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          [CALL TO ORDER]
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          OKAY, EVERYBODY, WE ARE GONNA CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. 
          LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE RELATIVELY DECENT ATTENDANCE FOR THE FIRST TIME IN A WHILE, SO WELCOME EVERYONE. 
          . 
          THERE WON'T BE ANY STICKERS OR STAMPS OR SANDWICH CARDS, I'M AFRAID. 
          SO JUST WANNA TEMPER EXPECTATIONS. 
          UH, WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO ASK THE CLERK TO, UH, TAKE ROLL. 
          COMMISSIONER MOSES. 
          HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER MCFARLAND? HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER KUSON. 
          HERE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON. 
          HERE. 
          CHAIR HOOPER. 
          HERE. 
          WE HAVE A QUORUM. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          AND THEN OUR NEXT BIT IS TO GO INTO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          I JUST WANTED TO ASK BEFORE GOING TO THE SECTION, IS ANYBODY HERE FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT OR ARE THEY HERE FOR ONE OF THE AGENDA ITEMS? SO JUST RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU'RE HERE FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          WE'VE GONE THROUGH GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, THEN I'M GONNA ASK IF WE RECEIVED ANY GENERAL COMMENTS AHEAD OF THE MEETING WE RECEIVED. 
          NO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS AHEAD OF THE MEETING. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          UM, WE HAVE NO PRESENTATIONS TODAY, BUT WE'LL GO THROUGH 
          [APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. 
          WE HAVE MINUTES FROM OUR JUNE 11TH MEETING. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY EDITS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? GREAT. 
          IF WE COULD HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE. 
          COMMISSIONER MOSES? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER MCGRAIN? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER KUSON? YES. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON? YES. 
          CHAIR HOOPER? YES. 
          AND IT'S APPROVED. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          AND WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE ON 
          [PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION]
TO MEETING ITEM TWO, A PUBLIC HEARING, A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY OF PETALUMA PLANNING COMMISSION TO CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE A SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW OR SPAR FOR THE SCOTT RANCH RESIDENTIAL PROJECT CONSISTING OF THE DEV DEVELOPMENT OF 28 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOMES AND ASSOCIATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS. 
          AND WITH THAT, I'LL HAND THIS OVER TO STAFF. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CHAIR HOOPER. 
          UH, MY NAME'S MIKE JANAK. 
          I'M A SENIOR PLANNER AND CONSULTING PLANNER WITH M GROUP. 
          AND I'M GOING TO PRESENT THE STAFF REPORT FOR THIS, THE SCOTT RANCH, UH, RESIDENTIAL SPAR. 
          IT'S PLSR 20 23 0 0 1 5. 
          AN OVERVIEW OF MY PRO, UH, PRESENTATION THIS EVENING. 
          I WILL GO THROUGH BACKGROUND AND OFFER SOME CONTEXT, UM, GO THROUGH THE SCOPE OF WORK, UM, SUMMARIZE THE PUBLIC OUTREACH AND PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          UH, COMPARE THE PROPOSED PROJECT AGAINST THE APPLICABLE STANDARDS OF REVIEW AND PROVIDE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. 
          THE PROJECT SITE CONSISTS OF, UH, TWO PARCELS, UH, NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF WINDSOR DRIVE AND D STREET. 
          THE LARGER PARCEL, UH, IS REFERRED TO AS PARCEL TWO, AND THAT IS THE SOUTHERN PARCEL. 
          AND THEN THE NORTHERN PARCEL PARCEL ONE, UM, THE NORTHERN PARCEL PARCEL ONE IS, UH, CONSISTS OF ROLLING HILLS AND IS, UH, VACANT, CONSISTS OF GRASSLAND, UH, PARCEL ONE, THE SOUTHERN PARCEL. 
          THE, UH, PRIMARY FEATURE IS KELLY CREEK, AND YOU CAN SEE IT, UH, MEANDER THROUGH, UH, THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE SCREEN. 
          THERE'S THE RIPARIAN CORRIDOR THERE. 
          UM, THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT, UM, IS REALLY, UH, MOSTLY, UM, IF YOU FOLLOW MY CURSOR, UH, THE NORTHWESTERN CORNER OF PARCEL ONE, AND THEN ABOUT HALF OF PARCEL TWO. 
          AND SO THAT'LL BE WHERE PRI OUR PRIMARY FOCUS IS THIS EVENING. 
          THE MAJORITY OF PARCEL ONE WILL, AND NOT TO FURTHER CONFUSE YOU, BUT WILL BECOME PARCEL B, UM, WHICH IS A FUTURE, UH, REGIONAL PARK EXTENSION. 
          UM, AND SO THAT'LL HAPPEN, UM, WITH A SUBSEQUENT PARCEL MAP, AND THAT'LL BE RECORDED AS A SEPARATE, UH, A SEPARATE LOT WITH THE COUNTY. 
          UM, AND THAT WAS A PART OF THE, THE PREVIOUS, UM, SUBDIVISION MAP APPROVAL. 
          UM, I ALSO WANNA KNOW FOR EXISTING CONDITIONS THERE, SO BOTH PARCELS, BOTH EXISTING LOCKS SHOWN ON YOUR SCREEN. 
          THERE'S A TOTAL OF 509 TREES ON THESE TWO PROPERTIES. 
          AND, UM, WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION THAT I SORT OF OUTLINED, THERE'S ONLY 31 OF THOSE TREES IN THAT RESIDENTIAL POCKET. 
          UH, HERE'S A GOOGLE STREET VIEW ALONG WINDSOR. 
          SO THIS IS MORE OR LESS WHERE THE PRIVATE STREETS WILL ALLOW ACCESS TO THE HOMES. 
          SO THE UPPER LEFT SHOWS LOOKING, UH, SOUTHWARD, AND THAT'LL BE TO, 
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UH, FOR, UM, STREET B, WHICH WILL ACCESS LOTS 14 TO 28 OR 15 TO 28. 
          AND THEN THE LOWER RIGHT WILL BE LOTS ONE THROUGH 15, UM, EXCUSE ME, ONE THROUGH ONE THROUGH 14. 
          UH, AND THAT'S LOOKING, UH, TOWARD THE NORTH. 
          UH, THE GENERAL LAND USE GENERAL PLAN, LAND USE DESIGNATION IS VERY LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. 
          UH, THIS LAW IS FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND IS APPLIED PRIMARILY IN HILLSIDE AREAS WITHIN THE CITY. 
          UM, THE SURROUNDING LAND USE DESIGNATIONS ARE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL TO THE NORTH AND WEST REGIONAL PARK TO THE WEST. 
          VERY LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL TO THE EAST AND UNINCORPORATED, UH, SONOMA COUNTY TO THE SOUTH. 
          UH, THE ZONING MAP IS A RESULT OF, UM, A RECENT ZONING MAP AMENDMENT. 
          AND ON MARCH 20TH, 2023, CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED AN ORDINANCE TO REZONE THE PROJECT FROM R ONE TO PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND THIS ALSO HAD ASSOCIATED, UH, PROJECT SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT ACCOMMODATE FUTURE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, OPEN SPACE AND PARKLAND. 
          AND THE PROJECT SITE IS SURROUNDED BY, UH, MAXWELL PINNACLE, PUD TO THE EAST VICTORIA, TWO PUD TO THE WEST VICTORIA, ONE PUD TO THE NORTH AND UNINCORPORATED SONOMA COUNTY TO THE SOUTH. 
          AND SO, UM, I'VE MENTIONED A LITTLE BIT, THERE'S, UM, PREVIOUS APPROVALS THAT APPLY TO THE SITE AND ARE RELATED TO THIS, UM, SPAR REQUEST BEFORE YOU TONIGHT. 
          AND SO, UM, THE VESTING TENTATIVE SUBDIVISION MAP, UM, WAS APPROVED BY COUNSEL ON FEBRUARY 27TH, 2023 THAT APPROVED, UM, THAT APPROVED, UH, SUBDIVISION MAP THAT WOULD CREATE 28 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS, UM, PARK AND OPEN SPACE PARCELS, AND ALSO INCLUDED FINDINGS TO, UM, THE HILLSIDE SUBDIVISION AND, UM, IEO CHAPTER 16. 
          UM, AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO ON THAT DATE, UH, THE EIR WAS CERTIFIED. 
          THAT INCLUDES A, A MITIGATION MONITORING AND REPORTING PROGRAM. 
          AND THEN LATER, UM, LATER ON THE NEXT MONTH OF LAST YEAR, IN MARCH OF 2023, UM, THAT'S WHEN THAT AFOREMENTIONED ZONING MAP AMENDMENT AND THE, UM, THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT FOR THE PUD STANDARDS WERE ADOPTED. 
          AND, UM, THAT BRINGS US TO THE REQUEST THIS EVENING, WHICH IS, UM, A SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, WHICH WOULD IMPLEMENT, UM, THE 28 LOT SUBDIVISION. 
          AND, UM, THERE'S FOUR TRIGGERS FOR WHY SPAR IS REQUIRED. 
          IT'S, IT'S A CONDITION OF APPROVAL OF THE VESTING TENTATIVE SUBDIVISION MAP. 
          IT'S WRITTEN INTO THE, UM, PUD DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT WERE ADOPTED, AND IT'S ALSO REQUIREMENT OF OUR CODE SECTION 16 0 60 C REQUIRES SPAR WITH PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEW AUTHORITY FOR, UM, NEW DEVELOPMENT IN THE WEST HILLS. 
          AND SECTION 24 0 50 B REQUIRES SPAR APPROVAL FOR RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS OF FIVE OR MORE LOTS. 
          AND THE ITEMS, UM, THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE SCOPE OF WORK THAT ARE UNDER REVIEW ARE THE 28 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WITH ATTACHED TWO CAR GARAGES. 
          UM, THE TWO PRIVATE STREETS, UM, STREETS A AND B, UM, SITE IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDING FENCING AND RETAINING WALLS, UM, LANDSCAPING, WHICH WILL INCLUDE 159 NEW TREES AND 77 OAKS. 
          AND THEN, UM, THERE'LL BE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS, UM, THAT, UH, THE, THE DESIGN OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS ARE STIPULATED BY THE VESTING TE SUBDIVISION MAP. 
          AND THERE WILL BE A SUBSEQUENT PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT PLAN THAT'S A PERMIT THAT'S ADMINISTERED BY THE CITY ENGINEER. 
          AND THEN THERE'S ALSO GOING TO BE A FINAL MAP. 
          UM, AND THERE THAT'S THE REQUIRED APPROVAL WITH CITY COUNCIL THAT'LL BE BROUGHT FORWARD BY THE CITY ENGINEER. 
          UM, BUT WITH WITHIN THAT, THERE'S, UM, A COUPLE COMPONENTS TO THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT, SPECIFICALLY THE ROUNDABOUT LANDSCAPING AND THE GATEWAY SIGNAGE THAT ARE, UM, WITHIN THE, THE PURVIEW OF THE COMMISSION THIS EVENING AS PART OF THE SPAR. 
          UM, THE SUBDIVISION LAYOUT, UH, WELL, THE, SO THE SITE PLAN LAYOUT IS, UM, IN SUBSTANTIAL CONFORMANCE OF THE SUBDIVISION LAYOUT THAT THAT WAS APPROVED IN TERMS OF THE, THE DIMENSIONS OF THE LOT AND THE LAYOUT OF THE STREET. 
          UM, THE ONE MODIFICATION, UM, SINCE THE VESTING TENTATIVE MAP SUBDIVISION, SUBDIVISION MAP APPROVAL WAS 
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THE, UM, THE STREETS HAVE BEEN NARROWED TO THE GRACE EXTENT POSSIBLE WHILE STILL PROVIDING FIRE ACCESS. 
          AND SO THE STREET WIDTH CURB TO CURB, UH, TAPERS FROM 36 DOWN TO 26 AS IT APPROACHES WINDSOR. 
          UM, AND THAT WAS AT THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, WHEN THIS, UH, WAS GOING, UM, THROUGH THE DIFFERENT BODIES, UM, AND REVIEWS AUTHORITIES LAST YEAR. 
          THE FLOOR PLANS, UM, THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT, UH, PLAN TYPES, UH, FOR THE HOMES. 
          THERE'S A 2,500 SQUARE FOOT, THREE BEDROOM, THREE BATH, A THREE, 200 SQUARE FOOT, FOUR BEDROOM, THREE AND A HALF BATH, AND A 3,400 SQUARE FOOT, FOUR BEDROOM, FOUR AND A HALF BATH. 
          UM, THE, THE LARGEST, THE PLAN THREES, WHICH, UM, THE 3,400 SQUARE FOOT HOMES, THOSE ALL INCLUDE, THERE'S NINE OF THOSE. 
          AND THOSE ALL INCLUDE JA DUS, UM, THAT WAS, THAT FULFILLS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL FROM THE, THE TENTATIVE MAP, AND THEN ALSO CONDITION A CONDITION OF THE TENTATIVE MAP. 
          UM, EACH GARAGE HAS, UH, TWO BICYCLE PARKING SPACES SHOWN AS WELL AS AN EV CAPABLE, UM, CHARGING OUTLET. 
          UM, EACH FLOOR PLAN HAS, UM, THREE OR FOUR ELEVATION VARI, UH, VARIANCE. 
          AND THE STYLES ARE FARMHOUSE, CRAFTSMEN, COTTAGE, OR CALIFORNIA RANCH. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE THEM, UM, KIND OF IN THAT ORDER. 
          SO THE FARMHOUSE HAS THE BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING. 
          UM, THE, THE CRAFTSMAN HAS THE COVERED PORSCHE WITH THE LOW PITCHED ROOFS. 
          THE COTTAGE HAS THE SHUTTERS AND THE, UM, MORE DRAMATIC PITCHED ROOF. 
          AND THEN THE, UH, CALIFORNIA RANCH HAS, UM, THIS DETAILING AROUND THE WINDOW AND THE RED TILE, WELL, UM, NOT NECESSARILY RED, BUT THAT HAS THE, THE TILE, UH, ROOFS, EXTERIOR COLOR, OR EXCUSE ME, EXTERIOR. 
          EXTERIOR MATERIALS INCLUDE A MIX OF STUCCO, HARDY BOARD SIDING, CULTURED STONE VENEER, AND MASONRY ROOFS WOULD ALL BE CLASS A FIRE RATED AND, AND A MIX BETWEEN CONCRETE TILES, STANDING STEAM, METAL AND, UH, COMPOSITION SHINGLES, UM, THE ROUNDABOUT. 
          SO, UM, THE AT PRESENT, UM, THE, UM, THE DESIGN, UH, WELL FIRST I'LL GET INTO THE ACTUAL, THE ENGINEERING OF IT. 
          SO IT'S, UH, AGAIN, THIS IS WILL BE SUBJECT TO A PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT PLAN REVIEW WITH PUBLIC WORKS. 
          UM, THE DESIGN IS DICTATED BY THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY, UH, UH, ADMINISTRATION AS WELL AS CALTRANS ENGINEERING DESIGN MANUAL. 
          SO, UM, PART OF THAT IS, UM, KIND OF THE DIMENSION AND THE APPROACHES OF THE, THE TRAVEL LANE. 
          AND, UM, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO SOME, UH, PLACEMAKING AND LANDSCAPING AND, AND GATEWAY SIGNAGE ELEMENTS THAT, UM, ARE, UH, WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEW. 
          AND THAT INCLUDES, UM, WHAT'S PROPOSED IS, UH, OUR THREE, UH, MARINA TREES, UM, STAFF HAS DRAFTED A CONDITION OF APPROVAL IN RESPONSE TO, UM, BOTH, UH, COMMISSIONER QUESTION, BUT ALSO A STAKEHOLDER MEETING WITH, UM, THE PINNACLE HEIGHTS, HOA, WHO IS THE NEIGHBOR TO THIS ROUNDABOUT. 
          AND, UM, SO, UH, THE INTENT OF THAT CONDITION WAS TO TRADE OUT THE THREE MEDIUM SIZED TREES FOR ONE LARGER TREE, UM, WITH THE CAVEAT THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE, UM, THEY NEED TO WORK THROUGH POTENTIAL, UH, CONFLICTS WITH UNDERGROUND UTILITIES. 
          UM, SO THAT IS, UH, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, UM, THIS EVENING. 
          UM, AND THEN THE SIGNAGE MATCHES THE CITY LOGO THAT THOSE ARE, THAT'S COLORED CONCRETE WITH, UH, IT'S METAL, I BELIEVE IT'S ALUMINUM, UM, BRUSHED ALUMINUM, UH, LETTERS. 
          AND THE, THE SIGN IS ABOUT, UH, TWO AND A HALF FEET TALL AT THE TOP OF THAT ARCH. 
          AND THAT WOULD, FOR OBVIOUS REASONS, FACE SOUTH, UM, TO SERVE AS A GATEWAY TO WELCOME PEOPLE, UH, ENTERING THE CITY, UH, AS THEY TRAVEL NORTHWARD, UH, THE GRADING, UH, AND THE RETAINING WALLS AND THE FENCING. 
          SO THE, UM, THE PAD ELEVATIONS AND THE, THE GRADING AND THE EARTHWORK. 
          IT WAS ALL, UM, PART OF THE, AN APPROVED GRADING 
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PLAN AND THE TENTATIVE MAP. 
          AND SO WHAT'S BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD IN SPAR IS IN SUBSTANTIAL CONFORMANCE WITH THOSE EARTHWORK QUANTITIES, WITH THE BALANCE OF CUT AND FILL WITH THE PAD ELEVATIONS. 
          UM, UH, THIS, I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THIS PART OF THE PLAN. 
          UM, HOMES, UH, 15 THROUGH 22 WOULD, UH, INCLUDE A, UH, STEPPED, UH, CUT PADS THAT WOULD, UM, STEP WITH THE TERRAIN, THE EXISTING TOPOGRAPHY. 
          AND THE, UM, DIFFERENTIAL IS GREAT ENOUGH THAT THERE'LL BE RETAINING WALLS IN BETWEEN EACH LOT. 
          THE RETAINING WALLS WOULD NOT EXCEED FIVE FEET PER THE TENTATIVE MAP APPROVAL. 
          UM, THERE'S ALSO A FEW RETAINING WALLS AROUND THE SITE THAT WOULD BE VISIBLE FROM, UM, PRIVATE AND PUBLIC ROADS. 
          AND THOSE WOULD ALL INCLUDE ENHANCED, UH, TREATMENT, UH, WITH THE SPLIT FACE, UH, CONCRETE BLOCK. 
          UM, LANDSCAPING AND TREES, UH, NATIVE TREES AND SHRUBS AND GROUND COVER WILL BE PLANTED THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AREAS. 
          UM, THE, THE LANDSCAPING IS SUBJECT TO CONSISTENCY WITH THE FUEL MANAGEMENT PLAN, WHICH WAS ADOPTED, UM, BY APPENDIX OF THE EIR AND, UM, THE FUEL MANAGEMENT PLAN. 
          UM, IT ESSENTIALLY, UH, IT, IT IMPLEMENTS THE WWE STANDARDS AND STATES, UM, WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTENANCE OF THE VEGETATION. 
          AND IT, IT, UM, ALSO LAYS OUT THE, UM, DEFENSIBLE SPACE STANDARDS. 
          AND SO, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, THE FRONT YARDS, UM, THERE ARE, THERE'S, UM, NO PLANTINGS ALLOWED IN WITHIN A FIVE FOOT NON-COMBUSTIBLE ZONE ADJACENT TO STRUCTURES. 
          UM, THE EXCEPTION OF THAT ARE, ARE SUCCULENTS, WHICH ARE, UH, WATER, UM, RICH LEAVES THAT AREN'T AS, UM, THAT ARE, UM, RELATIVELY MORE FIRE RESISTANT. 
          UM, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO MORE, UM, REGULATIONS WITH REGARD TO, UM, SO THERE'S, THERE'S THE RESIDENTIAL ZONE, WHICH IS THE, THE PLANTINGS AROUND HOMES. 
          AND THEN THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER FUEL MANAGEMENT ZONE, WHICH ARE THESE OPEN SPACE TRACKS. 
          AND THERE THERE'S DEFENSIBLE SPACE STANDARDS RELATED TO, UM, BOTH THE VERTICAL AND HORIZONTAL CLEARANCE OF SHRUBS TO TREE CANOPIES AND DIFFERENT, UM, DENSITY OF PLANTINGS AND, AND, UM, SORT OF HAVING DIFFERENT, UH, HAVING AN ISLAND OF VEGETATION AS OPPOSED TO A CONTINUE CONTINUOUS, UM, UH, AMOUNT OF VEGETATION THAT COULD, WHERE FIRE WOULD, UM, HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPREAD MORE RAPIDLY. 
          SO THE PLANTING PLAN THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED IS IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE FUEL MANAGEMENT PLAN. 
          UM, AND ALSO ALL OF ALL OF THIS LANDSCAPING WOULD BE MAINTAINED, UH, BY THE HOA, UM, IN ACCORDANCE WITH, WITH THE FUEL MANAGEMENT PLAN. 
          I ASK YOU A QUICK QUESTION. 
          COULD WE, COULD WE GET THROUGH THE PRESENTATIONS FIRST BEFORE WE MOVE INTO QUESTIONS? SURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, UM, THERE'S ALSO STREET TREES PROPOSED, UH, ADJACENT, UH, TO FIVE FOOT SIDEWALKS. 
          AND ALSO, UM, THE PUBLIC STREETS, UH, WINDSOR DRIVE, THERE'D BE STREET TREES AS WELL. 
          UM, I WANNA ALSO LAY OUT THE, THE PROPOSED TREE REMOVAL. 
          SO AS I MENTIONED, THERE ARE 31 TREES WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT. 
          18 OF THOSE WOULD BE REMOVED. 
          ALL 18 ARE PROTECTED. 
          NINE OF THE TREES ARE NEAR WINDSOR AND WOULD BE REMOVED FOR GRADING, RESIDENTIAL GRADING. 
          THE OTHER NINE WOULD BE, UM, REMOVED FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THE ROUNDABOUT. 
          AND, UM, AND PROPOSED REPLACEMENT, AGAIN, IS, UH, WAS APPROVED, UH, IN THE EIR AND THAT IS, UH, RATIO THAT'S REQUIRED BY CHAPTER 17 IN THE IZO. 
          AND SO THE, UM, REPLACEMENT, UM, PROPOSED WOULD EXCEED WHAT'S REQUIRED. 
          UM, THERE'S A, IT'S MEASURED IN INCHES AND IT, IT'S SORT OF, IT'S A FACTOR OF THE CONDITION OF THE TREE. 
          SO THERE'S 159 MITIGATION INCHES THAT ARE REQUIRED. 
          AND THERE'S, UM, THEY'RE WELL EXCEEDING THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING ACTUALLY 159 TREES. 
          AND ORDINARILY A A TREE COUNTS FOR TWO MITIGATION INCHES. 
          UM, SO THEY'RE ALMOST, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY DOUBLING, DOUBLING THAT. 
          BUT, UM, THERE'D BE 159 TREES, AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE 77 
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OAKS. 
          UH, PRIVATE STORM DRAINS, UM, WOULD BE INSTALLED THROUGHOUT, AND THOSE WOULD LEAD TO A TREATMENT FACILITY. 
          UH, THE TREATMENT FACILITY WOULD BE, UH, WOULD BE ON THAT PARCEL B THAT WOULD BECOME PART OF THE, THE PARK PROPERTY, BUT IT WOULD BE WITHIN AN EASEMENT AND MAINTAINED BY THE HOA. 
          THERE WOULD ALSO BE PUBLIC, UH, WATER AND SEWER LINES THAT WOULD, UM, BE INSTALLED IN A AND B STREET, AND THOSE WOULD CONNECT TO WINDSOR AND THERE'D BE, UM, PUBLIC EXTENSIONS AS NEEDED TO TIE INTO EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          UH, THERE'S ALSO A, UM, AS I MENTIONED, THE, THE HILLSIDE ORDINANCE, UH, DOES APPLY. 
          UH, THIS IS NEW DEVELOPMENT IN THE WEST HILLS. 
          AND, UM, THE TENTATIVE MAP, UH, MADE THE REQUIRED FINDINGS FOR, UM, THE SUBDIVISION, UH, HILLSIDE SUBDIVISION STANDARDS. 
          UM, HILLSIDE REVIEW IS NOT A STANDALONE ENTITLEMENT, UH, BUT IT DOES REQUIRE ADDITIONAL FINDINGS IN THIS CASE. 
          THOSE FINDINGS ARE FOUND IN SECTION 16 0 60 FOR SINGLE OP DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, SOME OF THAT STAFF WORKED WITH THE APPLICANT TO, UH, REFINE THE MASSING AND THE PAIRING OF DIFFERENT HOME TYPES ON DIFFERENT PADS BASED ON THEIR ELEVATION OR THEIR, THEIR VISUAL PROMINENCE. 
          SO, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, PLAN TYPE TWOS, THERE'S ONE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN. 
          UM, THERE WAS A SHED ROOF FORM THAT WAS INTERCHANGED FOR A GABLE END THAT WAS FACING DOWNHILL. 
          SO THAT'S, UM, SOMETHING THAT THE GUIDELINES DISCOURAGE IN THE HILLSIDE ORDINANCE. 
          ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF MEETING OR EXCEEDING THOSE HILLSIDE GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS. 
          UM, THERE, UM, THE, PERHAPS THE MOST VISUALLY, UH, PROMINENT LOT WAS LOT 13 OVER HERE AS, AS BOTH HIGHER IN ELEVATION, ALSO SORT OF, UM, AT THE, AT THE END AROUND THE CURVE, UH, ALONG WINDSOR. 
          AND SO, UM, THAT HOME TYPE, UM, THE APPLICANT PROPOSED A, UM, A DIFFERENT MODEL THAT WAS, UH, A DI UH, DECREASED THE HEIGHT OF THAT STRUCTURE, AND THAT AGAIN, MEETS, UM, GUIDELINES THAT DISCOURAGE CREATING A VERTICAL MASS AS VIEWED FROM DOWNHILL, UM, PUBLIC OUTREACH. 
          UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING WITH THE PREVIOUS, UH, ENTITLEMENTS, UM, FULFILLED, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING REQUIREMENT. 
          UM, THERE WAS A ROBUST, UM, PUBLIC PROCESS WITH THE EIR AND THE, UH, TENTATIVE OF SUBDIVISION MAP MAP THAT SPANNED TWO DECADES. 
          UM, THERE WAS, UH, EARLIER THIS MONTH A STAKEHOLDER MEETING, UH, WITH THE PINNACLE HEIGHTS HOA, AND THERE WERE, THERE'S CONCERNS THAT WERE SUMMARIZED IN THE STAFF REPORT, AND THERE'S, UM, A FEW CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS RELATED TO PARKING ON PRIVATE STREETS. 
          UM, AND THE, THE ONE I MENTIONED ABOUT THE ROUNDABOUT, UM, UH, LANDSCAPING AND THEN PUBLIC NOTICE WAS DISTRIBUTED ON JUNE 14TH, AND THERE WERE THREE WRITTEN COMMENTS RECEIVED, UM, PRIOR TO 4:00 PM TODAY. 
          AND THOSE RELATED TO, UM, ACCESSIBILITY, UM, BIOLOGICAL RESOURCES PREVIOUSLY ANALYZED UNDER THE EIR AND A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM KELLY CREEK PROTECTION PROJECT, UM, STAFF IS ABLE TO, UH, MAKE THE FINDINGS AGAINST THE REQUIRED STANDARDS OF REVIEW. 
          UM, I TRY TO INCORPORATE 'EM THROUGHOUT THE DESCRIPTION PROJECT DESCRIPTION, SO I WON'T, UH, RECITE THEM TO YOU, BUT I'LL SUMMARIZE. 
          UM, THE RE RESIDENTIAL PROJECT SATISFIES THE MINIMUM DENSITY STANDARDS FOR THE VERY LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL LAND USE DESIGNATION BY CLUSTERING THE DEVELOPMENT ALONG WINDSOR DRIVE TO MINIMIZE THE DEVELOPMENT FOOTPRINT AND MAXIMIZE OPEN SPACE PRESERVATION. 
          THE PROJECT COMPLIES WITH AND IMPLEMENTS ALL SCOTT RANCH PUD DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL ON MARCH 20TH, 2023. 
          UH, SITE GRADING USES CUT PADS THAT STEP WITH THE EXISTING TRAIN TO SET ROWS AND STRUCTURES INTO THE HILLSIDE. 
          PROPOSED SINGLE LOT DEVELOPMENT INTEGRATES PAD ELEVATION WITH HOME TYPE TO REDUCE VISUALLY PROTRUDING DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS. 
          A MIX OF ONE STORY AND TWO STORY HOMES ARE PROPOSED WITH A SELECTION OF ARCHITECTURAL STYLES. 
          EACH STYLE INCLUDES A SET OF ELEVATION VARIANTS THAT ADD VISUAL INTERESTS THROUGH DETAILS, EARTH TONE COLORS ARE SELECTED. 
          UM, THE WIDTH OF 
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A AND B STREETS HAVE BEEN DECREASED TO THE FULLEST EXTENT POSSIBLE WHILE ENSURING FOR FIRE ACCESS. 
          AND THE PROPOSED, UH, RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT INCLUDES 159 TREES AS INCLUDING 77 OAKS. 
          THAT WHICH EXCEED THE REPLACEMENT REQUIREMENTS UNDER IZO CHAPTER 17. 
          UM, AS I'VE MENTIONED, THERE'S A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, UM, EIR. 
          AND SO THE PROJECT WAS FULLY ANALYZED, UM, IN THE, IN THE EIR AND IS SUBJECT TO THE MITIGATION MONITORING AND REPORTING PROGRAM. 
          AND WITH THAT, STAFF IS ABLE TO RECOMMEND THE COMMISSION, CONSIDER A RESOLUTION FUND, AN ATTACHMENT ONE APPROVING SPAR FOR THE SCOTT RANCH RESIDENTIAL PROJECT. 
          UM, THANK YOU, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. 
          AND THE APPLICANT, UM, STEVE ABS FROM DAVID ON HOLMES IS HERE, AND HE ALSO, UM, HAS A PRESENTATION PREPARED. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          I WOULD LIKE US TO MOVE TO THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION SO THAT FOLKS ARE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS DIRECTLY FROM BOTH OF YOU, IF THAT'S OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'LL, I'LL SHARE THE STATEMENTS. 
          I'LL JUST TELL YOU NEXT. 
          OKAY. 
          GOOD EVENING, AND THANK YOU, UH, CHAIR, UH, HOOPER, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. 
          I'M STEVE ABS WITH DAVID ON HOMES, AND IT'S, IT'S GREAT TO BE BACK BEFORE YOU. 
          UM, IT, FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANNA THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING, EXCUSE ME, AND, UM, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THIS APPLICATION THIS EVENING. 
          UM, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY AN IMPORTANT STEP IN THIS PROCESS. 
          UH, NOT ONLY DOES IT GET US CLOSER TO, UH, OUR FINAL MAP AND HOPEFULLY CLOSER TO, TO BREAKING GROUND OUT THERE, BUT IT'S AN ESSENTIAL STEP FOR KCPP TO, TO ACTUALLY ACQUIRE THIS 47 ACRES. 
          UM, AND, UH, THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY HERE AND EXCITED TO, TO HOPEFULLY, UM, UH, HAVE THIS RESOLVED TONIGHT. 
          UM, ALSO, I WANNA THANK MIKE AND ALL THE STAFF FOR, FOR ALL THEIR HARD WORK AND GETTING US HERE THIS EVENING. 
          UH, NEXT, SO THIS IMAGE, UM, WHICH I BELIEVE, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER KERLAN WAS HOPING TO, TO HAVE EARLY ON, WHICH I, I PREPARED MYSELF, UH, ILLUSTRATES THE, BASICALLY THE EXTENT OF OUR APPLICATION. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE BASICALLY IN THE ANIMATED COLORS THERE, THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THE SPAR APPLICATION THAT WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT. 
          AND IT EXTENDS FROM BASICALLY THE, THE, THE ROUNDABOUT TO THE EAST, ALL THE WAY TO THE EDGE OF, UM, VICTORIA THERE TO THE WEST. 
          AND THIS IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT WAS APPROVED BY PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL JUST OVER A YEAR AGO. 
          AND, AND WITH SOME REFINEMENTS BASED ON STAFF REVIEW AND, AND, AND COMMENTS. 
          AND, AND AGAIN, WE'RE HAPPY TO BE HERE AND, UH, TO PRESENT THIS AND, AND LOOKING FORWARD TO, UH, COMPLETING THIS IMPORTANT STEP. 
          UH, NEXT, SO STARTING WITH THE ROUNDABOUT, UH, MIKE ALREADY WENT INTO THIS A LITTLE BIT, UM, BUT WE, WE HAVE WORKED CLOSELY WITH STAFF TO OVERCOME A LOT OF DESIGN CHALLENGES TO MEET ENGINEERING STANDARDS FOR THIS, THIS ROUNDABOUT, INCLUDING A DA ACCESS UTILITY CONFLICTS AND, AND THE RIGHT OF WAY, UM, WITHIN THAT INTERIOR OF THAT CIRCLE, IT'S BASICALLY A SPAGHETTI BOWL OF, OF UTILITIES. 
          UM, MARY WITH THE VAN TOOLING, UM, OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT WAS SUCCESSFUL IN, IN STRATEGICALLY, UH, RECONFIGURING BOTH THE, THE ARCED, UH, ENTRY MONUMENTS THERE AND THE THREE SMALL TREES TO AVOID THOSE UTILITIES. 
          UM, AND I KNOW, UH, MIKE HAD MENTIONED THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL OF, OF WANTING THAT TREE IN THE CENTER, BUT, UH, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT LATER. 
          THE CHALLENGES WITH THAT. 
          UM, THE SOUTHERN MONUMENT THERE WILL HAVE THAT, THAT ENTRY MONUMENT, UM, SIGN VISIBLE FOR THOSE ENTERING THE TOWN. 
          AND, UH, THEN THE PLANTING PALETTE IS A SIMPLE AND LOW MAINTENANCE WITH THE USE OF DEER GRASS WITHIN THE MEDIANS AND PARKWAYS, AND THE BURA WRAPPING AROUND THE INTERIOR OF THAT CIRCLE, UH, REALLY CREATING AN ATTRACTIVE GATEWAY ENTRANCE INTO THE, INTO THE CITY. 
          NEXT, ZOOMING BACK OUT FOR THEIR OVERALL LANDSCAPE, IT WAS, IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO, TO MAINTAIN THE RURAL CHARACTER OF THE AREA. 
          UH, AND AGAIN, VANNER TILL DID A, A GOOD JOB OF THAT. 
          UH, AS WE GO NEXT, UH, AS WE GO WEST, UH, FROM THE ROUNDABOUT, THAT NORTHWEST CORNER REMAINS UNTOUCHED, UH, MAINTAINING THE HILLSIDE AND GRASSLAND AS IS. 
          UH, NEXT HEADING FURTHER INTO THE SUBDIVISION, INCLUDING THE BASIN ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF WINDSOR, THE LANDSCAPING TRANSITIONS TO A MORE NATIVE, UH, LANDSCAPE, SEA SCHEME WITH NATIVE TREES, SPORADIC NATIVE, NATIVE SHRUBS, NON IRRIGATED GRASSES THAT WILL NICELY BLAND IN WITH THE ADJACENT PRESERVED OPEN SPACE AREAS. 
          NEXT, THE ONLY AREA WHERE TRADITIONAL ORNAMENTAL LANDSCAPING IS PROPOSED IS AT THE ENTRIES OF A AND B STREETS. 
          UH, THIS WILL BE A MORE LUSH NON-NATIVE PALLET, UH, WITH MULCH COVERED GROUND. 
          THIS ALSO THIS NEXT, THIS IS ALSO WHERE THE ENTRY COLUMNS ARE LOCATED NEXT. 
          ADDITIONALLY, THERE ARE TWO, UH, SIX FOOT BENCHES FOR 
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PEDESTRIANS TO REST AND ENJOY THE, THE VIEWS OF THE, UH, THE PARK EX EXTENSION THERE. 
          UM, AND THEN, AS MIKE ALSO MENTIONED, UM, AND VERY IMPORTANTLY, UM, THIS, THIS LANDSCAPE SCHEME DOES, UH, DOES STRICTLY ADHERE TO THE FIRE FUEL MANAGEMENT PLAN, UM, THAT'S, UH, BEEN APPROVED. 
          NEXT, MOVING ON TO THE ARCHITECTURE, WE, WE HAVE CREATED THESE, UH, RENDERINGS TO, TO KIND OF FLIP, FLIP THROUGH, UH, UM, NEXT, SO STARTING WITH A PLAN ONE. 
          UH, THIS IS OUR 24 91 SQUARE FOOT SINGLE STORY HOME. 
          AND AS YOU WE FLIP THROUGH THESE DALIN IS, IS DESIGNED A REALLY IMPRESSIVE SET OF, UH, HOMES WITH A VARIETY OF ARCHITECTURAL STYLES. 
          IN, IN THIS PARTICULAR PLAN. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S FOUR DIFFERENT ELEVATION STYLES. 
          UM, ALSO HERE YOU'LL SEE THE, THE RENDERINGS OF THE REAR REARS OF THE LOTS. 
          UM, NOTE THE ARTICULATION AND ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS CONTINUE FROM THE FRONT TO THE REAR ELEVATION, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT THIS REMAINS CONSISTENT AS WE GO THROUGH THE OTHER PLANS HERE. 
          UH, NEXT, MOVING ON TO PLAN TWO, WHICH IS 31 52 SQUARE FEET. 
          UH, THIS HAS HAS THREE ELEVATION STYLES. 
          AS THESE CYCLE THROUGH, YOU'LL NOTICE THE CREATIVE USE OF THE VARIOUS MATERIALS, INCLUDING THE STUCCO AND THE STONE SHINGLES, VERTICAL AND HORIZONTAL SIDING. 
          AND THERE'S JUST A LOT OF ARTICULATION, UH, ON ALL FOUR SIDES, AND ALSO IN THE ROOF, UM, UH, WHILE, WHILE STILL ALLOWING AMPLE ROOM FOR SOLAR PANELS. 
          UH, AND NOTE ON THE REARS AGAIN, THERE, UH, ALL, ALL HAVE COVERED PATIOS ON ALL, ALL THE PLAN TYPES. 
          NEXT, PLAN THREE IS THE LARGEST, UH, 33 64, FEATURING THE 500 SQUARE FOOT, UH, JADU ON THE LOWER FLOOR. 
          UH, WE WILL BE BUILDING NINE OF THESE, SO ENSURING THAT THOSE JD ADUS OR PROVIDED, AGAIN, NOTE THE DETAILS OF THE ACCENT CORE BOWLS AND THE DECORATIVE GABLE ENDS. 
          AND TWO, UM, A LOT OF CREATIVE THOUGHT HAS GONE INTO THE THREE COLOR MATERIAL SCHEMES FOR EACH ELEVATION STYLE. 
          UH, THE REAR ELEVATIONS ON THIS PLAN ARE, ARE CERTAINLY IMPRESSIVE WITH THE, UH, THE UPPER DECKS THERE. 
          AND, AND, UH, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE THERE NEXT, UM, WE HAVE PREPARED A COUPLE STREET SCENES. 
          UM, THE FIRST ONE IS ON B STREET, AND YOU CAN SEE THE LITTLE UP ON THE CORNER THERE. 
          THE YELLOW IS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT. 
          UH, THERE'S JUST A LOT OF THOUGHT AND CREATED CREATIVITY PUT INTO THE HOUSE MIX TO REALLY CREATE AN ATTRACTIVE STREET SCENE IN TOTAL WITH THE VARIETY OF PLANS, STYLES, AND COLOR MATERIAL SCHEMES. 
          THIS, UH, RESULTS IN, IN 33 UNIQUE HOMES TO CHOOSE FROM FOR THE, THE 28 LOT SUBDIVISION, ENSURING NO TWO HOMES, UH, WILL BE IDENTICAL NEXT. 
          AND THEN THIS IS A, A VIEW LOOKING DOWN A STREET. 
          AND AGAIN, WE'RE JUST VERY HAPPY ON HOW THIS HAS TURNED OUT. 
          AND, UH, WE, WE BELIEVE IT'LL BE A, A VERY NICE ENCLAVE OF HOMES NEXT. 
          AND HERE, I JUST KIND OF LIST A FEW KEY FEATURES JUST TO, TO, UH, REMEMBER AS FAR AS WHAT WE'RE PROVIDING THIS, THIS PROJECT IN THE HOMES, UM, ALL ARE, ARE EQUALLY IMPORTANT AND ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, THE ONE THAT THEY'RE AT THE BOTTOM, UM, AGAIN, IGNITION RESISTANT MATERIALS AND FIRE SPRINKLERS WE PROVIDED. 
          THE, THE FUEL MANAGEMENT IS, IS, I DON'T, UH, OF CRITICAL DOCUMENT AT, UH, FOR THIS PROJECT. 
          AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO ADHERE TO IT. 
          NEXT. 
          AND THEN JUST IN CLOSING, I, I JUST WANNA SAY WE'RE PROUD OF WHAT OUR CONSULTANTS HAVE HAVE PROVIDED FOR US HERE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE BELIEVE THIS, THIS PROJECT WILL PROVE TO BE FULLY COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, AND STAND THE TEST OF TIME. 
          SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO ANSWERING ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. 
          I DO HAVE MY CONSULTANT TEAM HERE, UM, AND, UH, WE ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL THIS EVENING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UH, WE'RE NOW GONNA MOVE INTO COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS. 
          AND I WOULD STRESS QUESTIONS BECAUSE THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT, WHICH I SUSPECT WILL BE A BIT EXTENSIVE TONIGHT, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE COMMISSIONER COMMENTS. 
          SO WITH THAT IN MIND, WE'LL MOVE TO QUESTIONS. 
          AND I'LL START WITH COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          I GUESS I HAD A QUESTION ON THE, UM, THE ROUNDABOUT. 
          IS THAT GONNA BE MAINTAINED BY THE HOA? UH, NO, THAT WOULD BE A PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT. 
          SO IT'D BE, UH, CONSTRUCTED, UM, BY THE DEVELOPER AS A FRONTAGE IMPROVEMENT OR AN OFFSITE, UM, PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT. 
          UH, AND, BUT THEN IT WOULD BE THE CITY'S, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, IS, CAN IT BE INCLUDED IN JUST THE MAINTENANCE ALONE OF THE PLANTS WITH THE HOA, BECAUSE WE DRIVE AROUND THIS TOWN, WE'RE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH EVERY, ALL THE, UM, THESE ISLANDS. 
          AND I, I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE THE CITY HAS THE BANDWIDTH TO MAINTAIN ANOTHER ONE WHEN OTHER ONES ARE NOT BEING MAINTAINED. 
          SO WOULD IT, IT'S JUST THE LANDSCAPING, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, 
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UM, TAKEN CARE OF. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF THE DEVELOPER WOULD DO THAT. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, DID WE TALK ABOUT ART IN THE ROUNDABOUT INSTEAD OF TREES? UM, WELL, YEAH, YEAH. 
          TO YOUR FIRST, UH, COMMENT ON THE MAINTENANCE, UM, THE APP, I, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK, UM, AT SOME POINT, ASK A FOLLOW UP TO THE APPLICANT OF, BECAUSE, UM, THEY'RE WORKING EXTENSIVELY WITH PUBLIC WORKS, UM, ON THEIR PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT PLANS. 
          SO THEY'RE, UM, HE MAY BE ABLE TO, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ON WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTENANCE OF THE LANDSCAPING OR ADD SOME MORE INSIGHTS TO THAT. 
          UM, ART, UM, ARE YOU ASKING WHETHER IT WAS CONSIDERED IN THE, IN THE ENTITLEMENTS OF LAST YEAR OR IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY THERE IS A, A GATEWAY, UM, REQUIREMENT IN THE GENERAL PLAN FOR THIS AREA? SO, UM, IT IS, UM, FULFILLING THAT GENERAL PLAN, UM, LAND USE, UH, UH, RE REQUIREMENT FOR, FOR GATEWAY. 
          UM, I, I THINK GIVEN THE, UM, CHALLENGES THE APPLICANT'S HAVING WITH, UH, LANDSCAPING, UM, IN THAT AREA, JUST BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRAINTS WITH UNDERGROUND UTILITIES, THERE COULD BE POTENTIAL FOR ANOTHER INNOVATIVE SOLUTION. 
          BUT I THINK, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR, FOR THE APPLICANT, AND THEN WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THESE, UM, PREVIOUS APPROVALS, IF THERE'S A WAY TO IMPLEMENT THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IS THERE A FEE FOR ART FOR THIS PROJECT THAT COULD JUST BE TRANSFERRED? UH, NO, THERE WAS NO DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEE FOR, UM, PUBLIC ART. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND THEN, UM, THE, THE BENCHES THAT I SAW, THEY LOOKED LIKE THEY WERE METAL, THERE WAS NO SHADE, AND THOSE ARE HOT, AND ESPECIALLY IF IT'S A HOT DAY. 
          SO MAYBE THAT COULD BE LOOKED AT A DIFFERENT TYPE OF MATERIAL OR SO THEY'RE COVERED. 
          UM, THAT'S JUST ANOTHER, YEAH, I WOULD FORWARD THAT I IDEA AND COMMENT TO THE APPLICANT TEAM, UM, ON THE MATERIAL AND AESTHETICS OF THE BENCH OR EVEN THE LOCATION, UH, RELATIVE TO TREE CANOPIES. 
          I LIKE THAT TOO. 
          SO, I MEAN, A REGULAR BENCH WITH A TREE CANOPY IS FINE, BUT JUST SOMETHING THAT IS GONNA SHADE. 
          YEAH, THE REQUIREMENT WAS THAT THEY PROVIDE TWO PUBLIC BENCHES ON WINDSOR, UH, ALONG THAT SIX FOOT WALK, BUT THE, THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE LOCATION AND THE AESTHETICS AND THE QUALITY OF THE MATERIAL IS, UM, UNDER YOUR REVIEW. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND THEN AS FAR AS A DA, THE, UM, SIDEWALKS, EVERYTHING IS A DA FROM THE HOUSE IS GOING DOWN TO DOWN WINDSOR DRIVE WITH THE, UM, I CONFERRED WITH THE CITY ENGINEER AND, UM, YES, EX EX, BUT FOR WHERE THERE'S, UM, TOPOGRAPHICAL, UM, WHERE THERE'S SLOPE, UH, MAKES IT INFEASIBLE IF, AND, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, HAPPENS IN HILLSIDE, UH, DEVELOPMENTS. 
          AND SO, UM, WHEN IT, WHERE IT'S NOT FEASIBLE, IT, IT, IT IS NOT ACCESSIBLE, BUT, UM, EVERYWHERE ELSE IT IS. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL STOP FOR, UM, I'LL, WELL, ACTUALLY GOING BACK TO THE ROUNDABOUT, IS THERE STORM DRAINS IN THERE? LIKE, OR IS IT JUST A BUNCH OF, UM, PIPING AND ELECTRICAL BELOW THAT YOU CAN'T ADD THE STORM DRAIN SO THAT WHEN THE WATER GOES DOWN, IT FILTRATES? IS THAT PART OF THAT PROJECT? WE CAN TAKE A CLOSER LOOK WITH THE APPLICANT OF WHAT'S UNDERGROUND IN THAT LOCATION. 
