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WE'RE GONNA CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER AT EXACTLY SIX O'CLOCK.
WELCOME ON A BEAUTIFULLY SUNNY DAY AND STILL BEAUTIFULLY SUNNY EVENING.
I'D LIKE, I'D LIKE TO, UH, ASK THE CLERK TO TAKE ROLL.
COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT THAT HAD BEEN SENT TO US PRIOR TO THE MEETING? WE RECEIVED? NO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
I'M JUST GONNA ASK, IS ANYBODY HERE TO PROVIDE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ANYBODY WATCHING ON YOUTUBE? THERE'S TWO PEOPLE IN ATTENDANCE, NEITHER ONE OF WHOM ARE HERE FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS, SO WE WILL MOVE RIGHT ALONG.
UH, WE'LL MOVE, I WOULD SAY WE'D MOVE TO PRESENTATIONS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THOSE.
AND I'D SAY WE'D MOVE TO THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY MINUTES TO APPROVE THIS TIME.
[PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION]
WE ARE GONNA MOVE STRAIGHT INTO PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION.AND FOR THAT, WE HAVE MEETING ITEM NUMBER ONE.
THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF PETALUMA PLANNING COMMISSION MAKING FINDINGS ON EXEMPTION UNDER THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT, OR CCQA GUIDELINES 1 5 3 0 7 AND 1 5 3 0 8.
AND RECOMMENDING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL ORDER THE SUBMISSION TO THE QUALIFIED ELECTORS OF THE CITY, AN ORDINANCE TO MODIFY EXISTING REFERENCES TO SPECIFIC POTENTIAL EXPANSION AREAS, MODIFY CRITERIA SPECIFIC TO TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, AND EXTEND THE EXPIRATION DATE OF THE PETALUMA URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY DEVELOPMENT OR URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY THROUGH DECEMBER 31ST, 2050, AND MAKE CONFORMING AMENDMENTS TO THE GENERAL PLAN.
AND FOR ANYBODY WHO DIDN'T WANNA LISTEN TO THAT PARAGRAPH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY.
EVERYONE'S FAVORITE TOPIC IN PETALUMA.
AND WITH THAT, I AM GOING TO OPEN IT UP FOR, AND I'M JUST CHECKING REAL QUICK, WE DON'T HAVE TO, UH, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO PROVIDE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION THAT THEY MAY HAVE HAD? NOPE.
WELL, I'VE, IT WAS A LONG TIME AGO, SO I DON'T THINK IT'S A PROBLEM.
RECENT EX PARTE COMMUNICATION WITHIN LIKE THE LAST FOUR MONTHS.
UM, WELL, I'VE TALKED TO, UM, UM, THE SCOTT FAMILY OKAY.
BUT TALKED TO THEM FOR 30 YEARS ON IT
AND WITH THAT, I WILL THEN MOVE TO INVITE OUR SPECIAL PROJECTS MANAGER, HEATHER HINES, TO BEGIN PRESENTATION.
UM, SO THAT WAS A LONG, UH, INTRODUCTION.
UM, THE AGENDA TITLE IS LONG AND IT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU'RE USED TO SEEING.
SO WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA WALK THROUGH, UM, THIS ITEM IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
UH, FOR PURPOSES OF THIS PRESENTATION, I AM GOING TO USE THE TERM UGB, WHICH IS THE ACRONYM FOR URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY.
SO FOR A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, UM, PETALUMA HAS A LONG HISTORY, UM, OF THEIR LOCAL EFFORTS TO MANAGE GROWTH.
AND THIS REALLY STARTED, UM, IN THE 1961 PETALUMA GENERAL PLAN.
UH, STARTED TO RECOGNIZE, UM, ACKNOWLEDGE THE BENEFITS OF COMPACT DEVELOPMENT IN PETALUMA, REALLY IN RESPONSE TO URBAN SPRAWL AND FAILING INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND SO THAT WAS REALLY THE KICKOFF TO PETALUMA'S EFFORTS.
UM, IN 1972, PETALUMA ESTABLISHED AN URBAN SEPARATOR, UH, AND THEN FOLLOWED WITH, UH, DEVELOPMENT OF A RESIDENTIAL GROWTH MANAGEMENT PROGRAM THAT LIMITED, UH, RESIDENTIAL GROWTH TO 500 UNITS PER YEAR.
UH, THIS EXTENDED INTO THE 1978 ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN PLAN.
AND THEN 1987 GENERAL PLAN, WHICH ESTABLISHED AN URBAN LIMIT LINE THAT DELINEATED THAT OUTER EDGE FOR URBAN DEVELOPMENT.
THOSE ARE REALLY THE STEPS THAT LED TO, UH, THE FIRST URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY INITIATIVE IN PETALUMA, WHICH WAS ADOPTED BY VOTERS IN 1998.
AND PRETTY, PRETTY MUCH MIRRORED THAT URBAN LIMIT LINE FROM
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THE 1987 GENERAL PLAN.SO AGAIN, THAT, THAT BOUNDARY, THAT CONFINES GROWTH AND PHYSICAL DEVELOPMENT FOR THE CITY, UH, THAT INITIAL ADOPTION HAD AN UGB EXPIRATION DATE THROUGH 2018.
UM, IT WAS TAKEN BACK OUT TO THE VOTERS EIGHT YEARS BEFORE THAT EXPIRATION IN 2010, FOLLOWING THE CITY'S ADOPTION OF THE GENERAL PLAN IN 2008 AND TRYING TO SYNC UP THE, THE UGB
UH, SO, UH, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE NOW.
WE ARE STILL UNDER THAT GENERAL PLAN AND WE ARE STILL UNDER THAT URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY THAT WAS APPROVED, UM, IN 2010.
SO THESE OBJECTIVES, THESE WERE IN THE STAFF REPORT AND SHOWN ON THE SCREEN.
THESE WERE FROM THE ORIGINAL UGB MEASURE.
UM, AND LARGELY ARE STILL OBJECTIVES THAT WE TALK ABOUT TODAY THAT HAVE BEEN THINGS THAT HAVE COME UP AS WE ARE MOVING THROUGH OUR GENERAL PLAN UPDATE PROCESS, UM, IN TERMS OF REALLY PROTECTING OUR NATURAL SETTING, CONCENTRATING GROWTH, UM, TO LIMIT THE EXTENT OF REQUIRED CITY SERVICES LIMIT, UM, COSTS.
UM, AND OBVIOUSLY STILL ALLOW THE CITY TO CONTINUE TO MEET THE HOUSING NEEDS.
I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT, BUT NO, PLEASE.
MY SCREEN IS BLACK, SO I'M WONDER, WANNA MOVE DOWN SO I CAN HAVE AN END? OR DO YOU WANT MOVE OVER THERE? OH, I MEAN, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO JUST MOVE HERE ON THIS SCREEN, BUT I WAS GONNA ASK, IS THERE A TECHNICAL REASON WHY HER SCREEN IS BLACK? UH, I DID REACH OUT TO IT, SO HOPEFULLY THEY'LL COME OUT HERE AND GET THAT FIXED.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WHY DON'T YOU JUST MOVE 'CAUSE SHE IS, AS FAR AS AS I KNOW, HEIDI WON'T BE HERE.
SO JUST MOVE ON DOWN IF WE CAN JUST HAVE A PAUSE WHILE WE YOU GOT IT.
I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYONE HAS ACCESS.
THAT MAKE SENSE? ARE WE READY? OKAY.
UH, LET'S SEE, WHERE WAS I? SO THESE OBJECTIVES, THEY ARE FROM THE ORIGINAL MEASURE, UM, HAVE CONTINUED TO BE, UM, RELEVANT AND LARGELY TRACK WITH, UM, PRIORITIES IN THE CITY, UM, TODAY.
UM, SO I'M, I'M JUST KIND OF SENTENCED AT THE STAGE HERE WITH SOME OF THIS BACKGROUND INFORMATION AND THEN WE'LL REALLY GO INTO, UM, WHAT CHANGES.
UM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MOVING FORWARD TO THE BALLOT MEASURE.
SO THIS FIGURE IS FROM THE GENERAL PLAN.
UM, IT SHOWS THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY.
UH, THIS IS THE SAME URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY THAT WAS ADOPTED IN 1998.
UM, AND CURRENTLY IS OUR CURRENT, UM, URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY.
AS PART OF THE UGB BALLOT MEASURE.
THERE WERE FOUR AREAS SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED UNDER ONE OF THE EXCEPTIONS.
UM, AND THOSE FOUR AREAS ARE SHOWN IN THIS GRAPHIC IN, UM, SOME HATCHING.
UM, UH, SO, UM, IT REPRESENTS APPROXIMATELY 330 ACRES OF THE, IN THESE FOUR QUOTE UNQUOTE POSSIBLE EXPANSION AREAS THAT THE BALLOT MEASURE REFERRED TO.
I DO WANNA EMPHASIZE THAT NO ANNEXING OR EXPANDING OF THE UGB IN ANY OF THESE AREAS HAS OCCURRED SINCE THE 1998 ORIGINAL ADOPTION OF THE GENERAL OF THE UGB.
AND AS I MENTIONED, UH, ALSO STILL TRUE TO THE 1998 BALLOT MEASURE.
THERE WERE FOUR EXCEPTIONS WHICH ALLOWED EXPANSION OF THE UGB WITHOUT VOTER APPROVAL, UM, BY A SIXTH SEVENTH VOTE OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
AND UNDER THREE SPECIFIC AREAS AND WITH SPECIFIC FINDINGS FOR EACH OF THOSE.
SO THE FIRST BEING, UM, AROUND PROVISION OF HOUSING FOR ALL ECONOMIC SEGMENTS, UH, THE SECOND TO AVOID A CONSTITUTIONAL TAKING, UH, THAT MAY
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ARISE FROM THE UGB BOUNDARIES EXCEPTION THREE, UH, SPECIFIC TO TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, AS WELL AS INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT.UM, AND THIS REALLY IS THE EXCEPTION THAT HAS THE MOST AMOUNT OF DETAIL IN IT.
IT HAS A LIMITATION OF 1500 FOOT RADIUS OF THE, FROM THE RAIL STATION AND A LIMIT OF A HUNDRED ACRES FOR ANY EXPANSION FOR TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT AND A LIMITATION OF A HUNDRED ACRES FOR ANY INDUSTRIAL, UM, UH, UGB EXPANSION FOR INDUSTRIAL USES TO IMPROVE LOCAL EMPLOYMENT.
AND THEN FINALLY, THERE IS EXCEPTION FOR, WHICH IS FOR AGRICULTURAL OR AGRICULTURAL SUPPORT USES.
SO ONE POINT I WANNA MAKE WITH THIS IS THOSE FOUR EXPANSION AREAS, THESE EXCEPTIONS ARE NOT LIMITED TO THOSE FOUR EXPANSION AREAS.
THOSE WERE FOUR AREAS IN THE TEXT, UNDER EXCEPTION THREE THAT WERE CALLED OUT AS POTENTIAL.
BUT EVEN IN THAT TEXT IT SAYS THESE ARE NOT EXCLUSIVE.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE, MAKE THAT POINT CLEAR THAT, UM, THESE EXCEPTIONS DO APPLY OUTSIDE OF THOSE FOUR EXPANSION AREAS.
BACK IN JANUARY, UH, WE HAD A WORKSHOP WITH THE CITY COUNCIL.
UM, AND THIS WAS REALLY TO PROVIDE THE CITY COUNCIL WITH THE PRESENTATION AND GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK AND DIRECTION BACK TO STAFF.
UH, THE CULMINATION OF THAT FEEDBACK, THE CITY COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF TO PLACE THE UGB EXTENSION ON THE NOVEMBER, 2024 BALLOT, UH, E EXTENDING THE EXPIRATION THROUGH 2050, WHICH WOULD ALIGN WITH WHAT WE WOULD ANTICIPATE TO APPROXIMATELY BE THE BUILD OUT AND UPDATE OF OUR NEXT GENERAL PLAN.
ALSO, FEEDBACK WAS TO MODIFY EXCEPTION THREE TO ALLOW FOR A POTENTIAL UGB EXPANSION TO INCORPORATE A HALF MILE RADIUS FROM THE PETALUMA NORTH STATION TO BETTER ALIGN WITH STANDARD TRANSIT ORIENTED PLANNING PRINCIPLES.
AND REALLY TO ACKNOWLEDGE, UH, THE PROGRESS AND THE CONSTRUCTION ON THAT PETALUMA NORTH STATION, AS WELL AS THE $1.2 MILLION GRANT THAT THE CITY HAS RECEIVED TO DO A SPECIFIC PLAN IN THAT AREA TO, UM, BETTER SUPPORT THAT TRANSIT.
UH, IN DOING SO, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ALSO AT THE CITY COUNCIL ABOUT LOOKING AT FLEXIBILITY IN THE LANGUAGE TO ENSURE THAT WHERE THAT HALF MILE, UM, RADIUS FELL, THAT WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE A ORDERLY EXPANSION OF THE UGB.
SO WE DIDN'T HAVE, AND I'LL SHOW THIS ON A GRAPHIC IN A MOMENT, BUT, UH, BASICALLY LIKE A, A SAWTOOTH ALONG ELI BOULEVARD, UM, ON THAT, ON THAT EDGE.
UM, AND THEN FINALLY, UM, THE CITY COUNCIL WANTED TO REMOVE THE REFERENCES TO THOSE SPECIFIC UGB EXPANSION AREAS, UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE EXPANSION AREA NEAR THE NORTH PETALUMA STATION.
AND SOME OF THAT WAS REALLY ACKNOWLEDGING THAT SOME OF THOSE AREAS, UM, THAT HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN IDENTIFIED AS POSSIBLE EXPANSION AREAS WERE NO LONGER IN LINE WITH SOME OF OUR PRIORITIES, WHETHER IT BE THE FLOODPLAIN OR, UM, EXPANDING IN AREAS THAT WEREN'T CONNECTED TO TRANSIT OR SERVICES.
SO THAT BRINGS US TO BEING HERE TODAY.
UM, SO WHAT STAFF HAS DONE IS PREPARED MATERIALS TO RESPOND TO THE CITY COUNCIL'S, UM, FEEDBACK FROM THAT JANUARY STUDY SESSION.
UM, BECAUSE THE UGB IF APPROVED BY THE VOTERS, IT WILL CHANGE THE GENERAL PLAN.
AND SO IN THAT WAY, WE LOOKED AT IT AS A GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT, ALTHOUGH THERE'S SOME DIFFERENT TIMING AND, UM, PROCESS INVOLVED, UM, IT WOULD AMEND THE GENERAL PLAN AND THEREFORE BROUGHT BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS FOR THE COMMISSION TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION MAKING FINDINGS OF EXEMPTION UNDER CQA AND RECOMMENDING THE CITY COUNCIL ORDER THAT SUBMISSION TO THE VOTERS TO APPROVE IT.
AND THAT'S REALLY WHERE THAT, THAT DIFFERENCE COMES IN INSTEAD OF THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVING IT IS, UM, PLACING THE
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ITEM, UM, BEFORE THE VOTERS.AND MORE SPECIFICALLY, THESE BULLETS REALLY LAY OUT THE MODIFICATIONS THAT, UM, ARE CAPTURED IN THE EXHIBITS THAT ARE BEFORE YOU.
SO NUMBER ONE IS TO MODIFY THAT FIGURE I THREE AND FIGURE 2.2 DASH ONE IN THE GENERAL PLAN TO REMOVE THE POSSIBLE EXPANSION AREAS THAT ARE GRAPHICALLY SHOWN ON THOSE EXHIBITS IN THE GENERAL PLAN, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THAT NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION OF CORONA AND THE SMART RAILROAD.
SECOND MODIFICATION IS TO POLICY ONE P 32 AND SPECIFICALLY TO EXCEPTION THREE.
AND THAT'S THE TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, UM, EXCEPTION, WHICH WOULD CHANGE THE REFERENCE TO THE POTENTIAL UGB EXPANSION UP TO 1500 FOOT RADIUS OF THE RAIL STATION TO AN APPROXIMATELY HALF MILE, UM, OF THE RAIL STATION.
AND INCLUDING, UM, LANGUAGE THAT WOULD ALLOW THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER THOSE ADDITIONAL PARCELS JUST OUTSIDE THAT RADIUS, UH, TO CREATE THAT ORDERLY AND COHESIVE EXPANSION BOUNDARY.
AND I'LL, AND I'LL TOUCH ON THE GRAPHICS THAT SHOW THAT MODIFICATION TWO, POLICY ONE P 32, ALSO EXCEPTION THREE, TO INCREASE THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF ACRES FOR ANY FUTURE UGB EXPANSION TO 140 ACRES FROM WHAT IS NOW A HUNDRED.
AND THAT'S REALLY TO ALIGN WITH THAT CHANGE FROM THE 1500 FOOT RADIUS TO THE HALF MILE.
UH, ONE MORE MODIFICATION TWO, POLICY ONE P 32, AND SPECIFICALLY TWO EXCEPTION THREE IS TO REMOVE THE NARRATIVE THAT'S RESPOND THAT, UM, REFERENCES THOSE POSSIBLE FUTURE EXPANSIONS AREAS EXCEPT LEAVING THE REFERENCE TO THAT NORTHEAST CORNER OF CORONA AND THE RAILROAD.
AND THEN FINALLY CONFORMING MODIFICATIONS TO OTHER POLICIES THAT ARE REFERENCING THAT EXPIRATION DATE, UM, OF THE UGB AND TO MAKE SURE WE'RE KEEPING INTERNAL, UH, CONSISTENCY.
SO I'M GONNA RUN THROUGH THESE AND TRY TO SHOW SOME GRAPHICS AS WELL JUST TO TRACK.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS A SLIGHTLY REVISED MAP OF PROPOSED I THREE FROM THE GENERAL PLAN.
NO CHANGE TO THE UGB BOUNDARIES.
NOTHING IS CHANGING WITH THE BOUNDARIES.
THE ONLY THING THAT IS CHANGING HERE IS THE ONLY EXPANSION AREA THAT IS SHOWN IS THAT ONE UP AT THE CORNER, UM, OF, OF, UM, CORONA AND, UM, THE RAILROAD, UH, POLICY ONE P 32 EXCEPTION THREE.
THIS IS KIND OF A, A STRIKE THROUGH SHOWING THE CHANGES THAT ARE PROPOSED.
SO THIS IS THE LANGUAGE DIRECTLY FROM THE BALLOT, DIRECTLY FROM THE GENERAL PLAN, UM, SHOWING THAT THAT CHANGED FROM 1500 FEET TO A HALF MILE RADIUS.
AND ALSO REFERENCING AREA WITHIN BORDERED BY CORONA ELI, THE SMART RAIL TRACKS.
AND THEN A SPECIFIC, UM, REFERENCE TO THE, THE NORTHERN MOST PARCEL AND THE CORRESPONDING CHANGE FROM A HUNDRED ACRES TO 140 ACRES FOR THE AREA.
AND I'M GONNA, I HAVE A GRAPHIC HERE, WHAT THIS SHOWS THE LITTLE TINY DOTS, UM, SHOWS, UH, LET'S SEE IF I CAN GET MY CURSOR THERE.
THIS LITTLE TINY.HERE, THAT'S THE LOCATION OF THE STATION.
SO THIS INNER RED BOUNDARY IS THE 1500 FOOT RADIUS.
THIS OUTER RED BOUNDARY IS THE HALF MILE RADIUS.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.
THESE PURPLE PARCELS ARE ALL THE PARCELS THAT ARE TOUCHED BY THAT HALF MILE, HALF MILE, UM, RADIUS.
SO YOU'LL SEE SOME ARE TOUCHED ARE COMPLETELY WITHIN THAT, AND SOME A CORNER ARE TOUCHED.
UM, AND THEN THOSE BLUE, THERE ARE FIVE BLUE PARCELS THERE ALONG ELI, WHERE THERE WOULD BE A KIND OF A SAW TOOTH IN AND OUT ON ELI IF WE DIDN'T, UM, ALSO CONSIDER, UM, EXPANDING TO CAPTURE THOSE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT IS, UM, PROPOSED IN THE CURRENT LANGUAGE.
THIS DOES NOT OBLIGATE THE COUNCIL TO EXPAND THE UGB.
IT DOES NOT OBLIGATE THE COUNCIL TO EXPAND IT TO INCLUDE ALL THESE PARCELS.
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THE OPPORTUNITY AT A FUTURE TIME FOR THE COUNCIL IF, IF THAT IS DESIRED, UM, BY A SIX SEVEN VOTE.AND THIS IS KIND OF A INSET THAT CORNER.
AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL THE PARCELS THAT THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY BE LOOKING AT, UM, AS, AS A POTENTIAL TO EXPAND THERE.
AND IT'S SHOWING THE, UM, THE TOTAL, THE COMBINED ACREAGE OF THE 139.7, WHICH IS WHERE THE 140 ACRES CAME FROM.
UM, THIS IS ALSO, UM, TRACK CHANGES, UH, FOR POLICY ONE P 32 EXCEPTION THREE.
AND THIS IS THE AREA TO, UH, REMOVE THE REFERENCE TO ALL BUT ONE OF THOSE POSSIBLE EXPANSION AREAS.
SO AGAIN, NO CHANGE IN THE UGB.
THIS IS TAKING THOSE POSSIBLE EXPANSION AREAS, BUT LEAVING THE LANGUAGE IN THAT THE, THE IDENTIFICATION OF A POTENTIAL EXPANSION AREA IS NOT INTENDED TO BE EXCLUSIVE.
UM, SO THAT IS CURRENT LANGUAGE IN THE UGB BALLOT.
AND THEN FINALLY, UH, REFERENCING THOSE CONFORMING AMENDMENTS.
SO THE REFERENCE TO THE 2050 AS THE NEW EXPIRATION DATE TRACKING WITH THE ADDITIONAL BALLOT MEASURE FOR 2024 REFERENCING THAT WE ANTICIPATE, UM, AN RFP FOR A SPECIFIC PLAN IN THE CORONA STATION PRIORITY DEVELOPMENT AREA.
SO THOSE ARE THE OTHER AMENDMENTS THAT ARE REPRESENTED IN THAT EXHIBIT ONE TO YEAR ATTACHMENT A.
SO IN TERMS OF PUBLIC OUTREACH, THERE HAS BEEN DISCUSSION OCCURRING IN, IN THE COMMUNITY AS WE ARE GETTING CLOSER TO THAT EXPIRATION DATE AND, AND A OVERWHELMING, UM, SENTIMENT THAT WE DO NOT WANT TO ALLOW THE UGB TO EXPIRE.
WE HAVE MEL WITH GREENBELT ALLIANCE TO DISCUSS CITY'S APPROACH.
THERE WERE A NUMBER OF, UM, I THINK THERE WAS 3, 4, 5, UM, LETTERS THAT CAME IN AND WERE POSTED TO THE WEBSITE.
A FEW, UM, A FEW IN YOUR PACKET AND A FEW THAT CAME OUT.
UM, WE HAVE, UM, PUT THIS IN THE COMMUNITY NEWSLETTER AND WE ALSO HAVE, UM, A SIMPLE CITY WEBPAGE, UM, WITH THE FACTUAL INFORMATION ABOUT THIS EFFORT.
IN TERMS OF ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW, THIS HAS BEEN, THIS IS A PROJECT UNDER SQO, WE HAVE REVIEWED FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT.
WE, UM, FOUND THAT THIS EFFORT WAS ELIGIBLE FOR EXEMPTIONS IN ACCORDANCE WITH, UH, THE COMMON SENSE EXEM EXEMPTION PROTECTION OF NATURAL RESOURCES AND PROTECTION OF THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT.
THERE IS NO PHYSICAL DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD OCCUR OUTSIDE THE BOUNDARY, NO ADVERSE DIRECT OR INDIRECT IMPACTS THAT WOULD RESULT FROM THE EXTENSION OF THE UGB TERMS OR THOSE MODIFICATIONS.
IF AT ANY POINT IN THE FUTURE THE UGB EXPANSION, UM, WERE TO COME BEFORE COUNCIL, FULL ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW WOULD BE DONE AT THAT TIME.
UM, THE PROJECT INVOLVES CONTINUING THE WELL-ESTABLISHED POLICIES AND REGULATIONS THAT CREATE THAT BOUNDARY TO CONTAIN URBAN GROWTH, LIMIT THAT URBAN GROWTH.
UM, SO THESE MODIFICATIONS SERVE TO FURTHER THE PROTECTIONS THAT THAT HAS AFFORDED TO NATURAL RESOURCES AND THE ENVIRONMENT SINCE THAT UGB WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1998.
THIS IS JUST A, A LOOK AT THE TIMELINE THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH.
UM, SO WE ARE HERE, UH, MAY 21ST BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION TE OF AGENDA TO BE BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL, UM, ON JULY ONE.
AND THEN AUGUST 9TH IS REALLY THE START OF ALL THE DEADLINES, UH, FOR GETTING THE INFORMATION TO, UM, THE COUNTY FOR THE BALLOT.
SO, UH, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE PRETTY HARD NON-NEGOTIABLE DEADLINES.
SO THAT IS AN IMPORTANT FACTOR FOR US TONIGHT.
AND AS WE MOVE FORWARD TO MAKE THAT NOVEMBER 5TH ELECTION.
SO, IN CLOSING, RECOMMENDATION, THERE IS A RESOLUTION BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
IT MAKES FINDINGS OF EXEMPTION, UM, UNDER CA AND RECOMMENDING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL ORDER THE SUBMISSION TO THE QUALIFIED ELECTORS OF THE CITY OF AN ORDINANCE TO MODIFY EXISTING REFERENCES TO SPECIFIC POSSIBLE EXPANSION AREAS, MODIFY CRITERIA SPECIFIC TO THAT TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT EXCEPTION THREE, AND EXTEND THE TERM OF PETALUMA'S URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY THROUGH
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DECEMBER 31ST, 2050.AND I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
WE'RE NOW AT THAT TIME FOR COMMISSIONERS TO ASK THEIR QUE ASK THEIR QUESTIONS.
AND FOR NOW, I WAS GONNA START OFF.
RICK, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UM, JUST A COUPLE CLARIFYING QUESTIONS.
THE, THE MAP YOU SHARED WITH ME PUT THE PARCELS, THERE WERE A FEW WHERE THAT, THAT EXTENSION LINE WAS GOING THROUGH THE PARCELS.
JUST CLARIFICATION THE PARCELS THAT WILL BE COMMISSIONER WIMAN, CAN YOU PLEASE SPEAK INTO YOUR MIC? SORRY.
UM, WOULD THEY, WOULD THE ENTIRE PARCEL COME IN? YEAH.
UH, THE IN OR THE OUT? IT, WELL, ULTIMATELY THAT DECISION WOULD BE MADE BY THE COUNCIL.
IT HAS THE POTENTIAL THAT THE WHOLE PARCEL WOULD COME IN.
WE WOULD NOT, WE WOULD NOT EXPAND TO DO A PART OF A PARCEL.
UM, SO THE IDEA WOULD BE THIS WOULD GIVE THE COUNCIL FLEXIBILITY IN THE FUTURE SHOULD IT BE PROPOSED TO ANNEX OR TO EXPAND THE UGB, UM, TO CAPTURE THAT WHOLE PARCEL.
UM, AND THEN, UM, WITH ATTACHMENT D, UM, WHERE IT SHOWS THE, THOSE HASHED AREAS YOU HAD A STAR IN THE ONE THAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT ON, ON CORONA, UM, THE OTHER HASHED AREAS OR, OR SHADED AREAS.
UM, WHAT'S WHAT'LL BE THE STATUS OF THOSE? IS THERE ANY CHANGE IN THE STATUS OF THOSE FROM THIS RESOLUTION? FROM, SO THOSE ARE NO LONGER IDENTIFIED AS POSSIBLE UGB EXPANSION AREAS.
SO THAT, THAT NARRATIVE COMES OUT OF THE, THE POLICY AND THEY COME OUT OF THE MAP.
BUT WHAT I DO WANNA BE, UM, HEATHER, I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT, BUT WOULD YOU MIND PUTTING THE MAPS UP ON SCREEN MORE? SURE, SURE, SURE, SURE.
JUST SO EVERYBODY HAS REFERENCE POINT.
SO LET ME GO BACK TO THAT ONE.
SO THIS HAS, UM, I'M REALIZING YOU CAN'T SEE MY CURSOR, BUT, UM, THIS HAS FOUR LITTLE HATCHED AREAS.
WE'VE LOOKED THROUGH AND LEGAL HAS LOOKED THROUGH AND THERE'S NOTHING THAT LIMITS A POSSIBLE EXPANSION TO THESE FOUR AREAS.
SO THEORETICALLY THEY COULD STILL COME IN AND, AND, AND REQUEST, BUT AGAIN, IT WOULD BE UP TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THE SPECIFIC FINDINGS, UNDER THE SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES THAT ARE LAID OUT IN THE BALLOT MEASURE.
AND THEN WHY, WHAT WAS THE DECISION TO EXCLUDE THESE AND, AND STRIKE THEM FROM THE PREVIOUS TEXT? SO WHEN THE COUNCIL WAS HAVING THAT DISCUSSION IN JANUARY, LOOKING AT THOSE AREAS, THEY WERE AREAS THAT WERE NOT NECESSARILY NEXT TO TRANSIT.
THERE WERE AREAS AT LEAST ONE OF 'EM WAS IDENTIFIED AS BEING IN THE FLOODPLAIN.
UM, SO IT, IT WAS REALLY A THOUGHT OF THESE, THESE AREAS DON'T ALIGN WITH OUR CURRENT PRIORITIES.
UM, AND SO WE DON'T WANT, AS A CITY, WE DON'T WANT TO CALL THEM OUT AS AREAS TO ENCOURAGE AN EXPANSION.
AND JUST TO BUILD OFF ONE OF COMMISSIONER WESSMAN'S COMMENTS ABOUT OUR RADIUS THAT TOUCHES CERTAIN PARCELS, WAS THERE EVER DISCUSSION OF A THRESHOLD OF LIKE THE AMOUNT OF PARCELS IN THERE IN ORDER TO INCLUDE OR EXCLUDE? AND THE ONLY REASON I BRING THAT UP IS THAT NORTH MOST PARCEL, I BELIEVE IS 19 ACRES AND IT'S JUST GRAZED BY THIS BOUNDARY LINE.
UH, THANK YOU FOR GOING TO THE MAP.
MM-HMM
UM, YOU KNOW, WAS THERE DISCUSSION ABOUT KIND OF MORE PARTICULAR INCLUSION OR EXCLUSION THRESHOLDS FOR THOSE? NOT SPECIFICALLY OTHER THAN APPROXIMATELY THAT HALF ACRE OR HALF HALF MILE.
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WAS ONE THING THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT.IT WAS TALKED ABOUT, LET'S MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT, UH, CREATING AN URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY LINE THAT GOES THROUGH A PARCEL, RIGHT.
UM, AND THEN JUST THE ORDERLY, UM, KIND OF ORDERLY LINE ALONG ELI WAS BROUGHT UP SO THAT PARCEL WAS NOT SPECIFICALLY BROUGHT UP.
AND THEN LIKEWISE, WITH THIS EXPANSION OUT TO THE HALF MILE, I KNOW YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT IT, IT SAYS CURRENT TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT PRACTICES.
CAN YOU GIVE US THE BROAD OVERVIEW OF WHY THAT IS SUPERIOR TO OUR 1500 FOOT? AGAIN, I KNOW THIS WAS DISCUSSED AT COUNCIL, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE ARE ADVOCATING FOR A, YOU KNOW, ALMOST A DOUBLING OF THAT RADIUS, RIGHT? YEAH, IT REALLY ALIGNS WITH A LOT OF THE PRINCIPLES, UM, THAT FROM MTC AND AAG, WHEN WE ARE PLANNING AROUND TRANSIT, IT'S A WALKABLE AREA, CONSIDERED A WALKABLE AREA TO SUPPORT THE STATION.
UM, AND WHEN WE DID OUR, UM, PRIORITY DEVELOPMENT AREA FOR THIS, THAT WHOLE HALF MILE WAS INCLUDED IN THAT PRIORITY AREA.
UM, AND SO ALSO IS INCLUDED IN OUR, UM, OUR GRANT FUNDING, UM, TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THAT AREA.
UM, THAT'S EXACTLY THE KIND OF OVERVIEW I WAS HOPING FOR.
AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT REMOVING THOSE THREE OTHER AREAS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED.
I THINK IF THEY WEREN'T IMBUING ANY SPECIAL STATUS, IT'S ODD THAT THEY WERE CALLED OUT.
OTHER THAN I GUESS FORWARD THINKING PLANNING, UM, IS, CAN WE INTERPRET THAT AS A SIGNAL, UH, FROM WHAT WE'RE SEEING FROM CITY LEADERSHIP AND CITY STAFF IN TERMS OF RELUCTANCE TO EXPAND THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY? COULD IT BE INTERPRETED THAT WAY, THE FACT THAT WE'RE REMOVING THOSE? UM, JUST TRYING TO READ INTO WHY WE WOULD REMOVE AND NOT ADD OTHER ONES OR TRY TO THINK OF OTHER ONES.
IT SEEMS LIKE I INTERPRET THAT AS A BIT OF TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE KEEP THAT BOUNDARY AS TIGHT AS POSSIBLE.
WELL, I WOULD SAY THAT I THINK THERE HAS BEEN A DEDICATION TO THE UGB IN THAT SINCE 1998.
THERE HAS NOT BEEN ANY EXPANSION OF IT, EVEN THOUGH THERE HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, A, AN AVENUE OR LANGUAGE THAT COULD ALLOW THAT.
I THINK REMOVING THOSE SPECIFIC THREE EXPANSION AREAS DOES DEMONSTRATE, YOU KNOW, AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF WHERE OUR CITY PRIORITIES ARE.
NOW, IF WE HAD, YOU KNOW, TREMENDOUS, I DON'T KNOW, BUS SERVICE OUT IN ONE OF THOSE AREAS WHERE IT MADE SENSE, MAYBE THERE WOULD'VE BEEN A DIFFERENT, A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION OR AN AREA TO STAY ON.
BUT THERE HAS BEEN, UH, YOU KNOW, SO MUCH FOCUS, UM, IN THE COMMUNITY AND THROUGH THE LEADERSHIP OF THIS CITY ABOUT MAKING SURE WE ARE FOCUSING OUR DEVELOPMENT IN A INFILL CONCENTRATED CENTRAL LOCATION, NEAR TRANSIT, NEAR SERVICES, AND TO STAY OUTSIDE OF, UM, VULNERABLE AREAS LIKE ALONG THE RIVER AND IN OUR, IN OUR FLOODPLAIN.
SO, UM, THAT, THAT WAS THE REASONING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP BY COUNCIL.
WELL, AND THANKS FOR GIVING A LITTLE BIT OF THAT CONTEXT.
I KNOW WE GOT SOME PUBLIC COMMENTS ABOUT THE SLIPPERY SLOPE KIND OF ELEMENT AND UH, I'LL, I'LL SAVE THE REST OF THAT FOR MY COMMENTARY, BUT THANK YOU FOR THAT.
AND THEN CAN YOU DESCRIBE, JUST QUICKLY, UH, THIS IS NOT EXPANDING THE UGB INTO THIS AREA, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS RENEWING IT, KEEPING THAT AREA HIGHLIGHTED, UH, CHANGING, YOU KNOW, THE SELECT AREAS YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT.
IF THE CORONA STATION MASTER PLAN MOVES FORWARD OR WORKING UNDER THAT ASSUMPTION, WHAT'S THE SEQUENCE OF EVENTS THAT WOULD ACTUALLY LEAD TO THE EXPANSION OF THE UGB? SO I, I'M, I'M GONNA KEEP SAYING THIS 'CAUSE I REALLY WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR OR AS CLEAR AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.
THERE IS NO EXPANSION OF THE UGB BEING PROPOSED.
IT'S THE SAME AS IT WAS IN 1998.
THERE IS NOTHING BEING PROPOSED TO CHANGE IN THE BALLOT MEASURE THAT IS CURRENTLY BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR RECOMMENDATION.
SO ONE, I REALLY WANNA START WITH THAT.
I'VE TRIED TO WEAVE THAT IN SEVERAL TIMES DURING THE PRESENTATION, BUT, UM, WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S REALLY CLEAR.
UM, SO WE ARE LOOKING TO RELEASE AN RFPA REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS FOR, UM, THE CORONA, UM, STATION PRIORITY DEVELOPMENT AREA, UH, WHICH IS WHAT WE GOT A GRANT FROM A BAG AND MTC.
UM, I BELIEVE WE HAVE A THREE YEAR, THAT GRANT HAS A THREE YEAR TIMELINE.
UM, SO LOOKING TO KICK THAT OFF THIS YEAR, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'LL BE LOOKING AT IS EXACTLY HOW DO WE WANT TO PLAN THAT AREA.
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BELIEVE THE STATION, IF I'M REMEMBERING CORRECTLY, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE END OF THE YEAR THAT STATION CONSTRUCTION BEING COMPLETED.WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE DOING WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE SURE THAT AREA DEVELOPS TO SUPPORT THAT STATION.
SO THE SPECIFIC PLAN WOULD BE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THEORETICALLY AT DENSITIES, AT AREAS YOU KNOW, OF, OF MIXED USE OF LOCAL SERVING EMPLOYMENT AND SERVICES RESIDENTIAL.
UM, THEORETICALLY YOU COULD LOOK AT A-A-U-G-B EXPANSION AS PART OF ADOPTION OF THAT SPECIFIC PLAN, BUT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO DO THAT.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'M SURE WOULD BE DISCUSSED AS PART OF THAT.
THANK YOU FOR, AGAIN, GIVING US THAT CONTEXT AND WALKING THROUGH THAT EXAMPLE.
UM, I'M GONNA SKIP TO ONE AREA.
THIS IS IN ATTACHMENT A, THE DRAFT ORDINANCE, AND I AM ON PAGE NUMBER SEVEN.
AND IT'S JUST A ONE DASH P DASH 36.
IT TALKS ABOUT FOR PROPERTIES ADJOINING THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY, IT IS INTENT OF THE CITY THAT PROJECTS DEVELOPED IN THE CITY ARE REQUESTING CITY SERVICES SHALL BE OF LIMITED DENSITY, UH, UNLESS GREATER DENSITY IS REQUIRED TO SATISFY THE REQUIREMENTS OF STATE HOUSING LAWS.
OBVIOUSLY IN THIS SCENARIO WE'RE JUST KIND OF TALKING ABOUT, UM, WITH THE CORONA STATION, DO WE ANTICIPATE THAT THERE'S ENOUGH LEEWAY IN HERE TO ALLOW FOR THAT? UM, I, I JUST HIT THAT AREA AND I THOUGHT THAT'S AN INTERESTING KIND OF PIECE, UM, WHEN JUXTAPOSED TO KIND OF WHAT OUR GOALS ARE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE PLAN FOR THIS AREA.
CAN YOU, WHAT IS THE CITATION? IT'S, YEAH, IT'S ON PAGE SEVEN OF THE DRAFT ORDINANCE, ONE DASH P DASH 36.
AND IT'S JUST THAT FIRST SENTENCE, AND I THINK THIS IS IN THE VEIN OF HAVING THIS BE KIND OF A GRADUAL BOUNDARY FROM THE MORE RURAL AREAS INTO THE CITY.
AND IT TALKS ABOUT OF LIMITED DENSITY.
UM, I JUST WONDERED IF THAT WAS HIGHLIGHTED OR AGAIN, IF WE THINK THERE'S ENOUGH FLEXIBILITY BECAUSE WHEN IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE REQUIREMENTS OF STATE HOUSING LAWS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT THRESHOLD IS.
IF IT'S LIKE, HEY, WE NEED A COMPLIANT HOUSING ELEMENT, WE HAVE NO MORE TAR, YOU KNOW, IF, IF IT REQUIRES THAT LEVEL OF JUSTIFICATION OR IF THERE'S ENOUGH FLEXIBILITY TO SAY, WELL, IF WE HAVE TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, WE CAN KIND OF SEE PAST THAT GENERAL PLAN LAND USE CONSIDERATION OUTLINE THERE.
UH, IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD POINT.
UM, THERE IS A REFERENCE THAT SAYS AS SHOWN ON THE GENERAL PLAN LAND USE MAP, UH, WHICH THEORETICALLY WOULD BE CHANGING WITH A NEW GENERAL PLAN LAND USE MAP.
UM, BUT HAPPY TO, UM, TO CHAT ABOUT WHETHER THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE CHANGE IN THAT LANGUAGE AS WELL FOR THAT AREA.
UM, OR MAYBE DENSITY, YOU KNOW, IN CONCURRENCE WITH THE GENERAL PLAN LAND USE MAP TO LEAVE THAT OPEN TO WHATEVER THE GENERAL PLAN LAND USE MAP IS.
YEAH, IT DOES SAY AS SHOWN ON THE GENERAL PLAN LAND USE MAP, BUT YEAH.
SO JUST SOMETHING THAT REMOVES THAT LIMITED JUST BECAUSE WE, I DUNNO, I DON'T WANNA RUN INTO KIND OF THAT CONFLICT LATER ON.
