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[CALL TO ORDER]
CALL OURSELVES TO ORDER HERE ON OCTOBER 8TH, LITTLE AFTER SIX FOR A JOINT MEETING BETWEEN PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION.[ROLL CALL]
VARIATION ON ROLL CALL, GIVEN THAT WE HAVE SO MANY FOLKS HERE IN CHAMBERS WHO HAVEN'T NECESSARILY WORKED TOGETHER BEFORE.AND WE'RE GOING TO DO ROLL CALL, UH, BY WAY OF ATTENDANCE.
SO, SO WE'LL START AT ONE END, SAY OUR NAMES ACROSS AND VERIFY ROLL CALL, JUST SO WE CAN GET NAMES, UH, IN ONE SWOOP.
I, AMY ASHLEY, CLAIMANT ACTION COMMISSION.
JESSICA MOSES, PLANNING COMMISSION.
DARREN KUSON, PLANNING COMMISSION.
NICOLA FRY PLANNING COMMISSION.
JANICE CATER, THOMPSON, PLANNING, COMMISSIONER
DAN AMP, CLIMATE ACTION ANDM, ADMINISTER CLIMATE ACTION FRIEND OF KRISHNA, UH, CLIMATE ACTION.
ROGER LAN PLANNING COMMISSION.
THANKS FOR ENTERTAINING THAT EVERYBODY.
AND URIEL, IF YOU COULD CONFIRM OUR QUORUM.
WE HAVE QUORUMS, WE HAVE QUORUM FOR BOTH.
THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON ITEMS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THAT ARE WITHIN THE PLANNING COMMISSION SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION, AND THAT ARE NOT LISTED ON THE CURRENT AGENDA.
PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON.
DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF PERSONS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
TIME WILL BE ALLOCATED IN EQUAL SHARES TOTALING NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES.
PLEASE NOTE THAT THOSE, OH NO, WE DON'T NEED THAT LINE ANYMORE.
UM, IF YOU HAVE A GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, DO PLEASE TAKE A BLUE SPEAKER CARD UP TO URIEL.
NOW, NOT SEEING ANYONE SPRINTING TO THE CLERK, DO WE HAVE A GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT SUBMITTED PRE PRIOR TO THE MEETING, WE RECEIVED NO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
AND NO SPEAKER CARDS? CORRECT.
IN THAT CASE, WE WILL CLOSE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AND CONTINUE ON TWO PRESENTATIONS.
AND I'LL NOTE THERE ARE NO PRESENTATIONS FOR TODAY'S MEETINGS, TODAY'S MEETING.
SO WE'LL CLOSE THAT MEETING ITEM RIGHT UP AND GO ON TO APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
UM, AND IN THE INTEREST OF SPARING OUR CLIMATE ACTION COLLEAGUES FROM THIS CONVERSATION, I'M GOING TO MOVE THIS MEETING ITEM ONE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER 24TH TO ITEM TWO ON THE AGENDA.
SO WE'LL DO IT AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT IS MORE OUR, OUR JOINT MATTER HERE TODAY.
SO PUT A PIN AND APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES TILL LATER, WHICH BRINGS
[PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION]
US TO THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MATTER FOR CONSIDERATION, WHICH IS OUR NOW MEETING.ITEM ONE, PUBLIC HEARING, A RECOMMENDATION TO CONDUCT A JOINT PUBLIC HEARING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION TO RECEIVE A STAFF PRESENTATION AND PROJECT INFORMATION, RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENT, AND CONSIDER THE BLUEPRINT FOR CLIMATE ACTION FOR RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR ADOPTION.
THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, THOUGH EX PARTE DISCLOSURES ARE NOT REQUIRED BECAUSE THIS IS A POLICY PROPOSAL AND COMMISSIONERS ARE BEING ASKED TO SERVE IN A QUASI LEGISLATIVE ROLE.
AND THE ACTION IS A RECOMMENDATION AND NOT A DECISION.
ADDITIONALLY, BECAUSE THIS IS A CITYWIDE POLICY ITEM, RECUSAL IS NOT REQUIRED.
SO WE'RE GONNA OPEN UP THIS PUBLIC HEARING AT LONG LAST WITH ALL THAT PREAMBLE, AND I'LL LET YOU KNOW FOLKS, UM, WHO ARE IN THE AUDIENCE, AND TO REITERATE HERE WHAT THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ON THEIR ANNOTATED AGENDA.
WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH A STAFF PRESENTATION, THEN MOVE INTO COMMISSION QUESTIONS.
IT'S GONNA START WITH CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSIONERS AND THEN BE FOLLOWED BY PLANNING COMMISSIONERS.
THEN WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT, THEN ONTO COMMISSION DISCUSSION, WHICH WILL BE JOINT BETWEEN THE TWO BODIES.
AND THEN WE'LL HAVE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION DO SOME FURTHER DISCUSSION AND FINAL FEEDBACK TO MAKE THEIR MOTION FOLLOWED BY PLANNING COMMISSION, DOING SOME FURTHER DISCUSSION AND FINAL MEET FEEDBACK TO MAKE THEIR RESOLUTION.
AND WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT, TURN IT OVER TO STAFF.
UM, NICE TO HAVE YOU ALL HERE.
AND THANK YOU FOR COMING TOGETHER, UM, TO DISCUSS OUR FINAL DRAFT OF OUR BLUEPRINT FOR CLIMATE ACTION.
UM, THIS IS A LONG INCOMING MOMENT, UM, FOR RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL, UM, ON THIS BLUEPRINT.
UM, THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF WORK FROM ALL OF YOU, OUR OTHER CCBS AND THE COMMUNITY ON, UM, DRAFTING THIS, THIS DOCUMENT.
AND WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO BE AT THIS POINT IN THE PROCESS.
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DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT I AM HERE WITH A TEAM, UM, ERIC FROM RAMIAN ASSOCIATES IS HERE.HE SHOULD BE FAMILIAR TO MOST OF YOU BECAUSE HE HAS BEEN, UM, HELPING US THROUGH FROM THE GET GO.
UM, ALSO, PATRICK AND DEB HAVE BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN THIS PROCESS AND GETTING US TO THIS POINT AS WELL.
SO WE WILL BE A TEAM, UM, TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ANY, UM, CLARIFICATIONS WHEN WE MOVE INTO THAT.
BUT I AM HAVE THE, UM, DISTINCT PLEASURE OF, UM, PROVIDING THE PRESENTATION TO YOU THIS EVENING.
SO, AS A REMINDER, UM, WHAT IS THE BLUEPRINT? SO THIS IS THE CITY'S CLIMATE ACTION PLAN.
UM, IT IS OUR, OUR VISION FOR CLIMATE ACTION.
AND IT BUILDS UPON A LOT OF WHAT WE HAVE DONE AS A COMMUNITY.
UM, OUR CITY COUNCIL PRIORITIES, THE, UM, THE EMERGENCY FRAMEWORK, THE WORK WE'RE DOING WITH OUR GENERAL PLAN.
UM, AND, AND IT'S REALLY INCORPORATING ALL OF THAT, UM, COMMITMENT IN PETALUMA AND INCORPORATING NEW WAYS AND PRACTICES TO LOOK AT THAT TO REACH OUR GOAL OF CARBON NEUTRALITY.
SO THIS IS A SHORT RANGE PLAN, 10 YEARS OR LESS.
AND IT'S REALLY, UM, TO GUIDE THE PROGRAM IMPLEMENTATION, UM, TO REDUCE OUR GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS.
UH, THIS WAS ORIGINALLY RELEASED, THIS DOCUMENT WAS INITIALLY RELEASED IN OCTOBER OF 2023.
AND WE HAVE DONE A LOT OF ENGAGEMENT THAT I WILL RUN THROUGH IN A MOMENT, BUT WE HAVE THE REVISED DRAFT BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING, UM, AS WE START ADOPTION HEARINGS.
SO I DO WANNA JUST TAKE A MOMENT TO REMIND EVERYBODY, UM, AND PEOPLE AT HOME.
UM, OUR CLIMATE ACTION PLAN INITIALLY WAS A CLIMATE ACTION AND ADAPTATION PLAN TO ADDRESS NOT ONLY GREENHOUSE GAS, BUT ALSO CLIMATE ADAPTATION.
AND SO WHILE THE BLUEPRINT, UM, IS FOCUSED ON THAT GREENHOUSE GAS MITIGATION, THAT DOES NOT MEAN WE HAVE ABANDONED OUR EFFORT TO ADDRESS CLIMATE ADAPTATION.
THOSE ARE SPECIFICALLY BEING INCORPORATED INTO THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE THAT WE ARE WORKING ON.
AND WE HAVE, UM, BEEN HAVING SEPARATE MEETINGS ABOUT THAT WITH OUR, UM, NEW FLOOD MODELING, UM, OUR, UM, LOCAL HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN.
UM, UM, AND SO THAT WILL BE PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN.
BUT THE GREENHOUSE GAS, UM, REDUCTION IN THE BLUEPRINT IS WHAT WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT.
AS I MENTIONED, UH, WE HAVE DONE A LOT OF ENGAGEMENT, UM, WITH THE BLUEPRINT FROM, FROM INCEPTION, UM, INCLUDING, UH, OUR GHG INVENTORIES, UM, DEVELOPING ACTION PLANS, UM, DRAFTING THE INITIAL DRAFT OF THE BLUEPRINT AND THEN GOING OUT INTO THE PUBLIC TO TALK ABOUT IT, TO RECEIVE FEEDBACK, GOING TO ALL OF OUR, UM, OUR COMMISSIONS, COMMITTEES AND BOARDS TO GET THEIR FEEDBACK ON HOW THIS DOCUMENT TOUCHES THEIR PARTICULAR FOCUS, UM, WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION AND THEIR AD HOC TO INCORPORATE THEIR FEEDBACK.
SO I JUST WANNA KIND OF REMIND ALL OF US, WE'VE BEEN WORKING REALLY HARD ON THIS.
VERY PROUD TO BE WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
UM, THIS IS TOUCHING ON THAT WE GOT OVER A THOUSAND COMMENTS ON THE BLUEPRINT.
UM, SO, UH, THOSE, THOSE HAVE BEEN WHAT WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT AS WE MOVE TO THIS FINAL DRAFT, UM, INCLUDING ONLINE FORMS, UM, AS WELL AS ANOTHER WAY THAT THE PUBLIC, PUBLIC ENGAGED WITH US AND A SPECIAL, UM, SHOUT OUT TO OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS, UM, WHO HELPED GET OUT THE WORD AND, UM, TALK TO PEOPLE AND SOLICIT INPUT, UM, AS PARTNERS IN THE, OUR COMMITMENT TO THIS CLIMATE EFFORT.
SO THE DRAFT BEFORE YOU, UM, HAS A, A NUMBER OF REVISIONS, BUT FALLING INTO SOME GENERAL THEMES.
UM, ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT CHANGES YOU WILL SEE AND WE'LL TOUCH ON, UM, ARE CHANGES TO, UM, THE CORNERSTONE ACTIONS.
SO IN THE DRAFT PREVIOUSLY, THERE WERE 22 CORNERSTONE ACTIONS.
THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION REALLY FOCUSED ON, UM, HAD A LOT OF INPUT ON CHANGING THE, UM, CHANGING, EXPANDING, MODIFYING, UH, THOSE CORNERSTONE ACTIONS AS THOSE INITIAL FOUNDATIONAL THINGS WE COULD DO TO REALLY JUMPSTART A LOT OF THE OTHER, UM, THE OTHER ACTIONS THAT'S IN THE BLUEPRINT.
ANOTHER THING, LITTLE TINY THING THAT HAPPENED WHILE WE WERE, UM, WORKING
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ON THIS WAS, UM, THE NINTH CIRCUIT COURT.UM, UH, THEIR, THEIR DECISION CALLED THE BERKELEY DECISION ABOUT, UH, REQUIRING OR BEING ALLOWED TO REQUIRE ALL ELECTRIC FOR NEW BUILDINGS.
SO THERE ARE SOME MODIFICATIONS IN THE BLUEPRINT REALLY TO, UM, TO ALIGN WITH THAT, UH, CASE LAW, THAT DECISION THAT CAME DOWN REGARDING THAT.
UM, THERE HAS BEEN SOME CHANGES IN ACTION PLANS, STRATEGIES THAT HAVE BEEN UPDATED TO RESPOND TO FEEDBACK, AND ALSO WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THE PARTNERSHIP AND ENGAGEMENT SECTION WAS REALLY, UM, REDISTRIBUTED INTO THE IMPLEMENTATION PLANS ACROSS, ACROSS THE ACTION PLANS.
SO, UM, THOSE ARE STILL THERE.
THEY HAVE NOT DISAPPEARED, BUT THEY'VE JUST BEEN REDISTRIBUTED.
AND THEN FINALLY, UM, MANY OF THE TIMELINES HAVE CHANGED SINCE WE STARTED THIS, BOTH OUT OF, UM, TIME HAS ELAPSED, UM, AND, UM, TRYING TO LOOK, UH, REALISTICALLY, UM, AT, UH, WHAT, WHAT CAN BE ACHIEVED AND, AND WHEN.
UM, AND KNOWING ALSO THAT FLEXIBILITY WITH THOSE TIMELINES, UH, TO ALLOW US TO BE AGILE AND RESPOND TO OPPORTUNITIES THAT COME UP AS THEY COME UP.
AS YOU WILL REMEMBER, UM, ACTION PLANS GO ACROSS SEVEN DIFFERENT TOPICS.
AND THEN UNDERNEATH EACH OF THOSE ARE A NUMBER OF ACTION PLANS.
THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CHANGES, SOME COLLAPSING OF ACTION PLANS, UM, SOME EXPANDING, SOME RENAMING.
SO THERE WERE SOME, UM, CHANGES THAT WERE MADE IN THAT SECTION OF THE BLUEPRINT.
EACH OF THE CORNERSTONE ACTIONS IS ACTUALLY, UM, EMBEDDED INTO THESE ACTION PLANS AS WELL.
SO, UM, YOU'LL SEE THEM BOTH CALL OUT AS CORNERSTONE ACTIONS.
AND, UM, ONE OF THE ACTIONS AND THE ACTIONS PLANS, AS I MENTIONED, CORNERSTONE ACTION PLANS WERE REVISED.
UM, AND NOW WE HAVE 33 OF THEM.
THESE ARE THOSE FOUNDATIONAL ACTIONS THAT SUPPORT, UM, REALLY A LOT OF THE OTHER ACTIONS, THE EDUCATION TO HELP US MOVE TOWARDS DEEP REDUCTIONS IN OUR EMISSIONS.
UM, THERE'S CHANGES, AND WE'LL KIND OF RUN THROUGH THEM AND, AND POINT OUT SOME OF THE CHANGES.
IT INCLUDES NOT ONLY SOME NEW CORNERSTONE ACTIONS, BUT SOME THAT HAVE BEEN PULLED FROM A ACTION PLANS AND ELEVATED OR LIFTED UP INTO CORNERSTONE ACTIONS OR REWORDING.
UM, AND THIS, AND THIS WORK WAS REALLY DONE IN CLOSE COLLABORATION WITH THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION OVER TWO MEETINGS, UM, TO, TO GET THE RIGHT BALANCE OF, OF REWORKING THESE.
SO, UM, STARTING WITH MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS, ONE THING YOU'LL ALSO KNOW TO CHANGE IS, UM, THERE HAVE BEEN THE ADDITION OF STATEMENTS OF INTENTS FOR EACH OF THE TOPICS FOR THE CORNERSTONE ACTIONS TO REALLY JUST TRY TO, UM, CLARIFY WHAT, WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO DO HERE? WHAT'S THE THEME OF, OF THE, UM, THE ACTIONS UNDER MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS, FOR INSTANCE.
UM, MANY OF THESE ARE THE SAME.
UM, MR TWO, UH, AROUND COST BENEFIT AND FUNDING SOURCES, UM, I BELIEVE IS A NEW, UM, A NEW CORNERSTONE ACTION, UM, UNDER MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS, UM, ENGAGEMENT.
UM, A TWO DIFFERENT, UM, CORNERSTONE ACTIONS TO KIND OF HIGHLIGHT HERE.
ONE WAS REALLY TALKING ABOUT PARTNERSHIP WITH STAKEHOLDER GROUPS, UTILITIES, AND OTHER PARTNERS.
AND ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION UNDER THIS, UM, WAS, I'M SEEING ANN LOOK UP THERE AND WONDERING WHY SHE'S NOT LOOKING THERE, BUT IT MUST JUST BE THE ANGLE.
UM, UH, WAS TO CREATE KIND OF A, UM, GRAPHIC, UH, SUMMARY OF THE BLUEPRINT, RECOGNIZING THAT NOT EVERYBODY IS GOING TO PULL OUT THEIR TRUSTEE BLUEPRINT AND, AND, AND READ IT IN DEPTH AND WANTING TO, UM, HIGHLIGHT, MAKE IT EASILY EASY FOR PEOPLE TO ACCESS AND ALSO REALLY CALL OUT, UM, RESOURCES FOR CITIZENS.
WHAT IS, WHAT ARE THE TOP THINGS THAT CITIZENS CAN DO TO COMMIT TO, UM, THESE CLIMATE INITIATIVES IN THIS COMMITMENT TO OUR REDUCE OUR, OUR OUR CARBON EMISSIONS? UM, SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS UNIQUE AND UNDER THIS, AND WE WILL BE WORKING TO, ONCE THIS IS ADOPTED, TO ALSO HAVE, UM, THAT COMMUNITY RESOURCE, UM, AVAILABLE, UH,
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TRANSPORTATION AND LAND USE.UM, THE ONE, UH, I THINK NEW, AND ERIC WILL CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, UH, ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE INFRASTRUCTURE STRATEGY WAS ONE OF THE CHANGES, UM, UNDER THIS TOPIC IN OUR CORNERSTONE ACTIONS, UH, BUILDINGS AND ENERGY.
THERE WAS A LOT OF REWORKING IN THIS SECTION BASED ON THAT, UM, COURT DECISION.
UM, SO ALL OF THESE ARE, WHETHER THEY'RE NEW OR MODIFIED, REWORKED BASED ON, BASED ON THAT NEW INFORMATION, UM, SEQUESTRATION, UM, LOTS OF DISCUSSION WITH THE, UM, CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION ABOUT, UM, CARBON GARDENING CAMPAIGN, UM, INTEGRATED PEST MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR HOAS.
SO SOME OF THESE ARE REALLY TRYING TO UPLIFT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, CAN BE DONE, UM, BY, BY CITIZENS IN, IN COORDINATION WITH, UM, LOCAL PARTNERS.
UM, AND THEN GAS POWERED LAWN AND GARDEN EQUIPMENT PHASE OUT.
THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT CAME UP.
WE HEARD A LOT FROM, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY.
THERE'S A, A SIGNIFICANT EQUITY DISCUSSION WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS.
SO, UM, IT IS, IT IS IDENTIFIED, UM, BUT RECOGNIZES THAT THERE ARE, UM, THOSE EQUITY CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE WILL NEED TO GRAPPLE WITH ON THAT ONE, UH, RESOURCE CONSUMPTION.
I DON'T THINK WE HAD ANY CHANGES IN THE CORNERSTONE ACTIONS.
OH, AND THAT WE'RE THROUGH ALL, ALL SEVEN OF 'EM ALREADY, OR ALL 33 OF 'EM IN, IN THE DIFFERENT, UM, ACTION PLAN TOPICS.
SO, UM, BECAUSE WE'RE NOW HEADING TOWARD, UM, ADOPTION OF THE BLUEPRINT, WE DID DO, UM, ANALYSIS, UH, FOR COMPLIANCE WITH, NOT EQUA, BUT CQA, UM, CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT, UM, DETERMINED THAT ADOPTION OF THE BLUEPRINT WAS CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT UNDER CLASS SEVEN AND CLASS EIGHT, UM, AS THEY RELATE TO PROTECTION AND ENHANCEMENT OF THE NATURAL RESOURCES AND THE ENVIRONMENT.
UM, SO PLANNING COMMISSION, YOU WILL SEE REFERENCE TO THAT IN THE DRAFT RESOLUTION YOU HAVE, UM, IN YOUR PACKET FOR, UM, ADOPTION.
UM, SO IN TERMS OF, UM, LOOKING FORWARD NEXT STEPS, UM, TIMELINE AND IMPLEMENTATION.
SO AS NOTED, THE TIMELINES IN MANY OF THE ACTS ACTIONS AS HAVE SHIFTED.
UH, WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT PRIORITIZATION AND ALLOCATION OF RESOURCES TO MAKE ALL OF THIS HAPPEN IS GOING TO BE, UM, OF CONTINUED IMPORTANCE.
UM, ALSO RECOGNIZING THAT THE FLEXIBILITY TO RESPOND TO OPPORTUNITIES, ESPECIALLY WHEN FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES COME UP FOR US TO MAYBE SHIFT OUR FOCUS TO ONE THING OVER ANOTHER BECAUSE WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET GRANT FUNDS OR TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT MIGHT COME UP.
UM, ALSO WANNA POINT OUT THAT WE CONTINUE TO WORK TO INTEGRATE THE BLUEPRINT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE PROCESS, UM, AND AMENDMENTS TO THE BLUEPRINT OR TO THE TECHNICAL ANALYSIS, UM, ASSOCIATED WITH THE BLUEPRINT ARE ANTICIPATED, UM, WITH THE, UM, ADOPTION OF THE GENERAL PLAN.
BECAUSE AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT, AS WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, A NEW LAND USE, UM, PATTERN AND STUDIES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, WE WILL BE LOOKING TO UPDATE STUDIES ASSOCIATED WITH THE BLUEPRINT FOR DISCUSSION TONIGHT.
UM, THE CHAIR REALLY TOUCHED ON THIS, UM, LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK FROM BOTH COMMISSIONS.
WE'VE DONE A LOT OF DISCUSSION.
WE'RE NOT ANTICIPATING SIGNIFICANT REWORKINGS OF THIS DOCUMENT, BUT IF THERE ARE FEEDBACK ITEMS THAT EITHER OR BOTH COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO FORWARD WITH ANY RECOMMENDATION, UM, TO THE CITY COUNCIL, WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR THOSE CONSENSUS COMMENTS AS EITHER, AS PART OF EITHER OF THE COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, TONIGHT, UM, WHETHER IT BE FOCUSED ON CORNERSTONE ACTIONS OR ONE OF THE ACTION PLANS, JUST GIVING THIS AS A POTENTIAL WAY TO ORGANIZE DISCUSSION THIS EVENING.
AND THEN RECOMMENDATION AND NEXT STEP.
SO IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION, UH, BY MOTION, RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPT THE FINAL DRAFT BLUEPRINT AND RECOMMENDED THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, APPROVE A RESOLUTION RECOMMENDING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPT THE FINAL BLUEPRINT.
WE ARE LOOKING TO GO BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL, DEPENDING ON A SUCCESSFUL, UM, EVENING TONIGHT AND RECOMMENDATIONS MOVING TO CITY
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COUNCIL IN NOVEMBER FOR THAT ADOPTION HEARING.AND THEN WE BEGIN OR CONTINUE THE HARD WORK OF IMPLEMENTING, UM, THE PROGRAMS IN THE BLUEPRINT.
SO WITH THAT, UM, THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
AS I MENTIONED, THE TEAM IS HERE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY.
AND I'LL ALSO, UM, UH, THANK YOU TO BOTH COMMISSIONS AND THE COMMUNITY ON THE WORK THAT HAS GONE INTO THIS BLUEPRINT TO DATE.
UM, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION, UM, REVIEWING ALL THE CHANGES IN THE PROCESS.
UM, WE'RE ONTO THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS TO, UM, OPEN IT UP TO COMMISSIONERS FOR QUESTIONS.
UM, THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION IS GONNA GO FIRST.
UM, SO THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR, UM, FOR US TO ASK STAFF SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, UM, INQUIRING ABOUT METHODOLOGY, CLARIFYING DATA.
UM, WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID LEADING QUESTIONS, AND IT'S OKAY TO PASS IF YOU HAVE NO QUESTIONS.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS START FROM, UM, VICE MAYOR SCH RIBS AND MOVE THIS WAY IN SORT OF A CIRCULAR MOTION IF WE CAN.
UM, AS I'VE SENT IN A COMMENTS EARLIER, I DON'T HAVE QUESTIONS THIS TIME 'CAUSE I'M PRETTY HAPPY WITH WHAT THE BLUEPRINT AS IS.
I DO HAVE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT EMPHASIS OF, OF LANGUAGE AND STRATEGIES, UH, BUT THAT THOSE ARE MORE COMMENTS.
I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, JUST COMMENTS FOR LATER.
UM, IN THE STAFF REPORT, IT MENTIONED, UH, CQA QUALIFIED CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, AND THAT THIS DOCUMENT DOESN'T MEET THAT THRESHOLD.
AND SO I'M CURIOUS WHERE WE ARE DEFICIENT AND, UH, WHAT IT WILL TAKE TO MAKE US COMPLIANT.
UH, THIS IS ERIC KOVICH FROM RAYMOND ASSOCIATES.
UM, WHEN YOU ARE DOING YOUR GENERAL PLAN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT, UH, OVER THE NEXT YEAR, THE INTENT IS THAT THE TECHNICAL ANALYSIS IN THE BLUEPRINT WILL BECOME ALIGNED WITH THE GROWTH PROJECTIONS THAT ARE PART OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT, AS WELL AS THE TRANSPORTATION ANALYSIS THAT'S PART OF THAT WORK, SO THAT WE CAN BRING THOSE TWO, THREE DOCUMENTS REALLY INTO ALIGNMENT WITH ONE ANOTHER.
AND THEREFORE, AT THAT POINT IN TIME, YOU COULD HAVE A SQA QUALIFIED PLAN SO LONG AS YOU MEET THE MASS EMISSIONS THRESHOLDS OF, UH, PA 32, WHICH YOU, WHICH YOU WOULD CERTAINLY BE ON TRACK TO DO BASED ON THE ANALYSIS WE'VE DONE TO DATE.
THA I GUESS THAT WAS MAYBE MY SUB-QUESTION.
THE, THE THRESHOLD I GUESS WE'RE, I GUESS OUR STATED GOAL IS OUR A HUNDRED PERCENT.
OUR CURRENT PLAN GETS US TO 60%.
AND WHAT IS THE THRESHOLD? UH, YOU, THE THRESHOLD WOULD BE SET BY SB 32, WHICH WOULD BE 40% REDUCTION BELOW 1990 LEVELS BY 2030, WHICH YOU, UH, WOULD BE WELL ON YOUR WAY TO MEETING.
UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW, THIS IS NOT A LEADING QUESTION, BUT, UM,
AND SO I GUESS, LET ME FORMULATE THAT AS A QUESTION.
UM, IF WE DO WANT TO STILL CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT ACHIEVING OUR STATED GOALS, UH, WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST FORUM TO DO THAT? EVERYONE'S GONNA GIVE ME BLANK BLANK STARES,
UM, SO MY RECOLLECTION IS IN THE, IN THE PAST WHEN WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS, WE LOOKED AT SEVERAL SCENARIOS.
WE HAD THAT LITTLE GRAPH THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS AS USUAL, ENHANCED BUSINESS AS USUAL, RIGHT.
UM, I THINK THAT, AND I'M, I'M GONNA TURN THIS A LITTLE BIT INTO A CONVERSATION, BUT ERIC, I THINK THAT, UM, THE BERKELEY CASE PENALIZED US IN SOME WAYS BECAUSE WE WERE DOING SO MUCH ABOVE AND BEYOND FOR OUR NEW CONSTRUCTION AND SIGNIFICANT REMODELS, UM, TO MEET OUR GOALS.
SO I'M GUESSING, UM, THAT WOULD BE ONE THING THAT WE SLID BACKWARDS ON.
YEAH, I THINK YOU, YOU'RE, YOU, THE, THE GOAL IS IN AGGRESSIVE, RIGHT? WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT AT COMMISSION A NUMBER OF TIMES.
AND IN ORDER TO MEET THAT, YOU HAVE TO DO WELL ABOVE WHAT'S REQUIRED, WHAT THE STATE IS REQUIRING WELL ABOVE THE TARGETS AND PROJECTIONS
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THAT YOU SEE COMING FROM THE AIR RESOURCES BOARD AND OTHER STATE AGENCIES WITH RESPECT TO VEHICLE ELECTRIFICATION, BUILDING ELECTRIFICATION, ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PROGRAMS, SOLID WASTE DIVERSION PROGRAMS, WA WATER USAGE AND REDUCTION PROGRAMS. SO YOU'RE DOING IT ACROSS A WHOLE SET OF SUBTOPICS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.SO, AS HEATHER MENTIONED, THE BUILDING, THE BERKELEY DECISION SLID EVERYBODY BACKWARDS ON NEW CONSTRUCTION AND REMODELS ACROSS THE STATE.
WE HAVE A REVISED PLAN IN THERE FOR CONSIDERATION FOR YOU ALL IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT BUILDING PERFORMANCE STANDARDS.
THERE HAVE BEEN NEW ORDINANCES ADOPTED IN PLACES LIKE SANTA MONICA.
SO SOME OF THOSE LEADING CITIES ARE ALREADY HAVE TAKEN REVISED ACTION.
SO THERE ARE NEW PATHWAYS THAT ARE BECOMING AVAILABLE TO US AS WE GO FORWARD.
AL ALSO JUST SAY THAT, UH, THERE'S A REALLY STRONG FOCUS IN THE MONITORING AND REPORTING STRATEGY IN THE UNDER MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS ABOUT REGULARLY REEVALUATING PROGRAM IMPLEMENTATION, BOTH FROM THE ACTION SIDE, BOTH IN TERMS OF THE METRICS AND INVENTORY SIDE, REALLY TO TEND TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE DOING ADAPTIVE MANAGEMENT AS YOU MOVE FORWARD.
SO EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS YOU NEED TO BE REEVALUATING AND MAKING SURE THOSE PROGRAMS ARE HELPING YOU MEET THOSE TARGETS.
UH, AND THEN LASTLY, JUST TO ADD, THERE WAS THE DISCUSSION IN THAT ADDITIONAL CORNERSTONE ACTION RELATED TO, UM, PROGRAM IMPLEMENTATION AND COSTS AND FUNDING WHERE I THINK IT'S NUMBER, IT WAS NUMBER FIVE ON HEATHER'S LIST EARLIER AT, THAT'S ONE OF THOSE KIND OF INTERIM STEPS THAT YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO BE TAKING EVERY FEW YEARS TO REALLY LOOK AT HOW YOU CAN FURTHER CLIMATE ACTION IN THE COMMUNITY BEYOND WHAT YOU'RE ABLE TO DO AT THIS PRESENT TIME.
AND IT'S CONSTANTLY CHANGING AS WE MOVE FORWARD, AS WE ALL KNOW WHO DO THIS WORK.
SO I THINK IT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE AN ADAPTIVE MANAGEMENT KIND OF APPROACH.
AND I WOULD ADD, UM, VICE CHAIR THAT WE HAVE A LOT IN THIS BLUEPRINT.
AND THEN ALSO JUST KEEPING OUR EYES AND EARS AND HEARTS OPEN FOR EVERYTHING THAT COMES OUR WAY TO KEEP ADDING TO, AND NEW, NEW OPPORTUNITIES THAT COME UP, NEW WAYS TO INCENTIVIZE WHEN WE CAN'T REGULATE, YOU KNOW, THOSE, THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
CONTINUING TO, UM, BE A ACTIVE AND COMMITTED COMMUNITY.
I GUESS I'LL TRY AND NOT MAKE A COMMENT HERE.
UM, BUT THE, THE LAST THING I'LL SAY ON THE TOPIC OF LIKE, HOW DO WE STILL GET A HUNDRED PERCENT IS, UM, WHAT'S MISSING FROM THIS DOCUMENT IS ANY CONVERSATION AROUND OFFSETS AND WHAT OUR POLICIES SHOULD BE AROUND OFFSETS.
AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE THE SCIENCE-BASED TARGET INITIATIVE, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST HAS A POLICY CONVERSATION AROUND USING OFFSETS.
AND SO THAT IS MISSING FROM THIS DOCUMENT, AND THEREFORE WE CAN'T HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AROUND SHOULD WE BRIDGE THE GAP TO A HUNDRED PERCENT WITH THIS.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, I APOLOGIZE THAT THAT'S, IT'S A COMMENT, NOT A QUESTION.
UM, BUT UM, YOU KNOW, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
UM, I DO, I DO WANNA JUST ORIENT EVERYBODY THAT WE WILL HAVE A CHANCE LATER ALSO TO SAY THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE, IF WE WANNA DO A MOTION AND WE BY CONSENSUS CAN SAY A, A MOTION TO PASS IT WITH THESE RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO, UM, AND ALSO I I WANTED TO CLARIFY BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE DIDN'T AGREE ON THE AGGRESSIVE TRACK WE AGREED ON DO WHAT IT TAKES.
ISN'T THAT RIGHT? THE AGGRESSIVE WAS BELOW DO WHAT IT TAKES.
RIGHT? I DI I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR YOUR QUESTION.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT SORT OF LIKE THE DO NOTHING OH, YEAH.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AND THERE WAS AGGRESSIVE AND THEN THERE WAS DO WHAT IT TAKES.
AND I THINK WHAT WE AGREED ON WAS DO WHAT IT TAKES, DO WHAT IT TAKES IS WHAT, WHAT WE WENT TO.
I ALSO WANNA, WE JUST LOOKED, UM, TO THE, THE VICE CHAIR.
THERE IS, UM, AN ITEM IS THAT UNDER CORNERSTONE ACTIONS? MM-HMM.
THERE'S A CORNERSTONE ACTION BY 2026, DEVELOP AND OFFSET POLICY THAT PRIORITIZES LOCAL AND REGIONAL CARBON SEQUESTRATION PARTNERSHIPS AND PROJECTS YOU MADE MY DAY.
COMMISSIONER AMP, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO.
COMMISSIONER EDM ADMINISTER A COUPLE.
UM, ON, I'VE USED PDF PAGES BECAUSE THOSE ARE A LITTLE BIT EASIER.
WHEN YOU'RE TRACKING A DOCUMENT, UM, THE FIRST APPEARANCE OF FEEE DASH ONE, UM, THIS STATES, THIS IS A BY 2030 DATE LATER IN THE DOCUMENT WHEN THAT, UM, ACTION REAPPEARS, IT'S CLARIFIED THAT THIS, THE ALIGNMENT IS AN ONGOING
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PROCESS WITH 2030 COMPLETE BUY.AND I, I GUESS IT'S THE QUESTION, IS THERE A A WAY TO MAKE THIS MORE CLEAR IN THE FIRST APPEARANCE OF THIS? BECAUSE I FIRST READ THAT AND THOUGHT, OH NO, NO, THIS IS WAY TOO LATE FOR US TO ALIGN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS WITH THE DECARBONIZATION BUDGET.
UM, WHEN IT SAYS 20 BY 2030, IT SOUNDS LIKE, YEAH, WELL, WELL WE'LL BE GETTING TO THAT.
UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN SOONER, AND I'M GLAD AGAIN THAT IT'S CLARIFIED LATER.
SO MY QUESTION IS, CAN YOU MAKE THAT CLEARER WHEN IT FIRST APPEARS PRETTY PLEASE, YES.
WE CAN MAKE SURE TO SPLIT THAT INTO TWO SENTENCES SO IT'S EASIER TO UNDERSTAND.
UM, OTHER QUESTION IS, UM, IN FIGURE 13, AND THIS KIND OF RELATES, UM, TO BEN'S CONCERN AS WELL, BUT IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT IN THE GRAPH WE'VE GOT THE, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS AS USUAL LINE, AND THEN WE HAVE THE LINES GOING DOWN THE BLUE LINE, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE PRESUMABLY TARGETING, WHERE WE ACTUALLY GET TO CARBON NEUTRALITY SHOWS THAT DOWNWARD ANGLE STARTING AROUND 2020.
AND I'M CURIOUS, DO WE ACTUALLY THINK THAT'S BEEN HAPPENING IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS? OR DO, UM, OR SHOULD IT BE ADJUSTED TO SHOW IT STARTING SAY IN 2025 OR, OR PERHAPS WE HAVE ACTIONS TO DATE THAT WARRANT SHOWING IT AS IT IS.
WHEN WE ORIGINALLY RE INVENTORIED THE CITY'S EMISSIONS, UH, WE DID THAT IN, UH, 2018, UH, SINCE THAT TIME, UM, THE REGIONAL CLIMATE PROTECTION AGENCY HAS RE INVENTORIED EMISSIONS, UH, FOR PETALUMA.
AND I BELIEVE THERE WAS A DECREASE IN EMISSIONS OVER THAT TIME PERIOD TO 2020, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.
UM, THEY USE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT ACCOUNTING METHODS AND DON'T USE ALL THE SAME SECTORS, SO THEY DON'T ALIGN PERFECTLY.
BUT I THINK IN GENERAL, WE'VE SEEN THAT TREND AND WE HAVE, UH, GENERALLY NOT RECOMMENDED ORGANIZATIONS OR AGENCIES DO INVENTORIES IN THE YEARS OF 20 20, 20 21 AND 2022, IN PART BECAUSE OF THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC AND HOW, HOW DRAMATICALLY IT CHANGED IN PARTICULAR, UH, TRAVEL PATTERNS WITHIN COMMUNITIES.
