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          ASHLEY PRESENT. 
          BAKER EDM. 
          MINSTER. 
          HERE. 
          AMP HERE. 
          TI PETERS HERE. 
          SCH SHRIMPS. 
          SURE. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          [PRESENTATIONS]
UH, THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS ON THE AGENDA IS A PRESENTATION. 
          THE PRESENTATION WILL BE BY COOL PETALUMA ON RECENT AND FUTURE ACTIVITIES. 
          HI Y'ALL. 
          NICE TO SEE YOU. 
          UH, I'M JUST GONNA MAKE A REALLY QUICK, UH, UPDATE FOR WHAT HAPPENED IN THE MONTH OF MAY AND WHAT'S COMING UP, UH, FOR THE SUMMER. 
          UM, ONE OF THE ITEMS I MOST WANTED TO SHARE IS THAT THE BIKE TO SCHOOL DAY NUMBERS CAME IN AND OVERALL IN THE COUNTY, WE HAD A, UM, TWO AND A HALF TIMES INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF BIKES RIDING ON THE, UH, BIKE TO SCHOOL DAY ON MAY 8TH. 
          UH, BUT IN PETALUMA HAD THE HIGHEST OVERALL. 
          UH, WE HAD THREE TIMES MORE BIKES ON THE, UH, BEING COUNTED PETALUMA CITY SCHOOLS, UM, EVEN MORE, THREE AND A HALF TIMES MORE BIKES, UH, OVERALL. 
          SO THEY REALLY, UH, KNOCKED IT OUTTA THE PARK. 
          AND A LOT OF IT IS BECAUSE OF THEIR SUPPORT, UH, BY PUTTING IT OUT ON PARENTS SQUARE AND POSTING THE MAP AND DOING THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO THAT WAS A REALLY EXCITING, UH, INFORMATION TO SHARE. 
          WE HOPE TO KEEP THAT GOING, UH, IN THE NEW SCHOOL YEAR. 
          SO THERE'LL BE SOME, A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS HAPPENING ABOUT THAT. 
          UH, THERE IS A SAFE ROUTE TO SCHOOL MEETING ON, UH, NEXT THURSDAY FROM FOUR TO FIVE 30 AT CASA POINTING, IN PARTICULAR AT THE VICE MAYOR TO MAKE SURE HE, UH, COMES AND, UH, UH, JOINS US FOR THAT. 
          UM, AND, UH, UH, WE HAD OUR FIRST FRIDAY SECOND, FIRST FRIDAY AS WE'RE BUILDING THE MOMENTUM. 
          ANOTHER, UM, RECORD NUMBER OF BIKE RIDERS SHOWING UP. 
          AND, UH, SO THOSE WILL BE HAPPENING. 
          THERE'S ANOTHER ONE ON JULY 5TH, OF COURSE. 
          IT'S ALWAYS FIRST FRIDAY AT FIVE, UH, WALNUT PARK. 
          AND WE ALSO NOW HAVE A, UH, EAST SIDE, UH, RIDE, UH, PICKUP SPOT. 
          UH, AND THAT'S BEEN SUPER HELPFUL TO GET MORE RIDERS COMING FROM THE EAST SIDE. 
          UH, JULY 4TH, STARS AND STRIPES, DOGS AND BIKES. 
          THERE'LL BE A BIKE PARADE LEADING FROM PRINCE PARK THAT'S, WE'RE DOING THAT WITH THE CITY. 
          UH, AND WE'LL BE LEAVING FROM PRINCE PARK. 
          IT'S JUST, IT'S A SHORT BIKE PARADE. 
          BUT THE IDEA IS JUST TO HELP CONTINUE TO SHOW PEOPLE THAT THERE ARE BIKE TRAILS AND BIKE ROUTES FOR PEOPLE TO USE. 
          UH, TO GET TO THE, UH, EVENT THAT STARTS AT 11 O'CLOCK. 
          THE BIKE PARADE WILL LEAVE ABOUT 10 20, UH, FROM PRINCE PARK. 
          AND THEN WE'LL JUST CRUISE DOWN, UH, THE LYNCH CREEK TRAIL TO, UH, LOU CASEY. 
          AND THEN SECOND SATURDAY RIDE JULY 13TH. 
          UH, THAT'S AT 10:00 AM AND THOSE ARE JUST BIKE RIDES, AGAIN, TO GET FAMILIES RIDING TO PARKS, PEOPLE, ANYONE DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO BE FAMILIES. 
          WE HAD, UM, 20 RIDERS THIS LAST, LAST SATURDAY. 
          SO, UM, THE EXPO, WE HAD OUR EXPO ON MAY 21ST. 
          WE HAD 450 ATTENDEES, UH, 53 EXHIBITORS. 
          AND THEN MY FAVORITE PART TO SITE, 'CAUSE THIS IS ALL ABOUT MODE SHIFT, WE HAD, UH, MORE THAN 50%, UH, 53% SHOWED UP BY WALKING, BIKING, UH, BUSING, UH, AN ELECTRIC CAR. 
          SO THAT GRAPH WAS SO LOVELY TO SEE THAT, UH, WE ACTUALLY, UH, MOVED INTO THE PIE ONTO THE, UH, UH, INTO THE GAS CAR. 
          WE HAD MORE PEOPLE DOING THAT THAN DRIVING OR ARRIVING IN THEIR GAS CAR. 
          UM, AND THEN, UH, LET'S SEE, WHAT OTHER ITEMS DO I HAVE TO SHARE WITH YOU? THE SUMMER, I GOT THE SUMMER RIDES. 
          UH, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE DOING SOME STRATEGIC PLANNING FOR COOL PETALUMA. 
          SO WE IS, THIS IS OUR, WE'RE LIKE, UH, NATIVE PLANTS. 
          WE GO A LITTLE QUIET DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS MINUS OUR, OUR BIKE RIDES. 
          SO, UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER EVENTS BESIDES, OH, I DO HAVE ONE MORE, A WINTER, UH, WINTER , SUMMER SOLSTICE PICNIC. 
          YOU ALL ARE INVITED TO JOIN US. 
          IT'LL BE DOWN AT, UH, THE FOUNDRY AND WE JUST, IT'S A POTLUCK PICNIC. 
          IT'S A REALLY FUN WAY TO SIT AND ENJOY OUR AMAZING VIEW ALONG THE RIVER. 
          UM, AND THAT IS NEXT WEDNESDAY AT, UH, FIVE O'CLOCK. 
          THANKS, DAN . 
          YEAH, IT'S A REALLY FUN AFTERNOON. 
          IT'S OUR SECOND YEAR THAT WE'VE DONE IT, AND YOU BRING A POTLUCK AND WE SHARE FOOD AND WE TALK AND YOU GET TO MEET NEW PEOPLE AND JUST SIT IN THE GRASS AND IT'S A LOVELY WAY TO CELEBRATE THE, UH, PEAK OF SUMMER. 
          SO, ANYWAYS, THANK YOU ALL AND, UH, LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU NEXT MONTH. 
          ALRIGHT, EXCELLENT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          UM, THE NEXT ITEM ON THE 
          [GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT]
AGENDA, GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          I DO HAVE ONE COMMENT CARD, SO THOSE OF YOU IN THE AUDIENCE, ALL OF YOU, IF YOU HAVE , UM, I HAVE A COMMENT CARD FROM NED ORETTE. 
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PLEASURE TO FOLLOW. 
          COOL. 
          PETALUMA HERE. 
          UM, I LOST MY NOTES. 
          YOU KNOW, I, I WAS A MEMBER OF THIS COMMISSION AT ONE TIME AND I STARTED, UH, FOCUSING ON BUILDING RETROFITS. 
          AND TOWARD THE END OF MY CAREER, I STEPPED BACK, WANNA LOOK AT THE BIG, BIGGER PICTURE AGAIN. 
          AND THE FIRST THING THAT'S PRETTY CLEAR, AND WE KNEW IT ALL ALONG, BUT THE, OUR MISSIONS THAT WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR IS PETALUMA'S ARE NOT JUST IN THE FOSSIL FUELS. 
          WE BURN WITHIN CITY LIMITS, BUT ALSO THOSE, UH, THAT ARE EMITTED ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE EARTH, IN THE GENERATION, THE MANUFACTURER OF THINGS THAT WE BUY, OR SERVICES THAT WE TAKE, LIKE JET PLANE TRIPS AND SO FORTH. 
          AND IT TURNS OUT THAT SECTOR OF EITHER THEY, THEY CALL IT CONSUMPTION EMISSIONS OR INDIRECT EMISSIONS, IS AT LEAST TWO THIRDS OF OUR TOTAL. 
          AND WHEN YOU ADD IT ALL UP, PETALUMA ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ABOUT 20 METRIC TONS OF GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS PER PERSON PER YEAR, WHICH IS FIVE TIMES MORE THAN THE WORLD AVERAGE. 
          SO IT'S A BIG DEAL. 
          AND TO GET TO NET ZERO, WE REALLY HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT WHOLE THING. 
          AND OF COURSE, THAT IS THE, THE FIRST BIG STEP. 
          NET ZERO, IF WE GET THERE, IT MEANS WE STOP INCREASING THE EMISSIONS, BUT WE STILL HAVE TO BACK UP TO PRE-INDUSTRIAL CONDITIONS, WHICH IS A BIG DEAL. 
          SO HOW ARE WE GONNA GET THERE? SO IN LOOKING AROUND THINGS, UM, THE FOOD SECTOR IS THE BIGGEST AREA OF, UH, INDIRECT EMISSIONS. 
          SO WHAT CAN WE DO IN THE FOOD THAT MIGHT SET AN EXAMPLE, WHICH ISN'T BEING DONE NOW? AND LOOKING AROUND THE CALIFORNIA AIR RESOURCES BOARD PUT OUT A STATEMENT SAYING, THE FASTEST GROWING SOURCE OF GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS IN CALIFORNIA AND GLOBALLY IS FROM HYDROFLUORIC CARBON REFRIGERANTS. 
          AND THOSE ARE BASED IN COMMERCIAL OPERATIONS, INDUSTRIAL RESIDENTIAL, LIKE IN HEAT PUMPS, IF YOU HAVE A CRUMMY REFRIGERANT AND TRANSPORTATION. 
          SO HOW CAN WE DEMONSTRATE A CHANGE? WELL, WE TRIED TO FIND SOME SUPERMARKET WE COULD RETROFIT FROM STANDARD REFRIGERANTS TO NEW ONES. 
          'CAUSE THEY ALL LEAK, COULDN'T GET HOLD OF ONE. 
          UH, WE COULDN'T GET A PROJECT STARTED, SO WE STEPPED IT UP AND SAID, WHAT ABOUT A FOOD PROCESSOR? WE'RE NOT AWARE OF ANY FOOD PROCESSOR'S IN THE COUNTY THAT USED NATURAL RE REFRIGERANT, WHICH ARE EITHER CO2 PROPANE OR AMMONIA. 
          AND OF THOSE CO2 SEEMS LIKE THE SAFEST THING. 
          IT'S NOT GONNA CREATE A FIRE OR IF IT LEAKS, NO ONE'S GONNA GET INJURED INTERNALLY. 
          SO AT THAT TIME, WE SAW THE CALIFORNIA ENERGY COMMISSION PUT OUT SOME BIG GRANT OPPORTUNITIES. 
          SO WE APPLIED WITH AARON DALEY, UM, WHO'S A REFRIGERATION EXPERT, USED TO WORK FOR WHOLE FOODS. 
          ANYWAY, UM, WE DECIDED WE WOULD, WE WOULD TRY TO RETROFIT A FOOD PROCESSOR. 
          SO STRAUS FAMILY CREAMERY AGREED TO GO ALONG WITH US, AND WE GOT A $1.8 MILLION GRANT TO SHIFT THEIR REFRIGERANT FROM A HYDRO. 
          UM, WE WOULD BE OKAY IF EVERYONE, IF WE GRANTED THREE MORE MINUTES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          PLEASE, UH, MR. CHAIR. 
          I'LL SPEED IT UP. 
          SO ANYWAY, UM, USING OUR 4 48 A, WHICH SOME GROCERY STORES USE HERE, AND WE WANTED TO CHANGE IT TO A NATURAL REFRIGERANT. 
          SO WE, WE SELECTED CO2, UH, AARON SUGGESTED FLOW ENVIRONMENTAL SYSTEMS BE OUR, OUR INDUSTRIAL SUPPORTER. 
          THEY MAKE CO2 REFRIGERATION EQUIPMENT AND HAVE BRILLIANT PEOPLE ON THEIR STAFF. 
          UM, DMG WOULD HELP SET THIS UP. 
          PROSPECT SV IN SILICON VALLEY WROTE THE GRANT PROPOSAL, DID A MARVELOUS JOB. 
          AND THE CLIMATE CENTER, WE, WE INVITED THEM TO BE A, UH, A GROUP TO, TO GET THE WORD OUT ABOUT THIS LATER. 
          IT WAS INTERESTING. 
          THEY DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT REFRIGERANTS . 
          I MEAN, THIS IS SUCH A BIG DEAL, THE FASTEST GROWING SOURCE OF GHG IN THE WORLD, AND ESPECIALLY CALIFORNIA. 
          AND WE'RE, ARE WE PAYING ATTENTION TO IT? I DON'T KNOW. 
          BUT HERE WE WILL. 
          AND SO WE GOT THE BIG GRANT. 
          THE WORK IS GETTING UNDERWAY AND I'M PROUD TO SAY THAT, UM, LAWRENCE BERKELEY NATIONAL LABORATORY IS GONNA PROVIDE A TEAM TO MEASURE THE BEFORE AND AFTER, UH, INFORMATION. 
          SO WE SHOULD, THAT SHOULD BE REALLY SOLID DATA. 
          SO ANYWAY, THAT'S WHAT'S GOING OUTSIDE. 
          YOU GOT THE GRANT? IS THAT YOU WERE AWARDED THAT BY THE CEC OR YOU'RE STILL WAITING ON IT? NO, WE'VE GOT IT. 
          OH, $1.8 MILLION. 
          YEAH. 
          REALLY. 
          AND OF ALL THE GROUND APPLICATIONS SUBMITTED TO THE CEC, THIS ONE SCORED THE HIGHEST. 
          SO, PETALUMA, I SONOMA COUNTY'S OFF 
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TO START. 
          WE'RE LOOKING FOR OTHER PROJECTS NOW IN MY SPARE TIME, BUT THAT'S THE ONE THAT IS UNDERWAY AND TWO DEEPLY INVOLVED IN IT. 
          SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          CONGRATULATIONS. 
          WHEN DID YOU HEAR ABOUT, UH, THREE WEEKS AGO? IS THERE GONNA BE ANY COVERAGE? LIKE IN THE PRESS DEMOCRAT? OKAY. 
          I THINK, UH, IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO INVITE NED AND HIS TEAM, UH, TO COME GIVE A FORMAL PRESENTATION ON THIS TOPIC, YOU KNOW, IN THE MIDTERM, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE GET ALL THIS PLANNING, UH, STUFF UNDER WRAPS. 
          BUT NED, WE WILL CERTAINLY INVITE YOU BACK AND, YOU KNOW, THE REPRESENTATIVES FROM YOUR GRANT, ET CETERA. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, PLEASE LET US KNOW, UH, AS A COMMISSION AND THE CITY WHAT MORE WE CAN DO TO SUPPORT YOU. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          YEAH, WE HAVE A LOT OF GROCERY STORES WITH TOWN AND FOOD PRESENT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WRAPPING UP GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          WE DID RECEIVE, UH, TWO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          UH, ONE WAS FROM MS. REINHARDT ABOUT IDLING VEHICLES PRIMARILY. 
          UH, I WILL SAY, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS RELAYED TO ME BY, UH, SOME BOARD MEMBERS OF THE SCHOOL BOARD IS THAT PROVIDING PUBLIC COMMENTS TO THE SCHOOL BOARD IN THE SAME VEIN THAT THEY'RE BEING PROVIDED TO THE CLIMATE COMMISSION WOULD HELP ADVANCE THAT CONVERSATION WITHIN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. 
          AND SO, WHILE IT IS APPROPRIATE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION HERE, AND YOU KNOW, THIS SOMETIMES CROWDED ROOM, UH, I DO ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO, UH, MAKE THESE SAME OR SIMILAR COMMENTS AT THE SCHOOL AND IN THE SCHOOL BOARD. 
          UH, THE SECOND PUBLIC COMMENT FROM DEBBIE STURGIS WAS ABOUT NOISE ABATEMENT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I WILL SAY HAVING BEEN TO THE, UH, OPENING OF THE BASEBALL PARK, YOU KNOW, THAT JUMPY HOUSE WAS BEING POWERED BY A NOISY GENERATOR, YOU KNOW, THE, NOT EVEN THE QUIET KIND OF GENERATOR. 
          UM, SO I DO KNOW WITHIN OUR ACTION PLAN, WE TALK ABOUT SOARS AND LEAF BLOWERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UH, I DO KNOW THE CITY DID PURCHASE A LARGE MOBILE BATTERY, PATRICK. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE STATUS IS OF THAT. 
          WE DON'T HAVE A FORMAL ACTION PLAN OF HOW TO USE THAT BATTERY, BUT I DO THINK IN THE INTEREST OF THE JUMPY HOUSE NOISE PROBLEM OF THE WORLD, THERE MIGHT BE A SOLUTION THERE. 
          SO, UM, IF THERE ISN'T A PLAN YET FOR HOW TO BEST USE THAT MOBILE BATTERY, I DO THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR THE NOISE POLLUTION AS WELL AS THE AIR POLLUTION PROBLEM THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER THAT. 
          UM, AND, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY SOONER OR LATER THE, UH, DISCUSSION AROUND THE SOARS, UH, IS ADVANCED. 
          I KNOW THAT WAS, I BELIEVE, A TOP FIVE REQUESTS FROM THE PUBLIC IN TERMS OF GETTING THAT, UH, ACTION TO OCCUR. 
          AND THAT IS SOMETHING I, UH, AGREE WITH. 
          SO, UH, THOSE, THAT CONCLUDES GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          UH, FOR THIS EVENING, UH, WE DID MIX UP THE AGENDA A BIT TO GIVE PATRICK THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE A STAFF UPDATE WHILE WE STILL HAVE, UH, THREE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC IN ITAN IN, UH, EXCUSE ME, FOUR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC IN ATTENDANCE. 
          SO, UM, BEFORE WE GET INTO THAT, UH, IS THERE ANY COMMISSION COMMENTS? AND, UH, IF NOT, WE CAN ALSO MAKE COMMISSION COMMENTS AT THE END. 
          SO, OKAY, GREAT. 
          UH, PATRICK? 
          [STAFF COMMENT]
SURE. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR PETERS. 
          UM, I HAVE SEVERAL UPDATES FOR YOU. 
          UM, STARTING OFF WITH ONE THAT I'VE BEEN VERY INVOLVED WITH IN THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS IS OUR, UM, GK 12 HEAT PUMP WATER HEATER REPLACEMENT PROGRAM, UM, THAT WE'RE DOING WITH PG E. 
          UM, WE'VE ALREADY REPLACED UNITS AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER, THE SENIOR CENTER, THE MARINA, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND WE HAVE SEVERAL OTHER BUILDINGS, UM, THAT ARE GONNA BE SCHEDULED FOR INSTALLATION IN THE COMING WEEKS. 
          UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE SWAPPING OUT SOME OF THOSE GAS WATER HEATERS FOR HEAT PUMP WATER HEATERS, WHICH IS REALLY EXCITING. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S A SMALL STEP, BUT, UH, A NECESSARY STEP. 
          AND, UH, SO FAR ALL THOSE HAVE BEEN ZERO COST TO THE CITY. 
          SO IT'S PROGRAMS THAT, UM, THROUGH PG E FUNDING, UM, THAT HAVE HAD NO FINANCIAL IMPACT TO THE CITY. 
          IT HAS BECOME VERY APPARENT THOUGH, UM, 'CAUSE WE'VE HAD ISSUES, UM, WHERE, YOU KNOW, I, I MENTIONED I WAS INVOLVED IN THIS, OUR PANEL CAPACITY AND HOW MANY BREAKERS WERE ON THERE, AND THE AGE OF THOSE PANELS VERY APPARENT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE HITTING ALL THE LOW HANGING FRUIT AND, AND IT'S GOING TO JUST GONNA GET MORE EXPONENTIALLY EXPENSIVE AS THOSE PANELS NEED TO BE 
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REPLACED AS, UM, YOU KNOW, SERVICES NEED TO BE UPGRADED. 
          IF WE'RE LOOKING AT REPLACEMENT OF, UH, GRASS, UH, GAS PACKAGE, UM, HVIC UNITS WITH HEAT PUMPS, UM, WHERE THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THE HEATING SOURCE IS, IS, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT. 
          SO YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE TRICKY GOING FORWARD WITH IT. 
          UM, WE'RE, WE'RE HAVING TO COME UP WITH SOME, I I THINK THAT THE CONTRACTOR EXPECTED A LOT OF SIMPLE INSTALLS HERE AND, AND WITH THE AGE OF OUR FACILITIES, UM, SOME OF THESE WERE A LOT MORE COMPLEX THAN THEY EXPECTED. 
          SO THAT IS JUST KIND OF A FOOTNOTE FOR, FOR FUTURE PROJECTS THAT, UH, AND, AND WE KNEW THIS WITH ALL THE EV CHARGER, UM, INSTALLATIONS THAT WE'D HAD, THAT WE'VE KIND OF DONE MOST OF THOSE LOW HANGING FRUIT INSTALLATIONS AS WELL. 
          SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE GONNA SEE SIMILAR SITUATIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY, EXCUSE ME, WITH THE COMMUNITY AS THEY'RE REPLACING EQUIPMENT AT THEIR HOMES, UM, THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT SERVICE UPGRADES OR, OR, YOU KNOW, PANEL UPGRADES OR EVEN SPAN PANELS TO HELP, UM, ALLEVIATE THE NEED FOR, FOR REPLACEMENT OF THEIR PANELS. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, OUR FACILITIES ARE KIND OF OLD. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF OLD FACILITIES IN THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. 
          SO I THINK WE'RE FEELING THAT SHARED PAIN. 
          UM, AND JUST, YOU KNOW, HOPING PEOPLE ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE INFLATION REDUCTION ACT INCENTIVES FOR PANEL AND SERVICE, UH, CHANGES THERE BECAUSE THERE ARE INCENTIVES. 
          UM, SO THAT TAKES ME NEXT TO THE LARGER, UM, PROJECT OF ELECTRIFICATION WITH C OR CO. 
          UM, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE, THIS EXPERIENCE IN, IN THE, THE BAG WITH THE WATER PUMP PROJECT IS, IS MAKING US LOOK AT OUR COST ASSUMPTIONS WITH THE OVERALL, THE LARGER ELECTRIFICATION PROJECT WITH CERCO. 
          SO, UM, THEY HAD SCHEDULED SOME, SEVERAL, UM, VISIT SITE VISITS AND WE'RE KIND OF REWORKING THOSE ASSUMPTIONS. 
          SO I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING I CAN REPORT TO THE COMMISSION AT THIS POINT, BUT JUST KNOWING THAT ALL THESE THINGS ARE KIND OF RELATED AND WE'RE, WE'RE LEARNING LESSONS AND TRYING TO MAKE THE BIGGER PROJECT, UM, GO INTO THAT WITH OUR EYES OPEN AS WELL. 
          NEXT ONE IS THE, UH, COMMUNITY CENTER AND SPORTS FIELD, UM, SOLAR PROJECTS. 
          UM, THOSE ARE ALL GRID CONNECTED ONLINE, AND, UH, WE'RE BEGINNING TO SPIN THOSE METERS BACKWARDS AND, UH, GETTING BILLED FOR THOSE KILOWATT HOURS THAT WE'RE GENERATING. 
          SO THAT'S VERY EXCITING. 
          UM, AND I, I THINK I HAD MENTIONED, I DON'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS WHAT, TO THE WHOLE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSIONER OR IF IT WAS JUST WITH CHAIR PETERS, BUT, UM, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER WE INSTALLED CONDUIT, UM, TO FACILITATE EV CHARGING AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER. 
          AND I BELIEVE AT THE TIME I SAID NO, BUT I'VE LOOKED BACK ON THAT, AND YES, THERE WAS CONDUIT INSTALLED THERE. 
          SO WE WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO ADD EV CHARGERS, PROVIDED OUR SERVICE AT OUR PANEL, ALLOWS FOR IT. 
          UM, THAT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, ALL THESE THINGS ARE CONNECTED AND ALL THESE, UM, YOU KNOW, LESSONS WE'RE LEARNING ARE, ARE APPLICABLE HERE. 
          UH, THE FLOATING SOLAR PROJECT IS MAKING GREAT PROJECT PROGRESS. 
          UM, WE'RE EXPECTING TO THE WHITE PINE, OUR, OUR CON OUR CONTRACTOR ON THAT PROJECT TO SUBMIT FOR PERMITS IN THE COMING WEEKS. 
          THEY'VE ALREADY ORDERED, UM, THEIR LONG LEAD TIME EQUIPMENT, AND WE KNOW WE'LL BREAK GROUND BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR AND COM COMPLETE BEFORE THE END OF NEXT YEAR. 
          BUT WE'RE OPTIMISTIC THAT WE WILL BEAT THOSE DEADLINES, UM, SIGNIFICANTLY. 
          UM, I DON'T WANT TO JINX IT, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE THINKING, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION WILL BEGIN, UH, WELL BEFORE THE END OF THIS YEAR. 
          UH, THE PLAN IS TO CANCEL THE JULY CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION MEETING. 
          UM, I AM TAKING A VACATION, AND I WON'T BE BACK UNTIL RIGHT BEFORE THIS MEETING WOULD OUR JULY MEETING WOULD TAKE PLACE. 
          UM, TYPICALLY WE WOULD HAVE THE ELECTION OF THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. 
          UM, BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S, WE CAN PUSH THAT OFF TO AUGUST. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT WE NEED TO HOLD A MEETING JUST FOR THAT TO TAKE PLACE. 
          UM, IN WHICH CASE, UH, THAT BRINGS US TO THE AUGUST CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION MEETING, WHERE WE EXPECT THE, UM, REVISED BLUEPRINT TO BE DISCUSSED BY THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION. 
          WILL, UM, I THINK WE'VE RECEIVED AN INTERNAL DRAFT, WHICH WE'RE REVIEWING, AND WE WILL MAKE THAT AVAILABLE TO THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION AND, AND THE REST OF THE PUBLIC, UM, IN ADVANCE OF THE AUGUST MEETING. 
          SO YOU'LL HAVE SOME TIME TO REVIEW IT AND MAKE NOTES AND, AND PREPARE YOUR COMMENTS IN ADVANCE 
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OF THAT MEETING. 
          THE CLIMATE ACTION MANAGER POSITION IS STILL OPEN. 
          RECRUITMENT CLOSES ON JUNE 17TH, SO STILL TIME TO SPREAD THE WORD AND, UH, LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT THERE'S STILL TIME TO APPLY. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, UM, I GUESS BITTERSWEET NEWS IS, UM, OUR CLERK, SHELLY CAPPEL, UM, SHE'S BEEN OUR, OUR CLERK SINCE THE INAUGURAL MEETING OF OUR CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION IS GOING TO BE, UH, RETIRING EFFECTIVE AUGUST 1ST. 
          SO THIS WILL BE HER LAST CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION MEETING IN ADDITION TO CLERKING FOR, FOR THIS COMMISSION. 
          SHE'S ALSO CLERKED FOR PAC, AND SHE'S BEEN THE FACE OF THE CITY FOR PEOPLE APPLYING FOR ENCROACHMENT PERMITS, UM, FOR QUITE SOME TIME. 
          SHE, UM, YOU KNOW, AS I WAS THE STAFF LIAISON TO THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION, UH, SHELLY'S HELP, GETTING THIS COMMISSION UP AND RUNNING HAS, HAS BEEN VERY MUCH APPRECIATED. 
          I WANT TO THANK SHELLY, UM, FOR HER 27 YEARS OF SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY AND WISH HER THE BEST IN HER RETIREMENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THAT, THAT CONCLUDES MY COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO PATRICK, UM, ON YOUR, ON YOUR ISSUE WITH THE HEAT PUMP WATER HEATERS AND THE CONSTRAINTS ON THE PANELS, I INSTALLED A, UH, AN 80 GALLON, 120 VOLT PURE, UM, HEAT PUMP WATER HEATER BACK IN NOVEMBER. 
          AND WE'RE JUST A HOUSEHOLD OF TWO, BUT IT WORKS GREAT. 
          SO I DIDN'T HAVE TO DO ANY ELECTRICAL, JUST PLUGGED IT INTO THE SOCKET. 
          AND I THINK I GET LIKE ONE HOUR OF CONTINUOUS, YOU KNOW, 120, UH, UH, DEGREE WATER. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE A COMMERCIAL SITUATION WHERE PEOPLE AREN'T TAKEN BACK TO BACK SHOWERS AND STUFF, THAT MIGHT BE MORE THAN ENOUGH FOR YOU. 
          AND NO PANEL UPGRADES AT ALL. 
          JUST A THOUGHT. 
          YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          I, I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, EARLY ON THEY WERE JUST THOSE, YOU KNOW, TWO 40 VOLT KIND OF SYSTEMS, BUT NOW THEY HAVE THE, THE ONE 20 VOLT, AND I THINK THAT'S OPENED THE DOORS FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE. 
          UM, I THINK OURS ARE KIND OF, FOR THOSE FACILITIES I MENTIONED, THEY WERE KIND OF THE COMMERCIAL SYSTEMS. SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE NEEDED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD THAT, THAT HIGHER VOLTAGE SYSTEM FOR THE, THE QUICKER PROVISION. 
          SO I THINK THE TECHNOLOGY'S IMPROVING, AND SO THIS MAY NOT BE AN ISSUE. 
          AND, AND MAYBE THERE BE OTHER TECHNOLOGICAL SOLUTIONS IN THE FUTURE THAT KIND OF PREVENT THAT, UM, WHICH THEY MADE LIKE A, A SMART PANEL FOR LIKE A 800 AMP SERVICE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          BUT, UH, WE'LL SEE. 
          I'M, I'M SURE, SURE THINGS WILL HAPPEN DIFFERENTLY IN THE FUTURE. 
          OKAY. 
          WE, I ALMOST TOOK THE BAIT ON THAT WHOLE DISCUSSION, BUT I WILL NOT, UM, THE NEXT ITEM 
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ON THE AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES. 
          IF ANYONE HAS ANY COMMENTS, PLEASE MAKE THEM NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          THE MINUTES ARE DEEMED APPROVED. 
          THE 
          [PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION]
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION, THAT PRESENTATION ON THE FLOOD RESILIENCE AND SAFETY POLICY FRAMEWORKS. 
          I'LL JUST, UH, THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          UM, WE HAVE OUR CONSULTANT JOINING US. 
          MY NAME IS BRIAN O, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AS HE GETS THE POWERPOINT SET UP. 
          UM, JUST WANTED TO, UH, UH, JUST A NOTE OF GRATITUDE. 
          UH, WE'RE GETTING TO THE TAIL END OF OUR, UH, WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE CCB EXTRAVAGANZA. 
          AND SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF, UH, A LOT OF SOCIAL, UM, CAPITAL AND ENERGY AND A LOT OF GOOD THINKING THAT HAS GONE IN, UM, NOT JUST FROM THIS COMMISSION, BUT, UM, ACROSS THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND SO, AS WE GET TO THE TAIL END OF, UH, OUR GENERAL PLAN POLICY FRAMEWORK, UH, PUBLIC REVIEW, UM, UH, JUST WANTED TO TO SAY THANK YOU, UM, TO THIS GROUP, UM, AND FOR TAKING THIS ONE ON, UM, IN PARTICULAR, UM, ESPECIALLY AS IT RELATES TO CLIMATE ACTION, AS PATRICK NOTED, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A CLEAR MANDATE FOR, UM, ACTION. 
          AND, UH, WE NEED TO DO THAT IN THE CONTEXT OF FLOOD RESILIENCE AND THE FUTURE IMPACTS OF SEA LEVEL RISE AND A CHANGING, UM, UH, ENVIRONMENT THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE FACING OVER THIS NEXT GENERAL PLAN, UM, TIMELINE. 
          UM, SO WITH THAT, THANK YOU AND I WILL TURN IT OVER TO OUR LEAD, UM, CONSULTANT, RON WHITMORE. 
          THANK YOU, BRIAN, AND GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY, AND THANKS AGAIN FOR GIVING US ADDITIONAL TIME, UH, DURING A SECOND MEETING TO, UM, TALK WITH YOU ABOUT 
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THE VARIOUS, UH, PUBLIC DRAFT POLICY FRAMEWORKS THAT RELATE TO YOUR PURVIEW RELATED TO CLIMATE, UM, ACTION AND, UH, ADAPTATION. 
          UM, I'M GONNA DO A JUST A FEW INTRODUCTORY SLIDES SHORTER THAN LAST TIME, SINCE YOU'VE HEARD SOME OF THIS BEFORE. 
          AND THEN I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO DELLA FROM RINCON, WHO'S GONNA GIVE YOU A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE SAFETY FRAMEWORK, AND THEN ONTO SEBASTIAN FROM SHERWOOD ENGINEERING, WHO WILL TALK YOU THROUGH THE FLOOD RESILIENCE FRAMEWORK. 
          UM, TOGETHER, THEY COVER, FOR THE MOST PART, UH, MUCH OF THE CLIMATE ADAPTATION GOALS AND POLICIES THAT ARE IN THE VARIOUS FRAMEWORKS. 
          I I THINK WE COVERED THIS LAST TIME, BUT JUST FOR, UH, FOLKS WHO MAY NOT HAVE BEEN HERE OR THE GENERAL PUBLIC, UM, THESE POLICY FRAMEWORKS. 
          UM, OUR INITIAL STEP DESIGNED TO GET DOWN ON PAPER FOR OUR DISCUSSION, UM, POLICY DIRECTION, ESTABLISH SOME GOALS, UH, BE CLEAR ABOUT SOME POLICY DIRECTION TO BEGIN IDENTIFYING ACTIONS TO IMPLEMENT THOSE POLICIES. 
          UM, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, GOALS ARE EXPRESSIONS OF FUTURE PREFERRED OUTCOMES. 
          THEY'RE NOT OBJECTIVES, UM, IN THE SENSE OF QUANTIFIABLE TIME SENSITIVE OBJECTIVES, ALTHOUGH THE GENERAL PLAN WHEN WRITTEN WILL INCLUDE INDICATORS AND METRICS. 
          AND THEN POLICIES ARE DIFFERENT. 
          THEY USUALLY START WITH A VERB, AND THEY ARE DESIGNED TO CLEARLY, UH, EXPRESS, UH, INTENT OR DIRECTION, UM, AND SHOULD BE DESIGNED TO SPECIFICALLY INFORM FUTURE COUNTY POLICY MAKER DECISIONS. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, ACTIONS ARE A VARIETY OF THINGS. 
          COULD BE ACTIVITIES, PROCEDURES, PROGRAMS, OR PROJECTS THAT ARE DESIGNED TO IMPLEMENT THOSE POLICIES AND ACHIEVE THOSE GOALS. 
          UM, AS I THINK WE DISCUSSED LAST TIME, WE KNOW THESE FRAMEWORKS ARE A BIT DRY, NOT A LOT OF TEXTS, NOT MANY VISUALS IN MANY CASES. 
          UM, THESE ARE AN INTERIM STEP. 
          THEY SHOULD NOT BE CONFUSED WITH INITIAL DRAFTS. 
          THE GENERAL, GENERAL PLAN, WE ARE VERY MUCH TRYING TO FOCUS ON GETTING THE LANGUAGE RIGHT, MAKING SURE THE FOUNDATIONS ARE IN PLACE IN PREPARATION FOR PREPARING MUCH MORE ROBUST, UH, GENERAL PLAN DRAFTS. 
          I'M NOT GONNA, I GUESS RON JUST, BUT ARE YOU GONNA GO INTO THE PROCESS A LITTLE BIT OF LIKE THE FRAMEWORKS? AND THEN YOU MENTIONED LIKE THE DRAFT ELEMENTS ARE GONNA COME BACK BEFORE THE COMMISSION IS, I, I CAN DO THAT. 
          I, OKAY. 
          I BELIEVE I COVERED THAT LAST TIME. 
          YEAH, YEAH, I JUST TIME ON THAT. 
          YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. 
          OH, SURE. 