UM, AND THEN I THINK, OR, OR BY THE OTHER HALF OF THAT, IF THERE IS A GENERAL PLAN LAND USE THAT DOES LIMIT DENSITY, THAT GUIDANCE WOULD STILL APPLY.
UM, BUT THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS.
AND CHAIR, COULD I INTERRUPT, UH, WHILE THIS SCREEN IS ON THERE, ON PAGE FIVE OF THE ORDINANCE, THERE IS, AND UNDER EXCEPTION THREE, THERE'S A LITTLE BLANK WHERE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO ADD AN A PN AND WE WERE GOING TO ADDRESS THAT.
BUT WHILE THE GRAPHIC'S ON IT THINK'S THE PERFECT TIME, UH, IT WOULD BE, AND I'LL JUST READ IT INTO THE RECORD AND MAYBE IF YOU GUYS ALL DECIDE WE COULD, UH, MAKE THE ORDINANCE RECOMMENDATION WITH THIS EDIT, BUT IT SAYS UNDER THE BOLD UNDERLINE CHANGES AND OR WITHIN THE AREA OF THE CITY BORDERED BY THE CORONA ROAD, ELI ROAD AND THE SMART RAIL TRACKS, BUT EXCLUDING PARCELS NORTH OF A PN AND THAT A PN IS THAT NORTH ONE RIGHT THERE.
THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
UM, COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, HEATHER, WITH UM, THE CIRCLES THE HALF A MILE VERSUS THE 1500, CAN THAT BE, UM, CHANGED? DOES IT HAVE IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A HALF A MILE.
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IS FOR THE COMMISSION TO RECOMMEND IF THERE'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN THAT AND THE COUNCIL ULTIMATELY TO DIRECT IF THERE'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN THAT.AND, AND MY CONCERNS ARE THAT WE'RE REALLY, WE HAVE TO BE REALLY CAREFUL IS MY OPINION, WHEN YOU'RE GOING FROM URBAN INTO THE RURAL AREA, AND I SEE THE PROBLEMS WITH THE 1500 AS FAR AS SOME OF THE PARCELS, UM, PARTER IN AND THEN PARTER OUT.
SO CAN THE LINES JUST BE, WE CAN JUST AUGMENT THE LINES TO LOOK AT THE PARCELS THAT WE WANNA BRING IN VERSUS BRINGING IN THE POSSIBILITY OF REALLY INFRINGING IN OUR RURAL AREA.
YES, THERE COULD BE A RECOMMENDATION TO, FOR A DIFFERENT MEASUREMENT.
ALSO, I JUST WANNA KIND OF GO BACK TO ALSO, THIS ISN'T OBLIGATING THE COUNCIL TO EXPAND THE UGB EVER.
AND IF THEY DID EXPAND IT AT SOME POINT, IT'S NOT OBLIGATING TO, UH, UH, EXPAND ALL THE WAY OUT TO THAT HALF A MILE RADIUS.
IT IS GIVING, IT IS, IT IS ALLOWING THAT FLEXIBILITY FOR THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER THAT IN THE FUTURE.
IS THE FLEXIBILITY FIVE ACRES OR WHAT IS THE ACRES THAT CAN BE BROUGHT IN AT ONE TIME? SO IT'S, INSTEAD OF THE WHOLE CIRCLE, IT'S UP TO 140 ACRES AND THE, THE, LIKE WHAT DYLAN JUST READ THE RAILROAD TRACKS CORONA ELI, AND AS IT CURRENTLY WAS SET UP THAT, THAT NORTHERN PARCEL.
SO IT GIVES THE FLEXIBILITY FOR THAT WHOLE AREA TO COME IN, BUT IT DOES NOT OBLIGATE THE COUNCIL TO BRING THAT WHOLE AREA IN TO EXPAND THE UGB FOR THAT WHOLE AREA.
WELL, EVEN THE 1500 IS PROBLEMATIC.
I THINK THE WAY THE CIRCLE IS, I'D FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE IF, UM, AT LEAST THREE OR FOUR OF THE PARCELS WERE WITHIN THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY.
AND THEN THE OUTER CIRCLE, I UNDERSTAND IT HAS TO BE A SEVEN, SIX VOTE.
I JUST FEEL LIKE WE'RE JUST REALLY INFRINGING ON A RURAL PART OF OUR COMMUNITY.
AND WHERE DO YOU DRAW THAT LINE? AND I, BUT YET I FEEL LIKE THE PARCELS CLOSEST TO THE RAIL STATION SHOULD BE INCLUDED READY TO GO WHEN THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARIES PASSED.
BUT THE REMAINDER, I MEAN, YOU'D HAVE TO BRING IN LAND.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE WAY I'M LOOKING AT THE MAP IS SOME OF THE PARCELS, YOU KNOW, PART ARE IN AND PART ARE OUT.
AND I DON'T THINK WE WANNA LEAVE IT THAT WAY.
UH, UH, THAT'S, YEAH, THAT'S WHY WE'VE PRESENTED IT.
WE'VE PRESENTED IT AS THE HALF MILE AND WE'VE ALSO ACKNOWLEDGED THAT IT'S, IT'S SLIGHTLY MORE THAN THE HALF MILE.
IF YOU DON'T WANNA HAVE THAT SAW TOOTH ON ELI AND IT'S BRINGING IN PARCELS THAT EVEN IF A PART OF IT IS TOUCHED BY THAT LINE, THE WHOLE PARCEL COULD BE BROUGHT IN.
BUT IF, IF THERE IS A DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATION THEN THAT CAN BE FORWARDED TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR ULTIMATE.
WE CAN'T DRAW THAT CIRCLE TONIGHT TO, TO SEE IT
WELL, I'M NOT SURE WHAT, I'M NOT SURE WHERE TO DRAW THAT CIRCLE.
LIKE IF THERE ARE SPECIFIC PARCELS THAT YOU WANNA START, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT, WE CAN DO THAT.
BUT I PROBABLY THAT WOULD BE, UM, SOMETHING FOR THE, FOR THE GROUP TO TALK ABOUT WHEN IT'S BACK FOR COMMENTS.
I I WAS JUST GONNA ASK HOW FUNCTIONALLY HOW DOES THE EXERT THE CIRCLE AT THIS STAGE IMPACT WHAT COULD BE LATER BROUGHT IN WITH THE SPECIFIC PLAN? UM, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT WE MAKE THAT CIRCLE HALF MILE OR 1500 FEET, WE'RE NOT EXPANDING IT NOW.
NONE OF THOSE PARCELS ARE GONNA BE ADDED.
NOW WE'RE KIND OF MAKING HASH MARKS FOR, YOU KNOW, THE FUTURE, UM, WHEN THAT SPECIFIC PLAN IS DONE.
SO THE SIZE OF THAT CIRCLE, THE SIZE OF THOSE HASH MARKS, HOW DOES THAT IMPACT DOWN THE TRACK WHEN WE ACTUALLY EXPAND THE UGB IN THE CONTEXT OF A SITE SPECIFIC PLAN? IS IT ADD THAT MUCH MORE MONEY? IT'S A MAXIMUM.
SO IF, IF THAT, OKAY, THE ONE 40 ACRES IS THE MAXIMUM, NO ONE 40 IS THE MAXIMUM.
AND THOSE BOUNDARIES, WE TRIED TO WRITE IT IN TWO WAYS, RIGHT? WE TRIED TO WRITE IT IN, YOU KNOW, A A GEOGRAPHICAL KIND OF BOUND
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OF CORONA SMART ELI AND THAT NORTHERN PARCEL.AND THEN WE ALSO PUT THE ACREAGE IN AS THE ONE 40 MAXIMUM.
SO THAT'S CREATING THE MAXIMUM.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IS WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN.
IT MEANS THAT THERE'S THE POTENTIAL FOR THE COUNCIL TO DO THAT IN THE FUTURE.
UH, SO I ACTUALLY, I WANTED TO ASK THE COUNCIL MEMBER, 'CAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I I UNDERSTOOD THE QUESTION THAT YOU WERE ASKING BEFORE.
UM, ARE, ARE YOU ASKING THEM TO DRAW A NEW KIND OF A, A DIFFERENT DEFINITIVE CIRCLE IN BETWEEN SOMETHING THAT'S NOT AS FAR AS THE HALF MILE? OR WAS IT MORE TO ADJUST THE LINES SO THEY ACTUALLY MATCH THE PARCELS WE'D BE LOOKING AT AS OPPOSED TO A CIRCLE? IT'S MORE ADJUSTING THE LINES FOR THE PARCELS.
AND, BUT I STILL HAVE CONCERN ABOUT THE HALF MILE.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO CLARIFY.
AND SO THAT'S WHY I'M THINKING ADJUSTING THE LINES.
BECAUSE WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS MAP AND WHERE THE ROUNDABOUT IS, IT SEEMS LIKE PARTIAL THE THREE PARCELS IN A ROW, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A FOUR SMALL ONE THERE.
AND THE WAY THE CIRCLE IS, THE TOPS OF THOSE PARCELS ARE NOT IN IT.
BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING A SPECIFIC PLAN, ARE WE DOING A SPECIFIC PLAN FOR THE, SAY IF WE WENT TO THE HALF MILE BUT EXTENDED THE 1500, THE SPECIFIC PLAN IS FOR THE HALF MILE WE COULD LOOK AT THIS SPECIFIC PLAN.
I THINK THERE'S THE FLEXIBILITY IN THE SPECIFIC PLAN TO LOOK AT WHATEVER THE MAXIMUM THAT WOULD BE IN THE BALLOT MEASURE WOULD BE.
SO THIS IS, IF, IF THE WAY THAT THE UM, PROPOSAL IS WRITTEN, ALL OF THESE PARCELS THAT ARE SHOWN IN THIS RIGHT, COULD RIGHT.
COME WHICHEVER PARCELS TOUCH NOT THE HALF OF THE PARCEL.
SO THIS IS THE WAY IT'S, SO WE'RE REALLY ADDING PARCELS ON ELI ROAD, RIGHT? IT'S THE BLUE PARCELS, IT'S THOSE FIVE BLUE ONES THAT THE HALF MILE RADIUS DOES NOT TOUCH, BUT THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, IT INCLUDES THEM IN ORDER TO CREATE THAT CONTINUOUS LINE.
IS IS THERE A VERSION OF, AND AND I APOLOGIZE IF THIS WAS ASKED FOR EARLIER.
IS THERE A VERSION OF PARTICULARLY A MAP LIKE THIS THAT'S ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THE PARCELS THAT COULD BE ADDED THAT WOULD REFLECT WHAT JUST THE 1500 WOULD LOOK LIKE? UM, WELL, UM, NO, NOT TO THAT DETAIL, BUT YOU CAN SEE HERE.
OH, BUT IT WOULD BE THAT SECOND LINE, THIS CHUNK.
SO YOU KIND OF EXTRAPOLATE A LITTLE BIT.
I, I CAN SEE THAT WE'RE BOTH BUMPING UP ON THE NATURAL CONCERN TO MAKE SURE, AS MANY HAVE COMMENTED THAT WE'RE NOT HITTING THE SLIPPERY SLOPE OF ACCIDENTALLY ALLOWING FAR TOO MUCH DEVELOP, FAR MORE DEVELOPMENT THAN WE WOULD MEAN, AND AT THE SAME TIME BUMPING INTO THE MISUNDERSTANDING OF HOW THE, THE DOTTED LINES CIRCULAR MAP WORKS.
SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
UM, I'M NOT GONNA TAKE UP TOO MUCH TIME.
I WANNA MAKE SURE I GET TO THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS.
UH, JUST THE CLARIFICATION, WHAT IS THE, THE PHYSICAL AND LEGAL LOGIC BEHIND THE RADIUS? UM, IT'S, IT, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, IT'S CREATING A, A WALKABILITY THAT A HALF MILE IS AN ASSUMED WALKABILITY TO TRANSIT, BUT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH STREETS OR PIT WALKWAYS OR TRAILS OR JUST, IT'S JUST A DISTANCE.
RIGHT? WELL, N NO, BUT WHEN WE'RE PLANNING IN THE SPECIFIC PLAN, WE COULD THEN HAVE THE ABILITY TO LOOK AT STREET NETWORKS AND YOU KNOW, IN THIS AREA, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE RADIUS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME.
THE THE EXISTING ROAD SYSTEM DOES EXISTING DEVELOPMENT, UH, BOUNDARIES DO.
AND IT SEEMS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE STREET IS THAT GOES EAST, WEST CORONA THAT GOES EAST, WEST CORONA, YEAH.
ON THE EDGE OF THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE CIRCLE.
IF, IF YOU WENT UP CORONA TO THE END OF EXISTING DEVELOPMENT ON THE, ON THE EAST END, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
AND THEN IF YOU WENT NORTH AND CAME BACK TO THE RAIL SYSTEM WITH THE SAME ACREAGE THAT YOU HAVE HERE, SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE MUCH MORE LOGICAL FOR
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PLANNING AND FOR ACCESS AND FOR, FOR ROAD SERVICE AND FOR UTILITIES AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS.UH, BECAUSE THE RADIUS DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE ANY, ANY LOGICAL IN TERMS OF BOUNDARIES OR, UM, BUT I THINK THE EXISTING ROAD SYSTEM AND THE HAS A LOT.
I THINK THAT, UM, I MEAN ALL THOSE FOUR BLUE LOTS, IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE NOT IN SHOULD BE IN, BUT MAYBE YOU REDU YOU CHANGE THE BOUNDARY TO END UP WITH THE SAME AMOUNT OF ACREAGE, BUT DIFFERENT PARCELS.
BUT I, I STILL THINK THAT THAT WHOLE EDGE ALONG EXISTING DEVELOPMENT IS A LOGICAL PLACE TO DEVELOP AS OPPOSED TO PRESERVE OPEN SPACE.
YOU'RE SAYING GO FURTHER EAST ON CORONA AS OPPOSED TO FURTHER NORTH.
YEAH, BUT BUT WITH THE SAME AMOUNT OF TERRITORY.
I I, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S WORKED OUT.
ACCESS FROM ELI OR FROM FROM CORONA? YEAH.
I, I, I CAN'T ANSWER THAT OFF THE, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE COUNTY, COUNTY PARCELS.
UM, SO, BUT, BUT AS FAR AS PEDESTRIAN WALKABILITY, THEY'RE GONNA WALK WHERE THE STREETS GO OR WHERE THE TRAILS GO AND IT'S NOT A RADIUS, IT'S ZIGZAG.
AND THAT ZIGZAG MAY END UP TO BE A DIFFERENT RADIUS IN REALITY THAN WHAT WE'RE SHOWING AGREED WITH.
AND THE SPECIFIC PLAN WOULD THEN BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY PLAN SOME OF THIS OUT.
THIS ISN'T, THIS IS NOT THIS AREA JUST BETWEEN THE SIZE OF THE LOTS, THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE DENSITY OF DEVELOPMENT IS NOT PROBABLY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'RE GONNA WANNA SEE AND THE DENSITIES WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO COMMIT TO, UM, TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE STATE AROUND OUR STATION.
AND, AND ALSO IT SEEMED LIKE FROM A, FROM A COUNCIL WOMAN'S VIEWPOINT, UM, IT WOULD BE LESS IF, IF WE RAN PARALLEL TO POLLAN AND, AND UM, HAD LESS NORTHERN EXPANSION, IT WOULD BE MORE SENSITIVE TO OPEN SPACE, A COHESIVE OPEN SPACE AND MORE, I THINK MORE SENSITIVE TO THE ENVIRONMENT AND IT WOULD PUT DEVELOP DEVELOPMENT NEXT TO DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS, UH, WHAT MORE LOGICAL IN MY MIND.
UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, DID YOU WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING? NO, I'M, NO.
UM, ASSUMING THAT WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED PASSES, COULD YOU WALK US THROUGH THE PROCESS TO EXPAND THE UGB FOR THIS? WHAT IS BEING HIGHLIGHTED AS A HATCHED AREA? UM, SURE.
UM, SO ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE THOUGHT IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO LOOK AT THIS IS BECAUSE OF THE MOVEMENT WITH THE STATION, THE SPECIFIC PLAN EFFORT THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO UNDERTAKE.
SO THINKING THAT IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE FOR, UH, TO LOOK AT THIS AREA TO EXPAND THIS AREA BEFORE WE'VE DONE THE PLANNING PROCESS, THE VISIONING PROCESS.
AND THERE IS EVEN A REFERENCE IN THE, UM, IN THE GENERAL PLAN TO DOING A SPECIFIC PLAN TO BEST UNDERSTAND THE VISION BEFORE EXPANDING FOR A A, A REASON.
SO THE MOST LOGICAL SEQUENCING OF EVENTS WOULD BE THAT A UGB EXPANSION IN THIS AREA WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED UNTIL ADOPTION OF A SPECIFIC PLAN THAT LAYS OUT THE VISION FOR THE AREA.
AND ONCE WE HAD THAT VISION, IT WOULD BE THE SIXTH SEVENTH VOTE, IT WOULD REQUIRE A SIXTH, SEVENTH VOTE OF THE COUNCIL.
AND AM I CORRECT IN UNDERSTANDING THAT ANY TYPE OF UGB EXPANSION WOULD SORT OF HAVE THE SAME LIKE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS TO CORRECT? YES MA'AM.
IT DOESN'T, THERE'S NOTHING IN THE UGB UM, LANGUAGE THAT SAYS ANY AREA TO BE CONSIDERED AT ANY TIME FOR A UGB EXPANSION REQUIRES A SPECIFIC PLAN.
UM, BUT UM, IT WOULD REQUIRE A SIX SEVEN VOTE AND IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, UP TO THE COUNCIL TO DETERMINE THAT IT MEETS ONE OF THOSE EXCEPTION AREAS MEETS THE FINDINGS IN THAT, IN THOSE EXCEPTION AREAS.
SO JUST SO I'M CLEAR, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE SORT OF JUST LIKE AT ODDS WITH THE CALENDAR AND THE BALLOT MEASURE THAT WE SORT OF NEED TO LIKE SET OURSELVES UP TO HAVE THE UGB EXTENDED BY THE VOTERS THIS NOVEMBER, BUT BAKING IN
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THE CORRECT NUMBERS BASED ON ACREAGE AND SUCH, SO THAT ASSUMING THAT WE DO DO THAT SPECIFIC PLAN FOR CORONA STATION AND WANT TO HAVE OUR TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, WE'VE GOT THE FLEXIBILITY TO PASS THAT.AND ONE OF THE REASONS WE DIDN'T WANT TO ACTUALLY DO AN EXPANSION OF THE UGB RIGHT NOW IS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A CLEAR VISION FOR THAT AREA.
AND SO ONCE IT IS IN OUR UGB, IT'S, IT'S AN ANNEXATION AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S IT A LOWER, A LOWER BAR FOR FOR MOVEMENT.
AND SO WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS, IT SEEMS ESSENTIAL IF WE'RE GOING TO, IF THE CITY AND THE COUNCIL ARE GOING TO CONSIDER ANY SORT OF UGB EXPANSION, WE WANNA KNOW THAT WE KNOW AND WE HAVE THE RIGHT REGULATIONS AND MINIMUM DENSITIES AND MAXIMUM DENSITIES AND WE'VE GOT THAT ALL IN PLAY.
THAT ALL MAKES SENSE AND I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT WE'RE DOING A PLAN
I, I CAN'T HELP BUT BRING UP IN, IN THE SHADOW OF THESE MAPS THAT THE MAJORITY OF OUR 15 MINUTE CITIES TALK ABOUT THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE.
SO WHY DON'T WE DRAW THE CIRCLE THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE
WE WERE FOLLOWING WHAT IS AN ACCEPTABLE KIND OF STANDARD PLANNING PROCESS FOR STATION AREAS.
UH, HAS THERE BEEN ANY MAPPING AROUND THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE AND HOW THAT WOULD IMPACT OUR, WHICH PARCELS WE HIT THERE HAS NOT BEEN, WE WERE ALSO FOLLOWING COUNCIL FEEDBACK IN, IN LOOKING AT THE HALF MILE.
SO WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT FROM A PROCESS STAND STANDPOINT GIVEN OUR TIGHT DEADLINES.
IS THAT A CHANGE THAT COULD BE ENTERTAINED, DO YOU THINK? UM, I THINK IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WANTED TO FORWARD A RECOMMENDATION TO EVALUATE AND CONSIDER A THREE QUARTER MILE, WE COULD PREPARE THAT AS ANOTHER POSSIBILITY FOR THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER.
I WOULD MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE AT THAT STAGE YET.
ALSO, I WOULD ASK IF FOLKS CAN SPEAK A LITTLE LOUDER INTO THEIR MICS.
I'VE GOTTEN A FEW TEXTS ALREADY ABOUT MUMBLING, SO, UM, I DO HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS TO FOLLOW UP ON A FEW OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SAID.
I TAKE IT THE REAL GOAL OF THE HALF MILE IS TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF TRANSPORTATION DOLLARS CORRECT.
AND TO SUPPORT THE SMART STATION RIDERSHIP.
BUT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF A HEAVY AMOUNT OF TRANSPORTATION DOLLARS AND I'M, I'M ALSO ASSUMING THAT WE CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE HALF MILE BY ALLOWING IT HERE, BUT HAVING OUR OWN SPECIFIC PLANNING PROCESS THROUGH THE GRANT, NOT AT ALL GO THAT FAR AND STILL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE, THE POTENTIAL MONEY.
AND ANOTHER PIECE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THERE IS, UM, TRANSIT ORIENTED COMMUNITIES POLICY, AM I GETTING THAT ACRONYM RIGHT, ANDREW? WHERE WITHIN CERTAIN RADIUS OF TRANSIT, UH, THERE ARE MINIMUM DENSITIES AND INTENSITIES, FLOOR AREA RATIOS AND DENSITIES THAT THE STATE IS LOOKING FOR IN ORDER TO STAY COMPETITIVE FOR FUNDS.
AND I BELIEVE IN THIS AREA IT'S A MINIMUM OF 25 UNITS AN ACRE, I BELIEVE IS WHAT THIS AREA IS, BUT DON'T.
BUT UM, SO THAT IS ANOTHER THING WE'RE LOOKING AT IS WE WANNA MAKE SURE ANYTHING WE DO DO IN THE FUTURE AND MOVING FORWARD THAT WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE MEETING THOSE REQUIREMENTS SO WE CAN STAY ELIGIBLE FOR FUNDING.
AND I, SO REALLY IN THE LONG RUN, THIS ALLOWS US TO HAVE OUR CAKE AND EAT IT TOO WHEN IT COMES TO WANTING TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR FUNDING AND AT THE SAME TIME BE INTENTIONAL ABOUT HOW WE LOOK AT COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
AND TO CONTINUE TO BE, UM, COMMITTED TO LOCATING HOUSING AND SERVICES AND EMPLOYMENT IN PROXIMITY TO TRANSIT.
SO THAT WE CAN KEEP OUR UGB SO WE CAN
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KEEP FROM GROWING OUTWARD AND BEING REALLY FOCUSED AND INTENTIONAL ON THAT.UH, AND THEN A DIFFERENT QUESTION THIS GOES IS BASED OFF, UH, COMMISSIONER MOSES' COMMENTS, BUT ALSO BASED ON, UH, SOME OF ROGER'S QUESTIONS AS WELL.
UH, JUST LOOKING AT EVEN THIS IMAGE, IT'S CLEAR TO ME THAT YOU'VE GOT THE UGB PARCELS THAT ARE KIND OF WITHIN THE IMMEDIATE AREA AND THEN THE REST BEING COUNTY LAND THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT'S KIND OF OUTSIDE OF THE NATURAL EXPANSION.
I TAKE IT, EVEN IF WE DID START TO LOOK AT THREE-FOURTHS OF A MILE OR START TO LOOK AT A DIFFERENT SHAPE, SO TO SPEAK, WE'D RUN INTO MORE, MORE ISSUES TRYING TO EXPAND THAT WAY.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST, IT'S EXPANDING MORE AND BIGGER.
SO WE ALSO, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT AT IF, IF AND WHEN WE'RE STARTING TO LOOK AT EXPANSION, WE'RE GONNA NEED TO WORK WITH, WITH OUR COLLEAGUES WITH THE COUNTY RIGHT.
UM, SO THAT PROCESS IS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING, RIGHT.
THAT HASN'T LIKE KICKED OFF BECAUSE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGE AT THIS POINT TO THOSE BOUNDARIES.
SO BY STAYING AS COMPACT AS WE ARE AND AS TARGETED AS WE ARE WITH THIS POTENTIAL BOUNDARY, WE'RE AVOIDING MULTIPLE LAYERS OF COMPLICATION AND THEN MULTIPLE BARRIERS TO TRYING TO GET TO WHATEVER THAT VISION MIGHT BE.
AND WE'RE STILL, WE'RE STILL COMMITTED TO WORKING WITH LAFCO AND THE COUNTY EVEN WITH THIS.
BECAUSE AFTER OUR UGB UM, WAS ADOPTED, UH, THE SPHERE OF INFLUENCE WAS CHANGED.
AND SO WHEN IN THE FUTURE WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT AN EXPANSION, IF AND WHEN WE LOOK AT AN EXPANSION, UH, WE WOULD ALSO BE WORKING TO MODIFY THAT SPHERE OF INFLUENCE TO THOSE BOUNDARIES.
REALLY QUICK, I'VE GOT A TECHNICAL THING.
I'M BEING TOLD THAT THE MEETING IS NOT STREAMING ONLINE AND I JUST WENT TO THE SITE AND IT INDEED SAYS THE EVENT HAS FINISHED AND WE'RE NOT STREAMING TO THE PUBLIC.
SO I JUST WANTED TO FLAG THAT FOR THANK YOU STAFF.
ARE WE, WE, DO WE HAVE AN ISSUE? IT DOES SAY LIVE ON MY END, BUT I'LL REACH OUT TO IT ABOUT THIS.
ARE WE, ARE WE STREAMING ON YOUTUBE? AT LEAST THAT, THAT'S THE ONE I JUST BROUGHT UP AND IT SAYS THE EVENT HAS FINISHED ENDED AT SIX 30.
SO NO, 'CAUSE IT, IT NORMALLY DOES STREAM TO YOUTUBE.
THAT'S WHERE I GET AN INTERESTING NUMBER OF TEXT MESSAGES FROM FOLKS TAKE NO, THAT'S THE TWO THINGS WHEN WE CONNECTED.
I WANNA MAKE SURE WE CAN TAKE A BREAK IF YOU'D LIKE TO.
FIGURE WE'RE GONNA, I, WE DON'T HAVE A REQUIREMENT TO STREAM, SO WE, WE MAY NOT HAVE A REQUIREMENT TO STREAM, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY AND I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THIS DISCUSSION.
SO, UH, HOW LONG OF A BREAK WOULD YOU RECOMMEND? WELL GIVE US, UH, LET'S TAKE FIVE MINUTES AND THEN WE'LL REPORT BACK.
FIVE MINUTE BREAK TO GET OUR TECHNICAL ISSUES UNDER WRAPS,
I HAVE BEEN INFORMED THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY KIND OF A REPEAT OF A PROBLEM.
WE HAD, I THINK A FEW MONTHS BACK NOW.
MM-HMM,
THERE IS NO GUARANTEED TIMELINE ON GETTING THE STREAMING ELEMENT OF THIS FIXED TONIGHT.
SO WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO IS WHAT THEY DID LAST TIME, WHICH IS IT'LL TAKE THE RECORDING AND IT'LL GET POSTED TOMORROW.
SO YOU CAN STILL WATCH IT, YOU SHOULD STILL BE ABLE TO WATCH IT IF YOU'RE WATCHING WITHIN THE KIND OF BROADCAST ON THE CITY SITE.
BUT IN TERMS OF BEING POSTED ON YOUTUBE OR ELSEWHERE, THAT'LL HAVE TO POP UP TOMORROW.
OTHERWISE WE'D HAVE TO ESSENTIALLY CALL THE MEETING OFF AND UNTIL ANOTHER DATE.
SO FOR, FOR EVERY, FOR THE, FOR THE FOLKS WHO MIGHT BE WATCHING THIS TOMORROW, UM, UH, AND I'LL SAY THIS, I'LL MAKE SURE TO FOLLOW UP FIRST THING IN THE MORNING TO FIND OUT WHEN AND WHEN THIS IS RECORDED SO WE MAKE SURE THAT FOLKS HAVE ACCESS CHAIR HOOPER.
AS WE RESTART, UH, THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE UGBI JUST WANNA, I WANNA MAKE SURE I'M SAYING THIS.
AND EVERYONE IS UNDER, LIKE UNDERSTANDING THAT WHEN
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WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE POSSIBLE UGB EXPANSION AREA NEAR THE NORTH STATION, RIGHT.NOTHING THAT IS BEING PROPOSED AS PART OF THIS BALLOT MEASURE IS EXPANDING THE UGB OR COMMITTING THE CITY TO EXPAND THE UGB.
IT IS ESTABLISHING A POLICY THAT GIVES THE OPTION TO LOOK AT THAT IN THE FUTURE.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S REALLY CLEAR.
WITH A SIX TO SEVEN VOTE WITH A SIX SEVENTH VOTE, IT'S AN AREA INFLUENCE CONSISTENT WITH THE FINDINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED IN THE, IN THE BALLOT MEASURE, WHICH IS THE SAME FINDINGS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THOSE CHANGING FROM POTENTIAL 1500 TO HALF MILE, THOSE THINGS.
BUT OTHERWISE IT'S, I JUST WANNA BE SUPER CLEAR THAT THIS, THIS PROPOSAL IN AND OF ITSELF IS NOT DOING THAT NOW IS NOT OBLIGATING THE CITY TO DO IT, IT IS CREATING A FRAMEWORK THAT WOULD ALLOW THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER THAT IN THE FUTURE, IF SO DESIRED.
AND THIS IN TURN, THAT ALLOWS THE CITY IN THE MEANTIME TO DO A SPECIFIC PLAN MAKING USE OF THE MTC GRANT MONEY TO LOOK AT WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE.
AND I TAKE IT, AND THIS WAS THE QUESTION I WAS ASKING BEFORE, BUT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO MAKE THIS PART CLEAR BECAUSE I, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR UNDERSTANDING WHERE THERE'S THE BENEFIT OF THE HALF MILE, BUT THAT DOESN'T COMMIT US TO ANYTHING WHICH IS THE HALF MILE GIVES US THE TRANSIT DOLLARS, GIVES US THE ACCESS TO THAT.
BUT SHOULD OUR SPECIFIC PLAN BE FOR A MUCH SMALLER AREA, SAY THE ORIGINAL 1500 RADIUS IN TERMS OF POTENTIAL EXPANSION THAT THE COUNCIL MIGHT DECIDE TO DO DOWN THE ROAD, WE STILL HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE DOLLARS.
WHAT I WOULD NEED TO DO IS LOOK BACK AT THE SPECIFICS OF THE MTC GRANT, JUST TO CONFIRM THAT.
UM, UH, BECAUSE I THINK OUR PROPOSAL WAS TO LOOK AT THE PDA AREA.
AND SO I, I JUST WANNA BE REALLY CLEAR THAT NO, I'M, I'M GRATEFUL.
I CAN'T SAY LIKE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD THE DOLLARS NO, OF COURSE.
NO, AND I'M, I'M, I'M GLAD THAT YOU'RE BEING THIS CLEAR BECAUSE I AM ALSO IN THE CAMP OF FOLKS WHO I, I HAVE THIS, THE SLIPPERY SLOPE CONCERNS IN MY HEAD.
I'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME FIGHTING FOR URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARIES HERE AND ELSEWHERE.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE'RE GOING FOR THE HALF MILE BECAUSE IT OPENS UP ACCESS TO DOLLARS, THAT'S GREAT, BUT I DON'T WANT THAT TO MEAN THAT OUR SPECIFIC PLAN HAS TO ACCOUNT FOR A HALF MILE WHETHER WE WANT IT OR NOT.
UM, THAT, OH, AND ONE OTHER, I I AGREED WITH, UM, COMMISSIONER SEN'S COMMENT ON PAGE SIX FOR THE LANGUAGE OF THE ORDINANCE.
I I CAN ALREADY TELL THAT YOU'RE NODDING YOUR HEAD LIKE YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE.
WOULD THOSE, UH, LANGUAGE CHANGES BE A PROBLEM, UH, TO, UH, THE LOW DENSITY NEXT TO THE, THE, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? I THINK INSTEAD OF SAYING SHELBY OF LIMITED DENSITY, SHELBY OF APPROPRIATE DENSITY AS SHOWN IN THE GENERAL PLAN THIS MATTER NO.
THAT WE COULD INCLUDE THAT AS, AS PART OF THE RECOMMENDATION IF IT GETS TO THAT THIS EVENING.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, 'CAUSE I BUMPED UP AGAINST THAT AS WELL.
UM, THAT, THAT'S IT FOR ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAD.
WERE THERE ANY OTHER FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS FOR FOLKS SINCE WE'RE KIND OF BACK FROM BREAK? GO AHEAD.
UM, UM, OF THESE, UM, THE AREAS THAT WERE BEING, UM, DELETED FROM THE TEXT, UM, THOSE THREE OTHER AREAS WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER WHERE THE SHADED PARCELS.
UM, HAS THERE BEEN ANY FEEDBACK FROM THE PROPERTY OWNERS IN THOSE AREAS? UH, NO.
WE DID RECEIVE A LETTER THIS AFTERNOON FROM THE, UH, THE, UH, COUNCIL REPRESENTING THE PROPERTY AT, I BELIEVE IT'S LAKEVILLE AND FRES, UM, THAT, THAT THEY, THEY DON'T WANT TO BE REMOVED AS A POTENTIAL AND KIND OF TO MY POINT, THAT EVEN IF IT IS REMOVED AS A IDENTIFIED POTENTIAL AREA, THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY COULDN'T APPLY FOR AN EXPANSION UNDER ONE OF THE EXCEPTIONS THAT'S CURRENTLY LAID OUT.
UH, COMMISSIONER MOSES, JUST A QUICK ONE.
WE'RE LOOKING TO ALIGN THIS WITH THE NEXT GENERAL PLAN 2050.
IS THERE ANY UTILITY IN HAVING A, A BIGGER BUFFER TO, I OBVIOUSLY THIS YEAR'S GENERAL PLAN HAS GOTTEN PROTRACTED AND NOW WE'RE RUSHING TO GET OURSELVES ON THE BALLOT.
IS THERE, IS THERE ANY, UM, EASE
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THAT WE COULD BRING TO FUTUREANY OTHER QUE COMMISSIONER KUSON? UH, JUST A QUICK ONE.
SO WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PROPERTY OWNERS AFFECTED BY THEIR SHADED AREAS BEING REMOVED.
IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT THEY WOULD FALL UNDER THE OTHER EXCEPTIONS POTENTIALLY, BUT INSTEAD OF THE 10 ACRES THAT THEY WERE PREVIOUSLY KIND OF ALLOWED TO ADD WITHIN A YEAR'S TIME, UNDER THE EXCEPTION WHERE THEY WERE THAT HASH MARKED AREA, THEY'RE NOW MORE LIKELY TO FALL INTO THAT FIVE ACRE PER YEAR CATEGORY? IS THAT NOT QUITE? LET ME PULL THEM UP.
AND IF IT'S A REALLY LONG, I DIDN'T WANT TO GET LOST DOWN A RABBIT HOLE.
I JUST WANTED TO SEE HOW, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THIS ACTUALLY IS A LITTLE MORE RESTRICTIVE TO HOW MUCH COULD COME IN AT THOSE AREAS WHILE, YOU KNOW, THE HASH MARKS JUST DELINEATED AREAS WE THOUGHT WOULD BE SMART.
IT DIDN'T IMBUE PROPERTY RIGHTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THAT EXCEPTION ALLOWED FOR MORE ACREAGE PER YEAR THAN THE OTHER ONES IS THAT, UM, IT DID ALLOW, IT ALLOWED A HUNDRED ACRES.
UM, BEFORE 2025, BUT, SO THROUGH THE BUILD OUT OF THE GENERAL PLAN, UM, THE OTHER ONES, I BELIEVE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING EXCEPTION IS FIVE ACRES PER YEAR, BUT IT'S ADDITIVE, YOU KNOW, IS, AND THEN I BELIEVE THE, I BELIEVE THE AGRICULTURAL ONE MIGHT BE 10 ACRES.
UM, I'M TRYING TO LOOK REALLY QUICKLY.
I ACTUALLY DON'T SEE A SIZE LIMIT ON THAT SAME HEATHER.
THE, I DON'T SEE A SIZE LIMIT ON EXCEPTION FOUR, WHICH IS FOR AGRICULTURAL, AGRICULTURAL SUPPORT AND RELATED DEVELOPMENT.
I DON'T SEE A SIZE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS FIVE YEARS, BUT IT'S FIVE YEARS, UM, A YEAR UP TO 50 ACRES, YOU KNOW, OVER TIME IF IT'S NOT USED IN PRIOR YEARS.
SO THERE IS A SLIGHT ACREAGE PER YEAR ALLOWANCE THAT THEY'RE NOT GETTING NOW THAT THEY'RE REMOVED FROM THAT EXCEPTION.
I JUST WANTED TO, I, I WAS READING IT, WANTED TO MAKE SURE I INTERPRETED CORRECTLY, SO THANK YOU.
IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, WE'RE GONNA MOVE, UH, STRAIGHT INTO PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE ARE NOW OFFIC, WE'RE ONLY STREAMING@CITYOFPETALUMA.ORG SLASH MEETINGS.
UH, IT'S NOT JUST THAT WE'RE NOT STREAMING ON YOUTUBE, NOTHING IN THE CITY IS STREAMING ON YOUTUBE RIGHT NOW 'CAUSE OF THIS ISSUE.
SO, UH, IF ANYONE'S GOT A FRIEND THAT THEY KNOW WOULD NORMALLY BE WATCHING TONIGHT, PLEASE TEXT THEM NOW TO HEAD THERE.
OTHERWISE, WE'LL HAVE THIS RECORDING POSTED TOMORROW ON THE REGULAR CHANNELS.
WITH THIS, UH, I'LL OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.
PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON.
IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE SO ALREADY, PLEASE FILL OUT A YELLOW SPEAKER CARD AND BRING IT TO THE CLERK RIGHT OVER THERE.
AND TO KICK THINGS OFF, WE'RE GONNA START WITH ANN HAMILTON.
HI, MY NAME'S ANNIE HAMILTON AND I'M AT THE NORTH BAY RESILIENCE MANAGER FOR GREENBELT ALLIANCE.
UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP THUS FAR IN ENSURING PETALUMA REMAINS A LAND USE LEADER AND APPROVES THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY.
I WOULD LIKE TO URGE YOU IN THE REST OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO TAKE SWIFT ACTION TO PLACE A UGB RENEWAL MEASURE BEFORE THE VOTERS IN THE NOVEMBER 24TH BALLOT TO EXTEND THE LIFE OF THE EXISTING URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY.
SO PETALUMA DOES NOT LOSE IMPORTANT VOTER PROTECTIONS.
TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION CITY COUNCIL TO ACT ON BEHALF OF THE PEOPLE OF PETALUMA TO ENSURE THAT THE OVER THAT ITS URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY, URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY DOES NOT EXPIRE.
SO PETALUMA CAN RETAIN ITS ESSENTIAL VOTER PROTECTIONS FOR DECADES TO COME FROM ENSURING THAT SONOMA COUNTY REMAINS A LAND USE LEADER.
NOW WE'LL HEAR FROM TERRY SHORE.
GOOD EVENING, CHAIR HOOPER PLANNING COMMISSIONERS,
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COUNCIL MEMBER AND STAFF.I AM THE CONSERVATION CHAIR FOR THE REDWOOD CHAPTER OF THE SIERRA CLUB.
FIRST, I WANNA THANK ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR, UM, IN-DEPTH QUESTIONS.
EVERYONE'S OBVIOUSLY DONE THEIR HOMEWORK.
THE STAFF DID A FANTASTIC PRESENTATION, SO THANK YOU.
IT'S BEEN VERY HELPFUL TO THE PUBLIC.
UM, IN GENERAL, UM, SIERRA CLUB SUPPORTS TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT AND CITY CENTERED GROWTH, WHICH, UH, PETALUMA HAS BEEN A, A LEADER IN FOR, FOR DECADES.
SO IN GENERAL, WE DO SUPPORT AND URGE YOU TO PUT THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY ON THE, ON THE BALLOT, UM, AS RECOMMENDED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
UM, I CAN'T OFFICIALLY ENDORSE UNTIL WE SEE THE FINAL LANGUAGE, SO I'M JUST PUTTING THAT CAVEAT OUT THERE.
BUT WE'RE VERY SUPPORTIVE AND, AND HOPE TO WORK WITH YOU TO, TO PASS THE BALLOT MEASURE.
I DID HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, THOUGH, CLARIFICATIONS, UM, ON THE LANGUAGE RE RE RELATED TO SOME OF THE EXCEPTIONS OR EXEMPTIONS.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, LET'S KEEP IN MIND THAT WE DON'T WANNA PUT A TON OF EXEMPTIONS IN THERE BECAUSE OF THE WHOLE POINT OF THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY IS THAT IF WE DO WANNA MAKE CHANGES, WE GO TO THE VOTE OF THE PEOPLE.
