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          UH, I WILL, UM, REMIND THE MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE IF THEY WANT TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT TO, TO FILL OUT A COMMENT CARD, PLEASE. 
          AND, AND SUBMIT IT TO THE CLERK. 
          AND WE'LL OPEN UP WITH ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          OKAY. 
          EWING KUSON HERE. 
          OBEYED FORMBY? HERE. 
          VER HERE. 
          ERLA HERE. 
          ELLI HERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT]
AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, WE DID GET, UM, TWO PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          EVEN THEY'VE BEEN POSTED TO THE AGENDA ONE GENERAL, AND ONE ON ITEM AGENDA ITEM THREE. 
          SO THEY'VE BEEN POSTED. 
          GREAT. 
          AND WITH THAT, I'LL OPEN IT UP TO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          THAT'S REALLY GOOD AT THE DEAN CHAIR. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          JUST . 
          UM, WE HAVE CATHERINE HOLT EXACTLY WHAT THE SITUATION ABOUT THE TREES ARE AND WHAT YOU GUYS ARE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT. 
          ALL MY, I WANNA MAKE FOR A COMMENT IS THAT I THINK PETALUMA SHOULD INCORPORATE FRUIT TREES AROUND THE CITY. 
          I THINK ORANGE TREES, APPLE TREES WOULD BE A NICE LITTLE ADDITION TO OUR PARK-LIKE SETTING THAT WE HAVE CONTRIBUTE FOOD FOR PEOPLE AND JUST MAKE IT A MUCH MORE HAPPY SPACE. 
          I DON'T, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THIS ACTUAL, UM, MEETING IS ABOUT. 
          CAN YOU GIMME AN OVERVIEW REALLY QUICK BY CHANCE? UM, THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT THIS, THIS, THIS PORTION IS, UM, BUT I'D BE, WE'D BE HAPPY TO, UH, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT CUTTING TREES DOWN IN THIS MEETING AT ALL? OKAY, GOOD. 
          NO, NOT AT ALL. 
          WE'RE ADDING, RIGHT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'RE, THAT'S, WE SPECIFICALLY ADDING, JUST TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION REAL QUICK. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'RE A TREE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, SO WE ADVISE THE CITY ON TREE POLICY, SO, OKAY, GOOD. 
          BECAUSE, UM, IT WAS A LOT OF, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. 
          TREE CUTTING. 
          AND THERE WAS NO, UM, WELL IF YOU STICK AROUND TODAY, YOU'LL, YOU'LL, UH, HAVE AN OVERVIEW OF A NEW TREE PROTECTION ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO GET BETWEEN TO TREAT, UH, TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          BECAUSE THERE WAS NO MITIGATION OF THE REDWOODS THAT WAS CALLED ALONG THE HIGHWAY. 
          YEAH, WE'RE WORKING ON THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          BECAUSE I TRY TO CONTACT, UM, CALTRANS AND NOBODY WOULD TALK TO ME, SO. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, HOW LONG DOES THIS USUALLY LAST? 'CAUSE TILL FIVE O'CLOCK. 
          OH. 
          OH, THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL I CAN GET THE, UH, MINUTES ONLINE AFTER, RIGHT? IT IS, YEAH. 
          IT'LL BE RECORDED. 
          AND CHAIR FOR ME. 
          I'M SORRY, I'M GONNA INTERRUPT. 
          IN GENERAL, PUBLIC COMMENT, IT'S NORMALLY NOT A DIALOGUE BACK AND FORTH. 
          I, I UNDERSTAND. 
          SO THERE'S QUESTIONS, PLEASE. 
          OH, BUT BACK I'M SPECIAL. 
          NO, I'M JUST KIDDING. 
          OKAY. 
          BRU. 
          THAT'S ALL I WANNA SAY. 
          THANK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UH, NEXT WE HAVE CHARLES LITTLE FROM RELIEF, AND I'LL JUST EXCUSE, BUT IF EVERYBODY CAN MAKE SURE THEY SPEAK IN THEIR MICROPHONES, OUR TEMPORARY AC UNITS ARE A LITTLE BIT LOUD, SO PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU SPEAK IN AND SPEAK. 
          SPEAK UP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, THIS IS NOT GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          THIS IS COMMENT ON THE, UH, TREE ORDINANCE. 
          IS THAT, IS THIS THE RIGHT TIME FOR THAT? OKAY. 
          UM, YOU PROCEED? NO, IF YOU'RE COMMENTING ON THE ORDINANCE, WE'D HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE ITEM'S THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          OH, PARDON ME. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          I'M I, OKAY. 
          WELL, UM, 
          [APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
THEN THAT'LL OPEN IT UP FOR THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM THE, UH, MEETING FROM JUNE 19TH. 
          SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR VISIT CARRIES. 
          THAT'S APPROVAL OF MINUTES. 
          AND, 
          [PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION]
UH, NEXT WE'LL RECEIVE A, UM, PRESENTATION, UH, DISCUSS AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON UPDATED DRAFT OF TREE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE, IMPLEMENTING ZONING ORDINANCE CHAPTER 17 TO INFORM SUBSEQUENT ADOPTION HEARINGS WITH PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL. 
          AND WITH THAT, I'LL OPEN IT UP TO, UH, HEATHER AND THANK YOU. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          I GUESS, UM, CINDY IS GONNA PULL UP MY PRESENTATION AND, UM, WE CAN GET STARTED. 
          UM, BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO BE HERE, UM, BEFORE YOU TO CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE TREE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE, UM, 
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AND GET SOME ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK, DISCUSS SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT YOU WILL HAVE SEEN OUTLINED IN YOUR PACKET, UM, BOTH IN A TRACK CHANGES VERSION, SO YOU COULD KIND OF TRACK SPECIFICALLY WHAT HAD CHANGED SINCE WE LAST DISCUSSED, AS WELL AS A CLEAN VERSION. 
          UM, AM I GONNA HAVE TO FLY BLIND WITHOUT A PRESENTATION? , HEATHER, SORRY, IT'S NOT LETTING ME SHARE A SCREEN. 
          GIMME JUST A SECOND. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          I DON'T THINK I EVER SAW THE STAFF REPORT. 
          IS THERE ANYTHING IN THERE I NEED? I DON'T THINK SO. 
          I DIDN'T PRINT A COPY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE ARE HERE THIS AFTERNOON TO TALK ABOUT TREE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          AND JUST AS A STARTING POINT TO, UH, JUST REFLECT BACK, SO WE'RE ALL KIND OF STARTING FROM THE SAME, THE SAME BASIS. 
          TREES ARE A SIGNIFICANT COMMUNITY PRIORITY IN PETALUMA. 
          UH, THEY ARE DISCUSSED IN OUR CITYWIDE GOALS, PART OF OUR CLIMATE EMERGENCY FRAMEWORK, OUR DRAFT BLUEPRINT FOR CLIMATE ACTION GENERAL PLAN POLICY, BOTH IN OUR EXISTING GENERAL PLAN AS WELL AS THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE THAT WE ARE IN PROCESS AND OUR ZONING ORDINANCE. 
          SO THAT'S REALLY SETTING THE STAGE FOR, UM, WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY AND WHY THIS HAS RISEN TO A PRIORITY FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          SPECIFICALLY WITH OUR CITYWIDE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES, UM, AN UPDATE TO THE TREE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE WAS ONE OF THE TOP 10, UM, THAT THE COUNCIL, COUNCIL, UM, DIRECTED STAFF TO WORK ON. 
          THAT IS LARGELY IN PART TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE RECOGNIZING THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS THAT TREES BRING, AND WE ARE WORKING TO PRESERVE THOSE BENEFITS, UM, THROUGH BOTH A TREE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE UPDATE AS WELL AS UPDATING OUR INTERNAL PROCESSING AND PERMITTING. 
          SO THAT, AGAIN, LEADS US TO WHY WE ARE HERE TODAY. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO TODAY'S DISCUSSION, REALLY FOUR THINGS. 
          A RECAP ON SOME OF THE INPUT WE HEARD, BOTH FROM THE TREE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, AS WELL AS FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHEN WE WERE LAST. 
          BEFORE YOU DISCUSS, UM, SOME OF THE KEY UPDATES IN THE UPDATED DRAFT, THAT IS BEFORE YOU FOR FEEDBACK, RECEIVE YOUR INPUT. 
          WE'RE SEEKING INPUT FROM THE TREE ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON THAT UPDATED DRAFT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE AREAS THAT ARE TOO RESTRICTIVE OR ARE THERE SUGGESTIONS FOR FURTHER REFINEMENT? THAT FEEDBACK WILL THEN BE INCORPORATED INTO A FINAL DRAFT TO MOVE FORWARD FOR ADOPTION. 
          AND OF COURSE, THIS IS ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO SEEK COMMUNITY AND STAKEHOLDER INPUT. 
          UM, STAFF DID SIT DOWN WITH RELIEF, UM, TO REVIEW THIS UPDATED DRAFT, UM, EARLIER IN THE WEEK AS ONE OF THE PRIMARY STAKEHOLDERS THAT HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS, UM, THROUGHOUT, UM, AS, AND THERE IS, I BELIEVE ONE WRITTEN COMMENT THAT WE'VE RECEIVED ALSO FROM RELIEF, UM, IN RESPONSE TO THIS MEETING. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO, GENERAL THEMES, UM, FROM THE LAST TREE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY THERE WAS SUPPORT FOR THE UPDATES AND THE DIRECTION THAT THE ORDINANCE, UH, WAS MOVING. 
          UM, ADDRESSING THINGS THAT ARE NOT THINGS THAT ARE NOT ADEQUATELY COVERED IN OUR EXISTING ORDINANCE. 
          UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF FOCUS ON STREET TREES, A LOT OF FOCUS ON WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A SINGLE PROCESS FOR CONSIDERATION OF TREE REMOVALS REGARDLESS OF WHERE THEY ARE, WHETHER THEY'RE STREET TREES, PRIVATE PROPERTY, UM, BUT REALLY WANTING TO MAKE SURE THERE'S THAT CONSISTENCY SO THAT THERE IS LESS OF AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT INTENT AND THAT PURPOSE AND THAT FOCUS ON TREE PRESERVATION TO BE LOST THROUGH DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT REVIEW, DIFFERENT PEOPLE REVIEWING DIFFERENT PROCESSES AND PERMIT REQUIREMENTS. 
          SO 
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THAT WAS A, THAT WAS A REAL OVERARCHING THEME THAT WE HEARD. 
          UM, THERE WAS ALSO A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE NEED FOR EDUCATION, FOR INCENTIVES, UM, TO, TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A ROBUST TREE PRESERVATION PROGRAM. 
          AND THE TREE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE IS ONE PART OF THAT, BUT IT IS NOT THE ENTIRE PROGRAM IN AND OF ITSELF. 
          UM, SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS DISCUSSED IN THE, UM, STAFF REPORT IS A LOT OF THOSE INCENTIVES, EDUCATION REPLANTING, THOSE KIND OF THINGS, THEY'RE ALL DEFINITELY PART OF THAT ROBUST PROGRAM, BUT THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE CODIFIED IN THE ORDINANCE. 
          UM, SIMILARLY, THE NEED TO REFOCUS ON REPLANTING TO MINIMIZE TREE LOSS, UM, AND INCORPORATING TREES AS CONSIDERATION INTO A BROAD RANGE OF CITY PROJECTS. 
          SO WANTING TO MAKE SURE WHEN WE'RE DOING A ROAD PROJECT, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT STREET TREES. 
          UM, WHEN WE ARE, UM, UPDATING STREET STANDARDS, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THE ROLE THAT STREET TREES PLAY IN THAT UPDATED STANDARDS. 
          UM, SO REALLY TRYING TO INCORPORATE TREES AS PART OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, AS PART OF OUR QUALITY OF LIFE, AS PART OF OUR, UM, CLIMATE, UM, COMBATING CLIMATE CHANGE, UM, AND HAVE IT INCORPORATED INTO ALL THE THINGS WE DO. 
          UH, ALSO THERE WERE COMMENTS ABOUT THAT, THE UPDATE TO CITY'S PERMITTING PROCESS FOR CONSISTENCY, AS I PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, AROUND STREET TREES. 
          UH, SO THERE IS THAT CONSISTENCY ACROSS ALL CITY DEPARTMENTS. 
          SO YOU DON'T HAVE ONE PROCESS IN THE MUNI CODE THAT APPLIES TO STREET TREES. 
          AND ONE PROCESS IN THE ZONING CODE THAT APPLIES TO, APPLIES TO DEVELOPMENT PERMITS. 
          YOU'VE GOT THAT CONSISTENCY. 
          UM, AND FINALLY, THE IMPORTANCE OF, UH, AUGMENTING STAFF RESOURCES AS NEEDED TO ENSURE THAT WE DO HAVE QUALIFIED PEOPLE TO REVIEW PERMITS TO BE PART OF THAT CONVERSATION. 
          UM, INTEL IN-HOUSE EXPERTISE IS AVAILABLE ON CITY STAFF. 
          UM, SO THOSE WERE SOME OF THE BIGGER THEMES, UM, FROM THE TREE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          SIMILARLY, PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          UH, THERE WAS ALSO GENERAL SUPPORT FROM THE, FROM THE FEW PUBLIC COMMENTS WE DID RECEIVE. 
          UM, THERE WERE SOME, A FEW PRETTY CONCRETE SUGGESTIONS. 
          THERE WAS SOME SUGGESTIONS FOR EXPANDING, UH, THE LIST OF NUISANCE TREES UNDER THE EXEMPTIONS. 
          UH, THERE WAS, UM, COMMENTS ABOUT ADDITIONAL EXEMPTION FOR TREES THAT IMPACT EXISTING RE STRUCTURES OR INFRASTRUCTURES ON A SITE. 
