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YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR PATIENCE.WE'RE GONNA CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER SLIGHTLY TARDY AT 6 0 8 ON TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 10TH.
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TAKE ROLE.COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON.
WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE ON INTO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON ITEMS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THAT ARE WITHIN THE PLANNING COMMISSION COMMISSION'S SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION, AND THAT ARE NOT LISTED ON THE CURRENT AGENDA.
PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO UP TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON.
DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF PERSONS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
TIME WILL BE ALLOCATED IN EQUAL SHARES TOTALING NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES.
AND WITH THAT GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT IS OPEN IF YOU'D LIKE TO BRING YOUR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF YOU'VE NOT ALREADY PAUSING FOR FOLKS TO JUMP OUT OF THEIR SEATS AND RUN
CLAIRE, HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY, UH, COMMENTS IN THE ROOM? WE RECEIVED NO GENERAL PROBLEM, PUBLIC COMMENTS IN THE ROOM AS WELL AS PRIOR TO THE MEETING? NONE PRIOR TO THE MEETING EITHER.
IN THAT CASE, WE WILL CLOSE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AND TRANSITION TO PRESENTATIONS OF WHICH THERE ARE NONE FOR THIS MEETING.
AND SO I'M GONNA CLOSE THAT MEETING ITEM NICE AND QUICK,
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THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES, UM, WHICH IS OUR FIRST MEETING ITEM OF TONIGHT, THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES FOR THE MEETING ON AUGUST 27TH, 2024.AND I INVITE COMMISSIONERS TO PROVIDE ANY AMENDMENTS IF THEY HAVE THEM LOOKING ACROSS THE DAY.
AN AMENDMENT TO THE MINUTES ON THE 27TH, NO AMENDMENTS FOR AUGUST 27TH.
THEN WITHOUT ANY AMENDMENTS, I BELIEVE WE CAN CALL THOSE MINUTES APPROVED FOR AUGUST 27TH, 2024, AND CLOSE MEETING ITEM ONE AND CONTINUE ON
[PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION]
TO OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION.UM, THIS WILL BE MEETING ITEM TWO ON THE AGENDA FOR THOSE FOLLOWING ALONG, WHICH IS A PUBLIC HEARING, A RECOMMENDATION TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING, RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND PROVIDE COMMENTS ON THE CREEKWOOD HOUSING DEVELOPMENT DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT, OR DEIR AND RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL THAT THE COUNCIL DIRECT STAFF TO PREPARE A FINAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT, AN FEIR FOR THE CREEKWOOD HOUSING DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, LOCATED AT 27 20 70 TO, SORRY, TWO 70 TO TWO 80 CASA GRANDE ROAD.
UM, BECAUSE THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, IT DOES REQUIRE THE COMMISSION TO DISCLOSE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS.
SO I'LL LOOK DOWN THE DAYS FOR ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS.
THE COMMISSIONERS WISH TO DISCLOSE.
SEEING NONE, UH, IN THAT CASE, I THINK WE CAN TURN IT OVER TO STAFF.
UM, I WILL BE INTERJECTING A LITTLE BIT MORE TONIGHT JUST AS WE'RE, UH, TAKING A MAIDEN VOYAGE OF A NEW MEETING WORKFLOW.
BUT THE STAFF PRESENTATION REMAINS THE SAME, SO WE CAN CONTINUE ON, UM, AND TOSS IT TO OLIVIA.
THANK YOU CHAIR, AND GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.
I AM A PRINCIPAL ENVIRONMENTAL PLANNER.
I'M OVERSEEING THE PROJECT'S ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PROCESS ON BEHALF OF THE CITY.
AND I AM JOINED THIS EVENING BY MY COLLEAGUE GREG POWELL, PRINCIPAL PLANNER, UM, WHO IS PROCESSING THE PROJECT'S DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION AS WELL AS NICK ANI TO MY LEFT, WHO IS, UH, VICE PRESIDENT OF RAINY PLANNING AND MANAGEMENT, THE FIRM THAT THE CITY ENTERED INTO A PROFESSIONAL SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH TO PREPARE THE ENVIRONMENTAL ANALYSIS FOR THE PROJECT.
THE ITEM BEFORE YOU IS CONSIDERATION OF THE DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT.
YOU WILL HEAR US SAY EIR TONIGHT IN ABBREVIATION THE, THE DEIR.
THAT IS THE DRAFT, EIR, UH, THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT.
SO WE ARE NOW IN THE MIDST OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PROCESS FOR THIS PROJECT, AND THAT WAS INITIATED FOLLOWING SUBMITTAL OF A COMPLETE PROJECT APPLICATION THAT KICKED OFF BACK IN 2022.
AND THAT WAS ACCOMPANIED BY THE RELEASE OF AN INITIAL STUDY THAT WENT THROUGH THE FULL CHECKLIST OF ITEMS IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PACKET, AND A NOTICE OF PREPARATION INFORMING, UM, THE COMMUNITY STATE AGENCIES, UH, AND INTERESTED PARTIES THAT AN EIR WAS GOING TO BE PREPARED.
AND THAT PROCESS INCLUDED A PUBLIC SCOPING MEETING AT THAT TIME, WHICH WAS A, A OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC REVIEW AND COMMENT TO INFORM THE SCOPE OF THE EIR.
SO, UH, AS A REMINDER, THE CITY IS REQUIRED TO CONDUCT ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT FOR ALL DISCRETIONARY ACTIONS AND MUST COMPLETE THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PROCESS
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PRIOR TO CONSIDERING THE PROJECT'S ENTITLEMENTS, THE DISCRETIONARY ENTITLEMENTS.SO THE HEARING THIS EVENING IS TO RECEIVE AND COLLECT COMMENTS ON THE, THE EIR, UM, AND AT A FUTURE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, ASSUMING THAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROCESS MOVES FORWARD AND IS COMPLETED, AND ULTIMATELY THE EIR IS CERTIFIED, THEN, UH, THE PROJECT ENTITLEMENTS WOULD COME BACK BEFORE THE COMMISSION FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF A SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW PROCESS, WHICH YOU'RE VERY, VERY FAMILIAR WITH.
BUT TONIGHT, THAT IS NOT WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WE ARE LOOKING AT THE DRAFT DIR.
UH, AND SO THE PURPOSE OF THE HEARING THIS EVENING IS TO RECEIVE COMMENTS ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW DOCUMENT TO IDENTIFY WHERE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OR CLARIFICATION MAY BE NEEDED AND, UH, TO, IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND THE FULL ENVIRONMENTAL EFFECTS OF THE PROJECT.
AND WE'RE LOOKING TO RECEIVE A RECOMMENDATION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PREPARATION OF THE FINAL EIR, WHICH IS AT THE STAGE OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PROCESS WHERE THOSE COMMENTS RECEIVED ARE DIRECTLY ADDRESSED AND RESPONDED TO.
SO, UM, WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO HAND IT OVER TO NICK TO TALK US THROUGH WHAT THE EIR FOUND AND, UH, THE SCOPE OF THE REVIEW, THE REVIEW PROCESS AND THE FINDINGS.
SO I WILL HAND THAT OVER TO YOU OKAY.
AND PASS YOU THIS MAGIC CONTROL BUTTON AS WELL.
AND LET ME GET IT SO THAT YOU'RE CLICKING ON THE RIGHT THING, AND THEN YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO ADVANCE ACCORDINGLY.
GOOD EVENING CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AGAIN, NICK PAPAI WITH RAINEY PLEASURE TO BE HERE TONIGHT.
I'M GONNA BE MOVING US THROUGH THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION FOR THE, UM, FOR THE MEETING TONIGHT.
AND WE'RE GOING JUST KINDA GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW WHERE WE'LL, UH, FIRST COVER THE PROPOSED PROJECT IN A, IN A, A HIGH LEVEL OF DETAIL WITH SOME, UH, SLIDES TO FACILITATE, UM, THE OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT LOCATION AND FEATURES.
UH, THEN WE'RE GONNA GET INTO THE CQA PROCESS, CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT, UH, DISCUSSING THE PURPOSE OF CE QA, THE PROCESS WHERE WE'RE AT, WHERE WE HAVE YET TO GO, UM, SOME KEY CONSIDERATIONS THAT CAME OUT OF THE DRAFT, THE IR ANALYSIS, UM, UH, A BRIEF DISCUSSION OF THE ALTERNATIVES THAT WERE EVALUATED, AND THEN OPEN IT UP FOR COMMENTS ON THE DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT ANALYSIS.
SO THIS SLIDE SHOWS AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT SITE.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE SITE, UM, IS LOCATED, UH, EAST OF CASA GRANDE ROAD, UM, ACROSS FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL.
UH, THE SITE CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 5.2 ACRES MADE UP OF TWO DIFFERENT PARCELS, UH, WHAT WE CALL, UH, TWO 70 CASA GRANDE ROAD AND TWO 80 CASA GRANDE ROAD.
IT CONTAINS AN EXISTING RESIDENCE, UM, GRAVEL DRIVEWAY, SOME OUT BUILDINGS, UM, IN A SMALL ORCHARD AREA.
AND THE REMAINING PORTIONS OF THE PARCEL, UM, ARE USED BY, UM, FOR GRAZING, UM, BY SHEEP, OWNED BY THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER.
THE SECOND PARCEL, WHICH IS MORE TOWARDS THE FRONT, IS, UM, THE TWO 80 CASA GRANDE ROAD, AND IT CONTAINS AN EXISTING RESIDENCE AND UNDEVELOPED LAND COVERED IN GRASSES.
UM, AS YOU ARE AWARE, ADOBE CREEK IS AN EPHEMERAL CREEK THAT FORMS THE, UH, EASTERN BOUNDARY OF THE SITE.
THE SITE IS DESIGNATED AS MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL IN THE GENERAL PLAN AND A ZONED RESIDENTIAL.
UM, YOU CAN SEE ON THE EXHIBIT HERE THAT, UH, THE SURROUNDING LAND USES INCLUDE, AGAIN, CROSS CASA GRANDE ROAD, UM, TO THE WEST AND THE, THE HIGH SCHOOL BEYOND ADOBE CREEK TO THE EAST, UH, CASA GRANDE SENIOR APARTMENTS TO THE NORTH.
AND THE, UM, RECENT RECENTLY COMPLETED SUBDIVISION, UH, KNOWN AS MCKENNA, UH, TO THE SOUTH.
WE'RE GONNA GET A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO WHAT YOU SEE HERE.
IT SAYS OFFSITE MULTI-USE PATH.
THE THE PROJECT CONSISTS OF ONSITE COMPONENTS AND OFFSITE COMPONENTS.
SO WE'RE GONNA COVER THAT IN IN SOME MORE DETAIL.
THIS EXHIBIT HERE SHOWS, UH, THE VESTING TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP.
THE PROJECT, UH, CONSISTS OF THE DEMOLITION OF THE RESIDENCE OUT TOWARDS THE FRONT BY CASA GRANDE ROAD, UH, WHICH IS TWO 80 CASA GRANDE, UH, RETENTION OF THE ONSITE RESIDENCE MORE TOWARDS THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY, IF YOU WILL, CLOSER TO THE CREEK.
UM, AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF 59 DWELLING UNITS, UM, ACROSS THREE DIFFERENT BLOCKS, UH, WITH UNITS RANGING FROM, UH, TWO TO THREE STORIES IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE, UH, CITY'S REQUIREMENTS.
THE PROJECT WOULD RESERVE, UH, 15%, UH, THE PROJECT, UH, FOR BELOW MARKET RATE UNITS.
AND THE ENTITLEMENTS FOR THE PROJECT CONSIST OF THE VESTING TENANT, A PARCEL MAP HERE, SITE PLAN, AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, AND A
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TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.OKAY, THIS EXHIBIT HERE SHOWS THE CIRCULATION PLAN.
UM, IT, IT SHOWS, UH, ACCESS FROM CASA GRANDE ROAD.
AS YOU CAN SEE, TWO NEW ENTRIES.
UM, IT ALSO SHOWS IN GREEN, UM, PEDESTRIAN ACCESS PROPOSED.
UM, IN PARTICULAR, I WOULD NOTE THAT, UH, THE SIDEWALKS WOULD PROVIDE A PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION FROM CASA GRANDE ROAD TO THE PROPOSED PATH ALONG THE CREEK, WHICH IS SHOWN IN, UH, PINKISH COLOR HERE.
UM, THE PATH, THERE'S ALSO, THERE IS ACTUALLY AN EXISTING COMPONENT OF THAT PEDESTRIAN PATH JUST TO THE NOR, EXCUSE ME, SOUTH AT THE MCKENNA SUBDIVISION.
THAT EXISTING PATH THERE IS AROUND THE DETENTION BASIN.
UM, AS PART OF THE CASA GRANDE SUBDIVISION, OR MCKENNA, AS IT'S NOW CALLED, UM, A PEDESTRIAN CROSSING WAS INSTALLED ACROSS CASA GRANDE ROAD, UM, THAT HAS A RAISED MEDIAN AND PROVIDES A PEDESTRIAN REFUGE AND RAPID RECTANGULAR FLASHING BEACON WITH WARNING LIGHTS, AS WELL AS, UH, RADAR FEEDBACK SIGNS, UM, AS WELL.
UM, THE PROJECT ALSO PROPOSES A 10 FOOT WIDE, UM, OFFSITE MULTI-USE PATH ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF THE CREEK, AGAIN, SHOWN IN, IN, UH, THE PINK COLOR HERE.
THAT PATH WOULD, UM, CONNECT TO THE PROPOSED BRIDGE OVER ADOBE CREEK, AND THAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL, WHICH IS A COMPONENT OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT.
SO THIS EXHIBIT HERE GENERALLY SHOWS THE PROPOSED, UH, BRIDGE OVER ADOBE CREEK.
UH, THE BRIDGE WOULD, UM, ACCESS, UH, TO AND FROM THE PROJECT OVER TO THE, THE HIGH SCHOOL, AS WELL AS THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS TO THE EAST ALONG SPYGLASS ROAD.
THE BRIDGE WOULD, UH, SPAN THE CREEK, UM, AND BE LOCATED ATOP BRIDGE ABUTMENTS.
THE BRIDGE WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY EIGHT FEET WIDE, COMPOSED OF STEEL FRAMING AND WOOD DECKING FOR THE WALKING SURFACE WITH FOUR AND A HALF FOOT SAFETY RAILS.
AND THE LOCATION WAS GENERALLY DETERMINED BASED ON MINIMIZING ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
UH, THERE IS TREE REMOVAL ASSOCIATED WITH THE BRIDGE CONSTRUCTION THAT'S EVALUATED IN THE DRAFT DIR IN THE BIOLOGICAL RESOURCES CHAPTER.
BUT THIS LOCATION WAS DETERMINED TO BE THE LEAST IMPACTFUL IN TERMS OF OVERALL, UH, RESOURCES THAT ARE PRESENT ALONG, ALONG THE CREEK.
I GONNA TRANSITION A LITTLE BIT INTO THE UHS QL REVIEW PROCESS.
UM, A NOTICE OF PREPARATION, AS OLIVIA MENTIONED, WAS RELEASED ON OCTOBER 22ND, 2022, ALONG WITH THAT INITIAL STUDY CHECKLIST.
UM, AS MENTIONED, THAT INITIAL STUDY CHECKLIST IS KIND OF A, A, A VEHICLE, IF YOU WILL, THAT WE USE TO FOCUS THE CONTENT OF THE DRAFT EIR ONTO, UM, SOME KEY ISSUES THAT MIGHT REQUIRE, UM, FURTHER ANALYSIS OR POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT AND AVOIDABLE IMPACTS.
SO THE INITIAL STUDY IS AN APPENDIX TO THE DRAFT EIR.
SO WITH THAT INITIAL STUDY ANALYSIS AS WELL AS THE DRAFT, WE HAVE ALL A TOPICS COVERED.
UM, AT THE APPROPRIATE LEVEL OF DETAIL, WE HAD A SCOPING MEETING ON THE NOTICE OF PREPARATION ON NOVEMBER 14TH, 2022, UH, WHEREBY WE, UH, ASKED FOR PUBLIC INPUT ON THE RANGE OF ISSUES THAT, UH, THE PUBLIC FEELS SHOULD BE STUDIED IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL DOCUMENT.
UM, THEN WE WENT INTO THE DRAFT DR PREPARATION PHASE AND WORKED WITH OUR TEAM OF CONSULTANTS, UH, AND THE CITY.
AND THAT DOCUMENT WAS RELEASED ON JULY 26TH.
UM, AND THE COMMENT PERIOD, UM, OFFICIALLY ENDED ON SEPTEMBER 9TH.
BUT OF COURSE, WE'RE CONSIDERING COMMENTS, UH, THROUGH THIS MEETING FORM AS WELL.
UM, WE HAVE OUR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TONIGHT, AND THEN THIS COMING MONDAY, WE HAVE A MEETING WITH BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL TO, UH, ALSO PRESENT THE DRAFT DIR AND OPEN IT UP FOR COMMENTS BEFORE THE COUNCIL.
UM, SUBSEQUENT TO THIS PROCESS, WE'LL TAKE ALL OF THE WRITTEN COMMENTS, INCLUDING COMMENTS RECEIVED TONIGHT AND ON MONDAY NIGHT, AND WE WILL PREPARE WRITTEN RESPONSES TO ALL COMMENTS, UM, IN THE FORM OF THE FINAL EIR, UH, THAT WE ANTICIPATE BEING RELEASED IN LATE 2020, UH, LATE 2024.
SO, JUST A A A QUICK KIND OF HIGH LEVEL IN TERMS OF ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW, UH, PURPOSE UNDER CQA, UH, THAT IS TO INFORM, UH, PUBLIC AND DECISION MAKERS OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONSEQUENCES OF THE PROJECT IDENTIFY, UH, IMPACTS MITIGATION MEASURES AND ALTERNATIVES.
UH, IT DOES NOT EVALUATE THE MERITS OF THE PROJECT.
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OF IF THE PROJECT WAS BUILT, WHAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS WOULD BE.IT DOES NOT GRANT PROJECT APPROVALS OR ENTITLEMENTS.
UH, THE ROLE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS TO PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL ON THE DRAFT, EIR CONSIDER THE ADEQUACY OF THE DRAFT EIR, AND IDENTIFY ANY POTENTIAL CHANGES, CLARIFICATIONS, OR ADDITIONAL INFO.
THIS IS JUST, AGAIN, A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF THE DIFFERENT SECTIONS.
UM, AGAIN, ANY OF THE TOPICS YOU DON'T SEE HERE, THOSE WERE COVERED IN THE INITIAL STUDY CHECKLIST.
THAT'S AN APPENDIX TO THE EIR.
UM, SO AGAIN, WITH THAT INITIAL STUDY, IN COMBINATION WITH THE TECHNICAL TOPICS HERE, WE'VE COVERED ALL OF THE SQUA TOPICS.
UM, IN THE ANALYSIS, WE'RE GONNA KIND OF TOUCH ON A FEW OF THESE, UM, WHAT WE'RE CALLING, UH, KEY CONSIDERATIONS.
AND, UH, SO THE DRAFT HOUR ANALYSIS IDENTIFIES THAT THERE WOULD BE SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS TO BIOLOGICAL RESOURCES, UM, HYDROLOGY AND WATER QUALITY AND TRANSPORTATION SPECIFICALLY, UH, CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC.
BUT THE DOCUMENT, UH, INCLUDES MITIGATION MEASURES, UH, TO REDUCE THOSE IMPACTS TO A LESS THAN SIGNIFICANT LEVEL.
UH, BELOW THE RELEVANT, UH, THRESHOLD THAT WE USE TO DETERMINE IMPACTS, UH, THERE ARE TWO CATEGORIES FOR WHICH THE DRAFT EIR DETERMINE THERE WOULD BE SIGNIFICANT AND UNAVOIDABLE IMPACTS.
UM, THOSE INCLUDE GHG EMISSIONS OR GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS AND TRANSPORTATION, SPECIFICALLY VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED.
SO LET'S TOUCH A LITTLE BIT MORE ON, ON THOSE ITEMS. UH, FIRST BIOLOGICAL RESOURCES, THIS IS A, AN EXHIBIT FROM THE BIOLOGICAL CHAPTER THAT, UH, ILLUSTRATES THE HABITAT TYPES ON SITE.
UM, YOU'LL NOTICE, OF COURSE, ADOBE CREEK, UM, ALONG THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE SITE, AS WELL AS SOME, UH, ONSITE WETLAND AREAS, UM, THAT ARE SHOWN IN BLUE.
UH, ADOBE CREEK IS DESIGNATED BY THE NATIONAL OCEANIC ADMINISTRATION, FISHERIES, UH, AGENCY AS CRITICAL HABITAT FOR STEELHEAD.
UM, STEELHEAD HAD BEEN OBSERVED IN THE CREEK AS RECORDED IN THE STATE'S, UH, DATABASE OF RECORDS FOR PROTECTED SPECIES, AS WELL AS BY, UH, UNITED ANGLERS OF CASA GRANDE, UH, WHICH IS AN ORGANIZATION, UH, BASED ON THE HIGH SCHOOL THAT HAS BEEN, UM, IMPLI, UH, PIVOTAL IN THE RESTORATION EFFORTS AT THE CREEK, UH, IN TERMS OF, UH, RESTORING THE HABITAT, UM, PLANTING TREES AND SO FORTH CONSISTENT WITH GENERAL PLAN POLICY FOR P DASH ONE, UM, DEVELOPMENT IS PROHIBITED FROM OCCURRING WITHIN 50 FEET OF ANY TRIBUTARY OF THE PETALUMA RIVER, WHICH INCLUDES ADOBE CREEK.
UM, ALL NEW DWELLINGS WOULD BE LOCATED BEYOND THAT 50 FOOT SETBACK FROM THE CREEK.
UM, BUT THERE IS LIMITED CONSTRUCTION PROPOSED WITHIN 50 FEET OF THE CREEK, UM, WHICH INCLUDES THE OFFSITE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE, UH, TWO NEW STORM WATER OUTFALL STRUCTURES.
AND SO THE DRAFT EIR INCLUDES MITIGATION MEASURES TO ENSURE THAT THAT LIMITED, UH, CONSTRUCTION DOES NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT PROTECTED SPECIES.
UM, SUCH THINGS AS ENSURING THAT THE WORK IS DONE, UM, DURING THE DRY SEASON, UM, AND ALSO ENSURING THAT, UH, EROSION CONTROL FEATURES ARE INSTALLED TO PROTECT THE STEELHEAD, FOR EXAMPLE, AND MOVE ON TO, UH, HYDROLOGY AND WATER QUALITY.
UM, AS YOU MAY KNOW, THE UH, FEMA AGENCY, UH, ISSUED A LETTER OF MAP REVISION, UM, IN 2023 FOR THE PROJECT SITE AND SURROUNDING AREA THAT SHOWS THE SITE AS BEING OUTSIDE OF THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN.
UM, NEVERTHELESS, UH, TO ENSURE CONSISTENCY WITH THIS DOCUMENT AS WELL AS THE UPDATE EFFORT TO THE GENERAL PLAN.
WEST CONSULTANTS, UH, IS INVOLVED BOTH IN THE ANALYSIS HERE FOR THIS PROJECT, AS WELL AS THE GENERAL PLAN.
AND THE MODELING THAT'S BEING DEVELOPED FOR THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE WAS UTILIZED.
UH, AND THAT SHOWS THE PROJECT SITE.
MAJORITY OF IT IS BEING WITHIN THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD PLAIN.
SO THE DECISION WAS MADE TO, LET'S HAVE A CONSERVATIVE ANALYSIS HERE, UM, AND LET'S PROCEED WITH ASSESSING THE
AND SO THE MODELING THAT WAS DONE IN THAT EFFORT SHOWS THAT THE PROJECT WOULD RESULT IN VERY MINIMAL INCREASES IN WATER SURFACE ELEVATION.
ALL OF THE WATER WOULD BE CONTAINED WITHIN THE CHANNEL, UH, THAT THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY ADVERSE IMPACTS, UH, DOWNSTREAM OR UPSTREAM.
THE SITE ALSO INCLUDES ONSITE, UH, BIO RETENTION FEATURES THAT WOULD HOLD BACK PEAK STORM FLOWS.
SO THAT WAS ALL INCORPORATED INTO THE MODELING AS WELL.
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THE DRAFT ER IDENTIFIED THAT THE PROJECT WOULD HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT RELATED TO VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED.SO I'M JUST GONNA KIND OF GO THROUGH A COUPLE, UH, COUPLE METRICS HERE THAT YOU PULLED FROM THE DRAFT DIR.
UM, THE STARTING POINT IS TO LOOK AT WHAT IS THE CURRENT, UH, CITYWIDE, UH, HOME BASE VMT OR VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED PER CAPITA OR PER PERSON.
UM, AND THAT IS 17.8, UH, VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED PER PER PERSON.
UM, THE CITY'S THRESHOLD FOR DETERMINING IF A PROJECT WOULD HAVE A LESS SIGNIFICANT VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED IMPACT IS THAT THE PROJECT MUST HAVE A VMT PER CAPITA AT LEAST 16.8% BELOW THE CITYWIDE AVERAGE.
SO THAT RESULTS IN A 14.8 VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED PER PERSON.
UM, SO THE ANALYSIS FOR THE PROJECT SHOWS THAT THE PROJECT WOULD HAVE A VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED PER PERSON OF 16.
YOU CAN SEE THAT HERE IN THE TABLE PULLED FROM THE DRAFT EIR.
SO THE THRESHOLD IS 14.8 VMT PER CAPITA, AND THE PROJECT WOULD HAVE 16 VMT PER CAPITA, WHICH IS A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT.
UM, THE PROJECT INCLUDES SOME FEATURES, UH, INHERENT IN THE DESIGN, UH, TO ENSURE THAT VMT IS MINIMIZED, THAT INCLUDES BOTH DENSITY, UM, INCREASED DENSITY IS, UH, HAS BEEN DEMONSTRATED TO REDUCE VMT.
UM, THE PROJECT HAS APPROXIMATELY 14.5, UH, NET DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
THAT'S THE NATIONAL AVERAGE IS ABOUT NINE.
AND ALSO THE, UH, MULTI-USE, UH, PATH.
IT ALSO WOULD REDUCE VMT, UH, TO ALLOW PEDESTRIAN MOVEMENTS THROUGH THE AREA TO AND FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL AND SO FORTH.
UM, THE IMPACT ITSELF IS LARGELY A, A CONSEQUENCE OF THE PROJECT'S LOCATION.
THERE, THERE IS A, YOU KNOW IT, AND THERE IS TRANSIT IN THE AREA.
UM, CERTAIN THINGS SUCH AS THE HEADWAYS FOR THE TRANSIT, UM, ARE NOT SUFFICIENT TO CONTINUE TO REDUCE THAT BMT LEVEL.
AND SO, UH, AND BEYOND THE FEATURES IN THE PROJECT, UH, THE DRAFT YARD DETERMINES THAT THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY ADDITIONAL FEASIBLE MITIGATION MEASURES, OR WHILE THERE COULD BE, THERE'S VERY LIMITED EFFECTIVENESS.
SO, UM, THAT WAS CONSIDERED IN, IN DETERMINING THAT THERE'S A GENERAL LACK OF MITIGATION THAT WOULD MEANINGFULLY FURTHER REDUCE THE VMT BEYOND THE, THE DENSITY IN THE MULTI-USE PATHWAY COMPONENT.
GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS WAS ALSO DETERMINED TO BE SIGNIFICANT, UNAVOIDABLE.
AND, UH, IN SHORT, THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE THE BAY AREA AIR QUALITY MANAGEMENT DISTRICT HAS RECENTLY ADOPTED THRESHOLDS, ONE OF WHICH IS UNDER THE TRANSPORTATION CRITERIA, THAT A PROJECT MUST REDUCE VMT BY AT LEAST 15% BELOW THE EXISTING VMT.
SO WE HAVE A VMT SIGNIFICANT IMPACT.
SO THAT TRANSLATES INTO A, A GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS IMPACT.
THE PROJECT IS, UH, CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER BACK BAY AREA AIR QUALITY MANAGEMENT THRESHOLDS, INCLUDING PROHIBITING NATURAL GAS, UM, AND UTILIZING ENERGY EFFICIENTLY.
AND SO IT'S, IT'S SIMPLY THE ONE CRITERIA RELATED TO VMT THAT TRIGGERS THE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS IMPACT.
UM, THE ALTERNATIVES EVALUATED IN THE EIR, UM, ARE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE A RANGE OF, UH, ALTERNATIVES THAT WOULD INFORM DECISION MAKING.
UH, THE PROJECT EIR DID INCLUDE A RANGE OF ALTERNATIVES, INCLUDING, UH, FIRST OFF, THE NO PROJECT, NO BUILD ALTERNATIVE.
UH, YOU SURE YOU'VE SEEN THIS IN, IN YEARS BEFORE YOU, BEFORE, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY THE NO DEVELOPMENT WOULD OCCUR ON SITE AND IT WOULD REMAIN IN ITS CURRENT CONDITION.
UH, THE NO BRIDGE ALTERNATIVE INCLUDES ALL COMPONENTS OF THE PROJECT, EXCEPT THE BRIDGE CONNECTION OVER ADOBE CREEK.
FOR THE MULTI-USE PATHWAY, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ALTERNATIVE, UM, CONSIST OF THE SAME 59 RESIDENTIAL UNITS, BUT THEY WOULD BE OFFERED, UH, ALL AS A HUNDRED PERCENT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND ALL OTHER PROJECT COMPONENTS WOULD REMAIN THE SAME, UH, FOR THE IDENTIFICATION OF WHAT IS CALLED THE ENVIRONMENTALLY SUPERIOR ALTERNATIVE.
UH, THAT WOULD BE THE NO PROJECT, UH, ALTERNATIVE.
BUT THE SQL GUIDELINE SAYS IF THE NO PROJECT IS, UH, THE ENVIRONMENTALLY SUPERIOR ALTERNATIVE, YOU MUST SELECT ANOTHER ONE.
'CAUSE YOU HAVE TO SELECT ONE THAT AT LEAST MEETS THE BASIC OBJECTIVES OF THE PROJECT.
UM, AND SO WITH THAT, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ALTERNATIVE WAS IDENTIFIED AS ENVIRONMENTALLY SUPERIOR DUE TO THE FACT THAT IT WOULD ELIMINATE, UM, THE, THE SIGNIFICANT UNAVOIDABLE GHG AND VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED IMPACTS.
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AND SO THAT PRESENTS THE, UH, RANGE OF ALTERNATIVES.AND, UH, AT THIS POINT, I'M GONNA KINDA WRAP UP MY PORTION OF THE SLIDE AND THEN TURN IT OVER TO OLIVIA FOR A FEW ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.
YEAH, THANK YOU NICK, FOR THAT.
AND I JUST WANNA TACK ON, UH, BRIEFLY TO THE ALTERNATIVES.
UH, JUST TO HELP EVERYONE UNDERSTAND, UM, THE CQA PROCESS DOES, UH, REQUIRE AN ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS THAT IS, UM, DRIVEN BY THE, UH, PROJECT OBJECTIVES.
AND THE, UH, CQA DIRECTS US TO INVESTIGATE ALTERNATIVES THAT WOULD AVOID ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
SO, UM, IN REGARDS TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ALTERNATIVE, UM, THE, IT IS, IT IS IDENTIFIED AS, UM, AS THE ENVIRONMENTALLY SUPERIOR.
UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS BECAUSE THERE IS SOME INFORMATION AT THE STATE LEVEL THAT SUGGESTS THAT ALL AFFORDABLE, UH, HOUSING, UH, DOES NOT, UH, HAVE A VMT IMPACT.
BUT I WILL, UM, ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THE FINANCIAL FEASIBILITY OF THAT ALTERNATIVE REMAINS TO BE, UM, UNDERSTOOD.
THAT IS JUST BECAUSE IT'S AN, AN ENVIRONMENTAL ALTERNATIVE IN THE, IN THE SE Q ANALYSIS DOES NOT MAKE IT A FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE ALTERNATIVE.
AND THAT CAN BE FURTHER INVESTIGATED THROUGH THE FINAL.
AND, UM, SIMILARLY, THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE ABILITY OF THE, YOU KNOW, OF, OF AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMPONENT AT THIS LOCATION TO ACTUALLY REDUCE VM TS TO LEVELS BELOW SIGNIFICANCE IS ALSO REMAINS, UM, UH, TO A, A POTENTIAL CONSIDERATION JUST 'CAUSE THE STATE STATES THAT, AND THERE'S PLENTY OF, UM, INFORMATION OUT THERE TO SUGGEST THAT THAT, UH, HAS NOT BEEN QUANTIFIED, THAT HAS NOT BEEN ANALY, UH, ANALYZED IN DETAIL AT THIS LOCATION.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE FURTHER INVESTIGATED IN, IN THE FINAL.
BUT, UM, IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE AN APPLICATION THAT IT IS REVIEWING FOR A HUNDRED PERCENT AFFORDABLE.
WHAT WE HAVE IS THE PROPOSED PROJECT, WHICH DOES MEET THE 15% INCLUSIONARY ON SITE AND ADDRESSES THE GENERAL NEED FOR HOUSING THAT'S BEEN ENVISIONED THROUGH MULTIPLE CYCLES OF THE CITY'S ADOPTED HOUSING ELEMENT.
UM, AND IT IS AN ELIGIBLE HOUSING ACCOUNTABILITY ACT PROJECT, AND IT DOES, UM, ADVANCE THE CITY AND ITS PRO HOUSING DESIGNATION.
SO, UH, JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT FOR CONTEXT AS WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THE PROJECT ALTERNATIVES.
UM, AND THEN BEFORE I MOVE ON TO THE SLIDE RECOMMENDATION, ALTHOUGH I AM GONNA CLICK FORWARD ON THAT, I DID JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE HAVE, UH, RECEIVED A NUMBER OF PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE DRAFT DIR AND IN RESPONSE TO THE STAFF REPORT ON THIS ITEM, THOSE HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THE AGENDA AND REVIEWED, AND THEY WILL BE INDIVIDUALLY CONSIDERED DURING PREPARATION OF THE FINAL EIR.
UM, COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS THAT RELATE TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS THAT ARE RAISED IN THOSE COMMENTS WILL BE FULLY EVALUATED AND SPECIFICALLY RESPONDED TO.
AND THAT INCLUDES THE COMMENTS RECEIVED FROM THE STATE AGENCIES.
WE DO HAVE A LETTER FROM CALTRANS, AS WELL AS THE DEPARTMENT OF TOXIC SUBSTANCE CONTROL, UM, BOTH OF WHOM PROVIDED COMMENTS, BUT NO OTHER STATE AGENCIES, UM, STATE AGENCY COMMENTS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED TO DATE.
SO, UM, I DO JUST WANNA MENTION THAT THERE HAS BEEN A NUMBER OF COMMENTS THAT ARE RAISED REGARDING, UM, UH, CONCERN ABOUT PARKING, UH, POTENTIAL FOR TRANSIT, IMPROVEMENTS IN PROXIMITY, THE CONSIDERATION OF TRAFFIC ASSOCIATED WITH THE HIGH SCHOOL.
