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[CALL TO ORDER]
WE NEED A ROLL CALL? YES, I CAN DO ROLL CALL.[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
ARE WE RE-APP APPROVING THE MINUTES OF OUR PRIOR MEETING? IS THAT WHAT THE MEETING OF 3 27 WAS? 'CAUSE WE APPROVED THOSE MINUTES.YOU HAD APPROVED, UM, THE JANUARY MINUTES.
SO THEN THIS'LL BE FOR THE SECOND MEETING.
CAN I GET AN APPROVAL THEN FOR THE MINUTES OF THE 3 27 MEETING APPROVAL? THE, I'LL, I'LL SECOND THAT.
AND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AT LEAST THREE OF US.
WE ALSO SHOULD HAVE HAD GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
WAS EVERYBODY, UH, DID EVERYBODY TAKE NOTE OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT CAME VIA EMAIL? MM-HMM?
[PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION]
HEARING AND MATTERS, THE MEASURE YOU OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE APPROVAL OF THE BIANNUAL REPORT FOR FI FOR FISCAL YEAR END JUNE 30TH, 2023.UH, ARE THERE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS ON THAT REPORT? SORRY, MR. CHAIR.
WE WERE JUST NOTING THAT, UM, JUST FOR THE RECORD, WE SHOULD THEORETICALLY OPEN GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ANYBODY, UH, WHO WOULD BE IN THE ROOM, EVEN THOUGH NOTING THAT THERE IS NOBODY.
IN THE ROOM CURRENTLY,
UM, DO WE HAVE A, A MOTION TO APPROVE THE BIANNUAL REPORT FOR FISCAL YEAR ENDED JUNE 30TH, 2023.
A MOTION TO APPROVE? IS THERE A SECOND? I OVER OVER ALL THIS, I'LL, SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS A SECOND, SO THERE CAN BE ANY DISCUSSION.
I'M JUST, I'M THIS, WE WENT OVER THE, THIS IS THE BUDGET WE'RE APPROVING FOR 2324.
NO, THIS IS TO APPROVE THE EXPENDITURES THAT ENDED FISCAL YEAR JUNE 23.
AND THEN THE REPORT WENT ON TO TALK ABOUT THE PROGRESS 2324, BUT WE'RE JUST APPROVING THE EXPENDITURES.
THE, THE REVENUE AND EXPENDITURES FISCAL YEAR ENDED JUNE, JUNE 30TH OF 23.
SO IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT REPORT? NO, NOT FROM ME.
UM, I'D LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE OR WE'VE ALREADY MOVED.
SO NOW THE, THE, UH, THE ITEM OF NOTE IS THE APPROVAL OF A TRANSMITTAL OF A LETTER TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
AND DO WE NEED ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PROCESS THAT WE ATTEMPTED TO GO THROUGH LAST MONTH THAT, UH, WE, UH, WE, WE PROBABLY SHOULD.
DO WE NEED TO REVIEW THAT AND YEAH, I CAN, I CAN PROVIDE A LITTLE CONTEXT IF THAT'S HELPFUL.
UH, AND THEN WE ALSO HAD, UH, JESSE, OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR, SHE PREPARED SOME SLIDES JUST TO KIND OF GO BACK THROUGH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE MEASURE U HISTORY AS WELL AS THE FORECAST.
UM, IN CASE THAT'S HELPFUL TO KIND OF PROVIDE A LONGER TERM VIEW OF WHERE WE SEE MEASURE U REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES GOING, AS WELL AS JUST KIND OF A REFRESHER ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAVE WE USED MEASURE U FOR IN THE PAST, WHAT ARE WE PROJECTING GOING FORWARD? SO WE THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL BECAUSE WE DID HEAR SOME QUESTIONS AT THE LAST MEETING, UH, AND WE'VE GOTTEN, YOU KNOW, JUST GENERAL EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE.
SO WE WANTED TO KIND OF GO THROUGH THAT.
HOPEFULLY WE CAN COMPRESS THAT MAYBE TO 15 MINUTES OR SO.
AND, UM, SO LET ME JUST PROVIDE A, YEAH, A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND AND THANK YOU COMMITTEE FOR APPROVING THE ANNUAL REPORT.
THAT WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEEDED TO CURE, UH, FROM THE LAST MEETING BECAUSE WITH THE AMOUNT OF DISCUSSION WE HAD ON ESTABLISHING A SUBCOMMITTEE AND DOING A LETTER, WE, UH, WE ERRONEOUSLY NEVER ACTUALLY APPROVED THE ANNUAL REPORT LAST TIME.
UH, WE HAVE TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF A REDO TODAY.
AND, YOU KNOW, I APOLOGIZE FOR SOME OF THE ERRONEOUS ADVICE THAT I GAVE TO THE COMMITTEE LAST TIME IN TERMS OF WHETHER OR NOT YOU COULD APPROVE A SUBCOMMITTEE, HOW THAT PROCESS WOULD WORK.
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AND THEN THE SUBCOMMITTEE ALSO, UM, WAS THEORETICALLY DELEGATED THE AUTHORITY TO FINALIZE THE LETTER, UM, WHICH AS THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS ADVISED, YOU KNOW, ANY FINAL DECISIONS BY THE COMMITTEE ACTUALLY NEED TO COME BACK TO THE COMMITTEE FOR A FINAL DECISION.SO THAT AD HOC, EVEN IF IT WERE CREATED CORRECTLY AND AGENDAS CORRECTLY, ET CETERA, WHICH IT WAS NOT, UH, IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO KIND OF SIGN OFF AND FINALIZE THE LETTER.
SO WE HAD A COUPLE OF PROCEDURAL THINGS THAT WE NEEDED TO CORRECT, UH, IN ORDER TO, UH, TO, TO MEMORIALIZE THAT.
WE ALSO, YOU'LL NOTE, AND WE CAN, WE CAN GET MORE INTO THIS, AFTER JESSE'S DONE, UM, STAFF DID PROVIDE A DRAFT LETTER.
THE SUBCOMMITTEE ALSO WORKED ON A LETTER, UH, OF THEIR OWN.
SO I'VE PROVIDED PAPER COPIES OF BOTH OF THOSE.
AND YOU DO HAVE THE DRAFT FROM STAFF, UH, THAT WAS WORKED UP IN YOUR PACKET.
OUR GOAL IN THAT WAS TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, WE WENT BACK THROUGH THE MINUTES AND THROUGH, THROUGH THE VIDEO OF LAST MEETING TO TRY TO PICK UP SOME OF THE THEMES OF THE COMMITTEE DISCUSSION IN TERMS OF, UM, YOU KNOW, CONCERN ABOUT THE FUTURE AND WOULD THERE BE ENOUGH REVENUE AND IS, YOU KNOW, MORE AND MORE OF THE REVENUES GOING TO THE GENERAL FUND THAT KIND OF, UM, THAT TIGHTENS UP, RIGHT? OUR FLEXIBILITY IN TERMS OF USING MEASURE U FOR SOME NEW THINGS.
SO WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO REFLECT THAT, UM, BUT ALSO JUST ENSURE THAT IT'S FACTUAL THAT, YOU KNOW, IT REFLECTS THE COMMITTEE DISCUSSION FROM THE LAST TIME.
UH, AND HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, SO THE COMMITTEE CAN HAVE DISCUSSION ON IF THERE ARE TWEAKS OR EDITS TO THAT LETTER IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND APPROVE IT, UH, A LITTLE BIT LATER IN THE MEETING.
UM, AND THEN FINALLY, I JUST WANTED TO ALSO NOTE, AND THIS IS A LITTLE UNUSUAL FOR A, FOR A BOARD OR COMMISSION MEETING, WE ARE ON A BIT OF A TIME CRUNCH.
UM, JUST FYI, NOT TRYING TO RUSH ANYBODY.
WE DO HAVE A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING THAT STARTS IN THIS ROOM AT SIX O'CLOCK.
SO WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE AN HOUR OR A LITTLE LESS, UH, TO, TO GET THE BUSINESS DONE, HOPEFULLY OF THE COMMITTEE TONIGHT.
CAN YOU, WHAT WOULD'VE BEEN THE PROPER, UH, PROCESS FOR HAVING AN A AD HOC COMMITTEE? THAT'S MY FIRST QUESTION.
AND THE SECOND ONE IS, I DON'T UNDERSTAND YOUR LETTER, MR. DANLEY, THAT, UM, SAID THERE WAS, IT WAS A BREACH OF TRUST THAT, THAT THIS AD HOC COMMITTEE WROTE THAT IN THE LETTER IN, IN YOUR LETTER.
AND I KIND OF TOOK OFFENSE AT THAT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY BREACH OF TRUST.
WELL, SO I, I'LL I'LL SPEAK TO THAT MAYBE A LITTLE BIT AND I, I KIND OF HEAR TWO PARTS TO THE QUESTION.
UM, THERE WERE A FEW THINGS THAT WERE, THAT WERE DONE ERRONEOUSLY.
AND THE FIRST IS THAT, UH, CREATION OF A SUBCOMMITTEE WAS NOT AGENDIZED.
SO WE WOULD'VE NEEDED TO PUT THAT IN THE AGENDA DESCRIPTION, YOU KNOW, THAT THE COMMITTEE WILL BE ENTERTAINING THE POSSIBILITY OF CREATION OF AN AD HOC SUBCOMMITTEE TO DRAFT A LETTER.
SO WE WOULD'VE NEEDED TO HAVE THAT AS PART OF THE AGENDA, UH, BECAUSE THEN THE PUBLIC WASN'T NOTIFIED THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY HAVE BEEN THE CREATION OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
SO WHEN YOU HAVE AN AD HOC COMMITTEE, THE PUBLIC CAN PARTICIPATE IN THAT TOO.
