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          [CALL TO ORDER]
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          GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE REGULAR MEETING IN THE PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE FOR THURSDAY, JUNE 27TH, 2024. 
          WILL YOU PLEASE TAKE ROLL CALL COMMITTEE MEMBER COLD IRON HERE. 
          COMMITTEE MEMBER MORAN HERE. 
          COMMITTEE MEMBER BELTWAY. 
          ABSENT COMMITTEE MEMBER JAKES HERE, COMMITTEE MEMBER RIZZO SIMONS ABSENT CHAIR SMITH. 
          TODAY WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT OUR CITY OF PETALUMA COMMITTEE WORK INVOLVES THE UNSEATED LAND THAT IS THE ANCESTRAL HOMELANDS OF THE COAST. 
          ME WALK PEOPLE. 
          WE WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS OUR GRATITUDE AND APPRECIATION TO THOSE WHO STEWARD IT AND CONTINUE TO STEWARD THIS LAND. 
          WE PAY OUR RESPECT TO THE PAST, PRESENT AND EMERGING ELDERS AS CITIZENS OF THE COMMUNITY OF THE COAST. 
          ME WALK AND INVITE THEM TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS COMMUNITY COMMITTEE'S COMMUNITY WORK HERE. 
          WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A QUORUM AND THERE MIGHT BE FEWER EYES ON US TONIGHT 'CAUSE THERE'S A BIG NATIONAL EVENT HAPPENING. 
          SO MAYBE PEOPLE ARE, WILL WATCH THIS ON RECORDING. 
          UH, BUT WE'LL BE UH, UH, GO TO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS POINT. 
          AND DO WE RECEIVE ANY COMMENTS, ANY SUBMITTED, UH, PRIOR TO THE MEETING? WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SEEING NO ONE HERE WILL, UH, CLOSE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          I'M SORRY, CHRISTOPHER. 
          I JUST WANNA DO A CORRECTION. 
          WE DID RECEIVE THOSE TWO COMMENTS I SHARED WITH YOU GUYS AT THE END, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MONTH. 
          SO THERE WERE TWO, SORRY, I DIDN'T SHARE THEM WITH YOU. 
          THERE WERE TWO PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT CAME IN AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MONTH AND THOSE WERE SHARED WITH THE ENTIRE COMMITTEE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THOSE WERE POSTED TO THE CITY'S WEBSITE. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL SHARE THEM WITH MELISSA MADRID. 
          I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WITH THAT WE'LL CLOSE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          THERE WILL BE NO PRESENTATIONS TONIGHT. 
          AND SO 
          [APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
WITH THAT WE'LL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM ONE, WHICH WILL BE, UH, REVIEW AND, AND, UH, APPROVAL OF MINUTES. 
          ARE THERE ANY PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING? SEE NO PROPOSED AMENDMENTS? THE MINUTES, ACTUALLY THIS WAS FOR THE APRIL. 
          UM, CAN WE CLARIFY THAT? THE AGENDA SAYS APRIL 25TH MEETINGS THAT WE'RE APPROVING  MINE SAYS MAY 30TH. 
          UM, OH, ON THE, OH, IT'S AT THE ANNOTATED AGENDA. 
          AGENDA DOES NOT REFLECT THE SAME DATE AS THE, OKAY. 
          THIS IS FOR THE, THESE ARE THE MAIN MINUTES, THE ONES THAT WERE SUBMITTED IN THE PACKET, RIGHT? YES. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO SEE NO AMENDMENTS PROPOSED. 
          WE WILL CONSIDER THEM APPROVED AS PUBLISHED AND 
          [PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION]
WE'LL CLOSE OUT. 
          AGENDA ITEM ONE AND MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM TWO. 
          THIS IS GONNA BE, UM, A STUDY SESSION TO SOLICIT INPUT AND PROVIDE NON-BINDING COMMENTS IN CONSIDERATION OF MODIFICATIONS TO THE APPROVED MARY FULLER MCCHESNEY ESTATE ARTWORK ACQUISITION. 
          THIS WILL BE HANDLED BY OUR PUBLIC ARTS SPECIALIST, MELISSA ABERCROMBIE. 
          THANK YOU CHRISTOPHER. 
          AND THANK YOU COMMITTEE MEMBERS FOR RECONSIDERING OUR COLLECTION. 
          UM, I AM RECOMMENDING THAT WE HAVE THIS PRESENTATION AND THEN CONDUCT A STUDY SESSION TO SOLICIT INPUT ON HOW WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH, UM, THE CONSIDERATION OF MODIFICATIONS TO THE APPROVED MARY FULLER MCCHESNEY ESTATE ARTWORK ACQUISITION. 
          SPECIFICALLY, THE COMMITTEE WILL BE ASKED TO ADVISE THE CITY ON THE EXCHANGE OF TWO ARTWORKS ACQUIRED BY THE CITY OF PETALUMA FROM THE MARY FULLER MCCHESNEY ESTATE, WHICH HAVE CONDITION ISSUES THAT WILL PREVENT THE PIECES FROM BEING ABLE TO BE DISPLAYED PUBLICLY WITHOUT CONSERVATION MEASURES. 
          THE BACKGROUND OF MARY FULLER MCCHESNEY. 
          SHE WAS BORN, NOT YET. 
          NOT YET. 
          UM, SHE WAS BORN IN, UM, 1922 AND SHE LIVED HERE IN PETALUMA FOR THE LAST 40 YEARS, APPROXIMATELY OF HER LIFE. 
          AND SHE DIED IN 2022. 
          WE WERE OFFERED THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO UP TO SONOMA MOUNTAIN AND VIEW HER WORKS. 
          WE ALSO VIEWED WORKS AT DENNIS KLI KBIS HOUSE AND AT HIS GALLERY AND AT, UM, JEANNIE'S SCALE'S HOUSE. 
          UM, AND SO AFTER THAT PROCESS, WE DECIDED ON 14 WORKS. 
          THERE'S A WHOLE HISTORY OF IT, INCLUDING THE STAFF REPORT, WHICH I, MOST OF US HAVE LIVED 
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THAT HISTORY HERE. 
          BUT I ENCOURAGE THE PUBLIC TO GO AND REVIEW IT IN THE STAFF REPORT. 
          OUR DISCUSSION TODAY WILL BE ABOUT THE DETERIORATED CONDITION OF THE AL BENCH AND THE INSTABILITY OF THE WOMAN WITH OWL SCULPTURE THAT ARE BOTH AT THE ASTRO HOTEL RIGHT NOW. 
          THEY ARE INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE IDENTIFIED GOALS OF OUR ACQUISITION TO BE LOW MAINTENANCE AND APPROPRIATE FOR PUBLIC SPACE CONDITION. 
          FINDINGS WERE DISCOVERED AT AN APRIL 2ND, 2024 VISIT TO THE ASTRO MOTEL WITH ANN DIGGS AND MYSELF, WHERE WE MET WITH SPRING MAXFIELD, WHO IS A CONSERVATOR WHO, UM, HELPED GET MARY'S COLLECTION TO THE ASTRO MOTEL AND HAS HELPED SUPPORTED THE CONSERVATION, MOVING PACKAGING AND INSTALLATION OF MARY'S PIECES IN THE PAST. 
          SHE WAS VERY FORTHRIGHT WITH US ABOUT THE CONDITION AND ABOUT WHAT HER THOUGHTS WERE IN THESE PIECES BEING DISPLAYED FOR THE PUBLIC. 
          THE VALUE OF THE OWL BENCH WAS $4,800 IN THE ACQUISITION, AND THE WOMAN WITH OWL SCULPTURE WAS $5,000. 
          AND SO WE WERE CONSIDERING A VARIETY OF WORKS BY MARY AND HER HUSBAND, ROBERT PEARSON MCCHESNEY, WHO IS ALSO DECEASED, UNDERSTANDING THAT WE HAD $9,800 IN, UH, IN VALUE. 
          WE APPROACHED DENNIS KBI AND WERE TOLD THAT WE COULD TRADE VALUE FOR VALUE FOR OTHER PIECES STILL AVAILABLE IN THE COLLECTION. 
          UM, AND SO AS WE GO THROUGH OUR CONVERSATION, AND I'LL REMIND YOU OF THIS IF YOU NEED IT, I'LL DO A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION ON THE PIECES, BUT I WOULD LIKE US TO CONSIDER MATERIALS COST AND RESTORATION AS A PRIORITY IN CREATING THE SELECTIONS. 
          UM, AND THEN CONSIDER THE DIVERSITY OF MATERIALS IN OUR ACQUISITION WITH A REMINDER THAT OF THE 14 PIECES WE CURRENTLY OWN 11 OF VERMICULITE, WHICH IS, UH, COMBINATION OF CONCRETE AND, UM, LIMESTONE. 
          AND MARY'S MIXTURES COULD OFTEN BE SLIGHTLY OFF SO THEY DON'T HAVE LIKE AN EXACT RECIPE TO EACH OF THE PIECES. 
          UM, AND THEN THREE BRONZES. 
          A GOAL OF OURS WOULD BE TO DIVERSIFY THE ARTIST REPRESENTED IN THE PUBLIC ART COLLECTION. 
          POSSIBLY IF WE LOOK AT THESE SELECTIONS THAT INCLUDE ROBERT'S WORK, UM, IT WILL ALSO ALLOW US TO INCLUDE ADDITIONAL PETALUMA ARTISTS IN OUR COLLECTION. 
          WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THE LONG TERM COST OF MAINTAINING AND RESTORING ARTWORKS MADE OF IM MAITE. 
          UM, AND THEN WE WANNA EXCHANGE PIECES THAT ARE UNFAIR CON TO POOR CONDITION FOR BRONZE WORKS, OR PRINTED WORKS FOR INTERIOR DISPLAY. 
          OR THAT MIGHT BE A BETTER LONG-TERM VALUE TO THE CITY. 
          THE LONGEVITY OF THE BRONZE PIECES COMPARED TO VERMICULITE CONSTRUCTION, UM, WOULD REQUIRE LESS LONG-TERM MAINTENANCE AND LESS AND WILL RESPOND BETTER TO OUTDOOR CONDITIONS. 
          ONE CONSIDERATION TO ALSO CONSIDER IS THE SAFETY OF THE ARTWORKS. 
          IT COULD BE UNSTABLE IF THEY'RE CLIMBED, IF THE PUBLIC DECIDES TO INTERACT WITH THEM THAT WAY, WHICH WE STRONGLY DISCOURAGE, BUT REALIZE IS A LIKELY POSSIBILITY. 
          UM, WOMEN WITHOUT THAT PIECE SPECIFICALLY HAD SOME INSTABILITY ISSUES THAT WE WEREN'T, WE FOUND WERE NOT CONSISTENT WITH OUR GOALS FOR PUBLIC ART. 
          UM, WE HAVE A VARIETY OF LOCATION OPTIONS, BUT PRINTED WORKS COULD ALSO BE DISPLAYED IN THE INTERIORS OF CITY ON LOCATIONS AND THEY ARE LESS COSTLY TO TRANSPORT. 
          UM, THERE WERE NO ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS AT THIS TIME, SO WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE DISCUSSING THAT. 
          THERE IS SOME, UM, LANGUAGE ON OUR REPORT THAT CAN HELP THE PUBLIC UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE NOT CONSIDERING THAT AT THIS TIME. 
          AND THEN WE CAN REVISIT CITY GOALS AND PRIORITIES THAT WERE RECOMMENDED THROUGH OUR PUBLIC ART MASTER PLAN THAT I INCLUDED HERE THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED DURING THIS PROCESS. 
          MOST OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THEM, BUT THE IDEAS ARE TO ACTIVATE NEIGHBORHOODS, ENCOURAGE ENJOYMENT AND CELEBRATION OF HUMAN SPIRIT AND ARTISTIC CREATIVITY. 
          CREATIVITY, REPRESENT THE DIVERSITY OF OUR C COMMUNITY AND RESPECT AND EMBRACE THE CITY'S PHYSICAL AND HISTORIC ATTRIBUTES, SOCIAL CHARACTERISTICS, DEMOGRAPHICS, AESTHETIC HERITAGE, VISION AND GOALS FOR THE FUTURE. 
          BE LOW MAINTENANCE AND APPROPRIATE FOR PUBLIC SPACE AND DEVELOP A PROGRAM THAT ADDRESSES AND REFLECTS THE VALUES, CULTURES, AND ASPIRATIONS OF OUR COMMUNITY. 
          WITH THAT, I'M GONNA START SHARING MY SCREEN AND WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION. 
          ALL RIGHT, I'M JUST HAVING A MOMENT SHARING MY SCREEN. 
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HMM. 
          SO I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE THE ICON WENT FOR, FOR THE FULL SCREEN. 
          OH, THANK YOU. 
          I APOLOGIZE FOR BEING A BIT OF A LUDDITE WITH TECHNOLOGY . 
          SO HERE WE SEE AN IMAGE OF MARY PHIL MCCHESNEY NEAR A LARGE PIECE OF HERS. 
          THIS IS KIND OF A RECANTING OF HER HISTORY AND OUR HISTORY WITH THE PROJECT. 
          DENNIS KBI KBI FACILITATED THE SALE IN, UM, SEPTEMBER 5TH, 2023. 
          SO SINCE THEN WE'VE KIND OF HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT LOCATION AND HOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH INSTALLING. 
          HERE ARE THE TWO PIECES THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING TRADING. 
          SO THE OWL BENCH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE LOWER CUBE NEAR THE PEDESTAL, YOU'LL SEE SCRAPING ACROSS THE VERMICULITE. 
          AND WE WERE FINDING THAT THE VERMICULITE WAS DETERIORATING TO A DEGREE WHERE IT WAS JUST FALLING OFF WHEN IT WAS TOUCHED. 