UM, THESE ARE VERY IMPORTANT PLANNING CONSIDERATIONS, AND THEY'LL BE TAKEN IN, INTO ACCOUNT APPROPRIATELY.
BUT FOR SQA PURPOSES, THESE SPECIFIC THINGS, PARKING AND LEVEL OF SERVICE DELAY, HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN REMOVED FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL CHECKLIST.
AND, UM, AND THAT IS, UH, DUE TO A NUMBER OF FACTORS AND IS WELL SUPPORTED BY CASE LAW.
I DON'T WANNA GO, GO DOWN, UH, TOO BIG OF A RABBIT HOLE RIGHT HERE, BUT IT, IT'S ESSENTIALLY BOILS DOWN TO, UM, THE CENTRAL PURPOSE OF CCA, WHICH IS THE PROTECTION OF THE ENVIRONMENT, UM, FROM IMPACTS, UH, CAUSED BY THE PROJECT AS OPPOSED TO THE ENVIRONMENT'S IMPACT ON THE PROJECT.
SO, UM, UH, SUCH AS WHAT YOU MIGHT EXPERIENCE IF YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, DROPPING YOUR KID OFF AT SCHOOL OR, OR MAKING YOUR WAY THROUGH THAT AREA DURING SCHOOL DROP OFF.
AND YOU NOTICE A, A PRO A DELAY IN, IN, UH, TRAFFIC CON A, UM, A DELAY DUE TO TRAFFIC CONGESTION, UH, THAT IS FROM AN EXISTING CONDITION, THAT'S NOT, THE PROJECT ISN'T CAUSING THAT.
SO, UM, I WILL JUST, UM, CONCLUDE WITH JUST REMINDING THE, UM, THE COMMISSION WITH THE CENTRAL PURPOSE OF THE, UH, THE INTENT OF CQA AND THE EIR IS TO DISCLOSE THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS OF THE PROJECT TO I IDENTIFY MITIGATION MEASURES AND ALTERNATIVES THAT LESSEN OR AVOID THOSE IMPACTS, AND TO PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.
SO, UM, THE PURPOSE OF THIS, THIS HEARING TONIGHT IS TO RECEIVE THOSE COMMENTS.
UM, IT IS NOT INTENDED TO ANSWER EVERY QUESTION OR COMMENT RAISED, UH, TONIGHT.
THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE FINAL EIR.
SO, UM, I KNOW THAT CAN, THAT'S JUST PART OF THE PROCESS.
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PROVIDE CLARIFICATION, OF COURSE, WHERE WE CAN AND, AND RECEIVE ALL OF THOSE QUESTIONS.I JUST WANTED TO, UM, REMIND FOLKS OF WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS AND WHAT, HOW WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
SO, UM, THE, THE RECOMMENDATION BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS TO CONSIDER THE ADEQUACY OF THE DRAFT DIR TO, UM, ACCEPT AND RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE DRAFT DIR TO PROVIDE COMMENTS, UM, TO, TO STAFF THAT WE WILL BE NOTING AND, UM, AND HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS IN THE FINAL, AND THEN ADOPT THE RESOLUTION THAT IS ATTACHED TO THE STAFF REPORT AS ATTACHMENT ONE THIS EVENING, RECOMMENDING THAT CITY COUNCIL, UM, DIRECT PREPARATION OF THE FINAL EIR.
AND I WILL LEAVE IT WITH THAT.
I WILL JUST ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE APPLICANT TEAM IS HERE TONIGHT.
UM, THEY'RE IN THE AUDIENCE, BUT THIS IS THE, THE PURPOSE TONIGHT IS TO FOCUS ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW.
AND SO THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A, UM, PRESENTATION BY THE APPLICANT THIS EVENING.
AND WITH THAT, I'LL HAND IT BACK OVER TO YOU CHAIR.
UM, BEFORE WE CLOSE OUT STAFF PRESENTATION, I'D LIKE TO INVITE, UH, DYLAN BRADY TO GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF A PRIMER ON THE HOUSING ACCOUNTABILITY ACT IMPLICATIONS TONIGHT.
THANKS FOR THE QUESTION CHAIR.
AND THAT IS A VERY TOUGH QUESTION.
THE STATE LEGISLATURE, UH, DIDN'T PROVIDE MUCH GUIDANCE AND, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF SPECULATIONS IN THE CITY WORLD ABOUT THE INTERPLAY BETWEEN CA AND THE HOUSING ACCOUNTABILITY ACT.
UH, THIS PROJECT QUALIFIES FOR THE HOUSING ACCOUNTABILITY ACT, UM, AND AS FEW OF GUIDANCE THAT THERE IS FROM THE STATE, THERE'S PROBABLY EVEN LESS FROM CASES ANALYZING THE INTERPLAY BETWEEN CQA AND HOUSING ACCOUNTABILITY ACT.
SO, UH, DON'T HAVE REALLY TOO MANY ANSWERS.
UH, A LOT OF SPECULATIONS ABOUT HOW I WOULD THINK THAT THE CONFLICT WOULD KIND OF PLAY OUT.
UM, AND THERE IS A DEBATE TONIGHT, SO I'LL JUST TRY TO SIDESWIPE THAT QUESTION REAL QUICK BY ANSWERING THE QUESTION THAT I WISH YOU WOULD'VE ASKED ME.
BUT, UH, I'M JUST JOKING, I'LL GET TO YOUR QUESTION.
BUT TONIGHT'S ACTION, LIKE OLIVIA SAID, REALLY THE HOUSING ACCOUNTABILITY ACT SHOULDN'T COME INTO PLAY.
THAT'LL COME IN MORE WHEN THE PROJECT'S APPROVED, UH, IF IT GETS THAT FAR.
UH, BUT REGARDING THE HOUSING ACCOUNTABILITY ACT, WHAT IS CLEAR THOUGH IS THE HAA, THE HOUSING ACCOUNTABILITY ACT, IT DOES HAVE A SAVINGS CLAUSE THAT SAYS NOTHING IN THE HAA LIMITS CITIES, THEIR REVIEW UNDER SEQUENCE.
UH, THE HAA IS ALSO PRETTY CLEAR THAT THE, FOR A CITY TO DENY A QUALIFYING PROJECT UNDER THE HA AND QUALIFYING, THAT MEANS THAT IT MEETS ALL THE CITY'S OBJECTIVE STANDARDS, THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE SPECIFIC ADVERSE IMPACTS CAUSED BY THE PROJECT.
AND I HAVE RIGHT HERE WHAT THAT DEFINITION OF SPECIFIC, UH, SIGNIFICANT, SPECIFIC ADVERSE IMPACTS.
SO IT NEEDS TO BE SIGNIFICANT, QUANTIFIABLE, DIRECT, AND UNAVOIDABLE, AND IT NEEDS TO BE BASED ON OBJECTIVE WRITTEN PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY STANDARDS, POLICIES OR CONDITIONS THAT EXISTED WHEN THE APPLICATION WAS DEEMED COMPLETE.
SO, AGAIN, TO DENY A PROJECT UNDER THE HAA, YOU NEED TO HAVE THOSE SPECIFIC ADVERSE IMPACTS.
UM, SO UNDER C EQUA, TYPICALLY A PROJECT THAT HAS SIGNIFICANT, UH, IMPACTS LIKE CREEKWOOD HERE WITH BMT, THE CITY COUNCIL OR, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD NEED TO ADOPT OVERRIDING CONSIDERATIONS, ESSENTIALLY, THAT THE BENEFITS OF THE PROJECT OUTWEIGH THOSE SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS.
UH, AND, AND, BUT IF C CITY COUNCIL DID NOT APPROVE THE PROJECT, DID NOT MAKE THOSE SPECIFIC ADVERSE IMPACT, UH, UH, OVERRIDING CONSIDERATIONS, THEN THE PROJECT WOULD BE DENIED.
HOWEVER, THAT'S NOT A DENIAL UNDER THE HAA 'CAUSE.
THE ONLY WAY TO DENY UNDER THE HAA, AGAIN, IS TO MAKE THOSE SPECIFIC ADVERSE IMPACTS.
UH, THE LEGISLATURE COULD HAVE HELPED OUT THE, UH, CITY ATTORNEYS REVIEWING.
THEY COULD HAVE SAID, HEY, UH, A SIGNIFICANT THRESHOLD UNDER CE QA THAT CONSTITUTES A SPECIFIC ADVERSE IMPACT UNDER THE HA, THEY DIDN'T DO THAT.
SO WE CAN ASSUME JUST WITH LEGISLATIVE INTERPRETATION, THAT THOSE ARE TWO SEPARATE THINGS.
UH, SO NOT NECESSARILY A SIGNIFICANT OVERRIDE, AGAIN, CONSTITUTES A, UH, SPECIFIC ADVERSE IMPACT UNDER THE HA UH, THIS PROJECT WITH CREEKWOOD, UH, AGAIN, IT HAS SIGNIFICANT, UH, UNAVOIDABLE IMPACTS DUE TO VMT.
UH, THAT WILL PROBABLY BE HARD TO SAY THAT IT IS A SPECIFIC ADVERSE IMPACT, IF NOT IMPOSSIBLE.
AND I THINK THAT IS BECAUSE, AGAIN, TO QUALIFY UNDER THE HAA, UH, A PROJECT NEEDS TO MEET EVERY SINGLE, UH, OBJECTIVE STANDARD THAT A CITY HAS.
AND WHEN THE CITY MAKES THOSE OBJECTIVE STANDARDS, IT GOES THROUGH THE CQA PROCESS.
SO A PROJECT THAT DOES NOT QUALIFY UNDER, OR THAT PROJECT THAT DOES QUALIFY UNDER THE HA, IT'S PROBABLY PRETTY DIFFICULT TO SAY THAT IT, IT HAS A SPECIFIC ADVERSE IMPACT WHEN IT MEETS ALL THOSE CITY OBJECTIVE STANDARDS.
UH, THE ONLY WAY I COULD THINK OF IS THAT THE,
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UH, BASIS FOR THOSE OBJECTIVE STANDARDS ARE FLAWED.UM, SO I THINK PROBABLY THE STATE LEGISLATURE WAS PRETTY PURPOSEFUL WHEN THEY MADE THOSE LANGUAGE, UH, IN THOSE SUBSECTIONS TO MAKE IT PRETTY INFREQUENT THAT A CITY CAN DENY UNDER THE HAA.
UM, SO I THINK CONSEQUENCES ARE PROBABLY NOT, UH, PROVING A PROJECT THAT QUALIFIES UNDER THE HA, UH, YOU'LL LIKELY BE SUED BY EITHER THE DEVELOPER, UH, PRO HOUSING ADVOCATES, EVEN THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.
I THINK THEY'RE GETTING A LITTLE MORE AGGRESSIVE NOW.
WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T MAKE HCD TOO HAPPY.
UM, AND I JUST THINK THAT THIS IS PROBABLY THE NEW NORMAL WITH, UH, WE'VE SEEN A COUPLE, UH, TWO VEA, UH, AND I THINK WE'LL SEE OTHER FUTURE PROJECTS QUALIFYING UNDER THE HA.
SO THIS MIGHT BE A NEW NORMAL, UH, CHAIR.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT, HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION.
THERE'S NOT A LOT OF SPECIFICS I CAN GET THAT HELPS IF YOU'VE GOT MAYBE JUST THREE SENTENCES ON SB THREE 30, ALSO KNOWN AS THE HOUSING ACCOUNTABILITY ACT FOR THOSE WHO MAY NOT BE AS FAMILIAR.
SO I WILL ALSO ADD TOO, I FORGOT TO SAY, UM, THAT IT WILL LIKELY BE HARD TO FIND THAT THE VMT IS A SPECIFIC ADVERSE IMPACT.
UH, IT BEGAN BECAUSE IT QUALIFIES, UH, UNDER THE CITY'S, UH, OBJECTIVE STANDARDS, WHICH INCLUDES ITS LAND USE, IT IS DESIGNED FOR RESIDENTIAL AT THIS DENSITY.
SO, UH, IT, IT QUALIFIES FOR THOSE.
SO IT'S HARD TO SAY THAT THE CITY'S LAND USES ARE INCORRECT BECAUSE OF THE VMT.
SO WHAT WAS YOUR OTHER QUESTION, CHAIR ABOUT SB THREE 30, JUST A FEW SENTENCES ON A, ON A QUICK THREE 30 PRIMER FOR THOSE WHO MIGHT NOT BE AS FAMILIAR.
SB THREE 30 IS A STATE LAW THAT REALLY KIND OF STARTED TAKING EFFECT IN 2019.
I THINK DEVELOPERS REALIZED THAT, UH, IT HAS A LOT OF TEETH, BUT IF FOR PRO, UH, PROJECTS THAT QUALIFY UNDER SB THREE 30, THE HOUSING ACCOUNTABILITY ACT, AND THEN THE HOUSING CRISIS ACT, A CITY CANNOT DENY PROJECTS UNLESS IT MAKES THOSE SPECIFIC ADVERSE IMPACTS, UH, WHICH AGAIN NEEDS TO BE SIGNIFICANT, QUANTIFIABLE, DIRECT, UM, AND UNAVOIDABLE.
AND JUST A QUICK DEFINITION ON WHAT A QUALIFIED PROJECT WOULD BE.
THAT WOULD MEET ALL OF THE CITY'S OBJECTIVE STANDARDS, POLICIES, GENERAL PLAN, UM, YEAH.
ZONING CODE, WHICH, WHICH DOES THIS PROJECT DOES.
WE'RE NOT QUITE TO PUBLIC COMP.
THE POINT OF ORDER IS THIS, COULD YOU HELP? I UNDERSTAND NORMALLY DON'T TYPE.
ARE WE SAYING THAT THIS PROJECT IS UNDER THE WE ARE.
THAT'S WHAT I JUST ASKED HIM TO CONFIRM.
THE, THE QUESTION IS NOT A VALID POINT OF ORDER UNDER ROBERT'S RULES.
UM, WE WILL BE GETTING TO PUBLIC COMMENT MOMENTARILY.
AND AS I WAS, UH, CLARIFYING WITH, UM, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY, THIS DOES INDEED CONSIST OF A QUALIFIED PROJECT UNDER SB THREE 30 THAT ALIGNS WITH ALL OF THE PREVIOUSLY ESTABLISHED HOUSING REGULATIONS AND GOALS FOR THAT RIGHT PARCEL, IT COMPLIES WITH THE CITY'S ZONING CODE.
THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THAT OVERVIEW ON SB THREE 30, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY RELEVANT TO US TONIGHT, AND WILL BE, UH, AS YOU SAID, VERY LIKELY THE NEW NORMAL GOING FORWARD.
SO BEFORE, UM, WE HEAD INTO PUBLIC COMMENT, I'M JUST GONNA THROW A QUICK SLIDE UP HERE THAT WILL HOPEFULLY COOPERATE.
ALL RIGHT, SO THIS IS OUR MAIDEN VOYAGE, LIKE I SAID, OF OUR REFRESH MEETING WORKFLOW, UM, STAFF AND APPLICANT PRESENTATION PRETTY REGULAR.
UM, BUT NOW HEADING INTO COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS.
UM, THIS IS OUR CHANCE TO ASK STAFF AND THE APPLICANT, UM, SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, INQUIRE ABOUT METHODOLOGY OR CLARIFY DATA.
I DO ASK THE COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE AVOID LEADING QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING THAT IS TOO, UH, LOOSEY GOOSEY COMMENT RELATED.
WE'RE GONNA MOVE ALL OF THOSE TYPES OF, UM, THAT TYPE OF FEEDBACK, BRAINSTORMING TO THE COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION AT 0.4.
UM, AND IF YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, IT'S PERFECTLY FINE TO PASS.
UM, SO WITH THAT, WE'RE GOING TO OPEN UP COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO KICK US OFF WITH A COMMISSIONER? QUESTION? SEEING NONE.
UH, SO JUST A COUPLE GENERAL QUESTIONS ON METHODOLOGY.
UH, ON PAGE TWO DASH 25, LET ME MAKE SURE I KNOW WHAT ITEM I'M TALKING ABOUT HERE.
UH, AND THIS IS INTERFERE SUBSTANTIALLY WITH THE MOVEMENT OF NATIVE RESIDENT MIGRATORY FISH WILDLIFE SPECIES.
THE LEVEL OF SIGNIFICANCE WAS MARKED LESS THAN SIGNIFICANT, YOU KNOW, SEEING ELSEWHERE MITIGATION MEASURES FOR SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS FOR PROTECTED SPECIES.
CAN YOU JUST WALK THROUGH THAT DETERMINATION
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OF LESS THAN SIGNIFICANT THERE? YES.UH, SO THAT DETERMINATION REALLY FOCUSES IN ON THE, THE WORDING OF THAT THRESHOLD QUESTION FROM APPENDIX G, WHICH IS SUBSTANTIAL INTERFERENCE, UH, WITH, WITH ANIMAL MOVEMENTS THROUGH THE AREA.
AND BASED ON OUR CONSULTATION WITH THE, THE BIOLOGIST FOR THE PROJECT, UM, IT, WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE'S ANY PROJECT FEATURES THAT WOULD SUBSTANTIALLY INTERFERE WITH, WITH WILDLIFE MOVEMENTS.
UM, THE PROJECT DOES, UH, RESPECT THAT SETBACK WITH RESPECT TO DEVELOPMENT, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SOME LIMITED IMPROVEMENTS LIKE I HAD MENTIONED.
UM, BUT THERE ARE MITIGATION MEASURES TO IN ENSURE THAT THERE'S NO ADVERSE EFFECTS TO, UM, THE SPECIES THEMSELVES.
SO IT'S NOT THAT THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY POTENTIAL DISTURBANCE, BUT IT REALLY FOCUSES IN ON THAT SUBSTANTIAL, UH, INTERFERENCE.
AND WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S THE CASE.
AND THEN I HAVE SOMETHING SIMILAR FOR 4.1 DASH 11.
AND JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING, I BELIEVE BECAUSE OF THE OTHER MITIGATION MEASURES FOR KIND OF RELATED IMPACTS, WE DEEMED THE EFFECTS OF CUMULATIVE LOSS OF HABITAT FOR SPECIAL STATUS SPECIES TO BE LESS THAN CUMULATIVE.
IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S ANOTHER GOOD QUESTION.
CUMULATIVE IMPACTS CAN, IS, IS AN INTERESTING TOPIC.
UM, WE TRY TO MAKE A DISTINCTION OF, UH, THAT THERE CAN BE A COMBINED CUMULATIVE EFFECT WITH THE, WITH A PROJECT AND OTHER, UH, DEVELOPMENT IN THE PIPELINE.
UM, BUT THAT CE QA DOES ALLOW FOR A PRACTITIONER TO SAY, WELL, WHAT ABOUT THE PROJECT'S INCREMENTAL CONTRIBUTION TO THAT OVERALL COMBINED EFFECT? AND SO WHILE THERE COULD BE A SIGNIFICANT COMBINED EFFECT, WE HAVE FOUND THAT THE PROJECT WITH MITIGATION HAS AN INCREMENTAL CONTRIBUTION THAT WOULD NOT BE SIGNIFICANT OVERALL.
AND THEN, UH, I THINK THE FINAL CLARIFICATION ON THE PEDESTRIAN WALKWAYS ON SITE AND SLIGHTLY OFFSITE THERE, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE.
UH, I DIDN'T SEE THERE IS ANY LIGHTING BEING PROPOSED FOR ANY OF THOSE PATHWAYS OR WALKWAYS? UH, I DON'T, WELL, THE, THE BRIDGE ITSELF, UH, I THINK THAT'S ADDRESSED THROUGH THE, UH, THE AESTHETIC SECTION.
I'LL, I'LL DOUBLE CHECK THAT FOR YOU IN TERMS OF, UH, THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED.
'CAUSE THAT'S IN THE INITIAL STUDY, UH, CHECKLIST WHERE WE EVALUATED LIGHTING.
SO I'LL DOUBLE CHECK THAT AND SEE WHAT THE FINDINGS WERE.
AND I THINK OLIVIA ANSWERED A LOT OF MY OTHER SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, SO I THINK I'M ALL SET YOU RIGHT.
I JUST HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
UM, GIVEN THE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS AND THE CITY PROCESS RIGHT NOW, CAN YOU HEAR ME NOT, OR DO I HAVE TO JUST BE RIGHT ON TOP OF IT? OKAY.
UM, GIVEN THE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS AND THE DEADLINES AND THE CITY PROCESS TO ACT ON THIS PROJECT, THIS IS OUR ONE OPPORTUNITY AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO LOOK AT THE DRAFT EIR.
WE DON'T HAVE A SECOND CHANCE.
WE DON'T HAVE A POSSIBILITY OF LOOKING AT IT AGAIN.
AND I KNOW THAT YOU GAVE US AN EXPLANATION OF THE VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED AND THE GREENHOUSE GAS, BUT COULD YOU DO US THE SHORTER VERSION OF THAT, THE EASIER TO UNDERSTAND VERSION FOR EVERYONE WHO'S LISTENING TO WHAT THAT MEANS? BECAUSE THE TRAVEL, EVEN THOUGH WE CAN'T ADDRESS THE CITY STREET TRAVEL AND THE, THE CONGESTION THERE, BUT WHAT DOES THAT REALLY MEAN FOR, FOR THIS REPORT? UH, OKAY, SO I CAN, HERE'S WHAT I CAN OFFER IN RESPONSE
UM, SO THE CITY HAS, UM, TAKEN A, UH, A HIGHER THRESHOLD FOR THE VMT THAN WHAT THE STATE RECOMMENDED IN MAKING TRUE ON THE PROMISE TO, UM, BE A, YOU KNOW, WORK TOWARDS CLIMATE, UM, RESILIENCY AND, AND, UM, CLIMATE NEUTRALITY BY 2030.
UM, AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF FACTORS THAT COME INTO PLAY AT THAT.
WE ARE IN A POINT OF TIME IN A REGULATORY PROCESS WHERE OUR LAND USE PLAN AND THE AVAILABILITY OF MITIGATIONS THAT WOULD OFFSET VMT IMPACTS HAS NOT YET CAUGHT UP TO THAT DESIRE TO REDUCE THOSE THRESHOLDS.
RIGHT? WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF A GENERAL PLAN UPDATE.
OUR CURRENT GENERAL PLAN IS, UM, YOU KNOW, QUITE DATED AND, UH, WE HAVE A REGIONAL ECONOMY THAT, UM, REQUIRES AND DEMANDS TRAVEL IN AND AROUND AND OUTSIDE OF THE REGION.
SO, UM, BY THE NATURE OF THE LOCATION OF THIS PROJECT AND, UM, THE LACK OF THE ABILITY TO, THAT WE HAVE A PROGRAM DESIGNED AND A LAND USE PLAN DESIGNED
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TO, UM, TO REDUCE THOSE IMPACTS.WE SIMPLY ARE IN A LOCATION AND A POINT IN TIME WHERE THERE AREN'T FEASIBLE MITIGATION THAT ARE MEASURABLY REDUCING THOSE V MTS TO BELOW THAT LEVEL.
IT IS COMPLICATED BY THE FACT THAT THIS PROJECT IS IN A LOCATION WITHIN THE CITY THAT HAS A HIGHER THAN AVERAGE VMT.
SO IF YOU'RE RIGHT DOWNTOWN, NOT A PROBLEM.
BUT THIS IS OUT ON THE EDGE OF TOWN STILL INFILL STILL WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF OUR URBAN LIMIT AND STILL, UM, WHERE WE WANNA SEE DEVELOPMENT HAPPEN AND WHERE WE'VE COMMITTED TO SEEING HOUSING HAPPEN FROM THE GENERAL PLAN AND ZONING.
UM, SO I CAN OFFER YOU THAT AS THE CHALLENGE WITH THE VMT AND, UM, AND JUST, I GUESS I'LL, I'LL REMIND FOLKS THAT THERE'S A PROCESS FOR, UM, THE REC RECONCILING WHEN YOU HAVE AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT THAT CAN'T BE AVOIDED, AND, UM, STILL HAVING A PROJECT THAT MEETS THE OBJECTIVES AND IS DESIRABLE FOR THE CITY AND IMPLEMENTS MOST OF THE CITY'S OBJECTIVES.
AND THAT'S THROUGH WHAT'S CALLED A STATEMENT OF OVERRIDING CONSIDERATIONS.
AND SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU TAKE A LOOK AT ON THE WHOLE OF THE PROJECT, AND YOU EVALUATE AND ASSESS, DOES THIS ACCOMPLISH OUR MAJOR OBJECTIVES? DO WE STILL GET A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE? DO WE STILL GET HOUSING THAT WE IS NEEDED? AND THAT WE HAVE SAID IS SO, UM, SO HOPEFULLY THAT KIND OF ADDRESSES THE BMT AND THEN YOU CAN THINK ABOUT ALL OF THOSE COMMENTS AS IT RELATES TO THE GREENHOUSE GASES AS WELL, BECAUSE THAT IMPACT IS DRIVEN BY THOSE V THOSE, UM, THOSE CAR TRIPS.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE EMISSIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED ARE MODELED BASED ON, UH, A TRADITIONAL VEHICLE.
BUT WE HAVE SEEN A SHIFT IN HOW PEOPLE, UM, COMMUTE AND GO TO THE OFFICE OR STAY HOME TO WORK AND, AND HOW THEY'RE COMMUTING AND WHAT KINDS OF CARS THEY'RE DRIVING.
THERE'S MORE ELECTRIC ON THE ROAD THAT DOESN'T TAKE THIS INTO CONSIDERATION.
SO, UM, JUST THOSE ARE THINGS TO, TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THESE ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, CONSERVATIVE ANALYSIS USING THE TOOLS THAT WE HAVE AND THE LIMITATIONS OF THE THRESHOLDS THAT ARE TODAY IN THE CONTEXT OF OUR REGIONAL ECONOMY WHERE WE'RE STILL, UM, MUST DRIVE AND COMMUTE TO WORK.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT HELPS SET SOME OF THAT STAGE.
UM, I'M NOT SURE THAT WAS A SHORT VERSION, BUT YES, I THINK IT CLEARED IT UP A LITTLE BIT.
AND THEN I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE DRAFT.
EIR FOR SPAR, BUT SINCE I'M NEW HERE, I GET TO ASK THE DUMB QUESTIONS.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THE TREE REMOVAL AND THE REPLACEMENT PLAN WITHIN THE PROJECT PROPOSAL, WHAT IS THE PLAN TO REPAIR, REPLACE, AND MAKE WHOLE THE RIPARIAN WATERWAY? ARE WE GOING TO ADD NATIVE VEGETATION LIKES IN AMERICAN DOGWOOD AND CALIFORNIA WILD ROSE AND HONEYSUCKLE AND TOYON AND WESTERN, UH, SPICE BUSH? UM, WILL THEY BE UTILIZED WHEN THAT IS BROUGHT TO? ITS BACK TO NATURE'S THING.
IT'S A, IT'S A BIG CONCERN FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE IS WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT CREEK.
IT'S A NATURAL CREEK RIGHT NOW, EVEN THOUGH IT IS BEEN PART OF A RURAL AGRICULTURAL ZONE FOR QUITE A LONG TIME.
SO THE, UM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.
THE TREE, UH, PROTECTION AND PRESERVATION PLAN, UH, DOES REQUIRE THAT ANY TREES REMOVED BE OFFSET AND, UM, REPLACED.
AND SO THIS PROJECT DOES ACCOMMODATE, UH, REPLACEMENT TREES ON SITE FOR THE REMOVAL OF THOSE.
AND, UM, AND SOME OF THOSE MAY BE APPROPRIATE FOR REPLANTING WITHIN THE RIPARIAN CORRIDOR ITSELF, AND THAT WOULD BE INVESTIGATED, UM, FURTHER ALONG IN THE PROJECT AND IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE REGULATORY AGENCIES THAT WOULD ISSUE THOSE PERMITS.
SO, UM, YEAH, I THINK I'M MORE CONCERNED BY THE LOW LEVEL PLANTS, LIKE SEG IS USED BY THE NATIVE AMERICANS, AND THEY WOULD LOVE IF THAT SECTION IS REPLANTED, UM, WHERE IT IS IN ITS NATURAL FORM.
UM, AND SO I'D LIKE JUST NOT A TREE PROJECT, BUT A NATURAL PROJECT OF ALL THE GROWING THINGS.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A, UM, EXCELLENT COMMENT FOR US TO, UM, NOTE AND TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION AS WE COME BACK WITH THE FINAL, THERE MAY BE A OPPORTUNITY TO WEAVE SOME OF THAT INTO A, UM, EITHER A CONDITION OR A, UM, A MODIFIED MITIGATION TO SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS THAT COMMENT.
UH, JUST A BRIEF QUESTION RELATED TO THE TREES.
UH, I KNOW THE LANDSCAPE PLAN IS NOT PART OF THIS REVIEW, BUT, UM, ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, THERE ARE TREES SHOWN IN THE FRONT YARD, ARE THOSE TREES CONSIDERED PART OF THE REPLACEMENT FOR THE TREES REMOVED? UH, THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION.
THE ANSWER, UH, IS, IS YES, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S REFLECTED IN A TABLE ON THE TREE PRESERVATION PLAN,
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AND THERE COUNTS SHOWING HOW THEY'RE MEETING THE, THE MUNICIPAL CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR REPLACEMENT.AND THAT DOES INCLUDE THE ONSITE, UH, TREE PROPOSAL.
UH, SO ARE THOSE TREES ON PROJECT PUBLIC PROPERTY OR ARE THEY ON PRIVATE PROPERTY? THOSE DETAILS? I, I, WE WOULD HAVE TO VERIFY AND YEAH.
WELL, I MEAN, IT'S A QUESTION IF THEY'RE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, I, I CAN'T SEE HOW YOU, YOU COULD COUNT THOSE AS REPLACEMENT TREES BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT MAINTAINED BY ANY, ANYBODY ELSE BUT THAT LANDOWNER AND YOU HAVE NO CONTROL.
NOW WE CAN, WE CAN ALSO INVESTIGATE THE, THE MAINTENANCE MECHANISM AS WELL, UM, FOR THE PROJECT IN TERMS OF A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION.
DON'T KNOW THE EXACT EXACT DETAILS OFF THE TOP, BUT WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT.
AND AS PART OF THE RESPONSE TO YOUR, TO YOUR COMMENT.
OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? ALL RIGHT.
UM, AT THIS STAGE, UH, THERE HAD BEEN SOME, UH, PREVIOUSLY OR, UH, SOME SUBMITTED PUBLIC COMMENTS.
UH, RAISING THE QUESTION OF THE BRIDGE LOCATION.
I'M CURIOUS, ARE WE LOCKED IN AT THE BRIDGE LOCATION? IS THAT SOMETHING WE WOULD DISCUSS AT SPAR? WHAT ARE, WHAT IS OUR FLEXIBILITY ON THE BRIDGE LOCATION? UM, SO NOTHING HAS BEEN APPROVED OR SET IN STONE.
THIS IS WHAT'S BEEN EVALUATED AND THIS LOCATION, AS YOU HEARD IN THE PRESENTATION, WAS SELECTED BASED ON THE INTENT TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACTS.
AND THAT'S BASED ON THE WIDTH OF THE, THE CHANNEL CROSSING THE PRESENCE OF, UH, MATURE AND ESTABLISHED TREES IN THAT LOCATION.
UM, AND, AND OBVIOUSLY AS A RIPARIAN, UH, CORRIDOR, THERE'S AN ABUNDANCE OF TREES ACROSS THE ENTIRE SEGMENT AND SO IT WAS REALLY DRIVEN TO MINIMIZE THE TREE REMOVAL.
SO, UM, YOU ARE IN WELCOME AND INVITED TO PROVIDE COMMENTS OR RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT, UM, HOW, WHAT ELSE WE LOOK AT OR WHERE ELSE WE, UH, LOOK AT.
BUT I JUST TO SET THE STAGE THAT WAS, UM, THAT WAS THE DRIVING POINTS FOR WHERE THE LOCATION OF THE BRIDGED WAS, UM, SELECTED.
AND THEN CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT TOOLS ARE IN OUR TOOLBOX TO POTENTIALLY REQUIRE ADDITIONAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING BEYOND THE 15% IF WE HAVE A TOOL AVAILABLE TO MAKE IT 25%, UM, OR HIGHER.
SO I CAN KICK IT OFF, BUT I'M GONNA LOOK OVER TO THE CITY ATTORNEY TO WEIGH IN.
UM, WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT THE CITY'S REQUIREMENT IS THE 15% INCLUSIONARY AND THAT HAS BEEN MET AND PROMISED AS PART OF THIS PROJECT.
YEAH, I WOULD AGREE THAT RIGHT NOW ALL THE CITY HAS AT OUR, UH, TOOL BELT IS JUST THE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING, WHICH IS 15%.
WE CAN'T REQUIRE ANY ADDITIONAL ONES.
JUST TO READ IT BACK TO MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING, WE AS CURRENTLY MANDATED BY THE CITY REQUIRE 15% THAT IS BEING MET AND WE CANNOT AT THIS STAGE INCREASE THAT BY PROJECT OR CORRECT.
AND THEN I GUESS SIMILARLY, WHAT, UM, TOOLS ARE IN OUR TOOLBOX REGARDING BIKE LANE AND CASA GRANDE IMPROVEMENTS? AND MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR SPAR, SO FEEL FREE TO KICK ME DOWN THE ROAD.
UM, BUT THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY BROUGHT UP AS WELL THAT THAT CORRIDOR COULD USE SOME LOVE.
UM, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S RIGHT.
ANY, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS OR SUGGESTIONS ABOUT, UM, THOSE CAN CERTAINLY BE RAISED THIS EVENING, BUT IN TERMS OF UM, WHAT IT IS, THE APPROPRIATENESS OF A NEXUS TO REQUIRE THEM IS, UM, A DIS YOU KNOW,
I WILL SAY THAT THE, UM, AS NICK MENTIONED IN THE PRESENTATION, THE, UH, LOW LYING FRUIT IN TERMS OF WHAT COULD EASILY BE, UM, THE, NOT EASY, BUT THE, UM, EFFECTIVENESS OF AN INCREASING PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY LIKE THE CROSSWALK THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN INSTALLED.
THERE ALREADY IS BIKE LINES, THERE ALREADY ARE SIDEWALKS.
SO WITHIN THAT, THERE MAY BE SOME SUGGESTIONS FOR SOME ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS, BUT UM, CERTAINLY AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS, ITS MEETING WHAT THE CITY'S PLANS AND REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR, UH, THAT ON THE STREET, UH, ALREADY.
LAST CALL FOR COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS.
OH, UM, JUST A QUESTION, UM, BASED ON SOMETHING THAT, THAT JESSICA WAS ASKING, UM, I WALKED PART OF THE, THE LOCATION AND, AND THE STREET OUTSIDE, BUT HOW DO I GET TO THE BRIDGE LOCATION? IS THERE A BACK STREET THAT I SHOULD KNOW ABOUT AND, AND I WAS IN MY WHEELCHAIR TO GET THERE, SO I'M NOT SURE I CAN EVEN GET TO THE BRIDGE LOCATION IN MY WHEELCHAIR.
YEAH, UM, WELL, AS IS CURRENTLY THE CASE ON THE
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SITE, THERE'S NO, UM, ACCESS TO THE BRIDGE LOCATION.SO IT IS QUITE A RUGGED, UM, ACCESS AND IT'S UM, THROUGH PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW.
