* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] RECORDING IN PROGRESS, . OH, I JUST NEED TO WAIT FOR THAT MESSAGE. UM, GOOD EVENING [CALL TO ORDER] AND WELCOME TO THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE PETALUMA CITY COUNCIL AND THE PETALUMA COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SUCCESSOR AGENCY FOR MONDAY, OCTOBER 21ST, 2024. IF YOU WISH TO PROVIDE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD, THEY'RE IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM, AND BRING IT TO OUR CITY CLERK WHO'S IN THE FRONT OF THE ROOM. AND NOW I'LL INVITE MONICA RICIO, MARIA GALVEZ, TO PROVIDE INFORMATION TO THOSE WHO WISH TO PARTICIPATE IN SPANISH TONIGHT. THANK YOU. UH, GOOD EVENING. UM, INTERPRET. WE ARE READY. THANK YOU. AND MAY WE HAVE A ROLL CALL FOR THE EVENING, PLEASE? BARNACLE PRESENT. CATER THOMPSON. HERE. HEALY HERE. NOW. HERE. . HERE. TRIS HERE. MCDONALD'S HERE. YOU'RE NOT YOUR THIRD. WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NOW I'D LIKE TO INVITE OUR FRIENDS OF THE GIRL SCOUT TROOP, 1000 OR 1 0 5 6 2 TO COME FORWARD ONTO THE, UH, DAIS HERE TO LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TONIGHT NIGHT TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC ONE NATION. LIBERTY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND NOW A MOMENT OF SILENCE. [AGENDA CHANGES AND DELETIONS (TO CURRENT AGENDA ONLY)] LOOKING UP AND DOWN THE AGENDA OF THE, TO SEE IF WE HAVE ANY CHANGES REQUESTED IN THE AGENDA THIS EVENING. SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE RIGHT INTO IT. UH, [PROCLAMATIONS] WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION, A COUPLE PROCLAMATIONS TONIGHT, AND THE FIRST ONE IS FOR DIA DE LOS MUTOS. I'D LIKE TO INVITE, UH, A ABRAHAM SOAR, MARGO GALLAGHER AND GLORIA MCALLISTER OF THE ORGANIZATION FOR DIA DE LOS MUTOS TO THE PODIUM. UH, AND THEN PROVIDE COMMENTS. WHEREAS EL DE LOS MUTOS PETALUMA IS A MEMORIAL CELEBRATION FROM LATIN AND SOUTH AMERICA, WHEN LOVED ONES WHO HAVE DIED ARE WELCOMED BACK AS HONORED GUESTS BETWEEN OCTOBER 31ST AND NOVEMBER 2ND. WHEREAS LD DETO PETALUMA IS A NONPROFIT CROSS-CULTURAL ORGANIZATION THAT HAS PLANNED CITYWIDE CELEBRATIONS OF LD DE LOS MARTOS IN PETALUMA SINCE 2000. AND, UH, WHEREAS THE CELEBRATION OF LDA DE LOS MUTOS BUILDS BRIDGES BETWEEN COMMUNITIES IN PETALUMA AND PROVIDES OPPORTUNITIES TO REMEMBER IN COMMUNITY LOVED ONES WHO HAVE DIED. AND WHEREAS BY HONORING THOSE WHO HAVE GONE BEFORE US AND THE ARTS AND CULTURES OF LATIN AND SOUTH AMERICA, WE HONOR OUR SHARED HUMANITY. AND WHEREAS RESIDENTS OF ALL AGES IN ALL CULTURES AND ETHNIC GROUPS ARE FINDING PETALUMA CELEBRATION OF ELD DE LOS MARTOS TO BE COMFORTING AND ENGAGING. AND WHEREAS THROUGH [00:05:01] THE CELEBRATION OF ELD DE LOS MARTOS PETALUMA, THE COMMUNITY IS UNITED IN PROVIDING CULTURAL OFFERINGS CITYWIDE. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT I, KEVIN MCDONALD, MAYOR OF PETALUMA, ALONG WITH THE MEMBERS OF THE PETALUMA CITY COUNCIL DUE HEREBY PROCLAIM OCTOBER 1ST TO NOVEMBER 2ND IN 2024 AS ALD DE LOS MUTOS PETALUMA 24, IN RECOGNITION OF THE CULTURAL CONTRIBUTIONS OF LATIN SOUTH SOUTH AMERICA AND THE HUMAN NEED TO BE, TO HONOR LOVED ONES WHO HAVE DIED, AND THE IMPORTANCE OF BUILDING COMMUNITY TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR ALL RESIDENTS IN PETALUMA. THANK YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU. WELL, GRACIAS, GRACIAS TO ALL OF YOU FOR THIS MOST WONDERFUL GIFT. WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THE, UH, YOU ARE TELLING US THAT THIS IS AN EVENT, THAT IT IS WELCOME AND BENEFICIAL FOR COMMUNITY AND, UH, WE ALL NEED IT. THIS IS A, LIKE IT SAYS RIGHT HERE, IT IS A BRIDGE AND WE ALL CAN CELEBRATE OUR COMMONALITY OF GRIEF AND THE LOSS THAT WE ALL UNFORTUNATELY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS SATURDAY. WE'RE HAVING OUR GRAND FINALE OF, UH, CELEBRATION IN FRONT OF THE MUSEUM ON KENTUCKY, AND WE'RE CLOSING ALL THE STREET. UH, WE HOPE TO SEE AS MANY OF YOU AS POSSIBLE AND, YOU KNOW, HELP US AND WE HELP YOU CELEBRATE THOSE THAT YOU'VE LOST AND HONOR THEM AND CONTINUE REMEMBERING THEM. 'CAUSE THEY ARE STILL WITH US AND WE MISS THEM. THANK YOU SO MUCH ON BEHALF OF EL D LOS MUTOS, PETALUMA, UM, AND WE JUST GOING TO CONTINUE CELEBRATING JUST REAL BRIEFLY, AND JUST THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU FOR THE SUPPORT THAT THE CITY GIVES TO US. IT'S VERY MEANINGFUL AND WE, WE FEEL IT AND WE APPRECIATE IT. AND IN PARTICULAR, UM, THANK YOU TO MAYOR MCDONALD FOR SHOWING UP AT OUR EVENTS AND REALLY, UM, JUST SHOWING THAT YOU CARE. AND THAT'S, IT'S BEEN WONDERFUL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. AND PLEASE GO THROUGH DOWNTOWN. WE HAVE ALTARS IN THE DOWNTOWN WINDOWS. WE'VE GOT TWO COMMUNITY ALTARS AND A REALLY BIG FUN EVENT ON THE 26TH AT A PROCESSION AS WELL. SO WE WELCOME ALL OF YOU. PLEASE COME. YEAH, THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, ALSO TONIGHT, UM, WE HAVE ANOTHER PROCLAMATION. IT IS FOR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH, AND I INVITE ALLISON ABBOTT OF THE YWCA SON COUNTY, UH, BOARD MEMBER TO THE PODIUM. WHEREAS THE CITY OF PETALUMA RECOGNIZES THAT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AFFECTS ONE IN FOUR FAMILIES IN OUR LOCAL COMMUNITY, AND THAT NEARLY ALL OF US KNOWS SOMEONE WHO'S BEEN ABUSED. THE CRIME OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE VIOLATES AN INDIVIDUAL'S PRIVACY, DIGNITY, AND SECURITY BASED ON THE SYSTEMIC USE OF EMOTIONAL, PHYSICAL, SEXUAL, PSYCHOLOGICAL, AND ECONOMIC CONTROL OR ABUSE. AND WHEREAS ESTABLISHED IN 1976, THE YWCA SONOMA COUNTY IS OUR COMMUNITY'S SINGULAR AND VITAL RESOURCE FOR LOCAL RESIDENTS EXPERIENCING VIOLENCE IN THE PLACE IN WE SHOULD ALL FEEL THE MOST SAFE INSIDE OUR OWN HOMES. YWCA OPERATES SONOMA COUNTY'S ONLY CONFIDENTIAL SAFE HOUSE SHELTER. AND SONOMA COUNTY'S ONLY 24 7 DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CRISIS HOTLINE. THE YWCA COUNSELING SUPPORT SERVICES OFFER TRAUMA, TRAUMA INFORMED INDIVIDUAL AND SUPPORT GROUP THERAPY FOR VICTIMS OF TRAUMA AND DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, INCLUDING THE STUDENTS AT YWCA'S THERAPEUTIC PRESCHOOL, SERVING ONE OF THE MOST VULNERABLE POPULATIONS, CHILDREN AGES THREE TO FIVE, AND WHEREAS ONLY AN INFORMED COMMUNITY EFFORT WILL END THE CYCLE OF VIOLENCE FOR LOCAL FAMILIES. MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY ARE ENCOURAGED TO PARTICIPATE IN WIDE WC A'S SCHEDULED EVENTS AND PROGRAMS TO RAISE MUCH NEEDED FUNDING TO SUPPORT THEIR VISION FOR EVERY FAMILY IN SONOMA COUNTY TO LIVE HEALTHY, PRODUCTIVE LIVES AND, AND BE SAFE IN THEIR OWN HOMES. NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT I, KEVIN MCDONALD, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF PETALUMA, ON BEHALF OF THE ENTIRE CITY COUNCIL, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM OCTOBER, 2024 IN PETALUMA AS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTHS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE THIS EVENING. UM, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IS NOT IN A BUBBLE. IT AFFECTS US [00:10:01] ALL AND PEOPLE THAT WE KNOW. AND SOMETIMES IT IS IN A BUBBLE BECAUSE SOMETIMES PEOPLE DON'T COME FORWARD AND TALK ABOUT IT. AND IT'S, UH, IT'S A VERY SERIOUS ISSUE THAT WE'RE HOPING TO ERADICATE TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY OR AT LEAST SUPPORT FAMILIES, CHILDREN, AND THOSE WHO ARE IN NEED. UM, MY NAME IS ALISON ABBOTT AND I AM THE BOARD CHAIR FOR THE YWCA. I HAVE THE DISTINCT HONOR OF SERVING GOING ON FOUR YEARS NOW. UM, SO I AM LOOKING FOR A REPLACEMENT IN TWO YEARS. IF ANYBODY'S INTERESTED. IT'S LEFTOVERS, . UM, BUT ON BEHALF OF, UH, ALL OF THE BOARD DIRECTORS, DIRECTORS, THE STAFF, THE VOLUNTEERS, AND ESPECIALLY ESPECIALLY THE LOCAL FAMILIES WHO WE DO SERVE, UM, WE, THE YWCA WANTS TO SINCERELY THANK YOU, UM, FOR MAKING OCTOBER DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH. THIS IS MY SECOND YEAR, UM, GETTING THE PROCLAMATION, AND I AM JUST SO HONORED TO BE HERE AGAIN. AND I'M HOPING YOU'LL INDULGE ME WITH A PICTURE, . YEAH, CERTAINLY. THANK YOU. WE CAN DO A SELFIE IF THAT WORKS. YEAH. YES, PLEASE. OH, GREAT. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE. AND [GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT] NOW FOR A GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. AND LET ME NOTE THAT, UH, DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON ITEMS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THAT ARE WITHIN THE CITY COUNCIL'S SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION, AND THAT ARE NOT LISTED ON THE CURRENT AGENDA. PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED UP TO THREE MINUTES IN PERSON PER PERSON. AND DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF PERSONS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL TIME MAY BE ALLOCATED IN EQUAL SHARES, TOTALING NO MORE THAN 20 MINUTES. AND HAVE WE HAD GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, UH, EMAILS AND ET CETERA. WE HAVE RECEIVED 10 GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS, AND THOSE ARE POSTED ON THE WEBSITE. AND AT THIS TIME, I WILL START A 32ND CLOCK FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. UH, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ATTENDING IN PERSON SHOULD BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE SO. SPEAKERS ARE REMINDED TO BE RESPECTFUL IN THEIR COMMENTS AND THAT THIS MEETING IS BEING TRANSLATED. PLEASE PAUSE BETWEEN SENTENCES FOR TRANSLATION TONIGHT. WE HAVE FOUR CARDS SUBMITTED. UH, THE FIRST IS FROM SANDRA CHAND, AND THE SECOND IS FROM MEDINA. FLORES. PLEASE FEEL FREE TO COME TO THE PODIUM. THANK YOU. UM, IT'S HARD TO KNOW WHERE TO START. THE FOLKS IN PETALUMA WHO ARE OF JEWISH HERITAGE AND PALESTINIAN HERITAGE CONTINUE TO BE TROUBLED, CONTINUE TO LOSE LOVED ONES. I HOPE THAT YOU COULD SEE AFTER TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION THAT HUMAN RIGHTS SHOULD APPLY TO EVERYONE, INCLUDING PALESTINIAN FAMILIES, WHO SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO FEEL SAFE IN THEIR OWN HOMES. I SIMPLY CANNOT, IN MY SOUL, ACCEPT THAT KILLING CHILDREN IS SELF-DEFENSE. IT JUST DOES NOT SIT WITH ME. AND I THINK THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY THINK THIS STARTED IN OCTOBER. IT DID NOT. THERE IS A WELL-DOCUMENTED HISTORY, EXTENSIVE RESEARCH BY THE NEW YORK TIMES MAGAZINE, DOCUMENTING MANY CASES OF MISDEEDS AGAINST PALESTINIANS BY THE ZIONIST SETTLERS, THINGS FROM STEALING LIVESTOCK, ASSAULT, AND ARSON, WHERE NOT A SINGLE SUSPECT WAS CHARGED WITH A CRIME. [00:15:01] IN ONE CASE, A SETTLER SHOT A PALESTINIAN IN THE STOMACH WHILE THE ISRAELI DEFENSE FORCES SOLDIER LOOKED ON. THEY QUESTIONED THE SHOOTER FOR 20 MINUTES AND NEVER CONSIDERED HIM A CRIMINAL SUSPECT. DURING OUR REVIEW OF THE CASES, THESE RESEARCHERS SAID, WE LISTENED TO ISRAELI HUMAN RIGHTS ACTIVISTS. THEY INTERVIEWED FORMER MILITARY LEADERS. THIS IS NOT ANTISEMITISM. THESE REPORTS THE VIOLENCE OVER DECADES AGAINST PALESTINIANS, WHICH IS NEVER BROUGHT TO THE JUSTICE SYSTEM BECAUSE IT ISN'T APARTHEID STATE. THERE IS NOT ONE KIND OF JUSTICE, SILENCE, AVOIDANCE AND ABATEMENT BY ISRAELI OFFICIALS. IF YOU BRUTALIZE A PEOPLE STEAL THEIR LAND, KILL THEM, HURT THEIR CHILDREN FOR 50 YEARS, THERE WILL BE SOME BLOWBACK. I DON'T APPROVE OF WHAT HAPPENED. I WISH EVERYBODY WOULD USE DIPLOMACY INSTEAD. BUT WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT PEACE MAKES PEACE, VIOLENCE, MAKE VIOLENCE, AND IT'S OUR BOMBS AND OUR TAX DOLLARS THAT ARE KILLING THOSE CHILDREN. AND I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU CALL IT, IT'S WRONG. THANK YOU. ADINA FLORES TO BE FOLLOWED BY PATRICIA TUTTLE BROWN. GOOD EVENING, COUNSEL. I AM HERE THIS EVENING BECAUSE I WOULD APPRECIATE A VERY PUBLIC APOLOGY FROM CITY ATTORNEY DANLEY WHO LIED ON RECORD AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING. UH, HE WENT ON TO SAY THAT ALL FAIR POLITICAL PRACTICES COMPLAINTS AGAINST COUNCILMAN BARNACLE HAVE BEEN DISMISSED. AND THAT IS A BLATANT LIE, WHICH APPEARS TO BE ELECTION INTERFERENCE AT THIS POINT. I THEN HAD PEOPLE BERATING ME PUBLICLY ON NEXT DOOR BECAUSE OF THE COMMENTS THAT YOUR CITY ATTORNEY MADE. SO FOR THE RECORD, THERE IS STILL A COMPLAINT OPEN. THERE'S TWO COMPLAINTS OPEN THAT MR. MARLE IS VERY AWARE OF. UH, ONE, BECAUSE HE DID NOT REPORT INCOME FROM ENERGY SOLUTIONS, HE ALSO DID NOT REPORT INCOME FROM OUTTHINK LLC. AND THAT INCOME WAS NOTATED ON THE FORM NINE 90 FOR THE BUILDING DECARBONIZATION COALITION. AND SO I DID NOTICE PER THE RESPONSE I RECEIVED FROM THE FPPC, THAT, UH, MR. GARY WINNICK IS SPEAKING ON HIS BEHALF. MR. WINICK IS THE FORMER CHIEF OF ENFORCEMENT FOR THE FAIR POLITICAL PRACTICES COMMISSION. HE WAS ALSO HIRED BY, UH, SUPERVISOR JAMES GORE, OUR COUNTY SUPERVISOR, WHO'S BEEN UNDER INVESTIGATION SINCE 2022 DUE TO THE SWORN COMPLAINT THAT I SUBMITTED. AND SO I WOULD APPRECIATE A VERY PUBLIC APOLOGY THAT IS NECESSARY AT THIS POINT IN TIME. I'M NOT HERE, UH, TO JUST BASH THE COUNCIL. THAT IS NOT MY INTENT. I AM HERE FOR TRANSPARENCY. I DID SEE THAT REGARDING THE MOST RECENT MEETING WITH THE OVERLAY DECISION. I BELIEVE IT WAS COUNCILWOMAN, UH, NOW, MR. HEALY AND MR. SHRI THAT VOTED AGAINST THE OVERLAY, UH, AT LEAST THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT. SO I DO APPRECIATE THAT GREATLY. YOUR COMMUNITY HAS EXPRESSED THAT THEY'RE VERY CONCERNED BY THE DECISIONS BEING MADE ON THEIR BEHALF. AND TO REFER BACK TO MR. DANLEY, I'M NOT SURE WHY COMMENTERS WERE TOLD THAT THERE WAS NO APPLAUSE ALLOWED. FOLLOWING COMMENTS, UH, THERE WAS A WHITE MAN WHO, UH, CLAPPED VERY LOUDLY TO BERATE ME AFTER YOUR COMMENTS AND, AND THAT WAS ALLOWED. SO WHY IS IT ALLOWED TO BERATE WOMEN OF COLOR? I WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW, THIS IS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH. I AM A SURVI, A SURVIVOR OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. UH, MR. BARNACLE, I DON'T APPRECIATE YOUR SENTIMENTS DURING DEBATES IN WHICH YOU CLAIM WOMEN HAVE BEEN BEAT UP. THAT IS SO INSENSITIVE. I'VE BEEN STRANGLED, I'VE BEEN KICKED, I'VE BEEN HELD UPSIDE DOWN AND THREATENED, UH, FOR PEOPLE TO DROP ME, UM, FROM SECOND STORIES. SO YOUR CONTEMP, YOUR, YOUR COMMENTS ARE COMPLETELY INSENSITIVE. LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE THINKING. YOU SHOULD NOT BE SITTING AT THE DAIS. I WAS GOING TO PROTEST AGAINST MR. BARNACLE ON SUNDAY BECAUSE HE WAS HAVING AN EVENT TO SPEAK TO STAKEHOLDER INQUIRIES AS ONE OF THE MOST EDUCATED INDIVIDUALS ON LOCAL ISSUES. UH, HE DECIDED TO CANCEL THAT EVENT BECAUSE I EMAILED PETALUMA POLICE TO LET THEM KNOW I'D BE EXERCISING MY FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS. I DO. SO EVERY SINGLE TIME I SHOW UP BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATS BEING THE RACIST INDIVIDUALS THAT THEY ARE CALLED THE POLICE, AND THEN TRY TO PAINT A PICTURE THAT ISN'T VALID EVERY TIME I SHOW UP. SO, UH, PLEASE DO THE RIGHT THING. AND MR. DANLEY, YOU OWE ME A PUBLIC APOLOGY. THANK YOU. AND GOD BLESS. THANK YOU. UM, OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS PATRICIA TUTTLE BROWN TO [00:20:01] BE FOLLOWED BY CATHERINE REINHARDT. OKAY. DON'T START THE TALK CLOCK YET. OKAY. I, I WAS HOPING I COULD GIVE MY HUSBAND'S THREE MINUTES, BUT APPARENTLY I CAN'T, WHICH MEANS I HAVE TO TALK REALLY FAST. SO HERE I GO. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY I'M SPEAKING ABOUT THE HOTEL, BUT THERE ARE ALSO FOUR OTHER ISSUES THAT I THINK ARE COMPLETELY INTERTWINED. AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REALIZE THAT THEY'RE ALL REALLY ONE THING AND THEY RELATE TO THE IDENTITY THAT WE FEEL ABOUT PETALUMA, NOT JUST PEOPLE LIKE ME THAT GO BACK A LONG TIME AND DON'T REALLY FEEL VERY SNOOTY ABOUT IT. 'CAUSE WHO CARES WHERE YOU WERE BORN, REALLY . BUT, UM, THE HOTEL IS BRINGING UP A LOT OF FEELING BECAUSE IT RELATES TO TARNISHING WHAT WE HOPE IS A BEAUTIFUL HISTORIC DOWNTOWN. AND, UM, SO IT'S CONNECTED. THE GPAC COMMITTEE ALREADY HAS THE OVERLAY. WHEN I WENT TO THE MEETING, I SAID, IS THAT THE OVERLAY? THE LAST, THE FIRST OF TWO LAND, UM, LAND USE MEETINGS. THE OVERLAY WAS ALREADY THERE. AND I SAID, SHOULD THAT REALLY BE THERE? AND THEY SAID, WELL, THE, THE VERY NICE CONSULTANT I WAS SITTING NEXT TO SAID, WELL, THE COUNCIL VOTED. SO I THOUGHT, WELL, GEE, I MEAN, IT ISN'T REALLY TOTALLY ACCEPTED YET, IS IT? BUT THERE ARE THREE OTHER THINGS ABOUT BEING A PETALUMA, WHETHER YOU JUST MOVED HERE BECAUSE IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PLACE, AND WE STILL HANG ONTO OUR HISTORY, OUR GREEN HILLS, OUR RANCHERS, THE PEOPLE THAT WHEN MY DAUGHTER WAS, UH, IN HIGH SCHOOL WOULD BE CALLED HICKS BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF RESPECT. UM, THE FAIRGROUNDS IS AN ISSUE THAT I WROTE A A THREE PAGE ESSAY ABOUT SAYING WE REALLY NEED TO RESPECT WHAT THE LOTTERY COMMITTEE DID BEFORE IT WAS MORPHED, AFTER IT HAD ITS RECOMMENDATIONS. THE RECOMMENDATION WAS NUMBER ONE, AGRICULTURE, NUMBER TWO, EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS. EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS DID NOT MEAN AT ANY, IN ANY WAY A FIRE STATION OR POLICE STATION. THE COMMITTEE SAID, UM, THAT IT WAS GOING ON. WHAT THE GUY WHO WAS THE EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS GUY WHO WAS FOR THE COUNTY THAT WAS JUST RETIRING, HE SAID THE REASON THE VA FAIRGROUNDS WAS VALUABLE WAS BECAUSE IT WAS EMPTY. NOT BECAUSE IT HAD BUILDINGS THAT THEY WERE UTILIZING, ALTHOUGH IT, IT COULD USE BATH MORE BATHROOMS AND STUFF. SO IT'S BEEN MORPHED INTO A POLICE AND FIRE STATION THAT IS WRONG. MY VIEW IS, IT STARTED OUT A PARK, BUT ALSO MARIN SONOMA FAIRGROUNDS. WE NEED TO SUPPORT OUR FARMERS. AND THAT MOVES TO THE NEXT ISSUE THAT'S WRAPPED UP IN OUR IDENTITY. AND I DON'T MEAN OUR IDENTITY, THAT SOME OF ASPECTS OF, WHEN I GREW UP, THERE WAS A LOT OF RACISM. THERE WAS ZONING THAT WAS EXCLUSIONARY. I DON'T MEAN THOSE THINGS. I MEAN THE BLUE COLLAR PEOPLE BEING RESPECTED AND THE FARMERS BEING RESPECTED, AND WE ALL EAT. AND I THINK SOMETIMES WE FORGET THAT. UH, SO MEASURE J OF I'M VOTING NO, BUT IT'S NOT THAT I THINK EVERYTHING'S PERFECT ON EVERY RANCH, BUT WHAT I FEEL LIKE IS THAT WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS LOVE EACH OTHER AND THE FARMERS AND THE FAIRGROUNDS COULD BE A VENUE FOR PROMOTING TECHNOLOGY THAT FARMERS NEED IN ORDER TO ALLOW THEMSELVES TO GET RID OF THE WASTE MATERIAL THAT, AND NOT POLLUTE THE CREEKS. THE LAST IS POINT RAISE RANCHES. WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE RANCHES THAT ARE ECOLOGICAL FOR THE SAME REASON. WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THANK VERY MUCH FARMERS NOT POLLUTING THE CREEK. VERY TIME THAT'S EXPIRED. SO THAT'S MY LAST THANK YOU FOR GETTING IT ALL IN UNDER THE THREE MINUTES. GOOD. UM, LET'S SEE. CATHERINE REINHARDT TO BE FOLLOWED BY SHEILA BAKER. NO, THIS PROBABLY DOESN'T LOOK TOO GOOD. . UM, OKAY, I'M READY. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MS. FLYNN FOR THE RECORD, ALTHOUGH I THINK YOU ALL KNOW WHO I AM, UM, I'M CATHERINE REINHARDT, A PETALUMA RESIDENT, LOCAL HISTORIAN, AUTHOR, AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION ADVOCATE. I'M HERE TO SHARE INFORMATION ABOUT A NEW BOOK AND UPCOMING EVENT THAT MAY BE OF INTEREST. WITH YOUR PERMISSION, I'D LIKE TO PROVIDE THE CITY CLERK WITH COMPLIMENTARY COPIES OF THIS BOOK. UM, THIS BOOK IS THE PETALUMA RIVER, A SKETCH JOURNAL AND BRIEF HISTORICAL OVERVIEW TO GIVE EACH OF YOU. IS THAT ACCEPTABLE? AND I DON'T THINK THEY'RE IN ORDER BY COUNCIL MEMBER. THANK YOU. I KNOW THIS SEEMS A LITTLE UNUSUAL, BUT HERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET ALL OF YOU WELL EXCEPT FOR ONE COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, AND THE CITY MANAGER IN ONE PLACE AT ONE TIME. THIS BOOK IS A COMPILATION OF SKETCHES, PHOTOGRAPHS, HISTORIC IMAGES, WATERCOLORS, MAPS, AND RESEARCH THAT DOCUMENT THE PAST, PRESENT AND VISION [00:25:01] FOR THE FUTURE OF THE PETALUMA RIVER AND THE SURROUNDING AREA. I AM PLEASED TO HAVE COLLABORATED ON THIS EXCITING PROJECT WITH ARTISTS AND ARCHITECT ALAN BUTLER. THE BOOK IS AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE AT THE PETALUMA MUSEUM, COPPERFIELDS USHER GALLERY, RILEY STREET, ART SUPPLY AND ONLINE. PROCEEDS FROM THE BOOK SALE WILL BE DONATED TO THE PETALUMA RIVER PARK AND THE FRIENDS OF THE PETALUMA RIVER. OUR FIRST OFFICIAL BOOK LAUNCH WILL OCCUR AT THE PETALUMA MUSEUM ON NOVEMBER 9TH AT 5:00 PM I HOPE TO SEE YOU THERE AND THAT YOU WILL NOT HESITATE TO SHARE THE NEWS WITH, OF THIS PUBLICATION AND THE EVENT WITH YOUR FRIENDS, FAMILY, NEIGHBORS, AND CONSTITUENTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND OUR LAST SPEAKER TONIGHT IS SHEILA BAKER. HELLO EVERYONE AND NO ON JAY. UM, OKAY. I JUST CAME TO SPEAK TONIGHT BECAUSE I LISTENED TO THE IAN, UH, FORUM ON FRIDAY AT HOME, AND I NOTICED A, A REMARK THAT COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE HAD MADE REGARDING THE JANUARY, 2023, UH, MEETING, UH, COUNCIL MEETING ITEM ON THE MID PEN PROJECT AT EAST WASHINGTON STREET. AND COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE THOUGHT IT WAS JUST TERRIBLE THAT COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY VOTED NO ON IT. TURNS OUT THAT NO WAS THE CORRECT VOTE, SORRY TO HAVE TO SAY, BUT THE, UM, APARTMENTS, UM, DID NOT ALL OF THEM HAD PARKING, AND THAT'S NOT REALLY VERY GOOD. OKAY. LESS THAN 50%. THIS WAS A, IS A, UM, WORKFORCE PROJECT, UM, 60% A MI THAT MEANS WORKERS, THAT MEANS FAMILIES. THAT MEANS PEOPLE THAT HAVE TO GET TO WORK, HAVE TO GET THE KIDS TO SCHOOL BABYSITTERS SHOPPING AND NO TRANSIT IS NOT GONNA HANDLE GROCERY SHOPPING. AND SO, UM, I, UH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I AM IN COMPLETE AGREEMENT WITH THAT NO VOTE FOR THAT PARTICULAR MEETING. AND I'M SO SORRY THAT, UM, SIX OF YOU VOTED YES, RED. 'CAUSE I CAN'T EVEN BELIEVE THAT ANYONE WOULD THINK THAT YOU CAN THROW AWAY YOUR KEYS AS A FAMILY AND GET AWAY WITH NOT HAVING A CAR. YOU JUST CAN'T. AND, UM, WELL, I HAVE TO ADMIT THAT I DID VOTE FOR COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY FOR THAT REASON AND A COUPLE MORE REASONS. AND THAT WAS THE THIRD TIME I VOTED FOR HIM. SO I THINK YOU'RE WONDERFUL . YAY. AND THANK YOU FOR SUPPORTING AFFORDABLE HOUSING ALWAYS. COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND THAT CLOSES PUBLIC COMMENT, GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE EVENING. AND, UM, WE NOW MOVE TO [COUNCIL COMMENT] COUNCIL COMMENTS FOR THE EVENING. AND I'D LIKE TO START WITH OUR VICE MAYOR SHRI. OKAY. SO THERE WAS A, A FEW MEETINGS THIS LAST, UH, COUPLE WEEKS. AND, UH, I JUST CAME FROM THE, UH, PET WETLANDS ALLIANCE, UH, BOARD MEETING. AND I FOUND OUT THAT THERE IS BRAND NEW KIOSK THAT THE, UH, ALLIANCE PET WETLANDS ALLIANCE, UH, FOLKS WORKED WITH THE CITY AND, UH, BOTH FINANCIALLY AND PROVIDING TEXT AND INFORMATION AND PICTURES. AND NOW THERE'S A WHOLE SET OF 11 BRAND NEW KIOSKS OVER AT ELLIS CREEK, UH, RECYCLING FACILITY. AND SO THERE'S GOING TO BE A, UH, SORT OF LIKE CELEBRATION OF THAT ON, UH, NOVEMBER 9TH AT 3:00 PM UM, THERE'LL BE A, A, A GROUP WALKED LOOKING AT ALL THE, THE, THE KIOSKS AND EVERYONE'S INVITED TO JOIN IN ON THAT, ON THE AG AND OPEN SPACE. UM, I WAS AT A BEATING. I'M NOW ON THE, UH, GRANTS, UH, COMMITTEE WHERE WE ARE, UH, RECOMMENDING BETWEEN THREE AND $4 MILLION TO BE SPENT ON URBAN PARKS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. UH, PETALUMA IS NOT ONE OF THEM. AND PETALUMA DOES HAVE, UM, THREE, UH, ALLOCATIONS RIGHT NOW. UH, TWO FOR 1,000,001 FOR 2 MILLION THAT ARE NOT SPENT YET. BUT WE, BUT GIVEN THE CRITERIA, I THINK WE CAN BE UP FOR ANOTHER OPTION. BUT WE DO NEED TO SPEND THE $4 MILLION THIS YEAR IN ORDER TO GET OUR, OUR NEXT ALLOTMENT, WHICH IS VERY POSSIBLE. SO THERE'S $3 MILLION ALLOCATED THIS YEAR, AND, UM, THERE'LL BE ANOTHER 3 MILLION NEXT YEAR FOR, SO I'D LIKE TO GET IN QUEUE FOR THAT. SO, UM, ANYWAY, SO, AND WENT TO THE RIVER PARK, UH, CELEBRATION YESTERDAY. AND, UH, UH, FROM WHAT I SAW, THAT WOULD ACTUALLY RATE VERY, VERY HIGHLY ON, ON THE RANKING CRITERIA THAT I SAW IN THE, UH, UM, THE GRANTS PROGRAM. UM, I WAS ALSO AT THE GENERATION H SUMMIT, UH, RECENTLY. AND OF COURSE THAT THAT COMES DOWN TO HOUSING IS OUR NUMBER ONE NEED, UH, ESPECIALLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT ALL TYPES OF HOUSING IS NEEDED IS THE CONCLUSION THAT WAS, WE WERE GIVEN, UH, IN NORTH BAY WATERSHED ASSOCIATION. I'M NOW ALSO ON THE GRANT AND SCHOLARSHIP COMMITTEE [00:30:01] MEETING. UM, AND THEN THERE'S, UH, A, UH, SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS POSSIBILITIES FOR SMALL PROJECT GRANTS AND SCHOLARSHIPS FOR INTERNS, UM, WHO MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN WORKING IN THE WATERSHED FIELD. SO THAT, THAT, THAT MIGHT BE COMING DOWN SO WE, PEOPLE CAN START THINKING ABOUT MAYBE SOME SMALL GRANTS FOR, UH, WATERSHED EDUCATION AND WATERSHED WORK AND PROJECTS. UM, AT THE, UM, THERE WAS ANOTHER WEBINAR ON CARBON DIOXIDE REMOVAL FROM THE ENVIRONMENT PUT ON BY THE CLIMATE CENTER HERE IN SANTA ROSA THAT INVITED FOLKS FROM PRETTY MUCH ALL OVER THE WORLD. AND IN THAT WEBINAR, UM, THERE ARE, UH, THERE IS A WORLDWIDE EFFORT TO, TO LOOK AT CARBON REMOVAL FROM THE ATMOSPHERE AS WELL AS ELIMINATING IT FROM OUR, OUR PROCESSES THROUGH, UM, UM, REDUCTION IN EMISSIONS. UM, AND IT JUST TURNS OUT FROM THE WEBINAR, THE BASIC CONCLUSION THERE IS WE HAVE TO WORK ON OUR NATURAL SYSTEMS FOR CARBON REMOVAL. UM, UH, WHICH WOULD BE FAR SUPERIOR TO MOSTLY THE INDUSTRIAL IS THE CONCLUSION I I CAME FROM THAT. UM, BUT WE STILL NEED TO REDUCE OUR EMISSIONS, UH, PRODUCTION BY AT LEAST 80% JUST BY DOING, UM, BETTER CHANGES OF BEHAVIORS AND THE LIKE. SO THAT'S THE CONCLUSIONS FROM THAT WEBINAR. AND, UM, AND THAT'S IT FOR, FOR ME FOR THE MOMENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, MEMBER CATER THOMPSON. YEAH, IT WAS AT THE LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES LAST, UM, WEEK FOR THREE DAYS. AND IT WAS A GOOD CONFERENCE. AND HOUSING OF COURSE WAS, YOU KNOW, A BIG TOPIC, UM, FOR ALL CITIES. UM, AND I JUST WANNA SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, NOT EVERY HOUSING PROJECT IS PERFECT, BUT WHEN YOU'RE LIVING IN LOW INCOME HOUSING AND OPPOSING LOW INCOME HOUSING FOR OTHERS, THAT'S AN ISSUE FOR ME BECAUSE IT'S GOOD FOR ME, BUT NOT FOR SOMEBODY ELSE. AND NOT EVERY PROJECT IS GONNA BE PERFECT. AND SO I JUST WANT TO STATE THAT. AND I, MY SONOMA COUNTY TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY MEETING, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE FUTURE OF WHERE TRANSPORTATION'S GONNA GO, AND IT'S ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN AND YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW WE'RE GONNA ACTUALLY MOVE IN THIS COUNTY IN THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, 10 TO 20, 30 YEARS. AND THAT IS, UM, DIFFERENT MODES THAN JUST, UM, CARS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LIVE WITH. UM, UM, SMART IS GONNA BE A BIG, UM, A BIG PART OF THAT TRANSPORTATION, BUT IT'S REALLY THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN SO PEOPLE CAN GO AT DIFFERENT MODES OF TRANSPORTATION TO GET, GET TO WHERE YOU WANNA GO. AND, AND I HAVE MY, UM, WATER MEETING THIS WEEK, AND SO I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT NEXT TIME. THAT'S IT. THANKS. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER, MEMBER BARNACLE, JUST ONE UPDATE. UM, THAT'S IN ADDITION TO SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT'S ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED. IT WAS AT THE GRAND OPENING OF THE HALL OF THE ABOVE, UM, WHICH WAS A FANTASTIC EVENT. THERE WAS OVER A THOUSAND PEOPLE THAT CAME THROUGH THE DOORS THAT DAY, AND IT'S JUST REALLY EXCITING TO, UM, SEE THAT BEAUTIFUL OLD BUILDING, UM, BEING, BEING USED AGAIN. THANKS, COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY. THANK YOU. SO, UM, I WAS ALSO AT THE, UH, LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITY'S, UH, CONFERENCE, ANNUAL CONFERENCE IN, UH, LONG BEACH LAST WEEK. AND, UM, THAT WAS THE REASON WHY, UNFORTUNATELY I COULDN'T PARTICIPATE IN THE LOS CN, UH, CANDIDATE FORUM. THEY HAD ORIGINALLY TOLD ME THAT THE, THAT DISTRICT SIX CANDIDATES WOULD BE ON AT SEVEN O'CLOCK, WHICH WOULD'VE ALLOWED ME TO JOIN BY ZOOM. BUT THEY MOVED THAT UP TO A TIME THAT CONFLICTED WITH THE NORTH BAY DIVISION'S, UH, ANNUAL BUSINESS MEETING. AND, UM, BUT AT THAT BUSINESS MEETING, I WAS, UH, REELECTED AND THEN SWORN IN AS THE, UH, NORTH BAY DIVISION'S REPRESENTATIVE ON THE CAL CITY BOARD OF DIRECTORS. UM, AND I THINK I'VE MENTIONED THIS BEFORE, BUT I'M THE FIRST PETALUMA OFFICIAL TO SERVE ON THE CAL CITIES BOARD SINCE HELEN PUTNAM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER NOW. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. EACH OCTOBER WOMEN ARE REMINDED TO PUT THEMSELVES FIRST AND MAKE TIME FOR THEIR HEALTH. I AM WEARING PINK TO REMIND EVERYONE, INCLUDING MEN, BUT ESPECIALLY WOMEN, TO BE SCREENED FOR CANCER. WE HAVE LOST SOME AMAZING INDIVIDUALS TO THIS TERRIBLE DISEASE AND THINK PINK. AND I'M PROUD THAT OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT IS GOT PINK THREAD ON THEIR SHIRTS THIS MONTH, SAYS THANK YOU. AT OUR LAST PARKS AND RECS MEETING, WE HEARD A WONDERFUL PRESENTATION BY STAFFER REGARDING TO SOME EXCITING ACTIVITIES AND EVENTS TAKING PLACE AT OUR FAIRGROUNDS. LUMA ICE AND PICKLE BOWL SET UP OF THE ICE RINK WILL BEGIN IN NOVEMBER AND IN DECEMBER ON THE 11TH, IT WILL HAVE A SOFT OPENING WITH FOOD TRUCKS AND VENDORS. LUMA ICE WILL BE OPEN FOR DROP-IN SC AND MORE THROUGH JANUARY 7TH. IF YOU WANT MORE INFORMATION INCLUDING [00:35:01] SPONSORSHIPS, YOU CAN GO TO OUR CITY WEBSITE. OUR PARK STAFF IS REALLY FEELING PRETTY SAD DUE TO THE RECENT FIRES THAT DESTROYED A LOT OF THEIR EQUIPMENT. IF YOU SEE ANY CITY PARK STAFF, PLEASE REACH OUT AND TELL THEM WHAT A GREAT JOB THEY'RE DOING AND YOU SHARE THEIR AND THEIR LOSS. WE ALSO HEARD A PRESENTATION FROM RELIEF REGARDING A FOUR PHASE TREE PLANTING IN THE DENMAN REACH AREA BEGINNING SOON AND THROUGH WINTER OF 2025. THERE WAS NO AIRPORT COMMISSION MEETING THIS MONTH, BUT COME OUT AND HAVE A MEAL AT TWO NINE OR DINER AND WASH AVIATION ACTIVITIES. I ATTENDED A FEW LOCAL SCHOOL CARNIVALS OVER THE WEEKEND, A GREAT FAMILY, FUN, AND I WANNA THANK EVERYONE, THE FAMILIES AND SCHOOL STAFF THAT WERE INVOLVED. AND ON SATURDAY, I ATTENDED THE SIXTH ANNUAL GARRETT PAZ SCHOLARSHIP FUNDRAISER DINNER AT TORCH'S RESTAURANT THIS YEAR, THE FUTURE FIREFIGHTER WHO RECEIVED THE SCHOLARSHIP GAVE THE MONEY TO THE WIDOW AND FAMILY OF THE RANCHO ADOBE FIREFIGHTER WHO HAD A FATAL HEART ATTACK. RECENTLY. THERE WAS NOT A DRY EYE IN THE PLACE, AND SHE ACCEPTED OUR CHECK, AND WE ARE MOST GRATEFUL FOR THE YOUNG MAN WHO COULD HAVE USED THAT MONEY TO PROCEED HIS, UM, FIREFIGHTING CAREER. BUT HE GAVE IT, AND THAT'S COMMUNITY. UM, I HAVE BUTTONS FROM THAT EVENING WITH THE FACE OF THE FIREFIGHTER WHO LOST HIS LIFE DURING THAT FIRE. UM, I THINK IT WAS THE TUBBS FIRE. AND, UM, I WILL GIVE THOSE TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO REMIND US TO, UM, THANK A FIREFIGHTER 'CAUSE THEY PUT THEIR LIVES IN DANGER. UM, I BELIEVE OUR LAST MOVIE IS IN THE PARK. I I SEE PARK STAFF IN THEIR, YES, IT'S ON FRIDAY AND IT'S, UM, AT SUNSET IN LUCCHESE PARK, AND IT WILL BE COCO, WHICH GOES ALONG PERFECT WITH THE, UM, THE, THE PRESIDENT OF THE, UM, PROCLAMATION THAT WE GAVE TONIGHT FOR THE DAY OF THE DEAD. AND I TOO IS AT THE HALL OF THE ABOVE. UM, MY HUSBAND HAD AN OFFICE IN THAT BUILDING IN THE NINETIES. SO, UM, IT WAS A, A FUN REMINDER OF WHAT, UM, WE CAN DO WITH SOME OF THESE OLD BUILDINGS IN PETALUMA. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU. AND, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER POKAY. THANK YOU. UM, I HAD A TRANSIT COMMITTEE, UH, MEETING, UH, AT WHICH WE DISCUSSED, UH, THE FIRST COUPLE WEEKS OF THE, THE LUMA GO MICRO TRANSIT SYSTEM. UM, IT'S BEEN, UH, VERY WELL RECEIVED AND, UH, PEOPLE ARE MAKING LOTS OF COMMENTS ABOUT HOW, HOW TO IMPROVE IT AS WELL AS THEIR SATISFACTION WITH IT. UM, AND I THINK IT IS, UH, INCREASINGLY CERTAIN THAT IT WILL BE EXPANDED, UH, UH, IN THE NEXT YEAR IN SOMETIME IN 2025 TO, UH, INCLUDE THE EAST SIDE AND, AND PROBABLY A SECOND VEHICLE. UM, UM, THAT'S ABOUT ALL I HAVE IN THAT REGARD. I, I DO, UH, FEEL'S NECESSARY AGAIN TO COMMENT THAT, UH, THAT I DO, UH, UH, SUPPORT A CEASEFIRE NEGOTIATIONS IN THE MIDDLE EAST, AND I THINK WE'RE ALL GONNA HAVE TO MAKE A, A DECISION SOMETIME WITH THE EXPANSION OF THE WAR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, I TOO ATTENDED, UM, SEVERAL OF THE SAME EVENTS. I THINK YOU SEE YOUR COUNCIL PRETTY ENGAGED IN THE COMMUNITY AND OVERLAPPING A BIT, BUT, UH, WE, WE WERE AT, UH, THE MAYORS AND COUNCIL MEETING THIS, UH, PAST, UH, UH, WEEK. AND, UH, THE MAIN TOPICS WERE THE SONOMA COUNTY TRANSPORTATION AGENCY AND REGIONAL, UH, CLIMATE PROTECTION AGENCY. WE GOT QUITE THE UPDATE OF WHAT THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO HOLDS FOR THEM. UM, AND AT THE MAYOR'S BREAKOUT PART OF THAT MEETING, THE COUNTY, UH, WAS SHARING WITH US THEIR PLANS FOR EXPANSION OF THE, UH, MEAM ROAD DUMP, WHICH WILL FILL IN ABOUT 15 YEARS. SO THEY'RE MAKING PLANS FOR HOW, UM, THE COUNTY WILL OPERATE AFTER THAT POINT. AND THE KEY PART IS MITIGATION FOR WHAT A DUMP CREATES. UM, THEY WERE ALSO TALKING ABOUT THE OPENING OF THEIR COMPOSTING FACILITY. THE AIRPORT STILL A A BIT AWAY, BUT IT'LL BE AN INDUSTRIAL LEVEL. IT'S WHERE ALL THE COMPOSTING IN THE COUNTY WILL WILL GO, THAT'S NOT DONE AT YOUR HOME. AND, UM, THEN THEY WERE ALSO TALKING ABOUT THE OPENING OF THE HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE FACILITIES. SO, UH, A LOT OF GOOD STUFF COMING OUT OF, UM, UH, ZERO WASTE. SONOMA GENERATION HOUSING, AS WAS MENTIONED, UM, HAD THEIR, UH, FOURTH ANNUAL HOUSING SUMMIT AND, UH, YOU KNOW, NATIONAL LEVEL SPEAKERS AND, AND ALL OF OUR LOCAL NONPROFITS AS WELL. UH, KEYNOTE FROM MICHAEL TUB'S, FORMER MAYOR OF STOCKTON. AND, UM, REALLY MOVING IT'S PROGRAMS LIKE THAT THAT INFORM, UH, MY VOTING ON PETALUMA'S HOUSING POLICIES. UH, THE, THE DENNIS MARTOS, AS WAS MENTIONED EAR EARLIER AS, UH, COMING THIS, THIS SATURDAY. AND, UH, IT'LL BE IN FRONT OF THE HISTORICAL MUSEUM, THE CARNEGIE LIBRARY MUSEUM. UM, BUT THIS WEEKEND THEY HELD [00:40:01] A, WHAT'S YOUR STORY, PETALUMA? AND IT WAS REAL, REAL GOOD EVENT AT, AT OUR FACILITY THERE. UM, WEST SIDE STORIES WAS THERE FOR FREE AND, UM, MUSIC, DANCE FLASH, MEMORY RECORDING, REAL, REAL GOOD EVENT. AND I DON'T BELIEVE ANYBODY'S MENTIONED OUR BIKE SHARE PROGRAM. UM, AND, UH, REMEMBER GO TO, UM, UH, REDWOOD BIKE SHARE AS AN APP TO, TO RIDE THOSE THINGS FIRST 30 MINUTES FREE. SO THAT'S KIND OF COOL. AND, AND THEN I ALSO ATTENDED A BLUE ZONES MEETING ON THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT. UH, BLUE ZONES IS, IS ROCKING WITH, UH, THEIR EFFORTS AND ALSO ATTENDED PETALUMA BLACKS FOR COMMUNITIES HEALTH FAIR. UH, AND I GOT TO, AND I GOT TO DISCUSS HOUSING WITH REPRESENTATIVES OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION AND OTHERS WHO WERE, UH, THERE AT THAT MEETING. AND THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN MY WEEK. UM, SO, UH, I'D LIKE TO PASS IT OVER TO THE CITY [CITY MANAGER COMMENT] MANAGER FOR ANY COMMENTS. WELL, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, YOU JUST TOOK ALL OF MY, UH, COMMENTS. SO THE BIKE SHARE WAS THE LAST ONE. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING SO ENGAGED. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND, UM, ANY AND ANY, UH, COMMENT FROM OUR CITY ATTORNEY TONIGHT. UM, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I, I, IF YOU'D LIKE, I CAN JUST MENTION BRIEFLY, UM, I DID RESPOND, UM, I SENT A RESPONSE TO MS. FLORES AT ABOUT, UH, ONE 30 TODAY, BUT SHE MAY NOT HAVE SEEN IT BEFORE COMING TO TONIGHT'S MEETING. IN THAT RESPONSE, I INCLUDED A TRANSCRIPT OF MY REMARKS ON OCTOBER 7TH, UM, AND HER CHARACTERIZATION OF THOSE TO, TO REEMPHASIZE THAT IN MY REMARKS ON THE SEVENTH, I WAS REFERRING TO THREE PARTICULAR COMPLAINTS, UM, THAT SHE FILED CONCERNING PETALUMA PUBLIC OFFICIALS, ALL THREE OF WHICH HAD BEEN DISMISSED. AND IN, IN THAT RESPONSE TO MS. FLORES, I INCLUDED A COPY OF THE DISMISSALS FROM THE FPPC. SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT MY REMARKS ARE NO BROADER THAN THAT. AND IF THERE ARE MORE QUESTIONS, UM, I'LL, THAT SHE MAY HAVE IN THE FUTURE, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS THEM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THAT CLOSES THAT EFFORT. AND NOW WE'LL MOVE TO [CONSENT CALENDAR] THE CONSENT CALENDAR. AND I'D LIKE TO ASK, UH, IF ANYONE ON THE DAAS HAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE CONSENT CALENDAR, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY? YEAH, I DON'T NEED TO REMOVE ANYTHING, BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON ITEM TWO TO GO AHEAD AND THIS COULD PROBABLY BE APPROPRIATE TIME FOR QUESTION. YES. OKAY. SO I'M FINE WITH THE, UM, TENTATIVE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MEETING. BUT WE ALSO GET, UM, ATTACHMENT TWO WAS A SIGNIFICANT AGENDA ITEM SCHEDULE, UH, FOR, FOR FUTURE MEETINGS. AND ON THAT ONE, UM, ON DECEMBER 16TH, THERE'S AN ITEM CERTIFICATION OF FEIR AND INTRODUCTION, FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE FOR THE DOWNTOWN ECONOMIC OVERLAY, ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY AND HOUSING OVERLAY. AND, AND THAT DOESN'T SEEM CONSISTENT WITH THE MOST RECENT AGENDA PLAN OR THE COUNCIL HAS JUST RECEIVED, BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T SHOW THAT. UM, BUT IT DOES SHOW ON, UM, NOVEMBER 18TH, AN ITEM SAYS POLICY DIRECTION TO STAFF ON DOWNTOWN HOUSING, HOUSING AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY OVERLAY. SO I, I'D JUST LIKE CLARIFICATION ON WHICH, IF THOSE ARE, ARE ACCURATE OR IF THEY CAN BE COORDINATED SOMEHOW. THANK YOU. THANKS, COUNCILMAN. UM, SO BASED ON THE DIRECTION THAT WE HAD RECEIVED, UH, FROM COUNCIL, UM, AT OUR LAST MEETING, UH, WE'RE SCHEDULED TO COME BACK ON NOVEMBER 18TH FOR THE WORKSHOP SLASH DIRECTION ON THE ORDINANCE ITSELF. UM, AND SO THAT'S JUST A REMNANT OF, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, AN OLDER TIMELINE. AND SO WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE SOMETHING SCHEDULED FOR DECEMBER, SO THAT'LL COME OFF. OKAY. SO, SO THE, UM, THE CERTIFICATION OF THE FEI, UH, FEIR IS NOT CURRENTLY SCHEDULED FOR DECEMBER 16TH, IS THAT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE. AND WITH THAT, MR. MAYOR, I'D BE HAPPY TO MOVE THE ENTIRE CONSENT CALENDAR. I THINK WE'LL, WE'LL DO, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT. OH, PUBLIC COMMENT. I'M SORRY. UH, AND, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER RI, YOU HAD A QUESTION? UH, YES. ON ITEM NUMBER THREE IN THE CONSENT CALENDAR, UM, WE DO HAVE A, UH, A LARGE PURCHASE, WHICH, UH, LOOKED VERY INTERESTING. BUT I THINK JUST FOR TRANSPARENCY, UH, I THINK IT WOULD BE, UM, A GOOD THING FOR OUR, OUR FIRE CHIEF TO GIVE US A, JUST A QUICK SUMMARY OF, UM, HOW, WHAT DECISION WAS MADE AND, UM, HOW WE'RE PROCEEDING WITH THAT. AND, UH, OUR, WE HAPPEN TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVING THE CHIEF IN THE HOUSE AT THIS MOMENT. AND SO, UM, IF YOU COULD, UH, GIVE US A RUNDOWN ON BIDDING AND ABSOLUTELY. AND THEY HAPPEN TO HAVE SOMETHING PREPARED JUST, JUST FOR SUCH OCCASION. THANK YOU FOR THE HEADS UP. UH, IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, IT INCLUDED THE [00:45:01] MAJORITY OF FUNDING FOR A NEW FIRE ENGINE TO REPLACE ONE OF OUR CURRENT FRONTLINE ENGINES. ADDITIONAL FUNDS FROM MEASURE H WILL BE ADDED AT, AT OUR MID-YEAR BUDGET ADJUSTMENT TO FULLY FUND THIS PURCHASE, UH, UP TO $1.3 MILLION. FIRE ENGINE BUILDS BUILD OUT TIMES ARE NOW CURRENTLY FOUR YEARS TO COMPLETE. WE'RE ORDERING THIS ENGINE NOW SO THAT WHEN THIS UNIT ARRIVES, IT CAN BE, IT CAN REPLACE AND MOVE INTO RESERVE STATUS. A FIRE ENGINE THAT AT THE TIME WILL BE 12 YEARS OLD WITH AROUND 120,000 ROAD MILES. LAST YEAR WE TOOK DELIVERY OF THE SAME STYLE FIRE ENGINE ONE WITH IDLE REDUCTION TECHNOLOGY USING LITHIUM BATTERIES. UH, IT'S BEEN IN SERVICE FOR ALMOST A YEAR AT OUR D STREET STATION. AND WITH THAT NEW TECHNOLOGY, HYBRID TECHNOLOGY, WE'RE SAVED UP 500 GALLONS OF DIESEL FUEL PER YEAR. UH, AND WITH THE SECOND ENGINE, IT'LL BE UP A THOUSAND GALLONS PER YEAR. ALL ELECTRIC OPTIONS FOR FIRE ENGINES ARE NOW BECOMING MORE AVAILABLE. AND AS WE BUILD OUR NEW FIRE STATION AND DO SAFETY UPGRADES OF EXISTING FIRE STATIONS, WE'LL ENSURE THAT INFRASTRUCTURES IN PLACE TO SUPPORT ALL ELECTRIC APPARATUS AS A FUTURE OPTION. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS IF THERE ARE ANY. YEAH, THERE WAS JUST, UH, ONE QUESTION THAT THEY CAME UP, I WASN'T QUITE CLEAR. UM, WILL BE, THERE WAS A, A STATEMENT OF SOMETHING ABOUT PREPAYMENT. WE GET REDUCED PRICING IF IT'S PREPAID. SO ARE WE GOING TO PREPAY OR, OR PAY AT A LATER DATE WHEN IT'S, WHEN IT ARRIVES? WE, WE ARE PREPAYING, WHICH SAVES IT'S, I BELIEVE IT'S RIGHT AROUND $115,000 IN SAVINGS BY DOING THE PREPAY, WHICH WE DO PLAN ON DOING. OKAY. SO WE'LL BE SPENDING, UH, PUTTING THAT MONEY OUT NOW THEN, UH, TO SET UP THE CONTRACT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION. AND WITH NO OTHER QUESTIONS, I THINK WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS, UH, THE CONSENT CALENDAR. PLEASE TAKE IT AWAY. SURE. WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR. UM, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ATTENDING IN PERSON SHOULD BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE SO. SPEAKERS ARE REMINDED TO BE RESPECTFUL IN THEIR COMMENTS AND THAT THIS MEETING IS BEING TRANSLATED. PLEASE PAUSE BETWEEN SENTENCES FOR TRANSLATION. I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS AND THAT IN THAT CASE, WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. AND COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY. AND NOW I'LL MOVE APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS ONE THROUGH SEVEN. AND I NEED A SEC AND A SECOND FROM CATER THOMPSON. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND ROLL CALL VOTE BARNACLE. AYE. CATER THOMPSON. YES. HEALY, YES. NOW YES. , YES. SHRIVES, YES. MCDONALD. YES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND, UH, WE MOVE ON TO A [PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION] PUBLIC HEARING IN MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION, INTRODUCTION OF AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND ZONING MAP OF THE IMPLEMENTING ZONING ORDINANCE TO PRE-ONE 12.9 ACRE SITE, LOCATED AT 5,400 OLD REDWOOD HIGHWAY TO A BUSINESS PARK, OPEN SPACE AND PARK AND FLOODPLAIN COMBINATION DISTRICT ZONING DISTRICTS PRIOR TO ANNEXATION PROCEEDINGS TO BE CONDUCTED BY SONOMA LOCAL AREA FORMATION COMMISSION. AND TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION OF APPLICATION FOR REORGANIZATION OF PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 5,400 OLD REDWOOD HIGHWAY. AND, UH, HELP US OUT WITH THIS. WE HAVE MIKE IN A SEC. THANK YOU, MAYOR MCDONALD. AND, UH, GOOD EVENING. GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. I'M MIKE JANICE HERE TO PRESENT THE STAFF REPORT FOR 5,400 OLD REDWOOD HIGHWAY. UM, THIS IS, UH, THE APPLICATION TYPES ARE FOR A ZONING MAP, AMENDMENT, AND AN ANNEXATION. AND THIS ITEM, UH, IS A CONTINUATION OF THE JUNE 17TH PUBLIC HEARING. UH, SO AN OVERVIEW OF MY PRESENTATION THIS EVENING. I'LL PROVIDE A RECAP ON, UH, THE PROJECT BACKGROUND AND SCOPE OF WORK. I'LL SUMMARIZE THE MEETING HISTORY AND THE RESPONSES TO COUNCIL COMMENTS. I'LL REVIEW, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT. I'LL GO THROUGH THE STANDARDS OF REVIEW AND I'LL PROVIDE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. UH, IF YOU RECALL, THE PROJECT CONSISTS OF TWO PARCELS. UM, THERE IS THE RECTANGULAR, UH, PRIMARY PARCEL AND THEN THE TRIANGULAR PARCEL ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. UH, THEY TOTAL 12.9 ACRES. UH, THIS IS ALONG OLD REDWOOD HIGHWAY AT THE NORTHEAST END OF TOWN. UM, NEAREST CROSS STREET IS, UH, REDWOOD WAY. UM, THE PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY. AND AS SUCH, IT HAS, UH, GENERAL PLANNED LAND USE DESIGNATION. IT'S DESIGNATED AS BUSINESS PARK. AND, UM, AND SO THAT, UM, DEMONSTRATES THAT A FUTURE, UM, ANNEXATION HAS BEEN ANTICIPATED BY THE, BY THE CITY. AND, UM, THERE'S ALSO PORTIONS OF THE SITE ON THE WESTERN AND NORTHERN PERIMETER THAT ARE DESIGNATED OPEN SPACE. [00:50:01] UM, AND THAT CORRESPONDS WITH WOODBROOK CREEK AS WELL AS AN URBAN SEPARATOR. UH, THE ZONING, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S NO ZONING, UM, ON THE PROPERTY. UH, AS FAR AS CITY ZONING IS CONCERNED, BECAUSE IT'S NOT WITHIN THE CITY'S JURISDICTION. IT DOES HAVE, UM, LIMITED COMMERCIAL, UM, SONOMA COUNTY ZONING AT THE PRESENT TIME. UH, THE ADJACENT CITY ZONES, UH, INCLUDE PLANNED COMMUNITY DISTRICTS THAT, UM, IMPLEMENT THE, UH, REDWOOD BUSINESS PARKS. AND THERE'S ALSO AN OPEN SPACE AND PARKS, UM, UH, ZONING DISTRICT, UH, THAT RUNS ADJACENT TO BROOK CREEK. UM, THE TWO ITEMS OR THE TWO ACTIONS, UH, BEFORE THE COUNCIL THIS EVENING, UH, TO INTRODUCE AN ORDINANCE FOR ZONING MAP AMENDMENT TO PRE-ONE, THE 12.9 ACRE SITE TO BUSINESS PARK, OPEN SPACE AND PARK AND FLOODPLAIN COMBINING DISTRICT ZONING DISTRICTS, UH, PRIOR TO ANNEXATION OF THE CITY. UM, THE OTHER ACTION IS TO PROVE A RESOLUTION OF APPLICATION FOR ANNEXATION PROCEEDINGS WITH SONOMA LAFCO. UM, THE AUTHORITY TO, UH, CHANGE THE ZONING MAP IS FOUND IN, UM, ZONING CODE SECTION, UH, 25 10. UM, AND THIS, UM, GRANTS THE AUTHORITY OF THE COUNCIL TO AMEND THE ZONING MAP UPON RECOMMENDATION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AND THEN IN YOUR PACKET, UM, THERE'S A MEMO AT, IN ATTACHMENT NINE FROM STAFF THAT EXPLAINS THE ANNEXATION PROCESS. AND, UM, TO SUMMARIZE, UH, THOSE, UH, THAT, UM, EXPLANATION, UM, PRIOR TO AN ANNEXATION, THE PROPONENT FILING FOR THE ANNEXATION, UH, MUST PRE-ONE THE SITE, UH, BEFORE APPLYING TO L FCO. UM, AND WHILE IT'S NOT A CODIFIED REQUIREMENT TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION OF APPLICATION, IT IS SONOMA COUNTY, UH, LCO POLICY, UM, TO RECEIVE A RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT FROM THE RECEIVING JURISDICTION FOR AN APPLICANT INITIATED ANNEXATION. HERE IS AN EXHIBIT, UM, THAT'S A PART OF THE, THE, UM, EXHIBIT TO THE, UM, DRAFT ORDINANCE, AND THAT INCLUDES THE PROPOSED ZONING. UM, THE, THE BASE ZONING WOULD BE BUSINESS PARK. THERE'D BE FLOODPLAIN COMBINING DISTRICT OVERLAY THAT CORRESPONDS WITH PORTIONS OF THE SITE THAT ARE WITHIN THE 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN. THAT'S, UM, SHOWN IN THE BLUE HATCHING. AND THEN THE GREEN SHADING ARE THE PERIMETER SECTIONS THAT WOULD IMPLEMENT THE, UM, THE OPEN SPACE DESIGNATION. UH, THE PURPOSE OF THE ANNEXATION IS TO CONNECT TO, UH, CITY UTILITIES AND SERVICES. UM, THE APPLICANT WOULD PAY FOR, UM, A SANITARY SEWER, UM, EXTENSION, UH, TO THE NEAREST CONNECTION POINT. UH, THESE CONNECTIONS WOULD ALLOW, UM, EXISTING BUSINESSES, UM, TO, UH, CONTINUE TO OPERATE AS WELL AS, UM, THE, THERE'S VACANT, UM, TENANT SPACES THAT, UH, THE DEVELOPER WOULD BE ABLE TO LEASE. UM, WHILE UPON CONNECTION TO CITY SERVICES, UM, THE ITEM WENT TO PLANNING COMMISSION IN ON JANUARY 23RD. UM, AT THAT MEETING, THE, THE COMMISSION VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION RECOMMENDING TO CITY COUNCIL, UH, THAT THEY ADOPT THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT. UM, THEY ALSO UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED A RESOLUTION RECOMMENDING CITY COUNCIL, UM, ADOPT THE RESOLUTION OF APPLICATION FOR ANNEXATION. UM, AND THEY ALSO, WHEN THEY FORWARDED THOSE TWO RECOMMENDATIONS, THEY DIRECTED STAFF TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO ADDRESS CONCERNS. IN A 2015, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY LETTER THAT EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, UH, APPROXIMATELY 11,500 CUBIC YARDS OF IMPORTED FILL THAT ARE, UM, PRESENTLY ON THE SITE AND THE APPLICANT, UM, FOLLOWING THE DIRECTION BY COMMISSION, UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, WORKED WITH WEST CONSULTANTS, WHO'S THE CITY'S, UM, PREFERRED FLOODPLAIN ENGINEER CONSULTANT, AND IS WORKING ON THE CITY'S, UM, FLOODPLAIN MODEL. UM, AND THEY PRODUCED THE FILL ANALYSIS MEMO, UM, DATED, UH, MAY 29TH, WHICH EVALUATED, UM, THE FILL REMOVAL. UM, AND THE APPLICANT ALSO, UH, PROVIDED, UH, EVIDENCE OF A SONOMA COUNTY GRADING PERMIT FOR THAT FILL PLACEMENT. UM, FROM THE YEAR 2000 AND STAFF, UM, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE PREPARED A, UH, PRE ANNEXATION AGREEMENT, WHICH IS [00:55:01] IN YOUR PACKET AS ATTACHMENT 12. AND THAT, UM, WOULD ENSURE THAT ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE CITY'S, UM, ZERO NET FILL POLICY AS AN ADJACENT PROPERTY TO WILL BROOK CREEK. UM, SO THOSE WERE ALL THE, UM, INCORPORATION OF, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, COMMENTS AND FEEDBACK BEFORE THE INITIAL CITY COUNCIL HEARING, WHICH TOOK PLACE ON JUNE 17TH, UM, AT THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING. UM, AT THAT MEETING, UH, COUNCIL, UM, VOTED FIVE TO ONE, UM, TO CONTINUE THE ITEM AND DIRECTED, UM, THE APPLICANT TO REVISE THE FILL ANALYSIS, UH, WITH MORE INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO, UM, THE EXTENT OF THE CITY MODEL, UM, A MORE THOROUGH DISCUSSION OF THE RESULTS AND MORE INFORMATION FROM THE APPLICANT, UM, REGARDING, UH, FUTURE INTENDED USES OF THE SITE. UM, SO THE ITEM IS RETURNING, UM, THIS EVENING, UH, WITH A REVISED, UH, FILL MEMO THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET AS ATTACHMENT 15. IT'S DATED AUGUST 30TH, UM, IN WHICH, UM, ANOTHER, UH, FILL REMOVAL SCENARIO, UM, WAS TESTED WHERE, UM, 90% OF THE FILL WAS REMOVED TO, UM, LEAVE A, UM, A BERM LIKE CONDITION THAT WOULD, UM, TRY AND MIMIC SOME OF THE, UM, SAME EFFECTS ON, UM, THE FLOW DIRECTION AND RATES OF RUNOFF. UM, AND IN BOTH SCENARIOS, UM, THE CONCLUSIONS, UM, WERE THE SAME AS THE INITIAL, UH, MEMO, UH, WHEREBY, UH, THERE IS, UH, ONE PROPERTY THAT HAS A, UM, APPROXIMATELY 0.5, UM, HALF FOOT, UM, REDUCTION IN FLOOD DEPTHS, BUT THERE ARE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT WOULD IN EXPERIENCE FLOOD INCREASES. AND SO THE, UH, WEST CONSULTANTS CONCLUDES THAT FILL REMOVAL IS NOT, UH, RECOMMENDED IN EITHER 100% OR 90% REMOVAL SCENARIO. UH, THE APPLICANTS ALSO HERE THIS EVENING, AND THEY'VE PREPARED SOME SLIDES THAT DETAIL THEIR, UM, FUTURE INTENDED USES OF THE SITE. UM, UH, SOME HISTORY ON THE PUBLIC COMMENTS. UM, FOR THE, UH, THE JUNE 17TH, UM, MEETING AND HEARING, UH, TWO, TWO COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED, UM, THAT WERE WRITTEN COMMENTS, AND THEY EXPRESSED CONCERNS RELATED TO THE IMPORTED FILL. AND THE OTHER WAS A LETTER OF SUPPORT, UH, FROM AN EXISTING TENANT. UM, AT THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING ON THE, ON JUNE 17TH, THERE WAS, UH, TESTIMONY, UH, TWO, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS AND PERSON EXPRESSED CONCERNS RELATED TO THE IMPORTED FILL. UH, TWO EXPRESSED CONCERNS FOR FLOODING ONSITE AND ON ADJACENT PROPERTIES. UH, TWO COMMENTS EXPRESSED CONCERN ABOUT THE RESULT OF THE FILL ANALYSIS PREPARED BY WES AND ONE PUBLIC COMMENT TO EXPRESS SUPPORT FOR THE ANNEXATION ON BEHALF OF THE EXISTING TENANTS. UM, AND THEN THIS EVENING, UM, AFTER PUBLICATION, UH, 255 PUBLIC COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED. UM, AND ALL OF THEM WERE, UH, EXPRESSING SUPPORT, UH, FOR THE ANNEXATION ON BEHALF OF, UM, THE LOCAL BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND SPECIFICALLY, UH, THE LOCAL, UM, MERCHANTS AND ARTISANS THAT, UH, TENANT THE SPACE. UM, STAFF IS ABLE TO MAKE THE, UH, REQUIRED APPLICABLE STANDARDS OF REVIEW. UH, I WON'T GO INTO GREAT DETAIL THERE. UM, UM, THEY'RE WRITTEN IN FULL IN THE, UH, THE ORDINANCE AND THE RESOLUTION OF APPLICATION, UM, ATTACHMENTS ONE AND ATTACHMENT TWO. BUT IN SUMMARY, THE BUSINESS PARK AND OPEN SPACE ZONES IMPLEMENT THE BUSINESS PARK AND OPEN SPACE GENERAL PLAN LAND USE DESIGNATIONS. THE SITE IS WITHIN THE UGB AND ITS OWN CHANGE, WILL NOT CHANGE THE DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL OF THE SITE. UM, FUTURE DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE, UM, WITH THE ZONING CODE AND CONSISTENCY WITH THE RIVER ACCESS AND ENHANCEMENT PLAN, AND WOULD BE REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH THE CITY'S ZERO NET FILL POLICY. UH, THE AMENDMENT AND CONNECTION TO MUNICIPAL SERVICES WOULD ALLOW THE PROPERTY OWNER TO LEASE ADDITIONAL SPACE AND SUPPORT THE, UH, CONVENIENCE AND GENERAL WELFARE OF THE, UH, PETALUMA EMERGENCE, AND ALSO EXPAND THE CITY'S TAX BASE AND WOULD, UM, ALLOW THE CITY TO APPLY FLOODPLAIN DEVELOPMENT POLICIES AND REGULATIONS, UH, WITHIN THEIR OWN JURISDICTION. UM, AND IN SUMMARY, UH, AS FAR AS THE, THE RESOLUTION OF APPLICATION, AGAIN, THERE'S NO REQUIRED FINDINGS FOR THAT ACTION. UM, HOWEVER, UH, THE SAME [01:00:01] GENERAL FIND THE SAME, UM, GENERAL PLAN FINDINGS ARE INCLUDED AND REITERATED IN THAT RESOLUTION. UM, FOR CQA, UH, THE PROJECT, UH, WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR A, UH, CLASS 19, UM, EXEMPTION. CATEGORICAL EXEMPTION, WHICH IS FOR ANNEXATIONS OF EXISTING FACILITIES AND, UM, LOTS, UM, FOR EXEMPT FACILITIES. UM, NO EXEMPT EXCEPTIONS TO THE EXEMPTION UNDER 1 5 3 0 0 0.2 WOULD APPLY. UM, AND THAT'S FURTHER REINFORCED BY THE, THE GENERAL PLAN EIR, UM, WOULD'VE ANALYZED IMPACTS, UH, FOR FUTURE GROWTH WITHIN THE EGB. AND, UM, WITH THAT STAFF IS, UH, RECOMMENDING COUNCIL CONSIDER THE ORDINANCE IN ATTACHMENT ONE TO APPROVE THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT, UH, FOR THE, UH, 5,400 OLD REDWOOD HIGHWAY PREZ ZONE. AND THEN ALSO CONSIDER A RESOLUTION RECOMMENDING CITY COUNCIL, UM, APPROVE THE RESOLUTION OF APPLICATION FOR ANNEXATION PROCEEDINGS WITH LCO. THANK YOU. AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. AND, UM, THE APPLICANT IS ALSO ON HAND AND HAS A PRESENTATION, UH, PREPARED REGARDING, UH, THE FUTURE INTENDED USES. WERE YOU INTENDING THE APPLICANT TO MAKE PRESENTATION NOW? YES. THEY'RE PREPARED TO DO SO NOW. I THINK THAT'S, ARE YOU RECOMMENDING WE, WE INVITE HIM UP? YEAH, I THINK WE SHOULD JUST, UM, RIGHT INTO THAT. IT IS THE APPLICANT ONE TO MAKE PRESENTATION, COMMENT. YEAH, WE STARTED EARLIER TODAY. THANK YOU. FIVE, WHAT MISSED? DO YOU HAVE THAT MIC OR SHOULD WE PROVIDE A DRIVE? WE STARTED AT 5:00 PM TODAY. TODAY. OH, OKAY. SORRY ABOUT THAT. GO AHEAD. YOU'RE FINE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, WHILE WE'RE WAITING, GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR HAVING US TONIGHT. ALL RIGHT, THERE WE GO. UM, SO I AM PAULINE BLOCK. I RUN THE DEVELOPMENT AND MARKETING TEAM FOR CORNERSTONE. WE ARE A LOCAL PROPERTY OWNER AND DEVELOPER HERE IN THE BAY AREA AND THE BARN, UM, BARN 5,400 IS A PROJECT OF OURS. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. UM, SO WE, BETWEEN THE REDWOOD BUSINESS PARK IN PETALUMA AND THE AIRPORT BUSINESS PARK IN SANTA ROSA, UM, WE OWN ABOUT 30 PROPERTIES, MOSTLY ALL, UM, I'M SO SORRY, OFFICE, INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE, R AND D, UM, A FEW RETAIL SITES. AND THEN WE HAVE A HANDFUL OF, UM, LAND AND DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS AND THOSE ARE REALLY MY FOCUS AND UM, A FEW KIND OF SPECIAL PROJECTS. SO THE BARN IS ONE OF THOSE. UM, AND UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO WE JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU KIND OF WHAT'S GOING ON THERE. NOW, SINCE EVERYONE MIGHT NOT BE FAMILIAR, WE HOPE YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO COME TO ONE OF OUR EVENTS AND VISIT OUR ARTISANS, BUT IF NOT, UM, FEED SONOMA IS ONE OF OUR LARGEST TENANTS. THEY CONGREGATE, THEY'RE ACTUALLY A CO-OP NOW AND THEY CONGREGATE, UM, LOCAL FARMER PRODUCE AND THEY SELL IT. THEY HAVE A WEEKLY PRODUCE BOX FOR CONSUMERS AND THEY ALSO WORK DIRECTLY WITH RESTAURANTS IN OUR AREA. UM, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. HARMONY FARMS, THEY HAVE THEIR SECOND LOCATION. THEY ARE A GARDEN, UM, SUPPLY AND PLANT STORE AND THEY HAVE THEIR FIRST LOCATION IN SEBASTOPOL, WHICH HAS BEEN VERY, UM, SUCCESSFUL FOR THEM. AND SO THEY OPENED A SECOND LOCATION AT THE BARN, UM, A FEW YEAR, MAYBE THREE YEARS AGO. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. RETROGRADE COFFEE ROASTERS. THEY ROAST THEIR COFFEE ON SITE. THEY ARE A WONDERFUL TENANT AND THEY ARE LOOKING TO OPEN A CAFE ON SITE, A WALKUP CAFE, UM, WHICH IS IN AN EXISTING SPACE. AND THIS CONNECTION WOULD REALLY BENEFIT THEM AS THEY CAN'T GET THEIR ENVIRONMENTAL, UM, HEALTH SIGN OFF UNTIL THEY'RE CONNECTED TO CITY UTILITIES. SO THEY WOULD BE ONE OF THE TENANTS THAT'S VERY, UM, EAGER FOR THIS. UM, AND THEY HAVE A REALLY GOOD COMMUNITY IN SEBASTOPOL AND WE'RE HOPING THEY WOULD ALSO BRING THAT HERE. WE KNOW THEY HAVE A LOT OF INTEREST FROM CLIENTS THAT ARE EXCITED FOR PETALUMA. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. AND THEN IN THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BARN, THERE ARE MULTIPLE TENANTS WITHIN A LARGE SPACE. AND SO WE HAVE A SELECTION OF FINE ARTISTS AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE SOME MORE RETAIL FOCUSED ARTISTS. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. I THINK I'LL SHOW SOME OF THEM. UM, AND SO THOSE ARE WHERE WE HAVE OUR SMALLER STUDIOS. SO THEY'RE AFFORDABLE BY DESIGN, ESSENTIALLY THEY CAN, UM, SUPPORT AN ARTIST LOOKING TO REALLY MOVE FROM MAYBE THEIR HOME INTO A A FACILITY. [01:05:01] AND THEN WE'VE HAD ARTISTS FROM HERE ALSO MOVE ON TO THEN OPEN A LARGER STORE, UM, ELSEWHERE. UM, SO IT'S SOMEWHAT OF AN INCUBATOR, BUT SOME OF THEM ALSO STICK AROUND. SO KICK WHEEL IS ONE OF OUR OLDEST TENANTS THERE. THEY'RE A CERAMIC STUDIO. AND UM, AND THEN WE HAVE A BUNCH OF OTHER SMALL STUDIOS. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. AND WE ALSO HOST A LOT OF THE ARTISANS ACTUALLY HOST THEIR OWN, UM, SMALLER KIND OF WORKSHOPS AND EVENTS, WHICH IS GREAT FOR THE COMMUNITY, BUT WE ALSO HAVE FREE POP-UP EVENTS USUALLY ONCE A MONTH DURING THE SUMMER. WE ALSO HAVE SOME COMING UP FOR THIS WINTER THAT ARE, UM, SMALLER SCALE IN OUR INDOOR SPACE. UM, AND THOSE ARE ALWAYS, UM, VERY HIGHLY ATTENDED AND PEOPLE HAVE A LOT OF FUN. UM, THERE'S SOME PICTURES OF SOME PAST EVENTS UP THERE. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO OUR VISION IS REALLY TO GET RETROGRADE, UM, TO BE ABLE TO OPEN ON SITE IN THE EXISTING KIND OF SHED. YOU SEE, UM, WE'D LOVE TO EXPAND THE OUTDOOR MARKETS. UM, WE HAVE TWO OPEN AIR SHEDS THAT WE REALLY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO ACTIVATE. UM, AND SO WE FEEL THAT THAT WOULD BE A REALLY NICE OUTDOOR SPACE. UM, WE'D LOVE TO ADD SOME SCULPTURE GARDENS. WE DRAW INSPIRATION FROM ALL OVER, BUT KIND OF WHAT YOU SEE SOMETIMES GOING NORTH ON 1 0 1, YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF BEAUTIFUL SCULPTURES FROM THE HIGHWAY. WE'D LOVE TO ADD THAT BEAUTY, UM, TO OLD REDWOOD. UM, WE HAVE THE NORTH BAY CHILDREN'S CENTER IS ACTUALLY ANOTHER CLIENT ON SITE. THEY HAVE JUST THEIR OFFICE SPACE, UM, BUT THEY DO TEACHING GARDENS ON SCHOOL SITES AND THEY'VE SHOWN AN INTEREST IN MAYBE DOING A TEACHING GARDEN ON SITE TO SHOW TEACHERS HOW TO EDUCATE STUDENTS AND ALSO HAVE FAMILIES COME OUT TO LEARN HOW TO GROW THEIR OWN, UM, FOOD AT HOME. AND THEN KIND OF, UM, FOOD TRUCK POPUPS. THOSE ARE USUALLY AT OUR MARKETS. SO THAT'S THE VISION OF WHAT WE REALLY WANNA EXPAND INTO. UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO THERE ARE A FEW IMPROVEMENTS FOLLOWING ANNEXATION THAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO, WHICH INCLUDES, UM, ABANDONING THE EXISTING SEPTIC SYSTEM, OBVIOUSLY CONNECTING TO, UM, CITY UTILITIES, UM, SOME MINOR TI IMPROVEMENTS. UM, AND THEN IT, IF THERE'S ANY ACCESSIBILITY OR PARKING UPGRADES AND THEN LANDSCAPING. UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. I THINK THAT MIGHT BE THE END. YEAH. UM, SO THAT'S AN OVERVIEW. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. I ALSO JUST WANNA CONCLUDE BY HIGHLIGHTING AN ARTICLE THAT CAME OUT THIS WEEKEND ACTUALLY IN THE ARGUS COURIER. NOT SURE IF YOU HAD A CHANCE TO SEE IT. IT WAS ABOUT ONE OF OUR CLIENTS, GEO BENEDETTI. HE HAS THE BUSINESS FOR THE LOVE OF COMICS. HE HOSTS AFTERSCHOOL WORKSHOPS FOR STUDENTS AND DOES SEASONAL CAMPS. UM, AND HE, IT'S REALLY GREAT IF YOU HAVE A FEW MINUTES TO GO READ IT. IT TELLS HIS STORY ABOUT KIND OF HOW HE GOT TO WHERE HE IS, BUT HE'S ALWAYS BEEN IN PUBLIC SPACES, UM, AND ON SCHOOL CAMPUSES. AND HE FINALLY FOUND A SPACE AT THE BARN, UM, ACTUALLY THIS PAST SUMMER AND MOVED IN. AND I WANTED TO READ SOMETHING THAT HE SAID IN THAT ARTICLE, 'CAUSE IT JUST IS ENCAPSULATES PERFECTLY KIND OF OUR VISION. HE SAYS, YOU CAN'T SUPPORT A THING IF YOU DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO DO IT. AND I FINALLY HAVE MY OWN SPACE TO TEACH, TO WORK, TO HAVE OPEN OFFICE HOURS TO MAKE ART, IT'S HARD TO OVERESTIMATE THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING A SPACE TO DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO. SO IT'S BEEN REALLY GREAT HAVING A HOME, AND THAT IS REALLY WHY WE PUT SO MUCH ENERGY INTO THE BARN. UM, WE HAVE OUR BREAD AND BUTTER PROPERTIES, BUT THIS IS REALLY A PROJECT FOR THE HEART. WE BELIEVE IN ARTISTS IN OUR COMMUNITIES, AND WE FEEL IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO SUPPORT THEM AND KEEP THEM HERE. UM, IT CREATES VIBRANCY NOT ONLY FOR THE COMMUNITY OF PETALUMA, BUT FOR SONOMA COUNTY AND THE GREATER NORTH BAY. SO REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TONIGHT AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND THANK YOU FOR STAFF FOR THE GREAT PRESENTATION. I'M SURE THERE ARE GONNA BE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS WHEN WE BRING IT BACK UP HERE. BEFORE WE DO THAT, UM, I JUST WANT TO, UM, MAKE A LITTLE COMMENT TO THE, THE AUDIENCE I SEE ARRIVING, UM, HELPING YOU . UM, WE, WE, UH, STARTED OUR MEETING EARLY TONIGHT AT FIVE O'CLOCK BECAUSE OF THE, THE CONTENT WE HAD TO COVER LATER IN THE EVENING. AND SO WE HAVE PASSED THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, AND SO THAT, THAT IS OVER FOR THE EVENING. AND NOW WE'RE ON ITEM, UH, EIGHT OF OUR AGENDA HEADED DOWN THIS DIRECTION. SO, UM, THERE YOU GO. UM, SORRY YOU DIDN'T, UH, HEAR ABOUT IT SOONER. I DO APOLOGIZE FOR THAT AND GETTING YOU OUT ON A NIGHT AND MAYBE IT WOULD'VE BEEN EASIER TO BE AT HOME. APOLOGIZE. UM, AND NOW BRING IT BACK TO COUNSEL. UM, DOES ZACH ME UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? UH, AS I INDICATED PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD WAS AT FIVE O'CLOCK WHEN WE OPENED. THAT PERIOD HAS PASSED. THERE WILL BE NO UNDERSTOOD GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT FROM THIS POINT FORWARD. BRING IT BACK TO COUNSEL FOR ANY QUESTIONS. UH, DOES ANYONE HAVE A QUESTION? AND COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY. THANK YOU. SO I HAD, I HAD, UH, SUBMITTED, UM, SOME QUESTIONS, UM, FROM RICK, WHO'S I BELIEVE GONNA SPEAK IN A SECOND, AND, UM, AND FROM COUNTY WATER AGENCY STAFF. AND WE DID GET A RESPONSE BACK, UM, THIS AFTERNOON TO THE FIRST HALF OF THE QUESTION, BUT NOT TO THE SECOND HALF. AND I WAS WONDERING, [01:10:01] UH, I'LL, I'LL READ THE SECOND QUESTION 'CAUSE THE COUNCIL HASN'T SEEN IT. UM, AND THIS IS FROM, UH, COUNTY WATER AGENCY STAFF WHO DEALS WITH, UH, ZONE TWO WAY AND FLOOD FLOOD ISSUES. IT SAYS, IT SEEMS THAT HAVING AN OPEN PARCEL COULD ALLOW FOR DE DETENTION AND REDUCTION OF DOWNSTREAM FLOOD ELEVATIONS. IF YOU COULD SPEND SOME TIME IRONING OUT THE DETAILS OF HOW WATER GETS INTO AND OUT OF THE BASIN AND COME UP WITH A DESIGN THAT DOESN'T SHOW THE FLOOD INCREASES AS WEST'S MEMORANDUM INDICATES. SO I, I WAS WONDERING IF, IF, IF THERE, IF THERE'S A RESPONSE TO THAT PART OF THE QUESTION. UH, YES. COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY, UM, THE REVISED FILM, UH, FILM MEMO AND I'LL, UM, SUMMARIZE WHAT WE, UM, UH, PARAPHRASE OUR RESPONSE. BUT WE ALSO HAVE, UM, GINA BENEDETTI, UH, NIK IN ATTENDANCE, UH, REPRESENTING PUBLIC WORKS FOR THE CITY. UM, BUT THE REVISED FILL ANALYSIS DID, UM, UH, RESPOND TO THAT SECOND HALF OF THE QUESTION THROUGH ITS, UM, SCENARIO, UH, B SCENARIO TWO, UM, WHICH, UM, SHOWS THE, UH, THE 90% REMOVAL. AND SO THAT WAS, UM, THAT WAS THAT ALTERNATIVE, UH, I, I I SCENARIO THAT I, I TOOK THAT AS KIND OF A, A STEP IN THE DIRECTION, BUT NOT TAKING IT AS FAR AS COUNTY WATER AGENCY STAFF HAD HAD SUGGESTED. WE TRY TO TAKE IT TO SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING MORE CREATIVE THAT CAN BE DONE HERE. MM-HMM. , I GUESS, I MEAN, PARDON MY SIMPLE SIMPLISTIC WAY OF LOOKING AT THIS. I, I LOOK AT PETALUMA AS BEING AT THE BOTTOM OF THE BATHTUB, AND IF YOU HAVE TWO INCHES OF WATER IN THE BOTTOM OF THE BATHTUB AND YOU PUT A BRICK IN IT, THE TOP OF THE BRICK WILL BE NICE AND DRY AT THE WATER LEVEL'S GONNA GO UP EVERYWHERE ELSE. SO THAT'S KIND OF MY SIMPL, AND I KNOW THERE'S EXCEPTIONS TO THAT AND THIS, THERE'S, THIS APPEARS TO BE ONE OF THOSE, BUT I THINK IT ALSO HAS THE POTENTIAL OF BEING SOMETHING THAT'S INDIVIDUALLY LESS THAN SIGNIFICANT, BUT CUMULATIVELY WITH OTHER THINGS THAT COULD BE EXTREMELY SIGNIFICANT. UM, WE'VE, THIS IS SEVEN ACRE FEET OF FILL, UM, IN THE FLOODPLAIN. UM, WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY TRYING TO CREATE 10 AC 10 ACRE FEET OF FLOODPLAIN REDUCTION OR OF, OF, OF, YOU KNOW, IN OUR, UM, SOME OF OUR PROJECTS. SO IT'S, IT'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT AND I'M, I'M JUST WONDERING IF THIS IS THE ABSOLUTE BEST THAT CAN BE DONE WITH IT, OR IF THIS WAS JUST KIND OF A PRO FORMA RESPONSE. SO YOU, YOU, YOU CAN RESPOND TO THAT IF YOU WANT TO. THAT'S JUST MY OBSERVATION. YEAH, NO, I THINK IT, YEAH, THAT'S A, A VALID, UH, QUESTION. AND I THINK THE FLOOD, UM, WEST DID LOOK AT, UM, A LOT OF DIFFERENT SCENARIOS AND A LOT OF DIFFERENT POSSIBILITIES. I THINK THIS WAS, UH, THIS SECOND SCENARIO WITH THE 90% REMOVAL WHERE THEY LEAVE THAT LEADING EDGE TO SORT OF SIMULATE SOME OF THAT, UM, DIRECTION OF THE, OF THE RUNOFF THAT WAS WHAT THEY LANDED ON AS THE, UH, THE BEST ALTERNATIVE, UM, WHERE THERE'S EITHER IT'S LEFT IN PLACE OR IT'S 100% REMOVED. UM, I CAN, I CAN LET GINA KIND OF FILL, WELL, LET, LEMME JUST MAKE ONE OBSERV OBSERV THE GAPS THERE, BUT BEFORE GINA TELLS ME WHY I'M MISSING SOMETHING HERE. UM, I THINK SCENARIO TWO DOES LOOK BETTER THAN SCENARIO ONE. THE, UM, MAXIMUM INCREASE IN YOU ARE OFFSITE GOES FROM, UH, IT WAS IN SCENARIO ONE, IT WAS, I THINK IT WAS UP TO 0.6, 0.06 INCHES, WHICH IS NOT A LOT, BUT IT GOES, THE MAXIMUM INCREASE UNDER SCENARIO TWO IS 0.03 INCHES AND YOU STILL HAVE A HALF A FOOT IMPROVEMENT ON A PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THE SITE. SO, UH, I, I DON'T, I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE A NET WIND TO HAVE THE SCENARIO TWO ACTUALLY DONE AS OPPOSED TO SCENARIO ONE. SO IT, I MEAN, IT, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S A POSITIVE THING. I, BUT TELL ME WHAT, WHAT I'M MISSING HERE. YEAH, I, I THINK THAT'S, UM, HOW THE EXHIBIT SHOWS. AND ALSO, UH, TO THE, TO THAT EXHIBIT THAT YOU'RE REFERENCING, THERE'S ALSO LESS, UH, ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE CREEK, UM, WHICH WAS DIRECTLY RESPONDING TO THE, THAT WATER AGENCY COMMENT. BUT I'LL LET GINA, UM, FILL IN SOME MORE OF THE DETAILS ON THE DIFFERENT, UH, SCENARIOS THAT WERE, UH, WERE POSSIBLE. THANKS, MIKE. THANKS, COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY. UM, EXCUSE ME. THEY'RE GREAT COMMENTS AND, AND IT, IT IS, UM, IT IS NOT AN EASY CALL TO MAKE LOOKING AT SCENARIOS ONE AND TWO, UH, AND SAYING, OH, WELL, THERE'S A LITTLE LESS NEGATIVE IMPACT IN SCENARIO TWO THAN IN ONE. BUT OUR CONSULTANT AND I AGREED THAT UNLESS YOU COULD DEMONSTRATE AN OVERALL IMPROVEMENT TO THE, THE AREA, UM, IT, IT DIDN'T FEEL THAT, IT DIDN'T FEEL THAT IT WAS WARRANTING ANY CHANGE. UM, I WILL SAY THAT THERE ARE OTHER PROJECTS IN, IN [01:15:01] THE AREA, UM, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW AND TRYING TO FIND SOME SOLUTIONS THAT WILL OFFER MORE BENEFIT TO MORE PROPERTIES AND WE THINK WE CAN DO THAT. UM, THIS FELT LIKE, UM, VERY MINUSCULE IMPROVEMENT TO SOME PROPERTIES AND, UH, AS MUCH, UM, AS MUCH, UM, NEGATIVE IMPACT TO OTHERS THAT IT, IT JUST DIDN'T SEEM TO WARRANT IT AND, AND WE THINK WE CAN DO BETTER. UM, I, I BELIEVE IN THE STAFF REPORT, THE, AT THE VERY END I MENTIONED THAT WE'RE LOOKING INTO, UM, A, UM, A FEASIBILITY STUDY WORKING WITH THE, THE, UM, THE POND AT THE BUSINESS PARK AND, UM, PARTNERING THAT WITH SOME, UH, SOME OTHER FEATURES CLOSER TO THE RIVER THAT WE THINK WILL BE MORE IMPACTFUL AND WILL, UM, SLOW FLOWS AND DIMINISH FLOWS AND FLOOD ELEVATIONS, UM, TO A GREATER DEGREE. SO THIS IS ALL, YOU KNOW, ALL ON A VERY FINE EDGE. THERE'S NO REAL CLEAR, AH, THAT'S THE PERFECT ANSWER HERE. WE DON'T HAVE IT YET, BUT WE'RE WORKING ON IT. AND WITH OUR NEW MODELS, WE'RE, WE ARE FINDING THE COMPLEXITIES THAT WE'RE CREATING ARE, ARE VERY CHALLENGING WITH THE, THE, THE LEVEL OF DETAIL WE HAVE NOW WHERE WE CAN LOOK AT FLOWS AND VELOCITIES AND, AND ACTUALLY SEE THE PATH OF THE WATER AND HOW IT'S DIVERTED. AND THIS WAS AN AMAZING CASE IN POINT WHERE, UH, IT WAS VERY COUNTERINTUITIVE THAT YOU COULD INCREASE, UH, WATER DEPTHS IN SOME AREAS AND DECREASE IN OTHERS. AND THEY WEREN'T THE AREAS WE EXPECTED, AND IT'S BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE WATER FLOWED AROUND AROUND THIS AREA OF FILL. UM, SO IT, IT IS CHALLENGING, BUT I THINK, I THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO SOME MORE WORK WITH THIS, AND I THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO MORE ON OTHER PARCELS. IS, IS THERE, IS THERE AN ALTERNATIVE? I I, IT LOOKS LIKE THE, THE PARCEL LINE RUNS THROUGH THE FILL AREA, BUT NOT, NOT ALL OF IT IS IN, ON THE SEPARATE PARCEL. IS THAT ACCURATE? I MEAN, I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S SOME COMPROMISE HERE THAT IT KEEPS OPEN THE POSSIBILITY OF REMOVING THAT FILL IN THE FUTURE IF, IF THIS PROPERTY IS ANNEXED AND, UM, AND IT CAN BE PAIRED UP WITH OTHER THINGS THAT MAKE SENSE, LIKE THE REDWOOD BUSINESS PARK PONDS. MM-HMM. AND, AND I, I, I'M SURE THIS HASN'T BEEN MODELED IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT AT THIS POINT THERE. NO, NOT THAT YOU'RE NOT THAT FAR LONG. WE'RE JUST GETTING READY TO, YEAH. YEAH. GREAT. AND, AND I, I'D ALSO MENTION, I I DON'T KNOW WHERE THOSE, WHERE THOSE PROPERTY LINES FALL EXACTLY. 'CAUSE I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME AND I DON'T HAVE IT MEMORIZED. SO MIKE, IF YOU HAVE THAT GRAPHIC, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. BUT BEFORE WE GO THERE, I JUST WANTED TO ALSO COMMENT THAT WE, NOW THAT WE HAVE THE FLOOD MAPPING, WE'RE STARTING THE FEMA PROCESS. UM, IT'LL BE A WHILE BEFORE WE GET FULL FEMA APPROVAL, BUT THEY HAVE STARTED REVIEW ALREADY NOW ON OUR MAPPING. AND, UM, IN THE MEANTIME WITH OUR GENERAL PLAN UPDATE, WE, UH, WE NOW HAVE, UM, WE NOW HAVE THE, THE DIRECTION UNDERSTAND THAT WE NEED TO DEVELOP A, UM, A FLOOD ADAPTATION PLAN, AN ASSESSMENT, AND A PLAN. WE ARE GETTING STARTED ON, ON THAT INITIATIVE. AND THAT PARTICULAR PLAN, VERY PURPOSEFULLY IS INTENDED TO IDENTIFY PROJECTS AND HELP US PRIORITIZE PROJECTS IN OUR, IN AND AROUND OUR FLOODPLAINS FOR, FOR, UM, MINIMIZING RISK AND, UH, AND MINIMIZING FLOOD IMPACTS. AND SO I'M VERY EXCITED TO SEE THAT STUDY, UH, STARTING TO GET OFF THE GROUND. WE'RE ROUTING, UH, AN AGREEMENT SOON FOR, FOR, UH, EXECUTING THAT CONSULTANT AGREEMENT. SO WE'RE, WE'RE MAKING GREAT STRIDES. WE DIDN'T MOVE, HAVEN'T MOVED, HAVEN'T QUITE BEEN THERE FAST ENOUGH TO, TO, UM, TO SAY EXACTLY WHERE THIS FALLS IN THE GREATER SCHEME OF THINGS, BUT I THINK NOT VERY HIGH. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL? UH, COUNCIL MEMBER POKAY? YEAH, HE SAID, I'M NOT SURE WITH THE, WITH THE, UM, UM, GETTING AWAY FROM, FROM, UH, REMOVING THE FILL AND, AND GOING TO SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE IDEAS THAT WERE EXPRESSED BY THE FIRST SPEAKER AND, AND BY, UH, GINA, UH, I WONDER, I'M NOT SURE WHO'S GONNA PAY FOR THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THIS DIFFERENT APPROACH. DO WE KNOW THAT? WELL, [01:20:02] I I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD QUESTION. IF, UM, FILL REMOVAL IS REQUEST REQUIRED BY THE CITY, BY A CONDITION, UH, WHO IS RESPONSIBLE? IS THAT THE QUESTION? NO, NOT, NOT. I THOUGHT, I THINK I, I THOUGHT THAT, UM, GINA WAS TALKING ABOUT DOING, UH, SOMETHING, UH, IN A DIFFERENT POINT THAT COULD HELP, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, RETENTION, UH, POND INCREASE OF SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE, IN THE BUSINESS PARK. AND I WAS WONDERING IF, IF THAT WERE, WHO WOULD PAY FOR THAT? UM, AND, AND LET'S HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF DIALOGUE. I THINK WE, WE'VE GOT THAT SOME COUNCIL MEMBER HEALEY. I WAS JUST GONNA, I WAS JUST GONNA OFFER TO RESPOND TO COUNCILMEMBER POST THE CASE QUESTION IF YOU WANT. PLEASE. YEAH. SO, UM, THE OWNER OF THE, UM, DETENTION PONDS FACING 1 0 1, UM, ON NEXT TO REDWOOD BUSINESS PARK IS WILLING TO COOPERATE WITH THE CITY IF WE WANNA TURN THOSE FROM PASSIVE, UM, DETENTION PONDS THAT BECAUSE OF THE ADOBE SOIL, BASICALLY FILL UP IN THE FIRST RAINSTORM OF THE SEASON AND, AND DON'T DO ANY GOOD AFTER THAT INTO MORE ACTIVELY MANAGED AND DEEPER POND THAT WOULD HAVE HIGHER CAPACITY AND COULD BE EMPTIED OUT TO HAVE SPARE CAPACITY FOR THE NEXT STORM. SO THAT'S WHAT, WHAT, UM, MS. BENEDETTI NIK WAS REFERRING TO IN TERMS OF BEING, BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, HALF A MILE AWAY FROM, FROM THE SITE. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER SCHIBS, JUST ONE QUESTION I ASKED BEFORE I DIDN'T QUITE SURE OF A CLEAR ANSWER IS, UM, IF WE LEAVE IT AS IS AND CONTINUE THE ANNEXATION WITH THE, UH, SOIL IN PLACE, THEN DOES THAT BECOME THE ZERO MARK, THE NET ZERO MARK FOR FUTURE NET FILL? OR, OR IS THE, OR DOES IT ALWAYS GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL, WHAT IT WAS BEFORE THAT FILL, UH, TO DEFER TO PUBLIC WORKS ON THIS ONE? THANKS, . , THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. SO, UM, MY PROFESSIONAL JUDGMENT ON THAT WOULD BE THAT SINCE THIS WAS A, UM, LEGALLY PERMITTED FILL, THAT IT WOULD BE NOW CONSIDERED THE BASELINE, AND THAT FROM THIS POINT FORWARD ZERO NET WOULD BE FROM WHAT IS EXISTING RIGHT NOW. SO THAT MEANS, UM, IT COULD NOT BE REMOVED IN THE FUTURE IF WE SO WISHED BECAUSE IT'S NOW AT NET NET ZERO, SO YOU CAN'T REMOVE IT BECAUSE OF THAT. IT WOULD, IT WOULD HAVE TO STAY, IT WOULD HAVE TO STAY SOMEWHERE ON SITE. OKAY. JUST WANNA CLEAR WHAT THE CONSEQUENCES ARE DOWN THE ROAD HERE FOR A NET ZERO POLICY FOR THIS, UH, UH, AS WE MOVE FORWARD. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. I CAN SEE A LITTLE UNSETTLEMENT IN, IN THIS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE IT TO GEN TO, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM AND ASK IF WE RECEIVED ANY, UM, CARDS, LETTERS, EMAILS, UH, ON THIS TOPIC. AND THEN TO PROCEED TO THE MESSAGING WE DID, WE RECEIVED, UH, OVER 250, I THINK LAST COUNT WAS 257. UM, AND I WILL READ THE MESSAGING NOW. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ATTENDING IN PERSON SHOULD BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE. SO SPEAKERS ARE REMINDED TO BE RESPECTFUL IN THEIR COMMENTS. AND THAT THIS MEETING IS BEING TRANSLATED. PLEASE PAUSE BETWEEN SENTENCES FOR TRANSLATION AND THE TIMER BEHIND THE DICE WILL BE RESET FOR EACH SPEAKER. I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS YET FOR THIS ITEM HERE. WE, ONE MORE. IS IT TIME? YES. OKAY. FOR THE CARD OR SPEED. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, RICK SVE, FORMER CHAIR OF, UH, ZONE TWO A AND RECENTLY RETIRED FROM MARIN LKO. I DON'T HAVE A TRANSMITTAL FROM THE WATER AGENCY, UH, BUT WHAT, WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS AS OF 1213, UH, I DID NOT TALK DIRECTLY TO ON FALLEN, BUT THE OTHER PRINCIPAL ENGINEER, AND HE SAID THAT THE, UH, SUMMARY MEMO DID NOT SATISFY THEIR QUESTIONS. I CAN'T TELL YOU WHY, UH, I DON'T HAVE A TRANSMITTAL. I AM A LITTLE CONCERNED. I HEAR THE APPLICANT WORK WITH WEST AND, YOU KNOW, STEP, BUT NOBODY WORKED IN COLLABORATION WITH THE WATER AGENCY. THAT'S JUST BAD FORM ALL THESE PRO, YOU KNOW, REDWOOD BUSINESS. ANYTHING WE DO HAS TO BE IN COLLABORATION. SO THEY SHOULD ALWAYS BE IN THE LOOP TO COMMENT JUST FOR FORM. I KNOW I DID SAY THE LAST TIME, AND I'M NOT HEARING IT AGAIN HERE WITH, THERE'S A LOT OF TALK ABOUT HOW MUCH DETENTION AND VALUE THERE IS TO THE WEST, WHETHER [01:25:01] IT'S A REDWOOD BUSINESS PARK, OR IT SAYS HERE, UH, NEAR THE PUMPKIN PATCH THAT'S ALL TO THE WEST. BUT I PUT A GREAT DEAL OF EMPHASIS THAT WE CAN'T LOSE SIGHT OF THE FACT THAT THE OVERBANK THERE ENDS UP ON REDWOOD DRIVE, GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN MCDOWELL TO CORONA AND FLOOD. AND I, THAT SEEMS TO BE OFF THE RADAR SCREEN. NOBODY'S REMEMBERING TO CONSIDER THAT FACTOR IN THIS. UH, I'M, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HERE TO ASSIST THE CITY. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO INTERVENE, OR, YOU KNOW, YOU ALL GOTTA DO WHAT YOU GOTTA DO. BUT IF YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE, UH, YOU KNOW, DETENTION RETENTION PROJECTS, THEN I'D RECOMMEND THAT THE ITEM BE TABLED. AT LEAST GET SOME SORT OF CONFIRMATION FROM THE WATER AGENCY ENGINEERS BEFORE YOU TAKE ACTION ON IT. AND I, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING MORE I COULD GIVE YOU, SO I DON'T WANT TO TAKE ANY MORE OF YOUR TIME. I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. CAN I, YOU JUST A FOLLOW UP ONE AND, UH, ACTUALLY, UH, MR. VE I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. I'M SORRY. YEAH. AND, AND COULD YOU JUST CLARIFY AND MAYBE DRILL DOWN A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT, WHAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING IS THE WATER AGENCY STAFF WAS LOOKING FOR? I ONLY, I CAN ONLY SAY THAT JUDGING BY WHAT AARON FULTON FIRST WROTE, THAT THEY DON'T FEEL IT'S SAT, AND THIS COULD BE A MISINTERPRETATION BETWEEN THE PARTIES OR A MISUNDERSTANDING. I DON'T KNOW. I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THEM, BUT, AND I COULDN'T GET TO AARON FULTON, BUT CARLOS DID CONFIRM THAT, THAT BETWEEN THE TWO OF 'EM, THE NEWER UPDATE DID NOT ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS. I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THEM. AND I'M SORRY, I DON'T HAVE SOMETHING MORE DETAILED I COULD GIVE YOU, BUT I DID CONFIRM THAT. UH, SO I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTIONS, MAYOR MCDONALD, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. AND THAT CLOSES, UM, PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE ISSUE FOR THE NIGHT. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR TO, UM, COMMENT ON THIS SINCE, UH, WHETHER THE CITY IS SATISFIED, THEY'VE, UH, ADEQUATELY, UM, INVESTIGATED AND COLLABORATED WITH SOME WITH WATER AGENCY. AND, UH, ANY COMMENT YOU HAVE REGARDING THE COR CORONA OVER BANKS AS WELL TO OUR STUDIES COVER ALL THESE ISSUES. THANKS. SO FOR THE CORONA OVER BANKS, IF, UM, MY COLLEAGUE PAM TUFT IS ONE OF OUR ZOOM PANELISTS, SHE PROBABLY CAN SPEAK TO THAT MORE ACCURATELY THAN I CAN. UM, WITH REGARD TO COORDINATION WITH SONOMA WATER, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, WE COORDINATE WITH SONOMA WATER A LOT, AND CARLOS NEVER CALLED AND SAID, GEE, I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THIS. I CAN'T SAY THAT WE ROUTED THIS FOR COMMENT TO SONOMA WATER. SO, UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THAT IS A FAIR, THAT IS A FAIR CRITICISM. UM, UH, AGAIN, WE WORK WITH HIM QUITE A BIT AND I'M HAPPY TO CHAT WITH HIM AND SEE WHERE HIS CONCERNS LIE. UM, I READ THE SAME NOTE THAT MR. VE REFERENCED, AND I DIDN'T HEAR, UM, I DIDN'T HEAR A, UM, AN ALARMING RED FLAG THERE. I HEARD THAT, YOU KNOW, GEE, THEY WOULD LOVE TO HAVE PROBABLY TALKED TO OUR CONSULTANT AND, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, PLAYED WITH IT AND TALKED THROUGH IT A LITTLE BIT WITH THEM. BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT, THAT THE DISPUTE IS OVER THE CONCLUSIONS OF THE REPORT. OKAY. THANK YOU. LET ME ASK, UM, ONE OTHER QUESTION MORE BROADLY. IS THE FILL ON THE UNDEVELOPED AREA, THERE'S NO STRUCTURE ON THE FILL, RIGHT? IT'S IN, IN THE TRIANGULAR SPACE. IS THAT THE PART OF CORRECT. PROPERTY TIME? THANK YOU. THAT'LL HELP INFORM MY COMMENTS. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT, UM, WHEN, WHEN WE RECEIVED RECEIVED THE PROPOSAL FOR PREZONING, FOR ANNEXATION AND THE REQUEST FOR ANNEXATION, THERE'S NO DEVELOPMENT PROPOSED AS PART OF THAT DISCRETIONARY ACTIVITY. AND SO THEREFORE, UH, HAD WE HAD DEVELOPMENT, WE WOULD'VE REFERRED TO SONOMA COUNTY WATER AGENCY, BUT LACKING ANY DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL, JUST LOOKING AT THAT ACCEPTANCE OF THE LAND INTO THE CITY, WE DIDN'T REFER FOR THAT REASON. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY. YEAH, IT, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THIS IS OUR ONE BITE AT THE APPLE ON THIS. AND, UM, AND IF WE ACT IN HASTE, WE MAY REGRET IT DOWN THE ROAD. I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UM, THE COUNCIL CONTINUE THIS ONE MORE TIME AND GIVE DIRECTION TO, UM, WES TO ACTUALLY REACH OUT TO COUNTY WATER AGENCY STAFF AND MAKE SURE THEIR ISSUES ARE BEING ADDRESSED. AND, UM, I DON'T, IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE A LENGTHY DELAY, BUT FOR, FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. ALL RIGHT. I THINK, UM, WE ARE NOW IN THE COUNCIL [01:30:01] COMMENT PERIOD, UNLESS STAFF HAS SOMETHING TO CONTRIBUTE AT THIS POINT. DID, DID YOU WANT, UH, A RESPONSE REGARDING THE CORONA OVER BANK AND THE WATER FLOW DIRECTION? YES. THANK YOU. PAM, CAN YOU UNMUTE? ARE YOU ON THE CALL? I BELIEVE SHE, YES, I AM. OKAY. UM, THE REFERENCE MR. VE WAS, UM, TALKING ABOUT WAS THE FACT THAT WATER, UH, FLOWS OUT OF WILLOWBROOK AND GOES BEHIND REDWOOD BUSINESS PARK ONE AND TWO, UM, ALONG THE RAILROAD AND TRAVELS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO CORONA. UM, AND, UH, HITS THE, UH, OPEN GULLY OR OPEN SWALE THAT, UH, THAT RUNS, UM, TOWARDS THE RIVER ALONG CORONA. UM, AT THE SOUTH EDGE OF THE POSTAL FACILITY, UH, WHEN IT HITS MCDOWELL, IF ITS CAPACITY IS REACHED, IT SHEET FLOWS ACROSS MCDOWELL. AND, UM, MANY PEOPLE WILL REMEMBER THE FLOODS OF THE MID EIGHTIES, AND AGAIN, IN 2005, 2006 OVER THE HOLIDAY SEASON. UM, IT, UH, SHEET FLOWS DOWN MCDOWELL AND, AND THEN IMPACT THE TWO MOBILE HOME PARKS, YOUNGSTOWN AND PETALUMA STATES. UM, IT, UH, FURTHER TRAVELS ALONG CORONA AND ENDS UP, UH, THE BIG BOX CULVERT THAT CROSSES UNDER 1 0 1 AND DUMPS INTO THE RIVER JUST UPSTREAM OUT OF 2 72 AND A 78, UM, JUST UPSTREAM OF THE CORONA ROAD BRIDGE. UH, IT ALSO SHEET FLOWS ACROSS CORONA AT THAT POINT AND ENTERS THE BIG, UH, SWALE THAT CARRIES, UM, SURFACE DRAINAGE FROM THE MOBILE HOME PARKS AND THE FREEWAY, UH, THAT RUNS SOUTHWARD AND GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO WHERE THE DMV IS, WHERE IT JOINS CAPRI CREEK AND GOES UNDER THE FREEWAY AND, UM, FLOWS INTO THE RIVER JUST SOUTH OF THE FACTORY OUTLETS. UM, AND WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST IS LOOK AT THIS, UM, DRAINAGE COURSE ALL THE WAY FROM WILLOWBROOK TO SEE IF WE COULD CAPTURE AND HOLD IT. AND AT ONE POINT IN TIME, WE LOOKED AT A POSSIBILITY OF TAKING SOME OF THAT WATER, UM, FROM THIS SITE DIRECTLY, UM, WHICH IS AT THE EDGE OF THE URBAN URBAN LIMIT LINE OR THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY, AND GETTING IT UNDER THE RAILROAD TRACKS. UM, AND WE TALKED TO SEVERAL PROPERTY OWNERS ALONG ELI BOULEVARD, WHETHER THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SPRING PONDS, UH, SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SEE ALONG ADOBE ROAD, WHERE PEOPLE HAVE CAPTURED, UM, UH, THE WINTER RAINS AND THEN HOLD IT AND USE IT FOR IRRIGATION, UM, OR, UM, JUST PASTURE WATERING. UM, AND SO WE, WE HAD ONE, UH, OWNER WHO WAS VERY, VERY INTERESTED IN IT, UM, AND, UM, AND THAT, UH, WAS NOT PURSUED ANY OTHER, ANY FURTHER OTHER THAN, UH, AT STAFF LEVEL, UM, BRAINSTORMING. AND, UH, WE DIDN'T GET IT TO THE POINT WHERE WE ACTUALLY MODELED IT, BUT, UM, BUT WE, WE DID LOOK AT THE, THE, JUST THE GENERAL FEASIBILITY OF, OF DOING THAT. UH, THOSE PONDS WOULD BE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE MAP GRAPHIC THAT'S ATTACHED TO THE WEST REPORT, IT WOULD BE THE WHITE AREA THAT RECEIVES FLOODING, UM, OR HAS FLOODING FROM JUST SURFACE FLOW THAT FLOWS DOWN OFF OF THE, THE AGRICULTURAL AND OPEN, UM, RURAL AREAS, UM, EAST OF THE RAILROAD. UM, THAT'S WHERE WE HAD TALKED ABOUT DOING PONDS. UM, I BELIEVE THAT'S DESIGNATED COMMUNITY SEPARATOR, UM, OR HAS AN OVERLAY OF COMMUNITY SEPARATOR IN THE COUNTY GENERAL PLAN. BUT WE'VE, WE'VE LOOKED SEVERAL TIMES AT TRYING TO GET THAT REDUCED FLOW, UH, OR, OR GET THE, UH, OVERFLOW OF WILLOWBROOK REDUCED, UH, IN DEPTH BECAUSE WE DO HAVE WATER IN SOME OF THE INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS ON REDWOOD WAY, UM, AND, AND FURTHER DOWNSTREAM. YEP. DOES THAT HELP? YEAH. YEAH. THANKS. THAT'S PERFECT. MAYOR MCDONALD. APPRECIATE THE INPUT. MAYOR MCDONALD. SO THE PROPERTY THAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT, IT'S ON THE SOUTH END OF WHERE, UM, 54 5 IS, UH, POP THAT REPORT, THE STAFF REPORT UP IN THE, IN THE GRAPHIC NECESSARY. IS THAT THE SITE? WE WERE JUST OUT THERE. HUH? WE WERE OUT THERE. THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING . YEAH. WHICH IS AN OPPORTUNITY. YEAH, THAT'S IT. IT'S, IT STILL REMAINS AN OPPORTUNITY. AS, AS, UM, GINA, IT WAS MENTIONING, WE, WE ARE STARTING TO USE THE HEC RAS MODELS TO, TO DO MORE EXTENSIVE STUDIES, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID VERY, VERY SIMPLY WITH DENMAN REACH PHASES ONE, TWO, AND THREE DOWN, UH, AT INDUSTRIAL AVENUE IN CORONA, WHERE WE JUST KIND OF SHAVED, [01:35:01] UH, ON THE, ON THE XP SWIM MODEL, WE JUST SHAVED SOME DIRT OFF AND THEN RAN A MODEL TO SEE HOW, UM, UH, HOW MUCH REDUCTION OF THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION INTO THE BUILDINGS ON INDUSTRIAL WE COULD GET WITHOUT ANY INCREASE OF, OF FLOW IN THE HEAD THAT GOES UNDER THE CORONA ROAD BRIDGE. HECK, GRASS GIVES US MUCH MORE FLEXIBILITY AND MUCH MORE DETAIL, UM, TO, TO DO THESE BRAINSTORMS OF, UM, UM, WATCHING HOW THE WATER FLOWS, AS GINA WAS MENTIONING, AND THEN SAYING, WELL, IF WE SHAVED IT OFF HERE, COULD WE HOLD IT HERE FOR A WHILE AND, AND REDUCE THE PEAK FLOW SO THAT WE DON'T OVERWHELM THE, THE, THE DITCH ON CORONA. THERE'S, THERE'S A NUMBER OF SITES THROUGHOUT THE TOWN WHERE, WHERE WE WE'RE STARTING TO LOOK AT, WELL, IS THIS A POTENTIAL? BECAUSE THOSE INCREMENTAL REDUCTIONS OF DOWNSTREAM FLOWS IS WHAT'S GOING TO ALLOW US TO HOPEFULLY ADDRESS SEA LEVEL RISE AND, UH, THE INCREASED INTENSITY OF PRECIPITATION THAT WE'RE, WE'RE NOW, UM, LOOKING AT, UH, THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE LAST DECADE. AND THAT IS ANTICIPATED TO DO NOTHING BUT INCREASE. THANK YOU. JUST TO FOLLOW UP, SO IF THIS PROPERTY, SAY IF WE ANNEX THIS PROPERTY IN, BUT ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD HAPPEN ON THE PROPERTY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT. YES. AND THAT WOULD BE ADDRESSED AT THAT TIME DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. AND SO YOU COULD GO THROUGH THOSE MODELINGS AT THAT TIME AND DENY OR APPROVE, JUST WANNA BE CLARIFIED, RIGHT? RIGHT. THAT THAT'S, SO TONIGHT WE'RE JUST REALLY TALKING ABOUT ANNEXING THE PROPERTY FOR THE EXISTING TENANTS FOR POTABLE WATER AND SEWER. BUT ANYTHING THAT WOULD MOVE FORWARD WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS, AND THEN IN THE MEANTIME, WE CAN START LOOKING AT OTHER MODELING AND MEANS, RIGHT. OKAY. UM, UH, PLEASE WEIGH IN MR. HEALEY. YES. YEAH. SO BUILDINGS WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK FOR, UM, FOR, UH, FOR APPROVAL, I GUESS, UM, IF THEY'RE NOT, WELL, MAY, MAY, MAYBE THEY EVEN NEED A REZONING THERE, I DON'T KNOW. BUT DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO. BUT THIS IS OUR REALLY ONE, ONE SHOT AT POSSIBLY, UH, GETTING FILL REMOVED FROM THAT SITE. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF THERE'S, BECAUSE AS WE WERE JUST TOLD THAT THE, THE EXISTING CONDITIONS WOULD BE CONSIDERED THE BASELINE. AND SO IF, IF, IF THERE WAS SOME PERMUTATION COME THAT COMES DOWN THE ROAD, IF THE COUNCIL DOESN'T WANT TO HAVE WEST CONSULT WITH COUNTY WATER AGENCY STAFF BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE, UM, THEN WE'RE, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE GONNA LOSE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REQUIRE FILL TO BE REMOVED OR SHAVED OR MOVED AROUND OR ANYTHING ELSE. SO I GUESS ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE WOULD, WOULD BE HERE TO, WOULD BE TO APPROVE THE ANNEXATION WITH THE CONDITION THAT, UM, IF IN THE FUTURE THE CITY, UM, NEEDS TO HAVE OR WANTS TO HAVE SOME OR ALL OF THE, THE FILL REMOVED THAT THEY WOULD BE OBLIGATED TO DO THAT IS, WOULD THAT BE A, A LEGALLY FEASIBLE, UM, CONDITION HERE, MR. CITY ATTORNEY? THIS, THE STRUGGLE I'M HAVING WITH THIS, UM, DISCUSSION TONIGHT IS, IS THE FACTS THAT WE HAVE ON THE RECORD THAT DON'T SEEM TO, THAT SEEM TO, YOU KNOW, RECOMMEND THAT THE DESIRABILITY OF LEAVING THE STATUS QUO. SO I THINK THE TRICK WOULD BE, I MEAN, OUR, OUR, OUR PROJECT CONDITIONS ARE ALWAYS FOCUSED, YOU KNOW, FACTUALLY ON SOME KIND OF ANALYSIS THAT WE'VE DONE OR SOME KIND OF LEGAL REQUIREMENT THAT EXISTS. UM, AND SO I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M HARD PRESSED TO, TO, CAN I, CAN I MAYBE REFINE THE QUESTION A LITTLE BIT? SO MY THOUGHT PROCESS WAS THAT WE NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, WAKE UP TOMORROW AND DECIDE WE WANT THE FILL GONE, BUT RATHER THAT, YOU KNOW, OTHER PROJECTS THAT STAFF ARE WORKING ON IN CONJUNCTION WITH DOING SOMETHING ON THIS SITE MAY BE BENEFICIAL. AND WE, WE HEARD ABOUT THE REDWOOD BUSINESS PARK DETENTION PONDS AND HOW THAT INTERACTS WITH THIS, WE DON'T KNOW YET, UM, AND OTHER OPPORTUNITY SITES THAT MS. TUFT WAS TALKING ABOUT, BUT IF, IF, IF IT, IT TRANSPIRES IN THE FUTURE THAT IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO HAVE THE FILL REMOVED BECAUSE OF, UM, OTH OTHER PROJECTS, TERRACING OR FLOOD, YOU KNOW, FLOOD POND PROJECTS THAT WE'RE PURSUING, AND THIS WOULD, THIS WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO HAVE THAT FILL GONE AT THAT. CAN WE HAVE A, A, A, A CONDITION HERE ON, ON THE ANNEXATION THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD, WOULD NEED TO COOPERATE WITH US ON THAT? UM, I, I, UM, WITH, I DON'T KNOW, I, I'M, I'M STRUGGLING A LITTLE, BECAUSE THAT'S A LITTLE, I THINK IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT RODDY, IT'S A LITTLE BIT LIKE SAYING, YOU KNOW, DESPITE WHAT THE, THE EXPERT ANALYSIS SHOWS NOW, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE TO CONCLUDE OTHERWISE IN THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE A SORT OF A, YOU KNOW, A A RIGHT TO IMPOSE CONDITIONS AT THAT TIME, [01:40:01] WHICH IS NOT A CERTAIN TIME, UM, AS HAS BEEN POINTED OUT, UM, ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT ON THE SIDE, IF THE ANNEXATION PROCEEDS WILL BE SUBJECT TO THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UM, FULL ANALYSIS OF, UM, YOU KNOW, DRAINAGE, DRAINAGE IMPACTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND ALL THE OTHER REVIEW, UM, PROJECT SPECIFIC REVIEW DEVELOPMENT, SPECIFIC REVIEW. SO THAT'S, THAT'S A SAFEGUARD. I IT MAY BE THAT A MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL PREFERS, UM, LIKE, LIKE YOU'VE SUGGESTED COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY TO, UM, AWAIT CONSULTATION WITH THE WATER AGENCY AND THE CO THE COUNCIL CAN GIVE THAT DIRECTION. UM, BUT I, I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M SORRY, BUT I'M NOT COMING UP WITH A, A WAY TO PACKAGE A CONDITION, UM, TO POTENTIALLY REQUIRE FILL REMOVAL IN THE FUTURE THAT DOESN'T SEEM SUPPORTED BY THE, THE RECORD WE HAVE NOW ABSENT, YOU KNOW, NEW FACTS. SO, UM, BUT WELL, WELL, THE NEW FACTS COULD BE DEVELOPED IN THE FUTURE. THAT'S THE POINT THAT WE HAVEN'T DONE THE ANALYSIS THAT, THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. UM, WELL, RIGHT. BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, USUALLY, USUALLY WHAT, WHAT YIELDS THAT IS, UM, THE PROJECTS, BUT THE DEVELOPMENT SPECIFIC REVIEW THAT'S DONE IN THE FUTURE, AND THEN WE HAVE A NICE SOLID FACTUAL BASIS, RIGHT. UM, FOR, FOR ADDRESSING THOSE FACTS. THEN. SO I'M, I DON'T KNOW IF STAFF HAVE OTHER OR BETTER IDEAS, BUT I'M, I'M NOT COMING UP WITH ANYTHING, UM, ABSENT, YOU KNOW, INFO FROM, FROM MAYBE THE WATER AGENCY THAT THERE'S, THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE. I MEAN, WE HAVE THE, OUR FLOOD MODELING HAS GOTTEN MORE AND MORE SOPHISTICATED. OUR SPECIFIC ANALYSIS WAS RUN AGAIN ON THIS SITE, UM, AND YOU SEE THE RESULTS AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, I MEAN, THOSE, THOSE ANALYSES ARE THEMSELVES COMPLICATED, AND THE COUNCIL MEMBERS MAY STILL UP FOR THEIR QUESTIONS, AND THAT'S OF COURSE THEIR PREROGATIVE. BUT, UM, I'M, I'M NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS US JUST LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, I I, IT, IT, IT SEEMS LIKE, UM, WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS TO BASICALLY LEAVE OPEN A POTENTIAL FUTURE CONDITION TO REMOVE FILL, EVEN THOUGH OUR BEST ANALYSIS RIGHT NOW SUGGESTS THAT, THAT IT'S ACTUALLY BEST LEFT IN PLACE, UM, WE WILL, IF, IF, IF PROJECT SPECIFIC, UM, DRAINAGE ANALYSIS, UM, APPLICANT APPLICATION SPECIFIC DRAIN DRAINAGE ANALYSIS IN THE FUTURE WOULD SHOW A NEED FOR THAT, THEN WE'D CERTAINLY BE ABLE TO CONDITION THEN. UM, BUT I, I JUST FEEL LIKE WE DON'T HAVE THESE FACTS UNLESS I'M MISSING SOMETHING THAT STAFF CAN HELP ME WITH. THANK YOU. OKAY. FOR NOW. GOOD. UM, YEAH, I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER HEALEY, WE HAVE A FLOOD PROBLEM IN THIS TOWN. I MEAN, PROBABLY THAT'S NOT SHOCKING. UM, BUT, UM, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO ABOUT IT IS THE, IS THE BIG QUESTION. AND I THINK THE GENERAL PLAN DIVES IN DEEP ON, UH, WHAT WE DO WITH, UH, FLOOD, UH, PROBLEMS. AND IT SHOULD, UM, THERE COULD BE OPPORTUNITIES HERE, LIKE WE SAID, BUT THIS IS A LEGALLY PERMITTED FILL. AND, UM, THIS IS NOT A, UM, DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION. AND SO HOLDING OUR OPPORTUNITIES TO, WHEN A DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION COMES IN, SEEMS TO ME TO BE, UH, THE RIGHT THING TO DO. UM, THE PROPERTY'S ON THE, I MEAN, THE FILL IS ON THE UNDEVELOPED SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, AND, UM, LIKELY, UM, IF WE WANTED TO DO MORE FLOOD DETENTION, WE WOULD BE SPENDING CITY MONEY TO DO MORE FLOOD DETENTION ON ANY, UH, AREA. AND IT SEEMS TO ME TO BE LIKE A, A TAKING TO ASK FOR IT NOW, UM, WHEN WE SPECIFICALLY DON'T HAVE DATA THAT SUPPORTS MAKING, UM, A TAKING NOW. SO, UM, I WOULD LOOK FOR SOME FLEXIBLE ANSWERS, SOME CLEVER SOLUTION HERE. BUT ON THE WHOLE OF IT, UM, THE ANNEXATION SEEMS TO BE A POSITIVE TO ME. AND IT, UH, SEEMS THAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE THAT SINCE NOTHING CHANGES IN THE, IN THE FLOOD MODEL, THAT WE DON'T HAVE AN AVENUE THAT DIRECTION. I, I WILL LOOK FOR MORE DIALOGUE ON THIS. AND, UH, WELL JUST, UH, MY COMMENT IS, UM, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OTHER DEVELOPMENT ON OTHER PROPERTIES, THEN THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO THE SAME MODELING AND FIGURE OUT HOW THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH OR NOT APPROVE OTHER PROJECTS. SO, I MEAN, IT SEEMS AS THOUGH WE'RE TAKING THIS PROJECT, WHICH IS JUST ANNEX ANNEXING, SO EXISTING BUSINESSES CAN HAVE SEWER AND WATER, AND YET WE'RE TRYING TO TIE IN, THERE MIGHT BE OTHER DEVELOPMENT. AND SO HOW WILL THIS, THIS FILL AFFECT THAT DEVELOPMENT? WELL, I THINK THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT [01:45:01] IS GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO AND NOT DEPEND ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, BECAUSE WITH THE FILL ENTERED, THE FILL OUT, THERE'S JUST NEGLIGIBLE DIFFERENCES. AND I THINK THERE'S A BENEFIT ACTUALLY KEEPING THE FILL IN THERE FOR RECREATION AND OTHER USES. UM, SO I FEEL AS THOUGH, OKAY, MOVING FORWARD WITH ANNEXATION IS BEST FOR THE MANY BUSINESSES THAT ARE ON THAT SITE, AND WE'LL DEAL WITH THE, A DIFFERENT PROJECT WHEN THEY BRING A PROJECT FORWARD OR NOT. COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE. YEAH. SO FOR ME, THE, THE MODELING IS PRETTY CLEAR THAT, UM, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE. UM, AND WHAT WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE IS STRAPPING A AN ENORMOUS COST OF HAVING TO REMOVE ALL THIS FILL. UM, AND I THINK THE PRESENTATION THAT WE HEARD MADE PRETTY CLEAR THAT THERE IS, UM, A LOT OF SMALL BUSINESSES THAT ARE BENEFITING FROM AFFORDABLE RENT RIGHT NOW. AND IF WE STRAP AN ENORMOUS COST ON THIS, THOSE SMALL BUSINESSES ARE NOT GONNA HAVE AFFORDABLE RENT. UM, AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, GOING BACK TO WHAT THE, THE TESTIMONIAL THAT WAS READ FROM THE PAPER, IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THAT IT'S, IT'S TOUGH TO FIND PLACES LIKE THIS. AND IF WE'RE GONNA SUPPORT ARTISANS AND SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WE SHOULD PROBABLY ANNEX THIS PROPERTY IN AND RECOGNIZE THAT, UM, WE'RE NOT GONNA PUT, UM, ALL OF PETALUMA'S, UH, YOU KNOW, FLOOD RISKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT ON THIS ONE PROJECT. UM, WE'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE WATER AND SEWER SO THAT, UM, RETROGRADE COFFEE CAN EX EXPAND THEIR BUSINESS. AND SO THAT, UM, OTHER SMALL BUSINESSES BENEFIT FROM HAVING CITY SERVICES. THANK YOU. ARE WE READY FOR A MOTION? I'LL MOVE APPROVAL MOTION BY BARNACLE, UM, SECOND BY CATER THOMPSON. AND MAY WE HAVE A ROLL CALL? VOTE YES. BARNACLE. AYE. PETER THOMPSON. YES. HEALY? NO. NOW NO. ADE YES. SHRIMPS YES. MCDONALD? YES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU STAFF FOR, UH, CLARITY THAT WE GOT TONIGHT. THANK YOU APPLICANT FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. AND THAT'LL MOVE US ONTO OUR NEXT ITEM. THAT NEXT ITEM IS THE, [WORKSHOP] UM, PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION OF THE DRAFT LAND USE, UH, FRAMEWORK IN, IN ORDER TO PROVIDE A SUMMARY OF THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND FEEDBACK RECEIVED, AND TO RECEIVE INPUT, UH, TO INFORM REVISIONS TO LAND USE POLICIES AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE DRAFT GENERAL PLAN. THIS WILL SPECIFICALLY DISCUSS THIS, WILL SPECIF SPECIFICALLY FOCUS ON DRAFT LAND USE POLICIES IN THE FRAMEWORK AND BE ALLOWED BY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION ON LAND USE ALTERNATIVES AND LAND USE DESIGNATIONS AT A SUBSEQUENT CITY COUNCIL MEETING. TO HELP US WITH, THIS IS HEATHER HINES, OUR SPECIAL PROJECTS MANAGER. SO I THINK WE'LL TAKE A LITTLE MINUTE WHILE THE ROOM CLEARS. AND, AND THEN, UM, ONTO THIS ITEM. [01:50:04] MARY, JUST LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU WANT ME TO, UM, LET'S WAIT ONE MORE CHAIR. OKAY. YOU WANNA GO AROUND? I, OH, NO, SORRY. YOU OKAY IF WE START? OKAY. OKAY. I CAN SEE YOUR GO AHEAD, LOOK OVERLOOKING THE SHOULDER. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. I'M HEATHER HINES, SPECIAL PROJECTS MANAGER, UM, HERE TO, UM, TALK ABOUT THE LAND USE POLICY FRAMEWORK. AND I AM HERE, UH, WITH BRIAN O, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, AS WELL AS, UM, RON AND TROY FROM REMI. UM, SO I AM GOING TO KICK US OFF AND DO A FEW OF THE BACKGROUND SLIDES AND THEN TURN IT OVER TO RON. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO THIS IS JUST A OVERVIEW, OUR TYPICAL OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT THIS EVENING, AND REALLY OF NOTE HERE, AND AS, UM, INTRODUCED BY THE MAYOR, WE'RE HERE TO IGNITE TO TALK ABOUT POLICIES IN THE LAND USE FRAMEWORK, UM, SPECIFICALLY ON THE POLICIES AND, AND PUSHING THE DISCUSSION ON THE ALTERNATIVES AROUND THE AREAS OF CHANGE AND THE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS TO A SUBSEQUENT MEETING. WE JUST FINISHED OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE GENERAL PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON THURSDAY, UM, AND THEY DID SPEND QUITE A BIT OF TIME REALLY FOCUSED ON THOSE AREAS OF CHANGE, THOSE ALTERNATIVES AROUND THE AREAS OF CHANGE AND THE LAND USE DESIGNATION. SO, UM, THAT WILL BE A SUBSEQUENT DISCUSSION WITH THE COUNCIL, LIKELY IN DECEMBER, UM, WHEN WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PULL ALL OF THAT INFORMATION TOGETHER AND, AND PRESENT THAT TO THE COUNCIL. SO FOR THE PURPOSE OF OUR DISCUSSION TONIGHT, WE ARE FOCUSED ON THE POLICIES WITHIN THE LAND USE POLICY FRAMEWORK. NEXT SLIDE. SO THIS IS OUR, UM, ROADMAP, UM, AND, UH, WE ARE NOW IN STEP FIVE, UM, MOVING CLOSER AND CLOSER TO DEVELOPMENT OF THE PLAN AND REVIEW AND ADOPTION ALONG WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT. UM, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO YOU'VE SEEN THIS, THIS BEFORE. UM, THIS IS THE FINAL POLICY FRAMEWORK, THE, I BELIEVE IT'S NUMBER 14, OF ALL THE POLICY FRAMEWORKS THAT WERE DEVELOPED TO INFORM THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE. UM, SO THIS IS SIMILAR TO THE OTHER 13 THAT WE HAVE BROUGHT BEFORE, YOU BROUGHT BEFORE THE CCBS BROUGHT BEFORE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AT DIFFERENT, UH, OUTREACH EFFORTS AS WELL AS BEFORE THE GPAC. UM, AND THIS REALLY JUST LINES OUT THE, THE FORMAT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT OF THE, IN THE, EACH OF THE FRAMEWORKS, INCLUDING GOALS, POLICIES, AND IMPLEMENTATION ACTIONS. NEXT SLIDE. UH, ALSO JUST WANNA POINT OUT, THIS WAS, UH, SOMETHING THAT CAME UP A NUMBER OF TIMES AS, UM, THE COMMUNITY WAS REVIEWING THE FRAMEWORKS THAT THESE WERE KIND OF BORING, KIND OF DRY, UH, SILOED BY TOPIC. AND YES, THESE ARE, UM, SPECIFIC TOPICAL FRAMEWORKS. THE, THESE WILL INFORM THE GENERAL PLAN, BUT THESE DON'T JUST CUT AND PASTE INTO THE GENERAL PLAN. SO THE GENERAL PLAN, WE WILL BE LOOKING AT ORGANIZATIONAL CHANGES. UM, IT'S NOT NECESSARY THAT EVERYTHING IN THE PARKS AND REC FRAMEWORK BECOMES A PARK AND REC ELEMENT IN THE GENERAL PLAN. SO THERE WILL BE SOME CHANGES TO THE ORGANIZATION. MUCH OF THAT IN RESPONSE TO COMMENTS RECEIVED. UM, IT WILL BE A MORE HOLISTIC APPROACH IN THE GENERAL PLAN. IT'LL BE MORE USER FRIENDLY AND IMPORTANT TOO. AND WE HEARD FROM A NUMBER OF, UM, DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY. IT WILL ALSO INCLUDE [01:55:01] AN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN AND, UM, TRACKING, UM, SO THAT WE CAN TRACK OUR, UM, IMPLEMENTATION OF THE GENERAL PLAN ONCE IT IS ADOPTED AND WE ARE USING IT. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO THIS, UM, SHOWS OUR DISCUSSION OF LAND USE, UM, TO DATE. AND REALLY THIS STARTS WITH OCTOBER, 2023, BUT IT REALLY, UM, EXTENDS MUCH FURTHER BACK THAN THAT. UM, WHEN WE WERE DOING MUCH OF THE VISIONING, WE WERE BREAKING THINGS DOWN INTO AREAS OF CHANGE BASED ON INPUT WE WERE GETTING WITH SOME OF OUR QUADRANT MEETINGS. SO LAND USE HAS BEEN PART OF THE DISCUSSION FOR A VERY LONG TIME. SO WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FRAMEWORK THAT WAS RELEASED IN AUGUST, END OF AUGUST, I BELIEVE, UM, THAT CONVERSATION AND THE BUILDING UP TO THAT RELEASE OF THAT FRAMEWORK HAS REALLY BEEN, UM, OVER, OVER A, A, A YEAR, UM, OR MORE, UM, TO GET WHERE WE ARE TODAY. SO WE HAVE, UM, BEEN BEFORE GENERAL PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND PLANNING COMMISSION. WE HAVE BEEN BEFORE COMMUNITY IN A, IN A VARIETY OF FORMATS THAT ROM WILL TOUCH ON LATER. UM, WE'RE HERE TO RECEIVE YOUR INPUT ON THE POLICIES IN THIS FRAMEWORK. UM, WE ARE THEN GOING TO TAKE ALL OF THE INPUT THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED, LIKE I SAID, UM, COME BACK FOR A WORKSHOP WITH THE CITY COUNCIL ON THE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS, THE AREA OF CHANGE ALTERNATIVES, UH, IN LIKELY IN DECEMBER. UM, AND THEN WE WILL, UM, COME UP WITH A PREFERRED LAND USE MAP AND GO BACK BEFORE THE GENERAL PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE, PLANNING COMMISSION AND BACK BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL. AND THE REASON THAT IS SUCH A MILESTONE IN THIS PROCESS IS BECAUSE WE CANNOT START THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT UNTIL WE HAVE, UM, A, A LAND USE MAP TO BE WORKING OFF OF. SO THAT IS WHAT WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS. UM, BUT REALLY WANNA BE CLEAR WITH THE COUNCIL THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF TIMES THAT THERE ARE GOING TO BE DISCUSSION ON THIS TOPIC BEFORE WE'RE, UM, WALKING AWAY WITH A PREFERRED LAND USE MAP. AND I BELIEVE WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO RON. THANK YOU, HEATHER, AND GOOD EVENING COUNCIL MEMBERS. IT'S GOOD TO BE WITH YOU AGAIN THIS EVENING. I, I'M GONNA VERY, VERY BRIEFLY PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE FRAMEWORK AND THEN TOUCH A BIT ON, UM, WHAT WE DID TO GET PUBLIC FEEDBACK ON THE LAND USE POLICY FRAMEWORK. UM, ASSUMING AT THIS POINT THAT YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK THIS OVER, WE DIDN'T THINK IT WAS MERITED THE TIME TO GO THROUGH AN OVERVIEW OF THE FRAMEWORK IN DETAIL. AND SO THE NEXT TWO SLIDES ARE REALLY JUST A VERY HIGH LEVEL, HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF WHAT IS CONTAINED AND WHAT IS OVER A HUNDRED PAGE DOCUMENT. THE FRONT END IS DESIGNED TO BE AN OVERVIEW AND THEN AN INTRODUCTION TO WHAT THE FRAMEWORK IS ALL ABOUT. AND THEN, UH, QUITE EXTENSIVE, UH, SECTION CALLED LAND DRIVERS THAT SUMMARIZES ALL OF WHAT HEATHER REFERENCED EARLIER, ALL OF THE INPUT AND ANALYSIS THAT DROVE THE PRODUCTION OF THE LAND USE POLICY FRAMEWORK, INCU, INCLUDING COMMUNITY INPUT, ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE VISION PILLARS AND GUIDING PRINCIPLES AND ALL OF THE ANALYSIS GOING BACK TO EXISTING CONDITIONS, PLUS ALL THE ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS WE'VE DONE SINCE THEN, INCLUDING THE, THE FLOOD MODELING AND MAPPING, UM, PARKS MAPPING, ET CETERA. UM, WE ALSO THOUGHT, BECAUSE THE LAND USE ELEMENT IS VERY MUCH THE HEART OF THE GENERAL PLAN, THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO BE VERY CLEAR IN THE FRAMEWORK HOW IT WILL BE IMPLEMENTED. AND SO THERE ARE SUBSECTIONS ON HOW, UH, LANDOWNERS, DEVELOPERS, AND STAFF USE AND REFER TO THE GENERAL PLAN DURING THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS. A SUMMARY OF THE RANGE OF CODE UPDATES THAT ARE, UM, RECOMMENDED IN THIS DRAFT OF THE, UH, OF THIS PLAN, UH, FRAMEWORK, EXCUSE ME. AND THEN A NOTE ABOUT HOW, UM, THERE'LL BE SUB SUBSEQUENT PLANNING DONE AND OR UPDATED, UM, TO, UH, ENSURE CONSISTENCY, UH, OF THOSE ADDITIONAL PLANS WITH THE GENERAL PLAN. AND THERE'S A SECTION THAT PROVIDES AN OVERVIEW OF THE OVERALL LAND USE DIRECTION AS DETAILED IN THE FRAMEWORK. AND THEN THERE'S A, A, WHAT WE MIGHT CALL THE HEART OF THE FRAMEWORK, WHICH AGAIN, AS HEATHER MENTIONED, IS NOT WHAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON TONIGHT, THAT WE'LL BE COMING BACK FOR DEEPER DISCUSSION WITH YOU LATER. IT'S THE, WE CALL IT THE LAND USE FOUNDATION. THAT'S WHERE, UM, THE DESIGNATIONS ARE DESCRIBED, STANDARDS ASSOCIATED WITH THE DESIGNATIONS ARE INCLUDED. AND THEN THERE'S A, A, A RANGE, A SERIES OF AREAS OF CHANGE WE CALL THEM, AND OPTIONS FOR CHANGING GENERAL PLAN LAND USE DESIGNATIONS IN THOSE AREAS. THE REMAINDER OF THE FRAMEWORK IS ARRANGED IN FOUR CHAPTERS. UM, EACH FOCUSED ON A MAJOR DIFFERENT KIND OF POLICY DIRECTION OR POLICY AREA OF [02:00:01] THE FRAMEWORK. THE FIRST IS REALLY ABOUT KIND OF THE CITYWIDE APPROACH TO LAND USE, UM, INCLUDING AND REALLY KIND OF FOUNDATIONALLY STARTING WITH A FIRM URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY. THE PRIORITIZATION OF MAINTAINING AND EXPANDING OPEN SPACE WITHIN AND ADJACENT TO THE CITY. THE FOCUS ON INFILL DEVELOPMENT, THE FOCUS ON, UH, TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT AND THE CRITICAL ROLE OF THE RIVER PLAYS IN LAND USE IN THE CITY, BOTH IN TERMS OF PRESERVATION OF KEY ECOLOGICAL AND OTHER OPEN SPACE RESOURCES, AS WELL AS THE IMPORTANCE OF RIVER ADJACENT, UM, DEVELOPMENT, BOTH BEING PROTECTED FROM FLOODING AND WHERE IT'S APPROPRIATE, UM, BEING ORIENTED TO APPROPRIATELY AND PROVIDING APPROPRIATE ACCESS, UM, TO THE RIVER. CHAPTER TWO THEN IS REALLY FOCUSED ON A VARIETY OF STRATEGIES AND, AND, UM, APPROACHES TO HELPING PETALUMA EVOLVE AS A 15 MINUTE CITY. IT BEGINS WITH, UM, IDENTIFYING SOME PROPOSED WHAT WE CALL ACTIVITY CENTERS. AND THOSE ARE THREE TYPES. TOWN CENTERS, NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERS, AND MINI CENTERS ARE, ARE ACTIVATED PARKS. AND THEN GOES ON TO EXPLAIN HOW COMPLIMENTARY POLICIES FOCUSED ON RESIDENTIAL, UM, DENSITY DIVERSIFICATION OF USES WITHIN LARGELY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, AND THE NEED FOR SUPPORTING INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THESE 15 MINUTE, UM, NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, UH, UH, AND TO COMPLIMENT THOSE OTHER STRATEGIES. AND THEN CHAPTER THREE IS REALLY FOCUSED ON, UM, WHAT SO MANY PEOPLE DURING THE PROCESS HAVE IDENTIFIED AS BEING SO CRITICAL FOR PETALUMA, WHICH IS RE UH, UH, MAINTAINING, RETAINING, CELEBRATING AND ENHANCING THE UNIQUE DESIGN AND CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY. AND SO THERE ARE, UM, GOAL AREAS FOCUSED ON SENSE OF PLACE, ESTABLISHING GATEWAYS AND ENHANCING CORRIDORS, UM, BEING VERY PROACTIVE ABOUT, UM, DESIGN IN FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN A FINAL GOAL AREA FOCUSED ON SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH TO COMPLIMENTS MUCH OF WHAT'S IN THE, UH, BLUE BLUEPRINT FOR CARBON. WHAT DO WE, WHAT'S IT CALLED NOW? CLIMATE BLUEPRINT FOR CARBON CLIMATE ACTION. THANK YOU. UM, IN TERMS OF VERY SPECIFIC, UM, UH, FOCUS ON FUTURE BUILDING DEVELOPMENT, UM, REDUCING GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS, ET CETERA. AND THEN FINALLY, CHAPTER FOUR IS A MODIFIED VERSION OF THE EXISTING, UM, POLICIES FOCUSED ON DIFFERENT SUB AREAS OF THE CITY. UM, LARGELY UPDATED TO REMOVE REDUNDANCY WITH POLICIES THAT ARE FOUND ELSEWHERE IN THE FRAMEWORK THAT ARE FOCUSED ON A CITYWIDE SCALE, BUT HAVE VERY, HAVE, HAVE RELEVANCE TO SPECIFIC SUB AREAS. AND THEN FINALLY, WE CLOSED WITH THE GLOSSARY. A LOT OF PEOPLE HAD QUESTIONS INITIALLY ABOUT TERMS, AND SO WE THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT WE MEANT BY DIFFERENT TERMS. AND SO WE TOOK THE EXISTING GLOSSARY FROM THE GENERAL PLAN, UM, LEFT IT, FILTERED IT FOR ALL THE THINGS WERE LAND, LAND USE SPECIFIC, AND PROPOSED SOME UPDATES AND ADDITIONS. SO AS HEATHER MENTIONED, WE RELEASED THE PUBLIC DRAFT, UM, POLICY FRAMEWORK IN LATE AUGUST, AND THEN, UH, HAD A, A QUITE EXTENSIVE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND REVIEW. WE GOT THE WORD OUT ABOUT THIS OPPORTUNITY, UM, THROUGH, UM, BANNERS ON THE WEBSITE AND A PAGE WITHIN THE WEB. UM, THE, THE WEBSITE SPECIFIC TO THE PROJECT FOCUSED SPECIFICALLY ON THE LAND USE FRAMEWORK WHERE PEOPLE COULD DOWNLOAD THE DOCUMENT, PROVIDE COMMENTS ON SPECIFIC GOALS OR POLICIES, DOWNLOAD THE MAPS, UM, ACCESS AN ARC GIS ONLINE MAP THAT PROVIDED A LOT OF USEFUL REFERENCE LAYERS, ET CETERA. THERE WERE FLOW FLYERS AND POSTERS POSTED AROUND TOWN, UM, ADVERTISING THE TWO IN PERSON WORKSHOPS, WHICH I'LL SAY A BIT MORE IN A MINUTE. BANNERS IN FRONT OF CITY HALL ON KENTUCKY, UH, STREET. AND AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER, I BELIEVE. UM, LOTS OF BOOSTED SOCIAL MEDIA. I'M NOT A SOCIAL MEDIA EXPERT MYSELF, BUT I BELIEVE WHAT THAT MEANS IS, UM, UH, USING THE CITY'S EXISTING SOCIAL MEDIA AND, UM, UM, BOOSTING IT SO THAT IT SHOWS UP HIGHER ON PEOPLE'S, UM, UH, IT'S NOT SEARCH, BUT THEIR, THEIR FEEDS. THANK YOU. SORRY, I SHOULD ASK MY SON BEFORE I DO THESE PRESENTATIONS. UM, AND THEN WE ALSO SEND INFORMATION AND ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO, UH, ATTEND COMMUNITY EVENTS THROUGH THE SCHOOL MAILERS. THERE WAS A KNOW BEFORE YOU GROW FORUM SPECIFICALLY FOCUSED ON, UM, THE LAND USE FRAMEWORK, WHICH WAS A GREAT WAY BOTH TO ANSWER SOME VERY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS AND GET THE WORD OUT AMONGST A, UH, AUDIENCE THAT WE KNOW IS VERY INTERESTED IN THESE ISSUES. UM, OBVIOUSLY [02:05:01] HAD A LOT OF INFORMATION IN THE CITY'S WEEKLY EMAILS, AND ALSO THERE'S A GP SPECIFIC EMAIL LIST THAT WE, UH, ADVERTISED EVENTS THROUGH. AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO A ADVERTISEMENT IN THE ARGUS. SO HIGH LEVEL, UH, WE HAD THE ONLINE FEEDBACK FORUM I MENTIONED ALREADY, BUT ALSO NINE DIFFERENT POP-UP EVENTS. AND THOSE ARE REALLY DESIGNED TO BE LIKE GO WHERE PEOPLE ARE SORTS OF ACTIVITIES. THEY'RE HELD AT PLACES PEOPLE FREQUENT OFTEN, AND WHERE THERE'S LOTS OF FOOT TRAFFIC. SO FOR INSTANCE, UM, UH, THERE WAS A EVENT AT THE FAIRGROUNDS, HARVEST, HARVEST BEETS WHERE WE HAD A POPUP, UM, WENT TO FOOD TRUCKS THAT WERE, HAD A LOT OF TRAFFIC IN CERTAIN TIMES OF THE WEEK, UM, LOTS OF PARKS WHERE WE KNEW THERE WAS GONNA BE LOTS OF ACTIVITY, ET CETERA. REALLY TRIED TO FOCUS THOSE ON PLACES WHERE WE WERE THINKING ABOUT LAND USE CHANGE, AND ASKED PEOPLE AT THOSE POPUPS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THOSE, THOSE, UM, CHANGE OPTIONS. A LOT OF PEOPLE, UM, WE, WE TALKED WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE THROUGH THOSE EVENTS ABOUT APPROXIMATELY 2 30, 230 OVERALL. WE THEN HELD TWO WORKSHOPS, WHICH I'LL SAVE IT MORE IN A, IN A MINUTE, BUT OVERALL HAD ABOUT 110 PARTICIPANTS AT THOSE. AND THEN LARGELY WE ALSO LOOKED VERY MUCH TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHOSE PRIMARY PURVIEW IS LAND USE, AS WELL AS THE GENERAL PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE WHOSE, WHOSE ROLE IS TO PROVIDE US DETAILED FEEDBACK ON DRAFT WORK PRODUCT LIKE THESE FRAMEWORKS. I LOOKED TO THEM FOR A DETAILED REVIEW AND GOT TREMENDOUSLY USEFUL FEEDBACK, SOME OF WHICH IS SUMMARIZED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. SO AGAIN, A BIT MORE ABOUT THE, THE WORKSHOPS OR OPEN HOUSES. UH, ONE WAS ON A SATURDAY AT THE FAIRGROUNDS AND ANOTHER THE FOLLOWING WEDNESDAY AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER. UM, I THINK MANY OF YOU WERE THERE, BUT, UH, FOR THOSE WHO WEREN'T, IT WAS ARRANGED IN STATIONS. ONE WAS FOCUSED ON KIND OF CITYWIDE STRATEGIES, THE REMAINDER IN, UH, FOUR MAJOR CLUSTERS, UH, RIVER DOWNTOWN, UM, CORRIDORS AND 15 MINUTE CENTERS. UM, AND EACH OF THOSE, THERE WERE SET PAIRS OF MAPS, BOTH EXPLAINING, UH, CURRENT CONDITIONS, WHAT'S CURRENTLY ALLOWED, UM, OTHER FACTORS THAT DROVE OUR THINKING ABOUT LAND USE IN CERTAIN AREAS, INVITED INPUT ON THE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT. PEOPLE WANTED TO SEE THE LEVEL OF CHANGE AND OTHER IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY THOUGHT WOULD COMPLEMENT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN IN THOSE AREAS WHERE WE'RE CONSIDERING, UM, DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR FUTURE LAND USE CHANGE, INVITED PEOPLE'S COMMENT ON ON WHAT THEY THOUGHT ABOUT THAT FROM STRONGLY OPPOSED TO STRONGLY SUPPORT AND WHY. UM, SHOULD ALSO NOTE THAT, UM, WE MADE AN EFFORT DURING THIS LAND USE ENGAGEMENT TO, UM, REACH OUT SPECIFICALLY TO SPANISH SPEAKING RESIDENCE. UM, THERE WAS, UH, UH, A SPANISH EXECUTIVE SUMMARY OF THE LAND USE FRAMEWORK AVAILABLE ON THE PROJECT WEBSITE. IT WAS ALSO PRINTED. COPIES OF IT WERE ALSO AVAILABLE AT THE TWO WORKSHOPS AT EACH OPEN HOUSE. WE ALSO HAD SEVERAL SPANISH SPEAKING STAFF ON, ON HAND TO, UM, HELP AND SUPPORT, PRIMARILY SPANISH SPEAKING, UM, RESIDENTS THAT CAME, UM, LIKEWISE AT SEVEN OF THE POPUPS, WE HAD A SPANISH SPEAKER AVAILABLE. AND AT ONE IN PARTICULAR, IT WAS A SPANISH ONLY POP-UP. IT WAS HELD AT CAFE CAFE PUENTE WHERE, UM, OUR PREREQUISITE THEY GAVE US WAS THAT IT, WE ONLY HAVE MATERIALS IN SPANISH. AND SO THE BOARDS WERE TRANSLATED INTO SPANISH. THE HANDOUT MATERIALS WERE IN SPANISH, THE FACILITATORS WERE FLUENT SPANISH SPEAKERS. UM, AND SO IT WAS A GREAT WAY TO, TO ALLOW, PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO PROVIDE INPUT IN THEIR, THE, THE TONGUE THEY'RE MOST COMFORTABLE WITH, UM, AND HELP THEM UNDERSTAND WHAT THE FRAMEWORK'S ALL ABOUT AND GET THEIR FEEDBACK ON, ON CITYWIDE STRATEGIES. UM, SHOULD KNOW WE HAVEN'T SHARED MUCH ABOUT THIS YET, IT'S STILL A BIT UNDER DEVELOPMENT AS WE, UH, DEVELOP COLLABORATIVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH COMMUNITY-BASED ORGANIZATIONS. BUT WE'RE REACHING OUT TO A RANGE OF CBOS IN TOWN WHO WORK WITH, UM, UNDERREPRESENTED OR UNDERSERVED, UM, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY AND WANNA PARTNER WITH THEM TO DO A COMBINATION OF PROBABLY LISTENING SESSIONS AND SURVEYS, UM, TO HEAR DIRECTLY FROM FOLKS, AGAIN, TAKING VERY MUCH THE GO TO WHERE PEOPLE ARE APPROACH. UM, THAT'S THE KEY TO THE COLLABORATION WITH A COMMUNITY-BASED ORGANIZATION. SO WE'LL BE DOING THAT THROUGH THE FALL, FOCUSING ON A RANGE OF ISSUES, MANY OF WHICH ARE COVERED IN THE VARIOUS, UM, POLICY FRAMEWORKS INCLUDING LAND USE, BUT WITH A PARTICULAR EMPHASIS ON ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE AND THE SIX TOPIC AREAS THAT ARE REQUIRED BY SB 1000. SO QUICKLY HAVE A FEW THOUGHT SLIDES SUMMARIZING WHAT IS SUMMARIZED IN MORE DETAIL IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. UM, SOME OF THE FEEDBACK, [02:10:01] UM, REALLY JUST EXAMPLES OF SOME OF THE FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE GENERAL, THE GPAC AND THE, AND THE PUBLIC. I SHOULD REALLY EMPHASIZE THIS IS JUST A VERY SMALL SUBSET OF, OF EXAMPLES OF COMMENTS. WE TRIED TO PICK THOSE THAT WERE FAIRLY REPRESENTATIVE OF THE DIVERSITY OF INPUT, BUT SHOULD ALSO REALLY STRESS THAT BECAUSE WE'RE SHARING WITH THEM ON THESE SLOT, SHARING THESE WITH YOU ON YOUR THE SLIDES OR IN THE STAFF REPORT, DOES NOT MEAN WE'RE TAKING THEM AT, UH, FACE VALUE. UM, WE'RE CONSIDERING THEM ALONG WITH ALL THE OTHER COMMENTS, SOME OF WHICH ARE IN DISAGREEMENT WITH ONE ANOTHER. UM, AND WE'LL CONSIDER THEM ALONG WITH ALL THE OTHER ANALYSIS THAT WE CONSIDERED WHEN DEVELOPING THE FRAMEWORKS TO, UM, COME UP WITH RECOMMENDED REVISIONS TO THESE MOVING FORWARD. SO, SO I JUST WANNA EMPHASIZE JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE ON THE SCREEN DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA DO EXACTLY WHAT PEOPLE ARE SUGGESTING. UM, SO PLANNING COMMISSIONERS GAVE US A LOT OF GREAT USEFUL FEEDBACK ON THE 15 MINUTE ACTIVITY CENTER IDEA, SPECIFICALLY ALSO EXPRESSED SUPPORT FOR THE APPROACH WE TAKE IN LAND USE GOAL 10 TO THE HISTORICALLY AGRICULTURAL SUPPORTING INDUSTRIAL SITES. UM, AND THEN HAD SOME OTHER VERY USEFUL COMMENTS ON CORRIDOR IMPROVEMENT, UM, AND, AND KIND OF SUPPORTING THE FOCUS ON HIGH QUALITY DESIGN AND FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. LIKEWISE, THE GPAC ALSO GOT US, UH, GAVE US LOTS OF GREAT INPUT ON, UM, DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THE 15 MINUTE CITY, SPECIFICALLY ON 15 MINUTE ACTIVITY CENTERS, AND ALSO REALLY GOOD, UH, INPUT AND FEEDBACK ON HOW TO APPROACH, UM, FACILITATING, GETTING MORE HIGH DENSITY HOUSING IN THE FUTURE AND WHAT TYPES OF HOUSING THAT WOULD BE MOST USEFUL. AND THEN LIKEWISE, THE PUBLIC. UM, AGAIN, THE 15 MINUTE CITY CONCEPT ELICITED A LOT OF INTERESTING COMMENTS. UM, SOME, SOME MANY IN DIS DISAGREEMENT WITH EACH OTHER. UM, BUT THEN ALSO, UM, WE RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM FOLKS WHO'VE WORKED HISTORICALLY ON THE LAFFERTY PARK, UM, AREA AS WELL AS THE RIVER PARK FOUNDATION, UM, BOTH EMPHASIZING THE NEED TO CONTINUE THEIR, THEIR EFFORTS, ENSURE CONSISTENCY BETWEEN THE EVOLUTION OF THE GENERAL PLAN AND THEIR WORK. UM, AND THEN THAT'S REALLY IT FOR OUR SUMMARY. AGAIN, YOU HAVE MUCH MORE DETAILED, UM, SUMMARIES OF PUBLIC INPUT IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. UM, VERY MUCH LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR FEEDBACK THIS EVENING. AS HEATHER MENTIONED, WE'RE REALLY JUST FOCUSING ON THE, THE POLICY ASPECT OF THE FRAMEWORK, AND WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU SOON WITH A, UH, TO, TO SUPPORT A RICH CONVERSATION ABOUT POTENTIAL LAND USE CHANGES. SO TONIGHT WHAT WE'D FIND REALLY HELPFUL IS YOUR FEEDBACK ON THE ALL THE OTHER WRITTEN POLICIES IN THE FRAMEWORK. WHAT, FOR INSTANCE, WHAT DO YOU THINK IS MOST IMPORTANT? DO ANY, RAISE ANY CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS FOR YOU? UM, THINK THEY COULD BE STRENGTHENED. DO YOU THINK THE POLICY DIRECTION IS INCORRECT, FOR INSTANCE? UM, AND REALLY KIND OF GETTING BACK TO THE FUNDAMENTAL VISION PILLARS AND GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT HAVE, THAT ARE DRIVING EVERYTHING SINCE WE, WE, WE, WE ESTABLISHED THOSE EARLY ON IN THE PROCESS. DO YOU SEE ANYTHING IN THE FRAMEWORK THAT IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THOSE OR DO YOU THINK NEEDS TO, THE FRAMEWORK NEEDS TO DO A BETTER JOB IN ANY WAY IN ADVANCING SOME OF THOSE, UM, ELEMENTS OF THE VISION PILLARS OR GUIDING PRINCIPLES. SO WE'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT FOR NOW. UM, HAPPY TO TAKE ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS, THEN PUBLIC COMMENT, THEN LOOK FORWARD TO, UM, RECEIVING YOUR FEEDBACK. OKAY, THANK YOU. UH, GREAT PRESENTATION. AND YES, THAT'S THE, THE KEY ITEM IN THE GENERAL PLAN. WE'RE AT THE, WE'RE AT THE BIG, BIG DEAL HERE, SO, UM, AND, AND I DID, UH, UH, WATCH THE, THE PRESENTATION AND DIALOGUE FROM, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION AND, UH, THEY REALLY DRILLED DOWN DEEP AND IT'S, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT'S COMING OUTTA THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON THIS EFFORT. AND, UH, WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO INVITE COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE START. YEAH, MY, MY QUESTION WAS ASKED AND IT WAS REALLY OPEN-ENDED, SO I DIDN'T EXPECT IT BUT I WANTED YOU TO BE PREPARED FOR IT, UM, WAS REALLY, HOW DID THE INPUT THAT YOU RECEIVED VERY, BASED ON LOCATION IN THE CITY OR, UM, YOU KNOW, GOING TO CAFE PUENTE, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT DID YOU HEAR THERE THAT MAYBE WAS DIFFERENT FROM, UM, WHAT YOU MIGHT'VE HEARD IN SOME OF THE BIGGER WORKSHOPS? YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. UM, SO AT THE WORKSHOPS, SO AT THE POPUPS, IT'S VERY, WE, IT'S DIFFICULT TO GET PEOPLE TO SIGN IN AND PROVIDE THEIR DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION. AND SO WE REALLY JUST KIND OF HAVE A MORE, UM, OBSERVATIONAL UNDERSTANDING OF THE PARTICIPATION AT THOSE. UM, AND GENERALLY, UM, WE HAD, UM, KIND OF RATES OF PARTICIPATION OF LATINX COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND YOUTH THAT ARE COMPARABLE TO, OR SLIGHTLY HIGHER THAN WHAT THE CENSUS TELLS US ARE, UM, ARE THE CURRENT DEMOGRAPHICS IN THE CITY. SO THAT WAS A, A GREAT THING. WHAT WE DON'T HAVE ARE, WHAT WE AREN'T [02:15:01] ABLE TO DO, UM, IS CORRELATE THE FEEDBACK WE GOT SPECIFICALLY AT THOSE POPUPS, UM, TO THAT, THAT THAT DEMOGRAPHIC SPECIFICALLY BASED ON THE WAY THE DATA WAS GATHERED. WE HAD, FOR INSTANCE, WE USED THE BOARDS. WE REUSE THE BOARDS OFTEN AT DIFFERENT POPUPS. AND SO YOU MAY VERY WELL FIND STICKERS OR DOTS ON A BOARD THAT WAS USED AT ONE, ONE OR MORE AT POPUP THAT, UM, WHERE WE, SO WE CAN'T TIE IT BACK TO LIKE WHO SPECIFICALLY MAY HAVE ATTENDED A PARTICULAR POPUP AT THE WORKSHOPS. WE DID, UM, ASK FOR, UH, DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION FROM PARTICIPANTS IF THEY WERE WILLING TO SHARE IT. BUT AGAIN, WE DIDN'T, WE WEREN'T, WE CAN'T CONNECT PEOPLE'S SPECIFIC DEMOGRAPHIC CHARACTERISTICS TO THE COMMENTS THEY LEFT ON THE BOARDS. UM, SO THERE'S NO WAY TO LIKE DO ANY KIND OF, UM, CROSS TAB TO CHECK LIKE INPUT BY, BY AGE OR ETHNICITY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO WE CAN'T DRILL DOWN AT THAT LEVEL IF, IF THAT, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE REALLY GETTING AT. WELL, IT IS KIND OF WHAT I'M GETTING AT. 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, PART OF, LIKE, IF WE'RE TRYING TO, TO INCORPORATE EQUITY INTO OUR DECISION MAKING PROCESS AND NOT, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO DISCERN WHAT WE HEARD FROM OUR UNDERREPRESENTED MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, THEN I DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO THERE, LIKE ADVOCATE FOR THAT FROM UP HERE OR INCORPORATE THAT INTO MY DECISION MAKING. IT ALL JUST SORT OF GETS LOST IN. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, LIKE ONE WOULD EXPECT THAT THOSE DOTS ARE THE ONES WHERE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, TWO OF THEM INSTEAD OF WHERE THERE'S 10. AND THAT SORT OF IS JUST CONTINUING THIS SORT OF, THEY'RE UNDERREPRESENTED SO THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, THEIR VOICES DON'T MATTER. AND THAT, YOU KNOW, SORT OF PERPETUATE, PERPETUATES THAT. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHY WE'RE DOING THIS MORE ROBUST EFFORT IN THE COMING MONTHS. A WE, WE, IT'S NOT UNUSUAL FOR FOLKS, UM, IN SOME OF THESE UNDERREPRESENTED COMMUNITIES NOT TO COME TO, IT'S OFTEN YOU GOTTA COME TO A PLACE WHERE THEY FEEL SAFE AND COMFORTABLE. UM, AND THAT BECAUSE SB 1000 TOPICS COVER SUCH A RANGE OF THINGS, ACCESS TO PUBLIC SERVICES, UM, ACCESS TO HEALTHY FOOD, HEALTHY HOUSING, A LOT OF, A LOT OF TOPICS THAT ARE OTHERWISE ADDRESSED IN THE, UM, GENERAL PLAN, UM, WE'RE GONNA USE IT AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO NOT JUST, JUST TO TALK ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE, BUT A RANGE OF TALK. UM, AND HOPEFULLY HEAR FROM A PRETTY REPRESENTATIVE, UM, CROSS SECTION OF THE COMMUNITY IN THAT MATTER. YEAH, I, I'LL SAVE MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU. IT'S A VERY GOOD POINT. IT'S A LITTLE TRICKY TO GET, UH, COMMENTS SEPARATED FROM QUESTIONS IN A CONTENT DRIVEN LIKE THIS. UH, I THINK WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO BLENDING THEM HERE TO, TO FIRST ROUND. I DO WANT TO, UH, NOTIFY THE PUBLIC, MAKE SURE WE RECOGNIZE WE'LL DO A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD FIRST. WE'RE GONNA GONNA CHEW A LITTLE BIT UP HERE. MAYBE IT'S NOT STRICTLY QUESTIONED. THIS IS OKAY, THAT'S FORGIVABLE TONIGHT. I'LL CHEW, THEN I'LL, I'LL I'LL CHEW A LITTLE BIT FARTHER. UM, I THINK IT'S CRITICAL THAT IN THE NEXT WORK THAT YOU DO, THAT IT IS SEPARATED OUT, UM, BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST FOR US, IT'S ALSO FOR US TO BE ABLE TO GROUND TOUGH DECISIONS FOR THE PUBLIC AND, UM, IN VALUES, RIGHT? LIKE THAT'S, UM, I WENT TO THE WORKSHOPS AND WHAT I, WHAT I FELT LIKE WAS MISSING FROM ALL OF THE DIALOGUE BETWEEN THE PARTICIPANTS WAS A REAL, LIKE, SOLID UNDERSTANDING OF HOW OUR VALUES, UM, ARE REPRESENTED IN LAND USE DECISIONS. AND I THINK FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE STEEPED IN PLANNING, IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S THINGS THAT WE REALLY CONSIDER AND WE KNOW, BUT, UM, TO BRING THE PUBLIC INTO IT, THERE NEEDS TO BE LIKE A REAL REFLECTION OF VALUES IN, IN LAND USE DECISIONS. UM, AND IT'S REALLY HARD TO DO THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE, UM, THE INPUT BROKEN OUT BY THE COMMUNITIES THAT WE'RE CAPTURING IT FROM. AND I THINK ALSO JUST AS WE DO MORE, LIKE I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVING A PART OF THIS OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, HERE'S WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT YOUR VALUES, AND THEN HERE'S WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT LAND USE. BECAUSE WHAT I, UM, WHAT I OBSERVE RIGHT NOW IS THAT OUR CURRENT LAND USE POLICIES ARE NOT IN LINE WITH OUR VALUES, RIGHT? THERE'S A REASON WHY TEACHERS CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE HERE, AND THAT'S BECAUSE THE LAND USE DECISIONS WE'VE MADE HAVE PUSHED THEM OUT. THAT'S WHY WE'VE SEEN A 20% DECLINE IN FAMILIES LIVING HERE BECAUSE THE POLICIES THAT WERE, UM, ADOPTED IN PRIOR GENERAL PLANS HAVE PUSHED THEM OUT. AND SO, UM, I REALLY THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO GET PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY SAY WHAT THEIR VALUES ARE SO THAT WE CAN ADDRESS THAT DISCONNECT THAT, UM, IS NOT SO INTUITIVE TO THE AVERAGE PERSON. COUNCIL MEMBER, [02:20:11] YOU CAN TRY THIS ONE. TECHNICAL DIFFICUL TONIGHT. UM, MY, MY SCREEN WENT, LET'S TURN THIS OUT EARLIER. ANYWAY. UM, SO ONE OF THE CONCERNS, WELL, WELL, THANK YOU. UH, ONE OF THE CONCERNS, UM, I HAVE WHAT CAME UP IN, UH, UM, SOME OF THE WORKSHOPS THAT WE HAD AND WE HAVE WHERE FOLKS WERE PUTTING UP ALL THESE RED DOTS AND AT ALMOST EVERY LOCATION, UM, THAT WAS ALTERNATIVE WAS A SIX STORY BUILDING. LOTS AND LOTS OF DO NOT DO, UH, ON EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE. I SUSPECT THAT MAY BE A POSSIBLE, UM, RESULT OR, UM, OUTCOME OF CURRENT, UH, CONTROVERSY ABOUT THE OVERLAY IN THE DOWNTOWN HOTEL, WHICH IS SIX STORIES. AND SO, UH, SO PEOPLE WERE EXPRESSING THAT BY PUTTING ON LOTS OF RED DOTS, UH, ON ANYTHING THAT WAS SIX STORIES. SO THAT'S MY SUSPICION, BUT THERE IS SOME CONCERNS I HAVE IN THE LANGUAGE AND IN THE, UM, POSSIBLE WAY. UM, THE VAGUENESS AND HEALTH THINGS, THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS THAT MAY BE IN CONFLICT. I WANT YOU TO CLEAR UP A LITTLE BIT, UM, ON THIS WHOLE STORYLINE OF HIGH DENSITY HOUSING AND, UM, SIX STORIES VERSUS FOUR STORIES AND THINGS. SO IN, IN THERE, IN THE SEVERAL OF THE FRAMEWORKS AND, AND WHAT YOU HAVE, YOU'VE GOT, UM, HIGH DENSITY HOUSING IS NEEDED. EVERYTHING, ESPECIALLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING, LIKE ALL HOUSING IS NEEDED. YOU HAVE 15 MINUTE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE REALLY NEEDED, WHICH ARE PUTTING DEVELOPMENT, LARGE AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT INTO PARTS OF TOWN THAT MAY BE ANYWHERE FROM, UH, DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES, MAYBE SIX STORIES AS AN ALTERNATIVE. AND THEN WE HAVE DOWNTOWN, WHICH ISN'T QUITE FLESHED OUT YET AS FAR AS HOW IS IT GOING IN DEVELOPING WITH THE CURRENT OVERLAY THAT'S BEING DISCUSSED. SO I'M THINKING ABOUT HOW IN THIS GENERAL PLAN, WHICH IS 20 PLUS YEARS, 25 YEARS, 20 YEARS PLUS VERSUS RENA, WHICH IS AN EIGHT YEAR PLAN, AND RENA, WE HAVE NO HOUSING PRETTY MUCH PROPOSED IMMEDIATE DOWN NOW AREA, BUT IT'S ONLY AN EIGHT YEAR CYCLE. AND I'M THINKING THE NEXT EIGHT YEAR CYCLE AND THEN THE NEXT EIGHT YEAR CYCLE AFTER THAT. SO IN THE AMOUNT OF HOUSING WE'RE GONNA NEED IN THE NEXT 25, 30 YEARS IS WHAT WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT NOT THE NEXT EIGHT YEARS IN THE ARENA CYCLE. SO CURRENTLY THAT SAYS, OKAY, NOT NO HOUSING DOWNTOWN, WILL WE BE ABLE, SO THE QUESTIONS I'M COMING UP WITH IS IF WE HAVE TO PRIORITIZE 15 MINUTE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND PUTTING MONEY INTO THAT AND EFFORT AND STAFF TIME INTO THAT, IS THAT GOING TO BE IN CONFLICT WITH, OH, WE NEED TO DO A DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT SCENARIO AND REALLY SPEND TIME ON THAT? I SEE A POSSIBLE SHIFT BETWEEN DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT AND 15 MINUTE COMMUNITY. IT'S A LITTLE BIT IN CONFLICT IN MY MIND AND HOW THAT GETS PUT TOGETHER. AND CAN YOU DO BOTH AT THE SAME TIME? UM, SO THAT'S ONE OF THE CONCERNS I HAVE IS THAT, OH, THE GENERAL PLAN RIGHT NOW IS HEADING TO, OH, WE'RE GONNA DO ALL THESE THINGS AT THE SAME TIME MAYBE, OR DO WE HAVE TO PRIORITIZE AS WE GO ALONG? WHICH ONE ARE WE GOING TO DO MONEY IN 15 MINUTE COMMUNITIES OUTSIDE OF DOWNTOWN OR MONEY'S INTO DOWNTOWN? AND THEN ON, UM, AND THEN ON HOUSING FOR THE ARENA, NOT THIS CYCLE, BUT THE NEXT CYCLE AND THE CYCLE AFTER THAT IS STILL INCLUDING THE GENERAL PLAN. SO WITH THREE CYCLES OF ARENA, WILL THOSE CYCLES KIND OF SINCE INFILL WITH THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY, IS THERE ENOUGH SPACES AWAY FROM DOWNTOWN THAT WE COULD DO ALL OF OUR HOUSING OUTSIDE OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA? OR WILL WE NEED DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT IN THE NEXT 25 YEARS TO MEET THOSE FUTURE ARENA NUMBERS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE REQUIRED TO MEET? SO THAT'S WHERE, LIKE WHAT I'M PLAYING WITH IS, IS HOW WE ACTUALLY SUSS OUT WHERE TO PUT THE HOUSING IN TOWN HERE AND WHERE TO PUT THAT MONIES AND STAFF TIME. AND BECAUSE I SEE THAT POSSIBLY AS A LITTLE BIT OF A CONFLICT. AND SO I JUST THOUGHT I'D GET A GET YOUR FIELD TAKE OF WHAT YOU, YOU FEEL ABOUT WHAT I'M SAYING AND, AND, UM, HOUSING ARENA NUMBERS AND, AND WHERE TO PUT STAFF TIME AND EFFORT IN, INTO OUR DEVELOPMENT ZONES HERE. 'CAUSE HOW WE USE OUR LAND USE. 'CAUSE THAT'S SORT OF SETTING UP A PATTERN AND RIGHT NOW IS, OH, EVERYTHING IS A GO, BUT WE CAN'T GO EVERYWHERE AT THE SAME TIME. SO HOW ARE WE GONNA SET UP PRIORITIES IN, IN DECIDING WHERE ARE WE GONNA PUT THINGS AND WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? WHAT HAVE YOU HEARD AND WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS NOW FROM, FROM ALL THE, UM, ALL THE PEOPLE YOU'VE HEARD FROM START. UM, SO ONE THING I DO WANNA CLARIFY IS, AND WE'RE STARTING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT LAND USE, WHICH WE WEREN'T GONNA REALLY TALK ABOUT LAND USE, BUT, UM, JUST, I MEAN, NOT, WE WERE GONNA TALK ABOUT POLICIES, NOT LIKE THE DESIGNATIONS, BUT IN THE AREAS OF CHANGE AND IN THE DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES THAT ARE LAID OUT, [02:25:02] IT, THERE ARE CHOICES. AND SO THAT'S THE WORK AHEAD OF US IS MAKING THOSE CHOICES ON WHERE DO WE WANT IT TO GO? WHERE DO WE WANNA PRIORITIZE? UM, IT DOESN'T ALL HAVE TO HAPPEN AT THE HIGHEST INTENSITY LEVEL THAT'S PRESENTED IN THE ALTERNATIVES THAT ARE PRESENTED TO GET FEEDBACK, TO GET THOUGHT GOING, TO BE, YOU KNOW, THINKING ABOUT WHERE DO WE WANNA HAVE HIGHER, HIGHER INTENSITY, HIGHER DENSITY, ALL OF THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO I, I WANNA BE CLEAR ON THAT, THAT IT, THERE'S NOTHING IN THERE THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO GO HIGHEST INTENSITY IN EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE. AND SO WHEN WE DO COME BACK TO TALK TO COUNCIL, WE WILL, WE HAVE SOME INFORMATION ABOUT, UM, UH, POPULATION PROJECTIONS AND SOME OF THOSE FACTORS TO HELP, TO HELP THINK ABOUT THAT. UM, I DO BELIEVE THAT SOME OF THE INPUT WE GOT, THERE'S MORE OPENNESS IN SOME AREAS THAN OTHERS. AND AGAIN, THIS IS THE INFORMATION THAT WE WILL BE DISTILLING TO BRING BACK BEFORE COUNCIL. BUT FOR INSTANCE, THE AREAS CLOSEST TO THE SMART STATIONS HAVING MORE OF A, OF A APPETITE, UM, FOR MORE INTENSITY, OR I BELIEVE THERE WERE A FEW OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERS WHERE THERE SEEMED TO BE AN OPENNESS TO MORE, MORE DEVELOPMENT, UM, OPTIONS THAN, THAN OTHERS. OTHERS REALLY WANTING TO SAY, STAY SMALLER OR, UM, A LOWER INTENSITY. SO THOSE ARE A COUPLE THINGS THAT WE WILL BE THINKING ABOUT TO BRING BACK WHEN WE COME BACK TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT LAND USE IS EXACTLY THAT. PRIORITIZING, UM, COALESCING A LOT OF THE INPUT WE GOT FROM PLANNING COMMISSION FROM GPAC, FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AND POINTING OUT WHERE THERE WAS, UM, SIMILAR FEEDBACK WHERE THERE WERE DIFFERENCES OF FEEDBACK AND DIFFERENT WAYS WE CAN BE THINKING ABOUT THAT. VICE S MAYOR. I'LL JUST ADD, I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT THE OPPOSITE END OF THIS. WHERE ARE WE WANTING TO POTENTIALLY DEINTENSIFY OR KEEP, YOU KNOW, THE SAME? UM, AND SO WE'VE SPENT AS A, UM, COUNCIL, AS A COMMUNITY, AS STAFF, UM, OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, UH, WRESTLING WITH NEW MODELS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT FUTURE FLOODING AND SEA LEVEL RISE, UM, WHICH SUGGESTS THAT WE MAY WANT TO CONSIDER, UH, FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS, DEIN DE INTENSIFICATION OR A LACK OF INTENSIFICATION ON THE NORTH END OF TOWN. UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS SOMEWHAT IN CONFLICT WITH THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A NEW TRAIN STATION COMING ONLINE RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER, UM, ALSO ON, ON THE NORTH END OF TOWN. UM, SO I, IT'S IMPORTANT IF, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER, BARNACLE MENTIONED, UH, SORT OF VALUES BASED ENGAGEMENT, UM, WITH HIS REMARKS. UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE, WE AS A COMMUNITY, I THINK WHAT IS CRYSTAL CLEAR IS WE, UH, WANT TO PRESERVE OUR HISTORY. UM, AND PART OF THAT IS, UM, OUR CITY LIMITS OUR GROWTH BOUNDARY. SO IN ORDER TO KEEP THE GROWTH BOUNDARY INTACT, THERE ARE SOME REAL CONVERSATIONS AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR COUNCIL AND COMMUNITY AND STAFF, UM, TO CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, UM, YES, IT'LL LIKELY BOIL DOWN TO HEIGHT AND STORIES, UM, AS ONE WAY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT INTENSIFICATION IS. UM, AND THAT'S STILL AHEAD OF US, RIGHT? AS A COMMUNITY, UM, TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT GOES. I THINK, UM, JUST AN EARLY PREVIEW, A LOT OF IT IS, AS HEATHER POINTED OUT, IT'S, UM, TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT AROUND BOTH STATIONS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE DO STILL HAVE OPPORTUNITY SITES THAT ARE IN AND AROUND OUR DOWNTOWN STATION, WHICH ALSO HAPPENS TO BE, YOU KNOW, IN OUR DOWNTOWN . UM, SO THAT'S, UM, I, I I, I THINK JUST, UM, AN IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION TO HAVE. I DON'T BELIEVE OUR CURRENT ARENA. UM, YES, WE WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO NOT HAVE TO REZONE, UM, ANY SITES TO HIT THE BARE MINIMUM THRESHOLD OF WHAT STATE LAW REQUIRES. UM, BUT WHAT, AGAIN, IS CRYSTAL CLEAR IS WE WANT TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT, UM, FOR A LOT OF GOOD REASONS FOR HOUSING STABILITY, HOUSING AFFORDABILITY, PRESERVATION, UM, TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, GOOD WORKFORCE, UM, HOUSING AND OPPORTUNITIES, UH, FOR PEOPLE LIKE OUR, UM, TEACHERS. UM, AND THEN ALSO JUST A, A COMMENT JUST ABOUT THE, UM, NO HOUSING [02:30:01] DOWNTOWN. UM, AND THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE'RE SEEING, UM, THE ACTIVITY, UM, THE REDEVELOPMENT, THE INVESTMENT IS HOUSING IN OUR DOWNTOWN OR JUST ON THE FRINGE, UM, OF OUR DOWNTOWN. SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULDN'T CHARACTERIZE IT AS, YOU KNOW, WE AREN'T WANTING TO PROMOTE HOUSING, DOWNTOWN HOUSING EXISTS DOWNTOWN, UM, FOR A LOT OF GOOD REASONS. WE WANT, YOU KNOW, THE INFILL, UM, AROUND OUR AMENITIES DOWNTOWN IS, IS REALLY A TRUE 15 MINUTE CITY, UM, ALREADY NATURALLY. UM, AND SO THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK COMES UP IN THAT DISCUSSION. UM, BUT AGAIN, THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES DOWNTOWN FOR HOUSING. UM, NOW, UM, AGAIN, AS YOU MENTIONED, WE'RE SORT OF HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW TO CREATE MORE OPPORTUNITIES DOWNTOWN. UM, AND PART OF THIS DISCUSSION IS YOU HAVE THE MAPS BEHIND YOU, UM, IT'LL START TO CRYSTALLIZE, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE WANNA FOCUS. UM, AND IT THAT'S DOWNTOWN, IT'S THROUGH THIS CORRIDOR APPROACH. UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF DISCUSSION AROUND WASHINGTON, UM, AS WELL AS NORTH AND SOUTH END OF THE BOULEVARD, UH, UP AND DOWN MCDOWELL WE'RE ABOUT TO KICK OFF A SPECIFIC PLAN, UM, TO REALIZE SOME REDEVELOPMENT, UM, ALONG THE CORRIDOR. UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE INCREMENTALLY INCREASE SOME DENSITY IN, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL THE YELLOW, RIGHT? ALL THE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE, UM, UM, ALL THROUGHOUT TOWN. AND SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING. WE DON'T HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING ALL AT ONCE. UM, THAT SAID, THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT IT HOLISTICALLY, UM, THROUGH THIS PROCESS. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON. I JUST WANNA FOLLOW UP WITH, UM, THE DISCUSSION WE HAD EARLIER WAS ABOUT THE FLOODING. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I KIND OF, WHAT I'M FOCUSING ON A LOT OF OF AREAS, ESPECIALLY, UM, FROM THE LYNCH CREEK TRAIL NORTH. AND, AND I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING, WE JUST REALLY NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE FLOODING IN THESE AREAS AND HOW WE'RE GONNA PROTECT DOWNTOWN FROM FUTURE FLOODING. BECAUSE THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS PRO ALWAYS SAID, WE'RE UPSTREAM DEVELOPMENT, WE'RE DOWNSTREAM IN THE DOWNTOWN THERE WOULD BE FLOODING. AND SO I THINK THAT, UM, IT'S REALLY, IM IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN I LOOK AT, UM, UM, LIKE GREEN SPACES FOR PEOPLE, UM, THAT IS AN OPPORTUNITY AREA MAYBE TO, UM, LOOK INTO SO WE CAN DEVELOP IN OTHER AREAS AND WE'RE NOT FLOODING PEOPLE OUT. AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NO HOUSING IT, ARE WE GETTING INTO A SLIPPERY SLOPE LIKE IN DOWNTOWN? I MEAN THAT IT'S EXCLUSIONARY AND HOW DOES THAT, YOU KNOW, WHERE DOES THAT TAKE US LEGALLY IF WE'RE ALL OF A SUDDEN EXCLUDING IN CERTAIN AREAS AND AND PUSHING FOR OTHER AREAS? IS THERE ANY LEGAL ISSUES THAT THE CITY COULD RUN INTO? WELL, UM, I, I THINK THAT WE'LL JUST HAVE TO BE LOOKING AT THAT QUESTION IN CONTEXT. I THINK IT'S GONNA COME DOWN TO, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE GOALS MATCH UP WITH FULFILLMENT OF OUR, UM, OBLIGATIONS TO PROVIDE HOUSING. UM, IT'S GONNA BE, SOME OF, SOME OF THAT IS GONNA BE CONTROLLED BY THE NEW, UH, VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED RUBRIC, UM, FOR HOW, UM, VEHICLE IMPACTS ARE MEASURED AND ANALYZED. IT'S NO LONGER LEVELS OF SERVICE LIKE WE'RE USED TO INTO THE EXISTING GENERAL PLAN. SO, UM, WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT THOSE THINGS TOGETHER. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, WE, WE, UM, THERE'S TREMENDOUS, YOU KNOW, RIGHTLY SO TREMENDOUS VALUE PLACED ON THE HISTORIC RESOURCES IN THE CITY. THERE'S PRESERVING THOSE. UM, SO THERE'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, IT'S A BUNCH, BUNCH OF THINGS TO CONSIDER THAT I THINK WILL PROBABLY BE BEST AND MOST EASILY CONSIDERED IN CONTEXT TOGETHER. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WE'LL LOOK AT IT. OKAY. UM, COUNCIL MEMBER, JUST WHAT I WOULD EXPECT, I'LL, I'LL ADD ONE THING. UM, I THINK WE'VE MENTIONED THIS A FEW TIMES, JUST THIS CONCEPT OF NO NET LOSS. AND SO I THINK IT'S WORTH MENTIONING AS WE START TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION OF WHERE TO, YOU KNOW, FOCUS, GROWTH OR EVOLUTION OF THE CITY, UH, TO MATCH THE VISION AND VALUE OF, OF, UM, OF OUR COUNCIL AND OUR COMMUNITY. UM, [02:35:01] IF, IF WE CHOOSE TO PULL BACK SOME SORT OF RESIDENTIAL ON, YOU KNOW, UH, ONE PART OF TOWN WITH RESPECT TO FLOODING, UM, WE HAVE TO BALANCE THAT WITH THE CONTEXT OF STATE LAW THAT REQUIRES US TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU PULL, PULL IT AWAY FROM THIS SIDE, YOU KINDA HAVE TO BRING IT UP OVER HERE, UM, SO THAT THERE'S, YOU'RE STILL MAINTAINING THAT BALANCE. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S A THEME THAT WE'LL CONTINUE TO TOUCH ON AS WE START TO TALK ABOUT THE LAND USE MAP. OKAY. I APPRECIATE THAT. AND THEN WHEN I WAS AT MY SCTA MEETING THE OTHER DAY, UM, SOMEBODY WAS TALKING ABOUT, UM, SCHOOL PROPERTIES AND HOUSING, AND I JUST THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE LOOK AT THE BENEFITS OF SCHOOL PROPERTIES FOR ACTUALLY HOUSING FOR TEACHERS, FIREFIGHTERS, AND FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS, BASICALLY. 'CAUSE IT SEEMS AS THOUGH THERE WAS A 15 MINUTE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER ON ONE OF THOSE PROPERTIES, AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE A BETTER USE FOR HOUSING, BUT, BUT SPECIFICALLY FOR SCHOOL PROPERTIES, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, UH, WHAT YOU CAN DO ON SCHOOL PROPERTIES VERSUS OTHER PROPERTIES? AND I WAS JUST GONNA ADD ALSO THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERS, THEY'RE NOT EXCLUSIVE OF, OF HOUSING. THEY ARE LOOKING AT INTRODUCING THOSE, THOSE USES THAT PEOPLE WANNA SEE IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT MAYBE THERE'S HOUSING ON TOP OR, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S THAT ABILITY TO, TO MIX THEM AND TO THE NO HOUSING DOWNTOWN AND KIND OF TO COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLES POINT ABOUT VALUES AND OUR LAND USE. WHEN WE DID THE VISION, THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES, UM, THERE WERE, THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION IN THERE AND THAT WAS CREATED BY THE COMMUNITY, UM, YOU KNOW, PRESENTED EARLY ON TO MAKE SURE WE WERE ALL UNDERSTOOD THE VISION THAT WE WERE WORKING TOWARDS. AND THERE'S A LOT IN THERE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HAVING HOUSING CENTRALIZED, UM, CLOSE TO TRANSIT, CLOSE TO SERVICES, REDUCING V MTS, ALL OF THOSE KIND OF THINGS. SO IT'S, IT'S THAT PUSH PULL WITH, WITH, WITH HOW WE, UM, CREATE A, A PREFERRED LAND USE PATTERN FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT IS IN KEEPING WITH THOSE VALUES THAT WE IDENTIFIED AS WELL. I APPRECIATE THAT. COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY. THANK YOU. SO, UM, I GUESS ONE OF MY, I'M GONNA CHARACTERIZE THIS AS A POLICY QUESTION, SO I'M GONNA PRETEND IT'S NOT A LAND USE ISSUE, UM, , BUT I THINK ONE OF MY ISSUES WAS SIMILAR TO WHAT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER REBS WAS, UM, WAS ARTICULATING ABOUT HOW THIS GENERAL PLAN HAS TO ACCOMMODATE BASICALLY THREE OR THREE AND A QUARTER ARENA CYCLES. AND, YOU KNOW, MY CRYSTAL BALL ISN'T ANY BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE'S AS TO WHETHER THE NUMBERS ARE GONNA GO UP OR PLATEAU OR GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT. BUT I, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A, AN HONEST DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW WE ACCOMMODATE THREE AND A QUARTER ARENA CYCLES WORTH OF HOUSING IN THIS 25 YEAR GENERAL PLAN. UM, AND WITHIN THAT, I'M HOPING THERE, I I, I DON'T HAVE A, I DON'T HAVE A, AN ANSWER ON THIS ONE, BUT I HOPE THERE CAN BE, UH, A DISCUSSION OF DIFFERENT, UM, HOUSING TYPES, IN PARTICULAR OWNER OWNERSHIP VERSUS RENTAL. UM, BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THE DEFAULT POSITION IS WE JUST WANTED TO BUILD A HUNDRED PERCENT APARTMENT. UM, I THINK WE WOULD LIKE TO DO A MIX, UM, FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS. UM, YEAH, SO THAT'S, AND, AND, AND KIND OF RELATED TO THAT, UM, I DID GO TO THE WORKSHOP AT, AT LUCCHESE, AND IT WAS VERY INTERESTING TO WALK AROUND THE ROOM AND SEE ALL THE INTERESTING THINGS THAT WERE UP ON THE WALL. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I ASKED AT A COUPLE OF THE STOPS WAS, YOU KNOW, HAS THE CITY OUTREACH TO THESE MAJOR PROPERTY OWNERS? IF YOU OUTREACH TO, UM, SIMON GROUP, THE OWNER OF THE OUTLET MALL, IF YOU OUTREACH TO WASHIN WASHINGTON SQUARE OR PLAZA NORTH OR PLAZA SOUTH, SOME OF WHOM DON'T HAVE PARTICULARLY FRIENDLY THOUGHTS ABOUT THE CITY FOR VARIOUS REASONS GOING BACK, BUT, BUT ALSO SOME OF THOSE PROPERTIES HAVE BEEN IN THE SAME OWNERSHIP FOR MULTIPLE DECADES, AND I DON'T THINK WE CAN REALLY EXPECT THEM TO BE CHANGING. SO I, I THINK IT'S, IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO OUTREACH TO THEM AND JUST PICK THEIR BRAINS AND SEE WHAT THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO BE OPEN TO IN, IN THE FUTURE. UM, AND ON THE, ON THE OUTLET MALL, WHEN I WAS A LITTLE BIT TAKEN ABACK TO SEE HOUSING BEING PROPOSED THERE, UM, THIS IS AN AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH OF THE OUTLET MALL DURING A FLOODING EVENT. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL THE, ALL THE BUILDINGS WERE UNDERWATER OR THERE HAD WATER IN THEM IN THE PARKING LOTS WERE [02:40:01] FLOODED. SO, YOU KNOW, UNLESS THERE'S SOME IDEA AS TO HOW TO RESOLVE THE FLOODING ISSUE THERE. AND, AND JUST FOR THE, I KNOW PEOPLE THINK I'VE BEEN ON THE COUNCIL FOR A LONG TIME, BUT I WAS NOT ON THE COUNCIL WHEN THAT, WHEN THAT THING GOT APPROVED , IT WAS BEFORE MY TIME. UM, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I'D BE VERY SKEPTICAL OF TRYING TO PUT HOUSING ON THAT SITE UNLESS THERE'S SOME CLEVER FIX, WHICH WOULD ALLUDE ME AS TO HOW THAT COULD WORK. UM, AND THEN, LET'S SEE, I, I WAS GLAD TO SEE THAT, UH, IN, IN THE, IN THE POWERPOINT THERE WAS, UM, SOME SKEPTICISM RAISED ABOUT, I MEAN, I, I, THE, I LOVE THE IDEA OF THE 15 COMMUNI 15 MINUTE COMMUNITY, BUT I THINK SOME OF THESE ACTIVITY CENTERS ARE, UM, MORE WISHFUL THINKING THAN REALITY. AND I, I WAS GLAD TO SEE SOME SKEPTICISM AROUND THAT, BUT I'M, I'M WONDER WONDERING HOW YOU GROUND TRUTH HIM? I, I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU TALK TO IF YOU TALK TO BUSINESS OWNERS OR IF YOU TALK TO LEASING PEOPLE OR, OR, OR WHOEVER WHO YOU TALK TO. BUT, UH, I, I, I DON'T WANT US TO BE APPROVING A DOCUMENT THAT HAS THINGS IN THERE THAT ARE JUST KIND OF WISHFUL THINKING AND, AND NOT THINGS THAT HAVE A, A POSSIBILITY OF ACTUALLY HAPPENING. AND THEN MY FINAL POINT IS, UM, AS THE CITY ATTORNEY MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THE STATE IS REQUIRING THIS TO MOVE FROM LEVEL OF SERVICE TO VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED FOR, UM, SE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS. BUT I BELIEVE THERE ARE SOME JURISDICTIONS THAT CONTINUE TO DO BOTH, JUST SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE LOS IS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US DO THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, VMT IS WHAT IT IS AND, BUT A TWO MILE TRIP IS GONNA BE A TWO MILE TRIP, AND IT DOESN'T REALLY CARE IF IT TAKES 10 MINUTES OR 40 MINUTES. UM, AND I THINK THE COMMUNITY DOES CARE ABOUT THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I'LL STOP THERE FOR NOW. THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER. NOW. UM, THANK YOU. UM, I PARTICIPATED IN 2022 AT THE FAIRGROUNDS, AND IT WAS, I CAN'T BELIEVE I LUMA FASTER. ONE OF THE PLAN FEST ANYWAYS ON 15 MINUTE CITIES. DID WE, AND I KNOW THERE WAS A, UM, EMAIL SENT BY THE GROUP THAT PUT IT ON. DID WE USE THAT INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY IN, UM, OUR LOOKING AHEAD TO THE FUTURE? UM, BECAUSE IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING TO SEE DIFFERENT PEOPLE LOOKING AT THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AND IDENTIFYING WHERE THEY HAVE TO TRAVEL, YOU KNOW, AND THEY, AND THEN THE SENIORS ARE SAYING, WELL, YEAH, IT TAKES ME 15 MINUTES TO JUST GET OUTTA MY CAR AND GET MY WALKER. SO WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY THAT GROWING POPULATION OF, UM, THE SENIORS, UM, NOT JUST FAMILIES WHICH WE WANNA ENCOURAGE, BUT ALSO THE, THE SENIORS NEEDS AND THE AGING IN PLACE BECAUSE THAT'S A GROWING POPULATION. AND WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE TEACHERS AND EMERGENCY WORKERS AND CITY STAFF AND HOSPITAL WORKERS TO LIVE IN PETALUMA AND HAVING MORE OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITH THE, UM, FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS. ANOTHER THING THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT FOR HOUSING DOWNTOWN IS LIKE WHAT WE DID WITH THE PHILLIPS SWEDES SCHOOL. WE TOOK AN EXISTING OLDER BUILDING AND MADE IT, UM, I BELIEVE THEIR CONDOS. SO THEY ARE FOR SALE. SO THAT'S A GREAT FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS, UM, IF, IF THEY CAN AFFORD IT. BUT IF WE DO , TONGUE IN CHEEK THERE ANYWAY, THE, UM, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT IS EXISTING BUILDINGS THAT COULD BE RENOVATED AND USED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN OUR DOWNTOWN AREA. AND THEN, UM, IN MY DISTRICT, WHICH IS SOUTHEAST PETALUMA, WE, WE HAVE TO TRAVEL PRETTY FAR FOR OUR SERVICES. UM, , THE LUMA GO DOESN'T EVEN COME TO MY AREA. UM, THERE'S NOT A LOT THERE ABOUT HOUSING, AND IT WAS BECAUSE IT WAS BUILT DURING THE, UM, SIXTIES AND SEVENTIES WHEN, UM, FAMILIES NEEDED HOUSING AND THEY JUST STARTED BUILDING, AND THEN THE SCHOOLS WENT INTO DOUBLE SESSION AND, AND THE REST IS HISTORY. BUT ANYWAY, WE WANT TO THINK AHEAD TO THE NEEDS IN 20 TO 25 YEARS. UM, I THINK WE DID A REALLY GOOD JOB 20 YEARS AGO, AND THEN I EVEN DUG OUT THE, THE LOOK AT HOW SMALL THIS IS. THIS WAS FROM 1987 TO 2005, AND I THINK OUR LAND USE IS ALL THIS SIZE RIGHT NOW. SO THE STAFF HAS DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE IT GO A LITTLE BIT FARTHER, UM, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES [02:45:01] TO THOSE 15 MINUTE CITIES, UM, COMMUNITIES AND NEIGHBORHOODS AND WHAT WE CAN DO TO UTILIZE EXISTING BUILDINGS. UM, THERE WAS THAT, UM, COMMUNITY EVENT, THE KNOW BEFORE YOU GROW PRESENTED, AND THAT SHOWED INNER CITIES USING IT FOR, UM, NOT JUST HOUSING, BUT MIXED USE. THANKS. THANK YOU. AND, UM, I'D LIKE TO JUST, UM, APPRECIATE WHAT SOME OF THE COMMENTS YOU JUST MADE. I KNOW WE HEARD THE OTHER DAY THAT, UH, THAT SONOMA COUNTY IS ALREADY 28% OVER 60 YEARS OLD AND WHATEVER THE COUNTY DOES, WE TRY AND OVERACHIEVE. SO I'M SURE WE'RE OVER THAT STATISTIC AND THAT THEY FEEL THAT WE'RE A THIRD OVER 60 BY 2030. SO I MEAN, WE, YEAH, WE ARE AGING AND, AND IT SHOWS UP. UH, A LOT OF THAT IS HOUSE PRICE RELATED AND WHY YOUNG PEOPLE DON'T MOVE HERE, WHICH IS SAD. I ALSO WANTED A, A PLUS THE, UM, FACTORY OUTLETS BEING JUST A HORRIBLE PLACE FOR HOUSING. UM, AND NOT JUST BECAUSE IT FLOODS. I MEAN, THAT SHOULD BE ENOUGH, BUT, UM, BUT ALSO IT'S A DETACHED ELEMENT OF, UH, OF WHAT WE'RE DOING. AND, AND I, I DON'T SEE ALLOWING THAT ISLAND TO EXIST IF THE CORRIDOR DOESN'T PROCEED IT. AND SO, I MEAN, WE TALK ABOUT THE WHOLE CORRIDOR, MAYBE SOMEDAY SOMETHING, BUT, UM, BUT I WOULDN'T INCLUDE THE OUTLET TILL AFTER THAT. UM, ON, ON THE OTHER HAND, UH, THE HOUSING IDEAS ON, UM, ON EXISTING SHOPPING CENTERS, UM, THOSE ARE GREAT IDEAS TO, TO, TO MIX USE ON ALL THE POLICIES THAT ARE SUPPORTING THAT, REALLY, REALLY LIKING THOSE. BUT I'M KIND OF TOSSED ABOUT THE 15 MINUTE NEIGHBORHOOD. I, I VERY MUCH LIKE THE IDEA OF THE WALKABILITY PART AND THE ACCESSIBILITY PART, BUT I THINK WE'RE OVERSELLING WHAT SERVICES COULD EVER BE WITHIN YOUR 15 MINUTES. YOU KNOW, WE'RE HOPING THAT WE CAN GET EVERYWHERE BY WALKING, BUT WE SHOULD BETTER DEFINE, WE PART OF YOUR DAY IS WITHIN 15 MINUTES RATHER THAN BLANKETLY OFFERING THAT YOUR LIFE COULD BE WITH A 15 MINUTE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, I THINK IT JUST NEEDS CLARIFICATION. I DON'T THINK THE IDEA IS WRONG. I, I, I, I'M VERY HOPEFUL ON THE IDEA THAT WE CAN GET AROUND LIKE THAT. UM, AND IN THE QUESTION ABOUT WHAT SHOULD BE PRIORITY PRIORITIZED, I THINK THE ONLY THING WE CAN PRIORITIZE IS WHAT WE HAVE CONTROL OVER. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE PARK TYPE THINGS, UM, AND IMPROVING A PARK AMENITY AT 15 MINUTE, TH THOSE ONES ARE WITHIN OUR CONTROL AND WE NEED TO, UH, GO FOR IT. BUT THE ONES THAT, AND IT, AND ACTUALLY I THINK SOME OF THE 15 MINUTE WENT SIDEWAYS TO INCLUDE SO MUCH HOUSING IN THE 15 MINUTE, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA OF GETTING A BODEGA SOMEWHERE, GETTING SOME, YOU KNOW, UH, SOME DEVELOPMENT SOMEWHERE IS MORE POSSIBLE THAN ADDING FOUR STORIES INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU KNOW, I THINK WE MIGHT THROW OUT THE 15 MINUTE PART BECAUSE THE DEVELOPMENT PART DOESN'T WORK, BUT WE HAVE TO WRITE POLICIES TO ALLOW FOR BOTH. BUT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T OVERSELL WHAT THE 15 MINUTE COULD BE. UM, AND I THINK I, I WOULD LOVE AT THE, TO LEAD WITH SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF, UM, THE GROWTH WE SEE IS AT A CERTAIN RATE AND ALL THE PROBLEMS WE SEE ARE FROM THE EXISTING, UH, UM, ENVIRONMENT. WHO WE ARE NOW IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO CHANGE. DEVELOPMENT IS ONLY CHANGING SOME SMALL PORTION OF IT. AND I KNOW AT PLANNING THEY TALKED ABOUT THIS, IS THAT MAYBE CITY CAPITAL PROJECTS IS WHAT'S GONNA ACHIEVE ALL THIS GREAT VISION. YOU KNOW, IF WE BUILD A CORRIDOR INTO THE CITY, THEN ALL ARCHITECTURE THAT FLOWS FROM WHAT WE BUILT WOULD BE COOL. BUT, UM, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO TELL PEOPLE THAT THE GENERAL PLAN HOUSING PART IS DIFFERENT THAN THEIR UNHAPPINESS WITH THE EXISTING PART. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE CAME TO US WITH VISION OF WHAT THE CHANGE THAT DOESN'T WORK TODAY, BUT IT HAS TO BE FUNDED BY THE PEOPLE OF TODAY. AND SO I I, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE THAT BEING HIGHLIGHTED QUITE ENOUGH. UM, UH, THERE WAS DISCUSSIONS OF CORRIDORS I WOULD LOVE IF THE CORRIDORS WERE, UM, A LITTLE MORE CALLED OUT, UM, CASA GRANDE ELI COFFEE AS, AS AREAS OF TREMENDOUS IMPROVEMENT. 'CAUSE IF WE DO IMPROVEMENT IN THOSE AREAS, THEN MAYBE WE GET THE 15 MINUTE THING GOING WITH YOU. I MEAN, THE SYNERGY BETWEEN THOSE IDEAS IS STRONG. AND, AND AS A REPORT NOTICE THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT ARE IN CONTRADICTION TO EACH OTHER IN POLICIES OR IN, YOU KNOW, IN, IN TONE. UM, LIKE IT SAYS WE SHOULD INCENTIVIZE RIVER DEVELOPMENT AND IT SAYS WE SHOULD PROTECT THE RIVER FROM DEVELOPMENT. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S ABSOLUTELY APPROPRIATE WHERE SPECIFIC, BUT MORE CAVEATS SHOULD BE MADE WHEN THOSE THINGS COME UP IN A, [02:50:01] IN A LEGITIMATE QUESTION FOR PLANNING. UM, I WAS LOOKING AT MU ONE AND MU TWO, UM, THEY HAVE A, AN FAR OF 2.5 AND A DENSITY OF 30, BUT ONE SAYS IT COULD BE FOUR STORIES AND ONE SAYS IT COULD BE TWO STORIES. DOESN'T, THAT SEEMS LIKE A DISCONNECT TO ME. WHAT, UM, HOW, HOW DOES IT WORK TO HAVE TWO ZONINGS THAT HAVE THE SAME DENSITY AND DIFFERENT STORY HEIGHTS? IF YOU DON'T MIND, CAN WE HOLD THAT FOR WHEN WE COME BACK? BECAUSE PART OF WHAT WE WANNA COME BACK TO YOU TO IS SOME REVISIONS TO THE DESIGNATIONS AND THE ASSOCIATED STANDARDS BASED ON SOME OF THE FEEDBACK WE GOT, AND THEN SPECIFICALLY WHERE THOSE DIFFERENT DESIGNATIONS ARE APPROPRIATE TO BE APPLIED ACROSS THOSE. THE OTHER ONE TO TAG INTO THAT IS, IS DENSITY A RANGE? IS THERE A MIN AND A MAX? I MEAN, IS IS THAT NEW? A MIN AND A MAX? I MEAN, BEFORE WE JUST HAVE A MAX, OR WE CURRENTLY HAVE, UM, MOST OF OUR ZONES HAVE A MIN, A MINIMUM, AND A MAXIMUM. UM, SOME OF OUR, OUR MIXED USE DOESN'T HAVE A MINIMUM, BUT HAS A MAXIMUM EXCEPT FOR WHEN YOU'RE IN THE SMART CODE AREA AND THEN THERE'S NO MAXIMUM. SO WE'VE GOT ALL, ALL, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF IT. UM, AND, AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'VE BEEN SPENDING A LOT OF TIME TALKING WITH, UM, THE GENERAL PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE ABOUT IS DO YOU HAVE MINIMUMS AND MAXIMUMS? DO YOU ONLY HAVE ONE? DO YOU DO FAR FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE ALL LAND USES COMBINED OR IS IT JUST THE COMMERCIAL PORTION OR, YOU KNOW, SO THIS IS A LOT OF WHAT WE DUG IN DEEP WITH, WITH THE GENERAL PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM. THANK YOU. YEAH. UM, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER THING I SEE IS WITH ALL THIS VISION, UM, IT'S USUALLY, UM, BASED ON ONE'S OWN PERSPECTIVE FROM WHERE THEY STAND. AND ONE COMMENT TO THAT IS, EQUITY IS MENTIONED IN ONE PLACE AND NOT IN ALL PLACES. I, I'D LIKE TO KIND OF MAKE IT MORE UNDERSTOOD THAT THAT'S UNDERLYING EVERYTHING AND EQUITY AND ACCESS AND, AND PUNCHING IT UP IN ONE PLACE MINIMIZES IT FOR THE OTHER PLACES. AND I, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T LIKE THAT. AND MORE ON THAT PERSPECTIVE, UM, A LOT, THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT, WELL, THIS IS A SINGLE FAMILY, UM, HOUSING EXISTING DEVELOPMENT, BUT THROUGHOUT THE WEST SIDE IT'S SO MIXED UP WITH, UM, APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT ARE GO ON DUPLEXES AND SPLITS AND WHATNOT. DO WE HAVE, OR COULD WE HAVE LIKE SOMETHING OF A HEAT MAP THAT SHOWS, UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE ALL, WHERE THE MULTI MULTIFAMILY IS AND HOW BLENDED IT IS? IS THERE A GRAPHIC? 'CAUSE I THINK PEOPLE WOULD APPRECIATE A GRAPHIC OF THAT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, OVER THE YEARS WE HAVEN'T ONLY DONE ONE THING, BUT MAYBE SINCE THE EIGHTIES WE'VE ONLY DONE ONE THING . SO, UM, AND, AND I THINK I'M HAVING TOO MUCH FUN AND SHOULD PASS OVER TO, UH, THE VICE MAYOR FOR A MINUTE. MR. MAYOR DENNIS, TURN FIRST. OH, SORRY. SAW YOUR HAND WAVED. COUNCIL MEMBERS POSE. OKAY. SORRY. ONCE YOU GOT HALFWAY OVER HERE, I DIDN'T THINK THAT I NEEDED TO RAISE MY HAND OR ANYTHING, SO I'M SORRY. UH, BUT, UH, YEAH, I, YOU KNOW, I, I TRIED TO THINK MOSTLY IN TERMS OF THE POLICIES, AND I THINK THE POLICIES IN GENERAL ARE GREAT. YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE MANY CONCERNS ABOUT THE POLICIES. I LIKE THE FREQUENCY OF CALLING FOR FLEXIBILITY AND, AND DIVERSITY AND, UM, I, UH, I, AND I DON'T, I I THINK IT'S GOOD THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT I DON'T FEEL THAT YOU OR ANYONE WHO'S WRITING PART OF THIS LOCKING US INTO, UH, WHETHER IT IS, UH, ACTIVITY CENTERS OR TOWN CENTERS 50, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, UH, I'M SURE IN THE END WE'LL HAVE AT LEAST ONE OF EACH OF THESE THINGS THAT WE, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT WE FEEL MAKES THAT DEFINITION AND PROBABLY MORE. BUT I'D HATE TO LOCK US INTO ANYTHING. I THINK IT, YOU KNOW, I THINK PART OF THAT IS THE CONCERNS THAT I THINK THE MAYOR MENTIONED ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAD SOME, WE HAD SOME 15 MINUTE CENTERS SOME YEARS AGO THAT, THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOST TO, UH, SAFEWAY OR, OR OR SUCH. AND, UH, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA WORK EVERYWHERE, BUT I THINK IT'S WORTH THE OF, OF TRYING. AND, UH, AGAIN, FLEXIBILITY ABOVE ALL, I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T MEAN TO DEMEAN, UH, THE PLANNING PROFESSION, YOU KNOW, BUT, UH, WHERE WE END UP EVEN 10 YEARS FROM NOW, HAVE NEVER MADE 25 IS, IS, UH, I THINK VERY HARD TO PREDICT. DEPENDS ON SO MANY THINGS OUT OF OUR CONTROL, AS PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED IN TERMS OF STATE LAWS AND, AND, AND WHAT ELSE HAPPENS IN THE WORLD. UM, SO, UH, UH, I, I LIKE THE POLICIES. I DON'T GET INTO ANY CONCERNS [02:55:01] UNTIL I GET INTO THE, UH, GOALS, IF YOU WILL. UH, AND, UH, AND I JUST, UH, UM, I'M HAPPY EVERY TIME I SEE THE WORD, THE WORDS, UH, FLEXIBILITY AND DIVERSITY SO THAT WE CAN BE PREPARED FOR A LITTLE BETTER FOR WHATEVER HAPPENS. THANKS. YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT ABOUT THE 15 MINUTE NEIGHBORHOODS NOW THAT, UH, SEVEN 11 IS CLOSED, SO, SO MANY, UH, AND INCLUDING MY 15 MINUTE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT REALLY CHANGES THE MIX OF WHAT WE THINK IS FEASIBLE OR, UH, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIALLY VIABLE BACK TO YOU AND THANK YOU. UM, ONE OF MY CONCERNS THAT HAVE RISEN OVER TIME, UH, BECAUSE I'M ALSO ON THE, UH, UH, CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION AND I'VE BEEN STUDYING CLIMATE CHANGE A LONG TIME, AND I REALLY LIKE THE BLUEPRINT THAT WE HAVE NOW THAT THAT'S VERY, UM, UM, IT, IT, IT'S REALLY ALMOST OVER THE TOP. IT'S EXPECTATIONS AND GOALS. IT'S REALLY A GOOD AND HIGH, VERY, VERY HIGH EXPECTATIONS. IT'S PIONEERING IS, IS ONE PERSON PUT IT. AND AT THE SAME TIME, I'M LOOKING AT OUR GENERAL PLAN, WHICH IS IN A DIFFERENT WAY ALSO PIONEERING AND DOING VARIOUS THINGS. MY CONCERN IS A MISMATCH IN HOW OUR GENERAL PLAN WILL ACTUALLY REACH THE CLIMATE ACTION GOALS THAT WE'VE SET IN OUR FRAMEWORK FOR, FOR THAT. SO THERE IS, UM, BECAUSE I SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING IS WITH OUR GENERAL PLAN, WE'RE, IT'S ALMOST LIKE CLIMATE LIGHT, NOT REALLY CLIMATE PIONEERING. UM, SO, AND IF WE HAVE THE FRAMEWORKS, WHAT WE WANNA DO FOR, OR THE BLUEPRINT NOW THAT WE WANNA BE PIONEERING IN THIS AND GETTING THOSE POLICIES INTEGRATED ENOUGH SO THAT WE ACTUALLY REACH THE GOALS THAT WE ARE SETTING FOR OURSELVES FOR CLIMATE ACTIONS, THAT THE GENERAL POLICY OR THE GENERAL PLAN IS NOWHERE NEAR THAT. THAT'S MY DANGER CONCERN, IS THAT WE CAN DO EVERYTHING IN THE GENERAL PLAN. WE STILL DON'T REACH OUR CLIMATE GOALS BECAUSE IT'S NOT ENOUGH. UM, SO, SO I SEE A LITTLE MISMATCH, UH, BETWEEN THE TWO. AND SO I'M CONCERNED WHEN YOU TRY TO TAKE ONE AND INTEGRATE IT IN AND SAY, OH, WE'RE GOING, OKAY, SO HOW CAN WE ACTUALLY GET TO A GENERAL PLAN THAT WILL ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISH THE 85% REDUCTION IN, IN, IN VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED BY, BY GAS GUZZLING CARS WITHIN 20, WITHIN 10, 15 YEARS, IN OUR GENERAL PLAN, WHICH IS FOR 25 YEARS. SO, UM, THAT'S A HUGE MISMATCH. AND SO THAT'S ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS THAT WE WE'RE SETTING OURSELVES UP FOR FAILURE, UM, RATHER THAN SAYING, OKAY, SOME PRAC, THERE'S SEEMS TO SOME PRACTICALITIES AS WELL AS SOME PIONEERING GOAL REACHING, BUT WE NEED TO SEE IT BLENDED. AND, AND IT'S GONNA BE VERY, VERY DIFFICULT, I THINK FOR YOU GUYS TO PUT THOSE TWO TOGETHER PROPERLY. SO ANYWAY, I JUST WANNA HEAR BACK YOUR, YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT. IT'S A TALL ORDER, THAT'S FOR SURE. UM, AND NO OFFENSE TAKEN COUNCIL MEMBER PO ADE JUST ABOUT, UH, PLANNING BEING IMPERFECT. I MEAN, I, YOU KNOW, THE BEST LAID PLANS, UM, SOMETIMES DON'T ALWAYS COME TO FRUITION, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA FEEL GOOD ABOUT THE PROCESS AND, UM, MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, UM, BEING RESPONSIVE TO THE COMMUNITY AND COUNCIL. UM, SO VICE MAYOR, JUST TO YOUR QUESTION, THAT'S THE REASON WHY THE BLUEPRINT IS SOMEWHAT, UH, A LITTLE BIT FURTHER ALONG IS WE WANTED TO GET THE BLUEPRINT IN FRONT OF COUNCIL, UM, AND IN FRONT OF ALL OF OUR STAKEHOLDERS, UM, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND THE URGENCY AND THE PRIORITY, UH, TO GET OUR CLIMATE, UM, OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES, UM, CORRECT. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, GET THE BALL ROLLING. UM, AND SO THE, THIS NEXT, UM, ITERATION, SO WE'RE THROUGH THE, THE JOINT, UM, HEARING ON THE DRAFT. AND SO, UM, WE'RE COMING TO COUNCIL SHORTLY. UM, THE IDEA ON THE MARRYING OF EFFORTS, SO THAT'S OUR CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. UM, GENERAL PLAN DOES ABSOLUTELY TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, UM, AND INCORPORATES THE PLAN. AND THEN ULTIMATELY THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT IS GOING TO PULL, UH, CLIMATE ACTION WITH, UH, WITH OUR GENERAL PLAN. UM, BUT THAT AGAIN, THAT'S WHY WE WANNA HAVE THAT IMPORTANT DISCUSSION ON THE BLUEPRINT AHEAD SO THAT WHEN, YOU KNOW, AS, UH, WE'RE FINALIZING THE LAND USE, UH, MAP, WHICH IS EXPECTED TO COME TO YOU EARLY, UM, NEXT YEAR, UM, WE, IT'S GOING TO BE INFORMED BY WHAT COUNCIL DISCUSSES, UM, WITH RESPECT TO TO CLIMATE. UM, AND SO, UM, ALL THE THINGS ABOUT VMT LEVEL OF SERVICE, UM, THESE ARE REALLY CRITICAL, UM, TO, UM, YOU KNOW, WALKING THE WALK, TALKING [03:00:01] THE TALK. AND SO IF WE FEEL LIKE WE WANT TO HIT THIS OBJECTIVE, 75%, 80% REDUCTION, OUR POLICIES, TO YOUR POINT, NEED TO MATCH THAT, RIGHT? AND SO, UM, WE'RE EXCITED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. UM, AND IT'S ABSOLUTELY GONNA HELP INFORM WHERE, UM, WHAT I THINK WILL BE THE GREENEST GENERAL PLAN THAT WE HAVE, UM, MAYBE THE GREENEST, UM, UM, AROUND THE REGION AS WELL, UM, IF THIS COUNCIL HAS ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT IT. UM, AND SO WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TEEING UP, UM, MUCH OF THIS LAND USE DISCUSSION, UH, GENERAL PLAN DISCUSSION WITH THE CONTEXT OF OUR CLIMATE GOALS. THANK YOU. UH, IT IS GONNA BE PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE I SEE COMING, MOVING FORWARD IS, IS GETTING THOSE TWO ACTUALLY MATCHED UP ALONG WITH ALL THE OTHER GOALS WE SET IN FOR HOUSING AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO ANYWAY, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT AND, AND I, I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO TO, TO THE WORK WITH YOU COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON. I JUST WANNA MAKE A COUPLE COMMENTS 'CAUSE I WENT BACK ON MY OTHER NOTES. UM, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE FACTORY OUTLET, ABSOLUTELY NO HOUSING SHOULD BE THERE, BUT THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES THERE. AND I'M TALKING THE LONG TERM OPPORTUNITIES. IF WE END UP WITH A GREENWAY AND END UP WITH, UM, UM, CONNECTIONS FROM, UM, THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITY TO THE RIVER PARK AND THEN FAIRGROUNDS AND THEN ALL THE WAY UP NORTH, UM, WITH THE, WHAT I CALL THE CORONA REACH, BUT THE GREENWAY, UM, YOU KNOW, UP BY THE FACTORY OUTLET, THERE MIGHT BE OPPORTUNITIES FOR, UH, AN ENVIRONMENTAL CENTER. UM, YOU KNOW, EVENTUALLY THINGS MAY CHANGE THERE AND SO I WOULDN'T WANNA THROW THAT OUT. BUT ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE POSSIBILITY OF LIKE YURTS THERE, YOU KNOW, JUST THAT YOU CAN'T, THAT AREN'T GONNA FLOOD BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE MORE AND MORE PEOPLE USING THESE AREAS FOR, UM, INTERCONNECTIVE TRAILS AND BIKING AND PROBABLY HIKING 'CAUSE THEY'LL EVENTUALLY GO SOMEWHERE. BUT THE OTHER THING IS OFF ON, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER. NOW, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WERE TALKING, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE EAST SIDE WAS BUILT, UM, WHEN THE WEST SIDE WAS BUILT, YOU HAD WICKERSHAM PARK, YOU HAD MCNAIR PARK, YOU HAD ALL THESE PARKS THAT WERE INTEGRATED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE BACKYARDS WERE A LOT SMALLER IN CERTAIN AREAS. AND WHEN THE EAST SIDE WAS DEVELOPED, IT WAS AFTER WORLD WAR II, THEY STARTED, UM, DEVELOPING BECAUSE OF HAMILTON AND THEY JUST BUILT COOKIE CUTTER HOUSES WITH ZERO PARKS IN THERE. AND THAT'S WHY I SEE THE OPPORTUNITY WITH THE GREENWAY AND EVERYTHING. UM, IT'S LIKE THE HUB OF THE CITY REALLY FOR, UM, FOR SPACE FOR PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY GO TO BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THOSE PARKS. AND THEN WHEN PARKS WERE FINALLY INTEGRATED IN THERE, IT WAS A GREAT THING. BUT THERE ARE A MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ON THE EAST SIDE THAT HAVE NO ACCESS TO A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK UNLESS IT'S AT A SCHOOL. AND A LOT OF TIMES THOSE AREN'T EVEN OPENED. SO, UM, AND THAT GOES TO, UM, JUST THE IMPORTANCE OF ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT WE REALLY NEED TO INTER LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE OF WHERE THE ACTIVITIES ARE GONNA BE. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, ESPECIALLY ON THE, UM, EAST SIDE OF TOWN, I MEAN ALL THE ROADS WERE BUILT LIKE FREEWAYS OR HIGHWAYS. THERE ARE FOUR LANES AND PEOPLE ARE JUST CONSTANTLY SPEEDING. AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH. AND SO YOU WANT TO TRY TALK ABOUT GETTING TO A 15 MINUTE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER, UM, TO GET TO LIKE, YOU KNOW, DEER CREEK, YOU HAVE TO CROSS MCDOWELL. IT'S NOT INVITING. AND SO WE HAVE CREATED OUR TOWN THAT IS NOT INVITING FOR PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY WALK TO NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERS EVERYWHERE. AND THEN WHEN THESE CENTERS WERE ALSO BUILT DEER CREEK, IT IS 100% AUTOCENTRIC. THERE'S REALLY NO SIDEWALKS FOR THE PUBLIC. AND THEN THE HOUSING WAS RETROFITTED. SO HOW DO WE GO TO A SHOPPING CENTER THAT WAS BUILT NOT THAT MANY YEARS AGO AND THIS WAS COMPLETELY EXCLUDED, THAT THERE WAS ANY CONNECTION WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS. HOW DO YOU MAKE THOSE, UM, HEALTHIER TODAY? AND THAT GOES WITH THE TARGET CENTER, THE SAME PROBLEM, TOTALLY AUTOCENTRIC. AND SO WE HAVE CREATED THIS PROBLEM, BUT, UM, WELL PAST, YOU KNOW, THE, MAYBE PEOPLE WEREN'T PART OF THE FACTORY OUTLET, BUT THEY CERTAINLY WERE PART OF THE TARGET CENTER IN DEER CREEK AND THAT WASN'T THAT MANY YEARS AGO. AND SO IT'S, IT'S LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO UNWIND THE PROBLEMS OF THE PAST. AND TO ME, UM, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT PEOPLE HAVE SPACES AND NOT HUGE YARDS, BUT ACTUALLY SPACES TO INTEGRATE. AND THEN, UM, AND THE, THE SAME THING, IT REALLY STARTED IN THE 1960S WITH THE PAY ROUND, WITH PAY RENT AREA AND MIDTOWN NO PARK AREAS. AND THAT'S WHERE IT REALLY STARTED WAS THE EARLY 1960S. AND THEN IT WENT TO, AS THE EAST SIDE WAS CREATED ALSO, UM, I'M GONNA JUST SEE IF THERE'S OTHER NOTES. AND AS FAR AS 15 MINUTE NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, [03:05:01] I MEAN THEY COULD BE AS SIMPLE AS A POPUP FOR LIKE A JUPITER FOODS. I MEAN, THERE CAN BE REALLY SIMPLE. THEY DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE LIKE A, A BUILDING THAT YOU'RE GOING INTO. THERE'S ALL KINDS OF, UM, OPPORTUNITIES, UH, FARMER'S MARKETS, YOU KNOW, JUST DIFFERENT THINGS. AND I'M LOOKING AT MY NOTES. UM, BUT I REALLY DO THINK THE, A HUGE PROBLEM IS THE, UM, THE EAST SIDE HAS HIGHWAYS AND HOW DO WE ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, THAT AND REALLY LOOK AT IT, UM, 'CAUSE NOBODY SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, REDUCTION OF LANES, BUT NOBODY REALLY WANTS PEOPLE GOING 60 MILES AN HOUR WHEN THERE'S HOMES ON THESE STREETS. AND THAT IS WHAT'S HAPPENING EVERY SINGLE DAY. UM, AND THAT HOW THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN REALLY INTEGRATES WITH THIS, BUT IT GOES BACK TO SAFETY ABOUT GETTING ACROSS THESE ROADS. UM, HANG ON, GOT SOME OTHER COUPLE OTHER NOTES. UM, UM, THE GATEWAY INTO OUR CITIES. I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT, UM, WE LOOK AT THE GATEWAY INTO OUR CITY AND I LOOK AT PETALUMA BOULEVARD AND I LOOK AT WASHINGTON STREET AND THEY'RE FILLED WITH BLIGHT. AND THAT IS, THAT'S NOT WHAT OUR TOWN SHOULD BE, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE GOING INTO THE DOWNTOWN. UM, THAT'S NOT APPEALING. AND OUR STREETSCAPES NEED TO BE DIFFERENT. SO IT FEELS INVITING WITH THE PLAN. WHEN I'M ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, ROGER, UM, COMMISSIONER, UM, I ALWAYS SAY HIS LAST NAME WRONG 'CAUSE I'LL CALL HIM ROGER. HE ALWAYS TALKS ABOUT THIS AND HE AND I REALLY SAT DOWN AND TALKED ABOUT IT TO REALLY BRING IN WHAT DO YOU REALLY MEAN BY IT? AND IT'S REALLY MAKING IT JUST INVITING, COMING INTO YOUR CITY, SHADING SO PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THEY WANNA WALK AND THAT PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA BE HIT BY CARS. AND THEN THE BEAUTY OF COMING INTO THE TOWN, ALSO, WE HAVE TO OPEN OUR EYES. IT'S NOT JUST THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IN DOWNTOWN, IT'S WHEN YOU'RE COMING INTO THE TOWN, WHICH YOU'RE ALSO SEEING AND THE OPPORTUNITIES WE HAVE IN THOSE AREAS. SO THAT'S IT. COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE. YEAH, JUST A FEW THINGS THAT POPPED INTO MY MIND. UM, I AGREE THAT THE LONG-TERM HOUSING NEEDS, I, I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE NOT SO FOCUSED ON STATE MANDATES, BUT MORE BASED ON VALUES. MM-HMM, . UM, I THINK WE NEED TO CONSIDER THE, THE ROLE OF DESIGN REVIEW AS WE THINK ABOUT POLICIES IN HERE TOO. UM, ESPECIALLY WITH MORE INFILL HAPPENING, HAVING PROFESSIONAL DESIGN REVIEW I THINK IS GONNA BE CRITICAL FOR NOT JUST THE AESTHETICS OF THE BUILDINGS, BUT THE SORT OF FUNCTIONAL, UM, ASPECTS OF HOW THEY FIT INTO THE URBAN FABRIC. UM, I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE ON THE WAY OF INCENTIVES FOR THINGS LIKE SHOPPING CENTERS WHERE WE KNOW IT'S RIGHT NOW, THERE'S, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT SEEING IT. THERE'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S HARD TO MAKE THE CONNECTION FROM HOW, WHERE WHAT WE SAY WE WANT TO, WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN IS THERE. AND I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME THOUGHTS ABOUT INCENTIVES. AND THEN, UM, I THINK IT'S WORTH IT TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE STALLED PROJECTS LIKE 1 31 LIBERTY, EIGHT 90, UM, POMO BOULEVARD HAYSTACK, AND FIND OUT WHAT ACTUALLY IS LIMITING THEM. UM, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE ENTITLE PROJECTS AND THEY DON'T GET BILLED, WE DON'T GET THE BENEFITS OF IT. UM, AND IT, YOU KNOW, THAT I THINK WE NEED TO LEARN FROM THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T REPEAT THAT SO THAT WE DON'T CONTINUE TO CREATE PROHIBITIVE ZONING. AND THEN THE SECOND THING IS JUST, UM, SMALL LOT STRATEGIES. IT FEELS LIKE THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GONNA SEE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE THICKENING HAPPENING. AND IT'S, UM, IT'S JUST, IT, IT'S NOT, IT'S A DIFFERENT STYLE OF DEVELOPMENT. IT, IT NEEDS MORE FLEXIBILITY TO, TO WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER POST WAS TALKING ABOUT. UM, I THINK I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME EMPHASIS ON THAT. UM, JUST SO THAT WE START TO ACTUALLY ENCOURAGE SOME OF THAT. THAT'S HOW YOU GET LOCAL DEVELOPMENT TOO, RIGHT? AND LOCAL DEVELOPERS IS TO ENCOURAGE THAT SMALL OT STUFF. THANKS. THANKS. UM, I THINK NOW WE'LL TAKE A MINUTE AND WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT TO APPRECIATE EVERYBODY BEING, UH, SO PATIENT TO, TO GET TO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM. UH, AND THEN WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR ONE MORE BY THE APPLE. BUT HAVE WE RECEIVED ANYTHING BY EMAIL? UH, WE HAVE NOT. WE HAVE NOT. IF WE DO, WE WILL POST IT ONLINE. OKAY. OKAY. AND, UH, PLEASE OPEN THE SURE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ATTENDING IN PERSON SHOULD BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE SO. SPEAKERS ARE REMINDED TO BE RESPECTFUL IN THEIR COMMENTS AND THAT THIS MEETING IS BEING TRANSLATED. PLEASE PAUSE BETWEEN SENTENCES FOR TRANSLATION. THE TIMER BEHIND THE DICE WILL BE RESET FOR EACH SPEAKER. [03:10:11] WE HAVE TWO CARDS TONIGHT. UH, OMAR LOPEZ TO BE FOLLOWED BY ROBERT HANSON. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR MCDONALD COUNCIL MEMBERS AND STAFF. MY NAME IS SOMAR LOPEZ. I'M THE SENIOR PROGRAM ASSOCIATE AT GENERATION HOUSING. I AM HAPPY TO SAY THAT THE MAJORITY OF NEW POLICIES OUTLINED IN THE POLICY FRAMEWORK ALIGNED WITH GENERATIONS HOUSING'S MISSION TO FOSTER VIBRANT, EQUITABLE COMMUNITIES WITH DIVERSE HOUSING OPTIONS. UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT A FEW THINGS THAT WE REALLY APPRECIATED. OBVIOUSLY, INFILL DEVELOPMENT IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE LOCKED BY YOUR GROWTH BOUNDARY. UM, WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE COMPLETED NEIGHBORHOODS WHICH PRIORITIZES THE CREATION OF NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE RESIDENTS CAN MEET THEIR DAILY NEEDS LOCALLY. UH, AND THIS SUPPORTS OUR GOAL OF FOSTERING HOUSING DIVERSITY AND AFFORDABILITY AND WALKABLE MIXED USE COMMUNITIES. AND OF COURSE, THIS WAS KNOWN AS THIS CONTRIBUTES TO REDUCING VEHICLE MILES, TRAVELED AND ENHANCES COMMUNITY RESILIENCE BY REDUCING THE NEED OF A VEHICLE WHILE MAKING YOUR DAILY SORT OF MOTIONS. UM, YOU GUYS DID BRING UP A REALLY FAIR POINT ABOUT 15 MINUTE CITIES, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT PERFECT. THEY'RE NOT GONNA SOLVE EVERYTHING. AND SO I THINK IT'S FAIR TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT FALSE ADVERTISING WHAT WE'RE PROMISING, ESPECIALLY BASED ON CURRENT ECONOMIC SITUATIONS WHERE WE CAN'T PROMISE AS MUCH AS WE REALLY WANT TO. UM, BUT WE DO WANNA HIGHLIGHT CORRIDOR DEVELOPMENT. UM, SO A LOT OF THESE CORRIDORS, ESPECIALLY IN PETALUMA, HAVE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE, ESPECIALLY TRANSIT INFRASTRUCTURE. AND SO THAT'S A REALLY GOOD WAY OF SORT OF BUILDING WHERE IT'S EASY TO BUILD AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ADDING AS MUCH INFRASTRUCTURE AFTER THE FACT. AND AGAIN, THAT IN, UH, ALIGNS WITH, YOU KNOW, REDUCING VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED AND GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTION. AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS TO CONTINUE LOOKING AT. AND LASTLY, I WANNA BRING UP SONY FLEXIBILITY. SO OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS HAVE ADDED A LOT OF, ESPECIALLY MIXED USE ZONING. YOU'VE EXPANDED THAT A LOT. YOU'VE ADDED A NEW CATEGORY INTO RESIDENTIAL SONY. AND SO WE REALLY APPRECIATE THESE CHANGES AND I THINK THESE WILL ALLOW FOR BETTER DEVELOPMENT WITHIN PETALUMA. UM, THERE'S ALWAYS SO MUCH MORE THAT CAN BE DONE, AND SO IF YOU CAN'T FIT IT IN THERE, FIT IT IN THERE. BUT WE, WE APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND UH, ROBERT HANSEN. GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. I'VE LEARNED A LOT SITTING HERE TONIGHT. MY CARD WENT IN WHEN YOU WERE DISCUSSING THE ACCESS, CLEAN RAINWATER, HOW TO GET RID OF IT, HOW TO DISPOSE OF IT, AND NOBODY CAME UP WITH THE IDEA OF FUNNELING THAT BACK INTO OUR AQUIFER, WHICH IS BOTH LOW AND POLLUTED. IT'S TIME WE FLUSH IT OUT AND CLEAN. RAINWATER IS THE ANSWER TO THAT YET. I DIDN'T HEAR THAT BEING DISCUSSED. JUST A THOUGHT. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT EVERYBODY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND I BELIEVE WE'RE CLOSING PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE EVENING. NOW. WE MAY HAVE ONE MORE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE EVENING OR TWO THIS EVENING TIME. UM, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE GONNA BE ABLE TO SPEAK, SO I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THAT. BUT I THINK THE IDEA OF WALKING, I THINK WALKING IS HIGHLY UNDERRATED. AND I MEAN, IN 1993 WHEN WE, I WAS, I WAS THE FIRST, UH, IT WAS THE FIRST PEDESTRIAN BICYCLE PLAN OF THE TOWN WE, WE RODE. BUT MY INTEREST AT THAT TIME WAS MORE PEDESTRIAN AND THERE WERE WALKWAYS THAT HAVE SUBSEQUENTLY BEING DEVELOPED AND IS NO LONGER, WE WERE TRYING TO GET A WALKWAY FROM WHAT IS NOW WESTRIDGE, WHICH WASN'T THERE IN THAT YET, TO A COMMONLY USED CORRIDOR OVER THE HILL, DOWN TO MCNAIR SCHOOL. THERE WERE LOTS OF THINGS LIKE THAT IN TOWN. THERE WAS A GUY NAMED, I FORGET HIS NAME, BUT HE WAS A PLANNER IN THIS, IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WHO SAID HE'D WRITTEN AN ENTIRE BIKE PLAN AND PEDESTRIAN PLANNED TO GO ALONG THE RIVERS IN THE EAST SIDE AS A CONTRACT PLANNER. AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW, IT WAS JUST PUT ON A SHELF AND IT WASN'T BUILT THAT WAY. SO I THINK WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT'S BUILT. WE NEED TO HAVE PEDESTRIAN CUT THROUGHS THAT ARE, UM, THAT ARE BUILT IN IT SO PEOPLE CAN KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GETTING INTO. UM, AND THE IDEA OF MAKING GREEN SPACE AVAILABLE. I AGREE, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. SO THE OTHER [03:15:01] THING ABOUT PEDESTRIAN WALK WALKWAYS IS THAT THERE ARE NO REGULATIONS ABOUT LED LIGHTS, WHICH NOW SHINE EVERYWHERE ON SIDEWALKS IN YOUR EYES. AND THAT NEEDS TO NOT, THAT NEEDS TO BE ELIMINATED. PLANNERS NEED TO LOOK AT THE LIGHTING BECAUSE LED LIGHTS ARE GLARING. I, I LIVE NEAR SECOND STREET AND UM, WHERE THE QUILT SHOP IS THE PARKING LOT RIGHT THERE. I MEAN, THEY PUT IN THE NEW LIGHTS. I MEAN, I DON'T EVEN WALK ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET AT NIGHT ANYMORE HOME FROM THE MOVIES. AND THAT IS NOT REGULATED THAT IS TOTALLY WRONG. PEOPLE NEED TO HAVE LIGHTS THAT GO ON AND OFF AND NOT SHINE ALL NIGHT LONG. I MEAN, NOT TO MENTION THE DARK SKY IS PROBLEM FOR ASTRONOMY PEOPLE, BUT THIS IS A PEDESTRIAN PROBLEM, WHICH WE DON'T LOOK AT AT ALL. AND I'D REALLY LOVE TO SEE THAT BE INCLUDED IN THE PLAN. UM, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THAT OUR LAST SPEAKER? WONDERFUL. THAT CLOSES PUBLIC COMMENT. UM, AND I'D LIKE TO BRING IT BACK UP TO COUNCIL FOR ANY LAST THOUGHTS TO ADD INTO HERE. LET ME START AT THE END WITH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE AND COME ACROSS THE DIAZ. YEAH. I'LL, UH, EMPHASIZE THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH LIKE THE CREEKWOOD PROJECT RIGHT NOW, WHERE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS IS, LIKE WHERE SHOULD IT BE AND DOES IT EVEN NEED TO BE THERE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY WHERE WE WOULD WANT TO SEE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, AND IT CAN BE PART OF OUR PLAN SO THAT IT'S NOT, UM, IT'S NOT AN IF, BUT LIKE WHERE AND, AND, AND IT'S PART OF THE, THE PLAN. THAT'D BE GREAT TO, TO THINK ABOUT THAT. UM, AND THEN, I DON'T KNOW, I KNOW WE'VE DONE SOME VISIONING AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT I, I'LL, I'LL SEND SOME NOTES AFTERWARDS, BUT I JUST THINK THERE'S LIKE, UM, A LIKE HOW IMPORTANT IS THIS TO YOU THAT WE CAN DO TO JUST SORT OF GET THE COMMUNITY TO ARTICULATE THEIR VALUES? BECAUSE I THINK IT'S GONNA BE CRITICAL WHEN WE COME BACK UP HERE AND WE'RE, UM, ASKING AND, AND ASK TO MAKE TOUGH DECISIONS ABOUT LAND USE, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, AROUND CLIMATE. UM, YOU KNOW, HOW IMPORTANT IS THIS TO YOU? AND WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO REFLECT BACK ON WHAT THE COMMUNITY'S VALUES ARE SO THAT WE'RE ROOTING OUR DECISIONS IN THAT. UM, AND SO I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A, A SURVEY OF SOME SORT TO REALLY SORT OF LIKE CAPTURE, UM, CAPTURE VALUES. AND I THINK IT'D BE GREAT TO SHARE WITH PEOPLE TOO. SO, THANKS COUNCIL MEMBER CATER. TOM. I JUST WANT TO, UM, COMMENT ON PATRICIA TUTTLE BROWN'S COMMENT ON THE CONNECTIONS, BECAUSE I REMEMBER THAT CONNECTION VERY WELL AND WHERE IT WAS, AND IT WOULD'VE BEEN A GREAT CONNECTION TO, FOR KIDS TO GET TO, UM, SCHOOL. AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY LOST. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE BUILT ALL THESE CUL-DE-SACS AND HOW DO YOU GET OUT OF A CUL-DE-SAC? YOU GO RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT LEFT UNTIL YOU FINALLY GET OUT OF IT. AND THERE ARE NO WALKWAYS TO GET OUT. YOU JUST FEEL REALLY ISOLATED AND STUCK. AND SO I DO THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE BOY, I REMEMBER THAT PROJECT AND BOY, IT WOULD BE GREAT TODAY IF THAT HAD, UM, MOVED FORWARD. SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING UP, UM, THE CONNECTIVE TRAILS, COUNCIL MEMBERSHIPS. ANYTHING ADD TONIGHT? YEAH, I JUST WANNA, UM, THANKS STEPH FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE SO FAR AND, AND WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THIS STEP BY STEP. IT, UH, UH, THINK IT'S WONDERFUL, UH, PROCESS THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH, ESPECIALLY ENGAGING AS MUCH COMMUNITY AS WE HAVE IN THIS ROUND, AS COMPARED TO WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING IN THE PAST. JUST WANTED MAKE A COMMENT. I THINK ROBERT HANSEN MENTIONED, UH, TALKING ABOUT WATER AQUIFERS AND GROUNDWATER AND HAVING BEEN ON THE GROUNDWATER SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR A COUPLE YEARS AND FOLLOWING WHAT THEY'RE DOING NOW, UH, JUST IN RESPONSE, UM, TO, SO FOLKS KNOW THAT WE ARE TAKING, UH, LOTS OF STRIDES IN MONITORING OUR GROUNDWATER AND, UH, LOOKING AT HOW TO KEEP IT PRESERVED AND ACTUALLY LOOKING AT PUTTING, UM, CLEAN RAINWATER DOWN IN THE GROUND FOR USE LATER. SO THERE IS A HUGE MASTER PLAN ALREADY IN PLACE, UM, THAT WE'RE GONNA BE FOLLOWING UP WITH SO THAT WE WILL HAVE A LOT MORE CLEAN, UH, GROUNDWATER TO USE FOR DRINKING, UH, IN CASE WE END UP WITH A VERY LONG-TERM DROUGHT. SO THAT'S PART OF THE, THE, THE PLAN WE HAVE, UH, FOR, FOR CLIMATE ACTION. SO I JUST WANNA MENTION THAT WE HAVE THINGS IN THE WORKS FOR THESE AREAS. UM, AND AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, UH, INTEGRATING THAT, UH, THE PEDESTRIAN BIKE, UH, UM, REPORTS THAT ARE COMING IN, GETTING THAT PLAN INTEGRATED IN. SO YEAH, YOU GUYS HAVE THE CHALLENGE OF INTEGRATING ALL THESE FRAMEWORKS FROM DIFFERENT SUBJECT AREAS AND I THINK IT'S A TREMENDOUS OPPORTUNITY AS WELL AS A CHALLENGE. SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT. THANK YOU. AND I, I DID APPRECIATE THAT THE PVAC NOW HAS A TRAIL SUBCOMMITTEE THAT'S PRETTY COOL. UH, AS AN AD HOC, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER. HEALEY, ANYTHING? YEAH, JUST TO PLAY OFF OF, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER SHIP'S COMMENTS. UM, I, I THINK, UH, INJECTION WELLS ARE GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA BE SPENDING MORE TIME THINKING ABOUT IN THE FUTURE. AND IT, IT COULD [03:20:01] BE FLOOD WATER, IT COULD BE, UM, AQUEDUCT WATER. UM, THE SONOMA COUNTY WATER AGENCY HAS GOTTEN FUNDING FOR, UH, THEY HAVE THREE WELLS IN THE SANTA ROSA PLAIN WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE RE-INJECTING, UM, AQUEDUCT WATER DURING HIGH PEAK FLOWS IN THE RUSSIAN RIVER. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THAT MAKES MORE SENSE OR, OR FLOOD WATER HERE MAKES MORE SENSE. UM, I THINK WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT BOTH, BUT DEFINITELY THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANNA BE LOOKING AT. THAT'S PROBABLY WAY DOWN IN THE WEEDS FOR WHERE YOU ARE RIGHT NOW. BUT JUST COMING A TRACK COUNCIL MEMBER NOW, UM, THIS IS, I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S A GOOD QUESTION OR A COMMENT OR STATEMENT, BUT IN MY DISTRICT TO CONNECT IT TO A 15 MINUTE DESTINATION, WE HAVE A PEDESTRIAN OVERCROSSING THAT GOES OVER THE FREEWAY TO LOTS OF OPPORTUNITIES IN THE TARGET SHOPPING CENTER FROM THE KRESGE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WE JUST HAVE TO FIX IT. SO WE REALLY NEED TO, UM, THINK AHEAD TO WHAT OUR PLAN IS TO WORKING WITH CALTRANS, TO GETTING THAT A DA AND MORE MODERN FOR MORE PEOPLE TO UTILIZE BIKES AND PEDESTRIANS AND, UM, THAT WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO MAYBE GET OUT OF THEIR VEHICLES AND, AND GO ACROSS TOWN TO THE FAIRGROUNDS, THE TARGET SHOPPING CENTER. THERE'S LOTS OVER THERE. THEY COULD EVEN CATCH LIMA GO. UM, DID I SAY THAT BEFORE? ANYWAY, UM, FOR A LONG-TERM HOUSING NEEDS, I THINK IT WAS, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE THAT BROUGHT IT UP. WE, UM, HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THOSE FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS AND GET CREATIVE. THEY MAY NOT WANT A, UM, YARD, THEY MAY WANT TO BE IN, UM, SOMETHING THAT WAS AN OLD BUILDING LIKE THE, THE PHILIP SWED SCHOOL. SO WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN SOME OF THOSE, UM, AREAS. AND OUR SENIORS, UM, I'M IN THAT CATEGORY, EMPTY NESTERS. WE DON'T WANT 2000 SQUARE FEET AND A HUGE YARD FRONT AND BACK ANYMORE. IT'S A LOT OF WORK. UM, SO WE WANNA DOWNSIZE, BUT WE WANT SOMETHING ONE LEVEL AND WE WANT SOMETHING NEAR THOSE 50 MINUTE CENTERS. UM, BUT WE ALSO WANT RECREATION. SO OVER ON THE WEST SIDE, OVER IN THE OLD TOWN AND COUNTRY SHOPPING CENTER WHERE WE BUILT SOME APARTMENTS AND SOME LOW COST HOUSING, THERE'S NO PARKS RIGHT THERE. IT ALWAYS DISAPPOINTED ME THAT THERE'S NO RECREATION FOR THOSE, UM, FAMILIES. AND WE ALSO WANT AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR OUR, UM, CITY EMPLOYEES, OUR SCHOOL EMPLOYEES. SO WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE AND MAYBE WE SHOULD ASK THEM, DO YOU WANT TO LIVE DOWNTOWN OR DO YOU WANNA LIVE OUT IN THE AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT UP? THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF VACANT HOUSES IN MY DISTRICT THAT HAVE, THEY'RE JUST EMPTY BECAUSE SOMEONE PASSED AWAY AND THE FAMILY'S INHERITED THEM AND WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO INCENTIVIZE THEM TO SELLING IT TO MAYBE THE FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS. ONE OF THE HOUSES WENT ON THE MARKET, UM, IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND THERE WAS A HUGE, UM, OPEN HOUSE OVER THE WEEKEND AND IT WAS VERY AFFORDABLE. BUT IT'S, IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY UPGRADES. IT'S TOTALLY 1965. UM, THE LAST TIME WE DID THE GENERAL PLAN, I BROUGHT IT WITH ME. WE WERE REALLY TALKING A LOT ABOUT THE SMART CODE AND I HEARD IT BROUGHT UP TONIGHT AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE SMART CODE IN THE, THE, UM, LAND THAT IS CURRENTLY NEXT TO, UM, OH GOSH, IS WHERE OYSTER CO'S GONNA GO IN. SO I WAS AT WALLER STREET THAT IT USED TO BE OWNED BY, UM, INDUCTOR HITLER'S. ANYWAY, I WAS GOING TO BE A DEVELOPMENT, IT WAS GONNA BE A MIXED USE. I'D LOVE TO SEE WHERE THAT'S AT, IF WE STILL USE THAT SMART CODE TO, FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS AND, UM, THOSE HOUSING NEEDS. 'CAUSE THAT WOULD BE GREAT HOUSING WITH SOME MIXED USE LIKE WE DID IN THE THEATER DISTRICT. UM, AND I ALSO ASKED, UM, ABOUT THE CENTRAL SPECIFIC PLAN BECAUSE WE USED THAT AS A BIBLE WHEN WE DID THE LAST GENERAL PLAN. SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT TALKED ABOUT MORE BECAUSE WE REALLY MAPPED OUT EVERYTHING FROM THE RIVER TO, AND WE'VE CHANGED A LOT. WE'VE DEVELOPED A LOT SINCE WE DEVELOPED THAT PLAN. BUT, UM, THAT WAS THE LAST TIME I WAS WORKING ON THE GENERAL PLAN. SO I'M TRYING TO RESEARCH WHERE WE'RE AT NOW AND COMPARE IT TO WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE ON THE BOOKS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER SGE. UM, I JUST HAVE KIND OF ONE QUESTION THAT MAYBE SOMEBODY CAN HELP ME WITH IN TERMS OF, UH, WHAT, [03:25:01] AS WE TALK MORE ABOUT, UH, UH, DESIGN STANDARDS, UM, YOU KNOW, WHICH, WHICH AT LEAST IN MY MIND, UH, THE TIGHTER YOU GET WITH THOSE, THE MORE YOU GET, UH, TO QUALITATIVE STUFF AND YOU GET TO A PLACE WHERE, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF A DIFFERENT WORD THAN NIMBYS. UM, CAN, CAN PERHAPS UTILIZE THAT TO STOP PRETTY MUCH ALL PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, TOGETHER. AM I WRONG TO TO THINK THAT THAT'S A CONCERN? IT'S MY CONCERN. . YEAH, I, UH, I I THINK WE ALL HAVE AN OPINION, SO WE'LL LEAVE IT AS OPINIONS. UH, AND, AND I I THINK THERE'S TOO MUCH AND TOO LITTLE. LIKE IF YOU DON'T, YOU KNOW, SO FINDING THE SWEET SPOT IS WHY WE HAVE PROFESSIONAL PLANNERS TO TAKE THE HEAT. NO, I MEAN TO, UH, FIGURE THAT, UH, ISSUE OUT. UM, BUT YEAH, AND YOU KNOW, BEING SOMEBODY THAT SPENDS MORE TIME THAN MOST THINKING ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, YOU KNOW, I, IIII THINK ABOUT THAT. UM, AND UH, AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S I GUESS GIVES GET BACK. THAT'S MY BIG THING. CALL IT AFFORDABLE, CALL IT SOMETHING ELSE, BUT SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE CAN HAVE A ROOF. THAT'S ALL. CAN I JUST ADD SOMETHING TO THAT? ONE OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO BE VERY CONSCIOUS OF IS WITH ALL OF THE STATE MANDATED STREAMLINING, THERE ARE A LOT OF PROJECTS THAT THE ONLY THING WE WILL BE ABLE TO REQUIRE ARE THE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS. SO IN, WHEN YOU HAVE A PROJECT THAT MEETS CERTAIN, CERTAIN CRITERIA, IT, IF YOU HAVE QUALITATIVE DESIGN, WE WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO. SO IT'S, WE'RE AT A REALLY A KEY SPOT WHERE WE NEED TO, AND WE DID THIS SOME WITH OUR OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT THE COUNCIL ADOPTED, BUT I THINK THAT WILL BE SOMETHING WE'LL PROBABLY LOOK AT REVISITING AND, AND EXPANDING, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE GETTING THE DESIGN THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS WITHOUT IT BEING, UM, UNDULY BURDENED ON GETTING THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WE WANT TOO. THANKS. AND, AND I'LL JUST ADD ON THAT, THAT BECAUSE THE STATE SHARES THE CONCERN THAT YOU HAVE COUNCIL MEMBER AND THAT THAT COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE WAS MENTIONING. SO THE TRICK IS GONNA BE TO TRY TO PROVIDE OBJECTIVE STANDARDS THAT ARE MEANINGFUL IN TERMS OF QUALITY PROJECTS, BUT ARE AREN'T SUSCEPTIBLE TO ABUSE. SO THANKS COUNCIL MEMBER HEALEY. YEAH, THANK YOU. UM, MR. DANLEY FOR RAISING THAT, DID, DID THE STATE JUST PASS LEGISLATION THAT KIND OF UNDERMINED OUR OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR MINISTERIAL APPROVED PROJECTS? I, I, OR DID I MIS AM I MISINTERPRETING? I'M SORRY. DID YOU SAY THAT UNDERMINED? YEAH. THE, THE WHAT WE DID RECENTLY? I DON'T, NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF, BUT THAT'S, IT'S STILL POSSIBLE BECAUSE THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SO MANY NEW HOUSING. YEAH, THEY'RE VERY BUSY. I THOUGHT I HEARD THAT SOMEWHERE. THANK YOU. WE'LL, WE'LL CHECK, WE'LL LOOK FOR THAT AND, AND REPORT BACK TO THE COUNCIL. NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF THOUGH. CATER THOMPSON. I JUST WANNA KIND OF FOLLOW UP ON COUNCIL MEMBER NOW ABOUT, UM, THE CROSSINGS, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE TARGET CROSSING, THAT'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT WAS BUILT, YOU KNOW, EARLY ON AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE WAY IT WAS BUILT. YOU CAN'T REALLY EXPAND THAT. AND FOR A DA YOU MAY HAVE TO DO, UM, A LIFT AND THEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT LIFTS AND SEEING HOW POSSIBLE THOSE ARE AND, AND MAINTENANCE OF LIFTS. AND SO THE TARGET CENTER IT IS BEING LOOKED AT AND IT'S, IT'S A LOT MORE COMPLICATED THAN I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE. 'CAUSE I'VE SEEN A FEW DIFFERENT DESIGNS ON THAT. 'CAUSE I, WITH THE SCTA, BUT ALSO THE CORONA OVERCROSSING, THEY'RE LOOKING AT DOING A CANTILEVER SEPARATE TO SEPARATE THE BIKES AND PEDESTRIANS, UM, INSTEAD OF JUST CHANGING THE ENTIRE, UM, UM, STRUCTURE. BUT I, BUT I ALSO HAVE A CONCERN BECAUSE WHEN THAT WAS DONE IN THE 1970S, THE, THE, UM, BRIDGE GOING OVER THE RIVER IS PRETTY LOW AND IT FLOODS NOW WHERE IT DIDN'T ORIGINALLY. SO THAT'S A CONCERN. AND SO HERE WE'RE LOOKING AT MAYBE JUST DOING A CANTILEVER, BUT THEN I LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE OF THE FLOODING AND THAT BRIDGE AND THAT IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE RAISED. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A LONG TERM THAT'S, THAT'S A REAL CONCERN. AND THEN ALSO WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, ON THE, WITH LAKEVILLE, HOW DO YOU GET ACROSS LAKEVILLE? SO YOU'RE ACTUALLY CONNECTING TO THE RIVER PARK AND YOU'RE CONNECTING TO SCHOENBERGER AND THE, UM, ELLIS CREEK. AND SO THERE, THERE IS A PLAN AND SO WE HAVE PLANS FOR THESE THINGS, BUT IT'S REALLY THE COST. BUT LIKE CORONA IS LOOKING AT MAYBE 2030, BUT IS THAT REALLY THE RIGHT [03:30:01] WAY TO GO OR IS IT BETTER JUST TO REDO A STRUCTURE TOO? AND IT TIES INTO FLOODING, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. SO THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON, BUT THEN IT'S KINDA LIKE PARKS, YOU DIDN'T PUT PARKS IN. HOW DO YOU PUT A PARK IN? AND THEN HOW ARE YOU GONNA GET THOSE ACTIVITIES, YOU KNOW? SO IT FEELS LIKE A BETTER A NEIGHBORHOOD. AND SO THESE ARE A LOT OF CHALLENGES. I THINK THAT'S THE COMMON THREAD. IT'S YEAH. ISN'T IT, IT IS A COMMON THREAD. ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S MEMBER BARNICLE. YOU'RE GOOD. UM, I, I JUST WANT TO ADD, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, THERE WAS A QUOTE FROM THE JEN H'S HOUSING SUMMIT THIS, UH, PAST WEEKEND, AND IT WAS SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF, UM, HOUSING WOULD BE RESOLVED A LOT QUICKER IF WE WERE THE UNHOUSED FOLKS AND, AND, AND YOU KNOW THAT THAT WOULD BE YOUR MOTIVAT, WE'D BE MORE MOTIVATED TO GET MORE WORK DONE MORE QUICKLY. UM, I ALSO WANNA NOTE THAT I READ THE WORD PROMOTE WITHIN THE GOALS QUITE OFTEN OR FACILITATE. AND TO ME THOSE MEANS THE CITY'S PUTTING MONEY IN TO MAKE A THING GO FORWARD RATHER THAN THE DEVELOPMENT WE'VE PUT. I MEAN, IT'S LIKE PUTTING OUR, OUR CASH ON THE TABLE FOR THOSE AND, AND, YOU KNOW, MANY OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE NEED CASH FOR. MM-HMM. . AND, AND I THINK THE ONLY WAY WE GET OUR VISION IS TO HAVE A MORE ROBUST ECONOMY, PUTTING MORE MONEY INTO THE CITY COFFERS. THE CITY CAN DO THE THINGS THE PEOPLE IS DEMANDING TO DO. UM, AND I THINK THE STAFF HAVE WHAT WAS LOOKING FOR TONIGHT. , DO YOU HAVE MORE THAN YOU NEED? ? OKAY. SO IF WE'RE GOOD AT A STAFF LEVEL AND WE'RE GOOD AT A COUNCIL LEVEL, THEN THIS ITEM IS COMPLETE. ONE MORE THING, ONE MORE THING. SORRY. ALRIGHT. YEAH. I THINK THE ECONOMICS OF LAND USE NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT. UM, AND WE NEED TO HAVE SOME, SOME THOUGHTS IN THERE AROUND THAT, RIGHT? LIKE, WE KNOW THAT THE ECONOMICS OF SPRAWL ARE TERRIBLE AND WE KNOW THAT THE ECONOMICS OF INFILL ARE MUCH BETTER. IT WOULD BE GREAT TO EMBED SOMETHING IN OUR POLICY AROUND THAT. UM, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S NEVER REALLY TALKED ABOUT, IT'S ALWAYS ON THE COUNCIL'S MIND OF WHY WE SUPPORT A PROJECT OR NOT. THE CURRENT, YOU KNOW, OVERLAY IS IN THE, IN THE HOTEL THAT COMES WITH THAT IS THE PERFECT EXAMPLE WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TURNING A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT GENERATES NOTHING FOR OUR BUSINESSES AND NOTHING FOR OUR CITY, UM, INTO SOME, INTO THE MOST ECONOMICALLY PRODUCTIVE PIECE OF PROPERTY IN OUR WHOLE CITY. AND IT'S NOWHERE IN OUR STAFF REPORTS BECAUSE IT'S NOT PART OF OUR CURRENT POLICY MAKEUP. AND I'D LOVE TO SEE SOME SORT OF, YOU KNOW, POLICY DISCUSSION OR POLICIES IN THERE THAT'S LIKE, WE ENCOURAGE, LIKE ECONOMICALLY VIBRANT PROJECTS AND ECONOMICALLY VIABLE PROJECTS FOR THE CITY AND FOR OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY. SO THAT'S THANKS VICE MAYOR. UH, JUST ONE MORE THING TO ADD. JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE SOMETHING THAT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER AND MAKE SURE YOU, YOU CAUGHT IT AND PUT SOME PRIORITY ON IT. AND THAT'S GROUND TRUTHING THE POSSIBILITIES. WE HAVE A HUGE AMOUNT OF POSSIBILITIES, OPPORTUNITIES IN FRONT OF US AND A LOT OF SUGGESTIONS ARE, ARE EMBEDDED IN THE PATHWAYS, THE BIKEWAYS, THE HOUSING, THE USE OF, UM, UM, THE SHOPPING CENTERS, HOW IT IS. AND, AND SO FAR WE'VE BEEN VERY CREATIVE IN WHAT'S POSSIBLE, BUT BEFORE WE ACTUALLY GET TO THE, UH, THE NEXT STEP GROUND TRUTHING WITH THE ACTUAL STAKEHOLDERS ON THOSE PIECES OF LAND, UH, OWNERS AND BUSINESS PEOPLE, PROPERTY OWNERS AND BUSINESS PEOPLE INCLUDED ON THAT AS WELL AS DEVELOPERS, UH, IS THIS PLAN GONNA BE PRACTICAL AND POSSIBLE FROM THEIR POINT OF VIEW? SO I'M LOOKING FOR, UH, UH, SOME GROUND TRUTHING EARLIER THAN RATHER THAN LATER. OKAY. UM, SO WE GET THAT DONE. GREAT. AND KATE THOMPSON, QUICK COMMENT, UH, OFF, UM, WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER SHRIMP SAID, UM, BUT SOMETIMES I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT SOMETIMES I'M LOOKING IN INTO THE FUTURE AND THERE MIGHT BE DIFFERENT PROPERTY OWNERS FOR SOME OF THOSE CENTERS AND SO THEY MAY ACTUALLY REALLY LIKE TO HAVE SOME OF THE UM, YOU KNOW, THE MIXED USE AND OTHER ELEMENTS, UM, SUGGESTED. AND SO I DON'T LOOK AT IT AS JUST TODAY I LOOK AT IT FOR THE ENTIRE GENERAL PLAN, SO RIGHT. THAT'S THE THING WITH THE GENERAL PLAN, THERE IS NO ONE SPECIFIC ANSWER FOR EVERY SINGLE QUESTION. BUT AT EIGHT, AT EIGHT 30, UH, FIVE, WE ARE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.