* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] RECORDING IN PROGRESS. THANK YOU. AND GOOD [CALL TO ORDER] EVENING EVERYONE. WELCOME TO THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE PETALUMA CITY COUNCIL AND THE PETALUMA COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SUCCESSOR AGENCY FOR MONDAY, NOVEMBER 18TH, 2024. IF YOU WISH TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD THERE IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM AND BRING IT TO OUR CITY CLERK HERE IN THE FRONT OF THE ROOM. AND I'LL NOW INVITE, UH, MONICA RICCIO AND MARIA GALVEZ TO PROVIDE INFORMATION TO THOSE WHO WISH TO PARTICIPATE IN SPANISH TO TONIGHT. THANK YOU. AND GOOD EVENING. WE ARE READY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND MAY I ASK THE CLERK TO HAVE US, UH, A ROLL CALL FOR THE EVENING? BARNACLE PRESENT. CATER THOMPSON. HERE. HEALY HERE NOW. HERE. HERE. TRIPS HERE MCDONALD HERE. AND WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. LET'S STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. ALLEGIANCE, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR RELIGIOU STATUS. ONE NATION OF GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY ALCOHOL. END A MOMENT OF SILENCE, PLEASE. THANK YOU. AND THAT BRINGS US TO, [AGENDA CHANGES AND DELETIONS (TO CURRENT AGENDA ONLY)] UM, OUR AGENDA FOR THE EVENING. I'LL LOOK UP AND DOWN THE DAAS TONIGHT, SEE WHETHER ANYONE HAS A RECOMMENDED CHANGE AND SEEING, UH, NO ONE, UM, MAKING THAT MOTION. I'LL, I'LL, I'LL ADOPT THE AGENDA AS IS AND MOVE US TO OUR [PROCLAMATIONS] PROCLAMATION FOR THE EVENING. ONE OF THE FUN THINGS WE'RE ABLE TO DO IN A COMMUNITY. AND, UH, TONIGHT I'D LIKE TO INVITE MAUREEN MCCUSKER, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE PET DOWNTOWN PETALUMA ASSOCI, THE PETALUMA DOWNTOWN ASSOCIATION TO THE PODIUM WHILE I READ THE, UH, PROCLAMATION FOR SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY. AND MARIE, ARE YOU HERE? YEAH. AH, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU'RE FIRST ON THE AGENDA. UM, WELL, WE WILL, UH, PROCEED WITH THE, UH, PROCLAMATION AND IT READS, WHEREAS THE CITY OF PETALUMA CELEBRATES OUR LOCAL SMALL BUSINESS AND THE CONTRIBUTIONS THEY MAKE TO THE LOCAL ECONOMY BY CREATING JOBS, SERVING OUR DIVERSE COMMUNITY, INNOVATING TO HELP SOLVE GLOBAL PROBLEMS AND LAUNCHING FUTURE GROWTH INDUSTRIES. AND WHEREAS ACCORDING TO THE UNITED STATES SMALL BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION, CALIFORNIA IS THE FIFTH LARGEST ECONOMY IN THE WORLD. AND IT HAS MORE THAN 4.2 MILLION SMALL BUSINESSES MORE THAN ANY OTHER STATE. THERE ARE CURRENTLY 32.5 MILLION SMALL BUSINESSES IN THE UNITED STATES. AND SMALL BUSINESSES REPRESENT MORE THAN 99% OF COMPANIES WITH PAID EMPLOYEES AND ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR OVER 60% OF NET NEW JOBS CREATED SINCE 1995. AND, UM, WHEREAS 95% OF CONSUMERS WHO SHOPPED IN SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY REPORTED THE DAY, MAKES THEM WANT TO SHOP OR EAT AT SMALL, INDEPENDENTLY OWNED BUSINESSES ALL YEAR LONG, NOT JUST DURING THE HOLIDAY SEASON. AND WHEREAS 96% OF CONSUMERS WHO SHOP ON SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY AGREE THAT SHOPPING AT SMALL, INDEPENDENTLY OWNED BUSINESSES SUPPORTS THEIR COMMITMENT TO MAKING PURCHASES THAT HAVE A POSITIVE SOCIAL ECONOMIC AND ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT. AND 97% OF CONSUMERS WHO SHOPPED ON SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY AGREE THAT SMALL BUSINESSES ARE ESSENTIAL TO THEIR COMMUNITY. AND WHEREAS COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY HAVE ENDORSED THE SATURDAY AFTER THANKSGIVING AS SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY, NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT I, KEVIN MCDONALD, MAYOR OF PETALUMA, ALONG WITH THE MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL DO HEREBY PROCLAIM NOVEMBER 30TH, 2024 [00:05:02] AS SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY AND URGED THE RESIDENTS OF PETALUMA AND COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESSES AND MERCHANTS ON SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY AND THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. THANK YOU. AND THAT MOVES OUR AGENDA TO, [GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT] TO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. AND DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, THE PUBLIC'S INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON ITEMS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THAT ARE WITHIN THE CITY COUNCIL'S SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION, AND THAT ARE NOT LISTED ON THE CURRENT AGENDA. PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED UP TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON. DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF PERSONS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COUNSEL. TIME WILL BE ALLOCATED IN EQUAL SHARES TOTALING NO MORE THAN 20 MINUTES. AND SO I'LL ASK OUR CLERK IF WE'VE RECEIVED ONLINE COMMENTS AND, UH, AND THEN ALSO TO LEAD US INTO THE MESSAGING. SURE. WE DID RECEIVE SEVEN PUBLIC COMMENTS, GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS. UH, AND AT THIS TIME, I WILL START A 32ND CLOCK FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ATTENDING IN PERSON SHOULD BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE SO. SPEAKERS ARE REMINDED TO BE RESPECTFUL IN THEIR COMMENTS AND THAT THIS MEETING IS BEING TRANSLATED. PLEASE PAUSE BETWEEN SENTENCES FOR TRANSLATION. WE, WE'LL, UM, TAKE A A MINUTE HERE AND INVITE MARIE UP TO RECEIVE HER PROCLAMATION, . AND, UH, BOY, YOU MISSED ALL THE NICE THINGS WE SAID ABOUT, UH, SMALL BUSINESS NO, UH, PRESSURE OR ANYTHING. RIGHT. BUT, UH, WE, WE HAVE, UH, 10, UM, SPEAKERS TONIGHT AND GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. AND SO THAT'S TWO MINUTES A PIECE AND WE'LL ADD, UH, MARIE TO BE OUR FIRST SPEAKER IF YOU'D LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. WHEN YOU CATCH YOUR BREATH, I KNOW THERE'S NO PARKING. UH, SO THANK YOU FOR, UH, HAVING ME HERE TONIGHT. I'M HAPPY TO, UH, RECEIVE THIS PROCLAMATION ON BEHALF OF SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY. AND SMALL BUSINESSES ARE THE BACKBONE OF OUR COMMUNITY. AND, UH, WE RECOGNIZE SMALL BUSINESS ON NOVEMBER 30TH, WHICH WILL BE SATURDAY, THE SATURDAY AFTER THANKSGIVING. UH, THE PENMAN DOWNTOWN ASSOCIATION VISITORS PROGRAM REPO RECOGNIZES THE IMPORTANCE OF SMALL BUSINESSES AND SUPPORTING THEM IN OUR DOWNTOWN. UM, THEY'RE AN IMPORTANT PART OF OUR ECONOMY AND THE GLUE THAT HOLDS US TOGETHER. UM, WE INVITE AND ENCOURAGE OUR LOCAL COMMUNITY AND VISITORS ALIKE TO SHOP SMALL IN, UH, DURING THE HOLIDAYS AND YEAR ROUND BECAUSE WHEN YOU SHOP LOCALLY AND SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESSES, THE MONEY RECIRCULATES HERE. UH, IT DOESN'T GO OUTTA STATE AND IT DOESN'T GO OVERSEAS. UM, BY SUPPORTING AND SHOPPING AT INDEPENDENT BUSINESSES, EVERYONE CAN PLAY A PART IN STRENGTHENING OUR ECONOMY AND SUPPORTING OUR SMALL LOCAL BUSINESSES. UM, WE WILL BE DOING, UM, HANDING OUT ABOUT A HUNDRED SMALL BUSINESS BAGS FULL OF LOCAL GOODIES ON SATURDAY THE 30TH, UM, AT SANTA'S RIVERA ARRIVAL IN REAL PLAZA. SO COME AND JOIN US TO KICK OFF THE HOLIDAYS. WE HAVE THREE WEEKS OF EVENTS, UH, STARTING NOVEMBER 30TH. THE FOLLOWING WEEK WE HAVE, UM, WELL, THE FRIDAY NIGHT AFTERWARDS WE HAVE THE TREE LIGHTING IN THEATER SQUARE. THANK YOU, KAREN. I SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT MINE. UM, AND THEN ON THE SATURDAY WE HAVE A LIGHTED BOAT PARADE. AND THE FOLLOWING WEEK WE HAVE SMALL, UM, MARKETPLACE ON KENTUCKY STREET AND AN OPEN HOUSE DOWNTOWN, UH, INVITING YOU ALL TO ENJOY YOUR DOWNTOWN SHOP LOCALLY AND SUPPORT OUR MORE LOCAL STORES. THANK YOU. AND, UM, I SEE WE HAVE THE TWO MINUTE CLOCK UP AND OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS CATHERINE GRABOWSKI. AND OUR SECOND SPEAKER WILL BE JODY JOHNSON. YES. MY NAME IS CATHERINE BROWSKI. I LIVE AT THE LITTLE WOODS VILLA MOBILE HOME PARK. THERE'S THINGS GOING ON THAT MOBILE PARK THAT SHOULD NOT BE GOING ON. FOR EXAMPLE, UH, HARMONY IS ILLEGALLY ALLOWING, UH, THE AUNTS SITE PARK MANAGER'S FAMILY AND FRIEND AT 11 TO BE PARKED ILLEGALLY AGAINST MY MOBILE HOME AT 31. [00:10:02] THAT'S, THERE'S NOT A LEGAL PARKING AREA. THERE'S A PROPANE TANK THING THERE, AND THAT'S PUTTING MY LIFE, MY SAFETY, MY MOBILE HOME ENDANGERMENT. THEY'VE DONE SO MUCH DAMAGE THAT FENCE THAT'S AT MY PLACE. AND ALSO TOO, HARMONY SHOULD BE PAYING THEIR OWN PROPERTY TAX FOR THEIR LAND. WE PAY, WE PAY OUR, OUR MOBILE HOME, OUR TAX FOR THE MOBILE HOME 'CAUSE WE OWN THE HOME. BUT SINCE HARMONY OWNS THE LAND, THEY SHOULD BE PAYING THEIR OWN PROPERTY TAX FOR THE LAND. AND ALSO TOO, THIS, SO-CALLED HARMONY IS ILLEGALLY LAND THEIR FRIENDS AND ONSITE PARK MANAGERS, FAMILY AND FRIENDS, THEY PARK ILLEGALLY ON THE FAR LANES AND THAT MOAN PARK, AND THEY ILLEGAL PARKED IN THE RED ZONE ON PERRY LANE. THAT'S PUTTING PEOPLE'S LIVES IN DANGER. AND THE COPS DON'T DO A DARN THING. THEY DON'T EVEN RESPOND. YOU NEED TO GET THE COPS OUT THERE AND DO SOMETHING AND STOP ALLOWING HARMONY TO BE BREAKING THE LAW. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS JODY JOHNSON, TO BE FOLLOWED BY KAY POLLEN. GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL AND CITY STAFF. OUR MOBILE PARK RESIDENTS FROM YOUNGSTOWN, LITTLEWOOD, AND CAPRI A LOT HERE TONIGHT CONTINUE TO BE ATTACKED BY PARK OWNERS THREE PILLARS IN HARMONY. AFTER YEARS OF THE CITY OF PETALUMA, HAVING THE FORESIGHT TO ADD ADDITIONAL PROTECTIONS AND MORE IMPORTANTLY TO SEE THE VALUE OF EACH RESIDENT OF PETALUMA, INCLUDING OUR MOBILE PARK RESIDENT OWNERS, THE PARK OWNERS OF YOUNGSTOWN, SENT WHAT OUR RESIDENTS PERCEIVE AS AN EXTORTION LETTER TO EVERY RESIDENT THROUGH THE UNITED STATES POST OFFICE. YOUNGSTOWN RESIDENTS HAVE DEFENDED THEIR MOBILE HOME AND THEIR RIGHTS AT CITY LEVEL, STATE LEVEL, AND IN COURTS OF LAW FOR OVER ONE AND A HALF YEARS. PARK OWNER'S INTENTION WITH THIS LETTER OF COERCION IS TO SCARE AND INTIMIDATE RESIDENTS INTO GIVING UP THE VERY PROTECTIONS VOTED ON BY THIS CITY COUNCIL. INSTEAD OF RENT STABILIZATION ANNUAL INCREASES, THEY WANT 6% INCREASES FOR FIVE YEARS. ANOTHER WORD FOR LONG-TERM LEASES, WHICH BECOME OBSOLETE ON JANUARY 1ST, 2025 THROUGH AB 27 82, AB 27 82, AND THE CITY OF PETALUMA ENACTED THESE PROTECTIONS BECAUSE OF THE PREDATORY NATURE THAT RESIDENTS WERE BEING DENIED THEIR RIGHT TO RENT STABILIZATION IN EFFECT, SINCE 1994, THE CITY OF PETALUMA UPHELD THE VACANCY CONTROL ON THE GROUND RENT AT MOBILE PARKS. BUT THIS LETTER IS WANTING RESIDENTS TO GIVE UP THE CONTROL AND GIVE TO A PARK OWNER BEING ABLE TO RAISE THE GROUND RENT TO WHATEVER THEY WISH. THEN OF COURSE, THE LETTER WANTS RESIDENTS TO GIVE UP THE SENIOR PARK OVERLAY DESIGNATION LAWFULLY VOTED ON. OUR RESIDENTS WERE MADE TO FEEL FEAR WHEN RECEIVING THESE LETTERS, EVEN THOUGH THESE LAWS PROTECT THEM AGAINST THIS CLOSURE WAS WEAPONIZED IN THIS LETTER TO LEAD THE RESIDENTS TO FEEL THAT IF THEY DID NOT GIVE UP THEIR RIGHTS, THEY WOULD'VE NO PLACE TO GO WITH THEIR MOBILE HOME THAT THEY OWN. OKAY. POLLEN TO BE FOLLOWED BY KELLY WALLER. AND, AND IF I COULD, WE'RE GONNA HOLD THE APPLAUSE TILL AFTER THE EVENING SO THAT WE NEITHER GET ON THE SIDE OF APPLAUDING OR NOT APPLAUDING FOR THINGS. SO WE'LL KEEP THE QUORUM NEUTRAL FOR EVERYONE. SOME RESIDENTS TRULY FELT CORNERED, SCARED, INTIMIDATED BY THE THREAT OF HOMELESSNESS HANGING OVER THEM. WHY DID THE PARK OWNERS SEND THIS LETTER? FIRST? BECAUSE THEY COULD NOT COERCE RESIDENTS TO A MEETING TO FEAR THEM INTO THIS. ALSO BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT PRODUCING THE RESULTS THEY WANT IN COURT. THE RESULTS THEY HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AFTER TO REMOVE ALL PROTECTIONS FROM MOBILE HOME PARKS SO THEY COULD TAKE GREED TO A NEW LEVEL. TO ADD INSULT TO INJURY, YOUNGSTOWN RESIDENTS APPEALS STAY HEARING GRANTED IN AN ORDER OF SHORTENING TIME TO BE HEARD. NOVEMBER 5TH WAS TAKEN OFF CALENDAR BECAUSE PARK OWNER'S ATTORNEYS USED THE AFTERNOON TO BEFORE TO MERGE CASES KNOWING THAT THEIR PREEMPTORY CHALLENGE HAD BEEN DENIED FOR FAILING TO PAY THE FILING FEE. THE ELDER ABUSE GOING ON AT YOUNGSTOWN AGAINST THE RESIDENT OWNERS HAS NO BOUNDS LITTLEWOODS RESIDENTS IN THE MIDDLE OF A SECOND ARBITRATION IN SIX MONTHS LAST WEEK, ANOTHER ATTACK ON THEIR RIGHTS IN THE NEW RULES AND REGULATIONS, A CLOSER NOTICE AS WELL NOW ARE FACED WITH THEIR PARKING LOT USED FOR YEARS AND YEARS BY RESIDENTS COMPLETELY BEING REMOVED FROM THEM. INTENTION OF GATES TO DENY THEM THEIR RIGHT TO PARK BEING CONSTRUCTED AND THEIR PARK OWNER WILLFULLY TESTIFYING ON THURSDAY THAT THEY HAD NO RIGHT TO THAT PARKING ANYWAY ARE BEING CONTINUALLY THREATENED, INTIMIDATED, AND CAN'T EVEN COME UP FOR AIR TO ADD INSULT TO INJURY. [00:15:01] NOTHING THE PARK OWNERS ARE SENDING THEM IS IN SPANISH. THIS IS PARKING THEY HAVE HAD FOR YEARS. THE ABUSE BY THE PARK OWNERS HAS NO BOUNDS. THERE ARE HARDWORKING FAMILIES AND SENIORS WHO ARE PARK OWNERS, WHO PARK OWNERS CONTINUE TO INTIMIDATE AND BREAK DOWN OR BLEED THEM DRY IN LEGAL FEES WHERE THEY WILL NOT HAVE A LEGAL LEVEL LEGAL PLAYING FIELD. THE RESIDENTS FROM YOUNGSTOWN AND LITTLE WOODS ARE GRATEFUL FOR THE INFORMATION ON THE CLOSURE PROCESS FROM THE CITY OF PETALUMA TO CONFIRM THEIR RIGHTS TO DUE PROCESS. UNDERSTANDING THE PROCESS HELPS DEFER FEAR. INFORMATION CAN LEAD TO HOPE. THANK YOU. UH, OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS KELLY WALKER TO BE FOLLOWED BY JANICE BARKER CAPRI MOBILE HOME PARK RESIDENTS OWNED BY THE SAME BAD ACTOR AS LITTLEWOODS CONTINUES TO NOT BE MADE. WHOLE PARK OWNERS WERE NOT GIVEN AN ARBITRATION AWARD, BUT THEY TOOK IT ANYWAY, CLAIMED THAT IT WAS A MISTAKE THAT INCREASED RESIDENCE, THE ANNUAL INCREASE, ALTHOUGH NEVER NOTICED IN THE ARBITRATION APPLICATION ON AN INFLATED GROUND RENT THAT INCLUDED UTILITIES, ELECTRIC, ET CETERA. WHERE DID THE INFLATED NUMBERS OF RESIDENT GROUND RENT COME FROM? IT CAME FROM THE BAD ACTOR PARK OWNER AND NOT FROM THE LEGITIMATE FACTUAL ACCOUNTING AND PREVIOUS RENT STATEMENTS. THEN WE HAVE 90% OF CAPRI RESIDENTS COERCED INTO LONG-TERM LEASES, NEVER KNOWING THEIR RIGHT EXISTED TO RENT STABILIZATION WHEN THEIR PARK WAS PURCHASED IN MAY, 2024. AND THE SECRETS EXPOSED, THE NEW OWNERS DOUBLED DOWN IN TAKING WHAT THEY HAD NO RIGHT TO TAKE AND NOTABLY COERCING RESIDENTS INTO SIGNING LONG-TERM LEASES. EVERY MONTH. IT GOES BY RESIDENTS ARE MADE TO PAY INCREASES THAT ARE UNLAWFUL JUST SO THEY DON'T END UP IN AN EVICTION PROCESS THAT MANY CANNOT AFFORD TO FIGHT. WE WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER CAPTIONS OF IN-PERSON CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS IN SPANISH OR SOME SORT OF TRANSLATION EQUIPMENT FOR THESE BEAUTIFUL RESIDENTS WHO COME TO BE A PART OF THE PROCESS OF ADVOCACY FOR THEIR RIGHTS. WE STAND TOGETHER IN PETALUMA MOBILE HOME RESIDENTS UNITED AND ARE STILL FIGHTING FOR ENFORCEMENT OF PARK OWNERS, SKIRTING THE LAWFUL ORDINANCES ENACTED AND MUST STAND UP TO THE BULLIES. WE ARE REMINDED OF THIS QUOTE, THERE IS NO POWER FOR CHANGE GREATER THAN A COMMUNITY DISCOVERING WHAT IT CARES ABOUT. TOGETHER WE CAN TOGETHER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU JANICE BARKER TO BE FOLLOWED BY ANGELA CRUZ. ANGIE, HI. ONCE AGAIN. I'M THE PERSON WITHOUT ANYTHING TO READ. SO I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF MY FELLOW YOUNGSTOWN RESIDENTS. I RECENTLY HAVE HAD MY PARTNER OF 50 YEARS DIAGNOSED WITH DEMENTIA. AND IF IT WEREN'T FOR THE SAFETY OF LITTLE OR OF YOUNGSTOWN, UM, I DON'T THINK I WOULD BE ABLE TO OFFER HIM THE CARE THAT I NOW NEED TO PROVIDE FOR HIM. AND TO HAVE THIS TAKEN AWAY WOULD DEVASTATE MY FAMILY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANGELA CRUZ TO BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, JAY STEWART. I WAS ALSO PART OF THOSE LETTERS, BUT UM, I WROTE SOME STUFF UP. UM, SO I'M FROM LITTLE WOODS ALONG WITH SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS HERE TODAY, AND WE JUST WENT THROUGH OUR SECOND ARBITRATION, UM, WHICH WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ONE DAY AND ENDED UP BEING TWO DAYS. IT WAS ESSENTIALLY, I MEAN, SOME OF YOU ALL KNOW MORE THAN I DO, BUT, UM, OR ALL OF YOU. BUT, UM, IT WAS A FOLLOW UP TO THE ONE WE DID IN APRIL, WHICH WAS FIVE DAYS LONG. UM, AND ESSENTIALLY THE PARK OWNERS DIDN'T LIKE THE ANSWER, SO RIGHT. THEY FOUND THE LOOPHOLE AND THEY DID IT AGAIN. AND AT THE SAME TIME AS THAT, THEY ALSO APPEALED THE FIRST DECISION. SO THEY'RE DOING BOTH OF THOSE THINGS THAT SIMULTANEOUSLY, UM, AND RACKING US UP IN LEGAL FEES AND TRYING TO GIVE US RIGHT WHAT'S CALLED LEGAL ABUSE, UM, BECAUSE WE'RE HUMBLE PEOPLE THAT ARE JUST TRYING TO GET BY. UM, AND WE APPRECIATE THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN, UM, AND THAT SUPPORT AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO NEED THEM, UM, TO HAVE AN EQUAL PLAYING FIELD. SO THANK YOU. UM, AND THEN SOME OTHER STUFF THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP WITH MY TIME WAS, UM, AT THE SAME TIME THAT THEY DID OUR FIRST ARBITRATION STATING THEY HAD NO MONEY, THEY BOUGHT A WHOLE OTHER MOBILE HOME PARK, WHICH IS CAPRI THAT'S HERE TODAY AND A [00:20:01] MONTH LATER STARTED DOING THE SAME STUFF TO THEM DOING, UM, ARBITRATIONS ON, ON, UM, THE PEOPLE THERE. AND SO, UM, WITH THE PARKING, I HAVE SOME OTHER NEIGHBORS HERE TODAY THAT ARE GONNA SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT, BUT REALLY IT'S RIDICULOUS THAT THEY ARE CONTINUING TO HARASS US IN ANY WAY THAT THEY CAN AND TAKE EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING THAT THEY CAN, THE LITTLE BIT THAT WE DO HAVE. UM, SO WE APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT AND HOPE THAT YOU CAN SUPPORT US IN CONTINUING TO, UM, HOLD THE STANDARD OF WHAT PETALUMA IS AND WE APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS JAYCE STEWART TO BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, TOM BERNHEIMER. HELLO, UH, I'M JAY STEWART AND MY FAMILY AND I ARE FROM LITTLE WOODS. UH, A FEW WEEKS AGO WE, UH, THE PARK RECEIVED A NOTICE ON OUR DOOR SAYING THAT THERE'D BE WORK DONE, UH, THE NEXT DAY ON THE, THE PAVEMENT, AND THAT WE HAD TO REMOVE OUR CARS FROM THE PARKING AREAS. UH, THE TIMELINE GIVEN WAS 6:00 AM TO 6:00 PM AND THE FLYER WE GOT WAS NOT FROM HARMONY, IT WAS FROM JB BOSTIC COMPANY AND, UM, WHO I THINK ARE THE ONES WHO DID THE WORK. AND TO DATE, WE'VE HAD NO CON UH, NO COMMUNICATION AT ALL FROM HARMONY ABOUT ANYTHING HAVING TO DO WITH THE PARKING. UM, IN ANY CASE, UH, SO THAT EVENING AFTER 6:00 PM UH, THE PARKING LOT WAS STILL CLOSED OFF AND THE PARKING LOT LINES WERE LEFT UNPAINTED. UM, UNLIKE THE LINES IN THE SMALL FRONT PARKING LOT, SOME OF THE LITTLE WOOD RESIDENTS TRIED TO GET INFORMATION FROM THE WORKERS AND WERE EVENTUALLY TOLD THAT THEY'D BE BACK THE FOLLOWING DAY, UH, SATURDAY TO FINISH. BUT THAT NEVER HAPPENED, AND THE PARKING SPOTS HAVE STILL NOT BEEN PAINTED. UM, EVENTUALLY THE CONES AND ROPE, UH, CLOSING OFF THE BACK LOT WERE REMOVED AND OUT OF NECESSITY WE BEGAN PARKING THE BACK LOT AGAIN. HOWEVER, UH, YEAH, NO, LIKE I SAID, NO COMMUNICATION FROM HARMONY EVER CAME ABOUT IT. UH, ON LAST TUESDAY WE, ON THE 12TH, WE SAW SPRAY PAINTING, UH, MARKINGS ON THE GROUND NEAR THE BACK PARKING AREA THAT SAID GATE AND MARKED OUT AN AREA IN THE LOT THAT INCLUDED ALL OF THE PARKING SPACES. UM, IT DEFINITELY LOOKED LIKE THEY WERE GONNA JUST FENCE OFF EVERYTHING BACK THERE. UM, AND THEN DURING THE, UH, LITIGATION HEARING, APPARENTLY THEY SAID THAT THEY'D BEEN NEVER GIVEN US ANY PARKING SPACES AND THEY WEREN'T OURS. AND THEY, UH, WERE ONLY GIVEN US PARKING SPACES THAT ARE ON OUR HOME LOTS. UH, THIS IS BASICALLY COMPLETELY FALSE. UH, THE PARKING LOTS UP UNTIL A FEW MONTHS AGO, OR SORRY, THE PARKING SPACES UP UNTIL A FEW MONTHS AGO HAD NUMBERS DENOTING WHICH HOUSE LOT THEY BELONGED TO. UM, AND THEN THEY JUST VANISHED ONE DAY. . UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DARN. SORRY, I'LL BE, OH, SORRY. I DID HAVE THINGS MARKING THE AREA, IF THAT'D BE USEFUL TO SEE. THANK YOU. TOM BERNHEIMER, UH, TO BE FOLLOWED BY TIM PORTUS. GOOD SPEAKERS. I DUNNO IF PEOPLE HEARD IT. THEY'RE REALLY PREPARED. THAT'S GREAT. UM, I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA BUT IS SORT OF LIKE UP THERE ON SOME OF THE PICTURES IS I JUST WANT TO REMIND THE CITY COUNCIL THAT THE, UM, RIVER AND ITS WATERSHED SHOULD BE PROTECTED. AND THAT'S PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN. AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE BEING PUT FORWARD ABOUT, UM, PUTTING THINGS ON THE RIVER OR INCREASING DENSITY ON THE RIVER. I ASK YOU TO RETHINK THAT. UM, THANK YOU. I'LL HAVE, I'LL COME BACK TO HIM WITH NUMBER 11 LATER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, TIM PORTUS TO BE FOLLOWED BY STACY EARL. HELLO, MY COUNSEL, COUNSELORS, MANAGER, AND THE CLERK. THANK YOU, ALL OF YOU, BECAUSE YOU'RE REALLY BUSTED AND I APPRECIATE IT. AND EVERY ONE OF THESE PEOPLE BEHIND ME DO TOO. AND THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT CAN'T EVEN MAKE IT THAT APPRECIATE IT TOO. JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW. THANK YOU. REALLY, YOU GUYS ARE LIKE HOLDING US UP, LETTING US BREATHE. AND THANK YOU FOR THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, STACEY EARL WILL BE THE LAST SPEAKER AND A GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. I DON'T KNOW HOW I FOLLOW THAT. THAT WAS VERY HEARTFELT. I FEEL FOR YOU ALL. AND THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR YOUR SERVICE. UM, I, UM, [00:25:01] MY COMMENT IS IN REGARDS TO DEVELOPING A PARKS MASTER PLAN. I'M ON THE PARKS AND RECREATION COMMITTEE. I'M THE CHAIR, UM, HAS BEEN ON THERE FOR FOUR YEARS. UM, I KNOW THAT IT IS IN THE WORKS, IT'S ALWAYS KIND OF IN THE WORKS. UM, BUT SOON YOU'RE GONNA HEAR ABOUT THE POOL REPLASTERING. AND SO I WANTED TO JUST PRIME ALL OF YOUR BRAINS TO START THINKING PARKS MASTER PLAN, PLEASE. OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS I'VE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION, IT COMES UP ALMOST MONTHLY. WE NEED THIS MASTER PLAN WITHOUT A PLAN. WE KEEP PLAYING WHACK-A-MOLE WITH NOT ONLY MAINTENANCE. OH, HOLD ON ONE SECOND. I FORGOT SOMETHING. I HAVE A WHOLE THING IN HERE ABOUT THANKING OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT BECAUSE I HAVE TO SAY THEY'RE DOING A LOT WITH A VERY LITTLE, SO I SKIPPED OVER MY PIECE WHEN I EDITED. UM, THEY KEEP EVERYTHING LOOKING GREAT. THEY'RE REALLY DOING THE BEST JOB CONSTANTLY. WHEN PEOPLE ARE COMING UP AND SAYING, WE WANT MORE, WE WANT MORE, WE WANT MORE. THEY SMILE WITH A FANTASTIC FACE AND SAY, WE'RE GONNA TRY. SO I NEED TO REALLY, REALLY STRESS WHAT AN AMAZING JOB THAT THEY'RE DOING. UM, BUT WITHOUT THIS PLAN, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE PLAYING WHACK-A-MOLE WITH NOT ONLY MAINTENANCE, BUT HOW WE LOOK FORWARD INTO THE FUTURE OF WHAT WE WANT AND WHAT WE NEED FROM OUR PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT. WE NEED TO GET A NEEDS ASSESSMENT SO THAT WHEN WE BUILD AND REPAIR NEW PARKS, WE ARE LOOKING TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY THE WANT AND NEED FOR ADULT ACTIVE PLAYGROUNDS, DIFFERENT COURTS, THINGS LIKE BASKETBALL AND BASEBALL AND SOCCER ON BOTH SIDES OF OUR, OF OUR TOWN. THE AGING INFRASTRUCTURE, LIKE THE SNACK SHACK AT PRINCE, THE GRANDSTANDS AT MC MCNAIR, AND BOTH THE LOCKER ROOM AND THE ENTIRE POOL. AND THAT'S JUST ME OFF LIKE MY FIVE FINGERS. SO I URGE YOU AS WE MOVE FORWARD INTO THIS NEXT YEAR THAT YOU GUYS WILL REALLY PUSH FORWARD FOR THIS. WE'VE GOT A MASTER PLAN FOR BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN, AN ART COMMITTEE PLAN, A BOOT BLUE PLAN. OH, I'M, OH, LOTS OF PLANS, BUT NOT A PARK MASTER. THANK YOU. I'M ALWAYS GOOD TO . THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THAT CONCLUDES GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE EVENING, AND I'D LIKE TO BRING IT [COUNCIL COMMENT] UP TO THE COUNCIL FOR COUNCIL COMMENTS, UM, ACTIVITIES THEY'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH OVER THE PAST, UH, TWO WEEKS SINCE OUR LAST MEETING. I'D LIKE TO START WITH OUR VICE MAYOR. UH, THANK YOU. UM, ONE OF THE BIGGER MEETINGS WE HAD WAS WITH THE CLIMATE COMMISSION, WHICH MET THIS LAST THURSDAY. AND, UH, THE JOB BOTH AT THIS MEETING AND CONTINUING FOR PROBABLY FOR PROBABLY A WHOLE YEAR, UH, THAT'S GONNA BE FOCUSED ON IMPLEMENTATION OF THE BLUEPRINT FOR CARBON EMISSION REDUCTION THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE, UH, FOLLOWING AND AS PART OF OUR GONNA BE OUR, OUR GENERAL PLAN FOCUS. SO, UM, THAT'S, SO WE'RE PLANNING ON DOING THAT. WE HAVE THREE AD HOC GROUPS DIVIDED UP TO, UM, ATTACK AND, AND FIGURE OUT THE BEST THING WE CAN DO, UH, AND GIVE A DEVICE TO THE CITY AS WELL AS RECOMMENDATIONS AND, UM, AND IF WE HAVE TO HAVE F FIND OUT MORE INFORMATION. BUT ANYWAY, WE HAVE, UH, THREE VERY ACTIVE WITH LOTS OF EXPERTISE IN THIS COMMITTEE, SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT'LL BE A LOT OF GOOD WORK WE'LL BE HAPPENING THIS NEXT YEAR, UH, WITH THAT PLAN AT THE NORTH BAY WATERSHED ASSOCIATION. UM, I'M WORKING WITH A, UH, A SUB, UH, AD HOC GROUP THERE, AND THERE'S GONNA BE A SMALL, UH, GRANTS AND SCHOLARSHIPS PROGRAM THAT'S IN DEVELOPMENT THAT WE CAN, UH, PARTICIPATE IN. AND, UH, THERE'LL, THERE'LL BE CLOSE TO OVER THE NEXT, UH, THREE YEARS, ABOUT A HALF MILLION DOLLARS IS, IS BEING ALLOCATED FOR THIS TYPE PROGRAM. UM, I'VE PARTICIPATED IN A, A CLIMATE WEBINAR AND IT TURNED OUT IT WAS A, UM, SOMEONE FROM SANTA CRUZ HAS GOT A CLIMATE RESILIENCY DISTRICT STARTED, UH, WHICH IS USING A, UH, TAX INCREMENTAL TOOL. SO APPARENTLY THAT'S A WAY OF, UM, STOCKPILING SOME MONEY, PUTTING IT INTO THE BANK AND THEN USING IT FOR, UH, SPECIFIC PROJECTS THAT CAN BE USED, UM, TO GO AFTER GRANTS. AND APPARENTLY THERE WAS A, A COUPLE FOLKS THERE ALSO FROM, FROM, UH, WHO DO GRANTS WORK ON THEM LIKE, UH, UH, CONSULTANTS. AND THEIR EXPECTATIONS IS THERE'S GONNA BE LOTS OF FUTURE GRANTS STILL, UH, FOR CLIMATE CHANGE AND CLIMATE RESILIENCY. AND SO SOMETHING THAT, UH, IS, IS RECOMMENDED TO, TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT AS A POSSIBILITY, IT WOULD BE A CLIMATE RESILIENCY DISTRICT, UH, ON THAT AREA. UM, AND SOME, MOSTLY COUNTIES ARE WORKING ON IT, BUT A FEW CITIES AND A FEW CITIES AND COUNTIES ARE WORKING TOGETHER ON THAT. I KNOW HERE IN, UH, I THINK IT'S SANTA ROSA AND SPAS ARE, ARE WORKING WITH THE COUNTY ON THIS. UM, I GOT TO TALK TO A, A SCOUT TROOP ON CITIZENSHIP. UM, THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER, UH, PLASTICS WEBINAR. AND UH, WHAT I LEARNED IS THAT LOS ANGELES IS LEADING WITH ORDINANCES FOR REDUCING SINGLE USE. AND THIS IS NOT JUST RESTAURANTS, THIS IS BAGS OF ALL SORTS AND, AND VARIOUS OTHER SINGLE USES, UH, THAT ARE BEING, UH, DISTRIBUTED THROUGHOUT THE CITY WHERE THEY'RE RESTAURANTS AND STORES, UM, OR EVEN IN THE HOME, UH, FOR BUYING SALT. THEY EVEN HAVE A, UH, NO PEANUTS ORDINANCE. SO [00:30:01] LA IS WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM THEM WAS, IS LEADING THE CHARGE FOR, UH, BECAUSE THEIR LANDFILLS ARE, ARE FULL OF PLASTICS AND THEY'RE GETTING A LITTLE, A LITTLE OVER HEAVY WITH PLASTICS. UM, AND THEN FINALLY, JUST FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING ME A LITTLE BIT ON, UH, I'VE BEEN WORKING ON MY ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT A DU FOR A YEAR, AND I THINK I'M IN THE FINAL STEP AND I'M ALMOST, I'M, I'M WAITING FOR A FINAL REVIEW NOW, SO YAY ON THAT. THAT'S ALL YOUR WORK. UH, I, I FEEL REALLY PROUD OF GETTING DONE. THANK YOU. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE HOME IMPROVEMENT CHANNEL STOPPING BY, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON. UM, TODAY I HAD MY SCTA MEETING, WHICH STARTED AT ONE 30 AND I LEFT AROUND FIVE, UM, BEFORE IT WAS OVER. BUT IT WAS INTERESTING, THERE WAS A STUDY ON CLIMATE CHANGE AND IT WAS ABOUT 9% OF THE PEOPLE ARE RESISTANT TO THE CLIMATE CHANGE. 33% ARE ENGAGED AND THEY HAVE CIVIC RESPONSIBILITY THAT THEY FEEL LIKE IT'S IMPORTANT. AND THEN THERE'S 47%, UM, IN THIS STUDY THAT ARE KIND OF DETACHED FROM IT. BUT THEY DO CARE. AND IT'S LIKE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. AND SO LIKE, IT'S A FEELING THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE. AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO A DISCUSSION THAT IT'S JUST REALLY IMPORTANT TO SPEAK WITH PEOPLE THAT YOU DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH, TO FIND OUT WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY AGREE. AND IT WAS ACTUALLY A REALLY GOOD, GOOD STUDY, A LONG STUDY TO READ, BUT IT WAS A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION. BUT IT SEEMS LIKE COLLEGE STUDENTS ARE MORE INTERESTED IN CLIMATE CHANGE THAN EVERYBODY ELSE. SO IT'S REALLY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT GENERATION. AND THEN, UM, AS FAR AS STACY EARL, I TOTALLY AGREE THAT WE NEED A PARKS MASTER PLAN, AND THANK YOU FOR COMING AND, UM, ACKNOWLEDGING EVERYBODY IN ALL THE WORK THAT THEY DO. AND I ALSO WANNA BRING UP PARKING ORDINANCE THAT, THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN 2025. 'CAUSE KAREN AND I, COUNCIL MEMBER NOW AND I GET, UM, CALLS FROM PEOPLE ALL THE TIME ABOUT MOTOR HOMES AND, YOU KNOW, CARS THAT AREN'T WORKING ARE JUST STORED ON THE STREET. AND SO THIS IS A LONG PROBLEM THAT I'VE BEEN ON FOR PROBABLY GOING ON NINE YEARS. AND SO I'M HOPING IN 2025 AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR THAT THE PARKING ORDINANCE WILL COME BEFORE THIS COUNCIL. AND I ALSO WANNA THANK, UM, YOUNGSTOWN CAPRI AND LITTLE WOODS. WE KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING THROUGH. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S CHALLENGING AND WE HEAR YOU AND WE'RE HERE FOR YOU AND WE'RE NOT GONNA WALK AWAY. SO THANK YOU FOR COMING. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE. YEAH, I'VE HAD, UH, THREE DIFFERENT MEETINGS SINCE WE LAST MET, TWO OF WHICH I'LL REPORT ON, ON NOVEMBER 6TH. WE REVIEWED OUR, UH, THE PROPOSED BIKE MAP FOR THE BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN MASTER PLAN, WHICH IS BEING UPDATED. UM, I INCLUDE, UH, ENCOURAGE FOLKS TO, TO CHECK THAT OUT, UM, ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE, IF YOU GOOGLE BIKE PAD PLAN, UM, PETALUMA, YOU'LL, YOU'LL GET A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT, BUT IT'S REALLY EXCITING. UM, AND THEN ON NOVEMBER 7TH, I HAD A SONOMA CLEAN POWER BOARD MEETING AND WE, UM, HAD A WORKSHOP ITEM ON, UM, UPDATING OUR PROCUREMENT STANDARDS, UM, TO PROMOTE, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, JOB TRAINING AND HIGH ROAD JOBS. AND, UM, GOT A PRESENTATION ON THE, ON SONOMA CLEAN POWERS TRIBAL OUTREACH EFFORTS, WHICH WAS, UM, PRETTY ENLIGHTENING, UM, GIVEN THE, THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING ON AROUND GEOTHERMAL AND, AND WHAT, UM, THE NEED TO BE ENGAGING WITH THE TRIBES IN THE, IN THE FUTURE. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY, UH, NO LIAISON REPORTS TONIGHT. THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER NOW. UM, THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. UM, MY LIAISON REPORT FOR THE AIRPORT COMMISSION. UH, LAST WEEK WE SPENT SOME TIME DISCUSSING THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO TITLE 16 OF THE PEN AMENDMENT MUNICIPAL CODE. AND THE, THIS IS TITLE 16, JUST ONE CHAPTER IN THE, IN OUR MUNICIPAL CODE. AND IT SHOULD BE COMING TO CITY COUNCIL, UM, AFTER THE, UM, COMMISSION REVIEWS IT ONE MORE TIME. UM, AND THAT WILL PROBABLY BE IN 2025. THE AD HOC COMMITTEE PRESENTED ANSWERS, UM, THAT THE AIRPORT TENANTS GAVE US IN A SURVEY. UM, SO WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE AT THE AIRPORT. UM, THE AIRPORT MANAGER GAVE A REPORT, AN UPDATE ON THE AIRPORT WITH LOTS OF GOOD NEWS FOR 2024 AND THE FUTURE. AND, UM, I THINK WE'VE ALMOST GONNA PAY OFF OUR MORTGAGE IN 2025. UM, SOMETHING TO CELEBRATE, UM, THE PETALUMA DOWNTOWN ASSOCIATION, AS YOU SAW MARIE MCCUSKER, UM, THIS IS A LOT OF INFORMATION, BUT IF YOU SEE THEM AROUND TOWN, GRAB 'EM. 'CAUSE YOU'LL WANNA PUT IT ON YOUR REFRIGERATOR NEXT TO YOUR CALENDAR. UM, THIS IS THE EVENTS CALENDAR FOR THE HOLIDAYS AND COMING UP AS THE HOLIDAY FOOD FAIR AT THE HOTEL PETALUMA ON NOVEMBER 26TH. THE [00:35:01] TICKETS AND TIME AND RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED. IT'S A FREE EVENT, UM, BUT THEY NEED YOU TO SIGN UP SO THAT THEY CAN, UM, CONTROL THE CROWDS 'CAUSE IT'S ALWAYS VERY POPULAR. AND IF YOU DO MAKE A $5 DONATION, I BELIEVE IT GOES TO OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT. UM, SANTA ARRIVES VIA THE RIVER BOAT ON SATURDAY, DECEMBER 30TH, 30TH IN, UM, THE DOWNTOWN TURNING BASIN. AND THAT IS ALSO THE SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY THAT WE HEARD. AND PLEASE VISIT THE WEBSITE, VISIT PETALUMA.COM FOR MORE INFORMATION AND LOOK FOR THESE CALENDARS OF EVENTS. UM, PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR THINGS TO DO WITH THEIR FAMILIES AFTER THANKSGIVING. UM, I ATTENDED THE PF RIBBON CUTTING AT THEIR NEW LOCATION ON FOURTH AND C. IT'S EXACT, ACTUALLY IT'S A HUNDREDTH FOURTH STREET. UM, THEIR 20 24 20 25 IMPACT GRANT AWARDS WILL BE ANNOUNCED SOON. BUT PEF HAS AWARDED MORE THAN $8.9 MILLION TO PEN STUDENTS IN SCHOOLS SINCE 1983. SO THAT'S A VERY AMAZING NUMBER. AND, UM, IT'S THAT GENEROUS COMMUNITY THAT WE HAVE FOR OUR STUDENTS AND FOR THIS WEEK'S STORM PREPAREDNESS FOR RESIDENTS. PUBLIC WORKS WILL BE PROVIDING SAND AND SANDBAGS BEGINNING TOMORROW AT PRINCE PARK. UM, JUST ENTER PRINCE PARK ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE ENTRANCE AND THEY'RE RIGHT THERE ON HOPPER STREET. YOU GO TO THE VERY END BY SHAMROCK AND RESIDENTS ARE REMINDED TO BRING THEIR OWN SHOVELS. UM, THE PARKS MASTER PLAN THAT STACY EARL, UM, BROUGHT, UM, IN HER REPUBLIC COMMENTS TO US IS VERY IMPORTANT. I THINK I MENTION IT EVERY MONTH IN MY MEETING WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND ALSO THE PARKS MASTER, THE FAIRGROUNDS MASTER PLAN 'CAUSE THEY GO TOGETHER. 'CAUSE THAT'S ONE OF OUR PARKS. AND SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL SEE THIS IN 2025. UM, FOR THE MOBILE HOME TENANTS, UM, I I'M JUST SHOCKED AT WHAT LEVEL THESE, UH, PARK OWNERS WILL DO. AND MY SYMPATHY IS WITH YOU AND, UM, LITTLE WOODS RESIDENTS. PLEASE REACH OUT TO ME. UM, I KNOW I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO GET INVOLVED, BUT, UM, I'D LOVE TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY AND, UM, CONSOLE YOU OR HAVE A CUP OF TEA WITH YOU OR WHATEVER I CAN DO AS A COUNCIL MEMBER AND A DISTRICT THREE COUNCIL MEMBER. UM, IT WAS WONDERFUL TO SEE PETALUMA IN THE TV NEWS OVER THE WEEKEND FOR THE WARMING SHELTERS AND OTHER NECESSITIES THAT WE'RE PROVIDING THAT UNHOUSED. AND DURING THESE COLD SPELLS, PETALUMA HAS A LOT TO BE THANKFUL FOR THIS THANKSGIVING. WE LIVE IN A WONDERFUL AND CARING COMMUNITY WITH AN AWESOME CITY STAFF, VOLUNTEERS, RESIDENTS, AND VISITORS, AND GRATEFUL TO LIVE IN PETALUMA AND THANK YOU ALL AND A HAPPY THANKSGIVING AND CELEBRATE, UM, EVERYTHING THAT'S WONDERFUL WITH YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER POKAY. THANKS. I HAVE, UH, NO INFORMATION TO REPORT THIS EVENING, BUT I DO WISH EVERYONE TO HAVE A HAPPY HOLIDAY SEASON. THANKS. THANK YOU. UM, I HAD A FEW MEETINGS OVER THE PAST, UH, COUPLE WEEKS. ONE, UH, THE COUNTYWIDE MAYOR'S MEETING WHERE WE, UH, RECAPPED OUR, OUR GUEST SPEAKER WAS FROM MERO, THE COUNTY'S MENTAL HEALTH GROUP. AND THEIR, UH, PROGRAM WAS ON WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING THAT WE'RE TAXED FOR, AND HOW THEY'RE ABLE TO RAMP UP MORE AND MORE OF IT FOR MORE AND MORE BENEFIT EVERY YEAR. UH, THE ABILITY TO MULTIPLY, UH, THE, THE MONEY TOGETHER, REALLY POWERFUL. AND I WAS ABLE TO, UH, INTRODUCE TO THEM THE KEEPING PEOPLE HOUSED LAUNCH, WHICH, UH, CITY OF PETALUMA AND AND, UH, CITY, CITY OF SANTA ROSA COUNTY HAVE PUT TOGETHER. UM, THAT IS A PROGRAM THAT FUNDS SO YOU DON'T FALL INTO HOMELESSNESS. IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S OFTEN IT MANY THINGS THAT, THAT CREATE HOMELESSNESS, BUT SOMETIMES IT'S JUST A LITTLE MONEY CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. AND NOW THERE'S A PROGRAM TO ADDRESS THAT AND IT'S COUNTYWIDE AND IT'S BEING RUN BY, UM, OUR, OUR LOCAL COTS PROGRAM. SO THAT'S, UH, VERY IMPRESSIVE FOR COTS. AND, UM, I ALSO SHOULD NOTE, AND THE COUNCIL'S VERY GLAD THAT, UH, OUR MEASURE Y URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY PASSED WITH RESOUNDING SUPPORT FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT WAS, UH, VERY WONDERFUL. I, UH, AM CONCERNED THAT THE LIBRARY MEASURES STILL SITTING ON THE EDGE AND HOPEFULLY GET OVER THE FINISH LINE HERE. UM, AND, UM, UH, WE ALSO HAD, UH, RIBBON CUTTING FOR THE REDWOOD BIKE SHARE THAT YOU'LL SEE THE WHITE ELECTRIC BIKES AROUND TOWN. THAT PROGRAM IS ALL KICKED OFF. AND IF YOU HAVEN'T RIDDEN ONE YET, THEY'RE A LOT OF FUN TO RIDE. UM, THEY CAN REALLY PICK UP AND GO. AND, UH, WE ALSO, UH, HAD [00:40:01] RIBBON CUTTING AT AN URGENT CARE FACILITY ON WASHINGTON. AND I THINK ALL OF US NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO THE CHANGING NATURE OF MEDICINE IN OUR COMMUNITY. YOU KNOW, WHAT, WITH ALL THE CHANGES AT PVH AND HOW THESE OTHER ELEMENTS FIT IN. SO IT WAS GOOD TO HAVE THAT PLAYER IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND THAT'S MY REPORT. I'M GONNA PASS IT OVER TO OUR CITY MANAGER. [CITY MANAGER COMMENT] THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND COMMUNITY AND COUNCIL MEMBER. NOW, THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THE SANDBAGS 'CAUSE I HAD THAT ON THE TOP OF MY LIST. SO WE ARE PREPPING FOR OUR FIRST STORM OF THE SEASON, AND WE WILL LEAVE THOSE SANDBAG STATIONS BOTH ON HOPPER AND, UM, UH, THE OTHER LOCATION, WHERE'D I FORGET, PRINCE PARK. THANK YOU, UM, OPEN FOR THE ENTIRE, UM, STORM SEASON. SO, UM, PLEASE FEEL FREE AND ALSO REACH OUT TO US IF YOU CAN'T FILL THOSE BAGS YOURSELF. UM, OUR TURNING BASIN DOCKS ARE NOW OPEN AND THEY'VE BEEN INSTALLED AND ARE OPENED UP PEDESTRIANS AND NON-MOTORIZED, UM, WATERCRAFT. AND THEN IN LATE JANUARY, THEY WILL BE OPEN TO MOTORIZED BOATS. AFTER WE HAVE INSTALLED THE FINAL UTILITY UPGRADES, UM, WE ARE WORKING WITH THE SMALL CRAFT CENTER FLOAT HOUSE, UM, TO OFFER SPECIAL EVENT ACCESS TO THE PUBLIC ON THE DOCKS FOR THE LIGHTED BOAT PARADE ON THE EVENING OF DECEMBER 7TH. AND WE HAVE, AND PLEASE MARK YOUR CALENDARS FOR THE RIBBON CUTTING CEREMONY ON THURSDAY, DECEMBER 12TH. I BELIEVE IT'S LIKELY FROM ONE TO TWO IN THE AFTERNOON, UM, TO JUST CELEBRATE THOSE, THOSE INSTALLATION OF THE DOCKS. WE ALSO HAVE LIGHT UP A LIFE AT WALNUT PARK ON FRIDAY, DECEMBER 6TH AT 6:00 PM FOR THE ANNUAL HOSPICE OF SONOMA COUNTY. UM, THE EXISTING LIGHTING WAS REPLACED AND RE STRUNG THIS YEAR. YAY. THANK YOU. PARKS IN COORDINATION WITH THE EVENT ORGANIZERS. SO WE'RE EXCITED TO WELCOME OUR COMMUNITY TO WHAT IS ALWAYS A SPECIAL TIME TO REMEMBER OUR LOVED ONES. AND THEN WE HAVE, YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF WORK UNDERWAY AT THE FAIRGROUNDS TO PREPARE FOR LUMA ICE, OUR ICE RINK, UM, OUR EVENT TENT AND SOME LIGHTING AND FLOORING IS BEING INSTALLED. AND WE ARE ON TRACK. OFFICIALLY WELCOME THE COMMUNITY ON DECEMBER 13TH AT 4:00 PM AND THEN AFTER THAT, REGULAR HOURS WILL BE FROM 10:00 AM TO 10:00 PM THROUGH JANUARY 7TH. SO SUPER EXCITED, UM, TO KICK OFF OUR LUMA ICE. AND THAT'S, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS FOR THIS EVENING. THANK YOU, MAYOR. YEAH, THAT IS GONNA BE VERY EXCITING. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT MYSELF. UH, AND SO [CONSENT CALENDAR] THAT MOVES US TO OUR CONSENT CALENDAR FOR THE EVENING. AND I'M GONNA LOOK UP AND DOWN THE DIOCESE, SEE IF ANYBODY HAS A QUESTION THEY WANNA RAISE ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR AND SEEING, UM, NO QUESTIONS. I'D LIKE TO, UH, TURN OVER TO OUR CLERK FOR, UM, PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR. YES, WE DID RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR. THREE COMMENTS TOTAL, ONE ON THREE, FOUR AND SIX. UH, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ATTENDING IN PERSON SHOULD BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE SO. SPEAKERS ARE REMINDED TO BE RESPECTFUL IN THEIR COMMENTS AND THAT THIS MEETING IS BEING TRANSLATED. PLEASE PAUSE BETWEEN SENTENCES FOR TRANSLATION. IT LOOKS LIKE WE DON'T HAVE ANY ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR, AND I AM TAKING A DEEP BREATH WHILE THE ROOM CHANGES. AND WITH NO CARDS OR SPEAKERS RUSHING TO THE FRONT ON OUR CONSENT CALENDAR, I'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR AND LOOK TO COUNSEL FOR A MOTION. I'LL SECOND, OR I'LL MAKE THE MOTION. YEAH. UM, I'D BE HAPPY TO MOVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS ONE THROUGH NINE. WE HAVE A MOTION BY HEALY SECOND AND A SECOND VAC CATER THOMPSON. AND I'LL ASK THE CLERK FOR A ROLL CALL. VOTE BARNACLE. AYE. CATER THOMPSON. YES. HEALY? YES. NOW YES. POST. OKAY. YES. SHRIVES. YES. MCDONALD? YES. MOTION CARRIES. WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. AND, UH, [PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION] NOW WE'LL MOVE TO OUR, UH, NEXT ITEM. IT'S, IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND IT'S FOR, FOR THE FIRST READING, CHANGING CERTAIN APPROPRIATIONS FOR THE OPERATIONS OF THE CITY OF PETALUMA FROM JULY 1ST, 2024 TO JUNE 30TH, 2025. AND AUTHORIZING, UM, A NUMBER OF POSITIONAL CHANGES. AND TO HELP US WITH THAT TONIGHT, I'D LIKE, UH, TO INVITE, UH, JESSE G***H, OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR AND, AND, UH, LINDA LEE, HUMAN RESOURCE DIRECTOR TO, UM, SHARE THE REPORT. GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, THE CITY REVIEWS ITS BUDGET ON A CONTINUAL [00:45:01] BASIS, AND THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT BRINGS THREE BUDGET ADJUSTMENT REPORTS TO COUNCIL OVER THE COURSE OF EACH FISCAL YEAR. TONIGHT WE HAVE THE FIRST QUARTER ADJUSTMENTS TO THE ADOPTED BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 20 24, 25. THE BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS INCLUDE ITEMS STEMMING FROM APPROVED COUNCIL ACTIONS FROM JULY 1ST THROUGH SEPTEMBER 30TH, CARRYOVERS OF PRIOR YEAR, UNUSED BUDGET APPROPRIATIONS, AND NEW ITEMS BASED ON CURRENT NEEDS. ALL EXPENDITURE, BUDGET APPROPRIATION INCREASES HAVE SUFFICIENT FUND BALANCE TO SUPPORT THEM. THE RECOMMENDED ACTION FOR THE FIRST QUARTER BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS IS FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO INTRODUCE THE ATTACHED ORDINANCE TO AMEND APPROPRIATION BUDGETS FOR THE FISCAL YEAR ENDING JUNE 30TH, 2025. AND THIS FIRST QUARTER ADJUSTMENT ITEM ALSO INCLUDES SEVERAL CHANGES TO THE CITY'S POSITION ALLOCATION PLAN. THERE ARE NO NET INCREASES OR DECREASES TO OVERALL STAFFING AND NO ADDITIONAL BUDGET IMPACT. CITYWIDE NEEDS AND STAFFING REQUIREMENTS WERE ASSESSED BY HUMAN RESOURCES FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF A CITY THAT WORKS FOR EVERYONE, A GOAL THAT COMMITS US TO RECRUIT, HIRE, RETAIN, AND ADVANCE A WORKFORCE THAT IS DIVERSE, REPRESENTATIVE, SKILLED, TALENTED, AND PREPARED TO SERVE THE FULL RANGE OF NEEDS IN OUR CITY. THE PROPOSED STAFFING CHANGES WERE CAREFULLY CONSIDERED AND DEVELOPED TO ALIGN WITH THE CITY'S NEEDS AND TO PROVIDE OUR COMMUNITY WITH THE LEVEL OF SERVICE IT DESERVES. THE RECOMMENDED ACTION IS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPT THE RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING AND ELIMINATING POSITION OR FUNDING ALLOCATIONS AND THE RESOLUTION TO UPDATE THE AUTHORIZED AND FUNDED PERMANENT POSITION SCHEDULE. AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE REPORT. AND, UM, UM, WHY DON'T WE ASK IF THE COUNCIL HAS ANY QUESTIONS AND, UH, NOT SEEING ANY QUESTIONS. I'D LIKE TO ASK THE CLERK TO OPEN THIS FOR A PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE ITEM. SURE. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ATTENDING IN PERSON SHOULD BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE SO. SPEAKERS ARE REMINDED TO BE RESPECTFUL IN THEIR COMMENTS AND THAT THIS MEETING IS BEING TRANSLATED. PLEASE PAUSE BETWEEN SENTENCES FOR TRANSLATION AND NOT SEEING ANYBODY RUSHING TO THE CLERK TO TURN IN A CARD AND REQUEST TO SPEAK. I'LL NOW CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE ITEM FOR THE EVENING AND BRING IT BACK UP TO COUNSEL. I'LL MAKE THE MOTION FOR A MOTION, AND THEN IT'S A MOTION FROM CATER THOMPSON. AND A SECOND FROM NOW. ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. BARNACLE. AYE. CATER THOMPSON. YES. HEALY? YES. NOW YES. ? YES. SHRIVES. YES. MCDONALD? YES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THAT BRINGS US TO OUR [WORKSHOP] WORKSHOP FOR THE EVENING, UH, ITEM 11 TO RECEIVE A PRESENTATION IN PUBLIC COMMENT AND PROVIDE DIRECTION ON THE PROPOSED DOWNTOWN HOUSING AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY OVERLAY, INCLUDING THE GENERAL PLAN AND ZONING AMENDMENTS. AND, UH, TO HELP US WITH THIS, I'D LIKE TO INVITE, UH, STAFF BRIAN O, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR GREG POWELL, PRINCIPAL PLANNER, ISABELLA CASTANO, HISTORIC PRESERVATION SPECIALIST. AND OLIVIA, OLIVIA IRVIN, OUR PRINCIPAL ENVIRONMENTAL PLANNER TO HELP WITH THIS. UH, I DO THINK BEFORE WE START, WE HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE GREAT WORK FOR THAT YOU'VE ALL DONE IN, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DONE AND THE HEARINGS, THE PLANNING COMMISSIONS, UM, HAS, HAS HAD ON THESE AND THE PUBLIC INPUT OPPORTUNITIES THERE. BUT, UH, DID, DID PARTICULARLY WANT THE COUNCIL TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE ITEM AND, UM, FOR, FOR THE FIRST TIME AND HAVE STAFF BRING US UP TO DATE AND, UH, GIVE THE PUBLIC A A REBOOT SINCE IT'S, UH, BEEN SINCE NOVEMBER A YEAR AGO WHEN, UM, WHEN IT WAS FORWARDED, UH, YOU KNOW, THE MITIGATED NEGATIVE DECK WAS FORWARDED THROUGH TO FROM PLANNING COMMISSION. SO TO WEIGH IN WITH THOUGHTS, UH, THE COUNCIL WEIGH IN WITHOUT, WITHOUT THIS BEING A VOTING UH, DECISION. I THINK THE WORKSHOP IS THE, THE RIGHT FORUM FOR HAVING, UH, THE, THE CONVERSATION WE NEED TO HAVE AT COUNCIL. SO WITH THAT, UM, STAFF WHO'S TAKEN IT AWAY HERE, THANK YOU, MAYOR. MY NAME IS BRIAN O, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT WITH THE CITY, AND I WILL JUST SPEND, UM, JUST A COUPLE MINUTES JUST TO PROVIDE A BRIEF OVERVIEW AS WE TEE UP THE PRESENTATION. UM, AND THEN ALSO WE ARE JOINED BY A NUMBER OF OUR OTHER STAFF MEMBERS, UM, THAT YOU, THAT WERE NOT MENTIONED. UM, SO YOU, YOU'LL GET THE FULL SHOW AND, UM, THE FULL BACKING OF STAFF, UM, AND RESOURCES, UM, AS PART OF THE PRESENTATION AND THE DISCUSSION TO FOLLOW. UM, SO FIRST WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BACKGROUND, UM, WHY WE'RE HERE, HOW WE GOT HERE, UM, WHAT THE OVERLAY IS, WHAT THE OVERLAY IS NOT, UM, TO BRING, UH, COUNCIL AND COMMUNITY UP TO SPEED. UM, AS TO YOUR POINT, [00:50:01] MAYOR, IT'S BEEN, UM, THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF, UM, MEETINGS AND, UM, ITERATIONS AND, UH, IMPROVEMENTS, UM, THAT, UM, WE'RE HERE PRESENTING, UH, TO THE COMMUNITY THIS EVENING. UM, THE STAFF REPORT IDENTIFIES SEVEN KEY ELEMENTS OF THE DRAFT ORDINANCE. SO WE WILL UTILIZE THE WORKSHOP TO WALK THROUGH EACH OF THOSE SEVEN. UM, AND THAT'S ALSO NOT TO SAY IF THERE'S OTHER, UH, COMPONENTS OF THE OVERLAY, UM, THAT COUNSEL HAS QUESTIONS ABOUT OR WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS. UM, AS YOU SAID, MAYOR, THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY. UM, AND THEN FINALLY WE WILL LOOK FOR SOME DIRECTION, UH, FROM COUNSEL ON THOSE, UM, TOPICS. UM, AND THEN WE'LL JUST CLOSE WITH A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, NEXT STEPS, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'RE HEADED, UH, TO HELP, UH, INFORM THE PROCESS. AND WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO GREG. GOOD EVENING. UH, MY NAME IS GREG POWELL AND, UH, I'VE BEEN THE PRIMARY MANAGER OF THIS OVERLAY IN THE EKN HOTEL, UH, APPLICATION SINCE IT CAME IN. UH, BEFORE I GET INTO THE PRESENTATION, I JUST WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE, YOU RECEIVED A LOT OF INFORMATION LAST WEEK AND WE ALWAYS HAVE A BALANCE OF TRYING TO TELL YOU A LOT, BUT NOT OVERWHELM YOU. UH, WE FELT HERE THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION YOU REALLY NEEDED TO KNOW, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR MY 54 PAGE PRESENTATION. I'LL GO THROUGH IT QUICKLY AND IF I MISS SOMETHING, I'M VERY OPEN TO QUESTIONS OR CHALLENGES ABOUT WHAT I SAY TO MAKE SURE I I GET IT RIGHT. AND I'VE GOT ANDREW RUNNING THE ACTUAL PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. LET'S GET GOING. SO, UH, JUST BRIEF OVERVIEW. UM, TONIGHT WE'RE JUST TALK ABOUT THE BACKGROUND. THE BACKGROUND'S IMPORTANT HERE BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE WORK THE CITY'S DONE TO GET TO WHERE WE ARE TONIGHT. UH, LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROJECT. THE PROJECT DESCRIPTION WILL BE ABOUT THE OVERLAY, THE VARIOUS ELEMENTS AND THE OVERLAY AND THE EVOLUTION OF THE OVERLAY. AND THEN AS BRIAN MENTIONED EARLIER, THERE'S SOME WORKSHOP THEMES WE'D LIKE TO DISCUSS. YOU'LL SEE THIS SLIDE A FEW TIMES TONIGHT. WE JUST WANT TO KIND OF REOR OURSELVES AS WE GO THROUGH THAT WE'RE PRESENTING THE COUNCIL, WHAT THE PRESENTATION, THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. THERE'S ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COUNCIL TO TALK ABOUT THINGS THEY'D LIKE TO DO DIFFERENTLY, THINGS THEY'D LIKE TO SEE IN THE OVERLAY. AND THEN AT THE END OF THE MEETING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING FOR YOU TO TELL US WHAT YOU WANT CHANGES, DIRECTION, ET CETERA. SO, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW DID WE GET HERE? UM, HOTEL PROPOSAL WAS SUBMITTED IN APRIL OF 2022. IT EXCEEDED THE HEIGHT LIMIT EXCEEDED FAR. WE PRESENTED THE APPLICANT WITH SOME OPTIONS. THEY CHOSE THE OVERLAY ULTIMATELY. AND THAT'S DETAILED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. UH, ONCE WE LANDED ON THE, THE OVERLAY AS BEING SORT OF THE, THE PROPER TOOL TO USE, UH, HAD A STUDY SESSION LAST JUNE WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN HCPC. HAD A MEETING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN AUGUST, ANOTHER STUDY SESSION WITH THE, UH, HCPC IN OCTOBER. AND THEN ULTIMATELY PRESENTED AT A PUBLIC HEARING, UH, TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN HCPC. UH, LAST NOVEMBER THIS YEAR WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WORKING ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT, WHICH YOU SAW OCTOBER 7TH. UM, THAT PROCESS IS ONGOING. WE EX WE'RE WORKING ON THE FINAL EIR AND WE'LL GET THAT BACK TO YOU GUYS AS SOON AS WE CAN. UH, TONIGHT WE'RE AT THE WORKSHOP. IT'S MY FAVORITE SLIDE. SO JUST A MINUTE AGO, I JUST MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS A, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PUBLIC PROCESS AND I DID A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE PRIMARY ONES. I ALSO HAVE TO MENTION THAT THERE WAS A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING WITH NO, BEFORE YOU GROW, UH, STAFF MET WITH THE PETALUMA DOWNTOWN ASSOCIATION. UM, THIS YEAR THERE'S BEEN MEETINGS FOR QUA. SO THERE WAS A SCOPING MEETING, THERE WAS THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING IN SEPTEMBER. AND THEN IN OCTOBER WE ARE IN FRONT OF YOU TO TALK ABOUT THE DRAFT. EIRI BRING ALL OF THESE UP TO SAY THESE ARE ALL OPPORTUNITIES THAT WHETHER OR NOT THE AGENDA WAS TO TALK ABOUT THE OVERLAY. PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT THE OVERLAY. SO AT THE EIR MEETINGS, THE OVERLAY'S BEEN DISCUSSED. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF FEEDBACK THAT'S, UM, THE STAFF'S RECEIVED AND THE DECISION MAKERS. UM, GREAT. SO THE INTENT OF THE OVERLAY HAS BEEN BOILED DOWN TO THIS SLIDE. UH, FACILITATE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, PROVIDE FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UM, A BIG THING. AND YOU'LL SEE FROM THE PRESENTATION NIGHT, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK ON HOW TO CRAFT AN OVERLAY, DEVELOP DESIGN GUIDELINES OR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND HONOR THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN. SO THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN, UH, BROUGHT INTO THE OVERLAY DOCUMENT TO ADDRESS HISTORIC RESOURCES. ANOTHER KEY THING IS THE DESIGN AND LAND USE CONTROLS TO DO PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED RETAIL AND DESIGN. AND THEN A LOT OF STUDY ON INCORPORATING SITES THAT HAVE THE GREATEST OPPORTUNITY FOR DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY. SO THE NEXT COUPLE THINGS I WANT TO POINT OUT, AND IT'S ALSO IN THE STAFF REPORT, IS THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT THE OVERLAY WILL DO, AND THEN THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT IT WILL NOT DO. [00:55:01] UM, THE OVERLAY WAS PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION LAST NOVEMBER AND IS IN YOUR STAFF REPORT TONIGHT, ESTABLISHED THREE SUB AREAS. THOSE ARE A, B, AND C. UM, ANOTHER KEY THING THAT THE OVERLAY DOES IS TODAY GROUND FLOOR RESIDENTIALS NOT ALLOWED IN DOWNTOWN. THIS WOULD ALLOW IT IN CERTAIN AREAS, AS I MENTIONED A MOMENT AGO. THERE'S ALSO THE PEDESTRIAN AND FACADE ACTIVATION ZONES THAT WERE, UH, PROPOSED IN THE OVERLAY. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE KEY THING IS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PROCESS TO ALLOW BUILDINGS TO BE TALLER THAN 45 FEET WITH AN ULTIMATE CAP OF 75 FEET. UH, ANOTHER COMPONENT IS TO ALLOW A LOCK COVERAGE TO GO FROM 80% TO, UH, 100% WITH THE CONDITION USE PERMIT INCREASE THE FLOOR AREA RATIO FROM 2.5 TO SIX. IT SAYS REPLACE THE, UH, SETBACK STANDARDS IN THE OVERLAY. THERE'S REALLY NO SETBACK STANDARDS THAT APPLY BECAUSE THERE'S NO ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL. BUT HONORING THAT. