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GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO THE SECOND MEETING OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISOR COMMITTEE FOR WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 28TH, 2024.
IF YOU WISH TO PROVIDE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD IN THE BACK OF THE CHAMBER AND BRING IT TO THE COMMITTEE CLERK.
I NOW ASK THE CLERK TO TAKE ROLL.
UM, UH, MILLER PRESENT, OSLER PRESENT.
UH, CATHERINE SULLIVAN PRESENT.
AND GABE KEARNEY IS AB ABSENT.
I WILL NOW, UM, LEAD THE COMMITTEE ON A PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
WHAT TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES.
UNITED STATES REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS? ONE NATION UNDER GOD WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.
I WOULD LIKE, NOW, I WOULD LIKE TO NOW ASK THE PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISOR COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES TO EACH OTHER AND TO THE COMMITTEE, ALONG WITH WHY THEY SOUGHT TO SERVE ON THE COMMITTEE.
I HAVE MET MANY OF THE DIFFERENT EMPLOYEES IN DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS OF THE CITY, AND I FELT COMPELLED WHEN ASKED TO JOIN, TO PARTICIPATE AND DO MY BEST TO HELP THE COMMUNITY, UH, WORK WITH OUR DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS IN THE CITY.
WE, CAN WE SEE JAVIER, OR IS, IS HE ON ZOOM OR? HE'S ON ZOOM, UM, FROM NEW YORK AND HE DOES NOT HAVE HIS, UH, VIDEO ON.
ACTUALLY I PUT THE VIDEO ON, BUT IT SAYS THAT THE HOST STOPPED IT.
I WILL TRY TO FIX THAT IN ONE MOMENT.
YOU WANNA GO? UH, MY NAME'S DENNIS POKAY.
I AM A MEMBER OF CITY COUNCIL HERE.
UM, AND, UM, UM, GOSH, YOU KNOW, THROUGH ALL THE, UH, GEORGE FLOYD STUFF, UH, A FEW YEARS AGO, THAT WAS WHEN I WAS RUNNING FOR CITY.
I GUESS I RAN ONCE BEFORE THAT, BUT WHEN I GOT ELECTED, IT WAS FOUR YEARS AGO AT THAT TIME.
AND, UM, UH, WAS, UH, UM, I SUPPOSE ENJOYED TAKING PART IN, UH, WAS SOMETHING WE CALLED THE SAFETY TEAM TO TRY TO, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, BE THERE TO, UH, DEESCALATE SITUATIONS AND SUCH.
AND, UH, UM, WE CONTINUE TO DO THAT IF WE GET ENOUGH NOTICE, UH, FOR THINGS.
UH, I THINK ELLEN'S BEEN PART OF THAT AS WELL.
WE PROBABLY HAVE 20 FOLKS THAT DO IT, TRY TO GET A TEAM, USUALLY OF FOUR TO SIX PEOPLE FROM THAT 20 AND, UH, TRY TO, TRY TO, UM, ADD A LITTLE MEASURE OF SAFETY TO STUFF.
I WAS JUST GONNA ONLY 'CAUSE TO SAY THAT, UM, I'M ELLEN OSLER, AND SO, SORRY, KATHY, I HOPE IT'S OKAY.
UM, I, UH, I AM HERE BECAUSE, UM, A IN THE LIGHT OF THE GEORGE FLOYD CUR, UH, KILLINGS AND A LOT OF THE BLACK LIVES MATTER MOVEMENT THAT WAS HAPPENING IN TOWN, ONE OF THE EVENTS HAPPENED AT ST.
VINCENT'S WHERE, UH, THERE WAS, IT WAS A VERY, VERY UNSAFE SITUATION WITH, UH, COUNTER PROTESTORS, UH, COMING IN AND TRYING TO DISRUPT A BLACK LIVES MATTER MO UM, ACTION.
AND I WAS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THE POLICE RESPONDED TO IT AND, UM, FOLLOWED UP AND SPOKE WITH, UH, THE THEN CHIEF AS WELL AS THEN MAYOR.
AND, UH, WE WOUND UP HAVING, STARTING THIS ENTIRE PROCESS AS LED TO LISTENING CIRCLES IN THIS, IN THE CITY, WHICH LED TO THE AD HOC COMMITTEE.
AND THANK YOU SO MUCH, MIKE, FOR SERVING ON IT.
AND WE WERE KIND OF ALL WAITING FOR THIS COMMUNITY ELEMENT TO COME INTO, UM, OVERSIGHT.
AND I'M THRILLED THAT IT'S HAPPENING AND I WANTED
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TO BE A PART OF IT IF I COULD.I'VE LIVED IN PETALUMA FOR 30 YEARS, I CAN'T EVEN BELIEVE IT.
AND I COMMUTED TO SAN FRANCISCO FOR 20 OF THOSE 30 YEARS.
THE REASON I GOT INVOLVED WAS, IS THAT I ENDED UP HAVING A LOT OF TIME ON MY HANDS RECENTLY 'CAUSE I STOPPED BABYSITTING THE GRANDKIDS.
I STOPPED SHOWING MY HORSE 'CAUSE I GOT HURT.
SO THOSE WERE TWO BIG PARTS OF MY LIFE.
AND THEN I STARTED TO LOOK INTO THE CITY STUFF AND I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD ALL THIS TRAINING AND EVERYTHING.
MAYBE I COULD ADD SOMETHING FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE.
UM, I WORK FOR THE FEDERAL COURT AND, UM, I DECIDED TO GET INVOLVED IN THIS BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THERE ARE ENOUGH YOUNG PEOPLE WHO TRY TO TAKE ON, UM, POSITIONS IN, UM, IN THIS KIND OF ROLE.
AND I FELT LIKE IT WAS IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT REPRESENTATION BECAUSE PETALUMA DOES HAVE PEOPLE MY AGE.
UM, AND SO THAT WAS ONE OF MY MAIN REASONS.
I ADDITIONALLY, UM, I STUDIED THIS IN SCHOOL.
I HAVE A MASTER'S IN CRIMINAL JUSTICE POLICY.
I COME FROM A FAMILY OF LAW ENFORCEMENT.
UM, SO I JUST FELT LIKE A LOT OF MY INTERESTS, UM, WERE PEAKED WHEN I SAW THIS OPENING.
AND I ALSO FEEL LIKE I HAVE A LOT TO ADD TO THIS GROUP.
UH, MY NAME IS MICHAEL MILLER, BUT YOU ALL PLEASE CALL ME MIKE.
UM, I HAVE ONLY LIVED IN PETALUMA FOR SIX YEARS NOW, SO I'M STILL NEW, UH, TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT I REALLY DO LOVE THE CITY.
I THINK IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR ME TO SERVE BECAUSE I THINK AS A MEMBER OF, OF PETALUMA'S COMMUNITIES OF COLOR, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO SHOW THAT WE CARE ABOUT SAFETY AND THAT WE WANT TO BE A RESOURCE FOR THE PETALUMA POLICE DEPARTMENT AND FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO CREATE, UH, BETTER RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE COMMUNITIES THAT THEY SERVE AND WITH THE COMMUNITIES THAT THEY'RE ASKED TO POLICE.
SO I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A WAY THAT I CAN HELP CREATE MORE SAFETY, BOTH FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND FOR THE POLICE OFFICERS, AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITIES THAT THEY SERVE.
SO THAT'S WHY IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR ME TO, UH, SPEND THE TIME DOING THIS.
AND, UH, I WON'T MISS THE OPPORTUNITY.
I'M THE POLICE CHIEF FOR THE PETLAND POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I'M ALSO THE CITY STAFF LIAISON TO THE COMMITTEE.
AND, UH, GRATEFUL FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY AS A NEWLY APPOINTED POLICE CHIEF, UH, AND ALSO A PETALUMA RESIDENT.
I'VE GOT ABOUT 20 YEARS OF SERVICE HERE AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND BEEN A COMMUNITY MEMBER FOR THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME.
LIFELONG RESIDENT OF SONOMA COUNTY, BUT LIVE HERE LOCALLY WITH MY WIFE AND TWO CHILDREN WHO ATTEND OUR LOCAL SCHOOLS.
SO BEYOND, UH, YOU KNOW, STRESSING THE IMPORTANCE OF, OF A MUTUALLY COLLABORATIVE RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICIALS ALSO HAVE AN IMMENSELY VESTED INTEREST IN CONTINUING THAT CONVERSATION AND BUILDING THE RELATIONSHIPS.
'CAUSE I'M ALSO A COMMUNITY MEMBER AND A PARENT AND HAVE A YOUNG CHILDREN LOCALLY.
THEY'RE AFFECTED BY THE SAME CHALLENGES AND ISSUES AND PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERNS THAT, THAT I THINK, UH, MOST OF US EXPERIENCE AS PARENTS, UH, IN THIS DAY AND AGE.
SO THANK YOU FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY.
AND BACK TO YOU, CHAIR MILLER.
THANK YOU SO MUCH EVERYONE, FOR SORT OF SHARING THE REASONS WHY YOU'RE HERE.
I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
IT'S GONNA HELP US ALL WORK TOGETHER.
UH, NEXT, UH, DURING, UH, GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON ITEMS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THAT ARE WITHIN THE COMMITTEE'S SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION, AND THAT ARE NOT LISTED ON THE CURRENT AGENDA.
PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED UP TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON.
DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMITTEE.
TIME MAY BE ALLOCATED IN EQUAL SHARES TOTALING NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES.
CHAIR MILLER, IF I COULD ACTUALLY, UM, IT WASN'T AN AGENDA ITEM TONIGHT, BUT I WAS HOPEFUL TO MAYBE HAVE A COMMITTEE MOTION TO MOVE STAFF COMMENT, UM, TO THIS PORTION OF THE PRESENTATION, JUST 'CAUSE I HAD A NOTABLE REMARK THAT I WOULD HOPE TO SHARE.
BUT AGAIN, IT WASN'T AGENDIZED STAFF'S COMMENTS AT THE END OF THE MEETING.
SO IF THE, UH, IF THE COMMITTEE WE WOULD BE AGREEABLE TO THAT, I'D WELCOME THAT OPPORTUNITY.
AND THEN WE COULD FOLLOW THAT WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO A MOTION BY CHAIR MILLER AND A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER POST.
AND, AND WE'LL, UH, IF THE CLERK'S READY, WE'LL ASK FOR A ROLL CALL.
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SULLIVAN? YES.AND, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR CREATING A LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSION AND MAKING THIS OUTTA ORDER, BUT DIDN'T, DIDN'T WANT TO, UH, MISS AN OPPORTUNITY AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.
UH, THIS BEING THE SECOND MEETING, WE UNDERSTAND IT'S IMMENSELY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS AND HOW THE AGENDAS FOR THE MEETINGS ARE CREATED.
AND SO CITY STAFF, UH, IN, IN THE, THE ATTEMPT TO BE AS OPEN AND TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE IS WORKING ON A DRAFTS AGENDA AND SCHEDULE.
AND WE'RE GOING TO BE IN THE UPCOMING AGENDA, BUILDING AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A TENTATIVE AGENDA AND SCHEDULE IN THERE, WHICH WOULD BE AN AGENDA ITEM FOR COMMITTEE DISCUSSION AND PRIORITIZATION TO HELP US NAVIGATE HOW THE FUTURE MEETINGS ARE LED.
UM, I'D LIKE TO TO POST JUST KIND OF PRELIMINARILY WHAT WE'VE, UM, ATTEMPTED AT PUTTING TOGETHER.
AND, AND REALLY IF FUNDAMENTALLY IS AT THIS POINT FOR THE FIRST INITIAL MEETINGS, REALLY FOLLOWING THE ENABLING LEGISLATION, FOCUSING ON THE ANNUAL REPORT, THE MILITARY EQUIPMENT, TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION ON PERSONNEL RECORDS AND THE INDEPENDENT POLICE AUDITORS REPORT.
AND ABSOLUTELY WE WANT AND WELCOME EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR FROM YOU ALL THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS ABOUT TOPICS FOR CONSIDERATION THAT WE CAN PRIORITIZE AND HAVE STAFF PREPARED TO BRING PRESENTATIONS TO YOU ALL TO ARTICULATE AND PROVIDE AS MUCH DETAIL AND CONTEXT THAT WE POSSIBLY CAN.
SO AS YOU'LL SEE ON THERE, THE JULY 24 IS THE ITEMS THAT WE COVERED IN OUR INITIAL MEETING.
AUGUST, YOU HAVE, UH, THE LISTED AGENDA ITEMS FOR TONIGHT, WHICH WERE THE, THE, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBER INTRODUCTIONS THAT YOU ALL PARTICIPATED IN, WHICH WAS IMMENSELY IMPORTANT AND ENLIGHTENING, AS WELL AS WHAT OUR PRESENTATION WILL BE HERE SHORTLY FROM THE, UH, INDEPENDENT POLICE AUDITOR AND OUR DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY.
AND THEN IN OCTOBER, UH, AND SEPTEMBER, YOU SEE, UH, SOME, SOME, UH, ADDITIONAL ITEMS WHICH INCLUDE KIND OF OUR SERVICE DELIVERY MODEL, OUR OPERATIONAL STRUCTURE, AND PATROL POLICING SERVICES.
UM, AND SO AGAIN, OUR INTENT WILL BE TO INCLUDE THIS ON EVERY AGENDA AS A TENTATIVE ITEM.
WE DO THIS IN SOME OF OUR OTHER CITY MEETINGS AND COUNCIL MEMBER POST A CASE FAMILIAR WITH THE COUNCIL, UH, AGENDAS.
THEY HAVE THOSE FEATURE ITEMS IN THERE.
AND THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET DIRECTION FROM THE COMMITTEE ON ITEMS TO PUT ON FUTURE AGENDAS.
AND, UH, THAT WILL CONCLUDE MY COMMENTS.
AND WE SHOULD BE PREPARED FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT NOW,
UH, SO NOW I'D LIKE TO ASK THE CLERK IF WE'VE RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
WE RECEIVED ZERO COMMENTS BEFORE THE MEETING.
NOW WE'D LIKE TO OPEN FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
UH, PLEASE SPEAKERS, BRING YOUR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK AND INVITE THE CLERK TO READ GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT INSTRUCTIONS.
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SHOULD BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY'RE NOT ALREADY DONE.
