, SO, UM, AND TRANSPORT BETWEEN CITIES, UM, IS EVEN, I THINK AS BIG OR BIGGER THAN TRANSPORT WITHIN THE CITY. 
          SO, UH, WE NEED TO REALLY ADDRESS THAT, UH, AS A MORE POSITIVE WAY ALSO THAN, THAN WHAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE BLUEPRINT. 
          THEN, UM, THEN OTHER THINGS A LOT OF FOLKS HAVE SUGGESTED ABOUT THE ECONOMY, UM, AND HOW THESE ACTIONS, WHETHER WE SHOULD PUT MORE DOLLARS AND EFFORT INTO ADAPTATION RATHER THAN, UM, REDUCTION OF EMISSIONS. 
          AND, UH, I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THAT BALANCE. 
          SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT THOSE ADAPTATIONS ALSO A LITTLE BIT STRONGER THEN. 
          UM, AND I THINK ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS WE BROUGHT FORWARD WAS ON THE, UH, THE MODE SHIFT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 50% MODE SHIFT BY THE YEAR 2030. 
          I THINK OUR CURRENT CARS CURRENTLY ON THE ROAD TODAY, UM, I KNOW ARE LASTING A LOT LONGER. 
          AND SO WE'RE STILL GONNA HAVE, UM, THE CARS RUNNING THAT ARE ON THE ROADS TODAY ARE STILL GONNA BE RUNNING IN 2030, AT LEAST 75% OF THEM. 
          SO THAT'S A HUGE ASK OF OUR COMMUNITY AND A HUGE BEHAVIOR SHIFT THAT WE NEED TO SUPPORT. 
          SO I, I'M, I GET CONCERNED ABOUT THE REALISM ON THAT 
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AND, AND, AND ALSO GETTING OUR COMMUNITY SUPPORT, REALIZING HOW DRAMATIC WE ARE, UM, GOING TO BE ASKING THEM TO DO CHANGES. 
          SO, UM, THE, HOW, HOW TO GET THE COMMUNITY BUY-IN TO DO THAT TYPE OF CHANGE, THAT LEVEL OF CHANGE, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THE RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          YES, WE WANT TO GO THIS DIRECTION, BUT WHAT I'M NOT SEEING IS THE HOW AND HOW TO GET OUR PUBLIC ON BOARD WITH ALL THESE ACTIONS. 
          THIS IS PRETTY IDEALISTIC WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. 
          AND SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE, UM, IDEALISM VERSUS THE PRACTICALITY ON A LOT OF THESE, UH, THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ASKING FOR. 
          WE CAN TAKE ALL THESE ACTIONS. 
          SO I'M, I'M MISSING THOSE THINGS. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO SEE A LOT MORE, UM, DISCUSSION ON, UM, THE HOW-TOS AND THE BUY-INS, UM, AND THE COSTS, BECAUSE I THINK, UM, IN GENERALLY I'M, I'M STILL SEEING A LOT OF IDEALISM AND, UM, WHICH I ALL AGREE WITH. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO GO THERE. 
          AND YOU'RE SHOWING THAT EVEN WITH IDEALISM, YES, WE CAN GET, UM, WE STILL CAN'T GET THERE EVEN GOING OVERBOARD. 
          WE STILL CAN'T GET THERE. 
          SO THIS IS WHERE I'M, I'M REALLY CONCERNED, SO I NEED TO, WOULD LIKE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT. 
          AND, UM, I THINK THE, THE CORNERSTONES WE'RE, WE'RE GOING THE RIGHT DIRECTION. 
          UM, UH, AND I THINK AS, AS COUNCILMAN HEALY SAID, THE ELECTRIFICATION DEPENDENCE ON PG E, UM, HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET THEM TO DO WHAT THEY REALLY DON'T WANNA DO OR, OR HAVE TROUBLE DOING? SO HOW TO DO THAT, OR THOSE ARE THE THINGS. 
          SO THOSE ARE SORT OF LIKE COMMENTS SORT OF QUESTIONS AS TO WHERE ARE WE ON, ON THOSE THINGS WITHIN THE, THE BLUEPRINT AND THOSE ACTIONS. 
          I, I KNOW YOU WROTE A LOT OF STUFF DOWN OF THINGS I WAS TALKING ABOUT, SO I'D JUST LIKE TO HEAR SOME RESPONSES. 
          UM, I CAN GO THROUGH A COUPLE OF POINTS, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, AND THANKS FOR THOSE COMMENTS. 
          UM, ON THE CONSUMPTIVE CONSUMPTION BASED EMISSIONS, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, UH, A FAIR AMOUNT AT THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION IN PARTICULAR. 
          UM, WE, UH, GENERALLY FOCUSED ON THE SECTOR BASED OR THE COMMUNITY-WIDE EMISSIONS IN THE WORK THAT WE WERE DOING, BECAUSE THAT'S THE AREA THAT THE CITY OF PETALUMA HAS THE MOST INFLUENCE OVER. 
          BUT INCLUDED A NUMBER OF PLAN, UH, AN ACTION PLAN AND A SERIES OF IMPLEMENTATION STEPS FOR THE CITY TO DO EDUCATION, COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIPS AROUND THOSE TYPES OF EMISSIONS, TO REALLY TO GET PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY BUY A BOX FROM AMAZON AND THEIR SWEATSHIRT COMES FROM VIETNAM, RIGHT? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IN TERMS OF EMISSIONS OVERALL? BUT REALLY STARTING TO UNDERSTAND AND EDUCATE PEOPLE ON THOSE SO THAT PEOPLE MAKE DIFFERENT DECISIONS IN THEIR DAILY LIVES. 
          UM, SO THERE'S A WHOLE SET OF ACTIONS RELATED TO, UH, COMMUNITY-WIDE EDUCATION PARTNERSHIPS WITH, UM, BOTH ORGANIZATIONS LOCALLY WITHIN PETALUMA, UH, BUT ALSO KIND OF NONPROFITS LIKE COOL PETALUMA, UM, THOSE KIND OF NEIGHBORHOOD BASED GROUPS, BUT THEN ALSO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, UH, AND OTHERS OUTSIDE OF THAT. 
          OVERALL TRANSPORTATION IS EVERYONE'S HARDEST THING TO WORK ON AS PART OF CLIMATE ACTION PLANNING. 
          IT'S ABOUT TWO THIRDS, 50% TO 75% OF JUST ABOUT EVERYBODY'S GREENHOUSE GAS INVENTORY AT, AT THIS POINT, ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE ACCESS TO CLEAN POWER FROM YOUR, UH, IN THIS CASE, SONOMA CLEAN POWER, UM, THAT'S GONNA BE YOUR BIGGEST CHALLENGE. 
          IT CAN BE THE ELECTRIFICATION OF FLEET THAT REQUIRES PEOPLE TO PURCHASE NEW ELECTRIC VEHICLES, THAT IT REQUIRES CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE AT HOMES OR AT PLACES OF WORK IN PARTICULAR WHERE PEOPLE ARE MOST LIKELY TO CHARGE. 
          AND SO THE ACTION PLANS TOUCH ON THOSE INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES. 
          WE DON'T, UM, IN PARTICULAR. 
          AND THEN MODE SPLIT IS, AGAIN, IT'S ANOTHER ONE, IT'S ANOTHER SET OF ACTIONS WHERE YOU ARE WORKING COLLABORATIVELY WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO EDUCATE, PROVIDE COMMUNITY AWARENESS AROUND THOSE ISSUES. 
          BUT THEN YOU AS A CITY ARE WORKING TO IMPLEMENT YOUR COMPLETE STREETS PROGRAMS, REDUCE, UH, SPEED LIMITS ON STREETS IN ORDER TO MAKE PEOPLE FEEL SAFE AND COMFORTABLE MOVING THROUGH THOSE ENVIRONMENTS. 
          OVERALL, YOU ADD, YOU HAVE TO LAYER ON WITH THAT TRANSPORTATION, DEMAND MANAGEMENT AND PARKING POLICIES. 
          ALL OF THESE THINGS WORK TOGETHER. 
          IT'S AN ALL IN APPROACH ON THE TRANSPORTATION SECTOR. 
          AND IN THREE OR FOUR YEARS, YOU'RE GOING TO, AS YOU DO THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE BLUEPRINT, YOU'RE GONNA FIND OUT WHAT WORKS AND WHAT'S NOT WORKING FOR THIS COMMUNITY. 
          RIGHT? THERE'S A LOT OF IDEAS IN HERE. 
          YOU'RE GONNA, YOUR STAFF WILL BE OPPORTUNISTIC ABOUT GRANTS AND FUNDING, BUT ULTIMATELY THERE ARE A LOT OF UNKNOWNS AS YOU GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS. 
          AND YOU'RE GONNA BE LEARNING AND UPDATING AND REVISING AS YOU GO TO, TO BEST MEET THE NEEDS OF, OF THIS COMMUNITY AND ALL OF THE TECHNOLOGICAL POLICY AND REGULATORY CHANGES THAT ARE HAPPENING RAPIDLY ALL IN THIS SPACE OVERALL. 
          SO THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE THINK ABOUT. 
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WE SET THIS PLAN OUT, BUT IN TWO YEARS YOU'RE EVALUATING IT. 
          THREE YEARS, YOU'RE EVALUATING WHAT'S WORKING AND WHAT'S NOT WORKING OVERALL. 
          UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, I THINK ANSWERS TO A FEW OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU RAISED. 
          I'M NOT SURE IF I GOT TO ALL OF THEM, BUT THAT'S KIND OF HOW I, THIS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          UM, THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          UM, ONE OF THE GENERAL PLAN REPORTS TALKED ABOUT 18,000 TRIPS COMING INTO PETALUMA EACH DAY, AND LIKE 22 GOING, LEAVING, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH CONTROL WE HAVE OVER THE 22,000, BUT THERE'S SOME PORTION OF THOSE 18,000 THAT ARE TIED TO NOT BEING ABLE TO AFFORD HOUSING HERE. 
          UM, BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING ABOUT HOUSING, UM, AS A STRATEGY. 
          SO I'M JUST WONDERING, ARE, ARE WE INCLUDING THOSE HOWEVER MANY THOUSAND PEOPLE THAT CAN'T AFFORD HOUSING HERE? ARE THOSE CAPTURED IN AS PART OF OUR GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS? YEAH, SO THE, THE GREAT QUESTION, SO THE WAY THAT GREENHOUSE GAS INVENTORIES, UH, CAPTURE TRANSPORTATION IS YOUR INVENTORY INCLUDES ALL OF THE VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED WITHIN THE CITY OF PETALUMA, AND THEN IT ACCOUNTS FOR HALF OF THE TRIPS THAT GO, SAY FROM PETALUMA TO SAY RICHMOND, UH, YOU, YOUR PIE, YOU GET HALF OF THAT, AND RICHMOND GETS THE OTHER HALF OF THAT. 
          AND SO RICHMOND IS RESPONSIBLE FOR HALF AND PETALUMA IS RESPONSIBLE FOR HALF. 
          SO THAT'S HOW THE ACCOUNTING WORKS ON THE, UH, GREENHOUSE GAS INVENTORY SIDE. 
          SO, UM, THAT WAY YOU, YOUR ACTIONS WILL INFLUENCE THOSE EMISSIONS OVERALL. 
          SO TRIPS OUTSIDE DO COUNT TOWARDS YOUR, UH, VMT. 
          UM, THERE IS AN ACTION PLAN IN THE TRANSPORTATION AND LAND USE THAT FOCUSES ON LOCATION EFFICIENT, UH, DEVELOPMENT, REALLY FOCUSED ON BUILDING HOUSING AND JOBS IN THOSE PLACES, IN THOSE 15 MINUTE CENTERS THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT LATER ON THIS EVENING, REALLY TO KIND OF DENSIFY AND PUT PUT DEVELOPMENT WHERE YOU WANT IT TO REALLY HELP PEOPLE TAKE SHORT TRIPS BY NON-AUTO MODES, PUT THEM IN PLACES WHERE IT'S EASY TO ACCESS PETALUMA TRANSIT, SMART TRANSIT, UM, AND SO FORTH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, APPRECIATE THAT RESPONSE. 
          UM, THERE'S OTHERS THAT ARE IN THERE, UM, LIKE IT SAYS, IMPROVE TRANSIT, AND I'M WONDERING IF WE'VE DONE ANY ANALYSIS ON IF WE NEED TO ADD ROUTES, HOW MANY RIDERS DO WE NEED TO HAVE TO PROVIDE HIGH QUALITY TRANSIT WITH, WITH FAST HEADWAYS, UM, AND WHAT THAT MEANS FROM A LAND USE STANDPOINT. 
          UM, AND I'LL ASK THAT QUESTION AND THEN I'LL GO LIKE LAYER IN MY COMMENTS AFTER. 
          I GUESS. 
          UH, THAT'S ANOTHER GREAT QUESTION. 
          SO THE CITY IS DOING A SHORT RANGE TRANSIT PLAN, AND THE SHORT RANGE TRANSIT PLAN IS THE PLAN THAT THE AGENCY ITSELF WILL USE TO LOOK AT SERVICE LEVELS, ROUTES, LOCATIONS, IN THE, IN THE FUTURE. 
          SO THIS PLAN ITSELF DOESN'T IDENTIFY THOSE CER SERVICES OR FREQUENCIES OF THOSE TRANSIT ROUTES. 
          IT LEAVES IT REALLY TO THE PETALUMA TRANSIT TO, TO DO THAT WORK. 
          HAVE, WE JUST LOOKED AT OUR EXISTING ROUTES AND SAID LIKE, HOW MANY RIDERS WOULD WE NEED TO ADD TO OUR EXISTING ROUTES TO BE ABLE TO GET HEADWAYS DOWN TO 15 MINUTES OR 10 MINUTES, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, TO WHERE IT'S CONVENIENT ENOUGH TO EXPECT PEOPLE TO, TO, TO PRESUMABLY, YOU KNOW, NOT USE THEIR CAR AND TO USE TRANSIT. 
          UM, WE DID NOT DO THAT ANALYSIS AS PART OF THIS PLANNING. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, COUNCIL MEMBER, IF I COULD JUST CHIME IN. 
          UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE OUR TRANSIT MANAGER, BUT I, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE GETTING TO IS, IS THERE, IS THERE A MAGIC NUMBER? WHAT'S THAT TIPPING POINT TO, UM, TO MAKE IT EASIER? AND SO MAYBE I'LL JUST RESPOND WITH A, UM, RATHER THAN A, UM, QUANTITATIVE, A QUALITATIVE, RIGHT? IF WE CAN MAKE TRANSIT ACCESSIBLE, RIGHT? WE'RE GONNA PILOT, UM, FREE FOR ALL, UM, RIDERS. 
          UM, AND, AND THROUGH THAT ENCOURAGEMENT, IF WE CAN MAKE IT THE EASIER CHOICE, THE HEALTHIER CHOICE. 
          UM, AND YOU KNOW, THEREBY, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, A GROWING NUMBER OF OUR POPULATION CAN START USING TO GET TO, UM, THEIR DAILY NEEDS. 
          WHETHER IT'S, UH, WORK PLAY, UM, GOING TO A FRIEND'S HOUSE, UM, THAT'S GONNA BE WHAT IT TAKES, RIGHT TO START TO SEE THE MODE SHIFT, UM, AND TO GET PEOPLE, UM, TO START THINKING DIFFERENTLY ON HOW THEY MOVE, MOVE AROUND OUR CITY. 
          UM, 
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OKAY. 
          NOW FOR MY, MY COMMENT IS THE, WHAT I FEEL LIKE IS JUST OVERALL MISSING FROM THE BLUEPRINT IS LIKE METRICS AND TARGETS. 
          UM, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO REALLY CARE ABOUT CLIMATE ACTION AND THEY THINK THAT THE KEY TO CLIMATE ACTION IS PLANTING MORE TREES. 
          AND THAT'S NOT GONNA REDUCE OUR TRANSPORTATION GHGS. 
          AND WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA ADOPT THIS BLUEPRINT, AND THERE'S GONNA BE A BIG CELEBRATION FROM ALL THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO SEE THE CITY TAKING CLIMATE ACTION. 
          AND THERE'S LIKE A SPOONFUL OF MEDICINE THAT NEEDS TO LIKE, UM, GET WITH THAT SUGAR AND THAT IS THE TARGETS, BECAUSE THEN THERE'S GONNA BE A SERIES OF POLICIES AND PROGRAMS THAT TIER OFF OF THIS, UM, LIKE TDM POLICIES, OUR ZONING CODE, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND WE NEED THOSE TARGETS AND THOSE METRICS TO BE BAKED INTO THIS PLAN SO THAT WE CAN HUNKER BACK ON IT AND LEAN BACK ON IT AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT CLIMATE ACTION LOOKS LIKE. 
          THIS IS WHAT A CARBON NEUTRAL CITY, THIS IS WHAT LEADERSHIP LOOKS LIKE ON CLIMATE ACTION. 
          UM, OTHERWISE IT'S GONNA FEEL THEY'RE GONNA FEEL DISCONNECTED. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE WE REALLY NEED YOU TO START, LIKE LEADING US DOWN THAT PATH WITH THIS DOCUMENT SO THAT WHEN WE DO ADOPT IT, IT LINKS TO THE NEXT SET OF POLICIES AND PROGRAMS THAT IT'S GONNA INFORM. 
          'CAUSE THOSE ARE GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANTLY HARDER. 
          AND IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE SERIOUS ABOUT CLIMATE ACTION, UM, WHICH I KNOW WE ARE, UM, CERTAINLY SOME OF US, UM, THERE'S, WE NEED TO, UM, TO HAVE THOSE IN THERE. 
          UM, AND THEN I'LL JUST SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SIMPLEST THING THAT OUR COUNCIL CAN DO IS, UM, CONTINUE TO MAKE SMART CHOICES THAT, UM, PROMOTE ALTERNATIVE FORMS OF TRANSPORTATION. 
          AND, UM, THAT IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE NEED TO DO. 
          AND, UM, I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY THAT, YOU KNOW, FOCUSING ON PAID PARKING, CONTINUING TO PUT THAT IN THERE. 
          LIKE THAT'S, THAT'S ONE THING, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT THE MAGIC BULLET. 
          IT'S, UM, IT'S, UH, , IT'S, UH, IT'S, IT'S HONESTLY JUST A GLA IT'S LIKE THE, THE THING THAT PEOPLE WILL LOOK AT, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S PART OF A LARGER SCHEME. 
          UM, AND THAT JUST FEELS LIKE IT'S, IT'S JUST SORT OF DROPPED IN THERE, UM, WITHOUT A LOT MORE, UH, YOU KNOW, HEART TO THE REST OF THE DOCUMENT ON, ON TRANSPORTATION IN PARTICULAR. 
          AND JUST A LOT MORE CONTENT AROUND THE INTERSECTION OF LAND USE AND TRANSPORTATION AND HOUSING. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER PER NOW. 
          UM, THANK YOU FOR THIS. 
          UM, I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT, UM, OUR AGING POPULATION AND WE CAN'T IGNORE THAT. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW EXACT STATISTICS OF WHAT OUR POPULATION'S GONNA LOOK LIKE DURING THE NEXT 25 YEARS, BUT IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN'T IGNORE. 
          AND THIS IS OUR ACTIVE COMMUNITY, UM, ACTING AGING COMMUNITY THAT'S NOT GONNA WANNA GET AWAY FROM THEIR VEHICLES BECAUSE IT'S A SHOW OF THEIR INDEPENDENCE. 
          MY 86-YEAR-OLD PARENTS DRIVE, UM, THEY, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE TAKING ELECTRIC SCOOTERS OR BIKES AROUND TOWN. 
          THEY'RE GONNA BE DRIVING THEIR VEHICLES AND THEY'RE PROBABLY 15 YEARS OLD ALREADY. 
          THE VEHICLES, THEY DON'T REPLACE VEHICLES, SO THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE GETTING ELECTRIC VEHICLES. 
          THEY'RE WANTING THAT INDEPENDENCE. 
          THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO BE PART OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          THEY WANNA BE ABLE TO GO TO MORE MEDICAL SERVICES AND, UM, APPOINTMENTS WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. 
          THEY WANT THAT INDEPENDENCE. 
          HAVE WE LOOKED AT THOSE NUMBERS FOR OUR POPULATION? THAT'S AGING, BUT, BUT STAYING IN OUR COMMUNITY, UM, AS PART OF THE BLUEPRINT PROCESS, WE DIDN'T, UH, SPECIFICALLY EVALUATE THE DEMOGRAPHIC CONDITIONS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY AND HOW THEY'RE CHANGING. 
          BUT I BELIEVE THE GENERAL PLAN DID AS PART OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS, STUDIES AND ANALYSIS, AND THAT WAS PUBLISHED AND IT'S PUBLISHED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT, THAT IS ACCURATE. 
          UM, SO WE DID DO THAT AS PART OF THE DEMOGRAPHICS AND WHERE ARE WE AND WHO ARE WE? AND YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW OUR POPULATION IS MADE UP AS PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          UM, AND IT'S ALSO, I MEAN, TO YOUR POINT, AND I KNOW YOU WERE SAYING SPECIFICALLY NOT WANTING TO USE TRANSIT, BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT DIFFERENT TYPES OF TRANSIT. 
          YOU KNOW, WHEN WE START LOOKING AT OUR, OUR MICRO TRANSIT, YOU 
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KNOW, WHERE IT'S A LITTLE MORE, IT'S, IT'S ON DEMAND. 
          IT'S GETTING YOU FROM POINT A TO POINT B AND IDEAS TO DO THAT. 
          TRYING TO CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR, UM, IDEAS THAT SERVE EVERYBODY'S NEEDS, NOT JUST ONE, ONE SIZE FITS ALL. 
          SO, UM, STARTING TO LOOK AT THAT AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S ALL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, MY QUESTIONS, I KIND OF GO MORE TOWARDS, UM, THE PRIORITIES. 
          I MEAN, RIGHT NOW WE PUT EVERYTHING IN THE BAG AND, AND, UM, IT LIKELY EXCEEDS OUR CAPACITY TO ACHIEVE. 
          AND, AND THAT REALLY WORRIES ME. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE PUT IN THE BAG IS WHAT WE EXISTENTIALLY NEED TO DO. 
          SO HOW DO WE DROP THINGS OUT? WELL, WE DON'T HAVE RESOURCES AND RESOURCES OR BOTH FUNDING AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC PROCESS AND STAFFING TO ACHIEVE CHANGE, CHANGE IS HARD. 
          UM, SO I'M TRYING TO LOOK AT WHERE THE MATRIX IS OF WHAT WILL GET DONE AND WHAT WILL HAVE THE BEST BENEFIT. 
          AND SO I'M WONDERING IF YOU HAVE A RANKING OR LIKE, CAN YOU SAY, IF I HAVE $1 MILLION, I WOULD DO THIS. 
          AND IF I HAVE 10, I WOULD DO THIS AND I'VE HAD A HUNDRED, I WOULD DO THIS. 
          IS THERE, IS THERE A RESOURCE CONSTRAINT MATRIX POSSIBLE? WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT RAMEY DID DO WAS LOOKED AT THE BIGGEST, LIKE THE BIGGEST BANG FOR YOUR BUCK IN TERMS OF EMISSION REDUCTION, BUT ALSO COST. 
          SO THERE IS, UH, I, I DON'T, I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT PAGE IT'S ON OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT IT LOOKED AT, UM, YOU KNOW, HERE, HERE ARE THE TOP THINGS THAT ARE GONNA REALLY REDUCE AND HERE ARE THE MOST EXPENSIVE THINGS, OR THE LEAST EXPENSIVE THING. 
          SO OBVIOUSLY GREAT FOR US TO BE LOOKING AT WHERE THAT OVERLAPS, RIGHT? WHERE WE DO HAVE THE RESOURCES, WE DO HAVE THE MONEY, UM, AND WE GET A BIG BANG FOR OUR BUCK. 
          THE THING WITH THE, THE FOUNDATIONAL, THE, UM, CORNERSTONE ACTIONS WHERE SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE KIND OF NEED TO BE ABLE TO BUILD ON TOP OF, IF WE DON'T HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FOCUS IN THE CITY IN TERMS OF THE TRAINING AND THE CULTURE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A HARDER TIME IMPLEMENTING THE POLICY. 
          SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE HEARD FROM THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION, IS THAT LIKE TRAINING AND THE, AND THE, UM, FOCUS ACROSS ALL DEPARTMENTS, UM, TO KEEP OUR EYE ON THAT PRIZE. 
          SO THAT'S FOUNDATIONAL. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING I'D SAY IS, AND WE RECOGNIZE THIS, THAT THIS IS A LOT, THERE IS A LOT IN HERE, AND THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA DO ALL THIS IN, YOU KNOW, THIS YEAR WE'RE GONNA DO ALL OF THIS, AND THAT YEAR WE'RE GONNA DO ALL OF THAT. 
          WE HAVE TO REMAIN FLEXIBLE BECAUSE THINGS ARE CHANGING SO QUICKLY. 
          SO THIS IS GONNA NEED TO BE INTEGRATED INTO OUR CONVERSATIONS ABOUT CITY PRIORITIES. 
          IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE INTEGRATED INTO OUR CONVERSATIONS ABOUT CITY BUDGET. 
          AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REMAIN FLEXIBLE WHEN SOMETHING WE THOUGHT WE MIGHT BE DOING IN YEAR FOUR. 
          AND A, A GRANT FUND BECAME AVAILABLE TO BE ABLE TO PIVOT AND SAY, WELL, MAYBE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE YEAR FOUR, BUT LOOK, HERE'S, HERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY. 
          HERE'S A FUNDING SOURCE, HERE'S A, YOU KNOW, PARTNERSHIP, WHATEVER IT IS TO REMAIN FLEXIBLE. 
          SO I THINK, UH, YOUR QUESTION, MA, A LITTLE IS WE GOTTA KEEP COMING BACK TO THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND PRIORITIZING FOR THE SHORT TERM, UM, EACH YEAR WITH OUR BUDGET, WITH OUR STAFFING RESOURCES, WITH OUR CITY PRIORITIES. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          I, UM, REALLY APPRECIATE THE CORNERSTONE ACTIONS ARE BROKEN INTO TYPES OF CATEGORIES. 
          THE MUNICIPAL, YOU KNOW, FOUNDATIONAL AND THE TRANSPORTATION LATER AND SEPARATE. 
          UM, I MEAN, THERE'S SO MANY WAYS TO LOOK AT THIS. 
          UM, LIKE TRANSIT IS 18% OF CITY EMISSIONS AND IS A VERY LOW RIDERSHIP. 
          SO IF WE GET ELECTRIFICATION OF BUSES AND SOMEBODY ELSE PAYS FOR IT, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD THING. 
          REALLY KNOCKS THE REDUCTIONS DOWN. 
          BUT IF WE DON'T GET ANYBODY WRITING IT, IS IT THE BEST PLACE TO PUT THE STAFF, THE LIMITED STAFFING RESOURCE WE HAVE INTO ACHIEVING THAT? SO EVEN THE FREE STUFF, WE HAVE TO HAVE THE CHANGE IN MODE. 
          'CAUSE, YOU KNOW, PUTTING PEOPLE ON THE BUS IS WHAT REDUCES THE PUBLIC'S GHG. 
          UM, SO, UM, LOOKING AT THAT AND, AND, UH, ALSO NOTING THAT, UH, THE CITY IS BEING CREDITED WITH GHG CONTRIBUTION FROM ITS, UH, COMMUTE, EMPLOYEE COMMUTE. 
          UM, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD BE A HUGE STRONG LEADING PLACE TO INVEST IN. 
          I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, IS HOW MUCH MONEY ARE WE EXPECTING THIS TO BE IN EACH, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH AVAILABLE 
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FUNDING DO WE HAVE FOR CITY RESOURCE OVER THE NEXT TWO, THREE YEARS? A SHORT RANGE WINDOW? GRANTED, THERE'S OUTSIDE MONEY, THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD GRANT MONEY RIGHT NOW, AND WE'RE USING STAFF RESOURCE TO FIND THE GRANT MONEY. 
          BUT, UM, BUT WHAT DO WE EXPECT THIS TO BE AS A, UM, AN ECONOMIC, UH, HIT ON THE CITY RIGHT NOW? AND AND HAVE WE GOTTEN THAT FAR? I DON'T THINK WE'VE GOTTEN THAT FAR. 
          . 
          I MEAN, UH, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO, AS WE IMPLEMENT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE LOOKING AND TAKING, YOU KNOW, DIVING A LITTLE BIT DEEPER. 
          WE HAVE, I THINK THAT, UM, ACTION PLANS WHERE LIKE $1 SIGN, A $3 SIGN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO GIVE YOU A, A SENSE OF THE COSTS OF THEM. 
          UM, BUT I DON'T THINK WE, YOU KNOW, I THINK, UM, THAT WAS ONE OF THE CORNERSTONE ACTIONS ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, UH, ESTABLISHING PROTOCOLS TO DETERMINE THE COST BENEFIT, UM, OF, OF THE ACTIONS. 
          SO WE UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THE COST BENEFIT OF THESE ACTION? WHAT IS THE, YOU KNOW, HOW TO HELP US MAKE THOSE DECISIONS ON WHAT DO WE DO FIRST? HOW, WHAT DO WE, WHAT DO WE DO IN YEAR ONE VERSUS YEAR THREE, AND HOW FAST AND WHAT ARE OUR RESOURCES? YEAH, I THINK THERE'S A TREMENDOUS STORY TO BE TOLD AND COMMUNICATED TO THE PUBLIC E EVEN AT THE BEGINNINGS OF ACTIONS. 
          UM, W YOU KNOW, CLIMATE LEADERSHIP IS ONE THING, BUT OUT OVER YOUR SKIS IS ANOTHER THING. 
          AND WE NEED TO BRING THE PUBLIC ALONG. 
          I WOULD PUT THE ACTIONS OF COMMUNICATING TO THE PUBLIC, UM, A MUCH HIGHER THE CONSEQUENCES WHEN WE HAVE ONLY 2% OF PEOPLE IN EVERGREEN PROGRAM RIGHT NOW. 
          AND, AND REALLY, UM, WE COULD BE SO MUCH HIGHER WHEN WE ONLY HAVE, UH, EIGHT AND A HALF PERCENT PEOPLE WITH SOLAR INSTALLATIONS IN TOWN. 
          UM, WHEN WE, UM, WHEN WE HAVE MORE THAN HALF OF THE PEOPLE IN TOWN HAVE THE MIDDLE SIZE TRASH CAN, INSTEAD OF REDUCING CONSUMPTIVE BEHAVIOR AND, AND GETTING INTO THE SMALLEST CAN, UM, WHEN THE WEIGHT OF THE BLUE CARTS INCREASES EVERY YEAR, I THINK IT PROVES WITH THE COMMUNICATION AND CONNECTION WITH THE PUBLIC, IT, UH, HAS TO BE THE TOP OF THE LIST. 
          AND, AND THAT'S WHERE I WOULD LOVE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, MORE COMMUNICATION. 
          UM, I DO KNOW THAT IN TERMS OF, UM, GETTING, UM, ELDERLY PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR CAR AND WHATNOT, UM, MY MESSAGING IS, UM, IF YOU CAN BE NICE TO PEOPLE WHO WILL GET OUTTA THEIR CAR, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET OUTTA YOUR CAR THIS YEAR. 
          YOU KNOW, IF YOU CAN, IF YOU CAN SUPPORT A BIKE LANE ON A STREET, THERE'S, UM, THERE'S, THERE'S ROOM FOR US TO GET TO 50% OF TRIPS WITHOUT EVERYBODY DOING EVERY TRIP, BUT SOMEBODY HAS TO DO SO SOME TRIP. 
          UM, THAT'S PROBABLY THE END OF MY QUESTIONS THERE. 
          AND, UM, WHO, THERE WAS ANOTHER QUESTION UP HERE. 
          UH, COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY JUST WANNA TALK, UM, WELL, I'M JUST TALKING START FROM THIS END, JANICE. 
          YEAH, I'M JUST TALKING MORE REGIONAL. 
          UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, SO MANY PEOPLE COME IN AND THEN SO MANY PEOPLE LEAVE. 
          AND WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT LIKE SMART, OUR TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM AND THE IMPORTANCE FOR, YOU KNOW, INTEGRATING TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN PEOPLE USE SMART, THAT THEY CAN GET TO WHERE THEY NEED. 
          BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, WITH HIGHWAY 37 CLOSED AND SIX 80 WAS CLOSED, AND YOU JUST REALLY SEE THE IMPORTANCE OF OF, OF, UM, TRAIN TRANSPORTATION AND, YOU KNOW, AND SMART, AND YOU'RE BRINGING ALL THOSE PEOPLE IN. 
          AND THAT INTEGRATION, IT JUST SEEMS THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GONNA GET A BIG BANG FOR YOUR BUCK. 
          BUT OF COURSE, THAT'S BILLIONS OF DOLLARS, BUT YOU'RE SHARING WITH WHAT NINE OTHER, YOU KNOW, REGIONS IN THIS AREA. 
          AND, UM, IT JUST SEEMS TRANSPORTATION SEEMS TO BE THE BIGGEST PROBLEM. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND, YOU KNOW, AND I APPRECIATE WHAT, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER NOW SAID, AND AS I SEE, UM, CHIEF MILLER IN THE AUDIENCE, I CALLED, UH, THE POLICE ON MY DAD FOR DRIVING. 
          AND OFFICER MILLER AT THE TIME KNOCKED ON HIS DOOR. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS QUITE A FEW YEARS AGO. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, AND I'M REALLY THINKING ABOUT HOW DO YOU GET, UM, SENIORS OUT OF THEIR CARS, UM, FOR SAFETY REASONS ALSO. 
          AND THAT REALLY IS THE INTEGRATION OF OUR TRANSIT SYSTEM, AND NOT JUST THE LARGE BUSES, BUT THE MICRO BUSES AND REALLY GOING IN THAT DIRECTION. 
          SO YOU'RE EDUCATING, UM, PEOPLE, UM, HOW TO UTILIZE THOSE SERVICES. 
          BUT YOU REALLY LOOK AT THE, JUST THE REGIONAL, UM, PROBLEM OF HOW MANY PEOPLE COME IN AND HOW MANY COME OUT AND HOW DO YOU ADDRESS THAT. 
          UM, AND IT JUST SEEMS AS THOUGH, YOU KNOW, IF WE COULD GO UP, YOU KNOW, THE QUARTER TO SACRAMENTO, THAT WOULD MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S A LOT OF MONEY. 
          SO THIS IS, APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION 
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AND JUST HEARING, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS BECAUSE IT ALL KIND OF TIES TOGETHER AND, AND, UM, AND WE DO HAVE TO BE REALISTIC, AND I APPRECIATE LIKE EVERY FEW YEARS REALLY COMING BACK AND AUGMENTING THE PLAN. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER I SEE CARBON NEUTRALITY BY 2030, I JUST, UM, KIND OF CROSS MY EYES AND FIGURING OUT HOW ARE WE GONNA GET THERE? AND I THINK REALISTICALLY WE PROBABLY WON'T. 
          BUT WITHIN, WITH EACH INCREMENTAL IMPROVEMENT WE'RE MAKING, YOU KNOW, IMPROVEMENTS, BUT IT'S, UM, IT GOES REALLY BACK TO TRANSPORTATION AND FREEWAYS ARE NOT THE ANSWER. 
          SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS. 
          I FORGOT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE ON, UH, QUESTIONS HERE, BUT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          NOW, DID YOU HAVE A, DID WE HAVE A COMMENT FROM THE END GOING ONCE, DENNIS? NO, I, PLEASE, I WAS HOLDING THESE FOR, FOR COMMENTS. 
          WE'RE GONNA COME BACK TO COMMENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT THEY RELATE MOSTLY TO QUESTIONS OF OTHER COUNSEL. 
          FEEL FREE, JUMP IN. 
          THIS IS YOUR MINUTE. 
          WE'RE GONNA TRY. 
          AND, UM, AND, AND I, I GUESS I FIRST WANNA SAY I REALLY APPRECIATE THE EMPHASIS THAT THE STAFF IS MAKING ON, UH, FLEXIBILITY, ADAPTABILITY, BECAUSE, UH, MYSELF, I JUST, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA HAMSTRING US INTO STUFF THAT, UH, PEOPLE ARE GONNA SAY, YOU SAID THE GENERAL PLAN, YOU'RE GONNA DO THIS, YOU KNOW, AND THINGS CHANGE JUST SO DAMN FAST. 
          AND SO I, I HAD A QUESTION OF COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE, IS IT OKAY TO DO THIS? GO FOR IT. 
          UM, TO, UH, ASK COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE MENTIONED METRICS AND, BUT I WAS HAPPY WITH IN THIS DOCUMENT THAT SOME METRICS ARE SUGGESTED IN EVERY, IN EVERY, UH, SECOND AT LEAST MOST SECTIONS, IF NOT EVERY SECTION IN THE, IN THE BLUEPRINT IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU COULD USE AS A METRIC. 
          AND I WONDERED IF HE WAS WANTING A LOT MORE THAN THAT. 
          AND SECOND THING, UH, RELATES TO COUNCIL MEMBER SHRIVES ASKING FOR MORE DETAIL. 
          THAT'S, I'M TRYING TO OVER SUMMARIZE, OVERSIMPLIFY THIS ASKING FOR MORE DETAIL. 
          AND AGAIN, I'M ALWAYS CONCERNED THAT MORE DETAIL STRAPS US INTO STUFF AND MAKES US LE LESS FLEXIBLE. 
          SO I JUST HAVE THOSE TWO QUESTIONS OF E UH, OF THOSE OTHER COUNCIL I'LL SHOOT. 
          UM, SO FOR ME, LIKE TRANSIT IS GONNA BE EXTREMELY CRITICAL FOR US TO, UM, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS EQUITY AND CLIMATE TOGETHER, RIGHT? IT'S, IT'S HUGE. 
          AND SO WHEN I THINK ABOUT THE TARGETS OR THE METRICS, IT'S LIKE HOW MANY, LIKE, LOOK AT OUR EXISTING ROUTES AND HOW MANY PEOPLE DO WE NEED TO HAVE RIDING TRANSIT, AND THEREFORE HOW MANY PEOPLE NEED TO BE LIVING WITHIN A QUARTER MILE OF OUR TRANSIT STOPS? AND LIKE, THAT'S GONNA HAVE HUGE, HUGE IMPLICATIONS FOR OUR ZONING CODE AND FOR JUST IN GENERAL ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE GONNA TIER OFF OF THAT. 
          AND I DID NOT SEE THOSE NUMBERS IN THE BLUEPRINT WHEN I READ THEM. 
          AND I JUST THINK THAT THOSE ARE LIKE, YOU KNOW, EXTREMELY CRITICAL PIECES OF INFORMATION IF WE'RE, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK HONESTLY A 15 MINUTE NEIGHBORHOOD IS CENTERED AROUND TRANSIT IN MY MIND. 
          YOU KNOW, LIKE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE, UM, LIKE GONNA BE CRITICAL AND, UM, MAKING SURE THAT THE, THE SORT OF NUTS AND BOLTS OF THEM ARE EMBEDDED IN THIS DOCUMENT ARE IMPORTANT. 
          'CAUSE THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DO NEED TO HAVE IN MY MIND. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER NOW, DID YOU, YOU'RE GOOD. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY? YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO THIS, UH, CONVERSATION BROUGHT UP ONE OTHER AREA IN MY MIND I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT. 
          AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH, UH, TRANSIT, UH, FUNDING. 
          AND, UM, I, I GUESS THE CITY MANAGER CAN CONFIRM, MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT ALL OF OUR BUS AND PARATRANSIT FUNDING IS BASICALLY RESTRICTED FUNDS WE RECEIVE FROM THE STATE. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? SO THERE'S NO GENERAL FUND DOLLARS IN THERE AT THIS TIME. 
          THERE IS SOME GENERAL FUND, UH, FOR OUR, UM, UH, TRANSIT FREE PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE THAT IN OUR BUDGET. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, I, I GUESS WHAT I WOULD LIKE, UM, THE CONSULTING TEAM, THE, THE GENERAL PLAN TEAM TO DO IS DO A DEEPER DIVE ON THOSE FUNDING SOURCES THAT WE RELY ON FOR TRANSIT AND PARATRANSIT. 
          UM, BECAUSE, UM, I, I AM CONCERNED THAT, UM, I, I, I DO THINK WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO RELY ON THOSE FUNDS. 
          I I THINK IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A RED LINE TO, UM, OPEN UP THE GENERAL FUND TO FUNDING THESE KINDS OF THINGS BECAUSE THEN THAT, THAT WOULD BE COMPETING WITH OTHER VITAL SERVICES LIKE POLICE AND FIRE AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE PROVIDE. 
          UM, AND IT, IT, IT WOULD HAVE KIND OF THE, IN MY MIND, THE CAMEL'S NOSE INTO THE CORNER OF THE TENT TYPE OF TYPE OF ISSUE. 
          AND I THINK YOU SHOULD TRY TO, UM, LOOK AT THOSE, THOSE FUNDING SOURCES 
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AND, AND TRY TO SCOPE OUT WHAT'S REALISTIC TO ACHIEVE OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS FROM THOSE FUNDING SOURCES. 
          AND WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THOSE, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY, WE ARE, UM, ACTUALLY, UH, WORKING, UM, VERY DILIGENTLY TO BRING IN TO ATTRACT MORE TRANSPORTATION DOLLARS INTO OUR, UM, INTO OUR RESTROOM, WHAT YOU'RE CALLING RESTRICTED OR ENTERPRISE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I ASSUME THAT WOULD MOST MOSTLY BE IN THE GRANT CATEGORY? YES. 
          UM, GRANTS ARE GREAT, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE UNPREDICTABLE. 
          WELL, AND THEY'RE ONE TIME MOST OF THE TIME, AND YOU CAN'T, SO IT'S MOSTLY CAPITAL FUNDING, I WOULD EXPECT, AS OPPOSED TO OPERATING FUNDING, UM, RIGHT NOW FOR ELECTRIFICATION AND SUCH. 
          BUT, UM, WE'RE HOPING, I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA BE ONE OF THE FEW CITIES THAT DOES FAIR FREE FOR VERY SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY OUT OF OUR GENERAL FUNDS. 
          SO THAT BE, AND, AND THAT'S GREAT. 
          BUT ARE THERE GRANT FUNDS OUT THERE FOR OPERATING COSTS AS OPPOSED TO I'M, WE ARE LOOKING, I'M SURE THERE ARE GONNA BE A LOT OF, UH, GRANT MONIES THAT WILL BE COMING. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL ANYWAY, I JUST APPRECIATE A DEEPER DIVE INTO THIS AREA SO WE UNDERSTAND WHAT'S REALISTICALLY ACHI. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CAN I ASK, DID WE WANNA BRING IN THE TRANSIT MANAGER ON, UM, THIS THANK YOU, JARED, YOU GOT YOUR HAND UP? YEAH. 
          GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. 
          JARED HALL TRANSIT MANAGER, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER, HEALER REGARDING YOUR QUESTION. 
          SO AS PEGGY MENTIONED, UM, CITY MANAGER FLYNN, THE ONLY GENERAL FUND WE'RE CURRENTLY GETTING IS FOR THE FAIR FREE PROGRAM. 
          THE VAST MAJORITY OF OUR FUNDS RIGHT NOW IS THROUGH DEDICATED ENTERPRISE FUNDS. 
          THOSE COME FROM THE STATE LEVEL WITH WHAT'S KNOWN AS TDA TRANSPORTATION DEVELOPMENT ACT, AND STA STATE TRANSPORTATION ASSISTANCE, WHICH ARE ENTERPRISE FUNDS THAT COME FROM SALES TAX AND DIESEL TAX. 
          WE ALSO GET A PORTION OF FUNDING FROM THE SONOMA COUNTY LEVEL, UH, MEASURE M TRANSPORTATION, QUARTER SET SALES TAX. 
          BUT A LOT OF THOSE FUNDS, AND ESPECIALLY OTHER GRANT FUNDS THAT WE GET FEDERALLY, ARE ON THE CAPITAL SIDE. 
          THE OPERATING SIDE IS THE SIDE THAT IS HARDER TO GET FUNDING FOR. 
          AND AS MENTIONED, THOSE ARE OFTEN ONE-TIME FUNDS. 
          WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL GETTING SEVERAL FUNDS SUCH AS FACILITY IMPROVEMENTS, ELECTRIC BUSES THAT HELPED US FUND OUR RECENT ROUND OF FOUR ELECTRIC BUS PURCHASES. 
          WE CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THOSE GOING FORWARD. 
          UM, AS OF NOW, OUR UNFUNDED PORTION FOR THE ELECTRIC BUSES TO GET TO ZERO EMISSION BY 2030 IS APPROXIMATELY $9 MILLION. 
          WE HAVE HAD LUCK GETTING THOSE FUNDS, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CONTINUE TO LOOK AT GOING FORWARD TO HELP MEET THE, UH, GOALS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE TONIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, NO, NO, NO, THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT INFORMATION. 
          I, I JUST WANNA, UM, HAVE, HAVE A DEEPER DIVE INTO WHAT THOSE, THOSE FUNDING SOURCES ARE GONNA LOOK LIKE GOING FORWARD AND, AND KNOW IF WE'RE RELIANT ON STATEWIDE DIESEL AND GASOLINE SALES AND, AND THE PRICES OF THOSE PRODUCTS. 
          THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND AT LEAST. 
          AND I THINK THAT, UH, SUMMARIZES THAT THE BLUEPRINT CAN'T REALLY BE A CONTRACT. 
          IT'S MORE OF, UM, THIS YEAR'S GOAL ROADMAP. 
          AND AS THE DOLLARS CHANGE YEAR TO YEAR, AND AS THE ADOPTION CHANGES YEAR TO YEAR, WE'LL TRY AND STAY CURRENT WITH IT. 
          CAN I ADD SOMETHING THERE, PLEASE? SURE. 
          UM, BACK TO, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLES POINT TOO ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TRANSIT AND MAKING SURE THAT LIKE OUR 15 MINUTE NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, CENTERS ARE TRANSIT IS INCORPORATED, AND, YOU KNOW, SO, SO MUCH OF THAT WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT LAND USE, IT'S SUCH A KEY INTEGRATED PART OF THAT, RIGHT? WE HAVE TO INCREASE OUR DENSITY CENTERS TO SUPPORT TRANSIT. 
          SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE MORE NUMBERS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE USING IT, YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT EASY AND AFFORDABLE AND, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THOSE THINGS. 
          SO THERE'S SO MUCH OVERLAP. 
          SO NOT, NOT LOST ON THE GROUP THAT'S WORKING ON THE GENERAL PLAN AND THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT. 
          AND KIND OF, TO YOUR POINT, MAYOR, I DID WANNA EMPHASIZE THAT THIS IS A BLUEPRINT. 
          IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S NOT A PLUG AND PLAY WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S BROUGHT UP IN HERE IN TERMS OF HERE'S THE FUNDING, HERE'S THE, YOU KNOW, GO OUT AND DO IT TOMORROW. 
          IT'S RECOGNIZING THAT, UM, PARK PARKING MIGHT BE ONE COMPONENT OF MANY COMPONENTS THAT TOGETHER WE'LL MAKE A SHIFT. 
          BUT IF WE'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS WE NEED TO DO BEFORE WE'RE GONNA HAVE A, A PARKING PROGRAM, RIGHT? WE HAVE TO DO ALL SORTS OF ANALYSIS. 
          SO WE DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH OR WHAT HOURS OR THOSE KIND OF DETAILS ON A LOT OF THIS, BUT IT GIVES US THE STARTING POINT. 
          IT GIVES US THE THINGS TO LOOK AT EACH YEAR WHEN WE'RE PRIORITIZING, WE'RE LOOKING AT FUNDING, WE'RE LOOKING AT RESOURCES. 
          SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE YOUR, ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS ARE EXTREMELY HELPFUL, AND SOME 
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OF THEM WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ADDRESS, AND SOME OF 'EM WE MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO ADDRESS AT THIS POINT IN THIS TYPE OF DOCUMENT. 
          UM, BUT IT WOULD BE THE SUBSEQUENT STEPS. 
          COULD, COULD YOU, UM, RECAP THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE BLUEPRINT AND THE GENERAL PLAN? THERE WAS THE, AN ADAPTATION MITIGATION SPLIT AND OH, SURE. 
          WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, WILL IT ROLL INTO THE GENERAL PLAN WILL INFORM ONLY THE GENERAL PLAN? SO WHEN WE, WHEN WE STARTED, WE HAD, UM, CALLED OUT A CAP WITH TWO A'S, SO ACTION AND ADAPTATION, UM, ADAPTATION. 
          UM, WE DECIDED TO SEPARATE THEM BECAUSE WE HAD A 2030 GOAL WITH OUR, UM, CARBON NEUTRALITY AND TIME WAS STARING US DOWN. 
          UM, AND WE WERE DOING OUR REALLY IN DEPTH, UM, FLOOD AND SEA LEVEL RISE MODELING. 
          AND THAT WAS TAKING LONGER THAN WE HAD INITIALLY ANTICIPATED, BUT WE FELT LIKE IT WAS SO CRITICAL TO SO MUCH OF THE CONVERSATION WITH THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          SO THE ADAPTATION, THE LAND USE THAT WE JUST COULDN'T, WE COULDN'T GO ON UNTIL WE HAD THAT MODELING. 
          SO WE DECIDED TO SEPARATE THEM, UM, AND DO THE ACTION, THE GREENHOUSE GAS, UM, WITH THE BLUEPRINT, DO THE ADAPTATION WITH THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          UM, THAT IS THE TRACK WE'RE ON. 
          THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION HAD BROUGHT UP, UM, THAT WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT AFTER ADOPTION OF THE GENERAL PLAN, COMBINING BACK TO A CLIMATE ACTION AND ADAPTATION, OR CONSIDER DOING THAT AND TAKING THE ADAPTATION ACTIONS FROM THE GENERAL PLAN AND ROLLING THE APPROPRIATE ONES INTO A CAP WITH TWO AS. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD CONSIDER DOING. 
          UM, BUT WE DON'T NEED TO MAKE THAT DECISION RIGHT NOW. 
          OUR GOAL RIGHT NOW IS TO HAVE A FINAL OF THE BLUEPRINT FOR ADOPTION AND CONTINUE TO WORK ON OUR ADAPTATION AND RESILIENCY AS PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND MM-HMM,  AND THE MITIGATION WORK THAT'S IN THE GENERAL PLAN, OR THAT IS NOT GONNA BE IN THE, IN THE GENERAL PLAN, THE MITIGATION SIDE. 
          UH, FOR, FOR THE ADAPTATION, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK ADAPTATION. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'LL BE, AND, AND LIKE THE, UM, FRAMEWORK THAT WAS JUST RELEASED LAST WEEK MM-HMM. 
          , UM, FOR, UM, FLOOD RESILIENCY. 
          UM, SO THAT'S ALL IN THAT WILL BE IN THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          YES. 
          PERFECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I THINK WE SHOULD BUMP TO, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT HERE. 
          AND, UM, FOR EACH OF THESE ELEMENTS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A MOMENT FOR, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS SPECIFIC AREA. 
          AND SO IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE FROM THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS TOPIC, UM, THE BLUEPRINT, PLEASE, UH, BRING A CARD FORWARD TO OUR CLERK, AND WE WILL, UH, HAVE A MINUTE, UH, TO SPEAK ON THAT. 
          AND WHILE YOU'RE DOING THAT, I'D LIKE OUR MODERATOR, WHO'S OUR MODERATOR TONIGHT. 
          CAITLIN, ARE YOU OUR MODERATOR TONIGHT? I AM ACTUALLY THE MODERATOR. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING OUR MODERATOR TONIGHT. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND WEARING TWO OR THREE HATS OVER THERE, . 
          UM, SO, UM, THERE'S A MESSAGING AND SINCE IT'S THE FIRST OF THE EVENING, I'D LIKE, UH, YOU TO READ THE MESSAGING. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          UH, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ATTENDING IN PERSON SHOULD BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE SO. 
          SPEAKERS ARE REMINDED TO BE RESPECTFUL IN THEIR COMMENTS. 
          AND THAT THIS MEETING IS BEING TRANSLATED. 
          PLEASE PAUSE BETWEEN SENTENCES FOR TRANSLATION AND THE TIMER BEHIND THE D WILL BE RESET FOR EACH SPEAKER. 
          AND, UM, ALSO, MAY I ASK THE CLERK IF WE'VE RECEIVED, UH, ONLINE SUBMITTALS PRIOR? WE DID RECEIVE TWO PUBLIC COMMENTS, WHICH ARE POSTED ON THE WEBSITE. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH, UH, TO, UH, LEAD OFF BEN PETERS, UH, TO BE FOLLOWED BY DAVE ALDEN. 
          AND I THINK, UH, WE WILL BE SETTING THE CLOCK AT THREE MINUTES, BUT DO NOT FEEL OBLIGATED TO USE THE THREE MINUTES, IF NOT NECESSARY. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, YEAH, UH, I GUESS THERE WAS A COUPLE PIECES OF UNVERIFIED INFORMATION, WHICH WAS SOMEWHAT SURPRISING, BUT PERHAPS NOT SURPRISING COMING FROM THE DAAS. 
          UM, THE, THE CALIFORNIA ISO, THEIR MOST RECENT 2024 PLAN HAD $6.4 BILLION OF TRANSMISSION WORK. 
          THAT'S TO DO ALL THE THINGS THAT WAS MENTIONED IN THE GENERAL PLAN AND THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. 
          SO I DO THINK HAVING ANY CITY LEVEL FOCUS ON TRANSMISSION PLANNING IS A BIT OF A 
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FOOL'S ERRAND. 
          AND, UH, FURTHERMORE, JASON MINO, THE PG E REPRESENTATIVE FOR OUR REGION, DID GRACE US WITH HIS PRESENCE. 
          AND SO IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERN ABOUT THE DISTRIBUTION AND GRID IN OUR AREA, WE NOW HAVE THE PERSON TO SPEAK WITH ON THAT MATTER REGARDING, UH, OUR GAS TRANSMISSION SYSTEM AND HOW EXPENSIVE OR NON-EXPENSIVE CERTAIN UPGRADES MIGHT BE. 
          I'D LIKE TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT 90% OF OUR GAS COMES FROM ALBERTA, CANADA, A THOUSAND MILES AWAY. 
          AND IF YOU'RE A FAN OF PLANNING PLAN BAY AREA 2050, ALL OF THE SCENARIOS INCLUDE A MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, EVERY SINGLE SCENARIO. 
          AND THE MOST EXPENSIVE THING WE CAN DO IS CONTINUE TO RELY ON NATURAL GAS COMING FROM ALBERTA, CANADA, IT IS VERY EXPENSIVE TO NOT TRANSITION AWAY FROM NATURAL GAS PERIOD. 
          I WISH I HAD MORE TIME TO TALK ABOUT THE MODE SHIFT AND THE IMPORTANT METRICS OF THAT 70%, 70% MODE SHIFT. 
          I THINK THE MAYOR DID AN EXCELLENT JOB OF HIGHLIGHTING WHO WE'RE ASKING TO MODE SHIFT AND WHO WE'RE NOT ASKING TO MODE SHIFT. 
          OKAY? WHEN I STARTED DROPPING MY CHILDREN OFF AT PRESCHOOL, I WAS ONE OF TWO PEOPLE THAT RODE MY BIKE. 
          NOW, 20% OF THE PRESCHOOL RIDES THEIR CHILDREN TO BIKE ON THEIR SCHOOL. 
          THAT IS EXPONENTIAL GROWTH. 
          SO WHEN THE ELDERS IN THIS ROOM HAVE A DIFFICULT TIME COMPREHENDING MODE SHIFT, THE YOUNGER GENERATION ASKS, NOT THAT YOU SHIFT YOUR MODE YOURSELF, BUT RATHER STEP BACK AND ALLOW THE CITY TO BE BUILT IN A SAFE WAY SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO BIKE AND WALK SAFELY TO GET OUR CHILDREN TO SCHOOL. 
          THE MODE SHIFT WILL COME FROM THE FUTURE. 
          THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS ON OUR TRANSIT SYSTEM. 
          PPSC DOES AN AMAZING JOB. 
          THEIR TRANSIT NUMBERS DWARF OURS. 
          IF WE SIMPLY HELP THEM FY WE DO A GREAT JOB. 
          AND SO WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THAT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS DAVE ALDEN, TO BE FOLLOWED BY DWAYNE BELLINGER. 
          THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK THIS EVENING. 
          UH, I WAS VERY IMPRESSED BY THE PRESENTATION BY MR. KOVICH. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          I CERTAINLY SUPPORT THE BLUEPRINT, UH, BUT I DID, AND I, THE CONVERSATION THAT I HAD BEEN MARVELOUS. 