          SO WE FOUND THAT THIS PIECE AND THE WOOD WAS ALSO SLIGHTLY DETERIORATED FOR PEOPLE SITTING AND IT JUST WOULD BE SPLINTERING IN CERTAIN AREAS. 
          SO IT WAS THE SUBCOMMITTEE, WHICH WAS ANN, WHO WAS ABLE TO ATTEND. 
          JENNY BELTWAY IS ALSO ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE, BUT SHE WAS UNABLE TO ATTEND. 
          SO I WAS ALSO THERE AS STAFF. 
          WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT AND THE CONSIDERING THE PRICE OF CONSERVATION. 
          AND WE FELT LIKE THAT WAS NOT APPROPRIATE OF US TO TAKE ON THAT PIECE IF IT REQUIRED AN EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF, UM, CONDITION REPAIR. 
          AND THE PIECE UP ABOVE THE WOMAN WITH OWL, WHEN HER LEG COMES OUT, IF YOU TOUCH IT, THE PIECE MOVES VERY STRONGLY AND WE WERE AFRAID THAT THE VERMICULITE WOULD BREAK IF ANYBODY WAS TO HANG FROM IT OR ENGAGE WITH IT. 
          IT WAS VERY DISAPPOINTING. 
          BUT WE RECOGNIZE THAT THAT FEATURE WOULD LIMIT OUR ABILITY TO PLACE IT AND IT WOULD ALSO BE PROBABLY A LIABILITY TO US LONG TERM FOR REPAIRS AND, UM, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. 
          AND AS A REMINDER, THE WOMAN WITH ALICE'S $5,000 IN TRADE AND THE BENCH IS 4,800 FOR A TOTAL OF $9,800 IN TRADE. 
          OUR FIRST OPTION, OPTION 1.1 0.1 IS FULLER DOES MORE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY AN UNTITLED PIECE, BUT THIS IS HOW DENNIS REFERS TO IT JUST SO WE CAN DIFFERENTIATE IT FROM OTHER UNTITLED PIECES BY THE SAME NAME. 
          SO THIS PIECE IS CAST BRONZE. 
          IT'S BASED OFF OF A 1947 TERRACOTTA BUST THAT MARY HAD CREATED. 
          AT ONE POINT SHE HAD HAD IT TRANSPORTED TO A SHOW AND HAD DROPPED IT OFF AT UPS AND THE, THE TERRACOTTA FELL APART. 
          SO SHE WENT THROUGH GLUING IT BACK TOGETHER AND THEN SHE REALIZED IN 2000 THAT SHE LOVED THE PIECE QUITE A BIT AND WANTED TO HAVE IT CAST. 
          THERE'S ONLY A FEW OF THESE THAT WERE MADE. 
          AND SO THERE'S TWO AVAILABLE THROUGH DENNIS COLLABS COLLECTION. 
          THIS IS A VALUE OF $4,000 AND I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THE, THE UM, SIZE. 
          IT'S 22 INCHES BY 17 BY NINE AND A HALF, SO IT'S EASIER TO INSTALL AND MOVE, BUT IT'S QUITE HEAVY STILL AS IT'S BEING, AS IT'S BRONZE. 
          BUT THIS REPRESENTS AN EARLIER MOVE FOR MARY THAT WAS HEAVILY INFLUENCED BY THE SCULPTOR MOORE. 
          A SECOND OPTION THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY PAIR WITH THAT TO GET TO A $9,800 VALUE WOULD BE TO PURCHASE MULTIPLE SILK SCREENS THAT WERE CREATED BY ROBERT PER PEARSON MCCHESNEY. 
          THESE ARE 23 INCHES BY 17.5 INCHES. 
          THAT'S THE PAPER SIZE. 
          THE IMAGE SIZE IS 19.5 BY 13 AND A HALF INCHES. 
          THESE WOULD BE $800 EACH UNFRAMED. 
          SO A CONSIDERATION IS FRAMING. 
          AND THERE ARE 19 IMAGES AVAILABLE, OR I'M SORRY, NOT 19 NINE IMAGES AVAILABLE. 
          SO WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SELECT MULTIPLES OF THESE. 
          WE WOULD HAVE TO CONSIDER WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO DISPLAY THEM, UM, POTENTIALLY CITY HALL OR UH, PUBLIC WORK OFFICES, OR IT'D HAVE TO BE SOMEWHERE PUBLICLY FACING. 
          SO LUC CASEY, SOMEWHERE ALONG THOSE LINES. 
          AND THE IDEA WAS THAT WE COULD FRAME AND DISPLAY THEM AS A UNIT. 
          UM, WE DID LOOK AT MULTIPLE PIECES BY ROBERT PEARSON MCCHESNEY. 
          HE ALSO GOES BY MAC, UM, TO LOCAL COLLECTORS. 
          AND WE REVIEWED A LOT OF THE ARTWORKS THAT ARE AVAILABLE ON DENNIS 
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KALA'S WEBSITE, SO YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THEM. 
          BUT THE PIECES THAT WE BEST THOUGHT REPRESENTED THE CITY WERE NOT ATTAINABLE. 
          THE VALUE WAS GREATER THAN THE $9,800 WE HAD AVAILABLE. 
          THE PAINTINGS THAT WE WERE POTENTIALLY ABLE TO AFFORD HAD SAND MIXTURE WITH ACRYLIC. 
          THAT WAS REALLY NOT DURABLE. 
          SO WE WERE CONCERNED THAT IF SOMEONE WAS TO BRUSH AGAINST THEM OR ENGAGE WITH THEM, THEY MIGHT POTENTIALLY BE DISTURBED. 
          THE OTHER PIECES THAT WERE WITHIN OUR RANGE WERE OF NEEDING REPAIRS TO FRAMING OR THEY JUST DIDN'T REALLY, UM, FEEL LIKE THEY MET THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF OUR PROGRAM AT THIS TIME. 
          UM, I ENCOURAGE COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO TAKE A LOOK AT HIS WORK. 
          I THINK IT'S WORTH LOOKING AT, BUT THIS WAS WHAT WAS WITHIN OUR RANGE WHERE WE COULD REALLY HIT A TARGET. 
          I DIDN'T INCLUDE ALL THE IMAGES 'CAUSE THEY'RE VERY SIMILAR TO THESE THREE. 
          SO I FELT LIKE YOU CAN GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF THAT. 
          AND THEN THIS IS A THIRD OPTION THAT CAME IN AT THE LAST MINUTE WOULD BE TO ACQUIRE THIS OWL, WHICH IS, IT'S VERMICULITE. 
          IT'S LISTED ON HIS WEBSITE. 
          IT'S CARVED CONCRETE, BUT I WANTED, I'M NOT SURE HE COULDN'T DIFFERENTIATE WHAT THE TWO WERE, SO I'M GONNA ASSUME IT'S VERMICULITE SINCE IT LOOKS LIKE HER OTHER PRODUCTS. 
          UM, THIS PIECE IS 24 INCHES TALL BY 13 AND A HALF BY NINE. 
          IT'S A LITTLE EASIER TO TRANSPORT AS FAR AS THE WAY WE'VE CHOSEN TO CURATE TO DATE. 
          THE LIBRARY IS RECEIVING AN ANIMALS COLLECTION OF FOUR PIECES. 
          SO THIS COULD BE SOMETHING WE ALSO GIVE TO THE LIBRARY. 
          IT'S IN PRISTINE CONDITION. 
          IT'S BEEN HOUSED INDOORS AT ALL TIMES, SO IT DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY CONSERVATION. 
          UM, AND LIKE I SAID, IT'S, IT'S FAIRLY WELL SIZED FOR TRANSPORT. 
          A THIRD OPTION, WHICH COULD BE INCLUDED. 
          SO IF WE WERE TO GO FOR THE BUST, SO IT LOOKS LIKE IN OUR OPTIONS, THE BUST FOR THIS IS WHAT WOULD PAIR WITH ONE OF THESE SELECTIONS OR OR TWO WITH THE OWL AND THE NEXT IMAGE. 
          SO THAT IS UNTITLED. 
          IT'S LIKE A WOMAN'S TORSO. 
          THIS IS SMALLER. 
          IT'S 16 INCHES BY SIX INCHES BY FIVE. 
          AND DENNIS HAS OFFERED TO REDUCE THE PRICE. 
          IF WE WANTED THE OWL, THE TORSO AND THE BUST THAT WAS UNTITLED FULLER DOES MORE. 
          SO TO BE CLEAR, THE OPTION WOULD BE TO GET MULTIPLES OF ROBERT'S WORK OR TO DO THESE THREE PIECES TOGETHER. 
          SO ROBERT'S WORK WOULD BE WITH THE, THE BRONZE BUST, AND THIS WOULD BE THESE THREE PIECES. 
          , UH, ROBERT'S SCREEN, PRINT SCREEN PRINTS. 
          UH, DID THAT MAKE SENSE? I HOPE IT DIDN'T SEEM CONVOLUTED. 
          A THIRD OR SECOND OPTION ENTIRELY, WHICH WOULD NOT INCLUDE MULTIPLES, WOULD BE TO PURCHASE, UM, ANOTHER COYOTE GODDESS. 
          SO WE ALREADY HAVE THIS IN OUR COLLECTION THAT'S CURRENTLY HOUSED AT DENNIS'S HOME. 
          IT'S 65 INCHES BY 20 BY 20. 
          AND THE IDEA WOULD BE TO USE THEM AS CREATING LIKE A, AN ENTRANCE LIKE FOCUS, LIKE HAVING TWO ON EITHER SIDE OF AN ENTRANCE, LIKE CURATING THEM TOGETHER TO HAVE A GREATER IMPACT. 
          WHAT'S NICE ABOUT THEM THAT WAY WOULD BE THAT THE, THEY'RE NOT PARTICULARLY LAID OUT WHERE THERE ISN'T SYMMETRY. 
          SO IT COULD LOOK A LITTLE MORE COORDINATED TO HAVE TWO OF THEM AS OPPOSED TO THE OTHER PIECES THAT ARE BRONZE. 
          UM, BUT THIS WAS THE DECISION OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE AND STAFF WAS TO MOVE THESE FORWARD. 
          THOSE ONES. 
          SO WHEN WE'RE HAVING OUR CONVERSATION, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL UNDERSTOOD WHAT OUR OPTIONS WERE. 
          UM, THIS, I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU GUYS THE FOUR SCULPTURES THAT ARE GOING TO THE LIBRARY. 
          SO THERE IS A CAT ALREADY. 
          UM, THESE ARE BRONZE LIONS, THE RAM AND THE RABBIT. 
          I HAVE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH SPRING MAXFIELD AND THE LIBRARY. 
          AND IT HAS BEEN DECIDED THAT WE WILL HAVE THESE PIECES MOVED TO THE LIBRARY ON JUNE, JULY 8TH, 2024. 
          DIANA SPALDING IS THE HEAD LIBRARIAN WHO'S FACILITATING THIS. 
          THE LIBRARY WILL BE SHUT DOWN. 
          ITS LAST DAY IS JUNE 30TH FOR PROBABLY ABOUT A YEAR FOR RENOVATIONS. 
          AND WHAT'S REALLY GREAT ABOUT THIS IS THEY WILL HAVE THESE PIECES STORED ON SITE FOR CONSIDERATION DURING THE REMODEL. 
          SO THEY WILL HELP INFORM THEM ABOUT HOW THEY'D LIKE TO USE THEM IN THE BUILDING. 
          THE RABBIT WILL BE TRANSPORTED BY SPRING MAXFIELD. 
          SHE GAVE THEM A REALLY GREAT PRICE TO TRANSPORT THAT. 
          AND I WILL BE TRANSPORTING THE OTHER THREE PIECES SINCE THEY'RE FAIRLY SMALL IN SCALE. 
          I'LL BE WRAPPING THEM AND TRANSPORTING THEM ON THE SAME DATE. 
          AND THEN THESE ARE, I WANTED TO SHARE, UM, WELL THIS IS FROM MY PRESENTATION I DID FOR CIP AND I WANTED TO TELL YOU GUYS THAT I ATTENDED THE, THE CIP MEETING AND SHARED WITH CITY STAFF AND EMPLOYEES THAT AND, UM, PUBLIC WORKS, PARTICULARLY 
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THESE OPPORTUNITIES TO PLACE ART WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          I SHARED THE LOCATIONS THAT WE HAD PREFERRED BEFORE AND I WANTED TO SEE IF THERE WERE ANY UPCOMING PROJECTS WHERE THEY WERE GONNA BE POURING CONCRETE OR COULD POTENTIALLY USE PIECES LIKE THIS IN THEIR, IN THEIR WORKS TO BEAUTIFY A SPACE. 
          AND THEN THIS IS THE OTHER COYOTE GODDESS I JUST WANTED YOU TO LOOK AT HAS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT CONDITION ISSUES 'CAUSE IT'S BEEN OUTDOORS, BUT WE COULD CLEAN IT. 
          AND THIS IS THE OTHER SHAPE TOTEM FOR PLACEMENT. 
          AND THESE THREE, SO THE MALE, FEMALE AND OTHER MALE ARE ALSO AVAILABLE FOR PLACEMENT, THESE TOTEMS. AND THEN THIS IS THE, UM, FACE TOTEM, THAT'S WHAT IT'S TITLED BY DENNIS. 
          AND I WANTED TO, UM, TELL YOU GUYS THAT I'M LOOKING TO IDENTIFY, OH, SORRY. 
          UM, DON'T KNOW WHERE IT WENT. 
          I'M LOOKING TO IDENTIFY LOCATIONS. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW IS, UM, LOOKING FOR STORAGE, LOOKING FOR IN INSTALLATION PARTNERS. 