SO SPEAKERS ARE REMINDED TO BE RESPECTFUL IN THEIR COMMENTS.
THREATS OF VIOLENCE AND OBSCENITY ARE GROUNDS FOR REMOVAL FROM THIS MEETING.
A COUNTDOWN WILL APPEAR FOR THE CONVENIENCE OF THE SPEAKER AND VIEWERS.
THE FIRST SPEAKER WILL BE ACKNOWLEDGED AND INVITED TO SPEAKER WHEN THE COUNTDOWN BEGINS.
I'M GONNA SKIP DOWN TO, UH, GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AND CONTINUE WITH THE AGENDA.
UM, ARE THERE APPROVAL OF MINUTES FOR
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THE MEETING OF JULY 24TH, 2024? ARE THERE ANY CHANGES OR CORRECTIONS? IF NONE, STATE THAT THE MINUTES ARE DEEMED APPROVED AS PRESENTED? CORRECT? YEAH.THE TENTATIVE MEETING MINUTES FROM LAST MINUTE MEETING, WERE CHAT TO THE AGENDA THAT YOU ALL RECEIVED.
SO IF THERE WERE ANY CHANGES OR MODIFICATIONS OR CORRECTIONS THAT WERE NOTICED, PLEASE ADVISE.
I THOUGHT I WAS LOUD AND CLEAR.
UH, SO THE, THIS IS THE PORTION, UM, A FOLLOWING EVERY MEETING WE PRODUCE MINUTES AND THEY WILL BE ATTACHED TO THE FUTURE MEETING OR THE MEETING THAT WE'RE PRESENTLY AT.
AND WE'LL REFLECT BACK AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES, CORRECTIONS
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OR INACCURACIES THERE.AND THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE ANY OF THOSE CORRECTIONS TO THE CITY CLERK TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR RECORDS ARE ACCURATE.
AND SO IF THERE ARE ANY COMMENTS OR, UM, IF THERE ARE NOT, UM, THEN GENERALLY THE CHAIR WILL TAKE A MOTION TO VOTE ON ACCEPTING THOSE.
IF THERE ARE NO, UH, AMENDMENTS OR CHANGES REQUESTED FOR THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING, THEN I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CHANGES.
SO THAT WAS A, THE MOTION WAS MADE BY ELLEN.
AND SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER POST K.
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UH, I WANT TO INTRODUCE THE PRESENTATION ON 2023, INDEPENDENT POLICE AUDITOR ANNUAL REPORT, THE ADDENDUM TO THE 2023 INDEPENDENT POLICE AUDITOR REPORT AND POLICE PERSONNEL RECORDS GOVERNED BY SECTION 8 3 2 0.7 OF THE CALIFORNIA PENAL CODE.AND INVITE ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY JORDAN GREEN TO PRESENT ON POLICE PERSONNEL RECORDS GOVERNED BY SECTION 8 3 2 0.7 OF THE CALIFORNIA PENAL CODE, FOLLOWED BY JEFF SCHLAGER WITH ENTER ASSURE TO PRESENT ON 2023 INDEPENDENT POLICE AUDITOR ANNUAL REPORT.
THE ADDENDUM TO THE 2023 INDEPENDENT POLICE AUDITOR REPORT.
I NOW OPEN IT UP FOR THE PRESENTATION.
GOOD EVENING COMMISSION MEMBER OR COMMITTEE MEMBERS? CAN YOU ALL HEAR ME OKAY? YES.
SO I'M GOING TO DISCUSS THE CALIFORNIA PUBLIC RECORDS ACT TO GIVE SOME BACKGROUND INTO PERSONNEL RECORDS.
SO IN CALIFORNIA WE HAVE THE PUB CALIFORNIA PUBLIC RECORDS ACT, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY OUR VERSION OF THE FEDERAL FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT.
IT IS LOCATED IN CALIFORNIA GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 79 20 0.005 AT SEC.
SO THROUGHOUT THAT, THOSE STATUTES, THEY TELL YOU WHAT GOVERNMENT RECORDS ARE PUBLIC AND WHAT ARE EXEMPT.
AND WHAT OUR LEGISLATURE THERE DOES THERE IS THEY TRY TO SAY, HEY, MOST OF OUR RECORDS THAT GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES PRODUCE ARE PUBLIC INFORMATION.
HOWEVER, SOME OF THAT IS NOT PUBLIC AND A LOT OF IT'S, AND SOME OF THAT IS EXEMPT.
AND THEY BALANCE THE NEED FOR THE PUBLIC TO HAVE TRANSPARENCY IN THE GOVERNMENT RECORDS AND PUBLIC'S INTEREST AS WELL AS PRIVACY FOR THE EMPLOYEES.
SO IF WE COULD GO TO THE THIRD SLIDE.
SO WHAT ARE PUBLIC RECORDS? AND THIS IS IMPORTANT 'CAUSE MANY TIMES PEOPLE WILL SUBMIT A PUBLIC RECORDS ACT REQUEST AND REALLY THEY JUST WANNA TALK TO SOMEONE AND GET QUESTIONS, WHICH AS GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT AS WELL.
BUT THE, YOU KNOW, ANYONE'S WELCOME TO JUST EMAIL US OR CALL US A PUBLIC RECORDS ACT REQUEST IS ACTUALLY REQUESTING A RECORD THAT THE CITY ALREADY HAS.
IF WE RELATE TO THE CONDUCT OF PUBLIC BUSINESS, IT'S PREPARED, OWNED, USED, OR RETAINED BY THE CITY HERE, REGARDLESS OF THE PHYSICAL FORMS. SO THAT WOULD BE EMAILS, CALENDAR INVITE, OR OTHER DOCUMENTS WE HAVE AND REPORTS WE PREPARED, EXCEPT FOR ME, 'CAUSE OUR LEGAL REPORTS ARE CONFIDENTIAL, BUT MOST CITY EMPLOYEES.
SO THAT IS JUST THE GENERAL KIND OF PUBLIC RECORDS ACT.
AND IF WE COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
SO PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO ACCESS RECORDS TWO WAYS.
THEY COULD INSPECT RECORDS DURING NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS, WHICH VERY FEW PEOPLE DO ANYMORE.
AND TYPICALLY WE JUST PROVIDE LINKS BECAUSE MOST OF OUR RECORDS ARE ELECTRONIC NOW.
AND WE'LL PROVIDE IT VIA EMAIL.
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REQUEST IT.THEY COULD DO SO ANONYMOUSLY AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO GIVE US A REASON.
SO THEY COULD JUST SAY, I WANT A, B, C, D, AND E.
AND WE COULD SAY, OKAY, UNLESS IT'S EXEMPT.
RATHER THAN GO THROUGH ALL THE EXEMPTIONS IN THE CALIFORNIA LAW, WE ARE HERE TO FOCUS ON POLICE RECORDS AND PERSONNEL RECORDS AS WELL AS LAW ENFORCEMENT REPORTS.
I'M GONNA DISCUSS LAW ENFORCEMENT REPORTS BECAUSE THOSE BECOME PART OF AN OFFICER'S PERSONNEL FILE IF THERE'S AN INVESTIGATION REPORT.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M KINDA GIVING THAT BACKGROUND.
BEFORE WE GET TO THE OFFICER'S PERSONNEL FILES, LAW ENFORCEMENT RECORDS ARE GENERALLY EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE, WHICH MEANS NO, GO AHEAD.
SO LAW ENFORCEMENT RECORDS ARE GENERALLY, GENERALLY EXEMPT, WHICH MEANS NO ONE MAY HAVE THEM EXCEPT FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES OR WHEN THE STATUTE SAYS OTHERWISE.
THERE'S EXEMPTIONS FOR RUSTY INFORMATION.
YOU OFTEN SEE THIS IF YOU WANNA KNOW WHO WAS BOOKED AND ARRESTED.
AND WE PROVIDE THE NAME, OCCUPATION, PHYSICAL DESCRIPTION, AND GENERAL INFORMATION SUCH AS THE DATE AND TIME AND LOCATION OF THE ARREST AND FACTUAL CIRCUMSTANCES AND USUALLY WHAT THEY WERE BOOKED ON.
SO YOU'LL SEE THE NDUI ARREST, LIKE SO AND SO WAS BOOKED FOR DRIVING UNDER THE INFLUENCE OR FOR ASSAULT OR YOU KNOW, THEY CONFISCATED FIREARMS. NEXT SLIDE.
THERE'S ALSO RECORDS OF COMPLAINTS OR REQUESTS FOR ASSISTANCE.
WE SEE THIS OFTEN WHERE PEOPLE MAY SEE POLICE CARS IN THEIR AREA AND THEY WANNA KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, RIGHT? THAT'S NORMAL.
AND POLICE WILL TELL YOU THE DATE, TIME, AND LOCATION OF THE OCCURRENCE.
WE'D OFTEN SAY LIKE THE 500 BLOCK OF SOMETHING BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA DIRECT YOU TO THE INDIVIDUAL'S HOME, BUT THEY'LL GIVE YOU THE GENERAL LOCATION, THE DATE AND THE TIME OF THE REPORT, AS WELL AS THE NAME AND AGE OF THE VICTIM.
BUT USUALLY THAT'S WITHHELD BECAUSE FOR PRIVACY REASONS AND MANY TIMES THEY'LL WANT THAT WITHHELD.
AND THEN GENERAL FACTS AND CIRCUMSTANCES LIKE POLICE WERE CALLED TO A DISTURBANCE, THEY INVESTIGATED IT AND MAYBE THEY DID ARRESTED SOMEONE OR THEY DIDN'T.
AND THEN GENERAL DESCRIPTION OF INJURIES, PROPERTIES OR WEAPONS INVOLVED.
SO THEY CONFISCATED TO ILLEGAL FIREARMS OR NOTHING.
AND SO THAT'S KIND OF YOUR BASIC WITH POLICE REPORTS IS WE DON'T PROVIDE THEM.
SAME WITH VEHICLE COLLISION REPORTS.
AND NOW AS THIS IS TO LEAD YOU INTO THE IPA'S REPORT, YOU'RE GONNA GET A LOT OF STATISTICS AND NUMBERS AND YOU MAY WANNA KNOW ALL THE GOOD DETAILS AND WE GET THAT.
BUT THERE ARE VERY, VERY, VERY STRICT LAWS AROUND PERSONNEL RECORDS.
AND THOSE ARE CONFIDENTIAL UNLESS CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES APPLY.
SOME OF THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES, AND I'M GONNA GIVE IT GENERALLY BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS CASE LAW THAT MAKES IT A LITTLE MORE DETAILED.
BUT IF THERE'S AN INCIDENT INVOLVING THE DISCHARGE OF A FIREARM AT SOMEONE, THEN WE'RE GONNA MAKE THOSE RECORDS AVAILABLE.
IF THERE'S A USE OF FORCE BY SOMEONE, BY A POLICE OFFICER TO SOMEONE ELSE THAT RESULTED IN DEATH OR A GREAT BODILY INJURY, WE'RE GONNA PRODUCE THOSE, DISCLOSE THOSE RECORDS AS WELL.
AND GREAT BROADLY INJURY IS MORE THAN JUST A PUNCH OR A KICK OR A BRUISE.
IT'S USUALLY SOMETHING VERY SERIOUS SUCH AS A BROKEN BONE OR A TRAUMATIC BRAIN INJURY.
BUT IT'S USUALLY, IT'S MORE THAN, YOU KNOW, YOUR BRUISES AND SOMETHING YOU'RE GONNA HEAL FROM IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
OR IF WE CONDUCT BY WE, BUT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR AN INVESTIGATOR CONDUCTS A INTERNAL INVESTIGATION AND THEY FIND THAT THE OFFICER USED UNREASONABLE FORCE LIKE THEY USED, YOU KNOW, THEY KICKED THAT GUY TOO MANY TIMES.
BUT IF IT DOES, WE WOULD DISCLOSE THAT REPORT TO THE PUBLIC IF THERE WAS A SUSTAINED FINDING THAT AN OFFICER FAILED TO INTERVENE AGAINST ANOTHER OFFICER USING FORCE, WHICH ARISES RIGHT OUT OF THE GEORGE FLOYD INCIDENT WHERE YOU CAN'T JUST WATCH SOMEONE DO SOMETHING.
SO IF THERE'S THAT FINDING AS WELL, THAT'S ALSO DISCLOSED A FAILURE TO INTERVENE.
OR IF THERE'S A RECORD, OH, NEXT SLIDE, OR YOU ALREADY WENT THERE.
IF THERE'S A RECORD RELATING TO AN INCIDENT IN WHICH THERE'S A SUSTAINED FINDING THAT A PEACE OFFICER ENGAGED IN SEXUAL ASSAULT
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INVOLVING A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC, WE'RE GONNA DISCLOSE THOSE BECAUSE THE PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO KNOW.A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC MEANS SOMEONE WHO'S NOT PART OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR CADET AND AN, AND IT ALSO INCLUDES ANY PARTICIPANT IN THE CADET EXPLORER OR SOME OTHER YOUTH PROGRAM.
IF THERE IS A SUSTAINED FINDING INVOLVING DISHONESTY BY A P PEACE OFFICER, AND THAT'S ONLY IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES, SO IF THEY WERE DISHONEST IN THE POLICE REPORT THEY WROTE, AND THERE'S A SUSTAINED FINDING THAT WILL BE PRODUCED TO THE PUBLIC UPON REQUEST, OR IF THERE'S, THEY WERE DISHONEST IN THE INVESTIGATION OR PROSECUTION OF A CRIME OR IF THEY, OR IN AN INTERNAL AFFAIRS INVESTIGATION FOR INVESTIGATION OF MISCONDUCT BY ANOTHER PEACE OFFICER, SUCH AS FALSE STATEMENTS OR VI FILING FALSE POLICE REPORTS, FALSIFYING OR CONCEALING EVIDENCE, THAT WOULD ALL BE PUBLIC INFORMATION.
SIMILARLY, IF THERE IS A SUSTAINED FINDING WE THAT A PEACE OFFICER ENGAGED IN CONDUCT, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, VERBAL STATEMENTS, WRITINGS, ONLINE POSTS, RECORDINGS, GESTURES INVOLVING PREJUDICE OR DISCRIMINATION AGAINST A PERSON ON THE BASIS OF RACE, RELIGIOUS CREED, COLOR, NATIONAL ORIGIN, ANCESTRY, PHYSICAL DISABILITY, MENTAL DISABILITY, MEDICAL CONDITION, GENETIC INFORMATION, MARITAL STATUS, SEX, GENDER, GENDER IDENTITY, GENDER EXPRESSION, AGE, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, OR MILITARY AND VETERAN STATUS.