SO IT IS NOT, UM, PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE AND CERTAINLY NOT, UM, ACCESSIBILITY ACCESSIBLE.
UM, BUT WITH THE PROJECT AS PROPOSED, IT ABSOLUTELY WOULD BE AND THERE WOULD BE, UM, ACCESSIBLE PATHS TO AND THROUGH AND CONNECTING TO THE BRIDGE.
SO, BUT YOU COULD GET TO THE SPYGLASS SIDE OF IT CURRENTLY.
WHAT I WAS ASKING, APOLOGIZE IS THE SPYGLASS, CAN I GET THROUGH THAT DIRECTION? YES.
UM, YES, ON THE OTHER SIDE, SPYGLASS IS, UH, A PUBLIC ROAD AND IT DOES, UH, THE CUL-DE-SAC THERE.
THE DOES, UM, DEAD END RIGHT WHERE THE BRIDGE WOULD LAND.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT TO THE SOUTH OF WHERE SPYGLASS TIES IN, BUT IT IS, UM, PRETTY MUCH CO-TERMINUS WITH THE EXTENT OF THE EXISTING, UM, PAVED IMPROVEMENT, IF I'M RECALLING CORRECTLY.
YEAH, BECAUSE I WAS JUST WONDERING BECAUSE YOU SAID WE COULD PROVIDE YOU WITH ALTERNATIVES, BUT HOW DO WE ACTUALLY DRAFT THOSE ALTERNATIVES AND I CAN'T GET THERE TO DO THE MEASURES.
UH, ON THE SPYGLASS SIDE, UM, YOU DO HAVE QUITE A NICE VIEW, UH, ALONG THE SIDEWALK OF, UM, THE MAJORITY OF THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE, OF THE SITE.
SO YOU COULD SEE ALMOST THE ENTIRE FRONTAGE FROM THE SPYGLASS SIDE.
COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON, UM, UH, UM, CASA GRANDE ROAD IS, ISN'T THAT ON LIKE THE LIST TO BE UPGRADED IN A FEW YEARS, THE ENTIRE ROAD IN FRONT OF THE SCHOOL? DO WE KNOW THAT? YES, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS ON THE LIST.
AND IT'S A MAJOR OVERHAUL, I MEAN, OF THE ROAD ITSELF.
UH, I'M NOT AWARE OF THE SPECIFIC IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD BE PART OF THAT.
I KNOW THAT THAT IS IN PROCESS AND UNDER, UNDER DEVELOPMENT.
BUT I THINK IT'S A COUPLE YEARS OUT, BUT THAT WILL BE NOT PART OF THIS PROJECT.
UM, AS FAR AS LIKE, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER, IF I COULD, IF I COULD INTERJECT ON ON YOUR COMMENT.
CASA GRANDE IS WELL UNDER CAPACITY AND IS A STRONG CANDIDATE FOR A LANE REDUCTION PROJECT, WHICH WOULD EN ENABLE US TO ENABLE US TO ADD ON-STREET PARKING AND PROTECTED BIKE LANES ALONG THE CORRIDOR, INCLUDING ON THE EASTBOUND SIDE AT CREEKWOOD AND AT THE, UH, PEP PROJECT WHERE ON-STREET PARKING IS CURRENTLY PROHIBITED, THEY'VE HELD A, UH, SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL MEETING AT CASA GRANDE AND HEARD FROM SEVERAL RESIDENTS WHO COMPLAINED ABOUT HAVING TO CROSS CASA GRANDE TO ACCESS OVERFLOW PARKING AND UH, UH, DESIGN COULD RESOLVE THAT.
AND UM, THEY CAN ALSO ADD CROSSWALKS ALONG THE CORRIDOR TO IMPROVE ACCESS TO THE HIGH SCHOOL.
AND FINALLY, UM, THE, UH, INDUSTRY STANDARD SAYS THAT REDUCING LANES FROM FIVE TO FOUR TO THREE HAS AN ADVERSE IMPACT ON TRAFFIC, UH, OR ROADS THAT ARE CARRYING ABOUT 20,000 VEHICLES PER DAY.
AND AT PRESENT, CASA GRANDE CURRENTLY, UM, HAS TRAFFIC OF LESS THAN 9,000 VEHICLES PER DAY.
SO THAT THEN TRANSLATES INTO, UH, THEIR COMMENTS THAT IT'S A STRONG CANDIDATE FOR A REDESIGN.
THAT'S LIKE, I KNEW IT WAS 2026 OR 27, SO THAT'S GREAT.
UM, AND UM, COMMISSIONER FRY, I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE YOU TO SPYGLASS TO SHOW YOU WHERE THE, UM, THE BRI WHERE THE EXISTING TRAIL IS AND HOW THEY, UM, THEY CONNECT.
I WENT THERE TODAY AND LOOKED AT THAT.
UM, AS FAR AS, WELL I'M NOT EVEN GONNA GET INTO THAT 'CAUSE I THINK THAT IS THE NEXT STEP.
IF HYPOTHETICALLY, IF, IF THIS MOVES FORWARD AND THE BRIDGE IS WHERE IT IS, UM, THE FENCING THAT EXISTS ON THE EXISTING TRAIL, COULD THAT BE INCLUDED IN THIS PROJECT FOR THE NEIGHBORS TO HAVE IMPROVED FENCING? 'CAUSE IT'S THEIR FENCING'S OLDER AND KIND OF BREAKING DOWN A LITTLE BIT SINCE, SINCE THERE'LL BE A BRIDGE THERE AND MORE FOOT TRAFFIC, I THINK IT CAN, UM, CERTAINLY BE ASKED
SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT NOTE FOR THE SPAR
THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHY I WASN'T REALLY GONNA GO INTO THIS TODAY.
UM, AND SO I JUST WANT, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THIS IS MORE LIKE RAVINE AWAY THEN THIS IS, YOU KNOW, 15% AFFORDABLE AND THEN OTHER IT'S JUST MARKET RATE, THE REST OF THIS.
I'M GOING TO CLOSE COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS.
UM, AND WE ARE GOING TO MOVE INTO PUBLIC COMMENT.
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UH, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON.
IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY DONE SO, PLEASE FILL OUT YOUR SPEAKER CARD AND BRING IT TO THE CLERK.
I'LL ALSO ASK THAT IF YOU PLAN TO SEED YOUR TIME TO PLEASE NOTE THAT ON YOUR SPEAKER CARD OR IF YOU HADN'T NOTED ALREADY, UM, WHEN I TEE YOU UP TO SPEAK, UM, ANNOUNCE IT BEFORE YOUR OFFICIAL NAME IS CALLED FOR YOUR TURN.
UM, AND BEFORE WE GET INTO THIS SMALL PILE OF, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT, I WILL SHARE A QUICK SLIDE AS IT RELATES TO OUR REVISED MEETING FLOW.
UH, AND JUST TO CLARIFY FOR FOLKS WHO ARE PERHAPS, UM, NOT WELL VERSED IN PUBLIC COMMENT, IT IS A ONE-WAY CONVERSATION.
YOU ARE COMMENTING TO US, YOU ARE, UM, UNFORTUNATELY UNABLE TO ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS OF THE COMMISSION OR STAFF, BUT I WILL DO MY VERY BEST TO COLLECT YOUR, UH, APPLICABLE AND DIRECT QUESTIONS AND SEEK TO GET ANSWERS ON YOUR BEHALF AT THE END.
SO JUST BEAR IN MIND THAT IT IS REGRETTABLY NOT A DIALOGUE, UM, BUT WE WILL DO OUR BEST TO COLLECT QUESTIONS AND ANSWER THEM AT THE END.
SO WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
FIRST UP IS AMY STEAD, FOLLOWED BY RICK PARKER.
UM, MY NAME IS AMY AND I ACTUALLY LIVE IN THE MECHANIC COMMUNITY THAT WAS JUST BUILT.
SO, UM, I AM GRATEFUL FOR THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS BUILT THERE, OBVIOUSLY.
UM, WE, BEFORE WE MOVED THERE 18 MONTHS AGO, WE LIVED IN SOUTHGATE, WHICH IS JUST A MILE AWAY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE GROVE APARTMENTS.
SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS AREA.
I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE ROADS.
UM, IT WAS SO DANGEROUS BEFORE MCKENNA WAS BUILT.
IT WAS EVEN MORE DANGEROUS NOW.
AND I ACTUALLY AM VERY FEARFUL, UM, FOR WHAT IT WILL BE LIKE WHEN THIS DEVELOPMENT IS BUILT FOR ITS SLATED 59 UNITS.
UM, I HAVE TWO CHILDREN RIGHT NOW WHO ARE ATTENDING THE HIGH SCHOOL WHO ARE WALKING ACROSS.
I ALSO HAVE STUDENTS, UM, AT KENNELWORTH AND AT SONOMA MOUNTAIN.
SO I'M TRAVELING THIS EVERY SINGLE DAY.
I HAVE ACTUALLY SEEN, EXCUSE ME, STUDENTS ALMOST GET HIT IN THE CROSSWALK.
IT'S A HORRIBLE AREA WHERE THEY PUT THAT CROSSWALK.
UM, PEOPLE ARE PARKING IN RED ZONES ALL OVER THE PLACE BECAUSE OF WHERE THEY PUT THE CROSSWALK.
UM, THERE'S NO, UM, TURNING LANE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO GET INTO THE HIGH SCHOOL.
UM, REGARDLESS THOUGH, WHEN IT GOES TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, I REALLY HOPE THAT YOU GUYS CONSIDER THAT THE, UM, MAIN THOROUGHFARE FOR THESE HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS, UM, IS THROUGH THE MCKENNA WALKWAY, WHICH WAS NOT BUILT AND DESIGNED FOR HEAVY TRAFFIC.
AND IT WILL BE EVEN HEAVIER TRAFFIC IF THIS DEVELOPMENT IS, UM, BUILT THE WAY IT IS PLANNED, BECAUSE THEY DID NOT, IT IS INSUFFICIENT PARKING FOR THE 59 UNITS.
I AM SO GRATEFUL FOR THE DELAWARE NEIGHBORS WHO SPOKE UP WHEN MCKENNA WAS BEING CONSIDERED BECAUSE IT WAS SLATED TO HAVE ONE CAR GARAGES, AND THEY GOT IT CHANGED TO TWO CAR GARAGES.
EVEN THEN OUR PARKING IS SPILLING OVER INTO THE DELAWARE NEIGHBOR NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE HAVE ALREADY BEEN TENSION, UM, COMPLAINTS FILED TO THE CITY BOTH WAYS BECAUSE GUESS WHAT? EVEN EXISTING NEIGHBORS HAVE THINGS THAT THEY ARE DOING THAT ARE NOT, UM, CORRECT WITH THE CITY.
UH, AND I FORESEE THAT THIS WILL, IT WILL JUST HAVE A DOMINO EFFECT.
SO I DO THINK THAT PARKING NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED ENVIRONMENTALLY FOR THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT ALSO BECAUSE YOUR MAIN TRAFFICKED AIR UNDER OR UNSUPERVISED MINORS, THE AMOUNT OF TRASH THAT THEY PRODUCE IS INCREDIBLE.
AND THERE ARE NO TRASH RECEPTACLES.
THERE WAS NONE PLACED IN THE MCKENNA NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE ONE OF THE MAIN WALKWAYS PA THROUGH TO THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS.
UM, AND IT'S JUST, IT IS NOT DESIGNED FOR UNSUPERVISED MINERS AT ALL.
AND SO I REALLY, I, I REALLY HOPE THAT THEY COMPLETELY GET RID OF THE BRIDGE.
I HOPE THAT THEY DO NOT CONNECT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD PATHWAY WITH THIS DEVELOPMENTS PATHWAY.
I DO HOPE THEY PURSUE THIS DEVELOPMENT.
I JUST HOPE THAT THEY REDUCE THE AMOUNT, ESPECIALLY, I'M SORRY, YOUR TIME'S UP.
RICK PARKER, FOLLOWED BY CAROL REBELL.
UM, IT'S AN HONOR TO BE HERE AND THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR SERVICE.
AND, UH, TO COMMISSIONER FRY, PLEASE COME TO MY HOUSE.
I HATE TO BE CALLED A NIMBY, BUT THE BRIDGE WILL BE IN MY BACKYARD.
UM, BUT REALLY ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME OVER AND VISIT YOU REALLY NEED TO SEE.
AND I'D BE HAPPY TO BRING PHOTOS.
AND I KNOW JANICE CATER THOMPSON WAS OUT THERE
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TODAY.UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY, I THINK THE THING, UH, EXCUSE ME.
I'VE LIVED ON ADOBE CREEK FOR 38 YEARS.
MY WORK WIFE WORKED AT CASA FOR 20 YEARS.
I WORKED WITH YOUTH AND YOUTH MINISTRY FOR 15 YEARS.
THE BIGGEST THING MISSING IN THIS EIR FOLKS IS SEEING THIS FROM PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE.
I DIDN'T HEAR IT MENTIONED ONCE YOU ARE BETWEEN A HIGH SCHOOL WITH 1900 STUDENTS ON A VERY BUSY STREET, A CREEK WITH STEELHEAD, TROUT AND THINGS, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE ENDANGERED.
AND THEN AT A LARGE APARTMENT COMPLEX, WHICH HAS NOT BEEN MENTIONED TONIGHT, THE GROVE, FORMERLY LAKEVILLE APARTMENTS, ET CETERA.
AND IF YOU PUT THAT PATH IN, YOU WILL HAVE HUNDREDS OF STUDENTS.
AND IT'S EVEN IN THE EIR GOING.
I KNOW HIGH SCHOOL KIDS WORK WITH 'EM, LOVE THEM.
THEY'LL GO STRAIGHT THROUGH MCKENNA, HUNDREDS OF THEM.
YOU CAN GO SEE IT ON ELI BOULEVARD TODAY.
TODAY THEY GO ON ELI AND THEY GO INTO THE FRONT OF THE APARTMENTS AS THEY SHOULD.
THERE IS AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE ON THE CREEK WITH METAL, WITH THE APARTMENT BUILDING TO KEEP KIDS FROM HOPPING THE FENCE.
THEY HAVE ATTEMPTED TO DO THAT NUMEROUS TIMES.
YOU DO NOT WANT TO SEND HUNDREDS OF KIDS OVER THAT FENCE.
I HAVE ALSO REACHED OUT TO THE APARTMENT COMPLEX, THE, UH, SCHOOL DISTRICT.
WE HAVE HAD FIRES IN THE CREEK.
THE KIDS, UH, LOVE KIDS, BUT THEY ACTUALLY HAD A CAMPFIRE GOING IN THE CREEK AND LEFT WHEN THE BELL RANG TO GO BACK TO CASA.
PLEASE REVIEW THE OVERPASSES ON, UH, SARTOR AND ELI THAT GO OVER ADOBE CREEK, TRASH, DEBRIS, BEDDING, ET CETERA.
I WOULD THINK THAT HAS AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ON THE FISH AND OTHER THINGS.
A COUPLE OF THINGS OF GREAT CONCERN ALSO AROUND THE RESIDENT'S PERSPECTIVE.
SAFETY, AS AMY MENTIONED, IT IS MORE DANGEROUS NOW BECAUSE OF THAT CROSSWALK.
AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO SEE WHAT HAPPENS OUT THERE TODAY.
IT'S WORSE THAN IT WAS BY FAR.
UM, IF ANYONE, I, I CAME HERE WANTING TO WORK WITH FOLKS.
I, UH, I AP I APPRECIATE THE HELP WE'VE GOTTEN, BUT THERE IS NO PLACE FOR US TO DIALOGUE ON THIS.
I WAS ON A SCHOOL BOARD FOR 10 YEARS.
THIS IS NOT THE WAY TO GO THROUGH A VERY COMPLICATED PROJECT.
AND THEN WE HEAR THAT THE STATE'S, UH, LAWS IN PLACE.
WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH EXTREME MEASURES.
YES, MY TIME'S UP, MY THREE MINUTES.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK WITH ME AFTERWARDS, PLEASE.
THIS IS, SIR, YOUR TIME IS UP.
AND LET'S REFRAIN FROM CLAPPING, PLEASE TO MAINTAIN DECORUM IN THE CHAMBERS.
MOVING ON TO CAROL CRAY, BILL FOLLOWED BY JACK BYRNE.
THEN ONTO OUR FINAL SPEAKER, SPEAKER CARD.
I HAD A DERMATOLOGY TREATMENT.
I SPARE YOU HAVING TO LOOK AT MY, UH, FACE TODAY.
UH, I UNDERSTAND THE STATED DESIRE TO PUT OFF CONSIDERATION OF PARKING AND PATHWAY TRAFFIC, UH, TO A LATER STAGE.
HOWEVER, UH, I GUESS I WOULD CHALLENGE THAT ADDRESSING THESE KNOWN ISSUES COULD CAUSE A CHANGE IN THE DESIGN WITH, UH, UH, A REQUIRED ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.
SO I DON'T THINK YOU CAN JUST WAIT UNTIL LATER TO ADDRESS ISSUES THAT MIGHT HAVE A, AN ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, IMPACT.
UH, I'VE GOT WRITTEN COMMENTS THAT I PUT IN, BUT ADDITIONAL COMMENTS THAT I'D LIKE TO MAKE HERE RELATED TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, CONSIDERATION OF TRANSIT, ROADWAY AND, AND PEDESTRIAN.
THE ADDITIONAL PATHWAY THAT YOU PROPOSED TO CONNECT TO CREEK WITH CREEKWOOD IS TOO NARROW TO EVEN ALLOW A BICYCLE TO PASS A PEDESTRIAN.
IT WAS BUILT FOR A SMALL COMMUNITY.
IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT WIDE EVEN BEFORE CONSIDERING ANY SPACING REQUIREMENT.
SO IF YOU'RE WALKING THERE, THERE'S NOT ROOM FOR A BIKE TO GO PAST YOU.
IT WOULD BE WORSE IF IT WAS AN ELECTRIC BICYCLE.
SO IF, IF YOU WANNA DO THAT AND FORCE TRAFFIC ON, MAKE SURE THE PATHWAYS ARE WIDE ENOUGH, WIDER PATHWAYS ARE GONNA BE A PROBLEM BECAUSE THERE'S EXISTING TREES THAT MAY NARROW, THAT THERE ARE STEEP SLOPES ON THE SIDE OF THE PATHWAY THAT MIGHT REQUIRE A WIDER PATHWAY.
THAT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE A SMALL CHANGE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT NEED MIGHT HAVE
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AN ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, UH, IMPACT.AND THOSE COSTS HAVE TO BE, HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED.
UH, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S BEEN A PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC STUDY.
YOU KNOW, IN THE OLD DAYS, TRAFFIC STUDIES JUST MEANT VEHICLES.
WELL, IF WE'RE GONNA PROMOTE, YOU KNOW, PEDESTRIAN AND BIKES, THEN PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC HAS TO BE CONSIDERED.
AND IF YOU THINK LOOKING AT THE BRIDGE LOCATION THAT THE TRAFFIC BETWEEN THE HIGH SCHOOL AND THE EAST SIDE IS GONNA GO THROUGH THE NEW SUBDIVISION, I DON'T THINK SO.
YOU'RE GONNA FORCE IT TO GO THROUGH THE MCKENNA OR CASA GRANDE SUBDIVISION, THAT AREA AND PATHWAYS THAT WERE NOT DESIGNED TO HANDLE THAT KIND OF, UH, TRAFFIC HAS ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED.
THERE'S HUNDREDS OF, OF, UH, OF STUDENTS.
SO IF YOU WANT TO CONSIDER THAT, AGAIN, THERE'S AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT TO THAT KIND OF A DESIGN.
UH, MY LAST COMMENT, I GUESS HAS TO DO WITH BLUE ZONES.
UH, MAKE SURE YOU'RE CONSIDERING THE, YOUR, YOUR IMPACT AND GOALS OF BLUE ZONES WHEN YOU DO THINGS LIKE REDUCE PARKING AND LET'S GET RID OF CARS.
'CAUSE IT CREATES NEIGHBORHOOD TO NEIGHBORHOOD TENSION AS, AS AMY HAS ALREADY ALLUDED TO.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO OUR PUBLIC COMMENTERS IN THE ROOM.
AND I REALIZED I SKIPPED OVER A STEP BEFORE WE HEADED INTO THAT SEC, INTO THAT SECTION.
SO CLERK, UM, HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING TO CONFIRM? YES, WE RECEIVED AROUND 14 PUBLIC COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING, ALL OF WHICH HAVE BEEN PUBLISHED ONLINE, AND THEY'RE ALSO IN THE BACK AVAILABLE FOR VIEWING.
UM, BEFORE WE MOVE OFF OF PUBLIC COMMENT IS DOES STAFF HAVE ANY RESPONSES THEY WISH TO GIVE? I'VE GOT ONE, BUT YOU GO FIRST.
YEAH, I'LL JUST, UM, REITERATE THAT, UH, WE APPRECIATE THE, THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND WE TAKE ALL PUBLIC COMMENTS, UM, INTO CONSIDERATION.
THEY WILL BE, UM, FACTORED INTO THE FINAL EIR AND, UM, IF YOU PROVIDE A, A WRITTEN RESPO, WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO SUMMARIZE WHAT WE HEARD TONIGHT, OBVIOUSLY.
AND THEN IF YOU SUBMIT A WRITTEN COMMENT, UM, THAT WILL ALSO BE, UH, INDIVIDUALLY REVIEWED AND COMMENTS WILL BE CALLED OUT AND RESPONDED TO AS PART OF THE FINAL.
SO THAT IS THE, THE NEXT STEP IN THE PROCESS.
SO I WILL LEAVE IT THERE TONIGHT UNLESS THE COMMISSION HAS SOMETHING FURTHER THEY WANT TO ASK.
THAT DOVETAILS NICELY INTO THE ONE THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP, WHICH WAS THE PROCESS QUESTION.
IF YOU COULD BRING BACK UP THAT SLIDE, UM, OF WHERE WE ARE AND WHERE WE'RE HEADED.
AND JUST TO UNDERSCORE THAT THIS IS NOT A MEETING THAT IS, UH, DEDICATING ANY ENTITLEMENTS TO THIS PROJECT.
THE SOLE PURPOSE OF THIS MEETING IS TO RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL THAT THEY MOVE FORWARD WITH A FINAL EIR.
UM, AND TO, AS WE'VE HEARD FROM STAFF, EVALUATE THE ADEQUACY OF THIS DRAFT.
SO TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE NEIGHBORS WHO WOULD WANT TO BE AND ARE ABSOLUTELY INTEGRAL TO THIS CONVERSATION AND TO THIS DISCUSSION AND TO THIS PROCESS.
UM, AND WE MUST ACKNOWLEDGE WHERE WE ARE IN THAT PROCESS, WHICH IS EVALUATING THE ADEQUACY OF A DRAFT DIR AND WHEN IT COMES TO A LOT OF THE DESIGN CONSIDERATIONS AND OTHER COMPONENTS, UM, THAT WILL OBVIOUSLY BE IMPACTFUL TO THE NEIGHBORS, THAT'S MUCH MORE OF A SPA CONVERSATION, UM, WHICH IS DOWN THE LINE.
SO IF THERE'S ANY FURTHER YOU WANNA COMMENT ON SORT OF WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS, WHERE WE'RE GOING, AND WHERE THERE WILL BE OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC INPUT, THAT WOULD BE APPRECIATED.
WE ARE VERY MUCH IN THE MIDST OF THIS, UH, EIR PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, A ACCEPTING AND RECEIVING COMMENTS AND, UM, BEGINNING TO COLLATE THOSE.
AND WE WILL PREPARE A RESPONSE AS PART OF THE FINAL.
UM, I WILL, UH, JUST ADD THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE HEARD TONIGHT HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, GOT US ALREADY STARTING TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THOSE RESPONSES MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD OFFER, UM, AND JUST KEEP IT VERY SHORT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, IS THAT ONE OF THE PROJECT ALTERNATIVES THAT WAS CONSIDERED IS THE NO BRIDGE ALTERNATIVE.
SO, UM, JUST WANT TO RE-EMPHASIZE THAT WE HAVE DONE OUR BEST TO DO THE FULL RANGE OF ALTERNATIVES, UM, TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
AND THAT, UH, ABSOLUTELY IS SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION CAN, CAN WEIGH IN ON ABOUT WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO FURTHER, UH, CONSIDER OR SEE AS WE COME BACK WITH THE, AS THE FINAL, WHICH WILL BE, UM, UH, OUT THERE FOR
UH, EVEN IF THEY, IT MIGHT NOT BE BACK BEFORE THE, THE COMMISSION SPECIFICALLY.
UM, AND, AND THEN, YEAH, JUST TO REITERATE, UM, WHAT THE CHAIR JUST STATED, THIS IS ABOUT THE DEIR TONIGHT.
THERE ARE NO ENTITLEMENTS, THERE IS NO ACTION.
THIS IS ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL ADEQUACY.
SO I WILL END IT, STOP TALKING.
AND I BELIEVE WE CAN CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT THERE AND MOVE ON INTO
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OUR NEWLY MINTED COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION SECTION FOR WHICH, OH, IF YOU WOULD STOP SHARING SO I CAN DO A QUICK SLIDE, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.THANK, UNFORTUNATELY WE'VE CLOSED PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS STAGE, BUT YOU'RE WELCOME TO EMAIL ONE IN, UM, AND THIS MEETING ITEM WILL ALSO BE BROUGHT TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON MONDAY THE 16TH.
SO YOU'RE WELCOME TO EMAIL THE CITY CLERK OR GO TO THAT MEETING AS WELL.
I COULDN'T GET YOUR, SORRY ABOUT THAT.
UH, THE LETTER YOU GUYS SAID WAS RIDICULOUS.
I, I MUST ASK THAT WE KEEP DECORUM IN CHAMBERS AND, UH, AVOID SPEAKING WHEN NOT CALLED.
UM, WE'RE GONNA MOVE INTO COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION, WHICH AGAIN IS A NEWLY MINTED SECTION FOR US HERE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND IS WHERE WE'LL BE DOING OUR DELIBERATIVE DISCUSSION AS A QUASI-JUDICIAL BODY, UM, ALONG WITH STAFF AND THE APPLICANT WHERE APPLICABLE.
UM, WE'LL OBVIOUSLY BE DISCUSSING THE PROJECT RECORD.
UM, THIS ISN'T SPAR, SO I DON'T ACTUALLY THINK WE'RE GONNA BE GETTING INTO MATTERS OF NEXUS AND PURVIEW.
UM, BUT AGAIN, JUST OUR THOUGHTS AND FEEDBACK AND THEN HONE IN ON THE PRIORITIES, ANY SUGGESTED SUGGESTED ADJUSTMENTS OR AMENDMENTS.
UM, AND TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE ARE SOME CHANGES WE WISH TO MAKE TO THE RES RESOLUTION, I'LL EMPLOY STRAW POLLS TO SEE IF THERE IS A MEANINGFUL MAJORITY.
DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION ON THIS BEFORE WE GO INTO DISCUSSION? OKAY, YOU WANNA START DISCUSSION? LET'S DO IT.
I I HAVE A COMMENT THAT I THINK WILL BUILD OFF SOME OF WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC.
UH, AND THIS IS REALLY, I, I WROTE IN AN EMAIL THAT IT CONSIDERING IMPACTS ONCE THE SITE IS ACTUALLY COMPLETED, RIGHT? WE HAVE A LOT OF MITIGATION IMPACTS PRE-CONSTRUCTION DURING CONSTRUCTION.
THE ONE THAT STUCK OUT TO ME WAS MITIGATION MEASURE.
AND THIS IS ON PAGE 17, END OF 17 INTO 18, PRIOR TO THE COMMENCEMENT OF ANY EFFORT TO ADVERTISE OR PROMOTE THE SALE DWELLINGS, WELL, PROMOTIONAL MATERIALS THAT SAY ALL DOGS NEED TO BE LEASHED WITHIN 50 FEET OF THE RIP HABITAT.
THAT, AND COMBINED WITH THE 50 FOOT BUFFER WAS THE ONLY THING I SAW IN TERMS OF MITIGATION ONCE WE'RE LIVE AND PEOPLE ARE INHABITING IT.
SO I THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S DISCUSSION POINT OR JUST SOMETHING TO PLANT THE SEED.
OBVIOUSLY THE PUBLIC CAME OUT AND HAS CONCERNS ONCE THIS IS IN OPERATION.
SO THINKING ABOUT MITIGATIONS NOT ONLY PRE-CONSTRUCTION DURING CONSTRUCTION, BUT ONCE WE'RE LIVE AND WE HAVE OCCUPANCY, I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO THINK ABOUT ARE THE MITIGATION MEASURES WE HAVE IN THERE ENOUGH, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF SOME OF THESE COMMENTS.
UH, AND THEN ANOTHER QUESTION BROUGHT UP THAT I THINK IS KIND OF A CURIOSITY GIVEN SOME RECENT CHANGES TO CQA IN OUR CQA CHECKLIST IS REGARDING PARKING, UH, SPECIFICALLY, BUT TRAFFIC, I MEAN, EVEN IF IT'S NOT ON THE CHECKLIST, IS THERE A POINT IN WHICH ISSUES BECOME A MATTER THAT WE MUST CONSIDER UNDER CQA BECAUSE THEY ARE HAVING AN IMPACT? IS THERE EVER KIND OF A THRESHOLD THAT WE CROSS THERE OR IS THE GUIDANCE THAT YOU'VE SEEN FROM STATE AND OTHER GUIDING BODIES DETERMINING THAT? LOOK, IF IT'S NOT ON THE CHECKLIST, WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING BEYOND IT OR WHAT, WHAT IS THAT THRESHOLD? AGAIN, THAT'S KIND OF A BIGGER LONGER TERM QUESTION, BUT I JUST THOUGHT I'D THROW IT OUT THERE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'LL, IT'LL KEEP COMING UP.
SO, UH, OKAY, SO YOU ARE ASKING ABOUT ITEMS THAT MIGHT NOT BE ON THE CHECKLIST AND WHY THEY AREN'T THERE.
UM, SO I CAN TALK ABOUT THAT IN THE CONTEXT OF PARKING.
WELL, AND, AND AND WHEN IS THE POINT WHERE WE START TO CONSIDER THEM, THEY'RE NOT ON THE CHECKLIST, BUT THEY'RE HAVING ENOUGH OF AN IMPACT ENVIRONMENTALLY WHERE WE ARE COMPELLED TO EXAMINE THEM UNDER SQA.
UM, SO I, THAT COMES DOWN TO I THINK WHAT WOULD BE, UH, YOU KNOW, LOCAL GUIDELINES AND REGULATION, THEY WOULD HAVE TO RELATE BACK TO GENERAL PLAN POLICY.
UM, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT, UM, IS BROUGHT UP AS, YOU KNOW, CONCERNS.
FOR EXAMPLE, I CAN USE SAN FRANCISCO AS A, UH, AS AN EXAMPLE.
THEY HAVE THEIR, A LOT OF, UH, VERY HIGH RISE BUILDINGS.
AND SO SHADE AND SHADOW HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT THEY HAVE ADDED TO THEIR CHECKLIST AS A STANDARD.
SO THERE ARE PRO THERE IS A PROCESS TO GET, UM, TO HAVE OTHER THINGS THAT MIGHT BE LOCALLY CONSIDERED, BUT WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT, UM, KIND OF CASE BY CASE AND TAKE IT IN THE CONTEXT OF WHAT OTHER STATE LAWS OR CASE LAWS HAVE COME INTO PLAY AND WHY THOSE ITEMS MAY OR MAY NOT BE IN THE CHECKLIST ANY, ANY LONGER.
FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S VERY COMPELLING REASON WHY PARKING HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM THE CHECKLIST.
SO I'LL, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT, BUT HOPEFULLY THAT KIND OF HELPS TO PLANT A SEED FOR I, YEAH, I THINK THAT GIVES SOMETHING TO WORK WITH.
AND THEN MY FINAL PIECE, NOT AS BIG IN AN OVERARCHING AS THOSE TWO, UH, ON PAGE 18 INTO 19 MITIGATION 4.1 DASH FIVE AS IT GOES ON TO PAGE 19, CLOSER TO THE END, UH, THIS IS TALKING ABOUT PROTECTING NEST OF SPECIAL STATUS BIRDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THERE'S AN AREA AT THE BOTTOM THAT SAYS THE NON DISTURBANCE BUFFER.
SO THE BUFFER AREA AROUND THESE SPECIES MAY BE REDUCED IF A SMALLER PROTECTIVE
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BUFFER IS APPROVED.IS THERE ANY LEEWAY TO, OR HOW ABOUT I JUST ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER WHETHER WE NEED THAT OR WHETHER WE CAN ELIMINATE THAT JUST IN THE INTEREST OF REALLY DOING OUR UTMOST TO PROTECT SPECIAL DATA SPECIES.
SO, UM, AND THOSE ARE MY THREE BIG POINTS.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO THANK EVERYBODY WHO CAME AND COMMENTED TONIGHT, BUT I'D ESPECIALLY LIKE TO THANK ALL OF THOSE WHO SENT IN COMMENTS.
UM, I TOOK SEVERAL TRIPS TO THE LOCATION, UM, DURING DROP OFF TIME IN THE MORNING, PICK UP TIME IN THE AFTERNOON DURING A SUNDAY AFTERNOON TO SEE WHAT TRAFFIC WOULD BE ON A JUST A QUIET DAY, UM, WALKED SOME OF THE AREAS.
UM, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE SCHOOL.
THIS IS MY FOURTH GRANDCHILD WHO'S GOING THROUGH NOW.
UM, I TOOK TWO OF THEM WITH ME WHO WERE HOME FROM COLLEGE, UM, OVER THIS BREAK.
AND WE LOOKED AT THE SITE FROM THEIR POINT OF VIEW AND WHAT IMPACT THAT WOULD HAVE.
UM, AND I HAVE TO AGREE THAT THERE IS A TRAFFIC PROBLEM.
I'M NOT SURE IT'S A, UNDER THE DRAFT EIR I'M JUST, THAT'S NOT WHERE IT IS.
IT IS DEFINITELY A TRAFFIC PROBLEM.
UM, BOTH TEENAGERS WHO DON'T DRIVE WITH THAT FRONTAL CORTEX OF THEIR BRAIN THAT HASN'T DEVELOPED YET AND WHO, UM, THINK THEY HAVE TO BE FASTER OR SPEEDIER OR CUT CORNERS MORE.
I KNOW HOW MANY ACCIDENTS THERE HAVE BEEN.
I HAVE, UM, A GRANDDAUGHTER WHO'S A JUNIOR THIS YEAR AND SHE'S IN CHEER.
AND SO I'M BACK AND FORTH TO THAT SCHOOL A LOT.
UM, AND SO I'D LIKE TO FURTHER ADDRESS THAT WITH THE CITY.
UM, THE SECOND THING I WANNA BRING UP IS THE MITIGATIONS PROVIDED UNDER THE HEADINGS THAT WE LOOKED AT TONIGHT.
THE BIOLOGICAL RESOURCES, THE GREENHOUSE GAS, UM, THE TRANSPORTATION ISSUE AND THE HYDROLOGY AND WATER QUALITY, WHICH WE DIDN'T DEAL WITH MUCH.