          AND THEN FINISH GETTING, UM, REPORTS FROM SPRING MAXFIELD ABOUT WHAT WE WILL BE NEEDING FINANCIALLY FOR PACKING, MOVING TO WHEREVER A STORAGE SITE IS IDENTIFIED. 
          THE PREFERENCE IS TO FIND A LOCATION THAT IS ALREADY READY TO RECEIVE THE ITEMS AND HAVE THEM MOVE THERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S MY PRESENTATION. 
          SO I WANTED TO, UM, JUST SEE WHERE YOU GUYS ARE AT WITH YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS, ANNE. 
          UM, WELL FIRST I WANTED TO THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S GREAT. 
          SUPER COOL. 
          HOLD, HOLD ON A SEC. 
          UM, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          UM, WE'RE GOING TO, UM, FIRST ASK CLARIFYING QUESTIONS SURE. 
          OF STAFF THAT WE'RE GONNA OPEN TO, UM, PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND HAVE A DISCUSSION. 
          SO ARE THERE ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS FOR MELISSA? IT'S MORE OF A CLARIFYING STATEMENT THAT I WAS GONNA OFFER AND THAT I THINK WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE PUBLIC. 
          THE REASON WE'RE IN THE SITUATION OF HAVING TO SWAP OUT TWO PIECES, UM, IS BECAUSE WHEN WE FIRST CAME UPON THE, UM, COLLECTION OUT IN THE FIELD, UP ON THE MOUNTAIN AND OUTSIDE, WE SAW THESE PIECES IN, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY HAD BEEN STORED, WHERE THEY WERE LIVING IN THE ENVIRONMENT FOR SOME TIME. 
          AND THEN AFTER THEY WERE RELOCATED, THEY, THESE TWO WERE SET UP AT THE ASTRO HOTEL IN SAN ROSA, IN THE COURTYARD. 
          UM, SUBSEQUENTLY A LOT OF THE PUBLIC VISITING THE ASTRO HAD ACCESS TO THEM AND COULD SIT ON THE OWL BENCH FOR INSTANCE. 
          AND THAT'S WHEN THE ABRASION STARTED HAPPENING. 
          WE DEDUCED FROM THE RUBBING OF FEET. 
          SO IT WASN'T THERE WHEN WE FIRST DECIDED TO PURCHASE THE PIECE. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT DISTINCTION AS WELL. 
          THE WOMAN WITH THE, UM, OWL WHEN SHE WAS TAKEN DOWN AND RELOCATED, SHE COULD HAVE BEEN SOMEWHAT DESTABILIZED A LITTLE BIT. 
          SO I DON'T THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT WHEN WE BOUGHT THEM, WE HAD SEEN THEM IN A STATE THAT THEY EVOLVED TO SOMETHING ELSE BY THE TIME WE WERE ABLE TO TAKE, UM, ACQUISITION. 
          I'D JUST LIKE TO CLARIFY, THEY WERE ALWAYS AT THE ASTRO MOTEL. 
          OH, THESE WERE, OKAY. 
          YEAH, THEY WERE ALREADY AT THE ASTRO MOTEL WHEN WE MADE THOSE CHOICES. 
          BUT I THINK BECAUSE OF EXPOSURE AND JUST TALKING TO SPRING ABOUT WHAT HER ENCOUNTERS WERE IN MOVING AND SETTING THEM UP AND WHAT SHE FELT WHEN WE, WE HAD SHARED WITH HER WHERE WE WERE THINKING OF LOCATING THEM, SHE VERY FIRMLY SHARED THAT THIS WAS NOT THE IDEAL PIECES FOR HAVING THEM AS PUBLIC ART. 
          I STAND CORRECTED. 
          I THOUGHT SOME OF THOSE, I REMEMBER SEEING UP ON THE, UH, SNOW MOUNTAIN. 
          BUT A LOT OF THE PIECES THAT WE SAW AT THE ASTRO WERE CO LIKE THEY, SHE HAD DUPLICATES OF THE BRONZES ON THE MOUNTAIN. 
          SO IT, IT WAS VERY CONFUSING AND A LOT OF THE SIMILAR IMAGERY IS THROUGHOUT HER COLLECTION. 
          SO IT WAS A LOT . 
          WE LOOKED AT PROBABLY 200 PIECES COLLECTIVELY WHEN WE WERE DOING THE CURATING ON THIS COLLECTION. 
          ANY OTHER, UM, CLARIFYING QUESTIONS? YEAH, I HAD ONE QUESTION WHERE, SO WE HAVE A $9,800 VALUE OF EXCHANGE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN DID I HEAR CORRECTLY THAT WE COULD PICK UP THE BRONZE BUST, THE OWL AND THE HEADLESS TORSO? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S ONE OPTION. 
          THAT WAS ONE OPTION. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I'LL PRESENT THE OPTIONS AS THE BUST, THE BRONZE BUST. 
          FULLER DOES MORE, LET'S, LET'S JUST REFER TO THAT AS FULLER DOES MORE. 
          SO IT HAS ITS OWN TITLE. 
          UM, AND THEN THAT COULD INCLUDE THE ROBERT PEARSON MCCHESNEY PRINTS OF WHICH WE COULD DECIDE HOW MANY WE WOULD LIKE TO PURCHASE. 
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WE COULD EXPLORE THAT MORE, BUT THAT WOULD ALSO REQUIRE FRAMING. 
          AND WE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES FOR THAT RIGHT NOW. 
          SO WE'D HAVE TO IDENTIFY THOSE RESOURCES. 
          THE THIRD OPTION WOULD BE THE FULL EXCHANGE FOR THE OWL WOMAN, THE COYOTE GODDESS WITH AL. 
          SO AS THAT'S THREE, SO THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT SETS OF OPTIONS. 
          THE FIRST TWO BOTH INCLUDE THE FULLER DOES MORE BEST 'CAUSE WE IDENTIFIED THAT BRONZE AS SOMETHING THAT'S WHOLLY DIFFERENT THAN THE REST OF THE COLLECTION. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER PIECES. 
          SO IF WE WANTED THE GODDESS, IT WOULD BE JUST THE GODDESS? YES. 
          THAT PIECE ACTUALLY IS LISTED AT $15,000 IN HIS GALLERY. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          AND SO HE WAS OFFERING US A DIRECT TRADE FOR 9,800 AT A FAR REDUCED RATE. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. 
          SO IT'S A, IT'S LIKE THE BEST AND THE SILK SCREENS OR THE BEST, THE OWL AND THE TORSO OR THE GODDESS. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES, OF COURSE. 
          UM, AND I JUST WANNA SAY ALL OF THE PIECES WERE OFFERED AT A REDUCED RATE THAN GALLERY PRICES. 
          IT IS A STRONG DESIRE OF THE ESTATE TO HAVE MARY'S COLLECTION HERE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          AND, UM, IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF THESE, WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'D BE PLACED YET, EXCEPT PERHAPS FOR THE OWL. 
          IF YOU GO TO THE LIBRARY, WE HAD EXPLORED DESIRED LOCATIONS AND BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A FINANCIAL MEANS FOR INSTALLATION RIGHT NOW, IT'S KIND OF UP IN THE AIR, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BEHOOVE US TO LOOK FOR PARTNERS THAT ARE ALREADY LOOKING FOR IMPROVEMENT ON, AND I HAVE SPOKEN WITH CIP AND THERE IS A DESIRE IN TO MAKE UP FOR NOT ALWAYS PAYING INTO THE FUND FOR PROJECTS. 
          'CAUSE A LOT OF PROJECTS HAVE NOT HAD THE ABILITY AT THE END OF INSTALLATION OR THE END OF PROJECT COMPLETENESS TO IDENTIFY THAT. 
          SO WE WANNA REALLY WORK TOGETHER AND SEE HOW CAN WE GET PROJECTS COMPLETED. 
          UM, WE'RE DOING THAT A LITTLE BIT RIGHT NOW WITH FINE BALANCE ON THE SOLAR. 
          WE'RE LOOKING FOR PUBLIC WORKS IS PUTTING A NEW POLE IN WHICH WILL SUPPORT THE SOLAR, WHICH WE'RE WORKING ON. 
          AND SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE HAVEN'T EXPLORED IN THE PAST. 
          WE'RE BEING RESOURCEFUL TO THE DEGREE WE CAN. 
          AND I THINK BEING FLEXIBLE WITH LOCATIONS WILL ALLOW US TO LIKE, HAVE, HAVE A DIFFERENT KIND OF LOOK AT THINGS, YOU KNOW, AS THEY IDENTIFY THEMSELVES. 
          LIKE WE CAN LOOK AT MAYBE AN OPPORTUNITY WHEN THE WATER, THE DRILL, UM, FOR A NEW WELL IS COMPLETED IN OAK HILL PARK, THAT THERE'S, THEY'RE GONNA BE PUTTING IN A PUMP HOUSE AND THINGS, AND THEY WERE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY A COMMUNITY MURAL, BUT MAYBE WE CAN SEE, WELL THEY'RE POURING CONCRETE IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES. 
          WE JUST HAVE TO BE READY TO SEE THEM AND, YOU KNOW, BE READY FOR THEM. 
          BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE, WE CAN TALK ABOUT LOCATIONS ONCE WE HAVE RESOURCES MORE READILY AVAILABLE IF WE'RE DONE WITH QUESTIONS, WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS. 
          UH, DO WE RECEIVE ANY COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING WE RECEIVED? NO PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM PRIOR TO THE MEETING. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          THANKS. 
          SO THEN WE'LL MOVE INTO A DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS. 
          WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO KICK IT OFF WITH HIS OR HER OPINION? I WILL JUST COMMENT. 
          I LIKE THE IDEA OF GETTING SOMETHING IN BRONZES BECAUSE THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE DETERIORATION OF IT. 
          UM, SO AT, AT THIS MOMENT, NOW THAT I REALLY UNDERSTAND THE EXCHANGE CHANGE, I WOULD SAY GO FOR THE GODDESS. 
          IT'S ALREADY IN CAST BRONZE. 
          IT'S ONE PIECE. 
          AND WE'D BE LOOKING FOR ONE NEW LOCATION. 
          I MEAN, I, I LOVE THE IDEA OF THE OTHER, UH, BRONZE BUS THAT'S UP THERE. 
          BUT, UM, JUST A CONCERN ABOUT THE DETERIORATION POSSIBILITIES. 
          CAN YOU CLARIFY WHICH BRONZE YOU'RE, YOU'RE RECOMMENDING FULLER DOES MORE OR THE NO, THIS ONE. 
          SO YOU, YOU, YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT THE COYOTE GOT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU'RE, SO THIS TO BE CLEAR, WE, THIS WOULD BE THE SECOND ONE YES, WE HAVE OF THAT. 
          SO WE WOULD HAVE TWO OF THE SAME. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, SIMILAR, RIGHT? SIMILAR. 
          THEY ARE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT. 
          I'M GONNA SCROLL TO THE OTHER ONE. 
          SO IF YOU, I SHOULD DO A SIDE BY SIDE, BUT YOU CAN SEE THERE'S, THERE'S SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT COLORS. 
          AND THE ONE AT THE ASTRO HAS, I'LL SEE IF I CAN MAKE IT A LITTLE LARGER SO WE CAN GET A LOOK AT THE CONDITION. 
          IT WOULD NEED TO BE CLEAN, BUT IT'S A LITTLE MORE GRAY LOOKING THAN THE OTHER ONE. 
          SO THAT'S THE 
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VARIABLE. 
          THEY'RE CAST FROM THE SAME MOLD, SO THEY ARE IDENTICAL EXCEPT FOR THE COLOR AND SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          I, SO I HOPE THAT'S CLARIFYING. 
          I ALSO LIKE THIS, UH, CAS BRONZE COYOTE GODDESS. 
          I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE, UM, THE PEAR ESPECIALLY. 
          AND JUST THROWING OUT THE IDEA PERHAPS AT WALNUT PARK BECAUSE IT ALREADY HAS THAT SYMMETRY IN THE PAST GOING ACROSS. 
          I THINK IT MIGHT MAKE A NICE GATEWAY. 
          UM, IF THIS WERE A VOTE, I, I LIKE THE FULLER DOES MORE AND THE OWL OPTION. 
          UM, I LIKE THAT ANIMAL COLLECTIONS AT THE LIBRARY AND THE OWL, YOU KNOW, SYMBOL, THIS IS WISDOM. 
          I THINK THAT MIGHT FIT IN WELL AT THE LIBRARY. 
          UM, I'M NOT REALLY A, A BIG PROPONENT OF THE PRINTS. 
          I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHERE THEY WOULD FIT IN AND BE APPRECIATED BY THE PUBLIC. 
          UM, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THEY WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO GO INTO A PUBLIC BUILDING AND I JUST, I'M NOT SURE WHAT PUBLIC BUILDING THEY WOULD BE MOST APPRECIATED IN, BUT I'M CERTAINLY OPEN TO HEAR OTHER PEOPLE'S OPINIONS. 
          VICE CHAIR D***S. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, I'VE BEEN CONSIDERING THIS, THIS TRADE IN FOR A WHILE AND THE PRINCE WOULD HAVE TO GO IN A SPECIAL PLACE, UM, FOR SURE TO BE APPRECIATED. 
          NOT ONLY BY THE PEOPLE WHO WORK THERE, BUT BY THE VISITING PUBLIC. 
          UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE INTERESTING WHEN THEY'RE SEEN AS A WHOLE IN PERSON. 
          I REALLY LIKE THEM PERSONALLY, BUT THEY DON'T, THEY HAVE LESS OF A UNIVERSAL APPEAL THAN EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          SORT OF HAS A CARICATURE OR AN ANIMAL OR A, YOU KNOW, MYTHOLOGICAL THING. 