SO I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE, THERE IS A NEED FOR CERTAIN EXEMPTIONS.
SOME HAVE BEEN IN THERE FOR 25 YEARS.
UM, BUT A COUPLE OF THINGS IN THERE I WAS WONDERING ABOUT.
WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NORTH, UH, RAIL STATION, IN SOME AREAS IT'S VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT THE NORTH SMART STATION, BUT IN A COUPLE OF AREAS IT JUST SAYS A RAIL STATION.
SO I GUESS I'M, I WONDER, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ANY RAIL STATION? I MEAN, THE CHANCES OF AN ADDITIONAL RAIL STATION BEING BUILT IS PROBABLY A BIT REMOTE.
I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT TWO, ARE YOU GONNA HAVE THREE? BUT I WONDER IF THOSE REFERENCES SHOULD BE MORE SPECIFIC.
ALSO, UM, THE AMOUNT OF ACREAGE THAT IS ALLOWED WITH THE SIXTH SEVENTH VOTE, IF I READ IT CORRECTLY, IS 140 ACRES.
IT WENT FROM A HUNDRED TO 140, I THINK SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT POTENTIAL EXPANSION AREA.
BUT I'M JUST WONDERING, DOES THAT APPLY ELSEWHERE? BECAUSE IT USED TO BE A HUNDRED ACRES.
UM, SO THAT IS A QUESTION I HAVE.
I ALSO WONDER ABOUT THE WORD INDUSTRIAL.
I MEAN, ONE OF THE EXEMPTIONS, THERE'S ONE FOR AG, THERE'S ONE FOR HOUSING.
I JUST WONDER IF INDUSTRIAL SHOULD BE IN THERE.
I MEAN, IS THERE REALLY A NEED FOR INDUSTRIAL GROWTH IN PETALUMA IN THE UGB? UM, SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE CLARIFICATIONS.
I I WAS HOPING, UM, AS APPROPRIATE, UH, COUNCIL MIGHT, I MEAN, COMMISSIONERS MIGHT ASK STAFF TO ANSWER.
SO ONCE AGAIN, SIERRA CLUB, REALLY, THOSE ARE KIND OF MINOR POINTS.
WE REALLY SUPPORT ALL THE WORK OF THE CITY, UM, IN MOVING FORWARD WITH THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY.
AND OUR LAST SPEAKER WILL BE CALLUM WEEKS.
UH, I'LL KEEP THIS BRIEF, UH, SINCE I, I, I UNDERSTAND WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT UGB EXPANSION, UH,
IT IS OF PARAMOUNT IMPORTANCE TO EVERY SINGLE RESIDENT THAT LIVES IN SONOMA COUNTY.
THIS IS SOMETHING I'M PRETTY SURE WE'RE UNITED ON, UH, IN TERMS OF LIKE WANTING TO, TO PRESERVE THE, THE, THE HISTORY AND THE, AND THE, THE, THE VALUE THAT WE, THAT WE DRAW FROM, FROM OUR LANDS HERE.
UH, THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, WE DO LOOK FORWARD TO ENTERTAINING THE CONVERSATION AROUND, UH, DEVELOPING THE AREA AROUND THE, UH, CORONA SMART STATION.
IT'S A, OBVIOUSLY A VERY IMPORTANT SPOT AND IT HAS A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND TO REALLY HELP BOLSTER OUR, OUR, OUR SPINE, UH, OF SONOMA COUNTY, WHICH IS IN FACT OUR SMART TRAIN NOW.
SO I'M, I'M JUST REALLY EXCITED FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY DOWN THE LINE.
AND FOR NOW, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
AND JUST THANK YOU AGAIN FOR, FOR, UH, SUPPORTING THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY.
AND IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS, WE WILL END PUBLIC.
DID WE RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENT ONLINE AHEAD OF THE MEETING? WE RECEIVED, UH, SIX PUBLIC COMMENTS SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS ITEM, ALL OF WHICH HAVE BEEN PUBLISHED ONLINE AND ARE IN THE BACK, UH, FOR VIEWING.
UH, BEFORE WE GET INTO COMMISSIONER COMMENT, IF, IF THE COMMISSIONER WILL, UM, GIVE ME A LITTLE LEEWAY, I'D LIKE TO JUST ASK STAFF TO ADDRESS THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE RAISED IN PUBLIC COMMENT.
UH, FIRST ONE I TOOK DOWN BEING THE LANGUAGE REFERENCE TO A RAIL STATION AS OPPOSED TO THE OTHER PORTIONS WHERE THE SPECIFIC STATION IS REFERENCED.
I ASSUME IT'S REFERENCING THE SAME STATION.
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WAS THERE A REASON FOR THE DISTINCTION? SO ONE THING I WANNA CLARIFY IS WE ARE NOT ADDING ANY EXCEPTIONS RIGHT TO THE EXISTING.THERE ARE FOUR IN THERE CURRENTLY.
SO THERE IS NOT AN ADDITION OF ANY RIGHT.
THE WAY IT IS WRITTEN, AND THE WAY THAT IT IS WRITTEN CURRENTLY IS TALKING ABOUT A 1500 FOOT RADIUS OF A RAIL STATION.
SO THAT CONTINUES TO BE IN THERE.
AND THIS IS A FINDING THAT THE COUNSEL WOULD NEED TO MAKE IN ORDER TO EXPAND THE UGB FOR TRANSIT ORIENTED.
SO IT SAYS THE PARCELS TO BE INCLUDED WITHIN THE UGB WILL BE FOR TRANSIT ORIENTED RESIDENTIAL AND LOCAL SERVING COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
AND AT LEAST A PORTION OF EACH INCLUDED PARCEL MUST BE LOCATED WITHIN A HALF MILE RADIUS OF A RAIL TRANSIT STATION.
THAT'S KEEPING IT GENERAL CONSISTENT WITH THE WAY IT IS.
IF THERE WAS ANOTHER RAIL TRANSIT STATION THAT CAME DOWN THE ROAD AT SOME POINT YEAH, ON THE BORDER OF THE UGB, THAT THAT COULD BE APPLIED TO THAT AND OR WITHIN THE AREA OF THE CITY BORDERED BY CORONA ROAD, ELI ROAD SMART TRACKS AND THAT NORTHERN A PN NUMBER.
SO IT, IT DOES GIVE THE FLEXIBILITY AS IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN TO DO THE ONE SPECIFIC TO CORONA, BUT ALSO ANOTHER ONE IF IT, IF IT HAPPENED.
HOWEVER, IT IS LIMITING NO MORE THAN 140 ACRES MAY BE BROUGHT WITHIN THE UGB FOR THIS PURPOSE BEFORE DECEMBER 31ST, 2050.
SO IF THE CORONA ROAD STATION, THE NORTH PETALUMA STATION, I THINK IS WHAT IT'S CALLED.
AND EVEN IF A THIRD STATION, LET'S SAY, CAME ONLINE IN 2035, UM, IT, WE WOULD'VE USED THAT 140 ACRES THEORETICALLY.
IS THAT RIGHT? DOES THAT CLARIFY? NO, IT DOES.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE APPLYING BOTH A, A SPECIFIC AND ALSO A GENERAL MECHANISM WITHIN KIND OF THE SAME CLAUSE.
LIMITS HOW FAR, HOW FAR, HOW MUCH COULD COME ON COME INTO THE UGB BEFORE THE EXPIRATION OF THE UGB AND THE 140? 'CAUSE THAT WAS THE OTHER QUESTION ASKED.
THE 140 WAS TO ADDRESS THE HALF MILE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THIS AREA, BUT BECAUSE WE'VE GOTTEN RID OF THE OTHER PROPOSED AREAS FROM THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE THAT HAD BEEN DISCUSSED, THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT GOING BACK.
IT'S JUST 140 TOTAL UNDER EXCEPTION THREE FOR TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN, UM, AND I TAKE IT THEN, THE INDUSTRIAL GROWTH, IF THAT, THAT WAS IN THERE TO BEGIN WITH.
SO THIS IS JUST, WE'VE KEPT IT, WE'RE JUST NOT TALKING ABOUT REMOVING IT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT PARTICULAR LEAD.
WERE THERE OTHER COMMENTS THAT COMMISSIONERS HAD RELATED TO THIS BEFORE WE MOVED INTO COMMENT? YEAH.
WAS THE PIECE THERE ABOUT, UH, OFFICE OR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL RAISE THAT COUNCIL PREVIOUSLY OR ANY KIND OF THE LEAD UP? OKAY.
THERE WAS NOTHING SPECIFIC, SPECIFICALLY TALKED ABOUT.
THE ONLY THING THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT WAS WHAT IF WE'RE HAVING A HARD TIME KEEPING UP WITH FUTURE REGIONAL HOUSING NEED ALLOCATIONS, UM, YOU KNOW, TWO OR THREE CYCLES FROM NOW.
UM, BUT BECAUSE THERE IS AN EXCEPTION FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IT, IT GIVES THAT, THAT POSSIBILITY IF WE NEED TO.
HOWEVER, I ALSO WOULD SAY BRINGING AREA INTO THE UGB THEORETICALLY AROUND THE TRANSIT STATION AND RAISING SOME DENSITIES THERE, WHICH WE MET OUR ARENA WITHOUT THAT FOR THIS CYCLE, WOULD GIVE SOME FLEXIBILITY FOR ADDRESSING FUTURE RENA.
UM, WE'RE GONNA MOVE INTO COMMISSIONER COMMENT SINCE I HAVE LARGELY STARTED ON, ON THIS SIDE FOR MOST OF THE MEETING.
I'M NOW GONNA START ON THAT SIDE WITH COMMISSIONER MOSES.
UM, I CAN'T HELP BUT FEEL THE CONFLICT BETWEEN ALL OF OUR TALK OF THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE AND THIS, UH, VERY, UH, PASSIONATE COMMITMENT TO OUR UGB AND NOT WISHING TO, UM,
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EXPAND IT.SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE HERE IN TERMS OF EXPLORING THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE AND KICKING IT TO CITY COUNCIL TO DECIDE.
I MEAN, CITY COUNCIL HAS BEEN A MAIN DRIVER OF THESE 15 MINUTE CITIES, SO IT JUST FEELS REALLY DISINGENUOUS TO ME TO SAY THAT AROUND THAT STATION THAT HAS BEEN ON EVERY MAP AS A BRIGHT RED STAR IS ONLY GONNA HAVE A HALF MILE AROUND IT WHEN ALL OF THE SCOPING HAS BEEN THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE.
UM, BUT AGAIN,
SO, UM, I THINK IT IS WORTH HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE IF WE'RE GONNA KEEP TALKING ABOUT CORONA STATION AS A 50 MINUTE HUB.
RIGHT? YEAH, I'M, I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE, OF THE GROWTH BOUNDARY.
UM, I'M NOT TOO CONVINCED RADIUS OTHER THAN IN CONCEPT, I UNDERSTAND WALKING A QUARTER MILE IN 15 MINUTES, BUT YOU ACTUALLY WALK BY STRAIGHT STREETS OR STRAIGHT TRAILS.
SO I THINK THE SPECIFIC PLAN PROCESS OUGHT TO DETERMINE EXACTLY WHERE THAT BOUNDARY IS BASED ON LOGICAL USE OF EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE, EXISTING CONDITIONS, UM, GROUND CONDITIONS, UH, EXISTING DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU'RE NEXT TO.
I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S MORE THAT NEEDS TO SET THAT BOUNDARY THAT COMES FROM A PLANNING VIEWPOINT THAN JUST FROM A RADIUS VIEWPOINT.
UM, UH, SO I'D LIKE TO SEE, I GUESS IN THE PROCESS OF DEFINING THAT SOME, A CONCEPTUAL SPECIFIC PLAN PROCESS THAT HELPS DEFINE WHAT THAT IS.
UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WRITE THAT INTO THE COUNCIL MEMBER.
I SUPPORT, UM, UPPING THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY.
UM, I AM NOT FEELING REALLY GOOD ABOUT THE THREE QUARTER ONLY BECAUSE IT'S A RURAL AREA, AND I REALLY THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT, YOU KNOW, FROM URBAN TO RURAL, UM, THERE'S A DELINEATION.
UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE 15, UM, 15 AREAS, 1500 KIND OF AUGMENTED, SO PARCELS ARE COMPLETELY INCLUDED IN IT INSTEAD OF GOING OUT TO THE HALF MILE AND THEN HAVING TO BRING THOSE IN.
SO I THINK I'D LIKE TO REALLY LOOK AT HOW THE, UM, THE PARCELS SPECIFIC FOR THE 1500 FEET, IF IT'S JOGGING IT OR CIRCLE OR WHATEVER IT IS, AND POSSIBLY THAT EVEN WITH THE HALF MILE COMMISSIONER KUSON.
AND I JUST WANNA CALL OUT, I THINK THE CHANGES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BY REMOVING OUR THREE OTHER HASHED AREAS AND KIND OF PUTTING THOSE AREAS TO FALL WITHIN OTHER EXEMPTION CATEGORIES POTENTIALLY DOES SIGNAL A KIND OF TIGHTENING OF THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY.
SO I WANTED TO SPEAK TO THAT AS WE TALK ABOUT A SLIPPERY SLOPE.
I MEAN, THIS IS A VERY UNIQUE AREA IN THAT WE HAVE THIS MASSIVE SMART STATION GOING IN.
WE'RE MAKING AN ALLOWANCE FOR THAT.
BUT I THINK BY REMOVING THESE OTHER AREAS FUNCTIONALLY, WE ARE TIGHTENING IT A BIT.
AND TO ME, THAT'S A GOOD SIGN.
AND THEN IT'S ALL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SIGNALING AS A PUBLIC OR AS FOLKS INTERESTED IN THIS, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO KEEP THIS BOUNDARY AND KIND OF MOVING THAT INTO THE FUTURE, I THINK IS THE ONLY THING THAT PREVENTS, UM, A POTENTIAL SLIPPERY SLOPE.
UM, AND I THINK IN THE DISCUSSION OF THE EXACT RADIUS, I, I KIND OF AGREE THAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT MORE BY PARCEL, YOU KNOW, WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THIS, I WOULD RATHER GO LESS, I THINK, THAN MORE I THINK THE HALF MILE TO CATCH ANY POTENTIAL FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES TO BE IN BEST PRACTICE WITH TRANSIT DESIGN WHILE RECOGNIZING IT MIGHT CONFLICT WITH OUR 15 MINUTE NEIGHBORHOOD CONCEPT THAT'S STILL A LITTLE BIT IN FLUX.
UM, I THINK I'D RATHER ERR ON THE SIDE OF KEEPING IT TIGHTER FOR NOW.
UM, I, YOU KNOW, WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THIS MAP AND I'M LOOKING AT THAT RADIUS, I WOULD ALMOST PROPOSE IF WE CAN BRING THE PARCEL MAP UP ON SCREEN REALLY QUICKLY.
MM-HMM,
AND I'M WONDERING KIND OF TWO THINGS.
FIRST OF ALL, IF WE JUST EXCLUDE THAT, UH, AND MAYBE NOT CHANGE OUR ACREAGE LIMIT, UM, TO ACCOMMODATE FOR POTENTIAL EXPANSION, BUT NOT INCLUDE THAT PARCEL SPECIFICALLY, OR IF WE TO ROGER'S POINT, INCLUDE THE PARCELS, THE FOUR PARCELS IN BLUE OVER ON THE RIGHT TO KIND OF MAKE THIS MORE CONTIGUOUS WITH THE STREETS AS KIND OF A WRECK, THE LINEAR DESIGN OR A PLANNING DESIGN PATTERN.
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MOST SUPPORTIVE OF MAKING PARCEL 1 3 7, AND I HATE TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT AS PRESENTER, HEATHER, TO NAVIGATE WITH MY BRAIN HERE, BUT, UH, PARCEL 1 3 7 0 1 1 0 2 8, THE 5.65 ACRE PARCEL, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT AS THE NORTH MOST A PN AND KIND OF KEEP THE REST OF THIS FOOTPRINT.UM, ONLY BECAUSE I THINK OUR RADIUS IS BARELY PICKING UP THAT 19.7 ACRES.
AND I THINK THAT TO ME, SIGNALS A CHANGE TO KIND OF GOING MORE RURAL WHEN YOU GET THIS MUCH BIGGER EXTENDED, UH, PARCEL.
UM, SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE.
SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL END UP DOING A STRAW POLL OR HOW WE'LL WE'LL GET TO THAT, BUT WHICH PARCEL IS THAT? UH, THE 1 3 7? SO IF YOU, IF YOU'RE LOOKING ON THE SCREEN NOW, IT'S THE 1 3 7 0 1 1 0 2 8.
IT'S THE ONE KIND OF RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE, UM, BASICALLY CUTTING OFF THE 19.7 ACRE PARCEL.
SO IF I UNDERSTAND YOU LEAVING EVERYTHING ABSENT THE O2 FIVE, TAKING THAT ONE PARCEL, THAT LONG PARCEL OFF EXACTLY, IT'S KEEPING THE CURRENT, LEAVING THE OH TWO FIVE, BUT I THINK IT MIGHT BE WORTH TOYING WITH THE IDEA OF 0 3 0 0 3 1 0 3 2, 0 3 3 AND 0 3 5 BEING INCLUDED BECAUSE YOU KIND OF GET THIS RECTAL LINEAR BORDER BY ALL THE STREETS, MAYBE THAT'S MORE ATTRACTIVE FOR A SPECIFIC PLAN, AND THEN YOU'RE REALLY ONLY SUBTRACTING FOUR ACRES FROM YOUR TOTAL.
IT'S JUST NOT A NEAT ROUND RADIUS.
SO I WANTED TO INTRODUCE THOSE TWO IDEAS, UH, TO THE COMMISSION AS WELL AS THE, THE THREE QUARTER, UH, MILE IDEA, RICK.
UM, SO I, UH, JOINED MY OTHER COMMISSIONERS AND STRONGLY SUPPORTING THE EXTENSION OF THE UGB TO 2050, UH, AS A DEFINING ELEMENT OF THE, THE CITY'S PLANNING, DNA, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, AS, AS FAR AS A LEGACY AND THEN INTO THE FUTURE.
UM, I THINK IT'S, IT'S VERY REASONABLE TO, UH, EXPAND OR AT LEAST TO ALLOW THE OPTIONALITY TO EXPAND, UM, AT LEAST TO THAT HALF MILE RADIUS IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS AS, UM, A, A COMMON AS MUCH TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, UM, NEAR THAT STATION.
UM, I WOULD SAY AS A MATTER OF PRINCIPLE, UH, I CAN UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THE DEFINITION BY INFRASTRUCTURE, WHETHER IT'S ELI ROAD OR ANY OTHER ACCESS ROADS.
I DO HAVE CONCERNS WHEN WE AS A BODY, WHETHER IT'S THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR THE COUNCIL, START GETTING INTO TOO MUCH OF A, UH, KIND OF DEFINED CARVING OUT.
UM, IF WE DECIDE ON HALF MILE, IT SHOULD BE A HALF MILE.
IF WE DECIDE ON 1500 FEET, IT SHOULD BE 1500 INCLUSIVE OF ALL THE, THE PARCELS IN THAT AREA.
AND IF WE GO TO THREE QUARTERS, IT SHOULD BE THREE QUARTERS.
UM, I THINK WE OPEN UP OURSELVES, UM, TO A LOT OF UNNECESSARY CONFLICT.
UM, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, ARBITRARINESS, UH, IF, IF WE START GETTING TOO DEFINED IN OUR, WITH OUR SCALPEL, UM, LAST POINT IS, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE DELETION OF THOSE, UM, THOSE PROPERTIES IN THE OTHER, UH, LET'S SAY SACRIFICED, UM, HASHED AREAS.
UM, I DIDN'T HEAR A, A, A REALLY STRONG COMPELLING REASON WHY THOSE WOULD BE DELETED.
UM, AND I, I WOULD CONCERN, I, I'M, I'M CONCERNED WITH, AGAIN, THE PRACTICE OF, OF BEING ARBITRARY AND TAKING, UM, YOU KNOW, COMMITMENTS THAT THE CITY HAS MADE IN THE PAST AND THEN CHANGING THOSE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE DEFINING ELEMENTS OF OF THE UGB IS TO DIVINE OF THE AREA WHERE WE WON'T SPRAWL BEYOND.
AND I, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, ALL OF US SUPPORT THAT, AND I THINK THERE'S GOOD REASONS FOR THAT.
I THINK THE INVERSE OF OF THAT IS THAT WE'LL BE DEDICATED IN ALLOWING FOR DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE UGB.
UM, AND I THINK WE HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO PRESERVE THAT BALANCE.
UM, SO, UH, I, I, I, I JUST WANT TO EXPRESS THAT CONCERN AND, AND, AND SEE IF OTHER COMMISSIONERS SHARE THAT.
UM, I'D ALSO, UH, I DIDN'T ASK THIS BEFORE, DURING QUESTIONS, BUT, BUT I'M WONDERING IF, UM, UH, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE CAN, CAN DYLAN, IF YOU CAN COMMENT ON ANY EXPOSURE WE MIGHT HAVE TO A, A TAKINGS CHALLENGE OR ANY LITIGATION, UH, FROM THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS? YEAH, SURE.
IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A, ALMOST A TOTAL DEPRIVATION OF VALUE FOR THAT PROPERTY.
AND JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT IN THE CITY, THEY CAN STILL MAKE MONEY OR THE PROPERTY HAS VALUE IN THE COUNTY.
AND I WOULD SAY, UH, BEING IN THOSE GREAT HATCH MARKS AND KNOWING THAT COUNCIL WOULD STILL NEED TO BE A SIX SEVENTH VOTES THAT DOES INVEST THEM IN, I DON'T THINK THEY CAN RELY ON, YOU KNOW, IT'S PRETTY TENUOUS, SO I'M NOT TOO CONCERNED.
AND YEAH, I WOULDN'T HESITATE ABOUT, UH, OR WORRY ABOUT
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BEING A TAKING.UM, WE WILL DO A FEW STRAW POLLS AFTER THIS, 'CAUSE I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE BEFORE A MOTION'S MADE.
SO, UH, FIRST OF ALL, I JUST REALLY WANTED TO THANK STAFF, THANK THE GREEN BELT ALLIANCE, THANK, UH, SIERRA CLUB AND THE COALITION OF FOLKS WHO HAVE WORKED REALLY HARD TO BRING THIS BACK TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE CONTINUING OUR, UH, URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY.
I, I THINK ONE OF THE NICE THINGS TO, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COMMENTER SAID WAS, WE ALL SEEM TO BE PRETTY UNIFOR UNIFIED ON THIS FRONT.
AND I CAN REMEMBER NOT TOO LONG AGO WHEN WE WEREN'T, UH, I SPENT A CHUNK OF MY TWENTIES, UH, I WORKED FOR SCCA AND JUST FIGHTING FOR URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARIES IN CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTY, FIGHTING FOR THE CONTINUATION OF THE COUNTY'S GREEN BELT, WHICH WHILE DIFFERENT FROM AN URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY IS KIND OF THE INVERSE OF THAT CONCEPT.
UM, AND IT'S, IT'S BEEN INCREDIBLY HEARTENING TO SEE HOW WE AS A COMMUNITY, GIVEN ALL OF THE FIGHTS WE CAN SOMETIMES HAVE, HAVE REALLY COME TOGETHER AROUND THIS IDEA.
AND NOW IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF HOW DO WE WANT TO CONTINUE IT GOING FORWARD.
UM, ONE THING ON WHAT WAS RAISED WITH THE CONFLICT BETWEEN OUR DESIRE FOR TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT OR DESIRE, FOUR 15 MINUTE CITIES, AND THEN THIS A HALF MILE RADIUS RATHER THAN THREE FOURTHS.
UH, ONE OF THE ONLINE COMMENTS I THINK REALLY POINTED TO THIS, AND I WANTED TO SPELL IT OUT HERE, WHEN THE IRM GROWTH BOUNDARIES REALLY STARTED TO ARISE IN THIS COUNTY, THIS GOES BACK TO THE DAYS OF BILL CORDEM, WHO IS A REAL HERO OF MINE.
UH, IT WENT BACK TO THE IDEA OF HOW DO YOU CREATE THESE DIFFERENCES IN SPACES BETWEEN AG LAND, GRASSLAND COMMUNITY PARKS, NATURAL RESOURCES, AND THEN CITY SCAPES.
AND HOW DO YOU HAVE THAT GRADUAL, GRADUAL BARRIER KIND OF EMERGE SO THAT IT'S NOT JUST URBAN, KIND OF A URBAN SPRAWL, AND THEN SUDDENLY YOU MIGHT HAVE A PATCH OF GRASS AND THEN SOME OTHER CITIES, URBAN SPRAWL, RIGHT? WE WANTED TO PROTECT WHAT MADE THIS COUNTY AND THIS AREA SPECIAL.
SO ON ONE HAND, AS A CITY, WE'RE FIGHTING FOR 15 MINUTE NEIGHBORHOODS, WE'RE FIGHTING FOR WALKABILITY.
UH, ONE THING I WOULD, I I WOULD GO BACK TO THOUGH, IS JUST WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY TO BEGIN WITH? IT MAY CREATE A CONFLICT FOR OUR WALKABILITY INTERNALLY.
AND MIND YOU, THIS IS ONLY ONE SPOT WHERE IT CREATES THAT CONFLICT.
BUT IN THE LONG RUN, WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO AVOID A VOID, THAT SLIPPERY SLOPE THAT STARTS TO GET INTO MORE SPRAWL, MORE DEVELOPMENT, MORE CARVES OUT CARVE OUTS HERE AND THERE, WHICH IS WHY I, FOR ONE, REALLY WOULD NOT WANT TO SEE THIS GO TO A THREE-FOURTHS OF A MILE PAST THAT HALF A MILE THAT WE'RE ALREADY TALKING ABOUT.
THE OTHER THING ABOUT THIS WITH THE HALF MILE, UM, I AM, I'LL SAY NOW, I'M, I'M GOOD WITH US KEEPING THAT AS THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION GOING TO COUNCIL.
WHAT I WOULD ASK THOUGH, WHAT I WOULD WANT INCLUDED IS FOR STAFF TO COMMIT TO CONFIRMING THAT QUE THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION OF CAN WE, ARE WE FREE TO PROVIDE A SPECIFIC PLAN IN ANY SHAPE OR DENSITY WE WANT FOR THAT AREA STILL GAIN ACCESS TO THOSE TRANSIT DOLLARS WHILE WITH THIS HALF A MILE RADIUS? OR DOES THE HALF MILE RADIUS GIVING US ACCESS TO TRANSIT DOLLARS MEANS WE HAVE TO DENSIFY AND EXPAND RIGHT UP TO THAT LINE IN THE AREA.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT COMMITTING TO, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHEN THE COUNCIL HAS THIS DISCUSSION AND ULTIMATELY VOTES ON IT, THEY'RE FULLY AWARE OF WHAT THAT COMMITMENT ULTIMATELY LOOKS LIKE.
UH, JUST BECAUSE IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE COMMITTING TO DENSITY NOW, THEN IT'S, IT'S NOT LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF COMMUNITY INPUT COMING IN AHEAD OF TIME IF WE'RE GETTING A SPECIFIC PLAN THAT COMMITS TO THAT OUTLOOK RIGHT AWAY.
UH, AND THEN, AND THEN FINALLY, I DID WANNA POINT OUT, I, I REALLY DO AGREE WITH RICK IN TERMS OF NOT GETTING TOO FAR INTO THE, THE KIND OF CARVE OUTS WITH OUR LINE MATCHING.
WE'RE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AREAS OF DENSITY SPECIFICALLY FOR, SORRY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BOUNDARIES WITHIN A CERTAIN BARRIER, SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE OF ONE POTENTIAL TRANSIT DOLLARS, BUT TWO, BECAUSE OF A UNIFORM STANDARD FOR THE POLICY.
I DO START TO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IF WE'RE JUST CARVING OUT A CHUNK.
BUT I'D BE VERY CURIOUS TO SEE HOW THE REST OF THE COMMISSION FEELS ON THAT.
OVERALL THOUGH, I AM JUST GRATEFUL THAT WE ALL SEEM TO BE UNIFIED IN MOVING THIS FORWARD IN ONE CAPACITY OR ANOTHER.
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LIKE TO TAKE A FEW STRAW POLLS FOR THE COMMISSION SO WE JUST SO THAT WE KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT BEFORE SOMEBODY STARTS MAKING A MOTION, AND THEN WE MIGHT START TRYING TO ADD, SUBTRACT, ET CETERA.SO, UH, TO GET THINGS STARTED, I'D LIKE US TO TAKE A STRAW POLL ON, UH, CUTTING OFF THAT NINE 19.7 PARCEL OFF OF THE EDGE THAT COMMISSIONER KUSON HAD TALKED ABOUT SINCE, I MEAN, TO BE FAIR, IT REALLY IS THAT THAT SMALL CORNER OF THE RADIUS, UM, TWO, TWO STRAW POLES AFTER THAT.
YOU GONNA SAY I'LL BE THE ONE OR OR STRAW POLL? DOES HE ASK AROUND? YES, YES.
UH, DO YOU MIND RUNNING US THROUGH A ROLL CALL ON THIS FOR SUPPORT COMMISSIONER BAUER? ABSENT? COMMISSIONER MOSES, WHY DON'T WE, WELL CHAIR, WHY DON'T WE JUST DO LIKE A, A SHOW OF HANDS RATHER THAN OH YEAH.
PERHAPS CONFUSE WHAT THE ROLL CALL VOTE.
IF YOU JUST RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU'RE IN SUPPORT OF CUTTING OFF THAT 19.7 PARCEL.
ALRIGHT, FOR CLARITY, THAT IS THE EXISTING LANGUAGE MINUS THAT PARCEL, AND I THINK MAYBE DOING THAT NORTH, MOST APN AT THAT MM-HMM,
SO IT IS THE HALF MILE PLUS THE FIVE PARCELS ALONG ELI, BUT MINUS THAT OH TWO FIVE PARCEL THAT THE HALF MILE JUST CUTS INTO.
UH, LIGA TELLS TO TAKE A STRAW POLE ON THE THREE FOURTH MILE IDEA.
RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU SUPPORT TAKING THIS OUT TO THREE FOURTH MILE INSTEAD OF A HALF MILE.
OH NO, THIS WOULD BE TAKING IT OUT TO THREE-FOURTHS OF A MILE.
AND THEN, UH, I, I KNOW RICK TOUCHED ON THIS, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE INCLUDED IT IN THE DISCUSSION.
SO, UH, STRAW POLL ON KEEPING THE PROPERTIES THAT WE HAVE, UM, HASHED OUT THAT WOULD BE REMOVED FROM CONSIDERATION FOR EXPANSION.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE TAKING EVERYBODY'S INPUT IN.
UM, ARE YOU ASKING IF WE WANNA PUT THAT PREVIOUS THREE HATCHES BACK? YES.
SO YES, THAT WOULD BE BRING THEM BACK.
THANK YOU FOR CORRECTING MY TERRIBLE FRAMING WITH THAT.
I THINK WITH THAT I'VE COLLECTED KIND OF EVERYBODY'S MODIFICATIONS OR PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS.
WITH THAT IN MIND, IF THERE ARE NO OTHER COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS, HEATHER? YES.
AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, ALSO UNDER ONE P 36, WHICH IS THAT RIGHT ABOUT THE DENSITY SAYING, UH, IT IS IN THE INTENT OF THE CITY THAT PROJECTS DEVELOPED IN THE CITY OR REQUESTING CITY SERVICES SHALL BE OF APPROPRIATE DENSITY AS SHOWN IN THE GENERAL PLAN LAND USE MAP.
SO INSTEAD OF LIMITED DENSITY WE'RE SAYING OF APPROPRIATE DENSITY RIGHT.
TO CONFORM WITH WHATEVER THAT GENERAL PLAN LAY IS.
AND JUST BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THIS TO LOOK LIKE FAVORITISM BECAUSE I SUPPORT THIS CHANGE, CAN WE ALSO DO A RAISE OF HANDS FOR SUPPORT OF THIS CHANGE? I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO FEEL LIKE WE'RE NOT SO OKAY.
OH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER HAD WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT.
WITH THAT IN MIND, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MOTION THE ITEM WITH, I BELIEVE OUR FOUR VOTE CHANGE REGARDING, UM, A PN 0 11 0 25 AND THE CHANGE TO ONE P 36.
CAN WE TAKE A ROLL CALL? VOTE? SORRY.
COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON? YES.
AND WITH THAT, WE WILL CLOSE OUT THIS HEARING.
WE ARE NOW GOING TO TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK SO FOLKS CAN PREPARE FOR THE NEXT PRESENTATION FOR THE NEXT HEARING
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ON MY COMPUTER.THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE, EVERYONE.
I'M JUST MAKING SURE EVERYONE HAS THE DOCUMENTS THEY NEED ON MY COUNSEL EMAIL OR WHICH WOULD YOU PREFER? UM, COUNSELING.
JUST, OH WAIT, THE OTHER ONE, IT'LL COME UP EASIER.
THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
WE WILL, WE WILL NOW BE GETTING STARTED.
UH, WE HAVE CLOSED MEETING ITEM ONE, AND WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE ON TO MEETING ITEM TWO.
THIS IS A STUDY SESSION RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY OF PETALUMA PLANNING COMMISSION TO CON CONDUCT A STUDY SESSION TO SOLICIT INPUT AND PROVIDE NON-BINDING COMMENTS ON A CONCEPTUAL PROPOSAL FROM GALLAGHER SENIOR LIVING TO DEVELOP A RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY FOR THE EL FOR THE ELDERLY.
LOCATED AT 1221 PETALUMA BOULEVARD NORTH.
NO DISCRETIONARY ACTION IS REQUESTED DURING THE STUDY SESSION.
THEREFORE, NO SE A DETERMINATION IS REQUIRED AT THIS TIME.
UH, AND WITH THIS I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT SINCE IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, IT DOES NOT REQUIRE THE COMMISSION TO DISCLOSE EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS.
UH, WILL BE STARTING OFF WITH OUR ASSOCIATE PLANNER, LARISSA HIN AND PLANNING MANAGER, ANDREW TRIPLE.
THANK YOU, CHAIR HOOPER AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
COUNCIL MEMBER, LET ME JUST PULL UP MY SCREEN FOR YOU.
SO THIS ITEM TONIGHT IS FOR A STUDY SESSION, UH, FOR A PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OF, UH, UM, UH, RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY FOR THE ELDERLY AT,
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UM, 1, 2, 2, 1 PETALUMA BOULEVARD NORTH.UM, AND I THINK I'LL TURN OVER TO ANDREW TO DO A BRIEF INTRODUCTION OF WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DO TONIGHT.
THANK YOU, UH, SO MUCH, LARISSA, AS I JUST WANTED TO, UH, BRIEFLY REMIND THE COMMISSION THAT AS WE TRY TO, UH, MORE FULLY SUPPORT OUR MAJOR DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS THAT DO REQUIRE SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVER REVIEW, AS WELL AS, UH, OTHER PROJECT ENTITLEMENTS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BRING THOSE PROJECTS TO YOU EARLIER, SO THAT THROUGH A STUDY SESSION AS PART OF THE CONCEPT, A DESIGN REVIEW PROCESS, UH, WE CAN WORK TOGETHER TO MORE FULLY INFORM THE APPLICANT'S, UH, REGARDING PREFERRED DESIGN, UM, SITE PLANNING MATERIALS, LANDSCAPING AND SO FORTH.
SO, UM, SIMILAR TO THE, THE OYSTER COVE STUDY SESSION THAT WE CONDUCTED EARLIER IN THE YEAR.
SIMILARLY, THE GOAL OF THIS STUDY SESSION WOULD BE TO, UM, ADVISE THE APPLICANT TEAM IN THE SENSE OF, OF TRYING TO CREATE SOME DESIGN GUIDELINES TO, UH, TO HELP GIVE THE APPLICANT TEAM DIRECTION AS THEY, UH, WORK THROUGH THE, UH, DESIGN DEVELOPMENT PHASE OF THEIR PROJECT, UH, AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY SUBMIT THEIR SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, UM, APPLICATION AS WELL AS OTHER REQUIRED PLANNING ENTITLEMENTS.
SO WITH THAT BIT OF FRAMING, THEN I'D LIKE TO TURN IT BACK OVER TO, UH, LARISSA FOR PRESENTATION OF THE, UM, THE PROJECT.
SO WE'RE GOING, UH, THIS IS JUST A BRIEF SLIDE OF WHAT WE'LL GO OVER DURING THE PRESENTATION.
UM, GENERALLY FOLLOWS THE STAFF REPORT THAT YOU ALL RECEIVED, UM, THE BACKGROUND DISCUSSION, PROJECT INSPIRATION AND CONTEXT GOALS AND PRIORITIES OF THE CITY.
UM, WE'LL ASK YOU FOR SOME INPUT AND FEEDBACK, UM, WHICH IS THE POINT OF THE STUDY SESSION, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW AND PUBLIC OUTREACH.
SO JUST A BRIEF BACKGROUND ON THE, ON THE PROJECT SITE.
UH, THIS IS A 4.19 ACRE PARCEL, UM, NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF SYCAMORE LANE AND SHASTA AND PETALUMA BOULEVARD NORTH.
UM, IT IS DEVELOPED WITH AN EXISTING 18, APPROXIMATELY 18,000 SQUARE FOOT CORRUGATED METAL COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL BUILDING, UM, AND SOME, UM, ACCESSORY STRUCTURES ALSO IN THE REAR OF THE SITE.
UM, THIS IS JUST DEPICTING THE, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT ON THE SITE.
UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU A GENERAL IDEA OF THE SURROUNDING, UM, DEVELOPMENT, UM, AND, UM, THE PLACEMENT OF THE BUILDING ON THE, ON THE PROPERTY.
UH, THE SITE HAS A GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATION OF NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL AND A ZONING DESIGNATION OF, UH, COMMERCIAL ONE OR C ONE.
UM, YOU CAN SEE FROM THESE TWO DIAGRAMS THE, UH, MIX OF GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATIONS IN THAT AREA AND ZONING, UM, AROUND THAT CORNER OF PLUM BOULEVARD NORTH AND SYCAMORE AND SHASTA.
UM, JUST A BRIEF HISTORY OF THE SITE, UM, SINCE OR THE LATE 1980S, UM, IT WAS USED FOR EAGLE TOWING, UM, PREVIOUSLY, UH, HANSEL RV CENTER FOR A BIT, UM, 2008.
OBVIOUSLY IT WAS, THE ZONING WAS CHANGED HERE FROM HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL TO C ONE.
UM, AND THEN IT WAS USED FOR MARINE UNLIMITED, UM, FOR A TIME THAT HAS SINCE CLOSED AND THEY ARE NO LONGER IN OPERATION.
UM, A A DESCRIPTION OF THE TYPE OF USE WHICH IS BEING PROPOSED HERE, UM, IS A, IS A CONTINUING CARE RETIREMENT FACILITY, WHICH WILL TURN INTO A RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY FOR THE ELDERLY.
UM, THESE TWO DEFINITIONS ARE, UM, THESE TYPES OF USES ARE REGULATED BY THE CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES.
UM, AND THEY'RE, UM, AND WE IN PETALUMA HAVE A DEFINITION FOR THE RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY FOR THE ELDERLY AS WELL.
AND IT IS INCLUDED IN OUR LAND USE TABLES AS, UM, USES PERMITTED IN DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS.
UM, THE RCFE, UM, IS A PERMITTED OR CONDITIONALLY PERMITTED USE IN, UM, MU ONE A, U ONE B AND U ONE T, UH, UH, MU ONE TWO, UM, MU ONE TWO ZONING REQUIRES A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND IT ONLY IS ALLOWED ON UPPER FLOORS, UM, ABOVE THE STREET FRONTED USE.
THIS IS, UM, UH, JUST A CLOSEUP VIEW OF THE PARCEL AND,
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UH, THE BUILDING, UM, SITUATED ON THE, ON THE LOT AND I'M HAPPY TO BRING THESE BACK UP AS WE DISCUSS, UM, INPUT.UM, UH, WE HAVE ONE STORY OF THE, OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AT THIS POINT BECAUSE IT'S A CONCEPTUAL RE UM, DEVELOPMENT.
WE DON'T, WE HAVEN'T HAD A FULLY FLESHED OUT PROJECT AND WE'RE HERE TO, TO GET YOUR INPUT BEFORE THAT HAPPENS.
UM, SO THIS IS THE FIRST FLOOR.
YOU CAN SEE, UM, THE ENTRYWAY AT THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, UM, WHICH IS KIND OF HARD TO SEE FROM THE ELEVATION, BUT YOU CAN SEE IT FROM THIS FLOOR PLAN.
UM, THE LOBBY AREA AND HOW IT, UM, FRONTS PETALUMA BOULEVARD NORTH.
UM, THE DESIGN WOULD INCLUDE 120 RESIDENTIAL U USE UNITS CONSISTING OF ONE AND TWO BEDROOM, UM, PLUS TWO BEDROOM PLUS DEN CONFIGURATIONS.
UM, THEY WOULD VARY IN SIZE FROM 600 SQUARE FEET TO 1800 SQUARE FEET.