          UM, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY THE TYPE OF UTILITIES THAT ARE THERE, BUT WE, UH, I CAN TAKE A LOOK AND GET BACK TO YOU OR WE CAN PULL UP THE, UM, THAT PLAN SHEET TOGETHER AND I'LL LOOK AT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN JUST LAST QUESTION, THERE IS NO ARTIFICIAL TURF PART OF THIS PROJECT? I DON'T BELIEVE SO. 
          UM, AGAIN, YOU COULD FOLLOW UP WITH THE APPLICANT. 
          I, THERE ARE, UM, SOME SUCCULENTS PLANTED IN THE FRONT YARDS. 
          UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THE, THE BACKYARDS ARE SHOWN. 
          UM, THAT'S SORT OF SOMETHING THE CITY DOES NOT REGULATE. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, YOU CAN CONFIRM THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WITH THE APPLICANT TO BE SURE. 
          THAT'S IT FOR NOW. 
          THANK DARREN. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          AND THANK YOU MIKE FOR THE PRESENTATION AND FOR THE APPLICANT PRESENTATION. 
          I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND, UH, THE PADS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          SO THE ONE THING THAT STICKS OUT WITH THIS HILLSIDE DEVELOPMENT IS OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A LOT OF CUT INTO THE HILLSIDE, THE PADS, ARE THOSE JUST FOR THE BUILDING, OR IT LOOKED LIKE THAT EXTENDED THE 
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WHOLE LOT? IS THAT RIGHT? ARE THOSE KIND OF CUT TO EXTEND THE WHOLE LOT? I'M SEEING HEAD NODS. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          SO THEN YOU WOULD HAVE THAT RETAINING WALL AS APPROPRIATE ALONG THE ENTIRE LOT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT DECISION A LITTLE BIT? BECAUSE WE'VE HAD SOME APPLICATIONS RECENTLY FOR DIFFERENT, UH, HOMES CONSTRUCTED INTO HILLSIDES THAT JUST USE SOME DIFFERENT STRATEGIES, UH, WHETHER THAT'S MORE TERRORIST YARDS, WHETHER THAT'S SPLIT LEVEL HOMES THAT ARE KIND OF SETTLED MORE INTO THE HILLSIDE. 
          CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT, THAT DECISION PROCESS FOR YOU GUYS? YEAH, SURE. 
          UM, IN, IN THAT DECISION, UH, I GUESS IT GOES WAY BACK TOO, BUT, UM, AND OUR CIVIL ENGINEER IS HERE TO, IF I, IF I STUMBLE HERE, BUT, UM, SO BASICALLY THE, UH, THE DECISION THERE WAS WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, FLAT PADS, UM, WERE MANY, THERE'S MANY REASONS WE DID THAT. 
          IT, IT, IT, IT REDUCED THE OFF HAUL. 
          IF YOU HAD SPLIT, IF YOU HAD SPLIT PADS, IT, IT INCREASES THE OFF HAUL. 
          'CAUSE RIGHT NOW, THE SITE BALANCE IS THE WAY IT IS. 
          SECONDLY, UH, SPLIT PADS WOULD INCREASE RETAINING WALLS, NOT, NOT DECREASE RE RETAINING WALLS. 
          UM, THIRDLY, WITH THE SINGLE STORY HOME, WE FELT THAT THIS, THAT, UH, THE SINGLE STORY HOMES WERE LESS VISIBLE ON A FLAT PAD THAN YOU HAVE A TWO STORY ELEMENT ON A SPLIT PAD. 
          SO WE DO HAVE, YOU KNOW, OVER A THIRD OF THE HOUSES ARE SINGLE STORY. 
          SO THERE WAS A VISUAL IMPACT THAT WE WERE ALSO LOOKING AT, AT, AT, AT ONE POINT, THE PREVIOUS 28 LOT PLAN THAT YOU GUYS ALL SAW, THAT WAS ALL SINGLE STORY, UH, HOMES ON, ON, YOU KNOW, 28 FLAT PADS. 
          AND THEN WHEN WE REDUCED THE FOOTPRINT, WE HAD TO GO VERTICAL. 
          SO, UM, SO THAT WAS THE THINKING THERE. 
          BUT, UM, A LOT, LOT OF, LOT OF THOUGHT WENT INTO IT. 
          UM, AND, UH, BUT THOSE WERE PRETTY MUCH THE PRIMARY REASONS THAT WE, WE WENT THROUGH THE PATHS. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          UH, AND THEN THE NEXT THING I HAD ON MY LIST HERE WAS WINDOWS, UH, AND JUST INQUIRING WHAT MATERIAL. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I THINK ALL OF MY QUESTIONS WILL PROBABLY BE IN YOUR DOMAIN. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL, I'LL HANG OUT. 
           WE'LL, WE'LL PULL IN STAFF. 
          I'LL LET YOU GET COMFORTABLE UP THERE. 
          I'LL PULL IN STAFF IF WE NEED, UH, THE WINDOWS. 
          UH, MAYBE I MISSED SOMETHING IN THE PLANS. 
          WHAT MATERIAL WERE THE WINDOWS MADE OUT OF? THOSE ARE GONNA BE VINYL, VINYL CLA AND THEN, UM, IN THE STUCCO, UH, SOME OF THE DESIGNS WAS STUCCO. 
          I COULDN'T TELL IF ALL OF THOSE HAD INSETS OR NOT. 
          WERE THERE INSET WINDOWS AND SOME OF THOSE STUCCO, UH, CONSTRUCTIONS OR STUCCO SCHEMES? I'LL LET MY ARCHITECT HELP ME ON THIS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          , YES, THERE'S RECESSES AROUND SOME OF THE WINDOWS AND THE STUCCO. 
          AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE MATERIAL, UH, THERE'S STUCCO OVER FOAM. 
          AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE FIRE RESISTANCE, THERE'S THE DENSE GLASS FIRE GUARD BEHIND, UH, THE FOAM AS WELL. 
          SO IT ADDS A LITTLE EXTRA, UH, EXTRA THICKNESS TO IT AND EXTRA, UH, FIRE RESISTANCE. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, SO THAT COVERS SOME OF MY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES. 
          UM, I'LL SAVE THE REST FOR COMMENTARY FOR THE ROUNDABOUT. 
          YOU SAID THERE WAS SOME DECISION THAT WENT INTO THOSE, UH, ARBUTUS MARINA TREES. 
          UM, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT? BECAUSE OUR CONDITION OF APPROVAL 22, OBVIOUSLY I, OR MAYBE IT WAS 16, UM, DID HAVE THAT UPDATE. 
          UH, SO 15, 15, YEAH. 
          15. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, CONDITIONAL APPROVED 15 TALKED ABOUT THAT. 
          SO YOU CAN JUST, RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          AND I, I HAD RESPONDED TO MIKE THIS MORNING ABOUT THAT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF MIKE, IF YOU HAVE THAT, THAT EXHIBIT THAT I SENT YOU TO KIND OF PULL UP SO EVERYONE CAN SEE THE SPAGHETTI BOWL OF UTILITIES RUNNING THROUGH THERE, BUT, UM, SURE. 
          YEAH, WE CAN, IT'S LITERALLY THE, THE CENTER, THERE'S, THERE'S TWO WATER LINES, THERE'S TWO STORM DRAIN LINES, THERE'S A SEWER LINE, THERE'S A GAS LINE, THERE'S ELECTRICAL LINE ALL RUNNING WITHIN THAT, THAT AREA. 
          SO, UM, WE HAD TO STRATEGICALLY PLACE THOSE ENTRY MIN WALLS OUTSIDE OF THOSE UTILITIES, AND THEN TWO LOCATE SMALLER TREES. 
          THAT'S WHY WE PICKED OUR, OUR BUTAS. 
          AND IT SOUNDS LIKE, UM, MORE RECENTLY IN OUR, UH, CURRENT PLAN CHECK, UM, STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED SWITCH TO A NATIVE SWITCH TO A NATIVE SMALLER TREE, WHAT WAS THE NAME OF IT? SEA SEAS. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, FOR, FOR, AND YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, UTILITIES RIGHT THERE. 
          SO, UM, SO THE, YOU CAN SEE THE THREE TREES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING ARE EVEN TIGHT. 
          AND THOSE, AGAIN, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE SMALL SURFACE, UM, TREES, UM, THAT WILL HAVE ROOT BARRIERS TO PROTECT IT FROM, UM, PENETRATING THE, UH, UTILITIES. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CENTER, THE TREE THAT WOULD BE, UH, PROPOSED TO BE IN THE CENTER WOULD, WOULD, UM, FALL RIGHT ON TOP OF AN EIGHT INCH WATERLINE, WHICH I DON'T THINK, UH, UH, STAFF WOULD BE HAPPY ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, SO, UM, SO UNFORTUNATELY, UH, WE, WE WENT ROUND AND ROUND IN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST, UM, IDEA FOR THIS. 
          UM, WE CAN CERTAINLY HAVE A TREE THAT'S OFFSET OF CENTER. 
          YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S 11 AND A HALF FEET BETWEEN THAT WATER LINE AND THAT SEWER LINE. 
          UH, YOU CAN SET IT FIVE FEET RIGHT THERE. 
          AND AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE STAFF WOULD HAVE TO, TO, UH, UH, WEIGH IN ON, YOU KNOW, PUTTING A BIG 
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OAK TREE BETWEEN A WATER LINE AND A SEWER LINE LIKE THAT TOO. 
          SO, UH, BUT WE'RE OPEN TO IT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE, WE THOUGHT THIS WAS THE BEST SOLUTION. 
          UM, SO YEAH, AND SOME OF THAT GOES TO PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERS AND WHAT THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH, BUT IT, IT DOES SEEM TO BE SCREAMING FOR KIND OF A STATEMENT TREE AS YOU ENTER THE CITY. 
          BUT YEAH, UM, I'LL SAVE THAT FOR COMMENTARY, UH, THAT I THINK A LOT OF MY OTHER COMMENTS DO START GETTING INTO THE EXTERIOR. 
          SO, UM, PAGE C 10, BUT I THINK IT'S REPEATED THROUGHOUT. 
          I NOTICED THE PHRASE, UH, SALVAGING NATIVE GRASSLANDS. 
          UH, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT PROCESS A LITTLE BIT? I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE BUILD INTO THE HYDRO SEEDED OR, YEAH, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE THE CONTEXT OF THAT, BUT, UM, I, I DO BELIEVE, UH, WITH THE, THE NATIVE, UH, GRASSES THAT WE ARE IMPACTING WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL SUB SUBDIVISION, WE ARE REQUIRED TO, TO BASICALLY, UM, SCOOP, SCOOP UP THE MATERIAL, THE, THE TOP, YOU KNOW, FEW INCHES OF MATERIAL, TRY TO KEEP THAT INTACT STOCK PILOT. 
          AND THEN WE, WE ARE GONNA BE REQUIRED TO MITIGATE FOR, UH, GRASSLAND IMPACTS ELSEWHERE ON SITE. 
          AND IN FACT, WE'RE, WE'RE, UH, UM, WORKING WITH KCPP TO, TO HAVE A A A, A GRASSLAND NATIVE GRASSLAND, UM, MITIGATION SITE ON THEIR PROPERTY. 
          UH, SO THAT MATERIAL WOULD BE SALVAGED AND REPLANTED OVER IN THIS MITIGATION AREA. 
          I, IF THAT'S THE CONTEXT, IF THAT'S WHAT THAT IS. 
          YEAH, I THINK THAT IS THE CONTEXT THAT WAS SHOWING GRASSLAND AREA. 
          SO I JUST, WHEN I SAW SALVAGING, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD WHAT THAT MEANT. 
          UH, AND THEN AGAIN, REFERENCED THROUGHOUT, UM, I NOTICED THAT ON PAGE C ONE THREE, UH, WILDLIFE CORRIDORS, THOSE ARE DESIGNATED THROUGHOUT FIVE FOOT WILDLIFE CORRIDORS. 
          I, AND I ASKED SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS TO STAFF BEFOREHAND. 
          IS THAT A DESIGNATION, YOU KNOW, DUBBED BY CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND WILDLIFE AND OTHER BODY, OR? NO, THAT WAS A, A DEAL POINT, UM, WITH GREG COLVIN AND KCPP, UM, EARLY ON THAT, UM, BECAUSE THERE IS WILDLIFE RUNNING, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, WALKING ALONG FENCE LINES AND, AND, AND, UM, CURRENTLY THAT THEY WANTED TO MAINTAIN A FIVE FOOT BUFFER SO WILDLIFE CAN CONTINUE AROUND THE SITE, ALONG THE FENCE LINES. 
          SO, SO YEAH, NOTHING REGULATED, JUST SOMETHING THAT WE AGREED TO AND, AND, UM, WE WILL MAINTAIN 'EM THAT WAY. 
          SO. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS FOR THAT. 
          AND THEN THE CAMP FORA TREES FEATURE PRETTY HEAVILY, ESPECIALLY ALONG WINDSOR. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT DECISION OR IF THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT IS HERE. 
          JUST THE CHOICE OF THE CAMP FORA. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, I, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG THOUGH. 
          UM, BASICALLY I THINK THE DECISION THERE IS 'CAUSE THEY EXIST GOING UP VICTORIA OR UP WINDSOR INTO VICTORIA. 
          AND SO BASICALLY THAT'S JUST AN EXTENSION OF THOSE STREET TREES ALL THE WAY TO OUR INTERSECTION. 
          UM, AND THEN THEY STOP THERE. 
          ONCE YOU GET EAST OF OUR INTERSECTION OF A AND B STREETS, THEN IT TURNS TO THE NATIVE NATIVE PLANTING GOING TOWARDS, UH, D STREET, A CONSISTENCY, A CONSIDERATION. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I, I WAS ASKED THIS QUESTION ABOUT THE B STREET ARM, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S ACTUALLY A PRETTY BIG SLOPE THERE. 
          THE, THE SOUTH SIDE OF B STREET, THE STORMWATER OFF FLOW FROM THAT. 
          WHERE DOES THAT GO? I DIDN'T NOTICE BIOSWALES, AND THIS MIGHT BE A BROADER QUESTION, I DIDN'T NOTICE SOME OF THE BIOSWALES ON THE PLANS. 
          THERE'S THE ONE BIG DETENTION BASIN, BUT I WASN'T SURE IF THERE WAS KIND OF AN INTEGRATED SYSTEM OF BIOSWALES CONNECTING THERE THAT I JUST WASN'T SEEING. 
          I SAW THE ONE PIPE AND THEN AN OUTFLOW. 
          UH, BUT IF WE CAN TALK ABOUT, SO I GUESS THAT'S TWO QUESTIONS. 
          YEAH. 
          KIND OF BIOSWALES AND THAT, UH, DRAINAGE MANAGEMENT ON SITE, AND THEN SPECIFICALLY THAT SOUTH SIDE OF B STREET, RIGHT. 
          HOW WE, WHERE WE ANTICIPATE THAT YEAH. 
          STORM WATER FLOW TO GO. 
          SO WE HAVE, UM, BASICALLY ALL THE WATER QUALITY, UM, CLEANING IS IN OUR INFILTRATION BASIN, UM, THERE SOUTH OF, SOUTH OF WINDSOR. 
          SO EVERYTHING ELSE GETS COLLECTED, COLLECTED IN A STORM DRAIN SYSTEM. 
          SO THE, THE AREA THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE SPEAKING OF, AND AGAIN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, UH, I BELIEVE THERE'S A VI DITCH AT THE TOW OF THAT SLOPE ALONG THE BACK OF THE BACK OF THE PROPOSED CURB THAT COLLECTS ALL THAT WATER FROM THAT SLOPE, DIRECTS IT TO A FIELDING LIGHT, DUMPS IT INTO THE STORM DRAIN, TAKES IT TO THE BASIN, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          TERRIFIC. 
          I DID SEE THOSE DIAGRAMS. I GUESS I WASN'T PUTTING TWO AND TWO TOGETHER THERE, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          UH, AND THEN THIS IS MORE OF A, A BROAD QUESTION, UM, BUT JUST THE STATUS OF THOSE KELLY CREEK IMPROVEMENTS, YOU REFERENCED IT AT THE BEGINNING, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE HAD THAT KIND OF GOING ON ALONGSIDE THIS. 
          CAN WE JUST TALK ABOUT THE KIND OF SEQUENTIAL NATURE THERE OF, OR WHAT'S, WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE? YEAH, I THINK WE'RE BOTH ONLINE. 
          WE'RE PUSHING HARD, UM, FOR ENVIRONMENTAL PERMITS AND YOU KNOW, KELLY CREEK'S HERE TO SPEAK TO, BUT, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, UH, THEY'RE JUST A TAD. 
          IN FACT, THEY GOT THEIR SPAR, I THINK APPROVED BEFORE US. 
          BUT, UM, I THINK, UH, WE'RE, UH, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE ON TRACK LIKE THIS YEAR WE'RE, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE, WITH CONSTRUCTION OF OUR SITE, AND I THINK THEY'RE JUST SLIGHTLY BEHIND US, UM, WITH THEIR ENVIRONMENTAL PERMITS AND THEN THEY'LL MOVE, MOVE FORWARD. 
          SO. 
          TERRIFIC. 
          AND THEN THESE MIGHT BE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ABOUT, 
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UH, CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, CONDITION OF APPROVAL. 
          NUMBER 22, IS IT WORTH ADDING IN DARK SKY APPROVED TO THE LIGHT FIXTURES? I NOTICED IN YOUR BULLET POINTS IT DID SAY, YOU KNOW, DARK SKY COMPLIANT. 
          IS THAT WORTH ADDING INTO THAT SEGMENT THERE ABOUT DOWNCAST LIGHTING? SURE, WE COULD SUPPLEMENT THAT. 
          UM, I BELIEVE THAT'S THE INTENT, UH, BUT WE CAN BE VERY CLEAR, UH, SO THAT TECHNICALLY THEY'RE DARK SKY. 
          SURE, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 
          UH, AND THEN CONDITION OF APPROVAL 24. 
          THIS GOES TO KIND OF A BIGGER QUESTION THAT I HAD SENT BEFOREHAND. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN AREA ON PAGE 56 WHERE IT'S MENTIONED PRE-EMERGENT HERBICIDE TO BE APPLIED TO PLANTING AREAS PRIOR TO MULCHING, AND THEN, UM, CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, NOTICING FOR HERBICIDE APPLICATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          NOW, OBVIOUSLY IT'S A BIG TOPIC HERE AS WE KIND OF UPDATE OUR IPMP AND WE'RE LOOKING AT WAYS TO MANAGE, UH, WEEDS AND PESTS WITHOUT THE USE OF OF CHEMICALS. 
          UM, SO IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT CONDITION OF APPROVAL 24? IS THAT PART OF THE EIR WHERE IT WAS WHERE, UH, SOME OF THESE MANAGEMENT TECHNIQUES WERE ALREADY APPROVED? UH, WE COULD DO A COUPLE THINGS THERE THAT'S NOT, THAT'S A STANDARD CONDITION OF APPROVAL, SO THAT'S NOT A, UM, A MITIGATION MEASURE THAT WAS A PREVIOUS APPROVED WITH THE EIR. 
          SO, UM, THAT CAN BE ADJUSTED. 
          UH, WE DO HAVE A SECTION OF OUR CODE IN CHAPTER SEVEN, UM, THAT DOES SPEAK TO, UH, IPM TO THE EXTENT YOU WANT TO, UM, INCORPORATE A FUTURE, UH, POLICY DIRECTION. 
          I, I WOULD SUGGEST, UH, MAKING SURE THAT APPLICANT'S AMENABLE, BUT OTHERWISE WE DO HAVE SOMETHING CODIFIED IN REGARDS TO IMP, UM, AND WE CAN ADD A CROSS REFERENCE TO BE, TO BE CLEAR, UM, OR IF YOU WANNA GO ABOVE AND BEYOND WITH THE POLICY DIRECTION, THAT'S, UM, UP TO YOU. 
          YEAH, AND AS YOU WERE SAYING THAT, I REALIZE WE DON'T WANT TO NECESSARILY MOVE THE GOALPOST, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT I, I THINK IS PRETTY IMPORTANT TO RESIDENTS HERE. 
          UH, SO JUST IN, AND, AND IN THIS CASE, THE INSTANCE I PULLED OUT IMMEDIATELY WAS THIS KIND OF PRE-EMERGENT HERBICIDE APPLIED TO PLANTING AREAS IN FRONT OF THE HOME. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR YOU OR SOMEONE IN YOUR TEAM TO CONSIDER OTHER KIND OF MITIGATION TECHNIQUES, WHETHER THAT'S LIKE GROUND COVER BEFOREHAND, BEFORE APPLYING THE MULCH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          DO YOU, DO YOU THINK THERE'S AN OPTION TO EXPLORE MAYBE A LESS CHEMICAL? YEAH, WE, I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH, UM, OR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT ABOUT THAT, UM, ABOUT THE, UM, ALTERNATIVES THERE. 
          THERE ARE CERTAINLY VERY EXTENT, UH, LABOR INTENSIVE ALTERNATIVES, UH, WHICH OBVIOUSLY, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, COULD BE COST PROHIBITIVE IN SOME, SOME RESPECT. 
          BUT, UM, THAT'S CERTAINLY, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WILL WE'LL LOOK INTO. 
          WE'LL, WE WILL EXPLORE WITH OUR SUBCONTRACTORS AND, AND SEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, WE CAN DO. 
          UM, I KNOW IT APPLIES, UM, PRIMARILY TO THE SMALL CLUSTERS OF PLANTINGS ON A MAJORITY OF THOSE SLOPES IN THE FRONT YARDS. 
          UM, SO THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF AREAS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          SO, UM, LET, LET US, LET US GET OUR HEADS TOGETHER AND SEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN, WE CAN TAKE CARE OF. 
          YEAH, AND BUILDING OFF WHAT MIKE SAID, I DUNNO IF IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO ADVOCATE FOR YOU GUYS TO EXPLORE THAT. 
          BUT, UH, THAT IS THE END OF MY QUESTIONS. 
          OH, PLEASE. 
          UM, I'D, I'D LIKE TO REMIND THE COMMISSION THAT, UH, WE DID ADDRESS IPMP REQUIREMENTS IN THE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS AND IN SECTION, UM, 1, 2, 0. 
          WE DO HAVE AN INTEGRATED PEST MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT PROVIDES FOR ZERO USE OF CHEMICAL PESTICIDES, HERBICIDES, FERTILIZERS, OR OTHER SYNTHETIC CHEMICALS SHALL BE INCLUDED WITH THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AND IMPLEMENTED. 
          THE REASON THAT WE WERE ABLE TO REQUIRE THAT IN THE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS WITHOUT HAVING A POLICY TO DIRECT THAT THAT REGULATION BE APPLIED IS BECAUSE WE ARE APPLYING THAT AS A STANDARD CONDITION OF APPROVAL TO, UM, ALL SPAR, UH, NEW DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO, SO, AND I THINK THAT WE COULD PULL THAT ACROSS TO THIS PROJECT AND APPLY IT AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL AS WELL FOR THIS PROJECT. 
          I LIKE THAT IDEA. 
          THANK YOU, ANDREW. 
          GREAT. 
          UM, ALSO WITH, IF THE, IF THE CHAIR WOULD ALLOW, I'D LIKE TO COMMENT THAT WE'D LOVE TO HAVE THE APPLICANT TEAM STAY UP AND BE PART OF THE, UH, QUESTION AND ANSWER. 
          I THINK THAT A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS ARE FOR THE APPLICANT TEAM AND THIS DIALOGUE IS HELPFUL. 
          UM, I DID WANT TO GO BACK TO THE COUNCIL MEMBER'S QUESTION ABOUT, UM, UNDERSTANDING WHAT UTILITIES ARE PART OF THE ROUNDABOUT, AND IF THAT, UM, EXHIBIT THAT, THAT, UH, MR. JANUS SHOWED IF THAT WAS ADEQUATE FOR YOU TO, TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE NATURE OF THE UTILITIES WITHIN THERE. 
          I UNDER, I UNDERSTAND. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WELL, A GOOD CHUNK OF MY TECHNICAL 
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QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED AHEAD OF THIS, SO I'VE ONLY GOT A FEW QUESTIONS LEFT. 
          UH, ONE IS, MIGHT SEEM A LITTLE SILLY, BUT IT'S ONLY BECAUSE WE HAVE AN ISSUE IN PETALUMA WITH THE NUMBER OF SUNNY SLOPE STREETS WE ALREADY HAVE AND NUMBER OF REPEAT STREETS. 
          IS THERE A REASON WE'VE GONE WITH A REPEAT OF A AND B STREET FOR THIS PROJECT? ? YEAH, THOSE, THOSE AREN'T THE FINAL FINAL STREET NAMES. 
          WE HAVE PROPOSED STREET NAMES INTO, UH, THE CITY, I BELIEVE WE DO. 
          UM, SO WE HAVE PROPOSED STREET NAMES INTO THE CITY. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE WAITING FOR APPROVAL ON 'EM RIGHT NOW, SO THANK YOU. 
          I HAD A FEELING THAT WAS TRUE, BUT I WAS LOOKING AT IT AGAIN AND I WAS LIKE, OH GOD. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          UM, I APPRECIATE THE, UH, INFORMATION YOU PROVIDED ON THE FIRE SAFE ROOFS AND KIND OF THE, THE WORK YOU'VE DONE GIVEN THE PROXIMITY TO THE WILDER URBAN INTERFACE, WERE THERE OTHER ASPECTS OF CONSIDERATION GIVEN TOWARDS THE DESIGN IN TERMS OF FIRE SAFE MATERIALS, CONSTRUCTION METHOD, THAT SORT OF THING OUTSIDE OF THE LANDSCAPING, WHICH I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME TO DO. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          UM, YEAH, THE, UH, UM, FOR THE, THE, THE CODE, UH, FOR WWE, UM, UH, LOCATIONS, WE, WE ARE REQUIRED FOR HOUSE CONSTRUCTION TO, TO PROVIDE IGNITION PROOF MATERIALS ALSO. 
          AND I, AND, AND I CAN HAVE MY ARCHITECT IF, IF YOU WANT TO GO INTO MORE DETAIL ON THANK YOU SPECIFICS ON THAT. 
          OH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT, THANK YOU. 
          UH, JUST IF I COULD GET A, A RUNDOWN, 'CAUSE WE'VE, WE'VE RECENTLY UPDATED A LITTLE BIT OF THIS, SO I JUST WANT TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S BEEN INCLUDED FOR THIS PROJECT. 
          OKAY, SURE. 
          SO, YEAH, SO FOR WIE ZONES OR WILDLAND URBAN INTERFACE, UM, I MENTIONED BEFORE THE STUCCO AND THE STUCCO HAS, UH, FOAM BEHIND IT. 
          AND THEN THE DENS GLASS FIRE GUARD BEHIND THAT, UH, ON THE OTHER HOME TYPES THAT DON'T HAVE STUCCO HAVE CEMENTITIOUS SIDING. 
          SO CEMENTITIOUS IS A NON-COMBUSTIBLE MATERIAL, AND THEN ALL THE ROOFS ARE CLASS A RATED, SO THAT'S ALSO A HIGHER HIGH LEVEL OF FIRE RESISTANCE. 
          AND THEN, UH, THIS IS GONNA SEEM LIKE A, A NITPICK, BUT I JUST SINCERE QUESTION, WHAT KIND OF MATERIALS BEING USED FOR THE FENCING? FOR THE FENCING? UH, THAT'S ACTUALLY A LANDSCAPE QUESTION. 
          THE FENCING BETWEEN THE UNITS IS WOOD FENCING, BUT THE WOOD MEMBERS ARE SMALL ENOUGH AND COMPLY WITH THE FIRE MANAGE CLOSER TO THE, OH, SORRY. 
          AND THEY COMPLY WITH THE FIRE MANAGEMENT GUIDELINES. 
          AND THEN ON THE REAR YARDS OF A LOT OF THE FENCES, THEY'RE, UM, HALF WOOD AND WIRE, SO THERE'S LESS WOOD ON THE, UM, FENCES THAT ARE FACING WINDSOR DRIVE OR FACING OPEN SPACE. 
          IS THERE ENOUGH SPACING TO AVOID? I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WITH THESE PROPERTIES BEING SO CLOSE TO OUR WOOEY THAT WE DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE OF FIRE JUMPING FROM FENCE TO FENCE TO STRUCTURE AS WE HAVE IN SOME THE OTHER AREA. 
          SO THERE'S NO FENCES THAT ARE CLOSER THAN FIVE FEET EXCEPT FOR THE TOUCH POINT AT THE VERY END, AND THAT'S COMPLIES WITH THE FIRE MANAGEMENT GUIDELINES. 
          OH, PERFECT. 
          MM-HMM, , THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN, UH, THIS IS A OVERALL DESIGN QUESTION. 
          I, I REALLY APPRECIATED THE EMPHASIS ON DESIGN ARTICULATION THAT CAME UP THROUGHOUT THE PRESENTATION AND THROUGHOUT THE, THE DESIGN DOCUMENTS PROVIDED. 
          WAS THERE ANY EXTRA CONSIDERATION GIVEN FOR JUST ADDED DESIGN ELEMENTS TO BREAK UP KIND OF THE LONG STRETCHES OF BLANK WALLS THAT THESE DESIGNS COME WITH, ASIDE FROM WINDOWS? THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ANY KIND OF ADDED, ADDED DESIGN ELEMENT THERE IN SOME PLACES. 
          UH, ALTERNATING BODY COLORS ARE USED TO BREAK, TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF ARTICULATION THERE. 
          UM, AND I THINK THAT PRIMARILY A LOT OF ATTENTION WAS, WAS PAID AS WAS MENTIONED ON THE FRONTS AND REARS. 
          AND THEN WHEN THE HOMES OR WHEN THE, UM, THE LOTTING WAS KIND OF REEVALUATED TO TALK ABOUT THE VISUAL PROMINENCE OF CERTAIN LOTS, THEN I THINK THAT WAS, UM, CONSIDERED AS WELL. 
          SO SOME OF THE HOMES THAT HAVE, UM, HAVE MORE BLANK SIDEWALLS WON'T BE VERY VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. 
          GOT IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THIS CERTAINLY ISN'T SOMETHING THAT I CAN ASK TO CHANGE BASED ON OUR SPAR. 
          I JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THE KIND OF CONSIDERATION WAS FOR IT. 
          AND THEN, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR QUESTIONS. 
          I'LL SAVE THE REST FOR COMMENTS. 
          ROGER, UM, QUESTION BACK TO THE ROUNDABOUT. 
          UM, UH, RELATED TO THE ROUNDABOUT, UM, THERE ARE SIX TREES THERE ARE NOW AT THE INTERSECTION, SIX, UH, SYCAMORES I BELIEVE, AND THEY HAVE TO BE REMOVED BECAUSE OF THE ROUNDABOUT DESIGN, THE GRADING OF THE ROUNDABOUT. 
          AND, UH, I'D LIKE TO SEE THOSE REPLACED IF POSSIBLE. 
          'CAUSE IT, I MEAN, A ROUNDABOUT WITH NO VEGETATION ON ANY OF THE CORNERS AND ONE TREE IN THE MIDDLE IS GONNA LOOK A LITTLE 
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FOOLISH, I THINK. 
          SO I'D LIKE, I'D LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER THAT ENTRY A LITTLE MORE HOLISTICALLY AND, AND SOME EDGES TO IT, AND A SENSE OF ENTRY TO IT VERSUS JUST A TREE STANDING IN THE MIDDLE OF A ISLAND. 
          UM, JUST ONE TREE, ONE TREE OR ONE PIECE OF ART IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT, JUST, IT'S GONNA LOOK STUPID OR LESS THAN DESIRABLE. 
          SO I KNOW THERE ARE SOME, UH, CONSTRAINTS, UH, REGARDING SIGHT LINE, UM, WITHIN THE ROUNDABOUT, UH, PARKWAYS. 
          AND SO YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY TREES, UM, ALONG THE, ALONG THE, ALONG THE, UH, THE CURB LINES OR ANYTHING WITHIN THAT, THAT AREA. 
          BUT TWO, I I BELIEVE, AND I, I HAD TO ASK MIKE VIA, UH, EMAIL, UM, I, I BELIEVE THERE'S A GENERAL PLAN POLICY THAT WANTS TO PRESERVE THAT, THAT WHOLE ENTRANCE INTO THE, THE, TO THE BARN, UM, COMPLEX SO THAT, BECAUSE IT'S THE ICONIC BARN THAT WE, WE FELT THAT PLANTING ANY ADDITIONAL TREES ON THOSE CORNERS WOULD, UM, WOULD NOT, WOULD ONLY WOULD ONE, IT WOULD STAND OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB IF YOU PLANTED, UM, THE, UH, THE SYCAMORES BACK IN THERE. 
          UH, BUT TWO, UM, IT WOULD BLOCK THE VIEW OF THOSE, THOSE OF THOSE BARNS. 
          SO THAT WAS KIND OF THE THOUGHT PROCESS THERE. 
          WELL, THE, BUT, BUT THE TREES ARE THERE NOW AND I DON'T SEE HOW IT IMPACTS THE BARN. 
          SO I, I'M NOT REALLY CLEAR HOW THAT STACKS UP AS A GOOD ARGUMENT. 
          YEAH, I, I, AGAIN, I'M JUST, UM, YEAH, REITERATING, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A, AN ACTUAL POLICY OR NOT, BUT I, I THOUGHT I READ IT, BUT, SO I GUESS I'M SAYING I'D LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE MORE CONSIDERATION OF A WHOLE ENVIRONMENT AROUND THE ROUNDABOUT ON THE EDGES ON YOUR PROPERTY, HOW WE CAN MAKE THAT BLEND BETTER. 
          UM, AND I LIKE THE, I I ASSUME SOME OF THOSE PIPELINES THAT YOU SHOWED IN THAT ILLUSTRATION ARE, I DON'T KNOW HOW BIG THOSE PIPES ARE, BUT THE RECLAIMED WATER OR THE PURPLE PIPE, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THERE WAS PURPLE PIPE UP IN THIS AREA. 
          UM, IS IT A LIVE LINE? YEAH, THERE'S NO RECYCLED WATER. 
          THOSE WERE JUST PROBABLY JUST COLORED LINES JUST TO INDICATE WHERE UTILITIES WERE. 
          UM, SO PURPLE PIPE DOESN'T MEAN RECLAIM WATER. 
          OKAY. 
          NO, I, I DON'T KNOW, I THINK THE LINE ON THE EXHIBIT WAS PURPLE. 
          NOT NECESSARILY THE PIPE IN THE GROUND IS PURPLE. 
          SO , THAT'S OKAY. 
          UH, IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF ANY OF THOSE CAN BE SHIFTED A BIT TO, BECAUSE I THINK YOU NEED MORE THAN ONE TREE IN THERE AND LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE, IF IT'S NOT IN THE MIDDLE, THERE ARE PLACES WHERE A TREE COULD GO AND MAYBE EVEN ADJUSTING A LINE IF IT'S A SMALL LINE ENOUGH TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. 
          THAT'S A, THAT'S A, AN EXPENSIVE TREE. 
          THAT WOULD BE A, A MAJOR, MAJOR, THOSE BIG, BIG LINES THEN. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, WHAT, WHAT SIZE ARE THEY? WHAT'S THAT? WHAT SIZE ARE THE, THE LINES? UH, THEY'RE EIGHT INCH WATER LINES. 
          SO, SO THEY'RE MAIN LINES. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          WELL THEN I THINK THERE'S SPACE YOU CAN FIND BETWEEN THE BIG LINES THAT TREES CAN GO, EVEN THOUGH THEY, THEY WON'T BE CENTERED. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S FINE. 
          RIGHT? I MEAN THAT'S, I'M, WE'RE WILLING TO DO THAT IF THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THIS, UM, COMMISSION, UM, OKAY. 
          REQUEST THE OTHER QUESTION. 
          UM, THE CAMPER TREES. 
          I MEAN, I KNOW THE CAMPERS ARE PART OF THE STREETSCAPE EXISTING. 
          IT'S NOT A NATIVE TREE. 
          IT'S NOT CONDUCIVE TO, UH, I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT SOME HOUSES THAT VIEW OVER THESE TREES. 
          THESE ARE 40 FOOT, MATURE 40 FOOT TREES. 
          I'M NOT SURE IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO PUT CAMPERS ON YOUR SLOPE WHERE YOU HAVE VIEW PREMIUM. 
          SO YOU, THAT MAY BE SOMETHING YOU WANNA LOOK AT. 
          MAYBE THE TREES SHIFT, MAYBE THEY'RE MORE VERTICAL TREES. 
          SOMEHOW IT SEEMS LIKE THE WRONG TREE FOR THAT CONDITION, AND IT'S NOT CONDUCIVE TO NATIVE NATURAL GROWTH. 
          AND IT'S, IT'S KIND OF ARTIFICIAL. 
          AND THOSE ARE, AGAIN, ARE THE ONES ALONG WINDSOR DRIVE WINDSOR. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, THE EXIST EXISTING WINDSOR HAS CAMPERS ALL OVER IT. 
          JUST A QUESTION OF WHETHER YOU NEED TO EXTEND THAT WHEN YOU HAVE THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 
          RIGHT. 
          USE OVER OVER THOSE. 
          UM, YEAH, I THINK OUR ARCHITECT WAS, UM, , UM, TRYING TO EXTEND IT. 
          UM, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS DON'T WANNA SEE. 
          I, I, I'M, WE JUST AS SAID BEFORE, WE WERE CONTINUING THE CAMPERS FOR CONSISTENCY. 
          I CAN'T, I CAN'T HEAR YOU. 
          OH, WE WERE CONTINUING THE CAMPERS FOR CONSISTENCY WITH THE REST OF WINTER DRIVE. 
          AND I, I DON'T RECALL IF THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY A COMMENT EARLY ON, BUT, UM, WE WERE, WE WERE TRYING TO BE CONSISTENT. 
          SPEAK CLOSER TO THE CAMERA. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          WE WERE TRYING TO BE CONSISTENT. 
          UM, SO THAT'S, I THINK THE, THE CONTINUATION OF IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A BEST PRACTICE IN DESIGN TO CREATE A COHESIVE STREET SCAPE. 
          HOWEVER, IF THE, IF THE COMMISSION WANTED TO DIRECT THEM TO, UH, SUBSTITUTE ANOTHER TREE, THEN CERTAINLY THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED. 
          YEAH. 
          IF THAT'S OKAY WITH THE CITY. 
          I, I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH SURE, OKAY. 
          BREAKING FROM THE CONSISTENCY, ESPECIALLY 
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BECAUSE THESE ARE 40 FOOT TREES OF MATURITY AND YOU HAVE VIEWS OVER THESE TREES FROM THE LOTS OF, ON THAT SLOPE, AND I'M SURE THE DEVELOPER SELLING VIEW PREMIUMS. SO SOMEHOW YOU NEED TO THINK THAT THROUGH. 
          I APPRECIATE YOU LOOKING OUT FOR US, ROGER . 
          UM, THE OTHER QUESTION IS THE FIVE FOOT RETAINING SIDE YARD RETAINING WALL, ARE YOU ALLOWED TO PUT A FIVE FOOT FENCE ON TOP OF THAT? UH, YOU'LL BE A SIX FOOT FENCE. 
          YES. 
          THAT'S A, THAT'S A 10 FOOT BARRIER TO THE HOUSE BELOW. 
          IT IS. 
          IT SEEMS A LITTLE, LITTLE MUCH. 
          YES. 
          YOU MIGHT WANNA FIGURE OUT DIFFERENT WAYS OF DOING THAT. 
          IT'S, IT'S NOT IDEAL, BUT, UM, WE, WE DO IT ON OTHER, UM, YOU KNOW, OTHER, UH, HILLSIDE PROJECTS. 
          UH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THE, THE CONSTRAINTS OF THE SITE. 
          WE'RE SO TIGHT TRYING TO SQUEEZE IN THESE 28 LOTS, UM, WITHIN THIS SMALL FOOTPRINT. 
          UM, WE, WE, WE, WE FIND THAT ON PROJECTS THAT WE'VE DONE IT BEFORE, THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, SMALL FIVE FOOT SIDE YARDS THAT ARE BASICALLY UNUSABLE AND NOT A LOT, NOT A LOT OF ACTIVITY ON THAT SIDE BESIDE PUTTING YOUR GARBAGE CANS ON THAT SIDE OR LETTING THE DOGS RUN AROUND. 
          BUT, UM, BUT IT, IT, IT SEEMS TO WORK PEOPLE, PEOPLE STILL BUY THE HOMES AND MAYBE YOU CAN CONSIDER A WAY TO BUILD A FENCE THAT VINES CAN GO ON OR HELP SOFTEN THAT. 
          THAT'S LIKE A BUILDING NEXT FROM YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          SO I THINK IT'D BE NICE IF THAT WAS A GREEN WALL VERSUS A HARD FENCE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT, AND THAT, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THOSE WALLS, OR MOST OF THOSE WALLS AND FENCES SIDE YARD FENCES ARE IN THE REAR YARDS OF THE, THE HOMEOWNERS. 
          AND, AND IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE THEIR DISCRETION ON WHAT TO DO. 
          UH, UM, OKAY. 
          UM, THE BIO BASIN, UH, THE 3 0 1 SLOPES THAT ARE PART OF YOUR DESIGN THAT ALLOWS NO FENCING, YOU, YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE ANY BARRIER FENCING OR SAFETY FENCING, OR, THERE IS A, UM, KELLY CREEK PROTECTION PROJECTS, UM, IS PROPOSING A CATTLE FENCE ALONG THE OUT OUTER EDGE OF, OF THAT BASIN. 
          UM, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER IF WE HAVE A FENCE ON THE FRONT OF THAT BASIN. 
          DO WE, WE DON'T BECAUSE IT'S ONLY 18 INCHES DEEP. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT? IT'S NOT A VERY DEEP BASIN. 
          NOT LIKE WHAT YOU SEE UP THE STREET. 
          UM, IT'S, UH, IT'S A VERY SHALLOW BIO CELL. 
          DO YOU RECALL? LOOKS LIKE A CO A POSTING CABLE FENCE, LOW FOUR FOOT POSTING CABLE FENCE. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE ANY FENCING ALONG THE STREET, UM, PROPOSED. 
          UM, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          THE BIO RETENTION BASIN IS ONLY, UM, 18 INCHES OF SOIL. 
          AND THERE'S, UH, EXCUSE ME, ABOUT SIX INCHES OF PONDING ON TOP OF THAT. 
          AND THEN THERE'S AN ACCESS ROAD THAT WRAPS AROUND THE BASIN AS WELL. 
          SO, SO IT'S NOT A BIG HOLE FOR SAFETY REASONS TO PUT UP A FENCE TO KEEP PEOPLE OUT. 
          IT'S, IT'S, WE WANTED TO TRY TO KEEP IT AS NATURAL LOOKING AS POSSIBLE. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M, I'M NOT TRYING TO ACHIEVE A FENCE. 
          I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT THE SAFETY PEOPLE WILL WANT SOMETHING AND WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S OKAY. 
          YEAH, I MEAN, AS OF RIGHT NOW, UM, AND, AND AGAIN, ON OTHER PROJECTS, UM, WE HAVEN'T NEEDED TO PUT A FENCE. 
          UH, OBVIOUSLY IF IN THE FUTURE, IF, IF WE, IF WE SEE, UH, THE PUBLIC HANGING OUT AND PICK PICNICKING IN THE BASIN , WE'LL, WE'LL, UH, WE'LL END UP PUTTING A FENCE AROUND IT. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          UM, YEAH. 
          AND THE OTHER QUESTION, THE, THE INTERIOR, UH, FRONT YARD, HOA LANDSCAPE, UM, IN MY EXPERIENCE WITH HOAS IS THAT THEY ALWAYS, EVERYBODY WANTS TO DO THEIR OWN FRONT YARD. 
          SO AT SOME POINT YOU'RE GONNA GET TREES IN THERE THAT THEY WANNA PLANT AND SO ON, WHICH, WHICH IS A NORMAL PROCESS. 
          UM, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME BIGGER TREES, AND I, I'M NOT AWARE OF WHERE THOSE FIRE FIVE FOOT LINES ARE OR HOW THEY AFFECT YOUR PLANT, BUT I LIKE TO SEE IF THE TREE HAS TO BE MOVED CLOSER TO THE STREET IN ORDER TO GET A BIGGER TREE, I'D LIKE YOU TO SEE TO CONSIDER THAT BECAUSE IT, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE RENDERINGS OF THOSE STREETS LOOK PRETTY TIMID AND PRETTY, UH, WEAK. 
          UH, SO I THINK THERE'S STREET SCAPE ON THE, ON THE INTERIOR ROADS NEEDS TO BE BEEFED UP IF POSSIBLE, WITH A FRONT YARD LANDSCAPING, YOU'RE TALKING INITIAL SIZE OF PLANTING, UH, UH, THE, THE, THE PLANTING SIZE OR THE ACTUAL FULL GROWTH SIZE OF THE TREE FULL, THE FULL GROWTH THOUGH. 
          UM, AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. 
          THE AR YEAH, THERE'S, THEY'RE ABOUT, SO THE OVERALL HEIGHT OF THE ARBUTUS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING GET TO 25 TO 30 FEET TALL. 
          THESE, THIS IS THE REDWOOD? THE REDWOOD? NO, NO. 
          SO THE, THE, THE ARBUTUS ON, ON BOTH A AND B STREET. 
          THE LARGER TREES THAT ARE CLOSER TO THE, UM, 
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CURBS ARE ARBUTUS MARINA TREES. 
          SO THOSE ARE 25, 30 FEET TALL EVERGREEN TREES. 
          AND THEN THE SECONDARY ONES ARE THE WESTERN RED BEDS, AND THEY'RE MORE IN THE 12, 15 FOOT RANGE. 
          AND THEY'RE DECIDUOUS FLOWERING. 
          WHAT I'M SAYING IS YOU NEED, YOU NEED AT LEAST 25, 30 FEET IN HEIGHTS TO GIVE THAT STREET SCALE. 
          UM, AND WHATEVER WAY YOU CAN DO THAT AND SOLVE THE FIRE PROBLEM, I UNDERSTAND THE FIRE ISSUE, BUT IF THERE'S A WAY TO LOCATE THE TREE SO YOU CAN GET MORE HEIGHT, UH, I'D LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER THAT. 
          TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          JESSICA, UH, A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED, BUT I DO HAVE JUST A QUICK SORT OF POINT OF ORDER FOR STAFF IN TERMS OF THE LANDSCAPING AND DESIGN OF THE ROUNDABOUT. 
          IS NOW OUR CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT THAT, OR IS THAT DURING THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT PLAN REVIEW? UH, NOW IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, COMMENT ON IT. 
          UM, I GUESS THE, THE CAVEAT IS THAT IT WILL, UH, THE FINAL APPROVAL FOR THAT IS THE PUBLIC APPROVAL PLAN. 
          SO THERE WOULD BE, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY WANT TO, UH, ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, UH, THERE WOULD BE FINAL REVIEW BY THE CITY ENGINEER WITH ANYTHING, ANY PROPOSED CHANGES, UH, IN THAT AREA. 
          GOT IT. 
          AND CAN YOU, AND MAYBE WE'LL HEAR ABOUT THIS AT PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT CAN YOU GIVE US A LITTLE PREVIEW OF WHAT THE DRIVING MOTIVATIONS WERE FOR THE ONE LARGE TREE AS OPPOSED TO THE THREE MEDIUMS? SO THE, UH, THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT THAT I SAW, AND THAT WAS APPROVED WITH THE SUITE OF ENTITLEMENTS IN 2023 WAS A SINGULAR OAK. 