          UM, THERE WAS CONCERN VOICED ABOUT REPLACEMENT RATIOS BEING RESTRICTIVE, ESPECIALLY FOR HOMEOWNERS, UM, AND REPLACEMENT RATIOS FOR LARGER DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS NOT BEING ALIGNED WITH THE ACTUAL COSTS OF LARGER REPLACEMENT SPECIES. 
          AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO COMMENTS ABOUT LANGUAGE ABOUT MAINTAINING REPLACEMENT TREES AFTER PLANNING. 
          SO WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THE, THE RESPONSIBILITY TO NOT ONLY MAKE SURE THE TREE IS PLANTED, BUT TO MAKE SURE THE TREE IS MAINTAINED SO THAT IT CAN SURVIVE. 
          SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE COMMENTS WE'VE RECEIVED. 
          SOME OF THE DISCUSSION WE WILL HAVE TODAY ABOUT MODIFICATIONS THAT WERE MADE TO THE, UM, DRAFT TREE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE. 
          WERE DIRECTLY IN RESPONSE TO SOME OF THOSE THEMES AND SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO I'M GOING TO STEP THROUGH NOT EVERY SINGLE THING THAT IS IDENTIFIED IN THE TRACK CHANGES, BUT MORE THAT KIND OF THE THEMES OR THE, UM, BIGGER ITEMS THAT SHIFTED IN THIS LATEST UPDATE. 
          UM, THE FIRST ONE IN THE APPLICABILITY SECTION, WE ADDED STREET TREES. 
          UM, SO WE MADE THE TREE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE APPLICABLE TO TREES ON PRIVATE PROPERTY IN EVERY ZONE THROUGHOUT THE CITY, AND TREES LOCATED WITHIN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. 
          SO THAT WAS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT SHIFT. 
          UM, AND YOU WILL SEE OTHER MODIFICATIONS THROUGHOUT THE ORDINANCE TO PICK THAT UP AND, UM, MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS APPLIED TO THE OTHER AREAS AS WELL. 
          UM, AND THIS REALLY, THIS MODIFICATION WAS IN RESPONSE TO THAT CONCERN THAT SEPARATE PROCESSES IS CONFUSING, HAS THE POTENTIAL TO DIVERGE FROM THAT STRONG INTENT, UM, THAT IS IN THIS DRAFT PRESERVATION ORDINANCE AS WELL OF TREE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE. 
          THIS WAS ALSO DONE IN DISCUSSION, UM, WITH PUBLIC WORKS, WHO IN OUR MUNI CODE SECTION RIGHT NOW, KIND OF OVERSEES THE, UM, UH, TREE PERMITS FOR RIGHT OF WAY TREES, STREET TREES IS WITH PUBLIC WORKS. 
          AND SO THERE WAS A INTERNAL DISCUSSION, UM, AND A REAL SUPPORT TO 
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HAVE IT ALL COME THROUGH HERE. 
          AND THEN, UH, AS WE'LL DISCUSS LATER, A TREE REPLACEMENT PERMIT WOULD NEED TO BE SUBMITTED TO PUBLIC WORKS IF THERE WAS A REQUEST TO, UH, REMOVE AND REPLACE A STREET TREE SO THAT THERE WAS THAT CLARITY THAT IT HAD ALREADY BEEN THROUGH THAT SAME PERMIT. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          SO, MOVING TO EXEMPTIONS, THERE WERE A FEW CHANGES. 
          WE DID MAKE TWO, UM, EXEMPTIONS. 
          UM, SO ONE OF THEM, THERE WAS A COMMENTS, I THINK BOTH FROM TREE ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT IT WASN'T ALWAYS CLEAR WHAT SIZE TREE THE ORDINANCE REFERRED TO. 
          SO EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE IT IN A DEFINITION OF TREE BEING SIX INCHES IN DIAMETER OR LARGER, UM, WE DID, UH, AT A COUPLE KEY PLACES, WE JUST RESTATED THAT SO THAT WE WEREN'T RELYING SOLELY ON SOMEBODY GOING TO THE DEFINITIONS, BUT IT WAS, UM, INCREASED CLARITY. 
          SO WE CLARIFIED THAT THE ORDINANCE DOES NOT APPLY TO A TREE WITH A TRUNK DIAMETER LESS THAN SIX INCHES. 
          SO IN REFERENCES THAT DEFINITION OF TREE. 
          UM, SO THAT WAS IN RESPONSE TO COMMENTS ABOUT INCREASE IN CLARITY. 
          WE ADDED TWO EXEMPTIONS, UM, ONE BEING PROXIMITY TO FOUNDATION. 
          AND SO THE WAY THAT THAT, UM, EXEMPTION READS IN THE DRAFT IS FOR EXISTING TREES WITH A TRUNK BASE WITHIN THREE FEET OF A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE. 
          UM, AND THIS AGAIN, WAS DIRECTLY IN RESPONSE TO COMMENTS FROM BOTH THE PUBLIC AND SOME OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS, AND WAS A SUGGESTION FROM BEN IN TERMS OF THINGS, UM, FROM OTHER JURISDICTIONS THAT HE THOUGHT ARE, ARE USEFUL AND, UM, LEGITIMATE REASON TO CONSIDER, UM, YOU KNOW, AN EXEMPTION TO, UM, TO AVOID THAT CONFLICT. 
          SO, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DID POINT OUT IN THE STAFF REPORT IS WE REFERENCED RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE, UH, BUT WE DID NOT INCLUDE FENCES, SHEDS, GARAGES, SO NOT THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES OR, UM, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONS LIKE A FENCE. 
          SO THAT IS SOMETHING, A QUESTION TO THE TREE ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT YOU MAY WANNA PROVIDE SOME FEEDBACK ON. 
          IS THAT TOO RESTRICTIVE? SHOULD IT BE MORE BROADLY APPLIED TO, UM, ACCESSORY STRUCTURES OR, OR THE LIKE, UM, OR IS RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES APPROPRIATE? THE OTHER EXEMPTION THAT WE ADDED WAS PROXIMITY TO LARGER TREES. 
          AND THIS WAS REALLY, UM, TO ENSURE THE VIABILITY OF EXISTING TREES, UH, AVOID, YOU KNOW, THAT OVERCROWDING. 
          UM, SO THE WAY IT IS PROPOSED IS TO ALLOW TREE REMOVAL WHEN AN EXISTING TREE WITH A LESS THAN 16 INCH DIAMETER IS LOCATED WITHIN SIX FEET OF THE BASE OF A LARGER TREE. 
          SO THAT, UM, THAT ALLOWS THAT ENSURING THAT VIABILITY, UM, OF EXISTING TREES. 
          AND QUESTION FOR FEEDBACK TO THE TREE ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS THAT ACCURATELY CAPTURE APPROPRIATE SIZE AND PROXIMITY, UM, FOR THAT TYPE OF EXEMPTION. 
          WE HAD QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE EXEMPTION FOR NUISANCE SPECIES. 
          THERE WERE A NUMBER OF COMMENTS FROM TREE ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEMBERS AS WELL AS MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SUGGESTING ADDITIONAL, UM, SPECIES BE ADDED TO THE NUISANCE TREE, WHICH IS BASICALLY AN EXEMPTION TO REMOVE. 
          SO, UH, MONTEREY PINE, EUCALYPTUS, LIQUID, AMBER, THOSE WERE ALL SOME OF THE ONES THAT WERE SUGGESTED. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT IT, UH, UH, AMONGST OURSELVES AND REALLY HESITATED TO ADD ADDITIONAL SPECIES BECAUSE IF THOSE TREES ARE IN EXISTENCE AND ARE IN GOOD HEALTH, DO WE WANNA ENCOURAGE THEM TO BE REMOVED? UM, WHILE WE MAYBE DON'T WANNA ENCOURAGE THEM TO BE PLANTED, YOU KNOW, DON'T WANT THEM ON STREET TREE LISTS, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. 
          WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE SPECIES WHEN A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT IN COMES IN, DO WE WANT TO EXEMPT THEM AS NUISANCE SPECIES FOR THOSE THAT ALREADY EXIST? UM, SO THAT, THAT IS A QUESTION, UH, LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMITTEE. 
          UH, ARE THERE ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS THAT YOU SUGGEST WE MAKE TO THIS SPECIES LIST UNDER NUISANCE SPECIES? UM, ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT CAME IN FROM RELIEF WAS REQUESTING TO ADD THIS SPECIFIC SPECIES NAME TO THAT LIST. 
          SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DEFINITELY DO, UM, AS PART OF, UM, 
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INCORPORATING INPUT MOVING FORWARD. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          UH, SO TREE REPLACEMENT PERMITS. 
          SO ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS AS WE RENAMED TREE REMOVAL PERMIT TO TREE REPLACEMENT PERMIT, WHICH MAYBE SOUNDS LIKE, YOU KNOW, AN INSIGNIFICANT CHANGE, BUT WE FELT LIKE JUST KIND OF TRYING TO CONTINUE TO REINFORCE IT. 
          WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT APPROVING TREE REMOVALS. 
          UH, REALLY THE ONLY TIME THAT THEY'RE GOING TO, YOU'RE GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO REMOVE A TREE. 
          YOU ARE GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO REPLACE THAT TREE IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. 
          UM, SO ALIGNMENT, UH, WITH OUR PURPOSE OF THIS ORDINANCE, UM, TO PRESERVE TREES AND, UM, PRESERVE OUR EXISTING CANOPY AND EXPAND OUR EXISTING CANOPY, WE DON'T WANT TO REMOVE TREES, SO WE RENAME THE PERMIT TO, UM, TREE REPLACEMENT PERMIT. 
          IN THIS SECTION, WE ALSO, THIS WAS ANOTHER AREA THAT WE CLARIFIED THAT A PERMIT IS REQUIRED FOR TREES OF SIX INCHES IN DIAMETER OR GREATER. 
          AGAIN, JUST FOR THAT CLARITY RIGHT THERE IN THE TEXT, WITHOUT HAVING TO NECESSARILY REFER BACK TO THE DEFINITIONS. 
          UH, ANOTHER CHANGE IS, UH, AROUND STREET TREES. 
          SO IN THIS SECTION WE SPECIFIED THAT A TREE REPLACEMENT PERMIT MUST BE OBTAINED PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF AN ENCROACHMENT PERMIT FOR THE REMOVAL OF ANY STREET TREE. 
          UM, AND THERE WERE A FEW COMMENTS ABOUT, UM, I THINK FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT DON'T REQUIRE AN ENCROACHMENT PERMIT. 
          THE PURPOSE OF AN ENCROACHMENT PERMIT REALLY HAS A LOT TO DO WITH SOMEBODY WORKING IN THE RIGHT OF WAY ON CITY PROPERTY AND LIABILITY AND ALL OF THOSE KIND OF THINGS. 
          SO THERE'S NOT REALLY AN OPTION TO REMOVE THE NEED FOR AN ENCROACHMENT PERMIT. 
          IT'S PRETTY WELL ESTABLISHED IF SOMEBODY'S GONNA WORK IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, THEY NEED AN ENCROACHMENT PERMIT, THEY NEED TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE ALL THE REQUIRED INSURANCE, YOU KNOW, LIABILITIES, ALL OF ALL OF THAT KIND OF STUFF. 
          UH, BUT WHAT THE, THE ENCROACHMENT PERMIT WILL NOT BE DOING IS, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERING WHETHER TO APPROVE THE TREE REPLACEMENT PERMIT OR WHAT THE REPLACEMENT TREE THAT IS APPROVED IS. 
          THAT WILL ALL BE DONE THROUGH THE TREE REPLACEMENT PERMIT, BUT IT WILL BE A APPLICATION SUBMITTAL REQUIREMENT, FOREIGN ENCROACHMENT PERMIT FOR STREET TREES TO HAVE AN APPROVED TREE REPLACEMENT PERMIT. 
          UH, LET'S SEE. 
          WE ALSO EXPANDED THE REQUIRED FINDINGS FOR APPROVAL OF A TREE REPLACEMENT PERMIT TO REFERENCE A COUPLE THINGS. 
          ONE IS STREET TREES. 
          SO THERE IS A SECTION, UH, THAT SAYS ONE OF THE REQUIRED FINDINGS MAY BE THAT THE TREE, THERE'S INTERFERENCE WITH, UM, THE SIDEWALK, THE STREET, AND THERE HAS BEEN NO FEASIBLE ALTERNATIVE IDENTIFIED. 
          SO DEFINITELY WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, IT, IT IS NOT JUST THAT IT MAY BE KICKED UP THE SIDEWALK, BUT THAT WE LOOKED AT OTHER OPPORTUNITIES. 
          WE LOOKED AT ALL THE TOOLS IN OUR, IN OUR TOOLBOX TO, UM, ADDRESS THE SITUATION BEFORE WE LOOK AT REMOVING A TREE. 
          WE ALSO, UM, EXPANDED THE FINDINGS TO REFERENCE OUR EXISTING LANGUAGE ABOUT HERITAGE AND LANDMARKS, TREES, LANDMARK TREES THAT'S REFERRED TO IN THE MUNICIPAL CODE. 
          SO WHEN A TREE IS DESIGNATED AS A HERITAGE OR LANDMARK, THERE ARE SEPARATE CRITERIA FOR REPLACEMENT. 
          SO IT'S REFERENCING THAT SECTION OF THE CODE. 
          UM, SO THOSE ARE THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES UNDER THE TREE REPLACEMENT PERMITS, BUT DEFINITELY FEELING LIKE THE EXPANDED SCOPE OF REVIEW, UH, STILL MAINTAINED, IS STILL MAINTAINED, UM, THE, THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE EVEN WITH THESE CHANGES. 
