* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] OKAY. GOOD [CALL TO ORDER] AFTERNOON EVERYONE. UH, WELCOME TO THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE HISTORIC AND CULTURAL PRESERVATION COMMITTEE FOR TUESDAY, AUGUST 8TH, 2024. UH, THIS AFTERNOON WILL BEGIN WITH APPOINTMENT OF THE NEW COMMITTEE MEMBERS, UH, AND CITY CLERK KAITLYN CORLEY WILL BE ADMINISTERING THE OATH OF OFFICE TO THESE NEW MEMBERS. WELL, THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR BEING HERE. IT'S ALWAYS EXCITING TO COME AND VISIT ONE OF THE CCBS AND JUST APPRECIATE YOU GUYS VOLUNTEERING YOUR TIME TO SERVE THE CITY. SO, UM, I'LL HAVE THE TWO NEW MEMBERS, UH, JOIN ME RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE DAIS HERE, GIVE YOU GUYS A LITTLE CHEAT SHEET TO READ ALONG. BUT I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA READ IT AND YOU'LL JUST, OKAY. SO, UH, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND THEN JUST, UH, REPEAT AFTER ME. YOU CAN KIND OF DO IT IN UNISON. SO, I STATE YOUR NAME, DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR I ALEXANDER SAMANTHA BAR JENISON. DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR. DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT I WILL SUPPORT AND DEFEND THAT I WILL THAT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, THE CHARTER OF THE CITY OF PETALUMA, THE CHARTER OF THE CITY OF PETALUMA, AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA AGAINST ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC AGAINST, AGAINST ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC. THAT I WILL BEAR TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE, THAT I WILL BEAR TRUTH, FAITH, AND ALLEGIANCE TO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, TO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATES, TO THE CHARTER OF THE CITY OF PETALUMA, TO THE CHARTER CHARTER OF PETA AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, THE CONSTITU, AND TO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED, OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, CALIFORNIA. THAT I TAKE THIS OBLIGATION FREELY, THAT I TAKE THIS, I TAKE THIS OBLIGATION, OBLIGATION FREELY WITHOUT ANY MENTAL RESERVATION, WITHOUT ANY MENTAL RESERVATION OR PURPOSE OF EVASION, PURPOSE OF, OF EVASION. AND THAT I WILL WELL AND FAITHFULLY, AND THAT I WILL, WELL AND FAITHFULLY, FAITHFULLY DISCHARGE THE DUTIES. DISCHARGE THE DUTIES UPON WHICH I'M ABOUT TO ENTER UPON, UPON WHICH I AM ABOUT TO, TO ENTER. CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YAY. NO WAY, . GREAT. THANK YOU, MS. CORLEY. AND, UH, WE'D LIKE TO WELCOME COMMITTEE MEMBERS, UH, SAMANTHA BARCLAY SAXON, AND COMMITTEE MEMBER ALEX JENISON TO THE DE AND, UH, DAIS AND, UH, JOINING US THIS AFTERNOON. WELCOME. CONGRATULATIONS. AND SO WE'VE JUST HAD OUR, UH, ANOTHER NEW APPOINTEE JOIN US THIS, THIS AFTERNOON. UH, THIS IS MR. MARIO LOPEZ AND CITY CLERK KAITLYN CORLEY WILL ADMINISTER HIS OATH OF OFFICE AS WELL. OKAY. SO I'LL GIVE YOU THAT TO READ ALONG, BUT I'M GONNA READ IT OUT LOUD AND YOU'LL JUST FOLLOW ALONG. SO, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND REPEAT AFTER ME. I STATE YOUR NAME, DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR. I ADMIRE LOPEZ. DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT I WILL SUPPORT AND DEFEND, THAT I WILL SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF CALIFORNIA, UH, OOPS, I'M SORRY. WE SKIPPED ONE. THE CHARTER OF THE CITY OF PETALUMA, THE CHARTER OF THE CITY OF PETALUMA, AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA AGAINST ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC, AGAINST ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC. THAT I WILL BEAR TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE, THAT I WILL BEAR TRUE FAITH AND AN ALLEGIANCE TO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, TO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, THE CHARTER OF THE CITY OF PETALUMA, THE CHARTER OF THE CITY OF PETALUMA, AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA. THAT I TAKE THIS OBLIGATION FREELY, THAT I TAKE THIS OBLIGATION FREELY WITHOUT ANY MENTAL RESERVATION, WITHOUT ANY MENTAL RESERVATION OR PURPOSE OF EVASION OR PURPOSE OF EVASION, AND THAT I WILL WELL AND FAITHFULLY, AND THAT I WILL WELL AND FAITHFULLY DISCHARGE THE DUTIES, DISCHARGE THE DUTIES UPON WHICH I'M ABOUT TO ENTER UPON WHICH I'M ABOUT TO ENTER. CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU. YES. AND SO, MR. LOPEZ WILL JOIN US, UH, ON THE DAYS AS WELL AS A NEW COMMITTEE MEMBER. WELCOME MR. LOPEZ. IT'S GREAT TO HAVE YOU WITH US THIS AFTERNOON. AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER, AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK, UH, RETURNING COMMITTEE MEMBER WHITLEY TO ASSUME THE CHAIR ROLE FOR THIS MEETING. [00:05:01] I WILL DO SO. GREAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. CAN WE HAVE THE CLERK TAKE A ROLL CALL COMMAND. COMMAND MEMBER BARCLAY SAXON HERE. BE SURE TO PRESS ON THE BUTTON. THE LIGHT WILL TURN GREEN. YEAH. HERE. AWESOME. UH, COMMITTEE MEMBER LOPEZ HERE. COMM COM. SORRY. COMMITTEE MEMBER P NGARO. ABSENT COMM COMMITTEE MEMBER GENON HERE. COMMITTEE MEMBER ACTING CHAIR. WHITLEY. HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. OKAY, NOW WE OPEN THE, UM, GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT SESSION. SO, UH, DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT THAT THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON ITEMS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THAT ARE WITHIN THE HCP C SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION AND THAT ARE NOT LISTED ON THE CURRENT AGENDA, PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED UP TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON. UH, DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF PERSONS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE HCPC, TIME WILL BE ALLOCATED IN EQUAL SHARES TOTALING NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES. DO WE HAVE ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE GENERAL COMMENTS SEEING THAT WE DO NOT. WE WILL MOVE ON. UM, DID THE CLERK RECEIVE ANY COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING? WE RECEIVED NO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING. OKAY. UM, IN THAT CASE THEN WE CLOSED THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT SESSION AND CONTINUE WITH THE AGENDA. UM, THERE ARE NO PRESENTATION ITEMS TODAY AND, UM, THAT ITEM MEETING IS CLOSED. [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] SO, UH, ITEM MEETING NUMBER ONE IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR THE MEETING OF JUNE 4TH, 2023. UH, DO ANY COMMITTEE MEMBERS HAVE ANY, UH, AMENDMENTS OR CHANGES TO THE MINUTES FROM THAT MEETING? UM, SEEING THAT THERE ARE NONE, UM, THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED, UM, AS PUBLISHED, UM, AND WITH NO AMENDMENTS CLOSE CLOSING MEETING ITEM NUMBER ONE. UH, WE [PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION] ARE NOW ENTERING MEETING ITEM NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS A STUDY SESSION FOR THE DOWNTOWN FIRE STATION NUMBER ONE IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. UM, AND WE ARE HERE TO SOLICIT INPUT AND PROVIDE NINE NON-BINDING COMMENTS AS PART OF THE PLANNING REVIEW OF AN ADMINISTRATIVE HISTORIC SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW. A MINOR HSAR. SO THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, IT DOES NOT REQUIRE THE COMMITTEE TO DISCLOSE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS. UM, SO IF WE CAN HAVE THE APPLICANT'S, UH, PRESENT. GREAT. THANK YOU, CHAIR WHITLEY? UH, GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS ANDREW TRIP. I'M THE PLANNING MANAGER FOR THE CITY OF PETALUMA, AND I WILL BE, UH, PROVIDING THE STAFF PRESENTATION THIS AFTERNOON. UH, JOINING ME IN THE PRESENTATION WILL BE, UH, FIRE CHIEF JEFF SCH, AS WELL AS ARCHITECT MARK ALBERTSON. UH, OF COURSE, THE FIRE CHIEF, UH, LEADS THE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND IS, UM, OVERALL RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PROJECT. AND THEN, UH, MARK ALBERTSON IS THE PROJECT ARCHITECT. UH, THEY'RE ALSO IS A PROJECT MANAGER, UH, FOR THE CITY WHO PARTICIPATES AS PART OF THE PROJECT TEAM. OKAY, GREAT. SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND, UH, BEGIN OUR PRESENTATION. THIS IS A, A STUDY SESSION, UM, AS PART OF A PUBLIC MEETING, AND IT'S FOR THE DOWNTOWN FIRE STATION NUMBER ONE IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS EVENING'S STUDY SESSION IS FOR, UH, HCPC TO RECEIVE A STAFF PRESENTATION AND, UH, SOLICIT INPUT AND PROVIDE NON-BINDING COMMENTS AS PART OF PLANNING REVIEW OF AN ADMINISTRATIVE HISTORIC SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW APPLICATION FOR PROPOSED EXTERIOR ALTERATIONS OF THE DOWNTOWN FIRE STATION. NUMBER ONE BUILDING. THE BUILDING IS A TWO STORY BUILDING. IT DOES SERVE AS AN ACTIVE OPERATIONAL FIRE STATION, AS WELL AS OFFICE AND GARAGE. IT'S LOCATED AT 1 98 [00:10:01] D STREET, AND IT'S WITHIN THE BOUNDARY OF THE CENTRAL PETALUMA SPECIFIC PLAN, UH, THE SMART CODE T FIVE ZONING DISTRICT, THE BASIN STREET ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER AREA IN DOWNTOWN'S HISTORIC COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. SO WE DO ASK THAT HCPC INQUIRE AND COMMENT ON THE FOLLOWING ITEMS OF THE PROJECT. THE PROJECT'S INTENTION AND SCOPE WORK PROPOSED ON THE FIRE STATION WITHIN THE 1938 HISTORIC FABRIC REPLACEMENT OF THE 1970 EDITIONS, TWO GARAGE DOORS WITH FIVE NEW WINDOWS, AND THEN ADDITIONAL DETAILS FOR WINDOWS, DOORS, AND GARAGE APPARATUS SPACE. AND AS PART OF OUR INTRODUCTION TO THE, UH, TO THE PROJECT, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK, UH, CHIEF SHOCK TO COME UP AND PROVIDE A, AN OVERVIEW ABOUT THE PURPOSE AND INTENT OF THE PROJECT. OR ACTUALLY, CHIEF, IF YOU WANT, YOU CAN STAY RIGHT AT THE TABLE IF THAT'D BE WORKING. I'LL, I'LL DO IT EITHER WAY, IF THIS WORKS FOR THE COMMITTEE. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME'S JEFF SHOCK, AS STATED ON THE FIRE CHIEF FOR THE CITY OF PETALUMA. THANK YOU CHAIR AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT TONIGHT AND SHARE SOME EXCITING WORK THAT'S BEEN IN PROGRESS FOR QUITE A LONG TIME IN THE PLANNING PHASE, UM, STARTING IN 2022, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, DID A COMPREHENSIVE ANALYSIS OF ALL OF OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT OPERATIONS, FACILITIES, ADMINISTRATION, AND SPECIFIC TO FACILITIES. UH, SOME OF THE FINDINGS WERE, THERE ARE THREE CURRENT FIRE STATIONS ARE STRATEGICALLY PLACED THROUGHOUT THE CITY FOR PROPER RESPONSE TIMES. UM, BUT WE, OUR LADDER TRUCK, THE ONLY PLACE THAT FITS IS ON THE NORTH END OF TOWN, AND 10% OF OUR CALLS FOR SERVICE ARE HANDLED BY 9 1 1 PROVIDERS THAT ARE GOING ACROSS TOWN. SO PART OF THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO PUT A BRAND NEW FIRE ADMINISTRATION FACILITY AT THE FAIRGROUNDS PROPERTY, WHICH IS A SEPARATE PROJECT, BUT RELATED TO THIS ONE. UM, THE D STREET STATION AND ALL THE FIRE STATIONS NEED SIGNIFICANT. OUR NEWEST FIRE STATION WAS BUILT IN 1982. THE NEWEST, THE ONE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY WAS BUILT IN 1938. SO ALL OF OUR STATIONS REQUIRE SOME SAFETY AND PRIVACY UPGRADES. UM, BUT OUR D STREET STATION, UH, IS ABSOLUTELY THE PRIORITY. WE HAVE A REPORT BACK FROM 1999 THAT, UH, ISSUED SOME SEISMIC CONCERNS AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR FURTHER EVALUATION. AND, UH, DUE TO SEVERAL REASONS HAVE NOT BEEN DONE, AND WE'RE KICK-STARTING THAT PROJECT NOW. UH, IN 2023, WE COMPLETED THE PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES ASSESSMENT AND BASICALLY, UH, DETERMINED SOME OF WHAT I TALKED ABOUT THAT, UH, THE D STREET STATION IS IN THE PERFECT LOCATION FOR SERVICE TO THE DOWNTOWN AREA AND THE WEST SIDE, BUT IT ISN'T BIG ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE UPGRADES NECESSARY AND STILL ACCOMMODATE ADMINISTRATIVE AND SUPPORT PERSONNEL. THERE'S ALSO SEISMIC DEFICIENCIES LEAD IN ASBESTOS THAT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED. UH, IT'S NOT BUILT FOR A DIVERSE WORKFORCE. UH, WE HAVE ONE LARGE MALE BATHROOM, AND WE HAVE SEVERAL FEMALE FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDICS ARE ON DUTY 24 7. THE RESTING FACILITIES AREN'T APPROPRIATE, UH, FOR DIVERSITY, UH, WHICH, WHICH DOES HAMPER RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION INITIATIVES THAT WE'RE, WE'RE, THAT WE'RE DOING. UM, IT NEEDS PROPERLY VENTILATED PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT STORAGE, OUR PERSONAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT. UH, UNTIL RECENTLY, IT WAS STORED RIGHT OUTSIDE OF THE KITCHEN AREA. UH, NOW IT'S STORED OUTSIDE IN A TOUGH SHED. UH, THE EXERCISE FACILITY IS CURRENTLY IN AN APPARATUS BAY AND THERE AREN'T CURRENT, UM, AUTOMATIC FIRE ALARMS OR AUTOMATIC FIRE SPRINKLERS TO NAME JUST SOME OF THE DEFICIENCIES IN SAFETY AND, AND DIVERSITY INITIATIVES THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. THE MASTER PLAN IDENTIFIED, UH, IMMEDIATE AND SHORT TERM NEEDS AS PART OF THE IMMEDIATE PHASE. UH, THE RECOMMENDATION WAS FOR A COMPLETE SEISMIC EVALUATION AND, UH, UPGRADE SEISMIC UPGRADE TO THE D STREET STATION AND ADD A, AN ADDITIONAL BATHROOM DOWNSTAIRS WITH THE SHOWER FACILITY, UM, FOR THE SHORT TERM RECOMMENDATIONS CONSISTED OF, UM, THE CENTRAL LOCATION AS, AS I DISCUSSED AT THE FAIRGROUNDS, BUT THEN ALSO TAKE A LOOK AT THE D STREET STATION AND EVALUATE IT TO SEE IF IT CAN BE REMODELED AND UPGRADED TO REMAIN AN ACTIVE FIRE STATION FOR THE NEXT 30 TO 50 YEARS, OR IF IT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED WITH THE NEW STATION IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO WHERE IT CURRENTLY IS THIS SPRING AND SUMMER. WITH, WITH THE GREAT HELP OF, UH, UH, ARCHITECT MARK ALBERTSON AND OTHERS, UH, WE'VE DONE STUDIES OF THE FOUNDATION, THE CONSTRUCTION FEATURES, THE SOILS AND ENVIRONMENTAL CONTAMINANTS. AND THROUGH THIS ANALYSIS AND DESIGN, WE HAVE CONCLUDED THAT WITH THE CURRENTLY PROPOSED DESIGN THAT WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT, WE CAN ACCOMPLISH BOTH THE IMMEDIATE AND THE SHORT TERM PHASES, UH, TO CREATE A SAFE AND EFFECTIVE DOWNTOWN FIRE STATION TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY FOR THE NEXT 30 TO 50 YEARS, WHILE KEEPING AND IMPROVING ITS HISTORICAL PRESENCE. UH, IN THE [00:15:01] WHILE THAT'S HAPPENING, WE DO HAVE A TEMPORARY FIRE STATION DESIGN AND CONCEPT AND A PROJECT WE'RE WORKING ON. SO WE'D BE ABLE TO HAVE OUR FIRE ENGINE AND AMBULANCE CURRENTLY ASSIGNED TO THE D STREET STATION, UH, AT THE FORMER CASA GRANDE MOTEL SITE RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER. IT'S NOW A VACANT, UH, PARCEL, UH, AT 3 0 7 PUM BOULEVARD SOUTH. UH, AND ADMINISTRATION WILL BE IN TEMPORARY OFFICE SPACE THAT'LL BE LEASED IN THE THEATER DISTRICT. AND THIS PROJECT CURRENTLY HAS IS A, IS A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT IN THE FISCAL YEAR 25 AND FUTURE BUDGETS. UH, AND IT'LL BE PAID FOR WITH DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES, MEASURE U FUNDS, AND A RECENTLY PASSED COUNTYWIDE MEASURE H UH, COUNTY FIRE TAX. I COULDN'T BE MORE EXCITED. I'VE BEEN WITH, UH, THE PETAL LO FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR 24 YEARS. MOST OF THAT TIME HAS BEEN IN THIS HISTORIC FIRE STATION. I'VE LIVED IN THAT STATION FOR MOST OF THAT TIME. UM, AND I'M, I'M VERY EXCITED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AND BE ABLE TO, WE WERE CONTEMPLATING, YOU'LL, YOU MIGHT SEE IN, IN THE, IF YOU READ THE, THE FACILITY MASTER PLAN ABOUT POTENTIALLY $20 MILLION PROJECT. AND THAT WAS, IF WE HAD TO COMPLETELY ABANDON THAT SITE AND REBUILD IN ANOTHER SPOT, WE'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY A, AROUND A $5 MILLION INVESTMENT, KEEPING THAT FACILITY, KEEPING THE HISTORIC COMPONENT OF IT AS A FIRE STATION, AS THE LAND WAS DONATED BACK IN THE TWENTIES AND BUILT UP WITH, UM, WITH FUNDS BACK IN THE THIRTIES, UH, WHILE KEEPING AND ENHANCING THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF A, OF THIS PLUM ICON. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GREAT. THANK YOU, CHIEF. UM, SO WE'LL GO ON THEN WITH, UH, WITH OUR PRESENTATION AND INTRODUCTIONS. I ALSO WANNA INTRODUCE AT THIS TIME, UH, MARK ALBERTSON, THE ARCHITECT. MARK IS A PETAL LUMEN RESIDENT SINCE 1997. HE'S BEEN A PRACTICING ARCHITECT FOR A LICENSED PRACTICING ARCHITECT FOR 37 YEARS. UH, RECEIVED HIS MASTER'S IN ARCHITECTURE FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF UTAH, WHERE HIS STUDIES INCLUDED ONE YEAR'S COURSEWORK IN ARCHITECTURAL HISTORY, UH, AS PART OF THE WORK THAT HE'S COMPLETED DURING HIS TENURE AS A, UM, ARCHITECT THAT DOES INCLUDE, UH, MODIFICATIONS, ALTERATIONS TO THE RICHMOND CIVIC AUDITORIUM OVER A PERIOD OF SEVERAL PROJECTS SPANNING FROM 2015 THROUGH 2022. EACH OF THOSE PROJECTS WAS COMPLETED UNDER THE GUIDANCE OF A PRE-EXISTING HISTORIC STRUCTURES REPORT. AND ADDITIONALLY, HE'S COMPLETED SMALL SCALE EXTERIOR REMODELS ON TWO HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT LIBRARIES IN THE CITY OF RICHMOND. AND THEN ALSO PART OF THE, UH, PLANNING TEAM THAT IS CONDUCTING REVIEW OF THE DISCRETIONARY ENTITLEMENT APPLICATION IS THE CITY'S HISTORIC PRESERVATION SPECIALIST, ISABEL CASTIANO. MS. CASTIANO, UH, IS A, UM, M GROUP CONTRACT HISTORIC PRESERVATION SPECIALIST WITHIN THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENTS PLANNING DIVISION, AND HAS PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE IN ARCHITECTURE, HISTORIC PRESERVATION, AND URBAN PLANNING. IT IS THE OPINION OF PLANNING STAFF THAT BOTH, UH, MR. ALBERTSON AND MS. CASTIANO DO MEET THE QUALIFICATIONS FOR THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR, UH, QUALIFIED PROFESSIONALS TO EVALUATE, UH, HISTORIC STRUCTURES AND PROPOSE MODIFICATIONS TO THOSE STRUCTURES. SO THE PROJECT SITE IS, AS WE'VE, UH MENTIONED, IS LOCATED IN, UH, DOWNTOWN PETALUMA AT THE CORNER OF D STREET AND SECOND STREET, AND IT'S WITHIN THE CENTRAL PETALUMA SPECIFIC PLAN AND THE LOCAL HISTORIC COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, UH, AS DEFINED. IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT BECAUSE OF ITS, ITS LOCATION WITHIN THE CENTRAL PETALUMA SPECIFIC PLAN THAT IT IS SUBJECT TO, UH, THE REGULATIONS CONTAINED IN THE CITY'S SMART CODE AS AMENDED IN 2013. AND THOSE REGULATIONS DO REQUIRE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, UH, AS PART OF ANY MODIFICATIONS OR ALTERATIONS TO AN EXISTING HISTORIC STRUCTURE. UM, AGAIN, UH, STAFF HAS DETERMINED, AS INDICATED IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND, UH, A DISCRETIONARY REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF THE PROJECT'S REQUIRED HISTORIC SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COULD SERVE AS ONE IN THE SAME FOR THIS PROJECT. IN TERMS OF PROJECT TIMELINE AND TEMPORARY LOCATION, THE CONSTRUCTION IS EXPECTED TO START IN EARLY 2025, AND LAST APPROXIMATELY 12 MONTHS DURING THIS TIME OF FIRE SERVICES WOULD BE RELOCATED TO A TEMPORARY FACILITY, UH, TO BE CONSTRUCTED AT 3 0 7 PETALUMA BOULEVARD NORTH. WE FEEL THAT IT'S IMPORTANT, [00:20:01] UM, FOR THE COMMUNITY FOR, FOR, UH, BOTH PEOPLE HERE TODAY, BUT THEN OTHERS WHO MIGHT BE, UH, INTERESTED IN LEARNING ABOUT THIS PROJECT THAT ALL OPERATIONS AND SERVICES WILL CONTINUE UNINTERRUPTED, ENSURING THAT THE COMMUNITIES RECEIVES THE SAME LEVEL OF PROTECTION AND SUPPORT, UH, TO WHICH IT IS A CUSTOM. AND SO THE HISTORY OF THE, UH, THE EXISTING FIRE STATION, NUMBER ONE, THE ORIGINAL BUILDING IS PRIMARILY A WOOD FRAME STRUCTURE. STEEL TRUSS HAS SPANNED THE FOUR ORIGINAL APPARATUS SPACE, WHICH WE CAN SEE IN THE UPPER, UH, LEFT HAND IMAGE. THE EXTERIOR BUILDING FINISHED THROUGHOUT IS PAINTED PLASTER WITH THE DASH TEXTURE. THE EXTERIOR WINDOWS ARE STEEL FRAMED WITH SINGLE PANE GLAZING AND THE ORIGINAL APPARATUS BAY DOORS WERE CONSTRUCTED OF WOOD AND GLASS, BUT THEY WERE REPLACED WITH ALUMINUM BAY DOORS, WHICH DIFFERED IN APPEARANCE DURING THE 1970S ALTERATIONS. AND YOU CAN SEE IN THE BELOW RIGHT IMAGE, THE 1970S ALTERATIONS INCLUDING, UH, THE MODIFICATIONS TO THE APPARATUS BAY DOORS, AS WELL AS THE ADDITION, UM, TO THE, UH, TO THE EXISTING BUILDING. THE ORIGINAL MAIN ENTRANCE WAS NEXT TO THE TOWER AND FACED AN OUTDOOR PLAZA AT THE CORNER OF D AND SECOND STREETS IN THE 1970S. THE ADDITION WAS ADDED TO THE BUILDING, REMOVING THE OUTDOOR PLAZA, AND ADDING APPROXIMATELY 2052 SQUARE FEET TO THE BUILDING TO SUPPORT TWO ADDITIONAL GARAGE APPARATUS BAYS AND SEVERAL OFFICES AS RESEARCHED AND SUMMARIZED IN THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE EVALUATION AND PROJECT NARRATIVE SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE APPLICATION. THE FIRE STATION WAS ORIGINALLY CONDU CONSTRUCTED AND PLACED INTO SERVICE IN 1938. THE ORIGINAL STATION WAS DESIGNED BY ARCHITECT GREENER JONES IN 1937, AND THE ORIGINAL PLANS WERE DATED AUGUST 27TH, 1937. AND, UH, TO THE LEFT OF THE IMAGES ON THE SCREEN, WE CAN SEE, UH, THE ORIGINAL FLOOR PLAN CONSTRUCTION COMMENCED IN THE FALL OF 1937 WITH ADAM URA AND SON AS THE CONTRACTOR OF RECORD. THE ORIGINAL STATION IS OF ONE AND TWO STORY CONSTRUCTION WITH A CENTRAL MULTI MULTI-STORY BELL TOWER. THE ONE STORY PORTION OF THE BUILDING HOUSED FIRE APPARATUS, WHILE THE TWO STORY PORTION PROVIDED FOR 24 HOUR FIRE PERSONNEL LIVING QUARTERS. HERE WE HAVE SOME INTERIOR SHOTS, RECENT INTERIOR SHOTS OF THE, UH, THE BUILDING AND THE PURPOSE AND INTENT OF THE, OF THE, UM, PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS FOR THE INTERIOR INCLUDE GENERAL IMPROVEMENT FOR LIVING AND WORK ENVIRONMENT, AS DESCRIBED BY THE CHIEF IN HIS, UH, INTRODUCTORY COMMENTS, THE IMAGES TO THE LEFT SHOW CURRENT AND OUTDATED SPACES FOR DAILY KITCHEN, BATHROOM, AND GARAGE AREAS. SO IN THE PLANNING REVIEW PROCESS, UH, WE CONSULTED EARLY ON WITH, UH, THE CHIEF AND THE ARCHITECT REGARDING THE PLANNING REVIEW PROCESS. WE CONDUCTED A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING, UH, PRIOR TO SUBMITTAL OF THE APPLICATION, AS WELL AS AFTER THE APPLICATION WAS RECEIVED. UH, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THE REQUIRED PLANNING ENTITLEMENTS AS, AS INDICATED EARLIER, THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS REQUIRED BY THE CITY'S SMART CODE AND THEN HISTORIC SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW AS REQUIRED BY CHAPTER 15 OF THE IMPLEMENTING ZONING ORDINANCE. AND SO THE REVIEW, UH, PROCEDURE IS TO CONDUCT PLANNING REVIEW OF THE PROPOSED ALTERATIONS