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WE'LL START OUR ROLL CALL.ALL RIGHT, SO NEXT UP IS GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS?
AND DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, PRESENTATIONS TO BE SHARED? THERE ARE NO PRESENTATIONS FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING.
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APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM OUR MAY 2ND MEETING.DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY CORRECTIONS OR EDITS TO THOSE MINUTES? UH, I JUST HAVE ONE THING I WANNA MENTION BECAUSE I, I CAN'T REMEMBER.
I THINK YOU HAD THE FEE SCHEDULE ATTACHED.
THE FEE SCHEDULE STILL SAYS PER SQUARE FOOT.
UH, WE'LL, IF YOU COULD INTERNALLY, WE'LL PROBABLY CHANGE THAT.
UM, I'LL, I'LL TALK TO THE CLERK TO SEE IF, OR FINANCE TO SEE IF WE CAN, UM, REMOVE THAT AND UPDATE THAT ON THE WEBSITE AS WELL.
ONE SAYS, YOU KNOW, THE ENTIRE AMOUNT AND THE OTHER ONE STILL THE ONE ON THE LEFT.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THE MINUTES? ALL RIGHT, THEN WITH THAT MODIFICATION, MINUTES ARE APPROVED, AND I THINK NOW WE ARE AT, UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING PUBLIC HEARINGS.
DAN? DAN, THERE'S NO PUBLIC HEARINGS.
UH, NO, NO ITEMS ON THIS AGENDA.
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COMMENT.UH, COUNCIL LIAISON NOW IS NOT HERE, SO WE WILL HOLD THAT.
IF SHE DOES ARRIVE LATE, WE CAN COME BACK TO THAT IF EVERYONE'S AMENABLE.
UM, DO WE HAVE ANY AD HOC SUBCOMMITTEE UPDATES? YEAH, JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS.
UM, THANKS TO DAN AND CLAUDIA AND NANCY.
WE, UM, WE GOT THE TENANT SURVEY IN THE, UH, QUARTERLY NEWSLETTER FROM THE AIRPORT.
AND, UH, WE'LL BE LOOKING TO SEE WHAT SORT OF RESPONSES WE GET AND WHAT THE RESPONSE RATE IS.
UM, AND ONCE WE GET THAT, NANCY AND I ARE GONNA GET TOGETHER AND, UH, REVIEW THE COMPETITIVE DATA WE HAVE FROM, UH, RATES AND CHARGES FOR AIRPORTS IN THE GENERAL AREA.
AND, UM, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT HOW WE'RE DOING, UM, COMPETITIVELY ON OUR RATES AND CHARGES AND HELP ANALYZE, UM, BUDGET, UH, INPUT GOING FORWARD.
AND I'LL NEVER FORGET A COMMENT MADE BY, UM, THE AIRPORT DESIGN ENGINEER BACK IN THE DAY, MIKE SHUTT, WHO, UH, ONCE TOLD ME WHEN I WAS DOING SOME OF THIS SORT OF ANALYSIS, WELL, WHEN YOU'VE SEEN ONE AIRPORT, YOU'VE SEEN ONE AIRPORT.
SO, UM, EVERYTHING IS DIFFERENT AT DIFFERENT AIRPORTS, UH, THE USE THE COMMUNITY, ET CETERA.
SO WE NEED TO TAKE ALL THAT INTO ACCOUNT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, UM, WE HAVE TO TRY TO STAY COMPETITIVE BECAUSE THIS IS A, UM, AN OPERATION THAT NEEDS TO, UM, BE FINANCIALLY SELF-SUPPORTING.
AND THAT'S WHAT WAS COMMITTED TO BACK YEARS AGO, UM, WHEN THE, UM, THE CURRENT AIRPORT WAS BEING REVIEWED AND PUT BEFORE CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.
AND THE GROUP THAT DID THAT SAID, WE CAN ENSURE WE WILL BE FINANCIALLY, SELF-SUPPORTING AND WON'T REQUIRE ANY MONEY FROM THE GENERAL FUND, FROM THE CITY, AND UNANIMOUS SUPPORT.
SO WE WANT TO KEEP THAT GOING.
BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S ALL PART OF THE ANALYSIS WE'LL HAVE TO DO GOING FORWARD.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR DAN ON THE SURVEY.
DID WE GIVE A TIMEFRAME ON THAT WHEN YOU SENT IT OUT? UH, I BELIEVE WE WERE ASKING FOR RESPONSES, UH, OR RESPONSES BY JULY 1ST.
I THINK THAT WAS ON, UM, I DUNNO IF WE ACTUALLY PUBLISHED THAT THOUGH.
IT'S IN, I THINK IT'S IN THE SURVEY.
OTHERWISE WE CAN, WE CAN KEEP IT OPEN LONGER.
THERE'S NO NECESSARILY NEED TO CUT IT OFF.
UM, I, I DON'T SEE A REASON TO DO THAT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE LET MAYBE THE WEEK BEFORE WE DO A TEA, YOU KNOW, SEND OUT AN EMAIL REMINDER OR SOMETHING.
UH, WE DON'T HAVE A JULY COMMISSION MEETING.
UH, IT WOULD, IT FELL ON THE 4TH OF JULY, SO WE, WE HAD TO CANCEL THAT.
UM, WE'VE TRIED TO MOVE IT IN THE PAST TO ANOTHER, UH, WEEK.
IT'S JUST SO HARD TO END THIS ROOM TO MOVE IT.
UM, SO I THINK WE'RE JUST GONNA CANCEL JULY.
BUT, UM, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET MAYBE CLOSE RESPONSES SOMETIME MAYBE THE END OF JULY AND THEN PRESENT THAT FOR AUGUST, THE AUGUST, UM, COMMISSION
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MEETING.IS THAT, IS THAT TOO MUCH TIME OR MAYBE NO, I JUST, YOU MIGHT NEED A COUPLE WEEKS TO REVIEW THE, YOU KNOW, SO MAYBE YOU HAVE IT CLOSED BY MID-JULY FOR THE AUGUST MEETING.
GIVE YOURSELF OR GIVE US, YOU KNOW, TWO OR THREE WEEKS TO DO THE ANALYSIS.
WE COULD AT LEAST GIVE A REPORT ON HOW MANY RESPONSES WE GOT AND YEAH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AUGUST, THAT WOULD BE FINE.
ANY OTHER, UH, AD HOC SUBCOMMITTEE UPDATES? UH, SO I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO MEET WITH MARCUS THIS LAST MONTH FOR ANY UPDATES, BUT, UH, I DO HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR DAN THAT I CAN ADDRESS DURING THE, UH, MANAGER'S REPORT.
WE READY TO MOVE ON FROM AD HOC? UH, DO WE HAVE ANY GENERAL COMMISSIONER COMMENT? YEAH, I, I HAVE ONE THING.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC IS AWARE.
UM, UH, PETALUMA AREA PILOTS ASSOCIATION, LOCALLY KNOWN AS PAPA.
UH, AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW, WE DO A MONTHLY DISPLAY DAY ON THE THIRD SATURDAY OF THE MONTH FROM MARCH THROUGH OCTOBER.
AND THIS ONE COMING UP ON JUNE 15TH IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIGGER, UM, AND MORE, UH, ADVENTUROUS, SO TO SPEAK, UH, THAN IN THE PAST.
WE WERE GOING TO HAVE THE NORMAL CONTINGENT OF DISPLAY AIRCRAFT.
WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE 30 PLUS CORVETTES OF VARIOUS VINTAGES FROM EARLY TO CURRENT.
UM, WE WILL HAVE A, UH, VETERAN SUPPORT GROUP, WHICH WILL BE PROVIDING A FREE PANCAKE BREAKFAST TO THE PUBLIC BEGINNING AT 10:00 AM WHEN OUR GATES ARE OPEN.
UH, WE'LL ALSO HAVE A TACO TRUCK AND PERHAPS ANOTHER TYPE OF FOOD TRUCK THERE.
UM, HENRY ONE, THE, UM, SONOMA COUNTY SHERIFF, UM, HELICOPTER WILL BE THERE.
WE'LL HAVE REPRESENTATIVES AND VEHICLES FROM THE PETALUMA FIRE AND POLICE DEPARTMENTS.
UH, WE MAY HAVE A CAL FIRE HELICOPTER, NOT ABSOLUTELY SURE ABOUT THAT, THAT'S A BEAST.
UM, BUT, UH, MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE THAT.
BUT, UH, IT PORTENDS TO BE, UH, QUITE A DISPLAY EVENT.
AND WE'LL ALSO HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE EXPEND EXPERIMENTAL AIR, UM, AIRCRAFT ASSOCIATION FROM VARIOUS LOCATIONS IN THE COUNTY.
AND, UM, THEY WILL BE THERE WITH THEIR AIRCRAFT ON DISPLAY.
AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT, UM, THEY WILL BE PROVIDING RIDES FOR PEOPLE 18 YEARS AND OVER.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A CHARGE OR A FEE.
UH, BUT ANYBODY LIKE TO GO UP IN A LIGHT AIRCRAFT AND SEE WHAT PETALUMA LOOKS LIKE FROM 2,500 3000 FEET.
SO JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, EVERYONE'S AWARE OF THAT SHOULD BE NOTICES OUT IN THE PRESS DEMOCRAT AND THE ARGUS COURIER, AS WELL AS THE LOCAL RADIO STATIONS AND ALSO THE PUBLIC ACCESS CHANNEL, UH, HERE IN PETALUMA.
AND I WILL ADD TO THAT, THAT CARL'S JUMP ARROW IS GONNA HAVE SOME STATIC DISPLAY HARDWARE AS WELL.
UH, I, I HAVE ONE, UH, COMMENT.
UM, I BELIEVE THIS IS TIMING KIND OF ALL RUNS TOGETHER, BUT I BELIEVE THIS IS THE RIGHT, UH, THE NEXT MEETING AFTER THAT CONVERSATION, UM, I DID HAVE A NICE, UH, CONVERSATION WITH THE TEAM THAT'S PUTTING TOGETHER THE, UM, THE GENERAL PLAN THAT WE, WE HAD A PRESENTATION ON LAST TIME ABOUT, UH, ELECTRIFICATION AND ADVANCED AIR MOBILITY OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE AIRPORT.
UM, THEY ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
THEY ACTUALLY, THAT SAME GROUP OF FOLKS ACTUALLY DID A PROJECT FOR ONE OF THE MAIN AM PLAYERS AT A DIFFERENT AIRPORT SPECIFICALLY FOR FACILITATING THOSE KINDS OF OPERATIONS.
SO THEY WERE, UH, ALREADY READ IN AND VERY APPRECIATIVE OF OUR AWARENESS OF THE POSSIBILITY.
