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[CALL TO ORDER]
AFTERNOON EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO THE MAY 7TH, 2024 REGULAR MEETING OF THE HISTORIC AND CULTURAL PRESERVATION COMMITTEE FOR CITY OF PETALUMA.UH, THE MEETING'S NOW HEREBY CALLED TO ORDER.
CAN WE GET A ROLL CALL COMMITTEE MEMBER PERLIS HERE.
COMMITTEE MEMBER OF PENGA HERE.
[GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT]
WE'LL MOVE ON TO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.UM, DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, WE RECEIVE COMMENTS ON ITEMS WITHIN OUR PURVIEW THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA.
UM, IF ANYBODY WOULD WISH TO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE BRING A SPEAKER CARD TO THE CLERK.
DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? WE HAVE NO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
AND WE, WE RECEIVED NO JOURNAL PUBLIC COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
WE, WE DID GET, WE GOT A ONE IN THE PACKET, RIGHT? THERE WAS PUBLIC COMMENT SUBMITTED.
WE RECEIVED ONE PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, SEEING NONE, THAT WILL WE'LL CLOSE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE HAVE NO PRESENTATIONS TODAY, SO WE'LL CLOSE THAT ITEM FOR PRESENTATIONS AND MOVE ON TO MEETING
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
ITEM ONE, WHICH IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR THE MEETING OF OCTOBER 3RD, 2023.UM, DOES ANY, DO ANY COMMITTEE MEMBERS HAVE ANY EDITS OR CHANGES OR UPDATES THEY'D LIKE TO MAKE? OKAY.
SEEING NONE, UM, DO WE NEED A, A ROLL CALL? VOTE FOR APPROVAL ON THAT.
DOES SOMEBODY WISH TO MOVE APPROVAL? I MOVE MEMBER WHITNEY.
WE GOT TWO SECONDS FROM COMMITTEE MEMBERS, PIT, GARROW, AND PERLIS.
UH, ALL IN FAVOR? CAN WE GO AHEAD? BUT, BUT, UH, OH, WE GOTTA GO.
UH, COMMITTEE MEMBER PERLIS AYE.
COMMITTEE MEMBER PIT GARROW AYE.
SEE, WE HAVEN'T BEEN UP HERE FOR IN A WHILE.
I FORGOT THE, UH, PROTOCOLS FOR THAT.
[PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION]
HAVE, UH, MEETING ITEM TWO, WHICH IS A STUDY SESSION, UH, TO RECEIVE A PRESENTATION AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK RELATED TO THE DRAFT HISTORIC RESOURCES POLICY FRAMEWORK AS PART OF THE FOUNDATIONAL WORK ON THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE.NO DECISION OR ACTION WILL BE, WILL OCCUR, UM, AND NO EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS NEED TO BE MADE.
UM, SO I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE CHRISTINA PAUL, GENERAL PLAN PROJECT MANAGER FOR A PRESENTATION.
CHRISTINA, GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
IT'S NICE TO BE HERE WITH YOU THIS AFTERNOON.
I ALSO WANT TO NOTE THAT ON ZOOM, WE'RE JOINED BY RON WHITMORE, WHO IS OUR PROJECT MANAGER.
HE'S AN INVISIBLE BOX UP THERE.
UM,
UM, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE RUTH TODD AND HANNAH SIMONSON FROM PAIGE AND TURNBULL.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE THEM APPEAR AND THEY WILL BE SPEAKING TO US AND AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AS WELL.
UH, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE WITH YOU.
RON IS DRIVING THE, UM, THE POWERPOINT.
RON, I'M JUST GONNA KEEP GOING AND WE'LL PSYCHICALLY COMMUNICATE ABOUT ONE TO FORWARD SLIDES.
UM, AND I'LL ASK YOU TO GO BACK IF IT'S NOT QUITE RIGHT.
SO I'M GOING TO BRIEFLY CHECK IN ON WHAT THE PURPOSE OF A GENERAL PLAN IS.
WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN WORKING ON THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE FOR A WHILE, BUT WE HAVEN'T BEEN WITH HCPC FOR A LITTLE BIT.
UH, THE GENERAL PLAN IS A HIGH LEVEL POLICY DOCUMENT THAT DRIVES A LOT OF WHAT THE CITY DOES.
THEY ARE ESSENTIALLY 20 YEAR VISIONS FOR THE CITY.
AND THEY ALSO INCLUDE POLICIES ON A WIDE RANGE OF TOPICS, UH, INCLUDING HISTORIC RESOURCES AND MANY OTHERS.
UH, WE WORK TO PRESERVE AND ENHANCE THE COMMUNITY STRENGTHS AND ASSETS, ADDRESS TOPICS OF CONCERN, UH, AND THEN ALSO PUT FORTH PLANS FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AND FUTURE LAND USE DECISIONS, UH, WHICH ARE SOME OF THE MOST PRECISE PARTS OF THE GENERAL PLAN.
THERE ARE QUITE A FEW WAYS THAT THE GENERAL PLAN ACTUALLY DOES IMPACT THE DAY-TO-DAY LIFE OF
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FOLKS IN PETALUMA.YOU WILL HAVE NOTICED WITH THE 13 COMING ON 14 POLICY FRAMEWORKS THAT WE'VE PUT OUT SO FAR THAT WE'RE COVERING QUITE A FEW TOPICS.
UM, I WILL SAVE YOU FROM LISTENING TO ME READ THIS TO YOU, UM, THIS SLIDE.
BUT WE ARE COVERING EVERYTHING FROM HISTORIC RESOURCES TO GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTION, HAZARD MITIGATION AND ADAPTATION, COMMUNITY CHARACTER, UH, PARTICIPATION IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT, COMMUNITY HEALTH, AND ET CETERA.
UH, WE'RE GOING TO BE FOCUSING ON HISTORIC RESOURCES TODAY, BUT YOU'RE VERY WELCOME TO COMMENT ON ANY OF THESE, UM, AS PART OF OUR COMMENT PROCESS OR AT GENERAL PLAN FEST, UH, WHICH IS HAPPENING THIS SATURDAY.
AND WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
PETALUMA GENERAL PLAN UPDATE WAS TRIGGERED BECAUSE FOLKS FELT THAT THE EXISTING GENERAL PLAN, WHICH SAYS 2025 ON IT, UH, WAS BEGINNING TO GET A LITTLE BIT DATED.
GENERAL PLANS DON'T EXPIRE, UH, BUT 2025 WAS THE PLANNING HORIZON AND IT BEGAN TO FEEL LIKE TIME TO UPDATE THIS PLAN, WHICH WE INITIATED INTERNALLY IN 2020.
WE BROUGHT OUR TEAM OF CONSULTANTS AND THE GPAC ON IN 2021.
UM, AND WE ARE CONCURRENTLY DEVELOPING THE BLUEPRINT FOR CLIMATE NEUTRALITY OR BLUEPRINT FOR CARBON NEUTRALITY.
I ALWAYS CALL IT CLIMATE NEUTRALITY, UM, AS WELL AS THE HOUSING ELEMENT THAT WAS COMPLETED IN MARCH OF LAST YEAR.
THIS IS OUR ROADMAP FOR THE GENERAL PLAN.
IT'S GETTING MORE AND MORE COMPLICATED AS WE GO AND ADD LITTLE PIECES THAT WE WANT TO INCLUDE.
SO YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'VE MOVED FROM DISCOVERY THROUGH VISIONING EXISTING CONDITIONS REPORTS.
NOW WE'RE IN BETWEEN THE POLICY DEVELOPMENT AND ALTERNATIVES.
SO LAND USE ALTERNATIVES PHASE OF THIS PLAN.
UH, WE'VE DEVELOPED THE HOUSING ELEMENT, THE PUBLIC DRAFT FOR THE BLUEPRINT IS BEEN OUT FOR A LITTLE WHILE.
UM, AND THEN WE WILL BE DOING A ZONING CODE UPDATE WHEN WE GET A LITTLE BIT FARTHER AND HAVE A PREFERRED LAND USE ALTERNATIVE IDENTIFIED.
I AM GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO RON.
THANK YOU CHRISTINA, AND GOOD AFTERNOON COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE CITY AND ALSO FOR MAKING TIME ON YOUR, UH, MEETING SCHEDULE AND AGENDA FOR THIS IMPORTANT TOPIC.
UM, I'M GONNA SAY A BIT ABOUT, A BIT MORE ABOUT POLICY FRAMEWORKS SPECIFICALLY AND THEN TURN IT OVER TO OUR, UM, TEAM FROM PAIGE AND TURNBULL, WHO ARE THE SPECIALISTS ON HISTORIC RESOURCES SPECIFICALLY, AND WHO WERE THE LEAD AUTHORS ON THE HISTORIC RESOURCES POLICY FRAMEWORK.
UM, JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PURPOSE OF POLICY FRAMEWORKS.
UM, WE FOUND THAT THERE'S A LITTLE CONFUSION IN SOME CASES, SOME PEOPLE THINKING THIS IS THE INITIAL DRAFT OF THE GENERAL PLAN, WHICH IT IS NOT.
THIS IS REALLY AN INTERIM STEP IN THE PLANNING PROCESS.
UM, UM, REFERRING BACK OR THINKING BACK TO THE ROADMAP THAT CHRISTINA JUST EXPLAINED, IT'S AN EARLY STEP WHERE WE REALLY WANNA GET ON PAPER INITIAL GOAL AND POLICY IDEAS, GET THOSE REVISED OR CONFIRMED, AND THEN THEM, THEN THEY, ALONG WITH THE LAND USE, UM, PREFERRED LAND USE SETTLEMENT PATTERN MAP THAT WE ARE ALSO WORKING ON, BECOME THE FOUNDATION FOR THE, UM, DRAFT GENERAL PLAN, WHICH WILL COME AT A LATER STEP.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT'S HELPFUL TO CONFIRM AT THIS POINT IS WHAT WE MEAN BY THESE DIFFERENT TERMS. THERE'S SOMETIMES SOME CONFUSION ABOUT WHAT A GOAL IS RELATIVE TO AN OBJECTIVE AND WHAT POLICIES REALLY MEAN RELATIVE TO ACTIONS.
AND SO, UM, JUST WANNA BE CLEAR THAT WITH GOALS WE'RE REALLY DESCRIBING ELEMENTS OF THE FUTURE.
THEY, THEY'RE REALLY EXPRESSIONS OF PREFERRED FUTURE OUTCOMES.
SO THEY DESCRIBE A STATE SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE.
THERE IN THAT RESPECT, CAN, CAN BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF A VISION STATEMENT.
POLICIES IN CONTRAST ARE DESIGNED TO BE, THEY START WITH A VERB TYPICALLY AND ARE DESIGNED TO BE A CLEAR STATEMENT OF INTENT OR DIRECTION, UM, STATEMENTS AGAINST WHICH FUTURE DECISION MAKERS CAN, UM, CAN MAKE DECISIONS TO GUIDE FUTURE ACTIONS, BUDGET ALLOCATIONS, ET CETERA.
AND THEN THE THIRD LEVEL REALLY IS ACTIONS, WHICH ARE DESIGNED TO BE, UM, VERY SPECIFIC EITHER ACTIVITIES, PROCEDURES, PROGRAMS, OR PROJECTS THAT ARE NEEDED TO BE UNDERTAKEN TO, UM, IMPLEMENT A POLICY IN THE, AND TO ULTIMATELY ACHIEVE A GOAL.
AND ONE OTHER QUICK NOTE HERE, UM, WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF HELPFUL FEEDBACK ABOUT HOW DRY MANY OF THESE POLICY FRAMEWORKS ARE.
AND WE ADMIT THEY ARE IN PART BECAUSE THEY ARE THIS INTERIM STEP WHERE WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO BE VERY TECHNICAL IN OUR APPROACH AND IN COLLABORATION WITH THE COMMUNITY, THE GPAC CITY STAFF IN MAKING
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SURE WE GET THE LANGUAGE FOUNDATIONALLY RIGHT.AND SO WE DIDN'T PUT EFFORT AT THIS POINT INTO, UM, LIFTING THESE UP, FRAMING THEM, UM, A LOT OF GRAPHICS AND IMAGES AND SUPPORT.
'CAUSE WE REALLY ARE VERY MUCH FOCUSED ON THE TECHNICAL LANGUAGE OF THE GOLDEN POLICIES.
SO WE APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE AS WE WORK THROUGH THIS INTERIM STEP ON OUR WAY TO PREPARING THE INITIAL DRAFTS OF THE GENERAL PLAN.
I DO WANNA STRESS TOO, THAT A TON OF EFFORT HAS GONE INTO THESE.
THEY'RE VERY MUCH, UM, BASED ON MANY OF THE STEPS THAT CHRISTINA OUTLINED EARLIER, INCLUDING THE EXTENSIVE EXISTING CONDITIONS REPORTS, ONE OF WHICH FOCUSED SPECIFICALLY ON HISTORIC RESOURCES, A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF COMMUNITY INPUT WE GOT EARLY ON, ALL OF WHICH WAS USED TO DEVELOP CLEAR VISION STATEMENTS, UM, FOUNDATIONAL PILLARS AND GUIDING, GUIDING PRINCIPLES, WHICH WERE DEVELOPED BY THE GPAC.
AND, UM, ENDORSED BY THE CITY COUNCIL BACK IN 2022.
AND THEN FROM THERE, STARTING THAT SUMMER, WE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH CITY STAFF, UM, GPAC MEMBERS, MEMBERS OF OUR, UH, TECHNICAL EXPERTS FROM OUR CONSULTING TEAM TO BEGIN DEVELOPING STRATEGIES.
THOSE WERE THEN CAPTURED IN AN INITIAL DRAFT OF THE POLICY FRAMEWORKS.
THOSE THEN WENT UNDER VERY COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW BY CITY STAFF.
AND SO WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU AS A REFLECTION OF ALL THAT WORK, UM, INCORPORATING MANY DIFFERENT IMPORTANT PERSPECTIVES, COMMUNITY, THIRD PARTY CONSULTANT AND GROUNDED CITY STAFF PERSPECTIVES.
CHRISTINA ALREADY TOUCHED ON THIS, BUT THERE ARE A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT FRAMEWORKS.
ONE THAT I LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT IS THE GOVERNANCE AND IMPLEMENTATION FRAMEWORK.
UM, IT'S NOT TOPICAL IN THE SENSE THAT OTHERS FOCUS ON THIS, UH, OTHER DISTINCT ASPECTS OF THE COMMUNITY.
UM, IT IN, IN CONTRAST FOCUSES VERY, VERY MUCH ON HOW THE GENERAL PLAN WILL BE IMPLEMENTED.
AND WE INCLUDED THAT IN PART 'CAUSE A LOT OF THE FEEDBACK WE HEARD ABOUT THE CURRENT GENERAL PLAN IS THAT IT'S A REALLY GOOD PLAN, BUT THE CITY HASN'T BEEN AS SUCCESS SUCCESSFUL THAT IT HOPED IT IMPLEMENTING IT.
AND SO WE THOUGHT, UH, UH, UH, A FRAMEWORK AT THIS POINT IS MERITED TO FOCUS SPECIFICALLY ON, ON THAT ASPECT OF IT.
SO IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN THAT SIDE OF COMMUNITY PLANNING, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK AT THAT FRAMEWORK AS WELL.
ONE OTHER QUICK NOTE HERE IS WE DO NOT NECESSARILY ASSUME THAT THE GENERAL PLAN DRAFT WILL BE ORGANIZED IN THE SAME WAY AS THESE FRAMEWORKS.
WE WANTED TO ALLOW CITY STAFF AND THE CONSULTANT TEAM AT THIS POINT TO KIND OF STAY IN THEIR LANE AND VERY MUCH FOCUS ON THEIR AREAS OF EXPERTISE.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, WE EXPECT FULLY THAT THE GENERAL PLAN AND ITS INITIAL DRAFTS WILL BE ORGANIZED DIFFERENTLY.
SOMETIMES COMBINING TOPICS, SOMETIMES TAKING, UM, SUBTOPICS OUT OF CERTAIN FRAMEWORKS AND HAVING THEM STANDALONE, UM, HAVING SEVERAL THEMES RUN THROUGHOUT THE GENERAL PLAN.
AND SO THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY HOW THE DRAFT GP WILL BE ORGANIZED TO THAT POINT.
THAT GENERAL PLAN WILL LOOK VERY DIFFERENT.
IT WILL BEGIN WITH A VERY COMPELLING, HOLISTIC, INTEGRATED STRATEGIC APPROACH TO THE FUTURE OF THE CITY.
UM, BE ORGANIZED VERY DIFFERENTLY, CERTAINLY BY ELEMENT FOR STATE LAW, BUT ALSO VERY THEMATICALLY.
AND WE ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S ACCESSIBLE FOR DIFFERENT CITY DEPARTMENTS, DIVISIONS, AND AGENCIES, SO THAT IT'S VERY IMPLEMENTABLE.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE A DIGITAL PLAN TO MAKE IT VERY ACCESSIBLE, UH, THROUGH AN ONLINE DYNAMIC FORMAT.
AND OBVIOUSLY HAVE A VERY STRONG EMPHASIS ON IMPLEMENTATION, UM, INCLUDING BOTH AN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN AND PERFORMANCE METRICS DESIGNED TO TRACK, EXCUSE ME, HOW SUCCESSFUL THE CITY IS IN ACTUALLY ACHIEVING ITS VISION AND ITS GOALS.
I BELIEVE YOU'VE ALREADY RECEIVED INFORMATION ABOUT THE DIFFERENT WAYS YOU CAN LEARN MORE ABOUT FRAMEWORKS AND HOW TO PROVIDE INPUT.
THIS FORM, UM, ON THE SCREEN SHOULD LOOK FAMILIAR.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE FOLKS WHO'VE ALREADY COMPLETED IT AND SUBMITTED THEIR COMMENTS SO THAT WE CAN CONSOLIDATE ALL COMMENTS.
WE DO ASK THAT IF YOU'RE GONNA COMPLETE THE FORM AND PROVIDE YOUR FEEDBACK THAT YOU DO SO BY JUNE 7TH, BECAUSE WE'D LIKE TO BRING ALL THAT INPUT TOGETHER IN PREPARATION FOR THE GPAC RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, TO BE MADE LATER IN THE MONTH OF JUNE.
AND THEN, UM, JUST ALSO WANNA NOTE THAT IN ADDITION TO THIS MEETING, THERE'S SEVERAL MORE COMMISSION COMMITTEE AND BOARD MEETINGS SCHEDULED COMING UP.
SO IF YOU HAVE INTEREST, INTEREST IN OTHER TOPICS, UM, YOU'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR PRESENTATIONS ABOUT OTHER FRAMEWORKS.