AND, UH, MAKE FINDINGS THAT WOULD SUPPORT, UH, A DETERMINATION ON THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND THE HS A R APPLICATION, UH, PLANNING STAFF INITIALLY HAS DETERMINED THAT ADMINISTRATIVE HS A R IS THE APPROPRIATE LEVEL OF REVIEW FOR THESE MINOR OR FOR THESE ALTERATIONS BASED UPON, UH, THE DEFINITION AS ALLOWED BY, UH, CHAPTER 15 OF THE IZO. HOWEVER, WE DID HAVE AN ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATION TO BRING THE PROJECT TO H-H-C-P-C IN A STUDY SESSION FORMAT, UH, TO RECEIVE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM HCPC, AND THAT WOULD BE THE REQUEST THAT WE HAVE BEFORE YOU TODAY. UH, FOR THE MINOR HRR ADMINISTRATIVE HR APPLICATION, UH, THE REVIEW AUTHORITY IS THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. AND SO THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT AS PROVIDED IN THE PROJECT MATERIALS INCLUDES THE, UH, HISTORIC, UH, SPAR REPORT DATED JUNE OF 2024 STATES. [00:25:01] THE PURPOSE OF, UH, THE IMPROVEMENT PROJECT INCLUDES THE HISTORY OF THE BUILDING AND ITS ARCHITECTURAL STYLE, IDENTIFIES CHARACTER DEFINING ELEMENTS, PROVIDES AN EVALUATION OF THE, UH, PROPOSED ALTERATIONS AND, AND THEIR POTENTIAL IMPACT ON THE STRUCTURE. AND THEN WE HAVE THE HISTORIC SPAR REVIEW SET THAT WAS ALSO SUBMITTED IN JUNE, AND THAT INCLUDED EXISTING, UM, PLANS, UH, DEMOLITION PLANS AND PROPOSED PLANS AND ELEVATIONS. ALL OF THIS INFORMATION WAS PROVIDED TO YOU AS PART OF YOUR MEETING ITEM. WE ALSO PROVIDED PRODUCTS SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE APP BAY DOOR REPLACEMENTS AND WINDOW REPLACEMENTS, AND THE PROJECT TEAM HAS BROUGHT, UH, A PHYSICAL EXAMPLE OF THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT WITH THEM TODAY, UM, FOR YOU TO, UH, TO TO SEE. SO THE SCOPE OF PROJECT FOR THE EXTERIOR ALTERATIONS, UH, THEY WOULD REPLACE THE CONCRETE APRON OUTSIDE OF THE APPARATUS SPACE. THEY WOULD REPLACE THE APPARATUS, BAY DOORS, AND PROJECT ARCHITECT, UH, MARK ALBERTSON WILL TALK A BIT ABOUT HOW THAT DOOR REPLACEMENT CONTRIBUTES TO THE SEISMIC UPGRADES THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR THE STRUCTURE, AS WELL AS EXTERIOR WINDOW REPLACEMENT. THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING, THE, UH, SOUTH BUILDING ENTRANCE WOULD RECEIVE A STOREFRONT REPLACEMENT SO THAT IT'S A DA COMPLIANT, AND THEY WOULD ADD AN, UH, MAN DOOR FROM THE APPARATUS BAY TO THE NORTH SIDE YARD. THEY WOULD RELOCATE THE AIR COMPRESSOR FROM THE APPARATUS BAY TO THE NORTH SIDE YARD AS WELL. AND THEY WOULD REPLACE OR RESTORE THE 1970S EDITION EXTERIOR PLASTER. THEY WOULD REPAINT THE ENTIRETY OF THE BUILDING, UM, USING AN EXTERIOR COLOR PALETTE FOR THE PLASTER COLOR, METAL TRIM, COLOR, WINDOW FRAME, COLOR AND APPARATUS, BAY DOOR COLOR. AND FINALLY, THEY WOULD CONSTRUCT A NEW TRASH ENCLOSURE AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY. THE INTERIOR, UH, MODIFICATIONS, WHICH ARE NOT PART OF THIS PROJECT'S, UH, HS. A R REVIEW WOULD INCLUDE VOLUNTARY AND MANDATORY SEISMIC UPGRADES. UH, THE APPARATUS BAY CONCRETE FLOOR SLAB REPLACEMENT, UM, RENOVATIONS TO ALL RESTROOMS TO PROVIDE FOR GENDER NEUTRAL FACILITIES, UH, MODIFICATIONS TO THE FIRST FLOOR, UH, TO COMPLY WITH AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACCESS REQUIREMENTS, UM, KITCHEN RENOVATIONS, SLEEPING QUARTER RENOVATIONS, UM, CONSTRUCTION AND DESIGNATION OF A DEDICATED DECONTAMINATION AREA AND TURNOUT GEAR STORAGE, UH, THE FORMALIZATION, I BELIEVE, OF A DEDICATED EXERCISE FITNESS ROOM. AND THEN FINALLY, INSTALLATION OF AUTOMATIC FIRE SPRINKLERS AND ALARM INSTALLATION. AND SO AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I'D LIKE TO TURN THE PRESENTATION OVER TO THE PROJECT ARCHITECT, UH, MARK ALBERTSON TO TAKE US THROUGH THE NEXT FEW SLIDES ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE BUILDING AS WELL AS THE PROPOSED, UH, ALTERATIONS. UH, THANK YOU ANDREW. UM, UH, AND CHIEF SHOCK, THE BOTH OF THOSE PRESENTATIONS WERE QUITE THOROUGH AND PROBABLY STOLE PART OF MY THUNDER BECAUSE I WAS GONNA SAY SOME OF THE SAME STUFF, BUT I, I'LL TRY TO, UH, NOT REPEAT OURSELVES, BUT, UH, THE, UM, UM, ARE YOU GOING TO BE ADVANCING SLIDES? OKAY. THE, THE, AS AS NOTED IN THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES REPORT, WELL, I WANNA BACK UP. BEFORE DOING THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES REPORT, WHEN WE REALIZED THROUGH A, A, A VOLUNTARY SEISMIC UPGRADE PROCESS, UM, THAT, THAT A NEW STATION FOR FIRE STATION NUMBER ONE WAS NOT GOING TO BE REQUIRED, WE'RE ABLE TO CONSOLIDATE BOTH PHASES OF, OF WORK INTO THIS PROJECT. AND SO THE PROJECT HAS KIND OF GROWN IN SCOPE FOR, FOR, FROM JUST BEING A SEISMIC UPGRADE WITH SOME FIRST FLOOR MODIFICATIONS TO INCLUDE ALL OF THE OTHER INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS THAT YOU'VE, YOU'VE NOW HEARD ABOUT. AND, AND TO THAT END, AT SOME POINT, THERE WAS SOME IMPACT TO THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING, WHICH, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL GET TO THOSE, WHAT THOSE, WHAT THOSE IMPROVEMENTS ARE. BUT, UH, FIRE STATION NUMBER ONE WAS, UH, BUILT IN 1938 AS DESIGNED BY LOCALLY FAMOUS ARCHITECT BRAINER JONES. UM, THE BUILDING, UH, CONTINUED TO OPERATE, UH, IN ITS CURRENT STATE, UH, UNTIL THE 1970S WHEN THE, WHEN THE ONE STORY EDITION WAS, WAS ADDED TO THE CORNER OF D STREET AND SECOND STREET, WHICH ESSENTIALLY TOOK OUT A, A PLAZA AREA THAT YOU SEE ON THAT TOP SLIDE. UM, IN, [00:30:01] IN REVIEWING THE PROJECT AND, AND THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES EVALUATIONS, THE, THE CONTRIBUTING ELEMENTS WERE, WERE SEPARATED INTO, UM, SIGNIFICANT, UH, CONTRIBUTING BUILDING ELEMENTS, UM, UM, CONTRIBUTING BUILDING ELEMENTS AND NON-CONTRIBUTING BUILDING ELEMENTS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE STATION, OBVIOUSLY FROM A MASSING PERSPECTIVE, UH, HAS, UH, THE BELL TOWER AND THE FOUR APPARATUS BAY DOORS WITH THE TWO ADDITIONAL DOORS FROM THE 1970S EDITION. SO THE, THE, UH, THOSE ARE THE, THE PRIMARY SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTING ELEMENTS TO THE BUILDING. IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, THE FOUR ORIGINAL APPARATUS BAY DOORS HAD A, A, UM, A PATTERN TO THEM THAT IS, UM, TYPICAL OF THAT PERIOD, BUT WAS REPLACED, UH, AS NOTED EARLIER, WITH A, A ALUMINUM OVERHEAD, UH, DOORS, UH, AND, AND DURING THE 1970S. BUT THE, IT HAS THE, BEEN THE INTENT OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO, TO RECOGNIZE, IN ADDITION TO MAINTAINING THIS AS AN ESSENTIAL SERVICES, UH, UH, FACILITY FOR THE NEXT 30, 40, 50 YEARS, TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE HISTORIC ARCHITECTURE, SO, UM, THE, THE APPARATUS BAY DOORS IN THEIR CURRENT, IN THEIR HISTORICAL CONFIGURATION WOULD'VE BEEN, UH, A SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTING ELEMENT, ALTHOUGH THEY HAVE BEEN REPLACED SINCE. UM, THERE ARE ALSO, UH, FOUR, UH, LANTERNS, UH, THAT, UH, BRAINERD JONES DESIGNED, WHICH ARE IN PLACE. YOU'LL SEE THAT IN THE, YOU'LL SEE A, A DETAIL OF IT ON THE LEFT AND A PHOTO OF IT IN THE MIDDLE. UH, THERE ARE STILL, UH, THREE OF 'EM ARE ON THE D STREET ELEVATION, AND ONE OF 'EM WAS RELOCATED ONTO THE, UH, SOUTH ELEVATION OF THE SEVENTIES EDITION, AND THEY ARE OPERATIONAL, UM, THEY CONTINUE TO BE OPERATIONAL. SO, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. . SO THE PROJECT CAN ESSENTIALLY BE, UM, THE INTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS, OF COURSE, ARE, ARE REALLY NOT PART OF THE DISCUSSION TODAY. WE WANNA FOCUS ON THE EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS, AND AS I NOTED IN THE, IN THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES REPORT, YOU CAN BASICALLY BOIL DOWN THE EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS TO REPLACEMENT OF THE APPARATUS BAY DOORS, UH, REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING EXTERIOR WINDOWS, UM, AND PROVIDING A NEW COLOR PALETTE, UH, THAT IS HISTORICALLY CORRECT FOR THE BUILDING. AND THEN LASTLY, UH, A TRASH ENCLOSURE, UH, WHICH, UH, IS LOCATED IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER. WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE APPARATUS BAY DOORS. IT'S THE, IT'S THE D STREET ELEVATION THAT IS SEISMICALLY, UM, UH, UH, INSUFFICIENT. AND, AND TO THAT END, WE, WE NEED TO INSTALL ON THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING A MOMENT FRAME ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE APPARATUS BAY DOORS, WHICH IS GOING TO REQUIRE THAT THESE APPARATUS BAY DOORS BE MOVED, INBOARD, OR INTO THE APPARATUS BAY BY ABOUT EIGHT INCHES. THIS GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY WHILE WE'RE DOING THAT SEISMIC UPGRADE WORK, THEN TO REPLACE THE APPARATUS BAY DOORS WITH A NEW, UH, ALUMINUM AND GLASS, UH, APPARATUS, BAY DOORS THAT ARE DESIGNED. UH, IT'S CUSTOM DESIGNED ACTUALLY TO MATCH THE ORIGINAL 1938 ARCHITECTURE. IN ADDITION TO, UM, THE, THE, THAT, UH, THE, THE CITY HAS, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, WANTED TO, UM, REINTRODUCE AS MANY OF THE 1938 ELEMENTS TO THE BUILDING AS POSSIBLE. WHEN THIS BUILDING WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT, IT WAS BUILT, UH, AND COMPLETED PARTIALLY WITH, UH, PUBLIC WORKS, UH, FUNDING, BUT THEY ALSO PURCHASED A, A FIRE, A NEW, TWO NEW FIRE ENGINES, UH, IN 1938. THEY'RE, THEY'RE AMERICAN, LA FRANCE, AMERICAN, LA FRANCE, AND, AND SO WE STILL HAVE ONE OF THOSE TODAY. UH, THE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DOES, YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN IT IN THE BUTTER EGG DAYS PARADE OR VETERANS PARADE. AND SO IN TRYING TO [00:35:01] DO IMPROVEMENTS THAT, THAT RECOGNIZE THE HISTORY OF THE, OF THE, OF THE DEPARTMENT AS, AS WELL AS THE HISTORY OF THIS BUILDING, THE TWO APPARATUS BAY DOORS ON THE 1970S EDITION IS NO LONGER REQUIRED FROM AN OPERATIONAL PERSPECTIVE. SO THIS PROVIDED US AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT THE FIRE ENGINE, THE HISTORIC FIRE ENGINE ON DISPLAY FOR THE PUBLIC TO, TO SEE FROM D STREET. AND SO THEREIN HIGHLIGHTED IN THE, THE RED BOXES ARE THE TWO APPARATUS BAYS THAT ARE NO LONGER REQUIRED OPERATIONALLY. AND AT THE, THE LOWER THAN PICTURE IS THE, UH, UH, WINDOW SYSTEM THAT ALLOWS FOR THE, FOR THE, UM, ENGINE TO BE ON DISPLAY. NEXT SLIDE. ON THE ELEVATION FACING, UH, SECOND STREET, THIS IS THE 1970S BUILDING EDITION. WHAT WE FOUND IN OUR ANALYSIS AND RESEARCH IS THAT THE 1970S EDITION WAS BUILT WITH A DIFFERENT FOUNDATION SYSTEM THAN THE ORIGINAL 1938 CONSTRUCTION. AND REMARKABLY, THE 1938 CONSTRUCTION REMAINS, UH, IN VERY, VERY GOOD CONDITION, WHEREAS THE 1970S EDITION HAS, HAS SEEN SOME SETTLEMENT ISSUES, AND THEREFORE, THE, THE ENTIRE PLASTER FINISH, UH, FACING SECOND STREET HAS BEEN COMPROMISED AND DEGRADATED. AND, AND SO THIS SLIDE SHOWS THAT ALL OF THAT PLASTER WILL NEED TO BE REMOVED AND, AND REINSTALLED AND REPLACED. BUT THIS KIND OF GOES, UM, HAND IN HAND WITH ALSO WITH THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT, WHICH, UM, UH, WE'LL JUST TALK ABOUT THE WINDOWS. NOW. THE ORIGINAL 1938, UM, UH, BUILDING HAD STEEL FRAMED, FULLY DIVIDED LIGHT WINDOWS, UH, IN A, IN A GRID PATTERN. UH, THE DIVIDED LIGHT GRID PATTERN PATTERN WAS ABOUT ONE TO 1.5, MEANING THAT THE, THE, THE DIVIDED LIGHTS WERE 12 INCHES WIDE AND 18 INCHES HIGH. UM, AND THAT PATTERN, UM, THOSE