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AT THIS TIME, WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UM, OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ANY ITEMS THAT ARE NOT AGENDIZED.
SO, WE'LL, WE WILL SAVE THAT COMMENT FOR WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT ON THE AGENDA, WHICH WILL BE SHORTLY.
UM, DO WE HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL PRESENTATIONS TONIGHT.
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ANY DISCUSSION, CORRECTIONS, COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES FROM THE MAY 2ND MEETING? ALRIGHT, SO ARE THOSE, UH, WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN.
MINUTES FROM MAY 4TH ARE APPROVED.
THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THOSE TOGETHER, CLAUDIA, AS ALWAYS.
[PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION]
WE ARE ONTO PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION, WHICH TONIGHT IS, UH, TITLE 16 REVISION.AND I BELIEVE WE DO HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT FROM, UH, MR. ASHTON TONIGHT.
UH, SO I BELIEVE NOW IS THE TIME FOR THAT IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP.
AND I BELIEVE, UH, WE ARE SUPPOSED TO STICK TO THREE MINUTES, BUT SINCE YOU'RE MY ONLY CARD, WE CAN BE A LITTLE BIT FLEXIBLE ON THAT.
UH, MARK ASH, JEN PETALUMA AIRPORT 5 5 1 SKY WRENCH DRIVE, SUITE D.
AND I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF PETALUMA PILOT TRAINING CENTER.
WANTED TO JUST HAVE A, A FEW COMMENTS ON THE, UM, PROPOSED REVISION.
UH, I'D PREVIOUSLY BEEN A MEMBER OF YOUR BOARD THERE, UM, A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO.
AND I, I KNOW THAT, UM, THIS HAS BEEN A LONG PROCESS BECAUSE I THINK WAY BACK IN THE DINOSAUR DAYS, WE WORKED ON THIS AS WELL.
I HAPPY TO SEE A LOT OF THOSE CORRECTIONS, UH, SOME JUST VERBIAGE AND WHATNOT.
AND, UM, THE ONE, THE ONE ITEM THAT KIND OF CAUGHT MY EYE WAS, UH, 16.04040 PROPOSED REVISION CONCERNING BASED FLIGHT INSTRUCTORS, WHICH, AND MY PAGE, WHICH PAGE IS THAT? ON PAGE, PAGE FIVE, THE TOP.
AND JUST FOR, UH, CLARIFICATION, THAT'S ATTACHMENT THREE, UH, IN YOUR PACKET.
UH, AND IT IS PAGE FIVE OF ATTACHMENT THREE.
UH, 16 0 4, 0 4 0, UH, SECTION B.
SO I HAD SOME, UH, CONCERN WITH THIS PARTICULAR REVISION.
UM, I KNOW WE SPOKE TO THIS, YOU KNOW, 20 YEARS AGO AND SUBSEQUENTLY A NUMBER OF TIMES WHY THIS REVISION WAS, UM, BEING LOOKED OVER.
AND MOST OF THE TIME THERE'S A, THERE'S A REASON FOR RULES AND REGULATION.
YOU'RE TRYING TO SHAPE, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE'S BEHAVIOR.
AND THIS ONE HERE SPECIFICALLY SPELLS OUT FLIGHT INSTRUCTORS, WHICH I AM, I AM A FLIGHT INSTRUCTOR ALMOST AS LONG AS MR. LAWRENCE HERE, BUT NOT QUITE.
AND, UM, MY QUESTION WOULD BE, DO WE HAVE A PROBLEM THAT NECESSITATES THIS RULE? DO WE HAVE STUDENTS THAT ARE BEING SUPERVISED BY THEIR FLIGHT INSTRUCTORS CAUSING A RUCKUS AT THE AIRPORT? NOW, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE DO.
'CAUSE I PERSONALLY HAVEN'T HAD ANY CLIENTS CAUSE A RUCKUS.
UM, THERE'S SIX FLIGHT INSTRUCTORS AT OUR FLIGHT SCHOOL, AND, UM, WE PROBABLY HAVE APPROXIMATELY 60 CLIENTS RIGHT NOW OBTAINING CERTIFICATES OF ONE SORT OR ANOTHER.
AND THIS JUST SEEMS A BURDEN TO ME FOR ME.
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I HAVE TO SAY, OKAY, IF YOU'RE GONNA GO ON AND THIS IS GONNA BECOME PART OF THE, THE CODE, THEN WHAT PART OF THIS AM I RESPONSIBLE FOR TO MY CLIENTS? THIS SEEMS LIKE THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A CYA, AND NOW I HAVE TO TAKE THE POSITION OF CYA, SO THEREFORE I HAVE TO GIVE INSTRUCTION ON THIS DOCUMENT TO MY CLIENTS AND TO DO MY DUE DILIGENCE.THEN I HAVE TO GIVE 'EM A QUIZ TO MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND THIS.
AND THEN I HAVE TO COME UP WITH AN ENDORSEMENT TO PUT IN THEIR OFFICIAL RECORD STATING THAT ALL THIS HAS BEEN DONE.
BECAUSE IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN, THEN YOU WOULD COME BACK TO ME AND SAY, WELL, WHAT HAPPENED? DID YOU TELL THIS PERSON ABOUT THIS? AND I DON'T HAVE THAT RECORD? THEN WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE ME? NOW, I DON'T KNOW OF ANY OTHER AIRPORT IN THIS AREA.
PERHAPS WE HAVE INFORMATION ON THIS THAT HAS SUCH A RULE.
AND ONE OF THE REASONS THE FA IS IN EXISTENCE IS SO WE DON'T HAVE A PATCHWORK QUILT OF RULES THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE COUNTRY.
RIGHT? AND EVEN IN THIS DOCUMENT ITSELF, UM, 16.0 4.020, YOU'RE CITING, UM, THE FAA HERE AND IT SAYS, COVERS ALL FLIGHTS ON OR IN THE VICINITY OF AN AIRPORT.
SO YOU ALREADY HAVE THE AUTHORITY FROM THE FAA THAT I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M GIVING THE INSTRUCTION THAT'S NECESSARY.
AND I HAVE HERE THE AIRMAN CERTIFICATION STANDARD.
THIS IS WHAT PILOTS ARE CURRENTLY TESTED ON.
THIS ONE JUST HAPPENS TO BE THE PRIVATE PILOT.
THERE'S ONE FOR INSTRUMENT, THERE'S ONE FOR COMMERCIAL, A-T-P-C-F-I, AND THE, LIKE IN HERE, THERE IS 25 DOCUMENTS.
THERE'S THE LIST, THERE'S 25 DOCUMENTS THAT I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR, AND SOME OF THESE DOCUMENTS.
HERE'S ONE AC, WHICH STANDS FOR ADVISORY CIRCULAR, 91 DASH 73 FLIGHT SCHOOL PROCEDURES DURING TAXI OPERATIONS.
WELL, IN HERE, IN THIS DOCUMENT IN IN 16, IT TALKS ABOUT TAXIING, RIGHT? TALKS ABOUT TAKEOFF AND LANDING, TALKS ABOUT THE PATTERN.
PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING THAT YOU TALK ABOUT IN HERE IS ALREADY DISCUSSED.
AND OUR CLIENTS NEED TO KNOW THIS STUFF, RIGHT? AND WHEN THEY GO TO TAKE THEIR TEST WITH THE FAA, THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS INFORMATION.
SO AGAIN, IT KIND OF GETS BACK TO MY ORIGINAL QUESTION.
IS THERE A NEED FOR THIS? IT SEEMS UNNECESSARY.
WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS IN THE PAST.
PERHAPS YOU DIDN'T HAVE THAT HISTORY OF PAST DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE, THE TITLE 16.
SO IF YOU'RE WANNA WRAP UP, THAT WOULD BE OKAY.
WELL, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT TO TALK ABOUT IN HERE.
AND AGAIN, IN THE BIG SCHEME OF THINGS, I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A GOOD DOCUMENT.
THERE IS ONE THING I'D JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT AT THE END.
ULTRA LIGHTS, UM, CHAPTER 1632, AND SPECIFICALLY 16.32030.
IT CITES FAA ORDER SEVENTY ONE TEN NINE.
THAT'S THIS DOCUMENT RIGHT HERE.
THIS DOCUMENT REALLY DOESN'T SPEAK TO WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THIS DOCUMENT IN YOUR TITLE 16.
THIS DOCUMENT WAS FOR TOWER CONTROLLED AIRPORTS.
THERE'S NO MENTION OF NONT TOWERED AIRPORTS IN HERE.
SO, HOPEFULLY, UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I JUST WOULD BRING UP IS, IN YOUR DEFINITIONS AND ABBREVIATIONS, THERE'S NO GUIDANCE AS TO, UH, BASE FLIGHT INSTRUCTOR.
WHO IS THAT? WHAT ABOUT FREELANCE FLIGHT INSTRUCTORS? WHAT ABOUT FLIGHT INSTRUCTORS THAT COME IN FROM OTHER AIRPORTS AND USE OUR AIRPORT? SO I THINK AS, AS A LOCAL FLIGHT INSTRUCTOR, WE'RE KIND OF BEING SINGLED OUT HERE.
AND APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME TO GO THROUGH THE, THE DOCUMENT TO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL.
DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, COMMISSION DISCUSSION ON, ON THAT PIECE OR OTHER PIECES OF, OF THE DOCUMENT? UH, I, I DO, I, UH, ACTUALLY HAD A CHANCE TO TALK WITH MR. ASHTON THIS MORNING ABOUT IT.
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A CFI MYSELF, I, UH, SHARE SOME OF THE SAME CONCERNS.UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS IN TITLE 16.
A LOT OF IT ALSO TENDS TO FOCUS AROUND, UM, TENANTS AND HANGERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE DOCUMENT HERE, I MEAN, IT DOESN'T SAY SPECIFICALLY, IT SAYS, ALL BASE FLIGHT INSTRUCTORS SHALL INFORM THEIR STUDENTS OF THE RULES AND REGULATIONS CONTAINED IN TITLE 16.
WELL, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS CONTAINED IN TITLE 16.
SO IS IT MY RESPONSIBILITY TO ALSO GO THROUGH AND TALK ABOUT ANIMALS ON THE AIRPORT? YEAH.
I MEAN, IF I OMIT THOSE THINGS, TECHNICALLY, YOU KNOW, I'M IN VIOLATION OF THE RULE HERE.
SO AS IT'S WRITTEN, I AGREE, I WOULDN'T, I WOULD NOT SUPPORT THIS AS WRITTEN, AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S REALLY A NEED TO HAVE IT AS IT IS.
UM, SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE ONE THING.
AND ACTUALLY, JUST LOOKING BELOW THIS REAL QUICK, UM, MOST, MOST OF THE STUFF THAT I HAVE ON TITLE 16 IS, IS FINE.
IT LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GONE OVER THIS QUITE A BIT, BUT I JUST NOTICED THIS WHILE LOOKING AT THE FLIGHT INSTRUCTOR, UM, VERBIAGE HERE THAT, UH, RADIO COMMUNICATION.
SO IT SAYS, RADIO COMMUNICATIONS AT THE AIRPORT SHALL BE CONDUCTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH PROCEDURES AND BY MEANS THE PH PH PHRASEOLOGY IS RECOMMENDED BY THE FAA.
AND THE A IM NAME THING IS, THE AIM IS NOT REGULATORY.
AND BY READING THIS, IT SAYS RADIO COMMUNICATIONS AT THE AIRPORT SHALL.
SO I'M INTERPRETING THIS TO BE THAT IT IS A REQUIREMENT THAT, UH, RADIO COMMUNICATIONS BE CONDUCTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH SOMETHING THAT ISN'T ACTUALLY REGULATORY.
UM, AND AGAIN, IT MAKES ME WONDER, DO WE EVEN NEED THIS IN HERE TO BEGIN WITH? UM, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S, THERE'S THINGS THAT DO NEED TO BE IN HERE, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THINGS, UH, THAT AREN'T, THAT DON'T REALLY DEAL WITH THINGS ON THE GROUND AT THE AIRPORT, WHEN YOU GET IN THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME COMMENTS ABOUT, UH, TRAFFIC PATTERNS AND, AND WHERE TO ENTER THE 45 WHEN YOU HAVE TO BE AT PATTERN ALTITUDE.
YOU KNOW, THOSE THINGS ARE KIND OF GETTING IN, IN, UH, POTENTIALLY CONFLICTING WITH FAA REGULATIONS.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S NECESSARY TO HAVE 'EM IN HERE.
BUT, UM, MY BIGGEST POINT IS I AGREE WITH MR. ASHTON REGARDING THE, UH, THE FLIGHT INSTRUCTOR COMMENT.
UM, I HAD THE SAME REACTION WHEN I READ THAT, EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT A CFI, UM, I WAS INSTRUCTED BY A GOOD ONE.
UM, BUT THAT WAS MY THOUGHT TOO.
SO PERHAPS WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT REFERRING TO THE, UM, FAA, UH, REQUIREMENTS THAT, UH, MR. ASHTON MENTIONED AND PUT THAT IN, UM, OVER THE YEARS, I KNOW WE'VE HAD LOTS OF OPPORTUNITIES TO, UH, GO THROUGH TITLE 16 PLUS MINIMUM STANDARDS AND ALL OF THAT.
AND, UH, FREQUENTLY WE'VE GOTTEN INTO A KIND OF A CONFLICT WHERE WE'VE TRIED TO RESTATE THINGS THAT WERE IN THE FAA REQUIREMENTS SORT OF TWEAKED A LITTLE OR WHATEVER, AND THEY MAY NOT MATCH EXACTLY.
AND THAT IS SOMETIMES A CAUSE FOR CONFUSION.
SO JUST WANT TO TRY TO AVOID THAT.
SO I, I AGREE WITH YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON THAT.
UM, DAN, THE QUESTION WAS ASKED ABOUT THE MOTIVATION FOR THAT.
ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY INCIDENTS OR, OR DRIVING FACTORS BEHIND THAT ADDITION? 'CAUSE I, I TEND TO AGREE THAT IT SEEMS A LITTLE BIT UNNECESSARY GIVEN THE FAA REQUIREMENTS, BUT IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS DRIVING IT, I'D LIKE TO HEAR.
YEAH, JUST TO CLARIFY, IS THIS THE 16 0 4 0 4 0 B THAT WE'RE YES.
THE, THE PILOT, UM, TRAINING? YES.
AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, UH, THIS IS THE CURRENT TITLE 16.
IT'S JUST, IT WAS REMOVED FROM A, A ORIGINAL REVISION SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
UM, BUT THIS ACTUALLY IS, IS CURRENT MUNICIPAL CODE.
SO WE WOULD ESSENTIALLY NOT BE ADDING IT.
UM, JUST TO CLARIFY THAT, UM, I DON'T KNOW, THE, I'M NOT SURE THE, UH, HISTORY BEHIND THIS.
MY GUESS IS THAT THE INTENT WAS FOR, UM, FLIGHT SCHOOLS TO MAKE THEIR STUDENTS AWARE THAT THERE IS A MUNICIPAL CODE THAT DOES COVER THE AIRPORT.
MOST OF THAT MUNICIPAL CODE WILL NOT APPLY TO A STUDENT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT A TENANT.
UM, THEY'RE ONLY GONNA BE USING, UM, THE MOVEMENT NON-MOVEMENT AREA FOR, FOR AIRCRAFT TRAINING, MAYBE DRIVING TO A HANGAR.
UM, SO I, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT THIS REQUIREMENT COULD BE FULFILLED VERY EASILY.
WE'VE ALREADY REACHED OUT TO THE, THE FLIGHT SCHOOLS TO OFFER SOME, YOU KNOW, ALTERNATIVES AND, UM, OPTIONS.
UM, BUT YEAH, JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS IS NOT ADDING, THIS IS REMOVING, IF, UM, IF THIS IS REMOVED FROM MAYOR, THEN BE REMOVED FROM THE, THE ORIGINAL, UM, YEAH, IT'S, THE ORIGINAL IS 16 0 4 0 5 0.
I, YES, THE, THE NUMBER I THINK PROBABLY CHANGED, BUT THE 1990 VERSION, UH, AND DID IT INCLUDE THIS? SO THERE WAS NO PRECIPITATING EVENT.
THIS HAS BEEN THE WAY IT'S BEEN FOR A LONG TIME, AND WE AREN'T AWARE OF ANY HISTORY THAT CAUSED THAT.
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OVERABUNDANCE OF CAUTION.MY GUESS IS WHATEVER, UH, DISCUSSIONS OR ISSUES THERE WERE, UH, WERE BACK IN THE, UM, MID TO LATE EIGHTIES, MOST LIKELY THAT GENERATED THIS PARTICULAR REQUIREMENT.
AND THE OTHER THING THAT'S PROBABLY WORTH MENTIONING TOO, IS THAT IT, JUST BECAUSE IT'S NOT REQUIRED DOESN'T MEAN THAT AS A BEST PRACTICE, THERE CAN'T BE SOME SORT OF, YOU KNOW, LIST OF MOST IMPORTANT THINGS THAT WOULD APPLY TO, YOU KNOW, STUDENT PILOTS THAT COULD BE HANDED OUT, YOU KNOW, AS A, AS A FIVE MINUTE, YOU KNOW, FAMILIARIZATION FROM THE FLIGHT SCHOOLS.
UM, BUT HAVING IT, YOU KNOW, WORDED THE WAY THAT IT IS, WHERE IT, THE ONUS IS ON THE CFI TO BASICALLY MAKE A STUDENT FULLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THEM.
AND THAT COULD TAKE UP AN ENTIRE, AN ENTIRE GROUND LESSON.
SO, UM, IF IT'S, IF THE PLAN, SO WITH IT, IF BEING THAT IT'S IN RED HERE IS, IS THE INTENT, IS THE INTENT TO REMOVE THIS FROM THE LATEST REVISION OR, UM, THE, THAT PARTICULAR SECTION WAS PROVIDED TO THE COMMISSIONERS WITH THE, UM, WITH THE PACKET.
UM, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY HIGHLIGHTED IN THIS FOR REMOVAL OR TO LEAVE IN, UM, WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE EVERYBODY AWARE OF THIS, BECAUSE THIS WAS A LATE, UM, SHALL WE CALL IT AN ADD BACK IN BY THE CITY ATTORNEY? THE CITY ATTORNEY DID ONE QUICK PASS ON THE, UH, THE LATEST REVISION.
THIS WAS ON ONE ITEM THAT THEY WERE INTERESTED IN KEEPING IN.
UM, AND E EITHER WAY WE, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THE COMMISSION FEELS THAT THIS NEEDS TO COME OUT, UM, I GUESS THE, YOU COULD ESSENTIALLY APPROVE TITLE 16 REVISION WITH THAT REMOVED AND SEE IF THAT IS ACCEPTABLE TO THE CITY AND SEE IF THAT GOES TO COUNCIL.
UM, THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT OPTIONS THERE, BUT, UH, WE LOOK TO THE COMMISSION TO SEE WHAT, WHAT THE INTENT WOULD BE THERE, YOUR HONOR.
YEAH, GO AHEAD, MS. IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD PUT IN WRITING AND THEN JUST HAVE THE FLIGHT INSTRUCTOR GIVE IT TO THE STUDENT TO SIGN? AND, YOU KNOW, WE ALL GET THOSE WHEN WE, WE TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY IF WE DO SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO NOT HOLD THEM RESPONSIBLE FOR SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS.
CAN, CAN, IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN GET LIKE THE CITY ATTORNEY TO WRITE UP THAT DOESN'T HOLD THE, THE INSTRUCTOR RESPONSIBLE, BUT THAT HE HAS PROVIDED THE INFORMATION AND SIGNING IT, PROVES IT SO THAT THAT WOULD BE, UM, MY INTERPRETATION OF IT JUST SAYS, SHALL INFORM THEIR STUDENTS.
UM, THAT CAN BE JUST PROVIDING THEM A COPY.
UM, THE, AS WE HAVE OFFERED TO THE FLIGHT, UH, SCHOOLS, IF, IF THIS GOES FORWARD AND STAYS INTO THE, THE MUNICIPAL CODE, WE CAN PROVIDE PRINTED COPIES.
WE CAN PROVIDE DIGITAL COPIES, WHATEVER THE, THE METHODS AND MEANS OF, UM, GIVING STUDENTS THEIR INFORMATION FOR THEIR FLIGHT TRAINING.
WE COULD PROVIDE INSERTS FOR THAT, UM, IN ALL KINDS OF FORMS TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE FLIGHT SCHOOLS ARE COMPLYING WITH THIS RIGHT NOW, 'CAUSE THIS IS, IT IS MUNICIPAL CODE CURRENTLY.
UM, BUT IF THERE WERE CONCERNS WITH, UM, BEING ABLE TO CONTINUE TO MEET THIS REQUIREMENT, UM, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE EASIEST WAY TO DO IT, IS TO PROVIDE A PRINTED COPY TO EVERY STUDENT, WHICH THE CITY WOULD PROVIDE AT NO COST, UM, AND WOULD DELIVER THAT TO EACH SCHOOL AS NEEDED.
SO IF WE APPROVE THIS THIS EVENING AND MOVE IT FORWARD, IT THEN GOES TO THE COUNCIL? YES.
UH, THE, THE, UM, COMMISSION, AIRPORT COMMISSION RESOLUTION THAT, UM, IS, IS UP FOR TONIGHT, WOULD THEN BE PASSED TO THE, UM, THOSE, THOSE REVISIONS, THOSE AMENDMENTS WILL BE PASSED TO THE COUNCIL.
THE COUNCIL RESOLUTION WOULD BE HAVE A FIRST READING, UM, SCHEDULED FOR DECEMBER 2ND, ASSUMING THAT THIS, THAT IT PASSED THE, THE COMMISSION, AND THEN A SECOND READING A COUPLE WEEKS LATER.
HOWEVER, IF THE AIRBORN COMMISSION THINKS THAT THEY KNOW HAVE MORE TIME, OR THERE'S MORE DISCUSSION NEEDED, OR RESEARCH OR WHATEVER IT IS, WE CAN ALWAYS DELAY THAT PROCESS.
WE'RE NOT ANY, WE'RE NOT IN ANY RUSH.
THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR ALMOST FIVE YEARS NOW.
UM, BUT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S SIGNIFICANT, UM, UH, ISSUES, WE DEFINITELY WANNA ADDRESS THOSE.
LIKE I, LIKE I MENTIONED, I, I DON'T SEE ANY ISSUE WITH, UM, IF ALL THE COMMISSIONERS WERE IN FAVOR, OR AT LEAST THE MAJORITY WERE IN FAVOR OF REMOVING THAT ITEM AND THEN APPROVING THOSE PROPOSED CHANGES AT, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT THAT SECTION B, UM, I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE IF THERE IS A, A MAJORITY FOR THAT.
SO IF WE HAD SOMETHING FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY, WOULD THEIR RIGHTS, LIKE A DISCLAIMER OR WHATEVER, I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW THE LEGAL LANGUAGE THAT DOESN'T HOLD THE, UM, CITY RESPONSIBLE OR THE FLIGHT INSTRUC RESPONSIBLE AND THEY UNDERSTAND ALL THE, ALL THE TITLE 16 REQUIREMENTS OF A STUDENT.
THERE, THERE IS ANOTHER SECTION THAT SAYS EVERYONE THAT VISITS THE AIRPORT IS SUBJECT TO THE MUNICIPAL CODE.
SO THAT DOES COVER ALL THESE THINGS.
I THINK JUST FOR, FOR SOME REASON, THIS WAS WRITTEN IN ORIGINALLY TO ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT FLYING INSTRUCTORS WERE PASSING THIS INFORMATION TO STUDENTS, THE FLIGHT
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SCHOOLS, SOME WAY FOR THE FLIGHT SCHOOL TO TELL THEIR STUDENTS ABOUT THESE IN, UM, MUNICIPAL CODE.UM, BEYOND THAT, YOU KNOW, I I, AS FAR AS DISCLAIMERS OR WHATNOT, I DON'T THINK ANYONE IS NEEDED.
AS LONG AS YOU'RE MAKING YOUR STUDENT AWARE OF IT, I THINK THAT WOULD FILL THE REQUIREMENT.
SO, SO THEY SIGN IT, THEY SIGN IT, AND THEN YOU PUT IT IN THEIR FILE.
I DON'T EVEN THINK A SIGNATURE WOULD BE NEEDED.
I MEAN, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY KIND OF CONFIRMATION ALL WELL, THAT WOULD JUST BE PROOF.
YEAH, LIKE TODAY, IF WE WENT OUT TOMORROW, UM, THE REQUIREMENT IS, SHALL INFORM THEIR STUDENTS.
AS LONG AS THE STUDENT'S BEING INFORMED, IT COULD BE EVEN ON THE WALL RIGHT THERE, YOU SAY, HEY, THERE IT IS, IT'S ON THE WALL, IT'S ON THE DESK, HERE'S A COPY.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF WAYS TO, YOU KNOW, TO FULFILL THAT REQUIREMENT.
AND WE'RE NOT GONNA GO AROUND MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S SIGNATURES FOR ALL THAT.
THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT THE INTENT.
WELL, SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE APPROVED THIS EVENING.
IT DOESN'T THAT WAY WE, WE ANSWER ALL THESE QUESTIONS MM-HMM.
AND WE COULD, UM, SEND ANOTHER REVISED VERSION, UH, TO THE AIRPORT COMMISSION, ASSUMING THERE IS A MEETING NEXT MONTH, UH, WE COULD HAVE A REVISED VERSION, UM, THAT HAS ANY, ANY OF THESE THINGS REMOVED OR EDITED AS, AS THE COMMISSION SEES FIT.
UH, I MEAN THAT, THAT ALL MAKES SENSE TO ME.
BUT I, I KEEP GOING BACK TO THE, THE ISSUE ABOUT IF IT'S NOT NECESSARY TO HAVE IT IN HERE, THEN WHY DO WE NEED TO HAVE IT IN HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE? RIGHT.
SO I'D, I'D BE IN FAVOR OF JUST REMOVING IT, AND THEN THAT WAY NOBODY REALLY HAS TO WORRY ABOUT IT.
WOULD, UH, AN ALTERNATIVE LANGUAGE OF, YOU KNOW, SHALL PROVIDE OR MAKE AWARE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BE A, A MIDDLE GROUND I IT PROVIDE HERE, UH, PROVIDE, UM, NOT NECESSARILY A HARD COPY, BUT A, A WAY OF PHRASING IT JUST TO PROVIDE RIGHT.
UM, SHALL INFORM IS INTERPRETING IF YOU'RE, YOU HAVE TO INFORM YOUR EMPLOYEES ABOUT CALIFORNIA LABOR LAWS.
YOU PUT A POSTER IN THE BREAK ROOM.
YOU DON'T TALK TO EVERY SINGLE PERSON AND MAKE THEM TAKE A TEST ON THOSE LABOR LAWS.
SO I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF ROOM FOR INTERPRETATION IN, IN THE SHELL AND FORM, AND I, I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE THOROUGHNESS OF THE FLIGHT INSTRUCTOR DESIRE TO REALLY NAIL THAT DOWN.
BUT, BUT I, I DO SEE HOW THAT COULD BE INTERPRETED VERY LOOSELY.
AND I DO FEEL THAT IF WE TRY TO TAKE THIS COMPLETELY OUT, GIVEN THAT IT WAS IN THE 1990 VERSION, THAT WE MAY RUN INTO SOME CHALLENGES WITH THE, THE CITY LEGAL REVIEW OF, OF THE DOCUMENT.