AND THEN ALSO, UM, WELL ACTUALLY I'LL SAY A BIT MORE ABOUT THE PLAN FEST IN JUST A MINUTE.
UM, BUT ONLINE ALSO, THERE IS A ONLINE FORM YOU CAN FILL OUT TO PROVIDE GOAL AND POLICY SPECIFIC INPUT, AS WELL AS GENERAL
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COMMENTS ON ANY OF THE FRAMEWORKS.THE WEBSITE ALSO HAS LINKS TO ALL THE FRAMEWORKS, UM, LINKS AND, AND AFTER THE WORKSHOP THIS WEEKEND, WE'LL INCLUDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION INCLUDING COPIES OF THE BOARDS, I BELIEVE, FOR THE STATIONS AT THE WORKSHOP.
AND THAT'S THE URL FOR THE FEEDBACK FORM.
AND SPEAKING OF THE PLAN FEST THIS WEEKEND, UM, WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS BIG COMMUNITY EVENT.
PEOPLE CAN STOP BY ANYTIME BETWEEN 9:00 AM AND 2:00 PM AT THE FAIRGROUNDS.
THERE'LL BE KIDS ACTIVITIES, ANIMALS, FIRE TRUCKS, UM, AND ALL KINDS OF, UH, ACTIVITIES FOR PEOPLE OF ALL AGES, PRIZES, FOOD, FOOD TRUCKS, UM, AND PERHAPS, UH, MOST IMPORTANTLY,
SO PLEASE COME, PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD AND ENCOURAGE YOUR FRIENDS TO COME.
UM, IT'S ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO, TO KIND OF GET YOUR HEAD AROUND EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THESE FRAMEWORKS, UM, AND SHARE ANY INPUT INPUT YOU HAVE AT THIS POINT.
I AM GONNA TURN IT OVER TO OUR FRIENDS FROM PAIGE AND TURNBULL, WHO ARE GONNA GIVE YOU A BRI VERY BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE POLICY FRAMEWORK.
CHANCES ARE MOST OF YOU HAVE TAKEN A CLOSE LOOK AT IT ALREADY.
THIS IS REALLY FOR THE BENEFIT OF ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT MAY HERE OR MAYBE WATCHING VIDEOS OF THE MEETING LATER.
BUT WE DO WANNA VERY QUICKLY THEN GET TO, UM, DISCUSSION AND QUESTIONS SO THAT WE CAN ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AND, AND GET YOUR INITIAL FEEDBACK ON THE FRAMEWORK.
UM, I'M HANNAH SIMONSON FROM PAGE AND TURNBULL.
WE'RE A GROUP OF PRESERVATION ARCHITECTS AND, UH, ARCHITECTURAL HISTORIANS AND HAVE BEEN, UH, REALLY EXCITED TO BE INVOLVED WITH THIS PROJECT TO DATE.
AS RON AND CHRISTINA BOTH OUTLINED, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF RESEARCH AND ENGAGEMENT AND DISCUSSIONS THAT HAVE GONE INTO GETTING US TO, UM, THIS POINT.
AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE INPUT THAT WE'VE HEARD SO FAR.
PETALUMA IS REALLY QUITE SPECIAL WE'VE FOUND IN HOW MUCH, UM, PEOPLE ARE INVESTED IN HISTORIC RESOURCES AND THE CHARACTER OF PETALUMA.
AND WE'VE REALLY HEARD THAT ALREADY IN THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC, UM, FROM, FROM THIS GROUP AND, UH, FROM THE STAFF.
SO YOU PROBABLY REMEMBER THAT WE PROVIDED A, UM, EXISTING CONDITIONS REPORT, UM, PREVIOUSLY.
THAT DOCUMENT HAS A LOT OF REALLY GREAT INFORMATION.
UM, I'M JUST GONNA GO OVER JUST, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF IT.
AS YOU KNOW, PETALUMA HAS A REALLY UNIQUE AND DENSE CONCENTRATION OF HIGH QUALITY AND INTACT, UM, RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, AND IN INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS, UM, BOTH IN ITS HISTORIC CORE AND THROUGHOUT THE CITY, UM, THAT REALLY GIVE IT ITS DISTINCTIVE CHARACTER.
AND WE REALLY THINK THAT PETALUMA IS, YOU KNOW, AMONG THE TOP TIER OF CALIFORNIA CITIES WITH RESPECT TO, UM, THE QUALITY OF HISTORIC RESOURCES IN THE WAY THAT PETALUMA, UM, MAINTAINS THOSE RESOURCES.
UM, TO, TO THAT END, WE RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE QUITE A FEW DESIGNATED HISTORIC RESOURCES IN PETALUMA, UM, PROPERTIES THAT ARE BOTH LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER AND CALIFORNIA REGISTER, AS WELL AS LOCALLY LISTED LANDMARKS AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
I'M SURE YOU GUYS ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THOSE.
UM, ANOTHER KIND OF INTERESTING, UM, FACT THAT CAME OUT OF THIS EXISTING CONDITIONS RESEARCH IS, UM, IN ADDITION TO THE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN IDENTIFIED AS ELIGIBLE OR LISTED, UM, AS HISTORIC RESOURCES, YOU KNOW, PROPERTIES ARE GETTING OLDER EVERY YEAR.
AND SO THIS QUESTION OF AGE ELIGIBILITY IS A, A MOVING TARGET.
UM, SO BASED ON OUR ANALYSIS OF THE YEAR OF CONSTRUCTION OF PROPERTIES IN PETALUMA, THERE'S SOME 40% OF PROPERTIES CITYWIDE THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED AGE ELIGIBLE AS POTENTIAL HISTORIC RESOURCES, UM, TODAY.
AND THAT NUMBER INCREASES IN THE FUTURE.
THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT ANYTHING THAT IS 45 YEARS OR OLDER IS HISTORIC, BUT IT IS TO SAY THAT THERE'S, UM, THERE'S A LOT MORE OUT THERE, UM, THAT PERHAPS WARRANTS, UH, A CLOSER LOOK SINCE EARLIER SURVEYS AND DESIGNATIONS MANY YEARS AGO.
UM, AND ZOOMING IN A LITTLE BIT, WE, WE ALSO HAVE, UH, NOTED THAT THERE ARE QUITE A FEW AGE ELIGIBLE PROPERTIES, UM, AROUND EXISTING HISTORIC
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DISTRICTS.UM, AND AROUND THE HISTORIC CORE, THERE'S BEEN IDENTIFICATION OF SEVERAL POTENTIAL ELIGIBLE DISTRICTS INCLUDING, UM, A WAREHOUSE DISTRICT ALONG THE WATERFRONT AND ALONG D STREET.
UM, AND THERE IS SOME POTENTIAL THAT THERE ARE HISTORIC PROPERTIES THAT COULD CONTRIBUTE TO OTHER NEW DISTRICTS OR EXPANDED DISTRICTS.
UM, ALL KIND OF CONTRIBUTING TO THE, THE CHARACTER OF PETALUMA.
UM, SO KIND OF SHIFTING INTO HOW THIS AFFECTS THE, THE GENERAL PLAN, AS RON NOTED, THESE, UM, VISIONS, PILLARS, AND GUIDING PRINCIPLES HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED, UM, BY, UH, THE COMMUNITY.
THESE WERE THE PRODUCTS OF A LOT OF COMMUNITY INPUT AND DURING A VISIONING PHASE, AND WE JUST PULLED OUT THE COUPLE OF VISIONS, PILLARS AND GUIDING PRINCIPLES FROM, FROM THAT, UM, LARGER FRAMEWORK THAT REALLY TIE DIRECTLY TO, UM, HISTORIC RESOURCES AND CHARACTER AND PETALUMA.
SO THERE WERE QUITE A FEW OF THESE THAT CONNECT TO THIS, WHICH I THINK JUST REINFORCES THE UNDERSTANDING THAT PETALUMA REALLY DOES VALUE ITS HISTORIC RESOURCES, ITS IDENTITY AS A RIVER TOWN, UM, ITS CONNECTION TO RIVER AND AGRICULTURAL HISTORY, UM, AS WELL AS ITS DOWNTOWN CHARACTER AND, AND SENSE OF PLACE.
SO ALL OF THAT, YOU KNOW, INFORMS, UH, THE GOALS THAT WE'VE DEVELOPED HERE.
UM, THE WAY THAT THE FRAMEWORK IS CURRENTLY ORGANIZED IS BASED ON FIVE DIFFERENT GOALS.
UM, AND THE WAY THAT THOSE GOALS ARE, UM, DESIGNED IS REALLY TO PROVIDE PETALUMA WITH STRATEGIES TO BOTH RECOGNIZE AND CELEBRATE ITS HISTORIC AND CULTURAL RESOURCES, TANGIBLE AND INTANGIBLE, UM, AND ENCOURAGING PRESERVATION AND CONTINUED, UM, OR ADAPTIVE FOR USE OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS AND DISTRICTS, UM, THAT REALLY CREATE A SENSE OF PLACE AND ALSO EMPHASIZE THINGS LIKE SUSTAINABILITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
UM, SO TO THAT END, THE WAY THAT WE ORGANIZE THESE FIVE DIFFERENT GOALS IS THE FIRST GOAL IS REALLY ABOUT, UM, MAINTAINING AND PRESERVING THE DESIGNATED HISTORIC RESOURCES, UM, THAT, THAT ARE CURRENTLY DESIGNATED.
UH, THE SECOND GOAL IS A, IS MORE ABOUT BROADENING, UM, THE PRESERVATION PROGRAMS AND IDENTIFICATION OF HISTORIC RESOURCES.
SO LOOKING AT NEW DISTRICTS, ADDITIONAL LANDMARKS, UM, YOU KNOW, MORE CULTURAL HERITAGE, YOU KNOW, UNDERREPRESENTED HERITAGE AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
UM, THE THIRD GOAL IS ABOUT, UH, THIS TIE IN WITH SUSTAINABILITY AND EXISTING BUILDINGS.
THE FOURTH IS ABOUT TRIBAL CULTURAL RESOURCES, WHICH ARE A REALLY IMPORTANT, UM, ASPECT OF, OF THIS ELEMENT.
AND THE FIFTH GOAL IS ABOUT HOW HISTORIC PRESERVATION TIES IN WITH THE PUBLIC EDUCATION, UM, AS WELL AS SOME MORE LIKE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CONCEPTS.
SO THAT'S BROADLY HOW THAT WAS ORGANIZED.
UM, SO GETTING INTO THE FIRST GOAL, THESE ARE JUST SUMMARIZED HERE.
WE, YOU KNOW, HOPE THAT YOU'VE HAD TIME TO KIND OF DIVE INTO THE FRAMEWORK, WHICH HAS MUCH MORE TEXT, UM, THAT GIVES A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL AS WELL AS ALL OF THE MANY ACTION ITEMS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THESE POLICIES AND KIND OF PROVIDE THE, THE MEANS TO WHICH THESE WILL ACTUALLY BE IMPLEMENTED, UM, IN THE FUTURE.
SO THE FIRST GOAL IS REALLY ABOUT FOSTERING AND MAINTAINING PETALUMA'S UNIQUE AND IRREPLACEABLE CULTURAL HERITAGE.
UM, SO THAT'S ABOUT MAINTAINING THE QUALITY OF EXISTING HISTORIC RESOURCES AND DISTRICTS, AVOIDING DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT, UM, REALLY MAKING SURE THAT HISTORIC RESOURCES ARE A KEY COMPONENT AND CONSIDERATION OF DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, BUT ALSO BALANCING AND MAKING SURE THAT THERE ARE PLENTY OF INCENTIVES TO MAKE SURE THAT PRESERVATION IS A, YOU KNOW, A POSITIVE FOR, FOR ALL PARTIES, WHETHER THAT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, TAX, UM, INCENTIVES OR BUILDING CODE INCENTIVES OR DIFFERENT PERMIT PRO PROCESSES.
UM, AND ALSO REALLY CLARIFYING AND REFINING THE REVIEW PROCESS.
WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM STAFF AND THE PUBLIC, UM, ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, BEING A HISTORIC RESOURCE AND, UM, IS, IS A, IS A SMOOTH PROCESS AND ENJOYABLE FOR ALL.
UH, THE SECOND GOAL IS, LIKE I SAID, REALLY ABOUT EXPANDING AND BROADENING, UM, THE, THE DEFINITION AND UNDERSTANDING OF PETALUMA'S DIVERSE HAIR, UM, HISTORY.
SO RECOGNIZING, UM, UH, THAT THERE, WHILE THERE ARE MANY CURRENTLY DESIGNATED HISTORIC RESOURCES, THERE IS A LOT MORE OUT THERE IN PETALUMA.
UM, AND IN IDENTIFYING AND DESIGNATING HISTORIC RESOURCES THROUGH VARIOUS ACTION ITEMS LIKE PREPARING A CITYWIDE HISTORIC CONTEXT STATEMENT OR AN UPDATED CITYWIDE SURVEY
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OR UPDATED DISTRICT SURVEYS, UM, THERE ARE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES THAT COULD BE PROTECTED, INCLUDING, UM, SPECIFICALLY THOSE RELATED TO THE RIVER DEPENDENT AND AGRICULTURAL SUPPORT USES IN PETALUMA THAT ARE VERY UNIQUE, UM, AS WELL AS THINGS LIKE HISTORIC TREES AND, UM, AND SIGNAGE, OTHER FEATURES IN THE LANDSCAPE.UM, AND GOAL THREE IS REALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, TYING HISTORIC PRESERVATION TO SUSTAINABILITY.
AS, UH, RON MENTIONED, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, MANY ACCESS OF THIS GENERAL PLAN AND PRESERVATION IS ONE OF THEM, BUT IT DOES ALSO TIE INTO A LOT OF OTHER CONCEPTS, UM, THAT ARE INTERRELATED.
AND WE THINK SUSTAINABILITY IS A REALLY KEY AND IMPORTANT ONE.
WE KNOW THAT THIS IS A VALUE IN PETALUMA, UM, AND WE THINK THAT THESE ARE MUTUALLY SUPPORTING IDEAS.
SO IT'S REALLY TYING PRESERVATION TO SUSTAINABILITY BY ENCOURAGING, UH, THE RETROFIT, REHABILITATION AND ADAPTIVE REUSE OF EXISTING BUILDINGS AND RECOGNIZING THE CONCEPT OF EMBODIED ENERGY AND THIS KIND OF PRINCIPLE THAT THE GREENEST BUILDING, UH, IS THE ONE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN BUILT.
UM, SO KIND OF SUPPORTING VITALITY AND CHARACTER THROUGH THESE, UM, INTERRELATED CONCEPTS.
AND GOAL FOUR, UM, THIS IS ABOUT ENGAGING AND WORKING IN CONSULTATION WITH, UM, TRIBAL PARTNERS AS REALLY ACTIVE PARTNERS.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF SENSITIVE, UM, RESOURCES, TRIBAL CULTURAL RESOURCES, UM, AND SO REALLY WANTING THE, THE CITY AND TRIBAL, UM, PART PARTNERS TO BE KIND OF ACTIVE PARTICIPANTS TOGETHER TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S SENSITIVITY AROUND THESE RESOURCES AS APPROPRIATE, UM, THAT THEY'RE CONSIDERED IN DEVELOPMENT PLANS.
AND THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, AS APPROPRIATE, UM, THESE KINDS OF, UH, STORIES AND HISTORIES OF PETALUMA ARE SHARED WITH THE PUBLIC AND RECOGNIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TRIBES ARE, THEY HAVE HIS CULTURAL RESOURCES, BUT THEY'RE ALSO AN ACTIVE PART OF, UH, THE CURRENT COMMUNITY.
UM, AND SO SHARING AND UPLIFTING THOSE STORIES, UM, AS WELL.
AND, UM, I THINK PROBABLY RELATED, THE LAST GOAL IS REALLY ABOUT PUBLIC EDUCATION AND REALLY ENSURING THAT, YOU KNOW, HISTORIC PRESERVATION DOESN'T NEED TO JUST BE ABOUT REGULATORY PROCESS, BUT, UM, THIS IS REALLY ABOUT SHARING HISTORY WITH THE COMMUNITY, MAKING SURE THAT THIS VALUE IS SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.
UM, AND THERE ARE ACTIVE PARTNERSHIPS WITH, UM, VARIOUS INSTITUTIONS, LOCAL INSTITUTIONS, THE MUSEUM LIBRARY, CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, ALL OF ALL OF THESE GROUPS.
UM, AND RECOGNIZING THAT HERITAGE TOURISM CAN REALLY BE AN ECONOMIC DRIVER, UM, SUPPORTING LOCAL BUSINESSES AND KIND OF FOSTERING DOWNTOWN ECONOMIC, UM, VITAL VITALITY IN A REALLY UNIQUE WAY.
SO, AGAIN, VERY HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW, BUT, UH, WE WANNA SAVE ROOM FOR COMMENTS AND DISCUSSION.
UM, BILL, EXCUSE ME, CHAIR REINHARDT.
UM, AT THIS POINT WE TYPICALLY TURN THINGS BACK OVER TO YOU TO FACILITATE QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION AMONGST COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
UM, WE DO HAVE SOME SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR THE COMMITTEE TO BE MINDFUL OF.
UM, THE FIRST TWO ARE IDENTICAL TO WHAT'S ON THE FORM, BUT, UM, FOR THE HISTORIC RESOURCES FRAMEWORK, WE ALSO INCLUDED A COUPLE ADDITIONAL, UM, QUESTIONS SPECIFIC TO, UM, UM, WHAT, WHAT ANYTHING WE'RE MISSING OR DON'T KNOW ABOUT IN TERMS OF, UM, UH, VULNERABLE PROPERTIES AND REALLY ASKING THE LARGER QUESTION OF, ARE WE DOING ALL WE CAN IN THE FRAMEWORK TO, UM, INCENTIVIZE THE PRESERVATION OF HISTORIC RESOURCES? SO, UH, CHAIR REINHARDT.
WHY DON'T WE START WITH, UH, JUST SOME GENERAL QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE CONSULTANT TEAM OR, OR STAFF.
UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMITTEE MEMBER BEN RA? YEAH.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT PARTS OF THE FRAMEWORK ARE, ARE KIND OF SET? I MEAN, THERE'S FIVE GOALS, UM, AND THERE'S POLICIES UNDER THEIRS, AND WE DIDN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT THE ACTION ITEMS, BUT, UM, IS IT ALL KIND OF A FREE PLAY AT THIS POINT, OR, UH, I'LL GO AHEAD AND ANSWER THAT ONE.
UM, THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS REVIEW PERIOD FOR ALL THE FRAMEWORKS IS TO GET INPUT EXPECTING THAT BASED ON WELL-INFORMED, GROUNDED PUBLIC INPUT, WE'LL MAKE REFINEMENTS, ADJUSTMENTS, REVISIONS, REORGANIZATION.
