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          ALL RIGHT, WE'VE 
          [CALL TO ORDER]
GOT ALL OUR MEMBERS HERE. 
          OUR CHAIR, BLAKE COOPER, IS RUNNING ABOUT 15 OR 20 MINUTES LATE, SO I GET TO DO THE HONORS AND KICK US OFF HERE. 
          SO I'LL CALL TO ORDER THE TUESDAY, MAY 28TH, 2024, REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY OF PETALUMA PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          AND I WILL START US OFF WITH A CALL TO ORDER AND I'LL ASK FOR A ROLL CALL. 
          COMMISSIONER BAUER HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER MOSES. 
          HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER KERLAN. 
          HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER KUSON. 
          HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER WIMAN. 
          ABSENT. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER KATE THOMPSON. 
          HERE. 
          CHAIR HOOPER. 
          CURRENTLY NOT. 
          HERE. 
          WE HAVE A QUORUM. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          AND THEN WE ARE NOW 
          [GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT]
MOVING TO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, UH, AS WE APPROACH GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          I'LL READ OUT DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON ITEMS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THAT ARE WITHIN THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION, AND THAT ARE NOT LISTED ON THE CURRENT AGENDA. 
          PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON, DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF PERSONS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          TIME WILL BE ALLOCATED IN EQUAL SHARES TOTALING NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES. 
          SO I'LL OPEN GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, ASK ANYONE IN ATTENDANCE TO BRING THEIR CARDS FORWARD. 
          I THINK I HAVE THE ONE AND ONLY HERE. 
          UH, SO I'LL JUST START OFF WITH DWAYNE. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          I AM, UH, FIRST OF ALL, I SHOULD EXPLAIN. 
          I, I WAS GONNA SPEAK TO YOU LAST WEEK AND, UM, WAS DOWNTOWN, GOT DELAYED AND, UH, CALLED MY WIFE AT SIX 30, ASKED HER WHETHER YOU'RE ON AND WHETHER IT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE AM I COMING HERE? AND SHE TOLD ME THAT THE, UM, THE COMPUTER SAID, TOLD HER THAT, UH, THE MEETING WAS OVER. 
          SO I DID NOT COME UP THE HILL . 
          AND SO YOU'RE HAVE TO PUT UP WITH ME THIS EVENING, IF YOU DON'T MIND. 
          AND, UM, WHAT I WANTED TO DO WAS MENTIONED, UM, UH, I THINK BLAKE MENTIONED, UH, BILL CORDEM. 
          AND, UH, 35 YEARS AGO, BILL CORDEM, AS WELL AS MYSELF, UH, ATTENDED A MEETING IN SANTA ROSA ON PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED COMMUNITIES, UH, CALTHORPE PRESENTATION AROUND RAIL. 
          SO THAT'S 35 YEARS AGO. 
          I'VE BEEN WAITING TO ADDRESS YOU, SO I DON'T HOPE YOU DON'T MIND MY ADDRESSING YOU ONE WEEK LATE. 
          UM, BUT I'D ALWAYS ANTICIPATED THAT, AND I HANDED ONE OF THESE IN. 
          UM, I'D LIKE TO HAVE MADE ONE FOR EACH OF YOU, BUT, UM, I ALWAYS ANTICIPATED THAT 83 ACRES WOULD BE, WOULD BE THE, THE SHAPE OF THE, UM, DESIGN FOR, FOR BUILDING AROUND THE, UH, THE NORTH OF CORONA, UM, AROUND THE STATION. 
          AND, UM, 83 ACRES WOULD BE ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, WE'VE GOTTA ALLOW FOR RESIDENT, UH, NOT ONLY HOUSING, WHICH, UH, COULD THEY SAY UP TO 2020 HOUSES PER ACRE THE STATE IS TALKING ABOUT, BUT ALSO, UM, UM, RESTAURANTS AND, UH, STORE PARKS AND, UH, PLAYGROUNDS. 
          AND, UH, MAYBE, UH, THE SCHOOL, UH, WOULD WANT TO USE PART OF THAT 83 ACRES. 
          SO I WAS PLEASED THAT THAT, UH, THAT THE, UM, 139 WAS CONSIDERED, WHICH WOULD MAKE IT EASIER TO PLAN FOR ALL THOSE FACILITIES. 
          BUT, UM, IF THAT DIDN'T WORK, UM, BECAUSE OF, UH, SOME OF YOU DIDN'T WANT A 19 ACRES, 19.7, AND I NEVER ANTICIPATED THE 19.7 ACRES ON THE NORTH END BE INCLUDED, 105 ACRES, UM, WOULD FOLLOW, WOULD CUT THE LOTS, BUT WOULD CUT OFF THE PROPERTY THAT IS NOT BEING USED FOR RESIDENCES. 
          THERE'S A, A LONG CORONA, I'M SORRY, A LONG ELI, THEIR HOUSES ALONG THERE. 
          AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND, THESE PEOPLE HAVE NOT BEEN CONTACTED TO ASK WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE. 
          SOME OF THEM WOULD, WOULD LIKE JUST TO REMAIN RURAL RESIDENTIAL, AND SOME OF THEM MIGHT LIKE TO HAVE PART OF THEIR PROPERTY INCLUDED, AND SOME OF THEM MIGHT WANNA BE ALL INCLUDED. 
          AND SO IT'D BE APPROPRIATE TO CONTACT THEM AND ASK THEM WHAT THEY WOULD REALLY LIKE, WHETHER IT BE THE 83 ACRES, 105 ACRES, OR SOME OTHER DIFFERENT AMOUNT OF ACREAGE AS TO WHAT WORKS BEST FOR COMING UP WITH A PROPER PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED COMMUNITY. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I WANNA SEE IS ONE THAT IS LIVABLE, WORKABLE, AND SUPPORTS THE RAIL. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO SAY LAST WEEK. 
          AND THANK YOU MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU DWAYNE. 
          AND THANK YOU FOR COMING THIS WEEK. 
          LAST WEEK WE DID HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A RECORDING ERROR. 
          WE GOT IT ADDRESSED, BUT THANK YOU FOR COMING AND MAKING YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          UM, BEFORE I FORGET, I WANNA ASK THE CLERK, DID WE RECEIVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING WE RECEIVED? NO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING. 
          ALRIGHT, WELL, I WILL CLOSE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, SEEING NO OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC IN ATTENDANCE, AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO PRESENTATIONS. 
          AND TODAY WE HAVE NO PRESENTATIONS, SO WE WILL CLOSE PRESENTATIONS PRETTY QUICKLY AND MOVE TO THE APPROVAL 
          [APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
OF MINUTES. 
          SO, MEETING ITEM ONE, APPROVAL OF MINUTES FOR THE MEETING OF 
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MAY 22ND, 2024. 
          I'LL INVITE COMMISSIONERS TO GIVE FEEDBACK OR AMENDMENTS IF THERE ARE ANY. 
          OKAY, THEN I WILL MOVE TO A VOTE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. 
          COMMISSIONER BAUER? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER MOSES. 
          ABSTAIN. 
          I WAS ABSENT. 
          COMMISSIONER KERLAN? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER KUSON? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER WIMAN. 
          ABSENT. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON? YES. 
          CHAIR HOOPER. 
          CURRENTLY NOT HERE. 
          THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU CLERK. 
          SO I'LL CLOSE MEETING ITEM ONE, CONTINUE 
          [PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION]
ON TO PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION. 
          SO THIS IS GONNA BE MEETING ITEM NUMBER TWO, A STUDY SESSION, A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY OF PETALUMA PLANNING COMMISSION TO RECEIVE STAFF AND PLANNING COMMISSION AD HOC COMMITTEE PRESENTATIONS AND CONDUCT A STUDY SESSION TO SOLICIT INPUT AND PROVIDE NON-BINDING COMMENTS TO GENERAL PLAN, UPDATE STAFF AND CONSULTANTS FOR THE DRAFT SAFETY GOVERNMENT AND IN GOVERNANCE AND IMPLEMENTATION, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, INFRASTRUCTURE AND UTILITIES AND NOISE POLICY FRAMEWORKS FOR THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          UH, SO NO ACTION IS BEING TAKEN, THEREFORE, CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT DETERMINATION IS NOT REQUIRED. 
          FOLLOWING REVIEW OF THE DRAFT POLICY FRAMEWORKS AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE DRAFT LAND USE FRAMEWORK, THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE PROJECT WILL BEGIN PREPARATION OF THE EIR FOR THE PROJECT. 
          UH, SO MATERIALS, THIS WAS PUBLISHED ON WEDNESDAY, AND THEN THE ITEM WAS UPDATED THIS PAST FRIDAY WITH SOME MORE PRESENTATIONS. 
          SO NOT A PUBLIC HEARING DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY EX PARTE DISCLOSURE FROM THE COMMITTEE. 
          AND I WILL JUST JUMP RIGHT INTO, NOT SURE WHO'S GONNA KICK US OFF, BUT FOR AN OVERVIEW OF SAFETY AND THE GOVERNMENT GOVERNANCE AND IMPLEMENTATION FRAMEWORKS, LEAVE IT TO YOU, RON, BRIAN, HEATHER TO START US OFF. 
          THANK YOU. 
          VICE CHAIR BRIAN O DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. 
          UH, I'M JOINED TODAY BY A, I MEAN, WHAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE ENTIRE, UM, CONSULTING AND STAFF TEAM, UH, WORKING ON GETTING THE GENERAL PLAN PROCESS, UM, THROUGH JUST AS YOU OUTLINED. 
          SO TONIGHT, UM, KICKS OFF A SERIES OF PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEW OF THE FRAMEWORKS. 
          AGAIN, THIS IS A CRITICAL COMPONENT FOR US TO GET TO A PUBLIC DRAFT OF THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          AND SO WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR THE ADDITIONAL TIME, UM, AND THE THOUGHT THAT HAS BEEN GOING, UM, INTO THE CONVERSATIONS TO DATE. 
          AND SO WE'LL BE COVERING A SUBSECTION OF THE FRAMEWORKS AND WE'LL JUST PROVIDE A QUICK OVERVIEW HERE. 
          AND SO I'LL JUST BRIEFLY TOUCH ON THE FRAMEWORKS AND THE REVIEW PROCESS THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY EMBARKING ON. 
          UM, AND THEN WE'RE, WE'VE, UM, POSITIONED THIS TO BE A TWO PART, UM, AGENDA. 
          AND SO FIRST WE'LL HAVE AN OVERVIEW OF THE SAFETY IMPLEMENTATION GOVERNANCE FRAMEWORKS, UH, PAUSE FOR SOME COMMISSION QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. 
          UM, DEPENDING ON THE LENGTH OF THAT SECTION, UM, WE MAY WANNA CONSIDER, UM, TAKING A, A SHORT BREAK BEFORE WE DIVE INTO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, INFRASTRUCTURE, UTILITIES AND NOISE. 
          UM, AND THEN THAT PORTION OF THE DISCUSSION, UM, WE WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ALSO HEAR FROM THE AD HOC THAT'S BEEN DOING A DEEP DIVE, UM, INTO SAID FRAMEWORKS. 
          THEN WE'LL WRAP THAT UP WITH THE, A SET OF COMMISSION QUESTIONS AND PUBLIC COMMENT AS WELL. 
          SAME, UH, SLIDE, UH, FOR THE TIMELINE, UM, AGAIN, WE'RE RIGHT IN THE THROES OF, UM, GETTING TO A, AN ALTERNATIVE, UM, WHICH WILL ALLOW US TO MOVE FORWARD AND DEVELOP THE DRAFT PLAN. 
          KICK OFF THE EIR AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, WITH FINAL ADOPTION, UH, TOWARD THE TAIL END OF 25. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          AND SO THE PURPOSE AND STRUCTURE OF THIS EVENING, MUCH LIKE, UH, EACH OF OUR COMMITTEE COMMISSIONS AND BOARD REVIEW OF EACH OF THE FRAMEWORKS, IT'S THE OUTLINE, THE PROPOSED GENERAL PLAN GOALS, POLICIES AND IMPLEMENTATION ACTIONS, AND THE GOALS. 
          IT'S A, UH, A LOOSE GENERAL STATEMENT THAT EXPRESSES OUTCOMES TOWARDS WHICH PLANNING EFFORTS ARE DIRECTED, UH, THINK HIGH LEVEL VISION. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, A NUMBER OF POLICIES. 
          AND THOSE ARE STATEMENTS OF INTENT DIRECTION THAT PROVIDES STAFF AND FUTURE STAFF, UM, TO ACCOMPLISH THE GOALS THAT ARE OUTLINED IN THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          AND THEN WE CLOSE IT UP WITH SPECIFIC ACTIONS. 
          UM, AND THESE ARE VERY SPECIFIC TO AN ACTIVITY, UM, A PROJECT, A PROGRAM, 
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AND THEN YOU SEE ON YOUR RIGHT A SET OF EXAMPLES OF EACH OF THOSE. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, UM, JUST A DIFFERENT, UH, WAY OF LOOKING AT THE MORE FOCUSED TIMELINE ON THE POLICY FRAMEWORKS. 
          UH, MANY OF YOU WERE ABLE TO SUPPORT PLAN FEST, WHICH WAS A REALLY GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR FROM A GREATER PORTION OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, AND SO WE ARE CONTINUING TO ENCOURAGE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT THROUGHOUT THIS, UH, PERIOD OF TIME. 
          AND SO WE'RE RIGHT IN THE COMMUNITY DISCUSSION 2024, ULTIMATELY LOOKING, UM, FOR A SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS FROM OUR GENERAL PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE, UH, WHICH WE WOULD THEN BRING BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, BEFORE GOING TO COUNSEL FOR, UH, POLICY DIRECTION. 
          AND, UM, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST AN OVERVIEW. 
          UH, EACH OF THE ICONS REPRESENT A FRAMEWORK. 
          UM, AGAIN, WE'LL DO A DEEP DIVE INTO A HANDFUL OF THESE THIS EVENING. 
          NEXT SLIDE, . 
          AND THEN, UM, HOW THIS GENERAL PLAN IS DIFFERENT. 
          UM, WHAT WE'RE HOPING IS IT'S COMPELLING, IT'S HOLISTIC, IT'S INTEGRATED. 
          IT TAKES A STRATEGIC APPROACH TO ACCOMPLISH THE GOALS THAT NOT ONLY THE CITY COUNCIL, NOT ONLY STAFF, BUT THE COMMUNITY ENVISIONS FOR THE FUTURE OF OUR COMMUNITY. 
          UM, AND THE WAY WE HAVE CURRENTLY ORGANIZED IT, UM, YOU KNOW, WILL LOOK DIFFERENT, RIGHT? WE HAVE SORT OF A FRAMEWORK STRUCTURE AS MORE OF THE COMMENTS COME IN. 
          UM, WE WILL LOOK TO, UM, COME UP WITH A SET OF ELEMENTS, UM, SOME THAT ARE REQUIRED, SOME THAT MAY NOT BE REQUIRED, BUT OTHERS THAT WE WANNA PRIORITIZE AS A COMMUNITY. 
          THERE'LL BE A DIGITAL COMPONENT, UM, THAT'S USER-FRIENDLY, UM, ACCESSIBLE, UM, TO THE PUBLIC. 
          UM, AND WITH EVERY GENERAL PLAN COMES IMPLEMENTATION. 
          SO CLEARLY IDENTIFYING THE ROLES OF CITY OF COMMUNITY AND VARIOUS, UM, PARTNERS SUCH AS OUR STATE. 
          AND THEN ALSO TRACKING HOW ARE WE DOING THE BEST, UM, LAID PLANS, UM, ARE LIMITED BY, YOU KNOW, THE PROGRESS THAT WE MAKE AND THE TRACKING OF THAT. 
          AND SO MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S CLEAR METRICS AND WE'RE REPORTING THOSE, UM, OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          SURE. 
          THANK YOU, BRIAN. 
          GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. 
          UH, RON WHITMORE, PRINCIPAL WITH REAMING ASSOCIATES. 
          UM, GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN. 
          UM, AND THEN, SO JUST A, A LITTLE REFRESHER FOR YOU. 
          UM, I THINK, UM, STAFF HAVE COVERED THIS EXTENSIVELY WITH YOU ALREADY, BUT, UM, THERE'S A, THIS IS THE SECOND IN A SERIES OF MEETINGS WITH YOU ABOUT THE POLICY FRAMEWORKS, AND THIS JUST OUTLINES, UM, WHAT WE ASSUME AT THIS POINT WE'LL COVER AT EACH OF THE MEETINGS, UM, CULMINATING AS, UM, BRIAN MENTIONED IN YOUR JULY 23RD MEETING AS HELPFUL TO TO FINALIZE ANY COMMENTS. 
          SO WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU OVER THE COMING WEEKS. 
          UM, ALSO A REMINDER, UM, IT IS BEST FOR US IF WE RECEIVE COMMENTS USING THE FORM THAT WAS PROVIDED. 
          UM, AND FOR THE AD HOCS, UM, IT DISTINGUISHES BOTH, UM, COMMENTS WHERE THERE'S, UH, CONSENSUS AMONGST AD HOC MEMBERS AS WELL AS A SPACE TO IDENTIFY WHERE THERE MAY BE DIFFERENCES IN OPINION OR PERSPECTIVE ON CERTAIN POLICIES. 
          AND SO WE, UM, WELCOME THOSE AND IT'S ACTUALLY OFTEN VERY HELPFUL FOR US TO UNDERSTAND THE NATURE OF THE POINTS OF DISAGREEMENT. 
          UM, AND THEN ALSO JUST A REMINDER, EVEN THOUGH THE AD HOCS ARE FOCUSING ON SPECIFIC FRAMEWORKS, UM, ALL PC MEMBERS, UM, ARE CERTAINLY WELCOME TO PROVIDE COMMENT ON ALL THE FRAMEWORKS. 
          YOU CAN DO THAT EITHER USING A FORM OR THROUGH THE ONLINE PORTAL FOR PROVIDING FEEDBACK, WHICH I'LL SHOW YOU HERE IN A MINUTE. 
          UH, HERE'S JUST A REFRESHER OF WHAT THE FORM LOOKS LIKE. 
          UM, REMINDER OF THAT, THERE'S MANY OTHER, UH, MEETINGS GOING ON. 
          WE'RE NEAR THE TAIL END OF A SERIES OF MEETINGS WITH COMMISSIONS, COMMITTEES AND BOARDS, UM, THIS WEEK, AND THEN IN A COUPLE WEEKS, UM, WITH THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMITTEE. 
          AND THEN YOUR PROCESS IS PARALLELED BY A PROCESS WITH THE GENERAL PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WHICH IS ALSO REVIEWING ALL THE FRAMEWORKS AND COMPLETING FEEDBACK FORMS AS WELL. 
          WE HOPE TO WRAP ALL THIS UP BY THE END OF JUNE. 
          UM, ALL THE INFORMATION'S AVAILABLE ONLINE IN ADDITION TO THE FRAMEWORKS, UM, FOR THOSE WHERE WE'VE GIVEN PRESENTATIONS THAT WERE RECORDED. 
          WE'VE ALSO ADDED VIDEOS NOW TO THE WEBSITE WHERE YOU CAN DOWNLOAD THE FULL FRAMEWORKS, WATCH A SHORT VIDEO OVERVIEW, UM, OR READ A BRIEF, UH, INTRODUCTION OR OVERVIEW. 
          THERE'S ALSO THE ONLINE FORM THAT WE'RE INVITING PEOPLE TO PROVIDE COMMENT 
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ON. 
          UM, AND THAT'S IT FOR AN OVERVIEW. 
          IT'S A VERY SHORT AND BRIEF OVERVIEW. 
          WE GAVE YOU A MORE DETAILED PREVIEW, I THINK, WHEN WE LAST MET WITH YOU ON APRIL 29TH. 
          UM, BUT DID JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC, WANTED TO BRIEFLY TOUCH ON SOME KEY POINTS. 
          UM, SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND PROCEED WITH THE BRIEF INTRODUCTION TO THE GOVERNANCE AND SAFETY FRAMEWORKS. 
          I'LL KICK OFF WITH THE GOVERNANCE AND IMPLEMENTATION FRAMEWORK AND THEN HAND IT OFF TO, UH, OUR COLLEAGUES AT RINCON CONSULTANTS TO COVER THE SAFETY FRAMEWORK. 
          AND THEN, AS BRIAN MENTIONED, WE'LL PAUSE AT THAT POINT, UM, FOR COM, UH, QUESTIONS, PUBLIC COMMENT AND COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION. 
          AND ALSO JUST TO NOTE, WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THESE PRETTY QUICKLY TONIGHT, KNOWING THAT YOU'VE TAKEN PRETTY CLOSE LOOK AT MANY OF THEM. 
          UM, SO, UH, FORGIVE US IF WE MOVE QUICK, QUICKLY THROUGH THESE. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY. 
          UM, AS WE'VE DONE WITH ALL THE FRAMEWORKS DURING THESE PRESENTATIONS, WE START WITH, UH, FOUNDATIONS FOR EACH OF THEM, WHICH REALLY BOILED DOWN TO KEY FINDINGS FROM THE EXISTING CONDITIONS ANALYSIS WE ORIGINALLY DID. 
          PLUS, UM, THE DIRECTION WE RECEIVED FROM THE PUBLIC AS SUMMARIZED BY THE GPAC IN THE VISION PILLARS AND GUIDING PRINCIPLES. 
          AND ON THE SCREEN ARE JUST SOME KEY, MOST RELEVANT FINDINGS THAT INFORMED THE FRAMEWORK AS DEVELOPED. 
          UM, COUPLE HAVE TO DO WITH THEIR NOT BEING AS CLEAR AND EXPLICIT AS MIGHT BE HELPFUL PROCESS FOR POLICY MAKERS ON A REGULAR BASIS TO, UM, INFORM KEY DECISION MAKING, WHETHER IT'S THE ANNUAL GOALS AND POLICY SETTING PROCESS OR BUDGETING OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE WITH THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          AND SO, UM, THE FRAMEWORK ADDRESSES THAT. 
          UM, STAFF HAVE ALSO ALSO RAISED QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BEST AND MOST STRATEGIC USE OF COMMISSIONS, COMMITTEES AND BOARDS. 
          UM, AND LIKEWISE, A LOT OF, UH, THE CITY REALLY IS A LEADER IN COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. 
          AND SO THE FRAMEWORK SEEKS TO BUILD ON THAT LEGACY AND EXAMPLE THAT THE CITY IS FOR THE REGION. 
          UM, MANY OF THE DIFFERENT PILLARS, VISION ELEMENTS AND GUIDING PRINCIPLES SPEAK TO IMPLEMENTATION AND GOVERNANCES GOVERNANCE. 
          UM, NOT THE LEAST OF WHICH, UM, FROM A GOVERNANCE PERSPECTIVE IS RECOGNIZING THAT THE CITY IS ON UNSEATED LANDS OF THE COAST, MUAC PEOPLE, UM, THAT PART OF THE CITY, THE PEOPLE'S, THE RESIDENTS VISION FOR THEMSELVES IS, IS THAT THEY'RE VERY MUCH PART OF AND HAVE A STRONG PARTICIPATORY ROLE, UH, IN CITY GOVERNANCE. 
          UM, AND LIKEWISE, A KEY ELEMENT OF THE VISION IS THE CITY AND ITS RESIDENTS REALLY SEEING THEMSELVES AS LEADERS, UM, NOT JUST REGIONALLY, BUT STATEWIDE AND NATIONALLY. 
          UH, PERHAPS MOST IMPORTANTLY, THERE'S TWO OF THE FOUR PILLARS WHERE TOPICS ADDRESSED IN THIS FRAMEWORK ARE, ARE PRETTY FOUNDATIONAL. 
          ONE, HAVING TO DO WITH EQUITABLE ACCESS TO OPPORTUNITY, INCLUDING OPPORTUNITY TO INFLUENCE, UM, DECISION MAKING AT THE GOVERNMENT'S GOV, LOCAL GOVERNMENT LEVEL. 
          AND ALSO THIS STRONG EMPHASIS ON PARTIC PARTICIPATORY DECISION MAKING, TRANSPARENCY, PARTICIP PART PARTICIPATION IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT. 
          UM, AND THEN FINALLY, THERE'S SOME GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT SPEAK TO GOVERNANCE AND IMPLEMENTATION. 
          SOME OF THESE I REALIZED MAY NOT BE, UM, OBVIOUS ON THEIR FACE. 
          UM, NUMBER 11, THE ONE ABOUT, UM, UH, PRESERVING HERITAGE ACTUALLY HAS AN ACTION FOCUSED ON CULTURALLY SENSITIVE COMMUNICATION THAT'S NEEDED ON THE CITY'S PART. 
          LIKEWISE, 15. 
          UM, FOCUSING ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ALSO HAS A SUB PRINCIPLE FOCUSING SPECIFICALLY ON FISCAL HEALTH. 
          OKAY, THIS IS ONE OF THE SHORTER, MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD FRAMEWORKS ORGANIZED UNDER FOUR MAIN GOAL AREAS. 
          THE FIRST REALLY IS FOCUSED, UH, AND STARTS WITH A STRONG THRUST RELATED TO MAKING SURE THE GENERAL PLAN THIS TIME AROUND IS FULLY IMPLEMENTED. 
          A LOT OF WE HEAR IS THAT YOU'VE GOT A FANTASTIC GP 2025, BUT THE STRUGGLE HAS BEEN ACTUALLY MAKING THINGS HAPPEN. 
          AND SO, UM, GOVERNMENT GOAL AREA ONE VERY MUCH FOCUSES ON DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO ENSURE ROBUST IMPLEMENTATION. 
          GOAL TWO FOCUSES ON, UM, GOVERNANCE, UM, MAKING SURE LOCAL GOVERNMENT IS, IS REFLECTS, UH, THE RESIDENT'S, UM, TRUE DESIRES AND GOALS FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          THREE IS ABOUT THE CITY'S ROLE IN REGIONAL AND STATEWIDE GOVERNANCE AND LEADERSHIP. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, A GOAL ABOUT, UM, HOW TECHNOLOGY CAN SUPPORT LOCAL GOVERNMENT BRIEFLY ON IMPLEMENTING 
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THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          THE FIRST POLICY REALLY IS KIND OF AN OVERVIEW POLICY, WHICH SUMMARIZES THOSE THAT FOLLOW HERE. 
          AND THESE ARE BA THE BASIC REST FOR HOW WE ENVISION, UM, THE GENERAL PLAN BEING IMPLEMENTED. 
          FIRST, STARTING WITH A STATUS REPORT THAT PROVIDES BOTH AN UPDATE ON THE IMPLEMENTATION MATRIX THAT, UM, BRIAN ALLUDED TO EARLIER, AS WELL AS PERFORMANCE METRICS THAT WE'LL BE USING TO, TO, UM, MONITOR, UM, THE CITY'S PROGRESS TOWARDS ITS VISION AND GOALS. 
          UM, THOUGH THAT ANNUAL REPORT THEN WILL BE USED TO EXPLICITLY INFORM THE CITY COUNCIL'S ANNUAL GOAL AND PRIORITY SETTING PROCESS, AS WELL AS, UH, BUDGETS BOTH GENERAL FUND AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. 
          LIKEWISE, UM, UH, USED EXPLICITLY TO HELP THE VARIOUS, UH, COMMITTEES, COMMISSIONS, AND BOARDS AS THEY THINK ABOUT THEIR ANNUAL PRIORITIES. 
          HELP, HELP, UH, USE THE GENERAL PLAN TO, TO INFORM, UH, THEIR WORK PLAN DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, AND THIS IS REQUIRED BY STATE LAW, BUT THERE'S A, A GOAL, A POLICY THAT EXPLICITLY NOTES A FEW STEPS THAT NEED TO BE TAKEN TO ENSURE CONSISTENCY, UM, BOTH, UH, HORIZONTALLY AND VERTICALLY WITHIN CITY GOVERNMENT AND, AND CODE, UM, WITH THE ADOPTED GENERAL PLAN. 
          SECOND GOAL AREA IS REALLY AROUND TRANSPARENCY AND ENGAGEMENT. 
          UM, FOCUSES ON A BROAD RANGE OF THINGS, INCLUDING ACCESSIBILITY TO INFORMATION, UM, PROACTIVELY SOLICITING COMMUNITY FEEDBACK ON HOW WELL LOCAL GOVERNMENT IS DOING WITH ITS PROGRAMS AND SERVICES. 
          UM, STRENGTHENING, UH, THROUGH A VARIETY OF WAYS THE CCBS, UM, CONTINUE TO EXPAND CULTURAL AND LINGUISTIC ACCESS TO EVERYTHING, LOCAL GOVERNMENT. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY LEVERAGING PARTNERSHIPS WITH CBOS, UM, BEING PROACTIVE ABOUT ENGAGING THE PUBLIC AND AS OPPOSED TO MAKING FOLKS, UH, MAKE IT VERY EASY FOR THEM TO PARTICIPATE IN DECISION MAKING. 
          UM, AND THEN, UH, FINALLY, UH, JUST CONTINUE AND EXPAND ON THE CITY'S CURRENT EQUITY, UM, ORIENTED INITIATIVES, BOTH WITHIN LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND IN PARTNERSHIP WITH COMMUNITY-BASED ORGANIZATIONS. 
          UM, A FEW GOAL POLICIES ON UNDER THE REGIONAL LEADERSHIP GOAL. 
          ONE FOCUSED ON ADVOCACY BOTH AT THE STATE AND FEDERAL LEVELS. 
          UM, SECOND ON REGIONAL COLLABORATION. 
          AND FINALLY, UM, AND THERE IS, THIS APPEARS A FEW IN A FEW DIFFERENT FRAMEWORKS. 
          UM, THE PROACTIVE, UM, STRENGTHENING AND BUILDING OF RELATIONS WITH LOCAL COAST ME WALK, UH, COMMUNITY, UM, AND NATIONS. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, UM, A GOAL ON A GOAL GOAL ON, UH, TECHNOLOGY. 
          SPECIFICALLY, THERE'S A NUMBER OF IDEAS IN THIS GOAL AREA. 
          SOME ON EXPANDING, UM, THE CITY'S EXISTING DIGITAL OFFERINGS, INCLUDING GEOGRAPHIC INFORMATION SYSTEMS, OPEN DATA, ET CETERA. 
          UM, EXPANDING DATA SHARING AS HELPFUL WITH PARTNERS, UM, AS NEW COMMUNICATION TOOLS ARE MADE AVAILABLE, CONTINUE TO LEVERAGE THOSE AND USED AS BEST WE CAN TO, UH, MAKE EVERYBODY AWARE OF EVERYTHING GOING ON WITH THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT. 
          UM, USE SOME OF THOSE SAME TOOLS TO EXPAND ACCESS TO LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND PARTICIPATION IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, THERE'S, UH, YOU KNOW, AN EMERGING ARRAY OF SMART CITY TOOLS THAT CITIES ARE BEGINNING TO USE, UM, THAT WITH APPROPRIATE CON UH, UM, UH, MEASURES TAKEN TO ADDRESS PRIVACY, UM, AND OTHER ISSUES, UM, ADOPT AS APPROPRIATE SOME OF THOSE SMART CITIES TOOLS TO ADVANCE, UM, CITY GOVERNMENTS AND CONVENIENCE FOR FOLKS. 
          THAT IS IT FOR THE GOVERNANCE AND IMPLEMENTATION OVERVIEW AT THIS POINT. 
          I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO MY COLLEAGUES AT RINCON, WHO HAVE JOINED US BY ZOOM TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE SAFETY POLICY FRAMEWORK. 
          YEAH, THANK YOU RON. 
          UH, I'M DELLA COSTA. 
          I'M A SENIOR PROJECT MANAGER WITH RANCON CONSULTANTS, AND AS RON SAID, I'LL BE GUIDING YOU THROUGH THE SAFETY POLICY FRAMEWORK. 
          THIS FRAMEWORK'S REALLY DESIGNED TO REDUCE RISKS FROM BOTH NATURAL AND MANMADE HAZARDS, AND IT ALIGNS WITH SEVERAL REGIONAL AND STATE REQUIREMENTS. 
          AND I'LL NOTE THAT THERE IS ALSO A SEPARATE FRAMEWORK FOR FLOOD RESILIENCE. 
          SO WHILE WE DO TOUCH ON FLOODING AND SAFETY, THE FLOOD RESILIENCE FRAMEWORK HAS A LOT MORE DETAIL IN THAT REGARD. 
          UM, AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW, PETALUMA FACES A VARIETY OF NATURAL AND MANMADE HAZARDS, MANY OF WHICH ARE EXPECTED TO WORSEN WITH CLIMATE CHANGE. 
          SEISMIC ACTIVITY IS ALWAYS A SIGNIFICANT RISK IN THE REGION, AND HEAVY RAIN EVENTS CAN LEAD TO MORE FLOODING IN THE FUTURE, PARTICULARLY IN AREAS LIKE THE BACKSIDE 
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OF INDUSTRIAL AVENUE AND THE PAY NEIGHBORHOODS, BOTH OF WHICH HAVE HISTORICAL FLOODING ISSUES. 
          WE ALSO HAVE HIGH FIRED HAZARD ZONES NEAR THE CITY, ESPECIALLY AROUND THE WILD AND URBAN INTERFACE, OR THE LOUIS AND THE DOWNTOWN AND SOUTHWEST AREAS ARE SUSCEPTIBLE TO MULTIPLE HAZARDS LIKE FLOODING, SEA LEVEL RISE, SEISMIC ACTIVITY, AND FIRE. 
          THERE ARE FOR MANMADE HAZARDS. 
          THERE ARE CURRENTLY 20 ACTIVE HAZARDOUS MATERIAL SITES IN THE CITY. 
          MOST ARE CONCENTRATED IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, AND MANY OF THESE ARE LEAKING UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANK CLEANUP SITES. 
          THERE IS ONE PREVIOUS SUPERFUND SITE ALONG HIGHWAY ONE 16 NOW NEAR SOUTH MCDOWELL, WHICH WAS REMOVED FROM THE SUPERFUND LIST BY THE EAA FOLLOWING ITS CLEANUP. 
          AND THAT SITE WAS FORMALLY OCCUPIED BY SO OPTICS, USA, AND HAD GROUNDWATER CONTAMINANTS WITH VOLATILE ORGANIC COMPOUNDS AND SOLVENTS, ALTHOUGH REITERATING THAT THAT HAS BEEN CLEANED UP AND REMOVED FROM THE LIST. 
          TAKING A CLOSER LOOK AT WILDFIRE, PETALUMA IS PRETTY MUCH ENTIRELY SURROUNDED BY AREAS OF MODERATE OR HIGH FIRE HAZARD SEVERITY ZONES. 
          MUCH OF THE AREA IN THE WILDLAND URBAN INTERFACE WITHIN THE CITY ARE ALSO RESIDENTIAL AREAS THAT ARE NEAR ORIENTED FIRE PRONE VEGETATION. 
          UM, AS OF THIS LAST YEAR'S CAL FIRE MAP UPDATE, AND THOSE ARE CONSIDERED VERY HIGH FIRE RISK. 
          NOT SURPRISINGLY, PETALUMA IS ALSO IN AN AREA OF SEISMIC RISK. 
          THE EASTERN AND SOUTHEASTERN AREAS OF THE CITY WILL BE, WOULD BE MOST IMPACTED BY GROUND SHAKING IF THERE'S A SEVERE EARTHQUAKE. 
          AND MOST OF PETALUMA IS MODERATELY SUSCEPTIBLE TO LANDSLIDES WITH THE HILLS IN THE NORTHEAST AND THE SOUTHEAST HAVING HISTORICALLY MORE LANDSLIDE ISSUES. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE, CLIMATE CHANGE PATTERNS WILL BRING LARGER FLUCTUATIONS TO MANY OF THESE OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL DECADES. 
          SO, WARMER, DRIER SUMMERS, HIGH WIND EVENTS, INCREASED VEGETATION GROWTH, GREAT CONDITIONS THAT WILL INCREASE THE RISK OF WILDFIRES. 
          MORE EXTREME HEAT DAYS ARE EXPECTED IN THE CITY, AND ALONG WITH THE CHANGING PRECIPITATION PATTERNS, THE THAT HEAT CAN CAUSE PERIODS OF ABNORMALLY DRY WEATHER LEADING TO DROUGHTS AND FIRE RISK. 
          THERE'S EXPECTED TO BE LARGE FLUCTUATIONS IN THOSE PRECIPITATION PATTERNS WITH VERY WET YEARS AND VERY DRY YEARS. 
          AND BOOM, TO BUST. 
          RAINFALL PATTERNS WILL ALSO MAKE WILDFIRES MORE LIKELY AND INCREASE THE OCCURRENCE OF SO-CALLED ATMOSPHERIC RIVERS THAT CAN BRING UP TO 50% OF THE REGIONS RAINFALL OVER THE COURSE OF JUST A FEW DAYS. 
          B, RISING SEA LEVELS CAN ALSO LEAD TO A HIGHER GROUNDWATER TABLE AND INCREASED STORMWATER, STORMWATER FLOODING AS THE HIGHER BAY LEVELS IMPEDED STORMWATER RUNOFF DRAINAGE. 
          MOVING ON TO EMERGENCY RESPONSE, THE PETALUMA FIRE DEPARTMENT SERVES 184 SQUARE MILES AND 70,000 RESIDENTS, INCLUDING PARTS OF SOUTHERN SONOMA AND MARIN COUNTY. 
          THE CITY HAS THREE FIRE STATIONS AND TWO VOLUNTEER STATIONS OFFERING RESOURCES INCLUDE WEED ABATEMENT AND WILDFIRE DISASTER LOANS. 
          AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OPERATES TWO STATIONS, THE MAIN DEPARTMENT AND THE ANNEX SUBSTATION AT  VALLEY VALLEY HOSPITAL. 
          UH, SIMILAR TO GOVERNANCE, THESE FRAMEWORKS WERE DEVELOPED IN LINE WITH THE VISION AND GUIDING PRINCIPLES. 
          LET'S STICK HERE TO, ESPECIALLY TO ACHIEVE CARBON NEUTRALITY BY 2030 AND EQUITABLY. 
          FOSTER A SUSTAINABLE AND RESILIENT COMMUNITY, ENSURE THE HEALTH AND WELLNESS OF RESIDENTS AND ENSURE INFRASTRUCTURE SUPPORTS INFILL DEVELOPMENT AND ADDRESSES THE IMPACTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE. 
          AND THE SAFETY FRAMEWORK IS ALSO SUPPORTED BY THE PILLARS, CLIMATE ACTION, RESILIENCE AND SUSTAINABILITY, AND EQUITY, JUSTICE AND DEMOGRAPHIC CHANGES FOR THE GOALS AND POLICIES. 
          IN THIS FRAMEWORK, THEY ARE FOCUSED ON ENSURING EFFECTIVE TOOLS, GUIDANCE, AND SERVICES TO PROTECT THE COMMUNITY FROM HAZARDS AND IMPROVING THE RESILIENCE OF BUILDINGS, INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND EACH GOAL, LIKE THE GOVERNANCE ONE, EACH GOAL UNDER EACH FRAME, UNDER EACH GOAL IN THE FRAMEWORK IS SUPPORTED BY POLICIES AIMED AT SUPPORTING THAT GOAL. 
          SO FIRST, WE HAVE EMERGENCY GUIDANCE AND TOOLS, WHICH IS FOCUSED ON KEEPING 
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EMERGENCY OPERATIONS PLANS AND OTHER RELATED PLANS UP TO DATE, PREPARING THE COMMUNITY FOR EMERGENCIES. 
          SO, UH, COMMUNITY DRIVEN RESILIENCE AND LOOKING FOR FUNDING FOR IMPROVED EMERGENCY OPERATIONS. 
          SECOND GOAL IS HIGH QUALITY EMERGENCY SERVICES, MAINTAINING A QUALITY EMERGENCY RESPONSE RATE, AND ISO RATING, PROVIDING ADEQUATE EMS SERVICES, UH, EDUCATING THE PUBLIC TO REDUCE RISK AND MAINTAINING THE MUTUAL AID AGREEMENTS THAT ARE IN PLACE. 
          THIRD GOAL ON RESPONSIVE PUBLIC SAFETY SERVICES. 
          UH, REALLY FOCUSED ON STAFFING AND CRIME PREVENTION PROGRAMS, PUBLIC SAFETY RECOMMENDATIONS, THE USE OF, UH, CRIME PREVENTION THROUGH ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN, PROVIDING ADEQUATE POLICE RESPONSE AND OPERATIONS MANAGEMENT, UM, LOOKING INTO A CRIME ANALYSIS UNIT AND ENGAGING WITH THE COMMUNITY COMMUNITY ON POLICING. 
          UH, GOAL FOUR IS AROUND EVACUATION, SO ENSURING THAT SINGLE ACCESS NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, AND OTHER AREAS ARE READY FOR EVACUATION AND KNOW THEIR EVACUATION ROUTES. 
          AND THIS IS TIED INTO THE EVACUATION ANALYSIS THAT IS BEING DONE. 
          AND GOAL FIVE IS CRITICAL FACILITIES RESILIENCY, MAKING SURE RESOURCE CENTERS AND CRITICAL FACILITIES ARE RESILIENT AGAINST HAZARDS, UM, HAVING INTER-JURISDICTIONAL EVACUATION PLANS AND MULTI HAZAR SCENARIO PREPARATION. 
          AND, UM, THAT PUBLIC SERVICES CAN CONTINUE DURING EMERGENCIES. 
          WELL, SIX IS SPECIFICALLY ON CLIMATE RESILIENCE. 
          UM, UPDATING THE CLIMATE RESILIENCY PLANS CONSIDERING, UH, CLIMATE IN UPDATED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND MAKING SURE THAT BUILDINGS ARE, UH, PREPARED FOR CLIMATE CHANGE. 
          UM, AND THEN WE GO A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO EACH ONE OF THE HAZARDS. 
          SO BRIDGE DROUGHT, UPDATING THE URBAN WATER MANAGEMENT PLAN AND INCREASING WATER EFFICIENCY DURING DROUGHT. 
          WILDFIRE RISK MANAGEMENT FOR GOAL EIGHT, FIRE RESPONSIBLE COORDINATION, FIRE PROTECTION PROGRAMS, FUEL MANAGEMENT LANDS, UH, MINIMIZING THAT RISK IN THE WILD UNDER URBAN INTERFACE AND PROMOTING SAFER DEVELOPMENT AROUND WILDFIRE. 
          EARTHQUAKE FOR GOAL NINE IS REDUCING SEISMIC RISK FOR CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE AND LOOKING, UH, CONSIDERING GEOTECHNICAL INFORMATION WHEN DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS ARE PUT IN. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, HAZARDOUS MATERIAL MANAGEMENT. 
          SO MAINTAINING THE STANDARDS AROUND HAZARDOUS MATERIAL, UH, HANDLING AND RESPONSE, PROMOTING SAFE TRANSPORT OF HAZARDOUS MATERIALS, UPDATING THE RESOURCES, UH, FOR THE COMMUNITY SO THEY UNDERSTAND THE RISKS AND HOW TO DISPOSE OF HOUSEHOLD HAZARDS, UH, REDUCING THE USE OF THOSE HOUSEHOLD HAZARDS AND TOXIC MATERIALS, AND THEN ENSURING STATE REMEDIATION. 
          SO THAT ENDS, UH, PART ONE OF OUR PRESENTATIONS, THE TWO FOR THE TWO FRAMEWORKS THAT, UM, WE'RE NOT THE FOCUS OF AN AD HOC GROUP. 
          SO PAUSE AT THIS POINT, I THINK FOR ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THEN I THINK PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN COMMENT FROM COMMISSIONERS. 
          UM, WELL, I'LL START OVER WITH OUR COUNCIL LIAISON, COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW, BUT I DO HAVE A, A COMMENT WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE FIRE AREA, SO LIKE A LOT OF THE WETLANDS ARE INCLUDED IN THAT. 
          SO WOULD THAT JUST BE, I'M JUST CURIOUS WHY THAT'S INCLUDED THE WETLANDS FOR, YOU KNOW, FIRE HAZARD, IS IT BECAUSE IT CONNECTS TO AREAS THAT ARE HILLY AND FIRE, THAT'S MOST LIKELY THE CASE. 
          I WILL SAY THAT THE FIRE MAPS ARE UPDATED AND PROVIDED BY CAL FIRE, SO USE THE CAL FIRE MAPPING. 
          OKAY, THANKS DARREN. 
          UH, YEAH, JUST TWO QUESTIONS. 
          THE FIRST ONE, REGARDING, UH, THE ITEM ABOUT SMART CITIES, I DID NOTICE THE CAVEAT IN THERE OF ENSURING, LOOK, WE'RE GONNA TEST THIS IN SMALL AREAS. 
          UM, I GUESS WHEN YOU LOOK AT OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE DONE THAT, HAVE, WHAT ARE THE, THE OUTCOMES THAT WE THINK, OR WHAT DOES SUCCESS LOOK LIKE? I MEAN, WHAT ARE THOSE SYSTEMS GIVING US THAT? 'CAUSE UH, MY HOMETOWN IS BALTIMORE, MARYLAND. 
          THEY'RE A CITY THAT'S DONE A LOT WITH THE SMART CITY. 
          IT'S BEEN A MASSIVE CAPITAL INVESTMENT WITHOUT A TON OF APPARENT RETURN YET. 
          UM, SO I'M JUST WONDERING, 
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WHEN WE LOOK AT THE SMART CITY TECHNOLOGY AND FRAMEWORKS, UM, HOW CONFIDENT ARE WE IN OUTCOMES OR WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? AND I, I DON'T WANNA GET TOO DETAIL ORIENTED FOR A VERY BROAD EXERCISE, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THERE, THERE, WE DIDN'T HAVE A HUGE AMOUNT OF DISCUSSION SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THIS WITH CITY STAFF. 
          IT'S JUST THAT IT'S, IT'S AN EMERGING TECHNOLOGY. 
          UM, IT'S VERY LIKELY IN THE PLANNING HORIZON THAT CERTAIN CITY AGENCIES MAY REQUEST USE OF SOME TECHNOLOGIES. 
          IT JUST, WE WANTED TO GET AHEAD OF THE, UM, THE CURVE, JUST START THE CONVERSATION WITHIN THE CITY VIA THE GP SO THAT IT, YOU KNOW, AS DESIRED, IT CAN, CAN THINK ABOUT THE TOUGHER ISSUES AROUND PRI PRIVACY EQUITY AND HOW THE, AND WHO OWNS AND CONTROLS THE DATA, UM, AND THEN BE PROACTIVE ABOUT HOW IT MIGHT WANT TO USE IT AND OR LIMIT ITS USE DEPENDING ON THE OUTCOMES OF A BROADER COMMUNITY CONVERSATION. 