UM, AND, UH, WE LEFT IT AS THAT THEY WERE NOT GOING TO BE, UH, REALLY TAKING ANY IMMEDIATE ACTIONS, UH, TO FACILITATE THAT, UM, THAT TYPE OF OPERATION BEYOND WHAT WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT FOR ELECTRIC ELECTRIFICATION.
UM, BUT THEY WOULD BE VERY CONSCIOUS OF NOT DOING ANYTHING THAT WOULD PRECLUDE US MAKING THAT MORE AVAILABLE IN THE FUTURE.
SO AS WE GET CLOSER TO, UH, ACTUAL AIRCRAFT CERTIFICATION AND OPERATIONS FOR AIR TAXIS AND OTHER THINGS, THAT WE WOULD BE IN A POSITION TO BE ABLE TO BE AGILE AND, AND BRING THAT IN IF WE WANTED TO.
SO WE'RE NOT OUT SEARCHING FOR IT AND SEEKING IT AND INVESTING IN IT TODAY, BUT WE WILL BE SET UP SO THAT WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT, WE CAN MOVE QUICKLY ON THAT.
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT, SO WE'RE ON TO MANAGER
[STAFF COMMENT]
REPORT.SO JUST, UH, CHECKING IN ON BUDGET, UH, AS OF THE END OF APRIL, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, IF YOU REMOVE ALL THE CIP GRANT, UM, A COUPLE PROJECTS,
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UH, OUT OF THE BUDGET.UM, WE ARE OUT OF JUST UNDER, UH, 1.8 MILLION, UH, FOR REVENUE.
AND, UM, FOR, FOR EXPENDITURES, UH, WE ARE ABOUT 1.93.
SO, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE TRACKING PRETTY WELL TO THE END OF THE YEAR HERE.
WE'LL PROBABLY SEE A COUPLE, COUPLE CHANGES ALONG HERE.
SOME OF THE CHANGES BETWEEN THE LAST BUDGET AND THIS, OR THE LAST STATEMENT IN THIS ONE, UM, HAVE TO DO WITH SOME OF THE CIP WORK OR, UH, I BELIEVE ONE OF THE ITEMS WAS THE HANGAR, UM, UH, REPAIR.
SOME OF THE DESIGN WORK, I THINK DID GET ADDED TO, TO THAT, UM, UH, EXPENDITURE SHEET.
SO THAT, THAT IS WHERE SOME OF THE EXPENSES ARE.
UM, SOME OF IT'S JUST, UH, ANNUAL, UM, EXPENDITURES THAT COME UP BASED ON, UM, UH, CERTAIN INTER INNER GOVERNMENTAL CHARGES AND OTHER THINGS.
SO THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THOSE CHARGES ARE.
BUT I THINK BY THE END OF THE FISCAL END OF JUNE, WHICH WE'RE, WE'RE STILL A COUPLE, COUPLE MONTHS OUT FROM, FROM, UH, THIS REPORT ON, WE'LL PROBABLY SEE THOSE, THOSE, UH, TIGHTEN UP TO PRETTY CLOSE TO AN EVEN BUDGET FOR THE YEAR.
UM, THE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE CIP, UH, REVENUE, THAT EXTRA, THE DIFFERENCE OF, YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY ABOUT 700, UM, THOUSAND DOLLARS OF ABOUT HALF OF THAT IS, UH, THE PAYMENT THAT WE FINALLY RECEIVED.
THE LAST PAYMENT FOR THE RAMP RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT, UM, THAT NOW SHOWS ON THE BUDGET.
UM, IT SHOWS IN OUR REVENUE AND EXPENDITURES.
SO IT CAME IN AND THEN IT WENT OUT TO PAY BACK, UM, OUR, OUR FUND THAT, THAT WE PULLED FROM OUR, UM, OPERATING AIRPORT.
UH, SO WE BASICALLY PAID THAT FUND BACK, UH, WITH THE, UM, 90% MATCHING THROUGH THE, THE, THE, UH, FEDERAL A IP PROGRAM.
THE OTHER HALF IS, UH, BUDGETED FOR THE DESIGN WORK FOR TAXIWAY ALPHA AND TAXI LANE BRAVO THAT'S IN THE BUDGET.
NOT SURE IF SOME OF THAT'S GONNA ACTUALLY BE, UM, BILLED IN TIME FOR, FOR FISCAL YEAR, UH, 24 THAT MIGHT ROLL INTO FISCAL YEAR 25.
BUT THIS WAS JUST OUR BEST GUESS OF WHAT WE WOULD SEE AS FAR AS TOTAL EXPENDITURES, INCLUDING CIP AND GRANTS.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT BUDGET? I JUST HAD, UH, ONE QUESTION ON THE, UH, SO FOR THE NEW, ACTUALLY NOT ON THE, NOT ON THE BUDGET, IT'D BE ON THE NEXT PAGE.
WE, UM, YEAH, I'VE GOT THE MASTER FEE SCHEDULE RIGHT IN HERE.
SO ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, UH, MASTER FEE SCHEDULE BEFORE I
SO OBVIOUSLY THE, SOME OF THE, UH, THE TIE, THE SINGLE ENGINE TIE DOWNS ARE GOING SINGLE IN TWIN TIE DOWNS, THE TURBINE, IS THAT A NEW CATEGORY THAT'S CREATED? AND I ASSUME THAT THE, THE TENANT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, IS FEDEX THE ONLY CURRENT TENANT? YES.
UH, SO WHAT HAPPENED WAS WE, UH, SPLIT THE TWIN ENGINE JET CATEGORY.
SO FOR THE LONGEST TIME WE'VE JUST HAD TWO CATEGORIES OF TIE DOWN, $7 FOR A SINGLE ENGINE.
IT DOESN'T EVEN SAY WHAT KIND OF ENGINE.
SO, UM, TECHNICALLY A PILATUS WOULD BE SINGLE ENGINE.
WE'VE, WE'VE INTERPRETED THAT AS, UH, A, UM, A PISTON ENGINE.
BUT, UM, IT JUST, SOME OF THE, HOW IT WAS LISTED AND THE WAY THAT EVERYTHING WAS KIND OF CRAMMED INTO JUST TWO CATEGORIES DIDN'T SEEM TO SERVE.
UM, IT'S MORE CONFUSION AND IT ALSO DIDN'T REALLY REFLECT THE MARKET RATES ACROSS, UM, THE NORTH BAY AND EVEN JUST THE STATE, UH, FOR WHAT, WHAT, UM, A LOT OF AIRPORTS CHARGE FOR OVERNIGHT.
WE BASICALLY SPLIT THE TWIN ENGINE JET, WHICH WAS THE CATEGORY.
UM, SO WHEN IT SAYS CURRENT OVERNIGHT TIE DOWN FEE, THAT WAS, THAT'S PRE, UH, JULY 1ST AFTER JULY 1ST IS THE NEW ONE WHERE WE SPLIT THOSE TWO APART.
UM, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, NO, I GOT THAT.
UH, AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE, UH, OBVIOUSLY WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, COMPANIES LIKE FEDEX, I, I UNDERSTAND THE ADVANTAGE OF HAVING, YOU KNOW, EXTRA PART 1 35 OPERATIONS TO THE AIRPORT.
UH, WITH THAT SAID, LIKE MUCH LIKE THE HANGERS, SO WE HAVE A COMMERCIAL RATE FOR A HANGAR, NON-COMMERCIAL RATE.
UH, WAS THERE EVER ANY INTENTION TO COME UP WITH A COMMERCIAL RATE, UH, NON-COMMERCIAL RATE FOR TIE DOWNS FOR COMMERCIAL, POTENTIALLY FOR COMMERCIAL TENANTS? YEAH, WE NEVER REALLY LOOKED AT THAT.
THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.
WE NEVER LOOKED AT OUR COMMERCIAL RATE.
UH, FOR TIE DOWN, I, MAYBE JUST BECAUSE THAT IS NOT, UM, THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'D BE A LOT OF INTEREST IN THAT.
I MEAN, WE COULD, YOU COULD SAY THAT
NO, I THINK THE ONLY ONE THAT WOULD REALLY BE AFFECTED RIGHT NOW WOULD BE FEDEX.
AND I GUESS THE QUESTION IS HAVE, HAVE WE LOOKED AT WHAT, UH, FED WHAT AIR OTHER AIRPORTS ARE CHARGING OPERATIONS SIMILAR
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TO FEDEX THAT ARE ACTUALLY USING THE RAMP SPACE FOR COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY JUST TO SEE IF WE'RE, 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST RENTING THEM SEVERAL TIE DOWN SPOTS.THAT'S ALL THEY'RE CURRENTLY PAYING FOR.
RIGHT? I GUESS THE DIFFERENTIATION WOULD BE, UM, IF YOU HAD A SKYDIVE COMPANY THAT BASICALLY WAS WORKING OFF OF THE RAMP, WE WOULD INSTANTLY CONSIDER THAT A COMMERCIAL OPERATION.
'CAUSE THEY WERE, THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE CLIENTELE THAT ARE MEETING THEM AT THE AIRPORT, THEY'RE FLYING OUT FROM THERE.
THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S HOW WE WOULD TYPICALLY TREAT.
IF IT'S A, IF IT'S A COMPANY THAT'S OPERATING OUTTA THE AIRPORT THAT IS NOT DIRECTLY SELLING GOODS OR SERVICES TO THE PUBLIC, UM, DIRECTLY FROM THE AIRPORT, TYPICALLY WE WOULDN'T CONSIDER THAT A, A COMMERCIAL LEASE OR, OR LICENSE.
UM, IT'S MORE THE, THE RETAIL SPACE THAT, WHERE WOULD WE DO THE COMMERCIAL? SO FOR INSTANCE, LIKE THE ROW 18, IF A COMPANY OWNS AN AIRCRAFT, THEY USE IT FOR THEM PURPOSES.
UM, OR IN THE COURSE OF THEIR BUSINESS.
IF THEY START SELLING SERVICES OUT OF THAT HANGAR, THEN, THEN IT MOVES TO KIND OF A COMMERCIAL OPERATION, WHICH I GUESS PUTS FEDEX IN KIND OF A GRAY AREA.
'CAUSE THEY ARE, THEY ARE, THEY'RE NOT JUST USING THE AIRCRAFT.
THEY DO HAVE ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT, PEOPLE COMING IN, COMING AND GOING, UM, TRUCKS WHERE ON THE RAMP, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I, I GUESS THAT WE COULD, YOU KNOW, COME UP, TALK ABOUT THAT LATER ON.