          UM, UH, YEAH, LET ME, YEAH, I'LL SAY, I'LL SAY A BIT MORE ABOUT THAT ON THIS SLIDE, AND THEN I AM GONNA HAVE ANOTHER SLIDE SPECIFICALLY NOTING WHAT, HOW THE GENERAL PLAN DRAFTS WILL BE DIFFERENT. 
          UM, BUT IF I DON'T ANSWER ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS, UH, THROUGH THAT, DON'T HESITATE TO STOP AND, AND ASK. 
          UM, SO YES, THE, THERE'S, I DIDN'T HAVE, I DIDN'T INCLUDE THE SLIDE, WHICH I HAD LAST TIME, WHICH SHOWED THE ENTIRE GENERAL PLAN PROCESS, WHICH STARTED WITH EXISTING CONDITIONS REPORT, WHICH YOU SEE ON THE LEFT HAND SLIDE OF THE ARROW HERE. 
          UM, REALLY TRYING TO BE CLEAR ABOUT, UM, WHAT WE UNDERSTAND ABOUT CONDITIONS OF THE CITY RELATIVE TO TOPICS THAT THE GENERAL PLAN WILL ADDRESS. 
          UM, WE ALSO WENT THROUGH EXTENSIVE, EXTENSIVE COMMUNITY INPUT EARLY ON, AND OUT OF THAT DEVELOPED VISION PILLARS AND GUIDING PRINCIPLES, WHICH WE VERY MUCH UNDERSTAND TO BE THE FOUNDATIONAL, UM, UH, UH, COMPONENTS OF THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          EVERYTHING THE GENERAL PLAN DOES ULTIMATELY SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THOSE. 
          UM, AND THEN, UH, UH, QUITE A BIT OF EFFORT WAS PUT INTO CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN CITY STAFF FROM MANY DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, UH, OR EXTENSIVE CONSULTANT TEAM, WHICH HAS EXPERTISE ACROSS, ACROSS A BROAD RANGE OF TOPICS AND THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          AND ITS WORKING GROUPS, WHICH WERE DIVIDED BY TOPIC, SPENT MANY MONTHS DISCUSSING STRATEGIES, HOW BEST TO ACHIEVE THE VISION RELATIVE TO EXISTING CONDITIONS. 
          AND BASED ON THAT, WE BEGAN PUTTING DOWN ON PAPER INITIAL GOALS AND POLICIES. 
          THOSE THEN WENT THROUGH EXTENSIVE CITY REVIEW, AND THEN REVISIONS WERE MADE TO PREPARE THE PUBLIC DRAFTS THAT ARE BEFORE THE PUBLIC FOR REVIEW. 
          RIGHT NOW, AS BRIAN MENTIONED, WE'RE AT THE TAIL END OF OUR, UH, SERIES OF MEETINGS WITH I THINK NEARLY ALL OF THE COMMISSIONS, COMMITTEES, AND BOARDS ACROSS THE CITY. 
          WE'VE GOTTEN FANTASTIC FEEDBACK, UM, BOTH DURING THE MEETINGS AND IN WRITTEN FORM FROM THESE COMMISSIONS, WHICH IS NOT SURPRISING AND WAS OUR EXPECTATIONS SINCE. 
          THESE ARE FOLKS WHO, UM, ARE, ARE REALLY TECHNICAL EXPERTS AND, AND WITHIN THEIR PURVIEW, UM, AND HAVE PROVIDED INCREDIBLY HELPFUL, UM, COMMENT. 
          AND IT'S REALLY GONNA STRENGTHEN THE NEXT STEP. 
          UM, AND SO WE'RE 
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NOW, UM, ALSO THIS NEXT WEEK MEETING WITH THE GPAC TO COMPLETE THEIR REVIEW OF ALL THE FRAMEWORKS. 
          AND THEN PLANNING COMMISSION IS ALSO IN THE MIDDLE OF A SERIES OF MEETINGS THAT, UM, I THINK CONCLUDES THE 25TH OF THIS MONTH, WHERE THEY'VE CREATED SOME AD HOC GROUPS THAT ARE ALSO LOOKING VERY CLOSELY AT ALL THE FRAMEWORKS. 
          SO LOTS OF EYES HAVE BEEN ON THESE, AND THEN ALL THAT'S GONNA BE BROUGHT TOGETHER, WE'RE GONNA BRING TO CITY COUNCIL, UM, LATE SUMMER OR EARLY FALL, UM, A SUMMARY OF WHAT WE PLAN ON REVISING WITH THE POLICIES AND MAKING SURE WE'RE ON THE RIGHT DIRECTION, GETTING THEIR CONFIRMATION WITH THE POLICY DIRECTION WE'LL BE HEADING TO WITH THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          AND SO TO YOUR QUESTION, WHAT COMES NEXT THEN, UM, IS THESE POLICY FRAMEWORKS WILL ULTIMATELY BECOME THE FOUNDATION FOR THE ADMIN DRAFT, BUT THERE'S A STEP THAT'S COMING. 
          IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO BETWEEN THOSE TWO. 
          AND IT'S OUR LAND USE DISCUSSION. 
          WE'RE WRAPPING UP THE LAND USE FRAMEWORK, WHICH INCLUDES LAND USE DESIGNATIONS, THE LAND USE MAP, AND I THINK AT THIS POINT IT'S THREE DIFFERENT CHAPTERS OF GOALS AND POLICIES FOCUSED ON THE CITY'S EVOLUTION, THE 15 MINUTE C CITY AND COMMUNITY DESIGN AND CHARACTER. 
          SO THAT'S COMING ALSO FOR PUBLIC REVIEW, UM, STARTING LATER THIS SUMMER AND INTO THE EARLY FALL. 
          ALL THAT THEN WILL BE BROUGHT TOGETHER AFTER THE COUNCIL SELECTS THE PREFERRED LAND USE MAP INTO THE ADMINISTRATIVE DRAFT GENERAL PLAN THAT AGAIN, UH, WELL THAT'LL, THE PUBLIC DRAFT THEN WILL BE DEVELOPED ULTIMATELY AFTER CITY REVIEW. 
          AND THE COMMISSIONS, INCLUDING THE CAC WILL AGAIN HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE PUBLIC DRAFT GENERAL PLAN BEFORE, UH, IT'S PREPARED FOR FINAL ADOPTION. 
          THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT TOPICS THAT THESE FRAMEWORKS COVERED. 
          UM, WE'VE ASKED, BEEN ASKED THE QUESTION A LOT, WHETHER THE GENERAL PLAN WILL BE ORGANIZED THE SAME WAY, AND THE ANSWER'S REALLY NO. 
          WHAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR, AND YOU'LL REALLY, YOU SEE IT IN THE PRESENTATIONS FROM OUR, OUR TECHNICAL TEAM, THERE'S TREMENDOUS BENEFITS TO ALLOWING OUR TECHNICAL TEAM AND THEIR CORRESPONDING COLLEAGUES WITHIN CITY STAFF TO KIND OF STAY IN THEIR TECHNICAL LANE OF EXPERTISE AND REALLY FOCUS ON THAT AND DEVELOPING GOALS AND POLICIES. 
          AND SO WE'VE DONE THAT LARGELY SO FAR, WHICH IS HOW WE ENDED UP ORGANIZING THE POLICY FRAMEWORKS THE WAY WE DID AS REPRESENTED ON THIS SLIDE. 
          UM, I SHOULD NOTE THAT ONE OF THE FRAMEWORKS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHERS. 
          THE GOVERNANCE AND IMPLEMENTATION FRAMEWORK, UM, IS THE HOME TO, UH, IT REALLY DESCRIBES HOW THE GENERAL PLAN WILL BE IMPLEMENTED. 
          A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY THERE'S NOT MORE ABOUT SPECIFIC STEPS TO IMPLEMENTATION, WHY ACTIONS DON'T I IDENTIFY A CLEAR IMPLEMENTER OR A TIMEFRAME? SOME OF THAT IS SPOKEN TO IN, IN THE GOVERNANCE AND IMPLEMENTATION FRAMEWORK. 
          THE GENERAL PLAN WILL ALSO INCLUDE MUCH MORE OF THAT DETAIL, WHICH IS A GOOD SEGUE TO MY SLIDE ABOUT HOW THE GENERAL PLAN WILL BE DIFFERENT. 
          UM, WE KNOW THAT THESE ARE ALL KIND OF VERY, UM, UH, SILOED IN THEIR APPROACH. 
          UM, THERE'S, THEY'RE NOT INTEGRATED. 
          WE DIDN'T DO THAT. 
          WE DIDN'T TAKE THE TIME TO DO THAT AT THIS STAGE. 
          BUT REST ASSURED, THE GENERAL PLAN WILL BE VERY DIFFERENT. 
          THERE'LL BE A FRONT END, CONCISE, VERY VISUAL, VERY HOLISTIC, UM, INTRODUCTION OF HOW ALL THE VARIOUS ELEMENTS OF THE GENERAL PLAN WORK IN CONJUNCTION TO ACHIEVE THE COMMUNITY'S VISION. 
          IT'LL VERY LIKELY BE ORGANIZED DIFFERENTLY. 
          UM, WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE A COMBINATION OF THEMATIC ORGANIZATION AND ELEMENT OR TOPIC BASED ORGANIZATION WITH THE GOAL IN MIND OF MAKING IT AS ACCESSIBLE AS POSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE SO THAT WHEN THEY ARE INTERESTED IN A PARTICULAR TOPIC OR GEOGRAPHY, THERE'S EASY WAYS FOR THEM TO QUICKLY FIND ALL OF THE RELATED GOALS, POLICIES, AND ACTIONS, UM, UH, CONNECTED TO THEIR INTEREST. 
          PART OF THE WAY WE'LL DO THAT IS THROUGH AN E PLAN OR DIGITAL GENERAL PLAN. 
          IF YOU'D LIKE AN EXAMPLE OF A PLAN THAT ALLOWS MANY DIFFERENT WAYS IN WHICH TO ACCESS THE PLAN, I SUGGEST YOU LOOK AT THE SOUTH SAN FRANCISCO PLAN, WHICH ALLOWS YOU TO ENTER THE, UH, EXPLORE YOUR INTEREST THROUGH AN ELEMENT OR THROUGH A TOPIC LIKE CLIMATE OR EQUITY. 
          UM, AND REALLY IS A NEAT WAY TO, UM, HELP PEOPLE SEE ALL THE ASPECTS OF THE GENERAL PLAN THAT RELATE TO A PARTICULAR INTEREST. 
          AND THEN ALSO THE GENERAL PLAN WILL HAVE AN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, A ROBUST ACTION MATRIX THAT BY ACTION IDENTIFIES THE LEAD IMPLEMENTER, THE PRIORITY, THE TIMEFRAME, VARIOUS RULES WILL BE CLEARLY IDENTIFIED IN GENERAL PLAN IMPLEMENTATION. 
          AND THEN ALONG WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, WE'LL ALSO TRACK 
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PROGRESS WITH, UM, PERFORMANCE METRICS, UM, WHICH WILL CORRESPOND WITH ASPECTS OF THE VISION AND THE GOALS, WHICH WILL BE A WAY TO HELP THE CITY MONITOR HOW WELL IT'S ACHIEVING ITS GOALS OVER TIME. 
          AND THE GOVERNANCE IMPLEMENTATION FRAMEWORK OUTLINES SOME OF THE WAYS IN WHICH THE, THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN AND THE INDICATORS WILL BE USED TO ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, UM, HELP INFORM CITY COUNCIL GOAL AND PRIORITY SETTING AS WELL AS BUDGETING. 
          UM, I'LL PAUSE THERE. 
          DID I ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE GENERAL PLAN PROCESS? YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, JUST BRIEFLY BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO DELLA, UM, THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT WAYS TO PROVIDE INPUT. 
          THESE MEETINGS HAVE BEEN FA FANTASTIC, BUT THERE'S ALSO OTHER MEANS, I BELIEVE YOU'VE ALL RECEIVED A FRAMEWORK REVIEW FORM. 
          AND SO IF YOU HAVE INDIVIDUALLY COMMENTS, UM, OTHER THAN THOSE YOU SHARE VERBALLY DURING CAC MEETINGS, WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO SUBMIT THEM TO PATRICK OR CHRISTINA ON THE FORM THAT YOU'VE BEEN PROVIDED. 
          UM, WE'VE BEEN, AS RYAN NOTED, UM, VISITING ALL THE CCBS. 
          WE ALSO HAD A, A, A GREAT PLAN FEST ON MAY 11TH. 
          LOTS OF PEOPLE CAME ON A BEAUTIFUL DAY TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          GOT LOTS OF GREAT COMMENTS ON THE GOALS AND POLICIES, UH, PRESENTED IN THE FRAMEWORKS. 
          AND AS I NOTED, PLANNING COMMISSION AND GPAC HAVE BEEN GOOD ON WORKING ON THESE IN AN ONGOING BASIS. 
          AND IN THE PROCESS OF WRAPPING UP THEIR REVIEW AND COMMENT, WE ARE LOOKING TO GET ALL COMMENTS IN BY THE END OF THIS MONTH. 
          SO IF YOU DO HAVE FORMS OUT THERE THAT YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON, PLEASE PLAN TO SUBMIT THEM BEFORE THE END OF JUNE. 
          UM, YOU CAN ALSO, UM, ACCESS THE INFORMATION ONLINE AND ALSO USE THE, THERE'S VIDEOS NOW OF ALL THESE PRESENTATIONS WE'VE BEEN MAKING, AND THERE'S ALSO AN ONLINE, UM, FORM YOU CAN USE TO PROVIDE GOAL AND POLICY SPECIFIC FEEDBACK OR MORE GENERAL FEEDBACK ON THE POLICY FRAMEWORKS. 
          I'LL, UM, I'LL PAUSE THERE TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT, I HAD ONE QUESTION GOING BACK, UH, THREE SLIDES, SO THE ONE WITH THE DATES ON IT. 
          SURE. 
          UH, SO THIS WAS A LITTLE UNCLEAR. 
          I, I HAD MAYBE HEARD THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS PLANNING ON REVIEWING ALL OF THE FRAMEWORKS. 
          I DIDN'T SEE THE SAFETY FRAMEWORK LISTED LAST TIME. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S OMISSION AND THAT THEY ARE PLANNING ON REVIEWING THE SAFETY ELEMENT, OR IF IN FACT THEY ARE NOT. 
          AND THIS BODY IS THE ONLY BODY TO PROVIDE CCB INPUT ON THAT. 
          SO THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 
          AND THERE'S JUST A SLIGHT DISTINCTION. 
          IT IS TRUE TO SAY THAT THEY HAVE OR WILL RECEIVE PRESENTATIONS ON ALL THE FRAMEWORKS. 
          AND SO THEY'VE BEEN GIVEN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ALL OF THEM ON ALL OF THEM. 
          WHAT THEY'VE DONE IN ADDITION IS THEY FORMED AD HOCS THAT HAVE TAKEN, UM, UH, HAVE DONE A VERY CLOSE REVIEW OF A SMALLER HANDFUL. 
          I GUESS IT'S NOT REALLY SMALL, IT'S THE, IT'S THE, IT'S THE LIST OF, UM, FRAMEWORKS LISTED ON THE SCREEN HERE. 
          THESE ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN ASSIGNED TO THEIR AD HOC WORKING GROUPS AND THAT THEY'VE BEEN PRODUCING WRITTEN, UH, COMMENTS ON. 
          BUT SAFETY WAS PRESENTED TO THEM. 
          JUST WAIT, NOT THE OTHER NIGHT. 
          UM, I, IT'S BEEN SO IN MEETINGS, I APOLOGIZE. 
          OKAY. 
          THEY RECEIVED THE PRESENTATION THAT, THAT'S ANSWER QUESTION. 
          YES, THEY CERTAINLY DO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I, IF NOT, I WILL PASS THE MIC TO DELLA, WHO'S ALSO JOINING US ON ZOOM TONIGHT. 
          SHE'LL GIVE YOU A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE SAFETY FRAMEWORK AND THEN WE'LL TURN IT TO SEBASTIAN. 
          ALTHOUGH ONE, ONE QUESTION, UH, CHAIR, WOULD YOU, UH, PREFER WE COMPLETE BOTH PRESENTATIONS THEN STOP FOR CLARIFYING QUESTIONS? OR WOULD YOU PREFER WE PAUSE BETWEEN THE TWO PRESENTATIONS? UM, I THINK WE CAN HAVE A BIT OF DISCUSSION ON THIS. 
          EVERYONE. 
          UH, AT THE LAST MEETING, I THINK WE DID IT ONE WAY AND THEN SHIFTED TO THE OTHER WAY, WHICH WAS SIGNIFICANTLY MORE EFFICIENT FOR EVERYONE. 
          UH, THAT SECOND WAY WAS SORT OF A, NOT LINE BY LINE REVIEW, BUT A POLICY BY POLICY REVIEW AND DISCUSSION BEFORE MOVING ON. 
          UM, AND SO IN THAT CONTEXT, IF THE FIRST PRESENTATION HAS SORT OF A POLICY BY POLICY APPROACH OR AT LEAST SECTION BY SECTION APPROACH, THAT WOULD BE ONE WAY TO ADVANCE IT. 
          OR WE COULD RECEIVE THE PRESENTATION AND THEN DO A SORT OF POLICY BY POLICY REVIEW BEFORE MOVING ON, OR WE COULD RECEIVE BOTH. 
          MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE IS TO AT LEAST HAVE TWO DISTINCT PRESENTATIONS, UH, AND POSSIBLY HAVE EVERYONE ADVANCE WHILE THE PRESENTATION IS ONGOING. 
          BUT IS THAT IS 
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OKAY, IS IS THAT, IS THAT CLEAR? JUST SORT OF LIKE GO THROUGH A COUPLE SLIDES, WE'LL GO THROUGH THE ACTUAL POLICIES IN THE DOCUMENT, AND THEN AFTER THE PRESENTATION DISCUSSION IS DONE, AND THEN WE MOVE ON TO THE FLOOD DISCUSSION. 
          SO, UM, SO JUST TO CLARIFY, WOULD YOU LIKE DE TO PAUSE AFTER PRESENTING EACH GOAL AND THE ASSOCIATED POLICIES, OR WOULD YOU LIKE ? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE DID. 
          WE DID SORT OF A GOAL BY GOAL DISCUSSION. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE DID. 
          AND THAT'S I THINK WHAT WE'RE ALL IN CONCURRENCE ON. 
          OKAY. 
          MM-HMM, , THAT SOUNDS GOOD. 
          UM, WHATEVER BEST SUPPORTS THE COMMISSION'S, UH, DISCUSSION. 
          SO, UM, SO YEAH, PLEASE, DELLA, YOU, SHE HAS SOME INTRODUCTORY SLIDES AND THEN WE'LL GET INTO THE GOALS OF POLICIES. 
          AND I THINK SOME OF THE GOAL, LIKE THERE'S IN SOME CASES WHERE THERE'S MORE THAN ONE GOAL AREA PER SLIDE, BUT SHE'LL PRESENT A SLIDE AND THEN PAUSE FOR QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, SO A SAFETY POLICY FRAMEWORK IS REALLY DESIGNED TO WORK ALONGSIDE OTHER RELATED PLANS THAT PETALUMA HAS, LIKE THE HAZARD MEDICATION PLAN TO REDUCE RISKS FROM NATURAL AND MANMADE HAZARDS. 
          AND IT IS ALIGNED WITH SEVERAL REGIONAL AND STATE REQUIREMENTS AS WELL. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO, AS YOU KNOW, PETALUMA FACES A VARIETY OF BOTH NATURAL AND MAN MANMADE HAZARDS, AND MANY OF THOSE ARE EXPECTED TO WORSEN WITH CLIMATE CHANGE. 
          UH, SEISMIC ACTIVITY IS ALWAYS A SIGNIFICANT RISK IN THE REGION. 
          HEAVY RAIN EVENTS CAN LEAD TO MORE FLOODING, PARTICULARLY IN LOCALIZED AREAS LIKE INDUSTRIAL AVENUE AND THE PAYAN NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH HISTORICALLY HAVE FLOODING. 
          WE ALSO HAVE HIGH FIRE HAZARD SEVERITY ZONES AROUND THE CITY, ESPECIALLY AROUND THE, UH, THE WWE, THE WILDLAND URBAN INTERFACE, AND THE DOWNTOWN AND SOUTHWEST AREAS. 
          THE CITY ARE SUSCEPTIBLE TO MULTIPLE HAZARDS, INCLUDING FLOODING, SEA LEVEL RISE, SEISMIC ACTIVITY, AND WILDFIRE. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          THERE ARE 20 ACTIVE HAZARDOUS MATERIAL SITES IN THE CITY, MOST CONCENTRATED IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. 
          UH, MANY OF THESE ARE LEAKING UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANK CLEANUP SITES. 
          AND THERE IS A PREVIOUS SUPERFUND SITE ALONG HIGHWAY ONE 16 NEAR SOUTH MCDOWELL, WHICH WAS REMOVED FROM THE SUPERFUND LIST BY THE A PA FOLLOWING ITS CLEANUP. 
          THIS, UH, THIS FORMER SUPERFUND SITE WAS FORMALLY OCCUPIED BY SOLAR OPTICS USA AND HAS GROUNDWATER CONTAMINANTS WITH VOLATILE ORGANIC COMPOUNDS AND SALTS. 
          BUT AS I SAID, IT HAS BEEN CLEAN. 
          TAKING A CLOSER LOOK AT WILDFIRE, PETALUMA IS PRETTY MUCH ENTIRELY SURROUNDED BY AREAS IN THE MODERATE OR HIGH FIRE HAZARD DISPARITY ZONES. 
          AND MANY AREAS IN THE WILDLAND URBAN INTERFACE WITHIN THE CITY ARE ALSO, UH, RESIDENTIAL AREAS THAT ARE NEAR FIRE PRONE VEGETATION. 
          SO AS OF THE LATEST CAL FIRE MAP UPDATE, THEY ARE CONSIDERED A VERY HIGH FIRE RISK. 
          ALSO, NOT SURPRISINGLY, PETALUMA IS IN AN AREA OF SEISMIC RISK. 
          UH, THE EASTERN AND SOUTHEASTERN PORTIONS OF THE CITY WOULD BE MOST IMPACTED BY GROUND SHAKING IF THERE WERE A SEVERE EARTHQUAKE OR WHEN THERE IS A SEVERE EARTHQUAKE. 
          AND MOST OF PETALUMA IS MODERATELY SUSCEPTIBLE TO THE LANDSLIDES AND THE HILLS IN THE NORTH AND SOUTHEAST HAVE HISTORICALLY HAD THE MOST CLEAN SELECT ISSUES. 
          CLIMATE CHANGE CHANGING CLIMATE PATTERNS ARE GOING TO BRING LARGER FLUCTUATIONS OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL DECADES. 
          SO WARMER, DRIER SUMMERS HIGH WIND EVENTS INCREASED VEGETATION GROWTH THAT CAN CREATE CONDITIONS TO INCREASE THE RISK OF WILDFIRES. 
          UH, EXTREME HEAT DAYS ARE EXPECTED TO INCREASE IN THE CITY, AND ALONG WITH THOSE CHANGING PRECIPITATION PATTERNS, THAT HEAT CAN CREATE PERIODS OF ABNORMALLY DRY WEATHER LEADING TO MORE DROUGHT. 
          THERE'S EXPECTED TO BE LARGE FLUCTUATIONS IN THE PRECIPITATION PATTERNS WITH, UH, VERY WET EARS AND VERY DRY EARS. 
          SO BOOM, TO BUST RAINFALL PATTERNS THAT CAN ALSO MAKE WILDFIRES MORE LIKELY AND INCREASE THE OCCURRENCE OF SO-CALLED ATMOSPHERIC RIVERS THAT BRING UP TO 50% THE AREAS RAINFALL WITHIN A FEW DAYS, AND RISING SEA LEVELS WILL LEAD TO A HIGHER GROUNDWATER TABLE. 
          AND INCREASED STORMWATER FLOODING, UH, WILL HAPPEN AS THE BAY LEVELS IMPEDE STORMWATER RUN OFF DRAINAGE. 
          UM, AS FAR AS EMERGENCY RESPONSE, THE PETALUMA FIRE DEPARTMENT SERVES 184 SQUARE MILES AND 70,000 RESIDENTS, INCLUDING PARTS OF SOUTHERN SONOMA AND MARIN COUNTIES. 
          AND THE CITY HAS THREE FIRE STATIONS, TWO VOLUNTEER 
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STATIONS, AND OFFERS RESOURCES LIKE WE ABATEMENT AND WILDFIRE DISASTER LOANS. 
          THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ALSO OPERATES TWO STATIONS, THE MAIN DEPARTMENT, AND THEN AN ANNEX SUBSTATION AT THE PETAL HOSPITAL. 
          UH, THESE FRAMEWORKS WERE DEVELOPED IN LINE WITH THE VISION AND GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT RON MENTIONED EARLIER. 
          SO TO ACHIEVE CARBON NEUTRALITY BY 2030 AND EQUITABLY, FOSTER A SUSTAINABLE AND RESILIENT COMMUNITY, ENSURE THE HEALTH AND WELLNESS OF ALL RESIDENTS AND ENSURE INFRASTRUCTURE SUPPORTS INFO DEVELOPMENT AND ADDRESSES THE IMPACTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE. 
          AND THE SAFETY FRAMEWORK ALSO SUPPORTS THE PILLARS OF CLIMATE ACTION, RESILIENCE AND SUSTAINABILITY AND EQUITY JUSTICE AND DEMOGRAPHIC CHANGES. 
          OKAY, NOW THE MEAT OF IT. 
          SO MOVING ON TO THE GOALS AND POLICIES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I'M SORRY, CAN I PROVIDE A COUPLE COMMENTS JUST ON THE FOUNDATIONS BEFORE WE GET INTO THE GOALS? UM, SO THE, THE FIRST COMMENT WAS ON THE HAZARDS. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT MENTIONS WILDFIRE HAZARDS, AND THEN ON PAGE SIX OF THE FRAMEWORK, IT MENTIONS WILDFIRE SMOKE. 
          AND SO MY, UH, RECOMMENDATION, AND HOPEFULLY THE REST OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS, UH, ARE IN CONCURRENCE OF THIS, IS TO ELEVATE, UH, THAT, UH, AS A HAZARD IN AND OF ITSELF, UH, POOR AIR QUALITY AS A HAZARD. 
          AND SO THE REASON I BRING THAT UP IS TWOFOLD. 
          NUMBER ONE, WHILE WILDFIRE SMOKE IS MENTIONED AS A HAZARD, I DID NOT SEE ANY GOALS OR ACTIONS SPECIFIC TO MITIGATING WILDFIRE SMOKE. 
          THE REASON THAT'S IMPORTANT IS THAT THAT IS PROBABLY THE HIGHEST AMOUNT OF DEATHS THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED IN OUR REGION IS FROM WILDFIRE SMOKE. 
          THIS WAS JUST RECENTLY REPORTED OVER 50,000 PEOPLE DIED OVER THE LAST DECADE FROM WILDFIRE SMOKE. 
          AND THAT'S NOT, UM, INDIRECT IMPACTS, THAT'S DIRECT DEATHS FROM WILDFIRE SMOKE. 
          AND SO WE ALL REMEMBER THOSE SMOKE DAYS, RIGHT? AND SO IT IS A KNOWN HAZARD, BUT IT'S NOT SHOWING UP AS A GOAL OR POLICY PRIORITY. 
          AND SO MY APPROACH WOULD BE TO ELEVATE POOR AIR QUALITY AS A HAZARD. 
          THE SECOND REASON I'M BRINGING THAT UP IS POOR AIR QUALITY IS NOT ONLY WILDFIRE SMOKE, THERE'S ALSO ALL THE OTHER TYPES OF AIR QUALITY HAZARDS. 
          YOU GET THIS INTO THIS A LITTLE BIT WITH, UM, SOME OF THE HAZARDOUS WASTE RISKS. 
          BUT WITH ALL OF THE ELECTRIC CARS DRIVING AROUND THE BATTERY PLANTS, THAT POSES A DIFFERENT KIND OF AIR QUALITY RISK THAN OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR SAFETY PERSONNEL HAS EXPERIENCED PREVIOUSLY. 
          YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENT CHEMISTRIES OF THE DIFFERENT BATTERY TECHNOLOGIES, HOW DO YOU PUT OUT THOSE FIRES, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. 
          SO THAT'S NOT ONLY WILDFIRE SMOKE, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, NEW TECHNOLOGY, SMOKE RISK. 
          UH, AND THEN IN ADDITION, UH, TO OUTDOOR AIR QUALITY, WE ALSO HAVE, UH, HEIGHTENED INDOOR AIR QUALITY RISKS. 
          AND SO AGAIN, JUST TO SUMMARIZE, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO ELEVATE A TOPIC OF POOR AIR QUALITY AS A HAZARD, AND THEN HAVE SPECIFIC GOALS RELATED TO MITIGATING POOR OUTDOOR AIR QUALITY AND POOR INDOOR AIR QUALITY. 
          I COULD GO INTO SOME OF THOSE ACTIONS AND ALL OF THAT, BUT, UH, I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT ENOUGH, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE, AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE IF I DIDN'T SEE THIS IN THE GOALS, BUT I DIDN'T SEE VERY MUCH RELATED TO AIR QUALITY AT ALL. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S THE, THE FIRST COM MACRO COMMENT I HAVE ON THE FRAMEWORK DOCUMENT. 
          THE SECOND ONE, I THINK IT'S TWO SLIDES BACK BEFORE THE GOALS, YEAH, THE SERVICES. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE SAFE TEAM, WHICH HAS DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND ONE OF THE MOST AT RISK POPULATIONS WITH CLIMATE CHANGE IS OUR UNHOUSED POPULATION. 
          YOU'RE SEEING THIS RIGHT NOW WITH ALL THE DEATHS IN ARIZONA FROM EXTREME HEAT. 
          YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE DYING ON THE STREETS, AND THAT'S PRIMARILY THE SAFE TEAM WOULD BE THE FIRST LINE OF DEFENSE AROUND THAT. 
          AND SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE IN OUR PLANNING AND IN OUR THINKING OF SERVICES, WE'RE THINKING BEYOND POLICE AND FIRE. 
          AND I KNOW INTERNALLY THAT'S HOW YOU GUYS ARE THINKING, BUT AS THE DOCUMENT READS, UH, THAT GROUP IS NOT MENTIONED SIMILARLY, COOL. 
          PETALUMA, I KNOW, IS DOING VARIOUS EMERGENCY RELATED EVACUATION WORK AND SETTING UP NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO, UH, IF THESE NON-CITY STAFF GROUPS, WHICH ARE KEY TO OUR CURRENT EFFORTS ARE NOT INCLUDED IN OUR FRAMEWORK, THEN WE MIGHT BE MISSING OPPORTUNITIES TO HAVE POLICIES RELATED TO THEM. 
          AND 
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SO THAT IS, UH, MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO ELEVATE SOME OF THE, UH, NON-CITY STAFF, UH, EMERGENCY SERVICE PROVIDER GROUPS, UH, IN THE DRAFTING OF THE, THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS AND ELEMENTS. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS. 
          I BELIEVE WE DO MENTION THE SAFE TEAM UNDER ONE OF THE POLICIES, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, WE COULD, UH, WE COULD EMPHASIZE THAT MORE. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          SO AS REQUESTED, WE'LL GO THROUGH EACH  COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          SHR, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT PRIOR TO GOING TO THE GOALS? UM, UH, JUST LOOKING AT THE, UM, THE, THE SAFETY GOALS, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU BROUGHT UP WAS THE, UM, LOCATIONS. 
          WE HAVE HAZARDOUS MATERIALS OR CHEMICALS IN SOIL, BASICALLY FROM VARIOUS SITES, MOSTLY DOWNTOWN. 
          AND YOU DID MENTION THAT, AND I'VE SEEN THAT MENTIONED OTHER TIMES, OTHER PLACES, BUT WE DON'T HAVE, UM, I HAVEN'T SEEN AS YET A PLAN FOR DEALING WITH IT OR HOW TO CONVERT IT OR HOW TO DECONTAMINATE OR HOW TO REUSE THOSE SITES. 
          UH, WE HAVE ONE, UH, A CRITICAL ONE RIGHT ON D STREET, RIGHT AT PETA BOULEVARD THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR YEARS, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 35 YEARS. 
          UH, CHAINING FENCE AROUND IT. 
          AND, UM, UH, SO IF I DIDN'T SEE ANY PLAN TO ACTUALLY SEEK OUT, UM, UH, CHANGING THOSE SITES INTO MORE USEFUL SITES OF SOMEHOW EITHER DECONTAMINATION OR MORE INVESTIGATION TO, TO SHOW THAT IT'S ALREADY NATURALLY DECONTAMINATED. 
          SO I WAS HOPING, UM, IS THERE A SEC? DID I MISS IT? IS THERE SOME SECTION IN HERE THAT ACTUALLY DEALS WITH, UH, DEALING WITH THOSE SPECIFIC LOCATIONS IN CONVERTING THOSE SPECIFIC LOCATIONS? THAT IS NOT IN THE GENERAL PLAN? NO. 
          THERE'S OFTEN A, UH, WHEN THERE ARE CONTAMINATED SITES, THERE ARE OFTEN OTHER MORE STRATEGIC PLANS RELATED TO THE REMEDIATION OF THOSE SITES, RIGHT? SO IT, IT, NONE OF THE GOALS THAT YOU HAVE HERE HAVE DEAL WITH REMEDIATION OF THOSE SITES, IS WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          SO, RIGHT. 
          WE WOULD, WE WOULD BE DEFERRING TO OTHER CITY PLANS IN THAT REGARD, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY ADD MORE CONTEXT AROUND THAT, RIGHT. 
          VENDORS, WE HAVE NEED MORE INFORMATION ABOUT, UH, UH, A PLAN FOR THE FUTURE. 
          WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WITH THOSE SITES? SO SOMEWHERE IN THERE. 
          SO SETTING UP SOME SORT OF GOAL, UM, AND SOME ACTION ITEMS AROUND, AROUND THOSE PARTICULAR SITES. 
          SO WHETHER GENERALLY OR SPECIFICALLY, BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S JUST MISSING FROM THE WHOLE PLAN SO FAR, IS WHAT I'VE SEEN. 
          I, THIS IS RON TAKE A LOOK AT, UM, POLICY SAF 10.5. 
          UM, IT DOES SPEAK TO SITE REMEDIATION, MAYBE NOT AT THE LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, BUT IT, IT DOES SPEAK TO, UM, A RESPONSE PLAN FOR REMEDIATING SITES. 
          UM, AND ALSO BROWN, THE EPA BROWNFIELDS PROGRAM. 
          IF I COULD ALSO ADD, THIS IS PATRICK HERE IN, IN THE ROOM. 
          UM, THERE ARE OTHER DOCUMENTS WHERE THESE TYPES OF ISSUES ARE GONE INTO. 
          UM, RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THE LOCAL HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN UPDATE. 
          UM, THAT'S A DOCUMENT THAT GETS UPDATED, I BELIEVE, EVERY FOUR YEARS. 
          AND THAT'S MORE SPECIFIC TO, UM, PROJECTS AS OPPOSED TO A GENERAL PLAN, WHICH IS KIND OF HIGHER LEVEL. 
          UM, SO THERE, THERE MAY BE OTHER DOCUMENTS THAT COVER THAT TYPE OF ACTIVITY, RIGHT? IT MIGHT BE COME UNDER LIKE, UH, UNDER LAND USES, UH, IN THAT AREA. 
          UM, THAT DOCUMENT MAY SHOW UP 'CAUSE THOSE ARE LOCATIONS, UM, THAT HAVE THE CONTAMINATION. 
          SO, SO MAYBE THAT'S WHERE IT WOULD, WOULD END UP. 
          UM, THE OTHER ONE, UH, TOPIC TO KIND OF BRING UP, I'M NOT SURE WHERE IT FITS IN ALL OF THESE IN THE SAFETIES AND MIGHT BE AN ENVIRONMENTAL HAZARD. 
          UM, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE BEEN READING, UH, LATELY ABOUT IS, UM, THE POLLUTION FROM TIRE DEBRIS ON OUR ROADS. 
          AND, UH, APPARENTLY THAT'S, UH, THERE'S A LOT MORE CHEMICALS IN TIRES NOW THAN THERE USED TO BE. 
          NOT JUST STRAIGHT RUBBER, BUT APPARENTLY THERE'S 250 CHEMICALS NOW BEING USED, UH, IN THE MANUFACTURER OF TIRES. 
          UH, SOME MANY OF WHICH WHICH ARE UNKNOWN AND A LOT OF ORGANICS THAT ARE, UM, THAT THEY'RE FINDING IN, IN, IN CREEKS NOW, UH, ASSOCIATED WITH, UH, TIRE, UH, SEDIMENT FROM, FROM THE WEAR OF TIRES ON ROADS, INCLUDING MAYBE POSSIBLY ASPHALT. 