SO WELCOME IN ALL SUGGESTIONS AND JUST ONE.
AND THEN THE NEXT, UH, STEP IN THE PROCESS IS, UM, YOU ALL WILL TAKE THIS AND COME UP WITH, UH, A DRAFT GENERAL PLAN.
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LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT AS WELL.SO THERE ARE MULTIPLE STEPS IN THE REVIEW PROCESS.
THIS IS ONE STEP FOR THIS PART OF THE FRAMEWORKS.
WE ALSO ARE GATHERING FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC.
THERE'S A FORM ONLINE THAT YOU CAN GO AND FILL OUT AND FILL IT OUT IN A POLICY SPECIFIC WAY AND GIVE, UH, YOU KNOW, GIVE FEEDBACK ON EACH POLICY.
WE HAVE THE GENERAL PLAN FEST WHERE WE WILL ALSO BE GATHERING FEEDBACK.
THE GENERAL PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE, THE GPAC ALSO HAS BROKEN INTO WORKING GROUPS AND ARE REVIEWING ALL OF THE FRAMEWORKS.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHICH WILL ALSO ULTIMATELY, UH, LOOK AT THE FRAMEWORKS AND THEN ACCEPT THE FEEDBACK OF THE COMMITTEES AND COMMISSIONS THAT HAVE A PARTICULAR EXPERTISE IN THE FRAMEWORKS, AND THEN REVIEW SOME OF THE KEY FRAMEWORKS IN MORE DETAIL THEMSELVES.
UM, THEY WILL ULTIMATELY THEN PASS A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL, AND THEN CITY COUNCIL WILL WEIGH IN ON THE FRAMEWORKS.
THEN WE WILL DEVELOP THE DRAFT GENERAL PLAN, WHICH WILL COME BACK TO YOU FOR ANOTHER ROUND OF, OF INPUT.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ALSO WELCOME IF YOU HAVE A, A, A STRAY THOUGHT AFTER THIS MEETING TO LET US KNOW.
SO THERE, THERE ARE MULTIPLE WAYS THAT FOLKS CAN GIVE FEEDBACK, BOTH IN THIS STAGE OF REVIEW AND THEN WITH THE DRAFT PLAN ITSELF.
NO, THAT WAS HELPFUL BECAUSE IT, IT IS GOOD TO KNOW AND YOU KNOW, WHAT ROLE WE'RE GONNA PLAY TONIGHT OR WHAT OUR FEEDBACK WILL BE.
I, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBER PERLES.
ARE THERE, UH, LEVELS OF STRUCTURE IN THE POLICY FRAMEWORK BENEATH, UH, IN, IN MORE DETAIL THAN WHAT IS, UH, BEEN PRESENTED TO US IN THIS, UH, UM, SLIDESHOW? YES.
SO IN THE FRAMEWORK ITSELF, UH, MAYBE RON OR, OR HANOCK CAN, CAN TELL US HOW MANY PAGES IT IS
UM, BUT YES, THERE'S QUITE A BIT MORE DETAIL.
WE HAVE THE GOALS THEMSELVES, WE HAVE POLICIES, AND THEN WE HAVE ACTION ITEMS FOR THE MAJORITY OF THOSE POLICIES.
SO THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF, OF DETAIL.
EACH OF THE POLICY FRAMEWORKS THEMSELVES ARE, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN 15 AND 30 PAGES LONG.
SO ALL THE FRAMEWORKS TOGETHER IS ABOUT 300 PAGES OF POLICY MATERIAL.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF DETAIL THERE TO, TO DIG INTO.
HERE'S A, HERE'S AN EXAMPLE THAT RON HAS PULLED UP ON HIS SCREEN.
AND HAVE THESE BEEN MADE AVAILABLE TO US? YES, THEY HAVE.
THEY, THEY, THEY'VE BEEN SENT TO YOU, I BELIEVE, AND THEN THEY'RE ALSO AVAILABLE ON THE GENERAL PLAN WEBSITE.
YOU CAN LOOK AT THE FRAMEWORK, YOU CAN COMMENT ON THE FORM THAT YOU'VE BEEN GIVEN, UH, AND THEN YOU COULD, IF YOU PREFER, COMMENT ON THE ONLINE FORM WHERE YOU DROP DOWN AND GIVE COMMENTS ON SPECIFIC POLICIES.
LEO, CAN YOU REMEMBER PETER, CARL, I, YEAH.
UM, I, I THINK IT MUCH MORE OF A SORT OF A GENERAL QUESTION, BUT HOW SHOULD WE BE THINKING ABOUT, UM, THE POLICY FRAMEWORK AND THE CONTEXT OF LIKE, OTHER REGULATORY SCHEMES LIKE CQA OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? RIGHT.
A LOT OF THE, UM, POLICIES IN HERE SORT OF OVERLAP WITH WHAT HAPPENS WITH QUA ANYWAY, SO HOW DOES THAT PLAY INTO SORT OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE AND THE CONFLICT THAT MAY COME FROM THAT OR NOT, OR WHETHER THEY SORT OF ARE IN HARMONY? YES.
THE, THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS ALWAYS TO BE IN HARMONY WITH SEQA
BUT, BUT ESSENTIALLY WE ARE SETTING THE DIRECTION FOR PETALUMA AND ARTICULATING THE PRIORITIES FOR THE CITY, UM, AND WHAT THE FOCUSES WILL BE IN TERMS OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
THIS DOCUMENT ITSELF WILL GO THROUGH ACE QA PROCESS, SO WE WILL NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL IN COMPLIANCE, WHICH WE, WHICH WE SHOULD BE.
UM, AND IT HELPS US SET A VISION RATHER THAN AT THE FRONT END OF A PROJECT, RATHER THAN KIND OF REGULATING AFTER MANY PROJECTS HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED.
UH, RON, HANNAH, RUTH, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? NO, THEY THOUGHT THAT WAS AWESOME.
ANY OTHER, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, I, I HAVE JUST ONE, YOU KNOW, COMPARING THIS, UH, FRAMEWORK WITH THE PREVIOUS GENERAL PLAN, AND IT SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S ALWAYS SOME UPFRONT SORT OF, UM, STAGE SETTING SECTION, YOU KNOW, LIKE AN INTRODUCTION AND WILL, WILL WE BE HAVING THAT? AND, UM, OKAY.
SO CAN, CAN YOU KIND OF CHARACTERIZE WHAT ELSE WE'LL, WE'LL FIND IN THE DRAFT THAT, THAT'S NOT INCLUDED TODAY? JUST YES.
RON, DID YOU HAVE A SLIDE? AND YOU, YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT QUITE A BIT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE WAS REALLY A SLIDE ABOUT IT.
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OKAY.UM, RON, WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND, AND ANSWER THAT.
I MEAN, YES, THIS, THE GENERAL PLAN ITSELF WILL BE VERY DIFFERENT, UM, THAN THESE POLICY FRAMEWORKS.
UM, MY, IF I HAD TO GUESS TODAY, AND THERE'S ACTUALLY, WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA GO THROUGH A WHOLE KIND OF OUTLINE STRUCTURE PHASE OF THE GENERAL PLAN AFTER, AS CHRISTINA DESCRIBED, COUNSEL HAS GIVEN US POLICY DI DIRECTION BASED ON ALL THE INPUT WE'RE GATHERING NOW.
SO ONCE WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT GOAL POLICY DIRECTION, WE'LL GO THROUGH A PROCESS OF PLAYING WITH DIFFERENT WAYS IN WHICH TO STRUCTURE THE GENERAL PLAN.
UH, WILL I GET, I WOULD IMAGINE INVOLVE THE GPAC IN THAT PROCESS, BUT TYPICALLY WE'D HAVE A VERY VISUALLY ORIENTED, UM, VERY CLEAR, ACCESSIBLE FRONT END THAT'S FAIRLY SHORT AND CONCISE THAT CONVEYS THE MAIN POINTS, UM, AND, UM, THRUSTS OF THE GENERAL PLAN AND WHAT IT WILL ACHIEVE WHEN IMPLEMENTED.
AND THEN THERE'LL BE DENSER PERIODS, UH, SECTIONS, UM, USUALLY ORGANIZED BY CHAPTERS OR ELEMENTS.
UM, AND THEN EACH OF THOSE WILL HAVE THEIR OWN ORGANIZATION TYPICALLY PROVIDING, AGAIN, SOME FAIRLY CONCISE CONTEXTUAL INFORMATION AT THE FRONT END.
WE TYPICALLY KEEP IT SHORT AND SWEET TO THE MAIN AND FOCUSED ON THE MAIN POINTS, AND THEN INCLUDE THE DETAIL AND APPENDICES AND APPENDICES ARE LIKELY TO INCLUDE THE EXISTING CONDITIONS REPORT AND OTHER RESOURCES THAT WERE USED TO DEVELOP THE GENERAL PLAN.
UM, BUT YEAH, SOME, SOME BASIC FRAMING OF THE ELEMENT.
UM, AND SOME, UH, YOU KNOW, KEY DRIVERS, THINGS THAT REALLY INFORMED ITS DEVELOPMENT SUMMARIES OF RELATED, UM, ELEMENTS OF THE VISION AND GUIDING PRINCIPLES, ET CETERA, UM, BEFORE GETTING INTO THE SUBSTANCE OF THE ELEMENT, INCLUDING THE GOALS, POLICIES, AND ACTIONS.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? IT SURE DID.
UH, SEEING NO OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE, I THINK AT THIS POINT WE NEED TO OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE ITEM.
UM, HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY SPEAKER CARDS? WE HAVE NOT.
AND I KNOW WE RECEIVED ONE PUBLIC COMMENT VIA EMAIL.
WE RECEIVED ONE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS MEETING ITEM VIA EMAIL.
IT'S AVAILABLE ONLINE FOR VIEWING, AND IT'S ALSO AVAILABLE IN THE BACK FOR THOSE WHO ARE HERE.
SO, UM, I GUESS WITH THAT WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD ON THE ITEM, AND I, I THINK BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE FOR, UM, SPECIFIC COMMENTS, FEEDBACK DIRECTION FOR THE CONSULTANT TEAM COMMITTEE MEMBER, UH, WHITLEY START? YEAH, A A FEW COMMENTS.
UM, ONE, UH, IT'S VERY THOROUGH.
THE, THE, UH, POLICY FRAMEWORK, UM, GOING THROUGH IT, UM, THERE'S SOME LANGUAGE THAT, UH, WHEN YOU SEE, UH, PLANS, POLICIES AND OR GOALS, POLICIES AND ACTION ITEMS, I THINK THAT, UH, THERE'S SOME LANGUAGE WHERE IT SAYS THINGS LIKE CONSIDER OR ENCOURAGE.
UM, I THINK THOSE ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THE GOALS IN THE POLICY SECTION, BUT THERE ARE SOME PLACES WHERE IT SAYS IN ACTION ITEMS, UH, WHERE THEY SAY, CONSIDER OR ENCOURAGE.
AND I THINK IN THOSE PLACES, UM, WE NEED TO SEE WHO IS DOING THE, CONSIDERING WHO IS DOING THE ENCOURAGING, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN EXACTLY.
UM, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE DECISIVE FOR THE ACTION ITEMS SPECIFICALLY.
UM, THAT WAS GENERALLY THROUGHOUT, UM, THE ENTIRE POLICY FRAMEWORK.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, UM, I NOTED THAT IN YOUR SECTION, UM, HR, UM, 4.1 ABOUT TRIBAL CULTURAL RESOURCES THAT SUBSUMES ARCHEOLOGICAL RESOURCES, BUT THERE ARE ARCHEOLOGICAL RESOURCES THAT ARE NOT TRIBAL CULTURAL RESOURCES.
THERE ARE ALSO PALEONTOLOGICAL RESOURCES WHICH FALL UNDER SQA AS WELL.
SO I THINK THAT SECTION NEEDS TO BE, UH, RE-DESIGNATED ARCHEOLOGICAL PALEONTOLOGICAL AND TRIBAL CULTURAL RESOURCES OR, UH, AND ALSO, UM, HAVE ACTION ITEMS FOR SPECIFICALLY NON-TRIBAL ARCHEOLOGICAL SITES AND ALSO PALEONTOLOGICAL RESOURCES.
SO THAT'S, UM, ONE OTHER ITEM I NOTED ON THERE.
UM, ADDITIONALLY ON FIGURE ONE, UM, WHERE THE, UM, COLOR CODED, UH, DOTS ARE IN THERE, IT MIGHT BE NICE TO SEE THOSE AS DIFFERENT SYMBOLS BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE CAN'T IDENTIFY DIFFERENT COLORS, SO HAVING DIFFERENT SYMBOLS FOR THOSE, UM, MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
UM, UH, OVERALL THOUGH, I THINK THAT ONE OF THE KEY COMPONENTS I DIDN'T SEE IN THIS, UM, PARTICULARLY IN SECTION ONE, UM, HR 1.1 IS THAT, UM,
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WHEN LOOKING AT THE EXISTING HISTORIC DISTRICT, I THINK THAT WE RECOGNIZE THAT, UH, THE CITY OF PETAL PETALUMA HAS A DISTINCTIVE HISTORIC, UM, DOWNTOWN.AND, UM, THAT DISTRICT ITSELF IS A GENERATOR OF REVENUE IN THE CITY.
SO PEOPLE COME INTO THE CITY JUST TO TAKE PICTURES AND TO SEE THESE BUILDINGS AND TO SHOP IN THEM TO HAVE, UM, MEALS IN THEM.
UM, THEY ADDITIONALLY DO THAT THROUGH OTHER PARTS OF TOWN AS WELL.
SO, UM, WHEN WE CONSIDER, UM, IDENTIFYING AND PROTECTING THOSE HISTORIC RESOURCES, UH, WE DON'T HAVE TO LOOK OR WE HAVE TO LOOK BEYOND JUST THEIR ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRITY AND ALL OF THE SEVEN DIFFERENT CATEGORIES OF INTEGRITY, UH, REALLY RELATED TO THE NATIONAL REGISTER.
BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT, UM, HOW THE DISTRICT OPERATES IN TERMS OF HERITAGE TOURISM AND, UM, HOW IT GENERATES REVENUE.
AND THERE ARE, UM, POTENTIAL EFFECTS FROM DEVELOPMENT OR OTHER KINDS OF THINGS THAT, UM, COULD AFFECT, UM, THAT HERITAGE TOURISM GENERATOR, UM, RATHER THAN, UM, AFFECTING THE ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRITY ITSELF.
SO THAT'S AN ASPECT OF, UM, HISTORIC PRESERVATION, I THINK NEEDS TO BE SPECIFICALLY POINTED OUT AS AN ACTION ITEM AND SAY, WE NEED TO CONSIDER, UM, OR AS A POLICY, WE NEED TO CONSIDER, UM, WHAT THE REVENUE GENERATING, UM, CHARACTERISTICS OF THESE HISTORIC DISTRICTS OR HISTORIC BUILDINGS THEMSELVES.
THINGS LIKE THE STANDALONE ONES, LIKE THE PETALUMA MUSEUM, FOR EXAMPLE.
UM, WHAT THOSE ARE IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY MEAN TO THE CITY.
UM, SO THOSE HAVE TO BE PART OF THE REVIEW PROCESS AS WELL.
SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT, UH, POLICY ADDED, UM, AS WELL.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK THAT COVERS PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING.
UM, ALSO, I THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOK AT FIGURE TWO, PARTICULARLY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A CLEAR INDICATION OF HOW, UM, UNDERWATER WE ARE IN TERMS OF IDENTIFYING HISTORIC RESOURCES.
AND I THINK YOU'VE MADE, MADE THAT CLEAR IN THE POLICY FRAMEWORK.
UM, AND I THINK THAT, UM, IF WE COULD MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THE GOALS AND THE POLICIES FOR THE CITY FOR THE GENERAL PLAN SHOULD, UM, ENCOURAGE AND FUND PROACTIVE, UM, KINDS OF PROCESSES, NOT JUST THE REACTIVE ONES LIKE, UM, HAR, BUT ALSO LOOK AT, UM, FULLY DOCUMENTING SOME OF THESE RESOURCES.
I THINK YOU LAY THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT IN, IN SECTION TWO, BUT I THINK THAT, UM, I'D LIKE TO SEE IT MADE CLEAR THAT THAT IS A, UM, PREFERENCE FOR THE CITY TO PROMOTE PROACTIVE, UM, HISTORIC RESOURCE IDENTIFICATION, UM, RATHER THAN JUST REACTING AS THESE, UH, POTENTIAL PROJECTS COME UP.
UM, BUT THAT PRETTY MUCH COVERS MOST OF MY COMMENTS.
UH, WHO WOULD LIKE TO GO NEXT? CHAIR? I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.
DO YOU WANT US TO RESPOND TO ANY OF THESE IDEAS AT ALL OR ADD ON, UM, OR JUST SHOULD WE BE GATHERING? I THINK IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR CLARIFICATION FROM SPECIFIC COMMENTS, THAT WOULD BE GOOD.
UM, AND THEN, BUT MAYBE IF YOU HAVE GENERAL QUESTIONS OF US, WE CAN HAVE A ROUND TO THAT AT, AT THE END.
I THINK I'LL ASK FOR QUESTIONS FROM YOUR TEAM, UM, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE CLOSE OUT JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT EVERYTHING STRAIGHT.
DO YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBER? WILLIE? I DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, BUT I WAS EXCITED TO HEAR WHAT OUR EXPERTS FROM PAIGE AND TURNBULL THOUGHT IF THEY HAD ANYTHING TO ADD.
I, I THINK THEY'RE GOOD POINTS.
UH, AND I FEEL LIKE, UH, USUALLY GENERAL PLANS, THERE'S A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH, UM, ASSERTIVE THE TEXT NEEDS TO BE VERSUS SUGGESTIVE.
UH, AND SO I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT ALL OF THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS HAVE TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
UM, SO RON USUALLY DIRECTS US IN TERMS OF HOW TO BALANCE THOSE DIFFERENT KIND OF COMMENTS AND DIRECTION.
UH, SO YOU MIGHT HAVE A BETTER WAY TO GIVE US GUIDANCE ON THIS.
YOU KNOW, I, I FRANKLY A AGREED AND APPRECIATED ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS.
UM, BUT THE LEVEL OF ASSERTION IN THE GENERAL PLAN IS, IS SOMETHING THAT IS USUALLY DIRECTED TO US BY, UM, THE CLIENT OR THE CITY.
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UM, AND TO THAT LAST POINT, UM, I BELIEVE THIS DRAFT, AND CHRISTINA CORRECT ME IF I'M MISSPEAKING, UM, KIND OF REFLECTS CITY STAFF'S LEVEL OF COMFORT WITH BEING WITH ITS LEVEL OF DIRECTEDNESS OR SPECIFICITY IN SOME CASES.AND PART OF WHAT IS VERY MINDFUL FOR BOTH CRAFTERS OF GENERAL PLANS AND CITY STAFF IN THIS PROCESS IS THAT A GENERAL PLAN CAN'T, CAN'T BIND FUTURE CITY COUNCIL'S HANDS.