STEEL WINDOWS, UH, ON THE FIRE ON THE ORIGINAL 1938 CONSTRUCTION, UM, WERE LARGELY COVERED UP. AND BY THE 1970S EDITION, THE ONLY REMAINING, UH, WINDOWS FACING THE PUBLIC WAY FROM THE ORIGINAL 38 CONSTRUCTION IS FROM THOSE SECOND FLOOR WINDOWS THAT YOU SEE, UH, UP ONE AT THE BELL TOWER AND ONE AT, UH, JUST TO THE LEFT OF IT. THE WINDOWS, UH, ON THE MAIN FLOOR, THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE 1970S EDITION, ALTHOUGH THEY ARE DIVIDED LIGHT SINGLE PANE GLAZED, UH, DIVIDED LIGHT WINDOWS, THEY ARE A ALUMINUM CONSTRUCTION. THE ALUMINUM WINDOWS ARE WHAT'S CALLED A F FLANGED WINDOW, WHERE YOU INSTALL THE WINDOW, NAIL IT AROUND A FLANGE, AND THEN YOU WATERPROOF IT AND, AND THEN APPLY YOUR, YOUR FINISHED PRODUCT. AND IN THIS CASE, UH, UH, PLASTER BY REMA RE BY REMOVING ALL THIS PLASTER TO, TO CORRECT THE DEFICIENCIES IN THE PLASTER, WE ALSO ALLOWS US TO RE REMOVE AND REPLACE THESE WINDOWS. UH, AT THE SAME TIME. HOWEVER, ON THE, ON THE, ON THE 1938 WINDOWS THAT ARE STEEL FRAME, WE TAKE A DIFFERENT APPROACH BECAUSE WE DO NOT WANT TO CUT BACK THE PLASTER. UH, THE, THE 1938 STEEL FRAME WINDOWS HAVE WHAT'S CALLED AN UNEQUAL LEG. AND SO THAT UNEQUAL LEG IS ALSO UNDERNEATH THE ORIGINAL PLASTER FINISH. AND, AND IN ORDER TO NOT CUT INTO THE ORIGINAL PLASTER FINISH, WE CUT THE ORIGINAL WINDOW FRAME OUT, AND THEN WE SLIDE AN INSERT WINDOW IN. AND THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF IT. IT'S PROPORTIONALLY A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE THE, THE WINDOW LIGHTS WOULD BE, LIKE I SAID, ABOUT 12 BY 18, NOT THE SMALL, BUT THIS IS A COMPANY, UH, UH, WINCO WINDOWS THAT SPECIALIZES IN HISTORIC RENOVATION PROJECTS. AND WITH AN UNEQUAL LEG, WE CAN CUT THE ORIGINAL STEEL FRAME WINDOWS OUT, SLIDE THE NEW WINDOW IN, AND NOT IMPACT THE ORIGINAL OR EXISTING 1938 PLASTER FINISH. UM, THIS COMPANY ALSO, UH, PROVIDES AWNING STYLE WINDOWS, UH, AS WELL AS CASEMENT WINDOWS, WHICH ARE PERIOD, CORRECT, THE WINDOW OPERATION ON THE FIRST FLOOR. [00:40:01] THE 1970S EDITION ARE SLIDING WINDOWS, THEY'RE SLIDERS, AND THOSE ARE HISTORICALLY NOT CORRECT. SLIDER WINDOWS WERE NOT AVAILABLE IN THE MARKETPLACE IN 1938. SO WE'RE ABLE TO REPLACE ALL OF THE WINDOWS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE BUILDING WITH A NEW WINDOW SYSTEM THAT WILL, UM, BE INSULATED GLASS LOW E ENERGY EFFICIENT MEAT TITLE 24 ENERGY STANDARDS, AND ACCOMMODATE EGRESS REQUIREMENTS, CODE EGRESS REQUIREMENTS OUT OF THE SECOND FLOOR SLEEPING QUARTERS. UM, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THIS IS THE, UH, THIS IS THE WEST ELEVATION, AND IT SHOWS THAT THERE ARE A LARGE NUMBER OF THESE ORIGINAL STEEL WINDOWS ON THE WEST ELEVATION, BOTH ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND THE SECOND FLOOR. HOWEVER, THESE WINDOWS SPACE, UH, ABOUT A NINE OR 10 FOOT SIDE YARD, BECAUSE ADJACENT TO FIRE STATION ONE ON THE WEST ELEVATION IS THE THEATER SQUARE PARKING STRUCTURE, WHICH IS, UH, ON THIS PARTICULAR ELEVATION, ABOUT 45 FEET OF CONCRETE WITH NO, NO OPENINGS OR PENETRATIONS. SO THIS IS NOT, THIS, THIS ELEVATION IS NOT FACING THE PUBLIC WAY. NEXT SLIDE. SAME GOES FOR, UH, THE, WHAT WE CALL THE NORTH ELEVATION. UH, AGAIN, ALL THESE ORIGINAL WINDOWS ON THE TOP ARE THE STEEL FRAME, UH, WINDOWS FROM THE 1938 CONSTRUCTION, AND THEY WOULD ALL BE REPLACED, BUT AGAIN, THEY FACE ANOTHER 60 FOOT HIGH CONCRETE WALL THAT'S ON A ZERO PROPERTY LINE OF THE THEATER SQUARE PARKING STRUCTURE. THEREFORE, THEY ARE ALSO NOT VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC WAY. EXCELLENT. THIS IS THE, UH, THE, THE WINDOW SYSTEM IS, UM, TO THE, TO THE LEFT. TO THE MIDDLE IS THIS CUSTOM GARAGE APPARATUS BAY WITH THE DIVIDED LIGHTS, UH, THE APPARATUS BAY DOORS. I HAVE WORKED WITH, UH, BOTH WINDOW MANUFACTURER. I'VE WORKED WITH A, UH, WINDOW SUB, UH, UH, UH, UM, SUBCONTRACTOR INSTALLER. WE'VE BEEN ON THE SITE. WE'VE, WE'VE EVALUATED THE, THE BUILDING AND, AND, UH, THEN FOR THE APPARATUS, BAY DOORS, THERE'S A COMPANY THAT, UH, I'VE, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THAT IS WILLING TO CUSTOM FABRICATE APPARATUS BAY DOORS WITH THE NUMBER OF, UH, UH, LIGHTS THAT WERE IN THE ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION FROM 1938. NEXT SLIDE. WE ALSO IN THERE ARE SOME OTHER, UH, LESSER IMPROVEMENTS. UH, THE CURRENT STOREFRONT, UH, ENTRANCE, THE 1970, UH, STOREFRONT, UH, MEDIUM BRONZE ANODIZED BRONZE STOREFRONT WOULD THEN BE REPLACED WITH, UH, WITH PERIOD, CORRECT, UH, WINDOWS AND DOOR THAT, THAT KIND OF PULL SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS FROM THE ORIGINAL 1938 CONSTRUCTION THAT WAS COVERED, UH, BY THE SEVENTIES EDITION. WE WANT, WE WANNA BRING THOSE DETAILS BACK INTO THE PROJECT. IN ADDITION, WHEN YOU WALK INTO THE STATION ON THE INTERIOR IN THE LOBBY AREA, WE WILL INTRODUCE, UH, THAT'S WHERE WE CAN EXPOSE THE ORIGINAL 1938 WALLS AND, AND MAKE THEM PART OF THE INTERIOR LOBBY INSIDE THE BUILDING. FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT BEEN TO THE STATION, IT IS, IT IS, UH, OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. UH, IT'S GOT, IT'S FILLED WITH HISTORIC MEMORABILIA, INCLUDING PHOTOS, UH, OF, OF WHAT'S CALLED HOOK AND HOOK AND LADDER NUMBER ONE. WHAT'S THE DATE OF THAT DOCUMENT? THAT EIGHT 18? YEAH, IN THE 18 HUNDREDS. ALL THOSE HISTORICAL PHOTOS AND, AND, AND ITEMS ARE ON DISPLAY INSIDE THE STATION. AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO DISPLAY THEM AS PART OF THE, OF THE LOBBY AREA, AS WELL AS, UH, WHERE WE WOULD PUT THE, UH, 1938 FIRE ENGINE OUT ON THE CORNER OF SECOND AND D STREET. SO IT'S, UH, IT'S IN ADDITION TO TRYING, AGAIN, TO, JUST TO REITERATE, TO TRY TO BRING THIS BUILDING UP TO, UH, UH, UH, A NEW SEISMIC STANDARDS, UH, STRUCTURAL SEISMIC STANDARD AND, AND TO MEET [00:45:01] ALL THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS FOR, FOR, UH, LIVING QUARTERS. IT'S ALSO BEEN OUR INTENT TO RECOGNIZE THE BUILDING FOR ITS HISTORIC, UM, IMPORTANCE IN THE CITY. BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S EQUALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE DEMONSTRATE THE HISTORY OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ITSELF. AND JUST A QUICK ADD, EVEN THOUGH THE INTERIOR ISN'T, THANK YOU, MARK. EVEN THOUGH THE INTERIOR ISN'T PART OF THIS PROJECT, WE'LL BE MAINTAINING THE ORIGINAL 1938 BRASS FIRE POLE, THE SPIRAL STAIRCASE NEXT TO IT. THERE'S VERY, UH, MINIMAL, UH, WALL MOVEMENT WITHIN THE FACILITY, UH, PART OF THE APPARATUS BAY, THE SEVENTIES EDITION, WHERE THE FIRE ENGINE WILL BE SHOWCASED BEHIND. THAT IS A SPACE WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO MAXIMIZE FOR INTERIOR WORKOUT AREA, EXPANDING SOME OTHER USEFUL SPACE WE NEED INSIDE. SO WE'RE REALLY KEEPING THE ORIGINAL 1938 FIREPLACE AND MANTLE. UM, ALL OF THAT IS GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, ASBESTOS AND LEAD REMOVAL AND SOME UPDATING. UM, BY UPDATING, I MEAN MORE, YOU KNOW, COMFORT, UH, NOT NECESSARILY MAKING IT A 2024 VERSION OF ITSELF. THANK YOU. NEXT SLIDE. SO, UM, ALSO, I'VE DONE SOME 3D RENDERING, UH, OF, OF THE STATION IN, IN A, IN, AS I SAID BEFORE, APPARATUS BAY DOOR REPLACEMENT, EXTERIOR WINDOW REPLACEMENT, UH, EXTERIOR COLOR PALETTE. WHEN WE WERE FORENSICALLY RESEARCHING THE BUILDING AND UP IN THE ATTIC PLENUM SPACE, WE FOUND EVIDENCE OF THE ORIGINAL LATHAM PLASTER FROM 19, FROM PRE 1970 CONSTRUCTION. AND THE, THE BUILDING, UH, THE, THE LATHAM PLASTER IS IN FACT, UH, PAINTED WHITE. SO THE BUILDING WAS, WAS, AND THAT'S IN KEEPING WITH THE PWA, UH, STREAMLINE, OR PWA MODERN ARCHITECTURAL STYLE. THEY WERE WHITEWASHED BUILDINGS WITH DARK ACCENTS. WE WOULD CURRENTLY, AS WE ALL KNOW, IT IS, UH, GOT TWO OR THREE SHADES OF BROWN. UH, THEY'RE NOT HISTORICALLY CORRECT COLORS PALETTE ON THE BUILDING. SO WE ARE PROPOSING TO RE BRING THE ORIGINAL COLOR PALETTE BACK BY, UH, HAVING THE, THE ENTIRE BUILDING WHITE WITH A DARK, UH, BRICK FOUNDATION, UH, IN KEEPING WITH THE ORIGINAL PHOTOS AND DOCUMENTATION. AND THEN THE APPARATUS, BAY DOORS. AND THE WINDOWS WOULD BE, UM, BASICALLY FIRE ENGINE RED, WE'LL CALL IT. IT'LL BE A DARK RED IN COLOR. UM, UM, AND, AND, UM, IT, IT BASICALLY IS, UH, WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE OF WHAT THE ORIGINAL WINDOW COLOR WAS, BUT, UH, IN JUST STUDYING THE BUILDING, UH, THE, THROUGH THIS 3D MODELING, UH, A DARK RED TRIM COLOR IS VERY APPROPRIATE FOR FIRE STATION. SO THERE'S THE D STREET ELEVATION. UM, WE'LL RUN THROUGH THESE ANDREW, AND THEN MAYBE WE WILL, UH, I'LL SCREEN SHARE AND I CAN, UM, I CAN BRING UP THAT OTHER PROGRAM. BUT, UH, SO THIS IS, THIS IS A, THIS IS A KIND OF AN INTERESTING PERSPECTIVE HERE, AND, AND THIS IS GONNA KIND OF EXTEND US. I I WANNA PAUSE HERE AND SAY THAT, UH, IT'S, IT'S REALLY A BUILDING OF TWO DIFFERENT FACADES. THE FACADE FACING D STREET IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN THE FACADE FACING SECOND STREET, BUT THAT WASN'T ORIGINALLY THE CASE. IN 1938, THE PLAZA HAD APPARATUS BAY ONE APPARATUS, BAY DOOR FACING SECOND STREET, AND FACING THE PLAZA. AND IT ALSO HAD A SERIES OF SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER, UH, DIVIDED LIGHT WINDOWS ON THAT ELEVATION. IN FACT, I'LL, I'LL ALSO SHOW YOU A, A GRAPHIC THAT I PUT TOGETHER, UH, TO SHOWS THE IMPACT OF THE SEVENTIES EDITION, BUT YOU CAN SEE BY THIS PERSPECTIVE THAT IT'S REALLY A, A, A, A BUILDING OF TWO FACADES. UM, THE OTHER THING THAT YOU'LL SEE IN THIS PERSPECTIVE IS IN THE, KIND OF, IN THE UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER UP AGAINST THE, UH, THEATER SQUARE BUILDING. THAT'S THE, ABOUT THE, IT'S, IT'S, THE BUILDING IS BASICALLY ON A ZERO LOT LINE PROPERTY. THERE'S NO ROOM FOR, FOR A TRASH ENCLOSURE. SO THE ONLY PLACE TO PUT IT WAS IN THAT UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER, WHICH IS WHERE THEY STORED THEIR TRASH, UH, UH, UH, RECEPTACLES RIGHT NOW. BUT THEY'RE JUST NOT IN AN ENCLOSURE. NEXT, UM, JUST [00:50:01] KEEP SCROLLING THROUGH THAT, ANDREW. AND NOW THIS ELEVATION SECOND STREET, WE'VE ADDED A LITTLE ELEMENT THAT WE FEEL IS, IS, IS APPROPRIATE. AND NEXT SLIDE, UM, ANDREW, WHERE WE ACTUALLY TAKE THE, THE, THE GLASS ENCLOSURE FOR THE, FOR THE PRESENTING THE 1938 FIRE ENGINE, WE TURNED THE CORNER AND PUT SOME GLAZING ON SECOND STREET FACING, FACING SECOND STREET, SO THAT WHEN YOU'RE, IT'S KIND OF REINTRODUCES A PLAZA FEELING WITHOUT IT BEING A PLAZA. AND IT, IT ACTUALLY ENHANCES THE VIEW OF THE, OF THE HISTORIC FIRE ENGINE. WHY DON'T I, UH, SCREEN SHARE HERE FOR A MINUTE. WHILE YOU'RE DOING THAT, IT'S AMAZING. ON BUTTER AND EGGS OR ANY OTHER DAY, PEOPLE, SO MANY PEOPLE WALK ACROSS SECOND STREET, EVEN ON OR D STREET, EVEN ON A NORMAL DAY, AND THEY'RE ALWAYS LOOKING IN THE WINDOWS. AND WE CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE THAT CURRENTLY, THAT FIRE ENGINE'S IN STORAGE, 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE SPACE FOR IT BECAUSE OF OTHER NEEDS WITH THE FAIRGROUND STATION, OPEN SOME OF THAT UP AND HA AND IT'S, BUT WE HAVE HAD IT THERE, PARKED THE DIFFERENT DIRECTION, AND YOU HAVE THE APPARATUS, BAY DOORS, PEOPLE LOVE IT. AND IT IS SUCH A PRIDE OF OUR COMMUNITY. SO MARK JUST YESTERDAY SAID, WHAT IF WE TOOK THIS AND IS LIKE, OH MY GOSH, THAT IS SO COOL. UM, I'M JUST IN LOVE WITH IT. AND I THINK IT'S A WAY TO KIND OF GIVE BACK SOME OF THE NEAT HISTORY WE HAVE. IT'S BURIED IN BOOKS OR