SO MAYBE A MIDDLE GROUND POSITION WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE THAN A FULL REMOVAL BASELINE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO GO BACK AND FORTH, BUT, UM, DAN, ARE WE ALLOWED TO ENGAGE IN A DISCUSSION? UNFORTUNATELY, WE CAN'T REALLY START A DISCUSSION.
UM, BUT IF THERE'S ENOUGH, I GUESS, INTEREST IN TABLING THIS, THEN THAT COULD BE ROOM FOR DISCUSSION NEXT, NEXT MONTH.
I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I, I'M NOT, I DO ACTUALLY HAVE ANOTHER, UH, JUST GENERAL QUESTION THAT IS RELATED TO THIS AND RELATED TO THE ISSUE OF KIND OF BEING DUPLICATIVE WITH EXISTING FAA REGULATIONS.
UM, THAT POINT WAS VERY MUCH HEARD.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, FOR INSTANCE, THE VERY FIRST THING ON THE PROPOSED REVISIONS TABLE IS AN ADDITION OF A DEFINITION OF AERONAUTICAL ACTIVITY THAT IS ACTUALLY CURRENTLY UNDER REVISION WITHIN THE FAA RIGHT NOW.
SO IF WE COPY THE CURRENT AERONAUTICAL ACTIVITIES DEFINITION INTO THIS DOCUMENT WITHIN THE YEAR, IT'S GONNA BE OBSOLETE.
I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD BE DUPLICATING FAA GUIDANCE AND REGULATORY MATERIALS AND DEFINITIONS WHEN WE COULD REFERENCE THAT THOSE EXIST.
I MEAN, FAA IS GOING TO SUPERSEDE ANYTHING THAT WE PUT HERE ANYHOW.
SO I FEEL LIKE THERE'S A, AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, CU A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MATERIAL OUT OF HERE IN FAVOR OF JUST REALLY BEING CLEAR ABOUT WHAT THE FAA ALREADY COVERS.
UM, I, I DON'T KNOW IF OTHER FOLKS FEEL THAT WAY.
I, I, I AGREE A HUNDRED PERCENT.
I MEAN, IT WOULD TAKE SOME TIME TO DO, WE'RE, WE'RE DEALING WITH THE DOCUMENT NOW.
THE 1990 VERSION, YOU KNOW, IS, IS EXTREMELY OLD.
IT, IF IT'S GONNA BE ANOTHER 30 YEARS BEFORE WE GO THROUGH AND, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY REVISE THIS.
I, I'M FULLY IN FAVOR SINCE, SINCE THE FAA, UH, DEFINITIONS ARE, ARE GOING TO, UH, RULE ANYWAY.
I'D BE FULLY IN FAVOR OF, YOU KNOW, REWRITING THIS TO REFERENCE THOSE MATERIALS SO THAT AS THOSE CHANGE AT THE FAA, THEN OUR DOC, THAT WAY OUR DOCUMENT STAYS UP DATE YEAH.
AS, AS MUCH AS PO AS MUCH AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.
BUT JUST TO ADD, UM, JUST, JUST TO KEEP IN MIND, UH, THE DEFINITIONS, UM, ARE BASED ON THE TERMS THAT ARE USED IN THE DOCUMENT.
SO IF WE DON'T, IF WE'RE REFERRING TO THOSE TO ANOTHER FA DOCUMENT, IT'S GONNA BE HARD FOR PEOPLE TO READ.
UH, YEAH, THE PRACTICALITY ASPECT OF IT IS A CHALLENGE.
BUT IF THERE'S A CONCERN ABOUT A PARTICULAR TERM THAT MAY BE
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CHANGING, MAYBE THAT'S ONE THAT NEEDS TO BE REWORDED AND THEN REMOVED, THAT WAY IT DOESN'T CONFLICT WITH ANOTHER DEFINITION THAT WE, THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO THEN UPDATE AGAIN.SO, UM, THAT'S ANOTHER OP OPTION AS WELL.
OR A, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TO AERONAUTICAL ACTIVITIES, THERE MAY BE IN THE FUTURE AERONAUTICAL ACTIVITIES THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY DEFINED.
SO ADDING LANGUAGE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE LEAVE IT AS IS PUTTING AN AMENDMENT IN THERE TO INCLUDE LANGUAGE THAT WOULD REFERENCE THE LEAVE THE DOOR OPEN FOR POTENTIAL FUTURE, UM, ACTIVITIES THAT AREN'T CURRENTLY DEFINED, SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT MAY MAYBE A SOLUTION TO THAT.
DID ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE OTHER AREAS IN THE DOCUMENT THAT THEY WANTED TO RAISE TONIGHT? NO, GO AHEAD.
UM, ACTUALLY, UH, I'D LIKE TO ASK MARK, 'CAUSE I WASN'T CLEAR.
IT'S JUST A CLARIFYING QUESTION ABOUT THIS, THE SEC, THE ISSUE AND THE DOCUMENT WHERE WE'RE REFERRING TO THE WRONG, UH, FAA ADVISORY.
I THINK IT, UM, LEMME SEE IF I CAN FIND IT.
IT IS, I THINK YOU SAID 16 POINT 32 0 3.
IF, IF I MAY, I BELIEVE, UH, WHAT HE WAS REFERRING TO IS, UH, YEAH, UH, 16 3 2 0 3 0, THE FA ORDER.
I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE, THE COMMENT, UM, DOES NOT MENTION, UH, NON TOWERED AIRPORTS IN THAT PARTICULAR SECTION.
I, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WAS MY AD.
SO I JUST, SO I, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT FAA ORDER 7 1 1 0 0.99 AND SEE IF WE CAN FIND EQUIVALENT FOR A PILOT CONTROLLED AIRPORT LIKE OURS INSTEAD OF, UM, A TOWER CONTROLLED AIRPORT, IF I'VE GOT THAT RIGHT.
BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE NOTED THAT.
THAT'S A REALLY INTERESTING INTERPRETATION QUESTION AS TO WHETHER THAT WOULD APPLY TO OUR AIRPORT.
'CAUSE IT SPEAKS TO AIR TRAFFIC MANAGERS, NOT AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS.
SO IT'S POSSIBLE THAT FROM A MANAGEMENT PERSPECTIVE, THAT DOES APPLY BECAUSE WE ARE SELF-MANAGING OUR AIRPORT.
UM, MIGHT SUGGEST, UH, POSSIBLY WE'RE NOT GONNA SORT THAT OUT TONIGHT JUST FOR THE RECORD, BUT COULD ONE OF THE SUBCOMMITTEES, UM, ATD HOC SUBCOMMITTEES POTENTIALLY MAYBE WORKSHOP THIS A LITTLE BIT WITH SOME OF THESE? BECAUSE LIKE, UH, THE CONCERN IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CITY DOESN'T KNOW WHICH SECTIONS ARE THE ONES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, SO IT'D BE GREAT IF THERE COULD BE JUST A LITTLE WORKSHOP INSIDE OF ONE OF THE, MAYBE ONE OF THE, UH, AD HOC SUBCOMMITTEES TO SORT OF, UM, HIGHLIGHT THE ITEMS THAT ARE OF CONCERN.
UM, AND THEN MAYBE THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
THAT WAY WE CAN GO THROUGH A, A, SOME SORT OF REVISION TO THAT.
UM, AND THEN, UM, JUST, JUST TO THE, UH, REFERENCES TO AERONAUTICAL, THAT HAS BEEN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT, THERE ARE A LOT OF REFERENCES THAT ARE EITHER NO LONGER CURRENT OR ARE TOO SPECIFIC, UM, THAT, THAT SHOULDN'T BE LISTED THERE.
AND SO THE INTENT ORIGINALLY TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WAS TO KIND OF BACK A LOT OF THOSE OUT TO MAKE IT, UM, AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE WHILE REFERENCING, UM, SECTIONS OF, OF THE FAA, UH, RULES AND REGS, UM, AND, AND, AND FARS IN, IN, INSTEAD OF TRYING TO QUOTE THE, UM, THE CURRENT REGULATIONS.
SO I THINK THAT WAS THE INTENT, BUT THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A FEW THAT WERE MISSED.
SO, UM, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR ANOTHER REVIEW OF THAT.
I JUST, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE COULD BE DONE WITHIN THE AD.
HOW MUCH BEFORE DECEMBER 2ND, WOULD THAT NEED TO BE COMPLETED? WELL, UM, OUR TIMETABLE WITH COUNCIL IS ALL BASED ON THE APPROVAL, UH, FROM AIRPORT COMMISSION.
SO WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT ANY, UM, THERE'S, THERE'S NO, UM, SCHEDULE WITH THIS.
AND IT CAN BE DELAYED AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
SO COUNCIL DATE, NOT OUR DATE.
THE OTHER THING I'M LOOKING AT HERE IS 16.20020 AIRPORT TRAFFIC PATTERNS.
UM, SPECIFICALLY D DELTA ENTRANCE TO THE PATTERN SHALL BE AT A 45 DEGREE ANGLE TO DOWNWIND LEG SHALL BE ESTABLISHED IN THE MIDDLE THIRD OF THE DOWNWIND LEG.
IT JUST GETS TO BE VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT PATTERN ENTRY.
I MEAN, THERE'S, THAT MAY BE A GOOD OPERATING PRACTICE, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER APPROVED METHODS.
UM, AND TO HAVE IT IN HERE, I MEAN, IT DOESN'T REALLY, IF YOU READ IT, I MEAN BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, SAYS THAT THAT'S THE WAY THAT ALL ENTRIES SHOULD BE.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WHEN, YOU KNOW, AS YOU GET INTO PATTERNS, YOU START TO GET IN THAT AREA OF WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE,
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THESE RULES COULD CONFLICT WITH CURRENT FAA REGULATIONS.SO I'D BE IN FAVOR OF REMOVING THINGS THAT MAY POTENTIALLY, UM, CONFLICT WITH, YOU KNOW, CURRENT OPERATING PRACTICES OR FAA REGULATIONS.
I HAD A ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT, UM, ORIGINAL INTENT, UM, IN 32.0 40, UH, THE UNMANNED AIRCRAFT SYSTEMS. UM, I THINK AS WE MOVE INTO THE BRAVE NEW WORLD HERE, UM, UNC CREWED AIRCRAFT SYSTEMS ARE NOT JUST DRONES AS, AS THIS SORT OF IMPLIES.
UM, SO IS THIS, UM, IF YOU, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE UN CREWED CESSNA CARAVANS FLYING TODAY, RIGHT? THAT WOULD BE USING THE TRAFFIC PATTERN THE SAME AS A PILOTED CARAVAN WOULD.
SO THIS WOULD POTENTIALLY REQUIRE THAT THAT AIRCRAFT, WHICH IS OF THE SIZE OF A MANNED AIRCRAFT, NOT BE ABLE TO APPROPRIATELY USE THE AIRPORT.
SO I THINK THERE'S SOME FUTURE PROOFING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE WITH, WITH THOSE KINDS OF REQUIREMENTS AS WELL.
UM, WHAT NUMBER IS THAT? UH, 32, UH, 0 4 0 16 3 2 4.
SO I, I DO THINK, UM, I, I THINK WE, IT DOES MAKE SENSE TO DO ONE MORE SCRUB OF, OF THINGS.
UM, AND I KNOW WE'VE HAD QUITE A LONG TIME WITHOUT A MEETING, SO IT FEELS LIKE WE WANNA JUST GET THINGS DONE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IF IT'S GONNA BE ANOTHER 35 YEARS, WE MIGHT AS WELL SPEND ANOTHER TWO MONTHS ON IT
SO YEAH, JUST, JUST TO LOOK, JUST TO, UM, FEEDBACK ON THAT.
UM, THERE COULD BE SOME CONFLICTS THERE.
UM, I GUESS THE, THE, THE DIFFICULTY WOULD BE HOW DO YOU DEFINE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A UAS THAT IS A FOOT WIDE VERSUS 40 FOOT WIDE, RIGHT? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DO REQUIRE THAT, UM, UH, LESS ADVANCED, UH, UUA S SYSTEMS AVOID ALL THEIR AIRCRAFT.
SO IT'D BE INTERESTING TO FIND A, MAYBE SOME LANGUAGE THAT WOULD HELP DEFINE THE DIFFERENCE.
AND THERE IS A, AN OPEN RULEMAKING RIGHT NOW TRYING TO GET IT OUT OF DOT WOULD, WOULD BE THE BEYOND VISUAL LINE OF SIGHT RULES FOR, FOR UNCURED AIRCRAFT OF LARGER THAN 55 POUNDS UP TO, YOU KNOW, LIGHT SPORT ISH AIRCRAFT SIZES.
UM, THAT WOULD PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL REGULATORY GUIDANCE FOR THAT SORT OF MIDDLE GROUND.
UM, MY PERSONAL SUGGESTION, MY AREA WOULD BE TO CRAFT VERBIAGE THAT, UH, REQUIRES THAT UNC CREWED AIRCRAFT INTERMIX AND, AND ABIDE BY EXISTING PROCEDURES WHERE POSSIBLE AND WHERE NOT STAY OUT OF THE WAY.
THAT'S GREAT FOR YOU TO THINK.
RIGHT? SO YOU DIFFERENTIATE BASED ON THE CAPABILITIES OF THE AIRCRAFT ITSELF.
YOU COULD ALSO USE THE BRIGHT LINE DEFINITION OF A SMALL UAS AT 55 POUNDS, BUT I THINK THAT MIGHT GET YOU INTO TROUBLE IN THE FUTURE AS WELL, GIVEN THAT CURRENT RULEMAKING EFFORT.
I AM FEELING LIKE WE'RE REACHING CONSENSUS AROUND THE IDEA OF GIVING THIS ONE MORE REALLY HEALTHY, GOOD SCRUB.
UM, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE POINT ON, ON DOING THAT.
UM, I GET ONE OTHER PERSON OR TWO OTHER PEOPLE FOR AD HOC COMMITTEE GUIDELINES, UH, UP TO THREE.