          SO FEEDBACK, YOU KNOW, FROM THE COMMITTEE, ARE THERE CLARIFICATION, ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATIONS THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO PROVIDE CLEAR GUIDANCE, UM, OR ANY OTHER CHANGES THAT YOU'D LIKE US TO DISCUSS? NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO SECTION 1707 OH DEALS SPECIFICALLY WITH TREE REPLACEMENT RATIOS. 
          UM, AND SO WE MADE A COUPLE CHANGES HERE. 
          THIS WAS ANOTHER AREA OF THE DRAFT ORDINANCE THAT DID GET SOME FEEDBACK, BOTH FROM TREE ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. 
          WE, AGAIN, ADDED A REFERENCE TO THE PETALUMA MUNICIPAL CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR HERITAGE AND LANDMARK TREES. 
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UM, WE MODIFIED THE REPLACEMENT RATIOS FOR DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS TO BETTER ALIGN WITH THE ACTUAL COSTS OF LARGER TREE REPLACEMENTS. 
          THIS WAS IN RESPONSE TO COMMENTS THAT THE RATIOS IN THE PREVIOUS DRAFT WEREN'T ALIGNED WITH THE ACTUAL COSTS WHEN YOU WERE DOING A LARGER, UH, A 36 INCH OR A 48 INCH, UM, TREE REPLACEMENT. 
          UM, INSTEAD OF A 15 GALLON, UH, SO FEEDBACK LOOP FOR THE COMMITTEE, ARE THOSE REVISED REPLACEMENT RATIOS APPROPRIATE? UM, DO WE NEED TO LOOK AT ADDITIONAL CHANGES THERE? WE ALSO ADDED REPLACEMENT RATIO AND CONSIDERATIONS FOR STREET TREES. 
          SO WHEN THERE DOES NEED TO BE A REPLACEMENT OF STREET TREES, REFERENCING BACK TO THE APPROVED STREET TREE LIST AND LOOKING SPECIFICALLY AT THINGS LIKE WHAT IS THE WIDTH OF THE PLANTER STRIP OR IS IT A TREE? WELL, OR SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE KNOW CAN IMPACT, UH, STREET TREES AS THEY GROW IF THEY'RE NOT THE APPROPRIATE SPECIES IN THE APPROPRIATE SIZE AND LOCATION. 
          UM, ALSO LOOKING FOR THAT KIND OF CONTINUITY ON A STREET SCAPE DESIGN TO LOOK AT WHAT ARE THE OTHER STREET TREES IN, IN THE AREA ALONG THAT BLOCK ON, IS IT APPROPRIATE TO USE THAT SAME TYPE OF TREE, UM, FOR A TREE REPLACEMENT OR LOOK AT A DIFFERENT TYPE. 
          AND THEN, UM, ADDITIONALLY, WE ADDED MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY TO ENSURE THE SURVIVAL OF THE REPLACEMENT TREE. 
          AND AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, THAT WAS IN DIRECT RESPONSE TO A COMMENT FROM RELIEF ASKING THAT THAT BE ADDED TO ENSURE THAT THAT WAS, THAT WAS PART OF THE REQUIREMENT THAT NOT ONLY DID, UM, DID AN APPLICANT REPLACE THE TREE, BUT THEY MAINTAINED IT TO MAKE SURE IT SURVIVED. 
          SO IS THERE ANYTHING THAT'S MISSING FROM THIS SECTION? UM, IS THE ONE TREE PER THREE INCHES OF TRUNK DIAMETER REPLACEMENT RATIO WHEN A TREE IS NOT PART OF A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT TO ONEROUS FOR INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNERS? THAT WAS AN ITEM THAT WAS BROUGHT UP BY, UM, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AND I BELIEVE TREE ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEMBERS. 
          IT WAS ALSO A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF, UM, THE WORK THAT RELIEF DID. 
          AND, AND, UM, SO WE DID NOT CHANGE THAT IN THE DRAFT, BUT WANTED TO FLAG IT AS SOMETHING THAT THE COMMITTEE MAY WISH TO DISCUSS. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          UH, MINISTERIAL PROJECTS. 
          SO THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT AREN'T GOING THROUGH A DISCRETIONARY PROCESS. 
          THESE ARE, UM, UH, A BUILDING PERMIT FOR AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT OR AN ADDITION ON THE BACK OF A HOUSE, THINGS THAT ARE JUST A BUILDING PERMIT. 
          UM, CURRENTLY THERE'S NO EXPLICIT REQUIREMENT TO ACKNOWLEDGE TREES ON THE SITE OR ANY TREE PRESERVATION IF SOMEONE'S NOT PROPOSING TO REMOVE A TREE AS PART OF THEIR BUILDING PERMIT. 
          BUT WHAT WE HAVE, HAVE SEEN HAPPEN IS THERE WILL BE CONSTRUCTION IMPACTS THAT EVEN THOUGH SOMEBODY DIDN'T MEAN TO REMOVE OR DIDN'T SET OUT TO REMOVE A TREE BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT PROTECTING THE TREE, THEY WERE NOT THINKING ABOUT THE TREE IN PROXIMITY TO THE SCOPE OF CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES, THAT THE TREE IS THEN IMPACTED AND ULTIMATELY NEEDS TO BE REMOVED. 
          SO WHAT THIS SECTION DOES IS IT ADDS MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS, UH, FOR WHEN SOMEBODY IS SUBMITTING A BUILDING PERMIT AND THERE IS AN EXISTING TREE WITHIN 30 FEET OF THE SCOPE OF THE CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES, THAT THEY SUBMIT A SITE PLAN AS PART OF THEIR SUBMITTAL, THAT THEY IDENTIFY THE SCOPE OF CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY WHERE EXISTING TREES ARE, AND INSTALL TREE PROTECTIVE FENCING, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE, THAT THERE'S THAT AWARENESS AND THAT, UM, THOUGHTFULNESS TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S NOT UNNECESSARY IMPACT TO AN EXISTING TREE. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS THAT BEN AND I DISCUSSED IS WHETHER THERE SHOULD BE A REQUIREMENT FOR AN ARBORIST REVIEW AS PART OF THAT, SHOULD THE APPLICANT IN ADDITION TO SUBMITTING, YOU KNOW, INCLUDING IT ON THEIR SITE PLAN, SHOULD THEY NEED TO AT LEAST SUBMIT A LETTER FROM A, A CERTIFIED ARBORIST THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, I'VE LOOKED AT THIS AND DON'T BELIEVE AS PROPOSED, THERE'S, THERE'S GOING TO BE UNNECESSARY RISK TO THE EXISTING TREES, OR I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THIS. 
          AND ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS COULD BE INCLUDED THAT THEN COULD BE INCLUDED AS CONDITIONS OF THE BUILDING PERMIT. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, IS ALSO A FEEDBACK LOOP THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO RECEIVE FROM THE COMMITTEE. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
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SO ENFORCEMENT, THE ENFORCEMENT EDITION LARGELY TRACKS WITH THE EXISTING ORDINANCE, ALTHOUGH THERE IS ADDITION OF SPECIFIC LANGUAGE ABOUT A REPLACEMENT FEE FOR, UM, SITUATIONS WHERE A TREE IS ILLEGALLY REMOVED OR DAMAGED. 
          UM, ONE OF THE THINGS AFTER WE, UM, COMPLETED THIS THAT WE IDENTIFIED, UM, AND DISCUSSED WITH RELIEF IS STILL NEEDING TO BE ADDED, IS ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE SPECIFIC TO ENFORCEMENT OF THE LACK OF PLANNING THE REQUIRED REPLACEMENT. 
          SO WHEN SOMEBODY RECEIVES A TREE REPLACEMENT PERMIT, IT SAYS, YOU SHALL REPLACE WITH THIS TREE WITHIN THIS AMOUNT OF TIME, AND THEY DON'T DO IT. 
          WE NEED AN ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM. 
          UM, SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE STILL NEED TO ADD TO, UM, THE ENFORCEMENT SECTION TO LOOK AT, CAN WE HAVE A, UM, A DAILY FEE FOR EVERYDAY PAST THAT? IS THERE A, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL LOOK AT THAT, BUT RECOGNIZE THAT THAT IS NOT INCLUDED AND NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD FOR ADOPTION. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          UM, SO THAT KIND OF COMPLETES THE SUMMARY OF THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES. 
          I'M HAPPY AT WHEN WE GO TO QUESTIONS TO, IF THERE'S ANY OF THE OTHER TRACK CHANGES THAT THE COMMITTEE WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS. 
          HAPPY TO DO THAT. 
          UH, JUST WANNA KIND OF WRAP UP WITH A FEW THINGS ABOUT THE PROCESS AHEAD. 
          SO OUR NEXT, WE HAVE MET WITH OUR COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT, UM, AND HAVE STARTED DEVISING, UH, AN APPROACH TO, UM, PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT THROUGH THE ADOPTION PROCESS. 
          UM, LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, OUTREACH TO STAKEHOLDERS, WHICH WE HAVE DONE WITH RELIEF THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS. 
          PUTTING INFORMATION INTO THE COMMUNITY BULLETINS, SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS, AND THEN ALSO DIRECT OUTREACH. 
          AND SOME OF THE DIRECT OUTREACH MIGHT ALSO COME AFTER ADOPTION TO PUT, UM, DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT, UM, COMPANIES, UH, YOU KNOW, TREE, TREE REMOVAL, UM, SERVICES ON NOTICE THAT OUR, OUR REGULATIONS HAVE CHANGED. 
          SO NOT NECESSARILY, UM, THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS PROCESS DOESN'T HAPPEN AND SOMEBODY CAN SAY, OH, WELL I DIDN'T KNOW. 
          UM, OR IF THEY ARE GONNA SAY, OH, I DIDN'T KNOW, WE CAN AT LEAST SAY, WELL ACTUALLY WE SENT A, WE SENT A BULLETIN OUT TO, TO YOUR ORGANIZATION AND TO YOUR, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER, UM, STAKEHOLDERS IN THE AREA. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          AND THEN IN TERMS OF NEXT STEPS, WE WILL INCORPORATE ANY ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK FROM THE TREE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, INITIATE SOME OF THAT COMMUNITY OUTREACH EFFORTS, UM, ALONG WITH THE, UM, UPDATES THAT WILL BE TAKEN TO CITY COUNCIL FOR ADOPTION WILL BE MODIFICATIONS TO THE MUNICIPAL CODES, SPECIFICALLY AROUND STREET TREES TO ALIGN WITH, UM, THE CHANGE THAT YOU SEE IN, UM, THE DRAFT TREE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE. 
          SO WE WILL, UM, BE MODIFYING THE CURRENT PROCESS OF HAVING IT GO TO PARKS, PUBLIC WORKS PLANNING AND HAVING THAT SEPARATE PROCESS. 
          AND SO WE WILL CHANGE THAT TO ALIGN WITH, WITH THE TREE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO AGAIN, UH, REALLY TRYING TO IMPRESS UPON THE COMMITTEE AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT MAY BE WATCHING THE CITY'S COMMITMENT TO TREE PRESERVATION. 
          UH, IS THE IMPLEMENTATION, UH, THE CHANGES IN PROCESS, THE, UH, CONSIDERATION OF TREES AS PART OF ALL THE THINGS WE DO THAT IS CITY GOING TO BE CITYWIDE NEEDS TO BE CITYWIDE. 
          IT TOUCHES ON ALL OF OUR DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, WHETHER THAT'S PUBLIC WORKS OR PARKS OR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. 
          IT'S, IT'S PART OF ALL OF OUR, UM, OUR CHARGE. 
          UM, AND WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO REFLECT BACK TO THE OBJECTIVES THAT ARE IN THIS TREE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE AS REALLY HELPING US REMAIN FOCUSED, UM, WHENEVER THERE IS AN INTERPRETATION THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE OR WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW TO CONSIDER A SPECIFIC PROJECT. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED COLLABORATION ON THIS EFFORT. 
          AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. 
          BEN AND I ARE HERE, UM, TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, THINGS THAT MAYBE WE CONSIDERED OR WHY WE DID CERTAIN THINGS OR, UM, WHATEV WHATEVER, WHEREVER THE CONVERSATION TAKES US. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU HEATHER, VERY MUCH. 
          UM, I THINK, UH, WE'LL DO IT IN TWO ROUNDS. 
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WE'RE GONNA OPEN IT UP TO, UH, WELL ACTUALLY NOW WE'RE GONNA OPEN IT UP TO, UM, PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          IS THAT RIGHT? CHAIR FORMBY? I THINK YOU'D WANNA START WITH COMMITTEE MEMBER CLARIFYING QUESTIONS AND THEN GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT THEN OKAY. 
          COMMENTS FROM THE COMMITTEE. 
          THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA OPEN IT UP TO FOUR GENERAL COMMENTS AND, UH, I THINK WE'LL START WITH CLARIFYING QUESTIONS FROM COMMITTEE MEMBERS, CLARIFYING QUESTIONS FROM COMMITTEE MEMBERS. 
          SORRY. 
          UM, UH, AND WE'LL START WITH MARIE MARIANNE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, I WAS WONDERING IF, UH, UNDER SECTION 17 0 8 0 TREE TRIMMING AND PRUNING, UH, IF A SECTION COULD BE ADDED THAT SPECIFICALLY CALLS OUT THE ANSI A 300 PRUNING GUIDELINES AND SAYS THAT THOSE GUIDELINES MUST BE FOLLOWED WHENEVER TREES ARE PRUNED. 
          UM, ALSO I SAW, I THINK THAT SOUNDS GREAT. 
          I WAS WONDERING, I, I SAW IN SOME OTHER DOCUMENTS THAT THERE WAS MENTION OF ARBORIST, HORTICULTURIST, DIFFERENT CATEGORIES OF, UM, LANDSCAPE PROFESSIONALS THAT WERE MENTIONED. 
          HAS THAT NOW JUST BEEN NARROWED DOWN TO ONLY ARBORISTS CAN COMPLETE THESE TREE REPORTS, RE TREE REMOVAL? THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. 