UH, NO, IT'S JUST THEY COULD PARTICIPATE IN WHETHER OR NOT THE C THE FORMATION SHOULD BE APPROVED OR NOT.
IN OTHER WORDS, IT HAS TO BE NOTICED.
VIA THE BROWN XO 72 AND I'M SORRY, BE LIKE 72 HOUR NOTICE.
AND, AND THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THAT, THE PURPOSE OF THE NOTICING AND THE AGENDAS OF THE BROWN ACT IS SO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC GET NOTICE ABOUT WHAT BUSINESS IS GONNA OCCUR SO THAT THEY WISH TO PARTICIPATE IN THE SENSE OF SHOWING UP THE MEETING OKAY.
GIVING COMMENT, WHATEVER THEY HAVE THE CHANCE TO.
THAT'S WHY THE AGENDA DESCRIPTION HAS TO GIVE THEM A FAIR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S HAPPENING.
AND, AND BY LEAVING THAT OUT, NOBODY KNEW THAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN SO THAT THEY COULD ADDRESS IT.
AND THEN THE SECOND THING, WHICH I ALLUDED TO A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, UM, IS I, AND WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION DURING THE COMMITTEE ABOUT HOW TO FINALIZE THE LETTER.
UM, AND I, I THINK I GAVE A COUPLE DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
AND THE COMMITTEE ULTIMATELY IN THE MOTION THAT YOU, THAT YOU APPROVED TO CREATE THE SUBCOMMITTEE ACTUALLY DELEGATED THE FINALIZATION APPROVAL AUTHORITY TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
SO THAT WOULD'VE MEANT THAT THE TWO MEMBER SUBCOMMITTEE WERE DRAFTING THE LETTER FINALIZING AND APPROVING AND SENDING THE LETTER.
AND SO THAT'S THAT LAST PART THAT WE COULDN'T HAVE BECAUSE IN THE, UH, IN THE FOUNDING RESOLUTION FOR THE COM FOR THE, UH, OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE, IT SAYS THAT ANY ACTION OF THE COMMITTEE MUST BE TAKEN BY A THREE MEMBER, UH, MAJORITY OF, OF THE FULL COMMITTEE, NOT JUST THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
SO THAT WAS KIND OF A PART TWO OF WHAT WE NEEDED TO CURE IN ORDER TO FINALIZE AND, UM, APPROVE THE LETTER.
SO, AND THEN ON THE SECOND PART, I, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU FOUND THE SPECIFIC REFERENCE, ERIC, BUT I BELIEVE WHAT THAT WAS REFERRING TO IS THERE WAS SOME BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN STAFF AND THE COMMITTEE AT THE LAST MEETING ABOUT HOW TO GO ABOUT THE DRAFTING.
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AND PART OF THAT WAS THAT THERE WAS GONNA BE SOME COMMUNICATION BACK AND FORTH WITH STAFF, WHETHER THE SUBCOMMITTEE WANTED TO DO A DRAFT AND THEN GET FEEDBACK OR, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT STAFF HAD INPUT IN TERMS OF ANY, UM, NUMBERS OR FINANCING, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, CITATIONS IN THE LETTER TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS FACTUALLY CORRECT.AND THAT NEVER, THAT THAT DIALOGUE BACK AND FORTH DID NOT HAPPEN WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
UM, WE JUST SORT OF RECEIVED AN EMAIL THAT SAID, HERE'S OUR, HERE'S OUR LETTER, HERE'S OUR FINAL LETTER, PLEASE TRANSMIT.
UM, SO I, I I THINK THAT WAS, OH, AND ERIC CAN CHIME IN.
AND I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK I USED THAT TERM.
SO YEAH, MAYBE I, AND I, I WOULDN'T, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR ME TO USE THAT TERM, AND I CAN'T, UM, I DID PROVIDE A MEMO TO, TO THE, UM, TO THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS ABOUT THESE PROCEDURAL PROBLEMS AND THE AUTHORITY THAT THE COMMITTEE HAS, AND THAT'S A PRIVILEGE MEMO.
SO I CAN'T GO INTO THE SUBSTANCE HERE, BUT I, BUT IT'S NOT FOR ME TO MAKE A VALUE JUDGMENT LIKE THAT.
MY FOCUS WAS ON WHAT, WHAT IS THE AUTHORITY THAT THE COMMITTEE HAS UNDER, UNDER THE ENABLING LEGISLATION THAT THE COUNCIL ADOPTED AND, AND SORT OF WHAT ITS TASKS ARE, ITS RESPONSIBILITIES ARE UNDER THAT, AND WHAT ARE THE BROWN NECK REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT.
UM, SO, SO I THINK THE KEY IN TERMS OF SUBCOMMITTEES AND, AND WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S RULES UNDER THE BROWN ACT ABOUT WHAT, UM, UM, WHAT, WHAT A, WHAT A PROPER SUBCOMMITTEE CAN CONSIST OF.
IF IT'S AN AD HOC COMMITTEE THAT'S NOT SUBJECT TO NOTICING OF COMMERCE ON THE BROWN ACT, AND THOSE ARE, THAT IT HAS TO BE COMPOSED SOLELY OF LESS THAN A QUORUM OF THE BODY THAT'S CREATING IT.
THERE CAN BE NO OTHER MEMBERS.
BUT, UM, BUT IMPORTANT FOR US IS WHAT IS THE AUTHORITY THAT'S BEEN GIVEN TO THE, THE, THE MEASURE U SUBCOMMITTEE.
UM, AND, AND, AND OUR FOCUS AS TO ITS FULFILLMENT OF ITS PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITIES, WHICH ARE REVIEWING AND COMMENTING ON THE REPORT.
UM, THEY CAN'T DELEGATE THAT IN ANY CASE BECAUSE OF THE WAY THEY'VE BEEN CREATED.
AND SO, UM, THERE'S, THERE'S, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY CIRCUMSTANCES UNDER WHICH A SUBCOMMITTEE COULD DO THAT, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER.
AND THAT WAS REALLY PART OF THE FOCUS I, I WAS TRYING TO ADDRESS.
SO I'D BE, IF THERE ARE MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, I'LL BE HAPPY TO, TO RESPOND TO 'EM.
WELL, NOT TO SPEND TOO LONG ON THIS, BUT I JUST ABOUT WHAT ALREADY HAPPENED.
BUT I MEAN, WOULDN'T IT HAVE BEEN JUST A SIMPLE MATTER TO LET THE SUBCOMMITTEE KNOW THAT IT HAD TO BE AGENDIZED AND THAT IT WAS, YOU KNOW, THAT NEED TO DO THE PROPER PROCESS? WELL, I, I THINK THE, THE ISSUE IS THAT, AND, AND THIS IS A LITTLE, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, GETTING MAYBE A LITTLE ESOTERIC HERE, BUT THE, THE SUBCOMMITTEE DIDN'T ACTUALLY EXIST, DIDN'T WHAT? IT DIDN'T ACTUALLY EXIST.
WE HAD TO PUT THE SUBCOMMITTEE AGENDA, WHICH WE NEVER DID.
'CAUSE IT WAS NOT PROPERLY FORMED.
AND SO, YEAH, IT'S A LITTLE, IT'S LIKE KIND OF HARD TO, TO CONCEPTUALIZE HOW WE WOULD'VE DONE THAT.
WE WOULD'VE HAD TO JUST TELL THE FULL COMMITTEE, HEY, THAT WAS IN INCORRECT, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT ERIC DID.
UH, WE HAVE TO COME BACK, YOU KNOW, AND KIND OF REDO THIS WHOLE PROCESS WITH THE LETTER.
AND BY THE WAY, THE SUBCOMMITTEE NEVER ACTUALLY WAS A THING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT WAS NOT, NOT LEGALLY FORMED.
SO, AND, AND, AND WHAT'S GUIDING US IN ALL THIS IS, UM, THERE'S A PROCESS THEN OF THE BROWN ACT BY WHICH SOMEONE WHO OBJECTS TO SOME ACTION TAKEN BY A LEGISLATIVE BODY SUBJECT TO THE BROWN ACT, UM, UM, WHEREBY THEY COULD ASSERT THAT THE BROWN ACT WAS VIOLATED.
UM, AND BEFORE THEY CAN BRING A CHALLENGE IN COURT, UM, THE BROWN ACT, UM, REQUIRES THAT THEY GIVE NOTICE FIRST AND GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE AGENCY TO CURE ITS ALLEGED NONCOMPLIANCE.
SO WE'RE JUST SORT OF, AND WHAT THAT REALLY LEADS TO IS A DO OVER.
AND SO THAT'S THE MODE WE'RE IN.
AND AGAIN, CONSISTENT WITH WHAT I MENTIONED ABOUT WHAT THE CORE PURPOSE OF THE PRODUCT IS.
AND THE SAME IS TRUE WITH THE CURES AND, AND, AND DO-OVERS, IS IT ADDRESSES THE OPPORTUNITY OF THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, VIEW AND TAKE PART IN WHATEVER THE DECISION IS.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
UM, I'D LIKE TO ADD, SINCE I WAS PART OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE OR, OR AD HOC COMMITTEE OR WHATEVER YOU WANTED TO CALL IT, UM, WE, AS MY, MY UNDERSTANDING IS ROSEMARY MAIL, UH, EMAILED IT TO YOU, BRIAN.
IT WAS NOT PUT OUT TO THE MASSES, IT WAS FOR YOU TO APPROVE BEFORE IT WENT ANY FURTHER.
THEN IT WENT TO ERIC DANLEY, THEN IT WENT TO PEGGY FLYNN, AND ACCORDING TO SOMEONE I HEARD, SAID, JANICE CATER THOMPSON READ IT.
WHICH WAS, DID NOT COME FROM US.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT WENT ON, BUT WE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WASTED SOME TIME, OBVIOUSLY SURE.