          SO PERSONAL INTEREST ASIDE, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE THE BEST SOLUTION BECAUSE THERE'S, IT'S AN UNKNOWN WHERE THEY WOULD GO. 
          UM, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH CHERYL THAT WE SHOULD INVEST IN A BRONZE BECAUSE IT JUST MITIGATES ALL THE PROBLEMS THAT WE'VE ALREADY RUN INTO. 
          UM, WHILE I, LIKE THE FULLER DOES MORE BUST A LOT BECAUSE IT SORT OF BOOKENDS MARY'S CAREER AND HER STYLE OBVIOUSLY CHANGED A LOT. 
          I FEEL LIKE TO, TO FLUSH THAT TRADE OUT WITH MORE VERMICULITE CONCRETE SCULPTURES IS SORT OF AN UNKNOWN. 
          THESE OTHER SCULPTURES ARE ACTUALLY SMALLER IF THEY'RE ON, IF THEY FALL OFF OF A PEDESTAL, WHO KNOWS? I JUST FEEL LIKE THEY'RE LESS DURABLE. 
          SO I'M GONNA HAVE TO THROW MY HAT INTO THE COYOTE GODDESS, UM, AS A FLANKING, YOU KNOW, SORT OF INTRO. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO FIND THE RIGHT PLACE FOR IT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, TWO IDENTICAL PIECES OF ARTWORK WITH DIFFERENT COLOR BRONZES ADJACENT TO EACH OTHER IS MIGHT NOT COME OFF THE WAY WE WANT IT TO. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE REALLY THOUGHTFUL ABOUT THE PLANTINGS AROUND IT AND OTHER ASPECTS OF, YOU KNOW, HOW YOU APPROACH, HOW YOU ENCOUNTER THAT PIECE OF ARTWORK. 
          BUT I THINK THE INSTALLATION IS ON THOSE IS SO MUCH MORE SECURE, YOU KNOW, TO INVEST PUBLIC FUNDS IN SOMETHING THAT IS POTENTIALLY GONNA CRACK DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME. 
          WELL, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR COMMENTS. 
          THOSE SEEM LIKE, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE BUILDING TOWARD CONSENSUS, WHICH IS GREAT. 
          UH, I DO HAVE A QUESTION ACTUALLY FOR STAFF WHEN, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE BENCH, AND THIS MAY BE A COMPLETE NON-STARTER, BUT THE BENCH IS A, IS A SINGULAR PIECE RIGHT NOW, AND IT'S GONNA MOVE ON TO A NEW OWNER AT SOME POINT, AND THAT OWNER IS LIKELY GONNA RESTORE IT. 
          UM, BUT IT CANNOT BE. 
          UM, I WAS WONDERING IF YOU EVER HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH DENNIS KBI ABOUT COMPONENTS OF IT BECAUSE THE, UH, NO, I HAD NOT. 
          I MEAN, I THINK HE VIEWS IT AS A COMPLETE PIECE. 
          'CAUSE THAT WAS ORIGINAL SPRING HAD SHARED WITH ANNE AND I THAT SHE HAD OFTEN, LIKE WHEN SHE WAS CURATING SOME OF THE TOTEMS, SHE WOULD PUT THEM TOGETHER ACCORDING TO WHAT SHE FELT WAS THE MOST PRESERVED PIECES. 
          UM, THIS HOWEVER, WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED THIS WAY. 
          I UNFORTUNATELY DON'T HAVE AN IMAGE AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW OF THE REAR, BUT IT HAS LIKE WRITING THAT'S PRINTED ON PLASTIC THAT'S INDENTED, THAT HAS SOME MESSAGING AND IMAGE THAT ARE TIED TO THESE PARTICULAR PIECES ON TOP. 
          SO THIS WAS VERY INTENTIONAL, THIS ENTIRE PIECE. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          SO, UM, VICE CHAIR DIGS HAS, HAS SPENT THE MOST TIME WITH THIS PROJECT OVER THE, OVER ITS LIFE. 
          AND I TEND TO, UM, YOU KNOW, TRUST HER OPINION ON THIS. 
          AND I SAY THE, MY CONCERN PROBABLY IS A LITTLE BIT OF AN AMPLIFIED VERSION OF 
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WHAT HERS IS ABOUT DO HAVING TWO OF, UM, TWO IDENTICAL BRONZES IN THE SAME SPACE AS ONE ANOTHER, PARTICULARLY WHEN THEY'RE, WHEN THEY'RE A DIFFERENT FINISH. 
          SO IF THAT ENDS UP BEING ACQUIRED, UH, INSTINCTIVELY I WOULD NOT PUT THEM IN THE SAME SPACE. 
          I WOULD FIND TWO DIFFERENT PLACES IN THIS BIG TOWN OF OURS TO, UM, TO PUT THEM, UH, THE, UH, THE OTHER COLLECTION WITH, UH, FULLER DOES MORE THE, UM, AND THE OTHER TWO CONCRETE AND VERMICULITE PIECES. 
          THAT ONE IS JUST CARVED CONCRETE. 
          THERE'S NO VERMICULITE IN IT IN THE, I'M PRETTY SURE THEY'RE BOTH VERITE, DENTICAL, VERMICULITE. 
          I THINK THAT'S JUST HOW THEY TITLED IT BECAUSE VERMICULITE IS AN COMMON TERM THAT A LOT OKAY. 
          I'LL RESTART. 
          I COMMENT, I APOLOGIZE. 
          UM, I BELIEVE THEY ARE VERMICULITE. 
          UM, THEY LOOK TO BE THE SAME CONSTRUCTION AS THE OTHER ITEMS AND I BELIEVE HE PROBABLY USED THE TERM CARVED CONCRETE TO MAKE IT MORE ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC. 
          TO UNDERSTAND THE CONSTRUCTION. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I WAS LOOKING AT THE PRICES OF THOSE AND IT'S WONDERFUL THAT SOMEHOW A PACKAGE DEAL COULD POTENTIALLY COME TOGETHER, UM, THAT WOULD REDUCE THE PRICES. 
          BUT THEY ARE THOSE, UM, IN ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT THIS COMMITTEE PAID FOR OTHER WORKS OF THAT SCALE. 
          I SHOULD MAKE A CORRECTION. 
          THE CARVED CONCRETE TORSO WAS $1,200, NOT 4,500. 
          OKAY. 
          I DUPLICATED THE SLIDE AND DID NOT CORRECT THAT BEFORE THE MEETING, SO I APOLOGIZE. 
          THAT IS $1,200. 
          SO IT'S PRETTY CLOSE ON. 
          EVERYTHING'S PRETTY CLOSE WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE VALUE. 
          UH, THE OWL WAS A LITTLE PRICIER THAN I EXPECTED, CONSIDERING IT'S 24 INCHES TALL. 
          UM, BUT I FELT SINCE HE TIED THOSE TWO PIECES TOGETHER WITH THE BRONZE BUST, THAT THAT WAS FINE. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE IT, 'CAUSE THEY WERE COMING IN GENERALLY AT THAT SCALE CLOSER TO 2,500 TO 3000, BUT SINCE WE WERE, HE WAS REDUCING THE PRICE OF COLLECTING THOSE TOGETHER, I DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS AN ISSUE. 
          I DID THINK SINCE THESE MITE PIECES WERE INDOOR, THEIR LIVES THAT THEY WOULD PROBABLY BE IN ANOTHER INDOOR LOCATION. 
          THEY WOULDN'T BE OUTSIDE. 
          BUT, UM, THIS IS QUITE SMALL, LIKE IT'S NOT EVEN A FOOT AND A HALF. 
          SO I WANNA BE CLEAR. 
          IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S SMALLER THAN, IT'S LIKE THAT HEIGHT. 
          SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR THAT LIKE IT'S A PRETTY SMALL SCULPTURE. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WELL WE'RE NOT TAKING ACTION ON THIS TODAY, IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, WE DON'T, THIS IS AN EXCHANGE. 
          SO WE ARE JUST, WE ARE NOT BUYING SOMETHING NEW. 
          WE'RE EXCHANGING LIKE, FOR LIKE, SO YES, YOU CAN GIVE YOUR SUGGESTION AND STAFF WILL GO AND FOLLOW YOUR LEAD ON THIS. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WELL IT SEEMS AS THOUGH, UM, THE MAJORITY OF THE COMMITTEE PRESENT IS RECOMMENDING THAT OPTION NUMBER. 
          CAN YOU HELP ME WITH THIS? THE SECOND OPTION? THE SECOND OPTION, IT WAS ONE IS THE PREFERRED OPTION, 1.1 AND 1.2. 
          SO THOSE ARE ALL RIGHT. 
          AND THEN TWO. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL IF YOU COULD, STAFF COULD MOVE AHEAD UNDERSTANDING THAT AND UM, MAKE PLANS TO MAKE THAT EXCHANGE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR FEEDBACK. 
          I KNOW THIS WAS, THERE WAS A MILLION CHOICES LITERALLY, OR COMBINATIONS, BUT WHEN IT CAME DOWN TO MATERIALS, IT WAS A LOT OF HARD WORK FROM ANNE LOOKING, I FELT LIKE YOU REALLY LOOKED HARD AND I'M VERY GRATEFUL FOR YOUR SUBCOMMITTEE LEADERSHIP WHEN WE ARE ON SUBCOMMITTEES. 
          THIS IS THE KIND OF WORK I LOVE TO SEE. 
          IT MAKES MY JOB AND COLLABORATING WITH YOU SO MUCH EASIER AND I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          GREAT. 
          WELL WITH THAT, UM, 
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WE WILL CLOSE AGENDA ITEM TWO AND MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM THREE, WHICH IS, UH, COMMITTEE COMMENT. 
          AND, UM, AT THIS POINT I'LL JUST ONE LAST REMINDER ABOUT WHAT I WAS HOPING FOR IN COMMITTEE COMMENT, WHICH WAS REALLY SUBSTANTIVE, UH, UH, UPDATES FROM SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS IF THEY HAVE THEM ON THEIR WORK. 
          AND THEN ALSO, UM, EACH OF YOUR, UH, IDEAS, YOUR ENCOUNTERS, YOUR INSIGHTS ABOUT PUBLIC ART YOU MIGHT'VE SEEN ALONG THE WAY WITH COURSE OF THE, THE LAST MONTH AND THAT YOU THINK, UM, HAS THE POTENTIAL WITHIN THIS COMMUNITY TO, UM, TO BE MEANINGFUL. 
          SO, UH, FEEL FREE TO SOUND OFF ON EITHER OR BOTH OF THOSE. 
          UM, AND IF YOU, UM, IF YOU WOULD, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBER MEEN, YOU WANNA START OFF IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING? UM, I HAVE NO SUBSTANTIVE UPDATES ON MY SUBCOMMITTEES, BUT AS FOR COMMITTEE SUGGESTIONS, UM, 
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I THINK IT WOULD BE FRUITFUL TO LOOK AT HOW OTHER SIMILARLY SIZED CITIES AROUND THE BAY AREA OPERATE THEIR PUBLIC ART COMMITTEES. 
          AND I'VE JUST BEEN POKING AROUND. 
          I'VE SEEN A LOT OF, UM, FUNDS PUT IN BY THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND JUST A WIDER SOURCE OF FUNDING. 
          UM, BUT WE'VE SPOKEN ABOUT THIS IN PREVIOUS, PREVIOUS MEETINGS AND I THINK WE ARE GOING TO ADDRESS THAT WHEN WE REWRITE THE ORDINANCE. 
          SO THAT'S IT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, COMMITTEE MEMBER COLD IRON. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO, UM, ON MY AD HOC COMMITTEE WITH WOVEN STORIES, I DID EMAIL WITH RUDY, CALLED IT ON, AND I'LL, I'LL JUST READ TO YOU HIS EMAIL TO ME. 
          HE SAID, I JUST GOT THE DIGITAL WET STAMPED SCHEMATIC DRAWING FROM THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, AND MELISSA ABERCROMBIE SENT ME THE LINK TO THE CITY'S BUILDING PERMITS DEPARTMENT. 
          I'M FINALLY ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE INSTALLATION PREP. 
          THE ENGINEER SERVICES WERE REALLY DELAYED IN COMPLETING THE DRAWINGS, BUT IT'S ONTO THE PERMIT STAGE NEXT WEEK. 
          SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE WERE DELAYS, BUT THEN THINGS HAPPENED AND NOW THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD . 
          UM, AND THEN AS FAR AS THE SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO IMPROVE, UM, UM, ACTUALLY I THINK WE'RE, UM, THAT IS APPEARS TO BE, IS THAT SEPARATE SEP A SEPARATE AGENDA ITEM? IT'S A DISCUSSION ITEM THAT'S, YEAH. 
          SO YEAH, SO FEEL FREE TO, TO MESH IT IN HERE IF THAT WORKS WITH THE THAT'S FINE. 
          WE CAN DO IT HERE. 
          SINCE WE'RE, WE'RE A SMALL GROUP AND AGENDAS FAIRLY LIGHT. 
          SORRY, SINCE WE'RE A SMALL GROUP AND OUR AGENDA'S FAIRLY LIGHT, I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO DISCUSS IT NOW. 
          OKAY, GO FOR IT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, FIRST OF ALL, I WAS JUST THINKING HOW WE KIND OF ACQUIRE THE ART IN TWO DIFFERENT WAYS. 
          IN THE THREE YEARS I'VE BEEN ON THE COMMITTEE AND, AND RECOLLECTING WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST. 
          AND SO WE EITHER WOULD WORK ON ACQUIRING A PIECE OR WE WOULD REACT TO PIECES THAT WERE PRESENTED TO US. 