AND THERE ARE INCLUDED, UM, 12 MEMORY CARE STUDIOS.
UM, YOU CAN SEE CLOSER FROM THE, THIS IS THE SOUTH WING OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, UM, CLOSEUP VIEW OF THE USES PROPOSED ON THIS GROUND FOUR LEVEL.
UM, THE MEMORY CARE STUDIOS ARE CLUSTERED TOWARDS THE REAR OF THIS WING, UM, WITH AMENITIES UP TOWARDS THE FRONT.
UM, GAME ROOMS, YOGA FITNESS CENTER, UM, AND SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, ONE BEDROOM UNITS UP AT THE FRONT WHERE PUM BOULEVARD NORTH.
AND THIS IS A CLOSER VIEW OF THE, THE NORTH WING OF THE DEVELOPMENT, UM, ADDITIONAL ONE AND TWO BEDROOM UNITS, UM, MORE AMENITIES, DINING AREAS.
UM, THERE'S ALSO, UH, WELLNESS AREA, NURSE OFFICE, MEDICAL ROOM, UM, ARE ALL LOCATED TOWARDS THE FRONT, UM, OF THIS WING.
AND THEN, UM, WE HAVE THE FRONT OF THE STRUCTURE WITH THE LOBBY, THE REAR AND FRONT LOBBY OFFICES, UM, AMENITIES AND, UH, RESIDENCE STORE.
AND THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL VIEW OF THE FRONT ELEVATION.
SO VIEWING FROM PETALUMA BOULEVARD NORTH.
UM, THE HEIGHT, UH, AS IS PROPOSED IS 51 FEET, UM, AND 4.5 INCHES AT ITS MAXIMUM HEIGHT.
UM, THEY INCLUDED A, UM, GALLAGHER INCLUDED SOME OF THEIR PREVIOUS PROJECTS AND SOME OF THE DESIGN AND ARCHITECTURAL STYLES THEY'VE USED IN THE PAST.
UM, AND OUR, YOU KNOW, HERE TO GET INPUT ON THE TYPE OF, UM, ARCHITECTURAL STYLE PETALUMA IS INTERESTED IN, IN PURSUING, AND, UM, ARE HAPPY TO WORK WITH US, UM, WITH YOU ON THAT.
UM, OKAY, I'M GONNA GO INTO GENERAL PLAN.
UM, THIS PROJECT WOULD REQUIRE A GENERAL PLAN, UM, AMENDMENT, UM, TO ALLOW THE, THE BUILDING HEIGHT AND USE.
UM, SO THIS AREA HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED, I THINK ON APRIL 9TH.
UH, THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE TEAM CAME TO YOU WITH SOME LAND USE FRAMEWORK, UM, POLICY FRAMEWORK, UM, PRESENTATIONS.
UM, IT'S THE AREA, THE PETAL AND BOULEVARD NORTH CORRIDOR AND LUCKY'S AND MAGNOLIA TOWN CENTER IS WHAT THEY IDENTIFIED THIS IN THIS, UH, IN THE UPDATED GENERAL PLAN PROPOSALS.
UM, SO THE PROPOSED, UH, FAR FOR THE PROJECT WOULD BE 1.26, WHICH EXCEEDS THE MAXIMUM FAR OF THE, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION, WHICH IS 0.8.
SO THAT WOULD BE, UM, NECESSITATE THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THE, UM, NC GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATION TO MIXED USE, WHICH WOULD ALLOW THE FAR UP TO 2.0.
AND, AND, UH, ONE THING I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT HERE IS, UM, WE DID ASK THE APPLICANT TO, TO WAIT IN, IN SUBMITTING, UM, BOTH THE, THIS PRELIMINARY REVIEW APPLICATION, BUT SUBSEQUENT APPLICATIONS BECAUSE WE DID WANT FOR THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE, UM, TO LEAD WITH, UH, SOME OF THE LAND USE ALTERNATIVES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED.
UM, SO I THINK AS, AS LARISSA WILL TALK ABOUT, UH, THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE WOULD PROPOSE, UH, LAND USE CHANGE TO A MIXED USE, UM, WE WOULD JUST FIND THAT THIS PROJECT WOULD LIKELY
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LEAD, UM, IN PROJECT APPLICATIONS AND GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT APPLICATION, UH, BEFORE THE GENERAL PLAN WOULD COME BEFORE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL FOR REVIEW AND SUBSEQUENT APPROVAL, UH, IN ADDITION, UH, TO THE GENERAL PARENT UPDATE THE AMENDMENT THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED.UM, WE DID WANNA BRING FORWARD SOME OF THE HOUSING ELEMENT, UM, POLICIES AND INFORMATION FROM OUR RECENTLY APPROVED HOUSING ELEMENT.
UM, IT DID IDENTIFY, UM, OVER 10,000 CITY RESIDENTS WHO ARE 65 YEARS OR OLDER.
23% OF THOSE ARE, UM, OLDER THAN 65 WITH A DISABILITY.
AND, UM, IT ALSO INCLUDED A PROGRAM TO, AND, AND NOTED THAT, UH, THAT THE USE OF, UM, RSCS AS A LAND USE ON THE LOWER FLOORS, SO ON THE GROUND FLOOR LEVEL SHOULD BE MODIFIED AND BE ALLOWED, UM, AS A CHANGE TO OUR ZONING ORDINANCE IN THE FUTURE.
UM, THE HOUSING ELEMENT ALSO NOTED THAT THE EFFORTS NEED TO, UH, BE MADE TO HELP SENIORS MAINTAIN INDEPENDENT LIFESTYLES AND THERE'S A NEED FOR A CONGREGATE OR GROUP HOUSING THAT PROVIDES SMALL INDIVIDUAL UNITS WITH KITCHENS OR WITH MINIMAL PROVISIONS FOR COOKING AND SOME COMMON FACILITIES FOR SERVICES.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, GETTING AT WHAT THIS PROJECT IS, UM, PROPOSING, UM, SO WE'RE GONNA GO INTO THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND LOOK AT THE CURRENT ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS C ONE AND THE PROPOSED PROJECTS.
UM, AND, UH, THE TABLE'S SHOWING YOU WHERE THEY ARE NON-COMPLIANT WITH THE EXISTING ZONING DISTRICT.
UM, IT, FOR THE RFC, THEY ARE ONLY ALLOWED IN THE C ONE ZONING DISTRICT, UM, ON THE UPPER FLOORS, AND IT REQUIRES A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
UM, SO EVEN WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, IT WOULD STILL ONLY BE ALLOWED ON THE UPPER FLOOR, IS NOT ON THE GROUND FLOOR LEVEL, SO IT WOULDN'T COMPLY THERE.
AND THEN ALSO THE FAR, IT'S NONCOMPLIANT AND THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT LIMIT IS NONCOMPLIANT.
UM, AT THIS POINT WE DON'T HAVE PARKING, UH, COUNTS FOR THE PROJECT OR, UM, OR A A AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT TYPE OF USE, UM, AND HOW MUCH PARKING WOULD BE REQUIRED.
UM, AND THEN WE TOOK A LOOK AT THE MU ONE A REGULATIONS, UM, WHICH IS A ZONING DISTRICT THAT IS ACROSS THE STREET.
UM, SO IF WE, UH, LOOKED AT IT A REZONING TO MU ONE, IT WOULD STILL NOT GET THE PROJECT TO A PLACE WHERE, UM, THEY WOULD BE COMPLIANT WITH ALL THE REGULATIONS.
UM, SO IN THIS CASE, OUR CFE ARE PERMITTED IN THE ZONING DISTRICT, BUT A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO ALLOW IT ON THE GROUND FLOOR LEVELS AND, UM, STREET FRONTING, UH, AREA.
SO IT'S NONCOMPLIANT WITH THAT.
UH, IT WOULD COMPLY WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT UNDER THAT, UM, LAND USE DESIGNATION.
IT DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE, UM, WITH THE BUILDING HEIGHT, HOWEVER, UM, BECAUSE THE, THE BUILDING HEIGHT IN THE U ONE A CURRENTLY IS AT 30 FEET.
UM, THIS PROPOSED PROJECT IS AROUND 54 FEET.
SO, UH, THIS, AS WE DISCUSSED, THE PROJECT WOULD REQUIRE A NUMBER OF ENTITLEMENTS, UM, A GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THE USE FROM NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL TO MIXED USE A ZONING AMENDMENT TO CHANGE ZONING FROM C ONE TO A PUD.
AND, UH, DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROJECT WOULD ALSO REQUIRE SPAR.
SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO A BIT OF, UH, THE PUD UH, PROCEDURES, UM, WHICH WOULD GET US TO A DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD ALLOW THE DENSITY USE HEIGHT AS BEING CURRENTLY PROPOSED.
UM, THE CITY ALLOWS, UH, PES FOR THE INCLUSION OF A NUMBER OF, YOU KNOW, MIX OF USES, DENSITY, BUILDING INTENSITY, UM, AND THE AREA AROUND THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT AT, ON PUM BOULEVARD HAS A NUMBER OF PDS CURRENTLY.
UM, I CAN GO BACK TO THE, THE ZONING MAP TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AGAIN AS WE MOVE FORWARD, BUT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF FEW DS SURROUNDING THIS SITE AS WELL.
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UM, TO APPROVE A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, UM, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF FINDINGS THAT PLANNING COMMISSION NEED WOULD BE MAKING, UH, TO APPROVE THE ZONING CHANGE FROM C ONE TO A PUD.UM, AND THOSE ARE LISTED HERE, UH, STAFF FEELS LIKE FEELS THEY COULD MAKE THE FINDINGS TO APPROVE A PUD, UM, INCLUDING THE CIVIL RELATIONSHIP WITH THOROUGHFARES.
UM, THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT OF THE BUILDINGS AND SERVICES.
UM, BECAUSE THIS IS A SINGLE, SINGLE PARCEL, UM, QUITE A LARGE PARCEL, IT, IT WOULD, UH, LEND ITSELF TO A PUD.
IS THERE ANYTHING, IS THERE ANYTHING? OKAY.
UM, SO SOME OF THE ALTERNATIVES WE HAVE LOOKED AT, UM, RATHER THAN DOING THE PUD, UM, WOULD BE TO MODIFY THE BUILDING DESIGNED TO COMPLY WITH THE C ONE OR ME ONE DISTRICTS.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THE U ONE DISTRICT WOULD NEED TO, WE WOULD NEED TO BE REZONED, UM, RATHER THAN REZONING TO A PUD, IT WOULD GO TO A PU MU ONE, A ZONING DISTRICT, WHICH WOULD, UM, ALLOW FOR THE GROUND FLOOR USE AS PROPOSED WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND THE QUANTITATIVE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
UM, THE OTHER OPTION WOULD BE TO MODIFY A MODIFICATION TO THE GROUND FLOOR USE TO COMPLY WITH THE C ONE OR ME ONE A STANDARDS AND APPROVAL OF VARIANCES TO ALLOW RELIEF FROM THE QUANTITATIVE QUANTITATIVE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
AND THE THIRD OPTION WAS WOULD BE TO AMEND THE IZO STANDARDS FOR GROUND FLOOR USES AND DEVELOP STANDARD DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IN EITHER THE C ONE OR MU ONE, A ZONING ZONES TO ALLOW THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
AND, UM, STAFF ASKED THE APPLICANTS TO PROVIDE SOME, UM, EXAMPLES OF SIMILAR PROJECTS OR SIMILARLY DESIGN PROJECTS IN THE AREA IN PETALUMA.
THESE ARE OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, FAMILIAR TO US ALL THIS.
UM, THIS PROPERTY IS, UH, 1200 PETALUMA BOULEVARD, NORTH LOGAN PLACE.
IT'S A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
UM, IT IS THREE STORIES WITH UNDERGROUND OR PARTIALLY UNDERGROUND PARKING, UM, AT THE BUILDING.
IT IS HAVE A, IT DOES HAVE A ZONING, UH, DESIGNATION OF PUD.
IT'S, UH, GOT A GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATION OF MIXED USE.
UM, AS WE CYCLE THROUGH SOME OF THESE IMAGES, I DID WANNA, UM, KIND OF BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO THE MATERIALS USED, UM, THE STUCCO, THE ROOF SLOPES, UM, KIND OF A COMBINATION OF FLAT ROOFS AND SHED AND THE CIRCULATION OF THE, OF THE STREET FRONTAGE, UM, ALONG PETALUMA BOULEVARD.
UH, THIS NEXT PROPERTY IS ONE OR 4 1 4 PETALUMA, B BOULEVARD NORTH, WHICH IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION CURRENTLY.
THIS IS THE MID PEN AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT.
UM, SIMILAR STUCCO EXTERIOR WITH A COMBINATION OF WHAT LOOKS TO BE BRICK OR SOME SORT OF, UM, YOU TEXTURED MATERIAL ALONG THE, THE FIRST FLOOR.
THIS PROPERTY, UM, IS IN THE, UH, CPSP AND HAS A GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATION OF MIXED USE.
UM, 990 SYCAMORE LANE IS THE PARCEL ON THE CORNER OF THIS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THIS PARCEL, UM, IN, IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT.
UM, THIS IS THE QUALITY PRINTING SERVICE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, TWO STORY COMBINATION OF BRICK AND STUCCO.
IT DOES HAVE A STANDING SEAM METAL AWNING.
AND THEN THIS LAST ONE IS 35 WATER STREET.
UM, THIS IS A PROPERTY ALSO IN THE CPSP, IT'S T FIVE ZONING, UM, AND MIXED USE GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATION.
UM, SO BASED ON SOME INFORMATION PRESENTED IN THE STAFF REPORT, UM, THE PROJECTS DOES SEEM TO, UH, BE CONSISTENT OR SUPPORT, UH, THE CITY'S GOALS AND PRIORITIES, UM, INCLUDING ITEM 100, WHICH INCREASES EFFORTS TO HELP SENIORS REMAIN ENGAGED, ACTIVE, AND INDEPENDENT.
AND ITEM 1 0 3, WHICH PRIORITIZES INCENTIVIZE AND SUSTAINABLE INFILL DEVELOPMENT.
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HERE TONIGHT TO GET, UH, YOUR FEEDBACK AND COMMENTS ON THE PROJECT.UM, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WE'RE POSING TO YOU IS, UM, WHETHER THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THE LAND USE, UH, FROM NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL TO MIXED USE, UM, IS APPROPRIATE ZONING AMENDMENT, UM, IF THE ZONING AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THE COMMERCIAL C ONE TO PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, UM, AND WHETHER OR NOT IT'S APPROPRIATE TO LOCATE RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY FOR THE ELDERLY, UM, AND THE SUPPORT SERVICES ON THE GROUND FLOOR, STREET FRONTING USE.
AND THEN, UM, SOME ADDITIONAL, UH, QUESTIONS OF, OF THE BUILDING DESIGN, UH, BULK, UH, MASSING.
UM, SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD, GETTING YOUR FEEDBACK ON WHAT IS CURRENTLY PROPOSED AND, UM, HOW IT WORKS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE, UM, OTHER STRUCTURES NEARBY.
UH, UM, ANOTHER QUESTION TO THINK ABOUT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, PROGRAMMING THAT MIGHT BRING THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS INTO THE PROJECT OR THE RESIDENTS OUT OF THE PROJECT TO, UM, INTEGRATE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, OPPORTUNITIES FOR ENGAGEMENT, UM, CONNECTION TO THE, UH, SHOPPING CENTER ACROSS THE STREET.
UM, THOSE SORT OF, UH, CONNECTION IS ISSUES AND, AND QUESTIONS.
UM, HAPPY TO TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON THAT.
AND THEN FOR, JUST FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW, BECAUSE THIS IS A STUDY SHUT SESSION, THERE'S NO ACTION BEING PROPOSED.
UM, THEREFORE IT'S NOT A PROJECT AS DEFINED BY THE BY C QA.
UM, SO THERE'S NO ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW AT THIS POINT.
IF THE PROJECT APPLICA APPLICATION FOR THE RCFE IS SUBMITTED, THE CITY WILL DETERMINE THE APPROPRIATE LEVEL OF ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW THAT MAY BE NECESSARY AT THAT TIME.
AND, UM, WE DID DO, UH, PUBLIC OUTREACH AND NOTICING FOR THIS, UH, HEARING.
UM, IT, A PUBLIC NOTICE WAS DISTRIBUTED, PUBLISHED, AND POSTED ON SITE.
WE DID RECEIVE, UH, FIVE PUBLIC COMMENTS AS OF THE CREATION OF THIS, UH, THIS PRESENTATION.
UM, GENERALLY THE COMMENTS WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN CONNECTIONS WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA AND COMMUNITY EMERGENCY ACCESS, THE AMENITIES AND PLACEMENT, PARKING AND TRAFFIC, AND THE MITIGATION OF NOISE, DUST, AND LIGHT.
UM, FUTURE PUBLIC OUTREACH WOULD HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, FOR NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS, UH, PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR GENERAL PLAN, AMENDMENT, ZONING AMENDMENTS, SPAR, UM, ALL WOULD REQUIRE ADDITIONAL PUBLIC OUTREACH.
AND THAT IS THE END OF THIS PRESENTATION.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR GO BACK TO ANY SLIDES.
UM, AND WE ALSO HAVE THE APPLICANT TEAM HERE TO DO A PRESENTATION AS WELL.
I WOULD ACTUALLY, BEFORE WE START MOVING INTO QUESTIONS, BECAUSE THERE'S EVERY CHANCE THAT ONE QUESTION ASKED OF YOU IS ACTUALLY A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
UH, I WOULD LIKE US TO HEAR THE PRESENTATION FROM THE APPLICANT AND THEN WE'LL MOVE INTO QUESTIONS OVERALL.
AND I BELIEVE THAT THE FIRST PERSON WE'RE HERE TO SPEAK WITH IS EF EFRIN.
UH, CHAIRMAN HOOPER, UH, COUNCILWOMAN CATER THOMPSON COMMISSION MEMBERS AND STAFF.
UH, MY NAME IS AEN CARILLO WITH, UH, GALLAGHER COMPANIES.
UH, TRULY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, BE WITH YOU, UH, THIS EVENING.
UH, WITH ME TODAY ARE, UH, BILL AND CINDY GALLAGHER.
UH, THEY'RE FOUNDERS AND OWNERS OF GALLAGHER SENIOR LIVING.
OUR DEVELOPMENT TEAM IS ALSO PRESENT.
UH, BEFORE OUR PRESENTATION, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A SPECIAL ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF OUR PROJECT PARTNER, UH, AND OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, THE HANSEL FAMILY.
UH, WITH US TODAY IS MR. HENRY HANSEL.
AND HENRY, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
IT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF LONG HOURS, UH, WAITING FOR THIS ITEM TO BE HEARD, BUT IF YOU'D LIKE HENRY TO MAKE JUST A QUICK, UH, UH, INTRODUCTION, YOU'RE WELCOME TO DO THAT.
UH, IS IT OKAY, I'LL JUST TAKE A MOMENT.
I'M, I'M GONNA PUT HENRY ON THE SPOT IF IT'S OKAY.
SO YOU SAW WHAT THE PROPERTY, PARDON ME? YOU PROBABLY NEED ME TO BE IN THIS MICROPHONE HERE.
SO YOU SAW THE TODAY AND, UH, YOU, IT NEEDS TO BE BETTER, NEEDLESS TO SAY.
SO THE, JUST A QUICK BACKGROUND, THIS, IT WAS A CAR DEALERSHIP.
IT WAS A CHEVROLET DEALERSHIP MANY YEARS AGO.
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AND THEN WE ENDED UP RUN, ACTUALLY IT WAS A, I KNOW YOU SHOWED, UH, FORMER USES TOWING COMPANY.IT ACTUALLY WAS A PURE LUXURY LIMOUSINE.
USED IT FOR A WHILE, THEN WE HAD OUR RV OPERATION IN THERE.
AND THEN FOR THE LAST 11 YEARS, IT'S BEEN A BOAT COMPANY.
AND FOR THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF HAS BEEN PRETTY MUCH EMPTY AND NOT LOOKING VERY ATTRACTIVE.
SO WE ACTUALLY LOOKED FOR POTENTIALLY A TENANT TO SEE WHAT WE COULD FIND AND, UM, AS OPPOSED TO SELL IT.
AND WE HAD A NUMBER, BUT THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THE GALLAGHER SAW THIS AND SAW THIS IMAGE THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE PRESENTING TO YOU OF HOW TO MAKE THIS THING NOT ONLY LOOK A LOT BETTER THAN IT'S TODAY, BUT BE VERY FUNCTIONAL FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AND IT WAS KIND OF NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART WHEN THIS KIND OF HAPPENED.
AGAIN, THIS IS, WE PROBABLY HAD IT ON THE MARKET FOR WELL OVER A YEAR WITH A LOT OF INTERESTING PARTIES, BUT IT JUST SO HAPPENED THAT ONE OF THEIR PROJECTS, RENA, MY MOTHER, WAS ACTUALLY IN CONTRACT TO MOVE TO VENA.
SHE WAS 89 AND UNFORTUNATELY HER HEALTH JUST DIDN'T ALLOW HER TO MAKE IT TO VENA.
BUT THIS WOULD BE A WONDERFUL EXPERIENCE FOR ME TO KNOW THAT I CREATED A RENA IN PETALUMA.
UM, THE OTHER QUICK THING I'LL JUST MENTION IS I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY THROUGH THIS PROCESS TO GET TO KNOW THE GALLAGHER TEAM AND THEIR REAL QUALITY AND THAT THEY WILL DELIVER AS PROMISED.
UH, AND I ALSO KNOW THEY'RE HERE TO LISTEN.
UH, IF YOU CAN, UH, PUT THE, UH, PRESENTATION BACK UP.
UM, WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT PRESENT OR THE NEXT SLIDE HERE JUST AFTER, UH, THIS SLIDE.
UH, OUR PROJECT TEAM, UH, DOES INCLUDE GAHAR, SENIOR LIVING, GALLAGHER COMPANIES, BELGIAN RACE CONSULTING ENGINEERS, AND LAND DESIGN.
UH, WITH A RICH HISTORY OF DEVELOPING LUXURY SENIOR HOUSING, UH, THROUGHOUT THE WESTERN STATES, UH, WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THE PROSPECTS OF BRINGING IN OUR PASSION AND EXPERTISE, UH, TO PETALUMA.
OVER THE LAST FOUR DECADES, BILL AND CINDY HAVE BUILT 62 SENIOR AND ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES THAT INCLUDE THE ENTIRE OAKMONT PORTFOLIO, UH, IN ADDITION TO COMMUNITIES FOR SUNRISE AGES AND ATRI IN YOUR LIVING.
UH, WE DO HOPE THAT PETALUMA WILL BE OUR 63RD OF GREAT PRIDE TO THE GALLAGHER FAMILY.
UH, IS OUR FLAGSHIP COMMUNITY, REINA AT FOUNTAIN GROVE.
YOU HEARD, UH, HENRY TALKING ABOUT IT.
UH, BUT RENA EARNED NATIONAL RECOGNITION IN 2009 AS BEING AWARDED THE BEST CONTINUING CARE RETIREMENT COMMUNITY IN THE NATION.
UH, OUR DEVELOPMENT COMPANY, UH, DIRECTS ALL ASPECTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, UH, FROM LAND ACQUISITION TO ENTITLEMENTS TO ARCHITECTURAL LANDSCAPE PLANS TO FLOOR PLANS AND INTERIOR DESIGN.
THAT TEAM IS LED BY CINDY GALLAGHER HERSELF.
THE FINAL PHASE BUILDING AND CONSTRUCTION, UH, IS REALIZED BY OUR BUILDING ARM OSL CONSTRUCTION.
UH, WE ARE A CLOSE KNIT FAMILY OWNED COMPANY, FOUNDED ON INTEGRITY, RELATIONSHIP BUILDING, AND DEDICATED TO PROVIDING SERVICES AND AMENITIES OF THE HIGHEST CALIBER.
I THINK YOU HEARD THIS IN STAFF REPORT ALREADY AND YOU'VE HEARD IT, UH, THROUGH, UH, REPORTS AND RESEARCH THROUGH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BOARD, UH, AND OTHER DEMOGRAPHIC ENTITIES AROUND, UH, THAT WE HAVE DETAILED THE GROWTH OF OUR ELDERLY SENIOR COMMUNITY, UH, ACROSS THE NORTH BAY, ACROSS CALIFORNIA.
UH, WITH THIS GROWTH OVER THE LAST FEW DECADES HAS COME A DEMAND FOR SENIOR HOUSING OF ALL TYPES.
UH, THAT GROWTH IS ALSO REFLECTED IN YOUR OWN CITY'S HOUSING ELEMENT, UH, AS WELL.
TODAY'S SENIORS ARE FACED WITH MANY ATTRACTIVE OPTIONS FOR RETIREMENT LIVING.
UH, ONE OF THESE OPTIONS IS A CONTINUING CARE RETIREMENT COMMUNITY OR CCRC AS YOU ALREADY HEARD, UH, DESCRIBED BY STAFF.
I'M JUST GONNA GO INTO THIS, UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DETAIL.
UH, UH, CCRC IS OFFER LONG-TERM CONTINUING CARE CONTRACT, UH, THAT PROVIDES HOUSING, RESIDENTIAL SERVICES, ASSISTED LIVING AND MEMORY CARE OPTIONS, UH, AND NURSING CARE USUALLY IN ONE LOCATION, UH, THAT ALLOW SENIORS TO AGE IN PLACE.
UH, ALL PROVIDERS THAT OFFER CONTINUING CARE CONTRACTS, UH, MUST FIRST OBTAIN A CERTIFICATE OF AUTHORITY AND A RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY, UH, FOR THE ELDERLY LICENSE OR AN RCFE, AS YOU HEARD, UH, FROM STAFF AS WELL.
UH, THE CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE OVERSIGHT OF CONTINUING CARE PROVIDERS.
UH, AND WHILE WE CAN GET LOST IN THE REGULATORY FRAMEWORK, UH, FOR CRCS, UH, I THINK IT'S WHAT, WHAT'S WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT FOR CRCS, UH, IS A COMMUNITY THAT PROVIDES PEACE OF MIND, UH, FOR THE GROWING NUMBER OF SENIORS, UH, WHO WANT TO LIVE INDEPENDENTLY IN A VIBRANT COMMUNITY, UH, BUT WISH TO HAVE HEALTHCARE SERVICES AVAILABLE WHEN NEEDED.
UH, AND THAT PEACE OF MIND, AS YOU HEARD FROM HENRY, UH, EXTENDS OUT TO FAMILY, UH, MEMBERS AND LOVED ONES TOO.
UH, THERE IS ACCESS TO MULTIPLE LEVELS OF CARE SERVICES, UH, WHEN NEEDS PROGRESS.
THAT INCLUDES FLEXIBILITY FOR SPOUSES OR PARTNERS, UH, NEEDING
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DIFFERENT LEVELS OF CARE, UH, WHICH MAY INCLUDE TRANSITIONING FROM, UH, AN INDEPENDENT LIVING UNIT TO A MEMORY, UH, CARE UNIT AT THE SAME FACILITY.UH, A MEMORY CARE PROGRAM IS CUSTOMIZED, UH, TO THE COGNITIVE ABILITIES FOR RESIDENTS, UH, AND PROVIDES A VARIETY OF AMENITIES, UH, AND SPACES WITHIN THAT COMMUNITY, UH, WITH NO CCRC, UH, IN PETALUMA AND LIMITED OPTIONS BETWEEN SANTA ROSA AND SAN FRANCISCO.
UH, WE DO FEEL AND THINK THAT THIS SITE IS AN IDEAL SITE FOR A-C-C-R-C.
UH, THE PROPOSED PROJECT, UH, IS AN ALL-ENCOMPASSING CAMPUS WITH A WIDE RANGE OF SERVICES AND AMENITIES, UH, AVAILABLE TO ALL RESIDENTS.
UH, PLEASE NOTE THAT THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT WE ARE USING TONIGHT IN THIS PRESENTATION, UM, FOR PRIOR DEVELOPMENTS, UH, AND EXAMPLES IN OUR PRESENTATION, ARE ALL REAL LIFE EXAMPLES OF DEVELOPMENTS AND PROJECTS WE HAVE BUILT.
UH, THESE ARE NOT STOCK PHOTOS THAT WE'VE PICKED UP ALONG THE WAY.
UH, SERVICES SPAN, UH, THE SPECTRUM FROM HOUSEKEEPING, UH, AND LINEN SERVICE TO CULINARY FITNESS, UH, AND NURSING AVAILABILITY.
UH, WE EVEN OFFER SCHEDULED CHAUFFEUR TRANSPORTATION, UH, WHICH IS IMPORTANT FOR OUR RESIDENTS WHO WISH TO DRIVE LESS, UH, OR IN SOME CASES, NOT AT ALL.
THE NEXT SLIDE, WE'LL GO INTO THE AMENITIES AND THE PROGRAMMING.
UH, WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
WE'LL HIGHLIGHT QUICKLY SOME OF THE AMENITIES.
UH, STARTING WITH THE CULINARY EXPERIENCE, IT REALLY REFLECTS, UH, US LIVING IN ONE OF THE RICHEST, UH, AGRICULTURAL AND FOOD DESTINATIONS IN THE WORLD.
UH, DINING EXPERIENCES ARE MARKED BY DELICIOUS CUISINE, EXEMPLARY SERVICE.
THE CHEFS EMBRACE THE ABUNDANCE OF FRESH, UH, LOCAL FOOD FOR CULINARY CREATIONS AND MENUS OFTEN CHANGE, UH, REFLECT IN THE SEASONS AND THE, THE AVAILABILITY, UH, OF LOCAL FARMS, UH, RANCHES, UH, IN FISHERIES, UH, NEXT SLIDE.
VARIETY OF DINING SPACES, UH, ARE OFFERED FOR RESIDENTS TO ENJOY.
UH, HERE YOU SEE A FEW DINING SPACES OFFERED AT SANTIANA AND CARLSBAD.
UH, SPACES MAY INCLUDE A GRAND DINING ROOM, PRIVATE DINING ROOM, UH, AS WELL AS A FULL SERVICE AND BAR AND LOUNGE.
UH, AND OFTENTIMES YOU CAN FIND FAMILIES, UH, DINING IN OUR COMMUNITIES ENJOYING A MEAL WITH THE RESIDENTS.
UH, THIS IS, UH, ACTIVITY AND ENGAGEMENT.
UH, PROGRAMMING ARE REALLY AT THE CORE OF DAILY LIFE, UH, IN OUR COMMUNITIES.
UH, MEANINGFUL FRIENDSHIPS ARE CULTIVATED.
OPPORTUNITIES FOR PHYSICAL ACTIVITY ARE DIVERSE, SPIRITUAL, UH, UH, PERSONAL SPIRITUALITY PRACTICES ARE SUPPORTED, AND GIVING BACK IS CERTAINLY A CORNERSTONE OF THE ACTIVITY AND THE ENGAGEMENT OF THE PROGRAMMING.
UM, ON A GOOD DAY, RESIDENTS SOMETIMES WILL EVEN, UH, MEDITATE AND PRAY FOR A QUICK AND ENTITLEMENT PROCESS FOR, NO, I'M JUMP.
A LITTLE LEVITY IS GOOD, BUT, UH, NO, THEY'RE NOT PRAYING FOR SWIFT SUCCESSFUL, UH, UH, UH, PLANNING PROCESS, BUT THEY'RE CERTAINLY ENJOYING THEIR TIME IN THIS COMMUNITY.
JUST MAKING SURE YOU GUYS ARE STAYING AWAKE AFTER TWO HOURS.
UM, WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE HERE.
UH, OUTDOOR AMENITIES DO INCLUDE BOTH, UH, ACTIVE AND PASSING OPPORTUNITIES FROM SWIMMING, UH, TO PICKLEBALL, UH, AND GARDENS TO PET PARKS.
AGAIN, THIS IS A REAL LIFE EXAMPLE FROM SANTIANA IN CARLSBAD OF OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES THAT ARE OFFERED.
WE'LL GO QUICKLY THROUGH THE NEXT FEW.
UH, THIS IS, UH, THE MANU, THE MANURED GROUNDS, UH, AT RENA IN SANTA ROSA AND SEGOVIA AND PALM DESERT.
UH, YOU CAN SEE, UH, PARTICULARLY ON THE LEFT, REINA LOOKING OUT TOWARDS, UH, SANTA ROSA, UH, SOUTH.
I'LL EXPAND JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO THE INDOOR AMENITIES THAT ARE OFFERED.
UH, AMENITIES CAN INCLUDE A GREAT LIVING ROOM LIBRARY, ART AND YOGA STUDIO ACTIVITY ROOMS, AND A SALON AND DAY SPA AMONG OTHER ACTIVITIES.
UH, WE HAVE FOUND THAT THE ART STUDIO, UH, IS AMONG THE MOST POPULAR ACTIVITIES, OFTEN BRINGING IN, UH, RENOWNED LOCAL ARTISTS, UH, FOR CLASSES, UH, AS WELL AS SHOWCASING OUR RESIDENTS ARTWORK, UH, AS WELL.
UH, ALSO, POPULAR AMONG OUR INDOOR AMENITIES IS A DEDICATED MOVIE THEATER.
UH, THIS IS NOT JUST, UH, AN ACTIVITY ROOM WHERE YOU PUT A BUNCH OF CHAIRS TOGETHER AND YOU PROP UP A SCREEN.
UH, THERE'S ACTUALLY A DEDICATED THEATER THAT THE RESIDENTS GET TO ENJOY, UH, ON SITE, UH, A BAR AND LOUNGE.
AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THIS, UH, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE FOR CARDINAL POINT, UH, AND A FITNESS CENTER, UH, AS SEEN HERE FOR THE CARLSBAD PROPERTY.
UH, HERE ARE TWO ANGLES, UH, OF THE GREAT LIVING ROOM AT REINA, UH, PROGRAMMING.
UH, WILL ALSO, OR COULD ALSO INCLUDE A SPEAKER SERIES ON RELEVANT TOPICS OFFERED TO RESIDENTS, UH, IN THE GREAT LIVING ROOM, OR IN THE GREAT HALL FROM
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BUSINESS AND COMMUNITY LEADERS TO EXPERTS IN VARIOUS FIELDS.WE'LL MOVE INTO, UH, THE PROJECT DETAILS.
UH, YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD, I THINK, OF AN, UH, AN OVERARCHING SUMMARY FROM STAFF AS TO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING, UH, BUT THE PROJECT DETAILS THAT WE'RE PRESENTING TO YOU, UH, INCORPORATE WHAT WE'VE LEARNED OVER THE YEARS, UH, IN BUILDING AND DEVELOPING THESE COMMUNITIES OVER THE LAST FEW DECADES.
UM, I WON'T, UH, SPEND TOO MUCH TIME IN IDENTIFYING THE SI THE, THE, UH, THE SIZE OF THE SITE, UH, OR WHAT WAS LOCATED.
I THINK YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD THAT.
UH, SO WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
UH, THE AERIAL MAP, UH, THAT YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN DOES PROVIDE A, A, A REALLY NICE VISUAL, UH, AS TO WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE ALONG PETALUMA BOULEVARD NORTH, UH, IN ITS IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS, UH, I SHOULD POINT OUT, UH, IN THIS SITE, IT WASN'T POINTED OUT SPECIFICALLY, UH, BY STAFF THAT TO THE, UM, TO THE SOUTHWEST, UH, YOU DO HAVE THE, UH, THE, THE PETALUMA CEMETERY, UH, BURBANK HOUSING'S.
LOGAN PLACE IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO CROSS.
UM, THE, UH, MADONE VILLAGE APARTMENTS AND THE PETALUMA POLICE STATION ARE, UH, ABUTTING THE SOUTH RIGHT OFF OF SMORE LANE.
JUST WANNA GIVE THE COMMISSION GREATER CONTEXT.
AND AGAIN, THE, UH, TOWN AND COUNTRY SHOPPING CENTER, UH, IS, UH, IS, THEY'RE SITUATED JUST TO THE SOUTHEAST, UH, INCLUDED AS PART OF THE 120 UNITS.
UH, WE ARE PROVIDING, AGAIN, ONE BEDROOM, TWO BEDROOM, AND TWO BEDROOM PLUS DEN, UH, OPPORTUNITIES.
UH, YOU ALREADY HEARD THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS BEING PROPOSED BETWEEN 600 AND 1800 SQUARE FEET.
UM, DO WANT TO, UH, UH, TALK ABOUT THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND THE INDOOR AND OUTDOOR AMENITIES, UH, AND THE SERVICES THAT ARE OFFERED, UH, AS PART OF THE RESIDENT EXPERIENCE AND, UH, DAILY LIFE OF OUR RESIDENTS.
SO, WE'LL GO TO, UM, THE NEXT SLIDE AS WELL.
I DON'T THINK I NEED TO SPEND TOO MUCH TIME HERE.
I THINK STAFF DID A REALLY GOOD JOB OF, OF IDENTIFYING SOME OF THE CONTEXT THAT WE LOOKED AT, UH, THAT, UH, UM, THAT, THAT CAME ABOUT.
LOOKING AT SOME OF THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS ALONG, UH, PETALUMA BOULEVARD NORTH.
UH, WE DID PROVIDE, AS PART OF OUR, UH, STAFF FOR, AS PART OF OUR APPLICATION, BOTH TWO, THREE, AND FOUR STORY DEVELOPMENTS.
UH, AS YOU'RE APPROACHING THE TOWN CENTER.
SO JUST, WE'LL SPEND A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME ON THE SITE MAP HERE.
UH, AS YOU'LL NOTE, WE HAVE, UH, WALKING PAST THROUGHOUT THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT THAT CONNECT THE RESIDENTS TO OUTDOOR AMENITIES, UH, INCLUDING THE POOL, GARDEN, PICKLEBALL, COURTS, PATIOS, A POND, UH, AND OTHER COMMUNITY GATHERING SPACES THAT INCLUDE THE DINING AREAS, THE FITNESS CENTER, AND THE ACTIVITY ROOMS. UH, A LARGE FIRE PIT JUST ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT ENCOURAGES GATHERING OUTSIDE THE BAR TOWARDS THE MANICURED COURTYARD.
THE YOGA STUDIO EXPANDS THE FITNESS CENTER TO THE OUTDOORS, ALL CREATING A SENSE OF BELONGING.
UH, THE COMMUNITY DESIGN PROVIDES RESIDENTS WITH OPPORTUNITIES BOTH FOR SOCIAL AND SOLITARY PURSUITS.
UH, BOCCE AND PICKLEBALL COURTS WILL BE THE SITE, HOPEFULLY, OF POPULAR RESIDENT GAMES, UH, AND TOURNAMENTS.
UH, WE, UH, DO ACKNOWLEDGE THE WALKING PATHS THAT WILL CONNECT RESIDENTS TO PET PETALUMA BOULEVARD NORTH, AS WELL AS TO SYCAMORE LANE.
UH, WE HOPE THAT, UH, AND WE ANTICIPATE THAT RESIDENTS, UH, WILL CREATE WALKING GROUPS TO PURSUE NEARBY TRAILS, UH, AND ALSO VENTURE FURTHER TO EXPLORE TRAILS WITH, UH, AND PARKS THROUGHOUT THE GREATER PETALUMA AREA.
I WON'T SPEND, UH, TOO MUCH TIME ON THE FIRST FLOOR, BUT THIS WAS OUR ATTEMPT TO PROVIDE THE COMMISSION A FUEL AND SENSE AS TO HOW THE INDOOR AND THE OUTDOOR AMENITIES AND SERVICES CONNECTED WITH THE FULL CAMPUS.
SO, IN PROPOSING OUR CONCEPTUAL DESIGN TO THE COMMISSION AND STAFF, UH, WE WANNA ENSURE THAT THE PROJECT, UH, THAT WE PROPOSE IS AESTHETICALLY APPROPRIATE AND DESIRABLE FOR THE SURROUNDING AREA.
UH, WE HAVE EXPERIENCE IN A VARIETY OF ARCHITECTURAL STYLES, AND HAVE WORKED WITH DOZENS OF MUNICIPALITIES TO MEET VARIOUS ASSIGNED PREFERENCES.
WE RECOGNIZE THAT, UH, THERE ARE NO ADOPTED PLAN OR STANDARDS IN PLACE.
UH, AND WE ATTEMPTED TO LOOK AT THE IMMEDIATE AND SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD AS A VISION TO THE FUTURE FOR THIS CORRIDOR.
SINCE THAT ISN'T NECESSARILY SET RIGHT NOW, UH, WE RECOGNIZE THAT THERE IS POWER IN DESIGN TO SHAPE THE LIVING SPACES AND ENHANCE THE QUALITY LIFE OF OUR RESIDENTS.
UH, IN OUR EXPERIENCE, WE'VE LEARNED FROM WHAT WE'VE BUILT, UH, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, AND HOW IT CREATES AND SETS A PLACE FOR RESIDENTS.
UH, AS RECOMMENDED BY PLANNING STAFF, WE DID PREPARE MORE ARTICULATED ELEVATIONS, UH, THAT WERE NOT INCLUDED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT FROM LAST WEEK.