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THERE'S NO SETBACK STANDARDS PROPOSED IN THE OVERLAY, BUT THERE'S STEPBACK STANDARDS THAT ADDRESS BUILDING HEIGHT OVER A CERTAIN, UM, DIMENSION, EITHER 30 FEET OR 45 FEET TO PUSH THE BUILDING AWAY. SO I MENTIONED EARLIER THINGS IT WOULDN'T DO, UH, IT DOESN'T MANDATE REDEVELOPMENT. APPLICANTS ARE VOLUNTARILY COMING INTO THE CITY. PROPERTY OWNERS IN DOWNTOWN AREN'T OBLIGED TO DO ANYTHING WITH THEIR LAND IF THEY DON'T WANT TO. BUT IF THEY WANT TO, THERE'S A NEW PATHWAY TO MAYBE DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S BEEN ALLOWED SO FAR. ANOTHER THING THAT THE OVERLAY WOULDN'T DO IS, UH, ALLOW HEIGHT WITHOUT A PUBLIC PROCESS. SO IN ADDITION TO ALL THE FINDINGS THAT ARE IN THE OVERLAY, ALL OF THE FINDINGS FOR SPAR, H-A-R-C-V-P THAT ARE IN THE ZONING ARMS TODAY ALSO APPLY. UH, THE OVERLAY DOESN'T APPROVE THE HOTEL. HOTEL STARTS TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS IF THE RULES ARE CHANGED TO ACCOMMODATE IT. AND IT ALSO DOESN'T REQUIRE PERMIT DEMOLITION OF ANY BUILDING. ANOTHER SLIDE. UM, OH, SO THE, THE OVERLAY WOULDN'T MODIFY THE BASE ZONING. SO ALL THE BASE ZONING THAT'S THERE TODAY IS THERE. ALL THE USES IN THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE THERE, THEY'RE EXISTING, THEY'LL BE EXISTING NON-CONFORMING PERHAPS IF THE RULES CHANGE. UM, THE OVERLAY WOULDN'T CHANGE THE CQA THAT APPLIES. EVERYTHING'S STILL SUBJECT TO CA. SO ALL OF THESE PROPOSALS THAT COULD COME IN UNDER THE OVERLAY FOR ADDITIONAL HIDE OR DIFFERENT LAW COVERAGE ARE STILL SUBJECT TO CQA. UM, OVERLAY WOULDN'T CONFLICT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE OR CHANGE PARKING STANDARDS. AND THE KEY THING HERE IS THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT WHY NOW, WHY NOT WAIT FOR THE GENERAL PLAN? AND I, I AM, I FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN CITIES CHANGE THEIR RULES, YOU FEEL LIKE, WELL WHY? WHILE WE'RE ALREADY CHANGING THE RULES, LET'S START CHANGING SOMETHING ELSE. THERE'S A SUNSET CLAUSE IN THE ORDINANCE THAT SAYS IF THE COUNCIL, WHEN THE COUNCIL ADOPTS A NEW GENERAL PLAN, THIS ORDINANCE IS GONE. NOW WITH ASSUMING MAYBE THE GENERAL PLAN WILL HAVE SOME RULES IN IT THAT MAY BE ALIGNED WITH THIS, BUT IT'S A, IN RECOGNITION THAT THERE'S A PLANNING EFFORT GOING FORWARD. THIS IS INTENDED TO SAY, WELL, THERE'S A SUNSET CLAUSE. I KNOW THIS SLIDE'S GOT A LOT OF WORDS. UM, THE INTENTION HERE WITH THE NEXT FEW SLIDES IS TO SAY THAT THERE'S A PROCESS TODAY. THERE'S SITE PLANNING, ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW. THERE'S FINDINGS THAT HAVE TO BE MADE BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO APPROVE A PROJECT. IF A PROJECT'S APPROVED AND THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T LIKE IT OR THE APPLICANT DOESN'T LIKE IT, THEY CAN APPEAL IT. SO EXISTING PROCESS, SITE PLAN, ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW CAN BE APPEALED. IT'S ALSO SUBJECT TO CQA. SAME GOES FOR HS. A RH SPAR. THERE'S A PROCESS. THERE'S FINDINGS THAT MUST BE MADE. CQA APPLIES AND IT'S UH, FULLY APPEALABLE CONDITION USE PERMITS. SAME THING. THERE'S STANDARDS IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE TODAY THAT GOVERN HOW THE PLANNING COMMISSION CONSIDERS A CONDITION USE PERMIT. IT'S ALWAYS A PUBLIC HEARING TO MAKE A DECISION ON A CONDITION USE PERMIT. IT OVERLY ADDS FINDINGS. CQL APPLIES TO CONDITION USE PERMIT REVIEW AND THOSE CAN BE APPEALED TO THE CITY COUNCIL. AND AS I SAID EARLIER, EVERYTHING'S SUBJECT TO CQA. UM, LET'S GET INTO THE EVOLUTION OF THE OVERLAY. UM, THIS SLIDE HERE, JUST WANNA POINT OUT A COUPLE THINGS. IT'S A SUBSET OF DOWNTOWN. THERE'S A 40 BLOCK, EXCUSE ME, A 14 BLOCK, UM, STUDY AREA THAT'S THE SORT OF DARKER BLUE DASH LINE. AND WITHIN THERE IS THE PURPLE, WHICH WAS THE OVERLAY PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION HCPC, LAST JUNE. THAT WAS ABOUT A 10 BLOCK OVERLAY. AFTER THE MEETING IN JUNE, STAFF HEARD FROM THEM AND REVISED THE OVERLAY TO COME IN WITH, UH, THREE SUB AREAS, WHICH TOOK THE LARGER OVERLAY OF 10 BLOCKS AND SHRUNK IT TO REALLY THREE BLOCKS PLUS PORTIONS OF A FEW OTHERS IS KNOWN AS A, B AND C. AND THIS MAP ALSO, JUST TO KIND OF CLARIFY, IT'S SHOWS AREA C AND AREA B AND TWO BLOCKS. THAT'S JUST TO LEAVE THE STREETS SEPARATE. YOU KNOW, THE ZONING WOULDN'T APPLY TO STREETS. UM, SO IT JUST APPLIES TO THE, APPLIES TO THE PRIVATE PROPERTY WITHIN, UM, NEXT SLIDE. THIS WAS PRESENTED TO THE, UH, HCPC LAST OCTOBER. THE BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS SLIDE AND THE PRIOR IS SUBBURY B CHANGED. [01:00:01] AND THAT'S BECAUSE WHEN WE MAPPED IT, WE MAPPED IT BASED ON THE FOOTPRINTS OF THE BUILDINGS. WE'D EXPANDED IT AS SHOWN HERE TO PICK UP THE PARCEL. SO THE WELLS FARGO AND THE CHASE BUILDINGS DOWNTOWN ARE IN B AND IT'S ALL OF THE LAND AREA WITHIN SUBBURY B. THIS SLIDE IN THE NEXT TWO ARE JUST A REAL HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW. THIS IS SUB AREA, A KIND OF CLOSEST TO THE BOTTOM IS THE SEVEN 11 IN THE PARKING LOT AT, UH, PENO BOULEVARD. AND UH, D EXTENDING INTO DOWNTOWN. YOU HAVE THE BANK, THE OLD BANK OF THE WEST SIDE, THE VACANT LOT WHERE THEY, UH, ECAN HOTEL COULD BE REX ACE HARDWARE AT THE OTHER CORNER. UM, TO THE RIGHT IS THE THEATER SQUARE, UH, DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN, UH, AND THEN THE THEATER ITSELF. THIS IS FEBRUARY B AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, UH, THE ORIGINAL EXTENT OF B WAS JUST SORT OF THE, A RECTANGLE AROUND THE BUILDINGS. IT NOW INCLUDES THE PARKING LOT AS YOU CAN SEE TO THE REAR OF THE SITE. UM, SO THERE'S THE CHASE, THE WELLS FARGO KIND OF IN THE FOREGROUND. TO THE RIGHT IS THE AMY'S BUILDING. AND THEN ACROSS THE STREET FROM AREA B IS IS C AND C IS THE LARGEST AREA. UH, IT HAD IN HERE IN THIS VIEW THERE'S 25 PARCELS INCLUDED. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A VACANT LOT IN LIBERTY THAT WAS PROPOSED FOR DEVELOPMENT. THERE'S THAT AT AND T SORT OF SUBSTATION BUILDING. AND THEN THERE'S THE PETALUMA MARKET, PHOENIX THEATER, STOCKHOLM. AND THIS ONE, IS THIS A VIDEO TOO? OH, AND WE ALREADY HAVE THE FLYOVER AND WE CAN PLAY THIS AGAIN IF YOU LIKE. SO THE THEMES WE MENTIONED, AND THIS IS IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, STARTED ON PAGE 15. UM, ONE OF THE KEY THEMES WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IS THE OVERLAY BOUNDARIES, HOW IT EVOLVED, WHAT OPTIONS THERE ARE TO, UH, MAYBE DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. GOT SOME INFORMATION. THE STAFF REPORTS STARTED ON PAGE 19 ABOUT TRANSPORTATION AND PARKING. HISTORIC PRESERVATION STARTS ON PAGE 24 OF YOUR STAFF REPORT. UH, THE REVIEW PROCESS FOR HEIGHT STARTS ON PAGE 29. WE HAVE SOME OBJECTIVE STANDARDS THAT ARE IN YOUR STAFF REPORT AND THEN LAW COVERAGE AND THEN PEDESTRIAN FACADE ACTIVATION ZONES. SO I MENTIONED THIS EARLIER, WE'D BE SEEING THIS A FEW TIMES JUST TO KIND OF REOR OURSELVES THAT WE'RE HERE TO HEAR FROM YOU, HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC CONSIDER ALTERNATIVES, AND THEN LISTEN AT THE END OF THE MEETING TO HEAR WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO DO DIFFERENTLY. SO THIS VIEW IS, AGAIN, WE'RE GOING BACK TO IT'S THE STEADY AREA SHOWN IN THE DASH LINE. THE PURPLE IS THE JUNE OVERLAY. THE NEXT SORT OF REDUCTION IS THE SUB AREA, A, B, AND C. AND THEN OVERLAYING SUB AREA C IS WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED LAST NOVEMBER. SO WHEN THEY REVIEWED THIS, UM, SUB AREA C THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S TOO BIG. IT COVERS PARCELS THAT DON'T NEED TO BE REDEVELOPMENT, OR THEY MAYBE NEED TO BE PROTECTED FROM REDEVELOPMENT. SO THEY RECOMMENDED THAT THE COUNCIL CONSIDER A SMALLER SUBBURY SEA TO SHRINK IT TO, UM, 10 PARCELS. SO DROP 15 PARCELS ALONG KELLER STREET. BOTH SIDES INCLUDE THE PARKING GARAGE, THE PETALUMA MARKET, STOCKHOLM, PHOENIX THEATER, BUT LEAVE, AS YOU CAN SEE, SORT OF THREE SMALLER AREAS WITHIN SUB AREA C. HAS ANY QUESTIONS SO FAR? AM I GOING TOO FAST? SO HOPEFULLY YOU GUYS, OH, GOOD. THIS SLIDE YOU CAN SEE, UM, APOLOGIZE IF ANYBODY PRINTED THIS OUT. THE ONE OF THE COLORS USED TO SHOW WHERE THE PARKING STUDY WAS DONE DOESN'T SHOW UP TO GOOD IN BLACK AND WHITE. THIS IMAGE IS PROVIDED TO SHOW YOU A FEW THINGS. ONE OF IT'S THE OVERVIEW OF DOWNTOWN IN YELLOW IS THE PARKING SORT OF STUDY AREA. THAT'S AN ONGOING STUDY THAT THE COUNCIL WILL BE SEEING EARLY NEXT YEAR. WITHIN IN RED IS THE DOWNTOWN MUNICIPAL PARKING DISTRICT. THAT'S AN AREA IN TOWN THAT NO PARKING IS REQUIRED FOR NEW USES. AND THEN OVERLAYING ON TOP OF THAT IS SUB AREA A, B, AND C. SO I MENTIONED THERE'S A, IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, THERE WAS A, A, A PARKING SURVEY AND STUDY UNDERWAY. UM, AND I REALIZE MY SLIDE DOESN'T TALK ABOUT THAT. SO I'LL, I'LL CHANGE GEARS AND SAY THAT. UH, ONE THING I WANNA SAY IS IN THE SUB AREA, A, B, AND C, ABOUT HALF OF THEM ARE IN THE MUNICIPAL PARKING DISTRICT. ALL OF THEM ARE WITHIN A HALF MILE OF THE SMART STATION. LET'S TAKE A MINUTE TO THINK THERE. COUNCIL MEMBER HEALEY. YEAH. THANK YOU. ON, ON THE PARKING STUDY. I NOTICED IN THE, UM, STAFF REPORT ON PAGE 21, UM, IT TALKS ABOUT THE, UM, THE MAP YOU JUST SHOWED, SHOWED THE YELLOW OUTLINE UHHUH OF THE AREA. BUT AS SOMEONE WHO LIVES, UM, IN A NEIGHBORHOOD ADJOINING DOWNTOWN, JUST LIKE 50 FEET OUTSIDE THE YELLOW AREA, UM, I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UM, IN OUR EXPERIENCE, THE BIGGEST IMPACTS FROM DOWNTOWN PARKING IS FRIDAY AND SATURDAY EVENINGS. MM-HMM. , UH, DINNER TIME [01:05:01] AND ONWARD. AND I SEE THAT ON PAGE 21. YOU, YOU DO CALL OUT FRIDAY, UM, SIX TO 9:00 PM BUT SATURDAY YOU STOPPED LOOKING AT 4:00 PM AND I WAS WONDERING WHY THAT WAS THE CASE. 'CAUSE THAT'S LIKE THE MOST IMPACTFUL TIME OF ALL. OH, THANKS, COUNCILMAN. UM, SO THAT WE ARE AWARE OF, UM, OF THAT GAP. AND SO WE ARE LOOKING AT, UM, FILLING THAT GAP. SO WE'RE GONNA DO THE EVALUATION FOR THAT TIME. UM, SO THAT'LL BE DONE IN TIME FOR, UH, THE WORKSHOP, UM, IN FRONT OF COUNCIL EARLY NEXT YEAR. OKAY. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER. NOW, UM, ON TALKING ABOUT THE, THE PARKING, UM, STUDY THERE WAS FRIDAY SEVEN TO 10, AND THEN THERE WAS FRIDAY THREE TO SIX. WHY DID WE NOT DO, UM, AF BETWEEN 10 AND THREE FOR A PARKING STUDY AT THE KELLER STREET GARAGE? WE DID A SEVEN TO 10. WE A SIX TO NINE. UH, THREE TO SIX, BUT NO, 10 TO THREE THAT MIDDAY. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER. SO, UM, I THINK THIS IS AN, A VERSION OF, UH, WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY JUST ASKED. AND SO WE, UM, RECOGNIZE THERE'S A GAP. AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, DOING THIS STUDY, UM, FOR THAT TIME. AND SO WHEN WE COME BACK EARLY NEXT YEAR, UM, WE'LL HAVE A MORE ROUNDED OUT, UM, UH, DATA SET THAT ADDRESSES ALL THE, THE PEAK HOURS. OKAY. 'CAUSE YOU ALSO HAVE ONLY SATURDAY ONE TO FOUR. AND I HAVE, THAT'S ODD BECAUSE THE, THE WEEKDAY, THE FRIDAY, YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE THOSE LIKE ONE TO ONE TO FOUR. UM, AND I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFICULTY FINDING PARKING FOR, YOU KNOW, WHEN PEOPLE WANNA GO TO LUNCH OR DO AN ERRAND ON THEIR LUNCH HOUR. AND ALSO WITH THE, UM, THE, UM, THEATER DISTRICT, IT'S THE SAME SITUATION. THERE WAS NO 10 TO THREE, UM, PARKING STUDY AND NO SATURDAY MORNING. YES. AND SO THAT IT WAS A, UH, REALLY GOOD DISCUSSION WITH OUR DOWNTOWN MERCHANTS. AND SO THAT WAS, UM, UH, RIGHT OFF THE BAT IDENTIFIED AS, HEY, CITY STAFF, MAYBE YOU SHOULD, UM, TAKE A LOOK. 'CAUSE THAT'S KIND OF WHEN WE'RE EXPERIENCING, UM, UH, SOME OF THE IMPACT. AND SO NOW WE'RE TURNING AROUND, IT'S CURRENTLY ALREADY IN THE WORKS TO BE STUDIED. AND SO WE WILL GET BACK TO COUNCIL WITH A MORE HOLISTIC PICTURE. AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOMETHING THAT'S NOT TIED TO THE WEEKENDS, THAT MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN, UM, PEOPLE ARE SHOPPING FRIDAY THROUGH SUNDAY MIGHT BE VISITORS. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO THE THEATER OR THEY'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE DOING FUN ACTIVITIES DOWNTOWN. BUT MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY ARE WHEN RETAIL IS BEING, YOU KNOW, AT RESTAURANTS. I WAS JUST CONCERNED YEAH. ALL YEAH, NO, AND, AND WE'RE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE GET IT RIGHT. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE DID HAVE OUR MERCHANTS, UM, IN TO GIVE THEM THE PREVIEW OF IT. AND SO IF THERE'S ANY GAPS, UM, WE'LL GO BACK TO THE INFORMATION, UM, THAT WE GLEANED FROM THOSE, UM, SMALL GROUP FOCUS GROUP MEETINGS THAT WE HAD, UH, WITH THE MERCHANTS. AND IF, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S IDENTIFIED, UM, WE CAN MAKE SURE TO INCLUDE THAT AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. AND, AND JUST ONE LAST FOLLOW UP. UM, I, I HOPE YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE PARKING DURING THESE TIMES AT THE GOLDEN EAGLE OR WHATEVER THEY CALL THEMSELVES THESE DAYS, BECAUSE THAT REALLY SERVES AS OVERFLOW PARKING FOR GREATER DOWNTOWN. ALL RIGHT, BACK TO THE PRESENTATION. APPRECIATE THE BREAK TO TAKE A BREATH. UM, SO THE LAST THING I'D LIKE TO SAY ABOUT THIS SLIDE BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT IS, UM, A COUPLE THINGS. I, I THINK THE COUNCIL'S HEARD OF AB 2097 STATE LAW THAT SAYS THAT IF YOU'RE WITHIN A CERTAIN DISTANCE OF, UM, HIGH QUALITY TRANSIT, CITIES CAN'T REQUIRE PARKING, OR CAN'T HAVE A PARKING MINIMUM. AND, UH, MOST OF DOWNTOWN IS WITHIN THAT HALF MILE. AND MOST OF THE USES WITHIN THAT ZONE, THE CITY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO HAVE A MINIMUM PARKING STANDARD. HOWEVER, AB 2097 EXCLUDES HOTELS, MOTELS, BED, AND BREAKFAST INNS AND OTHER SORT OF TRANSIENT LODGING. SO THE ECAN HOTEL IS NOT, UM, THIS PARKING MINIMUM, UH, PROHIBITION BY THE STATE ISN'T AT PLAY FOR THE ECAN HOTEL PROJECT. NEVERTHELESS, UNDER EXISTING RULES IN THE CITY, THE A N HOTEL EXCEEDS THE PARKING THAT'S REQUIRED. AND THAT'S PARTIALLY BECAUSE OF THE DOWNTOWN PARKING DISTRICT I MENTIONED EARLIER THAT SAYS, NO PARKING'S REQUIRED. AND TWO THIRDS OF [01:10:01] THE SITE IS IN THE PARKING DISTRICT. AND THE THIRD THAT'S NOT IS SUBJECT TO PARKING. SO THE 58 SPACES THAT ARE, UH, IN THE GARAGE EXCEED WHAT'S REQUIRED BY ZONING. UM, YOU'VE SEEN THIS IN THE REPORT, JUST GO OVER THIS REAL QUICK. UH, THE PUBLIC PARKING GARAGES AREN'T AS UTILIZED BASED ON THE DATA AND THE SURVEY TIMES THAT THEY'VE, UM, DONE. AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S A REQUEST FOR HAVE ADDITIONAL, UM, SURVEY INFORMATION TO FIND OUT. BUT THE KELLER STREET GARAGE IS NOT BEING FILLED AT, AT THE SURVEY TIMES. AND THE SAME GOES FOR THE THEATER SQUARE GARAGE. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE, UH, PARKING STUDIES LOOKING AT DOING IS, AND THIS IS KIND OF A COMMON THING THAT YOU SEE IN LOT OF CITIES, IS TO PROMOTE THE GARAGES AS A CONVENIENT PARKING OPTION TO HAVE PEOPLE PARK THERE LONGER TERM, LEAVE THE TWO HOUR SPOTS AT THE CURB TO BE FOR MORE FOR SORT OF TURNOVER, HIGH TURNOVER PARKING. UH, THE CITY'S IN IS INVESTIGATING THE ABILITY TO PUT IN SENSORS SO THAT, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY SPACES ARE AVAILABLE REALLY HELPS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU SHOULD PARK IN A GARAGE, IF YOU SEE, OH, THERE'S 500 SPACES FREE. UM, AND THEN THERE'S, I GUESS THERE'S SOME CONCERNS ABOUT SAFETY IN THE GARAGES AND THE CITY STUDYING THAT. AND THAT'LL BE PRESENTED IN THE PARKING REPORT TO YOU NEXT, UH, NEXT OR SPRING. UM, SO ON STREET PARKING, AS IT SAYS HERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S IN HIGH DEMAND THROUGHOUT THE DAY. UH, BUT THAT AS YOU GO FURTHER FROM THE CORE, THE RATE OF, UH, FULL SPACES DROPS ANYWAY. SO SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE CITY'S CONSIDERING IS INCREASING PARKING LIMITS ON CERTAIN STREETS. AND, UM, SO TO, YOU KNOW, TO FREE UP TWO HOURS PARKING IN THE CORE, UH, AND THEN MAYBE REDESIGNING SOME STREETS WITH EXCESS PARKING TO, UH, PUT IN ANGLED PARKING. THIS THING'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME. UM, THERE'S LOTS OF PARKING IN DOWNTOWN, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE SLIDE. THERE'S, UM, UH, PRIVATELY OWNED PARKING LOTS. AND ONE, UH, THE BANK OF THE AMERICA SITE IN DOWNTOWN APPARENTLY HAS STARTED TO ALLOW PEOPLE THAT AREN'T SHOPPING THERE OR VISITING THE BANK TO PARK THERE. AND IT'S A WAY OF SORT OF GETTING A HIGHER USE OUT OF LOTS. INSTEAD OF IT JUST BEING SITTING, UH, OVER THE WEEKENDS OR AT NIGHT VACANT, YOU CAN GET THE SUPPLY USED FOR THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT. AND THAT'S WHAT'S ON THE NEXT SLIDE. UM, I'M GONNA MOVE ON. LET'S GET INTO HISTORIC PRESERVATION. AND I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO, UH, ISABELLE. I THINK SHE'S GOT MIKE . WELL, THANK YOU, GREG. THANK YOU. UM, OKAY. SO INTO THE THEME OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. AND OF COURSE, DURING THE DEVELOPMENT OVER OF THE OVERLAY, THIS HAS BEEN ONE OF THE CONSISTENT THEMES TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION IS, UH, WITHIN, UH, PETALUMA. AND AS WE ALL KNOW, PETALUMA HAS A UNIQUE IDENTITY THAT ENCOMPASSES ITS OWN CULTURAL HISTORY DEVELOPMENT, AND ITS OWN VARIETY OF HISTORIC RESOURCES. AND AS WE'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN AS A NATIONAL REGISTER, ALONG WITH LOCAL RISK LISTINGS FOR INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS, UM, MUCH OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA IS WITHIN THE HISTORIC COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, UH, AS THE NATIONAL REGISTER. AND IT'S, UM, HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT FOR BUILDINGS DATING FROM THE MID 1880S. UM, THE TI THE CITY'S HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT REFLECTS PATTERNS, UH, FROM THE RIVER RAILROAD HIGHWAY AND PRESENT DAY TO, UH, TO, TO SEE HOW IT'S TRANSFORMED FROM THE CITY. UH, IT ALSO CONTAINS, UH, ITS MAJOR, UH, COMMERCIAL RETAIL AND FINANCIAL CENTERS. AND ONTO, UH, THE SECOND SLIDE, UM, AS WE CAN SEE TODAY, UH, AND HERE AS WELL FROM THE LOCAL PRESERVATION, UH, ADVOCACY, AND FROM LOCAL COMMUNITY MEMBERS, UH, WE STILL HAVE THAT, UH, TAPESTRY WITHIN OUR HISTORIC DOWNTOWN. AND IT DOES INCLUDE A RARE SAMPLING OF, OF COMMERCIAL AND ARCHITECTURAL, UM, RANGING IN STYLES FROM THE 1870S TO THE 1950S. UM, AND OF COURSE, THE MOST STRIKING AND DECORATIVE ARCHITECTURAL STYLES ARE A COLLECTION FROM THE 19TH CENTURY, THE CAST IRON STOREFRONTS, AND, UH, OF COURSE, IN A RANGE OF STYLES FROM THE DOWNTOWN AREA. UM, THIS INCLUDES A STREAMLINED ARCHITECTURE THAT'S PROMINENT, UH, FROM THE CHARACTERS BUILDING. AND I DO WANNA HIGHLIGHT SOME INFORMATION FROM THE STAFF REPORT, UH, CONSIDERING, UH, HOW THE NATIONAL PRESERVATION ACT HAS BEEN INCLUDED, UH, AND, UH, PUT WITHIN THE US AND HOW THE AMENDMENTS HAVE OCCURRED, UH, SINCE 1960, SINCE THAT NATIONAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION ACT WAS AMENDED. UH, AND RESTATING FROM THE STAFF REPORT, UH, NATIONAL, STATE, OR LOCAL LISTING DOES NOT MEAN THAT A BUILDING OR DISTRICT IS FROZEN IN TIME, BUT IT CHANGES AND WILL, WILL, UH, SUPPORT THE HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE. AND, UH, TO REITERATE, UH, TO THE COUNCIL AND TO THE PUBLIC, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT A NEW ADDITION TO A [01:15:01] HISTORIC BUILDING SHOULD BE, UM, AFFECTED THE HIS THAT SHOULD PRESERVE THE HISTORIC CHARACTER, THAT THERE'S GROWTH WITH AN OPPORTUNITY, EVEN WITHIN A NATIONAL, UH, REGISTERED DISTRICT. UM, AND AGAIN, WITH THE CONVERSATION OF WHAT HISTORIC PRESERVATION IS, UH, WITH OUR PAST, UH, AS A CONVERSATION, UH, WHICH PROVIDES OPPORTUNITIES, UH, TO, TO UNDERSTAND WHAT HAS OCCURRED AND WHAT WE'D LIKE TO PRESERVE IN THE FUTURE. UM, AND AGAIN, UH, THE DISTRICT DOES RETAIN A HIGH DEGREE OF INTEGRITY, UH, FROM, FROM A SPECIFIC AND SIGNIFICANCE PERIOD THAT MUST BE PRESERVED WITHIN A HISTORIC CHARACTER. UM, AND GOING AND REFERENCING, UH, WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN IN FRONT OF YOU, UM, THROUGH THE OVERLAY, UH, DEVELOPMENT, THERE HAS BEEN TECHNICAL REPORTS, UH, DEVELOPED, UH, TO SEE WHERE THE HISTORIC RESOURCES ARE, WHAT'S, UH, RECOMMENDED, AND HOW TO FURTHER, UH, DEVELOP THE OVERLAY. UH, SO WITHIN THESE TECHNO REPORTS, IT INCLUDES A HISTORIC CULTURAL RESOURCE REPORT, UH, DRAFTED BY DIANA PAINTER, AN ARCHITECTURAL HISTORIAN, UH, THAT HAS DONE, UH, A LOT OF WORK WITHIN THE PETALUMA AREA. UH, FOLLOWING, UH, HER REPORT, THERE WAS ALSO A PEER REVIEW DONE BY FIRST CARBON SOLUTIONS. UM, FOLLOWING THAT, THERE WAS ADDITIONAL HISTORIC RESOURCE REVIEW FOR THE PROPERTIES WITHIN THE OVERLAY FOR SUB AREA A. UH, THESE WERE PROPERTIES THAT WERE FURTHER EVALUATED TO DETERMINE, UM, ELIGIBILITY, UM, AS NON-CONTRIBUTING PROPERTIES TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. UH, AND AS THE EIR HAS BEEN DEVELOPED, THERE IS A, HIS AESTHETICS CHAPTER, UH, INCLUDED THAT, THAT REVIEWS THE HISTORIC RESOURCES AND HOW THE IMPACTS OF THE OVERLAY WOULD OCCUR. UM, WITHIN THE NEXT SLIDE, UH, TALKING ABOUT HOW ELIGIBLE HISTORIC RESOURCES ARE REVIEWED IN THE OVERLAY, UH, THERE IS STILL THAT DISCRETIONARY REVIEW. UH, SO WHEN PROPERTIES OR DEVELOPMENTS ARE BEING REVIEWED THROUGH THE OVERLAY, UH, THE, UM, CQA, THE HISTORIC SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW AND THE DEMOLITION RESOLUTION IS STILL REVIEWED THROUGH THE COMPLIANCE AS, AS CURRENTLY DONE THROUGH PROPERTIES, UM, AT THE MOMENT. UM, AND AS, AS WE'RE ALL VERY FAMILIAR, UH, WHERE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT BOUNDARIES ARE, UH, THIS IMAGE IN FRONT OF YOU HIGHLIGHTS WHERE THE SUB AREAS ARE, UH, AND ADJACENT TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS. UM, IN PARTICULAR, SUB AREA A DOES HIGHLIGHT, UH, TWO PROPER THREE PROPERTIES, UH, WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, WHICH INCLUDES THE OVERLAY, UH, THE HOTEL WITH THE OVERLAY OF SUB AREA A AND, UM, QUICKLY INTO THE NEXT, UM, SLIDE. UH, WITHIN THE OBJECTIVE, UH, STANDARDS OF WITHIN THE OVERLAY, UH, THERE ARE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR PROPERTIES OR DEVELOPMENT WITHIN AN ADJACENT TO HISTORIC, UM, RESOURCES. UH, SO THESE ARE A PART OF THE OVERLAY THAT AND DEVELOPMENT WOULD NEED TO SHOW COMPLIANCE FOR, UM, HAVING, UM, A STEP BACK OR, UH, UM, ADJACENCY TO STRUCTURES AND DATA LINES. AND I'LL, UH, HAVE GREG CONTINUE WITH THE FOLLOWING THEME. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, SAID THIS BEFORE, JUST IT FEELS USEFUL TO GO THROUGH EACH OF THE FINDINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED. UH, THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT HEIGHT. SO THIS SLIDE HERE IS, UH, THE FIRST OF TWO THAT TALK, TALKS ABOUT THE REVIEW CRITERIA THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MUST FOLLOW TO ALLOW ANY BUILDING TO GO ABOVE 45 FEET. AND A COUPLE KEY THINGS TO SAY IS THE FIRST IS, AND THESE ALL FIVE MUST BE MADE, THAT THE HEIGHT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE APPLICABLE PURPOSES OF THE OVERLAY. AND I THINK IN ONE OF YOUR ATTACHMENTS TODAY, YOU'LL HAVE THOSE PURPOSES, UH, PRINTED FOR YOU. UH, THE SECOND FINDING, AND AGAIN, ALL OF THEM ARE REQUIRED THAT THE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT MAKES A POSITIVE CONTRIBUTION TO THE OVERALL CHARACTER OF THE AREA, AND THAT IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH ITS SURROUNDINGS. AND WE'VE DEFINED WHAT WE MEAN ABOUT POSITIVE CONTRIBUTION AND COMPATIBILITY, UH, AND WHAT TOOLS WOULD USE, WHICH IS VISUAL STUDIES, LINE OF SIGHT DRAWINGS, PHOTO SIMULATIONS, 3D MODELING, MODELING OR VIEW SET ANALYSIS. THE THIRD OF THE FIVE REQUIRED FINDINGS FOR ANY BUILDING TO BE ABOVE 45 FEET IS THAT THE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT WOULD NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE EXTERIOR ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTERISTICS OR OTHER FEATURES OF A PROPERTY, NOR ADVERSELY AFFECT THE RELATIONSHIP IN TERMS OF HARMONY WITH THE SURROUNDINGS, INCLUDING NATIVE NEIGHBORING STRUCTURES OR THE CHARACTER OF ANY HISTORICAL ARCHITECTURAL OR AESTHETIC INTEREST OR VALUE OF THE DISTRICT. THIS FINDING WAS MODIFIED LAST NOVEMBER BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION WITH INPUT FROM THE HCPC TO REALLY GET AT KIND OF THE THING WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT IS THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND THE, THE, THE FIT THAT'S [01:20:01] REQUIRED FOR NEW BUILDINGS. FOURTH FINDING, AND AGAIN, ALL FIVE HAVE TO BE MADE. SO THIS IS ANOTHER REQUIRED FINDING. THE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT WILL NOT RESULT IN, IN UNREASONABLE RESTRICTIONS OF LIGHTER AIR TO ADJACENT PROPERTIES OR THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY OR OTHERWISE BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, OR WELFARE. AND THEN THE FIFTH IS THAT, AND THIS IS THE DESIGN FEATURE, IS THAT IT RE EXPRESSES SOME RELATIONSHIP TO THE EXISTING BUILDINGS AROUND IT. AND THE SLIDE THAT, UH, ISABELLE SHOWED EARLIER, TALKED ABOUT THE DATUM LINE OF 30 FEET, OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER CERTAIN BUILDINGS IN DOWNTOWN HAVE SORT OF A HORIZONTAL REFERENCE LINE THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION MUST FOLLOW. SO JUST TO REPEAT ANY CONDITION USE PERMIT THAT'S GRANTED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION MUST MEET ALL FIVE OF THESE FINDINGS AND ALL OF THE EXISTING FINDINGS IN THE CEP SECTION IN THE ZONING YARDS TODAY. SO TO GO ABOVE 60 FEET, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE SLIDE SAYS OVER 45 AND TYPO SHOULD SAY OVER 60 FEET. THERE'S SORT OF A MENU OF OPTIONS HERE. THE FIRST SET OF FI FIVE FINDINGS TO GO OVER 45 FEET, ALL FIVE MUST BE MADE TO GO ABOVE 60 FEET. THE PLAN COMMISSION F MUST FIND TWO OF THE THREE THAT ARE DISPLAYED HERE ON THE SLIDE. ONE OF 'EM IS JUST AN OBJECTIVE THING. IT, IT EXPANDS THE SIDEWALKS, PROVIDES STREET TREES, EOS, PUBLIC PLAZAS, ET CETERA. THE SECOND FINDING IS THAT THE PROJECT WOULD HAVE PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE PRIVATE OPEN SPACE. IT CAN BE AT GRADE OR IT CAN BE SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT IT MUST BE PUBLIC. IT MUST BE AVAILABLE, AND IT MUST BE ALSO AVAILABLE, NOT IN A WAY WHERE I HAVE TO HAVE RENTED A ROOM OR BOUGHT A COFFEE. IT'S PUBLICLY AVAILABLE WITHOUT ANY KIND OF TRADE INVOLVED. AND THEN THE THIRD OF, ONE OF THE SORT OF FIRST MENU OF FINDINGS IS THAT IT DEMONSTRATES EXCEPTIONAL ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN. THE NEXT IS THERE'S THREE FINDINGS TO CHOOSE FROM. THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED THAT THE FINDINGS FOR OVER 60 FEET SHOULD REQUIRE AT LEAST ONE OF THESE BE MET. AND SO, AGAIN, WE'RE GETTING BACK TO THE HISTORICAL OR ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES OF DOWNTOWN, OR IT PROVIDES MORE AFFORDABLE UNITS THAN REQUIRED, OR IT PROVIDES ALL PARKING BELOW GRADE AND THEY, UH, PARKING BELOW GRADE WAS ADDED TO MAXIMIZE THE USE OF THE GROUND FLOOR. AND IF IT'S BELOW GRADE, THEN THE GROUND FLOOR THAT'S ABUTTING THE STREETS CAN HAVE MORE FLOOR AREA FOR ACTIVE USES. AND THE NEXT SLIDE I I PUT IN HERE, THERE'S BEEN QUESTION ABOUT WHAT'S THE EXCEPTIONAL ARCHITECTURE AND STAFF SPENT A LOT OF TIME THINKING ABOUT THIS AND EXCEPTIONAL IN THE, THE DRAFT ORDINANCE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING IS USING INNOVATIVE OR CREATIVE ARCHITECTURAL CONCEPTS, MATERIALS OR BUILDING TECHNIQUES, UH, VISUAL ELEMENTS THAT CONTRIBUTE POSITIVELY TO THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT. YOU KNOW, IT GETS INTO KIND OF WELL PROPORTION FACADES PLEASING MATERIALS, UNIQUE FEATURES, YOU KNOW, UNDERLYING THESE, IT'S HIGH QUALITY. UM, THIRD, UH, SORT OF COMPONENT OF EXCEPTIONAL IS INNOVATIVE BUILDING SYSTEMS OR FORMS, CREATIVE DESIGN, INCREASED BUILDING EFFICIENCY. UH, YOU KNOW, THE ORIGINS OF FINDING C IS 10 OR 12 YEARS AGO, WE WOULD'VE JUST SAID LEAD. IF YOU DO LEAD, WELL, LEAD ISN'T, UH, OUT THERE ANYMORE. 