          UM, RIGHT NOW, UNTIL WE HAVE ADDITIONAL FUNDING, WE SEEM TO BE IN A FINISH UP OUR ACQUISITIONS AND IN A REACTIONARY MODE. 
          UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING I LOOKED AT, UH, AS KEVIN SAID IS WHAT ARE OTHER CITIES DOING? AND ALTHOUGH THEY'RE NOT DOING IT RIGHT NOW, IN THE PAST, THE CITY OF SONOMA HAS ACQUIRED ARTWORK ON A TEMPORARY BASIS. 
          AND I'D HAVE TO RESEARCH OR SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TO RESEARCH HOW EXACTLY THEY DID THAT. 
          BUT THEY WORKED, UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS WITH MOMA IN SAN FRANCISCO. 
          AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE PIECES ON DISPLAY IN THEIR, UH, IN THEIR PLAZA, IN THEIR CENTRAL PLAZA. 
          SO I JUST THOUGHT THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK INTO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT, WELL THANK YOU VICE CHAIR DIGS. 
          WELL, THANK YOU. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, SEE THAT MOVE FORWARD WITH FACT FINDING IS, ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU'RE GONNA DO SOME MORE RESEARCH ON THAT OR WOULD YOU, DO YOU NEED, LIKE SHOULD WE PUT IT TOGETHER A, A COMMITTEE OR SUB SUBCOMMITTEE? I MEAN, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD ALL BE RESEARCHING, BUT WHAT THE REALITY IS IS THAT WE'RE ALL VERY BUSY. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETIMES IT'S THE LAST THING WE CONSIDER, BUT MAYBE IF THAT WERE SORT OF AN ACTION ITEM OR I DON'T KNOW, UM, IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, HELP US TO, IF WE SET SOME GOALS ABOUT WHAT WE WANNA ACCOMPLISH DURING THIS SORT OF FLAT TIME THAT ARE NOT PROJECT SPECIFIC, I THINK THAT, UM, WE COULD EACH, YOU KNOW, COME TO OUR MEETINGS WITH A LITTLE MORE, UM, WIND IN OUR SAILS REGARDING DISCUSSIONS. 
          AND TO THAT EXTENT, I WAS THINKING IT MIGHT BE FUN IF NOT BUSY WORK, BUT ACTUALLY INTERESTING ENLIGHTENING WORK IS IF WE, UM, SORT OF TAKE TURNS ON OUR REGULAR MONTHLY MEETINGS PRESENTING SOMETHING, IT COULD BE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, A FINANCIAL PLAN FOR, YOU KNOW, HOW ANOTHER CITY APPROACHES IT OR THE TIME KEVIN PRESENTED HIS BURNING MAN IMAGES OR, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE THIS IS A REALLY GREAT TIME FOR US JUST TO INSPIRE EACH OTHER IN ARTWORK AND ALSO IN, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW THIS COMMITTEE MOVES FORWARD AND, AND MAKES A DIFFERENCE FOR PETALUMA. 
          'CAUSE IT'S EASY TO BE REACTIVE, BUT I THINK IT TAKES A LOT MORE CONSIDERATION TO BE PROACTIVE AND I THINK THIS IS A GREAT 
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TIME FOR US TO, INCLUDING MYSELF TO BE VERY PROACTIVE. 
          UM, SO THAT'S ONE THING I WOULD, AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO TAKE THE FIRST GO AROUND, BUT LIKE IF, IF EVERY MONTH SOMEONE WAS AVAILABLE TO PRESENT SOMETHING OF INTEREST, I THINK THAT WOULD REALLY HELP WITH CONVERSATION AND, UM, INSPIRING WHAT WE DO HERE. 
          AND THEN AS FAR AS YOU WANNA STOP THERE OR YOU WANNA NO, NO, NO, NO, THAT'S FINE. 
          AND THEN AS FAR AS SUBCOMMITTEE, YOU JUST HEARD ABOUT, UM, MY INVOLVEMENT WITH MARY FULLER MCCHESNEY, AND THEN I'M ALSO ON FINE BALANCE SUBCOMMITTEE, BUT I THINK THAT MELISSA PROBABLY HAS A MUCH MORE THOROUGH UNDERSTANDING OF THAT, AS DOES CHRISTOPHER. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF IF, UM, I, I WILL DEFER TO BOTH OF YOU ON THAT FRONT. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS. 
          AND, UM, I, I REALLY VALUE THOSE COMMENTS BECAUSE THEY, THEY REALLY ALIGN, I THINK WITH THE SPIRIT OF TIME TO TIME, WHAT'S COME THROUGH HERE AND WHAT'S WHEN, UM, I THINK IT'S A GREAT PRESCRIPTION GOING FORWARD. 
          SO I WOULD SUPPORT THAT. 
          UM, I'LL DO THAT IN SPIRIT, NOT IN . 
          . 
          I WAS GONNA SAY, ARE YOU, ARE YOU OFFERING ? YEAH. 
          SO, UM, YEAH, BEAR WITH ME HERE. 
          THERE ARE A FEW BIT FEW THINGS I'D LIKE TO TOUCH ON. 
          UM, SO FIRST OF ALL, UH, I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO, UH, CONGRATULATE, UM, THE REAPPOINTED, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBER MEEN FOR, UM, HE GET GETS NOW TO SERVE OUT A FULL TERM GOING FORWARD AND ALSO WELCOME TWO NEW COMMITTEE MEMBERS, UM, TANNER BORGER, BOGGER BOGGER, AND, UH, AND DOROTHY LELAND. 
          SO, UM, LOOK FORWARD TO WATCHING THEM IN ACTION IN THE COMING YEARS. 
          UM, ALSO SAW SOMETHING A MENTION ABOUT NAPA A COUPLE VALETS OVER, UH, APPROVING A $1.28 MILLION ART PLAY STRUCTURE, WHICH IS KIND OF REMARKABLE AND I THINK IT'S WONDERFUL FOR US TO SORT OF IMAGINE THAT IN RELATIVE TO THE SCALE OF THE PROJECT THAT, UM, THAT THIS BODY APPROVED AND WORKED AND, AND HAS WORKED ON WITH, UM, UH, THE RECREATION, MUSIC AND PARKS DEPARTMENT. 
          UH, AND THAT WAS, UH, FUNDED THROUGH THE CITIES, UH, NAPA'S PUBLIC ART AND PLAYGROUND REPLACEMENT FUNDS. 
          BUT PROBABLY IT COMES MAINLY FROM A STATE GRANT. 
          UM, ALSO WANTED TO NOTE THAT I DID, UM, REACH OUT TO JUST SEND A MESSAGE TO, UM, TO SANDY REED OF ZACH LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE, WHO'S BEEN A HUGE, UM, SORT OF VOLUNTEER, UM, DOER FOR THE SITE IMPROVEMENTS, THE POTENTIAL SITE IMPROVEMENTS AT THE RIVER ARCH SITE. 
          AND, UM, SHE'S IN A HOLDING PATTERN LIKE THE REST OF THE PROJECT IS, BUT SHE, UM, SHE'S NOW INFORMED ABOUT THE STATUS OF THE PROJECT AND I'VE GIVEN HER THE CONTACT INFORMATION FOR THE NEW, UH, SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS. 
          SO, UH, UM, THE, UH, UH, MELISSA CAN SORT OF PRO CAN PROVIDE HER INFORMATION IF YOU EVER WANNA REACH OUT TO HER. 
          UM, AND A FEW COMMENTS ON FINE BALANCE. 
          UM, LIKE TO, UM, ONE THING I'D LIKE TO DO, AND MAYBE WE CAN, MAYBE THIS IS MAYBE WE'LL JUST HAVE, MAKE THIS AN EXTENDED  COMMITTEE COMMENT, BECAUSE WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO WITH FINE BALANCE IS OPEN UP TO THE COMMITTEE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THINGS THAT THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT OR THEY'RE UNSURE OF FACTS ABOUT THE, THE PROJECT OR THE DYNAMICS BEHIND THE PROJECT OVER ITS LIFETIME. 
          YOU CAN DO THAT HERE AND NOW. 
          UM, BUT I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE USEFUL, UH, OR MAYBE EVEN THINGS THAT YOU HAVE HEARD FROM, FROM, FROM PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY OR IF YOU'VE READ ABOUT, UM, COMMENTS FROM PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT YOU WANNA VERIFY. 
          SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING, UM, THAT'S TOP OF MIND, GO AHEAD AND ASK OR AFTER THE FACT YOU CAN CALL ME. 
          OKAY. 
          THE, UM, OTHER, UH, ONE LAST THING ABOUT FINE BALANCE, AND THAT'S REALLY TO ADDRESS THE IDEA OF, UM, DESTRUCTION OR DAMAGING. 
          UM, AND THIS HAS COME UP WITH IN SEVERAL COMMENTS IN DIFFERENT VENUES, AND IT'S BEEN BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION AND IT'S, UM, I THINK I, WHAT WHAT I DO IS ENCOURAGE ANYONE WHO, UM, KNOWS A FELLOW CITIZEN WHO WHOSE MIND IS SORT OF IS, IS IN THE REALM OF DOING DAMAGE OR DESTRUCTION, UM, TO REALLY GET INTO A CONVERSATION WITH THAT PERSON AND ASK THEM WHETHER IT'S REALLY THEIR PRIORITY TO TAKE THE, THE WORK OF AN INDIVIDUAL, THE LIVELIHOOD OF AN INDIVIDUAL, UM, THE CREATION OF AN INDIVIDUAL 
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THAT MANY PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY HAVE WORKED TO BRING FORWARD, UM, IN AN, IN A PUBLIC PROCESS AND MANY OTHERS. 
          AND THAT ACT THAT IT ACTUALLY BELONGS TO EVERYONE IN THIS COMMUNITY. 
          AND WHETHER THAT PERSON REALLY STANDS BEHIND THE IDEA OF DOING DAMAGE TO THAT, IF THAT'S HOW HE OR SHE WANTS TO SPEND THEIR TIME, AND IF THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT TO BE KNOWN FOR GOING FORWARD, PARTICULARLY WHEN THERE'S SO MANY AMAZING OPPORTUNITIES TO DO CONSTRUCTIVE THINGS IN THIS COMMUNITY, SO MANY ORGANIZATIONS IN NEED OF SORT OF CONSTRUCTION CONSTRUCTIVE ACTIVITY. 
          SO, UM, THAT WOULD BE A CHOICE THAT SOMEONE COULD MAKE THAT WOULD BE A GOOD CONVERSATION FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE WITH ONE ANOTHER. 
          SO APPRECIATE THAT. 
          AND I THINK AN AWESOME PIECE OF PERSPECTIVE ON THIS WAS JUST PUT IN THE ARGUS COURIER YESTERDAY. 
          IT WAS AN ARTICLE THAT, UM, DAVID TEMPLETON WROTE. 
          HE ALSO WROTE TWO OTHER ARTICLES ABOUT PUBLIC ART, WHICH I THINK IS REALLY COOL. 
          UM, BUT HE WROTE AN ARTICLE THAT IN THAT, UM, INTERVIEWED FIVE LOCAL MEANING PETALUMA ARTISTS WHO, UM, WORK IN THE PUBLIC REALM. 
          AND I THINK IT REALLY DOES A GREAT JOB OF FRAMING SORT OF THEIR OUTLOOK ON, ON HOW THEY THINK THEIR WORK AND OTHER, THE WORK OF OTHERS SHOULD EXIST IN THE PUBLIC REALM AND HOW IT INTERACTS, UM, HOW THE PUBLIC CAN SORT OF PERCEIVE IT AND INTERACT WITH IT IN ACCEPTABLE WAYS. 
          AND, UM, I THINK IT'S JUST A WONDERFUL ARTICLE AND I'D ENCOURAGE EVERYONE NOT ONLY ON THE COMMITTEE, BUT ANYONE, UM, ANY EVERY CITIZEN TO READ IT BECAUSE IT'S REALLY, UH, REALLY WELL DONE IN MY OPINION. 
          UM, THAT'S MY COMMITTEE COMMENT. 
          I'D ADD A FEW THINGS JUST ABOUT THE, UM, WAYS OF, UM, IMPROVING THE PUBLIC ART PROGRAM. 
          I'VE GONE THROUGH THIS A BUNCH OF TIMES, SO I THINK IT'S ON THE RECORD, BUT, UM, WHAT I WOULD SAY TO, UM, TO BUILD ON WHAT VICE CHAIR DIGG SAID WAS, UM, I'D ENCOURAGE EVERYONE ON THE COMMITTEE TO ADOPT A PET PROJECT, SORT OF, UM, A RENEGADE OUTSIDE THE LINES PET PROJECT, SOMETHING YOU'RE INTERESTED IN, AND GRAB IT AND SEE WHERE IT CAN GO. 
          AND I'M SAYING THAT, I MEAN, THAT CAN BE SOME EXAMPLES OF THINGS THAT SORT OF, THAT I, THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE PAST WOULD BE LIKE, HEY, THAT BUILDING'S GOING UP THERE AND I COULD REALLY USE SOME MURALS. 
          IT'S A PRIVATE ORGANIZATION THAT OWNS THAT BUILDING, BUT MAYBE WE CAN GET IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM AND SEE IF THEY'D BE INTERESTED IN GETTING SOME MURALS ON THE WALL. 
          MAYBE NOT THROUGH OFFICIAL CHANNELS, BUT MAYBE WE COULD HELP FACILITATE THAT. 
          BUT YOU CAN DO ALL THAT LEGWORK AND THEN YOU CAN BRING IT TO THE COMMITTEE AND SEE WHAT THE COMMITTEE SAYS. 
          OR MAYBE YOU CAN BE INTERESTED IN SORT OF MORE PLACEMAKING OPPORTUNITIES, UM, AS WE'VE TRIED TO DO WITH SEVERAL PROJECTS. 