AND SO YOU, YOU COULD, IT CAN INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDATIONS OR ACTIONS THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD SUGGEST OR, YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGE FUTURE CITY COUNCILS TO INVEST RESOURCES IN THIS PARTICULAR THING.
BUT IT, BUT ULTIMATELY ITS CITY COUNCIL HAS THE AUTHORITY TO BUDGET ON AN ANNUAL OR BIENNIAL BASIS AS THE CASE MAY BE.
AND THAT INCLUDES, UM, DIRECTING WHERE STAFF TIME GOES.
AND SO, UH, AS RUTH SAID, GP TRIES TO STRIKE, STRIKE A BALANCE ABOUT BEING VERY CLEAR ABOUT THE INTENT WITHOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, USURPING FUTURE CITY COUNCIL'S AUTHORITY.
A RELATED POINT IN YOUR QUESTION, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS AN EXCELLENT POINT, WAS, UM, OF, OF WHO'S LIKE, WHO IS THIS DIRECTED AT? AND TYPICALLY, A GENERAL PLAN IS WRITTEN WITH CITY LEADERS AND CITY STAFF IN MIND.
AND SO THE ACT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU, YOU MENTIONED CONSIDER OR ENCOURAGE THE ACTOR TYPICALLY IS THE CITY OR A CITY REPRESENTATIVE STAFF MEMBER.
AND IF THERE ARE PARTICULAR ACTIONS OR POLICIES THAT YOU THINK WE SHOULD HAVE MORE DECISIVE LANGUAGE AROUND, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HEAR.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING WHEN YOU WERE SPEAKING.
CAN I, I JUST FOLLOW UP ON THAT, UM, JUST BECAUSE I HAVE THIS SORT OF AN INTERPRETATION I WANT TO GET CLARIFIED IS, UM, KNOWING THAT, YOU KNOW, THE TEAM AND THE CITY STAFF WILL SORT OF FILTER OUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND MAKE IT WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE.
UM, I SHARE A COMMITTEE MEMBER WHITLEY'S CONCERN ABOUT THE LANGUAGE OF ALL THE ENCOURAGEMENT AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND CONSIDERATION RECOMMENDATIONS BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME THAT EVERYTHING IN THE GENERAL PLAN IS THERE FOR A COUNCIL CONSIDERATION.
SO IF THE ACTION ITEM IS TO CONSIDER IT, THEN THEY CAN CONSIDER THE ACTION COMPLETED AT THAT POINT.
WHEREAS, WELL, IF WE REALLY WANT TO RECOMMEND ACTION, THEN I THINK THE GENERAL PLAN SHOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, IMPLEMENT, RIGHT? AND THEN COUNCIL CAN CONSIDER WHETHER OR NOT TO IMPLEMENT IT, BUT IT, WE SHOULDN'T JUST SAY CONSIDER IT, IT SHOULD SAY TO DO IT, SHOULDN'T IT? I MEAN, MAYBE YOU CAN CLARIFY THAT SOMEBODY JUST BECAUSE I, I DON'T SEE THE POINT IN, IN THE SOFT LANGUAGE.
IT JUST, TO ME, IT, THAT'S LIKE ACTION'S COMPLETE ONCE WE'VE CONSIDERED IT AND IT DOESN'T SAY WHO'S CONSIDERING IT.
IT DOESN'T EVEN SAY IT GOES TO COUNCIL.
IT MAY BE, YOU KNOW, CITY MANAGER CONSIDERS IT AND DISMISSES IT.
BUT OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO DO THESE THINGS.
IT'S A, IT'S AN INTERESTING PROCESS BECAUSE WE'RE DEVELOPING A 20 YEAR PLAN AND IT'S DIFFICULT TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT MONTH, LET ALONE 15 YEARS FROM NOW.
UH, SO WE DO OUR BEST TO ARTICULATE PRIORITIES, UH, KNOWING THAT SOME OF THOSE PRIORITIES MAY CHANGE, AND ALSO THAT WE CANNOT DO EVERYTHING AT ONCE.
AND SO IN A GENERAL PLAN, WE'RE CAREFUL NOT TO SAY YOU MUST DO ALL OF THESE THINGS BECAUSE THEY MAY BECOME IMPOSSIBLE FOR SOME REASON, OR PRIORITIES MAY CHANGE.
SO WE, WE TRY TO ARTICULATE THE MOST URGENT PRIORITIES WITH STRONGER LANGUAGE.
UM, AND THEN OTHERS WE SAY, CONSIDER OR, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT DOING THIS BECAUSE WE KNOW IT'S NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO HAPPEN IMMEDIATELY, BUT IT IS A PRIORITY THAT WE WANT TO BE CONSIDERED.
SO AGAIN, IF, IF THERE ARE SPECIFIC ITEMS THAT YOU THINK SHOULD BE HIGHLIGHTED WITH THE LANGUAGE MORE, THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL TO, TO HEAR ABOUT.
RON, DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? YEAH, NO, I THINK THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT POINT.
SO, AND CHRISTINA, AGAIN, CORRECT ME IF I MISSPEAK, BUT INTERESTING CONTRAST HERE.
I JUST HAPPENED TO BE AT THIS PLACE IN THE FRAMEWORK.
I WOULD ASSUME YOU GUYS WOULD THINK THIS WAS, THIS IS APPROPRIATE.
SO WORK WITH LIKE, BASICALLY COLLABORATE WITH LOCAL STAKEHOLDERS, RIGHT? SO THAT'S, THAT'S CLEAR.
UM, LIKEWISE, THIS IS REALLY A, THE CITY ENCOURAGING OTHER ACTORS TO DO THINGS.
SO I WOULD THINK IN THIS CASE, ENCOURAGE IS APPROPRIATE LANGUAGE, RIGHT? IN CONTRAST, THIS ONE I MIGHT VERY WELL WANNA REWORD, PURSUE DESIGNATION AS A PRESERVE, PRESERVE AMERICA COMMUNITY, RIGHT? 'CAUSE THEN, AS TO YOUR POINT BILL, IT'S VERY CLEAR WHAT THE ACTION IS.
IT'S STILL, COUNCIL STAFF STILL HAVE THE FREEDOM IN THE FUTURE BASED ON PRIORITIES, RESOURCES, ET CETERA.
WHETHER OR NOT THEY TAKE THAT ACTION.
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LEAST THE ACTION IS VERY CLEAR WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.AND TO YOUR POINT, BILL, IT'S NOT COMPLETED WHEN IT'S BEEN CONSIDERED, IT'S COMPLETED WHEN IT'S BEEN PURSUED.
THE, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN SOMEONE'S TAKEN ACTION TO PURSUE THAT DESIGNATION.
UM, IS THAT, IS THAT HELPFUL? YEAH, THAT'S GREAT.
AND I, AND I HAVE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS WHERE I'VE KIND OF REDLINED IT WHERE I HAVE MY OPINION OF THESE, YOU KNOW, VARIOUS MATTERS WHERE THERE ARE PRIORITIES.
SO I'LL FORWARD THOSE ON AT SOME POINT.
COMMITTEE MEMBER BERAN ON YOU NEXT.
UM, I KIND OF JUST BASICALLY WENT THROUGH SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU, UH, HAD PROPOSED.
WHAT DO YOU SEE THE MOST IMPORTANT POLICIES IN THE FRAMEWORK? UM, SO THE ONES THAT I LOOKED AT WAS, UH, POLICY 1.1, WHICH WAS MAINTAIN EXISTING HISTORIC RESOURCES.
UM, AND THEN NUMBER TWO WAS PROVIDING INCENTIVES FOR ENCOURAGING PRESERVATION.
AND THEN THREE, IDENTIFY AND DESIGNATE HISTORIC RESOURCES.
AND, YOU KNOW, I FEEL THOSE, THOSE THREE ARE, I MEAN, THEY COULD ALSO BE GOALS, UH, TO THAT EXTENT.
UM, AND THEN, UH, SOME OTHER ONES.
SO ENCOURAGE COMPATIBLE ADAPTIVE REUSE AND ENCOURAGE RETROFIT AND REHABILITATION.
SO THOSE ARE KIND OF ONES THAT POPPED OUT FOR ME.
I HAD, YOU KNOW, QUESTIONS ON SOME, UM, LIKE ENSURE CITY STAFF HAVE PRESERVATION EXPERIENCE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE BACKGROUND FOR THAT POLICY TO ME THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT SHOULD BE IN A GENERAL PLAN.
SO I, YOU KNOW, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, THE ROLE OF THE CITY.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S OTHER ENTITIES.
SO, UM, SO THAT WAS KIND OF MY GENERAL KIND OF OVERVIEW.
I HAD THE SAME CONCERNS THAT OTHERS HAVE HAD ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE LANGUAGE, UH, THE WAY THINGS ARE WORDED OR FRAMED, UM, ESPECIALLY WITH SOME OF THE ACTION ITEMS. UM, I DO HAVE COMMENTS ON A LOT OF THE ACTION ITEMS, UH, WHICH I WON'T GO THROUGH, BUT WE WE'LL FORWARD.
UM, ALSO, YOU KNOW, MY QUESTION WAS, HOW MANY GOALS ARE WE LOOKING AT? IS FIVE GOALS KIND OF A, UM, YOU KNOW, FRAMEWORK OR IT DOESN'T MATTER? UM, KIND OF GO FROM THERE.
UM, SO THOSE ARE KIND OF THE PO UH, CONCERNS ABOUT THE POLICY.
KINDA SAME THING THAT PEOPLE HAVE SHARED ABOUT JUST THE LANGUAGE OF THE ACTION ITEMS. UM, UH, SO THEY SHOULD BE STRENGTHENED, UH, WHAT HISTORIC RESEARCH ARE NOT, UH, CURRENTLY UNPROTECTED.
I THINK THE EXISTING CONDITIONS REPORT DID, UH, YOU KNOW, MENTIONED QUITE A, QUITE SEVERAL OF THEM.
UM, THE, UM, RIVER AND RAILROAD RELATED RESOURCES, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS HERE BEFORE TOO.
FORMER HATCHERIES, THE DC D STREET, SOME RESIDENTIAL AREAS, UH, THAT ARE POTENTIALLY UNPROTECTED.
AND THEN OF COURSE, THE RIVERFRONT WAREHOUSE DISTRICT.
UM, YOU KNOW, MY BIG, BIG PUSH ALSO IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED SOME KIND OF A SURVEY OR SOME KIND OF, SO THAT WE KNOW WHICH, UH, PROJECTS ARE, UH, UNPROTECTED.
SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE A, A BIG ITEM FOR ME FOR AS WELL.
AND THEN THE LAST ONE, DOES THE FRAMEWORK INCLUDE INCENTIVES FOR, UM, IT DOES INCLUDE SOME INCENTIVES.
UM, PROBABLY WANNA STRENGTHEN LANGUAGE ON SOME OF THOSE, THOSE ACTION ITEMS THAT I'VE, I, I HAVE SOME EDITS ON TO THOSE.
UM, BUT OVERALL, UM, THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF, UH, THE COMMENTS THAT I HAVE.
I HAD A QUICK QUESTION, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
ARE YOU GONNA BE SUBMITTING THE FORM? 'CAUSE I DIDN'T GET ALL THOSE POLICY NUMBERS, SO IF YOU'RE SUBMITTING THE FORM, GREAT.
IF NOT, I WOULD APPRECIATE IF YOU COULD READ OFF THE FIVE POLICY NUMBERS REALLY QUICK AGAIN.
UH, RUTH, I, I SEE THAT YOU ARE OFF MUTE.
DO YOU HAVE A, A QUESTION OR COMMENT? WELL, I WAS JUST GONNA ASK, UM, YOU, YOU, UH, WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE ACTION ITEMS AND THAT YOU HAD AGREED, I THINK WITH THE LANGUAGE OF THE VERB AND HOW ASSERTIVE IT IS OR ISN'T, UH, WERE WERE, ARE THERE, WILL YOU ALSO PROVIDE COMMENTS ABOUT WHETHER THERE WERE YOU HAD ISSUES WITH THE CLARITY OF THE, OF THE SENTENCES? YES.
OR WAS IT JUST THE VERB? BOTH.
SO I DO HAVE, UH, I HAVE QUITE A FEW EDITS ON THE ACTION ITEMS. YEAH.
AND JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, SO WE WILL, I MEAN, I HAVE SEVERAL DETAILED COMMENTS, WHICH I DON'T WANNA MAKE AT THE MEETING, BUT WE'LL BE ABLE TO SUBMIT OUR NOTES IN ADDITION TO, AND THEY'RE NOT ALL IN THE FORMAT OF THE,
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THE SURVEY FORM, BUT WE CAN FORWARD OUR NOTES AND MARKUPS, CORRECT? YES.UM, RUTH, OR DO YOU REMEMBER PER, OR HANNAH, DID YOU, DID YOU WANT TO RESPOND TO THE QUESTION AROUND HAVING CITY STAFF HAVE HISTORIC, HISTORIC EXPERIENCE SPECIFICALLY IN THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT? I CAN CERTAINLY SPEAK TO THAT.
I THINK THAT, YES, WE DEFINITELY HAVE SEEN THIS, UM, TYPE OF POLICY IN OTHER GENERAL PLANS, AND WE DO THINK IT'S, UM, IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CITY, UH, KEEPS THIS AS A PRIORITY GOING FORWARD.
YOU KNOW, RIGHT IN THIS MOMENT WE THINK THAT THERE'S REALLY STRONG PRESERVATION STAFF AND A REALLY STRONG, YOU KNOW, COMMITTEE AND KNOWLEDGE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IT DOES TAKE WORK TO MAINTAIN THAT.
AND SO THE GENERAL PLAN IS SORT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT THOSE PRIORITIES ARE CARRIED INTO THE FUTURE.
AS WE MENTIONED, THIS IS A, A, A PLAN THAT EXTENDS, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL DECADES.
SO JUST WANTING TO ENSURE THAT.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE FIELD IS ALWAYS CHANGING.
WE'RE ALWAYS LEARNING AND HAVING NEW BEST PRACTICES, SO WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THERE'S, UH, A POLICY THAT, YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGES THE CONTINUED TRAINING OF, OF STAFF, UM, ACROSS DEPARTMENTS.
UM, 'CAUSE, YOU KNOW, OTHER DEPARTMENTS OTHER THAN THAN PLANNING MAY, UM, BE INVOLVED AS WELL AS AS THE COMMITTEE.
SO COMMITTEE, I ALSO INTERPRETED THAT COMMENT AS THE FACT THAT WE PROBABLY NEEDED TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR ABOUT WHY WE WERE SUGGESTING THAT.
SO WE COULD ADD THAT OR, UM, FINESSE THE RATIONALE, UH, SO THAT IT'S MORE EASILY UNDERSTANDABLE.
IT CERTAINLY IS NOT A COMMENT ON, UH, THE CURRENT STATE OF YEAH.
SO WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT YOU TO, TO TAKE IT THAT WAY.
IT'S, UH, IT'S REALLY, UM, AN ACTIVE THING THAT, THAT ALL CITIES SHOULD BE CONSIDERING.
AND A GREAT EXAMPLE, IN OUR LAST GENERAL PLAN, WE HAVE A, A LINE ITEM THAT SAYS WE SHOULD CONSIDER HIRING A HISTORIC PRESERVATION SPECIALIST.
AT THE TIME WE HAD, YOU KNOW, OUR PLANNING MANAGER WAS OUR SPECIALIST, AND NOW WE HAVE ISABELLE.
AND, YOU KNOW, THAT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE POSSIBLE IF IT WASN'T A GENERAL PLAN POLICY AT THE TIME.
SO IT'S A GOOD, I, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.
I JUST, I JUST HADN'T SEEN IT IN THE LAST PLAN.
I CAME UP IN THIS PLAN, AND I, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT, AND I, YOU KNOW, AND I'M ALL FOR THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, MY INPUT WILL BE TO MAKE SURE ALL THE COMMITTEES GET ALL THE TRAINING AS WELL AND ALL THE RESOURCES.
AND THEN I PICKED UP ONE OTHER QUESTION AROUND THE NUMBER OF GOALS.
THIS REALLY VARIES FOR EACH OF THE DIFFERENT FRAMEWORKS.
FLOOD RESILIENCY HAS FOUR, AND IT'S ONE OF OUR MOST IMPACTFUL.
SO IT, IT'S NOT REALLY A REFLECTION OF THE IMPACT OR LEVEL OF DEPTH THAT WE'RE GOING INTO.
UM, THE, THE KEY THING IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COVERING ALL OF THE IMPORTANT TOPICS THAT WE NEED TO GET INTO.
AND IF YOU'RE GLUTTON FOR PUNISHMENT, WE'LL INVITE YOU TO JOIN ONE OF THE MEETINGS WHERE WE'RE DEBATING HOW TO ORGANIZE THE POLICIES UNDER DIFFERENT GOAL AREAS.
UH, COMMITTEE MEMBER PER, YOU'RE UP.
WELL, AFTER MY SENIOR MOMENT, IT TURNS OUT THAT I HAD REVIEWED THE, UH, POLICY FRAMEWORK FOR HUMAN HISTORIC RESOURCES, AND I DID HAVE A QUESTION, UH, OR A COMMENT, UH, IN, UH, HR TWO.
AND ITS SUBSECTIONS FOR, UH, WORKING TOWARDS, UH, PROTECTION OF, UH, UH, CURRENTLY NON-PROTECTED HISTORIC RESOURCES.
UH, THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION OF SURVEYS, BUT SURVEYS ARE STILL A FAR CRY FROM DESIGNATION, AND THAT, THAT, UH, THAT DISCONNECT, UM, JUMPED OUT AT ME AS I WAS READING IT.
SO I WAS WONDERING IF THE, UH, PEOPLE ARE WORKING ON THIS, HAD GIVEN ANY THOUGHT TO HOW TO GET TO DESIGNATION.
AND, UH, IF THEY HAVE, WOULD THEY SHARE THEIR THOUGHTS WITH US HERE? I CAN CHIME IN TO START HERE.
I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.
THERE'S, UM, DEFINITELY SURVEYS DON'T NECESSARILY RESULT IN DESIGNATION, ALTHOUGH I THINK THE GOAL IS TO FIRST UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU HAVE AND WHAT'S OUT THERE SO THAT DESIGNATIONS CAN BE PRIORITIZED.
UM, OBVIOUSLY SOME DESIGNATIONS ARE INITIATED BY THE PUBLIC, UM, VERSUS EITHER THE CITY OR COMMITTEE.