UP TO THREE, NOT A NON QUORUM.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET, UM, AND IF I ALREADY HAVE THIS, I APOLOGIZE.
UM, BUT THE ONLY FILE THAT I REMEMBER HIM RECEIVING OF THIS IS A PDF.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET THIS IN WORD FORMAT? SO ABSOLUTELY EDIT IT? YEAH, WE CAN GET A WORD.
UM, IN FACT, WE'LL SEND IT TO, WE'LL SEND A WORD VERSION OUT TO, TO EVERYONE.
UM, AND THEN JUST FOR PLANNING PURPOSES, UM, DO YOU THINK WE NEED ABOUT THE COMMISSION AND SUBCOMMITTEES NEED ABOUT MAYBE 60 DAYS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A MONTH TO SORT OF WORK THIS THROUGH, PRESENT A REVISION IN SAY, JANUARY, AND THEN WE COULD POTENTIALLY PUT THIS ON THE CALENDAR FOR COUNCIL IN FEBRUARY, SOMETHING.
WOULD THAT BE REASONABLE? OR IS THAT TOO MUCH? IS THAT TOO THROUGH THE HOLIDAYS? IS THAT TOO COMPRESSED? 'CAUSE WE CAN PUSH IT OUT A BIT.
UM, WHAT WOULD BE THE DEADLINE, UM, TO HAVE IT ON THE FEBRUARY AGENDA, UH, TO HAVE THE FEBRUARY AGENDA, WE'D REALLY NEED TO HAVE, UM, SOME, A DECISION BY THE EARLY, UM, DECEMBER.
SO THE FIRST DEC THE MEETING IN DECEMBER, WE'D HAVE TO HAVE IT BECAUSE IT HAS TO GO THROUGH CITY LEGAL REVIEW.
UM, IF THEY'RE MINOR CHANGES, I THINK WE COULD GET THAT DONE VERY QUICKLY.
UM, AND I, WHAT, IT SOUNDS LIKE THESE ARE PRETTY MINOR, HOPEFULLY.
SO DO, DO WE WANNA DO THAT, JUST MAYBE PUSH THIS AS FAR AS COUNCIL MAYBE UP TO FEBRUARY AND THEN PLAN ON HAVING MAYBE A FINAL VERSION JANUARY?
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IS THAT, OR IS THAT TOO MUCH? CAN WE, OR SHOULD WE GO FURTHER OUT? FEBRUARY AND MARCH? MARCH BEING THE COUNCIL? I KNOW IT'S HARD TO, IT'S HARD TO THREE MONTHS IN ADVANCE.I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY REASONABLE.
I'M SPEAKING FOR MY COMPATRIOTS HERE, BUT WE, SO FROM NOW UNTIL TILL NEXT MEETING DECEMBER, COMING UP WITH THAT REVISION, PRESENTING THAT REVISION, UM, OR SORRY, UM, THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS.
SO HAVING A REVISION, I DON'T THINK IT'S REASONABLE TO PRESENT EARLY DECEMBER, GIVEN THE THANKSGIVING HOLIDAY.
SO, BUT IF WE COULD PRESENT HERE IN JANUARY.
YOU KNOW, PROVIDE IT WRITTEN IN ADVANCE.
VOTE INTERNAL TO THE COMMISSION IN JANUARY.
AND THEN IF THAT GETS US ONTO THE FEBRUARY CITY COUNCIL AGENDA, THEN THAT PROBABLY, YEAH.
DO WE NEED A MOTION TO CREATE THE AD HOC COMMITTEE AND APPROVE? OH, YEAH.
HOW DO WE DO THAT? CLAUDIA
I, I MOVE, UH, THAT THREE OF US
UM, AND I'LL ADD THAT AS WITH A SPECIFIC GOAL OF, UH, REMOVING ANY DUPLICATIVE OR, OR CONFLICTING INFORMATION WITH EXISTING A REQUIREMENTS.
ALRIGHT, SO MOVE FAVOR IN FAVOR.
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UPDATES.WELL, IT'S BEEN, WHAT DO WE SAY, FOUR MONTHS THEN WE HAD OUR LAST MEETING,
SO THE CITY COUNCIL HAS BEEN VERY BUSY.
UM, I JUST WENT BACK THROUGH MY NOTES TO, TO JOT DOWN WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING.
UM, THE MOST RECENT THING THAT WE DID IS WE JUST APPROVED LAST WEEK A, UM, KIND OF A MASTER PLAN OF THE PAVING AND ROADWORK FOR SOME MAJOR ROADWAYS IN PETALUMA WITH THE SAFE ROUTE TO SCHOOLS.
ANYWAY, IT'LL BE FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
AND YOU CAN GO TO THE CITY WEBSITE, YOU CAN GO TO THE STREETS PUBLIC WORKS SECTION AND PUT IN YOUR STREET, AND YOU CAN FIND OUT WHERE IT IS ON THE LIST.
UM, FOR THE, YOU KNOW, EVERY STREET HAS A NUMBER OF GOOD TO BAD.
AND THE, UM, WORST ARE GETTING DONE.
LIKE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN ON ST.
FRANCIS IS IN FRONT OF ME WALK SCHOOL, AND IT'S DOWN TO GRAVEL.
AND IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH WHAT THEY DID ON RAIN, RAINIER AND MARIA WITH THE PIPES.
AND SO THEY'RE DOING SEWER AND WATER AND TRYING TO GET ALL THAT DONE.
AND THEN THEY'RE DOING SOME SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS FOR PEDESTRIANS AND BIKES.
UM, WE'RE WORKING ON OUR GENERAL PLAN, WHICH SHOULD BE FINALIZED NEXT YEAR.
AND WE'RE WORKING ON, UH, THERE'S MANY FRAMEWORKS.
THE LAND USE WAS THE MOST RECENT ONE THAT WE WORKED ON, UM, WHICH IS ALL ON THESE MAPS BEHIND YOU.
AND WE ALSO, UM, WE MOVE FORWARD THE DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPROVEMENT, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT FOR THE DOWNTOWN OVERLAY AND HOTEL.
AND THAT WILL GO BACK TO, UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND I'LL COME BACK TO THE CITY.
UM, THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING, UM, THE LUMA GO, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE SEEN IT AROUND TOWN, IT DOES NOT GO TO THE AIRPORT.
IT DOESN'T EVEN GO PAST, UM, MCDOWELL, BUT WE'RE HOPING THIS IS JUST A PRELIMINARY THAT WILL EVENTUALLY GO CITYWIDE.
THIS IS JUST A, UH, A TRIAL TO SEE HOW MUCH IT'S GETTING USED.
YOU DOWNLOAD THE APP, YOU PUT IN WHAT ADDRESSES? SO THE IDEA IS THAT, UM, IF YOU WORK DOWNTOWN, YOU WOULD GO ON THE APP PARK OR HAVE THE, UM, YOU COULD PARK AT THE FAIRGROUNDS AND THEN FREE UP PARKING DOWNTOWN WHILE YOU'RE AT WORK.
SO LIKE AN AMY'S EMPLOYEE WHO'S GONNA BE THERE FOR EIGHT HOURS OR A CITY EMPLOYEE, THEY COULD TAKE IT TO WORK.
AND THEN YOU JUST HAVE, YOU CALL IT JUST LIKE AN UBER THROUGH THE APP AND IT COMES BACK AND PICKS YOU UP AND TAKES YOU BACK TO WHERE YOUR, YOUR DESTINATION IS.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE THESE BIKE SHARE.
IT'S, UH, REDWOOD BIKES, AND THERE'S, UM, QUITE
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A FEW LOCATIONS.UM, THE SMART, UM, STATION ON WASHINGTON STREET HAS A MAJORITY OF BIKES.
THERE'S SOME AT THE LIBRARY OR THE MUSEUM.
THERE'S SOME AT THE AQUAS CAFE, THERE'S SOME AT LUC CASEY.
ANYWAY, YOU GO ON THEIR APP AGAIN, IT IS THE REDWOOD SHARE.
AND YOU FIND IT'LL SHOW PETALUMA AND IT SHOWS HOW MANY OF THE FIVE BIKES AND WHAT THE PERCENTAGE OF THE BATTERY IS.
THEY'RE NOT FOR THE WIMPS,
THESE ARE ELECTRIC BIKES, AND THEY'RE NOT LIKE YOUR STANDARD LITTLE BIKES.
SO THEY'RE REALLY NICE, UH, FOR PEOPLE COMING IN ON THE, THE, UM, SMART AND THEY COULD GET OFF.
AND IF THEY WANNA GO TO SEE, YOU KNOW, THE MUSEUM, THEY CAN RIDE THE BIKE DOWN TO THE MUSEUM, PARK IT, AND COME BACK.
IT'S, UM, I HAVE LIKE TWO AND A HALF HOURS OF FREE RIDING 'CAUSE IT'S GONNA TAKE ME THAT MUCH TO LEARN IT.
AND IT, AND YOU COULD PROBABLY RIDE IT OUT TO THE AIRPORT, BUT YOU CAN'T LEAVE THEM THERE.
YOU'D HAVE TO COME BACK AND PARK IT.
BUT, UM, I'M ALWAYS, UM, CHEERLEADING FOR THE AIRPORT TO HAVE BIKE RACKS AND THE LUMA GO AND THE BUS TRANSPORTATION AND THESE THINGS FOR OUR PILOTS AND FOR OUR, OUR, UH, CUSTOMERS AT THE TWO NINE DINER OR THE, THE, THE SCHOOLS OUT THERE.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE CITY'S BEEN UP TO.
AND THE ELECTION, WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE FINAL RESULTS YET, BUT WE'LL HAVE A NEW COUNCIL IN JANUARY.
I HAVE, I HAVE, I HAVE A COMMENT.
I JUST WANTED TO ADD, UM, ON THE LUMA GO APP.
UM, IF YOU GO ON THE APP, YOU CAN ACTUALLY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF WHERE WOULD YOU LIKE LUMA TO GO.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO REQUEST THAT IF THE, IF THE AIRPORT COMMISSIONERS WOULD LIKE IT TO GO TO THE AIRPORT, THAT THEY GO ON THE APP.
AND PUT THAT IN AS A RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS, FOR EXPANDING.
'CAUSE THEY'RE TAKING THOSE, UM, INTO CONSIDERATION NOW.
AND ALSO THE, THE ENGAGE PETALUMA IS ANOTHER APP.
I'M, I'M OLD SCHOOL, SO I HAD TO LEARN ALL THESE APPS.
BUT IF YOU SEE SOMETHING THAT NEEDS, UM, A LIGHT THAT HAS BURNT OUT AND IT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED, OR A POTHOLE OR A STREET SIGN THAT'S BEING BLOCKED BY FOLIAGE, YOU CAN JUST GO ON THE APP.
YOU CAN EITHER TAKE A PICTURE OR YOU CAN PUT IN THE, OR IF THERE'S A PROBLEM AT THE AIRPORT AND THEY'LL GET ON IT 24 7, THERE'S SOMEBODY LOOKING AT ALL THE, THE, UM, THE REPORTS VIA THE APP.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER APP THAT YOU CAN DO THAT THE CITY HAS.
IS THERE A WAY TO GET THE WORD OUT TO PEOPLE THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY BE FLYING INTO THE AIRPORT? I MEAN, IT, THAT'S ALWAYS THE ISSUE WHEN FLYING IN SOMEWHERE, RIGHT? IS GETTING FROM THE AIRPORT AND TO TOWN.
WELL, THEY DON'T GO THAT FAR YET.
SO IS IT, WELL, IF, IF WE WERE TO GET IT OUT, OUT TO THE AIRPORT, UM, WE WOULD'VE TO DO IT THROUGH THE LUMA GO APP.
NANCY SAYS THAT WE CAN GO ON THERE AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
IF, IF WE MAKE THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND ONCE THEY DO EXPAND OUT TO THE AIRPORT, I THINK IT'S AS SIMPLE AS PUTTING A POSTER IN THE WINDOW ON THE DOOR AT THE AIRPORT.
SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD NEWSLETTER, UH, ITEM.
BUT DO THE, DO THE AIR THE PILOTS LOOK AT THAT OR JUST WE COULD HAVE A SIGN UP OR TELL THEM IN THE OFFICE TRANSIENT THE BATHROOM DOOR TRANSIENT PILOTS WOULD MAYBE ON THE FENCE.
UM, WOULD SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHERE THEY, WE'D HAVE TO SEE IT ON THEIR WAY OUT.
TRY TO CAPTURE THEIR ATTENTION.
AND THEN, UM, I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS ABOUT OTHER ALTERNATIVES, BUT THAT WOULD BE ONE THAT WOULD BE OKAY.
MUCH CHEAPER, UH, LESS EXPENSIVE THAN SOME OF THE OTHER, UH, RIDESHARE APPS.
WELL, WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR IT FOR, ESPECIALLY THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE STAYING AT THE LOCAL HOTELS.
BECAUSE IF THEY WANNA MAKE A RESERVATION DOWNTOWN, AND WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE DRINKING AND DRIVING THAT, THEY TAKE THIS LUMA, GO TAKE IT FROM THE HOTEL AND TAKE IT DOWN TO A RESTAURANT AND THEN GET BACK TO THE HOTEL SAFELY.
AND FREE OF PARKING DOWNTOWN SO THAT EMPLOYEES AREN'T TAKING UP ALL THE PARKING.
AND WE, WE'VE HAD GREAT, UM, THE PEOPLE I KNOW THAT HAVE RIDDEN IT, A LOT OF CITY EMPLOYEES, THEY, THEY TAKE IT TO WORK THAT WORK AT CITY HALL.
SO I KNOW IT'S WORKING AND SOME OF THE STUDENTS ARE EXCITED TO TAKE IT TO SCHOOL WITH THEIR PARENTS.
UH, AD HOC SUB UH, SUBCOMMITTEE UPDATES.