UM, THEY HAVE IMPACT ON EACH OF THE AREAS OF CQA, BUT IT'S EVIDENT FROM THE STATUTE REQUIREMENTS OF THE SB THREE 30 THAT OUR LOCAL CONTROL IS EXTREMELY LIMITED.
AND I IMPLORE THE DEVELOPER AND THE COMMUNITY TO WORK WITH THE CITY AND ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS IN ORDER TO REFINE THE PLANS THAT MEET THE NEEDS OF THE RESIDENTS OF PETALUMA, BUT PARTICULARLY THOSE NEIGHBORS WHO ARE GOING TO BE IMPACTED BY THIS DEVELOPMENT AND WHATEVER TRANSPIRES FROM THE DEVELOPMENT, WHETHER WE GO FORWARD WITH THE BRIDGE OR THE, OR WHATEVER, THAT IT NEEDS TO BE A COOPERATIVE VENTURE WHERE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT HAS TO BE DONE AND WHAT COULD BE DONE, WHICH ARE TWO VERY DIFFERENT THINGS.
UH, I ALSO WANTED TO THANK EVERYBODY WHO SENT IN PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THIS.
I REMEMBER THE LAST PROJECT WE HAD IN THIS AREA, AND I, I THINK THE COMMENTER WHO CAME IN FROM THAT DEVELOPMENT, AND NOT ONLY DO I REMEMBER THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS WE HAD THEN WITH THAT PROJECT, I ALSO HAD A GOOD FRIEND TO LIVE DOWN THE STREET.
AND I REMEMBER JUST HOW MUCH OF A FRANKLY DEATH TRAP THAT STREET HAS BEEN PROBABLY FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS.
IT'S TO, TO QUOTE, UH, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER.
A LOT OF FOLKS WHO REALLY DON'T HAVE THEIR PREFRONTAL CORTEX DEVELOPED AND A LOT OF CONCERNS AROUND HOW THEY DRIVE.
SO I'M GRATEFUL FOR THE COMMENTS AND I'M GRATEFUL FOR THE CONCERN THAT FOLKS HAVE RAISED.
UH, THIS PROJECT IN PARTICULAR IS A LITTLE BIT FRUSTRATING FOR US 'CAUSE IT'S ANOTHER SB THREE 30.
UH, I KNOW THAT CITY ATTORNEY KIND OF RAISE SOME COMMENTARY ON THAT.
WE'VE HAD ONE PROJECT LIKE THIS BEFORE.
IT, IT CREATES A STRUGGLE FOR US BECAUSE, TO BE QUITE HONEST, THE COMBINATION OF SB THREE 30 AND THE HOUSING ACCOUNTABILITY ACT CREATES THIS INADEQUATE ISSUE FOR US WHERE OUR RULES AREN'T REALLY UP TO DATE YET.
WE HAVE ANOTHER GENERAL PLAN PROCESS TO GO THROUGH.
AND SO IT KIND OF TAKES ADVANTAGE OF HOLES IN OUR RULES TO GET SOME OF THESE THINGS THROUGH.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I REALLY WANT TO ASK FOR THE CITY TO DO, JUST LOOKING AT THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS AND RECOGNIZING THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ASKING FOR, ASKING THE CITY TO MOVE TO A FINAL DRAFT TONIGHT OR MOVE TO WORKING ON A FINAL DRAFT, IS REALLY PAIRING THE PROCESS FOR GETTING STREET IMPROVEMENTS ALONGSIDE THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UH, I'M GRATEFUL THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBER ASKED ABOUT THAT EARLIER, IF IT WAS A STREET THAT WOULD QUALIFY FOR THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.
IF WE'RE GONNA BE ADDING SO MANY MORE HOMES AND SO MANY MORE VEHICLES TO THAT AREA, WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE THESE THINGS HAPPEN
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IN PARALLEL.AND I REALLY HOPE THAT THE CITY IS ABLE TO PULL THAT OFF AS DIFFICULT AS THAT IS.
UM, THE OTHER ISSUE I WANTED TO RAISE, I I RECOGNIZE THAT INCREASED DENSITY IS A WAY OF MITIGATING THE VEHICLE'S MILES TRAVELED.
BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO SAY THAT WE'RE USING INCREASED DENSITY TO DEAL WITH VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED, THEN WE HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR SAFETY.
AND I RECOGNIZE THAT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY AN EIR ISSUE, BUT IT IS AN ISSUE FOR THE PROJECT.
AND I FEEL LIKE YOU CAN'T BRING UP ONE WITHOUT THE OTHER.
AND HAVING BEEN TO THE SITE TWICE SINCE THIS CAME UP AS A UPCOMING AGENDA ITEM, I ABSOLUTELY WANT TO AGREE WITH THE GENTLEMAN WHO TALKED ABOUT WHERE THE BRIDGE IS THAT IS ABSOLUTELY, ESSENTIALLY IN YOUR BACKYARD.
I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS YOUR HOUSE, BUT I KNEW WHERE THAT SITE WAS.
UM, IF WE COULD HAVE THAT ADDRESSED OF WHAT THAT ALTERNATIVE LOOKS LIKE WITHOUT THE BRIDGE, OR AT LEAST WITH DIFFERENT BRIDGE PLACEMENT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL FOR THE DISCUSSION DOWN THE ROAD SO THAT WE'RE NOT POTENTIALLY PUTTING THIS IN A BAD SPOT.
AND FINALLY, I JUST WANTED TO SECOND THE COMMENTS MADE BY MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER ON HOW WE GET THE PROCESS COMING FORWARD WITH THE FINAL, FINAL EIR TO REALLY BRING THE COMMUNITY IN BECAUSE IT'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
THIS REALLY ISN'T A MEETING FOR DIALOGUE WITH THE COMMUNITY.
THIS IS A MEETING FOR DIALOGUE BETWEEN COMMISSIONERS, BUT WE DO NEED ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY TO NOT ONLY KNOW THE PROCESS, BUT THEN BE ABLE TO PROVIDE MEANINGFUL INPUT AHEAD OF ANY FINAL DECISION.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER NOELL.
YEAH, I WANT TO ECHO THE APPRECIATION AND AND GRATITUDE FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO HAVE COME OUT TONIGHT, UH, SHARE THEIR CONCERNS.
UM, AT, YOU KNOW, AT THIS STAGE WITH OUR REVIEW OF THE DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT AND FEEDBACK ON THE DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT, I'D LIKE TO, UM, UH, ACKNOWLEDGE THE, THE MITIGATION MEASURES THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED, UH, TO REDUCE IMPACTS TO LESS THAN SIGNIFICANT LEVEL.
UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I WANNA EMPHASIZE THAT THAT MITIGATION MEASURES AND PROJECT ALTERNATIVES HAVE BEEN DESCRIBED AS THE HEART OF CE QA.
UM, AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S OUR OBLIGATION, OR WHEN I SAY OUR, I MEAN THE CITIES, NOT THE PLANNING COMMISSIONS TO REQUIRE FEASIBLE MITIGATION MEASURES AND FEASIBLE, UH, PROJECT ALTERNATIVES THAT LESSEN OR AVOID SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS.
AND, YOU KNOW, THOSE ALTERNATIVES AND MITIGATION MEASURES DO NOT NEED TO COMPLETELY ELIMINATE AN IMPACT.
IT'S OKAY THAT THEY REDUCE AN IMPACT.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, UH, I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT, THAT THE CITY HAS TO ADOPT A STATEMENT OF OVERRIDING CONSIDERATIONS IF THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS.
AND IN IN THAT STATEMENT, WE, THE CITY MUST FIND THAT THAT ALL FEASIBLE MITIGATION MEASURES AND ALTERNATIVES HAVE BEEN REQUIRED AS PART OF THE S QL PROCESS, NOT WITHSTANDING THE HOUSING ACCOUNTABILITY ACT BECAUSE THERE'S A SAVINGS PROVISION AND THE HOUSING ACCOUNTABILITY ACT THAT PRESERVES THE CITY'S SEQL AUTHORITY.
UM, SO AS, AS WE, UM, MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR, UH, PROCEEDING WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW, UH, I'D LIKE TO, UH, INCLUDE IN OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT, UH, WE CONDUCT A FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS OF THE, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING ALTERNATIVE.
UM, AND IN THAT FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS, I'D SPECIFICALLY LIKE TO FLAG THE AVAILABILITY OF INCENTIVE FUNDING AND GRANT FUNDING FOR THE PROJECT PROPONENT TO, UH, HELP PENCIL OUT THE FINANCIAL FEASIBILITY OF THAT ALTERNATIVE.
UM, AND THEN ALSO, UH, UH, AN ANALYSIS OF THE EFFECT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON REDUCING VMT.
UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE.
DO YOU HAVE DISCUSSION? GO AHEAD.
UM, YEAH, I, AND I, I APPRECIATE THE PUBLIC INPUT 'CAUSE I THINK THEY ARE PART OF THE ENVIRONMENT THAT WE'RE IMPACTING.
SO I, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT, UM, EVEN THOUGH THIS IS A DRAFT EIR AND WE'RE NOT GETTING INTO PROJECT DESIGN, THERE IS A PROJECT DESIGN HERE THAT'S, THAT THE EIR IS BASED ON, UH, AND NOT HAVING, IN NOT HAVING THE ABILITY TO ADJUST THE PROJECT TO ADDRESS ISSUES IS, IS DIFFICULT BECAUSE AT SOME POINT IT COULD BECOME A VESTING MAP AND WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE, UH, MAYBE LOSE A UNIT IN A VESTING MAP.
SO WE'RE IN, IN A SENSE, APPROVING A PROJECT WITHOUT ADMITTING IT, AND THEN WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH WHAT WE APPROVED WITHIN LEGAL TERMS. SO I'M CONCERNED THAT, UM, THE
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ISSUES THAT THE PUBLIC RAISED, THE ISSUES OF WHAT'S HAPPENS TO CASA GRANDE STREET, WHAT'S IT LOOK LIKE, WHAT'S THE SETBACK, WHAT'S A SOUND ATTENUATION, WHAT'S THE STREET SCAPE? ALL OF THAT TAKES UP SPACE.AND IF WE DON'T DEFINE THAT SPACE NOW, WE'RE NEVER GONNA GET IT.
SO I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT WE'RE AHEAD, YOU KNOW, WE'RE OVER OUR SKIS A BIT AND I'M NOT SURE THE LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS OF HOW WE GET BACK ON THE CHAIRLIFT, BUT, UM, I'M, I, I THINK WE'RE TOO FAR ALONG WITH A PHYSICAL PROJECT THAT'S IMPACTING AN ENVIRONMENT THAT EXISTS NOW, THE PEOPLE THAT SURROUND US.
UH, AND, AND ALSO A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE OF, OF, UH, HIGH SCHOOL KIDS MOVING ACROSS AN OPEN SPACE TRAIL THROUGH A STREET TO A CREEK IS, IS, IS GONNA BE A BIG ISSUE.
AND WHO IS THIS AN HOA ISSUE? IS IT A, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE DEAL WITH IT? SO I'M CONCERNED, UM, THAT WE'RE NOT IN A VESTING PROCESS NOW, BUT IT SURE FEELS LIKE IT.
COULD WE GET SOME CLARIFICATION ON WHEN THE VESTING PROCESS IS IN OUR TIMELINE HERE, PLEASE, ON WHEN THE MAP WOULD VEST AND OPPORTUNITIES TO DISCUSS THAT IN THE PROCESS? UH, YEAH, THE, UH, SO IT'S A PARCEL MAP, IT'S NOT A SUBDIVISION MAP, SO I WANNA MAKE THAT CLEAR.
UM, THAT WOULD HAPPEN, UM, JOINTLY WITH SPAR, THE SPAR PROCESS THAT WOULD COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION AT THAT TIME.
AND, UH, ALONG WITH THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
SO THOSE WOULD BE THE THREE ENTITLEMENTS THAT WOULD COME BACK BEFORE YOU WOULD BE THE SPAR, THE, UH, VESTING PARCEL MAP AND THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
THE, THE VESTING MAP, THE PROJECT IS VESTED BEFORE SPAR STARTS.
YES, I BELIEVE UNDER HOUSING ACCOUNTABILITY ACT, WHEN THEY SUBMITTED A COMPLETE APPLICATION, THEIR PRO OR PROJECT VEST WITH THE LAWS THAT ARE IN PLACE AT THE TIME THAT THEY SUBMITTED THE COMPLETE APPLICATION.
UH, BUT THE DESIGN OF THE PROJECT, I THINK THAT'S CAN CHANGE DEPENDING ON THE, UH, MITIGATION MEASURES OR THE IMPACTS OF THE DESIGN, RIGHT.
THAT, THAT VESTING SORT OF STAGE GATE IS TO VEST WITH THE LAWS AS THEY ARE AT THAT TIME, NOT TO ENTITLE THAT PARCEL MAP.
OTHER DISCUSSION POINTS? COUNCILWOMAN? YEAH, I, I JUST, UM, AS FAR AS CASA GRANDE ROAD AND WHAT THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE, IT'S, IT'S REALLY NICE IF WE COULD ACTUALLY HAVE SOMEBODY COME IN AND KIND OF SHOW WHAT IS POSSIBLE ON THERE, YOU KNOW, SO THE PUBLIC CAN SEE THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PROJECT AND THEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN 2027 SOMETHING HAPPENING WITH CASA GRANDE, WHICH, UM, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, MANY, MANY YEARS OVERDUE.
AND JUST SO PEOPLE REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT, UM, WHAT CAN HAPPEN ON THAT ROAD, HOW TO MAKE IT A LOT SAFER FOR, UM, PEDESTRIANS.
I MEAN, I LIVE CLOSE TO RAINIER AND THAT PROJECT IS, IS A PILOT PROGRAM, BUT IT IS REALLY REDUCED.
UM, THE SPEEDING, UM, THE WAY IT'S DESIGNED AND THE REASON THE PROJECT HAS BEEN STALLED IS 'CAUSE THE PURPLE PIPELINE IS GONNA BE INCLUDED IN THAT PROJECT.
SO ONCE MARIA DRIVE IS DONE, THAT PROJECT WILL BE DONE.
BUT THE SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS, IT WAS A 64 FOOT ROAD AND WITH BASICALLY NO SAFE CROSSINGS.
AND THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT SO PEOPLE CAN SEE, UM, WHAT CASA GRANDE ROAD CAN BE AND THE SAFETY, BECAUSE I MEAN, MY, MY OLDEST IS 46 AND SHE WENT THERE AND WE STILL DON'T HAVE A GOOD CROSSING EVEN ON ELI.
AND I WAS COMPLAINING ABOUT THAT BACK THEN.
AND SO, AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW FROM THE POLICE, UM, YOU KNOW, ACCIDENTS ON THAT ROAD.
UM, YOU KNOW, I I'M NOT AS CONCERNED.
I, THE PROJECT ITSELF, I'M NOT AS CONCERNED WITH.
UM, IT'LL BE INCREMENTAL INCREASES, BUT I REALLY THINK WE NEED TO SEE WHAT THE ROAD'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
I MEAN, I HAVE AN, AN IDEA AND I HAVE, AND I'M ON THE SONOMA COUNTY TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING AN A-T-P-A-T-P PLAN FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY, WHICH IS AN ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL THIS INTERCONNECTIVITY, WE'RE LOOKING AS A CITYWIDE, AND OURS WILL BE SUBMITTED TO THE COUNTY, BUT IT'S KIND OF A COUNTYWIDE PLAN THAT IS, UM, THE DIRECTION THAT, UM, ALL CITIES ARE GOING NOW.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY WANNA HAVE THOSE INTERCONNECTIVITY SO KIDS CAN GET TO SCHOOL ON, YOU KNOW, BUT I, I DO WANNA KNOW ABOUT THE SAFETY BECAUSE I'M HEARING THAT RIGHT NOW THEY COME DOWN, UM, ELI ROAD AND, YOU KNOW, AND I, I HAVEN'T BEEN DOWN THERE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE PROCESS, YOU KNOW, OF HOW KIDS REALLY
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GET TO SCHOOL.AND I DO KNOW THAT IT IS A REALLY, REALLY BUSY ROAD, AND THE ROAD ITSELF IS IN NOT GREAT CONDITION.
IT'S BETTER THAN IT WAS, BUT IT'S NOT GREAT CONDITION THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF CHANGES.
AND IT'S ALWAYS NICE IF A PROJECT'S COMING THROUGH THAT WE ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
UM, TO THAT END, I, I'M CURIOUS IF THERE WAS ANY INSIGHTS FROM THE SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL EVALUATION, IF, IF ANY VISIONING HAS BEEN DONE.
I KNOW WE'RE SAYING 2027, BUT HAS THERE BEEN ANY, UM, SHAREABLE
THE, UH, THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION TEAM REFERRED TO A SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL MEETING, BUT THEY DIDN'T INDICATE THAT THEY'VE BE BEGUN A DESIGN PROCESS.
SO THE, THE STREET RIGHT OF WAY IS GOING, YOU KNOW, THE CITY CONTROLS THE STREET RIGHT OF WAY AND CONTROLS DESIGN WITHIN THAT STREET RIGHT OF WAY.
SO WHEN THEY, THEY WORK ON A REDESIGN OF THE STREET, THEY WOULD TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THIS PROJECT AND THE STATUS OF THIS PROJECT, BUT THIS PROJECT WOULD NOT NECESSARILY UNIQUELY DRIVE DESIGN OF THE STREET RIGHT OF WAY.
THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AT IT COLLECTIVELY AND LOOK AT SAFETY NEEDS AND SUCH FOR, FOR THE USE OF THE STREET THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR.
SO THAT IS PERHAPS A BIT DIFFERENT IN THAT, UM, THE STREET DESIGN STANDARDS ARE ESTABLISHED, BUT THROUGH A A REDESIGN PROCESS, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO CHANGE THOSE DESIGNS TO IMPROVE SAFETY, UH, IMPROVE ACCESS TO ON STREET PARKING, REDUCE, UM, VEHICLE SPEEDS BY, UH, I IMPLEMENTING ROAD DIET TECHNIQUES.
THIS IS MAYBE A BETTER QUESTION FOR PRN, BUT GIVEN WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE A TP AND THE PRIORITIZATION OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS, I WONDER IF THIS PROJECT, YOU KNOW, SEEMING AS IF, IF IT DOES TRACK IN A, IN A FORWARD PROGRESS, WOULD THAT POTENTIALLY BUMP CASA GRANDE UP THE LIST FOR THOSE A TP, UM, THAT A TP ATTENTION IS? THAT IS, THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR HIM.
AND I MAY HAVE AN, AN ANSWER TO THAT.
GO, I THINK WITH THE SC UH, WITH SONOMA COUNTY TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY, IT'S ON A LIST ALREADY, BUT, AND SO, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S, I, AND IT WAS 2027, SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE IN 2025 OR 2026.
I MEAN, THAT'S JUST THE WAY THE MONEY, THE MONEY IS SET, UM, TO BE ALLOCATED.
AND SO IT IS, IT IS THERE ON THE LIST AND IT'S READY TO GO, BUT IT'S JUST NOT DESIGNED.
SO THERE'S, THEY'RE WORKING ON IT AND OLIVIA'S INDICATING THAT SHE'S MAKING A NOTE AND WE'LL CONNECT WITH, UH, BJORN FOLLOWING THIS MEETING.
SO, UH, THE STAFF WILL BE ABLE TO, UM, FOLLOW UP ON THAT AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT BJORN'S FULLY INFORMED AND ALSO LEARN ABOUT THE TIMELINE FOR A DESIGN ACTIVITY.
AND I JUST WANT TO, UM, JUST COMMENT ON WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT LIKE EVEN WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU KNOW, JUST THE CARS AND THE MOTOR HOMES AND ALL THE OTHER STUFF THAT PEOPLE STORE.
UM, HOPEFULLY IN 2025 AND IT'S GONNA HAPPEN THAT WE'RE GONNA ACTUALLY REDO THE ENTIRE, UM, ORDINANCE, UM, BECAUSE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE REALLY IMPACTED.
UM, AND SO WE'RE VERY AWARE OF THAT, AND I'VE BEEN SCREAMING FOR EIGHT YEARS FOR THIS ORDINANCE TO BE UPDATED AND WAS SCREAMING LAST NIGHT AT THE COUNCIL MEETING ABOUT IT.
AND IT IS GOING TO, UM, BE COMING FORWARD AND I REALLY WOULD APPRECIATE IF PEOPLE, UM, PARTICIPATED IN THIS 'CAUSE IT'S A REALLY BIG DEAL.
UM, AND THERE'S BIG IMPACTS FOR NEIGHBORHOODS, HUGE IMPACTS.
UM, SO, UM, THAT'S ALL MY COMMENTS.
UM, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER COMMENTS, I HAVE BEEN KEEPING A, A LIST OF WHAT I THINK THE COMMISSIONERS, UM, SORT OF HAD EARMARKED AS RISING TO THE LEVEL.
AND I'LL LOOK TO YOU, ANDREW, TO HELP US EVALUATE WHETHER THESE ARE APPROPRIATE FOR, UM, ADDITIONS TO THE RESOLUTION OR NOT.
UM, FIRST BEING THE EVALUATION OF A NO BRIDGE OR DIFFERENT BRIDGE LOCATION, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT BELONGS IN THE RESOLUTION OR JUST NOTE FOR YOU GUYS? UH, WELL, THE NO BRIDGE ALTERNATIVE IS THE FULLER EVALUATION OF THE NO BRIDGE ALTERNATIVE OR A DIFFERENT LOCATION FOR THE BRIDGE ALTERNATIVE.
THAT'S, WE CAN ADD A, A CLAUSE TO TO THAT EFFECT TO OKAY.
SO, UM, BEFORE WE GET TO WORDSMITHING THAT ADDITION TO THE RESOLUTION, I JUST WANNA DO A QUICK STRAW POLL AMONG THE COMMISSIONERS TO CONFIRM THAT WE ALL, OR AT LEAST A MAJORITY OF US HAVE A, A DOG IN THAT RACE.
BUT JANICE, DO YOU HAVE A, WELL, I JUST WANNA COMMENT ON THE 50 FOOT, I MEAN, IS THAT SET IN STONE? I KNOW THAT'S THE CRITERIA, THAT'S ALL WE CAN DO.
UM, THE 50 FOOT, THE 50 FOOT CREEK SETBACK CREEK SETBACK.
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IS, IT FALLS INTO WHAT OUR CURRENT REGULATIONS ARE AND THEIR ABIDING BY OUR CURRENT REGULATIONS RELATIONS.I'M GETTING NODS, BUT COULD WE ASK FOR WIDER AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS CONSIDERING A HUNDRED? UH, SO THE POLICY IN QUESTION, UH, WE COULD PULL UP THAT REFERENCE AGAIN, BUT IT, UM, ALLOWS FOR PEDESTRIAN ACCESS WITHIN THAT 50 FOOT, AND THERE IS NO DEVELOPMENT IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN, UH, 50 FEET.
SO IF YOUR INTENT IS TO, UM, FURTHER REGULATE THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS THAT, I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT, THAT POINT CLEAR THAT IT, UH, ACCEPTS PEDESTRIAN ACCESS FROM THAT 50 FOOT SETBACK.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, IT MAKES SENSE, YEAH.
SO ON THE POINT ABOUT, UH, ADDING THE ADDITION TO THE RESOLUTION REGARDING EVALUATING FULLY A NO BRIDGE OR DIFFERENT BRIDGE LOCATION, CAN I GET A QUICK STRAW POLL ON COMMISSIONER'S SUPPORT OF SUCH AN ADDITION TO THE RESOLUTION BY SHOW OF HANDS? NO BRIDGE OR BOTH? BOTH A NO BRIDGE ALTERNATIVE AND A DIFFERENT BRIDGE LOCATION FOR EVALUATION? YES.
SO WE'VE GOT A MAJORITY, WE'LL, WE WILL, UM, WORDSMITH THAT IN THE NEXT PHASE.
THE SECOND, UM, SORT OF, UH, UH, HIGH PRIORITY COMMENT I WAS HEARING, AGAIN, LOOKING TO ANDREW AS TO WHETHER THIS OUGHT TO BE A PART OF THE RESOLUTION, WAS TO INCLUDE THE REVITALIZATION OF THE RIPARIAN HABITAT.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE OUGHT TO ADD TO THE RESOLUTION TONIGHT OR JUST CHALK IT UP TO A NOTE FOR THE FINAL? UM, I, I WOULD LEAVE THAT AT THE COMMISSIONER'S DISCRETION.
I WILL RESTATE THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED, AND I HAVE WRITTEN DOWN ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS, AND THEY ABSOLUTELY WILL BE RESPONDED TO INCLUDING THE, UH, SPECIFIC LOOK AT RIPARIAN ENHANCEMENTS.
SO, UM, TAKE TAKING YOUR LEAD ON IF YOU WANT TO, UM, HAVE THOSE LINE ITEMS IN THE RESOLUTION OR NOT.
WE WILL BE ADDRESSING THEM DIRECTLY.
SO, GREG, DID YOU WANNA WEIGH IN ON THAT? OH, I THOUGHT I SAW A HAND.
UM, OKAY THEN DO, DO, DO WE FEEL LIKE OUR MITIGATIONS DON'T ALREADY ADDRESS THAT ONE? DO WE FEEL LIKE OUR MITIGATIONS DON'T ALREADY ADDRESS RIPARIAN RESTORATION AND I THINK
THE, THE, THE COMMENT PREVIOUSLY, IF YOU WANNA REPEAT YOURSELF TREES, GO AHEAD.
UM, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO REALLY TALK ABOUT THE CHANNEL ITSELF, NOT JUST THE TREE REPLACEMENT, BUT THE RESTORING THE, THE CREEK TO A, A NATURAL CREEK.
AND THAT'S ENTAILS A LOT DIFFERENT THAN JUST TREES.
SO WHAT I CAN OFFER IN RESPONSE TO THAT IS THAT WE DO HAVE MITIGATION IN THERE THAT, UM, OFFSETS AND REPLACES THE PROJECT'S IMPACTS TO THE CREEK.
AND SO, UM, THAT IS, UM, PART OF THE, THE, THAT WHAT, WHAT IS IN THERE.
AND SO THE, WHAT THAT IS LIMITED TO IS THE, THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE AND THE FOOTING OF THE BRIDGE AND THE, UM, REMOVAL OF THOSE, UH, TREES.
SO I, I ABSOLUTELY WE WILL GO DOWN THE PATH OF INVESTIGATING, UH, TO YOUR POINT.
BUT I'LL FURTHER ADD THAT THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE CITY HAS A PROCESS AND THEN THE REGULATORY AGENCIES THAT ARE, UM, CHARGED WITH PROTECTING THIS RESOURCE, AND I'LL CALL OUT SPECIFICALLY THE DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND WILDLIFE.
THEY HAVE A PROGRAM THAT IS TO ISSUE WHAT'S CALLED A LAKE AND STREAMBED ALTERATION AGREEMENT.
AND THEY GET INTO THE WEEDS AND THE NITTY GRITTY ON ALL OF THE DETAILS AND ONLY ISSUE A PERMIT WHEN THEY ARE SATISFIED THAT THE PROJECT'S DIRECT IMPACTS TO THE RIPARIAN CORRIDOR, ANYTHING WITHIN THE BED, BANK AND CHANNEL, UM, IS ADEQUATELY REPLACED, MINIMIZED AND OFFSET.
SO, UM, THROUGH THOSE TWO THINGS, WE, WE DID FIND THAT THE MITIGATION IS, IS ADEQUATE TO MEET THE STATUTE OF CE QA, BUT THAT DOESN'T PREVENT US FROM GOING A A STEP FURTHER AND INVESTIGATING YOUR COMMENT.
YEAH, YOU'D LIKE TO GO A STEP FURTHER.
THEN LET'S TAKE A QUICK STRAW POLL ON ADDING THE SPEC SPECIFIC CALL OUT ON THE RESTORATION REV REVITALIZATION OF RIPARIAN RIPARIAN HABITAT INTO OUR RESOLUTION TONIGHT.
SHOW OF HANDS, COULD I ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION AT THAT POINT? OH, SURE, ME TOO.
IS THAT ADDITIONAL STREAMBED RESTORATION THAT GOES BEYOND THE IMPACT OF THE PROJECT ON THE STREAMBED? FAIR QUESTION.
UM, IT SEEMS LIKE WE WOULD BE RESTRICTED TO, UH, TURNING BACK THE CLOCK ON THE PROJECT'S IMPACTS AS OPPOSED TO GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT.
BUT I'LL TAKE YOUR, YEAH, THE, IT'S THE NEXUS REQUIREMENT, RIGHT? SO IT HAS TO BE, UM, DRIVEN BY THE PROJECT.
THE PROJECT CANNOT BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR DOING RESTORATION ALONG THE ENTIRE CREEK OR OTHER CREEKS WITHIN THE CITY.
UM, BUT THERE IS DIRECT AND MEASURABLE IMPACTS TO
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THE CREEK.AND SO THROUGH THAT, UM, AVENUE, THERE ABSOLUTELY IS.
AND UM, UH, WE JUST PULLED UP MITIGATION MEASURE FOR DA 0.1 DASH TWO B AND THERE IS A CALL OUT WITHIN THAT THAT INCLUDES THE, UM, NATIVE PLANT SPECIES AS WELL.
SO WE WOULD LOOK AT THAT AND THEN WE WOULD SAY, OKAY, SHOULD WE AUGMENT THAT WITH MORE CLEAR LANGUAGE, UM, AND SEE HOW, HOW FAR THAT WE CAN, WE CAN TAKE THAT TO ADDRESS COMMISSIONER FRY'S COMMENTS IS THAT THAT CREEK HAS BEEN A PROJECT FOR THE, THE STUDENTS AT CASA GRANDE HIGH SCHOOL FOR I WOULD SAY THE LAST 20 YEARS.
AND THEY HAVE DONE MAJOR, MAJOR WORK ON BRINGING THAT CREEK BACK, AND I JUST WOULDN'T WANNA SEE THEIR WORK MINIMIZED BY SOMETHING HAPPENING IN THE, IN THIS PROJECT THAT WOULD IN SORELY IMPACT THERE.
COULD WE, COULD WE COUPLE THIS TOO AND MAYBE YOU WERE GONNA GET TO THIS, UM, COMMISSIONER MOSES ABOUT ONGOING MITIGATION FOR ONGOING, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE PRE-CONSTRUCTION AND DURING CONSTRUCTION MITIGATIONS SPECIFICALLY THAT BRIDGE AND THE IMPACTS THERE, BUT OF CONTINUED USE, BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF SQUA AS WELL, IS CONTINUED USE OF THAT AREA.
MAYBE THINGS LIKE THIS COULD BE ADDED INTO A DEEPER EXPLORATION, MAYBE THAT ELEVATES IT TO A RESOLUTION STATUS TO SAY EXPLORE MORE MEASURES, MITIGATION MEASURES TO ADDRESS THE ACTUAL USE POST OCCUPANCY, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THEN RIPARIAN RESTORATION.
NOW I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LIMIT OF THAT WOULD BE.
I WOULD LEAVE THAT TO YOUR FINE TUNING, UM, YOU KNOW, IS THAT ADD INFINITUM, BUT, UM, YEAH, I I THINK THAT COULD BE PAIRED INTO THAT TO KIND OF HAVE A BROADER PART OF THE RESOLUTION.
WHERE DOES THE UNITED ANGLERS, UM, COME INTO THIS SINCE THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE CREEK SINCE THE 1990S? IT SOUNDED LIKE THEY WERE PART OF THE EVALUATION OF MM-HMM.
SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE WOULD BE A, A SORT OF RESEARCH PERIOD TO GET A PRE-PROJECT LEVEL AND THEN DEPENDING ON WHAT THE IMPACTS ARE, RETURN IT TO THOSE PRE-PROJECT LEVELS.
IS THAT A FAIR ASSESSMENT? AND WOULD THE ANGLERS BE A PART OF THAT? WELL, I'M THINKING OF THE LONG TERM.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS THEIR LONG TERM PLAN? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, ONCE THIS PROJECT'S COMPLETED AND THEN THE MITIGATIONS ARE DONE, UM, WHO IS ACTUALLY GONNA MAINTAIN THE CREEK BED? BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S, THE DEVELOPER DOESN'T GO BACK IN THERE.
IT'S THE, YOU HAVE TO GET ALL THESE PERMITS AND STUFF.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE KIND OF COUPLING THE, WE'RE TRYING TO COUPLE THE DEVELOPER WITH ALL THESE MITIGATIONS THAT ARE ACTUALLY MORE STATE, THE WATER AGENCY, SONOMA COUNTY WATER AGENCY, WHAT DO THEY PLAY THE ROLE IN HERE? YEAH.
THAT, THAT'S WHERE I'M, I'M THINKING WE NEED TO, IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS DRAFT, DIR SORT OF KEEP IT TO THE PROJECT IMPACTS.
SO ANDREW, ARE YOU GETTING ALL THIS
UM, AND THEN THE, THE FINAL, UM, HIGH QUALITY FEEDBACK THAT I COLLECTED WAS THE NOTION OF A FULL EVALUATION OF FEASIBILITY OF THE 100% AFFORDABILITY OPTION AND DIRECTING THAT AND INCLUDING THAT IN OUR RESOLUTION COMMENTS.
IF NO COMMENTS, WE CAN DO A QUICK DROP POLL ON THAT.
I HEARD SOMETHING DURING OUR EARLIER DELI, UH, COMMENTS THAT, THAT I THINK WOULD BE A GOOD POINT TO ADD JUST FOR THE ANALYSIS AND, YOU KNOW, IN COMBINATION WITH AN ALTERNATIVE THAT WOULD ELIMINATE THE BRIDGE OR PERHAPS CHANGE ITS LOCATION THAT WOULD BE A COST SAVINGS FOR THE PROJECT PROPONENT, WHICH WOULD HELP MAKE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ALTERNATIVE MORE FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE.
IF THEY'RE NOT SPENDING MONEY ON STREAMBED RESTORATION AND BUILDING A BRIDGE, THEN THAT HELPS MAKE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ALTERNATIVE MORE AFFORDABLE.
SO I JUST WANT TO POINT THAT OUT.
UM, AS FOR JUST FOR STAFF, I DON'T KNOW IF IT NEEDS TO BE IN THE RESOLUTION, BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, TO, TO NOTE THAT, YEAH, I AGREE THAT IT MAYBE DOESN'T BELONG IN THE RESOLUTION, BUT I'LL ADD THAT THAT'LL PROBABLY IMPACT VMT IF WE'RE REDUCING THE CONNECTIVITY OF THE SITE, WHICH IS PART OF THE BENEFIT, UM, OF THAT BRIDGE AND, AND ONE OF THE PROJECT OBJECTIVES TO CONNECT NEIGHBORHOODS MAKE, UH, UH, MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY, UH, FLOW ACROSS NEIGHBORHOODS, ET CETERA.
WELL, AND IT'S ALSO TO ADD THE A TP PLAN THAT'S PLANNED.
SO THERE IS ALL THIS INTERCONNECTIVITY.
'CAUSE I MEAN, IN PETALUMA YOU CAN GO EVERYWHERE AND ALL OF A SUDDEN A TRAIL JUST ENDS.