UM, I THINK WE COULD CERTAINLY LOOK AT DIFFERENT ACTION ITEMS. THERE'S A FEW ACTION ITEMS, UM, RELATED TO SPECIFICALLY DES DESIGNATING THE, UH, WAREHOUSE DISTRICT, UM, WHICH HAS ALREADY BEEN IDENTIFIED AS ELIGIBLE.
SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HOW THERE WAS A PREVIOUS SURVEY AND FOUND THAT ELIGIBLE.
AND SO NOW THE, THE RECOMMENDATION IS, IS TO DESIGNATE THAT ALSO ONE OF THE ACTION ITEMS DID INDICATE, UM,
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UH, RECOMMENDING THAT THE CITY STAFF DEVELOP SORT OF A WORK PLAN, UM, RELATED TO HISTORIC RESOURCES AND REPORT REGULARLY TO THIS COMMITTEE ABOUT, UM, ANY DESIGNATIONS IN PROGRESS AND OTHER PRESERVATION ACTIVITIES, UM, TO KIND OF, SO THAT STAFF AND THE COMMITTEE ARE KIND OF BETTER ABLE TO, TO TRACK THOSE KINDS OF THINGS MOVING FORWARD.UM, SO WE THINK THE SURVEY, YOU KNOW, CAN HELP, UH, PRIORITIZE THOSE KINDS OF DESIGNATION EFFORTS.
I THINK WE COULD ALSO, I'M NOT SURE THAT WE INCLUDED IT IN OUR SECTION ABOUT INCENTIVES, WHERE WE LISTED SOME OF THOSE INCENTIVES, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT YOU COULD INCENTIVIZE SOMEONE TO PURSUE DESIGNATION BY EITHER TYING THAT TO A GRANT PROGRAM OR, UM, ANOTHER INCENTIVE.
UH, FOR INSTANCE, THE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T GET AN, YOU CAN'T GET A FEDERAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION TAX CREDIT UNLESS YOU ARE HEADED TOWARD DESIGNATION.
SO THERE'S A WAY TO TIE THOSE THINGS TOGETHER IF SOMEONE WANTED TO, UM, PUT THAT INTO THE LANGUAGE.
UH, AT, AT PRESENT, THE, UM, UH, PATHS TO DESIGNATION IN, IN, IN PETALUMA CODE ARE, IS LIMITED IF SOMEBODY WAS INTERESTED TO APPLYING FOR LANDMARK STATUS, WHICH IS AN EXPENSIVE AND TIME CONSUMING PROCESS.
UM, AND, AND QUITE A THING TO TAKE ON FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER.
SO I, UH, WAS HOPING TO, TO HEAR THAT THE, UH, UH, WORK GROUP WAS, UH, THINKING ABOUT, UH, OTHER PATHS THAT MIGHT BE MORE, UH, REASONABLE TO, UH, DESIGNATION.
UM, AS A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, I'M WONDERING IF THE POINT IS MORE ABOUT MAKING THE ACTUAL PROCESS OF DESIGNATION EASIER THROUGH, UM, LIKE YOUR LOCAL ORDINANCE, OR IF YOU ARE THINKING ABOUT SOMETHING MORE LIKE A, LIKE SOME CITIES HAVE STRUCTURES OF MERIT IN ADDITION TO LANDMARKS WHERE THE THRESHOLD IS A LITTLE BIT LOWER IN TERMS OF THE BAR THAT YOU HAVE TO MEET IN TERMS OF THE LEVEL OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE OR INTEGRITY.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE KIND OF CLEAR ON WHAT THE, THE FEEDBACK IS.
RIGHT? WELL, WITH REGARD TO STRUCTURES OF MERIT, THE, IT'S NOT JUST A QUESTION OF THE BAR, BUT ALSO A QUESTION OF THERE BEING A PROCESS.
UM, AND, UH, UH, EVEN, UH, IF, IF WE HAVE, UH, GOOD SURVEYS, THERE STILL HAS TO BE A PROCESS, A LEGAL CHANGE IN STATUS OF, OF THE PROPERTIES TO, TO BE DESIGNATED AND HISTORICALLY PROTECTED, PROTECTED.
UM, AND, UH, SO I JUST, UH, WAS HOPING THAT SOMETHING WOULD BE IN THE, UH, FRAMEWORK TO, UH, DISCUSS THAT THAT NEXT STEP PLANNING MANAGER HAS SOMETHING TO ADD.
UH, THIS IS, UH, PLANNING MANAGER ANDREW TRIPLE, AND I WANTED TO SHARE WITH, UM, CHRISTINA AND THE REST OF THE TEAM THAT LATER IN THIS MEETING WE'LL BE REVIEWING SOME AD HOC RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, THE HCPC UH, MADE A DECISION TO ORGANIZE AN AD HOC COMMITTEE TO REVIEW, UM, BOTH BROADLY AND SPECIFICALLY EXISTING REGULATIONS AND POLICIES, AND TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO THEM.
ONE OF THOSE AREAS, UH, WAS RELATED TO OUR LANDMARK DESIGNATION PROCESS, AS WELL AS THE STRUCTURES OF MERIT PROGRAM.
AND SO WE DO HAVE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.
OUR PLAN IS TO REVIEW THEM DURING, UH, THIS AFTERNOON'S MEETING SO THAT SOME OF THOSE RECOMMEND RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WOULD RISE TO THE LEVEL AND BE APPROPRIATE TO BE INCLUDED IN THE GENERAL PLAN COULD BE SHARED TO THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE TEAM FOR CONSIDERATION OF ADDITION TO THE FRAMEWORKS.
UH, PLANNING MANAGER TRIPLE, AND I'D CERTAINLY LIKE TO INVITE THE, UM, GENERAL PLAN TEAM TO STICK AROUND FOR THAT DISCUSSION BECAUSE THERE'S, I, I THINK YOU PROBABLY, I UNDERSTAND YOU'VE BEEN FORWARDED THE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF CROSSOVER, UM, WITH THINGS THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE ADDED IN THE GENERAL PLAN.
SO PLEASE STICK AROUND IF YOU HAVE TIME.
UH, COMMITTEE MEMBER, PROVOST, DO YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS? OKAY, GREAT.
UH, HOW ABOUT COMMITTEE MEMBER PEN NGARO? YEAH, THANK YOU, THE CHAIR.
UM, SO, UM, I JUST FOLLOWED ALONG SORT OF THE FOUR, UH, AREAS OR, OR QUESTIONS THAT WERE POSED TO US AND, AND JUST WANTED TO TRACK ALONG WITH THAT WITH SOME OF THE COMMENTS I, UM, PROVIDE.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST ONE, WHAT DO YOU SEE AS THE MOST IMPORTANT POLICIES IN THE FRAMEWORK? UM, SIMILAR TO WHAT, UH, VICE CHAIR VAN OMER MENTIONED,
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UH, UM, HR 1.1, MAINTAINING EXISTING HISTORIC DISTRICTS.UH, OBVIOUSLY I THINK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT.
UM, I, I LIKED SEEING THE COMMENTARY IN THERE UNDER THE, UH, POLICIES ABOUT THE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS AND, AND WHATNOT.
AND I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE START THINKING ABOUT INCORPORATING THOSE INTO HOW PROJECTS GET REVIEWED AS, UM, YOU KNOW, AS THEY MOVE THROUGH A, A REVIEW PROCESS WITH THE CITY.
AND PARTICULARLY HAVING SORT OF A DUAL TRACK PROCESS WHERE IF YOU MEET OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS, IT'S ADMINISTRATIVE AND IT'S, IT'S SIMPLE AND EASY FOR PEOPLE, RIGHT? AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T WANNA MEET THOSE, EXCUSE ME, DOESN'T WANT TO MEET THOSE, UH, OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS, THEN THEY CAN GO THROUGH A DISCRETIONARY PROCESS AND DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, BUT BE CLEAR THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE SORT OF THAT ALTERNATIVE, BUT THAT OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS IS SORT OF THE GOAL HERE WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING TO MAKE THIS EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO SORT OF PROCESS THROUGH AND, AND, AND GET A DESIGNATION IF THEY WANT TO.
RIGHT? AND, AND I THINK THAT SIMPLIFIES THE PROCESS FOR PEOPLE, LOWERS THE COSTS, UM, AND JUST MAKES IT, I THINK, A MORE MANAGEABLE PROCESS.
SO, UH, I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IN THERE.
ONE OF THE OTHER ONES IS JUST SORT OF A MORE SPECIFIC COMMENT, WHICH I'M, YOU KNOW, HOPING TO INCORPORATE IN THE SUBMITTAL, YOU KNOW, ON THE WEBSITE AND EVERYTHING.
BUT UNDER THE TRANSFER OF DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS, UM, COMMENT THERE, I JUST THOUGHT TO MYSELF, WELL, SHOULDN'T WE WANT TO KEEP THOSE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS, RIGHT? IF YOU'RE GONNA TRANSFER THEM FROM, YOU KNOW, AN EXISTING PROJECT AND PUT IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
I THINK WE'VE SEEN, YOU KNOW, IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS THAT THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, SOME UNDERUTILIZED SITES WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS, AND, AND MAYBE IT'S BETTER TO KEEP THEM IN THERE TO MAYBE ENCOURAGE FURTHER DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE, WITHIN THAT, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO JUST, YOU KNOW, A SPECIFIC COMMENT ON ONE OF THE ACTION ITEMS THERE.
UM, THE SECOND POLICY THAT, UM, I, I THOUGHT WAS IMPORTANT, UH, HR 2.1, IDENTIFY AND DESIGNATE HISTORIC RESOURCES FOR OBVIOUS REASONS.
UM, BUT, BUT ALSO FOR GIVING SOME CERTAINTY TO PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING TO, YOU KNOW, BUY A HOME IN THE AREA OR DEVELOP IN THE AREA, RIGHT? HAVING SOME SORT OF IDEA OF WHAT THEY'RE GETTING INTO WHEN THEY GO THERE, RIGHT? IF THERE'S A SURVEY HERE AND, AND THEY, THEY CAN SEE, OKAY, THIS HAS AT LEAST BEEN IDENTIFIED AS HAVING POTENTIAL OR, OR IT DOESN'T AT ALL, RIGHT? IT DOESN'T SHOW UP IN THAT SURVEY OR WHATEVER IT IS.
SO YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE CERTAINTY SORT OF GOING INTO THAT PROCESS.
UM, SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
UM, AND THEN HR 3.3 ENCOURAGE COMPATIBLE ADAPTIVE REUSE.
I, I JUST THINK THAT THAT'S A GREAT, UM, IDEA.
UM, I, I, I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THESE DISTRICTS AS OBVIOUSLY HAVING A HISTORIC CONTEXT TO THEM, BUT, BUT THAT THEY'RE LIVING, BREATHING DISTRICTS, RIGHT? AND THEY NEED TO CHANGE AND, AND SORT OF EVOLVE OVER TIME A LITTLE BIT, AND THE ADAPTIVE REUSE ALLOWS THAT TO HAPPEN.
UM, AND SO I THINK ENCOURAGING THAT THOUGHT PROCESS AND, AND THINKING ABOUT HISTORIC DISTRICTS IN THAT WAY SORT OF OPENS THEM UP A LITTLE BIT MORE.
SO I THINK THOSE ARE THE SORT OF THE THREE THAT ARE THE MOST, UM, IMPORTANT FOR ME.
I THINK, UM, TO THE SECOND QUESTION, WHAT CONCERNS DO YOU HAVE ABOUT THE POLICIES? WHAT'S UNCLEAR, SO ON AND SO FORTH? SO UNDER HR 1.4, UM, IT TALKS ABOUT PROVIDING INCENTIVES FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
I THINK WE PROBABLY, IF POSSIBLE, NEED TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT THOSE INCENTIVES COULD BE.
UM, IN PARTICULAR, SORT OF HOW HISTORIC PRESERVATION TAX CREDITS CAN BE COUPLED WITH OTHER TYPES OF INCENTIVES TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO REHABILITATE AND ALSO SORT OF DEVELOP A, A, A PARTICULAR ASSET, RIGHT? THAT'S WITHIN A, WITHIN A DISTRICT.
SO THINGS LIKE LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDITS, NEW MARKET TAX CREDITS, UM, DOING, UM, LIKE, UH, SORT OF LIKE THE DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM, RIGHT? WHERE YOU SAY, HEY, IF YOU ARE ABLE TO, UH, REHABIL, EXCUSE ME, REHABILITATE THIS, UM, BUILDING TO, UM, FEDERAL STANDARDS, YOU GET RID OF PARKING REQUIREMENTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SOMETHING THAT GIVES AN ADDED INCENTIVE COULD POSSIBLY LOWER, UH, DEVELOPMENT FEES OR COSTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT SO THAT PEOPLE ARE MORE LIKELY TO DO IT, RIGHT? A LOT OF TIMES WHAT HAPPENS, I THINK THERE'S A GAP BETWEEN WHERE YOU SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO DO REHABILITATION, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS TO DO IT, RIGHT? AND SORT OF MEETING SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE AND, AND COVERING
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THAT GAP AND, AND HOW WE, HOW WE FRAME THAT, RIGHT? AND IT'S NOT JUST, UM, REHABILITATION TAX CREDIT.SO THERE'S OTHER WAYS TO DO THAT.
SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO, TO BE, UM, MORE INFORMATIVE ABOUT WHAT'S AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE TO, TO, TO GET THEM TO BE ENCOURAGED TO DO IT.
I, AND I THINK THIS IS A GENERAL PLAN THING, I, I'M NOT SURE NOT, BUT I FEEL LIKE BEING CLEAR THAT HISTORIC PRESERVATION IS NOT, IT CAN BE IN HARMONY WITH ALL THESE OTHER SORT OF GOALS THAT THE PO THAT, THAT THE, THE GENERAL PLAN AND THE CITY SHOULD HAVE IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, UH, FLOOD RESILIENCY, CLIMATE STUFF, HOUSING, ALL OF IT, RIGHT? IT FEELS LIKE A LOT OF TIMES IT'S USED TO PREVENT THINGS FROM HAPPENING AS OPPOSED TO USING IT TO SAY, HEY, HISTORIC PRESERVATION CAN ALSO HELP DO THESE OTHER THINGS, RIGHT? AND IF, IF WE HAVE SOMETHING IN THE POLICY LANGUAGE THAT TALKS ABOUT HOW YOU CAN COMBINE THOSE THINGS, UM, PARTICULARLY I, I ALWAYS THINK ABOUT HOUSING THAT'S JUST SORT OF TOP OF MIND FOR ME.
UM, BUT SORT OF HOW HOUSING AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION CAN WORK TOGETHER TO BE, UM, YOU KNOW, IN HARMONY WHEN THEY'RE, WHEN, WHEN PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT IT, RIGHT? IT, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE, IT FEELS LIKE THEY ARE PUTTING HEADS AND, AND I DON'T THINK THAT, THAT IT SHOULD ALWAYS BE THAT WAY.
SO I THINK IF WE CAN, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO WITH THE POLICY LANGUAGE TO REFLECT THAT, I THINK WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL.
UM, THIS GETS TO, I THINK, COMMITTEE MEMBER PERLIS POINT AND NOT, I DON'T KNOW THERE'S REALLY TALKED ABOUT IN THERE, BUT I, I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT PROPERTY OWNERS ARE THE ONES THAT ARE, ARE THE ONES SEEKING THE DESIGNATIONS THAT THE CITY SHOULDN'T BE, WHILE THEY CAN ENCOURAGE IT AND SAY, HEY, THESE ARE ALL THE PROGRAMS AVAILABLE TO YOU, THAT, THAT IT SHOULD BE A PROPERTY OWNER'S DECISION TO MAKE THAT CHOICE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
UM, AND I THINK THAT'S THE WAY IT'S SET UP RIGHT NOW WITHIN OUR CODE, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT IT STAYS THAT WAY, THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT DECISION, RIGHT? IT SHOULDN'T BE TAKEN FROM WHOEVER IT IS THAT ACTUALLY OWNS THE RIGHTS ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
SO, UM, WHAT ELSE? YEAH, THERE'S OTHER SPECIFIC COMMENTS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT I, I THINK I'LL SUBMIT, UM, SEPARATELY, BUT, UM, I, I THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOMETHING IN HERE ABOUT ELIMINATING OR MINIMIZING PARKING REQUIREMENTS WITHIN HISTORIC DISTRICTS THAT WE SHOULD GET AWAY WITH THAT.
I MEAN, WHEN THEY WERE BUILT, THERE WERE NO CARS, RIGHT? WHY ARE, WHY ARE WE SAYING THERE SHOULD BE PARKING AND PEOPLE SHOULD BE DRIVING THROUGH? I MEAN, WE SHOULD BE ELIMINATING THOSE AND, AND ENCOURAGING WAYS TO ELIMINATE THOSE.
MAYBE THAT'S PART OF THE INCENTIVES AND TALKING ABOUT IT THAT WAY.
UH, BUT I, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR, FOR US TO BE TALKING ABOUT WITHIN THOSE DISTRICTS, ESPECIALLY THE, THE, THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT DOWNTOWN.
UM, AND THERE WAS LANGUAGE IN THERE ABOUT PEDESTRIAN STUFF.
WHAT ELSE HERE? UM, SO I, I THINK THAT WAS ALL FOR THE SECOND QUESTION ON THE HISTORIC RESOURCES.
UM, UM, VICE CHAIR VAN OMAN MENTIONED A NUMBER OF 'EM, AND, AND I THINK TALKING ABOUT THE RIVERFRONT IS IMPORTANT, BUT WHETHER THE TRESTLE IS PART OF THAT, I JUST THINK THAT THAT HAS TO BE DEALT WITH.
I THINK EVERYONE PROBABLY THINKS THAT'S A NOTHING NEW THERE.
UM, AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION, DOES THE FRAMEWORK INCLUDE THE NECESSARY INCENTIVES? I TALKED ABOUT THAT A LOT.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO, WHERE WE SHOULD FOCUS A LOT OF ENERGY ON THE POLICY LANGUAGE AND TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW WE CAN COUPLE HISTORIC PRESERVATION CREDITS WITH OTHER THINGS AND, AND OTHER DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES TO ENCOURAGE, UM, PEOPLE TO REHABILITATE WHEN THEY CAN AND, AND BE WILLING TO DO IT AND NOT THINK, OH MY GOD, I'M GONNA, YOU KNOW, I'M IN FOR, YOU KNOW, A HEFTY BILL HERE IF I WANNA DO THIS.
SO I'M JUST NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING.
SO ANYWAY, I THINK THAT'S MY COMMENT.
I GUESS THAT LEAVES ME, UM, I HAVE, UM, SEVERAL COMMENTS AND I'VE KIND OF ORGANIZED THEM IN A, IN IN GENERAL SENSE AND THEN RESPONSE TO THE QUESTIONS.