          I THINK THAT IS WHAT IT SAID IS THAT IT HAS TO BE, WE DEFINE ARBORIST PROJECT ARBORIST REQUIREMENTS, UM, AND IT SAYS THEY HAVE TO BE PREPARED BY AN ARBORIST. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, AND THEN ARBORIST IS DEFINED AS A CERTIFIED ARBORIST. 
          GREAT. 
          OKIE DOKE. 
          THANK YOU, ROGER. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          YEAH, A QUESTION. 
          UM, I UNDERSTAND THE SIX INCH DIAMETER, YOU KNOW, CUTOFF POINT, BUT DRIVING DOWN ENGLISH STREET ON THE WAY TO CITY HALL, 85% OF THE STREET, THE TREES IN THE STREETSCAPE ARE BELOW SIX INCHES. 
          SO I'M CONCERNED THAT WE'RE TAKING ALL OF THOSE TREES OFF THE REQUIREMENT OF REPLACEMENT. 
          REPLACEMENT, JUST 'CAUSE THEY'RE MOSTLY CREPE MIDDLE. 
          I THINK, UH, I WOULD SEE YOU PROBABLY TAKING MOST OF CREPE MYRTLE AND PETALUMA OFF THE REPLACEMENT REQUIREMENT. 
          UH, UH, IT'S NOT THAT YOU NEED, YOU NEED A REPLACEMENT PERMIT FOR A TREE, WHICH IS DEFINED AS ANYTHING SIX INCHES OR OVER, OR A STREET TREE. 
          AND A STREET TREE IS ANYTHING THAT'S IN THE RIGHT OF WAY OR A STREET TREE. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          IS THERE A, IS THERE A MAP THAT DEFINES WHERE THE STREET TREES ARE OR IS IT JUST WHATEVER'S IN PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY IS A STREET TREE? I THINK WE DID LOOK AT, UH, DEFINITION, BUT YEAH, ULTIMATELY IT'S, IT'S IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. 
          OKAY. 
          WE SAID A STREET, A TREE LOCATED WITHIN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, TYPICALLY APPLICABLE TO TREES PLANTED BETWEEN A SIDEWALK AND THE ROADWAY, BUT NOT ALWAYS. 
          UM, AND THEN WE ALSO SAID MAY APPLY TO TREES ALONG PRIVATE STREETS, SIMILARLY PLANTED BETWEEN A SIDEWALK AND A ROADWAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, NO, THERE IS NO MAP THAT I'VE EVER SEEN. 
          OKAY. 
          CINDY? THERE'S NO MAP. 
          AS LONG AS THERE'S A CLEAR DEFINITION OF WHAT IS NO, GENERALLY THERE ISN'T A MAP THAT LAYS OUT ALL OF THE CITY RIGHT. 
          OF WAYS, AREAS, I HAVEN'T SEEN ONE. 
          UM, BUT TYPICAL STANDARD IS IT'S BETWEEN THE CURB AND THE SIDEWALK AND NEGATING THAT THERE'S NOT A SIDEWALK. 
          IT'S THE FRONTAGE AREA TO THE FENCE OF THE PRIVATE PROPERTY. 
          IS IT RIGHT OF WAY? I I GUESS ANOTHER WAY OF ASKING THE, IS THERE A MAP THAT SHOWS WHAT TREES THE CITY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING, WHICH IS IN ADDITION TO WHAT ALL THIS TREES ARE IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY THAT ARE PRIVATE RESPONSIBILITY AGO. 
          SO THERE'S NO MAP LAYOUT THAT SHOWS WHAT A CITY OWNED PROPERTY, WHAT CITY, UM, AND PRIVATE OWNED PROPERTY. 
          BUT THERE'S ALSO A CITY ORDINANCE THAT WAS PUT INTO PLACE THAT THE TREES IN THE ROW ARE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PARCEL OWNER. 
          SO LIKE IN PRIVATE ROADS, A HOMEOWNER WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE TREE THAT IS FROM THE CURB TO THE SIDEWALK. 
          SO I THINK THE CLEAR DEFINITION REALLY IS, IS FROM STREET CURB, FROM THE CURB TO THE SIDEWALK NEGATING THAT THERE'S NO SIDEWALK IS GONNA BE THE CURB TO THE FENCE LINE OR THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THE OTHER QUESTION, I MEAN, I LIKE THE IDEA OF A RE TRUE REPLACEMENT PERMIT VERSUS A FREE REMOVAL PERMIT . 
          UM, BUT I WONDER IF IT COULD BE INSTEAD OF 
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A TREE REPLACEMENT ORDINANCE, A TREE ORDINANCE. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE DEALING WITH NOT JUST STREET TREES OR RIGHT AWAY TREES, UM, BUT ALL TREES AS A COMPREHENSIVE, UM, KINDA POLICY, CITY POLICY, TREES, URBAN CANOPY TREES, STREET TREES, PRES AND PRESERVATION OR REPLACEMENT IS A SECTION OF THAT, BUT IT'S NOT THE MAIN CATEGORY. 
          IT'S, IT'S A PIECE OF A BIGGER PICTURE. 
          SO THE OVERALL ORDINANCE IS CALLED, IS A TREE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE, NOT A TREE REPLACEMENT. 
          THAT, THAT NARROWS IT DOWN TO A VERY SMALL AREA. 
          AND I'M, I'M SAYING WHY, WHY CAN'T WE MAKE IT PART OF A BIGGER VISION OF URBAN CANOPY, WHICH WE'RE ALL TRYING TO IMPROVE, AND OVER HERE WE HAVE PRESERVING EXISTING TREES IF IT, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S LIKE IT SHOULD BE PART OF A BIGGER, UM, EXCUSE ME, COMMITTEE MEMBER. 
          MCLIN, CAN YOU SPEAK INTO THE MIC MORE? THEY'RE HAVING TROUBLE HEARING YOU IN THE AUDIENCE. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          UM, ? NO, I'M JUST, I'M TRYING TO HAVE A MORE COMPREHENSIVE VISION THAT THIS IS PART OF A VALID PART OF IT, BUT IT AIN'T THE WHOLE THING. 
          AND SO I DON'T, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE HOW DO WE GET TO THE WHOLE THING THAT MAKES THIS PIECE WORK BETTER? UM, AND I DON'T, YOU KNOW, IS THAT IN THE GENERAL PLAN SOMEWHERE ELSE? AND, UH, THERE'S SOME REFERENCES IN HERE IN TERMS OF WHERE THESE POLICIES APPLY IN THE PARK DEPARTMENT AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND SO ON. 
          IT DOESN'T SEEM VERY CLEAR TO ME WHERE, WHAT'S REALLY GOVERNING OUR, OUR URBAN CANOPY. 
          WELL, I THINK THAT, UH, CINDY AND MAYBE BEN, UH, THE TREE, THE URBAN FOREST MANAGEMENT PLAN IS GOING TO BE A, A BROADER UMBRELLA OF PLAN GENERALLY ABOUT OUR URBAN CANOPY. 
          YES. 
          SO YOU'RE CORRECT. 
          THE URBAN FORESTRY MANAGEMENT PLAN IS KIND OF LIKE THE GUIDING PRINCIPLE AND THE DOCUMENT FOR HOW WE'RE GONNA DEAL WITH OUR TREES AND TAKE CARE OF THEM MOVING FORWARD. 
          SO AS WE FINISH THE TREE INVENTORY AND THAT ANALYSIS IS DONE, THEN THAT FORESTRY MANAGEMENT PLAN WILL BE CREATED. 
          AND THAT I THINK IS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IS THAT OVERARCHING KIND OF GUIDANCE DOCUMENT. 
          I THINK THIS, TODAY WHAT, UM, HEATHER IS BRINGING FORWARD TO US IS IN SPECIFIC TO WHAT IS ALREADY IN THE IZO AND UPDATING WHAT'S THERE, THE RENAMING, AND I, I'LL SPEAK FOR HEATHER, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THE RENAMING OF THE PROCESSES, BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF, UM, AS WE, IT WAS AS CLEAR AS MUD THE PROCESS WAS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THE COMMITTEE COMMENTS, THE PUBLIC COMMENTS WERE LIKE, WE NEED TO MAKE THIS CLEARER SO THAT THE COMMITTEE KNOWS BETTER WHEN THEY'RE REMOVING A TREE, WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE AND WHAT THAT PROCESS IS, WHAT THE PERMIT ACTUALLY IS. 
          SO THIS IS REFERRING TO THE ROAD TREES. 
          AND THEN FOR DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, I THINK THOSE ARE, THOSE TWO. 
          TELL ME IF I'M NOT HITTING THAT CORRECTLY. 
          AND IT, IT GOES BEYOND THAT NOW TOO. 
          IT IS BROADER THAN THAT. 
          IN AN IDEAL WORLD, MAYBE WE WOULD'VE STARTED WITH THE URBAN FOREST MANAGEMENT PLAN, AND THEN THIS WOULD'VE BEEN AN ACTION OUT OF THAT TO DO A TREE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE. 
          BUT THE MOST IMMEDIATE WAS WE HAVE TO CLARIFY OUR REGULATIONS SO THAT WE STOP LOSING TREES. 
          YES. 
          AND SO WE, THIS WAS AN EASIER BITE TO DO THE TREE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE, AND IT MIGHT BE THAT WHEN THE URBAN FOREST MANAGEMENT PLAN IS ADOPTED, THAT IT MIGHT BRING UP OTHER THINGS THAT WE MIGHT NEED TO GO BACK AND, YOU KNOW, AMEND THE TREE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE BECAUSE MAYBE THERE'S THINGS THAT COME UP IN THAT PROCESS THAT WE DON'T HAVE RIGHT NOW, AND WE'LL WANNA INCORPORATE THEM IN. 
          BUT I THINK THE MOST IMMEDIATE IS LET'S TIGHTEN THE REGULATIONS SO THAT WE STOP LOSING TREES. 
          YEAH, I HEAR THAT. 
          I'M NOT, I DON'T MEAN CRITICAL OF THAT AT ALL. 
          ALL ALL I'M TRYING TO DO IS DON'T, LET'S NOT FORGET THE IDEAL WORLD. 
          YEAH. 
          AND MAYBE THIS BECOMES PART OF A BIGGER URBAN MANAGEMENT YEAH. 
          DISCUSSION. 
          GO AHEAD, BILL. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, WELL DONE. 
          LET'S SEE. 
          UH, THERE WAS REFERENCE TO PETA MU MUNICIPAL CODE CHAPTER 13 AND WANTING TO GET THAT RIGHT BEFORE INTRODUCING STREET TREES BACK INTO THE IZO. 
          UH, AND SO, UH, I WAS WONDERING HAS THAT BEEN ACCOMPLISHED? DO WE, DO WE NEED TO LOOK AT CHAPTER 13 IN THE PMC AT ALL, OR HOW DOES THAT WORK? YEAH, WE ARE GOING TO NEED TO AMEND CHAPTER THIR, I THINK IT'S 13.08 MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, BECAUSE IT LAYS OUT A PROCESS TO REVIEW STREET TREE REMOVALS. 
          THAT IS NOT WHAT WE'RE 
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PROPOSING IN HERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT BEFORE WE WENT DOWN THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TREE ADVISORY COMMITTEE WAS SUPPORTIVE OF THIS NEW KIND OF APPROACH TO IT. 
          AND IF, IF WE HAVE YOUR SUPPORT TO, UM, INCLUDE IT IN THIS SECTION, THEN WE WILL GO AND, AND MAKE THOSE AMENDMENTS TO THAT TO TRACK WITH THE PROCESS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE, IN THE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, LET'S SEE. 
          YOU'D MENTIONED IN THE, UH, LEAD UP, LET'S SEE, THE DISCUSSION, I THINK IS THAT, UM, WE TALKED MAYBE I HAD MADE THE, I THINK I'VE MADE THE POINT IN THE PAST AROUND, UH, HOPING TO GET, UH, MORE OF A FOCUS ON REPOPULATING OUR STREET TREES AND THAT, UM, THE REPLANTING EFFORTS ARE NOT PART OF THE CODIFIED ORDINANCE HERE. 
          AND I WAS WONDERING IF THAT WAS PART OF A DISCUSSION AT ALL, OR IS IT JUST NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THE IEO OR IS IT WHAT, LIKE WHERE DOES, OR, OR DOES IT, DOES IT, UH, LIVE IN SOME OTHER MUNICIPALITIES IEO OR LIKE HOW, HOW, AND WE DON'T, NO. 
          OKAY. 
          NOT THAT I'VE EVER SEEN. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT I ALSO THINK THAT WE'RE A LITTLE BIT OF A UNIQUE SITUATION, OUR COMMUNITY, IN THAT WE'VE LOST SO MANY STREET TREES WHERE BECAUSE WE, MAYBE WE DIDN'T HAVE THE PROCESS IN PLACE TO, TO, TO ENFORCE IT OR WHATEVER, UH, WHEREAS OTHER MAYBE COMMUNITIES AREN'T, AREN'T MISSING AS MANY STREET TREES. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, WELL, I MEAN, WE'RE TRYING TO PUT A BETTER PROCESS IN PLACE TO ENFORCE IT. 
          AND I THINK A LOT OF THAT IS JUST GONNA BE LIKE THE ATTITUDE OF, OF CODE ENFORCEMENT. 
          ARE WE REALLY GONNA GO AFTER PEOPLE THAT CUT DOWN TREES? I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF LANGUAGE WE WOULD PUT IN THIS ORDINANCE THAT WOULD LIKE PROMOTE FILLING IN EMPTY WELLS. 
          YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S JUST REALLY GONNA BE MAYBE RELIEF PROGRAMS. AND DEFINITELY IT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT'S ADDRESSED IN THE URBAN FOREST MANAGEMENT PLAN. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT GONNA BE LIKE A CODIFIED THING OR I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT AND I CAN'T REALLY IMAGINE WHAT IT WOULD BE EITHER. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT MYSELF. 