BURIED IN MUSEUMS, WHICH ARE PUBLIC, BUT THIS IS, YOU CAN'T HELP BUT MISS IT WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU DO THIS, AND WE'VE GOT SUCH A GREAT WALKABLE DOWNTOWN, HAVING SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND SHARING OUR FIRE STATION, IT'S A PUBLIC BUILDING, SHARING OUR FIRE STATION. YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO GO INSIDE OF IT, BUT FROM THE OUTS, AND PEOPLE ARE WELCOME, BUT EVEN FROM THE OUTSIDE, YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE IN IT AND YOU FEEL THE HISTORY OF THAT BUILDING. HOW IRONIC, THE, THE FIRE ENGINE WE HAVE IS THE EXACT MODEL YEAR AS THAT FIRE STATION WAS BUILT AND PUT IN SERVICE. I JUST, THAT JUST MEANS SO MUCH TO ME. THANKS, MARK. LET ME INTERRUPT IT. IT WAS, UH, WHILE THE FIRE ENGINE WAS PURCHASED AT THE SAME TIME AT THE STATION WAS COMPLETED, SO AND SO, IF I, IF I COULD TOO, MARK, AND I DON'T WANNA STEAL ANY OF YOUR THUNDER. NO, I THINK PART OF, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE CONFLICT THAT WE'VE, WE'VE HAD IN DOING THIS IS, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO KEEP THE 1938 BUILDING THAT IS SUCH A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING WITH THOSE TALL COLUMNS ON THE ENDS, THE THREE LIGHTS CENTERED, THE PETALUMA FIRE DEPARTMENT ORIGINAL METAL WORDING UP THERE AND KEEPING THAT CENTERED. AND NOW AS A SIX BAY, IT'S NO LONGER CENTERED. IT'S KIND OF A HODGEPODGE OF STUFF. AND I THINK MARK'S IN A REALLY, WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING THE ORIGINAL OR THE SAME APPARATUS, BAY DOORS ALL THE WAY DOWN, BUT STILL HAVING THE ENGINE AND OUR, OUR ART OR, UH, PROJECT MANAGER SAID, WELL, MY KIDS WALK BY THERE, THEY WANNA BE ABLE TO SEE IT EASY AND NOT HAVE TO LOOK THROUGH A GRID. AND WE THOUGHT, WELL, YEAH, ACTUALLY, IF WE DID CHANGE THAT A LITTLE BIT, IT WOULD KIND OF CENTER THE FOCUS BACK ON THE ORIGINAL BUILDING, BUT THEN HAVE A SEPARATE SHOWCASE. AND SO WE REALLY, THERE'S A LOT OF INTENT AND WE'RE HA WE'D LOVE TO HEAR YOUR FEEDBACK AND INPUT, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO, UM, NOT ONLY THE HISTORICAL PART AND KEEPING THAT PART HISTORIC AND SEPARATE. I EVEN JUST TODAY SAID, WHAT IF WE CHANGE? THIS 1970S MADE IT A LIGHT GRAY, SO IT WAS EVEN DIFFERENT. SO IT HIGHLIGHTED THE WHITE ORIGINAL. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A GOOD THING TO DO OR NOT, BUT JUST THIS KIND OF STUFF THAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT IN BRAINSTORM AND HAPPY TO BE A PART OF IN THIS STUDY SESSION. SO THANKS AGAIN, MARK. I PROMISE I ONLY INTERRUPT YOU THREE MORE TIMES. THAT'S FINE, DUDE. I, I, I LIKE IT. ALL RIGHT. SO, SO AGAIN HERE, YOU KNOW, AS YOU TURN THE CORNER, YOU CAN JUST SEE THE BUILDING HAS JUST ESSENTIALLY TWO DIFFERENT FACADES TO IT. AND, AND, AND EVEN WITH US REINTRODUCING, UH, A MORE HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE ENTRANCE, UM, IT, UH, IT'S DEFINITELY APPARENT THAT, UH, THE SEVENTIES EDITION, UM, DIDN'T HAVE THE SAME, UH, ARCHITECTURAL INTENT ON THIS ELEVATION. UM, SPEAKING THOUGH, IN TERMS OF COLOR FOR THE BUILDING, AGAIN, WE ARE, UH, BRINGING BACK THE, THE, THE BUILDING AS A WHITEWASHED BUILDING THROUGHOUT WITH, UH, THE, THE DARK BRICK BASE ACCENT, WHICH IS, UM, UH, EVIDENT IN THE ORIGINAL, UH, 19, UH, ORIGINAL PHOTOS, UH, FROM 1938. AND THEN WE, WE HIGHLIGHT THE COLUMNS WITH THE, WITH A, WITH A LIGHTER GRAY, UH, TREATMENT HERE AT THE, UH, AT THE COLUMN DETAILING THAT'S ALSO EVIDENT IN THE ORIGINAL 1938, [00:55:01] UM, PHOTOS, UH, AND DOCUMENTS. AND THEY'RE, AND THEY'RE CURRENTLY BROWN AND BEIGE. YEAH. AND THE COLORS NOW. YEAH. YEAH. THE STATION TODAY IS, UH, IS, IS A, A COMBINATION OF ABOUT, UH, THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT BROWN BEIGE COLORS. SO, UM, WITH THAT THEN WHAT, UH, AND, AND THEN ALSO I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE HERE, AND WHAT THIS 3D KIND OF STUDY SHOWS IS THAT YOU REALLY CAN'T GET A, A PERSPECTIVE OF THE BACK, THE, WHAT'S CALLED THE WEST AND THE NORTH ELEVATIONS, THE, THE, THE SPACE BETWEEN THE THEATER SQUARE PARKING STRUCTURE AND THE FIRE STATION IS SO TIGHT THAT YOU REALLY CAN'T GET A, A GOOD VISUAL ON THOSE WINDOWS. AND SO PRESERVING OR PROTECTING THOSE WINDOWS AS A HISTORIC RESOURCE, UM, WE'RE BETTER SERVED AS A COMMUNITY TO GO THROUGH A, A COMPLETE WINDOW REPLACEMENT. AND SO TO THAT END, WHEN YOU, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY, WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ON THIS ELEVATION, UH, FIVE ALUMINUM WINDOWS AND TWO STEEL WINDOWS. AND ON THIS ELEVATION, THERE ARE NO ALUMINUM WINDOWS, AND THERE ARE TWO STEEL WINDOWS HERE SET BACK FAR ENOUGH FROM THE STREET TO WHERE THEY'RE DIFFICULT TO SEE. UM, NOW I COME BACK OUT HERE AND I LOOK AT THIS, UH, ALTERNATE, UH, SOLUTION FOR THIS STATION AND THIS CORNER RIGHT HERE IN THIS CORNER TREATMENT, PICKING UP THIS COLUMN, UH, UH, ELEMENT, BRINGING IT OVER HERE AS A TERMINUS TO A TWO, TWO WINDOW BAYS HERE, AND THEN TURNING THE FIRE ENGINE. SORRY, I DIDN'T HAVE A HISTORIC FIRE ENGINE TO PUT IN THE MODELING, BUT, UH, BUT TURNING THE ENGINE THEN TO FACE SECOND STREET SO THAT WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE WALKING DOWN, UH, THE, THE PUBLIC WAY IN SECOND STREET, YOU'D BE LOOKING RIGHT AT A 1938 FIRE ENGINE. UM, I'LL STOP SHARING THIS UNLESS, UH, YOU WANT ME TO SHOW YOU ANYTHING ELSE HERE. YOU WANNA SHOW A PICTURE OF THAT FIRE ENGINE? DO YOU HAVE THAT HANDY? I DO. UM, THERE'S THE 1938 FIRE ENGINE THAT'S SHARING NOW, IS IT NOT? OH, STOP, SHARE, SHARE THIS. WHAT'S NICE IS IN THAT ORIENTATION, THE FRONT WILL BE FACING THE FRONT OF THE FIRE ENGINE WITH THE BELL AND THE HEADLIGHTS, AND THE BEAUTIFUL GRILL WILL BE FACING SECOND STREET. AND THEN THIS IS THE VIEW YOU'D HAVE FROM D STREET. IT'D BE, YOU'D SEE THE, WHICH IS REALLY NICE, THAT HISTORIC WOODEN LADDER. IT'S KINDA THE, THE NICER SIDE OF THE FIRE ENGINE. AND WE CAN, THERE'S A, WE WILL BE ABLE TO BACK THAT FIRE ENGINE INTO THE APPARATUS BAY AND GET IT OUT FOR THE PARADE. SO DON'T WORRY, WE'LL STILL HAVE IT IN PARADES, AND I, YOU KNOW, THAT, UH, THIS IS, I THINK THAT ONE OF THE DEDICATION PHOTOS HERE OF THE STATION, AS YOU CHANGE IT, IT WON'T SHARE IT. OH, THAT'S, BUT YEAH, YOU CAN JUST DO THAT. STOP AND START. UM, SORRY FOR THAT. IT JUST, UH, AN ANOMALY ABOUT HOW THIS THING SHARES, BUT WE BELIEVE THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE, IT'S STILL LET UP THERE YET. NO, IT DOESN'T. I WOULD, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT WENT. OH, WELL, I THINK I LOST A PHOTO. UM, I CLOSED, I MUST HAVE CLOSED IT. OH, GOTCHA. UH, I, ANYWAY, WE, WE BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE, UM, THERE'S SOME OF THE ORIGINAL 1938 DEDICATION PHOTOS SHOWED THIS ENGINE IN THE PHOTOS. IN THE PICTURES. SO, SO, UM, ANDREW, I'D GO BACK TO YOUR PRESENTATION. UM, GREAT, THANK YOU. UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE, WE'LL, UH, FINISH WITH, JUST HAVE A FEW MORE SLIDES AND THEN WE'LL GO TO QUESTIONS. UM, LET'S SEE. HERE WE GO. OOPS. OKAY. SO DURING THE ENTITLEMENT REVIEW PROCESS, UH, PLANNING STAFF LED BY HISTORIC PRESERVATIONIST IS ISABEL CASTANO, UH, WILL REVIEW THE PROJECT FOR COMPLIANCE WITH HISTORIC DEMOLITION RESOLUTION NUMBER 20, UH, 2017 DASH 1 22, WHICH, UH, DIRECTS EVALUATION FOR BUILDINGS, UM, CONSTRUCTED PRIOR TO 1945, ALSO FOR CONSISTENCY WITH THE PETALUMA GENERAL PLAN, [01:00:01] COMPLIANCE WITH THE IMPLEMENTING ZONING ORDINANCE. SPECIFICALLY, UH, CHAPTER 15 FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION, UH, COMPLIANCE WITH THE SMART CODE, IN PARTICULAR, UH, REGULATIONS RELATED TO, UM, ALTERATIONS TO HISTORIC STRUCTURES. AND THEN FOR, UH, COMPLIANCE WITH THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR THE TREATMENT OF HISTORIC BUILDING'S, REHABILITATION TREATMENT. AND THEN FINALLY, HISTORIC COMMERCIAL DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES RELATED TO ARCHITECTURAL STYLE BUILDING CHARACTER STOREFRONTS, AWNING AND CANOPIES, IF ANY, PAINT COLOR, REAR ENTRANCES, MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT, AND REHABILITATION. SO IN TERMS OF NEXT STEPS, WE'RE HERE AT, UH, STEP ONE AT THE, UH, HCPC STUDY SESSION. UH, I DO HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS THAT I'LL BE SHARING WITH YOU SHORTLY TO ASK SPECIFICALLY FOR YOUR COMMENTS AND INPUT. THEN FOLLOWING THAT, UM, THE, THE PROJECT TEAM WILL RETURN TO RESPOND TO COMMENTS AS WELL AS PLANNING STAFF, UH, WILL DO SO PRIOR TO, AND DEPENDING ON THIS EVENING'S, UH, COMMENTS, WE WOULD THEN GO INTO A DECISION PERIOD NOTICING, WHICH WOULD, UH, BE PUBLIC NOTIFICATION, UH, PUBLISHED IN THE ARGUS COURIER AND MAILED NOTICES, UH, TO PROPERTIES LOCATED WITHIN 500 FEET OF THE PROJECT SITE. UH, THAT WOULD BE A 10 DAY NOTICE PERIOD TO ALLOW FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS. UH, THEN THE DECISION WOULD BE MADE BY THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR AND ISSUANCE OF A DECISION LETTER. UH, THE DECISION ITSELF WOULD BE APPEALABLE AND CAN BE APPEALED BY THE PROJECT APPLICANT OR BY A, UH, INTERESTED PARTY WITHIN 14 DAYS OF THE DATE OF THE DECISION. SHOULD IT BE APPEALED? UH, SHOULD THE DIRECTOR'S, UH, DECISION BE APPEALED, IT WOULD COME TO HCPC FOR REVIEW. AND, UH, HCPC WOULD REVIEW AND WEIGH IN ON THE REQUEST FOR APPEAL. UH, SHOULD THAT DECISION BE APPEALED, IT WOULD THEN BE APPEALED TO CITY COUNCIL, UH, FOLLOWING SUCCESSFUL PROJECT REVIEW AND APPROVAL. THEN A BUILDING PERMIT, AT LEAST ONE BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATION WOULD BE, UH, REQUIRED DURING THE BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATION REVIEW PLANNING REVIEWS, THE BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATION FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE APPROVED PROJECT. ADDITIONALLY, DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE, UH, PLANNERS GO OUT AT VARIOUS TIMES TO REVIEW CONSTRUCTION FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE APPROVED PROJECT AS WELL. AND SO, IN TERMS OF, UH, THIS EVENING'S REQUEST FOR FEEDBACK, OF COURSE, YOU RECEIVED, UH, THE MEETING ITEM, THE PACKET, AND, UH, WE WOULD ANTICIPATE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THE VARIOUS REGULATIONS DESCRIBED HERE ARE APPLIED TO THE PROJECT AND, UH, AND, UM, HOW YOU MIGHT MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS RELATED TO THE PROJECT'S PROPOSED DESIGN AND COMPLIANCE. ADDITIONALLY, YOU RECEIVE SOME PUBLIC COMMENTS. UH, ONE PUBLIC COMMENT RELATED TO THE QUALIFICATIONS OF, UH, THE APPLICANT WHO SUBMITTED THE HISTORIC, UH, STRUCTURE REPORT. UH, AS I SHARED AT THE BEGINNING OF MY PRESENTATION, THE, THE QUALIFICATIONS OF MR. ALVERSON, AS WELL AS THE CITY'S HISTORIC PRESERVATION SPECIALIST, UH, PLANNING BELIEFS MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR PROFESSIONAL QUALIFICATIONS. UH, BUT ANOTHER INTERESTING QUESTION RAISED BY PUBLIC COMMENT IS, UH, SHOULD A HISTORIC STRUCTURE EVALUATION BE PROVIDED BY AN INDEPENDENT PARTY THAT MAY INCLUDE EVALUATION OF THE PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS FOR POTENTIAL IMPACT TO THE EXISTING HISTORIC STRUCTURE? SO I WANNA LEAVE THAT OUT THERE AS ONE QUESTION, UM, THAT WE WOULD, WE WOULD LIKE TO RECEIVE INPUT FROM HCPC, BUT THEN SORT OF ADJACENT TO THAT IS A QUESTION ABOUT THE STATUS OF THE 1971 