THOSE ARE ALSO PUBLIC RECORDS.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE OUR LEGISLATURE FINDS THAT PEACE OFFICERS ARE HELD TO A HIGHER STANDARD AND THEREFORE IF THEY'VE COMMITTED THESE CRIMES, THE PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO KNOW.
AND THAT IS A SUMMARY OF THE RECORDS THAT WOULD BE DISCLOSED.
AND THAT MEANS ALL THE OTHER RECORDS THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CREATES, SUCH AS INVESTIGATION REPORTS OR AN ADMINISTRATIVE INVESTIGATION WHEN NONE OF THESE SUSTAINED FINDINGS EXIST ARE CONFIDENTIAL, INCLUDING IF SOMEONE'S THERE'S AN UNFOUNDED INVESTIGATION.
THAT'S MY OVERALL PUBLIC RECORDS ACT, FOCUSING ON POLICE RECORDS AND PERSONNEL RECORDS.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS BEFORE WE GET TO THE IPA REPORT? IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET A COPY OF WHAT YOU JUST SENT? OH, OF COURSE.
THAT'LL BE AVAILABLE ONLINE IF IT WASN'T ALREADY POSTED.
I DIDN'T SEE IT, BUT THANK YOU.
UM, IF A POLICE OFFICER WAS UNDER A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION FOR A CRIME, WOULD THAT INVESTIGATION BE MADE PUBLIC WHILE THE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION IS ONGOING? AND IF THEY HAD BEEN FOUND GUILTY OF A CRIME, I'LL USE AN EXAMPLE LIKE A DUI OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT IS MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC OR IS THAT ALSO SEALED AS PART OF THE UH, PERSONNEL RECORDS? GOOD QUESTION.
AND MY ANSWER'S GONNA BE YOUR TYPICAL LAWYER ANSWERS.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF IT'S A CRITICAL INCIDENT SUCH AS AN OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING, THEN THERE'S SPECIFIC TIMELINES TO DISCLOSE THE RECORDS AND THEN CERTAIN FACTS TO HOLD THAT DISCLOSURE FOR MORE TIMELINES.
AND THAT'S ACTUALLY WHY I DIDN'T INCLUDE IT HERE.
I SHOULD HAVE, BUT I KNEW IT WAS SO DETAIL ORIENTED.
AND THEN IT'S EVERY 45 DAYS AND DIFFERENT FINDINGS.
SO IT DEPENDS ON THE SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES.
SIMILAR WITH THE CRIMES, IF IT'S A DUI, I DON'T SEE WHERE THAT WOULD BE PUBLIC, BUT I WOULD DOUBLE CHECK ANYTIME.
ANYTIME WE GET A PUBLIC RECORDS ACT REQUEST, WE ALWAYS CONFIRM WITH THE LAW AND THERE'S NEW CASE LAW BEING DEVELOPED.
SORRY, ONE MORE, ONE MORE QUESTION.
UM, YES, IF, IF THE POLICE OFFICER IS TERMINATED FROM THE PELOMA POLICE DEPARTMENT, ARE THOSE RECORDS THEN SEALED? LIKE IF, IF THEY THEN WANTED TO GET A JOB AT ANOTHER POLICE DEPARTMENT, IS THAT POLICE DEPARTMENT ABLE TO ASK THE PETALUMA POLICE DEPARTMENT, HEY, CAN WE GET THEIR RECORDS, WE'D LIKE TO KNOW WHY THEY WERE RELEASED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? OR IS IT LIKE, NOPE, THEY CAN GO TO THE, IF THEY WERE RELEASED FOR TERMINATED WITH CAUSE.
UM, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE NEXT, UH, EMPLOYER, IF THAT WAS ANOTHER CITY JOB IS ABLE TO GET ACCESS TO? YEAH, SO FIRST, LEMME GO
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BACK TO THE FIRST ONE.IF AN OFFICER'S ARRESTED FOR DUI, WE WOULD DISCLOSE THE SAME INFORMATION THAT WE WOULD FOR IF ANYONE ELSE IS ARRESTED.
SO WE WOULD JUST TREAT THEM AS WE WOULD ANYONE ELSE.
AND WITH THAT, IF SOMEONE TERMINATED FOR CAUSE THERE ARE CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE WE NEED TO REPORT THAT TO POST AND FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES, THEY ARE REQUIRED, BUT AS FAR AS, MOST OF THEM ALWAYS HAVE CONDUCT BACKGROUND CHECKS AND THEY WOULD SIGN WAIVERS AND THE INVESTIGATOR WOULD COME AND REVIEW THEIR, INVESTIGATE THEIR ENTIRE PERSONNEL FILE HERE.
IF AN OFFICER IS CHARGE OR NOW IT'S THE LAW, BUT IF AN OFFICER IS ALLEGED TO HAVE CONDUCT COMMITTED MISCONDUCT OF SOME SORT, AND WE CONDUCT AN INVESTIGATION AND THE OFFICER LEAVES THE CITY EMPLOYMENT, WE WILL STILL COMPLETE THAT INVESTIGATION.
AND THAT WOULD STILL BE PART OF THE OFFICER'S PERSONNEL FILE THAT THE NEXT AGENCY WOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO REVIEW WITH THE OFFICER'S CONSENT.
I JUST DID OUR, YEAH, SO THE, THE OTHER THING THAT LEGISLATIVELY CHANGED IN THE LAST YEAR, UM, ANYTIME THERE'S A SEPARATION IN EMPLOYMENT STATUS FOR A PEACE OFFICER ON TIME OF, UH, INITIAL HIRING, RESIGNATION, SEPARATION, TERMINATION, ET CETERA, WE ARE REQUIRED TO NOTIFY POSTS WITHIN 10 DAYS.
AND IF YOU'RE HIRING SOMEONE, YOU HAVE TO QUERY POST AND FIND WHAT BASICALLY IF THEY'RE COMING FROM ANOTHER AGENCY, WHAT THEIR STATUS WAS WHEN THEY SEPARATED.
SO IN ADDITION TO THE RECORDS KEEPING THAT EVERY AGENCY DOES AND COMPLETING INVESTIGATIONS, WHICH IS OUR PRACTICE HERE TO ALWAYS COME TO A FINDING AND MAKE SURE ALL OF OUR RECORDS ARE COMPLETE, YOU'RE ALSO PROMPTED TO DO AND ENSURE THAT THOSE SCREENINGS ARE COMPLETED AND THEN REPORT TO POST THAT YOU'VE DONE THAT THEY VERIFY THOSE THINGS.
AND SO THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE PROCESS OF CALLED, UM, CERTIFICATION OR DE-CERTIFICATION.
SO THERE'S QUALIFYING OFFENSES AND SEPARATIONS THAT INDICATE SOMEONE WOULD BE DE-CERTIFIED POTENTIALLY.
AND THAT'S REVIEWED AND IDENTIFIED THROUGH POST, WHICH IS THE PEACE OFFICER STANDARDS AND TRAINING.
UH, SO THEY'RE THE STATE REGULATORY AGENCY THAT, UH, ENACTS LEGISLATION REGULATIONS ON OUR RECRUITMENT HIRING STANDARDS.
THEY DEVELOP, UH, THE ACADEMY CURRICULUM, UH, ALL OF OUR TRAINING GENERALLY USE OF FORCE, FIREARMS, ARREST AND CONTROL.
THOSE THINGS ARE REVIEWED AND AUDITED BY OUR POST REPRESENTATIVE ENSURING THAT WE'RE MODELING ADHERING TO PROPER PROCEDURES THERE.
AND THEY ALSO, UH, MAINTAIN OUR BACKGROUND REQUIREMENTS AND THEN AUDIT OUR BACKGROUND INVESTIGATIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ADHERING TO THOSE REGULATIONS.
UH, DEPUTY CHIEF MCGOWAN HAS A COMMENT AS WELL.
UH, IN ADDITION TO THE POST WEBSITE AND DECERTIFICATION, WE'RE REQUIRED TO QUERY AND SEARCH THE NATIONAL DECERTIFICATION INDEX, UM, WHICH WILL SHOW IF ANY LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER IS TRYING TO COME TO CALIFORNIA FROM ANOTHER JURISDICTION, UH, THEY'LL BE INELIGIBLE TO BECOME CERTIFIED IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.
AND ANY OFFICER THAT IS DE-CERTIFIED OR UM, NO LONGER ELIGIBLE TO BE A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, WILL ALSO BE ENTERED INTO THAT SAME INDEX.
UH, SO THEY'RE INELIGIBLE TO TRANSFER STATES AND GAIN EMPLOYMENT AS A POLICE OFFICER.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON PUBLIC RECORDS ACT AND OFFICER PERSONNEL FILES? IS JEFF WITH OUR IPA READY? I AM.
I'LL WAIT FOR THE, UH, DECK TO BE PUT UP, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE WITH YOU ALL.
UH, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO MAY HAVE FORGOTTEN, MY NAME IS JEFF SCHLANGER, I'M THE PRESIDENT AND CEO OF INTEGRA SHERE.
AND, UH, AS YOU'LL SEE, AND THE FIRST SLIDE WHEN WE GO TO IT ON APRIL 18TH.
ONE MOMENT, JEFF, WE'RE HAVING A MOUSE PROBLEM.
UH, APRIL 18TH OF, UH, 2023, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL FILLED A POSITION, UH, FOR THE INDEPENDENT POLICE AUDITOR.
THE IPA, UH, FOR THE CITY OF PETALUMA, MYSELF AND INTEGRU, UH, WERE SELECTED AND WE BEGAN WORK ON THE FOLLOWING DAY.
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AND, UH, WHAT WE DO, UH, IS DIRECTED, UH, BY THE CONTRACTUAL SCOPE OF WORK, WHICH IS DERIVED FROM THE LEGISLATION WHICH ENABLED OUR POSITION.AND, UH, WE WORK AT THE DIRECTION OF THE CITY MANAGER AND, UH, WE WORK WITH AND, UH, ALONGSIDE OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
OUR PHILOSOPHY, AND THIS IS NOT JUST IN PETALUMA, UM, BUT IN ALL OF THE ASSIGNMENTS THAT WE HAVE, IS TO BRING ABOUT CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT, UH, UH, OF, UH, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THROUGH A PROCESS THAT WE CALL COLLABORATIVE OVERSIGHT.
AND COLLABORATIVE OVERSIGHT IS REALLY NOTHING MORE, UH, THAN A TYPE OF OVERSIGHT IN WHICH WE WORK, UH, WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DIRECTLY, UH, AND ATTEMPT TO INSTILL A PHILOSOPHY OF CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT IN THAT DEPARTMENT.
AND WHAT DOES CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT MEAN? I THINK EVERYONE HERE KNOWS WHAT IT MEANS.
IT MEANS ALWAYS TRYING TO TO GET BETTER.
UM, I'VE WORKED AT NYPD FOR THREE YEARS AS THE FIRST DEPUTY COMMISSIONER OF RISK MANAGEMENT AND THE COMMISSIONER WHO I WORKED UNDER, UH, HAD A SAYING THAT WE ARE GREAT AT SOME THINGS THAT WE ARE GOOD AT OTHERS, BUT WE CAN ALWAYS GET BETTER AT EVERYTHING WE DO.
AND THAT REALLY IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
AND WE'RE TRYING TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE WANT TO FACILITATE TRUST, UH, BETWEEN THE PETALUMA COMMUNITY AND THE DEPARTMENT, AND ENSURE THAT THE OPERATIONS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT REFLECT COMMUNITY VALUES, UH, AND TO PROVIDE ASSURANCE TO THE COMMUNITY AND CITY, UH, LEADERS, UH, THAT THEIR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS OPERATING PURSUANT TO BEST PRACTICES.
WHAT EXACTLY DO WE DO? UM, NUMBER ONE, WE REVIEW POLICIES AND TRAINING TO ENSURE THAT THEY COMPORT WITH BEST PRACTICE.
NEXT, WE REVIEW CRITICAL ASPECTS OF PPDS OPERATIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE BEING CONDUCTED PROMPTLY, IMPARTIALLY, AND FAIRLY.
UM, AND THE ICONS ON THE LEFT OF THAT BULLET POINT, UH, REPRESENT THE TYPE OF INCIDENTS THAT WE REVIEW.
WE REVIEW COMPLAINTS, WE REVIEW USES OF FORCE, WE REVIEW PURSUITS, AND WE REVIEW, UH, CRITICAL INCIDENTS LIKE OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTINGS.
UM, WE HAVE ASSISTED IN THE CREATION AND OPERATION OF WHAT WAS FORMALLY KNOWN AS THE PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORY GROUP, NOW KNOW, NOW KNOWN AS THE PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
AND WE REPORT ANNUALLY TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY ON OUR WORK.
AND IN FACT, THIS PRESENTATION IS THE PRESENTATION THAT WE, UH, GAVE AFTER OUR FIRST, UM, CALENDAR YEAR OF WORK, WHICH WAS, UH, NOT A FULL CAL CALENDAR YEAR, BUT STARTED ON APRIL 19TH.
I'M GONNA STOP SHARING FOR ONE MOMENT SO I CAN SWITCH THE DECK AND HAVE IT BE ON PRESENTATION MODE.
UM, I THINK WE ARE A COUPLE BEYOND THIS.
UH, AGAIN, WE REVIEW POLICIES AND TRAINING.
UM, WE REVIEW THOSE POLICIES AND TRAINING AS THEY COME UP IN PARTICULAR INCIDENTS, WHICH WE ARE REVIEWING.
AND THEN WE SYSTEMATICALLY REVIEW OTHER POLICIES THAT HAVE NOT BEEN, UH, DIRECTLY IMPLICATED IN THOSE REVIEWS.
UM, WE HAVE WEEKLY MEETINGS, UH, WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, THAT JORDAN ATTENDS AS WELL.