          SO THEY'RE REALLY BROAD AS, YOU KNOW, LIKE IT CAN BE EVERYTHING FROM, LIKE, I THINK CINDY SAN DIEGO IS ONE OF THE STATE EXAMPLES THAT'S REALLY TACKLED IT PRETTY ROBUSTLY, UM, WHERE THEY HAVE MONITORS ALL OVER THE PLACE DOING EVERYTHING FROM, IN REAL TIME TR MONITORING TRAFFIC TO USE OF PUBLIC TRANSIT TO, UM, YOU KNOW, BROKEN, UM, STREETLIGHTS, EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, CAN DO A WHOLE RANGE OF THINGS WITH THIS. 
          IT'S REALLY A FUNCTION OF WHAT'S THE MOST COST, COST EFFECTIVE, UM, OUTCOME THAT THE CITY AND ITS RESIDENTS ARE AFTER. 
          UM, AND IT'S GONNA VARY BY CITY SIZE. 
          AND SO, YEAH, I DON'T HAVE A REALLY DETAILED ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION. 
          WANTED TO JUST PUT IT IN THERE SINCE THERE ARE A WHOLE SUITE OF EMERGING TECHNOLOGIES AND IT'S, IT'S, IT, IT MERITS SOME CONVERSATION. 
          SO, YEAH, NO, I, I APPRECIATE THAT CONTEXT. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER PIECE, THIS IS KIND OF A GENERAL QUESTION ABOUT THE SAFETY FRAMEWORK. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT IN THERE I LIKED WHENEVER I SEE PERCENTAGES RELATED TO OUR, OUR POLICY GOALS OR WHENEVER I SEE, UH, SPECIFIC REFERENCES IN THERE. 
          AND, AND I DON'T HAVE IT RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT THERE WAS REFERENCES TO, YOU KNOW, ONGOING PLANS THAT BY LAW ARE REQUIRED TO BE UPDATED EVERY YEAR. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA KEEP UPDATING THEM. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT WAS SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S UNIQUE TO THAT FRAMEWORK, BUT THERE WERE TIMES IN EXAMINING OTHER FRAMEWORKS WHERE I WISHED WE HAD HAD SOME OF THAT, SOME MAYBE CALLBACKS TO ONGOING PLANS A LITTLE BIT MORE ROBUSTLY OR SOME PERCENTAGE GOALS OF ADOPTION OR, YOU KNOW, KIND OF GAUGING SUCCESS. 
          SO CAN YOU JUST TALK ABOUT MAYBE WHY SAFETY HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THAT APPROACH? IT COULD JUST BE, HEY, A DIFFERENT TEAM WROTE IT, OR IF THERE WAS SOMETHING ABOUT SAFETY THAT MADE US TAKE THAT APPROACH. 
          'CAUSE I KNOW YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THAT PHILOSOPHY OF DECIDING HOW TO SET GOALS AND POLICIES. 
          I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT. 
          CAN, CAN YOU GIMME, SHOW ME WHICH AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO THAT YOU WOULD WAS DIFFERENT ABOUT SAFETY? THAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA. 
          LEMME PULL UP MY COPY OF SAFETY RIGHT NOW. 
          AND I KNOW ONE OF THEM WAS 75% OF CITY FACILITIES HAVING A RETROFIT, WHICH AGAIN, WHENEVER I SEE A PERCENTAGE GOAL, I THOUGHT THAT THAT'S, THAT KIND OF STOOD OUT TO ME BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN BE HESITANT TO DO AND THE FRAMEWORKS SET A SPECIFIC GOAL, UM, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT HOW WE'RE MANAGING POLICY. 
          SORRY, DID YOU GIMME A SPECIFIC GOAL NUMBER OR ARE YOU LOOKING FOR IT? YES, I, I HAVE IT IN MY NOTES, BUT FOR SOME REASON, OF COURSE NOW I'M NOT FINDING IT. 
          WHY DON'T I LET OTHER PEOPLE COMMENT AND THEN I'LL COME BACK AND GIVE A COUPLE EXAMPLES OF THAT. 
          UM, AGAIN, JUST TO SEE IF THERE WAS SOMETHING UNIQUE ABOUT SAFETY OR IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN KIND OF PUT INTO OTHER, UH, FRAMEWORKS AS WELL. 
          BUT FOR NOW, I'LL JUST PASS IT TO, I MIGHT, YEAH, SORRY, I MIGHT BE ABLE TO JUST QUICKLY, UM, PROVIDE SOME INPUT ON THAT. 
          I THINK PART OF IT WAS THAT RANKON WROTE THE SAFETY FRAMEWORK, SO IT COULD BE OUR TEAM, BUT I WILL ALSO SAY THAT AGAIN, A LOT OF THESE TIE INTO REGIONAL AND STATE, UH, EITHER REQUIREMENTS OR BEST PRACTICES. 
          SO IT COULD HAVE BEEN THAT IN SOME OF THESE AREAS WE HAD MORE GUIDANCE FROM THE STATE ON WHAT THEY WOULD BE EXPECTING. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT COULD BE EXACTLY THE, THE ANSWER I WAS LOOKING FOR. 
          SO THANK YOU, HEIDI. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIR. 
          UM, IS THIS THE TIME TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT WATER, OR IS THAT COMING IN A SEPARATE, LIKE, INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, PRESENTATION? IT'S IN PART TWO OF TONIGHT'S MEETING. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I'M GONNA WAIT ON THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          NOTHING, THANKS. 
          UH, ROGER. 
          JESSICA? YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, THE GOVERNANCE AND IMPLEMENTATION FRAMEWORK, WHICH I THINK IS A SLEEPER IN TERMS OF LIKE HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO REALLY GET THIS STUFF DONE. 
          SO I'M CURIOUS IF YOU COULD SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT LIKE THE, THE TEETH. 
          UM, AND I SEE A LOT IN HERE ABOUT TRANSPARENCY, WHICH IS OF COURSE IMPORTANT, BUT WE CAN ALSO GET BOGGED DOWN IN MEETINGS ABOUT 
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YEAH, I WAS JUST SAYING THAT WE CAN, WE CAN GET BOGGED DOWN IN SORT OF MEETINGS ABOUT MEETINGS AND I'M SEEING, YOU KNOW, UPDATES EVERY TWO YEARS AND LIKE, IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE WE CAN REALLY GET ALL THAT MUCH DONE IF WE'RE CHECKING IN EVERY TWO YEARS. 
          SO I'M CURIOUS IF YOU COULD SPEAK MORE, UM, ABOUT THE, THE IMPLEMENTATION TEETH. 
          UH, CAN YOU EXPLAIN A BIT MORE WHAT YOU MEAN BY TEETH? I GUESS ACCOUNTABILITY WOULD BE THE NICE WAY OF SAYING IT. 
          UH, ULT WELL, MY PLANNERS WILL, WILL HAVE DIFFERENT PHILOSOPHICAL PERSPECTIVES ON THAT QUESTION. 
          MINE IS THAT COUNCIL IS IS THE POLICY MAKING BODY, AND IT IT IS ACCOUNTABLE TO THE PUBLIC VIA ELECTIONS. 
          IT ADOPTS THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          AND IN DOING SO, CERTAIN ASPECTS OF THE GENERAL PLAN MUST BE, UH, FUTURE DECISIONS MUST BE CONSISTENT WITH THEM FOR LAND USE AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT SPECIFICALLY. 
          BUT THERE, BUT THERE AREN'T MANY OTHER GOALS, POLICIES OR ACTIONS THAT ARE MANDATORY IN THE SENSE, AND DYLAN MAY HAVE A PERSPECTIVE ON THIS TOO. 
          WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT IN THE PAST. 
          UM, SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THINGS IN THE GENERAL PLAN, THEY'RE GONNA FORCE FUTURE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS OR OTHERS TO DO THINGS. 
          I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA FIND A LOT OF THAT TYPE OF EXPLICIT LANGUAGE AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION CORRECTLY. 
          YEAH, I MEAN, THAT'S CERTAINLY PART OF IT. 
          I AM CURIOUS ABOUT THE SORT OF RESILIENCY OF THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          THERE'S OBVIOUSLY BEEN A TON OF EFFORT BOTH BY STAFF AND THE COMMUNITY TO PUSH THIS THROUGH OVER AS WE KEEP SEEING THIS YEAR'S LONG PROCESS. 
          UM, AND I THINK THIS GOVERNANCE AND IMPLEMENTATION IS GOING TO BE IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT ACTUALLY FOLLOWS THROUGH OVER THE ENSUING 20 YEARS. 
          WELL, AND THAT, THAT'S EXACTLY THE INTENT. 
          AND, AND WHY WE PUT GOAL ONE UP FRONT AND CENTER IS TO THE, THE, THE, IN OUR, MY EXPERIENCE, THE KEY DECISION MAKING STEPS ARE THOSE THAT THE IN, IN THE CITY OF PETALUMA ARE DONE ANNUALLY THROUGH THE COUNCIL'S GOAL AND, UH, PRIORITY SETTING PROCESS, WHICH IS WHY THE, THE IN UNDER GOAL ONE, WE EXPLICITLY SAY, HEY, LET'S MAKE SURE WE PREPARE AN IMPLEMENTATION STATUS UPDATE IN TIME TO INFORM THAT. 
          SO THAT STAFF THEN GIVE, GIVE THAT TO COUNCIL AS PART OF THE, THE MEETING PACKET FOR THE GOALS AND PRIORITIES MEETINGS, SO THEY CLEARLY UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE AT AND GIVE 'EM A SENSE OF LIKE WHERE WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS, WHERE WE'RE NOT, WHY, SO THAT THEY CAN USE THAT TO INFORM THEIR PRIORITY AND GOAL SETTING. 
          SAME OR VERY, VERY SIMILAR PROCESS FOR BUDGETING. 
          I MEAN, ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE'S DEMONSTRATION, THE COMMUNITY'S DEMONSTRATION OF THEIR VALUES IS, IS ULTIMATELY IN MANY WAYS THROUGH THE BUDGET. 
          AND SO IF WE CAN INFORM BOTH CAPITAL BUDGETING AND GENERAL FUND BUDGETING ON NOW BASIS BASED ON HOW WELL THE, THE GOALS IN THE GENERAL PLAN AND HOW WELL WE'RE ACHIEVING THEM, I THINK IS GOING A LONG WAY. 
          UM, I I SUSPECT THAT DOESN'T FULLY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION EITHER, BUT, BUT THAT'S THE IN THE INTENT HERE. 
          SO DARREN, DID YOU HAVE THE EXAMPLES YOU WERE LOOKING FOR? YOU KNOW, I DID FIND THEM AND REALLY, UM, FROM OUR, OUR CONSULTANTS AT RING CON'S ANSWER, THIS MIGHT BE MOST APPROPRIATE FOR COMMENTS 'CAUSE I THINK I'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THINGS I LIKE, SO I'LL SAVE IT FOR . 
          FAIR ENOUGH. 
          OH, I TAKE IT YOU'D RATHER WE GO THROUGH QUESTIONS NOW, GO THROUGH THE REST OF THE PRESENTATION AND THEN GET TO COMMENTS. 
          RIGHT. 
          I I THINK THE WAY WE STRUCTURED IT IS, WE'LL FOR THESE TWO, THESE FIRST TWO FRAMEWORKS, GOVERNANCE AND SAFETY, WE'LL DO QUESTIONS, TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN HAVE COMMISSIONER COMMENT. 
          THEN WE'LL PRESENT ON THE OTHER THREE FRAMEWORKS THAT THE AD HOC SPECIFICALLY FOCUSED ON. 
          AND THEN DO SIMILAR QUESTIONS, PUBLIC COMMENT, THEN COMMISSIONER COMMENT. 
          THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. 
          PERFECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, THE ONE QUESTION I HAD, AND THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR FORGIVING MY TARDINESS, THERE WAS AN ACCIDENT ON THE 80 THAT SLOWED US ALL DOWN ON THE WAY BACK HERE. 
          UM, I, I WAS INCREDIBLY HAPPY TO SEE THE UPDATED CAL FIRE MAPS WEAVED INTO THIS. 
          THOSE MAPS ARE SOMETHING CAL FIRE HAS PROMISED FOR YEARS, BUT IT'S TAKEN TIME AND TIME AGAIN. 
          UH, NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT, BUT NOT SURPRISED TO SEE THE LEVEL OF RISKS SURROUNDING PETALUMA. 
          HOW, HOW MUCH OF THAT CONCERN HAS GONE INTO THE CORRESPONDING FRAMEWORK WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE SO FAR? UH, DELL, I HAVE SOME THOUGHTS, BUT BEFORE I DO ANY, ANY RESPONSE TO THAT QUESTION, UM, WE, I WILL SAY THAT WE RECEIVED THE UPDATED MAPS 
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NEAR THE END OF CREATING A FRAMEWORK, BUT WE DID GO BACK THROUGH AND MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE, WE WERE BEING CONSISTENT WITH THE UPDATED MAPS IN THE POLICY. 
          I DO THINK THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL POLICIES THAT CAN AND SHOULD BE ADDED THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS THOUGH. 
          AND THEN, UM, AS WE, I THINK NOTED A BIT WHEN WE PRESENTED SOME OF OUR INITIAL THOUGHTS ON THE LAND USE ALTERNATIVES, WE CERTAINLY LOOKED AT THE WILDFIRE MAP AS WELL AS OTHER HAZARD MAPS WHEN THINKING ABOUT KIND OF WHAT IS THE APPROPRIATE, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT ENVELOPE IN WHICH WE SHOULD BE THINKING. 
          UM, AND SO IT CERTAINLY INFORMED OUR THOUGHT ABOUT, UH, AS WELL AS ALL THE HAZARDS ABOUT WHAT, WHAT THE NATURE OF FUTURE SETTLEMENT SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T BE IN CERTAIN AREAS BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT WILDFIRE AND OTHER HAZARDS. 
          DID WERE YOU CURIOUS ABOUT A PARTICULAR POLICY FRAMEWORK THAT YOU WOULD HOPE WOULD BE INFLUENCED BY THOSE WILDFIRE MAPS? I MEAN, I, I'M MOSTLY, I'M WONDERING HOW THIS IS GONNA FACTOR INTO ONGOING VEGETATION MANAGEMENT, ONGOING MAINTENANCE FOR SOME OF OUR OLDER STRUCTURES, KIND OF THE, THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF KEEPING A WHILE A GRASS FIRE FROM SPREADING INTO AT LEAST HALF OF THE TOWN THAT'S QUITE OLD AND POORLY MAINTAINED WHEN IT COMES TO VEGETATION AND SHRUBBERY AND ROOF LINES. 
          DELL, I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S IN THE SAFETY FRAMEWORK. 
          SO DO YOU WANNA JUST BRIEFLY TOUCH ON SOME OF THE WILDFIRE RELATED POLICIES AND ACTIONS? YEAH, FOR SURE. 
          UNDER, UM, GOAL EIGHT, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF POLICIES THAT INCLUDE VEG, VEGETATION REDUCTION, WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY TO REDUCE FUELS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, UM, REDUCE FLAMMABLE VEGETATION, UH, HAVE REQUIREMENTS AND CODE ENFORCEMENT FOR CLEARANCE TO MAINTAIN THE, THAT DEFENSIBLE SPACE. 
          UM, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A POLICY FOR CREATING A FUEL MANAGEMENT PLAN TO ALSO ASSIST WITH THAT FROM THE CITY SIDE. 
          JUST ADD, UH, JUST A SHORT STATEMENT TO THAT TOO. 
          UM, I, OUR FIRE MARSHAL ISN'T HERE TODAY, UM, OR CODE ENFORCEMENT, BUT, UM, IT'S ANOTHER TOOL AND, YOU KNOW, ADDED TO THE TOOLBOX. 
          SO, UM, IN TERMS OF PRIORITIZING, UM, FROM A FIRE PREVENTION PERSPECTIVE, UM, IT JUST GIVES US THAT MUCH MORE VALUABLE INFORMATION ON WHERE TO PRIORITIZE RESOURCES. 
          UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY BEING, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL THE GREAT THINGS ABOUT SONOMA COUNTY, I THINK WE ALL KNOW TOO WELL, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN LUCKY IN RECENT YEARS, BUT, UM, WILDFIRES STILL, YOU KNOW, VERY MUCH PART OF THE CONVERSATION WHEN IT COMES TO RESILIENCE AND, UM, AND SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, UP THERE WITH SEISMIC, UM, MM-HMM. 
           PREPARATION. 
          AND SO WE'RE FORTUNATE WE JUST EXPANDED OUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, UM, DIVISION WITHIN OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT. 
          UM, AND SO WE JUST, AGAIN, ADDED RESOURCES TO KEEP OUR COMMUNITY SAFE AND HEALTHY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WELL, THAT'S THE END OF MY QUESTIONS. 
          ANYBODY ELSE BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT? ALL RIGHT, UH, QUICK QUESTION FOR FOLKS WHO ARE HERE. 
          IS ANYBODY HERE TO GIVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM? ALRIGHT, SO I, I THINK WE WILL GO, I WILL ASK IF WE HAD ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ONLINE PRIOR TO THIS MEETING ON THIS ITEM. 
          WE RECEIVED, UH, TWO PUBLIC COMMENTS PRIOR TO THIS MEETING FOR THE SPECIFIC ITEM. 
          UH, THEY'VE BEEN PUBLISHED ONLINE OR, AND ARE AVAILABLE IN THE BACK FOR VIEWING. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND WITH THAT, I'LL GO INTO COMMISSIONER COMMENT SINCE WE STARTED ON THIS SIDE. 
          START WITH JESSICA. 
          NOTHING FROM ME, ROGER. 
          NO COMMENT. 
          HEIDI. 
          NO COMMENT. 
          DARREN. 
          OKAY. 
          TO GO BACK TO MY EXAMPLES IN THE SAFETY FRAMEWORK REALLY QUICK, UH, THIS IS UNDER GOAL. 
          SA F1, AND YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING BECAUSE WE WERE SWIMMING A LOT IN OTHER FRAMEWORKS, THERE WERE THINGS I PICKED UP HERE THAT I LIKED. 
          UH, AND ONE OF THEM IS THAT FIRST POLICY SAF 1.1, YOU KNOW, IT GIVES SPECIFIC REFERENCE TO, YOU KNOW, AN EMERGENCY OPERATIONS PLAN THAT CONFORMS THE CALIFORNIA EMERGENCY SERVICES ACT INCOME IN COLLABORATION WITH OTHER PARTNERS THAT TIE DOWN TO AN EXTENT DOCUMENT THAT KIND OF GIVES IT ENOUGH SPECIFICITY BUT LEAVES IT LOOSE. 
          LIKE WE'RE NOT SAYING EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO, BUT THAT WILL COMPORT WITH THIS EXISTING REGULATORY BODIES DOCUMENT. 
          I REALLY LIKED THAT. 
          AND IN INFRASTRUCTURE, IT WAS ONE OF THE MAIN DISCUSSION POINTS WE CALL OUT. 
          UM, AND ACTUALLY WE WERE LUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE SANDY POTTER KIND OF COLLABORATE WITH US ON THAT, AND SHE KEPT REFERENCING ALL THESE EX EXTENT REGULATORY DOCUMENTS AND AGENCIES. 
          AND SO I I REALLY LIKED TYING IT DOWN THAT WAY 
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IN THE SAFETY FRAMEWORK. 
          SO I, I, I WANT TO ENCOURAGE THAT WHERE IT'S APPROPRIATE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER AREA THAT I SAW, UM, WELL, I DON'T WANNA RAISE A WHOLE KIND OF A WHOLE CAN OF WORMS, BUT THE DEVELOPMENT CODE, URBAN DESIGN STANDARDS, CAN YOU JUST SPEAK TO THAT QUICKLY? THIS IS UNDER, UM, GOAL SAF THREE, RESPONSIVE PUBLIC SAFETY SERVICES POLICY, SAF 3.4, USE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR CRIME PREVENTION. 
          AND AGAIN, THIS IS KIND OF A MENTION TO SOME OUTSIDE SET OF REFERENCE STANDARDS, BUT IT'S CALLED THE DEVELOPMENT CODE URBAN DESIGN STANDARDS. 
          JUST WONDERING WHAT THOSE WERE AND IF THERE'S ANYWHERE ELSE THAT, THAT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE WHEN WE THINK ABOUT DESIGN LAND USE, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          ELLA? YES. 
          UM, UNDER THE 3.4 0.1, IT GIVES THE, UH, THE COMMON NAME FOR THAT CRIME PREVENTION THROUGH ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN. 
          AND THAT IS AN ESTABLISHED SET STANDARDS AROUND HOW YOU DESIGN SPACES AND BUILDINGS AND HOW THAT CAN REDUCE CRIME RATES. 
          AND IT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH, UM, WINDOW PLACEMENT LIGHTING, UM, PEDESTRIAN THOROUGH AFFAIRS, THINGS APPLY, UM, EYES ON THE STREET IS A COMMON THING THAT IS WOVEN THROUGH THOSE TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE CAN SEE THE SPACES. 
          UM, SO IT'S REALLY JUST INDICATING A FORMALLY ADOPTING PIECES OF THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          GOT IT. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT, FOR THAT PIECE. 
          UH, AND THEN THE OTHER ONE THAT I WANTED TO CALL OUT, JUST BECAUSE I MENTIONED A PERCENTAGE AND I, I FOUND IT, GOAL SAF FIVE, UM, POLICY SAF 5.1, ACTION 5.1 0.4. 
          JUST THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING. 
          ESTABLISH BACKUP ENERGY SYSTEMS FOR 75% OF ALL CITY OWNED CRITICAL FACILITIES. 
          AND THAT WAS ONE WHERE I KNOW SOMETIMES WE DON'T WANNA MANAGE TO A PERCENTAGE, BUT THEN MAYBE THERE'S CASES WHERE IT'S APPROPRIATE. 
          UH, I THINK KIND OF DIALING THAT TO THE APPROPRIATE LEVEL CAN BE REALLY USEFUL. 
          'CAUSE I THINK A PERCENTAGE IS HELPFUL TO KNOW, ARE WE GETTING THERE? YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I'M THINKING OF INFRASTRUCTURE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT LIKE COMPOST ADOPTION BY MAJOR WASTE GENERATORS. 
          DO WE WANT TO HAVE SOME PERCENTAGE OR, AND NOT SOMETHING AS CRITICAL AS EMERGENCY RESPONSE LIKE THIS, AND MAYBE THAT'S WHY THAT WARRANTS A SPECIFIC PERCENTAGE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO CALL THAT OUT AS WHERE APPROPRIATE. 
          UM, I DO LIKE THAT, AND I THINK THAT IS, EVERY OTHER COMMENT I THINK FITS INTO KIND OF THAT BROAD CATEGORY OF REFERENCING OUTSIDE AGENCIES AND REGULATIONS WHERE APPROPRIATE. 
          UM, SO YEAH, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. 
          THANKS. 
          NO COMMENT. 
          AND I AM ALSO COMMENT FREE. 
          A LOT OF WHAT I WOULD'VE POINTED OUT HAS ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED. 
          AND I'LL JUST SAY AS A NOTE TO THE EXIGENT DOCUMENTS, I THINK IT'D BE GREAT IN THE FRAMEWORKS IF SOME OF THE REGULATORY DOCUMENTS WERE FOOTNOTED IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL. 
          I THINK THAT WOULD HELP FOR PEOPLE LOOKING AT THE STANDARDS, BECAUSE THAT WOULD'VE COVERED LIKE THE 75%, FOR EXAMPLE, WOULD'VE THAT EASILY CONNECTS THE STATE LAW. 
          SO HAVING THAT THERE SO FOLKS UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT JUST A NUMBER BEING THROWN AT THEM, BUT LIKE, HEY, WE'RE ACTUALLY FOLLOWING SOMETHING IMPOSED UPON US. 
          MM-HMM, . 
          BUT YEAH, I THINK WE'RE DONE WITH, WITH THIS PART OF THE PRESENTATION. 
          READY TO GO TO THE NEXT, OKAY. 
          UH, SORRY, LET ME JUST CATCH UP HERE A SECOND. 
          AH, YOU GET ME AGAIN. 
          SO, APOLOGIES. 
          UM, I AM NOT THE CHIEF AUTHOR OR LEAD, UM, CONSULTANT ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FRAMEWORK, BUT, UM, DESPITE OUR BEST EFFORTS, AND I THINK WE'VE BEEN REALLY SUCCESSFUL AT GETTING OUR, OUR TEAM MEMBERS AT THE VARIOUS COMMITTEE, COMMISSION BOARD AND PC MEETINGS, BUT THIS WAS ONE EXCEPTION, SO APOLOGIES. 
          UM, STRATEGIC ECONOMICS DID AN EXCELLENT JOB WITH THIS FRAMEWORK. 
          UM, DEREK SPECIFICALLY, UM, I WAS THE LEAD AUTHOR. 
          HE WAS JUST, UH, UNABLE TO BE HERE IN ANY WAY, UH, EITHER PUT IN PERSON OR ONLINE TONIGHT. 
          SO I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A VERY BRIEF, UH, OVERVIEW OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT POLICY FRAMEWORK AND APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE IF I CAN'T ANSWER ANY OF YOUR, ANY OF YOUR SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THE FRAMEWORK. 
          AND AFTER THIS, I'LL THEN TURN IT OVER TO, UM, OUR COLLEAGUES WHO WILL INTRODUCE THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND UTILITIES FRAMEWORKS AND NOISE FRAMEWORK. 
          UH, AGAIN, AS WITH ALL THE FRAMEWORKS, UM, THEY'RE BUILT ON TWO MAIN FOUNDATIONAL PILLARS. 
          THE FIRST BEING THE KEY FINDINGS FROM EXISTING CONDITIONS, AND THEN THE, UH, VISION PILLARS AND GUIDING PRINCIPLES. 
          SO HERE'S JUST SOME, BRIEFLY, SOME KEY FINDINGS ABOUT THE PETALUMA ECONOMY. 
          THE BOTTOM LINE HERE IS, UM, ACROSS THE STATE AND EVEN NATIONALLY, PETALUMA IS VERY PRIVILEGED TO HAVE A VERY HEALTHY, DIVERSE ECONOMY, GENERALLY, AS I THINK LARGELY EXEMPLIFIED BY THE GRAPH ON THE RIGHT, WHICH SHOWS THE, UM, THE HIGH LEVEL OF 
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DIVER DIVERS DIVERSIFICATION AMONGST INDUSTRIES WITHIN THE CITY, WHICH IS, UM, SOMEWHAT UNIQUE AND, UM, SHOULD BE VERY THANKFUL ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, AND THE CITY IS WELL POSITIONED FOR FUTURE GROWTH AS WELL ACROSS MANY OF THESE SECTORS. 
          UM, CITY IS ALSO VERY BLESSED TO BE A RETAIL HUB, UM, FOR THE REGION. 
          IT ACTUALLY BRINGS IN, UM, RETAIL SALES FROM ACROSS, UM, THE AREA. 
          UM, AND DOWNTOWN PETALUMA IS UNIQUELY POSITIONED TO CONTINUE DOING THAT, UM, PARTICULARLY IN THE SPECIALTY RETAIL SECTOR. 
          UM, THAT BEING SAID, RETAIL HAS CHANGED AND CONTINUES TO CHANGE SIGNIFICANTLY, AND THIS IS HEAVILY INFORMED MUCH OF OUR THINKING IN THE GENERAL PLAN, LAND USE INCLUDED. 
          UM, AND SO THERE'S, UH, AN ENTIRE, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, SECTIONS OF THIS FRAMEWORK THAT SPEAKS, SPEAKS SPECIFICALLY TO HOW, UH, THE CITY CAN SUPPORT THAT EVOLUTION. 
          UM, AND YOU'LL HEAR MORE ABOUT, YOU HEARD A BIT ABOUT THIS AT, AT THE APRIL 29TH MEETING, AND WE'LL HEAR MORE ABOUT IT AS WE GET MORE INTO THE LAND USE CONVERSATIONS AS WELL. 
          UM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FEATURE IS FEATURE PRO PROMINENTLY IN THE, UM, VISION PILLARS AND GUIDING PRINCIPLES ADOPTED BY GPAC. 
          UM, PEOPLE VERY MUCH WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE CITY IN THE FUTURE AS CONTINUING TO BE VERY PROSPEROUS, UM, AND PROSPEROUS ACROSS, UM, DIFFERENT SECTORS OF THE LOCAL COMMUNITY. 
          UM, AND ALSO SEE, UH, THE CITY'S INHERENT CREATIVITY AS ONE OF THE, UH, COMPONENTS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UM, CONTINUE TO DRIVE THE LOCAL ECONOMY. 
          UM, ALSO THERE, YOU'LL SEE IT IN THE GOALS. 
          THERE'S AN EMPHASIS ON MAKING SURE THAT PROSPERITY IS, UM, SHARED AMONGST COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT, UM, UH, THE CITY CONTINUES TO BE AN INCLUSIVE AND EQUITABLE CITY, INCLUDING FROM AN ECONOMIC PERSPECTIVE. 
          UM, AND THEN PRINCIPLES, A NUMBER OF THE PRINCIPLES TOUCHED ON THE VARIOUS, UH, ASPECTS OF THE LOCAL ECONOMY THAT, UM, WE WANNA MAKE SURE ARE ADDRESSED THROUGH THE FRAMEWORK. 
          OKAY, SO THIS FRAMEWORK IS ORGANIZED AROUND SIX GOAL AREAS. 
          UH, THE FIRST ONE, AS, AS IS THE CASE IN MANY OF THE FRAMEWORKS IS KIND OF AN OVERVIEW GOAL. 
          AND THEN THE REMAINDER FOCUS ON DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF WHAT YOU MIGHT CONSIDER AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY OF SORTS ARTICULATED IN THIS FRAMEWORK. 
          GOAL TWO, FOCUSING ON EQUITY THREE ON FISCAL SUSTAINABILITY. 
          FOUR ON, UM, CONTINUING TO HAVE, UH, PETALUMA SERVE AS A DESTINATION FOR RETAIL TOURISM, UM, AND OTHER, UH, DOLLARS FROM ACROSS THE REGION AND STATE. 
          UM, A COUPLE POLICIES IN GOAL FIVE AROUND THE IMPORTANCE, UH, ROLE OF TRANSPORTATION AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND A FEW SPECIFIC THINGS TO MAKE SURE ARE ADDRESSED. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, A GOAL FOCUSED ON ENTREPRENEURSHIP. 
          CONTINUE TO GROW AND SUPPORT THE GROWTH OF LOCAL BUSINESSES AND ATTRACT NEW BUSINESSES IN THE FUTURE. 
          I AM NOT GONNA GO INTO GREAT DETAIL, BUT AGAIN, THE FIRST ONE IS VERY MUCH, UM, FOCUSED ON KEEP MAINTAINING A STRONG ECONOMY FOR THE CITY. 
          UM, PART OF THAT IS, UM, TARGETING SPECIFIC INDUSTRIES. 
          PART OF THAT IS MAKING SURE THE LAND IS AVAILABLE THAT'S NEEDED FOR FUTURE NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. 
          RELATED TO THAT IS MAKING SURE THERE'S SUFFICIENT INFRASTRUCTURE CAPACITY, SEPARATE GOAL ON TRANSPORTATION SPECIFICALLY LATER. 
          UM, AND THEN, UM, GOAL SPECIFIC POLICIES FOCUSED ON DIFFERENT SECTORS, INCLUDING OFFICE DEVELOPMENT, A GENERAL, A GENERAL POLICY ON MAKING SURE WE'RE MAKING AS EASY AS POSSIBLE FOR BUSINESSES TO SUCCEED THROUGH OUR PERMITTING PROCESSES. 
          UM, AS YOU KNOW, A LOT OF INTEREST IN PETALUMA ON SUSTAINABLE BUSINESS, SPECIFICALLY A LOT OF SUCCESS IN THAT AREA, UM, HISTORICALLY, SO A DESIRE TO, UH, GROW THAT AS WELL. 
          UM, IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR, JUST TRANSITION, UH, REFERS SPECIFICALLY TO HELPING WORKERS WHO ARE PART OF A MORE OF THE CARBON BASED ECONOMY HELP THEM TRANSITION INTO WELL-PAYING JOBS THAT THEY CAN SUPPORT THEIR FAMILIES WITH AS THE ECONOMY TRANSITIONS AWAY FROM CARBON, UM, A POLICY ABOUT SUPPLY CHAINS. 
          AND THEN FINALLY THE FOOD INDUSTRY, OOPS, SORRY. 
          UM, SECOND GOAL ON EQUITY, UM, COVERING EVERYTHING FROM, UM, NOT JUST ADDRESSING INCOME INEQUALITIES, BUT WEALTH INEQUALITIES. 
          UM, SPECIFICALLY ADVANCING, UH, BUSINESSES OWNED BY THOSE HISTORICALLY MORE DISADVANTAGED, INCLUDING 
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PEOPLE, UH, UH, BLACK, UM, INDIGENOUS OR, OR VARIOUS, UM, HISTORICALLY DISADVANTAGED, UH, COMMUNITIES. 
          UH, FOCUSING IN PART ON WORKFORCE TRAINING, TRANSITION TRAINING. 
          AND THIS RELATES TO THE JUST TRANSITION AS WELL, UM, CONSIDERING SOME WAIVERS TO HELP THE GROWTH OF MICRO BUSINESSES. 
          AND THEN ALSO A POLICY ON ENSURING, UH, A LIVABLE WAGE. 
          ALL I KEEP PRESSING THE BUTTON TO ADVANCE THE SLIDES. 
          I KEEP WANTING TO TELL SOMEBODY ELSE TO ADVANCE THE SLIDES. 
          SO, UM, THEN GOAL THREE, UH, REALLY JUST A BIT ON FISCAL SUSTAINABILITY, CONSIDERING SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, BUSINESS AND SALES TAXES, UH, LEVERAGING GRANTS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. 
          AND CONSIDERING THE USE OF FISCAL IMPACT STUDIES, UM, AND CONSIDERING FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, UH, GULF FOUR DESTINATION CITIES, REALLY ALL ABOUT CONTINUING, UH, PEDALING CONTINUE TO BE A PLACE WHERE BUSINESSES, VISITORS, SHOPPERS COME AND ENJOY THEMSELVES. 
          A BIG FOCUS THERE IS ON THE DOWNTOWN AND THE RETAIL, BOTH LOCAL SERVING AND REGIONAL SERVING. 
          AND THEN FIVE A, A FEW DIFFERENT POLICIES ON SOME OF THE TRANSPORTATION CHALLENGES. 
          UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS UNDER LAND USE, BUT THE, UH, LEVERAGING, UH, THE TWO SMART STATIONS FOR ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, EASING THE BURDEN ON COMMUTERS AND ACCESS, AND THEN MAKING SURE THERE'S SUFFICIENT INDUSTRIAL CAPACITY WITHIN, WITH EASY ACCESS TO HIGHWAY 1 0 1 WILL REVISIT SOME OF THESE THEMES WHEN COMING BACK TO LAND USE. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, UH, UH, SUPPORTING THE ADVANCEMENT OF NEW BUSINESSES, UM, PARTICULARLY THOSE THAT ARE LOCALLY OWNED, UM, SUPPORTING EXISTING BUSINESSES. 
          AND THEN ALSO, UH, SIMILAR TO MICRO ENTERPRISES SUPPORTING BUSINESSES THAT ARE BASED, UM, AT HOME, UH, OR OTHERWISE, UM, NEW BUSINESSES IN THE AREA. 
          AT THIS POINT, I THINK SEBASTIAN IS GONNA COME UP AND JOIN US AT THE TABLE, EITHER YEAH, EITHER HERE OR, YEAH, IF YOU DON'T MIND, OR THANKS EVENING ADVANCE. 
          I CAN GO FOR IT. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, UM, IN THE COMING WEEKS, YOU'LL BE SEEING ME AGAIN. 
          I'LL BORE YOU ABOUT ALL THE FLOOD POLICY THINGS TODAY WE'RE TALKING INFRASTRUCTURE UTILITIES. 
          UM, THIS FRAMEWORK, UH, IS REALLY FOCUSED ON THE DIRECT CITY PROVIDED OR, UM, OUTSIDE SERVICE PROVIDED UTILITIES. 
          IT'S NOT, UH, WHAT SOME OF THE COMMENTS WE WERE ALREADY GETTING ARE REALLY INTERESTING ABOUT HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU INTEGRATE SOME OF THE OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE COMPONENTS THAT THE CITY PROVIDES, LIKE THE ROAD NETWORK, THE BICYCLE NETWORK, OTHER ASPECTS OF INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          UM, THIS ONE PARTICULAR WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT MOSTLY UTILITIES. 
          SO WATER, UH, WATER, SEWER, GAS, ELECTRIC WASTE, TELECOM. 
          UM, IT'S GONNA BE THE FOCUS. 
          SO, UH, OVERALL THE, THE CITY'S BEEN MAKING STRIDES AND, AND, UH, IN MEETING PREVIOUSLY SET GOALS AROUND WATER CONSERVATION. 
          UM, REALLY EXEMPLARY PROGRAM AROUND RECYCLED WATER, UM, AND EVEN PROGRESS ON, UH, DECARBONIZING THE ELECTRICAL GRID. 
          UM, THERE'S A REALLY GOOD BACKBONE OF SERVICES THAT ARE BEING PROVIDED. 
          AND THEN, WHICH PROVIDES A, A GOOD STEPPING OFF POINT FOR THE GOALS THAT WE'VE BEEN HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY AROUND FULL DECARBONIZATION, INCREASED WATER RESILIENCE, UM, AND, UH, AND KIND OF CLIMATE PROOFING OF THE UTILITY SERVICES. 
          STORM WATER IS A BIG ONE THAT HAS COME UP AS A FOCUS, UM, IN THAT IT IS CURRENTLY CHALLENGED BY CERTAIN, UM, FUNDING, FUNDING STREAMS AND KIND OF JURISDICTIONAL CHALLENGES. 
          UM, A COUPLE FACTOIDS ARE ON STORM WATER, IS THAT THOUGH IT'S NOT CURRENTLY USED AS A WATER PART OF THE WATER PORTFOLIO, THERE'S NO SURFACE WATER DIVERSION BEING USED FOR OUR WATER SUPPLY. 
          UM, IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE MANAGE IN THAT THERE ARE WATER QUALITY PERMIT REQUIREMENTS AND CURRENTLY SOME HURDLES, UM, TO, 
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TO THE MANAGEMENT. 
          AND THERE'S ALSO SOME UNIQUE THINGS WHERE, UM, FUNDING CHALLENGES TO SUPPORT MAINTENANCE AND IMPROVEMENT OF STORMWATER NETWORKS, POTABLE WATER. 
          UM, THIS IS ONE OF THE ONES THAT REALLY SCARES PEOPLE AND IT'S GREAT AT THIS POINT TO TAKE THE BREATH TO REMIND OURSELVES THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY SITTING IN PRETTY GOOD, UH, SITUATION. 
          UM, KINDA THE PROJECTIONS, THIS REPEAT, UH, THESE URBAN WATER MANAGEMENT PLANS THAT HAVE TO BE DONE ON THESE FIVE YEAR CYCLES, UM, ARE HEARTENING IN THE PROJECTIONS THEY PROVIDE ABOUT SUFFICIENT WATER SUPPLY. 
          WE ARE CURRENTLY AROUND 95% IN, IN 95 TO A HUNDRED PERCENT, UH, USING SONOMA WATER, AQUEDUCT WATER COMING FROM THE RUSSIAN RIVER. 
          UH, WE DO HAVE WITHIN CITY GROUNDWATER BACKUPS THAT HAVE BEEN USED DURING DROUGHT CONDITIONS, UM, AS SUPPLY. 
          AND, UH, THERE'S GOOD DOCUMENTATION ABOUT HOW HARDENED AGAINST DROUGHT IS OUR WATER SUPPLY AND WHAT OUR ALTERNATIVES ARE. 
          UM, THE CITY ALSO HAS A REALLY ADVANCED WASTEWATER TREATMENT AND RECYCLING, UM, FACILITY AND NETWORK. 
          THIS HERE IS SHOWING AREAS OF THE CITY AND OUTSIDE THE CITY THAT ARE RECEIVING RECYCLED WATER SERVICE. 
          UM, AND THERE'S A REALLY ACTIVE AREA FOR THE CITY CURRENTLY DOING STUDIES ON, UH, RECYCLED WATER MASTER PLAN AND CURRENTLY PLANNING OUT, UH, IMPROVEMENTS TO THE RECYCLED WATER PROGRAM TO BOTH EXPAND DELIVERY, UM, AND TO EXPAND THE PRODUCTION CAPACITY AND AROUND OUR ENERGY SYSTEMS. UM, ELECTRICITY, AS WE ALL KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING WITH PG E IS AS OUR, UH, PROVIDER, THOUGH THE COMMUNITY CHOICE AGGREGATORS, LIKE SONOMA CLEAN POWER, WE HAVE MORE AND MORE INROADS INTO THE CITY AND MORE AND MORE ADOPTION. 
          UM, AND THAT I THINK IS GONNA BE AN INTERESTING PART OF THE FRAMEWORK TO, TO LOOK AT HOW ACTIVE DOES THE GENERAL PLAN WANT TO GET INTO FURTHER DECARBONIZATION OF ALL OF THE GRID CONNECTIONS THAT WE'VE GOT. 
          QUICKLY, SOLID WASTE, UH, PROVIDED BY OUTSIDE FIRM, UM, AND IN COLLABORATION WITH COUNTYWIDE ZERO WASTE, SONOMA, UM, AND TELECOM DATA. 
          ALSO, NO SERVICES PROVIDED BY THE CITY. 
          UM, PRETTY, PRETTY BIG MIX OF SERVICE OFFER SERVICE PROVIDERS. 
          UM, WE TYPICALLY SKIP, OH, OKAY. 
          BRIEFLY TOUCH ON THE KEY. 
          SO WE GOT A LOT OF GREAT INPUT EARLY IN THE PROCESS. 
          FROM THE COMMUNITY AND FROM CITY STAKEHOLDERS AROUND VISION AND SOME OF THE KEY PRINCIPLES, THE CARBON NEUTRALITY GOAL BEING ONE OF THE BIGGEST. 
          YOU'LL SEE IT INTERSPERSED THROUGH ALL OF THE DIFFERENT, UM, KIND OF SUB SUBSECTIONS OF THE UTILITY FRAMEWORK. 
          AND TWO OTHER BIG PRINCIPLES BEING HOW DO YOU, UH, HOW DO WE ENSURE AND HOW DO WE FACILITATE THE INFILL AND THE DENSIFICATION THAT WE WANNA SEE MEETING OUR LAND USE GOALS? HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT THE UTILITIES ARE THERE TO PROVIDE FOR THAT? UM, PARTICULARLY IN THE FACE OF CLIMATE CHANGE. 
          AND A THING WE KEEP ON HEARING FROM ALL LEVELS OF ENGAGEMENT IS THE DESIRE FOR PETALUMA TO BE, UH, A REGIONAL, REGIONAL, IF NOT BIGGER, UH, LEADER IN THESE SORTS OF RESILIENT CLIMATE SMART, UH, UTILITY SERVICES. 
          SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF SE UH, SEGMENTS IN HERE. 
          WE TRIED TO BREAK THEM UP, UM, INTO THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF, UH, UTILITY THAT'S BEING OFFERED. 
          SO YOU'LL NOTICE THERE'S MANY DIFFERENT WATER SYSTEMS. UM, THERE'S A NUMBER ONE ON POTABLE WATER SUPPLY. 
          UH, TWO TRIES TO, TRIES TO EXPLORE THE GROWING, UH, APPRECIATION THAT WE THOUGH WE TYPICALLY HAVE TO JUST FOR FEASIBILITY, TALK ABOUT WATER SYSTEMS AS SEPARATED STORM WATER SEPARATE FROM WASTEWATER, SEPARATE FROM POTABLE WATER. 
          UM, THE REALITY IS THESE WATER SYSTEMS ARE INTEGRATED AND, UM, TRYING TO, THE CITY'S ACTUALLY IN PROCESS RIGHT NOW OF DEVELOPING THIS INTEGRATED WATER RESOURCES MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT ACTUALLY DOES APPRECIATE ALL THE DIFFERENT WATERS THAT ARE FLOWING THROUGH THE SITE. 
          UH, THROWING THROUGH THE, THE CITY AND HOW WE MIGHT INTERACT WITH EACH OF THEM. 
          THREE ON WATER CONSERVATION, FOUR ON GROUNDWATER. 
          AND, UH, FIVE WE START, WE START, UH, LEAVING WATER AND WE START MOVING OVER INTO, UH, WHAT'S THE TIE IN OF 
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WATER SYSTEMS TO OUR, UH, ZERO WASTE GOALS AND OUR CARBON NEUTRALITY GOALS. 
          AND THEN TO CLOSE IT OUT, WE HAVE SOME SECTIONS ON SOLID WASTE ENERGY SYSTEMS, UH, TELE TELECOM INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, TO FINISH THAT OUT. 
          SO I WAS GONNA GO PRETTY QUICKLY THROUGH THESE 'CAUSE WE'RE ALREADY GETTING REALLY GOOD INPUT AND I WILL, WE WANNA LEAVE MOST OF THE TIME FOR, UM, UH, DIRECT, DIRECT INPUT FROM YOU GUYS. 
          SO JUST TO GO THROUGH IT QUICKLY. 
          SO FOR SOME SIGNPOSTS ON NUMBER ONE, UH, GOAL NUMBER ONE, WE'RE TALKING PRIMARILY ABOUT THE SUSTAINABLE SUPPLY OF POTABLE WATER, UH, TO THE CITY. 
          AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE, UM, OVER THE LIFE OF GENERAL PLAN AND REALLY OVER THE LIFE OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT MIGHT BE DEVELOPED DURING THIS, UH, THIS ACTIVE GENERAL PLAN, UH, TWO GOES INTO, UH, IN ORDER TO PROVIDE FOR THE POTABLE WATER SYSTEM, WE HAVE TO START THINKING ABOUT INTEGRATED WATER SYSTEMS, APPRECIATING THAT GROUNDWATER, STORMWATER, WASTEWATER ARE PARTS OF, MAYBE NOT THE POTABLE SYSTEM, BUT THEY ARE BENEFITS AND IMPACTS TO THE POTABLE SYSTEM. 
          SO WE HAVE TO START PLANNING AS AN INTEGRATED WATER SYSTEM. 
          THREE IS CONTINUING THE ONGOING WORK, UH, THAT THE CITY'S BEEN DOING AROUND WATER CONSERVATION. 
          FOUR IS OUR INTEGRATION INTO THE REGIONAL GROUNDWATER PLANNING. 
          UM, THE CITY BEING A BOARD MEMBER OF THE GROUNDWATER SUSTAINABILITY AGENCY. 