I GUESS THE QUESTION I HAVE RIGHT NOW IS, HAVE WE LOOKED AT, UH, I THINK FEDEX HAS, YOU KNOW, THE OPERATIONS LIKE AT UKIAH AND OTHER AIRPORTS.
DO WE KNOW WHAT THOSE AIRPORTS ARE CHARGING, UM, FOR THOSE OPERATIONS? JUST TO KIND OF GET AN IDEA OF WHERE WE STAND VERSUS, YEAH.
UM, JUST, UH, THEIR RAMP FEES ARE GOING TO ALMOST DOUBLE.
UM, AS OF JULY 1ST, THEY'RE GOING ABOUT 40%.
SO EVEN THOUGH WE AREN'T NECESSARILY A 50% MORE THE COMMERCIAL RATE BECAUSE THE TURBINE IS CHANGING FOR A MONTHLY CUSTOMER, UM, IT'S GOING FROM, UH, 80, UH, IN THIS CASE, I THINK I, YOU KNOW, I'D HAVE TO BE, I'D HAVE TO LOOK, BUT I THINK WE'RE CHARGING 80 TIMES FIVE.
I THINK THAT'S THE CURRENT, I THINK WE'RE CHARGING ABOUT $400 A MONTH.
UM, THAT'S GONNA, UM, THAT'S GONNA GO WAY UP WHEN IT JUMPS TO 1 35.
SO, UM, IT'S NOT A COMPLETELY DOUBLING, BUT IT, IT IS SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU WOULD MAYBE PAY IF YOU WERE A SINGLE ENGINE AND THEN YOU WERE JUMPING TO.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, NO, I GOT IT.
SO I, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANNA SCARE ANYBODY AWAY, BUT WE ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CAPTURING, AND, AND THIS WASN'T THE, THE FEES HERE WERE NOT DESIGNED AROUND OUR CURRENT TENANTS PER SE.
THEY WERE DESIGNED MOSTLY AROUND, UM, MARKET RATE, OTHER AIRPORTS.
UM, SOME OF AIRPORTS THROW THOSE NUMBERS OFF LIKE TRUCKEE.
UM, BUT THEN YOU HAVE OTHERS, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE NAPA AND UM, AND EA LOT OF EAST BAY AIRPORTS WHERE LIKE LIVERMORE, WHERE YOU, YOU'RE CLO WE'RE CLOSER WITH THESE RATE INCREASES AND DECREASES TO, TO WHERE OTHER AIRPORTS ARE CHARGING.
UM, FOR INSTANCE, WE WERE ONE OF THE HIGHEST TIE DOWN RATES FOR SINGLE ENGINE, AND THAT'S WHY THE RATE WENT DOWN FROM 72 TO $60 A MONTH.
UM, SO THAT, THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE DESIGNED ALL THIS.
AND WE CAN LOOK AT SOME POINT, UH, AT WHAT OTHER AIRPORTS ARE CHARGING CUSTOMERS LIKE FEDEX FOR JUST USING THE RAMP SPACE, BUT MAYBE THE DIFFERENTIATION IS A BUSINESS USING THE AIRPORT TO DO THEIR BUSINESS, WHEREAS USING THE AIRPORT TO SELL SERVICES TO THE PUBLIC, IT'S DEFINITELY A, A DIFFERENT KIND OF OPERATION.
I'VE GOT A COUPLE, UM, DAN, UM, I NOTICED THAT THE, UM, EXPENDITURE FOR SALARIES IS A BIT ABOVE OUR BUDGET FOR THE YEAR AND WE'VE GOT TWO MONTHS TO GO YET.
UH, I'M JUST WONDERING, HAVE YOU GOT MORE PART-TIME PEOPLE ON THAT WE DIDN'T ACCOUNT FOR EARLY IN THE BUDGETING PROCESS OR, OR WHAT THAT'S ABOUT? I THINK A LOT OF THAT, UM, IS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE BUDGET FOR, UM, PART-TIME LABOR BASED ON THEIR NUMBER OF, UH, HOURS.
THEY ARE SET TO WORK FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR.
WE DON'T REALLY FIGURE IN ANY TIME OFF SICK TIME, VACATION TIME, UH, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IN ADDITION, WE'VE HAD, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, UH, WE LOST AN, AN EMPLOYEE FOR, FOR ABOUT THREE MONTHS.
SO THAT, THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT PART OF THAT TOO.
SO WITH THE LOSS OF THE PART-TIME LABOR, WE SUBSTITUTE WITH OUR FULL-TIME LABOR WHERE WE CAN, WE USE, UM, JUST NORMAL RATES.
SO IF A, SAY AN EMPLOYEE TAKES TIME OFF, THEY COME IN AND WORK AN EXTRA SHIFT, WE, WE DON'T GIVE THEM OVERTIME, WE GIVE 'EM STRAIGHT TIME.
SO THAT'S THE WAY THAT THEY CAN STILL GET EXTRA MONEY, BUT AT A, AT THE STANDARD RATE.
SO THAT'S WHY SOME OF THE, THE SALARY FULL-TIME STANDARD RATE IS HIGHER.
THOSE ARE HOURS THAT HAVE BEEN, UM, WORKED AT THE, AT STRAIGHT TIME PROBABLY TRYING TO COVER THE PART-TIME LABOR THAT IS EITHER
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A VACATION OR WE'RE TRYING TO FILL A POSITION THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T HAD FOR SEVERAL MONTHS.AND THEN OVERTIME, UM, IS IS THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, OTHER, UH, TOOL THAT WE USE TO, TO FILL IN.
AND ALSO NOTICE THAT, UH, ON THE FUEL SALES, UM, JET SALES SEEM TO BE DOWN A BIT.
UM, HAVE YOU, CAN YOU ATTRIBUTE THAT TO ANYTHING? IS IT JUST THE EBB AND FLOW OF THE ECONOMY OR, OR YEAH, THE TOLD YOU ANYTHING JET A, JET A, UM, SALES HAVE BEEN REALLY HARD TO, TO FIND PATTERNS.
UM, AND WHAT WE FIND IS THAT, UM, THEY TEND TO BE BASED ON, UH, EITHER PROJECTS THAT CERTAIN, UH, UH, COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS ARE WORKING ON.
UH, FOR INSTANCE, THE, UM, THE HELICOPTER INSPECTIONS, THE PG E UM, POWER LINES, UM, THAT TENDS TO BE SEASONAL AND INTENSE DURING CERTAIN MONTHS.
UM, AND THEN, UM, CERTAIN, UM, CHARTER OPERATIONS SEEM TO BE BUSIER DURING CERTAIN PARTS OF THE YEAR AND THEN LESS BUSY THAN OTHERS.
AND THEN SOME OF OUR OWN TENANTS HAVE THEIR OWN PATTERNS.
UM, SO IT, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE, YOU KNOW, LOOK YEAR TO YEAR AND YOU'D EXPECT IT KIND OF JUST TO BE SIMILAR.
AND AT SOME POINT WE COULD PROBABLY GRAPH IT OUT AND KINDA LOOK AT IT, BUT IT IS REALLY HARD TO PREDICT.
UM, AND THERE'LL BE TIMES WHERE WE HAVE A, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, THERE WAS A COMPANY THAT CAME IN TO DO CONSTRUCTION.
THEY HAD TWO HELICOPTERS AND THEY THREW OFF OUR NUMBERS FOR A WHOLE YEAR JUST BECAUSE THEY BOUGHT SO MUCH FUEL.
AND IT'S JUST HARD TO PREDICT KIND OF THOSE.
SO I WOULD SAY UNDER ALL THE THINGS, UM, JET A IS THE MOST UNPREDICTABLE AS FAR AS DEMAND.
I JUST WONDERED IF YOU HEARD OF A TREND OR SOMETHING.
I HAVE A FOLLOW ON QUESTION ON THE
THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AGGREGATED OVER THE ENTIRE YEAR TO DATE.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THE YEAR TO YEAR FLUCTUATIONS, DO YOU HAVE A SENSE OF, IS IT SEASONAL? SO I WOULD IMAGINE MORE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, MIGHT PICK UP NOW THAT KIDS ARE OUTTA SCHOOL AND PEOPLE WON'T BE TRAVELING OR I, YEAH, I DON'T, UM, OVERALL FIRE SEASON INCOMING
THAT SEEMS TO BE THE, THE OVERALL.
UM, BUT THAT CHANGES AND, UH, COVID KIND OF THREW THAT OFF.
WE SAW REALLY HEAVY USE, UH, DURING 2000 TO 2020 TO 2022, THERE WAS PRETTY HEAVY USE AND THEN IT DROPPED OFF.
AND SO THEN I THINK MOST OF THAT CAN BE CONTRIBUTED TO CHARTER.
AND CHARTER WAS VERY POPULAR AND THAT KIND OF PETERED OUT A LITTLE BIT.
UM, BUT YEAH, I, I THINK THAT OVERALL, IF WE, WE TREND IT OUT, UM, WHEN WE DO THE FIVE YEAR LOOK, UH, IT SEEMS TO BE THAT AVGAS IS, UM, DECREASING SOMEWHERE BETWEEN, UM, ONE POINT HALF TO 3% DEPENDING THE YEAR.
AND THEN, UH, JET A SEEMS TO BE MIMICING THAT THE OTHER DIRECTION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT, UM, THE, THE TIE DOWN, UH, THE MONTHLY AND OVERNIGHT, UH, FEES AT ALL? HOPE THAT WAS PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY.
UM, AND THEN I JUST WANNA MAKE A A POINT THAT THIS DOES NOT AFFECT, UM, VISITORS, UH, TO THE AIRPORT DAY VISITORS THAT JUST WANT TO USE THE AIRPORT FOR THE DAY.
UM, THERE ARE SOME AIRPORTS THAT THERE IS A TREND WITH, UM, SMALLER AIRPORTS TO CHARGE FOR DAY USE.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S REASONS TO DO THAT.
UM, WE DON'T NEED THAT REVENUE SOURCE AT THIS TIME.
UH, WE DON'T CHARGE FOR DAY USE.
UM, SO ANY VISITORS THAT COME FOR SAY DISPLAY DAY OR TO, TO GO TO THE RESTAURANT OR JUST TO VISIT PLUM BEFORE THEY, THEY'RE NOT GONNA GET CHARGED ANYTHING, UM, FOR THEIR TIME HERE.
UH, MOVING ON TO SOME OF THIS, THE NEW FEES.
UM, A LOT OF THESE FEES WERE, WERE SOMETHING THAT WE WORKED WITH, UM, UH, SOME FORMER AIRPORT COMMISSIONERS, UH, BASED ON, UM, KIND OF THE LACK OF, OF SOME OF THE FEE STRUCTURE THAT WE HAD.