UH, THAT WAS A SET THAT WAS HANDED TO YOU JUST BEFORE THE
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MEETING.UH, I HAVE, UM, AN ADDITIONAL, UH, VISUAL HERE THAT I CAN PLACE HERE FOR, FOR THE COMMISSION IF YOU WANNA GET A CLOSER LOOK.
UH, BUT IT WAS REALLY AN ATTEMPT TO PROVIDE GREATER FORM AND CONTEXT.
UM, WE UNDERSTOOD THAT THE FRONT ELEVATIONS THAT WERE PRESENTED, UH, DID NOT PROVIDE THE FORM AND CONTEXT THAT MAYBE THE COMMISSION WAS LOOKING FOR.
SO WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THE VISUAL HERE, EITHER, UM, ON YOUR LAPTOP OR, UH, IN THE PRINTOUT.
UH, BUT WE ARE PROPOSING A MORE MODERN, CONTEMPORARY ARCHITECTURAL STYLE FOR THE PROJECT SITE, UH, THAT INCORPORATES SHARED AMENITIES, RESIDENT COMMUNITY SPACES, AS WELL AS CREATING FUNCTIONALITY, UH, AND ENGAGING, UH, SPACES FOR RESIDENTS.
UH, THE MAIN ENTRANCE PROPOSES AN ENTRY COURT WITH A PORT COSHER LEADING INTO THE MAIN LOBBY AREA, EXTENDING THE LOBBY SPACE TO THE PUBLIC STREETS.
UH, THE PRIMARY BUILDING DESIGN IS MODERN AND SIMPLE IN FORM WITH STRONG BASE MATERIAL, COLOR, AND AN ARTICULATED ENTRY AND BASE TO GIVE RHYTHM TO THE FACADE.
WE'RE PROPOSING, UH, COORDINATED COLOR AND MATERIAL PALETTE.
UH, COLORS ARE INTENDED TO CREATE BREAKS AND OVERALL MASSING OF THE BUILDING, ALONG WITH HEIGHT VARIATIONS OF THE PARAPETS TO CREATE BREAKS IN THE ROOF LINES.
UH, THE MATERIALS AND COLORS AND WINDOWS ALL SERVE TO HARMONIZE TOGETHER FOR OVERALL AESTHETIC, UH, THAT IS CONSISTENT ACROSS THE BUILDING.
UH, MATCHING, UH, METAL RAILINGS ARE PROPOSED AT ALL UPPER LEVEL BALCONIES.
UH, WE BELIEVE THAT A BALANCE OF COLOR, TEXTURE, AND SCALE WILL CONVEY A SENSE OF PERMANENCE THAT IS INTENDED TO BE WELCOMING FOR RESIDENT AND THE COMMUNITY ALIKE.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE, UH, JENNIFER LALI AT THIS POINT, UH, LANDSCAPE ART, UH, ARCHITECT TO GET INTO, UH, THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DETAIL.
'CAUSE I ASSUME THAT THIS WILL BE AN AREA WHERE THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL WANNA SPEND A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME.
HELLO, UH, MY NAME'S JENNIFER LALI, AND I'M THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT FOR GALLAGHER COMPANIES.
UM, I'D LIKE TO STATE THAT OUR, WE TREAT THE LANDSCAPE AS IMPORTANT AS WE TREAT THE BUILDING.
UH, WE USE IT NOT JUST FOR MARKETING, BUT WE LIKE TO HAVE A, UM, PARK-LIKE ATMOSPHERE TO OUR COURTYARDS.
UH, WE WANNA DRAW THE RESIDENTS OUTSIDE.
IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT TO GIVE THEM A PLACE THAT'S ALIVE, A PLACE THAT THEY CAN SOCIALIZE, THEY COULD VISIT WITH THEIR FAMILIES.
WE PROVIDE, UM, GARDENING BEDS SO THAT THEY HAVE A CHANCE TO GROW PLANTS, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN OR SOMETHING THEY'VE DONE IN THEIR HOME.
ANOTHER, ANOTHER EASIER WAY TO GET, GET THEM TO MOVE INTO THIS TYPE OF A RESIDENCY.
UM, WE MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE CIRCULAR PATHWAYS SO THAT THEY CAN RECREATE.
UM, IN OUR MEMORY CARE GARDENS, WE, WE DO THINGS LIKE, WE HAVE A, UM, A GATE.
WE CALL IT SORT OF THE GATE TO NOWHERE, SO THAT WHEN, UM, SOMEONE WITH DEMENTIA MIGHT GET KIND OF WORKED UP, UM, AND THEY WANNA LEAVE, THEY SAY, OKAY, YOU CAN GO OUT THE GATE.
AND USUALLY BY THE TIME THEY WALK OVER TO THE GATE AND WALK THROUGH IT, THEY'RE CALM.
THEY DON'T REMEMBER THAT THEY, AND THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING SOMEWHERE THAT THEY GOT TO LEAVE.
UM, WE TRY TO THINK OF ALL THESE THINGS IN OUR GARDENS.
WE, WE ALSO KNOW THE IMPORTANCE OF DROUGHT TOLERANT, OF SMART WATER, WATER CONTROLLERS.
UM, WE'LL DEFINITELY APPLY THE, UM, MAXIMUM WATER ALLOWANCE, UM, CALCULATIONS.
BUT, UM, WE REALLY PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT AND EFFORT INTO OUR LANDSCAPES.
UM, I'VE BEEN WORKING FOR BILL AND CINDY FOR NINE YEARS, AND I'VE BEEN ABLE TO KEEP COMING BACK TO MY LANDSCAPES THAT I, THAT HAVE BEEN INSTALLED AND IMPROVE ON THEM, OR HAVE ALSO WRITTEN MANUALS FOR HOW THE LANDSCAPE COMPANIES CAN TAKE CARE OF THEM SO THAT THEY REMAIN THE WAY THAT WE ORIGINALLY ENVISIONED THEM.
CINDY AND BILL ARE BOTH AVID GARDENERS, AND THE LANDSCAPE REALLY IS JUST AS IMPORTANT TO THEM AS IT IS THE BUILDING.
I BELIEVE WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING CLOSE, UM, ON WAY FINDING.
I THINK IN KEEPING WITH THE CITY'S, UH, WAY FINDING SIGNAGE PROGRAM, UH, WE INTEND TO WORK WITH THE CITY'S GUIDELINES TO CREATE, UH, AND ADOPT SIGNAGE THAT HIGHLIGHTS THE CITY'S HISTORY, INCLUDING LANDMARKS AND BUILDINGS, UH, AND ASSIST WITH THE TRANSITION BETWEEN CAR, PEDESTRIAN AND TRANSIT USE.
UH, OUR APPROACH IS TO BE FULLY TRANSPARENT WITH OUR NEIGHBORS AND TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS THROUGH
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THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.UH, WE'LL PARTICIPATE IN NEIGHBORHOOD OUTREACH, UH, THROUGH BOTH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, INCLUDING THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE, UH, AND WELL INTO OPERATIONS.
UM, THIS IS THE LAST SLIDE IS, UH, THE NEXT ONE.
UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO, UH, CLOSE OUR PRESENTATION BY INVITING THE COMMISSION, UH, TO TOUR RENA AT FOUNTAIN GROVE.
UH, I THINK IT'S ALWAYS, UM, GOOD TO SEE HOW, UM, THESE COMMUNITIES ACTUALLY, UH, LOOK, UH, IN REAL LIFE.
AND YOU CAN ONLY GET SO MUCH, UH, CONTEXT, UH, IN DESIGN AND PLANS, UM, AND, UH, A NARRATIVE.
UH, SO WE WOULD WELCOME, UH, ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS, UH, AND STAFF TO TOUR, UH, RENA AT YOUR, UM, AT YOUR DISCRETION.
UH, SO MR. CHAIR, UH, WE'RE HAPPY TO, UH, TAKE, UH, INPUT QUESTIONS, UH, HAND IT BACK TO STAFF, UH, AND REALLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE TONIGHT.
UH, WITH THIS, WE WILL MOVE INTO COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS, AND THIS WILL BE FOR BOTH STAFF AND THE APPLICANT SINCE I STARTED OVER HERE FOR THE LAST ITEM.
I'M GONNA START OVER HERE FOR THIS ITEM.
I'M SPENDING MOST OF MY TIME HERE ON THIS FIRST FLOOR PLAN, WHICH I UNDERSTAND TO BE A DRAFT, BUT JUST WANNA GET SOME CONFIRMATION OF, UM, WHAT WE WOULD HOPEFULLY SEE IN, IN THE NEXT DRAFT.
UM, I'M NOT SEEING ART SPACE HERE, BUT MAYBE I DIDN'T LOOK CLOSELY ENOUGH.
UM, OR PERHAPS MOVIE ROOM I THINK MAYBE DIDN'T MAKE IT ON THE FLOOR EITHER.
SO TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE ARE A WIDE VARIETY OF LUXURIOUS AMENITIES, AS THE ADDITIONAL FLOORS GET DETAILED, I'M SURE WE'LL SEE MORE OF THOSE.
UM, AM I CORRECT THAT I'M ONLY SEEING TWO ELEVATORS? YES, AND I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THIS AND WE ARE PROPOSING TWO ELEVATORS, UH, ON, ON THE FLOOR PLAN HERE.
AND I BELIEVE, AND I COULD BE, I COULD BE MISTAKEN, BUT THE, UH, THE ART SPACE, UH, IS GENERALLY ON THE FIRST FLOOR, BUT I'M NOT, UH, I'M NOT SURE I'M SEEING HERE.
SO, AND THEN THE, THERE'S A DRIVEWAY, UM, THAT WE SORT OF SEE HERE GOING INTO A COUPLE OF BEDROOMS. I ASSUME THAT THAT IS THE, TO, TO THE SUBTERRANEAN.
AND I, I ACTUALLY, UM, MISSED, UH, AS PART OF MY, UH, UH, NOTES TO ACKNOWLEDGE.
THERE WAS A QUESTION AROUND PARKING, OR AT LEAST, UH, UH, FOR, UH, PRESENTATION FROM STAFF AROUND PARKING.
AND, UH, WE ARE PROPOSING, AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT 121 PARKING SPACES THAT WOULD BE BUILT UNDERGROUND.
SO, UM, I KNOW PLUS THE PARKING LOT BEHIND THE POOL, UH, RIGHT.
SO, SO THERE WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL 30, UH, SPACES, SURFACE PARKING, AND POTENTIALLY EIGHT SPACES ALONG THE ROAD.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE, THE, THE TOTAL PARKING SPACES, TOTAL COUNT, COULD, COULD, COULD BE 159 SPACES, BUT 121 OF THOSE WOULD BE, UH, SUPPORTED FOR UNDERGROUND.
AND, UH, WHAT THAT DOES IS IT IS IT PROVIDES, UM, A BENEFIT TO THE RESIDENTS TO HAVE THEIR CAR SECURE, UH, ACCESSIBLE, UM, AND, UH, UM, AND, AND IN A SPACE THAT, THAT IS OUTTA SIGHT.
UH, AND FOR THE NEIGHBORS, UH, THE NEIGHBORS CERTAINLY APPRECIATE, UH, WHEN YOU CAN PARK, UH, YOUR RESIDENCE, UH, ON SITE AND NOT NECESSARILY ALONG THE STREET, UH, AND IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO I FELT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IT WASN'T PART OF OUR PROJECT APPLICATION AND NARRATIVE, BUT WE ARE PROPOSING 121 SPACES OF UNDERGROUND PARKING.
WOULD STAFF GET TO PARK DOWN THERE AS WELL? UH, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
UM, BUT, UM, WE, UH, OUR, OUR, OUR PLAN FOR STAFFING IS TO HAVE, UM, STAFFING COME THROUGH THREE DIFFERENT, UH, PERIODS OF THE DAY SO THAT THEY'RE NOT DURING THE PEAK HOURS OR THE PEAK TIMES.
UM, BUT AS I UNDERSTAND IT, STAFF, UH, THESE WOULD BE RESIDENT PARKING SPACES.
THE 121 UNDERGROUND PARKING SPACES.
AND JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR ON THE CCRC VERSUS RFCE, APOLOGIES FOR THE ALPHABET SOUP.
IS IT SORT OF A LIKE RECTANGLE SQUARE SITUATION THAT, LIKE, CEES ARE ALWAYS CRCS, BUT CRCS AREN'T ALWAYS R FCES? SO WHAT, WHAT, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO, WE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE, UH, UH, UH, SAM FAY, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF WELL, QUEST, UH, SAM, ARE YOU STILL HERE? WOULD YOU, WOULD, WOULD, WOULD YOU MIND MAYBE SHARING YOUR EXPERIENCE AS TO HOW THESE, UH, COMMUNITIES FUNCTION AND SURE.
LICENSING? 'CAUSE I, I, I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE.
SO IF, IF I CAN THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE CHAIR,
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ANY FIRSTHAND EXPERIENCE WE CAN GET FOR CLARITY, THE BETTER.MY NAME IS SAM FAYE, AND I'M AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, UH, WITH 21 YEARS EXPERIENCE, INCLUDING, UM, PARTICIPATING IN MANY PROJECTS WITH, UH, THE GALLAGHERS, UH, IN OAKMONT SENIOR LIVING.
SO TO NOT TAKE, UH, NOT TO TAKE UP TOO MUCH OF YOUR TIME, SO A CONTINUE A CONTINUING CARE RETIREMENT COMMUNITY, WHAT THAT ESSENTIALLY MEANS IS AN EXCHANGE FOR AN ENTRANCE FEE.
WE, BY CONTRACT APPLY, UM, HAVE TO PROVIDE FOR THE, UH, A, A MINIMUM OF TWO LEVELS OF SENIOR LIVING.
AND SO, IN THIS CASE, THIS COMMUNITY WILL HAVE THREE INDEPENDENT LIVING ASSISTED LIVING, AND ALSO, AS I MENTIONED, MEMORY CARE.
AND THAT'S AN EXCHANGE FOR THAT ENTRANCE FEE.
THE ACCOUNTING OF THAT IS, IS, IS REGULATED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES AND RCFE MEANS RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY FOR THE ELDERLY, WHICH MEANS THAT YOU ARE ALLOWED TO PROVIDE ASSISTED LIVING SERVICES, BATHING, TOILETING, UH, MEDICATION MANAGEMENT, GROOM, UH, GROOMING, DRESSING, AND UNDRESSING.
AND THAT THOSE SERVICES CAN BE PROVIDED BY YOUR TRAINED STAFF FOLLOWING TITLE 22 REGULATIONS.
SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THIS PARTICULAR CCRC THAT IS BEING PROPOSED, EVERY SINGLE UNIT IN THE BUILDING WILL BE RCFE LICENSED, MEANING SOMEBODY COULD MOVE IN INDEPENDENTLY, LIKE WAS BEING PROPOSED, BUT THEN ASSISTED LIVING SERVICES CAN BE BOUGHT TO THEM DIRECTLY IN THEIR UNIT.
SO IT'S A TREMENDOUS VALUE AND OPPORTUNITY FOR THE RESIDENTS TO, YOU CAN MOVE INTO A UNIT AND NOT HAVE TO MOVE UNLESS THERE IS SOME TYPE OF DEMENTIA.
SO PEOPLE REALLY LIKE THIS PROGRAM.
I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
SO IT'S THAT AGING IN PLACE THAT WE'RE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT, THAT YOU CAN SORT OF GRADUATE TO A HIGHER LEVEL OF CARE IF REQUIRED, BUT STAY IN THE SAME UNIT.
YEAH, THAT IS THE, I'VE DONE THREE CONTINUING CARE RETIREMENT COMMUNITIES FOR THIS ORGANIZATION.
IT'S A TREMENDOUS, TREMENDOUS ADVANTAGE AND VALUE FOR THE RESIDENTS TO HAVE THIS, AS OPPOSED TO, OH, YOU CAN ONLY LIVE IN INDEPENDENT, OR YOU CAN ONLY LIVE IN ASSISTED LIVING.
SO, YEAH, I, I HAD TO NAVIGATE THAT WITH MY GRANDPARENTS, SO I, I KNOW THE STRUGGLE.
UM, SO I THINK THAT DOES IT FOR MY QUESTIONS.
I'LL SAVE MY OTHER WISHLIST ITEMS FOR COMMENTS.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA SAY, ANDREW, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING US A LITTLE MORE, UM, FULL, FULL FLOWERED, UH, PRESENTATION.
UH, I'VE, I HAVE COMPLAINED TO ANDREW THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE SEE WHEN WE GET TO SPAR, IT'S TOO LATE TO DO ANYTHING.
SO THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO DEAL THAT.
SO, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
UM, ALSO, UH, YOU, THE CONTEXT OF THE ARCHITECTURE, YOU'RE IN THE WORST ARCHITECTURE OF PETALUMA.
SO ROUNDING YOU, I'VE NEVER SEEN WORST HOUSING ARCHITECTURE,
SO, UM, THIS LOOKS, LOOKS, LOOKS BETTER.
UM, THE OTHER ISSUE, UM, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF YOUR, UH, TENANT, UH, TENANTS, YOU CALL 'EM, TENANTS OR RESIDENTS HAVE CARS? YEAH, SO IN, IN, IN, IN OUR EXPERIENCE, UH, IT, IT'S, UH, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 75% AND 80% OF THE RESIDENTS, UH, HAVE CARS.
UH, OFTENTIMES WE'LL HAVE RESIDENTS THAT MAYBE WON'T HAVE A CAR, OR WON'T WANT A CAR, OR WON'T NEED A CAR BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A SHUTTLE SERVICE THAT'S PROVIDED THAT CAN TAKE THEM TO AND FROM WHEREVER THEY NEED TO GO.
UH, IN OTHER CASES, YOU MAY HAVE A RESIDENT THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE UNIT WHERE YOU HAVE TWO, UM, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE THAT NEED TWO CARS.
UH, BUT, UH, IN OUR EXPERIENCE, IT'S, IT'S SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 75 AND 80%.
UM, THE OTHER QUESTION IS ON THE, UM, FRONT PORT COURSERA, THE DROP OFF AREA, UM, I'M NOT SURE HOW IT IS USED.
'CAUSE MOST OF THE RESIDENTS WILL NOT DRIVE IN THERE.
I MEAN, THE VAN MAY DRIVE IN THERE OR DROP OFF.
VISITORS WILL PARK IN THE BACK IN THE PARKING LOT.
I WOULD ASSUME THEY WOULDN'T PARK THERE.
SO THE FUNCTION OF THAT IS, IS IT FEELS LIKE A HOTEL ENTRY, BUT IT'S REALLY NOT A HOTEL FUNCTION.
UM, UH, CAN YOU BE A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC? HOW DOES THAT FRONT ENTRY, HOW DO YOU USE IT? HOW DOES IT FUNCTION AND DOES IT NEED TO BE, UM, SO FORMAL? SURE.
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YEAH.SAM, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA INVITE YOU BACK UP BECAUSE I THINK YOU CAN, YOU CAN PROVIDE THE EXPERIENCE SPECIFICALLY FOR WHAT WOULD BE ANTICIPATED FOR THE SITE AND MAYBE THE SITES THAT YOU'VE, YOU'VE, YOU'VE MANAGED.
UM, SO IN PAST PROJECTS, AND AS I SEE THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE PRELIMINARY PLANS FOR THIS ONE, WE DO TEND TO HAVE SOME VISITOR PARKING IN FRONT.
AND GENERALLY, UM, WHAT WE'VE DONE AT OUR OTHER COMMUNITIES, PARTICULARLY RENA FOR INSTANCE, THERE'S SPACE FOR SEVERAL VISITOR CLEARLY MARKED WITH CORRECT ATTRACTIVE SIGNAGE FOR VISITOR PARKING.
AND BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY 75% OF THE SPACES IN THE GARAGE EVEN KIND OF GET USED, WE'RE ABLE TO DESIGNATE AT ANY SINGLE TIME SPACES FOR VISITOR PARKING FOR SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO GO UNDERGROUND, UM, TO PARK IF THEY'RE GONNA BE THERE A LITTLE LONGER.
UM, YOU KNOW, SADLY IN THIS INDUSTRY, THERE IS A TURNOVER ASSOCIATED WITH THE INDUSTRY.
I'VE NEVER SEEN A FULL GARAGE.
YOU KNOW, I CAN TELL YOU THAT A LOT OF PROJECTS I'VE WORKED ON, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PARKING.
AND YOU MIGHT HAVE A HUNDRED UNITS AND ONLY 80 PARKING SPACES, BUT THIS ONE, THEY'RE PROPOSING AS MANY PARKING SPACES AS UNITS.
UH, SO IF I WAS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THIS COMMUNITY, I WOULD UTILIZE THE SPACES IN THE FRONT, BUT ALSO HAVE SPACES UNDERNEATH DESIGNATED FOR VISITOR PARKING.
SO, SO THE, I I GUESS IT SEEMS LIKE THE, SO THAT THE, THE FRONT ENTRY IS WHERE THE VISITORS PARK OR THEY PARK IN THE REAR IN THE PARKING LOT.
THE, THE INITIAL VISITOR PARKING WOULD BE IN THE FRONT BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE.
HOWEVER, THEY WOULDN'T BE EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN FROM PARKING IN THE BACK.
I HAVE FOUND THAT MOST PEOPLE VISIT FOLKS, THEIR EX, THE DURATION OF THEIR VISIT IS NOT A REAL LONG ONE.
UM, THE OTHER QUESTION IS TO THE, UH, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET UP, BUT THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, UM, I THINK ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS I'D LIKE TO SEE HERE IS A STRONG STREET TREE PLANTING FROM EDGE PROPERTY LINE TO PROPERTY LINE.
AND INCLUDING IN THAT, IN THAT
AND TYPICALLY THAT IS WHAT, TYPICALLY THAT IS OUR PREFERENCE.
WE USUALLY COME IN WITH 36 INCH BOX TREES BECAUSE WE LIKE TO HAVE, UH, LOOKS LIKE IT'S ALREADY BEEN THERE WHEN PEOPLE ARE MOVING IN.
WE WANT IT TO FEEL, WE DON'T WANT IT TO FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, BRAND NEW PROJECT WITH SKINNY LITTLE TREES.
AND, AND AT THIS POINT, IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE TO GET INTO SPECIES, BUT IF AT SOME POINT WE'D LIKE TO SEE AT SOME GOOD SIZE CANOPY TREES, DEFINITELY.
AND, UM, I'M NOT, I'M NOT FAMILIAR IF YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC TREE LIST.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE STREET TREE LIST.
BUT REALLY, I THINK THIS IS A PROJECT QUESTION MORE THAN A, IT'S IN THE PROJECT RIGHT AWAY.
IT'S NOT IN THE STREET RIGHT AWAY.
BUT YEAH, WE'LL, WE'LL DEFINITELY GET INTO THAT DOWN THE ROAD.
UM, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THANK ANDREW FOR BRINGING THIS TO US AT THIS STAGE.
WE'VE, WE'VE HAD A, A BIT OF A STRUGGLE IN THE PAST WITH HOW WE HANDLE OUR DESIGN REVIEW, OUR, OUR RIVERFRONT, I'M GONNA CALL IT JOURNEY, KIND OF TAUGHT US A LOT ABOUT HOW WE DO THIS EARLY.
AND I'M JUST REALLY GLAD TO SEE IT COME FORWARD AND AT THIS STAGE AND TO HAVE SUCH A FULL PRESENTATION FROM STAFF AND ALSO FROM THE APPLICANTS.
SO WE REALLY APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU BEING HERE AT THIS TIME.
UH, FIRST QUESTION I HAVE, AND BECAUSE THIS IS AT KIND OF THIS CONCEPTUAL STAGE OF US REALLY TRYING TO GET A FEEL FOR WHAT MIGHT NEED TO BE REQUIRED FOR A SITE LIKE THIS, UH, I DO APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE.
IF I GO A BIT FAR AFIELD, UH, UM, RECOGNIZING MY OWN IGNORANCE AS TO WHAT IS REQUIRED FOR A-C-C-R-C, ESPECIALLY SINCE, UH, AT LEAST ACCORDING TO STAFF REPORT, PETALUMA HASN'T HAD ONE, UH, THE, THE NEAREST FIRE STATIONS ON D STREET, UH, HOSPITALS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF TOWN.
I JUST WANNA KNOW, IS THIS DISTANCE A PROBLEM FOR, AT-RISK RESIDENTS? IS THIS SOMETHING THAT, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT, AND I REALIZE I SHOULD BE CLEAR, THE QUESTION IS FOR THE APPLICANT, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE DEALT WITH IN OTHER CITIES WHERE YOU'VE BUILT THESE FACILITIES AND HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO ADDRESS THE DISTANCE CONCERNS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER? SAM, THIS IS THIS ONE FOR YOU
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I KNOW OF NO SUCH REGULATION THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO BE A SPECIFIC DISTANCE.UH, FROM, UH, THE FIRE STATION OR THE HOSPITAL.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE THIS CLOSE TO THE HOSPITAL OR THEY'RE CLOSEST FIRE STATION? UM, AS FAR AS RESPONSE TIME, WE DO, I CAN TELL YOU WITHOUT ANY, UM, FIRE AUTHORITY WE'VE WORKED WITH, UM, THAT WE PARTNER WITH THEM TO COME UP WITH PLANS TO, IF IT'S THE FIRE STATION IS FIVE, 10 MINUTES AWAY, WE ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A DA A A DISASTER PLAN AND A PLAN THAT SAYS, LOOK, WHEN THE UM, AMBULANCE GETS THERE, THIS STAFF MEMBER LETS THE PERSON IN THE DOOR, THIS STAFF MEMBER HANDS IN THE PAPERWORK, THIS STAFF MEMBER'S ALREADY IN THE APARTMENT.
UM, AND SO HOPEFULLY THE SPEED TO GET THE EMERGENCY FIRST RESPONDER TO THE RESIDENT FROM WHEN THEY GET TO OUR COMMUNITY, UM, A WELL ORGANIZED MANAGED PLACE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
AS FAR AS THE DISTANCE FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT.
I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF THERE'S INTERNAL, INTERNAL PROCEDURES FOR YOUR SITES TO ENSURE THAT REGARDLESS OF THE DISTANCE YOU HAD A PLAN, THERE ABSOLUTELY IS.
WE ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE BY THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA AN EXTENSIVE DISASTER PLAN.
AND EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS THEY UP THE REQUIREMENT.
I REMEMBER, NOT TO DRONE ON TOO LONG, BUT I REMEMBER IT USED TO JUST BE A TWO PAGER WHEN I FIRST STARTED THIS 21 YEARS AGO.
NOW OUR DISASTER PLAN IS CHECKED EVERY YEAR BY THE DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES.
IT HAS TO BE UPDATED AND IT'S NOW 28 PAGES.
AND I TAKE IT THAT HAS TO BE FILED WITH LIKE LOCAL FIRE THAT HAS TO BE BE YES.
AND YOU CAN'T OPEN THE BUILDING WITHOUT OH, GOOD.
BEING LICENSED, THE DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES HAS TO SEE THE DISASTER PLAN, AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE A FIRE CLEARANCE.
GRANTED BY THE LOCAL FIRE AUTHORITY BEFORE YOU ARE ALLOWED TO GET A LICENSE.
I TAKE IT THE SAME IS TRUE WITH LIKE LAYOUT FOR FIRE TRUCKS TO COME IN OR AMBULANCES, ALL OF THAT HAS TO BE CLEARED.
I'M CERTAIN THAT THE CITY PET WOULD SAY, HEY, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THIS MUCH ROOM FOR US TO BACK THE FIRE TRUCK UP.
NO, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT'S NO, YOU'RE GREAT QUESTION.
IT'S JUST BECAUSE WE'VE, SO WE'VE ONLY HAD, AT LEAST IN MY TIME ON PLANNING, WE'VE HAD ONE, WELL, ONE AND A HALF I WOULD SAY RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES, UHHUH,
SO JUST TRY TO KEEP THAT IN MIND FOR THIS ONE.
'CAUSE IT'S, I GET WHY YOU'VE PICKED WHERE YOU'VE PICKED, BUT JUST THE LACK OF THINGS NEARBY.
MAN, I, I, I HOPE I WAS ABLE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
UH, AND THEN IT SEEMED LIKE MANY OF, UH, THIS, I DON'T THINK THIS IS A PRESENTATION FOR YOU, SO THIS MIGHT BE FOR MR. CREO.
UH, IT, IT SEEMS LIKE MANY OF THE PHOTOS OF YOUR PRESENTATION WERE, THEY'RE GORGEOUS, BUT IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WERE FACILITIES THAT MIGHT BE LARGER THAN THE SITE, BUT I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY, WERE THEY COMPARABLE IN SIZE TO THIS PROPOSAL? I JUST WANTED TO KEEP IN MIND IF I'M LOOKING, HAVE THE RIGHT SCALE IN MIND.
YEAH, THAT'S ACTUALLY A A PROBABLY A BETTER QUESTION FOR, FOR, FOR BILL OR FOR, UH, UH, I MEAN, IS BILL, DO YOU, DO, DO YOU WANNA MAYBE SPEAK TO SOME OF THEM ARE LARGER, SOME OF THEM ARE SMALLER.
I, I MEAN, I, I I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S, UH, THERE'S A SPECIFIC COMPARISON AS TO THE, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE DINING ROOM OR THE DINING HALL OR THE LIVING AREA WOULD LOOK LIKE.
BUT IT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING SPECIFICALLY.
IT, IT WAS MOSTLY I'M THINKING IN TERMS OF MASSING AND AND DENSITY OF THE SITE.
AND I, AND BY THE WAY, THIS IS NOT A, A GOTCHA QUESTION.
I JUST WANT TO KEEP IN MIND IF, 'CAUSE SOME OF THESE FOLKS WERE INCREDIBLY ATTRACTIVE.
SO I JUST WANNA KEEP IN MIND IF WE'RE WITHIN BALLPARK OF WHAT WE'RE KIND OF EXPECTING BASED ON WHAT WE SAW FROM THE OTHER SITE.
AND IT, AND IT'S MORE RELEVANT TO, TO THE, THE, THE BUILDING ITSELF OR THE ACTUAL AMENITIES.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND BUILDING ITSELF, BUILDING ITSELF, THE BUILDING ITSELF.
I UNDERSTAND AMENITIES ARE GONNA VARY BY SITE ACCESS AND ALL THAT.
I, I MEAN, I THINK AS, AS BILL NOTED, I MEAN, THESE ARE ALL, UH, THEY, THEY VARY IN SIZE AND THEY PROBABLY VARY IN SCALE.
UM, BUT I, I, YOU KNOW, BASED ON I THINK THE AMENITIES THAT WE'RE OFFERING AND BASED ON, YOU KNOW, THE SITE CONSTRAINTS THAT WE HAVE TO SOME EXTENT ON THAT SITE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT, UH, WHAT WHAT WE THINK WORKS BEST AROUND FUNCTIONALITY FOR THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT CAN MAKE THE PROJECT WORK AND THE AMENITIES THAT WE BELIEVE WILL SERVE THOSE RESIDENTS BEST.
AND THEN IN TERMS, I'M THINKING ABOUT RESIDENT RESIDENTIAL ACCESS, AND I HAVE A STAFF QUESTION, BUT BEFORE I ASK THAT, I WANT TO ASK, IS THERE A PLANNED SHUTTLE FOR RESIDENTS OR ANY JUST TO GET THEM AROUND TOWN? IT'S, SOME DO, SOME DON'T.
SO I JUST WANNA KNOW IF THAT WAS INCLUDED WITH THIS.
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MEAN, THE, THE, YOU HAVE A, UH, A CHAUFFEUR SERVICES THAT'LL BE OFFERED TO RESIDENTS.AND, UH, I BELIEVE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL OF OUR SITES HAVE RESIDENT LED, UH, UH, COMMITTEES, UH, AND, UH, GROUPS THAT ARE LED BY THE RESIDENTS.
AND AGAIN, I I, I WOULD BELIEVE THAT PART OF WHAT I HOPE THAT WE'LL SEE IS, UH, AN EMBRACING OF THE LARGER PETALUMA COMMUNITY TO, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, GO ON THE TRAILS, UH, YOU KNOW, TO COME TO THE DOWNTOWN AND SHUTTLING WOULD BE PART OF THAT.
SO YOU'RE SAYING IS THE RESIDENTS WILL NOT BE FREE OF MEETINGS THEN? WELL, NO.
BUT THERE, IT'S GOOD TO KNOW THAT THE DIRECT A DIRECT SHUTTLE TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AT SIX O'CLOCK ON TUESDAY, BUT IT, IT'S GOOD TO KNOW THAT THERE'LL BE SOME FORM OF LILA OVER SHUTTLE SHUTTLE SERVICE.
AND THEN FOR, FOR CITY STAFF, UH, THIS DOVETAILS OFF OF A FEW OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT I JUST WANNA SPEAK TO THE ACCESS COMPONENT OF THIS.
SHOULD A SITE LIKE THIS, SHOULD THIS MOVE FORWARD, WOULD THE GENERAL PLAN AND OUR UPCOMING ACTIVE TRANSIT PLAN, WOULD THERE BE MODIFICATION TO ACCOUNT FOR MORE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO SURROUNDING AREAS FOR THIS SITE? SPECIFICALLY THINKING ABOUT, THERE'S A LUCKY'S NEARBY, THERE'S A COFFEE SHOP, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY A WELL BUILT OUT SITE FOR FOLKS THAT JUST WALK AROUND.
IN FACT, IT'S A PRETTY ACTIVE THOROUGHFARE.
SO I'M JUST WONDERING, WOULD THE CITY'S PLAN BE TO ADJUST FOR THIS TO BE QUITE A LARGE ADDITION OF COMMUNITY COMMUNITY ACTIVITY? WE COULD, UH, WE COULD REVIEW, UM, PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO, UM, SURROUNDING AREAS AS PART OF THE, THE PLANNING REVIEW PROCESS.
UM, COMPARE AND LOOK AT WHAT, UH, THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLANNER HAS ENVISIONED, ESPECIALLY FOR THAT INTERSECTION.
AND SO TO BE ABLE TO ENSURE THAT, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO THAT PATH FOR BIKING AND WALKING, I THINK WOULD BE ADVANTAGEOUS.
WE CAN, UM, CERTAINLY WORK WITH OTHER CITY STAFF OVER IN PUBLIC WORKS TO, UM, EXPLORE OPTIONS.
THIS IS CERTAINLY NOT ON THE APPLICANT.
I WOULD JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT AS WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS, WE'RE PLANNING FOR THAT CHANGE TO THE AREA, SHOULD WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT.
UH, AND THEN AS AN ADDENDUM TO THIS, WOULD YOU ALSO BE WILLING TO TALK TO PUBLIC TRANSIT TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY GROUNDS FOR INCREASE IN, IN ROUTE CIRCULATION OR ACTIVITY IN THAT AREA? SURE.
WE CAN INVOLVE, UH, PETALUMA TRANSIT AS WELL.
THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD ALWAYS BE, THIS PROJECT WOULD BE REFERRED TO THEM ANYWAY, SO.
UM, AND I KNOW THAT THEIR PLANS ARE ALSO EVOLVING.
I FEEL LIKE ALL, ALL CITY DIVISIONS AND DEPARTMENTS ARE IN SOME PHASE OF PLANNING AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
SO, UM, I THINK IT'S A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, LOOK CLOSELY AT WHAT WE HAVE PLANNED FOR THE AREA, BUT THEN THINK ABOUT ALSO WHAT THIS PROJECT WOULD NEED.
AND THEN, UH, THE, THIS QUESTION'S ALSO FOR STAFF, THE UPCOMING GENERAL PLAN UPDATE, WHICH WE ALL ARE EMBROILED IN AND WE ALL KNOW IS YET TO BE COMPLETED.
UH, BUT IF YOU COULD JUST GIVE ME A KIND OF A DIRECTION OF WHERE THIS WOULD BE GOING.
WHAT WILL THE SITE, WHAT WILL THIS AREA LIKELY BE CALLING FOR IN TERMS OF DENSITY, ZONING, HEIGHT? I JUST WANT TO, WE HAVE A HISTORY GIVEN, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE PS IN THIS AREA ALONE.
WE HAVE AN, A HISTORY OF JUST PLOPPING THINGS IN AND HOPING IT'LL GET FIXED LATER.
SO I JUST WANT TO KEEP IN MIND, WILL THIS FIT NICELY WITH WHAT WE WERE PLANNING FOR THAT AREA? WILL IT BE AN OUTLIER OR SOMETHING IN BETWEEN? SURE.
AT, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THE, UM, LAND USE ALTERNATIVES THAT ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION ARE, OR, UM, BEING ENVISIONED WOULD LOOK TO, UM, INCREASING THE INTENSITY OF DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA THROUGH, UM, A CHANGE OF LAND USE DESIGNATION TO MIXED USE.
SO WHAT THAT WILL GET US IS AN INCREASE IN FAR, I BELIEVE, TO 2.0, WHICH ALLOWS FOR A, A HIGHER INTENSITY OF LAND DEVELOPMENT AND, AND THEREFORE DENSITY.
WHAT I THINK THE GENERAL PLAN WOULD NEED TO LOOK AT AS A MATTER OF POLICY IS WOULD THAT INCLUDE A, UM, INCREASE IN BUILDING HEIGHT? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW OUR BUILDING HEIGHTS WOULD MAKE, LIKE, IN THIS CASE, WOULD NOT SUPPORT A PROJECT THAT IS WITHIN THE FAR, BUT IS EXCEEDING THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE BUILDING HEIGHT OF THE IMPLEMENTING ZONING DISTRICT.
SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE PUD WITH THIS PROJECT IS THAT OUR ZONING DISTRICTS, UM, PERHAPS DON'T NECESSARILY SUPPORT, UH, SOME OF THE INTENSITY OF DEVELOPMENT THAT OUR, UM, LAND USE DESIGNATIONS WOULD THROUGH FAR, ESPECIALLY IN THE MIXED USE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS.
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THAT, THAT ALSO PROBABLY HELPS ANSWER WHAT MY SECOND QUE MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION WAS GOING TO BE, WHICH IS IT, HAVING LOOKED AT THE, THE ZONING MAP FOR THE AREA, IT SEEMS LIKE JUST A HIGH NUMBER OF A HIGH CONCENTRATION OF PUDS FOR ONE PART OF TOWN.UM, I KNOW EACH ONE IS KIND OF ITS OWN UNIQUE STORY HISTORY EXEMPTION WILL, AND I HATE FRAMING IT LIKE THIS, BUT WILL THIS FALL IN LINE WITH THE CHARACTER THAT'S KIND OF EVOLVED FROM THAT CONCENTRATION OF PUDS? WELL, I THINK IT IS TRUE.
YOU KNOW, NOT JUST, I THINK WE SEE IT, UH, IN THIS AREA, BUT, YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE PETALUMA HAS 147 PUDS, OR PCDS, QUITE A LARGE NUMBER THERE.
THERE ARE SOME IN, IN THE, UM, PLANNING PROFESSION WHO WOULD ARGUE THAT THE EXTENSIVE USE OF PUDS OR PCDS IS A SIGN OF, YOU KNOW, A A GENERAL PLAN AND A ZONING ORDINANCE THAT DON'T SUPPORT, UM, DEVELOPMENT PREFERENCES IN THE LOCAL COMMUNITY.
SO HOW, IF THAT'S HOW THEY EVOLVED, YOU KNOW, BACK, I THINK WHEN A LOT OF THESE PUDS AND PCDS WERE ADOPTED, THEY WERE QUITE COMMON, UH, NOT JUST IN PETALUMA, BUT IN COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT THE NATION.
THEY WERE CONSIDERED TO BE, UH, AN EFFECTIVE TOOL FOR ACHIEVING, UH, DEVELOPMENT PREFERENCES.
UM, OUTSIDE OF, OUTSIDE OF THE MORE LINEAR CODES THAT WERE IN PLACE AT THE TIME.
I THINK TO TODAY, OUR CODES HAVE EVOLVED IN COMPLEXITY AS WELL AS, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO ALLOW FOR, UM, DEVELOPMENT PREFERENCES TO BE EXHIBITED.
I THINK AS, AS THE APPLICANT TEAM SUGGESTED, WE, WE DON'T NECESSARILY LOOK TO THE PUDS FOR ESTABLISHING, UM, EXCEPTIONAL DESIGN.
I THINK, UH, IN THIS AREA, WE, IT, IT IS DIFFICULT TO POINT TO, UH, EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS, PARTICULARLY IN, IN NEARBY, UM, AND, UH, AND DRAW SOME DESIGN CUES FROM THOSE.
SO I THINK IN THAT SENSE, THE PROJECT DOES IN A WAY, STANDALONE.
UH, BUT IT'S ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY TO BEGIN TO CREATE SOME DESIGN STANDARDS UP ON THIS NORTH END OF THE BOULEVARD BECAUSE I THINK NOT ONLY ARE WE, ARE WE APPROACHING THE EXTENT OF THE CITY LIMIT, BUT WE'RE ALSO APPROACHING THE EXTENT OF THAT SORT OF HIGHER INTENSITY MIXED USE THAT OCCURS THROUGHOUT THE BOULEVARD AND, AND REACHING THAT SORT LOGICAL, UM, TERMINUS, IF YOU WILL, ON THE NORTHERN END OF THE BOULEVARD.
SO IT REALLY DOES, THE PUDI THINK GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, TO SHAPE THIS PROJECT IN A MEANINGFUL WAY.