          AND I THINK AS COMMISSIONER RASON ALLUDED TO, WAS SORT OF MORE OF A, UM, A GATEWAY, MORE OF AN ICONIC STATEMENT, UH, WAS THE INTENT. 
          AND THEN SINCE THAT TIME, UM, YOU KNOW, STAFF HAS BEEN ABLE TO FIND SUBSTANTIAL CONFORMANCE WITH THAT FEATURE, BUT UNDERSTANDING THE CONSTRAINTS WITH THE UTILITIES. 
          OKAY, THANKS COMMISSIONER. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT ALSO IN RESPONSE TO THAT QUESTION, I THINK THAT THE, THE SORT OF, THE, THE IDEA OF HAVING THAT SPECIMEN TREE AT THE CENTER OF THAT ROUNDABOUT IS, IS A GREAT DESIGN IDEA AND, AND COULD BE VERY ICONIC. 
          HOWEVER, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT IS KIND OF CONTINGENT ON HAVING A SUCCESSFUL HEALTHY TREE AT THE CENTER OF THAT ROUNDABOUT. 
          AND AS WE'VE SEEN WITH THE, WITH THE APPLICANT AND, AND STAFF'S CONFIRMATION, UM, CONCERNING THE UNDERGROUND UTILITIES THAT ARE EMBEDDED WITHIN THAT ROUNDABOUT, AS WELL AS OTHER FACTORS THAT MIGHT CONTRIBUTE TO, UM, TO, UH, A, A DECREASE IN THAT POTENTIAL FOR IT TO BE A HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL SPECIMEN TREE, I THINK HAS HELPED US, UM, WANT TO CONSIDER OTHER OPTIONS TO ACHIEVE THE SAME GOALS, BUT YET AT THE SAME TIME, UM, CREATE A BIT MORE SUSTAINABILITY IN TERMS OF THE PLANTING. 
          SOMETHING I FORGOT TO MENTION MORE OF A NOTE FOR STAFF IN THE RESOLUTION. 
          I BELIEVE IT REFERENCES 6 25 23, AND I THINK THAT SHOULD BE A REFERENCE TO 6 25 24 IN THE FIRST COUPLE POINTS OF OUR, UH, PROPOSED RESOLUTION TONIGHT. 
          JUST, JUST UPDATING THE DATE, I ASSUME THAT MEANS TONIGHT'S MEETING AND JUST THE DATE REFLECTED IN THE RESOLUTION IS JUNE 25TH, 2023. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          I'LL MAKE A NOTE, MAKE MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S CORRECTED ON A FINAL DRAFT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE ARE GOING TO GO INTO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM. 
          I WANNA THANK THE APPLICANT FOR STANDING THERE FOR ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS. 
          UM, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO COMMENT ON THIS ITEM. 
          PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON. 
          IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE SO ALREADY, PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD AND BRING IT TO THE CLERK. 
          SPEAKER CARDS LOOK LIKE THIS AND YOU CAN BRING IT TO THE CLERK RIGHT THERE. 
          UH, I HAVE ONE ALREADY, SO I'LL JUST GET STARTED WITH THE CARD I HAVE WHILE FOLKS I THINK GET IN LINE TO FILL OUT THEIR CARD. 
          AND WITH THAT, I'LL, YEAH, THE CARDS ARE WAY RIGHT THERE IN THE BACK IN THE HALLWAY FOR FOLKS WHO ARE LOOKING, LOOKING AND THEY LOOK JUST LIKE THIS. 
          AND, AND DON'T WORRY, WE ARE, WE WILL TAKE OUR TIME SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO RUSH THROUGH TO FILL OUT. 
          UH, WE'RE GOING TO JUST GO WITH OUR FIRST SPEAKER NOW THAT WE HAVE, AND THAT'LL BE NICOLA FRY. 
          CAN YOU PULL UP THE OVERVIEW, ESPECIALLY THE SIDEWALKS? 
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HI, MY NAME ISLA FRY AND I'M A NEWLY APPOINTED COMMISSIONER FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION, EFFECTIVE JULY 1ST, AND I'M THE CHAIR OF THE SENIOR ADVISORY COMMITTEE. 
          I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS MY COMMENTS TO THE DEVELOPERS OF THE SCOTT RANCH RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. 
          I HAVE REVIEWED ALL THE MATERIALS, DOCUMENTS, AND DIAGRAMS AND FIND MYSELF VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE LACK OF A CONTIGUOUS ACCESSIBLE SIDEWALK KNITTING TOGETHER ALL THE ASPECTS OF THIS RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND LINKING IT EASILY TO THE NEW ROUNDABOUT ON D STREET. 
          I KNOW AND UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE THE RIGHT UNDER THE CITY STANDARDS AND ALONG WITH THE U-S-D-O-J RECOGNITION THAT EXEMPTS THAT THERE ARE EXEMPTIONS TO THE A DA DESIGN STANDARDS THAT ARE ALLOWED WHEN APPLYING THE STANDARDS THAT MAY BE TECHNICALLY INFEASIBLE OR STRUCTURALLY IMPRACTICAL. 
          I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT A PORTION OF A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT CAN BE MADE ACCESSIBLE TO A MAXIMUM EXTENT FEASIBLE HAS, IN YOUR VIEW, BEEN DONE. 
          IN ADDITION, I RECOGNIZE THAT THERE IS A STEEP TERRAIN OF THE PROPERTY AND I CONTINUE TO HAVE CONCERNS THAT THE SERIOUSLY SEPARATED SEGMENT SIDEWALK SEGMENTS, WHICH MAKE AN UN EVEN MINIMAL USABILITY BY ANY ANYONE, DIFFICULT, IF NOT IMPOSSIBLE. 
          I'M NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT THOSE WITH MOBILITY ISSUES, BUT MOTHERS WHO WANNA USE THAT NEW STROLLER TO TAKE THEIR YOUNG CHILD OUT. 
          GRANDFATHERS WHO HAVE RECENTLY HAD KNEE REPLACEMENT SURGERY AND NEED TO WALK TO RECOVER. 
          AND YOUNG PERSONS WITH COGNITIVE DIFFICULTIES WHO UNDERSTAND THAT SIDEWALKS ARE SAFE AND GOING INTO THE STREET CAN BE DANGEROUS. 
          I'M WONDERING IF YOU TOOK A SIMPLE WAY OUT AND DIDN'T REALLY LOOK FOR THE ENGINEERED SOLUTION TO THE TERRAIN ISSUE. 
          PETALUMA HAS MANY NUMBER OF STEEP STREETS, ALL OF WHICH HAVE SIDEWALKS, HOWARD OAK, ET CETERA. 
          IT SEEMS TO ME THAT SAN FRANCISCO WITH ITS SEVEN HILLS HAS MANAGED TO PLACE STREETS AND SIDEWALKS TO THE TOP OF TELEGRAPH. 
          HILL HAS CREATED A TOURIST DESTINATION ON LOMBARD STREET USING ITS STEEPNESS AS THE DRAW. 
          SAN FRANCISCO HAS EVEN BUILT AND ENGINEERED SIDEWALKS AND STREETS ON ITS HILLS SINCE THE MID 18 HUNDREDS. 
          AND IN FACT, THEY HAVE A CAREFULLY DESIGNED CABLE CAR SYSTEM TO UTILIZE THE STEEP GRADES TO THEIR ADVANTAGE. 
          SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE DEVELOPERS OF SCOTT RANCH RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT SERIOUSLY SPEND SOME TIME AND PERHAPS SOME FUNDS TO LOOK AT ENGINEERING THE SIDEWALKS AND CREATE A UNIQUE PROGRESSIVE SOLUTION TO MAKE THE SIDEWALKS IN THIS DEVELOPMENT SOMETHING FOR ALL PETALUMA TO UTILIZE. 
          ONE MORE COMMENT. 
          THE COMMENT THAT, THAT MS. CATER THOMPSON MADE ABOUT THE BENCH PICTURE, THE BENCH IS ALSO WITHIN THE SIDEWALK AREA, WHICH IS NOT HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBLE. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          OUR NEXT COMMENT COMES FROM JARED EMERSON JOHNSON. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIR HOOPER COMMISSIONERS AND COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON. 
          UM, I'M THE CURRENT DIRECTOR OF THE KELLY CREEK PROTECTION PROJECT OF EARTH ISLAND INSTITUTE. 
          WE'RE GONNA BE, UM, TAKING OVER THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY TO RESTORE IT AND IMPROVE IT, AND THEN PASS IT ALONG TO THE, UH, SONOMA COUNTY REGIONAL PARKS. 
          AND, UM, WE'RE JUST HERE TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO APPROVE THIS APPLICATION. 
          UM, I THINK IT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, QUITE WELL PRESENTED. 
          IT'S A GOOD PLAN AND, UH, IF YOU NEED ANOTHER REASON TO SUPPORT IT, UM, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO CLOSE THE ESCROW AND TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THE SOUTHERN PORTION UNTIL THIS SPAR IS APPROVED. 
          AND SO, UM, THE REASON THAT'S IMPORTANT IS NOT 'CAUSE WE'RE SUPER EAGER TO MAKE TRAILS, ALTHOUGH WE ARE OR SUPER EAGER TO MAKE FOOT BRIDGES, ALTHOUGH WE ARE, IT'S MOSTLY BECAUSE OF THE RESTORATION OF THE DEGRADED PARTS OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS, UM, KIND OF IN A CATASTROPHIC STATE RIGHT NOW. 
          THE GIES ARE RIPPING UP THE HILLSIDE TOWARD THE STOCK POND THROUGH RED-LEGGED FROG HABITAT. 
          AND WE HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, A PLAN READY TO START SOME EMERGENCY PROTOCOLS TO IMMEDIATELY GET GOING ON REPAIRING THESE GOALIES AND DOING THIS. 
          BUT WE CAN'T DO THAT UNTIL WE OWN IT. 
          AND SO WE JUST WANNA REMIND YOU OF THE, OF THAT ASPECT OF THIS AS WELL. 
          'CAUSE I KNOW WE'RE IN THE WEEDS WITH ALL THE DETAILS OF THE SPAR, PART OF THE SPAR, BUT THERE ARE OTHER IMPLICATIONS. 
          AND SO, UH, I HOPE YOU'LL BE ABLE TO APPROVE IT SO THAT WE CAN, UM, YOU KNOW, TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THE LAND AND GET GOING TO MAKING IT READY AND SAFER AND BETTER FOR THE HABITAT AND THE, AND THE NATURAL LIFE THERE, AND GET THE PARK OPEN AS SOON AS WE CAN. 
          SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NEXT SPEAKER IS GREG COLVIN. 
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GREETINGS . 
          UM, I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS, UH, PROJECTS THAT MAKE THE BEST USE OF WHAT WAS THE SCOTT RANCH, UH, FOR, FOR 20 YEARS. 
          UH, MY FAMILY IS HERE AND INCLUDING A NEIGHBOR WHO HOPES TO BUY ONE OF THE NEW HOUSES DOWNSIZING FROM, UH, WHERE, UH, WE LIVE NOW IN, IN VICTORIA. 
          UM, WHAT'S HISTORIC ABOUT THIS IS THAT, UM, WHEN HELEN PUTNAM WAS ON THE CITY COUNCIL AND, UH, ALSO LYNN WOOLSEY, THERE WAS, UM, A SENSE THAT THE AMOUNT OF HOUSING TO BE BUILT IN THIS CORRIDOR ALONG WINDSOR SHOULD BE LIMITED TO 340 HOUSES. 
          AND THAT NEVER ACTUALLY BECAME AN ORDINANCE OR A LIMITATION, BUT IN THE TIME THAT WE WERE TRYING TO, UH, CONTEND WITH DAVID ON, AND NOW WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM TO LIMIT THOSE, THAT NUMBER OF HOUSES, UM, YOUR APPROVAL OF THESE 28 HOUSES WILL MAKE THE CONSTRUCTION OF HOUSING ALONG THIS VALLEY AT THE EDGE OF PETALUMA COMPLETE AT, I BELIEVE, 327 RATHER THAN 340. 
          AND, UM, PLUS WE HAVE THE EXTENSION OF PUTNAM PARK. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE HOW ALL THESE THINGS ARE RELATED. 
          AND I, I HAVE TO SAY, HAVING BEEN GIVEN THIS OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK CLOSELY AT WHAT DAVID ON STEVE ABS PLAN IS FOR THIS, THIS IS REALLY COMPATIBLE WITH THE PARK. 
          IT HAS ALL THE ELEMENTS OF, UM, YOU KNOW, PRODUCTIVE LOOK FORWARD LOOKING ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, SENSITIVITIES. 
          AND PLUS, I THINK THE 28 TO HOMEOWNERS WHO WILL BE LOCATED MOST CLOSELY TO THE ENTRANCE TO OF PUT, OF THE NEW, UH, EXTENSION OF PUTNAM PARK WILL HELP KEEP AN EYE ON WHAT GOES ON THERE. 
          AND THAT'S IMPORTANT TOO, UM, THAT THE HUMAN VIEWPOINT ON THE USE OF THE PARK, UH, RATHER THAN IT JUST BEING A PLACE THAT'S BEEN OVERGRAZED FOR A HUNDRED YEARS AND THAT PEOPLE DRIVE PAST, I MEAN, THAT COMPLETES, UM, COMPLETES THE URBAN BOUNDARIES BEST PRESENTATION AS A, AS A, UM, WHAT'S BEEN CALLED A GATEWAY TO, UH, TO PETALUMA AND AN ASSET REALLY FOR THE ENTIRE CITY. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR LOOKING AT THIS, UM, WITH YOUR CLOSE EYES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND NEXT WE HAVE KAREN BERGEN. 
          UM, GOOD EVENING AND THANK YOU. 
          UH, I AM REPRESENTING THE PINNACLE ERS ASSOCIATION, WHICH IS LOCATED ACROSS D STREET FROM WHERE THE ROUNDABOUT WILL BE. 
          AND, UM, WE ARE, WE'VE MET WITH, UH, STAFF AND, UH, AND THEY'VE BEEN EXTREMELY, UH, ACCOMMODATING AND WE APPRECIATE THAT. 
          WE ALSO WANNA SAY THAT WE ARE IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT. 
          WE DO HAVE, UM, JUST A COUPLE OF CONCERNS THAT MOSTLY PERTAIN TO THE ROUNDABOUT MAINTENANCE OF THE ROUNDABOUT. 
          AND AS, UM, I THINK YOU POINTED OUT EARLIER THAT SOME OF THEM IN THE CITY ARE NOT IN GOOD REPAIR. 
          UM, AND BEING THAT IT'S PLANNED AS A GATEWAY, UM, ENTRANCE, THAT IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO US THAT THAT QUALITY OF, UH, THE PLAN AS APPROVED IS FALLS UNDER SOMEONE'S, UM, RESPONSIBILITY THAT HAS THE BUDGET TO CONSISTENTLY MAINTAIN IT. 
          SECONDLY, THAT, UM, WE WOULD LIKE THE PARKING, UH, CONSIDERATION FOR THE, UH, PARKING LOT OFF OF D STREET TO, UM, BE ADEQUATE FOR THE PLANNED USAGE OF THE PARK BECAUSE OUR EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN THAT PEOPLE CURRENTLY, WITHOUT HAVING TO PARK THERE, OFTEN PULL INTO OUR SUBDIVISION TO MAKE TELEPHONE CALLS BECAUSE THEY APPARENTLY LOSE CELL RECEPTION ONCE THEY GO BEYOND THAT D STREET BOUNDARY. 
          SO WE HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, IT WOULD BE GREAT IF IT WAS A PAVED PARKING LOT WITH MULTIPLE SPOTS AND, UM, ACCESSIBILITY. 
          AND THAT'S ALL THAT WE'RE REALLY ASKING. 
          AND THEN AESTHETICALLY, WE JUST WANNA KNOW IF THE GATEWAY SIGN IS PLANNED, UH, IF THERE'S GOING TO BE LIGHTING, UH, OF THAT SIGN IS AS APPROVED TO, CAN ANYONE ANSWER THAT QUESTION? ? OH, WE, WE DON'T REGULARLY ANSWER 
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QUESTIONS DIRECTLY BY COMMENT, BUT ONE OF US WILL ASK. 
          I HEAR YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND NOW WE'LL HEAR FROM CAROL EBER, CHAIRMAN HOOPER COMMISSIONERS. 
          UM, I AM CAROL EBER. 
          WE'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF PETALUMA FOR SOME 37 YEARS. 
          I LIVE IN THE OAK HILL BREWSTER HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          ACTUALLY, MY HOME WAS BUILT ON A LAKE, UM, SO I KNOW THE CHALLENGES AND IT IS A HILL. 
          UM, BUT I'M HERE. 
          UM, I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF THE SONOMA COUNTY PARK AND RECREATION ADVISORY COMMISSION. 
          AND AS SUCH, I GET INPUT ON OUR REGIONAL PARKS AND THE GOOD THINGS AND THE BAD THINGS. 
          AND ONE OF THE COMMENTS I FREQUENTLY HEAR ABOUT HELEN PUTNAM PARK IS THE DIFFICULTY OF ACCESSIBILITY FOR THIS DISABLED AND SENIORS BECAUSE THERE'S QUITE A, A HILL FOR PEOPLE TO CLIMB. 
          SO I AM HERE TO EXPRESS MY GRATITUDE TO DAVID DAVIDON FOR THE DESIGN, WHICH ADDS TO THE EXTENSION OF HELEN PUTNAM PARK, AND CREATES AN AREA OF THE PARK THAT IS EXTREMELY ACCESSIBLE TO THE CITIZENS OF THIS COMMUNITY. 
          AND CONSEQUENTLY, AS A PARK ADVOCATE, I URGE YOU TO APPROVE THE PLAN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND OUR LAST COMMENT IS FROM FRANK GRIFFO. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          UM, A COUPLE OF QUICKIES YOU MENTIONED THE 77 OAKS ARE BEING PLANTED. 
          WHAT SPECIES OF OAK? I NOTICED THAT THEY PLANTED, THEY PLANTED THE COAST OAKS IN THE HELEN PUTNAM NEW PARKING LOT. 
          YOU CAN STAND THERE RIGHT NEXT TO THAT TREE THAT THEY JUST PLANTED AND LOOK AT THE SAME SPECIES THAT'S DYING ALL OVER MARIN AND SONOMA COUNTIES. 
          AND OVER THE LAST COUNT I SAW WAS 4 MILLION HAD DIED, AND THAT WAS 10 YEARS AGO. 
          THE OAK TREE IS ON THE CORNER OF THE ROUNDABOUT ON THE HILLSIDE OVER THERE. 
          I'VE SAT, YOU KNOW, OUR KITCHEN WINDOW LOOKS OUT ONTO THAT, UH, ROUNDABOUT. 
          AND I'VE WATCHED THE OAK TREES DIE ON THE PRIVATE PROPERTY AND ON HELEN PUTNAM. 
          SO IT'S, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S BEING PLANTED THERE, BUT I KNOW THEY PLANTED THE WRONG TREE IN THE PARKING LOT. 
          UM, I'M CURIOUS, ARE THE TRUCK HAY TRUCKS AND STUFF GONNA BE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE THIS TURN GOING THROUGH THERE? SO, SO THIS IS PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          WE DON'T ANSWER A QUESTION. 
          I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THAT. 
          I KNOW THEY CAN'T MAKE IT THROUGH THE ONE ON CORONA, THEY HAD TO GO SOME OTHER WAY. 
          SO I'M JUST CURIOUS WHERE ALL THE HAY IS GONNA GET OUT TO THE CATTLE AND STUFF. 
          UH, SOME OF THE TREES YOU GOTTA BE CAREFUL WITH, YOU'RE PLANTING OUT THERE. 
          RED BUD, UH, THAT'S DEER FOOD. 
          UH, YOU MIGHT AS WELL JUST LEAVE 'EM IN THE CAN. 
          THE A DU PARKING, UH, AS I UNDERSTOOD, NINE UNITS ARE GONNA BE SET UP FOR A DU, UM, DESIGNED FOR IT. 
          IS THERE ADDITIONAL PARKING FOR THAT? AND IS THERE OFFSITE OR ON STREET PARKING ON THIS, UH, UNIT? THIS WHOLE COMPLEX, I DON'T THINK I SAW THAT ADDRESS ANYWHERE. 
          AND IS THE PAYMENT GOING INTO TOWN GONNA BE FIXED FROM THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE GOING IN? UM, THAT'S THE OTHER ONE I'VE GOT. 
          AND WE STILL ON FOR AUGUST. 
          UH, WELL I HEARD THAT WE ARE POSSIBLY GONNA START IN AUGUST. 
          UM, THAT'S IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          WERE THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS BEFORE WE CLOSED? ALRIGHT, UH, DID WE RECEIVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS PRIOR TO THIS? FOR THIS ITEM? WE RECEIVED FOUR PUBLIC COMMENTS, UH, POSTED ONLINE AND AVAILABLE FOR VIEWING AT THE FRONT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BEFORE WE GET INTO COMMISSIONER, UH, COMMENTS ON THE PROJECT, I'M JUST GONNA GO THROUGH AND ASK, ASK TO THE QUESTIONS THAT I HEARD THROUGH PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          UH, WILL THERE BE PLANNED LIGHTING FOR THE ENTRANCE SIGN? UH, I CAN LOOK THAT UP AND GET BACK TO YOU. 
          I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY ILLUMINATION PROPOSED. 
          WE REALLY DON'T LIKE LIGHTS IN THIS TOWN, DO WE? JUST ON EVERYTHING. 
          WE AVOID IT LIKE THE PLAGUE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          UH, IS THERE A PLAN FOR WHAT, WHAT SPECIES OF OAK WILL BE PLANTED? LET'S JUST GO THROUGH THAT. 
          UH, I'D LIKE, YEAH, LET'S BRING THE APPLICANT BACK UP SO WE CAN EFFICIENTLY GET THROUGH ALL THESE TOGETHER. 
          YEAH, THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT SPECIES OF 
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OAKS PLANNED, AND IT'S, UH, CO COAST LIVE OAK, BLACK OAK AND VALLEY OAK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AS FOR THE ROUNDABOUT QUESTION THAT CAME UP, I MEAN, THERE'S, IT'S NARROW STREETS THERE NOW, BUT HAS THERE BEEN ANY COMMENTARY AHEAD OF THIS PROJECT ABOUT, UH, CONCERNS AROUND HAY OR OTHER AGRICULTURAL NAVIGATION SURROUNDING THE ROUNDABOUT? UH, SO I KNOW THAT THE, UM, THE CURB FACE ON THE ROUNDABOUT IS ROUND, SO IT'S MOUNTABLE BY FIRE APPARATUS OR OTHER, UH, FIGURED LARGE, UM, VEHICLES. 
          AND I'M ALSO LOOKING AT THE, UH, CONCRETE WALL DETAIL AND THERE'S NO, UM, PROPOSED ILLUMINATION. 
          IT'S ALSO A BRUSHED ALUMINUM, SO I THINK IT'S EVEN TRYING TO BE A LITTLE MORE MATTED FINISH. 
          GOT IT, GOT IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, AND THEN JUST TO, JUST TO AT LEAST PUT THIS TO BED, UH, THIS PROJECT IS NOT IN ANY WAY GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PAVEMENT GOING INTO TOWN, BEYOND THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT, CORRECT? UH, CORRECT. 
          SO THE LIMITS OF WORK ARE CLEARLY SHOWN ON THE, UM, THE ROUNDABOUT PLAN SHEET AND THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT PLANS. 
          THEY, UM, THEY SHOW THE, THE BOUNDARY OF THE LIMITS OF WORK AND AREA OF DISTURBANCE. 
          AND SO, UM, CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE ROUNDABOUT IS CONSTRUCTED, UM, WITHIN THOSE AREAS, THEY WOULD, UH, REPAIR, UM, THE PAVEMENT WITHIN THOSE AREAS THAT WERE DAMAGED BY THE CONSTRUCTION. 
          BUT THE, UM, THE OTHER SEGMENTS LEADING INTO TOWN, UH, THAT WOULD BE JUST A PART OF THE CITY'S, UH, REGULAR, UH, MAINTENANCE AND, AND BUDGET . 
          GOT IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN NOW WE WILL, I COLLECT A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS FROM PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          OH, GO AHEAD. 
          UM, CAN YOU JUST CONFIRM ON STREET PARKING IN THE DEVELOPMENT? UH, THERE IS, UM, THERE, THERE'S TWO GARAGE SPACES. 
          THERE'S ALSO, UH, TWO DRIVEWAY SPACES. 
          SO THEY WOULD EXCEED, UM, THE PARKING MINIMUM FOR SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. 
          UM, JA DUS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE, UH, PARKING. 
          AND THERE'S ALSO ADDITIONAL, UM, STREET PARKING, UM, AS WELL. 
          RIGHT. 
          I, I'M SEEING THE NEW PUBLIC ROADS WOULD HAVE PARKING LANES ON BOTH SIDES, THE PRIVATE STREETS, UM, THEY WOULD HAVE, UM, ON STREET PARKING, I DON'T KNOW THE, THE CROSS SECTION OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, AT LEAST ONE OF THE SIDES WOULD HAVE, UH, ROOM FOR PARALLEL PARKED CARS THAT THE WIDTH DOES TAPER AS IT HEADS TOWARDS WINDSOR. 
          SO I DON'T, THERE WOULD PROBABLY BE SOME LIMITATIONS AS YOU GET TOWARDS THE BOTTOM OF THE HILL. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THE, UM, SO YEAH, THERE IS PARKING ON BOTH SIDES, UH, EE EXCEPT FOR THE, THE TWO THROATS COMING OFF OF, OF, UH, WINDSOR DRIVE. 
          THOSE ARE, UH, NO PARKING ON EITHER SIDE, BUT AS YOU TURN FROM THE KNUCKLE, THERE IS PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET. 
          COOL. 
          AND WHILE YOU'RE UP THERE, ANY PROJECTED START DATE? UM, WE ARE PUSHING HARD, PUSHING HARD IN EVERY DIRECTION TO TRY TO BE OUT THERE IN AUGUST. 
          OKAY, PERFECT. 
          AND THEN NOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE INTO COMMISSIONER COMMENTS, WHICH ALSO, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE EMERGED SINCE OTHER QUESTIONS BEEN ASKED OR COMMENTS MADE FROM THE PUBLIC, FEEL FREE TO INCLUDE THOSE AS WELL. 
          UH, FOR THIS SINCE WE STARTED ON THIS SIDE BEFORE, WE'RE GONNA START WITH JESSICA. 
          OKIE DOKIE. 
          UM, I DO THINK WE NEED TO RECONSIDER THESE BENCHES. 
          UM, AS FAR AS I COULD TELL, THERE WAS A BUMP OUT SO IT WASN'T FULLY IN THE SIDEWALK. 
          UM, BUT THE, YOU KNOW, SHINY METAL THAT'S GONNA GET HOT AND NO SHADE DOESN'T SEEM LIKE AN INVITING OUTLOOK TO ME. 
          UM, WHICH, WHICH, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE THE, UM, SORT OF INTENT TO GIVE A, A SPOT TO SIT AND CONSIDER THE VISTA, BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT IT CAN BE A LITTLE BIT, UM, MORE, MORE VEGETATION, MORE SHADE, UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE WORTH CONSIDERING. 
          I WON'T THROW A HISSY FIT OVER IT, BUT , I THINK THE BENCHES COULD USE SOME, SOME ASSISTANCE, UM, IN TERMS OF THE, LIKE ICONIC CENTRAL OAK OR OTHER, UH, SHOWCASE TREE AS OPPOSED TO THREE MEDIUM TREES. 
          UM, I, I APPRECIATE THE SORT OF GATEWAY NATURE OF THIS ROUNDABOUT, BUT DO AGREE THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE PLANTING SOMETHING THAT WILL SURVIVE. 
          UM, SO TO THE EXTENT THAT WE ARE MAYBE SETTING BACK THE LARGE TREE AND THEN SORT OF FILLING IN A COUPLE OF MEDIUMS IN THE CENTRAL WHERE THERE'S LOTS OF UTILITY OVERLAP, THAT COULD 
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BE A WAY TO DO IT. 
          IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE SYMMETRICAL, BUT YOU KNOW, SORT OF FROM THAT ENTRY POINT WITH THE PETALUMA SIGN, SORT OF KEEPING THAT AS YOUR FOCAL POINT COULD BE A WAY TO DO IT. 
          AND YOU SORT OF STILL GET SOME HEIGHT, UM, ON THE, ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE ROUNDABOUT IF YOU CONSIDER THE SIGN TO BE THE FRONT SIDE. 
          UM, JUST LOOKING FROM WHAT I COULD TELL OF THOSE, UH, FROM WHAT I COULD TELL OF THE UTILITIES, SORT OF WHERE YOU HAD THAT 11 AND A HALF FOOT, I THINK YOU SAID, UM, SORT OF THINKING OF IT LIKE A FLOWER ARRANGEMENT THAT YOU WOULD SORT OF TAPER. 
          UM, IN TERMS OF THE CAMPER TREES, I'M NEUTRAL . 
          I THINK THE, UH, CONSIDERATION OF, UM, SIGHT LINES IS AN IMPORTANT ONE FROM MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER, BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE CONSISTENCY THAT YOU DON'T WANT IT TO BE QUITE SUCH A HARD LINE BETWEEN DEVELOPMENTS. 
          UM, SO FROM A DESIGN CONSISTENCY STANDPOINT, I, I DEFINITELY LIKE SEE THE RATIONALE THERE FOR THE CAMPER TREES. 
          UM, AND, AND I'LL JUST ECHO THE PUBLIC COMMENT, UM, THAT I'M EXCITED TO HAVE A MORE ACCESSIBLE EXTENSION OF HELEN PUTNAM AS SOMEONE WHO'S, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT, LOOKING FOR GENTLE HIKES . 
          UM, I'M EXCITED FOR THAT. 
          THANKS. 
          THANKS, ROGER. 
          YEAH, I THINK THE, UH, COMMISSIONER'S COMMENT ABOUT PAVING IN THE TOWN WAS HOPEFUL THINKING, THAT WASN'T MY COMMENT. 
          I WAS REFERENCING THE COMMENT THAT WAS MADE BY THE PUBLIC TO ASK IF, JUST TO CONFIRM THAT IT WASN'T THE PROJECT'S RESPONSIBILITY, WHAT YOU'RE HOPING TO BE PAID, IF THE STREET WOULD BE PAVED. 
          I WASN'T HOPING, I JUST WANTED TO FIND OUT THE PROJECT'S SCOPE. 
          RIGHT. 
          I HOPE IT WILL BE PAID, IT PROBABLY WON'T. 
          . 
          UM, YEAH, I, I, THIS PROJECT STARTED BEFORE I WAS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND I, I HAVE TO SAY, UM, I, I'VE WATCHED IT WITH AMAZEMENT, UH, THE QUALITY OF, UH, THE TEAM, THE PEOPLE BEHIND IT, THE PROPOSAL, THE DEVELOPER'S TEAM, THE QUALITY OF THE END RESULT OF HAVING A SUBSTANTIAL OPEN SPACE PARK BARN. 
          UH, I THINK IT'S, IT'S MIRACULOUS CONSIDERING MOST DEVELOPMENT PROCESSES. 
          SO I THINK IT'S REALLY, UH, OF GREAT VALUE TO THE CITY. 
          UM, THE O MY ONLY ISSUE I THINK IS, IS THE ROUNDABOUT IN THE TREE SPECIES, WHICH I THINK THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT SHOULD LOOK AT. 
          AND, AND I MEAN, I'LL SUPPORT WHATEVER YOU THINK IS BEST, BUT I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE RE RE-LOOKED AT. 
          AND I, I SAY THAT 'CAUSE I, I LOOK AT THIS, THIS DRAWING ON THE WALL, WHICH I SPL TOGETHER MYSELF FROM THIS IS THE DRAWING I SPLICED TOGETHER MYSELF FROM THE PLANS THAT WERE GIVING ME. 
          SO THESE ARE NOT MY PLANS. 
          UM, BUT THE, THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE ROUNDABOUT AND THE DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S A BIG GAP. 
          UH, AND I KNOW IT'S NATURAL, I KNOW IT'S THE PARK, BUT SEEMED LIKE THAT ROUNDABOUT LOOKED VERY LONELY OUT THERE AND VERY SORT OF, YOU KNOW, I HOPE IT WORKS . 
          UM, IF IT WAS A 50 FOOT OAK TREE THAT WAS THERE, A SPREAD OF 50 FEET AND WE WERE PRESERVING IT, I COULD UNDERSTAND IT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT, THAT MAGNITUDE OF A TREE. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ENOUGH DENSITY OF TREES IN THE ROUNDABOUT CENTER AS WELL AS ON THE EDGES TO HELP MAKE THAT FEEL LIKE A, IT BELONGS TO WHERE IT IS. 
          UM, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, I APPRECIATE WHERE THIS PROJECT HAS GOTTEN. 
          WHEN WE WERE ORIGINALLY TALKING ABOUT THIS, WHAT FEELS LIKE EONS AGO, I, GOING BACK TO EVEN THE ORIGINAL NEGATIVE DECK AND THE EIR, IT WAS INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT TO ACCEPT THE COMPROMISE OF PUTTING FRANKLY, ANY HOUSING BY THE WOO. 
          AND I THINK IF RECENT HEADLINES HAVE DONE ANYTHING, THEY'VE ONLY REINFORCED THAT CONCERN. 
          WE'VE PASSED THAT POINT, WE'VE MADE THIS COMPROMISE AND TO, UM, TO ALSO REINFORCE WHAT ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HAD SAID, I'M INCREDIBLY GLAD TO SEE INCREASED ACCESSIBILITY FOR HELEN PUTNAM, AND I'M GLAD TO SEE THE EXPANSION OF THE PARK OVERALL LOOKING AT THESE DESIGNS AND KIND OF, I KNOW WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE ROUNDABOUT, BUT THIS WAS A SPA REVIEW FOR THE OVERALL PROJECT. 
          UH, THEY'RE FINE. 
          THEY, THEY SUIT THE AREA QUITE WELL. 
          UH, THEY, THEY SUIT THE OTHER DESIGNS FOR THAT AREA. 
          I, I WOULD'VE MAYBE PREFERRED A LITTLE BIT OF COLOR, SOME DA FEW DIFFERENT DESIGN CHOICES. 
          I WOULD POINT OUT THAT IT'S REALLY FOUR CHOICES REPEATED EIGHT TIMES A PIECE, NOT 32 UNIQUE DESIGNS, BUT THAT'S OKAY. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE GET WITH PROJECTS LIKE THIS. 
          UH, I APPRECIATE THE EMPHASIS THAT'S BEEN PUT INTO ENSURING WE HAVE WILDFIRE PROTECTION AND THAT WE HAVE THE KIND OF STRICT 
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STANDARDS THAT WE'VE TRIED TO APPLY IN PETALUMA FOR WILDFIRE PREVENTION. 
          AND I AM, I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT THE STREET NAMES END UP BEING. 
          I HOPE IT'S SOMETHING HARD TO PRONOUNCE AND LENGTHY  AND, AND SOMETHING THAT CONFUSES GOOGLE MAPS. 
          I MYSELF GREW UP ON A GLIA DRIVE AND I HAVE RARELY HAVE EVER DISCOVERED GOOGLE NOT TO THINK I'M MISSPELLING IT. 
          SO BE GREAT TO SEE THAT CONTINUED. 
          UM, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO EMPHASIZE AGREEMENT. 
          THE, I THINK THE BENCHES WE NEED TO MAKE SURE IT'S FULL ACCESSIBILITY AND ALSO ADD SHADE WHERE THEY'RE POSITIONED THAT'S JUST ASKING FOR THE SUN TO HARM WHOEVER IS OUT THERE. 
          I I'M NOT GOING TO DIG INTO THE POSITIONING OF THE BENCHES. 
          I JUST CAN'T IMAGINE ANYBODY SITTING IN THOSE LOCATIONS FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME, BUT FINE. 
          I'M SURE THERE WAS A LOT OF THOUGHT THAT WENT INTO HOW THAT WAS PICKED. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO SEE LIGHTS ON THE ENTRANCE SIGN. 
          UH, WE, WE HAVE A BIGGER PROBLEM IN PETALUMA WITH LIGHTING, SO I WOULD LIKE TO NOT HAVE A NEW PROJECT ONLY ADD TO THAT PROBLEM. 
          UH, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AN OS OSTENTATIOUS OR BRIGHT FLOOD LIGHT, BUT SOMETHING THAT GIVES PEOPLE A SENSE OF WHERE THEY'RE GOING AT NIGHT. 
          AS FOR THE ROUNDABOUT, THERE ARE OTHERS ON THIS DAIS WHO HAVE GREAT CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT THE TREES WILL LOOK LIKE ON THE ROUNDABOUT. 
          MY CONCERN IS ABOUT ACCESS TO UTILITIES FOR MAINTENANCE. 
          IT IS A CHOKE POINT. 
          THAT WAS ONE THING I CHECKED IN WITH STAFF AHEAD OF THIS MEETING THAT IS A CHECKPOINT CHOKE POINT FOR THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE THERE. 
          SO I WOULD LOVE THE, THE BEST TREE OPTIONS WE CAN GET WHILE ALSO MAKING IT EASY TO ACCESS SHOULD ANYTHING GO WRONG OUT THERE. 
          AND FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM MULTIPLE EMAILS FROM NEIGHBORS AHEAD OF THIS MEETING, THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF OUTAGES THAT COME FROM A LACK OF ACCESS TO THAT ROUNDABOUT. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PRIORITIZE THAT IN ALL DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE. 
          UH, AND THEN THE, THE FINAL COMMENT I WOULD GIVE ON THIS IS JUST MAKING SURE THAT WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT NAVIGATION FOR, FOR THE ROUNDABOUT THAT WE'VE DONE WHAT WE CAN TO ENSURE THAT ANY EMERGENCY CREWS OR ACCESS POINTS HAVE BEEN COVERED. 
          AND STAFF ALREADY ANSWERED THAT QUESTION, BUT I'D LIKE TO JUST REINFORCE IT. 
          THIS IS AN AREA THAT GIVEN CAL FIRES, UPDATED MAPS, WHICH ONLY UPDATED IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS, WILL BE OF HIGH RISK FOR FOLKS. 
          WE DO NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE IN NO WAY DIMINISHING RESPONSE TIMES. 
          AND THAT'S ABOUT IT FOR ALL THE COMMENTS THAT I HAVE. 
          OH, AND, AND ONE LAST POINT. 
          IF WE CAN ENSURE, I KNOW THIS IS THIS MORE COUNCIL ISSUE, THIS IS NOT A A PLANNING COMMISSION CONCERN, BUT I, I DO HOPE STAFF HAS THIS READY TO GO IN TIME FOR COUNCIL JUST, UH, FULL ACCOUNTING OF STORM DREAM AND UTILITY RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE SITE, JUST SO THAT WE'RE NOT RUNNING INTO SOME PROBLEMS DOWN THE ROAD. 
          WITH THAT, DARREN, UH, THANK YOU AND I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS FROM MY COMMISSIONERS AND COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. 
          ONE THAT STOOD OUT TO ME WAS, UM, NICOLA AND THE PUBLIC MENTIONED THE SIDEWALK CONTINUITY. 
          IF YOU CAN PULL UP THE, YOU HAD AN IMAGE ON SCREEN WITH THE BLUE LINE INDICATING THE SIDEWALK PATH. 
          I JUST WANNA CONFIRM, IS THAT BLUE LINE AS THE DIAGRAM COMES UP, IS THAT CONTIGUOUS? UM, AND I KNOW NICOLA IS WAVING NOW AND I JUST WANNA CONFIRM WHERE THE GAPS ARE. 
          IS IT VISIBLE ON THIS SITE OR WHERE ARE SOME OF OUR GAPS IN CONNECTIVITY? IF, AND MAYBE THAT'S AN APPLICANT QUESTION. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T HAVE A LASER POINT OR ANYTHING, BUT JUST IF THERE ARE AREAS THAT STAND OUT AS GAPS IN, IN THE CONTINUITY OF THE SIDEWALK. 
          SO YEAH, THAT, THAT IS THE, UH, THE SIDEWALK SYSTEM THROUGH, THROUGH THE PROJECT. 
          AND UH, OBVIOUSLY THE, UH, UH, WITH SINGLE LOADED STREETS, WE HAVE THE SIDEWALK ON THE, THE, UH, THE HOUSE SIDE OF THE STREET, UH, PUT, JUST PUTTING THE SIDEWALK ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE STREET WHERE THERE'S NO HOUSES IS, IS JUST A, UM, MORE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, MORE IMPACT TO OPEN SPACE. 
          SO THAT WAS THE REASON WE, WE DIDN'T DO THAT. 
          BUT CERTAINLY FROM EVERY, EVERY HOME WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION, UH, THERE IS CONTIGUOUS WALKWAY TWO WINDSOR CONTIGUOUS WALKWAY, UM, EAST, EAST OR WEST ON WINDSOR. 
          AND THEN, UM, OBVIOUSLY, UH, THERE WILL BE CONTIGUOUS SIDEWALK GOING NORTH TO, UH, DOWNTOWN ONCE WE, UH, CLOSE THAT 800 FOOT GAP. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IN THIS DIAGRAM, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW I INTERPRETED IT, THAT THIS IS ALL A CONTIGUOUS SIDEWALK. 
          SO I CAN SEE THE CONNECTIONS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          I HEAR THE CONCERN FROM THE COMMUNITY AND I'M SURE JUST US BRINGING THIS UP HAS PUT IT ON THE RADAR FOR YOUR TEAM TO WHEREVER WE CAN ACCENTUATE ACCESSIBILITY, WALKABILITY. 
          UM, SO THAT'S ONE THING I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT IN LOOKING AT THE DESIGN OF THE HOMES THEMSELVES. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AS THEY OFTEN ARE, THE SIDE ELEVATION'S RELATIVELY UNINTERESTING, NOT REALLY BROKEN UP, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE THAT VISIBLE. 
          YOU HAVE THESE LITTLE FIVE FOOT YARDS. 
          SO I'M NOT AS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, SOMETHING 
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I'M THINKING OF WITH THE FENCE ON TOP OF RETAINING WALL, UH, ANY OPTIONS, AND WE'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE WITH SOME DEVELOPMENTS, UH, POTENTIALLY LITTLE GAPS IN THE FENCING, SOMETHING TO HELP BRING LIGHT IN. 
          NOW AGAIN, THESE ARE SIDE ELEVATIONS OF A PROPERTY. 
          MAYBE LIGHT ISN'T A BIG CONSIDERATION, BUT I'M JUST THINKING WHEN YOU HAVE SOME OF THESE ELEVATIONS, WHAT THE SIDE OF THE HOME THAT IS KIND OF UNDERNEATH THE, UM, THE RETAINING WALL IS GONNA BE TOTALLY BLOCKED FROM LIGHT ON THAT SIDE OF THE HOUSE. 
          SO A DESIGN THING TO CONSIDER, WHETHER THAT'S LEAVING SMALL GAPS IN THE FENCE, UM, SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE TO, TO TRY TO MITIGATE THAT. 
          UM, FOR ALL OF THE DESIGNS I WOULD LOVE TO SEE AND YOU KNOW, NOT A WILD COLOR PALETTE, BUT IN DRIVING AROUND THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS, THERE ARE A COUPLE COLORS INCLUDING LIKE SOME EARTH TONE KINDA MUTED RED COLORS, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT I THINK WORKED REALLY WELL. 
          UM, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A COUPLE THAT ARE CLOSE IN ACCENT PIECES TO SOME OF THE DOORS, NOT THOSE EXACT COLORS, OTHERWISE I'D READ THEM BY NAME. 
          BUT SOMETHING IN THAT REALM, I THINK IT'S WORTH CONSIDERING FOR YOUR TEAM. 
          I DON'T WANT TO CONDITION THE PROJECT OR I THINK THAT WOULD BE A NICE ADDITION THOUGH. 
          UH, I THINK OF ALL THE DESIGNS, UH, IN TERMS OF OUR SPARK CONSIDERATIONS, ARE THEY HARMONIOUS AND IN PROPORTION? I THINK THEY ARE RELATIVE TO THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          ARE THEY APPROPRIATE AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE CHARACTER OF THOSE OTHER PUDS AND SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS? YES, I WOULD SAY OF THE DESIGNS, I THINK PROBABLY THE LEAST SUCCESSFUL IS THE CALIFORNIA RANCH. 
          I THINK THE MASSING, THE WINDOWS ARE A LITTLE BIT OFF WITH THAT FOR ME. 
          BUT, UM, THAT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE. 
          I COULDN'T FIND A WAY OF GIVING ARTFUL FEEDBACK ON HOW TO IMPROVE IT. 
          I THINK I SEE THE DESIGN CONSIDERATION YOU WERE GOING FOR, BUT IT WAS JUST THE ONE THAT I THINK KIND OF, UH, WITH THE LEAST SUCCESSFUL AND WHAT IT WAS TRYING TO ACHIEVE. 
          UM, AND THEN, YEAH, I I WANTED TO BE CAREFUL TO MENTION THAT 'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA MAKE THIS ALL ABOUT TREES, UH, AND NOT BE TOO PRESCRIPTIVE ABOUT TREES. 
          BUT I WOULD RECOMMEND ADDING THE, UH, OSA, THE WESTERN SYCAMORE SOMEWHERE IN THE PLANT PALETTE. 
          YOU KNOW, WE DID HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT OAKS. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE IS A QUESTION ABOUT OAK HEALTH IN SONOMA COUNTY THAT SAID IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO CONTINUE PLANTING THEM BECAUSE WE ARE DEVELOPING, UH, RESISTANT MEMBERS OF THAT COMMUNITY. 
          YOU'RE ONLY GONNA GET OAKS THAT SURVIVE IF YOU KEEP PLANTING THEM BECOME MORE RESILIENT. 
          BUT THEY NEED TO BE MIXED WITH OTHER TREE SPECIES SO YOU DON'T HAVE THESE MASSIVE DIE-OFFS OR SPREADS OF THE FUNGUS OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S, THAT'S CAUSING THE ISSUE. 
          UH, SO YES, ADD WESTERN SYCAMORE TO THE PALLET. 
          UM, AND AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE DRAIN OR AS I TALKED ABOUT DRAINAGE ON SITE, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE THE CONCRETE CHANNELS. 
          UH, WE HAVE THE BIG BUYER RETENTION BASIN. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'VE RECENTLY HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT LID, LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT, BIO SWALES. 
          I'M WONDERING WHERE FEASIBLE. 
          I THINK THESE CHANNELS ARE A LOT SMALLER SCALE THAN YOUR BIOSWALES WOULD BE, BUT WHERE FEASIBLE TRY TO IMPLEMENT SOME TECHNIQUES LIKE THAT. 
          UM, JUST BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF OUR PREFERRED METHODOLOGY FOR DRAINAGE. 
          AND I DON'T LOVE SEEING THE CONCRETE CHANNEL STYLE. 
          NOW THERE'S CONSIDERATIONS WITH THE SITE. 
          I SAW THE DESIGN, I GET THAT. 
          BUT AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO CONDITION THE PROJECT, BUT I WANT TO ADVOCATE FOR INCLUDING, UH, BIOSWALES OR OTHER KIND OF LID TECHNIQUES WHERE APPLICABLE. 