'CAUSE THE BUILDING CODES HAVE CAUGHT UP SO MUCH. WE CAN'T SAY IT'S A LEAD GOLD OR SILVER BUILDING IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR OTHER THINGS THAT ARE ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT'S REQUIRED TODAY. UH, D TALKS ABOUT LOW IMPACT DESIGN, GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE FEATURES, AND THEN AGAIN, HIGH QUALITY BUILDING MATERIALS, LONG-TERM DURABILITY AND VISUAL QUALITY. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT WHEN WE SAY EXCEPTIONAL. SO, THEME FIVE, THIS GETS INTO JUST, IF WE COULD HOLD FOR ONE SECOND. SURE. TAKE A BREATH. LOOK, I, I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION ON THE, UH, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE 60 FOOT COP AND THE 75 FOOT COP IS ALL OF THE 60 REQUIREMENT AUTOMATICALLY REQUIRED IN THE 75. AND THE 75 HAS ADDITIONAL THINGS TO EXCEED 45 FEET. THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS TO MAKE ALL FIVE, RIGHT? AND THEN TO GO OVER 60, IT'S ALL FIVE PLUS A MENU OF THOSE FIVE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT A MOMENT AGO, OR SIX, EXCUSE ME, BUT I JUST WANTED CLARITY ON THAT. MM-HMM, , THAT'S PERFECT. OKAY. SO IT'S KIND OF A BUILDING. THE CITY'S GOT CEP STANDARDS OVERLAY ADS FOR 45 OVER 60. OKAY. SO, SO BEAR WITH ME. HOPEFULLY YOU GUYS CAN TAKE THIS IMAGE IN. I KNOW IT'S, IT'S DOING A LOT IN SMALL SPACE, BUT WHAT THIS IS TRYING TO SHOW IS A REAL WORLD SITUATION ON KELLER STREET. SO IT'S GOT THE RIGHT OF WAY SHOWN HORIZONTALLY. KELLER STREET 65 FEET WIDE SHOWS A POTENTIAL BUILDING TO THE RIGHT OF THE IMAGE. AND THIS IS ILLUSTRATING WHAT HAPPENS WITH THESE STEP BACKS. THE STEP BACKS WERE PUT IN SO THAT YOU COULD MAYBE HAVE A TALLER BUILDING, BUT YOU WOULDN'T PERCEIVE THAT HEIGHT BECAUSE IT'S PUSHED BACK. AND SO WHEN IN THE NEAR, YOU KNOW, VIEWING AREAS OF BUILDINGS, YOU CAN'T SEE THAT EXTRA FLOOR OR THE EXTRA TWO FLOORS 'CAUSE IT JUST, THE LINE OF SIGHT DOESN'T ALLOW YOU TO SEE IT. SO THAT'S WHAT THIS DRAWING'S SHOWING THAT THE OVER 45 FEET, THERE'S A PUSH BACK OF EIGHT FEET FOR [01:25:01] THE FIRST, AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER EIGHT FEET FOR THE NEXT FLOOR. THIS DRAWING DOES A VERSION OF THE STEP BACK REQUIREMENTS THAT GET AT, UH, IF YOU'RE ADJACENT TO A HISTORIC BUILDING, SO OVER 30 FEET, THERE'S A STANDARD THAT YOU MUST PUSH BACK EIGHT FEET. AND HERE IT DOESN'T REALLY SHOW THE LINE OF SIGHT AS MUCH BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A FAR DISTANCE. YOU WOULD NEVER SEE, UH, THE TALL BUILDING FROM KENTUCKY STREET 'CAUSE IT'S JUST, IT'S TOO FAR AWAY. AND THE INTERVENING BUILDINGS WOULD BLOCK YOUR VIEW. NEVERTHELESS, TO PROVIDE THAT SORT OF DEFERENCE TO HISTORIC STRUCTURES, THERE'S A EIGHT FOOT SETBACK AT THE REAR. SO THIS THEME SIX, BUT LAW COVERAGE, UM, EXISTING RULES ALLOW 80%, THE PROPOSAL IS TO ALLOW WITH THE CUP UP TO 100 AND, UM, ANY OF THESE FIVE, AS THE PROPOSAL GOES, CAN BE MADE. THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION COULD APPROVE THE CEP TO GO OVER 80% LAW COVERAGE. AND AS I SAID BEFORE, I'LL SAY IT AGAIN, THIS IS ABOVE AND BEYOND THE PROCESS TODAY. SO IF A BUILDING WANTS TO GO TO A HUNDRED PERCENT NEED TO MAKE ALL THE CEP FINDINGS GO THROUGH THIS BAR PROCESS AND THEN PICK ONE OF THESE FIVE TO HAVE IN THEIR PROJECT, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION FINDS IT ADEQUATE, THEY COULD, THEY COULD APPROVE THE, UH, CEP TO GO ABOVE 80%. SO THESE INCLUDE IMPROVING THE STREETS, SCAPE, WIDENING SIDEWALKS, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS PUT IN TO TALK ABOUT LIKE, IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A BUILDING THAT'S PERHAPS BULKY OR COVERING MORE OF THE LOT, WE WANT TO MAKE THE REMAINDER OF THE LAND AROUND IT BETTER. THE OTHER THING THAT'S KIND OF KEY, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE STAFF REPORT TALKS ABOUT, IS A LOT OF THE BUILDINGS DOWNTOWN TODAY COVER A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE LOT. AND THEY'RE RIGHT AT THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE AS YOU'D WANT BUILDINGS IN DOWNTOWN. USUALLY YOU DON'T WANT THEM SET BACK TOO MUCH. UM, PROVISION THREE IS A ADEQUATE RECYCLING AND SOLID WASTE. YOU MIGHT SAY, WELL, THAT'S REQUIRED ANYWAY. BUT THIS GIVES THE CITY THE CHANCE TO SAY, WELL, IS THERE ENOUGH ROOM FOR THESE, UM, FACILITIES TO BE ON SITE AND NOT CLOG UP THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY? AND SO WE, THROUGH THE REVIEW, IF AN APPLICANT COMES IN AND SAYS, WELL, I'M DOING RECYCLINGS ALL THE WASTE ADEQUATELY, YOU SAY, WELL, LET'S MAKE SURE. AND IT'S DEPENDENT ON THE USES. YOU KNOW, RETAIL HAS A DIFFERENT WASTE STREAM THAN A FOOD SERVICE. UM, THE FOURTH REQUIRED FINDING GETS THAT STREET TREE PLANTINGS. ONE OF THE CONCERNS THERE THAT IT WAS TRYING TO ADDRESS IS IF YOU WERE GOING OUT TO THE PROPERTY LINE, IS THERE GONNA BE ROOM FOR THE CANOPY OF A TREE? SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED. AND THEN FINALLY, OTHER MEASURES TO ENHANCE THE PEDESTRIAN ENVIRONMENT. JUST TO BE CLEAR, THAT'S ONE OF THOSE FIVE OR ALL FIVE ONE. ONE OF THE FIVE. OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S THE PROPOSAL. SO THE NEXT IS THE PEDESTRIAN FACADE ACTIVATION ZONE. AND, UH, THE ORIGIN OF THIS IS REFLECTED IN THE BUILDINGS AND THE USES THAT ARE IN TOWN TODAY. IF YOU WALK ALONG KENTUCKY STREET, THERE'S SHOPS THAT TURN OVER EVERY 16 TO 20 FEET. THEY'RE RIGHT OUT AT THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE. YOU CAN VIEW THE, THE MATERIALS OR THE, THE FOOD SERVICE THAT'S INSIDE BECAUSE THERE WAS LARGE WINDOWS. IT'S VERY INVITING AND THERE'S PARTS OF DOWNTOWN THAT DON'T HAVE THAT FEATURE. AND SO WE WANTED TO PROVIDE SOME, SOME RULES AND SOME GUIDANCE TO SAY, LOOK, WE'VE GOT THIS GREAT AMENITY THAT'S HAPPENING IN DOWNTOWN ON SOME STREETS. WE NEED TO FOSTER THAT ON THE OTHER STREETS. SO I BRING THAT UP TO SAY THAT THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT WE BROUGHT IN FROM SOME OTHER PLANET. THIS IS TO SAY, LOOK, IT'S ALREADY IN TOWN AND WE WANT THESE PEDESTRIAN ACTIV ACTIVITY ZONES TO CONTINUE ALONG AND TO REALLY KIND OF CREATE MORE, UM, CRITICAL MASS. SO ONE OF THE COMPONENTS IS THAT THE FIRST 30 FEET OF ANY BUILDING THAT'S MAPPED, AND THIS IS A SUB AREA SEA SHOWN ON THE SLIDE, THE IDEA IS THAT WITHIN 30 FEET OF A PRIME FRONTAGE WHERE YOU'D WANNA FOSTER PEDESTRIAN USES, YOU WANNA HAVE A, A FIXED SORT OF SHORT LIST OF USES ALLOWED THERE. AND THEN BEYOND THAT 30 FEET, THE STATUS QUO THAT'S IN THE ZONING TODAY CAN, CAN OCCUR. SO WE REALLY WANNA FOCUS ON THE FIRST 30 FEET WITH SPECIFIC USES AND THEN ALLOW MORE FLEXIBILITY BEYOND THAT TO INCLUDE RESIDENTIAL USES. AND THIS IS SOMETHING I MENTIONED EARLIER THAT RESIDENTIAL IS NOT ALLOWED ON THE GROUND FLOOR TODAY. THE OVERLAY IS PROPOSING TO ALLOW IT IN CERTAIN LOCATIONS. I'M GO ON THE NEXT ONE. SO THIS IS THE LIST OF USES. SO THIS IS, UM, A SHORT LIST OF THE USES THAT ARE IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE TODAY. THEY'RE ALL PERMITTED USES. THEY'RE NOT CREATED SPECIALLY FOR THE OVERLAY. AND THEY'RE USES THAT ARE IN TOWN TODAY. AND THEY'RE ALSO USES, WE FIND TO BE MORE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED THAN OTHER USES. AND WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THE OVERLAY ZONING IS MU TWO COVERS THE DOWNTOWN, BUT ALSO GOES PETALUMA BOULEVARD, NORTH PETALUMA BOULEVARD TO THE VETS HALL. AND IT REALLY BRINGS IN USES THAT MAY BE, UM, EFFECTIVE OUTSIDE OF DOWNTOWN, BUT NOT SO EFFECTIVE IN DOWNTOWN WHERE YOU REALLY WANT PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY. SO THIS LIST OF SIX ARE [01:30:01] THE USES WE THINK ARE IMPORTANT. AND THEN WE ALSO WANNA SAY THAT OTHER USES THAT WE HAVEN'T THOUGHT OF, WHILE THE PLANNING DIRECTOR CAN LOOK AT THAT AND KIND OF MAKE A BALANCE OF LIKE, YEAH, THIS ACTUALLY SEEMS TO MEET THE PURPOSES OF THE PEDESTRIAN FACADE ACTIVATION ZONES. IT CAN BE ALLOWED. SO THIS SLIDE SHOWS SUB AREA A, THE HARD RED IS WHAT WAS IN THE OVERLAY. UH, WHEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION LOOKED AT THIS LAST NOVEMBER, THEY SAID, WE REALLY THINK THAT THOSE SIDE STREETS COULD BE GREAT PLACES FOR THAT PEDESTRIAN FACADE ACTIVATION. SO THEY PROPOSED TO THE, THE COUNCIL TO EXTEND THEM TO CONNECT DOWN TOWARDS FOURTH STREET. AND THAT'S SHOWN IN PURPLE. SO THE IDEA HERE IS THE FIRST 30 FEET, IF THE COUNCIL ADOPTED THIS WOULD BE A SHORT LIST OF USES BEYOND THE 30 FEET RESIDENTIAL WOULD BE ALLOWED, WHICH IS UNIQUE TO THE OVERLAY. AND THEN ANY OTHER USE THAT'S IN THE MU TWO ACCOMPANYING. THIS IS ALSO DESIGN STANDARDS. LIKE YOU HAVE TO HAVE STOREFRONT WINDOWS. YOU CAN'T PUT YOUR BLANK SHELVES AGAINST THAT WINDOW THAT WE WANTED. YOU KNOW, SO YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SEE INTO THE SPACE. UM, AND THOSE ARE IN THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU HAVE TODAY. THIS IS AREA A, WE'LL GO TO BB IS JUST AGAIN, KIND OF A MIRRORING. THERE'S PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY ON KENTUCKY. WE WANT THAT TO WRAP AROUND SHOULD THESE SITES EVER REDEVELOP. THIS IS WHERE THE BANKS ARE. AND THEN C AND THIS SLIDE REALLY SHOWS TWO THINGS. ONE IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED EXTENDING THE PEDESTRIAN ZONES ALONG WASHINGTON, AND THEY SH LIMITED THE NUMBER OF PARCELS THEY THOUGHT THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN SUBBURY SEA. AND THOSE ARE SHOWN IN PURPLE. THE WHITE ARE THE ONES THAT WERE IN THE ORIGINAL OVERLAY. SO THIS SLIDE SHOWS TWO THINGS, THE EXTENSIONS OF THE PEDESTRIAN FACADE ACTIVATION ZONES, AND ALSO THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION TO PULL OUT 15 PARCELS ALONG KELLER WAS, EXCUSE ME, WESTERN. AND THEN A LITTLE BIT ON LIBERTY QUESTION, UHHUH . SO, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION HAS HAD A CHANCE TO, UM, ADD AND SUBTRACT TO THE OVERLAY, UM, ADD CRAFT INTO IT. UM, HAVE YOU INCORPORATED THAT, THOSE SUGGESTIONS? UM, I MEAN ARE THEY, ARE THEY, UM, IN THE EIR AS WRITTEN? UM, AND THE THINGS LIKE, WE'RE LOOKING AT PURPLE. ARE YOU LOOKING FOR DIRECTION ON THE PURPLENESS TONIGHT? TWO QUESTIONS. YEAH. I WANNA SAY JUST SOMETHING SIMPLE AND TO SAY YES, THE DRAFT EIR ANALYZED ALL 40 PARCELS THAT WERE IN THE OVERLAY PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION LAST NOVEMBER, NOT SUB AREA C SHRUNK. SO THE REASON THE STAFF DID THAT IS THAT WAS A RECOMMENDATION FROM PLANNING COMMISSION. WE WANTED TO GIVE THE CITY COUNCIL THE FLEXIBILITY TO SAY, WELL THANK YOU PLANNING COMMISSION FOR TAKING OUT 15. MAYBE WE ONLY WANT 12 OUT OR MAYBE WE DON'T WANT ANY OUT. SO THE, THE EIR ANALYZED THE FULL. SO THE, THE AREA C WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, ON, ON THE GRAPHIC IS THIS, IS THE, UH, THE PURPLES, THE REDUCED OR LAVENDERS THE REDUCED AFTER PLANNING IS THE EIR BOTH THE WHITE AND THE PURPLE? YES. OKAY. BOTH THE WHITE AND THE PURPLE. AND THANK YOU. OLIVIA CAN JUMP IN. AND, AND IS THE OVERLAY AN AN ACTUAL ITEM CURRENTLY AND IS IT THE WHITE OR IS IT THE WHITE AND PURPLE OR WHAT, WHAT ARE WE CALLING THE OVERLAY TODAY? IT'S THE WHITE AND THE PURPLE WITH SORT OF THE EVOLUTION SHOWING THAT WE HAD ALL THOSE PURPLE AND THEN PLANNING COMMISSION SAID TAKE OUT SOME, YOU NEED DIRECTION TO EITHER CONCUR WITH PLANNING OR STAY WITH THE FULL. YES, CORRECT. AND I WANTED TO JUST ADD THAT THE EIR THE DRAFT DIR DOES INCLUDE THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED ALTERNATIVE AS THE, AS THE, UH, AS ONE OF THE ALTERNATIVES. SO THAT IS WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF THE EIR. GOOD. OKAY. THANKS. UM, AND ONE QUESTION, ONE MORE QUESTION COUNCIL MEMBER NOW, UM, THANK YOU. JUST TO CLARIFY, SO THE PHOENIX THEATER IS NO LONGER IN THE OVERLAY AND THE PETALUMA MARKET IS NO LONGER IN THE OVERLAY AND THE LITTLE RESTAURANT, IF THE COUNCIL AGREED WITH THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, OKAY. YES. BUT ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE STREET, UM, IT'S THE KELLER STREET, UH, 1 41 61 32, 1 28, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE PARKING GARAGE. IT'S UM, NOT IN THE OVERLAY. WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR TAKING THAT OUT? BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THE PHOENIX BEING HISTORIC AND THAT SIDE OF THE STREET BEING MORE THE HISTORIC, BUT THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET. WHAT WAS THE REASON, DO YOU REMEMBER OR RECALL MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED? AGAIN, THE OVERLAY HASN'T BEEN MODIFIED, IT'S JUST WE'RE BRINGING THE FULL OVERLAY PLUS WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED, SO THE COUNCIL CAN TELL US WHAT THEY WANT, IS THAT [01:35:02] KELLER STREET ON THE PARKING GARAGE SIDE, EXTENDING TO WASHINGTON HAD EXISTING BUSINESSES BUILT OUT FULLY TO THE PROPERTY LINE AND NO VACANCIES, AND THEY FELT LIKE IT WAS DOING OKAY. OKAY, THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. UM, UM, JUST ON THIS SLIDE, I THINK THERE WAS ANOTHER TERM USED FOR PROPERTIES IN ANOTHER SUBGROUP CALLED, UH, OPPORTUNITY, UH, PARCELS THAT WOULD PROVIDE US WITH THE, THE FIRST ONES THAT MIGHT BE CHOSEN THAT WERE VACANT RUNDOWN THAT REALLY NEED THE MOST WORK. UM, SO THERE'S, IS THERE, UM, A SLIDE THAT I'LL ACTUALLY SHOW, UM, THAT THERE'S SPECIFIC, ESPECIALLY IN, IN AREA C, THAT THERE'S THE TRUE OPPORTUNITY PARCELS THAT WOULD BE MAYBE THE FIRST ONES UP? YES. AND I THINK WE HAVE A SLIDE THAT SHOWS IT. AND FOR SOME REASON, WHICH SLIDE? I HAVE EVERYTHING ORGANIZED IN MY BINDER HERE. OH, HERE IT IS. IT'S FIGURE FIVE. UH, NOPE, SORRY. IT'S FIGURE SIX IN THE STAFF REPORT. AND, UH, JUST GIMME A MOMENT AND I'LL TELL YOU WHICH SLIDE IT IS. YEAH, IT'S NOT THAT LONG. OH, YOU KNOW WHAT, IT MAY NOT. YEAH, IT'S NOT IN HERE. SO IF YOU GIVE US A MOMENT, I'M SAYING IT'S A MUCH MORE, IT'S A REDUCED SUBSET THAT IS REALLY THE OPPORTUNITY SITES THAT ARE FOR WHAT WE'D REALLY BE SEEKING FOR IS SOME SORT OF DEVELOPMENT. REDEVELOPMENT, YES. AND EVERYTHING. SO IT'S NOT THIS, NOT ALL THIS WHOLE AREA IS HERE, BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT VERY, UH, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE, WE'RE OVERLAYING THESE, IT'S SHRINKING DOWN, SHRINKING DOWN. BUT EVEN THAT, THE TRUE OPPORTUNITY SITES ARE EVEN SMALLER THAN, THAN WHAT WE'RE EVEN SHOWING AS AS FAR AS A, B AND C. I MEAN, THE ONES THAT WOULD REALLY BE WORKED ON OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS, THE ONES THE SITES WOULD BE, UH, PEOPLE WOULD CONSIDER FIRST DEVELOPERS WOULD COME IN, OH, I'M INTERESTED IN THAT PROPERTY, OR WE'RE DOING SOMETHING THERE BECAUSE IT'S READY IS ALREADY VACANT. YES. AND THE, THE OPPORTUNITY SITES WERE DISCUSSED AND DEPICTED IN THE OVERLAY DOCUMENT, WHICH IS ATTACHMENT ONE TO YOUR STAFF REPORT. AND WE DON'T HAVE AN IMAGE THAT WE CAN THROW UP EASILY, BUT I COULD DESCRIBE OR TELL YOU WHICH PARCELS THEY ARE. THAT'S OKAY. I, I REMEMBER THE SITES AND THERE'S A FEW IN THERE, BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH EXACT PARCELS. BUT IT'S A SMALLER SUBSET IS WHAT I'M SAYING. MM-HMM. . YEAH. AND THAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT AS FAR AS DEVELOPMENT. YEAH. AND THE OVERLAY DOCUMENT SAID SUB AREA BA HUNDRED PERCENT OPPORTUNITY SITE. YES. AND MOST OF SUB AREA A EXCLUDING THE REX HARDWARE AND THEN A SMALL BUILDING ON FOURTH STREET, EXCUSE ME. UH, THIRD FOURTH STREET. YEAH. SO IT WAS RIGHT THE FIRST TIME. AND THEN AT SUBBURY C, IT'S LIBERTY, UH, 1 31 LIBERTY TO WASHINGTON. SO IT'S KIND OF THAT AT T BUILDING, THAT'S NOT AN OPPORTUNITY SITE, BUT EVERYTHING NORTH IS AN OPPORTUNITY SITE. AND THEN ONE PARCEL ON THE CORNER, UM, I DUNNO IF IT'S VACANT, BUT IT'S THE, UH, TWO 15 WASHINGTON IS AN OPPORTUNITY. RIGHT. MOSTLY THE, THE OLD GAS STATION IS BEING USED. YEAH. UM, OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. YEAH. I THINK YOU MAKE A GREAT POINT THAT MAYBE EVERYBODY WILL TOUCH ON IT SOME POINT IN THE EVENING IS THAT, UM, THE POINT OF THE OVERLAY IS TO PROVIDE INCENTIVE SUCH AS THE CITY CAN ORGANIZE ITS RULES INTO INCENTIVE, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT HAS ANY CORRELATION TO SOME PROPERTY OWNERS NEED TO ACTUALLY ACHIEVE SOMETHING. WE CAN ONLY CITY CAN ONLY LEAD THE HORSE TO WATER. IT CAN'T MAKE IT DRINK. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER HEALEY, I HAVE TO FOLLOW THAT . UM, I, I HAVE KIND OF A HIGH LEVEL QUESTION THAT'S BEEN BOTHERING ME. UM, SO HERE WE ARE IN MID-NOVEMBER. UM, YOU'RE GONNA TAKE WHATEVER FEEDBACK THE COUNCIL GIVES YOU AND UM, BRING IT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN PRESUMABLY COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL, UM, FOR A FIRST READING AND THEN A SECOND READING. AND THEN THE ORDINANCE COULD TAKE EFFECT 30 DAYS AFTER THE SECOND READING. AND I'M GUESSING THAT WOULD PROBABLY NOT BE A LOT EARLIER THAN THE BEGINNING OF MARCH. UM, YOU KNOW, UM, AND THEN WE HAVE A GENERAL PLAN THAT'S SCHEDULED TO BE ADOPTED NEXT FALL. SO THIS WHOLE THING IS ONLY GONNA BE EFFECT IN FOR SIX MONTHS AND THEN IT GOES POOF. UM, IT GOES AWAY. UM, THIS SEEMS LIKE AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF EFFORT FOR SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA ONLY BE IN PLACE FOR A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. THAT MIGHT, THAT MIGHT FALL MORE IN THE, UH, UM, AREA OF COMMENT THAN, UH, THAN QUESTION, WHICH I THINK BECAUSE IT'S A WORKSHOP IS PROBABLY APPROPRIATE THAT WE GET SOME OF OUR, UH, CONTEXT ON, ON THE TABLE. WELL, THE QUESTION IS WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? YES. YES. AND, AND, AND MAYBE AS A FOLLOW UP, JUST AS TO WHERE I WAS HEADED WITH THAT, IS THIS INTENDED AS A PREVIEW FOR WHAT WE CAN EXPECT FOR THIS PART OF TOWN AND THE GENERAL PLAN IS THE THOUGHT TO JUST ROLL THIS INTO THE NEW GENERAL PLAN IF, OH, SO THIS IS [01:40:01] GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. UM, THIS IS ANOTHER INPUT INTO THE GENERAL PLAN. UM, SO ONE OF THE THINGS IN THE LAND USE FRAMEWORK, THERE WAS THIS AREA WAS SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED AS AN AREA, THERE WAS THREE DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES IDENTIFIED, ONE OF WHICH WAS TRACKING WITH THE OVERLAY, UM, GENERALLY. UM, SO IT'S ANOTHER INPUT INTO THAT IN TERMS OF WHAT LAND USE DESIGNATION AND, AND WHAT THE GENERAL PLAN WILL LOOK FOR AS PART OF THAT PROCESS. I ALSO WANNA POINT OUT THAT, UM, WE ARE LIKELY LOOKING AT EARLY 2026 FOR ADOPTION OF THE GENERAL PLAN. SO, UM, A LITTLE MORE TIME IN THERE. SO, AND, AND I'LL JUST, JUST, I'M SORRY, IF I COULD JUST ADD BRIEFLY, UM, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION IS, THAT THE TIMING MAY BE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE MORE EXPEDITIOUS THAN WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY'S, UM, AS ASSUMING IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, IT'S, IT MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE THE CASE THAT THIS GOES BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION IF COUNCIL CHANGES IN TERMS OF DIRECTION OR SUBTRACTIVE RATHER THAN ADDITIVE BEC FROM, AS A RESULT OF WHAT GREG HAS REFERRED TO. AND THAT IS, UM, AN EMPHASIS ON MAKING SURE THE ENVIRONMENTAL ANALYSIS IS EXHAUSTIVE OF THE ENTIRE POTENTIAL OVERLAY AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN, UM, PUT FORWARD. AND ALSO SIMILARLY TO MAKE SURE THE FULL POLICY OPTIONS FOR THE COUNCIL HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED BOTH ENVIRONMENTALLY IN TERMS OF LEGISLATIVE OPTIONS. SO, SO WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL KNOW BETTER WHEN WE HEAR FROM THE COUNCIL WHAT ITS DIRECTION IS, WHAT THE TIMING LOOKS LIKE. THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, I GUESS THE COUNCIL COULD CHANGE ITS MIND, BUT WE'VE ALREADY SAID WE'D SEND IT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT THEIR REQUEST. THANKS, MS. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON. YEAH, I JUST WANNA GO OVER WHY, UM, 'CAUSE I'M, SINCE I'M ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT YOU COULD GO 45 FEET. SO THIS AREA WASN'T A REAL PROBLEM, UM, WITH MOST OF THE BUILDINGS ON KELLER STREET. UM, BUT I FEEL, I FELT DIFFERENTLY. I THOUGHT THAT PETALUMA MARKET SHOULD ACTUALLY BE INCLUDED IN THE, UM, THE OVERLAY. UM, BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE AN OPTION TO GO HIGHER IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE HOUSING ABOVE AND, YOU KNOW, RE A STORE BELOW. AND THEN PARKING ALSO KIND OF LIKE WHAT THEY'VE DONE DOWN IN NOVATO AND IN BERKELEY WITH WHOLE FOODS SPECIFICALLY IS WHAT I'VE SEEN. AND SO THERE WAS DISCUSSION AND I LOST THE NUMBER, THE VOTE . AND SO, BUT I, I STILL THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT, UM, SPECIFICALLY THAT CORNER TO LOOK AT, MAYBE TO INCLUDE IN THE, SO I THINK THE, YEAH, UH, THE CONCLUSION TONIGHT'S MEETING WILL BE, UH, PROVIDING, UH, DIRECTION TO STAFF AS TO WHETHER TO STAY WITH THE PLANNING LEVEL OR ADD OR SUBTRACT PIECES. AND WE, I'M GONNA TRY AND KEEP A SCORECARD OF WHAT PEOPLE HAVE SAID ARE THE ADS AND SUBTRACTS THAT WE'LL NEED TO COME BACK AROUND TO COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE. I WASN'T, I WASN'T QUITE DONE. I THINK WE SHOULD ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, TALK ABOUT THE, THE BENEFITS OF MAYBE HIRE ON CERTAIN LOTS AND LEAVE OTHERS OUT. LIKE ON KELLER STREET, ON THE, UH, WITH THE PARKING GARAGE SIDE, IT WOULD SEEM TO BE ALWAYS VERY CONSISTENT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE HEIGHT AND, AND, UH, BUSINESSES THAT WERE FULL. ALSO, COUNCIL MORE BAR. SO I HAVE A NUMBER OF LIKE, REALLY DETAILED QUESTIONS. ARE WE THERE RIGHT NOW OR IS THERE MORE PRESENTATION THAT YOU WANNA MAKE IT THROUGH? 'CAUSE I'VE BEEN KIND OF NOTING SO I CAN GO BACK TO 'EM. BUT I'M JUST WONDERING, I THINK ALL OF US ARE GONNA ASK YOU FOR A PLAY BY PLAY AS WE GO. WE'RE GONNA GO BACK THROUGH THIS. ARE ARE YOU HALFWAY THROUGH THE PRESENTATION? UH, THREE LEFT. THREE LEFT. OKAY, THEN GREAT. I THEN I, I'LL I'LL HOLD OFF THEN. YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. AND ALSO WHILE JUST, UH, QUICKLY WHILE WE WERE ON THE TOPIC THAT WE STARTED OUT ON WITH REGARD TO OPPORTUNITY SITES, EVERYBODY HAS A BRIEFING BOOK AND INCLUDED IN THAT IS THE PARCEL DETAIL REPORT WHERE EACH OF THE SUB AREAS, EACH PARCEL IS ANALYZED. UM, AND AT THE END OF EACH SECTION, THEN YOU'LL SEE, UH, THE ANALYSIS WITH REGARD TO BUILDING HEIGHT OPTIMIZATION, LAND USE, MIX LOT COVERAGE, AND THEN THE TOTAL SCORE THAT WAS DEVELOPED BASED UPON THOSE THREE FACTORS FOR EACH PARCEL IN EACH OF THE SUB AREAS. THIS WAS AN EXHAUSTIVE SET OF REPORTS, UH, AND REALLY GREAT DATA EVERYWHERE. SO WE, BACK TO YOU, GREG. THANK YOU. UH, BEFORE WE LEAVE THIS SLIDE, IT SAYS, GOOD ILLUSTRATION IF THE SUB AREAS, WE DON'T HAVE A SLIDE, OH, EXCUSE ME, THAT'S BURNED INTO [01:45:01] MY MEMORY. SO I THOUGHT IT WAS FOR YOU GUYS TOO. UM, IF THE SUB AREAS SHRINK AS PROPOSED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, SO WOULD SORT OF THE PULLBACK OF WHERE THE PEDESTRIAN FACADE ACTIVATION ZONES COULD BE. IF IT'S NOT IN THE OVERLAY, THEN THE PEDESTRIAN FACADE ACTIVATION WOULDN'T OCCUR AND THE GROUND FLOOR RESIDENTIAL WOULDN'T BE A COMPONENT ADDED TO THE DOWNTOWN 'CAUSE THE OVERLAY WOULD BE REDUCED. I, I ACTUALLY, COULD YOU REPEAT THAT LAST ONE? UM, AND IN A LITTLE CRISPER DICTION, IF YOU MAY. OKAY. UM, IN SUB AREA C THERE'S THE PURPLE PARCELS, THERE'S THE WHITE PARCELS COMBINED. WAS THE OVERLAY PROPOSED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION LAST NOVEMBER? THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED TO THE COUNCIL THAT THE PARCEL SHOWN IN WHITE, IT'S 15 PARCELS BE PULLED OUT OF BURY SEA IF THEY WERE PULLED OUT. SO WOULD ALSO BE THE ABILITY TO BE OVER 45 FEET, OBVIOUSLY. BUT THEN THE PEDESTRIAN FACADE ACTIVATION ZONES WOULDN'T OCCUR ALONG WESTERN, FOR EXAMPLE, OR AT THE CORNERS OF WASHINGTON AND KELLER. AND THEN THE GROUND FLOOR RESIDENTIAL WOULDN'T OCCUR ON THE WHITE PARCELS ALSO AS IT'S CURRENTLY RECOMMENDED BY PLANNING COMMISSION. RIGHT. THE OVERLAY WOULD ONLY APPLY TO THE LAVENDER SECTION AND THE REST, YEAH, THERE'S MORE PLAY. THEY HAVE NO IMPACT AT ALL. YEAH. AND IT'S JUST, THERE'S MORE AT PLAY THAN JUST THE TALL BUILDINGS AND LAW COVERAGE PROVISIONS. THERE'S THE GROUND FLOOR RESIDENTIAL AND THE FACADE PEDESTRIAN ACTIVATION ZONES. AND THAT'S IT FOR THIS SLIDE. UM, AND THE NEXT ONE'S EASY, UM, JUST OVERVIEW OF THE PUBLIC PROCESS. THE FIRST SQUARE AT THE TOP LEFT IS THE PROCESS THAT LED TO THE OVERLAY BEING RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THERE WERE FOUR MEETINGS OR PUBLIC HEARINGS LAST YEAR. THE NEXT RECTANGLE IS THE SE QA PROCESS. THERE'S BEEN THREE PUBLIC MEETINGS. THERE'S A SCOPING MEETING IN MAY TWO MEETINGS THIS FALL AT THE DRAFT E AR NOW WE'RE AT THE WORKSHOP AFTER THIS, YOU KNOW, THE CITY'S WORKING ON THE FINAL EIR. AFTER THIS WE'LL HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM YOU ON WHAT THE OVERLAY SHOULD DO. SO WE'LL BE WORKING ON THAT, PRESENTING IT TO YOU NEXT YEAR. AND THEN PERHAPS THE EKE N HOTEL WILL BE, UM, IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE HCPC AFTER THAT. OKAY. NEXT SLIDE'S EASY. THIS IS JUST A, UH, KIND OF A RECAP OF THE OVERLAY BOUNDARIES OR ONE OF THE THEMES WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT. TRANSPORTATION AND PARKING, HISTORIC PRESERVATION, THE PROCESS TO GO ABOVE 45 FEET, THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT APPLY ONCE YOU GO OVER 45 FEET. THE REVIEW PROCESS FOR LAW COVERAGE TO GO ABOVE 80, AND THEN PEDESTRIAN FACADE ACTIVATION ZONES. AND THEN WE'RE HERE FOR FEEDBACK. WE'RE HERE FOR DIRECTION. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, GREAT REPORT. THANKS. I'M REALLY EXCITED TO FINALLY HAVE THIS IN FRONT OF COUNCIL, UH, WHERE WE CAN ADD OUR, UH, CONTRIBUTION TO IT. AND I THINK NOW IS WHEN WE ASKED FOR THOSE DRILLED DOWN QUESTIONS ON ALL THE, UM, SPOTS. AND I THINK WE LEFT IT WITH COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE TO KICK THIS OFF. YEAH, THANKS. AND, AND MAYBE THERE'S A MOMENT OF, UH, FIGURING OUT HOW WE'RE GONNA WALK THROUGH THIS ON, UH, UM, WHICH DOCUMENT WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, SO WE CAN KEEP EVERYBODY ON THE SAME PAGE. I'LL TRY. OKAY. UM, FIRST IS THE SUNSET, SO IT SAYS IT SUNSETS WITH THE GENERAL PLAN, OR DOES IT SUNSET WITH THE NEW ZONING CODE? YEAH, SO IT'S TERMINATION UPON THE ADOPTION OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE ALIGNED WITH THE FORTHCOMING GENERAL PLAN. OKAY. SO WE'RE PROBABLY TALKING MORE LIKE 20, 27 SOMETIME BEFORE WE'RE GONNA SEE THE UPDATED ZONING CODE. IS THAT WHAT IT END OF 26? IS THAT WE'RE HOPING IT'LL BE BEFORE YOU, BEFORE THE BEFORE. THEN WE ARE GETTING READY TO TRY TO KICK THAT OFF WITH THE, UM, AS WE MOVE INTO THE LAND USE. UM, OKAY. MAP AND TRYING TO GET THAT KICKED OFF SO THAT ADOPTION OF THE UPDATED ZONING CODE COMES CLOSE ON THE HEELS OF THE ADOPTION OF THE GENERAL PLAN. THAT'S OUR INTENT. AWESOME. THANK YOU. AND, AND IF I COULD JUST ADD THE, UM, THE IDEA THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS IS, THESE ARE CONCEPTS ABOUT WHICH THE COUNCIL, UM, IT'S THE COUNCIL'S PREROGATIVE TO GIVE STAFF DIRECTION. THE IDEA WAS TO AVOID A GAP IN THE ZONING REGULATIONS OF THE CITY SINCE THE OVERLAYS ZONING REGULATION AND THE NEW ZONING REGULATIONS TO IMPLEMENT THE NEW GENERAL PLAN WON'T, YOU KNOW, WON'T, WON'T, THEY'LL, THEY'LL SUCCEED THE, THE UPCOMING, UM, ADOPTION OF THE NEW GENERAL PLAN. YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE. THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION. UM, ON THE GOING OVER 60 FEET, THE, IT SAYS EXCEED MINIMUM INCLUSIONARY. [01:50:01] UM, OUR INCLUSIONARY RIGHT NOW IS AT 15%, DEPENDING ON HOW MANY UNITS ARE IN A BUILDING, YOU COULD SEE THAT THEY GET TO 16%. AND WOULD THAT , UH, IF SOMEONE GOT TO 16%, WOULD THAT QUALIFY AS BEING OVER? OR IF WE SET A CERTAIN THRESHOLD FOR INCREASES, YOU KNOW, GOES BEYOND OUR INCLUSIONARY LIMITS BY A CERTAIN AMOUNT, HAVE WE CONSIDERED ANYTHING LIKE THAT? THE OVERLAY ORDINANCE PRESENTED TO PLANNING COMMISSION JUST SAID OVER THE EXISTING 15%, IT IS AN OPTION THAT THE COUNCIL COULD CONSIDER TONIGHT TO SAY 2% OR, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST 20% OR WHATEVER. SO THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S DEFINITELY AN OPTION FOR US TO TRACK WITH YOU. OKAY. THE REASON WHY I ASK IS, 'CAUSE IN THAT SITUATION I JUST LAID OUT, SOMEONE WOULD BE NOT MEETING OUR INCLUSIONARY HOUSING, UH, REQUIREMENTS, OR THEY WOULD BE, AND SO BY BASICALLY JUST MEETING OUR INCLUSIONARY HOUSING REQUIREMENTS, RIGHT? BECAUSE LIKE THERE WOULD BE NO 15% IN THAT SCENARIO. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO LIKE IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE 30 UNITS, 15% OF THAT IS A CERTAIN AMOUNT, UM, IT MAY ACTUALLY COME OUT TO BE 16% 'CAUSE YOU CAN'T HAVE LIKE A PERCENTAGE OF A UNIT, RIGHT? AND SO IF WE DON'T SET A, A CRITERIA, IT COULD BE THAT SOMEONE, EITHER JUST BY MEETING OUR INCLUSIONARY UNITS, THEY GET THAT CRITERIA. OH. SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE PIECE, UM, THAT I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT FOR ACTUALLY SETTING A CRITERIA ABOVE IT, YOU KNOW, EXCEEDS IT BY 20% OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UM, STREET TREES, THE TERM, THERE'S A COUPLE OF TERMS IN THERE THAT I'M JUST NOT FAMILIAR WITH. SO LIKE ADEQUATE, UM, IT USED FOR ADEQUATE SPACE FOR STREET TREE CANOPIES. UM, AND I, I GUESS, I GUESS THAT WOULD DEPEND ON WHAT THE STREET TREES WERE AND THAT WOULD GO TO OUR TREE ORDINANCE AND THAT SORT OF THING. UM, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS IN THERE. LIKE MAYBE IT'S THE, THE GRAB BAG PIECE OF IT. IF LIKE, IF WE'RE DOING THINGS TO OUR DOWNTOWN, OUR HISTORIC DOWNTOWN THAT WE ALL LOVE, UM, LIKE I WANT TO HAVE ADEQUATE SPACE FOR STREET TREES AND I ALSO WANNA IMPROVE THE, UH, THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE. AND SO I'M, MAYBE I'M, I ANSWERED MY FIRST QUESTION, BUT WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO IS, IS LIKE WHERE DID WE COME, LIKE WHAT WAS THE RATIONALE FOR, YOU KNOW, ONE REQUIRED HERE, TWO REQUIRED HERE, THAT SORT OF THING. UH, FIRST I'D LIKE TO, IF YOU BEAR WITH ME, ADDRESS THE ADEQUATE FOR TREES. AND I THINK YOU HIGHLIGHTED THAT NOT ALL, NOT EVERY TREE REQUIRES THE SAME, SAME SPACE FOR THE CANOPY. AND UM, SO THAT'S WHY IT DOES INVOLVE THE WEIGHING WHERE IF A STREET TREE WAS PROPOSED FOR A CERTAIN STREET, WE'D SAY, WELL, THAT NEEDS YOUR BUILDING PUSHED BACK OR THE BAYS THAT PROJECT TO BE MOVED SO THAT THERE IS THAT ROOM. SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO WEIGH BASED ON THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THAT PARTICULAR TREE AND THE, THE ARCHITECTURE. UM, THE, THE NEXT PART OF YOUR QUESTION, I THINK IS HOW DID THE PLANNING COMMISSION LAND ON SORT OF THE MENU TO GO OVER 60 FEET? IS THAT 'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE THERE'S THE, OR IS IT THE GENERAL LET'S STICK WITH TREES. 'CAUSE I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION THEN. OKAY. SO WHO, WHO'S GONNA DETERMINE THE TREES? BECAUSE AN APPLICANT COULD PICK A TREE THAT HAS A REALLY TERRIBLE CANOPY AND IT, BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY FIT WITH THE, UM, THE PROJECT, RIGHT? OR LIKE WHAT THE, WHAT THE URBAN ENVIRONMENT NEEDS IN TERMS OF, IN TERMS OF CANOPY, RIGHT? THEY COULD SAY, YOU KNOW, I WON'T, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF SPACE FOR TREES, SO I'M GONNA GET THIS ONE WITH A SMALL CANOPY. BUT ACTUALLY IN FACT WE, WE WANT TO HAVE A BIGGER CANOPY. SO CURIOUS LIKE WHO SELECTS THE TREES AND DECIDES LIKE THIS TREE IS AT LIKE THIS IS THE RIGHT TREE FOR THE SPACE AND THEREFORE THIS IS ADEQUATE SPACE. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, I WILL TRY TO ANSWER THAT FOR YOU. UM, SO WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF UPDATING OUR TREE ORDINANCE. UM, THERE ARE, UM, SPECIFIC FINDINGS FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO BE MAKING, UH, AS PART OF THAT, UM, ORDINANCE, UM, WHICH IS ONE OF THE STRATEGIES WE LOOKED AT LOOKING AT STREET TREES, LOOKING AT LANDSCAPING OVERALL FOR STREET TREES. WE HAVE AN APPROVED LIST OF STREET TREES THAT TYPICALLY AN APPLICANT WOULD LOOK AT AND SELECT OFF OF THAT. UM, BUT IT BECOMES PART OF THEIR LANDSCAPE PLAN. AND THERE'S DISCUSSION THAT CAN HAPPEN AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS PART OF THAT DISCRETIONARY REVIEW. THE, UM, APPROVED STREET TREE LIST TYPICALLY HAS, UM, SOME QUALIFIERS ABOUT DIFFERENT TREES AND WHY THEY'RE GOOD IN DIFFERENT PLACES, SUCH AS HOW MUCH SPACE DO YOU HAVE OR DO YOU HAVE OVERHEAD LINES OR, YOU KNOW, THOSE KIND OF TREES. SO LOOKING FOR THE RIGHT SPECIES FROM THAT LIST, BUT ALSO TO THE SITE SPECIFICS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, [01:55:01] I'LL GET BACK TO THE SORT OF LARGER QUESTION ABOUT HOW THE, THE THINGS ARE THERE. I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO FAR INTO THAT. UM, IN THE PEDESTRIAN ACTIVATION, IT SAID USES THE TERM MIRROR LAND USE PATTERN ON THE SLIDE AND MIRROR WAS IN QUOTATION MARKS. AND I'M WONDERING WHAT THAT, LIKE WHAT THE, THE TERM MIRROR IS REFERRING TO. UM, CAUGHT YOU CAUGHT MY, CALLED MY ATTENTION TO IT WITH THE, YEAH, WELL I WISH MY EDITOR WOULD'VE CAUGHT THAT. UM, THE INTENTION IS IT, I I COULD HAVE SAID REFLECT. IT'S, IT'S REALLY JUST TO NOT SAY, I DON'T WANNA SAY COPY REPLICATE, BUT IT'S SORT OF RESEMBLE CONTINUE REFLECT THAT ADDRESSES IT. THANK YOU. UM, AND THEN ON THE, THE BOUNDARIES, UM, I ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT CAN WE ADD IN OTHER, OTHER, UM, PARCELS, UM, AND THEN THE, I THINK THE RESPONSE TO THE, THE COUNCIL QUESTION WAS SOMETHING LIKE, IF WE ADD NEW PARCELS IN, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO RECIRCULATE THE EIR BECAUSE IT'S A DIFFERENT, UM, IS THAT IF WE, IF WE SHRUNK THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PARCELS OF THE TOTAL AREA, BUT WE ADDED IN ADDITIONAL PARCELS THAT WE THINK ARE, UM, MAYBE MORE FITTING FOR THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE. IS THAT, WOULD THAT STILL REQUIRE US TO CIRCULATE THE EIR AGAIN? YEAH, IT WOULD BECAUSE THOSE PARCELS WERE NOT, UH, ANALYZED AND WERE NOT CAPTURED, SO THEY WEREN'T PART OF THAT ANALYSIS. SO EVEN IF YOU WERE TO DO A SWAP OUT, THERE WOULD STILL, UM, BE A POTENTIAL TRIGGER FOR THAT RECIRCULATION. OKAY. UM, AND THEN I, I ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT, UH, DENSITY AND HOUSING AND THAT'S OBVIOUSLY SAID THAT WE WOULD TRIGGER, UM, ANOTHER, UH, ROUND OF, OF SQL REVIEW OR ANOTHER ROUND OF THE EIR. UM, CAN WE TALK ABOUT WHAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE LOOKED AT WITH, UM, IF WE WERE TO RECIRCULATE THE EIR WITH, WITH DENSITY BEING ADJUSTED AS AN ALTERNATIVE? OR COULD WE STUDY DENSITY AS AN ALTERNATIVE? RIGHT NOW IN THE EIR THAT WE'RE IN THE, IN THE PROCESS OF, UH, SO WE ARE THROUGH THE DRAFT EIR STAGE THAT HAS BEEN PUBLISHED AND WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS AND WE HAVE CLOSED PUBLIC COMMENTS. SO, UM, WE ARE NOW IN THAT FINAL EIR STAGE AND WHILE WE CAN PROVIDE, UH, CLARIFICATION, WE CAN ADDRESS AND RESPOND TO COMMENTS. IF WE START TO CHANGE THE, UM, PROJECT DESCRIPTION OR THE SCOPE OR THE INTENSITY, ALL OF THOSE CAN POTENTIALLY TRIGGER RECIRCULATION. SO WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT, UH, ADDING DENSITY OR LOOKING AT AN ALTERNATIVE THAT ADDS DENSITY, THAT'S BEYOND THE SCOPE OF THE EIR AND WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I WOULD EXPECT WOULD TRIGGER A RECIRCULATION. OKAY. AND THEN CAN YOU TALK ABOUT MAYBE THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WOULD BE INVOLVED IN RECIRCULATION OF THE EIR? UH, SO WE WOULD FIRST HAVE TO DEFINE WHAT THE CHANGE WAS AND BE REALLY CLEAR ABOUT WHAT THAT IS. SO IN THE EXAMPLE HERE, I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN INCREASE OF DENSITY OF, OF X. UM, AND SO IT WOULD BE, UH, AN ANALYSIS OF REOPENING EVERY, UH, SINGLE ONE OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL TOPICS AND RE-REVIEWING AND RE UM, ANALYZING WHAT THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT INCREASED DENSITY. IT MAY, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE WAS A LOT OF WORK THAT WAS DONE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SCOPE OF THE, UM, OVERLAY FALLS WITHIN THE RANGE OF WHAT'S BEEN ANTICIPATED BY THE GENERAL PLAN. AND SO WE'RE ABLE TO, UH, LEVERAGE SOME OF THE ANALYSIS FROM THAT. AND SO THAT COULD REOPEN IT. DO WE HAVE ADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE? IS THERE ADEQUATE WATER? UM, SO IT COULD BE QUITE SOME TIME FOR US TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. SO I WOULD SAY EASY, YOU KNOW, SIX MONTHS IF YOU, IF I'M TRYING TO PUT A, YOU KNOW, A, A NUMBER ON HOW LONG THAT WOULD TAKE BEFORE WE GOT TO, UH, RECIRCULATION. AND THEN ONCE YOU PUBLISH, THEN WE'RE BACK OPEN 45 DAYS AND THEN WE ARE RECOLLECTING AND RE UM, RECEIVING PUBLIC COMMENTS AND THEN WE'RE RESPONDING TO, UH, THOSE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS AS WELL. OKAY. UM, AND THEN CAN YOU TALK ABOUT, UH, I ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT DESIGN REVIEW AND REINSTITUTING DESIGN REVIEW. UM, SEEMS LIKE, UH, SOMETHING THAT DEFINITELY THE PUBLIC IS SUPPORTS, I CERTAINLY SUPPORT IT. UM, I THINK IT'S ALMOST REQUISITE FOR MY SUPPORT IN THIS INSTANCE BECAUSE, UM, I JUST THINK WE NEED TO HAVE MORE OVERSIGHT OVER THESE PROJECTS. CAN SOMEONE, UH, ELABORATE ON WHAT REINSTITUTING OUR DESIGN REVIEW BOARD WOULD LOOK LIKE? SHALL I START ON THAT OR DO YOU WANNA START? SO, OR JIM, ADD FIRST? NO, GO, GO AHEAD. WE STILL, SO ON THE, ON THE ISSUE OF DESIGN REVIEW BOARD, UM, THAT [02:00:01] TOO WOULD BE, UM, AN EXTENSIVE EFFORT TO, UM, TO THAT, THAT WOULD INVOLVE AMENDING OUR ZONING ORDINANCE, UM, TO, UM, TO ADDRESS, UM, HOW HOW THE SPAR, UH, WORKS, UM, SO THAT THE SPAR REGULATIONS WOULD CHANGE AND THE REFERENCES TO THE SPAR REGULATIONS, UM, INCLUDING THE ADMINISTRATIVE REGULATIONS AND THE APPEAL REGULATIONS COULD ALSO CHANGE. SO PRETTY EXTENSIVE, UM, REVIEW AND CHANGES TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE. IT WOULD ALSO INVOLVE, UM, THE LEGISLATIVE EFFORT OF CREATING THAT NEW BODY, UM, TO, UM, CARRY OUT THAT ROLE. UM, THAT WOULD THEN HAVE TO BE DEFINED IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE. IT WOULD INVOLVE ALLOCATING THE RESOURCES TO SUPPORT THE NEW SUBORDINATE BODY. UM, SO IT WOULD BE SORT OF A, UM, 'CAUSE IT'LL BE, IT WOULD BE CREATING A NEW ROLE FOR A NEW BODY SEPARATE FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, TO, TO CARRY OUT THOSE FUNCTIONS. SO, UM, PRO YOU KNOW, AS A, IT'S SOME MONTHS IT IN INVOLVE SOME MONTHS OF WORK, UM, BECAUSE THERE THERE'D BE THE DRAFTING TIME, UM, THERE WOULD BE THE, UM, THE PROCESS FOR NOTICING OF ZONING, TEXT AMENDMENTS, UM, THAT, THAT WOULD BE A CQA PROCESS TO, UM, AND THEN THE WOULD, THAT WOULD BE A QUE PROCESS. ANYTIME WE DO ZONING AMENDMENTS, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER WHETHER THEY ARE HAVE QUA IMPACTS. AND, AND THAT'S AN, THAT'S AN, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE, UM, TEXT AMENDMENT. BUT WE WOULD STILL, BY BY DEFINITION ZONING AMENDMENTS ARE SEQUEL PROJECTS UNLESS AN EXEMPTION APPLIES. SO WE'D HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT. ALRIGHT. SO SEVERAL MONTHS I WOULD SAY COUNCILMAN, THAT'S, SO THAT'S ONE. UM, THAT IS, UM, ONE OF THE OPTIONS. I THINK IT'S THE MOST, UM, HOLISTIC OPTION THAT, UM, WE DO LOOK, 'CAUSE UM, TO YOUR POINT, WE CURRENTLY DO HAVE A DESIGN REVIEW, UM, COMPONENT TO HOW WE REVIEW OUR SITE PLAN, ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, WHETHER THAT'S WITH PLANNING COMMISSION OR WITH OUR, UM, HCPC COMMITTEE, UM, THERE ARE OTHER WAYS WE COULD POTENTIALLY LOOK AT IT. UM, AND SO, UM, THE COMMENT HAD SPURRED JUST SOME STAFF DISCUSSION AROUND IS THERE SOMETHING, UM, THAT WE, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKEN IT TO, UM, HOW WE CURRENTLY, UM, HAVE A TREE, AN ARBORIST ON STAFF TO REVIEW, UM, TREE PERMITS. UM, AND SO WE COULD POTENTIALLY ADD THAT EXTRA LENS OR EXPERTISE, UM, UH, AND INCORPORATE IT AS, UM, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE REVIEW OF ANY FUTURE, UM, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THAT COMES THROUGH IN THE OVERLAY. UM, AND SO THERE'S, THERE'S A VARIETY OF WAYS TO ADDRESS, AND THEN THERE'S THE OTHER OPTION OF, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A PLANNING COMMISSION THAT, UM, IS SEEDED TO PROVIDE THE ADVISORY COMPONENT, YOU KNOW, FOR, UM, SITE PLAN OR ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW. AND SO DO WE, UM, RECRUIT AND TRY TO GET MORE ARCHITECTS TO GET ON THE ACTUAL PLANNING COMMISSION. UM, UM, AND SO AGAIN, THERE'S A VARIETY WE COULD DO, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN ONE. UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE BIG THREE OPTIONS THAT WE, UM, HAVE COME UP WITH, UM, AT THIS POINT. THAT CONCLUDES MY QUESTIONS. CAN I JUST ASK YOU TO RECAP THE THREE, I'M TRYING TO KEEP SCORE HERE. SURE. OPTION ONE IS, UH, WHAT OUR CITY ATTORNEY IDENTIFIED AS A, A VERY COMPREHENSIVE, HOLISTIC, UH, LOOK AT, UM, UPDATING OUR, UM, RIGHT, OKAY. ZONING CODE. SO ONE TWO WOULD BE TO BRING ON, UM, A HISTORIC PRESERVATION CONSULTANT, UM, TO HELP CONSULT AND PROVIDE THAT THIRD PARTY REVIEW, UH, IF AND WHEN A PROJECT GETS SUBMITTED TO, LET'S SAY, THE HOTEL, UM, APPLICATION. UM, AND SO THAT COULD BE INCORPORATED ADMINISTRATIVELY. UM, AND THEN THREE IS HOW DO WE ACTUALLY ATTRACT THE, UM, DESIGN REVIEW THAT'S MISSING AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, AND HDPC COMMITTEE. GREAT. THANKS. WHO'S UP NEXT? COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY. SO I WANTED TO, UH, FOCUS IN A LITTLE BIT ON, UM, THE TOP OF PAGE 19 ON THE STAFF REPORT. AND IT TALKS ABOUT [02:05:01] SPOT ZONING AS BEING AN OPTION AND, UM, CONSISTENT WITH OUR CONVERSATION ON THIS TOPIC AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING, THIS DOESN'T APPEAR TO RULE OUT SPOT ZONING JUST FOR THE HOTEL PARCEL, IF THAT'S THE WAY THE COUNCIL WANTS TO GO. IS THAT A FAIR READING OF THIS AND, AND TO LEAVE THE REST OF THE OVERLAY FOR THE GENERAL PLAN? I AM SORRY. COUNCIL MEMBER HEAL. I MISSED THE LAST PART OF YOUR QUESTION. I HEARD THE PART ABOUT THE, I HEARD YOU SAY THIS DOESN'T SEEM TO RULE OUT SPOT ZONING. I DIDN'T HEAR THE LAST BIT. YEAH. AND IF THE, IF THE COUNCIL WANTED TO SAY, OKAY, WE'RE JUST GOING TO UP ZONE, UM, OR NARROW THE OVERLAY DOWN TO JUST THE ONE PARCEL OR THREE PARCELS, WHATEVER IT IS FOR THE HOTEL, UM, THREE LEGAL PARCELS, UM, THAT WOULD BE AN OPTION AND WE COULD LEAVE THE REST OF THIS BROADER AREA FOR THE GEN FOR THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE. SO, SO I'D LIKE YOU TO RESPOND TO THAT IS FIRST OF ALL, I THINK, UM, I THINK THERE'S BEEN, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF MISUNDERSTANDING ABOUT THE, THE WAY SPOT ZONING HAS BEEN USED IN DIFFERENT WAYS IN THIS DISCUSSION. AND REALLY, SPOT ZONING IS GENERALLY REFERRED TO DOWN ZONING OF, OF PROPERTY, SOMETIMES JUST A SINGLE PARCEL. UM, AND IT'S USUALLY RAISED BY THE PROPERTY OWNERS, UM, AS PART OF A CLAIM OR CHALLENGE THAT THEIR, UM, INVESTMENT BACKED EXPECTATIONS OF THE USE OF THE PROPERTY, UM, HAVE BEEN FRUSTRATED BY, BY THE LEGISLATIVE ACTIVITY. SO, UM, UM, ZONING CHANGES CAN BE SURGICAL AND LAWFUL AS LONG AS THEY'RE SUPPORTED BY A LEGITIMATE PUBLIC PURPOSE. UM, AND IT'S ALSO TRUE THAT, UM, THE APPROACH STAFF HAS TAKEN TO PROVIDE FOR OVERLAY OPTIONS, UM, FOR ACTIVATING THE DOWNTOWN AND ALSO HAVING A WAY IF THE COUNCIL CHOOSES TO APPROVE THIS APPLICATION, THE EKN APPLICATION, UM, IT, IT'S BEEN A, IT'S BEEN STAFF'S EFFORT TO DO THAT AS COMPREHENSIVELY AS POSSIBLE, UM, BASED ON THE SITE INVENTORY AS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED, SO AS TO ALLOW THIS PROCESS TO PROCEED IN A NON RECURSIVE SORT OF WAY, BUT RATHER AN EXPEDITIOUS WAY TO, TO AT LEAST HAVE THE OPTION OF AVOIDING THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT, LIKE RECIRCULATION OF EIR OF IF, IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO NOT RETURN TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, NOT RETURN TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. UM, AND BUILT INTO THAT RATIONALE, THAT LOGIC IS THE FACT IS, IS THE OPTION THAT THE COUNCIL HAS OF, OF NOT GOING FORWARD WITH ALL THE SUB AREAS OF GOING FORWARD WITH, WITH, WITH REDUCED SUB AREAS SUCH AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED FOR SUBAR C. UM, BUT WHAT I WOULD ALSO NOTE IS, UM, PART OF WHAT'S BEEN CAREFULLY CONSIDERED AS PART OF THE STAFF WORK RELATED TO THE POTENTIAL OVERLAY IS TO BE SURGICAL. UM, AND TO AVOID, I MEAN THE WHOLE, ONE OF THE REASONS FOR CONSIDERING AN OVERLAY, UM, AND NOT JUST CHANGING PERMITTED USES IN MIXED USE ZONES IS BECAUSE THOSE ARE ALL OF THE CITY, NOT JUST IN, IN THE DOWNTOWN. AND THAT MAKES FOR A MORE FOCUSED EXERCISE. UM, AND IT, THE EXTREME EXAMPLE OF OF OF TRYING TO, UM, CHANGE THE ZONING FOR THE SINGLE PARCEL, UM, WHERE THE EKN PROJECT IS PROPOSED TO BE CITED ISN'T REALLY TENABLE BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE TO ACTUALLY CREATE A NEW ZONE THAT DOESN'T NOW EXIST THAT WOULD LARGELY OVERLAP WITH MIXED USE ZONING EXCEPT FOR HAVING THE OVERLAY FEATURES. SOME ARE ALL THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED. SO, UM, BUT LEMME LEMME INTERRUPT THERE. WHY COULDN'T THE COUNCIL SAY WE'RE JUST GONNA NARROW DOWN THE OVERLAY ZONING TO THE EKN PARCELS BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE NOT MESSING WITH MIXED USE AND YOU'RE JUST SAYING, WE'RE JUST GONNA NARROW IT DOWN TO THOSE, THOSE THREE LEGAL PARCELS THAT THE EKN HOTEL WANTS TO BE ON. WHY, WHY IS THAT NOT AN OPTION? WELL, AS I SAID, WE'D HAVE TO CREATE A NEW ZONE TO DO THAT. WELL, WE, WHAT, HOW'S THAT DIFFER FROM WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THIS WHOLE, THIS LARGER THING? IF WE JUST NARROW IT DOWN FURTHER FROM, I YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOSING ME HERE. WELL, UM, SO, SO, SO, SO THE QUESTION IS WHY COULDN'T WE, WHY COULDN'T THE COUNCIL DIRECT, UM, [02:10:01] ONLY APPLYING THE OVERLAY ZONING TO A SINGLE PARCEL OR THREE PARCELS THAT ARE PROPOSED FOR THE PROJECT? RIGHT. WELL, UM, I DON'T KNOW. I, WE, THAT'S AN, THAT'S A, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE ANTICIPATED THAT OPTION. UM, SO ANTICIPATED AS, AS PART OF, AS PART OF, I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, I I THINK TA STAFF ANTICIPATED, FOR EXAMPLE, EVEN IN SUB AREA A OF DOING JUST A BLOCK INSTEAD OF TWO. BUT, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF, IF THE TEAM HAS FURTHER COMMENTS ABOUT WHAT ARE THE IMPLICATIONS OF THAT, UH, BUT WE'VE BEEN TR WHAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO IS, UM, PROVIDE THE COUNCIL OPTIONS FOR ACTIVATING THE DOWNTOWN, AS SOME MEMBERS HAVE INDICATED, A DESIRE TO DO FOR HOUSING AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND TO DO IT CONSISTENT WITH BEST PRACTICES THAT INVOLVE CONTEXTUAL REVIEW OF THE, UM, OF THE POTENTIALLY AFFECTED PARCELS, SUCH AS IS ADDRESSED IN THE SITE INVENTORY. BUT THERE, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD, IT'D BE GREAT. WELL, THE, THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD, AND BRIAN, PLEASE JUMP IN IF, UM, THE BOUNDARIES WERE TAKEN TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR FEEDBACK. SO IF, IF THE FEEDBACK HAD BEEN LOSE SUB AREA C OR LOSE SUB AREA B, OR ONLY LOOK AT SUB AREA A, WE WOULD'VE THEN PROCEEDED THAT WAY. SO THE REASON WE HAVEN'T BROUGHT JUST SUB AREA A EVEN OR IS 'CAUSE THAT HAS NOT BEEN THE FEEDBACK FROM THE ADVISORY BODIES. THAT BEING SAID, IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO PROVIDE DIFFERENT DIRECTION ON WHAT BOUNDARY TO LOOK AT, THAT'S, I DON'T SEE WHY THAT WOULDN'T BE ON THE TABLE. SO JUST TO KIND OF ENCAPSULATE SOME OF THE EARLIER DISCUSSION, WHAT I WAS GETTING WAS THAT IF THE COUNCIL WANTED TO ADD AREAS TO ANY OF THE THREE SUB AREAS THAT WOULD REQUIRE RECIRCULATION AT THIS POINT, BUT IF WE WANNA SHRINK IT DOWN, WOULD THAT REQUIRE RECIRCULATION? I THINK WHEN IT'S SUBTRACT SUBTRACTIVE FROM THE EIR, UM, WE ARE NOT THINKING THERE WOULD BE THE NEED TO RECIRCULATE. WE HADN'T CONTEMPLATED SUBTRACTING DOWN TO THREE PARCELS, SO OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD NEED TO GO, IF THAT ENDED UP BEING THE DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL, WE'D NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHAT, WHAT REVISIONS WOULD NEED TO BE MADE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANKS. I HAVE SOME OTHER THINGS, BUT THEY'RE MORE IN THE NATURE OF COMMENTS, SO I CAN SAVE THEM. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH. WELL, I, I THINK WE'VE PUT THAT ONE ON OUR LIST FOR COMING BACK AROUND TO, FOR, UM, MAKING SURE THAT COUNCIL WEIGHS IN ON TOWARDS THE END. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER GAN, I JUST, I CAN'T FIND IT NOW UNDER PRESSURE, BUT, UH, I THOUGHT THERE WAS, UH, A, A THOUGHT PROCESS IN THE STAFF REPORT WHEN I READ IT THE FIRST TIME TO, UH, THAT, THAT WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO ONE OR TWO OR EVEN THREE PARCELS, THAT THAT, THAT IT KIND OF OPENS YOU UP TO, UH, I DON'T KNOW, A LAWSUIT FOR, FOR SPOT ZONING OR, YOU KNOW, BAD OUTCOMES FOR SPOT GOING OR LOSING THAT ARGUMENT. WHAT, WHAT GENERALLY INVITES THOSE KIND OF LEGAL CHALLENGES IS, IS WHEN THE PROPOSED ZONING IS ONE THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER OPPOSES AND ARGUES IS, IS INTERFERING WITH THEIR PLANS TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY. UM, AS LONG AS THERE'S A PUBLIC PURPOSE FOR, UH, A, UM, A SURGICAL OR LIMITED, UM, ZONING, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ARGUABLY LAWFUL. BUT AS HEATHER SAID, WE'D NEED TO LOOK AT THAT, UM, THAT EXTREME, A SUBTRACTIVE DIRECTIVE CHANGE FOR THE, FROM THE COUNCIL. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S COUNCIL'S DIRECTION, WE'D LOOK AT THAT. CAN I ALSO JUST ADD THAT I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE IN THE EIR THAT IS SUB AREA A ONLY WAS LOOKED AT AS, AS PART OF, AS PART OF THE DRAFT DIR AS ONE OF THE ALTERNATIVES? YEAH. TO CLARIFY, IT WAS ONE OF THE ALTERNATIVES THAT WAS CONSIDERED BUT NOT FURTHER ANALYZED BECAUSE IT DID NOT MEET THE PROJECT OBJECTIVES OF REALIZING THE ECONOMIC, UM, AND HOUSING INCENTIVES THAT ARE, UM, MORE LIKELY TO OCCUR THE LARGER THE OVERLAY IS. SO I THINK THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT POINT. UM, THANK YOU OLIVIA, FOR BRINGING THAT UP. UM, SO, AND COUNCILMAN, UH, , YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD. WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THE PROJECT ITSELF, IT'S THE DOWNTOWN HOUSING AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY OVERLAY. AND SO WHAT WE ARE PRESENTING TO YOU AND WHAT THE PROCESS HAS PRESENTED IS, UM, ALL THE OPTIONS AVAILABLE. AND SO E SO NOW YOU HAVE ON HAND A PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION TO BE A LITTLE MORE SURGICAL WITH THE STAFF PROPOSAL THAT CAME IN NOVEMBER. UM, YOU ALSO HAVE, [02:15:01] AS PART OF YOUR CONSIDERATION, ANYTHING, UH, REDUCTIVE FROM WHAT WE'RE SEEING TONIGHT, UM, WOULD LIKELY BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT ANY RECIRCULATION. UM, AND THEN THE, THE WHY, UM, UH, COUNCILMAN HEALY WAS MENTIONING IS, UM, WHY WE CAN'T, WHY WE MAY NOT WANNA CONSIDER TAKING IT DOWN TO WHAT ESSENTIALLY AMOUNTS TO THE HOTEL PROPOSAL IS IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY ALIGN WITH THE PURPOSE OF THE PROJECT, RIGHT? SO IF THE PROJECT IS TO SPUR HOUSING AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY, UM, JUST LOOKING AT THAT ONE SITE, WHILE IT MAY BE LEGAL TO DO, NOW THAT WE'VE SORT OF GONE THROUGH THIS ITERATIVE PROCESS TO BRING US DOWN, UM, TO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE PREROGATIVE COUNCIL, IF THEY FEEL LIKE IT'S GOING TO MEET THE, UM, PROJECT, UM, OBJECTIVES OF PROVIDING DOWNTOWN HOUSING AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY, THAT OPTION IS AVAILABLE FOR YOU. COUNCILOR POSE AGAIN, I JUST, I I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, ANYONE ELSE IS WAITING. I DID HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION. I ASK IT SOMEBODY PLEASE. UM, I WONDER IF ANYONE HERE CAN, AND, AND, AND MAYBE IT HAS TO BE MR. HEALY, UM, UM, ABOUT THE SIX STORY, UM, BUILDINGS THAT WERE ALLOWED BY THE, BY THE CENTRAL SPECIFIC PLAN THAT IT'S MENTIONED SOMEWHERE IN ALL THIS STUFF. CAN ANYONE TELL ME, I MEAN, I'M JUST WONDERING WHETHER SIMILAR, ANY SIMILAR STUFF WAS DONE AT THAT TIME OR PROPOSED OR WHETHER, UH, IT WAS JUST, UH, YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S A, I'LL JUST JUMP IN. THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. UM, CURRENTLY WITHIN OUR SMART CODE, UM, WE CAN SEE SIX, UM, A LOT OF WHAT YOU'RE SEEING WITHIN THE PROPOSAL, THE A HUNDRED PERCENT, UM, LOT COVERAGE, THE, UM, FAR, THE HEIGHT, UM, THESE ARE ELEMENTS THAT WE SEE NOW AND WE'VE SEEN HISTORICALLY IN OUR DOWNTOWN. UM, AND YES, SOME OF THE SIX STORY HAS NOT BEEN FULLY REALIZED AT THIS POINT. UM, IT IS, UM, A HEIGHT THAT, UM, IS CURRENTLY WITHIN OUR LOCAL REGULATIONS IN DOWNTOWN. OKAY, GREAT. UH, VICE MAYOR. OKAY. IF YOU HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. UM, WHEN WE WERE, WAS AT THE HOUSING SUMMIT, UH, THAT WAS, PUT 'EM ON BY GEN H. UM, SO WE HAD A PANEL OF FOUR, UH, DEVELOPERS, UH, TALK TO THE MAYORS AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. AND SO I ASKED THE QUESTION, UM, WE ARE LOOKING AT FOUR STORY VERSUS SIX STORY HERE IN PETALUMA. UM, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT ALL THAT? AND SO THE, UH, COMMENTS CAME BACK SAYING, OH, OKAY, WELL FOUR STORIES PROBABLY NOT DOABLE ANYMORE ECONOMICALLY FOR THEM, ESPECIALLY WITH INTEREST RATES AND COSTS. UH, BUT SIX, MAYBE FIVE OR SIX MIGHT BE INTERESTED. BUT THEY SAID, UH, THE OTHER THING THAT THEY SEEMED TO AGREE ON WAS, WELL, UH, THE FOLKS THAT WANNA LIVE THERE ARE PROBABLY GOING TO WANT TO HAVE SOME PARKING NOT ON THE STREET, BUT IN THE BUILDING OR ON THE LOT. AND SO, UM, SO THEY THREW BACK AT US, SAID, OH, OKAY, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, UM, MAYBE SOME, UH, AT THE BASE FLOOR, SOME PARKING, LIKE, LIKE HAS A LOT OF PARKING UNDERNEATH AND THEN FOUR OR EVEN FIVE STRUCTURES ABOVE IT THAT ARE WOOD. SO STARTING WITH CEMENT STRUCTURE BELOW AND WOOD ABOVE IT. AND, UM, FROM WHAT I'M READING, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED, GIVEN THE, THE, THE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE NOW IN THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN HERE. 