AND WE'VE SEEN, UH, REALLY SIGNIFICANT REDUCTIONS IN VEHICLE MILES TRAVEL DURING THAT TIME PERIOD.
IT'S NOT TILL 20 22, 20 23 THAT YOU REALLY SEE TRAVEL REBOUNDING ACROSS THE BAY AREA, UH, AND BAY AREA COMMUNITIES IN TERMS OF THAT.
SO YOU'RE PROBABLY AT A POINT NOW WHERE IF YOU LOOKED AT 2022 OR 2023 EMISSIONS, YOU'D HAVE A BETTER SNAPSHOT OF WHERE YOU ARE CURRENTLY AND A MORE STABLE SET OF, UH, EMISSIONS FROM YOUR TRANSPORTATION SECTOR.
SO WHAT I THINK YOU'RE TELLING ME IS WE DON'T REALLY HAVE DATA BETWEEN NOW OR 2020 AND NOW.
AND SO WE'RE SORT OF SHOWING THAT DECLINE STARTING IN 2020, BUT WE ACTUALLY DON'T KNOW.
I I THINK IT MIGHT BE MORE HONEST TO LEAVE A GAP IN THE GRAPH BETWEEN 2020 AND PRESENT AND SHOW US STARTING TO GO DOWN IN 2025.
UH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S JUST A GUT REACTION TO THAT.
BEN, YOU WANNA ADD SOMETHING TO THAT? YEAH, UM, I GUESS THE, YOU KNOW, MY UNDERSTANDING IS, UM, MOST COMMUNITIES IN SONOMA COUNTY ADOPTED, UM, THE MUNICIPAL EVERGREEN PROGRAM, AND THAT WAS AN IMMEDIATE REDUCTION IN THEIR EMISSIONS.
AND SO I THINK THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO HIGHLIGHT, THAT'S PROBABLY THE FASTEST WAY FOR PEOPLE TO INDIVIDUALLY REDUCE THEIR EMISSIONS, IS TO ENROLL IN THIS SONOMA CLEAN POWER EVERGREEN PROGRAM.
AND SO IF WE'RE HIGHLIGHTING THIS GRAPH WHERE THAT REDUCTION STARTS, AND I LIKE THE GAP IDEA, BUT IF THERE INDEED WAS THAT REDUCTION HIS OVER THE LAST, WHENEVER WE ADOPTED, I THINK 2021 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, PUT THAT ON THE GRAPH TOO.
AND YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT QUICK ACTION, DO THIS.
THE, JUST A REMINDER THAT THIS IS, THIS TIME IS FOR QUESTIONS AND WE DO HAVE MORE DISCUSSION TIME LATER.
I TRIED TO MAKE THOSE QUESTIONS
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KRISHNA.
THEN WE WILL PROCEED INTO THE PLANNING COMMISSION QUESTIONS AS THE
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CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION DID, LOOKING FOR THOSE, UH, SPECIFIC QUESTIONS TO INQUIRE ABOUT METHODOLOGY, CLARIFY DATA, AND IT'S FINE TO PASS.UM, I, I THINK WE TOO CAN SORT OF GO IN ORDER IN A LITTLE CIRCLE.
UM, AND I'LL KICK IT OFF WITH TWO SOFTBALLS.
THE FIRST IS, UM, COULD YOU JUST REVIEW THE NAMING LEGACY OF THIS DOCUMENT FOR THE RECORD, BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S BEEN REBRANDED AT LEAST ONCE,
UM, AS HEATHER MENTIONED EARLIER, IT WAS, UH, INITIATED AS A CLIMATE ACTION AND ADAPTATION PLAN AND, UH, AS THE ADAPTATION AND GREENHOUSE GAS, UH, MITIGATION PROGRAMS KIND OF SPLIT AS THERE WERE MORE ANALYSIS BEING DONE ON THE ADAPTATION SIDE.
SO WE PULLED THE ADAPTATION AWAY AND AS HEATHER MENTIONED, THAT'S BEING DONE AS PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE AND THE LOCAL HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN.
SO IT WAS, UH, WHEN RELEASED IN OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR, THE CLI UH, THE BLUEPRINT FOR CARBON NEUTRALITY AND AT THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION, WE TRANSITIONED THE NAME TO THE BLUEPRINT FOR CLIMATE ACTION.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT CLARITY.
UM, ONE MORE SOFTBALL FOR YOU.
IF WE COULD JUST GET LIKE A TWO SENTENCE SUMMARY ON THE BERKELEY DECISION FOR THE RECORD FOR, UH, THE UNINITIATED, UM, THE RESTAURANT ASSOCIATION SUED THE CITY OF BERKELEY OVER THE CITY OF BERKELEY'S, UM, ALL ELECTRIC NEW CONSTRUCTION ORDINANCE, UH, THAT WENT THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEM AND THE CALIFORNIA SUPREME COURT.
UH, THE NINTH CIRCUIT OF THE SUPREME COURT, UM, ESSENTIALLY, UH, PUSHED THE BAN BACK DOWN AND SAID THAT THE CITY OF BERKELEY DIDN'T HAVE THE STATUTORY AUTHORITY TO REGULATE, UH, ENERGY EFFICIENCY IN NEW CONSTRUCTION AND CHAIR.
THE NINTH CIRCUIT ESSENTIALLY SAID THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, I FORGET THE NAME OF THE STATUTE, I THINK IT'S LIKE EPCA OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT PREEMPTS, UH, LOCAL CI UH, STATES AND LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES FROM REGULATING, UH, ESSENTIALLY ELECTRICITY.
SO THAT'S THE LAW OF THE LAND.
THE SUPREME COURT DIDN'T TAKE IT UP THE NINTH CIRCUIT, THEY ARE, UH, CALIFORNIA, WASHINGTON, ARIZONA'S WE'RE THEIR COURT.
SO THAT'S BINDING PRECEDENT ON THE CITY RIGHT NOW.
UM, DO YOU WANNA KICK OFF QUESTIONS? SURE.
I'M GONNA START ON PDF PAGE 1 43.
UH, THE DEMOCRA, UH, THE DEMOGRAPHIC FORECAST.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ALIGNS WITH WHAT WE HAVE ELSEWHERE IN THE GENERAL PLAN.
YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE HAD SEEN RON HAD GIVEN A REPRESENTATION VISUALLY WITH A GRAPH, AND I REMEMBER THERE WAS KIND OF A DEMOGRAPHIC CLIFF.
MAYBE THAT WAS FIFTH, 2050 OR 2060, AND MAYBE I'M MISREMEMBERING, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THIS WAS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'VE FOUND IN THE GENERAL PLAN.
I WOULD ASSUME IT IS, BUT I THOUGHT I'D CONFIRM.
UH, I THINK IT IS, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL DOUBLE CHECK.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, AND, AND I, I KNOW THAT SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE LOOKED AT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN, THERE'S ALSO, UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS PETALUMA OR CALIFORNIA THAT SHOWED SOME OF THAT STEEPER DECLINE, BUT, WE'LL, WE'LL DOUBLE CHECK.
YEAH, I THINK I REMEMBER PETALUMA, SONOMA AND CALIFORNIA WITH YEAH, THAT WOULD BE.
UH, AND THEN CONFIRMING THAT OUR CURRENT, UH, GHG EMISSIONS CALCULATIONS FOR TRANSPORTATION INCORPORATE THE TREND OF EVS ELECTRIFIED VEHICLES, I WOULD ASSUME THEY DO, BUT I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THEY DID AT THE TIME OF THE INVENTORY IN 2018 AND THEY ACCOUNT FOR THEM IN THE FORECAST MOVING FORWARD.
WHEN I SAW, UM, CLIMATE PERSONNEL, IN AN EXAMPLE, A BLUEPRINT COORDINATOR IN ALL CITY DEPARTMENTS, IS THIS BECOMING COMMONPLACE THROUGHOUT DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES NOW, THIS IS NOTHING, UH, OR IS THIS KIND OF US LEADING THE WAY? OR HOW WOULD WE CHARACTERIZE THAT? UH, A LOT OF MUNICIPAL JURISDICTIONS, WHETHER THEY'RE CITIES OR COUNTIES, HAVE ESTABLISHED INTERDEPARTMENTAL WORKING GROUPS TO WORK ON SUSTAINABILITY AND CLIMATE ISSUES, IN PART BECAUSE THEY'RE CROSSCUTTING ISSUES AND THEY TOUCH A LOT OF DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS.
AND SO IT'S BEEN, UH, YOU SEE MORE OF THE LEADING CITIES DOING THAT AS A WAY TO COORDINATE ACTIVITIES, UH, TO LEVERAGE EACH OTHER'S RESOURCES AND EXPERTISE ACROSS DEPARTMENTS.
UH, AND THEN ON OSM DASH FOUR, CORNERSTONE ACTION, IT MENTIONS WILDLIFE CORRIDORS.
I KNOW WE'VE SEEN THAT THROUGHOUT DIFFERENT PROJECTS AND POLICY DOCUMENTS SOMETIMES.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I KNOW WHAT THAT WORD MEANS.
UM, WHAT IS OUR KIND OF MAPPING PLAN FOR WILDLIFE CORRIDORS MAYBE, UH, HEATHER OR ANOTHER STAFF MEMBER KNOWS EVEN OUTSIDE THE CONTEXT
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OF THIS DOCUMENT.UH, WHERE ARE WE AND DOES THAT ACTION INVOLVE DOING A MORE INTENSIVE MAPPING EFFORT? AM I KIND OF READING THAT RIGHT IN THAT CORNERSTONE ACTION OSM DASH FOUR, THE INTENT OF THE, THE STRATEGY WAS TO STAY, TAKE A STEP BACK CITYWIDE AND THINK OF THE OPEN SPACE NETWORK AS A COMPREHENSIVE NETWORK, RIGHT? SO BOTH THE PROTECTED OPEN SPACES THAT EXIST WITHIN THE CITY, CITY OWNED PARKS, THERE'S ALSO LOTS OF PRIVATE PROPERTY THAT FUNCTIONS AS PART OF AN OPEN SPACE SYSTEM.
THERE'S ALREADY BEEN A LOT OF WORK DONE BOTH WITHIN THE COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF YOUR GENERAL PLAN IN TERMS OF WHAT, UH, YOU'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF BIOLOGICAL RESOURCES AND OPEN SPACES.
THERE'S ALSO BEEN OTHER MAPPING DONE REGIONALLY ON OPEN SPACE CORRIDORS.
THE INTENT WOULD BE TO KNIT TOGETHER ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES INTO A BROADER FRAMEWORK TO THINK ABOUT OPEN SPACE AND SEQUESTRATION AS A, AS A, IN A COMPREHENSIVE WAY.
AND I THINK THIS IS ALSO REFERENCING, UH, UPDATE TO THE PETALUMA RIVER PLAN.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE RIVER ACCESS AND ENHANCEMENT PLAN REALLY DOES THAT IN A LOT OF WAYS WHERE IT'S GOT THE DIFFERENT REACHES AND HOW THEY INTERACT AND HOW IT SHIFTS BECAUSE OF WHAT'S THERE IN, IN EACH OF THOSE SECTIONS.
BUT ALSO ACKNOWLEDGING THAT, UPDATING THAT, UM, FOR, YOU KNOW, LOTS OF REASONS, UM, TO, TO BRING IT, UM, MORE CURRENT AND MORE CURRENT WITH SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS WE ARE DOING OR HAVE DONE.
AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH THIS DOCUMENT AS OUR COLLEAGUES, SO I APPRECIATE WALKING THROUGH SOME OF THIS.
UH, AND THEN WHEN IT COMES TO PARKING MANAGEMENT, I HEARD SOMEONE SAY, WE'VE DONE PARKING METERS IN PETALUMA BEFORE, HAVE WE, WHAT WAS THE TENOR SUCCESS OF THAT PROGRAM? AND THEN AS A FOLLOW UP FOR PM DASH ONE, THE CORNERSTONE ACTION FOR PARKING MANAGEMENT, UH, WHAT IS DYNAMIC PRICING DONE? I HEARD IT WAS IN THE 1970S.
MAYBE, MAYBE IT'S NOT RELEVANT.
I JUST WONDERED IF WE HAD IT ON THE BOOKS WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH THIS THAT WE HAD ANY MENTION OF THAT OR I, I DON'T REME I DON'T RECALL THAT.
UM, OKAY THEN DYNAMIC PRICING DYNAMIC, WHAT THAT MEANS, DYNAMIC PRICING.
AND YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS BETTER THAN I DO, BUT IT'S BASICALLY CHANGING THE COST OF PARKING BASED ON DEMAND IN REAL, KIND OF A REAL TIME WAY.
LIKE WE'RE SEEING ON DIFFERENT RIDESHARE APPS AND THAT KIND OF THING.
UH, AND THEN TRANSPORTATION DEMAND MANAGEMENT.
T DM ONE TALKS ABOUT REVISING AN EXISTING POLICY, UH, AND I JUST WANTED TO SEE, DO WE HAVE A CURRENT TDM POLICY? I KNOW THERE'S A SEPARATE ONE FOR THE CITY.
UH, AND THEN GENERALLY, DO WE HAVE AN EXISTING POLICY? AND CAN YOU JUST BRIEFLY CHARACTERIZE LIKE WHAT IT DOES NOW? I BELIEVE WE HAVE, UM, A OLDER POLICY IN OUR MUNICIPAL PLAN, OUR MUNICIPAL CODE ABOUT TDM REQUIREMENTS.
UM, BUT I BELIEVE IT IS A PRETTY HIGH THRESHOLD ON A NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES AND KIND OF WHAT EXACTLY IT DOES.
SO TO, TO BRING ALSO THAT UP TO CURRENT CURRENT EXPECTATIONS OF A TDM.
MAKE IT SO MAKING IT UNIVERSAL TO UPDATE THOSE THRESHOLDS.
UH, AND THEN THE OTHER PIECE THAT STUCK OUT TO ME WAS, UM, SB 10.
OBVIOUSLY THERE'S BEEN A LOT ABOUT THAT.
CAN YOU JUST CHARACTERIZE REALLY QUICKLY KIND OF THE, THE HIGHEST POSITIVE ASPIRATION THAT THAT WARRANTED ITS INCLUSION HERE? JUST WHY? 'CAUSE I, I KNOW THAT THAT'S ONE THAT'S, THAT CAN BE CONTENTIOUS IN DIFFERENT AREAS.
SO SB 10 IS ESSENTIALLY A STATE LAW SENATE BILL NUMBER 10, WHICH WAS PASSED, UH, CONCURRENTLY OR, UH, ABOUT THE SAME TIME AS SB NINE.
UH, SO IT WAS SORT OF A PACKAGE OF STATE PROPOSITIONS THAT ESTATE BILLS THAT BOTH REQUIRED AND ENCOURAGED COMMUNITIES TO INCORPORATE GENTLE DENSITY INTO THEIR EXISTING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO, UH, IN THE CASE OF SB NINE, LOOKING AT, UH, DUPLEXES AND LOT SPLITTING PRIMARILY SB 10 WITH A SLIGHTLY HIGHER, UH, THRESHOLD FOR GENTLE DENSITY WITH THE INTENT OF ENCOURAGING WHAT WE CALL MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING TYPES, WHICH ARE THOSE HOUSING TYPES FROM DUPLEX, TRIPLEX, FOURPLEX UP TO KIND OF TOWN HOMES AND KIND OF SMALLER DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING BUILDING, BUILDING TYPES THAT WE'RE NOT SEEING BUILT AS FREQUENTLY AS WE DID IN THE PAST.
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SO TO MEET OUR LAND USE GOALS, THIS SEEMED LIKE THE NEXT STEP IN ADDING ONTO WHAT WE'RE DOING.AND THEN, UM, 2018 TO TODAY, WE'VE MENTIONED THE INVENTORY, I DIDN'T SEE IT IN HERE, BUT I COULD HAVE OVERLOOKED IT.
UH, DO WE HAVE UPDATED INVENTORIES PLANNED? IS THERE KIND OF A CADENCE TO THOSE AS KIND OF TARGET SETTING? OR DO WE HAVE STATE TARGETS MAYBE THAT WE'RE MANAGING TO? UH, AND HOW DO WE ASSESS THAT? BASICALLY, WHAT DOES SUCCESS LOOK LIKE? HOW DO WE KNOW WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING THERE? I DUNNO THE ANSWER TO THAT
SO JUST STEPPING BACK, LIKE AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, I MEAN, WE HAVE JUST TOLD PEOPLE NOT TO DO INVENTORIES DURING THOSE 20 20, 20 20, 21 AND 22, YOU KNOW, IN GENERAL, JUST BECAUSE OF THE DYNAMICS OF THE PANDEMIC.
AND NOW 22, 23, THOSE ARE, UH, GOOD SOLID YEARS WHERE YOU CAN RE INVENTORY EMISSIONS.
AND WE'RE AT THE POINT NOW WHERE IN 2024, WHERE YOU HAVE THE DATA AVAILABLE TO DO 2023 INVENTORIES, RIGHT? THERE'S A BIG LAG IN DATA TIME.
SO IN GENERAL, WE WOULD RECOMMEND EVERY, YOU KNOW, THREE YEARS YOU'RE DOING THIS AGGRESSIVELY.
SO, YOU KNOW, 2, 3, 4 YEARS, SOME CYCLE LIKE THAT, YOU'D WANNA RE INVENTORY YOUR EMISSIONS, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE YOU HAVE A VERY, UH, VERY CLOSE, UH, OUT GOAL IN 2030 THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO REACH TOWARDS.
AND THEN, UH, THIS LAST QUESTION IS KIND OF A BROADER QUESTION ABOUT THE LANGUAGE IN THE CORNERSTONE ACTIONS AND JUST THINKING OF IMPLEMENTATION.
WHAT DOES IMPLEMENTATION LOOK LIKE? AND, AND WHAT I MEAN IS THE LANGUAGE HERE SEEMS PRETTY DEFINITIVE, BUT AGAIN, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THESE STRATEGIES, IT'S GONNA REQUIRE COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS.
I THINK I READ THAT THAT'S INCLUDED, BUT IS THAT KIND OF IMPLICIT THAT EVEN IF THESE SEEM LIKE DEFINITIVE, WE WILL DO X THAT BUILT INTO THAT IS WE WILL HAVE A COMMUNITY CONVERSATION ANALYZE IMPACTS OF X AND IMPLEMENT IT TO ACHIEVE THESE ENDS.
IS THAT IMPLICIT OR DO SHOULD WE THINK ABOUT SOFTENING LANGUAGE FOR SOME OF THESE TO MAKE SURE THOSE CONVERSATIONS HAPPEN OR, I MEAN, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT 'EM, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, UF ONE DEVELOP AND ADOPT A PETALUMA URBAN FOREST MANAGEMENT PLAN IN PARTNERSHIP WITH COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS.
SO OBVIOUSLY IF WE'RE GONNA ADOPT A PLAN, WE'RE GONNA HAVE LOTS OF INPUT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE LOTS OF ENGAGEMENT.
UM, UH, SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SPECIFIC ONES.
WE DO A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN OUR CCBS, OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS, OUR, YOU KNOW, ENGAGEMENT, UM, STRATEGY, OUR COMMUNICATIONS DIVISION, YOU KNOW, SO I, I WOULD SAY THAT IT'S IMPLICIT THAT ALMOST EVERYTHING PETALUMA DOES, THERE'S ENGAGEMENT AS PART OF THAT PROCESS.
THAT'S, AND IF I CAN ADD ONTO THAT, HI, BACK HERE.
UM, A LOT OF THESE ACTIONS ARE ONLY GONNA BE SUCCESSFUL IF WE GET A LARGE AMOUNT OF COMMUNITY BUY-IN ON THEM.
THEY'RE IMPOSSIBLE TO MEET THESE TARGETS WITHOUT THE COMMUNITY, UM, JOINING THE CITY AND TAKING ACTION.
SO IF WE DON'T DO THAT OUTREACH THAT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE SUCCESSFUL.
SO I, I THINK IT'S SOMEWHAT IMPLICIT IN THAT AS WELL, BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE A BIG PIECE OF THE PIE.
UM, I, I, I ALSO REMEMBER THERE BEING A COUPLE OF, OF EXPLICIT THINGS IN THERE THAT, THAT WE'RE GONNA KEEP, KEEP EVALUATING WHAT WE'RE DOING AND MAKING SURE THAT IT STILL MAKES SENSE TO DO IT, AND A LOT OF COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS ON THE IMPLEMENTATION.
WELL THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR CONTRIBUTING TO THAT ONE.
UM, I BEGAN A DEEP DIVE INTO THE BLUEPRINT AND USING MY ENGINEERING EXPERIENCE AND MY SYSTEMS ANALYSIS BACKGROUND, I CREATED A SUMMARY OF THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT AND THEN ANALYZED THE RESULTS.
I ENDED MY REVIEW WITH THE IDEA THAT, WELL, GOD, YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A LOT OF WORK.
THERE'S A LOT IN THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT THINGS IN THERE.
BUT I WAS CONCERNED MOSTLY ABOUT A PARTICULAR PHRASE THAT CAME UP FREQUENTLY, IN FACT, MORE THAN 25 TIMES, AND THAT'S THE PHRASE CONNECTED TO POLICIES, PLANS, PROGRAMS, AND ORDINANCES THAT SAY IT'S NOT IN EXISTENCE.
MY QUESTION, THEREFORE, IS HOW DO YOU PROPOSE THAT THIS DRAFT BLUEPRINT WILL ACTUALLY HELP LEAD US TO MEET OR EXCEED THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA'S VERY SPECIFIC GUIDELINES IN THE AREA OF GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS? THE STATE HAS DETAILED THE NEEDED REDUCTION MEASURES TO INCLUDE REDUCTIONS IN THE AREAS OF TRANSPORTATION, INDUSTRIAL ENERGY, HIGH GLOBAL WARMING, AGRICULTURE, NATURAL AND WORKING LANDS AND WASTE.
BUT HOW DO WE ACTUALLY DO THAT WITH SO MANY NONEXISTING POLICIES, PLANS, PROGRAMS, AND ORDINANCES? IF, IF I COULD JUST JUMP IN AND MAYBE OTHERS WILL, WILL THINK OF BETTER ANSWER.
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WHERE I THINK THE NAME OF BLUEPRINT MAKES THE DIFFERENCE IN HERE.IT'S, IT'S NOT AN ACTUAL SET OF SPECIFICATIONS OF LIKE, THESE, THESE ARE THE MATERIALS YOU'RE GONNA USE TO BUILD THE BUILDING.
THIS IS LIKE HOW WE GATHER OUR THOUGHTS, HOW WE ORGANIZE OURSELVES TO BE SUCCESSFUL ON THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT TELLS US WHAT THE INGREDIENTS ARE TO GET TO THAT POINT, NOT NECESSARILY LIKE SCHEDULING IT OUT DETAIL BY DETAIL TO, TO GET THERE.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS IN IMPLEMENTATION.
SO I THINK IN, IN A WAY, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS PURPOSEFUL, BUT I THINK THE BLUEPRINT NAME ACTUALLY IS PRETTY HELPFUL IN THAT REGARD.
YOU KNOW, I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT THIS, THIS FIELD IS SHIFTING VERY RAPIDLY.
UM, AND SO A LOT OF THESE ARE KIND OF, THIS IS OUR BEST, UM, ANALYSIS AND, AND PROPOSAL FOR WHERE WE SHOULD BE FOCUSING OUR ENERGY TO REDUCE OUR GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS.
UM, IT'S PROBABLY NOT PERFECT.
AND WE, AND WE'VE SAID THIS A LOT AS WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH, AS WE HAVE TO BE READY TO BE FLEXIBLE AND AGILE AND TO SEE OPPORTUNITIES AND SEIZE OPPORTUNITIES.
AND A LOT OF THE THINGS IN HERE, KIND OF JUST THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER KUSON BROUGHT UP, LIKE, WE DO HAVE A TDM POLICY, BUT IT'S REALLY ANTIQUATED, SO WE GOTTA, YOU KNOW, WE GOTTA ALSO JUST CONTINUE TO BRING THINGS UP TO SPEED.
SO, UM, I, I THINK THIS BLUEPRINT SHOWS AN OUTLINES WHERE WE SHOULD BE FOCUSING OUR, OUR ENERGIES TO START, UM, ESPECIALLY OUR CORNERSTONE ACTIONS ON THAT KIND OF, THOSE FOUNDATIONAL THINGS WE NEED TO DO TO GET INTO PLACE IN ORDER FOR A LOT OF OTHER THINGS TO BUILD ON.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED.
THAT'S WHAT WE IDENTIFIED AS NEEDING TO KICK THIS OFF.
DO YOU THEN PERCEIVE THAT THE THINGS THAT ARE PLANNED, THE THINGS THAT SAY NON-EXISTENT NOW, BUT ARE READY TO BE PLANNED, ARE THEY GOING TO PROCEED THE THINGS THAT ARE REALLY OLD? THERE'S SOME MANY THINGS IN THERE THAT ARE 20 16, 20 18, 20 19.
UM, DO WE HAVE TIMELINES OF WHEN THESE THINGS MIGHT OCCUR? UM, YOU MEAN, SO WE HAVE TIMELINES FOR ALL THE ACTIONS THAT ARE PROPOSED.
UM, AND THE, AGAIN, THOSE ARE OUR BEST KIND OF ESTIMATES AND LOOKING AT HOW THINGS LAYER ON 'EM ON, ON EACH OTHER OR FOUNDATION AND THEN BUILDING UPON IT.
UM, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT ARE A LOT EASIER THAN OTHER THINGS.
THERE'S SOME THINGS IN HERE THAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE.
UM, SO, UM, THAT'S, AND THEN ALSO THE CONVERSATION ABOUT IN ORDER TO DO THE THINGS THAT THIS BLUEPRINT HAS OUTLINED IN IT, WE ARE GOING TO NEED TO CONTINUE TO PRIORITIZE THOSE AS THINGS THAT WE, UM, ALLOCATE RESOURCES TO, TO, TO GET THEM DONE.
COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON WITH ANY QUESTIONS? UM, WELL, I'LL ANSWER THE PARKING QUESTION.
I KNOW IN THE SIXTIES AND SEVENTIES THERE WERE PARKING METERS DOWNTOWN, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER AFTER THAT WHEN THEY WERE, BUT THEY WERE TAKEN OUT PROBABLY IN THE EIGHTIES.
SO, UM, BUT JUST TO, UM, KIND OF FOLLOW WITH, UM, WHAT COMMISSIONER, UM, NICOLA SAID AS FAR AS, AS, AS JUST AN EXAMPLE, LIKE WITH, UM, GAS POWERED LAWN AND GARDEN EQUIPMENT.
SO IS WILL THAT COME AS AN ORDINANCE TO THE CITY COUNCIL? SO WE BAN, UM, HOW DOES THAT PROCESS WORK IF WE'RE GOING TO BAN? WELL, YES, THEORETICALLY.
SO I KNOW THAT IT'S, IT'S, WE GOT A LOT OF COMMENTS ABOUT THAT DURING THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH, UH, ON THE BLUEPRINT.
AND THAT WAS A COMMON THEME, BUT I THINK WHAT IS LAID OUT IN HERE IS FOR MAINTENANCE OF CITY PROPERTIES.
IT'S BOTH, RIGHT? IT'S BOTH, YEAH.
UM, SO THERE'S LOTS OF ISSUES WITH THE AVAILABLE TECHNOLOGY AND THE EQUITY ISSUES AND, UM, SO WE WERE GIVING OUR BEST GUESS 2028.
UM, BUT THAT ONE IN PARTICULAR, THERE'S SOME THINGS, THERE'S SOME CHALLENGES WE HAVE THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GRAPPLE WITH IF WE HAVE WAYS TO DO THAT BEFORE 2028.
AND THERE'S TECHNOLOGY AND THERE'S, WE'RE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE EQUITY CONCERNS, BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW.
AND THE REST, MY OTHER QUESTIONS WERE ASKED.
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COMMISSIONER NEWELL, ANY QUESTIONS? YES.CAN, CAN YOU UNPACK A LITTLE BIT, OSM ONE AND HOW AN OFFSET PROGRAM WOULD, WOULD OPERATE WITHIN THE BROADER STRUCTURE OF THE BLUEPRINT? UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT WITH, UH, THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION WAS STEPPING BACK FROM IT FOR A SECOND, AND NOT JUST HAVING AN OFFSET POLICY, BUT BEING, HAVING A DIRECTIVE OFFSET POLICY.
SO HOW COULD, IF PETALUMA DECIDED TO OFFSET SOME OF ITS EMISSIONS THROUGH A PURCHASE PROGRAM, LIKE AN OFFSET PROGRAM, WHERE, WHERE WOULD IT WANT TO DO THOSE THINGS? RIGHT? WOULD IT WANT TO DO IT REGIONALLY, SUB REGIONALLY? HOW COULD YOU SUPPORT MARSHLAND PROTECTION? HOW COULD YOU SUPPORT FARMLAND AND WORKING LAND, UH, PROTECTION OVERALL? SO THIS PARTICULAR ACTION AND POLICY IS GONNA REQUIRE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT ITS PURPOSE AND INTENT, THE TYPES OF PROJECTS IT MIGHT SUPPORT THE SOURCES OF FUNDING WITHIN CITY GOVERNMENT IF THERE WERE TO BE AVAILABLE, WHAT THOSE WOULD LOOK LIKE AND HOW YOU WOULD USE THEM.
SO YOU'D HAVE TO WORK THROUGH ALL OF THOSE SPECIFIC DETAILS TO DEVELOP A POLICY LIKE THAT.
SO IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S BROADER THAN JUST A OFFSET SEQUESTRATION PROJECT WITHIN OUR OPEN SPACE STRATEGY.
IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WOULD REACH OTHER COMPONENTS OF THE BLUEPRINT.
UM, AND IT'S VERY MUCH IN THE, UH, ASPIRATIONAL PHASE.
NOW, THERE, THERE AREN'T, LIKE IF I WERE TO ASK FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS FOR MORE DEFINITIVE BOUNDARIES ON THIS OR DEFINITIVE, UM, GUARDRAILS, UM, YOU WOULD SAY, WELL, WE NEED TO WORK THAT OUT AS WE DEVELOP THE POLICY.
UM, MY OTHER QUESTION IS REALLY KIND OF WONKY, AND I'M NOT SURE IF, UM, IT WAS A QUESTION I ASKED WHEN THE FIRST DRAFT CAME BEFORE THE GENERAL PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
UM, AND IT HAS TO DO WITH, UH, THE USE OF LOW CARBON FUEL STANDARD CREDITS THAT UNDERWRITE, UH, VEHICLE CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE OR ZERO EMISSION BUSES.
UH, AND MY CONCERN ABOUT THAT ASPECT OF THOSE PARTICULAR PROJECTS IS THAT LOW CARBON FUEL STANDARD CREDITS ARE TRADABLE OFFSETS, BASICALLY, AND OIL COMPANIES BUY THEM SO THAT THEY CAN EMIT MORE.
AND I JUST AM WONDERING WHETHER THE BLUEPRINT IS SORT OF INCORPORATING THAT REGIONAL EMISSION INCREASE IN OUR EMISSION DECREASE WITHIN THE CITY.
OUR TECHNICAL ANALYSIS LOOKS AT THE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS WITHIN THE CITY OF PETALUMA.
SO IF THERE ARE, AS A RESULT OF REDUCTIONS WITHIN THE CITY, AN INCREASE IN EMISSIONS ELSEWHERE, IT WOULD NOT BE CAPTURED IN OUR TECHNICAL ANALYSIS.
UM, DID YOU HAVE A, SOMETHING TO CONTRIBUTE? UM, I WANNA JUST ADD SOMETHING REALLY QUICK IN RESPONSE TO BRETT'S QUESTION, UH, THAT WORDING I THINK CAME ABOUT BECAUSE OF A COUPLE OF CONCERNS THAT WE HAD A LOT OF OFFSETS, UM, A A SORT OF AMOUNT TO OFFSHORING OUR IMPACT TO SOMEPLACE ELSE.
AND THOSE OTHER PLACES, OF COURSE, ARE ALSO GONNA BE FACING THEIR OWN CARBON REDUCTION PROBLEMS. AND SO PART OF WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO GET AT WAS A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE SORT OF BE RESPONSIBLE WITHIN OUR OWN WATERSHED, WITHIN OUR OWN, YOU KNOW, BIOLOGICAL AREA.
UM, AND AGAIN, RECOGNIZING WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE LOOK LIKE RIGHT NOW, BUT TO BE SURE THAT WE WEREN'T JUST SORT OF PUSHING IT OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF MOVING THE RAT AND THE SNAKE AS IT WERE.
I CAN, I CAN ADD TO THAT A LITTLE BIT.
THAT'S EXACTLY, WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY WANT, WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY USE THE TERM OFFSETS, I DON'T THINK.
'CAUSE I THINK OUR INTENT WAS REALLY TO ENCOURAGE SEQUESTRATION IN NATURAL WORKING LANDS IN SON COUNTY AND, AND TO, YOU KNOW, UH, USE CITY FUNDS TO THAT INTENT.
YOU KNOW, SO YOU COULD, COULD SAY WE WERE INCREASING SEQUESTRATION IN THIS WAY, BUT N NOT IN THE SENSE OF OFFSET THAT YOU COULD BUY SOMEWHERE ELSE OR TRADABLE IN SOME KIND OF MARKET.
SO THAT WAS REALLY WHERE OUR INTENT WAS IN THAT.
SO I THINK THE LANGUAGE DOES GET A LITTLE, MAYBE IT'S, IT'S JUST KIND OF FALLING
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INTO A, A LANGUAGE THAT LEADS INTO A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS.MAYBE WE NEED TO CLARIFY THAT.
THAT'S SPECIFICALLY THE APPROACH THAT WE WANTED TO TAKE WAS A REGIONAL ONE THAT WAS BENEFICIAL TO OUR NATURAL, UH, NATURAL, NATURAL AND WORKING LANDS.
UM, COMMISSIONER MCKAYLAN, ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, JUST ONE QUESTION.
UM, BECAUSE OF BOTH THE, UH, IMPROVED ENVIRONMENTAL POTENTIAL AS WELL AS VISUAL POTENTIAL, UH, I'M, I'M INTERESTED IN HOW THE URBAN FORESTRY OR MORE UNDERSTANDING OF THE URBAN FORESTRY EFFORT, UM, WHAT WILL THE PROCESS BE TO DEVELOP IT? WHAT WILL THE SCOPE OF WORK BE? WHO WILL MANAGE IT, UM, OR MANAGE BY WHOM AND FUNDING TIME SCHEDULE, ALL THOSE QUESTIONS.
I'M NOT SURE, MAYBE I'M TOO EARLY TO ASK, ASK THOSE QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT.
THERE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL, UM, IN, UH, UNDER THE CORNERSTONE ACTION UF ONE.
SO WE HAVE, UH, BY 2027, UH, AND IT HAS SOME OF THE THINGS THAT IT WOULD INCLUDE, SO SUCH AS INVENTORY OF EXISTING TREES, ESTABLISHED A CITYWIDE MINIMUM TREE CANOPY COVER GOAL, UM, LOOKING AT MINIMUM TREE CANOPY GOALS FOR SPECIFIC LAND USE TYPES AND SCALES SUCH AS STREETS, RIGHT OF WAY, NEW DEVELOPMENT OPEN SPACES.
SO IT DOES HAVE KIND OF A, A, A GENERAL LIST OF THINGS THAT WILL BE INCLUDED.
UM, AND IT, I THINK IT SAYS, UH, JOINT EFFORT, UH, PUBLIC WORKS, PARKS AND REC AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AS THE, UH, RESPONSIBLE DEPARTMENTS FOR THAT.
UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT EFFORT HAS ALREADY BEEN INITIATED THROUGH GRANT FUNDS THAT WE GOT FROM THE U-S-D-A-A CAL FIRE GRANT.
YEAH, WE'VE BEEN PRETTY SUCCESSFUL.
YEAH, SO, SO I BELIEVE THE FUNDING'S THERE.
I THINK SOME OF THE INITIAL INFORMATION IS THERE MAYBE EVEN SOME OF THE, AM I REMEMBERING THAT WE HAVE SOME LIDAR INFORMATION THAT WAS DONE? THAT'S PART OF THE KYLE FIRE ONE? YEAH.
SO KIND OF IN PROCESS AND THEN THIS BUILDS ON THAT.
WELL, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS MORE RELATED TO WHO'S IN CHARGE, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, I, I UNDERSTAND THOSE THINGS ARE GOING ON, BUT UNDER THE, UNDER THE, IT'S NOT UNDER A FORCE MANAGEMENT SUPERVISION OR GOALS OR OBJECTIVES OR MANAGEMENT.
SO I'M NOT SURE HOW WE'RE ACCOMPLISHING A FORCE MANAGEMENT CONCEPT WHEN IT'S REALLY NOT ESTABLISHED YET.
SO RIGHT NOW I THINK IT IS UNDER PARKS AND REC IS THE ONE MANAGING THAT EFFORT.
UM, AND A LOT OF THOSE DETAILS, I THINK ARE TO BE FURTHER FLESHED OUT.
THE URBAN FORESTRY PLAN MIGHT BE THE OPPORTUNITY TO FLESH SOME OF THAT OUT TOO.
ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE INTO PUBLIC COMMENT FROM ANYBODY? OH, COUNCIL MEMBER SHRIMPS.