          UH, AND I DO APPRECIATE STAFF OR ANDREW FOR RECOMMENDING, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY USING STATEMENTS THAT ARE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS ABOUT A NO CHEMICAL IPMI WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT INTEGRATED AS FEASIBLE. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN HASH THAT OUT HERE WHEN WE, WHEN WE GO THROUGH AND WALK THROUGH IT, BUT IF THERE'S LANGUAGE WE CAN ADOPT FROM THE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT TO INCLUDE WITH THIS PROJECT BECAUSE IT IS A SMALL AREA THAT WE'RE EVEN TALKING ABOUT HERBICIDES. 
          SO I THINK IT'S WORTH INCLUDING THAT. 
          UH, AND THEN THE ROUNDABOUT, UM, I THINK FOR THE ROUNDABOUT, YOU KNOW, I I'VE HEARD KIND OF GOOD REASONING FROM THE APPLICANT, GOOD DISCUSSION WITH THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS HERE. 
          AND IF THIS, ACTUALLY, THIS IS A GOOD QUESTION. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WOULD BE PUBLIC WORKS, BUT FOR MAINTENANCE WITH THAT FAULT OF PUBLIC WORKS, FOR MAINTENANCE OF ANY TREES ON THE ROUNDABOUT, AND I WOULD ASSUME WE'RE HAND WATERING OR IS THERE WATER THERE ON SITE? I DON'T THINK THERE'S IRRIGATION THERE. 
          UH, I WOULD DEFER, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE SUBMITTED AN IRRIGATION PLAN WITH THIS PARTICULAR, AT THIS LEVEL OF DETAIL. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, IT, BUT I DEFER TO THE APPLICANT TO ANSWER IRRIGATION, ALSO IRRIGATION MAINTENANCE. 
          OKAY. 
          THERE WILL BE IRRIGATION AT THAT, THAT ROUND AT THE ROUNDABOUT. 
          THERE ARE THINGS YOU CAN DO WITH ROOT BARRIERS AND WITH DEEP ROOT WATERING, UH, AND ROOT SHAVING EARLY IN THE LIFE OF A TREE THAT CAN REALLY HELP IT ADAPT AND CONFORM EVEN TO A TIGHT SPACE. 
          UM, SO AGAIN, I DON'T WANNA BE TOO PRESCRIPTIVE. 
          I WANT OUR UTILITIES TO BE ACCESSIBLE. 
          UH, BUT I DO THINK A TREE IS A NATURAL FIT THERE. 
          IT'S A GOOD STATEMENT FOR THE ENTRY TO THE CITY. 
          AND I LIKE OUR BUTS MARINA AS ORNAMENTALS IN MY YARD, BUT IT'S NOT A VERY EMBLEMATIC TREE OF OUR AREA IN ANY SENSE. 
          SO AS MUCH AS WE CAN, AND AGAIN, MAYBE IT'S A WESTERN SYCAMORE, MAYBE IT'S AN OAK TREE. 
          UM, BUT I THINK THERE'S SOME TECHNIQUES WE CAN EXPLORE, 
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UM, TO TRY TO HAVE IT MITIGATE IMPACT EVEN IN THAT TIGHT SPACE WITH UTILITIES, BUT STILL GIVE US THE EFFECT. 
          AND I WOULD ACTUALLY ECHO COMMISSIONER MC LANE'S COMMENT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SURROUNDING THE ROUNDABOUT WHERE APPLICABLE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ON THOSE MEDIANS OR WE HAVE VISIBILITY ISSUES POTENTIALLY, UM, BUT INCLUDING EITHER THAT SAME SPECIES OR SOMETHING OF THE, LIKE, KIND OF AROUND THE ROUNDABOUT TO BUILD THAT SENSE OF, AND, AND I THINK THAT COULD HELP. 
          IT'S BEEN FOUND THAT CAN HELP TO REDUCE SPEEDS AS WELL. 
          SOME ARTFUL TREE PLANTINGS AROUND A ROUNDABOUT COULD BE A NATURAL WAY TO REDUCE SPEEDS COMING IN AND OUT. 
          UH, SO THAT IS THE END OF MY COMMENTARY AND JUST MAKING SURE, I THINK STAFF PROBABLY HAS MY RESPONSES TO SPAR WITH THIS. 
          OH, AND THE LAST PIECE, UH, THE SIGHTING IN THE HILLSIDE. 
          I GET THE PRACTICALITY OF IT. 
          I WOULD, I I DON'T LOVE IT. 
          I DON'T LOVE GRADING THE WHOLE SITE. 
          I LOVE KIND OF USING THE HILLSIDE. 
          AND AGAIN, WE'VE JUST SEEN SOME EXAMPLES RECENTLY THAT DO A REALLY GOOD JOB. 
          UM, SO I, I GUESS THAT'S, THAT'S NOT GUIDANCE. 
          I DON'T THINK WE'RE AT A STAGE WHERE I CAN ADVISE DIFFERENT DESIGNS IN THAT RESPECT. 
          BUT I'LL JUST COMMENT THAT I'M NOT THE BIGGEST FAN OF THE, THE FULL FLAT SITE THERE. 
          IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE PUTTING FLAT HOMES ON A HILLSIDE INSTEAD OF USING THE HILLSIDE, BUT THERE, THERE OBVIOUSLY ARE, ARE REASONS FOR THAT. 
          SO, UH, THOSE ARE ALL MY COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I JUST WANNA GO BACK TO THE, UM, THE STREET PARKING WHERE IT, IT ENDS. 
          ARE THOSE, ARE YOU GONNA HAVE A DA CURB CUTS OFF OF THOSE? AND I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OF THEM. 
          SO IF SOMEBODY IS THERE, THEY CAN AT LEAST GET OFF THE CURB OR A BICYCLE. 
          YEAH, THE, THE, THERE ARE, UH, A DA, UH, ACCESSIBLE RAMPS AT THE INTERSECTION OF A'S AND B STREETS ON WINDSOR DRIVE. 
          UM, SO, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY DOWN AT THE, UH, THE ROUNDABOUT. 
          SO OKAY, I'M, I'M ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT, WE'LL JUST CALL IT A AND B STREET UHHUH , UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT ENDS UHHUH AT THE BULB THERE OH NO, NO, THAT IT ENDS. 
          AND SO THEREFORE YOU GOTTA TURN AROUND AND WALK BACK THE OTHER WAY. 
          THERE'S, WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE WALKING. 
          I GUESS THE INTENT IS FOR PEOPLE NOT TO WALK ON THE STREET. 
          WE DON'T WANT TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE WALKING ON THE STREET. 
          UM, WELL THAT'S KIND OF THE, SOMETIMES WHEN YOU DON'T PUT SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES, WE KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE CUL-DE-SACS AND WE KNOW THAT PEOPLE WILL PROBABLY BE WALKING ON THE STREET AND IF IT JUST ENDS AND IF SOMEBODY IS ON A WHEELCHAIR OR PUSHING A STROLLER AND THEY WANNA GO TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET, YOU KNOW, OR WHATEVER, IF IT COULD JUST BE A RAMP INSTEAD. 
          YEAH. 
          THERE'S, INSTEAD THERE ARE DRIVEWAY APPROACHES THERE AT, AT THE END. 
          THERE ARE DRIVEWAY APPROACHES AT THE END OF THE CUL-DE-SAC. 
          I MEAN, THEY CAN EASILY ACCESS DOWN THOSE. 
          NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. 
          CAN WE PUT THAT UP? THAT MAP UP? OKAY. 
          SO WHEN I AM LOOKING AT A, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THE TURQUOISE ON THE FAR, UM, NORTH SIDE, RIGHT? SO IT JUST ENDS THERE. 
          MM-HMM, . 
          SO IS THERE A WAY TO JUST AT LEAST MAKE A RAMP SO PEOPLE CAN GET OFF? YEAH. 
          SO ON A STREET ON ON FRONT OF LOT 13, IS THAT WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING? UH, LOT THREE. 
          OKAY. 
          LOT THREE. 
          SO THERE IS A, THERE IS A, THERE IS ACTUALLY A DRIVEWAY APPROACH THERE FOR THAT PRIVATE ROAD. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NOW GO OVER TO B WHEN YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT, B DOES THAT FOR SOME REASON THAT THAT SIDEWALK EXTENDS BEYOND THAT DRIVEWAY, WHICH IT SHOULDN'T. 
          UM, AND WE PROBABLY HAVE CORRECTED THAT SINCE, WELL, NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ONE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE ON THE SOUTH SIDE. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          THAT ONE. 
          UM, WHICH ONE? I'M SORRY. 
          THAT IN FRONT OF LOT 28 IN FRONT WHERE LOT 15 IS ACROSS THE STREET. 
          OH YEAH. 
          SO WITH THAT SIDEWALK ACCESS IS, IS THE, THE UPPER PARKING LOT FOR THE PARK. 
          AND THEN, AND THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT GETS YOU FROM AND INTO THE, THE PARKING LOT THAT'S PROPOSED BY A-K-C-P-P THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THERE AN, SO IS THAT THE ENTRANCE INTO THE, THAT PARKING LOT THEN IT'S SO IT'S GONNA BE SLOPED IT OR LIKE A DRIVEWAY THERE BE, YEAH, THERE WILL BE A DRIVEWAY APPROACH RIGHT THERE, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S, UH, THAT CLARIFIES THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH ON THAT. 
          UM, AS FAR AS THE, UM, THE ROUNDABOUT, I STILL PREFER ART, UM, WITH, YOU KNOW, NATIVE PLANTING AROUND IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GONNA GET INTO WHAT TREES ARE IN THERE, BUT I AM CONCERNED MORE ABOUT THE UTILITIES TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE THE LONGEVITY AND HEARING WHAT, UM, UM, COMMISSIONER KUSON IS SAYING. 
          AND SO WHATEVER TREE GOES THERE, THERE SHOULD PROBABLY BE THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT SHOULD GO AROUND IT. 
          SO WE ACTUALLY TELL THE ROOTS WHERE 
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THEY'RE GONNA GO INSTEAD OF THE ROOTS DECIDE TO GO OUT, THAT THEY'LL GO DOWN. 
          AND SO I'D LIKE THAT TO BE, UM, EVALUATED. 
          AND THE MAINTENANCE, I REALLY THINK IT SHOULD BE TIED TO THE HOA AND I'D LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER THAT BECAUSE I WANT IT TO LOOK NICE AND IF IT'S NOT TIED TO SOMETHING, THE MAINTENANCE COULD, UM, BE PROBLEMATIC. 
          AND I'M GLAD THAT THERE'S WATER THERE. 
          SO THAT MEANS THERE'S ELECTRICAL THERE. 
          SO, UM, CAN WE HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, SO WE CAN ACTUALLY CONNECT ELECTRICAL IF WE WANT THE SIGN LIT OR SOME TYPE OF LIGHTING. 
          SO WOULD YOU LIKE ME, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO ANSWER? YES, I . 
          SO, UH, FOR THE LIGHTING, UH, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S AN EASY ONE. 
          THERE WILL BE A ELECTRIC METER PEDESTAL, UM, DEDICATED JUST FOR THAT ROUNDABOUT AND THOSE IMPROVEMENTS THERE. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S A SIMPLE CONDUIT ACROSS AND AS LONG AS THE CITY WANTS LIGHTING THERE, I MEAN THAT'S, AGAIN, THE INTENT WAS THIS IS A, A CITY FACILITY, RIGHT? AND, AND INCLUDING THE, THE, THE LANDSCAPE AND THE MAINTENANCE. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION REGARDING THE MAINTENANCE, UM, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT STAFF AND I REALLY NEED TO, TO TALK THROUGH. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S, UM, THERE'S LI LIABILITY, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT, A LOT GOING ON THERE WITH CARS SMASHING INTO THAT WALL EVERY, YOU KNOW, EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT'S JUST, IT'S A HUGE BURDEN. 
          HUGE BURDEN ON 28 HOMES. 
          OKAY, I UNDERSTAND THAT AND I, I APPRECIATE THAT AND I FIGURE YOU CAN JUST TALK WITH STAFF ABOUT IT SURE. 
          AND WHAT HAPPENS ENDS UP HAPPENING. 
          SURE. 
          AND I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I SEE GINA, UM, BENEDETTI, NIK IS IN THE ROOM AND SO, UM, WITH THE D STREET PROJECT IS THAT GOING PAST SUNNY SLOPE AND, AND GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS, THE D STREET PROJECT WILL BE GOING FROM CITY LIMITS WEST OF, UM, OF THE ROUNDABOUT, UH, TO PETA BOULEVARD AS CURRENTLY PLANNED. 
          SO IT WILL BE IMPROVED. 
          UH, YEAH. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND, AND OUR STAFF AND TEAM ARE WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT COORDINATING, UH, COORDINATING THE WORK, UH, AROUND AND UH, AROUND THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE, UM, FOR OUR, UM, FIGHT PET FACILITIES AND OF COURSE FOR THE, FOR THE STREET AND THE UTILITIES. 
          SO, UH, AND, AND I I JUST WANT TO NOTE THAT UTILITY ACCESS IN, IN THAT ROUNDABOUT IS, IS EX IS UM, AS HAS BEEN POINTED OUT, VERY IMPORTANT. 
          AND WE DO HAVE, UM, UH, IN OUR STREET STANDARDS MINIMUM CLEARANCES FOR STREET TREES FROM OUR UNDERGROUND UTILITIES. 
          AND I BELIEVE THAT THAT IS PART OF WHAT YOU'RE SEEING WITH PLACEMENT HERE. 
          UM, AND THEN I'LL JUST POINT OUT FOR, FOR, YOU KNOW, GENERAL INFORMATION THAT, UM, I THINK WE HAVE PROBABLY REPLACED STREET TREES AT THE CRYSTAL LANE ROUNDABOUT, UM, ON AVERAGE AT LEAST TWO TO THREE TIMES A YEAR DUE TO HITS, UM, THEIR TARGETS AND UM, AND IT, THEY ARE, IT IS A CHALLENGE TO MAINTAIN THOSE AND LIGHTING WILL BE SIMILARLY. 
          AND UM, AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT LIGHTING IS BEING Y YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR THERE. 
          I'VE HEARD TALK ABOUT LIGHTING AT THE ROUNDABOUT, BUT UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NEED TO PROVIDE SOME MORE CLARITY OR DIRECTION ABOUT WHETHER YOU'RE LOOKING FOR UP LIGHTING, UM, OR LOW LOWER LEVEL LIGHTING OR WE WERE TALKING ABOUT POLE LIGHTING, BUT UM, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT LIGHTING FOR THE SIGN, JUST TO BE CLEAR, NOT AROUND, JUST FOR THE SIGN. 
          YEAH. 
          SO UP LIGHTING WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYTHING ELSE WHILE I'M UP? NO, I THINK THAT'S IT. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          AND SO KIND OF WHEN I'M TALKING ABOUT ART, UM, I JUST, I'M LOOKING AT ART BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE YOU CAN GET SOME HEIGHT THERE AND WHEN YOU'RE COMING AROUND THAT AREA, UM, I DON'T KNOW, BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. 
          UM, AS, UM, HANG ON, LET ME SEE SOMETHING ELSE ON THE, THE CAMPER TREES. 
          I KIND OF AGREE WITH. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER, UM, I, WE SCREW UP YOUR NAME. 
          UM, ROGER, I REALLY DON'T LIKE THOSE TREES . 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK IT'S, I MEAN THAT WAS DONE HOW MANY YEARS AGO AND WERE THEY THE APPROPRIATE TREES AT THE TIME? BUT IT SEEMS LIKE GOING UP WINDSOR DRIVE FROM THE ROUNDABOUT THAT WE COULD GET DIFFERENT PLANTING OF NATIVE PLANTS AND POSSIBLY UP WHERE LOT ONE IS JUST PAST THAT. 
          UM, 
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BUT OTHERWISE MAYBE JUST UP TO A AND B AND I'D LIKE TO SEE DIFFERENT TYPE OF PLANTING. 
          IS IS THAT ALSO WERE, WERE THOSE SAME TREES GOING UP? WINDSOR DRIVE? I DON'T HAVE THE MAP UP TO LOOK. 
          SO THE TREES FROM THE ROUNDABOUT TO THE AB INTERSECTION ARE MORE THE MIX OF THE OAKS AND THEN IT'S JUST FROM THE AB INTERSECTION UP TO THE NEXT DEVELOPMENT THAT IT'S THE CAMPER TREES AT THE MOMENT. 
          WELL, THEY'RE NOT MY FAVORITE, BUT YEAH. 
          UM, I'M NOT GONNA, I'LL GO EITHER WAY JUST AS LONG AS THE OTHER AREA AND I REALIZE IS THE NATIVE PLANTS, SO THAT'S GREAT. 
          UM, AND AS FAR AS THE BENCHES, YOU KNOW, I THINK IF YOU, IF THEY'RE PLACED PROPERLY, UM, THE TREES CAN BE AROUND THEM AND THEN THE TREES END UP BEING THE SHADE, WHICH I WOULD ACTUALLY PREFER THAN LIKE BUILDING A BENCH WITH, YOU KNOW, A SHADE OVER IT FOR THE LONG TERM. 
          I THINK THE TREES, UM, WOULD BE BETTER AND THAT'S IT. 
          AND I DO WANNA SAY ONE THING. 
          I'M SO GLAD THAT THOSE EUCALYPTUS TREES ARE GONNA BE DOWN BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST FIRE HAZARDS AND WELL, YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S SOME OF THE BEST NEWS. 
          YEAH, I READ WELL AND ON AND ON THAT NOTE WITH REGARDS TO BOTH FIRE HAZARDS AND ALSO THE POINT OF CONNECTION WITH THE HOA FOR MAINTENANCE, I WOULD ALSO STRONGLY ADVOCATE THAT ONE, WE PICK TREES THAT ARE FIRE RESISTANT, THAT IS SPECIFIC SET OF SPECIES, BUT IF WE'RE ADDING ANYTHING AROUND THE ROUNDABOUT, WE SHOULD NOT BE ADDING TO A FIRE RISK IN THE AREA. 
          I DON'T CARE HOW MAJESTIC WE WANT IT TO LOOK. 
          SO I WOULD STRONGLY ADVOCATE FOR FIRE RESISTANT SPECIES. 
          THE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT, IF WE'RE HAVING THE HOA FUND MAINTENANCE, THEN WE SHOULD ALSO CONSIDER AFFORDABILITY BASED ON FOR THIS TREES WE'RE GOING TO PICK. 
          IF IT'S THE CITY PAYING FOR MAINTENANCE, WE CAN DO WHATEVER WE WANT. 
          BUT IF IT'S THE HOA DOING IT, WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERATE OF THAT TOO. 
          WELL, FROM WHAT I HEARD IS THERE'S A LOT OF LIABILITY AND I DO NOT WANNA PUT IT ON 28 HOMES AND I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE IRRESPONSIBLE. 
          SO I'M BACKING OFF ON THAT. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          I WASN'T SURE. 
          ALRIGHT, UNLESS WE HAVE OTHER COMMENTS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ACTUALLY DISCUSS A VOTE, WHICH IS, I KNOW THE THING WE LIKE TO KIND OF MEANDER TO NORMALLY DOES, DOES ANYBODY HAVE A MOTION THEY'D LIKE TO BRING FORWARD? I WAS GONNA ASK IF ANDREW OR MIKE COULD READ KIND OF A LIST OF CHANGES THUS FAR. 
          YEAH, SIR, I CAN DO THAT FOR THE COMMISSION. 
          UM, ONE MOMENT PLEASE. 
          SO WE HAVE, UM, 10 ADDITIONAL CON OR NINE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, CHAIN MODIFICATIONS OR ADDITIONS. 
          AND THEN, UM, THE 10TH, I BELIEVE THE, UH, CITY ATTORNEY ERIC DANLEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A BIT MORE DISCUSSION ON THE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE'RE ABLE TO, TO SATISFY WHAT THE, THE COMMISSION SEEKS WITHOUT BEING OVERBURDENSOME ON THE HOA. 
          UH, AND I BELIEVE THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO, UH, MOVE THAT FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL AS PART OF THE FINAL MAP. 
          UM, SO THE, THE FIRST, UH, WOULD BE MODIFY A MODIFICATION AND THAT WOULD BE TO MODIFY THE RESOLUTION REFERENCE, UM, TO JUNE 25TH, 2023 TO JUNE 25TH, 2024. 
          THE SECOND WOULD BE A MODIFICATION OF CONDITION OF APPROVAL, 22 TO ADD DARK SKY COMPLIANT TO THE CONDITION. 
          THE THIRD MODIFICATION WOULD BE TO CONDITION OF APPROVAL. 
          24 TO ADD AN INTEGRATED PEST MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT PROVIDES FOR ZERO USE OF CHEMICAL PESTICIDES, HERBICIDES, FERTILIZERS, OR OTHER SYNTHETIC CHEMICALS SHALL BE INCLUDED WITH THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AND IMPLEMENTED. 
          UH, NUMBER FOUR WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION OF APPROVAL. 
          CONSIDER HOW ROUNDABOUT TREE PLANTINGS CAN ENHANCE THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE ROUNDABOUT AND RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AT THE CORE OF THE PROJECT WHILE PRIORITIZING ACCESS TO UTILITIES AND FINAL DESIGN APPROVED BY STAFF. 
          UTILIZE A BOREAL BEST PRACTICES TO REDUCE CONFLICTS BETWEEN TREES AND UTILITIES. 
          UM, ITEM NUMBER FIVE WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION OF APPROVAL. 
          CONSIDER HOW TREE AND LANDSCAPE PLANTINGS AT THE EDGES OF ROUNDABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE CAN BE DESIGNED TO INTEGRATE THE ROUNDABOUT INTO ITS SURROUNDINGS. 
          NUMBER SIX WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION OF APPROVAL. 
          CONSIDER SUBSTITUTING ANOTHER TREE SPECIES FOR THE CAMPER TREE SPECIES PROPOSED 
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ALONG WINDSOR DRIVE, INTEGRATE WESTERN SYCAMORE SPECIES INTO TREE PLANTING PALLET, ESPECIALLY ROUND ROUNDABOUT. 
          ITEM NUMBER SEVEN WOULD BE ADDITIONAL CONDITION OF APPROVAL. 
          CONSIDER TREE LOCATIONS IN RELATIONSHIP TO RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE SO THAT LARGER TREES CAN BE PLANTED. 
          ITEM EIGHT WOULD BE ADDITIONAL CONDITION OF APPROVAL. 
          ADD TWO, ADD TWO REQUIRED BENCH LOCATIONS. 
          INSTALL NON-METAL BENCHES OR SHADE STRUCTURES TO ADDRESS POTENTIAL SOLAR HEAT IMPACTS. 
          ITEM NUMBER NINE, ADDITIONAL CONDITION OF APPROVAL. 
          CONSIDER HOW A DIFFERENT FENCE DESIGN CAN ADDRESS THE WALLED EFFECT OF THE FENCES BETWEEN THE RESIDENCES. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, NUMBER 10, FOR DISCUSSION. 
          WE HAD DRAFTED A CONDITION OF APPROVAL. 
          THE APPLICANT AND CITY SHALL ENTER INTO A LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT WHEREBY THE HOA ASSUMES THE OBLIGATION TO MAINTAIN ROUNDABOUT LANDSCAPING IN ACCORDANCE WITH APPLICABLE CITY STANDARDS. 
          THE APPLICANT'S MAINTENANCE OBLIGATIONS UNDER THE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY SHALL BE ASSIGNED TO THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION UPON ITS CREATION AND THE ASSIGNMENT RATIFIED BY THE APPLICANT, THE ASSOCIATION AND THE CITY AGREEMENT TO BE PRESENTED AS PART OF THE FINAL MAP SLASH PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT PLAN. 
          SUBJECT TO REVIEW BY THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          ANDREW, UM, IF I MAY ADD, DO WE, DID, DID YOU, I JUST WANNA CONFIRM, DID YOU HAVE ILLUMINATION UPLIGHTING OF THE SIGN IN THE ROUNDABOUT? NO, I HADN'T ADDED THAT. 
          DO WE NEED, WE NEED A CONDITION ILLUMINATION FOR THE LIGHTING OF THE SIGN. 
          I THINK THERE WAS SOME CONSENSUS AROUND THAT. 
          UM, THERE WAS ALSO, I BELIEVE, UM, DID YOU HAVE PUBLIC ART? I THINK YOU HAD IT IN YOUR ROUNDABOUT, UH, EXPLORING. 
          NO, I HAD IT IN NOTES, BUT I DIDN'T INCLUDE IT AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL. 
          UM, I UNDERSTOOD FROM THE COUNCIL MEMBER'S COMMENTS THAT WHILE SHE, SHE IS INTERESTED IN PUBLIC ART, THAT, UH, SHE WAS GOING TO ACQUIESCE TO THE TREE PLANTINGS. 
          WELL, MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE PUBLIC ART. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT IT'S MAJORITY RULE. 
          SO , WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS. 
          SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S NOT CONSENSUS TO ADD THAT. 
          UM, AND THEN I ALSO, UH, WE COULD, WE COULD ALSO ADD, UM, EXPLORING, UH, AT, UM, INTEGRATING A WESTERN SYCAMORE SPECIES TO THE, UH, THE PALLET. 
          UM, AND I BELIEVE, UM, THERE WAS ALSO, WE COULD ADD TO THAT, UM, SHADE STRUCTURE CANOPY, UM, ADDING TREE SHADE UNDER, UH, OVERHEAD OF THE BENCHES. 
          IN ADDITION TO, UH, CONSIDERING A SHADE STRUCTURE. 
          CAN, CAN WE ALSO ADD THE, THE CURB CUT NECE THE NECESSITY FOR A DA ACCESSIBILITY FOR THE BENCHES? 'CAUSE BEFORE THEY, THE WAY THEY'RE SHOWN NOW, THEY'RE JUST ON A SIDEWALK. 
          I WASN'T, I WASN'T SURE ABOUT THE COMMENT ABOUT A DA ACCESSIBILITY FOR THE BENCHES BECAUSE THEY ARE ON AN ACCESSIBLE SIDEWALK AND SO THEY WOULD BE ACCESSIBLE. 
          SO PERHAPS, PERHAPS YOUR COMMENT ABOUT ADDING A RAMP TO GAIN ACCESS. 
          NOT NECESSARILY FOR A WHEELCHAIR, THOUGH. 
          THAT'S WHY I'M THINKING CURB CUT SIDEWALK. 
          'CAUSE A RAMP ISN'T NECESSARILY THE BEST ROUTE EITHER. 
          I I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY A BULB OUT IN THE SIDEWALK THAT GIVE, GIVES ACCESS TO THE BENCH. 
          SO IT'S FLUSH. 
          YEAH. 
          IF YOU LOOK BEHIND YOU ON THE DIAGRAM, THERE'S DEFINITELY A OH, OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, THANK YOU. 
          MORE VOLUME OF SIDEWALK THAN JUST THE STRAIGHT UP. 
          YEP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS ON THOSE. 
          WHAT I COUNT NOW AS 11 POTENTIAL CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL FOR NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS THE ROUNDABOUT TREE CONSIDERATION, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF ADDING SOME LANGUAGE THERE ABOUT A PUBLIC ART ALTERNATIVE IF THERE IS STRAW POLL CONSENSUS TO WIDEN THAT NUMBER FOUR CONDITION OF APPROVAL FOR ROUNDABOUT DESIGN, IF I LIKE THAT OPTION. 
          UM, WHAT I'M WONDERING IS IF THE DECISION WAS MADE TO INSTALL ART IN LIEU OF TREES, WOULD THE COMMISSION BE COMFORTABLE WITH THE CITY'S PUBLIC ART SPECIALIST OR PERHAPS THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE PROVIDING THAT REVIEW? THAT WOULD INCLUDE PUBLIC INPUT. 
          NO, NO BATHTUBS, NO HANGING TOILETS. 
          NO. 
          KEEP THEM OFF. 
          THAT'S WHAT MAKES OUR COOL. 
          IF WE CAN, IF I, SO I, I APPRECIATE THAT THERE ARE FEELINGS ABOUT THIS. 
          WE'RE GONNA KEEP THE DISCUSSION ON THE D THOUGH. 
          BUT THANK 
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YOU AS AN THERE. 
          AND THEN JANICE. 
          OH, WELL, I WAS GONNA JUST GONNA SAY YOU AND THEN JANICE, SORRY. 
          AS IN BETWEEN THERE, I MEAN, COULD THIS BE IN A HIERARCHY TREE PLANTING'S PREFERRED AT THE DISCRETION OF PLANNING WITH PUBLIC WORKS OR CITY ENGINEERS IF IT'S DEEMED INFEASIBLE FOR WHATEVER REASON, THE BACKSTOP IS A PUBLIC ART PROCESS. 
          I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          IF OUR CITY ENGINEER SAYS THAT A TREE IS INFEASIBLE IN THAT AREA, DO WE WANT IT EMPTY OR DO WE WANT ANOTHER OPTION? I MEAN, WE MIGHT HAVE TO CONDITION TO SAY NO BATHTUBS. 
          UH, NO, BUT I THINK, I THINK INCLUDING IT THERE, IF, IF SOMETHING'S INFEASIBLE, UM, WOULD BE, AND ANDREA, I THINK YOU WORDSMITH IT REALLY WELL. 
          SO I'M, I'M GONNA TRUST YOU TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THERE, JANICE. 
          AND MY CONCERN WITH THAT AREA IS I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF A TREE IS THERE, AND DEPENDING ON WHAT SIZE YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE TRUCKS GOING UP THERE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, TRAFFIC GOING EITHER WAY. 
          AND THERE IT'S A FOUR-WAY INTERSECTION, BASICALLY. 
          AND THAT'S MORE OF MY CONCERN. 
          CONCERN IS I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A LOT OF VISIBILITY, UM, BECAUSE THERE'S A CURVE IN THE ROAD WHEN YOU'RE COMING IN FROM D STREET. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S A CONCERN. 
          AND IF YOU, YOU KNOW, I, I KIND OF VISUALIZE THIS BIG TREE THERE AND YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE LARGE TRUCKS AND THEY'RE GONNA CONTINUE GOING THERE. 
          'CAUSE THAT IS FROM THE RURAL AREA. 
          SO SAFETY IS A CONCERN. 
          AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT EVALUATED JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IS PUT THERE. 
          MM-HMM. 
           THAT THERE'S REALLY GOOD VISIBILITY. 
          WELL, AND TO BE FAIR, DEPENDING ON THE ART PIECE, VISIBILITY COULD STILL BE A PROBLEM. 
          WELL, SO, WELL, NO. 
          AND THAT'S WHY I'M WONDERING WHAT IF WE GO FOLLOWING COMMISSIONER ZEN'S POINT HIERARCHY OF IF TREES ARE FEASIBLE, WE GO THE ROUTE TREES. 
          IF NOT, WE LOOK AT ART. 
          BUT REGARDLESS OF CHOICE, ACCESSIBILITY IS THE PRIMARY CONCERN ACROSS THE BOARD. 
          SO BEING ABLE TO SEE PAST, BEING ABLE TO HAVE THAT, THAT VISIBILITY IS WHAT IS MOST IMPORTANT. 
          UM, WHAT I'D LIKE TO ALSO THROW IN THERE, BECAUSE I DIDN'T HEAR THAT IN ANY OF THE CONDITIONS, IS PARAMOUNT. 
          ONE, IF WE ARE LOOKING AT TREES, WE ARE LOOKING AT FIRE RESISTANT TREES. 
          AND THEN TWO, ENSURING THAT UTILITY ACCESS IS MAINTAINED. 
          THAT WAS IN THERE. 
          YEAH, ROGER. 
          UM, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED WITH DESIGNING THIS ROUNDABOUT BY COMMITTEE, AND WE REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA GET BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T SEEN THAT, WHAT IT MEANS. 
          I MEAN, WE ARE THE COMMITTEE FOR THAT, ROGER. 
          SO, YEAH. 
          SO MY, MY SUGGESTION IS THAT THE APPLICANT STUDY ALTERNATIVES FOR THE ROUNDABOUT, AND I'M EVEN OPEN TO NO TREES ON THE ROUNDABOUT, BUT TREES AROUND THE ROUNDABOUT THAT CREATE A SENSE OF PLACE. 
          I MEAN, IF THE UTILITIES ARE AN ISSUE, AND IF SAFETY'S AN ISSUE, THEN LET'S FACE IT. 
          BUT WHAT ARE THE ALTERNATIVES FOR THE DESIGN OF THE ROUNDABOUT? AND LET THE PLANNING COMMISSION SEE WHAT, WHAT OUR FAVORITE IS. 
          'CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA GET. 
          UH, JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, WE'RE NEVER GONNA SEE THIS AGAIN, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT. 
          UH, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO NOW IS PUT IN CONDITIONS FOR APPROVAL. 
          WE'RE NOT GONNA SEE THE DESIGN AGAIN. 
          CAN WE ASK FOR A RETURN OF THE ROUNDABOUT DESIGN? NO. 
          THIS MOVES FORWARD DEPENDING ON THE VOTE TODAY. 
          I, UH, CHAIR HOOPER. 
          I, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE, UM, KIND OF SPLITTING OUR WHEELS ON THIS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I FEEL AS THOUGH, UH, BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND STAFF, WE CAN GET SOME GOOD INFORMATION. 
          THEY KNOW THE CONCERNS ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND LET THEM FIGURE THIS OUT. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          I, WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IS IF WE COULD HAVE THE NOW MODIFIED MOTION READ TO US ONE MORE TIME, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A VOTE. 
          JESSICA, I HAD ONE MORE NOTE ON THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, WHICH WAS THE EIGHTH ABOUT THE BENCHES JUST TO SOFTEN THAT LANGUAGE AND THAT WE ARE NOT SAYING IT CAN'T BE METAL AND THAT IT SHOULD HAVE A SHADE STRUCTURE, BUT RATHER THERE SHOULD BE SHADE. 
          SO IF THAT'S SHADE BY MOVING IT UNDER A COUPLE TREES, THAT'LL DO. 
          UM, SO I DIDN'T WANNA BE TOO PRESCRIPTIVE IN THE, LIKE, SHADE STRUCTURE NOTION. 
          SO IN RE IN RESPONSE TO, UH, COMMISSIONER MOSES' COMMENT, THE, THE LANGUAGE CURRENTLY READS AT THE TWO REQUIRED BENCH LOCATIONS INSTALLED NON-METAL BENCHES OR SHADE STRUCTURES OR TREE PLANTINGS FOR SHADE TO ADDRESS POTENTIAL SOLAR HEAT IMPACTS. 
          GREAT. 
          THAT'LL, THANK YOU. 
          NOW I'LL GO BACK TO THE MORE DIFFICULT ONE. 
          , UM, COMMISSION. 
          COULD I ADDRESS BRIEFLY THE ISSUE ABOUT WHAT GOES IN THE ROUNDABOUT? AND I THINK WE STILL NEED TO COME BACK TO THE MAINTENANCE CONDITION TOO, ANDREW, AND UNLESS WE'RE SET ON THAT, UM, I WAS JUST SPEAKING WITH, UH, GINA, AND HER COMMENT IS THAT, UM, CERTAINLY KENT 
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AND STAFF WILL HAVE LOOKED AT AND APPROVED WHAT'S RECOMMENDED TO YOU TONIGHT IN TERMS OF SIGHTLINE, IN TERMS OF UTILITIES, ET CETERA. 
          SO GOING BACK TO THE COMMENT ABOUT DANGERS OF DESIGN BY COMMITTEE, DEPARTURES FROM THAT MAY CREATE DIFFICULTIES OF THE KIND THAT YOU'VE IDENTIFIED LIKE MM-HMM,  LIKE SAFETY. 
          UM, SO, SO I DON'T KNOW IF, IF WE STILL WANNA HAVE A H HIERARCHY, BUT, BUT THOSE STAFF CONSIDERATIONS OF VIEW SAFETY, UM, AND OF, OF NOT INTERFERING WITH UTILITIES THAT'RE BURIED IN THE ROUNDABOUT, UM, NEED TO CONTINUE TO BE FACTORS THAT THEY HAVE AS THEY HAVE BEEN AND WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED. 
          AND I, MAYBE I'LL JUST IN REFERRING TO THE, SOME OF THE ROUNDABOUT CONSIDERATIONS AND THE FACT THAT AS PART OF THE FINAL MAP, THERE'LL NEED TO BE AN APPROVED PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT AGREEMENT. 
          SO IT CAN BE FINALED TO THE EXTENT THAT, UM, THOSE IMPROVEMENTS AREN'T DONE ALREADY. 
          AND I DOUBT THEY WILL BE. 
          THEY'RE USUALLY NOT. 
          AND THAT'S NOT, THAT'S JUST COMMON. 
          THAT'S NOT A FEATURE OF THIS PROJECT ALONE. 
          UM, SO, YOU KNOW, BUT, BUT FOR THIS PROJECT, THERE WOULDN'T BE THE ROUNDABOUT. 
          AND, AND, BUT FOR THAT, THERE WOULDN'T BE A MAINTENANCE OBLIGATION. 
          AND SO IT'S A FEATURE OF THE PROJECT. 
          AND WE HAVE ADDRESSED THAT IN DIFFERENT WAYS WITH OTHER PROJECTS LIKE, LIKE, UM, LANDSCAPE AND LIGHTING ASSESSMENT DISTRICTS LIKE, UM, COMMUNITY FACILITIES, UM, DISTRICTS. 
          UM, THE CONDITION THAT ANDREW READ COULD ALSO ADDRESS IT. 
          IT'S TRUE THAT THIS IS, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY RIGHT OF WAY NOW. 
          UM, THE IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE IN RIGHT OF WAY. 
          THAT WILL MEAN THE CITY WILL HAVE SOME, UM, DUTIES WITH RESPECT TO THAT AND ITS SAFETY AND IF THERE ARE PROBLEMS THERE, BUT THOSE WOULDN'T INHERENTLY, UM, DICTATE CITY MAINTENANCE. 
          SO, MM-HMM. 
          , IF WE DON'T PROVIDE FOR THAT, UM, THEN, THEN THAT'S REALLY AN ONGOING CITY SUBSIDY TO THE PROJECT. 
          SO, UM, HENCE, HENCE THE, THE STAFF SUGGESTION ABOUT ADDRESSING MAINTENANCE VIA THE, THE HOA. 
          UM, SO ANYWAY, IF, IF THERE ARE APPLICANT CONCERNS ABOUT THAT COMMISSIONER CONCERNS, WE CAN DISCUSS FURTHER. 
          BUT THE ONLY THING THAT'S GONNA COME BACK, I THINK, FOR APPROVAL REGARDING THE PROJECT IS GONNA BE THE FINAL MAP. 
          UM, AND, UH, A VEHICLE WW THAT, THAT I WOULD ANTICIPATE BEING PART OF THAT, I THINK MOST CERTAINLY IS GONNA BE THE IMPROVEMENT AGREEMENT. 
          UM, BUT USUALLY THAT FOCUSES ON CONSTRUCTION AND BONDING FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS AND MAKE SURE THEY GET DONE, ET CETERA. 
          UM, AND THAT'S WHY I BELIEVE WE WOULD BE WISE TO, UM, AT LEAST ADDRESS ALLOCATION OF RESPONSIBILITY AS RESPONSIBILITY FOR MAINTENANCE AT THIS TIME. 
          SO ANYWAY, IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS, HAPPY TO ADDRESS THOSE. 
          AND THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT BEFORE WE VOTE ON THIS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON THE MAINTENANCE ALLOCATION. 
          UH, BEFORE WE GO INTO THAT THOUGH, THE APPLICANT HAS PATIENTLY BEEN WAITING TO, I THINK, ADDRESS SOME OF THE THINGS WITH RAY. 
          SO I JUST WANNA INVITE HIM TO THE MIC BRIEFLY. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIR HOOPER. 
          UM, SO QUITE A FEW CONDITIONS HERE. 
          UM, AND I'M ASSUMING I HAVE THE, UM, ABILITY TO COMMENT, UH, FOR WILLING OR NOT, UM, UH, WILLING TO, UH, DO THESE CONDITIONS CORRECT. 
          SO, AND THEN TOO, I HAVE THE QUESTION OF, YOU KNOW, THESE CONDITIONS, ARE THEY AS EQUAL AS CONDITIONS FROM, I GUESS, I MEAN, YOU ARE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT AS FROM FROM COUNCIL, AS PART OF THE ACTUAL PROJECT, UH, CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, UH, LET'S SEE. 
          THE CITY ATTORNEY SHAKING HIS HEAD, SO, SO OBVIOUS. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IF I MAY ADD WHERE THERE'S A, UH, WHERE THERE'S A CONFLICT THOUGH, IN THE, IN THE EVENT, SAY THERE WAS A CONFLICT, THE, UM, TENTATIVE MAP OR THE MITIGATION MEASURE WOULD PREVAIL OVER THIS FAR, AT LEAST THAT'S HOW IT'S DRAFTED IN THIS CURRENT RESOLUTION. 
          SO WE HAVE A EXPRESSED PRECEDENT PROVISION IN THE RESOLUTION. 
          SO, UM, WE, WE, TO ANSWER STEVE'S QUESTION, YES, THESE ARE BINDING CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. 
          UM, IN THE EVENT THAT THERE'S A CONFLICT BETWEEN THESE SPARK CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AND THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED VESTING, TENTATIVE SUBDIVISION MAP CONDITIONS AND OR THOSE MITIGATION MEASURES, THOSE PREVIOUS ONES WOULD PREVAIL IT JUST IN CASE THERE WAS A CONFLICT BETWEEN, UH, THE TWO SETS. 
          AND, AND WE, AND I WAS JUST ASKING AND WE PROVIDE THAT EXPRESSLY AND OKAY. 
          IN THIS RESOLUTION. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          UM, BUT, BUT IDEALLY WE'D LIKE TO AVOID THAT. 
          SO IF, IF WE'RE AWARE OF IT, I'M NOT IN WHAT WE'RE SEEING TONIGHT, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO ADDRESS IT. 
          BUT I, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO CONFLICTS THAT I'M AWARE 
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OF, BUT JUST IN CASE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO, UM, AGAIN, LONG LIST OF, UH, CONDITIONS. 
          MM-HMM, , UM, I THINK, WHAT WAS THERE, 17 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? ? NO, THERE WAS ONLY 11. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          WE COULD INCREASE IT . 
          UM, SO, UH, A MAJORITY OF 'EM, UH, OBVIOUSLY RELATED TO TREE PLANTING AND, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT TYPE OF STUFF, UH, IS EASY. 
          UH, WE, WE CAN, UH, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT. 
          IT SOUNDS LIKE, UH, THE WAY THEY'RE BEING KIND OF WRITTEN, THERE IS SOME STAFF DISCRETION THERE THAT WE CAN WORK WITH STAFF ON, UM, A LOT OF THIS STUFF, RIGHT? THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          SO ANY CONDITION THAT SAYS CONSIDER IS, IS A RECOMMENDATION THAT, THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE THE APPLICANT TO RESPOND TO. 
          UM, BUT IT DOES PROVIDE FOR, UH, THE APPLICANT TO CONSIDER WHAT'S BEING REQUESTED TO RESPOND TO IT IN, UH, THE, THEIR PLAN SUBMITTAL. 
          UH, AND THEN SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL DURING REVIEW OF THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, UH, AS WELL AS THE BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATION. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, SO STARTING OFF WITH, WITH ALL THE TREE, UM, ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS AROUND THE ROUNDABOUT AND THAT TYPE OF STUFF, AGAIN, WE, WE HAVE NO PROBLEM LOOKING AT, AT EXPLORING THAT. 
          UM, I DO JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, UH, UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF TREES ALREADY PLANTED ON THE SITE ELSEWHERE. 
          AND IF IT'S POSSIBLE THAT WE CAN RELOCATE TREES THAT WE'VE GOT KIND OF PRO PROPOSED IN OTHER PLACES, KIND OF START SPREADING THEM AROUND, UM, YOU KNOW, TO, TO APPEASE, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE CONDITIONS, UM, INSTEAD OF JUST ADDING MORE TREES. 
          'CAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE ALREADY 60% OVER WHAT WE REQUIRED FOR OUR MITIGATION. 
          AND, UH, AGAIN, I'M, I'M, I'M SEEING THIS LONG LIST OF CONDITIONS AND DOLLAR SIGNS ARE FLYING, UH, ACROSS MY FACE HERE. 
          SO, UM, SO THAT'S ONE COMMENT. 
          THE OTHER, UM, CONDITION I, I, I WANTED TO MAYBE HAVE YOU REREAD WAS THE, THE, THE FENCING IN BETWEEN THE YARDS. 
          UM, AGAIN, THAT, THAT, THAT'S A, A CONDITION, UH, THAT IS PRETTY MUCH UNAVOIDABLE AND HAVING GAPS IN FENCE FENCES ISN'T REALLY FEASIBLE. 
          UM, SO I DON'T WANNA BE CONDITIONED THAT, UM, AND, AND MAYBE THAT CAN BE FURTHER DISCUSSED WITH, WITH THE COMMISSION, UH, IF THAT'S ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. 
          I UNDERSTAND THE LIGHT ISSUE. 
          UM, UM, BUT AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S A, A SCENARIO WHERE WE HAVE, UM, A VERY TIGHT SITE AND THE CONSTRAINTS ARE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, NOT IDEALISTIC, BUT, UM, WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE OTHER ISSUES, YOU KNOW, HAVING GAPS IN FENCES, YOU KNOW, WITH PETS AND STUFF. 
          IT'S JUST, I, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW YOU WOULD HONESTLY DO THAT. 
          SO, UM, SO IF YOU GUYS CAN RECONSIDER THAT ONE, UH, REGARDING THE BENCHES, AGAIN, THAT WAS, THAT WAS JUST SOMETHING WE THOUGHT WOULD BE KIND OF A COOL THING TO HAVE ALONG WINDSOR. 
          UH, IT'S NOT REQUIRED. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THE ONE TWO CLOSEST TO THE INTERSECTION TO A AND B, THERE ARE A COUPLE EXISTING LARGE OAK TREES THERE THAT ALREADY HAVE SHADE COVER AND STUFF, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT ONE'S, YOU KNOW, SELF, UM, MITIGATING. 
          UM, THE ONE THING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, OBVIOUSLY THE, THE METAL BENCHES WAS, WE THOUGHT WAS A GOOD QUALITY BENCH, AND, UH, IT'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE POWER COATED BRONZE, SO IT MIGHT NOT BE, MAYBE IT'S STILL HOT, MAYBE IT'S HOTTER, I DON'T KNOW. 
          BUT, UM, SO, YOU KNOW, CHANGING THE MATERIALS IS, IS NOT A, NOT A PROBLEM. 
          BUT, UM, UM, ADDING SHADE STRUCTURES IS A PROBLEM THAT'S, THAT'S JUST, IS WAY MORE CUS THAN WE WE EVER IMAGINED TO, TO, TO DO FOR THIS. 
          JUST WHAT WE, AGAIN, THOUGHT WAS A, A FEEL GOOD AMENITY. 
          UM, WE, WE CAN CERTAINLY, UH, ELIMINATE THE ONE FURTHER TO THE, TO THE EAST IF, IF THAT SATISFIES EVERYONE. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE OKAY WITH, I'M JUST GOING DOWN TO THE ONE BENCH, UH, WHERE THE EXISTING OAKS ARE, UM, ROUNDABOUT MAINTENANCE. 
          UM, I I, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY FOR A LONG TIME ON THAT AND, UM, I, I DON'T WANT TO BE CONDITIONED THAT HOA IS GONNA BE MAINTAINED MAINTAINING THAT. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO CONTINUE, UM, TALKING ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, I, I THINK I MENTIONED L AND L DISTRICT BEFORE, UM, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ONE AVAILABLE TO, TO BE, UH, INCLUDED IN, UM, THAT CAN BE AN OPTION, BUT, BUT I LIKE TO, TO HAVE THAT REWRITTEN SO THAT IT'S NOT JUST DEAD SET THAT WE ARE MAINTAINING THAT OR THE HOA IS MAINTAINING THAT. 