          I MEAN, I THINK AS A PROPERTY OWNER, WE, WE'VE GOTTEN SOME OF US LETTERS SAYING, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO FIX YOUR SIDEWALKS. 
          YOU HAVE TO PREPARE YOUR, YOU KNOW, CRACKED SIDEWALKS OR WHATEVER IT IS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THIS, I WOULD THINK THAT THE SAME COULD HOLD TRUE OF, YOU KNOW, A MISSING TREE, UH, OR MISSING OR, OR COMPLETELY EMPTY, UH, PLANTER STRIP. 
          OH, I LOVE THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          I BEEN TEMP CELL. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UH, YEAH. 
          SO I'M JUST, UH, STILL THINKING ABOUT IT. 
          BUT, UM, AND I THINK WE CAN DO THOSE THINGS. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING IN THIS OR I, I DON'T THINK THIS ORDINANCE IS THE APPROPRIATE PLACE TO DO THAT, BUT I THINK YOU'LL TALK, THERE'LL BE A LOT OF TALK IN THE URBAN FOREST MANAGEMENT PLAN. 
          I ALSO THINK THERE IS SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR EDUCATION. 
          WE'VE TALKED ABOUT COULD WE, UM, FIND THE FUNDS TO DO SOME SORT OF OUTREACH TO PEOPLE ABOUT REPLANTING THEIR STREET TREES AND, YOU KNOW, FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE, BUT WE'VE GOT, WHETHER WE'VE GOT TREES OR WE'VE GOT FUNDS OR SOMETHING MM-HMM. 
           TO KIND OF INCENTIVIZE IT. 
          SO THERE'S LOTS OF THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. 
          YEAH. 
          WE, WE CAN, AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO LOOK AT DOING, PARTNERING WITH, YOU KNOW, STAKEHOLDERS, UM, YEAH. 
          AND AGREED. 
          AGREED. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I COULD SEE THAT RELIEF IS DOING THAT RIGHT NOW. 
          YOU KNOW, TREES ARE AVAILABLE FOR FOLKS AND HOPE THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF SIGNUPS AND THERE'S, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO YEAH. 
          TO KEEP DOING THAT. 
          I JUST WANT TO FIGHT FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT I'VE BEEN PART OF FOR 15 YEARS NOW AND SEEN A LOT OF REDUCTION IN OUR STREET TREE CANOPY AND KIND OF THE, YOU KNOW, GRUMBLED TO MYSELF AND MY FRIENDS AND FOR ENOUGH TIME THAT I EVENTUALLY GOT ON THIS COMMITTEE TO TRY TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND FIGHT FOR OUR STREET TREES. 
          AND, AND, UH, SO I JUST DON'T WANNA LET THIS OPPORTUNITY PASS BECAUSE, UH, IT'S A, IT'S AN IMPORTANT OPPORTUNITY. 
          AND, UH, AND I, AND I BELIEVE IN, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR THIRD PARTIES OR NONPROFITS THAT WE WILL MAKE AN IMPACT ON THEIR, BUT, BUT IT'D BE NICE IF WE COULD POINT TO SOMEWHERE IN, IN A CODE OR AN ORDINANCE TO SAY, NO, IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST A, A PROPERTY OWNER'S RIGHT. 
          TO DECIDE WHAT HAPPENS IN THEIR PLANTER STRIP. 
          THAT THERE'S A COMMUNITY BENEFIT TO HAVING A TREE AND A PLANTER STRIP. 
          AND 
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IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT GONNA BE UP TO THEM IF EVENTUALLY THE CITY COULD, THERE COULD BE A, A, A TREE CZAR THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, HERE YOU GO, HERE'S YOUR TREE AND YEAH. 
          YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO MAINTAIN IT. 
          I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S MY VISION ANYWAY. 
          AND I, THAT'S, THAT'S RELIEF'S VISION IS CERTAINLY TO GET AN URBAN FORESTRY DEPARTMENT IN THE CITY. 
          AND MY VISION IS TO GET A PARCEL TAX PASSED THAT WILL ALLOW THE CITY TO TAKE OVER MAINTENANCE OF STREET TREES. 
          AND THEN IT'S NOT UP TO THE PROPERTY OWNER, THE STREET OR THE CITY CAN JUST PLANT TREES IN ALL THOSE EMPTY WELLS. 
          AND THAT'LL JUST BE A FUNCTION OF THE URBAN FORESTRY DEPARTMENT. 
          THAT'S AWESOME. 
          SO WE'LL SEE IF WHAT HAPPENS. 
          I DON'T KNOW, BUT WE'RE, I LIKE YOU. 
          I, I LIKE WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THAT ONE. 
          YEAH. 
          . 
          I THINK THAT'S IT FOR NOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, UH, LET'S, I SEE MOST OF MY QUESTIONS I THINK COULD BE MORE STATED IN, UH, GENERAL COMMENT. 
          UM, BUT I DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, UH, IN 17.070 IN CONSIDERATIONS FOR REPLACEMENT, UM, THE TREE SIZE, IS THERE A TREE SIZE RATIO? SO, UH, AS AN EXAMPLE, IF A HUNDRED YEAR OLD SYCAMORE CAME OUT, UM, DOES THE HOMEOWNER HAVE THE RIGHT TO PLANT A CRATE MYRTLE THERE, ? UM, AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF THERE'S ANY LANGUAGE THAT WOULD PREVENT SUCH A THING, UM, OR ANY, ANY SORT OF GUIDELINES THAT WOULD PREVENT SUCH A THING OR OVERSIGHT. 
          UH, THAT'S GONNA BE MY UNDERSTANDING OF HOW WE'RE GONNA STRUCTURE THAT, IS IT'S GONNA BE ADDRESSED IN THE APPLICATION FOR THE TREE REPLACEMENT PERMIT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , WHICH IS GONNA HAVE TO STATE WHAT, EXCUSE ME, BEN, CAN YOU SPEAK CLOSER TO THE MIC? HE CAN'T HEAR YOU IN THE AUDIENCE. 
          THANKS. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT'S GONNA BE ADDRESSED IN THE TREE REPLACEMENT PERMIT APPLICATION WHERE YOU STATE WHAT THE REPLACEMENT SPECIES IS GONNA BE, UHHUH  THAT'S EITHER APPROVED OR DENIED, AND THAT'S GONNA BE REVIEWED BY THE CITY ARBORIST OR URBAN FOREST OR WHOEVER WE'VE GOT AT THE TIME. 
          BUT YEAH, NO, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE REPLACING BIG SYCAMORES WITH CRATE MYRTLES. 
          OKAY. 
          , BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I SEE HAPPENING NOW. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT IT CAN, IT'S CLEAR. 
          UM, AND, UH, LET'S JUST SEE, UM, I MEAN, WE COULD ADD SOME LANGUAGE TO THAT EFFECT THAT, THAT GENERALLY, SO, SO THAT IT'S CODIFIED. 
          LIKE WE'RE LOOKING TO REPLACE LARGE TREES WITH LARGE TREES WHERE APPROPRIATE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I THINK I, YOU KNOW, I THINK ALSO, UH, GROWTH HABITS AND ALL OF THAT STUFF, SO IF YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, CERTAINLY I'VE BEEN THROWING CRATE MYRTLE UNDER THE BUS, WHICH I'M HAPPY TO DO, BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE JUST GONNA SIT THERE FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS TOO. 
          SO, UM, ANYWAY, SO, AND IT'S, AND LIKE A SYCAMORE, YOU KNOW, WOULD GROW LIKE A WEED. 
          SO, UM, UH, I THINK, OH, AND THEN ALSO ON THE ENFORCEMENT, UM, THE WILL THAT BE, IS THERE ANY LANGUAGE THAT, WHERE THAT'LL MAKE THAT RETROACTIVE? SO LET'S SAY GOING BACK 10 YEARS, WHICH WE, I'M SURE WE 15 YEARS, WHICH WE, WE HAVE RECORDS OF TREE REMOVAL PERMITS. 
          UM, IS THERE ANYTHING SORT OF IN THERE THAT, THAT MIGHT MAKE IT RETROACTIVE TO GO BACK AND SORT OF SAY, YOU TOOK THIS TREE OUT 15 YEARS AGO AND THERE'S STILL NO TREE THERE? UM, WE, I DON'T KNOW IN TERMS OF FINES, UM, IF WE COULD GO BACK AND SAY, HEY, 10 YEARS AGO YOU TOOK A TREE OUT. 
          WELL, I, YES, I AGREE. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT I THINK WE COULD DO A TARGETED OUTREACH EFFORT TO SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW THIS MM-HMM , YOU'VE GOT SPACE FOR STREET TREES THERE, YOU NEED TO PLANT A STREET TREE. 
          AND WHAT WOULD BE NICE TO GO WITH THAT OR AN ENCOURAGING IS TO HAVE SOME SORT OF INCENTIVES WHERE IT'S, WE'VE GOT A PROGRAM BY NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE'RE GONNA BE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, OR WE'VE GOT A TREE, OR WE'VE GOT FUNDS OR WE'VE GOT SOMETHING. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I, AND I THINK A LOT OF THAT IS HAPPENING IN TOWN. 
          MY SPECIFICALLY THOUGH, I MEAN, I THINK, I WOULD IMAGINE IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU TOOK OUT A TREE IN THE LAST 10 YEARS WITH THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT AND HADN'T REPLACED IT, YOU COULD SORT OF GO ON, THE CITY COULD GO ON NOTICE AND SAY, OKAY, YOU'VE BEEN NOTIFIED. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN THAT, THAT PERMIT OR THAT FINE PROCESS COULD START, YOU KNOW, FROM THERE. 
          SO, AND I THINK, YEAH, I JUST THINK THERE'S NOT MANY TREE REMOVAL PERMITS IN THE LAST 10 YEARS. 
          'CAUSE PEOPLE WEREN'T GETTING, IS THAT RIGHT? FOR ANYTHING? I MEAN, YOU WOULD ONLY NEED 'EM FOR THE ENC ENCROACH, SORRY, ENCROACHMENT PERMITS. 
          ENCROACHMENT PERMITS, ENCROACHMENT PERMIT. 
          IS IT JUST AN ENCROACHMENT PERMIT WAS ALL PEOPLE HAD TO HAVE? YEAH. 
          SO TO REMOVE A STREET TREE, CURRENTLY IT'S A ENCROACHMENT PERMIT. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT THE ENCROACHMENT 
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PERMITS ARE SUPPOSED TO IDENTIFY A REPLACEMENT TREE. 
          OH, WELL THERE YOU GO. 
          SO WE COULD LOOK BACK AT, AT OUR RECORDS, UM, AND THAT COULD BE AN EFFORT. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, TO THEM BACK AND LOOK AT, I THINK THAT WOULD GET, THAT WOULD GET A GOOD NUMBER OF TREES PLANTED OR ADD TO ADD TO A, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER KITTY FUND STARTS TO EXIST FOR THESE FINES TO GO INTO. 
          UM, WHICH I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF SORT OF GATHERING THOSE FINES TO GO BACK INTO OUR URBAN CANOPY. 
          UM, AND THEN I GUESS THE LAST, UH, WILL THERE BE ANY SORT OF VETTING PROCESS FOR ARBORISTS OR PEOPLE DOING MAINTENANCE OF STREET TREES? I MEAN, I, I I WOULD THERE, DOES IT HAVE TO BE A LICENSED ARBORIST TO GO IN AND, AND PRUNE A STREET TREE? OR CAN IT JUST BE A TREE COMPANY WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT BE LICENSED? WELL, WE DON'T REQUIRE A PERMIT RIGHT NOW TO PRUNE THE TREES. 
          SO THERE'S NOT REALLY ANY CONTROL OF THAT. 
          SO MIGHT BE CONSIDER THAT THIS IS A TREE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE AND WE, WE SEE LOTS OF TREES BEING TOP AND PRUNED BADLY OR, OR PUNE TO THE POINT WHERE TOP PUNE BADLY WOULD FIT UNDER THE DEFINITION OF TREE REMOVAL. 
          AND THEY WOULD NEED A PERMIT FOR THAT ROUTINE PRUNING THAT IS DONE ACCORDING TO ANSI STANDARDS, WHICH WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AN UPDATE THAT THANKS FOR POINTING IT OUT. 
          DIDN'T MAKE IT IN, UM, DOESN'T REQUIRE A PERMIT MIGHT, SO IF, IF SOMEONE TOPS A TREE, IT'S GONNA BE RELYING ON JUST LIKE IF SOMEONE REMOVES A TREE, SOMEONE NOTIFYING THE TREE POLICE. 
          SO I MIGHT WE ADD A PERMIT TO PRUNE YOUR STREET TREE RIGHT OF WAY TREE. 
          UM, I, LET ME LOOK INTO THAT. 
          'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE PRUNING YOUR STREET TREE. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU MIGHT ALREADY NEED AN ENCROACHMENT PERMIT BECAUSE YOU ARE OUT. 
          OH, YOU'RE THE ENCROACHMENT PERMIT. 
          YEAH, FOR SURE. 
          WORKING IN THE, SO IF YOU'RE GETTING AN ENCROACHMENT PERMIT TO PRUNE, COULD WE ADD A REQUIREMENT TO THAT? SO I'LL, I'LL LOOK INTO THAT. 
          OVERSEE. 
          OR THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE VETTED SOMEHOW OR IT'S, YOU KNOW. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S IT, KAREN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. 
          UM, COULD YOU, UM, THIS ONE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO AN SIR RIGHT NOW IN THE, UM, INTEREST OF TIME. 