WE WEREN'T DOING THIS JUST FOR KICKS, BUT WE THOUGHT WE WERE, UM, AT LEAST SPELLING OUT
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SOME OF THE CONCERNS, NOT ONLY FROM THE COMMITTEE, BUT ALSO FROM PRIOR FROM, UM, BEN PETERS AND SUSAN KIRK'S FOR THE, THE PUBLIC WHO HAVE COME TO COMMENT OR SENT IN COMMENTS.AND THEN I FEEL LIKE WE WERE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF PRETTY HARSHLY CHASTISED FOR, FOR DOING SOMETHING WE WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO DO.
AND, UH, WE DIDN'T PUT IT OUT TO THE PUBLIC.
IT JUST WENT TO BRIAN AND THEN FROM YOUR OFFICE, SOMEHOW IT GOT DISSEMINATED.
BUT IN ANY EVENT, UM, I'M SORRY THAT ROSEMARY ISN'T HERE BECAUSE SHE FEELS VERY STRONGLY ABOUT THIS LETTER, AND THIS LETTER IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO WHAT THIS ONE SAYS.
I DON'T KNOW WHEN SHE GETS BACK, BUT I KNOW WE'RE ALSO UNDER A TIME CRUNCH TO GET IT TO THE COUNCIL, RIGHT? YEAH.
WELL, WE'RE IN A TIME CRUNCH ON THIS PARTICULAR MEETING, JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE YEAH.
KIND OF BACK TO BACK MEETINGS.
BUT WE, WE DEFINITELY WANTED TO GET THIS WRAPPED UP BECAUSE WE KNOW WE'RE PRETTY IN ARREARS AT THIS POINT.
UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT EXPENDITURES THROUGH JUNE OF 23, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE GETTING, UM, KIND OF WELL PAST WHEN WE NORMALLY WOULD HAVE APPROVED, UH, THE ANNUAL REPORT.
SO THAT'S, IT'S GREAT THAT WE APPROVE THE ANNUAL REPORT.
AND I KNOW THE COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, WE WANTED TO FINALIZE THIS DISCUSSION IN TERMS OF ANY KIND OF TRANSMITTAL LETTER.
SO, UM, YEAH, AND, AND JUST TO CLARIFY, UH, THE ONE POINT, AND THEN, UM, PERHAPS WE CAN MOVE TO, TO JESSE'S INFORMATION, BUT, UM, THE, THE TRANS OR THE, THE COMMUNICATION THAT I RECEIVED FROM ROSEMARY, I'M GOING FROM MEMORY, I'M, I'M NOT LOOKING AT IT DIRECTLY, BUT IT BASICALLY SAID, BRIAN, HERE'S THE LETTER FROM THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
PLEASE TRANSMIT THIS TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
SO THAT, THAT WAS THE COMM THAT WAS SORT OF A DIRECTIVE THAT, HEY, THIS IS THE FINAL LETTER.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE WOULD LIKE THIS TO GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL, IT'S DONE.
UM, WHEREAS STAFF WERE SORT OF EXPECTING, YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH JESSE, WITH ME, KIND OF DO SOME BACK AND FORTH TO DRAFT THE LETTER, UM, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S KOSHER AND GOOD TO GO.
UH, AND THEN WE CAN GO AHEAD AND FINALIZE IT.
UM, BUT I THINK IN SOME WAYS IT'S GOOD THAT WE'RE HERE.
WE'RE, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE, THE FULL COMMITTEE IS ABLE TO REVIEW THE LETTER.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THIS LETTER DOES REFLECT THE OPINION OF THE COMMITTEE, UH, AND ANY INFORMATION THAT YOU DO WANT TO CONVEY.
SO, UM, IN THAT SENSE, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE ABLE TO HOPEFULLY ACCOMPLISH THAT TODAY.
WHY DON'T WE GO TO JESSE'S REPORT.
I'LL TRY AND KEEP THIS QUICK SINCE WE'RE UNDER A TIME CRUNCH.
AND I THINK SOME OF THESE SLIDES, I'M SURE YOU'VE ALL SEEN BEFORE, IF YOU'RE NOT SICK OF HEARING ME TALK ABOUT IT YET.
AND AS YOU KNOW, PRIOR TO THE PASSAGE OF MEASURE U, THE CITY WAS FORECASTING A STRUCTURAL DEFICIT FOR THE GENERAL FUND.
SO THE CITY THEN EMBARKED ON THEIR TWO YEAR STUDY, UH, TO DETERMINE THE NEEDS AND IDENTIFY FUNDING SOURCES.
WE HAD HISTORICAL FUNDING SHORTFALLS, WHICH LED TO INSUFFICIENT STAFFING AND LOW INVESTMENT IN CITY INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND THEN WE WENT AND REACHED OUT TO THE COMMUNITY TO GET FEEDBACK ON WHAT THOSE PRIORITIES WERE.
AND ALL OF THIS INFORMATION LED TO THE CITY TO PUT MEASURE U ON THE BALLOT IN ORDER TO RAISE MORE FUNDING.
SO HERE WE'VE GOT JUST A LOOK AT ONE OF THE FLYERS THAT THE CITY PUT OUT PRIOR TO, UH, MEASURE U BEING VOTED UPON.
SO IN THIS COMMUNICATION, IT'S TALKING A LOT ABOUT MAINTAINING ESSENTIAL CITY SERVICES AND HOW MUCH WE NEED LOCALLY CONTROLLED FUNDING IN ORDER TO SUPPORT THE CITY'S NEEDS AND OUR COMMUNITY PRIORITIES.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE BOTTOM HALF OF THE FLYER 'CAUSE YOU JUST CAN'T GET ENOUGH.
AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, UH, INCLUDING EXAMPLES OF THE TYPES OF PRIORITIES THAT MEASURE YOU FUNDING WOULD SUPPORT, WHICH ALIGNED WITH THE COMMUNITY PRIORITIES THAT WE HEARD.
UM, THIS FLYER WE WANNA, UH, MAKE CLEAR, IT DOESN'T INCLUDE ANY MENTION OF SPECIFIC ALLOCATIONS OF MEASURE YOU DOLLARS.
AND IT DOES LIST A, AS YOU CAN SEE, A VARIETY OF PRIORITIES.
SO AGAIN, WE THEN CARRIED THROUGH THAT INFORMATION INTO THE BALLOT MEASURE.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, ALL OF THESE, UM, COMMUNITY FEEDBACK PRIORITIES WERE INCLUDED IN THE BALLOT MEASURE AS POTENTIAL USES OF, UM, MEASURE YOU DOLLARS.
AND ALSO I WANTED TO FLAG THAT THROUGH THE BALLOT MEASURE.
YOU CAN TELL THAT THIS, UH, TRANSACTIONS AND USE TAX WENT THROUGH AS A GENERAL PURPOSE TAX.
AND SO IT IS TECHNICALLY PART OF THE GENERAL FUND.
IT'S NOT ITS OWN REVENUE SOURCE.
SO AGAIN, IT'S A GENERAL PURPOSE TAX, WHICH MEANS THAT IT IS, UM, GENERAL FUND REVENUE.
IT WENT INTO EFFECT ON APRIL 1ST, 2021.
AND WE'RE CURRENTLY ESTIMATING ANNUAL REVENUE OF $16 MILLION.
WE ADMINISTRATIVELY DECIDED TO TRACK THE REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES IN A SEPARATE FUND THAT WAS NOT REQUIRED PER THE BALLOT MEASURE.
AND THESE AMOUNTS ARE TECHNICALLY GENERAL FUND DOLLARS AND ARE INCLUDED IN THE GENERAL FUND.
AND FOR ALL OF OUR FINANCIAL REPORTING PURPOSES, WE'VE GOT AN EXPENDITURE PLAN THAT WAS BASED ON OUR FOS STUDY FOR MEASURE U.
AND THAT WAS FORMULATED AGAIN BASED ON THE, THE STUDY AND THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED.
AND THEN WE ALSO CREATED IT WITH THIS CITIZEN OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE, UM, WHICH
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IS YOU.UM, WE'VE GOT OUR MEMBERS APPOINTED TO COUNCIL FOR YOUR TERMS. I'M GONNA KIND OF JIVE RIGHT THROUGH THIS.
SO HERE WE'VE GOT, FOR FISCAL 21, THIS WAS THE MEASURE U FORECAST THAT WAS BROUGHT TO COUNCIL.
UM, THIS PLAN INCLUDED USING MEASURE U TO OFFSET THE STRUCTURAL GENERAL FUND DEFICIT TO MAINTAIN CONTINUITY OF SERVICES AND TO ALSO BRING CURRENT EMPLOYEE SALARIES UP TO MARKET RATE ALONG WITH ADDING MUCH NEEDED NEW POSITIONS.
SO THE FORECASTED DEFICIT IS SHOWN IN THE BLUE STRIPES.
AND THEN THE COMBINED COST OF WORKFORCE NEEDS IS IN THE SOLID BLUE.
SO TOGETHER THOSE AMOUNTS MAKE UP THE GENERAL FUND SUPPORT CATEGORY.
UM, YOU CAN ALSO SEE IN ORANGE, THOSE ARE THE AMOUNTS FOR BONDING FOR ROAD PROJECTS.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT SOME ADDITIONAL DOLLARS FOR PRIORITY INITIATIVES IN GREEN.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THE ORIGINAL PLAN DID ASSUME THAT THE NEEDS OF THE GENERAL FUND WOULD INCREASE OVER TIME, AND A LOT OF THAT'S DUE TO SALARY AND BENEFIT INCREASES.
YOU CAN SEE THAT SOLID PORTION GROWING LARGER AND LARGER EACH YEAR.
AND THAT'S THE WORKFORCE COSTS.
UM, JESSE, THIS SLIDE WAS CREATED PRIOR TO PASSAGE OF MEASURE U.