UM, AND, AND SOME OF THESE WE'RE NOT GONNA PROBABLY USE IMMEDIATELY.
UM, 'CAUSE SOME OF THEM REQUIRE THEIR PROJECTS OF THEIR OWN TO GET INTO CONTRACT WITH SAY, A RENTAL CAR COMPANY TO, TO LEAVE RENTAL CAR CARS AT THE AIRPORT.
UM, THINGS THAT WE, YOU KNOW, IN TIME WE MAY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THESE, BUT WE WANTED TO HAVE 'EM IN HERE JUST BECAUSE OF THE TIME IT TAKES TO, TO GET FEES PUT INTO THE SYSTEM.
IT TOOK FOUR YEARS TO GET HERE AND IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE MUCH, BUT IT TOOK FOUR YEARS.
AND SO WE WANTED TO GET THESE IN AS SOON AS WE COULD SO THAT WE COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THINGS LIKE THE FIELD FLOWAGE IN CASE WE HAVE, UH, FORESTRY CONTRACTORS, UM, THAT, THAT NEED TO PUMP AT THE AIRPORT.
WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANNA SLOW THEM DOWN.
WE DON'T WANT TO BE THE SOLE FUEL SOURCE DURING A FIRE EVENT, BUT WE ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT LEAVING ANYTHING ON THE TABLE.
UM, ESPECIALLY FOR A COMPANY THAT'S WORKING IN THEIR CONTRACT.
UM, WE DID PUT AN AIRFIELD ACCESS FEE
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IN, UH, FOR NON-COMMERCIAL USE, UM, TBD ON HOW WE ARE GOING TO USE THAT.UM, BUT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE A FEE SET UP, UM, YOU KNOW, AND SOME OF THE RECENT CHALLENGES THAT WE'VE HAD, UH, FROM OFF AIRPORT, UM, USERS, WE WANTED TO SET THAT UP BECAUSE WE, WE MAY END UP USING THAT FEE IN THE FUTURE.
UM, SO WE WANTED TO HAVE THAT LISTED.
IT'S A SIMILAR FEE THAT WE HAVE.
IN FACT, THIS IS THE EXACT SAME FEE WE HAVE AT THE MARINA FOR, FOR DAY USE, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY A PARKING FEE.
AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT WE MAY, UM, IT MAY BE KIND OF USED AS, UM, WE DON'T, WE DON'T TYPICALLY DO PARKING AT THE AIRPORT JUST 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF PARKING.
BUT, UM, IF PEOPLE ARE USING THE AIRPORT, UH, TO LAUNCH A, UH, A AIRCRAFT OR SOMETHING AND THEY NEED SOMEWHERE TO PARK IT, IT'S WOULD KIND OF BE, THIS WOULD PROBABLY BE A WAY TO, TO CAPTURE, UH, THAT ACTIVITY LESS IS A, AN INCOME STREAM THAT'S GONNA MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE.
MORE JUST A WAY OF DOCUMENTING, UM, UH, ACCESS AND, UM, AND USE.
IT WAS RECOMMENDED BY THE FA TO HAVE AN ACCESS FEE.
UM, SO WHETHER, WHETHER WE USE THAT RIGHT NOW OR NOT, UM, WE HAVE IT AND IT, IT WAS RECOMMENDED.
AND SO WE, WE HAVE IT NOW IN OUR, OUR FEE SCHEDULE.
UM, BASED ON, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW WE'VE BEEN CHANGING, UM, OUR, OUR POLICIES WITH, UM, THE, THE ORIGINAL PART 13, PART 13 COMPLAINTS, UH, IN REGARDS TO, UH, AIRCRAFT MAINTENANCE OFF AIRPORT OPERATORS, UM, OTHER AVIATION SERVICE, OTHER, OTHER, OTHER SERVICES.
WE NEEDED, UH, SOMETHING IN OUR FEE STRUCTURE TO BE ABLE TO USE FOR, UH, COMMERCIAL OPERATORS TO SELL SERVICES AT THE AIRPORT.
UH, THE FA WAS VERY CLEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN'T EXCLUDE, UM, ANYONE THAT, THAT CAN MEET OUR STANDARDS.
UM, AND THEY WERE, THEY WERE ADAMANT THAT WE, THEY, WE NEEDED A SYSTEM TO BE ABLE TO CAPTURE THAT.
UH, WE HAD TO KIND OF A, WE HAD ONE FOR THAT WE SET UP A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
UM, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE THE FEES IN THE FEE SCHEDULE.
AND SO WE HAD, UM, WHEN WE DID OUR FEE STUDY, WE HAD THE FEE STUDY, UH, CONSULTANT LOOK AT, UH, WHAT OTHER AIRPORTS WERE CHARGING.
UM, EVERY AIRPORT'S DIFFERENT WHEN IT COMES TO COMMERCIAL USE, SO WE'RE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN OTHERS.
BUT IF YOU WORK OUT THEIR FEE STRUCTURE, WHICH IS OFTEN A MONTHLY FEE, OURS IS A DAILY FEE.
UM, SOME AIRPORTS HAVE A RESTRICTION ON NUMBER OF DAYS.
YOU CAN, UH, WORK PER YEAR OR A NUMBER OF MONTHS.
YOU CAN, UH, DO TEMPORARY COMMERCIAL, UM, SERVICES.
UH, BUT WE DECIDED TO DO OURS BY THE DAY, UM, AFTER CONSULTING WITH THE, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONERS THAT HELPED US WITH THIS.
AND JUST BASED ON THE FEES THAT WE CHARGE FOR COMMERCIAL HANGERS, AND IF YOU WANNA BE A COMMERCIAL, UM, OPERATOR AT THE AIRPORT, WHAT THOSE FEES WOULD BE, AND THEN BREAK THOSE DOWN INTO A DAILY RATE.
UM, THAT'S WHAT THOSE ARE BASED OFF OF.
AND THEN, UM, WE DID WANNA HAVE A AIRPORT STAFF SUPPORT IN THERE AS WELL IN CASE THERE WAS SOME SORT OF SPECIAL EVENT THAT WAS NOT PART OF OUR REGULAR SPECIAL EVENTS.
THAT WAY WE COULD CAPTURE OUR STAFF TIME USED FOR THAT.
AND THEN FINALLY, UM, AS YOU'VE PROBABLY NOTICED, HAVE YOU'VE BEEN TO THE AIRPORT, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF CONTRACTORS THAT HAVE USED THE YARD OUT IN FRONT OF THE AIRPORT.
UM, THERE'S BEEN A, A A DIFFERENT WAYS OF CAPTURING, UH, THAT USE, UH, FOR THE AIRPORT OVER THE YEARS, BUT WE ARE MOVING TO A, UM, A SET FEE FOR THAT.
THAT WAY IT'S, IT'S FAIR ACROSS, UH, ALL USERS, WHETHER THEY ARE WORKING ON A CITY CONTRACT OR IF MAYBE THEY'RE WORKING ON ANOTHER PROJECT ELSEWHERE, THEY COULD USE DEAR USE THAT YARD, UM, PAYING THE, THE CITY 75 UH, CENTS PER SQUARE FOOT PER MONTH, I DIDN'T SAY PER MONTH THERE, BUT THAT IS PER MONTH.
UM, WHICH IS, WHICH IS AS CLOSE AS WE COULD FIND TO THE MARKET RATE FOR THIS AREA FOR A LAY DOWN YARD AS PART OF A PROJECT.
UM, SO THAT WOULD ONLY REALLY APPLY TO AREAS THAT, UH, UM, ARE NOT ACCESSIBLE BY AIRCRAFT.
THEY'RE NOT USABLE BY THE AVIATION USE, UM, UH, PURPOSES OF AVIATION USE AT THE AIRPORT.
UM, AND THAT'LL PROBABLY EVENTUALLY GO AWAY FOR THE MOST PART, ONCE HANGERS, UH, THERE'S SOME SORT OF HANGER EXPANSION.
UM, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAD THAT FEE THAT WAY WE COULD, UM, RECOUP THOSE, THOSE, UM, THAT USE, UH, FAIRLY AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE FUNDS THAT COULD BE USED TO MAYBE SUPPORT THE ROAD BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THESE TRUCKS DO TEAR DOWN THE ROAD AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN A CONCERN FOR A WHILE.
SO THIS HELPS US KINDA RECOUP THAT AND, UM, IS SUSTAINABLE.
ACTUALLY, A QUICK QUESTION ON THAT, DAN.
WOULD THAT ALSO APPLY TO THE, UH, RV IMPOUND LOT AS WELL? MAYBE IN TIME? UM, AS YOU MIGHT IMAGINE, THERE ARE A LOT OF, UM, LEGACY UNDERSTANDINGS AND AGREEMENTS AND LITTLE BY LITTLE WE ARE TRYING
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TO, UM, FIND WAYS TO, UM, MAKE SURE THAT THEY MEET KIND OF THE NEW STANDARD, UM, THE BEST PRACTICES, UH, RECOMMENDED BY THE FAA.UH, SO IN TIME WE MIGHT DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
HOWEVER, UM, THAT AGREEMENT WAS SET UP LONG BEFORE I ARRIVED, AND SO IT'S SOMETHING WE'D HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT, WHAT MAKES SENSE.
MY GUESS IS THAT IN TIME THERE ARE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT ARE OPENING UP ACROSS THE CITY AND THERE MAY BE OTHER AREAS THAT WOULD PROVIDE, UM, A BETTER LOCATION FOR AN IMPOUND LOT.
AND THAT'S MY, MY GUESS IS WHERE THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA EVENTUALLY GO.
UH, IF WE EVER MOVE FORWARD WITH A, UH, RESTROOM THAT WOULD ALSO, UM, HASTEN THAT DEPARTURE.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THESE FEES OR, UM, I'M CURIOUS.
THE TURBINE ENGINE DAILY FEE, YES.
FOR TURBINE IS A SIGNIFICANT JUMP YES.
AND THERE CAN BE SMALL TURBINE PLANES.
YOU KNOW, TWO SEATERS
THAT, AND THAT'S A GREAT POINT.
IT, THAT IS A VERY SIGNIFICANT JUMP.
UM, HERE'S, HERE'S WHY WE DID IT.
UH, WHEN WE TELL FOLKS THAT WE HAVE A $13 A NIGHT FEE AND THEY'RE SAY A CHARTER COMPANY, WHICH IS MOST, MOST COMMON, THEY LAUGH AT OUR FEES, THEY'RE SO LOW.