UM, EXCUSE ME, I GOT A LITTLE COLD GOING ON HERE.
UM, UH, BARRY AND I, FOR THE LAST, UM, TWO YEARS, I GUESS,
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UM, HAVE BEEN WORKING TO, UH, MEET UP WITH ALL OF THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND DIRECTORS, INCLUDING CITY MANAGER, THE MAYOR, AND, UM, A COUPLE OF NEW CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.UM, BASICALLY TO GIVE THEM A LITTLE UPDATE ON THE AIRPORT.
WHAT WE FOUND A FEW YEARS AGO, WELL, A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO NOW, GIVING OUR
SO WE STARTED THIS, UH, TO HELP ALLEVIATE THAT AND TO BASICALLY ENSURE THAT EVERYONE IN A DECISION MAKING POSITION AND WITHIN THE CITY WAS AWARE OF, UM, WHY THE AIRPORT IS OPERATED AND RUN AND MANAGE THE WAY IT IS, AND THE OVERRIDING RULES, UM, AND CONSTRAINTS THAT WE HAVE IN THAT REGARD DICTATED BY THE FAA.
AND, UM, SO WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT.
BARRY, UM, I'LL CALL HIM UP IN JUST A SECOND, BUT HE, UH, COORDINATED, UM, MEETINGS WITH ALL OF THE FOLKS THAT WE NEEDED TO TOUCH BASE WITH.
AND, UM, INTERESTINGLY, INITIALLY, UM, WE SEEMED TO HAVE SOME RESISTANCE OF FOLKS WANTING TO SIT DOWN WITH US.
AND THEY HAD A MISUNDERSTANDING OF WHY WE WANTED TO MEET WITH THEM.
THEY THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA COME AND MEET WITH THEM AND DEMAND SOMETHING OF THEM, WHEN IN FACT, IT WAS JUST THE OPPOSITE.
WE WANTED TO JUST PROVIDE INFORMATION SO THAT THEY UNDERSTOOD HOW THE AIRPORT WORKS.
AND SO WHEN WE COME TO THEM WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR A DECISION OR A PROJECT OR SOMETHING, THEY KNOW WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM AND THAT WE CAN INTEGRATE THAT TOGETHER.
SO WHEN WE HAD THOSE MEETINGS, WE NOT ONLY SHARED INFORMATION ON THE HISTORY OF THE AIRPORT, HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE, WHY WE'RE WHERE WE ARE TODAY, AND WHAT THE PLANS ARE FOR THE FUTURE, AND BASICALLY HOW THE AIRPORTS RUN.
UM, WE ALSO ASKED THEM FOR THEIR INPUT, WHAT WERE THEIR THOUGHTS AND LIKE THAT.
AND IT WAS OVERWHELMINGLY POSITIVE.
AND THERE WERE THREE DOCUMENTS.
I I CAN'T GET INTO SPECIFICS ON THESE, BUT ON EACH, EACH OF THESE, WE SHARED WITH EACH OF THESE INDIVIDUALS.
THE FIRST ONE WAS A COPY OF, UH, AN ECONOMIC IMPACT ESTIMATE THAT I'VE DONE OVER THE YEARS.
THE LAST ONE I DID THIS ONE WAS IN, UH, WAS LAST YEAR IN 2023.
THE RESTAURANT WAS STILL CLOSED AT THE TIME, SO IT'S A LITTLE OUTDATED.
UH, THE OTHER ONE WAS, UH, A DOCUMENT WE PREPARED FOR FOLKS SUCH AS YOURSELF, KAREN, UH, A LIAISON FROM THE CITY COUNCIL ON THE COMMISSION TO UNDERSTAND THE BASICS OF WHAT IT IS THAT THE FAA REQUIRES PETALUMA TO DO, TO MANAGE APPROPRIATELY THE AIRPORT.
BECAUSE IT WAS INTERESTING, WE FOUND THAT IN SOME CASES, THOSE FOLKS THOUGHT THE CITY OWNED THE AIRPORT.
THE CITY IS REQUIRED TO OPERATE IT WITHIN A CONSTRAINT OF RULES.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT THAT SECOND DOCUMENT COVERS.
AND THE THIRD ONE WAS A COPY RIGHT OUT OF THE GRANT ASSURANCES ON, UM, THE USES OF AIRPORT REVENUES.
'CAUSE IN THE PAST WE'VE HAD SOME ISSUES, UM, WITH A MISUNDERSTANDING OF WHAT AIRPORT REVENUE CAN BE USED FOR, UM, FOR PROJECTS OR FOR DEVELOPMENT THAT WE HAVE IN MIND.
AND, UM, UH, IMPACT FEES AND ONE THING IN ANOTHER.
SO WE PROVIDED THAT TO EACH OF THE FOLKS AND UNIFORMLY THEY WERE VERY SUPPORTIVE AND, UM, POSITIVE WITH OUR, UM, DESIRE TO REACH OUT TO THEM AND FOR US TO ASK FOR THEIR INPUT.
AND I THINK WE KEEP THAT GOING AND, UH, IT'LL JUST PAY BENEFITS IN THE FUTURE.
UM, BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THAT EVERYONE'S ON THE SAME PAGE HERE.
AND WE DIDN'T FIND IT, BARRY AND I DIDN'T FIND ANY MIS MISCONNECTIONS OR MISUNDERSTANDINGS.
SO GIVE A LITTLE MINOR CLARIFICATIONS, BUT NOTHING BIG.
NOT LIKE WE'VE HAD 15, 20 YEARS AGO IN SOME CASES.
SO IT'S ALL BEEN VERY POSITIVE AND, UH, IT'S A LOT OF WORK.
AND I WANNA THANK BARRY FOR HIS LONG-TERM TENURE ON THE AIRPORT COMMISSION SINCE I THINK YOU WERE, WHAT, FOUR YEARS OLD OR SOMETHING.
SO ANYWAY, BARRY, WOULD YOU COME UP AND FILL IN SOME OF THE BLANKS THERE FOR ME? HAPPY.
WELL, WHAT I WANT TO DO IS JUST GIVE YOU A VERY QUICK REPORT OF WHO WE TALKED TO AND KIND OF WHAT THE DISCUSSION ENDED UP, UH, BEING WITH THE VARIOUS INDIVIDUALS.
BUT I ALSO WANTED TO READ TO YOU WHAT I, I HAVE A LETTER,
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A COPY OF A LETTER THAT I SENT OUT TO EVERY PERSON, UH, EVERY, EVERY CITY, UM, UH, LEADER.AND IF THEY ALL RECEIVED EXACTLY THE SAME THING, I JUST WANNA READ THIS ONE SECTION HERE.
'CAUSE TOM WAS, WAS ALLUDING TO IT IN YEARS PAST.
WE HAD DIFFICULTY DEALING WITH SOME PEOPLE LIKE, WHAT ARE YOU, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? OR WHAT DO YOU WANT? WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM US? AND SOME, SOME PEOPLE REFUSED TO MEET WITH US.
AND, UH, WE HAD TO GET, UH, THE CITY MANAGER TO, TO TALK TO THEM AND SAY, HEY, THE, THE SUBCOMMITTEE'S OKAY.
SO HERE'S WHAT I'VE SAID, UM, SAID, OUR MEETING SHOULD TAKE ABOUT 40 MINUTES OR SO.
OUR PURPOSE IS TO SIMPLY GO OVER AIRPORT ISSUES AND PASS ON RELEVANT INFORMATION TO YOU AND HAVE A FUN TIME MEETING UP.
WE WANT TO REVIEW AIRPORT MATTERS WITH YOU.
THIS IS MEANT TO BE AN INFORMATIONAL ONLY AND NO CONTROVERSY OR ANY KIND OF STRIFE TAKES PLACE.
AND THAT SEEMED TO REALLY, REALLY, REALLY HELP.
I HAD, WHEN I SENT OUT RESPONSES A COUPLE YEARS AGO, IT'D TAKE WEEKS AND WEEKS BEFORE I EVEN GOT A RESPONSE, AND I'D HAVE TO FOLLOW IT UP THIS TIME.
THEY WERE WITHIN DAYS, SOMETIMES HOURS, RESPONDING.
AND, AND THEY'D SEND ME ALL KINDS OF MEETING DATES AND TIMES.
SO HERE'S THE PEOPLE WE MET WITH, UH, WE MET WITH COUNCIL MEMBER JOHN REPPS.
UH, YOU KNOW, HE HAS THE NEW DISTRICT THAT IS, THAT THEY AIRPORT IS IN.
AND HE REALLY HAD NO KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE AIRPORT AT ALL.
HE WAS VERY CURIOUS ABOUT IT, VERY INTERESTED, UH, ASKED A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
AND, UM, I WOULD SAY, TOM, WOULDN'T YOU AGREE HE'S GOING TO BE AN AIRPORT SUPPORTER? MM-HMM.
UH, BRIAN MILLER, THE NEW POLICE CHIEF, UH, ALSO, UH, VERY INTERESTED IN, IN WORKING WITH, UH, THE AIRPORT MANAGEMENT AND IS INTERESTED IN PERHAPS BUILDING A BUILDING OVER THERE WITH, UH, WITH FULL FUNDING AND EVERYTHING.
HE UNDERSTANDS THAT WE HAVE TO CHARGE THEM, UH, REGULAR RATES AND THAT THEY, THEY'RE WILLING TO LOOK FORWARD TO A PRO.
SAME, SAME WITH THE FIRE CHIEF.
UH, WE DIDN'T MEET WITH HIM THIS TIME, BUT JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO, SIX MONTHS AGO OR SO, WE MET WITH THE, THE, THE NEW FIRE CHIEF.
AND HE WAS SAYING THE SAME THING THAT YES, THEY'RE INTERESTED IN, IN PERHAPS BUILDING A BUILDING OUT THERE.
UM, KENDALL ROSE, THE NEW CITY CLERK, UH, WAS EXTREMELY RECEPTIVE, IN FACT, IS SHE BROUGHT HER DOCUMENTS ALONG WITH HER.
I SAID, ONE THING THAT'S IMPORTANT IS THAT WE HAVE, UH, THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THERE'S DOCUMENTS THAT THE PUBLIC ARE REQUIRED TO LOOK AT, AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE THEM.
SHE GOES, OH YEAH, I KNOW I HAVE 'EM RIGHT HERE,
AND SHE SHOWED 'EM TO ME BEFORE IN THE PAST, THAT WASN'T THE CASE.
UH, JESSE G***H, FINANCE DIRECTOR, UH, SHE WAS VERY, VERY WONDERFUL, VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE AIRPORT, VERY APPRECIATIVE AND SUPPORTIVE OF DAN, WHO SHE SAYS, YOU KNOW, FOLLOWS THE BUDGET AND IS A, A GOOD PERSON TO DEAL WITH.
UH, AND THE LAST PERSON WE MET WITH WAS GINA BENEDETTI.
NOW THE NAME BENEDETTI SHOULD RING BELLS WITH YOU BECAUSE CLOVER STORNETTA, CLOVER BRAND, UH, WAS STARTED BY HER FATHER, UH, JUST RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD.
AND, UH, HER BROTHER, I TAUGHT HIM HOW TO FLY.
I WAS HIS GROUND SCHOOL INSTRUCTOR AT, AT SANTA ROSA JUNIOR COLLEGE.
AND, UH, SO THAT'S OUR CONNECTION THERE.
UM, I WANT TO MENTION THAT ALL THESE PEOPLE SAID THAT THEY LIKED DEALING WITH DAN.
THEY SAID THAT HE'S INFORMATIVE, HE'S GOT KNOWLEDGE, HE FOLLOWS UP, HE'S AVAILABLE.
AND THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK
AND THE SAME THING WITH, WITH PEGGY.
UH, PEGGY FLYNN, THE, THE CITY MANAGER, THEY ALL LIKE DEALING WITH HER AND THEY APPRECIATE WHAT SHE'S DONE OF, OF BRINGING ALL THE CITY MANAGERS TOGETHER AND SAY, HEY, WE, WE WORK TOGETHER AND WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING WITH THE CITY OF PETALUMA, NOT THE, IT USED TO BE INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS AND THEY WOULD, YOU KNOW, THIS IS OUR DEPARTMENT.
WE DON'T WANNA HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING ELSE.
SO I WOULD SAY THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST SUCCESSFUL SUBCOMMITTEES.
UH, AND I WOULD RECOMMEND CLOSING IT FOR NOW.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY NEW YET, BUT THERE WILL BE, I'M SURE COMING UP NEW CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, NEW, UH, IN JANUARY, THERE'LL BE A NEW, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER ON THE COMMISSION.
SO I WOULD SUGGEST CLOSING IT FOR NOW AND PERHAPS, UH, OPENING IT EARLY NEXT YEAR.
AGAIN, I'D BE HAPPY TO SERVE ON, UH, ANOTHER TIME IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO DO IT WITH TOM.
ANY QUESTIONS? UH, JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS, GARY.
WELL, WE ALSO MET WITH, UM, UM, UH, MAYOR, UM, MAYOR KEVIN, UM, JUST AFTER HE WAS, UH, ELECTED, I THINK LAST, LAST YEAR.
WE MET WITH HIM AND ALSO THE, UH, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR JUST RECENTLY, LIKE LAST MONTH.
UM, AND, UM, I THINK ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR TOO, DIDN'T WE? I THOUGHT WE DID.
ANYWAY, SO INGRID, WE GOT EVERYBODY COVERED.
SO ANYWAY, YEAH, WE MET WITH THOSE FOLKS THE YEAR BEFORE.
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JUST TO FILL OUT THE AGENDA THERE.UM, ANY QUESTIONS OR ARE WE GOOD TO GO? GOOD.
I, I GUESS I, I DO HAVE ONE JUST NUTS AND BOLTS QUESTION.
THE DOCUMENTS THAT YOU'VE PREPARED MM-HMM.