          I WISH I COULD HAVE TAKEN MORE THAN MY THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK, BUT, UM, ONE THING I WAS REALLY, I REALLY LIKED IS THE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE CARBON NEUTRAL IN 2030. 
          I DON'T THINK THE PUBLIC HAS HEARD THAT YET. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE CLEAR THAT WE WANT TO HEAD THAT DIRECTION. 
          WE WILL HEAD THAT DIRECTION. 
          BUT, UH, THAT GOAL AS FAR AS EVERYTHING I'M HEARING IS DEAD AT THIS POINT. 
          BUT I DO WANT TO SEE MORE AND MORE PLANNING TOWARD WHAT IT TAKES US, WHAT IT TAKES TO MOVE US TOWARD THAT EVENTUAL GOAL. 
          AS THE CHAIR OF THE TRANSIT ADVISORY COMMITTEE, I WAS THRILLED TO HEAR TRANSIT BROUGHT UP SO MUCH THIS EVENING. 
          PROBABLY MORE THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP IN EVERY CITY COUNCIL MEETING AS LONG AS I'VE LIVED IN TOWN. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          AND A LOT OF YOU ALREADY HEARD ME MAKE THIS COMMENT, BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THE BLUEPRINT NOW, THERE'S A HUGE DICHOTOMY. 
          EVEN IF WE TALK ABOUT 50% MODE SPLIT BY 2030, THAT'S PROBABLY BASED ON THE TYPICAL EUROPEAN MODEL OF MODE. 
          SHIFT IS 25 TO 30, 30% OF ALL TRIPS BY 2030. 
          ON BUSES TODAY, WE'RE AT 0.6%. 
          AND YET, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BLUEPRINT, IT CALLS FOR US TO ADD FOUR ELECTRIC BUSES AT THE SAME TIME. 
          WE'RE RETIRING FOR DIESEL BUSES. 
          WE'RE NOT INCREASING THE FLEET, WE'RE NOT INCREASING THE HOURS OF SERVICE. 
          WE'RE NOT INCREASING THE HEADWAY. 
          WE'RE NOT ADDING ANY NEW ROUTES, AND YET WE EXPECT TO GO FROM 0.6% TO 30%. 
          THAT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT WHEN I READ THE BLUEPRINT, IT JUST, IT MISSES ON THAT LOGICAL POINT. 
          AND WE NEED TO HIT THAT, I'M SURE NOT JUST ON TRANSIT, BUT ON A NUMBER OF AREAS. 
          PAID PARKING FOR YEARS, I'VE BEEN PUSHING FOR DOWNTOWN PAID PARKING, AND IT SHOULD NOT BE A REVENUE SOURCE FOR THE CITY. 
          EVERY STUDY OUT THERE SAYS, DON'T TRY TO DO THAT. 
          TAKE THE MONEY, PUSH FORWARD SOMETHING THAT BENEFITS THE AREA WHERE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PAID PARKING IN OUR CASE DOWNTOWN, AS A WAY OF MOLLIFYING THE MERCHANTS AND MAKING IT ALL WORK WHERE YOU PUT PAID PARKING IN. 
          DONALD SCHOUP HAS DONE THIS WORK. 
          IT'S BEEN PROVEN TIME AND TIME AGAIN, WHEREVER THERE ARE CONSISTENT TIMES OF DAY WHEN YOU HAVE LESS THAN 15% 
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OF THE PARKING SPACES AVAILABLE, PARKING METERS MAKE SENSE. 
          AND YOU PRICE THE METERS SO THAT YOU GET BACK TO THAT 15% NUMBER. 
          SO ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO DRIVE DOWNTOWN KNOWS THEY CAN GET A PARKING PLACE. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE TO CIRCLE THE BLOCK, THEY DON'T HAVE TO CREATE CONGESTION. 
          THIS IS JUST ALL STUFF THAT WE'VE LEARNED. 
          IT'S CONSISTENTLY WORKED OUT. 
          WE NEED TO START FOLLOWING THAT MODEL. 
          UM, CHECKING TIME. 
          I'M RUNNING OUTTA TIME. 
          ONE LAST COMMENT. 
          THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO BUY INTO THIS. 
          WHAT I HEAR ALL THE TIME IS THAT FROM THE PUBLIC, THAT WE DIDN'T LIVE UP THE GENERAL PLAN OF THE 2008. 
          THAT'S BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THEY HAD A PART TO PLAY. 
          WE NEED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH 'EM GOING FORWARD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          DWAYNE BELLINGER TO BE FOLLOWED BY ROBERT HANSON. 
          YES, IT'S DWAYNE HERE, AND I WANNA THANK YOU ALL. 
          I THINK YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB. 
          I, I I REALLY DO. 
          AND, AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE DEALING WITH PROBLEMS THAT HAVE MAINLY COME OUT OF THE FEDERAL AND STATE INCOMPETENCE. 
          WE HAD BILLIONS OF DOLLARS AWARDED TODAY TO BASICALLY BUILD OUR ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT NOT ONE WORD IN THAT, ABOUT WHERE THE MONEY COMES FROM, OTHER THAN BORROWING IT FROM OUR GRANDCHILDREN. 
          WE SHOULD BE BUILDING THE ROADS ONLY WITH GAS TAX MONEY. 
          AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, STATE GOVERNMENT ARE DOING A TREMENDOUS DISSERVICE TO THE WHOLE FUTURE, UH, FOR FAILURE TO DO THAT. 
          UM, I WOULD, I WOULD POINT OUT THAT, UM, UH, ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE DOESN'T LIKE SPENDING, UH, PROPERTY TAX MONEY, I GUESS, ON, UH, BUSES, BUT DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE ANY PROBLEM BRINGING UP THIS EVENING. 
          THE, THE, THE QUESTION OF THE MASSIVE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE SPEND ON BUILDING ROADS LOCALLY OUT OF THE PROPERTY TAX, THE AMOUNT IN OUR SALES TAX PROPORTION, AND THE, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY, HOSPITAL HEALTH, UH, FROM AUTOMOBILE ACCIDENTS. 
          WE SUBSIDIZE AUTOMOBILES LOCALLY AT THIS ENORMOUS LEVEL JUST TO ADD TO THE FEDERAL SUBSIDIES OF THE STATE SUBSIDIES. 
          AND THAT'S OUR PROBLEM. 
          THAT IS TRULY OUR PROBLEM. 
          I'D LIKE TO SAY A NICE THING ABOUT BRIAN. 
          I THINK HE'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. 
          THAT THAT'S TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE PEOPLE COMING IN AND GOING OUT OF, OF THE CITY. 
          I WOULD LIKE US TO ASK THOSE EMPLOYERS WHO HAVE PEOPLE COMING IN TO ASK THEIR, THEY KNOW WHERE THE PEOPLE LIVE. 
          THEY'VE GOT THEIR W TWOS, THEY MAIL TO THEM, UM, AT LEAST, UM, TO ASK THEM WHAT THEY COULD DO TO HAVE THEM MOVE TO PETALUMA. 
          WHAT KIND OF HOUSING DO THE WORKERS WHO ARE ACTUALLY HERE, THE, UH, WAS IT, UH, BUYING, YOU SAID, UH, 19,000 A DAY. 
          WHAT KIND OF HOUSING DO THOSE PEOPLE WANT? WHAT CAN WE DO TO BRING THEM HERE AS FAR AS PEOPLE GOING OUT OF TOWN? MAYBE IF WE, UH, TOLD THE STATE, WE DON'T WANT THEM TO FUND HIGHWAY 37 BEING BROUGHT ABOVE THE, THE, UM, SEA LEVEL, UNLESS THEY DO IT WITH GAS TAX MONEY. 
          UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR GOOD WORK AGAIN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THE LAST CARD I HAVE IS ROBERT HANSEN TO SPEAK ON THE BLUEPRINT. 
          GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. 
          ROBERT HANSEN, NATIVE CALIFORNIA. 
          I GREW UP WITH DUCK AND COVER AND SMOG ALERTS. 
          WHEN'S THE LAST TIME WE HAD A SMOG ALERT? 15, 20 YEARS AGO, I LISTENED TO ONE OF OUR CITY REPS TOUTING THIS WINDMILL FARM 30 MILES OFF THE COAST IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR WHALE MIGRATION ROUTE FOR AN ENERGY PRODUCTION SYSTEM THAT IS EIGHT TIMES MORE COSTLY, FOUR TIMES LESS EFFICIENT THAN ANYTHING. 
          WE HAVE THE HOLE IN THE OZONE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO END ALL LIFE BY 2035 IS HEALED ITSELF BY 40%. 
          THE ARCTIC IS LOSING ICE, BUT THE ANARCH IS GAINING ICE NET TOTAL, ONE 16TH OF AN INCH IN RISING GLOBAL SEA LEVEL WITH JOE BIDEN'S DISASTROUS WITHDRAWAL FROM AFGHANISTAN. 
          HE NOT ONLY ARMED EVERY TERRORIST ORGANIZATION IN THE MIDDLE EAST, HE GAVE CHINA TRILLION DOLLARS IN RARE EARTH MINERALS. 
          THEY'RE MINING IT AS WE SPEAK, AND THEY'RE MINING IT OUT OF  AIR FORCE BASE. 
          YOU THINK THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS WINDMILL SOLAR PANEL THING? WHEN'S THE LAST TIME WE HAD A SMOG ALERT? LATE SIXTIES. 
          I WAS A HIGH RF TRANSMITTER TECH FOR THE NAVY. 
          THE BIGGEST TRANSMITTER I HAD WAS 1.2 MILLION KW. 
          I COULD TALK TO A SUBMARINE DOWN 400 FEET ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WORLD. 
          HARP AN AFFILIATE OF OUR GOVERNMENT WHO STATED, GOAL IS TO CONTROL GLOBAL, GLOBAL WARM WARMING. 
          AND WEATHER IS TRANSMITTING BILLIONS OF WATTS INTO OUR ATMOSPHERE. 
          BILLIONS. 
          YOU WANNA STOP GLOBAL WARMING. 
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SHUT DOWN HARP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THAT WAS OUR LAST SPEAKER THAT CLOSES PUBLIC COMMENT, UH, ON THIS PARTICULAR, UM, ITEM. 
          AND LET'S BRING IT BACK FOR, UH, COUNSEL TO HAVE THEIR COMMENTS ON THE BLUEPRINT BEFORE WE MOVE TO OUR NEXT ITEM. 
          UH, ANYONE, UH, FEEL THEY, UH, HAVE A COMMENT THEY'D LIKE TO MAKE COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE? YEAH. 
          UM, HEATHER, YOU MADE THE COMMENT, THIS ISN'T LOST ON US. 
          I, TO THE, THE VISION FOR THAT. 
          TOTALLY AGREE. 
          IT'S NOT NECESSARILY IN THE BLUEPRINT. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE FOR, FOR THE PEOPLE TO, TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          AND I JUST WANT TO TOTALLY AGREE WITH WHAT, UM, BEN PETER SAID THAT WE'RE NOT ASKING THE OLDER GENERATION TO GET OUTTA THEIR CARS. 
          UM, WE'RE ASKING THE OLDER GENERATION TO MAKE IT SAFER FOR US TO GET OUT OF OUR CARS. 
          AND SO, UM, REALLY APPRECIATE THAT, THAT PERSPECTIVE. 
          BEN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU COUNCIL, UH, VICE MAYOR SCHIBS. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          I THINK WE'RE PRETTY MUCH ALL IN AGREEMENT. 
          IT SOUNDS LIKE WE DO NEED TO MOVE FORWARD AND, UH, THIS IS A PRETTY EXTENSIVE PLAN. 
          UM, I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS WE STILL NEED TO, UH, WORK ON IS MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S, UM, WHEN I WENT TO AN INROADS WORKSHOP THIS LAST WEEK, AND THE AMOUNT OF CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN EVERYTHING, EVERY LITTLE THING YOU MIGHT DO, WE NEED TO DO IT ALL. 
          AND EVERYTHING IS CONNECTED TO EVERYTHING ELSE IN AN ADDITIVE WAY. 
          SO IT'S LIKE SYNERGY. 
          IF YOU CAN DO ONE THING, 10 THINGS, IT'S LIKE YOU'RE DOING 20 THINGS, BUT IT IS ADDITIVE. 
          SO THERE'S A LOT OF CONNECTIVITY AND ADDITIVE BETWEEN ALL THE ACTIONS THAT WE CAN DO. 
          SO THAT NEEDS TO BE EMPHASIZED. 
          UM, I THINK THAT THE, UM, LAND USE, ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS WE CAN DO FOR ADAPTATION, AS YOU MENTIONED, WAS LAND USE. 
          AND I THINK, UH, THAT NEEDS TO BE EMPHASIZED. 
          IT'S HOW WE, UM, WHERE WE PUT THINGS AND HOW WE USE OUR LAND, WHETHER IT TURN IN OPEN SPACE BUILDINGS, UM, WHETHER WE BUILD DIKES, WHATEVER THAT ADAPTATION AND LAND USE ARE TOTALLY CONNECTED. 
          AND SO WORKING ON THAT, UM, I THINK, UH, SINCE IF WE HAD THE PG E PERSON HERE IN, IN, UH, UH, IN, IN THE ROOM, I WOULD'VE LIKED TO HAVE HAD HIM AT LEAST GIVE US A COUPLE MINUTES OF, UM, BACKGROUND INFORMATION AS TO WHERE PG E STANDS. 
          'CAUSE IT'S GONNA BE, UH, THEM AND SONOMA CLEAN POWER. 
          THEY'RE GONNA LEAD THE WAY FOR ELECTRIFICATION. 
          AND WE REALLY NEED TO HEAR FROM THEM. 
          UM, WE CAN ASK ALL WE WANT, BUT WE REALLY NEED TO HEAR THEIR PROPOSALS TO SUPPORT THIS BLUEPRINT, UH, IN ELECTRIFICATION. 
          SO I I, WE REALLY NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS. 
          UM, EDUCATION FOR EVERY, UM, AND GETTING THE, THE PUBLIC BUY-IN CRITICAL. 
          UM, WE JUST GOTTEN SOME OF THE FEEDBACK OF WHAT WE'VE HAD IN JUST SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE TRIED TO DO IN THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS. 
          UM, PUBLIX DOESN'T SEEM TO BE QUITE READY ENTIRELY FOR, FOR SOMETHING THIS, UM, THIS BIG THAT WE'RE GONNA ABOUT TO DO. 
          SO, UM, GETTING MORE PUBLIC BUY-IN AT THIS POINT, HOW ARE WE GONNA DO THAT? AND, AND LITTLE THINGS. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE, I JUST WANNA BRING BACK, UM, WATER MANAGEMENT, UM, IN ALL ITS WAYS, UM, NEEDS TO BE EMPHASIZED, UM, IN, IN PART OF THE, THE BLUEPRINT PLAN. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE THE NUMBER ONE THING THAT THAT'S GONNA BE A PROBLEM DOWN THE ROAD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ONE MORE THING. 
          FORGOT TO ADD PLEASE. 
          UM, WHAT WASN'T MENTIONED WAS, UM, WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING IS, UH, REBATE DOLLARS FOR E-BIKES. 
          AND THAT SEEMS TO BE VERY SUCCESSFUL IN OTHER CITIES HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. 
          AND, UH, THAT'S JUST ANOTHER LITTLE THING THAT WE COULD DO, JUST ADDED TO THE LIST. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I THINK THAT'S A, UM, A VERY GOOD POINT. 
          I THINK SONOMA, CLANEY COUNTY, SONOMA CLEAN POWER, UM, HAD A REBATE MIKE AND SOLD IT OUT RIGHT AWAY, WHICH JUST PROVES THAT, UM, WE'RE NOT WORKING HARD ENOUGH IN THAT SECTOR AND, AND NEED TO, UH, UM, SUPPORT IN WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT, UH, INCREASED REBATES. 
          AND I THINK THAT THAT REBATE EXTENDS TO, UH, MODIFICATIONS OF COMMUTING PATTERNS BY CITY EMPLOYEES BY INCENTIVE AND INCENTIVE IS AT THIS TIME. 
          I THINK WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE, AN AWFUL LOT OF THIS IS, UM, UM, I THINK WE ARE A LITTLE AHEAD OF THE PUBLIC ON THE, THE NEED TO CONVERT. 
          UM, AND PARTICULARLY I THIS ANECDOTALLY ABOUT THE COOL PETALUMA. 
          I MEAN, UM, THE REASON I LOVE THEM FROM THE BEGINNING IS BECAUSE THEY PUT THE ONUS ON THE INDIVIDUAL TO MODIFY INDIVIDUAL BEHAVIOR AND, UH, PIVOT FROM CONTINUING TO ASK THE CITY. 
          THE CITY WAS TAKING CARE OF THEIR, UH, BUSINESS CITY IS ADOPTED AND ALL IN, YOU NEED THAT SAME KIND OF COMMITMENT FROM THE PUBLIC. 
          AND COOL PETALUMA WAS FORMED TO ENCOURAGE THAT. 
          UH, THEY RAN INTO A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, UH, PROBLEM IS THAT THE ASK FOR YOU TO CHANGE YOUR BEHAVIORS OR INVEST IN YOUR OWN, UM, INVEST CASH IN YOUR OWN SELF IS, UH, A MORE CHALLENGING ASK THAN DO YOU SUPPORT CLIMATE, UH, YOU KNOW, MODIFICATIONS. 
          SO, UH, IT WAS DIFFICULT. 
          BUT NOW THERE WE'RE TWO OR THREE YEARS, FOUR YEARS DOWN THE ROAD IN THAT PROGRAM WE'RE SEEING, YES, MORE MANY SPLITS ARE BEING PUT IN, YOU KNOW, THE MESSAGE 
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TOOK TIME TO SEED AND, UM, UH, BUT, BUT WE NEED TO KEEP INVESTING THAT EARLY EFFORT AND BUMPING OUR HEAD AGAINST THE PUBLIC'S CURRENT POSITION AND, UH, ACKNOWLEDGING THE EARLY ADOPTERS SO THAT WE CAN CHANGE THE PUBLIC'S CONCERNS ON THIS. 
          I TRUST THAT THE CITY WILL MOVE IN ALL THE RIGHT DIRECTIONS IN, IN TERMS OF MOVING WATER HERE TO THERE AND THE BEST ENERGY CHOICES AND ALL THAT, AND THE BUS SYSTEM, UH, GETTING RIGHT. 
          BUT I THINK WE NEED TO REALLY FOCUS ON HAVING THE, THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. 
          AND I DID WANT TO, UM, REITERATE THE, UH, HOUSING CONNECTION AND LAND USE CONNECTION. 
          I THINK WE'RE GONNA PUT HOUSING IN THE RIGHT PLACES. 
          I THINK IT'S VERY EASY TO SAY WE DON'T WANNA PUT HOUSING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FLOODPLAIN, AND WE'LL STAND BEHIND THAT. 
          WHAT'S HARDER TO SAY IS THAT ON THE MAIN CORRIDOR, WE'RE GONNA NEED A LITTLE HIGHER THAN YOU'RE ALREADY COMFORTABLE HAVING. 
          OUR DENSITIES ARE GONNA HAVE TO INCREASE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'LL PROMOTE MODE SHIFT. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE, WHERE YOU'LL FIND IT'S MORE FUN TO STAY IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          'CAUSE THE AMENITIES ARE THERE IN THE 15 MINUTE NEIGHBORHOOD RA RATHER THAN TRYING TO HOP IN A CAR AND LEAVE. 
          SO IT'S NOT JUST THE LAND USE AS, UM, A RESIDENTIAL CODE, BUT A DENSITY COMMENT AS WELL. 
          UM, AND THAT'S ME FOR THE EVENING. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER ATE. 
          YEAH, JUST ADD ON SOME OF STUFF OFF. 
          SORRY. 
          JUST TO ADD ON TO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN SAID. 
          UH, I, I, UH, I THINK ONE THING THAT A PIECE OF DATA OR, OR, UH, A METRIC, UH, THAT, UH, HASN'T BEEN SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED IS, IS THAT, UH, WE'RE APPROPRIATELY TALKING ABOUT HOW IT'S GONNA BE DIFFICULT TO GET BUY-IN FROM THE COMMUNITY ON A LOT OF THIS STUFF. 
          AND, UH, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE ANOTHER METRIC WE USED TO CHOOSE WHAT WE DO FIRST AND TO MAKE PRIORITIES IS WHAT WE THINK PEOPLE MIGHT GET USED TO AND LIKE THE QUICKEST, UH, THINGS THAT WE COULD DO. 
          WELL, THANK YOU. 
          I'M NOT SURE WHAT THOSE ARE. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND ERIC, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION TONIGHT. 
          UH, THAT GETS US THROUGH OUR FIRST SEGMENT, THE, UH, BLUEPRINT FOR CARBON NEUTRALITY. 
          BUT BEFORE WE MOVE INTO THE, UH, POLICY FRAMEWORKS, UM, LET'S JUST TAKE A MINUTE. 
          WE'VE BEEN HERE TWO HOURS AND, UH, LET'S TAKE, UH, FIVE MINUTES, UH, STRETCH OUR LEGS AND COME BACK AND HIT THE NEXT TOPIC. 
          STRONG. 
          IT IS NOW 6 53 5 MINUTES TO 6 58. 
          SEE YOU IN FIVE MINUTES. 
          OKAY. 
          AT THIS POINT, I THINK I'M GONNA BRING THE MEETING BACK TO ORDER, AND WE'RE ALL GOOD TO, UM, MOVE TO OUR NEXT, UH, COMPONENT OF TONIGHT'S WORKSHOP. 
          THE NEXT COMPONENT IS POLICY FRAMEWORKS, AND I'D LIKE TO ASK, UH, HEATHER HEINZ, OUR SPECIAL PROJECTS MANAGER TO LEAD US OFF. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NOW I FEEL LIKE IT'S MY JOB TO MAKE UP TIME, SO, WE'LL, WE'LL SEE HOW THAT WORKS. 
          TALK SLOWLY, RIGHT? AND TALK SLOWLY, UM, AND WAITING FOR THE POWERPOINT TO COME UP, BUT GOOD EVENING. 
          UM, SO WE ARE READY TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SEGMENT OF OUR PRESENTATION. 
          UM, AND WE ARE GONNA TALK ABOUT POLICY FRAMEWORKS AND LAND USE ALTERNATIVES. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHO'S DRIVING. 
          UH, RON YOU ARE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, BUTTON. 
          OKAY, THERE WE ARE. 
          SO HOPEFULLY PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO RECOGNIZE THIS VISUAL. 
          THIS IS OUR GENERAL PLAN UPDATE ROADMAP, AND I'M VERY EXCITED WHEN I SAW THIS TODAY THAT THE LITTLE BLUE STAR IS MOVING CLOSER AND CLOSER TO ALTERNATIVES. 
          SO THIS SHOWS YOU WHERE WE'VE BEEN FROM INITIATING THIS PROJECT THROUGH OUR DISCOVERY VISION POLICY DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS RESULTED IN THE FRAMEWORKS AND OUR CONVERSATION ABOUT LAND USE ALTERNATIVES AND SPRINKLE IN A HOUSING ELEMENT AND A BLUEPRINT FOR CARBON NEUTRALITY. 
          SO WE ARE MAKING OUR WAY, UM, WE ARE RIDING OUR BIKES DOWN THE ROAD TOWARD PLAN REVIEW AND ADOPTION. 
          SO, UM, SLIDE THREE. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          UM, AND THERE'S SO MUCH HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. 
          SO REALLY TRYING TO PULL THIS DIAGRAM TOGETHER TO JUST REMIND YOU OF ALL THE THINGS AND THE DIFFERENT INPUTS, UM, THAN HOW THEY ARE COMING TOGETHER. 
          FOR INSTANCE, WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF, UH, FLOOD AND SEA LEVEL RISE MODELING AND HOW THAT WAS ESSENTIAL TO 
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INFORM OUR LAND USE ALTERNATIVE, HOW THE BLUEPRINT IS ESSENTIAL TO INFORM THE FRAMEWORKS, UM, AND ULTIMATELY THE FRAMEWORKS BEING, UM, ESSENTIAL TO INFORM THE DRAFT, UM, GENERAL PLAN. 
          SO REALLY LOOKING AT THE INTERCONNECTEDNESS OF ALL OF THESE AND HOW WE ARE CONTINUING TO MOVE TOWARDS THAT FINAL GENERAL PLAN AND ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          UH, SIMILARLY, WE FELT IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO REMIND US OF ALL THE INPUTS, UH, THAT WE HAVE, UM, PUT INTO THESE POLICY FRAMEWORKS AND THESE LAND USE ALTERNATIVES. 
          WE HAVE DONE A LOT, UM, WE HAVE DONE A LOT AS PART OF THIS GENERAL PLAN UPDATE PROCESS, AND ALSO WANNA RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE ADJACENT PROJECTS THAT ARE HAPPENING, SUCH AS THE S STAT REPORT OR THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN, AND HOW WE ARE MAKING SURE THAT THOSE ARE ALSO CONSIDERED AS ADDITIONAL INPUTS INTO THE WORK WE ARE DOING. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO, OUR GOALS FOR TONIGHT WITH THIS SECOND, UM, SECOND AND THIRD PORTION, UM, OF OUR, OUR, OUR EVENING TOGETHER, WE WANNA PROVIDE, UM, AN UPDATE TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE DRAFT FRAMEWORKS, UM, KIND OF REVIEW WHAT WENT INTO THOSE, WHAT THOSE ARE, WHAT PURPOSE THOSE, UM, SERVE AND THE REVIEW PROCESS THAT WE ARE INITIATING. 
          WE ALSO WANNA PROVIDE YOU AN UPDATE ON, UH, THE LAND USE ALTERNATIVE PROCESS. 
          AND AGAIN, WHAT HAS GONE INTO THAT, WHAT WE'VE HEARD, WHAT WE'VE CONSIDERED, AND THEN PROVIDING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COUNCIL, UM, TO PROVIDE SOME FOCUSED FEEDBACK ON THE DIRECTION THAT WE ARE TAKING WITH THOSE LAND USE ALTERNATIVES AS WE PREPARE TO GO INTO A ROUND OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AROUND THOSE ALTERNATIVES. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA DO A BRIEF OVERVIEW, UM, OF THE TWO ITEMS JUST TO KIND OF GET EVERYONE ON THE SAME PAGE. 
          SO FIRST WE'RE GONNA BRIEFLY TOUCH ON THE RECENTLY RELEASED POLICY FRAMEWORKS, LOOKING AT THE PROCESS TO DATE THE INPUTS AND THE NEXT STEPS. 
          AND ONE OF THE THINGS I REALLY WANNA EMPHASIZE, UM, IS THAT WE ARE NOT LOOKING FOR, UM, COUNCIL MEMBERS INDIVIDUAL FEEDBACK ON EVERY INDIVIDUAL FRAMEWORK TONIGHT, UH, BELIEVE IT OR NOT. 
          UM, SO WE ARE HERE TO LET YOU KNOW WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS, AND WE ARE KICKING OFF A ROBUST ENGAGEMENT AND THE FRAMEWORKS, UM, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY, FROM OUR, UM, BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, COMMITTEES, THOSE WILL ALL BE BROUGHT BACK TO THE COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION. 
          SO, UM, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE BOTH THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, UM, DON'T EXPECT KIND OF A DEEP DIVE INTO EVERY SINGLE INDIVIDUAL FRAMEWORK TONIGHT. 
          THAT'S NOT OUR INTENTION. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU GOT IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, REALLY THE MOST SUBSTANTIVE PART OF OUR CONVERSATION TONIGHT IS AROUND THE LAND USE ALTERNATIVES. 
          UM, WE'RE FORTUNATE TO HAVE A FULL COMPLIMENT OF OUR CONSULTING TEAM HERE TONIGHT THAT'S GONNA TOUCH ON THAT CONTEXT AND THAT BACKGROUND THAT INFORMED THE LAND USE ALTERNATIVES, UM, AND, UM, THE, THE INPUTS, FLOOD RESILIENCE, UH, FISCAL CONSIDERATION, TRANSPORTATION, LAND USE, ALL THESE THINGS COMING TOGETHER. 
          UM, AND THEN, UM, RON AND TROY ARE GONNA PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE AREAS OF CHANGE THAT HAVE REALLY BEEN THE FOCUS OF OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE GENERAL PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND THE PLANNING MORE RECENTLY, THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          UM, AND THEN WE WILL PROVIDE, UM, AN AREA BY AREA DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATIONS, UM, FOR EACH OF THOSE AREAS. 
          WHAT WE ARE ASKING FROM THE CITY COUNCIL IN ADDITION TO JUST RECEIVING THIS UPDATE IS THERE'S A COUPLE KEY QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE FOR THE COUNCIL THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE TOUCH ON BEFORE WE GO INTO A ROBUST COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PROCESS WITH THESE, UH, LAND USE ALTERNATIVES. 
          AND IT'S REALLY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING IN A DIRECTION THAT THE COUNCIL DOESN'T, DOESN'T SUPPORT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE GOING WITH SOME PRETTY DEFINITIVE, UM, LAND 
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USE CONCEPTS TO DEINTENSIFY CERTAIN RIVER ADJACENT AREAS, BUT THAT ALSO MEANS INTENSIFYING IN SOME COMBINATION IN OTHER AREAS. 
          AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE, ARE THESE THE RIGHT AREAS TO BE TALKING WITH THE COMMUNITY ABOUT? ARE THESE, YOU KNOW, THE RIGHT, UM, DISCUSSION TOPICS AND TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON THAT. 
          NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          SO, TOUCHING SPECIFICALLY ON THE FRAMEWORKS, UH, ONE BACK, ONE SLIDE. 
          I'M LIKE, WOW, RON, THAT'S REALLY FAST. 
          UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, UM, THE FRAMEWORKS ARE TECHNICAL DOCUMENTS ON 14 TOPICAL AREAS. 
          13 OF THOSE FRAMEWORKS HAVE BEEN RELEASED PUBLICLY RELEASED TO DATE WITH OUR, UM, FLOOD RESILIENCY BEING THE MOST RECENT THAT WAS RELEASED LAST WEEK. 
          THE 14TH WILL BE THE LAND USE FRAMEWORK, WHICH IS GOING TO BE RELEASED THIS SUMMER, UM, WITH THE PREFERRED LAND USE ALTERNATIVE. 
          UM, THE TWO OF THEM, IT, THERE WAS A SYNERGY TO LOOKING AT THE TWO OF THEM TOGETHER, SO THAT WILL BE THE 14TH. 
          BUT I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT EACH OF THESE FRAMEWORKS WON'T NECESSARILY BE AN ELEMENT OF THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          THEY'RE NOT, IT'S NOT JUST TAKING THAT AND, AND PUTTING IT IN AS AN ELEMENT. 
          SO A LOT OF THE, THE NARRATIVE, THE, UM, INSPIRATIONAL NARRATIVE THAT GOES INTO A GENERAL PLAN THAT'S YET TO COME. 
          SO WE DID GET THAT COMMENT WHEN WE TALKED WITH THE, WITH THE GPAC IS KIND OF LIKE, WELL, WHERE'S, WHERE'S THE OOMPH? WHERE'S THE, UM, THE, THE ENERGY AROUND THAT? AND IN ALL HONESTY, THESE FRAMEWORKS, THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF INFORMATION, A LOT OF TECHNICAL INFORMATION, BUT THEY WILL BE WOVEN INTO A GENERAL PLAN THAT THEN BRINGS THOSE OTHER PIECES TOGETHER. 
          UM, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          THIS DIAGRAM, ALTHOUGH VERY SMALL UP ON THE SCREEN, BUT IT, IT, THE OCTOPUS ARMS ARE THE 14 DIFFERENT TOPICAL FRAMEWORKS. 
          UM, ALONG THE TOP. 
          THOSE ARE THE INPUTS, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WERE CONSIDERED AND INFORMED, UH, EACH OF THESE FRAMEWORKS. 
          SO OUR HOUSING ELEMENT, THE EXISTING CONDITION REPORTS THAT WE DID AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS PROCESS, THE VISION AND GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT THE GPAC, UM, DRAFTED AND THE COUNCIL ACCEPTED THE BLUEPRINT, THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN, AND THEN OF COURSE THE INPUT FROM OUR GENERAL PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE, OUR COMMUNITY, OUR STAFF, AND OUR CONSULTANTS. 
          SO IT'S ALL OF THAT, UM, INFORMATION AND INPUTS COME TOGETHER TO DEVELOP THOSE DRAFT POLICY, UM, FRAMEWORK. 
          SO, UM, JUST REALLY EMPHASIZING THAT AND EMPHASIZING ALL OF THOSE INPUTS AND THEN THE, THE PROCESS AHEAD OF US. 
          SO GETTING INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY, FROM OUR CCBS, UM, TO UPDATE AND EVOLVE THOSE INTO FINAL FRAMEWORKS, WHICH WILL INFORM THAT DRAFT GENERAL PLAN. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO AGAIN, 14 FRAMEWORKS 13 HAVE NOW BEEN PUBLICLY RELEASED. 
          THEY ARE ALL AVAILABLE ON THE WEBSITE PLAN PETALUMA.ORG. 
          AND THERE IS NOW, UM, A COMMENT FORM LINKED TO EACH OF THEM SO THAT MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, UM, MEMBERS OF CCBS THAT MAYBE ARE FOCUSING ON ONE OR TWO OF THE FRAMEWORKS, BUT WANT TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE AN INPUT ON HISTORIC RESOURCES, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE ON, UH, YOU KNOW, THE PAC, UM, THEY CAN GO AND, AND MAKE COMMENTS ON ANY OF THE FRAMEWORKS. 
          SO THAT IS ALL UP AND LINKED AND AVAILABLE, UM, ON THE PLAN PETALUMA.ORG WEBSITE. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          UM, AND THEN THIS IS JUST A LITTLE BIT OF AN OVERVIEW OF, UM, THE FRAMEWORKS AND REALLY, UM, THE PURPOSE IS TO START OUTLINING THOSE GENERAL PLAN GOALS, POLICIES, IMPLEMENTATION. 
          SO THINKING OF IT AS THE GOAL BEING THAT GENERAL STATEMENT THAT EXPRESSES WHERE, WHERE WE WANT TO BE, WHAT OUR OUTCOME IS, THOSE POLICIES THAT ARE STATEMENTS OF INTENT OR DIRECTION TOWARDS ACHIEVING THAT GOAL. 
          AND THEN THOSE ACTIONS BEING THOSE SPECIFIC THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA PUT INTO PLACE, UM, TO IMPLEMENT THOSE POLICY. 
          UM, SO THESE WILL 
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CONTINUE TO BE REFINED AND EXPANDED IN RESPONSE TO FEEDBACK ON THE DRAFT FRAMEWORKS. 
          WE GO TO OUR FIRST CCBS ON WEDNESDAY. 
          UM, AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE, THE QUESTIONS WE'RE ASKING EACH OF THE CCBS IS, IS THERE SOMETHING MISSING? DID, IS THERE AN IMPORTANT GOAL OR POLICY IN, IN THIS SPECIFIC TOPIC THAT WE, THAT WE DIDN'T TOUCH ON? SO THESE ARE STILL EVOLVING. 
          UM, AND, AND THAT FEEDBACK WILL EVOLVE, UM, THOSE FRAMEWORKS INTO THEIR FINAL FORM. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          UH, I TOUCHED ON THIS POINT ALREADY, BUT THESE WILL INFORM THE GENERAL PLAN, BUT THEY ARE NOT JUST, UH, AN, UH, AUTOMATIC ELEMENT IN THE GENERAL PLAN IN THEIR CURRENT FORM. 
          SO WE MAY, UH, DECIDE TO CHANGE THE ORGANIZATION. 
          WE MAY DECIDE THAT SOMETHING WAS IN ONE FRAMEWORK, BUT WHEN WE GO TO OUTLINE THE ELEMENTS THAT WE MOVE IT, WE MAY, UM, WE ARE GOING TO ADD THAT COMPELLING HOLISTIC INTEGRATION, UM, INTO THE NARRATIVE OF THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY THAT WE ARE ALSO LOOKING FOR THIS GENERAL PLAN TO BE A DIGITAL GENERAL PLAN. 
          SO THAT EASY ACCESS, UM, EASY UPDATE THAT EVOLUTION, WE WANNA BE ABLE TO GO BACK IN FIVE YEARS, HOW ARE WE DOING, WHAT HAS CHANGED, UM, AND KEEP IT CURRENT. 
          UM, AND WE ALSO WILL BE WORKING ON, UM, IMPLEMENTATION PLAN. 
          SO VERY SPECIFICALLY RECOGNIZING THAT ACTION MATRIX IN TERMS OF WHO'S GONNA DO IT AND IN WHAT TIMEFRAME AND WHAT THE ROLES ARE FOR NOT ONLY THE CITY, THE COMMUNITY, OUR, OUR STAKEHOLDERS, UM, AND TRACKING THAT PROGRESS. 
          SO A LOT TO COME WHEN THESE FRAMEWORKS GET FOLDED IN AND EVOLVED INTO THAT GENERAL PLAN DRAFT. 
          SO AS I MENTIONED, WE ARE KICKING OFF, UH, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AROUND THESE FRAMEWORKS. 
          SO WE ARE GOING TO EACH OF THE CCBS, UM, STARTING WITH A JOINT MEETING OF, UH, PAC AND TRANSIT ON WEDNESDAY AND THE AIRPORT COMMISSION ON THURSDAY. 
          UM, SO WE'VE GOT A PRETTY AGGRESSIVE SCHEDULE TO, UM, GO TO ALL OF THE, THE RELATED CCBS, SOME OF THEM MORE THAN ONCE IF THEY'RE LOOKING AT THREE, FOUR, UM, OF THE DIFFERENT FRAMEWORKS. 
          UM, THE FRAMEWORKS WERE REALLY TIED TO WHAT THAT CCBS PURVIEW IS, THEIR FOCUS. 
          UM, AND IT'S, IT'S TO ALLOW THE EXPERTS IN SPECIFIC TOPICS TO DO THE DEEP DIVE. 
          UM, SUCH AS, UM, OUR HISTORIC AND CULTURAL PRESERVATION COMMITTEE LOOKING SPECIFICALLY AT THE HISTORIC RESOURCE FRAMEWORK. 
          UM, AND SO THAT TRANSIT ISN'T LOOKING AT THAT NECESSARILY. 
          THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE MOBILITY FRAMEWORK AND REALLY FOCUSING ON THAT. 
          UM, WE ARE ALSO EXCITED FOR AN UPCOMING COMMUNITY EVENT PLAN FEST ON MAY 11TH, UM, NINE TO TWO AT THE FAIRGROUNDS, WHICH WE WILL HAVE STATIONS FOR EACH OF THE FRAMEWORKS, UH, WITH, UH, CONSULTANTS, THE PRIMARY AUTHORS OF THE FRAMEWORKS, AS WELL AS STAFF THAT WORKED CLOSELY TO REVIEW AND, UM, TO DISCUSS AS WELL AS OUR GPAC MEMBERS. 
          SO WE HOPE PEOPLE WILL SHOW UP, UM, COME OUT, PROVIDE INPUT. 
          IT IS NOT A NINE TO TWO STRAIGHT THROUGH, YOU DON'T HAVE TO COMMIT TO FIVE HOURS. 
          IT'S AN OPEN HOUSE. 
          SO COME IN, STOP AT THE, UM, STATIONS THAT MOST INTEREST YOU COME FOR LUNCH. 
          UM, KID ACTIVITIES COME FIRST THING IN THE MORNING AND ENJOY COFFEE. 
          UM, BUT PLEASE COME AND JOIN US. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          UM, JUST BACK TO, I, I ALREADY MENTIONED THIS, BUT ON OUR PLAN PETALUMA.ORG WEBSITE, UH, THE PROJECT WEBSITE HAS EACH OF THE FRAMEWORK TOPICS AND LINKS TO THE COMPLETE POLICY FRAMEWORKS AND THERE ARE EMBEDDED ONLINE FEEDBACK FORMS. SO WE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM EVERYONE WHO IS INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING IN THIS PROCESS. 
          OUR GOAL IS FOR THE GENERAL PLAN TO BE, UM, A VISION FOR EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WANTED TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROCESS. 
          SO, UM, WE WOULD LOVE YOUR INPUT. 
          AND I THINK 
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THAT IS IT FOR THIS SEGMENT. 
          SO I AM HERE AND OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COUNCIL MAY HAVE IN TERMS OF WHAT ARE THE FRAMEWORKS, WHAT WENT INTO THEM, AND WHO'S REVIEWING THEM THAT CAN HELP IN THIS PROCESS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UH, WE VERY MUCH NEEDED THAT STATUS UPDATED. 
          I APPRECIATE YOU KEEPING US ON TARGET FOR THE LONG HAUL. 
          UM, MY FIRST QUESTION IS, IS, UH, CAN A COUNCIL MEMBER PROVIDE FEEDBACK, UH, CONCURRENT WITH THIS, THE, UH, CCBS OR ARE WE WAITING UNTIL THE END? IS THAT A LEGAL QUESTION OR IS THAT A PLANNING QUESTION? UH, I, I BELIEVE THAT EACH OF THE, UM, COUNCIL MEMBERS HAS, WE'VE DISTRIBUTED A FEEDBACK FORM, IS THAT CORRECT, PEGGY? YEAH. 
          UM, THE FEEDBACK FORM, THE SAME FEEDBACK FORM THAT IS UP ON THE WEBSITE AND THAT EACH OF THE CCBS TO HELP ALL OF YOU, UM, AS YOU'RE READING THOSE AND, AND WE WILL ACCEPT THOSE. 
          UH, BUT YOU WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THOSE, UH, I THINK WHAT LATE SUMMER, RON, WHEN WE BRING THEM BACK, THE FRAMEWORKS BACK WITH THE ADDITIONAL INPUT FROM THE OUTREACH. 
          SO WE FELT LIKE THE COUNCIL VERY WELL WOULD WANT TO HEAR WHAT THE CCB SAID, WHAT THE COMMUNITY SAID TO INCORPORATE BEFORE YOU GAVE US YOUR COUNCIL COMMENTS. 
          THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE THOUGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I'LL JUST ADD FOR THE LEGAL PART OF THAT ANSWER, UM, I WORRY ABOUT COUNCIL MEMBERS, A MAJORITY OF THEM FILLING OUT A FORM AND SUBMITTING IT TO STAFF. 
          'CAUSE THAT COULD BECOME A SERIAL MEETING. 
          SO, UM, CERTAINLY THE, THE ORGANIZATION SO THAT THE SUBORDINATE BODIES PROVIDE ADVICE AND RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COUNCIL, WHICH IS THEIR JOB ANYWAY BEFORE THE COUNCIL CAN WEIGH IN. 
          TAKING THAT INTO THE ACCOUNT TO THE EXTENT THEY WISH IS GREAT. 
          UM, BUT I THINK THAT, I THINK BEST IS GONNA BE FOR THE COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, HAVING, HAVING, HAVING, HAVING HAD ALL THAT INPUT TO CONFER IN, IN PUBLIC AS YOU ARE NOW, UM, SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE PROBLEM OF, OF, YOU KNOW, MAJORITY OF COUNCIL BASICALLY WEIGHING IN OR, AND STAFF KNOWING, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE, WHAT, WHAT A MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL THINKS WITHOUT US HAVING, YOU KNOW, HAD PUBLIC DELIBERATION. 
          SO, SO, AND IF THERE ARE MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, WE CAN ADDRESS 'EM SUBSEQUENTLY, BUT I JUST, I WOULD CARE ABOUT THAT. 
          WELL, THAT KIND OF CONFUSED ME. 
          I THINK THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT ANSWERS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND ERIC, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT MOST OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE HAPPENING IN MY ONE-ON-ONES WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          AND I STILL HAVE THOSE BOOK ISSUES. 
          I'M SORRY, HE STILL HAVE SPOKE ISSUE. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, UM, THE TWO WAYS SERIAL MEETINGS CAN HAPPEN IS WHEN, UM, UM, IN, IN LINEAR FASHION, WHEN COUNCIL MEMBER A SPEAKS TO COUNCIL MEMBER B SPEAKS TO COUNCIL MEMBER C, WHEN THEY GET, IN OUR CASE TO COUNCIL MEMBER D THE FOURTH COUNCIL MEMBER, THAT'S THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL. 
          AND WE HAVE A SERIAL MEETING, UM, THAT HAPPENED AWAY FROM THE PUBLIC, WHICH IS PROHIBITED. 
          THE OTHER WAY IT CAN HAPPEN IS WHERE COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE PROVIDING INPUT, UM, OFTEN TO A STAFF MEMBER SUCH THAT, UM, STAFF KNOW AWAY FROM A PUBLIC MEETING WHAT A MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL FEELS ON AN ISSUE THAT'S IN THEIR SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION. 
          UM, ONE WAY COMMUNICATION HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. 
          THE COUNCIL RECEIVES MEMOS, AGENDA, MATERIALS, ET CETERA. 
          IT'S, IT'S THE COUNCIL COMMUNICATIONS AMONG EACH OTHER OR TO STAFF WHERE THAT COMMUNICATION REPRESENTS FEEDBACK FROM MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL THAT WE HAVE A PROBLEM. 
          SO, SO AGAIN, UM, ALL THE INFORMATION GOING TO THE COUNCIL, INPUT FROM STAFF, FROM THE CONSULTANT TEAM, FROM THE SUBORDINATE BODIES. 
          GREAT. 
          UM, I JUST, I, I CAUTION US ABOUT HOW WE RETRIEVE THE COUNCIL FEEDBACK. 
          UM, AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT FURTHER TO HELP, YOU KNOW, STRUCTURE THAT IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS. 
          WELL, I, I, I WOULD LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, A FURTHER CLARIFICATION ON THAT. 
          UM, IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE DIRECTING TO STAFF WOULD BE THE WRONG ANSWER, DIRECTING COMMENT, DIRECT TO STAFF. 
          SO CAN WE DIRECT IT TO THE CCB? SO, OR WHO CAN WE, WHO CAN WE RESPOND TO INITIATE AN EMAIL TO? WELL, SO REMEMBER THIS, UM, WE'RE LEADING UP TO, UM, THE CONSTITUTION OF THE CITY'S, UM, LAND USE THAT'S GOING TO COME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ULTIMATELY FOR A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL AND ACTION. 
          SO IT'S QUINTESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, ONE OF YOUR MOST IMPORTANT 
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POLICY DELIBERATIONS THAT YOU'RE GONNA MAKE. 
          UM, AND SO IT'S, IT'S A CORE SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND YOUR DELIBERATIONS ABOUT IT. 
          NOT YOUR PRIVATE, NOT YOUR THINKING, NOT YOUR UPLOADING, BUT YOUR DELIBERATIONS ABOUT IT, AT LEAST AMONG THE MAJORITY HAVE TO BE RIGHT HERE. 
          SO, SO QUESTIONS ARE OKAY, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, OPINION ARE, OPINION TO WHERE YOU'D LAND MIGHT BE REGARDED. 
          PART QUESTIONS ARE GREAT, LISTENING IS GREAT DIRECTION, UM, IS INADVISABLE BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S LIKELY GIVEN THE STRUCTURE THAT IT'S GONNA COME FROM MAJORITY ON AT LEAST ONE TOPIC. 
          YEAH. 
          MY CONCERN IS, OF COURSE, THAT EARLY AND SIGNIFICANT EFFORT CREATES 90% OF THE POLICY AND THEN A, UH, A COUNCIL MEMBER SAYING, WELL, YOU KNOW, I'D HAVE GONE A LITTLE LEFT ON RIGHT ON THAT. 
          WELL, WELL, SO, UM, IT'S HARDER TO FIX AT THE END. 
          SURE. 
          BECAUSE YOU DON'T, YOU KNOW, AND WE ENCOUNTER THAT ALL THE TIME. 
          STAFF HAVE THE SAME ISSUE SOMETIMES WANTING TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE THIS EARLY CONNECTION WITH THE COUNCIL SO THAT WE HAVE CLEAR DIRECTION, WE'RE OFF AND MOVING, AND YOU DON'T WANT TO TRY TO CATCH A RUNNING TRAIN OR WHEN THINGS YOU'RE AFRAID TO COMPLETE, THAT'S NOT YOUR ROLE. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S USURPING YOUR ROLE. 
          MAKES PERFECT SENSE. 
          SO, I DON'T KNOW. 
          SO THESE ARE NOT, IT'S NOT DIRECTION THAT WE'RE RECEIVING FROM COUNCIL. 
          THIS IS QUESTIONS, CLARIFICATIONS, WHERE IS THIS ITEM? IS IT MISSING FROM THE RIGHT? THAT'S A GREAT DISTINCTION. 
          I THINK THAT CLARIFIES IT. 
          QUESTIONS ARE GREAT. 
          QUESTIONS ARE GREAT. 
          BUT I HEARD THE MAYOR SAY, REFER TO DIRECTION. 
          NO DIRECTION. 
          OKAY. 
          NO DIRECTIONS BEEN RECEIVED, ERIC. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND MY OTHER QUESTION WAS,  IS, UH, IMPLEMENTATION INCLUDE THE FUNDING FOR AN ITEM IN A, YOU KNOW, IN ONE OF THESE YOU MENTIONED THE THINGS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN IMPLEMENTATION IS FUNDING SOURCE OR IDENTIFYING FUNDING FOR AN ACTION PART OF WHAT EACH OF THESE FRAMEWORKS WILL DO. 
          DO YOU WANNA, I'M GONNA LET RON JUMP INTO THAT. 
          UH, GOOD EVENING COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          I'M RON WHITMORE. 
          I'M A PRINCIPAL WITH REAMING ASSOCIATES, ONE OF ERIC'S COLLEAGUES, UM, AND PROJECT MANAGER FOR PETALUMA'S GENERAL PLAN UPDATE. 
          IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE WITH YOU TONIGHT. 
          UM, IT CERTAINLY CAN. 
          UM, THERE CURRENTLY, I BELIEVE ARE 400 POLICIES. 
          I HAVEN'T ENCOUNTERED THE ACTIONS, BUT IT COULD BE QUITE A LARGE NUMBER. 
          IT WOULD BE QUITE AN UNDERTAKING TO IDENTIFY A SPECIFIC DEFINITIVE FUNDING OR FINANCING SOURCE FOR EVERY ONE OF THEM. 
          BUT THAT WOULD BE USEFUL DIRECTION TO GET FROM COUNCIL AT THIS STAGE OR AT THIS STAGE WHEN THE FRAMEWORKS COME BACK TO YOU AFTER GETTING PUBLIC COMMENT SO THAT WE KNOW THAT THAT'S PART OF OUR CHARGE MOVING FORWARD. 
          UM, THERE IS A, UM, THERE'S A, CERTAINLY A FISCAL QUESTION BEING CONSIDERED, CERTAINLY AS PART OF LAND USE ALTERNATIVES. 
          UM, BUT THERE ISN'T CURRENTLY A SPECIFIC FUNDING AND FINANCING PLAN SCOPED IN THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          BUT AGAIN, IF THAT'S WHAT THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO SEE AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE COULD MAKE ADJUSTMENTS. 
          SO, YEAH, I, I KIND OF, ONE OF THE WORST PHRASES, UH, IN ENGLISH LANGUAGE, WELL, IT COULD , YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT WILL. 
          UM, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE, IF WE PROMISED, UH, UH, TO HAVE A HUNDRED MILES OF, UH, BICYCLING, UH, LANE OR PATH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT WE DON'T IMPLEMENT A FUNDING SOURCE FROM IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A CLEAR DISTINCTION BETWEEN WILL DO AND MIGHT DO. 
          NO FUNDING MEANS YOU MIGHT DO IT. 
          UM, SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE, YOU KNOW, PROCESS WITH FUNDING AND REALITIES IN MIND. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IT'S, I KNOW IT'S JUST AN OVERVIEW AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE O THE OVERVIEW. 
          WELL, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER NOW, UM, JUST FOR, FOR HEATHER, YOU SAID THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE QUESTIONS FOR THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          DID I MISS THOSE QUESTIONS? YOU HAD SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR IT? OH, THAT IS, UH, RELATED TO THE LAND USE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALTERNATIVES. 
          THE NEXT PORTION OF THE, OF THE PRESENTATION. 
          AND THAT WILL BE THIS SUMMER? NO, THAT'LL BE TONIGHT. 
          OH, THAT IS TONIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          'CAUSE THAT FRAMEWORK WON'T BE AVAILABLE UNTIL THIS SUMMER. 
          WE COULDN'T READ IT IN ADVANCE. 
          THE, THE LAND USE FRAMEWORK. 
          YEAH, THE LAND USE FRAMEWORK WILL BE OUT IN, IN THE SUMMER. 
          THE DISCUSSION, THE NEXT PART OF THE DISCUSSION IS AROUND THE LAND USE ALTERNATIVES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE AREAS OF CHANGE. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE THOSE KEY QUESTIONS THAT WERE UP ON THE SCREEN WILL COME INTO PLAY AS PART OF THAT CONVERSATION TONIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I MISUNDERSTOOD. 
          UH, VICE MAYOR SHRIMP. 
          YEAH. 
          I JUST WANT TO, UH, THANK YOU FOR, UM, FOR PUTTING TOGETHER THE, THE FRAMEWORKS, UH, 14 OF THEM. 
          AND, UM, UH, ACTUALLY IT ENDED UP BEING SHORT. 
          I WAS WONDERING WHAT YOU WERE DOING IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS NOW. 
          I KNOW, BUT, UH, A FANTASTIC JOB. 
          I THOUGHT THEY WERE VERY COMPREHENSIVE, UM, BROAD RANGING. 
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UM, AND I JUST WANNA COMPLIMENT YOU ON THE DEPTH THAT YOU HAVE GOTTEN THERE SO FAR ON EVERYTHING. 
          UM, THE ONLY THING I'M GONNA LOOK FORWARD TO IS WHEN THE PUBLIC GETS INVOLVED, WE START FLESHING OUT ALL THE DETAILS OF EACH OF THE ACTION PLANS. 
          SO I'M, UM, SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT HAPPENING, BUT IT'S A REALLY GOOD START. 
          I JUST WANNA COMPLIMENT YOU ON THAT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WELL, LET'S CONTINUE WITH THE QUESTIONS AND, UM, MOVE TO THE, UM, PUBLIC COMMENT, OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          IS THERE ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO, UM, COMMENT ON THIS STATUS UPDATE? AND, UM, I'M LOOKING FOR SOMEONE TO JUMP UP AND FILL OUT A CARD AND RUN TO THE FRONT. 
          I DON'T SEE THAT WE HAVE ANY CARDS CURRENTLY. 
          AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY ANY OF THE EMAILS AS SPECIFICALLY TO THIS ELEMENT. 
          SO WITH THAT, I'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR, UM, COMMENTS BEFORE WE MOVE TO THE NEXT ITEM. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE. 
          YEAH, I ACTUALLY HAD SOME QUESTIONS, UM, AND SOME COMMENTS, BUT, UM, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT, FOR THE PLAN FEST THAT'S COMING UP, WHAT WE'RE DOING TO SPREAD THE WORD AND GET PEOPLE THERE AND, UM, HOW WE'RE, HOW WE'RE INTENDING TO GET PEOPLE TO SHOW UP? SO WE'VE DONE, UM, SOCIAL MEDIA BOOSTS. 
          UM, WE'VE DONE THE COMMUNITY, UM, COMMUNITY NEWSLETTER, UM, THAT WE DO. 
          WE HAVE DONE AN EMAIL TO EVERYONE ON OUR GENERAL PLAN LISTSERV, IF YOU WILL. 
          WE HAVE SENT THAT SAME EMAIL OUT TO CCB LIAISONS TO PUSH OUT TO THE CCB AS WELL AS TO, UM, GPAC MEMBERS, UM, TO HELP GET THE WORD OUT. 
          AND WE HAVE ALSO PASSED THAT INFORMATION ON TO COMMUNITY PARTNERS TO HIT THEIR, THEIR, UM, THEIR EMAIL LISTS. 
          UM, AND I'LL JUST ADD TO THAT, UM, UH, WE'VE BEEN MEETING MONTHLY WITH OUR GENERAL PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE, UM, AND WE TRULY DO, UM, BELIEVE IN THEIR ABILITY, UH, TO BE AMBASSADORS FOR THE WORK. 
          AND SO THERE WAS A LOT OF THOUGHTFULNESS THAT THE COUNCIL PUT INTO ASSEMBLING THE GPAC, UH, WITH DIFFERENT LIVED EXPERIENCES, DIFFERENT, UM, SPECIALTIES AND DIFFERENT CONNECTIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM OVER THE, THE PAST COUPLE MONTHS AS WE'RE DISCUSSING THE FRAMEWORKS. 