AND IN DOING SO, UM, BEGIN TO SET THE STANDARD FOR, UH, WHAT WOULD, WHAT WE WOULD HOPE TO SEE AS INFILL DEVELOPMENT FROM DOWNTOWN UP TO, UM, THIS POINT ON, ON, UH, PETALUMA BOULEVARD NORTH.
SO IN AN ODD WAY, THIS, THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO KIND OF PUT THE ONUS ON US TO TRY AND STEER KIND OF FUTURE TRAJECTORY, EVEN AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH A GENERAL PLAN PROCESS.
THAT'S A, A GREAT WAY OF SUCCINCTLY SAYING IT.
UM, GOT THROUGH PD SORRY, I HAD MORE THAN A FEW QUESTIONS.
I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF RATTLE THROUGH.
OH, THIS WAS, THIS WAS BROUGHT UP, UH, BY A PUBLIC COMMENT THAT'D COME TO US ONLINE, BUT SOMETHING THAT I DON'T THINK I EVER THOUGHT ABOUT THE LAST TIME WE HAD A, A RESIDENTIAL CARE PROJECT.
AND MIND YOU, I KNOW THIS IS THE FIRST CCRC, BUT, UM, WHAT DOES THE KIND OF WASTE OUTPUT LOOK LIKE FOR A FACILITY LIKE THIS? AND HOW IS THAT USUALLY MITIGATED JUST CONSIDERING THE DENSITY OF USES THEY'RE HAPPENING ONSITE AT ANY GIVEN TIME? DID YOU HEAR THAT? UH, I'M SORRY, I WAS LOOKING FOR THE LOCATION OF THE CLOSEST FIRE STATION
I LOOK THESE THINGS, APPRECIATE THE DILIGENCE.
I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION, SIR? SO, THIS WAS A QUESTION THAT I NEVER THOUGHT TO A ASK THE LAST TIME WE HAD A RESIDENTIAL FACILITY COME UP.
BUT I'VE, I'VE GOTTA IMAGINE THERE'S A HIGHER, HIGHER OUTPUT OF JUST WASTE AND ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS WITH A SITE LIKE THIS.
JUST GIVEN THE NUMBER OF ACTIVITIES THAT ARE TAKING PLACE IN ONE LOCATION.
I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE GOAL IS TO HAVE RESIDENTS WELL NETWORKED TO THE COMMUNITY, BUT THEY'RE STILL PREDOMINANTLY DOING A LOT IN ONE SITE.
SO MY QUESTION IS, UH, FOR OTHER SITES THAT YOU'VE HAD, HOW HAVE YOU MITIGATED INCREASED WASTE? OR IS THAT JUST NOT A CONCERN? AND I'M JUST IGNORANT TO HOW THIS WORKS.
UH, I, AS YOU CAN SEE, I ATTEND A LOT OF THESE MEETINGS.
UM, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, LIKE I, I THINK THE MOST,
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BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T DINE IN THEIR OWN APARTMENTS, I WOULD SAY THAT ACTUALLY LESS WASTE IS GENERATED OKAY.THAT SAID, UM, I, IT'S BEEN MY EXPERIENCE THAT OUR, UH, ORGANIZATION PROVIDES A LARGE ENOUGH KIND OF DUMPSTER AREA AND IS WILLING TO COMMIT THE RESOURCES TO MAKE SURE THAT WORKING WITH WHATEVER THE LOCAL TRASH COMPANY IS TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE SUFFICIENT PICKUPS FOR THAT.
FOR INSTANCE, I'M IN WORKING AT A COMMUNITY IN SAN RAFAEL RIGHT NOW.
IT'S GOT, UH, ABOUT 80 RESIDENTS RIGHT NOW.
AND, UM, WE JUST HAVE THREE PICKUPS A WEEK WITH A SMALL THREE AND A HALF YARD DUMPSTER.
UM, FOR US, ADDITIONALLY, UM, MOST OF THE WASTE COMES FROM THE KITCHEN AND THAT'S TYPICALLY, UM, IT'S TYPICALLY, UM, KIND OF GOES, THAT'S WHERE WE KIND OF USUALLY KEEP THAT DUMPSTER AREA SOMEWHERE NEAR THE KITCHEN.
BUT AS FAR AS, UM, THE RESIDENTIAL WASTE, UM, WE TAKE IT OUT FOR THEM, UH, DURING THEIR WEEKLY HOUSEKEEPING SERVICES.
AND I'VE NEVER HAD A CHALLENGE WHERE THERE WAS TOO MUCH TRASH.
WELL, RELATED TO THAT, HAVE YOU HAD SITES WHERE COMPOSTING ON SITE WAS REQUIRED IN SAN RAFAEL? IT'S CURRENTLY REQUIRED.
HAS IT, HAS IT WORKED WELL OR IT'S WORKED VERY WELL.
THE, THE, THE, UH, ORGANIZA THE CITY WHO HAS THEIR WASTE CONTRACT WITH PROVIDES US WITH THE RECEPTACLES AND WE JUST SORT OF SAY, OKAY, WELL TUESDAYS AND THURSDAYS IS COMPOST DAY.
I DID A PROJECT IN CYPRUS FOR A DIFFERENT COMPANY, WE'RE COMPOST WAS REQUIRED.
BUT IT'S BEEN MY EXPERIENCE AT THE PRO THE, THE WASTE PROVIDERS MAKE IT VERY EASY FOR US.
AND THEN RELATED ONLY ON THAT CLIMATE FRONT, UM, AND I RECOGNIZE THIS CONCEPTUAL DESIGN, BUT HAVE OTHER SITES REQUIRED, FOR EXAMPLE, SOLAR, SOLAR FOR POWER, AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S EASY ENOUGH FOR YOU TO INCLUDE OR WOULD THERE BE ISSUES? I WOULDN'T BE COMFORTABLE SPEAKING TO THAT.
I'VE NEVER BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE PROJECT THAT HAS SOLAR ADDED AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE.
SO I CAN'T COMFORTABLY SPEAK TO, EXCUSE ME.
MR. COMMISSIONER, I THINK TO TO YOUR POINT, THAT BEING REALLY EARLY IN THE PROCESS AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE NOT, UH, WE HAVE NOT CROSSED THAT, UH, THAT THRESHOLD I WOULD LIKE TO FLAG.
WE'VE REQUIRED IT FOR A LOT OF PROJECTS, ESPECIALLY AT THIS KIND OF SCALE.
SO IF YOU'D BE WILLING TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, THAT'D BE VERY MUCH APPRECIATED.
CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO ADD WITH REGARD TO, UH, WASTE MANAGEMENT, UM, I BELIEVE COMPOSTING IS NOW REQUIRED, UH, BY COMMERCIAL FACILITIES.
AND ALSO WE'VE, WE'VE RECENTLY ADOPTED A POLICY WHERE PART OF THE INITIAL REFERRAL PROCESS WE REFER TO ECOLOGY.
SO THEY'RE INCLUDED ON THE FRONT END TO ENSURE THAT FACILITIES ARE ADEQUATE TO PROVIDE FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, TO, UH, TRASH DISPOSAL COMPOST.
SO WE THINK THAT WILL ALSO, UH, HELP TO SUPPORT WASTE MANAGEMENT ON THESE LARGER PROJECTS.
ARE THEY CONSIDERED COMMERCIAL? WELL, RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL, BUT YEAH, THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD.
I'M CERTAIN TAKE OR CONTRACT WITH RECOLOGY ON A COMMERCIAL BASIS.
UM, FOR THE, I'M THINKING ABOUT COMMUNITY CONNECTIONS RIGHT NOW.
UM, HAVE YOU, AND I KNOW THIS IS EARLY, SO I'M GUESSING THE ANSWER WILL BE NO, AND THAT'S COMPLETELY REASONABLE.
UH, WE'VE GOT PETALUMA BOUNTY RIGHT NEAR NEAR TO YOU, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH PLUMA BOUNTY, BUT IT, IT DOES A LOT WHEN IT COMES TO YOUTH URBAN FARMING AND THERE'S A LOT OF POTENTIAL THERE, NOT ONLY TO GET VEGETABLES AND PRODUCE DIRECTLY FROM A NEARBY SOURCE, BUT ALSO FOR THE SENIOR RESIDENTS TO BE WORKING DIRECTLY WITH MULTIPLE GENERATIONS OF RESIDENTS IN THE CITY.
IS THIS THE KIND OF THING YOU WERE PLANNING FOR, OR WOULD BE WILLING TO PLAN FOR? YEAH, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD, UH, UH, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION AND IT'S A GOOD ACKNOWLEDGEMENT.
UH, I, I, I AM PERSONALLY FAMILIAR WITH, WITH PETALUMA BOUNTY.
UH, WE HAD PROGRAMMING SPECIFICALLY WEARING A PRIOR HAT WHEN I WAS WITH BURBANK HOUSING, UH, WHERE WE WORKED WITH, UH, PETAL AND BOUNTY AND THE RESIDENTS, UH, AT BURBANK HOUSING.
AND I WOULD ENVISION THAT THERE WOULD BE POTENTIAL PROGRAMMING, UH, WITHIN THE FACILITY THAT WOULD INCORPORATE SOME TYPE OF, UH, PARTICIPATION AND CONNECTION.
AS I, AS I MENTIONED, UH, COMMITTEES AND GROUPS ARE OFTEN RESIDENT LED.
AND WHAT WE FOUND IN OTHER FACILITIES IS A LOT OF, UH, ENGAGEMENT AND PARTNERSHIP, UH, WITH SCHOOLS, UH, WITH NONPROFITS.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, AGAIN, BEING PART OF THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, BEING PART OF THE GREATER COMMUNITY, UM, UH, I CAN'T TELL YOU WITH CERTAINTY THAT THAT WOULD HAPPEN.
UH, BUT I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THAT
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WOULD BE A VERY UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY BASED ON THE PROXIMITY OF THE FARM, UH, AND THIS RESIDENT FACILITY.IT IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING I WANTED TO JUST FLAG EARLIER.
UM, AND I REALIZE I'VE BEEN ASKING QUESTIONS FOR QUITE A WHILE, SO I PROMISE YOU I'M ALMOST DONE.
UH, SPEAKING OF COMMUNITY CONNECTIONS, CONSIDERING THIS WILL BE OUR, OUR FIRST AND ONLY C FOR AT LEAST A WHILE, CCRC, AND WE ARE A COMMUNITY THAT'S AGING IN PLACE.
I, I CAN HONESTLY SEE THE INCREDIBLE VALUE OF HAVING THIS IN THE CITY REGARDLESS OF WHERE, BUT I DID WANT TO ASK, JUST BASED ON THE, IT SEEMS EXTENSIVE SERIES OF SITES THAT YOU'VE ALREADY SET UP, WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF THE KIND OF SIT AMENITIES A CITY NEEDS TO PLAN FOR 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD AS THIS FACILITY KIND OF AGES WITH THE CITY? I'M JUST TRYING TO KEEP IN MIND 'CAUSE WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A GENERAL PLAN PROCESS, SO I'M JUST TRYING TO LIKE, THE MORE WE KNOW NOW THE, THE BETTER THIS'LL BE AS OPPOSED TO TRYING TO DEAL WITH THIS FIVE YEARS FROM NOW OR SIX YEARS FROM NOW.
WHAT ARE YOUR SENIORS WANT FROM THE STATE? YEAH,
UM, IT'S BEEN MY EXPERIENCE THAT CERTAIN MUNICIPALITIES DO BETTER THAN OTHERS WHEN IT COMES TO, UM, RECREATION.
YOU KNOW, ACCESS TO, UM, ADULT EDUCATION, UH, ACCESS TO, EVEN THOUGH WE'LL HAVE A, A STATE OF THE ART FITNESS CENTER, I CAN TELL YOU, UH, THAT THE COMMUNITY I'M AT NOW, UM, JUST RIGHT ACROSS THE 1 0 1, THERE'S AN EX A BIG FITNESS CENTER AT THE JCC THAT PEOPLE LOVE TO GO TO THE, THE, THE INITIAL POPULATION THAT WILL MOVE INTO OUR COMMUNITY WILL AGE IN PLACE.
LIKE YOU SAID, THEY'LL WANT TO BE ABLE TO GO OUT FOR THE DAY AND GO TO THE LIBRARY, GO TO A MUSEUM.
I KNOW, UM, FORGIVE ME, BUT IS IT BUTTER DAYS AND, AND BUTTER AND EGG TAPE.
I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT THAT.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE KIND OF THING THAT, UH, THAT OUR COMMUNITIES RESIDENTS WOULD LOVE TO BE INVITED TO OR PARTICIPATE IN.
THEY WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A BOOTH THERE.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT, IT'S, THEY, THEY, THE FOLKS ARE JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE RETIRED, THEY STILL WANNA BE INVOLVED ACTIVELY IN THE COMMUNITY.
SO THAT'S KIND OF BEEN MY EXPERIENCE.
I, I DO KNOW THAT I HAVE SPENT SOME TIME IN, IN PETALUMA, I LIVED IN WINDSOR FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND I KNOW PETALUMA DOES A PRETTY GOOD JOB SO FAR COMPARED TO SOME OTHER TOWNS THAT I'VE WORKED AT.
SO I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
'CAUSE IT, IT REALLY SPEAKS TO THE FACT THAT SHOULD, SHOULD THIS PROJECT MOVE FORWARD, WE WILL NEED TO ACCOUNT FOR HAVING LOCAL TRANSIT READY TO TAKE RESIDENTS TO THESE SITES, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S BUTTER AND EGGS.
BUT WE HAVE OUR CAR SHOW, WE HAVE A WHOLE HOST OF HISTORICAL COMMUNITY EVENTS THROUGHOUT THE YEARS.
I THINK PETALUMA IS BURSTING AT THE SEAMS WITH EVENTS AT THIS POINT.
SO, SUPER, IT'S GOOD TO KNOW THAT THAT'S THE KIND OF THING WE'LL NEED TO PREPARE FOR THE MOST.
AND THEN MY, MY LAST QUESTION AND THEN I'LL STOP 'CAUSE I KNOW THE REST OF THE COMMISSION WILL ADDRESS SOME OF THESE POINTS, UM, IN, IN TERMS OF THE GAR THE LANDSCAPING.
AND I'M ONLY GONNA TOUCH BRIEFLY ON THIS.
UH, I, I ASSUME YOU WANT TO GO FOR NATIVE TREES AND SHRUBBERY, I ASSUME, I ASSUME YOU'LL WANNA WORK WITH THE CITY ON, I KNOW AN EXTENSIVE TREE ORDINANCE THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON.
UM, BUT I WAS LISTENING TO YOUR EXPLANATION OF THE, THE MEMORY.
WHICH BY THE WAY SOUNDS HEARTBREAKING, BUT I CAN ALSO UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S NEEDED.
UH, AND THEN YOU MENTIONED HAVING PLANTER BEDS FOR, I THINK IF I HEARD THAT CORRECTLY, PLANTER BEDS FOR THE RESIDENTS.
'CAUSE FRANKLY THERE AREN'T A LOT OF PARKS NEARBY.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THIS AS A JOKE, IT'S JUST TO UNDERSCORE THE CLOSEST THING TO A PARK NEARBY IS THE CEMETERY.
AND THAT'S THE LAST THING REALLY.
NOT TRYING, TRYING TO DO THAT, BUT IT'S THE LAST THING WE WANT RESIDENTS TO GO TO.
SO THAT ONSITE ACCESS WITH NATURE AND GREENERY IS GONNA BE ALL THAT MUCH MORE IMPORTANT.
WILL, WILL, THE LANDSCAPE DESIGN FOR THAT KIND OF OUTSIDE ACTIVATION WILL ONLY ALLOW FOR A PORTION OF THE RESIDENTS TO BE ABLE TO START GETTING INTO GARDENING, BEING ACTIVE OUTDOORS? OR IN YOUR EXPERIENCE, HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO REALLY STACK IT WELL FOR THE VOLUME YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? UM, IN OUR EXPERIENCE, IT'S NOT A HUGE AMOUNT OF RESIDENTS THAT WILL USE THE RAISED BEDS, BUT IT'LL BE THE PEOPLE WHO'VE DONE IT THEIR WHOLE LIVES THAT ARE USED TO GARDENING THAT WILL USE THOSE.
THERE'S BOCCE COURT, UM, THE PICKLEBALL, THERE'S UM, WE'RE SHOWING LIKE A PASSIVE RECREATION
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AREA WHERE YOU CAN SIT AND LOOK AT THE, THE WATER WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A KOI POND.WE'VE DONE THAT AT OTHER FACILITIES.
UM, SO THAT THERE, THAT THERE'S A PLACE FOR EVERYONE.
SO IF YOU'RE, WHETHER YOU'RE A GARDENER, YOU LIKE TO WATCH THE FISH
UM, IT'S REALLY ALL INCLUSIVE.
CAN I JUST ASK A QUICK FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO PICK YOU UP AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON? YEAH.
UM, IF STAFF COULD, UM, CHIME IN HERE.
WHAT IS OUR CURRENT SITUATION ON RESTRICTIONS FOR NEW POOLS AND WATER FEATURES? 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT DROUGHT TIMES THAT DEFINITELY WAS A NO GO.
UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT POOLS ARE NOW BEING PERMITTED.
UM, THAT RESTRICTION WAS LIFTED, UH, FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF POOLS SPECIFICALLY.
I DON'T KNOW, UM, ON THE OTHER RESTRICTIONS FOR DROUGHT, WHERE THOSE STAND, I'D HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT, UM, AT THAT, THAT LANGUAGE.
BUT I KNOW POOLS ARE, ARE CURRENTLY BEING PERMITTED.
SO I'M GONNA GO BACK TO THE SOLAR AND ARE YOU PLANNING FULL ELECTRIFICATION FOR THE BUILDING? I COULD YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION PLEASE? ARE YOU PLANNING FULL ELECTRIFICATION FOR THE BUILDING? NO GAS, JUST ELECTRIC.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.
UH, COUNCILWOMAN AT THIS POINT, THE ANSWER IS NO.
WE'RE EARLY, UH, IN THE DESIGN.
UH, BUT THE ANSWER IS, IS NO, WE'RE NOT, WE HAVE, HAVE NOT, UH, CONSIDERED THAT PLAN.
UM, I AT THIS POINT, UH, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THERE YET.
COUNCIL MEMBER, I BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO OUR ALL ELECTRIC ORDINANCE.
THEY, THERE WOULD BE NO EXCEPTIONS THAT THEY WOULD QUALIFY FOR.
SO THERE'S A HUNDRED AND ONE TWENTY ONE SUBPAR AND 30 SURFACE.
AND THEN I THOUGHT THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT OFFSITE PARKING.
YEAH, THE CURRENT, THE, THE, THE CURRENT PLAN, UH, INCLUDES EIGHT, UH, PARKING SPACES ALONG PETALUMA BOULEVARD.
WE HAVE NOT FULLY FLESHED THAT OUT, BUT THAT IS CURRENTLY THE PARKING, UH, PROGRAM THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING TO REACH THE 159 SPACES.
UM, BUT YOU WERE ALSO SAYING THAT THE 121 SPACES ARE NORMALLY NOT UTILIZED.
SO HOW MA WHAT, WHAT IS THE PERCENTAGE THAT IS UTILIZED? UH, THE PERCENTAGE.
I REMEMBER THAT EARLIER OF THE UNDERGROUND PARKING OF THE UNDERGROUND, UH, ABOUT 75, 80%.
SO, SO IS IT ONE CAR PER, IS THERE A, A MINIMUM, DO YOU REQUIRE JUST ONE CAR PER UNIT OR CAN PEOPLE HAVE TWO CARS? UH, IT, IT BOTH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S BOTH.
THERE IS NO SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT.
UH, BUT YOU KNOW, WE, WE DO HAVE, UM, WE WOULD HAVE LIMITATIONS BASED ON, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES AVAILABLE UNDERGROUND.
BUT THERE ARE NO SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS, UH, AS I UNDERSTAND.
'CAUSE WHAT I'M THINKING IS IF IT'S ONE CAR, MAYBE YOU COULD HAVE CARS THAT PEOPLE COULD BORROW FOR THE DAY.
SO, 'CAUSE WE REALLY ARE TRYING TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF SURE.
CARS IN A, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE THERE.
AND, AND, AND AS I SAID, I MEAN, WE DO HAVE THE, UH, YOU KNOW, CHAUFFEUR SERVICES THAT WOULD BE OFFERED TO THE RESIDENTS.
AND, AND OFTENTIMES WE'LL FIND THAT, UH, RESIDENTS WILL, WILL, WILL NOT HAVE A CAR OR WILL NOT WANT TO DRIVE.
UH, BUT THEY HAVE THAT SERVICE AVAILABILITY TO 'EM.
AND I KNOW THE RESIDENTS ON THAT LIVE OFF SYCAMORE, THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT EXCESS PARKING ON THAT STREET ALSO.
AND PETALUMA BOULEVARD'S FAIRLY BUSY.
SO I'M QUESTIONING, UM, ADDING SPACES ON THE BOULEVARD THAT YOU'RE ADDING TO YOUR NUMBERS THAT YOU NEED.
AND HOW MANY UNITS DO YOU HAVE HERE? 120 UNITS ARE PROPOSED, UH, WITH AN ADDITIONAL 12 MEMORY CARE UNITS, THE MEMORY CARE.
AND THOSE ARE STUDIOS, PARDON ME? THOSE ARE STUDIOS, MEMORY CARE STUDIOS.
AND, UM, WITH, DO YOU HAVE, ARE THERE ANY, LIKE WITH A FULL KITCHEN OR IS IT JUST OH, NO.
ALL, ALL, ALL OF THE, UH, UNITS HAVE, UH, HAVE, HAVE, HAVE, HAVE, HAVE A FULL KITCHEN.
SO THEY CAN, SO THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO EAT IN THE DINING ROOM? ABSOLUTELY NOT.
IN FACT, THEY'RE, THEY, YOU KNOW, WE FOUND SOME HAVE A PREFERENCE TO, TO COOK AND TO PREPARE THEIR OWN MEALS.
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UM, OKAY.AND THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.
AND I'M KIND OF CONCERNED ABOUT THE ENTRY BEING ON THE BOULEVARD, YOU KNOW, AND WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE MAP, SYCAMORE WOULD BE COMPLICATED.
UM, BUT DID YOU CONSIDER PUTTING THE ENTRANCE ON SYCAMORE INSTEAD OF IN THE FRONT? NO.
AND FOR THE, THE, THE SAME REASONS THAT, I MEAN, WE SAW THE LETTERS, UH, IN THE STAFF REPORT FROM RESIDENTS ALONG SYCAMORE AND LONG ACORN THAT HAD CONCERNS SPECIFICALLY AROUND, AROUND THAT THOROUGHFARE.
AND, AND THE ANSWER IS NOW WE FOUND, UH, UH, GREATER ACCESSIBILITY ON PETALUMA BOULEVARD THAN, THAN, THAN WE WOULD ON SYCAMORE SYCAMORE'S A LITTLE TIGHTER, BUT IT'S SAFER.
UM, WHAT OTHER QUESTIONS, AND I WANNA GO BACK TO THE TWO ELEVATORS.
SO WHERE ARE THE TWO ELEVATORS LOCATED? IF YOU LOOK AT THE FLOOR PLAN? UM, I DON'T KNOW, UH, ANDREW, IF YOU CAN, IF YOU CAN PUT THAT, UH, I DUNNO IF YOU CAN SPECIFICALLY ZOOM IN ON THE WING, BUT YOU GOT AN ELEVATOR ON THE NORTH WING AND EFFECTIVELY AN ELEVATOR ON THE SOUTH WING.
WHERE'S THAT? SO IF YOU LOOK DOWN RIGHT, IF YOU HAVE A POINTER RIGHT THERE.
YOU SEE THAT COUNCIL I IN? NO, I CAN SEE IT.
SO I WANNA GO BACK TO THE PARKING UNDERGROUND.
IS THERE A WAY THAT YOU COULD DO, UM, STACKED PARKING? 'CAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THOSE THREE SURFACE PARKING AND IT LOOKS LIKE THAT WOULD MAKE THE GREAT AMENITIES, YOU KNOW, FOR THE RESIDENTS INSTEAD OF HAVING PARKING THERE.
SO HAVE YOU LOOKED AT DOING THE STACKED PARKING? NO.
WOULD YOU CONSIDER LOOKING AT THAT? UM, WITHOUT, UH, WANTING TO COMMIT, UH, TO, TO, TO DOING STACK PARKING? I MEAN, THERE, THERE ARE ADDITIONAL COMPLEXES THAT WITH STACK PARKING, THERE'S, I DON'T WANNA SAY COST, UH, PROHIBIT STACK PARKING.
UM, AT THIS POINT, I'M NOT PREPARED TO, TO SAY THAT.
I'M OPEN TO LOOK AT THAT, BUT, OKAY.
AND HOW MANY STAFF DO YOU HAVE IN DAY AND NIGHT? UH, I DON'T HAVE, UH, THAT FULLY FLESHED OUT.
SAM, MAYBE YOU CAN GIVE US A, A, A FRAME OF REFERENCE AS TO THE NUMBER OF UNITS AND POTENTIAL STAFF MEMBERS THAT WE MIGHT SEE FOR A FACILITY LIKE THIS.
SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE ARE PRESENTING, UH, UH, A PLAN THAT IS CONCEPTUAL FOR THE COMMISSION TO LOOK AT.
AND SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE BEING ASKED, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT QUITE THERE YET, BUT MAYBE SAM CAN TOUCH ON, ON STAFFING.
UM, I, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SHIFTS IN SENIOR LIVING TEND TO BE A LITTLE, UM, LESS TRADITIONAL.
UM, SO, UM, UH, JUST TO DO IT IN MY HEAD, YOU'D HAVE THE, UM, ABOUT ABOUT EIGHT TO 10 FROM SIX TO TWO.
UM, YOU MIGHT HAVE EIGHT TO 10 FROM TWO TO 11, UH, THREE TO 11.
AND THEN I THINK AT PEAK TIMES, WE MIGHT HAVE LIKE 25 TO 30 ON STAFF FOR DURING THE PEAK TIME, BUT COMING IN AND OUT, SOME PEOPLE DO SPLIT SHIFTS AND THINGS.
UM, THE DINING ROOM STAFF FOR DINNER TENDS TO BE ONLY FROM 4:00 PM TO 8:00 PM UH, BECAUSE WE EMPLOY STUDENTS.
AND, AND PART-TIME FOR THAT, UM, I WOULD SAY A BUILDING THIS SIZE WOULD HAVE A TOTAL STAFF OF MAYBE, UH, PROBABLY ABOUT 85 OR 90 FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES WHEN AT FULL CAPACITY AND NO MORE THAN 25 OR 30 WOULD, THAT WOULD BE THE PEAK TIME.
THE, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN TWO O'CLOCK AND 10 O'CLOCK IN THE EVENING, YOU MIGHT HAVE ABOUT 15 PEOPLE.
AND THEN ON THE OVERNIGHT SHIFT, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT HAVE FOUR.
SO DOES THE PARKING INCLUDE FOR STAFF? I THINK THERE'S PLENTY OF PARKING FOR STAFF, SO THEY WON'T BE ON THE STREET.
I WOULD HOPE THAT, WELL, I COULDN'T GUARANTEE THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT FORBIDDEN TO PARK ON THE STREET, AND SOME STAFF WOULD LIKE TO, AND I, I WOULDN'T SAY THEY WOULD BE EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN TO BE ON THE STREET, BUT I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S A PROBLEM THAT I FACE AS AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.
A LOT OF COMMUNITIES, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE PARKING ON THE STREET, TAKE UP THE SPACES, WE WORK ON IT.
RED, RED PAINT DOES A GOOD JOB.
SO IS THERE A WELL BACK TO TRANSIT? UM, ARE WE PROPOSING A TRANSIT SITE CLOSE TO
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THERE? WE HAVEN'T ANALYZED TO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL YET.SO THAT WOULD, UH, BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD DO AS PART OF THE REVIEW PROCESS.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THE ENTRANCE ON THE BOULEVARD VERSUS ON SYCAMORE.
UM, AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW.
UM, I WAS INTRIGUED THAT YOU HAD A DENTAL HYGIENIST.
WE DON'T HAVE A SKILLED NURSING FACILITY ON STAFF.
WE WILL EMPLOY AT LEAST FIVE DAYS A WEEK TO START OUT A, A MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL IN THE FORM OF A NURSE WHO WOULD OVERSEE THE CARE STAFF AS WELL AS THE PEOPLE WHO DELIVER MEDICATIONS.
AND THEN ALL OF THE STAFF HAS TO BE, UH, FIRST AID TRAINED BY STATE LAW.
UH, AND THEN STATE LAW ALSO SAYS THERE HAS TO BE, UM, AT LEAST ONE PERSON PER SHIFT WHO'S TRAINED IN CPR.
THAT'S A STATE, I GUESS I, I'M ACTUALLY GOING TOWARD, UM, THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A SECTION THAT I WAS READING THAT YOU HAD LIKE THERAPISTS, YOU KNOW, A THERAPIST WOULD BE THERE TO DO PHYSICAL THERAPY FOR PEOPLE.
SO IS THAT ACTUALLY PROVIDED ON THE SITE AND THEN YOU'D HAVE A DENTAL HYGIENIST? WE, WE WOULD E I'M JUST CURIOUS.
A LOT OF TIMES ORGANIZATIONS WOULD OUTSOURCE THAT, BUT YES, THERE'S A, UM, I, I THOUGHT I SAW ON THE PLANS THERE WAS A, LIKE AN OFFICE FOR, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES THERE'S CONCIERGE PHYSICIANS THAT WILL COME TO OUR SITE THAT WE PARTNER WITH.
SO RESIDENTS DON'T HAVE TO TAKE THE TIME TO GO TO, TO, FOR ELDERLY RESIDENT TO SCHLEP TO THE DOCTOR.
SO WE, WE, WE DO PARTNER WITH PHYSICAL THERAPY ORGANIZATIONS, UM, UM, CONCIERGE STYLE, UH, MOBILE, UH, MEDICAL PRACTICES ARE ALL THE RAGE, UH, THESE THINGS.
AND SO I KNOW THAT THIS COMMUNITY HAS THE FACILITIES FOR THOSE, WHETHER WE PROVIDE IT OR AN OUTSIDE PROVIDER.
WELL, I GUESS I'M JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE ONE OF THEM WAS A DENTAL HYGIENIST.
ARE YOU ACTUALLY GONNA HAVE A ROOM THAT IS EQUIPPED FOR THAT, OR IS, I'M JUST CURIOUS.
I, I WOULD MENTIONED IT'S BEEN, IT HAS NOT BEEN MY EXPERIENCE THAT THERE'S A DENTAL HYGIENIST SPECIFIC ROOM WITH A DENTIST CHAIR.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT MOBILE, UH, DENTAL HYGIENISTS ARE EXTREMELY COMMON AND WE ARE REQUIRED BY LAW TO PROVIDE ACCESS FOR, TO OUR RESIDENTS FOR THOSE SERVICES, AND WE WOULD ALLOW AN OUTSIDE PROVIDER TO COME IN AND DO THAT.
I'M ASKING JUST BECAUSE IT WAS WRITTEN DOWN AND I'M JUST CURIOUS OF THAT PROCESS.
YEAH, WE, WE DEFINITELY DON'T HAVE A DENTIST CHAIR.
UM, I'M, I, UM, AM DONE FOR NOW.
AND AS FAR AS THE CEMETERY, IT IS A GREAT PLACE TO WALK, BY THE WAY.
THERE'S A LOT OF HISTORY THERE.
IF YOU CAN GET THROUGH THE BIG GATE.
I JUST WANT THEM TO HAVE MORE OPTIONS.
UM, A QUESTION FOR ANDREW, IF, UH, DOES STAFF HAVE THE APPLICANT PRESENTATION HANDY? BECAUSE I WANTED TO GO TO THE SLIDE THAT SAID SITE MAP ON THE APPLICANT PRESENTATION.
AND WHILE THEY'RE BRINGING THAT UP, UM, IF ANYONE ON THE PROJECT TEAM JUST WANTS TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE EXTERIOR DESIGN STYLE, YOU KNOW, WE SAW SOME OF THE REFERENCE POINTS IN TOWN.
WAS THAT KIND OF THE MAIN FOCUS OF WHAT INFORMED THAT EXTERIOR STYLE? WAS THERE ANY DRAWING FROM, YOU KNOW, OUR KIND OF AG UH, WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY, LIKE THE GREEN BELT THAT YOU'RE FEATHERING IN FROM AS YOU COME DOWN PETALUMA BOULEVARD, THAT WAY, SOME OF THE HISTORIC BACKGROUND OF PETALUMA, DOES THAT FILTER IN HERE AS WELL? DO YOU SEE THAT SHOWING UP OR IS IT PRIMARILY THE REFERENCE POINTS OF, OF WHAT WE ALREADY, UH, HAVE IN THIS AREA? YEAH, I MEAN, WE WERE USING, UH, AGAIN, THE PRIMARY REFERENCE POINTS THAT WERE IN THE AREA.
AND PART OF, I THINK THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD WITH STAFF WAS TO, UM, PRESENT THE CONCEPT TO THE COMMISSION.
AND WE, WE, WE RECOGNIZE THAT THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT WILL TO SOME EXTENT KICK OFF WHAT DESIGN GUIDELINES OR STANDARDS ARE IMPLEMENTED BY THE COMMISSION ALONG THAT CORRIDOR.
UM, IT WAS REALLY HARD, QUITE FRANKLY, TO ARTICULATE WHAT WE WOULD PRESENT BASED ON WHAT ISN'T CURRENTLY THERE RIGHT NOW.
UM, I MEAN, YOU LOOK AT THE, YOU KNOW, AS YOU'RE COMING PAST THE, THE OUTLETS AND MOVING IN THROUGH THAT COMMERCIAL SPACE, THROUGH THE, THROUGH, UH, THROUGH THE SHOPPING CENTER AND THEN IN A TOWN, UM, THERE'S A SMORGASBORD OF, OF, OF A LOT OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF BUILDING TYPES THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE IT WAS REALLY LOOKING AT THE, THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS AND TRYING TO GET INSPIRATION AS TO MAYBE WHAT NOT TO LOOK AT AND LOOK AT ELEMENTS AS TO WHAT WE COULD IMPROVE ON,
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IF THAT, IF THAT HELPS RESPOND.NO, AND I'M GONNA HAVE COMMENTARY ON THE DESIGN LANGUAGE, I THINK, FOR BOTH THE APPLICANT AND KIND OF THE CITY'S ROLE.
SO I'LL SAVE THAT FOR COMMENTARY.
UM, AND THEN SIMILARLY, YOU MIGHT BE THE BEST PERSON FOR THIS AS WELL, UM, YOUR ETHOS AROUND, I THINK GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE.
WE'VE MENTIONED, WE'VE MENTIONED SOLAR, YOU KNOW, INCREASINGLY WE'RE SEEING PROJECTS THAT INTEGRATE SOME KIND OF ONSITE WATER, RECYCLE WATER CAPTURE.
WHERE DOES THE, DOES THAT KIND OF THING USUALLY SHOW UP IN A GALLAGHER PROJECT? IS THERE KIND OF THIS FOCUS ON SUSTAINABILITY, GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE? IS IT GENERALLY JUST NOT THE HIGHEST PRIORITY TO DELIVER THE BEST PRODUCT TO YOUR RESIDENTS? UM, IF YOU CAN JUST SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT.
I MEAN, WE LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING THE, UH, GREATEST AMENITIES POSSIBLE AND REALLY KIND OF THE, UM, THE AMENITIES, UH, AND THE PROGRAMMING, THE SERVICES AND THE SETTING.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT DRIVES THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE COMMUNITIES.
UH, WE'LL CERTAINLY LOOK AT THE, UH, YOU KNOW, TITLE 24 BUILDING CODE AND ENSURE THAT WE MEET THE CAL TIER, YOU KNOW, ONE CHECKLIST, UM, AT, YOU KNOW, AS A, AS A FOUNDATION.
UM, BUT AS WE LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, UM, ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS OR, YOU KNOW, IMPOSITIONS OF GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND, IT JUST MAKES IT REALLY CHALLENGING TO DEVELOP THE TYPE OF PRODUCT THAT WE WANNA DEVELOP.
BUT I, I, I HEAR THE COMMISSION AND I'M CERTAINLY TAKING THAT, UH, INPUT, UM, IN SOME CASES STRONG INPUT BACK.
YEAH, I THINK I'VE FORCED, UH, SOME COMMENTARY INTO A QUESTION THERE, BUT THANK YOU FOR, FOR PICKING THAT UP WITH THE COMMITTEE
UH, AND THEN LIKEWISE, BECAUSE WE ARE AT THE BROAD CONCEPTUAL LEVEL, WE SAW THE FIRST STORY GROUND FLOOR.
I'M NOT GONNA HOLD YOU GUYS TO ANY OF THIS BECAUSE WE ARE SO EARLY.
BUT AGAIN, VERY BROADLY, WHAT KIND OF RESIDENT EXPERIENCES ARE YOU TRYING TO CREATE? I THOUGHT I SAW, OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE THE COMMUNAL SPACES.
YOU KNOW, I'M READING ABOUT SOME DEVELOPMENTS THAT WANT TO SET THINGS UP TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE MOBILITY REQUIRED OF RESIDENTS TO KIND OF PUSH, BECAUSE THERE'S AN ASSOCIATION WITH INCREASED MOBILITY IN THESE FACILITIES AND LIFESPAN, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE RESIDENT EXPERIENCES, THE PLACES FOR INTEGRATION AND MEETING BETWEEN RESIDENTS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO CULTIVATE ON THAT FIRST FLOOR PLAN THAT WE SAW? YEAH, YEAH.
MAYBE IF THERE'S ANY, LIKE SAM, SAM, SAM, SAM, SAM CAN ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THAT.
AND, AND JUST A COUPLE ELEMENTS TO HIGHLIGHT OR OVERARCHING THEMES.
DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AN EXHAUSTIVE.
SO IT, YOU KNOW, MY OPINION IS, IT'S LIKE, LOOK, OUR BIGGEST COMPETITOR IS PEOPLE'S OWN HOMES.
SO WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS PROVIDE TO OUR RESIDENTS, UM, THE SOCIALIZATION IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
AND, UM, SOCIALIZATION AND FELLOWSHIP AND HEALTH AND WELLNESS THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL OF SENIOR LIVING PROVIDERS HAVE SOME TYPE OF PROGRAM WITH DIFFERENT ACRONYMS AND NAMES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND OUR ACTIVITY PROGRAM, UH, WILL, FOR THIS COMMUNITY WILL COMBINE THOSE ELEMENTS.
AND IT'S REALLY LIKE A, A, A, IT'S, IT'S LIKE A, UM, LIKE A HOLISTIC WELLNESS.
WHETHER SOMEBODY IS MOBILE OR NOT, IT'S REALLY NOT, UM, A FOCUS.
OURS, WE WOULD HOPE THAT SOMEBODY WHO MAY NOT BE AS MOBILE IN THEIR OWN HOME MIGHT BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE MORE IN MANY OF THESE WONDERFUL THINGS BECAUSE THE BUILDING IS, IS DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY FOR SENIORS.
SO THAT WOULD BE IN A NUTSHELL, UH, YOU KNOW, SPEAKS TO OUR ACTIVITY PROGRAMMING.
AND THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING IS JUST FOR THAT AS FAR AS WHERE THE MOVIE THEATER IS, WHERE THE, UH, UH, FITNESS CENTER IS, WHERE THE GARDENS ARE.
THERE'S ACCORDION DOORS THAT OPEN UP TO THE GARDENS AND THAT SORT OF THING.
SO IT'S, I I'VE ALWAYS FELT LIKE OUR BIGGEST COMPETITORS, NOT OTHER RETIREMENT COMMUNITIES, 'CAUSE OURS ARE UNSURPASSED, IT'S THEIR OWN HOMES, AND THEY'RE, THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THAT IN THEIR OWN HOMES NOW.
AND I KNOW I ASKED A BIG QUESTION THERE, SO THANK YOU.
AND I THINK THAT ACCORDION DOOR IMAGE INTO A GARDEN TALK SPEAKS TO KIND OF HOW WE CONNECT THROUGH THE SITE.
SO THOSE ARE SOME BROAD QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
I'M ACTUALLY GONNA CIRCLE BACK TO STAFF.
I MEANT TO ASK THESE FIRST AS A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT.
UH, WE REFERENCED, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PREPONDERANCE OF PUDS IN THIS AREA.
AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO JUST THROW IN THE TOWEL ON OUR LAND USE DESIGNATIONS AS NOT REALLY FITTING FOR SOME REASON ON THIS CORRIDOR, BUT CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHY NOT M MU U ONE A WITH THE VARIANCE FOR HEIGHT? THIS IS ONE OF THE ALTERNATIVES THAT WAS EXPRESSED IN THE STAFF REPORT, UH, CUP FOR THE LAND USE, AND THEN, UH, VARIANCE FOR HEIGHT.