UM, WE HAVE A COPY OF THOSE SOMEWHERE WHERE WE COULD ACCESS SOME.
I SENT A COPY TO DAN AND I TALKED TO HIM BEFORE THE MEETING, AND WE'LL GET A COPY TO YOU GUYS.
I'M, I'M LESS WORRIED ABOUT US LOOKING OVER YOUR SHOULDER AND MORE WORRIED ABOUT NOT LOSING THEM WHEN WE DO HAVE A NEW BATCH OF PEOPLE AND WE WANT TO ABSOLUTELY REKINDLE THIS.
IF THE TWO OF YOU ARE ABLE TO PULL THEM UP AND KEEP CARRY ON, FANTASTIC.
IF YOU'RE LIKE, I'M DONE WITH THIS, THEN I'D LIKE TO STILL BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT TO BUILD THE ECONOMIC IMPACT REPORT.
I HAVE TO BE UPDATED NOW THAT THE RESTAURANT'S BACK OPEN.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER OPEN AD HOCS DO WE RIGHT NOW? AM I FORGETTING ANYBODY? UH, I BELIEVE THE ONE THAT, UH, MARCUS AND I ARE ON IS STILL OPEN.
I DON'T HAVE ANY UPDATE, UH, BETWEEN MARCUS AND I, OTHER THAN, UM, DAN'S BEEN DOING A GREAT JOB OF CLEANING OUT SOME OF THE HANGERS THAT HAVE HAD ISSUES.
WE HAVE SOME NEW TENANTS THAT ARE COMING IN GETTING AIRPLANES AND HANGERS, WHICH IS GREAT.
UM, THERE'S STILL A COUPLE TO GO, UM, BUT I BELIEVE WORK IS BEING DONE TO, UM, TAKE CARE OF THOSE ISSUES.
SO MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS, SO THINGS ARE GOING THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
UH, ANY GENERAL COMMISSIONER COMMENT AT THAT POINT IN THE AGENDA? ALL RIGHT.
UH, WE DID POST THE, UM, AIRPORT TENANT SURVEY.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS WANTED TO SPEAK TO THAT.
OH, IS THAT, IS THAT NOT CONSIDERED PART OF YOUR REPORT? IT REALLY NOT PART OF MY REPORT.
IT WAS REQUESTED BY, UM, UH, COMMISSIONERS HAVE MCGON, UH, SASSER.
AND SO THEY, THEY PUT IT TOGETHER AND, UH, WE PUT IT OUT USING THE, UM, UH, OUR SURVEY SYSTEM.
BUT THAT WAS, UH, THAT WAS AN EFFORT.
UM, SO I DON'T DUNNO IF YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THAT AND SOME OF THE RESULTS, OR, OR WE CAN ALWAYS TABLE THAT FOR ANOTHER TIME.
BUT WE DID POST THAT TO THE AGENDA AS A, UH, ATTACHMENT IN CASE YOU WANTED TO SPEAK TO ANY OF THOSE.
UM, YEAH, I THINK IT'S IN YOUR, IT'S IN YOUR PACKET HERE.
UM, THE, UH, THE RESPONSE RATE WAS 20%, MAYBE ISH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WE WOULD'VE LIKED A LITTLE MORE.
UM, BUT THAT'S NOT UNTYPICAL FOR A SURVEY AN AN UNSOLICITED SURVEY ONLINE.
AND OVERALL, THE RESULTS WERE VERY, WERE VERY GOOD.
AND IT WAS GOOD TO SEE THAT, UH, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF SUPPORT FROM OUR TENANTS AND THAT THE, IN THEIR VIEW, THE AIRPORTS BEING WELL RUN, WELL MANAGED AND OPERATED.
AND THAT, UM, WHILE THE PRICE OF, UH, FUEL AND HANGAR RENTS ARE KIND OF HIGH, UM, IT DIDN'T SEEM TO BE SEEN AS BEING EXORBITANT.
SO, UM, I THINK, UM, ALL IN ALL, UH, FROM THAT, I WOULD TAKE THAT WE'RE DOING A PRETTY GOOD JOB AND KEEP IT UP AND, UH, KEEP OUR NOSE TO THE GRINDSTONE.
NANCY, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? YEAH, I THOUGHT THE, UM, THE RESPONSE WAS, WAS ACTUALLY A LITTLE BETTER THAN THAT.
I THINK IT WAS 38 RESPONDENTS.
THERE WERE LOTS OF COMMENTS, UM, THAT GAVE US, AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY WE MET WITH DAN TO TALK ABOUT SOME OBJECTIVES GOING FORWARD, YOU KNOW, THAT WE COULD, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE POINT OF THE SURVEY WAS TO IDENTIFY SOME AREAS THAT WE COULD WORK ON GOING FORWARD TO GET DIRECTION FROM TENANTS AND PEOPLE WHO USE THE AIRPORT.
SO I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL AND I REALLY WANNA THANK CLAUDIA FOR ALL THE WORK.
THE, THE FINAL PRESENTATION IS REALLY BEAUTIFUL AND REALLY TELLS A GOOD STORY.
UH, THE ONLY COMMENT I HAVE IS, UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THIS WAS SENT OUT TO AIRPORT TENANTS.
BUT MAYBE IN THE FUTURE WE COULD TRY TO, YOU KNOW, GET A, A LITTLE BIT, TRY TO GET MORE DIVERSE, UH, RESPONSES FROM TRANSIENT PILOTS.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT SAYS HERE THAT, YOU KNOW, 97% DON'T RENT AN AIRCRAFT AT THE AIRPORT.
UH, AS MARK ASHTON SAID EARLIER, THERE'S YOU KNOW ABOUT 60 SOME ODD, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THERE ARE GETTING THEIR LICENSES IN VARIOUS STAGES.
SO, YOU KNOW, HEARING FROM SOME OF THEM AS WELL AS, UH, TRANSIENT USERS IF POSSIBLE WOULD, UH, PROBABLY BE HELPFUL AS WELL.
IT'D BE KIND OF COOL TO HAVE A QR CODE ON THE DOOR THAT YOU COULD SCAN TO TAKE SOME SURVEY QUESTIONS.
I THINK HAVING THE RESULTS WAS, WAS REALLY INTERESTING.
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A LOT OF THE COMMENTS, UM, OR OUR COMMENTS THAT I'VE HEARD FROM SOME OF THE HANGAR TENANTS ABOUT THE COST OF THE HANGERS, DO WE HAVE A COMPARABLE, LIKE WHAT IT COSTS IN OTHER CITIES AND OTHER MUNICIPAL AIRPORTS, AND SO WE CAN SHOW THEM THAT WE'RE, WE'RE WITHIN THE MEDIUM.I'M SURE THERE'S HIGHER AND LOWER IN OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT, THAT PLUMA IS IN THE MEDIUM.
'CAUSE I THINK WE DIDN'T, WE DO A RATE SURVEY A WHILE BACK ON THE HANGERS IN THE AREA.
UM, THE CURRENT RATES ARE NOT BASED ON THAT, THAT RATE, UM, STUDY.
UH, BUT, UM, SOME OF THE OTHER FEES WERE, WHAT HAPPENED WAS, UM, ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHANGES IS WE WENT FROM THAT, IF YOU RECALL, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, EVERYBODY WAS BEING CHARGED BY THE SQUARE FOOT.
UM, AND WE WERE CHANGING RATES BY THE ACTUAL SQUARE FOOT, NOT THE WHOLE SIZE, WHICH CAUSED A BUNCH OF, UM, VERY ODD, UH, RATE CHANGES EVERY YEAR BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE, PEOPLE ARE GOING UP FOUR, ALMOST 5%.
SOME PEOPLE ARE ONLY GOING UP 2%.
SO TO FIX THAT FINANCE JUST FROZE ALL OF THE RATES AS WHOLE RATES.
SO INSTEAD OF CALCULATING IT BY THOSE CHANGING, THEY JUST FROZE THEM.
AND THEN MOVING ON, THE RATES WILL GO UP BY THE WHOLE HANGAR, RENT AMOUNT OR THE WHOLE, UM, A TIE DOWN AMOUNT, NOT, NOT THAT, THAT RATE.
MOVING FORWARD, I'M SURE WE WILL LOOK AT MM-HMM.
I DON'T, UM, WE ARE WITHIN A RANGE.
UM, HISTORICALLY WE'VE BEEN A LITTLE BIT HIGHER ON THAT RANGE LOCALLY, UH, BUT, UH, WE'RE PRETTY COMPARABLE AT THIS POINT WITH, UM, SONOMA COUNTY AIRPORT.
UM, OBVIOUSLY OUR HANGERS ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
SOME OF THEIRS ARE OLDER, SOME OF OURS ARE NEWER, UM, AND SOME OF OURS ARE OLDER.
SO IT'S, IT'S HARD TO FIND COMPARABLES ALWAYS.
BUT, UH, SONOMA COUNTY IS ONE OF THE CLOSEST ONES.
AND THERE ARE SOME OTHER AREAS THERE ARE ACTUALLY LOWER THAN OUR PRICE POINT, UM, WHICH WE'VE BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS FOR YEARS ABOUT.
WHY IS THAT IT DOES THAT BECAUSE WE'RE OUTSIDE OF THE, UM, THE MARKET RATE AND, YOU KNOW, SO THE, THE CONVERSATION WILL CONTINUE, BUT AT THIS TIME, UM, I I BELIEVE OUR RATES ARE PRETTY COMPARABLE, AT LEAST WITHIN THE, WITHIN ABOUT 50 MILES OR SO.
IS IT TRUE THAT THE LARGER HANGERS FOR THE LARGER AIRCRAFT JETS ARE LESS EXPENSIVE THAN THE, THE NEWER HANGERS THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE? SO THE, UM, THE, THE RATES ARE BASED ON THE VINTAGE OF THE HANGERS AND ESSENTIALLY THERE ARE, UM, DIFFERENT RATES FOR DIFFERENT SIZES.
UM, THE BOX HANGER MORE, UH, WHAT THEY CALL EXECUTIVE HANGER OR SOMETHING YOU PUT LIKE MAYBE A SMALL BUSINESS AIRCRAFT IN.
UM, THOSE, THOSE ARE PRETTY MUCH IN TWO DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.
IS IT THE 1990S ERA BOX HANGER EXECUTIVE HANGER, OR IS IT THE, THE 2004? THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE TWO DIFFERENT RATES FOR THOSE.
AS FAR AS REGULAR T HANGER'S KIND OF THE SAME.
YOU REALLY HAVE TWO DIFFERENT RATES.
UM, YOU HAVE THAT 19, THE MID NINETIES, UM, VINTAGE HANGER RATE, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE 2004 AND THEY ARE DIFFERENT AND THEY'RE SIGNIFICANT.
JUST BE EXAMPLE, A A UM, OLDER TEE HANGER IS ALMOST A HUNDRED DOLLARS LESS PER MONTH THAN A NEWER ONE.
NOW, A LOT OF FOLKS WILL OPT FOR THE, FOR THE OLDER ONES, AND A LOT OF FOLKS IN THE NEWER ONES DON'T CARE THAT THE, THE RATE IS HIGHER.
SO WE DO GIVE PEOPLE AN OPTION, EVEN IF THE NEWER HANGER IS THE ONLY ONE AVAILABLE, WE, WE LET THEM HAVE, WE CALL THE UPGRADE DOWNGRADE LIST FOR ANY CURRENT TENANTS.
IF ANOTHER HANGER COMES UP THAT'S LESS EXPENSIVE AND THEY'D LIKE IT, THEY ARE WELCOME TO IT.
AND THEY GET FIRST DIBS OF ON THAT, UM, BEFORE A NON TENANT WOULD GET A HANGER.
SO THAT ALLOWS THE TENANTS, THEY'RE THERE TO GET EXACT WHAT THEY NEED AT THE RIGHT RATE THAT THAT MEETS THEIR BUDGET.
IS IT TRUE THAT THEY, THIS ONE COMMENT IS THAT THERE'S NO LIGHTING
SO ALL THE LIGHTS TO OUR KNOWLEDGE WORK, WHEN WE DO OUR HANGAR INSPECTIONS, THEY ALL WORK.
HOWEVER, UM, SOME OF THE, UM, THE NINETIES, MID NINETIES ERA HANGERS, UH, WERE BUILT WITH CENT LIGHTS, UH, EIGHT FOOTERS, A COUPLE EIGHT FOOTERS IN
AND IT'S, IT'S SO TO SAY THERE'S NO LIGHT.
WELL, I MEAN, THERE, THERE, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF LIGHT.
AND SO PEOPLE BRING SUPPLEMENTAL LIGHT.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
UM, IN FACT, WE REPLACED ONE HANGER.
WE REPLACED ALL THE LIGHTING WITH LED WATCHING.
YEAH, IT'S A BIG, WE'RE NOT SURE IF THAT'S SUSTAINABLE FOR US TO JUST KEEP GOING THROUGH.
AND AS HANGERS TURN, WE JUST GO AHEAD AND CHANGE OUT THE LIGHTS WITH OUR OWN STAFF, OR DO WE NEED TO PACKAGE THIS UP INTO A BEAR PROJECT? IT'S, YOU KNOW, TO BE DETERMINED, BUT LITTLE BY LITTLE, WE ARE BRINGING THE LIGHTING UP TO, TO MODERN STANDARDS, WHICH MUCH BETTER LUMEN COUNTS, UM, AND MUCH BETTER LIGHT OVERALL.
I KNOW MY OWN PERSONAL, I CHANGED THE, THE, I HAD LIGHT BULBS
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THAT HAD BURNT OUT ON MY STRING OF LIGHTS IN THE BACKYARD AND PUT IT LEDS.I THINK YOU COULD SEE ME FROM MARS.
IT IS SO BRIGHT, SO
IS THAT TRUE? SO IF YOU REPLACE THOSE FLUORESCENCE, THEY HAVE TO BE REPLACED WITH LEDS.
UM, AND THEY AREN'T REALLY SERVICEABLE.