          UM, AND REALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, BUILDING UP THEIR CAPACITY TO BE AMBASSADORS, NOT JUST TO PARTICIPATE AND SHOW UP, UM, THE DAY OF, BUT ALSO, UM, PUSH THIS OPPORTUNITY FOR THEIR MEMBERS AND THEIR NEIGHBORS, UM, TO COME AND ENGAGE IN THIS PROCESS. 
          AND THEN IS THERE GONNA BE ANY, LIKE YOU MENTIONED, CHILDREN'S ACTIVITIES, ANY FREE FOOD OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? YES, THERE WILL BE TACOS. 
          THERE WILL BE COFFEE. 
          UH, THERE WILL BE A, UM, HANDS ON, UM, CHILDREN'S ART, UM, STATION FOR THEM. 
          UM, YEAH, THERE WILL BE PRIZES. 
          ALRIGHT, I'M GONNA, AND THEN, SO I'LL CIRCLE BACK WITH COMMENTS ON THAT, AND THEN I'M GONNA ASK A QUESTION IN THE FRAMEWORKS BUILDING ON SORT OF THE, LIKE, I'M NOT LOOKING FOR A FUNDING MECHANISM FOR EVERY POLICY OR ACTION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO LIKE, UM, A GENERAL LIKE, FINANCIAL STRATEGY FOR THE CITY BECAUSE LIKE, WHERE WE'VE GOT, WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW IS LIKE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF DEFERRED INVESTMENT IN OUR FACILITIES, INFRASTRUCTURE, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND, UM, I THINK FOR THE NEXT 20 TO 30 YEARS, WE WANT TO BE, WE WANT TO HAVE A, A FINANCIAL STRATEGY THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, UPS THE GAME ON ROADS, RIGHT? THE MAYOR TALKS ABOUT OUR, OUR, OUR ROAD INDEX AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          I JUST, UM, IT WOULD BE GOOD, LIKE WHEN I READ THROUGH LIKE EVERY ONE OF THESE THINGS, I'M THINKING LIKE, WHAT'S THE ACTUAL STRATEGY? BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE SEEING THE END OF CALIFORNIA STATE BUDGET ISSUES. 
          UM, AND I THINK WE'RE GONNA NEED MORE FINANCIAL SUSTAINABILITY AND INDEPENDENCE LOCALLY EVENT IN THE FUTURE. 
          UM, AND I WOULD LIKE US TO JUST SORT OF BE REALLY THOUGHTFUL ABOUT, UM, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AS WE'RE DOING THIS PLAN. 
          'CAUSE IT'S NOT JUST A LAND USE PLAN, IT'S ALSO A, A FINANCIAL SECURITY AND, UM, QUALITY OF LIFE PLAN AS WELL. 
          UM, SO THAT'S, I'LL JUST JUMP IN WITH THAT COMMENT. 
          AND THEN MY OTHER COMMENT ON THE OUTREACH IS, UM, FLYERS, UM, EMPHASIZING ACTIVITIES 
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FOR KIDS AT THE FAIRGROUNDS. 
          FREE FOOD FREE TACOS FREE COFFEE, UM, LIKE, YOU KNOW, NOT, NOT LIKE BURYING THAT WITH LIKE THE LEVEL 14 FONT, BUT MAKING IT LIKE THE LEVEL 50 FONT. 
          UM, THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE LIKE GET THERE FOR. 
          AND JUST LIKE FLYERS PUT UP DOWNTOWN ON, UM, NEWSPAPER STANDS TAPED UP. 
          UM, I'VE DONE THAT IN THE, THE PAST AND IT'S PRETTY REMARKABLE HOW MANY PEOPLE WILL, UM, ADD THOSE THINGS TO THEIR CALENDARS OR SEND AN EMAIL FROM THOSE THINGS. 
          UM, PUTTING 'EM UP ON THE BULLETIN BOARDS AT SCHOOLS, UM, TO TRY AND GET TO PARENTS BECAUSE, UM, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING, UM, EVEN HAVING THE SCHOOLS PUT IT OUT THROUGH THEIR NEWSLETTERS AND THINGS OF IT. 
          WE DID DO THAT. 
          WE SENT IT TO ADMINISTRATORS AND TEACHERS AT THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS. 
          OF COURSE YOU DID. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, AND THEN THE FINAL ONE IS TEXT BANKING. 
          UM, IT'S A REALLY, REALLY COMMON, I MEAN, I THINK EVERYBODY RIGHT HERE IS GETTING, YOU KNOW, HIT WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, DONATE NOW LET'S GET, YOU KNOW, GET WHOEVER BACK INTO OFFICE. 
          BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, COME PLAN THE VI YOU KNOW, FUTURE OF YOUR CITY. 
          YOU KNOW, THIS DAY AT THE FAIRGROUNDS IS A SIMPLE TEXT BANK. 
          I THINK IT COSTS LIKE 8 CENTS PER, PER TEXT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, WITH ONE OF THOSE THINGS YOU CAN REACH EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THE CITY TO JUST LET THEM KNOW. 
          AND IT'S, UM, A PRETTY COST EFFECTIVE WAY OF GETTING THE WORD OUT. 
          UM, AND THEN THE FINAL THING IS JUST, UM, I WAS TALKING TO SOMEONE AND THEY JUST SAID LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE GENERAL PLAN IS, AND I DON'T THINK ANYONE KNOWS WHAT THE GENERAL PLAN IS, AND IF THERE'S SOME WAY, AND I DON'T, LIKE, WE'VE GOT A BIG COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT BUDGET. 
          JUST GETTING PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE HELL THE GENERAL PLAN IS AND WHY IT'S IMPORTANT. 
          UM, I THINK THERE'S SOME SORT OF BASE LEVEL EDUCATION THAT WE STILL NEED TO DO OF, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE EVEN JUST RUNNING PAID ADS ON SOCIAL MEDIA SAYING LIKE, WHAT'S THE GENERAL PLAN AND WHY IS IT IMPORTANT READ HERE? AND JUST HAVING A REALLY DIGESTIBLE FIVE SLIDE POWERPOINT ON IT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR THE AVERAGE PERSON. 
          WE USE SO MUCH JARGON IN PLANNING THAT IF WE CAN JUST BREAK IT DOWN FOR A NORMAL PERSON, I THINK THAT IT COULD, UM, START TO MAKE THESE TOPICS A LOT MORE ACCESSIBLE. 
          YEAH. 
          WE DID A, UM, A SPIA, UM, IN THE NEWSPAPER. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THE, LIKE THE LITTLE INSERT, THE INSERT OR THE HALF SHEET, YOU KNOW, ON THE, ON THE FRONT. 
          WE DID THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS PROCESS AND WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT REDOING THAT AND IT WAS THAT KIND OF, THIS IS WHAT IT IS. 
          THAT KIND OF, TO YOUR POINT. 
          SO GOOD FEEDBACK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN I THINK JUST A LOT OF VISUALS FOR THE, FOR THE PLAN FEST AS WELL. 
          UM, IMAGES OF BUILDINGS, IMAGES OF, YOU KNOW, STREET SCAPES, THINGS LIKE THAT, JUST SO THAT WE GET PEOPLE LIKE IN THE VISIONING MINDSET MM-HMM. 
          , UM, EVEN BLOCKS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR KIDS. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          HAVE FUN WITH IT. 
          THANKS. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          SO, UH, THAT FINISHES THE OVERVIEW OF POLICY FRAMEWORK. 
          UM, I'M SORRY, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER HEALEY. 
          YEAH, JUST VERY BRIEFLY, UM, YOU KNOW, FREE TACOS AND FREE PARKING. 
          UM, I HAD A QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY THOUGH, BECAUSE, UM, YOU'VE RAISED THIS IN DIFFERENT CONTEXTS. 
          SHOULD A MAJORITY OF THE CITY COUNCIL ATTEND THAT PUBLIC MEETING AND PARTICIPATE? OR ARE WE SUPPOSED TO HANG BACK AND LET THE PUBLIC FILTER THINGS THROUGH IT TO US? THIS IS OUR COMMUNITY WORKSHOP. 
          YES. 
          UM, CAN I JUST DO, UH, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'LL DO A QUICK DOUBLE CHECK OF THE BROWN NECK EXCEPTIONS, UM, TO GIVE YOU AN ACCURATE ANSWER. 
          THANKS. 
          OKAY. 
          OR MAYBE TAKE THAT ONE UNDER ADVISEMENT AND REPORT OUT LATER. 
          UM, SO IF, IF WE'RE, UM, WE'RE MOVING, I, I THINK WE'RE MOVING ON PRETTY GOOD. 
          IF YOU GUYS ARE TECHNICALLY READY, CAN WE JUMP INTO THE NEXT SECTION NOW? LET'S DO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          AGAIN, UM, GREAT TO BE HERE TONIGHT. 
          I'M VERY EXCITED TO HAVE COME TO THIS POINT IN THE GENERAL PLANNING PROCESS, WHICH HAVE, AS PEOPLE HAVE NOTED, IS THE, IS THE HEART OF A GENERAL PLAN, THE LAND USE. 
          UM, THIS IS, UH, THE SAME SLIDE THAT 
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HEATHER SHOWED EARLIER, JUST REITERATING FOR YOU THAT WE'RE GONNA SHARE QUITE A BIT OF CONTEXT, UM, ABOUT A LOT OF THE INFORMATION ANALYSIS THAT DROVE, UM, OUR THINKING ABOUT LAND USE, WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE SEVERAL MEMBERS OF OUR TEAM HERE TONIGHT. 
          SO YOU'RE GONNA HEAR FROM SEVERAL OF US ON THESE ISSUES RELATED TO LAND USE, FLOOD RESILIENCE MARKET AND FISCAL CONTEXT AND TRANSPORTATION. 
          AND THEN, UM, TROY IS GONNA DO, WHO'S BEEN THE LEAD ON THIS EFFORT FOR OUR TEAM, IS GONNA DO AN INTRODUCTION TO HOW WE'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT PETALUMA BEING A 15 MINUTE CITY. 
          UM, FAIR PEERS IS GONNA THEN SHARE A BIT ABOUT SOME ACCESSIBILITY ANALYSIS THEY DID RELATED TO THAT, WHICH FURTHER REINFORCED THE DIRECTION WE WERE HEADING. 
          UM, TROY WILL SHARE THE GPAC AND PC F FEEDBACK AND THEN WE'LL GO THROUGH AN AREA BY AREA REVIEW OF SOME OF THE AREAS IN THE CITY WHERE WE'RE THINKING ABOUT, UM, POSSIBLE CHANGES IN LAND USE. 
          NOT GONNA SPEND A WHOLE LOT OF TIME ON SOME OF THESE SLIDES. 
          YOU'RE THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          I THINK YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THE GENERAL PLAN LAND USE DESIGNATIONS ARE ALL ABOUT. 
          I ONLY SHARE THE SLIDE BECAUSE THIS IS REALLY WHAT LAND USE ALTERNATIVE IS ABOUT BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT CONSIDERING CHANGES IN THIS FUNDAMENTAL LAND USE POLICY MAP, WHICH AT ITS CORE DEFINES WHAT USES ARE PERMITTED ACROSS THE CITY AT WHAT, WHAT INTENSITY AND DENSITY, DENSITY BEING THE NUMBER OF HOUSING UNITS PER ACRE INTENSITY BEING THE FAR, THE FLOOR AREA RATIO OR THE NUMBER OF SQUARE FEET PER ACRE OF NON-RESIDENTIAL USES. 
          AND SO LAND USE ALTERNATIVES ARE SIMPLY WAYS OF LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVES TO YOUR CURRENT GENERAL PLAN LAND USE MAP. 
          UM, AND PUT ANOTHER WAY IS IT'S A WAY TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WAYS IN WHICH WE MIGHT ADJUST THAT MAP, WHERE WE MIGHT CHANGE DESIGNATIONS FROM WHAT THEY CURRENTLY ARE, WHERE WE MIGHT INTRODUCE NEW DESIGNATIONS, FOR INSTANCE. 
          NOT GONNA SPEND A WHOLE LOT ON THIS AGAIN, BUT JUST TO REITERATE WHAT HEATHER SAID EARLIER, THIS IS ONE PIECE OF A VERY COMPLEX MIX OF PLANNING ACTIVITIES THAT ARE GOING ON, ALL OF WHICH ARE RELATED AND SELF-REINFORCING. 
          WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR SOME TIME. 
          UM, THIS IS JUST A SHORT SYNOPSIS OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING RECENTLY. 
          WE'RE GONNA SHARE A BIT MORE IN A MINUTE ABOUT ALL THE OTHER INPUTS THAT INFORMED OUR WORK. 
          BUT MOST RECENTLY WE STARTED THINK TALKING ABOUT SPECIFIC AREAS OF CHANGE IN THE CITY, UM, WITH KEY CITY STAFF BACK IN THE FALL. 
          WE THEN HAD TWO SEPARATE MEETINGS WITH THE GPAC FOCUSED SPECIFICALLY ON IDENTIFYING AND MODIFYING DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT AND THE TYPES OF CHANGE TO CONSIDER IN THOSE AREAS. 
          UM, AND THEN WE HAD A VERY SIMILAR DISCUSSION WITH PLANNING COMMISSION EARLIER THIS MONTH WHERE WE ASKED THEM SOME OF THE SAME QUESTIONS WE'RE ASKING YOU TONIGHT, WHICH IS, DO WE HAVE THESE AREAS, RIGHT? UM, AND BECAUSE 'CAUSE WE'RE ABOUT TO GO TO TO THE PUBLIC TO GET INPUT ON THEM, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. 
          UM, AND SO AFTER YOUR DIRECTION TONIGHT, WE THEN DO PLAN ON PREPARING, UH, MATERIALS TO TAKE OUT TO THE BROADER PUBLIC. 
          UM, AS HAS BEEN SUGGESTED. 
          THOSE WILL BE DESIGNED TO BE VERY ENGAGING ACTIVITIES, REALLY GIVING PEOPLE A SENSE OF WHAT THE CHANGE IN LAND USE WOULD LOOK LIKE, HOW IT WOULD IMPACT HOW THEY, UM, THE TYPES OF BUILDINGS THEY SEE AROUND THE CITY, THE TYPES OF HOUSING OPTIONS PEOPLE WOULD HAVE, WHERE DIFFERENT TYPES OF JOBS WOULD LIKELY BE. 
          AND BASED ON THAT INPUT THEN COME BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION WITH WHAT WOULD BE A PROPOSED PREFERRED LAND USE OR PROPOSED NEW GENERAL PLAN, LAND USE MAP, GET PC'S RECOMMENDATION, AND THEN ON BACK TO YOU FOR THAT CRITICAL DECISION OF SELECTING THAT PREFERRED LAND USE ALTERNATIVE, WHAT'S NOT SHOWN ON THE SLIDE, WHICH IS ALSO A CRITICAL POINT. 
          WE'D COME BACK TO GPAC AFTER GETTING ALL THE PUBLIC INPUT BEFORE GOING TO PC AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M GONNA SHARE WITH YOU A A QUICK PREVIEW OF WHERE WE LANDED BEFORE TELLING YOU A BIT ABOUT THE STORY OF HOW WE GOT THERE. 
          BUT I JUST WANNA PREVIEW BEFORE YOU KIND OF WHAT THE BOTTOM LINE IS AND WHAT WE WANT ARE VERY INTERESTED IN GETTING YOUR FEEDBACK ON TONIGHT. 
          UM, SO THIS IN A NUTSHELL IS A SUMMARY OF WHERE WE'RE AT IN OUR THINKING ABOUT HOW TO ADJUST, UM, LAND USE POLICY AS REFLECTED IN A MAP IN PETALUMA. 
          FIRST IS TO SHIFT AWAY SHIFT OF FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AWAY FROM CERTAIN RIVER ADJACENT GREENFIELD AREAS, PARTICULARLY THOSE THAT ARE, THAT ARE NOT YET DEVELOPED AND THAT ARE HIGHLY PRONE TO, UM, FLOODING OR SEA LEVEL RISE BASED ON THE MOST RECENT MODELING. 
          AND THEN TO SHIFT DEVELOPMENT TO THE CORE CENTRAL CORRIDORS, KEY 15 MINUTE CENTERS, THE POTENTIAL CORONA STATION EXPANSION AREA, THEREBY CREATING A 15 MINUTE CITY. 
          NOW PEOPLE OFTEN ASK US, WHAT, WHAT ABOUT THE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS? I DON'T SEE THEM REFLECTED AS AN AREA OF CHANGE ON THIS MAP. 
          AND THAT'S 
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A GREAT QUESTION. 
          IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE GOING TO IGNORE THE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          WE ACTUALLY HAVE A WHOLE SET OF SLIDES TONIGHT WE'D LIKE TO PRESENT TO YOU, GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON. 
          IT'S THAT THEY WE'RE NOT ANTICIPATING LAND USE CHANGE THERE, BUT WE ARE ANTICIPATING OR CONSIDERING A WHOLE RANGE OF POLICIES THAT WOULD HELP THEM DENSIFY POTENTIALLY DI DIVERSIFY IN USES, UM, IMPROVE THE, THE TRAVEL EXPERIENCE FOR PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF MOTOR VEHICLES AND A WHOLE LOT, WHOLE SLEW OF OTHER AMENITIES TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN THOSE AREAS. 
          AND ALSO BRING PEOPLE IN, CLOSER PEOPLE IN THE SERVICES AND AMENITIES THEY NEED ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS CLOSER TO EACH OTHER, UH, TO REDUCE VMT AND TO MAKE FOR MORE COMPLETE COMMUNITIES. 
          SO THESE ARE AGAIN, THE TWO QUESTIONS WE REALLY HAVE FOR YOU TONIGHT. 
          YOU'RE GONNA HEAR THIS SEVERAL TIMES 'CAUSE WE WANNA TRY TO KEEP OURSELVES FOCUSED. 
          BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY TONIGHT, BEFORE WE PROCEED WITH PREPARING TO TAKE THIS OUT TO THE PUBLIC, WANNA SEE WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH THE CITYWIDE CONCEPT THAT WE'RE INTRODUCING AND CLARIFY FOR US WHETHER YOU THINK WE'RE FOCUSING ON THE RIGHT AREAS, AND CERTAINLY IF WE'RE MISSING ANY AREAS WHERE YOU THINK WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING CHANGE IN LAND USE POLICY. 
          JUST AS A PREVIEW, THESE ARE THE SORTS OF QUESTIONS WE THEN PLAN ON TAKING TO THE PUBLIC. 
          AGAIN, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR YOUR RESPONSE TO THESE TONIGHT. 
          I JUST WANNA GIVE YOU A SENSE OF WHAT TYPES OF QUESTIONS WE'RE GONNA GO TO THE PUBLIC WITH QUESTIONS AROUND HOW MUCH DO WE WANNA INTENSIFY AND DEIN DEINTENSIFY DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY? DO WE HAVE THE AREAS RIGHT? WHAT IS THE RIGHT MIX OF USE AND INTENSITY IN EACH AREA? WHAT IS THE RIGHT HEIGHT IN DIFFERENT AREAS? AND THEN IN THE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS, SHOULD WE ALLOW MORE UNITS ON A SINGLE FAMILY LOT? UM, WHAT TYPES OF MIDDENS, MIDDLE DENSITY INFILL WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS? AND THEN HOW MUCH FLEXIBILITY WOULD YOU LIKE TO ALLOW IN LARGELY PRESI RESIDENTIAL AREAS FOR OTHER NON-RESIDENTIAL USES? SO THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS WE HAVE FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          AGAIN, NOT ASKING YOU THESE QUESTIONS TONIGHT, BUT JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF WHAT THE CONVERSATIONS WE EXPECT TO HAVE WITH THE PUBLIC. 
          AND TO GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF JUST ONE VISUAL THAT, THAT WE'VE BEEN USING THAT WE'D LIKELY MODIFY AND USE IN SOME MANNER WITH THE PUBLIC IS GIVE THEM A CLEAR SENSE OF WHAT TYPES OF CHANGE WOULD BE POSSIBLE IN THIS, IN THIS CASE, IT SHOWS EXISTING WITH NO CHANGE AND THEN TWO STEPS OF INTENSIFICATION. 
          AND WE COULD SHOW, WE, WE'D, WE'D ADD TO THIS PROBABLY 3, 3, 3 D MODELS SHOWING HEIGHTS THAT WOULD BE LIKELY GIVE PEOPLE A SENSE OF THE REAL MIX OF USE, ET CETERA, TO GIVE 'EM A REAL SENSE OF WHAT THE IMPACTS AND REAL CHA LIVED CHANGES WOULD BE IF WE IN IMPLEMENTED THESE SORTS OF LAND USE POLICY. 
          OKAY, SO THAT'S KINDA THE PREVIEW OF WHERE WE'RE HEADED NOW WE'RE GONNA BACK UP A BIT AND SHARE WITH YOU SOME OF THE FOUNDATIONAL ANALYSIS AND INFORMATION THAT GOT US TO THAT, TO THAT, UH, THAT CONCLUSION, THAT RECOMMENDATION. 
          FIRST, AS HEATHER HIGHLIGHTED EARLIER, WE GOT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF PUBLIC INPUT EARLY ON IN THE PROCESS AND THEY, THEY, THEY PAINTED FOR US A VERY CLEAR PICTURE OF WHAT PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO SEE. 
          THIS IS A, A BULLETED LIST OF, OF ITEMS THAT RELATE SPECIFICALLY TO LAND USE, BUT THESE ARE REALLY ARTICULATED EXTREMELY WELL AND CLEARLY IN THE VISION GUIDING PRINCIPLES AND PILLARS THAT THE GPAC DEVELOPED AND, AND YOU ACCEPTED EARLY ON. 
          BUT THOSE ARE VERY MUCH THE DRIVERS. 
          WE, WE, WE HAD OUR MANDATE CLEARLY DEFINED FOR US. 
          WE ALSO, THROUGH THE EXISTING CONDITIONS WORK, WE'RE CLEAR ABOUT SOME OF THE CONSTRAINTS. 
          PETALUMA LARGELY HAS A PRETTY WELL-DEFINED DEVELOPABLE ENVELOPE BASED ON HAZARD CONSTRAINTS THAT NEED THE DESIRE TO PRESERVE OPEN SPACE AND HABITAT. 
          AND, AND PLUS YOU JUST HAVE A LONG PROGRESSIVE HISTORY OF MAINTAINING A PRETTY STRICT URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY. 
          SO WE KNEW THAT WE WERE WORKING THE, LARGELY THE ENVELOPE THAT WE'RE, WE, WE HAD TO FIT EVERYTHING IN AND, AND, AND FIT ALL FUTURE GROWTH INTO. 
          UM, SO WE BEGAN SKETCHING. 
          WE BEGAN IDENTIFYING PRELIMINARY AREAS OF DISCUSSION. 
          WE ACTUALLY HAD AREA MEETINGS EARLY ON IN THE PROCESS WHERE WE TALKED, UH, WITH FOLKS ABOUT DIFFERENT QUADRANTS IN THE CITY AND THE TYPE OF CHANGE THEY, THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE. 
          AND THIS MAP REFLECTS WHAT WE HEARD INITIALLY FROM FOLKS. 
          WE EVOLVED THAT FURTHER INTO ANOTHER MAP THAT INTEGRATED A LOT OF KEY LAND USE STRATEGIES ALONG WITH OPEN SPACE MOBILITY, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER, AND EVEN SOME INITIAL RESILIENCE STRATEGIES TO KIND OF GET OUR HEADS AROUND, ALL RIGHT, WHEN THIS ALL COMES TOGETHER, WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE? WHERE ARE THE AREAS WHERE WE'RE, WE MIGHT HAVE TO DEAL WITH SOME TRADE-OFFS. 
          UM, KIND OF HOW DOES THE PICTURE FIT TOGETHER AND, AND INCREASINGLY HELP US REFINE WHERE WE MIGHT FOCUS POTENTIAL CHANGES IN LAND USE MAP POLICY. 
          WE DISCUSSED THIS ALL WITH THE, THE GPAC AT LENGTH. 
          IT WAS ALL ALSO AT THE SAME TIME WE WERE CONSIDERING THE HOUSING ELEMENT. 
          WE ALSO PLAYED, UM, WITH SOME WHAT IF SCENARIOS. 
          AND THESE WERE VERY HIGH LEVEL. 
          UM, UH, WE USED A, A SOFTWARE CALLED URBAN FOOTPRINT, WHICH ALLOWS YOU TO PAINT DIGITALLY DIFFERENT POTENTIAL 
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FUTURES. 
          AND SO WE ASSUMED ABOUT 5,000 HOUSING UNITS OF GROWTH OVER THE PLANNING HORIZON. 
          2000 OF THOSE ARE IN THE PIPELINE. 
          SO WE, WE PLAYED WITH DIFFERENT WAYS IN WHICH YOU CAN F FIND, FIND SPACE FOR 3000 HOUSING UNITS IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY. 
          AND WE TRIED TO PURPOSELY PICK DIFFERENT WAYS IN WHICH TO DO THAT. 
          ONE SCENARIO FOCUSED SPECIFICALLY ON PUTTING THE BULK OF IT IN THE CORE OF THE CITY. 
          ANOTHER DISPERSED IT A BID OUT ALONG KEY CORRIDORS. 
          AND THEN WE EVEN RAN ONE SCENARIO WHERE ALL OF THOSE POTENTIAL FUTURE HOUSING UNIT UNITS WENT OUT TO THE CORONA, THE POTENTIAL CORONA UGB UM, UH, EXTENSION AREA. 
          WHAT WAS NEAT IS THAT WE FOUND THAT THE PETALUMA'S FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM IS NOT FINDING ENOUGH SPACE FOR PROJECTED GROWTH. 
          THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT WAYS IN WHICH TO DO THAT. 
          YOUR CHALLENGE IS MAKING SURE YOU'RE, YOU'RE FACILITATING AND CREATING OPPORTUNITIES FOR GROWTH WHERE YOU REALLY WANT IT, WHICH IS A NICE LUXURY TO HAVE. 
          MANY CITIES STRUGGLE WITH JUST FINDING ENOUGH ROOM. 
          PETALUMA HAS THE LUXURY OF REALLY, REALLY BEING ABLE TO DECIDE WHERE FUTURE GROWTH SHOULD GO. 
          AND SO THESE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US COMING UP IN THE, IN THE, IN THESE COMING MONTHS ARE REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT. 
          SO THE CLEARER YOU CAN BE ABOUT WHERE YOU'D PREFER THAT GROWTH TO BE, UH, THE MORE THE GENERAL PLAN CAN REFLECT THAT, THAT PREFERENCE. 
          WE THREW THIS SLIDE IN THERE BECAUSE YES, THE 3000 ONES WAS BASED ON CURRENT DOF AND, UH, PROJECTIONS AS WELL AS, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF MULTIPLYING THE CURRENT ARENA THREE TIMES OUT. 
          BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, NOBODY REALLY KNOWS HOW MUCH GROWTH TO EXPECT. 
          THESE ARE SOME GRAPHS FROM JUST SOME RECENT ANALYSIS SAYING, HEY, WE ACTUALLY MAY NOT GROW ALL THAT MUCH. 
          UM, AND SO THE BOTTOM LINE AGAIN IS TO JUST BE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT. 
          NOBODY KNOWS HOW MUCH YOU'LL REALLY GROW, BUT IF AS LONG AS YOUR LAND USE POLICY AND YOUR LAND USE MAP IS AN ACCURATE REFLECTION OF WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE, THEN, THEN YOU'RE IN GOOD HANDS. 
          UM, WE CAN ADJUST THAT OVER TIME IF THE GROWTH PROJECTIONS END UP BEING DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT. 
          BUT, BUT PLAN FOR WHAT YOU WANT AND DON'T FEEL LIKE YOU NEED TO PLAN FOR AN INFINITE, INFINITE AMOUNT OR EXTREMELY HIGH LEVEL OF POT POTENTIAL FUTURE GROWTH. 
          UM, WE OBVIOUSLY ALSO CONSIDERED THE HOUSING ELEMENT, UM, HELPED US IDENTIFY A LOT OF THE PIPELINE PROJECTS. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, AS YOU KNOW, JUST AFFIRMED THAT THE CITY CURRENTLY HAS SUFFICIENT CAPACITY TO ACCOMMODATE ITS ARENA THROUGH 2031. 
          SO A LOT OF LAND USE CONSIDERATIONS WENT INTO THIS. 
          I'M GONNA SHIFT GEARS A LITTLE BIT AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW THE FLOOD RESILIENCE MODELING AND MAPPING, WHICH I BELIEVE YOU'VE RECEIVED PRESENTATIONS ON RECENTLY ALSO INFORMED OUR THINKING. 
          I KNOW PEOPLE HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS. 
          YOU'RE GONNA SEE ELEMENTS OF FLOOD RESILIENCE AND CLIMATE ADAPTATION A FEW DIFFERENT PLACES. 
          SOME ARE IN THE FLOOD RESILIENCE FRAMEWORK THAT WAS JUST RELEASED THIS WEEK. 
          BUT WE'VE ALSO TALKED WITH THE SHERWOOD TEAM THAT DEVELOPED THAT VERY CLOSELY AS WE'RE DEVELOPING THE LAND USE ALTERNATIVES AND REALLY TRIED TO WORK VERY HARD TO HAVE THEM BE VERY COMPLIMENTARY. 
          UM, AND SO YOU NEED TO KIND OF LOOK AT THE LAND USE ALONG WITH THE FLOOD RESILIENCE FRAMEWORK TO UNDERSTAND THE FULL GAMUT OF STRATEGIES THAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT TO MAKE, TO MAKE SURE PETALUMA IS, UM, CLIMATE ADAPTABLE. 
          SO IT'S GONNA BE VERY HIGH LEVEL. 
          WE CAN TALK ABOUT MORE LATER IF YOU'D LIKE TO, BUT YOU'VE SEEN THIS MAP BEFORE. 
          IT'S THE, THE END OF CENTURY SEA LEVEL RISE PROJECTION OF 3.4 FEET AND WHERE WE ANTICIPATE FLOODING FROM DOWNSTREAM, UM, AND UPSTREAM, UPSTREAM THROUGH, UH, SEA LEVEL RISE EYES. 
          AND THEN BASED ON THAT, WE TALKED THROUGH WITH THE SHERWOOD TEAM AND CAME UP WITH KIND OF A, A FIVE PART HIGH LEVEL APPROACH, IDENTIFYING CERTAIN AREAS BECAUSE OF THE HIGH HAZARD AREA AND BECAUSE THEY'RE CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED AND THERE'S ALSO THE COMMUNITY PRIORITY TO PRESERVE OPEN SPACE, THEN MAY WE JUST WANNA AVOID FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AS BEST WE CAN. 
          KEEP THEM OPEN SPACE, MAKE THEM, UH, AREAS FOR, UM, WILDERNESS, FOR TRAILS FOR RECREATION, UM, BUT ALSO SERVE THAT, UH, ADDITIONAL, UM, SERVICE OF, OF ACCOMMODATING FUTURE FLOODING. 
          THEN THERE'S CERTAIN AREAS, BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST VERY IMPORTANT, EITHER FOR ECONOMIC REASONS OR OR SOCIAL OR EQUITY PURPOSES TO PROTECT, UM, A LOT OF THE ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          OBVIOUSLY YOU WANNA PROTECT PRESUMABLY THE MOBILE HOME PARKS. 
          LIKEWISE. 
          UM, AND WE ASKED BOTH THE GPAC AND THE PC. 
          THIS DIRECTLY IS, YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY THERE ARE SOME PROJECTIONS. 
          THE PROJECTIONS SAY THAT PARTS OF DOWNTOWN AND SOME OF THE OLDER AND FULLY DEVELOPED AND HIGH VALUE PARTS OF THE CITY ARE PROJECTED TO FLOOD. 
          SOME THAT'S ASSUMING NO, UM, FLOOD PROTECTION MEASURES ARE TAKEN. 
          BUT, BUT PE EVERYONE AFFIRMED THAT. 
          YES, IT'S CRITICAL THAT WE, UM, DESPITE THESE PROJECTIONS DO ALL WE CAN TO PROTECT THE CORE, UM, INCLUDING THE DOWNTOWN AREA, THE WAREHOUSE, UH, DISTRICT, ET CETERA. 
          THERE ARE ALSO A FEW PLACES WHERE THERE'S SOME FLOODING ANTICIPATED WHERE WE THINK THROUGH SITE SPECIFIC, UM, ACCOMMODATION OR ADAPTATION THAT, UH, THE FLOOD IMPACTS CAN BE, UM, MITIGATED. 
          UM, AND THEN IN SOME AREAS WHERE YOU MAY ACTUALLY WANNA DEIN INTENSIFY OR NOT, NOT INTENSIFY 
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ANY FURTHER BECAUSE, UM, IT'S NOT CLEAR WHETHER YOU SHOULD, YOU SHOULD NECESSARILY PROTECT THEM, YOU MAY WANNA CONSIDER SOME LAND USE REALIGNMENT. 
          SO WE BEGAN TO THINK ABOUT HOW THOSE DIFFERENT APPROACHES APPLY ACROSS DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE CITY. 
          AND YOU SEE THAT REFLECTED HERE ON A TABLE, UM, SOME, AND IT'S USUALLY A COMBINATION OF STRATEGIES INITIALLY AVOID AND THEN AS NECESSARY REALIGN, FOR INSTANCE, UPSTREAM AND DOWNSTREAM. 
          AND THEN YOU SEE THAT MAPPED ON THIS MAP AS AN EFFORT AT SHOWING HOW THOSE DIFFERENT FLOOD ADAPTATION STRATEGIES APPLY. 
          UM, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT ON, UH, GEOSPATIALLY AND THESE, AND THIS IS REFLECTED IN THAT, THAT FUTURE LAND USE FOCUS MAP THAT'S IN THE SLIDES AND ALSO ON A MAP BEHIND YOU. 
          OKAY, AT THIS POINT I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO DEREK FROM STRATEGIC ECONOMICS, WHO WILL IN TURN TURN IT OVER TO OUR FRIENDS FROM FAIR AND PEERS TO TALK ABOUT TRANSPORTATION ISSUES. 
          AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT LAND USE A BIT MORE, HEAR A BIT MORE FROM FAIR PEERS, AND THEN TAKE A BREAK, I BELIEVE. 
          THANKS RON. 
          AS RON SAID, I'M DEREK BRAUN WITH STRATEGIC ECONOMICS AND I'M GONNA SPEAK TO THE ECONOMIC MARKET AND FISCAL FOUNDATIONS AND CONSIDERATIONS THAT HAVE GONE INTO THE LAND USE ALTERNATIVES. 
          UH, THIS WORK HAS BEEN INFORMED BY THE ECONOMIC AND MARKET ANALYSIS THAT WAS PUBLISHED IN 2021. 
          THEN ALSO A FINANCIAL FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS FOR HOUSING DEVELOPMENT AND AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING POLICY ANALYSIS AND STRATEGY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE BOTH PUBLISHED IN 2023. 
          SO THE DETAILED DOCUMENTS ARE ALL AVAILABLE ON THE GENERAL PLAN WEBSITE. 
          UH, SO JUST AS A BROAD OVERVIEW, OUR ANALYSIS FOUND THAT PETAL IN TERMS OF PETALUMA'S OVERALL ECONOMIC POSITION. 
          THE CITY IS AN EMPLOYMENT DESTINATION, UH, THAT CENTERED ON HIGHWAY 1 0 1 ACCESS BOTH FOR COMMUTES AND FOR GOODS MOVEMENT ACROSS THE REGION HAS A REALLY GOOD ECONOMY THAT BALANCES EXPORT AND HOUSEHOLD SERVING INDUSTRIES. 
          SO HOUSEHOLD SERVING IS THINGS LIKE RETAIL AND PERSONAL SERVICES. 
          EXPORT ORIENTED INDUSTRIES COULD INCLUDE THINGS LIKE THE CONCENTRATION OF MANUFACTURING, UH, JOBS THAT ARE FOUND IN PETALUMA. 
          IN TERMS OF OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE FOUND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR HOUSING THAT ADDRESSES A VARIETY OF INCOME LEVELS AND VARYING, UH, HOUSEHOLD NEEDS AND TYPES AS WELL AS A CHANCE TO INTEGRATE HOUSING WITH RETAIL AND SERVICES. 
          UH, THE SMART STATIONS REPRESENT A NEW OPPORTUNITY TO ATTRACT BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTS. 
          I'LL SPEAK MORE ABOUT THESE IN A MOMENT. 
          UH, ALSO OPPORTUNITIES TO ACCOMMODATE GROWTH MANUFACTURING DISTRIBUTION BUSINESSES REINFORCE DOWNTOWN AS A NORTH BAY DESTINATION, AS WELL AS A DESTINATION FOR RESIDENTS AND TO DIVERSIFY USES WITHIN THE SHOPPING CENTERS AND COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS IN PETALUMA. 
          SO I'M GONNA WALK THROUGH, UH, DIFFERENT LAND USES THAT WERE CONSIDERED IN THE ANALYSES. 
          SO FOR HOUSING, UH, WE FOUND THERE WAS STRONG DEMAND FOR BOTH SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY HOUSING. 
          HOWEVER, THERE'S ALSO A DEVELOPMENT FEASIBILITY CHALLENGE IN THAT HIGHER INTENSITY HOUSING, HIGHER DENSITY HOUSING ABOVE FOUR, UH, TO SIX STORIES, LET'S SAY, IS GENERALLY NOT CURRENTLY FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE IN PETALUMA DUE TO HIGH CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND HIGH FINANCING COSTS, AS WELL AS RENTS AND SALES PRICES THAT ARE LOWER RELATIVE TO, UH, THE CORE BAY AREA LOCATIONS WHERE THIS HOUSING TENDS TO GET BUILT THE MOST. 
          THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THIS IS DESTINY, THIS IS THE CURRENT SITUATION, BUT IT IS AN EXISTING CHALLENGE. 
          UM, WE DID FIND THAT TO THE EXTENT THERE ARE HIGHER INTENSITY INFILL OPPORTUNITIES FOR HOUSING, THOSE ARE GOING TO BE STRONGEST NEAR DOWNTOWN, THE SMART STATIONS, THOSE PLACES THAT REALLY HAVE A LOT OF EXISTING AMENITIES THAT CAN SUPPORT ADDITIONAL POPULATION. 
          AND THEN I DON'T WANNA OVERLOOK, WE ALSO DO RECOGNIZE THERE'S A NEED FOR DEED RESTRICTED AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO ENSURE THAT THE FULL VARIETY OF PETALUMA'S WORKERS ARE ABLE TO FIND AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE CITY. 
          FOR RETAIL PETALUMA SERVICES RETAIL DESTINATION, IT HAS A SURPLUS OF SALES IN MOST CATEGORIES, MEANING THAT IT DRAWS IN OUTSIDE SHOPPERS AND VISITORS WHO ARE SPENDING IN THIS, IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          DOWNTOWN PETALUMA IS THRIVING AS A UNIQUE RETAIL DINING AND ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT THAT DRAWS IN, UH, FROM BEYOND JUST THE CITY ITSELF. 
          BUT WE DO SEE THAT WITH THE GROWTH OF E-COMMERCE, THERE'S A TRANSITION HAPPENING IN RETAIL RIGHT NOW. 
          SO PART OF THAT IS THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF RETAIL SPACE NEEDED TO SERVE HOUSEHOLDS IS STAGNANT OR DECLINING OVER TIME BECAUSE MORE SALES ARE HAPPENING ONLINE. 
          UM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, NEW OPPORTUNITIES ARE EMERGING IN TERMS OF, UH, THOSE MORE EXPERIENTIAL TYPES OF RETAIL USES. 
          SO DINING, ENTERTAINMENT, RECREATION, AND THEN ALSO SPECIALTY RETAIL THAT SERVES UNIQUE COMMUNITY NEEDS, UH, AND CAN'T BE FOUND ONLINE. 
          UH, SO IN THE LONGER TERM, PERHAPS SOME RETAIL PRUNING IS NEEDED, MEANING JUST REPOSITIONING OR REMOVING SPACE IN SOME UNDERPERFORMING PROPERTIES OR CONSIDERING OTHER USES TO BE INTEGRATED INTO THOSE RETAIL PROPERTIES. 
          AND AS PART OF THAT, THERE IS A POTENTIAL TO CREATE SOME NEW COMMUNITY GATHERING PLACES AT EXISTING CENTERS. 
          CAN CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT SURPLUS MEANS 
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AND MAYBE SPEAK A LITTLE BIT SLOWER FOR THE TRANSLATORS? YES. 
          SO BY SURPLUS, UH, WE JUST MEAN THAT RELATIVE TO THE SPENDING POWER OF RESIDENTS IN PETALUMA, UM, THE CITY IS ACTUALLY ATTRACTING MORE SALES, UM, THAN, THAN THE RESIDENTS THEMSELVES COULD SUPPORT ON THEIR OWN, JUST MEANING THAT THE CITY IS DRAWING OUTSIDE SHOPPERS. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          FOR INDUSTRIAL USES, THE CITY DOES HAVE A VERY STRONG INDUSTRIAL MARKET. 
          UM, THERE'S A CONCENTRATION OF INDUSTRIAL BUSINESS PARKS AND THE NORTHERN SOUTHERN PORTIONS OF THE, OF PETALUMA ALONG MCDOWELL BOULEVARD AND LAKEVILLE HIGHWAY. 
          AND WE SEE THAT THERE'S THESE, THERE'S A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY IN THESE BUSINESS PARKS AND INDUSTRIAL PARKS THAT ALLOWS BUSINESSES TO HAVE BOTH THEIR OPERATIONS IN TERMS OF MANUFACTURING AND DISTRIBUTION AND ALSO OFFICE SPACE AND RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES. 
          UH, SO THERE'S, THERE IS A VERY STRONG DEMAND FOR THIS FLEXIBLE SPACE. 
          THIS DEMAND IS DRIVEN BY AGRICULTURE, FOOD, MANUFACTURING, MEDICAL DEVICES AND EQUIPMENT, AND A VARIETY OF SMALLER TECHNOLOGY BUSINESSES. 
          HOWEVER, WHAT WE DO FIND IS THAT GROWTH IS SOMEWHAT CONSTRAINED BY THE LIMITED OPPORTUNITY SITES AT THOSE REALLY PRIME LOCATIONS FOR THESE EMPLOYERS NEAR HIGHWAY 1 0 1, WHERE THEY CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF BOTH COMMUTE OPTIONS AS WELL AS GOODS MOVEMENT OPTIONS THAT CONNECT TO THE REST OF THE REGION. 
          FOR OFFICE SPACE DEMAND IS GENERALLY WEAKER IN PETALUMA AND HAS BEEN IN MUCH OF THE NORTH BAY, SINCERELY, TWO THOUSANDS IN THE AREA. 
          UH, BUT THERE IS GOING, THERE IS GROWTH AND DEMAND OVER TIME, UH, DRIVEN BY PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, MEDICAL OFFICE USES TECHNOLOGY, AND WHEN OPPORTUNITIES ARISE, BUSINESS HEADQUARTERS. 
          UH, AND SO TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE ARE FUTURE OFFICE OPPORTUNITIES, THOSE ARE GOING TO BE STRONGEST NEAR THE SMART STATIONS. 
          AGAIN, THANKS TO THE COMMUTE ACCESS PROVIDED BY THOSE STATIONS, UH, FOR HOTEL USES DEMAND IN THE CITY'S DRIVEN BY BOTH WINE COUNTRY TOURISM AS WELL AS BUSINESS TRAVELERS TO DESTINATIONS ALONG HIGHWAY 1 0 1. 
          WE'VE SEEN VERY LONG-TERM CONSISTENT GROWTH AND DEMAND FOR HOTEL USES. 
          AND THE STRONGEST LOCATIONS FOR HOTELS ARE GONNA BE THOSE THAT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE DEMAND DRIVERS. 
          SO THOSE ARE LOCATIONS NEAR DOWNTOWN AND NEAR HIGHWAY 1 0 1. 
          I'M GOING TO MAKE A, A PIVOT HERE AWAY FROM THE MARKET FINDINGS AND SPEAK TO THE FISCAL CONSIDERATIONS FOR A MOMENT. 
          SO WE DO RECOGNIZE THAT LAND USE HAS A CONNECTION TO PETALUMA'S ABILITY TO PROVIDE SERVICES, DIFFERENT LAND USES, CONTRIBUTE DIFFERENT REVENUES, AND ALSO COME WITH DIFFERENT EXPENSE EXPENSES FOR SERVING EITHER RESIDENTS OR EMPLOYEES OR VISITORS. 
          SO JUST AS A VERY BROAD OVERVIEW OF THE GENERAL FUND, THE PRIMARY UNRESTRICTED FUND FOR THE CITY, UH, THE PRIMARY REVENUE SOURCES ARE PROPERTY SALES AND USE TAXES, AS WELL AS CHARGES FOR SERVICES. 
          AND THE MAJOR EXPENDITURES ARE ON THE POLICE, FIRE AND GENERAL GOVERNMENT SERVICES. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          IN THINKING ABOUT HOW DIFFERENT LAND USES CONNECT TO THE GENERAL FUND REVENUES, UH, I HAVE THIS TABLE ON THE RIGHT HERE, WHICH SHOWS, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU LOOK AT SALES TAX REVENUE THAT'S CONNECTED TO RETAIL AND ALSO INDUSTRIAL LAND USES THE RETAIL GENERATING SALES TAX, THE INDUSTRIAL, UH, GENERATING, UH, BUSINESS TO BUSINESS TAX. 
          UH, WE SEE ALL LAND USES GENERATING PROPERTY TAX, BUT HOTEL USES GENERATE ALSO TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY TAX. 
          AND SO THE THE POINT HERE IS JUST THAT EMPLOYMENT BASED USES TYPICALLY GENERATE NET POSITIVE REVENUES AFTER ACCOUNTING FOR SERVICE EXPENDITURES. 
          UM, AND THIS IS BECAUSE THEY BOTH HAVE DIFFERENT MECHANISMS BY WHICH THEY'RE GENERATING, GENERATING REVENUES. 
          AND ALSO, UH, EMPLOYEES TEND TO USE FEWER SERVICES THAN RESIDENTS. 
          UH, RESIDENTIAL USES IN MOST COMMUNITIES TYPICALLY HAVE A NEUTRAL TO SOMETIMES NEGATIVE IMPACT DUE TO THE HIGHER SERVICE NEEDS. 
          NOW, IN THE LAND USE ALTERNATIVES BECAUSE THE TOTAL GROWTH DOES NOT VARY SIGNIFICANTLY, AND BECAUSE THERE ARE ONLY SO MANY LOCATIONS AND FORMATS FOR, UH, HOW GROWTH WILL UNFOLD, WE'RE NOT CURRENTLY PERFORMING A FISCAL IMPACT ANALYSIS ON THOSE ALTERNATIVES SINCE, AGAIN, THEY'RE ALSO VERY SUB AREA FOCUSED. 
          BUT WE WILL BE CONDUCTING A FISCAL IMPACT ANALYSIS OF THE PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE SO THAT YOU HAVE INFORMATION ABOUT THE ANNUAL IMPACTS ON THE CITY'S GENERAL FUND BASED ON THAT FULL GROWTH. 
          AND WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO KELLY. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE. 
          MY NAME IS KELLY BOND, I'M A PLANNER WITH FAIR AND PEERS, AND I'M GONNA BE TALKING YOU ALL THROUGH A FEW SLIDES ON TRANSPORTATION, 
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VMT AND CARBON NEUTRALITY CONTEXT. 
          SO WE HAVE COVERED SOME OF THIS, UH, EARLIER TODAY. 
          UM, SO SOME OF THIS SHOULD BE A REFRESHER THAT YOU JUST HEARD IN THE BLUEPRINT PRESENTATION. 
          UM, SO JUST SOME EXISTING CONDITIONS IN PETALUMA. 
          PETALUMA IS A VERY AUTO ORIENTED, UH, COMMUNITY, AND WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT EARLIER THE NEED TO EXPAND BIKING, WALKING, AND TRANSIT USE, UH, ESPECIALLY TO MEET THOSE CLIMATE GOALS. 
          SO CURRENTLY LOOKING AT TRAVEL PATTERNS, THERE'S A PIE CHART ON THE RIGHT THERE. 
          ABOUT 80% OF RESIDENTS CURRENTLY DRIVE TO WORK. 
          SO THAT'S THE DROVE ALONE AND CARPOOLED IN THAT, UH, PIE CHART. 
          AND THEN ABOUT 90% OF TOTAL DAILY TRIPS ARE IN AN AUTOMOBILE. 
          SO THAT'S PEOPLE THAT ARE DRIVING TO WORK AND FOR EVERYTHING ELSE THAT THEY'RE DRIVING FOR. 
          SO WHAT DOES THAT DRIVE? UM, OR SOME OF THE DRIVERS OF THIS CURRENTLY A, YOU KNOW, A LOWER DENSITY LAND USES ARE MORE SPREAD OUT. 
          IT'S A VERY SUBURBAN LIKE COMMUNITY. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT LEADS TO, WE'VE HAD SOME GAPS IN, UH, BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN INFRASTRUCTURE THAT MIGHT LEAD PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO FEEL, UH, SAFER AND MORE CONNECTED TO GETTING TO THE DESTINATIONS THAT THEY NEED TO GET TO. 
          SO SOME OUTCOMES OF THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, HIGHER CONGESTION AND HIGHER VMT. 
          GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO LOOKING AT TRANSPORTATION PATTERNS ACROSS THE LARGER NINE COUNTY BAY AREA, UH, PETALUMA RESIDENTS DO DRIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, EVERY DAY, SO ABOUT 21 MILES PER DAY COMPARED TO ABOUT 19 MILES FOR THE LARGER REGION ON AVERAGE. 
          BUT WE HAVE SOME OPPORTUNITIES HERE. 
          SO ABOUT A THIRD OF ALL TRIPS TAKEN ARE LESS THAN TWO MILES. 
          THAT'S OUR BIGGEST OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO IMPROVE OPPORTUNITIES FOR WALKING AND BIKING OR THOSE SHORTER TRIPS. 
          AND THEN TWO, ABOUT TWO THIRDS ARE LESS THAN FIVE MILES, WHICH CAN STILL BE PRETTY WALKABLE OR BIKEABLE FOR A LOT OF FOLKS. 
          AND SO REALLY THE OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO REDUCE THOSE DISTANCES AND THE BARRIERS BETWEEN HOUSING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND DAILY DESTINATION. 
          SO REALLY THINKING ABOUT LAND USE AND HOW DOES, HOW ARE THOSE THINGS STRUCTURED? SO A LITTLE BIT MORE ON CARBON NEUTRALITY AND, AND VEHICLE TRAVEL. 
          SO WE DISCUSSED EARLIER A LOT ABOUT GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS. 
          SO JUST A ANOTHER MEASURE HERE ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF PETALUMA'S GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS ARE FROM ON-ROAD TRANSPORTATION. 
          SO A BIG OPPORTUNITY TO REDUCE THAT HERE. 
          AND THEN JUST TO NOTE THAT, UH, SB 7 43, SO THAT IS CONVERTING FROM LOOKING AT LEVEL OF SERVICE OR LOS TO VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED OR VMT, UM, THAT CHANGE HAS BEEN MADE. 
          AND SO WE'RE REALLY NOW THINKING ABOUT, UM, INSTEAD OF THINKING ABOUT IMPACT TO DRIVERS, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THE IMPACTS OF DRIVING OR FROM DRIVING AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, DECISIONS THAT WE'RE MAKING HERE. 
          AND SO PETALUMA HAS CREATED AS A COMMUNITY, SOME EXCEPTIONS, THOSE ARE LISTED OUT, I WON'T READ THROUGH THEM, BUT THEY'RE LISTED OUT ON THE SLIDE. 
          UM, AND REALLY, YOU KNOW, AN OPPORTUNITY HERE IS ABOUT LOOKING AT A PROJECT CRITERIA, UM, MORE DENSITY MIXING USES. 
          WE TALKED A LITTLE ABOUT ABOUT PARKING EARLIER, THINKING ABOUT PARKING AND, AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. 
          AND WE CAN GO INTO THIS MORE IF FOLKS HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THIS SHOWS SOME, UH, VMT REDUCTION STRATEGIES THAT THE CITY OF PETALUMA HAS, UH, ADOPTED. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE HIGHER, SOME THAT ARE LOWER AS FAR AS THE IMPACT THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE AND SOME ARE SUPPORTIVE. 
          AND SO THE TWO THAT ARE CIRCLED IN RED ARE BOTH RELATED TO LAND USE AND THEY'RE BOTH HIGH IMPACT POTENTIAL. 
          SO THE TWO ARE INCREASING DIVERSITY OF LAND USES AND INCREASING DENSITY, AND WE'LL TALK A LOT MORE ABOUT THAT LATER IN THE PRESENTATION. 
          BUT JUST WANTED TO EMPHASIZE THE, THE HIGH VALUE THAT THOSE TWO CAN HAVE. 
          GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          UM, THIS FINE GRAPH SHOWS, UH, THE EFFECT OF POPULATION DENSITY. 
          SO IT'S LOOKING AT THE DENSITY ON THE BOTTOM AND THEN THE VM COMPARED TO VMT. 
          AND SO YOU CAN SEE PETALUMA, UM, WHERE WE STAND ON THAT, UH, ON THE GRAPH AS WELL AS, UH, DAVIS IS, YOU KNOW, DENSER, UM, BUT, BUT ABOUT THE SAME. 
          BUT THEY'VE REALLY BUILT OUT THEIR, THEIR BIKE, UM, NETWORK. 
          AND SO THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT LOWER ON THE VMT SCALE COMPARED TO SOMEWHERE LIKE SAN FRANCISCO, ESPECIALLY NORTH BEACH. 
          UM, YOU CAN SEE ON THE FAR RIGHT THERE MUCH, YOU KNOW, DENSER AND ALSO LESS, UH, VMT. 
          AND SO THIS JUST SHOWS, YOU KNOW, BUILDING MORE FOR PEOPLE WHERE AROUND WHERE THEY LIVE, ALLOWING THEM TO NOT HAVE TO DRIVE SO MUCH AND LIMITING CONGEST CONGESTION. 
          OKAY, AND THIS IS ALSO SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, BUT LINKING ALL OF THIS BACK TO THE BLUEPRINT FOR CARBON NEUTRALITY ARE AMBITIOUS 
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VERSUS, UH, REACHING CARBON NEUTRALITY. 
          SO AN AMBITIOUS CLIMATE AGENDA. 
          WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 50% OF ALL TRAVEL, UM, IN MODES THAT ARE NOT SINGLE OCCUPANCY VEHICLES VERSUS GETTING TO CARBON NEUTRALITY. 
          WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A WHOPPING 75% OF ALL TRAVEL IN MODES THAT ARE NOT SINGLE OCCUPANCY VEHICLES. 
          SO, UH, A BIG LIFT. 
          UM, BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN MAKE SOME BIG MOVES THROUGH OUR GENERAL PLAN. 
          AND JUST BEFORE WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, JUST OTHER STRATEGIES TO HIGHLIGHT REIMAGINING OUR TRANSPORTATION NETWORK, WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE, HOW WE CAN CONNECT PEOPLE TO THE PLACES THEY NEED TO GO. 
          UM, AND THEN OTHER STRATEGIES. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT PARKING, PARKING REFORM EARLIER TODAY, AS WELL AS, UH, TDM TRANSPORTATION DEMAND MANAGEMENT PROGRAMS. THANK YOU KELLY AND DEREK. 
          OKAY, I JUST WANNA CONCLUDE HERE THAT THE REASON WE SHARED ALL THAT BACKGROUND INFORMATION, FIRST FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE AND THEN FLOOD RESILIENCE, THEN ECONOMIC AND FISCAL AND TRANSPORTATION IS, AS WE LOOKED AT ALL THE, THAT LAND USE FROM ALL THESE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES, THEY ALL POINTED TO THIS SAME CONCLUSION JUST TO KEEP PEOPLE, KEEP, UH, DEVELOPMENT AWAY FROM FLOOD PRONE AREAS, WHICH ARE ALSO HIGH VALUE OPEN SPACES AND OTHERWISE INTENSIFY IN THE CORE ALONG KEY CORRIDORS AT NEWLY REDEVELOPED 15 MINUTE CENTERS AROUND THE CITY, THE POTENTIAL CORONA STATION. 
          UM, WHETHER YOU THINK ABOUT IT FROM AN ECONOMIC FISCAL PERSPECTIVE, TRANSPORTATION SPEC PERSPECTIVE, FLOOD RESILIENCE PERSPECTIVE, THEY ALL POINT US TO THESE SAME AREAS. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHY WE ARE CURRENTLY LOOKING AT THESE AREAS OF CHANGE. 
          NEXT WE'RE GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE 15 MINUTE CITY. 