          FIVE, WE GET INTO WHAT IS THE IMPACT OF WATER ON OUR CARBON EMISSIONS, UM, AND HOW DO WE WANNA OPTIMIZE OUR WATER SYSTEMS, NOT JUST FOR THE RESILIENCE GOALS OF THE WATER NETWORK, BUT ALSO FOR THE OVERALL CLIMATE. 
          UH, CARBON EMISSIONS GOALS. 
          SIX IS HOLDING RECYCLED WASTE. 
          IT'S REALLY, UM, SINCE THAT'S NOT SERVICES OFFERED DIRECTLY BY THE CITY, IT'S MORE OF A CON CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW DOES THE CITY WANT TO SET GOALS AND INTENTIONS FOR FUTURE CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS WITH WASTE PROVIDERS AND ACTIVITIES WITHIN THE CITY, UH, THAT MANAGE WASTE BEFORE IT GOES TO THE WASTE SERVICE PROVIDER. 
          THAT ALSO, UM, CARRIES US OVER INTO THE CARBON EMISSIONS CONCERNS AROUND WASTE OPERATIONS. 
          UM, MOST OF THAT WITHIN CITY LIMITS THAT'S CONTROLLED BY THE CITY IS AROUND, UH, THE, UH, BIOMASS MANAGEMENT, THE, THE WASTE TREATMENT PLANT AND WATER RECYCLING FACILITY. 
          AND IN EIGHT, GETTING INTO THE RENEWABLE ENERGY GOALS. 
          AND, UM, ALSO TRYING TO, TRYING TO HOLD THE, THE CONVERSATION FOR HOW DO WE SET OUR GOALS FOR AND POLICIES FOR, UH, THE MANAGEMENT OF UTILITY LINES, THE UNDERGROUNDING CONVERSATION, PARTICULARLY IN LIGHT OF NEW CAL FIRE, FIRE HAZARD MAPS IN LIGHT OF SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT ARE BEING EXPERIENCED IN, UH, MODIFICATIONS TO THE ROAD NETWORK OR URBAN STORMWATER THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, COME UP AGAINST, UM, SHOW THE NEED FOR SOME MORE INTENTIONAL PLANNING AROUND HOW WE MANAGE UNDERGROUND UTILITY, UH, PLANNING NINE BROADBAND. 
          UH, IF YOU'VE SEEN ME ON ONE OF THE ZOOM CALLS FOR THIS PROJECT, YOU NOTICE THAT BROADBAND, UH, IN THE CITY PORTIONS OF THE CITY AND OUTSIDE THE CITY HAS SOME, UH, BANDWIDTH ISSUES. 
          UH, IT'S WHY I COME TO THESE MEETINGS INSTEAD OF DOING THEM FROM, UH, FROM HOME. 
          AND, UH, ALSO POINTING TO THE HIGH SPEED INTERNET OF JUST REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THE NEXT 20, 30 YEARS, WHAT ROLE DOES THE CITY HAVE TO PLAY IN SUPPORTING ACCESS, EQUITABLE ACCESS TO, UM, TO INTERNET AND, AND, UM, UH, AND INTEGRATING THE COMMUNITY IN WITH THOSE RESOURCES. 
          SO WE WANT TO PAUSE. 
          WE HAVE OUR NOTES AND WOULD LOVE TO, UM, READY TO COVER NOISE. 
          AND THEN, OH, DARN. 
          I WAS REALLY HOPING START. 
          THANK YOU, SEBASTIAN. 
          UM, SO THEN JUST QUICKLY BACK TO OUR COLLEAGUES AT RING CON AND THEN WE'LL DO QUESTIONS AND PUBLIC COMMENT AND COMMISSIONER COMMENT. 
          SO, GOOD EVENING. 
          UH, MY NAME'S JOSH KAMAN, THE DIRECTOR OF TECHNICAL SERVICES AT GREENCON, AND I'M GONNA GO THROUGH THE NOISE POLICY FRAMEWORK HERE. 
          UM, SLIDE. 
          SO LOOKING AT, UM, YOU KNOW, MAIN SOURCES OF NOISE AND PETALUMA, UM, LIKE MOST CITIES, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT AT ROADWAY AND TRAFFIC NOISE. 
          UM, THERE ARE SEVERAL MAJOR ROADWAYS IN PETALUMA THAT DO EXCEED THE EPA RECOMMENDED, UH, 
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NOISE EXPOSURE LEVEL, UM, WHICH IS BELOW 70 DECIBELS. 
          UM, AND THE, UH, PETALUMA MUNICIPAL AIRPORT, THOUGH IT IS ADJACENT TO A RESIDENTIAL AREA THERE, UM, YOU KNOW, HAS FAIRLY LIMITED, UM, VOLUME OF AIR TRAFFIC AND, AND DOESN'T SIGNIFICANTLY AFFECT, UH, NOISE LEVELS IN PETALUMA. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO THIS ONE, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S JUST THE OVERARCHING VISION AND GUIDING POLICY FOR THE ENTIRE GENERAL PLAN OF UPDATE, RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, IN THINKING ABOUT NOISE, HAVING WAYS THAT, THAT PEOPLE CAN, CAN WALK OR BIKE TO LOCATIONS, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY REDUCE, UM, THAT, THAT TRAFFIC OR GO BIT NOISE. 
          UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT ENSURING HEALTH AND WELLNESS OF ALL RESIDENTS, CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, REDUCING RISK EXPOSURE PLAYS A PART IN THAT. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO GETTING INTO THE GOALS, THERE'S FIVE MAIN GOALS. 
          UM, NUMBER ONE, UM, APPROPRIATE SOUND LEVELS. 
          NUMBER TWO, NOISE MANAGEMENT. 
          NUMBER THREE, TEMPORARY NOISE NUMBER FOUR, TRANSPORTATION NOISE, AND FIVE VIBRATION. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO THE FIRST ONE, UM, APPROPRIATE SOUND LEVELS. 
          UM, THERE'S A TABLE N ONE, UM, IN THE FRAMEWORK WHICH CONTAINS THE CITY'S, UM, GUIDELINES FOR NOISE EXPOSURE FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF LAND USES. 
          UM, AND SO YOU CAN SEE IN THERE RANGES OF ACCEPTABLE OR, OR UNACCEPTABLE NOISE EXPOSURE. 
          UM, AND SO THAT BE PRIMARILY USED AS A TOOL FOR CITING NEW DEVELOPMENT, WHETHER THAT'S RESIDENTIAL OR SCHOOLS, UH, AND SO FORTH. 
          POLICY TWO, UM, PROVIDES A MUNICIPAL CODE IN IMPLEMENTING SOY ZONING ORDINANCES. 
          UM, I THINK THE THOUGHT THERE IS TO, YOU KNOW, ENSURE THAT THERE'S CONSISTENCY BETWEEN THE GOALS, UM, I'M SORRY, THE STANDARDS AND, AND ONE, UM, AND MUNICIPAL CODE AND ZONING ORDINANCE. 
          MOVING ON TO GOAL TWO, NOISE MANAGEMENT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD REQUIRE ACOUSTICAL STUDIES FOR SHARP DISCRETIONARY PROJECTS. 
          YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY THOSE PROJECTS REQUIRING  ANALYSIS. 
          UM, IN ADDITION, UM, L-C-N-O-I 2.2 LAYS OUT SOME DESIGN, UM, MEASURES AND OPTIONS THAT DEVELOPERS OR PROJECT APPLICANTS HAVE TO MEET THE CITY'S NOISE STANDARDS. 
          AND SO THAT WOULD BE ORIENTING BUILDING FOR SETBACKS, UM, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN TYPES OF SCREENING OR BUFFERING, UM, YOU KNOW, UP TO AND INCLUDING POTENTIALLY NOISE BARRIERS OR, OR SOUND BALLS. 
          AND THEN POLICY, UH, NOI 2 1 3. 
          UM, SPEAKING OF SOUND WALLS, WOULD BE ENCOURAGED THE USE OF ALTERNATIVES TO THAT. 
          UM, AND SO THAT COULD, YOU KNOW, STILL BE CERTAIN TYPES OF BARRIERS LIKE EARTH AND BURNS OR, UM, LIVING WALLS. 
          UM, SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE THOUGHT THERE IS TO, BEFORE JUST GOING TO, TO A MASONRY WALL MITIGATION OPTION TO CONSIDER THE REAL ALTERNATIVES. 
          POLICY 2.4, UM, IS ABOUT REDUCING MAINTENANCE NOISE. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE TO REQUIRE MAINTENANCE SOURCES SUCH AS LEAF BLOWERS, MOWERS TO MAKE SURE THOSE ARE APPROPRIATELY MUFFLED. 
          UM, ENCOURAGING LOCAL LANDSCAPERS AND BUSINESSES TO ADOPT THE USE OF, UM, ELECTRICAL POWERED TOOLS. 
          AND THEN WHEN LOOKING AT STATIONARY SOURCES OF EQUIPMENT SUCH AS NEW GENERATORS, HVAC, MAKING SURE THAT THOSE ARE SET BACK FROM RESIDENCES OR OTHER NOISE SENSITIVE LAND USES, UM, THAT THEY MAY BE NEXT TO, TO THOSE TYPES OF STATIONARY NOISE SOURCES. 
          POLICY 2.5 WOULD BE LIMIT NON-ESSENTIAL NOISE SOURCES. 
          SO THAT WOULD INCLUDE THINGS LIKE THOSE STATIONARY NOISE SOURCES, AS WELL AS LOADING DOCKS, UM, YOU KNOW, AND PARKING LOTS, UH, TRASH ENCLOSURES AND, AND SOURCES SUCH AS THAT. 
          UH, NEXT SLIDE WE ONTO TO TEMPORARY NOISE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, MOSTLY TALKING ABOUT REDUCING CONSTRUCTION NOISE HERE. 
          UM, AND SO PART OF THAT WOULD BE TO, TO, UH, REQUIRE REUSABLE CONSTRUCTION SOUND BARRIERS, UM, TO REDUCE CONSTRUCTION WASTE. 
          IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, LIMITING CONSTRUCTION NOISE, THERE, THERE IS AN ACTION THERE TO CONSIDER UPDATING THE CITY, UM, IMPLEMENTING ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIRE, UM, ADDITIONAL NOISE REDUCTION STRATEGIES AND, UH, CONSIDERING ADDING, UM, INSTRUCTION NOISE STANDARDS TO THE MUNICIPAL CODE. 
          UM, YEAH, OTHER MAIN SOURCE OF TEMPORARY NOISE WOULD BE NOISE FROM SPECIAL EVENTS. 
          SO THAT WOULD REQUIRE, UM, SPECIAL EVENTS SUCH AS THOSE AT THE FAIRGROUNDS, UM, TO LIMIT NOISE THROUGH SITE DESIGN, SHIELDING, OPERATIONAL HOUR RESTRICTIONS, 
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UM, IN MEASURES SUCH AS THOSE FULL NOI FOUR TRANSPORTATION NOISE. 
          UM, AS PART OF THE, THE CONTINUATION OF THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE WILL BE TO DEVELOP EXISTING AND FUTURE NOISE CONTOUR MAPS, UM, YOU KNOW, SHOWING WHERE SOME OF THOSE, THOSE HIGH NOISE ENVIRONMENT AREAS ARE. 
          UM, AND THEN TO REQUIRE THAT NEW RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OR OTHER NOISE SOURCES, UM, BASED ON THE, THE TABLE. 
          AND ONE THAT I MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, IF THEY ARE IN AREAS THAT ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE FOR NOISE EXPOSURE TO, TO INCLUDE, UH, DESIGN FEATURES OR NOISE REDUCTION STRATEGIES TO MEET THOSE, THIS IS EXTERIOR AND INTERIOR NOISE STANDARDS. 
          UM, POLICY TWO, REDUCING DEVELOPMENT TRAFFIC NOISE. 
          UM, SIMILAR MEASURE THERE. 
          POLICY NOI 4.3 TO REDUCE RAIL NOISE. 
          AND I THINK IT'S REALLY TO COORDINATE THE MAINTENANCE, UM, OF THE RAIL LINE WITH SMART. 
          AND SO THAT COULD DO THINGS LIKE ENCOURAGING, UM, YOU KNOW, THE REGULAR USE OF WHEEL LUBRICATION AND RAIL GRINDING ON A REGULAR BASIS TO REDUCE, UH, REDUCE RAIL NOISE AND POLICY 4.4, ENSURING ADEQUATE NOISE STUDIES AND MITIGATION. 
          UM, AND THAT WOULD BE SIMILAR COORDINATION WITH CALTRANS POLICY,  4.5 LIMIT, UH, TRUCK TRAFFIC NOISE. 
          UM, WOULD CONSIDER EXPLORING POSSIBLE LIMITATIONS ON LOCAL TRUCK TRAFFIC, INCLUDING LOADING, UNLOADING, UM, SPECIFIC ROUTES, TIMES AND SPEEDS APPROPRIATE EACH SEWING DISTRICT. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, NOI FIVE, UM, VIBRATION. 
          LOOKING AT Y 5.1, UM, THERE'S AN ACTION TO CONSIDER ADOPTING, UM, THE BUILDING ARCHITECTURAL DAMAGE THRESHOLDS THAT ARE IN, UH, INCHES PER SECOND PEAK PARTICLE VELOCITY OR PPV. 
          AND SO THAT'S, IT'S A MORE UPDATED AND COMMON, UM, VIBRATION METRIC THAN WHAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE CODE, WHICH IS BASED ON, ON GS OR GRAVITY. 
          SO SPRINGING THE CODE UP TO UP TO COUNTY STANDARDS. 
          UM, AND THEN POLICY 5.2 0.1, I'M SORRY, ACTION 5.2 0.1. 
          CONSIDER UPDATING THE IMPLEMENTING SOY ZONE ORDINANCE, UH, TO INCLUDE PERFORMANCE UNITS BASED ON THOSE FOUR CONSTRUCTION. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, REDUCING VIBRATION FROM RAIL TRAFFIC. 
          UM, THAT WOULD BE TO WHEN YOU'RE CITING A, A RESIDENTIAL USE OR OTHER VIBRATION SENSITIVE USE, UM, WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE RAIL. 
          UM, THE SMART RAIL LINE TO REQUIRE A VIBRATION STUDY BE BE COMPLETED, UH, PRIOR TO, UH, TO APPROVING THAT PROJECT. 
          I BELIEVE THAT'S IT FOR NOISE. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UH, DO WE HAVE COMMISSIONER COMMENTS? I'M GOING TO GO WITH JESSICA AND THEN GO ALL THE WAY DOWN. 
          WHAT ARE THE QUESTIONS FIRST? MM-HMM. 
          , I GUESS MORE OF A PROCEDURAL QUESTION. 
          HOW ARE WE HEARING THE AD HOC GROUP'S THOUGHTS IN THE CONTEXT? WE'RE GONNA BE HEARING THEM AFTER THIS BASED ON THE, THE AGENDA. 
          OKAY. 
          THEN I'LL, UH, NONE FOR ME. 
          OKAY. 
          ROGER, BACK TALK. 
          HOW ARE WE DOING THE AD HOC? HOW ARE WE DOING THE AD HOC REPORTS? I THINK THE PLAN WAS TO DO IT AFTER, SO WE JUST DIDN'T RUN A HUGE PRESENTATION. 
          SO I THINK NOW'S A GOOD TIME FOR ANY QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO MY QUESTION RELATES BACK TO ECONOMICS. 
          IS THAT APPROPRIATE NOW? OKAY. 
          UM, ED, ED FOUR, DESTINATION CITY, IT TALKS ABOUT HOW TO BRING OR ATTRACT PEOPLE TO PETALUMA. 
          UM, ANOTHER BIG PART OF THAT IS WHAT THEY PASS THROUGH TO GET HERE. 
          UM, FOR INSTANCE, LINKING DOWNTOWN, HISTORIC DOWNTOWN TO THE ROADS THAT GETS YOU THERE, YOU KNOW, JUST AS SUCH AS LINKING THE DOWNTOWN IMAGE WITH A PETALUMA BOULEVARD IMAGE AT THE FREEWAY, UH, TO THE FREEWAY OR, OR THE WASHINGTON STREET IMAGE TO THE DOWNTOWN. 
          SOMEHOW THOSE HAVE TO BE TIED TOGETHER WITH DESTINATION CITY. 
          'CAUSE OTHERWISE YOU'RE DRIVING THROUGH WAREHOUSES TO GET TO A DESTINATION. 
          AND I, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE, I DON'T THINK WE'RE TAKING ADVANTAGE, FULL ADVANTAGE OF WHAT WE HAVE OR WHAT WE COULD WORK WITH. 
          SO IT JUST SEEMS LIKE, UM, CORRIDOR POLICIES, LINKAGE POLICIES, IMAGE POLICIES SOMEHOW TIE INTO, 
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UH, ATTRACTIVE ECONOMIC, UH, DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND I ALSO, AS I UNDERSTAND THE HOUSING, THERE'S HIGHER DENSITY HOUSING ALONG THESE BOULEVARDS PROPOSED, AND THE GENERAL PLAN, ESPECIALLY WASHINGTON AND THOSE, THOSE BOULEVARDS HAVE TO BE ATTRACTIVE ALONG WITH THAT HOUSING. 
          SO IT, IT, IT'S NOT A SITE BY SITE SOLUTION. 
          IT'S A WHOLE ROAD SOLUTION, A WHOLE ROAD GOAL SOLUTION. 
          UM, AND THE OTHER IS, UM, I I COME FROM A AREA WHERE THE IRVINE RANCH WAS CONVERTED TO A NEW COMMUNITY. 
          ALL THE LANDSCAPE, ALL THE PARKS, ALL THE PARKWAYS, ALL THE COMMON LAND, ALL THE FRONT YARDS ARE RECLAIMED WATER THAT ALLOWS THEM TO HAVE A VEGETATION THAT'S MUCH, UH, MORE, UH, ROBUST THAN THEY WOULD IF IT WAS JUST MADE OF CONDITIONS. 
          WHAT'S THE CAPACITY OF THE PETALUMA WATER SYSTEMS OR, OR FIRST I WOULD SAY THE POPULATIONS THAT'S GENERATING THE WASTEWATER THAT GENERATES THE RECLAIMED WATER. 
          WHAT'S THE RELATIONSHIP OF POPULATION TO WATER GENERATED TO HOW MUCH WE'RE USING OR HOW MUCH WE NEED TO USE, WHICH RELATES TO EXTENDING RECLAIMED WATER DISTRIBUTION PIPES TO MORE LOCATIONS AND POSSIBLY TO RESIDENTIAL FRONT YARDS? I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WHOLE QUESTION IS, UM, UH, ROGER, DO YOU WANNA LET THEM ANSWER THE QUESTION FIRST? YEAH, I'LL ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT THE, UM, GATEWAYS AND CORRIDORS AS IT RELATES TO THE CITY BEING DESTINATION CITY, AND THEN I'LL PASS IT TO SEBASTIAN TO ADDRESS THAT QUESTION AROUND UTILITY CAPACITY. 
          UM, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE AREAS WHERE, UM, THIS IS A TOPIC THAT CUTS ACROSS SEVERAL FRAMEWORKS IN THIS CASE. 
          UM, THE LAND USE FRAMEWORK, UM, INCLUDES GOALS, POLICIES SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO GATEWAYS, UM, IDENTIFIES I THINK SEVERAL AROUND THE CITY, AND THEN, UM, SPEAKS TO THE NEED FOR CORRIDOR IMPROVEMENTS ALONG SOME OF THE MAIN CORRIDORS, PRECISELY TO YOUR POINT THAT, YES, IF WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO, UM, BUILD THE CITY IN PART WITH FO NON-RESIDENTS IN MIND AND, AND, AND HOPING TO CONTINUE TO TRACK THEIR DOLLARS, THEN, UM, NEED TO HAVE, UM, THEIR EXPERIENCE VERY MUCH IN MIND IN THE, IN THE DESIGN OF THE CITY. 
          SEBASTIAN, SO I CAN REITERATE THE QUESTION. 
          IT IT, IT WAS AROUND THE ABILITY OF THE CURRENT RECYCLED WATER SYSTEM TO SUPPORT AN INCREASE IN, UM, MAKE SURE IT CAN SUPPORT THE KIND OF VEGETATION GOALS THAT WOULD COME WITH THESE DEVELOPMENT OF, OF, UH, CORRIDORS LEADING IN TO THE CITY. 
          SO THE, THE CHALLENGES AROUND RECYCLED WATER FOR, FOR THAT GOAL IN PARTICULAR, UM, ARE, ARE PROBABLY LESS ONES ABOUT TOTAL VOLUME AND MORE ABOUT THE DISTRIBUTION OF THE PURPLE PIPE NETWORK. 
          UM, THE PURPLE PIPE IS VERY EXTENSIVE ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN AND IS CONTINUING TO EXPAND. 
          THERE'S PROJECTS UNDERWAY. 
          UM, THERE'S CERTAINLY NO SERVICE OVER TO THE WEST SIDE AND A LOT OF THE EAST SIDE. 
          UH, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S A PIPELINE ALONG WASHINGTON, UM, HEADING IN TOWARDS DOWNTOWN. 
          UM, IT'S MOSTLY KIND OF RUNNING THE, YOU KNOW, THE MCDOWELL AND, UM, RUNNING IN THE OTHER, IN THE OTHER ORIENTATION. 
          AND SO IT'S, IT'S WHAT MORE OF THE, WHERE'S THE PRIORITIZATION? IS THERE SUFFICIENT VOLUME TO WARRANT THE EXPANSION OF A, OF A PURPLE PIPE NETWORK FROM THE ELLIS RECYCLING FACILITY TO THOSE, UH, RATHER SMALL USERS, MANY, MANY CONNECTIONS THAT MIGHT IN AGGREGATE START MAKING SOME LARGER FLOWS. 
          UH, BUT TO DATE, MOST OF THE RECYCLED WATER SERVICE PROJECTS HAVE BEEN FOCUSED ON SINGLE CONNECTION, LARGE VOLUME USERS, PRIMARILY PARKS GOLF OUT OF CITY AG AND SOME, UH, SOME COMMERCIAL CONNECTIONS FOR IRRIGATION LIKE KAISER. 
          BUT THOSE, AGAIN, ARE SINGLE CONNECTION POINTS THAT HAVE LARGE VOLUMES. 
          UM, I, I THINK IT WOULD BE AN INTERESTING THING, AND IT IS, I ASSUME IS BEING STUDIED IN THE, UH, RECYCLED WATER MASTER PLAN THAT IS ONGOING RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, LOOKING, IT'S ASKING THESE QUESTIONS LIKE, 
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WHERE DO WE WANT TO EXPAND THE PURPLE PIPE NETWORK TO DO, WE WANNA LOOK AT, UH, DECENTRALIZED WATER REUSE FACILITIES, SO, SO SCALPING FACILITIES THAT PULL A LITTLE BIT OF WATER, UM, FOR USE LOCALLY AND DON'T NEED TO CONNECT TO ELLIS, UM, OR OTHER WAYS OF PROVIDING, UH, RECYCLED WATER TO SUPPORT THOSE SORTS OF GOALS. 
          DO YOU HAVE MORE QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, HEIDI, THANK YOU. 
          UM, YEAH, I JUST HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. 
          I WAS WONDERING IF THERE WAS ANY, UM, CONVERSATION AROUND FULL ON LIKE, UM, BANNING, UH, GAS POWERED LEAF BLOWERS IN THE, UM, IN THE CITY BECAUSE OF THEIR, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL, UM, NUISANCE AND THEIR NOISE NUISANCE. 
          JOSH, THAT MIGHT BE, CAN I, FIRST CITY STAFF, CAN I LET JUST CHIME IN ON WHILE WE GET JOSH DIALED IN? UH, GREAT QUESTION, COMMISSIONER. 
          IT'S A CONVERSATION OR A TOPIC THAT HAS COME UP QUITE A BIT, UH, PARTICULARLY IN THE CONTEXT OF, UM, OUR CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. 
          UM, AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, I WOULD SAY, UH, IS A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED. 
          UM, WE'RE ABSOLUTELY AWARE OF IT. 
          IT SORT OF COMES UP IN THE CONTEXT OF GOAL SETTING. 
          UM, RON EARLIER TOUCHED ON JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST TRANSITION. 
          UM, AND SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, STAFF IS AWARE OF. 
          IT'S SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL HAS DISCUSSED, AND I THINK AS RECENT AS, UM, THE MOST RECENT GOALS AND PRIORITY SETTING, UM, SO I WOULD EXPECT AS WE FURTHER REFINE THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, THE BLUEPRINT THAT WE GOT A PREVIEW OF, UM, UH, THAT WILL BE IN THE, YOU KNOW, PRIOR, HOW DO WE PRIORITIZE THAT POLICY ACROSS OTHER, UM, INITIATIVES AND PROGRAMS AND POLICIES. 
          UM, BUT IT DOES SORT OF FIT NEATLY IN THE, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, JUST SORT OF THE TRANSITION AWAY FROM CARBON. 
          UM, I DO KNOW IT'S, UH, IT HAS ITS LIMITATIONS. 
          AND SO FROM A COMMERCIAL USER SIDE, UM, I KNOW FOR OUR PARKS AND MAINTENANCE, UM, IT'S SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN TESTING OUT. 
          UM, BUT THE TECHNOLOGY ISN'T QUITE THERE. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, IT'S UM, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A JUST WAY FOR US TO TRANSITION TO, UM, ESSENTIALLY ELECTRIC, UM, LANDSCAPE EQUIPMENT, UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE EXPLORING. 
          UM, AND I SUSPECT WE WOULD DO THAT IN PARTNERSHIP WITH OUR PARTNERS AT CARB AT THIS STATE. 
          UM, HOPEFULLY THERE'S SOME, UM, SORT OF FINANCIAL INCENTIVES THAT COME MM-HMM, , UM, ALONG WITH, WITH SUCH A POLICY. 
          AWESOME. 
          THANKS. 
          YEAH, I THINK A GOAL OF SOMETHING LIKE THAT WITH THE CITY GOING TOWARDS THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WORTHY OF THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, UM, LET'S SEE, THE OTHER QUESTIONS I HAVE, UH, REVOLVE AROUND WATER, UM, THE, I'M JUST CURIOUS, THE INTEGRATED WATER MASTER PLAN, IS THAT, UM, SOMETHING THAT'S BEING WORKED ON NOW OR DOES THAT ALREADY EXIST ON, IN PROCESS? IN PROCESS AT THE MOMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IS THAT SOMETHING THIS COMMISSION WOULD REVIEW WHEN IT'S DONE, OR HOW DOES THAT I AM NOT WORKING ON IT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          WE HAVE OUR, UH, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS COMING TO THE PODIUM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          HI, PLANNING COMMISSIONERS. 
          I'M GINA BENEDETTI NIK, INTERIM DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS UTILITIES, AND THE INTEGRATED WA WATER MASTER PLAN HAS, UM, I I'D SAY IS GETTING VERY CLOSE. 
          I, UH, I DO NOT KNOW THAT WE HAD INTENDED TO BRING IT TO PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT WE CERTAINLY CAN, IF THERE'S INTEREST, THERE'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT. 
          UM, I AM ANTICIPATING, I THINK IN EARLY FALL COMPLETION WHEN WE WOULD BE READY TO, TO ROLL THAT OUT TO THE PUBLIC. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, AND I THINK IT'S ON A TENTATIVE DOCKET FOR COUNCIL IN THE FALL RIGHT NOW. 
          AWESOME. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, I THINK THIS COMMISSION WOULD BE A GOOD REVIEWING BODY FOR IT, OR AT LEAST TO BE AWARE OF IT. 
          GREAT. 
          IF POSSIBLE. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU GOT IT. 
          MM-HMM, . 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, LET'S SEE, THE OTHER THING I JUST, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I'M WONDERING IF MADE IT INTO THE GENERAL PLANNER, OR AT LEAST CONSIDERATION IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, IT'S, THIS IS, UH, SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN SAFETY AND, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE ROGERS CREEK FAULT IS SET TO, UH, BLOW ANY DAY NOW AT A 7.0 OR HIGHER, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S OVERDUE. 
          SO THAT WOULD, IT COULD, BECAUSE, UM, A LOT OF OUR WATER PIPES GO THROUGH THE, UM, CITY OF 
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SANTA ROSA AREA AND THE FAULT GOES THROUGH THAT AREA ALSO. 
          IT'S VERY POSSIBLE WE COULD BE CUT OFF FROM THE SONOMA RESOURCE, SONOMA AQUEDUCT, YOU KNOW, AND HAVE, UM, NONE OF THEIR WATER SUPPLY COMING TO OUR CITY. 
          AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF, UH, OUR GROUNDWATER RESOURCES, OUR WELL WATER WOULD SUSTAIN US FOR ENOUGH TIME WHILE THAT GETS REBUILT. 
          I DUNNO IF ANYONE KNOWS THAT ANSWER, BUT I'M JUST THINKING IT, MAYBE IT SHOULD BE, IT COULD BE THOUGHT ABOUT AND INCLUDED IN SOME SORT OF, YOU KNOW, GENERAL PLAN, UM, CONSIDERATION. 
          YEAH. 
          SOME OF THE, UH, PROPOSED POLICIES IN THE GROUNDWATER SECTION AND THE POTABLE WATER SUPPLY SECTION ARE TRYING TO EXPLORE THAT. 
          UM, THERE'S A KNOWN, IF TAKING THE STEP BACK FROM THE, THE CATASTROPHIC SITUATION, THERE'S A KNOWN, UM, CONNECTION CHALLENGE WHERE, UM, THE PRODUCTION WELLS, THESE BACKUP PRODUCTION WELLS FOR THE CITY THAT ARE TYPICALLY ONLY USED IN DROUGHT SCENARIOS, WERE PRETTY MUCH LOCATED IN ONE PART OF THE CITY. 
          AND THERE'S A PROJECT UNDERWAY TO IMPROVE GROUNDWATER PRODUCTION CAPABILITY ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE CITY. 
          UM, THERE'S SOME OTHER POLICIES IN THERE TRYING TO EXPLORE THAT QUESTION OF WHAT AUGMENTATION TO THE TREATMENT STORAGE AND DELIVERY OF THE GROUNDWATER RESOURCES WOULD BE REQUIRED TO, UM, ADDRESS ONE OF THE, AN IMPACT LIKE THAT. 
          UM, AND IT'S ALSO IN, IN LIGHT OF PART OF THE RESTRUCTURED AGREEMENT WITH SONOMA WATER IS THAT THERE IS THIS TARGET OF, UH, HOW MUCH THE CITY INTENDS TO BE SUPPO RECEIVING FROM SONOMA WATER VERSUS HOW MUCH IT INTENDS TO BE PRODUCING BY ITSELF, UM, AND EXPLORING WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS FOR THAT. 
          I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF INTEREST IN, IN POTENTIAL GROUNDWATER BANKING. 
          UM, SO BEING, IF WE WERE TO USE GROUNDWATER MORE, UM, REGULARLY DURING NON DROUGHT SCENARIOS, HOW DO YOU ENSURE THAT THAT'S NOT COMING INTO CONFLICT WITH THE GOALS THAT ARE SET BY THE GROUNDWATER SUSTAINABILITY PLAN THAT'S NOW APPROVED AT THE STATE? UM, AND THAT'S ALSO BEING STUDIED AS A PART OF THIS PLAN IS TO LOOK AT WHAT IS THE ABILITY OF OUR AQUIFER UNDERNEATH US TO SUPPORT OUR NEEDS, BOTH IN THE EMERGENCY SITUATION, BUT ALSO FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD, OR EVEN AS A MORE REGULAR AUGMENTATION TO OUR POTABLE WATER SUPPLY, RATHER THAN JUST BEING 95 TO A HUNDRED PERCENT ON THE AQUEDUCT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, BUT I, I THINK THAT'S, UH, I THINK THAT INTEREST IS COVERED IN SOME OF THE POLICIES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IN HERE, BUT WOULD DEFINITELY WANT SOME, UH, INPUT IF YOU THINK THEY NEED TO BE MODIFIED OR, OR STRENGTHENED. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, UM, I THINK DEFINITELY HAVING A GOAL OF HAVING MORE, UM, UH, WELLS INSTALLED ON THE WEST SIDE WITH, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE TO PIPE THAT WATER OUT TO PEOPLE IN THE CASE OF EMERGENCY MIGHT BE WORTH CONSIDERING OR AT LEAST A PLAN FOR IT. 
          UM, 'CAUSE I THINK DURING THE TIME OF THIS, UH, GENERAL PLAN, I WOULD BE REAL KIND OF SURPRISED IF THERE WAS JUST NO MOVEMENT ON THAT FAULT. 
          SO, UM, BUT YEAH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS CONCERNING TO ME. 
          UM, LET'S SEE. 
          WAS THERE ANY OTHER WATER THINGS THAT I HAD? UM, UM, I THINK THAT'S, UM, ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE ON WATER. 
          THE OTHER, I JUST HAD ONE QUESTION ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FRAMEWORK AND THAT IS, UM, WAS THERE ANY, UM, TALK ABOUT, UM, ENCOURAGING? I DIDN'T SEE IT WRITTEN IN THERE, ENCOURAGING COMMERCIAL, UM, AND PUBLIC SPACES ALONG THE RIVERFRONT. 
          I KNOW WE'VE ALWAYS HAD THAT AS OUR RIVERFRONT POLICY, BUT I JUST DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THE GENERAL FRAMEWORK FOR THE GENERAL PLAN, UNLESS I MISSED IT SOMEWHERE. 
          THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION AND I'M PRETTY SURE IT'S IN THERE. 
          GIMME ONE SECOND. 
          YEAH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S IN THERE. 
          'CAUSE IT'S SUPER IMPORTANT. 
          I THINK SO, AS RON IS PULLING THAT UP, I MIGHT MENTION THERE ARE OTHER EXISTING CITY REGS AND DOCUMENTS. 
          SO THE RIVER ENHANCEMENT PLAN COMES TO MIND. 
          MM-HMM. 
          AND SO, UM, NOTHING WOULD BE TAKEN AWAY FROM ANY EXISTING PLANS AND POLICIES WITH THE ADOPTION OF A NEW JOURNAL. 
          OKAY. 
          CALL OUT ACTION. 
          UH, 4.1 0.1. 
          WHAT, WHAT IS THAT? I THINK THIS IS, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT 4.1, GROW HOTEL STAYS IN TOURISM ACTION, 4.1 0.1 AT LEAST SAYS INITIATED FOCUS PROCESS TO IDENTIFY AND LEVERAGE OPPORTUNITIES TO AMPLIFY THE ROLE OF PETALUMA RIVER AND ATTRACTING VISITORS AND RETAIL USES. 
          OKAY. 
          I GUESS THAT'S, THAT'S, THERE'S ALSO 4.4 0.1. 
          UM, THERE'S A COUPLE IN THAT DESTINATION, UM, AS IT WELLS 4 6 4, THERE'S SEVERAL REFERENCES TO IT. 
          SO IT'S VERY MUCH TOP OF MIND WHEN THINKING ABOUT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT 
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STRATEGY. 
          OKAY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , AS WE'VE DISCUSSED WITH LOTS OF CCBS, THE RIVER PLAYS MANY CENTRAL ROLES WITHIN THE CITY. 
          MM-HMM. 
           ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          GOOD ONE OF THEM. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THAT SPOT, BUT, SO THAT, THAT COVERS THAT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER ATKISSON. 
          I'LL, I'LL SAVE MY COMMENTS FOR OUR PRESENTATION AND I'LL JUST SAY IF ANYONE HAD, UH, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THE BLUE OR RED WRITING IN THE DRAFTS WE PRODUCED. 
          UH, I WILL HAVE DISCUSSION POINTS FOR THOSE AS WELL DURING OUR PRESENTATION. 
          'CAUSE WE WANNA GET SOME CONSENSUS ON SOME OF THOSE. 
          SO, COUNCIL MEMBER, I JUST HAVE A FEW BECAUSE, UM, WHEN THE PRESENTATION IS, THEN I'LL HAVE MORE COMMENTS. 
          UM, I, I JUST WANNA GO BACK TO THE LEAF BLOWER. 
          THERE IS A LAW THAT WE CAN'T BE SELLING GAS, UM, BLOWERS, I THINK IN, IS IT 2025? 2026? I THINK IT'S ALREADY IN IMPLEMENTED AS IN JANUARY 1ST, 2024. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT YEAH, STATEWIDE. 
          BUT WHAT CAN'T, BUT THEY CAN STILL USE THE GAS. 
          THEY, THAT'S WHAT'S NOT ELIMINATED. 
          STILL USE OR GET IT FROM AMAZON OR TRAVEL ACROSS STATE LINES. 
          DEFINITELY. 
          RIGHT, EXACTLY. 
          SO THAT'S A PROBLEM BECAUSE WE DID HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT BANNING THEM, BUT THEN THERE'S OTHER PROBLEMS, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE DONE. 
          UM, AND I JUST WANNA GO BACK TO WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT LIKE THE SMART AND VIBRATION. 
          YOU'RE NOT REALLY TALKING ABOUT TRUCKS AND VIBRATION ALSO BECAUSE WHEN THE POWERS THAT BE DECIDED THAT ONE 16 WAS NOW GONNA BE USING CAULFIELD AND MCDOWELL, THAT'S A LOT OF TRUCKS THAT ARE GOING INTO RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF VIBRATION FROM THAT. 
          AND WE NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION OR SOMETHING PUT IN TO THE GENERAL PLAN HOW WE'RE GOING TO MITIGATE THAT. 
          'CAUSE IT CAN, PART OF IT CAN BE MITIGATED. 
          UM, AND THE OTHER THING WE WERE TALKING ABOUT NOISE. 
          ARE THERE ANY STATE LAWS BECAUSE YOU HAVE THESE NEW BRAND NEW MUSCLE CARS THAT YOU CAN TURN IT DIAL AND THE MUFFLER CAN GO LOUD OR YOU CAN TURN IT DOWN AND THEN THE MUFFLER'S NOT LOUD. 
          ARE THERE LAWS THAT PROHIBIT THAT OR THAT CITIES CAN ACTUALLY PUT POLICY TO PROHIBIT? UM, TURNING THAT MUFFLER SOUND LOUD. 
          I'M READY FOR IT. 
          JOSH, ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY YEAH, SO CALIFORNIA VEHICLE CODE DOES HAVE, UM, NOISE LIMITS AND SO, UM, LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT, YOU KNOW, COULD CERTAINLY ENFORCE, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE'S DONE LIKE AN AFTERMARKET MODIFICATION TO THEIR EXHAUST SYSTEM. 
          CERTAINLY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IT'S, OKAY. 
          SO IT'S MORE OF A CITY THAT WOULD HAVE TO IMPLEMENT THIS. 
          THE CALIFORNIA VEHICLE CODE HAS THOSE STANDARDS, SO, UM, AND I THINK THE CITY, UM, YOU KNOW, ENFORCEMENT CAN, CAN, IS ABLE TO ENFORCE THOSE, YOU KNOW, IF, I SUPPOSE IF THE CITY WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY HAVE A POLICY OR ACTION ITEM AROUND, THEN YOU COULD CERTAINLY CONSIDER THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, MM-HMM, , THERE WAS, UM, OH, ONE OTHER THING. 
          OH, WHAT, WHAT CAN YOU GIMME, UM, SPECIFICS ON SPECIAL EVENTS? IS IT A ONE DAY EVENT OR IF SOMEBODY HAS 43 DAYS OUT OF THE YEAR? SO FOR NOISE? SO YEAH, AS, AS ACTION, NOI 3.3 0.1 IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN. 
          UM, IT DOESN'T DEFINE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF, OF DAYS FOR DURATION. 
          UM, SO IT COULD BE SOMETHING WE YOU CONSIDER DEFINING SPECIFICALLY JUST DEFINING SPECIAL EVENTS A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, WE MIGHT ALSO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT OUR, SOME OF OUR CURRENT DEFINITIONS OF SPECIAL EVENTS. 
          JUST SEE IF WE CAN LIKE JUST PULL THEM TOGETHER. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND ON THE INTERNET ACCESS, YOU KNOW, FOR EQUITY, UM, WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE CITY, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THE COUNTY SHOULD BE INCLUDED ALSO AND MAYBE THE STATE, BUT DEFINITELY THE COUNTY. 
          UM, AND THEN AS FAR AS THE WASTEWATER, WHAT, WHAT IS THE, UM, CAPACITY? LIKE AS AN EXAMPLE, UM, LAGUNITAS IS LEAVING CHICAGO, SO THEY'RE GONNA BE IN PETALUMA. 
          SO IS THERE GONNA BE MORE OF A BIOMASS THAT'S GONNA BE GOING INTO THE FACILITY AND HOW IS THAT HANDLED? IS IT HANDLED OFFSITE AND THEN GOES TO THE FACILITY? OR IS IT GONNA BE HANDLED AT THE FACILITY? ELLIS CREEK, DOESN'T LAGUNITAS HAVE THEIR OWN TREATMENT OF SOME SORT ON SITE? I THINK THEY DO. 
          YES, 
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THEY DO. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, CHELSEA THOMPSON, I BELIEVE, OR DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES IS VISITING WITH US ON ZOOM AND I THINK CAN RESPOND TO THAT AND MIGHT ALSO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, UH, TO SUPPLEMENT, UM, SEBASTIAN'S RESPONSES TO COMMISSIONER ROLAND'S QUESTIONS ABOUT WASTEWATER AND RECYCLE WATER CAPACITIES. 
          SO THANKS CHELSEA. 
          YEAH, THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO WE ACTUALLY JUST LEARNED LAST WEEK ABOUT THE CHICAGO PLANT CLOSING. 
          UM, AND THAT LANITA IS, PRODUCTION IN PETALUMA IS PLANNED TO INCREASE BY 40%. 
          WE DON'T HAVE A TIMELINE FOR THAT. 
          UM, BUT THEY DO HAVE AN ONSITE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. 
          AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY DISPOSE OF THEIR SOLIDS FROM THAT PLANT. 
          UM, BUT THEY, IT'S NOT, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE COMING TO, TO PMA, AT LEAST NOT AT THIS TIME. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE TO THE, TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT INCREASE IN WATER DEMAND THAT ADDITIONAL PRODUCTION WILL LOOK LIKE, BUT WE WON'T BE RECEIVING THEIR, THEIR WASTEWATER, UM, RIGHT WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY PLAN TO MOVE TO PIMA OR INCREASE PRODUCTION. 
          SO IT WON'T BE IMMEDIATE THAT WE TAKE IT. 
          UM, AND THEN IN TERMS OF, YEAH, JUST EXPANDING ON THE RECYCLED WATER QUESTIONS. 
          UM, RIGHT NOW DURING SOME OF THE PEAK SUMMER MONTHS, RECY, UM, ELLIS CREEK IS RECYCLING AL OR REUSING ALMOST ALL OF ITS RECYCLED WATER. 
          UM, WE'RE GOING THROUGH A PROJECT RIGHT NOW WHICH WILL BE COMPLETED NEXT YEAR FOR THE IRRIGATION SEASON TO BE ABLE TO TREAT MORE RECYCLED WATER TO TERTIARY, UM, TREATED STANDARDS SO THAT WE CAN, UM, PROVIDE ADDITIONAL WATER TO TO, TO NEW CUSTOMERS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. 
          AND THEN THE INTEGRATED WATER MASTER PLAN IS LOOKING AT, UM, ADDITIONAL URBAN CUSTOMERS. 
          WE WILL REVIEW THE RESIDENTIAL SECTOR AS, UM, POTENTIAL FOR CONNECTING, BUT AGAIN, SINCE SEBASTIAN MENTIONED A LOT OF THE RESIDENTIAL PARCELS ARE A LOT SMALLER, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT COST EFFECTIVENESS, UM, AND KIND OF O AND M NEEDS, UM, INTO THE FUTURE WHEN WE LOOK AT EXPANDING RECYCLED WATER PIPELINE IS ALSO, UM, AND ALSO REGULATORY, UM, REQUIREMENTS NEED TO BE LOOKED AT, UM, FOR THE RESIDENTIAL SECTOR WHEN WE SERVE RECYCLED WATER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO WHEN, BACK TO THE LAGUNITAS, SO IF THEY'RE GOING TO INCREASE BY 40%, ARE YOU SAYING 40% MORE WA POTABLE WATER WILL BE NEEDED? AND HOW DOES THAT GET CALCULATED INTO THE OVERALL HOW MUCH POTABLE WATER WE'LL HAVE SO WE CAN GROW? WE HAVE NOT HAD THAT CONVERSATION. 
          I HAVE NOT HAD THAT CONVERSATION YET WITH YELLOW ANITAS. 
          UM, LAST WEEK WAS THE FIRST THAT WE HEARD FROM 'EM. 
          OUR PROCUREMENT INSPECTORS HEARD FROM THEM THAT THEY WILL BE CLOSING THE PLANT. 
          SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO REACH OUT TO THEM TO LEARN WHAT THEIR ADDITIONAL, UM, WATER USE IS GONNA BE. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          AND I'M GLAD THEY'RE COMING BACK. 
          I JUST HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS AND THEN I WON'T DELAY THE PRESENTATION ANY FURTHER. 
          AND JUST AS A REMINDER FOR COMMISSIONERS, FEEL FREE TO ASK THE FULL VOLLEY OF QUESTIONS FOLLOWING THE PRESENTATIONS ON THE ECONOMIC FRAMEWORK, WHETHER IT INCLUDES THE AD HOC COMMITTEE OR STAFF. 
          I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO FEEL LIMITED IF THEY SUDDENLY HAVE A QUESTION OR AN IDEA. 
          UM, JUST TO COVER A FEW THINGS, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE WORKING ON THAT YOU'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON A WATER UNIFIED WATER MANAGEMENT PLAN. 
          HOW HELPFUL THEN IS FEEDBACK FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION FROM THE GENERAL PLAN PROCESS ON THAT? OR IS IT MORE OF SOMETHING THAT'S BEING KIND OF BUILT IN ITS OWN DATA SILO THAT WILL INFORM THE GENERAL PLAN ONCE IT'S FINISHED? JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHICH IS DEPENDENT ON WHICH I SEE THE HEAD NODDING. 
          THAT IS AN EXCELLENT CHICKEN AND EGG QUESTION. 
          UH, IN, IN FACT, THE INTEGRATED WATER MASTER PLAN THAT WE'RE WORKING ON, UH, WAS INITIALLY GOING TO BE COMPLETE BY NOW. 
          AND WE, UM, SLOWED DOWN PROGRESS INTENTIONALLY SO THAT WE COULD INCORPORATE, UM, THE, UH, LAND USE ALTERNATIVES PROCESS FROM THE GENERAL PLAN SO THAT WE WEREN'T BLINDLY AND MM-HMM. 
          , YOU KNOW, UM, WORKING WITHOUT THAT INFORMATION. 