EDITION. THE THE 1971 EDITION IS OLDER THAN 45 YEARS. THERE IS POTENTIAL FOR, UH, IT TO BE SIGNIFICANT. AND SO WE WOULD WANT THAT TO BE EVALUATED AS WELL FOR SIGNIFICANCE AS PART OF THAT HISTORIC, UH, STRUCTURE REPORT. SHOULD THEN THE, THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE REPORT FIND THAT THAT 1971 EDITION IS NOT SIGNIFICANT, THEN THAT WOULD HAVE AN IMPACT ON, UM, CONSIDERATION OF THE PROPOSED DESIGN OPTIONS SUCH AS MR. ALBERTSON DEMONSTRATED WITH THE TWO, UH, GARAGE BASE TO THE RIGHT OF, OF THE FOUR APPARATUS BAY, THE CONVERSION OF THAT TO THOSE WINDOWS WITH THE, UH, DIVIDED LIGHT CLEAR STORY WINDOWS AND HAVING IT ONLY ON THE D STREET FACADE VERSUS WRAPPING IT AROUND TO THE SECOND STREET FACADE TO INCREASE VISIBILITY OF THE [01:05:01] HISTORIC FIRE ENGINE. SO WE DO BELIEVE THAT SHOULD THE 1971 EDITION BE FOUND NOT TO BE SIGNIFICANT, THAT WOULD OPEN UP THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SOME OF THESE DESIGN MODIFICATIONS THAT, UH, FIRE SEEKS FOR VARIOUS REASONS, UM, AS WELL AS THE ADDITION OF WINDOWS ON THE SECOND STREET SIDE AND ENHANCEMENTS TO, UM, CREATE A MORE PROMINENT, UH, PEDESTRIAN ENTRANCE OFF OF, OFF OF SECOND STREET. SO THERE IS, THERE IS A BIT THAT, THAT HINGES ON THAT HISTORIC STRUCTURE EVALUATION AS IT RELATES TO THE NATURE OF THE ORIGINAL 1938 BUILDING VERSUS THE 1971 EDITION. THEN, UM, WE WOULD LIKE SOME, SOME FEEDBACK ON PREFERENCES FOR THE PROPOSED ALTERATIONS. UH, I THINK AS, AS MR. ALBERTSON, UH, SHARED QUITE WELL, THEY REALLY ARE QUITE LIMITED IN NATURE TO REPLACEMENT OF THE PA OF PLASTER, UH, RETURNING THE BUILDING TO ITS ORIGINAL COLOR, UH, AND THEN THE REPLACEMENT OF THE WINDOWS AND THE, THE APPARATUS APPARATUS, UH, BAY DOORS, AS WELL AS THE MODIFICATION TO THE TWO EXISTING GARAGE DOORS ON THE 1971 EDITION. SO REALLY QUITE LIMITED IN TERMS OF THE ALTERATIONS THAT ARE PROPOSED. AND THEN NEXT, WE WOULD INVITE YOUR FEEDBACK ON THE LEVEL OF REVIEW REQUIRED. THAT WAS ALSO BROUGHT UP IN, UM, PUBLIC COMMENT, AND I ADDRESSED IT AT THE BEGINNING OF MY PRESENTATION, SOME OF THE REASONS WHY STAFF FELT THAT ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW IS APPROPRIATE. AND I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT, UM, CHAPTER 15.050 OF THE, UH, OF THE IZO DOES GO INTO DETAIL ABOUT A LEVEL OF REVIEW REQUIRED FOR ALTERATIONS TO HISTORIC STRUCTURES. AND IT DOES PROVIDE HCPC OR, OR, UM, THAT HCPC REVIEW ALTERATIONS, HOWEVER, THEN IT DOES TALK ABOUT ALTERATIONS THAT ARE MINOR WHEN THEY DO NOT SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGE THE EXISTING APPEARANCE. AND IT CAN INCLUDE EXISTING ALTERATIONS OF A MINOR NATURE THAT FOLLOW THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE PETALUMA HISTORIC COMMERCIAL DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES. WHEN PLANNING STAFF REVIEWED THE LEVEL OF, UM, ENTITLEMENT REQUIRED FOR THIS PROJECT, WE CONSIDERED VERY CAREFULLY THAT THE PROPOSED ALTERATIONS SEEK TO RETURN, UH, THE 1938 PORTION OF THE BUILDING TO ITS ORIGINAL CONDITION. AND SO FOR THAT REASON, WE EVALUATED THOSE ALTERATIONS TO BE MINOR BECAUSE IT'S A RETURN TO THE ORIGINAL CONDITION AS OPPOSED TO A MODIFICATION OF THE BUILDING THAT WOULD TAKE IT FURTHER AWAY FROM ITS ORIGINAL DESIGN AND STRUCTURE. SO WE INVITE, UH, YOUR INPUT ON THE LEVEL OF REVIEW AS WELL. AND SO AT THAT, THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION. WE'RE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE, COMMITTEE CHAIR. UH, THE MEETING ITEM IS YOURS. OKAY, THANK YOU. NOW WE'LL, UH, OPEN UP FOR QUESTIONS, UM, FROM THE COMMITTEE TO THE APPLICANTS, AND THIS IS NOT, UH, NOT YOUR COMMENTS, BUT JUST ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE ON THE APPLICATION ITSELF. ANYONE WANT TO GO FIRST? MY FIRST OFFICIAL QUESTION REALLY, UM, I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THE, THE PRE 1970 EDITION BUILDING. YOU MENTIONED THERE WAS THIS SORT OF, IT LOOKED LIKE A PARKING BAY, BUT YOU DIDN'T CALL IT THAT, THAT WAS THE, ON THE CORNER OF D IN SECOND, I'M, I'M SORRY, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS OF THE ORIGINAL 1938 DESIGN. MM-HMM. FOR OF BRAINER JONES, THE SECOND STREET EL UH, BUILDING ELEVATION HAD A, THERE WAS A PLAZA OUT ON THE CORNER. OKAY. THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A PUBLIC PLAZA. OKAY. AND THEN THE, BUT THERE'S ALSO AN APPARATUS BAY DOOR FACING SECOND STREET. OKAY. AND WE BELIEVE, WE'RE NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE, BUT I THINK THE ORIGINAL PLANS KINDA LEAD US TO BELIEVE THAT THAT'S WHERE THE CHIEF WAS, UH, PARKED HIS VEHICLE. OKAY. UH, I COULD SEE A MODEL, A FORD PULLING IN THERE AND ROLLING UP AN APPARATUS BAY DOOR ON THE SECOND STREET ELEVATION. SO, UM, I WOULD LIKE, I, ANDREW, THERE WAS ONE, UH, KIND OF, I WANNA, I WANNA KIND OF KEY OFF OF THAT 'CAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING I WANNA SHARE WITH YOU IF I CAN. UM, OH, I GUESS I CAN'T SHARE IT YET, RIGHT? I THINK, LET ME, UM, PULL THAT UP. I HAD IT JUST A MOMENT AGO. THERE IS A, THERE IS ANOTHER THIS IN THE CHAIR? YEAH, THERE IT IS. RIGHT THERE. BUT, BUT I DID ANOTHER DOCUMENT WHERE I EVALUATED HOW THE 1970S EDITION INTERFACED WITH THE 1938 ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION. SO IF I COULD SHARE A SCREEN, I OH, SURE. IT REALLY KEYS OFF OF YOUR, YOUR COMMENT. UM, AND THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT PICTURE. I'M HOPING I CAN FIND IT QUICKLY. UM, AND, AND IN THAT, IN THAT PICTURE, IT'S RIGHT HERE. [01:10:01] SO THIS WAS IN AN EVALUATION THAT I DID IN MY OFFICE AND I MAPPED ON, I TOOK THE ORIGINAL 1938, UM, UH, SOUTH ELEVATION FACING, FACING, UH, SECOND STREET. AND I LAYERED OVER THAT, WHERE THE STRUCTURAL FRAME OF THE 1970 EDITION LANDED ON IT. BECAUSE WHAT I WAS TRYING TO, TO DETERMINE HERE IS WHAT COULD WE REINTRODUCE INSIDE THE BUILDING AND THE INTERIOR OF THE, THE BUILDING TO BRING BACK SOME OF THIS ORIGINAL 1938 CONSTRUCTION. AND SO THAT WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU WERE EITHER VISITING THE STATION OR YOU WERE FIRE DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL IN THERE, YOU WOULD BE REMINDED OF. THERE'S, THIS IS WHERE THEIR 1938 WALL AND PENETRATE AND FENESTRATION AND, AND WAS. SO THAT'S WHY I DID THIS ANALYSIS. BUT THIS SHOWS YOU CLEARLY THE, THE APPARATUS BAY DOOR, UH, THE MAIN ENTRANCE WAS TO THE LEFT OF THAT, THAT WAS THE MAIN ENTRANCE. IT WAS AT THE BASE OF THE BELL TOWER. UM, IT, AND, AND THEN THERE WAS A SEPARATE, UH, ENTRANCE TO THE RIGHT OF THAT APPARATUS BAY DOOR THAT WENT RIGHT INTO THE APPARATUS BAY ITSELF. UM, WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO RESTORE SOME OF THIS IN THE INTERIOR, BUT NOT ALL OF IT. AND WE REALLY TRIED HARD MULTIPLE DESIGN SCENARIOS WHERE WE TRIED TO REINTRODUCE THAT APPARATUS BAY DOOR WITHIN THE BUILDING, BUT IT JUST DIDN'T WANNA WORK. SO, UH, TOO MANY CONSTRAINTS. UH, SO, UH, BUT THAT IS, UH, THAT'S WHAT I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. IT DOES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU HAVE ANY, YEAH, I HAD A QUICK, A QUICK ADD IF I COULD, BUT WHAT MARK WAS ABLE TO DO IS WHEN YOU GO IN THE, THE CURRENT, UH, FRONT DOOR ON THE LEFT, IF YOU SEE IN THE PLAZA, THE PLAZA WAS AN L SO WHERE THE, I GUESS IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE, AT THE D STREET SIDE TO THE LEFT, THERE WERE SOME WINDOWS THAT WERE PART OF THE EL OF THE PLAZA. WE'RE GONNA REINTRODUCE ONE OF THOSE. IT'S PROBABLY AN ORIGINAL RELOCATE, ONE OF THOSE METAL FRAME WINDOWS INSIDE, AND THEN A DOOR. SO THAT WOULD LEAD YOU FROM THE LOBBY INTO THE, UH, THE DAY EATING AREA, THE DAY ROOM, BUT THE FIRE STATION. SO IT'D BE KIND OF, SOME OF THAT WOULD BE ORIGINAL REINTRODUCED. UM, AND, AND POTENTIALLY THE, THE PFD YOU SEE THERE, AND THE LIGHT IS NOW ON THE OUTSIDE, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'LL BE, THAT'LL DEFINITELY BE THE MEMORABILIA LOBBY AND, AND SOME HISTORICAL ACCENTS AND PICTURES OF THE ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION IN THERE. SO, THANKS. OTHER QUESTIONS? THIS MAY BE A MORE OF A QUESTION OF, UH, PROCEDURE, BUT IS IT POSSIBLE FOR, UH, DIFFERENT ELEVATIONS OF THE BUILDING TO BE CONSIDERED A MINOR, UH, PROJECT AND ONE SIDE TO BE A MAJOR PROJECT? NO, WE WOULD, UH, WE WOULD TREAT THE ENTIRE PROJECT THE SAME IN TERMS OF DISCRETIONARY ENTITLEMENT. I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. UM, I ONLY HAD ONE QUESTION. UH, SO THERE HAS NEVER BEEN AN HSE DONE FOR THIS BUILDING IN THE PAST? CORRECT. A HISTORIC STRUCTURES EVALUATION, UH, PRIOR TO, UH, PRIOR TO, UH, THE REPORT THAT I PREPARED, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS EVER A REPORT. OKAY. RIGHT. WE HAVE JUST, YOU KNOW, WINDSHIELD SURVEYS OF THE BUILDING, BUT NO, IT, IT'S NOT BEEN EVALUATED FOR, UM, FOR, UH, LISTING. OKAY. I WILL SAY THAT, UH, IN THE CENTRAL, UH, PETALUMA, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, IT DOES NOT DEFINE PETA FIRE STATION NUMBER ONE RIGHT. AS A CONTRIBUTING BUILDING TO THE DISTRICT. UH, NOR DOES IT SAY IT'S A, A NON-CONTRIBUTING BUILDING TO THE DISTRICT. RIGHT. THERE IS LANGUAGE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT SAYS THAT A BUILDING COULD BE CONSIDERED NON HISTORIC IF THE, IF IT HAD A SIGNIFICANT ALTERATION THAT WAS POST 1945. RIGHT. UH, HOWEVER, THEN YOU GO TO THE OTHER SIDE AND IT'S, IF, IF THIS POST IMPROVEMENT WAS STILL OVER 45 YEARS OLD. YEAH. SO IT'S KIND OF A GRAY AREA IN THERE. WHERE DOES THE 1970S EDITION FIT? BUT I, I WOULD THINK IT WOULD, I WOULD FIND IT DIFFICULT AS AN ARCHITECT TO LOOK AT, UM, BRONZE ANODIZED, UH, UH, APPARATUS BAY DOORS AS BEING HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT OR, UH, BRONZE, UH, STOREFRONT. UH, THERE AT THE MAIN ENTRANCE TO THE STATION [01:15:01] IS A, IS A BRONZE STOREFRONT SYSTEM, UM, MEDIUM BRONZE. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, TO ME, IT DOESN'T, IT IT'S DETRACTS FROM THE ORIGINAL BRAINERD JONES, UH, ARCHITECTURE YEAH. OF 1938. YEAH. WHAT WE SOMETIMES FORGET IS THAT THESE HISTORIC EVALUATIONS ARE LIVING DOCUMENTS THEY CHANGE OVER TIME. AND, UM, SOMETHING THAT WAS SIGNIFICANT OR NOT SIGNIFICANT IN THE 1970S IS SIGNIFICANT NOW. UH, 'CAUSE TIME HAS CHANGED. BUT, UM, I JUST WANTED TO FIND OUT IF THERE HAD BEEN ANY PAST CA PROJECTS INVOLVED THAT MIGHT HAVE LED TO AN HSE ON THE, ON THE BUILDING. UH, NO OTHER QUESTIONS. UM, SO NOW WE'RE OPENING THIS UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. UH, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO COMMENT ON THIS ITEM. UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON. IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE SO ALREADY, PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD AND BRING IT TO THE CLERK. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? GOOD AFTERNOON, UH, MEMBERS AND STAFF OF THE HISTORIC AROUND CULTURAL PRESERVATION COMMITTEE. MY NAME IS ALICE FANIN, AND I WAS ACTUALLY THE PE MUSEUM HCP REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS. AND, UM, I OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T RENEW MY TERM, BUT MY FIRST REASON FOR BEING HERE IS I WANNA WELCOME YOU TO THIS COMMITTEE AND, UM, UM, AND ALSO THANK YOU FOR SERVING. UM, THERE'S A LOT TO LEARN AND, UM, I'M OPEN, I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AND FEEDBACK. UM, HISTORIC PRESERVATION IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME AND, UH, I WANNA CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THAT. THE SECOND REASON I'M HERE IS TO ADDRESS MY CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, THE FIRE STATION'S, UM, HR REVIEW PROCESS, UM, FOR WHAT I CONSIDER OUR SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES. UM, SPECIFICALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE, UH, ITS POTENTIAL AS A HISTORICAL RESOURCE. JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO, WE GOT THE PALOMA WOMEN'S CLUB ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES. UM, THE ARCHITECT OF THE WOMEN'S CLUB IS BRAINERD JONES. BRAINERD JONES IS ALSO THE ARCHITECT, UH, OF THE FIRE STATION. UH, THE REASON THAT WHAT GOT ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER WAS BECAUSE OF ITS UNIQUE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN. UH, THE FIRE ALARM STATION IS ART DECO, ONE OF THE FEW ART DECO BUILDINGS, UH, IN, IN THE COUNTY. SO, YOU KNOW, MY SUGGESTION IS THAT THERE, UM, AND THERE'S MANY OLD BUILDINGS THAT GO THROUGH RENOVATIONS. UM, AND SO THAT'S PART OF, UH, PART OF THE PROCESS, BUT I'M SUGGESTING A MORE THOROUGH EVALUATION BY A MORE QUALIFIED AND INDEPENDENT PROFESSIONAL. UH, I'M GLAD CASTELLANO GOT MENTIONED. UH, I, I DIDN'T SEE A MEN HER NAME MENTIONED IN THE REPORT, SO THAT, THAT PART OF THE CONFUSION. UM, BUT WE HAVE AN ARCHITECT AND A PRESERVATIONIST. IT'D BE GREAT IF IT WAS ONE PERSON, UH, DOING THE REVIEW. UH, SINCE THIS IS A STUDY SESSION, I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU PAY ATTENTION TO THE PUBLIC COMMENTS. THERE ARE SEVERAL DETAILED MESSAGES FROM ARCHITECTURAL HISTORIANS WHO ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS PROCESS, INCLUDING MARYANNE HURLEY, CHRIS WIND, AND CATHERINE REINHART. AND WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT LIKE ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM CATHERINE REINHART IS TO DO, UM, THAT WE NEED TO GO THROUGH A MAJOR SPAR INSTEAD OF A MINOR SPAR. AND SO THE DIFFERENCE IS A MINOR SPAR JUST GOES THROUGH, GOES THROUGH THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, AND THEN THE MAJOR SPAR WOULD GO, UH, TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. SO THERE, IT'S A MORE THOROUGH REVIEW OF THIS. SO, UM, SO THANK YOU. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? SEEING NO OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? I AM CLOSING THAT SESSION. UM, DID CLERK RECEIVE ANY COMMENTS? CHAIR WITH ME? SORRY TO INTERRUPT. UH, I DO NEED TO STATE THAT WE RECEIVED FOUR PUBLIC COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING, ALL OF WHICH HAVE BEEN POSTED ONLINE, AND THEY'RE IN THE BACK AVAILABLE FOR VIEWING AS WELL. OKAY. UM, I GUESS THAT CLOSES PUBLIC COMMENTS THEN NOW WE BRING THIS BACK TO THE COMMITTEE FOR CONSIDERATION. UM, UH, ANY COMMITTEE MEMBERS WOULD LIKE TO START ON MAKING THEIR COMMENTS? SURE. IF I MIGHT, BEFORE, BEFORE WE GO TO DISCUSSION, I DID WANT TO MAKE A CORRECTION FOR THE RECORD. UH, MS. VAN OMRAN HAD INDICATED THAT MAJOR, UH, HISTORIC SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW WOULD GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION. IN FACT, UH, MAJOR H SPAR COMES TO HCPC, SO PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD NOT UNDER THE CURRENT, UM, UH, REVIEW REQUIREMENTS OF REVIEW THIS PROJECT. OKAY. WE'D LIKE TO START [COMMITTEE COMMENT] COMMENTS. , I CAN GIVE COMMENT. UH, NOBODY ELSE [01:20:01] WANTS TO STEP UP. I THINK, UH, THERE IS VALUE IN, UH, EVALUATING THE 1970S EDITION, OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GREAT OPPORTUNITY HERE TO INCREASE THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THE STATION. AND, UH, IT'S IN MY VIEW THAT THAT'S BEING TAKEN AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ALSO, UH, IMPROVE THIS AS A RESOURCE, BUT BY WAY OF KIND OF REDUCING THE FOOTPRINT OF THAT 1970S EDITION. SO, UH, YOU KNOW, HYPOTHETICALLY, IF IT WAS DETERMINED AFTER FURTHER REVIEW THAT IT, YOU KNOW, MANY ELEMENTS OF THAT EDITION WERE NOT SIGNIFICANT, THEN THAT WOULD PERHAPS PAVE THE WAY FOR, UH, THE CURRENT PROPOSED PLAN TO, 'CAUSE IT APPEARS THAT A LOT OF THE ELEMENTS ARE BEING PURPOSELY REVERTED BACK TO THE 1930 EIGHTS, THE, YOU KNOW, THE ORIGINAL PLAN. SO I THINK THERE COULD BE SOME VALUE IN, UH, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT THOSE 1970S EDITIONS ARE OR ARE NOT SIGNIFICANT. YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, I REALLY LIKE THE, UM, IN THE PRESENTATION AND WHAT I'VE READ, UH, THE CAREFUL BALANCE THAT HAS BEEN GIVEN, UM, TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP THE HISTORICAL PRESERVATION OF THAT, OF THAT BUILDING. UM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THINKING ABOUT THE FUTURE AND, UH, MORE IMPORTANT, THE SAFETY, UH, OF OUR, UH, FIREFIGHTERS. UM, SO I, I DO AGREE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, TAKING A LOOK AND MAKING SURE THAT, UH, WE CAN MAXIMIZE THIS IMPROVEMENTS, UH, TO GET IT TO WHERE, UH, IS GONNA BE ADEQUATE, NOT JUST FOR NOW, BUT IN THE FUTURE. I THINK WE NEED TO, THAT WOULD BE THE, THE GOOD STEP TO, TO TAKE. UM, I THINK I AGREE WITH WHAT EVERYBODY HAS SAID. I, I FIND IT, UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHETHER THE 1970S EDITION IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO HONOR MORE THAN WE ARE CURRENTLY HONORING. 'CAUSE I FIND WHAT YOU HAVE PROPOSED PRETTY COMPELLING. UM, I'M EXCITED THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO SEE ORIGINAL COLORS UP ON THE LAP AND THE PLASTER. UM, I THINK THAT IT'S REALLY NEAT THAT THERE WAS A SECOND STREET BAY DOOR THAT YOU CAN SORT OF MAKE AN HOMAGE TO. UM, AND THAT YOU CAN INCLUDE A HISTORIC VEHICLE FOR THE PUBLIC TO ENGAGE WITH, I THINK IS ALSO REALLY NEAT. UM, YEAH. I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE 1970S EDITION. I, I BEING NEW HERE, I'M NOT SURE, IS THE ONLY WAY WE CAN FIND OUT IF IT IS HISTORICALLY ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT TO HAVE A REPORT DONE BY A THIRD PARTY PERSON IS, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT PROCESS. I'D BE CURIOUS ABOUT, IS THERE ONLY ONE OPTION FOR THAT? SURE. THE, UH, THE COMMITTEE COULD RECOMMEND THAT A HISTORIC STRUCTURE EVALUATION BE PREPARED BY AN INDEPENDENT, UH, QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL. YES. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION. I THOUGHT THERE WERE SOME BEAUTIFUL, UM, ADDITIONS BEING SUGGESTED. I PARTICULARLY LIKE THE WRAPAROUND WINDOW ON THERE. UM, I DO THINK THAT, UM, HISTORIC STRUCTURES EVALUATION NEEDS TO BE DONE FOR THE BUILDING AND IT SHOULD BE DONE, UM, NOT JUST BY SOMEBODY WHO'S, UH, INDEPENDENTLY QUALIFIED TO DO IT, BUT ALSO SOMEBODY WHO HAS PARTICULAR EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH BRAINER JONES BUILDINGS AND EVALUATING THE BUILDING IN THE CONTEXT OF THE OTHER BRAINER, JONES BUILDINGS IN PETALUMA. UM, I MEAN, THIS IS A UNIQUE BUILDING AND DOESN'T NECESSARILY FIT WITH A LOT OF HIS OTHER BUILDINGS. SO, UM, THEY SHOULD EVALUATE THAT 1971 EDITION, UM, NOT JUST AS, UM, AN INDEPENDENT, UM, ELIGIBLE PORTION ON ITS OWN FROM 1971 AND LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT MIGHT BE SIGNIFICANT SUCH AS WORKMANSHIP OR DESIGN, THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT, UM, DOES IT CONTRIBUTE OR TAKE AWAY FROM THE BRAINER JONES BUILDING ITSELF? UM, HOW DOES IT, UM, FUNCTION IN THAT KIND OF CONTEXT AND HOW WOULD THESE, UH, PROPOSED ALTERATIONS, UM, CHANGE THAT? AND I THINK THAT, UM, THE, UH, [01:25:01] SOMEBODY WHO, UH, WOULD LOOK AT THIS, UM, HSE WOULD ALSO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT THESE CHANGES ARE. AND, UM, IF, UH, I THINK THAT IF THE 1971 ADDITION IS SIGNIFICANT ON ITS OWN AND, AND EITHER HAS SOME SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTION TO THE BRAINER JONES CONTEXT, UM, OR, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S SIGNIFICANT ABOUT THAT, UM, ADDITION, UM, I THINK THEN, UH, WE SHOULD BRING IT BACK FOR A FULL, MAJOR, MAJOR REVIEW FOR THE HCPC. IF THE 1971 EDITION IS FOUND BY AN INDEPENDENT PERSON AND THEN, UH, THROUGH THE HSE TO NOT BE SIGNIFICANT, AND THAT THESE ALTERATIONS AREN'T GOING TO MAKE A MAJOR CHANGE, UM, TO THE BUILDING, THEN I COULD SEE MAKING A CASE FOR DISCRETIONARY REVIEW, UM, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW ON THAT LEVEL INSTEAD, AND MAKING IT A MINOR ALTERATION. HOWEVER, I HAVE A KIND OF A HARD TIME SEEING IT AS A MINOR ALTERATION. THESE ARE, UH, MAJOR EXTERIOR CHANGES, AND THEY DO HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE LARGER, UM, HISTORIC DISTRICT, EVEN THOUGH THAT IT, IT MAY NOT BE A CONTRIBUTING ELEMENT TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, IT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE, AND REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S ACTUALLY PART OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OR NOT, IT DOES STILL HAVE VISITATION BY, UM, NON-RESIDENTS WHO COME AND SEE THE BUILDING. AND I COULD SEE, YOU KNOW, GIVING THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THIS HISTORIC FIRE ENGINE IS, IS, UM, A REALLY, UH, IMPORTANT ELEMENT THAT I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ADVANCED. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT, UM, CAUSING ANY DETERIORATION OF, OF SOMETHING THAT COULD BE SIGNIFICANT FOR THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT ITSELF. UM, SO THAT'S, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS ON IT. UM, CAN I ASK SOMETHING CHAIR? YEAH. IF, IF I COULD. UM, I, I VERY MUCH, I KNOW WE'RE NOT DONE, BUT I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS AND I I'M HAPPY TO HEAR THE, THE, UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT YOU DO, WANNA MAKE IT, MAKE IT RIGHT. AND YOU'RE WRITE A 71 EDITION, WE THINK OF STUFF IN THE SEVENTIES IS, UH, LIME GREEN AND NOT REALLY HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT, BUT SOMETIMES IT IS. AND THAT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW. I DO WANT TO JUST ALSO AS YOUR FIRE CHIEF, JUST, JUST THIS ISN'T, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S BEING SAID. I JUST WANNA PUT ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE OUT THERE. UM, JUST SOME OF THE CHALLENGES I'M FACING. UM, WHEN I READ THAT 1999 REPORT THAT I FOUND OUT, NO, I BECAME THE FIRE. I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 25 YEARS. I BECAME THE FIRE CHIEF TWO YEARS AGO, AND I READ THAT REPORT AND I WAS THIS CLOSE TO PULLING ALL OF OUR APPARATUS OUT ONTO SECOND STREET AND CLOSING SECOND STREET AND NOT HAVING OUR PEOPLE SLEEP IN THAT STATION. I HAVE SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS ABOUT THE BELL TOWER AND A SEISMIC EVENT FALLING ONTO OUR SLEEPING QUARTERS. IF IT HAPPENS AT NIGHT WHEN PEOPLE ARE RESTING, THERE IS, WITH ANY REASONABLE SIGNIFICANT SEISMIC EVENT, THOSE APPARATUS BAY DOORS ARE GONNA BE RACKED TO WHERE WE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FORCE AND PRY THE DOORS OPEN TO GET OUR APPARATUS OUT. AND IN AN EARTHQUAKE THAT'S NOT GOOD, OBVIOUSLY. AND IF IN A MAJOR EVENT IT MIGHT TOTAL STRUCTURAL COLLAPSE. SO JUST SOME OF THE, IN THE, IN THE WINTERTIME WE HAVE PEOPLE GETTING BEDDING DOWN AND RESTING BETWEEN TREES DOWN AND POWER LINES DOWN IN