* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] OKAY. GOOD [CALL TO ORDER] AFTERNOON EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO THE TUESDAY, JUNE 4TH REGULAR MEETING OF THE HISTORIC AND CULTURAL PRESERVATION COMMITTEE. I'M GONNA START BY WELCOMING MELISSA MADRID TO, UH, FILLING IN FOR ARIEL WHILE HE GOES ON VACATION. UH, MS. MADRID, [ROLL CALL] CAN WE GET A ROLL CALL? I COMMITTEE MEMBER PERLIS PRESENT COMMITTEE MEMBER PING. ABSENT COMMITTEE MEMBER WHITLEY PRESENT VICE CHAIR VAN AMERIN, PRESENT CHAIR REINHARDT. HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM. GREAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, NEXT WE'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. THIS IS TIME FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. WE'RE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEMS, UH, THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA, BUT WITHIN OUR PURVIEW. UM, LOOKS LIKE EVERYBODY'S HERE FOR THE PRESENTATION ITEM, BUT I'LL, I'LL ASK, HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY ONLINE COMMENTS, PUBLIC COMMENTS, OR HAS ANY ANYBODY SUBMITTED A SPEAKER CARD? WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS, GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING. GREAT. ANYBODY IN THE CHAMBER WISHING TO SPEAK TO SOMETHING OTHER THAN WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA? OKAY. SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AND, UM, [PRESENTATIONS] MOVE ON TO ITEM ONE. OKAY. THIS IS A PRESENTATION, UM, A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE HISTORIC AND CULTURAL PRESERVATION COMMITTEE TO RECEIVE A PRESENTATION ABOUT HENRY SCHNAT, THE FORM OF BUFFALO SOLDIER, SOLDIER, AND DISCUSS THE NEED FOR OTHER TOOLS AND CRITERIA FOR RECOGNITION THAT RESPOND TO COMMUNITY GOALS. OKAY. UM, THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING. WE DO NOT NEED TO DISCLOSE ANY EX PARTE OR CONFLICTS. UM, AND I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE JOHN SHEEHY, FAITH ROSS AND CAROL EBER HERE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION, SO LIKE TO WELCOME YOU AND, UH, ASK YOU TO PLEASE TAKE IT AWAY. THANKS FOR BEING HERE. GOOD AFTERNOON. UM, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO MAKE THIS PRESENTATION ABOUT HENRY CHA. MY NAME IS FAITH ROSS, AND I HAVE, UH, LIVED IN PETALUMA SINCE 1975, WHICH IS AFTER HENRY CHANOT DIED. I LEARNED A LOT ABOUT HIM THROUGH CLIPPINGS IN BILL ANTE'S COLUMN. THEN I READ ALL OF JOHN'S INFORMATION ABOUT HIM. JOHN, SHE GREW UP HERE IN TOWN, SO HE KNEW THE MAN PERSONALLY. UH, MR. CHANA WAS THOUGHT OF IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS. HE WAS CALLED A SIDEWALK PHILOSOPHER, A PUBLIC CONFIDENT TOP AMBASSADOR OF GOODWILL, SECOND CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, PUBLIC RELATIONS, EXTRAORDINARY BLACK BOOT, BLACK AND SHOESHINE. MAN. I THINK OF HIM AS A GIFT TO PETALUMA, ALWAYS LISTENING AND MAKING THOSE AROUND HIM FEEL COMFORTABLE AND NEVER BURDENING OTHERS WITH HIS PAST. I FEEL THAT MR. SCHOTT'S LIFE HERE BECAUSE OF MANY PEOPLE, HE, BECAUSE OF THE MANY PEOPLE HE TOUCHED, DESERVES TO BE RECOGNIZED. PEOPLE VISITING HERE ARE NEW COMMUNITY MEMBERS SHOULD KNOW THAT HE WAS HERE. WHETHER IT IS A STREET SIGN, A PLAQUE, OR WHATEVER, HE NEEDS TO BE REMEMBERED BY THIS COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. THANKS, FAITH. GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M JOHN SHEEHY. SAY A FEW THINGS ABOUT HENRY AND TAKE YOU THROUGH A SLIDESHOW. SO, AS FAITH MENTIONED, WHEN I WAS GROWING UP HERE IN PETALUMA IN THE SIXTIES, MY FATHER WOULD OFTEN DROP ME OFF FOR A HAIRCUT AT A PLACE CALLED THE ARCADE BARBERSHOP IN THE PRINCE BUILDING ON WESTERN AVENUE, WHILE HE WENT ACROSS THE STREET TO GET A BEER AT ANDREESSEN'S TAVERN. AND, UH, I WAS TOLD THAT AFTER MY HAIRCUT WAS DONE, I WAS TO WAIT OUTSIDE THE BARBERSHOP AT THE SHOESHINE STAND OF HENRY SCHNAT, WHICH WAS LOCATED RIGHT AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE BARBERSHOP. AND I WASN'T THE ONLY ONE WAITING THERE. OTHER PARENTS LEFT THEIR KIDS WITH HENRY TO WATCH OVER WHILE THEY DUCKED INTO THE FAMOUS PADRON'S RESTAURANT NEXT DOOR, OR WENT SHOPPING UP THE BLOCK AT CARRUTHER'S, UH, DEPARTMENT STORE, WHICH IS IN THE BUILDING TODAY, OCCUPIED BY AMY'S CORPORATE OFFICES SLIDE. WHEN HE TENDED TO CUSTOMERS, HENRY KEPT US OCCUPIED LISTENING TO THE BALL GAME ON THE RADIO, ALONG WITH HIS OWN EXPERT PLAY-BY-PLAY COMMENTARY. PEOPLE DRIVING BY IN CARS WOULD HONK AND WAVE AND CALL IT HIS NAME. PEOPLE PASSING BY ON THE SIDEWALK WOULD ALSO GREET HIM BY NAME, UH, OR STOP IN TO CHECK IN, UM, WITH HIS UNCANNY [00:05:01] ABILITY TO RECALL NAMES, DATES, AND SCRAPS OF STREET CONVERSATION. HENRY WAS SAID TO BE ON A FIRST NAME BASIS, AND THIS IS A BILL SOPRANO'S CLAIM. SO TAKE IT WITH GRAIN OF SALT, UH, WITH AT LEAST NINE OUT OF THE 10 PEOPLE WHO PASSED BY NOW DURING PETALUMA'S SUBURBAN HOUSING BOOM IN THE FIFTIES AND SIXTIES, WHEN OUR CITY'S POPULATION, UH, TRIPLED FROM 8,000 TO 25,000. THAT BECAME INCREASINGLY IMPORTANT. A PERSONALIZED GREETING FROM HENRY WAS REASSURANCE THAT PETALUMA REMAINED A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE KNEW YOUR NAME SLIDE. SO HENRY OPERATED A SHOESHINE STAND IN PETALUMA FOR ALMOST, FOR MOST OF HIS 36 YEARS HERE FROM 1933, UP UNTIL HIS UNEXPECTED DEATH FROM A HEART ATTACK IN 1969. AT THE AGE OF 74 SLIDE. ONE OF HENRY'S BIGGEST FANS WAS BILL SOIS, AS YOU'VE HEARD, WHO WROTE A COLUMN IN THE AUGUST COURIER FOR 50 YEARS, SOIS ATTRIBUTED HENRY'S POPULARITY TO HIS PERSONAL CREED SLIDE. IF ONE LOOKS FOR THE GOOD IN OTHERS, THE BAD POINTS WILL VANISH. NOW, EVERYONE AGREED THAT HENRY EXEMPLIFIED THIS CREED IN HIS DAILY ACTIONS, BUT HIS CONTRIBUTIONS TO PETALUMA TAKE ON A MORE PROFOUND AND HISTORICALLY IMPORTANT ROLE WHEN ONE CONSIDERS FIRST THE TRIALS AND TRIBULATIONS HE ENDURED AS A BLACK MAN BEFORE COMING TO PETALUMA. AND SECOND, THE SYSTEM, THE SYSTEMIC DISCRIMINATION HE HAD TO ENDURE AND OVERCOME DURING HIS 36 YEARS IN TOWN SLIDE, HENRY SCHNAT HENRY LEE SCHNAT WAS BORN IN LEXINGTON, KENTUCKY IN 1895. HE QUIT SCHOOL AT 16 TO APPRENTICES A TEAMSTER INMAN. UPON TURNING 18, 19 13, HE ENLISTED FOR A THREE YEAR STINT IN THE US ARMY. FOLLOWING HIS DISCHARGE, HE SETTLED IN OAKLAND, WHERE HE MET AND MARRIED WILLIE BERNICE BUTLER, ORIGINALLY FROM RED BLUFF, ADOPTING HER FIVE-YEAR-OLD SON SAMUEL. SLIDE TWO MONTHS AFTER THE UNITED STATES ENTERED WORLD WAR I IN 1917, HENRY WAS RECALLED TO ACTIVE DUTY AND ASSIGNED TO THE ALL BLACK 24TH INFANTRY REGIMENT. A UNIT OF THE FAME. BUFFALO SOLDIERS THE 24TH HAD CHARGED UP SAN JUAN RIDGE WITH TEDDY ROOSEVELT AND FOUGHT IN THE PHILIPPINES DURING THE SPANISH AMERICAN WAR. THEY WERE LEGENDARY IN JULY, 1917. THE 24TH WAS DISPATCHED TO CAMP LOGAN, THREE MILES OUTSIDE OF HOUSTON, TEXAS, TO GUARD THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW AVIATION TRAINING FACILITY. SLIDE A SEGREGATED STATE, TEXAS HAD A REPUTATION FOR LYNCHINGS AND RACIAL RACIAL VIOLENCE IN HOUSTON. THE MERE PRESENCE OF BLACK MEN IN UNIFORM THREATENED THE SOCIAL HIERARCHY. THE TOWN PEOPLE FELT FEARED THAT IF THEY WEREN'T KEPT IN CHECK, LOCAL BLACK CITIZENS WOULD BEGIN DEMANDING EQUAL TREATMENT FOR THEMSELVES. AS A RESULT, THE 24TH ENDURED AN ONSLAUGHT OF RACHEL SLURS IN DISCRIMINATION FROM CITY RESIDENTS ALONG WITH PISTOL WHIPPINGS AND ARRESTS FROM POLICE OFFICERS FOR VIOLATING SUCH JIM CROW LAWS AS SITTING IN WHITE ONLY SECTIONS IN THE STREET CARS AND DRINKING FROM WHITE ONLY FOUN FOUNTAINS. SLIDE TENSIONS CAME TO A BOIL ON THE NIGHT OF AUGUST 23RD. AFTER TWO POLICE OFFICERS ASSAULTED A BLACK PRIVATE FOR INTERFERING IN THE REST OF A BLACK WOMAN. WHEN A BLACK MP PATROLLING THE CITY ASKED THE OFFICER'S ABOUT THE SOLDIER'S WHEREABOUTS HE HAD BEEN TAKEN OFF TO JAIL, UH, THIS MP WAS HIT WITH A PISTOL SHOT AT THREE TIMES AND BRUTALLY BEATEN BEFORE HIMSELF BEING THROWN INTO JAIL. NEWS FILTERED BACK TO THE, THE 24TH THAT THE POLICE HAD KILLED THE TWO SOLDIERS, AND THAT AN ARMED WHITE MOB WAS HEADED FOR THE CAMP SHOTS, RANG OUT IN THE CAMP, SENDING SOLDIERS SCRAMBLING FOR THEIR RIFLES AND SHOOTING INTO SURROUNDING BUILDINGS. AT SUSPECTED SNIPERS SLIDE. AFTER FORMING A SKIRMISH LINE TO SECURE THE CAMP, 150 SOLDIERS BEGAN MARCHING TOWARD THE HOUSTON POLICE STATION TO HOLD THE POLICE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ATTACKS ON THE TWO SOLDIERS SLIDE. ALL IN ALL 20 PEOPLE DIED THAT NIGHT IN WHAT WAS CALLED THE HOUSTON RIOT, INCLUDING 11 WHITE RESIDENTS, FIVE POLICEMEN, AND FOUR BLACK SOLDIERS. SLIDE AFTERWARD, THE SOLDIERS WERE TRIED FOR MUTINY AND MURDER IN WHAT WAS THE LARGEST COURT MARTIAL IN THE HISTORY IN US HISTORY, ALL PLEADED NOT GUILTY. THAT INCLUDED HENRY WHO CLAIMED TO BE SICK THAT NIGHT AND SO REMAINED BEHIND IN CAMP. MILITARY INVESTIGATORS, HOWEVER, PERSUADED SEVEN FRIGHTENED SOLDIERS TO TESTIFY AGAINST THEIR BATTALION MATES IN EXCHANGE FOR IMMUNITY. [00:10:01] DESPITE INCONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE, 110 SOLDIERS WERE CONVICTED. THE MEN WERE TRIED IN THREE GROUPS. 