          SO DOES THAT FIT INTO THIS TYPE OF FRAMEWORK OR WHERE, WHICH FRAMEWORK WOULD THAT FIT INTO THAT COULD FIT UNDER MANMADE HAZARDS? YES. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING TO, TO AT LEAST MENTION BECAUSE, UH, SOME OF THE REMEDIES, UH, THAT ASSOCIATED WITH, WITH CLIMATE CHANGE WOULD BE, UM, UH, LIGHTER VEHICLES. 
          UM, AND ESPECIALLY DEALING WITH EV VEHICLES THAT ARE EXTRA HEAVY TO GET THOSE DOWN IN SIZE IS ONE OF THEM. 
          UH, SLOWER SPEEDS, WHICH WE WANT TO HAVE AS A CLIMATE GOAL ALSO, UM, WOULD REALLY HELP TO REDUCE TIRE WEAR ON THE ROADS SO THAT IT'S ALL A LITTLE CONNECTED. 
          SO I WANNA MAKE SURE WE CONNECT THE DOTS WITH, UM, UH, REDUCE SPEED, WHICH IS ALSO SAFETY AND ALSO 
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REDUCING WEIGHT OF VEHICLES, SMALLER VEHICLES, UH, GETTING INTO BICYCLES VERSUS CARS, UH, WOULD ALSO REDUCE, UH, TIRE CONTAMINATION OF OUR, UM, ROADS OR CREEKS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, UM, DOWNSTREAM. 
          UM, 'CAUSE ALL, IT ALL FLOATS DOWNSTREAM, SO I JUST THOUGHT I'D MAKE SURE THAT'S SOMEWHERE IN, IN THE DOCUMENTATIONS. 
          'CAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S ANYWHERE THERE YET. 
          OKAY. 
          GOT IT. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          OKAY, I'LL PASS IT ON. 
          OKAY. 
          I GUESS, CAN WE, UH, I THINK WE'RE AT GOAL ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THIS WAS A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF THE GOALS, BUT SINCE WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THEM EACH ONE BY ONE. 
          RON, IF YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND ADVANCE, I, WELL, I JUST, JUST IF YOU COULD SPEND A MINUTE ON THIS JUST SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THERE'S A LOT IN HERE, AND IF THEY DON'T SEE IT IN ONE AREA, IT LIKELY OR MAYBE IN ANOTHER ONE. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, IT'S JUST SO WHEN PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THERE'S, YOU KNOW, 10 DIFFERENT GOAL AREAS, SO IT COVERS A LOT OF GROUND. 
          YEAH. 
          THERE, THERE ARE 10 DIFFERENT GOAL ONES. 
          AND AS I SAID IN THE BEGINNING, THIS FRAMEWORK REALLY IS INTENDED TO WORK WITH OTHER PLANS THAT THE CITY ALSO HAS IN PLACE. 
          SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE NOT IN THE SAFETY ELEMENT MAY, AS WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT MAY AND OTHER CITY DOCUMENTS. 
          UM, SO GOAL ONE POLICIES ARE RELATED TO EMERGENCY PRAYER PREPAREDNESS, UM, INCLUDING UPTODATE, EMERGENCY OPERATIONS PLANS, COMMUNITY RESOURCES, AND TRAINING AND FUNDING. 
          SO POLICIES UNDER THIS ARE MAKE MAKING SURE THAT THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS PLAN IS KEPT UP TO DATE PREPARING THE COMMUNITY FOR EMERGENCIES AND SEEKING ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR EMERGENCY OPERATIONS AND RESPONSE. 
          OKAY. 
          I, UH, I ONLY HAD ONE, UH, HIGH LEVEL COMMENT ON THE POLICIES UNDER GOAL ONE, AND THAT WAS THE, UH, THIRD POLICY ABOUT SEEKING FUNDS FOR EMERGENCY OPERATIONS. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, FORTUNATELY WE DID PASS MEASURE H, RIGHT? AND SO WE WILL HAVE FUNDS FOR THAT. 
          AND SO, UH, I THINK IT WOULD BE WISE TO, UH, BE EXPLICIT ABOUT MEASURE H, UM, MAYBE NOT IN THE POLICY FRAMEWORK, BUT AS WE GO INTO THE GENERAL PLAN, HOW WE PLAN ON, UH, COLLABORATING WITH OUR COMMUNITY AND SEEKING INPUT IN THE BEST WAYS, UH, TO SPEND OUR MEASURE H DOLLARS RELATED TO, UH, FUNDING FOR THIS TYPE OF WORK. 
          AND SO THE POLICY IS SORT OF BROAD AND I THINK SOMEWHAT ASPIRATIONAL AS WHEREAS WE ARE IN THE FORTUNATE POSITION OF ACTUALLY HAVING A DEDICATED FUNDING STREAM TO DEAL, UH, WITH THIS. 
          AND SO THAT WOULD BE MY, UH, SUGGESTION. 
          UH, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. 
          THERE, THERE ARE ITEMS LIKE THIS POLICY THAT APPEAR SEVERAL PLACES IN THE DOCUMENT, AND WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THESE, I KEPT THINKING, WELL, ISN'T THAT A NECESSARY STEP FOR ALL OF THESE THINGS? ISN'T IT OBVIOUS THAT WE ALWAYS NEED TO BE SEEKING FUNDING FOR EVERYTHING THE CITY NEEDS TO DO? SO IT'S JUST SEEMED A LITTLE PECULIAR TO ME THAT IN A FEW ISOLATED PLACES WE'RE SAYING, OH, LET'S GO GET MONEY. 
          LIKE, WE NEED MONEY ALL THE TIME FOR EVERYTHING. 
          JUST CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT DRIVES THAT. 
          SOMETIMES IT HELPS SET YOU UP FOR THE SPECIFIC GRANTS THAT YOU WANT TO GO AFTER, IF YOU HAVE IT EXPLICITLY STATED THAT YOU'RE SEEKING FUNDING FOR THOSE. 
          AND, AND I'LL JUST SPEAK MORE GENERALLY TO THE FRAMEWORKS, UM, RELATED TO DELLA'S COMMENT, IT, IT OFTEN IS THE CASE WHERE THERE ARE SPECIFIC FUNDING SOURCES KNOWN. 
          UM, IT'S, IT'S OFTEN HELPFUL THERE THEN TO CALL OUT AS AN ACTION THE NEED TO PURSUE THOSE, YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY IN THE CASE WHERE THERE ARE FORMULA GRANTS, UM, AND, AND NOT COMPETITIVE GRANTS. 
          THANKS. 
          OKAY. 
          LDA, GOAL TWO. 
          UH, SO THE POLICIES UNDER GOAL TWO ARE DESIGNED TO HELP ENSURE EMERGENCY RESPONDERS HAVE, HAVE WHAT THEY NEED TO EFFECTIVELY RESPOND TO HAZARDS, UM, INCLUDING MAINTAINING MUTUAL AID AGREEMENTS AND ALSO REDUCING COMMUNITY RISK THROUGH EDUCATION. 
          YEAH, I, I GUESS MY ONLY COMMENT ON THIS, UM, BROAD GOAL IS IN READING THROUGH THIS, THIS IS WHAT SPARKED MY THOUGHT ABOUT SAFE TEAM, COOL PETALUMA, PETALUMA PEOPLE SERVICES, SOME OF THESE OTHER GROUPS, SOME OF THE ACTIONS ARE LIKE VERY SPECIFIC IN TERMS OF, UH, CERTAIN DEPARTMENTS AND THINGS. 
          AND I KNOW WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY GETTING INTO THE ACTION LEVEL, BUT AT LEAST IN THE 
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POLICY DESCRIPTION IT'S PRETTY TECHNICAL AND TALKS ABOUT LIKE EMT LEVEL SERVICES, AND I THINK THAT COULD BE BROADENED TO BE, INCLUDE THINGS THAT THE SAFE TEAM DOES THAT COOL PETALUMA DOES, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, MAINTAIN QUALITY EMERGENCY RESPONSE SERVICES, YOU KNOW, ACROSS A BROADER SET OF, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS MY COMMENTARY ON THIS GOAL. 
          DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON GOAL TWO? OKAY, GREAT. 
          MOVING ON. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M TAKING NOTES AS YOU'RE TALKING, SO IF THERE'S A SLIGHT DELAY, I'M FINISHING MY, MY NOTE HERE TO MAKE SURE I CAPTURE IT PROPERLY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO GOAL THREE IS AROUND FUNDING AND RESOURCES FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, INCLUDING THINKING ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY WHEN APPROVING NEW DEVELOPMENTS, DESIGNING BUILDINGS AND SITES AND DEVELOPMENT WITH CRIME PREVENTION IN MIND. 
          OKAY. 
          AND YEAH, PLEASE. 
          OKAY. 
          ON, UH, GOAL THREE, UM, WHAT'S RECENTLY BEEN IN THE NEWS, UM, IS OUR, ONCE WE HAVE THE, UH, POLICE RESPONSES AND, UH, FOLKS ARE, ARE SENT OFF TO, UH, BASICALLY OUR, OUR COUNTY JAILS. 
          AND THEN THERE'S BEEN SOME, UH, ISSUES AROUND, UH, THE SERVICE THAT WE'RE PROVIDING FOR THE INMATES, UH, COVID AND THE LIKE. 
          AND, UM, WE'RE REHOUSING VERY FEW HERE IN THE CITY, BUT MOSTLY WORKING WITH THE COUNTY HOUSING. 
          UH, MOST OF THE FOLKS THAT THE, THE POLICE HERE, UM, ARE, ARE ASSIGNING TO THAT SO IS, BUT I DON'T SEE IT ANYWHERE IN HERE OF WORKING MORE CLOSELY WITH THE COUNTY AND IMPROVING THE, UM, THE JAIL SYSTEM AND, UM, AND, AND WORKING WITH THE, THE INMATES. 
          AND, UH, UH, JUST SO THAT WE HAVE THAT COVERED IN, IN, IN COMMENTS AND COVERED IN, UM, THE SAFETY SERVICES THAT, UM, WE, WE ARE GOING TO STILL MAINTAIN SOME, UH, HEALTH AND SAFETY FOR, FOR THE INMATES IF THAT WE DO END UP IN JAIL FROM OUR, FROM BEING, UH, SERVED HERE, UH, BY THE POLICE. 
          SO, UM, JUST SO THAT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THERE AS AN AWARENESS THAT, UM, THAT THE SYSTEM EXISTS AND THAT WE ARE PART OF THAT SYSTEM AND MAYBE WE NEED TO HELP IT. 
          Y'ALL PASSED ON. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAVE A PROCESS QUESTION, WHICH IS, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE WERE PARTICULARLY ASKED TO DO WAS TO INDICATE WHICH OF THE POLICIES SEEMED TO US TO BE THE MOST IMPORTANT, OR THAT EITHER NEEDED TO BE ELEVATED OR, OR MODIFIED IN SOME WAY. 
          AND I'M, I'VE BEEN NOT COMMENTING ON THAT BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE ARE WE GONNA DO THAT AFTER WE GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM AND SAY, WELL, THESE ONES RISE TO THE TOP, OR AS WE GO THROUGH SECTION BY SECTION, GOAL BY GOAL. 
          SHOULD WE BE CALLING THOSE OUT? YEAH, I THINK, UM, WHAT WE DID LAST TIME WAS WHEN A CERTAIN, WE GOT TO A CERTAIN ONE, THIS IS A PRIORITY FOR ME, AND THEN WE SORT OF SUMMARIZE OUR PRIORITIES AT THE END. 
          AT THE END, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, SURFACE IT AS A PRIORITY AND THEN MAYBE RANK THEM OR, YOU KNOW, ELEVATE THE TOP FIVE AT THE END. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, I'LL COMMENT. 
          I SAID I'LL COMMENT HERE UNDER THIS ONE. 
          UM, THREE, 3.4 STRIKES ME AS PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT. 
          UM, I'M A DESIGNER, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE A CARPENTER, EVERYTHING LOOKS LIKE A HAMMER OR A NAIL. 
          UM, SO AS A DESIGNER, I, I THINK THIS ONE IS PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I GUESS I HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT ONE. 
          THE DESIGN ONE. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, IF ANYONE IS AN EXPERT ON THE CP DED PRINCIPLES AROUND PARKING DESIGN. 
          UH, I DO KNOW IN, UH, THE LAST FRAMEWORK WE TALKED ABOUT PARKING AND PARKING MINIMUMS AND ALL THAT. 
          AND SO I DON'T KNOW TO WHAT EXTENT THESE DIFFERENT PRINCIPLES ARE IN ALIGNMENT OR, UH, INCOMPATIBLE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST, I GUESS, HIGHLIGHTING THAT IS, YOU KNOW, THIS SEEMS LIKE A NEW TYPE OF PARKING PRINCIPLE. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, PLEASE. 
          UM, UH, SINCE BEN HAS MENTIONED, UM, PARKING, UM, JUST THAT WE RECENTLY AT THAT, THAT COUNCIL, WE HAD ANOTHER PERSON COME UP AND, AND TALK ABOUT 800, A $600, UH, UH, 
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FEE THAT THEY HAD TO PAY FOR BEING TOWED, AND THAT THERE WAS 10 OTHER FOLKS TOWED FROM THE SAME SPOT THE SAME NIGHT. 
          UM, AND THAT THIS, THIS KEEPS OCCURRING. 
          I KEEP HEARING ABOUT IT AND IT KEEPS OCCURRING. 
          UM, SO I BROUGHT UP, I EVEN TALKED TO THE, UH, THE POLICE CHIEF ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT EVEN YESTERDAY WHEN I, WHEN I SAW HIM AT ANOTHER MEETING. 
          AND, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE COULD WORK ON TO, UM, TO, UH, IN FACT ENTIRE PARKING STUDY OF THE, THE DOWNTOWN. 
          SO THAT IMPROVE THE TRAFFIC FLOW AND, UH, WITH THE PARKED CARS AND WHERE THINGS ARE LOCATED, AND, UH, IDENTIFYING WHERE THERE'S PROBLEM SPOTS AND HOW TO SOLVE, UM, AND MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, THE PARKING ISSUE MORE EFFICIENT AND LESS, UM, CONCERNING TO STUDENTS OR TO, TO THE FOLKS THAT ARE GETTING TOWED OR, UH, 'CAUSE THEY'RE PARKING ILLEGALLY. 
          SO, UH, JUST WORKING ON THAT ISSUE MIGHT BE, UM, UH, A POLICY THAT WE WANT TO CREATE. 
          AND SINCE WE'RE DOING A PARKING STUDY THAT'S COMING UP THAT WOULD BE INITIATING, UH, WORK ON THAT, UH, ON 3.8, I THINK IT'S QUITE IMPORTANT THAT THE COMMUNITY BE INVOLVED IN POLICING POLICIES, BUT THIS SOMEHOW DIDN'T SEEM TO ME LIKE A GENERAL PLAN TYPE ISSUE. 
          UM, DELLA MENTIONED THAT THERE ARE MANY THINGS THAT MAY SHOW UP IN OTHER CITY PLANS, AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF THIS ONE MIGHT BE BETTER PLACED IN ANOTHER PLAN. 
          JUST A THOUGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, I THINK, UH, GOAL NUMBER FOUR. 
          OKAY. 
          SO GOAL NUMBER FOUR, POLICIES ARE CENTERED AROUND EVACUATION, ENSURING THAT EVERYONE HAS ACCESS TO AND KNOWS HOW TO CONDUCT SAFE EVACUATIONS. 
          THIS DOES PLAY IN WITH THE MOBILITY FRAMEWORK, AND I WILL ALSO SAY THAT THE EVACUATION STUDY IS STILL BEING FINALIZED BY FAIR PEERS. 
          AND SO THIS SECTION WILL BE UPDATED ONCE WE HAVE THE RESULTS OF THAT. 
          UH, BOTH OF THESE SEEM TO BE QUITE IMPORTANT TO ME. 
          UM, YEAH, I GUESS I'LL GO ONE STEP FURTHER AND SAY THEY'RE IMPORTANT AND, UH, AT LEAST, UH, POLICY 4.2 COULD, UM, BE MODIFIED A LITTLE BIT. 
          SO, UM, IT MENTIONS PROVIDING EMERGENCY EVACUATION RESOURCES. 
          AND THEN I THINK ELSEWHERE IN SOME OF THE GOALS, IT TALKS ABOUT RESILIENCE CENTERS AND LIKE THE THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO, UH, THIS GOAL IS ABOUT EVACUATING PEOPLE TO SOMEWHERE. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE OTHER GOALS ABOUT WHEN WE HAVE EVACUEES THAT THEY ARE GOING TO THESE PLACES. 
          UM, AND AT LEAST I THINK THE, SOME OF THE ACTIONS AND THE NAME OF THE POLICY, UM, COULD, COULD LINK THOSE CONCEPTS TOGETHER, LIKE PROVIDE A COMPLETE EMERGENCY EVACUATION RESOURCE, YOU KNOW, SUCH THAT PEOPLE CAN BE EVACUATED AND HAVE A PLACE TO GO. 
          AND SO I'M NOT NECESSARILY SAYING THIS IS A BAD POLICY, THAT THE ACTIONS AREN'T VERY GOOD, BUT IF IT, IT, THEY ARE NOT LINKED, UM, AT LEAST IN THE GOAL SECTION, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. 
          I, I COULD ACTUALLY SEE COMBINING, UM, GOAL FOUR AND FIVE. 
          I, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, BEN. 
          I THINK THEY WOULD BE BETTER INTEGRATED, MORE COMPREHENSIVELY. 
          UM, BACK TO THE POLICY, UH, 4.1 SINGLE ACCESS NEIGHBORHOODS, AND I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY OF THOSE WE ACTUALLY HAVE, UM, IN, IN OUR CITY, UM, FROM, THERE MAY BE JUST JUST A FEW HERE, BUT THERE'S, UH, WE ARE, THAT IS A CONCERN FOR RIGHT ALONG THE RIVER AREAS, UM, IN SOME OF THE COMMUNITIES WE CURRENTLY HAVE NOW. 
          BUT BESIDES THE SINGLE ACCESS NEIGHBORHOODS IN OUR TOWN, BASICALLY WE ONLY HAVE ONE ROUTE OUT. 
          IT'S 1 0 1 NORTH AND SOUTH, BASICALLY. 
          AND IF THOSE BRIDGES GO DOWN, UH, ACCESS OUTSIDE OR IT TO, TO AND FROM OUR TOWN, UH, IN AN EARTHQUAKE WOULD BE SEVERELY LIMITED ON OUR ROADWAYS. 
          AND THEN IF A FIRE CAME THROUGH, BECAUSE THE EARTHQUAKE CAUSES GAS, UH, TANKS TO EXPLODE AND WILDFIRES WOULD HAPPEN, UH, WHICH IS WHAT SAN HAPPENED TO SAN FRANCISCO, IT WASN'T THE EARTHQUAKE, IT WAS THE FIRES. 
          SO IF WE HAD AN EARTHQUAKE THAT DOWNED OUR BRIDGES AND, AND, UH, AND FOLLOWED UP WITH AN EARTHQUAKE FI UM, UH, IN THE FIRES AS A RESULT, THEN WE WE'RE DEALING WITH, WITH HOW DO WE EVACUATE IN THAT CASE? SO IF, UM, I, I THINK BESIDES SINGLE ACCESS NEIGHBORHOODS, THERE SHOULD BE A WHOLE CITY 
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EVACUATION. 
          WE'VE SEEN IT IN OTHER TOWNS IN, IN SOME RECENT, UM, WHERE THEY ATTEMPTED TO EVACUATE AND, AND THE FOLKS WERE STUCK ON THE ROAD FOR FOUR OR FIVE, SIX HOURS PARKED BECAUSE, UM, THERE WAS TOO MANY FOLKS TRYING TO GET OUT AT THE SAME TIME. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT WOULD ACTUALLY HAPPEN HERE. 
          SHOULD WE HAVE AN, UH, A 1 0 1 DISRUPTED, UM, ANY OF THE BRIDGES GOING NORTH OR, OR SOUTH. 
          SO I THINK, UM, PUTTING IN A WHOLE CITY EVACUATION PLAN, UH, AS WELL AS A SINGLE ACCESS, UM, SHOULD BE A WHOLE SEPARATE, UM, POLICY. 
          AND THAT IS, I WILL JUST ADD THAT THAT IS WHAT IS BEING STUDIED RIGHT NOW THROUGH THE EVACUATION STUDY. 
          SO WE CAN DEFINITELY ADD IN DETAILS AND ADDITIONAL POLICIES AND ACTIONS ONCE IT'S KIND OF DETERMINED WHAT THAT EVACUATION SCENARIO WOULD LOOK LIKE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, GOAL FIVE. 
          UM, SO THIS IS MAYBE MY NUMBER ONE GOAL HERE. 
          I ACTUALLY THINK THIS IS TWO, TWO SEPARATE GOALS WITH SORT OF OVERLAPPING POLICIES. 
          BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, THERE'S THE CONCEPT OF RESILIENT RESOURCE CENTERS, AND WE TALK ABOUT A RESILIENCY CENTER AT THE FAIRGROUNDS AT WHAT THE FAIR BOARD LED WITH IN THEIR PITCH TO KEEP IT RIGHT. 
          AND SO, UM, I DIDN'T SEE AN EXPLICIT POLICY OF LIKE, ESTABLISH A RESILIENT RESOURCE CENTER AT THE FAIRGROUNDS. 
          YOU KNOW, AND IN CONVERSATIONS AT PLAN FEST AROUND SOME OF THIS TOPIC, YOU KNOW, IT, UM, THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A CLEAR OWNER OF, UM, CREATING THE PLAN FOR THE RESOURCE CENTER AND CENTERS, UM, AND THAT IT WILL PROBABLY HAPPEN THROUGH THE UPDATE TO THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS PLAN, WHICH IS FINE AND ALL WELL AND GOOD, BUT THAT SHOULD BE CLEAR TO PEOPLE THAT IF YOU WANT A RESOURCE CENTER THAT YOU SHOULD TAP INTO THE EOP PROCESS. 
          UH, THE REASON I BRING THAT UP, UM, IS THAT THERE IS, UH, EQUALLY IMPORTANT BUT DISTINCT, UH, GOAL, WHICH IS TO, UH, HAVE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE BE RESILIENT. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, HAVING OUR WASTEWATER PLANT BE RESILIENT TO CLIMATE CHANGE AND TO SAFETY HAZARDS IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN ESTABLISHING RESILIENCY RESOURCE CENTERS. 
          THE ONLY SIMILARITY IS THE WORD RESILIENT. 
          AND SO, UM, I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO UNPACK, AND EVERY TIME WE USE THE WORD RESILIENT, LET'S BE CLEAR THAT THAT IS, LIKE, TO ME, THE WORD SUSTAINABILITY, IT MEANS ALL THINGS TO ALL PEOPLE, YOU KNOW. 
          AND SO RESILIENCY CAN MEAN A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE. 
          AND WE, WE JAM PACK EVERYTHING INTO RESILIENCY HERE. 
          IT'S, YOU KNOW, NO, WE NEED TO HAVE A VERY DISTINCT GOAL OF HOW WE MAKE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE RESILIENT, AND THEN WE NEED TO HAVE A VERY DISTINCT AND SEPARATE BUT RELATED GOAL OF HAVING RESILIENT RESOURCE CENTERS. 
          AND SO IT, IT, THE RESILIENCE RESOURCE CENTERS COMES UP AGAIN, AND THE RESILIENT INFRASTRUCTURE COMES A GAP, AGAIN, IN DIFFERENT POLICY STUFF. 
          BUT, UH, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT GOAL TO ME, AND I THINK IT COULD BE UNPACKED A LITTLE BIT. 
          UM, AND I'LL ADD ON THAT, UH, RES RESOURCE CENTERS FOR RESILIENCY. 
          UM, WE ALREADY HAVE LIKE A COUPLE OF THE, THE HIGH SCHOOLS ALREADY HAVE, UM, PLACES LIKE THEIR GYMNASIUMS ARE ALREADY ALSO DESIGNATED, UH, AS PLACES TO GO TO, UH, FOR EVACUATION AND THE LIKE, AND WE HAVE IN THE HOSPITAL OF COURSE. 
          BUT, UH, I KNOW THAT WHAT, UH, GOING THROUGH THE COOL, UH, CITIES COOL BLOCK PROGRAMS THAT TRYING TO CREATE WITHIN EACH NEIGHBORHOOD A NEIGHBOR TO NEIGHBOR RESOURCE, UM, AND THAT THERE WOULD BE, WITHIN A NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE WOULD BE A RESOURCE, UM, A MICRO RESOURCE CENTERS, UM, THAT WOULD SERVE THE IMMEDIATE, BECAUSE WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GET OUT OR MOVE AROUND IN CASE OF AN EARTHQUAKE. 
          UM, WE MAY BE, UM, IN, IN OUR HOUSES, UH, STAYING STILL FOR THREE DAYS TO THREE WEEKS. 
          AND SO HAVING, UM, EACH NEIGHBORHOOD AS A GOAL TO HAVE A RESI, A MICRO RESILIENCE CENTER FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH COMMUNICATIONS, MAYBE WITH THE COOL CITIES COOL PETALUMA PROGRAM THAT'S HAPPENING NOW. 
          AND I KNOW THAT'S ONE OF THE GOALS FOR, FOR THIS COMMUNITY IS TO HAVE EACH NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE ITS OWN RESILIENCY AND ITS OWN PLAN. 
          SO, WHICH COMBINES WITH WHAT THE COMMUNITY WATCH USED TO BE. 
          UM, THERE'S LOTS OF PROGRAMS ABOUT, UH, PREPAREDNESS, UM, UH, FOR FIRE, FOR EARTHQUAKES 
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THAT HAVE BEEN TRIED IN THE PAST. 
          BUT I THINK IF WE SET THAT UP AS IN OUR GENERAL PLAN, UM, TO HAVE THAT AS A, AS A GOAL TO HAVE NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, WORKING TOGETHER, UM, MIGHT BE A WAY OF, OF HOPEFULLY EMPHASIZING THIS, THIS WHOLE POLICY OF, OF NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, WORKING. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL, I'LL PASS ON. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, THIS ONE, ALL OF THE POLICIES UNDER GOAL FIVE STRIKE ME AS ABSOLUTE. 
          OF COURSE, OF COURSE. 
          NO-BRAINERS. 
          WE MUST DO ALL THESE THINGS. 
          I THINK MY MAIN COMMENT IN THIS, UNDER THIS GOAL IS, AND, AND MAYBE THIS ALSO SPEAKS TO SOME OF BEN'S REACTION AS WELL, THAT IT'S NOT PROPERLY ORDERED. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, ENSURING PUBLIC SERVICES DURING EMERGENCIES, THAT'S KIND OF THE HIGH LEVEL, RIGHT? E EVERYTHING ELSE SORT OF FALLS UNDER THAT. 
          AND IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING LIKE ENSURE PUBLIC SERVICES DURING EMERGENCIES, INCLUDING MULTI HAZARD SCENARIOS. 
          SO THAT'S, IN OTHER WORDS, THAT'S NOT ANOTHER POLICY THAT THAT ALL NEEDS TO GO TOGETHER. 
          AND THAT OF COURSE, MEANS THAT YOU HAVE CRITICAL FACILITIES THAT ARE HAZARD RESILIENT, RIGHT? SO THESE ARE, I THINK THEY'RE JUST DISSECTED IN A WAY THAT DOESN'T ENTIRELY MAKE SENSE. 
          SO I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE A LITTLE BIT OF REVISITING HOW THIS IS ORGANIZED AND THE PRIORITY UNDERNEATH GOAL FIVE. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          I, I DO HAVE A LOT OF COMMENTS ON THE ACTIONS IN ALL OF THE GOAL FIVE STUFF. 
          I AM REALLY TEMPTED TO GO INTO IT IN DETAIL. 
          I WILL SAY JUST AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL, LIKE WHEN WE DID THE CCO STUDY, I AM HOPING WE'RE IDENTIFYING CRITICAL LOADS ON THOSE PANELS, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW YOU DO MICROGRIDS. 
          OKAY? AND IF WE DID NOT DO THAT DURING THE CCO PROCESS, THAT WAS A FAILURE. 
          OKAY? AND SO, UM, WE CAN'T JUST SAY WE WANT MICROGRIDS EVERYWHERE. 
          OKAY? I'M IN THE MICROGRID BUSINESS, AND THAT IS NUMBER ONE, NOT FINANCIALLY POSSIBLE. 
          AND NUMBER TWO, NOT POSSIBLE FROM A PG E PERSPECTIVE. 
          OKAY? AND SO THESE ACTIONS, WHILE SOUNDING GOOD, ARE TOO ASPIRATIONAL TO BE IMPLEMENTABLE. 
          AND SO WE SHOULD HAVE, UH, OUR POLICIES REFLECT US LEVELING UP OUR ABILITY TO, UH, ACTUALLY MAKE THESE THINGS HAPPEN. 
          YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE CIRCO STUDY, IT WAS MENTIONED, THE, LIKE CCPS M STUDY ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, AND SO WE ARE DOING ALL THESE STUDIES, AND THEN WHEN TIMES COMES TIME THOUGH, WE NEED A MICROGRID BECAUSE THE POWER WENT OUT AGAIN, IT'S, OH, WE NEED ANOTHER STUDY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT SPECIFIC TO GOAL FIVE, BUT LIKE A POLICY TO DO LESS STUDIES NEEDS TO BE A POLICY. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, AS COMPREHENSIVE AS THEY NEED TO BE. 
          SO I'LL JUST, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT GOAL SIX. 
          OKAY. 
          THE GOAL SIX IS SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO CLIMATE, CLIMATE RESILIENCE, ALTHOUGH WE DO EMBED, UH, CLIMATE CHANGE IN ALL OF OUR POLICIES, THINKING FORWARD INTO THE FUTURE. 
          THIS ONE IS SPECIFICALLY AROUND, UH, DEVELOPING CLIMATE CHANGE AND RESILIENCE AND IN THE RESILIENCE AND RESPONSE EFFORTS. 
          SO IN INCORPORATING THAT INTO BUILDING DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT, GO, NO, GO FOR IT. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, ON THIS ONE, SORRY. 
          I SEEM TO BE THE ONLY ONE TALKING BESIDES BEN . 
          UM, AGAIN, AS A DESIGNER, I THINK CONSIDER CLIMATE AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IS NOT NEARLY STRONG ENOUGH. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO REQUIRE THAT CLIMATE BE ADDRESSED IN OUR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. 
          AND SIMILARLY, UNDER 6.3, PREPARING BUILDINGS FOR CLIMATE CHANGE, TREMENDOUSLY IMPORTANT. 
          UM, WHEN WE MAKE OUR BUILDINGS MORE CLIMATE RESILIENT, ONE OF THE THINGS, JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, IF WE IMPROVE BUILDING ENCLOSURES, WE IMPROVE PASSIVE SURVIVABILITY. 
          SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IN A POWER OUTAGE, PEOPLE CAN HAVE HEALTHY, SAFE INDOOR TEMPERATURES FOR MUCH LONGER THAN IF THOSE BUILDINGS HAVE NOT BEEN, UH, RETROFITTED TO HAVE HIGH QUALITY THERMAL INTEGRITY IN THE ENCLOSURES. 
          SO, UH, JUST I THINK THESE NEED TO BE ELEVATED BEYOND CONSIDERATION, UM, TO MANDATES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ALSO INCLUDED ON, ON BUILDINGS 6.3 FOR THE BUILDINGS. 
          IT'S NOT 
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JUST BUILDINGS. 
          UM, COMING FROM THE, UM, THE WATERSHED MEETINGS, UH, REGIONAL AND HAVING, UH, VARIOUS FOLKS FROM THE STATE AND SCIENCE INSTITUTES TO TALK TO US, UM, WE HAVE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF INFRASTRUCTURE ALL ALONG WITHIN THE BAY AREA, WHICH IS VERY, IT'S THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF DAMAGE THAT COULD OCCUR WITH SEA LEVEL RISE IS GOING TO OCCUR HERE IN THE BAY AREA, IN THE SAN FRANCISCO BAY. 
          AND SO, UM, SO NOT JUST OUR BUILDINGS, BUT ANYTHING IN OUR FLOODWAYS, UM, AND PATHS BESIDES BUILDINGS, WHICH INCLUDES OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH INCLUDES OUR PIPES, OUR WIRES, IT INCLUDES OUR, OUR ROADS AS WELL. 
          SO, UM, I'M NOT SURE IF, IF YOU'RE THINKING IN PREPARING BUILDINGS OR THINKING ABOUT PREPARING FOR HIGHER HEAT, UM, SO MAKING MORE INSULATION, MORE EARTHQUAKE RESILIENT, UM, AS A POSSIBILITY THERE FOR THIS PARTICULAR ONE. 
          BUT MAYBE EXPANDING THAT OUT TO INCLUDE, UH, ROADWAYS AND INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          UM, 'CAUSE I KNOW WE ARE DOING THAT, THE SONOMA COUNTY WATER AGENCY IS DOING THAT FOR ALL THE PIPELINES. 
          PG E IS TRYING TO DO THAT FOR ALL THE, THEIR ELECTRICAL. 
          SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, UH, MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE MORE INCLUSIVE THAN, THAN NOT JUST BUILDINGS. 
          AND THE, UH, ANOTHER PART ON THE RESILIENCY PLANS, THAT, THAT SEEMS TO BE A VERY HIGH LEVEL WORD. 
          THAT, AGAIN, WHAT DOES IT MEAN? WHAT DOES, UM, SO THAT HAS TO BE SUSSED OUT A LITTLE BIT. 
          AND MANY TIMES, UH, RESILIENCY COULD BE, UM, WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT CARBON EMISSIONS. 
          UM, AND PROBABLY AS A CITY, I'M NOT SURE IF WE CAN DO VERY MUCH ABOUT CARBON CARBON ASSIMILATION. 
          WE DO A LITTLE BIT WITH OUR TREES, BUT THAT'S JUST A TINY BIT COMPARED TO WHAT WE NEED TO DO. 
          UM, BUT IN OUR AGRICULTURE LOCALLY, UM, IN FACT, I JUST HEARD A TALK ABOUT REGENERATIVE AG WITH USING GRASSLANDS AND RANGELANDS, WHICH WE HAVE QUITE A BIT HERE. 
          AND THAT ON, ON AN INTERNATIONAL STAGE, WE HAD A LOCAL PERSON, UM, BE ONE OF THE MAIN SPEAKERS ABOUT, UH, ASSIMILATING CARBON. 
          AND I JUST HAPPENED TO, UM, AT THE MEETING, I JUST MET THE FOLKS THAT ARE DOING THE CLIMATE RESTORATION, WHICH HAS TO DO WITH RESILIENCY. 
          AND IT'S ABOUT ASSIMILATION, NOT SO MUCH EMISSIONS WE HAVE TO DO AS MUCH AS A STATE AND AS A COUNTRY, AND AS A WORLD IN ASSIMILATION, WHICH IS BIGGER THAN OUR CITY. 
          I MEAN, UM, WHEN YOU OPERATING AS A CITY, UM, THAT'S HARD TO ASSIMILATE, UH, ENOUGH CARBON. 
          BUT IF WE NEED TO SUPPORT THE STATE AND FEDERAL EFFORTS TO, UM, DO ASSIMILATION PROGRAMS AS WELL AS THAT WE'RE GONNA DO OUR PART FOR EMISSIONS, BUT ALSO IN BE ENCOURAGING OF THE STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THE WORLD TO, UH, DO A LOT MORE ON ASSIMILATION, AT LEAST AS A POLICY THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN AT A HIGHER LEVEL THAN US, BUT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD SUPPORT AS A CITY PART OF OUR CLIMATE CHANGE RESILIENCY. 
          WE NEED TO, UH, KIND OF NUDGE THE HIGHER, UH, REGIONALS, UH, GOVERNMENTS ABOVE US, UH, TO DO SO. 
          SO I'M NOT SURE IF THAT GOES IN OUR GENERAL PLAN OR THAT'S HERE. 
          UM, BUT, BUT AS FAR AS RESILIENCY PLANS, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE PART OF IT, UM, TO MAKE THAT GO, UM, I WOULD, I JUST WANNA KIND OF PIGGYBACK ON, UH, WHAT ANN WAS SAYING THAT, UM, I, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S JUST A LOT MORE THAT COULD GO IN HERE, AND I'LL, I'LL PUT IT IN MY FEEDBACK FORM WHEN I, WHEN I TURN IN THE FORM. 