          SO, AND THEN, UH, THE ARC, UM, AGAIN, UM, COST IS, IT'S PROHIBITIVE. 
          UM, IF THE CITY'S WILLING TO, TO, UM, SUBSIDIZE THAT THROUGH IMPACT FEES OR WHATEVER, WE'D BE HAPPY TO PIECE PUT A PIECE OF ART OUT THERE. 
          UH, SO, UM, JUST JUST REMEMBER THAT THAT 
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ROUNDABOUT WAS NOT A MITIGATION MEASURE, IT WAS A PUBLIC BENEFIT THAT WE OFFERED TO THE PRO MM-HMM. 
          UH, TO, TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          YEP. 
          IT'S GONNA COST A LOT OF MONEY, UM, UM, MORE THAN A SIGNAL WOULD'VE, UM, BELIEVE IT OR NOT. 
          AND SO, UM, WE, WE HAD ALREADY, UH, COMMITTED TO COMMISSION, UM, THEY HAD ASKED FOR THE ENTRY MONUMENT OR THE ENTRY GATEWAY MONUMENTS. 
          WE, WE COMMITTED TO THAT. 
          UM, BUT, UM, AGAIN, TRY TO, TRY TO HELP US HERE, GUYS. 
          THIS IS, THIS IS, UM, AGAIN, NOT, NOT WHAT I WAS EXPECTING TONIGHT. 
          SO, UM, SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, ONE MOMENT. 
          DO YOU GUYS NEED A MOMENT TO, JUST BEFORE WE GET INTO DISCUSSION, I JUST WANNA KNOW IF THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE WE NEED TO BE CONSIDERING? SORRY FOR ALL THE WHISPERING. 
          UM, SO I, I, I THINK THE POINTS FROM THE APPLICANT ARE, ARE REASONABLE ONES, AND WE PROBABLY CAN GO BACK AND ADDRESS THOSE IN THE CONDITIONS THAT ANDREW'S PRESENTED BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT FOR PUBLIC ART. 
          WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT HOW, UM, FOR SAFETY REASONS, WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT GOES IN THE ROUNDABOUT AND WHAT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, BEFORE YOU ALREADY TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THOSE CONSIDERATIONS. 
          AND WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL TO CONTINUE TO ACCOMMODATE THEM. 
          I WAS ASKING ANDREW IF, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE, UM, PUBLIC ART FUNDS THAT PROVIDE FOR PUBLIC ART INSTALLATIONS, BUT I, WELL, THEY USED TO BE A HEALTHY BALANCE, I DON'T THINK IT IS ANYMORE. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S NOT A RESOURCE TO DO THAT. 
          UM, AND, AND, UM, IT'S, IT'S, UM, THAT WOULD SUGGEST THAT, THAT THERE'S NOT REALLY A BASIS FOR, FOR, FOR, UM, FOR SUPPORTING THAT, ESPECIALLY IN VIEW OF WHAT SEEMS TO BE A PREFERENCE FOR, FOR TREASON LANDSCAPING ANYWAY. 
          AND THE, AND THE LIMITED SIZE CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE HAVE. 
          UM, WHAT ELSE? THE, UM, ONE THING THAT, IT'S, IT'S A NICE HAPPENSTANCE THAT ONE OF THE BENCH LOCATIONS ALREADY HAS SHADE COVER ANYWAY. 
          UM, AS THE APPLICANT MENTIONED, IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO JUST GO WITH ONE BENCH OR IF THERE'S ANOTHER LOCATION WITH SHADE COVER THAT LENDS ITSELF TO A BENCH, MAYBE A RELOCATION. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, UM, IF THAT'S AN OPTION. 
          UM, JUST BASED ON THE EXISTING DESIGN. 
          UM, IN TERMS OF THE MAINTENANCE, I THINK, UH, FOR THE, FOR THE ROUNDABOUT, UM, I THINK WE CAN ADJUST THAT CONDITION. 
          SO IT SAYS THAT WHEN THE IMPROVEMENT AGREEMENT COMES BACK, IT WILL HAVE, UM, UM, IT'LL PROVIDE IN A WAY ACCEPTABLE TO THE CITY FOR, UM, ONGOING MAINTENANCE OF THE ROUNDABOUT, WHICH COULD BE ONE OF THOSE VEHICLES WE DISCUSSED. 
          AND I THINK THE THING THAT WE'LL WANNA BE DISCUSSING BETWEEN STAFF AND THE APPLICANT IS, YOU KNOW, BY THE, SOMETIMES BY THE TIME YOU CREATE A-A-C-F-D OR SOMETHING, YOU COULD HAVE FUNDED A, A LITTLE MAINTENANCE STRIP IN PERPETUITY 'CAUSE THE CONSULTANT COSTS. 
          BUT, UM, AND I, I AM, UM, THE APPLICANT IS SUPER AWARE. 
          I'M ACTUALLY SUPER AWARE BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT WHEN THIS PROJECT FIRST CAME FORWARD, IT WAS UNDER THE 1987 GENERAL PLAN, UM, THAT THERE'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF, A LOT OF HISTORY, A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY, UM, AND CREATIVE PROBLEM SOLVING TO, TO RE REALIZE THE PUBLIC BENEFITS AND, AND A FEASIBLE PROJECT THAT'S BEFORE YOU NOW AND HAS BEEN RECEIVING ITS ENTITLEMENTS NOW. 
          SO, UM, SO I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S LOST ON ANY OF US. 
          SO ANYWAY, THAT'S, UH, DID I MISS ANYTHING IN TERMS OF THE, UM, AT LEAST THE CONCEPT? SO WE MIGHT NEED TO JUST REVISIT YOUR INVENTORY OF CONDITIONS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ON TRACK IN TERMS OF WHAT YEAH. 
          WHAT THE APPLICANT'S. 
          SO ON THAT FRONT, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO, BECAUSE I WANT TO AVOID ANOTHER GENERAL ROUND OF SOUP DISCUSSION, AND THIS HAS GONE FAR AFIELD FROM WHERE I THINK IT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO, FRANKLY. 
          WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH EACH LIST, EACH ITEM OF CONSIDERATION. 
          BOY, WE'LL LOOK AT THE COMMISSION IF THEY HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR FEEDBACKS ON EACH ITEM. 
          WE'LL ADDRESS THE CONCERNS RAISED BY THE APPLICANT AND OR ADDRESS WHATEVER NEW LANGUAGE HAS HAD TO GO IN SINCE THEN. 
          THEN WE'LL CAP THIS AND WE'LL HAVE A VOTE. 
          AND THAT WILL BE THE END OF THIS ITEM. 
          [02:30:02]
GREAT. 
          THANKS. 
          ONLY BECAUSE HE WANTS TO WITHDRAW ONE. 
          YES. 
          WELL, ON THE DEFENSE CONSIDERATION, AND MAYBE I DIDN'T QUALIFY THAT EFFECTIVELY, I DIDN'T INTEND THAT TO BE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL. 
          I WANTED TO RELAY THAT TO THE APPLICANT, SO THAT ONE I THINK WE CAN REMOVE. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. 
          SO, UH, ITEM NUMBER ONE, MODIFY RESOLUTION, REFERENCE TO JUNE 25TH, 2023 TO READ JUNE 25TH, 2024. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, CONDITION OF APPROVAL 2020 OR SORRY, CONDITION OF APPROVAL 22. 
          ADD DARK SKY, DARK SKY COMPLIANT TO THIS CONDITION OF APPROVAL. 
          GREAT, THANK YOU. 
          UH, CONDITION OF APPROVAL 24. 
          ADD AN INTEGRATED PEST MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT PROVIDES FOR ZERO USE OF CHEMICAL PESTICIDES, HERBICIDES, FERTILIZERS, OR OTHER SYNTHETIC CHEMICALS SHALL BE INCLUDED WITH THE LANDSCAPING PLAN AND IMPLEMENTED. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, ADD A CONDITION OF APPROVAL IF APPROPRIATE. 
          CONSIDER HOW ROUNDABOUT TREE PLANTINGS CAN ENHANCE THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE ROUNDABOUT AND RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AT THE CORE OF THE PROJECT, WHILE PRIORITIZING ACCESS TO UTILITIES IN THE FINAL DESIGN APPROVED BY STAFF UTILIZE OF ORREAL BEST PRACTICES TO REDUCE CONFLICTS BETWEEN TREES AND UTILITIES. 
          GREAT. 
          UH, THE NEXT, UM, AND THIS WAS A, A, I THINK A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT MODIFICATION THAT SEEKS TO ADDRESS THE TREE PLANTING VERSUS PUBLIC ART QUESTION. 
          UM, ANY ROUNDABOUT DESIGN APPROVED BY CITY STAFF SHALL PRIORITIZE SAFETY SIGHTLINES AND UNDERGROUND UTILITIES. 
          INSTALLATION OF PUBLIC ART AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO TREE PLANTING IS ALLOWED SUBJECT TO CITY STAFF APPROVAL. 
          UH, UM, IT, IT SEEMS REASONABLE, BUT CAN WE CLARIFY THAT THE COST OF THE ART WOULD BE COMING FROM THE CITY IN THAT SCENARIO? CLARIFY THAT THE CITY WOULD PAY FOR THE PUBLIC ART OR THAT, I MEAN, WE'RE, BECAUSE IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC ART, I ASSUME THE ROUND BASED ON WHAT WE HEARD, I ASSUME THE ROUNDABOUTS OFF THE TABLE IF WE'RE FORCING THEM TO PAY FOR ART. 
          AM I, AM I WRONG? I I'M NOT REALLY WANTING, I MEAN, I JUST RATHER HAVE STAFF LOOK AT THIS TO MAKE SURE THIS IS THE SAFEST. 
          UM, AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT, WHERE I'M AT WITH THIS. 
          IS IT A TREE? IS IT WHATEVER IT IS, BUT I FEEL LIKE THERE NEEDS TO BE HEIGHT SOMEWHERE WITHIN THAT ROUNDABOUT. 
          AND IF IT'S THE TREES, THAT'S FINE. 
          I JUST, SAFETY IS MY NUMBER ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          I WAS JUST GONNA ASK IF THE CITY PAID FOR IT, ARE THERE OTHER AVENUES BY WHICH LATER ART PROJECTS COULD BE PROPOSED THROUGH THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE OR SMALL ART PROJECTS, OR IS THAT NOT FEASIBLE AND WE SHOULD MAKE THIS DETERMINATION NOW? WHAT WOULD BE, WELL, THE GO AHEAD. 
          IT WOULD DEPEND ON WHAT WE SET UP, WHAT WE END UP SITTING UP FOR THE MAINTENANCE IN PART. 
          AND WHAT'S NICE ABOUT ANDREW'S LANGUAGE IS IT'S THAT IT IS ALLOWED MEANING NOT REQUIRED. 
          GOT IT. 
          AND SO THAT WOULD BE AN OPTION FOR THE APPLICANT IF L IF FEES DON'T WORK. 
          BUT THE PROBLEM IS, I, IT'S JUST HARD FOR ME TO CONCEIVE OF HOW ANY KIND OF A DECENT PUBLIC ART PROJECT RIGHT. 
          COULD MEET THESE REQUIREMENTS AND BE LESS THAN TREES IN TERMS OF COST. 
          I, I THINK THAT'S, SO I, I THINK WE'RE HARD PRESSED TO ADDRESS PUBLIC ART ADEQUATELY FOR PURPOSES OF THIS CONDITION IN THE, OKAY. 
          ROGER, THE QUESTION IS, IS A RUNABOUT A REQ? IS IT WARRANTED BY TRAFFIC FLOW? IS IT IMPORTANT FOR TRAFFIC? IS IT WARRANTED BY TR FOR TRAFFIC FLOW? SO, SO LIKE A SIGNAL IS WARRANTED? WE ARE WELL PAST THAT. 
          WE ARE PAST DISCUSSION DISCUSSION, ROGER. 
          UM, AND IT WOULDN'T BE PROPOSED NOW AND PART OF THE PROJECT IF IT WEREN'T. 
          SO I THINK IT'D BE GOOD TO BRACKET THAT IF WE COULD. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, WHY DON'T WE, IF IT WORKS WITH THE REST OF THE COMMISSION, WE JUST LEAVE THE LANGUAGE OF THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE THE SAME. 
          AND SINCE IT'S NOT ADVOCATING OR REQUIRING, IT'S JUST IF IT HAPPENS TO WORK OUT, GREAT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND IT IS AN IMPORTANT GATEWAY LOCATION. 
          SO SAY PERHAPS SEVEN YEARS FROM NOW, THE, THE CITY ACQUIRES A SCULPTURE AND IS LOOKING FOR THAT HIGHLY PROMINENT GATEWAY LOCATION. 
          THE, THE CITY THROUGH THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE COULD PROPOSE TO INSTALL ARTWORK THERE. 
          SURE. 
          UM, AS ITS OWN INITIATIVE. 
          I, I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          I DON'T THINK WE'RE JUST CLOSING THE DOOR, WE'RE JUST MOVING ON TO MAKE NO RIGHT WITH THIS PROJECT AND GETTING A ROUNDABOUT AND MAKING IT SAFER SO WE'RE NOT CLOSING ANY DOORS FOR THE FUTURE. 
          [02:35:01]
THAT'S CORRECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          UH, THE NEXT AD WOULD BE ILLUMINATE PETALUMA SIGNAGE APPROVED FOR INSTALLATION IN THE ROUNDABOUT OUT, UH, THE NEXT CONSIDER HOW TREE AND LANDSCAPE PLANTINGS AT THE EDGES OF ROUNDABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE CAN BE DESIGNED TO INTEGRATE THE ROUNDABOUT INTO ITS SURROUNDINGS. 
          SURE. 
          MM-HMM,  WELL, THAT'S FINE, BUT I THINK IT'S OUTSIDE KIND OF THE SCOPE, BUT I THINK IT'S FINE. 
          , I MEAN, I'M A LITTLE UNCLEAR OF WHAT, THIS IS ANOTHER CASE WE'RE REALLY ASKING. 
          RIGHT. 
          THE, THE WORD CONSIDER IS HELPFUL BECAUSE IT MEANS THAT, AGAIN, THAT'S FOR THE APPLICANT TO SAY, WELL, WE CAN'T REALLY DO IT. 
          OH, HERE'S HOW WE COULD DO IT, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA STAND IN THE WAY OF THEIR PROCEEDING. 
          OKAY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND IN TERMS OF THE SAFETY AND SIGHT LINES FOR THE ROUNDABOUT, THAT WOULD BE A CONVERSATION BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND PUBLIC WORKS? CORRECT? I CAN, ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS WILL BE SUBJECT TO SAFETY CONSIDERATION AND, UM, UTILITIES INSTALLATION. 
          UM, SO, AND THAT'S ALREADY KIND OF BAKED INTO THE SURE CONDITIONS THAT ANDREW ALREADY READ. 
          AND, AND IF I MIGHT ADD JUST A QUICK CLARIFICATION, THERE'S, THERE ARE REQUIRED SUBSEQUENT APPROVALS OF A PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS PLAN, WHICH IS A PERMIT ADMINISTERED BY THE, THE PUBLIC, THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS AND UTILITIES. 
          AND THAT IS TIED TO THE FINAL MAP. 
          SO YES, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE FINAL REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY THE CITY ENGINEER IN REGARDS TO SAFETY SITE LINES, ET CETERA. 
          UM, MEETING FEDERAL AND STATE, UM, ENGINEERING DESIGN, UH, MANUALS. 
          YES. 
          AND THOSE UTILITY THINGS TOO. 
          YEP. 
          YOU JUST READ THAT ONE ONE MORE TIME FOR US, ANDREW. 
          UH, ADDED CONDITION OF APPROVAL, CONSIDER HOW TREE AND LANDSCAPE PLANTINGS AT THE EDGES OF ROUNDABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE CAN BE DESIGNED TO INTEGRATE THE ROUNDABOUT INTO ITS SURROUNDINGS. 
          AND WHAT I LIKE IS YOU SAY LANDSCAPE, NOT JUST TREES. 
          SO IT LEAVES SOME OPTIONS. 
          CORRECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          GREAT. 
          UH, NEXT ADDITIONAL CONDITION OF APPROVAL. 
          CONSIDER SUBSTITUTING ANOTHER TREE SPECIES FOR THE CAMP FREE TREE SPECIES PROPOSED ALONG WINDSOR DRIVE, INTEGRATE WESTERN SYCAMORE SPECIES INTO TREE PLANTING PALETTE, ESPECIALLY AT ROUNDABOUT. 
          DOES THE CONSIDER CARRY OVER TO THE WESTERN SYCAMORE INTEGRATE? WELL, IT IS. 
          I I, I WOULD, THAT'S, THAT'S THE INTENTION OF IT, TO INTEGRATE THE WESTERN SYCAMORE SPECIES INTO THE ENTIRE TREE PLANTING PALETTE. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT THE CONSIDER AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SENTENCE APPLIES ACROSS BOTH DIRECTIONS? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, I, I'D AGREE WITH THAT. 
          I WOULD ALMOST SAY YOU CAN LEAVE IT OFF THE ROUND. 
          I'M KIND OF SICK OF THE ROUNDABOUT, BUT WE CAN LEAVE IT OFF FOCUSING ON THE ROUNDABOUT AND JUST TO IMPLEMENT IT ACROSS THE SITE. 
          LEAVE THAT TO THE DISCRETION OF THE, THE APPLICANT. 
          PERFECT. 
          I WOULD, I, I JUST DELETED, ESPECIALLY AT ROUNDABOUT. 
          OKAY. 
          NEXT, ADD A CONDITION OF APPROVAL. 
          CONSIDER TREE LOCATIONS IN RELATIONSHIP TO RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE SO THAT LARGER TREES CAN BE PLANTED. 
          UH, GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, THE NEXT ADDITIONAL CONDITION OF APPROVAL SHOULD PROPOSED BENCHES BE INSTALLED, CONSIDER NON-METAL BENCHES OR IDENTIFY LOCATIONS THAT WOULD BENEFIT FROM TREE TREE SHADE IN ORDER TO ADDRESS POTENTIAL FOR SOLAR HEAT IMPACTS. 
          UM, IF THE TREES ARE UNDER, I MEAN, IF THE, IF THE BENCH IS UNDER A TREE, THEN I, I WOULD PREFER TO GO WITH THE LONGEVITY OF THE BENCH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , WHICH WOULD BE THE METAL. 
          AND WHEN I WAS TALKING, I, I'M NOT REALLY INTERESTED IN BUILDING A SHADE STRUCTURE. 
          I JUST LOOKING AT TREES AS THE SHADE STRUCTURE. 
          SO I THINK JUST TWO BENCHES UNDER TREES, JUST SO PEOPLE CAN SIT IF, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S APPROPRIATE PLACES AND UNDER EXISTING TREES. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE'RE NOT ASKING THEM TO BUILD A BUS, BUS OVERHANG OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          YEAH, CORRECT. 
          NOR DO WE WANT 'EM TO CUT A BENCH. 
          YEAH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO, SO I FEEL LIKE DURING STAFF REVIEW WE WOULD BE ABLE TO REVIEW WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE GOALS OF THE COMMISSION AND, AND, UM, RESOLVE ANY CON POTENTIAL FOR CONFLICT. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IN THE WAY IT'S WORDED, JUST TO CONFIRM, AND I KNOW WE'VE GONE WAY TOO MUCH INTO THIS BENCH, BUT JUST TO CONFIRM, I'D RATHER HAVE AN UNCHAINED BENCH THAN NO BENCH. 
          OKAY, COOL. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          I AGREE. 
          I AGREE WITH THAT. 
          AGREE WITH THAT. 
          I AGREE WITH THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I'M SURE THE APPLICANT UNDERSTANDS THAT AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, AND THEN THE, UH, OF COURSE, UM, IT WAS AGREED UPON TO REMOVE THE ADDED CONDITION OF APPROVAL ABOUT A DIFFERENT FENCE DESIGN BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL. 
          SO WE'LL DELETE THAT. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, UM, PURSUANT TO THE DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, 
          [02:40:01]
THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE OF THE ROUNDABOUT, UM, YEAH. 
          UH, SIMPLIFIED THAT CONDITION TO JUST AN ADDED CONDITION OF APPROVAL, THE IMPROVEMENT AGREEMENT WILL PROVIDE FOR ONGOING LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE OF THE ROUNDABOUT IN A WAY ACCESSIBLE TO THE CITY. 
          ACCEPTABLE. 
          SORRY. 
          SO , LEMME TRY THAT AGAIN. 
          THE IMPROVEMENT AGREEMENT WILL PROVIDE FOR ONGOING LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE OF THE ROUNDABOUT IN A WAY ACCEPTABLE TO THE CITY. 
          JUST FOR CLARIFICATION. 
          SO IT, IT'S JUST THE LANDSCAPING, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ANY OF THE UNDERGROUND IF SOMETHING GOES WRONG, THAT IS WITH THE CITY, SO THERE'S SEPARATION, CORRECT. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          GREAT. 
          IS THAT EVERYTHING? SO, CHAIR BACK TO YOU. 
          IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, UH, MAKE A CALL FOR A MOTION. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO CALL FOR A MOTION. 
          LOOKS LIKE WE'VE LANDED THIS. 
          EVERYBODY I'LL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE ADDITIONS AND I'LL SECOND. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          SECOND. 
          ROGER HAS SECONDED. 
          IF WE COULD GET A ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE. 
          COMMISSIONER MOSES? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER MCFARLAND? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER KUSON? YES. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON. 
          YES. 
          CHAIR HOOPER? YES. 
          MOTION IS CARRIED. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          THANK YOU EVERYBODY. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. 
          WE'VE, WE'VE GOTTEN THROUGH THIS NOW WE'RE GONNA TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK BEFORE WE GO TO THE NEXT ITEM. 
          OKAY. 
          EVERYBODY. 
          AND FOR ANYBODY WHO'S WATCHING ON YOUTUBE, THE CROWD IS TOTALLY THE SAME SIZE AS BEFORE. 
          UH, . 
          THE LARGEST , YEAH, IT'S JUST, EVERYONE'S FILLED ALL, ALL TWO SEATS. 
          UM, , WE'RE NOW GOING TO MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS A, WE'RE ACTUALLY A SERIES OF ITEMS ON GENERAL PLAN FRAMEWORKS. 
          AND FOR THIS FIRST ONE, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT ARTS AND CULTURE WITH THAT. 
          PERFECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WITH THAT, I WILL LET STAFF TAKE IT AWAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          UM, CHAIR, HOOPER AND COMMISSIONERS. 
          UM, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US BACK AGAIN. 
          SEEMS LIKE WE ARE, WE'RE OR REGULAR APPEARANCE THESE DAYS. 
          UM, SO THIS EVENING WE HAVE THREE FRAMEWORKS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT. 
          ARTS, CULTURE AND CREATIVITY AND TRANSPORTATION AND PARKS AND RECREATION, ALTHOUGH I THINK THE ORDER MIGHT BE RECREATION, PARKS AND RECREATION, AND THEN TRANSPORTATION. 
          UM, SO THIS IS SHOWING JUST HOW MUCH WE HAVE BEEN BEFORE YOU OVER THE PAST, UM, MONTH AND THE REMAINING MONTH AHEAD OF US. 
          UM, WE'VE GOTTEN THROUGH A LOT OF THE FRAMEWORKS AND, UM, HAVE BEEN HEARING FROM THE AD HOC GROUPS AS WELL, UM, ON MANY OF THESE FRAMEWORKS WHERE THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID A BIT OF A DEEP DIVE, UM, WITH THE AD HOC GROUPS. 
          UM, SO AS I MENTIONED THIS EVENING, WE'RE GONNA START WITH ARTS, CULTURE AND CREATIVITY. 
          THIS IS A FRAMEWORK THAT WAS NOT ASSIGNED TO AN AD HOC, AND THAT WAS BECAUSE THE REAL, REALLY THE LEAD REVIEWER ON THIS WAS YOUR PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE. 
          SO THEY DID A DEEP DIVE. 
          WE HAVE COMMENTS FROM THEM. 
          AND, UM, THIS WAS ONE TO KIND OF COME BACK THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT ASSUMING, UM, SOME DEFERENCE TO THAT LEAD REVIEWING C, CB, YOUR PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE. 
          UM, THE OTHER TWO THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT, TRANSPORTATION AND PARKS AND RECREATION WERE BOTH THINGS THAT OTHER CCBS DID REVIEW BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF OVERLAP WITH THOSE TOPICS, BUT ALSO WERE ASSIGNED TO PLANNING COMMISSION AD HOCS BECAUSE THEY HAVE SO MUCH TO DO WITH THE PURVIEW OF THIS COMMISSION AND THE PROJECTS YOU LOOK AT. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          UM, SO OUR MEETING OVERVIEW IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THIS SLIDE WE'RE GONNA TAKE, UM, ARTS, UM, CULTURE AND CREATIVITY AND REALLY DO, DO THAT ONE, WRAP IT UP SINCE IT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER TWO. 
          WE'LL TAKE A PRESENTATION FROM OUR CONSULTANT TEAM, CLARIFYING QUESTIONS, PUBLIC COMMENT, AND ANY COMMENTS THAT THE COMMISSION HAS, UM, TO CLOSE THAT ITEM UP. 
          THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND WE'LL DO, UM, CONSULTANT PRESENTATIONS ON TRANSPORTATION AND PARKS AND REC, FOLLOWED BY THE AD HOC PRESENTATIONS ON PARKS AND REC CLARIFYING QUESTIONS, PUBLIC COMMENT, AND THEN ANY FOLLOW UP. 
          SO NEXT SLIDE. 
          UM, AND I THINK THIS IS WHEN I HAND IT OVER TO RON. 
          UM, SO HELLO RON. 
          WELCOME. 
          THANK YOU FOR HANGING IN THERE THIS 
          [02:45:01]
EVENING. 
          AND RON WILL DO A FEW SLIDES AND THEN INTRODUCE, UM, THE TECHNICAL EXPERT SUB-CONSULTANTS THAT I'LL BE PRESENTING. 
          YES, GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. 
          UM, GOTTA REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR ENDURANCE. 
          UM, UH, APPRECIATE ALL THE TIME AND EFFORT YOU'VE ALREADY PUT INTO A, A MEATY, UH, AGENDA ITEM THIS EVENING. 
          THANK YOU FOR HANGING AROUND AND CONTINUING OUR SERIES OF DISCUSSIONS FOCUSED ON THE GENERAL PLAN PUBLIC DRAFT POLICY FRAMEWORKS. 
          UM, YOU'VE SEEN THIS, UH, BEFORE, SO I'LL GO THROUGH THIS REALLY QUICKLY. 
          UM, WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE DEEP DIVES INTO THESE FRAMEWORKS. 
          UM, WE VERY MUCH WANT YOUR COMMENTS IN WRITING. 
          AND ONE THING I JUST DID WANNA CONFIRM, WE HAVE THE SLIDE DECKS THAT YOU'VE BEEN PRESENTING, UH, THE AD HOC, UH, GROUPS HAVE BEEN PRESENTING. 
          AND JUST WANNA CONFIRM IF THERE'S ANY OTHER WRITTEN COMMENT, UM, EITHER FROM THE AD HOC GROUPS OR INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS THAT WE GET THOSE ASAP. 
          WE KNOW THAT WE MAY NOT GET THE PRESENTATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THE MEETING ON JULY 9TH UNTIL THAT NIGHT. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          BUT OTHERWISE, WE, WE REALLY DO NEED YOUR WORK IN, IN WRITTEN FORM AS BEST WE CAN SO THAT WE'RE SURE TO INCORPORATE ALL YOUR COMMENTS. 
          WE, OF COURSE, ARE MAKING NOTE OF ALL YOUR VERBAL COMMENTS DURING THESE MEETINGS AS WELL, BUT IF THERE IS ANY SUMMARY OF FEEDBACK ON FRAMEWORKS IN WRITTEN FORM, EITHER AS SLIDE DECKS OR OTHERWISE, PLEASE MAKE SURE THEY MAKE THEIR WAY TO THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE TEAM. 
          UH, YOU'VE SEEN THIS SLIDE BEFORE ABOUT THE FORMS WE INVITE YOU TO USE. 
          THERE'S ALSO THE OPPORTUNITY AS INDIVIDUALS TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON FRAMEWORKS THROUGH THE ONLINE PORTAL. 
          UM, AND FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING, UM, HERE'S A SUMMARY OF SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO EACH FRAMEWORK. 
          THERE ARE A COUPLE RELATED TO ARTS CULTURE AND CREATIVITY, A COUPLE RELATED TO TRANS TRANSPORTATION. 
          AND THEN I THINK YOU'VE SEEN THAT QUESTION WE HAVE ABOUT TREES BEFORE. 
          AND IF YOU'VE ALREADY ADDRESSED THIS, UM, IN THE CONTEXT OF OTHER FRAMEWORKS, THAT'S FINE. 
          BUT IF YOU WANNA ADD ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS RELATED TO WHERE URBAN FORESTRY AND TREES REALLY SHOULD, SHOULD LAND WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF LARGER GENERAL PLAN, WE'D APPRECIATE THAT FEEDBACK. 
          SO AT THIS POINT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO DAVID, WHO'S GONNA TALK YOU THROUGH THE ARTS CULTURE AND CREATIVITY POLICY FRAMEWORK. 
          THANK YOU RON. 
          AND GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. 
          CAN I GET SOMEBODY TO WAVE YOUR HAND? MAKE SURE YOU CAN HEAR ME OKAY IN THE ROOM. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          THANK YOU, , YOU DO SHOW AN IMPRESSIVE, UH, ATTENTION TO DETAIL AND, UM, STAMINA IN TONIGHT'S MEETING. 
          I THINK WE'RE ALL, THOSE OF US IN THE, UH, VIRTUAL AUDIENCE ARE ALL VERY IMPRESSED. 
          SO I AM DAVID PLATNER SAUNDERS, I'M REPRESENTING THE ARTS CULTURE AND CREATIVITY, UH, TEAM AS A PART OF THE OVERALL GENERAL PLAN UPDATE TEAM. 
          SO LET'S, UH, GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          RON, LET'S START WITH THE FACT THAT PETALUMA IS A CREATIVE COMMUNITY. 
          DESCRIBING THE CHARACTER OF A PLACE CAN BE QUITE ELUSIVE, BUT RESIDENTS PARTICIPATING IN THE GENERAL PLAN IDENTIFIED ARTS AND CREATIVITY MORE BROADLY AS AN ESSENTIAL FEATURE OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          IN FACT, WE STARTED OUT CALLING THIS THE ARTS AND CULTURE ELEMENT AND IT BECAME THE ARTS CULTURE AND CREATIVITY ELEMENT BASED ON DISCUSSIONS SUCH AS THAT ONE. 
          AND AS YOU OF COURSE ARE ALL WELL AWARE, PETALUMA HAS A VITAL ARTS AND MUSIC SCENE AND A STRONG PRESENCE OF ESTABLISHED AS WELL AS EMERGING ARTISTS, YOU KNOW, FINE ARTISTS, BUT ALSO MAKERS ARTISANS, AND A GREAT VARIETY OF OTHER CREATIVES. 
          SOME MORE CHARACTERISTICS. 
          YOU HAVE FEW LARGER NONPROFITS, SO YOUR ART SECTOR IS LESS INSTITUTIONAL IN NATURE AND MORE ABOUT INDIVIDUAL CREATIVES. 
          AND IN PETALUMA YOU HAVE, UH, OF COURSE MARQUEE ARTS EVENTS, BUT ALSO ARTS AND CULTURE ARE OFTEN INTEGRATED OR SUFFUSED INTO LARGER COMMUNITY EVENTS AND ACTIVITIES. 
          IT'S AN INTEGRATED, UM, EXPRESSION OF ARTS AND CULTURE. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          SO IN OUR EXISTING CONDITIONS WORK, WE CONDUCTED AN ARTS MARKET STUDY. 
          IT SHOWED VERY STRONG DEMAND FROM OUR MORE ARTS AND CULTURAL EVENTS AND ACTIVITIES. 
          NOW WE THINK OF ARTS PARTICIPATION AS INCLUDING FIRST WATCHING, YOU KNOW, ATTENDING PERFORMANCES, CONCERTS, FESTIVALS, AS WELL AS DOING MEANING SINGING IN A CHOIR, CRAFTING, TAKING GUITAR LESSONS. 
          DEMAND FOR ALL OF THE SPECTRUM OF, UH, ACTIVITY IS VERY STRONG AMONG RESIDENTS IN PETALUMA AND STILL QUITE STRONG IN THE SURROUNDING REGION WITHIN A 30 MINUTE DRIVE TIME. 
          AND WE WILL COME BACK TO THAT, UM, FINDING A LITTLE LATER IN THE PRESENTATION. 
          PETALUMA CITY GOVERNMENT HAS A DECADES LONG ROLE IN THE ARTS, BUT IT'S LARGELY BEEN FOCUSED ON PUBLIC ART THROUGH THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE AND SOME PARKS AND RECREATION PROGRAMMING. 
          AND NOW LOOKING AT THE MAP ON THIS SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE 
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THE, UH, MAP OF THE CURRENT PUBLIC ART COLLECTION SHOWING A STRONG CONCENTRATION OF ARTWORKS IN AND NEAR DOWNTOWN. 
          AGAIN, WE'LL COME BACK TO THIS FINDING A LITTLE LATER. 
          NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          NOW THIS MAP SHOWS A STARTLINGLY STRONG PRESENCE OF CREATIVE BUSINESSES IN PETALUMA. 
          THIS WAS A SURPRISE OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS REPORT. 
          THERE ARE MORE THAN 200 CREATIVE BUSINESSES RANGING FROM DESIGN FIRMS, ART STUDIOS, ARTS RETAIL, WINERIES, BREWERIES, RECORDING STUDIOS, AND MANY MORE. 
          THESE HELP ILLUSTRATE THE DIVERSE CHARACTER OF PETALUMA'S, CREATE CREATIVE IDENTITY, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THESE BUSINESSES ARE LOCATED THROUGHOUT ALL AREAS OF THE CITY, AND THEY REPRESENT FULLY 10% OF ALL EMPLOYMENT IN THE CITY. 
          THAT IS 10% OF ALL JOBS ARE CREATIVE JOBS. 
          THE SECTOR HAS BEEN GROWING SINCE 2018. 
          YOU KNOW, UH, PEOPLE IN OUR WORLD, OUR CONTEMPORARY WORLD DON'T DISTINGUISH AS MUCH ANYMORE BETWEEN NON-PROFIT AND FOR-PROFIT CREATIVITY. 
          YOU KNOW, WE GO TO THE MOVIES OR WE GO TO THE SYMPHONY. 
          UM, WE DON'T ALWAYS DISTINGUISH BETWEEN COMMERCIAL FINE ART, POPULAR ART, CULTURAL EXPRESSIONS. 
          THESE OFTEN EXIST SIDE BY SIDE IN OUR OWN INDIVIDUAL LIVES, WE GRAZE AMONG THEM. 
          AND SO THIS CREATIVE SECTOR REPRESENTED IN THIS MAP ENCOMPASSES ALL OF THESE CREATIVE EXPRESSIONS UNDER ONE ECONOMIC UMBRELLA. 
          NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          THIS SLIDE LISTS ALL THE ELEMENTS OF THE GENERAL PLAN VISION, HILLERS, AND GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT IMPLICATE ARTS AND CULTURE. 
          I WON'T READ THE BULLETS ONE BY ONE, BUT YOU CAN READILY SEE AGAIN THAT CREATIVITY IS SUFFUSED THROUGHOUT PETALUMA'S ASPIRATIONS AND ITS PRIORITIES. 
          NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          MOVING NOW TO THE GOALS OF THE POLICY FRAMEWORK. 
          THERE ARE SEVEN OVERARCHING GOALS THEY BUILD ON THE EXISTING ARTS FUNCTIONS OF THE CITY, BUT ALSO RE REFLECT VERY EXPANSIVE THINKING THAT WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY AND DEVELOPED WITH THE CONSULTING TEAM INTO AN AMBITIOUS SET OF FUTURE DIRECTIONS. 
          SO LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT EACH ONE. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO GOAL ONE IS ARTISTS IN CITY PROGRAMS AND PROCESSES. 
          THIS IS NOW A FAMILIAR SET OF STRATEGIES TO MANY OF US THAT IS USING ARTISTS MORE BROADLY TO DO OR TO IMPROVE THE WORK OF CITY GOVERNMENT. 
          POLICIES HERE INCLUDE INTEGRATING ARTS AND ARTISTS INTO CITY PROJECTS AND PROGRAMS, CREATING AN ARTIST IN RESIDENCY PROGRAM WITHIN CITY GOVERNMENT AND INCORPORATING CREATIVE PLACEMAKING MORE INTO AREA PLANNING. 
          NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          GOAL TWO, STRONG CITY ARTS AND CULTURE PROGRAMS. THIS SECTION REALLY NEEDS A BETTER NAME. 
          WHAT IT'S REALLY ABOUT IS GOVERNANCE AND FUNDING FOR ARTS AND CULTURE. 
          THE FIRST POLICY RECOMMENDS REEVALUATING THE ROLE OF THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE AND THE RECREATION, MUSIC AND ARTS COMMISSION TO BEST ALIGN WHERE THE CITY IS GOING TO BE GOING IN TERMS OF ARTS RIGHT NOW. 
          THERE'S SOME OVERLAP, UH, IN THEIR, UH, ROLES. 
          AND THERE'S A DESIRE NOT ONLY TO CONSOLIDATE OR CLARIFY, BUT ALSO TO EXPAND THE CITY'S ROLE IN ARTS AND CULTURE. 
          THE FUNDING POLICY RECOMMENDS EXPLORING BOTH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE FUNDING SOURCES FOR ARTS AND CULTURE AND FOR PUBLIC ART. 
          IT ALSO CALLS FOR EXPANDING THE CITY'S CURRENT PRACTICE OF DEVELOPING PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS. 
          THERE'S MUCH MORE DETAIL ON FUNDING. 
          I WOULD ADD IN THE RESOURCES SECTION, WHICH IS NOT PART OF YOUR CURRENT MATERIALS, BUT IS PART OF THE DRAFT OR WILL BE PART OF THE DRAFT ELEMENT. 
          SO, UH, GOAL THREE, A STRONG PUBLIC ART PROGRAM. 
          WE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR FROM THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE AND FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT PUBLIC ART IS, IS AN ESSENTIAL IN PETALUMA AND WORK IS NEEDED TO ENHANCE AND EXPAND THIS PROGRAM. 
          FIRST AND FOREMOST IS AN UPDATED PUBLIC ART MASTER PLAN. 
          ALSO, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE COLLECTION EXPANDED AND CONTINUE THE WORK OF THE COM THE COMMITTEE HAS DONE TO DIVERSIFY THE ARTIST'S COMMISSION, DIVERSIFY THE TYPES OF ART AND PLACEMENT IN MORE PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          GOAL FOUR, EQUITABLE AND ACCESSIBLE ARTS AND CULTURE. 
          THIS GOAL RECOGNIZES THE DESIRE FOR ARTS AND CULTURAL RESOURCES TO BE MORE EQUITABLY SHARED AND ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE IN THE CITY. 
          REGARDLESS OF BACKGROUND, IT CALLS FOR MORE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. 
          IN ARTS PROGRAMMING, THOSE WHO WILL BENEFIT SHOULD DEFINITELY BE A PART OF PLANNING WHAT THESE PROGRAMS ARE. 
          ALSO LIFTING UP THE ARTS AND CULTURE 
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OF THE LATINO COMMUNITY AND OTHER UNDER-RECOGNIZED GROUPS AND EXPANDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR YOUTH ARTS. 
          THIS GOAL ALSO SEES ART AS A BETTER WAY TO CONNECT THE EAST AND WEST SIDES OF THE CITY. 
          WE TALKED AT THE START OF THE PRESENTATION ABOUT PETALUMA'S VITAL ARTS COMMUNITY, AND THIS GOAL EMPHASIZES ARTISTS AND ARTS ORGANIZATIONS AS ESSENTIAL PARTNERS FOR THE FOR THE CITY IN EXPANDING ARTS AND CULTURE. 
          NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          GOAL FIVE, THRIVING CREATIVE BUSINESSES. 
          YOU KNOW, THE CREATIVE ECONOMY IS A STRONG CONTRIBUTOR TO THE OVERALL ECONOMY IN PETALUMA, AS IT IS IN MANY OTHER CITIES, PARTICULARLY IN CALIFORNIA. 
          BUT THIS SECTOR IS OFTEN NOT ACKNOWLEDGED AS SUCH, AND IT'S LARGELY UNPLANNED. 
          SO THIS GOAL RECOGNIZES THE CREATIVE ECONOMY AND PROVIDES TOOLS FOR PLANNING AND GROWTH. 
          CREATIVE BUSINESSES ARE MOSTLY SMALL BUSINESSES, SO THIS MEANS ADAPTING SMALL BUSINESS SUPPORTS FOR THE ARTISTS AND CREATIVES THAT RUN THEM. 
          GOAL SIX, REGIONAL CREATIVE CENTER. 
          THIS GOAL BUILDS TOWARDS PETALUMA AS A REGIONAL CENTER AND DESTINATION FOR ARTS AND CULTURE. 
          WE TALKED EARLIER IN THIS PRESENTATION ABOUT THE ARTS MARKET STUDY AND THE STRONG REGIONAL DEMAND FOR ARTS EVENTS AND ACTIVITIES. 
          PART OF THIS, UH, GOAL IS INTENTIONALLY BRANDING THE CITY AS A CREATIVE CENTER, INVITING AND DRAWING PEOPLE TO PETALUMA FOR ARTS AND CULTURE. 
          ANOTHER PART IS SUPPORTING AND SHOWCASING LOCAL ARTS AND CULTURE THROUGH AN EXPANSION OF EVENTS, PUBLIC ART AND AN ARTS RICH ENVIRONMENT. 
          YOU KNOW, ARTS INTEGRATED INTO EVERYDAY EXPERIENCE. 
          LASTLY, THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR AREAS OF THE CITY TO BECOME ARTS DISTRICTS. 
          THE CITY CAN HELP FACILITATE THIS, THESE DEVELOPMENTS AND CONNECT ARTS DISTRICTS WITH THE EXISTING STATEWIDE NETWORK OF CULTURAL DISTRICTS AND SUPPORT. 
          AND GOAL SEVEN, THE SUFFICIENT SUPPLY OF ARTS VENUES. 
          SO NO PLANNING CONVERSATION IN CALIFORNIA IS COMPLETE WITHOUT ACKNOWLEDGING AND ADDRESSING THE OMNIPRESENT NEED FOR AFFORDABLE SPACES. 
          THE CREATIVE SECTOR IN PETALUMA IS STRUGGLING WITH THE RISING COST OF REAL ESTATE AND RENT LIKE EVERYWHERE ELSE. 
          THESE POLICIES OFFER TOOLS TO MAKE AFFORDABLE SPACES MORE AVAILABLE TO ARTISTS, ARTS ORGANIZATIONS, CREATIVE BUSINESSES, EVENT PRODUCERS, EVERYONE. 
          IT ALSO CALLS FOR CITY LEADERSHIP AND FACILITATING THE DEVELOPMENT OF ARTISTS LIVE WORK. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          AND OUR LAST SLIDE IS FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE AT ITS MAY 20TH MEETING, WHICH HEATHER REFERRED TO. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE MAIN POINTS IN THIS COMMENTARY FROM BOTH COMMITTEE MEMBERS AS WELL AS MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. 
          THE COMMITTEE LIKED THE IDEA OF CREATING A COMBINED CULTURE AND CREATIVITY COMMISSION WITH A BROADER, YOU KNOW, AN EXPANDED ROLE BEYOND PUBLIC ART. 
          THEY WERE EXCITED ABOUT ART AS A TOOL TO BETTER CONNECT EAST AND WEST IN PETALUMA. 
          THEY SECONDED A NUMBER OF OTHER POLICIES THAT THEY LIKED AND EMPHASIZED THE NEED FOR GREATER YOUTH VOICE MORE ARTS AND SCHOOLS AND ADDRESSING SPECIFICALLY ARTISTS' NEEDS, INDIVIDUAL ARTISTS' NEEDS FOR AFFORDABLE LIVING AND WORKING SPACES. 
          AND WITH THAT, I WILL PASS THE PRESENTATION, I BELIEVE BACK TO RON. 
          AND IF I UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY EARLIER, WE'RE GONNA PAUSE AT THIS POINT FOR Q AND A PUBLIC COMMENT AND COMMISSIONER COMMENT. 
          OKAY, LET'S GET INTO COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS NOW. 
          UH, YES, COMMISSIONER X. 
          YEAH. 
          SOMETHING I'VE NOTICED THAT THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE, I KNOW THEY HAVE A SMALL ARTS FUND, UM, A PROJECT IN PARTICULAR FOR PUTNAM PLAZA COMES TO MIND WHERE BASICALLY A CITIZEN, UH, COALITION INITIATED A POTENTIAL ART PROJECT. 
          I DIDN'T SEE THAT CALL OUT SPECIFICALLY HERE, BUT IS THAT ENCOMPASSED IN GOALS AROUND, YOU KNOW, CLARIFYING THE ROLE OF THE PUBLIC ARTS COMMITTEE AND FINDING FUNDING SOURCES? DO WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE CAPTURED THAT? I, OH, SHALL I RESPOND NOW OR, SURE. 
          AND I CAN KICK IT OFF. 
          DAVID. 
          I, I THINK WE HAVE, WE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE OBVIOUSLY WANTING TO KEEP LOOKING FOR WAYS TO INCORPORATE PUBLIC ART AS PART OF OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S SO VALUED BY THE COMMUNITY, LOOKING FOR PARTNERSHIPS, LOOKING FOR FUNDING TO KEEP THOSE THINGS GOING. 
          AND THEN ON, THERE'S REGULATIONS ON THE BOOKS SUCH AS THE 1% FOR PUBLIC ART AND HAVING TO INCORPORATE PUBLIC ART INTO NON-RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS. 
          SO THAT'S MORE OF THE REGULATIONS. 
          UM, BUT I THINK THAT THE GOALS AND POLICIES IN THIS FRAMEWORK ARE SETTING, 
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YOU KNOW, MAINTAINING OR EVEN EXPANDING THAT DISCUSSION. 
          AND I'M DAVID, ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT? YEAH, I MEAN, WE, WE LOVE THE IDEA OF COMMUNITY INITIATED PROJECTS AND AS HEATHER SAID, THERE NEEDS TO BE A RIGOROUS PROCESS FOR BOTH FACILITATING THEM BUT ALSO, UH, GUIDING THEM. 
          AND WE WOULD IMAGINE THAT ANY EXPANSION OF THE EXISTING, YOU KNOW, FUNDS AND, AND PROCESSES FOR COMMUNITY INITIATED ARTWORKS, ART PROJECTS, ANY EXPANSION OF THAT WOULD BE ADDRESSED THROUGH THE PUBLIC ART MASTER PLAN THAT'S RECOMMENDED. 
          IT'S ONE OF THE . 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ON THE CONSULTING TEAM AND, AND WE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE AS WELL, THAT THE CITY CAN AND SHOULD KIND OF EXPAND ITS FOOTPRINT IN ARTS AND CULTURE. 