UM, JUST ONE THAT, THAT CAME UP.
UH, COMMISSIONER, UM, UH, PETERS MENTIONED THE, UM, UH, THE PARKING AND, AND METERS AND THINGS, UH, THE OTHER NIGHT.
SO JUST THE, UM, PARKING METERS AND HAVING RESIDENTS HAVING PERMITTINGS FOR THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS AND THINGS, IS THAT MORE, UH, IN THE STATEMENTS? IS THAT MORE OF A OPTION TO CONSIDER OR A STRATEGY THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO? I THINK THERE'S A, UM, THAT LITTLE TWEAK MIGHT BE HELPFUL 'CAUSE FOLKS ARE GO, UH, ALREADY CAN GOING, WHOA, WHAT ARE YOU DOING, UM, ABOUT THAT? AND HOW DOES THAT REALLY HELP GREENHOUSE GASES IN THE THING, UM, AND MISSIONS.
SO IS THERE SOME CLARITY ON OPTION VERSUS GOING TO HAPPEN? I WAS GONNA ASK FOR A SPECIFIC, UM, NUMBER, BUT ERIC IS ALWAYS ONE STEP AHEAD OF ME AND HAS IT PULLED UP? UM, STEPPING BACK, UH, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT TRAVEL DEMAND, UH, TWO OF THE MOST IMPORTANT STRATEGIES A COMMUNITY CAN USE IS TRANSPORTATION, DEMAND MANAGEMENT, AND PARKING MANAGEMENT.
THOSE ARE, UM, TWO OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, HAVE SOME OF THE MOST INFLUENCE ON HOW PEOPLE TRAVEL AROUND THE COMMUNITY.
WHETHER THEY CHOOSE TO TAKE ACTIVE MODES OF TRAVEL, WHETHER THEY CHOOSE TO TAKE TRANSIT OR MICRO MOBILITY OR SCOTERS OR ANY OF THE OTHER MODES OF TRAVEL THAT WE MIGHT TAKE.
BY INCREASING THE COST OF A TRIP,
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IT DECREASES THE LIKELIHOOD THAT SOMEONE WILL DO IT BY A VEHICLE.AND SO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT OUR GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS, IT'S OVER HALF OF THE PIE OF EMISSIONS WITHIN THE CITY OF PETALUMA, LIKE IT IS EVERYWHERE ELSE IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.
IN PARTICULAR, THOSE WHO ALREADY HAVE, UH, ENERGY THROUGH PLACES LIKE SONOMA CLEAN POWER.
SO IT IS ONE OF THE MOST EFFECTIVE STRATEGIES COMMUNITIES CAN TAKE TO REDUCE VEHICLE TRAVEL PARTICULARLY, AND TO REDUCE THOSE VEHICLE EMISSIONS.
SO IN THE DOCUMENT, CAN WE, UH, WHAT YOU'VE JUST SAID IS MUCH MORE CLEARER AS TO WHY, UM, IT WASN'T QUITE CLEAR ON WHY, UH, I COULD SEE IN THE DOCUMENT.
SO IT, CAN WE MODIFY THE LANGUAGE A LITTLE BIT TO, UH, USE WORDS THAT YOU'VE JUST EXPRESSED? THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD AT THIS POINT.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE? OH YEAH, GO AHEAD.
UH, I'M SORRY IF THIS IS MAYBE NOT AS RELATED, BUT FOR OSM TWO, I WAS WONDERING IF THAT INCLUDED, LIKE FOR SCHOOLS TO HAVE LIKE COMPOSTING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THERE ARE CURRENTLY LAWS IN PLACE, UM, FROM THE STATE, UH, SB 1383 THAT REQUIRES SCHOOLS TO HAVE COMPOSTING.
UM, IT, I DON'T HAVE THE OSM TWO OPEN IN FRONT OF ME, BUT UM, IT'S THE CARBON GARDENING CAMPAIGN.
SO I DON'T THINK THAT ONE SPECIFICALLY IS RELATED TO COMPOSTING IN SCHOOLS BECAUSE THAT SHOULD BE ALREADY BE TAKEN CARE OF BY, UM, STATE LAW.
THIS IS MORE OF LIKE, WHAT CAN PEOPLE DO IN THEIR HOMES, UM, OR AT SCHOOL TO ENCOURAGE THAT, UH, SEQUESTRATION OF CARBON THROUGH, UM, APPLICATIONS OF COMPOST, MULCH AND ET CETERA, UH, AT THEIR WORKPLACE, AT THEIR HOME IS, YEAH.
LOOKING ACROSS EVERYONE SEEMS CONTENT, SO WE WILL MOVE INTO PUBLIC COMMENT.
UH, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.
PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON, AND I'LL SKIP THIS STUFF ABOUT SEATING TIME.
UM, IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE SO ALREADY, PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD AND BRING IT TO THE CLERK.
SEEING NO RUNNING, I'VE GOT TWO SO FAR.
AND, UM, EACH SPEAKER WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT, AND IF YOU COULD ALSO CLERK, UH, LET US KNOW ABOUT RECEIVED COMMENTS BEFORE THE MEETING, PLEASE.
WE RECEIVED ONE PUBLIC COMMENT PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
IT HAS BEEN POSTED ONLINE, AND IT'S AVAILABLE FOR YOU IN THE BACK AS WELL.
THEN LET'S GO TO OUR IN-PERSON, PUBLIC COMMENT FROM RICHARD BRAUN BRAUN.
UM, I, UH, COMMEND EVERYBODY FOR THE WORK THAT THEY'VE PUT IN.
UM, BUT I COME HERE, UM, AS A TAXPAYER, I PAY FEDERAL TAXES, STATE TAXES, ALL THE TAXES.
I'M THE GUY THAT PAYS IT AND I'M HERE.
AND I, I I TAKE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE ON ALL OF THIS THAN PERHAPS YOU DO.
I SEE THIS DOCUMENT AS A CALL FOR A VAST EXPENDITURE OF RESOURCES, WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY IT'S VERY QUIET ON THE BENEFITS THAT WILL BE ACCRUING TO PETALUMA RESIDENTS.
AS A RESULT OF THIS, THE CITY ACKNOWLEDGES THAT, UH, DUE TO THE PERCEIVED URGENCY OF CLIMATE CHANGE, THE BLUEPRINT IS NOT A NORMAL MEANS OF CREATING PUBLIC POLICY.
THE BLUEPRINT PREMISE IS BASED ENTIRELY ON THE COUNCIL APPROVED CLIMATE EMERGENCY.
HOWEVER, STATE EMERGENCY DECLARATIONS ONLY APPLY TO INTERNAL GOVERNMENT POLICIES.
EMERGENCY DECLARATIONS INVOKE NO SPECIAL POWERS OVER WE THE PUBLIC.
NONETHELESS, THIS BLUEPRINT INVOKES A DECLARATION OF, UM, AS JUSTIFICATION FOR GOALS.
AND THE GOALS THEN, IN TURN PROVIDE JUSTIFICATION FOR NEW LAWS, NEW REQUIREMENTS, NEW TAXES, AND I'M SURE THAT WE'LL PROBABLY ALSO SEE SOME SORT OF OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE ON ALL OF THIS.
AND WHO'S, WHO'S GONNA PAY FOR IT? I MEAN, ARE WE SERIOUS ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE? OR IS THIS JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS
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THAT KIND OF ROLLED ALONG AND GOT BIGGER AND BIGGER AS TIME WENT ON? WELL, I, I'M NOT GONNA GO INTO MY DETAILS OF THE, OF, OF, OF WHAT WAS WRITTEN, BUT WHAT I DO WANNA POINT OUT IS THAT IF THIS IS A RAINBOW, WHERE'S THE POT OF GOLD? WHERE'S MY, WHERE'S MY, WHERE'S MY STUFF? WHERE'S THE STUFF FOR ME? THANK YOU.ALRIGHT, OUR SECOND AND FINAL PUBLIC SPEAKER IS NATASHA JULIANA.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL THE HARD WORK THAT WENT INTO THIS DOCUMENT.
I AM NATASHA JULIANA WITH COOL PETALUMA, AND WE DID A LOT OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ON THE FRONT END, UH, ABOUT A YEAR AGO.
AND SO WE ARE VERY EXCITED TO SEE THAT WE HAVE MADE IT THIS FAR AND WE HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU RECOMMEND THIS PLAN FOR ADOPTION SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THE LAST COMMENT, AND SO I WANT TO SAY WHY I'M HERE AND WHAT'S IN IT FOR ME.
I AM A PARENT OF A 20-YEAR-OLD, AND I AM REALLY WANTING TO BE A GRANDPARENT SOMEDAY, AND I AM DESPERATELY WORRIED ABOUT THE FUTURE THAT WE ARE LEAVING TO OUR CHILDREN AND OUR GRANDCHILDREN, AND OUR GREAT-GRANDCHILDREN, AS WE ARE SEEING RIGHT NOW HITTING FLORIDA A CUR H UH, CATEGORY FIVE HURRICANE.
I WATCHED A NEWS REPORT THIS MORNING WHERE THE METEOROLOGIST AND A WEATHERED METEOROLOGIST, YOU KNOW, HE'D BEEN THROUGH ALL THE STORMS BEFORE, AND HE WAS LITERALLY IN TEARS, SCARED FOR THIS HURRICANE, UNLIKE ANYTHING THAT HAS HIT THAT, UH, TAMPA BAY AREA BEFORE.
AND WHAT WE SAW IN ASHEVILLE, NORTH CAROLINA, WHICH WAS ONCE THOUGHT TO BE A SAFE HAVEN, A PLACE THAT YOU COULD BE SAFE FROM CLIMATE CHANGE, HAS BEEN COMPLETELY DEVASTATED.
AND SO AS A PARENT AND A FUTURE GRANDPARENT, AND TO ALL THE YOUNG PEOPLE I SEE IN OUR COMMUNITY, I REALLY HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS DOCUMENT.
UM, THE COST OF INACTION IS JUST WAY TOO HIGH, BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND, UH, THAT WE'RE SEEING ACROSS THE COUNTRY, ACROSS THE WORLD.
AND WE'RE ALSO LUCKY, AS WE HAVE, UM, HEARD BEFORE THAT THERE ARE LOTS OF GRANT OPPORTUNITIES THAT THIS CITY HAS BEEN VERY GOOD AT TAKING ADVANTAGE OF.
SO THERE IS MONEY OUT THERE THAT'S NOT FROM LOCAL TAXPAYERS, BUT THROUGH GRANTS AND THROUGH OTHER AGENCIES THAT AS PEOPLE RECOGNIZE THE DIRE THREAT AND THE TRUE COST OF INACTION.
SO PLEASE PASS THIS, UH, PLEASE, UH, UH, AND MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE IT, THE, THE CLOCK IS TICKING LATER.
WE REALLY NEED TO PROTECT THE FUTURE FOR THE NEXT GENERATION.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO OUR, UH, IN-ROOM SPEAKERS, I'LL ALSO SAY THAT THE BLUEPRINT FOR CLIMATE ACTION IS TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED TO COME BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL ON NOVEMBER 4TH.
UM, THE WRITTEN PUBLIC COMMENT OPTION WILL BE AVAILABLE ON ONCE THAT COUNCIL AGENDA IS PUBLISHED, AND YOU CAN ALSO MAKE IN-PERSON PUBLIC COMMENT, UM, AT THAT COUNCIL PUBLIC HEARING.
SO, ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES, UM, FOR THE NEXT MONTH OR SO, UH, AS, AS THIS PROCEEDS THROUGH ADDITIONAL BODIES, UM, IF FOLKS WANT TO CONTINUE PARTICIPATING.
UM, SO WITH THAT, WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT IN THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND THEN COME ON BACK FOR COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION BETWEEN THE JOINT BODIES, UM, FOLKS WHO HAVE THE ANNOTATED AGENDA IN FRONT OF THEM WILL SEE THAT WE'D LIKE TO FACILITATE THE DISCUSSION WITH ALL COMMISSIONERS THROUGH THE, UM, SEVEN ACTION PLANS, AND THEN AN EIGHTH OPPORTUNITY FOR SORT OF GENERAL DISCUSSION ON ADDITIONAL CORNERSTONE ACTIONS.
SO, UH, CHAIR, ASHLEY AND I WILL BE FACILITATING THIS DISCUSSION TOGETHER, AND WE'LL KICK IT OFF, UH, WITH ANY DISCUSSION ITEMS, COMMENTARY ON CLEAN ENERGY.
ACTUALLY WANTED TO JUMP IN ON THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY.
THERE'S A SPOT AT THE END FOR, UM, GENERAL DISCUSSION AND ADDITIONAL CORNERSTONE ACTION.
SO, UM, THAT'LL BE EIGHTH, THE EIGHTH ITEM.
BECAUSE IT GOES BY ACTION ITEM, AND THEN THAT'S FINE.
THEN THERE'S A ONE IN THE END FOR THAT.
UM, ON THE ENERGY POLICY, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP TONIGHT, UM, ABOUT THE NUMBERS OF FOLKS THAT, UH, IN OUR CITY THAT WILL ACTUALLY CONVERT TO, UH, 100% RENEWABLE ENERGY, UH, FROM SONOMA CLEAN POWER AS A GOOD MEASURE OF REACHING A GOAL, UM, WITHOUT HAVING TWIST ARMS, BUT MAYBE WITH SOME MOTIVATIONS AND ADVERTISING AND EDUCATION, WE CAN REACH A GOAL WHERE WE CAN GET, AND, AND MAYBE I'D LIKE TO EVEN SET A GOAL, UH, MAYBE AT LEAST, UH, 50 TO 80% OF OUR POPULATION WOULD BE ON THAT PROGRAM WITHIN SIX YEARS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UH, OR, OR A REASONABLE NUMBER THAT FOLKS COULD AGREE ON.
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SO, BUT SETTING THAT AS A GOAL, THAT WOULD REALLY HELP OUR POPULATION, WHICH WOULD BASICALLY BE THEIR WAY OF VOTING AND TELLING US THAT YES, WE AGREE AND, AND WE SUPPORT THIS CONCEPT OF BECOMING MORE, UM, ENERGY EFFICIENT AND ENERGY CONSCIOUS, UH, DOING THESE THINGS.SO GETTING A, UH, SETTING A HARDER GOAL OF, OF WHERE WE NEED TO BE, BECAUSE I THINK UPFRONT AND VERY BEGINNING, WE, WE, YOU SORT OF SAY WHAT SOME OF THE HARD GOALS NEED TO BE, BUT IT'S A BIT SOFT THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT FOR THE ACTUAL GOALS WE REALLY NEED TO MEET AND WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO MEASURE.
DID WE MEET THESE GOALS OR NOT, UH, BY SOME MEASURE IN USING REQUIRING DATA.
SO THAT WOULD BE A GOOD HARD POINT, UH, TO POINT TO, TO, TO SHOW THAT WE HAVE COOPERATION FROM OUR CITIZENSHIP TO ACTUALLY, UH, MOVE OUR HOUSEHOLDS IN THAT DIRECTION.
SO I WOULD SUPPORT MAYBE, UM, MAKING A HARDER GOAL AROUND, UM, MOVING INTO RENEWABLE ENERGY.
UM, I DID WANNA JUST SORT OF FRAME THIS DISCUSSION A LITTLE BIT SO THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS, UM, WHAT AT THE END OF THIS DISCUSSION, THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION WILL, UH, OR I WILL BE REQUESTING A MOTION FROM THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION IN ANY DIRECTION.
UM, AND WE WOULD NEED, IF WE WANTED TO MAKE ANY, UM, COMMENTS OR RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, ON CHANGES THAT, THAT WHAT WE THINK ARE NECESSARY, IT WOULD NEED TO BE BY CONSENSUS.
SO IF ANYBODY HAS A, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT THEY WANNA, SOME FEEDBACK THAT THEY WANNA GIVE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE, UM, DOCUMENT, THEN WE CAN DO THAT BY CONSENSUS IN THE MOTION AT THE END OF THIS DISCUSSION.
SO, I HOPE THAT, I HOPE THAT'S CLEAR.
AND JUST SPEAKING FROM EXPERIENCE ON PLANNING COMMISSION, HIGHLY RECOMMEND FOLKS NOTING THAT AS THEY GO, IF YOU'VE GOT A, A, YOU KNOW, COMMENT THAT'S ON THE LEVEL THAT YOU WANT TO BE CONSIDERED AS, UH, AN AMENDMENT OR A RECOMMENDATION ON THE MOTION TO JUST TAKE NOTE OF THOSE.
SO ONCE WE GET TO THE FINAL FEEDBACK FOR EACH COMMISSION, UM, YOU'VE, YOU'VE SORT OF GOT THOSE HANDY TO, TO DRAFT.
UM, AND SO SORT OF IN THAT VEIN, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT MAJOR THEMES.
WE'RE NOT DOING LIKE A PAGE BY PAGE, YOU KNOW, LINE BY LINE THING.
WE'VE ALREADY DONE THAT A LOT OF TIMES,
SO WE DO WANNA BE CONCISE IN THESE CON IN THESE, UM, COMMENTS SO THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, KEEP THIS MOVING AND GET ON, GET ONTO THE, UM, THE REST OF THE MEETING TOO.
I'LL MAKE, UH, TWO COMMENTS ON THE, UH, CLEAN ENERGY ACTION PLAN.
UM, AND I GUESS JUST TO SUPPORT COUNCIL MEMBER STRIPS, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NECESSARILY NEED TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT, UM, TO THE SUPPORTING THE A HUNDRED PERCENT RENEWABLE, BUT, UM, WHEN WE GET AROUND TO IMPLEMENTING THAT, I THINK ON THE ONE HAND, YES, WE SHOULD BE ENCOURAGING EVERYONE TO ADOPT A HUNDRED PERCENT RENEWABLE.
WE SHOULD ALSO BE INFORMING THEM WHERE THEIR ENERGY MIX IS CURRENTLY COMING FROM.
UH, AND AT SONOMA CLEAN POWER'S THURSDAY MEETING, THAT'S WHEN THEY VOTED TO ACCEPT THE NUCLEAR ENERGY ALLOCATION IN UNTIL 2030.
AND SO NOT ONLY, UH, DO YOU HAVE A CHOICE BETWEEN RENEWABLE ENERGY, YOU ALSO HAVE A CHOICE NOT TO PARTICIPATE IN NUCLEAR ENERGY.
AND SO THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY A COMMENT ON THIS DOCUMENT, BUT MORE WHEN WE GET AROUND TO THE IMPLEMENTATION, HOW DO WE ENCOURAGE THAT, UH, THAT'S AN IMPORTANT FACTOR.
UH, THE SECOND COMMENT I'D LIKE TO MAKE IS, UM, TO, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF APPRECIATION ON THE BIOGAS TOPIC.
UH, THERE WAS SOME AMOUNT OF CONVERSATION IT TOOK TO GET THOSE COUPLE ITEMS IN THERE, SO, UH, I THANK YOU FOR THAT.
UM, I DO THINK 2027 TO HAVE THOSE STRATEGIES IS A REASONABLE TIMELINE.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME KIND OF UPDATE IN ADVANCE OF THEM.
I THINK MOST OF THE PUBLIC IS STILL IN THE DARK ON THE EXISTENCE AND OPERATIONS OF THAT FACILITY.
AND AT THIS POINT, WE'RE ACTUALLY NOW STARTING TO SEE SOME, UM, QUESTIONABLE JOURNALISM AROUND THE TOPIC.
AND SO IN A TRANSPARENCY VACUUM, UH, THAT PROJECT HAS CREATED AN OPPORTUNITY FOR MISINFORMATION.
AND SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE CITY TO GET AHEAD OF THAT AND TO EXPLAIN WHAT WE ARE DOING WITH THAT FACILITY AND HOW IT IS AN IMPORTANT, UH, ASPECT OF OUR, UH, COMMITMENT TO CLIMATE ACTION.
UH, AND WITH THAT, UH, I WILL, UH, END ANYTHING ELSE ON CLEAN ENERGY.
ONTO BUILDINGS COMMENTARY, DISCUSSION ITEMS ON THE BUILDING SECTION, FINE IF WE HAVE NONE, BUT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERSHIPS, UM, THERE IS ONE OF THE, THE TIE-INS IS, UM, BETWEEN HOUSING AND TRANSPORTATION.
AND THAT NEEDS TO BE EMPHASIZED.
THERE WAS A, A COMMENTS ABOUT HOW IT'S TIED IN WITH ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN AND DOING THAT, BUT BUILDING, UM, NOT ONLY MEETING OUR ARENA STANDARDS, BUT EVEN GOING PAST THOSE, UH, WITH OUR INFILL PROCESSES, UH, SO THAT WE HAVE MORE HOUSING FOR OUR WORKFORCE SO THAT FEWER PEOPLE NEED TO BE COMMUTING HERE FROM OTHER CITIES, UH, NEEDS TO BE A, A HUGE
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STRATEGY.UM, AND IT'S SORT OF LIKE MENTIONED AND SORT OF, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE MORE UPFRONT THAT WE REALLY NEED MORE HOUSING FOR WORKFORCE TO, UM, TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF TRAVEL BETWEEN CITIES.
AND IF WE COULD DO THAT, AND, AND WHICH WOULD ALSO BE SUPPORTED BY, UH, FINDING FOLKS THE JOBS HERE AS WELL AS AT WHO WORK HERE ALREADY, OR WHO LIVE HERE ALREADY.
SO THAT STRATEGY IN COMBINATION WITH THE, WITH THE TRANSPORTATION, SO THAT'S PART OF BUILDING, BUT ALSO PART OF TRANSPORT AND SORT OF LIKE A, A CROSSOVER AND, UM, THE CROSS THAT REALLY KEY CROSSOVER NEEDS TO BE STRENGTHENED, I THINK, IN THE DOCUMENT.
I GUESS I'M GONNA LOOK TO STAFF A LITTLE BIT HERE.
ARE WE FACILITATING COMMENTARY IN A PRODUCTIVE AND USEFUL WAY,
WHAT WILL BE, WHAT, WHICH OF THESE, UM, THE MOTIONS, THE RESOLUTION WANT TO FORMALIZE AS A CONSENSUS COMMENT TO GO TO COUNCIL WILL BE, BUT THIS IS GREAT.
JUST, UM, AS FAR AS LIKE THE BUILDING AND ELECTRIFICATION, ARE WE PROMOTING ELECTRIFICATION STILL TO, IF SOMEBODY COMES IN WITH PLANS, OF COURSE, UH, WHERE WE ARE NOT ABLE TO REGULATE, WE ARE STILL REQUIRE RE REQUESTING, ENCOURAGING, PROMOTING ALL THOSE THINGS.
UM, AND THERE IS MORE AND MORE THROUGH, UM, THE GREEN BUILDING CODE, UM, REALLY IT, IT, IT BEING THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE IN SOME, IN SOME WAYS, TO DO ALL ELECTRIC, EVEN, UM, IN INSTANCES WHERE IT'S NOT REQUIRED.
ARE, ARE, UM, WOULD WE GIVE INCENTIVES TO GO IN THAT DIRECTION BECAUSE OF THE NINTH CIRCUIT? UM, WE CAN DO, THERE ARE REBATES.
THERE ARE, I BELIEVE THERE'S LAYERING REBATES THAT CAN HAPPEN.
LIKE, UM, I KNOW WHEN I DID MY HOME, I GOT MORE OF A REBATE BECAUSE I DID INSULATION AND HEATING AND COOLING OR SOME COMBINATION OF THINGS.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S INCENTIVES IN THOSE WAYS.
UM, AND THAT'S FOR, FOR BUILDING OR IF YOU'RE REMODELING OR RETROFITTING, YEAH, RETROFITTING, YEAH.
IF YOU'RE REPLACING YOUR FURNACE OR, UM, SO SONOMA CLEAN POWERS, UM, AS WELL AS BAY RENT ARE BOTH GOOD, GOOD SOURCES FOR THOSE REBATE REBATES, INCENTIVES.
BECAUSE I, I STILL WANNA GO THROUGH ELECTRIFICATION AND I JUST RATHER PUSH THAT.
AND SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE ARE THE, UH, RAMIFICATIONS OF THAT BERKELEY DECISION.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE ON, OH, GO AHEAD.
COUNCIL MEMBER TRIPS, UM, SINCE, UH, UH, BUILDING AND, UH, REBATES WAS JUST MENTIONED, UH, ONE OF THESE IS ANOTHER COMMENT IN MY, I'M BUILDING AN A DU IN MY GARAGE RIGHT NOW, AND BECAUSE IT'S A CONSIDERED NEW CONSTRUCTION RATHER THAN, UH, CONVERSION OF CURRENT, UM, UTILITIES IN MY HOUSE, I HAVE ZERO REBATES BASICALLY BEING OFFERED.
I'M TOLD I, BUT, UH, I CAN'T REALLY GO AFTER VERY MUCH, UM, IN THE REBATE AREA BECAUSE I'M, IT'S ALL CONSIDERED NEW CONSTRUCTION.
AND SO, UM, IF THERE'S ANY ENCOURAGEMENT TO MOTIVATE NEW CONSTRUCTION TO GO ELECTRIFICATION, WE REALLY NEED TO SUGGEST OR, OR PUSH OR RECOMMEND SOME SORT OF REBATE EITHER AT OUR STATE LEVEL OR EVEN AT THE LOCAL LEVEL TO, UH, TO SUPPORT, ESPECIALLY NEW CONSTRUCTION.
THAT'S LIKE IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADUS, PEOPLE'S PERSONAL PROPERTIES, UM, THAT NEEDS TO BE SUPPORTED MORE BY, UM, OUR CITY AND, AND HOPEFULLY COUNTY AND STATE.
BUT THIS IS AN AREA THAT I'M JUST F FOUND OUT THAT, YEAH.
UM, AND THAT, THAT REALLY HURTS ME THAT I GET ZERO REBATES BASICALLY ON ALL MY, UM, TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF, OF ELECTRIFICATION I'M DOING IN MY A DU.
ARE WE GOOD ON BUILDINGS? OKAY.
INTO TRANSPORTATION AND LAND USE DISCUSSION, COMMENTARY ON TRANSPORTATION AND LAND USE.
AND A T ONE, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE US CONSIDER ADDING INFORMATION, REFERRING TO CREATING AND ADOPTING COMPLETE STREET STANDARDS.
INCLUDING SPECIFICATIONS FOR TREE CANOPY, TREE TYPE, PLANTING AND CARE, STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, PEDESTRIAN
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BICYCLE INFRASTRUCTURE, TRANSIT STOPS, AND OTHER KEY CRITERIA.UM, WE MENTIONED COMPLETE STREETS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A DEFINITION OF WHAT WE MEAN BY THAT.
AND THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT STANDARDS, AND MOST OF THEM I THINK ARE INADEQUATE, UH, RELATIVE TO THE CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD ABOUT WHAT WE MEAN BY COMPLETE STREETS.
SO I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE FLUSH THAT OUT, UH, IN A BIT MORE DETAIL HERE, EVEN RECOGNIZING THAT THIS ISN'T THE STANDARDS, BUT TO SAY WHAT WE WANNA SEE THOSE STANDARDS COMPRISE.
AND JUST TO TAG ONTO THAT, THAT COMPLETE STREETS IS INCLUDING STORMWATER SYSTEMS AND TREES, URBAN FOREST SYSTEMS, AND THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE INTENTION OF THIS BODY.
AND USING THAT LANGUAGE IS JUST, 'CAUSE I HAVEN'T SPENT AS MUCH TIME WITH THIS DOCUMENT, IS, IS THERE A BROADER DEFINITION OF COMPLETE STREETS? AND THAT'S SORT OF WHY WE'VE NOT DEFINED IT HERE, OR IT'S SORT OF NEBULOUS ALL OVER THE PLACE.
SO SOMETIMES COMPLETE STREETS DOESN'T INCLUDE THE LANDSCAPE COMPONENTS AT ALL.
IT JUST REFERS TO PEDESTRIAN BIKE AND, YOU KNOW, CAR INFRASTRUCTURE ESSENTIALLY.
SO THEY'RE NOT REALLY COMPLETE.
AND THEN, SO THEN THERE'S GREEN STREETS, WHICH IS KIND OF TALKING ABOUT ALL THAT.
SO ANYWAY, SO WE'RE TRYING TO MUSH THEM IN TOGETHER AND TO REDEFINE WHAT WE MEAN BY COMPLETE STREETS VERY CLEARLY COMPLETE AND GREEN STREETS.
YEAH, AND I THINK THAT THE OTHER PIECE OF THAT IS, IS SOME PORTION OF IMPERVIOUS PAVEMENT REDUCTION WHEN IT'S NOT USEFUL.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE PAYING A LOT TO MAINTAIN PAVING THAT'S CAUSING URBAN HEAT ISLAND EFFECTS AND REDUCING OUR INFILTRATION AND SEQUESTRATION AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND SO PART OF THE GOAL OF COMPLETE STREETS SHOULD BE, UH, IMPERVIOUS PAVEMENT REDUCTION WHEN IT'S NOT USEFUL.
SO DEFINING COMPLETE STREETS DEFINITION, OR, YEAH.
SO YOU, UM, WAIT, IS IT, WE DO NOT HAVE A COMPLETE STREETS POLICY? IS THAT WHAT I HEARD? THERE'S MENTION, THERE'S MENTION OF COMPLETE STREETS IN A T ONE.
BUT MY POINT IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE A WORKING DEFINITION AS A CITY.
AND THE CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD, I THINK WE'RE PRETTY CLEAR, YOU KNOW, AS ANN JUST AMPLIFIED ON WHAT WE BELIEVE A COMPLETE STREET IS, BUT THAT'S NOT BY ANY MEANS A UNIVERSAL STANDARD.
SO I GUESS WHAT I'M HEARING, WE NEED TO CREATE THAT GUESS IN TERMS OF LIKE, UM, A CONSENSUS BASED AGREEMENT.
WE COULD, I GUESS, PERHAPS ALL COMPREHEND YOUR DEFINITION AND SOMEHOW AGREE TO THAT, OR WE COULD POSSIBLY AGREE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A DEFINITION OR A POLICY.
AND I THINK THAT LADDER SEEMS PRETTY ACHIEVABLE IN A CONSENSUS BASED THING.
SO I AM WITH YOU THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A DEFINITION OF THAT, WHERE WE CAN WORK TO INCLUDE ALL THAT.
SO, AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE, UM, IF, IF THAT IS GOING TO BE A RECOMMENDATION.
I, I LIKED THE WAY, UH, THAT YOU PUT IT IN TERMS OF DEFINING AND HAVING A POLICY THAT INCLUDES THE BREADTH OF, AND HAD THOSE THINGS AS OPPOSED TO CRAFTING A DEFINITION RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW.
YEAH, I'M, I'M GOOD WITH THAT.
SO, AND, AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TOO, I THINK THE REASON WHY YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT APPROACH IS BECAUSE YOU WOULD LOOK FOR COMPLETE STREETS TO BE DEFINED IN YOUR PUBLIC WORKS STREETS DESIGN MANUAL.
AND SO YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE LOCATING BOTH THAT DEFINITION AND THEN ANY SUBSEQUENT, UM, STANDARDS IN THE APPROPRIATE MANUAL WITHIN THE APPROPRIATE, UH, DEPARTMENT OR AGENCY.
SO TO GIVE DIRECTION ON WHAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO SEE IN A DEFINITION OF COMPLETE STREETS WOULD BE HELPFUL THEN TO, UH, THE PRODUCTION OF THAT MANUAL SUBSEQUENTLY.
SO, SO JUST TO SUMMARIZE, WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GONNA, UM, MAKE A SUGGESTION OF WHAT WE WANTED ONE INCLUDED IN A DEFINITION OF COMPLETE STREETS THAT YOU ALL GONNA CRAFT, UM, THAT WE WILL THEN FORWARD THAT TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO ADD SOME LANGUAGE INTO THIS THAT, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE WHAT THIS A T ONE SAYS IS TO, AND I JUST HAD IT UP, UM, A T ONE SAYS, ESTABLISHING COMPLETE STREET POLICY AND INCORPORATING, SO IT WOULD BE MODIFYING A T ONE TO THEORETICALLY SAY, ESTABLISH COMPLETE STREETS POLICY, INCLUDING DEFINITION THAT ENCOMPASSES, AND THAT WOULD BECOME THE ACTION, RIGHT.
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SORRY, SORRY.STILL KNEW WHAT THIS, UH,
IT SAYS, TO THE EXTENT PRACTICAL, INTEGRATE STREET TREES AND GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE INTO, INTO PLANNED PUBLIC ROAD IMPROVEMENTS TO ONE, IMPROVE AIR AND WATER QUALITY.
TWO, CREATE MORE INVITING STREETS.
THREE, CREATE STREETS THAT ARE MORE RESILIENT TO EXTREME HEAT AND PRECIPITATION EVENTS CAUSED BY CLIMATE CHANGE.
UM, AND SO THAT, UH, UH, IS SOME OF THAT DOESN'T GET TO THE PURPLE PIPES PART OF IT, BUT, UH, OR BIKE INFRASTRUCTURE I THINK WAS ANOTHER COMPONENT.
YEAH, GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE, I THINK, I MEAN, I THINK THE OTHER APPROACH IS JUST TO NOT USE THIS COMPLETE STREETS TERM, YOU KNOW? UM, 'CAUSE IT'S NOT THAT WELL DEFINED, YOU KNOW, AND JUST BE SPECIFIC WHAT WE WANT IN THERE.
I THINK MY IS AND STREETSCAPE STANDARDS, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? TO NOT LABEL IT, BUT JUST SAY, STREETSCAPE STANDARD SHALL INCLUDE YEAH, JUST, JUST 'CAUSE I THINK THE TERM COMPLETE STREETS IS A LITTLE BIT WANDERING AROUND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND SO WE CAN DEFINE IT, BUT I THINK OTHER PEOPLE MIGHT LATCH ONTO IT IN A DIFFERENT SENSE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S JUST A, A DIFFERENT WAY OF DOING THIS IS ALL I'M SUGGESTING.
SO I HAVE A, UM, A COMMENT OF TWO, TWO SECTIONS THAT I DEAL WITH.
BASICALLY, SAME THING ON TRANSPORTATION.
UM, SINCE TRANSPORTATION PARTICULARLY IS OUR NUMBER ONE ISSUE AROUND GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS, UM, AND IT'S STATED UPFRONT, WE REALLY NEED TO REDUCE THAT DOWN.
AND WE HAVE THESE STRATEGIES DOWNLOADED AND, AND MANY TIMES WE REFER TO, OH, THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
AND SO I'M HOPING TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE STRONGER LANGUAGE ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS AND, AND WHAT THE GOAL REALLY IS.
SO THE ONE COMPONENT WOULD BE, UM, LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY.
WE HAVE FOLKS ALREADY SEEING OUR INFILL AND NUMBER OF POPULATION INCREASE, ESPECIALLY WITH URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARIES, SINCE WE ARE NOT EXPANDING OUT, WE HAVE TO INFILL IN MORE PEOPLE ON SAME ROADS, MORE DENSITY OF TRAFFIC, MORE DIFFICULTY IN PARKING.
AND PEOPLE ARE, HAVE NOTICED THIS AND, AND THEY'RE GOING, OKAY, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR THE FUTURE FOR OUR PARKING AND OUR CONGESTION? UH, SO, UM, TO SOLVE THIS ISSUE AND TO REMOVE THE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS WE NEED TO GET OUT OF OUR CARS.
AND WE HAVE TO BE VERY CLEAR ON THAT, UM, THAT WE NEED TO CHANGE OUR MODE OF, UM, OF TRAVEL, UM, MORE THAN JUST, OH, THE ACT OF TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
WE NEED TO CHANGE OUR MODE OF TRAVEL TO PUBLIC TRANSIT AS WELL AS, UM, A PERSONAL ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION.
AND, UM, AND WE NEED TO HAVE THAT MEASURED AS, HERE'S ANOTHER GOAL.
UM, BECAUSE I THINK UP RIGHT UP FRONT IN YOUR, IN THE GENERAL COMMENTS OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO, WE REALLY NEED TO GET DOWN TO LIKE 85, REDUCE, GET OUTTA THE CARS 85% OF THE TIME.
UM, EVEN IF WE CAN GET TO, IF I, IF WE CAN GET TO 25% BY 2030, I'D BE HAPPY.
BUT IF WE CAN SET A, UM, AGAIN, UM, A, A GOAL WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE SAYS, IF WE COULD ENCOURAGE FOLKS TO GET OUTTA THEIR CARS, AT LEAST THIS X PERCENT, WHETHER IT BE 30 50, UH, BY 2030 TO HELP MEET THIS PARTICULAR GOAL, UM, 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT'S GONNA TAKE.
AND WE NEED TO BE VERY CLEAR AND THIS IS WHAT IT'S REALLY GONNA TAKE.
'CAUSE IF WE ARE SOFT ON THAT, IT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE BEHAVIORS.
IT'S NOT GONNA, BECAUSE THE FOLKS ARE GONNA HAVE A HARD TIME CHANGING THIS PARTICULAR BEHAVIOR UNLESS WE SORT OF SAY, WE REALLY NEED TO DO THIS, GUYS, IF WE'RE GONNA DO, DO THIS WHOLE PLAN AND IT'S OUR NUMBER ONE THING WE HAVE TO DO, ALL THE S IS LIKE SMALL COMPARED TO THIS ONE THING.