AND WE, IN REVIEWING THESE INDIVIDUAL INCIDENTS, DISCUSS RECOMMENDATIONS
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FOR IMPROVEMENTS, UM, AND ARRIVE AT WHAT WE CALL ACAS AGREED UPON COURSE OF ACTION WITH RESPECT, UH, TO THOSE PARTICULAR RECOMMENDATIONS.IN OUR FIRST EIGHT MONTHS OF OPERATION, WE REVIEWED THE BODY-WORN CAMERA POLICY, THE HANDCUFFING POLICY, THE PURSUIT POLICY, THE POLICY ON PROFANITY, THE POLICY ON INTERNAL INVESTIGATIONS AND DISCIPLINARY PROCEDURES, AND BIAS BASED POLICING.
UM, OUR OPERATIONAL REVIEWS AND ASSESSMENTS, UH, AGAIN, THESE ARE OF PURSUIT INCIDENTS AND USES OF FORCE.
AND WHEN WE REVIEW THOSE, UH, TYPES OF INCIDENTS, UH, WE DO SO IN A 360 DEGREE WAY.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IT MEANS THAT IF WE ARE REVIEWING A USE OF FORCE, FOR INSTANCE, THAT WE ARE NOT JUST LOOKING AT THE MOMENT THAT FORCE WAS USED, BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT EVERYTHING WHICH LED UP TO THAT USE OF FORCE AND ALL COLLATERAL ASPECTS OF THE INCIDENT ITSELF.
UM, WERE, UH, THEIR TACTICS, WHICH COULD HAVE BEEN IMPROVED, WERE OFFICERS AS PROFESSIONAL AS THEY COULD HAVE BEEN.
WERE THERE OTHER CONSTITUTIONAL, UH, RIGHTS WHICH MAY HAVE BEEN IMPACTED BY THE CONDUCT OF POLICE OFFICERS? WAS THERE A, UM, LAWFUL REASON TO BE ENGAGED WITH THE, UH, SUBJECT OF THAT PARTICULAR INCIDENT? WE DO ALL OF THAT PURSUANT TO A RUBRIC THAT WE HAVE.
WE PRODUCE A REPORT ON EACH INCIDENT THAT WE REVIEW.
WE SHARE THAT REPORT WITH THE DEPARTMENT A FEW DAYS BEFORE OUR WEEKLY MEETING.
AND, UH, AGAIN, WE REVIEW, UH, THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THE DEPARTMENT ON THAT WEEKLY BASIS.
THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE AGREED UPON ARE THEN TRACKED FOR COMPLIANCE.
THESE ARE THE OPERATIONAL REVIEWS AND ASSESSMENTS THAT WE DID, UH, IN OUR FIRST, UH, CALENDAR YEAR OF OPERATION.
THAT IS 2023, AND THAT WAS 26 COMPLAINTS AND WHAT ARE CALLED OTTS, UH, 67 USES OF FORCE AND 16 PURSUITS.
FORTUNATELY, THERE WERE NO CRITICAL INCIDENTS.
ON THE COMPLAINTS AGAIN, UH, TWO INTERNAL AFFAIRS COMPLAINTS, 24 OTTS.
IN TERMS OF, UH, OUR INTERACTION, UH, WITH, UH, THE DEPARTMENT, THEY AGREED WITH ALL OUR INVESTIGATIVE FINDINGS, AND THERE WERE TWO RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE MADE RELATIVE TO HOW THE PROCESS, UH, THE, THAT IS THE DISCIPLINARY, UH, PROCESS AND THE INVESTIGATIVE PROCESS, UH, COULD BE IMPROVED.
UM, AGAIN, WE REVIEWED 68 USES OR DISPLAYS OF FORCE JUST TO, UH, GIVE YOU A LITTLE INFORMATION ON THAT.
A USE OF FORCE IS WHEN FU FORCE IS ACTUALLY USED.
A DISPLAY OF FORCE IS WHEN A WEAPON IS DRAWN, UH, AND DISPLAYED TOWARD AN INDIVIDUAL, UM, BUT NOT USED.
UM, THERE WERE NO DISAGREEMENTS WITH RESPECT FOR ANY OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR REMEDIATIONS THAT WE MADE.
UM, AND AGAIN, WE ARE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW THE INCIDENTS COULD HAVE BEEN HANDLED BETTER DIFFERENTLY, UM, PURSUANT TO THAT 360 DEGREE, UH, REVIEW.
ANOTHER WAY OF, UH, SAYING THAT IS WHETHER OR NOT ANY GIVEN INCIDENT, UH, COULD HAVE POTENTIALLY YIELDED A BETTER OUTCOME, UH, THROUGH DIFFERENT, UH, ASPECTS OF POLICE CONDUCT.
THERE WERE, AGAIN, NO DISAGREEMENTS WITH RESPECT, UH, FOR ANY OF OUR RECOMMENDED REMEDIATIONS.
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UM, AGAIN, THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOCUSED ON HOW THAT PARTICULAR INCIDENT COULD HAVE BEEN, UH, HANDLED BETTER, UM, AND ACHIEVED A BETTER OUTCOME.UH, WITH REGARD, SORRY, WITH REGARD TO, UH, PURSUITS, UM, OF NOTE IS THE FACT THAT THERE WAS A SUBSTANTIAL POLICY REVISION, UH, WHICH WAS SELF-INITIATED, UM, BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND INCORPORATED BEST PRACTICES AS, UH, SUBSEQUENTLY PUBLISHED BY THE POLICE EXECUTIVE, UH, RESEARCH FOUNDATION.
UM, WE ALSO, AGAIN, HELPED IN THE ESTABLISHMENT OF YOUR, UM, YOUR GROUP.
AND, UH, WE ARE DEVELOPING AND IMPLEMENTING, UH, A TRAINING CURRICULUM.
IN THE COMING MONTHS, WE WILL ADVISE OF FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS MADE TO PPD.
WE ARE OBVIOUSLY ATTENDING, UH, MEETINGS.
AND BY THE WAY, WITH ME TONIGHT IS DENISE LEWIS WHO'S ON THE SCREEN.
UM, AND WE WILL COLLABORATE ON AN ANNUAL WORK PLAN WITH YOU.
WE REPORT OUR FINDINGS, UH, ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, UH, TO BOTH THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY.
IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE PUBLIC INFORMATION, WHICH IS CONTAINED IN OUR REPORTS, AND JORDAN CAN SPEAK, UH, MORE DIRECTLY TO THIS AS GOVERNED BY CALIFORNIA LAW, UM, AND PURSUANT TO SOME OF THE THINGS WHICH WERE DISCUSSED, UH, IN HER PRESENTATION THIS EVENING.
UM, JUST OUR 2024 WORK PLAN, UH, CONTINUATION OF THOSE CURRENT PROTOCOLS, WHICH I JUST REVIEWED.
UM, WE WILL BE CONDUCTING AN ANALYSIS OF THE RACIAL AND IDENTIFY I IDENTITY PROFILING ACT RIPA.
UM, AND WE WILL BE CONDUCTING WHAT WE CALL A DETAILED ANALYSIS OF TOUR ACTIVITY, UM, WHICH IS AN AUDIT OF A FIXED PERIOD OF TIME, UM, USUALLY A DAY OR TWO OF THE DEPARTMENT IN WHICH WE NUMBER ONE, LOOK FOR COMPLIANCE IN CERTAIN AREAS LIKE BODY-WORN CAMERA COMPLIANCE, THE COMPLETION OF RIP REFORMS. UM, AND WE ALSO LOOK AT THE TYPES OF INCIDENTS, UH, WHICH OCCUR, WHICH ARE NOT REVIEWED IN OUR CURRENT PROTOCOL.
SO WE LOOK AT INCIDENTS, FOR INSTANCE, TRAFFIC CITATIONS, WHICH DON'T RESULT IN AN ARREST, UM, OR A USE OF FORCE OR A PURSUIT, I SHOULDN'T SAY ARREST.
WE, IN THE DETAILED ANALYSIS OF TOUR ACTIVITY, WE WILL LOOK AT ARRESTS WHICH HAVE NOT USED FORCE, UM, OR DIDN'T INVOLVE A PURSUIT WHERE WE WOULD OTHERWISE, UH, BE LOOKING AT.
I THINK SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW THAT, UH, WITH REGARD TO EVERY STOP, UH, OFFICERS ARE REQUIRED TO FILL OUT WHAT IS CALLED A RIP OF FORM.
THE DATA IS COLLECTED, UH, BY THE DEPARTMENT.
UM, IT INCLUDES WHAT PRECIPITATED THE STOP AND WHAT POST STOP ACTION, UH, THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN WITH RESPECT TO THAT STOP, UH, THE RACIAL, UH, AND ETHNIC DEMOGRAPHICS OF THAT STOP ARE, UH, GATHERED AS WELL.
AND, UH, WE CREATE A, A VISUAL REPRESENTATION OF ALL OF THAT DATA, UH, FOR THE DEPARTMENT FIRST TO DISCUSS WITH THE DEPARTMENT, AND ULTIMATELY, WE WILL BE MAKING THOSE FINDINGS PUBLIC AS WELL.
I THINK I TALKED ABOUT THE, UH, DATA AUDIT.
UH, THAT IS THE END OF THE PRESENTATION.
HAPPY TO, UH, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE AT THIS TIME.
I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO THE COMMITTEE IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS,
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UH, REGARDING THE PRESENTATION.I JUST HAVE ONE, UH, TOUR ACTIVITY IS JUST EVERYTHING THAT THE POLICE DO.
WHEN WE SAY TOUR ACTIVITY, WHAT WE DO ACTUALLY IS, UH, REQUEST DATA FROM THE DEPARTMENT.
UM, AND THAT DATA INCLUDES, UH, COMPUTER AID OR DISPATCH DATA.
IT INCLUDES SUMMONSES ARRESTS, UM, WHEN I SAY SUMMONSES, BOTH TRAFFIC AND CRIMINAL SUMMONSES, UH, USES OF FORCE PURSUITS.
AND WE LINE UP THAT DATA AND BODY-WORN CAMERA DATA AS WELL.
LINE THAT UP, LOOK AT THE DAYS ACTIVITIES, UM, AND THEN REVIEW BODY-WORN CAMERA DATA, UH, TO AGAIN, ENSURE OURSELVES AND THE COMMUNITY THAT EVEN IN THOSE INSTANCES, THAT THERE IS NO FORCE USE AND, UH, THERE MAY NOT BE A PURSUIT, UH, THAT PETALUMA OFFICERS ARE OPERATING IN THE WAY THAT THE COMMUNITY WOULD EXPECT.
UH, THAT ONE, ONE, UH, IS A MENTIONED.
NOW, THIS WASN'T COVERED IN THE PRESENTATION JUST NOW, BUT IT WAS IN THE, UH, STAFF REPORT.
UH, AND, UM, IT MENTIONED, UH, THE USE OF SPANISH SPEAKING OFFICERS FOR SUB, UM, UM, CONTACTS THAT, THAT WERE MORE COMFORTABLE IN SPANISH THAN IN ENGLISH.
AND I WAS WONDERING, UH, IF, UH, SOMEONE COULD BRIEFLY, UH, MAYBE NOT TODAY, MAYBE JUST ANOTHER TIME, I'M NOT SURE.
BUT, UH, UM, TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW THAT DECISION IS MADE AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, UH, UM, IS IT A HUNDRED? IS IT, YOU KNOW, DO WE ALWAYS HAVE SOMEONE THAT CAN RESPOND TO THAT PERSON ON, ON, ON DUTY? SURE.
I'LL, I'LL ATTEMPT TO ANSWER THAT.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS UP HERE, RIGHT? ONE, YOU HAVE STAFF AVAILABLE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UM, SO THE FLOOR REALLY IS YOURS, SO FEEL FREE ON THIS TOPIC OR SOME OTHER CONVERSATIONS.
THIS IS EXACTLY THE FORUM FOR THESE TYPE OF QUESTIONS THAT WE WELCOME.
UH, SO SPECIFICALLY ABOUT HOW DO WE ENGAGE WITH MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE SPANISH SPEAKING? UH, WE HAVE A VARIETY OF WAYS.
UM, WE DO HAVE, UH, A A NUMBER OF OFFICERS, INCREASINGLY MORE AND MORE, SOME WHO ARE NOW NATIVE, UH, SPANISH SPEAKING AS A FIRST LANGUAGE.
UM, AND THEN MANY INDIVIDUALS LIKE MYSELF THAT ARE BILINGUAL, THE CITY HAS A, UH, BILINGUAL TESTING PROCESS AND CERTIFICATION PROGRAM FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE BOTH CONVERSATIONAL AND FLUENT.
UM, AND SO WE ENCOURAGE OUR STAFF, UM, AND PROVIDE TRAINING ON RECOGNIZING INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE DIFFERENT COMMUNICATION STYLES OR, OR OTHER, UM, YOU KNOW, BEYOND JUST, UH, COMMUNICATIONS, WE ENCOUNTER INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE, UM, DISABILITIES OR DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES, AND WE HAVE TO ENGAGE WITH ANYONE IN THOSE SITUATIONS DIFFERENTLY.
UM, AND SO OUR STAFF ATTEMPT TO RECOGNIZE THOSE OFTEN BECAUSE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF OUR CALLS ARE GENERATED THROUGH OUR COMMUNICATION CENTER.
WE ALREADY HAVE A PRE INDICATION THAT SOMEONE MAY BE IN NEED OF TRANSLATION SERVICES.
OUR DISPATCHERS HAVE ACCESS 24 7 TO AN INTERPRETIVE SERVICE, UM, THAT THEY CAN INTEGRATE INTO THE CALL FOR SERVICE.
AND A TRANSLATOR WOULD JOIN THE CALL AND THEY CAN SERVICE THAT CALL FOR SERVICE WITH ANY LANGUAGE.
I THINK THERE'S HUNDREDS OF DIFFERENT LANGUAGES ON THERE.
UM, AND WE WILL PROMPT AND ADVISE THE OFFICERS THAT THE INDIVIDUALS ARE SPANISH SPEAKING.
UM, AND GENERALLY, AND I SAY THAT GENERALLY WE, WE OFTEN HAVE A SPANISH SPEAKING OFFICER.
SOMETIMES THE CHALLENGE IS THEY'RE COMMITTED TO ANOTHER CALL AND WE'LL MAKE ARRANGEMENTS OR TRY OUR BEST TO GET THE OFFICER DIVERTED TO GO OVER THERE, OR THE OFFICERS HAVE ACCESS TO DEPARTMENT CELL PHONES THAT THEY CAN CALL AN INTERPRETER SERVICE.