          AND THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THE KIND OF THING THAT COULD BE AUGMENTED OR ENHANCED WITH SOME MORE PLANNING AND AND RESOURCES. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, MY OTHER QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE PETALUMA MUSEUM AND THE PETALUMA ARTS CENTER. 
          IS IT, OR WAS THE GOAL NOT TO BE TOO SPECIFIC ABOUT THOSE ORGANIZATIONS? I WONDER IF IT'S WORTH INCLUDING REFERENCE PARTNERING WITH GROUPS LIKE, OR, OR I GUESS A 20 YEAR PLAN. 
          WE DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO REFERENCE, UH, EXISTING, BUT THEY ARE EXISTING KIND OF CENTERS OF GRAVITY FOR ARTS AND CULTURE. 
          AND DAVID, I BELIEVE WE HAVE A POLICY ABOUT PARTNERSHIPS. 
          DO WE NOT IN THE YES. 
          IN THE FRAMEWORK. 
          SO THERE'S SOMETHING MORE GENERAL THAT IN THAT WAS MEANT TO ENCOMPASS GROUPS LIKE THE PETALUMA ART CENTER AND OTHERS WITHOUT TRYING TO LIST EACH ONE. 
          WHEN YOU START LISTING OUT EACH ORGANIZATION, YOU'RE BOUND TO MISS ONE. 
          SO IS IT BETTER TO CALL THEM OUT OR TO SAY SOMETHING MORE BROADLY LIKE PARTNERING WITH COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS AROUND THE COMMON VALUE OF PUBLIC ART OR WHATEVER OUR, OUR POLICY SAYS. 
          SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS, JANICE. 
          UH, JUST, UM, SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ART, I KINDA LOOK AT PARKS ALSO AND JUST, UM, HOW STRUCTURES, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE BUILDING A PLAY STRUCTURE, IT'S MORE LIKE ART INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, THESE, UM, COLORED STRUCTURES. 
          UM, AND SO JUST, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE INCORPORATE, INCORPORATE ART IN ALL OF OUR, UM, OR JUST WITHIN OUR PARKS AND, UM, UH, WHEN WE'RE RE SO BASICALLY STRUCTURES AND HOW EVEN THE, THE LANDSCAPE DESIGN WOULD BE ART. 
          SO JUST WANNA ADD THAT INTO IT. 
          OKAY. 
          ROGER, UH, SOMEWHAT RELATED TO WHAT JANICE WAS TALKING ABOUT, I'D BE INTERESTED IN HOW WE TAKE SOME OF THE PUBLIC ART MONEY THAT A PROJECT 1%, I GUESS IS WHAT THEY, THEY THE FEE AND HAVE THEM USE THAT ON THE PROJECT. 
          UM, I'M THINKING OF, BECAUSE WE GET PRETTY MEDIOCRE ARCHITECTURE, UNLESS THERE'S SOME INCENTIVE TO SPEND SOME MONEY ON WINDOW TRIM OR BALCONY DESIGN OR FRONT DOOR ARTICULATION, IT'S, IT'D BE INTERESTING IF THERE'S A WAY OF ENCOURAGING SOME, A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY OF ART TO BE SPENT ON YOUR PROJECT TO MAKE IT MORE ARTFUL OR MORE DISTINGUISHING THROUGH ART AS OPPOSED TO HAVE IT GO OFF TO A ROUNDABOUT SOMEWHERE WHERE WE CAN FIND A ROUNDABOUT SOMEWHERE. 
          AND, AND THE WAY THAT OUR PUBLIC ART ORDINANCE READS, THERE IS A, UM, THERE IS A REQUIREMENT FOR 1% FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL. 
          UM, AND IT'S ACTUALLY ENCOURAGED TO BE ON SITE, BUT IT'S GET, THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN, IT GIVES THE DEVELOPER THE OPTION TO EITHER PAY THE IN LU FEE OR TO INCORPORATE ON SITE. 
          UM, SO WE DO HAVE SOME EXAMPLES OF IT INCORPORATED ON SITE, SUCH AS THE WHALES TAIL AT DEER CREEK VILLAGE IS ONE THAT I CAN THINK OF RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. 
          UM, WE HAVE SEEN A LOT OF OUR DEVELOPMENT MORE RECENTLY HAS BEEN A HUNDRED PERCENT RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS THERE IS NO PUBLIC ART REQUIREMENT PER OUR CODE FOR RESIDENTIAL. 
          UM, BUT THAT IS, IT IS IN THERE AS AN OPTION, BUT THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN, IT'S, IT'S REALLY THE OPTION IS UP TO THE, THE APPLICANT TO DO EITHER OR. 
          IF, I GUESS IF THE CITY HAD THEIR OPTION WITH, WHICH WAY WOULD THEY GO? WELL, I THINK THERE'S, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S A BLACK AND WHITE, UM, OF EITHER THIS 
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OR THAT. 
          UM, I THINK THERE'S TIMES WHEN WE'VE SEEN IT INCORPORATED AND KIND OF TO YOUR POINT, WHEN THERE'S A GATHERING SPACE AND YOU PUT SOMETHING INTERESTING TO PULL PEOPLE TO THAT SPACE OR TO TAKE, YOU KNOW, A, A WALKWAY AND HAVE WHIMSY AND INTEREST AS YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, WALKING THROUGH AN AREA OF A PROJECT. 
          I ALSO KNOW THAT THERE'S OFTENTIMES WE CAN TAKE THAT MONEY AND WE CAN PARTNER WITH OTHER, OTHER, UM, PUBLIC ART ORGANIZATIONS AND WE CAN DO THINGS LIKE THE MURAL ON THE SWIM CENTER OR THE BLACK LIVES MATTER MURAL OR SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE HAS SPEARHEADED THE FUNDS FOR THAT CAME FROM THAT 1% THAT WAS PAID INTO THE IN LU. 
          SO YOU GET, YOU GET GOOD BENEFITS BOTH AND THEY'VE DONE A GOOD JOB TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH THE DEVELOPERS, BUT ALSO WHEN THERE IS THAT IN L MONEY TO, TO UTILIZE IT FOR THE COMMUNITY, I GUESS I'M JUST LOOKING FOR WAYS TO IMPROVE VINYL WINDOWS, YOU KNOW, OR THE TERRACOTTA MULIAN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AS OPPOSED TO A WAY TO GET A LITTLE MORE RICHNESS IN A BUILDING DESIGN. 
          UM, SO THEY KIND OF CAPITALIZE ON WHAT THEY HAVE TO SPEND ANYWAY, BUT IT SPENT IN A CERTAIN, IN A CERTAIN, YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          JESSICA, I'LL HOLD FOR COMMENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I HAD A FEW QUESTIONS. 
          SO ON, UH, POLICY AC 1.1, UH, INTEGRATE ARTS INTO CITY PROJECTS. 
          THERE'S, UH, A WHOLE SECTION ABOUT, UH, THE THE DIFFERENT COMMUNITY PROJECTS THE CITY CAN PARTNER WITH IN VARIOUS EXAMPLES. 
          I WAS WONDERING, WOULD IT BE INAPPROPRIATE TO ADD AN ITEM THAT SPECIFICALLY CALLS OUT WORKING WITH LOCAL ARTISTS THAT ACTUALLY REPRESENT THE COMMUNITIES THE CITY'S TRYING TO UPLIFT? I WASN'T SURE IF THIS WAS GETTING TOO DETAILED FOR A, FOR A POLICY DOCUMENT LIKE THIS THAT ISN'T REALLY GETTING INTO THE WEEDS YET. 
          I'M NATURALLY LOOKING AT YOU, BUT I REALIZE I'M TALKING TO RON AND DAVID PROBABLY AS WELL. 
          YEAH, I MEAN, I WOULD, I WOULD KIND OF ASK DAVID VID IF HE HAS THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT CONCEPT. 
          I THINK IT'S A GREAT CONCEPT. 
          I THINK IT'S A WONDERFUL SUGGESTION AND WE WILL, UH, LOOK AND SEE IF IT BELONGS HERE OR PERHAPS IN ONE OF THE OTHER POLICIES. 
          BUT, UM, YEAH, AN EXAMPLE OF HOW THESE KINDS OF COMMENTS CAN REALLY, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, STRENGTHEN AND SHORE UP A FRAMEWORK. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, THE NEXT ONE, AND I HAVE, I HAVE ABOUT THREE QUESTIONS. 
          UM, IT GO, IT WAS UNDER, IT WAS STILL UNDER AC ONE OR ARTISTS AND CITY PROGRAMS AND PROCESS AC ONE OR POLICY AC DASH 1.4, INCORPORATING CREATIVE PLACEMAKING INTO AN AREA OF PLANNING. 
          WHAT WAS THE REASON AROUND, THERE'S THE SPECIFIC, UM, ACTION ITEM 1.4 0.2, WHICH SAYS, ACTIVATE PUBLIC SPACES IN DOWNTOWN WITH CREATIVE ACTIVITIES AND ELEMENTS TO ENCOURAGE DOWNTOWN VISITATION. 
          I THINK THAT'S GREAT. 
          I HAVE NO, NO CRITICISM OF THAT OR CHANGE OF THAT. 
          I WAS JUST WONDERING, I DIDN'T SEE ANY PLACE ELSE IN THIS, IN THIS DOCUMENT OR IN THIS PILLAR TO SAY ACTIVATION OF PUBLIC SPACES ACROSS THE CITY, AND I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THAT WAS A CHOICE THAT WAS MADE FOR SPECI SPECIFIC REASON OR IT'S JUST FOLKS WERE TALKING ABOUT DOWNTOWN. 
          SO THAT'S JUST HOW THE LANGUAGE GOT FRAMED. 
          UM, I THINK IT'S FOUND IN OTHER POLICIES, UH, AND ACTIONS, BUT, UM, AGAIN, REALLY APPRECIATE THE COMMENT AND WE'LL, WE'LL COMB THROUGH TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S CLEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I THINK THAT WAS A, A SIMILAR COMMENT WE RECEIVED FROM THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE IS GREAT, GREAT, YOU KNOW, IDEA, BUT LET'S EXPAND IT, YOU KNOW, EAST, WEST YEAH. 
          NOT JUST DOWNTOWN, LIKE SEE IT, SEE IT ACROSS THE CITY MORE. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M JUST GLAD TO KNOW THAT'LL BE, THAT'LL BE ADDRESSED. 
          AND THEN I REALLY LOVE THE WHOLE SEGMENT ON THRIVING CREATIVE BUSINESSES AND REALLY GETTING INTO THE WEEDS ON HOW WE LIKE GROW THAT AS A CITY, UH, UNDER ENABLING, I THINK IT WAS AC 5.2 OR ENABLING CREATIVE BUSINESSES. 
          UH, I WAS WONDERING, THIS IS PROBABLY GETTING TOO SPECIFIC, BUT WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION OF HOW WE ADD EITHER INTO THIS FRAMEWORK OR ANOTHER ONE WHAT'S REQUIRED FOR THINGS LIKE MAKER SPACES? BECAUSE INCREASINGLY CREATIVE SPACES HAVE SIMILAR REQUIREMENTS TO LIKE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES OR WORKSHOPS. 
          SO JUST WONDERING IF THAT'S GONNA BE ADDRESSED IN OTHER PARTS OF THE GENERAL PLAN FRAMEWORKS. 
          I THINK, UH, YOU, YOU ZEROED IN ON 5.2 ENABLE CREATIVE BUSINESSES AND I BELIEVE 5.2 0.1 
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IS INTENDED TO, YOU KNOW, REVIEW AND REMOVE BARRIERS, . 
          AH, OKAY. 
          I SEE. 
          SO IT'S LIKE A CATCH ALL FOR YES. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I CAN SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT. 
          YEAH. 
          YES, IT IS. 
          UM, A COMPONENT OF THE LAND USE POLICY FRAMEWORK, UM, AS WELL AS A VARIETY OF POLICIES AND ACTIONS RELATED TO DIVERSIFYING USES IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF TOWN. 
          GOT IT. 
          PARTICULARLY MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND WILL THIS EVENTUALLY LEAD TO, 'CAUSE I WAS THINKING ABOUT MIXED USE SPECIFICALLY AND THAT IDEA OF LIVE WORK SPACES AND KIND OF THE VARIETY WE COULD GET OUT OF THIS. 
          AND JUST THINKING ABOUT LIKE THE, THE DIFFICULTIES PEOPLE GO THROUGH WITH SOME OF OUR CONDITIONAL USE PER OR CONDITIONAL USE PERMITING PROCESS. 
          WILL THIS LEAD ON THE, UM, IZO LEVEL TO NEW DELINEATIONS AND, AND CODES FOR THIS, SPECIFICALLY FOR THESE KIND OF LIVE WORK CREATIVE SPACES? UH, YES. 
          IT'S MATTER OF FACT. 
          YOU'LL SEE IN THE LAND USE FRAMEWORK, UH, SUMMARY OF THE TYPES OF CODE REVISIONS THAT'LL BE NECESSARY TO FULLY IMPLEMENT THE, THE POLICIES AS WRITTEN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          RON'S ACTUALLY BEEN EDITING THE LAND USE POLICY FRAMEWORK, UH, DURING THE EARLIER PART OF THE MEETING, SO, UM, I THINK IT'S GONNA GO DIRECTLY FROM HIS FINGERS INTO THE DOCUMENT TONIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I THINK WE HAD SOMETHING SPECIFICALLY, IF I'M REMEMBERING CORRECTLY, RON, IN THE LAND USE FRAMEWORK, KIND OF ABOUT RETHINKING OUR DIFFERENT TYPES OF LIVE WORK. 
          WE HAVE KIND OF LIKE ONE WAY OF THINKING ABOUT LIVE WORK AND IT'S VERY DIFFERENT AND THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS TO MAKE IT WORK. 
          AND WE NEED TO HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY INTO OUR CODE SO THAT IT CAN WORK FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF USES OR DIFFERENT CONFIGURATIONS OR DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, BASED ON WHAT TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL IT IS TO GET PEOPLE TO COMBINE AND, AND UTILIZE THAT SPACE. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          'CAUSE THE, THE THING I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT A LOT LATELY, MOST OF MY FRIENDS WHO ARE IN THAT KIND OF, THEIR, THEIR CAREERS HAVE JUST BECOME MORE CREATIVE ENDEAVORS AT THIS POINT. 
          THEY'RE, THEY HAVE ONE AMOUNT TO, AND I'M, I'M ABUSING THIS TERM, BUT I JUST DON'T HAVE A BETTER CLASSIFICATION ON HAND. 
          THEY ESSENTIALLY HAVE CREATED MAKER SPACES IN THEIR HOMES. 
          SO THEY HAVE EVERYTHING FROM FULL WORKING MILLS TO LASER JET TO SEWING EQUIPMENT, LIKE EVERYTHING YOU CAN THINK OF TO MAKE THEIR PARTICULAR, WHETHER THEY'RE SELLING ART OR THEIR INSTALLATION WORK. 
          AND SO MUCH OF OUR ZONING IS BASED ON LIKE, ARE WE IN RESIDENTIAL? ARE WE IN COMMERCIAL, ARE WE IN? SO I'M JUST WONDERING, I'M HAPPY TO KNOW THAT THERE'D BE MORE MIXTURE FOR THIS KIND OF USE, SO IT'S NOT JUST AUTOMATICALLY PUTTING THIS KINDA LIVE WORK INTO AN AREA NEXT TO LIKE A DOCK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I THINK SO MUCH OF OUR LIVE WORK ALSO WAS THE IDEA, YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE FULLY, IT WAS THE INTENT, I'M NOT SURE, BUT IT WAS REALLY MORE FOCUSED ON, YOU KNOW, UH, AN URBAN PLANNER HAVING AN OFFICE AND THEIR, YOU KNOW, FRONT ROOM OR A, AN ARCHITECT OR A YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, TAX ACCOUNTANT OR, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF THING AT THE OFFICE. 
          AND SO YOU HAD YEAH. 
          MUCH OF WHEN WE HAVE SEEN ANY KIND OF LIVE WORK COME IN AS PART OF A PROJECT IS BEEN MORE LIKE YOU HAVE THIS BONUS ROOM IN THE FRONT GROUND FLOOR OF YOUR HOUSE THAT ENDS UP BEING USED AS A TEEN HANGOUT OR A, A DEN, OFTEN MORE THAN THE ACTUAL YEAH. 
          WORK ASPECT. 
          SO WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHAT TYPES OF WORK DIFFERENTLY FOR LIVE WORKSPACE. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          YEAH, I APPRECIATE THE DIRECTION THIS CONVERSATION'S GOING BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN HAVE LIKE A BIG WAREHOUSE AREA AND, YOU KNOW, PART OF IT IS ACTUALLY WHERE THE ARTIST WORKS, BUT THEY ALSO LIVE THERE IN ANOTHER PART OF THE AREA. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT, UM, EXISTING WAREHOUSE DISTRICTS AND SEE HOW WE CAN, UM, HAVE HOUSING AND UM, UH, BUSINESSES, YOU KNOW, COMBINED BECAUSE IT SEEMS AS THOUGH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SO MANY, WELL, WE, WE CAN DO THIS, BUT WE CAN'T DO THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND SO IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE NEED TO REALLY OPEN UP WHAT THE, UM, THE CHANGE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE IN ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF AREAS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS GET A LITTLE SENSITIVE WHEN I'M HEARING, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA ONLY WORK WITH LOCAL ARTISTS. 
          SURE. 
          UM, BECAUSE I REALLY THINK WE NEED TO BE A LITTLE BIT BROADER BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A BIG AREA, YOU KNOW, THE BAY AREA IS A BIG AREA AND THERE ARE A LOT OF INTERESTING ARTISTS THAT, YOU KNOW MM-HMM. 
          , UM, HAVE CONNECTIONS HERE, AND THEY MAY NOT LIVE HERE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN CONNECTIONS AND I UNDERSTAND ALWAYS WANTING TO WORK WITH LOCAL ARTISTS, BUT I JUST RATHER HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY OF NOT JUST, UM, BEING SO PIGEONED INTO, 
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AND I SHOULD PROBABLY CLARIFY WHEN I, WHEN I ASKED ABOUT COMMUNITIES TO REPRESENT, I WAS THINKING MORE, NOT SO MUCH DO THEY REPRESENT, ARE THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY LIVE NEXT DOOR, BUT LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, WE DID THE, THE PRIDE INSTALLATION, MAKING SURE THE ARTISTS IS FROM THE L-G-B-T-Q COMMUNITY, DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE FROM PETALUMA, BUT THAT SORT OF THING. 
          BUT THAT'S THE COMM. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          ARE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO? OKAY. 
          WELL, BEFORE I ASK ABOUT PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          OH, WE DO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE INTO PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          I'M GONNA SKIP READING THE SPIEL. 
          UM, NO . 
          UH, BUT I AM GONNA ASK, DID WE RECEIVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM AHEAD OF THE MEETING? WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND WE WILL NOW HAVE OUR ONE AND ONLY PUBLIC COMMENT FROM NICOLA FRY. 
          UM, I JUST WANNA SAY THERE'S A VIBRANT ART COMMUNITY THAT ALL OF YOU ARE IGNORING. 
          THE SENIOR CENTER HAS 14 STUDIO TIMES AND GROUPS EVERY WEEK. 
          THEY INCLUDE EVERYTHING FROM CREATIVE CURRENTS, WHICH IS A PROGRAM FROM ARTISTS OPEN STUDIO TO JEWELRY CRAFTING ART OF THE CINEMA, WRITING, COLORING, COLORING FOR CAUSES, A RHYTHM CLASS, AN OPEN ART STUDIO, A MEMOIR WRITING CLASS, A PAINTER'S CIRCLE FOR ADVANCED ARTISTS, A QUILTING CLASS, A KNITTING CLASS, A CROCHET GROUPS. 
          AND THESE ARE NOT ALL JUST CLASSES. 
          THESE ARE GROUPS THAT MEET TO WORK TOGETHER TO DO THEIR MAKING ART. 
          AND IN ADDITION, WE HAVE A MINIMUM OF TWO DANCES EVERY MONTH. 
          THIS MONTH IT'S BEEN GLOBAL GROOVIES AND, UM, THE CARIBBEAN CARNIVAL WHERE WE LOOK INTO CULTURES AND THEIR FOOD AND THEIR DANCE AND THEIR ART. 
          UM, SO ALL OF THAT IS HAPPENING, AND IT'S NOT MENTIONED ANYWHERE THAT IN FACT, SENIORS ARE WORKING, DOING ART, CREATING ART. 
          WE HAVE ART SHOWS EVERY MONTH AT THE SENIOR CENTER. 
          UM, WE DO A TON OF DIFFERENT THINGS IN ALL THAT AREAS BESIDES THE OTHER THINGS WE DO. 
          THE, UM, THE ZUMBA CLASSES AND THE, AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. 
          THERE'S TONS AND TONS OF THINGS THAT WE DO, BUT THESE WERE JUST THE THINGS I PULLED OUT OF THE JUNE SENIOR NEWSLETTER, SO LET'S NOT TRY TO FORGET THEM. 
          FAIR ENOUGH. 
          AND THAT ENDS PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM. 
          I WAS ACTUALLY, AND THAT BROUGHT ME TO ONE QUESTION THAT I REALIZED I DIDN'T ASK. 
          I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING IN THE PLAN. 
          AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING ABOUT INTEGRATION WITH SCHOOLS, AND I WAS JUST 'CAUSE TO THE KIND OF POLAR OPPOSITE OF, OF NICOLA'S POINT. 
          UH, DOES THE, IT'S THE SAME THING. 
          IT'S THE SAME IDEA OF LIKE, DOES, DOES THE, DOES THIS FRAMEWORK, UH, AT ALL DISCUSS HOW WE'RE ALSO ELEVATING HOMEGROWN ARTISTS MORE OR LESS IN THE PROGRAMMING? WELL, JUST QUICKLY, THERE WAS, UM, JUST AN ART SHOW FROM THE, UM, STUDENTS AT THE, UM, LUCCHESE CENTER THAT IS DONE EVERY YEAR. 
          SO THERE IS SOME INTEGRATION, UM, BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE IT SPELLED OUT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I CAN'T, DAVID, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD IF THERE'S ANYTHING SPECIFIC TO YOUTH AND SCHOOLS OR, UH, SENIOR RESOURCES, UM, AS PART OF THE LOCAL ART SCENE? UM, YES. 
          UM, POLICY 4.4 WAS, UM, SHAPED IN PART TO INCLUDE, UH, SUPPORT FOR ARTS EDUCATION FOR YOUTH, BUT ALSO WHAT HAPPENS IN THE SCHOOLS. 
          AND WE HAVE TO TREAD A BIT OF A LINE BECAUSE THE PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY, OF COURSE, FOR ARTS, EDUCATION AND SCHOOLS LIES WITH THE DISTRICT. 
          BUT YOU'LL SEE THERE ARE SOME, UM, SOME ACTIONS THAT ARE REALLY ABOUT THAT, CONNECTING SCHOOLS BETTER WITH THE RESOURCES IN, YOU KNOW, THE RICH RESOURCES IN THE PETALUMA ARTS COMMUNITY. 
          AND I JUST WANNA MENTION, UH, THE WOMAN'S COMMENT ABOUT SENIOR ARTS ACTIVITY. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT PASSIONATE COMMENT. 
          AND, UH, WE HAVE REFERENCES TO, UM, UH, COMMUNITY ARTS ACTIVITY OF ALL, AT ALL AGES, BUT I THINK WE CAN DEFINITELY TAKE A LOOK AT RECOGNIZING THE CONTRIBUTIONS OF SENIORS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS BEFORE WE'RE WRAPPED UP ON THIS ITEM, JESSICA? OKAY. 
          I, UH, WAS REALLY HAPPY TO SEE THAT THIS, UH, WAS IZED FOR A MEETING I WAS GOING TO BE AT, BECAUSE I AM ONE OF THOSE 
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CREATIVE BUSINESSES, . 
          UM, I WORK AT A RECORD LABEL, BUT THE RECORD LABEL I WORK FOR PRODUCES PRIMARILY STANDUP COMEDY ALBUMS. AND I WOULD IMPLORE, IF NOT BEG, THAT YOU INCLUDE COMEDY SLASH COMEDIANS SOMEWHERE IN THIS FRAMEWORK, BECAUSE IT COUNTS AS ART. 
          UM, SO I WOULD LOVE, LOVE, LOVE TO SEE COMEDY OR COMEDIANS ADDED. 
          YOU'VE GOT A FEW INSTANCES OF MUSIC AND MUSICIANS, BUT I'D LOVE TO SEE COMEDIAN COMEDY SLASH COMEDIANS NOT MUCH IN HERE ABOUT PERFORMING ARTS. 
          SO JUST VARYING THAT LANGUAGE IN ADDITION TO VISUAL ARTS, UPPING THE USAGE OF PERFORMING ARTS. 
          UM, I'D ALSO POSIT A SUGGESTION FOR FIBER ARTS. 
          WE HAVE A VIBRANT FIBER COMMUNITY HERE, UM, AT THE YARN STORE DOWNTOWN. 
          UM, AND IT'S ALWAYS A FUN PART OF THE FAIR . 
          SO I THINK FIBER ARTS COULD BE A GOOD ADDITION AS WELL. 
          CULINARY ARTS MIGHT BE A BRIDGE TOO FAR, BUT I'LL THROW IT OUT THERE AS WELL. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          UM, AND IN TERMS OF ADDRESSING, UM, NICOLA'S COMMENT, I THINK YOU COULD STAND TO DUPLICATE ACTION 4.1 0.3, WHICH CURRENTLY SAYS, ENCOURAGE PARTNERSHIPS AND GRANTS TO ENGAGE YOUTH IN ARTS AND CULTURE, UTILIZING YOUTH ORGANIZATIONS AND SPACE AND SPACES. 
          AND JUST SAME, SAME THING, BUT INSTEAD OF YOUTH SENIORS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          PERFECT. 
          DARREN. 
          AND JUST FROM READING THE DEFINITIONS, UM, THIS IS SOMETHING I I DIDN'T THINK OF. 
          UH, AT THE END OF THE DOCUMENT IT SAYS, THE CREATIVE INDUSTRIES INCLUDE ADVERTISING, ARCHITECTURE, ARTS, DESIGN, CRAFT BUSINESSES, THAT LIST THERE, INCLUDING PERFORMING ARTS, PUBLISHING MUSIC. 
          IS THAT ALL IMPLICIT WHEN WE'RE TALKING CREATIVE ARTS OR WE'RE TALKING ARTS IN THIS SECTION? SHOULD THAT BE IMPLICIT? AND IS THERE ANY WAY TO MAKE THAT A LITTLE MORE CLEAR IF IT IS, BECAUSE THAT'S A PRETTY BIG BRUSH, WE'RE TA OR THAT'S A, A LOT OF DIFFERENT DISCIPLINES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          AND WHEN I READ THROUGH IT WITHOUT REFERENCING THIS DEFINITION, IT DOESN'T QUITE READ THAT WAY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO I GUESS THAT'S A COMMENT DISGUISED AS A QUESTION, BUT IF WE CAN THINK ABOUT A WAY TO DO THAT, TO MAKE THOSE DEFINITIONS A LITTLE MORE CLEAR IN THERE, UM, AND I'LL LEAVE THAT TO YOUR ART POOL DISCRETION ON HOW TO DO, HOW TO DO THAT. 
          WE HAVE A LANGUAGE ISSUE IN OUR FIELD. 
          YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. 
          QUICK QUESTION, GO AHEAD, CA I DO THINK FOOD SHOULD BE PART OF IT BECAUSE, UM, I DON'T, THAT'S WHAT I CONSIDER MY ART, AND IT HAPPENS TO BE WHAT I LIKE TO DO. 
          BUT I JUST WANNA KINDA BRING UP, UM, AND I ALWAYS BRING THIS UP, IT'S THE ELLIS CREEK, UM, WASTEWATER FACILITY THAT IS AN ART PROJECT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THESE HORRIBLE, YOU KNOW, PLAQUES WERE PUT UP THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, DISINTEGRATED TALKING ABOUT REALLY THE NATURE OF THAT PROJECT. 
          AND SO JUST, I MEAN, THE IMPORTANCE OF WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT A, AT A COMMUNITY, A CITY PROJECT, THAT WE INCORPORATE ART SOMEHOW, AND ESPECIALLY WHEN IT IS AN ART PROJECT ALREADY, UM, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE DONE IN SAN FRANCISCO. 
          THEY WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, LIKE A PIECE OF ART IN FRONT OF, UM, UM, BY THE OCEAN BEACH. 
          THERE'S THIS BIG PIECE OF ART DOWN THERE WHERE THEY'RE A, A WASTEWATER FACILITY IS. 
          AND SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T EXCLUDE ART AT OUR FACILITY CITY HALL, ANY PLACE. 
          WELL, WITH THAT, UNLESS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, I BELIEVE WE'RE READY TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT FRAMEWORK. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, KELLY, YOU'RE UP. 
          I'LL SHARE SCREEN. 
          GREAT. 
          CAN I ALSO GET A WAVE IF YOU GUYS CAN HEAR ME. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          GREAT. 
          SO I'M GONNA WALK US THROUGH THE TRANSPORTATION POLICY FRAMEWORK. 
          I'M KELLY BOND, I'M A SENIOR PLANNER WITH FAIR PEERS, AND I'M ALSO A LOCAL PET AND RESIDENT. 
          I KNOW A LOT OF YOU ON THE COMMISSION, AND IT'S NICE TO SEE YOU THIS EVENING. 
          YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          GREAT. 
          THANKS RON. 
          OKAY, SO I'LL JUST BRIEFLY TOUCH ON THE EXISTING CONDITIONS AROUND TRANSPORTATION AND PETALUMA. 
          SO THE CITY'S LOCATION AND SUBURBAN CHARACTERISTICS CURRENTLY PRIORITIZE AUTOMOBILE USE, UM, WHILE THE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM GAPS ARE ACUTE FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE WALKING AND BIKING. 
          SO A COUPLE QUICK STATISTICS TO ORIENT US. 
          SO ABOUT 73% OF RESIDENTS IN PETALUMA CURRENTLY DRIVE ALONE TO WORK. 
          AND THERE'S A BIG OPPORTUNITY TO SHIFT AUTOMOBILE TRIPS, UM, TO OTHER FORMS OF TRANSPORTATION, WHETHER THAT BE WALKING, BIKING, UH, ROLLING TRANSIT, SO ABOUT, UH, A THIRD OF TRIPS OR LESS THAN TWO MILES, 
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SO THAT THERE'S A LARGE OPPORTUNITY THERE. 
          UM, THOSE SHORT DISTANCE TRIPS TO REALLY FOCUS ON WALKING AND BIKING. 
          AND THAT COULD BE A WAY FOR THE CITY TO TRY TO MEET OUR CLIMATE GOALS. 
          AND SO THIS IS ALL, UH, DIRECTLY RELATED TO THAT. 
          UM, AND YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF TIES TO CLIMATE THROUGHOUT MY SLIDES TONIGHT. 
          AND I'LL ALSO JUST NOTE THERE ARE SOME CURRENT BARRIERS, UM, ABOUT AROUND CROSSTOWN CONNECTION. 
          WE'LL GET INTO THAT A LITTLE MORE ON ANOTHER SIDE. 
          AND ALSO JUST GAPS IN THE SYSTEM THAT CAN MAKE IT CHALLENGING FOR PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE TO WALK AND BIKE AROUND THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND LASTLY, JUST TO NOTE THE, THAT WE DO SEE A LOT OF FOLKS COMING INTO PETALUMA EACH DAY, UH, AND PEOPLE THAT LEAVE THE CITY EACH DAY. 
          SO ABOUT 22,000 WORKERS TRAVELING TO PETALUMA AND 19,000 COMMUTING TO JOBS OUTSIDE THE CITY. 
          SO THERE'S THEN THAT EXCHANGE OF, UM, WORKERS TO AND FROM PETALUMA. 
          AND THERE COULD BE OPPORTUNITIES THERE TO, UM, THINK ABOUT TRANSPORTATION OR LAND USE AND HOW THAT AFFECTS WHERE PEOPLE LIVE AND WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO WORK. 
          GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          GREAT. 
          SO NOW THINKING ABOUT OUR TRANSIT NETWORK, WE CURRENTLY HAVE A LOT OF TRANSIT PROVIDERS THAT SERVE THE CITY OF PETALUMA, INCLUDING, UM, TRANSIT PROVIDERS THAT ARE IN WITHIN THE CITY, AND THEN AS WELL AS INNER CITY BUS LINES, UM, AND TRAIN LINES. 
          SO WE HAVE OF COURSE, SMART TRAIN THAT RUNS THROUGH THE CITY AND BEYOND. 
          WE HAVE SONOMA COUNTY TRANSIT, WE HAVE GOLDEN GATE TRANSIT AND OTHER PARATRANSIT SERVICES. 
          AND SO THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO POTENTIALLY EXPAND THE SERVICES THAT ARE PROVIDED THROUGH THESE, UH, OFFERINGS AND CONNECT MORE PEOPLE TO TRANSIT AND, AND HAVE TRANSIT GO TO MORE PLACES. 
          AND REALLY BEING ABLE TO FOCUS ON THE WALKABLE DOWNTOWN THAT WE DO HAVE AND HAVING THAT AS KIND OF A TRANSIT ORIENTED CORE. 
          GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          GREAT. 
          SO A LITTLE BIT MORE ON EXISTING CONDITIONS WITHIN THE BIKE AND PED NETWORK. 
          SO THIS IS A DRAFT MAP FROM THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN EFFORT THAT'S CURRENTLY ONGOING. 
          AND SO THERE IS A PRETTY EXTENSIVE NETWORK THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY OF, OF SIDEWALKS, WALKING PATHS, TRAILS, UH, BIKE ROUTE. 
          BUT THERE ARE SOME CHALLENGES THAT MAKE USING THOSE CAN MAKE USING THOSE DIFFICULT. 
          SO I MENTIONED BARRIERS BEFORE, SO THERE'S REALLY THREE MAIN, UM, BARRIERS TO GETTING ACROSS TOWN. 
          SO WE HAVE THE PETALUMA RIVER, WE HAVE, UH, 1 0 1, AND WE HAVE THE SMART TRACKS THAT ALL, UM, PRESENT BARRIERS TO CROSSING, WALKING, AND BIKING ACROSS THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND THEN, UH, WE ALSO HAVE SOME HIGHER VOLUME, HIGHER SPEED ROADS. 
          AND SO CURRENT FACILITIES OFFERED ON THOSE STREETS MAY BE, UM, INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE VOLUME AND THE SPEED THAT'S HAPPENING ON THOSE ROADS, MAKING IT FEEL LESS SAFE TO WALK AND BIKE IN THOSE PLACES. 
          THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY THERE TO POSSIBLY MAKE SOME CHANGES TO OUR NETWORK, AND THAT WOULD BE COVERED IN THE, THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN. 
          UH, BUT WE KNOW THERE'S DEFINITELY A NEED FOR MORE CROSSTOWN CONNECTORS TO HELP PEOPLE GET FROM ONE SIDE OF THE CITY TO THE OTHER IN THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          GREAT. 
          UM, SO THIS IS NOW FROM THE, THE FRAMEWORK. 
          UM, I'LL TOUCH ON SOME COMMUNITY PRIORITIES HERE. 
          SO WE HAVE VISION PILLARS AND GUIDING PRINCIPLES. 
          THE VISION AND PILLARS ARE ON THIS SLIDE. 
          I WON'T READ THEM IN FULL, BUT JUST HIGHLIGHT SOME KEY THEMES. 
          SO THE VISION, UH, THERE'S THREE VISION THEMES. 
          WE ARE PROSPEROUS, UH, WE RELISH OUR SPIRITED, DISTINCTIVE NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE WE LIVE, WORK, AND PLAY, AND WE ARE FORWARD THINKING LEADERS. 
          AND THEN WITHIN THE PILLARS, THERE'S A FOCUS ON CLIMATE ACTION, RESILIENCY AND SUSTAINABILITY, AS WELL AS EQUITY, JUST JUSTICE AND DEMOGRAPHIC CHANGES. 
          AND THESE WERE APPROVED BY GPAC AND ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          JUST AS A REMINDER. 
          AND THEN GUIDING PRINCIPLES, WE PULLED OUT SOME KEY ONES HERE THAT ARE RELATED TO TRANSPORTATION. 
          AGAIN, I'LL JUST HIGHLIGHT SOME THEMES. 
          SO, UH, TO ACHIEVE CARBON NEUTRALITY, WANTING TO PROMOTE SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC JUSTICE, WANTING TO INTEGRATE AND CONNECT EAST AND WEST SIDES OF TOWN A BIT MORE, UH, TO CREATE A WELCOMING AND AFFORDABLE AGE-FRIENDLY CITY TO ENHANCE THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN THAT WE HAVE, PRIORITIZING, CYCLING, WALKING, AND TRANSIT, UH, SUPPORTING INFILL DEVELOPMENT AND BEING A LEADER WITHIN THE LARGER RE REGION ON ADVANCING SOME OF THESE PRINCIPLES. 
          OKAY, SO THERE ARE SIX TRANSPORTATION GOALS THAT ARE IN THE FRAMEWORK THAT ARE LISTED HERE. 
          AND I'LL GO INTO SOME, UH, POLICIES WITHIN 
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EACH OF THESE GOALS. 
          UM, SO WE HAVE GOAL ONE, PETALUMA'S TRANSPORTATION NETWORK, REIMAGINED. 
          GOAL TWO IS CLIMATE EMERGENCY RESOLUTION GOAL THREE, EQUITABLE ACCESS FOR ALL. 
          GOAL FOUR, SAFE AND HEALTHY MOBILITY, GOAL FIVE, INTEGRATED LAND USE AND TRANSPORTATION PLANNING. 
          AND GOAL SIX, TIMELY AND EFFICIENT IMPLEMENTATION. 
          SO YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO I'LL START WITH THE FIRST GOAL, TRANSPORTATION REIMAGINED. 
          UM, SO WE PULLED SOME KEY POLICIES FOR YOU ALL TONIGHT WITHIN THESE GOALS. 
          UH, I WON'T GO INTO DETAIL ON EACH POLICY SINCE THERE'S A LOT AND WE HAVE A LOT TO COVER. 
          UM, BUT I'LL TALK ABOUT SOME JUST KEY THEMES AGAIN FROM, UH, AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS IN EACH OF THE GOALS. 
          SO FOR THIS FIRST GOAL HERE, THIS IS I THINK, PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY, BUT TRYING TO DEVELOP A MORE CONNECTED AND RELIABLE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK. 
          SO THAT'S ALL TYPES OF TRANSPORTATION, UM, CONNECTED. 
          THERE'S OBVIOUS LINKS THERE AROUND BIKE PED CONNECTIVITY, AND THEN RELIABLE OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, TRANSIT, MAKING SURE THAT THAT CAN BE A RELIABLE OPTION FOR PEOPLE, AND THAT BOTH OF THOSE THINGS CAN HELP FULFILL THE CITY'S VISION. 
          AND THEN I'LL ALSO HIGHLIGHT GREEN STREET STANDARDS SINCE WE'VE BEEN TALKING A LOT ABOUT, UM, LANDSCAPING AND GREENERY TONIGHT AT THIS MEETING. 
          SO THAT'S DEFINITELY A PART OF THIS. 
          AND THINKING ABOUT STANDARDS THAT COULD BE DEVELOPED, UH, FOR, FOR THE CITY SO THAT FUTURE DEVELOPERS WOULD HAVE SOMETHING TO, UH, FOLLOW. 
          GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO, CLIMATE EMERGENCY RESOLUTION. 
          THIS IS HOW DO WE IMPLEMENT OUR, UM, THE BLUEPRINT FOR CARBON NEUTRALITY? HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON LOWER CARBON TRAVEL AND MEETING, UH, THE CLIMATE EMERGENCY THAT WE'VE DECLARED AS A CITY? SO HOW DO WE RESPOND TO THAT? TO THE NEXT SLIDE? THIS GOAL IS AROUND EQUITY. 
          UM, SO INCLUDING THINGS LIKE AN INCLUSIVE MOBILITY FRAMEWORK, MAKING SURE THAT THAT MOBILITY FRAMEWORK IS GONNA WORK FOR PEOPLE OF ALL AGES AND ABILITIES. 
          THINKING ABOUT CONNECTIONS THAT THOSE ARE SEAMLESS, THAT THERE AREN'T SIDEWALK GAPS THAT MAKE IT SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A SIDEWALK, BUT IF THERE ARE GAPS IN IT, UM, IT'S NOT REALLY USABLE FOR A LOT OF FOLKS THAT CAN'T STEP OFF, UM, INTO THE ROAD. 
          OR IF THE SIDEWALK'S IN POOR CONDITION. 
          AGAIN, CONNECTING THE EAST AND WEST SIDE, MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE THAT NEED TO ACCESS SERVICES CAN DO SO SAFELY. 
          UM, AND INVESTING IN PUBLIC TRANSIT, THAT'S A MUCH NEEDED OPTION FOR, FOR PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UM, INVE THAT INVESTMENT HAPPENS. 
          OH, THANKS RON. 
          OKAY. 
          GOAL FOUR, SAFE AND HEALTHY MOBILITY. 
          UM, SO THERE'S A BIT OF OVERLAP. 
          SO THIS ONE REALLY FOCUSING ON A SAFE SYSTEMS APPROACH, WHICH COMMUNITIES ARE STARTING TO FOCUS ON, UM, MORE AND MORE ACROSS THE COUNTRY. 
          UM, AND IN THAT FOCUS FOCUSING ON VULNERABLE ROAD USERS, SO PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT IN A CAR, NOT IN TRANSIT, UM, THAT DON'T HAVE AS MUCH PHYSICAL PROTECTION. 
          SO PEOPLE WALKING AND BIKING, MAKING SURE THAT SAFETY IS PRIORITIZED FOR THOSE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY ARE MORE VULNERABLE IN THEIR TRANSPORTATION MODE. 
          UM, AND THEN SOME OTHER THINGS HERE, TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT, MAKING SURE THAT THAT IS DONE EQUITABLY. 
          AND THAT WILL COME BACK IN, UM, SOME FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT AS WELL FROM COMMITTEES FROM THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          OKAY. 
          SECOND TOSS ON INTEGRATE LAND USE AND TRANSPORTATION PLANNING. 
          UM, SO WE'VE TALKED A A BIT ABOUT THIS ALREADY, BUT, UM, MAKING SURE THAT THOSE TWO ARE TALKING TO EACH OTHER. 
          SO AS WE'RE THINKING ABOUT DEVELOPMENT POLICIES AND LAND USE, THAT THOSE DON'T CONFLICT WITH OUR TRANSPORTATION GOALS AND OUR TRANSPORTATION, UH, POLICIES THAT EXIST. 
          UM, THAT, SO THAT COULDN'T INCLUDE THINGS LIKE BUILDING CODES AS WELL. 
          UM, CONNECTION TO CLIMATE HERE, MAKING SURE THAT LOW CARBON TRAVEL CAN BE ACCOMMODATED. 
          AND ALSO TALKS TO LAND USE AND TRANSPORTATION PLANNING AND, UH, PARKING POLICIES. 
          THIS WILL ALSO COME BACK IN SOME FEEDBACK THAT WE HEARD FROM COMMITTEES, UM, BUT ALIGNING THAT WITH CLIMATE GOALS AS WELL. 
          UM, AND THEN LOOKING AT RESPONSIBLE FREIGHT. 
          I, OKAY, SO THIS LAST ONE HERE, THERE'S A FOCUS ON USING, UH, DATA TO DRIVE DECISION MAKING AND PLANNING INVOLVING, INVOLVING THE COMMUNITY WHERE, UH, APPROPRIATE AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING THE, THE FEEDBACK AND INPUT THAT WE NEED ON DECISIONS. 
          AND BEING CREATIVE WITH FUNDING IS ANOTHER BIG ONE. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF FUNDING OUT THERE RIGHT NOW FROM VARIOUS, UH, FORMS AT STATE, FEDERAL, UH, REGIONAL LEVEL. 
          AND SO HOW CAN THE CITY BE CREATIVE WITH THAT FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES TO REALLY GET THE MOST BANG FOR THE BUCK AND MAKE THESE PROJECTS HAPPEN. 
          OKAY, SO I'LL JUST GO THROUGH THREE MORE SLIDES. 
          AND THIS IS FEEDBACK FROM VARIOUS COMMITTEE MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE PRESENTED THIS, UH, TRANSPORTATION FRAMEWORK 
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TO, SO THIS FIRST ONE HERE IS FROM MAY, THE JOINT, PAC, PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND TRANSIT ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING. 
          AND SO THERE WERE A FEW THEMES THAT STOOD OUT. 
          AND I'LL START BY SAYING THAT THERE WAS ALSO A FOCUS ON SIMPLICITY AND MAKING SURE THAT THE DOCUMENT, THE FRAMEWORK THAT'S CREATED IS EASY TO READ BY EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY IF THAT IT MAKES SENSE. 
          AND SO SIMPLICITY WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP, UM, A LOT BY, BY THE, THOSE BODIES. 
          THERE WERE ALSO COMMENTS ABOUT REALLY WANTING TO CONVEY THE URGENCY OF NEEDING, YOU KNOW, MODE SHIFT AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND THE CONNECTION TO CLIMATE. 
          UM, AND ALIGNING THE FRAMEWORK WITH OTHER LOCAL AND REGIONAL PLANS. 
          THAT'S SOMETHING WE HEARD FROM A LOT OF THE BODIES THAT WE WENT IN FRONT OF. 
          UM, VISION ZERO, ENFOR AND OTHER FORMS OF ENFORCEMENT. 
          MAKING SURE THAT THAT'S DONE EQUITABLY, WHICH I PREVIOUSLY ALLUDED TO. 
          AND BEING MORE EXPANSIVE IN THE PERSPECTIVES THAT WE'RE REPRESENTING IN THE FRAMEWORK. 
          SO MAKING SURE WE'RE CONSIDERING PEOPLE LIKE RENTERS THAT MIGHT HAVE, UH, AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE OR THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND THEN ALSO A BIG FOCUS ON IMPLEMENTATION, MAKING SURE THAT THE FRAMEWORK THAT IS DEVELOPED IS SOMETHING THE CITY CAN REALLY TAKE AND RUN WITH, AND MAKING SURE THAT THAT'S IMPLE IMPLEMENTABLE AND IT CAN BE LIKE AN ACTION PLAN FOR THE, THE CITY FOR THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO WE ALSO WENT TO THE AIRPORT COMMISSION IN MAY, AND WE DISCUSSED, UH, A FEW THINGS WITH THEM. 
          IT WAS MY FIRST TIME AT THAT MEETING, SO IT WAS FUN. 
          I, I LEARNED A LOT. 
          UM, THEY SHARED A LOT. 
          WE TALKED A BIT ABOUT OPERATIONAL LOGISTICS OF THE AIRPORT, LIKE OWNERSHIP AND BENEFITS TO THE COMMUNITY, UM, SUCH AS BEING A STAGING AREA FOR FIRST RESPONDERS DURING EMERGENCIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          THERE WAS A GOOD DISCUSSION AROUND THE FUTURE OF FLYING, INCLUDING FUEL TYPES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY BEING USED AND THINGS THAT COULD BE USED IN THE FUTURE AND WHAT IS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF STILL BEING STUDIED. 
          SO THERE'S DEFINITELY INTEREST IN, UM, YOU KNOW, CHANGING THE MORE CLEANER FUELS, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, MORE RESEARCH SOUNDS LIKE NEEDS TO BE DONE IN ORDER TO DO THAT. 