AND THEN I HAVE SOME SPECIFIC COMMENTS ON THE, UM, ACTUAL FRAMEWORKS AND SOME RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, SO I'M GONNA START WITH SOME REAL GENERAL COMMENTS MORE FOR THE, UM, THE GENERAL PLAN TEAM.
AND I REALIZE, YOU KNOW, UM, BEING ON THE GPAC ALSO, I, I REALIZED IN REVIEWING THIS THAT, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE FROM HERE.
AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN GREAT TO SEE THIS PROCESS EVOLVE TO THE POINT NOW
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WHERE WE HAVE POLICIES IN FRONT OF US AND KIND OF SEEING THE VISION AND THE PILLARS EVOLVE INTO THESE POLICIES.AND WHAT I'VE FOUND IS THAT MAYBE I'D LIKE TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND LOOK AT THE VISION AND THE PILLARS A LITTLE BIT, UM, AND THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES.
AND, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A ONE PAGE HERE WHERE I'VE ADDED THREE OR FOUR WORDS, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE VERY USEFUL TO, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR ONE, THE VISION NEEDS A STATEMENT THAT KNOW SOMEHOW THAT WE'RE FORTUNATE TO HAVE A PRESERVED COLLECTION OF BUILDINGS THAT'S REPRESENTATIVE OF OUR ENTIRE HISTORY AS A CITY.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH IN THERE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WHAT WE HAVE IS REALLY SPECIAL.
UM, AND SAME WITH THE, THE PILLARS.
THERE'S NOT REALLY A STATEMENT THAT STATES THAT OUR HISTORIC INTEGRITY IS REALLY A KEY CONTRIBUTOR, OUR, TO OUR SENSE OF PLACE.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SO THAT THERE'S SOME REAL VALUE THERE.
AND I THINK, SO I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND ASK IF WE CAN MAYBE MAKE SOME MINOR EDITS TO THE VISION AND THE PILLARS AND THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES DO A, A BETTER JOB.
I THINK THERE'S, UM, NUMBER 11 HAS A LOT OF GREAT ITEMS THAT I THINK REALLY SPEAK TO THAT INFORM THIS, UM, ELEMENT WELL, BUT THEN THERE ARE OTHER ONES LIKE ITEM 10, WHICH REALLY NEEDS TO CHANGE IT.
UM, YOU KNOW, NOT TO GET TOO DETAILED IN IT, BUT IT, IT KIND OF MAKES TWO CONFLICTING STATEMENTS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD PRESERVE OUR HISTORIC DOWNTOWN, AND THEN IT JUST DESCRIBES WAYS WE SHOULD CHANGE IT.
SO I THINK THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT CONCEPTS THERE THAT NEED TO BE SPLIT OUT.
UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF UPFRONT THINGS.
UM, THEN MOVING ON TO, UM, JUST RESPONDING TO THE QUESTIONS OF THAT ARE IN THE STAFF REPORT, AND THAT RON HAD ASKED US FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE MOST IMPORTANT POLICIES, MY REACTION WAS NOT IN SPECIFIC POLICIES SO MUCH, BUT IN CONCEPTS THAT I THINK ARE VERY IMPORTANT AND THAT DO KIND OF RECUR, OR SOME OF 'EM MAYBE DON'T ENOUGH.
UM, SPECIFICALLY, UM, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THERE'S SOME HIGHLIGHT PLACED ON THE VALUE OF OUR HISTORIC INTEGRITY, THE ECONOMIC VALUE, AND THE PUBLIC BENEFIT OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAVE.
UM, AGAIN, IT'S A, IT'S VERY MUCH WHAT MAKES PETALUMA SPECIAL.
IT BENEFITS EVERYBODY IN PETALUMA, THE FACT THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING SO SPECIAL.
AND I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE HIGHLIGHTED IN, IN GOALS AND ALSO THROUGHOUT THE OTHER PLAN ELEMENTS.
AND I'LL GET TO THAT A LITTLE LATER.
UM, NEXT, FOR IMPORTANT POLICIES, I THINK ANYTHING THAT FACILITATES ADAPTIVE REUSE AND CONSERVATION OF THE RESOURCES IS IMPORTANT.
UM, BUT I THINK THAT'S AS A THEME, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD KINDA BE RESTATED.
UM, THEN MOST IMPORTANTLY TO, TO ME, IS THE CONCEPT OF ESTABLISHING AND FUNDING A HISTORIC RESOURCES PROGRAM.
UM, SOMETHING THAT'S, UM, MORE AS, UM, PAUL SAID THAT SOMETHING THAT'S, OR I THINK MAYBE IT WAS TOM SAID, IT WAS JUST MORE, UM, PROACTIVE THAN REACTIVE.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT JUST HERE TO RESPOND TO APPLICATIONS, BUT WE REALLY NEED A COMPREHENSIVE PROGRAM, UM, THAT, THAT IT CAN ADMINISTER ALL KINDS OF, OF, UM, HISTORIC RESOURCES, CONSERVATION OPPORTUNITIES AND, AND EDUCATION AND ENGAGEMENT WITH THE COMMUNITY.
UM, CONCERNS ABOUT THE FRAMEWORK.
I, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THE LANGUAGE, JUST TOO MUCH ENCOURAGEMENT AND CONSIDERATION.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT MORE DIRECTIVE, UM, IN A LOT OF PLACES.
AND I, AGAIN, I HAVE A MARKUP WHERE I HAVE SPECIFIC ITEMS CALLED OUT.
UM, THEN I THINK THERE ARE SOME ORGANIZATIONAL ISSUES THAT I'M GONNA GET TO IN A MINUTE WHEN I GET INTO THE SPECIFICS.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, IN GENERAL, I THINK THIS IS A FANTASTIC ELEMENT OF, OF ALL THE ELEMENTS I'VE REVIEWED OR THE FRAMEWORKS, THIS IS BY FAR, UM, THE MOST COMPLETE AND THE MOST, YOU KNOW, ACTIONABLE AND AS RESPONSE TO THE EARLY INPUT THAT WE PROVIDED AND WHAT WE HAVE.
I THINK IT'S REALLY FANTASTIC.
TALKING ABOUT UNPROTECTED RESOURCES, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I JUST HAVE TO START BY SAYING THAT OUR RIVERFRONT TRESTLE IS LIKE ABSOLUTELY THE MOST IMPERILED.
AND I, IT'S JUST, IT'S SO UNFORTUNATE THAT PEOPLE DON'T SEE THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE STRUCTURE IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTY AND OUR REGION.
AND ALSO THE OPPORTUNITY IN THE, THE POTENTIAL FOR IT TO BE AN ECONOMIC CATALYST FOR DOWNTOWN.
I, I JUST THINK THAT REHABILITATION OF THAT STRUCTURE SHOULD BE A GOAL IN ITSELF.
UM, AND THEN THERE ARE OTHER RAILROAD FACILITIES THROUGHOUT TOWN, LIKE THE TRACKS AND THE STREETS AND OCCASIONAL, YOU KNOW, JUST ARTIFACTS HERE AND THERE THAT ALL SEEM TO TELL A STORY THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN I MOVED TO TOWN, WHICH WASN'T THAT LONG AGO, BUT IT WAS, SEEMED LIKE MUCH MORE OF A RAILROAD TOWN, AND IT, TO ME, THAT WAS A REALLY CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURE.
AND, UM, AND THEY ARE, AND EVEN JUST, YOU KNOW, REMINDING ME OF THAT TIME, WHICH WASN'T, YOU KNOW, I THINK THESE HAVE A LOT OF VALUE AND WE'RE JUST LOSING THEM, YOU KNOW, ONE BY ONE.
I I THINK THEY SHOULD BE CALLED OUT.
IT'S, THEY'RE LISTED IN THE, UM, YOU KNOW, UPFRONT
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IN THE, UM, I THINK IN THE PILLARS, BUT THERE'S NO, THERE ARE NO ACTION ITEMS ABOUT PROTECTING THESE, THESE RESOURCES.UM, SIMILARLY, THE RIVER IS LINED WITH OLD PIERS AND BRIDGE ABUTMENTS AND REVETMENTS, AND JUST THINGS THAT ALL, YOU KNOW, KIND OF TELL A STORY ABOUT THE HISTORY OF OUR TOWN.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHERE WE, WE NEED SOME SORT OF OTHER SORT OF DESIGNATION WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA LANDMARK THE RIVER, BUT WE COULD ACKNOWLEDGE THESE AND MAYBE THROUGH, IF WE HAD A PROGRAM OF SOME KIND, WE COULD MAP THEM AND THERE COULD BE, YOU KNOW, A STORY ABOUT 'EM, OR IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER LEVEL OF RESOURCE THAT SHOULD BE IDENTIFIED FOR PEOPLE TO APPRECIATE AND FOR SOME LEVEL OF PROTECTION.
UM, THEN THERE ARE OTHER CITY OWNED BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE FIRE STATION NUMBER ONE, WHICH SHOULD BE A LANDMARK.
AND I DON'T THINK IT'S REALLY THREATENED OR ANYTHING, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT BUILDING A NEW FIRE STATION THAT'LL BE REPURPOSED, IT WOULD BE GREAT FOR THE CITY TO TAKE THE LEAD AND, YOU KNOW, SET A GREAT EXAMPLE IN LANDMARK, IT'S BUILDING.
UM, AND THEN THERE ARE OTHER CITY PROPERTIES LIKE THE MA HOUSE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, I THINK WAS POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT AT ITS TIME, BUT NOW IT'S JUST SORT OF MELTING INTO THE FIELD OUT THERE, AND IT'S JUST SORT OF REPRESENTATIVE OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN HAPPEN.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE CITY IS KIND OF GUILTY OF DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT IN THAT SENSE, AND, UM, THAT'S SORT OF A BAD EXAMPLE.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD ACKNOWLEDGE.
UM, UM, AND THEN NEXT, YOU KNOW, WHAT INCENTIVES OR ARE THERE ADEQUATE INCENTIVES? AND, UM, I THINK THERE ARE SEVERAL GREAT ONES.
UM, AND I THINK THEY COULD BE BETTER ORGANIZED THOUGH, YOU KNOW, I THINK, AS PAUL SAID, INCENTIVIZING, YOU KNOW, THIS, WE NEED TO REMOVE THE STIGMA OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AS ANY KIND OF A BURDEN.
YOU KNOW, IT COSTS TOO MUCH, IT'S TOO REGULATED, IT'S A PROBLEM.
SO INCENTIVES ARE A, A REALLY IMPORTANT PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN.
AND I THINK, UM, THERE ARE MANY OF 'EM IN HERE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM BETTER ORGANIZED.
AND, UM, AND THIS KIND OF LEADS ME TO SOME SPECIFIC COMMENTS.
AND AGAIN, I, I WANNA RE RESTATE THAT.
I THINK THIS FRAMEWORK IS FANTASTIC.
I THINK IT CON INCLUDES ALMOST EVERYTHING WE COULD HOPE FOR.
AND, UM, IN GENERAL, IT'S, IT'S GREAT, IT'S WELL ORGANIZED, IT'S COMPLETE.
UM, BUT A FEW GENERAL RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO FIRST OF ALL, IN THE FRONT END, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW THAT THERE'S GONNA BE SOME OF THIS JUST, WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE AGAIN, THAT THERE IS A SECTION DESCRIBING THE PUBLIC BENEFIT OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND OF WHAT WE HAVE PRESERVED.
UM, SO ECONOMIC BENEFITS AND THE BENEFITS, LIKE IN OUR CURRENT GENERAL PLAN, THERE'S, THERE IS AN UP FRONT SECTION THAT HAS, YEAH, I THINK THE, UM, THE SHIPPO'S DESCRIPTION OF, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC BENEFITS AND OF WHAT IS HISTORIC RESOURCES.
AND I THINK THAT'S GREAT, AND WE NEED TO DEFINITELY INCLUDE THAT.
UM, WE ALSO ANOTHER STATEMENT THAT THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY THAT WE HAVE, AND IT PROVIDES ECONOMIC BENEFIT TO THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY, AND ITS, UM, YOU KNOW, BUSINESSES, RESIDENTS, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S WORTH INVESTING IN.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR OUR GENERAL PLAN TO SAY THAT, THAT THIS IS A CHARACTER DEFINING ELEMENT OF OUR COMMUNITY, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD INVEST IN AND, AND BE CONSCIOUS OF AND, AND ACTIVELY, UM, UM, PRESERVING AND PROTECTING.
UM, THEN I'M, I'M MOVE ON TO THE SPECIFIC FRAMEWORK GOALS.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, JUST, UM, I MIGHT HAVE, UM, KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WHEN HANNAH WAS KIND OF READING THROUGH THE SUMMARY, I SORT OF, A LIGHT WENT ON.
I THOUGHT, OKAY, MAYBE I MISINTERPRETED THE INTENT OF THE, OF THE GOAL.
UM, AND MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE I WANTED IT TO BE SOMETHING SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT.
SO, UH, THIS IS JUST FOR CONSIDERATION, UM, YOU KNOW, GOAL HR ONE, POLICIES, PROGRAMS, AND PROCESSES.
UM, THE FIRST POLICY IS MAINTAIN EXISTING DISTRICTS, BUT I REALLY SEE THIS WHOLE GOAL AS SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
AND I THINK THAT SOME OF THE, UH, POLICIES AND ACTIONS SHOULD BE REARRANGED A LITTLE BIT TO REINFORCE THE KEY CONCEPTS AND TO SORT OF CONSOLIDATE ACTIONS SUCH AS, UM, THE INCENTIVES, YOU KNOW, TO CONSOLIDATE THOSE, AND THEN ALSO CONSIDER THE SORT OF SUCCESSION OF ACTIONS WHICH MIGHT OCCUR.
SO, UM, IT JUST SEEMED TO ME THAT THIS GOAL, HR ONE, WAS MORE ABOUT ESTABLISHING A PROGRAM, YOU KNOW, NOT SPECIFICALLY TO PROTECT OUR EXISTING DISTRICTS, BUT TO ESTABLISH A PROGRAM TO FUND THE PROGRAM, TO REWRITE AND OL CONSOLIDATE AND CLARIFY OUR ORDINANCES TO ENCOURAGE AND INCENTIVIZE AND FACILITATE PRESERVATION.
AND FINALLY, TO PROHIBIT DEMOLITION.
SO IT'S SORT OF MORE ABOUT CREATING THE PROGRAM, FUNDING THE PROGRAM, AND INSTEAD OF BEING ABOUT MAINTAINING OUR DISTRICTS, IT'S MORE ABOUT WE NEED A GOAL THAT SAYS, LET'S CREATE A PROGRAM THAT DOES ALL THESE THINGS.
IT MAINTAINS THE DISTRICTS, CREATES NEW DISTRICTS,
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EVALUATES PROPERTIES, EDUCATES PEOPLE.SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, AND I THINK IT'S ALREADY THERE, JUST WITH A LITTLE REORGANIZATION INSTEAD OF BEING, UM, IT'S STILL RELATED TO POLICIES AND PROGRAMS, BUT IT'S MORE ABOUT CREATING A MASTER PROGRAM.
THEN, UM, THE NEXT GOAL, THE AESTHETIC AND CULTURAL HISTORIC CONTRIBUTIONS.
UM, I THINK THIS IS, IS GREAT, BUT I THINK THIS SHOULD BE THE FIRST GOAL.
YOU KNOW, IT'S MORE LIKE, IDENTIFY, THEN MANAGE AND REGULATE, YOU KNOW, SO I, I, UM, I LIKE THAT AS IS.
I HAVE SOME SPECIFIC, YOU KNOW, JUST EDITS THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND.
BUT, UM, I THINK, UH, THAT SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THAT SHOULD BE THE FIRST GOAL.
AND THEN THE ONE ABOUT THE PROGRAM AND THE POLICIES AND EVERYTHING, WHICH SHOULD BE THE SECOND GOAL.
THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, HR THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE I THINK ARE, ARE FANTASTIC.
AND I DO HAVE A SERIES OF EDITS AND WHICH I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH, BUT I'LL SUBMIT.
UM, BUT I DO WANT TO THROW OUT SOME HIGHLIGHTS.
I THINK OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT MIGHT BE MISSING OR NOT CLEARLY ENOUGH, UM, NOT, MAYBE NOT STRONG ENOUGH THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ADDED THAT I THINK ARE IMPORTANT ADS.
UM, SO ONE IS TO EXPAND ON POTENTIAL FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES TO CREATE THIS PROGRAM WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, THERE ARE MENTION OF OPPORTUNITIES IN THERE, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE A SECTION, YOU KNOW, HOW TO FUND A HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROGRAM.
UM, AGAIN, MORE EMPHASIS ON THE BENEFITS OF, UM, WHAT WE HAVE AND WHY WE SHOULD PROTECT IT.
AND EVEN SORT OF HIGH LEVEL SORT OF COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS OF, YOU KNOW, OKAY, WHAT'S THE ECONOMIC VALUE OF PRESERVING THIS AND WHAT'S IT GONNA COST TO STAFF A PROGRAM? THAT KIND OF A THING.
AND THEN ANOTHER BIG, UM, I THINK WOULD BE A FANTASTIC GOAL.
THIS, NOT REALLY, THEY'RE HINTS AT IT IN HERE, BUT I THINK WHAT WOULD BE GREAT, WE, WE JUST SAW THIS IN BERKELEY WHERE THEY HAVE WHAT THEY CALL AN ELAC PROGRAM, AND I THINK WE COULD DO SOMETHING SIMILAR WHERE IT'S SORT OF AN ONLINE INVENTORY OF ALL OF OUR SITES AND RESOURCES OF HISTORIC INTEREST, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING FROM HERITAGE HOMES TO LANDMARKS TO STRUCTURES OF MERIT OR, YOU KNOW, THE RAILROAD AND RIVER, YOU KNOW, HISTORIC FACILITIES.
AND IT COULD JUST BE SOME KIND OF A THING THAT PEOPLE COULD ACCESS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CITY COULD MARKET AS THE, YOU KNOW, THE HISTORY TRAIL.
AND IT INCLUDES ALL LEVELS OF RECOGNITION, BUT IT'S SORT OF A CONSOLIDATED, UM, INVENTORY OF ALL OF OUR HISTORIC RESOURCES.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE A, A GREAT GOAL, YOU KNOW.
UM, SO, UM, LET'S SEE, JUST A COUPLE MORE.
UM, AGAIN, A GOAL THAT SOMEHOW IMPLIES THAT WE CAN MAXIMIZE THE ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY OF OUR HISTORIC INTEGRITY.
UM, I THINK I'VE ALREADY COVERED THAT.