UM, WE HAVE TRAINING AIDS THROUGHOUT THE DEPARTMENT FOR GENERAL, UM, DIRECTIONS, COMMONLY USED PHRASES, UM, BECAUSE CANDIDLY, ONE OF THE, THE MOST CHALLENGING SITUATIONS IS, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE INTERACTIONS ARE VOLATILE AND COMPLICATED AND, AND, UH, OR AN INDIVIDUAL'S ARMED.
AND IT'S NOT A SETTING WHERE AN OFFICER CAN BE HOLDING A CELL PHONE TRYING TO TRANSLATE WITH SOMEONE.
UM, BUT THOSE ARE THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WE WORK WITH OUR SAFE TEAM, WHICH IS ONE OF THE MOST CULTURALLY COMPETENT, DIVERSE WORKFORCES THAT HAVE BILINGUAL SPEAKERS ON EVERY SHIFT.
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A SERVICE, WE USE OUR LANGUAGE LINE, WE LEVERAGE OUR BILINGUAL OFFICERS.AND THEN IN THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE THOSE RESOURCES AREN'T IMMEDIATELY AVAILABLE, WE CREATE TIME AND DISTANCE AND COME UP WITH A PLAN AND TRY TO INTRODUCE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE THAT SETTING.
UM, AND BEYOND JUST SPANISH, WE HAVE OFFICERS, UM, THAT SPEAK FARSI, PUNJABI, GERMAN, UM, TAGALOG, TRYING TO THINK.
SO WE INCREASINGLY ARE RECOGNIZING A DIVERSE WORKFORCE IN OUR OWN, UM, POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UH, DOES THE PETLAND POLICE DEPARTMENT OR THE COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT HAVE ACCESS TO A MENTAL HEALTH MOBILE CRISIS UNIT? I, I BELIEVE THAT WAS ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IS THAT NOT ALL POLICE CALLS REQUIRE POLICE OFFICERS WHO MAY, HAVING A MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS ISSUED.
DOES THE PAL POLICE DEPARTMENT HAVE A GROUP THAT DOES THAT? YEAH, YEAH.
SO, NOTABLY, I THINK IN, IN ONE OF THE FUTURE MEETINGS, WE HAD TENTATIVELY CREATED AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS OUR COMMUNITY HEALTH OUTREACH MODEL, WHICH INCLUDES, UM, BOTH OUR SERVICE FIRST DELIVERY FOR OUR SHELTERLESS COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO OUR MOBILE CRISIS INTERVENTION TEAM, WHICH IS FOCUSED ON INDIVIDUALS EXPERIENCING CRISIS AS A RESULT OF ADDICTION, SUBSTANCE ABUSE, BEING SHELTERLESS OR FOR MENTAL HEALTH.
UM, SO WE WERE, UM, THE FIRST COMMUNITY IN SONOMA COUNTY TO IMPLEMENT A MOBILE CRISIS INTERVENTION TEAM.
UH, WE HAVE BEEN AND CONTINUE TO BE THE ONLY 24 7 FUNCTIONING TEAM.
WE STARTED IN 2021, JULY OF 2021.
BY OCTOBER OF 2021, WE WERE FULLY FUNCTIONAL 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, AND HAVE BEEN SO EVER SINCE.
UM, SO WE'VE HANDLED IN OUR REGION NOW THAT THE PROGRAM HAS SCALED TO, FROM PETALUMA, PETALUMA TEAM SERVICE BY PETALUMA PEOPLE SERVICES OPERATES IN ROANOKE PARK, TATI, UH, SAN RAFAEL ON THE SONOMA STATE CAMPUS, AND HAS BEEN INQUIRED BY A NUMBER OF OTHER COMMUNITIES.
SO WE'VE SERVICED OVER 15,000 CALLS FOR SERVICE AND HAVE SEEN REALLY REMARKABLE RESULTS.
AND, AND HOPEFULLY THAT IN ALONE OF ITSELF IS A COMPLETE CONVERSATION THAT WE WELCOME BRINGING HERE TO THE COMMITTEE AND HAVING MEMBERS OF THE SAFE TEAM DISCUSS EXACTLY WHAT THEY DO IN CRISIS INTERVENTION WORK.
UH, ONE MORE, I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO SAY ABOUT THE SAFE TEAM.
AND BECAUSE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE A COMMUNITY RESOURCE, AND IF ANYBODY IS TUNING IN OUT THERE, UM, WHEN YOU, IF YOU CALL THE NINE ONE NINE NINE ONE ONE NUMBER, YOU COULD ACTUALLY ASK FOR SAFE TO COME, YOU KNOW, TO ASK THE DISPATCHER TO SEND SOMEONE FROM THE SAFE TEAM VERSUS SOMEONE FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SO IT'S KIND OF A GOOD THING TO KNOW.
AND MAYBE I'LL GIVE YOU JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A TICKLER ON THE TOPIC, BUT I DON'T WANNA MISS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PLUG THE PROGRAM.
SO IF YOU CALL 9 1 1, IT'S SERVICED THROUGH THE COMMUNICATION CENTER.
THEY OPERATE ON OUR RADIO SYSTEM AND OUR MOBILE DATA COMPUTERS.
SO THE CALLS, THE POLICE OFFICERS HERE, THE SAFE TEAM OFFICERS HERE AS WELL, AND THEY CAN SAY, THAT'S A CALL APPROPRIATE FOR US, OR WE WANT TO GO TO, AND WE WELCOME THAT ASSISTANCE.
BUT YOU CAN ALSO, AS A COMMUNITY MEMBER, CALL 7 8 1 1 2 3 4 7 8 1 1 2 3 4, AND DIRECTLY CONNECT WITH THE SAFE TEAM.
UM, OFTENTIMES BECAUSE OF CONCERN OF THEIR SAFETY AND THE SAFETY OF THEIR STAFF, THERE'S PROMPTING QUESTIONS FROM THE, UH, CALL TAKER ABOUT, ARE THERE WEAPONS INVOLVED? ARE THEY GONNA HARM THEMSELVES? ARE THEY GONNA HARM SOMEONE ELSE? WE DON'T WANNA SEND OUR CRISIS INTERVENTION WORKERS INTO ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS.
UM, BUT SOMETIMES COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE HESITANT TO PROVIDE INFORMATION AND THEY WANT TO TALK TO, TO THE SAFE TEAM DIRECTLY.
SO SOME OF THOSE SITUATIONS ARE, UM, OFFER MAYBE LESS AND COMMUNICATE THAT TO THE SAFE TEAM.
AND THEN THE SAFE TEAM RECOGNIZES THE, THE CHALLENGES IN THOSE SITUATIONS.
AND IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT PROMPTS THEIR CONCERNS, THEY'LL REPORT THAT BACK TO US, AND THEY ATTEND OUR BRIEFINGS AND WE WORK REALLY, REALLY WELL SYMBIOTICALLY.
UH, ONE MORE FOLLOW UP QUESTION.
DOES THE SAFE TEAM, IF THERE ARE SORT OF COMPLAINTS OR AFTER INCIDENT REPORTS, DOES THAT GO TO THE SAME, UH, INDEPENDENT POLICE AUDIT AUDITOR INTO JUROR? LIKE, WILL THAT BE PART OF THAT, UM, AUDITING OF RESPONSES AND THE REPORT THAT WE GET? SO, UM, I, I WILL ATTEMPT TO ANSWER A PORTION OF THAT, AND THEN I'D LIKE TO KICK SOME OF THIS RESPONSE TO OUR INDEPENDENT POLICE AUDITORS.
SO THE FIRST PART IS, UH, THE SAFE TEAM EMPLOYEES ARE ACTUALLY NOT CITY EMPLOYEES.
THEY'RE EMPLOYEES OF THE PETALUMA PEOPLE SERVICES, AND WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THEM.
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THAT CONTRACT.IF THERE WAS A COMPLAINT ABOUT THEIR STAFF, UM, I WOULD ASSUME THAT THAT COMPLAINT WOULD COME INTO US AND WE WOULD TRIAGE IT AND ADDRESS IT.
SIMILARLY, IN COORDINATION WITH THEIR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, AT LEAST HEMPELL AND THEIR PROGRAM MANAGER, AZIZ MAJID, UM, AND, AND ADDRESS THE BEHAVIORS, THERE'S A LOT MORE FLEXIBILITY THEY WOULD HAVE AS A CONTRACTOR THAN, THAN A GOVERNMENT AGENCY, UM, IN ADDRESSING SOME OF THOSE THINGS.
AND THEN JEFF, UM, MAYBE YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS REALLY THE LENS, UH, HOW WE'RE REVIEWING USE OF FORCE RESPONSE AND INCORPORATING THE SAFE TEAM AND, UH, UH, ENSURING THAT WE'RE PROPERLY USING AND, AND REQUESTING THAT SURE.
THAT RESOURCE TO MANY OF OUR CALLS, HAPPY TO, UH, AGAIN, IN OUR 360 DEGREE REVIEW.
AND WHERE THE SAFE TEAM MOST OFTEN COMES UP IS IN USES OF FORCE.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY, MENTAL HEALTH AND, UH, THE NEED TO USE FORCE SOMETIMES GO HAND IN HAND.
UM, AND WE LOOK AT THOSE, UH, INCIDENTS IN WHICH SAFE HAS BEEN USED, AND WE LOOK AT INCIDENTS IN WHICH SAFE HASN'T BEEN USED, UH, AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS RELATIVE TO THEIR, THEIR USE.
UH, THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS, UH, OVER THE PAST YEAR, UM, WHERE WE HAVE TALKED TO THE DEPARTMENT ABOUT, UH, THE POTENTIAL FOR THE USE OF SAFE IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES.
AND I THINK AS A RESULT OF, UH, THOSE CONVERSATIONS, UM, THE DEPARTMENT HAS, UM, THOUGHT ABOUT AND IMPLEMENTED, UH, CHANGES TO, TO SOME OF THE PROTOCOLS AND THOSE, UH, THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES WHICH WOULD YIELD A SAFE RESPONSE IN ADDITION TO A POLICE RESPONSE AND HOW THEY WOULD BE STAGED AND, UM, THE, THE, UH, THE WAY IN WHICH THEY WOULD INTERACT WITH THE SUBJECT.
SO WE ARE CONSTANTLY LOOKING AT THAT, CONSTANTLY, UH, LOOKING TO, UM, TO, TO MAKE THE MOST USE OF SAFE THAT WE POSSIBLY CAN, UM, FOR THE REASONS THAT ARE OBVIOUS.
AND THAT IS THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE UNDERGOING MENTAL HEALTH CRISES, UM, OFTEN RESPOND POORLY TO POLICE OFFICERS AND, UH, CAN RESPOND BETTER TO, UH, A, A NON-POLICE, UH, PRESENCE.
BUT AS BRIAN MENTIONED, OBVIOUSLY THE SAFETY OF, UH, THE SAFETY, UH, THE SAFETY OF INDIVIDUALS WHO MIGHT BE INVOLVED IN AN INCIDENT AND THE SAFETY OF OFFICERS, UM, ALWAYS HAS TO BE CONSIDERED IN THOSE DECISIONS.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE COMMITTEE ABOUT THE REPORT OR FOR THE STAFF? I'M, I AM, I THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA ACTUALLY BE DIS OH, DID I NOT DO IT? OH, IS THAT OKAY? SORRY.
UM, I THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA ACTUALLY BE DISCUSSING THE REPORTS.
IS THAT, IS THIS A GOOD TIME OR NOT? THAT IS A HUNDRED PERCENT EXACTLY WHAT THIS IS FOR.
THIS IS, THIS IS THE COMMITTEE'S TIME STAFF HAS PRESENTED THE TOPICS AND THE DIALOGUE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, OPEN FORUM 'EM.
SO I, UM, I WAS AROUND WHEN THE, THE AUDITOR INTRODUCED ITS ANNUAL REPORT, AND THEN THE ADDENDUM, I WAS REALLY HAPPY THAT THE CITY COUNCIL ASKED THE AUDITOR FOR THE IDENTICAL REPORT.
IT WAS SPECIAL, ESPECIALLY TO ADDRESS WHY FOR THE REPORTING PERIOD, THE, THAT PEOPLE OF COLOR WERE TWICE AS LIKELY TO EXPERIENCE THE USE OF OR SHOW A FORCE THAN WHITE PEOPLE.
UM, AND THE AUDITOR LOOKED INTO THIS AND LOOKED INTO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BIAS AND DISPARITIES AND, UH, UH, CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT THERE WAS NO BIAS IN OUR CITY'S POLICING.
I JUST WANTED TO, I THINK I SAW THIS TO, UM, JEFF AT THE, WHEN I DID PUBLIC COMMENT AT THAT FIRST MEETING, AT THE START OF THIS PROCESS, AGAIN, THERE WAS LISTENING CIRCLES AND, UM, THOSE LI LISTENING CIRCLES WERE REALLY TAKING INTO ACCOUNT COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND A LOT OF THEM, AND, UM, ASKING, UH, DIFFERENT GROUPS OF PEOPLE ABOUT THEIR EXPERIENCES OF, UM, THEIR INTERACTIONS WITH POLICE.
AND IT WAS VERY, VERY, VERY CLEAR THAT, UM, DIFFERENT, UM, THAT PEOPLE OF COLOR WERE EXPERIENCING D DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT, UM, INTERACTIONS WITH POLICE THAN WHITE PEOPLE WERE.
AND SO, EVEN IF NO BIAS EXISTS, THERE'S A PERCE PERCEPTION OF BIAS AND IT DOES LINGER.
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EXAMPLE THAT I RECENTLY READ ON SOCIAL MEDIA THAT A SOCIAL, A LOCAL FATHER HAD BROUGHT HIS DAUGHTER DOWNTOWN TO PERFORM MUSIC, TO GET EXPERIENCE, UM, PLAYING IN FRONT OF PEOPLE.WE'VE ALL SEEN THE, THE, THE KIDS OUT THERE.
UM, WELL, THE DAUGHTER PRESENTS AS WHITE AND THE FATHER IS BROWN, UM, OF MEXICAN ANCESTRY.
AND SOMEONE CALLED THE POLICE ON THEM.