AND I, AND I THINK WHAT WE'RE DRIVING TOWARDS HERE IN TERMS OF DIRECTING SOME FULLER EXPLORATION IN THE FINAL EIR AND WELL RATHER ENCOURAGING COUNSEL TO CONSIDER FULLER EXPLORATION OF THESE PIECES IN THE FINAL EIR IS TO DO THAT FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS, DO THAT DEEPER ANALYSIS OF NO BRIDGE, DIFFERENT BRIDGE, A HUNDRED
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PERCENT AFFORDABLE, UM, AND PERHAPS A COMBINATION THEREIN.YES, BLAKE? I WAS GONNA SAY IN RELATIONSHIP TO THIS, I THINK INCLUDING IN THE ANALYSIS, A, A DISTINCT BREAKDOWN OF HOW THE DENSITIES AS PROPOSED WILL ACTUALLY IMPACT THIS VMT SPECIFICALLY, NOT JUST IN GENERAL TERMS, WILL PROBABLY HELP DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE BRIDGE IS REALLY CRITICAL FOR BRINGING DOWN VMT SCORE OR NOT.
WHICH IS THE PURPOSE OF THAT DEEPER ANALYSIS IN THE FINAL RIGHT.
UM, SHOW OF HANDS FOR INCLUDING IN THE RESOLUTION, A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL TO DIRECT THE FINAL IR TO FULLY EVALUATE FEASIBILITY OF A HUNDRED PERCENT AFFORDABLE OPTION.
OKAY, SO I BELIEVE WE'VE GOT OUR THREE ADDITIONS TO THE RESOLUTION, WHICH CAN TAKE US INTO OUR FINAL FEEDBACK AMENDMENTS, UH, SLASH CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL SECTION.
UNLESS THERE'S ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, QUICK LOOK DOWN THE DAYS.
THEN WE WILL HOP INTO, AND I'LL JUST THROW A QUICK SLIDE UP HERE, OUR FINAL FEEDBACK SECTION WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE ACTUAL DRAFTED LANGUAGE, AND I'LL REQUEST THAT, UM, STAFF PUT IT UP ON THE SCREEN SO WE CAN ALL GET A CLEAR SENSE.
UM, BEFORE WE ARE LOCKING IN OUR HOPEFULLY AMENDED RESOLUTION.
ARE YOU ABLE TO SHARE THAT LANGUAGE ANDREW, IN A, IN A MOMENT? GREAT.
WELL, UH, WHILE WE'RE GETTING THAT LANGUAGE INTO A SHAREABLE MODE, THANK YOU AGAIN TO THE COMMISSION FOR, UH, PLAYING ALONG WITH THIS NEW MEETING WORKFLOW.
I APPRECIATE, UH, YOU COMING ALONG WITH ME.
SO NOW LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THE DRAFT CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AS FORMULATED BY ANDREW AND HIS ASTUTE EARS
SO THIS, UH, THIS FIRST ADDITIONAL CONDITION OF APPROVAL OR RECOMMENDATION WOULD RECOMMEND AN EXPANDED ANALYSIS OF THE NO BRIDGE ALTERNATIVE AND THE ADDITION OF A REVISED BRIDGE LOCATION ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS.
UM, ONE, ONE COMMENT ON ANALYZING THE IMPACT OF THE BRIDGE ON VMT AND, AND I WOULD LOOK TO THE SQUA TEAM FOR THIS BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE, THE ABILITY OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ALTERNATIVE TO REDUCE THE VMT IMPACT FROM A SIGNIFICANT TO, TO A LESS THAN SIGNIFICANT LEVEL IS ACTUALLY JUST A, A POLICY DETERMINATION.
WE HAVE POLICY THAT SAYS THAT IF A PROJECT IS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT, IT SCREENS OUT FOR THE, FOR VMT.
SO THERE'S NO ANALYSIS ON THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING ALTERNATIVE.
THERE'S NO ANALYSIS THAT'S ACTUALLY DONE TO EVALUATE IF, IF THE, THE CHARACTER OF THE HOUSING ITSELF REDUCES VMT, WE'RE SIMPLY POINTING TO POLICY IN THE VMT GUIDELINES FOR IMPLEMENTATION.
THAT'S, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
I WILL ADD THAT, UM, THAT SAME POLICY ALSO ALLOWS US TO DO A VMT ANALYSIS WHEN WE BELIEVE IT'S APPROPRIATE.
UH, AND SO I THINK THAT WHAT I'M HEARING HERE, AND I'M THINKING BACK TO THE COM, THE, UM, DISCUSSIONS THAT HAPPENED WHEN THOSE VMT GUIDELINES WERE BEING ADOPTED, WHICH WAS SPECIFIC CONCERN WAS RAISED ABOUT AFFORDABLE PROJECTS ON THE EDGE OF TOWN, AND THE APPROPRIATENESS OF ACTUALLY INCLUDING THAT, UM, POLICY TO SCREEN THEM OUT BECAUSE RECOGNIZING THAT, UM, REGARDLESS OF YOUR INCOME, YOU STILL NEED ACCESS TO GOODS AND SERVICES AND, AND PROXIMITY AND THAT, UM, WHEN YOU'RE ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF TOWN AND THERE'S LIMITED OPTIONS FOR TRANSIT, UH, THAT MAY NOT BE THE MOST DESIRABLE PLACE FOR A HUNDRED PERCENT AFFORDABLE.
AND SO I THINK WE CAN, UM, USE THAT CAVEAT IN THOSE GUIDELINES TO, UM, TAKE A LOOK AT, UH, WHAT THE VMT, UH, OF AND ALL AFFORDABLE HERE WOULD BE.
AND I THINK WE CAN DO A PRETTY, UM, THAT COULD, COULD TAKE THE FORM OF A VERY SIMPLE, YOU KNOW, VMT, UM, INVESTIGATION AND IF THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING WAS, WAS BEING ASKED.
SO I THINK IT, I THINK IT IS, YES, EVALUATE THE VMT IMPACTS IF IT WERE TO GO A HUNDRED PERCENT AFFORDABLE, BUT PERHAPS MORE IMPORTANTLY EVALUATE THE ECONOMIC AND LEGAL AND LIKE GENUINE FEASIBILITY
AND SO, UM, I, UH, THAT COMMENT IS NOTED AND, UM, CERTAINLY CAN BE A A, A ADDITIONAL
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LOOK CAN BE TAKEN IN THE FINAL EIR, UM, HOWEVER, THE, THESO I, I JUST WANNA SET THE STAGE THAT I'M HEARING THE COMMISSION ASK FOR THAT, BUT CQA DOESN'T ACTUALLY HAVE THE AVENUE FOR THAT ANALYSIS TO BE PART OF THE FINAL, THAT WE CAN STILL LOOK AT IT, WE CAN STILL INVESTIGATE IT, UM, AND WE CAN COLLECT THE INFORMATION THAT CAN THEN BE PRESENTED AS PART OF THE FINDINGS OF FACT THAT WOULD HAVE THE FINANCIAL FEASIBILITY.
SO I JUST WANT, I'M HEARING THE DISCUSSION AND JUST WANNA SET THE EXPECTATION OF HOW, WHAT SQUA ALLOWS FOR.
IF YOU COULD PUT THOSE BACK UP, ANDREW, TRY THAT AGAIN.
UM, JUST TO GIVE THE COMMISSION AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO ANY OF THIS VERBIAGE.
UM, SO I'M WONDERING THEN IF, IF WITH REGARD TO THE, THE ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS AS IT RELATES TO VMT, IF WE ACTUALLY, IF, IF THE SQA TEAM WOULD PREFER THAT BE THAT BE A SEPARATE RECOMMENDATION TO INCLUDE ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS WITHIN THE VMT, NOT A VMT ANALYSIS OF THE, THE POTENTIAL REDUCTION THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING MIGHT PLAY OR THE BRIDGE.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, DO YOU WANT TO, DO YOU WANT TO RE TO RECONSIDER THE, THE VMT ANALYSIS USING THOSE TWO CHARACTERISTICS? OR DO YOU WANT THAT EMBEDDED WITHIN THOSE ALTERNATIVES? I, WHAT I'M, I THINK IS MY QUESTION.
SO, SO INCLUDE THAT AS PART OF THE, THE ALT, UH, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ALTERNATIVE ALTERNATIVE, YES.
NOT, NOT A MODIFICATION TO THE VMT ANALYSIS ITSELF.
SO DO WE MAYBE JUST WANNA SCROLL DOWN TO ADDRESS THAT ONE WHILE WE'RE, WHILE WE HAVE IT IN OUR MINDS? OR I GUESS JUST RECOMMEND ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS OF THE POTENTIAL.
SO THIS, THE, UH, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ALTERNATIVE ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS, UH, WOULD BE TO SUBJECTED TO ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS TO DETERMINE FEASIBILITY, INCLUDING ANALYSIS OF ECONOMIC AND LEGAL FACTORS AT A MINIMUM AS DEFINED BY CQA.
UH, AND THEN WE CAPTURE COMMISSIONER RENEWALS, UH, INCLUDE ANALYSIS OF THE AVAILABILITY OF GRANT FUNDING ON BUDGET OR PROJECT COSTS, AND THEN THE EFFECT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON VMT REDUCTION.
UM, IF WE'RE GOING TO THEN BRING THE VMT ANALYSIS TO BEAR ON THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ALTERNATIVE, THEN I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT AN ENVIRONMENTAL FACTOR IN ADDITION TO ECONOMIC AND LEGAL FACTORS.
SO WE WOULD WANT TO ADD THAT ENVIRONMENTAL, ECONOMIC AND LEGAL FACTORS.
UM, LEMME SEE IF I CAN PULL THIS DOWN A BIT.
ARE WE CALLING FOR A SIMILAR ANALYSIS AT NUMBER ONE ON THE BRI, THE NO BRIDGE ALTERNATIVE AS WELL? I'M THINKING THERE MIGHT BE A WAY TO COUPLE.
I WAS, I WAS GONNA CIRCLE BACK AROUND ON THAT BECAUSE I THINK I NEED TO ADD THAT VMT ANALYSIS INTO THE, THE NO BRIDGE AND THE ALTERNATIVE BRIDGE LOCATION.
SO, UH, I WAS HOPING THAT PERHAPS I CAN GET THE LANGUAGE ESTABLISHED IN HERE AND THEN JUST COPY AND PASTE IT INTO THE OTHER.
UM, SO THEN WE WOULD JUST ADD THAT SPECIFICALLY INCLUDE ANALYSIS OF AVAILABILITY OF GRANT FUNDING ON PROJECT OR BUDGET COST AND, UM, THE POTENTIAL EFFECTS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING TYPE OF A 100% AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT.
WELL, I THINK TO, I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO LIMIT IT TO A 100% AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT.
I THINK WE WANT, AND, AND I'M LOOKING TO THE SQUA TEAM, DON'T WE WANT TO BETTER UNDERSTAND IF THERE'S A SCALE OF OF PERCENT OF AFFORDABILITY AND WHERE IT MIGHT START TO HAVE AN IMPACT ON VMT OR NOT? BECAUSE IF WE GO ALL THE WAY TO A HUNDRED PERCENT, THEN, THEN THAT'S, THAT'S
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A HUGE LEAP FROM 15% TO A HUNDRED PERCENT, AND THERE MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT PERCENTAGE THERE WHERE WE MIGHT HAVE, HAVE AN EFFECT, UH, UH, IN REDUCING DMT IMPACTS.UM, I MEAN, WE, WE CAN LOOK AT WHATEVER THE DIRECTION IS.
UM, I, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, THE ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS AND SQA DOES NOT REQUIRE US TO LOOK AT EVERY SINGLE POSSIBLE, UM, OPTION.
BUT I THINK IN WORKING WITH A A, A TRANSPORTATION CONSULTANT AND, UM, DOING A-A-V-M-T REVIEW OF AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UH, WE WILL BE ABLE TO GET SOME INDICATORS OF WHERE THAT LINE IS THAT WOULD, UM, EITHER REDUCE IT TO LESS THAN SIGNIFICANT OR NOT.
AND I, I, I DON'T KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT.
SO MAYBE THE APPROPRIATE LANGUAGE IS POTENTIAL EFFECTS OF AN INCREASED AFFORDABLE HOUSING RATIO ON VMT REDUCTION, AND THAT GIVES US THE LATITUDE TO GO SEARCHING AT THE DATA BETWEEN 15 AND A HUNDRED.
ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THIS ONE BEFORE WE PORT IT TO THE BRIDGE POINT AS WELL? JUST ONE ADDITIONAL WORDSMITHING POINT, WHICH IS, UH, ON THE FIRST BULLET POINT REGARDING, UH, FEASIBILITY, JUST, UH, ANALYZE AVAILABILITY, AVAILABILITY OF GRANT FUNDING, OR ANY OTHER INCENTIVES JUST TO KIND OF OPEN, OPEN-ENDED GREAT.
AND I'M CHOOSING TO PHRASE, RATHER THAN REFER TO A PROJECT PROFORMA TO PROJECT BUDGET AND COST, I THINK TO MAKE THAT, UH, MORE CLEAR.
SO, UH, THEN WE'LL GO UP AND WE WANTED TO RECOMMEND EXPANDED ANALYSIS OF THE NO BRIDGE ALTERNATIVE IN THE ADDITION OF A REVISED BRIDGE LOCATION ALTERNATIVE TO INCLUDE POTENTIAL EFFECTS ON VMT.
AND I'M LOOKING TO THE VICE CHAIR TO, TO, UH, CONFIRM IF THIS LANGUAGE IS YEAH.
I WAS ACTUALLY THINKING YOU COULD TRY TO COMBINE JUST SOME MORE ROBUST ANALYSIS OF ALL ALTERNATIVES, BUT I GET THAT AFFORDABLE, WE'RE KIND OF DOING SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO SYNC THOSE TWO UP.
UM, YOU KNOW, INCLUDE POTENTIAL EFFECTS ON VMT.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS WORTH ADDING A SIMILAR ECONOMIC PIECE BECAUSE IT MAY CHANGE THE COMPLEXION OF THE PROCESS WHEN IT COMES TO AFFORDABILITY.
MAYBE WE DON'T CALL THAT LINKAGE OUT.
BUT I JUST THOUGHT SIMILAR LANGUAGE WE USED FOR THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE, WE COULD JUST MOVE UP INTO THAT ONE AS WELL.
MAYBE JUST THE ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS.
JUST, AND BEFORE YOU GET TO THIS SPECIFICALLY IN THE BULLET POINTS, BASICALLY.
SO MIRRORING THE FURTHER ANALYSIS ENVIRONMENTAL, ECONOMIC LEGAL FACTORS AS WE HEAD BELOW.
AND THEN RECOMMEND ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION AND ANALYSIS OF RIPARIAN CORRIDOR MANAGEMENT THROUGHOUT DURATION OF USE.
I, I WONDER IF WE COULD BROADEN THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE TO NAME RIPARIAN AND PROTECTION OF BIOLOGICAL RESOURCES, BUT JUST TALK ABOUT EXAMINING IMPACTS AND MITIGATIONS IN LIGHT OF ONGOING USE POST OCCUPANCY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
JUST TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT BROADER LENS AND THEN WE CAN NAME NAMELY RIPARIAN RESTORATION OR RIPARIAN CORRIDOR MANAGEMENT AND OTHER IMPACTS AND MITIGATIONS FOR BIOLOGICAL RESOURCES.
I JUST THOUGHT ADDING THAT PIECE OF REALLY EXAMINING THE ONGOING IMPACTS GIVES A VEHICLE TO KIND OF ASSESS MAYBE WHERE MORE MITIGATIONS MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF SOME PUBLIC COMMENTS WE RECEIVE ABOUT INCREASED TRAFFIC AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, WELL, I DON'T WANNA MIX TRAFFIC IN RIPARIAN HABITAT.
WELL, I MEANT, I MEANT FOOT TRAFFIC ACROSS THAT BRIDGE.
WELL, AND, AND I DIDN'T WANNA LIMIT IT TO JUST BY, I MEAN, I THINK WE ARE CALLING OUT A FOCUS ON BIOLOGICAL RESOURCE MANAGEMENT AND RIPARIAN CORRIDOR MANAGEMENT.
UM, BUT I THINK LEAVING THAT OPEN TO, YOU KNOW, AN ANALYSIS OF IMPACTS AND MITIGATIONS POST OCCUPANCY KIND OF ON ALL AREAS, JUST TO GIVE STAFF THE LEEWAY TO LOOK IN THAT CONTEXT IN CASE WE'RE MISSING ANYTHING.
'CAUSE LIKE I SAID, I KNOW THERE'S SOME
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IN THERE WITH LIKE 50 FOOT SETBACKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE APPROPRIATE MITIGATIONS FOR PLANNED ONGOING USE OF THESE FACILITIES, NOT JUST PRE AND DURING CONSTRUCTION.I AM GOING TO NEED A RECOMMENDATION ON THAT BECAUSE YEAH, I, I, I, QUITE FRANKLY, I FEEL LIKE YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING JUST ANALYZE EVERYTHING AND, AND I DON'T, WELL, JUST, I MEAN, I THINK WE HAVE TO ASSUME SOME KIND OF USAGE.
I MEAN, POST CONSTRUCTION, IS THAT RIGHT? OR IS THAT, AM I OFF WITH THAT ON SE QA? UH, SO THE DRAFT DIR DOES ANALYZE OCCUPANCY.
IT DOES ANALYZE, UM, YOU KNOW, PEDESTRIAN AND FOOT TRAFFIC ACROSS THE BRIDGE.
IT DOES ANALYZE THE EFFECTS OF, UM, INCREASED ACTIVITY AROUND THE CREEK CORRIDOR.
UM, SO THE, IT'S NOT THAT THAT'S NOT ADDRESSED, BUT, UM, TO YOUR POINT AND TO YOUR, YOUR COMMENTS, WE CAN TAKE A FURTHER LOOK IN LIGHT OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS IN LIGHT OF THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT.
AND CONSIDER, FOR EXAMPLE, IMMEDIATELY WHAT COMES TO MIND IS THERE SHOULD BE SOME TRASH RECEPTACLES PLACED IN APPROPRIATE PLACES.
AND THAT COULD BE, UM, THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE HERE.
SO, UM, AND I'M SURE THAT WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME OTHER, OTHER STUFF.
SO THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT I WAS, UH, GOING WITH THAT COMMENT IS, YEAH.
UM, LOOKING AT, THAT'S WHAT I, LOOKING IN THAT LIGHT.
SO THIS LANGUAGE AS WE HAVE IT, SO RECOMMEND ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS OF PROJECT IMPACTS AND MITIGATIONS.
UH, I, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA SAY AFTER OCCUPANCY, JUST TO FOCUS ON THAT ELEMENT, UM, NAMELY, AND THEN WE CAN CALL OUT KIND OF TWO CONCERNS I THINK THE COMMITTEE HAD, AND THEN THAT LEAVES IT OPEN FOR STAFF TO ADDRESS MORE CONCERNS THAT COME IN FROM RESIDENTS ABOUT THE, THE REALITY ONCE THESE UNITS ARE OCCUPIED.
AND I'LL JUST ADD, UH, IT'S GOOD TO PUT 'EM IN THE RES, UH, RESOLUTION.
THAT WAY IT'S SET IN STONE, BUT ANY OF THE IMPACTS THAT WE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC AND YOU TONIGHT WILL BE ADDRESSED.
SO IT'S NOT TO NECESSARILY TO WORDSMITH THIS.
SO ARE WE GOOD WITH THIS MIDDLE ONE ON BIOLOGICAL RESOURCES? I'M SEEING NODS.
UM, HAVE WE DONE ALL THREE? OH NO, THE TOP ONE, NO.
FOR THE SCREEN SHARE SUPPORT, DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE RESOLUTION IS AMENDED VERBALLY.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE RESOLUTION WITH THE THREE MODIFICATIONS.
THEN I BELIEVE WE CAN HAVE THE CLERK CONDUCT OUR VOTE, PLEASE.
UH, COMMISSIONER NEWELL VOTES? YES.
COUNSEL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON? YES.
CHAIR MOSES? YES, IT IS APPROVED.
WE WILL CLOSE MEETING ITEM TWO, UH, CLO THUS CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CONTINUE ON TO OUR, OUR AGENDA AFTER A FIVE MINUTE RECESS.
AS WE GET SETTLED BACK UP HERE, WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE ON WITH OUR PLANNING COMMISSION HERE INTO MEETING ITEM THREE, WHICH IS A STUDY SESSION RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY OF PETALUMA PLANNING COMMISSION TO HOLD A STUDY SESSION TO PROVIDE NON-BINDING COMMENTS ON THE DRAFT LAND USE FRAMEWORK AS PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE PROCESS.
THIS IS THE CONTINUATION OF THE DISCUSSION OF THE DRAFT LAND USE FRAMEWORK FROM AUGUST 27TH, 2024, UH, AT WHICH WE CHATTED BRIEFLY ABOUT LAND USE POLICY FRAMEWORK.
AND THERE IS NO ACTION BEING TAKEN, THEREFORE, THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT DETERMINATION IS NOT REQUIRED.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, AS THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, IT DOES NOT REQUIRE COMMISSIONERS TO DISCLOSE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS.
SO WITH THAT, ON OUR MEETING ITEM THREE, WE'LL TURN IT ON OVER TO SPEC SPECIAL PROJECT MANAGER HEATHER HINES, WHO'S BACK AGAIN.
AND WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE HER THANK YOU CHAIR AND GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.
I ACTUALLY AM GOING TO IMMEDIATELY TURN IT OVER,
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UH, TO RON WHITMORE WITH RAMEY FOR A VERY BRIEF, UM, POWERPOINT.BUT REALLY OUR FOCUS THIS EVENING, WE'RE BACK TO SOLICIT YOUR COMMENTS AND FEEDBACK ON THE LAND USE FRAMEWORK.
SO WE DID A LOT MORE PRESENTING, UM, AS WE INTRODUCED IT AT THE LAST ME MEETING.
AND WE'RE JUST GONNA TOUCH ON A FEW THINGS AND THEN REALLY TURN IT, UM, OVER TO YOU CHAIR, UM, FOR THAT DISCUSSION AND FEEDBACK.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL ASK RON TO BEGIN.
THANK YOU, HEATHER, AND THANK YOU CHAIR.
UM, COMMISSIONERS, GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.
HAPPY TO BE BACK, UM, WITH THE 14TH OF 14 POLICY FRAMEWORKS.
UM, AS HEATHER MENTIONED, JUST A VERY SHORT PRESENTATION, AND THEN WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR THOUGHTFUL FEEDBACK ON THIS DRAFT POLICY DOCUMENT.
SO WE'LL GIVE A VERY BRIEF PRESENTATION, THEN I ASSUME WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT, THEN COME BACK FOR YOUR FEEDBACK.
UM, ALL I'M GONNA DO REALLY SINCE WE GAVE YOU AN EXTENSION, EXTENSIVE OVERVIEW OF THE FRAMEWORK AT THE LAST MEETING, JUST AGAIN, REMIND EVERYBODY, UH, FOR MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE, UH, AND THE PUBLIC WHO MAY BE WATCHING, UM, WHAT THE BASIC STRUCTURE OF THIS LAND USE POLICY FRAMEWORK IS.
AND WHAT WE'VE DONE IS HIGHLIGHT IN BLUE AS WELL, THOSE AREAS WHERE WE'RE PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN YOUR FEEDBACK AS THE CITY'S BODY WITH PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY FOR LAND USE.
WE PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN YOUR FEEDBACK ON THE, UM, SUGGESTED REVISIONS TO LAND USE DESIGNATIONS AND THE ASSOCIATED STANDARDS.
VERY INTERESTED IN YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE LAND USE CHANGE OPTIONS THAT ARE PRESENTED IN THE AREAS OF CHANGE SECTION OF THE FRAMEWORK.
THERE'S A SUMMARY OF LAND USE POLICY DIRECTION IN CHAPTERS ONE, TWO, AND THREE THAT IS SUMMARIZED AT THE TOP OF CHAPTER ONE, UM, THAT WE'RE VERY INTERESTED IN YOUR FEEDBACK ON.
AND THEN FINALLY, THE, UM, VERY INTERESTED IN THE APPROACH TO HELPING PETALUMA BECOME A 15 MINUTE CITY IN CHAPTER TWO.
IN A NUTSHELL, THIS IS THE SET OF STRATEGIES ADVANCED IN THE LAND USE POLICY FRAMEWORK.
THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR SOME TIME DATING BACK TO, I BELIEVE IT WAS EARLY 2022 EVEN.
UM, IT'S ALL COME TOGETHER IN THIS DOCUMENT.
UM, BUT BASICALLY, UM, MAPPING OUT HERE THE, THE SENSE THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE PREFERRED FUTURE SETTLEMENT PATTERNS FOR PETALUMA, INCLUDING REDUCING DEVELOPMENT, UM, ALONG SECTIONS OF THE RIVER THAT ARE PROJECTED TO BE IMPACTED HEAVILY BY FLOODING AND OR SEA LEVEL RISE.
OTHERWISE FOCUSING FUTURE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT IN THE CORE OF THE CITY AND THE ADJACENT CORRIDORS.
AND THEN ALSO TAKING A HOLISTIC APPROACH TO THE EVOLUTION OF WHAT ARE LARGELY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
UM, THROUGH A COMBINATION OF POLICY ADJUSTMENTS FOR THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS AND AUGMENTATION OF THEM WITH A DIVERSIFIED SET OF USES, AS WELL AS WHAT WE'RE CALLING ACTIVITY CENTERS DESIGNED TO HELP PEOPLE HAVE BETTER ACCESS TO MEET THEIR DAILY NEEDS.
WE COVERED THIS LAST TIME, BUT JUST AS A REFRESHER, IT'S ALSO IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.
UM, LOVE TO HEAR ANY AND ALL FEEDBACK FROM YOU, FROM YOU WHAT YOU THINK ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT POLICIES, ANY AND ALL CONCERNS YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT ANY OF THE CONTENT WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK.
UM, STEPPING BACK HOW WELL YOU THINK THE FRAMEWORK ACTUALLY ACHIEVES THE VERY CLEAR VISION FOR THE FUTURE OF PETALUMA THAT THE PEOPLE OF THIS COMMUNITY HAVE ARTICULATED.
AND THEN, AS I NOTED EARLIER, VERY INTERESTED IN SPECIFIC FEEDBACK ON THOSE FOUR PARTICULAR COMPONENTS OF THE FRAMEWORK.
WE DID RECEIVE, I BELIEVE IT WAS THREE SETS OF WRITTEN COMMENT, UM, FROM FOLKS.
UM, JUST A FEW NOTES THAT THINK MIGHT HELP PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT FOR THOSE COMMENTS IF IT WASN'T CLEAR, AND MAYBE I, I REREAD IT AGAIN MYSELF THIS AFTERNOON.
MAYBE IT WASN'T A HUNDRED PERCENT CLEAR IN THAT AREAS I'VE CHANGED SECTION IN THE FRAMEWORK.
WE LAY IT OUT THE WAY IT, IT IS LAID OUT WITH DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE CITY BECAUSE WE REALLY WANT PEOPLE'S FEEDBACK ON EACH OF THOSE DIFFERENT OPTIONS OR ALTERNATIVES.
WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING ANY OF THEM AT THIS POINT.
UM, WE'RE NOT GONNA TELL ANYBODY, BUT WE ACTUALLY THINK SOME ARE MORE AND LESS APPROPRIATE.
BUT WE'RE VERY INTERESTED IN, IN THE COMMUNITIES AND YOUR FEEDBACK ON WHICH, UM, WHICH YOU THINK ARE BEST AND MOST APPROPRIATE.
AND SOMETIMES IT'S GONNA BE NO CHANGE.
SOMETIMES IT MAY EVEN BE A AMALGAMATION OF SOME OPTIONS PRESENTED AS, AS SOME OF YOU SUGGESTED IN YOUR WRITTEN COMMENTS, ALL OF WHICH IS EXTREMELY HELPFUL AND THANK YOU AND AND
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APPRECIATED.UM, ONE OTHER, AND THEN A FEW OTHER COMMENTS, JUST TO CLARIFY.
I KNOW IT'S A DENSE DOCUMENT, SO IT'S NOT ALWAYS EASY TO FIND WHERE THIS MAY BE.
UM, BUT ONE OF THE COMMENTS SPOKE TO THE NEED FOR MASTER PLANNING IN SOME INSTANCES.
AND WE TOTALLY AGREE, UM, PARTICULARLY FOR THOSE LARGE TOWN CENTERS, MANY OF WHICH ARE EXISTING LARGE REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTERS, WE UNDERSTAND THAT TO REALLY REDEVELOP THEM WOULD REQUIRE LIKELY A MASTER PLANNING PROCESS.
SO THAT'S SPECIFICALLY RECOMMENDED WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK.
UM, LIKEWISE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT IN MANY PARTS, THE CITY, PARTICULARLY THOSE THAT ARE TARGETED FOR A SIGNIFICANT REDEVELOPMENT, UM, IN ADDITION TO THE GENERAL PLAN AND AS A FOLLOW-UP IMPLEMENTING ACTION WORK WILL NEED TO BE DONE TO ADJUST THE CODE AS WELL AS DESIGN GUIDE, FLYING GUIDE GUIDELINES TO ENSURE THAT THEY, THE BUILDINGS THAT GET BUILT IN THE FUTURE ACTUALLY, UM, ARE IN CHARACTER WITH WHAT PEOPLE HAVE CLEARLY ARTICULATED ABOUT WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE IN THE CITY.
UM, AND THEN, UM, JUST TO CLARIFY, I KNOW IT'S TOWARDS THE END OF THE DOCUMENT, BUT THE INTENT OF HAVING A SEPARATE CHAPTER THREE, APART FROM THE CHAPTERS FOCUSED ON THE EVOLUTION OR REALLY THE 15 MINUTE CITY AS WELL AS ALL THE, THE LAND USE POLICY CHANGE IN CHAPTER ONE, WE WANTED TO HAVE A CHAPTER THREE FOCUSED ON ALL THOSE CRITICAL BUT SOMETIMES, UM, FORGOTTEN OR NEGLECTED ISSUE, INCLUDING SENSE OF PLACE, THE CRITICAL IMPORTANCE OF, OF APPROPRIATE GATEWAYS INTO THE CITY.
UM, THE NEED FOR, UM, STRONG CORRIDOR AESTHETICS AS THEY'RE REDEVELOPED.
UM, THE NEED TO UPDATE AND ESTABLISH VISIONARY DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, AND OBVIOUSLY KEEP SUSTAINABILITY FRONT AND CENTER AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
SO I JUST WANNA REMIND PEOPLE OF THOSE SECTIONS IN CHAPTER THREE.
AND THEN A QUICK NOTE ON ECONOMIC FEASIBILITY.
A COUPLE COMMISSIONERS ASKED A VERY REASONABLE QUESTION, WHY ARE WE SUGGESTING THAT SOME LAND USE DESIGNATIONS IN SOME AREAS BE CHANGED TO ALLOW FOR DEVELOPMENT THAT EXCEEDS WHAT THE MARKET SEEMS TO CURRENTLY BE ABLE TO DELIVER? UM, THE SIMPLE ANSWER IS THAT, THAT THAT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE CURRENT MARKET CONDITIONS AND THAT THIS IS A VERY LONG-TERM PLANNING DOCUMENT.
UM, 20 PLUS YEAR PLANNING HORIZON.
WE ALL KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE THAT MARKETING CONDITIONS CHANGE SOMETIMES IN VERY RAPID, UNEXPECTED DIRECTIONS.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS CREATE A PLANNING DOCUMENT THAT CLEARLY ARTICULATES THAT PREFERRED FUTURE SETTLEMENT PATTERN SO THAT THE GENERAL PLAN AT LEAST ALLOWS FOR WHAT PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
AND WE DISCUSSED LAST TIME, WE CAN'T WILL THAT INTO BEING, BUT WE CAN AT LEAST USE THE PLAN TO GET OUTTA THE WAY AND ALLOW FOR WHAT PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO SEE TO BE DEVELOPED IN THE FUTURE WITHOUT HINDRANCES.
UM, REMIND FOLKS TOO THAT THAT SAME STUDY THAT WAS DONE MADE A NUMBER OF SUGGESTIONS FOR IMPROVING FEASIBILITY.
UM, I BELIEVE ALL OF WHICH WE'VE INCORPORATED ONE MORE, ONE WAY OR ANOTHER INTO THE VARIOUS POLICY FRAMEWORKS SO THAT, UM, THE CITY IN THE ROLE THAT IT CAN PLAY TO, TO INCREASE FEASIBILITY, UH, IS PROACTIVE ABOUT THAT.
AND THEN FINALLY, BECAUSE WE KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF INTEREST IN CORRIDORS, I TOOK A FEW MINUTES TO QUICKLY SUMMARIZE THE VARIOUS STRATEGIES THAT ARE DISPERSED THROUGHOUT THE FRAMEWORK TO, UM, FACILITATE THE EVOLUTION OF CORRIDORS.
AND IT INCLUDES OBVIOUSLY GETTING THE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS AND THE ASSOCIATED STANDARDS, RIGHT? UM, IN SOME CASES, NOT ALL, BUT IN SOME CASES ANCHORING THEM AT ONE END OR BOTH, UM, WITH A, WITH A EXPLICIT 15 MINUTE COMMUNITY ACTIVITY CENTER, ADDING THE GATEWAYS, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, UM, SUPPLEMENTING LAND USE CHANGE WITH, UM, MOBILITY IMPROVEMENTS.
AND THEN ALSO, AS I NOTED EARLIER, UM, UH, SUPPLEMENTING THE LAND USE CHANGE WITH APPROPRIATE UPDATED TAILORED DESIGN GUIDELINE GUIDELINES, IMPROVEMENTS TO STREETS, SCAPES, AND OTHER ELEMENTS OF THE PUBLIC REALM.
OKAY, THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION.
AND WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE INTO PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, ONCE AGAIN, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.
PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON.
IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE SO ALREADY, PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD AND BRING IT TO THE CLERK.
DID WE HAVE ANY IN ROOM COMMENTS? CHECKING? OH, WE GOT ONE.
UH, JUST CONFIRM YOU'LL BE ABLE TO FILL OUT A CARD AFTER.
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OKAY, GREAT.UM, AND THEN I'LL COME BACK FOR, YEAH, GO AHEAD.
I JUST WANTED TO, UM, REITERATE THE WRITTEN COMMENT THAT I SENT TONIGHT OR THIS AFTERNOON.
AND THAT IS, UM, THE PROCESS FOR OUR GENERAL PLAN, UH, VIEWING THE COMMUNITY PROCESS, ET CETERA.
HAVING ONE MONTH FOR THE GPAC AND THE COMMUNITY TO REALLY DIGEST THIS DOCUMENT AND HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT IT AND HAVE UNDERSTANDING, UM, I THINK IS REALLY FALLING SHORT.
AND IF WE TAKE 48 MONTHS OF GENERAL PLANNING AND ONE MONTH OF COMMUNITY, UH, INPUT FOR LAND USE, IT'S A BIT, UM, OUT OF BALANCE.