SO, AND THAT'S THE DOWNSIDE WHERE WE COULD CHANGE OUT BULBS BEFORE.
WE CAN'T REALLY DO THAT ANYMORE.
SO THE WHOLE FIXTURE HAS TO BE CHANGED OUT.
IF IT BURNS OUT, THE WHOLE LED FIXTURE HAS TO BE AS IT HAPPENS IN THE SCHOOLS AND THE CITIES AND STUFF.
UH, I HAD ACTUALLY ONE QUESTION HERE.
SO THERE'S ONE RESPONSE, UH, ABOUT RADIO RECEPTION ON THE GROUND OAKLAND CENTER.
THEY WERE REQUESTING RADIO RECEPTION, THE OAKLAND CENTER ON THE GROUND.
I KNOW THAT THERE'S NO DIRECT RECEPTION OR VERY LITTLE, MAYBE IN THE FUTURE WE COULD LOOK AT GETTING A REPEATER FOR THAT FREQUENCY, BUT WE DO HAVE THE GCO.
UM, IS THERE A BETTER WAY TO ADVERTISE THAT FREQUENCY? 'CAUSE I, I DON'T THINK IT'S IN THE A FD TO MY KNOWLEDGE.
AND I DON'T THINK IT'S REALLY, I KNOW THERE WAS A SIGN IN THE BATHROOM AT ONE POINT, BUT ASIDE FROM THAT, IT'S, IT'S ALMOST LIKE TRIBAL KNOWLEDGE IF YOU KNOW IT'S THERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S THERE, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY ADVERTISED VERY WELL.
I MAYBE I LEAN ON THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE COMMISSION AND ANY OTHER, UM, SOURCES, BUT IT, OUR G C'S LISTED ON OFFICIAL FA DOCS ANYWHERE, IS THAT, IS THAT COMMON PRACTICE TO LIST IT ALONG WITH, WITH THE A OS AND OTHER, OTHER FREQUENCIES? YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD ANSWER THAT.
I'D BE HAPPY TO GET THAT PUBLISHED.
I, I, I THOUGHT WE ADDED THAT ONTO THE NEW YELLOW SIGNS AT THE YEAH, WE DO RUNUP AREA, THE, THE GCO FREQUENCIES ON THERE.
UH, IT SAYS GROUND LINK TO A TC.
SO THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE, THAT SEEMS TO SOLVE THE ISSUE.
SO, UM, THAT SEEMS TO SOLVE THE ISSUE WITH, UH, GETTING OPEN CENTER ON THE GROUND.
I, I USED IT A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.
SO ALONG WITH THAT, IF ANYONE HAS INFORMATION ON NEWER PRODUCTS, I'VE BEEN SEARCHING FOR ANYTHING, NOT ONLY A MR UPDATED GCO THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE THE ANALOG PROGRAMMING THAT MM-HMM.
WE CAN'T GO IN THERE AND CHANGE ANYTHING.
WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE VENDOR.
UM, DEFINITELY OPEN TO NEW SYSTEMS THAT WOULD REPLACE THAT AND, OR A, A REPEATER SYSTEM.
I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH ANY, UH, RAIL AVAILABLE PRODUCTS TO DO THAT OTHER THAN ONES THAT FAA INSTALL.
WELL, THAT'S VERY, UM, VERY GOOD INFORMATION TO HAVE.
APPRECIATE YOU GUYS PUTTING THAT TOGETHER.
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ARE WE READY TO MOVE INTO YOUR REPORT PROPER, DAN? SOUNDS GOOD.WELL, WITH ALL THOSE KUDOS ABOUT BUDGET, UM, UH, PLEASE IGNORE THE FISCAL YEAR 24 REVENUE AND EXPENDITURES, UM, IN THE RUSH TO GET THIS GIANT PACKET TOGETHER.
UH, I GOT SOME OF THESE NUMBERS WRONG.
I WILL GET A BETTER REPORT, UH, NEXT MONTH.
UM, IN ADDITION, I'D LIKE TO GET, WE DO OUR FIVE YEAR, UM, BUDGET KIND OF PROJECTION, UM, EVERY YEAR AT SOME POINT.
I'D LIKE TO GET THAT TO YOU, UM, HOPEFULLY BY NEXT MEETING.
UM, KINDA SHOWING WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW, WHERE OUR, UH, ENTERPRISE FUND IS PLANNED EXPENDITURES TO THE BEST OF OUR GUESTS, UH, FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
AND, UM, SO ALONG WITH A, A FULL REPORT OF FISCAL YEAR 24, WE'LL, WE'LL GET THAT TO YOU.
ONE CHALLENGE WE HAVE WITH, UM, END OF YEAR REPORTS IS THE WAY THE SYSTEM WORKS, IT, IT TENDS TO PUT DEPRECIATION IN THERE IF YOU EXPORT, UM, TILL THE, PRETTY MUCH THE END OF FISCAL YEAR, UM, THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR.
SO WE HAD DEPRECIATION SHOWING ON ONE OF THE REPORTS THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THIS PACKET.
SO WE HAVE TO KIND OF REMOVE THAT AND PUT IN ALL THE OTHER EXPENSES TO MAKE SURE IT'S ALL SHOWN THERE.
SO WE'RE GONNA DO KINDA A HYBRID FOR YOU AND THE BEST WE CAN.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THESE REPORTS ARE NOT REALLY MEANT FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO OUR BEST TO SHOW, SHOW YOU WHAT WE SPENT LAST YEAR AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE BROUGHT IN, WHAT WE SPENT, AND KIND OF GIVE YOU A BEST IDEA, UM, JUST TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, SUMMARIZE THAT HIGH LEVEL.
IF YOU SEE, UM, UH, WE, WE STARTED THIS FISCAL YEAR IN JULY 1ST WITH, UH, 1.63 MILLION, UM, WHICH I THINK IS REALLY IMPRESSIVE.
YOU KNOW, WE, I THINK WE STARTED ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO.
I THINK THE BUDGET WAS HOVERING RIGHT AROUND 1.7.
UM, AND AT ONE POINT IT HIT 1.8.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO CARRY A BIG, UH, RESERVE, UH, BECAUSE THAT MEANS THAT WE'RE NOT USING THE MONEY.
UM, BUT I THINK WE HAVE, WE'VE REALLY USED IT TO DRAW, UH, ESPECIALLY FOR SOME OF THE RAMP PROJECTS.
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IT.WE WERE REIMBURSED FOR SOME OF IT, WE REIMBURSED THE FUND WITH, UM, REVENUES FROM OTHER AREAS.
UM, THERE WAS SOME VERY, UM, GENEROUS TAX, UH, REVENUE THAT THE AIRPORT GOT THAT HELPED WITH SOME OF THAT TOO.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, I, I REALLY THINK THAT WE SHOULD, UH, ACKNOWLEDGE THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF, YOU KNOW, THE AIRPORT, THE AIRPORT COMMISSION, ALL OF THE STAFF TO WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
AND STILL, WE STILL HAVE RESERVE TO DO SOME OF THESE PROJECTS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO ANYWAY, UM, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE STANDING RIGHT NOW, FISCAL YEAR'S PRETTY EARLY, UM, IN THE, IN THE FISCAL OF 25.
WE JUST REPORTING THROUGH SEPTEMBER.
UM, WE'RE LOOKING, WE'RE LOOKING GOOD.
UM, OBVIOUSLY WE'LL HAVE THAT BIG PAYMENT FOR THE, UM, THE HANGAR LOAN COMING UP, UM, AT THE END OF THIS MONTH, WHICH WILL GET REPORTED ON IN A COUPLE MONTHS.
UM, DO YOU RECALL WHEN WE WILL HAVE THE, UH, LOANS PAID OFF? I BELIEVE IT IS FALL OF 25.
I BELIEVE THAT IS THE OUR, THAT IT'S THE TARGET PAYOFF.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT BUDGET? I KNOW IT'S KIND OF BRIEF ON THAT BEFORE WE GET INTO SOME OF THE OTHER ITEMS. OKAY.
AND I JUST THINK IT'S WORTH ACTUALLY JUST KIND OF EMPHASIZING THE BUDGET PHILOSOPHY HERE IN LIGHT OF SOME OF THE SURVEY COMMENTS IS THIS ISN'T A FOR-PROFIT OPERATION.
THIS IS, WE'RE TRYING TO MANAGE THIS FOR THE PUB MAXIMUM PUBLIC BENEFIT AND IN COMPLIANCE WITH FAA MANDATES.
SO I JUST THINK THAT'S MAYBE WORTH HIGHLIGHTING.
I KNOW IT'S A LOT OF HAS HAPPENED
UM, AND, UM, THE AIRPORT HAS TAKEN POSSESSION OF IT, UH, NOT AS FAR AS OWNERSHIP, BUT JUST AS SORT OF MANAGING IT.
AND SO WE KEEP IT AT THE AIRPORT, WE KEEP IT CHARGED.
IT'S ALREADY, UM, UH, PROVEN USEFUL, UH, TO SOME, SOME OUTAGES THAT WE'VE HAD.
AND THEN WE, WE, UM, BASICALLY SEND IT TO ANY DEPARTMENT, ANYONE THAT NEEDS IT CITYWIDE.
UM, THERE IS A, A TENTATIVE PLAN TO TRY TO USE IT FOR LUMA ICE, UH, AN UPCOMING, I DUNNO IF, UM, THAT'S BEEN BROADCAST OUT, UM, WHICH WILL BE SERVED BY THE, THE LUMA BUS I THINK AS WELL,
UM, BUT, UH, UH, THAT HAS BEEN A REQUEST TO TRY TO PRO, UH, TO, UM, POWER SOME OF THE DEVICES OUT THERE.
AND SO IT'S, UM, IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN A GREAT LITTLE TOOL.
UM, BEST OF ALL, IT DID NOT COME FROM THE AIRPORT FUND.
UH, IT DIDN'T EVEN, UH, WASN'T EVEN FUNDED BY, UM, THE TAXPAYERS, YOU KNOW, OR EARLY LOCAL TAXPAYERS THAT CAME THROUGH.
UH, I, THEY BELIEVE SOME STATE AND FEDERAL, UM, FUNDING FOR, UH, E UH, ALTERNATIVE, UH, ELECTRIC, ELECTRIC, UH, ELECTRIFICATION, UH, SYSTEM.
SO ANYWAY, THAT'S, WE'RE REALLY HAPPY TO GET THAT.
ALONG WITH THAT, UM, A GENERATOR CAME AVAILABLE THAT WAS NO LONGER BEING USED BY ANOTHER DIVISION, AND SO WE'RE KIND OF, UM, SHEPHERDING THAT IT'S IN THE SHOP RIGHT NOW, UH, VERY, VERY LOW TIME.
I THINK IT'S LESS THAN 40 HOURS AT THIS POINT ON THIS MACHINE.
AND SO WE ARE, UM, MAKING SURE IT'S OPERATIONAL AND WE PLAN TO USE THAT, UM, ONCE AGAIN, CITYWIDE AS NEEDED.
BUT, UM, IT WILL POWER, UH, ALL OF OUR, UM, BASIC SYSTEMS OF THE AIRPORT, UM, INDEFINITELY, UH, USING A RENEWABLE DIESEL, UM, THAT WE NOW ARE A HUNDRED PERCENT RENEWABLE DIESEL ACROSS THE CITY.
AND SO WE'RE REALLY, REALLY EXCITED TO GET THAT.
BUT MOST OF THE TIME WE'LL JUST BE SITTING, WAITING, WAITING, READY TO GO.
UM, AND, UH, DID NOT COST US ANYTHING FROM THE, UH, AIRPORT FUND.
UM, JUST WANTED TO GET A COUPLE ITEMS ON OUR, KIND OF OUR WISHLIST.
UM, YOU KNOW, THESE AREN'T, THESE AREN'T SET IN STONE YET, BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, UH, WITH, WITH AGING EQUIPMENT AND, UH, DIFFERENT NEEDS, UM, WE'RE, WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO REPLACE ONE OF OUR VEHICLES PRETTY SOON HERE.
AND, UM, WE JUST KEEP KINDA LIMPING ON.
I, WE HAVE, UH, 2004 AND 2005 VINTAGE VEHICLES CURRENTLY THAT WE'RE, WE'RE, UM, TWO OF THOSE VEHICLES THAT WE'RE, WE'RE USING.
AND SO WE WOULD LIKE TO GO WITH A, UM, SOME SORT OF ELECTRIC VEHICLE.
WE DO HAVE SOME CHARGING CAPABILITIES AT OTHER FACILITIES, QUICK CHARGE WHERE WE COULD CHARGE THE VEHICLE AND, AND PROBABLY, UM, AN HOUR OR LESS, UM, TO, TO WHATEVER WE NEED, AS LONG AS IT WASN'T TOTALLY, UH, DISCHARGED.
SO EVEN IF WE DON'T HAVE CHARGERS, THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET AT LEAST ONE VEHICLE SINCE WE DON'T USE VERY MUCH POWER, OR IN THIS CASE, UH, UM, EITHER ELECTRICAL POWER OR, OR FUEL.
UM, BECAUSE WE DON'T DRIVE THAT MUCH.
UM, THERE ARE SOME, UH, OPPORTUNITIES TO REPLACE A VEHICLE BEFORE WE ARE PUT IN A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE TO MOVE VERY QUICKLY.
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REPLACE IT SOME OF THESE VEHICLES BEFORE THEY COMPLETELY DIE.SO, UM, ANYWAY, THAT'S, UH, WE'RE KIND OF JUST AN ESTIMATE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 70 TO 90, DEPENDING ON HOW IT'S EQUIPPED, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S AVAILABLE AT THE TIME, INFLATION, ALL THAT.
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA BE PUTTING ON OUR FIVE YEAR, IT WAS ON OUR FIVE YEAR BEFORE.