UH, AN OFFICER RESPONDED AND FIRST THING ASKED IF THE FATHER WAS A FATHER, WHICH THE FATHER DID NOT THINK WOULD'VE BEEN ASKED IF HE SHARED THE SAME SKIN COLOR WITH HIS DAUGHTER NOW, ALTHOUGH THE FATHER DEFINITELY SAID THE OFFICER WAS POLITE, HE WROTE, AND THIS IS A QUOTATION GOING THROUGH THIS LEAVES A BAD TASTE AND FEELING IN MY HEART, IT WAS EMBARRASSING, EVEN THOUGH I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING.
NOW I HAVE TO SHAKE THE WEIRD FEELING WALKING AROUND WITH MY OWN DAUGHTER IN THIS TOWN.
JUST THINK WE NEED TO LIKE, KIND OF KNOW THAT OUR DIFFERENT PEOPLE ARE EXPERIENCING THESE DIFFERENT THINGS, EVEN IF NOT INTENTIONAL.
THE OTHER THING, I, I KNOW THIS, THE REPORTS WERE SUBMITTED TO THE CITY, UM, COUNCIL MONTHS AGO, AND WERE SERVED A NEW COMMITTEE.
I'M CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT'S GONNA, HOW WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO FULFILL OUR ROLE TO REVIEW, DISCUSS AND PROVIDE COMMENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL ABOUT YOUR ANNUAL REPORTS.
UM, ARE WE GONNA, IN GENERAL, GET THE ANNUAL REPORT WELL IN ADVANCE? LIKE, I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT HOW IT'S ACTUALLY GONNA WORK.
AND I TALKED TO JORDAN ABOUT THIS EARLIER, BUT JUST ON A RELATED NOTE, I'M, I'M WONDERING IF IT'S POSSIBLE FOR THIS COMMITTEE TO RECEIVE SOME KIND OF TRAINING OR EDUCATION ON HOW BEST TO FULFILL ITS, ITS ROLES AND ITS, UM, FOUNDING RESOLUTION TO PROVIDE A FORUM FOR DISCUSSIONS OF COMMUNITY CONCERNS.
UM, I KNOW WE'RE STARTING OUT, BUT IT JUST WOULD BE GREAT TO GET SOME DIRECTION.
AND I WAS THINKING PERHAPS SOMEONE FROM THE COUNTY'S COMMUNITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE OF AERO COULD COME TO A MEETING AND KIND OF TALK TO US ABOUT HOW, HOW BEST TO DO WHAT WE'RE DOING.
AND I THINK AS JEFF INDICATED, THE PART OF THE IPA'S CONTRACT WITH THE CITY AND THE DIRECTION THEY RECEIVED FROM THE COUNCILS TO PROVIDE TRAINING AND DIRECTION TO THE COMMITTEE, UM, THEY'VE GOT A VAST LEVEL OF EXPERIENCE.
AND JEFF, MAYBE YOU WANT TO SPEAK MORE ELOQUENTLY ABOUT THAT EXPERIENCE AND HOW YOU'VE IMPLEMENTED SIMILAR, UM, PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORY COMMITTEES AND OTHER JURISDICTIONS YOU'VE WORKED AND THE DIRECTION THAT YOU'VE RECEIVED, UH, IN YOUR CONTRACT FROM THE, THE COUNCIL AND FROM CITY MANAGER FLYNN.
YEAH, I, I THINK HERE WE HAVE TO DECIDE, UH, AMONGST OURSELVES WHAT KIND OF TRAINING, UH, YOU ALL ARE SEEKING, UH, IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS, WE HAVE PROVIDED TRAINING ON EVERYTHING FROM, UH, POLICE BEST PRACTICES TO CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING.
UM, A WIDE VARIETY OF, OF TRAINING IS, IS, IS POSSIBLE.
UM, I THINK WITH RESPECT TO WHAT THIS COMMITTEE SHOULD BE DOING, UM, I THINK THAT IS, UH, IN, IN THE CITY ATTORNEY'S, UH, BAILIWICK, I THINK IT, IT'S SOMEWHAT, UH, I DON'T WANNA SAY CONSTRAINED, BUT DICTATED BY THE LEGISLATION ITSELF.
UM, BUT WE ARE HAPPY TO, TO HELP FACILITATE TRAINING ON ANY ASPECT, UH, OF POLICING THAT YOU ALL, UM, WANT TO BE TRAINED ON.
SO, UH, WE LOOK FORWARD TO THAT.
AND, UH, I THINK THAT IN, IN COMING MEETINGS, IF WE WANT TO DEVOTE, UH, A PORTION OF TIME TO TRAINING, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT OR WE CAN PROVIDE TRAINING, UH, FOR OFFLINE CONSUMPTION, UH, BY YOU ALL THAT, UH, YOU CAN, UH, DO AT YOUR OWN LEISURE AND, UH, DIGEST IN MANY OTHER JURISDICTIONS.
AND, UH, I FORGET WHETHER WE ARE REQUIRING IT HERE.
UM, BUT THERE IS A REQUIREMENT OF RIDE-ALONGS, UH, WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, AND IN SOME JURISDICTIONS WITH FIRE DEPARTMENT AS, AS WELL, UM, IN ORDER TO ESSENTIALLY BE ABLE TO BETTER UNDERSTAND, UH, THE, THE ROLE THAT, UH, THE POLICE PLAY IN THE COMMUNITY AND TO IN EFFECT WALK IN THEIR SHOES.
AND, UH, WE HAVE HAD KIND OF RECIPROCAL TRAINING ON THE OTHER SIDE TO HELP OFFICERS WALK IN THE SHOES OF THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.
SO ALL OF THAT IS POSSIBLE HERE IN PETALUMA.
AND, UH, WE, WE JUST NEED, UH, DIRECTION FROM YOU
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ALL AND, UH, THE DEPARTMENT AND THE CITY MANAGER, AND WE'LL GET THAT DONE.CAN I ADD SOMETHING? UM, SOMETHING THAT I'VE ALREADY KIND OF, I THINK WE'VE ALL FIGURED OUT IS, UH, AS TO NOT VIOLATE THE BROWN ACT, IT IS KIND OF DIFFICULT FOR US TO COMMUNICATE OUTSIDE OF THIS VENUE.
UM, SO I THINK THAT FOR US NOT TO DUPLICATE WORK AND DO, YOU KNOW, DUPLICATIVE RESEARCH, IT MAY BE HELPFUL TO COME WITH KIND OF, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A DOZEN IDEAS, YOU'RE THE EXPERT, YOU KNOW, BEST OF, UM, OF DIFFERENT TOPICS OR TRAININGS MAYBE WE COULD CHOOSE FROM JUST AS A STARTING POINT.
UM, SINCE WE AREN'T ABLE TO KIND OF DO THAT COLLABORATIVELY BEHIND THE SCENES, THAT WOULD BE GREAT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.
UM, ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST INTERVENE A COUPLE OF THINGS WITH THE EXPERIENCE THAT WAS SHARED BY THAT FATHER.
I MEAN, I'M MEXICAN, I'M A PAL, FACE MEXICAN, BUT STILL I CAN UNDERSTAND HIS PERSPECTIVE.
AND UNFORTUNATELY THE OFFICER, AND WE WERE NOT THERE TO PRESENT THIS.
I WOULD BE ASKED TOO, ARE YOU THE FATHER OF THE KID? THE POLICE, IN MY OPINION, HAS TO ASSERT THAT THE PERSON THERE IS NOT TRYING TO HARM THE KID OR PRESSURING THE KID.
ONCE THAT'S ESTABLISHED, I THINK THAT OFFICER WILL BE MORE ABLE TO ASSESS THE SITUATION.
IT CAN BE TAKEN AS A BAD THING.
IT DEPENDS HOW IT IS ASKED, OF COURSE.
AND IT COULD BE DONE IN A VERY POORLY MANNER.
SO THAT'S ONE THING THAT, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE ALSO.
I JUST HAD AN EXPERIENCE BEFORE I LEFT PETALUMA WHERE I WAS CALLED BY, UM, THE LADY THAT RUNS THE BUSINESS FOR CLEANING HOUSES, WHERE A, UH, RECENT IMMIGRANT, UH, UNDER ASYLUM PUT A STAND OF FOOD.
AND, UH, THE LADY HAD NO LICENSE, NO HEALTH DEPARTMENT LICENSE CERTIFICATE OR ANYTHING.
AND A SHERIFF, NOT A OMA POLICE WAS EATING, UH, HER FOOD IN THIS AREA.
AND WHEN SHE WAS ASKED ABOUT IF SHE HAD A PERMIT TO BE THERE, UH, BY ONE OF THE, UH, CLIENTS, UM, SHE BASICALLY SAID, NO.
OH, WELL, SHE HAD A PERMIT FROM THE OWNER OF THE LOT TO SELL, BUT NOT THAT SHE HAD APPLIED FOR ANY PERMIT TO SELL FOOD.
AND SO THIS SHERIFF, WHICH BILINGUAL A WHITE SHERIFF, A LADY STOOD UP AND SAID, LISTEN, YOU NEED TO HAVE A HEALTH, UH, DEPARTMENT CERTIFICATION AND THIS AND THIS PERMIT.
I'M JUST GONNA WALK AWAY, BUT YOU CAN GET PEOPLE SICK AND YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE AN INSURANCE TO PROTECT YOURSELF OR THE PERSON THAT YOU CAN HURT.
AND SHE WALKED AWAY AND I WAS ASKED IF I CAN HELP HER WITH THE PROCESS.
AND I ACTUALLY HAVE CON CONTEMPLATED STUDYING A NONPROFIT TO HELP THAT.
AND I KNOW ELISE FROM PERMA PEOPLES AND EVERYTHING.
SO MY POINT IS, THERE ARE MANY IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT ARE AFRAID OF THE, NOT THE POLICE PER SE, THE POWER, THE MAYOR, THE ANYBODY THAT IS CITY AND OR GOVERNMENT FROM WHERE THE COUNTRIES THEY COME FROM.
AND THEY REFLECT THAT FEAR TO OUR SOCIETY.
NOT NECESSARILY THAT THE POLICEMEN WILL COME AND BE THREATENED, BUT THEY MIGHT COME AND SAY, HEY, LISTEN, YOU'RE VIOLATING THE LAW.
AND THEY WILL INTERPRET THAT AS AN ATTACK.
SO WE HAVE TO BE VERY, UH, FAIR AND OPEN AND UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY ARE AFRAID OF POLICE REGARDLESS OF THE SITUATION.
AND THEIR ATTITUDE WOULD BE TO RUN OR DEFEND OR ATTACK AND RUN.
AND, UH, SO IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS REAL, IT EXISTS IN OUR COMMUNITY, AS IN MANY OTHERS.
AND, UH, MAYBE THIS COULD BE INCORPORATED, UH, A LITTLE BIT IN OUR, UH, DISCUSSIONS, JEFF.
AND, AND LET ME JUST SAY ABOUT THE INCIDENT, UH, THAT WAS REFERENCED.
UM, I'VE TOLD YOU THAT WE REVIEW MCOS, WE REVIEWED THIS PARTICULAR INCIDENT.
I AM NOT ABLE TO GET INTO THE SPECIFICS OF THE REVIEW.
UM, BUT LET ME SAY JUST GENERALLY, UH, TO, TO EMPHASIZE JAVIER'S POINTS, UM, SOMETIMES PERCEPTIONS DIFFER.
UM, AND, UM, I THINK I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT, UM, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW REALLY, AND MAYBE JORDAN CAN GIVE ME SOME GUIDANCE HERE AS TO HOW MUCH, UH, CAN BE DI DIVULGED RELATIVE TO OUR REVIEW.
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JORDAN, CAN I SAY MORE THAN THAT ABOUT THIS OR, OR NOT? WELL, TYPICALLY, OH, OKAY.SO I WOULD GO BACK TO OUR PUBLIC RECORDS ACT, IF THERE'S A COMPLAINT FOR, OR IF THERE'S A CALL LIKE, HEY, CAN YOU DO A CHECK THE WELFARE? OR CAN YOU MAKE SURE THERE'S NOTHING WRONG HERE? THEN WE COULD ALWAYS DISCLOSE THE NATURE OF THE ORIGINAL COMPLAINT, SUCH AS WE WOULDN'T GIVE THE COMPLAINANT'S NAME, BUT WE RECEIVED A CALL BECAUSE OF THESE REASONS AT THIS DATE, TIME AND LOCATION OFFICERS RESPONDED TO THAT CALL AND DETERMINED THERE WAS NO CRIME.
RIGHT? SO WE COULD ALWAYS DISCLOSE THAT INFORMATION PURSUANT TO THE PUBLIC RECORDS ACT.
IF THEY MADE A COMPLAINT AGAINST THE OFFICER, THEN THAT WOULD BE CONFIDENTIAL WHILE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CONDUCTS THE INVESTIGATION.
AND I SAY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CONDUCTS INVESTIGATION, BUT THE IPA ALSO REVIEWS THAT AND GOES ALONG EVERY STEP OF THE WAY WITH US.
AND ONCE THAT INVESTIGATION IS FINALIZED, THEN WE WOULD LOOK AT TO SEE, THEN WE WOULD LOOK TO SEE WHETHER THERE'S ANYTHING TO DISCLOSE BASED ON THE CALIFORNIA PUBLIC RECORDS ACT HERE.
JEFF ALREADY SAID HE REVIEWED IT.
AND WHAT DID YOU SAY? I DIDN'T SAY MUCH MORE BEYOND THAT, OTHER THAN GENERALLY THE PERCEPTIONS CAN, UH, CAN DIFFER.
RIGHT? SO THIS CASE, I ACTUALLY DON'T KNOW THE STATUS OF THE INVESTIGATION, BUT ONCE IT'S COMPLETED, THEN IF ANY OF THESE CONDUCT, ANY OF THESE SUSTAINED FINDINGS THAT WE PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED WERE SUSTAINED, THEN WE WOULD MAKE THAT PUBLIC.
AND I, AND, AND IN THIS CASE, IN FACT, THERE WAS NO COMPLAINT AGAINST THE, UH, THE POLICE OFFICER HIMSELF, BUT WE LOOKED AT THIS INCIDENT BECAUSE OF, UH, THE NATURE OF THE COMPLAINT.
AND AGAIN, WE REVIEW EVERY INCIDENT, UH, TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS ANY INDICATION, UH, OF, OF BIAS.
UM, AND WE DID THAT IN THIS CASE AS, AS WELL.
AND I WOULD JUST OFFER, THANK YOU.
ONE, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE EXPERIENCE IN, IN SERVING OUR COMMUNITY IS WE, WE DON'T CALL THE COMMUNICATION CENTER.