THANK YOU FOR THAT PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND BEFORE I MOVE ON, CLERK, WERE THERE ANY COMMENTS RECEIVED PRIOR TO THE MEETING? YES, WE RECEIVED FOUR PUBLIC COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING, ALL OF WHICH HAVE BEEN PUBLISHED ONLINE AND ALSO IN THE BACK FOR READING AS WELL.
BEFORE I MOVE OUT OF PUBLIC COMMENT, WE JUST HAD SOMEBODY COME BACK.
DID YOU WANNA MAKE, OKAY, GOOD.
OKAY, THEN WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION.
UM, AND, AND, UH, IF THERE'S, IF IT'S WORTH PUTTING THE SLIDE BACK UP SO WE CAN SORT OF SEE WHAT SOME OF THE STAFF QUESTIONS THAT THEY WISHED FOR US TO ADDRESS, WE COULD THROW THAT UP FOR A LITTLE BIT.
UM, TO HELP GUIDE THE CONVERSATION.
COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON.
I JUST WANNA GO INTO GATEWAYS INTO OUR CITY AND CORRIDOR.
UM, I JUST THINK THAT THE GATEWAY INTO OUR CITY IS NOT JUST, UM, COMING IN FROM, UH, THE BOULEVARD, BUT IT'S ALSO WASHINGTON STREET.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE GATEWAYS TODAY ARE JUST, THEY'RE VERY BLIGHT, TOO MANY CHAIN LINK FENCES AND TOO MANY DIRT, YOU KNOW, PROPERTIES THAT HAVE BEEN JUST VACANT FOR DECADES.
AND, YOU KNOW, THAT IS THE GATEWAY INTO OUR CITY.
I KNOW WE TALK ABOUT BEAUTIFICATION OF THE STREETS, BUT WHEN THERE'S CHAIN LINK FENCES ALL AROUND AND THERE'S NO PROPOSALS FOR THESE PROJECTS, I JUST THINK THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT OUR CITY.
AND IT'S NOT A REAL POSITIVE, UM, WHEN YOU DRIVE IN AND THIS IS WHAT THE GATEWAY IS.
AND I JUST WANT PEOPLE TO START REALLY LOOKING AT WHEN THEY'RE WALKING OR WHEN THEY'RE DRIVING, OBSERVING WHAT'S AROUND THEM.
UM, 'CAUSE IT'S PRETTY, UM, PRETTY DISMAL IN SOME AREAS.
AND ESPECIALLY JUST IN THE GATEWAY.
I GO THROUGH, YOU KNOW, JUST PAST WALNUT PARK COMING IN ONTO PETALUMA BOULEVARD INTO OUR HISTORIC DOWNTOWN.
WE HAVE ALMOST LIKE FOUR BLOCKS OF BASICALLY CHAIN LINK FENCES.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE SAME THING ON WASHINGTON STREET, UM, FROM LAKEVILLE COMING INTO TOWN, UM, THAT THERE'S A SHOPPING CENTER THERE THAT LOOKS HORRIBLE, BUT THERE'S ALSO CHAIN LINK FENCES THAT ARE JUST DILAPIDATED AND IT MAKES OUR CITY LOOK HORRIBLE.
AND I THINK GATEWAYS ARE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, UM, TO LOOK AT.
UM, 'CAUSE IT REALLY GIVES PEOPLE A SENSE OF WHO WE ARE AND, AND WHAT THEY'RE SEEING IS WHAT WE ARE
SO I JUST WANNA TALK ABOUT THAT JUST NOW AND I'LL END IT THERE.
UM, WE CAN JUST WORK OUR WAY DOWN THE LINE.
IF COMMISSIONER HOOPER WOULD LIKE TO GO NEXT.
I COMING TO THIS NOW 'CAUSE I COULDN'T BE AT THE LAST MEETING.
THIS IS MORE JUST COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE ON THE PLAN AT THIS STAGE, RIGHT? THIS IS OUR FEEDBACK ON THE FRAMEWORK AS WE'VE DONE WITH THE 13 OTHERS.
THIS IS OUR, THIS IS OUR CRACK AT THE LAND USE POLICY FRAMEWORK.
CAN I JUST ADD SOMETHING IN ADDITION? OH, HE'S GOT IT UP THERE.
WHAT WERE THE POLICIES THAT JUMPED OUT AT YOU? DID WE MISS SOMETHING? IS ARE THERE THINGS THAT YOU THINK REALLY DESERVE STRENGTHENING OR ELABORATING? SO YOU KNOWS, LIKE, UM, THE CHAIR SAID REALLY SIMILAR TO THE FEEDBACK YOU'VE GIVEN US ON OTHER MM-HMM.
WE IN DISCUSSION LAST MEETING ON JUST THIS ONE FRAMEWORK, GIVEN THE IMPORTANCE AND OBVIOUSLY YOUR PURVIEW MM-HMM.
I, I APPRECIATE THAT AND THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
UH, I'M GONNA GO A LITTLE OUTTA ORDER.
I HAVE A CORE SET OF THINGS THOUGH.
ONE THING I'D LIKE TO REALLY CALL OUT THAT JUMPED AT ME WAS, UH, THE UPSTREAM RIVER ADJACENT, UH, RIVER ADJACENT LAND USE ALTERNATIVES.
I THINK ESPECIALLY THE COMPREHENSIVE DE INTENSIFICATION OF THAT AREA IS GONNA BE INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY GIVEN WHAT THE ARMY
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CORPS OF ENGINEERS HAS CALLED FOR UP THERE AND, AND GIVEN THE CONFUSION WE'VE HAD AROUND DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA OF THE LAST DECADE.UM, I DO HAVE QUESTIONS AROUND THE, I THINK IT'S THE, LEMME MAKE SURE I PULL THIS UP.
THE STATION, RIGHT? THE, UH, STATION MIXED USE AREA, THE, THE PART OF THE ALTERNATIVE ZONING THAT CALLS FOR EIGHT STORIES.
UH, MY, MY MAIN CONCERN, I RECOGNIZE THAT IT SEEMS TO BE ONLY SPARINGLY INCLUDED AS POTENTIAL ALTERNATIVE IN CERTAIN PLACES.
I WOULD WANT LANGUAGE THOUGH, THAT REALLY CALLS FOR WILL THERE BE DESIGN GUIDELINES? WILL THERE BE MASTER PLANNING? I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A 20 PLUS YEAR DOCUMENT THAT'S MEANT TO KIND OF GET OUT OF THE WAY OF POTENTIAL, UH, POTENTIAL ECONOMIC DRIVERS AND CHANGES FOR DEVELOPMENT.
AT THE SAME TIME, I DO WANT THE, THE CERTAINTY, OR AT LEAST THE CONSIDERATION THAT SHOULD, THAT SHOULD SEVEN OR EIGHT STORIES START TO BECOME SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WANT TO BRING TO THIS TOWN, THAT WE ALREADY HAVE SOME DESIGN GUIDELINES OR SOME PLANNING PROCESS IN PLACE, THAT IT'S NOT JUST THE FIRST FIRST PROJECT THAT POPS UP, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
UM, I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO CALL OUT, UH, SOME OF THE RIVER ADJACENT ZONING THAT'S PROPOSED FOR SIX STORIES.
I ALSO THINK THAT'S AGAIN, ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF NEEDING TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A GOOD COMMUNITY PROCESS IN PLACE, OR AT LEAST LINKED IN THE, IN THE WRITTEN DOCUMENTATION FOR THIS.
SO THAT IT'S BOTH IN THE GENERAL PLAN, BUT ALSO IN THE IZO AND CLEARLY STATED SO THAT WE'RE NOT RUNNING INTO, AGAIN, ONE OR TWO PROJECTS SHOWING UP AND TAKING FOLKS BY SURPRISE.
'CAUSE I THINK THESE ARE GONNA BE SIGNIFICANT DEPARTURES SHOULD THEY HAPPEN.
UM, I REALLY, I HAVE TO SAY I WAS REALLY PLEASED TO SEE THE ADDITION OF THE MAKER AND MICRO BUSINESS DE DESIGNATION.
I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
I THINK FIVE OR SIX MEETINGS IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, UH, ESPECIALLY AROUND THE INDUSTRIAL AREAS AND KIND OF MIXED USE.
UM, AND THEN FINALLY FOR THE, THE 15 MINUTE NEIGHBORHOOD AR UH, AREAS AND THE KIND OF EMPHASIS ON CREATING CITY CENTERS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
ONE THING I, I DID NOTICE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH DISCUSSION OR AT LEAST NOT ENOUGH DOCUMENTATION ON HOW WE BRING THE ECONOMIC ACTIVITY THERE.
THINGS LIKE BODEGAS, THINGS LIKE FAMILY MARKETS TRY AND REPLICATE THINGS THAT WE'VE SEEN IN PLACES LIKE LOLITA.
WELL, IT'S NOT LOLITA'S ANYMORE.
UH, THESE KIND OF SMALLER MARKETS THAT CAN REALLY HELP MAKE THAT FEASIBLE AND KIND OF BRING IN MORE FAMILY ACTIVITY.
I ALSO THINK THERE'S A BIT OF A MIXED MISSED OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT MORE ROW HOUSING AND DUPLEXES IN SOME OF OUR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS IN SOME OF THE LAND USE ALTERNATIVES.
UM, BUT FINALLY, AT LEAST MY, MY LAST COMMENT FOR NOW, I'LL SAY, UM, I KINDA HAVE TO AGREE WITH A COMMENT THAT WAS JUST MADE BY THE PUBLIC.
I KNOW WE'VE HAD THIS FOR, WELL SINCE AUGUST 22ND, AND I KNOW I'VE CERTAINLY SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH IT.
AND I KNOW THERE WAS A PRIOR MEETING TO THIS WHERE THERE IS MORE ACTIVE DISCUSSION.
I DO THINK WE NEED MORE TIME WITH THIS FINAL PIECE TO REALLY DIG INTO IT, TO REALLY LOOK AT WHAT THE ALTERNATIVES MEAN AND TO REALLY BRING THE PUBLIC IN AND KIND OF DEINTENSIFY A LOT OF MISINFORMATION AROUND WHAT THIS IS AND WHAT IT PROPOSES.
AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO GET THIS PART RIGHT FIRST BEFORE WE MOVE INTO THE NEXT STEP OF THE GENERAL PLAN.
AND I THINK THERE'S BEEN A SIGNIFICANT EFFORT TO HAVE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AROUND THIS, BUT I DO THINK MORE TIME AND MORE OPPORTUNITY IS GONNA BE CRITICAL FOR THIS TO DIGEST AND TO GET THE FEEDBACK WE NEED.
UM, I KNOW THAT THIS IS A REPETITION OF SOME OF THE THINGS I WROTE DOWN, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY BOTHERING ME.
UM, THERE'S NOT A SINGLE MESSAGE OF ACCESSIBILITY FOR OTHERS IN THIS LAND USE.
UM, I DID A WORD SEARCH FOR THE WORD DISABLED, UM, CARLESS, UM, ANY WORD I COULD THINK OF THAT WOULD ALLOW ME TO DO IT, TO LOOK AT IT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF SOMEONE WHO DOES NOT DRIVE A CAR.
AND IT'S NOT A LAND USE FRAMEWORK FOR SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T DRIVE A CAR.
UM, AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I, I'M SERIOUSLY CONCERNED ABOUT.
UM, ANOTHER COUPLE OF THINGS JUST TO MENTION A COUPLE OF SLIDES THAT YOU SHOWED.
CAN YOU PULL UP A COUPLE OF THOSE? UM, ONE WAS ABOUT CONSTRUCTION.
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NO FURTHER ON I THINK NO, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT CONSTRUCTION.UM, ON THIS ONE HERE PARTICULARLY, UM, IF WE COULD PUT IN SOMETHING LIKE WALKING, ROLLING AND BIKING, INSTEAD OF ALWAYS JUST WALKING AND BICYCLE, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WERE DISCOUNTING.
34% OF THE PEOPLE DON'T DO EITHER WALKING OR BIKING.
UM, AND SO WE, IF WE COULD PUT SOME DESIGNATION IN THERE THAT ACCOUNTS FOR THOSE PART OF THE POPULATION THAT WE'RE IGNORING.
AND THEN ON CONSTRUCTION PROCESS, 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHICH SLIDE IT WAS, BUT IT WASN'T ONE OF THESE, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF NEW CONSTRUCTION PROCESSES THAT ARE BEING DEVELOPED RIGHT NOW, AND I KNOW THAT THE COURSE THAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE.
AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO PUT IN A GENERAL CLAUSE THAT SAYS WE WILL BE LOOKING AT HOW TO DEVELOP PROCESSES TO INVOLVE THOSE.
I'M BEEN IN CORRESPONDENCE WITH SOMEBODY WHO'S DOING A, UM, OFFSITE CONSTRUCTION OF THE CENTRAL CORE OF HOUSES, WHICH IS TWO BATHROOMS, A KITCHEN AND ALL OF THE UTILITY.
UM, AND THEY BRING THOSE IN ON A TRUCK.
YOU CAN BRING THREE OF THEM IN ON A FLATBED TRUCK FOR A WHOLE LOT LESS COST AND THEN STICK FRAME THE REST OF THE HOUSE.
AND SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT THOSE KINDS OF THINGS AND NOT JUST SAY THAT PARTICULAR ONE, BUT IN THE FUTURE WE WILL LOOK AT ALL THE POSSIBILITIES OF DOING CONSTRUCTION THAT WILL MAKE THESE MORE ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE AND EASIER FOR US TO GET NEW HOUSING.
OTHER THAN MY REST OF MY WRITTEN COMMENTS, I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY TWO I HAVE FOR TONIGHT.
YEAH, I'LL GIVE MY COMMENTARY.
I HAD A GOOD OPPORTUNITY IN AUGUST 27TH TO ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND GIVE COMMENTARY.
UM, SO THIS MIGHT BE A LITTLE REPETITIVE.
THE NUMBER ONE THING FOR ME, UM, THAT MAKES ME A LITTLE UPSET IS THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PROCESS.
UH, IN SITTING IN SOME OF THE GENERAL PLAN LAND USE MEETINGS WITH GPAC BACK IN NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, WE TALKED ABOUT HOW DO WE GET THE WORD OUT? HOW DO WE ENGAGE WITH THE PUBLIC? AND THERE IS AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT LOOK, GPAC GETS FIRST CRACK, THEN WE KIND OF ROLL IT OUT TO THE PUBLIC, WE ROLL IT OUT TO EVERYONE ELSE.
BUT WITH LAND USE BEING THE HEART OF THE GENERAL PLAN, I THINK UP TO NOW IT'S BEEN KIND OF A LACKLUSTER PROMOTION.
AND I THINK NOW WE HAVE A MONTH, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THIS MONTH THERE'LL BE TWO COMMUNITY EVENTS TO INVITE FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC, BUT TO GET PEOPLE UP TO SPEED ON THE ISSUES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT IT MEANS, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE PRESENTATIONS FOR THAT WILL LARGELY HAVE FOLKS WHO ARE ALREADY ENGAGED.
UM, I DON'T THINK IS GONNA GET US TO REALLY FEELING TRUE IN COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
SO I THINK THERE'S KIND OF A TIMELINE ISSUE AND MAYBE STAFF CAN ELICIT, I'LL RUN THROUGH MY COMMENTS AND THEN MAYBE YOU CAN GIVE ME THE CONTEXT OF SCHEDULE.
BUT ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO EXTEND THAT TIMELINE AND THINK OF CREATIVE WAYS TO GO TO PEOPLE AND ELICIT FEEDBACK, I THINK IS GONNA BE REALLY IMPORTANT.
UM, IF SOME PROJECTS WE HAVE IN THE PIPE OR ANY INDICATION, THERE WILL BE A LOT OF DISCUSSION AROUND THESE THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN FOR COMMUNITY BUY-IN TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN OUR, IN OUR COMMUNITY'S GENERAL PLAN.
UH, SO THAT'S ONE HUGE ONE FOR ME.
AND, UH, VERONICA I THINK SAID THAT REALLY WELL IN OUR WRITTEN COMMENT.
UH, THE OTHER PIECE HERE, AS I SAID LAST TIME, CHAPTER THREE OF THIS DOCUMENT, I THINK IS GREAT.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT IN THERE THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SAYING BOTH ON THIS COMMISSION, BUT MORE BROADLY IN THE PUBLIC AND FROM OUR DESIGN COMMUNITY.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT FALLS TO THAT GOVERNANCE AND IMPLEMENTATION FRAMEWORK BECAUSE WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THERE'S THESE OVERLAPPING FRAMEWORKS, BUT WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO DO THAT FIRST BEFORE WE GET TO MASS AND DENSITY SO THAT THE PROJECTS WE DO HAVE AREN'T GETTING IN UNDER THE WIRE BEFORE WE HAD GOOD STANDARDS, BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN THE NAME OF THE GAME FOR A LONG TIME.
UH, SO I WANT US TO REALLY THINK ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS, WHETHER THAT'S IN THIS FRAMEWORK, WHETHER THAT'S IN GOVERNANCE AND IMPLEMENTATION FRAMEWORK.
SOME WAY TO MAKE SURE THESE DESIGN ELEMENTS INCLUDING SOMETHING IN THERE ABOUT EXCEPTIONAL DESIGN REALLY TAKES CENTER STAGE IN DISCUSSIONS OF SOME OF THE, THE G UH, GPLU CHANGES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I MENTIONED LAST TIME IS JUST CONSIDERING THESE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD GO IN THE ANALYSIS IN THIS SECTION, BUT IN THE CONTEXT OF EXISTING STATE LAWS.
I MEAN, DENSITY BONUS HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME.
BUT I THINK WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, ESPECIALLY THE DENSITY CHANGES, NOT EVEN AS MUCH
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THE HEIGHT, BUT THOSE DENSITY CHANGES FOR A LOT OF OUR MIXED USE AREAS AND INCREASES IN RESIDENTIAL.JUST THINKING, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IN NOT ONLY THE CURRENT CONTEXT OF DENSITY BONUS LAWS, BUT IF WE THINK ABOUT ANY LEGISLATION COMING DOWN THE PIPELINE, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE WE OPENING UP? BECAUSE I HAD A LAND USE ATTORNEY WHO MENTIONED TO ME WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T GET INTO THE WEEDS OF IT, BUT CITIES ARE HESITATING TO CHANGE ZONING AND DENSITIES DRASTICALLY RIGHT NOW.
AND OBVIOUSLY WE ARE IN GENERAL PLAN, WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THAT OPTION TO NOT LOOK AT THIS.
WE HAVE TO PLAN AND IT'S 20 YEARS.
BUT I JUST WANT THAT AS PART OF THE CONVERSATION, AS THE CONTEXT OF SOME OF THESE LAWS THAT ALLOW FOR WAIVERS AND THINGS, UH, WITH OUR CURRENT LIMITS.
UM, AND THEN ONE PIECE THAT I MENTIONED LAST TIME THAT I REALLY, IT'S A SPECIFIC AREA CALLED OUT HERE.
IT'S A TYPE OF ZONING CALLED FLEX.
UH, IT'S A, OR IT'S A GENERAL PLAN LAND USE CALLED FLEX.
AND THIS ONLY APPLIES TO THE PARCELS WITH THE HUNT AND BARREN SILOS AND THE DAIRYMAN SILOS.
AND THAT'S A WEIRD ONE FOR ME BECAUSE THAT CAME UP, I KNOW COUNCIL KIND OF MADE A DECISION LIKE, ELIMINATE THIS FROM THE LAND USE ALTERNATIVES DON'T HAVE IT AS ONE OF THOSE AREAS WE TALK ABOUT, BUT WE HAVE A SPECIAL DESIGNATION JUST FOR THOSE AREAS.
SO WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO, IF THE OPTION IS JUST REZONE THEM OR HAVE PUBLIC DISCUSSION, I DON'T WANNA JUST REZONE THEM.
LIKE I THINK I, I GUESS WE MOVE IT BACK INTO PUBLIC DISCUSSION.
IS IT POSSIBLE JUST TO ELIMINATE THAT, UM, TO KIND OF GO WITH THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL IN THAT DISCUSSION AND THINK, WELL, MAYBE THEY DIDN'T MEAN TO JUST SUBTLY REZONE IT.
UM, SO I THINK THAT'S A BIG AREA TO LOOK AT BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PREFERENCES FOR AREAS.
AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT REMOVED FROM THE CONVERSATION OR MAYBE WE MOVE IT BACK TO ASK THE COMMUNITY.
BUT I, MY PREFERENCE IS TO FOLLOW WHAT COUNCIL'S GUIDANCE HAS BEEN THUS FAR.
UM, I THINK BESIDES THAT, I, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE TO ELIMINATE AREAS.
UH, I KNOW THAT WAS A DISCUSSION LAST TIME, IS WE DON'T NEED ALL OF THESE AREAS TO MEET SOME OF OUR GOALS.
UM, I THINK PRIORITIZING WOULD BE GREAT.
LIKE I THINK WASHINGTON STANDS OUT AS THE OBVIOUS PLACE WHEN WE'RE ON PBA C WE'RE CONSTANTLY TALKING ABOUT THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM IS WASHINGTON, WHAT DO WE DO WITH THIS CORRIDOR? UH, SO FIGURING OUT WHAT WE CAN DO FOR REDEVELOPMENT THAT THEN FUNDS IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT CORRIDOR, I THINK IS KIND OF NUMBER ONE.
UM, AND THEN YOU HAVE CORONA STATION AND THEN, YOU KNOW, FROM THERE, I THINK GETTING FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC ON ALL THESE AREAS IS GREAT.
AND I'M HESITANT TO CUT ANYTHING OTHER THAN I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO PRIORITIZE ON WHERE WE WANT, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
UM, I THINK ASIDE FROM THAT, I HAD A COUPLE BROADER QUESTIONS LIKE, WHAT IS THE FUTURE OF RIVER DEPENDENT INDUSTRIAL? WILL THAT BE A THING IN PETALUMA ANYMORE? MAYBE IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE.
UH, AND THEN ALSO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CHANGING GENERAL PLAN LAND USE OF THE NORTH RIVER AND THE NEW RIVER PARK SITE, UH, AND TO MOVE FROM KIND OF HAMMER DOWN DIATRIBE TO A QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY, UM, DO WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ANYTHING FOR PROPERTY OWNERS IN THOSE AREAS? WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CHANGING GENERAL PLAN LAND USE? I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HAS ACTIVE APPLICATIONS FOR EITHER THE NORTH RIVER AREA WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING, UM, OR WELL, I, I DON'T THINK SO YET FOR THE NEW RIVER PARK, WHAT WAS THE SCANNELL SITE? DO WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ANYTHING WITH CHANGING THOSE OR, 'CAUSE I I REALLY SUPPORT THE NORTH RIVER ONE, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IN PROCESS.
I WOULD IMAGINE ALL THOSE EXISTING APPLICATIONS HAVE PROBABLY VESTED EITHER THROUGH VESTING, TENANT MAPS OR, UH, DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS OR, UH, OBTAINING, WE CALL IT ACO VESTING.
ACO IS THE CASE WHERE YOU GET A BUILDING PERMIT AND YOU START PUTTING IN SOME HARD COSTS, UH, TO IMPLEMENT THAT BUILDING PERMIT.
UH, BUT I WOULD IMAGINE ALSO THAT THE EXISTING USES, IF THOSE LAND USE CHANGES, THEY'RE GONNA BE GRANDFATHERED IN TO THE PRIOR, THEY JUST CAN'T EXPAND THE USES BEYOND WHAT THEIR EXISTING USE ALREADY IS.
AND FOR THOSE SITES THAT DON'T HAVE DEVELOPMENT THAT AREN'T GRANDFATHERED IN, IT'S PRETTY HARD.
IT, IT WOULD BE A TAKING, I GUESS, FIFTH AMENDMENT, UH, UM, UH, SORRY, UH, FIFTH AMENDMENT WOULD POTENTIALLY BE AN ISSUE.
BUT IT'S HARD TO, FOR A, TAKING A, UH, ESSENTIALLY THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO REZONE THE PARCEL WHERE THERE'S NO APPLICABLE USE OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS PRETTY TOUGH, I THINK.
THANK YOU FOR ELUCIDATING THAT BECAUSE I, I REALLY DO SUPPORT THE DE INTENSIFICATION OF THAT AREA.
I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO GET INTO ANY TROUBLE THERE.
SO THEN I THINK OTHER THAN THAT FEEDBACK, I, YOU KNOW, I JUST HIGHLIGHTED THE PARTS I THINK NEED DISCUSSION OR NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
UH, AND OBVIOUSLY WE'LL LEAVE THAT TO OTHER COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION AS WELL.
BUT I WILL SAY THAT THERE'S A LOT TO, LIKE IN HERE.
UH, LIKE I SAID, THAT CHAPTER THREE IS EXCELLENT.
I THINK TAKING A STAB AT BREAKING UP THE SEA OF R THREE OR R ONE IS EXCELLENT.
I THINK THERE'S SOME GREAT MOVES IN THAT DIRECTION.
UM, THE 15 MINUTE CITY, I DON'T KNOW IF WE REBRANDED, I HEARD SOMEONE SAY COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOODS.
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I THINK IT'S AN INTERESTING ETHOS.YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT THERE'S NO REAL, UH, WHAT DO I SAY, SPECIFIC PLANS.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE A, A VIBE OR A PHILOSOPHY TO TRY TO MAKE.
UM, I THINK, I THINK IT'S AN INTERESTING EXERCISE.
I DON'T WANT TO OVERCOMMIT RESOURCES TO SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH TEETH TO, BUT I, I THINK IT'S A WORTHY EXERCISE TO INCLUDE IN HERE AND GET FEEDBACK ON.
UM, SO YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD THINGS IN HERE.
THERE'S A LOT WITH GENTLE DENSITY.
UM, I JUST THINK WE NEED A PROCESS THAT BUILDS PUBLIC TRUST AND EVEN LETS THEM KNOW WHAT THIS IS.
'CAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE STILL DON'T EVEN KNOW THE GENERAL PLAN'S HAPPENING MUCH LESS.
WE'RE AT GENERAL PLAN LAND USE PLANNING THE NEXT 20 YEARS AND, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TWO WEEKS TO CATCH UP.
UM, SO WHATEVER WE CAN DO ON A COMBINATION OF COMMS AND TIMELINE FOR THAT, I THINK IS NUMBER ONE.
UM, I'VE GOT A BIT OF A GRAB BAG ACROSS THE SPECIFIC FEEDBACK CATEGORIES.
UM, IN TERMS OF LAND USE DESIGNATIONS, I WONDER IF WE COULD GET A QUICK DESIGN, UH, QUICK DEFINITION ON THE MAKERSPACE MICRO BUSINESS.
UM, THE DEFINITION OF THE MAKER SLASH MICRO BUSINESS DESIGNATION IS INTENDED TO SUPPORT UNIQUE LOCAL ECONOMIC ACTIVITIES AND TOURISM, IT ESSENTIALLY ALLOWS, UM, MORE OR LESS ALL NON-RESIDENT USES OTHER THAN LIKE A HEAVY INDUSTRIAL.
SO THAT INCLUDES RETAIL OFFICE, HOTEL RESEARCH DEVELOPMENT, MEDICAL LIGHT, INDUSTRIAL MAKER SPACE, FOOD, BEVERAGE WORK, LIVE PRODUCTION, DISTRIBUTION AND REPAIR.
JUST KIND OF AS, AS AN EXAMPLE.
SO IT'S PRETTY PERMISSIVE ON THE NON-RESIDENTIAL SIDE.
IT FELT LIKE WE WERE USING THAT BROADLY IN AREAS OF POTENTIAL FLOOD RISK AS SORT OF A MORE, I'M GONNA SAY DISPOSABLE
AND MY CONCERN THERE IS YOU MAY END UP WITH SOMEONE WHO'S GOT A SMALL CREATIVE BUSINESS THAT THEY'VE POURED THEIR WHOLE LIFE INTO, THAT THEN GETS PUT INTO A PROPERTY THAT WE'VE BEEN INTENTIONALLY DE INTENSIFYING, UM, BUT PUT THEIR BABY OF A BUSINESS
SO I'M JUST A LITTLE NERVOUS ABOUT WHETHER A MAKER MICRO BUSINESS, UM, DESIGNATION IS ACTUALLY DE INTENSIFYING, UM, THOSE AREAS THAT IT WAS BEING USED IN.
WELL, I THINK I, AND THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
UM, I THINK THE MAIN CONCERN WITH THE RESILIENCE AND THE FLOODING IMPACTS WAS MOSTLY ON A RESIDENTIAL SIDE.
UM, YOU HAVE MORE STRATEGIES AND MORE WAYS TO KIND OF BE RESILIENT IF YOU HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, A COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL BUSINESS WHERE YOU'RE NOT LIVING, YOU CAN HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN RAISE THE FLOORS OR YOU CAN BUILD, MAYBE WE COULD BUILD THE BUSINESS WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE WATER IN THERE, UM, WHICH IS MORE DIFFICULT VERSUS RESIDENTIAL.
SO WHEN WE THOUGHT OF DE INTENSIFYING, IT WAS REALLY PULLING BACK FROM A, A RESIDENTIAL, A MIXED USE ENVIRONMENT.
BUT I THINK YOU, YOU MAKE A, A, A GOOD, A FAIR POINT.
AND THEN THE OTHER LAND USE DESIGNATION COMMENT I HAD, I, I WANTED TO DIG IN A LITTLE BIT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, DEPRIORITIZING OR, OR EVEN NOT ALLOWING SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, HOW THAT IMPACTS THE NOTION OF COTTAGES.
WHICH DESIGNATIONS SPECIFICALLY ARE YOU REFERRING TO? UM, SOME OF THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, THE, THE RESIDENTIAL THAT'S INCREASING DENSITY, WHICH I'M FOR, BUT WE, I THINK HAVE A NEED FOR SMALLER FOOTPRINT, BUT STILL TECHNICALLY A SINGLE FAMILY.
SO ARE YOU REFERRING TO WHERE WE, UM, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY, BUT WE HAVE SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE ABOUT, UM, NOT ALLOWING SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED IN, IT MIGHT BE OUR R THREE, R FOUR OR FIVE, THOSE, THOSE HIGHER DENSITY, UM, GREAT, GREAT FEEDBACK.
UM, THAT, THAT WAS NOT THE INTENT.
THE INTENT IS, AND WE'VE SEEN THIS HAPPEN A NUMBER OF TIMES ON OUR HIGHER DENSITY, OUR R FOUR OR R FIVE, OUR, YOU KNOW, MEDIUM TO HIGH DENSITY COME IN AND BE DEVELOPED WITH KIND OF THE TYPICAL SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES.
UM, SO GREAT FEEDBACK, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE PROVIDING ENOUGH FLEXIBILITY THAT HIGHER DENSITY, UH, YOU KNOW, COTTAGES, A COTTAGE OVERLAY OR SOME, SOMETHING LIKE THAT BE EXPLORED TO NOT PREVENT THAT.
UM, AND THEN JUST DIGGING INTO THE AREAS OF CHANGE, I, I'LL TRY TO TYPE UP MY FEEDBACK FOR YOU GUYS, UM, BEFORE
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THE END OF THE MONTH, BUT THERE WERE A COUPLE, UM, OF SPECIFIC, UH, PAGES I WANTED TO CALL OUT.UM, NOTABLY EAST WASHINGTON, WHICH WAS ON PAGE 50, FIGURE 16, UM, AS, UH, VOICED PREVIOUSLY BY THE COUNCIL MEMBER.
I DO THINK EAST WASHINGTON IS RIPE FOR RENEWAL AND WOULD FAVOR ALTERNATIVE TWO, WHICH IS THE MAJOR INTENSIFICATION.
I THINK WE'VE GOT GOOD TRANSIT ACCESS, WE'VE GOT GOOD DOWNTOWN ACCESS, AND IT IS AN IMPORTANT CORRIDOR THAT, UM, IF WE'RE GOING TO BREATHE NEW LIFE INTO, WE SHOULD INTENSIFY IT IN KIND.
SO I WOULD, UH, PUT MY VOTE IN FOR ALTERNATIVE TWO ON EAST WASHINGTON AND THEN DOWN ON PAGE 55, THE OUTLETS FIGURE 21.
UM, I, I HAVE A LESS PASSIONATE VOTE FOR ALTERNATIVE ONE, BUT WANNA SAY, DO NOT MAKE IT AN ART CENTER.
UM, WORKING IN THE ARTS AND HAVING, UH, INVESTED IN COMEDY CLUBS AND BEEN TO MANY AROUND THE COUNTRY, UM, IT'S NOT A RECIPE FOR SUCCESS TO BE THAT FAR FROM A DOWNTOWN AND THAT DISCONNECTED FROM PUBLIC TRANSIT.
UM, IT JUST IS, UH, A NICE IDEA TO, TO BUILD THIS SORT OF OUTPOST OF CULTURE, BUT IT JUST DOESN'T WORK IN PRACTICE.
AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A MISTAKE TO, UM, PUT OUR ARTS COMMUNITY IN THE OUTLETS AND THINK THEY WOULD SUCCEED.
SO, UH, A VOTE AGAINST THE ART CENTER AT THE OUTLETS.
UM, AND THEN A MORE GENERAL COMMENT AROUND THE 15 MINUTE CITY, YOU KNOW, THE, THESE, THESE ACTIVITY CENTERS I THINK ARE A NICE WISHLIST.
UM, BUT I DO WORRY THAT IF WE ARE, UM, I DON'T WANNA SAY SPOT ZONING, BUT IF, IF WE ARE SORT OF HIGHLIGHTING SPECIFIC, PRETTY SMALL SECTIONS OF TOWN TO BE THESE 15 MINUTE ACTIVITY CENTERS AND THE PROPERTY OWNER OF THAT GROUP OF PARCELS ISN'T INTERESTED IN, IN BUILDING UP THAT RESOURCE, BUT SOMEONE ACROSS THE STREET IS, UM, WE'RE SORT OF, IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE THERE'S ENOUGH FLEXIBILITY THERE TO ACTUALLY LET THE MARKET DRIVE.
AND, AND I WORRY THAT WE WILL HAVE INSTANCES WHERE AS, UM, YOU KNOW, OPTIMISTIC AS OUR HOPES WERE FOR AN ACTIVITY CENTER AT A SPECIFIC PART OF TOWN.
IF THAT PROPERTY OWNER DOESN'T WANNA, DOESN'T WANNA DO IT, THEN, THEN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD'S OUTTA LUCK.
UM, SO I JUST WANNA THINK ABOUT HOW TO GET THOSE ACTIVITY CENTERS FOR THE 15 MINUTE CITY.
UM, YOU KNOW, YES, WE NEED TO BE ZONING FOR WHAT THE FUTURE WE WANT TO SEE AND ABSOLUTELY AGREE THAT THE ECONOMIC CONDITIONS ARE CHANGING AND THIS IS A LONG-TERM PLAN, AND WE WANT TO PLAN FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS THAT WE WANT TO SEE.
UM, BUT I ALSO DON'T WANNA BE HANDCUFFED TO A DEVELOPMENT PATTERN THAT A ORY BUSINESS OWNER OR LANDOWNER DOESN'T WANNA ACCOMMODATE WHEN THERE MIGHT BE SOMEONE WHO IS A COUPLE BLOCKS AWAY WHO WOULD ALSO SUPPORT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND THEY'RE LIKE DOWN TO, TO BUILD IN THE WAY THAT WOULD BE MORE MEANINGFUL FOR THAT 15 MINUTE CITY.