          SO IT'S, 
          [01:50:01]
UM, IT, IT'S A HANDSHAKE BETWEEN THE TWO AND WE ARE DELIBERATELY BRINGING THEM UP SIDE BY SIDE SO THAT WE CAN, UH, UTILIZE INFORMATION BOTH WAYS. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IT'S JUST GOOD TO KNOW THAT REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S OUR INPUT OR ANOTHER CCB, BUT PUBLIC INPUT IS GOING TO FUNNEL INTO THIS PROCESS ABSOLUTELY. 
          THE WAY IT IS. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, AND, AND I MISSPOKE EARLIER WHEN I SAID I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS COMING TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND I WAS CORRECTED BY MY STAFF THAT IN FACT THERE IS A FULL STAKEHOLDER AND PLANNING COMMISSION PROCESS PLANNED FOR THAT, FOR THAT WATER PLAN, SO, OH, GREAT. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN THERE'S KIND OF AN OFFHANDED QUESTION RAISED DURING THE INFRASTRUCTURE, UTILITY AND INFRASTRUCTURE PRESENTATION ABOUT HOW INVOLVED THE CITY WANTS TO GET IN DECARBONIZING OUR UTILITY CONNECTIONS. 
          AND I WAS WONDERING, IS THAT A QUESTION THAT HAS TO BE OPENLY ANSWERED OR AT LEAST HAVE THE ANSWER INFORMED BY THE GENERAL PLAN ITSELF? OR IS IT, WILL IT END UP BEING MORE ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED WITH THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN THAT'S SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW OR AT LEAST HAPPEN IN CONCERT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN? I THINK IT'S BOTH. 
          UM, SO ENSURING THAT THE GENERAL PLAN WHICH PROJECTS OUT 25 YEARS, UM, THAT VISION, UM, YOU KNOW, A PILLAR OF THAT VISION IS, YOU KNOW, TO BE CARBON NEUTRAL AND TO, UM, TO GO TO ELECTRIFICATION AND CLEAN ENERGY. 
          SO THAT ONLY HELPS THE, YOU KNOW, 5, 10, 15 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD MM-HMM. 
           AS PROJECTS COME COME UP OR DISCUSSIONS AROUND, UH, PLANNING SURFACE, UM, IT'S HELPFUL TO HAVE THAT BEACON MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, UH, KNOWING THE, UM, URGENCY OF THE CLIMATE FRAMEWORK, UM, THAT COUNCIL HAD HAD ADOPTED A FEW YEARS BACK, UM, IT'LL MORE RECENTLY COME THROUGH, UH, THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. 
          UM, AND SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING ELECTRIC, BUILDING ELECTRIFICATION, UM, MAYBE LESS RELIANCE ON, UM, FOSSIL FUEL, UM, GAS, NATURAL GAS, ET CETERA. 
          NO, THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          YEAH. 
          THE, THE THING I'M TRYING TO, THE, THE, I GUESS THE ANSWER I'M TRYING TO GET TO IS, WILL THERE BE A MOMENT, WHETHER IT'S FOR GPAC OR THROUGH ONE OF THE MANY PUBLIC FORUMS AND EVENTS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT ON THROUGH THIS PROCESS WHERE THIS QUESTION GETS TO BE POSED MORE DIRECTLY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LAND USE MORE BROADLY SPEAKING THROUGH ALL OF THESE ELEMENTS AS WE GO THROUGH THEM, WE WILL HAVE THE ACTUAL LAND USE ELEMENT. 
          I'M SURE GPAC HAS BEEN GOING THROUGH A LOT OF THESE INDIVIDUAL ELEMENTS WITHOUT THAT NECESSARILY BEING TOP OF MIND. 
          AND IT'S ONE OF THOSE UNIFYING QUESTIONS THAT I'M JUST WONDERING 'CAUSE THOSE MEETINGS REALLY AREN'T RECORDED, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT DISCUSSIONS LOOK LIKE. 
          HAS THAT BEEN ASKED IMPOSED? AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S KIND OF DRIVING SOME OF THE WORK BEING DONE IN THAT AREA? IT'S BEEN ASKED, UM, IT'LL BE EVEN MORE DISCUSSED, UM, AS PART OF THE ACTION PLAN FOR CLIMATE NEUTRALITY. 
          OKAY. 
          OR CARBON NEUTRALITY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AS TO AN OPPORTUNITY NOW, UM, SO WE PULLED DIRECTLY FROM THE EMERGENCY FRAMEWORK, UM, THIS 2030 GOAL OF FULL DECARBONIZATION OF CITY BUILDINGS. 
          IF I COULD POINT YOU TO 8.1 0.4 AND 8.145, THOSE ARE KIND OF DIRECT REQUESTS TO THE GENERAL COMMUNITY AND SPECIFICALLY, UH, THIS BODY OF HOW STRICT AS A PLANNING TOOL, HOW STRICT SHOULD DECARBONIZATION BE FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS WITHIN THE CITY? AND THAT DECARBONIZATION COULD BE, UM, IT'S, IT'S LEFT PRETTY OPEN-ENDED MM-HMM. 
           IN TERMS OF SHOULD, IS THAT ACCOMPLISHED BY THE APPLICATION? UH, COMMITTING TO SONOMA CLEAN POWER? THEY'RE ALL RENEWABLES, YOU KNOW, POWER SERVICE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , IS IT A, UH, MEETING A NET ZERO ONSITE PRODUCTION THROUGH THEIR OWN RENEWABLES? THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT STRATEGIES TO KIND OF CHECK THAT BOX OF, OF DECARBONIZED UH, PROPERTY. 
          THOSE, TO ME, UH, THOSE COME UP AS SOME OF THE, THE BIGGER QUESTIONS OF HOW FORCEFUL AND HOW RAPID A DECARBONIZATION OF PRIVATE PROJECTS, UM, HOW, HOW MUCH SHOULD THAT BE PRIORITIZED SO THAT, THAT THOSE TWO THERE ARE ARE SPECIFIC REQUESTS TO INPUT FOR, UM, IS THAT THE APPROPRIATE LEVEL OF, OF, UH, RIGOR IN THE STANDARD. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          WELL, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LIVELY COMMENT SECTION WHEN WE GET TO IT. 
          UM, 
          [01:55:01]
AND THEN I JUST WANNA TOUCH ON THIS. 
          I, I SUSPECT THIS HASN'T BEEN BROUGHT UP ENOUGH IN OTHER CCBS, BUT I'VE JUST, I'VE APPRECIATE THAT BROADBAND AND WIRELESS INFRASTRUCTURE HAS BEEN INCLUDED, THOUGH A BIT TACKED ON, UH, JUST BECAUSE THERE'S VERY LITTLE, WHETHER YOU'RE A STUDENT OR AN ADULT THAT YOU CAN DO AT THIS POINT ANYWHERE, LET ALONE IN THE CITY OF PETALUMA WITHOUT STRONG, WE INTERNET CONNECTIONS AND A GOOD CHUNK OF THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE IT. 
          UH, I APPRECIATE WHERE A LOT OF THESE POLICIES INTEND TO GO, AND I UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE TO BE GENERALIZED, ESPECIALLY AROUND, UH, ESPECIALLY AROUND HOW YOU HAVE, HOW YOU HAVE BACKUPS DURING AN EMERGENCY, THE DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLY FORMING OUR OWN UTILITY FOR AREAS THAT AREN'T WELL SERVED. 
          UM, BUT, AND IT, IT SOUNDS AMBITIOUS THAT IT SAYS A LOT OF THE RIGHT THINGS, BUT MY QUESTION FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT, HOW IS, DOES THE CITY INTEND TO GOVERN AND TRACK THIS EACH YEAR AS THEY'RE LOOKING AT, WELL, WHAT GETS COVERED IN BUILDING CODE, WHAT GETS COVERED THROUGH PROGRAMS AND POLICIES FROM YEAR TO YEAR WHEN ENDS UP IN BUDGET? IF ONLY BECAUSE, UH, IT, IT'S EASY TO TALK ABOUT REQUIRING CERTAIN STANDARDS, HAVING BEEN A RENTER IN MANY UNITS AROUND TOWN, I CAN TELL YOU THEY WILL SAY A GREAT DEAL ABOUT THE WIFI THEY PROVIDE ONLY FOR YOU TO FIND OUT THAT YOU'RE PAYING FOR YOU, YOU'RE PAYING FOR A PRIVATE UTILITY TO FIND A WAY TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION HAPPEN. 
          UM, I I JUST QUESTION HOW THE CITY'S GONNA TRACK THIS. 
          GIVEN THE NUMBER OF THINGS THE CITY HAS ON ITS PLATE RIGHT NOW. 
          IS THERE A TOOL OTHER CITIES USE TO MEASURE AND TO TRACK PROGRAMMING TO IMPROVE BROADBAND THROUGHOUT THEIR CITIES THAT WE WOULD BE ADOPTING? OR DO YOU ALREADY HAVE SOMETHING IN MIND? AND ALSO FROM A PLANNING COMMISSION STANDPOINT, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF BUILDING CODE, IN TERMS OF THE IZO? BECAUSE THAT'S NOT REALLY SOMETHING WE GRAPPLE WITH AT ALL CURRENTLY. 
          SO I'M JUST CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT YOU WOULD SUSPECT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. 
          I'LL HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT. 
          OUR, OUR, UH, THE, THE PERSON THAT WORKS ON THAT IN OUR OFFICE IS IN THE SAN FRANCISCO OFFICE AND I'LL HAVE TO GO, THEY'RE THE GEEK ON THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          LIKELY. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          I'M KIDDING. 
          OKAY. 
          APPRECIATE THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, AND THAT REALLY ENDS THE QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR RIGHT NOW. 
          I DO HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FRAMEWORK, BUT I WANNA LET THE AD HOC START THAT PRESENTATION BEFORE DIVING IN. 
          SO IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, TAKE IT AWAY. 
          ALRIGHT, WELL YEAH, WE CAN GO RIGHT INTO IT. 
          SO LET ME SHARE MY SCREEN. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          SO THIS IS THE GENERAL PLAN FRAMEWORK ANALYSIS BY OUR AD HOC COMMITTEE TWO. 
          SO THAT'S JANICE, ROGER, MYSELF. 
          UH, AS A COUPLE PIECES HERE, I JUST WANNA POINT OUT, WE DID GET FEEDBACK FROM SANDY POTTER, ONE OF OUR PAST PLANNING COMMISSIONERS ON THE WATER SECTION, WHICH WAS REALLY INVALUABLE. 
          WE GOT A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM OUR CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, WHICH IS REALLY INVALUABLE IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SECTION. 
          UH, FOR BROADBAND, WE HAD A, UH, UH, A CALL OUT TO JOSHUA SIMMONS TO GET HIM INVOLVED AS KIND OF A TECHNOLOGY EXPERT. 
          AND UNFORTUNATELY IT DIDN'T QUITE TIME OUT. 
          AND I'LL ALSO POINT OUT WE GOT SOME GREAT RESPONSES ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO, SENT SOME OF OUR REALLY EARLY NOTES TO STAFF BECAUSE AS YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED FROM OUR DOCUMENT, THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND CONTEXT PIECES AND WE GOT THAT RESPONSE TODAY AT LIKE ONE OR TWO O'CLOCK, SO I WOULD'VE LOVED TO HAVE THAT BECAUSE IT MIGHT HAVE LIGHTENED THE LOAD OF SOME OF THIS DRAFT. 
          UM, BUT THAT IS THERE. 
          SO IT'LL BE INTEGRATED INTO THE KIND OF CONTEXT OF OUR, OUR GROUP'S ANALYSIS. 
          UM, BUT I WILL JUST DIVE RIGHT INTO IT. 
          SO THE FIRST PIECE, THIS IS SOMETHING WE JUST AS A GROUP DISCUSSED IN INTERPRETING THESE MANY DIFFERENT FRAMEWORKS OF THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          THIS IS SOMETHING I THINK THE TEAMS HAVE ALL DONE A GREAT JOB EXPLORING EVERY TIME WE GET A FRAMEWORK INTRODUCED BY STAFF. 
          UH, THE FIRST ONE, FLEXIBILITY THAT IS, YOU KNOW, DON'T BE TOO PRESCRIPTIVE IN THESE PLANS. 
          ALLOW FOR FLEXIBILITY AND HOW GOALS ARE ACHIEVED. 
          HOLISTIC REVIEW, THAT IS WHEN WE LOOK AT WHETHER A PROPOSED POLICY OR INITIATIVE MEETS OUR GENERAL PLAN GOALS, TRY TO REALLY THINK ABOUT ALL THE GOALS, NOT CHERRY PICK JUST THE ONES THAT SUPPORT A GIVEN DIRECTION. 
          UH, TH THIS NEXT ONE ABOUT REPETITION, IT'S A TERM ACTUALLY ANDREW BROUGHT UP POLICY ECHOES AND THAT IS, WE THOUGHT THERE WAS SOME VALUE WHEN THINGS ARE MENTIONED SOMEWHERE LIKE WE'LL GET TO AN INFRASTRUCTURE WITH ROADS. 
          UH, AND I KNOW THAT THEY'RE MENTIONED IN TRANSPORTATION, BUT WE THOUGHT THERE IS VALUE IN ECHOING THAT SOMEWHERE IN A, UH, ANCILLARY OR RELATED FRAMEWORK IN THAT IT EMPHASIZES HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS. 
          MAYBE 
          [02:00:01]
CALLS OUT A CONNECTION, TIES THEM TOGETHER A LITTLE BIT. 
          NOW OBVIOUSLY FRAMEWORKS IS A VERY KIND OF BROAD BRAINSTORMING EXERCISE IN A WAY FOR THE EVENTUAL ELEMENTS, BUT WE THOUGHT WE SAW VALUE IN THAT. 
          UH, ANOTHER BIG ONE THAT KEPT COMING UP WAS SENSE OF PLACE, HOW TO ESTABLISH SENSE OF PLACE, HOW MUCH THAT GOES INTO SO MUCH DECISION MAKING, ESPECIALLY ON THE ECONOMIC SIDE. 
          UH, AS I'VE ALREADY SAID, WE ALSO CALL OR OR POINTED OUT REFERENCES TO OUTSIDE DOCUMENTS. 
          I THINK YOU COULD PUT ALSO AGENCIES AND THAT GOES A LITTLE BIT WITH MAKING THE GENERAL PLAN NOT TOO PRESCRIPTIVE. 
          AND IF THERE IS AN EXPERT DOCUMENTS SET OF STANDARDS REGULATION THAT YOU CAN REFERENCE TO HAVE US KIND OF ADHERE TO IN ORDER TO MEET A GOAL, I THINK THAT'S USUALLY THE PREFERENCE BECAUSE IT SAVES US RESTATING WHAT'S ALREADY ON THE BOOK SOMEWHERE ELSE OR A BEST PRACTICE SOMEWHERE ELSE IN OUR GENERAL PLAN. 
          AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS JUST THIS DISCUSSION. 
          WE'VE HAD A LOT ABOUT GOAL SETTING. 
          IS IT PERCENTAGES OR AGAIN, I STOLE FROM UH, ANDREW TRIPLE, IT CAN BE HERE. 
          BUT WHAT DOES SUCCESS LOOK LIKE? THAT BASIC QUESTION OF HOW DO WE REALLY ESTABLISH WHAT SUCCESS LOOKS LIKE? AND YOU CAN SEE IN THE DRAFT, WE KIND OF GRAPPLE WITH THAT IN A COUPLE DIFFERENT SECTIONS. 
          UH, SO THE FIRST ONE, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FRAMEWORK, AS YOU GUYS PROBABLY SAW, THERE WERE KIND OF RED LINE ITEMS, WHICH WERE DIRECT UPDATES, BROAD QUESTIONS, CONTEXT PIECES. 
          AND THEN WE HAD OUR LIGHT BLUE AREAS, WHICH WERE KIND OF EMERGING THEMES THAT WE TRIED TO ASSOCIATE TO SIMPLIFY DISCUSSION. 
          AND THOSE COULD REALLY BE SUMMARIZED HERE FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FRAMEWORK. 
          UH, THE FIRST ONE WAS AFFIRMATIVE CITY LEADERSHIP. 
          THIS WAS SOMEONE, SOMETHING THAT WAS REALLY EMPHASIZED, UH, BY THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, WE WERE AT A GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS COMMITTEE MEETING WITH OUR AD HOC AND IT TURNED INTO KIND OF A, AN INGRID VERDE FAN CLUB BECAUSE THEY WERE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE ROLE SHE HAS IN BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT AND THEY WANTED TO SEE THAT CONTINUE AND EXPAND. 
          THEY SAW A LOT OF VALUE IN THAT. 
          IT ALSO STOOD OUT WHEN YOU REVIEW THE GOALS AND POLICIES AS PRESENTED IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FRAMEWORK. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF ANALYSIS, A LOT OF KEEPING TRACK OF INDUSTRIES OR GOALS OR ECONOMIC TRENDS AND WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE KIND OF HAD CAPACITY THERE. 
          AND YOU'LL SEE WHERE THERE ARE A COUPLE OF AREAS WHERE WE THOUGHT THERE MIGHT BE ACTIONS THAT COULD EVEN GO UNDER IF THERE WAS A NEW GOAL FOR KIND OF THIS AFFIRMATIVE CITY LEADERSHIP. 
          THAT EXACT PHRASE I TOOK FROM THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, UH, REVISIONS TO THIS DOCUMENT. 
          UM, WE THOUGHT THAT WAS A REALLY BIG DISCUSSION POINT. 
          IF THIS GROUP THINKS THAT WE SHOULD STATE THAT AS A DEFINITIVE GOAL AND KIND OF BUILD THAT OUT MORE, UH, OR, OR HOW WE SEE THAT TOPIC. 
          THE NEXT ONE WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS MENTIONED ALSO BY THE CHAMBER. 
          UM, AND THAT'S INDUSTRY SPECIFIC MENTIONS IN THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          THIS IS A HUGE ONE. 
          I THINK AS A GROUP, OUR INSTINCT WAS THAT SPECIFICITY DOESN'T HURT AS LONG AS IT'S NOT EXCLUSIONARY. 
          UH, BECAUSE WE DO CALL OUT IN SOME AREAS, CERTAIN INDUSTRIES THAT, THAT WE WANT TO FOCUS ON OR INCENTIVIZE. 
          IN PETALUMA, THERE WAS FROM THE BUSINESS, BROAD BUSINESS COMMUNITY IS LIKE, LOOK, WE DON'T WANNA PUSH PEOPLE AWAY. 
          ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INHERENTLY IS GOOD AND INCREASES QUALITY OF LIFE. 
          SO WE DON'T WANNA MAKE PEOPLE FEEL EXCLUDED. 
          SO THAT'S AN IMPORTANT ONE THAT WE THOUGHT WA WAS AN INTERESTING BALANCE TO HIT. 
          UH, THE THIRD PIECE, AGRICULTURE. 
          SO THIS ONE CAME UP A LOT IN DISCUSSIONS, CAME UP WITH THE CHAMBER, ALSO CAME UP WITH OUR GROUP I THINK IN, IN UH, NO SMALL PART BECAUSE WE HAD SOME OF THIS COME UP IN LAND USE DISCUSSIONS AND OTHER AREAS. 
          AND IT IS MENTIONED I BELIEVE IN, UH, POLICY 1.8 ECOLOGICALLY SUSTAINABLE BUSINESSES OR 1.6. 
          UM, AND WE JUST WERE GRAPPLING WITH WHERE DOES THIS GO? WHAT IS REALLY THE CITY'S ROLE? YOU KNOW, WE POSITED KIND OF A SEPARATE GOAL BECAUSE WE HAD SO MANY NOTES ABOUT IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE, HOW MUCH IT SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON IN HERE AND I WANNA BUILD CONSENSUS WITH THIS GROUP. 
          UH, THE NEXT ONE WAS OFFICE BUILDINGS. 
          SO THERE'S A POLICY DEDICATED TO FOSTERING OFFICE BUILDING DEVELOPMENT AS A GROUP. 
          WE THOUGHT, IS THAT CONTRAINDICATED WITH WHERE THE ECONOMY IS NOW? DO WE WANNA REALLY FOCUS ON THAT IN OUR GENERAL PLAN? SO SOMETHING TO DISCUSS, UM, ED TWO ON EQUITY AND ED SIX ON NEW BUSINESSES. 
          THERE IS SOME OVERLAP THERE. 
          UM, WHEN I GET TO ED TWO, WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHAT WE THOUGHT ABOUT SOME OF THE EQUITY PIECES AND MAYBE WHERE THINGS COULD KIND OF MOVE BETWEEN THOSE TWO A LITTLE BIT. 
          UM, AND THEN FINALLY, URBAN PLANNING. 
          UH, I THINK ROGER ACTUALLY SAID IT ABOUT LIKE THESE BEAUTIFUL CORRIDORS AND STREETSCAPES WE TALK ABOUT WHEN MAKING, UH, PETALUMA A DESTINATION CITY. 
          THERE'S A POLICY ABOUT INVESTING IN DOWNTOWN. 
          SO WE THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO THINK ABOUT URBAN PLANNING TOOLS WE CAN USE TO INCENTIVIZE A MORE ROBUST ECONOMY. 
          UH, AND THEN ZONING AND LAND USE FLEXIBILITY. 
          I THINK THIS IS SOMEONE EVERYONE UP HERE KNOWS ABOUT. 
          AND THAT IS, YOU KNOW, MAKING MIXED USE DEFINITIONS BOTH IN GENERAL PLAN LAND USE AND POTENTIALLY IN THE ICOA LITTLE MORE BROAD TO MAKE IT ACCESSIBLE AND MAYBE LOOSENING SOME OF THE RETAIL REQUIREMENTS. 
          UH, AND THEN ALSO THINGS WE CAN DO IN RESIDENTIAL ZONES TO ALLOW SELECT BUSINESS USE OF HOMES, GET TO THIS COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOODS OR 15 MINUTE NEIGHBORHOODS CONCEPT AND HIT SOME OF THE GOALS ABOUT RETAIL NEAR RESIDENTIAL THAT WE FIND IN THE FRAMEWORK. 
          UH, SO GOAL ONE IS A STRONG ECONOMY. 
          AGAIN, I'M JUST HIGHLIGHTING A COUPLE POLICIES. 
          THERE'S A LOT MORE NOTES THAN THIS IN OUR DRAFT. 
          UM, POLICY ED ONE IS ABOUT TARGET MAJOR AND EMERGING INDUSTRY SECTORS. 
          AGAIN, WE BALANCED HOW MUCH WE SHOULD CALL OUT SPECIFIC INDUSTRIES VERSUS BEING WHAT I'VE DUBBED 
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INDUSTRY AGNOSTIC. 
          THAT WOULD CHANGE THIS PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY. 
          UH, THIS WAS ALSO AN AREA WHERE A LOT OF THE ACTION ITEMS REALLY FELL ON STAFF TO DO ANALYSIS, FOLLOWED TRENDS. 
          AND WE THOUGHT IT EITHER COULD BE WRAPPED INTO A BIGGER GOAL ON KIND OF THIS AFFIRMATIVE CITY LEADERSHIP, UH, PO UH, GOAL OR IT WOULD AT LEAST NECESSITATE SOME GOAL THAT BUILT OUT CAPACITY TO SUPPORT THE ACTIONS LISTED THERE. 
          UH, SKIPPING OVER TO POLICY ED 1.4, FOSTER OFFICE DEVELOPMENT. 
          THE QUESTIONS RIGHT THERE, DO WE REALLY WANT TO INCENTIVIZE MORE OFFICES? WE ALSO PUT NOTES IN THERE ABOUT MAYBE A WAY YOU COULD FOCUS THAT POLICY. 
          YOU COULD TALK ABOUT REUSING UNDERUTILIZED AREAS. 
          UH, SO WE HAD SOME MORE IDEAS THERE, BUT IT'S JUST THAT QUESTION TO GRAPPLE WITH OF IS THAT A DIRECTION THAT WE WANNA GO IN OUR GENERAL PLAN? DO WE LET THE MARKET RESPOND IF IT FEELS LIKE OFFICE BUILDINGS ARE GONNA COME BACK? UH, SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION FOR THIS GROUP. 
          AND THEN POLICY ED 1.6, ECOLOGICALLY SUSTAINABLE BUSINESSES. 
          YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S THAT INDUSTRY SPECIFIC FOR US VERSUS AGNOSTIC QUESTION, BUT THE BIG QUESTION THAT CAME OUTTA THERE IS WHERE DOES AG GO? 'CAUSE AGRICULTURE'S MENTIONED THERE, BUT THEN WE HAD SO MANY TALKING POINTS ABOUT AGRICULTURE, THE SIGNIFICANCE OF IT PROBABLY IN NO SMALL PART BECAUSE YOU HAVE DIFFERENT POLICY PIECES IN THE REGION ON THE HORIZON. 
          WE'RE JUST THINKING HOW DO WE SUPPORT THAT? AND THERE'S ALSO IMPLICATIONS FOR AGRICULTURE ABOUT THE FATE OF OPEN SPACE IN SONOMA COUNTY OUTSIDE OF OUR CITY LIMITS. 
          HOW MUCH OF OUR PLANNING IS BASED AROUND BASICALLY ECONOMICAL, ECONOMICALLY VIABLE USES OF OPEN SPACE. 
          AND RIGHT NOW THAT'S AGRICULTURE. 
          SO IF WE ANTICIPATE SHIFTS OR CHANGE, MAYBE HOW DO WE REINFORCE AND SUPPORT THAT INDUSTRY TO PRESERVE THE LAND USE THE DEVELOPMENT STYLE WE HAVE WITH U GBS AND GREEN BELTS VERSUS HOW MUCH DO WE KIND OF BE HANDS OFF BECAUSE WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A HUGE IMPACT IF THERE ARE A LOT OF FACILITIES OUTSIDE OF CITY LIMITS. 
          SO THAT'S A BIG ONE. 
          I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FEEDBACK, UM, FROM THIS GROUP AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A, IN A NEW GOAL, UH, PROPOSED. 
          SO GOAL ED TWO IS AN EQUITABLE ECONOMY. 
          THERE WERE A FEW PIECES IN HERE I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT. 
          UH, POLICY ED 2.1 DIRECTING RESOURCES TOWARD CLOSING WEALTH GAPS. 
          DEFINITELY A NOBLE GOAL THAT WE ALL KNOW IS, IS KIND OF TOP OF MIND. 
          UH, WE JUST PUT IN THERE A LOT OF OUR DISCUSSION, UH, WAS UH, YOU KNOW, ABOUT HOME OWNERSHIP AND WHAT WE CAN DO TO, IS THERE ANY POLICY WE CAN HAVE? AND I KNOW I THINK IT'S REPRESENTATIVE OR STATE CONGRESSMAN LEE WHO INTRODUCED A BILL ABOUT LIMITING CORPORATE OWNERSHIP OF HOMES. 
          IS THERE ANY PROTECTIONIST MEASURES WE CAN DO? IS THERE, IS THERE ANY POLICY WE CAN INVOKE TO TRY TO MAKE THIS NOT A PERPETUAL RENTAL LANDSCAPE BUT ALLOW PEOPLE ACCESS TO CAPITAL SOURCES TO GROW EQUITY AND AND GET INTO A HOME? THAT'S A BIG ONE TOWARD CLOSING WEALTH GAPS, OBVIOUSLY. 
          UH, SO WE KIND OF HAD THAT QUESTION PLANTED IN THERE. 
          AND THEN POLICY ED 2.3, UH, SUPPORT BIPOC OWNED BUSINESSES. 
          UH, I CALLED OUT THERE, THERE'S SOME OVERLAP WITH THIS SMALL BUSINESS AREA ED SIX, WHICH WAS A GOAL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HELPING SMALL BUSINESSES GROW. 
          THERE WERE SOME IDEAS WITHIN THIS ED 2.3 THAT I THOUGHT WOULD BE REALLY GOOD FOR ANY BUSINESS. 
          AND WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT NOT WANTING TO EQUATE BIPOC OWNED OR HISTORICALLY DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES O OWNING A BUSINESS. 
          AND THAT ALWAYS MEANING LOW RESOURCE BECAUSE A LOT OF THE POLICIES OR ACTIONS, EXCUSE ME, FOCUSED ON HOW TO MAKE THINGS CHEAPER OR FREE AND THAT'S NOT ALWAYS WHAT'S REQUIRED. 
          AND ACTUALLY SOME OF THOSE WAYS OF MAKING IT MORE AFFORDABLE TO START A BUSINESS COULD APPLY TO ANY BUSINESS. 
          AND THEN ACTUALLY READING THE UH, GOVERNANCE AND IMPLEMENTATION PIECE ABOUT DIVERSITY. 
          THERE WERE SOME PIECES THERE ABOUT BUILDING SUPPORT. 
          I THINK IN THAT FRAMEWORK IT WAS SPECIFICALLY FOR LIKE OUR LATIN AMERICAN COMMUNITY. 
          BUT THERE WERE SOME PIECES THERE THAT I THOUGHT IN TERMS OF NETWORKING AND SUPPORTING AND MENTORSHIP OPPORTUNITIES BEING REGIONAL LEADERS AND SOME OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS I THOUGHT SOME OF THAT COULD FIND ITS WAY IN HERE FOR HISTORICALLY DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES. 
          UH, AND NOT MAKE IT A STRICTLY KIND OF A RESOURCE QUESTION. 
          UH, AND THEN WE ALSO HIGHLIGHTED EQUITY PRIORITY AREAS. 
          THIS IS MENTIONED THROUGHOUT. 
          THIS MIGHT HAVE BEEN AN ISSUE OF US JUST NEEDING TO CHECK THE, THE REFERENCE MATERIAL A LITTLE MORE THOROUGHLY, BUT WE WONDERED IF THOSE SHOULD BE, I THINK IT WAS REFERENCED ONCE IF THOSE SHOULD BE REFERENCED THERE AND ELSEWHERE. 
          I'VE SEEN NOW IN OTHER FRAMEWORKS THEY ARE REFERENCED A LITTLE BIT MORE FREQUENTLY. 
          SO I JUST PUT THAT IN THERE TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A HANDLE ON THAT. 
          AND WE'RE KIND OF REFERENCING THAT WHERE APPROPRIATE A MUNICIPAL FINANCE, THIS WAS A SMALL NOTE, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY CHANGES TO GO EED THREE. 
          WE JUST, I HEARD FROM SOME OF THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE COMMUNITY TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY INCREASE TO TAX AND FEES WAS BALANCED AGAINST, YOU KNOW, AVOIDING EXCESSIVE NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON BUSINESS AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MIGHT NOT BE WORTH STATING BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE IMPLICIT THAT ANY TAX AND FEE INCREASES WOULD BE HEAVILY STUDIED. 
          BUT IT WAS SOMETHING I JUST WANTED TO CALL OUT BECAUSE WE HAD NOTHING ELSE FOR THE SECTION. 
          UH, SO GOAL ED FOUR A DESTINATION CITY. 
          THIS WAS A REALLY BIG ONE. 
          UM, I THOUGHT AN INTERESTING PIECE FROM THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IS MAKING SURE WHEN WE, EVEN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE CONTEXT OF HOTELS, KIND OF THINKING BEYOND TOURISM AND THEY RECOMMENDED SOME WAYS WE COULD EXPLORE ALLOWING FOR 
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BUSINESS CONFERENCES, KIND OF TAPPING A MARKET OF THE BUSINESS AND TRAVEL COMMUNITY THAT WASN'T NECESSARILY TOURISM, UH, THAT COULD YIELD A LOT OF ECONOMIC BENEFIT. 
          'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT FEEDS INTO KIND OF OUR BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT, EMPLOYER DEVELOPMENT, ALL THOSE OTHER GOALS. 
          UM, AND THEN ZONING AND LAND USE FLEXIBILITY. 
          SO THIS FALLS INTO, AND, AND HERE INSTEAD OF GOING POLICY BY POLICY HIGHLIGHTING, I KIND OF HIGHLIGHTED THE BIG I THINK QUESTION ITEMS AND THEN CALLED OUT SOME POLICIES. 
          UM, SO POLICIES ED 4.2 THROUGH 4.4, I THINK THEY NECESSITATE CONVERSATIONS AND MAYBE WE CAN'T BE PRESCRIPTIVE ABOUT THIS IN THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          SO MAYBE THE LANGUAGE THAT'S IN THERE STRIKES THE RIGHT BALANCE OF EXPLORING CHANGES TO MIXED USE. 
          FLEXIBILITY IN RESIDENTIAL ZONING. 
          I THINK FOR THE GOALS MENTIONED IN THOSE POLICIES AND BECAUSE I DIDN'T PUT THE NAMES IN HERE, I'LL JUST CALL THEM OUT REALLY QUICKLY. 
          SO THIS IS POLICY, UH, 4.2, WHICH IS ENCOURAGE RETAIL AND BUSINESSES NEAR RESIDENTS. 
          OBVIOUSLY THIS MESHES WITH OUR 15 MINUTE NEIGHBORHOOD CONCEPT. 
          I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THERE WITH LOOSENING RESIDENTIAL RESTRICTIONS ON BUSINESSES IF WE CAN'T CENTRALLY PLAN WHERE EVERY DOT OF COMMERCIAL SHOULD GO, MAYBE IT'S JUST LOOSENING WHAT'S ALLOWED IN RESIDENTIAL A BIT TO ALLOW FOR A LITTLE MORE DIVERSITY AND POTENTIAL, UH, BUSINESSES TO START. 
          UH, POLICY ED 4.3 SUPPORT SHOPPING CENTERS IS COMMUNITY HUBS MUCH IN THE SAME VEIN. 
          UH, AND THAT ONE I THINK FALLS INTO A BIT OF THESE, YOU KNOW, MIXED USE UPDATES. 
          HOW DO WE GET GROUND FLOOR ACTIVATION WITHOUT FORCING MORE RETAIL IF IT'S NOT SUPPORTABLE? SO I THINK THERE'S MORE DISCUSSIONS THERE. 
          IT MIGHT BE JUST A REFERENCE TO OUR LAND USE ELEMENT. 
          LIKE I SAID, MAYBE THE LANGUAGE THERE HITS THE MARK, BUT WE JUST WANTED TO CALL THAT OUT. 
          AND SAME WITH PRIORITIZE INVESTMENT IN UNIQUE LOCAL RETAIL. 
          AND THAT'S THE IDEA OF HOW WE CAN LOOSEN SOME OF OUR ZONING. 
          I DON'T WANNA SAY LOOSEN, BUT JUST MAKE SURGICAL CHANGES THAT ALLOW FOR MORE FLEXIBILITY AND THE OPPORTUNITY FOR MORE BUSINESSES TO, TO START. 
          UH, AND THEN POLICY ED 4.5 WAS HUGE. 
          WE HAD A LOT ABOUT THIS. 
          UM, THIS IS INVEST IN DOWNTOWN AND THAT REALLY TOOK A LOT OF SHAPES AND FORMS ABOUT PARTNERING WITH OUR LOCAL DOWNTOWN BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS. 
          PARTNERING WITH, UM, THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A LOT IN THERE ABOUT INVESTING IN DOWNTOWN TO BEAUTIFY CLEAN ALL THE THINGS YOU'D EXPECT. 
          A COUPLE ITEMS WE CALLED OUT, INCLUDING ONE THAT I HIGHLIGHTED IN BOLD THERE. 
          SO THE FIRST WAS A STREET TREE IMPROVEMENT PROJECT, STREET TREE IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. 
          AND THAT WAS THE IDEA OF CAN WE FILL THE GHOST TREES, YOU KNOW, REESTABLISHED AND IS THAT SOMETHING THE CITY SHOULD MANAGE BECAUSE DOWNTOWN IS, YOU KNOW, SUCH AN IMPORTANT AREA TO OUR TOWN. 
          PROPERTY OWNERS DON'T ALWAYS WANT TO PUT TREES BACK, DON'T WANT TO MANAGE IT. 
          IS THAT THE START OF POTENTIALLY A KIND OF PUBLIC WORKS LED OR CITY LED STREET TREE PROJECT IN THIS AREA OR SOME COMBINATION THEREIN, UM, WITH RELIEF OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          AND THEN THE DOWNTOWN WITH SPECIFIC PLAN WAS A BIG ONE. 
          THIS GOES TO ROGER'S POINT ABOUT CORRIDORS. 
          IT EVEN CIRCLES BACK TO OUR REALLY LONG DISCUSSION ABOUT THE HOTEL. 
          ONE OF OUR OUTPUTS FROM THAT WAS A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL IS LOOK, EXPLORE A DOWNTOWN PLAN AND ALL THE APPROACH CORRIDORS. 
          THAT CONCEPT'S BEEN AROUND, WE THOUGHT IN THE CONTEXT OF LIKE MAKING THIS A DESTINATION CITY, INVESTING IN DOWNTOWN. 
          AND ON THE HEELS OF THAT PRESENTATION BY DAN ZACK FROM FRESNO ABOUT FRONT-LOADING PLANNING, THERE'S SOMETHING TO DISCUSS THERE. 
          UH, I ACTUALLY GOT A CALL FROM JANICE BEFORE THIS MEETING. 
          SHE'S LIKE, I DON'T KNOW IF I WANT ANOTHER SPECIFIC PLAN THAT NO ONE USES OR THAT INHIBITS DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE A SPECIFIC PLAN OR MAYBE SOMETHING BETTER. 
          MAYBE IT'S AN UPDATED SET OF DESIGN GUIDELINES. 
          MAYBE IT'S A REAL SURVEY OF HISTORIC RESOURCES TO DELINEATE THOSE AND THEN ESTABLISH WHERE THE FLEXIBILITY IS AROUND THOSE. 
          BASICALLY DOING SOME OF THAT FRONT LOADED PLANNING AND WHAT COULD BE HARD DISCUSSIONS UPFRONT TO MAKE A MORE COHESIVE PLAN FOR DOWNTOWN SO THAT DEVELOPERS KNOW MORE OF WHAT THEY'RE GETTING INTO. 
          YOU KNOW, OSTENSIBLY WE MAKE A MORE WELL DESIGNED, ENJOYABLE ENVIRONMENT TO ALLOW BUSINESSES TO THRIVE. 
          SO THAT'S A BIG ONE I WANNA PUT TO THIS COMMITTEE. 
          IF THAT'S WORTH CALLING OUT HERE OR IF THAT REALLY LIVES IN THE LAND USE ELEMENT. 
          WE DON'T WANNA MENTION IT. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO TO BRING THAT FORWARD BECAUSE WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT ITEM. 
          UH, GOAL ED FIVE TRANSPORTATION SERVES BUSINESSES. 
          AGAIN, THIS ONE, I THINK WE WERE BROADLY IN AGREEMENT WITH A LOT OF THE, THE FEEDBACK HERE, AGAIN, IT KIND OF TIES INTO THIS AFFIRMATIVE CITY LEADERSHIP GOAL OR WHATEVER THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE AS NEEDING STAFF CAPACITY BECAUSE THERE IS ELEMENTS IN THERE ABOUT BROKERING LAND DEALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF WE DO CURRENTLY. 
          UH, BUT THAT'S KIND OF AN EXCITING CONCEPT TO WORK WITH PROPERTY OWNERS TO FILL IN SITES THAT ARE UNDERUTILIZED. 
          BUT WE WOULD JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING OTHER THINGS IN THIS POLICY OR IN THIS FRAMEWORK TO KIND OF SUPPORT THAT EFFORT. 
          UH, GOAL SIX, NEW BUSINESS. 
          YOU KNOW, I ACTUALLY TOOK THE GOAL STATEMENT WITH AN UPDATE FROM THE CHAMBER. 
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I THOUGHT THIS WAS INTERESTING. 
          NEW BUSINESSES CAN READILY START IN PETALUMA. 
          THEY PUT A PERIOD, BUSINESSES CAN READILY GROW IN PETALUMA. 
          UH, JUST KIND OF DELINEATING THAT. 
          LOOK, WE WANT NEW BUSINESSES TO BE ABLE TO START. 
          WE ALSO WANNA CALL OUT THAT SMALL MID-SIZE. 
          EVEN BIG BUSINESSES CAN GROW HERE. 
          NOW THIS AREA IS CALLED NEW BUSINESS. 
          I GET WHAT THEY WERE SAYING, BUT I JUST WANTED TO PASS THAT ALONG BECAUSE I DIDN'T REALLY THINK ABOUT IT. 
          I THOUGHT IT WAS AN INTERESTING DISTINCTION, AGAIN, FOR THEM NOT TO BE EXCLUSIVE OR TO BE THINKING ABOUT THE ENTIRE BUSINESS COMMUNITY IN SOME WAY. 
          UH, AND SEPARATE THE IMPORTANCE OF THOSE TWO PHRASES. 
          'CAUSE THEY'RE STARTING AND THERE'S GROWING. 
          UH, AND THEN AGAIN, CALLING OUT AFFIRMATIVE CITY LEADERSHIP. 
          ALL THE POLICIES IN THERE REALLY CALL OUT SOME KIND OF STAFF CAPACITY TO SUPPORT. 
          OR MAYBE THAT'S LIKE CONTRACTED SUPPORT WITH, UH, THE, THE CURRENT STRATEGIST WE USE NOW. 
          SO JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER THERE. 
          AND THEN THIS IS WHERE WE GET TO THE NEW GOALS. 
          SO THIS IS WHERE WE KIND OF, AND THIS IS NOT IN ORDER OF IMPORTANCE BY ANY MEANS. 
          I KNOW FOR, I BELIEVE THE CHAMBER SAID WE WANT LIKE GOAL NUMBER TWO BEHIND STRONG ECONOMY TO BE THIS AFFIRMATIVE CITY LEADERSHIP AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND THAT THEY HAVE, I PUT THE ENTIRE KIND OF, UH, PIECE IN THERE THAT THE CHAMBER WROTE. 
          UM, I MEAN WE WERE AT THE MEETINGS, UH, THAT, THAT WARREN PUT TOGETHER FOR THAT. 
          AND IT'S KIND OF PRESCRIPTIVE ABOUT HOW WE FORM A DEPARTMENT, HOW MAYBE STAFF AND KIND OF CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE DIFFERENT, UH, DEPARTMENTS IN PLANNING OR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT HAVE THIS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, TRAINING OR BACKGROUND. 
          ACTUALLY, INGRID VERDE CAME TO ANOTHER MEETING WITH THAT GROUP AND EXPLAINED THAT CURRENTLY A LOT OF OUR MANAGEMENT TEAM DOES HAVE THAT BACKGROUND. 
          SO WE'RE LUCKY IN THAT WE HAVE SOME OF THAT CAPACITY ALREADY, BUT MAYBE IT'S WORTH CODIFYING OR JUST EXPLAINING HOW WE KIND OF FORMALIZE THAT WITHIN OUR CITY THAT THEN SUPPORTS ALL THESE OTHER EFFORTS THAT IMPLY ANALYSIS, UPKEEP, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UH, AND THEN AGAIN, GOAL, UH, ED EIGHT. 
          THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE AGRICULTURE OR ECONOMICS OF OPEN SPACE. 
          I THINK I PUT ECONOMICALLY VIABLE USES OF OPEN SPACE. 
          IS IT WORTH SEPARATING THAT OUT BECAUSE AGRICULTURE HAS A SPECIAL SIGNIFICANCE IN THE PETALUMA ECONOMY, ESPECIALLY IN SONOMA COUNTY. 
          WE ALL SAW THAT FROM THE EXISTING CONDITIONS REPORT. 
          UM, IT'S A KIND OF A QUANDARY ON EXACTLY WHAT WE CAN DO TO MOVE THE LEVERS THERE, UH, OTHER THAN MAYBE SUPPORTING SOME LAND USES. 
          UM, AND THEN AS I SAID, THERE'S KIND OF THIS BROADER QUESTION OF WHAT HAPPENS TO THIS OPEN SPACE THAT WE VALUE SO MUCH IN SONOMA COUNTY IF THAT INDUSTRY GOES AWAY. 
          SO IS IT WORTH NECESSITATING A WHOLE SECTION? IS IT, HERE'S WHAT WE DO TO SUPPORT THAT BECAUSE IT HAS ALL THESE OTHER KNOCK ON IMPACTS THAT ARE IMPORTANT. 
          UH, SO THEN I HAD A BREAK TO LET THE GROUP DISCUSS. 
          UM, AND I'M GONNA LEAVE IT TO A QUICK STRAW POLL. 
          DO YOU GUYS WANNA GIVE FEEDBACK ON SOME OF THOSE KIND OF OVERARCHING ITEMS RIGHT NOW? LIKE QUICK HITS? YOU WANNA WAIT TILL THE END? WHAT DO WE THINK? ANY PREFERENCE? THE END. 
          WAIT TILL THE END. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY, PERFECT. 
          THEN WE WILL GO THROUGH GROUP DISCUSSION. 
          GO STRAIGHT TO INFRASTRUCTURE AND UTILITIES. 
          SO I THINK WE ACTUALLY COVERED THAT REALLY WELL HERE. 
          UH, ALREADY SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS, BUT IN FEEDBACK, AGAIN, SOME OF THIS WAS INFORMED BY SANDY POTTER WHO IMMEDIATELY HAD TECHNICAL KNOW-HOW THAT HELPED ANSWER A LOT OF QUESTIONS, INFORM THE CONVERSATION IN A BIG WAY. 
          UM, BUT SOMETHING THAT SHE CALLED OUT AND WE CALLED OUT WAS IN THESE DIFFERENT GOALS AND POLICIES. 
          UH, WE TALKED ABOUT WATER, STORM WATER AND WASTEWATER. 
          THESE THREE DIFFERENT STREAMS, JUST THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE REALLY USEFUL TO SPECIFY THOSE WHERE APPROPRIATE AND REALLY MAKE IT CLEAR WHAT SYSTEM WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE THEY HAVE DIFFERENT IMPLICATIONS. 
          UH, THE SECOND ITEM HERE I'VE ALREADY BROUGHT UP WHERE POSSIBLE REFERENCE TO EXISTING LIKE COUNTY DOCUMENTS, STATE DOCUMENTS, RELEVANT AGENCIES. 
          THERE'S A DIVISION THAT OVERSEES DRINKING WATER, RIGHT? SO CERTAIN STANDARDS ARE SET BY THEM WHEN IT COMES TO DUAL USE SYSTEMS. SO IT IT, THERE'S A BIG PIECE THERE ABOUT MAKING SURE WE CALL THAT OUT AND WE INCLUDED SOME OF THOSE REFERENCES INFORMED BY BY SANDY IN THAT, IN THAT AREA. 
          UH, AND THEN THIS BIG QUESTION OF ROADS AND THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY IS THAT INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S WORTH MENTIONING HERE. 
          HOW DOES THAT CONVERSATION SHOW UP? IS IT SOME KIND OF SMALLER CALL OUT AND ACKNOWLEDGING THAT, LOOK, THIS IS IN TRANSPORTATION. 