UM, ALSO, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT EDUCATION AND OUTREACH, BUT YOU KNOW, NOTHING ABOUT A PROGRAM IN OUR SCHOOLS.
UM, YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS SAY THE FOURTH GRADERS LEARN MORE ABOUT THE MISSION IN CARMEL THAN THEY DO ABOUT OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE MENTION, I KNOW WE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE A REAL NEXUS WITH PETAL IN THE CITY SCHOOLS, BUT IT SHOULD BE A GOAL, OR AT LEAST AN ACTION ITEM THAT WE CAN GET A SCHOOL PROGRAM, UM, ANOTHER ACTION ITEM OR A POLICY THAT WE PRESERVE THE HISTORIC HOMES IN ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT WHERE, YOU KNOW, NOT REALLY ENCOURAGING A LOT OF NEW SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED DEVELOPMENTS, BUT WE'VE RECENTLY HAD A FEW WHERE DEVELOPERS HAVE JUST DECIDED THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN GET MORE UNITS IF THEY DEMOLISH THE HISTORIC HOME.
AND THANKFULLY, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE PRESERVED AND THEY'VE BEEN GREAT RESULT, AND WE'RE LUCKY TO HAVE 'EM.
AND I THINK IT'S THROUGH EFFORTS OF OUR PLANNING STAFF AND VOLUNTEERS THAT THAT'S HAPPENED.
SO IT SHOULD BE A POLICY IN THE GENERAL PLAN.
UM, ANOTHER ONE IS THAT WE DO NEED TO CONSOLIDATE THE SMART CODE AND THE IEO INTO A SINGLE HISTORIC RESOURCES CODE.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S UP IN THE FRONT END, YOU KNOW, OF THE ONE WITH THE POLICIES AND PROCESSES, BUT I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A, UM, AN ACTION ITEM.
UM, THEN ANOTHER POLICY SOMEWHERE.
UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE IN HR THREE, BUT, UM, WE NEED TO ALLOW FOR INNOVATION AND FLEXIBILITY, YOU KNOW, UM, TOWARD THE GOAL OF ADAPTIVE REUSE.
WE KIND OF HANG OUR HAT ON THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, BUT I KNOW SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THIS COMMITTEE, WE'VE SEEN A COUPLE OF WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER PRETTY REASONABLE APPLICATIONS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, SOMEHOW OR OTHER HAVE BEEN, UM, ROADBLOCKED BY AN INTERPRETATION OF THE STANDARDS.
SO I JUST THINK WE NEED TO, WE NEED AS MANY WINS AS WE CAN GET.
WE NEED OPPORTUNITIES FOR ADAPTIVE REUSE.
SO IF WE CAN ALLOW FOR INNOVATION AND HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY, I THINK THAT'S A, UM, THAT'S A GOOD POLICY.
UM, OF COURSE, WE DO THE CITYWIDE
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SURVEY.I, YOU KNOW, CAN'T SAY THAT ENOUGH, UH, FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, JUST SO PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GETTING INTO SO THAT WHEN AN APPLICATION'S FILED, IT'S KNOWN, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S POTENTIALLY, IF IT'S POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT, IF IT NEEDS TO BE EVALUATED TO WHAT LEVEL.
UM, AND ALSO ANOTHER, I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS, UM, A GOAL OR POLICY OR ACTION, BUT SOMEHOW, UH, MAYBE IT'S IN THE FRONT END, SOMETHING THAT STATES THAT, YOU KNOW, HISTORIC RESOURCES AND CONSERVATION IS NOT PROHIBITIVE, RIGHT? WE JUST, IT NEEDS TO BE A KIND OF A, A STATEMENT OF A THEME THAT IT SHOULDN'T BE SEEN AS PROHIBITIVE OR RESTRICTIVE.
IT SHOULD BE OPPORTUNITY BASED, AND IT SHOULD BE ECONOMIC BENEFIT HIGHLIGHTED.
UM, SO THOSE ARE KIND OF ADDITIONAL GOALS I WOULD LIKE TO, AND POLICIES AND ACTIONS I WOULD CONSIDER ADDING.
UM, AND THEN A LAST THING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WITH ALL THE ELEMENTS, WE HAVE A LOT OF OVERLAP.
I THINK WE ALL, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS ON GPAC A LOT, YOU KNOW, EVERY, AND THERE'S A NEED TO SORT OF COMPARTMENTALIZE THINGS, BUT I THINK FOR A CITY LIKE PETALUMA, THIS HISTORIC PRESERVATION IN OUR COMMUNITY CHARACTER, REALLY, IT NEEDS TO BE RESTATED AND IT SHOULD TURN UP IN A LOT OF OTHER ELEMENTS.
AND I'M JUST GONNA THROW OUT THE ONE EXAMPLE IS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UM, FRAMEWORK.
YOU KNOW, THERE ARE ALL THESE OPPORTUNITIES TO SORT OF LEVERAGE THE ASSET THAT IS OUR HISTORIC INTEGRITY, BUT THERE'S NO MENTION OF THAT.
YOU KNOW, THERE ARE, THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES, BUT THIS ONE NEEDS TO BE ACKNOWLEDGED.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S REAL, UM, BENEFIT THERE.
AND, YOU KNOW, HERITAGE TOURISM IS MENTIONED AND IT'S COME UP, BUT IT'S A BIGGER DEAL.
YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'VE HEARD THAT ALREADY, THAT, UM, IT JUST, IT'S UNDERSTATED.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE POLICIES WHEREVER THEY, YOU KNOW, I WON'T GO INTO TOO MUCH, UM, OTHER ELEMENTS, BUT THAT'S ONE THAT I THINK SORT OF WAS GLARING TO ME, YOU KNOW, THE LACK OF, UM, ACKNOWLEDGEMENT.
THAT WAS MY SUMMARY, BELIEVE IT OR NOT.
UM, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMITTEE MEMBERS COMMENTS TO ADD OR ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE CONSULTANT TEAM OR STAFF? YEAH, THANK YOU, CHAIR REINHARDT.
I JUST WAS ALSO GOING TO ASK THE TEAM, IF ANY, IF THERE WERE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, ABOUT CHAIR REINHARDT'S COMMENTS OR ABOUT, UM, COMMITTEE MEMBER RO SORRY IF I'M SAYING THAT WRONG.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR VERY MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
I THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE QUITE CLEAR.
I DON'T HAVE MY OWN QUESTIONS, AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING YOUR MORE DETAILED COMMENT.
UM, SO I THINK THAT SORT OF WRAPS UP THE WORKSHOP.
UM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? UM, AGAIN, I WANNA ENCOURAGE THE TEAM TO STICK AROUND FOR OUR NEXT ITEM.
UM, AND, UH, AND THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE WORK ON THIS FRAMEWORK.
AGAIN, I THINK THIS IS THE BEST OF THE BUNCH SO FAR THAT I'VE SEEN.
AND, UM, PLEASED TO SEE WHERE IT GOES.
AND I WANT TO THANK THE TEAM FOR, FOR COMING.
AND I, I SHARE YOUR ADMIRATION OF PAIGE AND TURNBULL'S WORK, SO THANK YOU.
YEAH, THANK YOU FOR MAKING TIME.
UM, I'LL GO OFFLINE, BUT IT, IT, CAN I STAY? I CAN'T STAY.
IS THIS GONNA BE ON, ON THE WHOLE TIME OR IS THIS A SPECIFIC, UM, ZOOM CALL FOR THE ZOOM WILL WILL BE OPEN FOR THE WHOLE MEETING.
WELL, I'M GONNA GO OFFLINE, BUT WHILE I COMMUTE HOME, BUT I'LL LISTEN IN.
THANK YOU, RON, I DARE YOU TO STAY.
I'M GONNA DEFER TO THE SPECIALISTS ON THIS ONE.
BUT THANK YOU FOR THE INVITATION AND THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE TIME ON YOUR AGENDA AND THE FANTASTIC COMMENTS, EVERYBODY.
OKAY, THAT'LL CLOSE ITEM TWO, AND WE'LL MOVE ON
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TO, UM, UM, COMMITTEE COMMENT, WHICH I THINK, UM, WE'RE GONNA START WITH AN UPDATE FROM COMMITTEE MEMBER VAN OMRON ON SOME GREAT NEWS ABOUT NATIONAL HISTORIC PATIENT PRESERVATION MONTH AND OTHER ACTIVITIES.ONE IS ON, UM, PAL LUA WOMEN'S CLUB HAS, UH, APPLIED FOR, UM, NATIONAL REGISTER, UM, DESIGNATION.
AND, UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THAT APPLICATION PROCESS AND IT'S, IT WAS REVIEWED AT THE STATE LEVEL, UH, LAST WEEK.
AND SO NOW IT'S JUST GOING TO THE NATIONAL LEVEL JUST FOR REGISTRATION, BUT, SO IT'S NOT OFFICIAL OFFICIAL YET, BUT, UM, IT SHOULD BE IN, IN THE NEXT COMING MONTHS OR SO.
SO, UM, UM, I, I DO WANNA SHARE, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, IT'S IN THE, IT'S ALREADY IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
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UM, AND SO, UM, IT, YOU KNOW, IT TOOK, I WAS, WE WERE ABLE TO CONVINCE HIM THAT THERE WOULD BE NO ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, UH, REVIEWS OR ANYTHING.SO, AND THE OTHER COMMENT IS, UH, ITS HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH, NATIONAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH.
IT STARTED ON, UM, UH, MAY 1ST.
UM, WE HAVE A SERIES OF EVENTS ACTUALLY LAST NIGHT.
UH, WE RECEIVED THE PROCLAMATION, UH, FOR, FROM CITY COUNCIL.
UM, SO BOTH, UH, STACY ASHLEY, WHO'S THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE MUSEUM, UH, AND I, UH, RECEIVED A PROCLAMATION AND SAID A FEW WORDS OF THANKS.
UH, RELATED TO THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE MUSEUM HAS REALLY STEPPED UP THIS YEAR, UH, AS FAR AS, UH, HELPING, UH, LEADERSHIP OF STACY AND THEN, UH, AS WELL AS A SMALL COMMUNITY AS WELL AS KATHERINE REINHARDT, UH, HISTORIAN HAS REALLY STEPPED UP AS WELL.
AND WE STARTED OFF ACTUALLY WITH A, UH, A WORKSHOP BY, UM, DAN ZACK WHO CAME IN, UM, WHO, UH, DID A PRESENTATION AT THE MUSEUM FOR THE PUBLIC, AND THEN THE NEXT DAY FOR, FOR CITY STAFF.
AND SO THAT WAS KIND OF A KICKOFF, UH, FOR THAT.
UH, OTHER EVENTS, UM, WE HAVE ON MAY 15TH, WE HAVE A PRESENTATION RELATED TO, UH, PRESERVATION TOURISM.
UH, SO WELCOME TO SIGN UP FOR THAT.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE A SCAVENGER HUNT THAT HAS BEEN, UH, COORDINATED BY, UH, LOCAL HISTORIAN CATHERINE REINHARDT AND CONNIE WILLIAMS FROM THE LIBRARY.
SO IT'S KIND, AND IT'S FOR ALL AGES, SO WE'RE ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE, IN THE SCAVENGER AND SEE YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF LOCAL HISTORY WILL BE TESTED.
UM, AND THEN WE DID HAVE SOME VICTORIAN HOME TOURS SCHEDULED, UH, THREE OF THEM SCHEDULED, BUT DUE TO LOW REGISTRATION, UH, WE'VE DECIDED TO CANCEL THOSE.
UM, SO WE'LL HAVE TO REVISIT THOSE.
UH, NEXT YEAR WE USED TO DO HERITAGE HOMES, UM, BUT THAT'S ALSO NOT IN PLAY RIGHT NOW.
UH, SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR, FOR OTHER, UH, ACTIVITIES, UH, RELATED TO THAT.
SO IT'S A COMBINATION OF CELEBRATING OUR LOCAL HISTORY, BUT ALSO KIND OF MESSAGING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF PREVENTION.
ANY QUESTIONS? HOW DO YOU GET STARTED ON THE SCAVENGER HUNT?
UH,
ACTUALLY, APPLICATION PROCESS STARTED A VERY, VERY LONG TIME AGO, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS AGO.
AND IT WAS ACTUALLY DONE BY A SONOMA STATE STUDENT, UH, WHO WAS WORKING WITH A, UH, PROFESSOR THERE.
AND THAT APPLICATION HAS BEEN KIND OF JUST LINGERING.
UM, SO THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL EFFORTS, UH, FROM PEOPLE TRYING TO GET THE APPLICATION, UM, BUT IT WAS DONE BY A STUDENT AND, UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, OTHER PEOPLE REVIEWED IT, ET CETERA.
AND, UH, I DO WANNA SAY THAT THE STATES WAS VERY HELPFUL WITH THE PROCESS AS WELL.
SO, UM, AND SO THAT, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WAS GREAT IN ITSELF TOO.
AND, UM, AND CONVINCING THE WOMEN'S CLUB THAT BEING ON THE REGISTER IS IMPORTANT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THE WOMEN'S CLUB EVER DISAPPEARS, THE BUILDING WILL ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, BE ON THAT REGISTER.
SO, UM, TALKING TO PEOPLE ABOUT WHAT IT MEANS TO BE ON THE REGISTER AND, UM, IS I THINK, REALLY IMPORTANT MOVING FORWARD FOR US TO DO, UH, ANY KIND OF LANDMARKING OR REGISTER OR ANY KIND OF PRESERVATION.
YEAH, I LISTENED IN TO THE HEARING WHEN THE, UM, PARKS DEPARTMENT WAS REVIEWING IT, AND I, I GOTTA SAY, IT SORT OF REINFORCED MY SENSE OF IMPORTANCE OF LANDMARK STATUS.
I, I WAS, I WAS KINDA MOVED BY IT.
ANYWAY, THANKS FOR DOING THAT, ANNOUNCING IT.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMITTEE MEMBER COMMENTS BEFORE? I THINK WE'LL TURN IT OVER TO ISABELLE TO, UM, REVIEW THE MEMO SHE'S PREPARED ON THE AD HOC COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATIONS, AND I THINK WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THAT.
RIGHT, ISABELLE? WE TAKE IT AWAY.
AND I, I'D LIKE TO REITERATE TO VICE CHAIR VAN AMRAN FOR ALL THE WORK, UH, INCORPORATED IN THIS PAST YEAR FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH.
IT'S BEEN VERY, UH, WELCOMING, UH, JOINING VARIOUS COMMITTEES AND PART OF THE MUSEUMS FOR ACTIVE AND ENGAGEMENT CONVERSATIONS.
UM, SO LOTS OF ACTIVITIES THIS MONTH AND HOPE TO CONTINUE IN CONVERSATIONS FOR IDEAS, UH, AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, WHAT I HAVE FOR DISCUSSION, UH, AS AND AS A FOLLOW UP TO A PLANNING MEMO, IS A RESPONSE TO
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THE AD HOC COMMITTEE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS.UH, AND AS SUMMARY, THIS AD HOC, UH, WAS FORMED IN APRIL OF 2023, UH, FOR THE PURPOSES OF SHARING OF RECOMMENDATIONS IN GENERAL TO THE IZO, UH, THE SMART CODE, AND, UH, ANY, ANY GENERAL RECOMMENDATIONS TO HISTORIC PRESERVATION, UM, THE INTENTIONS ARE TO, WERE TO ENSURE THE RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, FOR CITY STAFF, UH, FOR DISCUSSION AND HOW THAT COULD BE, UH, IMPLEMENTED IN THE COMING YEARS.
UH, SO THIS PLANNING MEMO RESPONDS TO RECOMMENDATIONS SHARED, UH, FROM, UH, THE AD HOC COMMITTEE MEMBERS OF BILL REINHART AND JOHN PERLIS.
UM, AND THERE WAS VAR VARIOUS, MANY, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS THAT OVERLAPPED.
SO THIS MEMO STRUCTURES, UH, THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN TERMS OF A SUGGESTED ORDER OF COMPLETIONS, UH, IDEAS, UH, RELATED WHETHER THEY'RE RELATED TO CLG OR THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE.
UH, AND ALSO GROUPINGS OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS, WHETHER THEY'RE SHORT-TERM OR LONG-TERM GOALS.
UH, AND IF THERE'S ANY FUNDING, UH, FOR CREATING OR MANAGING THE PROGRAMS, UM, IN THE MEMO AS WELL, UH, TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATIONS AND DISCUSSIONS FROM THE AD HOC, UH, SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THAT MIGHT NEED MORE CLARIFICATIONS, UH, ADDITIONAL INPUT OR FEEDBACK, UH, AND, UH, SHARING THE MEMO WITH THE COMMITTEE AND, AND INCLUDING THAT IN THE HCPC AGENDA, UH, FOR, FOR, UH, TRANSPARENCY TO SEE WHERE WE CAN FURTHER IMPROVE, UH, WHERE ARE THE OVERLAPS WITH OTHER GOALS AND, AND PROJECTS, UH, SUCH AS THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE, UM, WITHIN THE CITY TO, TO HAVE THAT OPEN OPPORTUNITY AND COLLABORATION.
UM, I ALSO WANT TO SHARE WITH THIS GROUP THAT, FOLLOWING THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND SEEING, UH, HOW THERE'S MUCH OVERLAP, WHERE THERE'S NEED OF ATTENTION, UH, PLANNING STAFF LOOK, DID LOOK THROUGH, UM, WHERE WE CAN MANAGE AND REQUEST FOR INDIVIDUAL BUDGETS, UM, HAVE SPECIAL PROJECTS THAT WE CAN LOOK TO AND, AND ENGAGE WITH IN THE NEXT COMING YEARS.
UM, AND FOR THE FISCAL BUDGET OF 2024 TO 2025, WE HAVE A REQUESTED THREE SPECIAL PROJECTS, UH, AND THAT OVERLAPS WITH A COUPLE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT, THAT CAME FROM THE AD HOC.
UM, AND I CAN BRIEFLY TALK THROUGH WHAT THESE, UH, SPECIAL PROJECTS ARE.
UH, THE FIRST ONE IS TO ENGAGE AND, AND REFLECT ON THE PREVIOUS EFFORTS OF THE CLG APPLICATION AND HAVE THAT INTO COMPLETION.
ALSO, TO WRAP UP THAT, THAT APPLICATION PRO, UH, PROJECT, UH, WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE STATE IN ADDRESSING THE ZONE ZONING ORDINANCES.
UM, SO THAT THAT FIRST, UH, SPECIAL PROJECT IS ACKNOWLEDGING THE, THE PREVIOUS WORK AND COMPLETING OF THAT CLG APPLICATION FOR THE CITY.