'CAUSE THEY HAVE TO HAVE SO MANY STOREFRONTS. IT HAS TO BE PEDESTRIANS. COULD THERE BE AN ENTRANCE FOR PARKING PUT IN ON AT GROUND LEVEL SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE PARKING SOMEWHERE INSIDE THE BUILDING AND STILL HAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO DO OTHER THINGS? UM, 'CAUSE MY IMPRESSION IS WE WANT TO KEEP THIS, THIS ACTIVATION RE REQUIREMENT SAYS, OH, WE CAN'T HAVE A CAR COMING IN AND OUT LIKE WHAT WE DO AT THE KELLER STREET OR EVEN AT THE THEATER DISTRICT. SO CAN WE HAVE PARKING, UH, IN AND OUT? IF, IF A DEVELOPER SAYS, OH, FOR MARKET VALUE I REALLY NEED TO HAVE PARKING, COULD WE ALLOW IT? OKAY. UM, YES. UM, AN EXAMPLE OF THAT IS THE ECAN HOTEL PROJECT. IT COMPLIES WITH BOTH THE PEDESTRIAN FACADE ACTIVATION AND IT HAS A, A DOORWAY THAT LEADS INTO THE BASEMENT PARKING. SO THERE IS THE DESIRE, IF YOU'RE IN THE FACADE ACTIVATION ZONES, TO HAVE THAT RETAIL OR FOOD SERVICE WITHIN THE FIRST 30 FEET. BUT THEN BEHIND THAT, YOU COULD HAVE PARKING OR, UH, IN TERMS OF THE FRONTAGES ALONG, SAY B STREET, THERE'S A MAXIMUM SORT OF NON-ACTIVE DIMENSION THAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE SO THAT YOU CAN ALLOW [02:20:01] FOR MECHANICAL ROOMS, GARBAGE, YOU KNOW, DOORS FOR TRASH AND RECYCLING AND CAR ACCESS. SO THEY, THEY, THEY CAN COEXIST. OKAY, I'M THINKING ABOUT LIBERTY STREET AND, UH, THE PROPERTY'S A LITTLE BIT SMALLER, AND BY THE TIME YOU PUT IN AN ENTRYWAY FOR CARS AND THEN ALL THE, UH, TRASH REMOVAL, UH, FACILITIES IN THE FRONT, THAT PRETTY MUCH IS GONNA TAKE UP THE WHOLE FRONT. SO, UM, IF WE'RE GONNA REQUIRE IT BE RETAIL OR, OR PEDESTRIAN ASSETS OR WINDOWS, THEN THAT WOULD PRECLUDE PRETTY MUCH ANYBODY PUTTING IN A, A TRASH AND THEN A PARKING AND THEN TRY TO DO SOMETHING ELSE. A THIRD THING ON THAT FRONT FRONTAGE, I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP THAT DEVELOPMENT SITE AND THE OVERLAY WOULD NOT MANDATE GROUND FLOOR RETAIL AS IT DOES TODAY AND WOULD ALLOW GROUND FLOOR RESIDENTIAL THAT, WOULD THAT BE RESIDENTIAL TO HAVE GARBAGE COLLECTION AND, UH, FACILITIES AND, AND PARKING DOOR UP AND DOWN? WOULD THAT BE RESIDENTIAL? NO, I'M, I'M JUST SAYING THAT IN UNDER THE OVERLAY, IF ADOPTED, AS IT'S DRAFTED NOW, THAT PROJECT WOULD BE MODIFIED TO HAVE GROUND FLOOR RESIDENTIAL AND IT WOULDN'T BE BOUND BY HAVING TO BE MIXED USE, WHICH IT IS RIGHT NOW. IT CAN'T HAVE DWELLINGS ON THE GROUND FLOOR, SO IT EITHER IS PARKING OR AN ACCESS. OKAY. SO THIS PROVIDES THAT FLEXIBILITY AND IT WOULDN'T PRECLUDE THAT PROJECT. OKAY. SO THAT, SO COULD BE AS A POSSIBILITY. SO, 'CAUSE I KNOW PARKING IS A REAL CONCERN. YEP. SO THEY COULD FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET PARKING INSIDE THE BUILDINGS. YEAH. OKAY. AND I JUST WANNA HIGHLIGHT THAT PARCEL IS NOT IN THE PROPOSED PEDESTRIAN PASSADE ACTIVATION ZONE, SO IT COULD BE AS IT'S PROPOSED NOW. OKAY, GOOD. UM, THEN, UH, REMEMBERING SOME OF THE, UM, TALKS I'VE HAD IN THE PAST ABOUT SOME OF THE, HIS HISTORY OF THE BUILDINGS AND A LOT OF BUILDINGS HAVE DISAPPEARED EITHER FOR FIRE OR DEMOLITION TO DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH. SO THERE'S SORT OF LIKE THREE QUESTIONS AROUND, UM, PRIOR HISTORY. HAS THERE BEEN, UM, DISCUSSIONS LIKE THIS WHERE WE, WHAT WE CALL HISTORIC BUILDINGS WAS ACTUALLY ARGUED AT THE TIME AS, NO, NO, NO, THAT'S BAD ARCHITECTURE 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T FIT IN WITH A CURRENT ARCHITECTURE 'CAUSE IT'S DIFFERENT. 'CAUSE WE HAVE LIKE AT LEAST SIX DIFFERENT ARCHITECTURAL STYLES DOWNTOWN IS WHAT I'VE HEARD. SO WE DON'T HAVE ONE ARCHITECTURAL SIDE, THEY HAVE SIX IN IT. THERE WAS BIG ARGUMENTS BACK THEN IN SOME OF THOSE BUILDINGS ABOUT WHY THEY WERE EVEN BUILT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T FIT AT THE DOWNTOWN AREA AT THE TIME. IS THAT TRUE? THAT, THAT THAT WAS SOME OF OUR HISTORY? I, I'D LIKE TO TAKE A, A SHOT AT THIS QUESTION. . UM, SO YES, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER DURING THE PRESENTATION, THERE IS AN ARRAY OF ARCHITECTURAL STYLES AND WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANCE PERIOD, UM, THAT, THAT HAS A SELECTION OF ARCHITECTURAL STYLES. UH, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS LIKE AN EVOLUTION, UNDERSTANDING WHAT, UH, THE, THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLES BEGAN WITH WHAT HAS BEEN EVOLVING, UH, FROM WHAT THE, THE CITY WANTED OR NEEDED DURING THAT PERIOD. UH, SO I, I DO WANNA EMPHASIZE THE EVOLUTION THAT, THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IN THE CITY THAT, UH, THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO HAVE. AND, AND IT CONTINUES. IT'S A CON A CONVERSATION WITH WHAT WE WE SEE AND WHAT WE WANNA GROW AS. UM, AND YES, THERE, THERE IS A CHANGE IN ARCHITECTURAL STYLE, UH, BUT SOMEHOW THAT THEY, THEY COMMUNICATE TO EACH OTHER, WHETHER IT'S A DATA LINE OR A USE OF MATERIALS. UM, AND, AND THAT THAT IS THE, THE DESIGN THAT, THAT MAKES IT FEEL HOLISTIC, UH, THE OVERALL APPEARANCE. UM, ONE DOES NOT, UH, SPEAK OVER THE OTHER, BUT IT'S MORE OF A CONVERSATION BETWEEN ONE, UH, AND THE EVOLUTION OF ONE TO THE OTHER. UH, SO IT, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE WANT TO EMPHASIZE WITH HISTORIC PRESERVATION, WHAT'S SUPPORTED THROUGH THE NATIONAL PRESERVATION ACT, UH, HAVING THIS, UH, OPPORTUNITY FOR REHABILITATION, UH, ADAPTATION AND USE. AND, UH, THAT, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE SEE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT WITH THE ARRAYS OF ARCHITECTURAL STYLES AND KIND OF HAVING THAT, THAT HOLISTIC VIEW INTO THE FUTURE. LIKE WHAT, WHAT WE CALL AND WHAT WE WANNA HAVE AS EXCEPTIONAL ARCHITECTURE, UH, NOW THAT WE CAN ALSO HAVE IN OUR PAST. UM, SO, SO HAVING, UH, UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE WANT TO HAVE AND, AND THE COMMUNITY. WELL, VICE MAYOR, I THINK THAT THAT CONVERSATION, THAT DISCUSSION, UM, THAT'S GOING TO, YOU KNOW, WAGE ON, UM, YOU KNOW, AFTER WE'RE GONE , I MEAN, THAT'S JUST, THAT'S PART OF, UM, DESIGN AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IT BEING SUBJECTIVE. AND SO WE ARE, UM, VERY CLOSE, ONE OF OUR BIG WORK PLAN ITEMS COMING OUT OF HCPC, UM, OR THE NEXT, UM, UH, YEAR, UM, IS TO GET OUR CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT STATUS. UM, AND SO IT'S OUR CLG STATUS. UM, AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF ITEMS THAT WE HAVE TO DO, UM, TO, YOU KNOW, TO BASICALLY [02:25:01] OPEN OURSELVES UP FOR, UM, ADDITIONAL HISTORIC RESOURCE GRANTS AND, YOU KNOW, JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, RAISE THE BAR, UM, AND JUST CEMENT OURSELVES AS A, UM, PLACE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. ONE THING THAT'S REALLY CLEAR ABOUT THAT PROCESS AND WHY WE NEED TO DO THE EXTRA STEPS IS BECAUSE CHARACTER CHANGES, DESIGN CHANGES, UM, THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS CHANGE THROUGHOUT THE, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE AGES. UM, ANY NEW ARCHITECTURE THAT GETS INTRODUCED IN 20 24, 20 25, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO REPLICATE, YOU KNOW, THE, WHAT'S WHAT'S BEEN DONE IN THE PAST. AND THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT, UM, STYLES THAT MAKE PETALUMA DOWNTOWN PETALUMA WHAT IT IS. UM, AND I THINK THAT ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTES TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT MAKES IT INTERESTING AND, AND VIBRANT. UM, AND SO WE'RE ON A PATH TO CONTINUE THAT AND TO, UM, STRENGTHEN IT EVEN MORE THROUGH THIS PROCESS. RIGHT. THE THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO GET TO IS THAT IN, IN OUR PAST, SOME OF THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS THAT WERE BUILT WERE CONSIDERED TOO MODERN AT THE TIME. WERE GETTING THE SAME ARGUMENT WE'RE GETTING TODAY. SO THAT THAT IS NOT A, WHAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH TODAY IS NOT NEW TO PEN. IT'S BEEN BEEN GOING ON FOR LIKE, FOR FIVE ITERATIONS OF EVOLUTION OF, OF BUILDINGS. SO THAT'S JUST ONE, ONE POINT I JUST WANTED TO BRING UP. AND HAS THERE BEEN, UM, SOME FIRES AND DEMOLITIONS OF HOW MANY, DO YOU HAVE AN ACCOUNT OF HOW MANY BUILDINGS WERE TALL, UH, IN THE 60 FOOT RANGE PLUS THAT DISAPPEARED, UH, FROM THE DOWNTOWN AREA, EITHER FIRES OR DEMOLITION? DO WE HAVE A A A SENSE OF THAT OUR ACTUAL HISTORY OF, OF TALL BUILDINGS HERE? I, I'D LIKE TO SHARE THAT, UM, FROM THE DOCUMENTATION WE HAVE IS THROUGH THE NATIONAL REGISTER FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. UH, WE DON'T HAVE AN EXTENSIVE SURVEY FROM, UH, WHAT WAS EXISTING, UH, WITHIN THE CITY. UH, IT HAS EVOLVED FOR, FOR VARIOUS REASONS, WHETHER THERE'S, UH, BEEN FIRES OR, UH, UH, FROM THE DEVELOPMENT AT THAT PERIOD OF TIME, UM, OR THE REGULATIONS THAT, UH, THAT SUPPORTED HISTORIC RESOURCES. UM, I, I DO WANNA SHARE THAT WE DO HAVE A DEMOLITION RESOLUTION IN PLACE, UH, TO LOOK AT PROPERTIES WITHIN, UH, THE AGE OF, UH, FROM 1945 AND OVER. UH, SO THAT DOES HELP SUPPORT, UH, FUTURE PROPERTIES FROM BEING DEMOLISHED. SO RETAINING, UH, WHAT WE HAVE, UM, AND, AND THAT THAT ALSO HELPS US UNDERSTAND AND, AND MAINTAIN WHAT WE, WHAT WE WANT, UH, AND WHAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR HISTORIC RESOURCES. OKAY. UM, OKAY. LET'S GO BACK TO A DOCUMENT. THERE WAS, UM, UH, LIKE FIVE CHARACTERISTICS NEEDED FOR 45 FOOT BUILDINGS. AND NUMBER FIVE, UM, WHAT I WAS READING AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT, IT SAID DESIGN EXPRESSES RELATIONSHIP TO ADJACENT BUILDINGS. SO LIKE, UM, AND THERE'S SOME OTHER WORDS IN THE PHRASE THERE, I THINK IT WAS NUMBER FIVE ON THE, ON THE 45 FOOT LIMIT. THERE'RE DEALING WITH THAT. DO YOU WANT, YOU WANT THE QUOTE, UH, UM, THAT THE BUILDING DESIGN EXPRESSES A RELATIONSHIP TO AN EXISTING DATA LINE OR LINES OF THE STREET WALL OR ADJACENT HISTORIC RESOURCE, IF ANY. SO, UM, IF THAT APPLIES TO BOTH 45 FOOT AND 60 FOOT AND 75 FOOT BUILDINGS, IF IT'S FOR ALL OF 'EM, UH, CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW, WHAT THAT MEANS AND, AND, UH, AND HOW THAT IS APPLIED? WELL, MY TAKE ON THIS FINDING IS THAT IT, IF THERE'S A HORIZONTAL, UH, CHARACTERISTIC IN THE BUILDING NEXT DOOR, WE WOULD WANT THE NEW BUILDINGS TO REFLECT THAT, YOU KNOW, SO IF IT'S GOT A CORNICE LINE NEXT DOOR AND A HISTORIC BUILDING, THE NEW BUILDING DOESN'T HAVE TO REPLICATE THE CORNICE, BUT IT WANTS TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT CONTINUES THAT ON SITE. AND I THINK YOU'RE MAYBE SAYING, WELL, IF THERE'S A 75 FOOT TALL BUILDING PROPOSED AND THERE'S NOTHING OVER 30 FEET AROUND IT, THERE'S NO HORIZONTAL LINES TO PICK UP ON. IS THAT PART OF THAT? NO, I'M SAYING THERE'S FACADE AND ROUNDNESS AND ORNAMENTATION AND ALL THE BUILDINGS AROUND IT. MM-HMM. , WE'RE DEALING WITH SQUARES. SO IS THERE, ARE WE FULFILLING THIS FIFTH REQUIREMENT BY HAVING A BUILDING FULL OF SQUARES COMPARED TO ALL THE OTHER BUILDINGS THAT ARE ROUNDISH AND, AND HAVE CURVES, CURVES ALL OVER THE PLACE? SO MAYBE LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE AMY'S BUILDING IN DOWNTOWN THAT DOESN'T HAVE LIKE A TRADITIONAL LINE, BUT IT DOES STILL HAVE A FORM. YOU CAN LOOK AT IT AND SEE THAT THERE'S FLOORS WITHIN, RIGHT? SO I'M TALKING ABOUT HOW, UM, THE FIT KNOW, HOW DO YOU TAKE THIS STATEMENT AND, AND APPLY IT TO, TO A BUILDING IT. EXCUSE ME. SO THIS MAY EXCUSE NOT BE SATISFYING, EXCUSE ME, BUT IT'S A CASE BY CASE THING. THE DESIGN WOULD COME IN, WOULD LOOK AT THE CONTEXT AND SEE IS THERE SOME RELATIONSHIP TO THE BUILDINGS NEXT DOOR? IF [02:30:01] NOT, THEN WE WOULD ADVISE THEM, THEY WOULD NEED TO CHANGE THE DESIGN. I JUST WANT, I JUST WANNA ASK AGAIN WHAT, WHAT THAT ACTUALLY MIGHT MEAN AND HOW THAT MIGHT BE INTERPRETED. UM, AND THE OTHER ONE IS ON THE NEXT SETUP, IT HAS TO HAVE EXCEPTIONAL DESIGN. AND WHEN EXCEPTIONAL DESIGN, ALMOST ALL OF 'EM WERE LISTING VERY MODERN TYPE OF CONCEPTS OF GREEN BUILDING STRUCTURE AND ARCHITECTURE AND THE LIKE. AND THAT SEEMS TO BE FOCUSED ON BEING ABLE TO DO SOMETHING IN A MODERN WAY AND ONLY NEED TO BE ONE OR TWO OF THOSE. OR IT HAS TO BE HOW MANY OF THOSE EXCEPT EXCEPTIONAL QUALITIES AND WAS THAT ACTUALLY DESIGNED AROUND, UH, UH, OR MORE MODERN BUILDING CONCEPTS? Y YOU KNOW, I, WELL I DIDN'T TAKE THIS TO BE DIRECTING TOWARDS THE EXTERIOR DESIGN BEING MODERN, BUT JUST THE INTERIOR WOULD BE, AND AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, YOU KNOW, IF I WROTE THIS 12 OR 15 YEARS AGO, I WOULD'VE SAID, WE'LL JUST DO LEAD GOLD AND THAT WOULD BE THE END OF IT. 'CAUSE THERE'S CRITERION THERE AND YOU GET THIS GREEN THAT YOU WANT, YOU GET THE ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY THAT YOU WANT. SO HERE, I DON'T SEE THAT BEING A GREEN BUILDING WOULD THEN MEAN THE OUTSIDE HAS TO BE NOVEL AND HAVE SOLAR PANELS ON THE SKIN OF THE BUILDING. IT JUST HAS TO BE A SUSTAINABLE DESIGN. AND, YOU KNOW, NOT THE EXCEPTIONAL IS TRYING TO GET AT THIS ISN'T JUST THE STATUS QUO KIND OF THING THAT YOU COULD DO ANYWHERE. IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE'RE GIVING YOU OUR SKY TO PUT THIS BUILDING. WE WANT IT TO BE REALLY NICE. OKAY. SO, BUT THE EXCEPTIONAL DESIGN TENDS LEAD TOWARD LEAD TYPE OF BUILDINGS? IT, IT COULD. OKAY. ANYWAY, UM, LET'S, LET'S MOVE ON. UM, AND THEN JUST GOING BACK TO WHERE, UH, EIR VERSUS SQUA AND, UH, BEING THAT THE EIR, UH, THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING WORKED ON IS, IS DOMINATED BY THE EKN HOTEL AND REQUIREMENTS AND SPECIFICATIONS BECAUSE THERE'S NO NEW PROPOSALS OUTSIDE OF THAT WITHIN THIS, THIS DRAFT EIR. BUT SHOULD A NEW PROPOSAL COME FORTH OF, UH, FIVE OR SIX STORY BUILDING IN, IN AREA B OR C? UM, DOES, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO AN EIR, BUT WE WOULD STILL HAVE TO DO SOME SORT OF QUA ANALYSIS ON THAT NEW PROPOSAL AND STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THE STEPS, BUT IT DIDN'T, WOULD NOT NEED A EIR AS A FIRST STEP. IT COULD GO TO THE NEXT STEP OF CQA. IS THAT TRUE? UH, IT WILL DEPEND ON THE NATURE OF THE APPLICATION AND THE SPECIFICS OF THAT PROPOSAL. SO, UH, I CAN'T SIT HERE TODAY AND SAY THERE WON'T EVER BE A FUTURE EIR. UM, ALL OF OUR, THE FULL DISCRETION REMAINS. SO YOU MUST HAVE USE PERMIT, YOU MUST HAVE DESIGN REVIEW THAT'S DISCRETIONARY. SO THAT TRIGGERS ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW. SO THE WAY WE GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS IS WE DO AN INITIAL STUDY AND AN INITIAL STUDY INDICATES WHETHER THERE'S A POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT IMPACT AND WHETHER IT CAN BE MITIGATED. IF IT'S MITIGATABLE, THEN IT CAN BE COME FORWARD AS AN M AND D, A MITIGATED EGG DECK. AND IF THERE'S A, A POTENTIAL, UH, SIGNIFICANT IMPACT, THEN THAT WOULD BE ELEVATED TO A AN EIR. SO, UM, IT REMAINS TO BE SEEN WHAT LEVEL OF ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR A YET TO BE PROPOSED UNKNOWN APPLICATION. OKAY, GOOD. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLARIFIED ON THAT. OKAY. THOSE ARE THE, THE QUESTIONS I HAD AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON, JUST, UM, TO FOLLOW UP. WHEN DAVID BAKER WAS HERE AND HE WAS AT THE MYSTIC, HE TALKED ABOUT BUILDING A NEW BUILDING IN A, HIS NEXT TO HISTORIC BUILDINGS AND THEY JUST HAD TO PUT LIKE A DIFFERENT FASCIA BOARD ON, YOU KNOW, TO, AND THAT THAT PASSED JUST BY THE FASCIA BOARD THAT THEY PUT ON. SO LIKE, THAT'S WHAT HE TALKED ABOUT. IT WAS A CHANGE . WELL, THERE WAS, THERE WAS A CHANGE, BUT IT WAS JUST A FASCIA BOARD AND THAT WAS IT. UM, THANKS. AND, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER NOW, UM, THANK YOU. UM, BACK TO THE OVERLAY SUB AREA C UM, A PROJECT APPLICANT AT 1 31, UM, LIBERTY DOESN'T REQUIRE GOING OVER THREE STORIES, WHICH WOULD ONLY GET THEM TO LIKE 45 FEET. UM, THE OVERLAY, HOW, HOW ARE THEY BENEFITING BY THE OVERLAY? WELL, THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY, UNLESS THEY CHOSE TO APPLY UNDER THE OVERLAY RULES TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THEY HAVE AN ENTITLEMENT TO DO. SO THEY HAVE AN APPROVED ENTITLEMENT THAT THEY NEED TO CONTINUE TO KEEP ALIVE, WHICH THE ZONING NOR ALLOWS. AND THEN YOU COULD, I GUESS THEY COULD PULL A BILLING PERMIT ANY DAY TO DO WHAT THEY'VE GOT APPROVAL FOR. SO IF THEY KEEP WHAT THEY'VE GOT, THEY DON'T NEED THE OVERLAY. OKAY. BUT THE OVERLAY GIVES THEM FLEXIBILITY TO MAYBE DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. OKAY. UM, THAT TALLEST BUILDING IN DOWNTOWN RIGHT NOW I'M LOOKING AT THE STAFF REPORT IS 63 FEET, WHICH IS THE MUTUAL RELIEF BUILDING ON WESTERN AVENUE. UM, SO THE OVERLAY, BASICALLY WE'RE LETTING THE HEIGHT GO TO WHAT, [02:35:01] WHAT HEIGHT ARE WE TALKING? WELL, SO WE WOULDN'T BE LETTING THE HEIGHT GO TO, TO ANY HEIGHT OVER 45 FEET. WHAT WE WOULD DO IS CREATE A PROCESS WHERE, REVIEW A DISCRETIONARY PROCESS WHERE THE REVIEW AUTHORITIES COULD MAKE A DECISION TO APPROVE A PROJECT THAT MIGHT REQUEST A HEIGHT OVER 45 FEET UP TO 75 FEET. SO YOUR QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE MUTUAL RELIEF BUILDING THAT'S CURRENTLY AT APPROXIMATELY 63 FEET. RIGHT? THE OVERLAY WOULD ALLOW UP TO 75 FEET, BUT ONLY SUBJECT TO DISCRETIONARY REVIEW. OKAY, SO IT'S ON A PER PROJECT. EXACTLY. OKAY. EXACTLY. UM, BECAUSE I'M NOT COMFORTABLE ADDING ANYTHING HIGHER THAN 63 65 FEET BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THE DOWNTOWN LANDSCAPING RIGHT NOW, AND THAT'S WHAT IT IS. I DO AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE ABOUT THE HISTORIC DESIGN AND REVIEW. UM, WE REALLY NEED TO BRING THAT IN AS PART OF THE OVERLAY IF WE HAVE AN OVERLAY APPROVAL. YEAH. SO WE'LL HAVE THAT AS KIND OF OUR DIRECTIONAL STRAW HOLD TOWARDS THE END. OKAY. SO I, I SUPPORT THAT. UM, ON THE PERSONAL SERVICES THAT YOU WERE MENTIONING, AND THIS SLIDE WENT BY TOO FAST. UM, I DID NOT SEE THINGS LIKE HAIRDRESSERS, NAIL SALONS, THOSE SPA TYPE BUSINESSES. THOSE ARE PERSONAL SERVICES. OKAY. THOSE ARE PERSONAL SERVICES. MM-HMM, . OKAY. AND HAVE WE RECEIVED APPROVAL IN THOSE OVERLAY AREAS FROM THE PROPERTY OWNERS? HAVE WE SPOKEN TO THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS AND GIVEN THEM THE, THIS IS A POSSIBILITY WITH THE OVERLAY TO YOUR PROPERTY? WELL, WE, WE'VE PUBLICLY NOTICED ALL OF THE PUBLIC MEETINGS AND PUBLIC HEARINGS, AND SO EVERYONE WITHIN THE OVERLAY HAS RECEIVED A MAILED NOTICE, STAFF HAS BEEN AVAILABLE, UM, SHOULD THEY CHOOSE TO TALK WITH US. AND WE KNOW THAT SEVERAL OF THEM HAVE SPOKEN AT, AT THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND PROVIDED COMMENT. I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT ABOUT THE OVERLAY IS IT DOESN'T REDUCE ANYTHING. IT, IT DOESN'T REQUIRE A PROPERTY OWNER TO TAKE ANY ACTION. SO THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT THAT A PROPERTY OWNER HAS TO DEVELOP THEIR PROPERTY. SECOND, IT DOESN'T TAKE AWAY ANY EXISTING RIGHTS THAT A PROPERTY OWNER MIGHT HAVE. SO FROM ONE ONE PERSPECTIVE, THE, THERE'S MORE BEING OFFERED TO PROPERTY OWNERS RATHER THAN LESS. OKAY, THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL. COUNCIL MEMBER. I THINK 1 31 LIBERTY IS A, A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHAT, SO YES, THERE'S AN ENTITLED PROJECT. YES, THE PARCEL IS LISTED FOR SALE AND HAS BEEN LISTED FOR SALE FOR SOME TIME. UM, AND ONE OF THE DRIVING FORCES OF THAT IS ECONOMIC. SO WHAT WAS APPROVED MAY NOT ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO GET FULLY REALIZED. AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, UM, TO OUR PLANNING MANAGER'S, UM, REMARKS THAT HAS REACHED OUT IN SUPPORT BECAUSE THEY'RE SEEING THE VALUE, UM, BECAUSE IT DOES ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY AND DEVELOPMENT, UM, UM, INTENSITY THAT THEY COULD POTENTIALLY, UM, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK ESSENTIALLY AND, AND RESUBMIT SOMETHING. BUT THAT'S AN OPTION FOR DOWN THE LINE. RIGHT. THANK YOU COUNCIL THOMPSON. QUICKLY, I I DO KNOW ON 1 31 THAT IT JUST DOESN'T PENCIL OUT FOR THE DESIGN AND YOU KNOW, FOR THE HEIGHT IT DOESN'T WORK FOR THEM AT ALL. SO THAT PROPERTY'S BEEN SITTING THERE FOR ENTITLED FOR WHAT, FIVE, SIX YEARS. AND THE OTHER THING IS, I JUST WANNA BRING UP THE PHOENIX IS 73 FEET HIGH. SO LET'S NOT FORGET HEIGHT IS NOT NEW TO DOWNTOWN PETALUMA. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M WONDERING IF THE HOUSE ON EIGHTH OF D STREET COULD EVEN BE BUILT TODAY. YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE HAVING SO MANY RESTRICTIONS, THAT'S A VERY TALL HOUSE WITH, YOU KNOW, BIG STEEP ROOF. AND SO, UM, THE OTHER THING IS, UM, HOW HIGH IS THE ADOBE RRY? I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT IT IS ONLY 12 FEET LOWER THAN WHAT EKN WOULD BE AS AN EXAMPLE. SO DO WE KNOW THE EXACT HEIGHT OF THAT? IT'S PRETTY TALL. I I CAN LOOK IT UP AND GET BACK TO YOU. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THANKS. OKAY. AND, AND A VARIETY OF QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, IN THE CRITERIA TO MEET A CERTAIN HEIGHT OR WHATEVER, UH, THE DEFINITIONS, SOME OF IT'S A LITTLE FUZZY. SO THE DIRECT DIRECT, MY COMMENT BACK WOULD BE, UM, A LITTLE LESS FUZZY ON SOME OF THOSE THINGS. BUT, UM, PARTICULARLY ON THE 75 FOOT, UH, SLIDE AND THERE WERE [02:40:02] EIGHT OR 10 DIFFERENT ACTIONS POSSIBLE INCLUDING THE EXCEPTIONAL ARCHITECTURE EFFORT. UM, WHAT WAS PLANNING'S THOUGHT? WHY ONLY TWO OF THREE OR ONE OF THE SECOND FIVE? WHAT, WHAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHY DID THEY NOT HIT? I MEAN, THOSE WERE ALL GREAT IDEAS. WHY DID THEY PULL THAT BACK? UM, THE FINDINGS TO GO OVER 40 FOOT FOOT AS WE TALKED EARLIER, ALL FIVE MUST BE MADE ABOVE 60. IT'S A MENU TO PROVIDE FLEXIBILITY. 'CAUSE THERE'S MANY WAYS THAT MAYBE THE CITY MIGHT WANNA ALLOW A BUILDING TO BE TALLER. UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION CLARIFIED, AND ACTUALLY I THINK YOU MAY HAVE INDICATED THIS, DID SORT OF MAKE IT MORE RESTRICTED BY SAYING, NO, WE WANT TWO OF THE FIRST THREE, INSTEAD OF JUST ANY OF THE BELOW SIX, JUST PICK THREE. SO THEY DID MAKE IT SOMEWHAT MORE RESTRICTIVE. UM, AND I THINK THAT'S BECAUSE THEY, WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS TONIGHT, BUT MY TAKEAWAY FROM A YEAR AGO WAS THEY FELT THAT THOSE WERE REALLY IMPORTANT TO PICK SOMETHING FROM THE TOP THREE, THAT ALL BUILDINGS SHOULD EMBODY THOSE AT LEAST ONE, TWO OF THE THREE. AND THAT THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY FOR THE SECOND PAIR OF THREE. UM, IT, IT'S AN INTERESTING MIX OF THEM BECAUSE I WOULD HAVE OUR, UM, EXCEPTIONAL ARCHITECTURE AS AN AN ABSOLUTE AND, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE PUBLIC OPEN SPACES, SOMETHING COULD BE THE ONE THAT IS, YOU KNOW, THE FLEXIBLE ONE. BUT I, I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T TRADE EXCEPTIONAL ARCHITECTURE AWAY AND, AND THE, UH, EXISTING STREETS SCAPE EFFORT, THE, THE FIRST ONE'S THERE. SO, I MEAN, UM, IN VIEWING THIS, I'M IN MY COMMENT, I'M GONNA BE SAYING LET'S PICK ALL OF THEM. UM, AND, AND I THINK WE'VE HIT ON A LOT OF OTHER THINGS AND I, I REALLY WANNA TRY AND GET TO THE PUBLIC. SO IF WE'RE GOOD HERE AT COUNCIL FOR THE MOMENT, UM, LET'S GO OVER TO THE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT. EVERYBODY'S BEEN WAITING PATIENTLY TO, TO, UH, HAVE A CHANCE HERE. SO, UM, I'D LIKE TO ASK OUR CLERK IF ANYBODY HAD POSTED ANY COMMENTS TO US ONLINE, PERHAPS. YEAH, THERE WERE A FEW. WE RECEIVED 43 PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THE TIME THAT THE MEETING STARTED, BUT I'VE SEEN QUITE A FEW MORE AND ALL THOSE WILL BE POSTED, UH, TO THE WEBSITE. WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. AND I WILL READ THE MESSAGING NOW. UH, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ATTENDING IN PERSON SHOULD BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE SO. SPEAKERS ARE REMINDED TO BE RESPECTFUL IN THEIR COMMENTS AND THAT THIS MEETING IS BEING TRANSLATED. PLEASE PAUSE BETWEEN SENTENCES FOR TRANSLATION, . AND THAT'S OUR CARD LIST FOR THE NIGHT. WE HAVE, UH, 22, UM, 22 CONTRIBUTIONS TONIGHT. I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY ARRIVING. UM, I THINK SINCE THIS IS A WORKSHOP AND PEOPLE HAVE MADE THE EFFORT TO BE HERE, THAT WILL STAY AT OUR FULL THREE MINUTES PER PERSON. BUT REALIZE THAT IF YOU ARE REPEATING YOURSELF, YOU CAN WELL SAY WHAT THEY SAID WORKS FOR ME, UH, ONLY YOU'RE EVEN MORE IMPASSIONED ABOUT IT. UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, DON'T FEEL COMPELLED TO, TO TAKE THE FULL THREE MINUTES. UM, UM, SO I AM, UH, I THINK I'M A LITTLE BIT SLOWER 'CAUSE I DON'T WANT ANY COUNCIL MEMBER TO MISS ANY, UM, MINUTE OF THIS. BUT I CAN SAY THAT THE, UH, FIRST SPEAKER WE HAVE IS, UH, UH, CLAUDIA VON ROSS. AND, UM, THE SECOND ONE BE TOM BERNHEIMER. SO BE READY IN A HEARTBEAT HERE. HELLO, MY NAME IS ACTUALLY CLAUDIA AARON ROSS. THAT'S THE WAY I READ IT. WROTE IT. THAT'S MY NAME. UM, I HAD A PLANNED SET OF THINGS TO SAY AND THEN THEY WERE VERY SPECIFIC. BUT IF I'VE SAT THROUGH THIS MEETING, I'M THROWING THEM ALL AWAY BECAUSE IT HAS BECOME CRYSTAL CLEAR TO ME THAT EVERY TIME I TALK TO ANYONE ON THE COUNCIL, NOT ANYONE, SEVERAL PEOPLE ON THE COUNCIL, EVERY TIME THE COUNCIL SPEAKS, EVERY TIME THEY WRITE IN ANY OF THE SOCIAL PLATFORMS, IT'S A MOVING TARGET. I ASKED AT THE VERY BEGINNING [02:45:02] IF IT WAS AT ALL POSSIBLE TO JUST DO THE HEIGHT FOR THE IKE END PARCEL. AND I WAS TOLD TO MY FACE BY SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT THAT WASN'T POSSIBLE. NOW I'M HEARING NOT ONLY IS IT POSSIBLE, BUT, BUT OH MY, WE HADN'T THOUGHT OF THAT YET. I THINK THAT YOU ARE SPENDING PETALUMA TAXPAYER MONEY, NOT BY THE THOUSANDS. I'D SAY YOU'RE PROBABLY AT LEAST IN A MILLION DOLLARS AND PUTTING FORTH A PLAN. THAT WAS THE IDEA OF JUST A FEW PEOPLE AND THROWING EVERYTHING INTO AN UPROAR BECAUSE A FEW PEOPLE HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT THE ONLY WAY TO DO CHANGE. THERE ARE MANY WAYS TO CHANGE. I AM FOR CHANGE IN PETALUMA. I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS ONE OF THEM, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU'RE LISTENING TO ANYONE AND I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE A CLEAR PLAN. THANK YOU TOM BERNHEIMER TO BE FOLLOWED BY, UM, JEANNIE ZEL. YOU KNOW, SHE SAID SOME OF WHAT I WAS GONNA TALK ABOUT AND THE FACT THAT WE WERE TOLD AT THE BEGINNING THAT WASN'T POSSIBLE. WE WERE TOLD AT THE BEGINNING THAT WASN'T POSSIBLE FOR LEGAL REASONS OR WHATEVER REASONS THAT WASN'T POSSIBLE. I MEAN, THE OVERLAY WAS AN OVERLAY FOR THE HOTEL. THIS STARTED, THE BACKGROUND OF THIS, IT WAS KIND OF MISSED IN THE BEGINNING WAS THERE WERE STAFF MEMBERS WHO DID A DRIVE BY OF DOWNTOWN AND LOOKED FOR PLACES THAT THEY THOUGHT WAS, THAT WERE UNDERUSED. THEY DIDN'T TALK TO ANYBODY. THEY JUST WENT OUT AND SAID THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT AND THAT. AND THAT'S HOW THEY CREATED THIS. AND THE WHOLE IDEA IS THIS HOTEL WANTED TO GO THROUGH, THEY COULDN'T GET A VARIANCE. THEY WERE TOLD OR, AND WE WERE TOLD THEY CAN'T DO A, YOU KNOW, A SPOT CHANGE. SO WE HAD TO DO AN OVERLAY FOR THIS. AND THEN IT WAS RENAMED FROM THE EKN HOTEL OVERLAY REASON TO THIS ECONOMIC HOUSING OVERLAY TO MAKE IT SOUND BETTER. WE'VE HAD ARCHITECTS AND, AND PEOPLE WHO HAVE FAMILIAR WITH THE CITY HERE SAYING THAT IN ORDER TO BUILD SOME OF THIS STUFF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DEVELOPERS WON'T DO IT. 