SO, UM, SO I PROPOSE THAT WE BE MORE CLEAR ON THAT SO THAT WE ACTUALLY SET UP A MEASURE OF NUMBER OF VEHICLE TRIPS, NUMBER OF TRIPS TAKEN IN THE CITY, NUMBER OF VEHICLES BEING PASSING BY IN THE STREET.
WE NEED TO GET THAT DOWN, CUT THAT BY AT LEAST 25%, IF NOT 50% BY 2030.
THAT WOULD BE THE, THE REAL GOAL THAT WE'RE REALLY AFTER.
UM, AND THE WAY TO DO THAT, AND THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT IS, UM, THE PUBLIC TRANSPORT OF MAYBE SOME FOLKS THINKING OF ELECTRIC CARS, BUT WE'RE REALLY GONNA HAVE TO GO AFTER OTHER THINGS.
AND, UM, I'VE, I'VE, YOU'VE PROBABLY HEARD ME MENTION MICRO MOBILITY AS BESIDES YOUR EV BIKES AND, AND THE OLDER FOLKS ARE GOING, AND THIS IS THE TIE IN WITH OUR POPULATION, WHICH NEEDS TO BE TIED IN WITH 35% OF OUR POPULATION BEING OVER 65 NOW AND GOING INCREASE, UM, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF OLDER FOLKS MOVING UP HERE FROM SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA OVER TIME WHO CAN AFFORD OUR HOUSING.
UM, THAT POPULATION IS GOING TO INCREASE IN A PERCENTAGE, IS MY PREDICTION.
AND SO TO BE ASKING THESE OLDER FOLKS TO GET OUT OF THEIR GAS CARS,
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UM, TWO WAYS OF DOING THAT, ONE IS, YEAH, YOU GO TO ELECTRIC CAR, BUT THAT REALLY DOESN'T SOLVE OUR CONGESTION PROBLEM.BUT WE REALLY NEED TO CHANGE OUR MINDSET ABOUT BIKE LANES AND TO BE SENIOR MOBILITY LANES IS THE ACTUAL WORDS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN, IN THERE.
BECAUSE A SENIOR MOBILITY LANE MEANS THEY'RE GONNA BE TAKING THESE VEHICLES THAT ARE BEING DEVELOPED RIGHT NOW.
UH, THEY'RE NOT REALLY, THEY'RE BIG IN OTHER COUNTRIES, BUT THEY'RE NOT VERY BIG HERE.
BUT THERE'S HUGE NUMBERS OF INNOVATIONS FOR SOMETHING THAT'S HAP THAT'S BIGGER THAN A WHEELCHAIR, BUT SMALLER THAN A CAR.
AND SO THESE, UM, SMALLER VEHICLES THAT ARE LIMITED IN, IN SIZE AND SHAPE, BUT ARE COMPLETELY ENCAPSULATED WITH RADIO AND ENVIRONMENTAL CONTROL AND, AND VERY LOVELY TO BE IN SLOW MOVING, SORT OF LIKE A, A A MERCEDES OF A GAS CART.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE REALLY NEED TO GO.
THAT'S MY PREDICTION OF WHERE, WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GO TO REALLY MEET THIS ON A WORLDWIDE BASIS.
AND IT'S HAPPENING WORLDWIDE NOW IN OTHER COUNTRIES.
AND, UM, BIKE CHANGING, THE IDEA OF MORE THAN A BIKE LANE, IT'S, I DON'T WANNA BE CON CONSTRICTED TO BIKE LANES.
SO THAT MOVEMENT AWAY FROM THAT LANGUAGE, UH, TO THE STRATEGY OF SENIOR MOBILITY AS WELL AS BIKE LANES, UM, TO GET THAT GOING AND WHICH BRINGS TO MIND THAT IT'S, UH, THE LANGUAGE AGAIN SAYS COMPLETE STREETS, SAFE STREETS, UH, ZERO, UH, VISION TYPE LANGUAGE.
BUT AGAIN, REFERENCE TO THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
AND IN THERE THERE MIGHT BE SOME THINGS ABOUT BIKE PATHS AND WAYS AND WAYFINDING, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE MORE SPECIFIC, UH, STATEMENTS IN THIS DOCUMENT ABOUT SAFE AND COMPLETE PATHWAYS.
NOT JUST STREETS, BUT PATHWAYS, WHICH INCLUDES, UM, BOTH THE BIKE LANES IN THE STREETS, BUT ALSO COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT PEDESTRIAN AND, UH, UM, BICYCLE AND SENIOR MOBILITY LANES AND PATHWAYS.
SO THAT LANGUAGE IS NOT IN THIS DOCUMENT AT ALL.
UM, AND SO I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING IN THAT, ON THAT ORDER TO BE INCLUDED ANYWAY, SO THOSE 'CAUSE TO REALLY MAKE TRANSPORTATION CHANGE AND TRANSFORM HERE IN THE NEXT 20 YEARS, THIS IS WHERE WE NEED TO GO AND THIS HAS GOTTA BE OUR NUMBER ONE THING THAT WE DO, UM, BESIDES THE GETTING THE KIDS BACK TO SCHOOL, UM, ON, ON THESE, ON VARIOUS VEHICLES.
ANYWAY, SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY MAIN COMMENT, MY MAIN CONCERN ABOUT THIS WHOLE DOCUMENT.
IF I COULD JUST SUMMARIZE PART OF YOUR COMMENT, WHICH WAS YOU WERE LOOKING FOR A MODE SHIFT INVENTORY.
DOES THAT, IS THAT SOUND ACCURATE? SO YES, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A, UM, A MEASURE OF, RIGHT, UM, ACTUAL LOWER VIEW, UH, VIEW, UM, CAR TRIPS OKAY.
AND THEN THE OTHER PART WAS, WAS, UH, THE SENIOR MOBILITY, RIGHT, REMAINS TO BE THE SECOND PART WITH THE SAFE STREET SAFE TRAILS ON THAT FIRST PART.
I'M CURIOUS IF WE HAVE ANYTHING IN THE IMPLEMENTATION ALREADY THAT WOULD SORT OF CAPTURE THAT MODE SHIFT THE, THE, THE WHAT WE HOPE TO BE MODE SHIFT
UM, IS THAT ALREADY SORT OF PART OF OUR, UM, SUCCESS MEASURES? THE, THERE'S A SERIES OF PERFORMANCE AND EQUITY MEASURES THAT WERE OUTLINED FOR EACH OF THE DIFFERENT STRATEGIES IN THE, UM, CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, INCLUDING MODE SHARE, UM, MEASURES FOR THOSE BIKE WALK, TRANSIT AND OTHER MODES OF TRAVEL THAT WE WOULD COME BACK TO AND UPDATE AND SEE HOW WE'RE DOING.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT MIGHT ALREADY BE IN THERE.
THOSE WORDS ARE SOFT SOUND, VERY SOFT TO ME.
AND WE NEED TO BE MORE SPECIFIC, UH, WHICH IS WE NEED TO MEASURE THE NUMBER OF CART TRICKS.
SORRY, YOUR MIC IS OFF CARD TRICKS, PERIOD.
AND, AND TALK ABOUT ALL THESE MODE SHIFTS.
I WAS LOOKING FOR SOMETHING A LITTLE HARDER THAN UH, UM, ON, UH, NOT JUST, OH, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME MODE SHIFTS AND WE'RE GONNA MEASURE THIS AND THAT.
UH, AND AND THE LANGUAGE THAT'S BEING USED AGAIN IS SOFT.
I'M LOOKING FOR A HARDER MEASURE.
NUMBER OF CAR TRIPS NEED TO BE REDUCED BY 50% AND WE'RE GONNA MEASURE THAT BY 2030.
UH, COMMISSIONER RAY, UM, CAN WE JUST BASICALLY CHANGE SOMETHING THAT SAYS SENIOR MOBILITY TO SENIOR AND DISABLED MOBILITY? BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT WHEELCHAIR USE, IT'S JUST NOT EV CHAIR OR EV VEHICLE USE IS, WE DON'T MAKE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ANY OTHER DISABILITIES AND THERE ARE MAJOR SIX TYPES OF DISABILITIES AND THEY ARE AFFECTED BY TRANSPORTATION JUST AS MUCH AS I AM IN MY WHEELCHAIR.
COUNCIL
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ONGOING ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN MIGHT BE A RESOURCE WE CAN HARMONIZE DEFINITIONS FROM THERE WITH THIS PLAN.THAT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE THOSE BE CONSISTENT.
UH, I'M GOING TO TAKE, THIS IS ABOUT PLANNING, OR EXCUSE ME, PLANNING AND TRANSPORTATION, CORRECT.
UM, SO I THINK, AND I KIND OF INTIMATED THIS BEFORE WITH MY COMMENTS ABOUT PARKING MANAGEMENT AND TRANSPORTATION DEMAND MANAGEMENT.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THE AREAS THAT ADVOCATE FOR THAT DO, AND MAYBE IT'S IMPLICIT AND THAT THIS IS UNNECESSARY, BUT DO HAVE KIND OF ROBUST COMMUNITY INPUT.
YOU KNOW, WHEN I READ TRANSPORTATION DEMAND MANAGEMENT, MY DAY JOB IS I WORK WITH A LOT OF SMALL BUSINESSES, UH, AND REVISING THE TDM POLICY FOR ALL EMPLOYERS THAT REQUIRE EMPLOYERS TO SUBMIT AN EMISSION REDUCTION PLAN TO MEET THE CITY'S GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTION TARGET.
IF THAT MEANS LIKE ANYONE WITH AN EIN NUMBER, UM, YOU'RE GONNA BE INCORPORATING SOME PEOPLE WHERE THIS IS KIND OF AN ONEROUS BUSINESS PREVENTION THING.
UM, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, AS MUCH AS WE KNOW WE NEED TO MAKE CHANGE, WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE THIS A BLUDGEON THAT UNNECESSARILY CAUSES HARM TO GET THERE.
UM, AND SO WITH T DM ONE, I'M NOT GONNA PROPOSE A CHANGE RIGHT NOW.
YOU KNOW, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE AN ANALYSIS OF IS THERE AN APPROPRIATE THRESHOLD, LIKE I SAID, SINGLE PERSON WITH AN EIN NUMBER, PROBABLY NOT.
UM, AND I DON'T WANNA TRY TO BUILD CONSENSUS AROUND THIS RIGHT NOW, BUT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT.
I THINK PARKING MANAGEMENT, I WOULD JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS A ROBUST COMMUNITY DISCUSSION PROCESS.
'CAUSE IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE METERS WERE EVENTUALLY TAKEN OUT BECAUSE AGAIN, THEY WERE PREVENTING ECONOMIC VITALITY DOWNTOWN.
UM, NOW I DON'T WANT TO CHARACTERIZE IT THAT WAY AND I DON'T WANT TO TRY TO BUILD CONSENSUS ON THAT.
I WOULD JUST LOVE TO HAVE THAT NOTICED AND, UH, PASSED ON IN SOME FORM.
AND MAYBE THAT'LL BE ME GOING TO THE COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON IT TO RAISE IT AS AN INDEPENDENT CITIZEN.
UM, ON THE LAND USE SIDE, THE BIG THING THAT I WAS LOOKING AT WAS SB 10.
UM, I BROUGHT IT UP BEFORE THERE WAS A GIANT FIGHT IN SAN DIEGO OVER THIS.
THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WEIGHED IN.
IT KIND OF HAS PERVERSE ECONOMIC IMPACTS THAT DON'T NECESSARILY ADD TO HOUSING INVENTORY, UM, AS YOU KIND OF INSERT THAT INTO AN EXISTING, ESPECIALLY IN LARGELY SINGLE FAMILY HOME REGULATORY ENVIRONMENTS.
AND I KNOW OUR GOAL IS TO KIND OF BREAK UP THAT MONOTONY, BUT I THINK SB 10, AND I'VE READ A BIT OF LITERATURE ABOUT IT, OF COURSE THERE'S TWO SIDES TO EVERY STORY, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS REJECTED BY SAN DIEGO EVENTUALLY AFTER THEIR MAYOR WANTED IT.
UH, BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION AND IT ACTUALLY HAD NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON SOME OF THE GOALS IT WAS TRYING TO PURSUE.
UM, I COULDN'T FIND A LOT MORE ABOUT OTHER MU MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAVE ADOPTED IT.
SO THAT ONE I WAS GONNA PUT UP FOR A STRAW POLL.
I DON'T KNOW, COMMISSION MEMBERS HERE HAVE PROBABLY ALREADY DISCUSSED THIS TO DEATH ON THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION, BUT I WAS GONNA TAKE A QUICK STRAW POLL TO SEE IF ANYONE ALSO SUPPORTED REMOVING THAT FROM THIS LAND USE SECTION OF THIS KIND OF MANDATED DIRECTION TOWARD SB 10.
IF THERE'S ANY SUPPORT FOR THAT OR IF PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT REMAIN, OR IF SOMEONE HAS A RESPONSE TO THAT OF, YOU KNOW, WHY IT'S REALLY EFFECTIVE.
I JUST THOUGHT I'D PUT THAT OUT.
DO, WHERE'S THE REFERENCE SB 10.
THAT WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE TO START.
IT'S TRANSPORTATION AND LAND USE MEASURE ONE.
SO TL UC SLASH ONE PAGE NUMBER, SOME POINT E.
YEAH, AND IT'S LOOKS LIKE IT'S PART E OF TLUC ONE EXAMINED REZONING TO ALLOW FOR LIGHT TOUCH MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING UP TO 10 UNITS PER ACRE.
UM, IMPLEMENTING STREAMLINING PROVISIONS ESTABLISHED AN SB 10.
AND THAT'S, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A RE SB 10 ISN'T 10 UNITS PER ACRE, IT'S 10 UNITS TO ANY PARCEL.
UM, AND I KNOW THERE'S SPECIFICITY THERE, BUT, SO, AND ALSO, UM, COMMISSIONER RICKSON, I JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT IT SAYS EXAMINE.
SO IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY SAYING, LOOK INTO THIS AS IS THIS SOMETHING CITY OF PETALUMA THAT YOU WANNA DO? UM, SO JUST, JUST KIND OF POINTING THAT OUT THAT IT'S NOT, I I DON'T READ THAT AS MANDATING THAT WE DO SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE THE OPTION NOT TO, BUT, UM, BUT TO LOOK AT IT.
UM, BUT HEATHER, THE, THE NEXT SENTENCE STARTS WITH AN IMPERATIVE IMPLEMENT.
I THINK YOU COULD FIX THAT BY CHANGING THAT TO EXAMINE AND REZONING BLAH, BLAH, BLAH COMMA, AND IMPLEMENTING, IN OTHER WORDS, EXAMINE, REZONING AND IMPLEMENTING.
SO MAYBE, AND I'M, I, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S PROBABLY MOST PRODUCTIVE TO GET INTO A LARGER A, A DISCUSSION ABOUT SB 10 RIGHT
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NOW, UM, AND THE NUANCES OF IT.BUT IF, IF THAT CHANGE IN THAT LANGUAGE TO TAKE, LET'S SEE, EXAMINE REZONING TO ALLOW FOR LIGHT TOUCH MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING UP TO 10 UNITS PER ACRE, IMPLEMENT STREAMLINING PROVISIONS ESTABLISHED IN SB 10.
IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO, I LIKE AND SUGGESTION TO GET RID OF THE PERIOD TO KIND OF IMPLY THAT THE IMPLEMENTATION IS UNDER EXAMINATION AS WELL AND WHAT WE HAVE TO DO VERSUS WHAT WE HAVE THE OPTION TO DO.
AND HEATHER, I WOULD PROBABLY ADD SB 6 84 TO THAT AS WELL, WHICH IS, UM, NEW LEGISLATION THAT I BELIEVE WAS JUST ADOPTED, UH, LAST MONTH.
DO YOU HAVE THE 10,000 FOOT VIEW ON THAT ONE, ANDREW? IT'S, UH, IT PROVIDES FOR A MINISTERIAL REVIEW PROCESS FOR DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS OF 10 UNITS OR FEWER ON URBAN LOTS UNDER FIVE ACRES.
SO IT'S, IT'S A PRETTY INTERESTING LEGISLATION.
AND THAT SEEMED LIKE THE ONE PART THAT WAS MISSING FROM SB 10 WAS THAT MM-HMM.
SO DO WE WANNA DO A QUICK STRAW POLL ON WHETHER WE WANT TO ADJUST OR RECOMMEND ADJUSTMENT OF TLUC ONE E ON PAGE 66 OF THE PDF? I KNOW WE DIDN'T WANT TO GET INTO REDLINING HERE, BUT
SO IF YOU OH, GO AHEAD, HEATHER.
WELL, UM, I, YOU KNOW, THAT CAN ALSO BE SOMETHING THAT, THINKING AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THESE COMMENT, WHICH ONES ARE RISING TO, HEY, LET'S TAKE A STRAW POLL OF EACH COMMISSION, UM, WHEN YOU MAKE THE MOTION TO INCLUDE THAT FEEDBACK.
SO THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE, THERE'S BEEN MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT.
UM, SO THAT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE TOO.
ANYTHING ELSE ON TRANSPORTATION AND LAND USE? I'VE, UM, I HAVE A COMMENT.
UM, THE, FOR THE PARKING MANAGEMENT STRATEGY, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD, THE FIRST TWO SENTENCES, UH, THAT EXPLAIN IT ARE, UM, I WOULD SAY USE NEGATIVE LANGUAGE AND IT, AND RATHER THAN TRYING TO MODIFY THOSE SENTENCES TO, UH, BE POSITIVE, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF JUST ELIMINATING THE FIRST TWO SENTENCES OF THAT PARAGRAPH.
WHAT PAGES? UH, WHAT IS THAT? PAGE 59 OR SOMETHING? YEAH, LET'S SEE.
UM, WELL, LET'S SEE NOW, SORRY.
OR TWO SENTENCES OF THE INITIAL
DYNAMIC PARKING MANAGEMENT OFTEN LIMITS THE AMOUNT OF PARKING AVAILABLE, CREATING SCARCITY AND ADDING INCONVENIENCE TO TRIPS MADE BY SOVS, THUS DISINCENTIVIZING DRIVING, REDUCING THE CONVENIENCE OF DRIVING RESULTS IN A SHIFT TO OTHER MODES AND DECREASED VMT
UM, I JUST, I DON'T THINK THOSE TWO SENTENCES ARE HELPFUL IN THIS, AND I THINK THEY COULD BE, UH, USED OR ABUSED.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND SO I WOULD PREFER TO MAKE THEM POSITIVE MORE LIKE, UM, WHAT, HOW YOU HAD EXPLAINED IN THE EARLIER CONVERSATION AROUND PARKING MANAGEMENT OF, YOU KNOW, DYNAMIC PARKING MANAGEMENT ENCOURAGES ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION, YOU KNOW, AND MAKES THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE.
UM, SO THAT WOULD BE THE SENTENCE I WOULD USE, UH, VERSUS THOSE FIRST TWO, UM, YOU KNOW, AND OR JUST ELIMINATING THOSE TWO SENTENCES.
SO WE CAN DO A STRAW POLL ON THAT, BUT THAT WOULD BE, UH, MY FAVORITE NOT TO, UH, INCLUDE SOME POTENTIAL LANDMINES IN THE DOCUMENT.
WE CAN COME BACK TO THAT WHEN WE MOVE TOWARDS THE ADDITIONS FOR MOTIONS.
ANYTHING ELSE ON TRANSPORTATION LAND USE? OKAY.
THEN I'LL TURN IT OVER TO CHAIR ASHLEY TO, UH, CARRY US ON.
UM, HERE IT SAYS THE NEXT SECTION IS RESOURCE CONSUMPTION.
I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY WATER IN HERE, BUT LET'S JUST DO RESOURCE CONSUMPTION.
ANY, ANY, UH, DISCUSSION ITEMS?
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EXCELLENT.ALL RIGHT, NEXT ONE IS WATER
TRANSPORTATION IS THE HOTTEST TOPIC TONIGHT.
UM, SO WE DID RESOURCE CONSUMPTION WATER, AND WE'RE ON SEQUESTRATION.
UM, UM, THIS IS A LITTLE CHALLENGING TO BE CONCISE ABOUT, SORRY.
UM, BUT THE, THE INTENTION OF THE CHAPTER WAS NATURAL SYSTEMS AND SEQUESTRATION, UM, BUT OFTEN IT BECOMES SEQUESTRATION AND NATURAL SYSTEMS. AND SO THE OBJECTIVE IS NOT JUST SEQUESTRATION.
THE OBJECTIVE IS TO PRESERVE, ENHANCE, RESTORE, AND CONNECT NATURAL SYSTEMS AND WHERE APPROPRIATE TO IMPROVE SEQUESTRATION.
AND SO WHAT HAPPENS IN THIS PARAGRAPH AS YOU GO BACK AND FORTH, THE TERM OPEN SPACES LANDS IN A LOT OF PLACES AND, UM, BECOMES A TARGET FOR SEQUESTRATION.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO SEPARATE OUT OSM FOUR AND JUST TALK ABOUT NATURAL OPEN SPACES WILL BE, UM, PRESERVED CONNECTED WILDLIFE CORRIDORS RESTORATION, STEWARDSHIP ENHANCED, UM, BUT NOT SOLELY FOR THE PURPOSE OF SEQUESTRATION.
WE'RE LIVING IN A BIODIVERSITY HOTSPOT, AND WE HAVE A BIODIVERSITY TWI CRISIS THAT'S TWIN TO THE CLIMATE CRISIS.
AND SO WE NEED TO DO NO FURTHER HARM TO OUR NATURAL SYSTEMS, WHICH WAS THE INTENT IN THIS PARAGRAPH.
AND SO, SO CLARITY IN THE USE OF THE TERM.
SO, OPEN SPACES SHOULD ALWAYS LAND WITH NATURAL SYSTEMS AND NOT SEQUESTRATION.
SEQUESTRATION COULD GO TOWARD URBAN FOREST, UH, MANAGEMENT OF LANDSCAPE AREAS, UM, ANY TYPE OF URBAN LANDSCAPE AREA.
AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY BACKYARDS, FRONT YARDS, ET CETERA.
UM, AND, AND I'VE ALREADY SEEN SIGNIFICANT HARM HAPPEN TO NATURAL SPACES IN OUR COMMUNITY FROM PEOPLE PLANTING TREES, WHICH IS KIND OF A SAD THOUGHT.
UM, BUT WE HAVE, WE'RE IN A GRASSLAND AND WETLAND.
WE HAVE LOTS OF SENSITIVE NATIVE GRASSLAND COMMUNITIES THAT ARE REMNANT COMMUNITIES, AND IF YOU PLANT A BUNCH OF TREES IN THEM, THEY WON'T BE THERE ANYMORE.
SO WE REALLY NEED TO DO, UM, THE OSM MANAGEMENT PLAN WITH A MAP AND MAP OUR NATURAL SPACES AND THEN BE VERY THOUGHTFUL ABOUT WHERE WE'RE PLANTING TREES THAT WE'RE NOT DOING, UH, A FORESTATION.
SORRY, THAT WASN'T VERY SHORT, BUT, UM, SO, SO MY SPECIFIC COMMENT IS, IS TO CLARIFY THAT OSM FOUR IS KIND OF GRABBING ALL OF THE NATURAL AREAS AND THAT EVERYTHING TO DO WITH SEQUESTRATION IS ABOUT WORKING LANDS AND, UM, URBAN LANDS, STREET SCAPES, UM, EXCLUSIVE OF NATURAL URBAN SPACES.
ANN, IS THERE A SPECIFIC WORDING CHANGE THAT WOULD FIX THIS? UH, REMOVE OPEN SPACES FROM ALL THE OTHER PARAGRAPHS AND ONLY DISCUSS NATURAL OPEN SPACES IN OSM FOUR.
AND SPECIFIC TO, UM, TO THAT, ONE AREA I'M SEEING IS LIKE A PAGE 93, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT URBAN FORESTRY, UH, WE SAY INCREASE IN TREE CANOPY COVERAGE PERCENTAGE IN PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE OPEN SPACES THAT COULD BE CHANGED TO PARKS, RIGHT? YEAH.
PUBLICLY, IT SHOULD BE, IT SHOULD BE LANDSCAPE LIKE, USE THE TERM LANDSCAPE INSTEAD OF OPEN SPACES OR ADD AN AS APPROPRIATE OR PUBLICLY LANDSCAPE SPACES.
SO KIND OF MAKE IT THE, THE NATURAL SPACES AS OPPOSED TO LANDSCAPE SPACES.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I, I ACTUALLY WAS GONNA MAKE A COMMENT ON THIS.
WELL, CITY OF FAIRFAX HAS IMPLEMENTED A SYSTEM CALLED, UH, PRIORITY OPEN SPACES.
AND I WILL ASK THIS AGAIN AS A STRAW POLL FOR EXPLORE THE CONCEPT OF IDENTIFYING PRIORITY OPEN SPACES WITHIN THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY.
AND WHAT THAT ENABLES THEM TO DO IS IDENTIFY WHAT ARE THE UNIQUE FEATURES, WHAT ARE THE DEFINING, WHETHER IT'S A WETLAND OR A GRASSLAND, AND HOW TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU DEVELOP KIND OF A CODE OF CARE, UH, TO GO ALONG WITH SOME OF OTHER LAND USE MANAGEMENT.
BUT I'LL BRING IT UP AGAIN AT WHEN WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
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UM, JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON, ON SOME OF THE, THE THEORIES, UH, THAT WE JUST STATED HERE, UH, AS FAR AS SEQUESTERING AND TREES, UM, AND FOR SEQUESTRATION, UH, PLANTING TREES IS, IS OF BENEFIT, BUT, BUT THE QUANTITIES OF SEQUESTRATION THAT IS GOING TO BE DOING IS NOT A PRIMARY REASON WHY TREES WOULD BE PLANTED.ACTUALLY, THE PRIMARY REASON FOR PLANTING TREES IS AN ADAPTIVE THING FOR BASICALLY CITY COOLING.
UM, THAT'S ACTUALLY THE ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS AS WELL AS THE BIODIVERSITY AND WILDLIFE CORRIDORS FOR THE SMALLER, UH, ANIMALS, INSECTS, AND BIRDS.
UM, SO THAT WE HAVE MORE BIODIVERSITY, UH, FOR THE POPULATIONS THAT ARE HERE AND INCREASE IN THOSE POPULATIONS WITHIN CITIES.
SO TRYING TO, UM, UH, YOU CAN TALK ABOUT SEQUESTRATION THAT THERE IS SOME, BUT THERE ISN'T LARGE QUANTITIES.
AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO PLANT TREES TO DO TRUE SEQUESTRATION, THEN WHAT'S NEEDED IS, IS ACTUALLY SOIL ENHANCEMENT, UH, WHICH REQUIRES BOTH THE NATIVE GRASSES AS WELL AS TREES AND COMBINATIONS.
SO JUST TO SAY WE'RE GONNA BE PLANTING TREES, UM, FROM A THEORETICAL BASIS, IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEING PROMOTED AND, AND PUSHED RIGHT NOW.
BUT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE, THE, SOME OF THE THEORIES OF, OF WHAT WE REALLY WANNA DO, IT IS COMPREHENSIVE, COMPLETE NATURAL LANDSCAPES, NOT JUST PLANT TREES.
UM, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S LOTS OF SIDE BENEFITS TO THE TREES THEMSELVES, THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF SIDE BENEFITS TO THE NATURAL GRASSES ALSO, BESIDES SEQUESTRATION, WHICH ARE EVEN AS GOOD OR EVEN BETTER THAN TREES FOR, FOR, UH, USING NATURAL GRASS SPONGE GRASSES.
UM, THEN YOU GET, UH, A LARGE NUMBER OF THE BIODIVERSITY AND AS WELL AS WITHIN, NOT ONLY IN THE AIR, BUT IN THE SOIL.
SO THE BIODIVERSITY THAT'S CREATED IN THE SOIL WITH, WITH LOTS OF CARBON CAPTURE IN THE SOIL FOR AN SOIL ENHANCEMENT.
SO JUST TALKING ABOUT, OH, WE'RE GONNA PLANT TREES.
WE USE URBAN FORESTRY, WE NEED TO BE MORE INCLUSIVE, UM, BESIDES TREES, IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY ECOS WE WANT TO ESTABLISH ECOSYSTEMS IN OUR OPEN SPACES, WHICH INCLUDES, UH, UH, TREES AND, AND NATURAL, UM, UH, RANGELAND SPECIES AND, AND BUNCH GRASSES.
SO BEING A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPREHENSIVE IN, IN THE LANGUAGE OF, OF NEWLY DOING MORE THAN JUST PLANT TREES, WHICH IS REALLY GOOD AS A START, WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW, BUT NEEDS TO BE A, A LARGER PROGRAM FOR THE ENTIRE WATERSHED, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE GOING OUTSIDE OUR CITY AND MAKING AND SUPPORTING REGIONAL EFFORTS IN THAT AREA.
SO THAT'S JUST, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF CHANGING THE WORDS OR, OR LANGUAGE IN THERE, BUT A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A, UM, UH, LOOKING MORE OF A WATERSHED APPROACH AND, AND DOING THESE THINGS IN COMBINATION WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE INSIDE THE CITY.
UM, UH, NEEDS TO BE SORT OF, UH, MENTIONED AND EMPHASIZED, BUT IT'S, IT'S IN THERE.
UH, I'VE NOTICED THE WORD SAYING WE'RE GONNA BE WORKING WITH THE COUNTY, UH, WORKING ON WATERSHEDS AND THINGS, UM, BUT JUST MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAN ON THE LANGUAGE THAT WE'RE NOT JUST SUPPORTING TREES, BUT ACTUALLY NATURAL ECOSYSTEMS AS EVERYWHERE WE CAN, BOTH INSIDE THE CITY AND OUTSIDE.
SO THOSE ARE THE BASIC CONCEPTS I WOULD, I WOULD ALSO SUPPORT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON OUR DISCUSSION ON NATURAL SYSTEMS? AND, UM, FOR THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION RESOLUTION AND RECOMMENDATION? I WOULD, UM, LIKE TO HAVE, UH, AN ITEM PUT UP TO SEE IF WE CAN FIND CONSENSUS ON, ON MAKING A RECOMMENDATION, UH, TO REMOVE OSM ONE, THE, UH, OFFSET POLICY DEVELOPMENT, UH, UH, PLAN.
UM, I THINK, UH, THERE'S SEVERAL REASONS WHY I, I BELIEVE THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
THE, THE FIRST IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS BLUEPRINT HAS A EQUITY LENS.
OFFSETS OFTEN, UH, INFLICT INJUSTICE IN IN THE IMPLEMENTATION, UM, OR THE, THE SOURCES THAT, THAT REQUIRE OFFSETS EVENTUALLY.
UM, UH, THE OTHER THING IS ONCE THE BLUEPRINT BEGINS TO BE IMPLEMENTED AND WE GET CLOSER TO 2030, THERE ARE GONNA BE HARD TO ACHIEVE REDUCTIONS AS WE'RE MEETING OUR GOALS.
AND THE, THE PRESSURE TO USE OFFSETS TO, UH, ACHIEVE SOME OF THOSE HARDER REDUCTIONS, UM, WILL INCREASE.
AND, UM, IF WE HAVE AN OFFSET POLICY, THEN IT'S MORE LIKELY THAT THOSE REDUCTIONS ARE GONNA BE ACHIEVED THROUGH OFFSETS, UM, RATHER THAN ACTUAL REDUCTIONS IN PETALUMA.
I ALSO DON'T WANT TO SEE, UM, UH, LOW QUALITY OFFSETS USED TO JUSTIFY EMISSIONS IN PETALUMA, SUCH AS, UH, TREE PLANTING, UH, FORESTRY TYPE OFFSETS, WHICH MAY BURN DOWN AT SOME POINT IN THE NOT TOO DISTANT FUTURE OR OTHER LOW QUALITY OFFSETS.
UM, AND, AND REALLY FOURTH, WE, WE ALREADY HAVE A REALLY GREAT POLICY ABOUT OUR REGIONAL, UM,
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YOU KNOW, LOCAL SEQUESTRATION PROGRAM PARTNERSHIP WHERE WE'RE ACTIVELY WORKING ON SEQUESTRATION AND SOIL.UM, SO, UM, I I, I FEEL THAT OSM ONE IS, IS WHOLLY UNNECESSARY AND AN INTENTION WITH OUR EQUITY FOCUS IN THE, IN THE, UH, BLUEPRINT.
IF I MIGHT RESPOND TO THAT A LITTLE BIT, IT, AND I'M SURE YOU WANT TO ALSO
UM, THIS SAYS DEVELOP AND OFFSET POLICY.
SO TO ME THAT MEANS THAT WE COULD DEVELOP A POLICY THAT SAYS WE WON'T USE THEM.
SO I, I WORRY THAT IF WE STAY SILENT ON OFFSETS IN THIS DOCUMENT ENTIRELY, THAT IT JUST SORT OF LIKE LEAVES THIS HOLE IN WHICH WE HAVEN'T WEIGHED IN ON WHAT IS A VERY COMMON TOPIC AMONGST CLIMATE ACTION THAT, THAT WE OUGHT TO DEVELOP A STANCE ON.
AND IF WE SAY WE'RE NOT DEVELOPING A STANCE, AND, AND AGAIN, THAT STANCE COULD BE DON'T USE THEM, UM, THAT WOULD LIKE STILL LEAVE US VULNERABLE TO THE, THE CRUTCH LATER, I, I WOULD, I WOULD GLADLY HAVE A, A REPLACEMENT LANGUAGE THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, THIS BLUEPRINT SHOULD NOT USE OFFSETS AS A FUTURE POLICY RATHER THAN LET'S KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD AND DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GONNA USE OFFSETS.
WELL, I THINK, I MEAN, I THINK THE POINT IS THAT, THAT THE OFFSETS, THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY HELPING US MEET OUR CARBON NEUTRALITY GOAL, I THINK IS THE, THE POINT.
'CAUSE IT'S LIKE NATURE'S DOING ITS THING, IT SHOULD BE DOING ITS THING, IT SHOULD BE NOT SEQUESTERING OUR CARBON FOR US
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE, WE DON'T WANNA REPURPOSE NATURAL SYSTEMS TO DO OUR CARBON REDUCTION WORK.
SO I, I PERSONALLY THINK THAT SUPPORTING COUNTY WISE SEQUESTRATION EFFORTS IS IMPORTANT, BUT IT'S NOT COUNTING TOWARD OUR GOAL THAT OUR GOAL IS OUR GOAL, YOU KNOW, TO REDUCE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS TO GET TO CARBON NEUTRALITY.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO EVERYBODY? SO ARE YOU SUPPORTING BRENT'S SUGGESTION THAT WE GET RID OF OS ONE M1? I WOULD AND JUST INSTEAD HAVE A, A PARTNERSHIP FORCE ENHANCING SEQUESTRATION.
I, I MEAN, I KIND OF LIKE THE IDEA OF MAKING A STATEMENT AROUND, AROUND THAT WE DON'T SUPPORT THE USE OF OFFSETS.
AS I RECALL, WHEN WE DISCUSSED THIS IN THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION, WE WEREN'T VERY KEEN ON IT EITHER.
AND THE ONLY REASON WE ADDED THE LANGUAGE AROUND LOCAL WAS BECAUSE, UH, I THINK WE WERE BEING ENCOURAGED TO TRY AND KEEP SOMETHING ABOUT OFFSETS.
IT WASN'T BECAUSE WE WERE KEEN ON IT.
SO I, I, I SUPPORT THE NOTION THAT WE, AND IT'S WORTHY OF MORE CONVERSATION WITH MORE STAKEHOLDERS THAN JUST US.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHY WE ENDED UP PUTTING IT IN THERE.
BUT, UM, VICE MAYOR SCHIBS HAD HIS HAND UP, UM, JUST TO SUPPORT THE, THE CONCEPT OF IF YOU'RE USING NATURAL SYSTEMS AS OFFSETS THAT THE ACTUAL QUANTITY LOCALLY, 'CAUSE WE HAVE A SMALL LANDSCAPE HERE, UM, COMPARED TO THE NUMBER OF CARS WE HAVE ON OUR ROADS THAT ARE SPEWING OUT CARBON DIOXIDE, THAT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT SCALES, THE TWO SCALES, UM, THE CAR OUTPUT IS THOUSANDS OF TIMES MORE THAN ANY AMOUNT OF SEQUESTRATION WE COULD DO LOCALLY IN THE SMALL BIT OF LAND WE HAVE HERE IN OUR WATERSHED.
UH, SO WE HAVE TO BE CLEAR THAT, UH, IF, IF EVEN IF YOU USED ALL OF THE OFFSETS THAT WE USE IN OUR NATURAL SYSTEMS, IT'S LESS THAN 1% OF, OF OUR CAR JUST FOLKS COMING OUT OF THE CAR TAILPIPES.
SO IT'S LIKE, UM, THAT IS NOT MUCH OF AN OFFSET, UH, TO BE USED, UH, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU START SCALING IT UP.