          UM, BUT I'M TRYING TO RECALL, AND I'D LIKE US ALL TO THINK ABOUT, UM, THE FEEDBACK THAT'S OBTAINED BY, UM, ARE WE CONSIDERING THAT, ARE WE WEIGHTING THE FEEDBACK? LIKE IF SOMEBODY SAYS, OH, I DON'T WANT ANY FEES FOR A PERMIT, OR I THINK IT SHOULD BE SIX INCHES AND NOT FOUR INCHES, DOES THAT ONE VOICE GET EQUAL WEIGHT TO FIVE OTHER VOICES IN TERMS OF FEEDBACK OR NOT? I MEAN, AT ONE, AT SOME POINT I'D LIKE TO KIND OF HAVE IT, UM, WEIGHTED BY, UM, BY EXPERT AMOUNT OF RESPONSE. 
          SO I DON'T NEED A RESPONSE FOR THAT. 
          UM, SO CAN YOU PUT UNDER 1706, OH I, I THINK IT'S THE DEVELOPMENT SECTION THAT SAYS THE PERMIT FOR, I GUESS IT'S REMOVAL OR REPLACEMENT IS ONE YEAR, UNLESS PART OF ENTITLEMENT FOR DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO HOW, IF A PROJECT GETS APPROVED BUT THEY HAVEN'T BROKEN GROUND, BUT THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF REDWOODS, MATURE OAK TREES, HOW MANY YEARS DOES THAT PROJECT GET TO GO ON AFTER APPROVAL TO MAYBE CUT DOWN TREES THAT ARE UNDER SIX INCHES? 'CAUSE I'M THINKING THAT GOES ON FOR 10 YEARS. 
          THAT SIX INCH TREE CAN GROW UP TO BE SOMETHING BETTER. 
          SO HOW LONG IS THIS EXPIRATION DATE FOR APPROVED DEVELOPMENTS? SO ALL OF OUR, UM, DEVELOP OUR SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW. 
          UM, SO THAT'S PROBABLY THE MOST LIKELY PERMIT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO THAT'S, YOU NEED IT TO BUILD AN APARTMENT BUILDING OR TO, YOU KNOW, THAT HAS A ONE YEAR EXPIRATION FOR HOUSING PROJECTS. 
          THEY CAN REQUEST AN EXTENDED EXPIRATION UP TO FOUR YEARS. 
          AND SOME OF THAT WAS AROUND, YOU KNOW, FINANCING FOR HOUSING PROJECTS. 
          AND SO WE, UH, SEVERAL YEARS AGO IT WAS THE CITY EXPANDED THAT FOR HOUSING PROJECTS TO FOUR YEARS. 
          SO THAT, THOSE ARE KIND OF THE, THE STANDARD AND THE EXTENDED, UM, IS FOUR YEARS NOW THAT IS ALSO TO SUBMIT A BUILDING PERMIT. 
          SO, UM, 
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ONCE YOU SUBMIT A BUILDING PERMIT TO BUILD THE PROJECT, IT, IT PAUSES THAT EXPIRATION. 
          SO THEN YOU GO THROUGH A BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS AND THAT MIGHT ADD SOME MORE TIME. 
          OR IF YOU'RE DOING IT IN PHASES AND YOU'RE DOING ONE BUILDING ON THIS SECTION AND YOU START WITH THAT ONE AND SO YOU DON'T CUT THE TREES ON ANOTHER SECTION, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME VARIATION THERE. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? OKAY. 
          SO ONCE A PROJECT'S APPROVED, THEN IT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH SPARK. 
          BUT IF IT'S JUST APPROVED AND IT'S LIKE A WHOLE FORESTED AREA, UM, IS THERE ANY TIMELINE EXPIRATION THERE EVEN, BECAUSE WHEN OFTEN THINGS GET APPROVED AND YOU'VE GOT A LITTLE DIAGRAM OF IT, LIKE THE ONE ON EAST WASHINGTON, WE, IT'S GOT SOME TREES THERE. 
          HOW LONG IS THAT LOCK GONNA SIT VACANT? RIGHT. 
          AND ARE THOSE TREES GONNA GET BIGGER, BIGGER, BIGGER AND THEN THEY, THEY STILL HAVE APPROVAL TO CUT THEM DOWN? NO. 
          WELL, NO. 
          ONCE THEY'RE, ONCE THEIR SPAR APPLICA, YOU KNOW, ONCE THEIR SPAR APPROVAL EXPIRES, THEN THEY NO LONGER HAVE THAT APPROVAL. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          AND THEN CAN YOU PLEASE CLARIFY, UM, I SEE THAT WE DEFAULT TO THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, WHICH I KNOW YOU'LL RECALL THAT WE'VE MENTIONED THAT ALL OF THE CITIES THAT WE TALK WITH, THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR IS THE OWNER OF THE ULTIMATE AUTHORITY FOR NON-DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS. 
          SO JUST PARK STREET TREES, CITY PROPERTY, BUT THEN THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR DEVELOPMENT RELATED. 
          CAN YOU PLEASE CAN CLARIFY IF WE'RE SLICING AND DICING OR IF THE TOP AUTHORITY PERSON, THE DIRECTOR AS IN CHAPTER, WHATEVER IT'S REFERRED TO, IS THAT COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT? YEAH. 
          SO IN, IN THIS ORDINANCE, THE, UM, THE APPROVAL AUTHORITY FOR PROJECTS THAT AREN'T RELATED TO DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO WHEN, UM, A, A TREE REPLACEMENT PERMIT IS REQUESTED AS PART OF A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, IT WOULD BE WHATEVER BODY HAS THE DISCRETION OVER THAT LARGER PROJECT. 
          SO OFTENTIMES THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD BE THE ONES MAKING DECISIONS ABOUT THOSE TREE REPLACEMENT PERMITS. 
          BUT THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE THE AUTHORITY FOR PROJECTS THAT REQUEST A TRUE NO REQUEST, A TREE REPLACEMENT PERMIT NOT ASSOCIATED WITH A LARGER DEVELOPMENT. 
          THANKS. 
          AND, AND I WOULD ADD THAT, THAT THE INTENT IS TO UPDATE THAT TO THE CITY URBAN FOREST OR WHENEVER THE URBAN FORESTRY DEPARTMENT GETS CREATED, WHICH IS THE ULTIMATE, THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS TO CREATE AN URBAN FORESTRY DEPARTMENT WITH AN URBAN FORESTER AS THE HEAD, AND THEN ALL OF THAT AUTHORITY WOULD TRANSFER TO THEM. 
          AND WE COULD MAYBE PUT SOME LANGUAGE TO THAT EFFECT IN THERE. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A THING OR NOT. 
          IT'S REALLY AWKWARD TO REFERENCE A DEPARTMENT OR A POSITION THAT DOESN'T EXIST. 
          SO IF AT THE TIME THE CITY CREATES, OR WHEN THE CITY CREATES AN URBAN FORESTRY DEPARTMENT AND IDENTIFIES WHAT THE, WHAT THE AUTHORITY, WHAT THE REVIEW, WHAT THE, UM, YOU KNOW, CHARGE IS OF THAT DEPARTMENT, THEN THIS COULD BE CHANGED TO MAKE THAT REFERENCE OVER TO THAT POSITION. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          AND I'LL JUST PUT A PLUG IN 'CAUSE WE'RE DOING WORK WITH PROPERTY OWNERS AND THEY'RE INTERFACING WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT RIGHT NOW AND WE'RE ALSO CRAFTING A JOB DESCRIPTION FOR TWO PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTORS OUT OF THE FORMER ONE THAT CHRISTOPHER BOLT HA HAD. 
          AND IF WE CAN HAVE A PLACEHOLDER IN THAT, I THINK THAT WOULD SET US UP NICELY IN TERMS OF LY TRYING, STARTING TO THINK ABOUT THE TRANSFORMATION TO GET AHEAD OF IT. 
          AND THEN WHEN IT STARTS CASCADING OUT OF THAT DIRECTORSHIP JOB DESCRIPTION, THAT THERE IS A PLACEHOLDER IN THERE THAT HE KNOWS HE'S GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE URBAN FORESTRY MANAGEMENT PROGRAM OVERSIGHT FOR WHATEVER MANAGER GETS HIRED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GO AHEAD DARREN. 
          ALRIGHT, I'LL TRY TO BE PRETTY QUICK IN THE INTEREST OF TIME. 
          UH, THE FIRST ONE IN THE EXEMPTION SECTION, WHEN WE HAVE, UH, SOMEONE APPLYING OR SOMEONE SUBMITTING AN EXEMPTION, THEY WANNA REMOVAL, BUT THEY'RE EXEMPT, IS THERE ANY FEE INVOLVED? WOULD IT BE THE SAME PERMIT AS PROBABLY THE STANDARD PERMIT? YOU WOULD JUST CHECK OFF AN EXEMPTION BOX? WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? N NO, THEY WOULDN'T GET A PERMIT AT ALL. 
          IF IT'S EXEMPT, IT'S EXEMPT AND THEY JUST REMOVE IT. 
          AND THEN 
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IF SOMEONE IS CONCERNED AND THINKS THAT MAYBE A TREE WAS REMOVED THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN BECAUSE IT WASN'T EXEMPT, THEY CAN CONTACT THE CITY AND THAT'S WHEN CODE ENFORCEMENT GETS INVOLVED. 
          YOU GO BACK, YOU GO OUT AND LOOK AT THE STUMP, YOU LOOK AT WHATEVER IMAGES YOU CAN FIND. 
          SO THOSE EXEMPTIONS SHOULD, SHOULD BE PRETTY EASY TO VERIFY AFTER THE FACT IF THE TREE MET THE EXEMPTION OR NOT, BY LOOKING AT THE STUMP AND WHERE IT'S LOCATED. 
          BUT YEAH, IT'S NO, NO CONTACT WITH THE CITY AT ALL IF THE TREE IS EXEMPT, WHICH IS ANOTHER REASON TO LIKE LIMIT THAT LIST OF EXEMPT SPECIES. 
          GOT IT. 
          SO WE DON'T NECESSARILY GET A NOTICE OF SOMEONE TAKING ONE DOWN IF THEY HAVE AN EXEMPTION. 
          PUBLIC UTILITY PROTECT OR EXCUSE ME. 
          UH, IN THAT SAME EMERGENCY SITUATIONS AREA, IT SAYS WHERE A TREE POSES AN IMMINENT THREAT TO PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          DO WE ANTICIPATE ANY, UM, CONFLICTS WITH THE SECTION ABOUT SIDEWALK REPAIR? BECAUSE WE TALK ABOUT, HEY, WE NEED TO ASSESS IF THERE'S NO OTHER SOLUTION. 
          DOES SIDEWALK REPAIR KIND OF BLEED INTO THREAT TO PUBLIC SAFETY? COULD SOMEONE MAKE THAT ARGUMENT? IS THERE A THRESHOLD? IS THAT SOMETHING WE'VE THOUGHT ABOUT? IF THAT'S A LONGER ANSWER, WE CAN KIND OF TABLE THAT, BUT NO, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'VE THOUGHT ABOUT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I POINT OUT THAT POTENTIAL CONFLICT, UM, AND THEN PUBLIC UTILITY PROTECTION, IT SOUNDS LIKE PG E WON'T HAVE TO APPLY FOR A TREE REPLACEMENT PERMIT BASED ON THIS, BUT I WOULD GUESS THEY WOULD STILL NEED AN ENCROACHMENT PERMIT, BUT THEN I KNOW ENCROACHMENT THEY NEED A TREE REPLACEMENT PERMIT. 
          SO JUST AGAIN, UM, HAVE WE LOOKED AT THAT? AM I SEEING SOMETHING THAT'S NOT A CONFLICT OR IS THAT SOMETHING WE SHOULD LOOK AT? I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT. 
          I WILL ALSO SAY THAT THE CITY IS WORKING WITH PG E RIGHT NOW TO DISCUSS EXPECTATIONS AND COMMUNICATION ON, ON THIS TOPIC. 
          OKAY. 
          I KNOW PG E IS A WHOLE OTHER YEAH. 
          BALL OF WAX, BUT I JUST THOUGHT I'D I'D POINT THAT OUT. 
          UM, THEN PROXIMITY TO FOUNDATION, YOU TALKED ABOUT THIS ONE, UH, EXISTING RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE. 
          DOES THAT IMPLY CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY OR IS THAT A MUCH BROADER DEFINITION WHEN WE SAY EXISTING RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE? THAT REALLY WAS TO MEAN YOU, YOU THE HOUSE OR THE DUPLEX OR THE, OKAY. 
          GOT IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN I'M GONNA SKIP OVER SOME OF MY COMMENTARY IN CASE WE DON'T GET TO IT. 
          I'LL SAY THAT I THINK THERE ARE SOME DEFINITIONS I'LL BE SENDING IN OBVIOUSLY MY NOTES, BUT I THINK THERE ARE SOME DEFINITIONS WITH THINGS LIKE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE THAT WE COULD PROBABLY ADD. 
          YEAH, I JUST DID THAT . 
          OKAY, PERFECT. 
          UM, AND THEN I TALKED ABOUT THE PUBLIC SAFETY, OH, UH, PLANTING STANDARDS. 
          SO THIS IS UNDER, UH, 17.070. 
          UH, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT NUMBER E STREET TREES, I'M ASSUMING ADOPTED TREE PLANTING STANDARDS WOULD BE SOMETHING IN THE UFMP OR A PUBLIC WORKS. 
          DO WE KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD BE? PUBLIC WORKS STANDARD. 
          MAYBE WE HAVE TREE PLANTING STANDARDS IN EXISTENCE THAT ARE, THAT ARE GOOD. 
          SO I DON'T, I HAVE NO INTENTION OF CHANGING THOSE. 
          I, I'D LIKE TO MAKE THEM EASIER TO FIND  THAT YOU'VE, I'M ILLUSTRATING THAT POINT. 