          UM, MAYOR, WOULD YOU LIKE US TO CONTINUE BEFORE WE TAKE A BREAK OR, YEAH, I THINK YOU'RE ON A ROLL RIGHT NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          LET'S, UH, GET THROUGH. 
          UH, YEAH, WHY DON'T WE STOP BEFORE WE GET INTO THE MORE DETAILED AREA BY AREA REVIEW EXACTLY. 
          IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU RON. 
          AND THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          EXCITED TO BE HERE TO WALK US THROUGH THE OVERARCHING LAND USE FRAMEWORK, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA DIG A LITTLE BIT INTO SOME OF THE AREAS OF CHANGE, WHICH YOU HAVE ON THE WALL BEHIND YOU. 
          WE'LL GO AREA BY AREA, UM, AND TALK ABOUT WHY WE THINK THESE ARE THE AREAS WE SHOULD BRING TO THE PUBLIC FOR PART OF THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. 
          SO STARTING AT THE TOP, UM, THE 15 MINUTE CITY IS REALLY THE CONCEPT, A DRIVING CONCEPT, UM, THAT WE'VE HEARD, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS FROM THE COMMUNITY, FROM THE GPAC, FROM OUR STAFF AND FROM OUR PLANNING COMMISSIONERS AS BEING, UM, FOUNDATIONAL TO ACHIEVING A LOT OF OUR GOALS, OUR FISCAL GOALS, OUR WALKABILITY GOALS, OUR CLIMATE GOALS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. 
          UM, SO TO BE SPECIFIC, WHAT WE MEAN WHEN WE SAY A 15 MINUTE CITY IS THAT A CITY MADE UP OF WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOODS IN WHICH OUR RESIDENTS CAN MEET MOST OF THEIR ESSENTIAL NEEDS, WHICH COULD BE GROCERIES, SERVICES, RECREATION, GATHERING, MEDICAL SERVICES, WHICH WE HEARD BEFORE, TRANSIT, OF COURSE, WE'VE ALSO HEARD AND TALKED ABOUT A BIT, MEETING THOSE NEEDS WITHIN A 50 MINUTE WALK OF THEIR HOME. 
          AND WE SEE FOUR KEY SORT OF PRONGS OR POLICIES TO IMPLEMENT THIS OVERARCHING GOAL. 
          THE FIRST ONE IS THAT RESIDENTS LIVE WITHIN THE SHORT WALK OF A CENTER OF ACTIVITY, AND THAT GETS TO OUR 15 MINUTE STRATEGY, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THOSE CENTERS IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL. 
          THE SECOND ONE IS THAT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE MORE VARIETY OF HOUSING, NOT JUST SINGLE FAMILY, BUT WE HAVE TOWNHOUSES, DUPLEXES, QUADPLEXES, MORE MIDDLE DENSITY OPTIONS. 
          THE THIRD STRATEGY IS THAT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS ALSO CONTAIN NON-RESIDENTIAL USES. 
          SO LIVE WORK OR SMALL SHOPS OR HOME OFFICES OR OTHER TYPES OF NON-RESIDENTIAL USES START TO ENRICH IN AND ENLIVEN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          THE FOURTH ONE, WHICH REALLY TIES IT ALL TOGETHER IS THAT THESE ACTIVITY CENTERS, WHICH WE'RE, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO FOSTER THROUGHOUT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, ARE SUPPORTED WITH MOBILITY IMPROVEMENTS, CIVIC AND PUBLIC FACILITIES, PUBLIC REALM AND STREETSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS AND OTHER UTILITY AND OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE 15 MINUTE CENTERS AND THAT FRAMEWORK. 
          UM, SO WE HAVE SORT OF THREE SCALES OF CENTERS, THE LARGEST WE HAVE CALLED THE TOWN CENTER, THEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER, AND THEN THE SMALLEST IS THE MINI CENTER OR ACTIVATED PARK. 
          AND I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT EACH ONE. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO THE TOWN CENTER IS WHAT WE ARE CONCEIVING AS A MAJOR DESTINATION THAT SERVES THE WHOLE CITY. 
          UM, A TOWN 
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CENTER IS NEAR THE HIGHEST OR THE HIGHEST FREQUENCY, HIGHEST QUALITY TRANSIT. 
          IT'S DESIGNED AS A PLACE WHERE YOU, IF YOU DRIVE, YOU PARK, AND THEN YOU MIGHT WALK AND, AND, AND CIRCULATE THROUGH THE PLACE. 
          UM, WE HOPE THAT A TOWN CENTER CONTAINS AS MANY USES AS POSSIBLE, BUT THE KEY ONES ARE HOUSING, RETAIL, AND EMPLOYMENT. 
          THE TOWN CENTER IS A LARGER SCALE PLACE, WHICH MIGHT BE THREE UP TO SIX STORIES OR HIGHER, PERHAPS, IF THAT IS THE WAY THE LAND USE ALTERNATIVES GO. 
          THE MAIN ACTIVITIES THAT WE SEE ARE CREATING THESE SPACES ARE OF COURSE THE GATHERING SPACE THAT IS A KEY TO THE ACTIVITY CENTER, BUT ALSO HOUSING AND THEN SERVICES BOTH FOR REGIONAL AUDIENCE AND THEN ALSO A MORE LOCAL AUDIENCE. 
          SO A MIX OF THOSE TYPES OF RETAIL AND AMENITIES. 
          SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS ARE THE OFFICES AND MEDICAL TYPE USES, WHICH SUPPLEMENT SOME OF THE MAIN ACTIVITIES NEXT. 
          SO THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF SOME OF THE TYPES OF CHARACTER TYPES OF BUILDINGS YOU MIGHT SEE IN A TOWN CENTER. 
          AGAIN, IT'S A LITTLE BIT LARGER SCALE, MORE MAJOR DESTINATION KIND OF FOCUSED ON OPEN SPACES OR PLAZAS GENERALLY. 
          SOME OF THE TOWN CENTERS THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED INC START WITH THE POTENTIAL CORONA UGB EXPANSION CENTER. 
          IF INDEED THE BALLOT MEASURE MOVES FORWARD, THEN WE SEE, UM, A KEY NEED TO FOCUS OR ORIENT THAT EXPANSION AROUND A CENTER. 
          UM, ANOTHER ONE IS THE LUCKY'S SHOPPING MALL, OR THE TOWN AND COUNTRY CENTER ON PETALUMA BOULEVARD NORTH. 
          UM, WE SEE THAT AS A MAJOR OPPORTUNITY FOR INTENSIFICATION THE WASHINGTON SQUARE SHOPPING CENTER. 
          ANOTHER ONE, UM, WITH POTENTIAL FOR REDEVELOPMENT. 
          WE SEE THAT AS A STRONG OPPORTUNITY SITE, THE CENTRAL SMART STATION AREA WHERE LAKEVILLE AND WASHINGTON STREET MEET, WE SEE THAT AS A KEY OPPORTUNITY TO LEVERAGE THE, UM, THE STATION AND THE TRANSIT ORIENTED NATURE OF THAT AREA. 
          THE GOLDEN EAGLE OR RIVER PLAZA AREA IS ANOTHER POTENTIALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, UNDER THE UTILIZED SHOPPING CENTER THAT COULD BE REDEVELOPED AND INTENSIFIED. 
          THE OUTLET MALL, UM, IS ONE THAT WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT, BUT WE SEE AS A POTENTIAL, UM, OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE INTO MORE OF AN ACTIVE CENTER. 
          BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE INTERESTED IN HEARING FROM COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC AS TO WHAT THEY SEE THE FUTURE OF THE OUTLETS MIGHT BE. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO MOVING DOWN TO THE NEXT CENTER TYPE, WHICH IS A LITTLE SMALLER AND A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A COMMUNITY SPACE RATHER THAN, UM, A DESTINATION OR A FISCAL DRIVER. 
          THE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER IS MORE OF A THIRD PLACE, UM, WHERE YOU MIGHT SOCIALIZE. 
          YOU MIGHT ALSO BUY SOME THINGS, BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY ABOUT THAT. 
          IT'S MORE OF, UM, A PLACE THAT IS A COMMUNITY GATHERING SPACE WITH PROGRAMMING, WITH SOME SERVICES THAT ARE VERY LOCALLY ORIENTED. 
          UM, IT'S A SMALLER SCALE, 1, 2, 3 STORIES. 
          IT'S STILL CONNECTED TO OUR MULTIMODAL AND OUR TRANSIT NETWORKS, BUT NOT NECESSARILY AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL. 
          UM, YOU MIGHT SEE BOTH VERTICAL OR HORIZONTAL MIXED USE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU MIGHT HAVE A BUILDING WITH MULTIPLE USES OR YOU MIGHT HAVE MULTIPLE BUILDINGS ON A SITE WITH DIFFERENT USES. 
          UM, SO AGAIN, THE, THE KEY IS THE GATHERING SPACE. 
          SOMETIMES IT MIGHT BE A PARK, IT MIGHT BE, UM, PROGRAMMING, FOOD TRUCKS. 
          UM, AND THEN YOU, WE ARE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT ALSO ENLIVENS IT WITH AN ACTIVITY LIKE MAKERSPACE COWORKING SPACE OR LIVE WORK TYPE SPACES. 
          UM, AND THEN HOUSING IS SORT OF, YOU KNOW, DESIRABLE BUT NOT NECESSARILY A KEY ASPECT OF ALL OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERS THAT IT MAY BE A SUPPLEMENTAL OR A SUPPORTING USE. 
          HERE'S SOME SORT OF IDEAS OR PRECEDENTS OF WHAT A NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER MIGHT FEEL LIKE. 
          AGAIN, IT'S MORE OF A, A CORNER OR A BLOCK OR AN OPPORTUNITY SPACE AS YOU WALK BY. 
          IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENING MORE, UM, ON THE SMALLER SCALE, THE MORE INTIMATE SCALE COMPARED TO THE TOWN CENTER. 
          SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERS WE'VE IDENTIFIED INCLUDE THE LEGHORN MARKETPLACE ON THE EAST SIDE, UM, WITH THE SAFEWAY CENTER, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME CHANGE IN USE OR CHANGE IN IN ACTIVITY THERE. 
          THE CASA GRANDE, UM, SITE, WHICH IS, UM, JUST SOUTH OF THE HIGH SCHOOL. 
          ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, VACANT OPPORTUNITY SITE WHERE WE HAVE SOME OPPORTUNITY TO RE-ENVISION WHAT GOES ON THERE. 
          THE DEER CREEK VILLAGE SHOPPING CENTER. 
          UM, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO SORT OF ENLIVEN AND ACTIVATE PART OF THAT VILLAGE IN A BETTER WAY. 
          AND THEN THE CREAMERY SITE, WHICH YOU KNOW, ALREADY HAS, UM, SOME ACTIVITY GOING ON, BUT WE COULD POTENTIALLY, AGAIN, GROW THAT INTO A MORE ROBUST NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER. 
          THE SCHOOL DISTRICT OFFICE IS, UM, ANOTHER POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITY SITE. 
          YOU HAVE A SMALL OFFICE CENTER THAT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, STRENGTHENED WITH SOME MORE LIVE WORK USES OR OTHER TYPES OF ACTIVITIES. 
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THE BOWLING ALLEY AND THE VETERAN CENTER, TWO SITES THAT HAVE LARGE SURFACE PARKING AREAS THAT COULD BE PARTIALLY OR WHOLLY REDEVELOPED WITH, AGAIN, MORE, UH, MIXED USE OR MORE ACTIVITY. 
          UH, THE RIVER PARK CENTER, THIS IS THE NAME WE, WE'VE GIVEN TO THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE, THE FORMER SCANNELL SITE. 
          UM, MUCH AS WE SEE THE FUTURE CORONA AREA NEEDING A CENTER TO BE ORIENTED AROUND, WE SEE THAT SITE AS NEEDING A CENTER TO KIND OF BE FOCUSED OR ORIENTED AROUND NEXT SLIDE. 
          IN OUR FINAL CLASS OF CENTERS, THE SMALLEST ONES, WHICH ARE IN SOME CASES SIMPLY, UH, A PARK WITH, UH, SOME NEW, UH, AMENITIES OR SOME NEW FOOD TRUCKS OR SOME NEW PROGRAMMING. 
          REALLY, THESE ARE MEANT TO BE, UH, MORE OPPORTUNISTIC. 
          THESE ARE ALREADY PLACES THAT THE CITY HAS PARKS OR, UM, CAFES OR CIVIC SPACES. 
          THEY'RE OFTEN, YOU KNOW, ALREADY DISTRIBUTED THROUGHOUT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          THEY'RE ALREADY EASILY ACCESSIBLE. 
          UM, THEY MIGHT NOT BE A PLACE WHERE YOU NEED TO SPEND MONEY. 
          UH, IT MIGHT BE A PLACE WHERE YOU JUST GO AND THERE'S SOMETHING TO DO WITH YOUR FAMILY. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, THESE ARE, THESE ARE THE MOST SORT OF LOW LEVEL, UM, MOST COMMUNITY ORIENTED, THE LESS SORT OF ECONOMICALLY FOCUSED TYPES OF CENTERS. 
          SO YOU MIGHT SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, RETAIL OR A CONCESSION STAND AT A PARK, THAT THAT'S WHAT WE MEAN BY THIS CENTER. 
          SO YEAH, SO THESE TYPES OF ACTIVITIES, UM, MORE A PARK LIT OR A SMALL MOMENT, A SMALL CAFE, UM, THAT AGAIN, DO DRIVE SORT OF COMMUNITY AND ACTIVITY, BUT AREN'T, AREN'T REALLY A, A MAJOR FOCUS OF INVESTMENT. 
          SO JUST KIND OF STEPPING BACK, HERE ARE ALL THE CENTERS ON THE MAP AND, UM, THE THREE DIFFERENT SCALES. 
          AND WE'LL KIND OF TALK THROUGH SOME OF THESE AS WE GO THROUGH THE, UM, AREAS OF CHANGE. 
          BUT THE, SOME OF THE CENTERS, UH, THEY NEED OR THEY COULD STAND TO HAVE A DIFFERENT LAND USE OR A DIFFERENT ALLOWABLE INTENSITY. 
          UM, BUT IN SOME OF THESE CASES, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE ISSUE THAT WHAT WE NEED IS, UH, BETTER PARKS OR BETTER BIKE LANES OR, UM, A BETTER, UH, STREAK CHARACTER. 
          SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE CASE THAT ALL THESE CENTERS NEED A LAND USE CHANGE, BUT THESE ARE ALL THE KEY AREAS THAT WE SEE AS PART OF FULFILLING THE WHOLE 15 MINUTE CITY STRATEGY. 
          NEXT SLIDE, KELLY. 
          SO I'M GONNA NOW TURN IT OVER TO KELLY. 
          'CAUSE UH, WE GOT TO THIS POINT IN OUR THINKING ABOUT, UM, THE PETALUMA AS A 15 MINUTE C CITY. 
          AND WE WANTED TO ASK OURSELF, WELL, ARE WE ACHIEVING THE GOAL, WHICH IS TO HELP PEOPLE BE WITHIN A 15 MINUTE WALK OF, UM, A LOT OF THEIR DAILY NEEDS AND, UH, TRIPS. 
          AND SO WE, UM, FAIR PIERCE WAS ABLE TO DO AN ACCESSIBILITY ANALYSIS FOR US TO, TO LET US KNOW WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE MADE THESE CHANGES IN LAND USE, COUPLED WITH THE PLAN CHANGES THROUGH THE A TP. 
          SO I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO KELLY AT THIS POINT TO SHARE THE RESULTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          GREAT. 
          SO THIS IS LOOKING AT CURRENT IN, IN 2019, UM, LOOKING AT HOW ACCESSIBLE PETALUMA'S TRANSPORTATION NETWORK IS THROUGH ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION, AND THEN ALSO LOOKING AT THAT THROUGH NETWORK STRESS. 
          SO HOW STRESSFUL IS IT TO USE SAID FACILITY? SO THERE'S A FEW DIFFERENT COLORS UP THERE. 
          UM, THE BLUES REPRESENT HIGH ACCESS, SO YOU'RE, IT'S ACCESSIBLE. 
          UM, HOWEVER, THE DARKER SHADE OF BLUE IS ALSO HIGH LEVEL OF TRAFFIC STRESS, SO IT'S A STRESSFUL BUT ACCESSIBLE ROUTE. 
          UM, SO REALLY WHAT WE WANNA GET TO IS THAT THE LIGHT BLUE, LOW STRESS, HIGH ACCESS. 
          AND SO THEN THE ORANGE AND YELLOW ON THE LEFT REPRESENT LOWER ACCESS. 
          UM, THE ORANGE IS, IS HIGH TRAFFIC STRESS, AND LOW IS LOW TRAFFIC STRESS. 
          YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          AND SO THEN THIS IS A DRAFT OF THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK THAT IS A PART OF THE DRAFT ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING WORKED ON BY THE CITY. 
          AND SO THIS SHOWS HOW WE'RE MAPPING OUT WHAT WE MIGHT LOOK LIKE, UH, WHERE WE MIGHT ADD, UH, BIKE FACILITIES, CLOSE SIDEWALK GAPS, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          GREAT. 
          AND SO THEN THIS INCLUDES IF WE DID EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THAT DRAFT, UH, TRANSPORTATION MAP, AND WE ADDED, OVERLAID THAT AND LOOKED AT ACCESSIBILITY. 
          NOW, IF WE COM COMPLETED EVERYTHING AND BUILT IT OUT IN 2040, WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE? AND SO YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A LOT MORE BLUE, UM, ESPECIALLY LIGHT BLUE, UM, ON THIS MAP, WHICH IS GOOD. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE WANT. 
          UH, LOW TRAFFIC STRESS, HIGH ACCESS. 
          UM, SO THAT'S, YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          AND SO THEN THIS IS LOOKING, UM, SPECIFICALLY AT LAND USE. 
          SO NOT, UM, STRESS, BUT JUST THE ACCESS. 
          UM, IF WE WERE TO, YOU KNOW, ON THE, ON THE LEFT THERE IS 2019 ON THE RIGHT IS, UH, 2040. 
          SO IF WE WERE TO, UM, REALLY ACTIVATE THOSE 15 MINUTE CITIES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, HOW WOULD THAT CHANGE THE ACCESSIBILITY, UM, THROUGH 
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LAND USE CHANGE. 
          AND SO YOU CAN SEE IT, IT INCREASES IT QUITE SUBSTANTIALLY. 
          UM, THERE'S A LOT MORE HIGH ACCESS ROOTS AVAILABLE TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU, KELLY. 
          UM, SO AS RON AND HEATHER BOTH MENTIONED, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THESE, UH, QUITE EXTENSIVELY WITH THE GPAC. 
          UM, SO, UH, WHAT WE'LL DO IS JUST GIVE A BRIEF SHARE OUT OF WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE GPAC AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON THESE AREAS. 
          UM, BUT FIRST I'LL JUST INTRODUCE THEM BRIEFLY. 
          THE FIRST AREA WE CALL THE UPSTREAM AND THE DOWNSTREAM RIVER ADJACENT AREAS. 
          THEY'RE CIRCLED IN THE BLUE HERE. 
          UM, THE NEXT AREA IS THE CORE AREA, WHICH INCLUDES DOWNTOWN, THE CENTRAL PARK SMART STATION, THE HISTORIC AGRICULTURAL SERVICE, INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS, AND THEN THE RIVER PARK OR FORMER SCANNELL AREA. 
          THE CORRIDORS WE FOCUSED ON INCLUDE THE PORTION OF PETALUMA BOULEVARD, NORTH PORTION OF PETALUMA BOULEVARD SOUTH, AND THEN THE CORE CENTRAL PORTION OF EAST WASHINGTON BOULEVARD. 
          THE 50 MINUTE SETTERS, I AGAIN HAD JUST BRIEFLY RECAPPED THEM, BUT YOU SEE HERE LEGHORN, THE WESTERN AND BAKER CREAMERY AREA, CASA GRANDE, THE BOWLING ALLEY, AND THE VETERAN CENTER, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT OFFICE OUTLETS, THE LUCKY'S, AND THEN WASHINGTON SQUARE. 
          AND THEN FINALLY OUR POTENTIAL UGB EXPANSION AREA BY THE FUTURE CORONA SMART STATION . 
          SO WE KIND OF PUT ONE KEY, TWO KEY QUESTIONS IN FRONT OF COUNCIL TONIGHT, AND THIS REALLY SPEAKS TO THE FIRST ONE, WHICH IS, DO YOU SUPPORT THIS CONCEPT? WHICH IS TO SAY WE ARE, WOULD LOOK AT OR ASK THE PUBLIC ABOUT DE INTENSIFYING THIS AREAS IN THE AREA ONE, WHICH ARE AREAS IN THE UPSTREAM AND DOWNSTREAM AREAS, AREAS THAT ARE HEAVILY IMPACTED BY FLOOD AND OR SEA LEVEL RISE. 
          AND THEN ON THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT IS TO CONSIDER BOTH INTENSIFICATION OR HIGHER TALLER BUILDINGS AND OR DIVERSIFICATION, MORE LAND USES IN THE CORE, THE CORRIDORS AND IN THE CENTERS. 
          AND AS WE SAID EARLIER, WE KIND OF EXPLORED ALL OF THESE AREAS AND WE CAN ACHIEVE THE GROWTH IN ANY ONE OF THESE AREAS. 
          SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY ABOUT DOING IT IN ALL OF THESE AREAS, BUT IT'S ABOUT SORT OF CHOOSING BASED ON OTHER CONSIDERATIONS, QUALITY OF LIFE AND FISCAL, WHICH COMBINATION OF CHANGES OR IN JUSTIFICATIONS WE THINK BEST SUITS THIS COMMUNITY AND THE GOALS FOR ITS FUTURE. 
          AND THEN THE LAST ONE AGAIN, WHICH IS THE RELATED TO THE FUTURE BALLOT MEASURE AND SORT OF IS HINGES ON WHERE THAT GOES, BUT WOULD BE, UM, A POTENTIAL TOD AT THE CORONA SMART STATION. 
          SO WHAT WE HEARD FROM GPAC WAS THAT, UH, WITH REGARDS TO THE UPSTREAM RIVER JASON AREA, STRONG STRONG AGREEMENT ABOUT PRESERVING CONSISTENT OPEN SPACE BUFFER. 
          AND LIKEWISE, VERY STRONG SUPPORT FOR A GREENWAY OR PARKWAY CONCEPT THAT HAS BEEN CIRCULATED WITH REGARDS TO THE CORE. 
          AS RON MENTIONED, STRONG STRONG AGREEMENT ON THE CONCEPT OF PROTECTING DOWNTOWN WITH BOTH RESILIENCE AND OR ADAPTATION PROJECTS, UM, TO REALLY MAKE THAT AND KEEP THE, KEEP THE DOWNTOWN PROTECTED AND STRONG AND ACTIVATED. 
          UM, THERE WAS AGREEMENT TO NOT REALLY EXPLORE LAND USE CHANGES IN THE WAREHOUSE DISTRICT. 
          SO THAT'S NOT CURRENTLY PART OF OUR ALTERNATIVES. 
          MOVING TO PETALUMA BOULEVARD NORTH, THERE WAS, UH, AGREEMENT THAT WE SHOULD DISCUSS, UH, AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE LUCKY SITE AND SOME OF THE ADJACENT, UH, LOWER INTENSITY MIXED USE AREAS. 
          SO THAT'S PART OF OUR ALTERNATIVES IN THE MIDTOWN AREA. 
          THERE WAS INTEREST IN TALKING ABOUT EAST WASHINGTON CORRIDOR. 
          UH, WE'VE HEARD LOTS OF INTEREST ABOUT THAT GOING BACK A LONG TIME. 
          AND THEN ALSO SIMILARLY, UM, CON CONFIRMATION THAT WE SHOULD TAKE A LOOK AT WASHINGTON SQUARE IN THE DOWNSTREAM RIVER AREA. 
          UH, THERE WAS INTEREST IN TALKING ABOUT THE FORMER SCANNELL SITE, ESPECIALLY SINCE THERE'S A NEW OWNER. 
          UM, BUT THERE WAS THE AGREEMENT TO NOT REALLY OPEN UP THE, UM, GENERAL PLAN LAND USES IN THE WESTERN LAKEVILLE HIGHWAY AREA, WHICH IS THE AREA SHOWN HERE IN THE D FOUR PURPLE TO THE NORTH OF LAKEVILLE HIGHWAY. 
          SO THAT IS NOT PART OF OUR ALTERNATIVES. 
          WE ASKED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR UGB EXPANSIONS IN TWO AREAS. 
          THE FIRST BEING THE CORONA STATION, THERE WAS STRONG ALMOST UNANIMOUS AGREEMENT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. 
          ON THE OTHER HAND, ON THE FLIP SIDE, THERE WAS STRONG AGREEMENT TO NOT TAKE A LOOK OR OPEN UP THE LAKEVILLE 
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ADJACENT UGB EXPANSION AREA. 
          THE PLANNING COMMISSION FEEDBACK, UM, WAS AS FOLLOWS. 
          THE FIRST QUESTION WAS THE SAME QUESTION THAT WE HAVE BEFORE COUNCIL TONIGHT, WHICH IS DO YOU SUPPORT KIND OF THIS BROAD CITYWIDE APPROACH TO RESILIENCE? THE RESOUNDING ANSWER WAS YES, BUT WITH THE CLARIFICATION THAT PETALUMA IS AND WILL ALWAYS REMAIN A RIVER FOCUSED TOWN, A RIVER ORIENTED TOWN. 
          UM, THE SECOND QUESTION IS, WAS ABOUT THE, UM, SUPPORTING THE CITYWIDE APPROACH OF DE INTENSIFYING AND INTENSIFYING. 
          AGAIN, THERE WAS SUPPORT FOR THIS APPROACH, UM, BUT TO PLAY OUT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE CONVERSATION AROUND NO NET LOSS, WHICH IS THE CONCEPT THAT, UM, ANY DOWN ZONING OF RESIDENTIAL CAPACITY MUCH MUST BE MATCHED WITH AN EQUIVALENT OR GREATER UPZONING IN RESIDENTIAL CAPACITY. 
          UM, THE THIRD QUESTION, WHICH IS AGAIN, THE QUESTION WE HAVE BEFORE COUNCIL TONIGHT, WHICH IS, ARE THESE THE RIGHT AREAS TO GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC? UM, GENERALLY THE RESPONSE WAS, YES, THERE WAS, UM, INTEREST IN TAKING SOME CORRIDOR BY CORRIDOR APPROACHES, UH, YOU KNOW, DIGGING INTO A CORRIDOR PERHAPS AT A CORRIDOR PLAN LEVEL. 
          UM, THERE WAS SORT OF A DISAGREEMENT OR, OR LACK OF CLARITY ABOUT ONE PARTICULAR AREA THAT I'LL GET INTO, WHICH IS THE HISTORIC AGRICULTURAL SERVICE DISTRICT. 
          UM, SO THERE WAS, THERE WAS SOME WAFFLY ON THAT. 
          UM, AND THERE WAS SOME SUGGESTIONS AND HELP ABOUT ADDING MORE VISUALS AND MORE MODELS AND MORE, UM, ROBUST AND EXCITING WAYS OF COMMUNICATING THESE ALTERNATIVES TO THE PUBLIC. 
          UM, A SORT OF SUBSET QUESTION TO THE RIGHT AREAS QUESTION WAS, ARE THESE THE RIGHT CENTERS? AGAIN, THERE WAS LARGELY AGREEMENT, UM, THERE WAS MORE INTEREST IN MORE DETAIL ABOUT THE CENTERS, WHICH WE HAVE PROVIDED MORE DETAIL IN THIS PRESENTATION COMPARED TO THAT PRESENTATION. 
          UM, THERE WERE CONCERNS THAT THIS, UH, NOTION OF THE 50 MINUTE CENTERS HAS BEEN AROUND FOR SOME TIME BUT HASN'T BEEN ACHIEVED. 
          SO WE SHOULD BE SURE THAT WE'RE BEING MARKET REALISTIC IN SOME OF OUR GOALS, AND THAT, AS I MENTIONED, THAT EACH CENTER MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT APPROACH AND, AND NOT ALL MIGHT HAVE A LAND USE CHANGE. 
          SO WE DO NEED TO THINK ABOUT EACH CENTER IN ITS OWN NEEDS AND ITS OWN SUCCESSFUL OUTCOME. 
          SO MAYOR, THIS IS THE END OF THE CONTEXT AND BACKGROUND SECTION OF THE PRESENTATION. 
          WHAT'LL BE NEXT IS A MORE DETAILED INTRODUCTION TO EACH AREA, UH, FOLLOWED BY A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT HOW WE MIGHT ADJUST, UH, ALLOWED DENSITIES IN THE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS AND THEN COUNCIL DISCUSSION. 
          THAT WAS THE BACKGROUND. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          UM, SO, UM, IN LOOKING TO PROCEED HERE, UM, I THINK WE'LL ALL HAVE A LOT OF COMMENTS SLASH QUESTION AND, AND SEPARATING THEM MIGHT BE DIFFICULT. 
          UM, WE COULD HAVE A ROUND OF QUICK QUESTIONS IF WE WANT, OR WE CAN GET INTO THE MEAT OF IT. 
          I THINK THE MEAT OF IT IS WHERE WE WANNA HEAD MORE QUICKLY THEN. 
          UM, UM, AND WE'RE DOING GOOD ON TIME, SO THANK YOU. 
          UM, I THINK WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS I'D LIKE TO INVITE THE PUBLIC TO ASK ITS QUESTIONS SO THAT WHEN WE GET INTO OUR CONTEXT, UH, CONVERSATIONS, WE HAVE PUBLIC INPUT. 
          AND SO AGAIN, WE'LL TAKE A BREAK HERE AND OPEN UP A PUBLIC COMMENT FOR, FOR, UM, THIS SECTION. 
          AND, UH, THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY AGAIN, WE, UH, TO FILL OUT A CARD AND PROVIDE IT TO THE CLERK. 
          UM, MAY I ASK THE CLERK TO READ OUR MESSAGING FOR THE EVENING? MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ATTENDING IN PERSON SHOULD BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE. 
          SO SPEAKERS ARE REMINDED TO BE RESPECTFUL IN THEIR COMMENTS AND THAT THIS MEETING IS BEING TRANSLATED. 
          PLEASE PAUSE BETWEEN SENTENCES FOR TRANSLATION. 
          THE TIMER BEHIND THE DAIS WILL BE RESET FOR EACH SPEAKER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, GOING ONCE ANYBODY HAVE A CHANCE HERE? ANYBODY MISSING OUT ON A CHANCE TO GET A CARD IN? AND, ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO, UM, IN PUBLIC COMMENT, UH, FIRST, UH, FROM VERONICA OLSON SECOND, FOLLOWED BY, UH, DARREN CUSON. 
          HI, GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. 
          NOT QUITE YET. 
          HELLO. 
          HELLO. 
          THERE WE 
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GO. 
          HI, GOOD EVENING. 
          UM, I AM VERY EXCITED THAT WE'RE AT THIS POINT TO BE TALKING ABOUT THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF THE 15 MINUTE NEIGHBORHOOD, OR, UM, I GUESS WE COULD CALL IT COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS LOOKING AT IS THE ALTERNATIVES. 
          MY QUESTION IS, IF WE LOOK AT THE FOUR ALTERNATIVES, THE CORES CORONA DOWNTOWN AND THE 15 MINUTE NEIGHBORHOODS, WE'D, WE'D EQUAL 12,000 UNITS OF HOUSING. 
          SO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO FIND OUT LIKE, HOW ARE WE GONNA PICK AND CHOOSE FROM THESE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS IN THE PROCESS WITH THE PUBLIC AND WITH WITH COUNCIL ULTIMATELY, LIKE, HOW, HOW DO WE ACTUALLY DO THE MATH ON HOW MANY UNITS WE'RE GONNA BE GETTING? THAT'S NUMBER ONE. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, UH, WORKFORCE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT SEEMS TO BE LIKE ALWAYS, WE'RE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT IT, BUT LIKE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY MENTION OF IT IN, IN SPECIFICS. 
          LIKE, WHAT IS THE STRATEGY GONNA BE TO ACTUALLY GET, UM, HOUSING FOR PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY ALREADY WORK HERE? YOU KNOW? SO THAT WAS ANOTHER ONE. 
          UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS DENSITY. 
          UM, THERE'S A LOT OF TALK ABOUT DENSITY. 
          PEOPLE HAVE,  HAVE, UM, DIFFERENT WAYS OF CALCULATING HOW WE, HOW WE ACHIEVE THAT. 
          AND I THINK, UM, IF WE'RE GONNA TALK TO THE PUBLIC, THERE NEEDS TO BE OPTIONS AND LIKE EXAMPLES AND, UM, VISUALS SO THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANS. 
          AND THEN THERE'S, THERE'S THE OTHER IDEA THAT, UM, IF WE HAVE ALL THIS, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE 12,000 UNITS AVAILABLE TO US IN ALL THESE SCENARIOS, WHAT IS, UM, AND THAT FOUR STORIES IS FOUR STORIES AND LESS IS ONLY THE THING THAT'S VIABLE. 
          WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT SEVEN AND SIX STORIES IN, IN NEIGHBORHOOD AREAS? I, I JUST, THESE ARE QUESTIONS THAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE GONNA ASK. 
          SO JUST LIKE IF WE'RE GETTING TO NUMBERS, LIKE, AND WE'RE GOING FOR HEIGHT, WHAT, HOW, HOW DO WE CALCULATE SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE REASONABLE AND STILL GET US WHAT WE WANT FROM OUR VISION? IF WE GO BACK TO OUR VISION, IT WAS TO KEEP OUR NEIGHBORHOODS TO HAVE, UM, OUR HISTORIC RESOURCES PROTECTED, INCLUDING OUR AG, UM, HISTORIC RESOURCES THAT AT, I WAS AT THAT MEETING. 
          AND, UM, THERE WEREN'T A LOT OF, THERE WASN'T A LOT OF SUPPORT FOR TAKING THAT IN. 
          SO I'M REALLY SURPRISED THAT IT ACTUALLY CAME IN TONIGHT AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION, BECAUSE MOST OF THE PEOPLE ON THE GPAC WEREN'T IN SUPPORT OF TAKING AG RESOURCES OUT. 
          SO THAT WAS ANOTHER THING. 
          UM, I OUTTA TIME. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          DARREN CUSON. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          UH, I'LL SAY THAT'S PROBABLY MY SECOND OR THIRD TIME HEARING THIS PRESENTATION. 
          AND IT, IT GETS BETTER EVERY TIME. 
          I THINK. 
          UH, I WANTED TO BRING UP ONE THING RIGHT OUTTA THE GATE REGARDING LAND USE ALTERNATIVES. 
          UH, AND IT IS REGARDING THE HISTORICAL AGRICULTURAL AREAS. 
          UH, I WAS ALSO AT THE GPAC PROCESS AROUND THOSE PROPERTIES AND THERE WAS DISCUSSION AROUND IT, AND THERE WAS DEFINITELY NOT A UN CONSENSUS, A UNANIMOUS CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE AREAS TO DISCUSS CHANGING LAND USE. 
          UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS ALSO, THERE'S A PIECE OF THIS FOR ME THAT GOES INTO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FRAMEWORK WHERE WE CALL OUT THE IMPORTANCE OF AGRICULTURE AND WE CALL OUT THE NEED TO SUPPORT AGRICULTURE. 
          AND IN SPEAKING, UH, WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE GAC COMMITTEE, AND THEN WITH OUR OWN, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION AD HOC ON THIS ISSUE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, WELL, HOW DO YOU SUPPORT AG? BECAUSE A LOT OF THOSE DECISIONS GET MADE AT A REGIONAL LEVEL. 
          THINGS, BODIES LIKE THE FARM BUREAU. 
          WHAT, WHAT IMPACT CAN A CITY HAVE TO SUPPORT WHAT WE ARE ACKNOWLEDGING IN OUR ECONOMIC PIECE AS KIND OF A VITAL AND UNIQUE ASSET TO OUR CITY? AND REALLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS WE CAN DO IS LAND USE WITHIN THE CITY. 
          ONE OF THE ONLY THINGS ONLY CONTROLS WE HAVE IS FOR ANY SUPPORTING OR EXISTING AGRICULTURAL LAND USE IN THE CITY, IS TO SUPPORT THAT TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY. 
          YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S DISCUSSIONS AROUND WHETHER THE CITY CAN LEND POLITICAL CLOUT TO SUPPORT AG, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S THIS UPCOMING LEGISLATION, UH, OR ANYTHING ELSE. 
          BUT I THINK ONE DEFINITE STRATEGY WE CAN HAVE IS TO SUPPORT EXISTING AGRICULTURAL LAND USES. 
          SO BY PUTTING THAT ON THE TABLE FOR A CHANGE IN USE, I THINK YOU'RE IMMEDIATELY KIND OF COUNTERING WHAT YOUR STATED GOALS ARE IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FRAMEWORK. 
          I THINK THAT'S BOUND TO HAPPEN WHEN YOU HAVE THESE OVERLAPPING FRAMEWORKS WHERE THINGS DON'T ALWAYS MATCH PERFECTLY. 
          BUT THAT ONE REALLY STOOD OUT AS, LOOK IN THIS ONE FRAMEWORK, WE'RE MAKING A BIG COMMITMENT. 
          THE COMMUNITY IS REALLY BEHIND THAT. 
          AND I THINK AT THE SAME TIME IN THE LAND USE, PUTTING THAT ON THE TABLE TO SAY, HEY, SHOULD WE THINK 
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ABOUT CHANGING THIS USE, I THINK IS A LITTLE BIT CONTRAINDICATED. 
          SO I, I THINK THAT ONE'S WORTH REMOVING, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY AREAS, THESE AREAS, THE CORRIDORS, THE DOWNTOWN THAT ARE GONNA REQUIRE SO MUCH ATTENTION, UH, AND DISCUSSION. 
          AND THEN ASIDE FROM THAT, UH, I THINK THE 15 MINUTE NEIGHBORHOOD CONCEPT, I THINK, UH, RON AND TROY REALLY FAITHFULLY REPRESENTED SOME OF THAT DISCUSSION AT PLANNING DISCUSSION AT PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          AND I THINK FOR ME, ONE OF THE BIG THINGS IS HOW DOES THIS BECOME AN EXERCISE WHERE YOU DON'T TRY TO OVER PLAN? AND THEN, UH, THIS IS SOMETHING I THINK I'M GONNA BE ECHOING DAVE ALDEN FROM GPAC TALKING ABOUT TRANSIT AND HOW DO YOU START WITH TRANSIT NODES? BECAUSE OFTEN THAT'S REALLY DIFFICULT, ESPECIALLY IN THESE EAST SIDE NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE YOU HAVE A LOT OF CUL-DE-SACS AND IT'S DIFFICULT TO GET AROUND. 
          HOW DO YOU MAKE SURE YOU'RE STARTING WITH 15 MINUTE NODES THAT ARE CONDUCIVE TO TRANSIT, WHETHER THE FUNDING IS THERE YET OR NOT, UH, BUT KIND OF START WITH THAT FRAMEWORK AND THEN BUILD OUT RETAIL AND THIRD SPACE AROUND THAT. 
          UH, SO YEAH, LOOK FORWARD TO MORE DISCUSSION. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU DWAYNE BELLINGER. 
          UM, JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON, ON ONE, ONE ITEM THERE WAS THAT THE, UM, IT SEEMS THAT THE FLOODWAY IS A GREAT PLACE TO PUT BOTH PARKS AND AGRICULTURE. 
          UM, AND THAT WASN'T MY, MY TOPIC. 
          UM, WHAT, WHAT I WANTED TO SAY WAS JUST ONE LITTLE OBJECTION. 
          YOUR, YOUR MAP THERE IN THE CENTER PUTS THESE CIRCLES OUTSIDE OF THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY, AND THAT'S LIKELY TO SCARE THE VOTERS THAT I KNOW. 
          IT'S, IT'S NICE TO HAVE BIG CIRCLES, UH, LIKE, LIKE THE NORTH OF CORONA, UH, THAT IS ONLY WITH THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY EXPANSION AREA IS ONLY 89 OR 90 ACRES AND IT'S MUCH SMALLER THAN THE CIRCLE. 
          AND I, I JUST DON'T WANNA SCARE THE VOTERS. 
          I, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO THE EXACT RIGHT WAY OF PUTTING IN, UH, HIGH DENSITY WHERE, WHERE IT'S NEAR TRANSPORTATION AND WHERE, WHERE PEOPLE JUST THE WHOLE THING, YOUR WHOLE PRESENTATION HERE TODAY. 
          THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. 
          WELL, I, I'D LIKE TO ECHO THAT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR. 
          IT'S A BIG, IT'S A BIG DEAL IN LAND USE IS THE ONE WE'RE, WE'RE ALL LOOKING FOR. 
          UM, HOW ABOUT WE DO, UM, A LIGHTNING ROUND OF QUICK QUESTIONS RATHER THAN ANY, YOU KNOW, UH, POLITICAL STATEMENTS OR, UH, UM, DEEP THOUGHTS. 
          LET'S JUST GO FOR THE QUICK QUESTIONS. 
          UM, ANYBODY VOLUNTEER ON THIS SIGN? UM, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY, QUICK QUESTION. 
          IT'S GREAT. 
          AM I AT A CLOCK?  YOUR OWN PERSONAL, UM, SO THERE WAS MENTION, I'M GONNA KIND OF FLIP THROUGH SOME DIFFERENT THINGS HERE. 
          THERE WAS MENTION OF 2000 PIPELINE HOUSING UNITS, UH, THAT WE HAVE. 
          COULD WE GET A, A, A CHARTER, A MAP OR SOMETHING TELLING US WHAT THOSE ARE? I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHAT THOSE PIPELINE HOUSING PROJECTS ARE. 
          I DON'T NEED IT NOW. 
          I JUST, THIS IS SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO ADD. 
          YES, WE CAN DO THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, THAT WAS ONE, UM, THERE'S BEEN MENTION OF THE UGB EXPANSION AREA NEAR THE CORONA RAIL STATION, UM, AND I HEARD A NUMBER OF ACRES MENTIONED, AND IT WAS A FAIRLY HIGH NUMBER OF ACRES BECAUSE AS I RECALL THE EXPANSION AREA AND OUR EXISTING UGB, IT'S 500 FEET FROM THE, THE, THE STATION PLATFORM, WHICH WOULD NOT BE THAT MANY ACRES. 
          SO IS IS THERE A PLAN TO MODIFY THAT UGB EXPANSION AREA WHEN WE GO TO THE VOTERS IN NOVEMBER TO MAKE IT BIGGER? I CAN, I CAN RESPOND TO THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WHEN WE WERE, UM, BEFORE THE COUNCIL IN, UH, JANUARY FOR WORKSHOP ABOUT THE UGB, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WE DISCUSSED THAT CURRENTLY THE EXCEPTION IS FOR A 1500 FOOT RADIUS FROM THE STATION. 
          AND WE HAD, AS STAFF HAD, UM, BROUGHT UP CHANGING THAT TO A HALF MILE RADIUS. 
          UM, AND THE COUNCIL WAS FAVORABLE AT MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT WILL BE WHEN WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE, UM, INFORMATION FOR THE BALLOT MEASURE THAT WOULD BE INCORPORATED. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND I GUESS MY KIND OF OVERARCHING QUESTION AND, AND THIS, UM, HAS SEVERAL LITTLE SUBPARTS, BUT I'M, I'M, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT HOW GROUNDED IN ECONOMIC REALITY THESE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS ARE. 
          UM, ONE OF OUR SPEAKERS JUST TALKED ABOUT, AND THE CONSULTANT TALKED EARLIER ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THREE TO SIX STORY UNITS, UH, NOT REALLY BEING AN ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE, UH, IN PETALUMA AT THE PRESENT TIME BECAUSE RENTS AREN'T HIGH ENOUGH. 
          AND THAT KIND OF GRATES ON OUR EARS 'CAUSE WE THINK THE RENTS ARE PLENTY HIGH, BUT FOR A DEVELOPER MARKET RATE DEVELOPER TRYING TO BUILD STUFF WITH THE CURRENT ECONOMY, THEY'RE NOT HIGH ENOUGH. 
          SO I I'M NOT SURE THAT WHY WOULD WE WANNA PUT THINGS IN OUR GENERAL PLAN THAT ARE NOT ECONOMICALLY VIABLE NOW OR ANYTIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE? SO THAT, THAT'S A QUESTION. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER IT. 
          BUT, UH, THAT, THAT, THAT STRUCK ME. 
          AND SIMILARLY, UM, 
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ON, ON THE, UM, ON THE AGRICULTURAL SUPPORT, UM, FOLKS, I, I KNOW THE C'S VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THOSE, BUT I, I'M WONDERING IF, IF ANYONE HAS REACHED OUT TO THOSE, THOSE COMPANIES AND, AND ASKED WHAT THEIR, THEY FEEL THEIR ECONOMIC FUTURE IS. 
          UM, I KNOW THE OWNERS OF AT LEAST ONE OF THE DAIRY, UH, ONE OF THE GRAINERY IS, ARE RETI REACHING RETIREMENT AGE AND ARE LOOKING FOR OPTIONS. 
          AND, AND I DON'T QUITE FRANKLY KNOW WHAT THEIR LONG-TERM PROSPECTS FOR THOSE BUSINESSES TO BE SUCCESSFUL ARE, IS WE READ ABOUT DAIRY HERDS BEING REDUCED IN THE COUNTY. 
          UM, POULTRY IS, YOU KNOW, STRUGGLING TO SURVIVE RIGHT NOW WITH AVIAN FLU. 
          UM, SO I I I, I REALLY THINK IN ORDER TO MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS ABOUT THOSE THINGS, WE, WE SHOULD ACTUALLY REACH OUT TO THOSE FOLKS AND, AND ASK THE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT'S, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THEY THINK, UH, THEIR PROSPECTS ARE GOING FORWARD. 
          'CAUSE ON THE ONE HAND, WE WANNA SUPPORT AG, ON THE OTHER HAND, WE DON'T WANT A BUNCH OF EMPTY AG SUPPORT BUILDINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE SHUTTERED. 
          SO, UM, THERE'S THAT. 
          AND THEN SIMILARLY, I WAS A LITTLE BIT SURPRISED. 
          I PLEASANTLY SURPRISED ACTUALLY TO SEE THE, UH, VACANT PROPERTY BY CASA GRANDE MENTIONED. 
          UM, I, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THAT WAS UNDEVELOPABLE UNDEVELOPABLE GIVEN OUR VMT STANDARD. 
          UM, AND, UM, SO, BUT I SEE IT SHOWING UP THERE AS, YOU KNOW, A NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, THERE, THERE'S TALK OF A SMALL GROCERY STORE THERE AND THOSE OF US WHO'VE LIVED IN TOWN FOR A WHILE WILL RECALL THERE WAS A, A RETAIL GROCERY STORE AROUND THE CORNER AND IT FAILED, UM, BECAUSE IT COULDN'T COMPETE WITH THE BIG GUYS. 
          AND, UM, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS CLOSER, IT'S NOW A GYM. 
          UM, SO I, YOU KNOW, I I I'D LIKE A LITTLE BIT MORE THOUGHT OR RESEARCH INTO THE REALITIES OF WHERE DIFFERENT KINDS OF RETAIL CAN SUCCESSFULLY LOCATE AND, AND GROCERY STORES WOULD BE ONE OF THOSE. 
          UM, AND OH, I, I HAD A QUESTION. 
          UM, HAVE, HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU CON IN A SIMILAR VEIN, HAVE YOU CONTACTED THE OWNERS OF SOME OF THESE MAJOR PROPERTY, UH, SHOPPING CENTERS? WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, I KNOW I'VE MENTIONED HERE IN THE PAST THAT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WITH THE GOLDEN EAGLE OR WHATEVER IT'S CALLED THESE DAYS, UM, THE GROCERY OUTLET STORE HAS I THINK THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE YEAR OPTION EXTENSIONS, UM, THAT IT CAN EXERCISE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THE ECONOMIC REALITY IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DRAW ANYTHING WE WANT ON, ON MAPS, BUT THEY MAY NOT BE DISLODGED ANYTIME SOON. 
          SO I, I, I WOULD ENCOURAGE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE OWNERS OF THE DIFFERENT SHOPPING CENTERS, UM, AROUND THESE ISSUES AS WELL. 
          AND THEN I HAD ONE FINAL ONE, DA DA DA. 
          OH, ARE, ARE WE GONNA BE REVISITING THE SMART AREA, SMART STATION AREA, MASTER PLAN AREA? IS THAT GONNA BE, ARE WE JUST GOING TO TREAT THAT AS A GIVEN? I'M, I'M, I'M SATISFIED WITH THAT DOCUMENT. 
          I THINK IT'S PRETTY AMBITIOUS. 
          UM, BUT IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE SOME OF THIS IS GONNA REVISIT SOME OF THE AREAS THAT ARE COVERED BY THAT. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, NEEDING AN ANSWER ON ANY OF THOSE, IF I WANT TO. 
          IF SO, IF, IF SO KIND. 
          I, I HAD A FEW QUICK THOUGHTS. 
          UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF QUESTIONS THERE, BUT THE FIRST ONE I THINK IS AN IMPORTANT QUESTION, WHICH IS WHY LOOK AT OR CONSIDER THINGS THAT ARE NOT MARKET VIABLE NOW? UM, I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE ANSWERS TO IT, AND DEREK COULD GO INTO MORE, BUT MARKET CYCLES CHANGE, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEARS, 10 YEARS, THEY'RE NOT AS LONG. 
          THE CYCLE OF THE GENERAL PLAN IS LONGER THAN A MARKET CYCLE. 
          WE MAY HAVE THREE OR FOUR MARKET CYCLES WITHIN THIS GENERAL PLAN CYCLE. 
          SO WE MAY WANT TO PRIORITIZE THE VISION AND THE TYPE OF INTENSITY THAT WE WANT AS A COMMUNITY. 
          EVEN IF TODAY THE MARKET SAYS NO, THE MARKET MAY SAY YES IN 10 YEARS, AND WE MAY FEEL GOOD ABOUT A DIFFERENT TYPE OF, WE MAY PREFER SOMETHING THAT THE MARKET DOESN'T SUPPORT NOW FROM A COMMUNITY STANDPOINT, A DESIGN STANDPOINT. 
          BUT AGAIN, YEAH, THE MARKETS MAY CHANGE. 
          YOU MIGHT HAVE MASS TIMBER COME ON AND RADICALLY CHANGE BUILDING TYPOLOGIES, BUILDING COSTS. 
          SO THERE ARE, THERE ARE GOOD REASONS FOR US TO POTENTIALLY EXPLORE THOSE THINGS. 
          UM, AND I THINK YOUR, YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE OWNERS OF THE AG BUSINESSES WAS ALSO BROUGHT UP IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION ABOUT TALKING TO SOME OF THESE GRANARY OWNERS. 
          SO THAT'S, I THINK SOMETHING THAT'S OF GREAT INTEREST. 
          UM, AND THEN ON THE QUESTION OF, YOU KNOW, REACHING OUT TO SOME OF THE SHOPPING MALL OWNERS, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD ONE. 
          YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ON OUR TEAM, UH, GREENS FOLDER WHO'S A VERY PLUGGED IN, YOU KNOW, LOCAL RETAIL CONSULTANT. 
          SO HE IS VERY WELL AWARE OF SOME OF THOSE LEASE SITUATIONS. 
          AND SO WE FACTORED SOME OF THAT INTO SOME OF OUR CENTERS. 
          WE'VE, WE 
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PRIORITIZE CERTAIN SHOPPING CENTERS OVER OTHERS BASED IN PART ON SOME OF THOSE, SOME OF THAT KNOWLEDGE THAT OUR RETAIL CONSULTANT HAD. 
          SO WE THINK CERTAIN CENTERS ARE MORE LIKELY TO TURN OVER THAN OTHERS, BUT I THINK THAT'S A, WE COULD HAVE A CONTINUING CONVERSATION WITH THOSE OWNERS AS WE MOVE FORWARD. 
          I'M GONNA ADD A COUPLE MORE POINTS AND THEN DEREK, IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD, UM, ON THAT LAST POINT, JUST TO REINFORCE THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          DURING EARLY PHASES OF THE PLANNING PROCESS, DAVE GREENSFELDER, OUR RETAIL SPECIALIST, SAT DOWN WITH, INTERVIEWED SEVERAL LANDOWNERS DEVELOPERS TO REALLY GET HIS HAND HEAD AROUND THE RETAIL MARKET IN PETALUMA. 
          AND HIS ANALYSIS AND RECOMMENDATIONS VERY MUCH INFORMED OUR CONSIDERATION OF POTENTIAL LAND USE CHANGE AREAS AND SPECIFICALLY THE 15 MINUTE CENTERS. 
          AND SO DON'T, I THINK WE REMOVED ALL POTENTIAL 15 MINUTE CENTERS THAT DAVE CONSIDERED NOT INFEASIBLE FROM A RETAIL PERSPECTIVE. 
          SO I THINK WHAT YOU CURRENTLY SEE ON THE MAP, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME ASSUMPTION THAT THERE'S SOME FEASIBILITY FROM A RETAIL PERSPECTIVE. 
          IF, IF IT'S EITHER A TOWN OR A NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER, IF, IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S A LOT OF INTEREST IN THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC, WE CERTAINLY COULD BRING DAVE GREENSVILLE OR TO A MEETING AND, AND TALK IN MORE DETAIL ABOUT SOME OF THAT. 
          AND THEN QUICKLY ON THE AG, UM, SERVICES DISTRICT, WE DIDN'T ORIGINALLY HAVE THAT IN OUR, AS, AS AREAS IDENTIFIED FOR POTENTIAL CHANGE. 
          IT WAS A GPAC MEMBER THAT ACTUALLY SUGGESTED, WE CONSIDER THEM, UM, REALLY LOOKING AT IT FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF THE NEED FOR HOUSING AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING SPECIFICALLY. 
          AND SO IT ELICITED QUITE A VIBRANT DISCUSSION WITHIN THE GPAC. 
          AND THERE WAS, THERE, IT WAS REALLY SPLIT, THERE WAS NOT CONSENSUS. 
          SOME FELT STRONGLY THAT WE SHOULD ASK THE COMMUNITY ABOUT WHETHER WE SHOULD CONSIDER CHANGE. 
          THERE OTHER FELT STRONGLY THAT WE REALLY SHOULDN'T OPEN UP THAT CAN OF WORMS. AND IF LANDOWNERS ARE INTERESTED, THEY CAN PROCEED AND, AND REQUEST A GENERAL PLAN LAND USE CHANGE. 
          AND SO WE ARE VERY INTERESTED IN YOUR, YOUR THOUGHTS ON WHETHER WE SHOULD EVEN MAKE THAT A PUBLIC QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER WE SHOULD CONSIDER LAND USE CHANGE IN THOSE AREAS. 
          UM, YEAH, I THINK THAT WAS IT. 
          DEREK, DID YOU WANNA ADD ANYTHING FROM THE ECONOMIC PERSPECTIVE? UH, JUST TWO SMALL POINTS. 
          I THINK YOU'VE COVERED THE QUESTIONS REALLY WELL. 
          UH, SO ONE OF THOSE IS A LITTLE BIT OF A DISCONNECT BETWEEN THE AGRICULTURAL SERVICES DISTRICT AND THOSE HISTORIC LONGSTANDING USES VERSUS THE AGRICULTURAL INDUSTRY AS A WHOLE. 
          AND SO WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT THROUGH THE LENS OF THE ECONOMY AND THE CITY AND WHERE IT SITS WITHIN THE COUNTY AS A WHOLE, WE'RE ALSO THINKING ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT RELATED SERVICES AND MANUFACTURING THAT IS INVOLVED WITH FOOD PRODUCTION, UM, EVEN WINE PRODUCTION. 
          AND SO SOME OF THOSE USES ACTUALLY DON'T SIT IN THE ACTS SERVICES DISTRICT IN THOSE, UH, HISTORIC AREAS, BUT ACTUALLY SIT WITHIN THE BUSINESS PARKS AND INDUSTRIAL PARKS OF THE CITY. 
          SO I JUST WANNA PUT THAT OUT THERE AS WELL. 