          I ACTUALLY JUST READ IN THE SAFETY ELEMENT, UH, HOW THERE'S A REFERENCE BACK, YOU KNOW, TO A CERTAIN POLICY AND THEN IT SAYS AS, AS DECIDED OR AS EXPLICATED IN OUR CIRCULATION ELEMENT OR FRAMEWORK. 
          SO I DUNNO IF IT'S WORTH POINTING BACK AT CERTAIN AREAS LIKE THAT OR IF IT'S WORTH HAVING A SECTION ABOUT ROADS AND PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY. 
          UM, NOT THAT WE NEED MORE TALK ABOUT STREET TREES, THAT COULD BE IN THERE THOUGH. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, WHERE THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT LIKE IMPROVED STREET STANDARDS BASICALLY. 
          DOES IT ONLY LIVE IN TRANSPORTATION OR SHOULD THIS BE BROUGHT IN HERE AS WELL? UH, AND THEN THE OTHER ONE WE SAW, AND THIS HAS BEEN MENTIONED, UH, BY OUR CONSULTANTS, IS CENTRALIZED VERSUS DECENTRALIZED WATER TREATMENT. 
          AND WE KIND OF SAW THIS IN DIFFERENT BITS AND PIECES. 
          IT CAME ESPECIALLY IN KIND OF THE, THE ZERO EMISSIONS AREA FOR OUR, UH, WASTE OR OUR WATER DELIVERY. 
          AND THAT WAS JUST, IT SEEMED LIKE WE WERE WEIGHING THIS DECISION 
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OF DO WE, YOU KNOW, MANDATE OR INCENTIVIZE OR ENCOURAGE NEW APPLICATIONS OR NEW DEVELOPMENTS TO PROVIDE ONSITE RECYCLING SOLUTIONS FOR WASTEWATER AND STORMWATER VERSUS THE BUILD OUT OF OUR BIG CENTRALIZED CAPACITY WITH ALL THE DRAINS AND THINGS THAT CONNECT TO IT. 
          I THINK THERE'S QUESTIONS THERE ABOUT WHETHER THAT IMPLIES JUST PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT TAKING ON THAT DECENTRALIZED KIND OF LOAD OR IF THERE'S LIKE A CITY ROLE TO BUILD DECENTRALIZED SITES ON CITY PROPERTIES AROUND TO HELP ABSORB SOME OF THAT CAPACITY. 
          BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE WERE ALL FANS OF THE ELLIS CREEK FACILITY AND WE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, IS THIS A DIRECTION WE WANT TO GO? DO WE, WELL FIRST OF ALL, IS THAT DECISION WHAT STAFF IS LAYING OUT? ARE WE KIND OF DECIDING BETWEEN MORE INVESTMENT INTO ELLIS CREEK AND THE CENTRALIZED SYSTEMS VERSUS A DECENTRALIZED MODEL? I MEAN, ARE WE JUST EARLY EXPLORATIONS BECAUSE WE THOUGHT, LOOK, WHY DON'T WE DO BOTH? WHY DON'T WE REALLY MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT THE ROBUST CENTRALIZED SYSTEM AND THEN ENCOURAGE AND EXPLORE DEVELOPMENT OF DECENTRALIZED AS WELL, BUILD MORE CAPACITY RATHER THAN MAKE IT AN EITHER OR. 
          LIKE I SAID, MAYBE THAT WAS NOT WHAT STAFF INTENDED, MAYBE IT'S NOT AN EITHER OR, BUT THAT WAS JUST A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTOOD. 
          UH, AND THEN THIS WAS MORE IN REGARDS TO WASTE MANAGEMENT. 
          YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE OUR GOAL METRICS AND JUST A LITTLE MORE ABOUT WHAT'S POSSIBLE AT CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS. 
          UH, AND I'LL GET INTO IT IN THE POLICIES, THERE ARE CERTAIN POLICIES WHERE WE WONDERED IF THIS COULD BE PART OF A MORE ROBUST CONTRACT NEGOTIATION. 
          WE COULD ASK OPERATORS FOR CERTAIN GOALS. 
          IT WASN'T EXPLICITLY STATED. 
          MAYBE IT WAS IMPLICIT THAT YES, WE WOULD BE ASKING OUR OPERATORS TO HELP US REACH THIS GOAL. 
          JUST MAKE SURE WE BROUGHT THAT UP WHERE APPLICABLE THAT ANY CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS WE'RE GONNA BE PUSHING FOR THINGS THAT SUPPORT OUR POLICIES IN TERMS OF THEIR PRACTICES. 
          UH, SO GOAL ONE, SUSTAINABLE WATER SUPPLY. 
          WE HIGHLIGHTED A COUPLE POLICIES HERE, POLICY ED 1.3, MAINTAIN AND EXPAND WATER INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          WE PROPOSE A NEW ACTION REGARDING THE PURPLE PIPE TO MOVE IT, UH, OVER THE 1 0 1 ACROSS THE RIVER TO THE WEST SIDE. 
          UH, AT LEAST EXPLORING THAT POTENTIAL AND KIND OF MOVING FORWARD IN THAT DIRECTION. 
          UM, AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK A LOT OF US LOVE THE PURPLE PIPE. 
          MAYBE THERE'S SOME DRAWBACK, MAYBE THERE'S SOME LIMITATION THERE. 
          BUT THAT WAS SOMETHING WE PUT IN AS A POTENTIAL ACTION IS LOOK, HOW CAN WE BRING PURPLE PIPE TO THE WEST SIDE. 
          UM, AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO BE TOO REPETITIVE, BUT, UH, SANDY DID CALL OUT A COUPLE ITEMS THERE WHERE SHE SAID, UNDER THIS POLICY ED 1.3, COULD WE WRAP A LOT OF THESE ACTIONS INTO ONE BIG ONE REFERENCING LIKE BEST PRACTICES WITH OUR UPDATED WATER DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM MASTER PLAN OR IWMP WAS THERE BASICALLY A WAY TO SIMPLIFY? 'CAUSE IT WAS LISTING A LOT OF SPECIFIC ACTIONS. 
          SHE THOUGHT, IS THERE A WAY TO SIMPLIFY WITH AN EXTERNAL DOCUMENT THAT'LL HAVE A LOT OF THESE ACTIONS AND DIFFERENT OPTIONS LAID OUT FOR US? SAME THING IN ANOTHER ACTION. 
          1.3 0.13. 
          SHE REFERENCED A SEWER SYSTEM MASTER PLAN, WHICH OF COURSE THAT EXISTS. 
          I DIDN'T THINK OF IT. 
          SO SHE SAID, YOU KNOW, LET'S MAKE SURE WE REFERENCE THAT WERE APPROPRIATE. 
          UM, SO POINTING TO SOME OF THESE DOCUMENTS. 
          AND THEN SAME THING WITH THE PETALUMA VALLEY GSA. 
          SHE SAID, WHEREVER GROUNDWATER'S MENTIONED IT WOULD BE GOOD TO CALL BACK TO. 
          AND I, THERE'S A PHRASE, A PHRASEOLOGY SHE USED IN THERE TO BASICALLY CALL BACK TO THE REGULATIONS AND BEST PRACTICES AS EXPLICATED BY THE PETALUMA VALLEY GSA. 
          UH, SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD CALL OUT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE KIND OF TYING THAT TOGETHER. 
          UH, AND THEN POLICY IU 1.6 IMPLEMENT A PROGRESSIVE FEE STRUCTURE. 
          AND THIS AREA HAD DISCUSSION OF, YOU KNOW, GAUGING EFFICIENT VERSUS INEFFICIENT USES OF WATER. 
          WE HAD A QUICK DISCUSSION THERE OF IS THAT SOMETHING A MI TELLS US THE NEW ADVANCED METERING TELLS US WHAT'S EFFICIENT VERSUS INEFFICIENT. 
          HOW DO WE GAUGE THAT? AGAIN, MAYBE LIKE A NEOPHYTE QUESTION THAT GETS DISPELLED PRETTY QUICKLY BY STAFF, BUT HOW DO WE MAKE THAT DECISION? WHAT'S EFFICIENT VERSUS INEFFICIENT? HOW CAN WE TELL? UM, AND THEN CONSIDER REFERENCE TO EXISTING REGULATIONS REGARDING EFFICIENT WATER USE. 
          AND THIS IS ONE WHERE SANDY USED AN EXACT REFERENCE, UH, TO AN EXISTING DOCUMENT THAT TALKS ABOUT WATER USE. 
          AND LET ME JUST PULL IT UP REALLY QUICK. 
          SO THIS, THIS IDEA OF A FEE STRUCTURE TOO SHOWS UP IN LATER AREAS AND IN SOME OF THOSE LATER POLICIES WE ADVOCATE FOR, CAN THIS ALL BE KIND OF ONE DISCUSSION ABOUT FEES? AND SHE SAYS, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER AN ACTION THAT REFERS TO EXISTING STATE AND LOCAL REGULATION PERTAINING TO EFFICIENT WATER USE FOR THE CITY TO EXPLORE FEE STRUCTURES AND REGULATIONS, TO INCENTIVIZE CONSERVATION PRACTICES. 
          AND WHETHER A COUPLE OF THE LATER REFERENCES TO FEES COULD ALL BE KIND OF WRAPPED UP NEATLY IN A STATEMENT LIKE THAT. 
          UH, SO THEN GOAL IU TWO, INTEGRATED WATER RESOURCES MANAGEMENT CALLED OUT A COUPLE POLICIES HERE. 
          UM, POLICY IU 2.1 REQUIRE EFFICIENT WATER USE. 
          AND THIS WAS AN, UH, AN INTERESTING ONE IN THAT IT TALKS ABOUT SETTING A WATER BUDGET FOR A GIVEN SITE AND RESTRICTING, 
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UH, PERMEABLE PAVEMENT, I BELIEVE, OR NO, THIS IS ABOUT, UH, YEAH, GEOSPATIAL WATER BALANCE MAP. 
          UH, AND SO, OH NO, EXCUSE ME. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          THIS IS, UH, A WATER BUDGET YEAH, ENFORCING A WATER BUDGET APPLICABLE TO A PROJECT SIZE. 
          AND SO WE, AND, AND IT, IT BASICALLY SAYS WE'RE GONNA DO A CERTAIN KIND OF ENFORCEMENT AND GETS A LITTLE PRESCRIPTIVE AND WE WONDERED IF WE COULD SOFTEN IT TO SAY, INCLUDE WATER BUDGET ANALYSIS WHENEVER WE GET A PERMIT. 
          WHAT IS THE WATER BUDGET FOR THE SITE? INCLUDE THAT IN OUR INITIAL PLANNING ANALYSIS, BUT THEN HOW DO WE AND THEN INCLUDE WATER CONSERVATION PRACTICES TO MINIMIZE WATER DEMAND OF NEW DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDE WATER ALLOCATIONS INFORMED BY CITY STAFF'S ANALYSIS OF THE WATER BUDGET, BASICALLY SAYING WE WILL FIND SOME BALANCE OF INCENTIVES AND ENFORCEMENT TO REACH A CERTAIN GOAL, BUT DON'T NECESSARILY REFERENCE PROPERTY SERVICE AGREEMENTS OR SOMETHING SPECIFIC IN THE GENERAL PLAN TO LOWER THAT SPECIFICITY. 
          GET TO WHAT THE GOAL IS WE'RE TRYING TO REACH. 
          UH, AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER CALL OUT, LIKE I SAID, THE DUAL PLUMBING REGULATED. 
          SO THERE'S DIVISION OF DRINKING WATER GETS BROUGHT IN, SO WE'RE APPROPRIATE REFERENCING SOME OF THOSE, UH, OUTSIDE REGULATORY BODIES. 
          UH, THEN WE GET TO POLICY IU 2.2, PROMOTE EFFECTIVE WATER USE. 
          THERE'S THIS MENTION OF A GEOSPATIAL WATER BALANCE MAP FOR THE CITY. 
          UH, IT SEEMED LIKE A BIG TASK, MAYBE IT'S NOT. 
          MAYBE A GEOSPATIAL WATER BALANCE MAP OF EVERY PARCEL IS SOMETHING WE HAVE WITH EXISTING MODELING THAT WOULDN'T BE THAT DIFFICULT TO ACHIEVE. 
          UH, BUT WE JUST CALLED THAT OUT AS POTENTIALLY A BIG POLICY ITEM, UNDERSTANDING HOW THAT WOULD BE IMPLEMENTED, UH, TO PER PROJECT LEVEL. 
          AND THEN POLICIES IU 2.3 AND 2.4, REDUCING WATER DEMAND AND ALLOW ONSITE REUSE OF WASTEWATER. 
          I THINK THE MORE WE, WE READ THAT, WE KIND OF AGREED WITH A LOT OF THIS, BUT THIS WAS AN AREA WHERE WE HIGHLIGHTED THIS SEEMED LIKE WE WERE WEIGHING A DECISION BETWEEN DECENTRALIZED CAPACITY VERSUS THE CENTRALIZED SYSTEM. 
          JUST MAKING SURE, AGAIN, WHAT DIRECTION WE WANT TO GO THERE. 
          AFTER REREADING THIS AND DISCUSSING IT WITH OUR GROUP, AGAIN, IT SOUNDED LIKE THIS WAS REALLY ADVOCATING FOR JUST BUILDING OUT THE DECENTRALIZED CAPACITY WITH PRIVATE APPLICATIONS OR, OR PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT. 
          UH, SO I DON'T THINK THERE WAS A NECESSARILY A CHOICE BEING WEIGHED THERE, BUT WE HIGHLIGHTED IT AS ONE OF THOSE AREAS OF THIS KIND OF CENTRALIZED AND DECENTRALIZED, UH, VIEWPOINT ON THE, THE CAPACITY OR INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          UH, AND THEN WATER CONSERVATION. 
          THIS IS A BIG ONE WHERE AGAIN, OUR, OUR EXPERT REFERENCED A COUPLE PLANS THAT I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT. 
          SO POLICY IU 3.1 ABOUT REDUCING TOTAL DEMAND. 
          UM, WE JUST CALLED OUT REFERENCING THE CITY WATER SHORTAGE CONTINGENCY PLAN, WHICH I BELIEVE IS ACTUALLY REFERENCED IN A SUBSEQUENT POLICY. 
          AND THE URBAN WATER MASTER PLAN, AGAIN, I'M, I'M A BROKEN RECORD, BUT JUST REFERENCING THOSE PLANS WHERE APPLICABLE SO WE KNOW THAT THEY EXIST AND THEN THE GENERAL PLAN GETS TO DEFER SPECIFICITY TO THOSE PLANS. 
          UM, THEN GOAL IU FOUR, GROUNDWATER SUSTAINABILITY. 
          SO MANAGING GROUNDWATER RESOURCES POLICY, IU 4.1. 
          UH, THIS WAS ONE THAT PRESCRIBED RESTRICTING THE AMOUNT OF PERMEABLE SURFACE ALLOWED ON A DEVELOPMENT IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE A CERTAIN RECHARGE RATE. 
          UH, PRE-DEVELOPMENT RECHARGE RATE. 
          UH, THAT WAS ONE OF THE ACTIONS THERE. 
          AND WE JUST SAID, LOOK, AGAIN, CAN WE KIND OF STATE THE GOAL THIS PRE-DEVELOPMENT RECHARGE RATE AND THEN LEAVE IT FLEXIBLE FOR THE APPLICANT OR THE DEVELOPER TO USE THE THE MEANS NECESSARY TO REACH THAT. 
          UM, I THINK JUST ESTABLISHING THAT REQUIREMENT IS A PRETTY BIG STEP. 
          I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WE NEEDED TO BE MORE PRESCRIPTIVE WITH HOW, HOW WE GET THERE. 
          UM, AND THEN THERE WAS AN OUTSIDE, UH, DOCUMENT OR AGENCY, A SET OF GUIDELINES OR AN AGENCY AND SANDY COULDN'T RECALL IT IN HER NOTES, BUT THAT LID, LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT, THINGS LIKE BIOSWALES, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          THERE WERE SOME STRATEGIES MENTIONED THERE AS POTENTIALS PRETTY SPECIFIC IN THE ACTIONS. 
          AND SHE SAID, LOOK, THERE IS AN OUTSIDE BODY THAT HAS THIS LIST OF THESE COMPONENTS WE CAN REFERENCE, AGAIN, THAT MIGHT HELP US KIND OF DEFER SOME OF THE SPECIFICITY TO AN OUTSIDE REGULATORY BODY OR PLAN. 
          UH, AND THEN THIS WAS ANOTHER ONE THAT, UH, WAS WRITTEN IN ABOUT A NEW ACTION REFERENCING A GROUNDWATER SUSTAINABILITY PLAN. 
          AND I JUST WANNA HIGHLIGHT THAT ONE, UM, BECAUSE SANDY HAD SOME PRETTY SPECIFIC LANGUAGE THERE. 
          REVIEW DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS AND SPECIFIC PLANS TO EVALUATE IMPACTS OF PLANNED LAND USE AND WATER DEMAND TO ENSURE INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS AND OVERALL DEVELOPMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF WATER RESOURCES APPROVED GROUNDWATER SUSTAINABILITY PLAN AND THEN REFERENCES THE PETALUMA VALLEY GROUNDWATER SUB-BASIN. 
          SO I THOUGHT Y YOU KNOW, AS SOMEONE WHO WAS A TECHNICAL EXPERT, THAT SOUNDED REALLY IMPORTANT, IT SOUNDED WORTHY OF INCLUDING, IT MIGHT BE TOUCHED ON BY OTHER POLICY PIECES THAT THAT IS THE GOAL WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO ALREADY. 
          BUT I THOUGHT IT PRETTY SUCCINCTLY STATED, UH, AN ACTION ITEM THERE THAT GETS A GOOD RESULT. 
          AND THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE THAT OCCURRED THROUGHOUT THIS AREA WHERE THERE WERE, UH, REFERENCED GSA DESIGNATED HIGH RECHARGE AREAS. 
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AND AS SHE POINTED OUT TO US, THE DGSA HAS NOT DESIGNATED HIGH GROUNDWATER RECHARGE AREAS YET. 
          SO WE SHOULD REPLACE THOSE REFERENCES WITH AREAS WITH HIGH GROUNDWATER RECHARGE POTENTIAL. 
          UM, AND WE ACTUALLY HAD A LATER BUILD OFF OF THAT WHERE WE SAID, YOU KNOW, IS THAT ONE OF OUR ACTIONS IS TO TRY TO IDENTIFY THOSE AREAS IN THE CITY OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT GSA WILL GET AROUND TO? AND WE CAN DEFER THAT SPECIFICITY THERE. 
          SO THAT WAS JUST A DISCUSSION POINT I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT AND THAT, YEAH, THE NEXT POLICY EXPLORE GROUNDWATER BANKING THAT WOULD SEEM TO BE A NATURAL KIND OF ADD-ON THERE, IS MAKE SURE WE KNOW THOSE AREAS WITH HIGH GROUNDWATER RECHARGE POTENTIAL. 
          IF WE'RE GONNA EXPLORE GROUNDWATER BANKING. 
          AND THIS IS ACTUALLY WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THE EMERGENCY, UM, GROUNDWATER AVAILABILITY FOR KIND OF WORST CASE SCENARIOS. 
          POLICY IU 4.3 SAYS PRESERVE GROUNDWATER RESOURCES, BUT WHEN WE READ IT, IT'S REALLY SEEMS TO BE TALKING ABOUT NOT JUST BROADLY CONSERVING GROUNDWATER RESOURCES. 
          IT SPECIFICALLY MENTIONS, UH, CONTINUE TO USE GROUNDWATER TO MEET EMERGENCY WATER SUPPLY NEEDS. 
          SO, AND THAT WAS THE ONLY ACTION. 
          SO WE THOUGHT THIS IS REALLY ABOUT EMERGENCY AVAILABILITY AND WE KIND OF EXPANDED THAT TO CONTINUE TO EVALUATE THE USE AND AVAILABILITY OF GROUNDWATER TO MEET EMERGENCY WATER SUPPLY NEEDS. 
          SO KIND OF JUST SPECIFICALLY MAKING THAT ABOUT THAT WORST CASE SCENARIO WHERE WE MIGHT NOT HAVE WATER FROM OUTSIDE, WE WANNA UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH WE HAVE FOR EMERGENCY SCENARIOS, UH, AND HOW WE WOULD EFFECTIVELY USE THAT. 
          OKAY, SO GOAL IU FIVE ZERO EMISSION WATER AND WASTEWATER. 
          UM, THIS POLICY IU 5.1 EMBODIED AND OPERATIONAL CARBON COSTS. 
          THIS IS ONE AGAIN, WHERE WE'RE SEEING THIS BALANCE BETWEEN EXPANDING THE CENTRALIZED CITY SYSTEM OF DRAINAGE AND PIPES GOING TO ELLIS CREEK OR OTHER CENTRALIZED WATER TREATMENT, UH, VERSUS BUILDING OUT THAT DECENTRALIZED CAPACITY. 
          NOW IN THE BACKGROUND OF THIS, A COUPLE WEEKS AGO WE HAD SENT SOME OF OUR EARLY NOTES TO CITY STAFF FOR FEEDBACK AND I SAW DAN PEREIRA, I I DIDN'T GET TO READ THAT. 
          WE DIDN'T PROVIDE IT TO THIS GROUP 'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T REALLY READ IT YET. 
          UM, BUT HE JUST TALKS ABOUT HOW, LOOK, THIS IS SOMETHING WE WANT TO ENGAGE IN. 
          SO WE KNOW THE DIFFERENT CARBON IMPACTS IF WE CHOOSE ONE DIRECTION OR ANOTHER, OR WE BUILD OUT ONE CAPACITY VERSUS ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, BIG CIP PROJECTS VERSUS THIS DECENTRALIZED CAPACITY. 
          IT'S JUST AN EXERCISE WE FEEL WE NEED TO DO. 
          UM, SO IT MIGHT BE THAT THIS IS A, A NECESSARY EXERCISE. 
          IT DOESN'T IMPLY, YOU KNOW, HEY, WE'RE GONNA TURN AWAY FROM THESE SIP PROJECTS AND THESE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ELLIS CREEK OR OTHER FACILITIES, BUT WE JUST WANT TO SEE WHAT GAINS CAN BE REALIZED FROM GOING A DECENTRALIZED ROUTE. 
          UH, BUT THAT, THAT AREA REALLY HIGHLIGHTED THAT WHAT SEEMED LIKE AN INFLECTION POINT OR A DECISION POINT. 
          AND THEN POLICY IU 5.2 IMPROVE ENERGY RECOVERY AND ONSITE ENERGY PRODUCTION AT ELLIS CREEK. 
          AND WE WONDERED IF THERE WAS APPROPRIATE TO PUT IN LIKE A FLOATING SOLAR GOAL THERE BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT HAD BEEN PILOTED. 
          IS THERE SOMETHING THERE WE WANT TO EXPLORE BECAUSE IT'S ALL ABOUT ENERGY RECOVERY AND ONSITE PRODUCTION AT THAT SITE. 
          UH, AND THEN GOAL SIX, WE MOVE AWAY FROM WATER, WHICH IS A HUGE AREA. 
          WE HAD TONS MORE COMMENTS ABOUT THAT, BUT WE MOVE INTO MORE, UH, SOLID WASTE AND WASTE MANAGEMENT. 
          UH, SO GOAL IU SIX, WASTE REDUCTION, REDUCING SOLID WASTE. 
          A LOT OF THESE POLICIES, WE HAD SOME OF THE SAME BOTH CONTEXTUAL QUESTIONS AND THOUGHTS ABOUT HOW DO WE DO APPROPRIATE GOAL SETTING. 
          UH, AND THEN WHEN WE THINK ABOUT WHAT WE CAN ADVOCATE FOR TO GET OUR OUTCOMES WITH OUR WASTE OPERATORS AND OUR PUBLIC WORKS CONTRACTORS, BECAUSE IT TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HAVING PUBLIC WORKS CONTRACTORS. 
          UM, LET ME JUST MAKE SURE I'VE GOT THE REFERENCE TIED DOWN FOR THAT 'CAUSE I THOUGHT THAT WAS AN INTERESTING ONE. 
          UH, YEAH, FOR THE GOAL SETTING, YOU KNOW, ACTION IU 6.16 SAID SUPPORT RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL FOOD WASTE COMPOSTING. 
          BUT LIKE, SHOULD WE HAVE A GOAL FOR HOW MANY, YOU KNOW, UH, PEOPLE WE WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT PROGRAM. 
          AND THEN, UH, INVESTIGATE NOVEL APPROACHES TO REPURPOSING RECYCLABLE MATERIALS IN PUBLIC WORKS PROJECTS SUCH AS ADDING RECYCLED PAVING MATERIALS. 
          AND THEN SHOULD THAT BE IN OUR CONTRACTS FOR PUBLIC WORK PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS MAYBE THAT ALREADY EXISTS AND IS IMPLICIT IN OUR CONTRACTING PROCESS. 
          BUT JUST ONE OF THOSE NATURAL KIND OF FOLLOW ALONG QUESTIONS. 
          IF WE'RE MAKING A STANDARD FOR OUR TEAM, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT TRANSFERS TO ANY CONTRACTORS OR PEOPLE THEY, THEY USE FOR TO PERFORM WORK. 
          UH, GOAL I USE SEVEN ZERO EMISSIONS WASTE OPERATIONS. 
          SO AGAIN, PRIORITIZE MAXIMUM REUSE AND RECYCLING OF MATERIALS AND POLICY. 
          I USE 7.2 AGAIN, HOW MUCH POWER DO WE HAVE IN CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS WITH WASTE OPERATORS? IT TALKED ABOUT LIKE, I BELIEVE THIS IS THE AREA WHERE IT TALKED ABOUT ANAEROBIC DIGESTION AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. 
          AND YEAH, EXPLORE THE FEASIBILITY OF ANAEROBIC DIGESTION AND CIRCULAR ENERGY AND IS THAT THE KIND OF THING WE CAN ASK FROM OUR OPERATORS TO PURSUE SOME OF THOSE IDEAS? SO IT'S NOT LIKE THE CITY HAS TO INVEST IN ANAEROBIC, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S WITH THE OPERATOR WE RENEGOTIATE WITH. 
          WE WANNA SEE THOSE KIND OF CIRCULAR ENERGY CONCEPTS WITH THEM. 
          AND THEN GOAL IU EIGHT, RENEWABLE 
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AND RESILIENT ENERGY. 
          I THINK THE BIG ONE HERE IS REALLY MAKING SURE WE UNDERSTAND THIS A HUNDRED PERCENT OF ENERGY NEEDS FROM FOSSIL FUEL ALTERNATIVES. 
          I THINK THAT WAS CALLED OUT BRILLIANTLY IN THE, IN THE KIND OF PREVIEW OF THESE DIFFERENT POLICIES. 
          THE QUESTION THAT'S BEING ASKED THERE, IS IT SUFFICIENT TO SAY, HEY, WE'RE ALL ELECTRIC AND OUR ELECTRIC PROVIDER IS ALL FROM RENEWABLE SOURCES, OR DO WE WANNA MANDATE, HEY, WE WANT A HUNDRED PERCENT FOSSIL FUEL ALTERNATIVE GENERATION ON SITE. 
          WE SAW THAT AS REALLY INFEASIBLE RIGHT NOW, UM, AND POTENTIALLY A HUGE REQUIREMENT THAT WOULD STIFLE DEVELOPMENT. 
          IF YOU HAD A BIG RESIDENTIAL PROJECT AND YOU SAID, NOW BUILD YOUR FIELD OF SOLAR PANELS TO POWER IT. 
          UM, WE WOULDN'T WANT THAT TO BE A HUGE BARRIER. 
          NOW I BELIEVE IN THE, THE POLICY AND THE ACTION ITEMS, THERE ARE CAVEATS WRITTEN IN THERE AS IS FEASIBLE. 
          UH, BUT WE JUST, AFTER DISCUSSING THAT ITEM AND LIKE WHERE THE TECHNOLOGY IS NOW, NOW WE'RE LOOKING 20 YEARS OUT OF COURSE. 
          SO THAT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER, BUT IT JUST SEEMED LIKE I WOULD RATHER HAVE THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT FROM FOSSIL FUEL ALTERNATIVES WITHOUT MANDATING ONSITE. 
          I THINK ENCOURAGING ONSITE THINGS OF THAT NATURE IS MORE VIABLE IN THE SHORT TERM. 
          AND MAYBE IT'S JUST SOFTENING TO SAY EXPLORE, YOU KNOW, REQUIRING ONSITE GENERATION IN THE FUTURE OR MAYBE IT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF LAND USE OR PROJECT CONTEXT THAT NECESSITATES THAT. 
          UM, BUT WE THOUGHT THAT WAS A REALLY BIG DISCUSSION POINT IS DO WE WANT TO SAY TOTALLY REQUIRING ONSITE GENERATION VERSUS A HUNDRED PERCENT RENEWABLE ENERGY FROM YOUR ELECTRIC PROVIDER? AND THEN POLICY, UH, IU 8.2 WAS UNDERGROUNDING PUBLIC UTILITY LINES. 
          SO, UH, JANICE RIGHT AWAY , I THINK IN ONE OF OUR MEETINGS SAYS, I WANT THE BET TO BE A REQUIREMENT FOR NEW DEVELOPMENTS. 
          SO SOMETHING ABOUT EXPLORING THAT REQUIREMENT FOR NEW DEVELOPMENTS. 
          UM, AND THEN DO WE HAVE, AGAIN, GOAL SETTING FOR THE AMOUNT WE WANNA WORK WITH PG E TO UNDERGROUND IN X AMOUNT OF UTILITIES. 
          MAYBE IT'S IN A GIVEN AREA LIKE DOWNTOWN, OR MAYBE IT'S THE WHOLE CITY LIMITS, BUT IS IT APPROPRIATE TO BE A LITTLE MORE AGGRESSIVE WITH GOAL SETTING THERE OR BECAUSE WE'RE RELYING ON PG E IS THE WAY IT PHRASED KINDA THE WAY IT HAS TO BE PHRASED CURRENTLY. 
          UH, OKAY. 
          AND THEN THE BIG DISCUSSION, WHAT, OH, OH, UH, THE BIG DISCUSSION ITEMS, IU NINE AND IU 10 ABOUT BROADBAND REINFORCED BY THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT. 
          WE HAD A COUPLE LAWYERS WHO WERE SAYING THEIR OFFICE IN PETALUMA DIDN'T HAVE THE SAME INTERNET CONNECTION AS THEIR BIG OFFICE IN SANTA ROSA AND THEY DIDN'T WANNA HAVE TO GO TO SANTA ROSA TO GET AN INTERNET. 
          UM, BUT IT'S THAT IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH SHOULD WE INVEST IN BROADBAND? WE HAD PLANNED TO REVIEW THIS, UH, LIKE I SAID BEFORE WITH JOSH SIMMONS WHO'S ON GPAC, WHO'S KIND OF A TECH EXPERT. 
          OUR GROUP DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO REVIEW IT BECAUSE WE WERE KIND OF DEFERRING THAT REVIEW AND IT NEVER QUITE ALIGNED. 
          SO THAT WAS A TIME ISSUE WITH US. 
          I DID WANNA BRING UP A SMALL CONTEXT PIECE THERE, UH, JUST FROM ME IN WORKING WITH CHRIS BOLT IN THE PAST, OUR PREVIOUS, UH, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS IN THAT HE SENT UP A MEETING WITH A, UH, FIBER OPTIC UTILITY THAT HELPS CITIES BUILD OUT THEIR OWN INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          AND I, I CAN FORWARD THAT INFORMATION TO THE GENERAL PLAN TEAM, UM, BECAUSE IN THAT QUESTION OF DO WE BUILD OUT OUR OWN FIBER FOR THAT LAST MILE DELIVERY OF BROADBAND, IT WAS REALLY EXPENSIVE AND YOU'D BE COMPETING AGAINST ENTRENCHED PROVIDERS THAT YOU WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO BEAT THEIR PRICES. 
          IF YOU'RE THE THIRD ENTRANT TO A INTERNET MARKET, NO ONE'S GONNA SWITCH FROM COMCAST OR SONIC TO YOU. 
          SO HE WAS LIKE, SO THERE'S INHERENT CHALLENGES WITH MAKING, LIKE ISSUING A BOND. 
          I WANNA SAY IT WAS LIKE 60 MILLION OR IT WAS EITHER I FORGET THE NUMBER OF ZERO 60 OR 600. 
          HUGE DIFFERENCE. 
          I THINK IT WAS 60. 
          IT'S LIKE I WOULD ESTIMATE ABOUT 60 MILLION YOU ISSUE A BOND, YOU'D HAVE TO MAKE THAT MONEY BACK. 
          I DON'T SEE IT. 
          BUT, UH, THIS, THIS, UH, CONSULTANT ADVOCATED FOR UM, BUILDING OUT POTENTIALLY CERTAIN AREAS OF THE CITY OR MAYBE JUST FOR CERTAIN CITY SERVICES LIKE EMERGENCY SERVICES TO START. 
          SO ANYWAY, I JUST WANTED TO INFORM THAT LITTLE PIECE, UH, THAT WE ENDED. 
          THAT WAS A MEETING ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, UH, WITH CHRIS BOLT AND SOME OF THE PUBLIC WORKS TEAM, BUT THIS WAS AN AREA THAT WAS ACKNOWLEDGED AS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT BY ALL OF OUR GROUP AND BY THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND WE JUST DIDN'T FEEL LIKE WE WERE ABLE TO TOTALLY GIVE IT IT'S DUE AND REVIEW IT. 
          ALRIGHT, SO I'VE BEEN TALKING A LOT. 
          THAT'S A GROUP DISCUSSION. 
          DO YOU WANT ME TO JUST GO THROUGH NOISE? IT'S SHORTER THAN THESE TWO AND JUST GO THROUGH IT. 
          IS THAT ALL RIGHT? I'M GETTING A STRAW POLL, HEAD NOD. 
          I LIKE IT. 
          WE'LL GO THROUGH IT. 
          UH, SO THE NOISE FRAMEWORK, AGAIN, SOME OF THESE BIGGER DISCUSSION POINTS, I THINK WHAT THIS FRAMEWORK HIGHLIGHTED WAS HOW LITTLE WE DEAL WITH IT SEEMINGLY NOISE AND VIBRATION IN MAKING LAND USE OR PLANNING DECISIONS CURRENTLY, WE WANTED TO UNDERSTAND BETTER THE CITY PROCESSES, WHETHER THAT'S PLANNING, I THINK WE KIND OF KNOW ENFORCEMENT FOR EVENTS AND AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          BUT WHEN WE PLAN FOR CITY PROCESSES OR IN OUR BUILDING CODES, WHICH I KNOW CAL GREEN HAS MENTION OF BOTH, UM, JUST WHERE SOUND AND VIBRATIONS SHOW UP AND THAT HELPS US DECIDE WELL ARE THE STANDARDS APPROPRIATE? 'CAUSE THROUGHOUT THERE'S KIND OF MENTION OF APPROPRIATE STANDARDS, DO WE NEED TO SET NEW STANDARDS? UM, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT STRATEGIES 
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TO MITIGATE SOUND AND VIBRATION, WHAT STANDARDS ARE WE TRYING TO MEET WITH THOSE STRATEGIES? SO IT WAS THE DISCUSSION OF MAKING SURE WE HAVE ALL THE CONTEXT FOR WHAT ARE THE, THE VIBRATION METRICS, THE DECIBEL METRICS FOR SOUND, HOW ARE WE MAKING SURE WE'RE HITTING THEM CURRENTLY AND THEN WE CAN BETTER ADVOCATE FOR WHAT THEY SHOULD BE. 
          AND SO YEAH, THAT GOES TO CREATING NEW STANDARDS. 
          ALSO CONTEXT SPECIFICITY THAT CAME UP A FEW TIMES IF YOU'RE, I MEAN THE FIRST ITEM WE'RE GONNA REVIEW HAS THIS TABLE THAT TALKS ABOUT DIFFERENT LAND USE AND APPROPRIATE SOUND LEVELS. 
          UM, BUT JUST EXPANDING THAT OUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SOUND, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S GOING THROUGH A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD OR GOING NEXT TO OPEN SPACE, DO WE INCREASE SOME OF OUR THRESHOLDS? SO WE TRY TO ADD SOME LAND USE OR CONTEXT SPECIFICITY TO OUR CURRENT REGS. 
          AND THEN CREATING SUPPORTING REFERENCE DOCUMENTATION. 
          MAYBE THIS EXISTS, MAYBE THERE'S AN OUTSIDE REGULATORY BODY WITH BEST PRACTICES ON SOUND MITIGATION STRATEGIES DURING CONSTRUCTION OR POST-CONSTRUCTION. 
          UH, MAYBE IT'S EXPLICIT IN THE COW GREEN BUILDING CODES. 
          UM, BUT JUST MAKING SURE WE HAVE THAT REFERENCE DOCUMENTATION AVAILABLE BECAUSE WE HAVE POLICIES THAT TRY TO ADVOCATE FOR MORE SOUND AND VIBRATION MITIGATION. 
          SO GOAL, UH, NOI ONE APPROPRIATE SOUND LEVELS. 
          SO POLICY NOI 1.1, ENCOURAGING LAND USE COMPATIBILITY. 
          THIS IS A BIG ONE AND I SHOULD HAVE JUST PUT THE TABLE IN MY SLIDE. 
          I SHOULD HAVE GIVEN THE CAVEAT, I'M NOT A POWERPOINT PERSON. 
          THIS IS ALL , THIS IS ALL VERY ROUGH. 
          BUT THERE IS A GREAT TABLE ABOUT LAND USE AND APPROPRIATE SOUND LEVELS UNDER POLICY. 
          NOI 1.1, JUST UNDERSTANDING IS THAT CURRENTLY BEING USED, HOW DOES THAT INTEGRATE INTO OUR LAND USE DISCUSSIONS? WE DEFINITELY AGREE THAT IT'S WORTHY OF EXPLORING WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE LAND USE FRAMEWORK, WHERE DOES SOUND FIT IN? HOW APPROPRIATE IS SOUND? I MEAN THERE'S DISCUSSION LATER ABOUT CONTOUR MAPS THAT MAP WHERE A LOT OF THE BIG SOUND AREAS ARE AROUND THE AIRPORT TRANSIT. 
          UH, BUT IT'S MAKING SURE WE REALLY HAVE A HANDLE ON THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT LAND USE COMPATIBILITY. 
          ALSO THERE WAS MENTIONED COW GREEN STANDARDS, TWO ACTION ITEMS UNDER THAT POLICY JUST KIND OF REITERATED EXISTING COW GREEN STANDARDS. 
          IF THOSE ARE SOMETHING WE ALREADY ASK APPLICANTS OR DEVELOPMENT TO ADHERE TO, IS IT WORTH RESTATING OR SHOULD WE JUST TAKE THOSE OUT AND PUT SOMETHING ELSE IN THERE? UM, POLICY NOI 1.2 REVISE THE MUNI CODE AND THE IZO. 
          UH, AND THIS WAS JUST DIDN'T HAVE ANY ACTION ITEMS FOR IT. 
          MAYBE THIS IS A TOUGH ONE FOR HOW WE WOULD UPDATE OUR MUNI CODE AND IZO TO ACCOUNT FOR MORE SOUND REGULATION OR FOR THE PLANNING PROCESS, YOU KNOW, BEFORE AN APPLICATION COMES IN, WHAT KIND OF REVIEW WE'RE DOING ON THESE ISSUES. 
          SO JUST THOUGHT THERE COULD BE SOME KIND OF ACTION BUILT OUT THERE. 
          OR MAYBE A LITTLE MORE CONTEXT THAT SAYS WHAT WE DO CURRENTLY AND WHAT CHANGES COULD BE POSSIBLE. 
          UH, GOAL NOI TWO, NOISE MANAGEMENT. 
          SO CALL THAT A COUPLE POLICIES HERE. 
          POLICY NOI 2.2 REDUCE NOISE THROUGH DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. 
          SO AGAIN, WHAT ARE WE DOING CURRENTLY? WHAT EXISTS CURRENTLY THE RAS AND DEVELOPERS TO ENGAGE IN BESIDES DURING CONSTRUCTION? ARE THERE ANY OTHER REQUIREMENTS? UM, AND THEN DO WE HAVE GUIDELINES AND DOCUMENTATION FOR NOISE MITIGATION WE CAN POINT TO CURRENTLY? OR DO WE HAVE TO BUILD THOSE OUT TO ASSIST IN THAT GOAL? UM, AND THEN POLICY, NOI 2.3 ENCOURAGE ALTERNATIVE SOUND BARRIERS. 
          THIS IS A BIG ONE BECAUSE IT CALLS OUT LIKE EARTHWORKS, BUT ALSO VEGETATION. 
          AND ONE OF OUR MEMBERS, UH, WHO'S A BIG TREE EXPERT WAS LIKE, TREES ARE NOT AN EFFECTIVE SOUND BUFFER. 
          SO WE NEED TO REALLY EXPLORE LIKE EARTHWORKS AND BIG BERMS ARE. 
          BUT, AND, AND MAYBE THIS CAN BE REFUTED BY, UH, JOSH OR ONE OF THE, THE TEAM HERE ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW EFFECTIVE VEGETATION REALLY IS AS A SOUND BARRIER. 
          'CAUSE WE DON'T WANNA PLAY THAT UP IF IT DOESN'T GET A LOT OF OF RESULTS TOWARD OUR GOAL, UH, POLICY. 
          NOI 2.5 LIMIT NON-RESIDENTIAL NOISE SOURCES. 
          SO AGAIN, WHAT KIND OF STANDARDS DO WE APPLY TO THIS? DO WE HAVE SOMEONE ON AN ONGOING BASIS DOING STUDIES TO MAKE SURE WE'RE HITTING AVERAGE SOUND AMOUNTS? IS IT JUST DURING A CONSTRUCTION CONTEXT OR A PRE-PLANNING CONTEXT? OR EXCUSE ME, A LAND USE PLANNING CONTEXT. 
          UH, AND THEN WHAT OUR GUIDELINES AND DOCUMENTATION CURRENTLY, UM, REGARDING LIMITING SOME OF THOSE NOISE SOURCES. 
          SO MOVING TO GOAL NOI THREE, TEMPORARY NOISE, AGAIN, THERE'S LIMITING CONSTRUCTION NOISE. 
          DBA MEASUREMENTS AND GOALS THAT ARE ALREADY ON THE BOOKS. 
          AND THEN DO WE ADD SPECIFICITY FOR SURROUNDING LAND USES? MAYBE WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE REQUIREMENT FOR CONSTRUCTION NOISE MITIGATION IF IT'S NEXT TO A SENSITIVE OPEN SPACE OR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD COMPARED TO IF IT'S IN A DOWNTOWN COMMERCIAL AREA. 
          OR MAYBE YOU FLIP THAT AROUND, I DON'T KNOW. 
          BUT, UH, SOME OF THAT CONTEXT PIECE GOAL, NOI FOUR, TRANSPORTATION NOISE, THIS IS A BIG ONE. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT LIMITING TRUCK TRAFFIC. 
          WE PROPOSED A NEW ACTION TO ANALYZE TRUCK ROUTES IN THE CITY AND REROUTE AWAY FROM RESIDENTIAL AREAS IS, IS FEASIBLE. 
          DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS THE PURVIEW OF THE GENERAL PLAN, BUT DID SEEM TO BE A BIG PAIN POINT WITH RESIDENTS. 
          UH, AND, AND MAYBE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ADDRESS THAT ONE 16 ISSUE OF RUNNING TRUCKS THROUGH A RESIDENTIAL 
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AREAS. 
          MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT THAT HELPS WITH THOSE SOUND AND VIBRATION MITIGATION. 
          AND THAT GOAL, NOI FIVE LEADS US INTO VIBRATION. 
          THIS IS POLICY NOI 5.1. 
          PROTECT BUILDINGS FROM VIBRATION. 
          AND THIS ONE, WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTOOD THE CONTEXT OF IT. 
          THE ACTION ITEMS DON'T DIRECTLY SAY, YOU KNOW, DURING CONSTRUCTION OR, UH, IT SETS STANDARDS FOR POTENTIAL BUILDING TYPES LIKE HISTORIC BUILDINGS, THE, THE LIMITED AMOUNT OF VIBRATION WE WANT TO SEE BEING EXPERIENCED OR NEW CONSTRUCTION OR, BUT IT DIDN'T SAY, YOU KNOW, IS THAT DURING SURROUNDING CONSTRUCTION THAT WE WANNA SEE THESE LOW VIBRATION METRICS? IS IT ALL THE TIME? HOW DO WE MEASURE THAT? SO I THINK A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT PIECE THERE WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL. 
          UH, IS THERE ALREADY BUILDING STANDARDS? IS THERE MORE WE CAN DO TO INTEGRATE THIS INTO BUILDING STANDARDS? AND THEN IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO EXPLORE VIBRATION REDUCTION STRATEGIES ON ROADS, MATERIALS, THINGS WE CAN DO TO PREVENT, UM, TO, TO DO MORE VIBRATION REDUCTION JUST IN OUR MUNICIPAL, UH, ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          ALRIGHT, THAT'S IT. 
          THOSE ARE OUR ANALYSIS FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, INFRASTRUCTURE AND UTILITIES AND NOISE. 
          AGAIN, I CAN GO BACK TO SOME OF THE BROADER DISCUSSION POINTS FOR NOW. 
          I'LL STOP THE SHARE. 
          UM, BUT WE HAD SOME SPECIFIC KIND OF OVERARCHING ITEMS WE'D LOVE TO GET. 
          JUST GENERAL THOUGHTS AND CONSENSUS ON. 
          WELL ACTUALLY TO THAT POINT I WAS GONNA ASK IT. 
          IT'S CLEAR THAT YOU HAVE QUESTIONS THAT ARE SPECIFIC FOR STAFF. 
          THINGS THAT ARE, CAN WE EVEN DO THIS? WHAT ARE OTHER CITIES DOING? THAT SORT OF THING. 
          DID YOU, 'CAUSE THEY'RE QUITE EXPANSIVE. 
          DID YOU HAVE A PRIORITIZED LIST OF WHAT YOU REALLY WANT US TO GET FEEDBACK ON? ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO LET ME JUST SHARE AGAIN AND I'LL GO TO SOME OF THOSE GENERAL COMMENT PIECES. 
          UH, SO STARTING ALL THE WAY BACK AT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, I THINK THESE WERE THE OVERARCHING DISCUSSION POINTS WE WANTED TO GET FEEDBACK ON. 
          YOU KNOW, IS IT WORTH HAVING A SEPARATE GOAL TALKING ABOUT BUSINESS AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT LED BY THE CITY AND WHAT THAT CAPACITY BUILDING LOOKS LIKE. 