AND SO UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAVE TO RECEIVE EVERY CALL AND WE RESPOND TO THEM APPROPRIATELY, LAWFULLY AND IMPARTIALLY.
UM, AND SO ESPECIALLY CALLS, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT UNCOMMON TO FIND THINGS THAT ARE FRIVOLOUSLY REPORTED, THAT ARE UNFOUNDED, THAT ARE MISREPORTED, PERCEIVED TO BE SOMETHING ELSE, OR FACTUALLY ARE A CRIMINAL VIOLATION.
UM, I THINK WE SHARE OFTEN TO THE COUNCIL THAT A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF CALLS THAT WE RESPOND TO, WE IDENTIFY THAT THERE ACTUALLY WASN'T A CRIMINAL VIOLATION, UM, OR ONE THAT CAN BE SUBSTANTIATED FOR US TO TAKE APPROPRIATE LAW ENFORCEMENT ACTION.
SO THE CHALLENGE OFTEN IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE THE RESOURCE AND THE SERVICE THAT IS RESPONDING TO THE INFORMATION THAT'S GIVEN TO US.
UM, WE HAVE A DUTY AND AN OBLIGATION IN MANY OF THOSE SITUATIONS ON HOW THE REPORT IS PRESENTED OR THE INFORMATION PROVIDED TO AT LEAST INQUIRE.
UM, I TOTALLY CAN APPRECIATE AT TIMES THAT THAT CAN BE UNCOMFORTABLE.
UM, BUT ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, AS A PARENT OF YOUNG CHILDREN, THE ONE THING THAT I HAVE ALWAYS GREATLY APPRECIATED ABOUT OUR PETALUMA COMMUNITY IS OUR SENSE OF RESPONSIBILITY AND CARE FOR ONE ANOTHER.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE OFTEN, UM, OVER, UM, YOU KNOW, DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN WHEN THERE'S A REPORT OR AN ALLEGATION OR A CONCERN ABOUT A SAFETY OF A JUVENILE OR A YOUTH MEMBER IN THIS COMMUNITY.
AND WE WELCOME THOSE OPPORTUNITIES WHERE HOPEFULLY WE ADDRESS IT AT THE LOWEST LEVEL, UM, ESTABLISH WHAT ESSENTIAL INFORMATION'S NECESSARY, KEEP OUR INTERACTIONS BRIEF, UM, AND CONCLUDE OUR INTERACTION AND BE ON OUR WAY AND WISH EVERYONE WELL.
UM, BUT AGAIN, WE, WE DON'T GENERATE THE CALLS FOR SERVICE, AND WE, WE RECEIVE IT, WE TRIAGE IT, AND, AND WE ADDRESS IT AS APPROPRIATELY OR AS LAWFULLY AND REASONABLY.
AND WHEN, WHEN, AND IF THERE'S, UM, A CONCERN ABOUT OUR RESPONSE, WE WELCOME THAT FEEDBACK.
WE HAVE A PROCESS AS JEFF OUTLINED, FOR US TO REVIEW THOSE, AND WE'LL REVIEW THOSE IN, IN COLLABORATION, UH, AT CONTEMPORANEOUS TO THE, THE REPORT OF THE CONCERN WITH THE IPA AND WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY.
I'D LIKE TO BRING UP ONE THING, I I, BECAUSE I'VE HEARD SOMETHING YOU BROUGHT UP ABOUT THIS STATISTICS ON FROM THE REPORT ABOUT, UM, INCIDENTS INVOLVING THE AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY AND IT SORT OF BEING DISPROPORTIONAL TO THE
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SIZE OF THE COMMUNITY HERE IN PETALUMA.I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT, I THINK IT'S ALL PEOPLE OF COLOR.
UM, AND I COMPLETELY AGREE AND, AND WITH THE ASSESSMENT THAT THERE IS NO BIAS WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO RECOMMEND, THEN WE SHOULD TRY AND FIGURE OUT THEN WHY, LIKE, WHY IS THAT NUMBER LARGER THAN THE, UM, PERCENTAGE OF CITIZENS IN THE DEPARTMENT OR IN THE CITY R UM, IF IT'S NOT BIAS WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT, LET'S FIGURE OUT WHY THAT'S HAPPENING, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'LL REALLY HELP IMPROVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE COMMUNITIES OF COLOR THAT YOU GUYS ARE ASKED TO POLICE.
UM, I THINK SORT OF SPEAKING A LITTLE BIT TO WHAT JAVIER WAS SAYING, THESE ARE USUALLY COMMUNITIES THAT ARE THE LEAST, UM, OR THE MOST RETICENT TO WANT TO CALL THE POLICE, UH, BECAUSE OF PAST TRAUMA AND BECAUSE OF FEAR AND BECAUSE OF LOTS OF REASONS.
AND I THINK NATIONALLY THE STATISTICS HAVE, HAVE SEVERAL TIMES SHOWN THAT THESE COMMUNITIES DO NOT COMMIT CRIMES AT LARGER PERCENTAGES OR LARGER RATES, THEN NOT, YOU KNOW, THEN WHITE OR OTHER COMMUNITIES DO.
SO IF IT'S NOT, THEY'RE COMMITTING CRIMES AT LARGER RATES AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY MORE RETICENT TO CALL THE POLICE, THEN WHY IS THE, AND IT'S NOT BIAS WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT, THEN WHY IS THAT NUMBER SO MUCH LARGER, UH, THAN WE WOULD EXPECT IT TO BE? AND, AND I WOULD JUST LOVE FOR PART OF THIS COMMITTEE AND, AND THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND, AND THE INDEPENDENT AUDITOR.
LET'S CONTINUE TO DIG INTO THAT IF WE CAN AND SEE IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT SOME ANSWERS.
YEAH, AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING, AS JEFF INDICATED, IS, UH, PETALUMA PD WAS AN EARLY ADOPTER OF RIPPA STOP REPORTING, WHICH IS THE, THE REQUIREMENT TO CAPTURE THAT INFORMATION.
UM, WE'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR A FEW YEARS.
THEY DID IT BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE AGENCY.
SO LARGER AGENCIES WERE REQUIRED TO ADOPT THAT SOONER.
UM, WE ADOPTED WELL AHEAD OF AN AGENCY.
THIS, OUR SIZE WAS REQUIRED TO DO THAT.
AND WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING THROUGH ANALYZING THE INFORMATION WITH THE POLICE AUDITOR.
THEY'VE BEEN PROVIDED ALL OF 2020 THREE'S INFORMATION.
AND, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT'LL BE SOMETHING THAT'S COMING BACK THROUGH THIS YEAR'S A**L REPORT AS IT WAS ONE OF THEIR PREPARED AUDITS.
UM, SO I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING AND EXPLORING THAT INFORMATION WITH YOU COLLABORATIVELY PLEA.
AND ONE, ONE THING WE HAVE TO LOOK AT OBVIOUSLY IS HOW MANY OF THOSE, UH, INCIDENTS WERE A RESPONSE TO A CALL FOR SERVICE AS OPPOSED TO SELF-INITIATED? UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF VARIABLES THAT, UH, CAN COME INTO TO PLAY, UM, AS, AS YOU SAY, MR. CHAIR, UM, TO EXPLAIN, UH, THE DISPARITIES THAT EXIST.
AND, UH, I'VE BEEN WORKING IN THIS AREA, UH, THAT IS TRYING TO EXPLAIN DISPARITIES FOR MORE THAN 20 YEARS.
AND, UH, SOMETIMES, UH, THE BEST SOCIAL SCIENTISTS CAN'T COME UP WITH THE EXACT ANSWER.
UM, BUT THE, THE WAY IN WHICH WE ARE DOING OUR WORK IN PETALUMA, THAT IS QUALITATIVELY LOOKING AT INDIVIDUAL INCIDENTS, UM, I THINK STANDS A MUCH BETTER CHANCE OF COMING TO SOME ANSWERS.
UH, THEN DOES THE QUANTITATIVE ANALYSIS JUST BY LOOKING AT, AT NUMBERS.
SO, UM, IF, IF THERE IS ANY INDICATION OF BIAS IN ANY OF THE INCIDENTS THAT WE REVIEW, UM, WE WILL CERTAINLY BRING THAT TO THE ATTENTION OF THE DEPARTMENT AND, UH, OF COURSE, THE CITY MANAGER AS WELL.
AM I ABLE TO GO BACK TO AN EARLIER BROWN ACT QUESTION? I THINK MS. YES.
OR COMMITTEE MEMBER OSLER OR OSLER LY, UH, ASKED ABOUT HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO BRING SOMETHING UP THAT WE WANNA DISCUSS AT FUTURE MEETINGS? AND I JUST WANT TO CLOSE THE LOOP ON THAT, THAT WE CAN, AND WE TALKED EARLIER, NOT ALL OF US, BUT THE CHIEF AND I ABOUT, WELL, WE COULD FOR NEXT MEETING, FOR EXAMPLE, WE COULD SAY, LIKE, ON OUR AGENDA, WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS SETTING THE FUTURE AGENDA AND ASK EVERYONE WHAT TOPICS WOULD YOU LIKE TRAININGS WITH, AND PROVIDE EXAMPLES AND OTHER FUTURE DISCUSSIONS SO YOU CAN CARRY OUT YOUR DUTIES.
AND IF THERE'S TRAININGS THAT MAYBE WE THOUGHT OF AND YOU HAVEN'T, YOU THOUGHT OF THAT WE HAVEN'T, IT'S A PERFECT TIME TO HEAR IT, AND YOU CAN COME WITH IDEAS AND WE'LL COME WITH OUR IDEAS AND WE COULD DISCUSS WHAT WE, HOW WE'RE GONNA ACCOMPLISH, WHAT YOUR SET HER TASK TO DO.
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UH, COMMITTEE COMMENTS, UH, OR QUESTIONS REGARDING THE PRESENTATION? ARE WE ON, UH, THE ITEM COMMITTEE COMMENTS NOW, OR? I WAS WAITING TO, TO MAKE A COMMENT THEN, BUT IF THERE ARE NO OTHER COMMITTEE COMMENTS, I WAS GOING TO OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE PRESENTATION ITEM AND ASK SPEAKERS TO BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY.I, I'LL WAIT UNTIL, TILL THIS GETS DONE.
UM, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SHOULD BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK STAFFS IF THEY'RE NOT ALREADY DONE.
SO, UM, THREATS OF VIOLENCE, OUR GROUNDS WERE REMOVED FROM THIS MEETING.
UM, AND ACCOUNT DOWN WILL BEGIN, UH, FOR THE CONVENIENCE OF THE SPEAKER.
AND THERE IS NOBODY, UH, MR. CHAIR, UH, THANK YOU.
UM, I THINK WE JUST COVERED THAT.
PUBLIC COMMENT SHOULD BE CLOSED NOW, AND I THINK, UH,
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WE CAN MOVE TO COMMITTEE COMMENT.THEN, UH, CHAIR CALLS ON COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO PROVIDE COMMENTS, REPORT OUT ON EVENTS ATTENDED OR BRING FORWARD FUTURE AGENDA TOPICS.
UH, I JUST WANTED, SORRY, THAT I SPOKE OUT OF TURN,
YOU MIGHT HAVE RAISED YOUR HAND FIRST.
UM, UM, THESE THINGS ARE NEVER THAT CLEAR, ELLEN.
I MEAN, UM, I JUST WANTED TO RELATE, UH, SOMETHING THAT I THINK, UH, THE CHIEF'S ALREADY AWARE OF AND I I, THAT I ALREADY DISCUSSED, UH, WITH, WITH SOME CITY FOLKS, JUST BECAUSE I COULDN'T REMEMBER THE DETAILS OF WHEN WE, WHEN WE APPROVED THE, THIS COMMITTEE INTO EXISTENCE, UM, WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION OF SHOULD WE HAVE A YOUTH MEMBER? OKAY.
AND, UH, WE ELECTED NOT TO, IN PART BECAUSE WE'VE HAD TROUBLE EVEN AFTER WE'VE, UH, PUT IN YOUTH MEMBERS TO CERTAIN COMMITTEES WITH, UH, THEM DROPPING OFF EARLY AND SUCH LIKE THAT.
BUT WE DID MAKE IT CLEAR THAT, UH, UH, ANY, ANY, ANY PERSON OF ANY AGE CAN APPLY TO BE ON THE COMMITTEE.
SO I WAS ABLE TO INFORM THIS YOUNG LADY THAT ASKED ME ABOUT THIS, THAT, UH, I COULDN'T DO ANYTHING TO GET HER ON THE COMMITTEE NOW, BUT THAT SHE COULD APPLY IN TWO YEARS.
AND IN MY OPINION, THERE'S PROBABLY A 50 50 CHANCE THAT SOMEONE WOULD DROP OFF THE COMMITTEE BEFORE THAT CHANCE THAT I, BEFORE THAT TIME.
I MEAN, THAT'S THE WAY THINGS WORK.
UH, STUFF HAPPENS IN LIFE, YOU KNOW? SO, UH, THAT WAS, UH, UH, ONE ITEM AND THEN, UH, LET'S LEAVE IT AT THAT.
UH, ONE COMMENT I'D LOVE TO BRING UP AGAIN, IS THAT I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO USE THIS COMMITTEE COMMENT AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT THE COMMITTEE HAS AN ACTIVE ROLE IN SORT OF SETTING WHAT WE WANT SOME OF THE FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS AND DISCUSSIONS TO BE.
I THINK IT WAS FANTASTIC THAT, THAT WE HAVE A LONG-TERM AGENDA IN TERMS OF THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO COVER OVER THE NEXT, UH, YEAR, IF NOT MORE.
BUT I DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO USE THIS SECTION AS, AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, HEY, I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THIS IN THE FUTURE, OR I'D LIKE TO BRING THIS UP, OR, I'D LIKE TO SORT OF UNDERSTAND MORE ABOUT THIS.
THIS WOULD BE THE PERFECT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO BE MORE INVOLVED IN WHAT WE WANT THE AGENDA TO BE AND, AND, AND HELP DRIVE THE DISCUSSION IN COLLABORATION, UH, WITH CITY STAFF.
SO, OH, AND CHAIR MILLER, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT, UH, WE ARE JUST ABOUT TO HIT SEVEN 30, SO IF WE WANNA EXTEND, UH, FOR AN ADDITIONAL 15 MINUTES, UH, WE WILL HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION AND APPROVE THAT.