          UM, AND THEN AS FAR AS THE, UH, POTENTIAL FOR CHANGE AT SOME OF THE SHOPPING CENTERS IDENTIFIED AS 15 MINUTE CENTERS, UM, IN ADDITION TO DAVID GREENSFELDER HAVING ALREADY KIND OF SCREENED THOSE CENTERS, UH, THE PLAN WILL OF COURSE INCLUDE A SET OF POLICY AND ACTION DIRECTION THAT CAN HELP THE CITY TO SUPPORT THOSE SHOPPING CENTER OWNERS AND EXPLORING OPPORTUNITIES AS WELL AS DOING THINGS LIKE RESOLVING, UM, LEASE RESTRICTIONS OR PROVIDING INCENTIVES FOR THOSE SHOPPING CENTER OWNERS TO WANT TO MOVE TOWARDS REDEVELOPMENT OVER TIME. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I WE'RE VERY AWARE OF THE PRACTICAL CHALLENGES AND ARE THINKING ABOUT WHAT POLICIES CAN HELP TO OVERCOME OR, OR ADDRESS THOSE AS WELL. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER NOW, UM, THANK YOU. 
          UM, THIS 15 MINUTE CITY MAP THAT WE HAVE BEHIND US, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE CASA GRANDE, WHICH IS NUMBER FOUR ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND TODAY, , MY DISTRICT IS DISTRICT THREE AND LAKEVILLE AND MCDOWELL HAS ONE LITTLE SHOPPING CENTER IN MY DISTRICT, AND IT HAS LIKE, UH, A MAJOR RESTAURANT AND UH, A STARBUCKS WITH A DRIVE THROUGH. 
          BUT I HAPPENED TO HAVE LUNCH THERE, AND I WATCHED HOW MANY PEOPLE BICYCLE ACROSS MA LAKE, PHIL, DELL, MCDOWELL TO SCHULLENBERGER BECAUSE THAT'S OUR PARK. 
          AND THEN HOW MANY EMPLOYEES WERE WALKING AROUND AT LUNCHTIME, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE AN HOUR TO KILL, SO THEY GRAB LUNCH, BUT THEY'RE ALSO EXERCISING. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF THOSE EMPLOYEES ACTUALLY RIDE THEIR BIKES TO THOSE, THOSE TECH BUILDINGS. 
          BUT THERE'S ALSO SCHOOLS IN THAT, IN THAT INDUSTRIAL PARK, KAISER'S RIGHT THERE. 
          AND BECAUSE WE'VE CHANGED SOME OF THE TRAFFIC DIRECTION FOR SAFETY ON LAKEVILLE, THEY'RE COMING DOWN MCDOWELL. 
          AND I 
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ACTUALLY MET SOME PEOPLE WHO WERE JUST DRIVING BY, UM, DOWN LAKEVILLE ON THEIR WAY TO BODEGA, AND THEY WERE HUNGRY AND THEY STOPPED IN INDIA HAVE LUNCH. 
          SO I AM THINKING THAT WOULD BE A GOOD HUB. 
          IT'S THE ONLY SHOPPING CENTER IN DISTRICT THREE, AND IT'S ALREADY EXISTS, AND IT ALREADY IS A HUB OF ACTIVITY WITH BIKING AND PEDESTRIANS AND, UM, PEOPLE COMING IN BECAUSE IT'S THE ENTRANCE TO, UH, PETALUMA OFF OF LAKEVILLE. 
          AND IT'S, IT'S AN ACTIVE SHOPPING CENTER ALREADY THAT I'D LOVE TO SEE IT GET ON OUR 15 MINUTE, UM, MAP BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S THE ONLY NEIGHBORHOOD SHOPPING CENTER IN THAT LOWER SOUTH MCDOWELL NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? DO YOU MEAN ARROYO? THE ARROYO CENTER, ARROYO'S JUST A LITTLE BIT UP AND THAT'S GOT A GYM AND A DELI AND CASA GRANDE STUDENTS WALK THERE, BUT THE CASA GRANDE STUDENTS ALSO WALK TO THAT STARBUCKS, SO I KNOW THEY'RE, THEY'RE USING THAT CORRIDOR. 
          AND THAT MIGHT BE IN LIEU OF THE MARINA, UH, OR THE COSTA GRANDE SITE, WHICH ISN'T EVEN BUILT OUT YET. 
          AND ALSO ON AG, WELL, I'M THINKING ABOUT IT, THE CREAMERY IS ACTUALLY AG BUSINESS, SO I'M WONDERING WHY IT DIDN'T GET DEFINED AS AN AG BUSINESS. 
          IT'S JUST, UM, I THINK IT'S LISTED AS A, UM, IT'S NUMBER NINE ON THE 15 MINUTE CITY DRAFT, BUT IT IS OUR AG BUSINESS, IT SELLS AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTS, AND IT'S ALSO A RESTAURANT AND A TOUR DESTINATION. 
          SO, UM, OKAY, SO WE WANT TO ASK IF THAT'S A LAND USE, CURRENT LAND USE. 
          YEAH, SO THE, UM, THE QUESTION OR THE DISCUSSION AROUND HISTORIC AGRICULTURAL SERVICES DISTRICT, THAT'S A SPECIFIC ZONE WHICH IS APPLIED TO THE TWO PARCELS DOWNTOWN. 
          UM, SO THAT'S NOT TO IGNORE THAT THERE ARE OTHER AGRICULTURAL SERVING BUSINESS, IT'S JUST THAT THERE'S, ARE THERE, THERE'S TWO SPECIFIC PARCELS, THE HUNT AND BARONS, RIGHT? THE TWO LARGEST S THE GRANARIES ARE SORT OF RECOGNIZED FOR THAT ONLY. 
          SO WE WERE JUST FOCUSED ON THOSE, BUT OKAY. 
          THE QUESTION WAS JUST WE'RE ONLY BUILDING THE GREENERY. 
          YEAH. 
          THE QUESTION WAS WHETHER THOSE TWO GREEN REEF IN PARTICULAR ARE PERHAPS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, BUT IT WASN'T TO DISREGARD THAT THE CREAMERY IS ALSO A SITE OF INTEREST. 
          IT WAS JUST, IT'S JUST NOT ZONED AS A, AS AN AGRICULTURAL, IT'S A ZONE IS INDUSTRIAL, NOT, IT JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN TO BE ZONED AS AN AGRICUL. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT THAT WAS, THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS. 
          THE OTHER, UM, IN SUMMER OF 2022, THERE WAS A HUGE WORKSHOP ON 15 MINUTES CITIES AND THE COMMUNITY FILLED OUT LITTLE THINGS ABOUT DID, WHERE DID THAT INFORMATION GO? I WASN'T ON THE COUNCIL, SO I DON'T KNOW WHO PUT ON THAT WORKSHOP, BUT I KNEW THERE WERE COUNCIL MEMBERS AT THAT, THAT WAS, THAT WAS ESTA. 
          OH. 
          UM, AND THAT, AND THERE IS A FINAL REPORT THAT SSTA FINAL REPORT WITH RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT COMMUNITY EFFORT. 
          IT'S ON THE WEBSITE. 
          YEAH, IT IS ON THE WEBSITE. 
          AND IT IS, PART OF IT IS ONE OF THE INPUTS THAT WE USED IN COMING UP WITH THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE 15 MINUTE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE FRAMEWORKS. 
          AND SO IT IS AN, IT IS A INPUT INTO THIS PROCESS AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, IT REMINDED ME A LOT OF THE CHARETTE WE DID 20 YEARS AGO DESIGNING THE THEATER IN DOWNTOWN, SO BEFORE THE LAST GENERAL PLAN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. 
          THAT'S YOUR QUESTIONS. 
          UH, COUNCIL MEMBER . 
          UM, I, I WOULD AGREE WITH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER NOW'S COMMENTS ABOUT THAT AREA AS A, AS A NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, UH, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S NOT MY DISTRICT, UM, GOOD, GOOD QUESTION. 
          BUT, BUT ALSO, UM, I, UH, UM, I, I, I SUPPOSE I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. 
          I'M, I'M, I'M GOOD WITH, UH, THE, THE PRESENTATION THAT'S BEEN MADE AND, AND, UM, UH, OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE SOME THINGS. 
          I MEAN, UH, I GUESS THE ONLY ONE I WOULD MENTION, JUST 'CAUSE I LIVE OUT AT THE WEST EDGE NEAR PUTNAM PARK, AND, UH, UM, EVEN THOUGH AS THE CROW FLIES WE'RE WITHIN A 15 MINUTE WALK OF SOME OF THESE HUBS, WE'RE NOT TRULY, UH, THAT IT'S MORE LIKE A 25 MINUTE WALK. 
          YEAH. 
          , BECAUSE I DO IT A LOT OF MORNING BREAK DOWN. 
          HOW ON YOUR COUNCIL MEMBER BARNICLE ? YEP. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER POST K. 
          WE TRIED WITH THE SCOTT RANDS PROJECT TO, UH, WELL, SOME OF US DID, AT LEAST TO, TO GET A LITTLE COFFEE SHOP OUT THERE. 
          UM, SO MY QUESTION IS FOR, UM, KELLY, UM, 
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THE ACCESSIBILITY CHANGE, I LOVED SEEING THAT. 
          UM, I UNDERSTAND ACCESSIBILITY TO ALSO COME WITH A, A PREMIUM IN HOME VALUES. 
          AND I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO TO ESTIMATE INCREASES IN HOME VALUES AS A RESULT OF MAKING, UM, IN IMPROVING THE ACCESSIBILITY TO SERVICES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          I, I THINK I COULD TAKE THAT ONE, BUT, UM, THERE, THERE IS EVIDENCE FOR THAT AND THERE'S LITERATURE OUT THERE ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, PERFORMING A REALLY DISCREET ANALYSIS FOR PETALUMA AS PART OF THAT MIGHT BE KIND OF TRICKY TO DO, BUT THERE IS EVIDENCE THAT WE COULD BRING FORWARD FOR THAT KIND OF THING. 
          GREAT. 
          I WOULD, WOULD SUGGEST THAT THERE'S, UM, I WOULD SAY SOME RHETORIC RIGHT NOW THAT 15 MINUTE NEIGHBORHOODS IS LIKE CODED FOR SOCIAL ENGINEERING AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THIS LIKE DARK WEB CONSPIRACY AROUND IT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          THERE'S, UM, PRETTY RICH, UH, NEXTDOOR, YOU KNOW, THREAD ON IT A COUPLE WEEKS AGO. 
          AND I WOULD, UM, ENCOURAGE US WHEN WE SHOW THOSE MAPS TO ALSO BRING FORWARD SOME OF THAT EVIDENCE BECAUSE, UM, THE, THE ACCESSIBILITY BENEFITS OF BETTER STREETS DESIGNS AND ACCESSIBILITY TO THINGS, I THINK IS SOMETHING TO HIGHLIGHT AS WE, WE, UM, INTRODUCE THESE CONCEPTS TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, MY SECOND, I'M GONNA PHRASE IT IN THE FORM OF A QUESTION ON THE 15 MINUTE CENTERS MAPS, CAN WE ALSO OVERLAY OUR EXISTING TRANSIT LINES? THAT WOULD BE REALLY GREAT TO JUST START TO ENVISION THAT. 
          UM, AND IF WE CAN, UM, PUT ON THOSE TRANSIT LINES, UM, THE HEADWAYS, LIKE WE'VE GOT TWO LINES THAT ARE, IT'S THE, THE 11 AND THE 24 THAT RUN EVERY 30 MINUTES AND THE REST OF 'EM, RIGHT, THAT ARE AT AN HOUR. 
          UM, AND SO JUST PUTTING THE HEADWAYS AND SHOWING THE LINES AND THEN PUTTING THE HEADWAYS ON THERE, UM, I THINK IT'D BE INTERESTING TO SEE JUST HOW FAR WE HAVE TO GO TO GET TO 15 MINUTE HEADWAYS TO CONNECT OUR, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERS. 
          UM, BUT I'D REALLY LOVE TO SEE THAT MAP. 
          UM, UH, IN TERMS OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, I THINK, UM, IT MIGHT BE REALLY, UM, EXCITING TO HOST SOME SORT OF LIKE OUTDOOR VISIONING, UH, AT THE DIFFERENT COMMUNITY CENTERS. 
          UM, AND JUST SORT OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD SEND IN, UM, YOU KNOW, A CARD TO EVERYBODY WITHIN A QUARTER OF A MILE OF THAT CENTER AND SAY, WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THIS COULD LOOK LIKE 25 YEARS FROM NOW. 
          AND JUST TRY AND GET PEOPLE TO BE IN THAT DESIGN THINKING MIND ABOUT WHAT THEIR SPECIFIC SORT OF NEIGHBORHOOD STARTS TO LOOK LIKE AND HOW IT EVOLVES. 
          UM, COULD BE REALLY, UM, THE CLOSER WE GET TO PEOPLE'S HOMES, THE MORE THEY GIVE A CRAP. 
          SO LET'S, UM, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE THE 15 MINUTE NEIGHBORHOOD IS SO, SO PERSONAL AND SO CLOSE TO HOME, LITERALLY THAT, UM, STARTING TO DO SOME OUTREACH IN THAT, UM, THROUGH THAT LENS COULD BE REALLY EXCITING FOR PEOPLE. 
          UM, OR NOT , BUT IT'LL BE THERE. 
          UM, AND THEN TOTALLY AGREE WITH WHAT VERONICA SAID ABOUT OUR HOUSING STRATEGY AND THAT, UM, THE, THE NEED TO, TO START TALKING ABOUT HOUSING FROM THE LENS OF, OF REALLY LIKE THE PEOPLE WHO, WHO CURRENTLY WERE NOT HOUSING IS, YOU KNOW, AND NOT JUST FROM DEED RESTRICTED, BUT FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS, UM, AS THE, THE PERSON ON HERE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, ENTERING PARENTHOOD. 
          I, UM, I RESENT THE IDEA THAT WE'RE AN AGING COMMUNITY BECAUSE I REALLY WANT US TO BE A FAMILY FRIENDLY COMMUNITY. 
          AND, UM, I'D LOVE TO SEE US START THINKING ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO TO SUPPORT MORE YOUNG FAMILIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          COMING TO PETALUMA, UM, FEELING LIKE THEY CAN SEE A HOME THERE. 
          UM, I, I READ SOME OF THE, THE FRAMEWORKS AND SOME OF THE, THE THINGS THAT, IT JUST FELT LIKE WE WERE SORT OF RELEGATING OURSELVES TO BECOMING A RETIREMENT COMMUNITY. 
          AND I THINK THAT WE REALLY, LET'S TRY AND LIKE HUNKER BACK TO SOME OF OUR LIKE BLUE COLLAR FAMILY ROOTS A LITTLE BIT AND SEE WHAT THE, THE FUTURE OF, OF WORKING FAMILIES IN PETALUMA MIGHT LOOK LIKE. 
          UM, AND THEN I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THE COMMENTER, UH, DARREN, ABOUT HISTORIC AG. 
          UM, THERE MAY BE A DAY WHEN WE HAVE TO EXAMINE CHANGING THE USES ON THOSE PROPERTIES, BUT, UM, TO CHANGE THE USE OR EVEN OPEN THAT CONVERSATION AT THIS POINT IS A HUGE DIVERGENT FROM WHAT WE SAY OUR VISION IS FOR OUR CITY AND WHAT WE SAY OUR HISTORIC, UM, OUR HISTORIC ROOTS, UM, OUR AG ROOTS, 
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ALL OF THAT. 
          AND I THINK THAT THERE IS, UM, IF THAT DAY COMES, I MEAN, THIS BALLOT INITIATIVE COULD BE, COULD BE THE, THE SIGNAL THAT SENDS US THAT WAY . 
          UM, BUT, UM, UNTIL THAT DAY COMES, UNTIL WE SEE, UM, THOSE, THOSE FACILITIES CLOSE, I DON'T REALLY WANT TO GIVE ANYONE THE REASON TO THINK THAT THEY CAN CHANGE THEIR USE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE, UM, I THINK THAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, CORE TO THE FABRIC OF PETALUMA AND, UM, AND CERTAINLY PART OF A LARGER SUPPLY CHAIN THAT'S SUPPORTING OUR AG COMMUNITY. 
          AND JUST AS MUCH AS WE NEED OUR DAIRIES TO CONTINUE TO EXIST, WE NEED OUR, OUR FEED MILLS TO EXIST. 
          SO, UM, I REALLY FEEL STRONGLY THAT WE SHOULD NOT BRING THAT TO THE PUBLIC. 
          UM, I THINK IT JUST SENDS A MESSAGE THAT WE DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR VISION IS. 
          MAYBE WE DON'T NEED HISTORIC AG. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT, AND I DON'T THINK I WANNA SEND THAT MESSAGE TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          'CAUSE I THINK IT'S REALLY CORE TO WHO PETALUMA IS AND, UM, CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO TAKE THAT THAT FORWARD. 
          I DO HAVE TO REMIND COUNSEL THERE'S ONE MORE SEGMENT TO THE EVENING. 
          OH, AND THEN ONE MORE, ONE MORE COMMENT. 
          UM, AND, AND THAT LAST SECTION IS WHEN THEY ASKED US DIRECTLY THESE KINDS OF QUESTIONS. 
          . 
          GOT YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, THE OTHER ONE IS, I THINK WE TALK ABOUT THE UGB EXPANSION AREA, AND I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT IT THAT WAY. 
          LIKE THAT'S OUTSIDE THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY. 
          AND IF THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING THAT IN, IT'S GONNA BE THROUGH A SPECIFIC PLAN PROCESS. 
          AND I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S EVEN NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT. 
          AND HONESTLY, I THINK THAT THAT AREA ACTUALLY FUNCTIONS WITHOUT EVEN GOING BEYOND THE, THE, THE URBAN GROWTH FOUNDRY. 
          IT KIND OF FUNCTIONS AS, UM, A 15 MINUTE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          WE'RE GONNA HAVE FOOD TRUCKS THAT ARE AT THE, UM, AT THE TRAIN STATION. 
          THERE'S LIKE A MECHANIC SHOP RIGHT THERE. 
          THERE'S, UM, YOU KNOW, MEDICAL FACILITIES THAT ARE RIGHT THERE. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT WE NEED TO BE LIKE DOING A BUNCH OF VISIONING THROUGH THIS PROCESS, UM, FOR OUTSIDE OF THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY, UH, VICE MAYOR SCHREVE. 
          AND, AND, AND I'M, I AM TRYING TO FOCUS THIS ON CONCISE QUESTIONS I'M LOSING, BUT . 
          ALRIGHT. 
          FIRST, JUST, JUST WHAT, UH, COUNCIL MINNE I WANNA SUPPORT YOU ON. 
          UH, THE, THE LAKEVILLE CORRIDOR DOWN THERE WHERE CASA GRANDE IS, UM, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF GROWTH IN THIS AREA. 
          UH, THERE'S APARTMENTS CON, THERE'S EVEN A LITTLE SUBWAY INSIDE THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES. 
          NOBODY KNOWS ABOUT, UM, POSSIBLE DEVELOPMENT GOING DOWN. 
          THERE'S A WHOLE NEW APARTMENT COMPLEX GOING IN NOW, AS WELL AS THAT, THE LITTLE SHOPPING CENTER AND WITH THREE, UM, UH, RESTAURANT BEFORE ACTUALLY TYPE FOOD PLACES, ACTUALLY FIVE FOOD PLACES THAT ARE EXTREMELY POPULAR IN TOWN. 
          YOU GO ANYWHERE, OH, I WANNA GO TO MOUNTAIN MIKES, I WANNA GO TO, UH, DOWN THERE. 
          AND, UM, AND ON CASA GRANDE ROAD, UM, WHERE THE GOLDS GYM IS, THAT'S BECOME A VERY POPULAR, ESPECIALLY WITH THE STUDENTS. 
          AND THEN WE ALSO ADDED IN, UM, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 30 YEARS, EVERYTHING THAT WAS, UH, ACROSS ELI AND SNOWMAN MOUNTAIN WAS ALL FIELD AG BACK WHEN I CAME IN 32 YEARS AGO, 33 NOW. 
          UM, AND SO WE'VE MOVED 10,000 PEOPLE BASICALLY INTO THAT AREA, UH, OF TOWN. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I THINK THE, UM, SHOPPING CENTER, UM, AND A CULTURAL CENTER AT CASA GRANDE, I TAUGHT THERE FOR A WHILE. 
          UM, THAT WOULD BE AN EXCELLENT USE FOR THERE. 
          AND ESPECIALLY WE, EVEN ON CASA GRANDE, WE HAVE MORE, UH, MORE HOUSING GOING IN RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM CASA GRANDE, SO THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WE HAVE IN THAT GROWTH AREA. 
          AND THEN YOU PUT IN THE, UM, THE BRIDGE AT CAULFIELD, UH, ACCESS ACROSS THE RIVER AND THAT WOULD BE A HUGE EXPANSION FOR THAT PARTICULAR, THESE AREAS. 
          SO, UM, SO FOR GROWTH AND FOR DEVELOPMENT, UM, I WOULD GO WITH PROBABLY, UH, EMPHASIZE THAT AREA. 
          UH, FOR A QUESTION. 
          UM, ONE OF THE AREAS THAT WAS NOT EVEN INCLUDED IN ANY OF THE DISCUSSION SO FAR IS YOU HAVE NORTH PETALUMA BOULEVARD PAST THE, THE, THE OLD LUCKY'S THERE. 
          AND WE HAVE THE, UM, WHAT USED TO BE THE RV AND MARINA, UM, REPAIR SHOPS THAT STILL OPEN GROUND AT THE MOMENT, BUT WE HAVE A BUSINESS MAYBE LOOKING AT THAT FOR HOUSING POSSIBILITIES. 
          UM, BUT GOING DOWN THAT ROAD FURTHER NORTH AND COMING UP THROUGH AND THEN HEADING ACROSS THE FREEWAY AND HEADING NORTH, THERE'S A WHOLE CORRIDOR THERE AND IT'S NOT EVEN SORT OF MENTIONED AS A POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AREA. 
          UM, SO SOME OF IT MAY BE COUNTY, SOME OF IT MAY BE CITY, BUT IT'S WITHIN OUR INFLUENCE ZONE. 
          AND THERE'S A WHOLE CORRIDOR THERE THAT'S PRETTY OLD AND RAGGED IN SOME SPOTS THAT COULD EASILY BE REDEVELOPED BUT ISN'T EVEN ON THE PLANT. 
          SO HAVE YOU REALLY LOOKED AT THAT? UM, COULD BE JUST ON THE WEST SIDE OF, OF THE STREET OF, OF PETA BOULEVARD, GETTING THAT WHOLLY DEVELOPED, HAVING, UM, UH, THE BIKEWAYS ON BOTH SIDES THAT ARE SAFE TO TRANSPORT DOWN. 
          WHY ISN'T THAT INCLUDED? THAT'S A QUESTION. 
          WHY WAS THAT NOT INCLUDED IN THE PLAN? I DON'T SEE IT, IT BEING EVEN TALKED ABOUT. 
          UH, WELL, I MEAN CERTAINLY THIS IS THE TIME WHERE WE CAN 
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ADJUST OUR MAP AND WE'RE OPEN TO YOUR COMMENTS. 
          UH, THE REASON WHY WE DIDN'T REALLY LOOK AT IT WAS JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE ENERGY STARTS THE ENERGY AND THE FOCUS AND THE VIBRANCY STARTS TO DISSIPATE. 
          THE FARTHER WE GET FROM THE CORE, YOU START TO EXPERIENCE A DIFFERENT CHARACTER OUT THERE. 
          LIKE YOU SAID, THERE'S A LOT OF COUNTRY LAND. 
          UM, SO OUR RATIONALE WAS MORE JUST THAT WE, YOU KNOW, FELT LIKE THERE WAS A STRONG CASE TO BE MADE FOR LUCKY'S INWARD. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'LL BE GREATER TRANSIT THERE, BETTER VMT THE CLOSER YOU ARE. 
          BUT, UM, I THINK IF, IF COUNCIL FEELS LIKE WE SHOULD EXTEND OUR, OUR OUR CORRIDOR, THEN WE CAN DO THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I THINK WITH THE CORONA, UH, STATION GOING IN, AND THEN IF WE CREATING A, UM, 15 MINUTE COMMUNITY OUT THERE, INCREASING THAT POPULATION NEAR THAT INTERSECTION, AND ESPECIALLY IF WE START DEVELOPING THE INDUSTRIAL AREAS, UM, UM, IN THAT, IN THAT ZONE UP THERE THAT YOU GET INTO, UH, HIGHER GROUND VERY QUICKLY, UH, ACROSS THE ROAD, UH, IT'S NEAR THE RIVER, PROBABLY NOT, BUT ACROSS THE ROAD, HUGE POTENTIAL FOR, UM, UM, FUTURE GROWTH, UH, THAT COULD BE MANAGED. 
          AND IT'S, AND IT'S, IT'S A, USED TO BE THE HIGH BEFORE 1 0 1, THAT WAS 1 0 1. 
          SO DO YOU MEAN THE AREA OF DIS UH, SORRY, JUST BY CORONA, WHERE CORONA CROSS IS 1 0 1. 
          SO WHERE CORONA CROSS IS, UM, UH, OVER 1 0 1, IT GETS TO PENA BOULEVARD, RIGHT? AND FROM THAT POINT FORWARD, WE HAVE THE CENTER BAR, UH, THEATER THERE AND THEN HEADING NORTH CONTINUOUSLY FROM THERE. 
          UM, THE WHOLE, THERE'S A LARGE SECTION THERE THAT'S STILL, UM, FAIRLY COUNTY, FAIRLY RURAL, BUT JUST, JUST JUST A SIMPLE LINE OF, OF CORRIDOR OF UM, EITHER INDUSTRY, SHOPPING CENTERS, BUSINESSES, HOUSING, JUST ON THE STREET ITSELF, JUST ONE PIPELINE THAT GOES RIGHT THERE, UM, DOWN THAT STREET AS WE DEVELOP THAT BOULEVARD AND MAKE IT A, A BEAUTIFICATION BOULEVARD, A PLACE TO GO BIKE RIDING AND THINGS. 
          SO THAT'S AN AREA I THINK THAT'S MISSING OFF THE PLAN RIGHT NOW. 
          GREAT. 
          I I THINK ONE CONCERN IN THAT AREA IS THE FLOODING. 
          SO THAT IS ONE ISSUE THAT WE WERE TRYING TO BALANCE. 
          SO ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD GETS FLOODED. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT THAT'S THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD, WHICH IS UPHILL. 
          GOT IT. 
          THANKS. 
          SO COUNCILMAN, I THINK JUST TO CLARIFY, 'CAUSE THERE'S A FEW MO MOVING PARTS THERE. 
          YOU MENTIONED THERE'S COUNTY LAND, BUT I THINK ULTIMATELY WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IS WITH THE CATALYST OF BRINGING THE SECOND STATION, WHAT'S, WHAT'S AN APPROPRIATE WAY TO GROW CONNECTING ESSENTIALLY? I MEAN, WHAT AMOUNTS TO ANOTHER CROSSTOWN CONNECTION? UM, AND SO WANTING, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING THERE'S SOME CHALLENGES THERE WITH FLOODING, SEA LEVEL RISE, UH, COUNTY, UM, PARCELS, BUT LOOKING, YOU MENTIONED CINE BAR, SO THAT'S WEST OF, ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BOULEVARD, RIGHT? SO JUST A LOT. 
          SO THIS IS THE ENTIRE WEST SIDE THERE. 
          UM, GOING ALL THE WAY FROM, UM, EVEN BELOW CORONA EVEN, YOU CAN EVEN START EVEN SOONER THAN THAT, WHERE, WHERE THE, UM, OUTLET MALL IS AND JUST GO RIGHT ACROSS THE ROAD. 
          AND IT'S A COMBINATION. 
          THERE'S CHURCHES, THERE'S SOME HOUSING, THERE'S SOME OLD, UM, RESTAURANTS, THERE'S THINGS, BUILDINGS THAT ARE FALLING UP. 
          THERE'S SOME REALLY OLD HOUSING THAT'S FALLING APART. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S A POTENTIAL AREA TO DO SOMETHING WORKING WITH THE COUNTY. 
          UM, A A SINGLE LINE OF UTILITIES RUNNING DOWN THE ROAD, UM, WOULD REALLY HELP THAT AREA OUT. 
          AND THEN THE CROSSOVER WOULD BE CORONA MADE IN THAT, IN AS MAJOR INTERSECTION FOR THE TRAIN STATION. 
          ANYWAY, THAT'S AN AREA THAT I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT. 
          AGAIN, THAT'S NOT ON THE MAP. 
          UM, THEN THE, UM, UH, OTHER THINGS WOULD BE, UM, UH, WHEN WE'RE COMBINING WHAT WAS MENTIONED ON THESE CORRIDORS FOR, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, THREE, I THINK THE STATEMENT EARLIER, IF I'M CORRECT, IT WAS THREE TO FOUR STORIES WAS NOT ECONOMIC, IT WAS NOT SAID FIVE AND SIX WAS NOT ECONOMIC. 
          AND I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR THAT UP, THAT THE REASON THE DEVELOPERS ARE GOING AVOIDING THE THREE AND FOUR AND FIVE, BUT REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEEK THE SIX STORIES 'CAUSE THAT BECOMES MORE ECONOMIC. 
          SO I JUST WANNA CLEAR THAT STATEMENT UP THAT YOU SAID EARLIER, IT'S NOT ECONOMIC, WHICH STORIES ARE NOT ECONOMIC RIGHT NOW. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          AND SO, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN PRETTY EASILY GET TOWN HOMES, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A RELATIVELY INEXPENSIVE CONSTRUCTION TYPE, AND THAT'S UP TO MAYBE THREE STORIES. 
          AND THERE ARE CERTAINLY EXAMPLES OF THREE STORY BUILDINGS GETTING CONSTRUCTED, UH, IN PETALUMA WHERE YOU START, WHERE THINGS START TO GET MORE CHALLENGING IS WHEN YOU START NEEDING TO SWITCH OVER TO STRUCTURED PARKING. 
          UH, AND BECAUSE THE COST TO BUILD STRUCTURED PARKING IS VERY HIGH. 
          AND SO THAT'S DEPENDING ON THE DENSITY OF THE PROJECT. 
          ONCE YOU'RE AT FOUR STORIES, THAT CAN STILL BE A RELATIVELY INEXPENSIVE PROJECT TO BUILD. 
          BUT OFTEN THAT ENDS UP BEING INCLUDING A STRUCTURED PARKING OF SOME KIND. 
          UM, WHERE IT BECOMES ESPECIALLY CHALLENGING IS ONCE YOU SWITCH TO A PODIUM PROJECT IN WHICH YOU'RE NOW BUILDING, UH, THE WOOD FRAME HOUSING, WHICH IS THE, THE LESS EXPENSIVE COMPONENT ABOVE ONE OR TWO LEVELS OF PARKING GARAGE OR MOST EXPENSIVE WOULD BE SUBTERRANEAN PARKING GARAGE. 
          AND SO 
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IT'S THE, PRIMARILY THE SIX TO EIGHT STORY RANGE IS WHEN IT STARTS TO BECOME ESPECIALLY CHALLENGING AND PETALUMA RIGHT NOW TO BE ABLE TO, TO BUILD THOSE PROJECTS. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST WANNA CLEAR UP WHAT STORIES ARE TALKING ABOUT MARKET RATE AND DEVELOPMENT RIGHT NOW? WHAT IS DIFFICULT AND WHAT IS IMPOSSIBLE? BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT THREE TO SIX STORIES IN ALL THESE AREAS AND UM, AS, AS I WAS MENTIONED BY, UM, EARLIER, UH, MIKE, WHY ARE WE PROPOSING THREE TO SIX STORIES WHEN, WHEN THAT'S MAYBE CHANGING IN CYCLES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT WE NEED TO GET ACCEPTANCE. 
          COUNCILMAN, IF I COULD JUST ADD TO YEAH, WHAT DEREK MENTIONED. 
          I MEAN, I THINK TROY POINTED THIS OUT TOO, THERE'S A LONGER PLANNING HORIZON, BUT I, I THINK THE TAKEAWAY FROM WHAT DEREK, UM, JUST ELABORATED ON IS, UH, YOU KNOW, AS WE START TO THINK ABOUT, UM, WHERE OUR FUTURE PETALUMA AND WHAT IT SHOULD LOOK LIKE, UM, DEREK'S TOUCHING ON THE COST OF BUILDING PARKING, RIGHT? AND SO I, I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO, UM, UNDERSTAND IS PART OF THE COST TO BUILD, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER STORY, UM, PART OF THAT EQUATION DOES INCLUDE PARKING. 
          SO AS WE'RE STARTING TO TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, 15 MINUTE NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, WHAT ARE THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS? UM, WHAT, WHAT IS THE NEED, UM, WITH RESPECT TO PARKING AS WE TRY TO INVEST IN OUR TRANSIT AND PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AND WALKING AND BIKING, UM, PERHAPS THAT NEED ISN'T AS GREAT. 
          AND SO IF YOU WERE TO ASK DEVELOPERS WHAT ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IS TO BUILD IT, IT COMES DOWN TO PARKING. 
          AND SO IF WE COULD REMOVE OR AT LEAST, UH, LESSEN THAT BARRIER, THAT CHANGES THE MARKET ECONOMICS OF, UM, GETTING SOMETHING SUCCESSFULLY DONE. 
          GOOD. 
          UH, THANK YOU. 
          SO THAT BRINGS ME TO THE NEXT STEP IS AS WE, A DEVELOPER WANTS TO GO IN AND, AND START DOING THIS, ESPECIALLY THE WASHINGTON CORRIDOR IS THE MAIN CONCERN, UM, AND REDEVELOPING THAT, IS THERE WAYS OF, 'CAUSE WHEN WE DO SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA START DOING THAT PROCESS FROM EAGLE SHOPPING CENTER ON OUT FOR SEVERAL BLOCKS IN THERE, IS THERE A WAY WE CAN MANAGE IT OR SUGGEST OR REGULATE IT, WHEREAS NOT ONLY DO WE BUILD THE, THE LARGER BUILDINGS THAT MAY BE NEEDED, THE LARGER STORIES FOR HOUSING, BUT CAN WE FIGURE OUT HOW TO BEAUTIFY THE STREET TRANSPORT AND PUT IN THE TREES AND THINGS THAT, 'CAUSE WE, WE GOT THE SEDAT, THEY, THEY SAID, WE WANNA MAKE WASHINGTON BOULEVARD BEAUTIFUL AND UM, EVENTUALLY A A REALLY NICE TRANSPORT SYSTEM DOWN THE MIDDLE SOMEHOW. 
          SO IF WE DO THAT, IS THAT GONNA BE REQUIRED OR PART OF THE PLAN? 'CAUSE IF WE JUST WANNA BUILD HOUSING RIGHT OFF THAT, THAT UH, WASHINGTON STREET INCREASING LOTS OF TRAFFIC, UM, THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM. 
          UNLESS WE HAVE A BIGGER, MORE HOLISTIC PLAN IN PLACE. 
          SO HOW CAN WE PROMOTE THIS IN OUR GENERAL PLAN? WE WANT THE HOUSING, WE WANT THE DENSITIES, BUT HOW CAN WE FORCE OR ENTICE AND SAY, YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY DO THIS TROLLEY DOWN THE CENTER, WE'RE GONNA PUT IN TREES, WE'RE GONNA DO ALL THE STREET REPAIRS AND EVERYTHING AT ROUNDABOUTS, WHATEVER IT IS. 
          CAN WE DO THAT? THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION AND IT'S ACTUALLY PART OF THE NEXT PART OF THE PRESENTATION. 
          OKAY. 
          GOOD . 
          ALRIGHT, UH, THEN I'LL, UM, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT COUNCILWOMAN CATER THOMPSON. 
          I THINK I'LL KEEP THIS SIMPLE. 
          UM, IS, WHY IS PLAZA NORTH NOT PART OF THIS? SO AS YOU SEE ON THE MAP, YOU KIND OF, WE KIND OF HAVE A CIRCLE AROUND BOTH PLAZA NORTH AND WASHINGTON SQUARE. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          BUT IN OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH DAVID GREEN'S FILTER, HE ALERTED US TO THE FACT THAT PLAZA NORTH HAS A LOT OF LEASES, LONGSTANDING LEASES THAT HE FEELS WILL BE A CHALLENGE TO, TO WORK AROUND. 
          SO HE FELT, UH, MORE OPTIMISTIC ABOUT THE CHANGE, UH, THE POTENTIAL FOR TRANSFORMATION AT WASHINGTON SQUARE, GIVEN THE RETAIL, UM, REALITIES AND THE WAY THAT THE PARCELS, UM, THE, THE PROPERTIES OWN THEIR PARKING. 
          SO THAT WILL MAKE IT A CHALLENGE TO, TO, TO BUILD, UH, A, A NEW SORT OF STRUCTURE THERE. 
          SO HE'S JUST POINTED US TOWARDS WASHINGTON SQUARE. 
          WELL, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT KMART IS AN EMPTY BUILDING AND SO THAT'S, LONG-TERM LEASE DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE. 
          AND SO THERE'S QUITE A LARGE CENTER THERE THAT OPPORTUNITIES, UM, COULD HAPPEN. 
          IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO LYNCH CREEK TRAIL ACROSS FROM A BIG PARK AND, AND COMMUNITY CENTER. 
          AND SO I THINK IT, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT ADDED ON. 
          I MEAN, IF IT WAS A BUILDING THAT, IF IT WAS A BUSINESS THAT HAD ANOTHER 50 YEAR LEASE, I WOULD RECONSIDER. 
          BUT IT'S JUST NOT THE CASE. 
          AND IT'S LOOKS FAIRLY BLIGHTED. 
          WE'LL TAKE, WE, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT. 
          WE DO HAVE IN THE NEXT PART OF THE DISCUSSION, PLAZA NORTH IS SORT OF PART OF, PART OF THAT AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          AND HAVE WE LOOKED AT LIKE THE ECONOMICS, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE RIVER, THE RIVER 
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LIKE WHAT'S IT CALLED? GOLDEN LEGAL, UM, FOR THE RIVER, UM, I ALWAYS FORGET THE NAME. 
          RIVER GREEN. 
          GREEN RIVER, THE TRAIL NORTH, NORTH RIVER, THE, THE NORTH RIVER TRAIL. 
          ARE WE LOOKING AT THE ECONOMICS OF, UM, OF THOSE TYPES OF ACTIVITIES, YOU KNOW, HIKING IN THOSE AREAS FOR WHEN PEOPLE, TOURISTS COME TO TOWN, HAVING ALL OF THESE OPEN SPACE LANDS AVAILABLE? ARE WE LOOKING AT THE ECONOMIC VALUE OF THAT? I'LL LET DEREK ANSWER MORE THOROUGHLY, BUT I BELIEVE AS, AS HE MENTIONED EARLIER, THAT THERE'S, UM, RESEARCH THAT SUPPORTS, UM, UH, NO, IT'S, SORRY, IT'S AFTER MY BEDTIME , UM, MY BRAIN STOPPED WORKING. 
          UH, THERE'S, TO ANSWER TO COUNCIL MEMBER'S QUESTION, THERE WAS RESEARCH TO SUPPORT THE EVIDENCE THAT HE WAS SUGGESTING. 
          I I, I'VE SEEN RESEARCH THAT SUPPORTS THAT YES, THERE ARE DEFINITE ECONOMIC BENEFITS TO, UM, RECREATIONAL, UM, FACILITIES, TRAILS PATHS, NOT JUST BECAUSE IT ATTRACTS VISITORS, BUT EVEN REVENUE GENERATED BY RESIDENTS USE. 
          SO, AND THAT KIND OF BRINGS ME TO THE FACTORY OUTLET. 
          UM, OTHER USES THERE, WHICH COULD BE, UM, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL, YOU KNOW, HUB COULD BE IN THAT AREA. 
          UM, THERE COULD JUST BE A LOT OF DIFFERENT USES. 
          AND HAVE WE LOOKED AT, UM, WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE SO IT'S MORE NATURE BOUND. 
          'CAUSE WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE FACTOR OUTLET. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, VACANT BUILDINGS OR YEAH, WE'LL TOUCH ON THE, IN THE NEXT PART. 
          IN THE NEXT ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          SORRY TO, BUT YES, WE, WE, WE WANNA ASK THAT QUESTION TO THE PUBLIC. 
          WE THINK THAT'S AN AREA OF INTEREST FOR THE PUBLIC. 
          SO WE, WE TOTALLY AGREE. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          AND THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I JUST, I I WANT TO SUPPORT COUNCIL MEMBER NOW I WANNA CALL ON COUNCIL MEMBER NOW, . 
          WELL THIS IS, UM, MORE OF, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THAT THE, UH, FACTORY OUTLETS HAS CHANGED. 
          IT'S NOW REALLY FAMILY ORIENTED. 
          THEY'RE BEING A, A GRANDMOTHER OF SEVEN. 
          I GO TO LOTS OF BIRTHDAY PARTIES AND THEY'RE BEING HELD AT THESE LIKE GYMBOREE, THEY'RE RENTING OUT THE RETAIL SPACE FOR THESE GYMNASTIC BIRTHDAY PARTY ACTIVITIES AND FOR ALL AGES AND THERE'S TWO OR THREE OF 'EM. 
          THEY HAVE DIFFERENT NAMES IN THEIR, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE FRANCHISES. 
          AND THEN OUR CINEMA THEATER IS EXPANDING RIGHT NOW. 
          THERE IS DRAMA CLASSES BEING HELD. 
          SO WHEN YOU DROP THE CHILD OFF TO DRAMA CLASS, WHICH IS GONNA BE LIKE AN HOUR AND A HALF, I GO DO A SHOPPING OR THERE'S A WONDERFUL NATURE TRAIL THAT YOU CAN WALK AROUND ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE PARKING LOT. 
          AND IT'S A WAY TO SEE PART OF, YOU KNOW, THAT PART OF PETALUMA THAT YOU WOULDN'T NORMALLY, NORMALLY SEE UNLESS YOU WERE DRIVING DOWN THE 1 0 1. 
          BUT ANYWAY, THE FACTORY IS FILLING UP AGAIN, IS JUST CHANGING USES, WHICH IS VERY CREATIVE. 
          'CAUSE NOW CINEMA BAR THEATER IS MOVING INTO ONE OF THE BIGGER SPACES AND GONNA PUT ON PRODUCTIONS. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW HOW BIG IT'S GONNA BE, BUT IT'S GONNA DRAW A LOT OF PEOPLE. 
          AND RIGHT NOW WE HAVE STILL BUSLOADS OF PEOPLE GETTING DROPPED OFF AND A LOT OF OUR FAMILIES THAT ARE STRUGGLING TO, YOU KNOW, PUT SHOES ON THEIR KIDS' FEET, THEY STILL GO TO THE FACTORY OUTLETS TO PAY FOR THOSE SHOES BECAUSE THEY'RE INEXPENSIVE NIKES AND, AND KIDS AND, OKAY. 
          ANYWAY, MY RETAIL KNOWLEDGE, THERE YOU GO. 
          COMES IN HANDY. 
          WELL, I HOPE YOU'RE ON CINE BAR'S. 
          UM, CAPITAL CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE, , BECAUSE I MEAN, THEY'RE IN, THEY'RE IN NEED OF ANOTHER MILLION OR TWO BUCKS. 
          UM, THERE WERE OTHER, I I DID WANT TO SUPPORT THE IDEA OF, UH, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, SOUTHERN GATEWAY, UM, IMPROVEMENTS THAT THE, THE MARINA IS NOT REALLY CLOSE ENOUGH FOR 15 MINUTES TO, TO THE REST OF THE ACTIVITIES, ESPECIALLY THE NEW APARTMENTS THAT ARE COMING ON THERE. 
          UM, I WAS VERY DISAPPOINTED WHEN THE BAKERY WENT OUTTA BUSINESS IN THERE. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I LIVE. 
          BUT, UM, BUT I'M HAPPY THE BELFOR OPENED UP ACROSS THE STREET. 
          SO, UM, ACROSS LAKEVILLE. 
          UM, AND THEN I ALSO COMMENT, I I LOOK AT THIS GENERAL PLAN AS, UM, UM, HOW ARE WE GONNA GET HOUSING FOR OUR PEOPLE AND HOW ARE WE GONNA HAVE A VIBRANT COMMUNITY FOR IT? AND I THINK WE'VE IDENTIFIED A LOT OF HOUSING OPPORTUNITY. 
          AND, AND SO FOR ME, ANYTHING ON NORTH BOULEVARD IS SORT OF A THIRD RAIL THAT I WOULDN'T GO ANYWHERE NEAR. 
          AND, UM, AND EVEN THE 3000 NUMBER THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE, UM, I DIDN'T HEAR IT CONNECTING TO OUR A DU OPTIMISM. 
          HOW DOES, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH A DU CAN WE GET IN THE CITY AND HOW MUCH WILL THAT REDUCE THE 3000 NUMBER? BECAUSE WE DIDN'T COUNT IN 
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A DU AT ALL, DID WE? SO NO, WE DIDN'T INCLUDE THAT IN THE 3000. 
          UM, WE GENERALLY THINK ABOUT THAT IN A DIFFERENT WAY. 
          'CAUSE THOSE TEND TO HAPPEN ORGANICALLY. 
          WE DON'T NEED TO MAKE LAND USE CHANGES TO MAKE THOSE HAPPEN. 
          SO WE SEE THAT AS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE STRATEGY. 
          BUT WE WERE JUST FOC AND, AND WHEN WE GET INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS DISCUSSION, THE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE WERE SORT OF JUST, UM, BIFURCATING THE DISCUSSION OF WHERE WE NEED TO ACTUALLY CHANGE OUR POLICIES AND WHERE THERE ARE AREAS WHERE WE CAN CONTINUE TO REINFORCE STRATEGIES LIKE THE ADUS. 
          BUT, UM, WE DO THINK THEY WOULD CONTRIBUTE TO, YOU KNOW, UNIT GROWTH. 
          YOU, YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T SEE THOUSANDS OF ADUS. 
          YOU MIGHT SEE A A, YOU KNOW, A FEW DOZEN PER YEAR OVER TIME, SO IT ADDS UP. 
          BUT YOU, YOU WOULDN'T NECESSARILY SEE BIG, BIG NUMBERS FROM THAT. 
          AND THE THREE, THERE'S UM, THERE'S A PARCEL ON CORONA IN, IN, NOT IN CITY LIMITS, BUT IN, UH, UGB, UM, UP NEAR CORONA CREEK SCHOOL-ISH AREA. 
          AND DID WE ANALYZE AND REJECT THAT AS A 15 MINUTE OPPORTUNITY SITE? YOU MEAN THE, UM, CURRENTLY DESIGNATED FOR RESIDENTIAL, THERE'S MAYBE THREE, THREE PARCELS, QUITE A BIT OF ACREAGE. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, WELL WE WOULD DEFINITELY WANNA LOOK AT, UM, FLOODING THERE. 
          THE LAST TIME THAT CAME IN FOR, UM, A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, THERE WAS A CONSIDERABLE FLOODING IMPACT IN THAT AREA. 
          I CAN'T TELL YOU OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WITH OUR UPDATED MODELING. 
          UM, OKAY, THANKS. 
          UM, SO THE SMART PROPERTY DOWNTOWN T SIX, IS THAT RIGHT? HOW MANY STORIES CAN WE PUT ON THAT? CURRENTLY T SIX ALLOWS UP TO SIX STORIES. 
          OKAY. 
          I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT IN THE CONTEXT OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR ALL THE OTHER, I ALSO WANNA JUST ADD WITH DENSITY BONUS, YOU CAN GET HIGHER, MORE, MORE HEIGHT BUILDING HEIGHT, UM, AS A, AS A POTENTIAL. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S, UH, GREAT. 
          UM, AND, AND WE TALKED ABOUT ATTRACTING, UM, OFFICE SPACE ONTO THE SMART PROPERTIES, UM, BOTH FROM, I THINK WE MENTIONED THAT IN TWO PLACES, TWO DIFFERENT PARCELS. 
          UM, UM, ARE WE PUSHING THESE AS HOUSING SITES? ARE WE PUSHING THESE AS MIXED USE SITES OR, OR WHAT IS THE REPORT CALL FOR ON THAT? WHAT ARE WE SEEING SO FAR? I I THINK YOU'RE GETTING TO THE HEART OF THE LAND USE ALTERNATIVES. 
          OKAY. 
          WHICH IS, WHAT DO WE WANNA SEE AT THE CENTRAL SMART STATION AND WHAT DO WE WANNA SEE AT THE CORONA SPORTS STATION? UM, SO WE CAN GET INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT IN THE NEXT PART. 
          UM, BUT I THINK YOU ARTICULATED THE KEY CHOICES. 
          UM, AND IN REGARDS TO THE CORONA STATIONARY, I THINK WE SEE IT AS A, SOME OF BOTH. 
          AND I THINK WE SEE HOUSING, BUT ALSO OFFICE AND JOBS AS A, AS A POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITY THERE. 
          BUT IT'S A QUESTION WE WOULD PUT TO THE COMMUNITY TO SEE WHAT THEY THOUGHT. 
          FOR ME, IT SAYS ENCOURAGE OR SUPPORT OR SOMETHING LIKE THIS. 
          AND I WONDER WHAT TOOLS LINK THAT, THAT SUPPORT. 
          SURE. 
          WELL, WE CAN USE OUR ZONING AND OUR GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATIONS TO LIMIT OR CONSTRAIN WHAT'S ALLOWED. 
          UM, OR WE CAN, UH, ADD THROUGH THOSE IF, IF INDEED THE BALLOT MEASURE IS PASSED AND WE MOVE FORWARD WITH A SPECIFIC PLAN, THE SPECIFIC PLAN WOULD, WOULD ARTICULATE THE LAND USE POLICIES AND REQUIREMENTS MORE CLEARLY FOR THE CORONA STATION AREA. 
          SO WE COULD SAY, YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, YOU MUST HAVE CERTAIN AMOUNT OF RETAIL SQUARE FOOTAGE, OR YOU MUST HAVE A MINIMUM DENSITY OF DEVELOPMENT. 
          THERE ARE TOOLS AND POLICIES WE COULD USE IF WE WANT TO PUSH THE LAND USES IN A CERTAIN DIRECTION. 
          RIGHT NOW, I THINK WE'RE AT A PHASE WHERE WE'RE ASKING THIS COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY WHAT IS THEIR FOCUS, AND THEN WE CAN DESIGN THE POLICIES TO GET US THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IT MIGHT, I, I MIGHT SUGGEST THAT WE MOVE TO THE MORE IN DEPTH DISCUSSION ABOUT SOME OF THE AREAS OF CHANGE. 
          IT MIGHT ANSWER SOME OF COUNCIL'S QUESTIONS ON SOME OF THE MORE SPECIFICS. 
          IF WE'RE READY TO, WE'RE READY TO DO THAT. 
          ARE WE READY TO DO THAT? WE'RE GOOD. 
          OKAY, LET'S DO THAT. 
          JUST GIVE US A MOMENT. 
          WE'LL BRING UP THE PRESENTATION. 
          ACTUALLY, DO YOU WANT ME TO HAND OUT THE, UH, THIS MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A, UM, FIVE MINUTE BREAK HERE. 
          SO LET'S, UM, CALL A PAUSE ON IT FOR ONE SECOND AND COME RIGHT BACK AND CAN WE POST UP A FIVE MINUTE CLOCK ON OUR CALENDAR? THANK YOU. 
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SO FOR THIS SECTION, WE HAVE TROY HELPING US THROUGH IT. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I'M GONNA POWER THROUGH OUR AREAS HERE AND THEN, UM, WE CAN SEE IF WE WANT TO TAKE A BREAK OR WE CAN GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH AND GO THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD STUFF AS WELL. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'LL GO WITH. 
          OKAY, LET'S GO. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AREA ONE, UPSTREAM AND DOWNSTREAM RIVER ADJACENT AREAS. 
          UM, SO YOU CAN SEE ON THE MAP HERE, THE LARGER IMAGE SHOWS THE PARCELS WE HAVE BEEN EXPLORING POTENTIAL CHANGES ON, UM, SO YOU KIND OF SEE STARTING FROM THE, THE JOHNSON PARCEL DOWN IN THE EAST UP TO THE LIVESTOCK AUCTION YARD, UM, ON THE WEST. 
          AND THEN THE DOWNSTREAM AREA IS THIS AREA WE'VE SELECTED, UM, JUST ADJACENT, SORT OF SLIGHTLY NORTH OF THE MARINA BETWEEN THE MARINA AND, UH, LAKEVILLE HIGHWAY. 
          SO, UM, NEAR THE POTENTIAL ADDITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED, BUT, UM, MORE TO THE SOUTH. 
          UH, SO, SO WHY ARE WE CONSIDERING THIS AREA AND WHAT ARE SOME OF THE THINGS WE KNOW ABOUT THIS AREA? UM, IT IS A KEY AREA THAT CURRENTLY PROVIDES, UH, FLOOD RETENTION CAPACITY AND A LOT OF ECOLOGICAL FUNCTION. 
          SO THOSE THINGS WILL BE PROTECTED AS PART OF ANY SORT OF FUTURE POLICY OR LAND USE SCHEME THAT WE PURSUE. 
          UM, WE, WE BELIEVE THAT PUBLIC ACCESS TO AND FROM THE RIVER SHOULD BE ENHANCED AS PART OF OUR STRATEGY IN THIS AREA. 
          AND AS I NOTED EARLIER, THE KIND OF THE, THE NO NET LOSS STATE LAW MEANS THAT ANY RESIDENTIALLY ZONED OR DESIGNATED PARCEL THAT WE CHANGE OR REDUCE IN ALLOWED INTENSITY, WE MUST FIND, UH, SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY TO HAVE AN IN CORRESPONDING INCREASE IN ALLOWED RESIDENTIAL DENSITY. 
          SO THE, THE QUESTION THAT WE PLAN TO TAKE TO THE PUBLIC FOR THIS AREA IS VERY SIMPLE, IS WHAT SHOULD BE THE ALLOWED LAND USES IN THESE PARCELS? AND THE OPTION WOULD SORT OF BE SORT OF WHAT WE SEE HERE, OR SHOULD WE BASICALLY RESTRICT IT TO ONLY A PARKS AND OPEN SPACE USES, UH, A CORRESPONDING QUESTION WHICH SORT OF SUPPORTS THE LAND USE STRATEGY, BUT, BUT IT GOES A BIT FARTHER, IS, UM, REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE DO WITH LAND USE, SHOULD WE ALSO PUT IN PLACE A POLICY THAT IT, THAT, THAT PUSHES US TOWARDS GREATER RESILIENCE AND ADAPTIVE CAPACITY ALONG THE RIVER, WHICH IS, UM, SETTING BUFFER SPACES OR SETBACKS BETWEEN BUILDINGS IN THE RIVER AND THEN GOING FURTHER TO PROHIBIT, YOU KNOW, FUTURE DEVELOPMENT WHERE WE SEE DEEP FLOODING, UM, FROM OUR LATEST MODELS, OUR SEA OF HORIZON FLOODING MODELS. 
          GOODNIGHT. 
          I, UM, ASK YOU FOR A PAUSE FOR A SECOND. 
          UM, SO, UH, YOU PROVIDED COUNSEL DURING THE BREAK, UH, UH, A HANDOUT, WHICH I BELIEVE IS WHAT YOU'RE FOLLOWING ON THE SIDE, CORRECT? AND IS THIS WHAT YOU INTEND TO COME BACK TO FOR DECISION MAKING? IS THIS KIND OF OUR SCORECARD HERE? THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS. 
          EXCELLENT QUESTION. 
          SO, UM, ON THIS, SO, SO THE SIMPLE ANSWER IS NO, WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR RESPONSES FROM THE COUNCIL TO THESE QUESTIONS TONIGHT. 
          THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS WE PLAN ON TAKING TO THE PUBLIC. 
          WE SHARE THEM WITH YOU JUST SO YOU KNOW, LIKE, HERE'S THE TRACK WE'RE ON, WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE AREAS, WE WANNA INVITE PUBLIC INPUT ON LAND USE CHANGE IN THESE AREAS. 
          AND THESE ARE THE, SOME OF THE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, THE QUESTIONS IN RED ON EACH OF THESE SLIDES ARE LAND USE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. 
          THE QUESTIONS IN BLACK, LIKE THE ONE ON THE NEXT SLIDE ARE MORE POLICY QUESTIONS, WHICH, WHICH YOU'LL SEE IN THE DRAFT LAND USE POLICY FRAMEWORK. 
          UM, AND, AND THAT'S ONE THING TROY WILL COME BACK TO OVER AND OVER AGAIN, IS YOU NEED TO COMPLIMENT ANY CHANGE IN LAND USE TO, TO ACHIEVE YOUR GOAL OR OUT THE DESIRED OUTCOME. 
          YOU NEED TO COMPLIMENT YOUR CHANGE IN LAND USE WITH VERY OFTEN, UM, LAND USE POLICY THAT ACTUALLY GETS YOU THE CHANGE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. 
          SO I THINK, AGAIN, THE SIMPLE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS NO, WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO, FOR RESPONSES TO THESE QUESTIONS TONIGHT. 
          SO TEE, TEASE THIS UP OR PRESS EDGE. 