          UM, INDUSTRY SPECIFIC, SHOULD WE REFERENCE OR NOT? I THINK THAT'S A PRETTY SIMPLE ONE EITHER OR AGRICULTURE, WHERE THAT GETS MENTIONED. 
          IS IT ITS OWN AREA? IS IT APPROPRIATE WHERE IT IS? UH, AND THEN THOSE OTHER PIECES, I THINK WHEN IT COMES TO URBAN PLANNING, REALLY THAT'S LIKE SHOULD WE HAVE A DOWNTOWN SPECIFIC PLAN MENTIONED HERE? IS IT APPROPRIATE? IS IT NOT? UH, AND THEN ZONING AND LAND USE FLEXIBILITY. 
          I THINK WE ALL KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE UPDATES TO OUR ZONING AND LAND USE. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THAT ONE. 
          MAYBE THE SAME WITH ED TWO AND ED SIX THOUGH. 
          ANY COMMENTS ON LIKE THAT EQUITY AND SMALL BUSINESS OVERLAP AND IF WE SHOULD BE KIND OF MOVING THINGS BETWEEN THEM OR EXPANDING, BUT REALLY I THINK IT'S ITEM ONE. 
          I SHOULD HAVE NUMBERED THEM. 
          UH, 1, 2, 3, 4, AND SIX. 
          I THINK WE'RE KIND OF THE BIG THINGS WE WERE HOPING TO GET A LITTLE CONSENSUS ON. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M GONNA LET FOLKS RAISE THEIR HAND FOR WHO WOULD LIKE TO GO. 
          I DON'T WANNA PUT ANYONE ON THE SPOT CHAIR. 
          WOULD A SHORT BREAK BE APPROPRIATE? YOU KNOW WHAT, TO BE FAIR IF, IF THE AD HOC DOESN'T MIND IT HAS BEEN A MINUTE. 
          WE'RE GONNA DO A FIVE MINUTE BREAK REAL FAST FOR FOLKS NEEDS AND THEN WE'LL BE BACK AIR. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK, THANK YOU FOR TURNING OFF THE AIR CONDITIONING. 
          WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THAT. 
          UH, I AM NOW GONNA CALL THE MEETING BACK TO ORDER. 
          UH, THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN WE INTENDED, UH, BUT WE'VE GONE THROUGH A LOT OF CONTENT TONIGHT SO FAR. 
          SO, UH, I'M GOING TO ADJUST COURSE FROM WHAT I PROPOSED EARLIER. 
          I'M JUST GOING TO GO DOWN THE ROW FOR QUESTIONS THAT, OR FOR COMMENTS AND FEEDBACK THAT FOLKS HAVE FOR THE AD HOC, BUT ALSO IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, THAT IS TOTALLY ACCEPTABLE AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU, DARREN. 
          I WANTED TO OH, HIGHLIGHT IT EVEN BETTER. 
          UH, AND NUMBERED WANTED TO HAVE THOSE ON FOLKS SCREENS. 
          UM, I'M NOT GONNA START AT THE END WHERE THE AD HOC MEMBERS ARE, SO I'M GOING TO START HERE WITH JESSICA. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE SCATTERED . 
          UM, I DO APPRECIATE, UM, THE DISCUSSION AROUND FLEXIBILITY, UM, FOR MORE RETAIL AND BUSINESS NEAR RESIDENTS. 
          I THINK A LOT OF WHAT WE HEARD FROM, UM, THE CONSULTANT WHO CHATTED WITH US ABOUT FRESNO IS THAT LIKE HAVING STREAMLINED CODE THAT ALLOWS FOR SORT OF NATURAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO CROP UP, UM, I THINK IS, IS REALLY ATTRACTIVE. 
          YOU CAN DO PREDICTIONS, YOU CAN DO SPECIFIC PLANS, UM, BUT SOMETIMES YOU'LL BE SURPRISED . 
          UM, AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE DRIVING TOWARDS A FUTURE THAT ALLOWS FOR THAT FLEXIBILITY, 
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UM, AS WE DO RECOGNIZE THAT MIXED USE, UM, CAN BE VERY VALUABLE IN COMMUNITIES AND, UM, JUST DRIVE THAT ORGANIC ECONOMIC GROWTH AS OPPOSED TO BEING REALLY PRESCRIPTIVE. 
          UM, DO WE WANNA GO SECTION BY SECTION OR JUST GO THROUGH ALL OF 'EM? UH, GO THROUGH ALL 'EM. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, IN TERMS OF UTILITIES, I WOULD SAY THAT, UM, THRILLED THAT WE'RE THINKING THIS FAR OUT, OBVIOUSLY VERY IMPORTANT. 
          THE CRITICAL SERVICES THAT THE CITY PROVIDES, UM, YOU KNOW, ARE ARE VERY IMPORTANT. 
          SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE, UM, WHETHER IT'S WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE GENERAL PLAN OR WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF PRESENTING THE IT TO THE PUBLIC, THAT WE GET REALLY, UM, CLEAR COMMUNICATION ABOUT SORT OF THE SERIOUS UPGRADES AND THE TIME SENSITIVITY ACROSS ANY OF THE, UM, YOU KNOW, UTILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE AS MUCH AS WE ARE CONCEIVING OF A REALLY EXCITING PETALUMA, IF YOU DON'T HAVE WASTEWATER  GETTING DEALT WITH, YOU KNOW, IIII COULD CARE LESS ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER NICE THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          SO, UM, JUST BEING REALLY CLEAR ABOUT THE UPGRADES THAT ARE NECESSARY. 
          AND THEN ALSO AS IT PERTAINS TO THE, UM, WATER OUTLOOK INTO THE FUTURE. 
          UM, I WOULD SIMILARLY, UH, ENCOURAGE THE, IF NOT THE GENERAL PLAN, THE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE GENERAL PLAN TO BE QUITE, UM, SPECIFIC ABOUT THAT THIS DOES INCORPORATE EXPECTED GROWTH. 
          'CAUSE I THINK WE HEAR THIS A LOT, UM, IN VARIOUS FORUMS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ADDING TO OUR, OUR HOUSING STOCK OR OR OTHER BUILDING GROWTH THAT THERE'S CONCERNS ABOUT WATER AND WE ARE THINKING ABOUT IT AND WE ARE PLANNING FOR IT, SO WE SHOULD SAY. 
          SO. 
          UM, AND THEN IN TERMS OF NOISE, I THINK, UH, THERE WAS SOME QUESTION ON BREAK ABOUT SORT OF LIKE, MY UNDERSTANDING OF THIS GRAPH IS LESS ABOUT NOISE GENERATION OF THOSE TYPES OF FACILITIES AND MORE ABOUT SORT OF NEARBY NOISE. 
          UM, SO THAT WAS HELPFUL CLARIFICATION. 
          I, I AM, UH, WHEN I LIKE SORT OF FIRST STARTED FAMILIARIZING MYSELF WITH THE FRAMEWORKS, I WAS NERVOUS THAT WE WERE DRIVING TOWARDS NOISE RESTRICTIONS. 
          UM, BECAUSE A VIBRANT CITY IS NOISY AND CULTURE IS OFTEN NOISY, . 
          UM, SO I DON'T WANT US TO BE TOO, UH, RESTRICTING. 
          AND, AND ALSO THERE'S VARIOUS, UM, DIVERSITY CONSIDERATIONS WHEN IT COMES TO NOISE. 
          UH, SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD JUST HATE TO SEE THAT CULTURAL EVENTS WERE GETTING QUASHED OR, YOU KNOW, WE WERE BEING, UH, SORT OF RESTRICTIVE ON CHILDREN WHO ARE AN IMPORTANT PART OF OUR COMMUNITY BUT ARE OFTEN QUITE NOISY. 
          UM, SO JUST BEING AWARE THAT, UM, THERE'S SOME CONCERNS AROUND SORT OF STIFLING THAT VIBRANCY WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT NOISE. 
          UM, BUT ALL IN ALL, I THINK AS I SAID BEFORE, THAT THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD WORK GOING INTO THIS GENERAL PLAN AND IT'S EXCITING STUFF. 
          OKAY, ROGER? YEAH, THANK YOU. 
          UH, FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA COMPLIMENT DARREN ON A GREAT JOB OF SUMMARIZING THE AD HOC WORK. 
          UM, I KNOW HE COULD HAVE SPENT A COUPLE HOURS ON, BUT HE GOT IT. 
          UM, JUST A FEW THINGS. 
          FIRST OF ALL, UM, IT IT, IT CAME TO MY, UH, SURPRISE THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE URBAN GROWTH LINE, THE URBAN LIMIT LINE, THAT ALL MAKES SENSE TO ME. 
          WE'RE SAYING THIS IS AS FAR AS WE WANT TO GROW INTO THE OPEN SPACE, BUT WE'RE, BUT WE'RE NOT ASSUMING, BUT WE'RE ASSUMING THE OPEN SPACE IS ALWAYS GONNA BE THERE, WHICH IS A QUESTION OF WHERE WE GO TO IT. 
          I THINK THE QUESTION DARREN'S RAISING IS AG AG IS THE PRIMARY OPEN SPACE. 
          WHAT'S THE ECONOMICS OF AG? AND ARE WE PROTECTING IT? AND ARE WE DEALING WITH IT? AND ARE WE PROVIDING GOALS? AND, AND BECAUSE IT'S, I MEAN, WITH THAT GROWTH LINE MEANS NOTHING IF, IF THE AG DRIES UP AND, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK IT'S, IT'S AN IMPORTANT ISSUE, BUT IT'S ALSO A COUNTY ISSUE MORE THAN PROBABLY A CITY ISSUE. 
          BUT THAT URBAN GROWTH LINE IS SORT OF AN ARBITRARY LINE BECAUSE BOTH SIDES OF IT ARE IMPORTANT. 
          AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE DEAL WITH BOTH SIDES. 
          UM, AS FAR AS THIS SPECIFIC, SPECIFIC PLAN, I MEAN, I THINK THE GOAL IS TO GET SOMETHING MORE SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED AND, AND I THINK MORE OF A FRAMEWORK OR A STRUCTURE SPECIFIC PLAN GETS INTO BUILDINGS AND DESIGN AND, AND A LOT OF THINGS, BUT A FRAMEWORK STRUCTURE, AND THIS IS MORE FOR THE PLANNER GUY OVER THERE. 
          UM, THE FRAMEWORK, UH, UH, IS 
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A, A, UH, STRUCTURE THAT HOLDS THE CITY TOGETHER. 
          EVERYTHING IS HELD TOGETHER BY THE STRUCTURE. 
          UM, AND I THINK THAT STRUCTURE BECOMES MORE IMPORTANT IN SOME CASES THAN THE ACTUAL STUFF ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE, THE LINE. 
          SO THAT THAT RIBBON OF CORRIDORS, PUBLIC CORRIDORS OR LAND, YOU KNOW, LAND USE EDGES, STREET SCAPE, BUILDING, FACADES, ROAD DESIGN, THAT IS AN IMPORTANT DESIGN ELEMENT. 
          AND THAT CREATES A SENSE OF PLACE. 
          WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT SENSE OF PLACE YET, BUT THAT TO ME, THAT DRIVES A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS THAT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT. 
          SO, AND THERE'S SO MUCH OVERLAP BETWEEN THESE ELEMENTS AND REINFORCEMENT AND KIND OF, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR IT OR WHERE, WHERE THE RESPONSIBILITY LANDS. 
          UM, SO I, I, I JUST THINK WE NEED TO THINK OF, UM, MORE COLLECTIVELY AND WHAT'S THE GLUE THAT WE HAVE TO PUT TOGETHER TO HOLD THE CITY TOGETHER THAT CELEBRATES THE DOWNTOWN. 
          THE DOWNTOWN IS, IS SORT, SORT OF AN ISLAND CONNECTED BY A BUNCH OF BIG BOULEVARDS. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO IMPROVE THOSE LINKAGES TO DOWNTOWN SO THAT THEY'RE BETTER, UH, PRESENT PETALUMA AND BETTER, UM, AND MAKE IT MORE ATTRACTIVE AND MAKE IT MORE OF A DESTINATION AND MAKE IT MORE MEMORABLE. 
          LIKE MOST CITIES HAVE MAIN, MAIN IMPORTANT ROADS. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S MY ISSUE. 
          YEAH. 
          HEIDI, THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          UM, YEAH, I'LL JUST GO THROUGH SOME OF THE, UM, HIGHLIGHTED AREAS HERE AND THEN I'LL JUST, I HAVE A LITTLE OF A, A RAPID FIRE LIST, UM, AFTERWARDS. 
          UM, CAN, UM, UH, VICE CHAIR KUSON, CAN YOU REMIND ME WHAT THE AFFIRMATIVE CITY LEADERSHIP IS? AGAIN, THAT WAS THIS IDEA OF EITHER REALLY EXPANDING A POLICY OR MAKING ITS OWN GOAL FOR TALKING ABOUT HOW THE CITY CAN BUILD OUT MORE BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT. 
          UH, A BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. 
          UH, THERE'S SOME TRAINING BUILT IN THERE. 
          WE HAVE A SPECIFIC GOAL MENTIONED IN OUR DRAFT DOCUMENT THAT HAS A BUNCH OF BULLET POINTS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE CONSIDERED TO FORMALIZE THAT DEPARTMENT WITHIN THE CITY AND MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE ROBUST TO SUPPORT WITH KIND OF ALL OF THE ANALYSIS, RESEARCH, POTENTIAL BROKERING BETWEEN PROPERTY OWNERS. 
          I MEAN, JUST FORMALIZING SOME OF THAT. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. 
          GREAT. 
          UM, UM, LET'S SEE, THE NUMBER TWO INDUSTRY SPECIFIC VERSUS INDUSTRY AGNOSTIC. 
          I THINK, UM, INDUSTRY SPECIFIC IS FINE. 
          WHERE IT'S APPROPRIATE, AS LONG AS IT'S NOT LIKE TOO, UM, YEAH, EXACTLY LIKE WHAT YOU SAID, EXCLUSIONARY TO OTHER INDUSTRIES. 
          SO TO WORK WITH THAT TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, WORDING, UM, AG I, PERSONALLY, I THINK IF IT'S NOT WITHIN OUR CITY, WE SHOULD STAY OUT OF IT. 
          THAT'S, YOU KNOW, SO YEAH, WE CAN, I, I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD, WE COULD, UM, DEAL WITH AG INSIDE OF OUR CITY LIMITS, BUT IF IT'S OUTSIDE OF OUR CITY LIMITS, MAYBE LEAVE THAT TO THE COUNTY AND THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE ALWAYS FEEL SENSITIVE ABOUT US BUTTING INTO OTHER PEOPLE'S JURISDICTIONS. 
          SO , UM, OFFICE BUILDINGS. 
          UM, I, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I WAS, WHEN AMY'S CAME INTO OUR DOWNTOWN, I WAS LIKE, OH, DO WE NEED AN OFFICE BUILDING THERE? BUT I THINK IT'S WORKING OUT, IT SEEMS, YOU KNOW, LIKE IT'S A GOOD IDEA AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE, UH, WORKING THERE SUPPORT THE LOCAL BUSINESSES AND IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S HAPPENING. 
          SO I DON'T WANNA DISCOURAGE OFFICE BUILDINGS. 
          . 
          UM, LET'S SEE. 
          AND THE SPECIFIC PLANS, I LIKE SPECIFIC PLANS. 
          I THINK THEY'RE A GOOD IDEA AS LONG AS THEY'RE BROAD ENOUGH AND THEY DON'T LIKE JUST, UM, GET TOO NARROW, TOO NARROWLY FOCUSED. 
          AND THEN ZONING AND LAND USE FLEXIBILITY. 
          I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO THERE. 
          I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, TOO MUCH OF OUR, UM, TOO MUCH OF OUR SUBURBIA IS THIS HAS TO BE SINGLE, YOU KNOW, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND THIS IS NOT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. 
          AND I THINK MAYBE GETTING AWAY FROM THAT IS, UM, NOT SUCH A BAD IDEA. 
          UM, LET'S SEE. 
          AND THEN I JUST HAD SOME RAPID FIRE THINGS THAT I JUST WANTED TO, BASED ON WHAT YOU SHARED, WHICH, UM, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH FOR YOUR HARD WORK. 
          THAT WAS REALLY, REALLY, YOU DID THE HARD WORK FOR THE REST OF US, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT . 
          I COULD SEE YOU PUT A LOT OF TIME INTO IT. 
          UM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO BRING UP SOME THINGS JUST THAT TRIGGERED, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST TRIGGERED SOME IDEAS IN MY HEAD, LIKE THE, UM, FLOATING SOLAR, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED OF COURSE, UM, SOMEBODY TO THINK ABOUT THE, UM, BIOLOGICAL IMPACTS OF THAT ON, UM, OUR LOCAL WATERFOWL RESOURCES. 
          SO JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT'S THOUGHT OUT IF WE GO THERE. 
          UM, I LOVE THE IDEA OF MORE FOOD WASTE COMPOSTING AT RESTAURANTS AND, UM, REQUIRING THEM TO USE COMPOSTABLE CONTAINERS FOR TAKEOUT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, I ALSO WOULDN'T MIND SOME MORE, UM, I, I THINK WE HAD SOME SORT OF CODE THAT SAID OUR, 
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UM, GROCERY STORES WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO LIKE JUST TOSS OUT, UM, THEIR FOOD WASTE, BUT I THINK THAT'S HAPPENING A LOT. 
          I HEAR IT IS, AND I'D LIKE TO SOMEHOW HAVE THAT AS A GOAL, UM, SOMEHOW BE ABLE TO HAVE THEM DO SOMETHING WITH THEIR, YOU KNOW, PRODUCE THAT THEY DIDN'T SELL FOR THE DAY INSTEAD OF CHUCKING IT, DONATING IT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN, IT'S MY DREAM. 
          I JUST SEE THEM THROWING IT OUT SO MUCH AND IT REALLY BREAKS MY HEART KNOWING THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THAT REALLY COULD USE THAT FOOD, UM, IN OUR CITY, IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS POSSIBLE, BUT REQUIRING, UM, NEW DEVELOPMENTS TO TIE INTO SONOMA CLEAN POWER. 
          THAT WOULD BE A DREAM TOO OF MINE. 
          UM, LET'S SEE. 
          AND THIS IS ANOTHER STRANGE THING I THOUGHT ABOUT. 
          UM, WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT UNDERGROUNDING OF NEW UTILITIES, UM, CAN WE REQUIRE THEM TO, UM, HAVE OPEN ACCESS TO OTHER USES? I DON'T KNOW, LIKE CAN IF SAY VERIZON OR PG E PUT SOME LINES IN OR SOMETHING CAN SONIC COME IN AND USE IT LATER ON OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? UM, BECAUSE UM, I'VE SEEN THAT SOME COMMUNITIES ARE SHUT OFF TO LIKE SONIC OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE SOMEBODY ELSE PUT IN AN UNDERGROUND UTILITY, WHICH WON'T LET THEM USE IT. 
          UM, LET'S SEE. 
          UM, I THINK THE, AND THEN MY LAST THING IS ON NOISE. 
          UM, IF THERE WAS SOME WAY THAT WE COULD HAVE THE AC UNITS PUT ON THE ROOF INSTEAD OF ON THE GROUND, UM, OR AT LEAST IF THEY ARE ON THE GROUND, MAKE SURE IT'S NOT AUDIBLE, UM, TO NEIGHBORS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          SO, UM, THOSE, THAT'S MY WISHLIST. 
          , THANK YOU. 
          UM, DARREN, I'M GOING TO SKIP YOU BECAUSE YOU GAVE THE PRESENTATION, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          GREAT. 
          UM, WE DID PUT A LOT OF TIME INTO THIS. 
          IT WAS EVERY WHAT, WEDNESDAY, FOUR O'CLOCK. 
          UM, AND I DO APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THE COMMITTEE DID. 
          YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE STUFF THAT WE TALKED ABOUT I JUST FEEL LIKE IS GONNA BE INCORPORATED OR NOT DEPENDING ON, UM, WHAT THE GENERAL PLAN, UH, CONSULTANTS IN THE CITY, YOU KNOW, SEE HOW WE CAN REALLY CONSOLIDATE A LOT OF STUFF. 
          WE JUST PUT EVERYTHING OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, DOES IT REALLY GO IN THE GENERAL PLAN OR DOES IT NOT GO IN THE GENERAL PLAN AND, YOU KNOW, AND HOW, HOW IT FITS IN. 
          SO, UM, SO I THINK IT WAS GOOD THAT WE WENT OVERBOARD 'CAUSE THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS. 
          UM, WHEN I TALKED ABOUT, UM, SPECIFIC PLANS, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE SPECIFIC PLANS AREN'T JUST A TOOL TO BE USED AND SOMETIMES THEY CAN BE TO STALL PROJECTS. 
          LET'S GO AHEAD AND THROW IT ON A SPECIFIC PLAN INSTEAD OF REALLY TACKLING IT AS A CITY. 
          UM, BUT I THINK SPECIFIC PLANS, THEY'RE VALUABLE. 
          THE CORONA RE THE CORONA SPECIFIC PLAN IS REALLY IMPORTANT. 
          YOU KNOW, HOW WE'RE GONNA REALLY LOOK AT THAT ENTIRE AREA. 
          SO WHEN I SEE A SPECIFIC PLAN, I SEE A REALLY LARGE AREA. 
          I DON'T SEE OUR DOWNTOWN AS A SPECIFIC PLAN. 
          WE, WE KIND OF HAVE A A DIRECTION WE'RE ALREADY GOING IN DOWNTOWN. 
          IT'S MORE DESIGN GUIDELINES I THINK IS, IS IMPORTANT. 
          UM, AND SO, UM, YOU NOISE IS A BIG ISSUE, YOU KNOW, FOR ME. 
          AND I APPRECIATE THAT HEIDI, YOU BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE ACS BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE PUT A NEW UNIT IN AND I DO HAVE THOUGHTS ABOUT IS MY NEIGHBOR HEARING THIS BECAUSE IT'S ON THE GROUND INSTEAD OF ABOVE, BUT THAT'S KIND OF HOW IT WAS DESIGNED AND YOU KNOW, SO, YOU KNOW, IT IS, UM, IT IS SOMETHING TO REALLY THINK ABOUT 'CAUSE IT'S RIGHT BY PEOPLE'S WINDOWS . 
          AND, UM, SO I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT UP. 
          AND AS FAR AS AGRICULTURE, YEAH, WE DON'T GO INTO THE COUNTY, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF AGRICULTURE RESOURCES IN WITHIN THE CITY. 
          SO I'M KIND OF LOOKING AT AG AS THOSE RESOURCES, UM, THAT GO TO THE AG, UM, COMMUNITIES, YOU KNOW, THE FEED MILLS, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST, UM, STUFF YOU KNOW, THAT YOU NEED ON A RANCH. 
          AND SO A LOT OF TIMES THAT IS BOUGHT WITHIN THE CITY. 
          SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I SEE MORE OF THE AG COMPONENT. 
          UM, UH, AND I THINK I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY ONLY BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION THERE, AND I DO BELIEVE THAT THE STAFF AND CONSULTANTS ARE GONNA KNOW HOW TO REALLY INTEGRATE THAT IN THERE. 
          AND I DO LIKE THE OVERLAPPING, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. 
          IF, IF WE'RE NOT OVERLAPPING WITHIN THE GENERAL PLAN, THEN SOMETHING'S WRONG. 
          YOU KNOW, BECAUSE EVERYTHING INTERCONNECTS. 
          SO THE OVERLAPPING OF LANGUAGE I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT. 
          AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY FOR NOW. 
          I WILL, I'LL START WITH SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTED POINTS BEFORE I GO INTO SOME OF THE ONES I HAD PRIOR. 
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UH, IN TERMS OF AFFIRMATIVE CITY LEADERSHIP, I, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE DESIRE TO WANT TO KIND OF SPELL OUT WHAT A DEPARTMENT WOULD LOOK LIKE. 
          I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A FULLY STAFFED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT WITH FULL FUNDING FOR OUTREACH TO THE KIND OF BUSINESSES WE MIGHT WANT TO SEE COME INTO PETALUMA. 
          THAT BEING SAID, I'M HIGHLY SKEPTICAL OF GETTING TOO PRESCRIPTIVE ABOUT STAFFING REQUIREMENTS IN A GENERAL PLAN WHEN FROM YEAR TO YEAR BUDGET TO BUDGET THOSE PRIORITIES MIGHT HAVE TO SHIFT. 
          I, I'VE SEEN, LIKE I'VE SEEN SANTA ROSA DO THIS THEMSELVES A FEW TIMES WITH, UH, EMERGENCY, EMERGENCY PERSONNEL STAFFING. 
          WELL, THEY PUT IT IN ONE PLAN THAT THEY NEED THIS MUCH BY THIS YEAR, AND THEN THEY'LL FIND OUT THEY ACTUALLY NEEDED AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT TYPE OF EMERGENCY RESPONSE PERSONNEL. 
          SO I, I'D WANT THIS TO BE ASPIRATIONAL, BUT NOT TOO DESCRIPTIVE, UH, JUST TO DEAL WITH COMPETING NEEDS INDUSTRY SPECIFIC VERSUS INDUSTRY AGNOSTIC. 
          UH, OUR, OUR LAST GENERAL PLAN, BOY DID IT LOVE RETAIL. 
          UM, I  I WOULD LOVE TO SEE US. 
          I I'M KIND OF LIKE A YES AND ON THIS ONE BECAUSE IT WOULD BE GREAT TO SEE A GENERAL PLAN THAT CALLED OUT THE KIND OF INDUSTRIES THAT WOULD BE SUSTAINABLE FOR PETALUMA, LIKE LIGHT TO MEDIUM MANUFACTURING, LIKE SOME OF THOSE MORE TECH ORIENTED OFFICE JOBS WE COULD BRING IN. 
          I KNOW IT, IT DID TALK ABOUT MAKER SPACES AND ONE OF THE FRAMEWORKS, BUT REALLY CALLED THOSE OUT. 
          SO IT GIVES, GIVES US A GUIDEPOST, BUT AT THE SAME TIME ISN'T INFLEXIBLE TO THE POINT OF STOPPING THE KIND OF NEW INDUSTRIES THAT WE HAVEN'T EVEN THOUGHT OF YET. 
          THAT COULD BE INCREDIBLY HELPFUL. 
          UH, BUT AS MUCH AS TOURISM IS SUCH A KEY ASPECT OF, OF WHAT WE DO, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A GENERAL PLAN MOVE IN THE DIRECTION OF MAKING US, I MEAN, FRANKLY, PANDEMIC PROOF OR EARTHQUAKE PROOF WHERE WE, WHEN WE GO THROUGH SOMETHING THAT DISRUPTS TRAVEL, PEOPLE ARE STILL HANGING ON AND THEY'RE NOT LOSING THEIR HOMES OVERNIGHT. 
          UM, RELATED, RELATED TO THIS, AND THIS KIND OF GOES INTO THE POINT ON THE DOWNTOWN, UM, I, AND I KNOW, UH, WE HAD PUBLIC COMMENT THAT BROUGHT THIS UP TOO. 
          I WOULD LOVE TO SEE MORE OF A FOCUS ON HOW WE UPDATE OUR HISTORIC REGISTRY, HOW WE LOOK FOR GRANT AND FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES TO GIVE FACELIFTS TO SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS WHERE THE SITE, THE BUILDING'S ALREADY PAID OFF. 
          THERE'S NO REASON WHY IT WOULD EVEN BE, MAKE ANY ECONOMIC SENSE FOR THEM TO DO ANYTHING TO CHANGE SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS. 
          BUT WHERE, YOU KNOW, WITH SOME MINOR UPDATES, WE COULD GET THE GRANT FUNDING TO LOOK AT THAT AND ALSO THEN DRIVE SOME MORE HISTORIC TOURISM AS WELL. 
          EVEN AS I JUST SAID, I WANNA MOVE AWAY FROM TOURISM. 
          BUT, UM, HAVING THAT AS PART OF THE DRIVING ENGINE IN THE DOWNTOWN. 
          'CAUSE I THINK THERE'S THIS IDEA OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION VERSUS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND I THINK IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AS A FACTOR OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION REALLY COMBINED. 
          UM, IN TERMS OF, IN TERMS OF AGRICULTURE, UH, I AGREE WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBER THAT A LOT SHOULD FOCUS ON WHAT ARE THE SUPPORTING INDUSTRIES, WHAT ARE THE SUPPORTING REGULATIONS THAT MAKE IT EASIER FOR OUR FAMILY FARMS AND DAIRIES TO HANG ON, EVEN WITHOUT THE PASSING OF PROP 19, EVEN WITHOUT THE, THE REGIONAL BALLOT MEASURE THAT I KNOW IS COMING UP, THEY WERE ALREADY STRUGGLING TO BEGIN WITH. 
          SO WHAT, WHAT CAN WE DO REALISTICALLY, OR I GUESS SHOULD WE NOT DO REALISTICALLY TO AVOID BEING THAT EXTRA KICK THAT MIGHT DRIVE SOMEONE OUT? AND, AND ALSO TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE LIKE A HEALTHY MARKET FOR THEIR LOCAL LO WHAT THEY PRODUCE LOCALLY TO MAKE SURE THAT OKAY, THEY'RE NOT MAKING ALL THIS. 
          AND THEN WE'VE GOT PEOPLE IMPORTING THE STUFF FROM ELSEWHERE. 
          UM, OFFICE BUILDINGS. 
          I PLEASE NO MORE OFFICE BUILDINGS. 
          UH, WE SHOULD BE LOOKING, WE SHOULD BE AGGRESSIVE ABOUT MIXED USE. 
          WE SHOULD BE AGGRESSIVE ABOUT REALLY BUILDING IN, LIKE, WE TALK ABOUT 15 MINUTE NEIGHBORHOODS, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING THEM IN AFTER THE FACT WITH NEW BUILDINGS AND NEW STANDARDS. 
          WE SHOULD ALWAYS BE THINKING ABOUT HOW PEOPLE CAN LIVE NEAR WHERE THEY WORK. 
          I ALSO HIGHLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE OVERLAP, UH, FOR THE SPECIFIC PLAN. 
          SO IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T SUPPORT HAVING SPECIFIC PLAN FOR THE DOWNTOWN. 
          I, I THINK WE'RE THINKING TOO SMALL AND I THINK, I DON'T WANNA APPLY OUR RESOURCES TO ONE THING WHEN WE'RE, WE SHOULD ACTUALLY BE THINKING ABOUT THE WHOLE CITY. 
          LIKE OUR, OUR GENERAL, OUR, SORRY, GENERAL PLAN. 
          OUR DOWNTOWN IS OUR JEWEL, RIGHT? IS THE THING THAT NO MATTER WHAT YOU'RE FIGHTING ABOUT IN PETALUMA, EVERYONE LOVES, NO MATTER HOW LONG YOU'VE LIVED HERE, NO , NO MATTER WHAT YOUR FAMILY IS, EVERYONE LOVES THE DOWNTOWN, RIGHT? WELL, 
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IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT WHAT'S CONFINED WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN. 
          IT'S ABOUT HOW YOU ACCESS THE DOWNTOWN. 
          IT'S ABOUT THE CITY THAT SURROUNDS IT AND HOW IT IMPACTS IT. 
          WE TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC FLOW, WE TALK ABOUT ALL THESE OTHER ISSUES THAT DRIVE US NUTS IN THE CITY. 
          PART OF THAT IS HOW ARE PEOPLE GETTING TO THESE SPACES? HOW ARE PEOPLE INTERACTING WITH THEM? WE HAVE COME THROUGH A LOT OF THINGS IN THE LAST YEAR THAT HAVE TOLD US WE DON'T HAVE DESIGN STANDARDS AND WE NEED THEM CITYWIDE. 
          SO WHILE I, IN A NORMAL WORLD WHERE WE HAVE DESIGN STANDARDS, I'D BE LIKE, YES, SPECIFIC PLAN FOR THE DOWNTOWN. 
          WE DON'T HAVE DESIGN STANDARDS, THOUGH. 
          I'D, I'D REALLY LOVE TO SEE US PRIORITIZE WHAT IS REQUIRED TO FOLLOW THE GENERAL PLAN AND IZO PROCESS WITH COMMUNITY DRIVEN. 
          AND THAT'S GONNA BE HEAVY, BUT COMMUNITY DRIVEN DESIGN STANDARDS THAT ARE FLEXIBLE ENOUGH TO LOOK AT WAS THE DOWNTOWN NEED VERSUS THE EAST SIDE VERSUS THIS NEIGHBORHOOD OR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UH, AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, WE TALK ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN AND THEN NOTHING ELSE. 
          AND I LOVE THE DOWNTOWN. 
          I CANNOT STRESS ENOUGH HOW IMPORTANT THE DOWNTOWN IS THE CITY OF PETALUMA. 
          BUT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MIXED USE IN NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE FLEXIBLE ZONING, THAT MEANS CORNER STORES, THAT MEANS COFFEE SHOPS. 
          THAT MEANS, YOU KNOW, OFFICE, NOT OFFICE, BUT BLUE COLLAR BUSINESSES MIXED IN WITH HOUSING THAT THERE'S A VARIETY OF NEEDS. 
          SO THERE'S A VARIETY OF ECONOMIC ACTIVITY THAT WE SHOULD BE TRYING TO FOCUS NOW ON HOW WE DEPLOY THAT INTO AREAS THAT HAVE HISTORICALLY BEEN MORE RESIDENTIAL. 
          AND THEN ON THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT, UH, YES, WE HAVE, WE HAVE SHOPPING CENTERS. 
          THE GOAL IS TO MAKE THEM REALLY ACTIVATE THEM WITH HOUSING AND MAKE THEM INTERACTIVE. 
          BUT IT, IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT THAT'S GONNA TAKE A LONG TIME. 
          AND WE'VE LEFT, AND I'LL CALL IT OUT THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN WITH THESE SHOPPING CENTERS THAT ARE HALF FILLED OR TWO THIRDS FILLED. 
          I DON'T WANNA BE TOO CRUEL, BUT WE'VE LEFT THEM WITH THESE GAPING AREAS AND NO COMMUNITY. 
          AND WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT WHAT THE SHORT TERM AND INTERMEDIATE STEPS ARE FOR THAT. 
          SO IT'S NOT JUST LOOK AT OUR NICE DOWNTOWN ON THE WEST SIDE AND THAT'S IT. 
          RIGHT? WE HAVE ARGUABLY A MUCH LARGER POPULATION ON THE EAST SIDE THAT'S NOT SERVICED THE SAME WAY. 
          SO IF I WANT US TO PRIORITIZE OUR DOWNTOWN, I WANT US TO SEE DESIGN STANDARDS THERE. 
          BUT I ALSO WANNA SEE THAT HAPPEN ACROSS THE CITY. 
          I SUSPECT THE RESOURCES INVOLVED, IF WE JUST PRIORITIZE THE DOWNTOWN, WE WON'T GET TO THE REST OF THE CITY. 
          UH, AND, UH, TO THE COUNCIL MEMBER'S POINT, WE ARE A CITY OF PLANS. 
          BEAUTIFUL DETAILED PLANS THAT HAVE LED TO SOME THINGS MAY SOMETIMES. 
          SO HAVING REAL DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT BODIES LIKE THIS ONE CAN USE AND ACTIVELY GO, NOPE, IT'S FOR THIS AT THIS TIME. 
          THAT IS PRACTICAL SUCCESS THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY BANK ON. 
          UM, TERMS OF ZONING AND LAND FLEXIBILITY. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          UH, SB NINE DESTROYED SINGLE FAMILY, UH, ZONING AS A CONCEPT. 
          SO, AND MOST CITIES HAVE BEEN GRAPPLING WITH THIS. 
          SOME CITIES HAVE AVOIDED CHANGING ZONING AND THEY'VE LOST THEIR ABILITY TO MAKE PLANNING DECISIONS BECAUSE OF COURT ORDER. 
          SO LOOKING FOR WAYS AS A COMMUNITY THROUGH THE GENERAL PLAN PROCESS TO REALLY WEAVE IN ECONOMIC ACTIVITIES, REAL MIXED USE, YOU KNOW, STOREFRONT HOUSING ON TOP, THAT SORT OF THING THROUGHOUT THE CITY, THAT THAT'S IDEAL. 
          AND ALSO MORE FLEXIBILITY ALLOW FOR DUPLEXES, QUADPLEXES, DARE I SAY, A SIXPLEX SOMEWHERE. 
          I DON'T WANNA SCARE ANYONE. 
          BUT, UM, THAT'S ALL I HAD TO SAY FOR THAT. 
          UH, AND THEN FOR, I BELIEVE THE NEXT BIT WAS UTILITIES THAT YOU HAD FOR INFRASTRUCTURE UTILITIES. 
          I PRETTY MUCH AGREED WITH MOST OF WHAT YOU PRESENTED, AND IT OVERLAPPED WITH A LOT OF CONCERNS I HAD. 
          I WILL SAY THOUGH, CENTRALIZED VERSUS DECENTRALIZED WATER TREATMENT, THAT WAS THE THING I WANTED TO HIT ON. 
          PLEASE KEEP IT CENTRALIZED. 
          UH, THE STANDARDS FOR DECENTRALIZED ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE. 
          IT'S HARD TO MAINTAIN. 
          AND YOU'RE TALK, AND AS YOU POINTED OUT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MULTIPLE WATER STREAMS WITH DIFFERENT NEEDS. 
          UH, AND GIVEN THE SIZE OF THE CITY OF PETALUMA, I WOULD AT LEAST SPECULATE THAT IT'D BE HARDER TO MAINTAIN A DECENTRALIZED SYSTEM THAN A CENTRALIZED ONE. 
          ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO STATE AND FEDERAL GRANTS. 
          SO I, I WOULD CERTAINLY ADVOCATE FOR, FOR A CENTRALIZED WATER TREATMENT, BUT DECENTRALIZED POWER, HOWEVER, WONDERFUL MICROGRIDS, BATTERY STORAGE. 
          THAT'S THE SORT OF THING WHERE POWER GOES OUT. 
          YOU WANT THAT INVESTMENT. 
          SO PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY PEOPLE WHO NEED, UH, POWERED ASSISTANCE TO STAY ALIVE, AREN'T LEFT OUT IN THE LURCH. 
          UM, AND THEN I KNOW, I KNOW YOU DIDN'T REALLY GET TO, UH, WEREN'T ABLE TO REALLY GET TO BROADBAND JUST BECAUSE OF TIMING. 
          ONE THING I DID WANNA THROW OUT FROM BEFORE THAT I FORGOT TO MENTION, UH, IT WOULD, I TOTALLY GET WHAT YOU, YOUR COMMENTS ON HOW EXPENSIVE IT IS TO SET UP YOUR OWN PROVIDER. 
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THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT MODELS. 
          ALL OF THEM HAVE THEIR DOWNSIDES. 
          SO I'M, I'M NOT HERE TO PREACH ONE OR THE OTHER. 
          WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY THOUGH IS WE DO HAVE A, A LOCAL PROVIDER, AND ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO HAVING BACKUP, I MEAN, THIS IS ANECDOTAL, BUT I'VE NEVER BEEN THROUGH A POWER OUTAGE WHERE I DIDN'T IMMEDIATELY LOSE MOST OF MY COMMUNICATION SERVICES IN A GO. 
          SO HAVING THE CITY LOOK AT WHO IS THE PROVIDER FOR OUR BACKUPS WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA. 
          JUST IN TERMS OF HOW WE UPGRADE THAT INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          AND HAVING SOMEONE WHO'S LOCAL, WHO ACTUALLY HAS TO RETURN YOUR CALL IN A REASONABLE PERIOD OF TIME WOULD BE GREAT. 
          UM, AND THEN OUTSIDE OF THAT, I'M JUST TRYING TO CHECK, I, I REALLY HAVE NO COMMENTS AND NOISE. 
          'CAUSE I, I LARGELY AGREED WITH COMMISSIONER MOSES' POINTS JUST ABOUT BEING CAREFUL ABOUT HOW WE USE NOISE REGULATION AND OH, UM, WELL ACTUALLY MOSES, THIS HAS BEEN COVERED. 
          THE ONE THING I WAS GOING TO SAY, YOU, YOU HAD MENTIONED EARLIER THE, UH, IDEA THAT ALEX LEE HAS UP IN THE LEGISLATURE, THE IDEA OF SOCIAL HOUSING. 
          I JUST WANNA FLAG, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA TO FIND OUT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF A CITY ATTORNEY HAS THE TIME TO DO THIS, BUT IT WOULD BE GREAT TO FIND OUT WHAT, 'CAUSE WHEN IT COMES TO THINGS LIKE RENT CONTROL, LIKE THAT'S WHAT ESTABLISHED WHAT A CITY CAN AND CAN'T DO. 
          BUT WHAT CAN A CITY LIKE OURS DO WHEN IT COMES TO THE LIMITATION OF WHO OWNS PROPERTY, ESPECIALLY FOR LLCS AND OTHER MASS PRIVATE FIRMS, WHEN IT COMES TO SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING? THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING, EXCUSE ME, THAT I CAN LOOK INTO. 
          UH, YEAH, COMMISSIONER RECUSING, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. 
          IT'S, UH, UH, CONGRESSMAN LEE, I WANNA SAY ASSEMBLY MEMBER LIST. 
          ASSEMBLY MEMBER, UH, LEE AB TWO 50 OR 2 5 8 4. 
          AND IT IS, ENTITIES CAN'T OWN MORE THAN A THOUSAND SINGLE FAMILIES. 
          AND I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF HOW A CITY COULD ADDRESS THAT. 
          WE DO HAVE SOME REQUIREMENTS FOR A RENT CONTROL ORDINANCE WHERE WE HAVE THIS MOM AND POP, I'M SURE INGRID YOU REMEMBER THAT? WHERE MOM AND POP, WE CALL THEM THAT, I THINK SINGLE FAMILY HOMES LESS THAN THREE, THEY ARE EXEMPT FROM OUR ORDINANCE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO WE CAN DO STUFF LIKE THAT REGARDING RENT CONTROL, BUT, UH, TRYING TO BAN WHO OWNS A HOME, I DON'T KNOW OF ANY OTHER CITY THAT'S DONE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT I WOULD THINK WE WOULD JUST NEED TO HAVE A RATIONAL BASIS FOR DOING IT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, BUT IT'S SOMETHING WE, I CAN LOOK INTO. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S JUST WHERE WE ARE, A TOWN WITH A WONDERFUL HISTORY OF LOCAL OWNERSHIP WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT, REGARDLESS OF THE NUMBER OF FAMILIES AND PEOPLE WHO'VE OWNED HOUSING, WE'VE AT LEAST KIND OF OWNED OUR OWN COMMUNITY. 
          IT'D BE NICE TO LOOK AT WHAT LAWS ARE AT LEAST AN OPTION TO AVOID SOME NAMELESS ENTITY FROM JUST BUYING UP STOCK. 
          THAT'S ALL. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAD REALLY WITH COMMENTS. 
          THIS REALLY GREAT WORK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY ON THE AD HOC. 
          I JUST, YEAH, I'D JUST LIKE TO MAKE ONE CLARIFYING QUESTION, UH, WITH, REGARDING THE OFFICE BUILDINGS. 
          UM, I DON'T LIKE OFFICE BUILDINGS EITHER. 
          I JUST, I LIKE OFFICES, I GUESS. 
          SO NOT OFFICE BUILDINGS. 
          SO  YEAH, I, I AGREE THAT I'D LIKE FOR THEM TO BE WITH OTHER THINGS LIKE PEOPLE LIVING AND EATING AND DANCING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO YEAH. 
          . 
          WELL, AND, AND JUST TO SUMMARIZE THEN, I MEAN, FROM WHAT I'M HEARING HERE, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU GUYS DIVING INTO OUR FRAMEWORK IN THE BEST WE COULD TO KIND OF ISOLATE THE PARTS OF THIS AND MAKE SENSE OF IT. 
          SO AFFIRMATIVE CITY LEADERSHIP, DON'T BE PRESCRIPTIVE ABOUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, BUT YES, EXPLORE WAYS TO BUILD OUT THAT CAPACITY. 
          THAT'S WHAT I LIKE ABOUT THESE FRAMEWORKS. 
          WE CAN BE VERY BROAD AND DECIDE IF THAT'S SOMETHING, BUT EXPLORING THAT CAPACITY INDUSTRY SPECIFICITY WITHOUT BEING EXCLUSIVE, CALL OUT THOSE INDUSTRIES THAT FIT OUR CURRENT, YOU KNOW, ECONOMIC INFRASTRUCTURE IS GREAT AG. 
          I THINK I'M, I'M NOT HEARING IF IT'S AN EXACT GOAL, BUT THERE SHOULD BE A FOCUS IN HERE ON, BUT ON WHAT THE CITY CAN DO, NOT WHAT HAPPENS OUTSIDE THE CITY OFFICE. 
          BUILDINGS, MORE PREFERENCE FOR MIXED USE. 
          WE HAD SOME IDEAS TO ADAPT IT. 
          UH, AND THEN THE BIG ONE FOR ME WAS HEARING THE SPECIFIC PLAN. 
          AND, AND THIS IS KIND OF OUTLINED IN THERE, IT'S MORE LIKE DESIGN GUIDELINES, STREET GUIDELINES, IDENTIFYING HISTORIC RESOURCES, AND WITHOUT BEING CRASS, WAYS TO LIKE, MAKE THAT MORE PROFITABLE FOR THE CITY, RIGHT. 
          TO EMPHASIZE AND PROTECT THOSE GET RESTORATION FUNDS. 
          SO MAYBE WE DON'T SAY SPECIFIC PLAN AT JANICE'S POINT. 
          SHE'S LIKE, I DON'T WANNA PUT THAT IN A GENERAL PLAN , BUT JUST THAT WE'LL EXPLORE SOME OF THOSE DIFFERENT TOOLS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THAT TOOLKIT. 
          SO, UM, ANYWAY, THOSE ARE, FOR ME, THOSE WERE KIND OF THE BIG ONES THAT I WANTED TO HIT ON. 
          SO THANK YOU GUYS. 
          AND I'D JUST LIKE TO SECOND, UH, CHAIR HOOPER'S, UH, SHOWING SOME LOVE TO THE EAST SIDE. 
          I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PIECE AS WELL. 
          AND I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE THERE WAS, THERE'S, IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYTHING'S FOCUSED ON THE DOWNTOWN, 
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BUT EVERYBODY ON THE WEST SIDE HAS TO GO TO THE EAST SIDE FOR GROCERY SHOPPING OR SOMETHING. 
          SO IT'S ALL INTERCONNECTED. 
          BUT I JUST WANT TO, UM, GO BACK ON NOISE. 
          UM, NOISE FOR ME IS MOSTLY, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE VEHICLE NOISE. 