19 FROM THE FIRST GROUP WERE HUNG. THEIR EXECUTIONS EXPEDITED UNDER THE ARTICLES OF, OF WAR AS THE US WAS AT WAR AT THE TIME WITH GERMANY. ANOTHER 10 SOLDIERS IN THE SECOND GROUP, INCLUDING HENRY, WERE ALSO SENTENCED TO HANG AFTER AN OUTCRY FROM THE NA, ACP AND HIGH RANKING MILITARY OFFICIALS, PRESIDENT WOODROW WILSON COMMITTED THEIR SENTENCES TO LIFE IN FEDERAL PRISON. SLIDE HENRY WAS SENT ALONG WITH 63 OTHERS WHO RECEIVED LIFE SENTENCES TO LEAVENWORTH PRISON. HE WAS RELEASED IN 1931, ESSENTIALLY FOR GOOD BEHAVIOR. AFTER SERVING 13 YEARS OF HARD LABOR SLIDE. UPON HIS RELEASE, HENRY UNI REUNITED WITH HIS WIFE, THEN WORKING AS A HOTEL MANAGER IN SAN FRANCISCO. IN 1933, THEY MOVED TO PETALUMA, WHERE HENRY OPENED A SHOE SHINE STAND OUTSIDE THE TOWN'S LARGEST BARBER SHOP AND BEAUTY SALON, DAMON AND OSTERS, WHICH WAS LOCATED IN THE MCLAY BUILDING ON MAIN STREET, WHICH TODAY HOUSES THE CENTRAL MARKET RESTAURANT. HENRY SOON BECAME A POPULAR FIXTURE IN TOWN. HE NEVER DISCLOSED HIS PARTICIPATION IN THE HOUSTON UPRISING, NOR HIS INCARCERATION TELLING PEOPLE THAT AFTER HIS DISCHARGE FROM THE ARMY, HE HAD GONE TO WORK ON THE RAILROADS. BUT BEHIND HIS AFFABLE AND FRIENDLY DEMEANOR, HENRY STRUGGLED A DEVOTED CATHOLIC. HE REPORTEDLY ATTENDED MORNING MASS AT ST. VINCENT'S CHURCH EVERY DAY. AND I HEARD THAT FROM MY GRANDMOTHER WHO WHO DID THE SAME. IN 1937, HE AND HIS WIFE DIVORCED. THE NEXT YEAR, HE BECAME ENGAGED TO A BLACK WOMAN WHO WORKED AS A DOMESTIC IN TOWN, AND HE PURCHASED A HOUSE AT 32 WEST STREET. SLIDE THREE MONTHS LATER, HIS FIANCE UNEXPECTEDLY DIED. WHEN WORLD WAR II BROKE OUT, HENRY TOOK A JOB WORKING IN THE MERRI ISLAND SHIPYARDS AS SHOESHINE BUSINESS FELL OFF WITH ALL THE MEN GOING TO THE SERVICE. IN 1944, HE MARRIED BESSIE THOMPSON, A BLACK WOMAN WHO HAD MOVED TO PETALUMA A FEW YEARS EARLIER FROM EUREKA WITH HER YOUNG DAUGHTER, NANCY LOU SLIDE. AFTER THE WAR, SH HENRY OPENED A NEW SHOESHINE STAND OUTSIDE THE ARCADE BARBERSHOP AT 18 WESTERN AVENUE, AND I'VE BROUGHT TODAY WON HIS ORIGINAL SIGN THAT WAS DONE BY LOU BARBER, WHO WAS A FAMOUS SIGN PAINTER IN PETALUMA. AND, UH, THIS WAS DONATED TO THE PETMAN HISTORICAL MUSEUM, UH, A FEW YEARS AGO BY LOU'S DAUGHTERS. UM, HIS BUSINESS WOULD REMAIN AT THAT LOCATION FOR THE NEXT 21 YEARS UNTIL HIS DEATH IN 1969, AFFABLE, FRIENDLY AND ENGAGING. BY 1949, HENRY HAD BECOME ONE OF THE PETALUMA'S BIGGEST CIVIC BOOSTERS. AND AS YOU HEARD FROM FAITH, THE LOCAL PRESS DEEMED HIM PETALS AMBASSADOR OF GOODWILL IN HIS SHOE SHINE STAND THE CITY SICK. SECOND CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, THE TOURIST ARM OF THE REDWOOD EMPIRE ADORNED HIS STAND WITH BROCHURES OR REGIONAL ATTRACTIONS MAKING HIM THEIR UNOFFICIAL VISITOR'S OFFICE. IN PETALUMA PRESS, DEMOCRAT JOURNALIST BOB WILLS DESCRIBED HIM AS A SIDEWALK PHILOSOPHER AND PUBLIC CONFIDANT KNOWN IN HIS STAND, WAS NOT ONLY A PLACE TO CHECK IN ON THE GAME SCORES AND THE LOCAL GOSSIP, BUT ALSO TO ENGAGE IN MORE SERIOUS DISCUSSIONS ABOUT POLITICS, OFTEN WITH ELECTED OFFICIALS SEEKING HIS OPINION SLIDE. THIS IS THE COMMON NARRATIVE OF HENRY CHANEL'S LIFE IN PETALUMA AS REPORTED IN THE NEWSPAPERS AND OTHER PEOPLE FROM OTHER ORAL HISTORIES. UH, BUT IT'S ONLY HALF THE STORY. THE FULL STORY INCLUDES NOT ONLY THE INJUSTICE HENRY EXPERIENCED PRIOR TO COMING TO TOWN, WHICH HE KEPT SECRET IN PETALUMA, BUT ALSO THE UNTIDY UNDERSIDE OF SYSTEMIC RACISM HE ENCOUNTERED IN PETALUMA TRYING TO OPERATE A BUSINESS, PURCHASE A HOME AND RAISE A FAMILY. AND AS BENJAMIN FRANKLIN FAMOUSLY NOTED, A LIE STANDS ON ONE FOOT, BUT THE TRUTH STANDS ON TWO, AND I, I WOULD OFFER THAT THE FULL STORY OF HENRY S SCHULTS LIFE IN PETALUMA IS THE SECOND FOOT OF TRUTH. SLIDE SLIDE. THE PETALUMA HENRY MOVE TO IN 1933 WAS WHAT WAS KNOWN AS THE SUNDOWN TOWN. THAT MEANT THAT THROUGH A COMBINATION OF DISCRIMINATORY LAWS, INTIMIDATION, AND SOMETIMES VIOLENCE, IT RESTRICTED HOUSING ACCESS TO THOSE ONLY OF THE CAUCASIAN RACE. TWO PRACTICES WERE WIDELY ADOPTED IN PETALUMA. IN THE 1920S, THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF REAL ESTATE BOARDS CHAMPIONED THE INCLUSION OF LEGAL COVENANTS AND PROPERTY DEEDS THAT BANNED THE SALE OR LEASE OF PROPERTY TO NON-WHITES. [00:15:01] IN THE 1930S, THE FEDERAL HOUSING ADMINISTRATION REQUIRED RACIAL COVENANTS TO GUARANTEE HOME MORTGAGES. THIS PRACTICE BECAME KNOWN AS REDLINING, REFERRING TO THE RED COLORED AREAS ON MAPS THAT THE BANKS REFUSED TO INSURE. AND AS A RESULT, WHEN HENRY AND HIS WIFE MOVED TO PUM IN 1933, THERE WERE ONLY THREE OTHER BLACK RESIDENTS IN TOWN SLIDE THE SUBURBAN TRACK HOUSING BOOM THAT FOLLOWED. WORLD WAR II CAUSED PLUMS POPULATION TO TRIPLE DURING THE FIFTIES AND SIXTIES DUE TO RESTRICTIVE DEED COVENANTS. HOWEVER, BY 1960, THE CITY HAD ONLY 11 BLACK RESIDENTS OUT OF A TOTAL POPULATION OF 14,003 OF THOSE RESIDENTS WERE THE SCHNAT FAMILY. THAT SAME YEAR, THE FEDERAL COMMISSION ON CIVIL RIGHTS VISITED PETALUMA. THEY FOUND ONLY ONE HOME IN TOWN OWNED BY A BLACK FAMILY THA OF HENRY AND BESSIE SCHNAT. THE COMMISSION ATTRIBUTED THIS TO A CABAL OF PET PETALUMA BANKERS, REALTORS, DEVELOPERS, AND NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS WHO OSTRACIZED AND FINANCIALLY THREATENED ANYONE ATTEMPTING TO SELL OR RENT A HOME TO A BLACK PERSON OR A PERSON OF COLOR. HENRY AND HIS WIFE, BESSIE, DID NOT SHY AWAY SLIDE DID NOT SHY AWAY FROM CHALLENGING SUCH SYSTEMIC RACISM DURING THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT OF THE FIFTIES AND SIXTIES. THEY BECAME ACTIVELY ENGAGED IN POLITICS, SERVING AS OFFICERS OF THE PETA DEMOCRATIC CLUB AND FOUNDING MEMBERS IN 1955 OF THE SONOMA COUNTY NAACP, OF WHICH BESSIE SERVED AS THE FIRST TREASURER SLIDE, THE NAACP'S FOCUS IN SONOMA COUNTY WAS ON SECURING EQUAL TREATMENT AND JOBS AND HOUSING FOR THE COUNTY'S ESTIMATED 1000 BLACK RESIDENTS, MOST OF WHOM LIVED EITHER IN RURAL AREAS OR SANTA ROSA'S SOUTH PARK NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT INCLUDED LOBBYING FOR THE CONTROVERSIAL CALIFORNIA FAIR EMPLOYMENT PRACTICE ACT, WHICH BORROWED BUSINESS AND LABOR UNIONS FROM DISCRIMINATING AGAINST JOB APPLICANTS BECAUSE OF RACE COLOR OF CREED, AFTER MANY LESS LEGISLATIVE DEFEATS, IT WAS SIGNED INTO LAW IN 1959. THEY ALSO PRESSED FOR THE PASSAGE OF THE CALIFORNIA FAIR HOUSING ACT OF 1963, WHICH MADE IT UNLAWFUL, DISCRIMINATE AGAINST HOME BUYERS AND RENTERS. HOWEVER, THE YEAR AFTER IT PASSED, THE CALIFORNIA REAL ESTATE ASSOCIATION PUT FORTH A BALLOT MEASURE TO NULLIFY THE ACT. IT PASSED BY 65% OF THE VOTE, BUT WAS OVERTURNED FINALLY IN 1967 BY THE US SUPREME COURT. IT WAS ONLY AFTER THAT THAT PUM BLACK POPULATION BEGAN TO INCREASE SLIDE. HENRY WAS STILL SHINING SHOES ON WESTERN AVENUE IN FIGHTING THE GOOD FIGHT WHEN HE DIED UNEXPECTEDLY IN 1969. AT THE AGE OF 74, HE WAS BURIED IN CALVARY CATHOLIC CEMETERY SLIDE IN 2020. A FILM CALLED THE 24 WAS RELEASED BASED UPON THE HOUSTON UPRISING OF 1917. AND I WOULD OFFER THAT IF ANY OF YOU WANT TO GET A SENSE OF THE INJUSTICE THAT HENRY, UH, ENDURED AS A SOLDIER, IT IT'S CURRENTLY STREAMING ON AMAZON AND APPLE TV AND YOUTUBE. IT'S WORTH WATCHING. IN 2023, THE US ARMY FORMALLY OVERTURNED THE CONVICTIONS OF HENRY AND THE OTHER 109 SOLDIERS CHARGED WITH CRIMES ASSOCIATED WITH THE 1917 UPRISING, ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THE MILITARY TRIALS HAD BEEN UNJUST AND BIASED, TAINTED BY RACIAL DISCRIMINATION. THE ARMY ANNOUNCED IT WOULD CORRECT THE MILITARY RECORDS OF THE CONVICTED SOLDIERS TO CHARACTERIZE THEIR SERVICE AS HONORABLE SLIDE. THEY'RE ALSO PROVIDING THE DESCENDANTS OF THOSE 110 SOLDIERS WITH SURVIVOR BENEFITS AND PROVIDING PROPER HEADSTONES FOR THEIR GRAVESTONES, ACKNOWLEDGING THEIR MILITARY SERVICE. AND THIS IS AN, UH, REENACTMENT GROUP FROM THE BUFFALO SOLDIERS HONORING SOME OF THOSE NEW TOSTONES OUT IN TEXAS RECENTLY, HENRY'S NIECE, BARBARA CLARK, WHO LIVES IN OAKLAND, COULDN'T BE HERE TODAY, BUT SHE'S WORKING ON SECURING A MILITARY HEADSTONE FOR HENRY'S GRAVE OUT AT CALVARY CEMETERY SLIDE. SO HISTORY, IF YOU WILL, UM, IS A STORY OF INDIVIDUALS RESPONDING CREATIVELY TO THE CONDITIONS AND CIRCUMSTANCES IN WHICH THEY FIND THEMSELVES. FEW HAVE DEMONSTRATED THAT WITH MORE FORTITUDE, RESILIENCE, OPTIMISM, AND GRACE THAN HENRY SCHNAT. HIS STORY IS AN EXTRAORDINARY COMPLEX AND DIFFICULT ONE, BUT ONE THAT CONVEYS SO MUCH OF WHAT BLACK HISTORIAN AND ACTIVIST WEB DEBO CALLED THE HIDEOUS MISTAKES, THE FRIGHTFUL WRONGS AND THE GREAT AND BEAUTIFUL THINGS THAT PEOPLE DO. HENRY'S CONTRIBUTION TO FINDING THE GOOD AND PETALUMA IN THE FACE OF ITS FRIGHTFUL WRONGS [00:20:01] NEEDS TO BE ACKNOWLEDGED AND HONORED, AS DOES HIS PERSONAL STORY, WHICH GIVES US A RICHER AND MORE INCLUSIVE VIEW OF THOSE MARGINALIZED OR ERASED FROM OUR CITY'S DOMINANT NARRATIVE. AND