          THE, THE CONCLUSION OF THIS CONVERSATION ENDS WITH US EDIFIED OR US PROVIDING SOME FEEDBACK WITH THE TWO QUESTIONS. 
          ONE OF WHICH IS, DO YOU SUPPORT OUR OVERALL PROPOSAL TO DEINTENSIFY AND INTENSIFY? AND THEN SECONDLY, ARE THESE THE RIGHT AREAS? AND I GUESS YOU COULD ALSO SAY, ARE THESE THE RIGHT QUESTIONS TO ASK PEOPLE? WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR YOUR ANSWERS, BUT ARE THESE THE RIGHT THINGS FOR US TO GO OUT AND ASK MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC? AND, AND BROAD MORE BROADLY. 
          THANKS FOR THAT CLARIFICATION ON THIS, ON THE SCREEN ARE THE QUESTIONS WE'D LIKE YOUR RESPONSES TO TONIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT, WE'LL KEEP WE'LL KEEP MOVING RIGHT THERE. 
          YEAH, SORRY. 
          OKAY, SO MOVING TO THE OH 
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OH ONE BACK. 
          ALRIGHT, GREAT. 
          AND AS I GO ALONG, UM, I'LL LET DEREK JUMP IN AND HE'LL WEIGH IN ON SOME OF THE MORE SITE SPECIFIC, OR I GUESS I SHOULD SAY THE, THE, THE SIMILAR CHARACTER TYPE, UM, CONSIDERATIONS FROM A FISCAL STANDPOINT. 
          SO AS WE LOOK AT CERTAIN TYPES OF CHANGES OR REDEVELOPMENTS, DEREK WILL WEIGH IN, UM, AND SAY KIND OF FROM A FISCAL OR MARKET STANDPOINT WHAT WE THINK, UM, SOME OF THE MORE SPECIFIC CONSIDERATIONS ARE. 
          UM, SO LOOKING DOWNSTREAM, UH, AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE ALONG LAKEVILLE, UH, JUST NORTH OF THE MARINA. 
          UM, YOU HAVE A DOG PARK. 
          UM, SO THIS AREA IS, YOU KNOW, BASED ON OUR MOST RECENT MODELING, HEAVILY IMPACTED, UM, BY, BY SEA LEVEL RISE. 
          AND ALSO, UM, KING TIDES, WHICH ARE THE, THE, THE ANNUAL HIGHEST TIDES. 
          UM, SO AGAIN, WITH WITH, IF THERE'S NO ADAPTATION, WHICH, WHICH MAY OCCUR IN THE FUTURE, BUT THIS IS AN AREA WHICH WE SEE SOME, SOME SERIOUS IMPACT. 
          UM, THIS IS AN AREA THAT, UH, IT, IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED FOR MIXED USE. 
          SO OBVIOUSLY THAT THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR POTENTIAL FUTURE HOUSING. 
          ON THE FLIP SIDE, KEEPING IT FOR EMPLOYMENT WOULD HELP WITH SOME OF THE, UM, IN AN INFLOW AND OUTFLOW OF JOBS AND COMMUTERS. 
          UM, AND SIMILARLY, JUST A REMINDER THAT NO NET LOSS WOULD APPLY HERE. 
          UM, SO DEREK, SURE. 
          JUST A FEW OBSERVATIONS FROM THE MARKET PERSPECTIVE HERE. 
          THIS IS ONE OF THOSE PLACES THAT'S A STRONG PROMISING EMPLOYMENT LOCATION, UM, INCLUDING USES LIKE MIXED FLEX RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT, MANUFACTURING OR DISTRIBUTION, SOME OF THOSE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES. 
          HOWEVER, THERE ARE NOT A LOT OF GREENFIELD DEVELOPMENT SITES. 
          THERE ARE THE SITE SPECIFIC CONSTRAINTS THAT TROY HAS HAS DESCRIBED. 
          SO IN TERMS OF POTENTIAL STRATEGY RESPONSES, IF THE GOAL DOES BECOME TO TRY TO ATTRACT EMPLOYMENT USES TO THIS AREA, UM, THERE'S A NEED TO ENSURE THE ZONING SUPPORTS THOSE DIVERSE EMPLOYMENT USES. 
          UH, THERE'S A NEED TO MAINTAIN EXCELLENT CONNE CONNECTIONS TO LAKEVILLE HIGHWAY AND HIGHWAY 1 0 1, AND ALSO TO ADDRESS THE FLOODING RISK BY ENSURING AWARENESS AMONG DEVELOPERS AND PROPERTY OWNERS OF THAT RISK AND REDUCING ALLOWABLE DEVELOPMENT IN ANY MAJOR FLOOD ZONES. 
          THANKS, DEREK. 
          SO THE QUESTION WE HAVE FOR THE PUBLIC IS, SHOULD THE ALLOWED LAND USES IN THE LAKEVILLE AREA, WHICH IS CURRENTLY DESIGNATED TO ALLOW MIXED USE, WHICH WOULD ALLOW RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, SHOULD THAT BE REALIGNED TO NOT ALLOW RESIDENTIAL USE OR DEINTENSIFY TO ALLOW A LESS INTENSE MIXED USE. 
          SO MOVING TO OUR CORE, WE HAVE THE DOWNTOWN AREA ON THE LEFT, WE HAVE THE CENTRAL SMART STATION. 
          IN THE CENTER THERE, WE HAVE THE HISTORIC AGRICULTURAL SERVICES DISTRICT IN THE HATCH, WHICH I'LL WE'LL WALK THROUGH, WHICH I THINK WE'LL HAVE SOME, UM, SOME THOUGHTS ON. 
          AND THEN ON THE RIGHT WE HAVE THE RIVER PARK, UM, ALSO THE KNOWN AS THE FORMER SCANNELL SITE. 
          SO LOOKING AT DOWNTOWN, I THINK, AGAIN, WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT DOWNTOWN, A LOT OF GOOD REASONS, UM, TO FOCUS ON DOWNTOWN. 
          WE HAVE, UM, A GREAT DEAL OF HISTORIC CHARACTER HISTORIC LANDMARKS THAT WE HAVE A STRONG INTEREST IN PRESERVING, UM, A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT KEEPING DOWNTOWN ACTIVE VIBRANT GROUND FLOORS THAT YOU WANT TO VISIT. 
          UM, THE INTENSIFICATION OF DOWNTOWN COULD SUPPORT MORE USE OF SMART, COULD LOWER VMT. 
          UM, WE ASSUME THAT ANY DEVELOPMENTS IN THIS AREA WILL BE KIND OF BUTTRESSED AND SAFEGUARDED BY DISTRICT SCALE IMPROVEMENTS. 
          AND THEN THESE, UM, STANDARDS FOR BUILDINGS THAT ARE IN PLACE SPECIFICALLY TO PREVENT AGAINST, UM, SEA LEVEL RISE OR OTHER FLOODING IMPACTS. 
          SO THE PUBLIC LAND USE QUESTION IS FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD HERE. 
          UM, THE AREAS HERE CIRCLED LARGELY TRACK WITH THE, UM, DOWNTOWN OVERLAY DISCUSSION. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE ALIGNED WITH THAT AND ASKING SORT OF A SIMILAR SET OF QUESTIONS HERE IS, UM, CURRENTLY FOUR STORIES. 
          IS THE ZONING THIS MIXED USE HISTORIC MISUSE? SO THE QUESTION IS, WHERE, IF AT ALL, IS IT APPROPRIATE TO ALLOW BUILDINGS THAT ARE TALLER THAN FOUR STORIES? UM, AND KIND OF AS A COMPLIMENTARY QUESTION, WHICH, UH, GETS TO REALLY, UM, HOW DO WE SUPPORT DOWNTOWN, HOW DO WE MAKE NOW DOWNTOWN, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE TO THRIVE? IS, SHOULD WE CONSIDER ALLOWING OTHER LAND USES THAT, THAT CREATE ACTIVITY SUCH AS MAKERSPACE COWORKING SPACES, LIVE WORKSPACES, UM, THAT, THAT TRY TO REALLY ENHANCE AND ENLIVEN THE DOWNTOWN? SO AGAIN, IT'S, THERE'S A LAND USE QUESTION AND AN INTENSITY QUESTION, BUT THEN THERE'S A SEPARATE QUESTION OF KIND OF, UH, SUPPORTING POLICIES. 
          MOVING TO THE CENTRAL SMART STATION, AGAIN, THE RATIONALE FOR LOOKING AT THE SPACE IS SIMILAR. 
          UM, WE WOULD ENCOURAGE THE USE OF THE TRANSIT. 
          WE WOULD BE IN FILLING DEVELOPMENT, WHICH HAS LOWER VMT, AND WE'D BE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF SOME OF OUR EXISTING ASSETS AND AMENITIES THAT WOULD SUPPORT DOWNTOWN. 
          SIMILARLY, WE WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT DISTRICT SCALE ADAPTATION AND RESILIENCE IMPROVEMENTS. 
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THIS ALSO WOULD, YOU KNOW, SUPPORT, UH, COMPLETION OF THE RIVER TRAIL. 
          SO HERE YOU SEE THE, UH, T SIX AND T FIVE ZONING. 
          THE T SIX ZONING IS IN THE DARKEST PURPLE T FIVE AND THE LIGHTER PURPLE. 
          UM, SO THE QUESTION AGAIN IS, IS IT APPROPRIATE TO ALLOW BUILDINGS TO BE HIGHER THAN THE CURRENT REGULATIONS ALLOW? AND SO BY HOW MUCH, UH, ON THE FLIP SIDE, WE COULD, THE CITY COULD CONSIDER REQUIRING OR MANDATING A MINIMUM HEIGHT OR A MINIMUM DENSITY IF THE INTEREST IS IN REALLY SORT OF FORCING OR WAITING FOR A MARKET CYCLE THAT SUPPORTS A HIGHER DENSITY PRODUCT OR A HIGHER INTENSITY CENTER THERE. 
          UM, AND THEN AS WE DISCUSS SORT OF THE MATCHING POLICY DISCUSSION IS HOW COULD WE MAKE THIS HAPPEN? ONE WAY MIGHT BE TO, UM, REDUCE OR ELIMINATE ANY REQUIREMENTS THAT DE-INCENTIVIZE THEIR DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS CURRENTLY, UM, REQUIRING STOREFRONTS OR RETAIL CAN BE A DISINCENTIVE FOR DEVELOPMENT. 
          UH, DEREK, SO I'M KIND OF APPROACHING THE MARKET CONSIDERATIONS FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE BROADER CORE TOD AREA AND, UH, AND HOW YOU USE THAT TO ALSO SUPPORT THE CENTRAL SMART STATION AREA. 
          YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN AREA WHERE THE MARKET AND JUST LOGICALLY, UH, THERE'S A STRONG DEMAND FOR HIGHER INTENSITY HOUSING, HOTELS, DE AND ENTERTAINMENT. 
          I'VE MENTIONED BEFORE ABOUT THE POSSIBILITIES OF OFFICE NEAR SMART. 
          BUT ONE OF THE BROADER OPPORTUNITIES HERE IS TO BETTER INTEGRATE THE SUB-DISTRICTS WITHIN THE CORE TOD AREA. 
          SO THE DOWNTOWN, THE WAREHOUSE DISTRICT, THE, AND THE CENTRAL SMART STATION AREA, AND ALSO TRANSFORMING RIVER PLAZA SHOPPING CENTER INTO A HOUSING, RETAIL AND GATHERING SPACE. 
          NOW, SOME CHALLENGES WITH THOSE IDEAS ARE, UM, HIGHER INTENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND OFFICE DEVELOPMENT, UH, ARE INFEASIBLE TODAY, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY WON'T BE FEASIBLE, YOU KNOW, 15 YEARS FROM NOW. 
          UM, ALSO THERE MIGHT BE POTENTIAL LEASE RELATED BARRIERS TO REDEVELOPING RIVER PLAZA. 
          THIS IS TRUE OF ALL THE SHOPPING CENTERS IN WHICH SOMETIMES SOME OF THE TENANTS MIGHT HAVE, UH, CONDITIONS, COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE IN PLACE THAT ALLOW THEM TO BLOCK, UH, CHANGES TO THE SHOPPING CENTER. 
          AND ALSO SOME OF THOSE LONG-TERM LEASES AND OPTIONS TO RENEW THAT WERE MENTIONED EARLIER TONIGHT COULD ALSO BE A RESTRICTION FOR RIVER PLAZA AND OTHER SHOPPING CENTERS. 
          UH, ONE OTHER CONSIDERATION IS AVOIDING OVERSATURATION OF RETAIL STOREFRONT SPACES. 
          SO IN TERMS OF STRATEGY CONCEPTS, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT TO SEE A VARIETY OF OPPORTUNITIES HERE, THERE'S POTENTIAL TO EXPAND ALLOWABLE HEIGHTS AND DENSITIES. 
          THERE'S FLEXIBILITY WHEN MARKET CONDITIONS IMPROVE OR CHANGE. 
          UM, ALSO THERE'S A NEED TO TARGET ANY OF GROUND FLOOR RETAIL REQUIREMENTS TO THE STRONGEST NODES AND BLOCKS IN THE, IN THE AREA. 
          UH, AND THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO ENHANCE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS BETWEEN DOWNTOWN THE WAREHOUSE DISTRICT, THE THEATER DISTRICT, AND RIVER PLAZA, SO THAT THE HOLE IS MORE THAN THE SUM OF ITS PARTS. 
          ESSENTIALLY, THEY, THOSE DISTRICTS CAN SUPPORT EACH OTHER. 
          AND, UH, LASTLY POTENTIALLY TO SUPPORT PROPERTY OWNERS IN ADDRESSING THOSE LEASE CONSTRAINTS AND OTHER UNIQUE OWNERSHIP AND OTHER RESTRICTIONS THAT I MENTIONED. 
          THANK YOU, DEREK. 
          OKAY. 
          MOVING TO THE, UH, MUCH DISCUSSED HISTORIC AGRICULTURAL SERVICES DISTRICT. 
          UM, SO THAT, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THAT REALLY REPRESENTS THESE TWO, UM, PARCELS OF THESE TWO OPERATORS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, UH, THE HUNT AND BARONS AND THE, AND THE DAIRYMAN'S. 
          UM, I THINK THE CONSIDERATIONS ARE FAIRLY OBVIOUS. 
          AGAIN, IT'S LOCATION DOWNTOWN WOULD PERHAPS SUGGEST THAT IT COULD BE, UM, AN INFILL DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD SUPPORT TRANSIT IN LOWER BMT, BUT THERE IS A VERY, VERY UNIQUE ASPECT TO BOTH OF THESE BUILDINGS AND HOW THEY SORT OF INTERPLAY WITH THE AGRICULTURAL HISTORY AND AGRICULTURAL ECONOMY OF THE CITY. 
          UM, SO I THINK WE, WE TEED UP THESE QUESTIONS A LITTLE BIT ALREADY, BUT, BUT SORT OF MOST BASICALLY IS SHOULD THE CITY CHANGE ITS LAND USE REGULATIONS NOW TO ALLOW A MIXED USE OR A DIFFERENT, UM, ACTIVITY THAN AGRICULTURAL INDUSTRIAL, OR AS SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS HAS ALREADY SUGGESTED, WE SHOULD CONSIDER, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WAITING FOR THOSE OWNERS TO APPROACH THE CITY WHEN THEY'RE READY TO CHANGE THEIR USES. 
          UM, AND THEN AS A FOLLOW ON, IF, IF WE WERE TO ALLOW MIXED USE, HOW LARGE OR HOW TALL SHOULD WE ALLOW MIXED USE MOVING TO THE RIVER PARK OR THE, THE CANNELL SITE? FORMERLY THE CANNELL SITE? UM, SOME OF THE, SINCE IT WAS PURCHASED, UM, BY, UH, THE, THE PARK CONSERVANCY, OBVIOUSLY RIVER ACCESS AND ECOLOGICAL FEATURES ARE GONNA BE, UH, A COMPONENT OF THE, OF THE SITE IN THE FUTURE, INCLUDING, UH, A BRIDGE TO MCNAIR LANDING AND, AND SOME, SOME RESTORE RESTORATION OF THE SLOUGH. 
          UM, BUT THAT STILL LEAVES SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME OTHER TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT, WHICH MIGHT BE, UH, HOUSING COMMUNITY SPACE OR MAKER SPACES. 
          UM, AGAIN, THIS SITE IS, IS QUITE CLOSE TO THE SMART STATION, SO IT COULD BE A POTENTIAL INFILL SITE WHICH SUPPORTS 
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DOWNTOWN AND THE SMART STATION. 
          UH, YEAH, AS I SAID, THE, THE NEW OWNER OF THIS SITE HAS INDICATED THAT THEY DO PLAN TO BUILD CERTAIN PARKS AND TRAIL ASPECTS, BUT THE QUESTION SORT OF THE COMMUNITY IS WHAT ELSE, UM, WOULD WE LIKE TO SEE AT THIS SITE? HOW INTENSE WOULD WE LIKE TO SEE THE SITE BE DEVELOPED? MOVING TO OUR CORRIDORS, WE HAVE THE, UM, PETALUMA BOULEVARD NORTH SECTION, SORT OF FROM, FROM DOWNTOWN MOVING OUT TO THE LUCKY'S OR AROUND THE CENTER BAR AREA. 
          THEN WE HAVE PETALUMA BOULEVARD SOUTH FROM APPROXIMATELY D STREET OVER TO JUST PAST I STREET. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE EAST WASHINGTON, UM, FROM LAKEVILLE, UM, UP TO THE POOL. 
          UM, PETALUMA BOULEVARD NORTH, I THINK IS, IS AN AREA OF AN OPPORTUNITY. 
          THERE ARE UNDER UNDERUTILIZED SITES THAT COULD BE INFILLED. 
          UM, THIS, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT ALONG THIS CORRIDOR WOULD SUPPORT, UH, GREATER USE OF TRANSIT VMT REDUCTION AND A GENERAL IMPROVEMENT IN THE QUALITY AND CHARACTER OF THE CORRIDOR AND COULD POTENTIALLY SUPPORT AT THE 50 MINUTE CENTER AT THE TOP OF THE CORRIDOR. 
          UH, SO THE QUESTIONS ARE COMPARED TO WHAT'S ALLOWED NOW, WHICH IS OF A SERIES OF MIXED USES, SORT OF IN GREATER INTENSITY TOWARDS DOWNTOWN AND THEN DECREASING IN INTENSITY IN HEIGHT AS YOU MOVE AWAY FROM DOWNTOWN. 
          SO THE QUESTION TO THE COMMUNITY IS IF, SHOULD WE CONSIDER CHANGES TO THESE ALLOWED USES INTENSITY? AND IF SO, WHAT SHOULD THE GENERAL CHARACTER OF THE CORRIDOR BE? SHOULD IT BE A KIND OF CONSISTENT FOUR THROUGH FOUR OR FIVE STORY CHARACTER, OR SHOULD WE KEEP THIS NOTION THAT HEIGHT SHOULD KIND OF DECREASE AS ONE MOVES AWAY FROM THE DOWNTOWN? CAN YOU, CAN YOU JUST GO BACK AND JUST LEVEL SET WHAT THE, CAN YOU JUST RESET ON SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE LIKE THE FRAMING FOR SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS? ONE MORE TIME? SORRY. 
          SURE. 
          THESE ARE QUESTIONS WE'RE GOING TO GO OUT TO ASK THE PUBLIC AS WHEN WE GO TO DO ALTERNATIVES IN WORKSHOPS AND IN ONLINE SURVEYS. 
          SO WHAT WE WANT FROM COUNCIL IS TO SAY YES OR NO, WE SHOULD ASK THESE QUESTIONS OF THE PUBLIC, ESSENTIALLY. 
          OKAY. 
          DOES THAT, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? OKAY. 
          SO MOVING TO PETALUMA BOULEVARD SOUTH, UM, THE REASONS WE MIGHT LOOK AT IT IS THAT IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, COULD BE IMPROVED AS A GATEWAY INTO THE CITY. 
          IT'S, ITS CHARACTER AND DESIGN AND ACTIVITY COULD BE ENHANCED. 
          UM, WE ASSUME THAT THERE WILL BE AS NECESSARY SOME RESILIENCE OR ADAPTATION STRATEGIES IF THE FLOODING THAT IMPACTS THE WAREHOUSE DISTRICT SORT OF CONTINUES AND IMPACTS THIS AREA AS WELL. 
          SO THE QUESTION WE HAVE FOR THE PUBLIC IS KIND OF WHAT SHOULD BE THE CHARACTER OR THE FEEL OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT. 
          UM, RIGHT NOW THE REGULATIONS IN THE CITY CODE ARE, ARE NOT CONSISTENT ALONG BOTH SIDES OF THE CORRIDOR, IN PART BECAUSE THE, UM, CENTRAL PETALUMA SPECIFIC PLAN ONLY COVERS THE PART NORTH OF THIS ON THE SIDE OF THE STREET. 
          SO YOU HAVE DIFFERENT REGULATIONS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET. 
          SO THE QUESTION IN THE COMMUNITY IS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE A CONSISTENT CHARACTER ON BOTH SIDES? IF SO, SHOULD IT BE THREE STORIES, FOUR STORIES, OR WOULD YOU PREFER TO SEE AGAIN IN THIS SIMILAR SENSE TO THE OTHER CORRIDOR, THAT DENSITY? UM, AND THEN THE OLD GENERAL PLAN USES THIS TERM TO FEATHER OR TO DECREASE IN DENSITY AND INTENSITY AS YOU MOVE AWAY FROM THE RIVER AND TOWARDS THE NEIGHBORHOODS MOVING TO EAST WASHINGTON? UH, I THINK IT'S, THERE'S, THERE'S BEEN LOTS OF INTEREST IN THIS AREA FROM DATING BACK TO THE OLD GENERAL PLAN AND PROBABLY EVEN BEFORE THAT, IT'S A KINDA KEY CONNECTOR, KEY ARTERY BETWEEN THE NORTH, OR EXCUSE ME, THE EAST SIDE AND THE WEST SIDE. 
          UM, THERE ARE UNDERUTILIZED PARCELS THAT COULD BE INFILLED, A KEY CORRIDOR THAT COULD BE MORE STRONGLY SUPPORTIVE OF TRANSIT AND WALKING. 
          SO, SO THIS SPEAKS TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WE HEARD BEFORE, WHICH IS, UM, CAN WE MAKE THIS CORRIDOR NICE, YOU KNOW, SORT OF INDEPENDENT OF LAND USE? AND SO WE HAVE A QUESTION HERE SORT OF TO THE COMMUNITY, WHICH IS, HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THIS HAPPEN? HOW SHOULD THE CITY KIND OF PRIORITIZE IMPROVING THE CORRIDOR? UM, AND ONE WAY YOU COULD DO THAT IS KIND OF BY REALLY FOCUSING ON SAFETY AND CROSSING. 
          ONE WAY IS, WHICH YOU COULD DO IT, IS FOCUSING ON THE, THE STREET SCAPE, THE TREES AND THE VISUAL ASPECT. 
          AND THE THIRD OF WHICH IS YOU COULD REALLY TRY TO FOCUS ON THE GROUND FLOOR AND MAKE THE GROUND FLOOR REALLY WORK AND REALLY ATTRACT ACTIVITY. 
          UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE COULD PROBABLY TRY TO DO SOME COMBINATION OF ALL THESE STRATEGIES, BUT AGAIN, LIMITED RESOURCES, LIMITED, UM, SORT OF STAFF TIME. 
          SO WE'RE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHERE THE FOCUS AND THE PRIORITY OF THE COMMUNITY MIGHT BE IN THIS AREA. 
          AND THEN FROM A LAND USE QUESTION IS, SHOULD WE CONSIDER CHANGING THE LAND USE HERE? RIGHT NOW IT'S 
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ALLOWED, UM, TWO OR THREE STORY, UH, MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, BUT WE COULD CONSIDER GOING HIGHER. 
          SO FOR INSTANCE, WE COULD CONSIDER MIRRORING THE DENSITY AND INTENSITY IT'S ALLOWED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF LAKEVILLE, UM, TO SORT OF CREATE, YOU KNOW, THIS LARGER, UH, STATION AREA. 
          SO YOU WOULD CONSIDER THEN, UM, EXTENDING THE T SIX OR A HIGHER ZONING ACROSS LAKEVILLE. 
          UM, AND THEN AGAIN, A QUESTION MIGHT BE, SHOULD THE CORRIDOR FEATHER DOWNWARD OR SHOULD IT BE A CONSISTENT TYPE OF CORRIDOR? UH, DEREK, FOR THESE CORRIDORS, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF THE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES THAT EXIST, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY MAYBE THREE TO SIX STORY TOWN HOME AND MULTIFAMILY HOUSING. 
          AGAIN, RECOGNIZING MAYBE THE SIX STORY HOUSING DOESN'T PENCIL TODAY. 
          UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD BE LOOKING KIND OF LONG TERM AT WHAT SOME OF THE OPPORTUNITIES MIGHT BE AND MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE. 
          UM, THERE'S ALSO OPPORTUNITIES FOR GROUND FLOOR FREE STANDING RETAIL AND PROFESSIONAL OFFICE OR MEDICAL OFFICE SPACE THAT'S CENTERED NEAR MAJOR RETAIL NODES. 
          UM, AND SO THIS IS KIND OF A, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IDENTIFY, YOU KNOW, RETAIL WILL REALLY STRUGGLE UNLESS IT'S VISIBLE, ACCESSIBLE AND CONCENTRATED. 
          AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO THINK ABOUT THAT THROUGHOUT ALL OF THESE, THESE CENTERS AND CORRIDORS. 
          UH, ALSO SOME OTHER CHALLENGES ALONG THE CORRIDORS SO THAT THERE ARE SOME SHALLOW AND SMALL LOTS WHICH CAN CONSTRAIN INEFFICIENTLY DESIGN, BUILDING AND DEVELOPMENT PROJECT. 
          UH, AND THEN THERE'S OF COURSE THE FEASIBILITY CHALLENGE I'VE MENTIONED WITH THE HIGHER DENSITY HOUSING. 
          SO AS FAR AS SOME STRATEGY CONCEPTS GO, UH, ONE IS SIMPLY TO ENSURE ZONING AND FORM-BASED REQUIREMENTS ENABLED TOWN HOME AND MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT. 
          ANOTHER IS TO MAKE SURE THAT RETAIL IS ONLY REQUIRED IN OR NEAR KEY NODES. 
          REALLY TRY TO CONCENTRATE THE RETAIL USES TOGETHER AND POTENTIALLY CONSIDER, UH, ADOPTING INCENTIVES FOR DEVELOPERS TO PURSUE ASSEMBLY OF SITES IN ORDER TO GET LARGER DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES. 
          SITES. 
          GREAT. 
          THANKS DEREK. 
          OKAY. 
          MOVING TO OUR 15 MINUTE CENTERS. 
          UH, FIRST LOOKING AT THE SMALLER CENTERS, WHICH WE CALL THE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERS. 
          UM, SO THESE ARE PLACES WHERE WE MIGHT EXPLORE SOME MORE INTENSITY OR SOME DIFFERENT TYPES OF USES. 
          SO I TOUCHED ON SOME OF THESE BEFORE, SO I'LL JUST BE BRIEF, BUT THE BOWLING ALLEY AND THE VETERAN CENTER, THE LEGHORN MARKETPLACE, CASA GRANDE, WESTERN BAKER CREAMERY, AND THEN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT OFFICE AND THIS CITY HALL RIGHT HERE, UH, DEREK CAN TEE THIS ONE UP. 
          SURE. 
          SO IN LOOKING AT THESE, THESE RELATIVELY SMALLER 15 MINUTE CENTERS, UH, WHERE THE SCALE OF HOUSING THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IN THESE LOCATIONS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT. 
          WE'RE TALKING MAYBE TWO UP TO FOUR STORY TOWN HOME AND MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING PRODUCT TYPES. 
          SO WE'RE TALKING MORE LIKE TOWN HOMES AND VERY MODESTLY SCALED MULTI-FAMILY BUILDINGS AS BEING A POTENTIAL FIT FOR THESE AREAS AND FOR THE MARKET REPRESENTED AT THEM. 
          UH, ALSO THERE'S SOME OF THESE SITES ARE LARGE ENOUGH THAT WE COULD BE LOOKING AT HORIZONTAL MIXED USE. 
          SO I, YOU KNOW, BUILDING VERTICAL MIXED USE WITH RETAIL ON THE GROUND FLOOR AND HOUSING ABOVE CAN BE A CHALLENGING, UH, AND EXPENSIVE PROSPECT FOR DEVELOPERS. 
          SO SOMETIMES WHEN THERE'S ENOUGH SPACE, YOU CAN GET A FUNCTIONAL DISTRICT WITH THE HORIZONTAL MIXED USE AS AN OPTION THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT EASIER FOR DEVELOPERS TO PURSUE. 
          UM, NOT TO DISCOUNT THE POSSIBILITY OF VERTICAL MIXED USE AS WELL. 
          OF COURSE, UH, SOME CHALLENGES FOR THESE SITES ARE THAT HOUSING DEVELOP HOUSING DEVELOPERS MAY PREFER INWARD ORIENTED IN ENTIRELY RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS, AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE CHALLENGES OF INTEGRATING RETAIL AND BECAUSE, UH, IT'S A LITTLE BIT EASIER JUST TO CREATE THAT RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY THAT SORT OF FACES IN AND ITSELF. 
          UM, SO THAT WOULD NEED TO BE ADDRESSED, UH, IN THE DESIGN CONSIDERATIONS AND VISIONING. 
          UH, AGAIN, THERE'S SOME, A NEED TO ENSURE THERE'S A CRITICAL MASS OF RETAIL. 
          UH, AND YOU KNOW, IF IT HAPPENS THAT ONE OF THESE SITES IS TARGETED FOR DEVELOPMENT BY A LARGE RETAIL CHAIN, IT'S SOMETHING THAT COMES UP LESS AND LESS OFTEN, BUT IT STILL COULD HAPPEN, THEN THEY MIGHT COMPETE FOR THE SITE INSTEAD OF, UH, HOUSING OR A MIXED USE SCENARIO. 
          UH, SOME STRATEGY CONCEPTS INCLUDED ASSISTING PROPERTY OWNERS WITH REVISIONING OPPORTUNITIES AT THEIR SITES, ENSURING DESIGN REQUIREMENTS REQUIRE THOUGHTFUL INTEGRATION OF HOUSING AND COMMERCIAL AND OUTWARD STREET FACING ORIENTATION OF WHAT'S DEVELOPED AT THE SITES, ENSURING RETAIL IS FUNCTIONAL AND VISIBLE AS WELL, AND MAINTAINING SOME AMOUNT OF MINIMUM RETAIL OR ACTIVE FRONTAGE REQUIREMENTS IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT THESE DO BECOME, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERS. 
          THANKS DEREK. 
          SO THE FIRST ONE HERE IS THE BOWLING ALLEY AND VETERAN CENTER. 
          THIS IS ONE AND ONE OF MANY THAT CAME OUT OF THE S STAT PROCESS, THAT PREVIOUS COMMUNITY VISIONING PROCESS. 
          UM, THIS WOULD, UH, ENTER KIND OF INFILL AN UNDERUTILIZED SITE ON PETALUMA BOULEVARD SOUTH. 
          MIGHT ALSO BUILD OFF OF KIND OF SOME OF THE ENERGY HAPPENING AROUND THIS AREA WITH THE CALL FIELD IMPROVEMENTS. 
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UH, SO THE, THE QUESTIONS FOR THE COMMUNITY ARE, UM, HOW TALL AND INTENSE SHOULD THIS FUTURE MIXED USE ACTIVITY CENTER BE? HOW MIXED USE SHOULD IT BE? SHOULD IT, SHOULD IT BE REQUIRED, UM, TO HAVE RETAIL OR IN SOME FASHION? AND THEN KIND OF HOW MUCH OF THE CENTER SHOULD BE ON THE KIND OF WEST SIDE OF MCNAIR VERSUS EXTENDING ACROSS TO THE OTHER SIDE OF MCNAIR MOVING TO LEGHORN MARKETPLACE. 
          AGAIN, THIS WAS, UM, LOOKED AT DURING S STAT AND UM, IS A SORT OF SOMEWHAT STRUGGLING SHOPPING MALL THAT, THAT POTENTIALLY COULD BE EVOLVED OR, OR ENHANCED IN SOME WAYS. 
          SO THE QUESTION OF THE COMMUNITY IS SHOULD, HOW INTENSE SHOULD WE ALLOW FUTURE DEVELOPMENT HERE TO BE? AND SPECIFICALLY WHAT, WHAT MIX OF LAND USES SHOULD WE ENCOURAGE? UM, THIS WAS ONE SITE WHERE, UM, GREENSFELDER THOUGHT LIVE WORK MIGHT BE, UH, POTENTIALLY VIABLE. 
          AND SIMILARLY, CASA GRANDE, ANOTHER SITE IDENTIFIED IN THE S STAT PROCESS, AGAIN, IT'S A VACANT SITE ON A KEY CORRIDOR, UM, WOULD HELP TO PROVIDE, UM, AMENITIES AND SERVICES TO THE WEST SIDE, WHICH IS SORELY LACKING. 
          UM, THIS SITE IS CURRENTLY ZONED FOR, UM, MEDIUM RESIDENTIAL DENSITY. 
          SO THE QUESTION IS, UM, YOU KNOW, SHOULD WE ALLOW MIXED USE? IF SO, HOW INTENSE SHOULD IT BE? UM, SIMILARLY, THIS IS A PLACE WHERE LIVE WORK, UM, MIGHT POTENTIALLY BE VIABLE OR COULD BE REQUIRED OR INCENTIVIZED. 
          LOOKING AT THE CREAMERY JUST DOWN THE STREET AT WESTERN AND BAKER, AGAIN, THIS WAS DISCUSSED DURING THE ES STAT PROCESS. 
          UM, YOU, WE ALREADY HAVE KIND OF SOME SMALL MIXED USE ACTIVITY THERE. 
          AGAIN, WE HAVE THIS VERY UNIQUE AND, AND SPECIAL AGRICULTURAL, UM, CHARACTER THAT IS PART OF THIS SITE. 
          UM, THIS SITE IS CURRENTLY ZONED FOR INDUSTRIAL. 
          SO AGAIN, IF WE WERE TO CHANGE THIS, THE QUESTION MIGHT BE WHAT TYPE OF MIXED USE SHOULD BE ALLOWED AT THIS SITE? HOW TALL, HOW INTENSE? DID YOU JUST SKIP FOUR THREE? OH NO, UH, CASA GRANDE. 
          YEAH. 
          DID YOU ALREADY COVER CASA GRANDE? YEAH. 
          OH DAMN, I'M SO FAR BEHIND. 
          SORRY. 
          SORRY. 
          CAN YOU SLOW DOWN FOR YEAH, FOR MY BRAIN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. 
          NO WORRIES. 
          OKAY. 
          FOUR FIVE. 
          UM, SO THIS IS A QUESTION ABOUT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT OFFICE, WHICH IS JUST AROUND THE STREET, UM, WHERE THE KENNY'S IS. 
          SO THE QUESTION IS SORT OF SHOULD THE CITY WORK OUT, REACH OUT AND WORK WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO REALLY REDEVELOP THAT PROPERTY INTO A MORE INTENSE, LARGER, REAL SIGNIFICANT NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER? AND SIMILARLY, UM, THE CITY SHOULD THE CITY KIND OF SEEK TO RELOCATE THIS CITY HALL FACILITY AND REDEVELOP THIS SITE WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          OKAY. 
          MOVING TO OUR LARGER TOWN CENTERS. 
          UM, SO WE HAVE A COUPLE HERE. 
          UM, WE DISCUSSED A FEW OF THEM AND THEN WE'LL TOUCH ON THE WASHINGTON SQUARE AND PLAZA NORTH AT THE END. 
          UM, SO DEREK, SURE. 
          SO THESE LARGER TOWN CENTERS HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE VARIETY OF THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE POSSIBLE BECAUSE OF THE SIZE AND SCALE OF THEM. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF HOUSING, YOU COULD BE LOOKING AT THREE STORY UP TO SIX STORY, UH, TOWN HOME AND MULTIFAMILY HOUSING, BUT THERE MIGHT BE DIFFERENT MIXES AND CONFIGURATIONS WITHIN THAT. 
          THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE, AND IT MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET SOME OF THE HIGHER INTENSITY HOUSING, UH, EARLIER, UM, BY HAVING THAT MIX. 
          ALSO, THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR HORIZONTAL AND VERTICAL MIXED USE DEPENDING ON HOW DEVELOPMENT PLAYS OUT ACROSS THE SITE AND INTEGRATION OF RETAIL, PROFESSIONAL MEDICAL OFFICE AND LIVE WORK USES. 
          THERE'S JUST A LOT MORE FLEXIBILITY A DEVELOPER MIGHT BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT IN SOME OF THESE LARGER SITES. 
          UH, NOW SOME OF THESE SITES DO HAVE SHOPPING CENTERS ON THEM, AND SO IN SOME CASES WE MIGHT BE LOOKING AT REPURPOSING EXCESS PARKING FOR HOUSING SHOULD THE PROPERTY OWNER DECIDE THAT THERE IS EXCESS PARKING. 
          SO THAT'S ONE OF THE CHALLENGES. 
          UH, OTHER CHALLENGES INCLUDE THESE CENTERS MIGHT INCLUDE TENANTS WITH DIFFERENT LEASE TERMINATION DATES. 
          THE TENANTS MIGHT HAVE CONTROL OF COMMON AREAS AND PARKING LOTS. 
          SO IT'S POSSIBLE SOME, UM, LEASES WOULD NEED TO BE RENEGOTIATED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE CITY COULD POTENTIALLY SUPPORT, UM, IN, IN THAT PROCESS. 
          UM, SOME LONGTIME PROPERTY OWNERS MIGHT HAVE VERY LITTLE INCENTIVE TO RISK REDEVELOPMENT IF THEY ARE MAKING RETURN ON THEIR CURRENT INVESTMENT IF THEY HAVE LOW HOLDING AND OPERATING COSTS. 
          UH, AND THEN ALSO THERE'S THE SAME NEED TO MAKE SURE THERE'S A CRITICAL MASS OF RETAIL IF IT'S INCLUDED TO ENSURE THE RETAIL IS FUNCTIONAL. 
          SO THE CITY, SOME NEW IDEAS I DIDN'T MENTION BEFORE IN THIS, UH, THE, THE, UH, CITY COULD ENSURE THAT MINIMUM RETAIL PARKING REQUIREMENTS ARE AS LOW AS PRACTICAL. 
          UM, ALSO POTENTIALLY THERE COULD BE INCENTIVES INCLUDED FOR A DEVELOP FOR WHO UNDERTAKES A MASTER PLANNING OR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT PROCESS. 
          AND, UM, ONE 
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OPPORTUNITY HERE IS TO ENSURE THAT THERE ARE MINIMUM RESIDENTIAL DENSITY REQUIREMENT DENSITY REQUIREMENTS, SO THAT IF THESE CENTERS DO CHANGE, THEY CHANGE IN A WAY THAT MATCHES THE COMMUNITY'S VISION. 
          GREAT. 
          THANKS DEREK. 
          UH, SO THE FIRST ONE HERE THAT WE DISCUSSED EARLIER IS THE LUCKY'S SITE, UM, ALONG PELOMA BOULEVARD NORTH AND MAGNOLIA. 
          UM, THIS IS ADJACENT TO A SITE IDENTIFIED BY S STAT, BUT THIS IS ACTUALLY AN EXPANSION OF THE S STAT CONCEPT. 
          UM, THIS IS A SITE THAT OUR RETAIL CONSULTANT FINDS VERY PROMISING. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT'S A SHOPPING MALL THAT HE SEES STRONG POTENTIAL TO EVOLVE, UM, IN THE FUTURE. 
          SO THE QUESTION TO THE PUBLIC WOULD BE, HOW INTENSE WOULD WE WANT TO ALLOW A FUTURE MIXED USE REDEVELOPMENT OF THIS SHOPPING MALL BE, AND WHAT WHAT IT USES SHOULD BE ALLOWED MOVING TO THE OUTLETS. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, THIS IS ONE WHERE WE ARE A BIT MORE OPEN-ENDED, WE ARE, WE HAVE A BIT MORE, UM, QUESTION TO THE COMMUNITY AS TO WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN. 
          UM, THIS WAS NOT A SITE IDENTIFIED BY ESTA, BUT AGAIN, WE'VE HEARD THAT THERE IS THE, THE THEATER THERE AND SOME OTHER NEW USES HAPPENING THERE. 
          SO IT'S POTENTIALLY SORT OF AN ORGANICALLY HAPPENING CENTER THAT THE CITY MAY WANT TO FURTHER SUPPORT. 
          UM, THERE'S ALSO, EVEN THOUGH THE, THE AREA IS, YOU KNOW, BY THE RIVER AND HAS SOME FLOODING ON SITE THERE, THERE WAS SIGNIFICANT FLOOD CONTROL INFRASTRUCTURE BUILT WHEN THE SITE WAS ORIGINALLY DEVELOPED. 
          SO THERE, THERE IS, UM, THERE IS SORT OF AN ASSET THERE THAT COULD BE LEVERAGED. 
          UH, SO AGAIN, THE QUESTION IS, IS IS A BIT MORE OPEN-ENDED, WHICH IS WHAT IS REALLY THE FUTURE OF THE OUTLETS AND WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE SOME OPTIONS FOR, FOR THE PUBLIC TO CONSIDER, BUT, UM, WE WANNA SORT OF TAKE THE TEMPERATURE ON THE OUTLETS AND THEN THIS GETS TO, UH, WASHINGTON SQUARE AND PLAZA NORTH. 
          UM, AND SO BOTH OF THESE SITES ARE, ARE CURRENTLY ZONED, UM, THE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL. 
          SO THEY, THEY ONLY ALLOW, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL USES, UM, WITH SOME, WITH SOME EXCEPTIONS FOR SMALLER SCALE MIXED USES. 
          UM, BUT THE QUESTION REALLY IS SHOULD THE CITY ALLOW A STANDALONE RESIDENTIAL USE OR SIGNIFICANTLY TALLER FOR FIVE STORY MIXED USE BUILDINGS IN EITHER ONE OR BOTH OF THESE LOCATIONS. 
          UM, SO FOR INSTANCE, YOU COULD SHOW CHANGE THE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL ZONING AND THAT WOULD'VE IMPACT BOTH OF THESE SITES. 
          OKAY. 
          MOVING TO THE POTENTIAL EXPANSION AT CORONA, AND AGAIN, THIS IS ALL, UH, RELIANT ON WHAT HAPPENS IN NOVEMBER, SO WE DON'T WANT TO GET TOO FAR OUT AHEAD OF OUR SKIS HERE. 
          UM, BUT WE DO WANT TO KIND OF JUST PLANT THE SEED IN THE MINE THAT, UM, IF WE WERE TO MOVE IN, IF THE CITY MOVES IN THIS DIRECTION THAT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF FIRSTLY THE, THE RADIUS OF A FUTURE SMART STATION, APPROXIMATELY A HALF MILE WOULD ENCOMPASS THE AREA THAT WE WOULD SEE AS SORT OF GENERALLY SUITABLE TO CREATING, UH, A NEW NEIGHBORHOOD AND A NEW CENTER. 
          UM, THERE, YOU KNOW, REASONS FOR DOING THIS EXPANSION, THAT IT WOULD OF COURSE SUPPORT USE OF SMART, IT WOULD LEVERAGE IMPROVEMENTS ALONG DOW. 
          UM, THERE WOULD SORT OF FOLLOW ON ACTUALLY OF THE FUTURE SPECIFIC PLAN PROCESS. 
          UM, SO THE QUESTION TO THE PUBLIC IS WHAT WE WERE CONSIDERING ASKING IS, YOU KNOW, IF THE BALLOT MEASURE IS APPROVED, WHAT SHOULD THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT LOOK LIKE? HOW INTENT SHOULD IT BE? AND THEN THE SECOND PART OF THAT IS, SHOULD THIS AREA BE AN AREA OF FOCUS FOR JOBS AS WELL AS HOUSING? AND THEN AS A PART OF THIS AND FOLLOWING ONTO THE SPECIFIC PLAN IS THAT IF THAT CORONA AREA STARTS TO CHANGE AND THE UGB HAS EXPANDED, THEN WHAT SHOULD WE DO? AND WHAT, HOW SHOULD WE THINK ABOUT SOME OF THE SUPPORTING AND ADJACENT AREAS ALONG NORTH MCDOWELL? SHOULD THOSE BE CHANGED OR INTENSIFIED IN SOME FASHION? UM, JUST SORT OF TEEING THIS UP FOR THE SPECIFIC PLAN. 
          ALL RIGHT, SO THOSE ARE KIND OF THE, ALL THE ALTERNATIVE AREAS, AREAS OF SPECIFIC LAND USE CHANGE FOCUS. 
          BUT NOW I'LL MOVE US INTO A, A BRIEF SECTION ON EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          AS RON SAID, WE'RE NOT IGNORING EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          UM, WE JUST HAVE A DIFFERENT SET OF POLICIES AND PROPOSALS FOR THIS AREA. 
          SO I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH THIS ONE. 
          SO THE GOAL THAT WE'VE ARTICULATED HERE FOR OUR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS IS THAT THE EXISTING FAIRLY LOW DENSITY NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE FUTURE WOULD PROVIDE A MORE RICH AND VARIED RANGE OF MISSING MIDDLE OR SOMETIMES CALLED MIDDLE DENSITY HOUSING. 
          AND WE WOULD ACCOMPLISH THAT LARGELY THROUGH TWO STRATEGIES OR TWO POLICIES. 
          ONE WHICH WAS DISCUSSED EARLIER, WHICH WAS TO CONTINUE TO PROMOTE AND EXPEDITE A DU CONSTRUCTION. 
          AND THEN THE SECOND ONE, UM, WHICH I'LL DISCUSS A BIT, IS TO CHANGE THE ALLOWED LAND USE REGULATIONS TO PERMIT MORE UNITS OR SUBDIVISIONS OR LOT SPLITS OR TWO, 
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THREE AND FOUR UNIT DEVELOPMENTS OR HIGHER. 
          UM, SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MISSING MIDDLE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE KINDS OF HOUSING. 
          USUALLY IT'S, UH, DUPLEX HOUSING, TOWNHOUSE HOUSING, THREE UNITS, HOUSING. 
          THEY'RE USUALLY TWO STORIES, THREE STORIES TALL. 
          UM, YOU SEE A LOT OF THEM IN PORTLAND. 
          YOU SEE A LOT OF THEM IN, UM, HERCULES. 
          YOU SEE, UM, THESE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT SOMETIMES ORGANICALLY CAN BE BUILT ON A PARCEL IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WITHOUT OVERLY, YOU KNOW, DISRUPTING THE CHARACTER OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO, UM, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF STATE LAW CONTEXT HERE, WHICH HAS JUST RECENTLY CHANGED. 
          UM, UP UNTIL LAST WEEK THERE WAS A STATE LAW SB NINE THAT WAS PASSED, WHICH ESSENTIALLY SAID THAT CITIES MUST ALLOW, UM, THE BUYRIGHT APPROVAL OF DUPLEXES AND OR LOT SPLITS FUNCTIONAL FOR, FOR PROJECTS THAT MEET SPECIFIC STANDARDS FUNCTIONALLY ALLOWING UP TO FOUR UNITS ON ALL SINGLE FAMILY ZONES. 
          SO IN PETALUMA, THAT WOULD BE THE, THE ZONES IN YELLOW HERE THAT WE SHOW ON THE MAP THAT RURAL RESIDENTIAL, VERY LOW AND LOW DENSITY. 
          UM, STATE, THIS WAS THROWN INTO QUESTION RECENTLY LAST WEEK, UH, A JUDGE, UH, OVERTURNED THE, AN APPEAL FROM SOME CHARTER CITIES WHO CHALLENGED THE, UM, APPLICABILITY OF THIS LAW TO CHARTER CITIES. 
          UM, PETALUMA IS A CHARTER CITY, SO, UM, I THINK MAYBE ERIC MIGHT BE ABLE TO SPEAK MORE TO THE LEGAL, LEGAL, UM, SORT OF IMPLICATIONS HERE. 
          BUT OUR, OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT BASICALLY THE SB NINE MAY NOT APPLY TO CHARTER CITIES, UM, GOING FORWARD. 
          HOWEVER, UH, THIS DOESN'T REALLY CHANGE NECESSARILY THE NOTION THAT PETALUMA CAN EXPLORE THESE TYPES OF INFILLS ON ITS OWN. 
          IT JUST DOESN'T NEED TO BE CONSTRAINED BY THE STATE LAW. 
          UM, BUT WE STILL INTEND TO ASK ABOUT WAYS IN WHICH THESE NEIGHBORHOODS CAN CHANGE. 
          UM, AND IN FACT, SB NINE WAS A LAW THAT WAS SOMEWHAT LIMITED, UM, AND, AND, AND HAD NOT ACTUALLY PRODUCED ALL THAT MUCH, UM, SORT OF INFILL DEVELOPMENT IN PART BECAUSE IT REQUIRED A LOT SPLIT. 
          UM, WHICH IS TO SAY YOUR LOT IS SPLIT IN HALF. 
          UM, BUT THAT, THAT CAN BE CHALLENGING. 
          THAT SOMETIMES REQUIRES A FLAG LOT, WHICH HAS AN UNUSUAL SORT OF NARROW ACCESS. 
          YOU SEE THAT IN THE THIRD DIAGRAM THERE. 
          UM, SO, SO SB NINE, UM, WASN'T TO, TO DATE HAS NOT BEEN SORT OF AS SUCCESSFUL AS, AS, AS WAS INTENDED. 
          SO WE SEE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PETALUMA TO KIND OF MOVE AND LEARN FROM SOME OF THOSE LESSONS AND PERHAPS MOVE FOOT IN A DIRECTION THAT ACTUALLY DOES ENABLE SOME OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD INFILL DEPENDING ON HOW THIS DISCUSSION GOES WITH THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, BUT THESE WERE THE TYPES OF QUESTIONS WE WERE PLANNING ON ASKING THE COMMUNITY, WHICH IS HOW MANY UNITS ON A SINGLE FAMILY LOT WOULD ARE APPROPRIATE. 
          AND WE COULD HAVE A SERIES OF STRATEGIES DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE LOT OR, OR OR OTHER TYPES OF, YOU KNOW, PARAMETERS THAT WE COULD CONSIDER. 
          BUT THIS SORT OF AT A BASIC QUESTION IS HOW MANY UNITS WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. 
          AND THEN SORT OF FOLLOWING ON, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE OTHER STRATEGIES, POLICIES, AND INCENTIVES THAT THE CITY COULD EMPLOY TO REALLY PUSH IF INDEED THIS IS DIRECTION WE MOVE TO PUSH THIS TYPES OF INFILL, UM, BY ADJUSTING REQUIREMENTS, REMOVING PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR INSTANCE, AND OTHER STRATEGIES THAT SUPPORT SINGLE FAMILY INFILL. 
          THE OTHER STRATEGY TO CHANGE OR TO SUPPORT THE EVOLUTION OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS IS THE, UM, MIXING IN OF OTHER USES THAT ARE NOT STRICTLY HOUSING USES. 
          SO THIS IS COULD BE ACCOMPLISHED THROUGH A VARIETY OF STRATEGIES, ONE WHICH IS TO PERMIT, UM, SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL OR CIVIC USES IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          CURRENTLY, THEY'RE MOSTLY RIGHT NOW NOT ALLOWED. 
          SECONDLY, WE COULD EXPAND, UM, OR LESSEN THE, UH, REQUIREMENTS TO GET A HOME OCCUPATION APPROVED, WHICH IS TO SAY, UM, A BUSINESS IN YOUR HOUSE. 
          UM, THE THIRD ONE IS TO REALLY, UM, SORT OF REDEFINE OR, OR REIMAGINE THE REGULATIONS AROUND LIVE WORK AND WORK LIVE TO TRY TO REALLY MAKE THAT HAPPEN IN CERTAIN PLACES IN THE CITY. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, SOME OF THE 15 MINUTE CENTERS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY. 
          SO THE QUESTION HERE IS FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD, WHICH IS SHOULD THE CITY BE, BE MORE FLEXIBLE, UH, WITH REGARDS TO WHAT'S REQUIRED AND PERMITTED, ESPECIALLY IN NEIGHBORHOOD ZONES. 
          CAN YOU GO BACK A SLIDE? SORRY,  TOO LATE NOW. 
          BACK ONE MORE SLIDE. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE THIS EVENING. 
          IT WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION. 
          UM, AGAIN, WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO BE AT THIS MOMENT AND EMBARKING ON THIS CONVERSATION, VERY INTERESTED IN YOUR FEEDBACK TONIGHT ON WHETHER WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK OR NOT. 
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UM, BECAUSE WE VERY MUCH WANT YOU TO BE IN SUPPORT OF WHERE WE'RE HEADED IN OUR, UH, ANTICIPATED CONVERSATIONS WITH THE PUBLIC. 
          SO, UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTIVENESS AND LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR FEEDBACK. 
          OH, YOU'RE GONNA LEAVE IT TO US TO STRUCTURE YOUR FEEDBACK. 
          WELL, THAT IS TRICKY. 
          UM, SO YOU HAVE SEVERAL LAND USE ALTERNATIVES, CITYWIDE CONCEPTS. 
          SHOULD WE BREAK 'EM OUT AND AND HIT 'EM ONE OFF AND SEE IF WE THINK YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK WITH EACH OF 'EM? SO COULD YOU TELL US, UM, COULD YOU SAY WHAT A IS? YEAH, WE COULD GO BACK AREA THINK GO AREA BY AREA. 
          WOULD THAT HELP? YEAH, I THINK YOU, YOU KIND OF HERE ON THE SLIDE IF YOU, IF YOU JUST WANNA SAY THE BLUE AREA. 
          YEAH. 
          SO BLUE AREA IS AREA ONE. 
          WE CALL THAT THE UPSTREAM AND THEN THE DOWNSTREAM AREAS. 
          AREA TWO IS THE CORE, WHICH IS THESE AREAS IN THE, IN THE YELLOW. 
          LET'S SLOW DOWN. 
          I, I HOPEFULLY WE'VE, UM, STAYED WITH YOU AND, AND SO I THINK THE BLUE, LET ME LOOK UP AND DOWN THE COUNCIL AND SEE WHO WANTS TO WEIGH IN OR IS IT JUST A THUMBS UP FOR WHAT THE STRATEGY WAS THAT THEY PRESENTED? I JUST HAVE ONE PLEASE. 
          I JUST HAD ONE QUESTION BECAUSE AT ONE POINT THERE WAS TALK ABOUT NOT DEVELOPING IN AREAS WITH, UH, MORE THAN A FOUR FOOT FLOOD DEPTH, WHICH SEEMED TO ME TO BE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS COUNCIL WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE LIKE AT A ZERO FOOT FLOOD DEPTH. 
          AND I I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT WAS ABOUT. 
          YEAH, SO THAT, UM, THE PROPOSAL WAS THAT THAT POLICY WOULD APPLY FOR AREAS SORT OF UPSTREAM OF THE RIVER. 
          UM, AND THE, THE CURRENT POLICY OF THE CITY IS THAT THE FLOODWAY, THE ZERO DEVELOPMENT IS ALLOWED IN THE FLOODWAY. 
          UM, WHEN WE MOVE INTO THE, THE FLOODPLAIN, UM, THE, THE, THE CURRENTLY IN THOSE AREAS OF THE CITY, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO POTENTIALLY DEVELOP IN THOSE AREAS, UM, DEPENDING ON THE SITE SPECIFIC CONFIGURATIONS. 
          UM, SO WE ARE PROPOSING THAT, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY MOST OF THAT AREA IS CURRENT, CURRENTLY HAS SOME FLOOD RISK. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          SO, OKAY, THAT MAKES A LITTLE BIT MORE SENSE. 
          ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THIS KIND OF WEIRD, WEIRD THING IN OUR CURRENT RULES WHERE THERE'S A ZERO NET FILL POLICY IN SOME PARTS OF THE CITY BUT NOT IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET AT? THAT'S PART OF IT. 
          I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY TARGETING THIS POLICY ONLY AT THE UPSTREAM, AT THIS, THIS UPSTREAM AREA, UPSTREAM OF THE WEIR. 
          SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT OTHER AREAS. 
          OKAY, OKAY. 
          NO, I'M FINE WITH THAT. 