          BUT, UM, I LOVE PERSONALLY THE 6.2 0.2 CONSIDER INCLUDING A COOL ROOF REQUIREMENT. 
          UM, BUT THERE'S SO MANY OTHER THINGS LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, INSULATION AND, YOU KNOW, ALL SORTS OF OTHER THINGS THAT HELP MAKE BUILDINGS MORE, UM, RESILIENT, UM, FOR THINGS LIKE EXTREME HEAT. 
          AND, UM, SO I'LL JUST, I'LL PUT THE DETAILED THINGS, BUT THAT'S SORT OF THE OVERARCHING COMMENT THAT I HAVE ON THE BUILDING SECTION. 
          UM, ACTUALLY THIS IS A PLACE, JOHN, YOU KIND OF REMINDED ME. 
          SO UNDER THE HAZARD SECTION OF THIS DOCUMENT, EXTREME HEAT WAS MENTIONED, BUT THEN VERY LITTLE WAS SUBSEQUENTLY SAID ABOUT THIS. 
          AND, AND BEN MENTIONED THIS, THE PROBLEM WITH THE UNHOUSED POPULATION. 
          SO I WOULD RECOMMEND ADDING, UM, SOME GOALS AND ACTIONS UNDER GOAL SIX RATE RELATED TO CLIMATE RESILIENCE, REMEMBERING THAT NOT EVERYONE'S IN A BUILDING, YOU KNOW, THAT WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, AND I'M NOT SURE THIS IS THE PLACE, BUT I ALSO SUPPORT BEN'S SUGGESTION OF HAVING A SEPARATE AIR QUALITY GOAL BECAUSE, AND THIS, THIS RELATES TO THE TIRE PARTICULATE MATTER, AS WELL AS THE, UM, AIR QUALITY CONCERNS THAT BEN MENTIONED. 
          SO THESE ARE INTERRELATED, BUT SUPER IMPORTANT. 
          I THINK I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, ALSO IN RELATION TO THE EXTREME HEAT, THE WORKERS THAT ARE DOING THE WORK, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, ROOFERS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING OUTDOORS. 
          AND, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAD MENTIONED LIKE A YEAR AGO IN THIS MEETING IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, ALLOWING WORKERS TO START EARLIER IN THE MORNING IN ORDER TO HELP THEM ADAPT TO 
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LIKE THE HEAT, THE MORE EXTREME HEAT IN THE AFTERNOON WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL, FOR EXAMPLE. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE GETTING, WE PROBABLY HAVE THE MOST COMMENTARY ON GOAL SIX SO FAR, AMONG EVERYONE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, TO ME THAT'S SAYING SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, I AGREE THERE IS NOT ENOUGH ABOUT EXTREME TEMPERATURE. 
          UM, I, YOU KNOW, PRIOR TO SPEAKING WITH SOME OF THE, UH, SAFETY PERSONNEL, MY FOCUS WAS ALSO ON EXTREME HEAT, BECAUSE THAT IS THE PRIMARY, UH, SITUATION WE'VE DEALT WITH. 
          THERE'S ALSO EXTREME COLD, YOU KNOW, AND SO EXTREME TEMPERATURE IS WHAT'S LISTED AS THE HAZARD. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE A SPECIFIC GOAL SECTION AROUND EXTREME TEMPERATURE. 
          UM, I DO THINK THE WORD CLIMATE AND THE WORD RESILIENCE ARE PROBABLY TWO OF THE GREATEST CATCHALLS WE HAVE IN OUR TIME. 
          AND SO, UM, TO THE EXTENT WE CAN UNPACK THAT OR REPHRASE THAT OR EXPAND UPON THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, AND THEN INCLUDE SOME SPECIFIC POLICIES AROUND EXTREME HEAT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE, UH, WE'D BE WELL DESERVED. 
          AND THEN TO AGAIN, UM, CHAMPION WHAT SOME OTHER PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY SAID, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT JUST BUILDINGS, IT'S INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          UM, AND THEN IN THE, LIKE, CONSIDER CLIMATE AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OR PREPARING. 
          SO I WOULD LIKE A SPECIFIC POLICY ACTION AROUND INCLUDING FEEDBACK AND DECISION MAKING AROUND, UM, CLIMATE HAZARDS IN OUR, UH, PLANNING DISCUSSIONS. 
          AND I'LL GIVE A COUPLE EXAMPLES. 
          AND SO LIKE THE NEW SKATE PARK THAT WE'RE BUILDING, RIGHT? SO WE'RE ALL PROUD OF THAT NOW, AND THAT TOOK US FIVE YEARS. 
          AND THE REASON THAT WE'RE BUILDING THAT NEW SKATE PARK IS BECAUSE THE CURRENT SKATE PARK WAS TOO HOT FOR THE KIDS THERE. 
          AND THEN THEY WERE HAVING TO FLIP OVER THE DUMPSTER LID TO CREATE A LITTLE BIT OF SHADE, RIGHT? AND WE REMEMBER THIS FIVE YEARS AGO, AND THERE WAS A BIG HULLABALOO ABOUT IT, AND WE EVENTUALLY PUT UP, UH, A SHADE STRUCTURE THERE. 
          AND I HAVEN'T BEEN BY THERE TODAY, BUT WHEN I WAS BY THERE LAST WEEK, THAT SHADE STRUCTURE WAS BROKEN. 
          OKAY? AND SO THAT IS THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT WE WANNA BE DOING. 
          IT'S LIKE OUR SKATE PARK WAS INSUFFICIENT AND IT WAS TOO HOT. 
          AND SO WE'RE GONNA BUILD A NEW SKATE PARK. 
          AND SO OUR OLD SKATE PARK IS STILL TOO HOT, AND OUR NEW SKATE PARK IS GOING TO BE TOO HOT, OKAY? BECAUSE I TRIED TO PROVIDE COMMENTS TO THE SKATE PARK DESIGNER AROUND, WHAT'S THE SHADE? ARE WE GONNA HAVE REFLECTIVE COATING ON THE PAINT? AND HE'S LIKE, I'M A SKATE PARK DESIGNER. 
          YOU KNOW, LIKE, TALK TO ME ABOUT THE RAMPS, YOU KNOW? AND THEN IT'S LIKE, HEY, THE SHADE OF THE SKATE PARK IS GONNA COME IN A FUTURE DESIGN EFFORT. 
          OKAY? SO THAT'S EXAMPLE ONE IS THE SKATE PARK, AND THE FACT THAT THE SKATE PARK, THE NEW SKATE PARK IS GOING TO BE TOO HOT UNLESS WE COURSE CORRECT NOW, OKAY? THE SECOND EXAMPLE IS THE NEW KENWORTH PARK, OKAY? AND IT'S LIKE, HEY, WHAT DO YOU GUYS WANT FOR THIS NEW PARK? OH, I WANT LIKE TREES, I WANT, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S LIKE, IF YOU ASK THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT, THEY'LL GIVE YOU THE LAUNDRY LIST OF WHAT THEY WANT FOR THE PARK. 
          BUT IF YOU ASK THEM, WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD MAKE THIS PARK RESILIENT TO CLIMATE CHANGE? AND IF YOU PROMPT THEM, AND IF WE HAVE A POLICY TO PROMPT THE DISCUSSION AROUND TIME, YOU KNOW, WHAT I THINK IS LIKE WHEN I GO DOWN TO PALM SPRINGS, THIS IS WHAT I SEE. 
          THERE'S MISTERS EVERYWHERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S WATER FEATURES IN ALL THE PARKS. 
          AND IT'S LIKE, IF YOU GO TO PALM SPRINGS AND THERE'S A PARK WITHOUT A WATER FEATURE, THAT'S A DEAD PARK, OKAY? AND SO WE NEED TO BE PLANNING, NOT, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA BE PALM SPRINGS, BUT MAYBE WE'RE GONNA BE SAN DIEGO, YOU KNOW? AND SO IT'S LIKE, LET'S THINK ABOUT HOW WE'RE DEVELOPING THIS AND PUTTING IT INTO OUR PLANNING AND PROMPTING OUR COMMUNITY DISCUSSION AROUND THAT. 
          AND SO I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME POLICIES RELATED TO PROMPTING OF THAT EFFORT SO THAT, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST THE BUILDINGS, NOT JUST THE CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT ACTUALLY HOW DO WE CREATE MORE RESILIENCY IN OUR COMMUNITY? AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THINKING A BIT MORE IN THE FUTURE THAN WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING WOULD BE HELPFUL. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          UM, WITH THAT SAID, I THINK WE'RE ONTO GOAL SEVEN DROUGHT. 
          I, I GUESS I HAVE A, FIRST OF ALL, I HAVE QUESTION HERE AROUND THE FIRST POLICY IS TO UPDATE THE URBAN WATER MANAGEMENT PLAN. 
          I HAVE HEARD COLLOQUIALLY, COLLOQUIALLY, ANYWAY, I HAVE HEARD THAT. 
          UM, THERE'S A WATER MASTER PLAN AND LIKE, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTION ABOUT WATER, IT'S THE WATER MASTER PLAN. 
          WE'RE GONNA HAVE A WATER MASTER 
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PLAN, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A WATER MASTER PLAN. 
          I DON'T SEE THE WORD WATER MASTER PLAN. 
          I DO SEE THE WORD URBAN WATER MANAGEMENT PLAN. 
          AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HERE CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION, IF THOSE TWO THINGS ARE DIFFERENT, IF THE WATER MASTER PLAN IS ACTUALLY THE UWMP. 
          SO THAT IS A QUESTION, ACTUALLY, SEBASTIAN, WHO I BELIEVE IS IN THE AUDIENCE IS, AND WHO'S THE NEXT SPEAKER MIGHT BE BEST POSITIONED TO ANSWER THAT ONE  TWO DOCUMENTS FOR TWO DIFFERENT PURPOSES. 
          THE URBAN WATER MANAGEMENT PLAN IS REQUIRED BY THE STATE, TYPICALLY ON A FIVE YEAR CYCLE. 
          AND IT'S BASICALLY THE DOCUMENTATION TO THE STATE TO PROVE THAT YOU AS A WATER PROVIDER HAVE SUFFICIENT WATER. 
          IT HAS BUILT INTO IT, UH, A SECTION ABOUT, UH, WHAT IS YOUR DROUGHT PLAN. 
          AND THOSE RULES GOT MUCH MORE STRICT AFTER SOME RECENT PRETTY HIGH PROFILE DROUGHTS. 
          SO THAT IS A OUTWARD FACING DOCUMENT TO GIVE TO THE STATE. 
          THE INTEGRATED WATER MASTER PLAN IS CURRENTLY UNDERWAY. 
          IT'S AN INTERNAL DOCUMENT THAT GUIDES THE CITY'S, UM, NOT JUST THE WATER SUPPLY, BUT IT ALSO TALKS ABOUT THE RECYCLED WATER SUPPLY. 
          IT HAS COMPONENTS ABOUT, UH, HOW WE INTEGRATING WITH OUR GROUNDWATER MANAGEMENT, CAN WE EXPLORE STORM WATER AS A WATER SUPPLY COMPONENT. 
          SO IT, IT'S, UM, IT'S ACTUALLY IN PROCESS RIGHT NOW AS IT'S A NEW CREATION. 
          IT'S KIND OF THE FIRST TIME THE CITY IS TAKING ALL OF THE DIFFERENT WATER SYSTEMS AND TRYING TO PUT THEM INTO ONE INTEGRATED WATER, UH, STRATEGY. 
          AND IT IS UNDERWAY PRESENTLY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, YEAH, PLEASE, COUNCIL MEMBER STRIPS. 
          UM, ALSO WHEN IT COMES TO DROUGHT, MOST PEOPLE JUST LOOK AT JUST LACK OF WATER FOR, FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          BUT DURING DROUGHT, UM, AFTER GOING ON, UM, AN AGRICULTURAL, UH, FIELD DAY, UH, WITH THE LEADERSHIP TEAM TALKING TO THE, UH, GROWERS OUT THERE AND ALSO THE BUSINESSES THAT SUPPORT AGRICULTURE, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, MORE TO IT THAN JUST, OKAY, THE CITY DEALING WITH, WITH LOW WATER. 
          'CAUSE DROUGHT IS GONNA AFFECT MANY BUSINESSES, AGRICULTURE BEING ONE OF THEM. 
          BUT THERE'S OTHER BUSINESSES THAT ALSO GOING TO BE AFFECTED BY LOW WATER USE. 
          UM, I'M SURE OUR BREWERIES AND OUR, UH, PET OF POULTRY, WHICH ARE HIGH WATER USERS IN THEIR INDUSTRIAL PLANTS HERE, AND THERE'S OTHER, UH, PRODUCTION PLANTS THAT, UH, WE MAY NOT BE AWARE OF THAT ACTUALLY USE A FAIR AMOUNT OF WATER. 
          AND THEY HAVE TO, UM, AND THEN THEIR WORKERS ARE AT RISK LOSE JOBS. 
          UM, AND SO THERE, THERE'S A HUGE IMPACT ON, UH, SOME OF OUR LOCAL ECONOMY. 
          IT'S CONCENTRATED IN CERTAIN BUSINESSES THAT ARE HIGH WATER USERS. 
          UM, AND THAT'S BESIDES, UH, JUST PRODUCTIVITY IN AGRICULTURE. 
          UM, AND ALSO THERE'S, DURING DROUGHT, UH, JUST ALL THE LANDSCAPES AND HOW TO MANAGE THE PARKS AND HOW WE MANAGE OUR, UM, AND HOW TO SHIFT PEOPLE OUT OF LAWNS IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO. 
          NOW, WE'RE ALREADY DOING THAT, BUT AS PART OF, UM, THE WATER MEASUREMENT PLAN AND WATER EFFICIENCY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DROUGHT, BUT PREPARING OUR ENTIRE LANDSCAPE SYSTEMS IN BOTH PARKS AND IN PRIVATE LANDS TO BE MORE DROUGHT TOLERANT, UH, WOULD BE ANOTHER FEATURE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDED IN. 
          UM, AND AS WELL AS SUPPORTING THOSE INDUSTRIES, OR AT LEAST WORKING WITH THE INDUSTRIES HERE THAT ARE HIGH WATER USERS TO, TO MAYBE REDUCE THAT WATER USE DOWN OVER TIME, BUT ALSO SUPPORT THE WORKERS. 
          WE'RE GOING TO BE HIGHLY IMPACTED WHEN DROUGHT DOES HAPPEN. 
          UM, THAT'S MORE OF A STATE OR FEDERAL THING, BUT MAYBE THERE'S SOME THINGS HERE IN THE CITY THAT WE COULD BE DOING IF WE IDENTIFY THOSE, UH, INDIVIDUALS THAT WOULD BE LOSING THEIR JOBS, UM, POTENTIALLY BECOMING HOMELESS, UH, BECAUSE OF DROUGHT. 
          SO DROUGHT HAS A HIGHER IMPACT THAN JUST, OH, UM, UH, JUST LACK OF WATER FOR CITIZENS. 
          SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IN THE DROUGHT SECTION HERE. 
          UH, WE ACKNOWLEDGE THE OTHER, UH, SCENARIOS AND SITUATIONS AND AND SUFFERING THAT MAY HAPPEN, AND THAT WE NEED TO BE PREPARED TO HELP IN ALL OF THOSE SITUATIONS, NOT JUST, UM, DEALING WITH WATER DIRECTLY, BUT ALSO THE CONSEQUENCES OF DROUGHT. 
          SO, UH, JUST WORKING ON THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER MEMBER AMP, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT OR, OKAY. 
          OH YEAH, PLEASE. 
          IF I CAN JUST ADD TO THAT, UM, FOR MORE DETAIL ON THE WATER SUPPLY CO, UH, CONVERSATION AROUND DROUGHT, UH, I WOULD POINT IT TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE FRAMEWORK. 
          UM, POLICY 3.1 HAS A LOT THAT FLESHES OUT, UM, SOME OF WHAT'S IN THERE IN SAF SEVEN, UM, AS WELL AS IF 
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YOU WANT SOME MORE, UH, DOCUMENTATION ABOUT THE INTEGRATED WATER MASTER PLAN, UH, WHAT IT INCLUDES AND WHAT THAT PROCESS LOOKS LIKE, I'D POINT YOU TO, UH, AGAIN, INFRASTRUCTURE OF POLICY, IU 1.1. 
          THANK YOU, SEBASTIAN. 
          AND THIS IS RON. 
          JUST, YEAH, WATER'S, WATER'S ONE OF THOSE TOPICS THAT IS ADDRESSED IN MULTIPLE FRAMEWORKS. 
          THE, THE ADDITIONAL ONE WHERE IT'S ADDRESSED IS IN THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT FRAMEWORK, WHERE IT'S LOOKED AT FROM MORE OF A, UM, WATER, UH, QUALITY OF NATURAL WATER'S PERSPECTIVE. 
          UM, SO IT, IT CUT CUTS ACROSS MANY DIFFERENT TOPICS. 
          I GU I GUESS, I GUESS DROUGHT IS A HAZARD AND THEREFORE REQUIRED IN THIS SAFETY ELEMENT. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S, WE'RE ONLY LIGHTLY TOUCHING IT HERE. 
          UM, I GUESS AT MINIMUM I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A POLICY THAT MENTIONS THE INTEGRATED WATER MASTER PLAN AND REFERENCES THAT BACK. 
          I, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THE POLICY FRAMEWORKS WILL GO INTO THE ACTUAL DRAFT PLANS, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE INCREASED WATER EFFICIENCY IS POSSIBLY A SUBTOPIC OF THAT. 
          UM, AND THEN, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER REBS HAD A COUPLE, I THINK POLICY SPECIFIC THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A COUPLE MORE IN HERE UNDER DROUGHT. 
          UM, AND PARTICULARLY WHAT ARE THE POLICIES AROUND HOW DO WE SUPPLY WATER TO, UH, NON-RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW? AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE DID IN THE LAST ROUTE. 
          AND THERE WAS SITUATIONS WHERE THEY WERE LIMITED BY THE AMOUNT OF WATER THE CONTRACTORS COULD SIGN UP, NO NEW CONTRACTORS. 
          AND SO WE WERE CAUGHT OFF GUARD WITH THE POLICIES WE COULD ACTUALLY DO TO DELIVER WATER TO FARMERS. 
          AND THE COUNTY WAS LIMITED AS WELL. 
          AND YOU KNOW, IF YOU ASK DAVID RABBIT, WE LOST SOME FARMS BECAUSE OF THAT. 
          AND SO, UM, I THINK THERE, IT'S PROBABLY A POLICY WITHIN THE INTEGRATED WATER MASTER PLAN, BUT WHAT IS OUR POLICY AND WHAT ARE OUR POTENTIAL ACTIONS RELATED TO DELIVERED WATER, I THINK IS THE TERM, OR WATER PURVEYORS AS MENTIONED HERE. 
          UM, AND YOU KNOW, ALSO WHAT, UM, IS NOT MENTIONED, IT MIGHT BE IN THE, UH, WATER MASTER PLAN, BUT THE WATER DELIVERY THAT WE PROVIDE TO THE COAST GUARD BASE, YOU KNOW, AND SO THERE, THERE'S A WHOLE BRAND NEW PIPELINE OUT THERE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, DURING THE LAST DROUGHT, INSTEAD OF ALLOWING FARMERS TO FILL UP THE TANK OUT IN TWO ROCK, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE WATER PROVIDERS DRIVING, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE MILES INTO TOWN TO FILL UP AT THE WASTEWATER PLANT. 
          AND SO THAT PIPELINE IS A CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE THAT, YOU KNOW, IS PROBABLY TIED UP IN SOME FEDERAL BUREAUCRACY, BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE HIGHLIGHTED, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR AT LUMA IS THE WATER PROVIDER TO SOUTHERN SONOMA COUNTY AND NORTHERN MARIN COUNTY, LET'S NOT FORGET, RIGHT? AND SO IF YOU LOOK AT NORTHERN MARIN WATER DISTRICT'S WATER PLAN, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR AHEAD OF US. 
          AND THAT IS A VERY DETAILED PLAN, AND I'M SURE YOU GUYS ARE REVIEWING IT, BUT LIKE, WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT PLANS AND WE'RE THE SAME, SOME SONOMA MARIN FAIRGROUNDS COMMUNITY. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A POLICY AROUND REGIONAL COORDINATION, UH, AMONG THE DIFFERENT WATER PLANS. 
          YEAH, PLEASE. 
          UM, YEAH, THAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING 'CAUSE UH, THERE'S MEETING, I'LL BE ATTENDING THIS NEXT MONTH ON WATER REUSE. 
          UM, SO THE, THE, THE WATERSHED FOLKS, WHICH IS ALSO ALL THE WATER DEPARTMENTS AS WELL AS, UM, THE WATER REUSE, THE PEOPLE ARE REALLY GETTING TOGETHER ON A REGIONAL BASIS HERE IN THE BAY AREA ALREADY, BUT WE WENT DURING DROUGHT. 
          UM, ONE OF THE THINGS IN THE WATER MANAGEMENT PLAN, AND MAYBE SEBASTIAN HAS MORE INFORMATION ON THIS, BUT THERE'S A REGIONAL EFFORT, UM, NOT JUST US HERE IN OUR CITY, BUT ELSEWHERE TO REUSE THE WATER, THE RECYCLED WATER, TO ACTUALLY REUSE IT, EVEN UP TO DRINKING WATER QUALITY. 
          UH, A LITTLE MORE EXPENSIVE AS, AND IT'S EVEN A COUPLE CITIES, OR EVEN AT LEAST LOOKING AT DESALINATION TYPE PLANTS IN CASE OF DROUGHT. 
          SO THERE IS AN EFFORT THAT IS GOING ON, ON A REGIONAL BASIS TO DO THESE THINGS. 
          UH, AT LEAST THEY'RE BEING EVALUATED NOW. 
          UM, AND THAT'S PROBABLY PART OF OUR WATER MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT THAT'S IN THERE. 
          BUT, UM, IF IT'S UNDER DROUGHT THAT, UM, MAYBE LISTING THAT AS, UM, THERE IS THE, NOT JUST WE'RE GONNA BE MANAGING THE WATER SUPPLY, BUT REUSE OF WATER. 
          WE'RE GONNA BE EXPANDING, UH, RECYCLED WATER USE. 
          UH, WE'RE DOING IT RIGHT NOW. 
          WE'VE GOT LOTS OF MONEY GOING INTO, 
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UH, LOTS OF GRANT MONEY THAT WE'VE RECEIVED. 
          WE'RE WORKING ON THAT IN OUR CITY ALREADY, SO BRINGING THAT AS A SEPARATE ITEM. 
          UM, WATER REUSE, UH, POLICY, UH, AS, AS WHERE, WHERE AS WELL AS WHERE WE'RE GETTING A WATER FROM THE RUSSIAN RIVER, UH, AND, UH, UNDERGROUND WATER, MOSTLY GROUNDWATER. 
          SO THERE'S A WHOLE, UH, THING IN THE WATER MANAGEMENT PLAN, UH, PROBABLY COULD BE EXPANDED OUT TO INCLUDE ALL THAT. 
          I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S A SEPARATE SUBTITLES, UH, UH, 7.1 0.1 ON 0.2, UM, OR A SEPARATE TOPIC, BUT SOMEWHERE IN THERE, UM, THIS IS ALMOST LIKE TOO BIG OF A STATEMENT FOR, FOR THAT AS A POLICY AND AS A GOAL. 
          MAYBE SPLITTING THAT UP A LITTLE BIT MIGHT BE HELPFUL. 
          I GUESS THE LAST THING ON THE WATER MASTER PLAN, IS THERE ANY, IS THAT PROCEEDING CONCURRENTLY AND IN AWAY FROM THE GENERAL PLAN? IS THERE ANY LIKE PUBLIC INPUT INTO THAT OR IS THAT JUST THROUGH THE FRAMEWORK ON WATER? THE INTEGRATED WATER MASTER PLAN BEING LED BY THE CITY? UM, THERE HAVE NOT BEEN, IT'S NOT, I'M NOT WORKING ON IT PERSONALLY, , UM, IT, THERE HAVE NOT BEEN COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SESSIONS THAT WE HAVE BEEN RECEIVING UPDATES. 
          UH, THE GENERAL PLAN TEAM IS RECEIVING UPDATES FROM CITY STAFF ABOUT WHERE THAT PROCESS IS. 
          UM, AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WE'RE ABLE TO, UM, TRY AND HELP OUTLINE IT AS A, AS A CRITICAL GENERAL PLAN POLICY THAT THE CITY THINKS ABOUT WATER IN THAT, IN THIS INTEGRATED REPORT. 
          WHEREAS FOR THE DECADES BEFORE, WE'VE HAD A RECYCLED WATER PLAN, A POTABLE WATER PLAN, A STORM WATER PLAN, AND THEY'VE REALLY BEEN ISOLATED. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, THANKS, THAT'S HELPFUL. 
          UM, I GUESS I'LL JUST MAKE A COMMENT. 
          THIS SEEMS NOT ABOUT THE FRAMEWORK, BUT ABOUT THAT PLAN. 
          IT SEEMS LIKE THAT IS PROCEEDING QUITE DIFFERENTLY FROM HOW NORTH MARIN HAS DONE IT. 
          THAT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE SONOMA COUNTY WATER AGENCIES DIFFERENTLY STRUCTURED THE NORTH MARIN AND SOUTH MARIN, BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IN THE MARIN WATER PLANTS. 
          AND SO JUST TAKE THAT AS A POINT OF FEEDBACK. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK WE'RE ON TO, UH, GOAL EIGHT. 
          UH, IF NO ONE HAS ANY COMMENTS ON GOAL EIGHT, I'LL GO FIRST. 
          THIS IS WHERE I WAS HOPING TO SEE SOMETHING ABOUT WILDFIRE SMOKE AND THEN NOT SEEING THAT I CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT WE SHOULD REALLY HAVE OUR OWN AIR QUALITY HAZARD AND OUR WHOLE GOAL SECTION AROUND AIR QUALITY. 
          UH, I THINK THIS, THESE ARE GREAT GOALS TO HAVE. 
          THESE ARE ABOUT WILDFIRE AND RISK MITIGATION AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I ANECDOTALLY, AGAIN, THIS WAS LIKE A LONG CONVERSATION I HAD, AND YOU KNOW, I WAS PROVIDED PLENTY OF ASSURANCE THAT THE COUNTY IS GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT SONOMA MOUNTAIN NEVER BURNS AND THAT FIRE DOES NOT GO DOWN INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          UM, I WOULD HOPE WE COULD SEE SOME KIND OF POLICY OR GOAL RELATED TO THAT IN A MORE EXPLICIT WAY. 
          UM, I PERSONALLY HAVE SOME CONCERN THAT OUR COUNTY NEEDS ARE GREATER THAN OUR ABILITIES TO SERVE. 
          AND THOSE, IF THE, IF NOT PROPERLY MANAGED, ALL OF THE COUNTY RESOURCES WILL GO TOWARDS THE AREAS THAT HAVE ALREADY BURNED. 
          AND SO, LIKE A POSSIBLE LAKEVILLE FIRE TUNNEL OR CINEMA MOUNTAIN BURNING, OR EVEN HELEN PUTNAM BURNING, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE CITY'S PROBLEM TO DEAL WITH ON COUNTY JURISDICTION. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I HAD A BRIEF CONVERSATION, UH, TO ELLA WITH YOU ABOUT THIS, AND I KNOW LIKE THE COUNTY IS WORKING ON THEIR OWN SIMILAR PLAN, AND SO I JUST AM HIGHLIGHTING THAT THIS IS A CONCERN OF MINE AND IN SOME CONVERSATION I'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY WITH THE LARGE BATTERY FACILITIES, WHICH ARE POSSIBLY GOING TO GO IN AT THE SUBSTATION OVER BY ADOBE CREEK. 
          AND SO IF THE, IF WILDFIRE EVER HITS THOSE THINGS, OUR TOWN WILL BE EXPOSED TO SIGNIFICANT, UH, HAZARDS. 
          AND SO, UH, A POLICY AROUND LIKE ENSURING THAT OUR COUNTY PARTNERS DO THE BEST TO MITIGATE AREAS OF COMMUNITY CONCERN, UH, WOULD BE, UM, SOMEWHAT OF A GOAL STATEMENT. 
          I'D LIKE TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, MORE, MORE EXPLICIT THAN LIKE CREATING A FUEL MANAGEMENT PLAN. 
          YOU KNOW, A FUEL MANAGEMENT 
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PLAN IS, I THINK THE, AGAIN, THE, THE CITY STAFF DOES A GOOD JOB OF THIS, AND THE COUNTY DOES A GOOD JOB OF THIS. 
          HEY, YOU KNOW, HERE'S WHERE WE THINK CONCERNS ARE. 
          HERE'S THE CHIPPER PROGRAM, HERE'S ALL THAT. 
          BUT THE, THE COMMUNITY HIGHLIGHTING THE CONCERN AREAS IS, UM, SOMEWHAT ABSENT OF, UH, THE RISK MANAGEMENT ELEMENT. 
          NOT THAT IT ISN'T BEING DONE, IT'S JUST NOT BEING STATED AS A POLICY. 
          UM, THIS IS, THIS IS AN ACTION COMMENT, BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK MARIN COUNTY HAS AGAIN, LIKE DONE GREAT THINGS IN, IN RELATION TO, UM, WILDFIRE, YOU KNOW, AND FIREWISE COMMUNITIES IS SOMETHING THAT THEY DO IN MARIN COUNTY AND SOMETHING THEY DO, UH, UP IN SANTA ROSA. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF PETALUMA HAS ANY FIREWISE COMMUNITIES, BUT I DO THINK THAT'S A, A HIGHLIGHTED POLICY FROM THE STATE ON DOWN. 
          AND SO, UM, MAYBE IT'S AN ACTION, MAYBE IT'S A POLICY, BUT SOMETHING EXPLICIT TO FIREWISE COMMUNITIES. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, GOAL NINE IS EARTHQUAKE RESILIENCY. 
          I GUESS EVERYONE IS REALLY JUST, UH, HOPEFUL IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN THAT I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING, A LOT OF LIKE POLICIES AND ACTIONS AROUND REBUILDING ARE SOMEWHAT DAUNTING. 
          UM, AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT FURTHER WE CAN DO THERE, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I I THINK AT LEAST A POLICY AROUND LIKE, UM, SOMETHING TO, NOT A POLICY, BUT EVENTUALLY A STATEMENT THAT GETS MADE TO GIVE THE COMMUNITY SOME ASSURANCE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IF YOU READ THIS EARTHQUAKE RESILIENCY THING, AT LEAST THAT IT READS TO ME THAT LIKE, I HOPE THIS NEVER HAPPENS, BECAUSE IF IT DOES, IT'LL BE REALLY BAD, YOU KNOW? AND AGAIN, IN, UH, TAKING SOME CUES FROM PLAN BAY AREA PLAN BAY AREA, LIKE THE FIRST SCENARIO IS THAT AN EARTHQUAKE HAPPENS BY 2050, AND THEN THERE'S ALL DIFFERENT CASCADING THINGS IN PLAN BAY AREA THAT COME FROM WHAT DO WE DO AFTER THE EARTHQUAKE. 
          AND SO, UM, THAT, THAT DOESN'T SHOW UP HERE IN THIS GOAL. 
          AND SO THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE TIME TO DO THAT, BUT LIKE, LOOK TO PLAN BAY AREA AND WHAT, HOW DO THEY TALK ABOUT EARTHQUAKES? AND SO IT'S, AGAIN, IT'S LIKE MORE POSITIVE GOALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAN, UH, SOME OF THIS STUFF, WHICH IS MAYBE MORE PRACTICAL OR TECHNICAL. 
          GOOD COMMENT. 
          UHHUH , THIS IS ANOTHER PLACE WHERE I FELT THAT THE TERMINOLOGY SHOULD BE CHANGED. 
          LOOKING PARTICULARLY AT POLICY SAF 9.2, CONSIDER GEOTECHNICAL INFORMATION FOR DEVELOPMENT DOESN'T STRIKE ME AS STRONG ENOUGH LANGUAGE. 
          IT'S LIKE, AND, AND I'LL, I'LL JUST ADD THE COMMENT TOO IN, IN ALL OF GOAL EIGHT, THESE ARE, AGAIN, TO ME, LIKE, OF COURSE WE NEED TO DO ALL OF THESE. 
          OF COURSE, THEY'RE OF SUPREME IMPORTANCE, LIKEWISE IN NINE. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, LIKE LET'S NOT, LET'S GO BEYOND CONSIDERING AND LET'S MAKE SURE WE'RE USING APPROPRIATE, UH, METRICS OR, YOU KNOW, GUIDELINE STANDARDS FOR USE OF GEOTECHNICAL INFORMATION FOR DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, YEAH. 
          AND WITH, UH, EARTHQUAKE BEING ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT IT'S NOT IF IT'S WHEN, UM, IT'S GONNA HAPPEN, AND ESPECIALLY WHEN ONE SIDE OF OUR TOWN'S PROBABLY GONNA BE AFFECTED MORE THAN THE OTHER SIDE JUST BECAUSE OF THE SOIL AND BECAUSE OF THE PLACEMENT OF THE FAULT LINES. 
          UM, SO I THINK FOR RESILIENCY, THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE PUBLIC EDUCATION, UH, ABOUT WHERE THINGS ARE, WHAT TO DO, UM, HOW TO PREPARE FOR AN EARTHQUAKE. 
          UH, I KNOW WE'VE TRIED IN PAST, BUT THERE'S BEEN MANY EFFORTS TO TRY TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ON BEING INDIVIDUALLY PREPARED, UM, AND WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          I KNOW THE COOL PETALUMA IS WORKING ON THAT AS PART OF THEIR PROGRAM, BUT I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A SEPARATE POLICY, UH, ABOUT PREPARING THE CITIZENRY FOR, UM, FOR THE ACTUAL EVENT, BOTH WHAT DO YOU DO BEFORE, WHAT DO YOU DO DURING, AND WHAT DO YOU, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO AFTERWARDS? AND IF THAT'S, WE SET THAT UP AS A POLICY THAT WE ARE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IS, IS AWARE OF THAT WORKING WITH OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM SO THAT, UM, WE HAVE THAT AS AN EDUCATIONAL COMPONENT WITHIN OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM, UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO WORK THAT OUT. 
          UH, AND, AND THEN IF WE COULD HAVE EVEN THE, UM, MICRO CONSIDERING MICRO RESILIENCY CENTERS AS 
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WELL AS THE MAJOR RESILIENCY CENTERS, UM, AVAILABLE SO THAT THERE'LL BE MORE THINGS SPREAD, SPREAD AROUND THE TOWN BECAUSE, UM, WHEN THINGS HAPPEN, AND I'VE ALREADY BEEN IN A COUPLE OF EARTHQUAKES AND NOT, FORTUNATELY NOT THE BIGGEST ONES, BUT I'VE BEEN THROUGH THE SAN JOSE ONE AND IT, UM, UM, WE NEED TO DO A MUCH BETTER JOB OF PREPARING THE PEOPLE AND THAT, UH, I KNOW IT'S BEEN TROUBLE IN THE PAST, BUT WE STILL HAVE TO KEEP, KEEP WORKING ON IT. 
          OKAY. 
          LAST BUT NOT LEAST, GOAL 10 HAZARDOUS MATERIALS. 
          I HAVE A COUPLE COMMENTS HERE, UH, AS WELL. 
          SO MORE OF LIKE, THE GOAL STATEMENT IS PRETTY SHORT AND JUST ABOUT MINIMIZING EXPOSURE. 
          I THINK IN OTHER PLACES IT TALKS ABOUT LIKE WHAT THE, OUR SAFETY INFRASTRUCTURE DO DOES TO RESPOND. 
          AND I THINK WE COULD SORT OF EXPAND ON THAT HERE. 
          LIKE MINIMIZE COMMUNITY EXPOSURE TO HAZARDOUS MATERIALS AND EXPAND, YOU KNOW, TRAINING AND KNOWLEDGE AROUND DEALING WITH NEW TYPES OF HAZARDS. 
          YOU KNOW, LIKE THE, YOU KNOW, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IN PARTICULAR AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE BEYOND THAT. 
          THEY'RE GONNA BE, CONTINUE PLAYING A GAME OF CATCH RELATED TO TECHNOLOGICAL ADVANCEMENT OF, YOU KNOW, NEW BATTERY CHEMISTRIES, HYDROGEN INFRASTRUCTURE, DIFFERENT TYPES OF GASEOUS FUELS. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, I'M SURE THEY'RE ALL WELL ON, LIKE WHAT THAT TRAINING COULD BE. 