UM, AND I THINK I'LL LEAVE IT THERE.
COMMISSIONER MIHIR, I, I SUBMITTED, UH, TO HEATHER AND, AND ANDREW SEVERAL PAGES OF COMMENTS.
SO I DON'T, I'M NOT GONNA REPEAT THEM, BUT THEY, FROM YOUR SUMMARY, I DON'T THINK THEY'VE BEEN ADDRESSED ADEQUATELY.
SO I AGREE THAT WE NEED ANOTHER CRACK AT A MUCH FINER RE REFINED DOCUMENT TO MAKE SURE IT SAYS WHAT WE'RE ASKING IT TO SAY, BECAUSE IT, IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE SOME OF THESE THINGS YOU'RE BRUSHING BY, UH, THE ECONOMIC REALITY, UH, THAT SOMEDAY WILL COME.
THAT'S PROBABLY TRUE, MAYBE, BUT MAYBE NOT
I MEAN, YOU SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO GET, YOU KNOW, WHAT MAKES PEOPLE WANNA INVEST IN PETALUMA TO BUILD A PROJECT, NOT IF WE JUST PLAN IT.
THEY'RE GONNA COME SHOW UP AND BUILD.
WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE, WHAT THE, WHAT THE ECONOMIC DRIVERS ARE, WHAT THE REALITY IS, AND HELP THEM ACHIEVE THAT.
WE HAVE TO HELP DEVELOPERS FIND PETALUMA AND BUILD PROJECTS IN PETALUMA THAT WE WANT.
AND THERE'S NOTHING IN THIS FRAMEWORK THAT, THAT ADDRESSES THAT.
UM, THE, THE, UM, COULD, COULD YOU SHOW THAT SLIDE THAT'S ON YOUR OPENING? YOU KNOW, THE DOWNTOWN PETALUMA, THE PICTURE OF THE HISTORIC BUILDING THAT I THINK WAS YOUR FIRST SLIDE.
THE NATURE OF A SIX STORY, 60 FOOT, 70 FOOT BUILDING.
UM, IT, IT, I, I TALKED TO A, A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPER IN LOS ANGELES WHO BUILDS THIS AS A LIFESPAN.
HE SAID, WE NEED THREE OR 400 UNITS TO MAKE A SIX 60 FOOT TALL, 60 UNITS PER ACRE BUILDING COMPLEX WORK.
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STRUCTURAL COST THAT HAS PARKING STRUCTURE COSTS, IT HAS MANAGEMENT COSTS, IT HAS ELEVATOR COSTS IT.AND SO IT'S AN EXPENSIVE BUILDING TO BUILD AND THEY HAVE TO BUILD ENOUGH UNITS TO MAKE IT PAY OFF AND INCLUDE 20% AFFORDABLE.
WHAT YOU SEE THERE ON THE, ON THE CENTER OF THE SCREEN, OR THREE OR FOUR BUILDINGS, THAT'S THE SIZE OF ONE OF THESE PROJECTS, HOW WE FIT SOMETHING OF THAT SIZE INTO THIS CITY HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED.
THE GUIDELINES DON'T EVEN DEAL WITH THIS SORT OF MASS AND PROPORTION IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, DESIGN.
HOW DOES A PERSON ASSEMBLE, YOU KNOW, FOUR ACRES OF LAND TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS? SO I I JUST WORRY THAT ECONOMIC REALITY IS NOT, IS BALONEY, AND WE'RE JUST KIND OF SAYING PLANET, THEY WILL COME.
AND I, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA ACHIEVE WHAT YOU'LL WANNA ACHIEVE IN TERMS OF HOUSING.
SO I'M, ALL I'M ASKING IS THAT THIS, CAN WE DIG DEEPER AND ACTUALLY INTERVIEW A DEVELOPER OR WHAT IS IT THAT HE WOULD DO OR NOT DO? OR WHAT WOULD HE NEED? OR WHAT DO WE NEED TO PROVIDE? AND, 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST DEALING WITH PLANNERS, YOU KNOW, AND I, AND I I THINK WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GONNA GET WHAT WE WANT.
THAT'S, THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN.
UM, I THINK THE, THE, UH, THE GUIDELINES WE HAVE NOW THAT WE WENT THROUGH FOR THE OVERLAY DISTRICT DON'T EVEN, DON'T EVEN ADDRESS THIS ISSUE YET.
THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE IS GUIDELINES.
UH, SO WE EITHER NEED TO, TO, TO FACE REALITY ABOUT WHAT, WHAT WE REALLY WANT AND WHAT GUIDELINES ARE NECESSARY TO CONTROL THAT.
OTHERWISE WE'RE GONNA GET SOME BIG SURPRISES THAT WE WON'T LIKE.
AND, AND I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE UNFORTUNATE.
UM, SO I, I, ALL MY COMMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE BEFORE, AND I, I THINK THAT THE BIGGEST WEAKNESS I SEE TOO IS THAT THESE BOULEVARDS, THE FRAMEWORK OR FRAMEWORK IS A STRUCTURE.
WE'RE NOT EVER TALKING ABOUT A FRAMEWORK LIKE PETALUMA BOULEVARD AS A STRUCTURE, THE WHOLE STREET FROM ROUNDABOUT TO DOWNTOWN, THAT THAT IS AN IMAGE AND A STRUCTURE THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED.
NOT JUST ONE PROJECT, ONE STREET TREE.
WE'RE NOT GONNA ACHIEVE ANYTHING WITH THAT IN MIND.
SO THE CITY, SOMEHOW THE CITY HAS TO CONSIDER GETTING INTO CREATING BOULEVARDS, WASHINGTON, PETALUMA BOULEVARD, D STREET, WHATEVER, WHATEVER THE STREETS ARE WE THINK ARE MOST IMPORTANT TO DESIGN FOR IMAGE.
THE CITY NEEDS TO DO THAT AND, AND INSTALL THAT AND FIND A WAY TO CHARGE DEVELOPERS AS THEY BUILD NEXT TO IT BACK, CHARGE THEM FOR WHAT IT COSTS TO DO THAT.
BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE STRUCTURE TO BUILD THINGS AROUND, NO ONE'S GONNA BUILD THAT STRUCTURE FOR US.
AND, AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET IT PROJECT BY PROJECT BY PROJECT.
SO I, I KNOW IT'S COSTLY, I KNOW IT'S EXPENSIVE, I KNOW IT'S A BIG BUDGET ISSUE, BUT SOMEHOW WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT, OKAY, IF WE WANNA CONTROL OUR SENSE OF PLACE AND OUR QUALITY AND OUR ATTRACTION TO RESIDENCES, TO WORKERS, TO AND TO TOURISTS, WE NEED TO CREATE SOME BEAUTIFUL STREETS WITH BEAUTIFUL TRAILS AND WALKING DISTANCES AND LINKED TO THE RIVER, ALL THAT STUFF.
UM, AND I'M NOT, UM, YEAH, SO, SO I GUESS I'M, I'M NOT LIKE, I'M, I'M A LITTLE BIT NAIVE BECAUSE I'M FROM PRIVATE REAL ESTATE WORLD AND NOT PUBLIC CITY PLANNING, BUT I THINK WE'VE GOTTA GET CLOSER TO HOW DO WE ACHIEVE WHAT A PRIVATE DEVELOPER CAN DO WITH HIS LAND? 'CAUSE HE HAS SOMETHING AT STAKE AND WHO, HOW WE INVEST IN IT AND WHAT THE RETURN IS.
THE CITY HAS THAT SAME THING AT STAKE IN MANY WAYS, BUT THEY'RE, BUT THEY'RE LIMITED ON THE THINGS THEY CAN DO TO ORCHESTRATE IT.
BUT I THINK THERE ARE WAYS, AND MAYBE TALK TO SOME ECONOMIC CONSULTANTS WHO DO THIS FOR A BUSINESS.
HOW DO YOU ATTRACT INVESTORS? HOW DO YOU MAKE IT EASY FOR THEM TO INVEST AND, AND CREATE WHAT, WHAT YOUR, WHAT YOUR GOALS ARE? BUT USE THEM AS THE EXPERTISE, BUT JUST THE EXPERTISE OF THOSE PLANNERS DOESN'T GO VERY DEEP.
MR. NO, UH, LIKE TO START BY ACKNOWLEDGING JUST, UM, HOW MUCH WORK WENT INTO THIS AND, AND HOW, HOW IMPRESSED I AM WITH, WITH THE FRAMING OF THE, THE LAND USE, UM, ELEMENT.
UM, YOU KNOW, HEATHER, RON, THANK YOU FOR, FOR ALL YOUR WORK ON, ON THIS.
UM, I SUBMITTED SOME WRITTEN COMMENTS, SO I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL OF THOSE.
UH, I DO WANNA MAKE A COMMENT THAT'S NOT IN THE, IN THE WRITTEN COMMENTS THAT, THAT DARREN HELPED SORT OF SPUR IN MY BRAIN, UM, WITH HIS COMMENTS.
UH, AND THEN I WANT TO HIT ON TWO SORT OF IMPORTANT POINTS THAT I WANNA REINFORCE IN MY WRITTEN COMMENTS.
AND DARREN WAS TALKING ABOUT THOSE, THOSE, UM, UH, LAND USE, UH,
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POLICY LU 10.2, WHICH IS THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE USE OF THE HUNT AND BARONS AND THE DAIRYMAN'S FEED LOCATIONS.AND, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE THING THAT THE MEASURE J UM, ISSUES, UH, HAVE REALLY TAUGHT ME IS THE IMPORTANCE OF, OF THOSE FACILITIES FOR NOT JUST SORT OF PETALUMA'S HISTORICAL CHARACTER, BUT FOR, UM, THE BROADER AGRICULTURAL ECONOMY THAT THAT IS PART OF PETALUMA'S FABRIC.
UH, SO, YOU KNOW, I AM, UM, I I WOULD LIKE TO SEE LU 10.2 STAY IN THE, THE ELEMENT IS WRITTEN, BUT, AND I'LL EXPLAIN WHY, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE LU 10.1 AND, AND THE ACTION LU 10.1 0.1, WHICH SAY, YOU KNOW, OUR EXISTING POLICY IS TO REINFORCE THAT BY ADAPTIVELY ADAPTIVELY PRESERVING AND, AND UTILIZING THESE PROPERTIES AS THEY ARE RIGHT NOW AND PRESERVE THAT HISTORICAL CHARACTER.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST POLICY IN THERE IS MAINTAIN THOSE USES AND PROPERTIES, WHICH I THINK IS, IS JUST THE THING THAT IS, YOU KNOW, MEASURE J HAS KIND OF POUNDED INTO MY HEAD THAT, THAT THAT IS CRITICAL, AND I'M GLAD THAT THAT'S THE FIRST POLICY THERE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY DESIGN AND CHARACTER.
BUT I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT 10.2 IN HERE STILL, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN OVER THE NEXT 10 TO 20 YEARS.
I MEAN, CONCEIVABLY HUNTING BARONS AND DAIRYMAN'S FEED, THEY COULD DECIDE TO MERGE AND CONSOLIDATE THEIR OPERATIONS INTO ONE, YOU KNOW, BETTER FACILITY THAT PROVIDES BETTER, UH, SERVICES FOR FARMERS IN SONOMA COUNTY, WHICH WOULD LEAVE ONE PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEY USE THAT MONEY TO HELP MAKE THEIR FEED DISTRIBUTION AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THAT THING WORK BETTER FOR THEM.
UM, SO HAVING 10.2 I THINK IS IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN HERE, BUT I, I REALLY LIKE HOW 10.1 SAYS, YOU KNOW, HEY, IT'S OUR PRIORITY TO PRESERVE AND, UM, AND UTILIZE THESE, THESE EXISTING USES IN, IN THAT RIVER CORRIDOR BECAUSE OF ALL THOSE REASONS.
UM, SO THE TWO THINGS THAT I WANNA POINT OUT FROM MY WRITTEN COMMENTS ARE ABOUT, UH, BASICALLY THE 15 MINUTE NEIGHBORHOODS AND, UM, THE, THE FIRST IS THE WASHINGTON SQUARE PLAZA CENTER, 15 MINUTE NEIGHBORHOOD TOWN CENTER, UH, THAT IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT TOWN CENTER FOR BOTH EAST AND WEST PETALUMA, UH, RESIDENTS WHO LIVE IN THE HIGHWAY 1 0 1 CORRIDOR, HOW HIGHWAY 1 0 1, YOU KNOW, REALLY BREAKS UP THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO RESIDENTS WHO, WHO LIVE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY ONE OH CORRIDOR, NEED TO CROSS 1 0 1 TO GET TO WASHINGTON SQUARE PLAZA CENTER AND JUST HOW THOSE ARE, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITIES THAT ARE MORE IMPACTED BY DIESEL POLLUTION AND HIGHWAY 1 0 1 CORRIDOR AND, AND OTHER, UM, UH, USES THAT, THAT I, I THINK MEANS THAT THAT IS THE ONE TOWN CENTER THAT REALLY NEEDS AN EQUITY LENS THE MOST FOR OUR, UM, OUR PLAN, UH, AND AND RELATED TO THAT IS, UH, HOW WE SHOULD ADD MCDOWELL BOULEVARD, UM, TO ACTION LU 9.3 0.1, WHICH IS THIS LIST OF, OF STREETS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THE 15 MINUTE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT NEED IMPROVEMENT TO SORT OF ENHANCE THAT 15 MINUTE NEIGHBORHOOD CONCEPT.
AND MCDOWELL IS NOT LISTED AMONG THE, THE STREETS THAT ARE IN THAT, THAT ARE ON THAT LIST, BUT MCDOWELL IS SO IMPORTANT FOR THE PLAZA CENTER, UH, AND THE WASHINGTON SQUARE PROPERTIES FOR RESIDENTS TO GET ACROSS.
AND I, MY WIFE AND I, WE, WE LIKE TO WALK ACTUALLY TO, UH, THE PLAZA CENTER, UH, FROM OUR HOUSE ON THE EAST SIDE.
AND THE WORST PART IS GETTING ACROSS MCDOWELL, UH, AND THEN NAVIGATING THE, THE SHOPPING CENTER ITSELF.
SO ADDING MCDOWELL TO THAT LIST IN 9.3 0.1 I THINK WOULD BE REALLY IMPORTANT.
AND AGAIN, I WANNA EMPHASIZE THAT I BELIEVE THAT THE PLAZA CENTER AND WASHINGTON SQUARE ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT TOWN CENTERS FROM AN, FROM AN EQUITY PERSPECTIVE TO, TO SORT OF PRIORITIZE.
UH, SO THEN THE LAST THING I WANNA SAY IS JUST A POINT I'VE BEEN HAMMERING A LOT,
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AND I'M PROBABLY, PEOPLE ARE PROBABLY, WELL NEVERMIND, BUT, UM, THE CASA GRANDE 15 MINUTE CENTER IS A PUBLICLY OWNED PIECE OF PROPERTY OWNED BY PETALUMA CITY SCHOOLS.AND I, I REALLY APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, HEATHER, UH, AT OUR LAST MEETING CLARIFIED THAT, YOU KNOW, SHE AND AND THE CITY HAVE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH PETALUMA CITY SCHOOLS ABOUT THAT PROPERTY AND HOW ESSENTIAL THAT PROPERTY IS TO OUR, OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING GOALS.
SO I JUST WANNA EMPHASIZE THE POINT OF, OF HOW MUCH THAT MEANS TO, YOU KNOW, THE MEDIUM AND LONG-TERM VIABILITY OF, OF OUR SCHOOLS, UH, WHICH IS A CORNERSTONE FOR, FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
ANY FINAL COMMENTARY FROM THE CO COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON? WELL, I JUST, I JUST APPRECIATE TALKING ABOUT, UH, THE, THE FEED MILLS AND YOU KNOW, THAT THEY COULD BE CONSOLIDATED AND, YOU KNOW, THEN WHAT DO THEY DO WITH THE LAND? BECAUSE IT IS A MEANS, UM, FOR CONSOLIDATIONS FINANCIALLY, AND, YOU KNOW, AND WITH MEASURE MEASURE JI MEAN, IT CERTAINLY OPENED ALL OF OUR EYES, YOU KNOW, TO REALLY WHAT COULD HAPPEN.
I MEAN, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, LIKE 81 AG, YOU KNOW, BUSINESSES THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED BY IF THIS, IF THIS IS NOT A NO, AND THEN IT REALLY DOES CHANGE, YOU KNOW, HOW WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THINGS, BUT I'M ANTICIPATING THAT IT'LL BE THE OPPOSITE.
BUT I THINK YOU'RE CORRECT THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS, UM, THE AG COMPONENTS IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
AND I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE, UM, CASA GRANDE WITH SCHOOLS BECAUSE, UM, HOUSING THERE, OUR SCHOOLS ARE LOSING STUDENTS AND IT'S REALLY A PROBLEM.
UM, WE'RE HAVING A REAL IMBALANCE AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, UM, A LIVE OAK MIGHT BE GOING TO ANOTHER LOCATION BECAUSE VALLEY VISTA HAS SUCH A DECLINE IN STUDENTS, SO THERE'S A LOT OF SHIFTING THAT SEEMS TO BE GOING ON.
UM, AND THEN THERE WAS A COMMENT MADE ABOUT, UM, OH, JUST WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, FACTORY OUTLETS, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THAT'S KIND OF A CONNECTION WITH THE GREENWAY, HOW YOU WOULD ACTUALLY CONNECT SOMETHING, UM, TO THAT AREA.
AND SO I'M LOOKING AT IT KIND OF AS A, I MEAN, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF POSSIBILITIES THERE, BUT I THINK THE GREENWAY COULD ALSO BE THE, UH, FACTOR THAT MAKES THOSE CHANGES.
AND IT IS OUTTA THE WAY, IT'S TOTALLY OUTTA THE WAY.
IT SHOULD HAVE NEVER HAVE BEEN BUILT THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE NOW.
SO YOU HAVE TO, UH, WORK WITH IT.
BUT, UM, IF THOSE INTERCONNECTED TRAILS ARE THERE, WHAT WOULD BE A GOOD USE OF THAT SITE? AND MAYBE IT'S NOT AN ART, BUT IT MIGHT BE MORE NATURE BASED OF SOME SORT.
SO, BUT IT'S, UH, KIND OF IN A NOWHERE ZONE.
MY POINT THERE WAS THAT I THINK MIXED USE IS TOTALLY RELEVANT, BUT IF YOU'RE TRYING TO BUILD, FOR EXAMPLE, A PERFORMING ART CENTER THAT'S JUST NOT CLOSE ENOUGH TO, LIKE, IF YOU'RE WANTING TO DO DINNER IN A SHOW, THAT'S NOT THE PLACE TO DO IT.
OR, YOU KNOW, WITHIN AN AREA THAT YOU CAN USE COMMERCE.
SO, UH, COMMISSIONER HOOPER AND THEN, UH, THANK YOU.
I DID WANT TO SAY, UH, KIND OF HEARING SOME OF THE OTHER COMMENTS, ESPECIALLY ROGER'S COMMENTS AND REALLY THINKING ABOUT, UH, SOMETHING THAT'S, I, I THINK HAS COME UP IN MANY OF THE THINGS WE'VE SAID, WHICH IS A CONCERN OVER REALLY WHAT THE IMPLEMENTATION OF SOME OF THIS LOOKS LIKE AND HOW THE FINER DETAIL DETAILS ARE SPELLED OUT.
UH, I SINCERELY HOPE WE CAN GET MORE TIME WITH THIS AND SINCERELY HOPE THE PUBLIC CAN GET MORE TIME WITH THIS.
I KNOW WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE FRAMEWORKS NOW, AND THIS IS FRAMEWORK 14 AND 14, BUT IT IS THE ONE WE'VE BEEN PROMISED FOR SO LONG, AND IT'S IN A WEIRD WAY, THE ONE WE'VE ALMOST HAD THE LEAST AMOUNT OF TIME WITH.
AND THAT'S, I'M NOT BLAMING ANYONE FOR THAT.
IT'S JUST NOW WE'RE HERE AND PEOPLE ARE GETTING MORE AND MORE INTERESTED IN WHAT THIS IS GONNA LOOK LIKE.
AND THIS IS PROBABLY THE MOST ACCESSIBLE PART IN THE PROCESS FOR THEM TO LOOK AT THE BROAD STROKES OF THIS BEFORE IT GETS INTO KIND OF THE MEAT AND POTATOES OF WHAT IT MEANS.
AND TO THAT POINT, I WANTED TO SAY IF WE DO GET MORE FOLLOW UP OR MORE DETAIL TO THIS DRAFT, ONE THING THAT I THINK WILL HELP, AND NOT JUST FOR US, BUT FOR FOLKS WHO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT DOES IMPLEMENTATION LOOK LIKE, UM, BEING ABLE TO SPELL OUT, ESPECIALLY FOR THIS FRAMEWORK, WHAT ARE THINGS THAT'LL BE DISCUSSED IN THE IZO? WHAT ARE THINGS THAT'LL BE DISCUSSED IN MORE IN FULL WHEN THE POLICY SECTION OF THE GENERAL PLAN IS WRITTEN OUT, WHERE WILL THOSE STEPS BE? I THINK THAT'LL HELP A GREAT DEAL IN PEOPLE UNDERSTANDING
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WHAT IS LIMITED TO THIS FRAMEWORK VERSUS WHAT IS GOING TO BE SPELLED OUT IN MORE DETAIL IN FUTURE STEPS.I KNOW IT'LL, IT'LL PROBABLY HELP SOME OF US, BUT IT'LL ALSO GIVE A MORE COMPREHENSIVE VIEW FOR THE PUBLIC.
AND THAT'S, I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S THE EASIEST BY THE WAY, AND I'M SURE THAT'S A WHOLE LOT OF WORK.
SO I'M, I'M NOT SAYING, OH, JUST DO THIS, BUT I, I THINK SPELLING IT OUT THAT WAY WILL EASE SOME CONCERN THAT WHAT IF THINGS ARE BEING LEFT OUT WHEN WE NEED TO DISCUSS IT NOW, WHEN THAT DISCUSSION MIGHT COME LATER.
JUST A COUPLE FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS.
UM, JUST TO UNDERSTAND, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GENERAL PLAN, LAND USE CHANGES.
WHAT IS THE PROCESS OR HOW DOES THIS MAP EVENTUALLY TO ZONING THINKING SPECIFICALLY THE MILLS, WE DO THIS FLEX DESIGNATION, WHAT DO WE ANTICIPATE IN TERMS OF ZONING? DO YOU THINK THERE'LL BE A CORRESPONDING, I DON'T WANT TO JUMP OUT AHEAD OF US, BUT DO YOU THINK THERE WOULD BE A CORRESPONDING FLEX ZONE IN THE IZO, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND HAVE WE GOTTEN FEEDBACK FROM THOSE MILL OWNERS ON KIND OF THEIR THOUGHTS ON THE, THE DISCUSSION OF THEIR PROPERTY? UM, HEATHER, I THINK, UM, THANK YOU.
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR BRIAN HARRIS IS GONNA STIR A FEW COMMENTS.
WE NEED ANOTHER CHAIR UP THERE.
UH, GOOD EVENING, UH, CHAIR PLANNING COMMISSION AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, BRIAN O DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S ALWAYS INTEREST, UH, WHETHER THERE'S, UM, AN ACTIVE PROJECT OR AN IDEA.
UM, I THINK THERE'S AWARENESS THAT THERE'S CONVERSATION WITHIN THE PUBLIC ABOUT LAND USE, CHANGING GENERAL PLAN UPDATE.
UM, AND SO WITHOUT ACTUALLY GOING INTO ANY SPECIFICS, UM, THERE WILL BE A STEP WHERE, UM, ONCE WE START TO FINALIZE AND FORMALIZE A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE POTENTIAL AREAS THAT CHANGE, THERE IS GONNA BE A LEVEL OF ENGAGEMENT, UM, WITH PROPERTY OWNERS, UM, AND THE BUSINESSES THERE.
UM, WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THE, THE MILLS AND THE, THE AREA THERE, YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE A LITTLE BIT OF REDEVELOPMENT, UM, WITH THE APARTMENTS, UM, WITH LAVIA, UM, ALONG WATER STREET.
THERE'S EVEN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN THE BOULEVARD, SO THERE IS SOME INTEREST.
UM, BUT THAT SAID, JUST BASED ON THIS CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE HEARING WHAT WE HEARD WITH COUNCIL, UM, THERE IS THIS, UH, DESIRE TO PRESERVE THE HISTORY, BUT THEN ALSO BALANCING THAT WITH, YEAH, IN 10 YEARS, 15, 20 YEARS, UM, WHAT IS THE VIABILITY? WHAT CAN WE DO WITH THIS PROCESS TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S, UM, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S ECONOMICALLY VIABLE AS ONE COMMISSIONER POINTED OUT.
UM, BUT IT ULTIMATELY, IT'S SOMETHING THAT OUR COMMUNITY WANTS.
UM, AND SO, UH, I APOLOGIZE BECAUSE I MISSED THE FEW MINUTES IN THE, IN THE FRONT END, I HEAR A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, THE LENGTH OF OR EXTENDING THE, THE TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO CONTINUE TO REVIEW THIS.
UM, THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD ABSOLUTELY, UM, CONSIDER.
UM, BUT WE ALSO HAVE A LOT PLANNED AND WE'RE JUST PUTTING STUFF UP, WHETHER IT'S PROMOTING, UH, THE TWO OPEN HOUSES THAT WE'RE MENTIONED, UH, WE'VE BEEN DOING POPUPS FOR THE PAST.
UM, WE KICKED THAT OFF TWO WEEKS AGO, AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO, TO DO THAT ALL THROUGHOUT THE, THE CITY.
THERE'S FOCUSED, UM, FOCUS GROUPS, UM, WITH SOME OF OUR EQUITY PRIORITY AREAS UP AND DOWN, MCDOWELL IN PARTICULAR.
UM, SO THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS A SLIDE THAT COVERED ALL THAT IN THE, IN THE BEGINNING.
UM, BUT IF THE COMMISSION FEELS LIKE THERE IS SOMETHING THAT'S, THAT IS MISSING OUTSIDE OF JUST, UM, MORE TIME, WHAT, WHATEVER THAT IS, 30 DAYS, 60 DAYS, UM, WE'D WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FILLING THAT TIME WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH, YOU KNOW, WE'LL WANNA MAXIMIZE THAT TIME.
SO, UH, HOPEFULLY THAT HELPS JUST, UM, GIVE YOU A LITTLE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE HAVE IN STORE.
IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE QUITE A MONTH.
UM, WE'RE
UM, WE WE'RE BE, WE'LL BE PUTTING IN SOME BIG HOURS, UM, OVER THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS, UM, WITH SOME NIGHT AND SOME WEEKENDS.
UM, AND SO THAT'S THE OTHER PIECE THAT I'M MINDFUL OF WITH OUR STAFF, WITH OUR TEAM.
UM, BUT WE'LL GET IT RIGHT, UM, BASED ON YOUR, YOUR INPUT.
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CAN I ADD TO THAT? I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE AS, AS YOU KIND OF WENT THROUGH YOUR COMMENTS, UM, BUT I KIND OF WANTED TO JUST ADD ON TO WHAT BRIAN WAS SAYING.YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING A LOT OF THINGS OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, UM, TO ENGAGE WITH THE PUBLIC.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BANNERS UP.
WE, UM, WE'VE GONE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY NEWSLETTER.
WE'VE GOT AN ARGUS INSERT HAPPENING.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE DOING A LOT OF THESE THINGS TO TRY TO ENGAGE.
WE'VE GOT, I THINK I COUNTED 10 POPUPS THAT ARE PLANNED BETWEEN NOW AND THE END OF THE MONTH, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE TRYING TO ALSO POP UP IN THOSE AREAS.
NOT NECESSARILY SAY, WE'LL BE HERE, COME TO US, BUT LET US GO TO WHERE PEOPLE ARE GATHERING.
AND SOME OF THAT HAS BEEN AND IS KIND OF FOCUSED ON TRYING TO ENGAGE WITH PEOPLE THAT HAVEN'T AT OTHER TIMES BEEN ENGAGED IN THE, IN THE PROCESS YET.
WE HAVE OUR TWO COMMUNITY WORKSHOPS THAT ARE PLANNED AND WE'RE DOING TWO OF THEM, SO THAT IF YOU CAN'T COME ON THE SATURDAY, WE HAVE A WEDNESDAY.
IF YOU CAN GET COME ON WEDNESDAY, WE HAVE THE SATURDAY.
UM, AND JUST THE OTHER THING I WANNA POINT OUT IS IT'S, IT'S NOT, UM, IN TERMS OF TALKING ABOUT THE LAND USE, IT'S NOT LIKE END OF SEPTEMBER PENCILS DOWN.
UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE STILL GONNA HAPPEN.
WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA GO, SO WE HAVE A GPAC MEETING NEXT WEEK WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE DOING SOMETHING SIMILAR WHERE WE'RE GETTING THEIR FEEDBACK.
WE, UM, NEXT WEEK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN URBAN CHAT FORUM THAT IS HAPPENING SPECIFICALLY ON LAND USE.
UM, WE'RE GOING TO THE COUNCIL IN OCTOBER, THEN WE'RE COMING BACK TO YOU, THE GPAC AND THE COUNCIL WITH THE LAND USE MAP THAT ACTUALLY TAKES SOME OF THIS FEEDBACK AND PUTS IT ONTO THE MAP AND TAKES THAT OUT.
SO I JUST ALSO WANTED TO, IT'S NOT LIKE THE END OF SEPTEMBER COMES AND IT'S OVER.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS HAPPENING.
WE'VE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT SOME OF OUR OUTREACH, UM, TO, UM, FOCUS GROUPS AND ESPECIALLY LOOKING AT OUR EQUITY PRIORITY AREAS, UM, THAT THAT IS LIKELY GONNA HAPPEN OUTSIDE OF SEPTEMBER BECAUSE IT TAKES A LITTLE MORE, YOU KNOW, ONE-ON-ONE COORDINATION TO SET THOSE MEETINGS UP AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.
SO I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO GIVE YOU A WHOLE PICTURE OF THE THINGS WE'RE DOING AND THE THINGS WE'RE THINKING ABOUT AND OUR EFFORTS TO ENGAGE BROADLY AND, AND, AND HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
IS THERE A DEADLINE OR, I MEAN, YOU SAID YOU'RE BRINGING IT TO COUNCIL IN OCTOBER.
IS THERE A TIME GIVEN, YOU KNOW, NEEDING TO PUT ELEMENTS TOGETHER AND DRAFT EIRS? WHAT'S YOUR KIND OF HARD STOP ON HOW LONG WE'VE BUDGETED FOR, FOR THIS, JUST SO WE KNOW? WELL, SO ONE OF THE DRIVERS THAT'S HAPPENING, WE HAVE BEEN CONSISTENTLY TRYING TO MOVE TOWARDS THE END OF 2025 FOR ADOPTION OF OUR GENERAL PLAN.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COMES INTO PLAY IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PROCESS.
SO THE EIR, THE EIR IS ABOUT A YEAR LONG PROCESS.
UM, AND THAT DOESN'T KICK OFF UNTIL WE HAVE A MAP.
UM, SO THERE'S CERTAIN BASIC THEY NEED TO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE ANALYZING GENERALLY.
UM, SO THAT, THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT MARKER.
SO EVERY TIME SOMETHING, WE'RE PUSHING SOMETHING OUT, IT'S LIKE A, A ONE-TO-ONE PUSHING OUT ON THE OTHER END.
UM, SO, AND YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE HAVE BEEN COMMITTED, WE HAVE BEEN DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO TRY TO, UM, KEEP WITH THAT, THAT TIMELINE THAT WE HAVE SAID OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN THAT WE ARE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO, UM, THE END OF 2025.
SO THAT'S REALLY, THAT'S WHAT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW AS WE'VE KIND OF GOT IT LAID OUT, WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE TO CITY COUNCIL WITH THAT LAND USE MAP UNTIL DECEMBER.
AND SO IT'S REALLY, WE'RE, WE'RE RIGHT THERE.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT OUR, WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING TOWARDS DOING OUR BEST TO STAY ON THAT TRACK.
NO, I APPRECIATE THAT AND I APPRECIATE YOU LAYING OUT THESE OTHER ELEMENTS.
I AM, Q4 IS ALWAYS A TIME WHERE PEOPLE'S ATTENTION'S DIVIDED ONLY MORE SO IN AN ELECTION YEAR AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT PEOPLE HAVE, UH, SOMETIMES MAKE THEM MORE ENGAGED, BUT ULTIMATELY ALSO DISTRACT, AND YOU'RE ASKING 'EM TO TAKE ON MORE.
UM, SO I GUESS I'LL LEAVE THAT TO THE DISCRETION OF STAFF AND ULTIMATELY COUNSEL ON WHAT THAT TIMELINE LOOKS LIKE.
AND I GUESS THAT'S KIND OF FOR FUTURE DELIBERATIONS AND FEEDBACK, UM, JUST TO, AND, AND I HATE TO TAKE US OFF THAT BROAD, WHAT I THINK IS THE MOST IMPORTANT POINT.
SO THANK YOU, BRIAN, FOR, FOR ADDRESSING THAT.
AND I LOVE TO HEAR ABOUT THE BANNERS.
I THINK I'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT A COUPLE TIMES.
UM, BUT I WANTED TO ADDRESS WITH THE MILLS THE FACT THAT
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WE'RE CHANGING THE GENERAL PLAN LAND USE.UM, LET'S SAY IF THERE'S A MIDDLE GROUND WHERE FLEX EXISTS, BUT WE DON'T CHANGE IT NOW, UM, AND THAT EXISTS FOR FUTURE CHANGE, WHAT IS THAT ONUS ON A PROPERTY OWNER TO MAKE THAT CHANGE? I KNOW WE'RE LIMITED IN THE NUMBER OF GENERAL PLAN CHANGES WE CAN DO, BUT IF THEY, IF IT EXISTED, WE DON'T CHANGE THE GENERAL PLAN LAND USE NOW, BUT THEY WANT TO CONSOLIDATE AND HAVE A PROJECT THAT FUNDS THAT, WHAT DOES THAT ADD TO THEIR PROJECT TO MAKE THAT CHANGE? UM, UNCERTAINTY, BASICALLY.
UM, IT, THAT'S CERTAINLY AN OPTION.
WE COULD LAY OUT A DESIGNATION THAT WE CHOOSE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, USE LATER.
THEY WOULD BE GOING THROUGH A GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT AND THE CITY CAN DO UP TO FOUR A YEAR.
SO IT'S NOT SO MUCH THAT PROCESS, IT'S MORE JUST FROM THEIR STANDPOINT.
IF THEY'RE, UM, GOING OUT AND LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, AN INVESTOR OR SOMEONE IN THE PROPERTY, THEY HAVE TO SAY, WE DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN GET THIS LARGER DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THERE'S UNCERTAINTY IN THAT GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT.
FOR US TO DO IT BEFOREHAND GIVES THEM THAT ASSURANCE THAT, THAT THEY, THEY CAN THEN KIND OF GO OUT AND SHOP THEIR, THEIR LAND KNOWING THAT THE HIGHER INTENSITY PROJECT IS, IS FEASIBLE.