AND SO IT JUST FELT LIKE WE WERE LEAVING, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE LOOKED AT OTHER, WHAT OTHER AIRPORTS ARE CHARGING, UM, IT FELT LIKE WE WERE LEAVING MONEY ON THE TABLE THAT COULD BE USED.
AND, UM, M MOST, MOST TURBINE AIRCRAFT ARE CONNECTED WITH A BUSINESS OF SOME SORT.
SO WE DON'T WANT TO, UM, TAKE ADVANTAGE OR GOUGE ANYBODY, BUT FOR COMMERCIAL OPERATORS, A $45 FEE TO STAY OVERNIGHT IS A GREAT DEAL FOR THEM.
UM, THERE'S OTHER AIRPORTS THAT WOULD, WOULD CHARGE 3, 4, 5, 6 TIMES THAT, UM, FOR THE SAME THING WITHOUT ANY KIND OF HANGAR HANGAR SPACE.
SO IT SEEMED TO MEET, UM, THE, THE MARKET RATE, LOOKING AT OTHER AIRPORTS, IT ALSO SEEMED TO BE A NUMBER THAT WAS NOT GOING TO BE EVEN, EVEN QUESTIONED BY A LOT OF OUR, OUR VISITORS, ESPECIALLY THE, THE NET JETS, THE FLEX JETS, THE, YOU KNOW, THE WHEELS UP, THE FOLKS THAT, THAT SOMETIMES WILL PARK OVERNIGHT, THEY WILL RUN TO, TO FLY THE NEXT DAY WITH, WITH A LIVE OUT, UM, FLIGHT.
SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE, WE DID THAT.
WE ALSO WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WEREN'T, WE WERE PROTECTING, UM, UH, OUR TWIN FOLKS.
SO FOR TWIN PISTONS, THERE'S A LOT OF TWIN PIS PISTONS THAT, UM, ARE NOT USED FOR BUSINESS.
AND SO IT FELT LIKE THE, THE $2 INCREASE SEEMED VERY REASONABLE FOR THAT.
UM, WE BROUGHT UP THE SINGLE ENGINE TO MEET, UM, THE RATE BECAUSE A LOT OF THE AIRPORTS CHARGE QUITE A BIT MORE THAN SEVEN AND 10 WAS KIND OF THE AVERAGE ACROSS ALL THE AIRPORTS WE LOOKED AT.
UM, BUT IS IF THERE'S ANY CONCERNS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IS THIS TOO MUCH FOR, FOR TURBINE AIRCRAFT OPERATORS? IT'S NOT.
UM, THEY'RE USED TO PAYING A LOT MORE THAN THAT AND THIS IS A FEE THAT ACTUALLY IS MORE IN LINE, UM, WITH EXPECTATIONS AND PROBABLY EVEN A LITTLE BIT BELOW EXPECTATIONS.
I'M JUST THINKING IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, THE SMALL PLANES THAT, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND A, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL OPERATION, BUT YOU KNOW, LIKE A SMALL TWO OR FOUR SEAT PLANE JUST SEEMS LIKE A BIG JUMP.
AND I UNDERSTAND THEY'RE WILLING TO PAY, BUT
THE, UM, EVEN THE SMALLEST PROP JETS, UM, A A A $45 FEE IS, IS NOT GOING TO BE A, A SIGNIFICANT CHARGE FOR THEM.
AND HONESTLY, WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF THE, UM, CUSTOMERS OR, OR VISITORS THAT ARE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH SOME SORT OF BUSINESS ACTIVITY.
UM, OCCASIONALLY THERE WILL BE A FEW AND THEY OFTEN DON'T STAY THE WHOLE DAY.
THEY JUST STAY, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE DAY AND THEY LEAVE.
SO WE DON'T, WE DON'T SEE A LOT OF FOLKS ANYWAY THAT ARE NOT CONNECTED TO SOME SORT OF BUSINESS.
MOST OF THE JET AIRCRAFT TURBINE AIRCRAFT THAT STAY OVERNIGHT ARE CONNECTED TO A BUSINESS AND THEY ARE, THEY ARE JUST GONNA PASS THAT ON TO THE CLIENT.
THERE'S, THERE'S NO HARDSHIP ANYWHERE THERE YEAH.
FOR THE COMMERCIAL, BUT LIKE I SAID, MOST TURBINE AIRCRAFT ARE, ARE COMMERCIAL AND THEN, AND PEOPLE THAT, UM, EVEN THOSE THAT AREN'T DIRECTLY CONNECTED TO A COMPANY ARE OWNED BY A FAMILY OR AN OWNER THAT IS USING AS A BUSINESS EXPENSE ALMOST EVERY SINGLE TIME.
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JUST PERHAPS BY WAY OF, UM, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T WANNA STIFLE DISCUSSION, BUT THIS SCHEDULE WAS ALREADY APPROVED BY COUNCIL, RIGHT? SO YES,SO WHAT'S THE, UM, WHAT'S THE TIMING FOR, IF WE WANTED TO REVISIT ANY OF THESE AND PUT IT BACK TO COUNCIL, IS THAT A, IS THAT A MULTI-YEAR CYCLE? DOES THAT HAPPEN EVERY MAY? WHAT DOES, WHAT, WHAT IS THE, IF WE WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, CHANGE ONE OF THESE THINGS IN THE FUTURE, SINCE THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED, WHAT WOULD THE TIMING LOOK LIKE FOR THAT, THAT THE TYPICAL TIMING TO START THAT CONVERSATION WOULD BE THE, YOU KNOW, FALL, WINTER OF EVERY YEAR.
UM, WE DON'T DO A, A FEE STUDY EVERY YEAR.
UH, I THINK THE AVERAGE IS PROBABLY TWO OR THREE YEARS.
UH, HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, SMALL CHANGES ARE, ARE NOT AS DIFFICULT AN ISSUE AS NEW CATEGORIES.
SO IF THERE'S NO CATEGORY, THAT'S THE ONES THAT ARE REALLY DIFFICULT.
UM, AND THAT'S WHY IT TOOK SO LONG TO GET THIS SET UP.
UM, 'CAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE, I THINK THE FINANCE WANTED, MAKE SURE THAT THEY COULD CAPTURE EVERYTHING AT ONCE.
UM, INSTEAD OF TRYING TO JUST SORT OF PIECE MAIL THIS, UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN COULD WE PROBABLY TWO YEARS OR LESS, UM, IF THERE WAS, IF THERE WAS CHANGES FOR THAT, UM, WE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE FOCUSED ON OUR TENANTS AND THAT, THAT WAS A LOT OF THE THOUGHT THAT WENT INTO THIS WAS WE ARE FOCUSING ON OUR TENANTS.
WE'RE ALSO MAKING SURE THAT, UM, NON-COMMERCIAL VISITORS ARE NOT GONNA BE SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTED BY THIS.
UM, BUT WE ALSO WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF ASSETS THAT WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN AND IT JUST MADE SENSE TO, FOR HEAVY JETS SLAMMING INTO OUR, OUR RUNWAY AND, AND MAKE MAKING DIVOTS, UM, IN OUR RAMP, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS COMPENSATION.
AND I THINK THIS IS A GOOD START TOWARDS THAT.
AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE ANY, UH, OBJECTIONS DEFINITELY FROM NOT OUR, FROM OUR TENANTS.
UM, AND JUST, AND JUST IN ONE OTHER NOTE, UM, WITH THE INCREASES, WITH THE DECREASES TO THE SINGLE ENGINE PISTON FROM MONTHLY FEES AND THE INCREASE FOR JET, THEY COMPLETELY NEGATE THEMSELVES.
SO THERE IT'S PRETTY MUCH A, A REVENUE NEUTRAL.
UM, AND THAT, YEAH, ANY, ANY, UM, LOSSES FROM THE DECREASE IS GONNA BE GAINED BY, UH, THE CURRENT JET TENANT.
AND THEN, UH, IT'S BEEN SAID SEVERAL TIMES, BUT, UM, WE ARE, UH, THERE WILL BE NO, UH, FEE INCREASES, HANGAR FEE INCREASES, UM, FOR CITY ON HANGERS IN FISCAL YEAR 25.
SO STARTING JULY 1ST, 2024 TO THE END OF JUNE, UH, UM, IN, UH, 2025, THERE WILL BE NO, UM, FEE INCREASES.
NOW I DON'T HAVE THE OTHER DATA I WAS ASKED, WELL, WHAT ABOUT OUR, OUR LEASEHOLD, UM, TENANTS? I DON'T HAVE THAT SHEET YET.
I JUST HAVE THE ONE THAT WAS PUBLISHED, THE ONE THAT WE ADDED TO HERE.
UH, WE DON'T PUBLISH OUR PRIVATE, UM, PRIVATE HANGAR RELEASES.
THEY'RE ALL AT DIFFERENT RATES.
IT'S A, IT'S A LONG, LONG HISTORY, BUT, UM, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING UP EITHER, BECAUSE THOSE ARE BASED ON A SQUARE FOOTAGE RATE AS WELL.
AND SO, TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THOSE HANGAR FEES OR LEASES GOING UP.
BUT, UM, UNTIL I GET THAT SHEET, I CAN'T SAY FOR SURE, BUT AT LEAST FOR OUR HANGAR OR OUR CITY OWNED HANGERS, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE, THE FINAL FEE SCHEDULE, THEY ARE NOT GOING UP FOR THE NEXT YEAR.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT, UM, FEES OR ANYTHING ELSE? FINANCIAL, BEFORE I MOVE ON, DAN? JUST A, MAYBE A REQUEST IS WHEN WE GET TO THE POINT IN THE YEAR WHEN IT MAKES SENSE TO RECONSIDER THESE, WOULD YOU JUST FLAG THAT FOR US, PLEASE? SURE.
I MEAN, I GUESS THAT'S EITHER THIS FALL OR A YEAR FROM THIS FALL, BUT JUST, YEAH, MAYBE THERE WAS, UM, I KNOW WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT IT, BUT MAYBE IT JUST HAPPENED A LITTLE FAST FOR, FOR IT TO REALLY KIND OF SINK IN, SO.
AND THEN, UM, PART OF IT IS, THIS WAS, UM, OVER TWO YEARS AGO THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR, THE, THE, THE CHAIR AT THE TIME, UH, WORKED ON THIS WITH MYSELF AND I, I BELIEVE A COUPLE OF THEIR COMMISSIONERS WERE, WERE INVOLVED AT SOME POINT.
UM, WE DID PRESENT THEM ALL TO THE, THE COMMISSION TWO OVER TWO YEARS AGO, JUST LIKE WE DID WITH THE MINIMUM STANDARDS AND THE, UM, REVISION TO THE, UM, MUNICIPAL CODE, UH, TITLE 16.