          THAT'S WHAT I HEAR THE MOST FROM CONSTITUENTS, THAT THEY ARE SICK AND TIRED OF THESE LITTLE MUSCLE CARS. 
          AND I MEAN, IT'S GOING IN ALL NEIGHBORHOODS EAST AND WEST SIDE. 
          SO I HEAR IT, YOU KNOW, FROM ACROSS THE BOARD. 
          BUT AS FAR AS LIKE MUSIC, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU, YOU DON'T WANNA JUST, UM, STOP, YOU KNOW, OR BE SO RESTRICTIVE BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE FRONT OF ALSO BEING PART OF A COMMUNITY. 
          UM, AND THERE WAS ONE OTHER THING. 
          UM, WELL, THAT'S IT. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND WITH THAT, I BELIEVE WE'RE AT PUBLIC COMMENT, AND I, I THANK EVERYBODY WHO'S HERE, I'M GUESS I'M ASSUMING WAITING FOR THIS ITEM, UH, FOR YOUR PATIENCE. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          GREAT. 
          UM, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO COMMENT ON THIS ITEM. 
          PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON. 
          IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE SO ALREADY, PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD AND BRING IT TO THE CLERK, OUR FIRST CARD. 
          AND SO FAR OUR ONLY CARD IS FROM DWAYNE. 
          COME ON UP. 
          UM, HI. 
          IT'S DWAYNE BELLINGER HERE. 
          UM, THE TOPIC I WOULD, WOULD, UH, DISCUSS IS, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, FIVE POINT, UH, ONE TALKS ABOUT THE NEW SMART STATION. 
          AS YOU COULD TELL, I'M AN ENTHUSIAST FOR THE NEW SMART STATION AND BUILDING A PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED COMMUNITY. 
          AND, UH, 5.3 GOES TO THE INDUSTRIAL, UH, SITES AND MENTIONS 1 0 1. 
          WELL, WHAT'S MISSING HERE IS A DISCUSSION OF PRESERVING LAND FOR RAIL. 
          NOW. 
          UM, OUR LUMBER, OUR GRAVEL, OUR GRAIN SHOULD BE BROUGHT IN BY RAIL. 
          AND ONE OF THESE DAYS, THE, UH, WORLD IS GONNA REALIZE, PEOPLE ARE GONNA REALIZE THAT OUR, UM, SUBSIDIES FOR, UH, GASOLINE USE, UH, USES IS WHAT'S DESTROYED OUR WORLD. 
          AND, AND CAUSING THE TEMPERATURE, INCREASES OUR SUBSIDIES TO, TO OIL. 
          AND THERE'S NO REASON WHY WE WOULDN'T PUT PRESERVING RAIL AT THE TOP. 
          I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE FIRST PLACE WE SHOULD LOOK IS WHERE LAGUNITAS HAS BEEN BRINGING IN THEIR GRAIN AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S MAINTAINED AND IT'S, UH, VIABLE. 
          AND, UM, ONLY THAT THEY, THEY, I UNDERSTAND THEY SELL THE GRAIN AFTER IT'S BEEN, UH, USED TO MAKE BEER AND IT'S SOLD FOR ANIMAL FEED. 
          AND IF THAT'S CAN BE TRANSPORTED LOCALLY, THAT'S GREAT. 
          IF IT CAN BE SHIPPED OUT OF TOWN BY RAIL, THAT'S ALSO GREAT. 
          I WOULD COMMENT A COUPLE OF YOUR COMMENT ON NOISE THAT I HEARD AN EXPERT SAY THAT THE SOUND BARRIERS, THE BIG SOUND BARRIERS ARE MARGINALLY EFFECTIVE. 
          WHAT'S NEEDED IS THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DELIBERATELY CREATING NOISE. 
          WE CAN MAKE TIRES THAT ARE EITHER QUIET OR NOISY. 
          PEOPLE BUY NOISY CAR TIRES TO GO ON THEIR NOISY TRUCKS. 
          WE CAN OUTLAW THAT AS A SOCIETY. 
          WE CAN OUTLAW THE MUFFLER THAT DELIBERATELY MAKE NOISE. 
          AS TO AGRICULTURE AND WATER, I WOULD SAY TO ROGER THAT THE BEST PLACE WE CAN SUPPORT FARMERS WOULD BE TO PAY THEM TO STORE WATER, STORM WATER, PAY THEM, PUT A SMALL SWALE IN AND PAY THEM WHEN A STORM COMES IN JANUARY AND FEBRUARY. 
          BUT THEY KEEP THE WATER ON THEIR LAND FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS. 
          AND THIS IS FARMLAND. 
          THEY'RE GONNA BE FARMING IN JAN, IN, IN MARCH AND APRIL AND MAY, BUT IN DECEMBER FOR THEM TO KEEP A FEW, UH, A THOUSAND GALLONS OF WATER THERE THAT'S COMING DOWN THE STREAM, THAT'S WHERE WE BOTH WIN. 
          WE CAN PAY THEM TO HAVE INCOME AND THEY CAN KEEP THE WATER FROM FLOWING THROUGH OUR TOWN. 
          AND ONE LAST POINT, IF I MAY. 
          UM, OUR ANCESTORS KNEW HOW TO PREVENT CORPORATIONS FROM OWNING EVERYTHING AND HOW TO PREVENT CORPORATIONS FROM BUYING OF ALL THE HOUSES. 
          THEY KNEW IT, IT WAS RIGHT ON THE BOOKS WHEN THE THIEVES PASSED. 
          PROP 13, IT WAS CALLED THE $5,000 EXEMPTION. 
          HOUSING COSTS $10,000 IN 1910. 
          A BEAUTIFUL HOUSE. 
          BEAUTIFUL HOUSE FOR 10,000, 5,000. 
          I'M SORRY, YOUR TIME'S UP, SIR. 
          YOUR, YOUR TIME'S UP IF I MAY, IF I MAY. 
          $5,000. 
          AND IT SAYS SO SIR, SIR, WE, ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS INCREASE THAT. 
          SIR, SIR, WE, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. 
          WE DON'T HAVE AUTHORITY OVER PROP 13 OR THE DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE. 
          THAT'S THE SOLUTION TO OUR LAWYERS HERE. 
          BUT THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, SIR. 
          REALLY APPRECIATE THE TIME THAT YOU'VE TAKEN. 
          AND WITH THIS, I BELIEVE WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE WE CAN CLOSE OUT THIS ITEM. 
          I THINK ALL QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE TO COMMISSIONER SATISFACTION. 
          IS THERE ANYTHING 
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ELSE THAT STAFF NEEDED? I JUST WANTED TO THANK STAFF FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. 
          WE HAVE A NUMBER OF STAFF MEMBERS ON, ON THE ZOOM. 
          WE HAVE A NUMBER OF STAFF MEMBERS HERE, AND I APPRECIATE THE, THE SUPPORT. 
          UM, THIS IS A HUGE EFFORT IN OUR CITY. 
          AND, UM, SO TO HAVE BOTH OUR CONSULTANTS AND OUR STAFF HERE, EVEN IF THEY DIDN'T STAND UP AND ANSWER A SPECIFIC QUESTION, THANK YOU. 
          AND I'VE REALIZED HOW, HOW MANY ONLINE COMMENTS DID WE GET PRIOR TO THE MEETING? I REALIZE I FORGOT THAT IT'S STILL TWO, BUT I JUST WANTED TO INFORM THOSE WHO JOINED US LATE THAT WE DID RECEIVE TO, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS PRIOR TO THIS MEETING FOR THIS MEETING ITEM. 
          AND THEY'RE AVAILABLE ONLINE FOR VIEWING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, WELL, WITH THIS, WE'RE MOVING ON TO OUR SECOND ITEM FOR THE NIGHT, OR IN THIS CASE MEETING ITEM THREE, ADMINISTRATIVE ACTION RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY OF PETALUMA PLANNING COMMISSION TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION AMENDING SECTION 3.303 OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION RULES AND REGULATIONS TO ALLOW CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR OFFICERS OF THE COMMISSION TO SERVE A MAXIMUM OF TWO CONSECUTIVE TERMS INTRODUCED FOR CONSIDERATION ON APRIL 9TH, 2024. 
          AMENDING THE RULES AND REGULATIONS IS NOT A PROJECT PURSUANT TO CQA AS IS THE ACTION PURSUANT TO ADMINISTRATIVE TO AS THE ACTION IS CONSIDERED ADMINISTRATIVE. 
          THIS MEETING ITEM WAS PUBLISHED ON WEDNESDAY, MAY 22ND, 2024. 
          THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND DOES REQUIRE COMMISSIONERS TO DISCLOSE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS. 
          DOES EX PARTE BLANK. 
          AND I MET IN THE EARLY DAYS ABOUT THIS AT THE PETALUMA RIVER CAFE BEFORE IT WAS A THING. 
          YEAH, THAT'S ABOUT, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WITH THAT, WE NOW OPEN OUR PUBLIC HEARING. 
          I'M GONNA INVITE OUR SPECIAL PROJECTS MANAGER, HEATHER HEINZ. 
          JUST GIMME A MOMENT TO, I'M HAVING A PROBLEM. 
          MY BUTTON ISN'T WORKING TO JOIN THE WEBINAR, SO JUST GIMME A MOMENT. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          I THINK I GOT IT. 
          CAN I TURN MY VIDEO OFF BEFORE I GO ON? SHOULD BE ABLE TO. 
          I'LL JUST HAVE TO DO IT. 
          MAYBE THAT, OH, GOOD. 
          THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIR HOOPER. 
          UM, SO I AM COVERING THE ITEM TONIGHT. 
          UM, A RESOLUTION TO AMEND A SECTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION RULES AND REGULATIONS. 
          UM, AS A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, UM, THE DUTY OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, IS TO STUDY THE NEEDS OF THE CITY WITH RESPECT TO, AND ADVISING AND RECOMMENDING THIS COUNCIL TO THE COUNCIL CONCERNING THE ESTABLISHMENT MODIFICATION AND CHANGE OF ZONES OR DISTRICTS AND DESIGNATION OF THE USES TO WHICH PROPERTY CONTAINED THERE AND MAY BE PROHIBITED. 
          SO BASICALLY, YOU ARE THE ADVISORS ON, UH, LAND USE PLANNING, UH, UH, ZONING, UM, TO HELP INFORM THE, THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          UM, SO WE ARE CURRENTLY, AS YOU KNOW, AND AS WE JUST SPENT THE LAST, UH, YOU KNOW, FOUR HOURS DISCUSSING, WE ARE CURRENTLY UNDERTAKING A, A COMPREHENSIVE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE, UM, THROUGH, AS WELL AS ON THE HEELS OF THAT WILL BE A COMPREHENSIVE ZONING CODE UPDATE. 
          SO THIS IS YOUR WHEELHOUSE. 
          THIS IS, THIS IS YOUR MOMENT, UM, FOR A PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          UM, SO TH THAT IS REALLY WHERE THIS ITEM CAME FROM, IS TO OFFER FLEXIBILITY AND SUPPORT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO BE ABLE TO DO, UM, TO SUPPORT THEIR TIMELY REVIEW AND REALLY OPTIMIZE, UH, YOUR, YOUR ROLE DURING THIS PROCESS. 
          UM, SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION THROUGH THE ENABLING LEGISLATION FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, ARE ABLE TO 
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ADOPT RULES AND REGULATION FOR HOW THEY TRANSACT BUSINESS. 
          AND THIS, UM, COMMISSION DOES HAVE ADOPTED RULES AND REGULATIONS, UM, IF YOU'VE BEEN ON LONG ENOUGH, MAYBE YOU'VE SEEN ONE TWEAK HERE OR THERE, BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT, UM, THAT WE CHANGE WITH A LOT OF FREQUENCY. 
          UM, SO YOU HAVE A COPY OF THESE RULES AND REGULATIONS, UM, AS PART OF YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION HANDBOOK THAT YOU GENERALLY GET WHEN YOU JOIN THE COMMISSION. 
          UM, AS PART OF THAT, IN SECTION THREE, THE RULES AND REGULATION LAYOUT THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION SHALL SELF SELF ELECT, UM, A CHAIR, A VICE CHAIR, AND A SECOND VICE CHAIR TO, UM, UNDERTAKE THE RUNNING OF THE MEETINGS. 
          UM, AND THOSE ARE MADE EACH YEAR, UM, FOR AN ANNUAL APPOINTMENT OR ELECTION. 
          AND THERE IS A PROVISION IN SECTION 3.303 THAT SPECIFICALLY SAYS THE CHAIR SHALL NOT BE APPOINTED TO A CONSECUTIVE TERM LIMITING, UH, THE CHAIR TO ONE TERM. 
          ALTHOUGH THE RULES AND REGS DON'T SPECIFY THAT FOR VICE CHAIR OR SECOND VICE CHAIR. 
          IT HAS GENERALLY BEEN THE PRACTICE THAT ALL THREE OF THOSE POSITIONS, UM, ARE AGENDAS FOR AN ELECTION. 
          UM, I BELIEVE IT'S IN JULY OF EACH YEAR. 
          UM, SO I, I DID, WE DID A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND JUST TO KIND OF SET A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT ON THIS TOO. 
          AS PART OF THE BACKGROUND, THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE AIRPORT COMMISSION ARE THE ONLY CCBS THAT HAVE A LIMIT ON THE TERM. 
          UM, NONE OF THE OTHER COMMITTEES OR COMMISSIONS, UM, THAT WE COULD DETERMINE HAVE ESTABLISHED A LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF TERMS OR THE TIME THAT, UM, A CHAIR CAN, CAN BE ELECTED FOR. 
          WE, ALTHOUGH ALSO TALKED TO A COUPLE OF OUR, UM, COLLEAGUES IN SURROUNDING JURISDICTIONS TO KIND OF GET A SENSE, HEY, DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE LIMITS? HOW DO, HOW DO YOU RUN THIS? UM, ONLY TOWN OF WINDSOR HAS AN ACTUAL ADOPTED LIMIT TO THE TERMS OF A CHAIR, AND THAT IS LIMITED TO TWO ONE YEAR TERMS. SO 24 MONTHS TOTAL. 
          UM, SANTA ROSA CATADI, SONOMA COUNTY, IT'S TYPICAL THAT THEY HAPPEN EACH YEAR, BUT THERE'S NOTHING, THERE'S NO ADOPTION, UM, THAT SAYS, UM, IT'S LIMITED IN SANTA ROSA. 
          THE CHAIR IS ACTUALLY APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR. 
          UM, AND, AND SO THAT, BUT THERE'S NOT A TERM TO SAY THAT THEY CAN'T BE REAPPOINTED BY THE MAYOR. 
          SO JUST WANTED TO KIND OF PROVIDE, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND IN, IN THOSE TERMS. I ALSO WANT REALLY WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THE AMENDMENT THAT IS BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOES NOT REQUIRE REELECTION OF THE CHAIR FOR A SECOND TERM. 
          IT PROVIDES THE FLEXIBILITY FOR THE COMMISSION TO DO THAT IF YOU SO DETERMINE THAT THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR YOUR REVIEW OF GENERAL PLAN AND ZONING CODE AS YOU'RE GOING THROUGH KIND OF THIS BIG LIFT. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO BE REALLY CLEAR, KIND OF LIKE WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE UGB LAST, LAST WEEK, IT WAS PROVIDING THAT FLEXIBILITY FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER, BUT IT WASN'T ACTUALLY DOING IT. 
          THIS IS THE SAME THING. 
          IT'S PROVIDING THAT FLEXIBILITY. 
          SO LOOKING FIRST AT OUR CURRENT APPROACH, AND I'VE KIND OF ALREADY TOUCHED ON THIS, OUR CURRENT APPROACH IS THAT, THAT THE REGULAR FIRST MEETING IN JULY, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION ELECTS THESE THREE POSITIONS. 
          IF FOR SOME REASON THERE'S NOT A FULL COMPLIMENT OF PLANNING COMMISSIONERS AT THAT FIRST MEETING IN JULY, OR THERE'S NOT A FIRST MEETING IN JULY, THAT HAS BEEN PUSHED TO THE NEXT MEETING WHEN THERE IS. 
          UM, AND, AND THE CHAIR, VICE CHAIR, SECOND VICE CHAIR WOULD CONTINUE TO SERVE UNTIL THAT, UM, NEW SELECTION IS MADE. 
          UM, AND AS THAT OTHER SECTION SPECIFIES, THE CHAIR SHALL NOT BE APPOINTED TO A CONSECUTIVE TERM. 
          AND WE HAVE APPLIED THAT TYPICALLY TO VICE CHAIR AND SECOND VICE CHAIR AS WELL, ALTHOUGH IT IS NOT EXPLICIT IN THE RULES AND REGULATIONS. 
          SO THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT, UM, THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED, I BELIEVE BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS INTRODUCED TO PUT ON THE AGENDA, UM, AT A PREVIOUS MEETING, WOULD BE TO ALLOW THE CHAIR TO SERVE A MAXIMUM OF TWO CONSECUTIVE ONE YEAR OFFICE TERMS. UM, AND WE WOULD APPLY THAT ALSO TO THE VICE CHAIR. 
          UM, THERE IS A SUNSET PROVISION PROVIDED 
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IN, IN THE RESOLUTION THAT IS BEFORE YOU, THAT WOULD REALLY SUNSET THAT PROVISION, UM, ONCE THE GENERAL PLAN AND ZONING CODE ARE ADOPTED. 
          UM, AND AS WE'VE KIND OF TOUCHED ON, THIS IS REALLY AN EFFORT TO ALLOW KIND OF THAT CONSISTENT, UM, REVIEW AND RUNNING OF THE MEETINGS AND, AND THAT, AND MINIMIZE THE IMPACTS THAT THAT CAN HAVE ON THE COMMISSION DOING, UM, THE WORK THAT IS SET OUT TO CHANGE THAT LEADERSHIP ROLE, UM, MIDSTREAM. 
          UH, SO THE ACTION BY THE COMMISSION THAT IS, UM, BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, IT IS GOVERNED BY ANOTHER SECTIONS IN THE RULES AND REGULATION, UM, THAT SAYS AN AMENDMENT TO THE RULES AND REGULATIONS, UH, CAN BE MADE AT ANY MEETING AFFIRMATIVE VOTE OF FOUR MEMBERS. 
          AND THAT IT NEEDS TO BE PROPOSED BY THE COMMISSION AT A MEETING PROCEEDING WHEN THE VOTE HAPPENS. 
          SO THAT HAPPENED ON, UM, APRIL 23RD BY THE COMMISSION, UM, AND IS NOW BEFORE YOU FOR, UM, A DECISION TONIGHT. 
          SO RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION THAT IS BEFORE YOU, WHICH WOULD CHANGE THE RULES AND REGULATIONS TO ALLOW THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR, UM, OFFICERS OF THE COMMISSION TO SERVE A MAXIMUM OF TWO CONSECUTIVE ONE YEAR TERMS. UM, THIS WOULD APPLY, UM, WHILE WE ARE UNDERTAKING THE CITYWIDE POLICY AND LEGISLATIVE UPDATE AND WITHIN SUNSET. 
          UM, SO THAT IS THE RECOMMENDATION BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY ALTERNATIVES ARE TO DENY A RESOLUTION OR TO DECLINE TO TAKE ACTION. 
          UM, GIVEN THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE, UM, COMMISSION TALKED ABOUT IZING. 
          SO WITH THAT, THAT, UM, CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. 
          IF THERE'S ANY, UM, SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT STAFF CAN ASSIST WITH, WE'RE HERE. 
          GREAT. 
          UH, JESSICA FIRST AGAIN, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE WE CURRENTLY HAVE ONLY SPECIFIED TERMS FOR THE CHAIR, BUT THAT SORT OF BY, UH, YOU KNOW, POLICY INFORMALLY ARE ALWAYS ALSO CYCLING THE VICE CHAIR AND SECOND VICE CHAIR. 
          AND THIS IS FORMALIZING FOR A CHAIR AND A VICE CHAIR, BUT DOESN'T ADDRESS THE SECOND VICE CHAIR. 
          IS THERE A REASON FOR THAT? UH, I THINK PROBABLY BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S PRETTY IRREGULAR THAT YOU GO TO SECOND VICE CHAIR THAT TO RUN THE MEETING. 
          SO IT, IT, IT DIDN'T SEEM AS, UM, IMPORTANT TO MAINTAIN THAT, YOU KNOW, CONTINUITY. 
          BUT, UM, IF, IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THE COMMISSION WANTED TO ADD, IT COULD BE ADDED. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN ON THE SUNSET CLAUSE, CAN YOU SPEAK TO JUST SORT OF PRACTICALLY HOW THAT WORKS FROM A, LIKE WOULD WE THEN HAVE TO COME BACK OR IT JUST SORT OF NATURALLY SUNSETS, WOULD WE THEN BE POTENTIALLY DOING AN ELECTION MID CYCLE OR WE WOULD STILL GO TO JULY, SORT OF JUST LIKE, HOW DOES THE SUNSET AFFECT IT? SO I DON'T THINK THERE WOULD BE ANY ADDITIONAL ACTION NEEDED BECAUSE IT WOULD JUST SUNSET WITH THE ADOPTION. 
          UM, SO THAT KIND OF TAKES THE NEED FOR US TO COME BACK AND DO THIS AGAIN. 
          UM, I WOULD ASSUME THAT, UM, ONCE, ONCE THAT WAS OVER THE UM, POSITIONS WOULD FINISH THEIR ONE YEAR TERM. 
          THAT SECOND ONE YEAR TERM, IT WOULDN'T BE LIKE THEY DON'T GET FEBRUARY YEAR OUT. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, YOU WOULD FINISH THE, THAT SECOND TERM OKAY. 
          IF, IF IT HAD BEEN ELECTED FOR A SECOND TERM. 
          SURE, SURE. 
          TERM. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE AREN'T INTRODUCING YEAH. 
          A MORE COMPLIC COMPLICATED. 
          YEAH, ANOTHER ENDING. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU ROGER. 
          UM, WHICH PHYSICIANS ARE UP FOR, UM, TERMINATION OR RE OR RE UH, REAPPLICATION ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION? WHICH POSITIONS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION ARE UP FOR REAPPLICATION? YOU MEAN WHAT INDIVIDUALS? YES. 
          UM, HEIDI'S TERM IS OVER, UM, RICK'S TERM IS OVER AND BLAKE'S TERM IS OVER. 
          SO THEY WILL, THOSE THREE POSITIONS WILL BE, UM, OPEN OR RE RE REQUESTING REAPPOINTMENT. 
          SO YEAH. 
          AND MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, UH, BLAKE IS 
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RUNNING FOR COUNSEL, IS THAT CORRECT? I'M NOT, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT I, I'D RATHER NOT TALK ABOUT, ABOUT CAMPAIGN ACTIVITY DURING A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, IF THAT'S AT ALL POSSIBLE. 
          WELL, I GUESS IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT OF THE DECISION WE'RE MAKING. 
          WELL, SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE MAKING A DECISION WHETHER OR NOT YOU LIKE THIS RULE. 
          IT SHOULDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH ME. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THROUGH RUMOR OR WHATEVER. 
          AND I THINK YOU'VE MENTIONED THAT YOU ARE RUNNING FOR COUNCIL, AND THE QUESTION OF, UM, AT WHAT POINT DOES THIS LONG-TERM PLAN KIND OF ERODE? BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE WITHIN, UH, A FEW MONTHS WE'RE GONNA LOSE YOU RUNNING FOR COUNCIL ANYWAY. 
          SO REAPPLYING AND REAPPOINTED YOU FOR A FEW MONTHS, AND I'M SURE YOU'LL BE ELECTED TO COUNCIL, AND I'M CONFIDENT THAT WILL WORK. 
          UM, IT, IT JUST, IT, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE RATIONALE. 
          I'M NOT ASKING YOU, I'M JUST SO THEORETICALLY, UH, WE'RE WHOMEVER WERE TO BE, UM, ELECTED AS CHAIR IN JULY WHEN THE, WHEN THE VOTE COMES UP, RIGHT? WHICH IS TYPICALLY VICE CHAIR, BUT IT DOESN'T, THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS IT HAS TO BE. 
          SO WHOMEVER WERE TO BE, UH, ELECTED IT, YOU MIGHT, THAT PERSON MIGHT SERVE TWO YEARS WHILE WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS. 
          SO, UM, IT'S JUST TO PROVIDE THE PLANNING COMMISSION WITH SOME CONTINUITY GIVEN THE SIGNIFICANT POLICY AND LEGISLATIVE LIFT THAT IS GOING ON RIGHT NOW. 
          IT IS NOT ABOUT A SPECIFIC PERSON, IT'S ABOUT THE POSITIONS IN THAT CONTINUITY GIVE, I GUESS I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT CHANGING THE RULES AFTER THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ALL BEEN APPOINTED, ACCEPTED THEIR RESPONSIBILITY AND COMMITMENTS, UM, CHANGING, CHANGING THE RULES SEVERAL YEARS INTO THAT, JUST SEEMS LIKE, IS THAT THE RIGHT THING TO DO? UM, UH, IT, IT, IT'S, UM, IT, IT JUST, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S CONTRARY TO WHAT AGREEMENTS WE MADE AND WHAT COMMITMENTS WE MADE, AND WE WERE APPOINTED BY COUNCIL, NOT BY STAFF. 
          SO, UM, I, I JUST, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THIS IS A, A POLITICALLY VIABLE OPTION. 
          COMMISSIONER, IF I MAY, UM, I THINK WHAT HEATHER OUTLINED IN THE PRESENTATION IS SORT OF A MULTI-LAYER, UM, CONSIDERATION THAT, UM, IS BRINGING THIS BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING. 
          UM, AND SO NOT ONLY IS THERE, UM, SO THERE'S I THINK, SHORT ANSWERS, THERE'S SORT OF MULTIPLE FACTORS AT PLAY. 
          I THINK IF WE'RE FORTUNATE ENOUGH, UM, IN OUR, IN OUR PUBLIC SERVICE, WE GET TO GO THROUGH A, YOU KNOW, ONCE IN A GENERATION POLICY, UM, EFFORT, SUCH AS THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE, RIGHT? IF WE'RE LUCKY, WE GET TO DO ONE, MAYBE TWO OF THOSE, UM, IN OUR PROFESSIONAL CAREER. 
          UM, AND SO IT DOESN'T HAPPEN VERY OFTEN. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHERE THE SUNSET CLAUSE WAS, IS BEING RECOMMENDED. 
          UM, AND NOT ONLY IS THIS JUST AN OPTION, RIGHT? ULTIMATELY IT BECOMES, UH, A DECISION AND A VOTE THAT THE ENTIRE COMMISSION WOULD HAVE TO MAKE COME JULY. 
          UM, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE COMMISSION MAKEUP LOOKS LIKE, THIS JULY, NEXT JULY, ALL THIS IS DOING IS PROVIDING YOU AND THE REST OF THE COMMISSION AN OPTION TO, UM, EXPLORE IF IT MAKES SENSE GIVEN WHAT'S BEFORE US OVER THE NEXT TWO AND A HALF YEARS. 
          UM, AND WHAT THAT IS, I MEAN, THAT'S WHERE WE INTEND IS GENERAL PLAN GETS WRAPPED UP, UM, YOU KNOW, NEXT, AT THE END OF NEXT YEAR ZONING CODE TO FOLLOW SHORTLY THEREAFTER. 
          AND SO WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IS THIS, IS THIS OPTION PROVIDING A BENEFIT FOR THAT PROCESS? UM, AND ULTIMATELY THAT'S A DECISION THAT THE ENTIRE COMMISSION'S GONNA HAVE TO MAKE, BUT WE WILL STILL REPLACE TWO OF THE COMMISSIONERS. 
          SO WE ARE ACTIVELY GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS. 
          GREAT QUESTION. 
          UM, AND SO JUST LIKE 
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EACH AND EVERY ONE OF OUR COMMITTEE, COMMISSION AND BOARDS, THERE ARE VACANCIES. 
          THIS IS JUST A NATURAL PRODUCT OF, UM, VOLUNTEER SERVICE AND, AND SHOWING UP FOR OUR COMMUNITY. 
          UM, AND SO AS HEATHER MENTIONED, UM, WE CURRENTLY, UM, WE ANTICIPATED TWO, UM, THROUGH JUST RECENT, UM, NEWS. 
          UH, WE ARE LOOKING TO FILL, UH, POTENTIALLY THREE VACANCIES WITH COMMISSIONER, UM, WESSMAN'S RECENT NEWS. 
          UM, AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING ACROSS THE BOARD WITH ALL THE COMMISSIONS. 
          UM, IT'S NOT JUST OUR PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          I UNDERSTAND, BUT HOW DOES THAT, I MEAN, IF WE REPLACE IN ALL CASES WE'RE GONNA REPLACE TWO COMMISSIONERS, THAT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT EXTENDING THEIR DURATION OR WE'RE NOT KEEPING THE CONTINUITY, BUT WE'RE REPLACED WITH, WITH UNKNOWN. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, I THINK PART OF THAT'S WHAT'S FACTORING IN. 
          I WOULD, I, I DON'T WANNA PUT WORDS INTO THE, UM, COMMISSIONER'S MOUTHS, BUT I THINK PART OF THAT IS THE WHY THIS IS COMING BEFORE YOU IS, IS DOES THIS ADD SOME CONTINUITY THAT DOES THIS ADD SOME CONSISTENCY? AND I WOULD IMAGINE TOO, NOT EVERYONE SIGNS UP FOR THIS, UM, ROLE AT WANTING TO TAKE ON THAT ADDED PRESSURE AND THE ADDED RESPONSIBILITY AND THE TIME COMMITMENT THAT GOES INTO BEING CHAIR. 
          UM, IT'S NOT, I I THINK THAT'S SOME, THAT'S THE OTHER THING, JUST, YOU KNOW, TO BE MINDFUL OF IS THERE IS EXTRA TIME AS A FEW OF YOU, UM, CAN PROBABLY ATTEST TO. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO ASK A FEW CLARIFYING QUESTIONS. 
          I'M AVOID COMMENTS. 
          I'M GONNA STICK TO QUESTIONS FOR THIS SEGMENT. 
          UM, OUR CURRENT, SOME OF THIS IS JUST, I, I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN CURRENT PROCESS AND WHAT COMES OUT AT THE, SHOULD WE CHOOSE TO DO THIS. 
          SO IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, CURRENT PROCESS, AS I HAVE SEEN SO FAR AND EXPERIENCED SO FAR, COMMISSION DECIDES WHO THEY'RE NOMINATING, WHO THEY'RE VOTING FOR, NOT STAFF, NOT THE COUNCIL FOR OFFICERS FOR CHAIR, ALL THE WAY THROUGH SECOND VICE CHAIR. 
          THIS AMENDMENT WOULDN'T CHANGE THAT AT ALL, CORRECT? RIGHT. 
          CORRECT. 
          UM, AND THEN IN TERMS OF, IN TERMS OF, UM, IN TERMS OF THE CONTINUITY QUESTION, THE REASON FOR THE SUNSET WAS BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA THEORETICALLY HIT THE END OF THE GENERAL PLAN BY 2026, CORRECT? OR THE IZO, SORRY, THAT'S, UH, 2025. 
          UM, IZO SOMETIME IN 26. 
          26, YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THEORETICALLY SOMEONE NEW COULD BE ELECTED CHAIR THIS NEXT TERM AND THEN RUN THROUGH THE REST OF THE REMAINDER FOR THE SCHEDULING UPDATES. 
          ALL OF THAT SHOULD, SHOULD THEY KEEP VOTING THAT PERSON IN TWICE IN A ROW. 
          THAT'S THE KEY, CORRECT? YES. 
          AND ALSO, JUST ONE MORE POINT. 
          A PERSON WHO'S NOMINATED FOR ANY OF THESE ROLES DOES NOT HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT NOMINATION. 
          CORRECT? THEY CAN CORRECT. 
          WE'VE HAD THAT HAPPEN. 
          . 
          YES, I KNOW, I'VE SEEN IT. 
          I JUST WANTED TO, TO PUT THAT OUT THERE. 
          OH, OH. 
          AND FINALLY, JUST AS A, A NOTE FOR CLARIFICATION, WHILE YES, I WILL BE APPLYING FOR REAPPLYING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THERE IS NO GUARANTEE I WILL GET APPOINTED. 
          THE COUNCIL COULD APPOINT SOMEONE ELSE. 
          SO I WOULD NOT BE MAKING DECISIONS BASED ON WHETHER OR NOT I GET APPOINTED OR NOT. 
          AND LORD KNOWS IF ANY OF YOU, LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY, DO NOT MAKE A RULE IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM BECAUSE YOU MIGHT WANT ME TO BE CHAIR OR NOT. 
          I REALLY HAVE NO DESIRE REALLY TO BE CHAIR A SECOND TERM. 
          UH, THIS MADE SENSE TO ME ON THE BASIS OF WHOEVER COULD DO THE TWO YEAR DURATION THEORETICALLY, SHOULD THE COMMISSION WANT IT. 
          UH, WITH THAT HEIDI, THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          I JUST WANTED TO HAVE ONE CLARIFYING QUESTION I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER TO. 
          BUT SAY THIS, WERE TO GO DOWN AND YOU WERE TO PICK, SAY, UM, UH, A NEW CHAIR AND THAT CHAIR WAS LOUSY. 
          AND SO AFTER THE FIRST YEAR OF THE TWO CONSECUTIVE TERMS, UH, SOMEBODY COULD NOMINATE SOMEBODY ELSE, RIGHT? I MEAN WAS AFTER THE FIRST TERM, AFTER THE FIRST YEAR? MM-HMM. 
          , RIGHT? SO SOMEBODY WOULD SAY, YOU WOULD GO THROUGH THIS EVENT IN JULY. 
          YOU COULD SAY, OKAY, LET'S SEE WHO WE'RE GONNA HAVE A CHAIR. 
          ARE WE GONNA HAVE THE SAME CHAIR OR NOT? AND THEN SOMEBODY COULD SAY, IF THAT'S A LOUSY CHAIR, I NOMINATE THIS PERSON. 
          AND THEN EVERYBODY'S LIKE, YEAH, THAT IS A LOUSY CHAIR. 
          SO THAT'S HOW WE COULD GET OUT OF THIS. 
          CORRECT. 
          RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THERE'S A DEFAULT MECHANISM TO GET RID OF A LOUSY CHAIR , UH, YEAH. 
          QUESTION ON, UH, JUST THE, 
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THE LOSS AND GAIN FROM THAT ROTATION. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, I'LL JUST SAY FUNDAMENTALLY I LIKE POWER CYCLING LIKE THAT. 
          I LIKE COMMITTEES, ESPECIALLY COMMITTEES THAT ARE POTENTIAL FEEDERS TO COUNCIL OR WHATEVER, NOT HAVING IT, UH, DOMINATED. 
          NOW I UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT OF THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          PART OF ME THINKS EVEN MORE. 
          SO IT'S NICE TO HAVE DIFFERENT LEADERSHIP AND DIFFERENT VOICES IN A THING AS BROAD AS THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          BUT WHAT'S OUR LOSS? I MEAN, WHEN STAFF TRIES TO QUANTIFY THIS, WE TALK ABOUT MEETINGS. 
          I MEAN, WE ALL GET A COPY OF AN AGENDA, WE DO OUR READING AND DO OUR WORK. 
          WHEN WE THINK ABOUT SWITCHING CHAIRS, WHAT ARE THE BIG KIND OF FEARS AND PAIN POINTS FOR STAFF QUANTIFIED AS WELL AS WE CAN? 'CAUSE I GET THE LOGIC OF IT, BUT JUST WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. 
          LIKE, HEY, WE'VE GOT A DIFFERENT CHAIR. 
          OH NO, THIS NEW PERSON'S STEPPING IN. 
          WE'LL HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          OR I MEAN, WHAT IS THAT FOR, FOR STAFF, JUST SO WE KNOW. 
          WELL, SOME OF IT IS JUST THE CONTINUITY, RIGHT? SO WAS THINKING OF IT LESS, YOU CALLED IT A POWER CYCLING? I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK STAFF WAS THINKING OF THE CHAIR HAVING POWER. 
          ANY, ANY, THE CHAIR DOES NOT HAVE ANY POWER OF THE VOTE THAN ANYBODY ELSE ON, ON THE DAIS. 
          SO I DON'T THINK ANYONE ON THE STAFF SIDE OF THINGS FELT LIKE IT WAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH POWER. 
          IT WAS JUST ABOUT LIKE KIND OF CONTINUITY AND STYLE AND LEADERSHIP. 
          WE HAVE ALSO HEARD FROM, UH, PREVIOUS CHAIR, MEMBER CHAIR, CHAIR PEOPLE, UM, THAT, UM, IT TAKES A WHILE TO GET YOUR GROOVE TO KIND OF LEARN THE INS AND OUTS AND OF RUNNING THEM, UH, RUNNING THE MEETINGS AND THE, YOU KNOW, AND SO WE HAVE HEARD FROM CHAIRS AFTER THEY'VE DONE IT. 
          AND WHEN THEIR YEAR'S UP, I WAS JUST GETTING INTO IT. 
          I WAS JUST KIND OF FEELING THAT CONFIDENCE AND THAT LIKE, I KNOW THE ROPES AND I, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT THIS DOWN AND THEN, AND THEN THEY LEAVE. 
          SO WHEN YOU'RE, OUR THINKING WAS WHEN YOU WERE LOOKING AT SOMETHING THIS MONUMENTAL TO KIND OF, UH, BRIAN'S POINT. 
          THIS IS, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY ONCE, ONCE IN A PUBLIC SERVICE KIND OF EVENT, JUST THAT CONTINUITY AND THAT FLUIDITY AND THAT CONFIDENCE IN RUNNING THOSE MEETINGS, UH, DEALING WITH PUBLIC COMMENT, YOU KNOW, JUST THE, THE WHOLE THING. 
          SO IT WAS NOT FROM A POWER PERSPECTIVE, IT WAS JUST THAT, THAT FLUIDITY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I SHOULD HAVE SAID POWER AND RESPONSIBILITY OR WHATEVER COMES WITH THAT POSITION. 
          UM, AND THEN I GUESS THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION IS KIND OF WHY NOW, UH, FOR THE GENERAL PLAN PROCESS, WAS IT JUST RUBBERS MEETING, THE ROAD PLANNING, STARTING TO SEE IT? SO WE THOUGHT OF IT OR JUST THE GENESIS, THE IDEA KINDA WHY, WHY? NO, I, I DON'T KNOW. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          CAN, I DON'T KNOW THE GENESIS TO BE HONEST. 
          WELL, I BELIEVE PART OF THE GENESIS, UM, IS COMING FROM THE COMMISSION ITSELF. 
          I MEAN, I THINK THAT WAS, ALLUDED ALLUDED TO EARLIER IN THE CONVERSATION, UM, THE SORT OF, IF, GOING BACK TO THE QUANTIFICATION, UM, WHAT I HAVE TYPICALLY HEARD FROM PAST CHAIRS IS IT REALLY TAKES SIX MONTHS TO SORT OF GET OFF THE GROUND, RIGHT? AND SO YOU'RE ALREADY HALFWAY, YOU KNOW, INTO THE, THE TERM, THE CYCLE, UM, IN TERMS OF WHAT LOST OPPORTUNITY THERE IS FOR STAFF, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE IS SOME INITIAL ONBOARDING THAT COMES WHEN A, A NEW CHAIR, UM, STARTS. 
          AND SO, UM, WE DO HAVE IT, ANDREW'S GOT IT, UM, DIALED IN REALLY NICELY, UM, TO THE POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S ESSENTIALLY A PROGRAM, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, YOU SORT OF ELEVATED TO THIS ROLE OF, UM, RUNNING A MEETING. 
          THERE'S, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING THE RULES. 
          AND SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A STARTUP COST TO IT. 
          UM, THAT SAID, I THINK WHY YOU'RE SEEING OFTENTIMES, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT STRICTLY POLICY, WHY, HOW THE VICE CHAIR ESSENTIALLY ROTATES TO BE THE CHAIR IS, UM, THERE ARE TIMES LIKE TODAY, EARLIER AT THE START OF THE MEETING WHERE YOU ARE STARTING TO GET A LITTLE BIT OF THAT EXPERIENCE. 
          UM, AND SO YOU GET A LITTLE BIT OF THAT FLAVOR. 
          YOU UNDERSTAND THE TIME COMMITMENT THAT, UM, THAT, UM, YOU MAY BE COMMITTING TO, UM, THAT GOES BEYOND JUST SITTING ON THE COMMISSION. 
          UM, BUT ACTUALLY RUNNING THE MEETINGS THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT MORE PREP WORK THAT GOES INTO IT. 
          UM, BUT NOTHING THAT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW THAT WE'RE SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE LOSING PRODUCTIVITY BECAUSE OF IT, OR THAT'S NOT THE REASON. 
          THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS, COUNCILMAN? YES. 
          UM, WELL NOW I'M, I'M QUESTIONING WHY AFTER THE GENERAL PLAN IS DONE THAT WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, 
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TAKE THIS RULE AWAY BECAUSE THERE MAY BE A BENEFIT OR, YOU KNOW, FOR THE COMMISSION TO WANT, YOU KNOW, TO REAPPOINT SOMEBODY FOR THE SECOND YEAR. 
          AND I, SO I'M SEEING, YOU KNOW, THE PROS AND CONS AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE ALSO REACHED OUT TO SOME OF OUR COLLEAGUES, LIKE, HOW DO YOU HANDLE THIS? YOU KNOW? SO IT WAS INTERESTING TO, YOU KNOW, TALK WITH, YOU KNOW, OUR COLLEAGUES IN TATI AND THE COUNTY AND SANTA ROSA AND TO HEAR THEY, THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY LIMIT AND THEY DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THERE WAS A, THERE WAS AN ISSUE. 
          SO ALSO WHEN YOU HAVE A CHAIR THAT EVERYONE FEELS LIKE THIS IS GOING GREAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT PERSON CAN CONTINUE AND YOU STILL HAVE TO COMMISSIONER BOWER'S POINT, YOU STILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY IF YOU HAD A REALLY LOUSY CHAIR TO SAY NO. 
          SO THEORETICALLY IF, IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION FELT LIKE IT WAS A GOOD MOVE AND WANTED TO REMOVE THE SUNSET, THAT IS AN, IS AN OPTION TOO. 
          THE SUNSET WAS KIND OF ADDED IN THERE, I THINK, TO KIND OF, UH, ADD SOMETHING ABOUT WHY WE WERE DOING IT AND TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS THAT HAD COME OUT. 
          BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT MANDATORY. 
          YEAH, BECAUSE I'D ALMOST LIKE TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION NOT TO HAVE THAT SUNSET AND JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A GOOD CHAIR, I MEAN MAYBE SOMEBODY THAT DOESN'T WANNA BE THE CHAIR AND TWO YEARS, YOU REALLY GET A LOT MORE EXPERIENCE. 
          I MEAN, I'M JUST, UM, AND I LIKE THE IDEA THAT THE MAYOR DOES NOT APPOINT THE CHAIR. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S WHEN POLITICS COMES INTO IT, AND IT'S ACTUALLY JUST THIS COMMITTEE THAT WOULD BE APPOINTING THE CHAIR. 
          UM, BUT I'D ALMOST, I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK OF AS FAR AS NOT HAVING A SUNSET AND THAT, BUT EVERY YEAR YOU WOULD STILL HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, VOTE FOR THE CHAIR. 
          SO IT, IT CAN BE UP TO TWO YEARS, BUT EACH YEAR WE WOULD STILL VOTE. 
          I, I THINK I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE DOING IT THAT WAY BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A BENEFIT. 
          AND I, I'D JUST LIKE TO HEAR WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK OF THAT. 
          WELL, I'LL JUST ADD, ADD TO THAT POINT. 
          LIKE HEATHER SAID, ALL OF OUR OTHER COMMISSIONS BESIDES THE AIRPORT COMMISSION FOR WHATEVER REASON, ALLOWS THAT FLEXIBILITY AND DOESN'T HAVE A SUNSET. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE AIRPORT COMMISSION, BUT THE PSAC THAT WAS RECENTLY DONE, YEAH, IT PROVIDES THAT FLEXIBILITY. 
          SO THAT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING, IF WE GET FOUR VOTES TO STRIKE IT OUT, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO. 
          CAN YOU JUST CLARIFY ON THOSE OTHER, SETTING ASIDE, PLANNING AN AIRPORT, ARE YOU SAYING THAT THEY HAVE NO TERM LIMIT AT ALL OR UP TO TWO? OR WHAT IS THE OTHER STRUCTURE FOR OTHER CCBS? A LOT DON'T HAVE ANY REQUIREMENTS AND THEY'RE JUST COMPLETELY SILENT. 
          THE, THERE'S LIKE THREE OR FOUR, I WANNA SAY IT'S THE, UH, PARKS AND RECS, THE SENIOR, THEY SAY THAT, UH, THEY MAY, A CHAIR MAY BE APPOINTED FOR ONE YEAR AND THEN, BUT IT'S SILENT ON THOSE CONSECUTIVE YEARS. 
          SO THEORETICALLY THEY COULD GET VOTED EVERY SINGLE YEAR BY THE MAJORITY OF THEIR COMMISSIONER BODY. 
          OKAY. 
          I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE, UM, TO JUST SEE HOW IT WORKS OUT FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS. 
          AND THEN YOU COULD READDRESS THIS AS A GROUP AND SEE, DID WE LIKE THIS OR DID WE NOT LIKE THIS? YOU KNOW, I DON'T, THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION. 
          MY QUESTION IS, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE CONTINUITY, BUT IF WE LOSE BLAKE, 'CAUSE HE RUNS FOR COUNCIL, I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE'VE ACHIEVED. 
          I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. 
          WELL, MAYBE WE'RE STRAYING OUT OF QUESTIONS AND SHOULD GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN TO COMMENT SO WE CAN LIKE DISCUSS THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. 
          I'M GONNA OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          I'M ALSO JUST A LITTLE FLUSTERED, BUT YEAH, I, I'M GONNA OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          DO WE HAVE ONE? OH, WE'VE GOT, THAT'S FINE. 
          OH, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. 
          LET ME JUST READ THE THING AND WE'LL GET GOING. 
          THE PUBLIC IS THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO COMMENT ON THIS ITEM. 
          PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON. 
          IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE SO ALREADY, PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD AND BRING IT TO THE CLERK. 
          YOU CAN GO, HE CAN GO FIRST. 
          I JUST NEED ONE OF THOSE. 
          OH, ALRIGHT. 
          YOU CAN DO THAT. 
          UM, IT IS TRUE, WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS IN THE SENIOR ADVISORY COMMITTEE. 
          UM, BUT WE DID HAVE A SIMILAR PROBLEM. 