THIS WAS, UH, WE TOOK THIS IN MARCH OF 2021.
SO THIS WAS AFTER MEASURE U WAS PASSED, BUT BEFORE WE BEGAN COLLECTING ANY TAXES.
UM, AND THIS FORECAST ALSO ASSUMED THE CITY WOULD ISSUE BONDS TWICE FOR $20 MILLION EACH TIME.
SO THIS, THE ORANGE SECTION INCLUDES TWO SEPARATE BOND ISSUANCES.
SO HERE IS OUR CURRENT MEASURE YOU FORECAST SO THAT YOU CAN COMPARE.
UM, WE'RE SHOWING OUR ACTUAL AMOUNTS IN YEARS 2021 THROUGH 2024.
AND THEN THE REST IS PROJECTED BUDGET AND FORECAST.
SO OUR GENERAL FUND SUPPORT NEEDS HAVE PROVEN TO BE HIGHER THAN WE ORIGINALLY THOUGHT THEY WOULD BE.
AND A LOT OF THAT IS DUE TO THE RESULT OF RECENT LABOR NEGOTIATIONS AS WELL AS RECORD HIGH INFLATION.
THAT'S SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTED OUR OVERALL FORECAST.
BUT WE'VE ALSO HAD REVENUES HIGHER THAN WE ORIGINALLY ANTICIPATED.
AND SO WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO INVEST ADDITIONAL FUNDING INTO OUR COMMUNITY AS SHOWN IN THOSE LARGER GREEN BARS.
AND I JUST WANNA DO A TERMINOLOGY CLARIFICATION 'CAUSE WE'VE BEEN CALLING THOSE PRIORITY INITIATIVES SINCE 2021, BUT ORIGINALLY THAT TERMINOLOGY JUST MEANT THAT THOSE PROJECTS WERE GOING TO RECEIVE FUNDING FIRST BEFORE THE GENERAL FUND NEEDS REALLY RAMPED UP.
SO THERE WERE PRIORITY AS IN FIRST NOT AS IN LINKING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY PRIORITIES.
AND SO I FEEL LIKE NOW THE USE OF THE WORD PRIORITY IS IT'S EASY TO GET IT MIXED UP WITH THE COUNCIL GOALS AND PRIORITIES THAT WE SET EACH YEAR.
AND SO ANYWAY, FOR THESE KIND OF ONE-OFF PROJECTS THAT WE'RE USING MEASURE U DOLLARS FOR, WE'RE JUST GONNA START REFERRING TO THEM AS COMMUNITY INVESTMENT.
SO JUST A DIFFERENT TERM, EXACT SAME TYPES OF PROJECTS THEY CAN CHANGE FROM YEAR TO YEAR BASED ON WHAT'S GOING ON, WHAT WE NEED.
UM, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO DECOUPLE THE WAY WE TALK ABOUT IT SO IT'S NOT CONFUSED WITH THE CITY COUNCIL OVERALL GOALS AND PRIORITIES.
UM, I WANNA POINT OUT, AND IT COMES OUT A LITTLE SCREWY ON THE SCREEN, BUT YOU SEE THAT SORT OF LIGHTER BLUE SECTION AT THE TOP.
SO THAT RIGHT THERE IS OUR PROJECTED SECOND DEBT ISSUANCE.
SO RIGHT NOW WE'VE ISSUED ONE SET OF $20 MILLION BONDS.
WE'RE LOOKING TO DO ANOTHER $20 MILLION BOND ISSUANCE.
AND SO THAT'S JUST BRINGING IN THAT ADDITIONAL COST THAT WOULD HAPPEN FOR THE DEBT SERVICE.
SO HERE'S AN EASIER WAY TO LOOK AT IT.
SO HERE'S MEASURE U FROM INCEPTION THROUGH, UH, 2035 IN THE FORECAST.
AND SO OUR ORIGINAL FORECAST, WE ASSUMED AN 85 12 3 SPLIT BETWEEN THOSE THREE CATEGORIES.
CURRENTLY, UM, WE'RE STILL STAYING PRETTY CLOSE TO THAT.
UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT GENERAL FUND SUPPORT OF 86%, SO JUST A PERCENTAGE POINT HIGHER.
WE'VE SPENT A QUITE A BIT MORE ON THESE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT INITIATIVES.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT 5% INSTEAD OF 3%.
AND THEN THE INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH IS THE BONDING FOR, UH, RHODES PROJECTS, ADDS UP TO ABOUT 9%.
SO AGAIN, JUST TO REVISIT SORT OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN THAT WE'VE HAD SINCE 2021 IS THAT THE PLAN HAS ALWAYS BEEN THAT WE WOULD USE SOME OF THOSE ADDITIONAL DOLLARS IN THE EARLY YEARS AS OUR ONE-TIME PROJECTS.
AND THEN THAT KNOWING THAT GENERAL FUND SUPPORT AMOUNT WAS GOING TO GROW OVER TIME AS THE, UM, YOU KNOW, COST OF LIVING INCREASES IN SALARY INCREASES AND ALL OF THAT, WERE GOING TO GROW.
UM, THIS GENERAL FUND SUPPORT DOESN'T ONLY PREVENT LAYOFFS AND PREVENTS BUDGET CUTS, BUT IT'S ALSO ALLOWED THE CITY TO GROW OUR SERVICE LEVELS.
AND THEN WE ARE PLANNING ON DOING A SECOND BOND ISSUANCE FOR OUR ROADS IN ORDER TO REALLY INVEST.
SO HERE'S JUST A QUICK LOOK AT WHAT WE'VE SPENT TO DATE.
SO THIS IS FROM INCEPTION THROUGH THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR.
AND SO WE'VE CURRENTLY SPENT 59% OF OUR GENERAL, GENERAL MEASURE YOU REVENUES ON GENERAL FUND SUPPORT.
UM, AND THEN ABOUT 21% ON OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THAT'S THE DEBT SERVICE AND THEN 20% ON THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT.
AND SO THAT'S A MIX OF CIP PROJECTS
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THAT RECEIVE DIRECT FUNDING FROM MEASURE U, SOME HOMELESSNESS INITIATIVES, AS WELL AS SOME, UM, OTHER COMMUNITY INVESTMENTS.AND SO TO LOOK A LITTLE MORE CLOSELY, AGAIN, THE GENERAL FUND SUPPORT IS THAT COMBINATION OF THE DEFICIT REDUCTION PLUS WORKFORCE NEEDS.
AND SO MEASURE U HAS ENABLED THE GENERAL FUND TO CONTINUE ALL OF OUR CORE SERVICES WITHOUT HAVING TO LAY OFF POSITIONS OR CUT OUR BUDGETS.
AND ADDITIONALLY, THESE DOLLARS HAVE PROVIDED MARKET ADJUSTMENTS, COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENTS, AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL FTE TO SUPPORT THE CITY'S NEEDS.
AND SO SINCE UM, MEASURE U WAS PASSED, WE'VE ADDED ALMOST 16 FTE JUST WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND ALONE, THAT'S NOT INCLUDING ALL OF THE OTHER CITY FUNDS, AND THOSE ARE PRIMARILY IN PUBLIC SAFETY AND PARKS AS WELL AS A FEW ADMINISTRATIVE POSITIONS.
SO HERE'S A LOOK AT THAT OTHER PIECE.
SO THIS IS, UM, THE PROJECTED MEASURE U EXPENSES OVER FOR BONDING OVER TIME.
UM, WE DID ANTICIPATE THAT THAT AMOUNT WOULD SHRINK FOR A LITTLE BIT, UM, PARTICULARLY AS SOME OF OUR PERS COSTS GREW.
UM, WE BUILT A LITTLE EXTRA INTO THOSE FIRST YEARS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO USE TO SMOOTH OUT THAT 2028 THROUGH 2030 ISSUE WITH THE GENERAL FUND NEEDING MORE SUPPORT.
AND THEN WE'RE SHOWING THOSE OUTER YEARS THE ADDITIONAL AMOUNTS THAT WILL GO TOWARDS THAT SECOND BOND ISSUANCE.
SO ALL OF THIS MONEY IS GOING TOWARDS THE DEBT SERVICE ON THOSE BONDS THAT ARE PAYING FOR RHODES PROJECTS.
HERE'S JUST A QUICK LOOK AT ALL OF THE DIFFERENT CIP PROJECTS THAT HAVE RECEIVED DOLLARS FOR MEASURE U IT'S A TOTAL OF $5.5 MILLION OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS.
UM, GOING TO A VARIETY OF PROJECTS, UM, ACROSS THE CITY AND IN THE MOST, FOR MOST CASES, MEASURE U JUST PLAYED A PART OF THE TOTAL PROJECT COST.
THIS IS JUST ONE PORTION OF A MUCH LARGER PROJECT.
AND THEN LOOKING AT OUR OTHER INVESTMENTS, UM, IN GREEN, WE'RE SHOWING OUR TWO CONTRIBUTIONS FOR ADDRESSING HOMELESSNESS.
SO THAT'S A TOTAL OF $1.5 MILLION THAT WENT TO THE SAFE TEAM AND FOR, UH, COTS AND MOBILE SHOWERS.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, INITIATIVES THAT TOTAL TO 2.9 MILLION OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS.
AND THEN JUST A QUICK LOOK AT, SO THE LEASE REVENUE BONDS, THOSE ARE THAT $20 MILLION OF BONDS THAT I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
UH, THOSE WERE ISSUED IN FISCAL 22.
UM, A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THAT MONEY HAS BEEN DEDICATED TO PETALUMA ROADS.
SO THIS YEAR WE COMPLETED THE NORTH MCDOWELL BOULEVARD COMPLETE STREETS PROJECT THAT WAS FUNDED 70% BY THESE BONDS.
WE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO COMPLETE THIS PROJECT WITHOUT THE MEASURE U DOLLARS.