          YOU KNOW, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE GET A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF FUNDING FOR TRAINING OF THAT IF A NEW BATTERY FACILITY GETS APPROVED. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, NEW TRAINING AND EQUIPMENT SHOULD BE A REQUIREMENT FOR ANYTIME SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPENS. 
          UM, AND SO THAT'S MORE OF A BROAD STATEMENT RELATED TO THE GOAL. 
          UM, IS THAT IN ADDITION TO MINIMIZING THE RISKS, WE SHOULD ALSO BE PLANNING FOR OUR RESPONSE TO THOSE EVENTS SPECIFIC TO THESE TYPES OF HAZARDS. 
          UM, I FULLY CONCUR WITH WHAT BEN SAID, AND THIS IS YET ANOTHER GOAL THAT I FELT WAS LIKE, IT'S OF COURSE NO BRAINER. 
          UM, BUT I WOULD ADD, I, I AGREE. 
          I THINK THAT THE GOAL STATEMENT SHOULD BE BROADENED AND PERHAPS SAY, UM, MINIMIZE AND REDUCE TO MINIMIZE AND PERHAPS ALSO ADD LANGUAGE ABOUT ADOPTING A PRECAUTIONARY PRINCIPLE, UM, IN OUR TREATMENT OF TOXIC MATERIALS. 
          AND FURTHER, I THINK IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO MENTION HERE THAT ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THIS IS SO TREMENDOUSLY IMPORTANT IS IN THE CONTEXT OF VARIOUS TYPES OF DISASTERS THAT CAN STRIKE US, BECAUSE THEN THESE THINGS BECOME MUCH MORE RISKY THAN THEY ARE IN A STATIC CONDITION, YOU KNOW, IN A, IN A DAY-TO-DAY CONDITION. 
          SO I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE MENTIONED HERE. 
          UM, JUST ADDING, ADDING TO THE REDUCED, UH, 10.4 REDUCED USE OF TOXIC MATERIALS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST THING THAT COMES TO MY MIND IS, IS ROOFING. 
          YOU KNOW, AS SWT SHINGLE ROOFS ARE REALLY LIKE TOXIC AND THEY, WHEN IT RAINS, THEN ALL THAT, ALL THOSE TOXINS GO INTO THE GROUNDWATER AND INTO THE SOIL. 
          UM, BUT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOTHING IN HERE YET ABOUT, UM, BUILDING MATERIALS. 
          AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, GOOD CHOICES THAT PEOPLE CAN BE MAKING IF THEY'RE INFORMED OF IT. 
          I WAS TALKING TO MARY DOOLEY AT THE COOL PETALUMA EXPO, AND SHE ACTUALLY HAS LIKE A WHOLE LIST OF, UM, BUILDING MATERIALS THAT ARE NON-TOXIC. 
          SO, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD RESOURCES OUT THERE. 
          YEAH, I WOULD SUPPORT WHAT, UM, JUST STATED ABOUT THE BUILDING MATERIALS. 
          UM, NOW THAT I'M IN THE PROCESS OF BUILDING ONE MYSELF, A YOU AND MY GARAGE, UM, I, UM, INVESTIGATING WHOLE HOUSE AIR CIRCULATION FROM THE AIR EXCHANGERS THAT HAVE TO BE IN ADDITION TO THE BATHROOM FAN, THE, THE STOVE FAN, AND THE AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEM. 
          UM, THERE'S A FOURTH SYSTEM THAT I HAVE TO PUT IN THAT I NEVER REALIZED EXISTED. 
          I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ELSE, VERY FEW PEOPLE KNOW THIS EXISTS. 
          IT IS NOW REQUIRED BY CALIFORNIA STATE LAW FOR ALL NEW DEVELOPMENT, AND THAT IS A WHOLE HOUSE AIR VENTILATION SYSTEM, 24 7. 
          AIR HAS TO MOVE INSIDE AND OUT BECAUSE UNDER MOST NEW CONSTRUCTION BUILDINGS ARE SO TIGHT, THE VOCS, THE VOLATILE, UH, ORGANIC COMPOUNDS ARE COMING OFF ALL MATERIALS, ALL THE CHEMICALS, UM, EVERYTHING THAT'S IN PLASTICS, FOAMS, FURNITURE THAT'S INSIDE THE HOUSE IS, UM, UH, BEING ONE OF OUR, UM, HUGE CONTRIBUTORS TO OUR HEALTH PROBLEMS DOWN THE ROAD. 
          SO, UM, ONE OF THE CONCERNS I HAVE IS, IS WHEN YOU SAY UPDATE RESOURCES AND HOUSEHOLD HAZARDS, UH, UH, AGAIN, 
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UM, WE HAVE TO DO MORE THAN JUST PROVIDE RESOURCES. 
          UH, WE HAVE TO LEAST INFORM FOLKS THAT THERE ARE NEW BUILDING CODES THAT ARE WORKING ON THIS. 
          THAT THERE'S THINGS YOU CAN DO FOR CHANGING THE THINGS YOU HAVE IN YOUR HOUSEHOLD TO, TO DECREASE YOUR HOUSEHOLD HAZARDS, UM, AND HOW TO STORE THINGS AND WHAT THE DOOR. 
          SO THERE COULD BE, UM, MAYBE SOME FUTURE, UM, SERVICE LIKE WE HAVE WATERWISE SERVICE THAT GOES OUT AND INSPECTS FOR WATER USE. 
          WE MAY CONSIDER A SERVICE OF, OH, LET'S, LET'S INSPECT YOUR HOUSE FOR HAZARDOUS MATERIALS SO THAT WE CAN MODIFY YOUR HOUSEHOLD FOR THAT PURPOSE. 
          THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THE CITY COULD DO. 
          I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S A STATE PROGRAM OR ANYTHING, ANYTHING OR GRANT MONEY WOULD HAVE TO BE CE RECEIVED ON THAT. 
          BUT A LITTLE BIT MORE ACTION ABOUT, UM, NOT JUST PROVIDING RESOURCES, BUT EDUCATION AND SERVICE AROUND REDUCING THE H UH, HOUSEHOLD HAZARDS AS WELL AS JUST PROVIDING INFORMATION ABOUT IT. 
          SO MAYBE, UH, A STEP UP A LITTLE BIT IN ASPIRATION HERE. 
          UM, 'CAUSE UPDATE RESOURCES, I'M NOT SURE HOW HELPFUL THAT IS. 
          I, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT SOUNDS A LOT LIKE ANOTHER VOTE FOR AN AIR QUALITY HAZARD AND SOME GOALS AROUND THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THIS IS LIKE HAZARDOUS MATERIALS MANAGEMENT. 
          I THINK THAT'S LIKE A INDOOR AIR QUALITY AND INDOOR HAZARDS IS, IT'S MAYBE IN HERE A LITTLE BIT, BUT LIKE PEOPLE AREN'T AWARE OF THE DANGERS OF THESE THINGS. 
          RECOLOGY MIGHT EVEN HAVE A PROGRAM AROUND LIKE H HOUSEHOLD TOXICS AND THINGS. 
          SO, UM, MAYBE THERE'S LIKE A POLICY SPECIFIC TO THE HOUSEHOLD LEVEL IS, OR RIGHT. 
          EVEN THE HOSPITALS EMERGENCY ROOM DOCTORS, UH, HAVE, HAVE SPOKEN. 
          I'VE, I'VE HEARD THEM SPEAK ABOUT THIS ISSUE BECAUSE THEY SEE LOTS OF BABIES AND CHILDREN COME IN WITH, UM, TOXICITIES FROM HOUSEHOLD ITEMS, UM, WHETHER IT INGESTED IT OR, OR, UM, IN, IN SOME FASHION. 
          SO THAT, THAT IS, THAT HAS BEEN A HOT TOPIC IN THE PAST. 
          AND, UM, AND WE, WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP THAT IN OUR LANGUAGE, IN OUR VOCABULARY THAT THAT IS A HAZARD AND WE NEED TO BE, UH, MAYBE CONTINUE TO WORK ON IT AS, AS A SOCIETY CHAIR. 
          PETERS, IF, IF I COULD ADD YEAH, PLEASE. 
          UM, THE AGENCY I WORKED AT BEFORE COMING TO THE CITY OF PETALUMA WAS SONOMA COUNTY WASTE MANAGEMENT AGENCY, NOW IS ZERO WASTE SONOMA. 
          UM, ONE OF THEIR BIG POLICY, UM, DISCUSSIONS IS ABOUT A CONCEPT CALLED EXTENDED PRODUCER RESPONSIBILITY. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE YOU HAVE, UM, PRODUCERS OF THOSE PRODUCTS BEARING, YOU KNOW, RESPONSIBILITY IN THE END OF LIFE, UM, AND TRYING TO GET THEM TO REDESIGN PRODUCTS, EITHER REMOVE THE TOXICITY OF, OF THOSE ELEMENTS OR TO BEAR THE, THE COST OF THEIR DISPOSAL. 
          WHEREAS RIGHT NOW IT'S ALL DOWN ON CONSUMERS OR OUR, OUR HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE PROGRAMS. SO THE CONCEPT, I THINK, UM, THE CONCEPT OF EXTENDED PRODUCER RESPONSIBILITY SHOWS UP IN THE BLUEPRINT DOCUMENT. 
          I, I THINK I ADDED, UM, A COMMENT ABOUT THAT THERE. 
          UM, BUT I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IN THIS DISCUSSION HERE IS THAT CONCEPT OF IS THERE A, A POLICY THAT WE COULD ADD TO HIT THE PREVENTION SIDE OF SOME OF THESE ISSUES WOULD BE EXTENDED PRODUCER RESPONSIBILITY, AND MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD, UH, CONSIDER ADDING TO THIS. 
          WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE PRODUCERS INVOLVED IN MAKING THEIR PRODUCTS LESS TOXIC SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THEM AFTER THE FACT. 
          UM, YEAH, I AGREED. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, UH, THE, THE LAST THING I'LL SAY ON HAZARDOUS MATERIALS, AND I DON'T KNOW, I, THIS IS MAYBE NOT A LAND USE THING, BUT UM, I KNOW IN SHELLVILLE THEY'RE TRYING TO GET THOSE, UH, OIL TANKERS NOT BEING STORED THERE, AND I THINK THEY WERE SUCCESSFUL. 
          AND THEN SMART SAID, HEY, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF MONEY COMING FROM OUR FREIGHT RAIL DEPARTMENT, AND SO LET'S RE-LOOK AT STORING THOSE OIL TANKERS. 
          AND MAYBE IF SHELLVILLE PUTS UP A FIGHT, THEN SOMEONE WILL SAY, HEY, LET'S STORE THOSE OIL TANKERS IN PETALUMA. 
          AND SO I THINK OUR GENERAL PLAN CAN SPEAK TO THE EXTENT OUR COMMUNITY WANTS THOSE STORED IN OUR COMMUNITY OR NOT. 
          AND SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A POLICY TO DEVELOP A POLICY AROUND WHAT OUR COMMUNITY FEELS ABOUT THE STORAGE OF, UH, FREIGHT RAIL, HAZARDOUS MATERIALS, UM, AND JUST HAZARDOUS MATERIALS. 
          AND THE LAST ONE, 10.5 INSURER SITE REMEDIATION. 
          I'M NOT SURE IF PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS AT ALL THE WAY IT'S WHAT THAT MEANS. 
          UM, SO MAYBE REWRITING THAT AS TO, UM, WHAT THAT ACTUALLY IS, UM, 
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OR, OR HAVING A BETTER EXPLANATION OF WITHIN, WITHIN IT, HOPEFULLY A LITTLE BIT MORE SUCH AS WE HAVE THESE LOCATIONS OR THERE, IT'S JUST WHEN A HAZARD HAPPENS ON THE ROAD, HOW ARE WE GONNA CLEAN THAT UP? UM, HAZARDOUS WASTE MATERIAL IF THERE'S A SPILLER OR WHATEVER, UM, THAT HAS HAPPENED. 
          UM, WE'VE HAD GAS TANKERS, UH, OIL TANKERS ACTUALLY EXPLODE. 
          I ACTUALLY SAW IT, SAW IT EXPLODE FROM OUR WINDOW ON THE, ON JUST RIGHT HERE IN TOWN A FEW YEARS BACK. 
          UM, BURNED UP THE WHOLE INTERSECTION, UM, OUT THERE. 
          SO HAZARDOUS MATERIALS, UM, WHETHER THEY'RE, UM, IN TRANSIT OR WHETHER THEY'RE IN THE GROUND READY. 
          SO IF WE DO HAVE LOTS OF SITES, UM, IF THAT'S WHAT IT MEANS IS THAT WE'RE GONNA DO SITE REMEDIATION ON ALL OUR BROWN SITES OR WE'RE GOING TO, UM, ON, IN ANY TIME YOU, I SAY IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, IF WE HAVE NEW DEVELOPMENT COMING IN, THE SOIL SAMPLING, IF WE HAVE TO DO A SITE REMEDIATION OF THAT BEFORE WE DO ANY BUILDING PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT REQUIRED, UH, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. 
          SO, UM, WE NEED TO EDUCATE FOLKS ON WHAT DOES SITE REMEDIATION ACTUALLY MEAN. 
          UM, AND I'M SURE IF YOU CAN EXTEND THAT PHRASE OUT TO KIND OF EXPLAIN IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ANY FINAL CONCLUDING THOUGHTS ON THE SAFETY FRAMEWORK? I KNOW ANN, I MENTIONED YOU MIGHT GET A OPPORTUNITY TO RE-HIGHLIGHT SOME OF YOUR TOP FAVORITES. 
          I'LL EXTEND THAT TO EVERYONE. 
          YOU CAN ALSO, AGAIN, FILL THAT OUT IN THE FORM. 
          BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, ANYBODY, ANYTHING ELSE RELATED TO SAFETY? UM, I WOULD JUST SAY, I MEAN, I CAN DO MY TOP ONES IF YOU WANT, BUT I'M ALSO GONNA SUBMIT IT. 
          BUT, UM, SORT OF WENT THROUGH QUICKLY THE, UM, PREPARING THE COMMUNITY FOR EMERGENCIES, LIKE BASICALLY ONE AND TWO, UM, AND EDUCATING THE PUBLIC ON LIKE RISK REDUCTION. 
          AND I THINK THOSE TWO THINGS ARE SUPER IMPORTANT. 
          UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, HAVING THE COMMUNITY BE AWARE OF WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT COULD HAPPEN AND HOW THEY CAN PREPARE FOR IT, AND YOU KNOW, WHAT TO DO WHEN IT DOES HAPPEN, UM, IS JUST ESSENTIAL FOR, YOU KNOW, SAVING LIVES. 
          AND, UM, WHEN THESE THINGS HAPPEN. 
          'CAUSE IT'S NOT A MATTER OF IF I WOULD HAVE A REALLY HARD TIME OTHER THAN THE ONES THAT I'VE ALREADY MENTIONED AS RISING TO THE TOP FOR ME OF, OF RANKING THEM. 
          I, AGAIN, I JUST VIEW THESE, SO MANY OF THESE THINGS AS A, WE MUST DO THESE THINGS. 
          UM, I DO HAVE ONE SORT OF OVERARCHING COMMENT REGARDING THE TWO FRAMEWORKS WE'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT, WHICH HONESTLY SEEMS LIKE TOO MUCH  TO DO IN ONE NIGHT. 
          UM, BUT I THOUGHT THEY REALLY COULD AND POTENTIALLY SHOULD BE CONSOLIDATED INTO A SINGLE FRAMEWORK BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF, UM, CROSSWALK IN TERMS OF THE, UM, FLOOD RISK IS, YOU KNOW, ONE ASPECT OF SAFETY. 
          IT'S, IT'S NOT MAYBE ONLY ABOUT SAFETY, BUT THESE THINGS ARE SO INTERTWINED AT A MINIMUM, IF THEY'RE NOT COMBINED, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE IN CERTAIN POLICIES, AT LEAST A REALLY GOOD CROSSWALK, UM, WITH MENTION OF THE RELEVANCY A ACROSS THESE TWO DIFFERENT FRAMEWORKS. 
          AND MAYBE THAT'LL SHOW UP IN HOW THESE ALL, UM, PERCOLATE INTO THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          BUT JUST WANTED TO RAISE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          I, UH, I WILL JUST REITERATE MY DESIRE FOR A GOAL RELATED TO AIR QUALITY, WHICH INCLUDES POLICIES RELATED TO BOTH OUTDOOR AIR QUALITY AND INDOOR AIR QUALITY. 
          AND THEN ALSO, UM, EITHER A HIGH LEVEL GOAL OR EXPLICIT POLICIES RELATED TO EXTREME TEMPERATURES. 
          UH, I THINK THOSE TWO THINGS, UH, COULD BE ELEVATED IN THE, UH, THE CREATION OF THE FUTURE DOCUMENTS. 
          UH, WITH THAT, I THINK WE ARE ON TO, UH, FLOOD RESILIENCE CHAIR. 
          WOULD YOU MIND IF WE TOOK A TWO MINUTE BIO BREAK? UH, YEAH, LET'S, LET'S DO FIVE MINUTES. 
          LAST TIME WE DID FIVE MINUTES. 
          IT WAS 10 MINUTES. 
          SO THIS TIME WE'RE GONNA DO TWO MINUTES AND IT'S GONNA BE FIVE MINUTES, 
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2:00 PM 
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WE ARE BACK IN SESSION AND WE ARE GOING TO GO OVER THE, UH, FLOOD RESILIENCE, UH, POLICY FRAMEWORK. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA GO PRETTY QUICK THROUGH SOME OF THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION. 
          'CAUSE I KNOW YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN THIS AND YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN THE MATERIAL AND THE FLOOD MAPPING PROCESS, SO WE'LL, WE'LL GO PRETTY QUICK. 
          ALL THAT'S, UM, RECORDED IF ANYBODY WANTS TO GO THROUGH IT AGAIN. 
          SO AGAIN, CONCEPTUALIZING OUR PLACE IN THE WATERSHED, WE'RE A PRETTY UNIQUE SPOT. 
          WE'VE GOT THE USUAL RAIN. 
          WE THINK OF RAIN COMING DOWN, GOING OUT NEXT. 
          WE'VE ALSO GOT STORM SURGE COMING UP. 
          AND THE REALITY OF CLIMATE CHANGE IS THAT WE HAVE HISTORICALLY USUALLY THOUGHT OF OURSELVES AS BEING THREATENED BY WATER COMING DOWN. 
          WE WILL INCREASINGLY OVER THE COMING DECADES, BE THREATENED BY WATER COMING UP FROM THE BAY. 
          NEXT. 
          WE HAVE, UH, ALWAYS HAD A PRETTY GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF THE CURRENT FLOOD HAZARD, THE FEMA FIRM PRODUCTS THAT DESCRIBE, UH, MOST COMMONLY THAT A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD, THAT FLOOD THAT HAS A 1% CHANCE OF HAPPENING EACH YEAR, UM, ARE VERY USEFUL TOOLS FOR ASSESSING CURRENT HAZARD. 
          THEY'RE VERY GOOD AT DOING THAT. 
          THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE FOR. 
          THEY'RE INSURANCE MAPS. 
          THEY'RE NOT PLANNING TOOLS, BUT THEY'VE BEEN THE THING WE HAD FOR SO LONG, THEY'VE BEEN THE ONLY THING WE HAD. 
          AND SO WE'VE BEEN USING THOSE AS OUR PLANNING TOOLS AND, UM, JURISDICTIONS ARE STARTING NOW, UH, TO START SAYING, OKAY, THE, THE FUTURE CONDITIONS ARE THE DRIVER OF FLOOD PLANNING AND WE HAVE TO LOOK PRETTY FAR OUT AS WELL. 
          THE GENERAL PLAN MIGHT ONLY HAVE A COUPLE DECADES, UH, WHERE IT WILL BE FUNCTIONAL, UH, OR WILL BE USED, BUT THE BUILDINGS THAT GET BUILT, THE CITY DECISIONS WE MAKE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE WE INVEST IN IS SURELY GOING TO LAST UNTIL THE END OF CENTURY, IF NOT LONGER. 
          NEXT, SO SNEAK PEAK, UH, TO SOME POLICIES THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT LATER, BUT THIS IS THE BIG SHIFT WAS LET'S BUILD THIS GENERAL PLAN ON AN UNDERSTANDING OF FUTURE FLOOD CONDITION. 
          SO REALLY EXTENSIVE MODELING PROCESS AND FLOOD MAPPING PROCESS WAS DONE THAT CONSIDERED SEA LEVEL RISE CHANGES OVER THE NEXT, UM, 30 TO 80 YEARS. 
          AND IT REALLY USED THE BEST AVAILABLE INFORMATION THAT WE HAD AT THE TIME. 
          UM, UH, A REALLY RIGOROUS MODEL THAT TRUTHS ITSELF VERY WELL AND APPEARS TO BE QUITE RELIABLE AND A REALLY CUSTOMIZED TWO PETALUMA TOOL, UM, THAT REALLY USES ALL THE DATA THAT WE'VE GOT HERE. 
          MUCH BETTER THAN THE REGIONAL PLANNING TOOLS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY AVAILABLE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          AND WHAT IT OUTPUT WERE THESE FLOOD MAPS, AND THERE'S A LOT, UH, YOU'LL SEE THEM IN THE FRAMEWORK IN VERY SMALL FORM. 
          UM, THEY'RE ALL AVAILABLE ON PLANNED PETALUMA TO BE ZOOMED IN. 
          AND YOU CAN GET ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE PARCEL LEVEL. 
          AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS SHOWING DIFFERENT SCENARIOS BASED ON THREE SEA, SEA LEVEL RISE 
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PREDICTIONS, 1.9 FEET, 3.4 FEET, AND 6.9 FEET, WHICH GIVES US A GOOD SWATH OF THE PREDICTED, UH, SEA LEVEL CONDITIONS OVER THE NEXT, UH, UNTIL THE END OF THE CENTURY AND A LITTLE BIT BEYOND. 
          AND THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT PERMUTATIONS OF THEM, PRIMARILY THE ONES THAT DESCRIBE RAINFALL AND STORM SURGE, WHICH ARE THOSE EXTREME EVENTS THAT HAVE A LOW LIKELIHOOD OF HAPPENING. 
          BUT AS SEA LEVEL RISES, WE START GETTING MORE AND MORE HAZARD FROM JUST THAT BLUE SKY GUARANTEED TO HAPPEN TWO TO THREE TIMES A YEAR. 
          KING TIDES, AS SEA LEVEL GOES UP, THOSE START ACTUALLY HITTING US. 
          AND SO THAT'S ALSO A DEPARTURE FROM A TRADITIONAL WAY OF THINKING ABOUT, UH, FLOOD RESILIENCE, IS WE NEED TO HAVE DIFFERENT, NEW STANDARDS THAT ADDRESS KING TIDES, BECAUSE THAT'S BASICALLY WHERE HIGH, THAT'S WHERE THE WATER LEVEL WILL BE, AND IT'S GUARANTEED TO HAPPEN ONCE YOU START GETTING THOSE SEA LEVEL CONDITIONS. 
          SO THESE MAPS LET US ZOOM IN. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, I REALLY RECOMMEND, UM, PLAYING AROUND WITH THESE, UM, THE, THEY'RE SHOWN WITH THESE COLOR CORD COLOR SCHEMES SO THAT THEY TRY AND CONVEY, UH, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN THE HAZARD BETWEEN SOMETHING THAT'S LESS THAN A FOOT AND SOMETHING THAT'S A FOOT, TWO FEET, THREE FEET. 
          AND SO THIS COLOR COORDINATION, IT'S A NEW WAY OF SHOWING IT. 
          IT'S NOT HOW FEMA DOES IT. 
          FEMA DOES A BIG BLUE BLOB, UH, AND GIVES NO IN NO NO GREAT INDICATION ABOUT, WELL, IS THAT IN THE HOUSE OR IS IT JUST IN THE CURB AND GUTTER, WHICH, OKAY, THAT'S A DIFFERENT SORT OF CONCERN. 
          YES. 
          UM, JUST A COMMENT ON, UH, SINCE I, I GO TO SCHOENBERGER QUITE A BIT. 
          I'VE BEEN THERE VERY OFTEN DOING ALL SORTS OF THINGS. 
          AND, UH, FIRST OFF, I NEED TO, THAT ACTUALLY EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT IT, YOU'RE POINTING AT THE WRONG PLACE. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S MARSH. 
          THAT'S, UM, UM, YEAH. 
          GRAY'S MARSH OF THE ALICE CREEK. 
          THAT'S ACTUALLY BEING POINTED TO. 
          UM, AND WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND ABOUT THIS, UH, THE SYSTEM AND THE MAP IS BECAUSE THE SCHOENBERGER, THE, THE POND AREA HAS SUCH STEEP DING ON IT SURROUNDING IT, EVEN THOUGH IT IS CONCAVE. 
          UM, ARE, ARE, ARE WE ASSUMING THAT THE DIKES ARE GONNA GET BROKEN AND THEN THE WATER'S GONNA FILL IN? UH, BUT IT'S A LOWER ELEVATION WITH THE MODEL C SINCE, OH, WATER MUST BE THERE IF IT'S A LOWER ELEVATION. 
          BUT DOES THE MODEL CONSIDER, UH, THE DING SYSTEMS AROUND PROTECTING IT, UM, SO THAT IT REALLY, THE, THE CENTRAL POND SHOULD NOT BE FLOODING AT ALL IF ONCE IT'S CLOSED UP? SO I'M WONDERING IF, IF THE MODEL REALLY CONSIDERS, UM, THE DING SYSTEMS THAT ARE PROTECTIVE OF THOSE LOW AREAS. 
          UH, 'CAUSE WHAT I'M SEEING HERE IS IT, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT DOES IN THE DOWNSTREAM PORTIONS OF THE CITY. 
          THE, THOSE PORTIONS OF THE CITY THAT ARE AFFECTED NOT REALLY AS MUCH BY RAINFALL, FLOODING AS IN WATER GETTING UP OUT OF A CREEK IN THE DOWNSTREAM, THEY'RE REALLY MORE AFFECTED BY THAT STORM SURGE OF WATER MOVING ITS WAY UP A RIVER FROM THE BAY. 
          SO IN THOSE LOWER PARTS OF THE CITY THAT ARE SHOWING STORM SURGE MAPPING, IT'S CALLED A BATHTUB MODEL THAT BASICALLY JUST LOOKS AT, WE KNOW WHAT THAT WATER LEVEL IN THE RIVER WOULD BE. 
          AND THE MODEL LOOKS FOR ALL LOCATIONS THAT ARE LOWER THAN THAT LEVEL AND ASSUMES THAT THAT RIVER MAKES ITS WAY TO THOSE LOW SPOTS. 
          THAT'S PARTLY BECAUSE THE MODEL CAN'T BE SO DETAILED TO KNOW WHERE EVERY SINGLE PIPE IS. 
          SO SOMETIMES YOU ASSUME, WELL, THAT LOW SPOT PROBABLY HAS A STORM DRAIN AND THAT MIGHT BE RUNNING BACKWARDS AND LETTING WATER GET INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, SO THAT IT SHOWS THAT AREA IS FLOODED, IS SAYING THE RIVER HAS THE CAPABILITY OF GETTING WATER INTO THERE. 
          SOMETIMES THESE MODELS ARE ADJUSTED WHERE IF THAT WAS A CERTIFIED LEVY THAT WAS ACTUALLY CERTIFIED BY THE US ARMY CORPS AND WE KNOW THAT IT HAS NO LEAKS, IT'S GOT NO HOLES, AND WE KNOW IT WON'T FAIL, THEN SOMETIMES YOU CAN PULL THOSE AREAS OUT OF THE MAP. 
          BUT THIS ONE FOR NOW IS JUST SHOWING THIS KINDA LONG-TERM, WORST CASE SCENARIO OF WHAT IF, UH, WE CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT WATER WON'T MAKE IT INTO THAT LOW SPOT. 
          SO IT'S SHOWING AS HAVING WATER IN IT. 
          GOOD. 
          I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTOOD THAT DIFFERENCE THERE. 
          UM, AND BECAUSE I KNOW DING IS TRADITIONALLY WHAT WE'VE BEEN USING ALL IN THE ADES DOWN IN THE SOUTH PEDAL OF THE MARSH, AND WHETHER, UH, DING, UM, ESPECIALLY LOOKING AT THE MODEL FOR MAKING DECISIONS, DIKING WOULD HAVE TO BE CERTIFIED BEFORE IT COULD, THE MODEL WOULD ACTUALLY COMPENSATE FOR THE DIKING, UH, PROTECTION. 
          THAT'S, SO THAT, THAT'S A CONCERN I WOULD HAVE FOR DOWN, DOWN THE ROAD AS WE BUILD MORE DIKES FOR THE SEA LEVEL RISE, WHETHER OR NOT THE MODELS WOULD SHOW THAT PROTECTION AND WHETHER OR NOT WE COULD HAVE FLOOD INSURANCE, UH, DOWNGRADED, UH, FOR COST IN THOSE LOCATIONS WHERE WE DID D**E, THINGS LIKE THOSE. 
          'CAUSE THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE ISSUES OF, UH, FOR, UH, FOR POLICIES COMING UP I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT IS HOW CAN WE BETTER SERVE OUR CITIZENS FOR FLOOD INSURANCE IF WE TAKE CERTAIN ACTIONS, UM, BASED ON WHAT, WHAT THESE MODELS ARE SHOWING. 
          YEAH. 
          IMPORTANT DISTINCTION IN THESE MAPS IS 
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THESE ARE PLANNING TOOLS FOR THE CITY. 
          THEY ARE NOT MAP PRODUCTS THAT GET SENT TO FEMA. 
          IN FACT, FEMA DOESN'T WANT TO SEE THESE. 
          FEMA WANTS, UH, THERE'S A PROCESS GOING ON RIGHT NOW OF UPDATING THE FEMA FIRM MAP. 
          IT'S GONNA TAKE QUITE A WHILE. 
          AND IT'S A PRETTY RIGOROUS PROCESS WITH A LOT OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THAT IS A DIFFERENT MAP THAN THIS. 
          'CAUSE FEMA ONLY WANTS TO KNOW ABOUT THE CURRENT FLOOD. 
          THEY, AND THAT'S WHAT THE INSURANCE RATES ARE BASED ON. 
          THAT'S WHAT THE, THE ASSESSMENT OF ARE YOU AT RISK OR NOT RIGHT NOW IS BASED ON THE FIRM MAP, WHICH IS, WE'RE KIND OF DIS WHICH IS NOT THE FOCUS OF THE FLOOD POLICY FRAMEWORK BECAUSE AGAIN, GENERAL PLAN, WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO DO 20, 50, 80 YEARS IN THE FUTURE. 
          NOW, THOSE PROTECTIONS THAT WE DO TO PROTECT US FROM FUTURE FLOODS, THAT MIGHT HELP US POSITION FOR BETTER, UM, COMMUNITY RATING SCORE, UH, SYSTEM SCORES THAT COULD HELP US WITH OUR, UH, INSURANCE DISCOUNTS THAT WE GET. 
          RIGHT NOW, UH, PETALUMA GETS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT DISCOUNTS ON FLOOD INSURANCE 'CAUSE OF OUR HIGH HIGH RATING. 
          UM, SO IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THESE PRODUCTS AREN'T HELPFUL FOR THAT, BUT THIS ISN'T A PRODUCT THAT FEMA WILL MUCH CARE ABOUT. 
          UH, IT'S A PLANNING TOOL FOR THE CITY. 
          SO THE, I I GUESS, UM, YEAH, I HAD SOME KIND OF RELATED QUESTIONS AT THE LAST MEETING WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT THE MAPS, WE TALKED ABOUT LEISURE LAKE, AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT A LEVEE THAT EXISTS THERE THAT WAS NOT IN THE MODEL BECAUSE IT WAS NOT A CERTIFIED LEVEE. 
          AND SO, UH, NUMBER ONE, DO WE HAVE A MAP OF THE LEVIES AND WHICH ONES ARE CERTIFIED OR NOT? OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD CREATE AS PART OF THIS PROCESS? THE, YEAH, THE DATA EXISTS. 
          UM, PAM, IF SHE'S STILL ON THE LINE, COULD SPEAK TO IF THAT'S A READILY AVAILABLE PRODUCT THAT IS AVAILABLE ON THE FEMA WEBSITE OR IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO RENDER TO, TO OKAY. 
          TO SHOW IT. 
          AND THEN, UM, THEY'RE ALL KNOWN. 
          A, A RELATED QUESTION IS THEN THE LIKE PROCESS TO CERTIFY THE LEVEES. 
          AND THAT SEEMS LIKE THE RIGHT THING TO DO, BUT PROBABLY A HUGE, UM, BURDEN. 
          AND SO THE QUESTION IS CAN WE BUILD MORE UNCERTIFIED LEVIES? AND IF SO, WE SHOULD POSSIBLY CONSIDER POLICIES AROUND THAT. 
          LIKE, I DIDN'T EXACTLY SEE ANY MENTION OF LEVIES OR DIKES IN THIS, ALTHOUGH IT'S LIKE CRITICAL TO WHAT WE HAVE DONE AND PROBABLY WHAT WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO, UM, BUT IS IS NOT EXPLICITLY STATED. 
          MM-HMM, . 
          YEAH. 
          I'M NOT TOO F I'D HAVE TO GO LOOKING AROUND FOR PRECEDENTS FOR THE NOTION OF BUILDING NEW LEVEES THAT ARE NOT INTENDED TO BE ARMY CORPS CERTIFIED. 
          THIS PRETTY MUCH, YOU ALWAYS TRY AND GET THEM CERTIFIED. 
          'CAUSE NOT ONLY DO YOU WANT THE SAFETY THEY PROVIDE, YOU ALSO WANT TO DOCUMENT THE SAFETY THEY PROVIDE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT'S DONE THROUGH THE CERTIFICATION PROCESS. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, SAME THING WITH FLOOD WALLS. 
          UH MM-HMM. 
          , SAME THING. 
          UM, LIKE THAT'S THE IDEAL, BUT IT'S LIKE, HEY, IT'S OCTOBER AND WE KNOW THERE'S A HUGE ATMOSPHERIC RIVER COMING AND LET'S BUILD A D**E AT LEISURE LAKE OR EXPAND THE D**E AT LEISURE LAKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE TO HELP THOSE PEOPLE. 
          AND SO THAT IS AN ACTION AND A POLICY WE COULD CONSIDER. 
          AND I THINK PEOPLE WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF THAT IF, YOU KNOW, FEMA IS NOT PREVENTING US FROM DOING THAT. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE SOME OF THIS STUFF AND, YOU KNOW, WE WILL GET INTO IT IN LIKE THE SPECIFIC FRAMEWORKS OR IT'S LIKE, A LOT OF IT'S BASED ON LIKE FEMA RULES AND MAPS AND FUTURE PLANNING AND STUFF VERSUS LIKE WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT IS LIKE THE SAFETY PLAN, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THE, LIKE, THERE WASN'T NECESSARILY A EMERGENCY FLOOD ACTIONS OR POLICIES IN THAT DOCUMENT THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT. 
          AND SO THERE'S SOMEWHAT OF A DISCONNECT BETWEEN, LIKE, THIS DOCUMENT IS MORE FORWARD THINKING AROUND LIKE, HEY, HOW DO WE DEAL WITH THIS FUTURE THING THAT'S GONNA COME RIGHT AWAY? BUT LIKE, THERE'S THE IMMEDIATE THING OF LIKE, THIS FLOODING HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. 
          CAN WE BUILD SOME DIKES? AND IF SO, LIKE WHAT SHOULD OUR POLICIES BE AROUND THAT? SO SEBASTIAN, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO ADD JUST A LITTLE TO THAT IF IT WOULD HELP? YES, PLEASE. 
          UM, UH, HI. 
          THIS IS PAMELA TUFT. 
          UM, WE ARE THROUGH OUR PARTICIPATION IN THE FEMA NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE COMMUNITY RATING SYSTEM PROGRAM, AS SEBASTIAN MENTIONED, UM, ALWAYS LOOKING FOR FEMA FUNDS, UM, TO FORTIFY THE EXISTING, UH, LEVEE, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, THE ONE THAT IS ALONG OLD DENMAN ROAD, 
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UM, NEXT TO LEISURE LAKE. 
          UM, AND WE WOULD LOVE TO, UM, TAKE A STAB AT THAT, UM, TO, UH, IMPROVE IT AND FORTIFY IT AND FACT EVEN RAISE IT A LITTLE, UM, TO PROVIDE EVEN MORE PROTECTION FROM, FROM LEISURE LAKE. 
          UM, BUT FOR, SINCE YOU USED LEISURE LAKE AS AN EXAMPLE, THE, UM, THE LEVY IS, UM, NOT RECOGNIZED BY THE FEMA FIRM, THE FLOOD INSURANCE RATE MAP, AS SEBASTIAN SAID. 