AND SO, UM, THE, THE LAG, THE DELAY BETWEEN
AND I THINK THAT'S THE LITTLE, SOMETIMES THE WHIPLASH OF THAT.
UM, BUT THESE FEES ARE PRETTY CLOSE TO WHAT, UM, RICK DUSTY, UM, UH, WORKED ON.
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AND, UM, AND THEN SOME OF THEM ARE JUST, WE JUST FILLED IN BASED ON MARKET RATE.SO, UH, HE HELPED COLLECT A LOT OF DATA, AT LEAST, UH, YOU KNOW, OTHER AIRPORTS THAT WERE, UM, SIMILAR, UH, THE, UH, SUBCOMMITTEE, UH, FOR, UM, THAT, THAT HAS BEEN LOOKING AT RATES ALSO HAD INPUT THAT, THAT LED US LOOK AT ALL THOSE DIFFERENT AIRPORTS.
UM, SO, BUT THIS IS THE RESULT FROM SOMETHING THAT WAS ESSENTIALLY APPROVED AS FAR AS THE, THE CATEGORIES AND KIND OF SUGGESTED FEES TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO.
AND, UM, WE'D BE HAPPY TO EMAIL THAT TO YOU.
IT WAS POSTED AND YEAH, NO, IT WAS SIMULTANEOUSLY TOO MUCH TIME AND NOT ENOUGH TIME.
YES, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE,
AND, UM, IF THERE'S COMPLAINTS FROM OUTSIDE USERS, MORE THAN HAPPY TO TO REVISIT THAT.
BUT, UM, WE MADE SURE THAT IT WAS NOT GONNA NEGATIVELY OR AT LEAST SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACT.
UM, MOST OF OUR TENANTS, UH, WE, WE, UH, STARTED OUR NEW, UH, AIRPORT ATTENDANT ON A TUESDAY, AND, UM, IT'S WORKING OUT REALLY WELL.
AND SO THEY'RE STILL GOING THROUGH ALL THEIR, THEIR TRAINING AND EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT, UM, THAT'S GONNA HELP BACKFILL THE POSITION THAT WAS, WAS EMPTY.
AND SO, UM, YES, THAT'S, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S A
UM, ANY OPERATIONS QUESTIONS BEFORE I MOVE ON? UH, I JUST HAD A QUESTION, UH, REGARDING THE, UH, AVIONICS LEASE THAT WE APPROVED.
I THINK THAT'S GOING BACK ABOUT A YEAR AGO.
UM, I THINK THAT WAS APPROVED UNDER THE, UNDER THE BASIS THAT THEY'D BE OPEN AND AVAILABLE, UM, TO THE TENANTS.
JUST CHECKING IN TO SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY UPDATE ON THAT.
YEAH, I DON'T, I, I DON'T KNOW, UM, WHY THE DELAY? I THINK THE, THE HOPE WAS TO THAT WOULD, UH, THEY WOULD'VE GOT GOING ABOUT A YEAR AGO, BUT I THINK THERE WAS, UM, TO MY UNDERSTANDING, THE, THE MAIN, UM, DELAY WAS DUE TO THE FA A'S DELAY OF APPROVING IT AS A, UM, AVIONICS, UH, STATION.
UM, AND, AND IT IS GONNA BE AN OFFICIAL FBO OFFERING AVI, UH, AVIONICS SERVICES, UM, TO DO THAT THEY NEEDED FAA APPROVAL AND AS WE KNOW, THE FA, YOU KNOW, MOVES AS FAST AS THEY CAN, WHICH IS NOT ALWAYS THAT FAST.
UM, THERE WERE A COUPLE OTHER BUSINESS ITEMS I THINK THAT KIND OF, THAT HAD TO BE DONE FIRST BEFORE THEY STARTED.
UM, BUT, UM, BUT THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD.
AARON, UM, IS, IS SETTING UP ALL THE THINGS HE NEEDED TO SET UP AND THEY'RE HOPING THIS SUMMER TO, TO GET GOING.
I DON'T HAVE A DATE YET, BUT THEY'RE, THIS IS THE TARGET IS THIS SUMMER TO, TO GET GOING.
UM, AND THEY'VE LET ME KNOW THAT THEY INTEND TO OFFER, YOU KNOW, UH, SEVERAL SERVICES THAT ARE NEEDED, UM, INCLUDING GARMIN SERVICE WORK, UM, PDO STATIC TESTING, UM, ALL THOSE KIND OF SERVICES THAT I THINK ARE, ARE DEFINITELY NEEDED IN THE BAY AREA.
AND THERE IS ONLY SO MANY FOLKS THAT ARE OFFERING THOSE.
IT'S JUST WE'VE, WE'VE HAD TO BE A LITTLE MORE PATIENT THAN WE WERE EXPECTING.
UM, I THINK JUST MOSTLY BECAUSE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, FA CERTIFICATION ISSUES.
AND THEN, UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY UPDATES ON, UH, ANY AVAILABLE HANGERS OR THE WAIT LIST? YEAH, AS OF, UH, TODAY I THINK WE ARE IN, UM, WE JUST, UM, ROUTED THE, THE HANGAR, UH, CONTRACT FOR THE LAST HANGAR THAT WAS AVAILABLE THAT'S COMING AVAILABLE, UM, JULY 1ST.
SO AT THIS TIME, I DON'T HAVE ANY INVENTORY.
UM, BUT WE'VE REACHED A REALLY NEAT, UM, EQUILIBRIUM AT THIS POINT WHERE, UH, WE WERE HAVING FIRST, UH, FIRST TIME AIRCRAFT, UH, OWNERS, UM, UH, BEING ABLE TO PURCHASE AND HANGAR AND AIRCRAFT WITHOUT A LONG DELAY.
AND SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF NEAT.
I MEAN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE'VE MENTIONED BEFORE, IT'S, IT'S HARD TO, TO PREDICT, UH, FUTURE DEMAND AND FOR HANGAR EXPANSION, HOWEVER, IT'S BEEN REALLY CONVENIENT FOR PEOPLE WHO JUST WANNA MOVE VERY QUICKLY INTO THAT SPACE.
UM, AS SOON AS SOMEONE GIVES UP A HANGER, UH, WE'RE GETTING A CALL, WE'RE GETTING WALK-INS, UM, PEOPLE SEE IT ON POSTED ON THE WEBSITE AND WE'RE ABLE TO GET IT BACK INTO CONTRACT.
SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK HAVING THE ABILITY TO PUT ON THE WEBSITE THAT WE DO HAVE OPEN AND AVAILABLE HANGERS HAS DEFINITELY BEEN HELPFUL, UM, JUST FROM PEOPLE THAT I'VE TALKED TO.
SO IF WE ARE AT A HUNDRED PERCENT OCCUPANCY AGAIN, THEN, UM, HAS THERE BEEN ANY OTHER MOVEMENT AS FAR AS GOING AFTER SOME OF THE NON-COMPLIANT TENANTS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE? YEAH, UNFORTUNATELY THERE'S, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY HALF, THERE'S BEEN HALF A DOZEN OVER THE LAST YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF
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THAT, UM, SOLD AN AIRCRAFT OR WERE TRYING TO FIND ANOTHER AIRCRAFT, KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY HIT US, THEY HIT US AT A MOMENT WHERE THEY JUST WEREN'T IN A PLACE TO, TO BUY AN AIRCRAFT.AND SO WE WERE, WE WORKED WITH 'EM, BUT A LOT OF THEM WE ARE, ARE GENTLY, UM, PRESSING THEM TO EITHER PURCHASE AN AIRCRAFT OR, OR GIVE UP THE HANGAR.
WE'RE ALSO, YOU KNOW, SPREADING THE MESSAGE TO THEM AS WELL, THAT JUST BECAUSE YOU GIVE UP THIS HANGER DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T GET ANOTHER ONE.
YOU KNOW, BASED ON OUR CURRENT, UM, YOU KNOW, DEMAND AND HANGAR AVAILABILITY, UM, WE CAN JUST GET YOU RIGHT BACK IN, INTO, INTO THE QUEUE IF YOU DECIDE TO, TO BUY SOMETHING.
I THINK FOR SOME PEOPLE, GIVING UP A HANGAR MEANS GIVING UP AVIATION AND, UM, IT'S HARD, IT'S DIFFICULT.
UM, BUT, UM, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO, EVEN JUST IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS, THERE'S BEEN AT LEAST THREE THAT, UM, SOLD AN AIRCRAFT, DID NOT, IT HAD BEEN OVER A YEAR SINCE THEY HAD, UM, SOLD THE AIRCRAFT.
THEY HAD NOT FOUND ANOTHER ONE.
AND SO WE, YOU KNOW, SORT OF GENTLY, UM, MOVED THEM TO, TO, TO GIVE UP THEIR HANGAR.
SO, UM, IT'S NOT HAPPY, BUT IT'S, IT, I THINK IT'S A, IT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED.
IT'S PROBABLY WHAT A LOT OF OTHER AIRPORTS NEED TO DO AS WELL.
IT'S JUST A DIFFICULT THING TO DO BECAUSE NO ONE WANTS TO, TO FORCE ANYONE OUT, BUT THEY ALSO, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE USING THAT FOR AVIATION USE.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WHILE IT'S NICE TO HAVE A GREAT PLACE TO STORE THINGS AND HANG OUT, IF THERE'S NO AIRCRAFT ACTIVITY OR ANY KIND OF AVIATION ACTIVITY, WE JUST CAN'T JUSTIFY IT.
SO IT, I DO APPRECIATE THE, UM, THE SUPPORT THAT WE'VE RECEIVED FROM THE AIRPORT COMMISSION ON THIS.
UM, IT WOULD'VE BEEN HARD TO, TO START THAT, LIKE WE DID PROBABLY, IT WAS 18 TO ALMOST TWO YEARS AGO, I THINK, WHEN WE STARTED DOING THIS TO, TO PUT THE PRESSURE ON PEOPLE TO, TO COMPLY, UM, ESPECIALLY FOR THE INSURANCE.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAD NEVER REALLY BEEN DONE TO THE LEVEL THAT WE WE'VE DONE NOW.
AND, UM, SO WE DO, WE REALLY, REALLY DO APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT AND IT'S REALLY BEEN GREAT FOR A LOT OF FOLKS THAT THEY CAN NOW GET INTO HANGERS.
AND FOR OTHER PEOPLE MAYBE IT WAS TIME TO MAKE THAT DECISION AND SOMETIMES THE DECISION WAS MADE FOR THEM.
BUT, UM, IN THE END I THINK IT WAS BEST FOR EVERYONE.