          AND SO SAFETY IS DEFINITELY A TOP PRIORITY FOR THAT. 
          UH, COMMISSION AND AUTONOMOUS FLIGHT WAS ALSO SOMETHING THAT WAS, UM, DISCUSSED A BIT. 
          AND SO IN RELATION TO THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN, WE DISCUSSED CONNECTIONS FROM THE AIRPORT TO, UM, YOU KNOW, BIKE PEG CONNECTIONS, TRAILS THAT GO TO THE AIRPORT AND TO TOWN AS WELL AS, UH, FREIGHT AND TRUCK ROUTE AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND AS I MENTIONED, THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES THAT CAME UP WAS AROUND SAFETY. 
          AND SO VERY MUCH INTERESTED IN TRANSITIONING TO CLEANER FUELS, BUT ALSO WANNA BE, UH, REALLY MINDFUL AROUND WHAT IS, WHAT'S BEEN STUDIED AND WHAT'S BEEN SHOWN TO BE SAFE VERSUS NEEDS SOME MORE, UM, NEEDS MORE STUDY. 
          AND THEY ALSO MENTIONED JUST THE NEED FOR A PERMANENT FACILITY AT THE AIRPORT. 
          THAT WAS ONE OTHER ITEM. 
          YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, RON. 
          THANKS. 
          AND THEN LASTLY, WE WENT TO THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION IN MAY AS WELL, AND THEY ALSO HIGHLIGHTED THE NEED FOR ALIGNMENT WITH THE BLUEPRINT FOR CARBON NEUTRALITY AS WELL AS REGIONAL PLANNING EFFORTS. 
          UM, SO WE DEFINITELY HEARD THAT LOUD AND CLEAR NEEDS TO HAVE GOOD ALIGNMENT WITH ALL THE OTHER VARIOUS PLANS THAT ARE HAPPENING OR ARE ALREADY COMPLETE. 
          THEY EXPRESSED INTEREST IN HAVING A MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION MAP AND ALSO FOCUSING ON EQUITY PRIORITY AREAS IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND THERE WAS ALSO A SUGGESTION TO REPHRASE SOME PARKING STRATEGIES TO TALK MORE ABOUT DYNAMICALLY PRICED PARKING, THAT THAT MIGHT A MORE PALATABLE TERM AND BETTER DESCRIPTOR. 
          I BELIEVE THAT IS THE END OF MY PRESENTATION. 
          ARE WE PAUSING AS WELL NOW FOR TRANSPORTATION OR ARE WE JUST GOING RIGHT INTO PARKS AND REC? NOT SURE WITH THE CHANGE IN THE AGENDA. 
          I THINK THE IDEA WAS WE'D GO INTO PARKS AND REC, DO THAT PRESENTATION, AND THEN WE'D HEAR FROM THE AD HOCS ON THOSE TWO. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL PASS IT TO MEGAN. 
          ALL RIGHTY. 
          HELLO EVERYBODY. 
          UH, I AM MEGAN MCNULTY. 
          I'M A SENIOR PLANNER AT RAMIAN ASSOCIATES. 
          UM, CAN I GET THE THIRD ROUND OF, OF WAVES TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU CAN ALL HEAR ME? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          UM, YEAH, SO TONIGHT I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH THE PARKS AND RECREATION POLICY FRAMEWORK. 
          SO I'LL START WITH SOME HIGH LEVEL FINDINGS FROM THE EXISTING CONDITIONS REPORT THAT WERE REALLY FOUNDATIONAL TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS FRAMEWORK. 
          UM, OVERALL THE REPORT FOUND THAT PETALUMA RESIDENTS GENERALLY ARE VERY WELL SERVED BY A VARIETY OF PARK TYPES, UH, PARTICULARLY COMPARED TO A LOT OF OTHER COMMUNITIES IN CALIFORNIA. 
          HOWEVER, A BIG CURRENT AND ALSO FUTURE CHALLENGE FOR THE CITY IS FUNDING NEW PARKS AND ALSO MAINTAINING ITS PARKS. 
          SO THIS WILL BE, UM, YOU KNOW, A BIG FOCUS OF THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          ANOTHER FINDINGS THAT THE CITY 
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DOES NOT CURRENTLY HAVE A PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN, UM, WHICH COULD GUIDE, YOU KNOW, PARK PLANNING PRIORITIES AND ALSO MAINTENANCE. 
          AND, UM, THE FUNDING TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE CHALLENGES THAT WE BRING UP IN TERMS OF THE EXISTING PARKS NETWORK, UM, WHICH IS SHOWN ON THE SLIDE HERE. 
          THE CITY OWNS AND OPERATES A WIDE VARIETY OF PARK TYPES, WHICH INCLUDE COMMUNITY PARKS, NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS, AND POCKET PARKS. 
          UM, THERE'S ALSO A VARIETY OF OPEN SPACES, PRIMARILY ON THE PERIPHERY OF THE CITY. 
          SOME THE CITY OWNS, SOME OWNED BY THE COUNTY. 
          AND AGAIN, IN RECENT YEARS, UH, LIKE FUNDING AND STAFFING FOR PARKS AND MAINTENANCE HAS DECREASED WHILE ACREAGE HAS INCREASED. 
          SO AGAIN, CREATING MORE CHALLENGES FOR THE PARKS DEPARTMENT TO ACQUIRE NEW PARK SPACE, UM, PARTICULARLY IN UNDERSERVED AREAS AND ENSURE THAT EXISTING PARKS CONTINUE TO BE OF HIGH QUALITY. 
          AND THEN WE ALSO LOOKED AT PARK ACCESS IN THE EXISTING CONDITIONS REPORT. 
          'CAUSE BEING ABLE TO ACCESS THE PARK IS REALLY, UM, FOUNDATION, UH, FOUNDATIONAL TO THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN PETALUMA. 
          AND YOU COULD SEE IN MOST, UM, AREAS OF THE MAP THAT MOST PARTS OF THE CITY ENJOY PRETTY CONVENIENT PARK ACCESS. 
          UM, BUT PARK ACCESS IS NOT CONVENIENT, UH, EQUALLY DISTRIBUTED THROUGHOUT THE CITY. 
          SO YOU SEE THAT ABOUT, UM, 16% OF RESIDENTS DO NOT LIVE WITHIN A 10 MINUTE WALK OF A PARK. 
          SO IN THE GENERAL PLAN, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO ENSURE THAT THE CITY CAN CREATE BETTER CONNECTIONS TO PARKS AND ALSO LOCATE, UH, NEW PARKS IN AREAS THAT ARE CURRENTLY NOT WELL SERVED. 
          AND HERE ARE SOME PRIORITIES FROM THE VISION OF GETTING PRINCIPLES RELATED TO THIS FRAMEWORK. 
          UM, FROM THE VISION THAT THE PARKS FRAMEWORK ADVANCES THE PETALUMA RIVER AS A PLACE FOR RECREATION, AND IT ALSO CONTINUE, UH, CONSIDERS PARKS, UH, KEY COMPONENTS TO NEIGHBORHOOD QUALITY. 
          THE FRAMEWORK ALSO ADVANCES THE NUMBER OF GUIDING PRINCIPLES, UM, SUCH AS SUSTAINABILITY AND RESILIENCE, ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION, HEALTH AND WELLNESS, AS WELL AS, UH, ADDRESSING CLIMATE CHANGE. 
           HERE ARE THE MANY GOALS FOR THIS FRAMEWORK. 
          UM, I'LL NOTE A COUPLE HIGH LEVEL THINGS OFF THE TOP. 
          UM, FIRST ORGANIZATION IS JUST BASED ON SEQUENCING BY TOPIC AREA, NOT BY THE IMPORTANCE OF THE TOPIC. 
          AND THE TOPICS HERE WERE CHOSEN BASED ON WHAT THE CITY HAS AUTHORITY OVER, AS WELL AS WHAT CITY STAFF, DECISION MAKERS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS, UM, HAVE IDENTIFIED AS VALUES TO CREATE A BETTER PARKS AND RECREATION SYSTEM. 
          SO I'LL START WITH THE FIRST GOAL AND THE FRAMEWORK ADVANCES, EXPANDING AND ENHANCING PARK FACILITIES. 
          UM, A KEY WAY TO DO THIS, AS I MENTIONED, IS THROUGH PARKS, UH, MASTER PLAN. 
          AND THE PARKS MASTER PLAN WOULD, UM, ALSO DEFINE A NEW EQUITY BASED PARK METRIC. 
          AND WHAT THIS WOULD DO WOULD PROVIDE A MORE NUANCED VIEW OF, UH, WHERE PARKS ARE NEEDED AND WHAT TYPES OF AMENITIES ARE NEEDED IN THOSE PARKS. 
          THE FRAMEWORK ALSO IDENTIFIES A NUMBER OF STRATEGIES TO EXPAND PARK SPACE. 
          I WON'T GET INTO EVERY SINGLE THING, BUT SOME OF THE STRATEGIES INCLUDE, UM, YOU KNOW, REQUIRING DEDICATIONS THROUGH, UH, CONDITIONS OF DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL AND THROUGH CITY FUNDED ACQUISITIONS. 
          AND HERE IS A MAP OF PROPOSED PARKS AND OPEN SPACES. 
          UM, A KEY THING TO POINT OUT HERE IS THAT THIS IS NOT AN EXHAUSTIVE LIST OR MAP OF PARKS THAT MAY BE DEVELOPED OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS IN THE GENERAL PLAN HORIZON. 
          UM, THESE ARE JUST PLACES THAT THE CITY CURRENTLY IDENTIFIES AS POTENTIALLY HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY, UM, TO BECOME A PARK EITHER THROUGH DEVELOPMENT STATUS, PARCEL CONDITIONS, OR SOME OTHER, UM, FEATURE. 
          UM, YOU ALSO SEE, UM, IMPORTANT TO NOTE HERE, PROPOSED WALKING AND BIKING PATHS TO CONNECT THESE PARKS, UH, PARTICULARLY ALONG AND ACROSS THE PETALUMA RIVER. 
          SO AGAIN, WE REALLY WANNA EMPHASIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF DEVELOPING A NETWORK OF INTERCONNECTED PARKS, PUBLIC FACILITIES, AND OTHER PUBLIC SPACES. 
          NEXT, THE CITY SEEK TO COLLABORATE WITH AGENCIES, COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS, AND THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO ACQUIRE AND FUND, UH, PARK ACQUISITIONS. 
          SO A COUPLE STRATEGIES TO DO SO, THE FRAMEWORK SEEKS TO EXPAND JOINT USE AGREEMENTS OF SCHOOL DISTRICTS. 
          UM, THERE ARE A COUPLE POLICIES RELATED TO COLLABORATION, SO WORKING WITH AGENCIES, COMMUNITY PARTNERS, AND THE LIBRARY, UH, TO ACQUIRE, MANAGE PROGRAM SPACES. 
          AND THEN LASTLY, THE CITY WILL CONTINUE TO DEVELOP PARTNERSHIPS TO EXPAND AND MAINTAIN A LANDSCAPE ASSESSMENT DISTRICT OPERATIONS. 
          NEXT, THE PLAN CENTERS THE PETALUMA RIVER AS A RECREATION CORRIDOR WITH A CONNECTED SYSTEM OF PARKS AND TRAILS, RECREATION PROGRAMMING AND FLOODING BENEFITS. 
          UH, ONE STRATEGY THE FRAMEWORK PUTS FORTH IS UPDATING THE PETALUMA RIVER ACCESS AND ENHANCEMENT PLAN. 
          IN PART TWO, ENHANCE RECREATIONAL USES ALONG THE RIVER, UM, NA FRAMEWORK SEEKS TO MAINTAIN. 
          UH, OKAY, . 
          THANKS RON. 
          UH, NEX THE FRAMEWORK SEEKS TO MAINTAIN A BOATING OPERATIONS ALONG THE PET PETAL UBER RIVER AND OR PERPETUITY. 
          ALL RIGHT, NOW 
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GO FOR, OKAY, SO THIS ONE RELATES TO, UM, CREATING THE INTERCONNECTED PARKS AND FACILITIES NETWORK I JUST MENTIONED. 
          SO THE VISION IS FOR THIS INTERCONNECTED SYSTEM CONNECTED BY WALKING AND BIKING PATHS, AND YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT, THAT THIS MIGHT BE A GREAT WAY TO IMPROVE, UM, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC ACTIVITY AND PUBLIC HEALTH. 
          SO POLICIES HERE RELATE TO ENSURING A 10 MINUTE WALK, UM, TO PARKS AND OPEN SPACES. 
          THERE ARE ALSO POLICIES TO SUPPORT ACCESSIBLE HIGH QUALITY TRAILS. 
          UM, THERE'S AN IDEA HERE ABOUT CO-LOCATING RECREATIONAL FACILITIES WITH PARKS, PUBLIC SPACES AND OTHER USES JUST TO BETTER CONNECT RECREATIONAL FACILITIES TO OTHER DESTINATIONS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND THEN LASTLY, THE FRAMEWORK SEEKS TO ENSURE THAT ALL PEOPLE, AS WELL AS WILDLIFE CAN EASILY, UM, NAVIGATE THROUGH PARKS AND BETWEEN THE CITIES, PARKS, AND OPEN SPACES. 
          NEXT, UM, THIS GOAL RELATES TO MAINTENANCE. 
          AND I WILL SAY THAT THESE ARE, THIS IS MORE OF A LIST OF IDEAS OF WAYS TO IMPROVE MAINTENANCE, UM, IN PARKS. 
          UM, A LOT OF THE ACTIONS RELATE TO STUDYING POTENTIAL, UH, MAINTENANCE STRATEGIES. 
          AND I THINK A LOT OF THESE IDEAS WOULD BE EXPANDED UPON FURTHER IN A PARKS OF RECREATION MASTER PLAN. 
          SO A COUPLE IDEAS HERE RELATE TO CREATING AND MAINTAINING COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIPS TO HELP MAINTAIN SPACES. 
          UM, THEY'RE ALSO STRATEGIES TO EXPAND PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS RELATED TO MAINTENANCE AND JOINTLY RENOVATE AND MAINTAIN, UH, FACILITIES WITH SCHOOL DISTRICTS OR JOINT USE. 
          UM, THE CITY ALSO SEEKS TO ENSURE PARKS ARE MAINTAINED IN SUCH A MANNER THAT THEY'RE ACCESSIBLE AND THEY'RE SAFE FOR ALL PARK USERS. 
          AND THEN THE FRAMEWORK ALSO SEEKS TO ENSURE THE CITY IS EQUIPPED TO HANDLE, UH, PEST MANAGEMENT. 
          AND THEN LASTLY AGAIN, THERE'S STRATEGIES TO IMPROVE FUNDING, UM, SUCH AS BONDS, ASSESSMENT DISTRICTS, UM, ET CETERA. 
          UH, NEXT, UM, URBAN FOREST. 
          SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE PRESENTED TO YOU AHEAD OF THIS MEETING WAS WHERE SHOULD URBAN FOREST POLICIES LIVE? THEY'RE CURRENTLY IN THE PARKS FRAMEWORK, BUT THIS IS ONE OF THE IDEAS IN THE GENERAL PLAN THAT REALLY RELATES TO A LOT OF TOPICS LIKE NATURAL RESOURCES, LAND USE, ET CETERA. 
          SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE HAVE FOR YOU IS WHERE THESE POLICIES SHOULD LIVE. 
          UM, WHAT THE SECTION DOES IS IT SEEKS TO EXPAND AND MAINTAIN THE URBAN FOREST, INCLUDING THROUGH DEVELOPING A STREET TREE MASTER PLAN. 
          UM, THE CITY ALSO SEEKS TO COLLECT MORE DATA RELATED TO URBAN FORESTS TO INFORM DECISION MAKING AND MANAGEMENT. 
          UM, THE FRAMEWORK ADVANCES DEVELOPING AN URBAN FORESTRY PROGRAM TO CONSOLIDATE VARIOUS CITY POLICIES AND ORDINANCES REGARDING TREES. 
          AND THEN THE CITY SEEKS TO ENSURE ROBUST COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND EDUCATIONAL RESOURCES TO SUPPORT THE FOREST AND, UM, EXPAND FOOD OPTIONS IN THE CITY VIA FOOD FOREST. 
          NEXT, UM, EQUITY IS A KEY PRIORITY IN THIS PLAN. 
          SO THE GOAL IS TO ENSURE EQUITABLE ACCESS TO PARK FACILITIES AND PROGRAMMING. 
          SO THIS, UM, INVOLVES ENSURING THAT ALL OUR ABLE TO USE AND ACCESS FACILITIES AND PROGRAMS THROUGH ACTIONS LIKE CREATING RECREATIONAL VOUCHERS FOR LOWER INCOME RESIDENTS. 
          UM, JUST REGULARLY SURVEYING USERS TO UNDERSTAND COMMUNITY NEEDS. 
          UM, OTHER IDEAS RELATE TO ENSURING, UM, SPACES AND PROGRAMMING MEETS THE NEEDS OF ALL USE USERS, INCLUDING YOUTH AND SENIORS. 
          UM, THE FRAMEWORK ALSO DISCUSSES INVOLVING RESIDENTS IN EQUITY PRIORITY AREAS AND DECISION MAKING PROCESSES WERE, UM, AROUND PARKS, AND THEN ALSO CREATING WHAT ARE CALLED INTERGENERATIONAL GATHERING SPACES TO BRING THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY TOGETHER. 
          SO PLACES THAT HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, ATTRACTIONS AND THINGS TO OFFER FOR SENIORS AND YOUTH ALIKE AND EVERYBODY IN BETWEEN TO BRING THE WHOLE COMMUNITY TOGETHER IN ONE PLACE. 
          UH, THE NEXT GOAL RELATES TO SUSTAINABILITY. 
          SO IT SEEKS TO ADVANCE SUSTAINABILITY IN THE CITY'S PARKS AND RECREATIONAL FACILITIES AND CREATE CARBON NEUTRAL FACILITIES. 
          STRATEGIES INCLUDE INCORPORATING SOLAR ENERGY AT CITY FACILITIES, UM, USING DROUGHT TOLERANT LANDSCAPING AND INTRODUCING RAINWATER CAPTURE ME MECHANISMS. UM, THE FRAMEWORK ALSO SUPPORTS EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMMING AND SIGNAGE RELATED TO CLIMATE ACTION IN THE CITY'S PARKS AND FACILITIES. 
          AND THEN LASTLY, WHERE APPROPRIATE PARK FACILITIES CAN BE DESIGNED TO SERVE AS, UH, FLOOD CONTROL FACILITIES. 
          AND THEN FINAL GOAL, UM, THIS LAST GOAL IS TO ENSURE THAT ALL RESIDENTS ARE ABLE TO ENJOY RECREATIONAL PROGRAMMING AND COMMUNITY EVENTS. 
          SO THE PROGRAMMING THAT HAPPENS IN THE CITY'S PARKS AND FACILITIES. 
          SO THE CITY SEEKS TO SPONSOR MORE COMMUNITY EVENTS LIKE MOVIES IN THE PARK AND FESTIVALS. 
          IT ALSO SPEAKS TO EXPAND, UM, EDUCATIONAL AQUATIC AND ARTS AND CULTURAL PROGRAMMING. 
          SO THERE IS ACTUALLY A POLICY IN THE PARKS FRAMEWORK RELATED TO, UM, ARTS AND PUBLIC, UH, PARKS AND, AND, AND RECREATIONAL PROGRAMMING. 
          SO I ENCOURAGE YOU TO CHECK THAT ONE OUT IN RELATION TO, UM, THE COMMENTS WE JUST HEARD ON THE ARTS FRAMEWORK. 
          AND THE CITY CAN EXPAND THIS PROGRAMMING ON ITS OWN, BUT ALSO THROUGH PARTNERSHIPS WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND LOCAL COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS. 
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AND HERE IS FEEDBACK THAT WE HEARD ABOUT THIS FRAMEWORK FROM THE MAY 15TH JOINT RECREATION, MUSIC AND PARKS COMMISSION MEETING AND THE TREE ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING. 
          UM, THE FIRST COMMENT RELATES TO THE HOME OF THE URBAN FORESTRY POLICIES, AND THEY SUGGESTED MOVING THE GOAL OUT OF THIS FRAMEWORK AND INTO THE NATURAL, UM, I BELIEVE THE NATURAL RESOURCES FRAMEWORK, SORRY, NATURAL ENVIRONMENT FRAMEWORK. 
          THEY ALSO SUGGESTED THINKING ABOUT HOW SIDEWALKS AND THE RIGHT OF WAY CONTRIBUTE TO THE BROADER NETWORK OF, UH, PARK CONNECTIVITY THAT THE FRAMEWORK DISCUSSES. 
          THERE WAS ALSO A SUGGESTION TO USE REGENERATIVE PARK MANAGEMENT TECHNIQUES, SO MANAGEMENT TECHNIQUES THAT ALLOW FOR THE RENEWAL OF THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT. 
          AND THEN THE COMMISSIONS ALSO REALLY WANTED TO SEE HOW THE GENERAL PLAN, THE PARKS RECREATION MASTER PLAN, UM, THEY REALLY WANTED TO ENSURE THAT THEY HAVE STRONG PLANS TO RESOLVE SOME OF THE FUNDING ISSUES. 
          UM, ONE IDEA, FOR INSTANCE, THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WAS THE IDEA OF CONSIDERING REVENUE GENERATING FACILITIES IN THE COMMUNITY TO HELP SUPPORT REVENUE GENERATION. 
          AND THEN THIS WAS JUST A SAMPLE OF COMMENTS. 
          THERE WERE A LOT OF REALLY GREAT COMMENTS THAT WE HEARD AND GREAT FEEDBACK. 
          BUT THE LAST ONE WE NOTED HERE IS THAT THE COMMITTEES WERE PRETTY SUPPORTIVE OF THE IDEA OF MULTI-GENERATIONAL PARKS AND PLAYGROUNDS. 
          SO THAT IS IT FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          UM, THANK YOU ALL FOR LISTENING. 
          AND I BELIEVE I WILL TURN IT BACK OVER TO THE CHAIR AT THIS POINT. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, WE WILL, WE WILL NOW MOVE INTO OUR AD HOC COMMITTEE PRESENTATIONS AND WE ARE GONNA START WITH TRANSIT AND THANK YOU, THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY WHO JUST GAVE A LENGTHY PRESENTATIONS TO US ON THE FRAMEWORKS. 
          UH, BUT BEFORE WE GET INTO THE TRANSIT PRESENTATION, I DID WANT TO SAY, UH, HAVING, HAVING BEEN ON TRANSIT COMMITTEE FOR I THINK ABOUT FIVE YEARS, THEN PBA C FOR ANOTHER TWO, I WAS FLOORED WITH HOW THOROUGH THE TRANSIT FRAMEWORK ENDED UP BEING. 
          JESSICA AND I HAD KIND OF HAD TO STRUGGLE TO FIND THINGS THAT WE RECOMMENDED CHANGES TO OR SUGGESTIONS TO, SO WE JUST WANTED TO EXPRESS GRATITUDE FOR HOW THOROUGH THAT EFFORT WAS. 
          AND WITH THAT, I'M GONNA PASS IT ON TO JESSICA. 
          DEAR HOOPER, CAN WE GET THE AIR CONDITIONING SHUT OFF? ? COULD WE TURN THE AIR CONDITIONING OFF? YES. 
          I CAN'T BELIEVE I'M SAYING THAT, BUT YES, IT IS THAT TIME OF NIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'LL SEE IF POWERPOINT AND I CAN GET ALONG. 
          UM, YES TO ECHO CHAIR HOOPER, WE WERE REALLY IMPRESSED WITH THIS FRAMEWORK AND, UH, APPRECIATE ALL THE HARD WORK THAT'S GONE IN TO IT'S CREATION. 
          UM, WE HAVE A WHOPPING SIX COMMENTS, . 
          UM, SO THE FIRST STEP IS IN GOAL 1.3, UM, WHICH DISCUSSES LEVERAGING OPPORTUNITIES ALONG THE PETALUMA RIVER AND A SUGGESTED ADDITIONAL ACTION THAT SPEAKS TO THE PETALUMA RIVER PARK. 
          UM, I'M FLEXIBLE HERE ON THE WORDING OF IT, BUT, AND I'M SUSPECTING THAT YOU'VE GOTTEN SOME PUBLIC COMMENTS SUBMITTED ON THIS 'CAUSE I KNOW THEY WERE CAMPAIGNING ON IT. 
          UM, BUT I DO THINK THAT THE PETALUMA RIVER PARK DESERVES A MENTION IN THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          AND, UM, SO THIS WAS WHERE I HAD SORT OF SEEN ITS OPPORTUNITY TO BE ADDED TO THE TRANSPORTATION FRAMEWORK TO COORDINATE WITH STAKEHOLDERS TO OPTIMIZE ACCESS AND THE AMENITIES PROVIDED AT PETALUMA RIVER PARK, BOTH ALONG THE MCNAIR PENINSULA AND THE HOPPER STREET SITE. 
          NEXT UP, JUST A TEENY TINY WORDSMITHING HERE IN, UH, 3.4 0.2, WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ENHANCED AMENITIES FOR PEOPLE WALKING DOWNTOWN IN TRANSIT-ORIENTED DISTRICTS, AND AT NEIGHBORHOOD HUBS TO INCLUDE PUBLIC ART AS A POTENTIAL ENHANCED AMENITY IN THOSE ZONES. 
          UH, STICKING ON PAGE 15 AT 3.4 0.5. 
          AGAIN, JUST A LITTLE ADDITION HERE, HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW. 
          IN ADDITION TO WORKING WITH THE BAY AREA RIDGE TRAIL COUNCIL, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO ALSO CALL OUT WORKING WITH THE SMART PATHWAY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE HAD THEM AT PBAC TALKING ABOUT WAYFINDING AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S A ANOTHER GOOD ORGANIZATION TO BE IN THE MIX ON THESE LOW STRESS WALKING AND BICYCLING NETWORK CONVERSATIONS. 
          AND THEN SORT OF LATER IN THAT ACTION, A CALL OUT AROUND THE BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS WHERE STREETS MUST BE USED OR CROSSED TO TRAVEL BETWEEN TRAILS AND GREENWAYS. 
          MY SPECIFIC THOUGHT THERE IS GETTING OVER MARIA DRIVE WHEN YOU'RE ON THE LYNCH CREEK TRAIL IS REAL SQUIRRELY. 
          SO, UM, WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THAT IMPROVED. 
          UM, AND ALL OF THOSE SORT 
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OF MAJOR CROSSINGS, UM, THOUGHT ABOUT IN ADDITION TO WHEN YOU'RE ACTUALLY ON THE STREET AND IT COUNTS AS THE TRAIL NEXT, WE'VE GOT AN ADDITIONAL ACTION HERE, UM, IN 3.4 AROUND THAT LOW STRESS WALKING AND BICYCLING NETWORK. 
          A SUGGESTION TO DEVELOP AN UPDATED MAP TO AID IN THE PUBLICITY AND ACCESSIBILITY OF BIKE PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES AND OFFER WORKSHOPS TO SUPPORT RESIDENTS INCORPORATING MORE ACTIVE TRANSIT METHODS INTO THEIR COMMUTES AND DAILY LIVES. 
          THIS IS A DRUM THAT I HAVE BEAT AT PBAC BEFORE  IN PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          UM, BUT AS A SOMEWHAT NEW BIKE COMMUTER GOOGLE MAPS WAS KIND OF MY ONLY OPTION, AND I'D LOVE TO SEE SOME CITI CREATED BIKE PED. 
          UM, ESPECIALLY AS THE FACILITIES ARE COMING ONLINE AND READY FOR USE, GIVING THE PUBLIC A BETTER MAP, UM, THAT DOESN'T, OR, OR, OR THAT ALLOWS YOU TO SPLICE BETWEEN PROJECTED PLANNED AND INACTION  BECAUSE I THINK, UH, ONE OF THE MAPS THAT I HAD BEEN POINTED TO HAD A LOT OF, LIKE, THIS IS APPROVED OR THIS IS IN THE WORKS, BUT NOT BUILT YET. 
          SO WHEN I'M ACTUALLY TRYING TO PLAN A ROUTE TO WORK, IT DIDN'T HELP ME. 
          UM, AND I'LL THROW THIS ONE TO BLAKE. 
          SO FOR THIS ITEM, WE WERE LOOKING AT, UH, POLICY TP DASH 5.5 OF RESPONSIBILITY SUPPORT FOR LOCAL FREIGHT. 
          UH, THIS HAS COME UP IN MULTIPLE MEETINGS. 
          I KNOW THE COUNCIL MEMBER HAS BROUGHT THIS UP MULTIPLE TIMES, HAVING TO DO WITH WHERE WE HAVE OUR FREIGHT AND SHIPPING LANES THROUGHOUT THE CITY. 
          AND ONE THING THAT WE JUST WANTED TO UNDERSCORE THROUGH ACTION, 5.5 0.7 IS AT SPECIFICALLY DESIGNATING WHERE OUR SHIPPING ROUTES WOULD BE AND AVOIDING PAIRING PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE, UH, PEDESTRIAN BICYCLE INFRASTRUCTURE WITH THOSE ROUTES. 
          LIKE, LET'S, AS MUCH AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE, DIVERT FROM THAT KIND OF INTERSECTION AS IT SEEMS TO CREATE MORE ISSUES THAN GOOD. 
          AND REALLY TRYING TO NARROW DOWN WHAT OUR SHIPPING ROUTES LOOK LIKE AS A CITY. 
          I'LL THROW IT BACK TO YOU. 
          AND THEN JUST ONE LAST NOTE HERE IN TP SIX, TALKING ABOUT THE TIMELY AND EFFICIENT IMPLEMENTATION. 
          BRAVO FOR HAVING THIS SECTION AT ALL. 
          , LOVE TO SEE, UH, AN IMPLEMENTATION CONVERSATION. 
          UM, AND JUST ONE ADDITIONAL, UH, IDEA HERE FOR AN ACTION. 
          WHEN IT COMES TO ENGAGING RESIDENTS IN THE TRANSPORTATION PLANNING PROCESS, I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE LOCAL BIKE SHOPS, CYCLING CLUBS, WALKING, RUNNING GROUPS, INCLUSIVE MOBILITY ADVOCATES AND LOCAL ACTIVE TRANSIT ADVOCACY GROUPS. 
          AND YOU COULD PROBABLY ADD A FEW MORE TO, TO BOLSTER PUBLICITY EFFORTS AND SOLICIT STAKEHOLDER FEEDBACK. 
          UM, SO REALLY GETTING INTO THOSE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE ALREADY FIRED UP ON THESE ISSUES AND, AND USING THEIR NETWORKS TO BOTH, UM, YOU KNOW, HELP WITH THE ONBOARDING AS WELL AS THE FEEDBACK. 
          AND THAT WAS ALL WE HAD  ON TRANSPORTATION. 
          SO GOOD WORK AGAIN. 
          THANKS. 
          AND NOW WE WILL JUMP OVER TO PARKS, WHICH, HOW DO I, NOW I I'VE GOTTA SHARE SCREEN NOW. 
          SO YOU START YOUR PRESENTATION AND THEN HIT SHARE SCREEN. 
          GOT IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND SHARE THE SHARE VIDEO NOW I JUST NEED ZOOM TO ACTUALLY COME UP WHEN I DO THAT. 
          YEAH, THAT WOULD HELP, WOULDN'T IT? UM, HOLD ON. 
          I KNOW, I KNOW. 
          I GOT THIS. 
          IT'S FINE. 
          UM, HOLD ON, WE'RE GONNA GO TO SHARE SCREEN. 
          THERE IT IS. 
          OKAY. 
          YES, IT WOULD BE, SHOULD BE THIS ONE. 
          YES. 
          SHARE, YES. 
          GREAT. 
          AND THEN WE'LL GO TO AND THE RIGHT ONE. 
          WE ARE GREAT. 
          I HAVE OFFICIALLY LEARNED HOW TO USE POWERPOINT AND ZOOM TOGETHER. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I WILL SAY COMPARED TO TRANSIT WHERE WE HAD ALMOST NO NOTES BECAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE YEARS WORTH OF FIGHTS AND DISCUSSIONS HAD ALL BEEN SYNTHESIZED INTO ONE FRAMEWORK. 
          WE HAD A LOT OF NOTES ON THE PERKS FRAMEWORK AND IT'S ALL GREAT WORK. 
          WE JUST HAD SOME ADDITIONS AND SOME CHANGES WE'D LIKE TO SEE. 
          UH, WE CAN CERTAINLY SEE THE PASSION THAT WENT INTO THIS FRAMEWORK. 
          UH, THE FIRST POINT WE HAD WAS, LET ME JUST, AM I GOING TOO FAR? HOW DO I, HOW DO I GO BACK DIRECTION? THERE IT IS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I SPOKE TOO SOON WHEN I SAID I KNEW HOW TO DO THIS, NEVER AGAIN. 
          OKAY. 
          SO UNDER, UH, GOAL ONE, SPECIFICALLY UNDER, UH, ACTION P DASH 1.1 OR ADOPT A STRATEGIC PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN, WE WANTED TO SEE, UH, LANGUAGE TO CLARIFY THAT THE USE AND OR PROXIMITY OF OUR UNSHELTERED POPULATION CAN'T BE USED TO LOWER A PARK SCORE. 
          WE HAD SOME CONCERNS AROUND THE METRIC SYSTEM BEING USED TO MORE OR LESS PUNISH A PARK JUST BECAUSE OF ITS PROXIMITY TO OTHER ACTIVITIES GOING ON, RATHER THAN JUST WHAT 
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THE, THE ELEMENTS OF THE PARK ITSELF. 
          WE ALSO, UH, WANTED TO SEE ADDED LANGUAGE, AND THIS IS WHY WE'RE A LITTLE GENERAL WITH THIS FEEDBACK, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANNA WORDSMITH A METRIC SYSTEM THAT WE DIDN'T FULLY, FULLY UNDERSTAND, BUT WE WANTED TO SEE LANGUAGE THAT WOULD CLARIFY HOW, HOW THE VALUE AND USE OF EXPERIENCE-BASED MODEL WOULD ACTUALLY CONNECT COMPARED TO WHAT THE PARKS DEPARTMENT IS DOING. 
          NOW, IF ONLY BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE'S KIND OF A LIST OF BULLET POINTS AND THAT'S IT. 
          LEMME MAKE SURE I'VE, AND I KNEW I SKIPPED AHEAD. 
          UM, WE ALSO WANTED TO SEE LANGUAGE TO CLARIFY THAT THE POINTS-BASED METRIC ITEM WOULD, HOW IT WOULD BE USED IN PRACTICE. 
          'CAUSE THE OTHER THING WE NOTICED RIGHT AWAY IS HOW SOME OF THE, THE, THE LISTED BULLET POINTS IN THAT SECTION COULD BE USED TO CONTRADICT EACH OTHER. 
          HOW ARE THEY BEING WEIGHTED? WHAT IS GIVEN MORE IMPORTANCE THAN ANOTHER? AND WHY? UH, AS A QUICK NOTE, UH, WE'D LIKE TO SEE THE MENTAL HEALTH CONSIDERATION AND THE NATIVE PLANT RESTORATION IN TWO SEPARATE BULLET POINTS. 
          IT JUST SEEMS STRANGE TO US THAT THAT GOT LO KIND OF LOPPED TOGETHER AS IF THEY HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER. 
          AND THEN, UM, WE WANTED TO SEE AN ADDED BULLET POINT FOR THIS TALK ABOUT THE POPULATION OF SERVICE AREA, RATHER JUST RATHER THAN JUST IDENTIFYING A NEARBY NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT THIS TO TURN INTO SOME NEIGHBORHOODS HAVING A BETTER REPUTATION OR PERCEIVED MORE IMPORTANCE THAN ANOTHER. 
          AND WE WOULD RATHER LOOK AT SHEER VOLUME OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE SERVED BY THE PARK. 
          AND THEN MOVING ON TO POLICY 1.3, EXPAND PARKS AND OPEN SPACE THROUGHOUT DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL, UH, WE QUESTIONED IF THE THIRD BULLET POINT WOULD BE FEASIBLE OR AN OVERREACH FOR THE CITY, UH, ESPECIALLY AROUND, UH, HOW YOU'RE ARRANGING THESE DEALS WITH PRIVATE PROPERTY TO MAKE THEIR PATIOS OR MAKE THEIR PERCEIVED OPEN SPACE SUDDENLY SOMETHING THAT WE GOT TO CONTROL. 
          THIS SEEMED LIKE AN OVERREACH TO US, AND WE JUST WANTED SOME REAL CLARIFICATION ON HOW THAT WAS LEGALLY FEASIBLE. 
          UH, THIS ALSO CAME UP WITH P ACTION, UH, P DASH 1.3 0.2, WHERE IT SAYS, CONSIDERING ESTABLISHING REGULATIONS FOR ALLOWING THE DEVELOPMENT OF AND ENSURING ACCESS TO PRIVATELY OWNED, PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE OPEN SPACES, AGAIN, THAT SEEMED LIKE THE, THE CART WELL BEFORE THE HORSE WAS THAT AGREEMENT IN PLACE TO BEGIN WITH IS THE SOMETHING WHERE ASCRIBING TO AN AGREEMENT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN REACHED. 
          AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO THE CITY FIGURING THAT OUT. 
          WE JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND HOW THE CITY CAN ACTUALLY GET AWAY WITH DOING THAT. 
          UM, POLICY 1.3, EXPANDING PARKS AND OPEN SPACE TO DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL, SPECIFICALLY ACTION ITEM P 1.3 0.3, FIGURE ONE, TABLE ONE, UH, THAT HAD TO DO WITH POSSIBLE PARKS THAT WOULD BE EXPANDED. 
          WE NOTICED A LOT OF POSSIBLE PARKS ON THE WEST SIDE AND FAR LESS ON THE EAST SIDE. 
          NOW, WE DID HEAR IN THE PRESENTATION THAT THIS WAS NOT AN EXPANSIVE LIST, AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT MORE WILL BE ADDED, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT IN THE FRAMEWORK AT THE START OF THIS THAT WE'RE SHOWING LOVE AND ATTENTION TO BOTH SIDES OF TOWN, NOT THE LEAST OF WHICH THERE'S ALSO CENTRAL PETALUMA CONSIDER AS WELL. 
          OKAY, MOVING INTO GOAL TWO, AND SPECIFICALLY POLICY 2.1, EXPANDING JOINT USE AGREEMENTS WITH SCHOOL DISTRICTS. 
          WE LOVE THIS IDEA. 
          WE, WE'VE WANTED TO SEE MORE OF THIS THROUGHOUT THE FRAMEWORKS. 
          WE JUST WANNA KNOW HOW, HOW WILL THE LANGUAGE LOOK? WILL THERE BE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF SHARED MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY AND COSTS? WHAT WILL SECURITY LOOK LIKE IF WE'VE GOT FOLKS ON WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED SCHOOL PARKS WHERE THERE ARE KIDS? WE JUST WANTED TO HAVE THAT CLARIFIED AND SOME REFERENCE TO THAT IN THE LANGUAGE. 
          AND THEN, UH, POLICY P DASH 2.5, EVALUATE LANDSCAPE AND LIGHTING ASSESSMENT DISTRICTS. 
          UH, ON THIS ONE, WE WERE JUST WONDERING WHY THESE GOT GROUPED TOGETHER. 
          LIGHTING IS A MUCH LARGER ISSUE THAT WE HAVE GOING ON IN THE CITY, AND A LANDSCAPE LANDSCAPING ASSESSMENT SEEMS TO BE ITS OWN ISSUE ALTOGETHER. 
          WE WEREN'T SURE IF THAT WAS FUNCTIONALLY NEEDED BECAUSE IT WAS, UH, FOR FINANCIAL REASONS OR JUST BECAUSE OF HOW THAT'S NORMALLY ADDRESSED, BUT WE WANTED TO CALL THAT OUT SPECIFICALLY. 
          UH, POLICY, UH, P 3.1, OUR UPDATE, RIVER ACCESS ENHANCEMENT PLAN. 
          UH, WE WANTED TO SEE ADDED LANGUAGE FOR CONNECTING THIS WORK TO THE UPDATED IZO. 
          SO THERE'S REAL TEETH. 
          OUR LAST RIVER ENHANCEMENT ACCESS ENHANCEMENT PLAN WHILE FOLLOWED AS BEST THE CITY COULD, DIDN'T REALLY SEE A LOT OF CONNECTION TO THE IZO, SO WE WANTED TO CALL THAT OUT HERE. 
          UH, WE ALSO WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS A LINE ADDED THAT THIS WOULD FOLLOW PRESCRIPTIONS THAT WERE INTRODUCED BY OUR UPDATED FLOOD MODELING. 
          AND THEN, UH, POLICY 3.3 OR EXPLORING PUBLIC MULTI-USE SMALL CRAFT FACILITIES. 
          UH, WE FIGURED IT'D BE GOOD TO ADD LANGUAGE ABOUT REACHING OUT SPECIFICALLY TO THE BOATHOUSE AND OTHER COMMUNITY BOATING COMMUNITY GROUPS 
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THAT, UH, WORK ARE ACTIVE WITHIN THE CITY, JUST TO SEE WHERE THAT EXPANSION CAN BEST TAKE PLACE. 
          AND THEN, UH, POLICY 4.3 REQUIRE TRAIN AND PATHWAY RIGHTS OF WAY. 
          UH, WE ABSOLUTELY AGREED WITH THE SENTIMENT OF THIS ITEM THAT, UH, YOU WANT TO PROTECT THE CHARACTER OF TRAILS AND PATHWAYS IN THE CITY THAT ALREADY EXIST. 
          WHAT WE WERE NERVOUS BY WAS HOW GENERAL THE LANGUAGE ENDED UP BEING BASED ON THE LANGUAGE AS IT IS RIGHT NOW. 
          YOU CAN IMPLY ANY DEVELOPMENT OR ANY CHANGE WHATSOEVER COULD CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE TRAIL. 
          SO WE'D LIKE IT TO BE MORE SPECIFIC SO THAT WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT INFRINGING THE TRAIL AND NOT TALKING ABOUT JUST NEGATING ANYTHING THAT MIGHT COME NEAR THE TRAIL BECAUSE IT AT ALL CHANGES THE, THE VIEWPOINT FROM THAT TRAIL. 
          AND THEN, UH, FOUR POINTS. 
          UH, POLICY 4.7 PROVIDES SAFE AND HIGH QUALITY PUBLIC, UH, PUBLIC TRAILS. 
          UM, THIS, THIS KIND OF DOVETAILS OFF OF THE POINT THAT WAS RAISED IN THE, UH, TRANSIT FRAMEWORK, WHICH IS HAVING MORE LANGUAGE AROUND, UH, WHAT GOES INTO, UH, TRAIL, TRAIL SAFETY MEASURES WHEN IT COMES TO BEING INTERRUPTED BY AUTOMOBILE TRAFFIC. 
          WE HAVE SOME TRAILS THAT ALMOST NEVER HIT A NORMAL STREET, BUT THE ONES THAT DO, IT'S, IT'S QUITE A HAZARDOUS DISCONNECT TO GO FROM TRAIL TO STREET TO TRAIL AND DEAL WITH OUR AUTOMOBILE TRAFFIC. 
          WE WANTED TO SEE MORE LANGUAGE IN THIS SECTION, TALKING ABOUT WHAT THAT SAFETY WOULD LOOK LIKE NOW, MOVING TO GOAL, UH, POLICY FIVE OR GOAL FIVE, AND LOOKING AT, UH, POLICY 5.5 OR PRIORITIZING A ACCESS TO MAINTENANCE, AND SPECIFICALLY ACTION 5.5 OR 5.5 0.1. 
          UH, WE HAD QUESTIONS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THIS WOULD END UP BEING REDUNDANT. 
          SO THE METRIC SYSTEM IS DISCUSSED AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS POLICY FRAMEWORK. 
          IT GOES INTO GREAT DETAIL AS TO HOW PARKS WILL BE RANKED. 
          AND THEN THE SECONDARY ITEM COMES INTO PLAY TO TALK ABOUT HOW MAINTENANCE IS GONNA BE RANKED AND HOW, AND IT'S VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE INTRODUCTORY MA UH, METRICS SYSTEM. 
          SO WE WANTED A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THAT CONTRADICTION WOULDN'T CREATE ANY PROBLEMS, OR AT LEAST WOULDN'T BE REDUNDANT. 
          AND THEN FOR POLICY 5.7, THE INTEGRATION OF SMART TECHNOLOGY, THE LANGUAGE IS PRETTY GENERAL. 
          WE WANTED TO FLAG CONCERNS AROUND THIS TURNING INTO SURVEILLANCE. 
          WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE WANT OUR PARKS TO BE WELL MAINTAINED AND WELL SECURED WE, BUT WE ALSO WANT SOME GUIDEPOSTS AROUND HOW CAMERAS AND RECORDING IS USED SO THAT WE'RE ALSO NOT TURNING OURSELVES INTO A-C-C-T-V KIND OF SITUATION. 
          AND THEN THAT'S, I'LL PASS THIS OVER TO JESSICA. 
          OKIE DOKIE. 
          UM, SO IN TO P SIX ON THRIVING URBAN FOREST. 
          MORE DISCUSSION QUESTIONS HERE. 
          UM, AS WE WERE SORT OF TURNING THESE THOUGHTS AROUND IN OUR MIND, AND I, I, I TEND TO AGREE WITH WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM SOME OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS THAT PERHAPS THIS WOULD BE BETTER SUITED IN NATURAL ENVIRONMENT INSTEAD OF PARKS. 
          UM, BUT AT P 6.1 0.6 THERE WAS THE NOTE OF, OR THE, THE ACTION OF REQUIRE STREET TREES AS PART OF ALL STREET PROJECTS. 
          UM, THAT JUST SEEMED A BIT BROAD AND STRINGENT. 
          UM, SO WANTED TO POTENTIALLY READDRESS THAT LANGUAGE SO THAT THERE'S JUST A, A BIT MORE, I DON'T WANNA SAY FLEXIBILITY, BUT, UM, THAT IT'S NOT TOO, TOO STRINGENT. 
          UM, 6.2 ESTABLISH A COMPREHENSIVE AND ACCURATE BASELINE DATA SET, YET ANOTHER METRIC, UM, THAT IS SORT OF SUGGESTED HERE IN THIS FRAMEWORK. 
          AND IT JUST FELT LIKE IT WAS GETTING A LITTLE HEAVY ON THE METRICS. 
          UM, AND, YOU KNOW, AS, AS DATA DRIVEN AS WE WANNA BE, UM, THEY NEED TO SORT OF WORK IN CONCERT AND ACTUALLY BE MEANINGFUL. 
          SO, UH, A QUESTION HERE ABOUT DOES THIS SORT OF FURTHER COMPLICATE THE OTHER METRICS SUGGESTED IN THIS FRAMEWORK? 6.3 0.2, UM, IS A LONGER ACTION THAT INCLUDES THE PHRASE APPROPRIATE LEVELS TO SUPPORT THE CITY'S TREE PRESERVATION EFFORTS. 
          WASN'T SURE IF THIS WAS PERHAPS PREMATURE GIVEN THAT WE'RE STILL SORT OF WAITING ON THAT UPDATED ORDINANCE. 
          AND AGAIN, UM, DOES THIS BELONG IN PARKS? AND I, MY SUGGESTION WOULD, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE OTHER COMMITTEE SUGGESTIONS WERE TO POTENTIALLY MOVE THIS TO NATURAL ENVIRONMENT. 