          UM, BUT IF WE COULD GET IT CERTIFIED, IT WOULD BE, UM, BUT WE WOULD STILL NEED TO ADDRESS THE FACT THAT THAT STONY POINT GOES UNDER AND THE AREA AROUND LEISURE LAKE PROHIBITS THOSE PEOPLE FROM E EXITING, WHICH IS WHY IN IN THE LAST 30 YEARS, WE HAVE DONE ADVISORY EVACUATIONS OF LEISURE LAKE JUST BECAUSE IF IT GOT WORSE, UH, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO GET IN THERE TO GET THEM OUT, UH, SAFELY. 
          BUT AS WE'VE LOOKED AT THESE SEA LEVEL RISE MAPS THAT SEBASTIAN IS PRESENTING TO YOU, WE ARE ALREADY STARTING TO IDENTIFY AND LOOK FOR VIABLE PROJECTS THAT WOULD REDUCE, UM, OUT OF BANK FLOODING BY THE ATMOSPHERIC RIVER, UH, THE CHANGES OF, OF PRECIPITATION PATTERNS AND INTENSITY. 
          UM, AND THAT'S, UH, ONE OF THE GREAT, UM, TOOLS THAT WE CAN USE THESE MAPS, UH, FOR AS WE, UH, PROCEED TO, TO IMPLEMENT A FLOOD REDUCTION PROJECTS. 
          DOES THAT HELP A LITTLE? YEAH, NO, THAT WAS SUPER HELPFUL. 
          AND I, I DON'T NECESSARILY NEED A RESPONSE. 
          IT'S LIKE THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL IS LIKE, THE CITY IS WORKING ON THIS VERY CLEARLY, AND THERE'S LIKE A PLAN AND ALL OF THAT, AND IT'S LIKE, IT DOESN'T QUITE SHOW UP IN THE FRAMEWORK, AND THAT'S OKAY, BUT IT SHOULD SHOW UP IN WHATEVER THE FUTURE THING THAT THE FRAMEWORK BECOMES, YOU KNOW, LIKE, IT MIGHT POSSIBLY FALL UNDER LIKE POLICY 1.3, REDUCE CURRENT RISK, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT'S SUCH A BROAD THING AND THERE ISN'T THAT MANY ACTIONS TO IT. 
          AND SO, LIKE WHAT WE ARE DOING AND THE EXPERTISE WE HAVE IS GREAT, AND IT WOULD BE GOOD TO LIFT IT UP, BUT LIKE THE KNOWLEDGE THAT WE HAVE UNCERTIFIED LEVEES, LIKE DIDN'T EVEN COME UP IN THE OFFICIAL PRESENTATION FROM LAST TIME. 
          AND SO IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT, HOPEFULLY WE NEVER GET THERE, BUT LIKE IF PEOPLE ARE LIKE, HERE'S THE MAP OF YOUR LEVEE THAT'S FAILING, LIKE, GO FIX IT YOURSELF. 
          LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE MAY NEED TO BE THERE AT SOME POINT. 
          AND SO THAT'S THE TYPE OF EMERGENCY I THINK WE NEED TO BE COGNIZANT OF IN THE GENERAL PLAN IS LIKE, WE CAN DO THE BEST WE CAN NOW, BUT AT SOME POINT, LIKE PEOPLE MAY BE ON THEIR OWN TO DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO TO REDUCE THIS TYPE OF RISK. 
          OKAY, CONTINUE. 
          SO THE OVERALL FRAMEWORK IS BROKEN INTO SEVEN GOALS. 
          THEY'RE THOUGHT OF, NOT REALLY SEQUENTIALLY, BUT INSTEAD MORE OF A, LIKE A WORK PLAN. 
          WHAT, WHAT STEPS DO YOU HAVE TO TAKE? BECAUSE EACH ONE IS SOMEWHAT RELIANT ON THE PREVIOUS, EXCEPT FOR OF COURSE, UM, THIS FFR SEVEN AROUND ENGAGEMENT AND EMPOWERMENT. 
          SO STARTING OFF, UH, AND WE'LL GO THROUGH THESE ONE BY ONE, BUT THE FIRST GOAL IS ENSURING THAT WE HAVE SECURITY AGAINST THE EXISTING FLOOD CONDITIONS. 
          UM, AND THAT HAS BEEN, THAT'S MORE OF A EVOLUTION OF CURRENT POLICIES. 
          WE'VE HAD SORT, WE'VE HAD THAT AS A GOAL, UH, PRETTY MUCH ALWAYS UNDER TWO IS REALLY BRING, THIS IS WHERE THIS FRAMEWORK DIVERGES FROM PREVIOUS WAYS OF THINKING ABOUT FLOOD RESILIENCE IS THAT WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE FUTURE FLOOD IN GOAL TWO, SO THAT IN GOAL THREE WE CAN DEVELOP THIS FLOOD ADAPTATION MASTER PLAN. 
          IT'S A NEW CONCEPT THAT SAYS WHAT IS THE FLOOD? UH, WHAT IS OUR PLAN TO ADDRESS FLOODING OVER THE COMING DECADES? IT'S NOT TO SAY, WHAT DO YOU BUILD RIGHT NOW? BECAUSE MOST OF THESE THINGS WE DON'T NEED TO BUILD RIGHT NOW. 
          UH, IN FACT, WE PROBABLY DON'T WANT TO BUILD THEM RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THEY COME WITH SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS. 
          BUT WE DO NEED TO HAVE ENOUGH OF A PLAN NOW SO THAT WE MAINTAIN THE OPPORTUNITIES TO ADAPT IN THE FUTURE. 
          GOAL FOUR IS FOCUSED, UH, IT'S A PRETTY SMALL GOAL AND IT'S MOSTLY FOCUSED ON PREEMPTIVE PLANNING FOR, WE KNOW THAT A FLOOD WILL HIT US AT SOME POINT DESPITE BEST EFFORTS. 
          UM, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO BEFORE THEN SO THAT OUR RECOVERY IS IN ALIGNMENT WITH OUR LONG-TERM GOALS AND OUR, AND OUR, AND OUR VALUES, AND ISN'T JUST AN EMERGENCY RESPONSE IN FIVE. 
          WE LOOK INTO WHAT DO WE NEED TO CHANGE ABOUT THE WAY WE BUILD THINGS IN THE CITY RIGHT NOW SO THAT THEY'RE 
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ACTUALLY BUILT READY FOR FUTURE CONDITIONS OR AT LEAST READY TO ADAPT TO FUTURE CONDITIONS. 
          AND IN SIX, WE'RE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT WHAT THINGS THE CITY IS DOING SO THAT CAPTURES ARE, UH, FLOOD RESILIENT OR FLOOD PROTECTION EFFORTS, UM, FLOOD CONTROL EFFORTS, AND ALSO, UH, ENSURING THAT WHAT THE CITY BUILDS IN TERMS OF INFRASTRUCTURE OR ASSETS ARE ALSO HAVE A PLAN FOR HOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE, UM, HOW THEY'RE INHERENTLY SAFE AGAINST FLOOD AND HOW THEY HAVE THE ABILITY IN THE FUTURE TO, TO MAKE THEMSELVES SAFE AGAINST FUTURE FLOOD. 
          THE PAUSE I'D LIKE TO DO RIGHT HERE IS, IF WE REALLY BOIL THIS ALL DOWN TO THE FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS FOLLOWING THE FRAMEWORK THAT'S KIND OF LAID OUT BY A COUPLE DIFFERENT BAY AREA, UH, JURISDICTIONS AND GROUPS, UM, WHICH ARE ALL KIND OF COLLA CENTERING AROUND THIS CONCEPT OF THE FLOOD ADAPTATION PATHWAY. 
          IT'S THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE CAN'T DO EVERYTHING NOW AND WE DON'T WANT TO DO EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW, AND WE SHOULDN'T DO EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW, BUT WE NEED TO DO ENOUGH SO THAT WE'RE ABLE TO ADAPT. 
          AND SO IF YOU HAD THIS SPECTRUM OF ADAPTATION, IF YOU HAD, ON ONE HAND, LET'S PRETEND CLIMATE CHANGE ISN'T GONNA HAPPEN. 
          LET'S PRETEND SEA LEVEL'S NOT RISING. 
          LET'S PRETEND STORMS AREN'T GETTING MORE INTENSE, DO NOTHING EXTRA. 
          WELL, OF COURSE WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ON THAT END OF THE SPECTRUM. 
          AND ON THE OTHER END OF THE SPECTRUM, YOU WOULD SAY, LET'S PICK THE WORST CASE POSSIBLE. 
          CLIMATE FLOOD CONDITIONS, THE FARTHEST OUT, WE CAN THINK OF THEM, 2,500, THE YEAR 3000, AND LET'S BUILD EVERYTHING WE NEED FOR THAT CONDITION. 
          WELL, OF COURSE, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT EITHER. 
          WE'RE GONNA FIND FALL SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE. 
          AND THE FUN, THIS FUNDAMENTAL BALANCE THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IN THIS FRAMEWORK AND WHERE WE NEED INPUT IS, ARE WE FINDING THE RIGHT BALANCE POINT WHERE WE'RE DOING ENOUGH NOW TO BE SAFE RIGHT NOW, AND SO THAT IN THE, WE ARE SAFE SOMEWHAT INTO THE FUTURE, AND WE KEEP THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADAPT AS CONDITIONS CHANGE WITHOUT UNDULY INHIBITING. 
          THE OTHER THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO DO RIGHT NOW, A SIMPLE ONE BEING WE COULD BUILD FLOOD WALLS RIGHT NOW, THEY HAVE A BIG ECOLOGICAL IMPACT, A BIG COMMERCIAL, A BIG ECONOMIC IMPACT TO THE CITY, AND THEY'VE GOT A BIG CARBON FOOTPRINT. 
          UH, WE DON'T NEED THEM RIGHT NOW BECAUSE SEA LEVEL RISE, SEA LEVELS AREN'T THAT HIGH. 
          UM, SO WE PROBABLY DON'T WANNA DO THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT WE PROBABLY DO WANT TO FIGURE OUT SOON WHERE DO THEY GO? HOW ARE WE GONNA PAY FOR THEM? HOW ARE WE GOING TO BUILD THEM? SO THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF HOW FAR ALONG IN THE PROCESS DO WE WANT TO, HOW QUICKLY ALONG THE PROCESS DO WE WANT TO GO? AND JUST AS A REMINDER, THOSE FLOOD MAPS THAT WE'VE SEEN, THOSE ARE ALL VERY LOW PROBABILITY EVENTS. 
          UM, THOSE PREDICTIONS ARE USING PRETTY PESSIMISTIC VIEWS OF CLIMATE CHANGE. 
          AND THEY, THEY SHOW AREAS OF FLOODING AS IF WE DO NOTHING OVER THE NEXT 30 TO 80 YEARS TO PREVENT FLOODS. 
          SO THEY'RE SHOWING THIS, THIS, UH, KIND OF DIRE CASE OF IF WE DO NOTHING AND THINGS GO PRETTY MUCH AS BAD AS THEY CAN, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS. 
          AND THE QUESTION NOW IS HOW DO WE SET UP POLICIES SO THAT IF THAT WERE TO BE THE CASE, HOW WOULD WE, UH, ADAPT TO IT? SO IN GOAL ONE, GOAL ONE IS THE SAFE FROM CURRENT FLOOD. 
          WHAT THIS BASICALLY IS, IS SAYING, UH, THIS LAYS OUT SOME BUILDING STANDARDS THAT SAY, UH, HOW SAFE DO YOU HAVE TO BE RIGHT NOW? AND THIS IS MO MOSTLY LOOKING AT PARCEL LEVEL E EFFORTS. 
          ONE OF THE INTENTIONS OF HAVING THIS IS THAT WE WANT THESE SORTS OF POLICIES TO GO IN PLACE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. 
          UM, WHAT THIS ONE DOES, THE BIG SHIFT IT DOES IS WE'VE ALWAYS BUILT TO FEMA. 
          WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE CURRENT FLOOD THAN WHAT FEMA HAS PRINTED. 
          BECAUSE THAT MAP IS OLD AND WE HAVE A NEW MODEL, WE HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE CURRENT CURRENT FLOOD. 
          IT'S USING BETTER DATA, IT'S USING BETTER SOFTWARE. 
          UM, WE DON'T WANT TO BE BEHOLDEN TO JUST USING FEMAS IF OUR NEW DATA SAYS THINGS MIGHT BE WORSE. 
          SO WHAT THIS POLICY DOES IS SAY, HISTORICALLY YOU HAD TO LOOK AT FEMA AND GO A BIT ABOVE THAT. 
          WE'RE SAYING YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT FEMA OF COURSE, AND, AND YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT OURS, AND YOU GOTTA MAKE SURE YOU'RE ABOVE BOTH. 
          AND WHAT IT DOES IS TAKE A CURRENT GENERAL PLAN POLICY THAT FOR THE MOST PART, SETS YOUR FLOOR ELEVATION AT ONE FOOT ABOVE THE FEMA LEVEL FOR MOST OF THE CITY TWO FEET IN CERTAIN PARTS OF THE CITY. 
          AND WHAT THIS SIMPLIFIES THAT DOWN TO SAY, IN ALL PARTS OF THE CITY, TWO FEET ABOVE, WHICHEVER IS HIGHER, THE CITY'S MAP 
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OR FEMA'S MAP IS THE STANDARD FOR BUILDING NOW. 
          UM, PROVIDING THAT EXTRA, UH, PROVIDING A LITTLE BIT OF BUILT IN SAFETY TO EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BUILD CONSIDERATION OF FUTURE FLOODS HAPPENS IN SOME LATER POLICIES THAT YOU'LL SEE. 
          THE NOTION HERE IS, OF COURSE, WE ALWAYS HAVE TO MEET FEMA. 
          WE NEED THAT FOR OUR CRS. 
          WE CAN'T IGNORE THEIR MAPS, BUT THEY'RE NOT THE BEST MAPS ANYMORE. 
          AND WE WANT TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO, AS WE, YOU KNOW, WE WILL CYCLE OUR MAPS FASTER THAN WE WILL CYCLE THE FEMA UPDATE PROCESS, THE FEMA FIRM UPDATE PROCESS. 
          AND SO WE JUST WANT TO BE, HAVE THE ABILITY TO USE THE BEST ONE, BUT ALWAYS THE SAFEST ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THIS IS OUR FIRST GOAL HERE. 
          I THINK WE HAVE SEVEN GOALS, AND SO, YOU KNOW, TIME CHECK, MAYBE 10 MINUTES OF GOAL OR SOMETHING. 
          AND WE GET OUTTA HERE AROUND 10 O'CLOCK. 
          UM, SO, UH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, UH, GOAL ONE SAFE FROM THE CURRENT FLOOD, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE POLICIES OR ANYTHING TO ELEVATE? OKAY. 
          UM, I JUST HAVE A COUPLE THINGS. 
          UH, AND IT'S RELATED TO THE FIRST POLICY, AND IT'S KIND OF THE DEFINITION OF IT. 
          IF I DO ONE THING HERE TONIGHT, IT'S TO EXPAND THE DEFINITION OF POLICY 1.1. 
          IT SAYS, CONTINUE TO PROACTIVELY MODEL LOCAL CURRENT FLOOD CONDITIONS. 
          AND I'D LIKE TO ADD AN AND MAINTAIN MAPS OF PREVIOUS AND RECURRENT FLOODING. 
          THE ACTIONS ARE ALL ABOUT FORWARD LOOKING FLOODING. 
          AND I HIT THIS POINT TO DEATH AT THE LAST MEETING, BUT WE JUST NEED A MAP OF WHERE THE PLACES THAT REGULARLY FLOOD TODAY. 
          AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A 10 YEAR MAP, A FIVE YEAR MAP, A 20 YEAR MAP, MAYBE IT'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT MAPS, BUT JUST THE MAPS OF WHERE THE PLACES FLOOD TODAY ABSENT ANY OF THE FUTURE CHANGES. 
          AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SUPER HELPFUL FROM A GENERAL PLAN PERSPECTIVE. 
          AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE SAFETY FRAMEWORK, YOU KNOW, THE, YOU KNOW, WE WEREN'T, WE'D LEARN THE HARD WAY TWO OR ONE ATMOSPHERIC RIVERS AGO WHEN WE DIDN'T CLEAN THE STORM DRAINS, YOU KNOW, AND LIKE THAT WAS, THERE WAS FLOODING THERE, YOU KNOW, AND THAT WAS PREVENTABLE. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE UNDERSTAND THE CURRENT FLOOD CONDITIONS, MEANING THE CURRENT ONES AND THE MAPS OF LIKE WHERE OUR HOT PROBLEM AREAS ARE, THEN AS A COMMUNITY WE CAN BETTER MITIGATE THE RISKS OF THOSE. 
          UM, IF YOU, IF YOU COULD CLARIFY YEAH, THE, UH, THIS ACTION IS DESCRIBING THE, THE, THE OUTPUT OF THE MODEL OF WHAT IS EXPECTED TO BE AT RISK OF FLOODING NOW. 
          AND WE HAVE THAT AND THAT'S PUBLISHED. 
          UM, AND SO YOUR REQUEST IS TO HAVE MAPS OF SAY, UH, WHAT WAS THE 2005 FLOOD? WHAT AREAS WERE YEAH. 
          MM-HMM, , YEAH. 
          LIKE A MAP OF ALL THE FLOOD HISTORICAL MAP, RIGHT? IT'S NOT EVEN A MODEL, IT'S JUST LIKE THIS IS THE MAP OF WHERE IT HAS FLOODED HISTORICALLY. 
          THAT'S ALL IN PAM'S HEAD AND WE'VE GOTTA GET IT OUT OF IT. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, I MEAN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, AND IT, IT EXISTS OR IT POSSIBLY EXISTS OR, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU REALLY LOVE PIZZA, ANY PENNY OR DENNY'S, AND YOU GOT TO GO IN YOUR BOAT THERE ONCE A WINTER, LIKE, LET'S ALL THINK ABOUT THAT NOW. 
          UM, SO YEAH, THAT'S I GUESS THE, 'CAUSE THIS, A LOT OF IT STEMS FROM LIKE THIS GREAT MODELING WORK, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S LIKE, THAT SEEMS TO BE THE CORE OF A LOT OF THE GOALS AND POLICIES COME FROM THE MODELS. 
          AND IT'S LIKE, LET'S ALSO, IN ADDITION TO THE MODELS, JUST LOOK AT WHAT'S OUR RECENT EXPERIENCE. 
          UM, I HAD A QUESTION, THE LAST ACTION ON NUMBER 1.2 MENTIONS A SPECIAL HAZARD FLOOD AREA. 
          AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS, IF THAT'S A SPECIFIC MAP, IF THAT'S A OTHER MAP OR, UM, WHAT THAT EXACTLY IS THE SPECIAL HAZARD FLOOD AREA? YEAH. 
          WELL THAT, THAT'S A, THAT'S A FEMA TERM FOR THE FLOODPLAIN. 
          OKAY, GOT IT. 
          IT, IT, IT IS JUST, WE TRY TO USE THE FEMA TERMS WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FEMA PRODUCTS OR FEMA DESIGNATED AREAS. 
          IT WOULD INCLUDE THE FLOODWAY AND THE FLOODPLAIN IF YOU'RE LOOK USING YOUR ZONING ORDINANCE TERMS. YEAH. 
          BUT THE SFHA IS A FEMA TERM. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, YEAH, THAT'S HELPFUL. 
          I GUESS THAT'S MORE OF AN ACTION THAN A POLICY. 
          I KNOW THERE'S A WHOLE FLOODWAY DEVELOPMENT TOPIC THAT'S FLOATING AROUND IN THE COMMUNITY AND LIKE WHAT IS CONSIDERED TEMPORARY OR NOT. 
          AND SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THIS BODY WANTS TO GET INTO THAT, BUT LIKE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PROHIBITIONS, 
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UM, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST FROM A COMMUNITY PERSPECTIVE, THERE COULD BE MORE FLEXIBILITY IN WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT VERSUS LIKE BLANKET PROHIBITIONS ON THINGS. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I'LL JUST MENTION THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, IT'S, YOU KNOW, REALLY TUCKED WITHIN THE EXCEED FEMA STANDARDS. 
          AND SO, UM, THERE ARE SITUATIONS WHERE CERTAIN TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT MAY BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE WOULD WANNA DO THROUGH OUR GENERAL PLAN. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST, I GUESS MY COMMENT IS THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOME CONSIDERATION FOR FLEXIBILITY THAT'S BUILT INTO SOME OF THESE POLICIES. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, YEAH. 
          MM-HMM, . 
          OKAY. 
          JUST LOOKING AT, UH, WHAT YOU SHOWED EARLIER ON THE SLIDE, THE, THE, THE STEPS THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH AND, UM, JUST LOOKING AT THE MAIN POLICIES THAT WERE IN THE PRIOR SLIDE. 
          UM, SO I HAVE TWO CONCERNS IN GENERAL FOR THIS WHOLE PROCESS. 
          AND, UM, ONE OF THEM IS, UM, THIS IS ONLY LOOKING AT OUR CITY LIMITS AND ONLY LOOKING AT THE ACTUAL WATER ITSELF. 
          AND SO I THINK WE NEED TO THINK BIGGER THAN THOSE TWO THINGS. 
          WE NEED TO THINK ENTIRE WATERSHED, NOT JUST CITY AND CITY LIMITS, BUT THE IMPACTS ON, UH, WHAT THESE THINGS ARE OUTSIDE OF OUR CITY LIMITS THAT IMPACT OUR WATERSHED, WHICH WILL IMPACT THE CITY. 
          SO WE HAVE TO DO, UM, I THINK MORE STUDIES, UH, AND MORE INFORMATION AND, UM, MORE POLICY AROUND THE ENTIRE WATERSHED, NOT JUST THE CITY, BECAUSE THE CITY'S GONNA BE IMPACTED BY ANYTHING IN THE WATERSHED. 
          AND IN THE WATERSHED. 
          THERE'S, UH, TWO THINGS THAT, THAT ARE GONNA BE HAPPENING. 
          ONE IS THE INPUT OF, OF WATER FROM ALL THE TRIBUTARIES AND THE CREEKS AND ALL THOSE INPUTS. 
          I KNOW I'LL, I'LL, I'M GONNA BE PROBABLY WORKING WITH THE SFEI ON THE, THE STUDY THAT'S GONNA BE DONE FOR, UH, THE ADOBE CREEK. 
          SO THAT'S COMING UP SHORTLY, AND I KNOW THEY'RE GONNA BE WORKING ON THAT. 
          BUT LOOKING AT JUST THE SEDIMENT STUDY BEING THAT THE SELMA MOUNTAIN WAS AT ONE POINT SEVERAL THOUSAND FEET TALLER, AND ALL THAT SEDIMENTS HAS COME DOWN INTO THE VALLEY AND OUT TO THE BAY. 
          SO, UM, AND BESIDES THE SEDIMENT MOVEMENT DOWN WITH THE WATER, UH, THE IMPACT OF THAT ON THE CITY ITSELF, WHETHER IT BE, UH, BLOCKAGE OF FLOODING, UH, THE WAY IT CHANGES A RIPARIAN HABITAT HERE IN THE TOWN IN THE FLOODWAYS, UH, AS WELL AS WHAT IT CARRIES, WHETHER IT BE THE E COLI OR OTHER BITS AND PIECES OF TOXINS OR BITS AND PIECES OF THINGS LIKE LOTS OF PLASTIC COMING DOWN. 
          SO, UM, WHEN TALKING ABOUT FLOOD RESILIENCE, THE, LIKE, I THINK WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT MORE THAN THE WATER. 
          IT'S WHAT THE WATER CARRIES IS MORE, WHAT I ALSO CARRY ABOUT ALL THE, BECAUSE IT'S WHAT'S IN THE WATER THAT COULD BE HIGHLY CRITICAL TO CAUSING DAMAGE, NOT THE WATER ITSELF. 
          WHEN, WHEN WE HAVE MAJOR FLOOD COMING DOWN OR HAZARD TO PEOPLE OR BOATS, IT'S THE TIMBERS IN THE WATER FOR A BOAT. 
          IT'S NOT THE ACTUAL WATER ITSELF THAT'S GONNA HURT THE BOAT. 
          IT'S THE TIMBERS FLOATING DOWN, UH, WITH THE WATER. 
          UM, SO IT'S, THE CONTENTS OF THE WATER NEEDS TO BE SOMEWHERE DISCUSSED IN ALL THIS ENTIRE FRAMEWORK. 
          UH, WHETHER IT BE LARGE MATTER FROM WHEN IT DOES HAVE, UH, FLOODING GOING ON, 'CAUSE OF THE TIMBERS BLOCKING, UH, GETTING BLOCKED BY A BRIDGE, CAUSING THE ISSUES. 
          UM, THAT MAY NOT EVEN BE IN HERE 'CAUSE WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE WATER ITSELF. 
          SO WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE, UH, RIPARIAN CORRIDOR MANAGEMENT, BOTH IN THE CITY AND OUTSIDE IN THE WATERSHED ENTIRELY FOR THE AMOUNT OF, UH, CONCERN IT WOULD HAVE, BRINGING DEBRIS DOWN WITH THE FLOODING TO OUR CITY AND CAUSING DAMAGE TO THINGS. 
          SO THAT NEEDS TO BE PART OF OUR PLAN AND OUR POLICY, NOT JUST THE WATER ITSELF. 
          UH, AND THEN THE OTHER AREA IS, AS WE HAVE SEA LEVEL RISE COMING UP, IT'S NOT JUST WHERE IT'S GONNA AFFECT OUR CITY, IT'S GOING TO INFECT THE ENTIRE PETALUMA MARSH, WHICH IS ALL, ALL 5,000 TO 6,000 ACRES, OF WHICH ONLY ABOUT TWO OR 3000 ARE STILL NATURAL, UH, ECOSYSTEM, UH, SALT ESTUARIES. 
          BUT THAT HUGE IMPACT WILL ALSO IMPACT OUR ENTIRE CITY ECONOMY AS WELL. 
          SO WE REALLY NEED TO INCLUDE THE, UM, FROM SEA LEVEL RISE, NOT JUST THE WATER RISING UP THAT'S GONNA HURT OUR, OUR INFRASTRUCTURE HERE, BUT ALSO THE WATER RISING UP IMPACTING THE ENTIRE WATERSHED. 
          THE IMPACT THAT IT'S GONNA HAVE, THERE NEEDS TO BE PART OF WHAT WE TALK ABOUT AND THE, AND THE POTENTIAL IMPACT ON OUR WHOLE CITY ECONOMY AND SYSTEMS HERE FROM THAT OCCURRING. 
          'CAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT'S EVEN PART OF THE, THE STUDY THAT'S BEING DONE. 
          UM, AND, UH, IT'S GONNA IMPACT OUR AGRICULTURE, IT'S GONNA IMPACT OUR, UH, WILDLIFE, IT'S GONNA, UH, THAT WE SEE HERE. 
          UM, SO 
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WE NEED TO, UH, BE MORE PROACTIVE IN THE PARTICIPATION OF HOW DO WE PROTECT THE ENTIRE WATERSHED, WHICH WILL IMPACT OUR CITY AND PROCESSES. 
          SO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS WHOLE PROCESS IN HERE AS YOU'RE GOING THROUGH, UM, I SEE LIMITED INSIDE THE BOX THINKING OF WATER AND INSIDE OUR CITY LIMITS. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S A HUGE CONCERN I HAVE ABOUT THIS WHOLE, UM, PLANT THAT THAT'S BEING PRESENTED. 
          AND SO I THINK WE, UH, WE NEED TO REALLY, UH, EXPRESS OURSELVES OUTSIDE THE BOX, OUTSIDE OUR CITY AND OUTSIDE OF WATER WHEN TALKING ABOUT FLOOD FROM EITHER RAIN OR FROM SEA LEVEL RISE. 
          SO, SO I THINK YOU THINK YOU GET WHAT I'M SAYING, RIGHT? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND SO THAT NEEDS TO BE A MAJOR PART OF THIS FLOOD RESILIENCY PLAN GOING FORWARD, NOT JUST WATER. 
          SO I JUST WANT YOU TO INCLUDE ALL THAT. 
          I KNOW I'M THROWING A WHOLE HUGE THING AT YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          IS DREDGING MENTIONED ELSEWHERE IN THE FRAMEWORKS? NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE. 
          I THINK IT'S PRETTY EXCLUSIVELY IN THE, IN THIS SECTION. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, I GUESS THAT'S ONE MICRO EXAMPLE, RIGHT? OF LIKE, I MEAN, WE HAD A WHOLE DISCUSSION ABOUT LIKE THE SEDIMENTS OF THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF TREES DURING THE MAPPING, AND THEN IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE ACTIONS AND THE POLICIES SEEM LIGHT RELATIVE TO LIKE WHAT COUNCIL MEMBERSHIPS IS SAYING, RIGHT? AND SO THE OTHER IMPACT THAT, I'M NOT SURE IF IT BELONGS HERE OR NOT, BUT EVEN WHEN TALKING ABOUT BEING PRESENTED TO THINGS ABOUT THE CALL FIELD BRIDGE COMING UP, OKAY, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BRIDGE ITSELF NEXT THIS COMING MONDAY. 
          HOWEVER, UM, UH, I'M TRYING TO, RIGHT NOW TRYING TO BRING UP THE POINT TO THE STAFF ABOUT, OKAY, BESIDES THE, THE BRIDGE ITSELF, WHAT ABOUT THE, UM, WATER TRAFFIC AND, AND THE IMPACT THERE? AND I KNOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THE WATER MOVEMENT, BUT WE ALSO NEED TO LOOK AT SEDIMENT MOVEMENT AROUND THAT BRIDGE AS WELL AS THE WATER MOVEMENT. 
          UM, AND THEN, UM, FOR THE BRIDGE ITSELF, I'M, I'M, UH, LOOKING AT FUTURE IMPACT OF THE WATER TRAFFIC. 
          GIVEN WHAT MIGHT BE HAPPENING HERE. 
          UM, WOULD WE WANNA AT SOME POINT COMPLETELY DO A TURNAROUND INSTEAD OF INVITING BOATS UP TO THE RIVER BASIN, ACTUALLY EXCLUDING BOATS FROM COMING UP TO THE RIVER BASIN BY PUTTING IN A SIMPLER, CHEAPER BRIDGE AND THEREFORE HAVE DIFFERENT PROCESSES OF HOW WE MANAGE OUR RIVER, OUR DREDGING AND EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          IF WE WERE TO CUT OUT THE BOATS THAT ARE CURRENTLY, WE, WE WANT TO COME UP. 
          SO I KNOW THAT THAT MAY BE A LITTLE HERETIC TO SAY THAT WE TO REDUCE THE TOURISM DOWN HERE, BUT I'M THINKING OF INCREASING THE TOURISM OF SMALL LITTLE HUMAN BOATS AND CUTTING OUT THE LARGE GAS GUZZLING FUEL, EATING LARGE BOATS FROM RECREATIONALLY COMING UP HERE. 
          IF WE'RE GONNA DO REALLY CAR, UH, CLIMATE CHANGE, WE NEED TO SAY WE DON'T WANT YOUR HUGE MILLION, $2 MILLION YACHTS, UH, COMING UP HERE TO OUR CITY AND SPENDING YOUR BIG BUCKS HERE. 
          WE WANT TO SEE YOU COME IN AND, AND USE OUR LITTLE KAYAKS AND OUR LITTLE, UH, LONGBOARDS, UH, ON THE WATER AND, AND PADDLE ACROSS AND HAVE LITTLE WATER TAXIS. 
          SO I'M PRESENTING THAT AS A CONCEPT AS, I'M NOT SURE WHERE IT FITS IN THIS, THIS FLOODING THINGS, BUT THE FLOODING WILL IMPACT AND HOW WE THINK ABOUT OUR ECONOMY AND OUR BOAT TRAFFIC IS ALSO GOING TO IMPACT HOW WE RELATE TO FLOODING MITIGATION AND FLOOD ADAPTATION. 
          ARE WE GONNA ADD ADAPT FOR WATER BOAT TRAFFIC OR NOT? AND HOW WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SHIFT GEARS ENTIRELY AT THIS POINT AND IN, IN THAT DIRECTION. 
          SO I'M KIND OF RAISING THAT AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CAULFIELD BRIDGE ON MONDAY. 
          I'VE ALREADY RAISED THAT WITH STAFF A LITTLE BIT IN, IN QUESTIONING THE ECONOMY AS WELL AS THE, ALL THE OTHER POSSIBLE IMPACTS. 
          SO WHERE DOES THAT FIT IN WITH FLOODING AS LOOKING AT THE ECONOMIC ANALYSIS OF, UM, THE, THE CAUSATION, THE AMOUNT OF DAMAGE THAT MIGHT BE OCCURRING FROM DIFFERENT SITUATIONS? 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT'S PART OF THIS. 
          IT'S ALL YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, OH, WHAT, HOW CAN WE MITIGATE AGAINST FLOOD DAMAGE? IT'S NO, WHAT IS THE ECONOMIC COST OF DOING NOTHING, BASICALLY? AND THAT'S STILL NOT QUITE FLESHED OUT, I THINK IN THIS PLAN. 
          I THINK WE WANNA PREVENT, BUT WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT THE ECONOMICS, UH, PART OF IT ENOUGH. 
          SO, SO THAT'S ANOTHER HUGE IDEA I'M THROWING AT YOU. 
          I, I'LL, I'LL JUST PROVIDE SOME THOUGHTS ON WHAT YOU SAID. 
          UM, ON PAGE 20, WHICH IS LIKE A SUBSECTION OF POLICY 2.2, IT TALKS ABOUT UPDATING THE PETALUMA RIVER ACCESS AND ENHANCEMENT PLAN. 
          THIS IS LIKE SPECIFIC TO FUTURE PLUGS, BUT I DO THINK THAT COULD BE A GOAL IN AND OF ITSELF. 
          I THINK THE RIVER ACCESS PORTION OF THAT PLAN, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST HISTORICALLY TALK MORE ABOUT PEDESTRIAN ACCESS AND NOT SO MUCH RIVER ACCESS, BUT THAT PLAN COULD BE A WAY TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE 
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POLICY DECISIONS THAT YOU'RE REFERENCING, RIGHT? SO WHETHER THAT BELONGS IN HERE IN, IN THIS TYPE OF DISCUSSIONS, I THINK THIS MAY BE NOT QUITE THE RIGHT PLACE, BUT IT COULD BE REFERENCED HERE, BUT IT HAS TO BE CONSIDERED HERE, UM, AND MAY BE WORKED ON IN OTHER AREAS OF THE GENERAL PLAN THAT'S COMING UP. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          BUT, UH, I'M JUST TOSSING OUT THESE, THESE BIG IDEAS HERE AS IT NEED, IT NEEDS TO GO SOMEWHERE. 
          AND, AND MY MY RESPONSE TO THAT IS THAT SOMEWHERE COULD BE ON PAGE 20, MAKING THAT LIKE GOAL EIGHT AND BUILD, EXPANDING UPON WHAT HE MENTIONED AS FAR AS AN ADDITIONAL GOAL THAT ISN'T RELATED TO THE, THE, SOME, THE SEMIS SEQUENTIAL WORK PLAN THAT YOU MENTIONED. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, I THINK WE'RE KIND OF ON GOAL GOAL TWO AT THIS POINT. 
          UM, ANYONE ELSE? GOAL THREE, FLOOD ADAPTATION, MASTER PLAN, ANOTHER PLAN. 
          I THINK WE'RE AT EIGHT DIFFERENT PLANS TONIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          SKIPPING TO GOAL THREE. 
          SO THE THOUGHT APPLICATION MASTER PLAN, IT'S KIND OF THE THING WE WISH WE HAD RIGHT NOW. 
          WHAT IT WHAT IT'S INTENDED TO DO IS LAY OUT, UM, LAY OUT SOMETHING MORE NUANCED AND MORE HOLISTIC AND MORE OF A REGIONAL APPROACH TO FLOOD RESILIENCE THAN WHAT WE TYPICALLY DO AND WHAT IS PROBABLY EASIER TO ACCOMPLISH, WHICH ARE SOME BUILDING SPECIFIC REGULATIONS FOR FUTURE FLOODS THAT YOU'LL SEE IN, UH, GULF FIVE. 
          IT'S PRETTY EASY TO FIGURE THOSE OUT RIGHT NOW. 
          AND WHAT THEIR CONVENIENCE IS THAT THEY COULD PROBABLY GO LIVE, UH, VERY, VERY QUICKLY WITH GENERAL PLAN ADOPTION OR SOON, SOON THEREAFTER. 