AND THEN IN PROGRESS, WE CURRENTLY HAVE, UM, THE MARIA DRIVE PROJECT, WHICH IS ALSO RECEIVING A HUNDRED PERCENT OF ITS FUNDING FROM MEASURE U BONDS.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT OUR ONGOING PAVEMENT RESTORATION RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT.
AND SO THAT, RIGHT NOW BONDS ARE PAYING FOR 42%.
ONCE, UM, WE DO THE SECOND BOND ISSUANCE, THAT'S GOING TO CONTINUE GOING INTO THAT ONGOING PROJECT, WHICH IS REPAVING STREETS EVERY SINGLE YEAR THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
AND SO HERE WE'RE JUST REVISITING THAT CURRENT MEASURE YOU FORECAST.
AND SO I WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR, WE ARE PROJECTING THAT OUR TAX REVENUE'S GOING TO GROW OVER TIME, SO OUR REVENUES WILL MATCH THESE PROJECTED EXPENDITURES.
UM, IF THE REVENUES DON'T, THEN WE'LL ADJUST THE EXPENDITURE BUDGETS.
UM, BUT WE ARE SEEING THAT GENERAL FUND NEEDS ARE GROWING AT A FASTER RATE THAN OUR REVENUES ARE GROWING.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA NEED TO KEEP A CLOSE EYE ON HOW WE MANAGE OUR FUNDS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALLOWING ENOUGH FUNDING AND MEASURE YOU TO COVER ALL OF OUR DEBT SERVICE AND OUR OTHER NEEDS.
AND AS ALWAYS, WE'LL BE ADJUSTING THE FORECAST EVERY TIME WE HAVE ONE OF THESE MEETINGS AND BRINGING A FRESH FORECAST TO YOU SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE THINGS CURRENTLY STAND.
AND THEN LOOKING FORWARD, I KNOW WE WERE TRYING TO GET, MAKE SURE WE HAD THIS MEETING PRIOR TO THE COUNCIL BUDGET WORKSHOP, WHICH IS ON MAY 20TH.
SO THAT'S ON MONDAY WHEN WE'LL BE GOING OVER THE CITYWIDE OPERATING CAPITAL BUDGET.
UM, THEY'LL BE ADOPTING THE BUDGET IN JUNE, AND THEN OUR NEW FISCAL YEAR WILL KICK OFF ON JULY 1ST.
UM, GOING FORWARD, FINANCE IS GONNA CONTINUE TO MONITOR THE GENERAL FUND AND MEASURE U REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE STRATEGICALLY USING EVERYTHING FOR THE BEST PURPOSE, AND WE'LL BE CONTINUALLY ADJUSTING THESE FORECASTS AS THINGS CHANGE.
AND SO WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED THE MEASURE U ANNUAL REPORT, AND THEN IT WAS JUST, UM, WORKING ON THE TRANSMITTAL LETTER.
SO I JUST WANTED TO TRY AND PROVIDE A LITTLE EXTRA CONTEXT BEFORE YOU DIVE BACK INTO ANOTHER DISCUSSION.
I KNOW WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS, THIS A LOT, BUT I I WAS TRYING FOR A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE THIS TIME.
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COMMENTS FROM ANY COMMITTEE MEMBER?[00:30:01]
OKAY, IF NOT, UM, NO, NO, NO.I WAS JUST WAITING FOR, UM, I I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, UH, CARRIE, HOW, WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY BECAUSE YOU WERE PART OF THE ILLEGAL AD HOC COMMITTEE.
WELL, I, I GUESS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE NOT TRYING TO THROW ANYBODY UNDER THE BUS OR WE'RE TRYING TO LET THE COUNCIL UNDERSTAND THAT MEASURE YOU IS WE'RE THAT THE MAJORITY, THE VAST MAJORITY OF MEASURE U IS GOING TO CITY STAFF, UM, PENSIONS AND BENEFITS AND PAYROLL AND, AND THAT THE OTHER ITEMS ARE, YOU KNOW, ARE GETTING LESSER PORTION THAN I THINK IT WAS INITIALLY SET UP.
THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S WHY ROSEMARY PUT TOGETHER THIS, THIS GRAPH IN THE LETTER AND, AND WE JUST FEEL THAT THEY NEED TO BE AWARE OF THAT BECAUSE IF REVENUES ARE NOT GOING UP AS, UH, UH, OR REVENUES ARE NOT GOING UP AS FAST AS EXPENDITURES, WE'RE GONNA BE IN A ANOTHER WORLD OF HURT.
WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA RUN OUTTA MONEY, UM, BEFORE WE KNOW IT.
AND IT'S JUST, I, I FEEL LIKE WE, SOME NEED TO COME TO SOME SOMETHING IN BETWEEN HERE.
THIS IS BASICALLY RUBBER STAMPING WHAT'S GOING ON.
THIS IS, THIS IS MAYBE A LITTLE TOO HARSH, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THE COUNCIL UNDERSTANDS THAT.
UM, I MEAN, I MEAN, UM, GINA, BEN NIK MENTIONED THAT THE 20 MILLION BOND IS PRETTY MUCH SPENT, RIGHT? FOR, FOR IT'S, SHE SAID IT'S, IT'S BEEN FULLY ALLOCATED OR, OR SPENT, YEAH.
BETWEEN THOSE THREE PROJECTS THAT I BROUGHT UP FOR, FOR BIG, UM, I MEAN, I KNOW THE MCDOWELL PROJECT WAS HUGE AND I DON'T KNOW THE SCOPE OF MARIA DRIVE, BUT, UM, I THINK THE CITIZENS, FROM WHAT I'M HEARING THOUGHT THERE WAS GOING TO BE MORE OVERALL IMPROVEMENTS.
AND SO I I, AND I REALIZE WE NEED, WE HAVE SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, WE SIT ON HERE, THERE WAS 141,141 MILLION, UM, WAS THE APPROXIMATE NEED, WHICH WE CAN'T COME CLOSE TO THAT WITH MEASURE U OBVIOUSLY, BUT, UM, I, I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT THE GENERAL FUNDS JUST JUST KEEP GETTING, WE JUST KEEP GETTING SPENT.
WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE MONEY'S GOING.
REMEMBER, I THINK WE ASKED BRIAN ONE TIME IF WE COULD GET A LITTLE MORE BREAKDOWN ON HOW THAT GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURE WORKS.
IS IT, ARE WE, YOU KNOW, DID WE GET A NET GAIN OF FIVE FIREFIGHTERS OR, OR, YOU KNOW, FOUR POLICE OFFICERS OR, OR WITHIN THE, YOU KNOW, CITY HALL STAFFING.
I MEAN, WE NEVER REALLY KNOW, AND MAYBE, MAYBE THAT'S BEYOND OUR PURVIEW.
MAYBE WE AREN'T, WE DON'T NEED TO KNOW THAT, BUT WE DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW THAT GENERAL FUND IS BEING SPENT.
WELL, I, SO I, I WOULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU THERE, UM, ON THAT LAST COMMENT, BECAUSE WE, I MEAN, THE GENERAL FUND, IT'S PRE, IT'S A PRETTY OPEN BOOK.
UM, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT NECESSARILY EXPECTING ALL THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO DIGEST OUR, YOU KNOW, FOUR OR 500 PAGE BUDGET, YOU KNOW, EVERY YEAR.
BUT THAT BUDGET, IT'S AN AMAZING DOCUMENT.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOT ALL THE SUMMARY CHARTS AND, AND DETAIL CHARTS AND TABLES YOU COULD EVER WANT TO LOOK AT FOR THE GENERAL FUND AS WELL AS ALL FUNDS.
YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE GENERAL FUND IS ONLY A PIECE OF OUR BUDGET, BUT THEN IT ALSO GOES INTO DEPARTMENT BY DEPARTMENT DETAIL.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO LIKE IF YOU LOOK AT THE MEASURE YOU COMMUNITY PRIORITIES AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS ABOUT, UH, FIRE AND EMERGENCY RESPONSE AND POLICE AND 9 1 1 RESPONSE.
YOU KNOW, POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS, UH, FEATURE HEAVILY IN OUR GENERAL FUND BUDGET.
UH, AND THERE'S A LOT OF DETAIL IN TERMS OF WHAT THOSE DEPARTMENTS ARE DOING.
UM, AND, AND THEN AS WELL AS OUR ROAD PROJECTS, OUR CIP, THAT'S ALSO A GREAT WAY TO LEARN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE WORKING ON NOW, WHAT'S BUDGETED FOR THE NEXT YEAR.
AND THEN ACTUALLY WE DO A FIVE YEAR, SO YOU CAN SEE OUT INTO THE FUTURE WHAT WE'RE PLANNING.
UM, SO THERE IS, THERE IS A LOT OF GOOD DETAIL IN THERE AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO, TO CHECK OUT THE NEW, BUT WE ACTUALLY JUST RELEASED IT ABOUT A WEEK AGO.
UH, AND YOU CAN GO ON AND LOOK AT THE UPCOMING BUDGET THAT WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT TO, UH, WITH COUNCIL IN, IN A LOT OF DETAIL BEGINNING, I THINK AT FIVE O'CLOCK NEXT MONDAY, OR THIS COMING MONDAY, I SHOULD SAY.
UM, JUST A COUPLE OTHER NOTES MAYBE ON
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SOME OF YOUR COMMENTS TOO.AND I JUST, I WANT TO CAUTION US AGAINST, YOU KNOW, SAYING THAT THE GENERAL FUND IS GOING TO SALARIES AND PENSIONS.
I, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S FROM A TECHNICAL PERSPECTIVE, YES.
BUT, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S ONE PERSPECTIVE VERSUS LOOKING AT IT AS THOSE DOLLARS ARE GOING TO PAY EMPLOYEES WHO ARE PROVIDING SERVICES TO OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY.
AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THAT'S EXACTLY, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT MEASURE U WAS DESIGNED TO DO.
AND, UM, I THINK JESSE HAD THE STAT IN THE PRESENTATION THAT WE'VE ADDED ABOUT 16 FTES, UH, FULL-TIME EQUIVALENT POSITION, SORRY, FOR THE, UH, ACRONYMS, BUT 16 FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES, YOU KNOW, TO, TO AUGMENT AND UPGRADE SOME OF OUR SERVICE DELIVERY.
UH, BUT THE OTHER THING IS THAT WHILE THE SORT OF DEFICIT LINE AND MEASURE U FEELS LIKE MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF A BLACK HOLE, WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT WHETHER IT'S 6 MILLION OR 8 MILLION OR WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS, THOSE ARE CUTS TO, THOSE ARE LAYOFFS THAT ARE NOT OCCURRING.
YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE STAFF THAT ARE, THAT ARE STILL EMPLOYED, THEY'RE GONNA REMAIN EMPLOYED, AND THEY'RE GONNA CONTINUE PROVIDING AND EXCELLENCE SERVICE TO OUR RESIDENTS.
SO WHILE IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE WE'RE GETTING, YOU KNOW, NEW THINGS, MAYBE WITH THOSE DOLLARS, WHAT WE ARE DOING IS PRESERVING THE AVAILABLE SERVICES AND THE QUALITY AND THE AMOUNT THAT OUR, UH, RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES CAN ACCESS.
SO I DON'T WANT THAT TO GO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF UNNOTICED IN THIS DISCUSSION, BECAUSE IF WE DID NOT HAVE, YOU KNOW, BUT FOR MEASURE U, WE WOULD BE SLASHING SERVICES AND IT WOULD JUST, IT WOULD BE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CITY THAN I THINK THE ONE THAT WE ALL EXPERIENCED TODAY.
NO, THAT'S, NO, AND I, AND I DIDN'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANT TO CUT YOU OFF, DUDE.
SO, UM, I'M GONNA TRY TO BRING, UM, SOME ADDITIONAL PERSPECTIVE ABOUT WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO THE VOTERS AND WHAT THEY APPROVED AND WHAT IT WAS PLANNED TO DO, UM, FROM ITS INCEPTION MEASURE.
YOU, UM, RELYING ON THE TWO, MY TWO COLLEAGUES HERE WHO, UNLIKE ME ACTUALLY HAVE MATH SKILLS AND BUDGET EXPERTISE.
UM, BUT BRIAN'S RIGHT, I MEAN, UM, ONE OF THE PRIMARY THINGS THAT MEASURE U WAS INTENDED TO ADDRESS WAS A STRUCTURAL DEFICIT, SUCH THAT IF IT DIDN'T PASS, WE WOULD'VE BEEN IN BANKRUPTCY PROCEEDINGS FOR THE CITY OF PETALUMA.
I THINK WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT REALLY CLEARLY, AND THERE WOULD'VE BEEN THE LAYOFFS AND THE CORRESPONDING SERVICE CUTS THAT BRIAN REFERRED TO.
UM, AND, AND I, AND SO NONE OF THIS IS TO SAY THAT THE CONCERN ABOUT WHAT'S BEING DONE WITH THE MEASURE U PROCEEDS, OR HOW LONG ARE WE GONNA CONTINUE TO HAVE THEM TO AVAILABLE TO KEEP DOING THOSE THINGS, AND HOW, HOW DO THEY TRACK, UM, IN RELATION TO WHAT THE VOTERS AT THE TIME TOLD US WERE THEIR PRIORITIES.
THOSE ARE ABSOLUTELY CORE PURPOSES.
THAT'S WHY THIS COMMITTEE WAS CREATED.
THAT'S WHY MEASURE U AS IT WAS ADOPTED BY THE VOTERS, REQUIRES THE CREATION OF THIS COMMITTEE SO THAT YOU CAN ADDRESS JUST THOSE THINGS.
UM, AND I'VE GOT THE ENABLING LEGISLATION HERE.
IT SAYS, THE COMMITTEE'S REVIEW OF AND COMMENTS ON THE BIANNUAL REPORTS ON THE CITY'S TRANSACTION AND USE TAX PROCEEDS SHALL ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING, HOW THE CITY'S USE OF THE TRANSACTION AND USE TAX PROCEEDS RELATES TO THE SPENDING PRIORITIES IDENTIFIED BY THE COMMUNITY THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THE RECITALS TO MEASURE YOU.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT QUITE RIGHTLY.
THAT'S, THAT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY AND REVIEW AND COMMENT ON THE PROPOSED MEASURE YOU APPROPRIATIONS FOR THE UPCOMING BUDGET YEAR PRIOR TO THE CITY COUNCIL BUDGET HEARING.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE IN A RUSH TO GET THERE.
SO ONE THING I WAS GONNA, UM, A A COUPLE A COUPLE OBSERVATIONS.
UM, IT SEEMS TO ME, AGAIN, FROM MY LAY PERSPECTIVE, THAT THE SLIDES THAT JESSE PRESENTED, UM, COULD POTENTIALLY BE AN EXHIBIT TO, UM, THE COMMENTARY BY THE COMMITTEE BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY FACTUALLY SHOW WHERE THE MONEY'S GOING AND ALSO WHAT YOU, OH, YOU PROJECT A FIVE YEAR LOOK AHEAD, JESSE, IS THAT RIGHT? UM, WE WENT OUT TO 2035 FOR THIS ONE.
SO BECAUSE THOSE ARE, THAT'S OUR BEST DATA AND IT, AND IT SHOWS THE REALITY IS AS BEST AS WE KNOW IT.
THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION IS THAT, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME OF THE VOTERS' PRIORITIES THAT THEY WERE COMMUNICATING AT THE TIME THEY APPROVED MEASURE U WERE ON REALLY ON PROJECTS LIKE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, AND SOME WERE ON STAFFING, UM, AND A MIX LIKE, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY RESPONSE TIMES.
UM, AND, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER FOR THE COMMITTEE TO REMEMBER, AND FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE AWARE OF THAT WHEN MEASURE U UM,
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PLUGGED THE DEFICIT THAT THE CITY'S BUDGET HAD AND AVOIDED THE LAYOFFS AND PERMITTED THE STAFFING, UM, BUILDING UP A STAFFING AGAIN, UM, TO START TO MAKE PROGRESS AGAINST THE, THE GREAT RECESSION, UM, REDUCTIONS.UM, THAT'S NOT, IT'S THOSE SAME STAFF POSITIONS THAT DO THOSE SAME PROJECTS THAT ARE SHOWN IN THE REPORT THAT JESSE SHARED.
SO IT'S TRUE THAT WE HAVE, UM, WE, WE, UM, HIRE GENERAL CONTRACTORS TO, TO BUILD THE ROADS, BUT STAFF WE'RE OVERSEEING THE DESIGN, THEY'RE MANAGING THE PROJECTS, THEY'RE DOING THE ENVIRONMENTAL ANALYSIS.
UM, SO, SO, UM, STAFF TIME IS ALSO PROJECT TIME, AT LEAST TO THE EXTENT IT'S SHOWN IN JESSE'S ANALYSIS.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS, UM, OBJECTING TO, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ON THE COMMITTEE IS SAYING THAT FUNDS AREN'T BEING USED APPROPRIATELY.
THE PURPOSE OF THE LETTER IS TO COMMUNICATE TO THE COUNCIL AND TO THE PUBLIC HOW THE FUNDS ARE BEING USED SO THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS, AND IT'S TIME FOR EDUCATION, RIGHT? LIKE, PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANS TO HAVE HOW MANY STAFF, YOU KNOW, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU SAYING 16, RIGHT? AND THAT, THAT IS ACTUALLY PROJECT COSTS, OR THAT HELPS THINGS TO GET DONE, RIGHT? THAT HAS TO BE COMMUNICATED IN THE REPORT.
AND IT, IT ISN'T ACTUALLY COMMUNICATED IN THE REPORT.
IT'S KIND OF UNDER WORKFORCE STABILIZATION.
AND I REALLY APPRECIATED THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE STRIKE THAT WORD AND SAY RECRUITING AND HIRING EMPLOYEES TO, UM, FACILITATE THE ACCOMPLISHMENT OF PROJECTS.
UH, AND, AND THAT NEEDS TO BE IN THERE.
BUT I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ON THE COMMITTEE IS SAYING THAT THE FUNDS ARE BEING MISUSED.
IT'S HOW IT'S BEING COMMUNICATED.
AND THOSE ARE, IT MIGHT, IS ANYBODY ELSE ON THE COMMITTEE AGREE WITH ME? I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE COMMITTEE MORE.
I THINK WHAT I THINK WHAT BROUGHT THIS TO BEAR IS IF YOU TAKE 16 EMPLOYEES AND YOU THROW A NUMBER, A LOADED EMPLOYEE COST OF $200,000 PER EMPLOYEE, SO NOW YOU'VE GOT 3.2 MILLION, ORIGINALLY, UH, THE BUDGET DEFICIT WAS 6.4.
SO LET'S JUST COMBINE THOSE TWO ITEMS AND SAY IT'S $10 MILLION AND WE RAISED 13 MILLION THE FIRST YEAR.
AND THE AMOUNT THAT WE CAN SPEND ON THESE SPECIAL EXTRA PROJECTS ISN'T GETTING ANY BIGGER.
AND WHAT I HAVE SAID FROM THE VERY BEGINNING IS THAT I THOUGHT OUR CHARGE SHOULD BE, IF THE CITY COUNCIL ISN'T AWARE THAT, THAT THIS EXTRA DOUGH, THIS EXTRA MONEY THAT'S BEEN COMING IN FOR MEASURE U, IF WE CONTINUE TO GROW OVERHEAD THE WAY WE ARE, THERE WILL BE VERY LITTLE OF THIS MEASURE YOU MONEY AVAILABLE IN THE FUTURE.