          AND THAT'S CAN BE DONE IN PARALLEL WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF PROJECTS. 
          AND PARTICULARLY NOW THAT STAFF HAS PUT, ALWAYS HAS TRIED TO SEED THESE PROJECTS GETTING ON THE GROUND FLOOR OF MUNICIPAL PROJECTS. 
          THERE MAY BE MORE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT AND MORE CREATIVE WAYS THAT THE PUBLIC ART FUND CAN BE SPENT TO DO DESIGN COMPETITIONS OR REALLY, UM, GREAT THINGS TO GET GOOD, REALLY MEANINGFUL ART AND DESIGN INTO THE COMMUNITY, UM, IN A MORE INTEGRATED WAY. 
          UM, AND COULD BE COLLABORATING WITH OTHER CIVIC ORGANIZATIONS, UM, THAT YOU, THAT YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH, THAT YOU'RE INVOLVED IN. 
          UM, JUST IMAGINE THE POSSIBILITIES AND, UM, DREAM THEM UP, BRING THEM TO THE COMMITTEE, TALK WITH CITY STAFF AND, UM, SEE WHERE IT CAN GO. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE MY MAIN SUGGESTION ON HOW TO, UM, UH, HOW THE COMMITTEE CAN, CAN OPERATE AT A HIGHER LEVEL. 
          UM, AND THEN JUST GENERALLY, I THINK IT MAY BE THE CASE WITH A LOT OF THINGS, UM, IN CITY GOVERNMENT IF YOU COULD, UM, IF WE CAN BUILD AN ACCOUNTABILITY INTO OUR PROCESSES A WHOLE LOT MORE, I THINK, UM, THERE WOULDN'T, THESE PROJECTS WOULD GET DONE IN A MORE TIMELY WAY. 
          SO, UM, CHRISTOPHER, COULD I ASK FOR CLARIFY CLARIFICATION ON LIKE THE WHAT YOU WANT ACCOUNTABLE FOR JUST TO BE SURE THAT THAT'S NOTED? YEAH. 
          SO, UM, PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, CONTRACTS SORT OF SEEK TO HOLD, UM, SEEK AN AGREEMENT THAT WOULD HOLD BOTH PARTIES ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ENDS OF, OF WHAT THEY'RE AGREED TO. 
          BUT SOMEHOW IN THERE IT'S REALLY, WE, UM, WE'RE, THERE'S A, IT SEEMS LIKE WITH EVERY PROJECT, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ONE THAT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN, THE TIMELINE IS ALWAYS STRETCHED. 
          THE TIMELINE IS 
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SOMETIMES SO DRAMATICALLY THAT IT'S ALMOST LIKE PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC FORGETS ABOUT IT, THIS COMMITTEE LOSES TRACK OF IT, THE MOMENTUM IS GONE AND WE END UP CHASING AND STAFF TIME ENDS UP USING MORE HOURS THAN THEY NEED TO. 
          UM, IF SOMEHOW THERE'S ME, THERE ARE MECHANISMS IN PLACE TO HOLD ALL PARTIES ACCOUNTABLE, THAT IS THE CITY, THE CITY STAFF, THE, THE, UH, AND THE ARTIST. 
          UM, I THINK WE'D BE WELL SERVED. 
          IS THAT CLEAR? ALL RIGHT. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO, UM, WE CAN HAVE ANOTHER GO AROUND IF ANYONE HAS ANY, IF UM, ANYONE HAS ANY FURTHER COMMITTEE COMMENTS. 
          ALRIGHT, GREAT. 
          WELL THEN WE'LL 
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CLOSE, UM, CLOSE AGENDA ITEMS THREE AND FOUR AND MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM FIVE, WHICH IS STAFF COMMENT. 
          THIS IS MELISSA ABERCROMBIE, OUR PUBLIC ART SPECIALIST. 
          THANK YOU CHRISTOPHER AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS. 
          I'M VERY GRATEFUL FOR ALL OF YOUR FEEDBACK. 
          I'M TAKING NOTES AND I'M, I'M JUST GLAD TO HAVE YOU ALL INVOLVED IN SHARING YOUR OPINIONS. 
          IT'S THE WHOLE GROUP THAT REALLY HELPS GIVE US VALUE. 
          AND SO I'M, I'M REALLY GRATEFUL FOR THOSE CONTRIBUTIONS AND I HAVE TO SAY, IT'S INTERESTING TO BE, TO BE ONE OF YOU AND THEN TO BE ON THIS SIDE OF THINGS. 
          I THINK IT GIVES YOU A UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE OF JUST HOW HARD IT CAN BE TO ASSEMBLE ALL THE WORKING PARTS IN THE RIGHT ORDER AND HAVE THEM ALL WORK AT THE RIGHT TIMEFRAME. 
          SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S SURPRISING AND WONDERFUL. 
          IT'S LIKE A VERY ELABORATE DANCE AND YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO AREN'T COMMUNICATING DANCING WITH YOU. 
          SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S A LOT OF, UH, A LOT OF INTERESTING PROJECTS. 
          SO WE'LL START WITH FINE BALANCE. 
          I WAS VERY HAPPY TO SEE SO MUCH ROBUST DIALOGUE ONLINE. 
          WE, AS WE STATED, WE HAD THREE PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          I DIRECTLY RESPONDED TO BOTH OF THEM. 
          UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH THE PUBLIC THAT YOU ARE BEING HEARD. 
          UM, NOBODY CURRENTLY SERVING ON THIS COMMITTEE, ASIDE FROM CHRIS HAS FOLLOWED THE PROJECT ALL THE WAY THROUGH. 
          WE'VE DONE WHAT WE WERE ASKED TO DO BY CITY COUNCIL, WHICH WAS TO FIND A NEW LOCATION AND TO PLACE THE PIECE. 
          AND SO WE HAVE FULFILLED OUR OBLIGATIONS TO THE BEST DEGREE WE COULD. 
          SO WHEN THERE ARE NEGATIVE COMMENTS ONLINE OR THREATENING COMMENTS TOWARDS VOLUNTEERS, COMMITTEE MEMBERS, STAFF, OR THE ARTWORK, IT IS COMPLETELY INAPPROPRIATE. 
          IT IS DOCUMENTED. 
          THE POLICE, NEW POLICE CHIEF IS INVOLVED IN OUR PLAN OF PROTECTING THE PIECE AND HAVING CAMERAS ON IT FOLLOWING INSTALL. 
          AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REMIND THE THE PUBLIC THAT WE HEAR YOU AND WE ARE TRYING HARD TO MITIGATE ALL OF THE OPINIONS AND FEEDBACKS WE GET WITHIN THE PURVIEW THAT WE HAVE TO OPERATE IN AND UNDER THE RESPONSIBILITIES THAT WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH. 
          SO IT'S JUST A REMINDER THAT YOU'RE, WE'RE NOT DISINGENUOUS AND HOW WE'RE APPROACHING THIS AND IN NO WAY ARE WE TRYING TO CAUSE HARM. 
          ART IS REALLY A LUXURY AND UM, WE HAVE TO TREAT IT AS THOUGH NOT EVERYTHING'S GONNA BE FOR EVERYONE. 
          THAT'S WHY THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT CHOICES IN LIFE. 
          BUT WE WOULD LIKE THE POSSIBILITY TO CONTINUE TO CREATE WORKS THAT MAY MAY TOUCH YOU IN THE FUTURE. 
          AND I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT THERE'S NOT A PIECE IN OUR COLLECTION THAT DOESN'T TOUCH OR HAVE SOMEBODY RESPOND TO IT. 
          WE'RE NOT ALWAYS GONNA MAKE EVERYONE HAPPY, BUT WE ARE DOING THE BEST WE CAN WITH THAT FINE BALANCE. 
          UM, I HAVE A TIMELINE SET UP HERE OF A BEGINNING OF SITE PREP. 
          UM, IT'S A LITTLE DELAYED AT THIS POINT BECAUSE THE CONTRACTOR, BRIAN PERLOFF HAS COVID. 
          SO WE HAD PUT OUT NO PARKING SIGNS FOR SIX 20 THROUGH SEVEN 20 PUBLIC WORKS HAS SINCE REMOVED THOSE AS OF YESTERDAY PENDING THE HEALTH OF THE CONTRACTOR. 
          SO WE CAN BEGIN INSTALLATION. 
          I WANTED TO ALSO SHARE PUBLIC WORKS. 
          WE'LL BEGIN WORK ON THE POLL. 
          AND SO, WHICH WILL HAVE THE SOLAR PANEL MOUNTED ON IT, AND THAT'LL BE 6 28, SO JUNE 28TH, JUST AROUND THE CORNER. 
          BUT I WANTED TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT, UM, THESE ARE THE THINGS WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW AND UM, IT'S A PRIORITY TO US TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          FENCING WILL BE INSTALLED NEXT WEEK. 
          THERE WILL BE LIMITED USE OF THE PARK DURING THIS TIME. 
          A REMINDER THAT THIS IS FOR TWO PIECES, PARKING WILL ONLY BE CLOSED OFF FOR 50 FEET, SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF PARKING BEING LOST, BUT IT IS A PRIORITY THAT THE CONSTRUCTION TRUCKS OF PUBLIC WORKS AND 
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THE CONTRACTOR CAN BE AT THE SITE. 
          I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO DISCUSS THAT REBUILDING TOGETHER, WE WILL HAVE A PARK CLEANUP DATE. 
          REBUILDING TOGETHER ORIGINALLY HELPED CREATE THE SITE. 
          THE SITE WAS THERE, BUT THEY HELPED CLEAN UP THE SITE AND INSTALL BENCHES 20 NEARLY 20 YEARS AGO. 
          SO THEY ARE RETURNING FULL CIRCLE TO COME AND HELP US THIS TIME. 
          AND THERE WILL BE VOLUNTEER OPPORTUNITIES TO SIGN UP MORE MID JULY. 
          THERE WILL BE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT, BUT I ENCOURAGE PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED TO HELP. 
          IT'S GONNA BE AN EASY LIFT IF THERE'S A FEW OF US. 
          I ALSO WANTED TO NOTE THAT, UM, BRIAN GOGGIN'S INVOICE FOR MILESTONE FOUR IS WAS SUBMITTED ON JUNE 19TH. 
          UM, CHRISTOPHER ALREADY COVERED THE ARGUS COURIER STORIES. 
          I ALSO DID AN INTERVIEW ON THE CRUSH ON JUNE 14TH. 
          THAT WENT VERY WELL. 
          IT WAS, IT WAS NICE TO TALK ABOUT THINGS. 
          UM, I HAD AN UPDATED IMAGE COME IN TODAY, UM, OF THE PIECES AND EVERYTHING'S MOVING ALONG SWIMMINGLY, IT'S PRETTY MUCH GOOD TO GO. 
          UM, AND THEN I DID WANNA ASK COMMITTEE MEMBERS IF THEY WERE INTERESTED IN HELPING ARRANGE OUTREACH TO PAST STAFF AND FORMER COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO HELP ARRANGE AN UNVEILING CEREMONY. 
          SO, UM, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT OVER EMAIL, BUT I WOULD LIKE, SINCE YOU CAN'T TALK TO EACH OTHER MORE THAN TWO OF US AT A TIME, THIS WAS ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY TONIGHT TO DISCUSS IF SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE TO BE INVOLVED DIRECTLY IN THAT. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND TO THAT. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          IS IT POSSIBLE TO BRING SOMEONE ELSE INTO THE SUBCOMMITTEE? JUST BECAUSE I PERSONALLY WILL BE GONE FOR TWO WEEKS IN JULY AND I AM ON THAT COMMITTEE AND WELL, THE UNVEILING WOULDN'T TAKE PLACE LIKELY. 
          NO, NO. 
          JUST TO, YOU KNOW, CREATE THE, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE UNVEILING. 
          THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF COORDINATION INVOLVED YEAH. 
          IN THE BACK END. 
          AND USUALLY I'M PRETTY INVOLVED, BUT I KNOW I WON'T BE VERY INVOLVED. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT, I THINK ALL COMMITTEE MEMBERS ARE ALLOWED TO BE INVOLVED IN THE UNVEILING. 
          THAT'S THE, IF YOU COMMUNICATE WITH ME, I CAN CREATE A SPREADSHEET, YOU GUYS SHARE YOUR IDEAS AND I'LL PULL IT TOGETHER AND WE CAN, IT'S GONNA, IT'S NOT COMMITTEE WORK PER SE TO DO THAT, BUT THERE HAS BEEN REQUESTS FROM THE COMMUNITY FOR AN UNVEILING. 
          THE ARTIST HAD WROTE IN HIS ORIGINAL PROPOSAL THAT THERE WOULD BE AN UNVEILING. 
          SO ANYTHING ADDITIONAL OUTSIDE OF THAT WOULD JUST BE A VOLUNTEER EFFORT. 
          AND SO WE CAN DO THAT FROM BEYOND COMMITTEE MEETINGS FOR, FOR THAT PARTICULAR PART. 
          AND I CAN BE A CONDUIT BETWEEN IT TO MAKE A SPREADSHEET AND MAKE IT EASY. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT . 
          SO WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO BE INVOLVED IN A, IN SOME PART OF THE UNVEILING CEREMONY? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          CHRISTOPHER, FROM BEYOND, WOULD YOU LIKE TO  FROM BEYOND, UH, PPAC? WOULD YOU LIKE? YEAH, WELL YOU CAN KEEP IN TOUCH ABOUT THE REBUILDING TOGETHER. 
          UM, YEAH. 
          EFFORT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, AND I WANNA JUST TELL YOU THAT I HAD CONFIRMED WITH PARKS THAT WE WILL BE GETTING OYSTER SHELL BACK AT THE SITE, WHICH IS REALLY NICE. 