          WHAT GOAL THREE IS TRYING TO DO IS SAY WE NEED A PROCESS WITH SIGNIFICANT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. 
          IT HAS SOME PRETTY HEAVY ENGINEERING COMPONENTS TO IT. 
          IT HAS SOME PRETTY HEAVY, UH, ECOLOGICAL AND ECONOMIC COMPONENTS TO IT THAT BASICALLY SAYS, AS THESE FLOOD CONDITIONS GET WORSE OVER THE DECADES, WE NEED TO HAVE HAD A PLAN FOR WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BUILD, HOW WE'RE GONNA CHANGE LAND USE, HOW WE'RE GONNA FUND, UH, CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS, WHAT NEW POLICIES WILL GET TRIGGERED BY CERTAIN THREATS, UH, REACHING CERTAIN CRITICAL POINTS. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT THE FLOOD ADAPTATION MASTER PLAN'S TRYING TO DO. 
          SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAS IN THERE IS SAYING, OKAY, WHICH PARTS OF THE CITY, UH, WILL BE PROTECTED WITH HARD INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH PARTS OF THE CITY CAN BE PROTECTED WITH GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH PARTS OF THE CITY WON'T BE ABLE TO BE REASONABLY PROTECTED, AND THEY NEED TO HAVE PARCEL SPECIFIC ADAPTATION. 
          UH, HOW DO YOU PRIORITIZE WHICH PARTS OF THE CITY SHOULD BE EMPHASIZED FOR, UM, OTHER WAYS TO REDUCE HAZARD, LIKE PURCHASING OF PROPERTY OR TRANSFER OF DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS, OR OTHER WAYS OF GETTING PEOPLE OUT OF HARM'S WAY? AND ALSO, WHEN DO YOU DO THOSE THINGS? WHAT ARE THE TRIGGERS THAT SAY THE YEAR IS NOW 2035, WE HAVE TO IMPLEMENT THIS PLAN. 
          WE HAVE TO BUILD THAT THING THAT WE HAD ALREADY PLANNED FOR, AND IDEALLY HAD ALSO HAD ENOUGH FOREWARNING THAT FUNDING SCHEMES, PERMITTING SCHEMES, AND THE COMMUNITY PROCESS CAN BE DONE SO THAT WE START IMPLEMENTING THEM. 
          SO THE, THE NOTION THERE IS THAT MOST OF THESE FLOOD PROTECTIONS, UM, PARTICULARLY THE ONES FROM SEA LEVEL RISE, ARE, IT'S A NEW ETHOS FOR THE CITY. 
          WE HAVE BEEN DOING FLOOD PROTECTION FOR RAINFALL FOR DECADES AND HAVE, HAVE HAD A LOT OF SUCCESSES AT IT. 
          WHAT THE FLOOD ADAPTATION MASTER PLAN SAYS, OKAY, LET'S LOOK AT THOSE RAINFALL STYLE THINGS. 
          WHAT, WHAT OF THOSE ARE WE GONNA NEED IN THE YEAR 2100? 'CAUSE STORMS ARE GETTING MORE INTENSE. 
          AND THEN THIS WHOLE NEW WORLD OF WHAT COASTAL DEFENSE, WHAT MARSH RESTORATION, WHAT COLLABORATION WITH, UH, REGIONAL PLANNING AUTHORITIES DO WE NEED SO THAT WHEN IT COMES TIME TO ACTUALLY BUILD THE LEVIES OR THE FLOOD WALLS OR WHATEVER, IT'S, WE DECIDE WE KNEW WHERE IT WAS GONNA GO, THE LAND WAS SET ASIDE, AND IDEALLY FUNDING SYSTEMS WERE ESTABLISHED. 
          KIND OF THINKING OF IT IN A SIMILAR WAY AS A GENERAL PLAN APPROACH IS TRAFFIC. 
          YOU DON'T BUILD ALL THE ROADS AND BRIDGES YOU NEED TO ACCOMMODATE THE GROWTH AT THE BEGINNING, BUT YOU DO WANNA LAY OUT GENERALLY WHERE THEY'LL GO AND WHAT YOUR FUNDING, UH, PROCESS IS GONNA BE FOR THEM. 
          THE OTHER VIRTUE OF THAT IS UNTIL WE HAVE A COHESIVE PLAN THAT DECIDES WHERE WE'LL BE PROTECTED, WE HAVE TO ASSUME NOTHING 
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WILL BE PROTECTED. 
          AND THAT MEANS INCREASED CHALLENGE TO DEVELOP OR EVEN REMODEL, UH, BECAUSE WE'RE ASSUMING EACH PARCEL'S GONNA HAVE TO DO IT ON THEIR OWN. 
          UM, AND THAT'S NOT REALLY, IT'S A VERY NARROW VIEW OF, OF HOW TO ADJUST FLOOD RESILIENCE WHEN REALLY A LOT OF THESE THINGS WE SHOULD ADDRESS WITH THE REGIONAL PROJECTS. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, WHEN TALKING ABOUT THE REGIONAL PROJECTS, THERE IS HUGE THING GOING ON, UH, THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE BAY. 
          SO THESE CONCEPTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS BEING APPLIED TO ALMOST EVERY SINGLE CITY ON, ON ON SAN FRANCISCO BAY. 
          AND I JUST WANNA GO BACK TO SOMETHING I SAID EARLIER ABOUT NOW, UH, DO WE WANT YOUR, YOUR LARGE BOATS? ACTUALLY, THE, THE PLAN I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE AND THAT WE THINK ABOUT IS THE, OUR MARINA. 
          UH, HOW COULD OUR MARINA BE USED, WHETHER IT BE PART OF OUR FLOOD CONTROL, IF WE HAD IT DUG DEEPER AND, AND WIDER AND, AND MORE EXPANSIVE SO THAT WE COULD PARK THE LARGER BOATS THERE. 
          INCLUDING, WE USED TO HAVE A COAST GUARD BOAT, A VERY LARGE COAST GUARD BOAT TRAINING BOAT, UH, FOR, WE HAD A WHOLE, UH, UH, TRAININGS, UH, FOR OUR YOUTH BOAT THAT WAS DOCKED RIGHT HERE IN OUR TOWN AT ONE POINT. 
          SO IF WE COULD HAVE, UM, UH, FOR EMERGENCIES, WHETHER IT BE FIREBOAT, UM, OR A COAST GUARD BOAT, UM, WE EVEN HAVE POLICE BOATS. 
          THEY EXIST. 
          UH, WE SEEM TO NOT BE USING OUR MARINA FOR THESE ANYMORE, BUT FOR SAFETY FOR WATER TRAFFIC, UM, ARE THESE ARE THE SERVICES WE NEED? WHAT TYPE OF BOATS ARE WE GONNA NEED AND COULD THEY BE, CAN WE CHANGE OUR MARINA INTO MORE OF A FLOOD MANAGEMENT TOOL FOR WATER COMING DOWN OR UP THE UP UP RIVER? AND, AND THAT WOULD ALSO PROVIDE SERVICE TO THE LARGER BOATS. 
          THEY'D STAY AT THE MARINA, WATER TAXI SERVICE WOULD MOVE UP RIVER. 
          UM, SO, UH, RE DESIGNATING, INSTEAD OF HAVING THE TURNING BASIN AS OUR, AS A, AS A LOCATION FOR WHERE WE WANT THE TRAFFIC, UH, FOR THE BOAT TRAFFIC TO COME TO SHIFTING GEARS AND HAVING THE BOAT TRAFFIC GO TO THE MARINA AND THEN HAVE THE SMALLER BOATS AND ONLY HUMAN POWERED IN SMALL, EXTREMELY SMALL BOATS COMING UP RIVER FROM THAT POINT WHERE THEY'RE NOT, IS THAT GOING TO HAVE ANY IMPACT, UM, AS WE DESIGN MAYBE THAT SYSTEM, WOULD IT IMPACT FLOODING AND SEA LEVEL RISE CAPACITY AS PART OF OUR ADAPTATION? SO I JUST THOUGHT I'D THROW THAT OUT AT THERE AS A, UH, OUT OF THE BOX THINKING IDEA. 
          UM, AND WHETHER THAT WOULD BELONG IN HERE AS AN IDEA OR JUST AS A PROPOSALS TO THINK ABOUT FOR, FOR INCLUSION ANYWHERE IS THE, IS THE, MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW, RON, DO YOU KNOW THIS, UM, IS LIKE THE RIVER MENTIONED AT ALL IN THE CIRCULATION ELEMENT, IS THAT LIKE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CIRCULATION OF BOATS? THAT, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 
          UM, LET ME GIMME A SECOND AND I'LL CHECK. 
          I, I DON'T THINK, THINK SO OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. 
          YEAH, BUT IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 
          I MEAN, I LIKE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A GOOD CONVERSATION TO HAVE AS PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT HOME IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, DOESN'T HAVE A HOME IN THE FLOODING SECTION, BUT THE FLOODING SECTION IS WHERE WE TALK ABOUT THE RIVER THE MOST, UM, CIRCULATION MAYBE I DON'T LIKE CITY INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          THERE'S THE INFRASTRUCTURE FRAMEWORK THAT I THINK INCLUDES THE MARINA. 
          SO THAT MIGHT BE THE APPROPRIATE PLACE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. 
          I DO KNOW THERE ARE SEVERAL FRAMEWORKS THAT DO REFERENCE ACCESS TO THE RIVER. 
          UM, LAND USE WILL SPEAK TO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, PARKS AND, UM, PARKS TO THE EXTENT THAT IT DESCRIBES A KIND OF A, A TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM, MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM ACROSS THE CITY THAT INTEGRATES EXISTING PATHS, STREETS RIGHTS OF WAY. 
          UM, SO THE CONCEPT IS THERE, BUT I'M NOT SURE HOW EXPLICITLY THE RIVER IS CALLED OUT AS A, AS A, AS A PATHWAY FOR TRANSPORTATION. 
          YEAH. 
          THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP A COUPLE TIMES BEFORE ABOUT CALLING OUR RIVER A PARK, PROBABLY THE LARGEST OPEN SPACE PARK WE HAVE. 
          IF WE START THINKING OF IT IN THAT CONCEPT, NOT JUST A RIVER WHERE, WHERE YOU GO LOOK AT IT, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY A MM-HMM. 
           OPEN SPACE PARK THAT WE NEED TO MANAGE, UH, IN A DIFFERENT WHOLE PHILOSOPHY. 
          UM, IF WE DID THAT, THEN, THEN THAT CHANGES OUR, OUR WHOLE APPROACH TO THE RIVER. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I, I'M NOT AGREEING NECESSARILY WITH HIS PROHIBITION OF THE WATERCRAFT, YOU KNOW, ALTHOUGH I AGREE IT'S AN IMPORTANT CONVERSATION WE SHOULD HAVE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, WE WILL, WE WILL HOPEFULLY FIND A HOME FOR IT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AND POSSIBLY RIVER ENHANCEMENT PLAN BEING A POTENTIAL HOME. 
          UM, JUST, JUST QUICKLY, UM, TP ITS TRANSPORTATION POLICY, UH, 1.3 
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DOES DESCRIBE THE RIVER AS A TRANSPORTATION CORRIDOR. 
          UM, PROBABLY NOT AS EXTENSIVELY AS, UH, YOU HAVE IN MIND, BUT IT, IT IS IN THAT TRANSPORTATION FRAMEWORK WORK. 
          OKAY. 
          I GUESS WHEN THIS DOES COME BACK TO YOU, YOU CAN YES. 
          UH, ENTER THOSE COMMENTS THERE. 
          UM, I GUESS GETTING BACK TO GOAL THREE, I THINK WE'RE ON THE FLOOD ADAPTATION MASTER PLAN. 
          I MEAN, THIS SOUNDS GOOD. 
          THE GOAL LIMITS IT TO A PLAN, AND I AM NOT QUITE ANTI PLAN AT THIS POINT, BUT LIKE, WE CAN CHANGE THE GOAL TO BE MORE THAN JUST A PLAN, YOU KNOW, LIKE FLOOD ADAPTATION, MASTER PLAN AND TOOLKIT, YOU KNOW, OR LIKE, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT'S MORE THAN JUST A PLAN, UH, BECAUSE THE DEVELOPING OF THE PATHWAYS, MAYBE THAT COMES OUT AS PART OF THE PLAN, BUT I KNOW LIKE THE STATE AND OTHER PEOPLE ARE WORKING ON THIS. 
          AND SO THERE ARE PATHWAYS THAT EXIST TODAY, AND IT'S LIKE WE CAN PROMOTE SOME OF THOSE WITHOUT HAVING TO DO A PLAN OR CONCURRENTLY WITH A PLAN. 
          AND SO THE GOAL SEEMS SOMEWHAT NARROW, UH, TO ME. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THEN WE GET INTO THE DIFFERENT NESTED PLANS AND THEIR INTERRELATEDNESS HERE WE HAVE THREE DIFFERENT PLANS. 
          THE FLOOD ADAPTATION MASTER PLAN, THE NEW STORMWATER MASTER PLAN, WHICH IS THE SUB COMPONENT OF THE INTEGRATED WATER MASTER PLAN. 
          AND THEN YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT STORM WATER AS A SOURCE OF WATER IS IN THAT OTHER PLAN. 
          AND SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW TO WHAT EXTENT THE STORM WATER MASTER MASTER PLAN IS GOING TO SPEAK TO STORMWATER AS A FUTURE SOURCE OF POTABLE WATER. 
          AND I THINK THAT IS THE CONVERSATION THAT'S OCCURRING, BUT THAT IS NOT SHOWING UP AS PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN CONVERSATION. 
          AT LEAST I DON'T THINK SO. 
          UM, AND SO THAT'S JUST A, A COMMENT, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, IT SEEMS LIKE IF THAT IS THE CASE THAT THEN LIKE, THERE SHOULD BE A POLICY AROUND LIKE, EVALUATE STORMWATER AS A, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL MITIGATION FOR THE DROUGHT. 
          YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE LIKE DROUGHT, THE DROUGHT PLAN, THE DROUGHT SECTION IN THE SAFETY PLAN DIDN'T MENTION THE STORMWATER MASTER PLAN. 
          AND SO IF WE ARE PLANNING AS A POLICY HERE TO DEVELOP A STORMWATER MASTER PLAN, LET'S MAKE IT EXPLICIT IN OUR DROUGHT SECTION THAT WE'RE DOING WHAT WE ARE ACTUALLY DOING. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING THIS, WHICH IS GREAT, BUT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT IT IN OUR GENERAL PLAN. 
          ACTUALLY, SEBASTIAN CAN SPEAK TO THIS BETTER THAN I CAN, BUT GOAL ONE IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, POLICY FRAMEWORK DOES, DOES IDENTIFY STORM WATER AS A POTENTIAL FUTURE, UM, SOURCE OF WATER FOR THE CITY. 
          YEAH. 
          I THANK YOU. 
          I KNOW IT'S THERE, YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW ALL THE DIFFERENT PLANS ARE GONNA HAVE THEIR OWN LITTLE WEBSITES OR WHATEVER, WHICH IS ALL COOL. 
          BUT LIKE, IF YOU ARE GOING TO THE DROUGHT PLAN, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU CARE ABOUT IS THE DROUGHT, LIKE LET'S LINK THAT 1.1 IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE WITH THE ONE IN THE DROUGHT, WITH THE ONE THAT TALKS ABOUT STORMWATER MASTER PLAN HERE AND GOAL THREE. 
          SO, AND THAT'LL, THAT'LL ALSO BE A GOOD, UH, AVENUE FOR THESE CONCERNS AROUND WHAT ELSE IS IN THE WATER. 
          'CAUSE THE STORMWATER MASTERPLAN REALLY HAS A LOT OF COLLABORATION WITH OUR CONTRIBUTING WATERSHED, AND IT'S TRYING TO ADDRESS, UM, THE FLOOD CONCERNS ABOUT STORMWATER, WHILE WE'RE ALSO KEEPING A MIND FOR THE GROUNDWATER IMPACTS, THE WATER SUPPLY, IMPACTS THE RUNOFF WATER QUALITY IMPACTS, UH, AND OTHER HAZARDS OF WHAT'S COMING THROUGH THE, WHAT'S COMING THROUGH THE CREEKS, WHAT'S COMING THROUGH THE RIVER. 
          YEAH, WE CAN BE MORE EXPLICIT ABOUT THAT. 
          THE OTHER COMPONENT OF, UH, FLOOD PO UH, FFR THREE IS, UH, AROUND THIS IMPACT OF FUTURE FLOODS. 
          THIS IS ALREADY DONE SOMEWHAT. 
          THE LOCAL HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN, WHICH GETS UPDATED ON A CYCLE, UM, BY, BY REQUIREMENT OF THE STATE ALREADY, UH, IN ITS LAST ITERATION IN 2020, DID LOOK AT, UM, SOME ECONOMIC AND COMMUNITY IMPACTS FROM THEIR UNDERSTANDING OF FUTURE FLOODS. 
          WHAT WE'RE ADDING INTO HERE IS, UH, WE HAVE A NEW TOOL, WE HAVE BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF FUTURE FLOOD, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, WHAT IT LACKED WAS, UH, SOME MORE OF THE DEMOGRAPHIC AND SOCIAL JUSTICE COMPONENTS OF A HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN. 
          AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ADD INTO THERE IS JUST REALLY MAKE SURE 
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THAT FOR THIS FLOOD PORTION OF THE LHMP, UM, WE DON'T WANNA JUST LOOK AT ECONOMIC IMPACT. 
          WE WANNA LOOK AT HOW THAT'S DISTRIBUTED, WHO IT'S DISTRIBUTED ACROSS, WHO THE HEALTH AND SAFETY, UH, IMPACTS ARE DISTRIBUTED ACROSS. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S RATHER MINOR, BUT, UM, THE LHMP IS ACTUALLY PROBABLY HAPPENING SOMEWHAT SOON. 
          AND SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT GETS PUT INTO THE WORK PLAN. 
          UM, IT, IT, IT GOES AGAINST IT. 
          THE INTENTION IS TO BREAK THE TRADITION THAT FLOOD CONTROL AND FLOOD PROTECTION HAS ALWAYS DONE, WHICH HAS BEEN A VERY ECONOMIC NUMERIC COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS PERSPECTIVE, UH, WHERE A MILLION DOLLAR HOUSE HAS MORE VALUE THAN 2,490 $9,000 HOUSES. 
          AND WE ALL KNOW THAT'S NOT THE CASE. 
          UM, AND SO ADDING IN THROUGH THIS, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO SPRINKLE IN THIS UNDERSTANDING OF YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER MORE THAN JUST, UH, THE ECONOMICS, UH, OF FLOOD PROTECTION. 
          YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THE HABITAT BENEFIT, THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT, UM, AND, AND OTHER IT, IT, IT'S A MULTI-BENEFIT MATRIX TO SCORE THESE THINGS. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          I THINK WE'RE ON GOAL FOUR. 
          ANYONE? MY, UM, I GUESS MY COMMENT RELATED TO GOAL FOUR IS LIKE, IT DEALS WITH FLOOD RECOVERY IN THE SAFETY PLAN. 
          WE KIND OF HAVE SOME CONVERSATION AROUND EVACUATIONS A LITTLE BIT. 
          UM, I THINK WE SHOULD CONSIDER GULF FOUR TO BE, WE, WE ARE PREPARED TO RESPOND TO FLOODING, LIKE DURING, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO DURING WHEN IT'S FLOODED AS WELL AS THE RECOVERY, RIGHT? SO THE MIDDLE PART OF LIKE WHEN ACTUALLY A FLOOD IS OCCURRING, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO THERE? DOES THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAVE A BOAT? LIKE, YOU KNOW, EVEN WHEN THE, UM, WHAT IS THAT, THAT PLACE OVER BY MY CELL, BY CELS, YOU KNOW, THE STORM, THE STORM GUTTERS GOT FLOODED, THE PERSON IN THE WHEELCHAIR LIKE HAD TO BE RESCUED BY THEIR COUSIN. 
          YOU KNOW, AND IT'S LIKE THAT PART OF IT, WHEN THE STORM IS HAPPENING, NEEDS TO BE SPOKEN TO IN A GOAL. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I THINK TO LIKE, WHAT DOES KERNVILLE DO? YOU KNOW, AND IT'S NOT LIKE THE FLOOD IS LIKE, THERE'S BEFORE THE FLOOD AND AFTER THE FLOOD, IT'S LIKE THERE'S THE WEEK OF WHEN PEOPLE ARE KAYAKING TO THE GROCERY STORE, YOU KNOW? AND THEN LIKE AS WE'RE ADAPTING TO THE FLOOD AND WE ARE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, THE LIKE FLOOD FIRST STORIES, RIGHT? IT'S LIKE IF WE HAVE THIS INFRASTRUCTURE WHERE WE ARE LIVING WITH FLOODING AND SOME OF IT WE ARE NOT PREVENTING, WE SHOULD HAVE GOALS RELATED TO WHAT WE DO DURING FLOODS. 
          WHAT DO WE, YOU KNOW, OKAY, DO WE HAVE 50 KAYAKS? CAN WE GET THE GUY FROM THE FLOAT HOUSE TO COME AND RESCUE PEOPLE? SHOULD WE GET THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO GO TO THE FLOAT HOUSE AND GET THOSE BOATS AND RESCUE PEOPLE? YOU KNOW? SO LIKE, ANYWAY, A DURING FLOOD GOAL IN ADDITION TO THE RECOVERY PIECE OF IT, MM-HMM. 
           AND MAYBE THAT'S MORE OF A SAFETY ELEMENT THING. 
          WE DIDN'T TALK, TALK ABOUT IT IN THE SAFETY ELEMENT. 
          SO I'M NOT NECESSARILY ADVOCATING WE GO AND REDO THAT EFFORT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S SOMEWHAT SEEMS SOMEWHAT MISSING FROM AT LEAST THIS FRAMEWORK. 
          UM, IF I MAY. 
          YEAH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , THE, THE CITY HAS AN EMERGENCY PLAN OPERATIONS PLAN, UM, QUITE A BIT OF IT'S COM UH, CONFIDENTIAL, UM, FOR SAFETY REASONS, BUT IT INCLUDES LOCAL RESOURCES, UM, INCLUDES CONTRACTORS AND WHAT TYPE OF EQUIPMENT THEY HAVE. 
          UH, WE COULD EASILY ADD, UH, THE KAYAKERS AND THE KAYAK GROUP, UM, TO A RESOURCE. 
          UM, BUT I, SO I THINK IT'S A, A GOOD, UM, A GOOD IDEA TO, TO LOOK AT THAT. 
          BUT THAT'S IN THE, UH, HANDS OF THE EMERGENCY MANAGER TOM JORDAN WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. 
          IT ALSO INCLUDES A LOT OF CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION, AS I MENTIONED, INCLUDING THE FACILITIES THAT HAVE PEOPLE ON OXYGEN AND WHO WE CAN CONTACT AT MIDNIGHT IN ORDER TO, UM, START EVACUATION PROCEDURES OR, OR OTHER NEEDS, UH, FOR THAT FACILITY. 
          SO A JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING YOU'VE MENTIONED IS, UM, IS, IS ADDRESSED, UH, IN THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS, UM, PROGRAM OR EMERGENCY OPERATIONS PLAN. 
          UM, IT'S, IT IS OLD AND, UH, I KNOW IT'S ON TOM'S 
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DESK TO BE WORKED ON WITH THE UPDATING OF THE LOCAL HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN OR THE ANNUAL REVIEW AND UPDATE. 
          BUT, UM, THERE, THERE ARE SOURCES OF INFORMATION FOR NETWORKING AND BRINGING IN, UH, VOLUNTEER ORGANIZATIONS AND, UH, PRIVATE COMPANIES TO HELP. 
          OKAY. 
          THA UH, THAT'S HELPFUL THEN. 
          UM, IS, I GUESS IF THE EOP IS SEMI CONFIDENTIAL, WOULD LIKE THIS CONVERSATION BEST BE HAD IN THE UPDATE TO THE LOCAL HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN THEN? I THINK SO. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S PERFECT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WE ARE, UM, WE ARE PRESENTLY REVIEWING PROPOSALS FOR THAT WORK. 
          UM, THE REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS WAS DISTRIBUTED EARLIER IN THE YEAR, AND THEY HAVE STARTED TO ARRIVE AND, UM, THAT'S, UM, BEEN DISTRIBUTED TO, IN-HOUSE TEAMS TO, TO START LOOKING AT THAT. 
          I KNOW I JUST OPENED THE EMAIL YESTERDAY, SO, OKAY, GREAT. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, IF, YOU KNOW, IF AT SOME POINT WE COULD HAVE A POLICY THAT JUST SPEAKS TO THAT OCCURRING, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE. 
          YOU KNOW, LIKE THE, THE RESPONDING TO FLOODING AND THE UPDATING OF THE LOCAL HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN TO INCLUDE THIS, YOU KNOW, SO YEAH. 
          SUPER. 
          MM-HMM. 
           AND THAT'LL BE, THAT'LL BE REALLY EFFECTIVE IN 3.2. 
          YEAH, WE'LL ADD THAT. 
          GOOD. 
          JUST A QUESTION ON 4.1, PREPARING POST-DISASTER PLANS. 
          UM, JUST AS, AS AN EXAMPLE, LOOKING AT MORE CONCRETE TYPE THINGS, UM, 'CAUSE IN 2005, I, WE WATCHED THE, UM, THE OUTLET MALL COMPLETELY FLOODED. 
          IT'S BUILT ITS WALLS UP TO THREE FOOT, UH, TO, TO WITHSTAND FLOODING AT A CERTAIN POINT, BUT IT'S GONNA BE MORE THAN THAT AT SOME POINT IN TIME. 
          SO DOES THE POST-DISASTER PLANS INC. 
          INCLUDES THE CONCEPTS OF, OF OKAY, AFTER THE OUTLET MALL OR OTHER HOUSING THAT GETS, UH, COMPLETELY FLOODED AND DAMAGED. 
          UM, UH, DOES THIS POST-DISASTER PLANS INCLUDE WHAT DO WE DO THEN FOR THESE PARTICULAR PROPERTIES AND HOW DO WE SAVE, UH, THE PEOPLE AND ALSO HOW TO SAVE THE PROPERTIES, UM, AND HOW TO REBUILD, UM, OR IF WE ARE GONNA REBUILD IT OR NOT, UH, WOULD WE JUST REMOVE THE OUTLET MALL ENTIRELY AND SAY, OKAY, WE'RE DONE. 
          UM, AND THEN REMOVE ALL THE DEBRIS THAT'S LEFT AFTER THE FLOOD, OR WHAT DO WE DO? IS THAT PART OF THIS PART OF THIS, UH, DISASTER PLAN POST-DISASTER? THAT'S THE MAIN PART, HONESTLY. 
          UH, GOAL FOUR IS THESE ARE SAID THAN DONE GOAL. 
          IT'S, IT'S THAT THING OF, WE IN THE TIME AFTER THAT CRISIS IS NOT THE TIME TO HA TO DEVELOP THE PLAN OF AND DO THE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND LEGAL WORK THAT'S GONNA BE REQUIRED TO MAKE THAT DECISION OF, IS THIS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY AND THE COMMUNITY LONG TERM TO REBUILD THIS AREA OR REBUILD IT AS IT WAS. 
          IT'S NOT THE TIME TO A ASK THE QUESTION OF, DOES THIS AREA, BECAUSE IT'S SO SUSCEPTIBLE TO FLOOD AND BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN FLOODED X TIMES IN THE PREVIOUS X DECADES, UH, IS THIS AREA, SHOULD IT BE CONVERTED TO SOME OTHER USE THAT HAS A LOWER SAFETY HAZARD? UM, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO DO THAT AFTER THE CRISIS. 
          UH, AND WE SEE THAT, WE SAW THAT IN FOUNTAIN GROVE WHERE THE QUESTION OF DO WE NEED TO HAVE HEIGHTENED BUILDING STANDARDS FOR THESE, THESE AREAS THAT WE KNEW IN THE NINETIES WERE HIGH FIRE HAZARD AND HIGH FIRE, UM, SEVERITY AREAS. 
          UH, BUT WE COULDN'T HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AFTER THE CRISIS. 
          AND SO THIS GOAL IS TRYING TO DO THAT TO SAY WHAT PARTS OF THE CITY, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT TRIGGERS, UH, DO WE WANT TO IDENTIFY AND WHAT POLICIES, UH, DO DOES THE CITY WANT TO IMPLEMENT IN THAT SITUATION THAT SAY A CERTAIN DEVELOPMENT LIKE THAT OR A CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, WAS IMPACTED. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE, UH, LEISURE LAKE IS, IS GONNA GET FLOODED AT A CERTAIN POINT WHERE IT'S GONNA BE UNLIVABLE AND WE HAVE TO HAVE A PLAN FOR THE, THE, THE PEOPLE AND, UH, TO, TO HOUSE THE PEOPLE SOMEWHERE OR, OR HAVE A PLAN TO OR HAVE THEM CREATE A PLAN. 
          NOW SAYING WHEN THAT STARTS TO HAPPEN AND THERE IS NO, THE HOUSES ARE GONE 'CAUSE THEY'RE PHYSICALLY BEEN MOVED OFF SITE AT SOME POINT IN TIME, UM, UH, DO WE WANT TO HAVE A PLAN FOR THEM OR DO WE WANT TO ASK THEM, HAVE A PLAN FOR YOURSELVES? 'CAUSE WE KNOW THIS IS EVENTUALLY GONNA HAPPEN. 
          AND, AND IT'S SUCH A DIFFICULT CONVERSATION THAT IT HAS TO BE DONE IN THE CALM AND IT HAS TO BE DONE VERY SLOWLY BECAUSE THE, THE SOCIAL IMP THE SOCIAL JUSTICE IMPLICATIONS ARE, ARE SIGNIFICANT, PARTICULARLY IN THAT THE AREAS OF THE CITY THAT ARE MOST SUSCEPTIBLE FLOODING ARE DISPROPORTIONATELY THE DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES. 
          UH, AND SO IT, IT JUST, THIS IS THAT REALLY CHALLENGING GOAL THAT'S EASY TO PUT DOWN ON PAPER, 
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BUT IS A REALLY EXHAUSTIVE PROCESS BUT WOULD REALLY SET US UP FOR ENSURING THAT POST CATASTROPHE WE ARE STILL IN KEEPING WITH THE VISION, WITH THE PRINCIPLES, UH, THAT WERE LAID OUT IN THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          RIGHT? SO WE'D HAVE, UM, A PLAN FOR HOUSING THESE PEOPLE, UM, WHETHER, UM, WHERE THROUGHOUT THE CITY FOR RESILIENCY, WHETHER IT BE AT THE FAIRGROUNDS OR SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT'S PART OF A RESILIENCY CENTER WOULD BE HOUSING A NUMBER OF PEOPLE FOR, MIGHT BE A MONTH OR TWO UNTIL WE CAN GET EVERYONE RESETTLED. 
          SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, AND WHAT JOHN WAS JUST REFERRING TO, I THINK IS WHAT PAM WAS SAYING WAS IN THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE PLAN AND THAT SORT OF DISCUSSION AT THIS CROSSOVER OF ALL THESE DIFFERENT PLANS AND HOW WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME, BUT THERE'S THIS WHOLE WORLD OF OTHER PLANS. 
          MAKE ME THINK IT SURE WOULD BE USEFUL FOR PROBABLY LOTS OF, YOU KNOW, CCB MEMBERS TO HAVE A MAP  OF ALL THE PLANS AND HOW THEY RELATE TO ONE ANOTHER. 
          YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT SORT OF INDICATES WHAT'S THE SCOPE OF THIS ONE VERSUS THIS ONE THAT AND THE WATER PLANS. 
          THAT WAS ANOTHER EXAMPLE. 
          AND WHY ARE THERE TWO, YOU KNOW, WHO IS THE AUDIENCE FOR ONE, WHO'S THE AUDIENCE FOR ANOTHER, SOME, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A GUIDE TO THE PLANS, IF YOU WILL. 
          I WOULD, I WOULD LOVE THAT TOO. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          AND I ALSO WANTED TO ADD TO THAT, UM, SEBASTIAN, YOUR, YOUR DESCRIPTION OF HOW THIS IS SO IMPORTANT IS EXACTLY WHY I DO HAVE THIS ONE IN THIS PARTICULAR FRAMEWORK, UM, NOTED AS THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE IN MY VIEW. 
          AND IT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH THAT POST TUBS FIRE EXPERIENCE. 
          UM, I ACTUALLY GAVE A PAPER AT AN INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ABOUT MY INVOLVEMENT IN THE RECOVERY EXPERIENCE THERE, AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT TAKEAWAYS IS PLAN AHEAD FOR THE POST EMERGENCY PROBLEMS. YEAH, EXACTLY. 
          SO NUMBER ONE, OKAY, GOAL FIVE. 
          SO GOAL FIVE IS TEDIOUS AND TECHNICAL, AND I APOLOGIZE, IT'S COMING FROM, UH, SOME COMMUNITY INPUT AND STAFF GOAL THAT THERE BE, THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR A FULL ZONING OR DEVELOP NEW BUILDING STANDARDS OR HOWEVER LONG SOME EXTRA PROCESS AFTER THE GENERAL PLAN MIGHT TAKE TO START REQUIRING FUTURE FLOOD SAFETY IN WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE BUILDING. 
          WE DON'T WANT TO MISS HOWEVER MANY YEARS THAT IS UNTIL WE FORMALIZE AN IZO OR UPDATE BUILDING STANDARDS. 
          AND THAT'S WHY THIS SECTION GOT QUITE BLOATED AND IT HAS, IT TRIES TO EXPLAIN ITSELF IN A COUPLE DIFFERENT WAYS. 
          FUNDAMENTALLY, WHAT IT'S TRYING TO DO IS SAY, UH, PROVIDE A PROCESS FOR ENSURING THAT AS INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPMENTS HAPPEN, THEY HAVE TO MEET CERTAIN STANDARDS OF FUTURE FLOOD SAFETY AND HOW DO THEY DOCUMENT THAT? AND IT'S A REALLY COMPLEX CHALLENGE BECAUSE DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS, DIFFERENT LAND USES AND UH, WILL HAVE REALLY, SHOULD BE, SHOULD HAVE FLEXIBILITY ABOUT WHAT FLOOD SCENARIO IS APPROPRIATE TO THEM. 
          THERE'S NOT ONE FLOOD THAT APPLIES TO PLANNING EVERY PROJECT. 
          'CAUSE IF YOU'RE BUILDING A PARK BENCH OR YOU'RE BUILDING A HOUSE, OR YOU'RE BUILDING A HOSPITAL, VERY DIFFERENT FLOODS THAT YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER, UH, THE BENCH. 
          WE DON'T HAVE TO BE THAT SAFE ABOUT THAT ONE. 
          UM, COMPARED TO CRITICAL CITY INFRASTRUCTURE, WE MIGHT, WE PROBABLY WANNA LOOK AT THE WORST CASE SCENARIO, THE FARTHEST OUT WE CAN, UH, AND HAVE THAT BE THE, THE SCENARIO WE CONSIDER. 
          SO WHAT THIS DOES IS IT LAYS OUT A NUMBER OF THINGS. 
          FIRST. 
          IT, UH, IT DEFINES THESE MAP PRODUCTS. 
          IT'S ACTUALLY THE TECHNICAL DEFINITION OF THESE MAP PRODUCTS THAT YOU HAVE SEEN AND ARE ON PLAN PETALUMA. 
          UH, WHAT SCENARIOS GO INTO EACH OF THOSE MAPS? WHAT IS THE TECHNICAL RATIONALE, THE PROBABILITY, THE SOURCE OF EACH OF THOSE TRYING TO LAY OUT A ROADMAP? AS THOSE MAPS EVOLVE, AS WE GET NEW DATA, WE CAN ALWAYS LOOK BACK, EVEN 20 YEARS BACK AND GO, AH, THE CITY AGREED THIS WAS THE LEVEL OF HAZARD THAT WAS APPROPRIATE TO THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND NOW BECAUSE WE HAVE THESE THREE MAPS, WE NEED TO HAVE A PROCESS OF DECIDING, OKAY, WHAT, UH, WHAT SCENARIOS APPROPRIATE TO DIFFERENT USES. 
          SO WE PROVIDE SOME, 
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UH, DEFINITIONS OF THESE TYPES OF USES ARE APPROPRIATE TO THAT MAP AND THESE TYPES OF USES ARE APPROPRIATE TO THAT MAP. 
          AND WHAT IT BASICALLY DOES IS MAKE THE, THE APPLICANT, UH, PROBABLY USING A CITY PROVIDED GIS ONLINE TOOL ABLE TO CLICK THEIR PROPERTY. 