AND MAYBE DI COULD SPEAK TO IF THERE WOULD NEED TO BE FINDINGS, UM, YOU KNOW, REGARDING SITE CONSTRAINT OR SOMETHING THAT WE FELT WE COULDN'T MAKE OR, UM, YEAH, I GUESS JUST WHY PUD INSTEAD OF THE MORE FORMAL, HEY, LET'S USE OUR MU ONE A, DO THE VARIANCE FOR HEIGHT AND DO THE CUP,
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UH, RATHER THAN GOING STRAIGHT TO THE P UUD.CAN YOU JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT AND IF THERE'S ANY DOWNSIDE FROM HAVING A PUD HERE WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THE DESIGN IN THIS AREA? SURE.
I, I THINK IN, IN RESPONSE TO YOUR FIRST QUESTION ABOUT WHY NOT A VARIANCE THERE, WE WOULDN'T FIND ANY PHYSICAL CONSTRAINTS OF THE, OF THE SITE THAT WOULD, UH, UM, ALLOW US TO, UM, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF A VARIANCE TO ALLOW FOR INCREASED HEIGHT.
SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S TYPICALLY THE CHALLENGE WITH A VARIANCE IS THEY'RE PRETTY, PRETTY STRICTLY CONSTRAINED TO SOME SORT OF PHYSICAL CONSTRAINT THAT THE SITE PRESENTS THAT DOESN'T ALLOW FOR COMPLIANCE AND, UM, UH, WITH THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, UH, WITHIN THAT ZONING DISTRICT.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, TO, TO GO WITH A MIXED USE LAND USE DESIGNATION AND THEN TO ACCEPT THE IMPLEMENTING ZONING DISTRICT, UM, WOULD BE CHALLENGING WITH REGARD TO HEIGHT, ALTHOUGH WE WOULD BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE THE, THE FAR, UH, THAT THE PROJECT SEEKS, UM, THROUGH THE MIXED USE, UH, DESIGNATION.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT THE, THE, TO LOOK AT FINDING, UH, PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT AS THE APPROPRIATE REGULATORY TOOL FOR THIS PROJECT.
UM, I DON'T, I DON'T NECESSARILY, I MEAN, DOES THAT STEP OUT IN FRONT OF WHERE THE GENERAL PLAN MIGHT BE A YEAR FROM NOW OR TWO YEARS FROM NOW? YES.
DO, DO WE HAVE A PROJECT THAT IS, IS, UM, EXPRESSING A DESIRE TO PROPOSE DEVELOPMENT NOW ON A, A VACANT UNDERUTILIZED SITE? YES.
SO I THINK THAT, UH, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE WANTED TO WAIT UNTIL THE LAND USE ALTERNATIVES, UH, FRAMEWORK PRESENTATION WAS PROVIDED TO BOTH COMMISSION AND COUNCIL WAS TO SORT OF SHOW HOW, AT LEAST IN TERMS OF, OF LAND USE THAT THIS PROJECT WOULD LINK UP WITH, WHERE WE ANTICIPATE THAT THE GENERAL PLAN WILL BE RECOMMENDING AS WELL AS TOO TO, UH, LOOK AT THAT, THAT, UM, ALLOWING RESIDENTIAL USES ON THE GROUND FLOOR FOR OUR CES.
AND, AND I THINK, IF YOU RECALL, I SAW A COUPLE OF HEAD NODS, UH, WHEN LARISSA PRESENTED THAT AS ONE OF THE PROGRAMMATIC COMPONENTS OF THE HOUSING ELEMENT, BECAUSE WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT AND, UM, AND SORT OF HOW TO, UM, HOW TO USE THAT TO INCENTIVIZE, UH, DEVELOPMENT OF, OF, UM, THE RCFE, UM, LAND USES THAT WE NEED TO SUPPORT OUR AGING POPULATION.
SO I DON'T, I DON'T, I MEAN, I, I THINK THAT THE PUD GIVES US THE TOOL NOW TO BE ABLE TO BRING THIS PROJECT FORWARD, UM, IN A MANNER THAT'S, YOU KNOW, COMBINED WITH, WITH SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW IN A MANNER THAT'S THOUGHTFUL, BUT ALSO POINTS TO, YOU KNOW, THE NEED FOR, UM, FOR THIS PARTICULAR TYPE OF HOUSING AND SUPPORT IN OUR COMMUNITY AS WELL AS, UH, FOR, FOR, UH, CONSIDERING DENSITY AND, WELL, I GUESS MORE SO INTENSITY OF USE THAT, UM, WE ARE ALSO LOOKING AT FOR INFILL DEVELOPMENT, ESPECIALLY IN THESE AREAS CLOSER INTO DOWNTOWN.
THANK, THANK YOU FOR THAT CONTEXT.
AND YEAH, JUST, YOU KNOW, I HAD SOMEONE MENTION TO ME SOMETIMES THE PUD MEANS SOMETHING'S WRONG, BUT I THINK IN THIS CASE IT'S THE BEST, POTENTIALLY THE BEST ALTERNATIVE FOR THE SITE GIVEN THE USE THAT'S PROPOSED.
AND I WILL HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS ON, ON HE AND FAR REALLY BROADLY, BUT FOR STAFF, UM, IN TERMS OF REQUIRED HEARINGS FOR THIS PROJECT, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR THIS PROJECT TO COME BEFORE SENIOR COMMITTEE AND OR TREE COMMITTEE? UM, JUST BECAUSE THE UNIQUE KIND OF SIGNIFICANCE, I THINK, OF THE SITE AND THE AMOUNT OF MATERIAL THERE WOULD BE TO COVER FOR THOSE COMMITTEES? SURE, ABSOLUTELY.
UH, AGAIN, THAT'S MAYBE SHOEHORNING A RECOMMENDATION OR DESIRE TO A QUESTION, BUT I JUST THOUGHT I'D ASK, I THINK COMMISSIONER, IF I MIGHT COMMENT ON THAT.
UM, I THINK CERTAINLY TO BRING IT BEFORE SENIOR ADVISORY COMMITTEE WOULD BE ADVISABLE.
UM, AND, AND WE WOULD WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT OPPORTUNITY GIVEN, GIVEN THE, THE, THE NATURE OF THE SITE WITH RELATIVELY LIMITED PUBLIC FRONTAGES AND THE FACT THAT WE HAVE TWO MEMBERS OF THE TREE ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON THE COMMISSION WITH US THIS EVENING.
UM, I, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE COMMISSION COULD MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, TO THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT FOR, UH, TREE PLANTINGS AND SO FORTH.
AND PERHAPS THEN WE WOULDN'T NEED TO BRING IT TRUE TO THE TREE ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
THE SENIOR ADVISORY WAS MY PREFERRED KIND OF, I THINK THAT'S DEFINITELY GOOD INPUT, UH, THROUGH TREE AND THERE FOR GOOD MEASURE.
BUT I, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
UM, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, AGAIN, AND THIS IS GETTING BACK TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WE'RE BEING ASKED TO GIVE FEEDBACK ON, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE SITE HAS THIS BEAUTIFUL BACK AMENITY AREA.
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UNFAMILIAR WITH, UH, C CRCS OR CCCS, UM, I IMAGINE THAT AS A PRIVATE SPACE, NOT AS A PUBLIC PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE SPACE.WHAT'S THE VISION FOR CONNECTIVITY, UM, THROUGH THE SITE POTENTIALLY IS NONE, IS THAT ALL PRIVATE? YEAH, SO, UM, WE DO HAVE, AGAIN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE, YOU KNOW, WALKING PATHS THAT WOULD ALLOW RESIDENTS TO ACCESS PETALUMA, YOU KNOW, BOULEVARD NORTH.
UH, WE DO HAVE A WALKING PATH ON THE SOUTH SIDE ALONG SYCAMORE LANE.
THERE'S A, UH, PET PARK, UH, THAT IS PROPOSED AND THAT PET PARK WOULD BE, UH, YOU KNOW, FACING OUT TOWARDS THE PUBLIC, NOT NECESSARILY INSIDE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, OF, OF, OF THE GREATER COMMUNITY.
UH, I THINK YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT CONNECTIVITY WITH THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE OUTSIDE, NOT JUST WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF.
AND IS THAT PRIMARILY THOSE STREET FRONTAGES THAT WE'RE ENVISIONING, IS THE THAT'S CORRECT.
ALONG ALONG SYCAMORE LANE, YOU KNOW, THE PET PARK, UH, AMENITY, UH, THERE ON THAT SIDE, UM, UH, OF THE PARCEL AND THEN THE FRONTAGE ON PETALUMA BOULEVARD, UH, THIS, THIS SITE.
AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF COMING BACK TO, TO THE QUESTION THAT COUNCILWOMAN CATER THOMPSON ASKED AROUND, YOU KNOW, THE ENTRANCE, UH, THE SITE SLOPES UPWARD, UH, AS YOU KIND OF MOVE TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY, IT'S NOT ENTIRELY A FLAT SITE.
YOU DO HAVE, YOU KNOW, SLIGHT ELEVATION MOVING TOWARDS THE BACKSIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS ONE OF THE CHALLENGES, I THINK, IN PROVIDING ACCESS ALONG SYCAMORE LANE.
AND BECAUSE THE SITE MAP IS UP, UH, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T, I WAS AFRAID TO ASK THIS 'CAUSE I'M WORRIED I'M MISSING SOMETHING, BUT WHERE WOULD THE UNDERGROUND PARKING BE? I, I COULDN'T QUITE TELL FROM THIS MAP.
UH, IF YOU CAN USE THE MOUSE AND OKAY.
YEAH, YOU CAN SEE THE DRIVEWAY THERE ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
IN FACT, IT WOULD BE TUCKED UNDER THE BUILDING.
AND THEN WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IN THIS IDEA OF CONNECTIVITY WITH THE OUTSIDE COMMUNITY, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THE PETALUMA BOUNTY EXAMPLE.
DID YOU GUYS HAVE PROGRAMMING OR PLANS TO KIND OF CREATE THOSE INTERGENERATIONAL EXPERIENCES? SOMETIMES WE SEE IT WITH SENIOR FACILITIES, UH, I MEAN, WE JUST REVIEWED ONE ON A DIFFERENT PART OF TOWN, BUT THEY'RE TRYING TO HAVE LIKE, UH, EATING AREAS THAT MIGHT HAVE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY BE ABLE TO COME VISIT, UM, OR, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC PLANNED EVENTS WHERE YOU HAVE YOUNGER MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY MIXING WITH MEMBERS OF OUR SENIOR COMMUNITY.
ARE THINGS LIKE THAT PLANNED TO, TO KIND OF CREATE THOSE CROSS COMMUNITY EXPERIENCES? YOU KNOW, GIVEN THAT THE BACK AREA IS PRIVATE, DO WE HAVE SOME PROGRAMMING INTERIOR OR MAYBE A FACING PETALUMA BOULEVARD, ANYTHING PLANNED LIKE THAT OF THOSE KIND OF, YEAH, YEAH.
AGAIN, I, YOU KNOW, I WANNA KIND OF GO BACK TO THE, UM, YOU KNOW, RESIDENT LED COMMITTEES, UH, THAT REALLY KIND OF CREATE THE PROGRAMMING BOTH WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE COMMUNITY AND IN CONNECTING, YOU KNOW, THE EXTERNAL COMMUNITY.
UM, I WOULD ENVISION JUST BASED ON THE LOCATION AND THE SIDING OF THIS PARTICULAR FACILITY, THAT THERE WOULD BE OPPORTUNITIES FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR RESIDENTS TO LEAD WHAT THAT, UH, WHAT THAT EXCHANGE LOOKS LIKE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T SIT HERE AND TELL YOU TODAY THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE PROGRAMMING WILL LOOK LIKE, BECAUSE OFTENTIMES, YOU KNOW, IT'S RESIDENT LED, UH, BASED ON THEIR PREFERENCES, BASED ON, YOU KNOW, THAT INTERGENERATIONAL CONNECTEDNESS.
UM, IN OTHER SITES THAT I'VE SEEN, UH, I'LL GIVE RENA AS AN EXAMPLE.
UM, I WAS FAMILIAR WITH, UH, RESIDENTS BEING PART OF THE SCHOOLS OF HOPE PROGRAM WHERE THEY WOULD GO INTO LOCAL ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, PREDOMINANTLY ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF SANTA ROSA, SOUTHWEST SANTA ROSA ROSEN AREA, WHERE THEY WOULD GO AND TUTOR AROUND LITERACY PROGRAMS. AND THAT'S ALL RESIDENT LED.
IT'S, IT'S CREATED, IT'S ORGANIC WITHIN THAT COMMUNITY, BUT I GOTTA BELIEVE THE SAME WOULD HAPPEN HERE IN THIS COMMUNITY IN PETALUMA.
SPEAKING TO THE ETHOS AND FUNCTIONALLY HOW THOSE EXPERIENCES GET MADE, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I TALKED ABOUT CONNECTIVITY, AND YOU JUST KIND OF IDENTIFIED WHAT I THOUGHT THAT THE STREET FRONTAGES OF THE PRIMARY PLACE FOR THE PUBLIC INTERFACES WITH THE COMMUNITY HERE.
I'M WONDERING, IS YOUR CURRENT SETBACK FROM THE BOULEVARD DUE TO SITE, UH, CONSTRAINTS? BUDGET CONSTRAINTS? I MEAN, JUST THIS IS THE DESIGN, IT NECESSITATED THIS LEVEL OF SETBACK.
HAS A GREATER SETBACK BEEN EXPLORED AT ALL? YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THAT WHEN YOU LOOK, WHEN, WHEN, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE SITE, UM, WE, WE, WE REALLY TOOK THE, UM, UH, THE RESIDENCES ON THE WEST SIDE, UH, YOU KNOW, IN, IN CONTEXT AND REALLY PUSHED THE BUILDING CONSTRUCT OUT AND ALLOWED THE AMENITIES TO BE MORE ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE, OF, OF THE PARCEL.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UH, BELIEVE THOSE ARE, UM, DETACHED OR ATTACHED SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS JUST, UH, TO THE WEST OF PROPERTY.
UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF CONTEXT, IT'S ABOUT 50 YARDS FROM THE NEAREST BUILDING ON THE SOUTH, UH, TO THE, UH, TO THE NEAREST RESIDENCE, UH, THERE TO THE WEST.
UM, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING AROUND THE SETBACK SPECIFICALLY.
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FOR, FOR, I WAS TALKING ABOUT SETBACKS FROM PETALUMA BOULEVARD, JUST MORE SPACE, UM, POTENTIALLY FOR THINGS LIKE STREET TREES, KIND OF A BIGGER PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.AND I'M THINKING, YOU KNOW, IN THIS INTERFACE, AND GIVEN THAT THERE'S A LOT OF BALCONIES ON THAT FRONT AREA, YOU KNOW, BALCONIES ONTO A MAJOR BOULEVARD MAYBE WITHOUT LIKE BIG TREES OR SOME OTHER SOFTENING OF THAT SPACE, I'M WONDERING IF THAT WAS JUST EVER EXPLORED AS PART OF THE DESIGN PROCESS, OR AGAIN, IF THERE'S SOME REALITY OF THE SITE THAT KIND OF CONSTRICTS US TO THE CURRENT, UH, PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AND SETBACK ALONG PETALUMA BOULEVARD.
YEAH, YEAH, I MEAN, IT WAS REALLY THE, THE, THE CONTEXT AROUND THE AMENITIES THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO PROVIDE, UH, AND EFFECTIVELY PUSHING THE BUILDING INTO, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST CLOSER INTO PETALUMA BOULEVARD.
UM, AND THEN I, I ASKED FOR THIS PICTURE TO BE BROUGHT UP IN PARTICULAR BECAUSE I'M NOTICING, UH, THIS IS JUST, I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.
THE ROOF SLOPES ARE VERY EVIDENT ON THIS IMAGE, THE IMAGES I WAS LOOKING AT OF KIND OF THE FRONT PART OF THE BUILDING, AND SOME OF THE RENDERINGS HERE LOOK VERY MUCH LIKE FLAT ROOFS, BUT ON THIS SITE MAP, THERE'S A LOT OF, WITH SHADOWS KIND OF HIGHLIGHTING A LOT OF ANGULARITY AND SLOPED ROOFS.
SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF THIS IS STILL SOMETHING IN FLUX OR, OR KIND OF WHAT I, WHAT I'M SEEING THERE.
WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE,
SO IS THIS AN WE, WE ARE GONNA GIVE GUIDANCE ON THINGS LIKE THIS? YOU'RE LEAVING IT OPEN.
AND THEN, UM, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT YOU, YOU KNOW, WE, I MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT HEIGHT.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FAR AS PART OF THE ZONING.
UM, THIS REPRESENTS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT MASS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, IT'S BEING BROKEN UP BY THE CHANGE IN KIND OF VERTICAL AND HORIZONTAL, UM, FACES.
THERE'S OBVIOUSLY THE U SHAPE TO IT, WE'RE LOOKING AT STREET TREES, SO I SEE SOME OF IT, BUT CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE DECISION TO GO, UH, WITH THE FOUR STORIES AND WHAT STRATEGIES YOU'VE EMPLOYED? MAYBE IT'S WHAT I JUST LAID OUT, BUT STRATEGIES YOU'VE EMPLOYED TO MITIGATE THE MASS AND BULK AND TRY TO MAKE THIS BLEND A LITTLE BIT MORE WITH THE AREA.
AND AS A FOLLOW UP, HAVE YOU EXPLORED THINGS LIKE STEP BACKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT ON THE UPPER FLOORS? YEAH, I MEAN, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.
AND, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS REALLY THE, THE, THE ATTEMPT AROUND THE ENTRY CORRIDOR THERE.
UM, AGAIN, THIS, THE, THE SITE, UH, SLOPES, SO THE, THE PRESENTATION OF THE FOUR STORIES, AND I THINK I HEARD 54 FEET EARLIER, AND IT'S ACTUALLY 51 FEET, UH, FOUR INCHES.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S CLEAR.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE BELIEVE THAT IT'S AN APPROPRIATE, UH, UH, UH, APPROPRIATE HEIGHT FOR THIS PARTICULAR CORRIDOR.
AND AGAIN, BASED ON SURROUNDINGS, AND I, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE, THE, UM, SPRINKLING OF P-U-P-U-D DEVELOPMENTS ALONG THIS PARTICULAR CORRIDOR.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE FOUND THAT WHAT WAS PRESENTED NOT ONLY IS APPROPRIATE, UH, AROUND THE DENSITY, BUT UH, AGAIN, THE MASSING, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE FEEL THAT WHAT IS PRESENTED, UM, ALLOWED SOME, UM, YOU KNOW, OPPORTUNITIES TO, TO BE SEEN AS SOMETHING BENEFICIAL FOR THE SITE.
WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ANSWERING QUESTIONS TO STAFF AND THE APPLICANT AND I'LL SAVE EVERYTHING ELSE FOR COMMENTARY.
DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO EXTEND TIME OR ARE WE STILL WITHIN OUR, UH, WE CAN DO THAT AT 10 30? IT'S 10 30.
UM, AND, UM, GOING LAST, MANY OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ASKED, SO THANKFULLY, I THINK I ONLY HAVE ONE REMAINING.
UM, AND IT'S TO STAFF, THE LOGAN PLACE ACROSS STREET.
UM, WHAT IS THE, THE FAR THERE AND WHAT IS THE HEIGHT? WE'D HAVE TO, UH, LOOK INTO THE FAR.
UM, I BEL AND THE HEIGHT, THE BUILDING HEIGHT, I KNOW IT IS THREE STORIES, UM, WITH THE PARKING MM-HMM.
UM, I WOULD HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK THE, THE APPROVALS TO, UH, DETERMINE THE EXACT HEIGHT.
UH, BUT IT'S, I DON'T THINK IT'S AT THE SAME, UH, THE 51 FEET AS PROPOSED FOR THIS PROJECT.
IT'S SLIGHTLY LOWER THAN THAT.
I BELIEVE THAT, UH, I MEAN, I, I COULD BE WRONG.
I'M LOOKING AT PETALUMA GRANICUS WEBSITE AND IT'S, UM, IF YOU HAVE AN ADDITIONAL QUESTION, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL GET THAT HIGH FOR YOU 'CAUSE IT'S, I DON'T, I CAN MAKE ONE UP.
DOES ANYONE HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION BEFORE WE MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT CHAIR? I CAN RESPOND TO A PORTION OF, UH, COMMISSIONER WHITMAN'S QUESTION.
UH, IT'S, UM, THE LAND USE DESIGNATION IS MIXED
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USE OF THE FAR.UM, BUT I THINK AS LARISSA POINTED OUT, WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THREE STORIES OF RESIDENTIAL USE WITH THAT PARK, THAT GROUND FLOOR PARKING, UM, THAT'S SORT OF TUCKED IN, I THINK, A BIT INTO THE SLOPE OF THE SITE.
SO WHAT, WHAT WOULD THAT BE? 30, 40, MAYBE 45 FEET, OR, I THINK THE PODIUM BUILDING, THE MAX HEIGHT IS 45 FEET.
AND THEN THE BUILDINGS IN THE REAR ARE, UH, IT SAYS 38 35 FEET.
UM, SO THAT, THAT MAIN BUILDING TOWARDS PETALUMA BOULEVARD IS 45 MAX.
AND AS MS AS MR. CARILLO POINTED OUT, THERE IS THIS NATURAL SLOPE THERE TO THE TOPOGRAPHY.
SO THAT'D BE A LITTLE BIT BELOW THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET ANYWAY, JUST THINKING IT BACK.
AND WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE INTO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE ITEM.
THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.
PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON.
IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE SO ALREADY, PLEASE FILL OUT THIS YELLOW SPEAKER CARD AND BRING IT TO OUR CLERK.
AND CURRENTLY OUR ONLY PUBLIC COMMENT IS VERONICA OLSON.
UM, I SENT AN EMAIL WITH SOME COMMENTS, UM, AND MY MAIN, MY MAIN ISSUE WITH THE SITE IS IT'S QUITE LARGE AND THE BUILDING THAT IS BEING PROPOSED IS QUITE LARGE.
AND ALSO, UM, THE PARKING LOT IN THE BACK JUST SEEMS LIKE THAT COULD BE GARDEN.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE ARE ENOUGH PARKING PLACES, UM, TO BE UNDERGROUND.
UM, AND THEN THE ACTUAL BUILDING ITSELF ALONG THE BOULEVARD, IF IT'S GOING TO HAVE THAT SORT OF HEIGHT, I THINK, UM, WHAT COMMISSIONER KUSON SAID ABOUT HAVING STREET TREES SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY BUFFER THAT, THAT FRONT PART OF THE BUILDING.
BUT I THINK IN TERMS OF THE PROGRAMMING OF THE ACTUAL BUILDING ITSELF, UM, IT FEELS AS THOUGH IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT ORGANIC, I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.
IT JUST FEELS VERY DISNEYLAND ISH,
I JUST FEEL LIKE WE, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING.
AND IF THIS SITE IS GOING TO ACTUALLY BE EXEMPLARY OF WHERE WE WANNA GO, UM, I THINK WE NEED TO BE QUITE STRICT.
AND I DON'T FEEL THAT THIS CURRENT DESIGN IS REALLY OUR, UM, DOESN'T HAVE OUR VALUES BAKED IN THERE.
IT'S, IT'S A PRETTY DESIGN AND IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S PROBABLY GREAT FOR OTHER TOWNS, BUT I, I DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY'VE ACTUALLY REALLY TO SOME OF OUR, OUR REQUESTS IN OUR VISIONING, UM, FOR OUR GENERAL PLAN.
AND WE HAVE THINGS AND WE HAVE OUR CLIMATE, UM, BLUEPRINT WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BEING A SPONGE CITY.
WE NEED TO ACTUALLY, WE NEED TO BE A SPONGE CITY.
WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO CATCH WATER, WE NEED TO HAVE NATIVE PLANTINGS, UM, THAT AREA WHERE THERE'S A PARKING SPACE, UM, 30 PARKING PLACES.
WHAT ABOUT A, SOME SORT OF COMMUNITY CENTER OR SOMETHING IN THE BACK WHERE PEOPLE CAN DO ART AND THERE CAN BE LIGHT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALL.
HAVING LIGHT AND AIR IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE'S HEALTH.
MAYBE THERE COULD BE A YOGA STUDIO IN THE BACK WITH, UM, I, I, I ATTACHED SOME PICTURES WITH SOME EXAMPLES OF HOW TO USE LIGHT.
WE HAVE BEAUTIFUL LIGHT IN PETALUMA.
IT FEELS VERY DENSE AND HEAVY.
AND, UM, I KNOW THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE DRAWINGS YET, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE OTHER EXAMPLES, UM, IT JUST DOESN'T FEEL LIKE OUR, OUR TOWN.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, UM, BEFORE I CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT, DID WE HAVE COMMENTS ONLINE? WE RECEIVED, I THINK IT WAS FIVE OR SIX PUBLIC COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING, ALL OF WHICH HAVE BEEN POSTED ONLINE AND ARE AVAILABLE IN THE BACK FOR VIEWING.
WE ARE NOW GOING TO COME BACK FOR COMMISSIONER COMMENTS.
I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND THE COMMISSION THAT WE'RE NOT TAKING A VOTE TONIGHT.
THIS IS A PRELIMINARY MEETING.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK STAFF IF YOU CAN PUT UP THE SLIDES FOR FOLKS JUST AS A REMINDER OF SOME OF THE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT YOU'VE ASKED US TO ADDRESS.
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AND KEEP IN MIND NOW THAT WE'RE KIND OF, I THINK THIS WILL BE OUR SECOND TIME KIND OF APPLYING THIS METHOD, GO FOR BROKE IN TERMS OF THE THINGS YOU WANNA SHARE WITH STAFF, WITH THE APPLICANT.OBVIOUSLY THERE'LL BE NEGOTIATION TO COME ON, WHAT THINGS ARE VIABLE AND WHAT THINGS ARE NOT, BUT THIS IS THE TIME TO PROVIDE THAT FEEDBACK.
WITH THAT IN MIND, SINCE WE STARTED ON THIS END, I'LL GO STRAIGHT TO RICK FOR COMMENTS.
UM, SO, UH, JUST WANT HIT OFF YOU PRINCIPLES THAT, THAT, UM, I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UM, SEVERAL TIMES THIS COMMISSION AND, AND, UM, THAT RESONATED WITH ME AND, AND, UH, COME UP IN THIS PLAN HERE.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, I, I THINK THE, THE CITY IS, IS FOREMOST AND, AND WELL SERVED BY EXPANSION OF SENIOR HOUSING.
UM, UH, I, SO I'M, I'M, YOU KNOW, GLAD THAT THE APPLICANT HAS BROUGHT THIS, UM, UH, UH, PLAN TO US AND, AND, UH, GLAD TO SEE, UH, IF WE CAN, UH, GUIDE IT THROUGH SOME WAY JUST TO, UH, TO GET AN EXPANSION OF MORE SENIOR HOUSING IN IN THE CITY.
UM, I THINK THAT THAT PARTICULAR AREA, I KNOW IT'S BEEN CHOPPED UP BY A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT PUDS OVER THE YEARS, BUT I, I THINK IT, IT DOES, UM, CALL FOR GREATER DENSITY AND ALLOW FOR, UH, A PROJECT WITH, WITH GREATER DENSITY, UM, I THINK BE RIGHT BEING ON THE BOULEVARD.
UM, AND THEREFORE ALLOWING FOR, YOU KNOW, SHUTTLE VANS, FAMILY VISITS, YOU KNOW, UM, SUPPORT PERSONNEL COMING IN.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, UH, HAVING THE, THE LUCKY'S SHOPPING CENTER IN CLOSE PROXIMITY AS WELL, I THINK, UM, REALLY LENDS, UM, UH, THAT SITE FOR SOMETHING THAT CAN UTILIZE ALL OF THAT, THAT, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S ALREADY IN PRE IN PLACE RATHER THAN HAVE IT, UH, BE CREATED SOMEWHERE ELSE.
UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE, ALSO THAT, UH, COMMERCIAL THAT'S CLOSE BY, UM, I THINK, UM, I, I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE GROUND FLOOR, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, BEING RESIDENTIAL AND NOT BEING, UH, SOME OTHER COMMERCIAL APPLICATION, I KNOW THAT'S A, A TOPIC THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED, UH, DISCUSSED A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT TIMES WITH DIFFERENT, UM, UH, PROJECTS.
I THINK THIS ONE LENDS ITSELF TO USING THAT GROUND FLOOR FOR, UM, FOR HOUSING AND, AND FOR RESIDENTIAL USES.
UM, LAST POINT WITH REGARD TO THE AESTHETICS.
UM, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT AT LEAST WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED SO FAR, UM, YOU KNOW, QUOTE UNQUOTE DRAWS FROM, FROM THE SURROUNDING ARCHITECTURE AND, AND THINGS THAT AT LEAST UP AND DOWN THE BOULEVARD, I THINK OBVIOUSLY GOING IN THAT DIRECTION, THE BOULEVARD GOING FURTHER WEST THERE, UM, THERE IS NOT A REAL DEFINED IDENTITY TO, TO THAT ARCHITECTURE.
UM, SO IF WE'RE LOOKING AT USING THIS AS, UM, AS A STARTING POINT FOR THAT DEFINITION, I TEND TO ENCOURAGE MORE, UM, MORE DIVERSITY OF ARCHITECTURAL TYPES RATHER THAN UNIFORMITY WITH, WITH OTHER THINGS.
UM, I, I KIND OF TIP A LITTLE BIT TOWARDS ROGER'S, UM, COMMENT, YET MAYBE NOT AS, AS DRASTIC THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF, A LOT OF BAD EXAMPLES, UM, AND A LOT OF BAD EXAMPLES UP AND DOWN THE BOULEVARD.
SO, UH, I, I'D ENCOURAGE MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE DIVERSITY AND A LITTLE BIT MORE STEPPING OUT, UM, TO SOMETHING THAT'S, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE UNIQUE, UM, IN THE PRESENTATION THAT WAS, UH, ATTACHMENT, UH, ATTACHMENT, I GUESS IT'S, YEAH, ATTACHMENT ONE, THAT'S THE APPLICANT'S, UM, UH, NARRATIVE.
IT SHOWED THREE DIFFERENT KINDS THERE.
I THINK, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME FIT FOR, FOR THE SPACE, BUT I THINK ALL THOSE ARE BETTER THAN, THAN THE, THE RENDERING THAT'S THERE, UH, IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, UH, PROBABLY WITH, WITH, YOU KNOW, GREATEST, UH, APPEAL TO THE CRAFTSMAN STYLE, UH, THAN THE OTHERS THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A KIND OF A, A, A, YOU KNOW, A DESERT, A DRYER TERRAIN.
UM, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, TO SUM UP MY COMMENTS ON THAT, I, I, I THINK, UM, I, I WOULD ENCOURAGE GREATER DIVERSITY RATHER THAN, THAN CONFORMITY WITH, WITH WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE ON THE, ON THE BOULEVARD.
SO, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S IT FOR MY COMMENTS.
YEAH, AND I WANNA SAY THAT I TOO AGREE WITH KIND OF THE LAND USE CHOICE FOR THIS AREA.
I THINK THERE'S TWO THINGS I, I WANT TO, THAT I THINK THIS PROJECT HIGHLIGHTS FOR THE CITY.
ONE WE KNOW IS WE NEED TO REALLY UNDERSTAND THE DESIGN GOALS AND OUR CIVIC AND URBAN DESIGN GOALS FOR THIS CORRIDOR, BECAUSE I THINK THE FACT THAT WE'RE DOING A PUD SPEAKS TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE'RE NOT BEING RESPONSIVE TO THE MARKET OR MAYBE WE'RE NOT CLEAR ON OUR GOALS, UH, BUT THERE'S SOMETHING THERE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
OBVIOUSLY COMMERCIAL DIDN'T WORK.
UM, SO I KIND OF, WELL, I'LL GET INTO ANSWERING THE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, BUT I SUPPORT THAT CHANGE.
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I ALSO THINK THIS HIGHLIGHTS THE NEED FOR SOME KIND OF DESIGN GUIDELINES OR NOT RELYING ON EVERY APPLICANT TO HELP INFORM OR CREATE OUR DESIGN LANGUAGE.UH, AND I KNOW THERE'S A A LOT GOING ON.
TYPICALLY THIS KIND OF PLANNING IS PROJECT BY PROJECT.
IT DOES HAPPEN PIECEMEAL, BUT I THINK THIS PROJECT, WHICH IS SO BIG IN CENTRAL, CENTRAL AREA HIGHLIGHTS THAT IT WOULD BE GREAT TO INVEST TO, TO FRONT LOAD AND INVEST IN SOME OF THAT DESIGN GUIDELINE WORK BUILDING ON WHAT WE DID WITH OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS TO GIVE OUR LANGUAGE THE DESIGN STYLES THAT FIT PETALUMA, NOT ONLY TO MAKE IT KIND OF A BETTER OUTCOME THAT WE THINK FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THE PLANNING PROCESS, BUT ALSO FOR THE APPLICANT.
SO WHEN THEY COME FORWARD, THEY KNOW KIND OF WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT AND NOT JUST LOOKING AT OTHER PEOPLE'S, UM, DESIGNS.
SO I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO BRING.
SO I'LL JUST RATTLE OFF A COUPLE OF THESE AND THEN ANSWER QUESTIONS.
GOOD IDEA TO BRING TO THE SENIOR COMMITTEE, ESPECIALLY FOR IDEAS REGARDING PROGRAMMING, DESIGN AND ACCESSIBILITY.
UH, I THINK ONE HUGE THING FOR ME IS I WOULD ADVOCATE, YOU KNOW, AS MUCH AS IT'S FEASIBLE GIVEN THE DESIGN AND KIND OF THE ECONOMIC NECESSITIES OF MAKING THIS PROJECT WORK AS MUCH OF A SETBACK AS WE CAN GET, OR AT LEAST MORE OF A SETBACK FROM PETALUMA BOULEVARD, I THINK SOFTENING THAT EXPERIENCE NOT ONLY HELPS IT IN A DESIGN SENSE AND AN AESTHETIC SENSE, BUT ALSO FOR THE RESIDENTS.
BECAUSE I THINK THAT EXPERIENCE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE A BALCONY OUT IN THE PETALUMA BOULEVARD, I'D RATHER HAVE A NICE BIG CANOPY TREE IN FRONT OF ME WITH A LITTLE BIT OF A SETBACK AND MAYBE A PATH.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND YOU'RE RENDERING, I'M SEEING A PATH KIND OF ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
HAVING THAT EXPERIENCE A LITTLE BIT MORE IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING, I THINK WOULD BE, WOULD BE GREAT.
AND AGAIN, WOULD INVITE A LITTLE MORE CONNECTION WITH THE COMMUNITY AS A PLACE THAT'S KIND OF ENJOYABLE.
SO, UH, I THINK THAT'S ONE BIG DESIGN THING THAT I WANT TO ADVOCATE FOR.
UM, AND JUST TO BUILD OFF COMMISSIONER WESSMAN'S COMMENTARY.
YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY THE SAME THING.
I LIKED YOUR KIND OF DESIGNS, I THINK VEA THAT YOU BROUGHT UP.
IT'S A LITTLE MORE ASPIRATIONAL.
THERE'S MORE MATERIALITY, THERE'S A LITTLE MORE DIVERSITY IN TERMS OF ROOF HEIGHTS, DIFFERENT HEIGHTS AND SECTIONS OF DIFFERENT BUILDINGS.
JUST A LITTLE MORE VISUAL INTEREST.
I THINK I WOULD NOT LOVE THAT TO BE THE FINAL DESIGN AS MUCH AS THAT'S INFORMED BY LANGUAGE ON THIS BOULEVARD.
I THINK THERE'S AN APPETITE BOTH IN THE COMMUNITY AND ON THIS COMMISSION FOR MORE THAN THAT.
UM, AND AGAIN, THIS IS AN EXPECTATION WE'RE PUTTING ON BECAUSE WE DIDN'T, WE AREN'T SURE OF THE EXACT DESIGN LANGUAGE, BUT THERE IS AN APPETITE FOR IT AND THERE'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY HERE.
AND I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE SOME OF THAT BACKGROUND AND SEEING THE OTHER DESIGNS TO REALLY PUSH OUT AN IDEA THAT MIGHT BE, YEAH, I DON'T WANNA SAY TRANSFORMATIVE, BUT MIGHT SET KIND OF A NEW TENOR IN THE AREA.
UM, I THINK I'LL ECHO CONCERNS ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY AND ENVIRONMENT.
THAT'S A HUGE PART OF OUR CITY.
SOME OF THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED FROM BUILDING CODE AND PLANNING REGULATION, BUT PERMEABLE PAVERS, SOLAR, UH, BIOSWALES AND THINKING ABOUT WATER MANAGEMENT ON THE SITE, ALL OF THOSE THINGS WILL PROBABLY COME UP THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
SO IT'S GOOD TO START CONSIDERING THOSE NOW.
UM, I THINK ON THE INTERIOR, I LIKED SOME OF THE DESIGN GOING ON THERE.
SO I'LL TRANSITION JUST TO STAFF'S COMMENTS 'CAUSE I THINK I'M, I'M ROLLING RIGHT INTO THAT ANYWAY.
UM, SO THE GENERAL PLANNED AMENDMENT, I TALKED ABOUT THAT.
I THINK NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL TO MIXED USE IS PRUDENT.
AGAIN, I THINK THE MARKET ISN'T SUPPORTING COMMERCIAL ON THAT SITE AS CONSTRUCTED.
I THINK MIXED USE IS THE DIRECTION WE'RE ALREADY GOING.
THE ZONING AMENDMENT FROM C ONE TO PUD, YOU KNOW, IN SEEING THE REASONING AND WALKING THROUGH THAT, I SEE THE NEED FOR IT AGAIN, HIGHLIGHTS THE NEEDS FOR UNDERSTANDING OUR URBAN DESIGN GOALS ON THIS CORRIDOR.
IS IT APPROPRIATE TO LOCATE AN RCFE UH, SUPPORT FUNCTIONS ON THE GROUND FLOOR STREET FRONTAGE? I THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HOW THAT MAY CHANGE IN OUR CURRENT MU ZONING.
AND I THINK, AGAIN, THIS IS KNOWING THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF PETALUMA, OUR GOALS FOR ALLOWING SENIORS TO AGE IN PLACE.
THIS IS SOMETHING WE WANNA SUPPORT AND ENABLE.
UM, IS THE BUILDING MASSING APPROPRIATE? SO WE'RE GONNA DO NUMBER FOUR.
IS THE BUILDING MASSING APPROPRIATE? UH, AT THIS POINT, I'M NOT SURE.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE MORE TO MITIGATE THE MASSING IMPACTS.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE MORE IN KIND OF CHANGING AND BREAKING UP SOME OF THOSE VERTICAL PLANES, WHETHER THAT'S STEP BACKS OR WHETHER THAT'S SOME OTHER DESIGN FEATURE.
UM, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE DONE WITH REALLY TRYING TO MAKE THAT MASSING, INTEGRATE A LITTLE BIT MORE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA, UH, AND JUST SOFTEN THAT GENERALLY.
UM, THE FRONT ENTRANCE AREA I THINK IS APPROPRIATE.
UM, I THINK THAT THE SETBACK, THE VEHICULAR TURNAROUND, I THINK ALL OF THAT IS PRETTY NECESSARY FOR A SITE LIKE THIS.
UM, NUMBER FIVE, CONNECTING THE PROJECT TO PETALUMA COMMUNITY.
I THINK WE'RE A LITTLE BIT YET TO BE SEEN ON THAT AS WELL, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE A RESIDENT LED INITIATIVE.
I LIKE HEARING THE ETHOS THIS IS SOMETHING YOU WANT TO DO IN YOUR COMMUNITIES.
AGAIN, I, I THINK THERE'S SOME DESIGN THINGS WE CAN DO TO TRY TO INTEGRATE THAT, BUT OVERALL, I THINK WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA KIND OF WAIT AND SEE ON HOW YOUR TEAM AND HOW RESIDENTS LEAD SOME OF THAT.
UM, AND THEN PROJECT DESIGN THAT
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ENCOURAGES AND FACILITATES PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, AGAIN, SETBACK, BETTER PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE ALONG PETALUMA BOULEVARD, I THINK WOULD BE GREAT.UH, AND I THINK THAT ANSWERS ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT NUMBER SIX, INCLUDING THE ADJACENT PROPERTY AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF PETLAND BOULEVARD IN SYCAMORE LANE AND THE GENERAL LAND USE AMENDMENT.
DO WE HAVE ANY FEEDBACK FROM THAT PROPERTY OWNER? BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S ANSEL.
IS THERE ANY IDEA OF WHAT THEY WANT TO DO THERE OR WHAT THE NO, NOT AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE ONE OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS IS THAT, UM, THAT THERE IS OUTREACH TO THAT PROPERTY OWNER, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THAT THE, UH, IT APPEARS THAT THE GENERAL PLAN, UH, LAND USE FRAMEWORK WOULD HEAD IN THAT DIRECTION.
SO YEAH, WE DO THAT AS PART OF THE FORMAL APPLICATION.
I THINK IT MAKES SENSE AND JUST FOR KIND OF CONTINUITY, I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE ON THAT CORNER.
UM, SO I THINK THAT'S ALL MY FEEDBACK.