          WE HAD BEEN CONSIDERING DECOMPOSED GRANITE, BUT IT WAS GONNA BE A WHOLE OTHER MATERIAL. 
          SO WE, WE'D HAVE TO REMOVE THE EXISTING OYSTER SHELL AND IT WOULD JUST BE A LITTLE BIT OF AN ENCUMBRANCE TOWARDS BEING EFFICIENT. 
          SO THE FACT THAT IT'LL BE OYSTER SHELL AGAIN MEANS THAT WE CAN REUSE EXISTING MATERIALS AND ADD TO IT. 
          IT'LL BE A REALLY NICE CLEAN LOOK. 
          UM, ALSO THE PARKS TRASH CAN AND PAD INSTALLATION FOR THAT. 
          WE HOPE TO HAVE THAT COMPLETED BEFORE THE PUBLIC UNVEILING, BUT IT'S NOT AN ACTUAL, UM, SELECTED SCHEDULE YET. 
          CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION? SURE. 
          I'M SURPRISED I DON'T KNOW THIS, BUT THE TWO BENCHES THAT ARE THERE NOW, ONE'S BEING REMOVED TEMPORARILY FOR INSTALLATION. 
          THAT WAS THE PLAN AT ONE POINT, BUT IT'S IT'S NOT YES. 
          AS OF RIGHT NOW, NOTHING'S BEING REMOVED OR TOUCHED. 
          IT'S ALL GOING TO, EVERY SINGLE THING THAT'S ATTACHED TO THAT SITE WILL STAY ATTACHED TO THAT SITE. 
          CORRECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, AND THEN I HAVE A CLARIFYING QUESTION. 
          SURE. 
          DO WE HAVE SORT OF A, UM, ANY IDEA OF WHEN THE UNVEILING MIGHT BE? WE, WE TALKING AUGUST, SEPTEMBER. 
          IT'D PROBABLY BE AUGUST. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT'S INTERESTING IS WE HAVE THREE PIECES THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE INSTALLED THIS SUMMER. 
          AND SO I'LL GET TO THAT THROUGH MY LIST. 
          SO IT'S GONNA BE A BUSY SUMMER FOR PUBLIC ART. 
          UM, BUT WE'LL GET TO THAT . 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO MOVING ON TO WOVEN STORIES, UM, I HAD ALSO BEEN IN CONTACT WITH RUDY AND I'M SO GRATEFUL FOR CHERYL TO 
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REACHING, FOR REACHING OUT TO HIM. 
          HE SENT ME COPIES OF THOSE WET STAMP DRAWINGS AND DEANNA IN BUILDING AND I HAVE CREATED UM, OR HAD CORRESPONDENCE WITH HIM TALKING HIM THROUGH HOW TO SIGN UP. 
          'CAUSE HE WAS, HE WAS HAVING SOME FRUSTRATIONS WITH SIGNING UP AND SO HE HAS EVERYTHING LAID OUT NOW AND I I'VE OFFERED TO WALK HIM THROUGH IT IF IT'S ANY ADDITIONAL PROBLEM. 
          AND THEN HE WILL HAVE A OUTSTANDING BALANCE DUE TO HIM UPON COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT OF $5,000, JUST AS A REMINDER. 
          SO THE COMMITTEE'S AWARE OF THAT, BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE ARE MOVING FORWARD AND WE ARE HOPING THE HOPE FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAD BEEN THAT THEY WOULD BE INSTALLED BE THAT IT WOULD BE INSTALLED BEFORE SCHOOL WAS BACK IN SESSION, THAT THE PAD AND EVERYTHING COULD BE DONE WHEN THE, WHEN THE CHILDREN AREN'T AROUND TO INTERACT WITH THE CONCRETE . 
          AND SO, UM, I'M HOPING THAT THAT CAN HAPPEN AND I'M WORKING HARD TO MAKE SURE WE CAN FACILITATE IT TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY. 
          AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS VERY EXCITED. 
          NO UPDATES ON KENILWORTH PLAYGROUND EXCEPT FOR THAT IT, WE'RE LOOKING AT GRANTS AND COMMUNITY PARTNERS AND RESOURCES FOR THE 25 26 CYCLE. 
          UM, AND THERE IS GOING TO BE HOPEFULLY A PRESENTATION AT COUNCIL THAT WILL COME TO COUNCIL IN AUGUST FOR FINAL APPROVAL OF THE PARK PROJECT. 
          I SHOULD MAKE SURE FINAL APPROVAL OF MI G'S PLAN FOR THE ART PROJECT, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE ALL EGGS PIECES. 
          MARY, ER, MCCHESNEY, WE HAVE COVERED  IN A BIG WAY. 
          UM, WE'RE STILL WAITING ON THE SMALL ARTWORK COMMISSION UNTIL WE HAVE ADDITIONAL FUNDING. 
          I WILL UPDATE THAT TO 2024. 
          SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          NO UPDATES ON TRAFFIC. 
          CALMING THE SMART PARCEL. 
          THERE ARE UPDATES ON THE RIVER ARCH PHASE TWO. 
          UM, AS CHRISTOPHER TALKED ABOUT SANDY REED, DAVID BEST IS COORDINATING HAVING THE BENCH DELIVERED FROM VAN VAN BBER TO THE SITE. 
          AND SO I WANTED TO LET YOU GUYS BE AWARE THAT THAT BENCH WILL BE BEHIND FENCING AT THE RIVER ARCH SITE. 
          JUST ON, ON NATHAN APPLE'S DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS SHARED WITH THE CITY. 
          UM, AND THE OTHER TWO PIECES THAT WERE ON THE TRAIL HAD BEEN MOVED AND HEAVILY VANDALIZED. 
          ONE OF 'EM HAD BEEN, WE DO HAVE SOME VANDALISM TO THE SITE, WHICH WHEN DRAKE CUNNINGHAM FROM REBUILDING TOGETHER, WHEN HE COMES BACK IN TOWN, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT HOW WE CAN WORK TOGETHER TO CLEAN UP THE SITE. 
          UM, THERE IS SOME DETERIORATING CONDITIONS, BUT IT'S JUST, IT, I BELIEVE IT CAN BE SANDED AND REMOVED AND CLEANED OFF. 
          IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF THE TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION. 
          I DON'T THINK IT WILL CAUSE PERMANENT DAMAGE, BUT IT'S REALLY NICE TO HAVE HAD THOSE PIECES ALL MOVED TO A SECURE LOCATION SO THE PUBLIC IS NO LONGER INTERACTING WITH THEM IN AN INAPPROPRIATE WAY UNTIL THEY CAN BE INSTALLED PROPERLY. 
          UM, AND WE'VE ALSO BEEN IN TALKS WITH BJORN, UM, I'M SORRY, I'M TOTALLY BLANKING ON HIS NAME RIGHT NOW. 
          GRIPEN BERG? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          I APOLOGIZE THAT I DID NOT GET THAT. 
          UM, BUT I'VE TALKED TO HIM AND HE BELIEVES THAT PUBLIC WORKS COULD HELP SU SUPPORT THE GRADING AND INSTALLATION OF THE, THE BENCH FRAGMENTS AND THE BENCH, OR I'M SORRY, THE ARCH FRAGMENTS AND THE BENCH BENCH AT THE SITE. 
          AND SO I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO MOVING THAT FORWARD IN THE NEW YEAR. 
          IT PROBABLY WON'T BE THIS YEAR, BUT IT'S ANOTHER PROJECT THAT WE HAVE ON THE HORIZON. 
          SO WHILE WE THINK WE'RE LIGHT, I DON'T THINK WE ARE . 
          I THINK WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF WORK AND THESE TIMELINES KIND OF KEEP SHIFTING, BUT IT'S ALL PILING UP RIGHT NOW AND THAT'S REALLY EXCITING. 
          SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN CONTINUE ON THESE RELATIONSHIPS. 
          HE ALSO IS OPEN TO EXPLORING SOLAR WITH US AS THEY DO LUNCH CREEK TRAIL IMPROVEMENTS THAT MAYBE WE CAN COMBINE OUR NEEDS, WHICH IS A REALLY AWESOME OPPORTUNITY SO WE CAN GET THAT ARCH LIT. 
          SO THAT'S PRETTY EXCITING. 
          UM, MOVING ON TO THE MURAL WALLS. 
          THERE ARE NO NEW DEVELOPMENTS. 
          UM, CURRENTLY NATHAN APPLE, WHO HAS HAD SUGGESTED THE OPTION OR THE OPPORTUNITY FOR MURAL WALLS ALONG HIS FENCING ON THE LYNCH CREEK TRAIL IS WORKING IN HAWAII. 
          HE WILL RETURN, I BELIEVE IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS. 
          SO THEN WE, HE SAID FROM THERE HE WOULD BE MOVING ON TO TALKING TO THE CITY ABOUT THE FENCE FER KELLER STREET GARAGE. 
          THERE ARE NO NEW UPDATES. 
          I HAD REACHED OUT TO DRAKE CUNNINGHAM ABOUT THAT AND IT HAS NOT HAPPENED YET. 
          IT'S JUST A MATTER OF COORDINATING WHEN IT'S EASIEST TO GET TO THE SITE AND DO IT WHEN THE PUBLIC'S NOT AROUND FOR CLEANUP AND PREPARATION OF THE REPAIRS. 
          THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL TWO ITEMS THAT I WILL BE ADDING TO OUR LIST MOVING FORWARD, BUT I DIDN'T TODAY, WHICH IS THAT WE HAVE BEEN APPROACHED BY CATHERINE GREGOR TO 
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PROVIDE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF SERVICE HOURS TO US IN SUPPORT OF REVISITING OUR ORDINANCE. 
          IT HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED BY THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT OR THE CITY JUST YET, BUT SHE HAS SENT OVER A SCOPE OF SERVICES AGREEMENT TO SHARE WHAT SHE WOULD BE VOLUNTEERING FOR. 
          AND SO WE HAVE A REALLY GREAT OPPORTUNITY FROM SOMEBODY TO VOLUNTEER FROM WITHIN THE COMMUNITY WITH EXPERIENCE. 
          AFTER WORKING ON THE CITY OF LAREDOS PUBLIC ART ORDINANCE IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN, SHE'S ALSO BEEN A PLANNER, A REPORTER. 
          SHE HAS A REALLY INNATE UNDERSTANDING OF PUBLIC POLICY AND HOW PUBLIC ART PROGRAM CAN WORK. 
          SHE LIKES THE IDEA OF BREAKING IT UP INTO SECTIONS AND STARTING WITH A FUNDING COMPONENT FIRST AS A PRIORITY SO THAT WE CAN LOOK AT HOW WE OPERATE A PUBLIC ART FUND WHEN COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ISN'T PAYING INTO THE FUND, THAT PROJECTS AREN'T HAPPENING. 
          AND SO IT'S A REALLY UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY THAT COULD COME AT VERY LITTLE EXPENSE TO THE, TO THE CITY. 
          SO I'M EXCITED THAT THAT'S PRESENTED ITSELF AND I APPRECIATE CHRISTOPHER SMITH FOR THE INTRODUCTION THAT LED TO THIS OPPORTUNITY. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORKING BEYOND THE COMMITTEE TO REALLY FIND OPPORTUNITIES AND THEY'RE FOLLOWING THROUGH. 
          ANOTHER ITEM IS THE FAIRGROUNDS ART PROJECT, UM, ARTIST MICHAEL DARLINGTON AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER ON A PROJECT HE IS CREATING. 
          I WILL BE DOING A PRESENTATION ABOUT IT AT OUR NEXT MEETING. 
          IT WILL BE BEING INSTALLED LIKELY END OF JULY, BEGINNING OF AUGUST. 
          IF NO HURDLES PRESENT THEMSELVES, WE'RE WAITING FOR THE FAIRGROUNDS TO BE ACCESSIBLE AND THEN WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH AN INSTALLATION. 
          IT IS A PHOTO MURAL PROJECT THAT RUNS THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE SPEEDWAY BLEACHERS. 
          IT WILL BE PUBLIC FACING. 
          UM, SO YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SEE IT FROM PAYAN OR FROM THE FAIRGROUNDS PARKING LOT, PARTIALLY IT'S LARGE SCALE, APPROXIMATELY 20 FEET TALL. 
          THAT WOULD START AT THE TOP OF THE BLEACHERS AND WOULD BE ABOUT 10 FEET ABOVE GROUND LEVEL. 
          SO IT'S A PRETTY LARGE MURAL THAT WOULD GO IN SEVEN PIECES THAT ARE 16 BY 20 FEET. 
          WE ARE EXPLORING, UM, NEW GRADES OF VINYL. 
          WE WERE LOOKING AT 15 OUNCE, BUT WE WANT SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE UV OR 18 OUNCE VINYL, SO IT WOULD BE WIND RESISTANT. 
          OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE IT LAST TWO TO THREE YEARS. 
          SO WE'RE LOOKING AT OTHER, UM, VENDORS WHO MIGHT HAVE A UV OPTION THAT WILL BE MORE HELPFUL FOR US TO MEET THOSE GOALS. 
          THIS, OVER THE LAST, UH, SINCE MAY 10TH, MICHAEL AND I HAVE BEEN TEAMED TOGETHER. 
          I HELPED IDENTIFY, UM, PEOPLE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY THAT HAVE A HISTORY AT THE FAIRGROUNDS. 
          ALSO AT PLAN FEST. 
          WE IDENTIFIED COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO WERE IN ATTENDANCE AND INCLUDED THEM. 