          AND YOU HAVE A PARTICULAR QUESTION YOU WANT US TO SAY WHETHER WE LIKE THE QUESTION OR NOT AS IS THIS IS BEYOND CHANGES ALLOWED LAND USE, SHOULD THE CITY ALSO ESTABLISH MINIMUM SETBACKS FROM RIVER PROHIBIT DEVELOPMENT IN THE SENSE OF RIPARIAN FROM WHERE DEEP FLOODING IS PROJECTED IS? YEAH, YOU COULD SIMPLY SAY, YOU KNOW, THE, IS THIS THE RIGHT AREA TO ASK PEOPLE ABOUT? AND IS THAT GENERALLY THE RIGHT QUESTION AND ONLY QUESTION, THAT'S THE ONLY ONE YOU'RE GONNA PULL THE PUBLIC ON PRETTY MUCH, YEAH. 
          THE, THE, THE, THE LAND USE QUESTION AND THEN THE SETBACKS AND SORT OF FLOOD FLOODING QUESTION. 
          SO THERE IS A LAND USE QUESTION IN THIS AREA. 
          SO I MEAN TO LEAD UP I I, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT APPROACH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, ALRIGHT, SO WE MOVE TO THE UM, NEXT, WHICH IS THE, UH, LAKEVILLE PROPERTY, SAME KIND OF CONCERN, THE DOWNSTREAM YEAH. 
          BY THE ADJACENT TO THE MARINA. 
          AND, AND MY QUESTION THERE IS WHY IS THAT SUCH A LIMITED AREA? BECAUSE THE FLOOD PLAIN MODELING SEEMED TO IMPLICATE A LARGER SWATH OF TERRITORY DOWN THERE. 
          WELL, YEAH. 
          SO THIS IS, THIS IS AN AREA WHERE THERE'S AN INTERSECTION OF IMPACT AND RELATIVELY LOW INTENSE DEVELOPMENT. 
          WE WOULDN'T, WE ARE NOT SUGGESTING, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPED HOUSING OR MIXED USE PROJECTS BE BE DE INTENSIFIED. 
          BUT THIS AREA IS LARGELY PUBLIC STORAGE AND FAIRLY, FAIRLY LOW VALUE, UM, SORT OF BUSINESSES LIKE THE, AGAIN, PUBLIC STORAGE. 
          SO IN THAT REGARD, IT'S, IT'S AN AREA WE EXPECT TO BE IMPACTED AND THEY ALSO DOESN'T HAVE THAT MUCH CURRENT DEVELOPMENT AND THEREFORE IS A, A STRONGER CANDIDATE FOR PERHAPS DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE. 
          BUT IT'S ALSO LARGELY DEVELOPED SO, WELL IT'S DEVELOPED IT'S A DOWN ZONING, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE PREEXISTING USE RIGHTS, RIGHT? YES. 
          SO RIGHT. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S CURRENTLY DEVELOPED, UM, AT A LESSER INTENSITY IN USE THAN WHAT'S ALLOWED BECAUSE WHAT'S ALLOWED IS MIXED USE. 
          SO WHAT WE WOULD BE DOING IS ESSENTIALLY SAYING, WE'RE GONNA ZONE YOU FOR WHAT YOU ARE NOW AND NOT ALLOW YOU TO DEVELOP INTO A MORE POTENTIALLY RISK RISKY MIXED USE 
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DEVELOPMENT, WHICH PUTS HOUSING IN THE FLOOD PLAIN. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          THAT'S A BETTER EXPLANATION. 
          I LIKE THAT. 
          THANKS. 
          SO THE QUESTION YOU'VE GOT IS, SHOULD ALLOWED LAND USES IN THE EASTVILLE LAKE EAST LAKEVILLE AREA, WHICH IS CURRENTLY DESIGNATED FOR MIXED USE, I'D ADD THE WORDS AND BUILT OR SOMETHING TO SHOW THAT IT HAS EXISTING BE REALIGNED AND OR DECERT DE INTENSIFIED. 
          I THINK WE'RE ALL ALL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT QUESTION. 
          UH, NOW WE'RE MOVING THE CORE AREA, UH, THE, UH, DOWNTOWN AREA AND YOUR PUBLIC, AND THIS IS MUCH, MUCH OVERLAPPED WITH THE OVERLAY AREA. 
          UM, JUST THIS, THE AREA IN QUESTION AND SHOULD THE GENERAL PLAN ALLOW, UH, ADDITIONAL ACTIVE LAND USES SUCH AS MAKERSPACE COWORKING SPACE OR LIVE WORK TO INCREASE VIBRANCY WHILE MAINTAINING DOWNTOWN CHARACTER? AND YOU ALSO ASK WHERE IF AT ALL IS APPROPRIATE TO ALLOW TALLER BUILDING HEIGHTS FOR ME? I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT OF, UM, UM, TALLER BUILDING HEIGHTS. 
          WE, WE PROBABLY NEED TO TELL PEOPLE THE EXISTING IS THIS, WOULD YOU, YOU KNOW, IS IS THAT ENOUGH FOR MORE? SO SOME MODIFICATION FOR ME IS, UH, GOOD. 
          YEAH. 
          THE, THE EXISTING IS ALLOWED FOUR MAXIMUM AND THE, THE OVERLAY IS PROPOSING SIX. 
          BUT I THINK MORE BROADLY, THE QUESTION HERE IS JUST, IS IT A MORE THAN FOUR WOULD BE THE QUESTION FOR THE PUBLIC, RIGHT? DID YOU, JUST A MICROPHONE PLEASE. 
          UM, JUST, UH, LOOKING AT THE, UH, LIST THAT YOU HAVE THERE, UH, SUCH AS MAKER SPACES, COWORKING SPACES, AND LIVE WORK, UH, SHOULD YOU NOT ALSO BE INCLUDING JUST, UH, SIMPLY A APARTMENT, CONDO, UH, AND HOTEL? SINCE THOSE ARE POSSIBLE PROPOSALS, UH, SHOULD NEED TO BE INCLUDED, AT LEAST IN THE QUESTION. 
          SURE, SURE. 
          WE COULD, EXCUSE ME. 
          WE COULD DO THAT. 
          THOSE ARE GENERALLY ALLOWED ALREADY, BUT MAYBE WE COULD GIVE THEM MORE CONTEXT IN THE QUESTION. 
          UM, 'CAUSE THIS IS ABOUT TRYING TO ALLOW USES THAT AREN'T ALLOWED TO, TO, TO GIVE MORE OPTIONS, BUT GE 'CAUSE GENERALLY THOSE TYPES OF, BUT YEAH, WE COULD, WE COULD, WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I WAS PROS JUST OPENING UP THE DOOR A LITTLE BIT MORE, SAYING, WOULD WE ALLOW ALL THESE DIFFERENT TYPES OF USES OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO LIMIT IT TO THIS, THIS, OR THIS? AND ANY OTHER QUESTION, COMMENT ON THAT ONE OR, UM, WE FAVORABLY MORE OR LESS YES, YES. 
          THAT'S A, THAT'S A YES. 
          SO CAN I YES, PLEASE. 
          I, I I'M GOING TO TAKE A PASS ON THIS ONE RIGHT NOW. 
          I'M GONNA SAVE MY, I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE A MUCH MORE IN DEPTH DISCUSSION WHEN THE OVERLAY ZONING COMES BACK TO US. 
          I, I DO HAVE SOME HEARTBURN IN THAT. 
          UH, A LOT OF THE AREAS, UH, YOU HAVE NOT ALL OF 'EM, BUT A LOT OF THE AREAS YOU HAVE OUTLINED IN RED HERE ARE, UH, EXEMPT FROM PROVIDING ANY OFF STREET PARKING AT ALL. 
          AND IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING SIX STORIES WITH ZERO OFF STREET PARKING, THAT'S AN IMPACT WE REALLY NEED TO THINK ABOUT. 
          YEP. 
          UM, UH, GUAM BARNACLE. 
          YEAH, IT FEELS LIKE THERE'S, THE QUESTION AROUND LAND USE IS MORE THAN JUST AROUND HEIGHT, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, A MORE, MORE EXPANSIVE SET OF QUESTIONS ON THIS THAN JUST HEIGHT. 
          THERE'S, YOU'VE GOT THE USES IN THERE, WHICH I APPRECIATE. 
          UM, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S MASSING, THERE'S PARKING, THERE'S THINGS LIKE THAT THAT I JUST, UM, I THINK WE NEED TO BE ASKING ABOUT IN THIS SPECIFIC AREA. 
          UM, OTHERWISE WE'RE LITERALLY JUST, IT'S, YOU KNOW, LIKE THUMBS UP OR THUMBS DOWN ON HEIGHT AND THERE'S SO MUCH MORE TO, TO BE TALKING ABOUT, UM, WITH THIS AND, UM, GIVEN THE OVERLAY PROCESS IN THE MIDST OF IT RIGHT NOW, WHY IS IT NECESSARY TO ASK THIS QUESTION AT THIS TIME? IS IT DIFFERENT? UH, WE, UM, WE WANTED TO SORT OF, UM, DAYLIGHT THAT THIS CONVERSATION IS HAPPENING AND THAT THERE PROBABLY WOULD BE INTEREST IN PUBLIC COMMENT AND FEEDBACK ON THIS AREA THROUGH THIS PROCESS. 
          SO IT FELT LIKE IT WOULD BE A GAP FOR US TO NOT GIVE FOLKS AN OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN ON THIS. 
          UM, BUT WE'RE OPEN TO DIRECTION IF YOU FEEL LIKE WE, WE, WE SHOULDN'T INCLUDE THIS. 
          YEAH, I, I THINK, UM, THE WORKSHOP THIS, THIS WEEK ASKED THIS QUESTION AND, AND SO, UM, I, FOR ONE 
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WOULD LOVE THIS TO SAY, SEE OTHER PROCESS, YOU KNOW, DON'T, DON'T LOSE THE, THE, THIS AREA AS A PARK, BUT, BUT, BUT DON'T BRING, BRING IT IN. 
          COUNCILMAN BARNACLE. 
          YEAH, I, I THINK THAT ONE OF THE THINGS HERE IS WE'RE TRENDING THIS WHOLE AREA AS, AS A SINGLE AREA. 
          AND FOR, FOR, I MEAN FOR THOSE OF US WHO LIVE IN THIS TOWN, THESE ARE DIFFERENT AREAS. 
          THERE'S, UM, THERE'S VIEW SHED CONCERNS OVER ALONG WASHINGTON. 
          THERE'S THAT YOU DON'T HAVE WHEN YOU GET DOWN RIGHT ON PLUMA BOULEVARD. 
          UM, AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S A BIG GIANT VACANT LOT RIGHT ON THE CORNER OF WHATEVER THE STREET IS THERE NEXT TO, NEXT TO SEVEN 11. 
          I CAN'T REMEMBER, IS IT, IS THAT LIBERTY KE NOT KEOKUK ONE UP FROM THAT WALNUT? WHAT IS THAT ONE? BUT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, LIKE THERE COULD BE, UM, I THINK IN GENERAL THIS JUST SORT OF LENDS ITSELF TO SOMETHING MORE THAN JUST LIKE, WHAT'S THE HEIGHT OF THIS WHOLE AREA? BECAUSE THESE ARE, THESE ARE VERY DIFFERENT AREAS FOR THE PEOPLE WHO, WHO EX EXPERIENCE THIS PART OF TOWN. 
          SO I WOULD SAY BREAK THESE AREAS UP AND, AND PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, DIG IN, BUT I'M, I'M IN SUPPORT OF ASKING THE QUESTIONS. 
          BUT, UM, I THINK TREATING IT, UH, TREATING THEM AS DIFFERENT AREAS LIKE THE OVERLAY HAS, YOU KNOW, A, B AND C THAT MAY BE AN EFFECTIVE WAY. 
          HONESTLY, SOME PARTS OF C MIGHT BE BROKEN UP, UM, EVEN MORE THAN JUST THE WHOLE C THAT YOU HAVE THERE. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S MY THOUGHTS ON THIS. 
          SO, UM, I THINK WE GOT TWO, TWO, UH, DIFFERING OPINIONS ON COUNSEL. 
          I'M GONNA ASK OTHER COUNSEL TO WEIGH IN ON THIS. 
          UM, I THINK, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE YOU'RE SUGGESTING ASK THE QUESTIONS AS PART OF THIS PROCESS, REFINE IT AS A, B, C, AND I'M, UH, MORE OR LESS SAYING, LET'S JUST REFER OVER TO THE OVERLAY PROCESS. 
          ANY OTHER COUNCIL WISH TO WEIGH IN? YOU KNOW, THAT'S A TIE WITH ONLY TWO OF THOSE . 
          SOMEBODY'S GOTTA MAKE AN OPINION HERE. 
          YEAH, I, I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE A MORE IN DEPTH DISCUSSION OF THIS IN THE OVERLAY AND, AND THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN BEFORE THIS GETS FINALIZED. 
          SO I, I THINK THAT'S JUST THE WAY THINGS ARE QUEUED UP. 
          DO YOU HAVE TIME TO MODIFY THE QUESTION LISTS? UM, UH, POST, YOU WON'T ASK THESE QUESTIONS UNTIL YOU'VE CONCLUDED THE OVERLAY OR DEEP INTO, I MEAN, YEAH, WE'RE GONNA TAKE SIX TO EIGHT WEEKS TO PULL TOGETHER A BRIEFING BOOK THAT PROVIDES ALL THE CONTEXT PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND OR EVEN RESPOND TO THESE QUESTIONS IN A MEANINGFUL WAY. 
          AND SO YES, WE CAN WE'LL BY THEN HAVE THE RESULTS OF THE OVERLAY DISCUSSION. 
          AND FOR THE RECORD, I THINK THAT YOU'RE RIGHT THAT THERE'S A LOT OF THIS IS GONNA BE COVERED THROUGH THE OVERLAY PROCESS. 
          I ALSO THINK THAT IF PEOPLE COME TO PLAN FEST AND THEY DON'T GET TO COMMENT ON THIS AREA. 
          THAT'S GONNA BE A, A MISSING, A MISSING PIECE OF PLAN FEST, I GUESS. 
          OH, I, I QUITE AGREE. 
          UH, UM, SO AT PLAN FEST, WHAT WOULD THIS AREA LOOK LIKE? WILL THE QUESTION BE POSTED AT PLAN FEST? SO THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT, THE QUESTIONS ARE NOT PART OF PLAN FEST. 
          YES. 
          SORRY IF IT, THIS WASN'T CLEAR. 
          THE PLAN FEST IS FOCUSED SPECIFICALLY ON THE 13 POLICY FRAMEWORKS THAT ARE AVAILABLE AND NOT ABOUT LAND USE ALTERNATIVES OR LAND USE POLICY. 
          SO THEN WE NEED TO BACK UP JUST A LITTLE BIT. 
          WHEN YOU SAY WE'RE ASKING THE PUBLIC THESE QUESTIONS, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO ASK IN WHAT FORUM ARE YOU ASKING THE PUBLIC THESE QUESTIONS? 'CAUSE THESE LIKE REALLY LEND THEMSELVES TO LIKE A CONVERSATION, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A REAL CONSIDERATION. 
          YEAH, NO, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 
          AND, AND IT'LL BE A VARIETY OF MEANS. 
          SORRY. 
          UM, SO WORKSHOPS LARGE AND SMALL. 
          SO CITYWIDE WORKSHOPS, BUT THEN, UM, SUB AREA MEETINGS. 
          AND I LOVED THE SUGGESTION EARLIER, I FORGET WHERE IT CAME FROM OF ACTUALLY HAVING MEETINGS FOCUSED ON SOME OF THE PROPOSED 15 MINUTE CENTER. 
          SO, SO GET IN THE PLACE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING AND INVITE PEOPLE FROM THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS AND TALK ABOUT OPTIONS FOR WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE. 
          UM, TROY MENTIONED ONLINE SURVEYS. 
          THOSE CAN BE EFFECTIVE 'CAUSE THEY IN ONE PLACE CAN PROVIDE A LOT OF THE USEFUL CONTEXT, SHOW A LOT OF IMAGES HAVE A DYNAMIC COMPONENT WHERE YOU CAN SHOW LIKE WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DIFFERENT EVOLUTIONS OF INTENSITY LOOK LIKE VISUALLY. 
          UM, THERE'S JUST SOME EXAMPLES. 
          UM, BUT, BUT BA BASICALLY GIVE PEOPLE A LOT OF VISUAL, BOTH WRITTEN CONTEXT AND UNDERSTANDING AS WELL AS VISUAL CUES SO THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CHANGE THEY'RE BEING ASKED ABOUT WOULD LIKELY LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE. 
          SO THEY CAN PROVIDE AN INFORMED RESPONSE TO, TO THE QUESTIONS. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU WERE TELLING US THAT SUMMER'S PROJECT, IT'S A PROJECT FOR THE SUMMER. 
          YEAH, IT'LL BE, IT'LL BE THIS, IT'LL JUST NOT BE READY FOR PLAN FEST, BUT WE'LL BE ASKING THESE QUESTIONS AT A VARIETY OF SEPARATE WORKSHOPS AND ONLINE AND, AND IN PERHAPS THE 15 MINUTE AREA MEETINGS. 
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SO YEAH, THESE ARE LIKE THE CORE QUESTIONS THAT THE CORRECT NEEDS TO ANSWER. 
          EXACTLY. 
          EVERYBODY'S GONNA SAY YES TO VISION ZERO AND YES TO THESE, YOU KNOW, SLOWING TRAFFIC DOWN. 
          BUT LIKE, THESE ARE THE, LIKE, THE QUESTIONS THAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA, AND THEY NEED TO ASK YOU, WHY WOULD I DO THAT? RIGHT. 
          WE SEE THIS AS THE HEART OF THE NEXT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT DECISION MAKING. 
          YEAH. 
          VICE MAYOR TRIPS. 
          UH OH. 
          OKAY. 
          . 
          UM, UH, FIRST OF JUST THE, THE QUESTION IS ON THE, THE OVERLAY. 
          ARE WE DISCUSSING AND GETTING THAT ALL PLANNED AND WORKED ON EVEN BEFORE THIS, THIS SURVEY STARTS? OR IS THIS SURVEY ACTUALLY GONNA BE BEFORE WE'VE KIND OF FINALIZED THE OVERLAY? I WAS GONNA BRING THAT UP. 
          THANK YOU VICE MAYOR. 
          UM, THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT THE TIMING FOR WHEN THIS WOULD HAPPEN AND WHERE THINGS ARE IN THE PROCESS OF THE OVERLAY DISCUSSION AT A COMMUNITY LEVEL. 
          OKAY. 
          'CAUSE WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS IF WE'RE GONNA DO THE OVERLAY FIRST AND THAT THESE QUESTIONS WILL BE ANSWERED MM-HMM. 
           FIRST, SO THAT, THAT'S FINE. 
          BUT IF THIS COMES OUT FIRST AND THESE SURVEY QUESTIONS, THIS WOULD BE A HUGE GAP THAT WOULD BE NOTICED. 
          AND, AND, UH, I'D ACTUALLY INCLUDE, UH, LIKE, UH, COUNCILMAN BARNELL SAID A, B, C, BUT I ALSO INCLUDE A D, WHICH WOULD BE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF, UM, UH, WASHINGTON. 
          UH, BEFORE IT, JUST AS IT TURNS INTO BODEGA, YOU HAVE A SECTION THERE, VACANT LOT, YOU HAVE A SEVEN 11, UH, YOU HAVE AN OLD GAS STATION THAT'S NOW SOMETHING ELSE. 
          SO THERE'S LIKE THREE OR FOUR PROPERTIES COULD EASILY BE DEVELOPED RIGHT THERE. 
          SO I'D SAY MAKE IT A D UH, ALSO, AND IF, IF THIS GOES, IF THIS SURVEY GETS DONE AHEAD OF THE OVERLAY THAT BROKEN UP IN PARTS AND THEN GETTING MORE INPUT IS ALWAYS GOOD, AND THEN, THEN THAT WOULD ACTUALLY HELP THE OVERLAY QUESTIONS AS WE GOT TO IT, THEN WE'D HAVE TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE RESPONSE. 
          'CAUSE WE MAY GET A MORE RESPONSE FROM YOUR SURVEYS THAN JUST DOING THE OVERLAY. 
          I AGREE. 
          IF, IF COUNSEL AGREES THAT THAT SEEMS LIKE THE DIRECTION IT'S TIMING BASED, BUT YEP. 
          CA UM, COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON. 
          I WAS JUST QUESTIONING, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A, B, C AND POSSIBLY D UM, DO YOU TALK ABOUT THE ECONOMICS WHEN YOU'RE ASKING QUESTIONS? OR IS IT JUST WHAT LAND USE SOMEBODY WANTS TO HAVE WITHOUT KNOWING THE ECONOMICS OF THE NO, WE, WE WOULD, WE WOULD TYPICALLY PRESENT MUCH OF THE SAME INFORMATION WE'RE PROVIDED TONIGHT SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND IT FROM MULTIPLE PERSPECTIVES. 
          ECONOMIC, TRANSPORTATION, FLOODING. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND SMART STATION IS, UH, NEXT UP ON OUR LIST AND UM, I BELIEVE IT'S IN A BROADER CONTEXT OF, UM, ALL THREE PAR PARCELS THAT ARE, UH, UM, AND WHAT WERE THEY CALLED IN THE SMART STATION PLAN? UM, THERE KEYNOTE OR SOMETHING? THERE WAS A TERM FOR KEYSTONE. 
          CATALYST. 
          CATALYST. 
          THAT'S THE GREAT WORD FOR THERE. 
          AND UM, SO THE QUESTION ON THE, THE LAND USE QUESTION IS, UM, IS IT APPROPRIATE TO ALLOW MORE HEIGHT THAN CURRENT REGULATIONS? SHOULD THE CITY REQUIRE TALLER, UM, AND, UM, FOR PROJECTS NEAR SMART, SHOULD THE CITY SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE OR ELIMINATE STOREFRONT REQUIREMENTS TO INCENTIVIZE DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE? YEAH. 
          UM, COUPLE THOUGHTS HERE. 
          ONE, I'M WONDERING, I, IN THESE, I DON'T SEE THE CVS SHOPPING CENTER MENTIONED IN ANY OF THE AREA 2, 2, 2, 2 3. 
          UM, AND SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF, IF THE CVS SHOPPING CENTER IS INCLUDED AS ONE OF THESE SITES. 
          UM, SO THAT'S MY FIRST QUESTION, I GUESS IS THAT, UM, UH, DOWN ON LAKE PHIL, JUST ADJACENT RIGHT HERE, UM, YEAH, WE COULD INCLUDE THAT. 
          WE, UM, IT CURRENTLY ALLOWS I THINK FOUR STORIES. 
          SO WE COULD, WE COULD EXPAND THE, THE AREA TO INCLUDE THAT IF WE FEEL LIKE THAT'S PART OF THE DISCUSSION. 
          UM, WE JUST, UH, IT'S NOT, UM, AS EVIDENTLY OBVIOUS SORT OF RE FOR REDEVELOPMENT AS THESE THREE SITES, BUT COULD CERTAINLY BE ADDED. 
          YEAH. 
          I WOULD SUPPORT ADDING THAT JUST BECAUSE I THINK THAT PART OF THIS IS GONNA BE CONNECTING ACROSS WASHINGTON AND, AND, UM, INCORPORATING BOTH SIDES OF THE CORRIDOR IS GONNA HELP TO TRY AND CODIFY A VISION FOR THAT, THAT AREA. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING IS, IS AGAIN, I, I DON'T THINK THAT ASKING JUST ABOUT HEIGHT IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR HERE. 
          IT'S UM, LIKE, IT'S NOT THAT I SUPPORT TALLER BUILDINGS BECAUSE I LOVE TALL BUILDINGS. 
          IT'S THAT I WANT MORE PEOPLE LIVING NEXT TO TRANSIT. 
          UM, AND SO I FEEL LIKE WE'RE ASKING THESE QUESTIONS THAT ARE SORT OF LIKE TRIGGERING TO 
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A LOT OF PEOPLE ABOUT HEIGHT AND WE'RE NOT GETTING AT THE RATIONALE OF IT. 
          AND I THINK PART OF THIS IS EDUCATING THE PUBLIC ABOUT WHY MIGHT WE DO THIS? WHY MIGHT WE WANT TO INCREASE THE HEIGHT? BECAUSE THE OTHER THING IS, IS LIKE, SHOULD WE BE ENCOURAGING SMALLER UNITS AROUND THE TRAIN STATION IN A MORE OF A, YOU KNOW, AFFORDABLE BY DESIGN? THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          THERE'S SO MANY MORE QUESTIONS THAT GO INTO THIS THAT I FEEL LIKE JUST FOCUSING ON HEIGHT, IT STARTS TO, IT, IT LIKE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON IN INSTEAD OF LIKE, WHAT IS, WHAT'S THE REASON FOR IT? AND THE REASON IS WE WANT MORE PEOPLE LIVING CLOSER TO TRANSIT, UM, BECAUSE IT'S A MORE SUSTAINABLE, FINANCIALLY VIABLE FOR THE CITY, YOU KNOW, WAY TO GROW OUR, OUR CITY. 
          SO, UM, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER NOW, UM, DO WE, DO WE HAVE TO VOTE MR. MAYOR ON IF WE'RE GONNA GO PAST 11 O'CLOCK? YES. 
          YES WE DO. 
          AND, AND UH, AND I WELCOME THE MOTION. 
          I'LL MAKE THAT, I'LL SECOND THAT. 
          NOT THAT I WANT TO SECOND FROM CATER THOMPSON. 
          MAY WE HAVE A QUICK ROLL CALL? VOTE BARNACLE. 
          AYE. 
          CATER THOMPSON? YES. 
          HEALY? YES. 
          NOW YES. 
          POST. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          SHRIVES? YES. 
          MCDONALD? YES. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, WAS THAT THE QUESTION IN THE EVENING? WELL, UM, NO, UH, GOING OFF OF WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE SAID, THAT DOES MAKE SENSE. 
          THE REASON THAT WE'RE PUTTING LARGE HYPE BUILDINGS NEAR TRANSIT MAKES SENSE. 
          AND I DON'T THINK THE COMMUNITY KNOWS THAT. 
          BUT WHO DO WE WANT IN THOSE UNITS? DO WE WANT SMALLER UNITS FOR WORKFORCE OR DO WE WANNA THINK ABOUT FAMILIES? DO FAMILIES WANNA LIVE NEAR A TRANSIT? OR DO FAMILIES WANNA LIVE WHERE THEY HAVE A BACKYARD OR THEY HAVE A PARK NEXT DOOR? WHAT, WHAT DO FAMILIES WANT COMPARED TO, WHAT DID THE SINGLE WORKING PERSON WANT? SO I'M, I'M THINKING THAT WE DO NEED TO EDUCATE THE, THE COMMUNITY, BUT WE ALSO NEED TO ASK WHO'S ANSWERING THE QUESTION? IS IT A FAMILY OF FOUR OR A SINGLE PERSON COMMUTING TO THE CITY OR SAN FRANCISCO OR SAN RAFAEL? COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON. 
          OH, YOU'RE GOOD. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER HEALEY. 
          YEAH, I'D BE COMFORTABLE RETAINING THE, THE HEIGHT LIMITS AND THE OTHER SPECIFICATIONS IN THE SMART STATIONARY MASTER PLAN FOR THIS AREA. 
          UM, I DON'T SEE ANY NEED TO TINKER WITH IT. 
          UM, WE'VE HAD THAT IN PLACE FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND HAVE BEEN TRYING WITHOUT SUCCESS TO GET SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES TO REDEVELOPMENT, UH, REDEVELOP I WOULD SUPPORT, UM, EXTENDING IT INTO THE CVS, UM, CENTER. 
          AND, UM, IN TERMS OF, UM, GROUND FLOOR USES, I THINK, I THINK WE NEED TO FOCUS ON, ON GROUND FLOOR LOCATIONS WHERE RETAIL OR OTHER USES CAN BE SUCCESSFUL. 
          'CAUSE WE HAVE WAY TOO MANY VACANT GROUND FLOOR STOREFRONTS AROUND THE PERIPHERY OF DOWNTOWN BECAUSE THEY JUST ARE NOT, THEY DON'T GET THE, THE, THE FOOT TRAFFIC THAT IS NEEDED FOR THEM TO BE SUCCESSFUL. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAD ONE RIGHT ACROSS, WHAT A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET IN THE, UM, EDEN HOUSING PROJECT. 
          SO, UM, THOSE WERE MY COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND WAS, UM, THE CVS PART OF THE SMART STATION PLAN WERE, WASN'T THAT PARTIALLY INCLUDED? YES. 
          UM, THE CVS STATION IS ZONED, I BELIEVE T FIVE, UM, OR YEAH, T FIVE. 
          SO FOUR STORIES UP TO SIX. 
          WITH AN EXCEPTION. 
          WE HAD NOT INCLUDED IT AS TO WHETHER WE WOULD WANT TO ASK THE COMMUNITY TO GO BEYOND THAT. 
          SO BY NOT INCLUDING IT HERE, WE ARE SORT OF IMPLICITLY SAYING THAT THE SMART CODE STANDS FOR THE CCBS. 
          IF WE WERE TO ADD IT, WE'RE SAYING SHOULD WE INCREASE THE ALLOWABLE HEIGHT BEYOND THE FOUR SLASH SIX? YEAH, I THINK, UM, THERE'S SO MUCH CONTEXT NECESSARY. 
          THE QUESTIONS ARE KIND OF REACTIONARY AND, UM, I I, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, YOU KNOW, UM, SHALL WE HAVE HIGHER HOUSING HERE BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO SAVE THE NORTH RIVER PARCELS AND TAKE THEM OUT OF, UH, HOUSING CIRCULAR, I MEAN, MORE CONTEXT. 
          SO I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ALL THE QUESTIONS AS WRITTEN. 
          YEAH, BUT THEY'RE THE RIGHT QUESTION , RIGHT? SO LIKE, THAT COULD BE LIKE A QUESTION FOR THE NORTH RIVER AREA COULD BE WHERE, WHERE SHOULD WE ALLOCATE X HUNDRED UNITS OF HOUSING? WHERE SHOULD THEY BE DIRECTED? RIGHT? SHOULD WE PUT THEM CLOSER TO A SMART STATION? RIGHT. 
          SHOULD THEY BE THERE, RIGHT? LIKE THOSE ARE THE, THESE ARE THE TRADE OFFS. 
          LIKE THIS IS THE, THE SAUSAGE MAKING. 
          WE WANT THE COMMUNITY TO BE FORCED INTO MAKING THOSE SORTS OF TRADE OFF UN UNDERSTANDING THE TRADE-OFFS THAT ARE, THAT ARE BEING MADE IN 
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THIS PROCESS. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, FRAME THE QUESTIONS THAT WAY. 
          THAT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, VICE MAYOR SCH SHRIMPS. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST, UH, UM, UH, THE CVS IS, IS ONE THING TO ADD, BUT IF WE'RE GONNA DO THAT, THEN THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER THINGS WE NEED TO ADD. 
          AND THERE'S ONE LITTLE SECTION WE NEED TO SUBTRACT, UM, FOR THE SUBTRACTION. 
          JUST YOU HAVE A LITTLE JIG ZG CORNER RIGHT THERE, UH, RIGHT NEXT TO THE RIVER. 
          AND, UH, UM, THAT'S ACTUALLY A, A LITTLE PARK AREA. 
          I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY CITY OWNED. 
          AND THAT'S THE, THE PATH TO GET TO THE DOCK THAT'S ABOUT TO BE BUILT. 
          SO THAT'S NOT A QUESTION OF FOR DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GONNA BE, UH, A LITTLE PATH TO THE DOCK. 
          SO IF ANYTHING THAT, THAT WAS, THERE'LL BE A PLACE TO, UH, UM, BICYCLE PARK AND, UH, PUT YOUR KAYAKS IN, IN THE WATER. 
          UH, CAN I REFER YOU TO THE NEXT PAGE? I THINK ON THE NEXT PAGE IT'S NOT QUITE IN THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT YEAH, SO ANYWAY, ON THIS PAGE, IT, IT IS. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER ONES, IF WE'RE GONNA ADD IN CVS AND LOOK AT THAT SPOT, THEN WE ALSO NEED TO LOOK AT RIGHT AT THE RIVERFRONT, THERE'S THE OLD WAREHOUSES, WHICH HAVE CHANGED HANDS A COUPLE TIMES. 
          UM, AND THOSE STRUCTURES THERE, WHETHER OR NOT WE KEEP THEM AS IS, IF WE, WE NEED TO AT LEAST DISCUSS THOSE PROPERTIES. 
          AND THEN THERE'S THE VACANT LOTS, UM, THAT'S NEXT TO THE LIN PROPERTY, RIGHT NEXT TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS. 
          AND RIGHT ACROSS, THERE'S A LITTLE TRIANGLE AGAIN, IT'S VACANT AND PEOPLE PUT UP SIGNS. 
          SO IF WE'RE GONNA ASK QUESTIONS AND EACH OF THOSE WOULD'VE A DIFFERENT, MAYBE A DIFFERENT SET OF QUESTIONS FOR EACH OF THOSE LITTLE PARCELS ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE MAY WANT TO HAVE THERE. 
          'CAUSE RIGHT NOW, UM, EITHER VACANT OR OLD WAREHOUSES THAT ARE JUST, UH, HAVE BEEN REPURPOSED IN OTHER THINGS, BUT COULD BE REDEVELOP ALSO JUST LIKE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EQUI EQUALLY. 
          SO WITH REGARDS TO THOSE SMALL, UM, WATERFRONT PROPERTIES, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SORT OF FOUR ONES, RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          ALONG THE WATER THERE, THERE'S BUILDINGS THERE RIGHT NOW AND EVERYTHING. 
          UM, BUT THEY'RE ALL BASICALLY OLD WAREHOUSES. 
          GOT IT. 
          THAT HAVE BEEN CONVERTED INTO USEFUL THINGS. 
          UM, BUT THOSE ARE STILL POSSIBLE POTENTIALS. 
          IF WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT CVS, THEN, THEN DISEASE ARE SHOW OF EQUIVALENT THERE. 
          SURE. 
          UM, PLACES THAT, THAT COULD BE DONE SOMETHING WITH, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE OTHER VACANT LAWS, UM, THAT ARE STILL EXPOSED THERE ON D STREET. 
          SURE. 
          CAN I ASK SO THAT THE, THOSE ARE CURRENTLY BUILT IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAN THEY, WHAT THEY COULD BE BUILT ACCORDING TO THEIR MAXIMUM ZONING? SO THEY, THEY COULD BE FOR STORY MIXED USE. 
          SO I GUESS THE QUESTION OF THE COMMUNITY IS DO YOU WANNA ALLOW SOMETHING OTHER THAN WHAT'S CURRENTLY ALLOWED CURRENTLY? WHAT'S BEEN THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE? WHAT, WHAT WOULD LIKE TO SEE THERE? WELL, OKAY, THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT QUESTIONS, I GUESS. 
          RIGHT. 
          TWO DIFFERENT QUESTIONS I'M SEEING. 
          IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT QUESTIONS WHETHER OR NOT, UH, WE WANNA HAVE THAT PART OF A RIVER WALK AND, AND THEN TURN IT INTO SOMETHING MORE ABOUT THE CHARACTER OF THAT SPACE, CHARACTER SPACE. 
          WHAT'S, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU WANT THERE? AND ON THAT LITTLE TRIANGLE THAT, THAT'S BEEN VACANT AND EVERYONE PUTS UP THEIR SIGNS ON THE FENCE THAT USED TO BE THERE, BUT THE FENCES ARE GONE, BUT THE SIGNS ARE ABOVE, BUT THERE'S A LITTLE VACANT TRIANGLE. 
          IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD PUT THERE IN THAT LITTLE VACANT TRIANGLE RIGHT ON, ON THE, IN LAKEVILLE? UM, AND THEN, UH, I KNOW, I THINK THE, THE PROPERTY WAS JUST SOLD NEXT TO THE LIN BUILDING RIGHT THERE. 
          SO IT'D BE NICE TO KNOW WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THAT IS OR IF THERE'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THERE OKAY. 
          OR SOMETHING THAT COULD BE TURNED INTO SOMETHING. 
          WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WITH THAT? SO I, I THINK YEAH, I HEAR YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON SEEMS LIKE WE'RE KIND OF GETTING INTO THE WEEDS BECAUSE, UM, I THINK SMART OWNS THE CORNER LOT AND, YOU KNOW, AND DETERMINING, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE ON, UH, ACROSS FROM THE, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE TWO BUILDINGS ACROSS FROM THE, UM, BUS STATION? UH, YES. 
          WELL THAT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S JUST PART OF THAT, THE PLAN. 
          WELL, THOSE BUILDINGS ARE NOTED IN HERE. 
          YEAH. 
          AS PART OF THIS, THE TWO ACROSS FROM THE BUS BUILDING, THE, UM, WE'RE GRAND CENTRAL COFFEE AND, AND THE, UH, POST WELLNESS ARE NOT SHOWN IN HERE. 
          BUT, BUT FOR ME, WE'RE ASKING THE, THE PUBLIC TO TAKE A DEEP DIVE IN SOMETHING. 
          AND, AND FOR ME, I'M, I DON'T WANT TO ASK TOO MANY QUESTIONS ABOUT REPURPOSING EXISTING FUNCTIONING BUSINESS VERSUS THE THINGS THAT ARE POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, KEY, UH, CATALYST, CATALYST PROJECTS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE SMART PLAN ALREADY. 
          AND, AND SINCE CVS IS ALREADY IN THAT FIRST PLAN AND, UM, AND IS SOMEWHAT UNDERUTILIZED CURRENTLY, UM, I, I SEE A NEXUS TO ADDING CVS WHEREAS I DON'T SEE A NEXUS. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE STOP IF WE JUST KEEP WORKING OUR WAY OUT. 
          I WOULD RATHER KEEP US FOCUSED. 
          UH, THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHO ELSE WANTS TO WEIGH IN. 
          MOVE ON. 
           ONE MOTION TO MOVING ON. 
          UM, YEAH, THIS, THIS SCARES ME, FRANKLY. 
          ASKING THE, ASKING THE PUBLIC SO MUCH NUANCED QUESTION, UM, IS GONNA TAKE A, A WHOLE LOT OF, UH, STAFF SKILL, UH, UH, IN, IN THE PRESENTATIONS. 
          UH, 
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PLEASE, I JUST WANNA TAKE A MOMENT. 
          'CAUSE WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY ASKING ON A PARCEL BY PARCEL BASIS. 
          WHAT WOULD WE LIKE TO DEVELOP THERE? WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET AT IS THERE'S A EXISTING LAND USE REGULATIONS OFTENTIMES WITH U TYPES OF USES AND, YOU KNOW, INTENSITY OF DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND ARE THOSE RIGHT TO STAY AS THEY ARE? OR ARE THERE AREAS THAT WE SHOULD DECREASE THAT, OR INCREASE THAT THOSE LEVERS AND TO THE POINT MADE EARLIER BY THE MAYOR? THOSE LEVERS ARE A GOOD THING TO REPHRASE SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS BECAUSE WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO DO THE NO NET LOSS. 
          SO IT'S GOOD TO SAY, OKAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE WHACK-A-MOLE. 
          IF WE'RE GONNA BRING IT DOWN HERE, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO POP UP SOMEWHERE, THAT DISCUSSION. 
          BUT WE'RE NOT, I THINK THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FOCUSING ON A CONVERSATION ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, AN INDIVIDUAL PARCEL AND THE CURRENT USE ON THAT PARCEL. 
          AND WHAT'S THE POTENTIAL OF THAT PARCEL UNDER THE LAND USE DESIGNATION? IS THAT ME? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, SO MOVING NEXT TO HISTORICAL AGRICULTURAL SERVICES DISTRICT, UH, TWO POLICY QUESTIONS. 
          SHOULD THE CITY CHANGE REGULATIONS NOW TO ALLOW MIXED USE OR WEIGHT FOR THESE OWNERS TO APPROACH IF THE UNDERLYING REGULATIONS ARE CHANGED? HOW TALL SHOULD MIXED USE REDEVELOPMENT BE ALLOWED TO BE? ANYBODY? I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD ASK THESE QUESTIONS. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON. 
          I'D LIKE TO JUST PASS ON THAT ALSO, COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          NOW I'M JUST WONDERING WHY WE CAN'T, UM, APPROACH THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY. 
          WHY DO WE WANNA WAIT FOR THESE OWNERS TO APPROACH THE CITY? SO I DON'T LIKE THE QUESTION. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND I'M WITH YOU. 
          I, I'D RATHER NOT INVESTIGATE ANYTHING RELATED TO THIS. 
          I MEAN, JUST YEAH. 
          TAKE THIS OFF THE TAPE. 
          I DON'T WANNA ASK THE QUESTION. 
          GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, 2.4 RIVER RIVERFRONT OR RIVER PARK, SORRY, WAS THAT DIRECTION? YES. 
          DON'T, OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          FOR RIVER PARKS CANAL, THE QUESTION IS, UM, THE NEW OWNER AS INDICATED, THEY PLAN TO BUILD PARKS RIVERFRONT, TRAIL RESTORE WETLANDS AND COMMUNITY SERVING SPACES. 
          WHAT ELSE SHOULD BE DEVELOPED HERE? UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY INTEND TO USE A LOT OF THE LAND AS A, UH, UM, ENDOWMENT TO, UH, HAVE SOME CONSTRUCTION ON THE SITE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I THINK THEY'RE PROPOSING HOUSING AND WE SHOULD INDICATE HOUSING IN HERE. 
          UM, BUT I DON'T, FRANKLY, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WANT TO ASK THE QUESTION. 
          WELL, SO THIS, THIS PROPERTY IS RIVER DEPENDENT INDUSTRIAL. 
          MM-HMM. 
           IS WHAT THE LAND USE DESIGNATION IS, WHICH IS SHOULD CHANGE. 
          IT. 
          IT, SO IF, IF TO THE POINT OF WHAT, UM, THE RIVER PARK FOUNDATION, I THINK IS EXPLORING AND DOING THEIR DISCOVERY EFFORT IS MUCH MORE OF A MIXED USE LAND USE DESIGNATION THAN A RIVER DEPENDENT INDUSTRIAL, RIVER DEPENDENT INDUSTRIAL IS INDUSTRIAL USES, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH GOODS AND SERVICES COMING UP THE RIVER. 
          UM, SO LOOKING AT, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK MAYBE A A A MORE SIMPLISTIC, BUT TO THE POINT QUESTION IS, SHOULD WE CHANGE THIS TO A MIXED USE DESIGNATION TO FACILITATE, UM, HOUSING? AND, AND IS EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT? I WOULD SUPPORT THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I THINK THAT THAT'S THE LIMITED QUESTION THAT MAYBE SHOULD BE ASKED. 
          THE, THE WHOLE REASON FOR RIVER DEPENDENT INDUSTRIAL ZONING AND THE ADJACENT PARCEL RIVERFRONT USED TO HAVE THAT ZONING AS WELL, OF COURSE. 
          BUT THE WHOLE RATIONALE FOR THAT 20 YEARS AGO WAS THAT WE WERE TRAGIC TRYING TO KEEP THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS TO KEEP COMING UP HERE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THAT SHIP HAS KIND OF SAILED AND WE'RE, WE'RE MOVED ON TO OTHER THINGS. 
          SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S, THERE'S A NEED FOR RIVERFRONT DEPENDENT ANYMORE IN THE WAY THAT IT WAS INTENDED WHEN THIS WAS ESTABLISHED. 
          AND SO, I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, SO THE ASSUMPTION AND WE, UM, IS WOULD THIS BE REEVALUATED IN THE GENERAL PLAN AS A DIFFERENT LAND USE DESIGNATION? THAT'S THE MIXED USES TO BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S, WHAT'S NEXT TO IT. 
          AND WITH THAT DISCOVERY PHASE, I THINK THE RIVER FOUNDATION HAS ALREADY INITIATED. 
          WE'RE GOOD. 
          GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'RE GOOD. 
          SO WE 
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SHOULD ASK SORT OF AT A HIGHER LEVEL POLICY, SHOULD WE CHANGE TO A MIXED USE, BUT YES. 
          LEAVE IT AT THAT. 
          GREAT. 
          UM, SO NOW WE'RE IN CORRIDORS, PUM BOULEVARD NORTH, AND, UM, THE PROPOSED QUESTIONS ARE, UM, LAND USE QUESTIONS. 
          UH, WHAT CHANGES TO ALLOW LAND USE AND INTENSITY SHOULD BE EXPLORED. 
          SHOULD THE DENSITY AND HEIGHT FEATHER MOVING NORTH? SHOULD THERE BE A CONSISTENT HEIGHT? COUNCILMAN BARCO? YEAH, I FEEL LIKE THE, THE QUESTIONS HERE ARE, THEY DON'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT TRANSIT. 
          WE JUST SPENT THE FIRST PART OF THE EVENING LIKE FOCUSING ON HOW CRITICAL TRANSIT WAS GONNA BE TO THESE NEW NODES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND I THINK THAT THE QUESTIONS FOR OUR CORRIDORS ARE, SHOULD WE INTENSIFY AROUND OUR TRANSIT? UM, AND, AND SO THE, THE QUESTIONS ABOUT FEATHERING MAY FIT INTO THAT, BUT IF WE DON'T LOCATE WHERE OUR TRANSIT STOPS ARE AND FOCUS ON LIKE, GETTING THE COMMUNITY TO SAY, ARE YOU ON BOARD WITH CREATING, WHAT DO WE CALL 'EM? NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERS AND TOWN CENTERS AND TOWN CENTERS, RIGHT? WHICH IS WHAT I THINK WE WANT TO BE DOING WITH THESE, RIGHT? SO WE KIND OF SEPARATE OUT THE, THE 15 MINUTE NEIGHBORHOOD CONCEPTS FROM THE CORRIDOR CONCEPTS, BUT OUR CORRIDOR CONCEPTS AND OUR 15 MINUTE NEIGHBORHOOD CONCEPTS ARE VERY MUCH INTERTWINED. 
          AND SO TO ME THE, THE WHOLE QUESTIONS AROUND THE CORRIDOR SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON TOWN CENTERS AND NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERS AND DO, ARE, IS THE COMMUNITY ON BOARD WITH THOSE SORTS OF THINGS? UM, AND THEN PROBABLY HOW SHOULD THE, HOW SHOULD THE, YOU KNOW, THE INTENSITY FEATHER AWAY FROM THOSE, YOU KNOW, THOSE NODES. 
          BUT I THINK WE'VE GOTTA INCLUDE THOSE, LIKE WHAT THE NODES ARE ON, ON EACH OF OUR CORRIDORS. 
          AND TO C THE USING THE CORRIDORS AND THE TRANSIT ALONG THE CORRIDORS TO CONNECT THE TOWN CENTERS AND NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERS. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          I THINK IT HELPS TO PROVIDE THE VISION FOR LIKE, WHERE WE SEE TRANSIT, THE ROLE WE SEE TRANSIT PLAYING IN THE FUTURE, RIGHT? OF HAVING OUR TRANSIT LINES SHOWN ON THESE MAPS AND THE, THE STOPS AND THE THINGS LIKE THAT HELPS TO TELL THE STORY. 
          IF YOU PUT THAT IN THERE, IT'S A, IT'S A LIFESTYLE. 
          IT'S NOT JUST, DOES OUR, UH, OUR TRANSPORTATION, UM, UH, ELEMENT MAKE A BOLD STATEMENT ABOUT TRANSIT CORRIDORS? CAN YOU LEAD WITH THAT INTO THIS QUESTION? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S A LITTLE FURTHER. 
          WE'LL DEFER TO OUR TRANSPORTATION CONSULTANTS FOR THAT QUESTION. 
          HI, IT'S MATT GOING WITH HAM PIERCE SUPPORTING KELLY HERE. 
          UM, YES. 
          YES IT DOES. 
          AND THERE'S KIND OF THE, THE CORE OF THE TRANSPORTATION INTEGRATE LAND USE AND TRANSPORTATION GOAL IS TO CONCENTRATE LAND USES ALONG, YOU KNOW, HIGH QUALITY TRANSIT CORRIDORS. 
          AND SO THAT'S THE, THE, THE LOCATIONS HERE ARE ALL REALLY FOCUSED ON THAT COUNCIL MEMBER HEALEY. 
          SO THIS IS KIND OF GETTING BACK TO AN EARLIER CONVERSATION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TRANSIT ROOTS AND, UM, HEADWAYS AND WHETHER THE FUNDING SOURCES ARE GONNA ALLOW THOSE TO, UM, THOSE, THOSE HEADWAYS TO BE REDUCED IN THE FUTURE. 
          AND, UM, I I, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE PROMISING DENSITY ON TRANSIT CORRIDORS IF THERE'S NOT A REALISTIC CHANCE OF GETTING THOSE KINDS OF HEADWAYS REDUCED, THAT IT'S GONNA MAKE TRANSIT MORE, MORE USABLE FOR MORE PEOPLE. 
          UM, AND SO THAT'S KIND OF A CHICKEN OF THE EGG QUESTION. 
          PUT IT IN PETAL PARLANCE. 
          UM, SO I, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN ASK ONE QUESTION WITHOUT THE OTHER YEAH. 
          I GUESS, UM, IT GOES FOR ALL THE CORRIDORS. 
          YEAH. 
          I GUESS MAYBE, UM, WE JUST NEED TO THINK ABOUT THE TRANSIT CONTEXT A LITTLE MORE CLEARLY. 
          UM, UM, IN TERMS OF ALL OF THESE THREE CORRIDOR AND JUST CHARACTERIZE THAT AS A KEY CONSIDERATION OR, UM, YEAH. 
          AND, AND ON THIS, I DON'T, IT DOESN'T SHOW THE TOWN CENTER, IT DOESN'T SHOW THAT 15 MINUTE CONCEPT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND, UM, AND I WOULD ASSUME THAT EVEN SOONER THAN THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT, THAT THE LUCKY CENTER WILL GET A REDEVELOPMENT BEFORE ANY THESE OTHERS. 
          SO I, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT IN THAT, IN THIS PICTURE AS, UM, AS A LAND USE CHANGE. 
          YEAH. 
          WE JUST, UM, JUST FOR THE PURPOSES OF KIND OF TALKING CORRIDORS FOR CENTERS, WE SEPARATED IT, BUT WE COULD JUST UNIFY THIS WITH THE LUCKY'S. 
          IT'S THE ANCHOR OF ALL THIS DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, SO I MEAN IT'S YES. 
          GREAT. 
          UH, COUNCIL MEMBER NOW, UM, I JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT ELMA BOULEVARD NORTH IS NOT PEDESTRIAN AND BIKE SAFE. 
          AS A PERSON WHO GREW UP IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, I WATCHED IT GO FROM TWO LANES TO FOUR LANES. 
          AND AS A PERSON THAT STILL IS IN THAT AREA 
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A LOT AND YOU CANNOT WALK IT SAFELY. 
          AND AS A BICYCLIST, I WOULD NOT WANT TO BICYCLE IN THAT AREA. 
          UM, WE'VE MOVED IT ALL TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FREEWAY TO MCDOWELL. 
          SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF WE DO BUILD ANYTHING ON PEDAL MOBILE BOULEVARD SOUTH TO EXTEND THE, THE SIDEWALKS TO EXTEND THE BIKE ROUTES BECAUSE IT, THERE ARE SOME AT THE FACTORY OUTLET ENTRANCE, THERE ARE SOME AT THE NEW HOUSING UP FROM THE LUCKY SHOPPING CENTER AND THE POLICE STATION, BUT IT JUST ENDS 'CAUSE IT WAS COUNTRY. 
          SO THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , THIS DOESN'T SHOW ANY DEVELOPMENT, UM, NORTH OF PAY RAN AND WE'RE CALLING IT THE NORTH BOULEVARD CORRIDOR. 
          I MEAN, IT DOES SHOW THE ONE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET IN BRIGHT RED, BUT, UM, THAT'S STILL, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S CLOSE IN. 
          UM, THAT, IS THIS THE LIMIT OF WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE CORRIDOR? THIS IS WHAT WE PROPOSE TO GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC WITH, BUT IF WE, IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S INTEREST IN, IN ASKING ABOUT VIRTUALLY THIS WHOLE CORRIDOR, UM, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE WANNA MOVE IN, WE COULD DO THAT. 
          OR WE COULD KEEP THE AGRICULTURAL RURAL ELEMENT NORTH OF, UM, RANCHO, YOU KNOW, RANCH NORTH OF, UM, OLD MEXICO. 
          THAT'S TRUE. 
          BUT IF WE WANNA MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T SHOW ON OUR, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO DO SO. 
          NO. 
          SO YOU'RE JUST STOPPING AT RIGHT PAST THE POLICE STATION? YEAH, THERE'S A, A LITTLE BIT, THERE'S, THERE'S ONE DEVELOPMENT THERE. 
          SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO THE FACTORY OUTLETS. 
          SO LATER I THINK IT'S A LATER SLIDE. 
          YEAH. 
          AGAIN, THIS IS JUST ABOUT CHANGES IN ALLOWED DESIGNATIONS, RIGHT? SO THERE ARE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS ALL THE WAY UP THE CORRIDOR THAT ALLOW VARIOUS USES. 
          WE'RE JUST ASKING WHETHER WE WOULD LIKE TO ALLOW FOR MORE INTENSITY IN THESE LOCATION THAN IS CURRENTLY ALLOWED BECAUSE WE SAW THIS LOWER PART OF THE CORRIDOR AS MORE RIPE FOR TRANSIT INACTIVITY. 
          AS YOU START TO GO UP THE CORRIDOR, IT BECOMES INCREASINGLY UNLIKELY THAT WE'RE GONNA GENERATE A REAL WALKABLE, FRIENDLY, ACTIVE CORRIDOR. 
          GOTCHA. 
          IT JUST, IT JUST STARTS TO FADE OUT AFTER SOME POINT. 
          SO, BUT IT, AT COUNCIL'S DIRECTION, WE CAN ADD MORE OF THIS CORRIDOR. 
          SO THAT GOES ALONG WITH THE FEATHER, RIGHT? PART OF THE FEATHERING IS RIGHT AS YOU'RE KIND OF DOWNTOWN, YOU HAVE AN URBAN EXPERIENCE AND THEN THE FARTHER YOU MOVE AWAY, AT SOME POINT THAT'S NO LONGER THE CASE AND SOME POINT YOU ENTER A MORE RURAL TYPE EXPERIENCE. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M ALL RIGHT WITH THAT. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          SO THAT'S NO, NOT A DIRECTION TO GO ANY FURTHER. 
          WHAT ABOUT LIKE THE, THE HANSEL, THE HANSEL LOT, RIGHT? THAT'S A BIG LOT THAT'S SITTING THERE VACANT WITH A GIANT. 
          UM, IS IT IN JUST, THAT'S JUST, I THINK THAT'S JUST, I THINK THAT, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, THE ORANGE THAT'S AT THE TOP, ISN'T THAT? NO. 
          YEAH, THAT COULD WELL BE, YEAH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          THAT IS, I THINK THAT IS IT, IS THAT, ISN'T THAT THE, THE HANDEL? YES. 
          BECAUSE I MEAN, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE, AT THE CORNER OF PAY, IT'S SHELLING AND THEN YOU LOOK, THERE'S THE LOT FOR THE, UH, FURNITURE REPAIR PLACE. 
          THEN THERE'S THE POLICE STATION SLASH MORTUARY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND THERE'S A ROAD THERE NEXT CANCELED . 
          YEAH. 
          SO IT IS, IS LOOKING AND I, I MEAN, I THINK FOR, FOR THAT SITE IN PARTICULAR TOO, UM, IT'S, IT'S COMMERCIAL. 
          BUT SHOULD WE BE LOOKING AT THAT AS A MIXED USE ON THAT SITE, UM, TO ALLOW HOUSING A, A BIGGER VARIETY, A GREATER VARIETY OF, OF LAND USE? I THINK THAT IS THE QUESTION. 
          WHAT GREATER LAND USE? SO WELL, DOES THAT CAPTURE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING OR WELL, I MEAN THE QUESTION, WHAT CHANGES TO ALLOW LAND USE? I, I GUESS I'M ASKING A SLIGHTLY MORE SPECIFIC VERSION OF THAT ON THE, THE ONE AREA THAT IS NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, SHOULD THAT BE MODIFIED TO A MIXED USE OR, UM, A DIFFERENT LAND USE TO FACILITATE THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WE WANNA SEE THERE? IS THAT A, IS THAT MORE DRILLED DOWN THAN WE'RE DOING TONIGHT? NO, THAT'S ALREADY A IMPLICIT THIS I WOULD THINK THAT SHOULD BE A MIXED, A MIXED USE SITE THAT YEAH, THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'RE ASKING THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE BIG OR RED ORANGE PARCEL AT THE NORTH. 
          YEAH. 
          PART OF THIS LAND'S QUESTION IS, SHOULD THAT BE CHANGED? SO THAT'S ALREADY IMPLICIT IN THIS QUESTION. 