CAN I OFFER ANOTHER THOUGHT? I MEAN, ONE, ONE OF THE, I THINK ONE OF THE PLACES THAT THIS CAME FROM WAS A, UM, KIND OF AN ADAPTATION EQUITY PERSPECTIVE THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, CITIES PRODUCING LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS OF, UM, POLLUTION THAT'S AFFECTING OUR RURAL AREAS IN TERMS OF INCREASED HEAT AND WILDFIRE.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, LAKE COUNTY BURNING OVER AND OVER AGAIN OR THE MAY COMMAS, MOUNTAINS BURNING OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE FINANCIAL RESOURCES TO HELP THEM, UH, MAINTAIN FORESTS BETTER SO THAT WE DON'T LOSE, SO THE SEQUESTRATION ISN'T ACTUALLY GOING THE WRONG DIRECTION IN OUR NATURAL, IN OUR FORESTS.
UM, SO, BUT THE, THE MONEY IS HERE IN THE CITIES, BUT NOT IN OUR RURAL AREAS.
AND SO KIND OF, I THINK WHERE THE STATEMENT WAS COMING FROM LOOKING FOR PARTNERSHIPS IN THE REST OF THE COUNTY WAS TO TRY AND KIND OF TAKE SOME OF THE, WE CAN'T ACHIEVE SEQUESTRATION HERE, BUT WE CAN HELP OUR RURAL AREAS DO A BETTER JOB.
SO MAYBE WE NEED TO BOLSTER THE LANGUAGE IN WHERE THAT, UM, DOES APPEAR.
'CAUSE THERE IS MENTION OF THOSE PARTNERSHIPS.
SO AS OPPOSED TO KEEPING IT HERE
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OR SO, UH, UH, I'D LIKE TO ADD MY COMMENTS.I THINK, UH, CHAIRPERSON MOSES IS EXACTLY RIGHT IN THAT IF WE ARE SILENT ON THIS TOPIC, THEN THE OFFSETS WILL BE PURCHASED.
AND IF WE HAVE A DESIRE TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING, THEN WE SHOULD DEVELOP A POLICY THAT IS, IS EXPLICIT TO THAT.
I DON'T THINK, UH, TRYING TO HAVE A RAPID POLICY CONVERSATION IN THIS FORUM IS APPROPRIATE.
UM, I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE HAVE PERSONAL PERSPECTIVES ON THE MATTER, BUT WE SHOULD HAVE A SCIENTIFIC BASED CONVERSATION AROUND THIS TOPIC AND HAVE AN ACTUAL POLICY RELATED TO IT.
AND THAT'S WHY I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A POLICY DOCUMENT.
I LIKE THE LANGUAGE WHERE IT'S DIRECTIONAL ON WHAT THAT POLICY SHOULD ASPIRE TO DO.
UM, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A SCIENTIFIC BASED CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS.
UH, WE SHOULD NOT ENCOURAGE LOW QUALITY OFFSETS.
AND SO IF WE WANT TO ADD LANGUAGE SPECIFIC TO LOW QUALITY OFFSETS, THAT'S SOMETHING I'M OKAY WITH.
UM, YOU KNOW, BUT I THINK THE, THE TOPIC IS A LOT BROADER, UM, THAN WHAT WE CAN EVEN IMAGINE.
YOU KNOW, LIKE, UM, IN THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION WE'VE HAD BRIEFLY, THERE WAS NO MENTION OF DIRECT AIR CAPTURE AND THOSE OFFSETS, RIGHT? AND, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER TYPES OF GEO-ENGINEERING OR NEWFANGLED TECHNOLOGY COULD OCCUR, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT GONNA GET CAPTURED IN A WORKING LANDS CARBON, YOU KNOW, LOCAL BIOCHAR BASED THING.
AND SO WE NEED TO HAVE AN ACTUAL POLICY CONVERSATION ON THIS IMPORTANT TOPIC, UH, BECAUSE THE PRESSURE TO PURCHASE THOSE OFFSETS WILL BE IMMENSE.
UH, AND THE LAST THING I'LL SAY ON THIS, UH, I PERSONALLY, UH, WOULD WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, HELP INCENTIVIZE THE, UH, REFORESTATION OF OUR OFFSHORE KELP FOREST.
I THINK THAT'S A HUGE OPPORTUNITY TO SEQUESTER CARBON.
I THINK SOME TYPE OF REGIONAL OFFSET TO WHERE PEOPLE COULD ACTUALLY INCENTIVIZE THAT ACTIVITY WOULD BE A GOOD THING.
UM, SO I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF REMOVING OSM ONE, I AM ACTUALLY IN FAVOR OF, UH, ADDING A DEFINITION OF WHAT AN OFFSET POLICY IS AND HAVING IT LISTED AS A POTENTIAL POLICY DOCUMENT IN APPENDIX D ONE.
SO, SORRY, BEN, DID YOU SAY YOU WERE NOT IN FAVOR OF REMOVING OS M1 BECAUSE WELL, YEAH.
WHAT WAS THE LAST PART? YEAH, KE KEEP, KEEP OSM ONE AND THEN THE ACTUAL POLICY DOCUMENT THAT DOESN'T EXIST REFERENCE THAT IN D ONE IN ALL OF THE POLICY DOCS, IT SAYS A POLICY DOCUMENT THAT SAYS DOESN'T EXIST YET.
UH, THE ONLY CHALLENGE I FIND WITH THAT, I'M, I, I DON'T HAVE A BIG BEEF WITH ANY OF YOUR COMMENTS, BUT THIS SECTION TITLE IS OPEN SPACE MANAGEMENT, AND YOU MAKE A VERY GOOD POINT THAT POTENTIAL USE OF OFFSETS SHOULD WE EVENTUALLY DECIDE THEY HAD LEGITIMACY AS PART OF THE PLAN, DON'T NECESSARILY INVOLVE OPEN SPACE.
SO CLEARLY IT DOESN'T REALLY BELONG HERE IF YOU WANT IT TO BE MORE, YOU KNOW, BROADER AND MORE FLEXIBLE.
YEAH, I MEAN, I GUESS THAT'S WHY I MISSED IT IN THE FIRST PLACE,
AND I MEAN, IF, UH, THE, UH, WHAT THE, UM, THE BLUEPRINT COORDINATOR, I GUESS IF THE BLUEPRINT COORDINATOR AMONG THE CITY HAPPENS TO BE THE PARKS DIRECTOR AND THAT PERSON IS PUT IN CHARGE OF THIS, UH, I WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT, I GUESS.
UM, YOU KNOW, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S CURRENT PLACEMENT IS WORTH TRYING TO RELOCATE IT IF THERE NEEDS TO BE A SUBSTANTIVE POLICY CONVERSATION ANYWAY.
CAN WE JUST, UM, CAN I HAVE A POINT OF ORDER FOR A SECOND? UM, THE, THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION IS GONNA DO ITS RECOMMENDATION AND VOTE AND COME TO CONSENSUS ON POINTS, AND THEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS GONNA DO ITS RESOLUTION.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE DOING, WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY AGREE, BUT I THINK THAT'S GREAT.
WE'RE ALL COLLABORATING ON WHAT MAKES SENSE GIVEN THE INTENTS ACROSS EACH.
CAN I JUST ASK TO STAFF, GIVEN THAT WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF, UM, UH, FORMATTING COMMENTS ON OSM, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE PULLING OUT ONE AND FOUR, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE, WE, OR SHOULD WE LEAVE OSM ALONE, EVEN IF IT MIGHT BE A BIT FLAWED? DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANNA ADD BEFORE I WHY DON'T YOU GO FIRST? OKAY.
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I WAS GONNA SAY YOUR FEEDBACK AS PART OF ANY MOTION COULD BE, FOR INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, DELETE OSM ONE OR STATE THAT THE POLICY SHOULD BE DEVELOPED TO NOT ALLOW OFFSETS, OR YOU COULD SAY, YOU KNOW, MODIFY OSM FOUR LANGUAGE AROUND THE TERM OPEN SPACES.I MEAN, I'M JUST TRYING TO KEEP TRACK OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE, ARE COMING UP IN THIS CONVERSATION, SOME OF THE LARGER THINGS THAT ARE HAVING MORE OF A DIALOGUE.
UM, SO AS PART OF YOUR FEEDBACK, YOUR RECOMMENDATION AND FEEDBACK TO COUNCIL, YOU COULD MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS LIKE THIS.
AND I WOULD SAY THAT WITH OSM ONE, THERE SEEMS TO BE BROAD SUPPORT FOR REGIONAL COLLABORATION ON LOCAL PROJECTS THAT SUPPORT BIODIVERSITY ENHANCEMENT SUB REGIONALLY, NOT AS A, NECESSARILY AS AN, THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE COUNTY PROGRAMS, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY USED AS A SPECIFIC OFFSET POLICY.
SO MAYBE IF YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT IT, YOU SPLIT THE TWO SEPARATELY AND YOU TAKE, YOU TACKLE THEM SEPARATELY, RIGHT? YOU CAN HAVE SUPPORT FOR ONE THING WITHOUT IT BEING USED FOR THE OTHER, UH, SORT OF ANOTHER POINT OF ORDER.
I'M JUST WONDERING, MY INTERPRETATION OF THE AGENDA WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT IT EARLIER WAS THAT THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION WAS GONNA MAKE SOME SORT OF A MOTION FOR A RECOMMENDED THAT MIGHT INCLUDE RECOMMENDED CHANGES.
AND I INTERPRETED THAT AS THEN IT WOULD BE HANDED OVER TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO SEE IF THEY WANTED TO THEN FORWARD THAT ON BEHALF OF BOTH BODIES TO COUNCIL.
SO THESE ARE ACTUALLY SORT OF TWO SEPARATE PARALLEL PROCESSES.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING ON URBAN FOREST MANAGE FORESTRY MANAGEMENT, UM, WHEN THAT IS GOING TO BECOME A PLAN OR WHENEVER THEY'RE WORKING ON IT.
IN INEQUITY AREA, THE MOBILE HOME PARKS, UM, WE HAVE 20 ACRES.
WE HAVE A CREEK, WE HAVE WILDLIFE.
WE HAVE OVER 80 REDWOOD TREES.
UM, WE HAVE DEER, WE HAVE FOX, WE HAVE, UM, HAWKS.
UM, AND IT KIND OF GETS IGNORED BECAUSE WE'RE A MOBILE PARK, BUT IT IS AN URBAN FOREST.
ANY OTHER ITEMS ON NATURAL SYSTEMS AND SEQUESTRATION? OKAY.
THE NEXT ITEM IS, UM, MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS.
ANY COMMENTS? THE PLANNING COMMISSION? YES.
THIS CONVERSATION, THIS DISCUSSION, JOINT CONVERSATION.
DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT ON MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS? I HAVE, I HAVE A QUESTION ON SEQUESTRATION, BUT I THOUGHT WE HAD TO WAIT FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
IF YOU, YEAH, WE CAN GO BACK TO SECO STATION IF YOU HAD A QUICK QUESTION THERE.
UM, JUST THE DESCRIP DESCRIPTION OF COMPLETE STREETS, I THINK IS, THEY'RE VERY INCOMPLETE.
UH, THE LACK OF STREET TREE POLICIES, THE LACK OF ANY CITY INVOLVE IN STREET TREES.
THE LACK OF A STREET TREE, UH, MASTER PLAN, THEY'RE NOT COMPLETE.
THEY'RE AN ENGINEERING RESPONSIBILITY, AND TREES ARE NOT HIGH PART OF THAT ENGINEERING PRIORITY.
UH, THEY'RE PUBLIC CORRIDORS FROM RIGHT AWAY TO RIGHT AWAY IS A, IS A PUBLIC CORRIDOR THAT NEEDS TO BE TREATED AS A CORRIDOR, INCLUDING PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, SHADE, BICYCLES, NEW BICYCLES.
UH, IT, IT, RIGHT NOW IT'S AN ENGINEERING TRAFFIC SOLUTION.
AND, AND IT'S TREES OF SEQUESTERED IS RIDICULOUS.
THAT'S THE WRONG PLACE FOR STREET TREES TO BE IS SE QUESTION.
IT SHOULD BE A PUBLIC, UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT RESPONSIBILITY.
URBAN FORESTRY SHOULD BE UNDER THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT RESPONSIBILITY DICTATING TO ENGINEERING AND TO PARKS AND REC.
WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN OVERSEEING A, AS A, AS A URBAN FOREST PERSPECTIVE VERSUS A TECHNICAL DEPARTMENT.
SO I, I THINK IT'S COMPLETELY OUT OF PLACE TO HAVE URBAN FORESTRY WITH THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT IN CHARGE OF IT.
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S A, THE FOX IN THE HEN HOUSE IN SOME, SOME WAYS.
UM, I THINK THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT OUGHT TO BE IN CHARGE OF URBAN FORESTRY AND DICTATE OR, OR ORCHESTRATE WITH ENGINEERING AND WITH PARKS, THE RESPONSIBLE ROLES.
UH, RIGHT NOW, I THINK IT'S A SE QUESTION IS AN ADDED, UH, FIX.
IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A BIGGER PURPOSE OF LET'S MAKE THE COMMUNITY ATTRACTIVE,
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FUNCTIONAL, PLEASANT TO WALK IN SHADED.UM, SO I, MY BIGGEST QUESTION, IS IT, IS IT IN THE RIGHT PLACE? I'M SORRY? WHERE ARE YOU PROPOSING THAT URBAN FORESTRY MOVED TO? WELL, I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR MANY SESSIONS.
IT, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE IN LAND USE BECAUSE IT'S A LAND USE, UH, ROLE SENSE, PLACE ROLE, UH, NEEDS TO BE AN INFRASTRUCTURE.
'CAUSE IT'S PART OF THE STREETSCAPE CORRIDOR.
IT CAN BE IN PUBLIC WORKS AS LONG AS, AS IT'S A SEPARATE DIVISION THAT HAS ITS OWN, UH, SENSE OF PURPOSE AND, AND, UH, DIRECTION.
UM, BUT IT SHOULD NOT BE ONE, IT SHOULD NOT BE IN PARKS OF REC AND TWO, IT SHOULD NOT BE SEQUESTERED REALLY QUICK.
ROGER, UM, JUST 'CAUSE I'M AGREEING WITH A LOT OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I THINK WHAT THIS DOCUMENT DOES IS PUSH A LOT OF THAT SPECIFICITY ON THE URBAN FORESTRY PLAN TO THAT ACTUAL PLAN CREATION.
SO WHAT DEPARTMENTS IT'S IN CHARGE OF.
I MEAN, WE LIST A LOT OF SCOPE UNDER UF DASH ONE.
SO THIS DOCUMENT HAS PETALUMA URBAN FORESTRY MANAGEMENT PLAN BY 2026, DEVELOP AND ADOPT A PETALUMA URBAN FORESTRY MANAGEMENT PLAN IN PARTNERSHIP WITH COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS.
NOW, RIGHT NOW, THAT IS PUT UNDER THE PURVIEW.
IT'S KIND OF BLENDED PUBLIC WORKS, PARKS AND REC AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
BUT I THINK THAT PLAN, THERE'S NOTHING IN HERE THAT SPECIFICALLY SAYS THIS HAS TO BE UNDER PARKS.
AND I THINK THAT DISCUSSION IS WHERE WE CAN ESTABLISH THAT'S GONNA BE A BIGGER, THAT'S NOT EVEN GONNA BE JUST THIS PLAN, RIGHT? SO WHAT'S, WHAT'S IT ASSUMING THEN, WHO'S RUNNING THE SHOW? THAT WILL BE DETERMINED WHEN WE DO THE PLAN, I THINK IN TERMS OF WHO'S RUNNING THE SHOW, THAT'S OUR DISCUSSION TO HAVE, WHEN WE GENERATE THIS PLAN, THAT'S GONNA BE A WHOLE OTHER DISCUSSION.
I THINK THAT'S GONNA REACH A LITTLE BIT BEYOND THE BOUNDS OF THIS DOCUMENT.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ESTABLISH WHERE THE BUDGET'S COMING FROM, WHAT THAT, WHAT DEPARTMENTS ARE INVOLVED.
UM, BUT I THINK HAVING THAT DISCUSSION NOW IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS GIANT CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, I THINK THE POINT IS THIS IS POINTING TO WHAT IS GONNA BE A HUGE DISCUSSION OF THE URBAN FORESTRY PLAN.
ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT, IS THAT THIS IS WHAT'S PROPOSED IN THIS DOCUMENT, AND I DISAGREE WITH WHAT'S PROPOSED.
SO, I MEAN, HOW DO YOU, I I JUST THINK IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT PROPOSING ANYTHING SPECIFIC.
AND LIKE I SAID, I'M WITH YOU ON THE SPIRIT OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT WHEN I READ THIS DOCUMENT IN THE CORNERSTONE ACTION, THIS ISN'T GETTING TO THE GRANULAR SPECIFICITY OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, I THINK.
AND I THINK INSTEAD IT SUPPOSES THAT THAT GRANULAR SPECIFICITY WILL COME WITH A LONG, ROBUST PROCESS AT TREE COMMITTEE, EVENTUALLY AT PLANNING, EVENTUALLY AT COUNCIL.
AND WILL THAT WORK BACK INTO THE GENERAL PLAN? YES.
THE GENERAL PLAN, I KNOW THAT WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT MUCH ABOUT THE TREES IN THE FRAMEWORKS WAS UNDER PARKS AND REC AND THE, UM, FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY WAS, IT SHOULDN'T BE IN PARKS AND REC, IT SHOULD BE IN OTHER ELEMENTS.
SO WHEN WE MOVE TO THE DRAFT GENERAL PLAN, THERE WILL BE CHANGES IN THAT ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE AND RESPONSE TO COMMENTS RECEIVED.
UM, AND THERE'S NOTHING IN, THERE'S NOTHING IN THE GENERAL PLAN THAT SAYS THAT PARKS AND REC ARE IN CHARGE OF EVERYTHING TREES.
IT'S JUST WAS IN THE PARKS AND REC FRAMEWORK.
SO I AGREE WITH, UM, COMMISSIONER KUSON, THAT I THINK WHAT THIS IS SAYING IS IT'S IDENTIFYING PARKS AND REC.
IT'S IDENTIFYING PUBLIC WORKS AND IT'S IDENTIFYING COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TO PARTICIPATE IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF AN URBAN FORESTRY MANAGEMENT PLAN.
BECAUSE URBAN FORESTRY DOES TOUCH ON THOSE DIFFERENT, IT TOUCHES ON OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH IS TYPICALLY PUBLIC WORKS.
IT TOUCHES ON OUR PARKS, UM, AND OPEN SPACE MANAGEMENT, WHICH IS TYPICALLY PARKS AND REC OR CURRENTLY.
AND IT TOUCHES ON OUR URBAN DESIGN AND OUR CORRIDOR DESIGN AND OUR, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THOSE OTHER THINGS, WHICH IS MORE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
SO WHAT THIS IS SAYING IS ALL THREE OF THESE DEPARTMENTS WILL WORK TOGETHER ON THIS PLANNING EFFORT FOR OUR URBAN FOREST MANAGEMENT PLAN.
UH, I'LL, I'LL ACCEPT THAT PROCESS.
ALL I'M SAYING IS IT SHOULD NOT BE IN SEQUESTERED, IT SHOULD BE IN A STRONGER DEPARTMENT CATEGORY.
THE, IF WE'RE READY TO MOVE TO MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS, I DO WANNA JUST GET A, GET A READ ON IF WE NEED A BATHROOM BREAK.
LET'S DO FIVE, FIVE MINUTE RECESS.
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OF OUR JOINT DISCUSSION, UM, DISCUSSION AMONGST CLIMATE ACTION AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION, IF YOU WANNA KEEP US GOING THROUGH THESE TOPIC AREAS.SO THE NEXT ITEM IS MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS.
ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS ON THE SECTION? THE, UH, MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS? YES.
SO THE AIRPORT IS SORT OF LIGHTLY MENTIONED IN THE DOCUMENT.
UM, AND THAT'S, UH, PRIMARILY BECAUSE IT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN OUR INVENTORY.
UM, AND THEN ALSO THE GASOLINE THAT, OR JET FUEL OR WHATEVER YOU CALL IT THAT WE SELL TO THE PILOTS, UM, IS SORT OF, WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE COMMUNITY INVENTORY, BUT NOT NECESSARILY MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS INVENTORY.
UM, ALL THAT TO SAY THAT I THINK WE SHOULD START TO COLLECT THAT INFORMATION AND INCLUDE IT IN OUR REPORTING.
UM, AND SO AFTER, UH, SOME GREAT, UH, CONVERSATION.
I THINK A GOOD PLACE TO CAPTURE THIS THOUGHT WOULD BE, UM, DOWN IN THE REPORTING SECTION OF THE DOCUMENT, THERE'S AN ACTION, UM, ON MONITORING AND REPORTING, NUMBER ONE.
UM, AND I WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE, UH, OUR AIRPORT OPERATIONS AND OUR COMMUNITY, UH, PURCHASE OUR SALES OF FUEL AND OUR COMMUNITY'S USE OF FUEL TO BE CAPTURED IN THAT MONITORING, UH, AND REPORTING.
UH, AND THEN IN ADDITION, UM, WE HAVE A GREAT, UH, CHAPTER OF OUR BUDGET, WHICH TALKS ABOUT CLIMATE ACTION AND SOME OF THE, UH, PURCHASES WE'RE TAKING, UH, AND THEN SOME OF THE OPERATIONAL, UH, COSTS AND GASOLINE, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND SO THAT, UH, IS A GREAT ASPECT OF OUR CITY'S, UH, BUDGETING PROCESS THAT ISN'T CAPTURED IN THIS DOCUMENT.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO, UH, SEE THAT MEMORIALIZED IN THAT REPORTING SECTION.
UH, SO JUST TO SUMMARIZE, UH, MY, UH, RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO, UH, ENHANCE THE MONITORING AND REPORTING ACTION ITEM, NUMBER ONE, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR AIRPORT, UM, GREENHOUSE GAS, UH, EMISSIONS AND FUEL SALES ARE, UH, CAPTURED.
THERE'S A DATA COLLECTION PROCESS AND A REPORTING PROCESS, UH, AND THEN ADDITION, UH, UH, AN ADDITIONAL SUB ITEM, UH, TO CONTINUE, UH, THE, UH, GREENHOUSE GAS AND FUEL CONSUMPTION, UH, REPORTING AS PART OF OUR BUDGET PROCESS.
AND TO EXPAND THAT TO COVER, UH, COMMUNITY, UM, BASED, UM, WHAT DO I WANNA SAY? COMMUNITY-BASED FUEL PURCHASES, UH, WERE PRACTICAL.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON MUNICIPAL? UH, JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, THE AIRPORT.
SO IT WOULD JUST BE FOLDED INTO THIS AS FAR AS THE FUEL, BECAUSE THERE THEIR OWN KIND OF ENTITY.
THEY'RE, AND THEY'RE, BECAUSE THEY'RE THEIR OWN ENTITY, IT'S NOT SHOWING UP ANYWHERE, RIGHT? EXACTLY.
AND IT'S, UM, AND SO THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO CAPTURE THAT AND MAKE SURE IT GETS INCLUDED, AT LEAST THE CITY'S SALES OF THE FUEL IS SOMETHING WE COULD EASILY REPORT ON.
UH, AND THEN ALSO, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER OF AIRPORT TRIPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, AS PART OF THE MONITORING AND REPORTING PIECE, FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO THAT, UM, RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE, UM, IN ADDITION TO JUST FUEL REPORTING FOR, FOR, UH, CLIMATE PURPOSES, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO KNOW, UH, FUEL REPORTING FOR LEAD VERSUS UNLEADED, UH, AVIATION FUELS.
YEAH, NO, IF THERE ARE NO, UH, FURTHER COMMENTS FOR MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS, WE'RE ONTO THE FINAL ITEM, WHICH IS GENERAL DISCUSSION, WHICH WOULD, I KNOW, UH, COMMISSIONER BAKER HAD A ITEM.
AND THEN ANY OTHER COMMENTS, BASICALLY CORNERSTONE ACTIONS OR EXECUTIVE SUMMARIES, OR, OKAY.
I JUST HAVE A GENERAL QUESTION.
WHO, WHO THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA ANYWAY, PUTTING OUR TWO
SO MY GENERAL COMMENT WAS ABOUT THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY AND JUST FEELING LIKE IT COULD BE MORE PERSUASIVE.
UM, AND KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THE GENTLEMAN'S
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COMMENT EARLIER, LIKE, WHAT'S IN IT FOR ME? WHERE'S THE POT OF GOLD UNDER THE RAINBOW? UM, I FEEL LIKE THEY, YOU KNOW, I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE, THAT WHEN WE REMOVED ADAPTATION FROM THIS, YOU KIND OF REMOVE THE WHOLE KIND OF LIKE, HERE'S WHAT ALL CLIMATE CHANGE IS GONNA COST EVERYONE FROM THE EQUATION.AND SO NOW WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT WHAT WE'RE GONNA SPEND, YOU KNOW, RATHER WHY WE'RE SPENDING THE MONEY.
AND SO I FEEL LIKE THERE NEEDS TO BE, UH, SOME KIND OF A SUMMARY THAT, THAT LOOKS AT WHAT ARE THE ANTICIPATED COSTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE ON OUR COMMUNITY? WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS OF MITIGATION? WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS OF ADAPTATION? WHAT'S THE, WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS OF THESE MEASURES? AND THEN WHAT'S THE NET BENEFIT TO PETALUMA? YOU KNOW, I JUST, I DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT VALUE PROPOSITION HAS BEEN STRONGLY MADE, AND IF IT'S NOT MADE IN THIS DOCUMENT, I THINK I COULD LIVE WITH IT.
BUT IT DOES NEED TO BE MADE BY THE CITY, AND IT DOES NEED TO BE ON THE WEBSITE, AND IT DOES NEED TO BE REALLY CLEAR TO PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, SO WE DON'T GET THAT QUESTION OVER AND OVER.
I ALSO HAD SOME BROAD REACTIONS TO THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY.
FIRST OF ALL, WASN'T REALLY AN EXECUTIVE SUMMARY, IT WAS MORE OF AN INTRODUCTION MISHMASH, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST TO BE A LITTLE FINICKY.
BUT, UM, I ALSO FELT THAT BURIED, I BELIEVE ON PAGE 29 OF THE PDFI FINALLY SAW WHAT I, PART OF WHAT I FELT NEEDED TO BE EXPRESSED EARLY, EARLY ON, STARTING AT ABOUT PAGE EIGHT, UM, THE DESCRIPTION OR DISCUSSION THAT SAYS, WE ARE ADDRESSING BOTH ACTIVITY BASED DIRECT AND CONSUMPTION BASED INDIRECT EMISSIONS, BUT WE THEN SORT OF PUSH CONSUMPTION BASED EMISSIONS ASIDE, AND THEY'RE SORT OF LOST IN THE SHUFFLE.
AND I THINK ONE THING WE DESPERATELY NEED IS A GRAPHIC THAT SHOWS THEM ALL IN ONE PIE AND THEN EXPLAINS, HERE'S WHAT THE CITY'S GOING TO TAKE ON, AND HERE'S WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE BY THOSE OF YOU WHO LIVE HERE, THE RESIDENTS, BECAUSE THAT'S THE BIGGEST PIECE OF THAT WHOLE PIE.
AND NOTHING EXPLAINS THIS BETTER THAN A GOOD GRAPHIC.
AND WE HAVE NOT YET DONE THAT.
AND I HAVE BROUGHT THIS UP TIME AND TIME AGAIN.
LIKE, THERE'S NO WAY WE'RE EVER GOING TO MOBILIZE THE PUBLIC TO ACT ON INDIVIDUAL LEVEL UNLESS, AND UNTIL THAT POINT IS VERY CLEARLY IMPRESSED ON EVERYONE.
AND, UM, THIS ALSO AGAIN, SPEAKS TO WHAT ANNE'S SAYING OF WE NEED TO BE MUCH CLEARER ABOUT THE BENEFITS.
WE NEED TO BE MUCH CLEARER ABOUT THE THREATS, THE COSTS OF INACTION OR DELAYED ACTION.
THOSE, THOSE MESSAGES NEED TO BE PACKAGED RIGHT UP FRONT AND BE VISCERAL, VERY GRAPHICALLY CLEAR.
UM, SO THAT'S, UH, THAT I HAVE THE SAME COMMENT ABOUT PAGES 37, 38, WHERE WE HAVE A GRAPH AND WE HAVE SOME OF THAT DISCUSSION.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S LIKE WE'RE NOT BEING POWERFUL ENOUGH IN EXPRESSING THE MESSAGE.
UM, A MI RELATIVELY MINOR COMMENT, BUT I THINK AN SORT OF IMPORTANT ONE, CONCEPTUALLY ON PAGE 12, IN ROW ONE OF THE TABLE, THERE'S A VERY POOR MATCH BETWEEN THE STATED INTENT AND THE CORNERSTONES THAT FOLLOW.
UM, THE INTENT TALKS ABOUT TRANS TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY.
THOSE RE REQUIRE ESTABLISHING, MONITORING AND PUBLICIZING METRICS, NONE OF WHICH ARE MENTIONED IN THOSE ACTIONS.
THE CORNERSTONE ACTIONS AS STATED THERE.
SO I THINK THAT'S A PROBLEM THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE FIXED.
SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? 'CAUSE I DIDN'T GRASP IT.
UM, PAGE 12, PDF, PAGE 12, ROW ONE.
UM, AND LET'S SEE IF I CAN GO THERE.
OKAY, I'M GONNA, IT'S CHALLENGING HAVING ALL THESE, OKAY.
YEAH, THE STATEMENT OF INTENT, RIGHT? SO IT SAYS, TO ENSURE TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY AND IMPLEMENTATION OF THE BLUEPRINT AND TO ENSURE IMPLEMENTATION IS INCLUSIVE, FOCUSED ON DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES FOR WIDESPREAD COMMUNITY PARTICIPATION.
AS I SAID, TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY REQUIRE THAT WE HAVE METRICS THAT, SO WE HAVE TO ESTABLISH METRICS,
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MONITOR THEM AND PUBLICIZE THEM IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY.NONE OF THAT IS MENTIONED IN THOSE CORNERSTONE ACTIONS.
SO I, I'M NOT REALLY SEEING THE MATCH BETWEEN THE INTENT STATEMENT AND THOSE TWO ACTIONS BELOW.
I ALSO FIND IT ODD THAT WE'VE GOT AN ACTION THAT DOESN'T HAVE A NUMBER OR A TITLE.
UH, IT'S, THERE'S A, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, ENUMERATING GOOFINESS IN THIS DOCUMENT, A COUPLE OF PLACES, BUT THAT'S A NOTABLE ONE.
SO STAFF, DO YOU GUYS HAVE A COMMENT ON WHY THAT ONE DOESN'T HAVE A NUMBER CODE? PERHAPS? I SUSPECT IT'S JUST AN OVERSIGHT.
YEAH, I THINK I WOULD, UH, SUPPORT WITH THAT.
BOTH ENDS ARE, ARE SAYING IN, UM, WHAT, WHAT I'D BE ALSO BE LOOKING FOR IS WHAT IS THE VISION OF WHAT IT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE IN 2030 AND IN 2040, WHAT DOES OUR LIFE LOOK LIKE? WHAT DOES THESE ACTIONS LOOK LIKE? WHAT ARE, UH, UH, SO A LITTLE STORY THAT SAYS, HEY, THIS IS WHAT OUR, OUR CITY WE WOULD LIKE IT TO LOOK LIKE IN, IN 10 YEARS OR 20 YEARS FROM NOW.
AND THAT STORYLINE WOULD BE, COULD BE EVEN ALMOST LIKE A COMIC BOOK TYPE THING, UH, THAT GRAPHICAL, UH, SO THAT FOLKS REALLY GET THE POINT OF, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO BE IN TRANSFORMING HERE, AND WHAT DOES THAT TRANSFORMATION REALLY MEAN? AND THE MENTION OF THE METRICS THAT THE MONITORING AND THE METRICS THAT WE NEED.
I, I'VE MENTIONED TWO TONIGHT, TWO METRICS THAT, THAT ARE ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL, BUT THERE'S COULD BE MORE.
SO, UM, SO THAT'S A BIT, AGAIN, THE, THE DOCUMENT IS LIKE, IT, IT, IT'S A LITTLE BIT, ARE WE WORRIED ABOUT THAT? IF, IF WE PUBLISH ALL THAT OF WHAT WE REALLY SEEKING AND WHAT WE REALLY WANT, THAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA GO, CAN'T DO THAT.
UM, IS IT OUT OF FEAR THAT WE'RE NOT GOING THERE? OR IS IT THAT WE JUST WANNA USE SOFT LANGUAGE THAT'S JUST LIKE GENTLE AND SAYS AND ENCOURAGE AT THIS TIME? UM, OR, OR ARE WE GONNA SAY, NO, THIS IS AN EMERGENCY.
AND, UM, LIKE ONE OF MY, MY GURUS, LISTER BROWN, UM, UM, WHO PLAN 4.0, UM, TO SAVE THE WORLD IS, UH, HE BASICALLY SAID, UM, WE NEED TO HAVE A WARTIME EFFORT.
THAT'S WHAT'S REQUIRED A WARTIME EFFORT TO MAKE AND TO TRANSFORM.
SO THAT IS THE MESSAGE I THINK WE NEED TO RELAY, WHICH DOESN'T QUITE COME OFF IN THIS WHOLE DOCUMENT.
UH, THAT IS A WARTIME EFFORT THAT WE NEED TO MAKE, LIKE WE DID BACK IN WORLD ONE AND WORLD WAR II, UM, THAT FROM HIS GENERATION THAT, THAT HE, HIS VIEWPOINT TO GET THE POINT ACROSS OF THE, UH, DRAMATIC NESS OF WHAT WE DO, AND INCLUDING METRICS AND TRANSPARENCY, UH, THAT'S BEING SAID.
SO, UM, SO ANYWAY, WE'RE LOOKING FOR A LITTLE MORE VISION AND A LITTLE BIT MORE STORY, UM, AROUND WHERE, WHAT WE, WHY WE NEED TO GET TO THAT VISION.
JUST TO DOVETAIL OFF OF COUNCIL MEMBER SRI'S, UM, A THOUGHT I HAD IN SORT OF OUR PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS DOCUMENT, AND I'M ANTICIPATING TONIGHT'S CONVERSATION.
WE USE AMBITIOUS A LOT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CLIMATE ACTION GOALS, WHICH TO ME FEELS A LITTLE DEFEATIST,
AND I THINK, UH, A BETTER SYNONYM WOULD BE BOLD.
WE NEED TO BE, MAKE BOLD ACTION AND ACTUALLY DO IT.
UM, SO TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE IS OPPORTUNITY, WHETHER IT'S IN THE INTRODUCTION OR, UH, AN EXECUTIVE SUMMARY, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY, UM, TO TELL THAT STORY TO, TO IMPLORE THE REASONS, THE WHY TO, UM, ANNE'S POINT ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, ANSWERING PREEMPTIVELY SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS OF WHAT'S IN IT FOR ME.
THAT IT BOLD ACTION IS REQUIRED AND WE HA WE JUST HAVE TO DO IT
UM, SO I THINK A LITTLE BIT MORE AS, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERSHIP WAS SAYING, A LITTLE BIT MORE VISION, A LITTLE BIT MORE HOPE, A LITTLE BIT MORE URGENCY, I THINK WOULD BENEFIT THE DOCUMENT AS A WHOLE.
OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE MOVE OFF OF DISCUSSION? WELL, I WILL ADD THAT, UM, I WAS REALLY PLEASED OVERALL THAT SO MANY THINGS THAT YOU ALL HAVE HEARD FROM US OVER, UH, THE APPROACHING TWO YEARS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS HAVE BEEN REFLECTED IN THE DOCUMENTS.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE HEARING NOW ARE THINGS WE STILL WANNA SEE CHANGED, BUT OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE BEEN LISTENING, AND I WANNA SAY I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, I ALSO WANNA JUST EMPHASIZE AGAIN, JESSICA'S COMMENT THAT LANGUAGE MATTERS.
THE WORDS WE CHOOSE MATTER PHRASING MATTERS.
AMBITIOUS SOUNDS SORT OF LIKE, YEAH, WELL,
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BUT THAT SOUNDS GOOD, BUT WE PROBABLY WON'T MAKE IT.I, I THINK BOLD IS A BETTER CHOICE BECAUSE IT IS ABOUT THE TONE WE SET, AND I LIKE WHAT JOHN SAID AS WELL ABOUT THE VISION.
LIKE, YEAH, IT'S A POSITIVE VISION.
IT'S, YES, WE WANNA AVOID THIS HORRENDOUS VISION, BUT THE ALTERNATIVE ISN'T JUST LESS HORRENDOUS.
IT ACTUALLY CAN BE PRETTY AMAZING.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER GENERAL DISCUSSION ITEMS? I, I, I GUESS I HAVE A GENERAL, UM, DISCUSSION POINT GOING BACK, UM, TO THE GOAL OF CLIMATE NEUTRAL BY 2030.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALL OVER THE DOCUMENT, AND THAT'S WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL AGREED TO.
AND I THINK ON PAGE ONE IT SORT OF MENTIONS THAT.
UM, BUT SORT OF, YOU KNOW, NOW I HEAR LIKE THE GOALPOST IS BEING CHANGED AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN THIS GETS TO THE CITY COUNCIL, I THINK MAY, THERE MIGHT, IT MIGHT MERIT A DISCUSSION IF WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO KEEP THAT GOAL.
AND IF WE'RE STILL AFFIRMED IN THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'D HAVE TO REWRITE THE DOCUMENT IF WE, THAT WASN'T INDEED OUR GOAL.
UM, BUT I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT.