WITH THAT, I'LL TURN THINGS OVER TO CAROL BER SLIDE. THANKS. WELL, AS YOU KNOW, THE MISSION OF THE HCPC IS TO PROMOTE THE PRESERVATION OF SITES ASSOCIATED WITH THE HISTORY OF PETALUMA AND TO RECOGNI RECOMMEND THAT THEY BE DESIGNATED. UM, HENRY SCHNAT KNOWN AS THE SECOND CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IN PETALUMA WITH HIS BROCHURES AND INFORMATION AND HAPPY GREENINGS, HE WAS THE TOP AMBASSADOR OF GOODWILL WITH ALT'S CONVICTION OVERTURNED AND AN HONORABLE DISCHARGE GRANTED IN NOVEMBER OF 2023, WHICH WASN'T THAT LONG AGO. PETALUMA HAS THE OPPORTUNITY NOW TO RECOGNIZE A UNIQUE INDIVIDUAL. WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT SHANA BE RECOGNIZED BY NAMING THE ONE BLOCK STREET BETWEEN PALOMA BOULEVARD AND WATER STREET, WHERE HE HAD HIS FIRST SHOE SHINE STAND NEXT TO CENTRAL MARKET AND NAMING IT AFTER SCHNAT SCHNAT WAY, SCHNAT PASSAGE. THERE'S NO TRAFFIC THERE. IT'S, EXCEPT FOR DELIVERY TRUCKS, IT'S A PERFECT PLACE TO RECOGNIZE THIS INDIVIDUAL. UM, ALSO, UM, WE MIGHT CONSIDER A PLAQUE. THERE COULD BE A PLAQUE IN THE SIDEWALK. I'M NOT FAVORABLE ABOUT THAT BECAUSE PEOPLE WALK ON IT. BUT, UM, IT COULD BE ON A BUILDING IF THE BUILDING OWNER, UM, APPROVES OF THAT, I GUESS. UM, I THINK THE OTHER ISSUE IS FUNDRAISING, WHICH THE CITY WILL SAY, WELL, WE NEED MONEY TO DO THIS. AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASSURE YOU THAT THERE ARE FOLKS OUT THERE WHO WOULD BE VERY HAPPY TO RECOGNIZE HENRY EL SHANAT IN SOME WAY IN THIS TOWN. WE THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO, UM, DESIGNATE A MEMORIAL, UH, IN FEBRUARY OF 2025 DURING BLACK HISTORY MONTH, AND PERHAPS THE MILITARY TOMBSTONE WILL HAVE ARRIVED BY THEN AS WELL. AND WE WELCOME THE HCPC RECOMMENDATION TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS INITIATIVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, BOY, IT'S AN AMAZING STORY. CAN'T BE OVERSTATED, THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS. THANK YOU ALL FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD AND FOR BRINGING THIS HISTORY TO LIGHT. IT'S REALLY AMAZING. UM, WHY DON'T WE DO ANY COMMITTEE MEMBERS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME, AND THEN WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AFTER THAT AND, AND THEN MOVE INTO DISCUSSION AND ARMAN. YEAH. UM, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. IT WAS VERY, VERY INFORMATIVE. THIS IS, UH, THANK YOU. AND, UH, JOHN, YOU'RE A GREAT STORYTELLER, UM, IN THAT SENSE. I HAVE, UM, UM, ONE QUESTION RELATED TO, UM, I KNOW FAITH IS HERE AS FAR AS WHAT ORGANIZATIONS ARE, UM, SUPPORTING THIS. UM, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF INDIVIDUALS HERE THAT ARE SUPPORTING IT, BUT WHAT, WHAT GROUPS ARE SUPPORTING IT IN THE COMMUNITY OR IF THERE AREN'T ANY YET, OR BLACKS FOR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT'S BEEN HERE FOR 46 YEARS IN MONT. GREAT. IS THERE ANY OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, UM, THAT REPRESENT AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY HERE IN MONT? OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS OR FOR STAFF? I'LL MUTE RESPOND. OH, YOU WANTED TO RESPOND? I, I APOLOGIZE. UH, PLEASE COME TO THE, UH, DI USE THE MIC JUST VERY BRIEFLY. BRIEFLY. YOUR QUESTION WAS, ARE THERE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS SUPPORTING IT? UM, I HAPPEN TO BE, UH, UH, PETER CONE. I'M A 47 YEAR COOPERATING LAWYER WITH THE NATIONAL N-A-A-C-P. AND AS YOU KNOW, EVERY YEAR THE N-A-A-C-P HAS THE IMAGE AWARDS TO LIFT UP EXAMPLES OF PEOPLE WHO ARE OF EXTRAORDINARY CHARACTER, WHO CAN BE MODELS FOR THE NATION IN TERMS OF ART, CULTURE, MOVIES, THEATER, AND SO FORTH. UH, THE [00:25:01] APPLICABILITY TO THIS PROPOSAL, WHICH IS A WONDERFUL PROPOSAL, AND I CERTAINLY WOULD LIKE TO THANK MR. SHEEHY, UH, CAROL LIEBER, AND OF COURSE, UH, MY, MY DEAR FRIEND, UM, WITH PETALUMA BLACKS FOR, UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, FAITH ROSS, WHO, AS YOU KNOW, IS IN THE MIX ON SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS IN FURTHERING, UH, THE COMMUNITY OF PETALUMA. UH, ADDITIONALLY JUST, UH, KIND OF A FOOTNOTE IN TERMS OF THE N-A-A-C-P HISTORY, AND IN, IN SONOMA COUNTY, UH, BESSIE CHANEL, UH, WAS A MENTOR FOR YOUR WOMAN OF THE YEAR IN 1982, UH, GLORIA ROBINSON. AND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE IMPACT ACROSS GENERATIONS, IT'S PROFOUND. AND SO ON BEHALF OF THE, UH, NATIONAL, UH, N-A-A-C-P, UH, AND I WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH PRESIDENT DEREK JOHNSON, CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD, LEON RUSSELL. UH, WE NOT ONLY PROMOTE THE IMAGE AWARDS ANNUALLY, BUT A PROGRAM LIKE THIS IS EXTRAORDINARY. AND WHY IS THAT SO EXTRAORDINARY? IT'S EXTRAORDINARY BECAUSE WE HAVE ALL SEEN AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL INDIVIDUALS PURPORTEDLY CIVIC LEADERS WHO HAVE NO GOOD SENSE OF ETHICS. AND HERE YOU HAVE A PIAN WHO, IN SPITE OF THE RACIAL SEGREGATION IN THE MILITARY, IN SPITE OF THE WRONGFUL IMPRISONMENT FOR OVER 13 YEARS IN, IN FEDERAL PRISON IN LEAVENWORTH, IN SPITE OF ALL THAT, HE COMES TO PETALUMA, CALIFORNIA AND CAN PUT ALL OF THAT ASIDE, CAN PUT THE RACIALLY RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS ASIDE, THE UNWELCOMING, UH, FEATURES IN NOT ONLY OF PETALUMA, SONOMA COUNTY AT THE TIME, CAN PUT ALL THAT ASIDE AND THEN CAN STAND BEFORE YOU AS A PERSON WHO CAN SAY WITH A SMILE, WITH A WELCOMING GRACE. IF ONE LOOKS FOR THE GOOD IN OTHERS, THE BAD POINTS WILL VANISH. I THINK THAT PRIVATE CHANEL ACTUALLY MIRRORS ONE OF OUR GREAT LEADERS IN THE, UH, IN A A CP, THE LATE JULIAN BOND. AND AT THE TIME OF HIS PASSAGE, WASN'T IT INTERESTING WHAT PEOPLE SAID ABOUT HIM? HE HAD THE CAPACITY TO BRING OUT THE VERY BEST IN OTHERS. AND I THINK THAT IS CERTAINLY TRUE, UH, PRIVATE, UH, CHANEL THAT HE HAD THAT CAPACITY, AND THAT AT A TIME THAT OUR STUDENTS AND YOUNG PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR ROLE MODELS, WHAT BETTER WAY THAN TO LIFT UP THE MODEL OF NOT ONLY HE BUT HIS WIFE IN THE WAY THAT'S BEING PROPOSED BY THESE GOOD SOULS? SO I JUST CAME BY TODAY TO SAY THANK YOU AND THANK YOU TO THE COMMITTEE FOR CONSIDERING IT. UH, I THINK IT'S A WONDERFUL AND UPLIFTING PROPOSAL FOR OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND THANK YOU. WOULD YOU MIND STATING YOUR NAME JUST FOR THE RECORD? I, I'M SORRY. PETER COHEN. CO, RIGHT? YOU DID SAY THAT. HN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COMMITTEE MEMBERS? NO. OKAY. THEN, UM, WHY DON'T WE, WE NEED TO OPEN THIS UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. IF ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, UM, PLEASE SUBMIT A SPEAKER CARD TO THE CLERK. AND, UM, AND WE'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES ON THIS ITEM, UM, SEEING NOBODY ENC CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS ITEM, AND, UM, BRING IT BACK TO, UH, THE COMMITTEE FOR DISCUSSION. WHO WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN? WHITLEY. WELL, THANK YOU FOR, UH, CAROL FAITH AND JOHN FOR BRINGING THIS PROPOSAL IN. I THINK IT'S A GREAT, WONDERFUL PROPOSAL. UM, I AM IN FAVOR OF IT. UM, I THINK THAT IT, IT'S A GREAT WAY TO HONOR HENRY SCHNAT. UM, I WOULD, UM, WONDER, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR THE, FOR THE STAFF, UM, IF WE WERE TO RENAME THAT PASSAGE, HENRY CHANA WAY, UM, DOES THAT, UM, ENTAIL, UM, SETTING A SIGN THERE, A STREET SIGN? OR IS IT JUST, JUST FORMALLY NAMING IT? YEAH, I CAN TRY TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. SO IT'S REALLY THE GOVERNMENT CODE. ALL IT REQUIRES IS A RESOLUTION PASSED BY CITY COUNCIL. AND THEN ONCE THAT [00:30:01] RESOLUTION GETS PASSED, ADOPTED, WE WOULD SEND IT TO THE COUNTY CLERKS. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COUNTY CLERKS WOULD DO WITH IT, PROBABLY GIVE THE CALTRANS OR GOOGLE MAPS TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THE PEOPLE'S DIRECTIONS ARE CORRECT ON THEIR GPS. BUT THAT'S ALL IT TAKES. MM-HMM. . OKAY. UH, NEXT JOHN MEETING MEMBER PRO. UH, AGAIN, THANK YOU TO THE, UH, FOR EVERYBODY THAT PRESENTED IT WAS UPLIFTING. AND, UH, I AGREE THAT, UH, MR. CHANEL CERTAINLY DESERVES RECOGNITION, UH, FOR HIS, UH, HIS TENURE AND SERVICES TO THE TOWN OF PETALUMA. UM, THE, UH, CHOICE OF THE CURVED PART OF WATER STREET AS, UH, FOR A NAME CHANGE, UH, DOES HAVE ONE, UH, POTENTIALLY, UH, NON-TRIVIAL IMPACT. THERE IS A BUSINESS ON THAT SECTION OF WATER STREET CALLED THE WATER STREET BISTRO. ONCE THE NAME CHANGES, IT WON'T BE ON WATER STREET ANYMORE. I, UH, I, UM, PATRONIZE THAT PARTICULAR RESTAURANT AND ASKED STEPHANIE, UH, WHAT SHE THOUGHT OF THE POSSIBILITY OF A NAME CHANGE, AND SHE, UH, WAS, GAVE ME A GALLIC SHRUG AND SAID, WELL, THEY'LL DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, BUT, UH, IT WON'T HELP US. SO AT LEAST THAT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT, UH, WHEN CHOOSING A PARTICULAR PLACE TO, UH, MAKE THE, MAKE A NAME CHANGE. UM, AND JUST, AND AGAIN, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH. THANK YOU, JOHN. UH, ALICE, YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? YEAH, UM, I'M, I'M TOTALLY IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT. UM, AND, AND, BUT MY QUESTION AGAIN IS, YOU KNOW, UM, 1% OF THE POPULATION OF PETALUMA IS AFRICAN AMERICAN. THERE'S ONE ORGANIZATION THAT'S, UH, SUPPORTING THIS, YOU KNOW, IF THERE COULD BE OTHER, UM, I DON'T KNOW, LETTERS OF SUPPORT, AND MAYBE IT WILL COME OUT WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. UM, BUT, UM, I JUST FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE PILLOW, I MEAN, I WON'T GIVE ANY EXAMPLES, BUT IF OTHER ORGANIZATIONS COULD SUPPORT IT SOMEHOW WITH, UH, SOME KIND OF A STATEMENT, UM, UH, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. AND THEN AS FAR AS THE I FOR CITY STAFF, UM, THE, HAS THERE BEEN A PROCESS LIKE THIS BEFORE THAT WE CAN FOLLOW? OR IS THIS LIKE FOR AS FAR AS STREET NAMING? YEAH, I THINK THIS WOULD BE A NEW ONE, UNLESS ANDREW KNOWS MORE THAN I DO. NO. SO THAT'S OKAY. WE'RE HAPPY TO REINVENT THE WHEEL. YOU KNOW, OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE IT, SO I'M SURE WE COULD GOOGLE WHATEVER THE GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION IS AND FIND A RESOLUTION STAFF REPORT. THAT'D BE, UH, PROBABLY A PRETTY GOOD TEMPLATE, BUT IT, IT REALLY WOULDN'T BE TOO HARD, I DON'T THINK. YEAH. GLAD TO HEAR THAT. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. OH YEAH. JOHN, CAN I ADDRESS ONE QUICK, PLEASE. UM, AND THIS IS, THANK YOU, JOHN, PER, FOR RAISING THAT ISSUE ABOUT WATER STREET, THIS DRY, ENJOY IT AS WELL. UM, TERRY PARK, WHO IS A RESEARCHER AT THE PENMAN HISTORICAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM, MANY OF YOU KNOW, HE AND I HAVE, UH, EMBARKED UPON DETERMINING WHETHER THAT IS ACTUALLY A NAMED STREET. UM, IT USED TO BE OCCUPIED BY THE MONTGOMERY WARDS BUILDING, UH, UNTIL SOMETIME, I THINK THE EARLY SIXTIES. IT WAS TORN DOWN. IT WAS VACANT FOR MANY YEARS BEFORE THE LAMANCHA BUILDING, AS WE KNOW IT NOW, WENT UP TO 1999, BUT THERE WAS NEVER A STREET THERE. SO WATER STREET IS NAMED, PEN BOULEVARD IS NAMED WESTERN AVENUE, BUT THAT WAS NEVER A DESIGNATED STREET TO ANY OF THE RESEARCH THAT WE CAN FIND. SO THAT MIGHT BE ANOTHER AREA TO DIVE INTO TO SEE IF IT ACTUALLY HAS A NAME OR IF IT'S JUST AN ALLEYWAY, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IT IS. AND WE'D BE RENAMING, WE'D BE NAMING AN ALLEY, ESSENTIALLY. SO, YES. COMMITTEE MEMBER ROSE. YES. WELL, FOR, UM, THAT MAY ACT MAY BE TRUE FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, THOUGH, IF YOU GOOGLE MAPS BELIEVES IT'S PART OF WATER STREET . THERE YOU GO. WELL, UH, JUST AS A, JUST AS A, A PRACTICAL MATTER, SOMEBODY LOOKING FOR IT, WE'LL SEE, UH, USING A MAPPING MAPPING SOFTWARE WILL SEE THAT AS WATER STREET. THAT'S ALL GOOD. BUT WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE UNNAMED SECTION BETWEEN THE BOULEVARD AND WATER STREET WILL STILL REMAIN WATER STREET. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THAT LEAVES ME, I, UH, ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT THIS. I, I THINK IT'S, UM, INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT HISTORY FOR ALL OF US. YOU KNOW, I, I AGREE. IT'S, I THINK WHEN MORE PEOPLE HEAR ABOUT IT, MORE PEOPLE WILL SUPPORT IT. ABSOLUTELY. UM, SO I ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT IT AND WOULD LIKE, I THINK IT'S, THE TIMING IS GREAT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT MOVE FORWARD AS RAPIDLY AS POSSIBLE. I'D LIKE FOR US AS A COMMITTEE TO BE ABLE TO SAY, OKAY, THIS IS GOOD ENOUGH. MOVE FORWARD, WORK WITH THE ART COMMITTEE PUBLIC [00:35:01] WORKS, IF YOU NEED AN ENCROACHMENT PERMIT, WHATEVER IT WOULD TAKE TO RENAME THAT PART OF THE STREET. HOWEVER, I, I KINDA WANNA TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, THIS SORT OF HIGHLIGHTS THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE A, A PROCESS OR A TOOL OR ANY CONVENTION FOR DESIGNATING OR, YOU KNOW, COMMEMORATING A PERSON OR AN EVENT. AND I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE BIGGER DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE ALL HAVING ABOUT DEVELOPING A HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROGRAM FOR ALL OF PETALUMA, WHICH ENCOMPASSES ALL OF THESE, THIS TYPE OF THING, SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A POLICY AND THERE'D BE A CLEAR PROCESS. WE COULD SAY, YES, GO. THIS IS ALL IT TAKES. SO, UM, THE LAST THING I WANNA DO IS THROW UP ANY KIND OF ROADBLOCKS. WE HAVE AN ITEM ON OUR AGENDA TODAY, ITEM THREE, WHICH I THINK SORT OF ADDRESSES THAT NEED. AND I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE THAT DISCUSSION TO THAT ITEM. AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT, YEAH, THAT THIS COMMITTEE, IF, IF WE ALL AGREE, CAN SUPPORT THIS AND RECOMMEND THAT IT MOVE FORWARD WITH, YOU KNOW, WHOEVER YOU, YOU NEED TO, UH, ENGAGE. I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA OF HAVING A, A STREET RENAMING IS EXCELLENT. I THINK HAVING AN, LIKE AN ARTISTIC A, A SCULPTURAL SIGNPOST THAT WAS SOMEHOW, YOU KNOW, ALSO A COMMEMORATIVE SCULPTURE WOULD BE FANTASTIC. UM, I'M, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT TWO THINGS, YOU KNOW, JUST IN, IN GENERAL FOR, UM, COMMEMORATIVE AND INTERPRETIVE EXHIBITS. UM, WE SEEM TO HAVE THEM ARE ALL OVER TOWN, AND A LOT OF 'EM HAVEN'T WEATHERED VERY WELL. AND, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T, IT DOESN'T TAKE LONG WHERE THEY, THEY, THEY FADE AND THEY WEATHER, AND THEY NO LONGER HONOR THE HISTORY AT ALL. THEY JUST KIND OF BECOME CLUTTER. SO WHATEVER WE DO, I THINK THIS, THIS HISTORY NEEDS TO BE TOLD FOREVER. SO WHATEVER WE DO NEEDS TO BE AS DURABLE AND AS PERMANENT AS IT COULD BE. AND, UM, AND ALSO NOT TO ALSO CONTRIBUTE TO THE, THE CLUTTER OF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO AT THE END OF WATER STREET AT BALSHAW BRIDGE, I THINK THERE ARE HALF A DOZEN PLAQUES ALREADY THERE. SO THIS SHOULD STAND OUT, YOU KNOW, AS SOMETHING ELSE. AND ALSO SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, AS MONUMENTAL AND AS PERMANENT, DURABLE AS IT CAN BE. SO AGAIN, MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND THE COMMITTEE DOESN'T NEED TO BE INVOLVED WITH THIS ANYMORE. WE CAN JUST RECOMMEND THAT PLEASE GO FORWARD. I DON'T KNOW HOW STAFF WOULD RESPOND TO THAT WHILE WE WORK OUT A PROGRAM IN THE FUTURE. AND JUST WHATEVER WE DO NOT HOLD THIS UP, CREATE ANY ROADBLOCKS RIGHT NOW. I WOULD RECOMMEND CHAIR, JUST FOR BROWN ACT PURPOSES, IT LOOKS LIKE THIS WAS JUST A PRESENTATION. YEAH. UH, MAYBE AT THE NEXT MEETING WE COULD SCHEDULE A FORMAL VOTE FOR A RECOMMENDATION AND RESOLUTION TO PROVIDE CITY COUNCIL, UH, FOR THIS TO GO FORWARD. OKAY. YEAH. AND THAT'LL JUST BE FOR BROWN ACT PURPOSES, JUST TO BE SAFE. YEAH. SUPPORT THAT. ALTHOUGH I, YOU KNOW, I, ANOTHER ITEM WE HAVE IS, UH, AT LEAST TWO OF US WON'T BE HERE AT THE NEXT MEETING. SO, UM, IF WE COULD TAKE ACTION AFTER HEARING THIS TODAY. I DON'T KNOW, I, I GET REALIZE WE CAN'T TAKE ACTION, BUT MAYBE NO ACTION IS REQUIRED, IS WHAT I'M SUGGESTING. THAT, UM, CHAIR, I WAS JUST CHECKING IN. UM, WE DON'T HAVE IT AGENDIZED FOR A DECISION OR A VOTE, BUT WHAT WE CAN DO IS ASK THE CLERK TO HAVE THE MINUTES REFLECT, UM, INDIVIDUAL COMMITTEE MEMBER SUPPORT FOR, UM, A, A RES A FUTURE RESOLUTION, UM, SUPPORTING SOME SORT OF RECOGNITION, BECAUSE WE DO WANT TO WORK OUT THE DETAILS OF, OF WHAT THAT PROGRAM OR RECOGNITION MIGHT LOOK LIKE. UM, SO I THINK IF, IF, IF WE WOULD DO THAT, IF YOU WOULD JUST CALL FOR EACH COMMITTEE MEMBER, UM, TO JUST STATE THEIR SUPPORT FOR A FUTURE RESOLUTION, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THE CLERKS RECORD THAT INTO THE MINUTES, AND WE CAN USE THAT THEN IN THE FUTURE. EXCELLENT. THANKS FOR THINKING ON YOUR FEET. GOOD PROBLEM SOLVING. NOW, I KNOW THERE WERE SOME ISSUES. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ALSO CARRY FORTH THE CONCERNS OF, YOU KNOW, JOHN HAS ABOUT RENAMING AND SUCH. BUT, BUT IF, UM, CAN WE GO DOWN THE LINE AND VOICE YOUR SUPPORT OR OTHERWISE, DO WE NEED A ROLL CALL? DO WE NEED A ROLL CALL? NO, WE WON'T DO A ROLL CALL, BUT WE'LL JUST READ IT AND WE'LL JUST HAVE IT IN. I SUPPORT, I SUPPORT IT, I SUPPORT IT. BUT IF IT DOES GO IN FRONT OF, IF AN ONE ADDITIONAL LETTER OF SUPPORT, UH, OR WOULD BE, OR MORE WOULD BE BETTER, I SUPPORT IT. BUT I ALSO URGE THE, UH, THE GROUP, UH, PUTTING IT FORWARD TO AT LEAST HAVE A CHAT WITH STEPHANIE ABOUT IT. GREAT. GREAT. THAT WILL WORK FOR US. AND OF COURSE, WE HAVE THE, THE VIDEO OF THIS, THIS, UH, PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION TO REFLECT UPON AS WELL. YEAH. GREAT. THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU. GREAT. UH, WAY TO RESOLVE THAT. AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO TALK MORE ABOUT THE PROCESS LATER, BUT, UM, OKAY. I THINK THAT CONCLUDES THE ITEM, BUT I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU ALL AGAIN. IT'S SO WONDERFUL FOR YOU TO BRING THIS FORWARD AND WISH IT THE BEST. [00:40:02] OKAY. THAT'S IT. UM, LET'S MOVE ON [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] TO ITEM TWO, WHICH IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM OUR, IS IT MAY 7TH MEETING 2024. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CHANGES OR EDITS? SEEING NONE. CAN WE GET A ROLL CALL? VOTE FOR A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. I MOVE. SO MOVE BY COMMITTEE MEMBER WHITLEY. SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. BITE VAN, ARM COMMITTEE MEMBER PERLIS AYE. COMMITTEE MEMBER PEN NGARO. ABSENT COMMITTEE MEMBER WHITLEY AYE. VICE CHAIR VAN OER? UH, YES. CHAIR REINHARDT. AYE. MINUTES APPROVED. GREAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, LEMME JUST CATCH UP HERE. ITEM THREE THEN. [PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION] OKAY. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING UNDER PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR, UH, FOR CONSIDERATION, A DISCUSSION ITEM, UH, BRINGING UP THE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE HCPC AD HOC COMMITTEE, PROVIDING NON BINDING FEEDBACK, UH, FOR AMENDMENTS TO IMPLEMENTING ZONING ORDINANCE CHAPTER 15, THE SMART CODE, THE GENERAL PLAN, AND THE ONWARD. UM, SO THIS IS, AGAIN, NOT A PUBLIC, IT IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY EX PARTE, UH, DISCLOSURES. AND, UH, THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL STAFF PRESENTATION. BUT WE'VE HAD THE REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS IN FRONT OF US NOW FOR TWO MEETINGS. SO, UM, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS ITEM. DO WE HAVE ANYBODY HERE WISHING TO SPEAK? AGAIN, THIS IS A YOU PRESENTATION AS LISTED ON THE AGENDA. SEEING NONE, UH, WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK BEFORE THE MEETING. THANK YOU. YEAH. OKAY. THAT CLOSES PUBLIC COMMENT AND, UH, WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE FOR A DISCUSSION. UM, I THINK MY, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE'VE MADE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND STAFF'S DONE AN AMAZING JOB OF TURNING THEM AROUND AND MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS FOR HOW TO MOVE FORWARD. AND WE'VE, THEY'VE IDENTIFIED THREE SPECIAL PROJECTS TO TACKLE THESE ITEMS, AND I UNDERSTAND THEY'RE MAYBE FUNDING. WE KIND OF TRY TO CLEAR THAT UP WITH THE DIRECTOR. AND IT SEEMS LIKE THAT, UM, THE FUNDING FOR THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED OR WILL BE APPROVED WITH THIS BUDGET. AND, UM, SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THESE SPECIAL PROJECTS MOVING FORWARD. UM, I THINK IT'S TO THE COMMITTEE NOW TO DECIDE TO DISCUSS IF ANYBODY HAS ANY DISAGREEMENTS OR OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS THEY'D LIKE TO ADD. UM, COMMITTEE MEMBER PER, UM, BACK ON MY FAVORITE HOBBY HORSE OF THE, UH, STRUCTURES OF MERIT, UH, PROGRAM. UM, I DO HAVE, I HAD A, A SECOND, UM, PRESENTATION THAT I PREPARED, UH, FOR THE, UH, UM, COMMITTEE. IT WON'T BE NECESSARY TO GIVE IT, BUT I DO HAVE A, UH, A POINT TO MAKE, UH, TO, AND A REQUEST FOR STAFF AS THEY GO FORWARD, UM, EVALUATING THE POSSIBILITIES OF A PROGRAM LIKE THIS. MM-HMM. . UH, AND THAT IS, UH, THE, UH, THE ITEM WHICH GOT ME GOING ON THE, ON THE TOPIC IN THE FIRST PLACE WAS THE QUESTION OF, UH, LOSING THE, UM, UH, LOSING THE, UH, DISCRETION OF THE PLANNING MANAGER FOR, UM, INITIATING HISTORIC SPAR FOR, UH, UNDESIGNATED, UH, PROPERTIES THAT WERE COMING UP FOR, UH, TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. SO ONCE, UH, ONCE WE BECOME A, UH, CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT, UH, THAT, UH, UH, UH, UH, UM, WE WILL LOSE THAT ABILITY AND, UH, THESE PROPERTIES WON'T NECESSARILY, UH, QUALIFY OR RE BE REQUIRED TO HAVE HISTORIC SPAR FOR, UH, REMODELS. LET ME, LET ME START THAT AGAIN. I HAVE, CAN I ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION? GO AHEAD, PLEASE. UM, STRUCTURES OF MERIT ARE JUST APPROVED BY US. DOES, DOES IT GO TO CITY COUNCIL? YES. THAT WOULD BE, THAT'S PART OF IT ALL TO BE DETERMINED THOUGH, RIGHT? YES. WE DIDN'T TO DEVELOP THE PROGRAM, BUT SPECIAL PROJECT NUMBER THREE, WE'LL WORK ALL THAT OUT, I BELIEVE. IS THAT RIGHT? RIGHT. UM, [00:45:02] LET ME READ WHAT I HAVE HERE. , UH, ONCE PETALUMA CHANGES THE, UH, IZO CHAPTER 15 TO CONFORM WITH STATE REQUIREMENTS FOR US, UH, BECOMING A CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT, A REPLACEMENT PROCESS FOR THE CURRENT PLANNING MANAGER, DISCRETION WILL HAVE TO BE FOUND OR ELSE REMODELS OF POTENTIALLY HISTORIC STRUCTURES OUTSIDE THE CURRENT HISTORIC DISTRICTS WILL NOT COME, UH, UP FOR HAR, UH, WAS, UM, I'M, WELL, I WANT TO, I WANT TO CLARIFY ONE POINT. SO THE PLANNING MANAGER DOESN'T HAVE DISCRETION TO APPROVE DISCRETIONARY REVIEWS. THAT THAT DISCRETION, THAT LEVEL OF ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW OF DISCRETION IS PROVIDED TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, AND THEN THE PLANNING MANAGER ACTS AT THE, AT THE REQUEST OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. SO, OKAY. A BIT OF CLARIFICATION THERE, BUT I DO WANT TO ASK ISABEL FOR A CLARIFICATION ON, UH, IF WE WOULD SEE CHANGES TO DISCRETIONARY ENTITLEMENT REQUIREMENTS AS A RESULT OF THE CLG DESIGNATION TO, TO MY KNOWLEDGE FROM WHAT WAS, UH, RECOMMENDED FROM THE, THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION, UH, WERE MINOR LANGUAGE MODIFICATIONS, UH, TO CLARIFY, UH, WHAT ARE THE HISTORIC, UH, RESOURCES CURRENTLY LISTED IN PETALUMA? UH, THAT WOULD, UH, FALL UNDER THE, THE HISTORIC REVIEW? UM, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD REMOVE DISCRETIONARY, UH, COMPLETELY. UM, BUT IT'S REALLY TO DEFINE WHAT THE HISTORIC RESOURCES ARE, UH, WITHIN CITY OF PETALUMA, UH, NOT EXTENDED TO OTHER INVENTORIES THAT ARE NOT, UM, CURRENTLY IN A LANDMARK, UH, REGISTER. UM, AND, AND I THINK, UH, PERLA, IF, IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL NOTES THAT WE CAN OVER, UH, DURING THAT PERIOD THAT WE'RE REVIEWING AND MAKING MODIFICATIONS TO PROPOSE TO THE IZO, WE'RE HAPPY TO LOOK AT, AT, UH, YOUR FINDINGS AS WELL TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT LOSING, UM, AT, FOR THE DESIGN REVIEW AND, AND MAJOR SPARSE. OKAY. THAT MY UNDERSTANDING ON THAT, UH, WENT BACK TO DISCUSSIONS, UH, WITH YOUR PREDECESSOR. MM-HMM. , UH, AND I WAS PRETTY CLEAR, I THOUGHT ON THE, UH, FACT THAT, UH, WE WOULDN'T, WE WOULD NEED A REPLACEMENT PROCESS FOR THE CURRENT, UH, PROCESS OF, OF DISCRETION, UH, BY PLANNING, UM, ASSUMING THAT THAT IS THE CASE. . UM, ONE OF THE ASPECTS OF THE, UH, SANTA BARBARA STYLE STRUCTURES OF MERIT PROGRAM IS THAT, UH, UM, ONCE, UH, ONCE A, UH, PROPERTY OWNER COMES TO BUILDING WITH A, UH, A REMODEL, UH, THE, UH, PLANNING CAN AT THAT POINT, UH, INITIATE THE KICKOFF, A STRUCTURES OF MERIT, UH, PROCESS, WHICH, UH, REQUIRES THAT A, UH, QUALIFIED, UH, UM, HIS, UM, HISTORICAL ARCHITECTURAL HISTORIAN PRODUCES A REPORT. AND THEN BASED ON THAT REPORT, THE, UH, UH, THEIR VERSION OF THE HCPC WILL, UH, BE ABLE TO DE MAKE A DETERMINATION OF WHETHER OR NOT THAT PROPERTY IS ADDED TO THEIR HISTORIC REGISTER, THEIR STRUCTURES OF MERIT REGISTER IN THAT CASE. AND THEN IT WILL HAVE TO HAVE A HISTORIC SPA IN IF IT, UH, IF IT IS SO DETERMINED. UM, I, UH, IF INDEED IT TURNS OUT THAT THIS, THAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS NECESSARY, I, UH, UH, I URGE THE, UH, I URGE THE STAFF TO, UM, KEEP THAT ONE PART OF THE, UH, OF THE PROCESS AS, UH, AN OPTION. SO EVEN IF, EVEN IF IT'S NOT FOUND FEASIBLE TO DO A FULL STRUCTURES OF MERIT PROGRAM, UM, TO ENCOURAGE, UH, FOR INSTANCE, PROPERTY OWNERS TO COME FORTH AND, UH, PUT THEIR, THEIR PROPERTY FORWARD AS HISTORIC RESOURCES, UH, THAT, THAT AT LEAST, UH, GOES FORWARD AGAIN, UH, WITH THE PROVISO, IF I'M CORRECT, AND IF IT WILL BE REQUIRED ONCE WE'RE, UH, CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT. AND THAT'S MY RATHER RAMBLING , BUT ONLY, UH, UM, REQUEST ON THAT. I WANNA FOLLOW UP ON THAT. 