AND THIS, I THINK, 2025 WAS KIND OF OUR, UM, OUR TARGET LAST TIME WE LOOKED AT THIS.
AND WE'RE GONNA TRY TO REPLACE AT LEAST ONE VEHICLE.
UM, WE HAVE A VERY OLD TRACTOR, THAT TRACTOR MOWER THAT WAS PASSED DOWN FROM THE PARKS DEPARTMENT.
WE HAVE MADE VERY GOOD USE OF IT.
WE'VE REBUILT THE ENGINE AT LEAST ONCE.
UM, AND WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO, TO MAKE THAT WORK.
BUT, UM, WE DEFINITELY NEED TO GO WITH SOMETHING A BIT MORE ROBUST.
UM, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT A SKID STEER VERY SIMILAR TO ONE THAT THE, UM, STREETS, UH, DIVISION RECENTLY PURCHASED.
UM, AND WE'RE EVEN USING IT RIGHT NOW AT THE AIRPORT, UM, UH, USING SEA STAFF TO, TO, TO AUGMENT OUR WEED ABATEMENT.
SO, UM, THAT, THAT WOULD BE A GREAT REPLACEMENT, WE BELIEVE FOR, FOR WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
BUT WE WOULD, WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT PROBABLY AT LEAST A 20 YEAR, UM, SERVICE LIFE FOR THAT MOST LIKELY.
AND THEN, UM, WE DO, WE, WE'VE WE'RE FINGERS CROSSED, UM, KNOCK ON WOOD, UH, RO 18 GATE.
WE'VE HAD A LOT OF ISSUES OVER THE LAST YEAR WITH IT.
UM, THE, THE GATE ITSELF HAS WARPED AND, UM, BECAUSE OF ITS SIZE AND HOW MUCH IT HAS TO KIND OF LEVER OVER, UM, THE OPENING.
AND SO IT'S REALLY, UM, COMING UP ON REPLACEMENT.
SO WE MAY DO A FULL REPLACEMENT ON THAT.
UM, THOSE ARE JUST ROUGH ESTIMATES.
WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET A LITTLE BIT, UH, BETTER PRICE ON THAT.
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL, WE'LL LIKE MOST LIKELY BE PUTTING INTO THE BUDGET FOR, UH, FISCAL YEAR 26 TO TRY TO, UM, TO REPLACE THAT BEFORE IT BECOMES A MAJOR, UH, FAILURE.
AND THEN WE WE'RE DOWN TO TWO GATES ONLY.
UM, SO ROUGHLY WE'RE LOOKING AT SOMEWHERE ABOUT 250,000 IN, IN, UM, PROPOSED EQUIPMENT PURCHASES.
OBVIOUSLY THEY'LL CHANGE AS WE LOOK AT THE BUDGET AND SEE WHERE WE'RE, WHERE WE'RE AT.
BUT, UM, IT PROBABLY, AT LEAST HALF OF THAT WOULD NEED TO, TO START REPLACING SOME OF THIS EQUIPMENT BEFORE IT FAILS ON US PREMATURELY.
UM, ANY COMMENTS ON, QUESTIONS ON OPERATIONS BEFORE I MOVE ON? FOR THE SAKE OF TIME? I WON'T GO DEEP INTO THIS, BUT I JUST WANT TO KIND OF GIVE YOU SOME HIGH LEVEL UPDATES ON PROJECTS.
UM, AS FAR AS THE TAX, WE ALPHA AND TAX, WE BRAVO THESE.
UH, WE WENT AND MET WITH THE, UH, FAA, UH, RECENTLY TO GO OVER OUR 10 YEAR PLAN, UH, FOR OUR PROJECTS.
AND, UM, UNFORTUNATELY THE, THE, UH, THE PROJECT ESTIMATES FOR TAX, WE ALPHA AND TAX, WE BRAVO HAVE REALLY BALLOONED.
MM-HMM,
SO, UH, FOR INSTANCE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TOTAL COST FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, IS ALMOST DOUBLED FOR BOTH.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE WANNA MAXIMIZE THE AMOUNT THAT WE CAN GET DONE WITH, WITH FEDERAL ASSISTANCE.
UM, BUT THAT IS GONNA REALLY LIMIT WHAT WE CAN DO.
PROBABLY ABOUT A HALF OF WHAT WE WERE PLANNING ON DOING WITH ALPHA AND HALF OF THE HALF.
SO BRAVO WAS ONLY GONNA BE ABOUT A THIRD, UH, 'CAUSE IT WAS A FULL RECONSTRUCTION, FULL GRIND OUT.
UM, WE'RE DOWN TO ABOUT HALF OF THAT.
UM, SO, UM, WITH BRAVO, THAT'S MONEY THAT IS, UM, BIL SO IT IS A SORT OF TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT.
UM, A TAX OFFER IS ALL, UM, WITH, WITH A SMALL AMOUNT OF ENTITLEMENTS THAT ROLL OVER.
UH, MOST OF THAT IS DISCRETIONARY.
SO THAT CAN BE DELAYED DEPENDING ON, UM, WHAT WE DECIDE TO DO.
BUT, UM, BRAVO, WE REALLY WANNA CAPTURE THAT, THOSE FUNDS AT LEAST THIS YEAR OR NEXT YEAR BY, BY THE TIME THOSE, THOSE DISAPPEAR.
SO WE'RE GONNA DO THE BEST WE CAN TO MAXIMIZE, UH, THE AMOUNT OF GRANT THAT WE HAVE.
BUT, UM, THE, THE, DEFINITELY THE, UH, THE, THE AMOUNT OF PAVEMENT THAT'S GONNA BE TREATED IS GONNA BE MUCH LESS.
UM, WITH THAT, UM, WE ARE, WE ARE, UM, OPTIMISTIC AS ALWAYS.
SO WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS WE ARE GOING TO, WHEN WE GO TO BID BEFORE WE, WE, UM, PURSUE THE, THE FINAL GRANT APPLICATION WHEN WE WE GO TO, TO BID, UH, WE WILL BID IN TWO PHASES, ESSENTIALLY.
SO, UM, SO ONE WILL BE A BID ALTERNATE, WHICH TYPICALLY BID ARE VERY SMALL.
THESE WILL BE GIANT BID ALTERNATES.
SO IF FOR SOME REASON MORE FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE, UH, DIFFERENT TYPE OF FUNDING IS AVAILABLE, WHICH WE HAD TO HAD TO HAPPEN BEFORE WHERE WE WERE OVER, OVER BUDGET, UM, THE HOPE IS THAT IF, IF MONEY FINDS US, WE WILL BE
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READY.SO IF WE'RE NOT, IF WE CAN'T GET THE FULL AMOUNT, WE'LL DO HALF.
IF WE CAN GET MORE, WE'LL DO MORE.
UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO SORT OF, UM, PREPARE FOR, FOR, FOR THE WORST AND, UM, AND TRY, JUST TRY TO MAXIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF FEDERAL FUNDS WITH THAT CONVERSATION.
JUST TO PASS ON TO YOU, UM, THE, THE A IP FOLKS ARE SAYING THAT, UH, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF MONEY AVAILABLE MOVING FORWARD, UM, AT LEAST BASED ON WHAT WE'VE ALREADY USED AND WHAT WE'RE PLANNING ON USING.
SO A LOT OF THE RAMP PROJECTS THAT WE WERE PLANNING THAT ARE ON OUR 10 YEAR PLAN, UM, WE'VE BEEN GIVEN THE FEEDBACK THAT THOSE ARE PROBABLY NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
SO USE, USE YOUR FUNDS WISELY, PRIORITIZE THE THINGS THAT ARE GONNA BE MAYBE THE MOST DIFFICULT TO DO, UM, AND MOST COSTLY.
AND, UM, AND THE EXPECTATION IS WE'D RELY ON OUR OWN FUNDS FOR SOME OF THE, THE MORE BETWEEN THE, THE HANGERS, UM, AND OTHER, OTHER, UH, SLURRY OR PAVING PROGRAMS WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO COME OUT OF OUR BUDGET.
UM, THE GOOD NEWS IS WE HAVE, UH, AFTER WE PAY OFF THE HANGERS, THERE WILL BE ABOUT HALF A MILLION PER YEAR THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR THAT SORT OF THING.
SO WE'RE GONNA TO GET CREATIVE, YOU KNOW, UM, THE GOOD NEWS IS WE DON'T HAVE TO BUILD TO THE SAME SPEC THAT FA DOES WHEN FA DOES, GIVES US MONEY.
THEY EXPECT A, A CERTAIN SPEC OF PAVEMENT, PAVEMENT IN PRETTY MUCH ALL AREAS.
IF THEY'RE PAYING FOR IT, IT HAS TO MEET THE STANDARD.
THERE ARE AREAS THAT WOULD NOT BE AS STRINGENT THAT WE COULD GO WITH OTHER PRODUCTS THAT WOULD STILL MEET STANDARDS, BUT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY MEET THE FAS UM, STANDARD THEY USE WHEN THEY, THEY FUND THESE.
SO THAT IS, THAT IS A POSSIBILITY AS WELL.
UM, SO ANYWAY, JUST WANTED TO KIND OF, I DON'T WANT TO BRING THE BAD NEWS, BUT THERE, IT'S GONNA GET A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED MOVING FORWARD.
SO I THINK WE'RE IN A GOOD PLACE THAT WE ARE TRYING TO MAXIMIZE OUR OPPORTUNITY.
UM, IF THERE'S FUNDS BEING GIVEN OUT, WE WILL HAVE OUR HANDOUT READY TO GO AND, AND WE'LL BE SHOVEL READY.
UM, BUT, UM, JUST WANNA BE, MAKE THAT, UM, KINDA THAT REALITY MOVING FORWARD THAT, UM, IT IS LIMITED.
ANY OTHER, YEAH, UM, AS ALWAYS, THE, THE HANGAR ROW TWO IS ALWAYS COMES UP.
WE ARE, I BELIEVE DESIGN IS NOW BEYOND 90, UH, AS OF ABOUT FOUR WEEKS AGO WE WERE AT 90%.
UM, I THINK WE SHOULD BE PRETTY CLOSE TO 99 AND GOING OUT TO BID.
UM, WE'LL HAVE TO CHECK IN WITH OUR, OUR FOLKS THAT THE INTENT WAS TO GO OUT TO BID EITHER NOVEMBER, DECEMBER.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE HOPING TO GET THAT BID OUT BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
UM, WE STILL HAVE A, A SOLID SIX, SIX MONTHS OR SO, UH, ROOM TO COMPLETE THAT WORK AND TO, UM, PUT IN A, UH, A CLAIM, UH, FOR, FOR THE, THOSE FUNDS NEEDED TO, UH, REPAIR THAT HANGER UNDER THE INSURANCE CLAIM.
HOW ABOUT THE FEASIBILITY STUDY IS THAT SHOWS THAT FEASIBILITY? SO WE ARE UNDER CONTRACT.
UM, WE'RE ALSO UNDER CONTRACT UNDER THE, UM, A PMS, THE, UM, UH, AIRPORT PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT, UH, UH, STUDY UPDATE.
SO, UH, RIGHT NOW WE BEING HUNT, UH, WE'RE KIND OF PRIORITIZING THE, UH, A PMS 'CAUSE IT'S KIND OF HELPING US ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW WE ARE GOING TO PROGRAM, UH, OUR PROJECTS MOVING FORWARD BASED ON THE, THE PAVEMENT CONDITION.
UM, ONCE WE'VE KIND OF WORKED OUR WAY THROUGH THAT A LITTLE BIT, I THINK SOME OF THOSE SAME FOLKS ARE GONNA BE HELPING US WITH THE FEASIBILITY.
THE REQUEST HAS BEEN PUT OUT THAT WHEN WE DO OUR KICKOFF MEETING, UH, WHICH WILL HOPEFULLY BE EITHER BY THE END OF THE YEAR OR SHORTLY AFTER.
UM, THERE WOULD BE OPPORTUNITY FOR MAYBE ONE OR TWO COMMISSIONERS TO, TO ATTEND THAT.
UM, MOSTLY FOR FEEDBACK, UM, TRYING TO GIVE BACK BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON SOME OF THE NEEDS, SOME OF THE, UM, LOCAL, I GUESS, UM, DEMAND REALITIES, ANY INFORMATION YOU CAN PROVIDE THAT TEAM TO KIND OF HOW HELP ROUND OUT, UH, WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL.
SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THE COMMISSION WANTS TO NOMINATE A COUPLE PEOPLE OR, OR WHOEVER'S INTERESTED IN THAT, BUT, UM, THAT WAS A REQUEST EARLY ON, I BELIEVE.
UM, AND SO WE'D BE HAPPY TO, TO BRING SOMEONE IN ON THAT, THAT FIRST MEETING TO REALLY, YEAH, I'D, I'D WELCOME AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE INVOLVED IN THAT.
I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER, UM, OH, THE HOLD BARS LOOK GREAT, BY THE WAY.
UM,
I'M VERY PROUD OF THEM FOR THAT.
AND, UM, YEAH, UH, WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT IN HOUSE.
SO, UM, THEY LOOK FOR, FOR, UH, A, A NON, UH, UH, PRO UH, UH, SPECIALTY, UH, SKILLED LABOR.
UH, I THINK OUR GUYS DID REALLY GOOD ON THOSE.
SO NEXT TIME YOU'RE OUT THERE, TAKE A LOOK.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR MY REPORT.
ANY ANY QUESTIONS? THAT'S GREAT.
IT'S NICE TO SEE, NICE TO SEE SOME PROGRESS.
UM, IT'S BEEN SIX MONTHS, SO
IT MAKES YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE REALLY GETTING STUFF
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DONE.DAN, ANY, UH, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS OR, OR KAREN ON, ON THE REPORT? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
WELL, I THINK THAT IS THE END OF THE AGENDA AS I'M READING IT.
UM, CLAUDIA OR DANIEL WELCOME TO CORRECT ME, OTHERWISE I WILL TAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.