AND SO, UM, IN THE, IN THE VERY LEAST, I THINK SOME TYPE OF VISUAL OF THAT, UM, COMMITMENT WOULD BE WELL SERVED IN THE DOCUMENT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE THE, IT'S SORT OF A FOOTNOTE, YOU KNOW, IN 2021, THE CITY DID THIS GOAL AND, AND THEN IT'S LIKE THE WHOLE DOCUMENT IS LIKE, DID, IT'S LIKE PUT THE RESOLUTION UP THERE WITH THE PEOPLE THAT SIGN ONTO THAT GOAL, AND THEN WHEN 2028 COMES AROUND, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY I'M HERE TO MAKE SURE WE ARE STILL ON TRACK FOR THAT GOAL, RIGHT? AND SO IF WE PUT THE RESOLUTION THERE OR MAYBE MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE CONCRETE, THEN A FOOTNOTE, UM, THAT MIGHT HELP MAINTAIN THE GOAL THAT WE ALL HAVE.
OTHERWISE, IT'S ALL, WE'RE ALREADY, YOU KNOW, THIS DOCUMENT DOESN'T GET US THERE, WHICH IS, IS WHAT IT IS.
BUT, UM, WE CAN'T ALSO THEN BE BACKSLIDING ON OUR GOAL DISCREETLY.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO FORMULATE THAT INTO A RECOMMENDATION HERE OTHER THAN I HOPE WHEN THIS GETS PRESENTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT THAT CONVERSATION OCCURS.
SO, UM, THAT IS PRETTY MUCH THE MESSAGE OF FIGURE 13, THE ONE WHERE I COMMENT WE SHOULD HAVE THE GAP, BUT I AGREE WITH YOU.
LIKE AGAIN, LET'S BUMP THAT UP INTO THE FIRST 10 PAGES SOMEWHERE SO THAT WE REALLY REINFORCE THAT.
UM, JUST TO ADD ONTO WHAT BEN'S SAYING, I, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD CHANGE THE GOAL.
I MEAN, I THINK WE'VE, I THINK IT SHOULD BE STATED THAT THIS IS THE GOAL AND THAT THIS IS THE PATHWAY THAT WE CAN SEE RIGHT NOW, AND THAT WE ARE ADAPTIVELY MANAGING TOWARD THIS GOAL AND THAT IT'S WHAT SCIENCE TELLS US WE NEED TO DO.
YOU KNOW? SO WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO FIND OUR A WAY TO DO IT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW OTHER THAN THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU CAN SAY, BUT THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE HAVE THAT GOAL IS 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT SCIENCE TELLS US WE NEED TO DO.
I MEAN, I GUESS IT'S NOT JUST A PIE IN THE SKY THING.
UM, MAYBE JUST TO FURTHER ELABORATE ON THE POINT, YOU KNOW, SOME, A, A LITTLE BIT OF LANGUAGE ABOUT THE HISTORY OF HOW WE GOT TO THAT EMERGENCY RESOLUTION AND THEN LIKE THE UNANIMOUS ADOPTION OR WHATEVER, RIGHT? SO LIKE THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE SHOWED UP AND THERE WAS PROTESTS AND LIKE THIS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A DEMOCRATIC ELEMENT THAT'S MISSING FROM THIS.
AND IF YOU, YOU KNOW, SHOW UP TO THIS MEETING, YOU'RE LIKE, WHAT'S IN IT FOR ME? YOU KNOW? AND IT'S LIKE, WELL, THE WHOLE TOWN WAS HERE WHEN WE PASSED THIS GOAL AND IT WAS PASSED UNANIMOUSLY AND WE'RE AFFIRMING IT.
AND SO, UM, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO MAKE THAT LANGUAGE, BUT I DO THINK, UM, A BIT OF MORE OF THE HISTORY AND A BIT MORE OF THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS AND THE NUMBER OF VOTERS AND PARTICIPANTS INVOLVED COULD HELP FURTHER BOLSTER THAT THIS IS STILL THE GOAL OF OUR COMMUNITY.
AND I'M, NO ONE IS COMING AND SAYING THAT IT'S NOT.
AND SO I THINK WE'RE STILL WITH THIS GOAL.
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OH, CAN I MAKE A COMMENT? I MEAN, I, I AGREE THAT IT SHOULD BE 2030, BUT THE STATE IS A HIGHER NUMBER, BUT I DON'T REALLY FEEL LIKE YOU NEED TO GO WITH THE STATE BECAUSE WE'RE MANAGING EVEN BEFORE THIS IS EVEN PUT IN THE GENERAL PLAN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST BEEN A LOT OF WORK AND THE PLAN ISN'T EVEN DONE.SO I PREFER TO STAY AT 2030, BUT I, I DON'T THINK THAT'LL BE THE REAL GOAL.
I MEAN, THE REAL NUMBER IN THE END.
AND SO DO WE LOOK AT BEING MORE REALISTIC AND JUST HAVING THIS NUMBER THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT BECAUSE IT'S 2025 ALREADY, YOU KNOW, PRACTICALLY.
SO, UM, I'M KIND OF FLEXIBLE ON THAT, BUT I'D STICK WITH 2030 AT THIS POINT.
UM, I WOULD, I WOULD AGREE WITH THE, THE 2030 AS A, LET'S MAKE ALL THE POLICIES AND, AND MOTION HAPPEN BY 2030, BUT REACHING THE ACTUAL GOALS OF, OF GETTING THAT MUCH REDUCTION BY 2030, IT'S ONLY SIX YEARS AWAY.
SO WE'RE NOT GONNA BE CHANGING, UH, CAR OWNERSHIP OVER THE NEXT SIX YEARS THAT QUICKLY, UM, OF WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO DO.
AND PRETTY MUCH WORLDWIDE, UH, THE WHOLE REST OF THE WORLD IS BASICALLY SAYING THE SAME THING.
UM, YEAH, WE WOULD'VE IF 2030 IS NICE, BUT WE'VE ALREADY LOST THAT GOAL HAS ALREADY PASSED.
IT'S ALREADY, UH, WATER UNDER THE BRIDGE.
UM, WE'RE NOW LOOKING AT 2040 TO REACH THE SAME LEVELS AS WE WERE THINKING OF 2030.
SO THE REST OF THE WORLD IS, IS ALREADY IN THAT MINDSET, BUT I THINK IF WE HOLD TO 2030 FOR, WE NEED TO SET EVERYTHING IN MOTION AND HAVE EVERYTHING MOVING IN THIS DIRECTION BY 2030, UM, AND THAT HOPEFULLY THE ACTUAL CARBON REDUCTION BEFORE 2040, UM, MIGHT GET THERE.
BUT, BUT KEEPING THE GOAL AT 2030 IS, I THINK IS, IS, IS RIGHT, BUT THERE WILL BE SOME PUSHBACK.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WAY TOO, TOO BOLD.
UM, UH, BUT, BUT WE, IF WE SAY JUST SETTING THE, ALL THE POLICIES AND MOVING IN IN THAT DIRECTION TO HAVE IT ALL IN PLACE BY 2030, IS IS THE RIGHT WAY TO GO CHAIR MOSES? I MEAN, AFTER THIS HEAT WAVE AND WHAT'S HAPPENING IN FLORIDA, I ACTUALLY WANNA MOVE FASTER AND NOT SLOW DOWN.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE MORE WE PUSH IT OUT, THE MORE WE DEFEAT OURSELVES.
I JUST, OOPS, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION.
WHEN DOES THIS DRAFT GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL? AND ARE YOU GONNA HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO INCORPORATE EVERYTHING WE'VE BEEN SAYING? WELL, SO WHAT COMES OUT OF THE MOTIONS WE WILL INCLUDE IN THE RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.
UM, AND IT'S CURRENTLY SCHEDULED, I BELIEVE FOR NOVEMBER 4TH IS NOT, IS THE CURRENT SCHEDULE, DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS TONIGHT.
SO BASICALLY 30 DAYS LESS, BUT WE WILL NOT NECESSARILY HAVE A, A NEW DRAFT OF THE FRAMEWORK.
IT WILL BE, HERE'S THE SAME FRAMEWORK THAT EVERYONE'S BEEN REVIEWING AND THESE TWO COMMISSIONS HERE WHERE THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CHANGES ALONG WITH THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO ADOPT.
SO CA SO COUNCIL WILL GET V ONE, LET'S SAY, CALL IT.
AND THEN ATTACHED WILL BE THE V 1.1 RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'RE MAKING.
AND THEN I GUESS TO FULLY GAME IT OUT, IF THEY SAY YES, WE APPROVE IT AND ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATIONS, THEN THERE'S A, THEN WE WOULD MAKE THOSE AMENDMENTS TO THE DRAFT UHHUH
THERE'S NOT A, NO ONE LOOKS AT V TWO.
IT JUST IS, I MEAN, HOPEFULLY WE WOULD BE CLEAR ENOUGH.
SO WE MIGHT DO SOME, YOU KNOW, LIKE I HAVE A LIST OF SOME OF THE THINGS YOU GUYS MIGHT BE STRAW POLLING ABOUT, AND THEY'RE NOT LIKE EXACT LANGUAGE.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT HOW TO FLESH THAT OUT IS MORE THE INTENT.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE COULD WORK ON BEFORE WE GET TO COUNCIL IS HERE WAS THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM CLIMATE ACTION IS TO MODIFY OSM TO, YOU KNOW, THIS AND THAT.
AND HERE'S, HERE'S SOME SUGGESTED LANGUAGE FOR THAT, SO THAT IT'S REALLY CLEAR WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY ADOPTING.
I DON'T WANNA PUT OFF THE MOTION ANYMORE, BUT REALLY QUICK.
UH, UF FIVE, IT TALKS ABOUT BASELINE CARBON SEQUESTRATION.
JUST WHAT DO WE ENVISION THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE? I DON'T WANNA, I WAS GONNA GET INTO THE LANGUAGE AND, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE WE INCLUDE SOILS, BUT I THINK HEALTHY SOILS GOT THEIR DUE THROUGHOUT THIS DOCUMENT.
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SO UF FIVE SAYS BY 2027, DETERMINE BASELINE DATA ON EXISTING CARBON SEQUESTRATION.JUST, WOULD THAT BE, I GUESS, FIRST, HOW DO WE JUST MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS? AND WHO WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT? IS THAT AN EFFORT THAT WOULD COME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL TO GET AUTHORIZED? WOULD THAT JUST 'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF THIS EQUATION.
UH, AND I DON'T WANNA JUST WANNA KNOW HOW THAT WOULD WORK.
UM, WHEN WE DO INVENTORIES, WE OFTEN DON'T HAVE A VERY GOOD INVENTORY OF YOUR EXISTING SINKS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
AND SO THIS ACTION WOULD TAKE STEPS TO, TO IDENTIFY WHAT THE, THOSE CURRENT SINKS ARE AND WHAT THEIR BENEFITS ARE FROM A SEQUESTRATION PERSPECTIVE.
SO WHATEVER PROCESSES AND PERSONNEL ARE DOING THE INVENTORIES WOULD PROBABLY BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS.
THEN, UM, WE WILL CLOSE THIS CONVERSATION WITH ALL COMMISSIONERS.
AND SHOULD I PASS IT OVER TO YOU TO YEAH, I THINK THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION CAN TAKE IT AWAY ON THEIR, UH, MOTION AND OR FIRST THEIR EVALUATION OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO INCLUDE IN THE MOTION AND PLANNING COMMISSION CAN SIT TIGHT AND ONCE THEY HAVE DONE THEIR MOTION, WE'LL PICK UP ON OUR RESOLUTION AND THEY'LL HAVE DONE A BUNCH OF THE WORK FOR US, WHICH WILL BE GREAT.
UM,
SO I'M GONNA, UM, I HAVE WRITTEN DOWN, I'VE CAPTURED, UM, THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'VE HAD.
AND SO WHAT, WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS I'M GONNA READ EACH ONE, UM, INDIVIDUALLY AND TAKE A STRAW POLL, SO I GET THAT'S JUST RAISE OF HANDS, RIGHT? UM, AND IF IT'S A SIMPLE MAJORITY I IMAGINE, THEN, UM, WE'LL INCLUDE THAT IN OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, ASSUMING WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, LIKE WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS SOMEONE CAN MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT WITH THESE RECOMMENDATIONS IS HOW IT WOULD WORK.
SO THESE ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'RE, UM, YEAH.
THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE SAY WITH THESE RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO I'M JUST GONNA GO BACKWARDS UP THE LIST.
UM, UH, THE, THE LAST ONE THAT I WROTE HERE WAS, UM, ON PAGE 12, UM, COMMISSIONER EDMUND SAID SHE'D LIKE TO ADD TO THE STATEMENT OF INTENT TO ESTABLISH, MONITOR, AND PUBLICIZE THE METRICS.
UM, THIS, THE STATED INTENT MENTIONS TRANSPARENT AND ACCOUNTABILITY.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THE CORNERSTONES THAT FOLLOW NEED TO INCORPORATE METRICS THAT ARE ESTABLISHED, MONITORED, AND PUBLICIZED.
SO THE CORNERSTONES, CORNERSTONES THAT FOLLOW THE STATEMENT OF INTENT, NEED TO ESTABLISH, MONITOR, AND PUBLICIZE METRICS.
UM, UH, SO THEN THE NEXT ONE IS, THERE'S ACTUALLY A BUNCH OF THESE ABOUT, UM, THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY.
SO I'M GONNA READ THEM ALL AND, UM, UH, OKAY.
SO, UM, CREATING A VISUAL COMMITMENT TO THE RESOLUTION OF CLIMATE NEUTRALITY, UM, OR, UH, CARBON NEUTRALITY BY 2030, UM, NEED TO GET THE WARTIME EFFORT MESSAGING OUT.
MAKE SURE THAT THE BOLD, THE MESSAGE IS THAT WE NEED BOLD ACTION.
UM, THERE'S A REQUEST FOR A VISUAL STORY, LIKE A STORY, LIKE WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE? WHAT DOES THE VISION LOOK LIKE? UM, THE, UM, BASICALLY THIS MESSAGE NEEDS TO BE GRAPHIC.
UM, A PIE CHART WOULD BE GREAT.
LIKE, HERE'S WHAT THE CITY'S DOING, HERE'S WHAT THE RESIDENTS ARE DOING, UM, THAT THESE, THE POINT OF THIS NEEDS TO BE CLEARLY EXPRESSED.
SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE WANNA TAKE OUTTA THAT, OTHERWISE I WILL, YES, THERE'S MORE.
UM, THE GRAPHIC NEEDS TO SHOW THE WHOLE PICTURE OF INDIRECT, INDIRECT EMISSIONS AND SHOW THEIR RELATIVE MAGNITUDE.
SO, SO FAR ALL WE HAVE ARE GRAPHICS THAT SHOW THE DIRECT EMISSIONS, SO WE DON'T SEE THE RELATIVE MAGNITUDE.
UM, AND THEN ALSO I THINK WHAT WAS MISSED SPECIFICALLY IN THE, UM, SECTION ABOUT STORY IS TO ELEVATE THE BENEFITS AND ALSO DISCUSS THE COSTS OF DELAY IN INACTION.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS CALLING THE VALUE PROPOSITION.
MAKE CLEAR, LIKE WHY WE'RE MAKING THESE INVESTMENTS.
THAT WAS ACTUALLY A DIFFERENT ITEM THAT I HAD ON HERE, BUT WE'LL JUST INCLUDE IT ALL IN THE SAME ONE.
WHY ARE, YEAH, I THINK IT'S GOOD TO INCLUDE ALL IN THE SAME ONE, DON'T YOU THINK? YEAH.
UM, WHAT IS THE VALUE PROP? OKAY, SO, AND I'M, I'VE ADDED, UM,
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WE NEED TO A GRAPHIC TO SHOW THE WHOLE PICTURE OF INDIRECT AND INDIRECT EMISSIONS.UM, THE POINT OF THE BLUEPRINT NEEDS TO BE CLEARLY EXPRESSED, ELEVATE THE BENEFITS, SHOW THE COST OF INACTION, WHAT IS THE VALUE ADD? YEAH.
ANYTHING ELSE I SHOULD CHANGE? YES.
UH, WITH BOLD, COULD WE ALSO MAYBE ADD LIKE PIONEERING TO SHOW THAT WE'RE LIKE ON THE FOREFRONT SOMETHING? I LIKE THAT.
AND MAKE IT SOUND MORE LIKE POSITIVE AND LIKE APPEALING.
UM, SO THIS IS TO DO WITH THE AIRPORT.
I'M JUST GONNA PUT 'EM BOTH TOGETHER.
UM, THE, UM, AIRPORT AND FUEL SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE COMMUNITY INVENTORY WE SHOULD INCLUDE IN OUR REPORTING CAPTURE IN THE MONITORING REPORTING SECTION OF THE DOCUMENT.
UM, UH, LET'S SEE, CHAPTER, LET'S SEE, ALSO CHAPTER OF BUDGET ON PURPOSE PURCHASES AND OPERATIONAL COSTS SHOULD ALSO BE IN THE MONITORING REPORTING, AND THEN FUEL REPORT SHOULD ALSO BE INCLUDED FOR LEADED VERSUS UNLEADED AVIATION FUELS.
ANYTHING TO ADD OR CHANGE? UH, I DON'T THINK WE CAN ACTUALLY ADD IT TO THE INVENTORY, SO THAT FIRST PART IS MAYBE NOT POSSIBLE.
IT SHOULD BE CAPTURED IN THE NEXT INVENTORY FOR SURE, I GUESS IN THE NEXT.
UM, JUST ON THE AIRPORT, UH, I HAD A DISCUSSION WITH A COUPLE OF THE FOLKS THAT WERE OVER THERE, UM, ABOUT WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY DO AND WHERE, WHERE THEY WANT TO GO.
UM, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THEY DO DO, BESIDES ALL THE PRIVATE PLANES, THEY ALSO HAVE LIKE FEDEX SHOWING UP QUITE A BIT.
SO THE OTHER POSSIBILITY TO ADD TO THE AIRPORT IS TO, UM, EXPAND, UM, UH, LOOKING AT, UH, DISTRIBUTION NETWORKS THAT ARE, UM, UH, TO HELP OUR TOTAL DISTRIBUTION NETWORK BECOME MORE CARBON REDUCED SO THAT THEY COULD BE PART OF A, UM, A, A WAREHOUSING AND THEN DISTRIBUTION WITH, UH, IN COMBINATION.
ONE OF THE CONCEPTS I HAD TO TALK TO 'EM ABOUT WAS, UH, TAKE THEIR 12 ACRES THAT THEY HAVE AVAILABLE AND TURN IT INTO DISTRIBUTION WAREHOUSE, AND THEN RUN, RUN, UH, UH, UH, E-BIKES, UH, CARGOES OUTTA THERE TO, TO DELIVER EVERYTHING.
UH, AND THEY WOULD BE ACTUALLY A DISTRIBUTION CENTER ON SITE, UH, WHICH WOULD ALSO WORK FOR TRUCKS COMING IN TOO.
SO THOSE ARE THE POSSIBLE VISION TYPE THING.
BUT THEY DO HAVE, UM, A, THEY DO WORK WITH FEDEX ON DISTRIBUTION OF, OF GOODS.
SO THAT'S JUST ANOTHER AREA THAT NEED TO BE LOOKING AT TO IMPROVE THEIR DISTRIBUTION NETWORK.
ARE YOU, ARE YOU PROPOSING A NEW ACTION UNDER MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS? UM, IT'D BE TOUGH TO SHOEHORN THAT ONE INTO MONITORING.
SO IT, IT'S A, IT'S A BRAND NEW IDEA, UH, TO JUST TOSSING OUT.
SO I'M NOT SURE IF IT WOULD GO INTO THIS DOCUMENT AS SUCH.
IT'S JUST AN IDEA TO, TO, TO SHARE OUT, UM, AS A POSSIBILITY.
AND I, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THESE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM US, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, COUNSEL WILL DO WITH IT.
WHAT, SO I JUST SAY TO ALSO LOOK AT THE, UH, HOW, HOW WORKING WITH FEDEX AND THIS DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM IMPROVING, IMPROVING IT FOR, FOR REDUCING CARBON.
SO SHALL I READ THAT AGAIN OR DOES EVERYBODY HAVE A, A SENSE OF, I'LL JUST READ IT AGAIN.
SO, AIR FOR AIR AIRPORT AND FUEL SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE NEXT COMMUNITY INVENTORY.
UM, WE, UH, WE CAN CAPTURE IT IN THE MONITORING REPORTING SECTION OF THE DOCUMENT.
UM, FUEL REPORTING FOR LEADED VERSUS LEADED AVIATION FUELS, LOOK AT THE DISTRIBUTION NET NETWORK AND GHG REDUCTION THERE.
UM, ALSO CHAPTER, LET'S SEE, PURCHASES AND OPERATIONAL COSTS SHOULD ALSO BE INCLUDED IN MONITORING REPORTING, UM, IN FAVOR.
IF I COULD JUST INTERRUPT WITH A QUICK PROGRAMMING NOTE FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOLKS.
IF I, UH, ANTICIPATE HOW THIS IS GONNA GO, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT ADOPTING EVERYTHING THEY'RE TALKING THROUGH NOW.
SO IF THERE'S ONE THAT YOU WANT TO CHANGE OR EMIT, TAKE NOTE OF IT, UM, SO THAT WHEN WE GO BACK AROUND THE HORN, UH, WE'VE GOT A CLEAR SENSE OF WHAT PLANNING COMMISSION CHANGES THERE MIGHT BE, OR MAYBE WE JUST TAKE IT ALL WHOLE CLOTH, BUT KEEP YOUR EARS OPEN AS WELL, PLEASE.
UM, SO THIS IS THE CONVERSATION ABOUT OFFSET DEVELOPING AN OFFSET POLICY LIKE POLICY.
UM, SO I THINK I'LL GO WITH THE, JUST TO SIMPLIFY THINGS, I WILL SAY IN LIKE, IN FAVOR OF DEVELOPING AN OFFSET POLICY, LIKE, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT TO BE DEVELOPED WITH A BUNCH OF INPUT OR THE OTHER, THE OTHER OPTION, UM, WOULD BE TAKING OFFSETS OUT OF THE, THAT
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SECTION OF THE DOCUMENT, WHICH IS OSM OR VOICING AN OPINION ON WHAT THE POLICY SHOULD BE, I THINK WAS THE OTHER THING.SO ARE WE, UM, REFERENCING OS M1, OSM ONE? YEAH.
SO LET ME JUST READ WHAT I WROTE.
SO THE, SOMEBODY SUGGESTED THAT WE REMOVE IT, UM, BECAUSE THE PRESSURE TO USE OFFSETS, UM, THERE'S GONNA BE TOO MUCH PRESSURE TO USE OFFSETS RATHER THAN ACTUALLY REDUCING OUR USAGE IN PETALUMA.
UM, AND WE DON'T WANNA BE SEEING LOW QUALITY OFFSETS.
UM, THE OTHER OPTION WOULD BE JUST BOLSTERING THE LANGUAGE AROUND LIKE THAT IT NEEDS TO BE REGIONAL OFFSETS LIKE THE KELP FOREST.
UM, AND JUST, YOU KNOW, K KIND OF BEING MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT KIND OF OFFSETS WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE THINK ARE GOOD.
UH, PERHAPS WE COULD SPLIT IT, SPLIT THE DIFFERENCE AND TRY SOMETHING LIKE, UM, DEVELOP AN OFFSET POLICY BASED ON BEST SCIENCE, UM, ENSURING THAT WE AVOID OFFSHORING NEGATIVE IMPACTS OR, UM, POOR QUALITY, UH, YOU KNOW, OFFSET STRATEGIES, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SAY WE, WE WANNA DO NO HARM HERE, DEVELOP OFFSET POLICY BASED ON BEST PRACTICE SCIENCE.
UM, YEAH, IF WE TURN THAT AROUND FROM, UH, IT SAYS SAYING, UH, PREVENT THAT, LET'S SAY TO, TO, TO BENEFIT A, A TOTAL CARBON NET, UH, DECREASE IN THE ATMOSPHERE.
SO OFFSETS WOULD, WOULD HAVE ANY OFFSET POLICY WOULD, UM, SET REDUCTION OF TOTAL CARBON OUTTA THE ATMOSPHERE AS, AS THE GOAL OF ANY OFFSET.
BRENT, ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS FOR WORDSMITHING HERE? OH, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF SPLITTING THE BABY, SO I'M NOT GONNA WORDSMITH YOUR SPLITTING THE BABY ON ALLOWING OFFSETS.
I, I THINK, I THINK THE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE PURPOSES OF PLANNING COMMISSION RESOLUTION, I'M GONNA, YOU KNOW, WE RECOMMEND THAT HOLD THE LINE, WE'RE, WE'RE JUST NOT GONNA USE OFFSETS AS A PRESSURE RELIEF VALVE FOR THE ACTIVITIES THAT ARE GONNA BE REQUIRED TO REDUCE EMISSIONS HERE IN THE CITY.
SORRY TO KEEP JUMPING INTO YOUR GUYS' CONVERSATION, BUT IF I COULD JUST RELAY MY RECOLLECTION OF THAT CONVERSATION.
THE SORT OF OPENING BID WAS STRIKE OSM ONE, AND THEN THERE WERE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS THAT, WELL, IF WE DON'T SPEAK ON ANY TYPE OF POLICY, THEN WE'LL SORT OF BE LEFT RUDDERLESS.
AND THEN THERE WAS AN IDEA TO KEEP OSM ONE AND SAY THAT WE NEED TO DEVELOP AN OFFSET POLICY, BUT PUT A THUMB ON THE SCALE ABOUT WHAT THAT POLICY UP TO BE.
SO TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE IS WORDSMITHING TO BE DONE ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, MA PUTTING IN THIS BLUEPRINT THAT A POLICY OUGHT TO BE DETERMINED AND SAYING THAT THAT POLICY SHOULD, AND YOU GUYS HAVE HAD A COUPLE IDEAS ALREADY ABOUT HOW TO MAKE SURE IT HEADS IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
UM, SO JUST ADDING THAT, THAT RECOLLECTION FOR YOU GUYS TO CONSIDER.
YEAH, IT WAS, UM, TO PROVIDE DIRECTIONAL LANGUAGE MAKING SEQUESTRATION POLICY WITH NO LOW QUALITY OFFSETS, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT THAT IT'S STILL OVERALL DECREASE OF CARBON IN THE ATMOSPHERE.
UM, AND WE HAVE ALREADY THE PREVIOUS STATEMENT AROUND IT BEING LOCAL AND BEN BROUGHT UP, YOU KNOW, THERE'S CERTAINLY, THERE'S KELP FORESTS AND THERE'S ALSO KIND OF POTENTIALLY OFFSETS IN, UM, MATERIALS, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE LOW CARBON CONCRETE OR SOMETHING THAT WE MIGHT WANNA SUPPORT DEVELOPMENT OF THAT YOU COULD CALL THAT AN OFFSET.
BUT I, I THINK THAT, I THINK WE'RE STUMBLING ON THE TERM OFFSET.
I'D LIKE TO STRIKE THE TERM OFFSET, I THINK AND JUST SAY WE WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT, OUR ACCOUNTING DOES NOT INCLUDE OFFSETS, BUT WE DO WANT TO, UM, SUPPORT REGIONAL EFFORTS TO INCREASE SEQUESTRATION AND REGIONAL EFFORTS TO PROVIDE SEQUESTERING, UM, BUILDING MATERIALS.
I, BUT I THINK THAT THE, THE IDEA OF LIKE WHAT'S IN THE DOCUMENT IS THAT WE SHOULD DEVELOP A POLICY AROUND OFFSETS.
IT DOESN'T SAY WE SHOULD HAVE, WE SHOULD USE THEM OR WE SHOULD NOT USE THEM.
IT JUST SAYS WE SHOULD DEVELOP THE, LIKE, WHAT OUR STANCE IS.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S OUR JOB RIGHT NOW TO DEVELOP WHAT THAT STANCE IS, BUT WE CAN SAY WE RECOMMEND WHEN YOU DEVELOP THIS POLICY THAT YOU CONSIDER THESE THINGS.
SO I THINK WE COULD ACTUALLY SIDESTEP THIS ISSUE BY SIMPLY DELETING THE WORD OFFSET IN OSM ONE.
YEAH, THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING THEN.
THEN IT WOULD READ BY 2 20 26,
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DEVELOP A POLICY THAT PRIORITIZES LOCAL AND REGIONAL CARBON SEQUESTRATION PARTNERSHIPS AND PROJECTS.'CAUSE WE NEVER USED THE WORD OFFSET IN OUR CONVERSATION.
IT JUST SHOWED UP IN THIS DOCUMENT THIS TIME.
SO THEN THE SUGGESTION IS JUST DELETE THE, JUST FORGET ALL OF EVERYTHING WE JUST SAID AND JUST SAY, SAY DELETE THE WORD OFFSETS.
IT'S ALL NO OFFSETS,
BUT, UM, I PROPOSE ADDING ON APPENDIX A, A DEFINITION OF WHAT AN OFFSET IS AND WHY WE'RE NOT CHOOSING TO USE THEM.
WELL, WE'RE NOT, YOU JUST VOTED TO NOT EVEN SAY THAT YOU VOTED TO.
I MEAN, IT'S A VOTE TO PUT YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND, IS HOW I SEE IT.
YOU KNOW, I THINK IF WE WANTED TO SAY NO OFFSETS, THEN LET'S PUT LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT SAYS, UH, DEVELOP A POLICY TO PREVENT THE MISUSE OF OFFSETS BY THE CITY AND THE COMMUNITY.
OR DEVELOP A POLICY TO, UH, DISALLOW ALL OFFSETS OR, YOU KNOW, DEVELOP A POLICY TO ALLOW ONLY, UM, YOU KNOW, REGIONAL NATURE-BASED OFFSETS.
I MEAN, BY DELETING THAT IT'S SORT OF THE, THE MATH THAT THEY DID STILL USES THE SEQUESTRATION TO OFFSET THE EMISSIONS.
SO PRETENDING THAT THE OFFSETTING ISN'T OCCURRING IS, I'LL SAY DISHONEST.
I MEAN, IT'S WHAT THE MATH THEY ARE DOING IS THEY'RE TAKING THE SEQUESTRATION AND OFFSETTING THE EMISSIONS, AND THEN THERE'S A CONFUSION AROUND, WELL, IS THAT AN OFFSET OR NOT? AND SO NOW BY REMOVING IT, WE'RE MAKING THE DOCUMENT LESS CLEAR AND OPENING UP THE POTENTIAL FOR ABUSE.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, I LOST THAT STRAW POLL.
SO THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS, UM, TO DO A STRAW POLL, IF WE ARE IN FAVOR OF MODIFYING THAT NUMBER ONE ITEM TO SAY, DEVELOP A POLICY THAT PREVENTS THE USE OF OFFSETTING BY THE CITY IT MEETING ITS CARBON NEUTRALITY GOALS.
I LIKE, I ALSO DID NOT VOTE FOR THAT REMOVING OFFSET
SO, BUT, SO, BUT THOSE TWO MOTIONS ARE NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.
THOSE ARE TWO SEPARATE STATEMENTS.
SO THE ONE THAT SAYS, WE WANNA SUPPORT SEQUESTRATION PARTNERSHIPS CAN STAND YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
SO, SO BASICALLY HE'S MAKING ANOTHER YES.
SO WE COULD ALSO SAY, IN ADDITION, WE WANNA ADD AN ACTION THAT SAYS WE WANNA SAY NO OFFSETS.
SO THAT, WHERE WOULD THAT GO THOUGH? IT'S NOT, SO IT'S NOT A CORNERSTONE ACTION, RIGHT? SO DOES IT GO DOWN INTO ADDITIONAL IMPLEMENTATION ACTIONS? COULD WE DEFER TO STAFF TO FIGURE OUT WHERE TO SHOVE THAT
SO IT'S VERY CLEARLY TIED TO THE THAT.
WELL, AND, AND THE CITY WOULDN'T NECESSARILY TAKE AN ACTION ON WHAT PRIVATE RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES DO REGARDING OFFSETS THAT'S NOT TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT IN THOSE INVENTORIES.
SO MAYBE IT WOULD BE, UH, MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS BECAUSE IT WOULD BE RELATED TO THE, HOW THE CITY CALCULATES, UH, ITS GOAL TOWARDS CARBON NEUTRALITY.
WOULD THAT POTENTIALLY BE A PLACE, ERIC? I THINK ERIC'S SUGGESTION A LITTLE BIT.
YOU COULD PUT IT IN THE EQUITY CHAPTER AND SAY, AS A PRINCIPLE OF EQUITY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO, YOU
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KNOW, PERMIT OFFSETS AS A METHOD OF COMPLIANCE WITH THE VARIOUS PROGRAMS AND POLICIES THAT ARE REPRESENTED IN THE ENTIRE BLUEPRINT.I CAN I ASK A TECHNICAL QUESTION ON THAT? I MEAN, THE, UM, WHEN WE'RE DOING THE NATURE-BASED SEQUESTRATION, WE ARE DOING THE OFFSETTING.
AND SO WHAT I HEARD WAS THAT WE WERE, WE WOULD BE PREVENTING THAT FROM OCCURRING.
THE TERM OFFSETS REFER TO TRADABLE SORT OF CERTIFICATES TO POLLUTE.
NO, THE, THE TERM OFFSETS AS A WELL ESTABLISHED MEANING AND CLIMATE POLICY, AND IT REFERS TO THE, YOU KNOW, POLLUTION THAT'S ALLOWED BY ONE ENTITY BECAUSE THEY PAY SOMEONE ELSE TO SEQUESTER CARBON SOMEWHERE.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT AN OFFSET IS.
AND THERE IS A, A PROBLEM WITH THAT JUST, UH, FROM, UM, WHAT YOU JUST SAID, IT'S, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US USING OFFSETS OURSELVES SO THAT WE ACTUALLY PAY MONEY TO OFFSET, UH, US VERSUS RECEIVING MONEY FROM AN OFFSET.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, UM, I, I TRY TO INVESTIGATE WHERE OUR GRANT MONEY, THAT'S FOR ALL THE TREES, LIKE THE MILLION DOLLARS WE JUST GOT FOR, FOR PLANTING TREES, WELL, THAT COMES FROM, UH, UM, CALIFORNIA RELIEF.
WHERE DO THEY GET THEIR MONEY FROM? FROM CAL FIRE? WHERE DOES CAL FIRE GET IT OR CAL FIRE GET IT FROM, FROM THE STATE? WHERE DOES THE STATE GET IT FROM? OH, GREEN MONEY FROM THE CORPORATIONS THAT ARE POLLUTING IT'S OFFSETS.
SO BASICALLY THERE'S A LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY COMING FUND BEING FUNNELED TO THE STATE THAT'S COMING DOWN THE LINE FOR ALL OF THIS, UH, UH, UH, GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE TYPE WORK.
SO, UM, YOU BETTER MENTION THAT THIS CASE, ARE WE USING OFFICES BY PAYING SOMEBODY OFF OR, OR ARE WE, WE RECEIVING MONIES FROM OFFSETS THAT HAS TO BE DIFFERENTIATED? UH, I WANNA PUSH BACK ON, ON YOUR USE OF OFFSETS.
UH, VICE MAYOR SCHIBS, THE, THE MONEY THAT'S COMING TO PLANT TREES IS FROM THE GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTION FUND OR CALIFORNIA CLIMATE INVESTMENTS.
AND THAT COMES FROM THE SALE OF ALLOWANCES UNDER THE CAP AND TRADE SYSTEM.
AND ALLOWANCES ARE DIFFERENT THAN OFFSETS.
OFFSETS ARE, YOU KNOW, VOLUNTARY REDUCTIONS TO COMPLY WITH, UH, UH, EMISSION REDUCTION MANDATE.
UM, I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS CONVERSATION IS TO KIND OF GROUND WHAT OUR INTENT HERE IS OUR, I BELIEVE THAT EVERYONE, MOST EVERYONE IS ON THE SAME PAGE, THAT WE WANT THE REDUCTIONS TO HAPPEN IN PETALUMA FOR THE POLICIES WE HAVE IN THE PLAN FOR PETALUMA REDUCTIONS.
AND WE DON'T WANT TO SAY, OH, BY THE WAY, YOU HAVE AN OPTION OF BUYING OFFSETS INSTEAD OF COMPLYING WITH YOUR OBLIGATION UNDER THIS PLAN.
YEAH, I THINK WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE WRAPPED UP IN OFFSET AS A VERB VERSUS OFFSET AS A NOUN AND LIKE PURCHASING OFFSETS VERSUS OFFSETTING, WHICH IS USED, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, TO, TO THE COMMISSIONER'S POINT IN THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY, I MEAN, WE DO HAVE IT AS CARBON NEUTRALITY MEANS THE, THAT EMISSIONS FROM ALL ACTIVITY IN THE CITY, INCLUDING DIRECT AND INDIRECT EMISSIONS ARE REDUCED, SEQUESTERED, AND IF NECESSARY, OFFSET.
SO I THINK WE'RE SORT OF GETTING OURSELVES TWISTED ON WHETHER SEQUESTER SEQUESTRATION AND OFFSETTING ARE THE SAME OR DIFFERENT.
AND YOU KNOW, I THINK THE, THE POINT THAT I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER NEWELL IS TRYING TO MAKE IS THE SORT OF PURCHASING OF OFFSETS, WHICH WE KNOW TO BE A, A BIT OF A CHEAT, UM, IN MANY CASES SHOULD BE AVOIDED.