AND THE ONE, JUST TO BE CLEAR, THERE'S A, A COUPLE OF THE ONES I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE THAT ARE BETWEEN AIRCRAFT, LIKE I SAID, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN, YOU KNOW, THE GOAL OF THE COMMISSION TO ACCOMMODATE THE TENANTS THAT ARE LEGITIMATELY LOOKING FOR AIRCRAFT.
BUT I DO KNOW THERE ARE STILL A COUPLE, ONE IN PARTICULAR THAT IS USING, LET'S CALL IT THE, UM, I'M BUILDING AN AIRCRAFT EXCUSE THAT HAS NO INTENTION OF EVER BUILDING.
I DON'T THINK HE'S A PILOT, I JUST THINK HE'S, IN FACT, I KNOW HE IS USING IT FOR STORAGE.
SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THOSE THAT HAVE AIRCRAFT THAT WANNA MOVE INTO THE AIRPORT ARE BEING PRIORITIZED AND THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE AT FULL CAPACITY, THAT WE KEEP THE PRESSURE ON TO MAKE THINGS HAPPEN, TO MAKE THOSE HANGERS AVAILABLE FOR THOSE THAT WANNA USE 'EM FOR YOUR NAUTICAL PURPOSES.
THERE ARE TWO, UM, AND I THINK I'M GUESSING THAT THE ONE YOU'RE REFERRING TO, THERE'S, UH, TWO TENANTS WHO HAVE BEEN BASICALLY GIVEN TO THE END OF THE YEAR, UM, TO EITHER PROGRESS WITH THEIR PROJECT OR IN ANOTHER CASE, UH, PURCHASE AN AIRCRAFT.
AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, IT IS A GENTLE, BUT IT IS A FIRM APPROACH.
UM, SO THERE'S, THERE ARE TWO THAT ARE IN THAT CATEGORY.
THERE ARE TWO OTHERS THAT ALREADY GAVE THEM UP.
THERE IS ONE THAT GAVE THEIRS UP AS OF TWO WEEKS AGO.
UM, SO THERE'S SOME THAT YOU PROBABLY KNOW ABOUT.
THERE'S SOME YOU PROBABLY DON'T, BUT YEAH, LITTLE BY LITTLE WORKING THROUGH THE, THE BEST INDICATOR WE HAVE, UH, FOR NON AERONAUTICAL USE IS USUALLY INSURANCE DROPS AND THEN THAT STARTS A CONVERSATION.
SO THAT'S TYPICALLY HOW WE, WE DO IT.
UM, BUT ENFORCEMENT'S BEEN REALLY GOOD AND ALSO OUR ENFORCEMENT OF, UM, OVERDUE ACCOUNTS IS, IS VERY GOOD.
WE ONLY HAVE TWO HIGH BALANCE ACCOUNTS AT THIS TIME, AND NEITHER ONE IS OF A HUGE CONCERN.
THAT'S A BIG CHANGE FROM A COUPLE YEARS AGO WHEN WE WOULD HAVE OVER A DOZEN PEOPLE THAT WERE BEHIND, UH, OVER TWO, THREE, $4,000 OR MORE, AS HIGH AS, IN SOME CASES AS HIGH AS $20,000.
SO A LOT'S CHANGED AND, UM, AND IT'S, IT'S WORKING WELL.
ANY OTHER OPERATION QUESTIONS BEFORE I MOVE ON? YEAH, JUST WONDERING, UH, CAN WE GET A STATUS ON THE HANGAR REPAIR AND THE DOOR? YES.
AS OF, UM, YESTERDAY WE HEARD BACK FROM THE DESIGN CONTRACTOR, I THINK THEY HAVE A, THEY HAVE THE, UM, A PARTIAL, UH, ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE FOR IT.
AND I THINK THE DESIGN DOCUMENTS ARE CLOSE TO A HUNDRED PERCENT.
I THINK WE'RE REALLY, WE'RE, WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE, SO I, I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO OUT TO BID, UM, VERY, VERY SOON.
I KNOW WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR A WHILE.
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TARGET.UM, THERE WAS A DELAY, BUT, UM, THEY'RE ALSO HELPING US PREPARE ALL THE BID DOCS AS WELL.
SO WE'RE VERY, VERY CLOSE TO THAT.
AND ONCE THAT GOES OUT TO BID IT AT THIS TIME, WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER WE NEED TO, UM, YEAH, IT, WHAT AT WHAT LEVEL CONTRACTOR COULD, COULD WE BID THIS OUT TO, DEPENDING ON THE, THE LEVEL OF WORK, UM, DEPENDING ON WHAT KIND OF WORK YOU, YOU NEED DIFFERENT LEVELS.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DETERMINE RIGHT NOW.
SO YEAH, IT'S, UH, IT IS MOVING FORWARD SLOWLY, BUT, UM, YEAH, AND WE, AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE, UH, WE ARE LEARNING A LOT ABOUT THIS PROCESS OUTSIDE OF CIP, UM, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.
AND SO I THINK NEXT TIME THERE IS A MAJOR, UH, FAILURE, WE WILL BE, WE CAN REALLY, UM, DECREASE THE, THE LEAD TIME ON THIS.
'CAUSE WE, WE KNOW DESIGN CONTRACTORS THAT CAN DO THE STRUCTURAL WORK AND THAT CAN PREPARE THE BID DOCS, ALL THE THINGS THAT WE CAN'T REALLY DO INTERNALLY, AND WE CAN START ON THOSE RIGHT AWAY INSTEAD OF WAITING.
UM, HOW ABOUT THE DOOR ON, I CAN'T REMEMBER ON ROW 18? YEAH, THE, THE LAST TIME WE WERE KIND OF WAITING FOR, BEFORE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT WAS, UM, WE DECIDED TO JUST PUT IT INTO THE FISCAL YEAR 25 BUDGET.
THAT WAY WE DIDN'T GET IN THE CYCLE OF, WELL, WE, IT APPROVED IN EMERGENCY USE OR, YOU KNOW, SO WE JUST WANNA PUT IN THE BUDGET JUST SO WE HAD APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD.
IT DOESN'T SHOW UP IN A CIP, IT'S NOT PART OF THAT BUDGET, IT'S NOT REALLY PART OF THE OPERATIONAL BUDGET.
IT'S KINDA THIS THIRD CATEGORY.
SO WE ASKED FOR IT AS A, A SEPARATE ITEM ON THE FISCAL 25 BUDGET.
IT PASSED WITH EVERYTHING ELSE, INCLUDING THE HANGAR FEASIBILITY.
SO WE WERE JUST WAITING FOR THAT APPROVAL, WHICH CAME FAIRLY RECENTLY.
SO NOW WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE BID.
IS THERE AN EXPECTED TIME ON THAT? UM, NO
YEAH, THE ACTUAL WORK IS GONNA GO REALLY FAST.
UM, THE, THIS IS ONE OF THESE PROJECTS WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE, LIKE THE RAMP RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT WAS, A LOT ABOUT THE ACTUAL LABOR AND, AND THE, ALL THE STEPS THAT HAD TO BE DONE.
THIS ONE IS 95% OF THE WORK IS ALL THE PRE-WORK, THE ACTUAL PUTTING IT TOGETHER, DOING THE REPAIR SUPER FAST, VERY SIMPLE.
IT'S JUST THE, IT'S JUST THE GETTING EVERYTHING READY FOR IS, IS THE HARD PART.
SO ONCE THAT'S DONE, IT SHOULD GO REALLY, REALLY FAST.
UM, ANY OTHER OPERATIONS? JUST WANNA TOUCH ON A COUPLE THING ON PROJECTS.
UM, WELL WE'VE, WE'VE MET WITH OUR DESIGN TEAM, UH, MEAD HUNT THAT ARE HELPING US WITH THE, UM, TAXI WE ALPHA AND TAXI, TAXI LANE, BRAVO, UH, PROJECTS.
UM, IS JUST TO RECAP, WE GOT, UM, TWO GRANTS, ONE FOR EACH LIBO OR $200,000 EACH, UH, TO HELP US WITH THAT, UH, 90% MATCH OF WHAT OUR, UM, ESTIMATED DESIGN COSTS WOULD BE.
AND SO WHEN WE HAD THAT MEETING, ONE ISSUE THAT CAME UP IS THAT, UM, TAXIWAY ALPHA TECHNICALLY IS ONLY WITH THE UPDATED AIRPORT LAYOUT PLAN IS REALLY ONLY DESIGNED FOR 25 FEET.
UM, SO THE, UM, UH, MOVING FORWARD AND IT, RIGHT NOW IT'S 35.
SO, UH, MOVING FORWARD, AS LONG AS WE CAN MAINTAIN TAX AWAY ALPHA WITH EITHER OUR OWN FUNDS OR, UH, WITH, UM, REHABILITATION FUNDS LIKE WE'RE DOING, OR OUR PLAN IS TO DO, UM, IN LATE 25, UM, OR IN THIS CASE WOULD BE 26, WE CAN KEEP THAT WIDTH.
AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE OUR INTENT, ESPECIALLY WITH SOME OF THE WIDER, UM, MAIN WHEEL BASES THAT WE SEE WITH SOME OF THE JET AIRCRAFT.
UM, 35 SEEMS LIKE A GOOD NUMBER.
I DEFINITELY WOULDN'T WANT TO GO ANY NARROWER.
IT ALSO LEAVES SOME ROOM FOR, FOR SAFETY IN CASE SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, LOSES THE CENTER LINE.
UM, BUT THE FA IS BASICALLY SAYING IF THEY HAVE TO COME BACK WITH LIKE A, A RECONSTRUCTION, NOT A REHABILITATION, NOT JUST A PAVE OVER OR, UM, SEAL OR WHATEVER THE, WHATEVER THAT, THAT PROJECT WOULD BE, IF THEY ACTUALLY HAVE TO COME OUT, LIKE THEIR PLAN IS WITH TAXIWAY BRAVO, THE SECTION OF TAXIWAY BRAVO THAT WE ARE WORKING ON IS A COMPLETE, UH, RECONSTRUCTION.
THE ALL THE PAYMENT COMES OUT JUST LIKE THE RAMP RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT WHERE WE, WE TOOK THE PAVEMENT OUT.
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IF THEY, IN, IN YEARS, IN THE FUTURE YEARS, IF THEY DO THAT, IT'LL GO DOWN TO 25.SO I GUESS THAT'S, UM, A GOOD MOTIVATION TO, TO MAINTAIN THIS TAXI WAY AS LONG AS POSSIBLE AT SOME POINT.
THAT MAY BE THE ONLY OPTION, YOU KNOW, ONCE THESE, THE, EVEN WITH THE CAP THAT WE'RE GONNA PUT ON IT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, UM, A A, YOU KNOW, A SMALL LAYER OF ASPHALT OVER TIME, EVENTUALLY IT MAY NEED TO BE REPLACED.