UH, THE SECOND SPECIAL PROJECT IS, UH, FOCUSING ON THE REFINEMENT OF THE HISTORIC SPAR APPLICATIONS AND THE COAS, HAVING UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S NEEDED, UH, FROM THE PUBLIC AND HAVING THOSE APPLICATION MATERIALS READILY AVAILABLE.
UM, THERE WAS MANY, THERE WAS MANY, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE OR REQUESTED, UH, CLARITY AND HAVING THAT CHECKLIST, UH, TO, TO SPEED THROUGH THE, THE APPLICATION PROCESS IN A, IN, UM, IN, IN A MORE ADMINISTRATIVE MANNER, UH, TO HAVE THAT, THAT, UH, CHECKLIST PROVIDED.
UM, SO THAT SPECIAL PROJECT IS, IS REALLY TO HAVE THAT REFINEMENT, UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S NEEDED FOR AN APPLICATION, UH, FOR THE PROPERTIES, UH, WITHIN HISTORIC DISTRICTS OR WITH A HISTORIC, UM, RESOURCES.
UH, AND THE THIRD PROJECT, UH, THAT WE REQUESTED FOR A SPECIAL, UH, FUNDING AS WELL IS TO, UH, ESTABLISH A HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROGRAM.
UH, AND THIS MAY INCLUDE, UH, WHAT WE'VE, UH, DISCUSSED IN PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS, UH, FOR STRUCTURES OF MERIT OR A REFINEMENT OF THE LANDMARK, UH, DESIGNATION AND ANY, UM, INTEREST IN, UH, DETAILS FOR HISTORIC MARKERS OR PLAQUES.
UH, SO THIS BUDGET, UH, FOR THE SPECIAL PROJECT IS, UH, TO FINE TUNE HOW THAT PROGRAM LOOKS, UM, AND IF IT INVOLVES ONE OR TWO OUTSIDE OF THE LANDMARK OF THE CURRENT LANDMARK DESIGNATION.
UM, SO THE, THAT'S AN OVERVIEW OF THE THREE SPECIAL PROJECTS THAT WE'VE REQUESTED, UH, FOR THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR.
UM, AND, UH, WITH THAT, UH, ALSO THE SUPPORT OF THE HCPC IN ANNUAL ADMINISTRATION, UH, FOR, FOR HAVING, UH, PRESENTATIONS OR GUEST SPEAKERS TO JUST ALLOCATE, UH, FOR, UH, ANNUAL SERVICES.
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AND THAT, THAT, UH, WRAPS UP MY SUMMARY IN TERMS OF THE PLANNING MEMO, UH, IN RESPONSE TO THE AD HOC, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS.UH, WE HAVE SHARED THAT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN TEAM, UH, WHERE THAT OVERLAPS WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE DISCUSSIONS THAT, THAT WE SHARED TODAY.
UM, AND JUST SEEING WHERE THAT OVERLAP AND HOW WE CAN ADDRESS IT IN, IN THE COMING TIME.
UM, I JUST WANNA FOLLOW UP BY FIRST THANKING, UH, ISABELLE AND ANDREW AND STAFF FOR GETTING IT THIS FAR AND RESPONDING TO THE AD HOC COMMITTEE.
I KNOW YOU PROBABLY DIDN'T HAVE BUDGET FOR THAT, BUT I THINK THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE HOPING FOR, WAS TO GET SPECIAL PROJECTS AND BE ABLE TO ASK FOR FUNDING.
UM, I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT WE CAN ALL DO FROM THERE IS THAT WHEN COUNCIL COMES TO ALLOCATE FUNDING, THAT WE SHOW UP AND ADVOCATE FOR IT.
SO MAYBE WE CAN FIND OUT WHEN THAT WILL BE.
I THINK IT MIGHT BE COMING UP ON THE 20TH OR SO.
DOES ANYBODY KNOW, UM, WHEN THERE WILL BE A BUDGET WORKSHOP THAT WOULD MAKE THAT DECISION? I BELIEVE IT GOES IN JUNE.
SO KEEP AN EYE ON THE UPCOMING AGENDAS.
UM, I THINK IF YOU'RE, YEAH, I, I THINK THAT'LL BE IMPORTANT.
UM, SO ALSO JUST TO MOVE THIS FORWARD, I DON'T KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, IT WAS KIND OF BURIED IN THE COMMITTEE COMMENT OF THE AGENDA.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY OTHER THAN JOHN AND I HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT.
UM, IF, IF WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION, IF ANYBODY HAS SOME OF THESE ITEMS, I THINK WERE LONG RANGE GOALS THAT WE THREW OUT THERE FOR DISCUSSION ITEMS AMONG THE COMMITTEE IN GENERAL.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY'S PREPARED FOR THAT, IF WE WANT TO DO THAT TODAY, OR IF WE SHOULD AGENDIZE THIS FOR A NEXT MEETING.
IF, IF I MIGHT, UM, TO THAT POINT, THE, UH, UH, DYLAN HAS BEEN ADVISING US THAT IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DISCUSSION THAT WE SHOULD AGENDIZE THIS.
SO WHAT I'M THINKING IS, UM, IF THE COMMITTEE WOULD CONSIDER, UH, ASKING STAFF QUESTIONS, UM, FOR CLARIFICATION, AND THEN PERHAPS, UM, DIRECTING STAFF TO MAKE THIS MEMO AVAILABLE TO THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE TEAM, UM, SO THAT THEY CAN BEGIN THE PROCESS OF INTEGRATING SOME OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS INTO THEIR POLICY PLANNING WORK.
AND THEN WHAT WE COULD DO IS AGENDA, AGENDIZE IT FOR DISCUSSION AT THE JUNE MEETING, CONCLUDE THEN THE WORK OF THE AD HOC COMMITTEE, AND, AND THEN, UM, RECOMMEND THAT THE AD HOC COMMITTEE BE DISBAND OR, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO GET A BIT OF CLOSURE ON THE WORK THAT THE AD HOC COMMITTEE HAS DONE.
YEAH, I THINK THOSE ARE GREAT RECOMMENDATIONS.
COULD I ASK FOR CLARIFICATION, UH, ISABEL THE, UH, SPECIAL PROJECT WITH REGARD TO HISTORIC PRESERVATION? IS THE PROJECT ITSELF TO, UM, DISCUSS AND DESIGN SOMETHING, OR IS A PROJECT TO IMPLEMENT SOMETHING? IT, IT WOULD BE TO EVALUATE, UH, SO IN TERMS OF SEEING WHAT THE OPPORTUNITIES ARE, UM, AND, AND FURTHER INVESTIGATING WHICH PRO, UH, WHICH, UH, PROGRAM TO PURSUE.
UM, SO I DO, UH, HAVE A FEW RESPONSES.
JUST, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WERE LISTED UNDER CATEGORY SIX AS NOT APPROPRIATE.
AND, UM, I'D LIKE TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CLARIFY, I THINK, WHAT OUR INTENT WAS.
UM, BUT YEAH, PLEASE, UM, DO FORWARD TO THE GENERAL PLAN TEAM AND LET'S LOOK FORWARD TO A DISCUSSION NEXT MONTH.
UM, SO JUST GOING THROUGH, AND I'LL MAKE THIS QUICK, I, THERE'S JUST A FEW OF 'EM, BUT GOING THROUGH THE RESPONSE LETTER, UM, I, I'M JUST GONNA GO DOWN FOR, SO SIX A ABOUT STUDY SESSIONS.
I JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT THOSE ARE USEFUL AND WE SHOULD ENCOURAGE THOSE AT STAFF'S DISCRETION.
UM, SIX B, OUR INTENT WAS JUST TO HAVE THE CITY ENGAGE THE CONSULTANT AND THE CONTRACTOR AND NOT THE PROPERTY OWNER.
UM, I THINK THAT'S COMMONLY DONE IN COMMUNITIES FOR LIKE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEWS, JUST THAT, SO THAT THE APPLICANT IS SORT OF REMOVED FROM ANY INFLUENCE ON THE CONSULTANT.
SO IT'S NOT THAT THE CITY WOULD CONDUCT THE EVALUATIONS, IT'S MORE THAT THEY WOULD BE THE ADMINISTRATOR, AND OF COURSE THAT WOULD BE ON A COST RECOVERY BASIS TOO.
BUT, UM, JUST A RECOMMENDATION.
UM, SIX C, UM, I'M ONLY LOOKING AT MY ANSWERS, NOT THE QUESTIONS, BUT WHAT I HAVE IS, UM, THE INTENT IS TO ALLOW FOR SOME SUBJECTIVE OR PRACTICAL INTERPRETATION OF THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS.
UM, AND THEN ALSO I THINK THE, THE MENTION OF COST BURDEN IS THAT, UM, SOMEHOW, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANNA ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO DO THE RIGHT THING, WE NEED TO PUT A CAP ON.
IF WE CAN'T SUBSIDIZE IT, WE NEED TO PUT A CAP ON WHAT AN H BAR SHOULD COST.
I THINK, UM, MAYBE THAT ISN'T APPROPRIATE.
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OKAY.UM, SIX D UH, INTENDED TO CLARIFY WHAT IS SUBJECTED TO H SPAR R REVIEW, MAJOR VERSUS MINOR, AND THE LEVEL OF IN DOC DOCUMENTATION REQUIRED, AND THIS IS JUST TO HELP CLARIFY FOR PROPERTY OWNERS AND APPLICANTS, WHAT THEY, UH, UM, ARE UP AGAINST.
UM, THEN I HAVE TO REVIEW THIS, BUT I THINK, UM, E AND F, THERE'S, IT'S SORT OF, UM, THERE'S STILL, IT'S STILL NOT CLEAR TO ME.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE SO MANY OF THESE UNDESIGNATED RESOURCES AND, UM, AND THE CRITERIA FOR, YOU KNOW, IT EVEN STATES IN THERE THAT THE CRITERIA IS IS, YOU KNOW, IT HAS TO BE DESIGNATED FOR THE ORDINANCE TO BE APPLIED.
WELL, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE AIMING AT IS TO FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S TRUE.
I MEAN, I THINK A POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT RESOURCE NEEDS TO BE EVALUATED.
UM, SO ANYWAY, I, I THINK THERE'S JUST SOME, IT NEEDS TO BE MADE CLEAR THERE.
AND I'M SORRY, I DON'T HAVE IT IN MY ANSWER VERY CLEAR.
BUT THE CONCEPT IS THAT, UM, PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW IF THEY HAVE, UM, AN AGE ELIGIBLE OR ANY, ANY PROPERTY THAT HAS MEETS ANY OF THE CRITERIA FOR REVIEW.
I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE A CHECKLIST OR SOMETHING.
AND SO I THINK THIS PROBABLY DOES FALL INTO THE, UM, UH, SPECIAL PROJECT.
UH, ONE OF THE SPECIAL PROJECTS.
I, I ALSO WANNA FOLLOW UP ON, UM, SOME OF THE, UH, SOME OF THE IZO UPDATES.
YOU KNOW, THAT IT SAYS, THE RESPONSE WAS THAT, UM, THESE WOULD BE HAPPENING AS WITH THE NEW DEVELOPMENT CODE AFTER THE GENERAL PLAN.
BUT MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT AS PART OF THE CLG APPLICATION, WE WERE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE SOME ZONING TEXT AMENDMENTS.
AND I THINK SOME OF THESE ARE REAL LOW HANGING FRUIT THAT WE SHOULD JUST COUPLE THEM IN THERE.
AND WHATEVER WE CAN DO, IF IT'S JUST A TEXT AMENDMENT, WE NEED TO MAKE 'EM AND DO 'EM NOW.
AND I THOUGHT SOME OF THE ONES THAT WERE LISTED AS NOT APPROPRIATE OR AT THIS TIME SHOULD JUST BE DONE.
YOU KNOW, I, I THINK SOME OF 'EM, YOU'RE RIGHT, ARE TAKE, GONNA TAKE SOME GENERAL PLAN POLICY UPDATES, BUT SOME OF 'EM TO ME WERE JUST SO SIMPLE.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY, WE WOULDN'T JUST DO 'EM.
SO I WOULD ASK TO JUST REEVALUATE THAT LIST AND MAKE ALL THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENTS THAT WE CAN WITH THIS ONE ACTION.
SO ANYWAY, THANKS FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY.
UM, BUT, AND ALSO THANKS FOR MOVING THIS FORWARD.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT, FOR ME, THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE FOR.
SO, UM, I THINK WE'VE BEEN THROUGH ALL OF OUR COMMITTEE COMMENTS, AND I THINK WE CAN CLOSE THAT SECTION TO MOVE ON TO OUR
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PLANNING MANAGER'S REPORT.UM, AND, AND I THINK I, I JUST WANT TO THANK THE AD HOC COMMITTEE FOR THE GREAT WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE ON THIS PROJECT.
IT'S, IT'S BEEN SO HELPFUL TO STAFF, UH, TO HAVE THESE IDEAS BROUGHT FORWARD, THE MANNER IN WHICH THEY WERE BROUGHT FORWARD, AND THEN HOW WE, WE SORT TOGETHER DEVISED THIS PROCESS FOR IDENTIFYING WHICH ONES SHOULD BE SUBMITTED TO THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE, AND THEN WHICH ONES WE COULD WORK ON OTHERWISE.
SO I THINK IT'S BEEN A VERY SUCCESSFUL PROCESS.
I LOOK FORWARD TO, UM, YOU KNOW, TO ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION, UH, DISCUSSION NEXT MONTH AND, AND, UM, BEING ABLE TO CLOSE IT AND, AND MOVE FORWARD ON IMPLEMENTATION ON SOME REGARDS AS WELL AS, UM, YOU KNOW, TO, TO REMAIN HOPEFUL AND, AND POSITIVE ABOUT THE, UH, THE POTENTIAL BUDGET ADOPTION THEN THAT COUNCIL WILL UNDERTAKE.
UM, I ALSO WANTED TO, UH, I DO WANNA RECOGNIZE COMMITTEE MEMBER OF ANN AMERIN FOR THE GREAT WORK YOU'VE DONE ON THE, THE PRESERVATION MONTH, UH, BOTH THIS YEAR AND LAST YEAR.
IT'S REALLY EXCITING TO SEE THIS EFFORT AND, AND THE INVOLVEMENT OF THE COMMITTEE AND IN THE WORK THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY, UH, IS, IS SO IMPRESSIVE.
UM, ON BEHALF OF THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE TEAM, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR WORK ON THE FRAMEWORKS.
I KNOW THAT'S NOT AN EASY TASK AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S BECAUSE WHEN WE BRING FORWARD AN ITEM FOR A DISCRETIONARY ACTION, WE, IT'S, IT'S BUNDLED DIFFERENTLY AND, AND YOU REVIEW IT DIFFERENTLY AND, AND, UH, YOU'RE ASKED TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, DECISIONS THAT ARE QUITE A BIT DIFFERENT TO PROCESS THAN WHAT YOU WERE ASKED TO DO WITH THIS FRAMEWORK.
SO I KNOW THE FRAMEWORKS CAN, YOU KNOW, TAKE YOU OUTSIDE OF, OF THAT ZONE OF WORK AND INTO, UM, AN AREA WHERE WE DON'T, UH, SPEND TOO MUCH TIME.
SO I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU, UM, SP TAKING THAT TIME AND PUTTING FORWARD THAT EFFORT AND PROVIDING THAT VALUABLE INPUT TO THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE TEAM, UM, WITH, WITH REGARD TO THE GENERAL PLAN.
THEN AGAIN, ANOTHER PLUG FOR PLAN, UH, PLAN
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FEST ON SATURDAY.UH, THAT SHOULD BE A REALLY EXCITING EVENT.
I HOPE THAT WE HAVE A GREAT TURNOUT THERE THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO COME OUT AND EXPERIENCE IT AND, AND INTERACT WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS, UM, WHO MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN, UH, ESPECIALLY WHAT THE, UH, HISTORIC PRESERVATION FRAMEWORK WILL OFFER TO THE COMMUNITY.
UM, AND THEN FINALLY, JUST, JUST TO, UH, PERHAPS ANNOUNCE OR REMIND YOU THAT, UM, TOMORROW THE, THE CITY CLERK WILL LIKELY BE OPENING THE APPLICATION PROCESS FOR APPOINTMENTS AND REAPPOINTMENTS ACROSS ALL OF THE CCBS.
UM, AND WE DO HAVE COMMITTEE MEMBERS WHO ARE, UM, THEIR TERMS ARE EXPIRING, AND SO THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO SEEK REAPPOINTMENT OR CHOOSE TO, UM, NOT SEEK REAPPOINTMENT, IN WHICH CASE THOSE POSITIONS WOULD, WOULD BE OPEN.
SO, UH, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO, TO THINK ABOUT THOSE IN YOUR NETWORK WHO MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN OPPORTUNITIES ON, UM, HCPC.
YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A UNIQUE, UM, I THINK ONE OF OUR MORE UNIQUE COM COMMITTEES IN THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU REALLY HAVE TO HAVE A PASSION FOR THE WORK THAT HCPC DOES, BUT THAT ALSO IS COMBINED WITH, YOU KNOW, A, A LEVEL OF KNOWLEDGE THAT I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO ALLOW YOU TO FEEL COMFORTABLE IN THE WORK THAT YOU DO, UH, AS A COMMITTEE MEMBER.
SO WE'VE ALWAYS HAD OUR MOST, OUR GREATEST SUCCESS IN ATTRACTING NEW, NEW, UM, APPLICANTS AND, AND SUBSEQUENT APPOINTEES WHEN COMMITTEE MEMBERS HAVE REACHED OUT TO THEIR NETWORKS AND, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES IDENTIFIED OR, OR HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THOSE PEOPLE WHO MIGHT NOT BE AWARE OF THE OPPORTUNITY OR, OR MIGHT NOT, UM, OTHERWISE FEEL THAT THEY HAVE THOSE, THOSE SKILLS THAT WOULD, WOULD CONTRIBUTE MEANINGFULLY TO THE COMMITTEE.
SO IF YOU NEED ANY HELP ON THAT, UM, STAFF IS ALWAYS AVAILABLE.
WE'RE ALWAYS HAPPY TO, YOU KNOW, SHARING A CONVERSATION WITH A, A POTENTIAL APPLICANT, GIVE THEM, YOU KNOW, THE COMMITTEE'S WORK FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, UH, AND SHARE WITH THEM HOW WE SUPPORT THE COMMITTEE'S WORK.
SO PLEASE FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT TO US IF YOU'D LIKE TO SCHEDULE A MEETING OR A CONVERSATION WITH A POTENTIAL APPLICANT.
UM, AND WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES MY COMMENTS.
SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR WORK TODAY.
ANY FINAL COMMENTS FROM COMMITTEE MEMBERS? QUESTIONS? OKAY.
AND I THINK WITH THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED AT, UH, 5:57 PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.