AND THAT'S ALL I THINK OUR CHARGE IS AS A COMMITTEE.
AND, AND, AND WE DON'T, UH, YOU, YOU KNOW, IN, IN, I DON'T THINK OUR LETTER NEEDS TO BE, HAVE LOTS OF TEETH IN IT.
IT NEEDS TO BE, HEY, WE MET, WE REVIEWED THE NUMBERS, THIS IS WHAT WE SEE HAPPENING TO THE TWO CATEGORIES OF, OF BUDGET DEFICIT, AND WE CAN CHANGE IT FROM WORKFORCE STABILIZATION TO WHATEVER EUPHEMISM WE WANT TO CALL IT.
BUT IF ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS, WELL, THERE IS A EU COUNCIL EUPHEMISM MEMBERS, DO WE HAVE SEVEN COUNCIL COUNCIL MEMBERS? IF ALL OF THEM ARE NOT REALLY AWARE, NO, I THINK THEY ARE.
THAT, THAT THIS MONEY IS NOT GONNA LAST FOREVER OUR JOBS'S TO LET THEM KNOW IT ISN'T.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY YES, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT FOR STAFF TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, BUT IT IS FOR US TO PROVIDE CONTEXT AND INFORMATION SO THAT YOU CAN DO YOUR JOB AND COMMENT ON IT TO THE COUNCIL.
SO, YOU KNOW,
UH, AND, AND I AGREE WITH YOUR CHARACTERIZATION THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE WILL BE LESS MONEY, UH, OVER TIME.
AND THAT'S WHAT, SO WE TRIED TO PUT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE TRIED TO DO A LETTER THAT CONVEYED THAT, AND I UNDERSTAND THE COMMITTEE WANTS TO TWEAK IT, EDIT, THROW IT OUT, DO SOMETHING NEW.
UM, BUT THAT IS WHAT WE TRIED TO REFLECT IN THE STAFF DRAFT THAT WE PROVIDED AS AN ATTACHMENT TO THE, TO THE AGENDA ITEM.
UM, AND THEN THIS, THE LAST THING JUST TO REITERATE IS I AGREE THAT THE COUNCIL IS AWARE OF THIS ISSUE.
AND ACTUALLY ON MONDAY NIGHT, WE WILL BE, UH, REITERATING THAT FOR THEM WITH THIS UPDATED FORECAST THAT, THAT WE JUST DID, UH, SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE LIKE YOU HAVE THE MOST UPDATED, YOU KNOW, FORECAST THAT, THAT WE'VE DONE AS STAFF SO THAT THEY CAN MAKE GOOD BUT, UH, BUDGET DECISIONS FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR.
I, I THINK THE COUNCIL IS, MOST OF THE COUNCIL IS AWARE OF THE SITUATION.
AND, AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM THAT THE PUBLIC THINKS THAT, OH, THIS, THIS MONEY'S FOR ROADS AND ALL THESE THINGS ARE GONNA GET DONE, BUT REALLY WE
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NEED EMPLOYEES.SO THE COUNCIL NEEDS THAT NEEDS TO BE HIGHLIGHTED TO THE COUNCIL BY US.
IT NEEDS TO BE HIGHLIGHTED BY THE COUNCIL TO THE PUBLIC.
AND THAT, AND, AND EDUCATION TO THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
AND, AND THIS, UH, IF YOU READ THE PRESS, THIS IS HAPPENING IN SEBASTOPOL.
OH YEAH, THIS IS HAPPENING IN SANTA ROSA.
SANTA ROSA PASSED A LARGE PUBLIC SAFETY TAX, BUT THREE YEARS AGO IT'S ALREADY NOT ENOUGH.
AND, UM, YEAH, IT'S HAPPENING EVERYWHERE.
IT IT, IT'S HAPPENING EVERYWHERE.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, AS I LOOK AT OUR TIME, AND I ALSO LOOK AHEAD IN THE NEXT WEEK WHERE WE NEED TO HAVE THIS DONE, UM, I COLLABORATED QUITE A BIT WITH BRIAN ON THIS LETTER AND IT WAS NOT MEANT TO BE A SHARK WITH GREAT BIG TEETH.
IT WAS MEANT TO BE A, HEY GUYS, THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENING.
AND UM, I'M PERFECTLY WILLING IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO TWEAK IT A BIT, UM, IF WE WANT TO GET RID OF THE WORK, THE WORKFORCE STABILIZATION AND PUT ANY OTHER, UM, YEAH, I WOULD REALLY LIKE ANY OTHER DEFINITION, I'M OPEN TO THAT.
THAT'S A EUPHEMISM AND PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT MEANS.
AND IF IT JUST SAID RECRUITING AND HIRING CITY EMPLOYEES, THAT'S RETENTION IS A BIG ONE TOO.
'CAUSE OUR FIREFIGHTERS ARE NOT GETTING PAID AS MUCH AS RELATIVE OTHER DEPARTMENTS ARE.
SO, AND THEN THAT'S JUST GONNA GIVE US MORE PROBLEMS THERE.
SO, UM, NOT TRYING TO FORCE ANYTHING DOWN ANYONE'S THROAT OR ASK PEOPLE TO VOTE FOR SOMETHING THEY DON'T BELIEVE IN.
BUT, BUT WE'VE, WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE SHORT ON TIME AND WE'RE SHORT ON DAYS.
IF WE COULD COME UP WITH A NEW WORD FOR WORKFORCE STABILIZATION AND CHANGE IT TO SALARIES WORK, YOU KNOW, UM, UM, RECRUITING AND HIRING EMPLOYEES, RECRUITING, HIRING AND RETENTION, UM, IT WOULD, AT LEAST IN MY MIND, WE WILL HAVE DONE OUR JOBS.
AND IF IN FUTURE BUDGET MEETINGS, IF WE CONTINUE TO SEE THIS GROW THIS, THIS GAP BETWEEN REVENUE AND THESE EXTRA DOLLARS GROW FASTER THAN WE'VE JUST SEEN THIS YEAR, IF WE WANT TO TAKE A LITTLE EXTRA TIME AND PUT SOME TEETH INTO SOMETHING, WE WOULD HAVE MORE TIME TO DO IT.
WELL THAT'S, I MEAN, AS I SAID, THE THIS DISCUSSION IS, IS A CORE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE COMMITTEES AND WE'RE HERE TO FACILITATE AND SUPPORT.
IT'S CARRYING OUT ITS RESPONSIBILITIES.
SO WE'RE HERE TO RECEIVE, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE INTENDING TO COMMUNICATE.
WE JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE, UM, GOOD FACTUAL INFORMATION IS THE BASIS FOR YOU DOING THAT.
UM, THE REASON THE, THE, THE COUNCIL GETS ALL THIS BUDGET INFORMATION, THE REASON THIS COMMITTEE EXISTS IS IT'S PART OF THE, UM, THE PACT, IF YOU WILL, WITH THE VOTERS ABOUT HOW, UM, THE USES OF THE, OF THE, THEIR TAX THAT THEY IMPOSED ON THEMSELVES, UM, IS BEING UTILIZED TO MAKE SURE IT'S TRANSPARENT.
SO, AND, UH, SO WE'RE HERE TO TAKE, TAKE THAT DIRECTION.
I SEE WHERE YOU CHANGED THE WORDING AND IF, I THINK IF YOU SAID FOR EMPLOYEE RECRUITING, HIRING, AND RETENTION.
SO ARE AND OH, SORRY, UH, CHAIR, I, I JUST WANTED TO, JESSE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE IN YOUR HEAD KIND OF THE RHYTHM.
SO SPEAKING TO FUTURE ANNUAL REPORTS, JUST FOR A MOMENT.
SO TYPICALLY THE, IS THE JANUARY MEETING, THE MEETING WHERE THE COMMITTEE WOULD FIRST BE REVIEWING THE DRAFT OF THE ANNUAL REPORT FOR THE PRIOR YEAR OR SO? YEAH, CORRECT ME ON THAT ONE.
YEAH, SO TYPICALLY WE BRING TWO REPORTS.
SO A DIFFERENT REPORT AT EACH MEETING.
SO THE MEETING IN JANUARY, WE BRING THE, UM, REPORT FOR THE PRIOR FISCAL YEAR.
SO NEXT JANUARY WE WOULD BRING THE ANNUAL REPORT FOR FISCAL YEAR 20, 23, 24.
THEN WHEN WE RECONVENE IN MARCH, THAT'S WHEN I WOULD BE BRINGING THE REPORT THAT GIVES YOU THE UPDATE ON THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR AND THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
AND SO TYPICALLY THE WAY WE'VE BEEN DOING IS WE WERE JUST ASKING, UM, EACH YEAR FOR YOU TO APPROVE THE ANNUAL REPORT FOR THE FISCAL YEAR THAT HAS ENDED.
AND THEN THE SECOND REPORT THAT WE PROVIDE IS JUST MORE OF AN UPDATE IN TERMS OF WHERE WE'RE AT CURRENTLY AND WHAT WE'RE THINKING FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
SO IT ACTUALLY IS THE JANUARY THE FIRST MEETING, THE JANUARY MEETING, WHERE WE WOULD REVIEW THE ANNUAL REPORT FOR THE PRIOR FISCAL YEAR.
SO IT'D BE AT THAT, I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO IS IN THE FUTURE YEARS FOR OTHER REPORTS, IF WE WANTED TO DO LIKE AN UPDATED TRANSMITTAL, WE COULD ALWAYS START WITH THE ONE THAT WE HAVE, UM, UPDATE IT FOR THE FISCAL YEAR AND THEN BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE SO THAT IT'S AGENDIZED.