SO THAT'S, I GUESS THAT'S THE BAD NEWS IS AT SOME POINT, IF, YOU KNOW, IF WE USE THE FEDERAL FUNDS TO COMPLETELY RE RECONSTRUCT THAT TAX AWAY ALPHA, IT WOULD GO BOUND TO THE 25.
IT WOULD STILL BE USABLE BY ALL AIRCRAFT.
EVERY, EVERY AIRCRAFT THAT CURRENTLY USE THE AIRPORT COULD STILL USE THE AIRPORT, BUT LOSING THAT 10 FEET IS, YOU KNOW, IT IS SIGNIFICANT.
SO ANYWAY, JUST A HEADS UP ON THAT.
WELL, GIVEN THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR FUTURE IS PROBABLY MORE JET TRAFFIC, UM, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO, YOU KNOW, SO THAT 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD WE ARE QUALIFIED FOR 35 FOOT WIDE TAXI WAY? I MEAN, I'M SURE THIS IS ON YOUR MIND, UM, BECAUSE YEAH, THIS SEEMS REGRESSIVE TO, UH, TO, UH, MAKE IT NARROWER WHEN WE'RE, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY GONNA BE HAVING YEAH.
SO I, TWO THINGS ARE AT, AT PLAY.
UM, ONE IS THE DESIGN STANDARD.
SO, UM, YOU HAVE DESIGN GROUP ONE THROUGH SIX, UM, SIX BEING A THREE 80 AT LEAST AIRCRAFT DESIGN, THERE'S DIFFERENT, SO THERE'S AIRCRAFT DESIGN GROUP, AND THEN THERE'S THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE ITSELF.
UM, SO LIKE A, A TAXI LANE VERSUS A TAXI WAY.
THEY ALL HAVE DESIGN STANDARDS.
THOSE STANDARDS HAVE INCREASED OVER TIME FOR SAFETY.
SO FOR INSTANCE, OUR, OUR TAXI LANES BETWEEN OUR HANGERS, OUR OLDER HANGERS, I THINK MAYBE EVEN THE NEWER ONES, UM, WOULD NOT NECESSARILY MEET THE NEW STANDARD.
UH, SO WITH THAT, ALSO, BRAVO DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO BE, UM, A TAXI, A, A CERTAIN TAXIWAY, UM, STANDARDS.
AND SO BECAUSE OF THE, THE, THE, UM, PROXIMITY TO THE ENDS OF THE HANGERS.
THE OTHER ISSUE IS, WELL, YEAH, WE COULD GO WIDER SURE.
OR GO WIDER, BUT THEN WHERE DO YOU PUT THE RUNWAY? 'CAUSE EVENTUALLY YOU'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, SO THAT, THAT'S PART OF THE ISSUE IS YES, YOU, IF YOU MOVE THINGS OVER, YOU COULD GO TO A HIGHER CATEGORY.
UM, TWO IS, I WANNA SAY IT'S 35.
IF, UM, AND I CAN PRESENT THIS IN OUR TIME, WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK AT THE A LP AND KIND OF SHOW IT.
BUT IT IS, IT HAS BEEN IN THE A LP ALL THIS TIME.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ACTUALLY NOTICED, BUT IT SHOWS WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, WHAT THE ACTUAL DESIGN GROUP THAT THE FA IS GONNA SUPPORT, THAT THEY APPROVED FOR THIS, A LP THAT WAS FA APPROVED.
UM, WHAT THAT WOULD BE REDUCED TO ONCE IT WAS NO LONGER SERVICEABLE.
SO JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
BUT THAT, UM, THE GOOD NEWS IS IT'S NOT GONNA AFFECT US NOW.
UH, THEY ARE GOING TO PAY FOR THE 35 FEET AS AS A, UH, REHABILITATION.
IT, IT IS POSSIBLE WE COULD KEEP REBI REHABILITATING IT TO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO CUTOFF TIME NECESSARILY.
UM, WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO HAPPEN IS IT TO GET TO THE CONDITION OF BRAVO WHERE YOU NO LONGER HAVE A CHOICE.
BRAVO IS NOT, THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN DO A, A RECONDITIONING OF IT.
SO, I GUESS KIND, KIND OF CAUTIONARY TALE ON THAT ONE.
UM, BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS THE PLAN IS TO, TO PUT SOME HEALTHY, UM, SHOULDERS ON, ON BOTH.
SO WE, WE ARE GONNA BE DOING SOME SHOULDER WORK ON ALPHA.
THERE'S DEFINITELY GONNA BE SOME SHOULDER WORK ON BRAVO.
UH, BRAVO IS NOT GONNA CHANGE THE SIZE.
UH, BRAVO IS CURRENTLY 25, SO THERE'S NO CHANGES THERE.
UM, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO SPEND A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE EDGES TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT MATERIAL IS EITHER, UM, REMOVED, REPLACED, OR CONDITIONED.
SO JUST LIKE WE DID FOR THE RAMP A, UM, CONCRETE OR, UM, LIME, UH, TREATMENT AND MAYBE BOTH, LIKE WE DID FOR THE, THE, THE RAMP, IT WAS ACTUALLY BOTH, WE USED BOTH PROCESSES TO, UM, TO GET THAT SOIL TO, UM, THAT EXPANSIVE SOIL TO STOP EXPANDING
UM, AND SO THAT'S THE, THE SAME INTENT HERE IS TO DO SOME SOIL, UM, TREATMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT SOIL IS MOVING AROUND, WHICH IS REALLY WHAT'S HAPPENING AT, ON, ON BRAVO AND WHY IT'S SO BAD ON THE EDGES.
WELL, THAT'S WHOLE THING'S BAD.
THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? ALL RIGHT.
I DON'T THINK I HAD ANYTHING ELSE ON PROJECTS.
ANY PROJECT QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? UM, OUTTA CURIOSITY, I'VE NOTICED THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF SOIL MOVED
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AROUND THE TWO NINE END OF THE ANCHOR RUNWAY.UM, IS THAT, WHAT'S THAT FOR
YEAH, SO, UM, STARTING BACK IN, UH, 2021 OR 2022, UH, WE RECYCLED, UM, THERE WAS SOME PROJECTS IN THE CITY WHEN IT WAS MARIA DRIVE AND WE USED, STARTED USING, UM, THE RECYCLED MATERIALS FROM MARIA DRIVE TO HELP SHORE UP OUR EXISTING PATH THAT WE HAD AROUND THE WHOLE AIRPORT OR OUR ROAD THAT WAS THERE, UM, WHICH WOULD, WOULD NOT BEEN MAINTAINED VERY WELL.
UM, IN SUBSEQUENT PROJECTS LIKE THE RAMP RECONSTRUCTION, WE WERE ABLE TO RECYCLE ALL THOSE MATERIALS.
SOME OF THOSE HAVE SUNK OVER TIME, SO WE, THEY, THEY WERE THICKER AT ONE TIME, THEY'VE SUNK.
UM, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THOSE MATERIALS THAT ARE OUT THERE, THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE JUST SHORING UP THE EXISTING EXISTING ROAD.
AND SO WE, WE, UM, APPLIED FOR A-A-C-Q-A, UM, EXEMPTION BECAUSE OF AN EXISTING, IT WAS EXISTING ROAD THAT WE HAD.
WE WERE JUST IMPROVE, BASICALLY NOT IMPROVING, BUT JUST, UM, SHORING UP THE EXISTING ROAD TO MAKE SURE IT WAS STILL USABLE.
'CAUSE OVER TIME, EVERYTHING OUT THERE, WHATEVER BASE ROCK OR MATERIAL YOU HAVE ON THAT GRAVEL ROAD JUST GETS SUNK, JUST SINKS RIGHT INTO THE MUD.
SO OVER TIME, THAT'S, WE JUST KEEP ADDING TO IT AND WE TRY NOT TO BRING THAT ROAD LEVEL UP TOO HIGH, HIGHER THAN IT SHOULD BE JUST TO TRY TO MAINTAIN IT.
UM, BUT IT IS SINKING OVER TIME.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE MATERIAL OUT THERE.
IT'S JUST A PERIMETER IS OUR PRIMARY ROAD.
SO IT'S BASICALLY FOR JUST A ROADWAY.
AND THE PRIMARY, UM, PURPOSE OF IT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN GET EMERGENCY, UM, RESPONDERS, FIRST RESPONDERS OUT TO THE, BOTH THE NORTHWEST END OF THE FIELD AND THE SOUTHEAST END TO RECOVER AIRCRAFT IN THE CASE OF A CRASH.
AND THEN THE OTHER IS JUST THAT OUR STAFF CAN GO AROUND AND CHECK THE FENCE TO MAKE SURE IT'S INTACT.
UM, OUR, OUR PERMIT FENCE WAS, UM, DAMAGED BY AN UNKNOWN PARTY A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, AND, UH, WE WOULDN'T HAVE KNOWN THAT UNLESS WE COULD GET OUT THERE TO TAKE A LOOK.
SO THAT'S THE OTHER THING IS OUR INSPECTION.
I, THIS IS KIND OF OFF SUBJECT, BUT I KNOW WE'RE HAVING THIS BIG, UH, DISPLAY DAY.
UM, IS THERE ANY OTHER AVAILABLE PARKING? YEAH, WE, HISTORICALLY, WE'VE ALWAYS USED A PART OF THE TRAIL, UM, THAT WE HELP MAINTAIN AS PART OF THE OPEN SPACE.
SO WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA PUT SOME CARS OUT ON IN THE FIELD.
THERE'LL STILL BE ENOUGH ROOM FOR, UM, THE PUBLIC TO STILL USE THE TRAIL AND USE THAT SPACE.
BUT, UH, THE PLAN IS FOR OVERFLOW PARKING, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOMEBODY AND WE WILL HAVE, UH, CITY STAFF AVAILABLE TO ASSIST WITH THAT.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE GONNA BE, BUT, UM, WE'RE, I'M ANTICIPATING SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THE OPENING OF THE RESTAURANT, UH, LAST SUMMER, UM, THE KIND OF NUMBERS WE SAW THERE.
AND WE DID HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF OVER OVERFLOW PARKING INTO THE, INTO THE FIELD.
ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE I CONCLUDE? OKAY, THANK YOU.
UM, SO I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE LAST ITEM THAT WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA.
UM, SO UNLESS THERE'S ANY CLOSING COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM ANYONE ON WHAT WAS SHARED, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND ADJOURN.
MAKE SURE I HIT THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE CHICKEN.