'CAUSE I, THE SAME KIND OF THING CAUGHT MY EYE IN THE, UM, STAFF REPORT. THERE IS A LINE THAT SAYS, INDICATES IN YOUR CORRESPONDENCE, UM, WITH, UM, THE STATE OFFICE, ISABEL, IT DOES SAY ONLY DESIGNATED SITES ARE SUBJECT TO THIS REVIEW. AND SO I THINK, I'M NOT SURE, I'M PRETTY SURE THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT WE BELIEVE THERE ARE A LOT OF UNDESIGNATED SITES WHICH [00:50:01] ARE POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT THAT SHOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE REVIEW. IS THAT RIGHT? SO I MEAN, IT SPECIFICALLY STATES THAT ONLY DES PREVIOUSLY DESIGNATED PROPERTIES ARE SUBJECT TO THE REVIEW. SO I DON'T, I DIDN'T CATCH THAT AS A PROVISION OF THE CLG UM, REQUIREMENT, BUT I ALSO WANTED TO CHALLENGE THAT. SO IS THAT, IS THAT A FACT? I MEAN, DO WE, DO WE HAVE A LOCAL AN, AN ABILITY FOR THE LOCAL CODE TO, UM, STILL HAVE SOME JURISDICTION OVER UNDESIGNATED PROPERTIES? THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO DEFINE, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE, UM, REVIEWING THE ACCURATE HISTORIC RESOURCES THAT ARE CURRENTLY DESIGNATED. UM, AND IN TERMS OF ELIGIBLE HISTORIC RESOURCES THERE, THEY WOULD STILL BE CAPTURED, UH, WITH A SQA REVIEW, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO IMPACT TO ELIGIBLE HISTORIC RESOURCES. UM, BUT IT'S, UH, THE INTENTION IS NOT TO APPLY, UM, DISCRETIONARY REVIEW TO, TO PROPERTIES THAT ARE UNLISTED OR UN NOT DESIGNATED, UM, KIND OF OUTSTRETCHING THE, THE WORK, UH, FOR, FOR H SPARS. UM, SO IT'S REALLY TO HONE IN ON THE HISTORIC RESOURCES THAT HAVE BEEN, UH, OFFICIALLY DESIGNATED, UH, THROUGH THE CITY. SO IF THE CQA PROCESS IDENTIFIED SIGN POTENTIAL SIGNIFICANCE, THEN IT MAY STILL COME TO HAR? CORRECT. GREAT. THANK YOU. IS IT, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE, JOHN? SO THROUGH, THERE'S GONNA BE EVALUATED THROUGH CQA, BUT IF THEY'RE NOT EXEMPT, I GUESS? UH, CORRECT. AND I CAN GIVE A BRIEF SCENARIO IN TERMS OF, UH, ONCE RECEIVING A PROJECT ON A PROPERTY THAT HAS NOT BEEN EVALUATED, WE WOULD TAKE THAT OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO EVALUATE IF IT'S AN ELIGIBLE HISTORIC RESOURCES, UH, MAKE A SQL FINDING. UM, AND IF IT IS A HISTORIC RESOURCE, WE WOULD SEE WHAT THE IMPACTS ARE AND, AND MOVE AND SEE WHERE THE DISCRETIONARY, UM, APPLICATIONS WOULD COME IN. UM, SO IT'S REALLY ON THE SCOPE OF WORK, UH, AND THE TYPE OF PROPERTY. AND IF IT, IT, IF THERE IS AN EVALUATION THAT DETERMINES IT AS AN ELIGIBLE HISTORIC RESOURCE, IN THE CASE OF RESIDENTIAL REMODELS, WHICH ARE ALMOST ALWAYS EXEMPT FROM CQA THOUGH, RIGHT. WOULD, UH, NOT FOR PROPERTIES, UH, RANGING FROM 45 YEARS OR OLDER. OKAY. RIGHT. THANK YOU. YEAH. DOES THAT HELP, JOHN? IT IT DOES, BUT UH, UH, AGAIN, REMEMBERING WHAT, WHAT, UH, MY, MY DISCUSSIONS IN, IN THIS CHAMBER WITH HEATHER, UH, IT WAS PRETTY CLEAR TO ME AT THAT POINT THAT, UH, IT, EVEN WITH SQL REVIEW, IT COULDN'T JUST BE PLANNING SAYING, WELL, WE'RE GONNA INITIATE HAR. IT HAD TO BE, HAD TO GO, UH, SOMETHING HAD TO BE DONE TO DESIGNATE THE PROPERTY BEFORE HA COULD BE, UH, APPLIED. NOW, IF I'M RIGHT ABOUT THAT , THEN YOU DO NEED SOMETHING LIKE THIS. AND THE NICE THING IS, IF YOU HAVE THIS FOR THAT, UH, PURPOSE, THEN YOU ALSO HAVE ALL OF THE, UH, PROCESS AND STRUCTURE PUT IN PLACE TO EVENTUALLY ROLL OUT A FULL STRUCTURE OF MERIT PROGRAM AT SUCH TIME AS THE, UH, FUNDING MIGHT BECOME AVAILABLE FOR IT. I, I THINK THAT THE GOAL THAT THE GOAL THAT YOU'RE SEEKING WOULD LIE WITHIN THE POLICIES IN THE STRUCTURE OF MERIT PROGRAM. AND SO AS THOSE P AS THAT PROGRAM IS DEVELOPED AS, AS A POLICY, AND THEN THROUGH, THROUGH THE, THE IMPLEMENTATION PROCEDURES AND SUCH, IT MAY BE THE CASE THAT, YOU KNOW, LOCALLY, A A, A SITE THAT IS DESIGNATED AS A STRUCTURE OF MERIT MAY BE REQUIRED TO, TO SUBMIT FOR HISTORIC SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW FOR MODIFICATIONS. BUT WE WOULD PLACE THAT REQUIREMENT WITHIN THE STRUCTURE OF MERIT POLICY PROGRAM, AND THEN THAT WOULD KICK IN THEN AS THAT POLICY PROGRAM IS IMPLEMENTED. SO IT'S A GREAT OBSERVATION AND IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF AS WE LOOK AT THOSE STRUCTURED MERIT PROGRAM BEST PRACTICES AND, AND SEE HOW MANY OF THEM ARE REQUIRING THEN AN ELEVATION OF, UM, REVIEW TO HCPC, DEPENDING UPON THE LEVEL OF, OF IMPROVEMENTS OR MODIFICATIONS THAT ARE PROPOSED. AND OF COURSE, THE, UH, HISTORIC MERIT OF THE STRUCTURE. CORRECT, CORRECT. RIGHT. UM, THANK YOU, BECAUSE I WAS, I WAS, AS YOU WERE TALKING, I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE, UM, THE, UH, KELLY CREEK SITE THAT WAS PART OF SCOTT RANCH, AND OF COURSE THAT WAS, THAT WAS DEEMED ELIGIBLE FOR LOCAL DESIGNATION, OR LOCAL DESIGNATION WAS DESIRED. SO PART OF [00:55:01] THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL WERE THAT THAT SHOULD BE, UM, GO THROUGH THE PROCESS TO BECOME A LOCALLY DESIGNATED LANDMARK. AND, AND THAT WAS DONE. AND THEN HAR IS APPLIED BECAUSE IT'S A LOCAL LANDMARK DESIGNATION. AND SO THAT SORT OF REFLECTS THAT POLICY. SO SIMILARLY, YOU COULD HAVE A STRUCTURE OF MERIT PROGRAM THAT WOULD SAY THAT IF, IF A, IF A SITE IS AWARDED OR RECEIVES A STRUCTURE OF MERIT DESIGNATION, THAT THEN ANY MODIFICATIONS WOULD BE REQUIRED TO UNDERGO DISCRETIONARY REVIEW THROUGH THE HISTORIC SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW PROCESS IN DOING SO, THEN THEY WOULD COME BEFORE HCPC OR THEY COULD COME BEFORE THE DIRECTOR IF, IF IT'S A MINOR SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW LEVEL. GOT IT. GREAT. THANKS. GREAT. THANK YOU. COMMITTEE MEMBER PERLIS, UH, ANY FURTHER COMMITTEE COMMENTS? YES. COMMITTEE MEMBER MAYOR AUBURN? YEAH, I HAVE THIS QUESTION ABOUT THE CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT. I MEAN, IT'S A TOP PRIORITY PROJECT. UM, AND COMPLETE IT, IT SAYS COMPLETE THE APPLICATION. MY QUESTION IS, UH, WE'VE ALREADY SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION. I'M JUST WONDERING HOW MUCH MORE WORK NEEDS TO BE DONE ON THIS APPLICATION? AND THEN ALSO, AREN'T WE WAITING TILL AFTER THE GENERAL PLAN TO MAKE THOSE MODIFICATIONS THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING? AND DOES THAT PUT US OUT 2025? UH, I, I'LL GO AHEAD AND ANSWER AND, AND SHARE THE QUESTION WITH ANDREW. UM, SO FROM THE CLG APPLICATION THAT WE HAD DRAFTED INITIALLY, UH, IT WAS SHARED WITH THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION, AND THAT'S WHEN WE RECEIVED THOSE INITIAL COMMENTS. UH, SO A FORMAL SUBMISSION IS WHAT WE WOULD AIM TO COMPLETE, UH, FOR, FOR END OF THIS YEAR, UH, ONCE HAVING DIRECTION AND APPROVAL AND, AND TIME AND BUDGET. UM, BUT THAT'S INTENTION TO, TO SUBMIT A FULL APPLICATION AND, AND HAVE THE CLG UH, CERTIFICATION. UM, AND THEN THE, THE SECOND QUESTION WAS, UH, WAIT FOR, UM, THE GENERAL PLANT EFFORTS, UM, FROM PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS, WE'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CLG PRIOR TO THAT AND REALLY FOCUS ON THE, THE AMENDMENTS JUST FOR THAT LANGUAGE OF CLG. UM, AND IF I ANSWER THAT, UH, ANYTHING ELSE, ANDREW? I JUST THINK THAT'S CORRECT. WE DO SEE VALUE TO, UM, PURSUING THE CLG APPLICATION AND, AND DESIGNATION. UH, AND I BELIEVE THAT THE, THE ICO AMENDMENTS AS WELL AS, UM, IF THERE'S ANY AMENDMENTS TO THE PETALUMA MUNICIPAL CODE, I'M THINKING OF, OF THE, UM, QUALIFICATIONS FOR, FOR MEMBERS OF HCPC THAT MAY NEED TO BE, WE MAY NEED TO DO A, UM, A DIFFERENT TYPE OF AMENDMENT FOR THAT. UM, THEY'RE VERY SPECIFIC AND, AND SO IT'S ALMOST SURGICAL IN A SENSE. AND SO WE WOULD BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE THOSE AMENDMENTS PRIOR TO THE, UM, IEO UPDATE COMING FORWARD. BUT, BUT SOME OF THE OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE AD HOC COMMITTEE THAT REFLECT THE GOALS OF HCPC WOULD WAIT FOR THE ICO AMENDMENTS, UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE MORE COMPREHENSIVE IN NATURE. YEAH. I'D LIKE TO ADD THE CLG RECOMMENDATION AND, UH, POLICY WAS FROM OUR LAST GENERAL PLAN EFFORT. SO HERE WE ARE AT, I THINK IT WOULD BE, WE'RE HOPING THAT BY THE TIME WE SUBMIT OUR FINAL DRAFT OF THIS GENERAL PLAN UPDATE THAT WE HAVE ACHIEVED, UH, CLG STATUS SO THAT THE POLICIES CAN REFLECT THAT WE ARE, AND NOT THAT WE ASPIRE TO BE THIS TIME. SO I'M JUST WONDERING, I KNOW IT SEEMS LIKE WE JUST NEED A SIMPLE, A ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT IF WE'RE JUST GONNA LIMIT IT TO THE CLG APPLICATION. SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN SOON? YES, AS PART OF THE REQUEST TO, UM, TO HAVE THE EFFORTS FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROGRAM, UH, THAT IS INCLUDED IN OUR EFFORTS FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. UH, THAT'LL ALLOCATE TIME FOR STAFF TO REVIEW, TO IMPLEMENT PARTIAL, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE AD HOC, UH, FOCUS ON THE CLG APPLICATION. AND, UM, LIKE DISCUSSIONS FOR TODAY IN TERMS OF A HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROGRAM, UH, THAT HIGHLIGHTS INDIVIDUALS. UM, SO WE, WE DO SEE THE NEED AND, AND ARE ADDRESSING THAT IN THE FISCAL YEAR WITH SUPPORT OF, OF, UH, THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. YES. OKAY. SO SPECIAL PROJECT, A COMPLETION OF CLG APPLICATION THAT'S NOT GONNA COMMENCE UNTIL NEXT FISCAL YEAR, WHICH IS, UH, JUNE. JUNE, OKAY. RIGHT. SO CITY COUNCIL IS REVIEWING THE, UH, FISCAL YEAR 24 BUDGET CURRENTLY. YEAH. AND, UH, WE'VE, WE'VE REQUESTED [01:00:01] FUNDING FOR THOSE SPECIAL PROJECTS, SO WE'LL KNOW BY, BY THE END OF THE