          IS THAT A PUBLIC WORKS THING OR IS THAT SOMETHING IN THE TREE TECHNICAL MANUAL OR IT MAY BE IN THE TREE TECHNICAL MANUAL. 
          I, EVERY TIME I'VE NEEDED TO FIND IT, IT'S BEEN A JOURNEY, BUT IT'S A JOURNEY THAT, LIKE I HAVE A LEG UP BECAUSE I HAVE WHAT IT'S CALLED IN OLD EMAILS. 
          AND THAT'S, I THINK WHAT I TYPICALLY END UP DOING IS LIKE SEARCHING THROUGH MY EMAIL TO TRY AND FIND WHAT IT'S CALLED AND THEN DO LIKE THE RIGHT GOOGLE AND, YEAH, IT'S NOT EASY TO FIND. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT IT IS GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          FANTASTIC. 
          UM, SO MAYBE MAKING THAT EASIER TO FIND. 
          AND THEN, UH, FOR MAINTENANCE UNDER STREET TREES, THAT'S PART H PROPERTY OWNER, SHE'LL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR APPROPRIATELY MAINTAINING. 
          UH, IS IT WORTH CALLING OUT THE TREE TECHNICAL MANUAL THERE? UM, IS THERE ANY OTHER, I, I WOULD GUESS THAT WOULD BE THE DOCUMENT, BUT ANY OTHER DOCUMENT THAT PROVIDES REALLY GOOD GUIDANCE. 
          'CAUSE IF WE CAN GIVE PROPERTY OWNERS REALLY GOOD GUIDANCE AT THE START, WE PREVENT SIDEWALK CONFLICTS LATER. 
          SLATER. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN THE PLANTING STANDARDS ARE GREAT FOR THAT. 
          THAT'S PROBABLY THE BEST THING. 
          BUT THEN YEAH, REFERENCING THE ANSI STANDARDS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP EARLIER, AND I THINK THAT IS A GOOD PLACE TO PUT IN A CALL OUT FOR THE TREE TECHNICAL MANUAL. 
          'CAUSE JOHN PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO IT AND IT DOESN'T REALLY GET POINTED OUT AT ALL. 
          . 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          UH, I LOVE HEARING THAT. 
          AND THEN JUST JUMPING DOWN A COUPLE LINES TO 17.08, UM, JUST THAT PRUNING INVOLVING MORE THAN 25% OF GROUND MASS PER YEAR. 
          I JUST WONDERED IF WE THOUGHT THERE MIGHT BE CONFLICTS WITH ENFORCING THAT OR IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO, I I WOULD GUESS THAT WOULD BE A JUDGMENT THING. 
          WE RELY ON SOMEONE TO REPORT IF THEY FELT LIKE THAT WAS IN VIOLATION OR SOMETHING. 
          IS THAT THE PATH RIGHT NOW? OKAY. 
          UH, THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN, 
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OH, AND THEN FOR MINISTERIAL, UH, PERMITS, AND THIS MAY BE A VERY NACENT QUESTION, BUT ARE THEY EXEMPT TO A LOT OF THESE PRES, THIS OTHER PRESERVATION LANGUAGE? UM, IS ALL OF THAT INCLUDED IMPLICITLY? IT SEEMED LIKE THE SIMPLIFIED KIND OF THREE STEPS THERE WERE ALL WE COULD DO, AND THEN MAYBE WE DEFER TO THE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR ANY TREE GUIDANCE. 
          WHAT'S THAT RELATIONSHIP LIKE? SO THE MINISTERIAL PERMITS, IT'S, THAT'S AN EXAMPLE WHERE THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING TO REMOVE A TREE. 
          UM, AND THEY'RE NOT GOING THROUGH ANY DISCRETIONARY PROCESS LIKE, UM, SO I DON'T SEE THAT. 
          I THINK A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT THAT MIGHT BE LIKE SB 35 OR SOMETHING. 
          SO IT'S A MINISTERIAL PROJECT, BUT IT'S STILL A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT. 
          MM-HMM. 
           WOULD THEN WE COULD CITE TO THE OBJECTIVES DESIGN STANDARDS, AND I BELIEVE THERE WAS TREE REFERENCES IN THE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS. 
          SO THIS SECTION, UM, 17.00 IS MORE RELATED TO A BUILDING PERMIT, UM, TO, OR ADDING AN A DU ONTO YOUR PROPERTY. 
          SO THERE'S, THE ONLY PERMIT YOU'RE GETTING IS A BUILDING PERMIT, UH, A MINISTERIAL DEVELOPMENT PROJECT LIKE AN SB 35. 
          THEY STILL GET AN APPROVAL LETTER, EVEN THOUGH IT'S MINISTERIAL, THEY STILL GET SOMETHING THAT SAYS, YOUR PROJECT HAS BEEN APPROVED CONSISTENT WITH SUCH AND SUCH AND SUCH AND SUCH, AND HERE'S THE CONDITIONS. 
          SO IF THEY WERE REMOVING TREES, WOULD THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW WHAT'S LAID OUT HERE? YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE. 
          THANK YOU FOR TEAS THAT OUT. 
          SO SOME CODES WILL SAY THAT THE, LIKE A BUILDING PERMIT TAKES THE PLACE OF A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT AND I DON'T BELIEVE OURS DOES. 
          SO YEAH, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, IF YOU'RE REMOVING A TREE, YOU NEED A PERMIT FOR IT. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE. 
          TERRIFIC. 
          AND THEN I'M GUESSING, UH, PERMITTING COSTS, THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER DISCUSSION WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WHAT THE PERMIT LOOKS LIKE AND FEE STRUCTURES AND EVERYTHING. 
          YEP. 
          AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WHEN IT GOES TO THE, UM, CITY COUNCIL, WE WILL GO WITH A PROPOSAL FOR THE COST OF THAT TO RECOVER THE COST AND MAKING SURE THAT IT ALLOWS, UH, THE CITY TO HAVE THE CONSULTING ARBORIST DO THOSE, DO THOSE SITE VISITS AS NEEDED. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT DISCUSSION. 
          SO WE WILL BE LOOKING AT THE COST FOR THAT. 
          AND THERE WAS A, A PUBLIC COMMENT THAT SAID THE PERMIT SHOULD BE FREE, BUT WE HAVE TO, THE CITY NEEDS TO HAVE A WAY TO PAY FOR THE COSTS TO DO IT. 
          AND ESPECIALLY TO HAVE, WHETHER IT'S A STAFF MEMBER OR A, A CONSULTING ARBORIST, WE NEED TO GENERATE THE FUNDS TO PAY FOR THAT. 
          AND THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT YOUR PERMIT FEES ARE. 
          IS THAT COST? OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NOW I'M GONNA OPEN IT UP FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          MR. LITTLE  MUST BE ME. 
          I'M CHARLES LITTLE, I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF RELIEF PETALUMA. 
          AND FIRST OF ALL, THANKS TO THE COMMITTEE FOR TAKING THE TIME AND THE EXPERTISE THAT YOU BRING TO THIS VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE. 
          I MEAN, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR THIS TOWN. 
          AND THEN HEATHER AND BEN, YOU PUT YOU, WE, OUR OUR, YOU'VE SEEN THE, UH, PERHAPS YOU'VE SEEN OR YOU'LL GET THE, UH, WRITTEN COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE PRESENTED BASED ON THE LATEST, UH, VERSION. 
          AND THESE GUYS HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB. 
          IT'S REALLY MOVING FORWARD, THIS PROCESS AND THE UPDATE IS A GREAT IMPROVEMENT OVER WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE THERE, YOU KNOW, THE LITTLE THINGS HERE AS YOU'RE POINTING OUT. 
          BUT THIS IS A, IT'S A REALLY GOOD PIECE OF WORK. 
          UM, I WANTED TO POINT OUT A COUPLE OF THINGS HERE. 
          UM, I WOULD SAY THAT IF I DIDN'T KNOW THAT, UH, THE, THE ISSUE OF ONE TREE VERSUS THREE INCHES DBH WAS AN ISSUE AND WHETHER THAT WAS GOING TO BE QUESTIONED, I, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, I THINK WE WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE IT AT THAT, WHERE WE WANT TO DISCOURAGE REMOVING THE TREES. 
          AND THAT IS A WAY TO DO THAT, IS TO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT, UM, UH, INVESTMENT IN, UH, REPLACING THE TREE. 
          ALTHOUGH, AS YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, A BUNCH OF LITTLE TREES, IT'S NOT THE SAME AS THE TREE THAT'S REMOVED. 
          BUT WE DO OUR BEST ON THAT WITH THE, WITH THE ORDINANCE. 
          I WANTED TO SAY A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS IN OUR LITTLE NOTES HERE. 
          UM, WE TALKED ABOUT NUISANCE TREES, AND I HAD A LITTLE EXPERIENCE WORKING UP AT THE COUNTY WHEN THEY PUT TOGETHER THEIR NEW TREE PROTECTION AUDIENCE, UM, UH, SORRY, UM, ORDINANCE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, UM, IT BECAME 
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A THING WHERE PEOPLE HAD FAVORITE TREES AND THEN THEY HAD UNFAVORITE TREES. 
          AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHERE WE, WE WANNA BE GOING. 
          I THINK WE WANT TO HAVE SCIENTIFIC DEFINITION OF WHAT TREES ARE ACTUALLY NUISANCE TREES. 
          AND THE, THE BOTANISTS AND THE SCIENTISTS DO KNOW THAT THIS TREE REALLY IS NOT A GOOD PLACE, A GOOD TREE TO PUT HERE, THAT KIND OF THING. 
          I THINK IT SHOULD BE THE CRITERIA RATHER THAN A LIST THAT WE MAKE UP BECAUSE IT CAN BECOME TOO, UH, PERSONAL KIND OF THING. 
          UM, I ALSO, UH, MY BACKGROUND IS IN WILDFIRE AND, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT, UH, I IMAGINE YOU'RE AWARE OF, UM, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A FIRE PRONE TREE AND A FIRE RESISTANT TREE. 
          UM, AND THE SCIENCE SCIENTISTS OF WILDFIRE AND TREES HAVE WORKED THESE THINGS OUT. 
          AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE LIST THAT, UH, OUR FIRE MARSHAL HAS A LIST THAT THAT IS, PUTS DOWN THE FIRE PRONE TREES, WHICH GOOD IDEA, CERTAINLY NOT TO PLANT. 
          AND ALSO, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER, CONSIDER HAVING THAT BE ON THE LIST OF TREES THAT YOU COULD TAKE OUT. 
          MIGHT BE AN INDIVIDUAL ONE DEPENDING ON WHERE IT WAS ON THE PROPERTY, BUT I, I THINK WE NEED TO CONSIDER VERY SERIOUSLY THIS WHOLE BUSINESS ABOUT FIRE PRONE TREES. 
          AND THIS IS NOT ENTIRELY RELEASE PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE RELIEF WANTS TO HAVE THE MORE TREES, THE MERRIER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THE THREE MINUTES IS UP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I THINK YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, CHARLES. 
          UM, NOW OPEN IT UP 
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FOR COMMITTEE COMMENTS. 
          WE'LL START WITH MARYANNE. 
          ANY COMMENTS? UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AT SOME POINT THE CITY WORK TOWARD, UM, SOMEONE, SOMEONE ELSE MENTIONED, UM, SOME TYPE OF PROGRAM, EDUCATION PROGRAM OR WHATEVER THAT REQUIRES ANY TREE PROFESSIONAL THAT'S GOING TO BE PRUNING TREES IN THE CITY TO AT VERY MINIMUM BE GIVEN SOME PRINTED INFORMATION THAT THEY HAVE TO SIGN THAT THEY'VE RECEIVED IT, AND THAT THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR PRUNING TREES IN THE CITY OF PET PETALUMA. 
          AND THAT THOSE PEOPLE THAT HAVE SIGNED OFF ON SUCH EDUCATIONAL MATERIALS BE LISTED SOMEWHERE SO THAT PEOPLE CAN HIRE THOSE COMPANIES THAT ARE AWARE OF THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE CITY OF PETALUMA. 
          I, AT SOME POINT, IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO DEVELOP SOME KIND OF A, YOU KNOW, EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM THAT'S LIKE A HALF DAY THING OR SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO GO TO IF THEY WANT TO DO THAT WORK IN THE CITY. 
          I REALIZE THAT'S A DEMAND ON CITY RESOURCES, BUT AT THE VERY MINIMUM, SOME KIND OF INFORMATION SHEET THAT COULD BE PUT TOGETHER THAT THEY HAVE TO SIGN A COPY SAYING THEY RECEIVED THE INFORMATION AND THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THESE ARE THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY RUIN TREES IN THE CITY. 
          SO THAT'S IT, ROGER. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND THAT THE GUY WHO SHOWS UP ON A JOB HAS BEEN TOLD THE, THE RULES BECAUSE THE BOSS MAY, THE BOSS MAY HAVE READ IT, BUT THE GUY SHOWING UP ON THE JOB IS THERE'S NOTHING ABOUT THE BOSS TO HAVE PAY FARM THEN . 
          UM, JUST TWO ITEMS. ONE IS I THINK, UM, IN, IN REPLANTING TREES AND 17.040, UM, MAINTENANCE. 
          THE FEW TREES I'VE SEEN THAT HAD ROOT PROBLEMS, UH, FOURTH STREET WAS ONE THAT WE VISITED IT, THE ROOT PROBLEMS DEVELOPED FROM SHALLOW WATERING OR FROM WATER COLLECT, YOU KNOW, THE ROOTS GO TO WHERE THE SURFACE WATER IS AND THAT'S WHERE THE SIDEWALK IS AS WELL. 
          SO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S DEEP WATERING REQUIREMENTS AND DEEP WATERING DESIGN IN THE STANDARDS THAT YOU DEVELOP, SUCH AS PERFORATED PIPES THAT ARE INSTALLED WHEN THE TREE'S INSTALLED THAT CAN BE FED. 