          WE HAD A, A DULY ELECTED, UH, CHAIR AND THREE MONTHS INTO THE FIRST YEAR THAT SHE WAS GOING TO BE THE CHAIR DECIDED THAT SHE WAS NOT CAPABLE OF THE JOB. 
          UM, AND KIND OF WANTED TO STAND ON THE COMMITTEE, BUT DIDN'T WANNA BE PART OF THE CHAIR. 
          UM, I KIND OF LIKE THAT YOU GUYS PICK 
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YOUR OWN MM-HMM, , UM, CHAIR, VICE CHAIR, WHATEVER YOU DO. 
          UM, BUT I ALSO SEE THE REASON FOR THE CONTINUITY THAT MAKES REAL SENSE WHEN THIS BIG THING IS HAPPENING. 
          IT ALSO WOULD MAKE BIG SENSE, UM, FOR YOUR ABILITY TO DO THAT SECOND YEAR WITH THE SAME CHAIR THAT YOU LIKE. 
          YOU'D GET MORE DONE. 
          UM, BUT I LIKE WHAT JANICE SAID ABOUT NOT HAVING A SUNSET CLAUSE. 
          SO SITTING OUT HERE IN THE, IN THE THING, I SEE ALL THE DIFFERENT PARTS AND, AND I THINK IT'S, IT'S A REAL POSSIBILITY TO KEEP IT ONE WHAT'S WORKING. 
          CAN YOU WORK BEYOND ONE YEAR? THIS IS A VERY COMPLEX MM-HMM. 
           ORGANIZATION THAT, THAT YOU HAVE AS THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          IT'S WAY MORE COMPLEX THAN THE SENIOR ADVISORY COMMITTEE . 
          UH, SO YEAH, I SEE THE REASON FOR IT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH NICOLA. 
          ALEX. 
          HI. 
          UM, I HAVEN'T GOT MUCH TO SAY, BUT I JUST THINK IT'S EXTREMELY SUSPICIOUS THAT THE SUBCONTRACTOR THAT THE CITY HIRED M GROUP FOR PLANNING IS NOW MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO CHANGE CITY RULES. 
          UM, I THINK PERHAPS MAYBE THEY'VE GOTTEN TOO COMFORTABLE, BUT, UM, I WOULD SAY ALSO THIS, THIS NERVOUSNESS THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY COULD GET ANOTHER TERM OUT OF IT. 
          YOU KNOW, THIS GO AROUND, WELL, IT'S BEING VOTED ON. 
          I THINK THAT IF, IF THOSE PEOPLE IN THOSE POSITIONS TRULY DON'T WANT, WELL SUPPORT THIS AND THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA THAT THEY WOULD, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY WOULD SAY PUBLICLY NOW THAT I'M, I'M NOT GOING TO DO THIS, YOU KNOW, THAT I'M NOT GOING TO RUN AGAIN MYSELF WHILE THIS DECISION'S BEING MADE. 
          BECAUSE OTHERWISE IF YOU DON'T, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE IN IT FOR ANOTHER TERM OR A PERSONAL GAIN OR WHATEVER. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO I THINK IF YOU TRULY WEREN'T IN IT FOR YOURSELF OR FOR WHATEVER REASON OR AGENDA, YOU WOULD SAY, I'M NOT GOING TO SEEK THAT POSITION AGAIN AND THEN LET IT FALL TO, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY ONLINE COMMENTS? WE RECEIVED NO PUBLIC COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING. 
          GOT IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NOW WE ARE BACK FOR DISCUSSION AND COMMENTS. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER, I HAVE A COMMENT. 
          UM, FIRST OF ALL, THE M GROUP IS, ARE OUR EMPLOYEES AND I'M TIRED OF GETTING LETTERS AND HEARING PEOPLE GET UP AND SLAM OUR CITY EMPLOYEES. 
          THEY DO A HARD JOB. 
          THEY DO A GREAT JOB. 
          AND IT THAT IS POLITICAL. 
          SO WE CAN PLAY POLITICAL ON EITHER SIDE OF THIS DAIS. 
          UM, MY QUESTION IS, DOES THE VICE CHAIR AUTOMATICALLY BECOME THE CHAIR? AND THE ANSWER I THINK IS NO, BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE TO VOTE. 
          SO IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S A, IT'S A SUCCESSION. 
          AND THERE WAS A LETTER FROM JANE HAMILTON AND SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT WHEN SHE WAS ON THE COUNCIL AND DIDN'T BECOME VICE MAYOR. 
          WELL, IN THOSE DAYS IT WAS REALLY POLITICAL AND THE COUNCIL DECIDED WHO WAS GONNA BE THE VICE MAYOR, AND THE YET THE CHARTER SAID THAT THE HIGHEST VOTE GETTER BECAME THE VICE MAYOR. 
          UM, AND THE FIRST TIME I WAS ON THE COUNCIL, I WASN'T THE VICE MAYOR THE FIRST TIME BECAUSE NOBODY WAS FOLLOWING THOSE RULES. 
          AND SO I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT NOT TO COMPARE WHAT THE CITY, HOW THE CITY COUNCIL IS, YOU KNOW, VERSUS THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          UM, BECAUSE WE REALLY DO HAVE RULES ON THE, IN THE CHARTER. 
          UM, BUT IT IS NOT JUST AUTOMATIC THAT THE VICE CHAIR BECOMES BECAUSE WE HAVE TO VOTE ON IT. 
          SO IT JUST SEEMS AS THOUGH EVERYBODY, JUST ASSUMING WHOEVER THE VICE CHAIR IS GOING TO BE THE, THE CHAIR AND THEN THE, YOU KNOW, DOES THE SECOND VICE CHAIR THEN BECOME IT, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT TIME. 
          I MEAN IT'S, IT'S JUST KIND OF WONKY. 
          UM, I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE JUST, YOU KNOW, I DO LIKE THE IDEA THAT SOMEBODY COULD BE CHAIR TWO YEARS. 
          I THINK THAT'S REALLY GOOD. 
          UM, AND WE, THIS DECISION WILL BE MADE IF WE SUPPORT, THIS WILL BE MADE IN JULY AND YOU KNOW, HYPOTHETICALLY IF BLAKE RUNS FOR CITY COUNCIL AND IF HE GETS ELECTED, UM, WE WILL APPOINT SOMEBODY FOR THE TWO YEAR TERM, NO, FOR A ONE YEAR TERM. 
          AND THEY'RE FOR ONE YEAR TERM AND THEN A ONE YEAR EXTENSION IF THEY WANT TO EXACTLY. 
          THROW THEIR NAME IN THE HAT TO POTENTIALLY BE REELECTED. 
          THAT'S WHAT I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE REALLY CLEAR HERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          NO, EXACTLY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IT'S ABOUT THE FLEXIBILITY TO HAVE A SECOND ROUND AND IT, I'M JUST GONNA 
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GO BECAUSE MY MIC'S ON AGAIN. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, I, IT'S HARD TO HAVE THESE RULES CONVERSATIONS AT ANY TIME. 
          UM, I THINK THERE'S INDIVIDUALS IN POSITIONS NOW THAT WE CAN'T HELP BUT SORT OF OVERLAY THIS RULE ON THOSE INDIVIDUALS. 
          BUT THIS RULE NEEDS TO APPLY TO THE BODY IN GENERAL FOR WE EXPECT YEARS TO COME WHEN MANY OF US WILL CYCLE OFF THE COMMISSION. 
          SO IT'S NOT ABOUT THE INDIVIDUALS, I THINK IT'S ABOUT THE FUNCTIONING OF THIS BODY. 
          AND TO THAT END, BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A COMPLICATED COMMISSION THAT HAS REALLY LONG PROJECTS WHERE WE'RE NOW SEEING A PRE SPAR SPAR, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING PROJECTS FOUR TIMES BEFORE WE'RE VOTING, LET ALONE GENERAL PLAN COMPLICATIONS. 
          I THINK HAVING AN INDIVIDUAL BUILD THOSE SKILLS AND HAVE THE OPTION TO THROW THEIR NAME IN THE HAT FOR A SECOND TERM, NOT GUARANTEED THAT THEY'LL GET ELECTED, NOT GUARANTEED THAT THEY'LL WANT THE SECOND TERM, NOT GUARANTEED THAT THEY'LL STILL BE ON THE COMMISSION. 
          ALL ALL OF THOSE THINGS CAN RESULT IN A YEAR CYCLE FOR THE NEXT SEVERAL CHAIRS. 
          LIKE THAT'S TOTALLY A POSSIBILITY EVEN IF WE DO PASS THIS RULE. 
          UM, BUT I WOULD AGREE WITH THE, UH, COUNCILWOMAN THAT I DON'T ACTUALLY THINK WE NEED THE SUNSET. 
          I THINK WHEN IT COMES TO THE COMPLICATIONS OF THIS COMMISSION, HAVING SOME INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE BE AVAILABLE TO BE PASSED, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY HAVE A NEW PERSON EVERY YEAR, I THINK WOULD BE VALUABLE FOR THE BODY TO HAVE THE OPTION. 
          NONE OF IT'S MANDATORY. 
          THERE'S STILL AN ELECTION. 
          YOU COULD HAVE A CHAIR WHO IS TERMING OUT AND THEN THERE'S, EVEN IF THEY HAD A SECOND YEAR POTENTIAL, THEY COULDN'T GET IT ANYWAY 'CAUSE THEY'RE OFF THE COMMISSION. 
          LIKE THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT IT'S GONNA KEEP GOING TOO. 
          I THINK ALSO AN IMPORTANT POINT, THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT VICE CHAIR GOES TO CHAIR, SECOND CHAIR GOES, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALL HANDLED VIA ELECTION AND UH, I DON'T SEE THIS POLITICAL THREAT, UM, THAT SOME PUBLIC COMMENTERS MADE AROUND, UH, WHAT, YOU KNOW, COULD POTENTIALLY BE CONCEIVED AS AS BAD OPTICS HERE. 
          I THINK IT'S JUST GIVING THIS TAXING BODY, THIS BODY THAT HAS A LOT OF HARD, LONG PROJECTS, THE FLEXIBILITY TO CONTINUE AS THE MAJORITY OF OTHER COMMITTEES AND COMMISSIONS DO THEIR LEADERSHIP. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND THANK YOU FOR ALL THE CLARIFYING QUESTIONS AND UM, I, I KINDA LIKE WHAT JANICE BROUGHT UP ABOUT NO SUNSET AND I'LL, I'LL JUST LAY OUT, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, YOU KNOW, I WAS APPROACHED PRETTY EARLY ON BY BLAKE WITH THIS AT THE PETALUMA RIVER CAFE. 
          IS IT, SIT DOWN, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS? IS THIS SOMETHING YOU'D BE COMFORTABLE WITH? AND I THINK THAT WAS SOMETHING COMING FROM, UM, ANDREW OR THE FIRST STAFF MEMBER OF KIND OF, HEY, FLOAT THIS OUT AND MAKE SURE YOU'RE BOTH COMFORTABLE. 
          AND I THINK IN BROAD STROKES I WAS LIKE, YEAH, I DON'T SEE THIS AS DISASTROUS, BUT I THINK THE EXACT WORD I USED. 
          BUT I DON'T LIKE, YOU KNOW, CAESAR DECLARING THEMSELVES EMPEROR. 
          I DON'T LIKE SOMEONE KIND OF GETTING AROUND WHAT ARE REALLY RESTRICTIONS ON POTENTIAL DOMINANCE OF A BODY, RIGHT? THAT'S THE WAY OF TERM LIMITS IN GENERAL IS IT MAY, YOU MAY NOT WANT TO CONSIDER IT POWER, BUT IT'S A CYCLING OF RESPONSIBILITY, OF OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE IN DIFFERENT ROLES AND THAT'S WHY TERM LIMITS EXIST. 
          UM, SO THE MORE I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS INITIALLY I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW WHAT, UH, MAYBE I DON'T LOVE THIS. 
          MAYBE I LIKE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS THE PETALUMA PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, KIND OF DISTINCT FROM OUR PEERS HAS THIS ONE TERM LIMIT THAT ALLOWS FOR THE MAXIMUM OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMEONE IN THEIR FOUR YEAR TERM TO GET A CHANCE TO PARTICIPATE AND BE CHAIR IF THEY SO CHOOSE. 
          UM, AND I'VE EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT SCENARIOS WHERE IT'S LIKE, WELL, AND, AND IT IS REALLY HARD NOT TO POLITICIZE IT. 
          AND I THINK HONESTLY, I MEAN I THINK BLAKE AND I WORK WELL TOGETHER. 
          WE'VE GONE TO SOME OF THE PRE-CHECK MEETINGS AS A CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR TEAM. 
          UM, I THINK IN THAT DYNAMIC, I THINK ON ONE HAND YOU CAN MAKE THE ARGUMENT, WELL THEN, YOU KNOW, WHY DON'T YOU JUST ROTATE? OR WHY DON'T CHAIRS AND VICE CHAIRS FOR BIG PROJECTS IN THE FUTURE JUST KIND OF ROTATE AND SUPPORT, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE IN THE SAME MEETINGS. 
          DO WE NEED THE CHANGE? BUT THEN FUNCTIONALLY, WHY NOT HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY, RIGHT? THAT THAT CUTS BOTH WAYS. 
          IF YOU CAN JUST CYCLE INTO DIFFERENT POSITIONS AND FUNCTIONALLY PLAY SOME OF THE SAME ROLES, WHETHER YOU'RE CHAIR OR VICE CHAIR, WHY NOT INTEGRATE THE FLEXIBILITY? SO I THINK FOR ME, IT, IT WAS HARD NOT TO POLITICIZE IT AT FIRST. 
          IT WAS HARD FOR ME NOT TO SEE AS THIS IS A WAY OF EITHER STAFF WITH A PREFERENCE, UH, FOR BLAKE RUNNING THE MEETINGS ON THE COMMISSION OR UM, BLAKE WANTING TO DO THIS. 
          BUT AS I'M HEARING THE DISCUSSION EVOLVE AROUND IT. 
          AND I THINK THE WAY YOU COUNTER THAT, AND AS MUCH AS STAFF HAS MADE IT VERY CLEAR THIS IS ABOUT THE FUTURE, THIS ISN'T ABOUT PEOPLE IN OFFICE NOW. 
          UM, I MEAN, TO ROGER'S POINT, WE ARE GONNA HAVE A CHAIR THAT TURNS OUT. 
          SO DO WE WANT TO SET THE TABLE IN A SCENARIO WHERE 
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IT MIGHT NOT COME TO FRUITION? UM, BUT I THINK BY ENDING THE SUNSET IN A WAY THAT DEPOLITICIZE IT, BECAUSE NOW IT IS TRULY, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO'S IN THERE BECAUSE NOW THIS IS JUST A NEW RULE. 
          YOU CAN HAVE TWO YEARS MOVING FORWARD. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE A FLAVOR OF THIS, WHICH I THINK HEARING FROM THE MAJORITY OF THIS BODY, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE IS BROAD SUPPORT FOR THIS AS A FLEXIBILITY TOOL, I WOULD ADVOCATE FOR IT AS A WAY OF GETTING RID OF OR AS GETTING RID OF THE SUNSET CLAUSE FOR GENERAL PLAN JUST MAKES IT A NEW WAY THIS BODY FUNCTIONS. 
          UM, TO THAT POINT, I MEAN, I THINK IT STILL ALLOWS OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE EVERY YEAR TO ROTATE. 
          'CAUSE I REALLY LIKE THAT. 
          I THINK THAT'S WHAT INITIALLY, 'CAUSE WE HAD HAD DISCUSSION TO THIS. 
          I WILL SAY OUR APRIL 23RD MEETING, I FELT WAS A TOTAL BULLDOZER JOB WHERE WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE ISSUE AT ALL AND WE JUST KIND OF RAISED OUR HAND AND IT WAS LIKE, OH YEAH, YEAH, WE'RE JUST GONNA PUT IT ON THERE. 
          LET'S TALK ABOUT IT. 
          WE DIDN'T REVIEW SLIDES, WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IT. 
          SO THAT I DIDN'T LOVE, RIGHT. 
          THAT AND THE KIND OF PRESUMPTION OF LIKE, OH, THIS IS GONNA PASS. 
          THIS IS A GREAT THING. 
          I DON'T LOVE THAT. 
          I DON'T LOVE FEELING LIKE WE'RE BYPASSING NATURAL PROCESS. 
          AND THAT WAS SOME OF MY HESITANCY INITIALLY WITH THIS IS, LOOK, WE'VE GOT A CHAIR WHOSE TERM IS EXPIRING. 
          WE'VE GOT THESE OTHER POLITICAL THINGS IN PLAY. 
          ARE WE PRESUPPOSING HOW THAT PROCESS WORKS OUT? UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, I THINK ALL IN ALL, IF WE ELIMINATE THAT SUNSET, THAT KIND OF DIFFUSES A LOT OF THOSE ARGUMENTS. 
          THIS ISN'T FOR THE PERSON THERE NOW. 
          THIS IS INTO THE FUTURE GIVING THAT OPPORTUNITY. 
          UM, SO IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE A FLAVOR OF THIS, I WOULD LIKE THE ONE THAT DOESN'T HAVE, UH, THE SUNSET ON IT. 
          AND I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT. 
          YEAH, I MEAN, I JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST MEETING, IT WAS ODD. 
          WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT. 
          IT JUST, IT WAS PROBABLY LATE . 
          VERY LATE. 
          IT WAS. 
          AND YOU KNOW, WE JUST MOVED ON KIND OF SAYING, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS AT ANOTHER TIME, YOU KNOW, UM, SOONER. 
          BUT, BUT I FEEL MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS. 
          UM, JUST HAVING A TWO YEAR TERM THAT'S AN OPTION. 
          A ONE YEAR TERM. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU GET REAPPOINTED A SECOND TIME, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S WHAT THE GROUP CHOOSES. 
          AND, UM, AND I APPRECIATE THAT DARREN. 
          I WOULD SUPPORT BOARD, OH, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA TAKE THIS MOMENT TO GIVE A COMMENT. 
          I'VE, I'VE TRIED TO BE CAREFUL THROUGHOUT ALL OF THIS. 
          'CAUSE I WANT EVERYONE HERE TO HAVE THE FULL RANGE OF HOW THEY FEEL, WHAT THEIR OPINIONS ARE, WHAT, WHERE THEY WANT THIS TO GO WITHOUT, IN ANY WAY TAKING FROM MY EMOTIONS OR CONCERNS WHERE THEY SHOULD GO. 
          UM, I HAVE TO SAY, I DO WISH I HAD STARTED OUT THIS DISCUSSION GIVING SOME DISCLOSURES. 
          'CAUSE I THINK IT WOULD'VE SIMPLIFIED A FEW THINGS. 
          SO I'LL START WITH THIS. 
          I HAVE LOVED BEING CHAIR THIS YEAR. 
          I HAVE LOVED THE RESPONSIBILITY OF IT. 
          I'VE LOVED THE WORK THAT IS REQUIRED TO GO IN AND REALLY MAKE THIS PROCESS MODERATELY ACCESSIBLE. 
          AND IT REALLY WAS NEVER BUILT TO BE. 
          BUT MAKING IT SO THAT PEOPLE ARE GETTING THEIR ANSWERS, THAT THEY'RE ENGAGED, THAT WE HAVE CLARITY AND CLEAR OUTCOMES. 
          I REMEMBER THE, I REMEMBER THE HELL THAT YOU HAD TO GO THROUGH DURING THE COVID YEARS OF LIKE, TRYING TO GET THROUGH A DISCUSSION. 
          SO I, I ALSO LOVED THAT THE PRIVILEGE OF GETTING TO DO IT HERE IN THE D AND NOT ON A SCREEN. 
          UH, AS MUCH AS I HAVE LOVED THAT EFFORT, UH, IF I THOUGHT FOR A SECOND THAT THIS MEASURE WAS GONNA BE ABOUT ME, I WOULD'VE SAID NO. 
          I WOULD'VE DONE WHATEVER I COULD DO TO BULLDOZE IT OFF, OFF THE AGENDA. 
          AND THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE, ONE, I HAVE A VERY GOOD VICE CHAIR. 
          AND IF, IF RICK WERE STILL STAYING, I WOULD'VE SAID A VERY GOOD SECOND VICE CHAIR. 
          OTHER PEOPLE WHO'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS, WHO I KNOW CAN DO THE JOB. 
          AND THERE ARE PEOPLE, FRANKLY, EVERYONE ON THIS COMMISSION CAN DO THE JOB. 
          I THINK ANY COMMISSIONER WHO GETS APPOINTED HAS THAT ABILITY. 
          UM, IT MADE SENSE TO ME FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF WE'RE GONNA HAVE TWO YEARS, I ASSUMED TWO YEARS AFTER ME, TO BE CLEAR. 
          I DO NOT WANT TO BE CHAIR A SECOND TIME. 
          UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TWO YEARS WHERE THE MOST CRITICAL DECISIONS ARE GONNA COME UP. 
          AND IF YOU HAVE A GOOD CHAIR TO FOLLOW THAT YOU REALLY LIKE AND YOU WANT TO CONTINUE, AND IT KEEPS THAT DISCUSSION GOING. 
          GREAT. 
          I, I SAW WHERE THE VALUE WAS. 
          UM, I WILL, I'M TRYING TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I, I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF RULES AROUND WHAT YOU CAN AND CAN'T TALK ABOUT ON A DAIS. 
          SO I'LL JUST SAY I HAVE CERTAIN THINGS THAT I AM DOING IN MY PERSONAL LIFE THAT I ALSO WOULD NOT WANT TO EVER ASK, 
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WOULD NOT WANT TO EVER SPLIT MY FOCUS THAT WAY, WHERE I'M NOT PUTTING EVERYTHING I HAVE INTO BEING CHAIR. 
          BECAUSE, AND IF YOU'LL GIVE ME THIS INDULGENCE FOR A MOMENT, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS LIKE TO BE CHAIR PRIOR TO THE GENERAL PLAN PRIOR TO SOME OF THIS COMING IN. 
          SO IT MIGHT HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AT THIS LOAD. 
          UM, BUT BEING CHAIR THROUGHOUT THIS HAS EVOLVED. 
          SURE, THERE'S RUNNING THE MEETINGS, BUT THERE'S SETTING THE AGENDA FOR WHEN FRAMEWORKS ARE GONNA COME FORWARD, WORKING WITH ANDREW AND THE STAFF ON WHICH PROJECTS ARE GONNA GET SEQUENCED WHEN, WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO FIT ALL THESE OTHER THINGS IN ON A TIMELINE. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, IF YOU'VE HATED THE FREQUENCY OF OUR MEETINGS, DON'T BLAME STAFF. 
          BLAME ME. 
          UH, IT'S BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF THINGS THAT ALL HAVE A TIGHT DEADLINE AND ARE IMPORTANT TO OUR CITY. 
          SO I'VE BEEN LIKE, IF WE CAN MAKE THE QUORUM, LET'S MAKE THE QUORUM, LET'S DO IT. 
          UM, I SPEND PROBABLY A GOOD 15 HOURS A WEEK, IF NOT MORE, RESPONDING TO EMAILS, CALLS AND TEXTS. 
          AND I LOVE IT. 
          DON'T GET ME WRONG, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT IS AN ADDED TIME OF PEOPLE GOING, HEY, I HEARD THIS. 
          WHAT IS THIS? AND I LOVE THAT THEY WANNA REACH OUT. 
          IT IS GREAT, BUT IT'S, IT'S MORE THAN JUST, HEY, I DON'T LIKE THIS PROJECT. 
          IT'S CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THIS MEANS ON THIS FLYER THAT THEY HEARD? BECAUSE THE GENERAL PLAN'S BEEN A THING WE'VE ALL BEEN REALLY TALKING ABOUT FOR A WHILE. 
          UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING, AND THIS IS WHERE, YES, I HAVE REALLY LIKED WORKING WITH STAFF ON THIS AND I THINK THE COMMISSION STAFF HAVE WORKED WELL TOGETHER ON IT, IS HOW WE REFINE AND IMPROVE OUR PROCESS. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF REFLECTION THAT GOES INTO THAT. 
          'CAUSE I KNOW AS CHAIR, THERE'VE BEEN SOME MEETINGS WHERE I'VE GONE, UGH, OKAY, I HAVE TO DO THAT BETTER. 
          WE HAVE TO DO THAT BETTER. 
          HOW DO WE DO THAT NEXT PART? SO THIS IS ALL TO SAY YOU MIGHT GET A COMMISSION WITH NEW COMMISSIONERS WHO HAVE FAMILIES, HAVE JOBS THAT DON'T ALLOW THEM ENOUGH FLEXIBILITY BEYOND JUST BEING A COMMISSIONER. 
          AND I DON'T MEAN JUST AS IN IT'S NOT A LOT OF WORK. 
          IT IS A LOT OF WORK, BUT SHARE IS A WHOLE NEW ADDED THING TO IT. 
          AND YOU MIGHT ALSO GET PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO DESIRE TO COORDINATE ANY OF THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE THE FLEXIBILITY MADE SENSE TO ME. 
          THAT'S WHY I SUPPORT THIS BEGIN WITH. 
          THAT'S WHY WHEN I REACHED OUT TO DARREN, PART OF THAT WAS EARLY ON WHEN, WHEN THIS WAS FIRST FLOATED, UH, FLOATED TO ME, I WAS LIKE, OKAY, I WANTED US TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE IN PART BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT HIM TO FEEL LIKE, OH, THIS IS JUST WHAT ABOUT ME? WHAT ABOUT OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR VICE CHAIRS? LIKE, NO, EVERYONE HERE IS QUALIFIED. 
          IT'S A QUESTION OF TIME. 
          AND TO BE ABSOLUTELY CLEAR, I AM NOT LOOKING TO BE CHAIR A SECOND TIME. 
          I'M LOOKING FOR THIS BODY TO ELECT THEIR CHAIR AS THEY'VE ALWAYS DONE. 
          SO PLEASE DON'T DO ANY OF THIS AROUND ME. 
          AND I DO, ROGER, IF I CAN ANSWER YOUR QUESTION DIRECTLY, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW IT'S, I GET IT. 
          THE GOAL IS NOT ABOUT ME. 
          IT'S THE NEXT CHAIR THAT GETS ELECTED IN JULY. 
          THEM BEING ABLE TO DO TWO YEARS. 
          IT'S NOT ABOUT ME BEING ABLE TO DO ANOTHER YEAR. 
          IT'S THEM BEING ABLE TO DO TWO YEARS THROUGH THE REST OF THE PROCESS. 
          BUT IF WE REMOVE THE SUNSET, WHICH I THINK FRANKLY MAKES SENSE AT THIS POINT, IT ALLOWS FOR DO YOU LIKE THAT CHAIR? DOES? NO ONE ELSE WANT TO DO THIS? VOTE FOR THAT CHAIR A SECOND TIME. 
          THAT'S ALL. 
          SO THIS IS, THIS IS NOT A PER A PERSONAL THING TO ME. 
          IT'S NOT WHETHER I LIKE THE CHAIR AND DON'T LIKE THE CHAIR. 
          I AGREE. 
          THE TWO YEARS MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. 
          I AGREE WITH THAT AS A POLICY. 
          I THINK WE SHOULD ELECT IT. 
          THE PROBLEM IS, IF IF YOU'RE A REAPPOINTED CHAIR, WE'RE GONNA LOSE YOU IN SIX MONTHS. 
          OH NO, NO, NO. 
          I DON'T WANT TO BE CHAIR. 
          I'M GOOD SOMEONE ELSE. 
          SO THIS IS NOT VOTING, THIS IS NOT FOR ME. 
          THIS IS FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO POTENTIALLY HAVE TWO YEARS. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          JUST TO BE CLEAR, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET ACROSS. 
          I SHOULD HAVE SAID THIS AT THIS OUTSIDE. 
          I MISUNDERSTOOD THAT. 
          YES. 
          I APOLOGIZE. 
          I DON'T HAVE A DESIRE TO BE CHAIR A SECOND TIME. 
          THIS IS TO ALLOW THAT FLEXIBILITY GOING FORWARD. 
          IS THIS ACHIEVING WHAT YOU WANNA ACHIEVE? LIKE, LIKE WE SAID, IT'S NOT ABOUT A A PERSON. 
          IT'S ABOUT, IT'S ABOUT PROVIDING THE FLEXIBILITY FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO WHEN A CHAIR'S WORKING, WHEN A CHAIR IS IN, YOU KNOW, IN A GOOD PLACE AND EFFECTIVE ON THE COMMISSION, GIVING THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE A SECOND, A SECOND TERM. 
          SO IS THERE OTHER COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION? I JUST WANTED TO PUT OUT MY POINTS. 
          THAT'S, DO WE NEED A MOTION?  I'LL MAKE THE MOTION WITH THE CHANGE THAT THE CHAIR WILL HAVE A ONE YEAR APPOINTMENT WITH THE OPTION OF A SECOND YEAR. 
          WAIT, DID I SAY THAT WRONG? WELL, DO YOU MEAN A TWO YEAR TERM OPTION OF A SECOND YEAR? 
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YEAR? IT SOUND LIKE TWO TERM WITH AN OPTION. 
          THEY DECIDE. 
          NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. 
          A ONE YEAR TERM. 
          YEAH. 
          OH WELL THAT CAN BE THE DISCUSSION. 
          A ONE YEAR TERM AND BUT THE OPTION OF A TWO YEAR TERM TO BE AN OPTION ELECT A SELECTED FOR A TWO SECOND CONSECUTIVE TERM. 
          YEAH. 
          SO ALL WE WOULD BE, I THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DO, DO WE WANNA TAKE A STRAW POLL ON DROPPING THE SUNSET CLAUSE? SURE. 
          ALL IN FAVOR OF DROPPING THE SUNSET CLAUSE. 
          SO IS THAT MOTION INCLUDE AND, AND ELIMINATING THE SUNSET CLAUSE? YES. 
          GOT IT. 
          SO AS WRITTEN MINUS THE SUNSET CLAUSE, THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTAND FOR CHAIR. 
          AND VICE CHAIR CAN BE ELECTED FOR A CONSECUTIVE TERM. 
          CORRECT. 
          I WILL SECOND IT. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S GOOD TO HAVE GOOD DISCUSSIONS. 
          , UH, COULD WE GET A ROLL CALL VOTE. 
          OH, AND BY THE WAY, I WILL BE RECUSING MYSELF 'CAUSE I THINK I JUST HAVE TO, IT DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT TO HAVE THE CHAIR VOTING ON THIS AT ALL, SO YES, IT DOES. 
          I MEAN, IT DOESN'T MATTER. 
          ELLE COMMISSIONER BOWER? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER MOSES. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER KERLAN. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER KUSON. 
          UH, ABSTAIN. 
          I THINK YOU BOTH DO HAVE TO VOTE UNLESS YOU ACCUSED YOURSELF. 
          BUT I THINK WE MISSED THAT OPPORTUNITY UP. 
          I'LL VOTE YES. 
          YEAH, THANK YOU. 
          AND I'LL VOTE YES TOO. 
          OKAY. 
          THE MO UH, MOTION'S APPROVED ALL. 
          SORRY, DID I MISS SOMEONE? ONE DOES HAVE TO VOTE YOU SAID. 
          OH, SORRY. 
          YES. 
          I THINK, YEAH, THERE CAN'T BE ANY RECUSALS OR ABSTENTIONS UNLESS YOU CUS YOURSELF AT THE VERY, VERY BEGINNING OF THE ITEM. 
          ARE YOU? YEAH. 
          SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          SEE, THIS IS WHY I CAN'T BE CHAIR A SECOND TIME. 
          , I FUMBLED THIS ENTIRELY. 
          CHAIR HOOPER. 
          UH, YES. 
          YES. 
          UH, THERE WE GO. 
          THAT'S PASSED. 
          ALRIGHT, WELL THAT WAS A GOOD FAMILY DISCUSSION. 
          . 
          I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S A GOOD CHANGE. 
          I MEAN, I THINK IN THE LONG RUN IT'S REALLY A GOOD CHANGE FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          NOW PRESSURE'S ON FOR THE AIRPORT. 
          AIRPORT COMMISSION. 
          TELL 'EM, UH, ACTUALLY I DO, THIS ISN'T AN OFFICIAL REQUEST OF ANY KIND, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO FIND OUT WHY WAS THAT RULE I INSTITUTED FOR THE AIRPORT COMMISSION? . 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I JUST, I FIND THAT FASCINATING. 
          UM, ALL RIGHT, WELL THIS, THIS WRAPS UP THE MAJORITY OF HER BUSINESS. 
          NOW 
          [COMMITTEE COMMENT]
WE'RE ON TO COMMISSION COMMENT. 
          UH, I'M GONNA START WITH OUR VICE MAYOR. 
          'CAUSE I THINK I STARTED WITH JESSICA TOO MANY TIMES TONIGHT. 
          WELL, WE DIDN'T HAVE A COUNCIL MEETING LAST NIGHT, OR, YES. 
          YEAH, YESTERDAY. 
          IT WAS GREAT. 
          UM, IT'S NICE TO HAVE TIME OFF. 
          UM, WHAT'S UP? I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY UPDATES EXCEPT THAT I WAS AT THE GIANTS GAME YESTERDAY AND THEY WON. 
          AND IT WAS A GREAT GAME. 
          AND WE TOOK THE SMART, YOU KNOW, DOWN. 
          AND THAT CONNECTION BETWEEN GETTING OFF AT SMART AND HAVING TO GET TO THE FERRY THAT IS REALLY A LONG JAUNT. 
          I HAD NO IDEA HOW LONG IT WAS, BUT GROWING ON THE FERRY WAS GREAT. 
          AND WE DIDN'T GET THE FERRY THAT WENT TO THE BALL GAME. 
          SO THEN WE  HAD TO WALK TO THE BALL GAME, BUT WE ENDED UP ON TRANSIT, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC TRANSIT TO GET THERE. 
          AND ON THE WAY BACK WE, UH, WALKED THE WAY. 
          SO IT WAS A LOT OF EXERCISE, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS A GREAT GAME. 
          AND YESTERDAY WAS A MEMORIAL DAY, AND IT'S THE FIRST TIME THAT I HAVE MISSED, UM, GOING TO THE CYPRESS HILL IN PROBABLY 20 YEARS. 
          I, I ALWAYS MAKE SURE THAT I GO EVERY YEAR BECAUSE, UM, IT'S IMPORTANT. 
          AND, AND I, LIKE, I I WILL SAY IS WHEN I'M THERE, WHAT I REALLY MISS ARE THE PEOPLE THAT AREN'T THERE. 
          LIKE MY DAD AND SO MANY OTHER PEOPLE, JACK CROWD AND JOHN CHENEY. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD JUST GO ON AND ON ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE OF OUR COMMUNITY THAT ARE NO LONGER WITH US. 
          AND, UM, BUT THEY WERE REALLY IMPORTANT PARTS OF OUR COMMUNITY AS FAR AS THEIR SERVICE AND SERVICE, NOT JUST IN THE MILITARY, BUT SERVICE IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          AND SO IT'S, UM, I ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO CONSIDER GOING AND SEEING THE CEREMONY AND, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT REALLY A LOVE, LOVE OF WAR BY ANY MEANS OR, BUT I REALLY THINK THAT, UM, PEOPLE DESERVE RESPECT AND BE HONORED WHEN THEY, UM, SERVE OUR COUNTRY. 
          AND PEOPLE SERVE IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS. 
          BUT WHEN YOU'RE IN THE MILITARY, IT'S KIND OF A DIFFERENT BALL GAME. 
          AND SO I JUST WANT TO, UM, TO SAY THAT I WAS REALLY SAD THAT I WASN'T THERE YESTERDAY, BUT THE GAME WAS FANTASTIC AND THE TRANSPORTATION WAS TOO. 
          AND WHEN WE WERE TALKING 
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TONIGHT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE GENERAL PLAN, YOU KNOW, IT REALLY CONNECTED WITH HOW IMPORTANT THAT SMART TRAIN IS FOR SONOMA COUNTY. 
          I MEAN, IT'S, THAT IS REALLY THE ECONOMIC ENGINE FOR THIS COUNTY BEING ABLE TO GET SOMEDAY FROM CLOVERDALE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE WAY INTO MARIN COUNTY. 
          AND IT REALLY IS AN ECONOMIC ENGINE. 
          AND SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE GENERAL PLAN, I REALLY LOOK AT IT THROUGH THAT LENS ALSO, UM, OF THE IMPORTANCE THAT WE HAVE THIS, UM, REALLY A JEWEL. 
          AND I'M HOPING THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE, UM, UP THE SALES TAX SO IT CAN GO ON, YOU KNOW, IN PERPETUITY SOMEDAY. 
          JUST KEEP IT AS A PERPETUITY TAX INSTEAD OF HAVING TO RE-UP IT EVERY X AMOUNT OF YEARS. 
          'CAUSE THAT IS THE ECONOMIC ENGINE FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY. 
          DEREK WAS REALLY A GREAT CHAIR, BY THE WAY. 
          HE REALLY HAD, UM, UM, OH GOD, I FORGOT YOUR NAME. 
          UH, ROGER AND I , YOU KNOW, I MEAN, HE REALLY PULLED THIS TOGETHER AND IT WAS REALLY, UM, A GOOD PROCESS. 
          AND SO I THINK IT WAS REALLY INVALUABLE TO, UM, TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, HAD, UM, COMMISSION, THE COMMISSIONERS WORKED TOGETHER, SO IT WORKED OUT PRETTY WELL. 
          UH, NO UPDATES. 
          NO UPDATES, NO, NO MESSAGE. 
          UM, THERE IS A COFIELD BRIDGE, CROSSTOWN CONNECTOR PROJECT NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING ON THE 30TH THAT AS SOMEONE EXCITED ABOUT THE COFIELD CONNECTOR, I'M, I'M HOPING TO GO TO, UM, AND STAFF MIGHT BE ECHOING THIS, BUT APPLICATIONS ARE OPEN, UM, TILL JUNE 7TH. 
          SO TELL YOUR FRIENDS TO SIGN UP FOR THIS FUN TIME. 
          UM, AND, UH, YEAH, SOME NICE PROFILES GOING ON, UH, THOUGH I WILL JUST WITH CITI HERE, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE HAS BEEN SOME CHATTER ON SOCIAL MEDIA ASKING ABOUT THE ANIMAL ADVISORY BOARD, WHETHER THAT'S A THING ANYMORE, WHICH, UH, IT WOULD JUST BE NICE IF SOMEONE IN CITI SOCIAL MEDIA COULD RESPOND TO THAT. 
          YEAH, I'M PRETTY POSITIVE. 
          THE ANIMAL ADVISORY BOARD, WE DISBANDED THAT TWO YEARS AGO, SO YEAH. 
          ONE TO TWO YEARS AGO. 
          YEAH. 
          IF IT, IF AN OFFICIAL, YEAH. 
          THANKS, . 
          AND WITH 
          [STAFF COMMENT]
THAT, WE HAVE OUR STAFF REPORT. 
          UH, SO I WANNA TAKE A FEW MINUTES, UM, TO WRAP UP THIS MEETING TO, UM, EXPRESS GRATITUDE, UM, TO HEIDI BAUER. 
          UH, THIS IS HEIDI'S LAST MEETING. 
          UM, SO WE HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPRECIATION FOR YOU, UM, AND REALLY WANT TO KIND OF HIGHLIGHT, YOU KNOW, HEIDI, UM, AS YOU ALL PROBABLY RECOGNIZE, BUT IT'S GOOD TO NAME IT VERY CALMING, UH, PERSONA ON, ON THE COMMISSION. 
          YOU, UM, TREAT EVERYONE WHO COMES BEFORE THIS COMMISSION AND YOUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF WITH, WITH RESPECT. 
          UM, VERY MUCH APPRECIATED. 
          UM, YOU ALSO BRING, UM, EXPERTISE THAT ARE VERY HELPFUL, UM, ON, ON THIS COMMISSION AND ARE VERY RELEVANT TO MANY OF THE PROJECTS THAT COME BEFORE, UM, THIS COMMISSION AS WELL AS YOUR FAMILIARITY WITH THE REGULATORY, UM, REGULATORY BODIES PROCESS. 
          UM, SO THAT HAS BEEN A REALLY, UM, HELPFUL AND, UM, INFLUENTIAL, I THINK TO YOUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AS WELL, UM, TO SOMETIMES BRING THINGS UP THAT PEOPLE HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT, UH, AND THE IMPACT THEY'VE HAD ON PROJECTS. 
          SO BRINGING UP SOLUTIONS, DESIGN SOLUTIONS, UM, IDEAS FOR SWITCHING THINGS AROUND TO BETTER ADDRESS, UM, ONE OF, ONE OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS OF A PROJECT. 
          UM, SO, UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE ON THIS COMMISSION. 
          YOU WILL BE MISSED. 
          UM, YOU WILL NOT BE AN EASY REPLACEMENT. 
          UM, AND, AND WE REALLY HAVE APPRECIATED WORKING WITH YOU. 
          SO I THINK BLAKE WAS GOING TO PRESENT YOU WITH YOUR CERTIFICATE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH MORE THAN THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, HEATHER. 
          UH, THAT WAS REALLY NICE AND I DIDN'T REALLY LIKE FULLY, UM, GET THE GRAVITY OF THIS UNTIL LIKE, RIGHT NOW, AND YOU JUST SAYING THIS, AND I'M REALLY, REALLY, REALLY LEAVING , YOU KNOW, 
          [04:30:01]
I SAID I WAS, BUT NOW THAT YOU SAY IT, IT SEEMS REAL  . 
          UM, YEAH, IT'S BEEN SEVEN YEARS AND, UM, YEAH, THERE'S JUST SOME THINGS GOING ON THROUGH MY LIFE THAT I NEED TO STEP DOWN NOW. 
          BUT, UM, YEAH, IT'S, THIS IS, BEING ON THIS COMMISSION HAS BEEN SUCH A MONUMENTAL, UH, EXPERIENCE IN MY LIFE AND JUST, UM, CONTRIBUTING TO THE CITY IN THIS WAY AND JUST, UM, UH, MAKING THESE AMAZING CONNECTIONS WITH PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY AND MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. 
          AND, UM, IT'S JUST BEEN A REALLY, UM, AMAZING EXPERIENCE. 
          AND, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M GONNA DO WITH MY WEEKENDS ANYMORE, . 
          UM, BUT NOW, UH, KIDDING ASIDE THAT THIS, IT'S GONNA LEAVE A REAL BIG HOLE IN MY HEART. 
          UM, I'M JUST GONNA, I KNOW I'M GONNA BE WONDERING WHAT YOU GUYS ARE UP TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          I, I MIGHT TUNE IN ON OCCASION, MAYBE NOT ALL THE TIME, BUT  YOU'LL ALWAYS BE HERE FOR ME TO, TO WATCH AND, UM, MAYBE COME AND VISIT EVERY, EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE. 
          BUT, UM, I'LL MISS YOU ALL AND, UM, JUST, YOU KNOW, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I JUST WANNA KNOW, YOU KNOW, I'VE WORKED WITH, UM, THE PLANNING STAFF AND, UM, OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND OUR CITY STAFF, AND EVERYBODY HAS REALLY ONLY GOT, UH, THE INTEREST OF THE CITY AT HEART. 
          AND I KNOW THAT BECAUSE I'VE WORKED WITH THEM, YOU KNOW, FROM THIS SIDE AND THEN FROM THAT SIDE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY REALLY, PEOPLE REALLY DO TRULY LOVE THIS CITY. 
          AND WHETHER YOU GET PAID TO LOVE THIS CITY, YOU OR YOU DON'T, YOU STILL LOVE THIS CITY. 
          SO, AND I KNOW EVERYBODY JUST WANTS WHAT'S BEST. 
          SO, UM, JUST, YOU KNOW, WE COULD KNOW THAT OF EACH OTHER, YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW ALL THE HARD WORK THAT GETS PUT IN, THERE'S NOBODY REALLY THAT'S WORKING 40 HOURS A WEEK, AND I THINK EVERYBODY IS PUTTING IN WAY MORE HOURS THAN THAT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, JUST TO BE KIND TO EACH OTHER AND RESPECT PEOPLE AND KNOW THAT, UM, PEOPLE ARE HERE FOR THE VERY BEST REASONS. 
          SO, UM, AND YOU ALL AS COMMISSIONERS PUT SO MUCH TIME INTO, YOU KNOW, ON YOUR OWN TIME. 
          SO I APPRECIATE YOU ALL AND HOPEFULLY GOOD COMMISSIONERS WILL COME AFTER ME. 
          SO THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. 
          I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE FOR YOU AND WITH YOU . 
          THANK YOU, HEIDI. 
          SO I ALSO, UM, UNFORTUNATELY, UM, COMMISSIONER WISHMAN IS NOT HERE, BUT IT IS ALSO, THIS WAS TO BE HIS LAST MEETING. 
          UM, HE HAS STEPPED DOWN. 
          UM, SO RICK, IF YOU'RE WATCHING OR YOU'RE OUT THERE, UH, WE ALSO HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPRECIATION FOR YOU AND REALLY WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE ON THE COMMISSION. 
          UH, RICK IS ALWAYS, HAS VERY THOUGHTFUL QUESTIONS, KNOWLEDGEABLE OBSERVATIONS ABOUT PROJECTS AS AS WE ARE REVIEWING THEM. 
          NOT ONE TO SPEAK, JUST TO HEAR HIM HIMSELF SPEAK, BUT ALWAYS BRINGING, YOU KNOW, A, A JEWEL OF, OF INSIGHT, UM, TO THE DISCUSSION ESPECIALLY. 
          UM, HIS, HIS COMMENTS RELATED TO EV CHARGING SOLAR GENERATION, UM, YOU KNOW, ARE, ARE TWO THINGS THAT HE OFTEN BROUGHT, BROUGHT TO THE TABLE FOR, UM, TO HIGHLIGHT. 
          SO WISHING HIM WELL IN HIS NEW CAREER OPPORTUNITIES AND, UM, WE WILL MISS HIM ON THIS COMMISSION. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER THING I HAVE IS JUST WE WILL SEE, UM, ALL OF YOU ON JUNE 11TH FOR MM-HMM, , UM, ANOTHER ROUND OF GENERAL PLAN FUND. 
          UM, SO THANK YOU FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, PUTTING IN THESE EXTRA MEETINGS, UH, IN MAY AND JUNE. 
          WE APPRECIATE YOUR, UM, YOUR WORK AND YOUR REVIEW OF THE FRAMEWORKS AND YOUR FEEDBACK. 
          UM, GREATLY APPRECIATED. 
          AND YOU WILL FORTUNATELY HAVE ANDREW BACK AND I WILL . 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          OH, I MIGHT BE HERE ON THE OTHER SIDE. 
          YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT,  TRYING TO ESCAPE WELL WITH THAT, EVERYONE, GOOD NIGHT.
* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.