MONTH. RIGHT. UM, WHAT'S, WHAT'S BEEN FUNDED. OKAY. AND THAT'LL BE OUR PRIORITY. I LIKE THAT YOU'VE NAMED IT A, BECAUSE I THINK IT SEEMS LIKE THE, THE LOW HANGING FRUIT, AND I REALLY THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT, THAT WE HAVE THIS AT LEAST AS MUCH AS WE CAN TO GET IT DONE BEFORE THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE. OKAY. UH, ANY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COMMITTEE MEMBER VAN ARMAN? SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU. YEAH, I MEAN, I REALLY FOCUSED ON, UM, STAFF'S RESPONSE TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE AD HOC COMMITTEE. AND SO, UM, AND THEY WERE GREAT, BY THE WAY. I DON'T KNOW WHO DID THESE, BUT, AND I LIKE THE WAY THEY'RE, THEY'RE ORDERED, BUT I'M KIND OF FOCUSING ON ITEM NUMBER SIX. WERE BASICALLY THE ONES THAT KIND OF GOT KICKED OUT OR NOT APPROPRIATE. UM, SO JUST SOME, SOME CLARIFYING QUESTION. THE WHOLE, UM, SO ONE THING THAT GOT KNOCKED OUT WAS CONTINUE TO OFFER NO COST CONCEPT LEVEL REVIEW BY THE COMMITTEE TO DETERMINE WHETHER A PROJECT IS ON TRACK OR NOT. UM, AND I THINK CITY STAFF ALREADY DOES THAT. UM, BUT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE NO COST OR THE COST TO PEOPLE. UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME, YOU'RE ASKING FOR SOME EXAMPLES OF, UH, EXCESSIVE COST BURDEN, UM, THAT YOU, SOUNDS LIKE THE CITY HAS NOT SEEN YET, BUT THERE, THERE'S SOME CONCERN ABOUT THAT. IS THERE A WAY TO FOLLOW UP ON ALL THIS WITHOUT, UM, UM, I DON'T KNOW. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE'RE KIND OF, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, THE COST FOR, UM, FOR HOMEOWNERS OR IS JUST TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS IS JUST ALL BEING KIND OF KICKED OUT OF THIS RECOMMENDATIONS. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO BUILD IT BACK IN OR SOME, SO THAT'S MY CONCERN. NO, THANK YOU FOR HIGHLIGHTING THAT. UM, AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE AWARE OF IN TERMS OF HR APPLICATIONS, A PROPERTY HOMEOWNER, OR IF IT'S RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL, UH, JUST BEING COGNIZANT ON OF HOW THE APPLICATION HAS COME IN, UH, IT'S DEVELOPMENT AND TIME, UH, SPENT ON IT. UM, IN TERMS OF, UH, HOW WE PROVIDE THE REVIEW, YES, IT'S BASED ON A COST RECOVERY ACCOUNT, UM, ALLOCATING STAFF TIME, UM, AND, AND MAKING EFFICIENCY OUT OF THE APPLICATION AND THE MATERIALS AND BRINGING FORWARD THAT TO HCPC. UM, IN, IN TERMS OF THE, THE LAST ITEMS OF RECOMMENDATION, UH, WE WILL BE TRACKING AND, AND KIND OF SEEING WHERE WE'RE IMPROVING AND, AND HAVING THESE RECOMMENDATIONS IMPLEMENTED SLOWLY. ALSO, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD, UH, REFLECT BACK AND, UM, NOT LOSE SIGHT OF. AND I, I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT, UM, AT THE CONCEPT LEVEL, UH, PLANNING DIVISION DOES PROVIDE NO FEE OR COMPLIMENTARY, UM, SUPPORT TO NOT JUST HOMEOWNERS, BUT ANYBODY WHO IS SEEKING TO EITHER, UM, YOU KNOW, MODIFY, REMODEL, UPGRADE, YOU KNOW, UH, POTENTIAL OR A HISTORIC STRUCTURE. SO WE REALLY DO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE TO THEM, UM, PRO BONO AS WELL AS, UH, FOR RESIDENTIAL HOMEOWNERS, WHEN AN HS A COMES BEFORE HCPC OR EVEN AT AN, AT A ADMINISTRATIVE HS A LEVEL, UH, WE DO, UM, LIMIT THE COST TO THE COST RECOVERY DEPOSIT. SO, UM, THAT IS A WAY OF INCENTIVIZING BECAUSE WE RECOGNIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, ANYTIME THAT YOU PUT A REGULATORY PROGRAM IN PLACE WHERE THERE IS A COST OR WHERE THERE'S A PERMIT REQUIRED AND THERE'S A COST TO THAT PERMIT, IT CAN BE A, A DISINCENTIVE TO SOME DEGREE. AND SO, UH, WE TRY TO, THE CITY CITYWIDE, WE SUPPORT THAT AND PLANNING DIVISION THEN ACTS UPON THAT SUPPORT AND DELIVERS THAT SUPPORT IN THOSE TWO WAYS. FIRST BY THE PRO BONO SERVICE, AND THEN BY LIMITING THE, UM, FEES CHARGED TO THE, THE COST RECOVERY DEPOSIT VALUE. I ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT ITEM SIX A BACK TO THE LONG-TERM GOALS RANGE. I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT PEOPLE PAY, BUT WE SURE HEAR THE HORROR STORIES ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU'VE GOT AN EVALUATION, YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH A COUPLE OF HEARINGS, YOU'VE GOTTA GO BACK, YOU'VE GOTTA MAKE REVISIONS THAT IT REALLY PILES UP. AND I THINK, UH, THIS GOAL, THE GOAL OF THIS BODY SHOULD BE MORE TO FACILITATE THAN TO, YOU KNOW, BURDEN, UH, APPLICANTS. SO, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WE CAN DO IN THE LONG TERM WHEN WE GET DOWN TO DEVELOPING A PROGRAM AND DOING OUR, UM, IZO UPDATES, WE'VE GOTTA BE LOOKING FOR WAYS TO, UM, TO STREAMLINE HISTORIC REVIEWS. AGAIN, WE, WE BELIEVE THEY PROVIDE VALUE TO THE WHOLE COMMUNITY. SO I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, WE SHOULD LOOK AT WAYS TO FUND. SO, UH, AND ALSO THE CONCEPT LEVEL REVIEW. I GET IT THAT, [01:05:01] YEAH. UM, THE DIRECTOR AND STAFF DO PROVIDE THAT, BUT SO MANY COMMUNITIES I'VE WORKED IN, EVEN SANTA ROSA, YOU KNOW, THEY PROVIDE A FIRST LEVEL CONCEPT REVIEW WITH NO STAFF REPORT, NO FEE, JUST TO GET SOMETHING IN FRONT OF THE COMMITTEE. AND I ALWAYS FOUND THAT REALLY HELPFUL. UM, YOU KNOW, SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT PART OF OUR PROCESS. IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, AN AN OBJECTIVE, UM, ELECTIVE, YOU KNOW, APPLICATION, BUT AT LEAST SOMEBODY COULD GET AN APPLICATION IN FRONT OF THE COMMITTEE WITHOUT PAYING, UM, ANYWAY. SO I, I AGREE THAT SHOULD BE MOVED INTO THE LONG RANGE LIST AND OFF THE NOT APPROPRIATE LIST. I THINK. UM, OTHERWISE I DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT TO ADD. I THINK, UH, I AM REALLY APPRECIATIVE OF THE WORK THAT YOU PUT IN TO, TO MOVE THIS FORWARD. I THINK IT WAS SORT OF A PIE IN THE SKY WHEN WE DEVELOPED THE AD HOC AND SAID, WELL, LET'S SEE WHAT WE CAN FIGURE OUT TO, YOU KNOW, CLEAN UP THE PROCESS. AND, UM, AND I THINK, UM, THE RESPONSE HAS BEEN GREAT. UM, I SEE ACTIONS IN FRONT OF US, WHICH I'M EXCITED ABOUT. UM, WE, THE SECOND PART OF THIS ITEM IS OF COURSE, TO DISSOLVE THE AD HOC COMMITTEE, UM, WHICH I THINK SEEMS APPROPRIATE. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO THAT? I THINK WE HAVE TO TAKE A ROLL CALL TO, UM, TO DISSOLVE THE COMMITTEE. AND HOW ABOUT A MOTION THEN? OR I JUST HAVE A QUESTION. YEAH. IT SAYS UNTIL IT'S APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL, OR IS THAT, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER WHAT THE LANGUAGE IS THIS COMMITTEE GET. I THINK THE AD HOC COMMITTEE WAS, WAS, UH, ESTABLISHED AT THE, AT THE DIRECTION OF HCPC. SO HCPC CAN DISSOLVE IT. WE JUST WANTED TO SHOW THAT IN THE RECORD THAT, THAT THE COMMITTEE SUPPORTS THE DISSOLUTION OF IT. SO MOVED. CAN I SECOND? YEP. MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE ACT TALK. OKAY. SECONDED. UM, ALL IN FA UH, LET'S GO DOWN THE LINE. I GUESS. DO WE NEED A CALL? WELL, WE DON'T HAVE AN ITEM BEFORE US FOR A ROLL CALL VOTE. BUT I THINK WE CAN DO IT JUST LIKE WE DID IN THE PRESENTATION. WE'LL JUST REFLECT IT IN THE MINUTES. BUT I'M WONDERING IF, UM, IF VICE CHAIR VAN AMEREN HAS SOME COMMENTS SHE'D LIKE TO SHARE ABOUT THE DISSOLUTION OF THE AD HOC? YEAH. I JUST WANT TO MAYBE BE CLEAR IF THERE'S ANY CLARIFYING QUE THIS GOES TO PLANNING COMMISSION NEXT AND THEN CITY COUNCIL. WHAT'S THAT? THE, YEAH. THESE RECOMMENDATIONS OR? NO, THEY WOULD, THEY'RE, NO, THEY WOULDN'T. NEVERMIND. IT SEEMS LIKE THE STAFF IS MAKING THESE RECOMMENDATIONS AND READY TO MOVE FORWARD AS SOON AS THEY GET THE MONEY. RIGHT? RIGHT. SO WE'VE DONE SEVERAL THINGS. WE'VE, WE'VE IDENTIFIED THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE GOING FORWARD TO THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE TEAM FOR, UH, CONSIDERATION OF INCLUSION IN THE, THE, THE, UM, DRAFT FRAMEWORK. THEN WE'VE ALSO GOT RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'LL GO FORWARD TO THE ZONING CODE UPDATE, UH, TEAM WHEN THAT'S ESTABLISHED, UM, TO, TO, UH, BE CONSIDERED FOR THE ZONING CODE UPDATE. THEN WE'VE GOT THE SPECIFIC ACTIONS, THOSE, THOSE THREE SPECIAL PROJECTS OR PROGRAMS THAT WE'VE REQUESTED FUNDING FOR. SO I THINK IN ALL CASES, THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'LL ALL, ALL OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WILL BE ACTED ON DIFFERENTLY, UM, AND MOVE AT DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT RATES. AND THEN OF, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, CLG AS A SPECIAL PROJECT WOULD MOVE FORWARD IMMEDIATELY IF, IF FUNDING IS RECEIVED AND WE COULD ACKNOWLEDGE THAT SOMETHING'S ALREADY HAPPENING. I, UH, WAS FORWARDED A FACEBOOK PAGE TODAY, WHICH WAS REALLY GREAT. IT FEATURED HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROCESS IN PETALUMA ON FACEBOOK. THAT'S GREAT. I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE WHERE THEY CAME FROM, BUT IT'S, IT'S IN HERE, YOU KNOW, AS IT'S GREAT TO SEE ACTION LIKE THAT. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, OKAY. SO TO DISSOLVE THE COMMITTEE THEN, UM, JUST, WE'LL JUST GO THROUGH AND ASK FOR EACH OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO, UH, TO, YOU KNOW, GIVE A VOCALIZE THEIR SUPPORT FOR THE DISSOLUTION. WE'LL REFLECT IT IN THE, IN THE MINUTES, AND THAT WAY IT WILL BE THEN, UH, MEMORIALIZED. I'M IN FAVOR. I'M IN FAVOR. I'M IN FAVOR TOO. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IF THERE WERE ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS THAT WOULD COME UP, BUT, UH, STAFF WILL ADDRESS THOSE, I ASSUME. THANK YOU. AND I'M IN FAVOR. OKAY. THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE SERVING ON THAT COMMITTEE AND I, I, AGAIN, I CAN'T THANK YOU STAFF ENOUGH FOR MOVING IT FORWARD. UM, OKAY. SO I THINK WE CLOSE ITEM THREE WITH THAT AND MOVE INTO OUR COMMITTEE MEMBER [COMMITTEE COMMENT] COMMENT. UM, I'M GONNA KICK THIS OFF JUST BY ACKNOWLEDGING THAT, UH, OUR TERMS ARE UP, SOME OF OUR TERMS ARE UP, AND AT LEAST TWO OF US ARE NOT GONNA BE SEEKING REAPPOINTMENT. SO, UM, I'D LIKE TO THANK, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBERS, PERLIS AND DAN AMEREN FOR THEIR SERVICE. AND, UH, I THINK THAT LAST ITEM IS A PRETTY GOOD INDICATION THAT WE'VE DONE GREAT WORK TOGETHER. SO, THANKS. AND, UM, AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE EVEN HAVE, UH, LETTERS OF RECOGNITION. IS THAT RIGHT, CHAIR, WHILE WE, WHILE WE'RE DISTRIBUTING THOSE, I WOULD ALSO JUST LIKE TO THANK, [01:10:01] UM, ALL OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS WHO, INCLUDING YOU CHAIR, WHO HAVE, WHO HAVE SERVED ON THE COMMITTEE OF WHETHER YOU'RE SEEKING REAPPOINTMENT OR NOT, HAS BEEN, IT'S BEEN A GREAT PLEASURE TO WORK WITH YOU. I, I'M SO DEEPLY IMPRESSED WITH THE INITIATIVE THAT YOU TOOK TO FORM THE AD HOC COMMITTEE TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, FOR, FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO IMPROVE OUR POLICY TO CREATE THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROGRAM, A ROBUST PROGRAM FOR THE CITY THAT RECOGNIZES, I THINK, THE VALUE THAT THE COMMUNITY PLACES IN ITS HISTORIC RESOURCES AND, UM, AS WELL AS THE, THE, UH, THE, THE CULTURALLY, THE CULTURAL EVENTS, SIGNIFICANCE OF PEOPLE AND, AND, UH, AND EVENTS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN PETALUMA. SO IT'S BEEN REALLY A GREAT PLEASURE TO SERVE YOU AND, UH, AND TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT YOU, YOU ALL. THANK YOU, DEAR COMMITTEE MEMBER PERITZ. UM, I, I'D JUST LIKE TO, UH, SAY IN TURN THAT IT'S BEEN A REAL PLEASURE SERVING WITH ALL OF YOU AND OVER THE YEARS, YOUR PREDECESSORS ON THIS COMMITTEE, UH, A A BUNCH OF DEDICATED AND, UH, CREATIVE PEOPLE. AND IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE TO KNOW YOU IN THIS CAPACITY, UH, FOR STAFF, BOTH PLANNING AND OTHER STAFF MEMBERS WITH WHOM WE'VE INTERACTED OVER TIME. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. YOU'VE BEEN WONDERFULLY SUPPORTIVE, AMAZINGLY PROFESSIONAL, AND, UH, TRULY A PLEASURE TO WORK WITH, AND THANK YOU AGAIN. GREAT. UM, THANK YOU. UM, I HAVEN'T BEEN AS LONG ON IT AS, UM, JOHN PERLIS HAS, BUT, UM, I'VE BEEN THREE YEARS AND I'VE BEEN A MUSEUM REPRESENTATIVE, WHICH IS A ONE YEAR TERM. AND SO, UH, HOPEFULLY THE MUSEUM WILL, UM, UM, FORWARD SOMEBODY ELSE AS A RECOMMENDATION. UM, BUT I AM VERY, ALSO VERY GRATEFUL, UH, TO MY COMMITTEE MEMBERS, OBVIOUSLY, UH, BUT ALSO TO CITY STAFF. UM, I, UM, CONSISTENTLY, UM, TELL PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY HOW PROFESSIONAL THE PLANNING STAFF IS, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE WORKING, UH, WITH THEM AND I CONTINUE TO SUPPORT, UH, THE PROCESS. THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMITTEE MEMBER REPORTS? YES, NORMAN. YEAH. I JUST WANTED TO REPORT ON, ON HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH, WHICH WAS IN, UH, THE MONTH OF MAY. UH, SO THIS IS A COLLABORATION BETWEEN, UM, H-C-C-P-C AND THE CITY OF PETALUMA, AS WELL AS THE MUSEUM. AND WE COLLABORATE WITH THE LOCAL LIBRARY AND THE STATE PARKS. AND SO WE HAD A SERIES OF EVENTS. UM, UH, WE HAVE A SMALL COMMITTEE AND THAT COMMITTEE IS MADE UP OF HISTORIAN CATHERINE EINAR AND CONNIE WILLIAMS AND, UH, CASEY GRAINY FROM THE MUSEUM AND MYSELF. AND SO THE FOUR OF US, UH, HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS, ON THIS SCHEDULE. SO, UH, TWO WORKSHOPS THAT WERE PUT ON, UH, COORDINATED BY CATHERINE REINHARD WERE QUITE SUCCESSFUL. ONE WAS, UH, STRATEGIES FOR PRESERVATION. SHE BROUGHT IN AN OUTSIDE SPEAKER. WE HAD ATTENDANCE ABOUT OVER 60 PEOPLE AT THE MUSEUM. UM, THE, HER OTHER EVENT THAT SHE COORDINATED WAS PRESERVATION AND TOURISM, WHICH WAS AT THE, THE OLD SILK MILL HAMPTON INN. AND, UM, WE HAD ABOUT, UH, 50 PEOPLE ATTENDING, TALKING ABOUT HOW TO, YOU KNOW, UH, COLLABORATE WITH, UH, TOURISM RELATED TO PRESERVATION. AND THEN WE HAD, UH, OF COURSE, OUR HISTOR HISTORICAL WALKING TOURS EVERY WEEKEND. UH, WE DID DO A PROCLAMATION AT, AT CITY COUNCILS, UH, WHICH WAS RECEIVED BY MYSELF AS WELL AS STACY, WHO'S THE DIRECTOR OF THE MUSEUM. UM, THERE ARE TWO EVENTS THAT WERE CANCELED, WHICH WAS LIVING HISTORY DAY, UM, DUE TO, UH, AN ILLNESS ACTUALLY. AND THEN, UH, THE SECRET LIVES OF VICTORIAN HOMES, UH, WERE ALSO CANCELED. SO, UM, HERITAGE HOMES IS TRYING TO KIND OF REBRAND THEMSELVES AND, UM, AND HOPEFULLY THAT WILL BE, UH, AVAILABLE FOR, UH, FOR NEXT YEAR. UH, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, WE ALSO HAD A HISTORY SCAVENGER HUNT, WHICH WAS COORDINATED BY CATHERINE HARD AND CONNIE WILLIAMS. AND WE HAD ABOUT 50 ENTRIES THAT PEOPLE THAT PARTICIPATED IN THAT. SO, UM, WE DISTRIBUTED A LOT OF INFORMATION RELATED TO PRESERVATION. THE MUSEUM HAS KIND OF TAKEN OVER THIS, UH, PROJECT A LITTLE BIT. UM, AND SO THEY DID MOST OF THE MARKETING. UM, AND I DO WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE THE CITY FOR, UM, DOING SOME OF THE MARKETING. SOME OF THE ADS THAT YOU SAW WERE ON FACEBOOK. THEY WERE ALSO ON NEXTDOOR, THEY WERE ON INSTAGRAM AND REALLY TALKING ABOUT WHAT PRESERVATION IS. AND I THINK, UH, THOSE WERE SOME, YOU KNOW, THOSE REACH A WIDE AUDIENCE. SO I THINK THERE WERE, WE WERE PUT THAT TOGETHER. AND HCPC HAS BEEN KIND OF IN THE BACKGROUND. UH, TOM PLAYED AN IMPORTANT ROLE, UH, VIDEOTAPING ONE OF THE EVENTS. UM, AGAIN, I PARTICIPATED IN THE PROCLAMATION, SO MOVING FORWARD, UH, HOPEFULLY HCPC CAN CONTINUE TO PARTICIPATE. UM, BUT IT WAS OVERALL, UH, AND, YOU KNOW, A VERY SUCCESSFUL EVENT. AND, UH, HOPEFULLY NEXT YEAR, UH, WE'LL BE ABLE [01:15:01] TO CONTINUE TO PROCESS. THANKS. ANY OTHER COMMITTEE COMMENTS? I WANT TO THANK YOU, ALICE AND CATHERINE, AND CASEY AND CONNIE FOR ALL THE WORK YOU DID IN HISTORIC PRES NATIONAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH. I THINK THAT WAS FAIRLY SUCCESSFUL. I ENJOYED IT. UM, OKAY, NEXT, UH, WE'LL MOVE INTO PLANNING MANAGER [STAFF COMMENT] COMMENT. I'D LIKE TO INVITE MANAGER UNDER TRIPLE. GREAT THANK YOU CHAIR. UM, JUST TWO BRIEF COMMENTS. FIRST, UH, REGARDING THE, THE DRAFT, UH, HISTORIC AND CULTURAL PRESERVATION FRAMEWORK FOR THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE, THEY ARE RECEIVING COMMENTS THROUGH FRIDAY. SO IF YOU HAVE MORE COMMENTS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT, UM, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO DO SO. YOU, YOU CAN, UH, SUBMIT THEM ONLINE, UM, OR YOU CAN SEND THEM TO US AND, AND WE'LL GET THEM OVER TO THE, THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE TEAM. UM, SECOND OF COURSE, THE, UH, OPPORTUNITY FOR, UH, NEW MEMBER RECRUITMENT, UM, APPLICATIONS OR REAPPLICATIONS, UM, AS THE CASE MAY BE CLOSES ON THURSDAY. SO IF YOU ARE INTENDING TO, UM, SEEK APPOINTMENT IF, WELL, IF YOU KNOW SOMEONE WHO'S, WHO'S INTENDING TO SEEK APPOINTMENT, ENCOURAGE THEM TO APPLY IF THEY HAVEN'T ALREADY DONE SO. IF YOU HAVE A CHANGE OF, CHANGE OF HEART AND DECIDE THAT YOU WANT TO SEEK REAPPOINTMENT, THEN UM, PLEASE, UH, COMPLETE YOUR APPLICATION AND, AND GET IT IN BY THURSDAY. UM, SO THEN OF COURSE, IN TERMS OF THE CITY COUNCIL MAKING THOSE APPOINTMENTS, THEY'LL DO IT DURING THE JUNE MEETING. THOSE APPOINTMENTS WILL BECOME EFFECTIVE JULY 1ST, AND THEN WE WOULD FORMALLY APPOINT OR REAPPOINT MEMBERS TO HCPC AT THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING, WHENEVER THAT MIGHT BE. UH, WE DO HAVE, WE ARE LOOKING AT A TENTATIVE MEETING ITEM AGENDA FOR THE JULY MEETING. UM, AND THAT WILL BE CONFIRMED BY THE WEEK'S END. SO WE'LL LET YOU KNOW IF, IF THERE WILL BE A JULY MEETING OR NOT. UH, DEFINITELY BY THE WEEK'S END. OKAY, AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TODAY, CHAIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. UM, THAT LEADS US TO ADJOURNMENT. SO IT'S SOMEWHERE AROUND, UH, FIVE 17, UH, MEETING'S ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.