I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE AN MOTION TO EXTEND FOR AN ADDITIONAL 15 MINUTES.
PASSES UNANIMOUSLY FOR AN EXTENSION OF 15 MINUTES.
UH, I'LL CONTINUE TO OPEN IT UP FOR, UH, COMMITTEE COMMENTS.
WOULD ANYONE ELSE, LIKE ON THE COMMITTEE, LIKE TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS? UM, YEAH, I'LL JUST ADD, I THINK AS WE ALL GET MORE COMFORTABLE TOO, I THINK IT WILL BECOME MORE COLLABORATIVE.
I THINK THESE FIRST FEW MEETINGS, ESPECIALLY THE FIRST MEETING, WE WERE ALL JUST LIKE, OKAY,
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WHATEVER EVERYONE ELSE WANTS TO DO.SO, UM, I'M HOPING MORE PEOPLE COME.
I'M HOPING MORE PEOPLE COME ON ZOOM OR IN PERSON.
UM, AND I'M HOPING THAT IT'S MORE COMFORTABLE FOR US TO, TO HAVE IDEAS AND MISSPEAK OR NOT MISSPEAK AND JUST KIND OF COLLABORATE TOGETHER.
SO THIS MEETING ALREADY FEELS, UM, MORE COMFORTABLE, AT LEAST FOR MYSELF.
SO I'M EXCITED TO CONTINUE THIS WITH EVERYBODY.
UM, I GUESS MORE OF A COMMENT THAN A QUESTION, BUT YEAH,
YEAH, I'D LOVE TO, TO RESPOND TO THAT.
I MEAN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, CANDIDLY, THIS IS THIS THE FIRST COMMITTEE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S HOSTED.
SO WE ARE ON THIS ROLLERCOASTER OF A JOURNEY OF LEARNING WITH YOU ALL.
AND, UH, WE FEEL VERY MUCH THE SAME WAY, RIGHT? UM, THERE'S A VULNERABILITY TO TRY TO LEARN THE PROCESS AND NOT MISSPEAK AND FOLLOW THE MINUTES AND THE AGENDAS, AND UNDERSTANDING THE NUANCES OF THE BROWN ACT THAT WE'RE LEARNING AS WELL.
SO, UM, WE APPRECIATE THE GRACE AND UNDERSTANDING THERE, AND VERY MUCH THIS IS YOUR COMMITTEE TO HAVE DIALOGUE WITH US, AND WE WELCOME THE DIRECTION.
WE DON'T WANT TO BE PRESCRIPTIVE.
UM, BUT WE ALSO ARE TRYING TO REALLY ADHERE TO THE DIRECTION THAT STAFF RECEIVED THROUGH THE ENABLING RE LEGISLATION, UH, LEVERAGE THE GREAT RESOURCE THAT WE HAVE THROUGH THE POLICE AUDITOR THAT HAS THE EXPERIENCE OF CREATING AND IMPLEMENTING ONE OF THESE COMMITTEES, AND REALLY ENVISIONED AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF DO, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF, OF, UM, OF TRAINING AND A PRESENTATION ITEM.
AND THEN HAVING, UH, AMPLE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO HAVE DIALOGUE LIKE WE DID TONIGHT, TO FIELD ANY QUESTIONS ON TOPIC OR OFF TOPIC THAT COME UP.
AND WE WELCOME THE FEEDBACK JUST AS YOU WERE SUGGESTING OF IN THE STAFF COMMENT SECTION.
YOU KNOW, WE'D LOVE TO SEE A FUTURE PRESENTATION, TALK ABOUT THIS, UH, GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR MY TEAM TO PREPARE THAT PRESENTATION, AGENDIZE IT SO WE CAN ENSURE THE COMMUNITY CAN PARTICIPATE IN THIS VERY IMPORTANT PUBLIC CONVERSATION AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE.
AND JUST TO ADD TO THAT, IF YOU THINK OF SOMETHING AFTERWARDS, RIGHT? WHEN YOU'RE NOT ON THE SPOT IN YOUR HOME AND YOU HAVE TIME TO THINK, YOU'RE WELCOME TO EMAIL, NOT YOUR WHOLE GROUP, THAT WOULD BE A VIOLATION, BUT YOU ARE WELCOME TO EMAIL CHIEF MILLER, CITY MANAGER, THE IPA ME SAYING, HEY, I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THIS, AND WE WILL ADD THAT SO EVERYONE KNOWS AND COULDN'T DISCUSS IT IN THE FUTURE.
SO IT'S PROPERLY AGENDA AND TRANSPARENT.
UM, JULIA, I JUST WANNA SAY, I COMPLETELY AGREE TOO.
I WENT, I WALKED OUT LAST, LAST TIME GOING LIKE, WAIT, WHAT? AND THIS ALREADY FEELS LIKE, OH, OKAY, GOOD
UM, AND I DID NOT KNOW THAT DURING OUR, OUR COMMENTS.
LIKE, I WASN'T, I WAS CONFUSED.
SO THAT'S WHY, I MEAN, I, I SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT UP THIS IDEA LATER ON.
MEANWHILE, THE FACT THAT I, I LOVE THE IDEA OF GETTING LIKE AN OPTIONS SO WE COULD DISCUSS OPTIONS.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO MAYBE EVEN DO THAT FOR A NEXT MEETING? IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.
I THINK WE'D WELCOME ANY FEEDBACK, UM, ON THAT.
AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING COLLABORATIVELY.
UM, THE CHAIR AND I ARE GONNA BE IN COMMUNICATION AND WORKING TO ENSURING THE AGENDAS ARE SET AND THEY'RE PRIORITIZING THOSE THINGS.
BUT THE FEEDBACK AND, UM, THE INPUT IS ABSOLUTELY WELCOME.
AND, AND WE CAN CREATE THAT LIST AND A RUNNING LIST AND CONTINUE TO FIGURE OUT THE APPROPRIATE SCHEDULE AND AGENDA.
I, OH, BY THE WAY, DID YOU SEND US THAT, THAT LIST OF THE NO, NO.
SO PART OF THE REASON, AND VERY INTENTIONALLY TO, TO ADD THE STAFF COMMENT EARLY ON, IT WASN'T, UH, WE, WE DISCUSSED AND RECOGNIZED, AS I MENTIONED, WE'RE LEARNING, LEARNING ON THIS THE FLY HERE TO SOME DEGREE, UM, AND DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT THAT HAD TO BE SOMETHING AGENDIZED, SO IT DIDN'T GET AGENDIZED.
SO MOVING IT TO STAFF COMMENT, PREVENT PROVIDED ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT IT, TO SHARE THAT.
AND THEN OUR INTENT IS ON THE COMING AGENDAS TO INCLUDE THAT IN THERE.
AND I THINK IT'D BE GREAT TO HAVE LIKE A TBD AS WELL, OR A RUNNING LIST OF OTHER TOPICS FOR CONSIDERATION.
I THINK THE ONE THING THAT WE WOULD JUST ASK OF THE COMMITTEE IS THERE'S CONSENSUS, UM, FROM THE COMMITTEE THAT IT'S A TOPIC THAT YOU WANT TO TAKE UP.
SO AT SOME POINT, I THINK THE COMMITTEE WILL HAVE TO SAY, WE'D LIKE TO VOTE ON WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE THE NEXT TIME, UM, OR IN A FUTURE MEETING.
AND IF THERE'S CONSENSUS, THEN WE COLLECT THAT AND, AND TAKE THAT DIRECTION.
IN GENERAL, I JUST WAS CURIOUS ABOUT TO PUT ON THE NEXT AGENDA, UM, THAT STAFF COMES UP WITH, AND YOU, JEFF, EVERYBODY COMES UP WITH OPTIONS FOR US TO ACTUALLY THINK ABOUT LIKE ACTUALLY MAKING IT HAPPEN BY GIVING US THESE OPTIONS.
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YEAH.IS THAT, YEAH, WE'RE THIS THE FLOOR IS YOURS, JUST PROVIDE US YES.
THOSE ITEMS, EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY'S IN AGREEMENT.
I, I THINK SO I THINK THE INTENT IS THAT WE WOULD USE THIS COMMITTEE COMMENT SECTION.
THIS WOULD BE A GREAT TIME TO SAY, HEY, HERE'S SOME ITEMS I'D LIKE TO 10 PUT ON THE FUTURE TENTATIVE AGENDA.
AND THEN AS, AS CHIEF MILLER IS SAYING, PROBABLY AT THE NEXT MEETING, WE'LL SAY, HEY, HERE ARE THE OPTIONS THAT WE DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING, PLUS MAYBE THERE WAS SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, THINGS THAT CAME IN VIA EMAIL TO CITY STAFF OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THAT WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO, AS A COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, VOTE ON YES, THESE ARE THINGS WE'D LIKE TO HAVE ON THE FUTURE AGENDA, AND THEN I CAN WORK WITH THE CHIEF AND CITY STAFF ON MAKING SURE THAT THE AGENDA ITEMS THAT THE CITY STAFF HAS, WHICH ARE IMPORTANT THAT WE NEED TO GET, TO GET PRIORITIZED AND BLENDED WITH THE AGENDA ITEMS THAT WE BROUGHT UP AS COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
AND SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE HAVING THESE SUBSTANTIVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT BOTH.
I WOULD JUST, THE REASON WHY WE WANT TO AGENDIZE THE DISCUSSION OF ALL THE TOPICS IS IN CASE THERE'S, THERE COULD BE ISSUES THAT OUR COMMUNITY WANTS YOU TO DISCUSS WITH US.
SO WE WANT TO GIVE THEM TIME SO THEY CAN LOOK AT THE AGENDA AND SAY, OH, THEY'RE GONNA CHOOSE THIS, AND THEY MAY WANNA ADD A PUBLIC COMMENT AND SAY, I'D REALLY LIKE TO HEAR YOU DISCUSS A, B, AND C.
SO THAT'S WHY WE WANNA AGENDIZE IT AND GIVE OUR COMMUNITY ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADD A PUBLIC COMMENT.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE'RE ABOUT TO ADJOURN.
I JUST WANT TO GET A COUPLE MORE THINGS IN QUICKLY.
NUMBER ONE IS TO, UH, TO, UM, UM, UM, RE MENTION THE CHIEFS OFFER OF, UH, RIDE ALONGS.
I'VE, YOU, I'VE BEEN ON A COUPLE RIDE ALONGS, AND I'M SURE HE'LL WORK WITH YOU IF YOU WANT TWO HOURS OR SIX HOURS, OR IF YOU WANT MONDAY MORNING OR FRIDAY NIGHT LATE.
UM, AND, UH, LEARNED A LOT FROM BOTH OF THOSE.
AND, UH, I'LL BE DOING ANOTHER ONE SOON, I'M SURE.
AND THE SECOND THING IS, IN TERMS OF IDEAS FOR WHAT OUR COMMITTEE MIGHT SEE, I THINK, UM, JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT I KNOW WHEN WE WERE FIRST SETTING THIS UP, THAT I STUMBLED, UH, UH, ON THE CITY OF DAVIS, NOT UC, DAVIS, BUT THE CITY OF DAVIS HAD STARTED A, A CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE JUST A YEAR OR SO BEFORE WE WERE GOING TO DO IT.
AND, UM, THEY'RE ABOUT THE SAME SIZE AS US, AND, UM, UH, THE, THE MINUTES ARE BETTER THAN OURS ARE IN, AND JUST IN GENERAL IN PETALUMA, I WOULD SAY, AND THAT, THAT'S PARTLY BECAUSE WE'RE SAVING STAFF TIME, YOU KNOW, BUT, UH, BUT, SO IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, YOU MIGHT GET SOME IDEAS.
I FELT, I FEEL LIKE I, I LEARNED A LOT FROM LOOKING AT A FEW OF THEIR MINUTES, AND YOU JUST LOOK IT UP LIKE YOU WOULD HERE, CITY OF DAVIS, UM, UM, MEETINGS AND IT'LL SHOW UP THERE.
AND WE, WE'D WELCOME, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE, THE OPPORTUNITIES WE PRESENTED IS, YOU'RE WELCOME AT ANY COMMUNITY EVENT, LIKE ANY COMMUNITY MEMBER, WELCOME TO SCHEDULE A RIDE-ALONGS.
THE COMMUNITY ACADEMY IS STILL ACTIVELY RECRUITING.
WE'VE GOT, I THINK, 15 COMMUNITY MEMBERS ENROLLED THAT STARTS IN MID-SEPTEMBER.
UM, AND, AND SO WE, WE WELCOME ALL THOSE OPPORTUNITIES TO SHARE, AND I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE COMMITTED AND WE REALLY SEE THE IMPORTANCE OF WANTING TO SET A FOUNDATION, FOUNDATIONAL UNDERSTANDING FOR BOTH THE COMMITTEE AND FOR THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO MAY NOT HAVE THE AWARENESS TO THE DEPARTMENT, HOW THE, THE, UH, YOU KNOW, BASIC OPERATIONS, SOME OF THE BASIC PERSONNEL REGULATIONS AND RULES AND POLICIES.
AND SO I JUST, I JUST OFFER THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, THIS IS GONNA BE A, A COMMITTEE FOREVER, UM, AND WE WANT TO GET, AND HAVE EVERYTHING OPENLY DISCUSSED AND GET THERE.
I JUST ALSO, WE REALLY ARE EXCITED TOO, TO SHARE ABOUT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT SERVES YOU, THE STAFF THAT'S IN THE BUILDING, HOW IT'S STRUCTURED, HOW IT'S FUNCTIONED, HOW WE SERVE, AND THEN, UH, ABSOLUTELY ADDRESS ALL THESE, THESE TOPICS.
AND IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, I, I EVEN WELCOME IF THERE'S TOPICS RIGHT NOW TO OFFER FOR US, WE CAN ADD THAT TO THE LIST, UM, OF THE ITEMS FOR CONSIDERATION WHEN WE PUT TOGETHER AND CONTINUE, UH, ADDING TO THE EVER, EVER GREEN DOCUMENT.
UH, ANY OTHER, UH, COMMITTEE COMMENTS.
THEN AS THE CHAIR, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO ADJOURN THE MEETING WITH THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 7:40 PM OKAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, EVERYONE.
MM-HMM,
CONGRATS TO YOUR SON, JAVIER, COLUMBIA.