          AND THROUGH WORD OF MOUTH, WE'VE DOCUMENTED APPROXIMATELY 150 TO 200 PEOPLE FROM WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          THESE INCLUDE MULTIPLE F-F-F-F-A PROGRAMS, UM, SIX DIFFERENT FOUR H PROGRAMS. UM, PEOPLE WHO ARE INVOLVED IN ORCHESTRATING THE EARLY DAYS OF THE FAIR, FAIR, FAIR BOARD MEMBERS, ADMINISTRATORS, UM, PEOPLE WHO ATTENDED THE LOS CN EVENT. 
          UM, PEOPLE WHO ARE INVOLVED IN JUDO AT THE FAIRGROUNDS, PEOPLE WHO ARE INVOLVED IN RACE CAR DRIVING AT THE FAIRGROUNDS, PEOPLE WHO HAVE MET THEIR MATES AT THE FAIRGROUNDS. 
          THERE'S A WHOLE STORY BEING PUT TOGETHER OF THE FABRIC OF THE FAIRGROUNDS AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE HISTORICALLY AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE RIGHT NOW. 
          THESE ARE BLACK AND WHITE IMAGES THAT ARE UNBELIEVABLE. 
          IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH MICHAEL GARLAND'S ARTWORK, I THINK YOU SHOULD LOOK 'EM UP. 
          IF YOU'RE NOT, UM, IF YOU HAPPEN TO BE IN POINT REYES STATION, YOU CAN GO TO TOBY'S AND SEE A SIMILAR PROJECT HE'S WORKING ON WITH THE, THE POINT REYES RESIDENTS. 
          THEY, UM, THERE'S SUCH A PROJECT GOING ON THERE. 
          IT'S ALL ON FENCING AND SO MANY COMMUNITY MEMBERS WISH TO BE A PART OF IT THAT IT KEEPS GROWING AND GROWING. 
          IT'S NOW OVER 300 FEET LONG, UM, WITH IMAGES ATTACHED TO PLYWOOD ON THE FENCING. 
          AND IT'S JUST A UNIQUE WAY TO POINT OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND EVERYONE THAT THERE IS SUCH A VALUE TO EVERYBODY WHO PARTICIPATES IN COMMUNITY BUILDING AND THE LIFE AT THE FAIRGROUNDS. 
          AND WE NOW HAVE INCREASED ACCESS TO GO AND LOOK AT ART THERE. 
          SO I THINK IT'S A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY TO GO AND INTERACT WITH THAT. 
          AND WE'RE HOPING FOR AN INSTALLATION DATE END OF JULY, BEGINNING OF AUGUST. 
          SO OUR NEXT MEETING, THAT PRESENTATION WILL TAKE PLACE. 
          UM, IT'S JUST A FABULOUS, PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST REWARDING PROJECTS I'VE EVER WORKED ON PERSONALLY BECAUSE I'VE BEEN ABLE TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE AND LEARN THEIR STORIES. 
          AND IT LOOKS LIKE THIS WILL POTENTIALLY GROW INTO STORYTELLING EVENTS OR OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE MUSEUM. 
          AND I'M JUST SO EXCITED. 
          SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU WERE ALL AWARE OF THAT OTHER COMPONENT. 
          IT'S A SPECIAL PROJECT I'M DOING FOR THE 
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CITY MANAGER AND, AND FOR THE CITY OUTSIDE OF THE REALM OF PUBLIC ART. 
          BUT IT'S USING MY BACKGROUND IN THE ARTS TO, AND AS AN ACTIVE COMMUNITY MEMBER TO, TO REALLY DO SOME COMMUNITY BUILDING THROUGH THE ARTS. 
          IT'S THE COMMONALITY OF THE SHARED EXPERIENCES WILL REALLY HELP ALL OF US BE AWARE OF EACH OTHER AND OUR VALUE AND THE VALUE OF SPACE. 
          SO ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THESE ITEMS? I JUST HAVE A, I GUESS A CLARIFYING QUESTION YEAH. 
          ON THAT PROJECT, WHICH SOUNDS AMAZING. 
          UM, BUT AS FAR AS THIS BODY IS CONCERNED, WE'RE NOT BEING ASKED TO PITCH IN OR HELP OR JUST PROVIDE INPUT OR ANYTHING, JUST MORE IT WAS JUST A ONE OFF CALL SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT. 
          YEAH, OKAY. 
          IT'S A MORE OF A ONE-OFF. 
          UM, WE WILL BE DOING EVENTS AROUND IT, WHICH I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE EVERYBODY PARTICIPATE IN WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT AND AN UNVEILING AS WELL. 
          BUT IT WAS REALLY A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY TO STEP IN QUICK WITH A PROJECT THAT HAD BEEN IDENTIFIED AND COME UP WITH A WAY TO KEEP ART GROWING IN OUR COMMUNITY WHEN THE FUND IS NOT ACCESSIBLE FOR OTHER NEW PROJECTS. 
          AND SO I WAS REALLY THANKFUL FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. 
          ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WELL, THANK YOU FOR WELL, I HAVE A, UM, UH, QUESTION ALONG THE SAME LINES AS VICE CHAIR DIGS. 
          IT'S REALLY, WELL, IT'S MORE OF AN OBSERVATION. 
          I THINK THE, THE, THE EXCITEMENT THAT YOU HAVE FOR THIS PROJECT AND THE FACT THAT YOU THINK IT'S GOING REALLY WELL AND IT'S JUST, BY ALL ACCOUNTS, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE A WONDERFUL PROJECT. 
          UM, IT'S REALLY HEARTENING TO KNOW. 
          UM, I GUESS I LOOK AT, I'VE ALWAYS WONDERED ABOUT IT RELATIVE TO THIS BODY AND HOW IT EXISTS, WHY IT EXISTS IN, ITS IN ITS CURRENT CAPACITY, UM, VERSUS BEING PART OF THIS BODY. 
          AND I, AND I EX I'VE, I THINK I UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, IT ALSO, BECAUSE IT EXISTS THE WAY IT DOES, IT'S MOVING VERY QUICKLY  AND IT'S GONNA GET DONE AT A HIGH LEVEL. 
          AND THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN. 
          UM, WHAT I'D ASK EVERYONE HERE TO, TO SORT OF WEIGH IN THEIR MINDS IS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE WERE PRESENTED THE SAME PROJECT AS A BODY? HOW WOULD IT GO? HOW WOULD WE COME OUT WITH AN EQUALLY HIGH LEVEL PRODUCT AT THE END IN SORT OF A SIMILAR TIMELINE? AND I DON'T THINK WE COULD BECAUSE WE, WE GO THROUGH THIS RIGOROUS PUBLIC PROCESS. 
          SO THE FACT THAT THIS PROJECT EXISTS WITHOUT THAT PROCESS, BUT IT'S A VERY COMMUNITY BASED PROJECT. 
          I THINK IT'S JUST IS VERY UNIQUE AND IT JUST EXER DESERVES CONSIDERATION GOING FORWARD IN CASE OTHER PROJECTS LIKE THIS COME UP. 
          I DEFINITELY AGREE. 
          I THINK IT'S A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY IN THAT MICHAEL WAS DOING SOMETHING SIMILAR. 
          UM, I HEARD OF A DESIRE TO DO A PROJECT AT THE FAIRGROUNDS AND IT WAS AN EASY CONNECTION. 
          AND I THINK BECAUSE I'VE BEEN ON THE COMMITTEE FOR A WHILE, AND BECAUSE I AM IN THIS ROLE, I KNEW THAT THE FUNDS FROM THE PUBLIC ART PROGRAM COULD NOT SUPPORT THE STAFF TIME AND THE, UM, MEETING TIME FOR US TO DO IT THAT WAY. 
          I, I DON'T THINK IT'S A PROJECT THAT NECESSARILY, BECAUSE IT WAS A ONE-OFF AND IT WASN'T FROM A LARGER POOL. 
          IT WAS LIKE A, IT WAS A KNOWN QUANTITY. 
          AND I THINK DOWN THE ROAD THAT IS SOMETHING WE COULD DO. 
          I FEEL LIKE WE'RE IN A DIFFERENT SPACE RIGHT NOW. 
          I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING FROM CITY STAFF, THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, THE THE CITY COUNCIL, IS THAT THERE'S A STRONG DESIRE TO PUT ART IN A LOT OF OUR PLANNING AND PROCESSES. 
          UM, YOU GUYS SAW IN OUR GENERAL PLAN CONVERSATION THAT ART THROUGHOUT ALL, ALL IDENTIFYING, YOU KNOW, FRAMEWORKS, IT, IT WAS MENTIONED IN MOST OF THEM AS A PRIORITY FOR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, FOR INTERACTION, FOR BEAUTIFICATION, FOR HITTING GOALS AND PRIORITIES OF THE COMMUNITY IN SO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS. 
          CREATING, YOU KNOW, GATEWAYS INTO DOWNTOWN, INTO CONNECTIVE AREAS THAT I FEEL LIKE IT, IT, IT'S MOVING FORWARD. 
          WE'RE IN A DIFFERENT SPACE. 
          I THINK WE, MOVING FORWARD, WE LOOK FOR PARTNERS EVERY STEP OF THE WAY. 
          AND WE ALSO HEAR PARTNERS WHEN WE DO HAVE THE FUNDS TO DO WORK, AND SOMEBODY COMES TO US FROM WITHIN THE, THE CITY AND THEY SAY, I'VE GOT THIS PROJECT, WHAT DO I DO? I THINK WE, WE PERK UP AND LISTEN. 
          AND I THINK WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT LONG-TERM HAS COST US A LOT OF MONEY. 
          'CAUSE I WANNA STILL BE ABLE TO DO REQUESTS FOR PROPOSALS FOR SPECIFIC WORKS I WANT, I WANT, 'CAUSE WE HAVE DONE, WHEN CHERYL WAS TALKING ABOUT THE TWO WAYS 
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SHE HAD IDENTIFIED, LIKE HOW I SEE IT, WE'VE BEEN GIFTED PIECES, WHICH WE WILL GET EVENTUALLY. 
          WE HAVE PURCHASED PIECES DIRECTLY FROM AN ESTATE AND IN THE PAST WE HAD BEEN LOANED PIECES LIKE CHERRY SODA, AND THEN WE BOUGHT THEM LATER. 
          UM, WHEN THE ESTATE, WHEN ROBERT ELLIS DIED AND WE WERE, HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO PURCHASE IT, WE DID. 
          SO THERE'S QUITE A FEW WAYS WE'VE COME TO ART. 
          UM, AND WE'VE DONE RFPS FOR SITE SPECIFIC WORKS. 
          WE'VE, YOU KNOW, HAD OUR SMALL ART GRANTS, OUR COMMUNITY ART GRANTS, AND I THINK WE LOOK AT WHAT IS EFFICIENT FOR US. 
          AND RIGHT NOW OUR THINKING HAS TO CHANGE. 
          IN THE PAST WE HAD THE LUXURY OF BEING ABLE TO TAKE TIME AND REALLY GO THROUGH A LONG PROCESS AND IDENTIFY THINGS, AND THAT'S GREAT. 
          I WANT THAT TO COME BACK. 
          BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TO BE ULTRA SCRAPPY AND RESOURCEFUL WITHIN OURSELVES. 
          AND I'M, I'M HERE FOR THAT AND I'M, I REALLY THINK IT'S GONNA BE A UNIQUE CREATIVE TIME FOR US BECAUSE WE'RE THINKING IN A DIFFERENT REALM REALLY BECAUSE OF NECESSITY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WELL, THANK YOU, UH, WITH THAT WE'LL CLOSE, UH, UH, AGENDA ITEM FIVE. 
          AND ACTUALLY I HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT IF THAT'S OKAY. 
          I WANTED TO THANK CHRISTOPHER SMITH FOR EIGHT YEARS OF SERVICE TO HIS COMMUNITY WITH ABSOLUTE PASSION AND GENEROSITY AND RESOURCEFULNESS AND UNWAVERING COMMITMENT TO THE PROJECTS AND THE THE SUBCOMMITTEES. 
          AND I'VE HAD THE FORTUNE OF WORKING WITH DEB SMITH ON PROJECTS IN THE PAST, AND IT WAS REALLY GREAT TO GET THIS CHANCE TO WORK WITH CHRIS. 
          AND I CAN SAY, IF YOU EVER GET THE CHANCE TO PARTNER WITH THE SMITHS, YOU'RE GONNA ACCOMPLISH THINGS. 
          SO THANK YOU, CHRIS. 
          I'M REALLY GRATEFUL. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WELL, THANK YOU. 
          I WANNA ADD TO THAT CHRIS MADE ALL OF US BETTER. 
          I THINK THAT KIND OF SUMS IT UP, HIS THOUGHTFULNESS, HIS QUESTIONS, HIS CURIOSITY, UM, HIS INSIGHT, HIS ANALYSIS. 
          SO THANK YOU CHRISTOPHER. 
          MY PLEASURE. 
          YES, YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO ANOTHER ONE. 
          YOUR LEADERSHIP WILL REALLY BE MISSED. 
          I MEAN, YOU REALLY SET THE BAR HIGH AND MODEL ALL OF THESE WONDERFUL THINGS, BUT YOU, YOU REALLY, YOU JUST TAKE IT UP A NOTCH AND I SO APPRECIATE THAT. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          YES, THANK YOU. 
          YOUR PROFESSIONALISM, YOUR GUIDANCE, UM, YOUR THOROUGHNESS IS INSPIRING. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          BEST OF LUCK FOR ALL YOUR FREE TIME IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MUCH APPRECIATED. 
          LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING GREAT THINGS COME OF THIS COMMITTEE AND ALL OF THE PEOPLE INVOLVED PAST, PRESENT, AND FUTURE. 
          SO, UM, WE'LL, UH, CONSIDER THIS MEETING ADJOURNED AT 7:23 PM.
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