SO IN AN EFFORT TO LIKE MOVE THIS FORWARD, I THINK WE'RE PRETTY MUCH IN, HAVE A CONSENSUS, BUT, UM, WHAT VICE CHAIR, UM, PUT FORTH IS TO ADD, LIKE, IN ADDITION, DEVELOP A POLICY TO AVOID MISUSE OF OFFSETS.
IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE A CONSENSUS THERE AND WE CAN DEFER TO STAFF ON WHERE TO PUT THAT IF IT'S MONITORING AND REPORTING OR EQUITY, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER MAKES SENSE AS LONG AS IT'S IN THE DOCUMENT IN A PLACE THAT MAKES SENSE.
IS THAT, IS THAT FAIR? YEAH, I'M GOOD ON THAT.
SO IN AGREEMENT, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7.
WE'RE NOT DONE WITH SEQUESTRATION STUFF.
THE OBJECTIVE IS TO PRESERVE, SO THIS, I THINK THIS IS, UM, CLARITY THAT WE WANTED TO, ON O SM FOUR THAT WE WANTED TO HAVE, WHICH IS THE OBJECTIVE IS TO PRESERVE AND ENHANCE NATURAL SYSTEMS. SEQUESTRATION IS A SEPARATE TOPIC TO SERVE THAT OBJECTIVE.
SO, UM, IT COULD, WELL, THE SUGGESTION, I KIND OF JUST WROTE DOWN THE SUGGESTIONS HERE.
UM, IT COULD GO IN URBAN AND FORESTRY AND YARDS, UM, NOT NECESSARILY, UM, OPEN SPACE,
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RIGHT? UM, THERE CAN BE HARM FROM PLANTED TREES.IT MIGHT, IT COULD DESTROY GRASSLAND HABITAT, FOR EXAMPLE.
SO WE SHOULD CLARIFY OSM FOUR, REMOVE OPEN SPACES FROM ALL OTHER PARAGRAPHS, USE THE TERM LANDSCAPED SPACES, INSTEAD BE CLEAR THAT JUST PLANTING TREES IS NOT THE ANSWER.
WE NEED COMPLETE NATURAL LANDSCAPES AND TO ESTABLISH ECOSYSTEMS IN OPEN SPACES.
UM, OH, AND THEN I'M GONNA ADD TO THAT, UH, WE COULD THAT TO SUGGEST THE, THAT WE IDENTIFY PRIORITY OPEN SPACES AND DEVELOP A CODE OF CARE WITH LAND USE MANAGEMENT CHAIR.
UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMENTS THAT WE'RE GETTING CONSENSUS ON ARE VERY CLEAR WHERE WE'RE MAKING A CHANGE.
UM, SO FOR INSTANCE, SAYING SOMETHING LIKE, AND I HAD THIS DOWN, UH, DEVELOP A PRIORITY OPEN SPACE PROGRAM, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT IS A CLEAR, UH, ADD, ADD THAT AS A, AS AN ACTION, UM, OR MODIFY O OSM FOUR.
I THINK THAT WAS SOME OF THE LANGUAGE THAT COMMISSIONER BAKER HAD BROUGHT UP ABOUT, UH, OPEN, OPEN SPACES VERSUS LANDSCAPE LANDSCAPE.
UM, I, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR ON WHERE WE WANT THE CHANGES SO THAT THEY'RE, THEY MEET EVERYBODY'S EXPECTATIONS.
UM, DOES ANYONE WANNA TAKE A STAB AT MAKING THE, LIKE, SO I HAVE IDENTIFY PRIORITY OPEN SPACES, DEVELOP A CODE OF CARE WITH LAND USE MANAGEMENT, AND I HAVE CLARIFY OSM FOR WHICH I'M GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT TO SEE EXACTLY OEM FOUR IS DEVELOP AND ADOPT AN OPEN SPACE MANAGEMENT FRAMEWORK AS PART OF A COMPREHENSIVE UPDATE TO THE ALOMA RIVER PLAN WITH POLICIES TO ENHANCE WILDLIFE CORRIDORS AND INCREASE CARBON SEQUESTRATION BIODIVERSITY AND PUBLIC ACCESS FOR DIFFERENT TYPOLOGIES OF OPEN SPACE.
SO I THINK, I THINK IT WAS, UM, PAPER.
OKAY, SO I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY, SO UF ONE TALKS ABOUT, UM, ESTABLISHING MINIMUM TREE CANOPY COVER GOALS FOR SPECIFIC LAND USE TYPES AND SCALES, ONE PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE OPEN SPACES.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD BE SETTING TREE CANOPY GOALS FOR OPEN, NATURAL OPEN SPACES.
YOU KNOW, SO I, I THINK I WOULD REPHRASE THAT.
YOU'RE ASKING ME TO BE SPECIFIC, RIGHT? SO YEAH.
C AND THEN ROMAN NEURAL ONE I THINK SHOULD BE CLEAR THAT IT'S PUBLIC URBAN SPACES OR LANDSCAPE SPACES AS OPPOSED TO OPEN SPACES.
SO I GUESS I WAS SUGGESTING YOU DO A SEARCH MM-HMM.
AND EVERYWHERE IT SAYS OPEN SPACES, IF IT'S NOT IN OSM FOUR, YOU TAKE IT OUT AND YOU INSERT LANDSCAPE SPACES INSTEAD.
AND IF YOU NEED TO ADD A CLARIFYING DOCUMENT THAT THE GOAL OF NATURAL SYSTEMS IS TO RESTORE, ENHANCE, IMPROVE, CONNECT NATURAL SYSTEMS, AND THEN THE GOAL OF SEQUESTRATION THROUGH URBAN FORESTRY WORKING LANDS, CARBON GARDENING IS TO, YOU KNOW, DO THIS ADDED BENEFIT RESTORATION OF SOILS.
NO, I'M THINKING ABOUT SOMETHING.
UM, SO YEAH, SO I THINK REALLY MAKING A CLEAR DIVISION BETWEEN NATURAL SYSTEMS ARE TO RESTORE NATURAL SYSTEMS AND SEQUESTRATION IS IN THIS KIND OF URBAN LANDSCAPE WORKING LANDSCAPE CONTEXT.
SO WHAT I HAVE IS MODIFY OSM FOUR TO CHANGE OPEN SPACES TO LANDSCAPE NO, NO, NO, NO.
OH, WE, SO WE GOT RID OF THAT ONE.
SO EVERYWHERE, BUT OSM FOUR SHOULD SAY, OKAY, MODIFY UF ONE TREE CANOPY FOR OPEN SPACES, CHANGE THAT TO LANDSCAPE SPACES.
AND THEN DO A GENERAL, UM, REPLACEMENT OF WHERE OPEN SPACE AND REPLACE IT WITH LANDSCAPE SPACES WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SEQUESTRATION.
AND THEN I ALSO HAVE ONE THING THAT I THINK CHAIR BROUGHT UP WAS ADD AN ACTION TO DEVELOP A PRIORITY OPEN SPACE PROGRAM WITH A CO WITH A CODE OF CARE.
SO THOSE ARE THE, THE THREE THINGS THAT I FEEL LIKE ARE CURRENTLY YEAH.
SO NATURAL OPEN SPACES IS ONLY ADDRESSED IN US, UH, WHAT IS IT? OSM O SM FOUR.
SO OPEN SPACES SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM, YOU'RE SUGGESTING OPEN SPACES SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM EVERYWHERE EXCEPT OSM FOUR, CORRECT.
SO I WILL JUST REPEAT THAT, I GUESS.
SO CLARIFY THAT O SM FOUR, WE'RE GONNA REMOVE, UM, OPEN SPACES FROM ALL OTHER PARAGRAPHS EXCEPT THAT ONE
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AND USE THE TERM LANDSCAPE SPACES INSTEAD.UM, AND THEN UF ONE SHOULD BE, SHOULD SAY LANDSCAPE SPACES.
THAT'S KIND OF LIKE A SUB BULLET POINT HERE.
UM, AND THEN IDENTIFY PRIORITY OPEN SPACES, DEVELOP A CODE OF CODE OF CARE WITH LAND USE MANAGEMENT.
I MEAN, I'VE KIND OF BEEN ADDING THE WORD NATURAL OPEN SPACES.
'CAUSE I THINK IT KINDA HELPS PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I DIDN'T WANT TO INTERRUPT YOUR GUYS' DISCUSSION, BUT THAT'S KIND OF A BROADER THING THAT CAME UP IN THE GENERAL PLAN FRAMEWORKS ON NATURAL RESOURCES WAS WHEN WE SAY OPEN SPACE, WHAT DO WE MEAN? UM, SO I THINK THIS HIGHLIGHTS THAT SAME ISSUE.
SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S REMOVING IT OR IF IT'S CREATING CLARITY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NATURAL OPEN SPACES TO BE UNPERTURBED BY HUMAN INTERFERENCE, BUT, WELL, NO, I MEAN, THEY DO NEED TO BE STEWARDED, BUT WE DON'T NEED TO PLANT A BUNCH OF TREES IN THEM.
SO YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT IN OSM FOUR SHOULD BE DESCRIBED AS NATURAL OPEN SPACES INSTEAD OF JUST OPEN SPACES? YEAH, I THINK IT'S SOMEWHERE CLEAR.
I THINK IT'S A LITTLE HELPFUL FOR PEOPLE.
UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO WE'RE, I'M JUST GONNA AMEND THAT TO SAY YOU, UH, YEAH.
SO IN OSM FOUR, IT SHOULD USE THE TERM NATURAL OPEN SPACES INSTEAD OF OPEN SPACES.
I DON'T HAVE ORIENTATION FOR THIS.
PETER SAID WE SHOULD REMOVE THE FIRST TWO LINES OF SOMETHING.
AND PARKING MANAGEMENT STRATEGY.
PAGE 64 IS WHAT I, I HAD PAGE 70, BUT UNDER PARKING MANAGEMENT STRATEGY, IT DEPENDS ON IF YOU'RE LOOKING.
AND I, I ALSO CLARIFICATION, I HAD REMOVE OR MODIFY THE FIRST TWO SENTENCES UNDER PARKING MANAGEMENT STRATEGY ON PAGE 70 TO CHANGE, KIND OF FLIP THE TONE TO MODIFY.
UM, COMMISSIONER FRY SUGGESTED WE CHANGE SENIOR TO SENIOR AND DIS DISABLED MOBILITY.
ANY, ANY QUESTIONS OR CHANGES ON THAT? WE, ON THAT WAS FOR, UM, IS IT MICRO MOBILITY? MM-HMM.
TRANSPORTATION SAYS SENIOR MOBILITY, I'M SORRY.
AND I'M JUST ASKING FOR IT TO BE CHANGED TO SENIOR AND DISABLED MOBILITY SERVICES CREATE A POLICY.
SO RIGHT NOW THE PHRASE SENIOR MOBILITY DOES NOT APPEAR IN THE DOCUMENT.
SO NICOLE, THAT PHRASE DOES NOT APPEAR IN THE DOCUMENT.
I THINK YOU'RE WANTING JOHN MENTIONED, INCLUDING IT, IT'S ON PAGE 1 75 AT THE VERY END IN THE APPENDIX.
WHAT AM I MISSING? HOW ABOUT THIS ONE? WAS I, I HAVE A DIFFERENT NUMBER UNDER TRANSPORTATION IN MY DOCUMENTS WAS THIS WAS MEANT TO BE ABOUT, UM, PLC, YOU ONE E EXAMINE REZONING TO ALLOW FOR LIGHT TOUCH MISSING HOUSING.
IS THAT THE NEXT ONE? THAT'S, YEAH, THAT'S A DIFFERENT ONE.
IT'S IN ONE OF THE APPENDICES.
SO THE DOCUMENT WE GOT FOR PLANNING HAD THOSE APPENDICES ATTACHED OF REFERENCE DOCUMENTS.
AND THIS IS UNDER APPENDIX A CITY SUSTAINABILITY PLANS, POLICIES AND PROGRAMS. PAGE 1 75 OF THE PDF IT SAYS SENIOR MOBILITY SERVICES SLASH FREE SHUTTLE.
UNDER TRANSPORTATION, IT SAYS NO EXISTING POLICY.
AND I THINK THAT WAS THE AREA YOU WANTED TO ADD DISABLED.
AND I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT, BUT WE CAN TAKE A STRAW POLL IN FAVOR.
UM, OKAY, NOW I, NOW WE HAVE TLUC ONE E PAGE 66, WORDING TWO
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SOFTEN LANGUAGE ABOUT IMPLEMENTATION OF SB 10 AND INCLUDE REFERENCE TO SB 6 84.SAY SOMETHING LIKE, IDENTIFY BEST PRACTICES FROM SB 10 AND WHATEVER.
SO TO INCLUDE IN THE WORDING, IDENTIFY BEST PRACTICES FROM SB 10, OR YOU COULD SAY, IDENTIFY AND IMPLEMENT BEST PRACTICES.
YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF LEAVE A LITTLE, LITTLE ROOM THERE.
I KIND OF LAUGHED MY ATTENTION THERE FOR A SECOND.
WAS, WAS SB 10, WAS THERE ALSO AN, AN INTEREST IN LOOKING AS ANDREW MENTIONED ABOUT, UH, I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS SB OR AB 6 48 YEAH.
TO INCLUDE THAT, THAT WAS INCLUDED.
DO WE NEED TO REDO THAT OR ARE WE GOOD? UM,
YOU UNDERSTAND? WE WANNA INCLUDE BOTH.
TRANSPORTATION AND LAND USE A T ONE.
THE DEFINITION OF COMPLETE STREETS.
STREETS NEEDS TO INCLUDE GREEN STREETS.
DID THAT ONE GET ADDRESSED BY THE, THE LITTLE BOX THAT HAD THAT ADDITION, THAT HAD THE DEFINITION IN IT? WELL, I HAD PROPOSED LANGUAGE.
SO I SAID NEED TO INCLUDE GREEN STREETS, TREES, LANDSCAPE, AND URBAN FOREST IMPERVIOUS PAVEMENT REDUCTION WHEN IT'S NOT USEFUL, AS WELL AS PEDESTRIAN BIKE AND CAR.
CLEARLY FIND THAT IN THE DOCUMENT.
SO THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN A T ONE G.
SO WE'RE, AND IT'LL ALSO BE IN THE DEFINITION SECTION.
WELL, LET'S DEFINE IT IN THE DEFINITION SECTION.
'CAUSE THEN, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIST IT ALL OUT, OVER AND OVER, YOU KNOW, ARE WE, ARE WE, ARE WE DEFINING THE, THE ELEMENTS OF A COMPLETE STREET? IS THAT, OR ARE WE YEAH.
DEFINING, ARE WE OUTLINING THINGS WE WANT TO MAKE SURE ARE INCLUDED IN DEVELOPMENT OF UPDATED STREET SCAPE STANDARDS? THE LATTER.
AND, AND I THINK I, BECAUSE I, I HAD TWO THINGS DOWN.
I HAD HEARD FROM COMMISSIONER EDM ADMINSTER ABOUT OUTLINING CRITERIA TO BE INCLUDED IN UPDATED STREET SCAPE STANDARDS.
AND FROM COMMISSIONER BAKER, I HAD MAKE A, MADE A NOTE ABOUT DEFINING COMPLETE STREETS OR ELIMINATING THE USE OF THE TERM.
SO MAYBE THEY'RE TWO DIFFERENT ITEMS. WELL, I THINK THEY'RE PRETTY CLOSELY RELATED.
IT, IN OTHER WORDS, ONCE WE SPECIFY ALL THOSE THINGS, THAT WILL CONSTITUTE OUR DEFINITION OF COMPLETE STREET.
SO WHEN WE DEVELOP THOSE STANDARDS, WE'LL HAVE THE DEFINITION.
BUT I THINK WE'RE SAYING THAT THESE ARE THE ELEMENTS THAT THAT DEFINITION NEEDS TO ADDRESS.
I THINK IT'D BE GOOD TO HAVE IT IN THE DEFINITIONS.
'CAUSE THE, IS IT COMES IN IN LIKE OTHER DOCUMENTS, RIGHT? LIKE GRANT APPLICATIONS AND THINGS LIKE, HERE'S YOUR COMPLETE STREET APPLICATION.
AND SO YOU GET THIS KIND OF, THIS DEFINITION COMING IN OVER HERE.
BUT WE WANNA HOLD THIS DEFINITION THAT INCLUDES EVERYTHING.
SO I THINK WE SHOULD STATE IT IN THE DEFINITIONS, WHAT A COMPLETE STREET IS FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE CITY OF PETALUMA.
OR IN ORDER TO BE A COMPLETE STREET, IT NEEDS TO ADDRESS THESE ELEMENTS.
BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA SAY LIKE, WHAT, WHAT IS THIS TREE CANOPY PERCENTAGE AND HOW SHOULD THE TREATS BE PLANTED? NO, IT'S GONNA VARY ON EVERY STREET.
WE'RE JUST IDENTIFYING ITS COMPONENTS.
SO IN THE DEFINITION SECTION OF COMPLETE STREETS, WE'RE GONNA DEFINE IT AS INCLUDING TREES, LANDSCAPING, URBAN FORESTRY, IMPERVIOUS PAVEMENT REDUCTION.
WE HAVE A, WHEN WE HAVE ALL THE MOBILITY CONCERNS, RIGHT.
WE HAVE PEDESTRIAN, UM, BIKE, SENIOR AND DISABLED.
YOU RATTLED OFF A PRETTY GOOD ONE.
UPDATE CITY'S COMPLETE STREETS POLICY TO INCORPORATE SPECIFICATIONS FOR TREE CANOPY, TREE TYPE PLANNING AND CARE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE INFRASTRUCTURE, TRANSIT STOPS, REMOVAL OF IMPERVIOUS COVER
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WERE NOT NEEDED.DO YOU WANNA JUST SEND THAT? I CAN, I CAN GIVE IT TO YOU IN, UH, DIGITAL FORM.
SO ANN WILL SEND THAT TOO IN DIGITAL FORM, BUT WE ALL HEARD IT IN FAVOR.
I WANTED TO GET HIM IN BEFORE YOU VOTED ON THAT, BUT I DIDN'T.
BUT COULD YOU CHANGE PEDESTRIAN? BICYCLE AND ROLLING.
IT'S, IT'S A, SO ROLLING'S GOOD.
IT DOESN'T INCLUDE WHEELCHAIRS.
DOES YEAH, IT BICYCLE DOESN'T INCLUDE NO, NO.
WHAT I SAID WAS ROLLING INCLUDES BICYCLES.
IT DOES, BUT THAT'S GENERALLY NOT ACCEPTED FOR SOME REASON.
BUT YES, WE LIKE ROLLING WHEN WE'RE DISABLED.
UM, IN THE BUILDING SECTION, UH, VICE MAYOR SHRI SUGGESTED THAT WE EXPLICITLY BE MORE EXPLICIT ABOUT HAVING MORE HOUSING FOR WORKFORCE.
I KNOW IT WAS IN THERE, BUT HE'S SAYING WE SHOULD MAKE IT MORE ROBUST.
IS THAT A SUGGESTION THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE? COULD YOU STATE THAT AGAIN? UM, SO THE SAY IT DID MENTION THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE HOUSING FOR WORK, YOU KNOW, FOR THE, THE WHOLE WORKFORCE.
AND HE'S SAYING THAT WE SHOULD MAKE THAT MORE EXPLICIT AND ROBUST INSTEAD OF JUST LIKE A LITTLE MENTION IN THE BUILDING SECTION.
AND, AND ACTUALLY EXPLAIN WHY.
BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S TO REDUCE THE, UH, TRANSPORTATION BETWEEN CITIES THAT SINCE 30% OF OUR FOLKS LEAVE THE CITY OR COME, COME TO ANOTHER 30% COME TO OUR CITY.
UM, THAT'S THE AREA WE REALLY NEED TO WORK ON.
AND SO THAT'S NOT QUITE IN THERE ENOUGH.
AND SO THIS IS AN AREA WHERE YOU SAY AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR WORKFORCE, SO TO REDUCE THE, THE TRANSPORT BETWEEN CITIES.
SO IT IS IN THERE, BUT YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT IT SHOULD BE IN THERE MORE EXPLICITLY THAT CONNECTED TO REDUCTION OF THE ACTUAL TRANSPORTS.
SO THERE'S A, A MAIN PURPOSE BEHIND IT BESIDES JUST HAVING FOLKS WORK HERE.
UM, REASON IS, IS GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTION.
ANY, ANY CLARITY ON THAT? ANYBODY? ANY CLARITY BEFORE WE VOTE? OKAY.
ALSO, JUST BACK TO THE TRANSPORTATION, HOPEFULLY WE DIDN'T MISS IT, BUT TO, UM, WHEN WE SAY SAFE AND COMPLETE STREETS, THAT WHEN THE POLICY SAYS, OH, WE ARE GOING TO SUPPORT AND, AND DO SAFE COMPLETE STREETS TO ALSO INCLUDE THE TERM PATHS AND TRAILS, SO STREETS, PATHS, AND TRAILS, SO THAT WE ARE GONNA, UM, DO ALL OF THAT.
SO COMPLETE STREETS HAS ITS OWN DEFINITION AS TO WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, BUT WE'RE DEVELOPING THIS HUGE EFFORT IN OUR ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN FOR, FOR TRAILS AND PATHWAYS, WHICH ARE, ARE DIFFERENT, UH, BY DEFINITION, I THINK.
UM, SO WE HAVE TO ABUSE BOTH THOSE TERMS THAT, UM, THEY NEED TO BE SAFE AND THEY NEED TO BE COMPLETE FOR, FOR EVERYONE THAT'S ROLLING DOWN OR WALKING DOWN THESE PATHWAYS THAT ARE INDEPENDENT FROM STREETS.
'CAUSE STREETS ALONE DON'T DO IT FOR ME.
IN FACT, NOBODY WANTS, WANTS THE BIKE PATH WEIGHS ON, ON THE STREETS.
THEY, EVERYONE SAYS, UM, THAT I CAN READ RESEARCH ON SAYS THE BEST THING YOU CAN DO IS GET, GET ALL THESE PATHWAYS OFF THE STREETS.
SO THAT, THAT'S NOT QUITE IN THE DOCUMENT.
VERY MUCH TALKING ABOUT ALL THE TRAILS AND PATHWAYS BEING A VERY DOMINANT, TAKING OUR ROAD MONIES AND PUTTING IT INTO THESE PATHWAYS AND TRAILS.
AND DO YOU, WILL YOU PLEASE ADD THAT? UNLESS ANYBODY HAS AN, SO BASICALLY NOT JUST ON THE, GOING BACK TO THE COMPLETE STREETS, JUST ADD INSTEAD OF JUST STREETS, RIGHT.
AND EVEN TO SAY TO, TO, TO SUPPORT MULTI MODALITY.
UM, SO, UH, WE, ONE, WE HAD SOMEBODY SUGGEST THAT INSTEAD OF SAYING CITIZENS, WE SAY RESIDENTS.
UM, I THINK THAT ONE'S PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ONE? YEAH.
UM, VICE MAYOR SHRUBS, I HAVE A NOTE THAT SAYS UNDER THE CLEAN ENERGY IT SAID HARDER GOAL ON ENERGY QUESTION MARK.
CAN YOU PLEASE ELABORATE ON THAT? I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON THERE.
UM, I WAS TALKING ABOUT, UM, SO THAT NUMBER OF CITIZENS SIGNED UP WITH THE, UH, 100% RENEWABLE SONOMA CLEAN POWER
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PROGRAM.THAT WE TARGET, UM, THAT WE OWE, THAT WE MOVE OVER TO A HUNDRED PERCENT.
I I THINK 50% WOULD BE REALLY NICE, I THINK ACHIEVABLE.
BUT I WOULD GO WITH BEN AND SAY, OH, WELL, WE'LL DO, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S GO FOR A HUNDRED PERCENT
I THINK AT ONE POINT WE HAD SOMETHING IN THERE, BUT BECAUSE WE HAVE NO, THE CITY OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, PUBLICIZING, UM, THE EVERGREEN, THERE'S NO, UM, WE CAN'T MANDATE, RIGHT.
CAN WE, CAN WE USE THIS, NOT MANDATE IT, BUT JUST USE IT AS A METRIC OF MEASURE OF, OF SUPPORT? I THINK IT IS A, A METRIC ALREADY.
IT ALREADY IN THERE, NOT SPECIFICALLY, WE'RE JUST SAYING WE'RE GONNA USE METRICS TO DO THINGS.
BUT I I, I WANT TO THAT TO BE A SPECIFIC METRIC THAT WE USE.
THE FIRST RECOMMENDED PERFORMANCE AND EQUITY METRIC IS PARTICIPATION IN BOTH CLEAN START AND EVERGREEN PROGRAMS. AND THE, IT'S CURRENTLY LISTED IN THE NARRATIVE AT THIS POINT WHERE, WHAT THE PERCENTAGES WERE IN 2020.
DOES, DOES IT NEED TO BE IN ANY OF THE, UM, ACTUAL ACTIONS OTHER THAN A NARRATIVE? I THINK IT'S PART OF OUR METRICS TO SEE HOW WE'RE DOING ON, ON OUR GOALS, ON THE BIG, BIG GOALS.
THAT'S HOW WE'RE SEEING WHETHER WE'RE DOING IT OR NOT.
I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE AN ADDITION TO WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO MODIFY, BUT THE BACKSTORY OF WHY THIS LANGUAGE IS IMPRECISE IS BECAUSE THERE WAS ORIGINALLY A SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATION FOR CINEMA, CLEAN POWER'S, EVERGREEN TARIFF.
AND I MADE THE COMMENT, THERE ARE NOW GOING TO BE MULTIPLE DIFFERENT TYPES OF TARIFFS, AND YOU GENERALLY WOULDN'T WANT THIS POLICY DOCUMENT TO BE LIKE, SPECIFIC TO A UTILITY TARIFF AND TO MAKE IT BROADER TO A HUNDRED PERCENT RENEWABLE.
SO NOW WE'RE IN THIS PLACE WHERE WE HAVE AN INELEGANT PHRASING, BUT IT'S, THE INTENT WAS TO GO BEYOND JUST RECOMMENDING PEOPLE ADOPT THE EVERGREEN PROGRAM, UM, AND WHATEV AND RATHER ADVOCATE FOR THE BEST PATH FOR THEM TO ACHIEVE A HUNDRED PERCENT RENEWABLE ENERGY, BE IT ONSITE COMMUNITY, SOLAR, LOCAL SOLAR, REGIONAL SOLAR, EVERGREEN, ET CETERA.
UM, SO DO WE NEED TO DO ANYTHING ON THAT OR ARE WE GOOD THERE? YOUR, YOUR, YOUR POINT WAS TO HAVE A GOAL STATEMENT AROUND IT, RIGHT? UM, LIKE A PERCENTAGE ACHIEVEMENT, RIGHT.
A PERCENTAGE TO AS AN INDICATION OF SUCCESS THAT WE HAVE THAT ACHIEVED, ACHIEVED A GOAL OF A HIGH, AT LEAST A HIGH PERCENTAGE OF A CONVERSION.
WHERE WOULD THAT, WHERE WOULD, SO I'M, I'M NOT SURE WHERE THAT, THAT FITS WITH.
I'M NOT SURE IF WE HAVE A, UH, SPECIFIC SET OF GOALS THAT ARE IN METRICS.
HERE ARE THE METRICS OF OUR GOALS.
UM, THIS AGAIN, WITH THE VISION OF WHAT THE VISION STORY OF WHAT WE WANNA SEE, IT WOULD BE LIKE, THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANNA SEE.
WE WANNA SEE 25%, UH, OR, OR 50% OF OF TRIPS BE MADE BY, UM, EITHER VARIOUS THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN OR, AND THEN WE ALSO WANNA SEE THE, UM, A HIGH INCREASE IN, IN THE EVERGREEN PROGRAM.
AND THEN, UM, AND TO SEE A HEALTHIER LIFESTYLE, UH, THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE CITY WITH BY BLUE ZONES.
SO THAT, IN THAT VISION STATEMENT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE CAN SET THESE ARE, THIS IS WHAT, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
AND THAT'S WHAT'S WHAT I'M MISSING IS WHAT, WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT GOAL IS OF SUCCESS.
SO, AND MAYBE SOME BENEFITS, JUST A SUGGESTION, MAYBE WE COULD, UM, SUGGEST A ADDING A SUB ITEM TO CE THREE.
CE THREE IS LOCAL RENEWABLE ENERGY GENERATION.
UM, THE UMBRELLAS SAYS BY 2026, CONTINUE SUPPORTING THE LOCAL GENERATION OF RENEWABLE ENERGY BY, SO YOU'VE GOT A, B, C, D, IF WE ADDED AN ITEM E, UM, EDUCATING AND ENCOURAGING LOCAL BUSINESSES AND RESIDENCES TO, UH, AT OPT INTO A HUNDRED PERCENT RENEWABLE ENERGY.
EDUCATING AND ENCOURAGING LOCAL, LOCAL BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTS TO OPT INTO 100% RENEWABLE ENERGY.
I, I GUESS, I MEAN, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A GOAL AND A TARGET.
UM, I'M CURIOUS, I GUESS IF WE WERE TO LIKE SET, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW THE, THERE'S MATH IN THIS DOCUMENT
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BASED ON SOME ASSUMPTION OF PARTICIPATION.AND IF WE WERE TO GO AND ADD A GOAL AT THIS DOCUMENT, IT WOULD PRESUMPTIVELY CHANGE THE MATH.
UM, VERSUS SOMETHING LIKE IN THE MONITORING AND REPORTING SECTION, YOU KNOW, HAVE A REPORT OUT OF OUR PARTICIPATION LEVEL AND THEN ESTABLISH A GOAL IN THE FUTURE, I GUESS, AS MORE OF A POLICY MAKING EXERCISE.
I DON'T THINK AD HOC CREATING A GOAL NOW WOULD BE THE BEST, EVEN THOUGH I THINK WE ALL WANT THAT.
WE COULD SAY, CREATE A GOAL AROUND, OH, SEE, WE COULD JUST ADD MORE GENERICALLY AT THE END OF THE SENTENCE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE GOAL OF GETTING TO A HUNDRED PERCENT PARTICIPATION OVER TIME OR SOMETHING.
YOU KNOW, JUST THE, DOES THAT, DOES THAT WORK? IF, IF I CAN JUMP IN.
UM, CORNERSTONE ACTION CE ONE TALKS ABOUT THE BARRIERS TO RENEWABLE ENERGY USE.
UM, IT, IT, YOU KNOW, THE PURPOSE OF THAT IS TO WORK WITH SCP AND PG E TO IDENTIFY THE BARRIERS, UM, FOR PARTICIPATION AT THE A HUNDRED PERCENT RENEWABLE TIER.
AND TO DEVELOP A, AND CONDUCT A ROBUST AWARENESS AND EDUCATION CAMPAIGN TO BOOST ENROLLMENT TO, WITH THE GOAL OF A HUNDRED PERCENT PARTICIPATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THAT GETS TO VICE CHAIR PETER'S COMMENT ABOUT THERE CAN BE PARTICIPATION IN PROGRAMS BEYOND JUST UTILITY PROGRAMS, COMMUNITY SOLAR, YOU KNOW, SOLAR ON YOUR OWN ROOF DOESN'T REALLY GET CAPTURED IN THAT.
BUT, UM, BUT THEN CE THREE DOES KIND OF TALK ABOUT LOCAL RENEWABLE ENERGY GENERATION.
SO MAYBE YOU COULD ADD TARGET INFORMATION TO ONE OF THOSE EXISTING ONES.
SO CAN WE SAY, UM, ADD TARGET GOALS TO CE ONE AND CE THREE E OR ADD TO, UH, LIKE MAYBE CREATE GOALS, TARGET GOALS FOR CE ONE AND C GIVEN THAT CE ONE IS VERY SPECIFICALLY ABOUT SONOMA CLEAN POWER, THAT WOULD BE THE PLACE TO STICK IT.
IT'S THE CLEANEST AND CLEAREST AND WE CAN ADD IN A, A TARGET EITHER TO DEFINE A TARGET OR TO SPECIFY A SPECIFIC NUMBER THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE.
YOU ULTIMATELY, YOU'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE A HUNDRED PERCENT IN EVERGREEN, ULTIMATELY OVER TIME, BUT THAT'S A LONG WAY OFF IN THE FUTURE.
SO WOULD THE, WOULD THE WORDING BE THAT COUNCIL SHOULD COME UP WITH A TARGET GOAL, OR, OR WOULD THE, WOULD THE SUGGESTION FROM US BE THE TARGET GOAL SHOULD BE A HUNDRED PERCENT FOR CE 100% PARTICIPATION.
I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT STAFF DO IT IN CONJUNCTION WITH SONOMA CLEAN POWER AND PROBABLY THE CAC AS A DISCUSSION ITEM, GIVEN THAT IT'S GONNA BE DIFFICULT TO DO SPECIFICALLY.
SO STAFF CREATE A TARGET GOAL, UH, IN, IN CONJUNCTION WITH SON CLEAN POWER FOR CE ONE.
IS THAT RIGHT? NO, THAT'S NOT GOOD.
SO THE LAST ONE THAT I HAVE, AND YOU GUYS CAN TELL ME IF, IF I MISSED ANYTHING, UM, IS HOW DO WE CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION? IT'S A QUESTION, BUT I, FOR US TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THIS, HOW DO WE CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE 60% VERSUS THE A HUNDRED PERCENT? 'CAUSE THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE FELT LIKE WE WERE DOING
UM, LIKE IF I WAS TRYING TO SELL MY HOUSE FOR A MILLION DOLLARS AND I GO ONLY GOT $600,000, THAT WOULD BE A PRETTY BIG BUMMER FOR ME.
AND THAT'S WHAT THIS FEELS LIKE TO ME.
UM, WHAT WE ALL AGREED ON CITY, EVERYBODY IS, IS TO DO WHAT IT TAKES AND TO GET TO A HUNDRED PERCENT.
SO HOW, HOW DO WE FIT THAT IN HERE? WELL, I HAD POINTED OUT THAT, UM, FIGURE 13 ON PAGE 48 SHOWS AND SAYS THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
I THINK IF WE MOVE THAT UP INTO THE INTRODUCTORY PAGES AND SAY, THIS IS STILL OUR GOAL.
THIS DOCUMENT DOESN'T GET US THERE, AND THEREFORE WE NEED TO BE CONSTANTLY REVISING AND UPPING OUR GAME.
SOMETHING TO THAT GENERAL EFFECT.
SO THINK EARLY PROMINENT, STRONG LANGUAGE TO THAT EFFECT.
HAVE YOU MAYBE ALREADY HANDLED THAT BY THE POINT EARLIER ABOUT EXECUTIVE
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SUMMARY BEING MORE PERSUASIVE? YEAH.I MEAN, WHAT ABOUT SOMETHING EXPLICIT? LIKE, UM, REVISIT THIS DOCUMENT IN 2027 OR 20 28, 20? I DON'T KNOW ABOUT 28, BUT
SO YEAH, I MEAN, I GUESS AN EXPLICIT GOAL THAT WE ARE GOING TO REVISIT THIS PLANNING ITEM AND DOUBLE DOWN ON OUR GOAL TO ACHIEVE CARBON NEUTRAL.
I, I, I THINK THERE'S SOME ACTIONS THAT TALK ABOUT LIKE, REVISITING AND STUFF, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S AN EXPLICIT GOAL TO BRIDGE THE GAP.
AND THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION.
ONE OTHER THOUGHT IS TO, UM, LAY OUT A PROCESS TO WORK WITH SONOMA COUNTY AND STATE GOVERNMENT AND REGIONAL GOVERNMENTS TO IDENTIFY WHAT ARE THE MISSING PIECES TO GET TO OUR GOAL AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WORK COLLABORATIVELY WITH THOSE JURISDICTIONS TO MOVE THOSE MISSING PIECES FORWARD.
'CAUSE WE'RE KIND OF DEPENDENT ON THE STATE AND THE, YOU KNOW, REGIONAL AND THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION.
THERE'S A BUNCH OF STUFF THAT'S KIND OF WE'RE DEPENDENT ON, AND SO WE COULD IDENTIFY WHAT COULD HELP US GET ACROSS THE FINISH LINE.
I MEAN, I LIKE BOTH OF THOSE THINGS, I GUESS.
WHAT'S THAT? I LIKE BOTH OF THOSE THINGS.
YEAH, I THINK I WAS, I WAS SAYING AND YEAH, TO WHAT YOU SAID, I THINK THAT THAT, AND WE DO KIND OF, I THINK THERE IS A, ISN'T THERE A CORNERSTONE ACTION AROUND IDENTIFYING, YOU KNOW, POLICIES AND BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES AROUND THE STATE ALREADY? MM-HMM.
SO, SO ANYWAY, MAYBE JUST MAYBE JUST HAVING AN EFFORT AROUND WHAT ARE THE MISSING PIECES? KIND OF CONTINUE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT WOULD REALLY MOVE THE NEEDLE AND WHERE WOULD THAT FIT.
MAYBE THAT'S IN THE, UM, IN THE STAFFING SECTION.
ARE WE JUST ASKING FOR A PERIODIC REVIEW OF, OF WHERE WE'RE AT AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO MOVE FORWARD? AND THAT, THAT PERIOD NEEDS TO BE MORE FREQUENT THAN
BECAUSE IF WE WANNA DO THINGS THAT ARE IN THIS PLAN, WE NEED TO FOCUS ON WHAT'S IN THIS PLAN AND IMPLEMENTING IT.