          COUNCIL SENATOR BARNICLE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, IT FEELS LIKE ONE OF THE QUESTIONS FOR THE PETA BOULEVARD NORTH CORRIDOR IS, WHERE DOES IT END? MM-HMM. 
          , RIGHT? MM-HMM . 
          SO THAT FEELS LIKE IT'S, IT'S A QUESTION WORTH ASKING. 
          'CAUSE YOU'VE GOT LIKE JOHN'S DAIRY AND POOL SUPPLY, THEN YOU'VE GOT THE ENTERPRISE RENTA CAR AND LIKE AT SOME POINT PLUM BOULEVARD BECOMES A DIVIDED ROAD. 
          MY SENSE IS THAT MIGHT BE AS, WE DEFINITELY 
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PROBABLY DON'T WANT TO GO OUT PAST THAT IS MY SENSE. 
          UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THE, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE, THE OVERHEAD RIGHT HERE. 
          THERE'S JUST A LOT OF EMPTY PARKING LOTS THAT ARE THERE THAT, UM, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S GONNA BE BUSES COMING AROUND FROM, UH, YOU KNOW, FROM THE, THE CORONA STATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT COMING DOWN PETA BOULEVARD GOING IN EITHER DIRECTION WHERE THEY, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY START PICKING PEOPLE UP. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          UM, IT FEELS LIKE THAT'S A, AN OPPORTUNITY ZONE. 
          I THINK THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION IS WHERE DOES THE CHARACTER OF THIS CORRIDOR CHANGE? I THINK THAT'S GETS AT A LOT OF THE DISCUSSION HERE THAT WE WERE HAVING. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION IN IS, IS THERE A STAFF RESPONSE TO THAT WHERE, WHERE IT SHOULD END? I MEAN, YOU MENTIONED THE ENTERPRISE RENT CAR IS THE KIND OF THE FURTHEST NORTH DEVELOPMENT THERE. 
          UM, AND WHEN YOU GO MUCH PAST THAT, UM, I BELIEVE YOU START GETTING INTO RESIDENTIAL THERE, THEY'RE LIKE, IT'S ALREADY RESIDENTIAL. 
          IT'S ALREADY RESIDENTIAL. 
          AND THE IDEA WAS THAT IS AREA, MUCH OF IT IS IN THE COUNTY. 
          SO OUR, OUR PROPERTY BOUNDARIES KIND OF GO IN AND OUT. 
          UH, AND, AND A LOT OF THAT IS, UH, COUNTY RESIDENTIAL. 
          AND SO IN THE LAST GENERAL PLAN, I THINK IT WAS ENVISIONED AS BEING WHEN IT CAME INTO THE CITY, IT BEING RESIDENTIAL. 
          UM, SO IT ALREADY HAS A, I I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT'S ALL LOW DENSITY OR LOW DENSITY AND MEDIUM DENSITY WHEN YOU GET OUT MUCH NORTH OF THERE. 
          SO ONLY INVOLVING THE COMMERCIAL STUFF. 
          DO WE WANT TO EXTEND TO THAT? IS THAT THE SUGGESTION OR ARE WE GOOD TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT PART? WELL, ARE WE GONNA EXTEND IT TO, UM, WHERE JAY AND BILLS AND THEN THE PROPERTY NEXT TO THAT IS THE RENTAL AND THEN THERE'S A CAR REPAIR STORE AFTER THAT ON THAT? YEAH. 
          ON THE EAST SIDE ON THE, THAT'S ON THE EAST SIDE. 
          YEAH. 
          HAN WELDS IS THERE. 
          AND SO WILL THAT BE BRODY IS THERE, I MEAN, WHERE'S THE ENDING ON BOTH SIDES? I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS WHERE THE ENDING IS, RIGHT? WE NEED TO ASK, ASK THE PUBLIC WHERE SHOULD IT, WHY DON'T WE ASK THE PUBLIC WHERE SHOULD IT END? GOOD QUESTION. 
          THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION FOR THE PUBLIC TO SAY LIKE, HOW FAR OUT IS TOO FAR OUT. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S SUFFICIENT DIRECTION. 
          WE CAN ASK THIS QUESTION. 
          YEAH. 
          WHICH I THINK WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH HERE. 
          I THINK WE'VE ARTICULATED THE QUICK, THE KEY QUESTION FOR THIS AREA. 
          UM, OKAY, SO THE NEXT ONE IS THE, UH, PLUM BOULEVARD SOUTH, WHICH IS D STREET TO I STREET. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UM, OH, ONE EDITORIAL NOTE, THE WORST PIECE OF NORTH BOULEVARD BIKING IS IN FRONT OF THE POLICE STATION. 
          AND YOU KNOW, THERE, YOU YOU, YOU'RE COMING INTO TOWN, THERE'S A GREAT BIKE LANE ON THE SHOULDER OF A ROAD FOR THOSE WHO CYCLE THAT WAY. 
          UM, BUT WHEN YOU HIT, WHEN YOU HIT, UM, I DON'T KNOW, I CAN'T THINK OF THE STREET NAME OF THE BACKSIDE OF THE POLICE STATION, THERE'S LIGHT, BUT WHEN YOU COME THROUGH, THEN YOU'RE IN THE LANE AND THAT'S LIKE THE WORST SHEROS IN TOWN. 
          SO, UM, I ONLY THOUGHT OF THAT BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SHEROS HERE ON SOUTH BOULEVARD D STREET TO I STREET. 
          UM, AND THE QUESTION IS, HOW SHOULD THE CORRIDOR FEEL FROM URBAN DESIGN STANDPOINT, CONSISTENT SAME HEIGHTS OR FEATHER AND DECREASE? SO THIS IS THE QUESTION THAT WOULD BE ASKED TO THE PUBLIC, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          SO ASK AWAY. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          WITH, UH, THAT MUCH COMMENT, THAT'S AN APPROVAL. 
          LET'S GO. 
          UM, , I MEAN, AGAIN, I, MY SAME COMMENT APPLIES TRANSIT CONTACT, WE'LL APPLY THAT TO EQUALLY. 
          AND THEN I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING TOO ABOUT EXISTING USES IN PARTICULAR, WE'RE GONNA GET TO IT WITH THE 15 MINUTE NEIGHBORHOOD MAYBE. 
          BUT THE BOWLING ALLEY, I THINK THERE'S, UM, I MEAN I FEEL LIKE IT'S HISTORIC FOR MY FAMILY BECAUSE I'VE BEEN HERE FOR SEVERAL GENERATIONS AND GOT SEVERAL GENERATIONS OF BOWLERS IN OUR FAMILY. 
          BUT, UM, THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE UNIQUE TO PETALUMA THAT LIKE IF YOU LOSE THEM, YOU JUST LOSE THEM. 
          UM, THINGS LIKE THAT OF LIKE SHOULD THE CITY INCENTIVIZE TRYING TO KEEP, YOU KNOW, PASSIVE RECREATIONAL USES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, ASKING THOSE TYPES OF QUESTIONS I THINK IS GOOD. 
          HELPS TO FEEL, MAKE PEOPLE FEEL LIKE AS THINGS CHANGE YOU DON'T LOSE YOUR HEART BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF HISTORY IN THERE. 
          A LOT OF, A LOT OF 300 NIGHTS . 
          OKAY, SO YOU GOOD WITH THAT? OKAY, GOOD. 
          UM, SO FOR EAST WASHINGTON STREET, THAT'S LAKEVILLE TO, UM, UH, TO THE FACT, TO THE UM, UH, TO ELLIS, I GUESS THAT IS, UM, OR A LITTLE FURTHER THE, UM, WHAT CHANGES SHOULD WE EXPLORE ON EAST WASHINGTON? SHOULD THE FIRST BLOCK MATCH THE ALLOWED INTENSITY HEIGHTS PROPOSED FOR SMART? 
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HOW DENSE SHOULD THE REST OF WASHINGTON BE? WHAT SHOULD THE CITY PRIORITIZE HERE? PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, VISUAL ENHANCEMENT, REDEVELOPMENT, AND LAND USE CHANGE? THAT'S A GREAT OPEN-ENDED QUESTION. 
          YES. 
          SO I'M, I'M FINE WITH ASKING THESE QUESTIONS AS WELL, BUT WITH RESPECT TO THIS CORRIDOR AND, AND THE PETALUMA BOULEVARD SOUTH CORRIDOR, AND I'M LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS ARE PRETTY HISTORIC, UM, AND I THINK THERE WOULD BE COMMUNITY PUSHBACK TO, UM, TAKING OUT 130 YEAR OLD BUILDINGS TO, TO, TO DO MODERN MULTI-STORY MIXED USE. 
          AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF, IF, IF THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED SPOT ZONING OR IF THERE'S SOME WAY TO ADDRESS THAT, UM, AS, AS, AS JUST MOVES FORWARD. 
          UH, WE COULD ASK A QUESTION LIKE, SHOULD WE KIND OF COMPREHENSIVE REZONE THE CORRIDOR OR TAKE A MORE SELECTIVE LOOK? WE COULD ASK THAT WAY, THAT ISSUE IN MIND. 
          YEAH, WE COULD ASK THAT QUESTION FOR INSTANCE. 
          I THINK THAT'S GOOD. 
          BARNICLE. 
          YEAH. 
          I, THE, THE EITHER OR SORT OF FRAMING ON THESE THREE QUESTIONS DOESN'T SIT WELL WITH ME. 
          IT FEELS LIKE WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DO ALL OF THEM AT THE SAME TIME, BUT I FEEL LIKE THE, THE HIGHER LEVEL QUESTION WITH EAST WASHINGTON IS WHAT SHOULD THE STREET LOOK LIKE, RIGHT? BECAUSE, UM, RIGHT NOW IT IS A PRETTY UNINSPIRED, UNSAFE STREET THAT IS CONGESTED AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, BY ALL, LIKE, IT'S, IT'S UNSAFE. 
          IT'S, IT'S A PAIN IN THE ASS TO CROSS. 
          IT'S, IT'S JUST ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU DON'T LIKE ABOUT A STREET. 
          THE QUESTION I THINK FOR THE COMMUNITY IS, IS WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SEE THE STREET BECOME? AND LIKE WE HAD THE S STAT PROCESS PROVIDED, YOU KNOW, LIKE A GRAND VISION FOR WASHINGTON STREET. 
          LIKE HOW DID THE, HOW DOES THE COMMUNITY FEEL ABOUT THAT? BECAUSE WITHOUT US MAKING A SERIOUS PUBLIC INVESTMENT IN WASHINGTON, I DON'T SEE WHY A DEVELOPER WOULD WITH ALL THOSE SMALL LOTS, IS GONNA START LIKE, INVESTING IN WASHINGTON. 
          AND SO I THINK THAT THE QUESTION IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, ARE WE SERIOUS ABOUT RE-IMAGINING WASHINGTON OR SHOULD WE, YOU KNOW, WAIT UNTIL AFTER 2050 WHEN THE OTHER CORRIDORS ARE BUILT OUT? UM, BUT LIKE, JUST ASKING THESE QUESTIONS RIGHT HERE SEEM PRETTY SURFACE LEVEL. 
          UM, AND NOT LIKE, ARE WE READY TO LIKE DIG IN ON WASHINGTON BECAUSE, AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE COMMUNITY'S AT. 
          I'M INTERESTED TO HEAR LIKE SHOW THREE, FOUR IMAGES OF WASHINGTON OF WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE, LIKE WHAT IT IS TODAY, LIKE WHAT THE SSAT PROCESS PUT FORWARD SOMETHING ELSE. 
          YOU KNOW, LIKE A COUPLE THINGS OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, HERE'S SOME DIFFERENT MAKEUPS, UM, AND JUST LET THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, DO THEIR RANKING AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          I'D BE REALLY INTERESTED TO SEE LIKE WHAT THE COMMUNITY SAYS ABOUT WASHINGTON. 
          'CAUSE I THINK THERE'S A CASE TO BE MADE FOR PUSHING, YOU KNOW, BIKE TRAFFIC OFF TO THE SIDE STREETS AND TRYING TO DO LIKE, YOU KNOW, BUS RAPID TRANSIT ON WASHINGTON. 
          I THINK THERE'S LIKE A REAL NEED TO STUDY WASHINGTON BEYOND JUST THESE THREE QUESTIONS. 
          WELL, WELL, SO DO WE EVEN REALLY WANT TO ASK A LOT OF LAND USE AROUND THIS CORRIDOR? OR IS IT MORE OF A MOBILITY DISCUSSION? 'CAUSE WHAT YOU JUST SAID WAS STREET AND NOT LAND USE, WHICH IS FINE AND MAYBE SHOULD BE THE QUESTION, BUT, UM, I MEAN, WE PUNTED IT IN THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN RIGHT NOW. 
          WASHINGTON'S BEING COMPLETELY PUNTED TO A CORRIDOR STUDY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND SO IF YOU'RE GONNA BE ENGAGING THE PUBLIC ON THESE QUESTIONS, I THINK THE MORE APPROPRIATE QUESTION IS LIKE WHAT TYPES, WHAT DO WE WANT THE STREET TO BE COME? AND IT IS MIXED USE. 
          I MEAN, IT IS MU ONE, SO IT'S, BUT IT, IT IS MIXED USE. 
          SO THERE IS SOME POTENTIAL. 
          I THINK THE HARDER, THE HARDER THING WITH REDEVELOPMENT OF THE PRIVATE PROPERTY ALONG THIS CORRIDOR IS THE SMALL SHALLOW LOTS ARE GONNA LIMIT WHAT REDEVELOPMENT IS GONNA HAPPEN UNLESS THERE IS A LOT OF BRINGING MULTIPLE PARCELS TOGETHER BY ONE PROPERTY OWNER. 
          AND EVEN THEN WITH THE, WITH THE DEPTH BEING SO SHALLOW, IT'S GONNA BE HARD. 
          SO THE, THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THIS AREA, TO YOUR POINT, COUNCIL MEMBER, IS VERY MUCH ABOUT RE-IMAGINING THE STREET. 
          OKAY. 
          SO MAYBE WE ASK THIS MORE AS A POLICY DISCUSSION AROUND THE STREET BROADLY, RATHER THAN FOCUSING ON PARCELS OR LAND USE TO TRY AND GET THIS CONVERSATION UP TO ANOTHER LEVEL OF BIGGER PICTURE THINKING. 
          AND OF COURSE SHOWING WHERE THE TRANSIT STOPS ARE. 
          I DIDN'T KNOW YOU'D SAY THAT. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER NOW. 
          UM, I RECENTLY HAD A MEETING WITH THE RELIEF COMMITTEE MEMBER AND THEY HAVE A WHOLE PROPOSAL FOR EAST WASHINGTON FOR TREE SCAPING AND MAKING IT A MORE, UM, SAFER ROUTE FOR 
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PEDESTRIAN BICYCLISTS AND CARS SO THAT PEOPLE SLOW DOWN AND THERE'S, UM, A MORE, UM, TREE SCAPE THAT EMBRACES OUR COMMUNITY AS THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A A VERY LARGE CORRIDOR COMING IN AND THEN PEOPLE ARE LEAVING TOWN. 
          BUT WE WANT TO SLOW DOWN AND WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE BICYCLISTS IN THAT AREA. 
          AND RIGHT NOW THE TREES DON'T BRING THAT FEELING OF CALM, I GUESS IS WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO PROPOSE IS A CALMING TO THAT AREA. 
          SO THEY HAVE A HUGE PROPOSAL. 
          IT'S LIKE 10 PAGES LONG. 
          WELL IT'S, IT SOUNDS LIKE, UM, A MORE BROAD AND MOBILITY STREETSCAPE FOCUSED QUESTION IS MORE APPROPRIATE HERE AND GIVE US DIRECTION IS THIS IS THE LAND USE ISSUE RATHER THAN THE TRANSPORTATION SECTION. 
          AND SO, UM, THE, THE ITEMS YOU MENTIONED ABOUT SAFETY AND, AND SLOWING AND, AND AESTHETIC, UM, PROBABLY FIT IN THE TRANSPORTATION AREA RATHER THAN IN THE LAND USE. 
          HOW DO WE GET THESE BUILDINGS TO DO A DIFFERENT THING? OKAY, I GO, IT'S THE LEVEL. 
          UM, WHERE ARE WE, WE ARE AT, UM, DID THAT FINISH THAT? YEAH. 
          AND NOW WE'RE AT 15 MINUTE NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          SAME DROVE FOR 15 MINUTE NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THE BOWLING ALLEY LAND USE QUESTIONS, HOW INTENSE AND TALL SHOULD FUTURE ACTIVITY BE? HOW MIXED SHOULD IT BE? SHOULD THE CENTER EX, SHOULD THE CENTER EXTEND EASTWARD ACROSS MCNAIR? I I THINK, UM, COUNCILMAN BARNAL SUGGESTION IS, IS THAT, UH, WE NOT ENCOURAGE A CONVERSATION ABOUT TALL OR CHANGE OR ANYTHING, RIGHT? WE COULD ASK AS, YOU KNOW, SORT OF JUST SHOULD THIS CHANGE AT ALL? UH, WE COULD, WE COULD CERTAINLY ASK THAT. 
          AND, AND, UM, UH, ON THE LAST QUESTION, EXTEND EASTWARD ACROSS MCNAIR AVENUE, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THAT WAS A, UH, PROPOSED, UM, AFFORDABLE, MIXED, AFFORDABLE, HIGH PERCENTAGE AFFORDABLE THAT WE, UH, WE COULDN'T MAKE HAPPEN 'CAUSE OF EMT. 
          SO, UM, I WOULD NEVER MIX IT IN WITH, UH, THE COMMERCIAL THAT'S THERE AND THE VETS. 
          ARE WE TALKING THE VET CENTER? MY ONE? NO, NO, NO. 
          THE VET CENTER IS THE CIVIC ONE. 
          YES, THE PURPLE CIVIC. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I'LL STAND BY MY OR COMMENTS. 
          COMMENTS. 
          ALSO, THE, THE AREA ACROSS FROM MCNAIR, UH, THAT'S R FOUR, THE, THE BROWN, YES, THERE WAS ISSUES BECAUSE OF VMT, BUT YOU START INCORPORATING TRANSIT AND IT'S NO LONGER A PROBLEM BECAUSE OF, SO IT'S, AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET A GOOD, UM, THAT SAME PROPOSAL BACK WITH, WHAT WAS IT, 30% AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN IT. 
          THAT WOULD BE GREAT IF THAT COULD, SO, SO I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I I JUST LIKE ALSO WANNA PAUSE AND MAKE SURE WE'RE THINKING WE'RE TALKING 20 YEARS AND SO IF OUR FOCUS IS TRANSIT, TRANSIT, TRANSIT, WHICH WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE HEARD THERE'S THINGS THAT CHANGE WHEN YOU INCREASE TRANSIT. 
          AND SO WE WANNA ALSO BE THINKING ABOUT LAND USE WHEN THOSE CHANGES HAPPEN. 
          UM, I ALSO WANNA JUST SAY THAT I, WE'VE HEARD SOME KIND OF CONSISTENT COMMENTS THAT I THINK WE DON'T HAVE TO REHASH WITH EVERY SINGLE ONE. 
          THAT WE WILL GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE QUESTIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE REPHRASED TO INCORPORATE THE COMMENTS THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN, UH, ON PREVIOUS SECTIONS TO MAKE SURE. 
          SO, ALRIGHT. 
          MOVING TO, UM, LEGHORNS, UM, HOW INTENSE SHOULD THE FUTURE MIX YOU SPEAK? I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THE DIRECTION ON THE BOWLING ALLEY? JUST GO AHEAD AS IS. 
          PARDON ME? UH, NO. 
          UM, NO CHANGE. 
          NO CHANGE. 
          GREAT. 
          YES. 
          JUST, JUST QUICK ON THE R FOUR, YOU KNOW, I'VE PASSED BY THAT PROPERTY AND I THINK THAT THERE'S SOME HEAVY VEGETATION YOU CAN'T QUITE SEE IT. 
          UM, SO I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT'S THERE. 
          UM, SO YOU BETTER, UH, SO I RECOMMEND YOU ACTUALLY HAVE SOME SATELLITE OR SOMETHING TO SHOW 'CAUSE PEOPLE WOULD NOT HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S ACTUALLY THERE RIGHT NOW. 
          THANKS. 
          CAN I, UM, IS THE VAR IN OUR PROPOSAL STILL UP ON OUR WEBPAGE? I, I DON'T KNOW THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WE CAN LINK YOU TO THE PLANNING, UH, DOCUMENTS THAT, FOR THAT SITE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, LEGHORNS, DO WE WANT TO SUGGEST THAT LEGHORNS CHANGES OR IS IT FINE AS IT IS? QUESTION? YEAH, I'LL GIVE MY CHANGE. 
          PUT OLIVER'S THERE AND IT'LL BE AT SUCCESSFUL CENTER. 
          I, I, I, I'M HEARING PROCEED WITH THE QUESTION AS IS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, AND THEN, UH, CASA GRANDE, HOW INTENSE ARE THESE 
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QUESTIONS? FINE. 
          I THINK THE QUESTION SHOULD ALSO BE, UM, DO YOU WANT TO HAVE A 15 MINUTE TOWN CENTER AT THIS LO I MEAN CONTEXT QUESTION. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER NOW? YEAH. 
          UM, MR. MAYOR THAT WE, YOU JUST HIT THE HIT ON THE HEAD. 
          THE, UM, DO WE, DO WE WANT THAT LOCATION CASA GRANDE OR ANOTHER EXISTING SHOPPING CENTER AT MCDOWELL IN LAKEVILLE OR MCDOWELL AND CASA GRANDE? THERE'S ALREADY SHOPPING CENTERS ESTABLISHED. 
          YEAH, THIS WE HEARD THAT LOUD AND CLEAR EARLIER. 
          YEAH. 
          THIS COULD BE ABOUT THE CENTERE VERSUS THE OTHER. 
          SHOULD WE, IF PEOPLE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD COME, CAN WE ASK THEM IF THEY'D RATHER SEE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE? YEAH. 
          . 
          SURE. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, WE COULD ASK, UM, YOU KNOW, WHICH CENTER DO YOU THINK SHOULD BE PRIORITIZED? THE CASA GRANDE CENTER OR THE MCDOWELL ONE? WE COULD ASK THAT FOR SURE. 
          RIGHT? 'CAUSE THAT'S NOT EVEN ON THE MAP. 
          YEAH, WE COULD ASK IT THAT WAY AS A SORT OF A A WHICH, WHERE SHOULD THIS NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER BE? YEAH, YEAH. 
          LIKE DYLAN MCDOWELL IS THE OTHER ONE. 
          UM, THE THING I WOULD ADD, ADD IN THERE FOR THE, FOR THAT PROPERTY IS A MORE OF A GENERAL QUESTION. 
          WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THERE? WHAT DO YOU THINK COULD BE BUILT THERE? UH, WHAT COULD BE MOST USEFUL THERE? SO A LITTLE BIT MORE GENERAL, UH, HIGHER END, UH, WESTERN AND BAKER. 
          THE CREAMERY PROPERTY. 
          I I GUESS THIS IS SUPPOSEDLY THE CREAMERY IS, UM, PLANT IS GOING AWAY OR DOES THIS INCLUDE, DOES THIS JUST A LONG TERM IT COULD ACCOMMODATE POTENTIAL CHANGE TO THE CREAMERY. 
          I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, UM, SHOULD THIS DEVELOP INTO SOMETHING DIFFERENT OR SHOULD THIS SORT OF EXPAND UPON WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE? I GUESS MAYBE IS IS THE, THE THRUST OF THE QUESTION. 
          I'M GOOD WITH THAT. 
          GOOD CITY HALL AND SCHOOL DISTRICT OFFICE. 
          SHOULD THE CITY WORK WITH THE SCHOOL TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY IN A FOUR AND FIVE STORY VERTICAL MIXED UNIT, MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER. 
          SHOULD THE CITY SEEK TO RELOCATE CITY HALL COUNCILOR HEALEY? UH, I'M FINE WITH THE FIRST QUESTION. 
          I WOULD NOT ASK THE SECOND QUESTION BECAUSE REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE PUBLIC THINKS ON THAT, THAT'S NEVER GONNA RISE TO A PRIORITY THAT WE CAN FUND GIVEN OUR OTHER GAPING FUNDING SHORTAGES. 
          UM, ESPECIALLY ON PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          UM, SO I I I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S REALISTIC TO EVEN ASK THAT QUESTION. 
          VICE MAYOR. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING I WANT TO MAKE SURE IS BEFORE YOU EVEN START, UM, JUST TALK TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, UM, THEY'RE EXPANDING OUT. 
          I KNOW THE PEF OFFICE IS GONNA BE MOVED OUT AND THEY'RE GONNA EXPAND INTO THAT AREA AND IT'S A REASONABLY, UM, PRICED PROPERTY FOR THEM TO BE ON. 
          UM, SO WE'RE ASKING THEM, OH, DO YOU WANT MOVE? AND ARE THEY EVEN CONSIDERING MOVING? UM, AND WHERE WOULD THEY MOVE TO? 'CAUSE IT WOULD BE A WHOLE LOT MORE EXPENSIVE FOR THEM TO MOVE ANYWHERE UNLESS YOU SAY, OH, WE'LL, WE'LL WE'LL OPEN UP KMART FOR YOU AND WON'T YOU MOVE THERE? 'CAUSE THERE'S PLENTY OF SPACE, UM, THERE FOR YOU. 
          SO UNLESS YOU'RE GIVEN ALL, UNLESS YOU TALK TO THE FOLKS THAT ARE THERE, INCLUDING EVEN CITY HALL, WHERE WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE AND WHERE COULD, COULD YOU BE? AND UH, UH, HOW, WHAT, HOW WILLING WOULD YOU BE TO, TO PUT THE EFFORT INTO DOING IT? 'CAUSE OTHERWISE, I I WHY ARE WE BOTHERING THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WITH, WITH EVEN THIS QUESTION? WELL, YEAH. 
          IT SOUNDS LIKE BOTH OF THESE MAY NOT BE QUESTIONED FOR THE PUBLIC, BUT RATHER JUST CITY NOT AT THIS TIME. 
          STAFF QUESTIONS. 
          NOT UNLESS YOU ASK THEM FIRST. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER BARNICLE TAKING BOTH OFF. 
          I THINK THEY'RE BOTH INTERESTING QUESTIONS. 
          UM, I THINK THAT, BUT THEY'RE WAY MORE COMPLEX THAN THESE TWO QUESTIONS HERE. 
          AND THEY AGREED WITH WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER SHOULD SAID THAT, UM, TO BE ASKING THESE SORTS OF QUESTIONS. 
          LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS THAT NEED TO BE HAD BETWEEN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE CITY BEFORE WE TAKE THESE SORTS OF THINGS TO THE PUBLIC. 
          AND UM, OUR HOUSING ELEMENT DOESN'T CALL FOR THESE SITES IN, IN ANYWAY. 
          AND YOU DON'T WANT TO BE THE ONE WHO KILLED KENNY. 
          YEAH. 
          THESE ARE NOT, UH, PIPELINE SITES OR OPPORTUNITY SITES. 
          SO WE WILL NOT ASK ABOUT THESE TWO SITES. 
          OKAY. 
          THE LUCKY'S SITE. 
          THE QUESTION IS HOW INTENSE IS THAT A GOOD FAIR QUESTION? EVERYBODY GOOD? THE OUTLETS? SORRY. 
          I HEARD EARLIER WE WANTED TO COMBINE THIS WITH THE BOULEVARD. 
          SHOULD WE STILL ASK ABOUT THIS SEPARATELY, BUT JUST ASK IT IN THE CONTEXT OF THE COURT OF THE CORRIDOR? 
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I THINK YOU, I THINK YOU HAVE TO SHOW THAT THEY'RE BOTH INTERLOCKED, BUT YOU CAN ASK THE QUESTION SEPARATELY. 
          'CAUSE THE CORRIDOR RUNS FROM WASHINGTON. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL THE WAY TO PARENTS. 
          SEPARATE QUESTIONS, BUT SAME CONTEXT, SAME DISCUSSION. 
          GREAT. 
          THANKS. 
          THE, UM, OUTLETS, WHAT SHOULD THE FUTURE OF THE OUTLETS BE? GOOD, BROAD OPEN QUESTION. 
          PEOPLE FEEL ENGAGED WHEN YOU ASK 'EM THAT QUESTION LOOKS GOOD. 
          COUNCILOR BARNAL, I THINK THAT THIS QUESTION COULD BE REALLY WELL ASKED, UH, IN THE CONTEXT OF QUESTION AREA ONE, RIGHT? LIKE IT'S, IT'S ADJACENT TO ALL THIS LAND THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW. 
          PROTECTING, LIKE WHAT IS A GOOD USE FOR IT IF IT'S GONNA BE PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE AND THINGS LIKE THAT? UM, COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL CENTERS, UH, UM, PLAZA NORTH SOUTH IN ORDER TO PROMOTE THE FUTURE TRANSFORMATION OF SHOPPING MALLS TO 15 MINUTE GATHERING PLACES. 
          SHOULD THE CITY ALLOW STANDALONE RESIDENTIAL, TALLER MIXED USE? GOOD QUESTION. 
          GOOD EXPLORATION OF COMMUNITY VALUES. 
          EVERYBODY THUMBS UP. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          AND THEN, UH, BEING ENCHILADA, THE POTENTIAL CORONA STATION UGB EXPANSION, THE PUBLIC POLICY QUESTIONS ARE PLURAL. 
          IF THE BALLOT MEASURE APPROVED, HOW INTENSE SHOULD THE NEW RESIDENTIAL OR MIXED USE BE? SHOULD CORONA UGB INCLUDE A SIGNIFICANT JOBS COMPONENT? IF THE UGB HAS EXPANDED IN THE FUTURE NEAR CORONA, WHAT SHOULD THE CHARACTER INTENSITY OF THE LAND USES A LONG NEARBY MCDOWELL BE? I THINK THAT'S BROAD AND AND APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA. 
          I JUST DON'T SEE WHY WE'RE TAKING THIS TO, TO, UM, TO THE PUBLIC. 
          UM, ARE WE TIPPING OUR, I'M SORRY. 
          UM, ARE WE TIPPING OUR HAND AS TO WHAT THE UGB PROPOSAL WILL BE FOR THE BALLOT? DO WE, IS THIS, WILL THIS ARISE AFTER WE'VE CODIFIED OUR UGB BALLOT ISSUE? MM-HMM. 
          , I MEAN, IF WE'RE TALKING JULY, UH, AUGUST, WHEN WILL WE HAVE OUR UGB CONVERSATION? WE'RE HAVING OUR UUGB CONVERSATION IN JUNE. 
          SO, UH, BUT WE'VE ALSO HAD THAT INITIALLY IN, IN JANUARY, SO WE KNOW WHERE OUR CONVERSATION IS HEADING. 
          IT WILL COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL IN JUNE AFTER BEING AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN MAY. 
          AND WE'LL THEN GET SUBMITTED TO THE COUNTY TO GO ON THE BALLOT IN AUGUST TO BE ON THE BALLOT IN NOVEMBER. 
          UM, SO I MEAN THERE, THERE WE, WE COULD JUST HAVE A, A LAND USE POLICY PROGRAM THAT PUNTS THIS TO THE SPECIFIC PLAN AND HAS SOMETHING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UH, LOOKING AT THIS AREA AS PART OF A SPECIFIC PLAN THAT WE HAVE GRANT MONEY TO DO, OR WE CAN TRY TO GET SOME FEEDBACK AS PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN THAT THEN INFORMS THAT SPECIFIC PLAN EFFORT. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE, I MEAN, I'M, I'M FINE WITH IT. 
          IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN ASK RIGHT NOW THAT WE WOULDN'T, THAT WOULD INFORM THE SPECIFIC PLAN PROCESS. 
          I JUST CAN'T, LIKE I'M STRUGGLING TO SEE WHAT WE WOULD LIKE, HOW, WHAT WE ASK IN THE, LIKE I DON'T, I DON'T SEE A, WELL, MAYBE WE WOULD CHANGE THE SURROUNDING LAND USES OR SOMETHING. 
          SO YEAH, GO FOR IT. 
          OKAY. 
          VICE MAYOR. 
          UM, YEAH, BUT THIS PARTICULAR AREA, THERE'S UH, LOOKS LIKE THERE'S LOTS OF STRUCTURES AND THINGS ALREADY THERE. 
          MAYBE I'M UH, MISTAKEN ON THAT, BUT, UM, IF YOU'VE GOT MCDOWELL THERE, UM, THE, YOU HAVE THE POST OFFICE AND OTHER THINGS, UH, BUILDINGS ALL ALONG IN THIS AREA, UH, AND LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF PARKING IN THE BACK, IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE BEFORE YOU GET THE AREA. 
          UM, ARE THESE THE FOLKS THAT ARE, THAT WE'RE ASKING TO CHANGE, UM, THEREFORE THIS, THIS AREA'S ALREADY DEVELOPED LOOKS LIKE, AND YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE AREA SORT OF ALONG MCDOWELL ON BOTH SIDES. 
          UH, YES. 
          IS SHOWN IN THIS MAP HERE ON BOTH SIDES OF, OF MCDOWELL, UM, THAT THERE'S A LOT OF BUILDINGS AND STRUCTURES INDUSTRIAL AREA THERE ALREADY. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          SO SO WE'RE WE'RE ASKING THEM TO, TO CHANGE NOW, RIGHT? NO, NO, NO. 
          SO JUST, JUST TO BACK UP AGAIN, WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS WOULD WE ALLOW POTENTIALLY, OR CHANGE THE ALLOWABLE USES IN THIS AREA? NOT THAT WE'RE FORCING THESE FOLKS TO CHANGE, BUT THEY'RE CURRENTLY ALLOWED TO DO ESSENTIALLY SORT OF LOW SCALE, UM, OFFICE AND FLEX AND PDR. 
          SHOULD WE ALLOW SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO BE DEVELOPED THERE? IF IN THE FUTURE THESE OWNERS WISH TO DEVELOP SOMETHING DIFFERENT? 
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SO ARE WE REALLY ASKING OR DO WE WANNA PUT HIGH RISES ON THESE SPOTS? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE REALLY ASKING? WELL, THE QUESTION HERE IS WHAT SHOULD BE THE CHA WE COULD ASK THAT, BUT THE QUESTION IS WRITTEN MORE BROADLY, WHICH IS JUST SAYING WHAT SHOULD BE THE CHARACTER OF THIS AREA? WHAT A SUBSET OF THE QUESTION COULD BE, SHOULD WE ALLOW RESIDENTIAL? BUT WE'RE WE HAVE IT WRITTEN MORE BROADLY TO SORT OF TEE UP THE SPECIFIC PLAN. 
          YEAH, SO I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION AS FAR AS HOW IT WOULD BE APPLIED AND WHAT, HOW I WOULD ANSWER IT. 
          I SAYS IT'S ALREADY, YOU ALREADY HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF THERE. 
          IT'S ALREADY INDUSTRIAL, IT'S ALREADY GOT A LOT OF BUSINESSES GOING. 
          WHAT ARE WE REALLY ASKING? WHAT ARE WE REALLY SAYING IN THIS AREA? WELL, SO IF IN THE FUTURE WE WERE TO EXPAND THE UGB AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE MOVE THERE, THEY MIGHT BE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN AN A SORT OF A LOW SCALE OFFICE PARK. 
          THEY MIGHT BE LOOKING FOR SERVICES, THEY MIGHT BE LOOKING FOR RETAIL, THEY MIGHT BE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN WALK TO OR DRIVE TO. 
          SO THE PRESENCE OF THE UGB EXPANSION WOULD CHANGE THE CALCULUS OF PEOPLE THAT OWN THAT LAND. 
          AND IT WOULD CHANGE DEPENDING ON THE CHARACTER AND THE TIMING OF THE UGB DEVELOPMENT. 
          BUT WE JUST SEE THAT IT, IT WOULD BE LIKELY TO BE INFLUENCED BY WHAT HAPPENS IN CORONA. 
          I I COULD SEE THIS AS A, UM, MISUNDERSTOOD QUESTION AND, UH, PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTANDING EXACTLY WHY YOU'RE ASKING AND WHAT YOUR INFORMATION OR SUGGESTING, UH, HAPPENED HERE. 
          SO UNLESS YOU PREEMPT IT, UH, WITH WHAT YOU JUST SAID, OR WE MAY, IF WE'RE COULD PUT OUT HOW MANY THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE NEXT DOOR, HOW COULD, COULD WE DO THIS, THIS, AND THIS? WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO DO THAT? YOU HAVE TO GIVE THEM SOMETHING THAT LOOK AT, WE JUST, IT JUST FEELS, UH, BOGGLES ME AS TO WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE WE SAYING AND WHAT ARE WE ASKING FOR? COUNCILMAN BARNICLE, JUST REMOVE THE MENTION OF THE UGB. 
          JUST SAY LIKE, WHAT SHOULD BE THE CHARACTER AND INTENSITY OF LAND USES ALONG THE NEARBY PORTION OF NORTH MCDOWELL BOULEVARD? BECAUSE IF THE UGB IS EXPANDED IN THE FUTURE NEAR CORONA STATION, THAT'S LIKE, THAT DOESN'T, LIKE, THOSE ARE TWO SEPARATE THINGS. 
          IT DOESN'T, LIKE IF IT'S NOT EXPANDED OR IF, IF THE UGB ISN'T EXPANDED. 
          IF IT IS EXPANDED, IT DOESN'T MATTER. 
          LIKE THE QUESTION IS, IS RIGHT NOW WITH, WITH THE LAND THAT IS INSIDE THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY THAT IS AROUND THE CURRENT, THE SECOND SMART STATION, WHAT SHOULD THAT, LIKE, SHOULD THAT CHANGE? SO JUST ELIMINATE ALL THE PART ABOUT THE UGB AND JUST FOCUS ON THE LAND THAT'S CURRENTLY WITHIN THE UGB. 
          AND I WOULD CONCUR WITH THAT AND, AND I WOULD ASK THE GRAPHICS LOOK COMPLIMENTARY SO YOU CAN TELL PART A, YOU KNOW, HOW THEY FIT RATHER THAN ONE ONE'S, UH, ONE'S A PARCEL MAP AND ONE'S AN AERIAL, YOU KNOW, MAKE 'EM LOOK LIKE THEY STITCHED TOGETHER. 
          HOW ARE WE DOING? ARE WE THERE? WE GET THE FINISH LINE AND UM, SO DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS YOU NEED TO ASK? HOW'S, HOW'S THE DIRECTION WE GET, GIVE ENOUGH DIRECTION TODAY? COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY. 
          YEAH, THE CITY ATTORNEY HAD A HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENT. 
          HE WAS GONNA REPORT BACK TO HER. 
          IF I MAY, I'D LIKE AN EXTENSION OF MY HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENT, UM,  BECAUSE I'VE DONE AS MUCH WORK ON IT AS I CAN TONIGHT AND I, I NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION, UH, PROMISED YOU BACK TOMORROW IF I NEED TO CONNECT WITH MY STAFF COLLEAGUES TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE EVENT THAT I'M NOT OVERCOMPLICATING THINGS NECESSARILY, UM, ET CETERA. 
          BUT I'M, I'M READY TO GET, GET YOU SOMETHING PROMPTLY TOMORROW. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK, BECAUSE I'VE REALLY LOOKED AT ALL THE CASES AND THE ANNOTATIONS, ET CETERA. 
          TONIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. BARN. 
          MR. ARE WE COMMENTING ON THE GOALS? THE GOAL ONE AND GOAL TWO? SO I DEFINITELY HAVE SOME THOUGHTS ABOUT THOSE TOO. 
          YOU TALKED, THERE WAS ONE ABOUT MISSING MIDDLE. 
          THERE WAS ONE ABOUT LIKE, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE OTHER ONES WERE, BUT YEAH. 
          , CAN YOU GIVE, UH, DO WE HAVE A SLIDE REFERENCE FOR THIS? UH, THEY'RE NOT IN, IN THIS PACKAGE. 
          MR. MAYOR? YES, I DID WANNA MENTION, WE GOT TWO PUBLIC COMMENTS, UH, CARDS, UH, DURING THAT TIME. 
          SO WE WANNA REMEMBER YOU WHILE, WHILE WE'RE, UH, HUNTING FOR THE SLIDE, UM, LET'S, UH, OPEN PUBLIC COMMENTS ON, UH, THE DIALOGUE. 
          DIALOGUE WE JUST HAD. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND THANK YOU FOR STAYING WITH US. 
          UM, SO WE HAVE DWAYNE BELLINGER TO BE FOLLOWED BY VERONICA OLSON. 
          AND, AND I REALLY DO APPRECIATE YOU GUYS STAYING HERE. 
          IT'S AMAZING. 
          YEAH. 
          DWAYNE HERE I WAS JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK COMMENTS. 
          I THOUGHT, UM, UH, FIRST OF ALL ON THE QUESTION OF THE, UM, CASA GRANDE VERSUS MCDOWELL, UM, UH, UM, UH, 15 MINUTE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, IT WOULD BE NICE IF THE, UH, LISTED THE NUMBER OF HOUSES SURROUNDING EACH, UH, ASSUME THAT THE MCDOWELL AREA DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH, UH, HOUSING TO SUPPORT THE MARKET, IS THE REASON IT'S NO LONGER A MARKET, UH, THAT'S SITE. 
          AND SO JUST THE NUMBER OF HOUSES WITHIN THE CIRCLE WOULD BE A NICE TO INCLUDE IN A QUESTION. 
          AND THE 
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OTHER ONE THAT I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL, UH, WOULD BE IF, IF PEOPLE ARE CHOOSING TO SUPPORT, UH, 15 MINUTE NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU'D HAVE A COUPLE DIFFERENT TYPES OF PEOPLE. 
          UM, SOME THAT WOULD WANNA BE, UM, UM, UH, YOUNG PEOPLE WITH MULTIPLE, WITH, WITH, UM, CHILDREN AND THAT KIND OF THING. 
          AND THEY WOULD WANNA BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE MAP, YOUR 15 MINUTE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SEE WHERE THE SCHOOLS ARE, WHETHER THE SCHOOLS ARE WALKABLE, THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS. 
          AND SO EACH OF YOUR MAPS SHOULD, SHOULD SHOW THE WHERE THE SCHOOLS ARE. 
          AND, UH, IF PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF HAVE OBVIOUSLY, UM, INTERESTED IN TRADING DOWN FROM A THREE BEDROOM, TWO BATH, AND TWO, UH, UH, A LITTLE, UH, UH, ONE BEDROOM APARTMENT, UH, WOULD BE AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT GROUP AND WOULDN'T BE, UH, INTERESTED IN BUYING A PLACE THAT'S NECESSARILY, UH, ACROSS FROM AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. 
          ANYWAY, I THOUGHT THOSE TWO THINGS ARE, UM, UH, RELEVANT TO IMPROVING YOUR, YOUR PROJECT FOR TONIGHT. 
          UM, THE LAST COMMENT THOUGH, ABOUT THE, UH, CORONA AREA, UM, I'VE COMPLETELY BAFFLED ABOUT WHAT WAS SAID AND, AND DON'T KNOW HOW TO, UH, COMMENT ON IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERONICA OLSON TO BE FOLLOWED BY DARREN KUEN. 
          I JUST WANNA APOLOGIZE FOR MAKING A COMMENT SO LATE 'CAUSE I KNOW EVERYONE WANTS TO GO HOME. 
          SO THANKS FOR LISTENING. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I JUST TOOK SOME NOTES ON THE, THE UGB SECTION. 
          I NOTICED THAT THE HALF MILE RADIUS ALSO INCORPORATED THE RIVER, SO I WANTED TO KNOW, UM, OUR, OUR IDEA OF GETTING OFF THE RIVER AND THEN WE HAVE THE UGB CIRCLE THAT ALSO TOUCHES THAT. 
          SO I WANTED TO JUST BRING THAT UP. 
          UM, AND I NOTICED THAT WE HAD, UM, LIKE THE CITY TALKS ABOUT OUR HISTORIC DOWNTOWN. 
          WE HAVE MENTION OF IT IN ALL OF OUR CITY DOCUMENTS AND EVERYTHING. 
          AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT AS TO DOWNTOWN AND OR HISTORIC DOWNTOWN OR WHATEVER WE'RE CALLING IT. 
          I JUST THINK WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, IT HAS TO BE THE SAME EVERYWHERE. 
          AND I WOULD SAY HISTORIC BECAUSE IT IS HISTORIC DOWNTOWN. 
          I MEAN, IT'S EVEN SAYS ON ALL OF OUR SIGNAGE AND EVERYTHING. 
          SO I THINK OUR NAMING OF THINGS COULD, YOU KNOW, BE CONSISTENT FOR THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          AND ACTUALLY WHEN PEOPLE ARE ASKING ABOUT DOWNTOWN, THEY WANNA HAVE SOME IDEA THAT THAT'S BEING REPRESENTED. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S PART OF OUR CULTURE. 
          IF YOU GO BACK TO OUR VISION, HISTORIC TOWN IS PART OF OUR VISION. 
          SO THE OTHER PART IS THAT WE ARE SELF-RELIANT, THAT WE ARE ECONOMICALLY VIABLE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. 
          SO, UM, INCLUDING THAT. 
          UM, AND THEN I REALLY FEEL LIKE BECAUSE THE DOWNTOWN HAS SO MUCH HISTORY AND, AND IT'S A DISTRICT, IT COULD ALSO EVEN WARRANT ITS OWN CHARETTE TO ACTUALLY FIGURE OUT THE LAND USE IN THAT AREA. 
          AND THEN THERE'S A SAYING THAT IF YOU FIX THE STREET AND YOU DO HUMAN SCALE DEVELOPMENT, YOU'LL GET PEOPLE TO WALK AND BIKE. 
          SO I THINK JUST KEEPING THAT IN MIND WHEN WE'RE TALKING ALL THE TIME, THAT IT'S NOT THE STREET AND LAND USE, IT'S THEY, THEY GO TOGETHER. 
          IT'S VERY MUCH IMPORTANT. 
          AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THE S STAT WAS TRYING TO SAY IS, YOU KNOW, LIVING STREETS AND, AND OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, THEY HAVE TO BE, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT OUR CONNECTIVITY AND OUR SENSE OF PLACE. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING WAS, UM, THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT IS FOCUSED ON, BUT OUR OTHER, OTHER OPTIONS IN LAND USE. 
          LIKE, I KNOW WE HAVE OPEN SPACE, BUT EVEN WHEN WE'RE TALKING TO THE COMMUNITY, LIKE WHAT AREAS IN THIS 15 MINUTE AREA, WHAT ARE GOING TO BE OPEN SPACE OR COMMUNITY SPACE IS ALSO IMPORTANT TO ASK THE COMMUNITY. 
          'CAUSE I THINK WE HAVE TO PICK THOSE BEFORE WE START BUILDING. 
          UM, BECAUSE ONCE WE, IF WE DON'T DESIGNATE THEM ON EARLY ON, THEN THERE WILL BECOME BUILT ENVIRONMENT, MUCH LIKE SOUTH PETALUMA BOULEVARD WHERE IT'S, THERE'S NOT MUCH COMMUNITY SPACE THERE. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU DARREN KUSON. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I JUST WANNA, I'M GONNA END UP ECHOING SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS, BUT YOU KNOW, I HAVE WRITTEN HERE THAT IMPROVING STREET DESIGN, WALKABILITY, AESTHETICS OF OUR MAJOR BOULEVARDS AND STREET FRONTS IS A LONG-TERM INVESTMENT TO INCENTIVIZE INFILL DEVELOPMENTS IN AREA, LIKE IN AREAS LIKE EAST WASHINGTON. 
          SO WHEN I SAW AREA 3.3 AND WE STARTED DEBATING STREETSCAPES, IMPROVING THAT KIND OF CIVIC INFRASTRUCTURE TO INCENTIVIZE DEVELOPMENT, UH, AND THERE WAS A DISCUSSION OF, WELL, IT'S NOT REALLY ABOUT THAT, BUT IT WAS IN THE, THE QUESTION POLICY OPTIONS A, B, AND C. 
          A AND B WERE BOTH ABOUT IMPROVING PEDESTRIAN AND BIKE ACCESS. 
          AND THEN B WAS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT BEAUTIFYING THE STREET. 
          AND IN OUR PLANNING COMMISSION DISCUSSION ON POLICY NUMBER A, B, AND C, I ASKED TROY AND UH, RON SAYING, YOU KNOW, DON'T A AND B BEGAT CI MEAN, IF WE INVEST IN A AND B, DON'T WE EVENTUALLY GET THOSE EXCITING INFILL DEVELOPMENTS? AND THE THE 
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RESPONSE WAS, YOU COULD ARGUE THAT. 
          YOU COULD ARGUE THAT'S KIND OF SEQUENTIALLY HOW IT HAPPENS. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. 
          AS MUCH AS WE'RE PLANNING LAND, USE THAT CIVIC INFRASTRUCTURE PIECE, IT'S MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE THAN ZONING OR SOME OF THESE OTHER CHANGES. 
          AND YOU COULD ARGUE WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THE BUDGET. 
          WHAT'S THE SCOPE? WHERE DOES THAT CONVERSATION END? BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER. 
          UH, AND THEN IN THIS PIECE ABOUT CONTEXT AND KIND OF FRAMING OUR DESIRED, UH, I HAVE IT WRITTEN HERE AS DESIRED OUTCOMES FOR SOME OF THESE SCENARIOS. 
          YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY WHAT ARE OUR DESIRED OUTCOMES? IS A CERTAIN NUMBER OF HOUSING UNITS. 
          IT IS A, IS IT A CERTAIN LIVED EXPERIENCE? AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WOULD FIT, BUT I ALSO THOUGHT OF SOMEHOW THE FEASIBILITY. 
          'CAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THESE PRETTY DRASTIC SITE TRANSITIONS. 
          AND IF WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE ANY INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT IS THE FEASIBILITY, WHAT ARE THE BARRIERS TO THAT CURRENTLY, IT WOULD HELP US DIFFERENTIATE SOME OF THESE ZONES LIKE A CERTAIN SHOPPING CENTER VERSUS, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE ROBUST OR BUILT OUT. 
          I MEAN, WHAT WOULD SOME OF THESE DIFFERENCES BE IN FEASIBILITY OF REACHING THOSE OUTCOMES? UH, AND THEN FINALLY, YOU KNOW, THIS PIECE, I, I DON'T KNOW IF IT FITS EXACTLY INTO THIS LAND USE DISCUSSION, BUT WE TALK A LOT ABOUT MIXED USE. 
          UH, WELL, FLEXIBILITY IS REALLY THE NAME OF THE GAME. 
          SO WHETHER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MIXED USE OR RESIDENTIAL, I REALLY SUPPORT GOAL TWO ON SLIDE 1 47. 
          I THINK IT'S A KEY COMPONENT OF 15 MINUTE NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          THIS IDEA OF LOOSENING SOME BUSINESS OR COMMERCIAL REGULATIONS IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, ALLOWING MORE FLEXIBLE USE OF THE HOME, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. 
          I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. 
          WHETHER WE CALL IT 15 MINUTE NEIGHBORHOODS OR NOT, I THINK THAT'S GREAT. 
          AND LIKEWISE WITH MIXED USE, I THINK BASED ON DEVELOPER FEEDBACK, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE OUT SOME WAY THAT MAYBE IT'S JUST PRIORITIZING MIXED USE ON CORNER LOTS WHERE IT HAS THE BEST RETAIL ACTIVITY. 
          UH, AND FIGURE OUT WHAT OUR DESIGN PURPOSE IS IN MANDATING MIXED USE. 
          AND IF THERE'S ANOTHER WAY TO GET THERE. 
          'CAUSE I KNOW THERE'S KIND OF THAT ECONOMIC COMPONENT. 
          I THINK THERE'S A DEBATE ON, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH OUR COMMUNITY CAN SUPPORT IN TERMS OF RETAIL. 
          SO IF THERE'S A DESIGN CONSIDERATION FOR ACTIVATED STREETS THAT MIXED USE IS BRINGING TO THE TABLE, I THINK IDENTIFYING THAT AND SEEING IF THERE'S ANOTHER WAY TO ACHIEVE THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 
          THANKS AND THANK YOU. 
          AND, UH, THAT CLOSES PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE EVENING. 
          DOES ANYONE HAVE A LAST COMMENT ON THE EVENING? YEAH. 
          UM, POLICY 1.2, ADJUST LAND USE REGULATIONS FOR SINGLE FAMILY ZONES TO PERMIT SMALL LOT SUBDIVISIONS AND DUPLEXES. 
          AND YOU ASKED, I THINK A QUESTION ABOUT SHOULD WE DO THIS? UM, AGAIN, IF YOU'RE GONNA DO, IF YOU'RE GONNA ASK THAT QUESTION THE ANSWER, YOU KNOW, YOU SAW WHAT OUR SINGLE FAMILY ZONE LOOKS LIKE, IT'S GONNA UNIVERSALLY BE NO, UM, THE QUESTION, IT'S A VALUES QUESTION. 
          LIKE, DO WE WANT TO, UM, ALLOW SMALLER HOMES IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS SO THAT, UM, WE ATTRACT MORE ECONOMIC DIVERSITY IN OUR, IN THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS? THAT'S A VALUES QUESTION THAT FORCES PEOPLE TO HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT. 
          THAT'S THE QUESTION WE NEED TO ASK. 
          UM, 'CAUSE THERE'S SOME PEOPLE, UM, SOME OF WHOM ARE TEXTING ME TONIGHT, TELLING ME TO STOP GROWING. 
          UM, UH, AND, BUT RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO HIM IS A PERSON WHO LIVES IN A, IN A DUPLEX, UM, THAT IS HIS FRIEND AND WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IF HE DIDN'T HAVE IT. 
          UM, SO I THINK THAT THERE'S SOME VALUES QUESTIONS THAT WE WANT OUR COMMUNITY TO FACE UP TO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING. 
          UM, AND THEN ON THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH WHAT DARREN RAKUTEN SAID ABOUT, UM, SOME OF THE LOOSENING REGULATIONS AND ON ALLOWABLE THINGS, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT'S CURRENTLY ALLOWABLE AND WHAT COULD BE ALLOWABLE. 
          YOU KNOW, IS IT MASSAGE? YOU KNOW, IS IT THIS, IS IT THAT, UM, AND SORT OF LIKE GIVING PEOPLE A CHECKBOX LIST OF THINGS THAT, UM, THAT MIGHT BE ALLOWED WITHIN A FIVE MINUTE WALK OF YOUR HOUSE IS GONNA BE, UM, AN IMPORTANT SORT OF WAY OF ENGAGING ON THOSE TOPICS. 
          AND THAT, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY. 
          YEAH, JUST, UM, TO FOLLOW UP ON, ON THE ISSUE OF, UM, HOW HOW MANY UNITS SHOULD BE ON A SINGLE FAMILY LOT. 
          UM, I, I'M PERSONALLY DON'T THINK THAT THE, UH, LOS ANGELES SUPERIOR COURT DECISION IS LIKELY TO STAND, UM, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. 
          UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S A PROBLEM THE LEGISLATURE COULD EASILY FIX, EVEN IF THAT DECISION IS UPHELD IN THE COURT OF APPEAL. 
          UM, BUT FOR US, I, I GUESS I, I, I, I DON'T THINK IT'S A ONE SIZE FITS ALL QUESTION. 
          I I, BECAUSE I THINK THERE ARE NEIGHBORHOODS WITH, WITH VERY SMALL LOTS. 
          THERE ARE NEIGHBORHOODS WITH MUCH LARGER LOTS, AND THE ANSWER MAY BE DIFFERENT IN DIFFERENT, THOSE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          UM, BUT I, I WOULD BE, UM, SKEPTICAL OF GOING BEYOND THE STATE MANDATED FOR, UM, UNLESS THERE'S SOME OUTPOURING OF SUPPORT FOR, FOR THAT IN THE, THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE THE LARGER LOTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [06:25:01]
UM, THANKS STAFF. 
          UM, THANKS TO OUR CONSULTANT TEAM. 
          UH, THIS, UH, THIS FEELS LIKE A REAL SEMINAL MOMENT IN THE GENERAL PLAN AND THE COUNCIL'S GETTING TO, UH, SEE WHAT ALL THE ACTION'S BEEN AND, AND, AND, UH, THE GOOD QUESTIONS AND THE HARD QUESTIONS ALL COMING IN FRONT OF US NOW. 
          SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          IT'S BEEN A, HOPEFULLY AS PRODUCTIVE FOR YOU AS FOR US. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN I'D LIKE TO NOTICE THAT, UH, AS WE ADJOURN, UH, WE'RE ADJOURNING, UH, AS MENTIONED EARLIER IN HONOR AND MEMORY OF BILL DONAHUE. 
          THANK YOU ALL. 
          GOOD NIGHT.
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