          SO THE ROOF COULD GO DEEPLY. 
          ALSO, ROOT PRUNING'S MENTIONED, BUT I DON'T THINK ANYBODY KNOWS ABOUT ROOT PRUNING, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S A PREVENTATIVE PROCESS, NOT A, ONCE IT'S THREE INCHES OR SIX INCHES, YOU, YOU CUT IT OFF DEVELOPING PRUNING. 
          SO THE ROOTS DO NOT ESTABLISH ON THE SURFACE, BUT GO DEEPER. 
          SO BETWEEN WATERING AND ROOT PRUNING, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE SPELLED OUT BETTER, EVEN FOR CITY MANAGEMENT OF THEIR OWN STREET TREES. 
          UM, ON POLICIES THAT YOU MENTIONED ON LIKE PAGE THREE OF YOUR DOCUMENT POLICY 6.1, EXPAND AND MAINTAIN THE URBAN FOREST. 
          ALL OF THOSE POLICIES ARE GIVEN TO THE PARKS DEPARTMENT. 
          I MENTIONED THIS TO YOU, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE STAFF FUNDED OR QUALIFIED TO DEAL WITH 
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THAT. 
          AND I, I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT SHOULD GO, BUT IT SHOULD, I THINK SOMEONE SHOULD BE IN CHARGE OF IT. 
          WHO'S KNOWLEDGEABLE? UH, AND WHO, UH, UNDERSTANDS THE PROCESS? I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, SO I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU'RE THINKING OF OR HOW THAT WILL BE. 
          AND AND CHAIR, IF I MAY JUST RESPOND TO THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, ONE OF THE FEEDBACKS, SO IN THE FRAMEWORKS FOR THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE, MUCH OF THE DISCUSSION ABOUT TREES WAS PUT IN THE PARKS FRAMEWORK AND WE RECEIVED A LOT OF COMMENTS THAT THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT PLACE FOR IT TO GO. 
          SO WE WILL BE LOOKING AT WHERE IS THE APPROPRIATE PLACE TO PUT THE POLICIES AND ACTIONS AROUND TREES. 
          UM, WHETHER THEY'RE ALL IN A DIFFERENT, IN ONE ELEMENT OR THEY'RE WOVEN THROUGHOUT MANY ELEMENTS, AND THEN THERE'S SOME SORT OF CROSSWALK AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE IMPLEMENTATION OF ALL OF THOSE ACTIONS IS A PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN WE HAVEN'T EVEN GOTTEN TO YET. 
          SO, UM, NOTED. 
          GO AHEAD, BILL. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, COUPLE COMMENTS, QUESTIONS. 
          LET'S SEE. 
          I'M SORRY BILL. 
          WE'LL KEEP IT AS COMMENTS RIGHT NOW JUST 'CAUSE WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME. 
          YEP, YEP. 
          I HAVE A HARD STOP AT FIVE TWO. 
          SO, UH, IN LIEU OF NOT HAVING A SORT OF MANDATE TO PLANT THE PLANTER STRIPS, I'M WONDERING ABOUT THE EXPLICIT REQUIREMENT FOR TREE COVERAGE AS PART OF THE BUILDING PERMIT. 
          SO LET'S SAY, UH, SOMEBODY GOES TO LIKE, UH, RE COMPLETELY REMODEL A HOUSE AND THERE'S NO TREE IN THE PLANTER STRIP. 
          UM, SOMEHOW MAYBE IT'S, UH, THE CITY STAFF OR MAYBE IT'S THE ARCHITECT, UH, FOR THE CLIENT PROVIDES SOME SORT OF OVERHEAD. 
          THERE'S SOME WAY TO CALCULATE THE TREE COVERAGE ON THE PROPERTY IF THERE'S CLEARLY MISSING. 
          UH, IF IT'S NOT UP TO OUR, WHATEVER OUR STANDARD MIGHT BE, UH, MAYBE THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, REQUIRE THE OWNER TO, TO PLANT. 
          UH, THAT'S ONE THOUGHT. 
          UM, I HAD SOME QUESTION ABOUT, I THINK IT'S MORE IN THE GENERAL PLAN ABOUT, UH, LIKE HOW ROAD WORK WILL TRIGGER  TREE TREE WORK OR, YOU KNOW, UM, BUT IT, I DON'T KNOW. 
          THAT'S VERY, IT'S NOT REALLY VERY SPECIFIC. 
          DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE A SENSE FOR WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN? A CITY PROJECT THAT HAS ROAD WORK OR A DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS FRONTAGE? I THINK IT WAS C THE CITY PROJECT. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, SO I KNOW THAT PUBLIC WORKS IS WORKING THAT MUCH MORE INTO THEIR PART OF THEIR REVIEW AND THEIR PLANNING AND DESIGNING OF ALL THEIR STREET PROJECTS. 
          I CAN'T RECALL IF THERE'S MUCH IN THE GENERAL PLAN, BUT IT'S A GOOD THING TO LIKE LOOK BACK ON AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT WE GET SOME POLICIES AROUND THAT. 
          UH, WE DO REFERENCE, UH, I BELIEVE WE DO REFERENCE UPDATING STREET SCAPE STANDARDS, AND SO MAKING SURE THAT THAT'S IN THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I'M, I'M HOPEFUL THAT WHEN THERE'S ROAD WORK DONE ON OUR STREETS, BUT THE CITY GOES AND THAT THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, TO ALSO REPOPULATE THE STREET TREES. 
          SO, UM, AND 17 1 4 0 ENFORCEMENT, IT SAYS ANY PERSON WHO CUTS DAMAGES OR REMOVES A TREE IN VIOLATION, I'M JUST WONDERING IF THAT SHOULD BE ANY PERSON OR ORGANIZATION. 
          SEEMS TO BE THAT AN INDIVIDUAL WORKING FOR A A COMPANY WOULDN'T BE THE ONE WE'D GO AFTER, OR I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING, UH, THERE FOR A REASON. 
          BUT, UH, COST RECOVERY, I THINK THAT'S A BIG ISSUE. 
          IF WE'RE, OUR A OUR FEES ARE ALIGNED TO, TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM CHOPPING DOWN TREES, BUT BUT ALSO INCENTIVIZING THEM TO MAINTAIN THEIR TREES. 
          AND SO I WOULD HOPE THAT THOSE PERMIT FEES AREN'T YEAH. 
          ARE, I'D HOPE THEY WOULDN'T EVEN EXIST, UM, IN THAT CASE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, I'LL MAKE THIS QUICK. 
          UM, I GUESS, UH, WITH THE TREE PRUNING AND THE, AND THE, UM, SORT OF EDUCATION, I WOULD AGREE THAT, THAT, THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE EFFORT MADE INTO THAT. 
          UM, AND I WOULD ALSO, UH, EXTEND THAT OVER INTO 
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PARK AND REC. 
          UM, I RECENTLY WAS, UH, AT DRIVING DOWN LAKEVILLE AND IN FRONT OF THE HOTEL THERE'S A SMALL LITTLE POCKET PARK AND ALL OF THE CORCAS ARA FOLIA, THE COAST LIVE OAK HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO LOLLIPOPS. 
          SO I ASSUME THAT CITY MAINTENANCE DOING THAT. 
          ANYWAY, IT'S A CITY PARK. 
          I , SORRY. 
          UM, BUT I JUST, YOU KNOW, THESE, THESE THINGS NEED TO BE CLEARED UP. 
          AND, UM, THE OTHER THING IS, UM, UH, I THINK I'VE ALREADY, I'VE ALREADY SORT OF ASKED EVERY QUESTION I HAD OR, OR MADE A COMMENT. 
          I HAVE, UM, OH, I WILL MAKE A COMMENT THOUGH. 
          I THINK THAT, UH, WHEN, UH, ON ANY DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, WHETHER IT'S A HOUSE REMODEL OR ANYTHING, I THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME, SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE ABOUT A EXISTING TREE MAP OR EXISTING, YOU KNOW, AND, UM, AND THEN YES, FOR THE TREE INVENTORY. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          UM, I HAVE DETAILED NOTES AND I'LL SEND THEM TO YOU. 
          HEATHER, I JUST WANNA SAY THIS IS EXCELLENT. 
          I WAS OVERJOYED WHEN I OPENED THIS UP, SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          I WISH I HAD MORE TIME. 
          I'LL HAVE TO PRAISE YOU OFFLINE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, I'M JUST GONNA MENTION A COUPLE THINGS. 
          I THINK THE BIG THING IS DEFINITIONS, CLARIFYING SOME TERMS I THINK WOULD POTENTIALLY GET RID OF CONFLICTS I SEE IN THE DOCUMENT. 
          UH, I'LL BE SENDING MY NOTES AS WELL, BUT I THINK THINGS DEFINING COMPACTION CRITICAL, ROOT ZONE, DRIP LINE, UH, HAZARDOUS CONDITION OR IMMINENT THREAT TO THE PUBLIC, UM, RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE. 
          AND I THINK SAN JOSE ACTUALLY HAS A GREAT LIST IN THEIR PRESERVATION ORDINANCE. 
          A REALLY ROBUST LIST OF DEFINITIONS THAT WE CAN PULL FROM A CRITICAL ROOT ZONE IS ANOTHER ONE. 
          UH, AND, AND ACTUALLY THE ONE THAT'S BLANK RIGHT NOW IS THE TREE PROTECTION ZONE, WHICH IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO DEFINE. 
          UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK THIS IS A HUGE STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. 
          UM, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT FOR THOSE EXEMPTION SITUATIONS, I THINK IT MIGHT STILL BE SMART TO HAVE THE PERMIT, HAVE A CHECKBOX SAY EXEMPTION, AND AT LEAST THE PERSON PUTS THEIR ADDRESS. 
          AND THEN AS A CITY WE HAVE SOME KIND OF RECORD. 
          UH, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD DO AN ONLINE APPLICATION, SOMETHING THAT TAKES LIKE ZERO STAFF TIME EXEMPTIONS ARE PIPED AWAY FROM ANYBODY WHO WOULD'VE TO WASTE TIME ON IT. 
          UM, BUT THEN AT LEAST IF SOMEONE CALLS, WE HAVE SOME RECORD, UM, OF WHETHER OR NOT THAT PROPERTY OWNER INTERFACED WITH THAT. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU MAKE THAT REQUIRED OR NOT, BUT JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT JUST FOR KIND OF TRACKING. 
          SO, UH, BUT OTHERWISE I THINK THIS IS A HUGE STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, SO THANK YOU. 
          WITH THAT, I'LL CLOSE, UH, COMMENT AND I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I FEEL LIKE YOU, YOU, YOU AND YOUR TEAM HAVE REALLY HEARD US FOR SURE. 
          AND, AND THE PUBLIC AND RELIEF AND, AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF STAKEHOLDERS IN THIS AND I FEEL LIKE, I FEEL LIKE WE'VE BEEN LISTENED TO, SO THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I THINK IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, DO YOU WANNA DO A STAFF COMMENT OR SHOULD WE DO OH, WE DO. 
          ELECTION CHAIR. 
          UNLESS YOU WANNA STATE TO THE NEXT MEETING, IT'S UP TO YOU. 
          I KNOW. 
          UM, OH, HOW DOES ANYBODY, SHOULD WE WAIT TILL NEXT TO DO ELECT CHAIR ELECTIONS? I CAN'T, I DIDN'T HEAR THAT. 
          SORRY, WHAT WAS THAT CHAIR? TARYN WAS YOU WANNA SAY TARN? SORRY, I, I MOVE WE DO THE CHAIR ELECTION, BUT SAVE THE STAFF COMMENTS FOR NEXT TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M FINE WITH THAT. 
          THEN WITH THAT, I'M, I'LL OPEN, IS THERE NOMINATIONS FOR, MY TERM IS UP. 
          SO IS THE NOMINATIONS FOR CHAIR. 
          I NOMINATE DARREN KUEN. 
          I'LL SECOND THAT CHAIR. 
          CAN YOU ASK IF DARREN ACCEPTS? OH, DO YOU ACCEPT DARREN? SURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WITH THAT, I'LL, UH, ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? UM, I'LL NOMINATE BILL FOR VICE CHAIR. 
          WE'RE NOT DOING THAT YET. 
          OH, SORRY. 
          SORRY. 
          UM, CAN I MAKE A COMMENT? HUH? THANK YOU FOR BEING AN AMAZING CHAIR FOR TWO YEARS AND MOVING OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT BIG TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UH, WITH THAT, OPEN FOR A VOTE. 
          ALL IN FAVOR OF DARREN NEXT CHAIR. 
          I THINK IT'S UNANIMOUS. 
          CONGRATULATIONS, DARREN. 
          AND NOW OPEN NOMINATIONS FOR VICE CHAIR. 
          I'M GONNA NOMINATE BILL. 
          BILL, ARE YOU AVAILABLE? UH, YEAH, I'D BE HONORED. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M GLAD. 
          ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? ALL RIGHT. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? IS THERE A SECOND TO THE NOMINATION? OH, OH, IS THERE A SECOND TO THE NOMINATION? SECOND. 
          I'LL SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          IT'S UNANIMOUS. 
          CONGRATULATIONS, BILL. 
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AND THANK YOU ALL FOR ALLOWING ME TO DO THIS FOR THE LAST COUPLE YEARS. 
          IT'S BEEN A GREAT HONOR. 
          AND, UM, I FEEL LIKE, UM, TODAY I FINALLY FIGURED OUT HOW THE, HOW THE, HOW THE PROCESS WORKS. 
          SO  ANYWAY, WITH THAT, I THINK IT'S FIVE O'CLOCK AND, UM, I'LL MOVE TO ADJOURN. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'LL SECOND MEETING IS ADJOURNED.
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