WINDOWS BLOWING OPEN AND GETTING RAINED ON WHEN THEY'RE IN BED. UM, YOU KNOW, SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE CHALLENGES WE'RE GONNA BE PUTTING PEOPLE WE'RE CURRENTLY GETTING READY FOR THE TEMPORARY FACILITY. IT'S A DOUBLE WIDE MOBILE HOME THAT WAS DONATED THAT WE'RE, WE PLAN ON USING FOR A YEAR. ONCE THAT'S IN PLACE, I MIGHT BE MOVING MY FIREFIGHTERS TO THAT, UM, BECAUSE OF THE SIGNIFICANT RISK AT THE D STREET STATION, BUT I DON'T WANT THEM TO BE IN THE DOUBLE WIDE MOBILE HOME ON A TEMPORARY SITE FOR MORE THAN THEY HAVE TO BE. SO I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S BEING SAID. I WOULD, I WOULD, I THINK APPARATUS MADE, I WOULD ALMOST, AND I'M SPEAKING OUTTA TURN HERE, I KNOW I AM, BUT I FEEL THIS IS IMPORTANT. I WOULD RA IF THERE, IF THIS WAS GONNA BE DELAYED PROJECT AND I'D HAVE MY FIREFIGHTER INCREASED RISK, MY FIREFIGHTER SAFETY OR COMFORT, OR I WOULD RATHER SAY, WELL THEN FORGET THE SEVENTIES EDITION, LET'S JUST DO APPARATUS BAY DOORS THAT LOOK ORIGINAL, THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH. AND IT GETS MY FIREFIGHTERS SAFE ENVIRONMENT. UM, I LOVE, I LOVE WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED. I TOTALLY LOVE IT. I THINK IT'S SUPER COOL. AND I WANT THIS TO BE, WE'VE GOT ONE SHOT AT THIS AND I WANNA BE THE COOLEST THING EVER. UM, BUT I CAN'T MAKE IT SUPER COOL AT THE RISK OF, UH, MY PRIMARY MISSION AND GOAL, EVEN THOUGH I 100% SUPPORT, I LOVE THAT FIRE STATION. I, WE, WE WERE GONNA PUT A BRAND NEW FIRE STATION AT 3 0 7 BOULEVARD SOUTH, AND I THINK THROUGH FATE, A REDEVELOPMENT MONEY GOT TAKEN AWAY AND THE FUNDING WENT AWAY IN 2008 AND WE STARTED AT SQUARE ONE, AND [01:30:01] NOW WE HAVE A BETTER PLAN. AND THAT BETTER PLAN INCLUDES KEEPING THAT AS A FIRE STATION, WHICH I'M SUPER EXCITED ABOUT. BUT I, BUT I COULDN'T LEAVE HERE TODAY WITHOUT, I WOULD LOVE THAT TO BE A CONSIDERATION, UM, TO WHERE POTENTIALLY AS YOU'RE SAYING, WELL, THIS IS GONNA TRIGGER ALL THESE OTHER THINGS, I'D LOVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, WELL THEN LET'S TAKE SOME OF THAT OFF THE TABLE THEN, AND JUST, WE'LL STILL PUT THE FIRE ENGINE THERE, BUT PEOPLE WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE IT AS GOOD. BUT IT'S STILL WAY COOLER THAN IT'S TODAY. I'D LIKE IT TO BE THE COOLEST , BUT JUST SOME STUFF THAT I, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I AM. I WOULD MUCH RATHER, UM, HAVE IT DONE IN A YEAR AND A HALF THEN FOR IT TO TAKE TWO YEARS PLUS AND HAVE IT PERFECT. I CAN'T LET PERFECT GET IN THE WAY OF MY FIREFIGHTERS SAFETY. AND, AND I HAVE FEMALE FIREFIGHTERS WHO HAVE TO WAIT FOR MALE FIREFIGHTERS TO FINISH SHOWERING BEFORE THEY CAN SHOWER. AND THOSE KIND OF CONCERNS PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, SO ANYWAY, I COULD GO ON AND ON , UM, AND I WON'T, BUT I APPRECIATE YOU LISTENING AND THAT'S JUST, UH, UH, JUST, JUST ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE TO CONSIDER. I KNOW THAT'S NOT YOUR JOB, BUT YEAH, I'D LIKE THERE TO BE SOME, I LOVE THIS FORMAT OF WORK GROUP JUST FOR, AND, AND DISCUSSION WITH THE COMMUNITY TOO. LIKE, HEY, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S CAUSES SIGNIFICANT HEARTBURN OR THAT I, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING RIGHT FOR THE RIGHT REASONS. IF WE'RE NOT, AND WE'RE EDUCATED ON GO, OH, HEY, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. LET'S, LET'S PIVOT. BUT I, I, I WOULD, BUT, BUT TIME IS OF A FACTOR. WE HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE, AND I THINK WE'VE GONE UTMOST TO DO IT, RIGHT? YEAH. AND I'M SUPER EXCITED TO TAKE WHATEVER RECOMMENDED SHOULD YOU HAVE. I'D LOVE THE CONCEPT OF RECOMMENDATIONS AND STAFF DIRECTION SO THAT WE CAN DO THE, CONTINUE THE RIGHT THING BASED ON RECOMMENDATIONS VERSUS, AND, AND POSSIBLY THAT'S A HSE. AND THEN IF THIS, THEN LET'S DO THIS. IF IT'S NOT THAT, LET'S DO THIS, AND THEN WE CAN REEVALUATE AND PIVOT INSTEAD OF IT AUTOMATICALLY GOING DOWN A ROAD THAT I, I DON'T HAVE THE, I CAN'T GO DOWN. SO THANK YOU FOR THE YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SUGGESTING THINGS THAT ARE GONNA TAKE AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF TIME. I, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, GETTING AN HSE DONE IS, IS NOT THAT STRENUOUS. IT'S NOT THAT DIFFICULT. I'VE DONE MANY OF THEM MYSELF. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, FOR, FOR US ON THE HCPC, IT ADDS TO OUR ABILITY TO EVALUATE THE ENTIRE HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO HAVING HSES ON THESE BUILDINGS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT KEY. SO WHEN WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE ONE GET DONE, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE ALL IN FAVOR OF SEEING IT GET DONE. AND, UM, BUT NOT IN THE WAY THAT IT WOULD HOLD UP OUR CITY'S INFRASTRUCTURE IN ANY WAY. YOU KNOW, WE WANNA MOVE FORWARD AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT BUILDING SEISMICALLY FIT FOR HISTORIC PURPOSES AS WELL. AND ALL THE INTERIOR, UM, CHANGES ITSELF. YOU KNOW, IF, IF THERE'S POTENTIAL FOR, UM, VISITORS TO COME IN AND SEE HISTORIC ELEMENTS, THAT'S GREAT, BUT IF IT GETS IN THE WAY OF, OF THE FUNCTIONING OF THE FIREHOUSE, THEN, YOU KNOW, UH, WE DON'T WANNA SEE THAT EITHER. UM, BUT WE WANT TO SEE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THE CITY MAINTAINS ITS HISTORIC NATURE AND IS THE REASON WHY PEOPLE COME TO PETALUMA TO SHOP AND TO, YOU KNOW, EAT IN RESTAURANTS AND THINGS ANYWAY, SO, UM, ABSOLUTELY. I COULDN'T AGREE MORE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YEAH, CHAIR, I WOULD, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD, I I REALLY VALUE THIS CONVERSATION, AND I AGREE, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT FORMAT AND USE OF A STUDY SESSION ON A VERY IMPORTANT PROJECT, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S SO IMPORTANT FOR MANY REASONS. UM, SO, UH, AND I REALLY VALUE YOUR DETAILED COMMENTS ON WHAT THE HSE SHOULD COVER. I APPRECIATE THAT GUIDANCE AND WE'LL CERTAINLY ACT ON THAT. I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT, UH, TWO THINGS. FIRST OF ALL, WHEN WE WOULD RECEIVE THE HSE, WE TYPICALLY RECEIVE IT AS AN ADMINISTRATIVE DRAFT. UH, WE, WE REVIEW IT, SOMETIMES WE'LL PEER REVIEW IT, AND THEN WE PROVIDE IT BACK TO THE AUTHOR FOR A REVISION AND FINALIZATION. WHEN, WHEN IT IS A FINAL HSE, THEN THAT IS PUBLICLY AVAILABLE. SO, UH, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, INCLUDING HCPC WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO THAT. SECOND, THE, THE, THE DECISION ABOUT ADMINISTRATIVE VERSUS MAJOR IS A, A DECISION THAT CONTINUES TO FLEX AND FLUX DEPENDING ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE DO RECEIVE. SO WE COULD RECEIVE THE HSC AND THE DIRECTOR COULD BE COMPELLED TO DECIDE THAT COMMENTS IN THE HSC, UH, WARRANT A RETURN TO HCPC AS MAJOR HS A R OR THE, THE HSE COULD BE CONCLUSIVE AND BE QUITE CLEAR THAT THE, THE ALTERATIONS AS PROPOSED WOULD NOT NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE, UH, THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE STRUCTURE OR, AND, AND WOULD FURTHER ILLUMINATE ON THE 1971 STRUCTURE. SO I, I THINK THAT SO MUCH DEPENDS ON THE HSE THAT I APPRECIATE THE COMMITTEE'S SUPPORT FOR, FOR MOVING FORWARD, HAVING THE HSE COMPLETED, SEE WHAT IT SAYS, AND THEN ALLOWING THE DIRECTOR TO, TO TAKE THE APPROPRIATE AND RESPONSIBLE [01:35:01] ACTION, UM, BASED UPON THE OUTCOME OF THE HSC. THEN FINALLY, UM, SHOULD IT BE DECIDED TO PURSUE ADMINISTRATIVE HS A R, UH, BASED UPON THE HSCA DECISION BY THE DIRECTOR CAN ALWAYS BE APPEALED TO HCPC. SO WE DO HAVE THAT, UH, COMPONENT OF DUE PROCESS WHERE WE CAN CONTINUE TO RESPOND TO CONCERNS THAT THE, THE PUBLIC MIGHT HAVE. YEAH, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. I THINK THAT, UM, IT DEPENDS ON THE HH, UH, THE HSE AND WHAT ITS, UM, COMPONENTS SAY. AND I THINK THAT ONCE THAT COMES IN AS A DRAFT FORM AND YOU REVIEW IT AND YOU DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THAT, UM, IT WARRANTS ANY ADDITIONAL EVALUATION, UM, YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT OR BRING IT BACK TO THE HCPC. AND IF IT'S REPORTED TO THE A-C-H-C-P-C AND WE DISAGREE, THEN WE'LL ALWAYS APPEAL IT AND, YOU KNOW, ASK FOR A RE A FULL REVIEW. GREAT. THANK YOU CHAIR. UM, OKAY. ARE THERE ANY MORE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? I, ALRIGHT. UM, SO I WAS JUST GONNA ADD, UH, ON ANDREW'S POINT AND YOUR POINT ABOUT THE ADMINISTRATIVE VERSUS MAJOR SPAR, UH, EVEN IF IT WAS ADMINISTRATIVE, THE SAME FINDINGS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE MADE THAT YOU GUYS WOULD MAKE WOULD BE NEED TO BE MADE BY ANDREWS. SO, UH, IF ANDREW IN ALL GOOD CONSCIOUS WITH THE H SPAR ARE WITH HSC COULDN'T MAKE THOSE FINDINGS, THEN I DON'T THINK EITHER HE WOULD BE APPROVING IT OR BRING IT BEFORE YOU JUST TO DENY. SO, YEAH. OKAY. UM, SO THEN CAN [STAFF COMMENT] WE HAVE THE PLANNING MANAGERS REPORT? SURE. THANK YOU. WELL, WE, UH, AGAIN, WELCOME TO OUR NEW COMMITTEE MEMBERS. UH, WE GREATLY APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR STEPPING UP YOUR SERVICE THANK YOU TO, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBER, FORMER VICE CHAIR VAN OMRAN. UM, WE WERE, UH, I WAS EXCITED WHEN I SAW HER WALK IN TODAY BECAUSE I THOUGHT, OH, SHE'S BACK, BUT, UH, BUT, UH, SHE'S BACK AS A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC AND, AND, UH, WE LOVE HER IN THAT ROLE AS WELL. WHAT, UH, SO, SO TODAY, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T AGENDIZE ELECTION OF OFFICERS, THE HCPC UH, DOES AS A COMMITTEE ELECT A CHAIR AND A VICE CHAIR, AND, UH, WE DIDN'T DO THAT BECAUSE IT WASN'T AGENDIZED DONE. UH, OUR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY RIGHTLY SO RECOMMENDED THAT WE DON'T DO THE ELECTION BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO FACE A BROWN ACT VIOLATION. SO I, I THINK WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND IS THAT, UM, WE LOOK AT HOLDING THE MEETING IN SEPTEMBER. UH, WE CAN DO A WORKSHOP, WE CAN DIG A LITTLE BIT DEEPER INTO THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS. WE CAN LOOK MORE CLOSELY AT SOME OF THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE'VE MENTIONED TODAY, UH, HISTORIC COMMERCIAL DISTRICT GUIDELINES, HOW OUR HISTORIC COMMERCIAL AND, AND OTHER DISTRICTS EVOLVED AND REALLY SORT OF START TO PULL IT APART SO THAT YOU HAVE A GREATER LEVEL OF COMFORT WITH THE WORK THAT YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO DO GOING FORWARD. THEN AT THAT SAME TIME, WE'LL, WE'LL CERTAINLY, UH, BE SURE TO AGENDIZE THE ELECTION AND WE'LL DO THE ELECTION OF OFFICERS AS WELL. SO I SEE SOME HEAD NODS. SO, UH, WITH THAT, I'LL, UH, FOLLOWING THIS MEETING, WE'LL ASK, UH, URIEL TO, UH, SEND OUT AN EMAIL REQUESTING ATTENDANCE FOR QUORUM. AND, UH, WE'LL PLAN THEN TO MEET AT THE, THE REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING, WHICH I BELIEVE IS, UH, SEPTEMBER, UM, THIRD THE DAY AFTER LABOR DAY. UH, AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE THIS EVENING CHAIR. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMITTEE ON THE REPORT? ALL RIGHT. IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, THEN WE WILL ADJOURN AT, WHAT DOES THAT SAY? 5 46. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.