I AGREE WITH, UM, THE OTHER TWO COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, COMMISSIONERS.
UM, I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE BACK, THE 30 PARKING SPACES IN THE BACK, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE PROBABLY LESS OF THAT AND MORE ACTIVITIES FOR THE RESIDENTS THERE.
I APPRECIATE THE OTHER COMMENT.
UM, I'D, I'D LIKE TO RESPOND TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.
SO THE, THE PARKING ANALYSIS IS, OR, OR I GUESS THE, THE PARKING DETERMINATION WOULD BE, UM, CONSIDERED BY PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO I THINK IT'S, IT'S GREAT IF YOU, IF YOU COULD PROVIDE US WITH WHERE, JUST LIKE YOU DID WITH WHERE YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE PARKING HEADED, WHETHER IT'S A REDUCTION IN THE SURFACE PARKING REDUCTION OVERALL OR WHAT HAVE YOU, THAT WOULD BE GREAT INFORMATION.
UM, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A PARKING MINIMUM FOR THIS PROJECT.
SO WE WOULD LOOK TO THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE AN ANALYSIS OF PARKING DEMAND THAT THEY WOULD ANTICIPATE FROM THE PROJECT.
AND THEN HOW THE COMMISSION, UM, FEELS THAT THE, THE PROPOSED PARKING WOULD RESPOND TO THAT DEMAND THEN.
I LARGELY AGREE WITH, UH, MANY OF THE COMMENTS MADE BY COMMISSIONER WEISMAN, COMMISSIONER KUSON, AND COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON.
UM, I HAVE A FEW POINTS I'M GONNA GO THROUGH AND THEN I WILL LIKE COMMISSIONER KUSON ANSWER THE QUESTIONS DIRECTLY.
UM, I'M GONNA START WITH PARKING JUST BECAUSE WE JUST SPOKE ABOUT THAT AND IT'S GOOD TO HEAR THAT YOU WANT THAT FEEDBACK.
UH, I, I LARGELY AGREE WITH, UH, COMMENTS MADE DURING PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT IF THERE'S ANY ABILITY TO TURN THAT BACK SPACE INTO A MORE COMMUNITY ACTIVATION SPACE.
THAT WOULD BE IDEAL, ESPECIALLY GIVEN WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR MONTHS NOW WITH KIND OF CITY'S DIRECTION ON MORE PERMEABLE SERVICES AND MORE COMMUNITY ACTIVATION AND JUST LARGELY MORE OUTSIDE SPACES.
UM, I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS GO BEFORE THE SENIOR ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THE BEST LOOK AT WHAT KIND OF PROGRAMMING WILL BE NECESSARY, WHAT KIND OF CONCERNS WILL BE NECESSARY.
UH, I'M SURE YOU'LL HAVE A MUCH MORE INTERESTING TIME WITH THEM, UH, JUST GIVEN THEIR PROXIMITY TO THE ISSUE.
UH, I'D ALSO LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT THIS GO BEFORE P BACK, ESPECIALLY WITH THE GOAL OF LOOKING AT BETTER PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS WITH SURROUNDING ACCESS WAYS LIKE THE SMART TRAIL.
UH, THIS PROJECT, IF IT GOES THROUGH, WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE A 15 MINUTE NEIGHBORHOOD HUB ALMOST IMMEDIATELY.
I THINK BRINGING IN FEEDBACK SPECIFICALLY TO GIVE FEEDBACK TO THE APPLICANT ON HOW, HOW THE LANDSCAPING, HOW THE PEDESTRIAN CORRIDOR ACCESS WORKS TO REALLY MAKE IT HAVE THAT DESIGN GOING FORWARD.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL BECAUSE HAVING SERVED ON PBA BEFORE, I KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE WHEN YOU SEE THIS PROJECT AFTER IT'S MOSTLY BAKED AND THEY'RE ASKING, OH, SO WILL A BULB OUT HELP? AND IT'S LIKE, NO BULB OUT'S NOT GONNA HELP AT THIS STAGE WHEN OTHER DESIGNS COULD HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED.
UH, AS WAS RAISED EARLIER, THE CITY'S MOVING TOWARDS FULL ELECTRIFICATION.
UM, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED YOU DIDN'T THINK THE SITE WOULD BE ABLE TO BYPASS OUR ELECTRIC CODE.
WHEN THIS COMES BACK TO US, I'D LIKE, UH, I'D LIKE FULL REPORTING ON THAT BEING TRUE JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE FOLLOWING CITY POLICY.
I UNDERSTAND THIS MIGHT BE UNUSUAL COMPARED TO OTHER CITIES YOU'VE WORKED WITH THAT THAT'S A DIRECTION OUR CITY'S GONE IN.
OVERALL, I ESPECI, I ESPECIALLY LIKE TO SEE SOLAR IF POSSIBLE, ADDED TO THE SITE.
UM, WE'RE REALLY PUSHING THIS ON MOST OF OUR PROJECTS, SO DON'T FEEL SINGLED OUT.
UM, THE OTHER THING, I DON'T THINK IT WAS RAISED EV CHARGING, ESPECIALLY FOR ELECTRIC BIKES AND WHAT ELECTRIC BIKE STORAGE WOULD LOOK LIKE.
I COULD SEE ELECTRIC BIKES BEING AN INCREDIBLY VALUABLE ASSET FOR SENIORS TRYING TO GET A GET AROUND TOWN.
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TO RAISE EARLIER, UH, AND FOR ALL I KNOW THIS WOULD BE INCLUDED IN A LANDSCAPE DESIGN ANYWAY, BUT WATER CATCHMENT ON SITE, ESPECIALLY NOT ONLY TO FEED THE WATER THAT'S NEEDED FOR WHAT I'M ASSUMING WILL BE SOME LOVELY DROUGHT TOLERANT PLANTS, BUT ALSO JUST WE'RE, AGAIN, AS A CITY, WE HAVE A CLIMATE MITIGATION PLAN.WHEN WE FINISH OUR GENERAL PLAN POLICY, WE WILL HAVE A FULL CLIMATE MITIGATION PLAN THAT COMES WITH THE EIR FOR IT.
SO THIS ISN'T US TRYING TO PUT THIS ON YOU, THIS IS JUST THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE GOING IN.
UM, FOR, FOR STAFF, WHEN THIS COMES BACK BEFORE US, UH, IT'D BE GREAT TO SEE A CLEAR BREAKDOWN ON TRANSIT CORRIDORS AND JUST TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S NOT GONNA GET ANOTHER BUS STOP OR A BUS PART, WHY, JUST SO WE UNDERSTAND WHAT TRANSIT DEPARTMENT'S INPUT IS FOR THAT.
AND IF IT TURNS OUT, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT THEY'RE OFFERING SHUTTLE SERVICE AND IT DOESN'T MAKE NECESSARY FINE, BUT JUST TO HAVE THAT CLARITY.
UM, ALSO FOR STAFF, WHEN IT COMES BACK, AND THIS GOES BACK TO THE PUD OF IT ALL, UH, WE WE'RE REALLY GONNA NEED TO HAVE AN UNDER A CONCRETE UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THIS FITS WITH OUR UPCOMING GENERAL PLAN.
SO HAVING THAT INFORMATION ON HAND AS TO WHERE THIS FITS WITH THE CURRENT GENERAL PLAN, WHERE THIS FITS WITH LAND USE ALTERNATIVES AND WHERE THIS WILL FIT WITH OUR ACTIVE TRANSIT PLAN.
WILL THIS, WILL THIS WORK KEEP IN LINE WITH THOSE GOALS, BUT REQUIRE FURTHER ADJUSTMENT FROM THE CITY SIDE OR VICE VERSA.
IT, IT'S GONNA BE CRITICAL THAT WE'RE NOT ADDING ANOTHER PUD TO SOLVE A MOMENTARY PROBLEM, BUT THAT THIS REALLY IS US SOLVING US GETTING STARTED WITH A FUTURE DIRECTION FOR THE CITY.
UM, AND THEN, UH, I THINK THIS IS FOR THE APPLICANT.
I, I STILL HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT WHERE THE ENTRANCE IS LOCATED.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WOULD COME FROM STAFF OR THE APPLICANT, BUT REALLY A BREAKDOWN OF WHY THAT LOCATION, BECAUSE ANYTHING ADJACENT TO PENN BOULEVARD SOUTH, GIVEN HOW IT IS GIVE, JUST GIVES ME CAUSE FOR CONCERN.
AND THEN FOR DESIGN, UH, AS ANDREW CLARIFIED EARLIER, THIS PROJECT WILL BE, UH, IT'LL BE A PUD, BUT IT ALSO WILL KIND OF SET THE STA DESIGN STANDARD FOR THE AREA TO A CERTAIN DEGREE.
IT'S GOING TO SET THE DESIGN LANGUAGE AS WE'RE MOVING FORWARD.
THAT'S NOT YOUR FAULT, BUT IT IS THE TIMING OF WHERE WE'RE AT.
THE GENERAL PLAN IS COMING THROUGH.
DESIGN GUIDELINES WILL FOLLOW AFTER WE GET THROUGH OUR IMPLEMENTING ZONING ORDINANCE.
SO WE REALLY DO HAVE TO BE MINDFUL FOR EVERY PROJECT COMING THROUGH RIGHT NOW, INCLUDING YOURS, ESPECIALLY WITH A PROJECT OF THIS KIND OF MASSING.
SO WITH THIS IN MIND, UM, I KNOW THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN STATED, I THIS IS SO MUCH BETTER COMPARED TO WHAT SURROUNDS IT.
IT'S, IT'S ALSO BLAND, UH, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY THAT NICELY.
IT WOULD BE GREAT TO SEE A DESIGN THAT REALLY REFLECTS MORE OF THE HISTORY, MORE OF LIKE OUR SURROUNDING THE, THE ETHOS OF OUR SURROUNDING AG LANDS, LIKE HOW WE MARRY THAT WITH WHERE WE'RE GOING TO THE FUTURE.
UH, MORE OPEN ACCESS AIR CORRIDORS THAT CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF GOOD TRELLISING.
UH, IT'D BE GREAT TO SEE IN THE DESIGN, LIKE WE'VE HAD A LOT ABOUT DAVID BAKER RECENTLY HAS COME UP A LOT IN THE COMMUNITY AS WE'RE LOOKING, LOOKING AT WHAT KIND OF ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN STYLE WE WANNA SEE.
AND IT'S NOT SPECIFIC TO HIS OVERALL DESIGN, BUT THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PORTION OF IT THAT CAN TAKE A LOT OF, THAT CAN TAKE A VARIETY OF LOOKS, RIGHT? BUT REALLY FOCUSING IN ON HOW YOU HAVE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT WITHIN THE SITE, HOW YOU HAVE CONSTANT ACCESS AND MOBILITY.
SO IT'S NOT JUST A SERIES OF GRADE BOXES AND LIKE COMMISSIONER ATKISSON RAISED, UH, AND, AND COMMISSIONER WISEMAN HAVING DIVERSITY OF DESIGN IS GREAT IN AN AREA.
AND EVEN THOUGH THIS REFLECTS SOME OF THE OTHER SITES, AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOU LOOKED AT THAT SURROUNDING AREA, WE ARE TRYING VERY MUCH TO KIND OF ELEVATE AND EVOLVE OUR DESIGN.
AND IF THIS WERE A SMALLER PROJECT, BECAUSE I'M SURE THIS IS STARTING TO FEEL LIKE, HEY, WHY ARE YOU PUTTING ALL THIS ON US? IF THOSE ARE SMALLER PROJECT, THIS WOULDN'T BE AS MUCH OF A BIG DEAL.
BUT WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS A SIGNIFICANT ADDITION TO PETALUMA BOULEVARD.
AND I KNOW WE DO NEED MORE, UH, UH, WE DO NEED A-C-P-U-C OR C-C-C-R-C AND WE DO NEED MORE HOUSING SO RESIDENTS CAN AGE IN PLACE.
SO I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THIS.
IT JUST ALSO MEANS THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER A DESIGN THAT IS REALLY PREPARING FOR THE FUTURE.
UH, AS PART OF THAT, I REALLY ASK YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT OUR CLIMATE BLUEPRINT.
REALLY TAKE A LOOK AT THE CLIMATE MITIGATION PLAN WE'VE ALREADY STARTED TO PUT TOGETHER FOR THE CITY.
UH, WE HAVE A WONDERFUL S STAT REPORT THAT I KNOW THE CITY STAFF CAN EASILY FORWARD TO YOU.
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AND OUTSIDE OF THAT, SORRY, I'M JUST MAKING SURE I GET THROUGH EVERYTHING.UM, MORE SPECIFIC TO THE MASSING, I ALSO WOULD AGREE SETBACKS FOR PALOMA BOULEVARD SOUTH ALSO SETBACKS ON THE MA ON THE MASSING.
SO IT'S NOT JUST, IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FOUR STORIES, IT'S NOT JUST A VERTICAL HEIGHT ON PELOMA BOULEVARD SOUTH, BUT ALS BUT ALLOWS FOR THAT KIND OF ANGLED SETBACK.
UH, I'M ALSO THINKING ABOUT SHADOWS IN THE STREET AS THIS AREA JUST BECOMES DENSER GIVEN WHAT STAFF HAVE PRESENTED FOR KIND OF THE FUTURE MIXED USE OUTLOOK FOR THAT AREA.
AND THEN ANSWERING THESE QUESTIONS MORE DIRECTLY.
SHOULD WE TAKE A TIMEOUT FOR A QUICK YES, WE SHOULD.
SO THE, THE 10 30 TIMEOUT WOULD BE TO VOTE TO TAKE NEW ITEMS. WE DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
WE DON'T CONSIDER, UM, COMMISSION COMMENT AND STAFF COMMENT TO BE MEETING ITEMS. SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO VOTE TO, UM, TAKE NEW ITEMS. THE NEXT, THE NEXT, UH, CHOICE WOULD BE TO GO PAST 11.
SO, UM, I THINK IF, IF THE COMMISSION FEELS WE CAN CONCLUDE BY 11, I THINK WE CAN CONCLUDE BY 11.
UH, THEN I WILL BE QUICK GOING THROUGH THE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT YOU'VE ACTUALLY ASKED OF US.
UM, FOR THE, UH, APPROPRIATENESS OF CHANGING TO MIXED USE.
I AM, I'M CERTAINLY FINE WITH THAT GIVEN WHERE THE GENERAL PLAN APPEARS TO GO.
BUT AGAIN, I, I REALLY WANT TO SEE THAT WHEN IT COMES BACK BEFORE US, HOW THIS ALIGNS WITH CURRENT WORK BEING DONE BY THE GPAC, UH, FOR THE ZONING AMENDMENT TO PIVOT FROM COMMERCIAL ONE TO PUD, MUCH LIKE WHAT COMMISSIONER KUSON BROUGHT UP.
THIS SEEMS LIKE THE APPROPRIATE MECHANISM FOR WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, BUT AGAIN, THIS ONLY WORKS IF THE DESIGN MATCHES WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO GO.
AND I AM IN, IN A CERTAIN WAY, HAVING AN INNOVATIVE DESIGN IS WHAT WILL JUSTIFY THE PUD JUST BECAUSE OF THIS MOMENT IN TIME FOR PETALUMA.
UH, IN TERMS OF HAVING, IF IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY FOR ELDERLY SUPPORT FUNCTIONS, UM, DINING FACILITIES, ET CETERA, WITH STREET FUNDED SPACES.
I THINK SO, UH, SITE DESIGN CHARACTERISTIC IS, I, AGAIN, I THINK THIS IS EARLY IN DESIGN, THE MASSING, I'LL SAY TENTATIVELY.
BUT I, I WANNA RESERVE THAT RIGHT TILL I SEE MORE FROM, FROM THE NEXT ROUND OF DESIGNS.
UM, OR THE LARGE FRONT YARD SETBACK, MORE OF A SETBACK FOR THE FRONT, WHICH WE'VE ALREADY BROUGHT UP, CONNECTING NICE ESTABLISHMENT.
UH, IN TERMS OF CONNECTIONS FOR THE PROJECTS OF PELLY COMMUNITY, I THINK THIS GOES BACK TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU ARE MAKING THOSE CONNECTIONS TO GROUPS LIKE PETA BOUNTY, WHETHER OR NOT THAT TRANSIT IS GONNA BE IN PLACE FOR THE SITE, WHETHER IT'S PROVIDED BY THE FACILITY OR BY THE CITY.
AND, UH, IT WILL BE GOOD TO HAVE THAT SPELLED OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE WHEN IT COMES BACK BEFORE US.
THE LAST TIME WE SAW RESIDENTIAL CARE, IT WAS ALSO PROVIDED IN MORE DETAIL.
SO THIS ISN'T SOMETHING WE'D JUST BE ASKING OF YOU.
WE JUST GENERALLY NEED TO KNOW THESE THINGS.
AND THEN I DO THINK THE ADJACENCY IS ALL RIGHT.
I, I THINK THAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THE SITE, NOT KNOWING WHO OWNS THE, THE NEIGHBORING SITE, BUT FOR NOW, I THINK IT'S ALL RIGHT.
AND, UH, THAT'S IT FOR ME, ROGER.
UM, I, I, UH, SUPPORT THE COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS PRIOR TO ME.
UH, I ACTUALLY LIKED THE, UM, THE LAND USE, THE FUNCTION OF THIS, UH, FACILITY.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD, UH, INGREDIENT TO ADD TO PETALUMA.
I SUPPORT THE, UH, TRYING TO GET ADDITIONAL SETBACK ON PETALUMA BOULEVARD.
UH, AND I DO THINK THE CITY OWES YOU MORE OF GUIDELINES IN TERMS OF WHAT WE WANT PETALUMA BOULEVARD TO LOOK LIKE.
SO, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT HAPPENS, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO THINK OF IT AS A PUBLIC COURT OR YOUR PART OF IT.
UM, UM, I, I, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE, THE FRONT ENTRY.
IT LOOKS LIKE IF YOU PUT PARKING IN THERE AND BACKUP SPACE, I DON'T SEE WHERE YOU HAVE ANY OTHER ROOM FOR ANYTHING ELSE.
THERE'S VANS OR FIRE TRUCKS OR AMBULANCES.
SO I, I THINK THAT'S WAY TOO SMALL TO DO WHAT, UH, HERE YOU WANNA DO WITH IT.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, 45 FEET WIDE.
IT'S 20 FEET OF PARKING, 25 FEET OF BACKUP SPACE, AND THAT'S IT.
I THINK YOU NEED MORE FLEXIBILITY IN THAT.
UM, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU TO SHOW SOME
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REAL, I MEAN, REAL BUILDINGS THAT REFLECT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO, TO DO IN YOUR DESIGN BECAUSE, UM, THE, THE BUILDINGS YOU SHOWED AS EXAMPLES OF REFERENCES ARE, ARE NOT THE ONES YOU WANT TO USE, ARE TERRIBLE EXAMPLES OF ARCHITECTURE IN PETALUMA.SO I'D LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT A TRANSITION FROM A RENDERING TO A REAL BUILDING THAT IS AN EXAMPLE OF YOUR RENDERING, UH, AS OPPOSED TO JUST RELYING ON THE, ON THE ARTWORK OF THE DRAWING.
I ALSO THINK, UM, I AGREE WITH SOME VARIETY AND HEIGHT.
THIS, THIS IS JUST FEELS LIKE ONE BIG BUILDING.
AND AND I REALLY THINK YOU NEED TO BREAK IT DOWN INTO COMPONENTS THAT HAVE A LITTLE MORE VARIETY, A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY AND DIVERSITY.
UM, UH, I'M CONCERNED WITH THE, THE, WELL, I, I THINK THE QUESTION OF PARKING, UM, AS I, UNDER MY, UH, MY WIFE'S MOTHER LIVED IN A PLACE LIKE THIS AND, AND MY UNDERSTANDING OF, YOU KNOW, YOU COME TO VISIT, YOU PARK YOUR CAR AND YOU GO VISIT, YOU DON'T PARK IN THE FRONT, SMALL AREA LIKE THAT, YOU PARK IN THE BACK.
SO HOW ALL THAT WORKS IN TERMS OF SECURITY AND, AND, UH, IS I THINK SOMETHING YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT.
UH, AND I THINK A CLEAR ARRIVAL POINT FOR, FOR GUESTS IS IMPORTANT.
SO YOU, NOW YOU HAVE THE FRONT ENTRY OFF OF THE BOULEVARD, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE THE BACK ENTRY WHERE THERE'S MORE PARKING.
SO SOMEHOW YOU'RE GONNA GET A DIVERSITY OF, OF CONFUSION, I THINK.
UM, BUT I SUPPORT THE, THE, THE CONCEPT OF THE USE IN PETALUMA AND I SUPPORT, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S THERE, BECAUSE WHAT'S, THERE IS A VACANT LOT BASICALLY, AND IT'S AN AVAILABLE PIECE OF LAND, AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.
SO, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE GUIDELINES TO GIVE YOU TO SAY WHAT WE, HOW WE WANT IT TO BE POSITIONED.
UH, I ALSO AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE BUILDING ON THE CORNER AND THE SOUTH, SOUTH CORNER.
IT'S, IT'S AN UNFORTUNATE CONDITION AND IT WON'T GET BETTER.
AND I DON'T KNOW, UH, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE TO PURCHASE OR MAKE A DEAL, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE THE SITE GO ALL THE WAY TO THE CORONER IF POSSIBLE.
WELL, GOING LAST, I'M GONNA REPEAT SOME THINGS, BUT I'LL, I'LL FORGE AHEAD.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY MEAN IT.
UM, ECHOING WHAT MANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS SAID ABOUT THE DESIGN OF THE THREE THAT YOU HAD IN YOUR STATEMENT.
SPANISH CRAFTSMAN, MODERN, MODERN IS MY LEAST FAVORITE.
UM, BUT I DO GIVE YOU CREDIT FOR HAVING A COHESIVE VISION ACROSS THIS.
UM, I THINK WE JUST WOULD PREFER SOMETHING A LITTLE LESS GRAY IN BEIGE, UM, REGARDING LANDSCAPING.
JUST A NOTE TO COME BACK TO US WITH, UH, DO PLEASE CONSIDER THE MATURE SIZE OF THE PLANTS THAT YOU'RE CHOOSING, UM, TO BE SURE THAT THE MAINTENANCE FITS.
AND, AND YOU DON'T END UP WITH A, YOU KNOW, SHRUB THAT HAS TO GET CUT TO TWIGS.
'CAUSE ONCE IT ACTUALLY IS ITS MATURE SIZE, IT NO LONGER FITS IN THE SPACE.
UM, NOW I'M GONNA RATTLE OFF SOME THINGS THAT I, THAT I'M WANTING TO SEE NEXT TIME.
WE APPRECIATE SEEING THINGS EARLY, SO NOW I'M TELLING YOU WHAT I WANNA SEE NEXT TIME.
UM, LIKE CLEARLY LABELED, WE NEED TO SEE A TRASH ENCLOSURE.
WE NEED TO SEE SOLAR, ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING AND AN ELECTRIFIED BIKE STORAGE ROOM THAT HAS ADEQUATE RACKS FOR E-BIKES.
UM, I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE OTHER MENTIONED AMENITIES, THE ART ROOM, THE MOVIE THEATER, ET CETERA.
CLEARLY DISPLAYED ON A FLOOR PLAN FOR HANDICAP PARKING.
THERE'S OBVIOUSLY GONNA BE SOME SORT OF MINIMUMS IN THE CODE, BUT I JUST WANT TO EARMARK AHEAD OF TIME THAT THE PETALUMA BOULEVARD NORTH EIGHT SPOTS THAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE, PLEASE MAKE AT LEAST TWO OF THOSE HANDICAPPED.
I'D LIKE TO SEE A THIRD ELEVATOR THAT SUPPORTS THE SOUTH SIDE.
YOU'VE GOT ONE ON THE NORTH SIDE, AND THEN ONE SORT OF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE U, AND THEN NOTHING THAT GOES TO THE SOUTH WING.
AND IT'S GONNA MAKE FOR A LONG WALK FOR RESIDENTS IN THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND FOR HARDER ACCESS, OR LIKE, NOT AS CONVENIENT ACCESS TO THE, UH, FITNESS CENTER.
SO I THINK YOU NEED TO ADD AN ELEVATOR.
AND THEN REGARDING COURTYARD ACCESS, UM, WOULD LOVE TO SEE MORE SORT OF VISUALIZATIONS OF THAT COURTY ACCESS ON YOUR FIRST FLOOR PLAN.
UM, AND THAT GOES ALSO TO THE PET AREA ACCESS.
I THINK ONE THING THAT I THOUGHT A LOT ABOUT WHEN WE WERE REVIEWING SPIRIT LIVINGS, UM, SPAR WAS
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THE FLOW FOR RESIDENTS.AND ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT POTENTIALLY MOBILITY CHALLENGED FOLKS, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY AREN'T HAVING A HIKE ALL THE WAY AROUND A GRAND LOBBY TO GET TO THE ELEVATOR TO GET TO THEIR ROOM, EXCUSE ME, TO GET TO THEIR ROOM.
UM, SO HAVING A CLEAR SENSE OF THE FLOW FOR THE RESIDENTS.
AND AGAIN, THAT PET AREA ACCESS, I THINK YOU ARE PRIMED TO HAVE, UH, EXIT.
YOU'VE GOT THAT SORT OF NORTH ELEVATOR, TOILET, TOILET.
I THINK YOU COULD HAVE A DOOR RIGHT THERE TO GET PEOPLE TO THE PET AREA AND THEN ALSO OUT TO THE SIDEWALK AND, AND INTO THE CITY.
THIS IS MORE OF A SORT OF TO CONSIDER.
UM, I THINK YOU ALL SHOULD CONSIDER MOVING THE POOL CLOSER.
IT'S A LONG DAMP WALK AS CURRENTLY DESIGNED, AND BY HAVING THE POOL CLOSER, YOU'LL HAVE MORE FLEXIBILITY TO REPROGRAM THAT SURFACE SLOT.
I THINK IF YOU LOOK 20 YEARS IN THE FUTURE AND WE DON'T HAVE AS MANY INDIVIDUAL CARS AND YOU'RE WANTING TO RIP OUT THAT SURFACE LOT AND DO SOMETHING BETTER WITH IT, HAVING THE POOL RIGHT THERE IS GONNA BE A PAIN.
SO I WOULD CONSIDER MOVING THAT POOL CLOSER TO THE BUILDING, MAYBE SACRIFICING SOME OF THE POND AND STREAM, WHICH DOES FEEL A LITTLE OUT OF PLACE GIVEN OUR DROUGHT SITUATION OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.
SO MAYBE WE REPLACE SOME OF THE WATER FEATURES WITH ROCK AND SAND AND ZEN GARDENY TYPE FEATURES, UM, AND REDUCE THE WATER USAGE.
UM, OKAY, ALMOST THERE ON THE ZONING QUESTIONS.
UH, I, I'LL BE HONEST THAT I DON'T LOVE A PROPOSAL THAT'S OVER ON HEIGHT AND UNDER ON FAR THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS, WITH THIS DESIGN, THE PETALUMA RESIDENTS ON THE BOULEVARD WILL SEE A FULL BUILDING, AND ALL OF YOUR RESIDENTS WILL HAVE THIS BEAUTIFUL LIGHT, AIRY COURTYARD.
NO ONE IN PETALUMA IS GONNA GET TO EXPERIENCE THAT BEAUTIFUL COURTYARD UNLESS THEY'RE PAYING YOUR ENTRY FEES.
UM, SO TO THE EXTENT THAT OUR SETBACKS, STEP BACKS AND PERHAPS INTEGRATING SOME OF THE, UM, FEATURES TO BE SOFTENING THAT FRONTAGE, UM, I THINK WOULD HELP.
AND LAST THING I'LL SAY IS THAT I'M WILLING TO LET GO OF THE GROUND FLOOR PUBLIC ACCESS.
I THINK THAT'S LIKE BEEN ACKNOWLEDGED ACROSS THE COMMISSION, UM, AND SEEMS REASONABLE, AND THAT'S ALL.
COUNCIL MEMBER, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, EV BIKES, UM, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT STORAGE.
YOU MAY WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT PEOPLE USE THE, THE EV TRIKES, SO IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT, UM, STORAGE SPACE THAN JUST A REGULAR BIKE.
AND THE OTHER, I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF ON SICK MORE, IS THAT A FOUR-WAY CROSSING ON SYCAMORE OR IS IT JUST, I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT CROSSING GOES OVER TO SHASTA.
I'M THERE ALL THE TIME, BUT I DON'T EVEN, IT, IT FUNCTIONS A, I MEAN, EFFECTIVELY AS A FOUR-WAY STOP, IS IT? YES.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT RIGHT.
AND THEN JUST, UM, SINCE YOU'RE GONNA BE MEETING WITH THE SENIOR COMMITTEE, JUST KNOW THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE ASKING FOR, UM, A CIRCUIT EXERCISE AREA.
SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO JUST KNOW THAT NOW, BECAUSE THAT'S OUTDOORS, PARDON ME, OUTDOORS AN OUTDOOR YEAH.
THAT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT WE'LL DEFINITELY BE ASKED.
AND, UM, I JUST WANT TO, UM, QUICKLY TALK ABOUT, UM, NOISE ON THE BOULEVARD.
UM, ARE WE GONNA DO A SOUND STUDY OF ANY KIND BECAUSE COULD THE WINDOWS IN THE FRONT BE DIFFERENT THAN THE WINDOWS ON THE SIDE? IS WHEN I AM TO KEEP SOUND OUT? OR WHAT TYPE OF WINDOWS ARE YOU GOING TO USE VERSUS, I'M, I'M, I'M TRYING TO THINK.
I THINK THAT THERE'S INTERIOR MAXIMUM DECIBELS THAT HAVE TO BE COMPLIED WITH.
SO, UM, I WOULD LEAVE THAT TO THE SQUA TEAM TO, TO DETERMINE IF AN ACOUSTIC OR NOISE STUDY IS REQUIRED.
BUT I THINK CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, UH, BETWEEN SQA REQUIREMENTS AS WELL AS I'M SURE THE, THE APPLICANT TEAM IS VERY INTERESTED IN SORT OF THE COMFORT OF ITS RESIDENTS AND, AND, UH, WE'LL MAKE A NOTE TO KEEP AN EYE ON THAT.
WELL, WITH THAT, WE ARE DONE WITH THIS ITEM.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO THE APPLICANT TEAM.
UH, THAT WILL CLOSE OUT MEETING ITEM TWO.
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BRINGS US TO COMMISSION COMMENT.UH, I'LL JUST GO RIGHT DOWN THE LIST.
UM, THIS WAY, THIS TIME, JESSICA, NOTHING FROM ME, RICK.
UM, MICROPHONE, THIS IS NOT REGARDING THE, THE MICROPHONE AND THIS IS JUST FOR GENERAL COMMISSIONER CU, THESE ARE COMMISSIONER KA NOT REGARDING THIS PROJECT.
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UM, MY ONLY COMMENT IS, UH, THE LAST MEETING, WALKING OUT AT 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, I WAS FOLLOWING THE, THE WOMAN WHO REPRESENTS THE SENIOR WITH A CANE IN, IN A VERY DARK COURTYARD.I MEAN, SHE COULD NOT SEE THE, THE GROUND, SHE COULD NOT FEEL THERE WAS A HUMP THERE.
THERE'S BEEN, IT'S A DANGEROUS PLACE.
IT IS NOT, IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY, UH, NOT LEGALLY CORRECT FOR A PUBLIC GATHERING PLACE TO THE, UH, FOOT CANDLES REQUIRED.
UM, AND I'M SU I'M JUST SURPRISED THE CITY HASN'T BEEN HAD A PROBLEM, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT THAT.
I'LL, I'LL PASS THAT ALONG TO THE CITY MANAGER.
YEAH, AND I'LL JUST ADD TO A, FOR CITY TO BE LIABLE FOR LIKE DANGEROUS HAZARDS OR TRIP AND FALLS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF IS IF THE CITY WAS AWARE OF THE DANGEROUS HAZARDS.
SO I THINK YOU JUST STATING THAT IN A PUBLIC HEARING THAT'S GONNA BE TELEVISED IS PUTTING THE CITY ON PRETTY GOOD NOTICE.
SO I'LL DEFINITELY TALK TO, IT SOUNDS LIKE ANDREW'S GONNA TALK TO PEGGY, THE CITY MANAGER.
I'LL TALK TO DIANE ANN RAMIREZ, WHO, UH, DOES A LOT OF THE INTERIOR, UH, DESIGNS HERE FOR CITY FACILITIES IN, IN PUBLIC WORKS.
SO I'LL EMAIL HER RIGHT NOW, ACTUALLY TOMORROW MORNING IT'S LATE.
PETALUMA WAS HAVING A, WHAT I'M SURE WAS A FANTASTIC EXPO DURING OUR MEETING TONIGHT, AND I CAN ONLY IMAGINE IT WENT VERY WELL AND, AND WAS FREE OF CONTENTION.
UM, JUST FOR, UH, FOLKS HERE, FOR CITY STAFF AND ANYBODY DEALING WITH SCTA, WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF HOUSE OF ORIGIN DEADLINE AT THE LEGISLATURE.
IF THERE'S ANY BILL THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO KILL BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE A RESTRICTION IN TRANSIT OR HOUSING OR WHAT, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE THAT A LOCAL GOVERNMENT MIGHT WANT TO AVOID, UM, NOW IS THE TIME TO PUT IN YOUR SUPPORT TO SUPPORT TO END IT.
UM, I WAS TOLD AT A, AT A REGIONAL MEETING, SOMEBODY MADE THE COMMENT THAT YOU'VE GOTTA WAIT TILL IT GETS OUT OF HOUSE OF ORIGIN.
YOU, YOU WANT TO DO IT BEFORE IT GETS TO, IF IT'S FROM THE ASSEMBLY TO THE CENTER, SET IT TO THE ASSEMBLY WITH A CORRESPONDING CO-SPONSOR, IT GETS A LOT HARDER AFTER THAT.
UM, AND THEN THAT ASIDE, UM, ANDREW, I'LL, I'LL BRING THIS UP WITH YOU OFFLINE.
THE NEIGHBORS FROM THE, UH, 32 UNIT AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT THAT WE RECENTLY PASSED, THEY, THEY WANT TO JUST, THEY WANT TO HAVE SOME FOLLOW UP JUST ON WHAT IMPLEMENT IMPLEMENTATION'S GONNA LOOK LIKE AND KINDA A LOT OF THEIR CONCERNS, THEY'RE GONNA WANT TO HAVE A FORM OF COMMUNITY MEETING.
UH, I'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM THEM, SO I'LL BE PASSING THAT ALONG TO YOU, UH, OFFLINE AND WITH THAT COUNCIL MEMBER.
UM, LAST NIGHT WE HAD A LONG COUNCIL MEETING.
IT WAS ON THE BUDGET AND IT WAS ACTUALLY A REALLY GOOD BUDGET.
IT'S, UM, STAFF DID A GREAT JOB AND I ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO READ IT BECAUSE IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION IN THERE.
UM, I DID STOP AT COOL PETALUMA BEFORE I CAME HERE, UM, AND IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS REALLY GOOD, BUT I HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, RUN REALLY FAST.
BUT IT WAS REALLY GREAT AND THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE, AND I WAS AT THE BEGINNING, SO I'M SURE THERE'S A LOT MORE.
AND I DO WANT JUST TO COMMENT THAT THIS WAS CHALLENGING, UM, TO, UM, DISCUSS THIS PROJECT TONIGHT.
IT'S CHALLENGING BECAUSE OF THE OWNERS.
UM, THEY, UM, PUT A LOT OF MONEY INTO, UM, RECALL JILL RAVICH OUR, UM, LAST DISTRICT ATTORNEY, AND THEY ALSO PUT A LOT OF MONEY IN TO STOP THE SMART, UM, TAX EXTENSION, WHICH IS, WHICH HAS REALLY PUT, UM, IT, IT'S DIFFICULT WHEN A MEASURE IS, YOU KNOW, A TAX MEASURE IS GONNA END AND YOU WANNA GET IT ON BEFORE IT ENDS.
AND SO IT'S JUST REALLY HARD FOR ME TO REALLY WANT THE GALLAGHERS TO COME INTO PETALUMA AND SPREAD WHAT THEY'VE DONE.
AND I, LET'S NOT FORGET THE TUBS FIRE WHEN, UM, THAT WAS GOING ON.
PEOPLE WERE LEFT AND THEY DIED.
AND SO I JUST WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW THIS WAS A CHALLENGING, UM, DISCUSSION BECAUSE OF WHO YOU WERE ACTUALLY DEALING WITH.
UM, THIS IS ON ZOOM AND SAUSALITO CITY COUNCIL, UM, THE NAZI LEVERS WERE ABLE TO BYPASS THE UNMUTE AND SO THEY ARE STILL AROUND AND NOW THEY CAN BYPASS THE, YOU KNOW, THE MUTE.
AND SO I JUST WANNA LET PEOPLE KNOW THIS IS
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WHY PROBLEMS WITH ZOOM AND WHY I REALLY DON'T WANT TO BRING ZOOM BACK AT THIS TIME.AND I DID LET THE CITY MANAGER KNOW BY, UM, AN EMAIL WHAT HAPPENED SO PEOPLE CAN FOLLOW THROUGH TO FIND OUT REALLY WHAT HAPPENED, UM, AND HOW YOU WORK WITH YOUR IT DEPARTMENT, UM, WITH OTHER CITIES.
BUT IT'S DISTURBING THAT THAT HAPPENED.
AND THAT WAS, I THINK TODAY OR YESTERDAY.
UM, WE HAD A TREE COMMITTEE MEETING WITH MUSIC PARKS AND REC TO GO OVER THE NATURAL RESOURCES, GENERAL PLAN ELEMENTS AND THE PARKS AND FACILITIES ELEMENTS.
AND ANDREW, WILL YOU REMIND US, WE HAVE OUR AD HOCS DISCUSSING THE GENERAL PLAN.
WE DISCUSSED SPLITTING, I BELIEVE ENVIRONMENTAL, UM, EQUITY OR ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE AND NATURAL RESOURCES.
CAN YOU REMIND US WHEN, WHEN THE HOMEWORK'S DUE, UH, WHEN WE'RE SUPPOSED TO COMPLETE OUR REVIEWS AND THINGS LIKE THAT? YEAH.
IT WAS YESTERDAY, RIGHT? RIGHT.
ANDREW AND I JUST HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS.
UM, WHY DON'T WE, I CAN, I CAN DO THAT DURING STAFF COMMENTS.
I'LL BE HAPPY TO, THAT SOUNDS LIKE THAT SOUNDS GREAT.
UH, BUT YES, THAT MEETING WAS GREAT.
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TO STAFF COMMENT.UM, SO YES, ALL THINGS, UM, GENERAL PLAN UPDATE, RIGHT FOR THE NEXT SEVERAL MEETINGS.
SO MAY 28TH, WE'LL BE HAVING PRESENTATIONS FROM STAFF ON THE SAFETY AND GOVERNANCE AND IMPLEMENTATION, UM, FRAMEWORKS.
AND THEN THAT WILL BE, UH, ALL COMMISSION COMMENT ON THOSE FRAMEWORKS.
THEN AD HOC TWO, UH, WHICH IS LED BY VICE CHAIR RASON, WILL PRESENT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INFRASTRUCTURE AND NOISE FRAMEWORKS.
THEN ON JUNE 11TH WE'LL HAVE FLOOD RESILIENCE AND ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE, UM, FRAMEWORKS.
CURRENTLY THOSE ARE WITH AD HOC ONE.
UM, AND THEN THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT FRAMEWORK WITH AD HOC TWO.
SO, UM, AD HOC TWO, I THINK YOU'RE LOOKING AT COMPLETING YOUR REVIEWS THEN BY JUNE 11TH.
UM, AND THEN JUNE 18TH WILL BE A BIT OF A BREAK.
IT WILL BE, UH, ALL COMMISSION REVIEWS OF HISTORIC RESOURCES, ARTS, CREATIVITY AND CULTURE AND PUBLIC FACILITIES FRAMEWORKS.
BUT THOSE PRIMARY REVIEW CCBS ARE HCP C UM, PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE AND I CAN'T RECALL WHO'S REVIEWING PUBLIC FACILITIES, BUT, SO THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT LIGHTER WEIGHT BECAUSE THOSE WILL COME TO YOU WITH COMMENTS ALREADY.
THEN, UM, ON THE 25TH WE HAVE, WE'RE ANTICIPATING THE SCOTT RANCH RESIDENTIAL SPAR PUBLIC HEARING FOLLOWED BY PARKS AND RECREATION AND MOBILITY, UM, AD HOC REVIEWS.
UM, AND THEN JULY 9TH, WE CURRENTLY HAVE THE DRAFT EIR UH, REVIEW FOR THE DOWNTOWN OVERLAY, EKN APPALACHIAN HOTEL AGENDIZED.
AND THEN WE'LL WRAP UP THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE INCLUDING LAND USE ALTERNATIVES ON JULY 23RD.
AND UNLESS THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M CLOSING THIS MEETING.
NO, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT, UH, I WAS ACTUALLY AT THE GRAND OPENING OF THAT CHEVY DEALER WHEN IT OPENED UP ON THAT PROPERTY