SO IT CERTAINLY JUST, IT HELPS THEM IN, IN, IN SORT OF MOVING FORWARD WITH THE, WITH A DIFFERENT VISION.
AND I'M ALMOST DONE HERE THEN.
WHEN IT COMES TO, UM, ACTUALLY PUTTING THIS IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC, FOR THE PUBLIC TO DECIDE ON THIS, IS THERE ANY WAY TO ELEVATE IT? WOULD YOU NEED TO GO BACK ON THOSE LAND USE ALTERNATIVES TO TALK ABOUT THIS AND GET A PUBLIC READ? 'CAUSE ULTIMATELY THE ALTERNATIVES WE'RE ANALYZING AREN'T REALLY OUR DECISION.
IT'S KIND OF THE PUBLIC EXERCISE NOW.
UM, IS THE ONLY WAY TO ELEVATE THIS, TO PUT IT BACK ON THAT LAND USE ALTERNATIVES, IS THERE ANOTHER WAY TO HIGHLIGHT THAT IN OUTREACH TO THE PUBLIC TO GET MORE FEEDBACK THAN JUST OURS? YEAH, I THINK WE WOULD SORT OF RAISE IT UP TO THE LEVEL OF THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE QUESTIONS IF WE FEEL LIKE THAT THAT'S WHAT'S NEEDED, UM, TO, TO JOIN SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS OF CHANGE BACK WITH THE PUBLIC.
WELL, AND, AND OUR, RON CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IN OUR COMMUNITY WORKSHOP, ONE OF THE BIG THINGS WE'RE GONNA BE DOING IS TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THESE DIFFERENT AREAS OF CHANGE AND SOME OF THE DIFFERENT, UH, ALTERNATIVES THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING, UM, AND WITH, WITH MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AND IN THOSE COMMUNITY WORKSHOPS.
HOWEVER WE ARE WITH THIS PARTICULAR FLEX DESIGNATION AND THESE TWO SITES IN PARTICULAR, WE'RE, WE'RE WITH THE F WE'RE TRYING TO KIND OF STRIKE A MIDDLE GROUND.
WE'RE NOT ON A TRACK TO EXPLICITLY SUBMIT.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT SUGGESTING WE'RE OFFERING AS AN OPTION THE CHANGE TO FLEX AT THIS POINT WITH POLICY 10.2, WE'RE MAKING IT CLEAR THAT THAT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE CHANGE.
SO IT'S SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN
WELL, AND THEN I GUESS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS, TAKING A STRAW POLL FROM FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, 'CAUSE WE, I'VE HARPED ON IT LONG ENOUGH.
DO PEOPLE SUPPORT MAKING, HAVING IT IN THERE TO MAKE THE GENERAL PLAN LAND USE CHANGE TO FLEX FOR THESE GRAIN MILLS? JUST I GUESS, SHOW OF HANDS, BEFORE I SPEND ANY MORE OF OUR TIME EX EXPLAIN WHAT YOU MEAN.
I JUST MEAN DO YOU SUPPORT US ADDING A GENERAL PLAN, LAND USE DESIGNATION CALLED FLEX THAT APPLIES TO THESE TWO MILL PROPERTIES THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR POTENTIAL REDEVELOPMENT, MOST SPECIFICALLY TO MIXED USE IN RESIDENTIAL CASES, WHICH I THINK WOULD, WOULD DRIVE CHANGE.
DO YOU, I JUST WANNA KNOW IF PEOPLE SUPPORT THAT OR NOT BEFORE I ASK FOR MORE MIDDLE GROUND OPTIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO JUST CALLING FOR A STRAW POLL ON SUPPORT OF THE, JUST SUPPORT OF THE CURRENT FLEX DESIGNATION.
AND, AND THAT 10 DASH FLEX AS DESCRIBED AND LIKE RECOMMENDING THAT, THAT WOULD BE OUR PREFERRED CHANGE.
RATHER THAN FINDING SOMETHING ELSE.
I THINK THAT'S PRETTY CLEAR FROM PLANNING, BUT I, I WOULD JUST PUT THE NOTE IN THERE THAT IF WE CAN ELEVATE IT FOR PUBLIC DISCUSSION, FEELS LIKE WE'RE GOING BACKWARDS.
'CAUSE COUNCIL STRUCK THAT DOWN.
BUT IF WE CAN PUT IT BACK TO PUBLIC DISCUSSION, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT TO AT LEAST ADD THAT FEEDBACK TO IT AS WELL.
'CAUSE IT'S SUCH A BIG CHARACTER PIECE, AN ECONOMIC PIECE OF THE TOWN CHAIR.
CAN I, OH, CAN I JUST SAY SOMETHING IF THAT'S OKAY? LET'S, LET'S GET PEOPLE CALLED ON.
THEN, UH, NICOLA, YOU HAD A COMMENT? NO, I JUST ASKED, COULD YOU GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE YOU HAD JUST THERE? OH YEAH, YEAH.
WHAT I WAS PUTTING ON THE SCREEN, WHICH I'LL DO IT AGAIN, IS JUST THE DEFINITION WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK.
AND THIS IS, THIS IS HOW WE'VE KIND OF TRIED TO STRIKE THIS MIDDLE GROUND.
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ON THE ONE HAND CREATING A NEW DESIGNATION CALLED FLEX AND THAT IT'S REALLY DONE IN REFERENCE TO THIS.I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT WAS SPECIFICALLY ONLY DESIGNATED TO THOSE LOCATIONS AND WHY IT JUST DIDN'T BE A FLEX ANY PLACE THAT HAS THAT CONFIGURATION OF ACRES AND IS LOOKING TO PUT UNITS IN.
SO IT'S, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY INTENDED TO ONLY EVER BE USED FOR THOSE TWO, TWO PARTICULAR SITES.
BUT WHEN WE CONS, WHEN WE ASKED OURSELVES WHAT WOULD BE A POTENTIALLY APPROPRIATE MIX OF USES FOR THESE SITES, WERE THEY TO BE ADAPTIVELY REUSED, WE COULDN'T FIND WITHIN THE EXISTING DESIGNATIONS THE RIGHT FIT.
AND SO WE SAID, OKAY, WELL THEN LET'S CONSIDER THIS FLEX DESIGNATION.
UM, WE THINK IT WOULD BE THE, AN APPROPRIATE DESIGNATION IN THESE CASES, BUT IT COULD BE APPLIED TO OTHER SITES AS WELL IN THE FUTURE.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY, IT SOUNDS LIKE SORT OF AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION THAT YOU HAD ABOUT, WELL, WHY NOT JUST CREATE THE DESIGNATION BUT NOT NECESSARILY APPLY IT TO THESE SITES? I THINK REALLY RESONATES WITH ME THAT IT DOES ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE PREDICTABILITY TO THOSE SITES, BUT IF IT IS CREATED, THEN IT IS APPLICABLE IN THE MENU OF OPTIONS THAT SOMEONE MIGHT PURSUE IN A GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT.
SHOULD THERE BE A DIFFERENT SITE THAT ISN'T ALREADY MADE FLEX THAT SOMEONE FEELS WOULD APPROPRIATELY BE MADE FLEX? THEY COULD, THEY COULD PETITION FOR THAT.
I'M, I'M GONNA GO TO COMMISSIONER NEWELL, NOT TO SORT OF JUST KEEP THIS CONVERSATION GOING ON THIS POINT.
I REALLY LIKE THE WAY THAT THE FRAMEWORK DESCRIBES THIS FLEXIBILITY FOR THAT AREA AND IT'S THE, THE WAY THAT IT'S DESIGNED AND, AND LEAVES IT OPEN.
I'M NOT SURE WE NEED TO GIVE IT A NEW LIKE LAND USE DESIGNATION MM-HMM.
LIKE JUST THE WAY IT'S DOING IT RIGHT NOW, I THINK CAPTURES WHAT MM-HMM,
I'M NOT SURE I FOLLOW WHETHER THAT IS PRO A FLEX DESIGNATION OR ANTI, IF A FLEX DESIGNATION MEANS SOME KIND OF AMENDMENT TO THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN.
I LIKE THE WAY THAT IT'S WRITTEN RIGHT NOW.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT FLEX DESIGNATION IS IN THE CURRENT FRAMEWORK, BUT THERE WOULD BEEN SOME CONVERSATION AT COUNCIL TO STRIKE IT.
UH, YEAH, FOR A LITTLE BACKGROUND, THIS CONVERSATION PROBABLY STARTED BACK INITIALLY WITH STAFF AND THEN WE BROUGHT IT TO GPAC.
AND, AND AS YOU MAY RECALL, WHEN WE WERE HERE IN APRIL, WE WERE ASKING BOTH ABOUT ARE THESE THE RIGHT AREAS TO CONSIDER LAND USE CHANGE? AND THEN GENERALLY DO WE HAVE THE RIGHT, UM, OPTIONS FOR CHANGE? AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE HAD SPECIFICALLY IS, SHOULD WE, SHOULD WE EVEN ASK ABOUT THESE RIVER DEPENDENT INDUSTRIAL USES? AND AT THE GPAC, AND AS I RECALL IT, PLANNING COMMISSION REALLY MIXED, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SPLIT.
AND SO WE BROUGHT IT TO COUNCIL AND THEY, THEY WERE LESS SPLIT, THEY WERE PRETTY CLEAR.
WE, WE DO NOT WANT TO CONSIDER CHANGES TO THESE AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S RELATIVE CONSENSUS AMONG PLANNING COMMISSION THAT HAVING A FLEX DESIGNATION IS A GOOD IDEA AND APPLYING IT TO THOSE HISTORICAL AGRICULTURAL, UH, PARCELS WE WOULD SUPPORT
UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT MORE INPUT TO COME, UH, COMMISSIONER HOOPER.
YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY, I, I UNDERSTAND, UM, APPRECIATING THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN AND I UNDERSTAND THIS KIND OF LIKE MIDDLE GROUND THAT YOU'VE DESCRIBED BETWEEN DOING SOMETHING AND NOTHING, ESPECIALLY WITH REFERENCE TO, UH, THE COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS.
BUT HAVING SPENT THE LAST FOUR PLUS YEARS WORKING WITH PROJECTS ON OUR LAST GENERAL PLAN AND SEEING HOW FLEX ESSENTIALLY HAS FUNCTIONALLY HAPPENED BECAUSE A LACK OF CLARIFICATION IS VERY MUCH STRONGLY URGED THAT WE HAVE THAT AS A CLEAR DESIGNATIONS THAT WE CAN APPLY EASY TO TRACK AND EASILY TO FOLLOW RULES TO IT BECAUSE WE HAVE, WE'VE HAD FRANKLY TOO MANY PROJECTS COME FORWARD WHERE IT'S ESSENTIALLY A FLEX DEFINITION BECAUSE THERE WASN'T A DEFINITION TO THE SITE OR THERE WAS SOME KIND OF HANDSHAKE AGREEMENT IN THE EIGHTIES OR THE NINETIES OR THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS.
CAN CHAIR, CAN I ASK JUST A CLARIFICATION TO RON, ACTUALLY, THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
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THAT, UH, RECOGNIZES THE IMPORTANCE OF MAINTAINING, UH, LANDMARKS AND ASPECTS OF PETALUMA'S AGRICULTURAL HERITAGE.AND THEN THERE'S AN ACTION 10.1 0.1 THAT SAYS TO REINFORCE, REINFORCE THE INDUSTRIAL CHARACTER OF THE CITY BY ADAPTABLY PRESERVING AND REUTILIZING INDUSTRIAL LANDMARKS SUCH AS, AND IT NAMES DAIRYMAN'S FEED, HUNT AND BARONS, WHICH ARE THE TWO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO THAT'S ACKNOWLEDGING EXACTLY WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF THEY'RE REALLY IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY.
UM, THEY'RE REALLY IMPORTANT TO OUR AGRICULTURAL ECONOMY.
UM, AND, AND THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO OUR COMMUNITY.
SO IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT THE, WHAT THEY DO WITH THE AG HISTORY, THEY'RE ALSO IMPORTANT WHEN YOU LOOK, WHEN YOU'RE STANDING IN DOWNTOWN PETALUMA AND YOU LOOK, THERE'S A PIECE OF IT THAT'S A LANDMARK VISUALLY, BUT WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO POLICY LU 10.2, AND THEN THIS IS WHERE I'M LOOKING FOR CLARIFICATION ON THE INTENT, RON.
THE POLICY SAYS SUPPORT THE CONTINUATION OF RIVER DEPENDENT LAND USES TO MAINTAIN THE RIVER AS A WORKING RIVERFRONT, BUT PROVIDE FLEXIBILITY AS MARKETS CHANGE.
AND IT SAYS, CONSIDER CHANGING THE DESIGNATION OF SITES CURRENTLY DESIGNATED HISTORIC AGRICULTURAL SUPPORT TO ALLOW GREATER LAND USE FLEXIBILITY INCLUDING MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
SO THAT'S POLICY LANGUAGE THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY SHOWING UP ON A LAND USE MAP PER SE.
SO THERE IS NOTHING IN THIS THAT IS ACTUALLY SAYING AS PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN, LAND USE MAP CHANGED THE DESIGNATION OF THESE TWO SITES.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
SO I'M JUST FLEX EXISTS, BUT WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY CHANGING THAT.
IT'S ACKNOWLEDGING THAT'S IMPORTANT.
THESE ARE REALLY IMPORTANT TO US.
WE WANT 'EM TO STAY THE WAY THEY ARE AND WE ALL RECOGNIZE THAT WE'RE NOT SURE WHAT'S GONNA CHANGE, HOW THINGS ARE GONNA CHANGE AND WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE THAT WE MAY NEED TO HAVE FLEXIBILITY IN THE FUTURE TO CONSIDER CHANGING 'EM.
BUT IT'S NOT, ACTUALLY, THERE'S NOTHING IN HERE AND I'M MAKING SURE I'M CORRECT, BUT THERE'S NOTHING IN HERE THAT IS SAYING CHANGE THESE ON THE LAND USE MAP.
THAT'S NOT WHAT THESE POLICIES ARE PROPOSING.
AND AND TO FURTHER ELABORATE, THE INTENT HERE IS GETTING BACK TO TROY'S ORIGINAL POINT, IS, UM, IS TO TRY TO REDUCE SOME OF THE UNCERTAINTY THAT SOMEONE INTERESTED IN DOING SOMETHING CREATIVE WITH THE SITES THAT WOULD PRESERVE THE CHARACTER OF THE SITES WOULD HAVE TO FACE IF THEY DID WANNA PURSUE A CHANGE.
THE IDEA IS THEY COULD LOOK TO POLICY 10 POINT TO POLICY 10.2 AND SAY, HEY, CITY COUNCIL, THIS EXPLICITLY SAYS WHAT I'M PROPOSING NOW IS DESIRED AND THAT YOU SHOULD SUPPORT IT.
AND SO THAT IT, IT IT FACILITATES THAT FUTURE GENERAL PLAN, LAND USE, DESIGNATION CHANGE.
THANK YOU BOTH FOR REALLY WALKING THROUGH THAT.
THAT WAS THE SCENARIO THAT I HOPED WAS IN THERE AND IT SOUNDS LIKE IT IS.
I COULD JUST ASK COMMISSIONER NEWELL, IS THAT YOUR, IS THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF HOW IT'S WRITTEN? IS THAT HOW OKAY,
I, I THOUGHT HEATHER REALLY EXPLAINED IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN I DID, BUT, UM, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M THINKING IS THAT I LOVE THE WAY THAT IT'S WRITTEN, ESPECIALLY THE SEQUENCING OF THE POLICIES IN THAT, IN THAT I FELT LIKE THERE WAS A COUPLE DIFFERENT JUMPING INTERPRETATIONS GOING ON AND WANTING TO MAKE SURE WE WERE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
UM, I'LL JUST MAKE A QUICK COMMENT BACK IN 30 MINUTES UP TO SAY
UM, AND APPRECIATE THE ARROW GRAPHIC THAT, UM, YOU BROUGHT UP.
I I, IN TERMS OF THE WINDOW OF FEEDBACK WE HAVE HERE AS A COMMISSION AS WELL FOR THE PUBLIC, IT, IT, IT IS STRIKING ME THAT WE ARE ACCUSTOMED TO GETTING THESE FRAMEWORKS SORT OF LIKE THIRD OR FOURTH.
AND THIS ONE WE'RE GETTING KIND OF FIRST OR SECOND.
UM, SO WE ARE ON THE, ON THE EARLY END OF THIS REVIEW PERIOD.
BUT IT DOES LOOK TO ME LIKE WE'VE GOT AVAILABILITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO CHIME IN SORT OF POTENTIALLY INTO NOVEMBER IT SOUNDS LIKE.
SO SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER, NOVEMBER DOES SOUND A LOT MORE COMFORTABLE TO ME THAN JUST NOVEMBER.
AND GREAT TO HEAR THAT THERE'S A VARIETY OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT POPUPS WORKSHOPS, UM, AND MEETINGS
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THAT WILL SURFACE THIS TO FOLKS THAT ARE ALREADY ENGAGED AND HOPEFULLY GET SOME MORE FOLKS IN THE FOLD AS WELL IN THAT, IN THAT VEIN.UM, WANNA REITERATE THAT WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE WRITTEN COMMENTS WE'VE RECEIVED SO FAR, PARTICULARLY WHEN THEY DETAILED OUT WHAT THEY THOUGHT WERE THE APPROPRIATE OPTIONS OR ALTERNATIVES, UM, THAT WERE OFFERED.
AND, AND WHAT I, WHAT WE'D REALLY APPRECIATE IS GETTING SIMILAR INPUT FROM EACH OF THE COMMISSIONERS.
UM, AND SO FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE YET TO PROVIDE THAT LEVEL OF DETAILED AREA BY AREA, UM, FEEDBACK, WE VERY MUCH HOPE THAT YOU TAKE THE TIME TO DO THAT.
UM, WHETHER IT'S TONIGHT VERBALLY OR AT SOME POINT IN THE NEAR FUTURE IN WRITING, BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY, I MEAN WE PRESENT THESE REALLY AS OPTIONS.
WE'RE NOT REALLY, IT'S NOT CLEAR TO US WHAT THE APPROPRIATE CHOICES WOULD BE.
AND SO WE'RE VERY, VERY ANXIOUS TO GET A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE'S FEEDBACK ON THOSE.
PARTICULARLY THOSE LIKE THE, LIKE YOU WHO SIT IN THESE CHAIRS WHERE YOU'RE FACED ON A REGULAR BASIS WITH PROPOSALS CONSISTENT WITH EXISTING GENERAL PLAN LAND USE DESIGNATIONS.
UM, AND, AND SO YOU'RE REALLY WHERE THE RUBBER HITS THE ROAD.
AND SO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW CRITICAL IS THAT THESE BE, RIGHT.
UM, TO, AS A, AS A MEANS TO GUIDE ACTUAL FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND AND CONSTRUCTION.
SO, SO WE REALLY ARE, WE REALLY WOULD VERY MUCH APPRECIATE IT IF YOU COULD TAKE THE TIME TO PROVIDE THAT AREA BY AREA, UM, KIND OF VOTE OR PREFERENCE FOR WHICH OF THOSE OPTIONS YOU THINK IS MOST APPROPRIATE.
AND JUST TO UNDERSCORE THAT REQUEST, THAT'S PAGES 38 TO 56 THAT WAS, UH, CALLED OUT IN THE COMMISSION REPORT, THE AREA SPECIFIC ALTERNATIVES FOR CHANGE, WEIGHING IN ON YOUR PREFERENCES ACROSS PAGES 38 TO 56.
BY DEADLINE, UH, REFERENCING THE ARROW, UM, BEFORE THE END OF THE MONTH BECAUSE WHAT WE, THE TASK WE HAVE ONCE WE'VE, UH, COMPLETED THAT PUBLIC REVIEW PERIOD IS TO TAKE ALL OF THAT INPUT AND BEGIN DISCUSSING WITH STAFF WHAT IT MEANS FOR WHAT LAND USE MAP WE MIGHT RECOMMEND TO YOU AND THEN TO CITY COUNCIL FOR ADOPTION AS THE LAND USE MAP IN THE UPDATED GENERAL PLAN.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE SO INTERESTED IN THE FEEDBACK.
'CAUSE WE, WE, WE DON'T WANNA BE ALONE IN OUR DELIBERATIONS ABOUT WHICH OPTIONS TO PUT FORWARD AS RECOMMENDED LAND USE CHANGES.
WE'D REALLY LIKE A VARIETY AND DIVERSITY OF PERSPECTIVES AND INPUT ON THESE QUESTIONS.
THEN WE'VE ALL GOT A FEW WEEKS TO DIG IN ON PAGES 38 TO 56 ON YOUR SPECIFIC ALTERNATIVE PREFERENCES.
AND I AM WONDERING IF ANYONE HAS SEEN, I HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET, BUT I BELIEVE A BIG BANNER WENT UP OVER KENTUCKY.
I KNOW THERE'S A BANNER OUT FRONT.
YEAH, THERE'S A BANNER OUT FRONT.
THERE'S A BANNER IN FRONT OF THE COMMUNITY CENTER.
UM, BUT THERE WAS ALSO SUPPOSED TO BE A BANNER WENT, WENT OVER KENTUCKY.
I HAVE ONE TINY QUESTION THAT REALLY DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS EXCEPT THERE WAS SOMETHING I SAW IN THERE THAT I'M QUESTIONING.
UM, THERE'S A, A CHART THAT DESCRIBES THE CURRENT, UM, ZONING AND THEN THE CHANGES TO ZONING.
UM, AND THE VERY LAST COMPONENT OF THAT WAS HEIGHT, UM, AND STORY DESIGNATIONS FOR MOBILE HOMES.
AND I'D LIKE TO GET TO THAT AT SOME POINT BECAUSE, UM, AND THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BLAND USE AT THIS MOMENT, BUT IT, IT'S HAPPENING IS THAT IT SAYS THERE'S ONE STORY AS A DESIGNATION FOR MOBILE HOMES AND WE HAVE BEEN THREATENED WITH EIGHT MOBILE HOMES GOING INTO OUR MOBILE HOME PARK THAT ARE TWO STORIES.
AND I'D LIKE TO, I'M LOOKING STRAIGHT RIGHT AT YOU, BRIAN.
IS IS THE TABLE YOU WERE REFERRING TO ON THE SCREEN HERE? YEAH, RIGHT THERE WHERE IT SAYS MOBILE HOMES.
MOBILE HOMES AND THEN STORIES ONE.
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I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THAT'S LOCATED.IT IS, IT SAYS CURRENT ZONING.
MH BUT I COULDN'T FIND IT ANYWHERE.
THIS IS THE GENERAL PLAN LAND USE DESIGNATION, NOT THE ZONING SPECIFICALLY.
THIS IS THE GENERAL PLAN LAND USE DESIGNATION, NOT THE ZONING.
I'M DOES MAYBE, YOU KNOW, HEATHER, WHAT THE CORRESPONDING ZONING IS.
HAPPY TO TALK WITH YOU ABOUT THAT OFF THE, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR EXISTING WHAT WE HAVE UNDER THE EXISTING.
YEAH, YEAH, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA THREATEN TWO STORY.
I'M HAPPY TO FIND EXCERPTS IN OUR EXISTING CODE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THERE IS IN THE EXISTING CODE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
OH, YOU MUST HAVE FOUND, I'M SORRY, I I'M THINKING YOU FOUND SOMETHING SOMEWHERE THAT TELLS YOU THIS.
'CAUSE THAT'S ALL PROPOSED NEW, RIGHT? ISN'T THAT ALL IN RED? NO, IT'S NOT IN RED.
NOW THIS IS, THIS IS PROPOSING NO CHANGE TO THE MOBILE HOMES DESIGNATION'S NO CHANGE.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE HEIGHT DESIGNATED IN THE LAND USE DESIGNATION, BUT WE CAN LOOK, I'M HAPPY TO LOOK AT THAT WITH YOU OFFLINE.
JUST A, A QUESTION OF WHAT'S WRONG WITH TWO STORY MOBILE HOMES? I'M NOT SURE, UH, WHAT'S WRONG WITH TWO STORY MOBILE HOMES? I MEAN, THERE ARE MANY TWO STORY MOBILE HOMES IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, USUALLY WITH WATER VIEWS OR SOME AMENITY, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT BAD LOOKING.
I HEAR THERE ARE MANY TWO STORY, UH, MOBILE HOME PROJECTS IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, USUALLY ON WATER VIEWS.
BUT THERE'S A REASON FOR, YOU KNOW, BUT THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT UNATTRACTIVE.
THEY'RE KIND OF AN INTERESTING SCALE.
I I'M NOT, I'M NOT PLANNING ON THEM BEING UNATTRACTIVE OR I'VE LOOKED AT THE, THE PLANS AND THAT SORT OF THING.
I'M WORRIED THAT WE'RE BEING USED THAT AS A THREAT AGAINST US.
UM, FINAL CALL FOR COMMISSIONER COMMENTS HERE ON OUR LAND USE POLICY FRAMEWORK.
WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE MEETING ITEM THREE AND CONTINUE ON
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TO COMMISSION COMMENT.UM, I'M GONNA START AT THIS END SO THAT BLAKE CAN GET BACK
UH, PBA C WE HAD A MEETING DISCUSSING, UH, DIFFERENT ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION 1 0 1 CO CROSSINGS.
UH, SO THIS IS THE AREA, UH, THE LYNCH CREEK TRAIL CONNE CONNECTING ACROSS MCDOWELL.
THIS IS THE 1 0 1 OVERPASS, PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE OVERPASS BEHIND TARGET.
UH, THIS IS UNDER WHAT IS BEING USED AS AN ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION ROUTE UNDER THE RAINIER OVERPASS.
AND THEN CONNECTING UP WITH THE GREATER FACILITY THERE.
AND THE LAST ONE, I'M BLANKING ON THE NAME FOR IT.
IT'S NEAR THE RIVERFRONT DEVELOPMENT UNDER 1 0 1, UM, NEAR THAT RIVERFRONT DEVELOPMENT.
IS IT ANOTHER PART OF LYNCH CREEK? IT'S ON THE OTHER, UH, CREEK RAINIER AND THEN MCKENZIE, THE, LIKE THE TARGET CATALOG AND THE TARGET ONE.
AND THEN THERE'S ONE MORE, WHICH IS UNDER THE 1 0 1 OVERPASS.
WHEN YOU'RE COMING UP 1 0 1, YOU GET OFF ON PETALUMA BOULEVARD SOUTH, JUST OVER THE RIVER THERE.
THERE'S A CONNECTION AND MY BRAIN IS NOT WORKING, BUT THERE'S A CONNECTION UNDER THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE FILLED IN THAT WE, THEY'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT ON PBA C FOR A LONG TIME.
SO THERE WAS AN ASSESSMENT OF THESE DIFFERENT OPTIONS, THE RELATIVE INVESTMENTS FEASIBILITIES, WHICH ARE STILL GETTING WORKED OUT, UH, BUT A GOOD UPDATE TO GET APPRISED ON ADDRESSING SOME OF THE GAPS ACROSS 1 0 1 IN THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK.
SO THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FREY.
UM, JUST WANTED TO REMIND YOU THAT REBUILDING TOGETHER, PETALUMA AND THE CITY OF PETALUMA ARE DOING A LYNCH CREEK CREEK TRAIL WORKDAY THIS SATURDAY.
UM, AND WE ARE GOING TO BE MEETING AT PAY RAN AND THE LYNCH CREEK TRAIL AND WORKING FROM EIGHT 30 UNTIL TWO O'CLOCK.
WE'RE SERVING BREAKFAST WITH COFFEE AND WE'RE SERVING BURRITOS FOR LUNCH.
SO WE NEED, WE GOT, I THINK THERE'S 65 TO 80 WORKERS ALREADY SIGNED UP, BUT MORE IS ALWAYS WONDERFUL.
UM, THE GAZEBO IS COMPLETE AT THE, AT THE SENIOR CENTER AND THE CELEBRATION IS OCTOBER 23RD WHEN WE'RE CELEBRATING ITS OPENING.
THE UM, SENIOR ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETS THIS THURSDAY AT NINE O'CLOCK.
WE INVITE YOU ALL TO COME AT ANY TIME TO ANY OF OUR MEETINGS.
WE ARE REVIEWING AND UPDATING OUR STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THE YEAR.
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UM, BETWEEN SEPTEMBER 30TH AND OCTOBER 6TH IS ONE WEEK WITHOUT DRIVING.UM, AND THERE IS NOW A ONE WEEK WITHOUT DRIVING SONOMA COUNTY CHALLENGE.
UM, WE ARE CHALLENGING EVERYONE TO GO AS MANY TIMES AS YOU CAN DURING A THAT WEEK WITHOUT USING YOUR CAR.
IF YOU ARE A FREQUENT USER OF BICYCLES, WE ASK YOU TO GET OFF YOUR BICYCLE AND USE ANOTHER MODE OF TRANSPORTATION.
UM, THERE IS WALKING, THERE IS, UM, THE BUS SYSTEM, UM, THE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM AND ANY OTHER VARIETY OF WAYS.
BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO BORROW MY MOTORIZED WHEEL CHAIR AND SEE HOW CONDUCIVE IT IS TO TRY TO GET AROUND THIS TOWN THAT WAY, UM, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO BORROW IT.
UM, AND SO WE ARE ENCOURAGING TO DO THAT WITH THE CITY COUNCIL.
I ENCOURAGE THEM TO TAKE ONE DAY, ONE TRIP, PLEASE JUST TAKE ONE TRIP WITH THAT YOU ALREADY PLANNED, BUT DO IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY OF, OF MODE OF TRANSPORTATION.
UM, THIS CAME FROM A BOOK CALLED WHEN DRIVING IS NOT AN OPTION, UM, WHICH IS AN EXCELLENT BOOK TO READ ABOUT FOR PEOPLE WHO CANNOT AFFORD OR CAN OR DO NOT HAVE A CAR.
UM, AND IT'S A THIRD OF THE POPULATION THAT DOES NOT USE A CAR.
THOSE ARE PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES, YOUNG PEOPLE, SENIORS, PEOPLE WHO CAN'T AFFORD A CAR BECAUSE OR GAS FOR A CAR AND THEIR WORLD IS DIFFERENT THAN YOUR WORLD IS.
ANY COMMISSIONER COMMENT? OH, MINE HAVE ALREADY BEEN COVERED.
UM, WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, THE WEEK, THE OF NO DRIVING.
AND SO THAT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY.
AND THEY ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT CALTRANS WILL PROBABLY NOT BE BUILDING ANY MORE INTERCHANGE CROSSTOWN CONNECTORS.
THEY'RE JUST NOT GOING IN THAT DIRECTION ANYMORE.
AND SO IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A TOPIC THAT CAN BE JUST TAKEN OFF THE TABLE.
'CAUSE THERE'S, IF THERE'S NO FUNDING, WHY ARE WE EVEN TALKING ABOUT IT? AND SO, UM, OTHERWISE THAT'S IT.
I I'M REALLY BUMMED BECAUSE I REALLY WANTED TO BE HOME TONIGHT,
SO NOW I HAVE TO GO HOME AND WATCH WHAT'S I WANTED TO WATCH.
THERE'S PLENTY OF, PLENTY OF REPLAYS ON YOUTUBE, UM, FOR YOU TO CHECK IT OUT IN FALL.
UM, I'LL, I'LL JUST, 'CAUSE I WAS THERE TO SPEAK BRIEFLY ABOUT THE, UH, CITY COUNCIL MEETING LAST NIGHT IN WHICH THERE WAS A CALL TO POTENTIALLY RECONSIDER THE DOUBLE YELLOW LINES ON D STREET AND ESSENTIALLY ABANDON THAT ROAD DIET PILOT.
UM, THAT WAS NOT MOVED FORWARD.
SO, UH, IT, IT STANDS AS IS AND THERE WAS ALSO A, A ALLOCATION FOR A MINI STREET SWEEPER TO CLEAN THE BIKE LANES AND TRAILS, WHICH I'M REALLY PSYCHED ABOUT.
AND I THINK THERE MIGHT BE A NAMING COMPETITION.
SO GET YOUR, UH, GET YOUR COMEDIC BRAINS WORKING ON THAT.
UM, AND I THINK THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT FOR COMMISSION COMMENT ONTO
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STAFF COMMENT.AND, UM, THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS FOR YOUR SERVICE THIS EVENING.
UM, IF YOU, I I, IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO ATTEND THE FINE BALANCE, UM, ART, UH, UNVEILING OR, OR I GUESS RIBBON CUTTING RATHER WAS WHAT IT WAS.
AND WE'VE GOT ANOTHER RIBBON CUTTING COMING UP ON SEPTEMBER 16TH, AND THAT'S THE RIBBON CUTTING FOR WOVEN STORIES, WHICH IS AN INSTALLATION, UM, AT KEN KENNELWORTH SCHOOL.
AND, UM, THAT, UH, FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, THAT'S A REALLY, REALLY BEAUTIFUL SCULPTURE.
SO IT'S GREAT TO BE OUT THERE AND BE PART OF IT.
I THINK WHAT'S, WHAT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, AND IT, IT CAME OUT IN THE, UM, IN THE FINE BALANCE COMMENTS AS WELL, BUT, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC ART IS REALLY MEANT TO INSPIRE DIALOGUE, RIGHT? AND, AND TO ENGAGE PEOPLE IN CONVERSATION ABOUT IT.
AND SO, UH, I THINK WE'VE GOT SOME REALLY GREAT EXAMPLES FROM, UH, WOVEN STORIES TO THE FAIRGROUNDS MURAL TO, TO OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE WORKS THAT ARE DOING THAT.
SO, UM, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO CHECK OUT SOME OF OUR RECENT PUBLIC ART UNVEILINGS.
UH, WITH REGARD TO THE WORK OF THE COMMISSION.
UM, WE WILL BE MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 24TH.
UH, AND THAT WILL BE REVIEW OF THE DOWNTOWN OVERLAY AND EKN APPALACHIAN HOTEL, UH, DRAFT DIR.
AND THEN ON OCTOBER 8TH, UH, WE'RE TENTATIVELY IZING THE, UH, BLUEPRINT FOR CLIMATE ACTION FOR REVIEW BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND SO WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF, UH, VERY LARGE ITEMS IN THE, UH, COMING UP ON THE NEXT COUPLE OF AGENDAS.
SO, UH, WE'LL CONTINUE TO KEEP YOU ABREAST OF THOSE.
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FOR THOSE WHO TOOK ADVANTAGE OF OF THE MEETINGS WITH, UM, OLIVIA, FOR THE EIRS, I KNOW THAT SHE REALLY ENJOYED HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEND TIME WITH YOU AND, UH, APPRECIATED YOUR QUESTIONS.SO, UH, WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO THAT.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MEET, UH, TO TALK THROUGH HOW TO REVIEW THE, UH, UPCOMING A IR FOR SEPTEMBER 24TH, JUST REACH OUT TO ME AND WE'LL CONNECT YOU WITH OLIVIA AND THE TEAM.
THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT FOR YOU THIS EVENING.
ANY FINAL QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? FINAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? SEEING NONE, WE'RE GONNA ADJOURN AT 10:04 PM I.