          AND IT WOULD BASICALLY SPIT OUT, OKAY, HERE'S THE, THE FIRM MAP WATER LEVEL, HERE'S THE, THE, THE CITY'S FLOOD MAP LEVEL, AND HERE'S THE STANDARD. 
          YOU GOTTA BUILD THAT HIGH RIGHT NOW. 
          THAT'S WHAT YOUR BUILDING STANDARD FINISHED FLOOR HAS TO BE AT LEAST THAT HIGH. 
          AND HERE'S THIS FUTURE NUMBER THAT APPLIES TO YOU HOW HIGH THE WATER MIGHT BE IN THE FUTURE. 
          YOU HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT YOU ARE GOING TO BE SAFE TO THAT LEVEL. 
          YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO RAISE YOUR BUILDING TO THAT LEVEL. 
          UM, BUT YOU NEED TO DEMONSTRATE THAT IN THE FUTURE, THE BUILDING CAN BE SAFE TO THAT LEVEL. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT STRATEGIES FOR THAT IF DESIGNED FROM THE GET GO. 
          IT'S QUITE EASY TO LIFT BUILDINGS. 
          UM, YOU CAN HAVE FIRST FLOORS THAT ARE EXTRA TALL SO THAT IN THE FUTURE YOU CAN LIFT THE FLOOR. 
          YOU CAN HAVE, UM, TEMPORARY BARRIERS BE PUT ON THAT CAN RESIST THE FLOOD WATER FOR THE DAY OF THE FIRST FLOORS. 
          CAN BE OF CERTAIN USE OF BUILDINGS CAN BE DESIGNED TO BE FLOODED AS IN NOT DAMAGED BY THE FLOOD. 
          THE QUESTION OF WHAT DOES KERRVILLE DO? LOOK AT THE PROPERTIES DOWN ON THE RIVER. 
          THE FIRST FLOORS DON'T HAVE SHEET ROCK AND THEY DON'T HAVE INSULATION. 
          UH, AND THEY'RE NOT THE MAIN LIVING SPACES. 
          WET FLOOD PROOFING. 
          THERE'S ANOTHER STRATEGY. 
          ORIGINALLY THIS SECTION WAS EVEN BIGGER AND IT LAID OUT IN A LOT OF SPECIFICITY WHAT TYPES OF ADAPTATION WERE APPROPRIATE. 
          AND WE ENDED UP PULLING THAT OUT 'CAUSE IT JUST WASN'T QUITE APPROPRIATE TO A GENERAL PLAN. 
          IT WAS GETTING TOO SPECIFIC. 
          UM, AND IT WAS GETTING TOO REGIMENTED. 
          ONE OF THE REALITIES IS THESE ADAPTATIONS PROBABLY WON'T HAPPEN FOR DECADES AND NEW TECHNOLOGIES WILL BE AROUND NEW PATTERNS. 
          UH, NEW DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS WILL BE AROUND. 
          UM, AND THE, THE, THE INDUSTRY OF ARCHITECTURE AND FLOOD INDUSTRY AND FLOOD PROTECTION WILL ALSO BE EVOLVING. 
          SO WE DON'T WANT TO ACCIDENTALLY PRECLUDE ANY SORT OF ADAPTATION. 
          THERE WAS ALSO A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH ON, WELL, WHY NOT JUST MAKE THEM DO EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW, BUILD THE BUILDING EXTRA HIGH OR INSTALL THE FLOOD SAFETIES RIGHT NOW, OR DON'T ALLOW ANYTHING OF MODERATE AND HIGH, UH, SAFETY CONCERN ANY OF THOSE USES IN THE FLOOD AREAS. 
          UM, AND WE ARE FINDING THAT WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS THE BALANCE THAT WE CAME TO, THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR INPUT ON OF IS WHAT'S IN HERE IN FIVE GOAL FIVE SUFFICIENT SO THAT WE ARE NOT PUTTING BUILDINGS IN PLACES THAT WON'T BE ABLE TO BE SAFE IN THE FUTURE. 
          UM, SO THAT'S THE FUNDAMENTAL COMPROMISE IN NUMBER FIVE. 
          THAT'LL MAKE SENSE. 
          I THINK THE LAST STATEMENT YOU MAKE COULD, COULD BE TYPED OUT AS A POLICY OR INCLUDING THE GOAL, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE ARE, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE IT TALKS ABOUT TO PROVIDE FOR FUTURE FLOOD RESILIENCE, WHICH AGAIN, WE'RE USING THE WORD RESILIENCE, BUT IT'S LIKE TO MAKE THE BUILDING SAFER, YOU KNOW, LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK EVERYONE CAN GET BEHIND THAT GOAL. 
          AND IF WE MADE IT LAY DOWN IN MAYBE MORE HUMAN TERMS. UM, AND THEN YOU SOMEWHAT ADDRESSED MY QUESTIONS IN YOUR EXPLANATION. 
          WHEN I READ THIS, I THOUGHT IT WAS ALL ABOUT RAISING THE BUILDING HEIGHTS, LIKE ONE FOOT OR TWO FEET. 
          AND THEN IN YOUR EXPLANATION YOU LAY OUT THAT IT DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY RAISE THE BUILDINGS THAT IT'S JUST LIKE THE LIVABLE FLOOR AREA AND WE CAN DO THE GREENVILLE THING OR WHATEVER. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S MAYBE JUST A LACK OF TECHNICAL KNOWLEDGE IN THIS FRAMEWORK HERE, BUT AT LEAST BY THE TIME WE DO GET TO, YOU KNOW, LIKE I, I WENT AND REREAD THE DEFINITION OF ADAPTATION PATHWAY SEVERAL TIMES, YOU KNOW, AND THEN IT'S LIKE, HAS THESE DIFFERENT BASIC COMPONENTS AND THEN THE DEFINITION OF ADAPTATION AND THAT THERE ARE FOUR ADAPTATION STRATEGIES. 
          AND SO MAYBE JUST REITERATING THE NUMBER OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF ADAPTATION HERE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I CAN IMAGINE IT STARTED EVEN MORE COMPREHENSIVE, BUT THIS EVEN TO ME IS LIKE, SEEMS TOO PRESCRIPTIVE. 
          UM, AND I DON'T, I THINK YOU MADE SOME ACCOMMODATIONS TO ARRIVE AT THAT POINT, BUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T NEED TO BE PRESCRIPTIVE AT THIS STAGE. 
          WE NEED TO BE HAVING A PLANNING CONVERSATION AROUND WHAT 
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WE SHOULD CODIFY. 
          SO THAT'S NOT A SPECIFIC COMMENT OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A REMINDER OF WHAT, UM, ADAPTATION IS. 
          YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE MORE THAN FOUR THINGS, THERE PROBABLY ARE, YOU KNOW, LIKE, LET'S JUST LAY OUT THE KITCHEN SINK POSSIBLY BY THE TIME WE GET TO LIKE, TELLING PEOPLE WHAT THEY CAN AND SHOULD DO. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UH, WITH THEIR DEVELOPMENTS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UH, IS ANYONE ELSE? YEAH, I JUST WANNA, WANNA THANK YOU FOR, FOR THIS ONE. 
          UM, FOR YEAH. 
          ESPECIALLY THE, WHAT YOU SAID AND DESCRIBED, UM, THE TYPE OF BUILDING, THE PURPOSE OF THE BUILDING. 
          YEAH. 
          THE STYLE OF THE BUILDING. 
          AND I CAN THINK OF DIRECTLY SOME CONCRETE EXAMPLES RIGHT NOW THAT WE MIGHT BE DEALING WITH. 
          UH, THE SID COMMONS IS ONE THAT, THAT HAVE BUILDINGS THAT ARE GONNA BE WHAT TYPE OF BUILDING CAN BE NEAR AT THE BOTTOM OF THE HILL VERSUS AT THE TOP OF THE HILL. 
          AND ALSO WE HAVE OTHER PROPERTIES ALONG THE NORTH RIVER THAT IF, IF THEY CHOOSE TO, UH, USE WHATEVER STATE LAWS TO DEVELOP, THERE MIGHT BE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE LOWER ELEVATION BUILDINGS AND THE UPPER LEVEL ELEVATION BUILDINGS FOR THEIR PURPOSES AND THE LIKE. 
          SO THAT, SO THE COATING WILL BE QUITE DIFFERENT AS THINGS GO IN. 
          UM, UH, AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT SAFETY FOR PEOPLE AND BUILDINGS AND FOR EVACUATION PURPOSES, UH, ALL TOGETHER. 
          AND THAT, UM, THAT WOULD BE, THAT'S GONNA BE A TASK TO KIND OF FLESH THIS OUT AS TO BUILDING STYLE AND PURPOSE, UM, AND SAFETY FEATURES AND, AND PEOPLE MOVEMENT, UM, THROUGH PUTTING THAT IN, INTO THIS TYPE OF, UM, CATEGORY THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE DIFFICULT, BUT I, I'D CHALLENGE YOU TO DO IT. 
          UM, ONE COMMENT I'D LIKE TO MAKE IS, I PLAN TO PUT A LITTLE MORE TIME INTO THIS ONE BECAUSE OF THE LEVELS, BUT LIKE, JOHN, I REALLY APPRECIATE THIS. 
          IS THERE A PRECEDENT FOR THIS OR IS THIS LIKE COOKED UP BRAND NEW FOR PETALUMA? NO, UM, LOCAL PRECEDENTS, THIS IS PRETTY MUCH, IT'S PRETTY MUCH A COPY OF SAUSALITOS TO BE HONEST. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THEY HAVE THIS STANDARD THROUGH THEIR PLANNING PROCESS. 
          MM-HMM. 
           THAT SAYS YOU'RE GONNA COME IN, YOU'RE GONNA BUILD THE BUILDING TO CERTAIN CURRENT, YOU KNOW, FEMA STANDARDS PLUS A BIT EXTRA MORE THAN THE MINIMUM. 
          AND THEN YOU HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT IN SOME WAY THE BUILDING IS ABLE TO BE SAFE IN THE FUTURE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, SO I CAN SPEAK DIRECTLY TO SAUSALITOS. 
          UM, AND YEAH, NUMEROUS, A COUPLE OTHER JURISDICTIONS ACROSS THE, UH, IN THE BAY AREA. 
          THERE'S SOME PLACES THAT HAVE TAKEN THIS FURTHER MORE AGGRESSIVE MM-HMM. 
          , PARTICULARLY COASTAL. 
          UH, THERE'S A COUPLE JURISDICTIONS IN HAWAII THAT ARE EVEN MORE SEVERE THAN THIS. 
          MM-HMM. 
           IN TERMS OF YOU HAVE TO DO MORE UPFRONT. 
          YEAH. 
          I GUESS THEY HAVE LESS FAITH IN THE ABILITY TO, TO ADAPT IN THE FUTURE. 
          THEY'RE ALSO DEALING WITH DIFFERENT HAZARDS. 
          UH, WE'RE NOT A COASTAL HAZARD RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, TO JOHN'S POINT ABOUT LOSS OF MARSHES IN THE FUTURE, WE MAY START EXPERIENCING COASTAL EFFECTS OF WAVE ACTION. 
          WE'RE LUCKY WE DON'T RIGHT NOW. 
          THE, THE MARSH PROTECTS US. 
          UM, AND THERE'S ANOTHER COUPLE THINGS IN HERE YOU'LL NOTICE. 
          THERE'S, UH, SOME MORE CONSIDERATION OF, IN CERTAIN CASES, THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD, THE A HUNDRED YEAR CURRENT FLOOD MIGHT, MIGHT NOT QUITE BE ENOUGH OF A STANDARD. 
          YOU MIGHT WANNA LOOK AT THE 500 AND THERE'S SOME PRECEDENT FOR THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, MORE SO COMING OUTTA HURRICANE COUNTRY, UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE EXPERIENCING THESE RAIN EVENTS THAT ARE JUST BLOWING THE PREDICTIVE USE OF THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD. 
          YEAH. 
          OUTTA THE WATER. 
          THAT'S BAD  ANALOGY. 
          BUT, UM, SO I WOULD SAY IT'S, IT'S SUPPORTED BY OTHER, UH, REGIONAL PRECEDENT. 
          AND THIS ENTIRE NOTION OF THE ADAPTATION PATHWAY IS REALLY BUILT ON THE, THE, THE BAY, THE BAYFRONT ADAPTATION ATLAS THAT BCDC HAS WORKED ON. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UH, MIMICKING A LOT OF THE RECOMMENDED, UM, ADAPTATION PROCESS THAT CAME OUT OF MARIN BAY WAVE. 
          AND LUCKILY WE HAVE SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO WORKED ON MARIN BAY WAVE, THAT WAS THEIR, BASICALLY THEIR FLOOD ADAPTATION MASTER PLAN, UH, ARE ACTUALLY ON THE GPAC, WHICH IS PRETTY HANDY. 
          UM, AND THEN SOME OTHER, UH, BAY AREA WIDE, UH, ADAPTATION THINGS LIKE ADAPTING TO RISING TIDES. 
          MM-HMM. 
           KIND OF LAYS OUT THIS PROCESS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, WE'RE USING THAT AS THE FRAMEWORK FOR THIS, BUT SPECIFICALLY THIS SORT OF IDEA OF RAISING FLOOR LEVELS OR, UM, MODIFYING BY BUILDING TYPE USE AND SO FORTH. 
          OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, SAUSALITO HERE AND A COUPLE CITIES THAT WE'VE WORKED IN ON THE EAST COAST. 
          GREAT. 
          THANKS. 
          NICE WORK. 
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OKAY. 
          ONLY A COUPLE MORE GOAL GOALS TO GO. 
          AND WE'RE AROUND THE 10 O'CLOCK MARK. 
          UM, SORRY, GOAL SIX, SAFE AGAINST RISING FLOODS. 
          I GUESS I HAVE A PARTICULAR, UM, UH, I'LL CALL IT A CONCERN REGARDING 6.1 ABOUT LIKE ALL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, UM, BEING BUILT FOR LONG-TERM FLOOD RESISTANCE. 
          I KNOW THAT'S NOT HAPPENING TODAY, AND I KNOW THERE ARE LIKE GOOD REASONS WHY WE WOULDN'T DO THAT. 
          AND SO I THINK, UM, SOME CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, UH, ARE OKAY TO FLOOD. 
          AND SO THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS POLICY EXACTLY SAYS. 
          AND I, SO I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A CONSIDERATION FOR BEING OKAY WITH BUILDING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT CAN FLOOD, YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY LIKE ROADS, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE THAT EVENTUALLY WE DON'T NEED ALL OUR ROADS AND EVERYONE IS BOATING OR WHO KNOWS, OR WE'RE ALL ON ELEVATED MICROT TRANSIT PATHWAYS OR WHATEVER. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SPECIFIC EXAMPLES AND BRIDGES I CAN THINK OF WHERE WE BUILT THEM KNOWING THAT THEY WILL BE SUSCEPTIBLE TO SEA LEVEL RISE AND FLOODING. 
          AND SO WHAT DID THEY SAY APPROPRIATE TO ITS RISK TOLERANCE? YEAH. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T, THE ROADS IN PARTICULAR, WE'VE NOTICED THAT AS A LOOPHOLE, AS A, AS A GAP IN THIS CERTAIN ROADS NEED TO BE SAFE, THESE ARTERIALS, THESE THINGS THAT PROVIDE EMERGENCY ACCESS. 
          WE LEARNED THAT IN A PORTION OF PAY RAN WHEN THE FLOOD DEPTH IS TOO HIGH FOR THE FIRE TRUCKS TO GET THROUGH, THAT WAS A CRITICAL ROAD, WHEREAS SOME OTHERS MIGHT BE LESS CRITICAL. 
          YEAH. 
          WE NEED TO SPECIFY THAT. 
          DO DO YOU THINK THE APPROPRIATE TO ITS RISK TOLERANCE CAPTURES THAT FULLY OR NOT SUFFICIENTLY. 
          OKAY. 
          I AGREE WITH YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE, I GUESS THERE WOULD BE A COMMUNITY PROCESS  AROUND, LIKE WHO GETS TO DECIDE THAT. 
          UM, YEAH. 
          BUT ANYWAY, THAT WAS, THAT WAS ONE BIG POINT I HAD ON, UH, 6.1 AND THEN, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN, UH, 6.2. 
          YEAH. 
          THIS, IF I WERE TO PICK ONE OF ONE POLICY OF THIS ONE, IT'D BE 6.2. 
          UM, WE'RE WE'RE DEVELOPING FLOOD CONTROL EFFORTS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHERE AT THE LAST MEETING THERE WAS THAT DISTRICT AND YOU GO TO ALL THE MEETINGS. 
          AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THAT PARTICULAR ENTITY IS MENTIONED IN THIS DOCUMENT. 
          SHOULD, THIS SHOULD BE A COLLABORATION WITH ZONE TWO A, ZONE TWO, I NEED TO PUT IT. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          ACTION. 
          6.3 POINT FOUR'S, LIKE ZONE TWO, A PARTIAL TAX. 
          UM, BUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THIS IS, THERE'S A OPPORTUNITY TO HIGHLIGHT ZONE TWO A IF WE SO CHOOSE, UH, AS A POLICY. 
          AND THEN LIKE, UM, IN THE LAST CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION MEETING, THERE WAS THE NATURAL SYSTEMS FRAMEWORK AND THAT TALKED ABOUT DEVELOPING LIKE FLOATABLE FIELDS, I THINK, WHICH IS GREAT. 
          AND WE SHOULD DEFINITELY BE DOING THAT. 
          AND THAT SHOULD POSSIBLY BE LINKED OR BRIDGED HERE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AND THESE ACTIONS ARE ALL GOOD. 
          AND I WOULD JUST HIGHLIGHT THIS POLICY AS BEING ONE OF THE TOP ONES BECAUSE THIS IS LIKE, WE CAN ACTUALLY MAKE PRACTICAL IMPACTS AND CREATE NEW PARKS AND GREEN SPACES, UH, THROUGH THIS EFFORT. 
          SO YEAH. 
          AND THAT'S ONE OF THE ELEMENTS WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO REALLY EMPHASIZE IN THIS BASED ON EARLY COMMUNITY AND GPAC AND YOUR INPUT, UM, IS WE NEED TO DO THE FLOOD PROTECTION, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO BE HAMSTRUNG AND ONLY THINK ABOUT FLOOD PROTECTION KIND OF THE WAY THAT IT HAS BEEN DONE FOR THE LAST 50 YEARS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE GRAY INFRASTRUCTURE IS NEEDED. 
          SOMETIMES WE WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE TO DO IT. 
          THAT'S JUST THE REALITY. 
          THEIR, THEIR FLOOD WALLS ARE GREAT PROBLEM SOLVERS IF YOU GET BACKED INTO A CORNER. 
          BUT A HEALTHY RIVER, UH, PROPERLY FUNCTIONING WATERSHED WITH UPPER HEAD WATER RETENTION AND HEALTHY FLOODPLAINS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, RESTORATION OF OUR UPPER WET MEADOWS TO RETAIN FLOOD WATERS. 
          THAT'S THE NEW GENERATION OF FLOOD PROTECTION. 
          UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S A HYDROLOGICAL PROCESS THAT WE HAVE DESTROYED OVER THE LAST 170 YEARS. 
          AND, UH, WE CAN ACCOMPLISH SOME OF OUR SAFETY BY RESTORING THAT. 
          AND SOME WILL BE ENGINEERED SYSTEMS, BUT WHEREVER POSSIBLE, HOW CAN WE, UH, DOUBLE THE BENEFIT AND GET, CAN WE GET SOME GROUNDWATER RECHARGE OUTTA IT? CAN WE GET HABITAT? CAN WE GET HABITAT CONNECTIVITY? CAN WE GET CARBON SEQUESTRATION? CAN WE GET IMPROVED WATER QUALITY? WHAT CAN WE GET WHEN WE'RE SPENDING MONEY ON FLOOD CONTROL? AND THE OTHER PART ABOUT THIS IS LET'S DESIGN FLOOD CONTROL 
          [03:35:01]
THAT WE'RE GOING TO KEEP BUILDING NOW AND WE'LL BUILD, YOU KNOW, IN THE NEXT 10, 20 YEARS WE'RE GONNA DO THAT. 
          BUT LET'S MAKE SURE IT FITS INTO THE PLAN FOR 2100. 
          SO ONE THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING IN THE WAY OF, YOU KNOW, THOSE THINGS THAT WE'RE BUILDING NOW AREN'T GETTING IN THE WAY OF GOOD THINGS WE CAN DO IN THE FUTURE. 
          AND ALSO, SO WE IDENTIFY, UH, WHAT OPEN SPACES NOW ARE MAYBE NOT SUPER VALUABLE CURRENTLY FOR FLOOD SAFETY, BUT WILL BE IN THE FUTURE. 
          AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S SOME ACTIONS IN HERE ABOUT, WE DON'T NEED TO FULLY DESIGN AND ENGINEER THE FUTURE SUITE OF FLOOD SAFETY, BUT WE WANNA CONCEPTUALLY DESIGN IT AND GET A SENSE OF WHAT IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE. 
          UM, ONE THING I WOULD ADD ON THE, UM, STAKEHOLDERS AND PUBLIC EDUCATION, UM, HAVING, UH, WORKED ON THE, UM, THE WATERSHED ENHANCEMENT PLAN, UH, A COUPLE COUPLE YEARS, UH, WORKING WITH THE RCD, NOW, ONE OF THE CRITICAL, UM, THINGS THAT THEY, THAT NEED TO HAPPEN THAT THEY WANTED TO SEE GRANTS FOR WAS, UM, UPSTREAM EROSION CONTROL, WHICH CONTROLLED THAT THE SEDIMENT AND OTHER THINGS COMING DOWNHILL AT US. 
          UM, AND THAT WE ARE HAVE NOT DONE A VERY GOOD JOB IN OUR UPHILL EROSION MANAGEMENT EXCEPT FROM SAN ANTONIO CREEK, UH, LE HOW CREEK AND OTHER PLACES. 
          SO EVEN IF WE DO DRAINAGE BASINS, THAT WOULD FILL UP WITH, UM, SEDIMENT RATHER QUICKLY, UH, FROM THE EROSION IF WE DON'T HELP OUR COMMUNITY, OUR WATERSHED PARTNERS, UM, TO DO A BETTER JOB OF, OF MANAGING THE EROSION OR PREVENTING IT IN VARIOUS WAYS. 
          SO SEVERAL OF THE GRANTS THAT WERE BEING PROMOTED OR PROPOSED THROUGH THE ENHANCEMENT PLAN EFFORT, UH, WAS, WAS UPHILL EROSION MANAGEMENT. 
          UM, LIKE THAT. 
          SO IN, IN OUR, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'D, I THINK WE WOULD EVEN CALL THAT OUT AS A, UM, UM, A SERVICE THAT WE NEED TO DO OR PART OF A GOAL WORKING WITH THE RESOURCE CONSERVATION DISTRICT AND AS A SPECIFIC STAKEHOLDER, UH, AND TO HELP THE UPHILL, UH, EROSION MANAGEMENT, UM, SO THAT WE CAN ENSURE IN OUR WATERSHED THAT THAT DOESN'T IMPACT US HERE IN OUR CITY AS MUCH. 
          AND WE NEED TO SUPPORT THEM, EVEN IF IT MEANS, UH, FINANCIALLY HELPING THEM, UH, WITH VARIOUS GRANTS AND THINGS TO MANAGE THAT EROSION UPSTREAM. 
          SO, UM, IF WE'RE NOT ALLOWING THEM TO DEVELOP, THEN WE NEED TO HELP THEM, UH, MANAGE THEIR LANDS BETTER, UH, IN, IN, IN A TIT FOR TAT. 
          'CAUSE WE'RE NOT, WE DON'T WANNA BE FRESNO AND JUST LET, LET FOLKS DEVELOP. 
          SO STOP DEVELOPMENT THAT, THAT, THAT'S THE CARROT WOULD BE, OH, WE WILL HELP PAY FOR YOUR, UH, FOR YOUR LAND MANAGEMENT TYPE THING. 
          SO I JUST THROW THAT AS A CONCEPT OF, UH, OF A POSSIBLE POLICY THAT WE WANT TO EITHER INTEGRATE OR AT LEAST SUGGEST AS A POSSIBILITY HERE. 
          AND THAT'D BE A GREAT CROSS POLICY TO SOME OF THE CARBON GOALS AS WELL. 
          'CAUSE AS WAS BROUGHT UP EARLIER WHEN WE'RE TALKING MEETING SEQUESTRATION GOALS, WE HAVE TO BE LOOKING AT OUTSIDE CITY LIMITS AS WELL. 
          HOW DO WE SUPPORT THE BIG VOLUME SEQUESTRATION THAT'S USUALLY LAND MANAGEMENT AND THE STRATEGIES THAT RETAIN WATER AND PROTECT US TYPICALLY ARE PRETTY GOOD CARBON PAYOFFS TOO. 
          UM, I'LL JUST SAY THE LAST COMMENTS I HAD ON THIS GOAL IS LIKE WHAT YOU DESCRIBED IS, SHOULD BE THE, UM, DESCRIPTION AT LEAST OF THE POLICY 6.2 AND POSSIBLY THE GOAL LIKE DEVELOP THE NEXT GENERATION OF FLOODING THAT LIKE HAS ALL THESE GREAT PETS, LIKE WHAT YOU SAID, WHAT SOUNDED REALLY GOOD AND MUCH BETTER THAN, UH, DEVELOP FLOOD CONTROL EFFORTS. 
          YOU KNOW, SO LIKE, NOT THAT WE NEED THE FRAMEWORK TO BE VERY ELEGANT LANGUAGE, BUT EVENTUALLY BY THE TIME WE GET TO THE GENERAL PLAN, LIKE WHAT YOU SAID AND WHAT WE ARE DOING CAN BE ELEVATED, UH, WITH THE LANGUAGE WE USE. 
          SO I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTARY AROUND THAT. 
          UM, GOAL SEVEN EMPOWERED STAKEHOLDERS. 
          GIVEN THE LATE HOUR, I'M GONNA REQUEST THAT EVERYONE PROVIDES COMMENTS ON THIS GOAL AND WE MAKE THEM, UH, SOMEWHAT BRIEF AND TO THE POINT AND THEN WE CAN WRAP UP, UH, HERE IN SHORT ORDER. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT ONE? YEAH. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          . 
          HOT SEAT. 
          I MEAN, I'LL JUST SAY THAT LIKE, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY MY FAVORITE 'CAUSE I'M BIG ON, I'M BIG ON EDUCATION AND, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT'S GOING ON SO THAT THEY CAN TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTIONS. 
          BUT I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE ANY CRITICISM. 
          OKAY. 
          GO. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          LIKE, UH, AMY, I'M A BIG FAN OF ALL THE EDUCATION ONES AND IN PARTICULAR I WANNA, HOWEVER, ONCE AGAIN LOOK FOR STRONGER LANGUAGE IN PARTICULAR UNDER ACTION 7.1 0.3. 
          NOT ENCOURAGE REAL ESTATE TRANSACTIONS TO INCLUDE THREE FLOOD HAZARD MAPS, BUT REQUIRE, UM, LET'S, UH, NOT BE TOO WISHY-WASHY HERE BECAUSE ENCOURAGE DOES 
          [03:40:01]
NOTHING. 
          UM, I ALSO LIKE THE IDEA OF THE ADAPTATION GUIDE. 
          I THINK 7.1 0.4 IS REALLY TERRIFIC AND MY OTHER FAVORITE HERE WAS, UH, 7.1 0.9. 
          UM, YEAH, JUST GET AS MUCH OF THAT INFORMATION OUT THERE IN PUBLIC HANDS TO SORT OF CALIBRATE EXPECTATIONS. 
          ALL OF THESE ONES THAT ARE PROACTIVE. 
          AGAIN, UM, LIKE BEN, I WAS ALSO A BIG FAN OF, OF 6.2 OF GETTING AHEAD OF, YOU KNOW, LIKE NOT ONLY ARE WE LOOKING AT FIXING PROBLEMS, WE'RE TRYING TO PREVENT THEM FROM HAPPENING OR REALLY REDUCING THEIR MAGNITUDE. 
          AND SO I THINK EDUCATION REALLY ADDRESSES THAT AS DO SOME OF THESE THINGS LIKE, LET'S DO BETTER WITH OUR, UM, WATER RETENTION AND ANTI CARBON SEQUESTRATION SIMULTANEOUSLY. 
          THANKS. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, MIKE, I'LL FOCUS MY COMMENTS ON POLICY 7.2 PARTNER WITH REGIONAL STAKEHOLDERS. 
          THAT'S ONE OF MY TOP FAVORITES IS ALWAYS THE REGIONAL PARTNERSHIPS. 
          UM, I GUESS I WOULD SAY FOR THIS ONE TO LIKE ENHANCE OR EXPAND IT IS LIKE WE THINK WE KNOW WHO OUR REGIONAL PARTNERS ARE OR AT LEAST THE STAFF DOES, YOU KNOW, AND THERE ARE A LOT OF 'EM AND THEY'RE DIFFERENT AND I CERTAINLY DON'T KNOW ALL OF 'EM, YOU KNOW, AND IF I DID KNOW SOME MORE OF 'EM, MAYBE I WOULD GO TO THESE, THOSE MEETINGS TOO, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? BUT LIKE, AT THE SAME TIME, THERE ARE THOSE PARTNERS THAT JOHN TRIS LIKE KNOWS AND WORKS WITH AND MENTIONS THE RCD AND ALL THAT. 
          AND SO MY POINT IS, THERE SHOULD BE AN EFFORT TO LIKE DOCUMENT AND PROMOTE THOSE PARTNERSHIPS AT THE STAFF LEVEL AND AT THE COMMUNITY LEVEL AND THEN SEEK NEW PARTNERS. 
          AND SO THE SEEKING NEW PARTNERS, LIKE THERE WILL BE NEW PARTNERS, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER STATE AGENCY TO DEAL WITH THIS IN THE FUTURE WILL COME INTO EXISTENCE OR THE OBSCURE AGENCY THAT EXISTS RIGHT NOW, WHICH WE JUST HAVEN'T ENCOUNTERED YET. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND SO LIKE, THIS IS SORT OF, IT SEEMS TO ME A LITTLE BIT LIKE STATUS QUO. 
          LIKE, HEY, WE ARE, HAVE OUR PARTNERS AND WE'RE DOING OUR WORK, AND IT'S LIKE, LET'S JUST THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE. 
          HOW DO WE THINK ABOUT NEW PARTNERS? HOW DO WE THINK ABOUT THE NEEDS WE HAVE WHERE PARTNERS DON'T EXIST YET? AND LIKE WE NEED TO CREATE THOSE PARTNERS. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S MY COMMENTS ON, UH, GOAL SEVEN. 
          UM, I HAVE ANOTHER SIMILAR COMMENT ON 7.3 AS I HAD EARLIER. 
          I, UH, LET'S SEE. 
          UNDER, LET'S SEE, WELL, JUST THE TITLE OF POLICY 7.3. 
          RATHER THAN PROMOTE PROACTIVE ADAPTATION, ENSURE OR REQUIRE PROACTIVE ADAPTATION. 
          UH, AND MORE SPECIFICALLY, LET'S SEE IN 3.4. 
          UM, YEAH, REQUIRED DEVELOPMENT. 
          I THINK THIS ONE'S, UH, ALSO VERY IMPORTANT ONE. 
          SO IN OTHER WORDS, WE'RE NOT JUST LOOKING TO WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT THESE, YOU KNOW, OPEN SPACE LANDS, BUT WE CAN'T ALLOW DEVELOPMENT TO DIMINISH OUR CAPACITY. 
          WE HAVE TO REALLY PUT THOSE, THE BURDENS ON NEW DEVELOPMENT TO, TO MEET THESE HIGHER STANDARDS. 
          BEN, YOU GOT ANYTHING? I'M, I'M GOOD. 
          I'VE, I'VE SAID EVERYTHING I WANTED TO SAY. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          ANY PARTING WORDS ON YOUR END? I AM REALLY GLAD RON'S BEEN CAPTURING, UH, CONTENT. 
          I THINK WE HAVE THREE NOTE TAKERS. 
          UM, REALLY APPRECIATE THE INPUT. 
          I THINK ONE OF THE BIG CHALLENGES, WELL RON MIGHT SPEAK TO IT MORE, IS, UH, THIS NEXT ROUND OF JUST HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU INTEGRATE? WE'VE BEEN SILOING THESE FRAMEWORKS WHEN OF COURSE I THINK, YOU KNOW, ALL OF US CONSULTANTS ARE IN THE SAME MINDSET OF THAT'S AN EXPEDIENT TO DO CERTAIN PARTS OF THE WORK, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO FINAL KIND OF HOLISTIC PLANS, YOU NEED TO FIND WAYS TO, TO INTEGRATE THEM. 
          AND THIS ONE'S GONNA BE PARTICULARLY DIFFICULT IN THAT IT HAS SO MUCH SPECIFICITY AND IS A REALLY TECHNICALLY HEAVY FRAMEWORK. 
          UM, AND, UM, JUST ALWAYS LOOKING FOR INPUT ON, UM, STRATEGIES TO CHANGE THE MESSAGING FOR, FOR MORE CLARITY. 
          UM, THESE THINGS MAKE SENSE TO THOSE OF US STAFF, UH, CONSULTANTS AND CITY WHO'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR A YEAR AND A HALF. 
          BUT WE KIND OF NEED CONTINUOUS INPUT FROM YOU GUYS, UM, FROM YOU GUYS AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS YOU MIGHT, UH, BE ABLE TO CONVINCE TO COMMENT ON THIS THROUGH, THROUGH THE DIFFERENT, UM, PORTALS TO, TO ADVISE ON WHAT'S NEEDED SO THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY A EDUCATIONAL AND 
          [03:45:01]
UNDERSTANDABLE TOOL, UH, FOR EVERYBODY. 
          I DON'T WANT THIS TO JUST BE USEFUL TO PLANNERS AND ENGINEERS. 
          GREAT. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, RON, ANYTHING? THANK YOU FOR, UH, BEING HERE AND EVERYONE ELSE ON, UH, ON ONLINE. 
          OH, NO, JUST, UH, TO REITERATE WHAT SEBASTIAN SAID, I ALWAYS APPRECIATE HOW THOUGHTFUL YOUR COMMENTS ARE. 
          ALL EXTREMELY HELPFUL. 
          MY, MY HEAD IS SPINNING IN TERMS OF HOW WE MIGHT BETTER INTEGRATE, ORGANIZE SOME OF THESE KEY CONCEPTS, UM, AND INSPIRED VERY MUCH BY MANY OF YOUR COMMENTS. 
          SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          UH, YEAH, CHAIR, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ALL THE FRAMEWORKS THAT HAVE COME TO THIS CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION. 
          I THINK ONE OF THE BIG ONES THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IS THE LAND USE ALTERNATIVES. 
          AND I DON'T BELIEVE THE PLAN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, RON, THAT THE LAND USE WOULD NOT BE COMING TO THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION, BUT IT WOULD BE GOING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          SO I THINK WE'D STEER PEOPLE TO THAT MEETING IF THEY'RE REALLY INTERESTED IN THAT DISCUSSION. 
          IS THAT, DID I GET THAT RIGHT, RON? THAT'S A GOOD POINT. 
          I'M NOT SURE THAT DECISION'S BEEN MADE ACTUALLY. 
          OKAY. 
          I PART, I GUESS I THINK I HAD ASSUMED WE WOULD BE BRINGING LAND USE TO THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMITTEE, BUT I DO DETAIL IN OUR PLANNING YET. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, IN, IN AUGUST THEN, OR? OH, UH, NO. 
          UH, IF WE'RE NOT MEETING IN JULY, THEN I THINK WE'RE TAKING THE BLUEPRINT IN AUGUST, SO IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE SEPTEMBER. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          BUT THAT'S, BUT WE GOTTA TALK WITH PATRICK ABOUT THE, ABOUT YOUR SCHEDULE, SO, OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, I'M GLAD I ASKED THE QUESTION SO WE CAN PLANT THAT SEED FOR THAT, THAT DISCUSSION. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, AND I GUESS THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT APPOINTMENTS, UH, WILL BE MADE ON MONDAY AND WE DO STILL HAVE TWO YOUTH VACANCIES. 
          I WAS TOLD THAT, UH, THERE WAS ROBUST APPLICATIONS. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DO WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT SELECTION PROCESS, UH, GET YOUR COMMENTS OR DO YOUR HORSE TRADING BY MONDAY, UH, AND THEN COME, UH, AUGUST, WE WILL HAVE, UH, FULL SEATS UP HERE. 
          SO, UM, WITH THAT, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED AT 10:18 PM.
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