          UM, AND THEN ONE MORE HERE IN SIX, UH, 6.3 0.4 UPDATES, STREET SCAPE STANDARDS. 
          AND AGAIN, THIS WAS ONE THAT FELT A LITTLE STRINGENT AND BROAD, UM, THAT I THINK COULD USE A BIT MORE, UM, CLARIFICATION INTO GOAL SEVEN, EQUITY FOCUSED FACILITIES AND PROGRAMS. UM, JUST A LITTLE WORDSMITHING HERE TO INCLUDE ADDITIONAL AREAS OF, UM, THAT SORT OF INCLUSION, UH, ADDING RELIGION, COUNTRY OF ORIGIN AND CULTURE AS A SUGGESTION HERE IN ADDITION TO GENDER, PRIMARY LANGUAGE, ET CETERA. 
          AND THEN ONE MORE LITTLE ADDITION HERE IN SEVEN. 
          UM, IN ADDITION TO OFFERING PROGRAMMING 
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AND PROVIDE PROMOTIONAL MATERIALS AND RESOURCES, ALSO REGISTRATION FORMS AND OTHER TEXT IN SPANISH. 
          UM, AND HERE AT THE YOUTH ENGAGEMENT AND PROGRAMMING, A SUGGESTION, UM, TO JUST SORT OF CALL OUT SPECIFICALLY HERE, UM, THAT THE CITY WOULD CONTINUE TO DEVELOP AND MAINTAIN TOT LOTS, PLAYGROUNDS, BALL FIELDS, AND OTHER RECREATION FACILITIES FOR A WIDE RANGE OF AGES, ABILITIES AND SENSORY EXPERIENCES AND SPELLING THAT OUT A BIT MORE CLEARLY IN THIS GOAL. 
          AND THEN INTO A PROPOSED ADDITIONAL ACTION HERE UNDER SUPPORT SENIOR PROGRAMMING, UM, UH, UH, ISSUE WE'VE HEARD COME UP FROM OUR , OUR MVP, UH, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT OR RETURN COMMISSIONER TO EXPLORE DEVELOPING OUTDOOR ADULT AND SENIOR FITNESS PARKS. 
          UM, AS AN ADDITION TO THIS, UM, SECTION ON SENIOR PROGRAMMING. 
          AND THEN INTO GOAL EIGHT. 
          UM, THE, UH, 8.1, ENSURE CARBON NEUTRAL PARKS AND OPEN SPACES. 
          UM, JUST IN ADDITION HERE IN, IN ADDITION TO DEVELOPING A SHADE COVERAGE STANDARD TO INCREASE TREE CANOPY AND OR SHADE STRUCTURES, I THINK WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE, UM, SHADE'S NOT ALWAYS GONNA BE FROM A TREE CANOPY. 
          UM, AND THEN ALSO ADDING THE NOTION OF USING SUSTAINABLE AS WELL AS DURABLE AND LOCAL MATERIALS. 
          AND THAT'S IT. 
          DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? WE'VE GONE THROUGH TWO FRAMEWORKS, SO IT'S FREE GAME FOR EVERYBODY. 
          DARREN, UH, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU GUYS FOR PUTTING THAT PRESENTATION TOGETHER AND DOING THE DEEP DIVE, UH, ON TRANSPORTATION. 
          UH, MAYBE KELLY'S STILL WITH US. 
          JUST, UH, WANTED A QUICK DESCRIPTION OF TDM, UH, TRANSPORTATION DEMAND MANAGEMENT. 
          I KNOW THAT'S A BIG SUITE OF SOLUTIONS. 
          IF WE HAVE ANY IDEA OF WHAT, UH, WHAT WE HAD IN MIND FOR THAT, OR SOME EXAMPLES SURE. 
          UM, MATT, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO THAT? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE, IF PARTICULAR ONES IN MIND THAT YOU'VE SPOKEN WITH STAFF ABOUT? UM, HI COMMISSIONERS. 
          UM, NOTHING, UH, NO SPECIFICS. 
          LIKE THE GENERAL PLAN IS, YOU KNOW, SETTING THE, THE VISION TO HAVE TDM FOR NEW DEVELOPMENTS AND FOR, YOU KNOW, EXISTING BUSINESSES WHERE APPLICABLE. 
          UM, BUT THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE THROUGH A SEPARATE POLICY ORDINANCE ADOPTION. 
          UM, AND, YOU KNOW, SCTA HAS, HAS GUIDANCE ON THAT. 
          NPC HAS GUIDANCE ON, ON KIND OF BEST PRACTICES FOR TDM. 
          SO THAT CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, KIND THE DETAILS OF THAT COULD BE WORKED OUT, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THAT FUTURE IMPLEMENTATION. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          AND THEN ALSO FOR TRANSPORTATION. 
          I, I REALLY LIKE THAT THE FRAMEWORK'S ROBUST HAS A LOT OF EXAMPLES, ESPECIALLY AT THE END. 
          WE HAVE AN PREVIEW OF COMING ATTRACTIONS ALMOST. 
          UM, YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I, I DIDN'T SEE A TON OF REFERENCE TO THE A TP OTHER THAN IT'S LIKE A PARALLEL DOCUMENT. 
          I'M WONDERING IF IT'S WORTH REFERENCING THE A TP AS KIND OF OUR MASTER PLAN FOR ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION. 
          I MEAN, I THINK IT'S OKAY TO JUST REPEAT THINGS THAT ARE PROBABLY SHOWING UP IN BOTH POLICIES, BUT IF YOU CAN JUST TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT THAT OVERLAP AND HOW WE ADDRESS IT, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH REFERENCE, JUST REPETITION, UH, OR IF WE THINK WE KIND OF GOT THAT MIX ALREADY. 
          YEAH, I THINK THE DOCUMENTS WILL SERVE, THEY'LL, THEY'LL COMPLIMENT EACH OTHER BUT SERVE DIFFERENT PURPOSES. 
          SO THE INTENT OF THE TRANSPORTATION FRAMEWORK IS REALLY POLICY FOCUSED AND VISIONING. 
          AND THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN IS MEANT TO BE MORE PROJECT SPECIFIC. 
          AND WE'D LIKE TO DO AND PRIORITIZE THIS, THIS TRAIL IMPROVEMENT ON THIS IN THIS SECTION, AND HERE'S HOW MUCH IT MIGHT COST WITH NOT A SPECIFIC DOLLAR AMOUNTS, BUT $2 SIGNS, $4 SIGNS, UM, AND POSSIBLE FUNDING MECHANISM. 
          SO MORE GRANULAR AND SPECIFIC IN THE A TP. 
          SO BOTH OF THEM WILL DEFINITELY REFERENCE EACH OTHER, BUT THEY WILL SERVE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT PURPOSES FOR THE CITY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS FOR THAT. 
          AND IF IT'S OKAY WITH THE CHAIR AND THE COMMISSION, I'LL JUST GIVE ALL MY COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS AND EVERYTHING. 
          JUST, UM, I'M DONE ON BOTH FRAMEWORKS. 
          UH, I THINK FOR TRANSPORTATION, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING, I WAS JUST AT A RECENT, UH, CHAMBER OF COMMERCE MEETING AND THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT TRANSPORTATION AND PRIORITIZING MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION. 
          AND I WOULD SAY, UM, TO CONSIDER IMPACTS ON BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTS WHO RELY ON CAR TRANSPORTATION. 
          AND WHEN I SAY THAT JUST TO, WHEN WE FRAME MULTIMODAL DISCUSSIONS, UM, I DUNNO, MAYBE WE HAVE TO CREATE A HIERARCHY, BUT DOING SOMETHING TO SAY, LOOK, WE'RE GONNA PRIORITIZE OTHER THAN CAR TRANSPORTATION JUST AS MUCH, BUT NOT HAVE NEGATIVE IMPACTS. 
          AND MAYBE THAT'S IMPLICIT IN OUR 
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PLANNING. 
          IT'S LIKE, NO, WE KIND OF WANT SOME NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON CAR TRANSPORTATION TO LESSEN THE AMOUNT OF IT, BUT THERE ARE CONCERNS FROM BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND RESIDENTS WHO, WHO ARE WORRIED ABOUT THAT PRIORITIZATION, UH, WHILE WE'RE PURSUING OTHER GOALS. 
          UM, IT, IT WAS REALLY SURPRISING THAT CHORUS KIND OF CAME OUT ONCE SOME PEOPLE MENTIONED IT. 
          UH, I, I WAS SURPRISED TO SEE THAT. 
          SO I THINK FOCUSING ON QUALITY OF LIFE, WHICH I DO SEE IN HERE IS A BIG PART OF THAT IS MAKING SURE A LOT OF THAT DISCUSSION IS CENTERED AROUND QUALITY OF LIFE. 
          WE'RE NOT LOSING ANYTHING. 
          UM, LIKE I SAID, I DO SEE THAT IN THERE, BUT, UH, JUST WANT TO, TO ELEVATE THAT, THAT LANGUAGE AROUND THAT. 
          UH, AND THEN FOR THE PARKS, UH, FRAMEWORK, I DID ALREADY GET INPUT ON THIS, ON TREE COMMITTEE. 
          UM, I'LL JUST SAY THAT ACTUALLY THEY HIGHLIGHTED, UH, P 5.7, INTEGRATING SMART TECHNOLOGY, A LITTLE WARY OF THAT WHEN IT COMES TO PARKS, UM, FUNDING STRATEGIES. 
          THAT WAS A QUESTION THAT CAME UP FROM THE PARKS COMMITTEE. 
          YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE THIS IS SOMEONE, UH, WITH PARKS WHO CAN, WHO CAN CLARIFY RIGHT NOW FUNDS COLLECTED FROM LIKE RENTAL OF BALL FIELDS, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          IS THAT GOING INTO A DEDICATED PARKS FUND THAT CAN GO INTO IMPROVEMENTS? OR HOW IS THE FUND OR ANY FUNDS SEGREGATED FOR PARKS? HOW DOES THAT WORK? BECAUSE I KNOW THERE WAS SOME CONCERN ABOUT MAKING SURE THERE WAS, THERE WAS A SEPARATE PARKS FUND THAT THEY COULD BUDGET FOR AND, AND ALLOCATE FOR PROJECTS. 
          UH, I'M, I CAN GIVE YOU WHAT I CAN GIVE YOU OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. 
          AND THEN, UM, SO WHAT I AM MOST FAMILIAR WITH ARE THE DEVELOPMENT IMPACTS FEES THAT ARE PARK SPECIFIC. 
          SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE THREE DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES. 
          ONE IS, UM, OPEN SPACE ACQUISITION, ONE IS PARKLAND ACQUISITION, AND ONE IS PARKLAND DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO THOSE ARE THREE DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES THAT WE COLLECT FOR ALL NEW DEVELOPMENT BASED ON SQUARE, THE LAND USE AND THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OR THE NUMBER OF UNITS. 
          UM, AND THOSE FUNDS, UM, THEY'RE EACH DONE A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY. 
          I THINK THE OPEN SPACE ACQUISITION FUND IS BASED ON THE ACQUISITION OF A CERTAIN NUMBER OF ACRES TO HIT OUR DESIRED ACREAGE PER RESIDENT OF OUR POPULATION. 
          SO THERE'S SOME, UM, REFERENCE THE SPECIFIC PRO UH, PROPOSED PARKS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED IN THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          AND SO THERE WAS SOME, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE NEXUS STUDY WAS DONE, IT WAS AROUND, HEY, HERE'S OUR PROPOSED PARKS AND, AND SO SOME COSTS AROUND THAT AND THROUGH THAT NEXT STUDY. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE FUNDING SOURCES I CAN SPEAK TO OFF THE TOP. 
          I, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE ABOUT THINGS LIKE FEES FROM, AND MAYBE THAT'S THE BETTER COMMENT I COULD CRAFT HERE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING IN HERE ABOUT EXISTING REVENUE GENERATION FROM PARKS BE PUT ASIDE AND DEDICATED TO PARK IMPROVEMENTS AND MAINTENANCE. 
          UM, IF THAT'S NOT ALREADY HAPPENING, IT MAY BE THAT'S ALREADY HAPPENING. 
          AND IF DREW WERE HERE, HE COULD CORRECT ME. 
          BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE SOME IDEA TO CONSIDER THAT. 
          UM, THEN WITHIN PARKS, WE ALSO OBVIOUSLY HAVE MENTIONED OF THE RIVER. 
          THERE IS NO MENTION THAT I SAW OF THE TRESTLE. 
          WAS THAT DEEMED JUST A PROJECT THAT'S TOO UP IN THE AIR TO PUT INTO THE GENERAL PLAN AT THIS POINT? 'CAUSE I MEAN OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T EVEN OWN IT YET. 
          UH, WHAT WERE THE THOUGHTS AROUND INCLUDING THE TRESTLE OR NOT IF THERE WAS DISCUSSION AROUND THAT? I DON'T KNOW IF I REMEMBER A SPECIFIC DISCUSSION AROUND THE TRESTLE. 
          UM, RON, DO YOU, IN THE, IN TERMS OF THE GENERAL PLAN, I KNOW WE'VE BEEN HAVING A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT IT RELATED TO OTHER, OTHER THINGS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, EVALUATION AND GETTING IT, UM, SHOVEL READY AND FUNDING AND SOME OF THOSE THINGS OUTSIDE OF THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          BUT I DON'T KNOW SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          ALSO, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THE TRESTLE WOULD BE INFRASTRUCTURE, WOULDN'T IT? IT'S AN ADDITION TO THE DOWNTOWN. 
          IT'S NOT AN ADDITIONAL PARK SPACE THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE THOUGHT ABOUT IT AS A PARK SPACE. 
          IT IS, UH, PUBLIC SPACE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I MEAN, SAME WAY AS PUTNAM PLAZA IS A PARK AND IT'S A DOWNTOWN PLAZA THAT THEORETICALLY THE TRESTLE IS A, IS A COMMUNITY AREA, PUBLIC ACCESS, WALKING, BIKING. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT IN TERMS OF WHAT IT IS, ADDING THE TRESTLE ACTUALLY MEANS, LIKE, IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE DOING, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE CLEARING A PARK OR MAKING SURE THIS FLAT PIECE OF LAND IS TURNED INTO A RECREATIONAL SPACE. 
          WE'RE REPLACING AND RESTORING A VITAL PIECE OF WHAT USED TO BE TRANSIT. 
          TRANSIT INFRASTRUCTURE, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          IT WAS TRANSIT. 
          SO, SO LIKE FROM A FUNDING PERSPECTIVE, WOULDN'T THAT BE A VERY DIFFERENT THING FROM A FUNDING 
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PERSPECTIVE? YES. 
          THE TRESTLE IS NOT IDENTIFIED IN OUR GENERAL PLAN AS A PARK FOR ACQUISITION AND FUNDING THROUGH ANY OF OUR SO, SO NOT PERTINENT UNDER THIS PETALUMA RIVER RECREATION. 
          TOTALLY UNDERSTOOD. 
          UM, AND, AND I, I AGREE WITH THAT. 
          AND SO MAYBE THAT'S A FLOATING COMMENT TO THE TEAM WORKING ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE PIECE IS, IS HOW WE THINK ABOUT THE TRESTLE. 
          UH, I JUST WANT TO, OKAY, SO THAT REALLY COVERS A LOT OF CUT OFF BY MIC. 
          IS IS THERE A MIC CONSPIRACY? 'CAUSE THIS HAS BEEN HAPPENING TO MULTIPLE MEMBERS OVER TIME. 
          I, I, I'M NOT SURE. 
          I THINK IT'S A SIGN FROM THE UNIVERSE THAT WE'RE TOO CLOSE TO 11. 
          UM, REALLY QUICK THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, I'VE GOTTEN ONE BITE OF THE APP, BUT I'LL JUST SAY FOR THE COMMENT POINTS, THE AD HOC BROUGHT UP, UH, I DO FIRMLY THINK THAT THRIVING URBAN FOREST BELONGS IN NATURAL RESOURCES TO SPEAK TO POLICY 6.2, ESTABLISH AN URBAN FOREST DATASET. 
          THAT'S ALREADY HAPPENING. 
          THAT'S PART OF THE GRANT THAT WE HAVE TO IMPLEMENT OUR UFMP, UH, THE TP, THE TREE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE IS PART OF THAT PROCESS AS WELL. 
          THIS IS ALL KIND OF ONE BIG URBAN FORESTRY INITIATIVE. 
          SO THAT'S ALREADY HAPPENING, WHICH IS NICE. 
          UH, SO I THINK IT'S WORTH REFERENCING THERE. 
          AND THEN POLICY 6.3, I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PIECES REALLY. 
          UH, AND THIS GOES TO ESTABLISHING A CULTURE, ESTABLISHING STAFF CAPACITY TO MANAGE URBAN FORESTRY RESOURCES. 
          UM, AND THE TREE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE IS KIND OF IN PARALLEL RELATED TO THIS PROCESS, BUT THIS IS REALLY A, AN INTEGRAL PART OF KIND OF THE FUTURE OF URBAN FORESTRY MANAGEMENT AND PETALUMA. 
          SO I'LL SAY MY, MY PIECE ON THOSE DISCUSSION POINTS, AND THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. 
          UM, I, COUPLE COMMENTS. 
          UM, I DIDN'T SEE THAT THERE WAS LIKE THE POOL FOR AQUATICS IN THIS. 
          DID I, WAS IT MISSING? I COULDN'T HEAR YOU. 
          WOULD YOU? IT'S AQUATICS IN THE PARKS. 
          OH, WAS THAT, I'M NOT SURE IF I READ THAT ANYWHERE. 
          I THINK THERE WAS, I THINK THERE IS A POLICY UNDER AQUATICS. 
          YES. 
          IT'S 9.3. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND LAFFERTY RANCH HAS NOT, I DIDN'T READ THAT EITHER. 
          IT'S A PARK, IT IS IN PARKS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OKAY, WELL THAT'S IN PARKS. 
          UM, BUT IT WASN'T ON THE MAP OF PARKS, I DON'T BELIEVE. 
          UM, AND THEN I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT, UM, FUNDING AND, YOU KNOW, AND JUST, UM, HOW WE CAN INCORPORATE AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE KIND OF MISSED THE BOAT A LOT OF TIMES, YOU KNOW, ON THE FUNDING. 
          BUT IF, UM, LIKE IN THE PAST IF WE HAD, UM, ASSESSED A RIVERFRONT AND ASSESSED, UM, CORY HEIGHTS, YOU KNOW, CAULFIELD PROBABLY WOULD'VE BEEN FUNDED BY NOW. 
          SO HOW CAN, IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN PUT LANGUAGE IN THERE TO LOOK AT ASSESSMENT DISTRICTS OR FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT FOR TRANSPORTATION AND PARKS AND EVERYTHING ELSE? BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS HOW, YOU KNOW, WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT ALL THIS STUFF, BUT WHERE THE FUNDING AND SO WITHOUT THE FUNDING, EVERYTHING SOUNDS REALLY GREAT. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT DULY NOTED. 
          OKAY. 
          HOW ABOUT THAT ? YEAH. 
          AND IS THERE A LANGUAGE THAT CAN BE PUT IN THE GENERAL PLAN FOR WHAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE? WELL, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WILL HAPPEN OUT OF THE GENERAL PLAN, AND IT HAPPENED AFTER THE 2008 GENERAL PLAN, IS LOOKING AT SOME OF THOSE LARGE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS AND LOOKING AT OUR FEE, DOING A NEW NEXUS STUDY BASED ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE CALLED FOR IN THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          AND, UM, DEVELOPING UPDATED DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES. 
          UM, SO THAT'S ONE, ONE ASPECT OF IT. 
          IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE ONLY ASPECT OF IT. 
          AND ONE OF THE THINGS WITH OUR PREVIOUSLY PREVIOUS GENERAL PLAN IS ALMOST THE ENTIRETY OF A LOT OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE AS A COMMUNITY WAS SOLELY TO BE FUNDED BY DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND SO THAT, WELL, THAT'S WHY I'M KIND OF BRINGING THIS UP TO REALLY GIVE THE EXPLANATION OF WHY WE DON'T HAVE THESE DOLLARS TODAY. 
          IT'S BECAUSE WE DIDN'T THINK AHEAD. 
          AND THE OTHER THING IS, WHEN CORONA WAS TAKEN OUT OF THE GENERAL PLAN, WHICH IT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN, THAT PROBABLY WOULD'VE HAD FUNDING TODAY AND IT WOULD'VE BEEN A NEW UPGRADED, AT LEAST CROSSING AND LOWERED BECAUSE A, A TRAIN USED TO GO UNDER THERE. 
          SO THAT'S WHY IT'S SO HIGH. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN I LOOK AT ALL OF THIS, I'M JUST THINKING HOW IS THIS ALL GONNA BE FUNDED? AND IF WE DON'T LEARN FROM THE PAST, YOU KNOW, WE, WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, LIKE TONIGHT, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT AND IT WOULD, MIGHT, MAY NOT 
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HAVE BEEN A NEXUS FOR CAULFIELD, BUT THERE, IT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, IT'S A LOT OF IMPACTS. 
          AND IT SEEMS AS THOUGH WE JUST PUT THINGS IN THE GENERAL PLAN, BUT WE NEVER HAVE THE FUNDING MECHANISM TO DO IT. 
          AND THAT IS ALWAYS A CONCERN BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE $30 MILLION SHORT ON SOMETHING, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY. 
          AND SO I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT, UM, WE ADDRESS FUNDING AND ACTUALLY MAKE IT SO IT WORKS. 
          AND IT'S NOT JUST IMPACT FEES. 
          'CAUSE IMPACT FEES DON'T NECESSARILY WORK. 
          AND YOU KNOW, YOU USED TO HAVE REDEVELOPMENT FUND AND THERE WAS THIS WHOLE MECHANISM TO PAY FOR STUFF AND THEN THAT'S GONE AND WE NEVER REALLY BACKFILLED IT, UM, WITH, UM, CREATIVE WAYS. 
          AND TODAY, UM, YOU KNOW, CORONA AND CAULFIELD WOULD'VE BEEN FUNDED AND PROBABLY ONE OF THEM BUILT. 
          AND THE OTHER ONE, PROB BOTH OF THEM WERE PROBABLY BUILT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO ALWAYS LOOK AT THE FUNDING. 
          'CAUSE IT ALL SOUNDS LIKE GREAT FLUFF. 
          UM, BUT THERE'S THE REALITY AND, BUT I LIKE THE FLUFF , SO, AND I LIKE THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE GOING, BUT, UM, IT'S JUST IMPORTANT TO PUT THAT IN OUR HEADS. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, THAT'S ALL. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I, ROGER, DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION? PLEASE EXTEND THIS MEETING OR DO WE THINK WE'RE GONNA BE DONE? I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE DONE. 
          WE'RE ALMOST, WE'RE ALMOST THERE. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          ROGER. 
          UM, YEAH, WITH THE TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE IS REFERENCES TO NETWORKS, CONNECTIONS AND NETWORKS, BIKES, PEDESTRIAN, UH, GREEN STREETS. 
          I'M, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT MEANS FROM, FROM THE, FROM THAT, UH, DESCRIPTION. 
          BUT ALL THESE, I MEAN ALL THESE CONNECTIONS TO ME GO TO STREETS. 
          WE ALREADY HAVE THIS, THE CONNECTIONS WE HAVE MOST OF THE CONNECTIONS, THERE'S A FEW TRAILS WE, WE WE NEED. 
          BUT MOST OF THE CONNECTIONS ARE POSSIBLE THROUGH THE STREETS, PEDESTRIAN, BIKE TRAIL. 
          AND YET WE DON'T TALK ABOUT IMPROVING THOSE STREETS. 
          WE DON'T TALK ABOUT USING THEM AS A CONNECTOR. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , WE DON'T TALK ABOUT HOW THEY CONNECT TO EVERYTHING WE WANT TO. 
          SO I'M, I'M, I'M A MYSTERY WHY TRANSPORTATION. 
          WE MEET, WE MISS THE STREETS IN PARKS. 
          WE MISS THE STREETS. 
          'CAUSE NOBODY WANTS TO DEAL WITH THE STREETS IN THE PARK BUDGET. 
          UM, SO I'M, I'M CONFUSED. 
          WHAT, HOW DO WE DEAL WITH THESE NETWORK? WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT THAT WE DID DRASTICALLY NEED TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OUT OF SO THAT THEY WORK FOR PEDESTRIANS, SHADE WALKWAYS, PEDESTRIAN COMFORT, BIKE TRAILS. 
          I MEAN, THESE CORRIDORS NEED TO BE IMPROVED TO SERVE EVERYTHING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT THEY'RE NOT DEALT WITH. 
          SO I'M NOT SURE HOW SOMETHING'S MISSING. 
          SOMETHING'S MISSING EITHER. 
          WE'RE AVOIDING THE STREET TREE. 
          WE'RE AVOIDING WHO'S RESPONSIBLE. 
          IT'S A HUGE COST. 
          I KNOW IT'S A BIG INVESTMENT, BUT HOW, WHY AREN'T WE USING THE NETWORKS THAT ARE ALREADY EXIST? WE'RE NOT GONNA BUILD A NEW NETWORK SOMEWHERE THAT DOESN'T HAVE A STREET RIGHT OF WAY. 
          'CAUSE THERE'S DEVELOPMENT. 
          WHY ARE WE NOT TALKING ABOUT IMPROVING OUR STREET TREES? AND IT COULD BE DONE IN ITS INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          IT COULD BE, I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE IN PARKS. 
          IT SHOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A PARK REQUIREMENT, BUT IT DOES CONNECT THE PARKS. 
          BUT I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A SEPARATE DIVISION DEPARTMENT THAT SAYS STREET BOULEVARDS. 
          AND THERE ARE NOT PROJECT BY PROJECT OR BLOCK BY BLOCK, BUT THERE'S STREET ENTIRETY MASTER PLAN. 
          UM, I'M NOT SURE WHERE THAT'S BEST TO FIT OR IF IT, IF IT DOESN'T FIT ANYWHERE, WE DON'T DO IT. 
          WE, WE CONTINUE TO LIVE WITH CRAPPY STREETS, CRAPPY CONDITIONS FOR PEDESTRIANS. 
          AND WE KEEP TALK TALKING ABOUT BITTER NETWORKS. 
          AND SO, UH, FILL ME IN ON WHAT AM WHAT AM I MISSING? AND CHAIR HOOPER. 
          I MEAN, JUST WHEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN, UM, WE WERE LOOKING AT JUST THE BIKE NECK WHERE IT'S ON THE EAST SIDE, WE'RE DRIVING AROUND ON OUR BIKES AND ALL THE, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU KNOW, THE TRAIL ENDS, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE LYNCH CREEK TRAIL THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          SO THOSE NETWORKS ARE ACTUALLY BEING EVALUATED AND LOOKING FOR THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION, YOU KNOW, PLAN TO BE COMPLETED. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT, WHAT'S BEING LOOKED AT IS HOW WE ACTUALLY INTERCONNECT ALL THOSE TRAILS THAT JUST END. 
          AND THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF THEM IN THIS TOWN AND I THINK THAT THEY'RE, THEY'VE BEEN, UM, UH, NOTED. 
          NO, I, I AGREE. 
          I AGREE. 
          THERE ARE TRAILS, BUT THE, THE GREATEST PREPONDERANCE OF CONNECTIONS 
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IS THE ROADS. 
          SO I, AND SO WHY AREN'T WE TRYING TO EMPHASIZE THE QUALITY OF THOSE CONNECTIONS IN THE ROADS THAT, I MEAN, TO A CERTAIN DEGREE THAT'S, THAT'S IN THERE. 
          AND THAT, THAT ALSO GOES BACK TO THE, ACTUALLY I THINK YOUR QUESTION HELPS ANSWER THE CONCERN THAT DARREN RAISED, WHICH HAS TO DO WITH, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHERE'S THE, WHERE THE STREETS DISCUSSED THE ACTUAL ROADS. 
          THAT'S WHY THE PLAN TALKS ABOUT HIERARCHY OF USE BECAUSE WHAT IS STREETS GONNA GET IN TERMS OF, IS THIS FOR BUS TRANSIT? IS THIS FOR BICYCLE TRANSIT? IS IT FOR PEDESTRIAN? IS IT REGARDS IS UP FOR ALL FOUR AND IN WHAT ORDER? THAT'S GONNA HELP DETERMINE MAINTENANCE. 
          THAT'S GONNA HELP DETERMINE LONG-TERM USE. 
          THAT'S WHY THAT KIND OF POLICY IS SO IMPORTANT BECAUSE YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IN AN AREA UNLESS YOU KNOW THE HIERARCHY OF D OF, OF PRIORITY FOR THOSE KIND OF ACTIVE MOBILITY. 
          WHETHER IT'S ON A CAR, ON FOOT, ON A BIKE AND A BUS. 
          WHICH ONE, WHICH ONE SHOULD THE, WHICH STREET SHOULD IT BE? RIGHT. 
          AND THAT'S WHY IT COMES UP IN THE FRAMEWORK. 
          THE FRAMEWORK'S JOB IS NOT TO SAY THIS STREET VERSUS THAT STREET, IT'S TO INTRODUCE THAT POLICY NEEDS TO BE CREATED. 
          WE'RE ONE OF A HANDFUL OF CITIES WHO DON'T HAVE THAT POLICY AND WE NEED IT ALL. 
          AND WE NEED A MASTER PLAN. 
          AND STREET CORRIDORS, STREET CONNECTORS, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH 'EM. 
          WELL, I, THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF WHAT COMES OUTTA THAT POLICY PROCESS, RIGHT? SO WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO DECIDE AS A CITY WHERE ARE WE PRIORITIZING PUBLIC TRANSIT? WHERE ARE WE PRIORITIZING BICYCLES, WHERE WE'RE PRIORITIZING EVERYTHING, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          THAT FOLLOWS THIS, THIS IS TO SAY THAT THIS WILL BE ONE OF THE POLICIES THAT COMES OUT OF THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          BUT YOU'RE NOT WRONG IN SAYING LIKE, THAT PROCESS WILL HAVE TO HAPPEN. 
          UH, YEAH, I MIGHT BE OFF WAY OFF BASE, BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE I WATCHED SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, THE LA THE LAND USE THE THE LAND. 
          MM-HMM. 
           ZONING, MASTER PLAN LAND USE. 
          OKAY, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE PROPOSING HIGHER DENSITY HOUSING ALONG WASHINGTON. 
          WE'RE GONNA PUT THE HIGHER DENSITY OF THE HIGHER DENSITY ON WASHINGTON. 
          'CAUSE IT'S A BOULEVARD. 
          MM-HMM. 
           THAT WE WANNA BE NEXT TO. 
          BUT THERE'S NO, BUT YOU'RE, ARE YOU GONNA IMPROVE WASHINGTON ON A PROJECT BY PROJECT BASIS WHEN IT HAPPENS? ARE YOU GONNA IMPROVE WASHINGTON AS A BOULEVARD? RIGHT? THE PROJECT WILL WANNA LOCATE. 
          BUT THAT, THAT ALSO, YOU'VE BROUGHT UP ANOTHER POINT THAT I THINK IS WHY THIS HAS TO COME A BIT LATER, WHICH IS WE STILL AS A CITY ARE GONNA HAVE TO DEC OOPS, ARE GONNA HAVE TO DECIDE WHERE ARE WE GONNA IN THIS NEXT GENERAL PLAN, WHERE ARE WE GONNA PUT DENSITY? RIGHT? I MEAN, THE PROJECTS WILL COME WHEN THEY COME, BUT LIKE, WHERE ARE WE GONNA PRIORITIZE DENSITY? WHERE ARE WE NOT? AND SO WHEN WE'VE LOCKED THAT DOWN, IT'LL BE A LOT EASIER TO LOCK DOWN, OKAY, WHAT'S THE PRIORITY OF THIS STREET? WHAT'S THE PRIORITY OF KIND OF THE, THE SECONDARY ELEMENTS THAT COMES WITH ITS INFRASTRUCTURE? BUT IT, WE CAN'T, IT'S KIND OF A LITTLE BIT OF THE CHICKEN OR THE EGG. 
          BUT IN THIS CASE, WE CAN'T PUT THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE IF WE DON'T KNOW HOW THE STREETS ENVISIONED TO BE USED. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO JUST, JUST BRIEFLY, THIS, THIS IS RON. 
          UM, IF THE PART OF THE COMMISSIONER'S CONCERN IS RELATED TO THE STREET SCAPE, UM, THAT PART OF THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT'S PEOPLE SOMETIMES REFER TO AS THE PUBLIC REALM, UM, TO COMPLIMENT, DESIGNED TO COMPLIMENT BOTH THE USES IN THE STREET RIGHT OF WAY AS WELL AS THE PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT, UM, THAT'S CONNECTED TO IT. 
          THAT THAT IS ADDRESSED IN THE LAND USE ELEMENT. 
          AGAIN, IT'S ONE OF THOSE TOPICS, IT'S HARD TO DECIDE WHERE BEST TO PUT IT. 
          YOU COULD MAKE AN ARGUMENT FOR PUTTING IN TRANSPORTATION. 
          YOU COULD PROBABLY MAKE AN ARGUMENT FOR MAKING IT PART OF THE PARKS AND OR NATURAL ENVIRONMENT FRAMEWORK FROM A, FROM A WILDLIFE PERSPECTIVE. 
          BUT, BUT FOR THE TIME BEING, YOU'LL SEE IT IN THE LAND USE FRAMEWORK. 
          UH, JESSICA, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? I JUST WANTED TO ADD ONE MORE THING AND THEN I THINK WE'RE DONE ON THIS ITEM. 
          'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY VOTES TO TAKE. 
          UM, OH, PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          CORRECT. 
          I JUST, ONE MORE THING TO ADD, WHICH, AND IT, IT GOES BACK TO THE, THE HIERARCHY OF USE FOR STREETS AND TRANSPORTATION. 
          I WAS SO HAPPY WHEN I SAW THAT ADDED INTO THE TRANSIT TRANSIT FRAMEWORK. 
          AND PART OF IT'S BECAUSE I REMEMBER, THIS IS LIKE FIVE YEARS AGO NOW ON TRANSIT COMMITTEE. 
          WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE CITY DIDN'T HAVE THIS. 
          AND AT THE TIME, SPEAKING OF BUSINESS OWNERS, I HAD TWO PEOPLE WHO REMEMBER THE CHAMBER ON THAT COMMITTEE WITH ME. 
          AND THEY WERE ALSO BRINGING UP THIS ISSUE OF WE HAVE BUSES HERE, WE HAVE GREAT BIKE TRANSIT THERE, WE HAVE GREAT PEDESTRIAN TRANSIT THERE, WE HAVE A THOROUGHFARE HERE AND NONE OF IT CONNECTS AND WE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY. 
          AND THIS IDEA OF HIERARCHY CAME OUT OF THAT. 
          AND I REMEMBER POPPING UP MEETING AFTER MEETING. 
          AND PART OF IT'S BECAUSE, AND THIS PART OF IT IS BECAUSE YOU'RE TRYING TO GIVE A SENSE OF, WELL, IF WE'RE GOING TO SAY PEDESTRIAN FIRST, THAT MEANS GREAT AMENITIES FOR GOING INTO STORES, RIGHT? GREAT AMENITIES INTO, FOR GOING INTO LOCATIONS TO CONDUCT ACTIVITIES. 
          IF YOU'RE GONNA SAY BICYCLE SECOND, 
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THAT MEANS WHAT? BIKE, UH, BICYCLE PARKING. 
          THAT MEANS WIDER, WIDER BIKE LANES. 
          THAT MEANS, AGAIN, MORE ACTIVITY FOR COMMERCIAL USE AND MORE ACTIVITY FOR KIND OF HUMAN ENGAGEMENT. 
          AND THEN IF YOU'RE ADDING BUSES, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WIDER STREETS, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PRIORITIZED LANES, WHICH IS ACTUALLY IN THE LONG TERM EASIER FOR CARS BECAUSE THEY KNOW THE RULES. 
          AND THERE'S LESS OF THIS LIKE, CONTENTION IN THE STREETS OF WHERE WE'RE GOING, WHICH WE'VE ALL SEEN IN PETALUMA OVER AND OVER AGAIN. 
          SO LIKE THAT HIERARCHY IN THE LONG RUN HELPS EVERYONE OUT, INCLUDING THOSE BUSINESSES THAT ARE LOOKING FOR EASIER FLOWS OF PEOPLE. 
          SO IT'S JUST ONE THING I WANTED TO FLAG. 
          I CAN UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN OF SAYING, OH, YOU'RE GONNA TAKE ALL THE CARS AWAY AND HOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE BUSINESS, BUT THIS WILL ACTUALLY MAKE IT EASIER FOR EVERYBODY TO GET TO WHERE THEY'RE GOING AND KNOW WHAT THE RULES ARE SO THEY GET THERE CONSISTENTLY AND ON TIME, RELATIVELY ON TIME, WHICH WILL ONLY BE BETTER FOR THOSE WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT KIND OF AND SAFETY, THEIR OVERALL BOTTOM LINE AND SAFETY. 
          SO, AND WITH THAT, WE'RE GONNA GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          WE HAVE ONE PUB, WE HAVE ONE PERSON HERE. 
          DID DID YOU WANT TO GIVE A PUBLIC COMMENT OR ARE WE NO, I, WELL, YEAH, THE BULL MINOR ONE. 
          WELL THEN YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE MIC. 
          I'M GOING, I'M GOING TO ASK DID WE GET ANY ONLINE COMMENTS FOR THIS ITEM? WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY, UM, COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM PRIOR TO THE MEETING. 
          IF ARIEL WERE HERE, HE'D BE SO PROUD OF ME FOR FINALLY REMEMBERING TO ASK THAT QUESTION. 
          OKAY, GO AHEAD. 
          MY ONLY REAL COMMENT IS, IS THAT I WAS ON SOME WORKING CREWS FOR THOSE TWO, UM, FRAMEWORKS. 
          AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP, AND OF COURSE IT CAME UP FOR ME, IS THAT IN ALL OF THIS, THERE'S VERY LITTLE MENTION OF ANYONE WHO HAS A MOBILITY ISSUE OR HOW IT IS AFFECTED BY TRANSIT, HOW IT IS, HOW IT CAN BE HELPED BY TRANSIT, UM, HOW PARKS ARE DESIGNATED, UM, TO BE USED BY PEOPLE WITH ACCESSIBILITY, UM, NEEDS. 
          AND IT'S JUST NOT IN ANY OF THE FRAMEWORKS ANYWHERE. 
          SO WE'RE FEELING A LITTLE LEFT OUT. 
          THAT'S ALL. 
          I WANNA MAKE IT SHORT. 
          I WANNA GO HOME. 
          ABSOLUTELY FAIR. 
          AWESOME. 
          WE'RE GONNA CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT, WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR THAT. 
          WE'RE GONNA MOVE INTO 
          [COMMITTEE COMMENT]
COMMISSIONER COMMENT. 
          NOW THAT THAT ITEM IS CLOSED, I WANT TO THANK RON AND THE OTHERS WHO ARE ON SCREEN. 
          THANK YOU FOR GETTING US THROUGH THAT. 
          THANK YOU FOR GETTING US THROUGH THAT. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER COMMENT. 
          I'M GONNA START WITH A COUNCIL MEMBER QUICKLY WITH THE SCTA. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE LAST MILE, YOU KNOW, SO YOU THE TRAIN. 
          NOW, HOW ARE WE GONNA GET TO WHERE WE NEED TO GO? UM, WE SAW, HEARD 5,400 OLD REDWOOD HIGHWAY, WHICH CAME, UH, BEFORE US AT ONE POINT. 
          AND SO THERE WAS A GOOD DISCUSSION ON THE FIELD. 
          DOES IT HAVE TO BE REMOVED OR NOT? AND IT'S PRETTY NEGLIGIBLE BETWEEN REMOVING OR NOT. 
          UM, BUT FOR ME, UM, UH, THE BIG CONCERN IS JUST, UM, GOING THROUGH LCO AND JUST DESIGNATED IT AS A BUSINESS PARK BECAUSE DO WE, DO YOU REALLY WANNA GO IN A BUSINESS PARK EVEN THOUGH THE REST OF THE AREA'S A BUSINESS PARK? SO IT'S AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF PROPERTY IF YOU'RE GONNA BRING IT INTO THE CITY TO GIVE A LOT OF THOUGHT TO THE DETAILS, UM, BEFORE WE LOSE ANY ABILITY TO MAKE ANY CHANGES. 
          UM, AND I, UM, LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE? UM, THE BIKE, UH, DOWNTOWN, THERE'S BIKE, UM, PARKING AREAS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND IT'S REALLY NICE. 
          IT'S WHERE THOSE RED ZONES ARE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND SO THEY JUST, YOU KNOW, PUT THOSE CIRCLES THERE SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY PARK YOUR BIKE DOWNTOWN. 
          AND IT'S PRETTY SAFE BECAUSE IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, IN IT'S SOME CORNER. 
          AND SO JUST, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU DRIVE BY ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'LL SEE THESE AND IT LOOKS REALLY GOOD AND IT'S GOOD UTILIZATION OF THE SPACE. 
          AND THEN I BELIEVE THE FAIR WAS A REAL SUCCESS. 
          AND THAT'S IT. 
          DARREN, NO PBAC MEETING FOR ME SINCE LAST MEETING. 
          AND I WILL LET ROGER TALK ABOUT, UH, TREE COMMITTEE. 
          I, I WILL JUST SAY THAT WE REACHED A COMPROMISE, THE STATE BUDGET. 
          IT'S NOT AS ROUGH AS YOU AS WE EXPECTED. 
          SO THINGS MIGHT NOT BE AS GRIM. 
          ROGER, I I'M GONNA LET DARREN, I'M NOT SURE, UH, TREE COMMITTEE. 
          THERE WAS JUST A PRESENTATION LAST TIME ON THE STATE OF THE URBAN FORESTRY MANAGEMENT PLAN, WHICH CAME UP TONIGHT, UH, WHICH WAS GREAT BY BEN ANDERSON, A CONSULTING ARBORIST. 
          SO GREAT. 
          THAT'S AWESOME. 
          GOOD. 
          ALRIGHT, JESSICA, UM, NO COMMENTS OTHER THAN PLEASE BE SAFE DURING 4TH OF JULY. 
          THINGS ARE STILL PRETTY DRY OUT THERE. 
          OH YEAH. 
          AND, UH, WE DON'T ALLOW FIREWORKS IN TOWN, SO PLEASE DON'T DO THAT. 
          PLEASE, DEAR GOD, NO PERSONAL FIREWORKS. 
          IF YOU'RE WATCHING ON YOUTUBE, DO NOT PUT US AT RISK. 
          UH, AND 
          [STAFF COMMENT]
WITH THAT STAFF COMMENT, GREAT. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIR. 
          UM, 
          [04:40:01]
SO AS, UH, AS THE COUNCIL MEMBER KNOWS THAT AT A RECENT, UM, COUNCIL MEETING, THEY DID, UH, REAPPOINTMENTS AND APPOINTMENTS. 
          SO, UH, CHAIR THAT, UH, YOU WERE REAPPOINTED, SO WELCOME BACK. 
          UM, BUT SHE DIDN'T ACTUALLY LEAVE THOUGH . 
          AND THEN, AND THEN WE DO HAVE TWO NEW MEMBERS, UM, APPOINTED, UH, NICOLA FRY, WHO'S, UM, A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THIS EVENING AND BRENT NEWELL, WHO'S A MEMBER OF, UM, GPAC MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO WELCOMING THEM TO THE COMMISSION. 
          WE DO HAVE A ORIENTATION SCHEDULED WITH THEM, AND I THOUGHT WHAT I WOULD DO IS, IS SEND OUT AN IN INVITATION TO, UM, THE COMMISSION TO JOIN THAT ORIENTATION. 
          I THINK WE COULD TAKE UP TO TWO, UH, COMMISSIONERS, TWO SEATED COMMISSIONERS AS PART OF THAT ORIENTATION TO KIND OF JUST BUILD THE TEAMWORK AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, INTRODUCE THEM AND, AND SO THAT THEY FEEL LIKE WHEN THEY DO COME ON FOR THEIR FIRST MEETING THAT THEY KNOW SOME FOLKS. 
          UM, SO I'LL GET THAT OUT TO YOU. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S SCHEDULED FOR JULY 3RD AT 11:00 AM AND THEN OF COURSE, THE FIRST MEETING IN JULY, UH, THEY WILL TAKE THEIR OS OF OFFICE AND THEN WE'LL DO ELECTIONS TO, UM, POSITIONS ON THE, THE COMMISSION AS WELL AS APPOINTMENTS TO VARIOUS, UM, COMMITTEES AND BOARDS. 
          UM, SO, SO THAT'S TO LOOK FORWARD TO. 
          WE DO HAVE A QUORUM AT THIS POINT IN TIME FOR THE JULY 9TH MEETING. 
          HOWEVER, IF YOU HAVEN'T REPLIED TO THE QUORUM REQUEST, PLEASE DO SO. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, I THINK, UM, URBAN CHAT HAS AN INTERESTING PROGRAM, UH, TOMORROW EVENING ON POCKET NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          UM, SO WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU IN THE EVENT THAT YOU WANT TO ATTEND THAT. 
          I BELIEVE IT STARTS AT SIX 30, UM, IN THE EVENING. 
          AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, ROGER. 
          ONE QUESTION FOR ANDREW. 
          UH, WHEN, WHEN IS IT APPROPRIATE OR IS IT APPROPRIATE TO HAVE A TREE COMMITTEE, TREE ADVISORY COMMITTEE INVOLVED IN ANY PROJECT? LIKE IF, LIKE ON THIS RANCH PROJECT TODAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PEOPLE IN THAT COMMITTEE KNOW A LOT MORE ABOUT VEGETATION AND TREES THAN WE DO. 
          MM-HMM. 
           HOW YOU, HOW DO WE INVOLVE THEM OR DO WE INVOLVE THEM AND WHAT'S FAIR TO THE DEVELOPER? WHAT'S THE PROCESS? WELL, WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT. 
          WE HAVEN'T REALLY ARRIVED AT ANY POLICY, I THINK, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD WORK ON. 
          SURE. 
          COMMISSIONER AND I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, IT MAY OFFLOAD SOME OF THE TREE DISCUSSIONS MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO WE DON'T GET SWAMPED WITH IT AND WE CAN GET A RECOMMENDATION FROM TREE COMMITTEE. 
          SO THAT'S A THOUGHT. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT. 
          I THINK IT'S JUST A MATTER OF HAVING THE BANDWIDTH TO, TO, UM, YOU KNOW, REALLY FOCUS ON, ON THINKING ABOUT WHEN WOOD PROJECTS BE REFERRED TO TREE ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND, AND SO FORTH. 
          SO IT'S, UH, IT SHOULD HAPPEN. 
          IT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED BEFORE THIS MEETING. 
          RIGHT? WELL, WELL, ABSOLUTELY. 
          BUT THIS PROJECT TOO HAS BEEN IN, IN THE PIPELINE FOR A LONG TIME. 
          SO WE WOULD WANNA LOOK AT GOING FORWARD. 
          I WOULD, I WOULD LOVE TO RECOMMEND THAT ROD, ROGER, DARREN, AND, AND ANDREW, IF YOU HAVE ANY BANDWIDTH, YOU TAKE THIS OFFLINE SURE. 
          AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT PROCESS LOOKS LIKE. 
          'CAUSE IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE HAD THAT INPUT AHEAD OF TIME. 
          UH, WITH THAT, IF THERE ARE OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. 
          THANK YOU EVERYBODY.
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