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OTHER TWEAKS OR FOLKS HAVE ADDITIONAL SUGGESTED LANGUAGE FOR THIS NEXT JANUARY, UH, WE CAN DO THAT AT THE MEETING AND THAT WAY WE CAN KEEP THIS KIND OF TRANSMITTAL FRESH AND CURRENT WITH EACH, EACH SUBSEQUENT REPORT.I, I THINK IT'S FAIR, BRIAN, TO SAY THAT THE COMMITTEE IS NOT COMFORTABLE WITH STAFF SUBMITTING A REPORT TO THE COUNCIL THAT WE HAVE MET.
WE WANT TO SUBMIT OUR OWN REPORT.
AND IF YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE SOME DRAFT OF THAT REPORT THAT SURE.
WE FEEL COMFORTABLE SIGNING IN THE FUTURE, UH, WITH A FEW MORE FACTS AND FIGURES THAN WHAT YOU AND I WORKED ON RIGHT.
ON THIS, UH, I THINK THIS, THIS COMMITTEE WOULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE.
UM, AND IS THAT FAIR, CARRIE? AND DO YOU, I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN SOMEWHAT ADAMANT THAT THIS ISN'T TOOTHY ENOUGH.
DO YOU THINK YOU CAN GET BEHIND THIS DRAFT FOR THIS REPORT IF IN THE FUTURE WE LOOK TO HAVING SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, DO YOU THINK THE CITY, DO YOU THINK THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE THIS? WOULD THAT MAKE ANY SENSE TO THEM JUST SO THEY CAN SEE HOW THE NUMBERS ARE CHANGING? YEAH, I THINK THE TABLE IS ACTUALLY NOT DISSIMILAR FROM, OR THE GRAPH, THE GRAPH THAT WE HAD, PROBABLY THE POWERPOINT.
SO WE, WE COULD DEFINITELY WORK ON THAT IN THE FUTURE.
I MEAN, IT'S A LITTLE CLUNKY TO INSERT INTO A WORD DOC KIND OF THING, BUT WE CAN WORK ON THAT.
SO THAT THERE'S A GOOD VISUAL REPRESENTATION OF KIND OF THE DECLINING, YOU KNOW, AVAILABLE REVENUES.
YEAH, I THINK WE COULD DEFINITELY WORK ON THAT.
BUT THAT YOU, JUST AS A REMINDER OF THE STRUCTURE THAT THEY'RE ENABLING LEGISLATION, ENVISIONS IS THAT STAFF, THE CITY PREPARES THE BIANNUAL REPORT, UM, AND THEN IT'S THE COMMITTEE'S JOB TO UM, TO MEET AND REVIEW AND COMMENT ON THE REPORT.
SO, SO COMMENTS ON THE REPORTS FOR A GAME, RECOGNIZING THAT IT'S CONTINUE TO BE STAFF'S JOB TO PROVIDE THAT REPORT FOR, FOR THE, THE COMMITTEE TO REVIEW AND COMMENT.
AND I THINK, AND I THINK HOPEFULLY THE, THE PURPOSE OF THAT STRUCTURE IS CLEAR AND THAT'S INTENDED TO PROVIDE SUPPORT FOR THE COMMUNITY VOLUNTEERS THAT ARE DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING SO THAT THEY GET, YOU KNOW, ACCURATE FACTUAL INFORMATION BASED ON WHICH THEY CAN THEN COMMUNICATE LIKE, COMMENT YEAH.
THEIR, YOU KNOW, THEIR THOUGHTS AND CONCERNS TO THE COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC.
SO, SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU FEEL IS IMPORTANT TO COMMENT WITH RESPECT TO THAT IS, IS FOR YOU TO DECIDE, UM, AS LONG AS STAFF GET TO GET TO INFORM THAT WITH THEIR REPORT AS THEY'RE DOING THE REPORT, WE GET THE CITY COUNCIL GETS THIS, DO THEY GET THE SAME REPORT? YES, THEY DO.
AND IT'S ALSO POSTED ON OUR WEBSITE.
UH, WE HAVE ALSO, UH, COMMUNICATED IT OUT WITH THE CITY'S EMAIL, UH, LIST.
'CAUSE WE, I THINK THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS IN PAST MEETINGS HAD SAID WE REALLY WANTED TO GET IT OUT TO THE COMMUNITY MORE SO EV EVERYTHING WE'RE LOOKING AT THE COUNCIL'S LOOKING AT ALSO, RIGHT? CORRECT.
BUT WHAT THEY GET IN ADDITION IS YOUR FEEDBACK.
SO, AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE YOU COME IN.
SO ARE, ARE THERE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS ON THE DRAFT TRANSMITTAL WITH THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE? ARE, ARE WE COMFORTABLE HAVING BRIAN SUBMIT THAT, UH, AS OUR REPORT TO THE COUNCIL, UH, KNOWING FULL WELL THAT IN THE FUTURE WE WOULD PREFER, UM, PERHAPS TO HAVE A FEW MORE FIGURES, FACTS AND FIGURES AND, AND EXCERPTS OF THE REPORT PUT IN OUR TRANSMITTAL? YEAH, I'M, WELL, BUT, AND WHEN WE ARE GONNA, YOU ARE GONNA TRY TO INCLUDE, UH, MAYBE ONE OR TWO OF JESSE'S GRAPHS WITH THE LETTER.
UH, MY, MY COMMENT WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED TO SAY THAT FOR THE FUTURE YEAR REPORT, LIKE THE ONE THAT WE WOULD DO NEXT, NEXT JANUARY, WE CAN MOCK UP THIS LETTER TO INCLUDE MORE INFORMATION, SORT OF LIKE WHAT THE CHAIR IS SAYING, BUT NOT, BUT WHAT ABOUT WITH THIS LETTER? CAN SHE, CAN WE INCLUDE, I THINK I CAN COPY A PASTE A CHART IN THERE RIGHT NOW.
LET'S, MAYBE WE COULD JUST ADD SORT OF AS LIKE A BACK PAGE TO THIS SO WE COULD HAVE THE FORECAST CHART, UM, ON THE SAME DOCUMENT SO THAT IT'S CLEAR THAT THIS IS THE MOST UPDATED FORECAST.
TYLER, DOES THAT HELP ILLUSTRATE? YEAH, I THINK THAT'S FAIR TO INCLUDE THAT JUST, JUST MM-HMM.
IS THAT HELPFUL TO THE COMMITTEE TO COMMUNICATE? EMPHASIZE WHAT YOU WANT TO, CARRIE, YOU GOOD? YEAH.
THEY WERE, YOU ACTUALLY HAD A COUPLE, CAN YOU PUT 'EM BOTH ON WHAT I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER.
SO I'VE GOT THE CURRENT, I HAD THE CURRENT FORECAST AND I HAD THE ORIGINAL FORECAST.
IT'S THE ONE THAT WE ORIGINALLY DID IN 2021.
BUT WE DID WANT TO GIVE THE COMMITTEE KIND OF THE SIDE BY SIDE.
I THINK, I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT THEY, THEY'RE GETTING THIS, THEY'RE GETTING ALL OF THOSE CHARTS.
THEY GET THE SAME REPORTS WE GET.
BUT INCLUDING THIS ONE, WE'RE EMPHASIZING
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WHAT THE CURRENT FORECAST IS.I, I THINK THE QUESTION, THE COUNCIL'S GETTING, GETTING ALL THIS INFORMATION AND IN A WAY, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S JUST A MATTER OF THEM BEING AWARE OF THE INFORMATION, THERE WOULDN'T BE A NEED FOR THIS COMMITTEE.
BUT THE PURPOSE OF THIS COMMITTEE IS TO GIVE ITS FEEDBACK, ITS COMMENTS ON THAT INFORMATION.
SO IF THIS KIND OF ADDITION HELPS, UM, CONVEY WHAT YOU WANT TO CONVEY, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD THING.
SO WE'RE HERE TO HELP FACILITATE THAT.
WELL, IT SEEMS TO KIND OF SUPPORT WHAT THE LETTER'S SAYING, THIS IS THE REALITY.
SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF IT KEEPS GOING LIKE THIS AND WE'RE BE FACING BANKRUPTCY AGAIN.
AND IT GIVES THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, ANOTHER OPTION TO LOOK AT THIS AND ASK FOR EXPLANATION.
AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TOO, RIGHT? YES.
WOULD I HAVE A MOTION THEN TO APPROVE THE TRANSMITTAL OF THE LETTER WITH THE CHANGES, UM, OF THE, OF THE, UH, THE WORDING AND THE ADDITION OF THE, UH, OF THE, OF THE, THE CHART? I'D MOVE TO A APPROVE THE, THE LETTER AND THE CHARTS TO, I'LL SECOND THAT.
ANY OTHER FURTHER? ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY.
ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE AYE.
IT APPEARS THAT, THAT WE ARE AT THE END OF OUR AGENDA.
BUT, AND, AND I JUST WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY NOW, MY RESIGNATION FROM THE COMMITTEE IS REINSTATED
NO, NOT, I'M, I'M NOT REINSTATED.
I ONLY CAME BACK FOR THIS DISCUSSION.
SO THAT, BECAUSE I WAS PART OF IT ORIGINALLY AND SO THAT WE COULD FINISH IT, BUT, UM, OH, WE CAN'T TALK YOU INTO STAN.
NOTHING PERSONAL AGAINST ANYBODY IN THIS ROOM.
DO WE NEED A MOTION TO ADJOURN OR CAN WE JUST ADJOURN? YOU CAN JUST ADJOURN.
AND, AND, AND FOR STAFF WANTED TO THANK THE COMMITTEE FOR GETTING BACK TOGETHER AND, AND RESOLVING THESE ISSUES, UM, AND FOR YOUR THOUGHTFUL REVIEW OF ALL THIS MATERIAL.