AND I'M WORRIED BY THE TIME, I MEAN, THIS TOOK US A YEAR.
AND SO IF WE'RE REVISITING THE PLAN EVERY TWO YEARS, THAT'S A LOT OF STAFF RESOURCES.
I WASN'T PROPOS REVISITING THE PLAN.
I'VE SEEN JUST, UM, SAYING, HAVE WE ACCOMPLISHED IT? IT WAS TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE IMPLEMENTATION.
SO REPORTING, EVALUATE THE IMPLEMENTATION, REPORTING UP.
SO I THINK WE HAVE SOMEWHERE AROUND WHAT OUR, ARE, ERIC'S MESSING WITH ME, IT'S LATE AND I'M LIKE,
MONITOR PROGRESS, MONITOR THE PROGRESS OF THE BLUEPRINT IMPLEMENTATION AND TAKE CORRECTIVE ACTIONS TO ENSURE PROGRAMS ARE ADVANCING.
AND THE CITY IS ON TRACK TO ACHIEVE THE CARBON NEUTRALITY TARGETS.
SO THIS IS MR. R ONE PAGE, UH, 1 0 2.
DO WE WANNA DO THAT ANNUALLY OR, AND THEN IT SAYS FREQUENTLY, AND THEN IT HAS A NUMBER OF THINGS IN IT.
IT SAYS, ESTABLISH ANNUAL GHG BUDGET FOR CITY RUN AND CITY CONTROLLED ACTIVITIES.
ESTABLISH PROCEDURES AND TEMPLATES FOR DEPARTMENTS TO KEEP RECORDS AND DATA.
DEVELOP A DASHBOARD ON THE CITY WEBSITE FOR THE PUBLIC TO VIEW ANNUAL IMPLEMENTATION PROGRESS.
SO IT'S, UH, AND COMMUNITY-WIDE ACTIVITIES USE DASHBOARD AS THE BLUEPRINT'S ANNUAL REPORT PUBLISH ONLINE AND PRESENT TO THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION.
SO IT HAS REPORTING OUT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS TO SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE YEAR, BUT NOT NECESSARILY REOPENING TO AMEND THE BLUEPRINT.
AND THERE WAS ONE MENTION OF CORRECTIVE ACTIONS.
IS THAT, IS THAT FELT LIKE, IS THAT SUFFICIENT? SUFFICIENT FOR ME, YEAH.
SO IF WE FOUND, AS WE WERE REPORTING OUT THAT SOMETHING'S REALLY AMISS, IT ALLOW, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, I THINK LOOKING
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FOR WHAT WE NEED TO.SO I, I FEEL LIKE IT'S COVERED WITH, WITH MR. R ONE TO WHAT I'M HEARING, UM, THE CONCERN BEING.
BUT, UM, BUT THERE'S ALSO THE POINT ABOUT FIGURE 13 AND TAKING FIGURE 13 AND PUTTING IT KIND OF INTO THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY AND, UH, TALKING, BEING COMPLETELY TRANSPARENT THAT THIS PLAN AS IS, IS LOOKING AT A 61% AND OUR GOAL IS CARBON NEUTRALITY, AND WE NEED TO KEEP WORKING TOWARDS IT FULL STEAM AHEAD.
IT COMES INTO, UM, OSS, LIKE IT'S A OSS TWO IS WHERE I WOULD PUT IT, WHICH IS MORE IN ACTION THAN IN MONITORING.
UM, ESTABLISH A CLIMATE TEAM WITH THE DEPARTMENTAL BLUEPRINT COORDINATORS, ESTABLISH QUARTERLY CLIMATE TEAM MEETINGS, REQUIRE EVERY CITY DEPARTMENT TO ASSIGN A BLUEPRINT COORDINATOR, MAYBE ADD AN AN E YOU KNOW, THAT INCLUDES A, AN ANNUAL, WHAT MORE CAN WE DO CONVERSATION OR, UM, THAT REALLY PUTS IT ON THE, THE MANAGEMENT TEAM OF THE CITY AND OF THIS PROCESS TO KIND OF BE LOOKING FORWARD INTO OTHER RESOURCES AND THINGS.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I WONDER IF JUST FROM A CHANGE MANAGEMENT PERSPECTIVE, YOU RUN THE RISK OF SPENDING A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT WHAT YOU OUGHT TO BE DOING AS OPPOSED TO DOING IT AND WELL, I'M ONLY SAYING THAT THAT'S KIND OF LIKE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY DO VERY PERIODICALLY IS KIND OF, ISN'T THAT ALREADY IN THERE? YEAH, I AGREE.
YOU DON'T WANT TO EAT YOUR TAIL THE WHOLE TIME.
YOU KINDA JUST NEED TO GET ON.
BUT YOU DO WANNA BE ABLE TO COURSE CORRECT.
SO YOU, YOU HAVE A, A TWO RELATED PROCESSES.
ONE PROCESSES IS INTERNAL, AND THAT'S THE DEPARTMENTS AS PART OF THE CLIMATE TEAM PARTICIPATING IN ACTIVITIES ANNUALLY.
AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE MENTIONING, IT'S OSS DASH TWO.
AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE LOOKING AT THE PROGRAMS ARE DOING, LEVERAGING EACH OTHER'S RESOURCES AND MAKING SURE YOU'RE ON TRACK AND IMPLEMENTING TOWARDS YOUR GOALS.
PART OF THAT WOULD BE THE COLLECTION OF DATA AND THE PUBLISHING OF DATA MORE PUBLICLY, THAT'S R DASH ONE.
AND THEN REPORTING THAT OUT MORE BROADLY.
SO YOU HAVE AN INTERNAL PROCESS TO TAKE CORRECTIVE ACTION.
AND THEN THAT CAN BE SHARED MORE LARGELY WITH THE COMMUNITY CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION TO THEN MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE ON TRACK AND TAKING THE RIGHT CORRECTIVE ACTIONS.
SO I THINK THERE ARE SORT OF TWO RELATED AND NESTED PRACTICES.
WELL, I MEAN, THAT JUST SEEMS TO BE THE PLACE THAT WE COULD PUT IT.
'CAUSE THE, THIS SECTION IS TITLED CARBON NEUTRAL MANAGEMENT ACTION PLAN, ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE AND STAFFING STRATEGY.
AND THEN THE, THE, IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST TASK OF THIS TEAM IS OVERSEEING THE BLUEPRINT IMPLEMENTATION.
YOU KNOW, SO TO THE EXTENT THAT WE'RE SHORT OF OUR GOAL, IT SEEMS LIKE IT SHOULD LAND IN THIS BUCKET.
IS THAT THE BUCKET YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? SORRY, O SS TWO IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BUCKET? YEAH.
UM, ITEM C AND OSS TWO IS THAT THE END OF EACH CALENDAR, YOU'RE CONVENING A MEETING WITH THE CLIMATE TEAM, DEPARTMENT HEADS AND DEPARTMENTAL CAP COORDINATORS TO DISCUSS THE UPCOMING YEAR'S PRIORITIES FOR THE BLUEPRINT IMPLEMENTATION, DECIDE ON COURSE CORRECTIONS AND UPDATED WORK PLANS BASED ON THE PROGRESS ACHIEVED OR LACK THEREOF TOWARD KEY MILESTONES.
YEAH, I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT JUST SHOULD BE AMENDED TO, UM, TOWARD THE CARBON NEUTRALITY 23 CARBON TOWARD THE CARBON NEUTRALITY GOAL.
SO YOU'RE SAYING WE'RE TRYING TO GET OUT SO THAT IT'S NOT LIMITED TO THE BLUEPRINT.
IT'S, IT'S WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF OKAY, GOT IT.
SO, UM, A RELATED THOUGHT, AND I REMEMBER THIS CAME UP FOR ME IN OUR, OUR EARLIER REVIEWS.
I ACTUALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE CARBON NEUTRAL MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS PLAN RISE TO THE TOP IN CHAPTER FIVE, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY ALL THIS STUFF COMES DOWN TO ADEQUATE STAFFING TO GET S**T DONE,
EVERYTHING ELSE FALLS OUT FROM DO WE HAVE ADEQUATE STAFFING? HAVE WE COMMITTED THE RESOURCES? AND SO LIKE THIS WHOLE ACCOUNTABILITY THING, MONITORING AND REPORTING, LIKE ALL OF THIS IS ABSOLUTELY CRUCIAL.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S JUST A LATE BREAKING RECOMMENDATION THAT WE BUMP THAT TO THE TOP OF CHAPTER FIVE.
SO LET, LET'S FINISH THIS ONE THING FIRST, WHICH IS, UM,
UH, COMMISSIONER BAKER, WOULD YOU MIND REPEATING THE THING THAT YOU, UH, SO OSS TWO, MICROPHONE, OH, THE OSS
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TWO C, UM, AMENDED TO SAY, UM, LET'S SEE.DECIDE ON COURSE CORRECTIONS AND UPDATED WORK PLANS BASED ON THE PROGRESS ACHIEVED OR LACK THEREOF TOWARDS KEY MILESTONES.
UM, I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW TO SAY THIS.
AND, UM, IS IT MAYBE TO JUST REVIEW, REVIEW, UM, YOU KNOW, NEW BEST PRACTICES AND POLICY, UM, TO CONTINUE TO WORK AGGRESSIVELY TOWARD THE 2030 CARBON NEUTRALITY GOAL? COULD WE SAY, DECIDE ON COURSE CORRECTIONS AND UPDATED WORK PLANS BASED ON THE PROGRESS ACHIEVED OR LACK THEREOF TOWARDS THE CITY'S CLA CARBON NEUTRALITY GOAL? YES.
SO BASICALLY WE'RE JUST CHANGING, INSTEAD OF SAYING TOWARDS KEY MILESTONES, WE'RE SAYING TOWARDS THE CITY'S CARBON NEUTRALITY GOAL IN FAVOR.
I MEAN, I WANNA SAY, I WOULD SAY KEY MILESTONES AND CARBON NEUTRALITY GOAL.
'CAUSE I THINK KEY MILESTONES IS GOOD TOO, HONESTLY.
AND THAT'S FINE TO BE OKAY WITH THAT.
YEAH, UNLESS ANYBODY POSES THAT, I THINK THAT'S FINE.
UM, COMMISSIONER EDM MINSTER JUST THREW ONE, THREW ONE ON THE TABLE LAST MINUTE.
THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO, IN THE MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS SECTION, JUST MOVE THE, UM, THE REPORTING UP? NO, NO.
TO MOVE THE WHOLE MUNICIPAL REPORTING TO THE TOP OF CHAPTER FIVE.
SO IT SHOULD BE THE FIRST ACTION PLAN.
CAN I ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION? DO YOU MEAN THE ENTIRE MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS SECTION OR JUST THE SINGLE STRATEGY WITHIN THE ACTION PLANS? I THINK THE WHOLE THING.
THE ENTIRE MUNICIPAL OPERATION SECTION.
SO STAFFING STRATEGY MONITORING, STRATEGY, Z EV'S, ELECTRIFICATION OF BUILDINGS.
MOVE MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS TO FIRST ACTION PLAN.
ARE THERE ANY THAT I MISSED? WHAT SECTION ARE WE ON? WE'RE DONE.
LIKE I, I'VE GONE THROUGH ALL OF THEM.
ARE THERE ANY THAT I MISSED? ALRIGHT, LET THEY JUST ADD, UH, SOMETHING IN HERE.
UM, JUST IN, IN THE, UH, THE, JUST FOR THE SLIDESHOW THAT YOU GAVE US AT THE VERY BEGINNING AS A PRESENTATION, UH, WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT, UM, WHAT WAS CLIMATE CHANGE ACTIONS AND WHAT WAS ADAPTATION AND THAT THOSE ARE SEPARATING THE TWO, UM, JUST YOU HAD THREE ITEMS IN THE ADAPTATION, BUT THERE'S ACTUALLY FIVE OR SIX ACTUAL ITEMS, SO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE INCLUSIVE IN, IN ADAPTATION.
AND NOT ONLY IN THAT, THAT ONE PARTICULAR SLIDE THAT YOU PRESENTED TO US TONIGHT, WHICH I ASSUME IS GONNA BE PRESENTED AGAIN, UM, BECAUSE YOU, YOU MISSED OUT ON, UH, DROUGHT RESILIENCY AND FLOOD MANAGEMENT IS BEING ANOTHER TWO AREAS, UH, FOR ADAPTATION.
AND, UH, THERE MAY BE ANOTHER ONE I CAN'T THINK OF AT THE MOMENT.
UM, WHICH ALSO BRINGS ME TO THE WHOLE INTRODUCTION OF, OF THE, THE, THE BLUEPRINT THAT WE HAVE HERE.
UM, MAKING SURE THAT AS WE, IN THE DISCUSSIONS, UM, SINCE WE'RE MOVING THE ADAPTATION TO THE GENERAL PLAN TO ACTUALLY HAVE A, UH, I'M NOT, I FORGET IF IT'S IN THERE OR NOT, BUT MAYBE A, A, UM, A SMALL SECTION IN THAT INTRODUCTION SAYING WE, WE ARE MOVING ADAPTATION TO, UH, A DIFFERENT PACKAGE, UM, THAT IS GONNA GO TO THE GENERAL PLAN, BUT IT DOES, BUT IT, BUT THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE ALL GOING TO GET COVERED.
AND THAT WOULD COVER THE FIVE, ACTUALLY, I THINK THERE'S SIX ACTUALLY.
I, UM, UH, THINGS IN ADAPTATION, UM, THAT I, THAT I REMEMBER SEEING ON SOMEBODY ELSE'S SLIDESHOW.
SO YOU HAD THREE LISTED ON YOURS, BUT I THINK THERE'S A TOTAL SIX.
SO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE MORE INCLUSIVE IN THAT.
AND THEN WE INCLUDE THAT, THAT BIT IN, IN OUR, UM, SAYING WHAT, WHAT ARE WE REALLY TALKING ABOUT HERE? SO IT'S REALLY CLEAR ADAPTATION IS SOMEWHERE ELSE, UH, ON THAT PART.
AND, UH, UM, AND SO I JUST WANNA GO BACK TO THE, UM, THE REQUEST FOR A, UM, A VISION, UH, IN THE INTRODUCTION OF WHAT, WHAT OUR VISION ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE.
UM, SO THERE'S A SEPARATE LITTLE STORYLINE THAT WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, BY 2030, WHAT DOES OUR LIFE HERE IN PETA LOOK LIKE? I THINK THAT WAS, THAT WAS INCLUDED IN NUMBER TWO.
THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY CHANGES.
OKAY, SO THEN, UM, WHAT WE NEED IS A MOTION TO APPROVE THE
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PLAN WITH THESE SUGGESTIONS.UH, I MEAN, APPROVE THE PLAN PERIOD.
AND WE HAVE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR COUNSEL.
AND SO NOW WE DO A VOTE, THOUGH.
THE WAY YOU PHRASED IT, YOU SAID, UM, COULD YOU YES.
SO I SAID WE'RE BASICALLY, WE'RE APPROVING THE PLAN AND WE HAVE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR COUNSEL.
SO WE DON'T GET TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THIS DOCUMENT.
WE CAN ONLY SAY WE APPROVE THIS PLAN AND WE RECOMMEND THAT YOU MAKE THESE CHANGES.
YOUR, I I WOULD SAY WITH THE FOLLOWING RECOMMENDATIONS RATHER THAN, AND IT'S A LITTLE STRONGER.
SO IT'S MAKING A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPT THE BLUEPRINT WITH, WITH THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, WITH THOSE 22 RECOMMENDATIONS.
DON'T APPROVE IT WITHOUT THIS.
COMMISSIONER EDM ADMINSTER? YES.
CONGRATS TO THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION.
THIS WAS A LONG HAUL FOR YOU GUYS AND YOU PUT IN A LOT OF GOOD WORK.
UM, AND IF YOU WANNA GO HOME, YOU CAN
UM, AND I'LL BRING THIS BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, TO THE EXTENT THAT OUR, UH, CLIMATE ACTION FRIENDS WANT TO WANT TO RETIRE FOR THE EVENING, UM, THEY'VE DONE, OH, ME, WHAT YOU JUST SAY.
I GUESS CLOSE THE, THE CAC C MEETING MAYBE, AND THEN THEY CAN LEAVE YOU OUT.
CLOSING THE CLIMATE ACTION PATIENT MEETING.
UM, THE COM CAC COMMISSIONERS ARE RELIEVED OF THEIR DUTIES FOR THE NIGHT.
UM, SO
WE'RE GONNA DO A RESOLUTION, UM, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE DO.
WE'RE, WE'RE A RESOLUTION TYPE OF GROUP, SO, UM, I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN A TON OF WORK DONE FOR US.
THANK YOU AGAIN TO THE CLIMATE ACTION FOLKS.
IS THERE ANYTHING OF THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE WISH TO NOT RECOMMEND DARREN? JUST ON THE RECOMMENDATION ON TLUC DASH ONE E, UH, AND I APPRECIATE AN INTER TRIPLE GIVING THAT KIND OF A WORD IN THERE, BUT MY POINT WAS TO JUST SOFTEN THE LANGUAGE ABOUT S SB 10.
I WASN'T GONNA INTERRUPT THEIR DELIBERATIONS.
I DON'T THINK IT'S EXACTLY ALONG THE SAME LINES AND IT'S KIND OF MORE ABOUT MINISTERIAL REVIEW.
SO I WOULD MOVE TO JUST REMOVE SB 6 84 FROM THAT PIECE, BUT KEEPING THE SOFTENING LANGUAGE AROUND IMPLEMENTATION THAT WE DISCUSSED.
UM, SO YEAH, I GUESS I'LL DO A STRAW POLL WITH PLANNING.
I'LL GIVE IF WE, BEFORE WE MOVE TO A STRAW POLL, I'LL JUST SAY THAT I DISAGREE AND THINK THAT WE SHOULD KEEP SB 10 AND 6 84.
IT IS PART OF THE LANDSCAPE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING, WHICH WE, WE DESPERATELY NEED.
SO I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE DEF UH, MOVING OURSELVES AWAY FROM, UM, WHAT WAS ALREADY WORKSHOPPED BY CLIMATE.
BUT IF WE WANNA DO A DROP HOLE, UH, SO IF YOU RAISE YOUR HAND, IT IS TO REMOVE 6 84.
DO YOU FOLKS WHO WISH TO REMOVE 6 84? DOESN'T CARRY.
ANY OTHER CHANGES? MY LAST ONE WAS REGARDING T DM ONE, AND THIS IS, I THINK IT'S JUST A WORDING ISSUE THAT I'M HAVING WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT CREATING THRESHOLDS AND MEETING WITH STAKEHOLDERS IN T DM TWO.
BUT IN T DM ONE, THE INITIAL WORDING IS A LITTLE UNCLEAR AND I WONDERED IF WE COULD SIMPLIFY IT AND MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
UH, AND THIS, DO YOU HAVE A PDF PAGE? AND THIS IS ON PAGE NUMBER? WELL, YOU CAN FIND IT ON PDF 1350, UH, PAGE 69, PDF, PAGE 69 BY 2026,
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REVISED TDM POLICY FOR EMPLOYERS A THAT REQUIRES EMPLOYERS TO SUBMIT AN ADMISSION REDUCTION PLAN TO THE CITY TO MEET THE CITY'S GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTION TARGET.I WOULD ALMOST SIMPLIFY TO SAY REVISED TDM POLICY AS APPROPRIATE, UM, TO THIS, TO MEET THE CITY'S GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTION TARGET.
I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW IF IT'S DIRECTLY AN EMISSION REDUCTION PLAN.
TDM CAN MEAN A LOT OF THINGS AS IS LAID OUT IN TDM TWO WHERE WE TALK ABOUT MEETING WITH STAKEHOLDERS AND INVESTIGATING ALL THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
SO I WAS GONNA SEE IF WE COULD JUST SHORTEN THAT TO SAY, REVISED TDM POLICY TO MEET THE CITY'S GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTION TARGET, GIVE MORE FLEXIBILITY.
BUT I'D SEE WITH OTHER COMMISSIONERS IF THAT HAS ANY INTEREST.
RIGHT NOW IT'S SAYING THAT WE WILL INSTRUCT THEM TO SUBMIT AN EMISSION REDUCTION PLAN, BUT THERE'S KIND OF A MENU OF OPTIONS WE COULD HAVE.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBLE.
WELL, AND I THINK WE ALREADY HAD SOME CONFIRMATION FROM STAFF THAT THEY'RE NOT TRYING TO MAKE A, A DUDE BROUGHT UP, YOU KNOW, A, A, A LABORIOUS, UH, SITUATION FOR SMALL BUSINESSES.
UM, SO I THINK WE'VE AVOIDED THAT.
UM, BUT I'M NOT SURE I'M CLEAR ON WHAT ELSE YOU'RE ASKING FOR IN THIS SECTION.
WELL, SO THEM SAYING IT DOESN'T PUT ANYTHING IN WRITING, MY POINT IS WE CAN SAY BY 2026 REVISED TDM POLICY TO MEET THE CITY'S GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTION TARGET, INSTEAD OF BEING SO PRESCRIPTIVE AS TO SAY, REQUIRES SOME EMPLOYERS TO SUBMIT AN EMISSION REDUCTION PLAN.
THERE IS AN ELEMENT THERE OF LET'S NOT MAKE IT TOO ONEROUS.
I THINK THAT'S REALLY EXPLAINED IN TDM TWO ALREADY.
SO I JUST THOUGHT WE COULD SHORTEN THIS UP, NOT MAKE IT SO PRESCRIPTIVE, BUT TO PUT THAT TO, TO COMMISSION FOR A STRAW POLL A DISCUSSION.
I THINK JUST FOR THE DISCUSSION SAKE, UM, THIS WAS PUT IN HERE FOR A REASON, SO I DON'T WANNA TAKE IT OUT, UM, SO THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY HAVE SOME ACTION ITEMS. OTHER THOUGHTS, OR SHOULD WE JUST DO A QUICK STRAW POLL ON WHETHER TO ADJUST TDM TWO AS COMMISSIONER KUSON HAS SUGGESTED? OKAY.
HANDS UP TO MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT.
ANYTHING ELSE? YEP, I'VE GOT ONE.
YOU MIGHT HAVE SEEN THIS ONE COMING.
UM, YEAH, THE, THE LANGUAGE THAT THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION SUGGESTED THAT IS FOR REGARDING OFFSETS RECOMMENDS DEVELOPING A POLICY AGAINST THE MISUSE OF OFFSETS.
UM, I WOULD SUGGEST A TWO-PRONGED APPROACH IN THE ALTERNATIVE, UM, PRONG ONE IS REMOVING THE WORD OFFSETS FROM OSM ONE.
I DON'T OKAY, SO I'M GOOD WITH THAT.
PART OF THEIR RECOMMENDATION, UM, THEIR NEXT PRONG WAS THIS RECOMMENDATION TO DEVELOP POLICY AGAINST THE MISUSE OF OFFSETS.
AND THAT IMPLIES THAT THERE IS A PROPER USE OF OFFSETS WITHIN THE BLUEPRINT.
UM, AND WHEN, UM, SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE, OUR MOTION RECOMMENDS THE CITY COUNCIL THAT THE DEVELOP LANGUAGE THAT PROHIBITS A SOURCE FROM USING OFFSETS IN LIEU OF DIRECT EMISSIONS REDUCTIONS FROM THAT SOURCE AS SUBJECT.
I'M, I'M GETTING KIND OF WRAPPED AROUND MY OWN WORDS HERE.
LET ME, LEMME TRY TO REPHRASE THIS ONE.
10, 15 AT NIGHT, UM, DEVELOP LANGUAGE THAT PROHIBITS A SOURCE FROM USING OFFSETS IN LIEU OF DIRECT EMISSIONS REDUCTIONS, UM, FROM THAT SOURCE AS REQUIRED BY THE ACTIONS IN THE BLUEPRINT.
SO IT'S MUCH MORE OF A FLAT PROHIBITION AGAINST OFFSETS IN LIEU OF DIRECT EMISSIONS REDUCTIONS.
IN THE INTEREST OF DISCUSSING THE SUGGESTION
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BEING DESCRIPTIVE HERE IN THIS BODY AT 10 15 AT NIGHTUM, SO I'LL JUST THROW THAT OUT THERE AS A REASON.
I THINK THAT THE APPROACH THAT THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION TOOK TO STRIKE OFFSET FROM THAT ONE THAT WE HAD ISSUE WITH, AND THEN ADD THE NOTION OF A POLICY THAT IS PROTECTING AGAINST THE MISUSE OF OFFSETS, UM, I THOUGHT WAS A SOUND APPROACH.
HEATHER, DID YOU GET THE WORDING ON WHAT THEY WANTED? MM-HMM.
UM, SO THEY STRUCK OFFSETS FROM OSM ONE.
I THINK WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT ON THAT.
UH, THE OTHER ONE FROM THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION WAS THEY TO ADD AND THEY SAID INTO THE MONITORING STRATEGY OR ANOTHER LOCATION, BUT TO SAY, DEVELOP A POLICY THAT PREVENTS THE USE OF OFFSETS BY THE CITY IN MEETING ITS CARBON.
THEY WERE VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT WHO, CAN YOU READ THAT AGAIN, HEATHER? THAT WAS, WAS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I HEARD RIGHT AT THE END, BUT I'M, I MIGHT BE GOOD WITH THAT LANGUAGE.
UM, SO THAT, SO IT WAS ADDING IT TO THE MONITORING STRATEGY, ALTHOUGH THEN THEY SAID, OR ANOTHER LOCATION THEY WEREN'T, OR, OR, OR MORE APPROPRIATE LOCATION, THE MONITORING YEAH.
TO SAY DEVELOP POLICY THAT PREVENTS THE USE OF OFFSETS BY THE CITY IN MEETING ITS CARBON NEUTRALITY.
I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY TO MEET ITS CARBON NEUTRALITY GOAL, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE, BUT I, I LIKE THAT.
I WOULD, I WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE MORE SPECIFIC IF IT SAID BY THE CITY AND SOURCES IN THE CITY, BECAUSE THE, THE, THE CITY IS, HAS GOT ITS OWN OBLIGATIONS WITHIN THE BLUEPRINT, AND THEN THERE ARE SOURCES IN THE CITY THAT ARE SUBJECT TO ACTIONS.
SO, SO I, I WILL MODIFY WHAT, WHAT I'M SUGGESTING TO IN, TO ADD, JUST FOLLOWING THE WORD CITY AND SOURCES IN THE CITY.
COULD YOU READ THAT ONE MORE TIME? BLUEPRINT? SORRY.
OTHER SOURCES IN THE CITY, UH, SO, UH, DEVELOP POLICY THAT PREVENTS THE USE OF OFFSETS BY THE CITY AND SOURCES IN THE CITY IN MEETING CARBON NEUTRALITY GOAL OF CARBON NEUTRALITY, CARBON NEUTRALITY GOALS.
WOULD A POLICY AS DESCRIBED IN THE FIRST PART OF THAT SENTENCE ONCE DEVELOPED, TOUCH ON A ADDITIONAL CHARACTERS, OTHER, OTHER SOURCES IN THE CITY? WELL, I, I, I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, USUALLY OUR POLICIES ARE AROUND CITY ACTIONS, WHAT OUR ACTIONS ARE GOING TO BE.
UM, BRENT, DO YOU HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF, OF THE TYPE OF EXTRA CITY
THAT, UM, LIKE A DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL AND IF THEY, IF YOU HAD A GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTION TARGET, THEY HAD TO MEET, THEY WEREN'T GONNA MEET IT.
OH, YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD POINT FOR A DEV.
LIKE IF A, IF WE HAVE A GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS TARGET DEVELOPMENT CAME IN, THEY WEREN'T GONNA MEET IT, THAT WE WOULDN'T ACCEPT OFFSETS TO GET THEM TO, TO, TO, TO MEET THAT GOAL.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER WAY THAT COULD BE USED.
THAT, THAT WORDING, THAT ADDITIONAL WORDING COULD THEN HELP WITH SITUATIONS LIKE THAT.
YOU'RE ONLY BASICALLY ADDING THREE WORDS, I'M SORRY.
YEAH, BECAUSE THE CITY IS DOING THINGS TO REDUCE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS, THE CITY HAS CONTROL OF, THEN THERE ARE PRIVATE PARTIES THAT ARE SUBJECT TO MM-HMM.
SO THAT'S WHAT MY FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO THEIR THING SAYS IS IT SPECIFIES THAT PRIVATE PARTIES ARE ALSO NOT ALLOWED TO USE OFFSETS.
HOW, I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE HOW WOULD YOU ENFORCE THAT? BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER ENTITIES REGULATING EMISSIONS PERHAPS FOR DIFFERENT STATIONARY SOURCES, FOR EXAMPLE, WITHIN THE CITY.
IF THEY WERE TO BE PART OF A, AN EXISTING OFFSET PROGRAM, WHAT'S THE CITY'S ROLE IN REGULATING THAT? I, I GUESS I'M, I'M THINKING ABOUT IT MAYBE IN A BROAD WAY, BUT MAYBE THINKING MAYBE IT'S MORE
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SPECIFICALLY.I, I'M, I'M THINKING MORE SPECIFICALLY IT'S TO COMPLY WITH THE ACTIONS IN IN THE BLUEPRINT.
SO, SO WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT A SOURCE IN PETALUMA THAT'S GOT IT.
THAT'S SUBJECT TO THE CALIFORNIA CAP AND TRADE PROGRAM.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
SO HEATHER, IF YOU COULD JUST ONE MORE TIME READ IT BACK WITH THOSE THREE ADDITIONAL WORDS AND THEN WE'LL DO A STRAW POLL ON WHETHER WE WANT TO ADOPT YES.
MY COMPUTER IS ABOUT TO RUN OUT OF BATTERY, SO I'M GOING TO LOSE MY FUNCTIONALITY.
DEVELOP POLICY THAT PREVENTS THE USE OF OFFSETS BY THE CITY AND SOURCES IN THE CITY IN MEETING ITS CARBON NEUTRALITY.
DOES THAT SAY WHAT YOU WANTED TO SAY? OKAY.
HANDS UP IF WE WANNA ADOPT THAT.
SO WE'VE GOT ONE ADJUSTMENT FROM WHAT THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION, UH, ADDED TO THEIR MOTION.
ANY OTHER CHANGES, WISHES TO DELETE OR ADD? OKAY.
SEEING NONE, ANDREW, DO YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED FROM US
SO THEN WE CAN VOTE ON THIS RESOLUTION PLEASE.
OR I NEED A MOTION TO VOTE ON THE RESOLUTION.
I'LL MAKE THE MOTION AS AMENDED.
CHAIR MOSES? YES, IT IS APPROVED.
OKAY, WE GOT A LITTLE, LITTLE QUICK MORE BUSINESS HERE,
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GONNA MOVE QUICKLY TO THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES THAT WE MOVED TO THE END BEFORE.UM, BUT I CAN MAKE THIS QUICK.
SO THE, UH, AGENDA ITEM WAS MOVED HERE TO DO APPROVAL OF MINUTES FOR THE MEETING OF SEPTEMBER 24TH, 2024.
AND, UM, I WILL SEEK AMENDMENTS.
I ACTUALLY HAVE AN AMENDMENT, SO I'LL START, UM, FOR SEPTEMBER 24TH, 2024.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THE MINUTES TO NOTE THAT COMMISSIONER FRY HAS INDICATED TO ME THAT SHE HAD ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ON THE DRAFT EEIR, AND SHE HAS PROVIDED THEM IN WRITING TO STAFF FOLLOWING THE HEARING.
SO IF I COULD JUST GET CONFIRMATION FROM STAFF THAT HER WRITTEN COMMENTS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED, HAVE BEEN RECORDED, AND WILL BE RESPONDED TO AS REQUIRED PURSUANT TO SECRET GUIDELINES AND WILL BE INCLUDED WITH THE FINAL EIR.
UM, RELATEDLY, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO AMEND THE MINUTES TO REFLECT THAT THE OPPORTUNITY TO SUBMIT COMMENTS ON THE DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT HAS BEEN EXTENDED TO NOW OCTOBER 21ST.
UM, SO ANY INTERESTED PARTY, BE IT FURTHER COMMENTARY FROM THE COMMISSIONERS OR THE PUBLIC CAN BE SUBMITTED THROUGH THE 21ST TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THE FINAL, UH, CORRECT.
THOSE WERE MY OFFICIAL AMENDMENTS AND I'LL HAVE A LITTLE MORE TO SAY AFTER WE VOTE, BUT ANY OTHER AMENDMENTS TO THE 24TH? JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU RECEIVED MINE AS WELL, ANDREA WRITTEN COMMENTS? UH, YES, WE DID.
UM, AND WITH THAT WE CAN SAY THAT THOSE MINUTES ARE APPROVED, RIGHT? 'CAUSE WE'VE STOPPED VOTING.
SO THOSE MINUTES ARE APPROVED AND I WILL JUST ADD THAT I DO APOLOGIZE TO COMMISSIONER FRY, UM, FOR CURTAILING HER OPPORTUNITY TO ASK HER ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT.
UM, AND AGAIN, ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO CONTINUE SUBMITTING THROUGH THE 21ST.
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THINK WE CAN MOVE TO STAFF COMMENT IF YOU HAVE ANY PLANNING MANAGER, ANDREW TRIPLE.UM, IT, IT FEELS LIKE IT'S BEEN A VERY LONG COUPLE OF MONTHS, RIGHT? UH, SO I THINK IT'LL, IT WILL BE A BIT OF RELIEF TO, FOR YOU TO, UH, LET YOU KNOW THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY ITEMS FOR THE OCTOBER 22ND, UM, PUBLIC, UH, REGULARLY SCHEDULED PUBLIC MEETINGS.
SO, UH, URIEL WILL BE SENDING THAT CANCELLATION NOTICE, UM, UH, AS OF OCTOBER 15TH.
HE WILL BE, UH, CHECKING QUORUM FOR, UH, FUTURE MEETINGS IN NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER, THOUGH.
UM, OTHERWISE, I, I WAS SORT OF THINKING
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THROUGH THE VARIETY OF THINGS GOING ON.I THINK THAT CERTAINLY TOP OF MIND IS, UM, FOR PLANNING STAFF IN ADDITION TO THE COUNTER SERVICES THAT WE TYPICALLY ARE ALWAYS PROVIDING IS, UM, WORKING FORWARD WITH THE GENERAL PLAN LAND USE FRAMEWORK, SUPPORTING THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE TEAM.
WE'VE GOT TWO FINAL EIRS MOVING FORWARD.
AND SO, UH, WE'RE ALWAYS SUPPORTING, PLAYING OUR ROLE, WORKING WITH, UM, THE EIR CONSULTANTS AS WELL AS, UH, PRINCIPAL PLANNER OLIVIA IRVIN, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE FULLY SUPPORTED THERE.
UM, AND THEN LOOKING FORWARD TO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A VARIETY OF, OF HOUSING, UH, LEGISLATION THAT'S BEEN ADOPTED AND WE'RE SORT OF TRYING TO ABSORB THAT INTO OUR WORKFLOW, PRIORITIZE, UH, LEGISLATION THAT NEEDS TO BE CODIFIED, UM, WITHIN OUR ORDINANCE, UH, VERSUS LEGISLATION THAT WE CAN SIMPLY RESPOND TO.
UM, BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE PERHAPS MAY NOT BE ANY LOCAL DISCRETION.
SO I THINK WHAT WE'LL DO IS AS WE GET, UH, A MORE FIRM GRASP ON, UM, ESPECIALLY THE RECENTLY ADOPTED LEGISLATION, WE'LL BRING THAT FORWARD TO YOU.
SO TO KEEP YOU AWARE OF THE, UH, HOUSING ENVIRONMENT IN PARTICULAR, UH, WHICH CONTINUES TO CHANGE.
UM, IT SEEMS LIKE MONTHLY ALMOST.
SO, UH, WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES, UM, THE, UH, DIVISION'S COMMENTS.
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REALIZED I WAS RUSHING AND SKIPPED OVER.SO WE'LL HAVE TO BACK UP A STEP.
UM, DO WE WANNA START FROM THIS END? UH, COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMISSIONER COMMENT? NO.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOMEBODY BESIDES OUR SEVEN PEOPLE.
UM, OCTOBER 23RD IS THE GRAND CELEBRATION OF THE GAZEBO BEHIND THE SENIOR CENTER, BUT WE ARE ALSO DEDICATING A PIECE OF ARTWORK THAT IS GOING TO BE PLACED THERE ALSO.
SO FREE FOOD ALWAYS GETS A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE.
UH, THE 23RD AT BETWEEN FOUR AND SIX, UM, AND OCTOBER 19TH, THERE IS A REBUILDING TOGETHER, PETALUMA WORKDAY.
WE HAVE A FULL SCHEDULE OF THINGS THAT ARE GONNA HAPPEN THAT DAY AND WE LOVE VOLUNTEERS.
UM, SO IF YOU FEEL LIKE HELPING YOUR COMMUNITY, THAT IS THE DAY TO DO IT.
COMMISSIONER ZEN? ANY? NONE? OKAY.
I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY, SO LAST CALL FOR QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
WE'RE GONNA ADJOURN HERE, UH, AT 10 29.