'CAUSE THERE ISN'T ENOUGH. THERE ISN'T, THERE ISN'T ENOUGH THERE FOR THEM TO WORK ON. AND SO NOW YOU'RE CREATING ALL THIS STUFF. I MEAN, I JUST LOOK AT THIS, IT'S JUST INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF TIME AND EFFORT SPENT ON THIS. THERE'S 17 PEOPLE SITTING HERE, PLUS ALL THESE FOLKS, ALL THIS TIME SPENT IN HOW MANY MEETINGS? 10. IS THAT REALLY VALUE? I DON'T THINK SO. YOU KNOW, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT WAS A $5 MILLION SPEND FOR AN ERP SYSTEM. THERE WAS NO, THAT WASN'T PART OF THIS AT ALL. SO, I MEAN, THERE'S MONEY BEING SPENT ON A LOT OF STUFF. AND THIS IS JUST, THIS SEEMS LIKE A, JUST A, AS I SAID EARLIER BEFORE, THIS IS A MAKE WORK PROJECT AND A LOT OF RESHUFFLING, A LOT OF STUFF. I MEAN, I WENT THROUGH ALL THE DOCUMENTS AND A LOT OF IT WAS JUST SORT OF RESETTING, REDOING, REDOING, REDOING, AND WATCHES THIS BACKING OFF OF ALL THESE THINGS. WE'RE GONNA DO ALL THESE THREE, THESE BIG AREAS, NOW WE'RE GONNA GET SMALLER. NOW WE'RE GONNA GET SMALLER. AND NOW COUNCILMAN HEALY PUTS FORWARD, WE CAN JUST DO ONE. SO NOW WE'VE BEEN IN THIS FOR TWO YEARS AND WE COULD HAVE JUST DONE ONE. AND NOT ONLY THAT, YOUR APPLICANT IS IN FINANCIAL DISTRESS. YEAH, YEAH. SO AGAIN, THIS IS ALL LIKE IMAGINARY FERRY DUST RIGHT NOW. AND SO I, IT JUST, IT, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ALREADY KNOW THE CITY SPENT 160,000 PLUS ON THE A RR, ALL THE STAFF AND PEOPLE'S TIME ON THAT, THEIR SALARY, THEIR BENEFITS, THAT'S ALL BEEN SPENT ON THIS TOO. THAT'S ALL SUNK COSTS. YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS. YOU CAN JUST LET IT DIE SPOT DO, DO THE ONE EKN, WHICH IS NOT EKN NOW. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GONNA CALL IT NOW 'CAUSE DO THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU JEANNIE AL TO BE FOLLOWED BY DEBORAH RICHARDSON. HI. UM, I HAVE LIVED IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND UH, I'M A HOMEOWNER THERE, UM, IN OAK HILL FOR 25 YEARS. AND WE'VE RESTORED TWO HOMES. UM, I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND NEVER HAVE I SPOKEN TO ANYBODY DOING ANY PROJECT WHO SAID THAT, OH, THE THE CITY'S GONNA CHANGE THE GUIDELINES FOR US 'CAUSE WE ARE STRUGGLING WITH THIS ASPECT OF OUR PROJECT. UM, AND IT, IT'S REALLY NAUSEATING TO ME THAT JUST BECAUSE SOME BIG DEVELOPER COMES IN AND WANTS TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T FIT IN THE GUIDELINES, THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE SPENDING THOUSANDS OF HOURS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN ORDER [02:50:01] TO ACCOMMODATE THAT WE DON'T NEED THAT HOTEL. AND UM, WHEN I LOOKED AT THE PROJECT OVERVIEW AND THE FIRST THING THAT WAS LISTED WAS HOUSING AS THE REASON FOR THE, THE OVERVIEW OF THE OVERLAY. I'M SORRY THAT DOWNTOWN IS THE WORST PLACE YOU GUYS COULD PUT HOUSING. I'M A RETIRED TEACHER, I KNOW WHAT FAMILIES NEED AND THEY DON'T NEED TO LEAVE IN HIGH RISE BUILDINGS WHERE THEY HAVE NOWHERE TO PARK AND THEY CAN'T GET THEIR KIDS TO SCHOOL. THEY CAN'T GET TO WORK. UM, FINALLY, I I JUST WANNA BRING UP THE MOST RECENT ELECTION AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM AND THE 42 LETTERS THAT YOU'VE RECEIVED, UM, AND THE RESULT, THE ELECTION, WE HAVE ONE CHANGE IN A COUNCIL MEMBER. AND HAD THERE NOT BEEN A A THREE-WAY SPLIT, WE WOULD'VE HAD TWO CHANGES IN THE COUNCIL MEMBERS. MAINLY, IF NOT ALL, BECAUSE THIS TOWN, THIS CITY DOES NOT SUPPORT THIS PROJECT. THEY DON'T SUPPORT THE PROJECT OR CHANGES TO OUR HISTORIC GUIDELINES. THE, UM, THOSE CHANGES ARE, ARE GONNA BE THE DETRIMENT OF OUR DOWNTOWN AND THE QUALITY OF BUSINESSES AND LIFE AND EXPERIENCES DOWNTOWN. SO I ENCOURAGE YOU TO PLEASE TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AND I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THE PERSON WHO SPOKE BEHIND BEFORE ME, JUST GET RID OF IT AND MOVE ON. IT IS NOT NECESSARY AND PEOPLE IN THIS TOWN DON'T WANT IT. THANK YOU DEBORAH RICHARDSON TO BE FOLLOWED BY SONYA, UH, KARABELL. I'M DEBORAH RICHARDSON AND I LIVE HERE IN TOWN AND I'M A PERSON IN FAVOR OF THE HOTEL. UM, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE ON THE OVERLAY. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A, UM, IT'S AN EFFORT TO KIND OF PUT US TO LOOK AT, LOOK INTO THE FUTURE. I REALLY ENJOYED THE PLANNING MEETINGS THAT WERE HELD AT LUCCHESE, WHERE WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY LOOK AT AREAS OF OUR CITY THAT WE COULD MAKE CHANGES TO AND VISION IN A DIFFERENT WAY IN THE NEXT 20 YEARS. SO IN 20 YEARS, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE SAME PROBLEMS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW. UH, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT HOW THE HOTEL WILL AFFECT AT THE LOOK OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. AS I WALKED AT THE PROMISE BUILDING SITE, I SEE CHAIN LINK FENCES, ABANDONED BUILDINGS, MORE CHAIN LINK FENCES, AND A SEVEN 11 LAUNDROMAT CON COMBINATION. THIS IS THE ENTRANCE TO HISTORIC DOWNTOWN. IF YOU LOOK AT THE BROADER PICTURE OF DOWNTOWN, LET'S CONSIDER THE PETALUMA HOTEL. WE LOVE THE PETALUMA HOTEL, EVERYONE LOVES IT. BUT IF YOU JUST LOOKED AT A PICTURE OF IT, YOU MIGHT NOT THINK IT'S THE MOST BEAUTIFUL BUILDING YOU'VE EVER SEEN. IT'S A BIG SQUARE BRICK BOX, BUT IT'S PART OF A FABRIC OF OUR DOWNTOWN, LIKE THE, LIKE THIS HOTEL MIGHT SOMEDAY BE. UM, I BELIEVE THAT THE FOOTPRINT OF THE NEW HOTEL IS SIMILAR TO THE HOTEL PETALUMA AND THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING AS SEEN FROM THE STREET LEVEL, I THINK WILL BE SIMILAR. IT SEEMS LIKE THE TWO HOTELS WOULD BE VERY SATISFYING BOOKENDS TO OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT. I APPRECIATE THE PUBLIC OUTREACH THAT HAS BEEN DONE AND THE CHANGES TO THE GENERAL PLAN. I'M ENCOURAGED TO KNOW THAT OUR CITY IS LOOKING FORWARD FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS TO SEE WHAT COULD BE RATHER THAN CONSTRAIN OUR VISION BY THE LIMITS OF HOW WE CURRENTLY LIVE. I THINK THAT WE'RE BEING ENCOURAGED TO THINK ABOUT WAYS THAT WE MIGHT LIVE. WHY ARE WE ALWAYS CONSTRAINED BY THE THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT WILL WE DO WITH OUR CARS? THANKS. THANKS TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THE SMART TRAIN, FOR LUGO, FOR THE BICYCLE RENTAL, FOR THE SAFE BIKE PATHS, FOR CARING ABOUT OUR CLIMATE FOR VISIONING. A CITY WHERE WE CAN BREATHE AND MOVE AND WALK AND SEE OUR NEIGHBORS. I LOOK FORWARD TO TOASTING THE FUTURE FROM THE ROOFTOP LOUNGE. THANK YOU. UH, NEXT SPEAKER, SONYA CARRABELLE SHOULD BE FOLLOWED BY NANCY OLIS. HELLO? OH, HELLO EVERYONE. I'M SONYA CARRABELLE, UH, WITH UNITE HERE, LOCAL TWO, THE HOTEL WORKERS UNION IN THE NORTH BAY AND AROUND THE BAY AREA. AND I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A PERSPECTIVE THAT IS MORE FOCUSED ON, UH, ECONOMIC JUSTICE AS IT RELATES TO THIS PROPOSAL. UH, THE, WE REMAIN DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE HOTEL ASPECT OF THIS PROPOSAL, AND I KNOW THAT WE'RE HERE TALKING ABOUT THE OVERLAY, BUT AS MANY PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED, THIS WHOLE THING CAME ABOUT BECAUSE A HOTEL DEVELOPER WANTED TO DO SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT ALLOWED UNDER THE CURRENT ZONE. AND THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THIS DISCUSSION HAS COME FROM. AND, YOU KNOW, AS THE HOTEL WORKERS UNION, WE HAVE NO REASON TO BELIEVE THAT THESE JOBS WILL BE ANYTHING BETTER THAN THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE STANDARD UNFORTUNATELY IN THE INDUSTRY, WHICH IS A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY MINIMUM WAGE JOBS, [02:55:01] UH, JOBS WHERE PEOPLE ARE HAVING TO COMMUTE FROM FAR AWAY. WE HEARD EARLIER TONIGHT FROM, UH, LOTS OF MOBILE HOME RESIDENTS AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S A VERY MUCH AN OVERLAPPING POPULATION WITH HOTEL WORKERS IN PETALUMA AND IN SONOMA COUNTY. UH, IT IS INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT FOR OUR MEMBERS TO FIND PLACES TO LIVE, UH, THAT ARE NEAR TO WHERE THEY WORK. WE'RE IN A SEVERE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING CRISIS AND THIS, UH, HOTEL, IF ALLOWED TO MOVE FORWARD, WOULD BE VERY LIKELY TO JUST MAKE THAT JOB'S HOUSING IMBALANCE THAT WE HAVE HERE WORSE. AND SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT IN SUPPORT OF THE HOTEL AT ALL, BUT I THINK THAT ONE OPTION FOR THE COUNCIL, UH, AT THIS POINT WOULD BE TO ADD TO, UH, THE REQUIREMENTS A REPORT RELATED TO HOTELS SIMILAR TO THE FISCAL AND ECONOMIC IMPACT ASSESSMENT THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY IN THE PETALUMA CODE BUT WAS REMOVED, UM, A COUPLE YEARS AGO. UH, AND THAT REPORT SHOULD REALLY TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT IS THE IMPACT GONNA BE OF A HOTEL PROJECT ON THE JOBS HOUSING IMBALANCE. UH, WHAT WOULD THE IMPACT BE ON THE DEMAND FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND HOW IS THAT GOING TO IMPACT PETALUMA AS A WHOLE? UM, BECAUSE WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED MORE HOTELS IF THEY'RE JUST GOING TO BE LOW ROAD, UH, YOU KNOW, HOTELS THAT BRING BAD JOBS TO THIS TOWN, MORE BAD JOBS. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU NANCY OLIS TO BE FOLLOWED BY ADAM KLEIN. THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. UM, LISTENING AT THE PRESENTATION TODAY, IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WERE A LOT OF BLANK MOMENTS WHEN PEOPLE COULDN'T ANSWER QUESTIONS AND LISTENING TO, UM, THE REPORTS. IT, IT SEEMED TO ME THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF ENERGY SPENT ON HOW TO GET AROUND THINGS LIKE SETBACKS, THAT IF YOU STAND IN ONE SPOT IN THE STREET, MAYBE YOU DON'T SEE SOMETHING, BUT YOU WALK AROUND THE CORNER AND IT'S SIX STORIES HIGH. I LIVE ON D STREET AND A, A OPEN ENTERTAINMENT AREA ON B STREET WITH LOUD MUSIC IS GONNA KEEP ME UP ALL NIGHT. I'M NOT INTERESTED IN THAT. AND I'VE COME TO PLENTY OF THESE MEETINGS AND VERY FEW PEOPLE THAT LADIES FOR THE HOTEL ARE AGAINST IT AND MOSTLY BECAUSE THEY WANNA PROTECT OUR DOWNTOWN AREA. WE HAVE A HISTORIC DISTRICT, NOT HISTORIC BUILDINGS, AND PUTTING NEW BUILDINGS THAT DO NOT FIT OR HEIGHT WISE WILL BURY THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS. YOU SEE THE TOWN FOR MANY ASPECTS, NOT ONE SPOT WITH A LITTLE LINE GOING UP TO A STREET. UM, AS FOR PARKING, IT'D BE NICE IF YOU, UH, IT SEEMED LIKE YOU GUYS WERE LIKE CAUGHT LIKE, OH, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO LOOK AT PARKING HERE TOO. AND IT JUST SEEMED LIKE YOU'RE WORKING HARD NOT TO REASONS THAT IT, IT'S GONNA RUIN OUR DOWNTOWN AREA. UM, THE SMART TRAIN IS NOT BART OR CALTRAIN. IT GOES FROM SANTA ROSA TO LARKSBURG. IT'S HARDLY A LARGE TRANSPORT AREA OR A SYSTEM. PEOPLE WHO COME TO THAT HOTEL ARE NOT GONNA TAKE THE SMART TRAIN. IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT ALL THIS PARKING THAT YOU SAY WE HAVE, I EVEN WHEN WE HAVE A SOME KIND OF EVENT, I CAN'T SHOP BECAUSE THAT WHOLE THING'S FULL OF CARS. THE PARKING WHERE THE TRAIN IS ISN'T THAT HUGE OR THE ART CENTER AND NOW YOU'RE GOING TO LIKE HAVE OTHER PEOPLE THERE. I MEAN, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE, UM, LOOKING AT THE STANDARDS, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A WAY TO GET AROUND TO BUILD HIGH BUILDINGS INSTEAD OF LOOKING FOR WAYS TO KEEP PETALUMA FEEL OUR AESTHETIC AND WHOSE AESTHETIC WE HAVE A NATIONAL REGISTER AESTHETIC, OUR, OUR HISTORIC PLANNING DID NOT APPROVE IT, DID NOT THINK IT WAS A GOOD IDEA. AND I'M, I'M NOT FOR THE OVERLAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ADAM KLEIN TO BE FOLLOWED BY SU SUZANNE BJI. THANK YOU. UM, MY COMMENTS MAINLY CONNECTED TO THE IMPETUS FOR THIS WHOLE THING, WHICH WAS THE HOTEL AND OVERLAY BEING COMBINED TOGETHER, WHICH SEEMS TO HAVE BROUGHT FORTH SORT OF THIS VERY COMPLEX AND CONVOLUTED PROCESS. AND NOW WITH THE SUNSET CLAUSE OF IT COMING INTO PLAY, MEANING THAT IT'S ONLY GONNA LAST FOR MAYBE A YEAR BEFORE THE GENERAL PLAN COMES IN, IT WOULD BE SEEM WISE TO SEPARATE THE TWO. SO YES, LET'S ALL BE ABOUT UPDATING PETALUMA AND GROWING IT AND TAKING OUR ASSETS AND HAVING THEM BECOME MORE VALUABLE OVER TIME. I REALLY UNDERSCORE SOME OF THE COMMENTS ABOUT HAVING A DESIGN REVIEW [03:00:01] BE A PART OF WHATEVER GETS PUT IN PLACE, WHETHER IT'S IN THE OVERLAY OR THE GENERAL PLAN. UM, THAT SEEMS TO BE A CRITICAL ELEMENT THAT MOST PEOPLE AGREE ON. SO WHY TRY TO RUSH THAT BY TRYING TO DO AN EASY WAY AROUND THAT WITH JUST THE OVERLAY INSTEAD OF PUTTING IT SOMETHING MORE PERMANENT IN A A GENERAL PLAN UPDATE. TO ME IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S TIME TO JUST SORT OF CUT LOSSES OF ALL THE TIME INVESTED IN THIS ENDEAVOR AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S PROBABLY BEST TO START OVER AND HAVE THIS ALL GO INTO THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE, WHICH IS GONNA BE COMING AROUND THE BEND REALLY SOON ANYWAY, TO TAKE ALL THIS TIME AND ENERGY, INVEST IN THAT AND HAVE ALL THE BUY-IN FROM THE PUBLIC AROUND THAT. AND THEN HAVE THE HOTEL BE ITS OWN THING LATER AND REALLY SEPARATE THE TWO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SUZANNE BIJI TO BE FOLLOWED BY ANDY EBER. I'M A LONGTIME RESIDENT OF PETALUMA IN 2009 I DID MOVE INTO TOWN AND I'M, UH, CLOSE TO THE EX. I'M IN THE BREWSTER HISTORIC DISTRICT AND KEOKUK VERY CLOSE TO THIS, UH, NEW DEVELOPMENT. SO I HAVE QUESTIONS REGARDING THE THREE PROPOSED OVERLAY ZONES. HAS THE CASE BEEN MADE TO ACHIEVE OUR YET UNDEFINED GOALS OF HOUSING AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY THAT WE NEED TO RAISE THE HEIGHT LIMIT? IF SO, I HAVEN'T HEARD ABOUT IT YET. HOW MUCH HOUSING DO WE NEED IN THE HISTORIC CENTER? WHAT TYPE OF HOUSING? HOW MANY UNITS CAN WE FIT INTO THE CORE AREA? I'VE HEARD TONIGHT THERE'S 15% OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE IF WE DO HAVE THIS HOUSING, THERE'LL BE MORE LUXURY HOUSING AND VERY FEW AFFORDABLE HOUSINGS. 15% IS A SMALL PERCENTAGE. AND HAS IT BEEN PROVEN THAT WE REALLY NEED TO CHANGE THE HEIGHT LIMIT TO ACCOMPLISH FORWARD MOVEMENT? I HAVE A CURIOSITY. HOW DO HILLSBURG AND SEBASTOPOL WITH VERY SIMILAR ECONOMIC PROFILES IN THEIR DOWNTOWN HAVE FOUR STORY LIMITS THAT PENCIL OUT? THIS QUESTION HAS NEVER BEEN ANSWERED. I'VE ASKED IT MANY, MANY TIMES REGARDING THE EKN HOTEL. THE DRAFT EIR DOES NOT ADDRESS ISSUES SUCH AS CONSERVATION VIEWS, SAFETY AND TRAFFIC CIRCULATION, AND THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM PARKING. I KNOW WE'VE ADDRESSED PARKING OR NOT TONIGHT, BUT NOT IN A WAY THAT I FIND SATISFACTORY. THE PUBLIC DESERVES TO KNOW HOW POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS DUE TO THE PROJECT WILL BE MITIGATED. THESE ISSUES ARE NOT DRAFT AND NOT ADDRESSED IN THE DRAFT EIR WHEN THIS LOCATION BECAME PROBLEM PROBLEMATIC DUE TO THE PUBLIC OUTCRY WERE OTHER LOCATIONS CONSIDERED? I KNOW IT'S TOO LATE NOW, BUT IT'S A QUESTION I I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ANSWERED AT SOME POINT SUCH AS HAYSTACK LANDING, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE FOR THIS. IN FACT, DRUM PHOTOGRAPHS HAVE BEEN DONE FROM THE HEIGHT OF THAT TO SHOW WHAT THE ROOFTOP BAR WOULD ACTUALLY SEE. SEE I AM FOR THE HO HOTEL IN THAT LOCATION WITH DIFFERENT DESIGNS AT FOUR STORIES AND I HAVE SUBMITTED TO THE COUNCIL, UM, SOME, I THINK QUITE, UH, PERFECT DESIGNS FOR THAT AREA. I DO HAVE SOME TONIGHT WITH ME ON MY PORTFOLIO. IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED IN HAVING SOME OF THESE, I CAN SHARE THEM WITH YOU. IN CLOSING, I'M AGAINST THE OVERLAY HOTEL. AN INCREASED HEIGHT LIMIT WILL DIMINISH OUR JEWEL OF A HISTORIC DOWNTOWN. BUT MAINLY I WANNA SAY THE DESIGN REVIEW THAT, UH, BRIAN BARNACLE MENTIONED, I THINK IS OF THE UTMOST IMPORTANCE AND WE'RE JUST RUSHING THIS THROUGH WITH THAT WOULD REALLY MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE. SO I WANNA BE DO A BIG PLUG FOR THAT AND IF WE WANNA SNEAK REVIEW OF WHAT OUR TOWN WILL LOOK LIKE, CHECK OUT THE DESIGN OF THE CURRENT PROPOSAL AND PLACE SIMILAR BUILDINGS ALL OVER THE OVERLAY ZONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU ANDY EBER TO BE FOLLOWED BY CAROL EBER. THIS IS THE UBER ACT. HELLO MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO DISCUSS A SCHEME TO CREATE AN OVERLAY ZONING OSTENSIBLY TO PROMOTE ECONOMIC AND DEVELOPMENT AND HOUSING. OVERLAYS ARE NOT THE WAY TO ACHIEVE EITHER OF THESE OBJECTIVES WILL CREATE BEHEMOTHS DOWNTOWN INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE REST OF OUR DOWNTOWN AND THEY WILL OVERWHELM THE ALREADY CONGESTED TRAFFIC AND PARKING SITUATION. THERE ARE NUMEROUS VACANT LOTS THAT CAN BE LOCATIONS FOR MORE MODEST SIZED, AFFORDABLE HOUSING. MANY WITHIN A MILE FROM HERE AND SEVERAL NEAR TRANSIT HUBS. OVERLAYS ARE SIMPLY AN END RUN PLOY BY THE DEVELOPERS FROM NEWPORT BEACH AND HEALDSBURG TO GET THEIR HOTEL APPROVED. AND OVERLAYS WILL ONLY BENEFIT THE HANDFUL OF PROPERTY OWNERS WHOSE PARCELS FALL WITHIN THE PROPOSED ZONES. LET THE HOTEL STAND ON ITS OWN MERITS. INSTEAD, I RESPECTFULLY SUGGEST THAT WE SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON CREATING A PLAN [03:05:01] AND A CAMPAIGN TO BRING BUSINESSES AND TENANTS TO THE DOZENS OF VACANT STOREFRONTS THAT ALREADY EXIST AROUND TOWN AND THAT ARE INCREASING BY THE DAY. TO TACKLE THIS MUCH MORE VEXING PROBLEM WILL REQUIRE CREATIVITY AND, AND INCENTIVES FOR BUSINESSES TO OCCUPY THESE SPACES AS WELL AS INCENTIVES FOR LANDLORDS TO MAKE THEIR SPACE AVAILABLE AT REASONABLE RATES AND PENALTIES FOR THOSE WHO KEEP THEIR PROPERTIES STAGNATING FOR MONTHS AND YEARS BEHIND CHAIN LINK FENCES. THIS IS WHERE WE NEED YOUR LEADERSHIP, NOT WASTING TIME, AND CITY RESOURCES ON OVERLAYS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CAROL EBERT, TO BE FOLLOWED BY BEVERLY SHORE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. GOOD EVENING. UH, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS ONLY OVERLAY SEA. I'M A RESIDENT OF THE OAKVILLE HISTORIC OAK OAK HILL BREWSTER HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND, UH, ADJACENT TO OVERLAY C UM, IN THE REPORT I READ OF THE, UH, PROJECT, THERE'S A SECTION ON THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES, UH, THAT WERE RECOMMENDED BY THE GENERAL PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON FEBRUARY 17TH, 2022. AND I'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO THOSE BECAUSE THEY'RE AS STATED IN THE PROJECT REPORT, THEY'RE PARTICULARLY RELEVANT. UM, THERE ARE FIVE BULLET POINTS I'M REALLY GOING TO ADDRESS ONLY FOUR. UM, ONE IS TO SUPPORT A DIVERSE MIX OF USES AROUND EXISTING AND PROPOSED SMART RAIL STATIONS. WELL, AS YOU KNOW, THERE ARE ENORMOUS VACANT PARCELS ADJACENT TO THE SMART RAILROAD STATION, AND WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THOSE. IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A FIVE OR SIX, SEVEN STORY BUILDING THAT HAS HOUSING, IT WOULD BE FANTASTIC. UM, ALSO, SECOND BULLET POINT IS TO ADDRESS TRAFFIC CONDITION AND PARKING ISSUES, PARTICULARLY AS THEY RELATE TO ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS, WHICH IS ONE OF MINE. UH, CURRENTLY, UH, JUST RECENTLY I WAS AT THE KELLER STREET GARAGE. IT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER IN ONE OF THE POWERPOINT SLIDES ABOUT HOW GREAT IT IS. THERE WERE FOUR VACANT CAR SPACES ON THE TOP FLOOR. THAT WAS IT. THERE WERE NO OTHER VACANT SPACES IN THE KELLER STREET GARAGE. SO IF YOU'RE THINKING THAT THIS IS A WONDERFUL RESOURCE FOR PARKING, TAKE THAT THOUGHT OUT OF YOUR MIND. ALSO, IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, STREET PARKING IS REALLY IMPACTED BY PEOPLE WHO COME DOWNTOWN. SO THEY CAN'T PARK IN THE KELLER STREET GARAGE. THEY CAN'T PARK ON THE STREETS, AND THEY'RE PARKING IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. SO IF YOU DRIVE INTO THE OAK HILL BREWSTER NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU WILL SEE RESIDENTS PARKED ALL ALONG THE STREETS AND YOU WON'T FIND PARKING SPACES. BULLET POINT NUMBER THREE IS TO SUPPORT INCREASED TRANSIT USE BY FOCUSING ON DEVELOPMENT NEAR EXISTING AND FUTURE TRANSIT FACILITIES. OVERLAY SEA IS NOT NEAR TRANSIT FACILITIES, BUT OTHER PARCELS ARE THE, AND THEN FINALLY, BULLET FOUR, SUPPORT CREATIVE REUSE OF VACANT AND UNDERUTILIZED SPACES TO BUILD THE LOCAL ECONOMY. WELL, THERE IS ON WATER STREET AND SMART. THERE'S VACANT SPACES ALSO. THERE'S A WONDERFUL VACANT BUILDING. UH, IT USED TO BE A GROCERY STORE DECADES AGO AT THE CORNER OF LAKEVILLE AND PETALUMA BOULEVARD NORTH. ANOTHER BIG BUILDING PARKING LOT WHERE YOU COULD HAVE AN OVERLAY IF YOU DESIRE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED BEVERLY SHORE TO BE FOLLOWED BY CHRISTINE WHITE. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS BEVERLY SHORE. I LIVE IN DISTRICT SIX. I AGREE WITH MANY OF THE OPINIONS THAT WE HEARD HERE TONIGHT. AND WE'VE JUST RECENTLY HAD AN ELECTION. WE HAD THREE PEOPLE RUNNING FOR COUNCIL. OF THOSE THREE, TWO WERE RUNNING AGAINST THE OVERLAY, AND TWO THIRDS OF THE VOTES IN DISTRICT SIX VOTED AGAINST THE OVERLAY. SO THIS MEANS TO ME, AND WE'RE, WE'RE A DISTRICT THAT IS CLOSEST ACTUALLY TO DOWNTOWN. IF WE WERE TO PUT THE OVERLAY ON A BALLOT, IT WOULDN'T PASS. MONTHS [03:10:01] AND MONTHS AGO, I WAS DOWN AT THE WOMEN'S CLUB. WHEN WE HAD A MEETING WITH OVER 200 PEOPLE. WE WANTED TO SEPARATE THE HOTEL FROM AN SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED, LIKE THE OVERLAY FROM THE GENERAL PLAN. AND I SAY WE STILL NEED TO SEPARATE THE HOTEL FROM THE GENERAL PLAN. THE GENERAL PLAN SHOULD DICTATE THE DESIRES OF THE COMMUNITY. AND IF A DEVELOPER CANNOT MEET THAT, WELL, THEN THEY HAVE TO ALTER THEIR PROJECT OR MOVE ON. IT'S NOT FOR THE CITY TO ALTER THEIR GENERAL PLAN TO SUIT A DEVELOPER. THAT'S THE BACKWARD WAY TO DO IT. WE, WE HAVE A VERY STRONG FEELING ABOUT OUR TOWN. WE LOVE OUR CITY, AND WE WANT TO PRESERVE THE HISTORIC, AND PARTICULARLY THE HEIGHT, BECAUSE I KNOW SOME OF THE SURROUNDING BUILDINGS ARE NOT, NOT FOUR STORIES. AND SO I, I REALLY URGE THE COUNCIL TO DROP THIS GENERAL PLAN, DROP THE OVERLAY IN FAVOR OF MOVING FORWARD WITH THE GENERAL PLAN SO THAT WE HAVE A REALLY STRONG VISION GOING FORWARD FOR THE NEXT 25 YEARS, NOT JUST THE NEXT 12 MONTHS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CHRISTINE WHITE TO BE FOLLOWED BY LYDIA LY. I THANK YOU. THIS IS NOT MY FIRST TIME STANDING UP HERE, AND IT'S ALSO FRUSTRATING THAT IT'S NOT MY FIRST TIME STANDING UP HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE SAME THINGS. IT SEEMS LIKE WE COME INTO THE MEETINGS AND YET OUR VOICES AREN'T HEARD. OR MAYBE THEY'RE HEARD, BUT NO CHANGES HAVE HAPPENED. SO I'LL ASK THIS QUESTION. WHAT IS THE VISION THAT YOU ALL HAVE FOR PETALUMA? BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT'S BEEN SHARED. IF IT HAS, PLEASE TELL ME WHERE TO FIND IT. I WONDER WHAT THE RUSH IS TO PUT FORTH THESE CHANGES OF AN INCREASE IN STORIES FROM FOUR TO SIX WITHOUT PARKING. AS WE'VE ALL SAID, WE'VE ALL TRIED TO FIND PARKING. AND FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE WRITING THIS PLAN, IF YOU LIVE HERE AND NOT JUST, UH, COME TO WORK HERE BECAUSE I'VE WORKED IN MANY PLACES, BUT THAT'S NOT WHERE I LIVE. BUT WHEN YOU ACTUALLY LIVE SOMEWHERE AND YOU'RE DOING YOUR SHOPPING AND YOU'RE DOING YOUR DAY TO DAYS, RUNNING YOUR KIDS BACK AND FORTH TO SCHOOLS, YOU REALIZE THE IMPACT THAT PARKING, THE LACK THEREOF WILL HAVE WITH ALL THESE INCREASES. AND ALSO, YOU'LL ALSO UNDERSTAND THE TRAFFIC THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. AND I'M NOT TALKING WITHOUT ADDING MORE THE EIR REPORT, I WAS HAPPY TO HEAR TONIGHT. I THINK IT'S JUST THE DRAFT. IT HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S GOOD BECAUSE AT THE MEETING THAT I WENT TO, THAT WAS A JOINT PLANNING COMMISSION AND HCPC, THERE WERE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT WERE NOT ANSWERED. AND I HAVEN'T HEARD THOSE ANSWERS YET, SO I'M GLAD THAT IT'S STILL A DRAFT. I I ALSO HAVE A QUESTION. WHEN THIS OVERLAY DECISION IS MADE AND WHEN THE GENERAL PLAN IS MADE, WILL THIS GO TO VOTE FOR THE CITY? OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT IS JUST DECIDED ON WITH THE COUNCIL? BECAUSE IT SEEMED TO ME THERE WERE SOME STATEMENTS IN MEASURE Y, WHICH WAS FOR URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY THAT COULD MAKE IT, THAT WE DON'T HAVE A VOICE IN THE GENERAL PLAN. AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS AWARE, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WILL BE VOTED ON BY THE CITY OR JUST BY THE COUNCIL? SO WHEN EVERYBODY IS TALKING, I AGREE WITH WHAT THEY'RE SAYING. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO A HOTEL. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO A ROOFTOP BAR. I ACTUALLY, I THINK THEY'RE FUN. BUT WHEN I GO TO PLACES AND I VISIT THEM, LIKE IN ROME OR IN VENICE, I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THAT OLD TOWN CHARM. I CAN SEE A SKYSCRAPER ANYWHERE. SKYSCRAPER HERE WOULD BE SEVEN STORIES OR NINE STORIES. IF YOU HAVE THAT LOW DENSITY HOUSING, WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S UNIQUE HERE, HELP PROTECT IT. WE'RE ALL PASSIONATE ABOUT IT. I HOPE YOU ARE TOO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, LYDIA ASLAN TO BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, DEBRA FISHER. GOOD EVENING. I'M LYDIA ASLAN WITH THE PETALUMA HISTORIC ADVOCATES. UM, I CAME PREPARED TONIGHT. AND MAY I, I SEE THE DEBRA FISHER AS A SEATING TIME TO YOURSELF. AND SO, UM, I, I, UH, AND I ALSO SEE THAT ZACH PALER IS HERE WITH HIS COMMENT. THAT'D BE SEATING TIME. SO I'LL ASK IF DEB FISHER IS IN THE HOUSE RIGHT NOW TO, CAN YOU WAVE AT ME? AND THANK YOU THEN. AND THAT'S TRUE YOUR SEATING TIME. THANK YOU. AND ZACH, UH, PALARI IS ZACH IN THE HOUSE, AND THEN, SO, AND, AND IT'S GOOD. OKAY. SO, UM, I WILL, WE HAVE A MAXIMUM OF THREE. I'LL TRY NOT TO TAKE NINE MINUTES HERE, . AND I APPRECIATE THAT TREMENDOUSLY. SO I, I CAME HERE TONIGHT PREPARED TO DIVE INTO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PART OF THE [03:15:01] OVERLAY. I, I, I'M, I'M READY TO TAKE YOU ON A TOUR IN THE WEEDS HERE. UM, IF, IF YOU'RE UP FOR IT. UM, THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PROCESS IS WHAT GREG STARTED TO EXPLAIN IN HIS PRESENTATION EARLIER, UM, UNDER WHAT WAS BEING CALLED TONIGHT, THE DISCRETIONARY REVIEW PROCESS. OKAY. SO THIS IS, I REALLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS. CUP. UM, I BELIEVE THAT THE CUP PROCESS NEEDS MORE TEETH, UH, AND THE CUP CRITERIA NEEDS TO BE STRENGTHENED. THE BAR MAY NEED TO BE RAISED FOR SOME OF THE FINDINGS THAT, THAT SEEM TO BE A LITTLE BIT TOO EASY TO BE ACHIEVED. UM, SO YOU READY FOR A LITTLE TRIP IN THE WEEDS HERE? OKAY. UM, THE FIRST, THE FIRST SET OF CUP FINDINGS, THAT'S THE ONE THAT TAKES US FROM 45 FEET UP TO 60. UM, GREG PRESENTED, UM, THAT THERE ARE FIVE FINDINGS THAT HAVE TO BE, THAT HAVE TO BE ACHIEVED. I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH WITH THEM. THEY'VE ALL GOTTA BE ACHIEVED TO GET TO THAT 60 TO GET, GET TO THAT 60 FEET. HOWEVER, UM, THERE ARE SOME VERY, UH, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW DO YOU ADDRESS THE EXTREMELY SUBJECTIVE PARTS OF A COUPLE OF THOSE THINGS? HOW DO YOU DEFINE NOTIONS OF POSITIVE CONTRIBUTION TO THE CHARACTER? HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU DEFINE AND MEASURE COMPATIBILITY? HOW ABOUT ADVERSE CHANGE IN THE SIGNIFICANCE OR INTEGRITY? HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU DO THAT? H HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU NAIL THOSE, THOSE REALLY SUBJECTIVE THINGS DOWN? HOW DO YOU STRENGTHEN THIS PART OF THE CUP? UM, THE, THE FIRST THING, WELL, THE FIRST THING WAS THE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT MUST BE CONSISTENT WITH THE PURPOSES OF THE OVERLAY THAT CUP SHOULD SAY, THESE, THIS IS THE PURPOSE OF THE OVERLAY, IT SHOULD SAY TO INCENTIVIZE HOUSING OR MIXED USE OR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, WHILE PROVIDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR FUTURE PROJECTS TO COMPLEMENT THE CITY'S HISTORIC DOWNTOWN CHARACTER. AND THEN WE NEED SOME CLEAR REQUIREMENTS THAT WILL ASSIST THE DECISION MAKERS TO GET THEM TO A POINT WHERE THEY CAN MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS ON THESE SUBJECTIVE CUP CATEGORIES. WE'VE GOTTA STIPULATE THAT, UM, WHILE THERE IS THIS COMBO PLATTER OF VISUAL STUDIES, UH, IN THE CUP LANGUAGE THAT SAYS THIS, THIS IS ALL GONNA HELP US GET, THIS IS ALL GONNA HELP US GET TO UNDERSTANDING WHETHER THERE'S A, WHETHER THERE'S AN IMPACT TO THE EXISTING AREA. UM, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING ADDED THAT THE CITY STAFF AND THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS SHOULD BE THE ONES THAT HAVE TO PINPOINT THE REQUIRED VIEWPOINTS THAT THEY PICK. WHERE THESE, WHERE THESE VANTAGE POINTS ARE, UM, NOT THE, NOT THE DEVELOPER, UM, PERHAPS FOR EVEN LARGE PROJECTS. I THINK I'VE HEARD MENTIONED MAYBE I THINK COUNCIL COUNCILMAN SHRIVES AT ONE POINT SAID MAYBE WE COULD HAVE DRIVE-BY VIDEO SIMULATIONS, UM, TO REALLY SHOW WHAT WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE GOING THROUGH DOWNTOWN. UM, SPECIFIC SHADOW STUDY REQUIREMENTS ARE ALREADY CALLED OUT, UH, AS WELL AS REQUIREMENTS FOR IMAGES TO SHOW THE NEXT PROPOSED BUILDING IN A, THE, THE, THE PROPOSED BUILDING IN A WIDER CONTEXT OF THE NEIGHBOR OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO YOU STILL WITH ME, LET'S GO TO THE SECOND SET OF CUP FINDINGS THAT GO FROM 60 TO 75 FEET. THESE ARE DEFINED AS COMMUNITY BENEFITS. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT WHICH OF THESE SEVEN, UH, OF WHICH YOU ONLY HAVE TO GET THREE SO FAR. UH, WHICH OF THESE ARE REALLY COMMUNITY BENEFITS, OR ARE THEY NOT COMMUNITY BENEFITS? UM, I AGREE WITH MAYOR MCDONALD. IT'S A SHAME THAT EXCEPTIONAL ARCHITECTURE IS CONSIDERED AN OPTIONAL COMMUNITY BENEFIT HERE. I THINK, FRANKLY, THAT EXCEPTIONAL ARCHITECTURE SHOULD BE A MANDATORY CUP FINDING IN THE DOWNTOWN OVERLAY, GIVEN ITS PROMINENT LOCATION IN AND AROUND HISTORIC DOWNTOWN IN, IN THE ABSENCE OF A COMPREHENSIVE UPDATED DESIGN STANDARDS. AND IN THE ABSENCE OF BEING ABLE TO BRING BACK A SPECIFIC DESIGN REVIEW BOARD, EXCEPTIONAL ARCHITECTURE NEEDS MORE SPECIFIC CONSIDERATION. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT THOSE ARE. LET'S TALK ABOUT ALL, LET'S TALK ABOUT EXCEPTIONAL ARCHITECTURE, AND WHY DO YOU ONLY NEED TO HAVE, UH, ONE OF THESE FIVE, ONE OF THESE FIVE PATHS IN ORDER TO EARN THAT BADGE OF EXCEPTIONAL ARCHITECTURE? AND ARE THESE, ARE THESE REALLY, ARE THESE REALLY COMMUNITY BENEFITS? [03:20:01] OKAY. SO PATH ONE MUST HAVE INNOVATIVE, CREATIVE, OR ORIGINAL ARCHITECTURAL CONCEPTS, MATERIALS OR BUILDING TECHNIQUES. THIS IS KIND OF VAGUE AND SUBJECTIVE HERE. UM, MAYBE WE SHOULD ADD SOME EXAMPLES THAT MIGHT HELP DEFINE THE PATH. MAYBE WE NEED TO INCORPORATE VIEWS TO THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT OR EMPLOY CREATIVE ARTICULATION OF FORM AND VOLUME OR UPCYCLED TRADITIONAL ARCHITECTURAL STYLES TO PROMOTE HARMONY. THE, THERE'S, THERE'S LOTS OF EXAMPLES THAT COULD BE PUT IN HERE. UM, TO, TO HELP, TO HELP BRACKET AND DEFINE PATH. TWO VISUAL ELEMENTS THAT CONTRIBUTE POSITIVELY TO THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT, SUCH AS WELL PROPORTION, FACADES PLEASING MATERIALS AND UNIQUE FEATURES. UM, WHAT ARE THOSE UNIQUE FEATURES? YOU KNOW, COULD THEY BE A VARIATION IN THE DEPTH OF THE FACADE? UM, COULD THEY BE, UH, INCORPORATION OF DIFFERENT TEXTURES? RIGHT? AND PATH THREE, INNOVATIVE BUILDING SYSTEMS OR CREATIVE DESIGN THAT INCREASES BUILDING EFFICIENCY AND REDUCES ENERGY CONSUMPTION. SO INCREASED BUILDING EFFICIENCY AND REDUCED ENERGY CONSUMPTION ARE KIND OF INCORPORATED IN OUR BUILDING CODE. SO DOES THAT MAKE THAT A COMMUNITY BENEFIT OR IS THAT JUST LOW HANGING FRUIT? SAME GOES FOR PATH FOUR MUST HAVE LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT AND GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE FEATURES IN SUSTAINABLE DESIGN AND LANDSCAPING. WELL, SUSTAINABLE DESIGN AND LANDSCAPING ELEMENTS ARE CERTAINLY INCORPORATED IN OUR BUILDING CODE. AGAIN, DOES THAT MAKE IT A COMMUNITY BENEFIT OR IS THAT ANOTHER LOW HANGING FRUIT PATH? FIVE HIGH QUALITY BUILDING MATERIALS THAT CONTRIBUTE TO LONG TERM DURABILITY AND VISUAL QUALITY? WELL, I WOULD THINK THAT BY THE TIME YOU GOT AROUND TO THE CUP PROCESS, YOU WOULD HAVE, UM, YOU WOULD HAVE SOME PHYSICAL SAMPLES OF MATERIAL SAMPLES TO LOOK AT. UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST ITEM ONE, EXCEPTIONAL ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN. AND AGAIN, I THINK THIS SHOULD BE MANDATORY. I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE, I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE AN OPTIONAL, UH, AN OPTIONAL THING. POTENTIAL COMMUNITY BENEFITS TWO THROUGH SEVEN. WELL, NUMBER TWO IS I THINK AN EX EXAMPLE OF A WELL-DEFINED COMMUNITY BENEFIT, AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT IMPROVES THE EXISTING STREET SCAPE WALKWAYS, EOS, PUBLIC PLAZAS, ET CETERA. PERFECT. LOT OF, LOT OF DEFINITION IN THAT. UM, NUMBER THREE, UH, PROVIDE PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE PRIVATE OPEN SPACE SUCH AS A STREET LEVEL PARK OR A ROOFTOP OPEN SPACE. UH, IT SAYS HERE, THE LATEST VERSION SAYS, NO, I TAKE THAT BACK. YEAH, THE LATEST VERSION SAYS EIGHT HOURS A DAY AND AT LEAST 120 DAYS A YEAR. UM, AND THEN I CAN NOTE THAT THIS WAS ORIGINALLY IN THE CUPS 12 HOURS A DAY IN 260 DAYS A YEAR. SO WHY ONLY 120 DAYS A YEAR? W IF, IF BEING PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE ONLY FOUR MONTHS A YEAR OR TWO DAYS A WEEK ALL YEAR IS, IT'S HARD TO CLASSIFY THAT AS A TRUE COMMUNITY BENEFIT. UM, RESPECT AND PRESERVE CULTURAL, HISTORICAL, ARCHEOLOGICAL RESOURCES. THIS IS, THIS WAS ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IN THE FIRST PART OF THE GET YOU UP TO 60 FEET. SO I DON'T, I'M NOT GONNA GO THERE. UM, AND THESE, THIS ONE WAS, BRIAN TALKED ABOUT THESE EXCEED THE MINIMUM NUMBER OF REQUIRED INCLUSIONARY DWELLING UNITS. AND I AGREE, JUST TICKING IT UP BY ONE IS, UH, THAT SEEMS LIKE TOO LOW OF A BAR, THAT IN ORDER TO COUNT AS A COMMUNITY BENEFIT, SHOULDN'T THE NUMBER OF INCLUSIONARY UNITS BE EX BE EXCEEDED BY A PARTICULAR PERCENT? SAME GOES FOR THE MINIMUM NUMBER OF REQUIRED BICYCLE PARKING SPACES, UM, IN ORDER TO COUNT AS A COMMUNITY BENEFIT, SHOULD IT BE 10% MORE? WHAT, WHAT'S RATHER THAN JUST ONE ADDITIONAL, HOW AM I DOING ON TIME? THAT WAS NINE. OH MAN. DAMN. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OUR NEXT SPEAKER'S, TAMARA NORMAN TO BE FOLLOWED BY JANE HAMILTON. I MANAGED TO NOT HAVE MY NOTES, UM, AND MY GLASSES, SO SORRY FOR THE SUNGLASSES. UM, SO MUCH TIME HAS BEEN SPENT, UM, FROM STAFF AND FROM EVERYBODY JUST THINKING AND DEALING WITH THIS. UM, I AM NOT AGAINST A HOTEL DOWNTOWN, AND I'M ALSO NOT AGAINST AN OVERLAY. UH, I AM DEEPLY DISTURBED BY THE PROCESS THAT HAS HAPPENED, AND IT SEEMS TO BE CONTINUING TO HAPPEN HOW WE GOT THIS SCATTERSHOT, FRAGMENTED SECTIONS OF TOWN THAT WE ARE ANALYZING BACK AND FORTH AND SHIFTING AND TALKING ABOUT MINUTIA INSTEAD [03:25:01] OF VISION. AND SO WHEN SOMEBODY MENTIONED VISION, THAT TO ME IS KIND OF A KEY THING. WHAT IS THE VISION? WHY AREN'T WE LOOKING AT THIS AS PART OF A WHOLE? AND WHY ARE WE LOOKING AT IT LIKE THREE SCATTERED BLOCKS, RIGHT? BECAUSE HOW CAN WE DETERMINE WHAT HAPPENS THERE AND THE BENEFITS OF WHAT HAPPENS THERE IF WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE BIG PICTURE? SO I'M TRYING TO FIGURE ALL THIS OUT AND I'M LIKE, OKAY, WELL WHAT, WHO, WHO ELSE, WHAT OTHER CITIES? YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY HAS GOT TO HAVE DONE THIS, OKAY, CITY OF NAPA ARCHER HOTEL, 75 FEET TALL ROOFTOP DECK. IF YOU WANNA KNOW WHAT ONE LOOKS LIKE, GO THERE, BOTTOMLESS MIMOSAS, YOU KNOW, GO THERE, YOU'LL GET AN IDEA. HOW DID, SO HOW DID NAPA DO THAT? RIGHT. THEY HAD A VERY PROLONGED PROCESS. IT WAS INCORPORATED INTO THEIR SPECIFIC PLAN, 210 ACRES. THEY LOOKED AT ALL 210 ACRES AT THE SAME TIME. THEY HAD A HISTORIC RESOURCE. THEY IDENTIFIED EVERY BUILDING. THEY HAD PLANS. THEY HAVE CITY PARKING LOTS, THEY HAVE FLOODPLAIN IN THE OXBOW. THEY HAVE, UM, SURFACE PARKING AREAS, AND THEY HAVE A BUILDING FORM OVERLAY. THEY HAVE THREE SECTIONS OF BUILDING FORM OVERLAY. NOW, WHAT'S CURIOUS IS OUR BUILDING FORM OVERLAY TALKS ABOUT INCENTIVES. THEIRS TALKS ABOUT HOW EACH ZONE HAS BEEN CREATED TO PROVIDE FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS APPROPRIATE FOR NEIGHBORHOOD CONTEXT. THEY ALSO SAY THE BUILDING FORM ZONES ENSURE THAT THE SCALE AND CHARACTER OF NEW BUILDINGS AND ADDITIONS, AS WELL AS SUBSTANTIAL ALTERATIONS TO EXISTING BUILDINGS, WILL BE COMPATIBLE WITH THEIR SURROUNDINGS REGARDLESS OF LAND USE. NOW THIS IS VISION. THIS IS NOT TELLING SOMEBODY LIKE, YOU CAN MAKE MORE MONEY ON YOUR PARCEL. NAPA DID AN OVERALL VISION AND IN 2012, THEIR SPECIFICS PLAN WAS APPROVED. AND IN 2015, I BELIEVE THE, UM, ARCHER HOTEL SUBMITTED A PROPOSAL. SO THEIRS WAS PART OF A LARGER PROCESS. AND WHAT I DON'T GET IS WHY WE ARE PIECEMEALING THIS AND NOT LOOKING AT THIS AS A WHOLE. THANK YOU. UH, NEXT BAKER STAIN HAMILTON TO BE FOLLOWED BY KIM WHEELER. SO THIS IS REALLY THE FIRST TIME THAT THE COUNCIL HAS GOTTEN THEIR HANDS ON THIS. AND THIS COULD BE THE BEGINNING OF A NEGOTIATION BETWEEN EKN AND THE COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC AND THE STAFF. AND I ENCOURAGE YOU TO TAKE THAT APPROACH, UH, RATHER THAN TRYING TO, UH, DEAL WITH THE MINUTIAE OF, YOU KNOW, THE DETAILS FIRST, BUT TO, UM, TAKE A STEP BACK AND CONSIDER WHAT'S WORTH DOING AND WHAT ISN'T. TO ME, THE NEED FOR THE OVERLAY IS CLEARLY TO ACCOMMODATE EK N'S PREFERRED BUILDING DESIGN. AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THE OVERLAY IS ABOUT. I, YOU KNOW, THE 40 PAGE STAFF REPORT MAKES THAT REALLY CLEAR. UM, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY TAILORED TO IMPROVE OR INCENTIVIZE DEVELOPMENT IN DOWNTOWN. THAT'S ADDED IN AS AN AFTERTHOUGHT. BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE KNEW WE REALLY NEED AND THAT WE NEED THESE, THE, THE HEIGHT LIMIT TO MAKE, TO ACCOMPLISH THAT, TO INCENTIVIZE DEVELOPMENT IN DOWNTOWN, WE NEED TO GATHER MORE DATA ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE NOW AND TO DEFINE OUR GREATEST HISTORIC ASSETS AND DO A PROPER JOB ON THAT. AND TO IDENTIFY WHAT WE'RE MISSING IN TERMS OF HOUSING AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND IDENTIFY HOW BEST TO ATTRACT THAT. AND THEN DESIGN ZONING CHANGES THAT WILL HELP FACILITATE THAT WITH A LOT MORE INFORMATION. THERE'S AN UNSUPPORTED ASSUMPTION THAT INCREASING THE HEIGHT LIMIT IN THE THREE ZONES WILL INCENTIVIZE DEVELOPMENT INCREASING. THE HEIGHT LIMIT IS, IS TO SERVE THE NEEDS OF THE HOTEL. AND WE HAVEN'T THERE, THAT ASSUMPTION ISN'T SUPPORTED ABOUT WHY WE NEED TO HAVE THIS HEIGHT LIMIT. UM, IT NEEDS TO BE PROVEN BEFORE THAT STEP'S TAKEN. SO MANY RESIDENTS IN AND AROUND THE DOWNTOWN DO NOT WANT AN INCREASED HEIGHT, LIMIT HEIGHT IN THIS AREA. AND SPECIFICALLY HAVE TRIED IN MANY WAYS TO MAKE THIS CLEAR TO DECISION MAKERS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT PEOPLE HAVE TO DO TO MAKE IT MORE CLEAR HOW THE RESIDENTS FEEL AND IF THAT [03:30:01] REALLY COUNTS. BUT BECAUSE THE OVERLAY POLICY IS DEFINED BY THE NEEDS OF THE HOTEL AND THE HOTEL'S PREFERRED DESIGN, IT'S HARD TO SEPARATE THE TWO. BUT PLEASE CONSIDER DOING JUST THAT. SEPARATE THEM. THEY DON'T NEED TO BE CONJOINED AS TWINS. RIGHT? THE FAR FOR THE OVERLAY IS TO ACCOMMODATE THE HOTEL'S DESIRE FOR THE DENSITY THEY WANT FOR THEIR PROJECT TO WORK. AS IT'S DESIGNED, IT'S RECOMMENDED TO GO FROM 2.5 FLOOR AREA RATIO AS IT IS NOW TO 6.0, WHICH IS WHAT GIVES US THAT PACKED BUILDING FORM THAT THE HOTEL DESIGN HAS. NOW, THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE RECOMMENDS INCREASING THE FAR FOR, THAT'S MY THREE MINUTES. THAT'S REALLY TOO BAD. WHAT? PICKING UP MY TIME. OKAY. CAN WE DO THAT? AND, UH, WE, DO YOU HAVE A CARD IN THE QUEUE? I'LL PUT IT IN. THANK YOU. PLEASE CONTINUE. I HAVE TO TALK FASTER. YOU'RE DOING GREAT. OKAY. SO THE FAR GOES FROM 2.5 TO SIX. THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE RECOMMENDS INCREASING THE FAR TO FOR URBAN CORE AND STATIONARY MIXED USE TO FOUR. THERE'S NO NOWHERE IS THERE AN FAR OF SIX BEING PROPOSED IN THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE. SO THIS WOULD JUST BE FOR THIS LITTLE PERIOD OF TIME, BECAUSE THIS IS REALLY JUST FOR THE HOTEL, BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT THE HOTEL WANTS FOR THEIR DESIGN. THE REASON THE HOTEL NEEDS SIX STORIES IS BECAUSE OF THE UNDERGROUND PARKING. IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO, IF THEY WEREN'T HAVING THAT, THEY COULD HAVE A FOUR STORY HOTEL AND APPLY FOR A VARIANCE FOR A ROOFTOP BAR ON A, ON THE FOUR STORY HOTEL AND DO AWAY WITH THE OVERLAY UNTIL MORE IN DEPTH POLICY DEVELOPMENT IS ABLE TO BE CONDUCTED REGARDING INCENTIVIZING INFILL DEVELOPMENT DOWNTOWN. ALTERNATIVELY, YOU COULD ALSO JUST CUT LOOSE, YOU KNOW, ZONE B AND C AND SHRINK ZONE A DOWN TO THE ONE LOT OR THE THREE LOTS THAT THE HOTEL WOULD BE OCCUPYING. UM, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT SOLUTION AND IT WOULD MAKE A LOT OF PEOPLE HAPPY. AND THEN WE CAN ALL ENGAGE IN THE GENERAL PLAN AND WORK ON WHAT WE ALL WANNA ENVISION AND WORK ON A VISION FOR THE DOWNTOWN. THE RULES OF THE OVERLAY NEED MUCH FURTHER POLICY DEVELOPMENT AND DISCUSSION. AND THIS CAN BEST BE HANDLED IN THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE. WE REALLY DO NOT WANNA BE FLYING THE PLANE AS IT'S BEING BUILT AS ONE STAFF MEMBER RECENTLY DESCRIBED THE PROCESS. LET'S FINISH BUILDING IT FIRST. AND I JUST WANNA EMPHASIZE SINCE I HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME, THE, UM, SOME THINGS THAT, UH, CATHERINE REIN AND BILL CATHERINE AND BILL REINHARDT WROTE TO YOU, UH, THAT SEEMED EXTREMELY VITAL AND IMPORTANT TO ME, UH, THAT ASKING FOR A DETAILED AND COMPREHENSIVE HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY AND IN INVENTORY AND THAT WHAT'S BEEN PREPARED TO DATE IS A WINDSHIELDS SURVEY AT BEST. AND THAT WE NEED SOMETHING IN MUCH HIGHER QUALITY. AND WE, I AGREE WITH THAT, AND A HISTORIC CONTEXT STATEMENT FOR THE ENTIRE DOWNTOWN AREA. AND THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT AND UPDATED DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT NOT ONLY GUIDE DESIGN PROFESSIONALS, BUT ALSO GIVE PETALUMA THE TOOLS TO OBJECTIVELY EVALUATE PROPOSED PROJECTS OF THE SCALE AND INTENSITY ALLOWED UNDER THE OVERLAY. SO I'M JUST CALLING YOUR ATTENTION TO THEIR COMMENTS, UM, AND ESPECIALLY CATHERINE'S AS A OUR TOWN HISTORIAN. THAT'S ALL. GOOD LUCK. THANK YOU, UH, KIM WHEELER TO BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, TOM, LED LEWIS. LEWIS, SORRY. HI, GOOD EVENING. UM, I REALLY AM IMPRESSED THAT ALL THE TIME THAT YOU ALL TAKE IN READING THIS AND THE INFORMATION THAT YOU BRING, UM, I FEEL SILLY COMING UP AND NOT BEING AS PREPARED, UM, AS THAT. BUT, UM, SO I AM A NATIVE PET OF THE MOON. UM, BUT AS I SAID, LAST TIME I CAME IN, I DID TAKE OVER AS OWNER OF SUGO TRIA, UM, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE WHERE THE EKN WANTS TO GO IN. UM, I ALSO HAVE, YOU KNOW, BEING WHERE I'M AT AND THE RESTAURANT AND THE PEOPLE THAT IT DRAWS IN, UM, I GET TO HAVE A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS WITH MANY DIFFERENT PEOPLE. PEOPLE FROM THE TOWN, PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING IN AND VISITING. UM, AND THE COMMON THREAD I HEAR IS THE REASON THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY JUST RECENTLY MOVED TO TOWN WAS I CAME IN, I JUST LOVED THE CHARM [03:35:01] AND I LOVED OUR, THE DOWNTOWN AND EVERYTHING THAT IT BRINGS TO IT. UM, THE PEOPLE THAT COME IN TO VISIT, IT'S THE SAME THING, WHAT OUR, WHAT OUR DOWNTOWN ALREADY HAS. UM, AND I JUST THINK THAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO FOCUS ON THAT AND EMBRACE IT. UM, I'M NEVER AGAINST PROCESSES AND EVOLUTIONS AND THINGS CHANGING, UM, BUT TO ME THIS HOTEL IS SUCH A DRASTIC CHANGE AND IT'S A DRASTIC TAKEAWAY FROM WHAT IS ALREADY THERE, UM, THAT IT DOESN'T FOLLOW WITH WHY PEOPLE HAVE COME HERE TO LIVE OR WHY PEOPLE COME HERE TO VISIT. UM, OUR TOURIST INDUSTRY IN THIS TOWN I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT TO OUR, UM, ECONOMY, UM, AND TO THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE HERE. SO I REALLY HOPE THAT YOU TAKE THAT PORTION OF IT. UM, THE PARKING PART OF IT, UM, I WAS LISTENING IN MY CAR AS I WAS LIKE DOING SOME THINGS AND I KEEP HEARING LIKE, YOU KNOW, THIS 58 SPOTS EXCEEDS WHAT IS ALLOWED OR WHAT IS EXPECTED OF THIS HOTEL. AND I KNOW YOU CAN'T ANSWER MY QUESTIONS WHILE I'M HEARING PUBLIC COMMENT, AND THAT DRIVES ME CRAZY. BUT, UM, IS THAT JUST FOR THE ROOMS? BECAUSE THAT CAN'T BE FOR THE 150 PERSON RESTAURANT. IT CAN'T BE FOR THE EVENT CENTER THAT'S ON THE FIFTH FLOOR. THAT CAN'T ALSO BE FOR THE ROOFTOP. YOU KNOW, THAT CAN'T ALL ENCOMPASS ALL OF THOSE THINGS. AND YES, THE PEOPLE STAYING IN THE HOTEL ARE GONNA GO TO THE RESTAURANT AND ALL THESE THINGS THAT CAN'T BE. AND ALSO A COMMON THREAD THAT I GET IN CONVERSATIONS IS HOW HARD PEOPLE HAVE A TIME OF GETTING PARKING AT NIGHTTIME WHEN WE HAVE ALL THESE WONDERFUL RESTAURANTS AND EVENTS AND EVERYTHING. AND WHEN THE DOWNTOWN SHUTS DOWN FOR LIKE BUTTER AND EGGS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, IS THE HOTEL GONNA HAVE AN INFLUENCE ON WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN DO THAT ANYMORE? BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA AFFECT THEIR BUSINESS? SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU TOM LEWIS TO BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, TOM GAFFNEY. YES, TOM LEWIS PETALUMA, HISTORIC ADVOCATES, HONORABLE MAYOR COUNCIL. THE TONIGHT'S AGENDA STATES THAT NO SIGNIFICANT AND UNAVOIDABLE IMPACTS WOULD RESULT FROM THE PROJECT REFERENCING THE HOTEL. THAT POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS DUE TO THE PROJECT CAN BE REDUCED TO LESS THAN SIGNIFICANT LEVELS WITH MITIGATION. THE OPPOSED THE PROPOSED. THE PROPOSED OVERLAY OVERLAPS THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IN TWO PLACES, INCLUDING THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AT TWO PETALUMA BOULEVARD SOUTH AND REX HARDWARE AT THREE 13 B STREET, AREA A AND CHASE BANK PROPERTY AT 1 0 1 WESTERN AVENUE, AREA B, IF APPROVED, THE CURRENT OVERLAY WILL OPEN THE DOOR FOR 72 FOOT TALL BUILDINGS TO BE DEVELOPED WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, ADJACENT TO HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT PROPERTIES LIKE REX HARDWARE. THE DRAFT EIR STATES THAT REX HARDWARE IS NO LONGER OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE DUE TO THE MATERIALS THAT WERE USED FOR REHABILITATION AFTER THE FIRE. HOWEVER, THIS STATEMENT IS FALSE. REX HARDWARE HAS NOT BEEN REMOVED FROM THE NATIONAL HISTORIC REGISTER AS A SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTOR TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND THE MATERIALS USED THERE ARE CONSISTENT WITH STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION BY THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE. SO TO ME AND MANY OTHERS, THIS DOES NOT SOUND LIKE LESS THAN SIGNIFICANT MITIGATION, SPECIFIC DESIGN STANDARDS AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT GUIDELINES NEED TO INCLUDE IMPACTS TO HISTORIC RESOURCES IN OUR DOWNTOWN. IF PETALUMA'S MOST VALUABLE RESOURCE IS ITS HISTORIC DOWNTOWN, WE NEED TO SURVIVE THE FUTURE BY USING SIGNIFICANT NOT LESS THAN SIGNIFICANT STANDARDS THAT WILL INCLUDE THOUGHTFUL URBAN PLANNING. THE OVERLAY SHOULD NOT BE OUT IN FRONT OF THE GENERAL PLAN. RATHER, THE OVERLAY SHOULD BE A COMPONENT OF THE GENERAL PLAN, WHICH IS STILL IN THE LATE PLANNING STAGES. WHY IS THE OVERLAY PROPOSAL BY THE NEWPORT BEACH APPLICANT NECESSARY? WHY NOT CONSIDER THE APPLICANT'S ORIGINAL APPLICATION WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF CURRENT BUILDING GUIDELINES FOR PETALUMA AND APPLY CONDITIONAL USAGE TO HEIGHT AND VARIANCE FOR ABOVE FOUR STORIES AND MAYBE A ROOFTOP BAR. THIS LEAVES THE DOOR OPEN FOR [03:40:01] PETALUMA TO DEVELOP A ROBUST GENERAL PLAN THAT INCLUDES ECONOMIC AND HOUSING INCENTIVES AND A COMPROMISE WITH A CONCERNED PUBLIC. PLEASE LOOK TOWARDS THE PUBLIC'S COMMENTS, SEE IT AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE THE BEST OUTCOME FOR PETALUMA. I THINK YOU CAN DO THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU TOM GAFFEY TO BE FOLLOWED BY MAUREEN SHAW. HELLO. UM, SO LET'S DO A LITTLE HISTORIC SURVEY. UM, BUILDINGS BUILT 50 YEARS AGO THAT PEOPLE HATED AND STILL HATE. THAT WOULD BE THE B OF A BUILDING AT THE CORNER OF PUM BOULEVARD AND, UH, WASHINGTON STREET. AND NOW IT'S A WHITE ELEPHANT. THE AT T SQUARE ON LIBERTY STREET. MY, THAT'S A GORGEOUS BUILDING TO LOOK AT EVERY DAY. I WALK BY IT EVERY DAY AND IT STILL SUCKS. UM, THE PHOENIX THEATER IS MY BEST FRIEND, BUT I WOULD NEVER BUILD A THEATER LIKE THAT. IT'S GONNA START COSTING ME A THOUSAND DOLLARS A MONTH TO HEAT THAT BUILDING. WHAT IT TAKES ME TO PUT A SOUND SYSTEM IN THERE AND TO MAKE IT SOUND RIGHT, COST US THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. THE FLY AREA THAT WE DO NOT USE, WHICH TAKES US TO, UH, I THINK 68 FEET WE NEVER USE. IT'S NOT PRACTICAL IN TODAY'S USE. I GO INTO OUR MOVIE THEATER AND I'M SO JEALOUS OF HOW COMFORTABLE YOU CAN MAKE A SMALLER, TIGHTER BUILDING. SO, AS WELL AS, AS MUCH AS I LOVE MY BEST FRIEND, THE PHOENIX THEATER, IT WAS BUILT 120 YEARS AGO THIS DECEMBER 6TH. AND WHEN I'M OUT CLEANING THE STREETS AND WA AND SWEEPING THE SIDEWALKS AND RAKING THE LEAVES ON A COLD WINTER AND FALL AFTERNOON, THERE IS NO SUNNY SIDE OF THE STREET. AND THAT'S JUST AT 45 FEET. THAT WOULD BEFORE BE BEFORE ANY OF THE GRADUATIONS WOULD BEGIN. SO YES, 45 FOOT BUILDING DOES TAKE AWAY SUNLIGHT, AND IT DOES TAKE AWAY SUNSETS. ANYWHERE WHERE YOU SEE A SHADOW IN THE AFTERNOON, YOU'RE STEALING SOMEBODY'S SUNSET. SO THAT'S ABOUT IT. EVERYTHING ELSE EVERYBODY'S SAID HERE IS EXACTLY CORRECT. IT FEELS LIKE THERE'S A VERY SMALL GROUP OF PEOPLE TRYING TO SELL US ON AN OVERLAY STOP. DON'T SELL US OUT TO A DEVELOPER FOR A HOTEL SPOT. ZONE IT, IF YOU MUST. BUT DON'T SELL OUT THE DOWNTOWN FOR THIS THING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS MAUREEN GOTTCHA, AND TO BE FOLLOWED BY NICOLA FRY. GOOD EVENING. THE OVERLAY THAT WAS UP FOR CONSIDERATION HAS COST THE TAXPAYERS OF PETALUMA SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY AND CONTINUES TO COST US. AND IT IS COMPLETELY PREMATURE. CITY COUNCIL SHOULD REQUEST THE CITY TO FOCUS ON COMPLETING THE GENERAL PLAN, SET UP A COMMITTEE TO PROVIDE BUILDING GUIDELINES TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, ESTABLISH AN ARCHITECT REVIEW BOARD, AND STREAMLINE BUSINESS PERMITS FOR SMALL BUSINESSES IMMEDIATELY. IF WE ARE GOING TO BUILD FOR OUR FUTURE, WE NEED TO HAVE A SOLID FOUNDATION TO ASSIST IN MAKING THOSE DECISIONS AND ENCOURAGE SMALL BUSINESSES TO THRIVE. REGARDING THE PROPOSAL FOR THE SIX STORY TO HOTEL, I'M OPPOSED TO THE INCREASED FLOORS OVER THE CURRENT ZONING. A SMALL BOUTIQUE HOTEL FOR FOUR STORIES, OR LAURA, FOR EXAMPLE, CONSISTENT WITH THE EL DORADO HOTEL IN SONOMA. AND THE HEALDSBURG HOTEL IN HEALDSBURG IS MORE APPROPRIATE FOR A DOWNTOWN AREA. THE PETALUMA'S HERITAGE IS PART OF WHAT ATTRACTS VISITORS WITH A LARGE HOTEL AND RESTAURANT. IT WILL DWARF EVERYTHING THAT IS AROUND IT. THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS WOULD BE IMPACTED BY INCREASED TRAFFIC AND THAT FOR THE ADDITIONAL PARKING TO SUPPORT THE HOTEL GUEST VISITORS AND HOTEL STAFFING. EVEN WITH THE PROPOSED UNDERGROUND GARAGE TWO WEEKS AGO, I SAT OUTSIDE THE SUGO RESTAURANT ON A FRIDAY FOR DINNER AROUND 6:00 PM I WATCHED TRAFFIC CRAWLING ON B STREET AND THE BOULEVARD. I SAW A FIRETRUCK ON ITS WAY TO A CALL TRYING TO GET THROUGH ALL THAT TRAFFIC. AND NOW YOU'RE ADDING A LARGE HOTEL AT THE CORNER AND YOU ARE INVITING ABSOLUTE GRIDLOCK. THE DRAFT ER DID NOT EVEN ADDRESS THE TRAFFIC AND PARKING THAT WOULD BE ADDED, AN ALREADY SIGNIFICANTLY CONGESTED AREA. GIVEN THE RECENT BANK BANKRUPTCIES OF VINTAGE WINE ESTATES. AND THE BROADER CONCERN ABOUT THE WINE INDUSTRY FUTURE REMAINING FLAT WITH INFLATION, INVESTING IN A LARGE HIGH-END HOTEL WITH 400 TO 500 PER NIGHT ROOMS SEEMS RISKY. SONOMA COUNTY'S AVERAGE HOTEL OCCUPANCY RATE IS 60% [03:45:01] WITH A MEDIAN ROOM PRICE OF $212. I'M EXTREMELY CONCERNED THAT THE HOTEL WOULD BE ABLE TO EVEN MAINTAIN THE CURRENT OCCUPANCY RATE. MOST LARGE HIGH-END HOTELS IN SONOMA COUNTY OFFER MANY AMENITIES TO ATTRACT THEIR CUSTOMERS, SUCH AS VINEYARDS, SPAS, POOLS, AND HOT SPRINGS. DUE TO THE LOT SIZE, THIS HOTEL WOULD BE LIMITED IN THE ADDITIONAL AMENITIES THAT THEY CAN OFFER TO THEIR CUSTOMERS, WHICH WILL ALSO FACTOR INTO ITS ABILITY TO COMPETE WITH THE OTHER LARGE HIGH-END HOTELS IN THE AREA. THIS IS ALSO WHY THE SMALL BOUTIQUE HOTEL WITH THE LIMITED AMENITIES, IS A BETTER FIT FOR THE SPACE. IT'LL ATTRACT THE CLIENTELE THAT WANTS THE SMALL TOWN FEEL THAT PETAL IS KNOWN FOR AT A MODERATE HOTEL RATE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NICOLA FRY TO BE FOLLOWED BY VERONICA OLSON. HELLO. UM, I'M ON THE SENIOR ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT THERE'S ONE THING I WANNA SAY ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE NEED FOR DESIGN CONTROL AND DESIGN INPUT. UM, WE REALLY TRIED TO GET THAT TO BE AN, AN INTEGRAL PART OF THIS WHOLE OVERLAY AND HOTEL THING. UM, BUT THERE'S AN EASY SOLUTION. THE DE THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS HAD AD HOC COMMITTEES PREVIOUSLY, AND IT CAN HAVE ANOTHER AD HOC COMMITTEE BY INCLUDING AN ARCHITECT OR A DESIGN ENGINEER OR A PLANNER, SOMEBODY WHO HAS KNOWLEDGE ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING. THE OTHER THING I WANNA TALK ABOUT IS I'VE DONE THREE NON-SCIENTIFIC TRAFFIC STUDIES DOWNTOWN. FIRST ONE HAPPENED ON SEPTEMBER 28TH, SECOND ONE OCTOBER 18TH, WHICH WAS A FRIDAY. AND THE THIRD ONE WAS ALSO A SATURDAY ON NOVEMBER 8TH. UM, THE FIRST ONE STARTED JUST BY PURE LUCK. I LEFT A PARTY THAT I'D DONE THE CATERING FOR AND I HAD TO GO FROM H STREET DOWN THE BOULEVARD TO CORONA. SO I WAS GOING THROUGH TOWN AND I WAS LIKE, WOW, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL DAY. IT WAS SUNNY, IT WAS BRIGHT, IT WAS EVENING, IT WAS SEVEN 30. THERE WERE PEOPLE ALL OVER TOWN. IT WAS GORGEOUS. I, IT'S THE TOWN I LIVE IN. AND WHAT I SAW WAS ZERO PARKING AVAILABLE. I LOOKED IN EACH OF THE THREE PARKING GARAGES AND THE, AND THE, A STREET PARKING AREA, THE KELLER STREET, AND THE THEATER SQUARE. I DROVE ALL THE STREETS DOWNTOWN. IN TOTAL, I FOUND SEVEN PARKING SPOTS THAT INCLUDES ALL THE PARKING GARAGES, THE A STREET PARKING AREA, AND ALL OF DOWNTOWN SEVEN PARKING SPOTS AT SEVEN 30 IN THE EVENING. UM, I HAD THE SAME PROBLEM ON OCTOBER 18TH, I JUST DECIDED TO COME DOWNTOWN. THIS TIME I MADE A FRIEND DRIVE ME SO I COULD REALLY COUNT WHERE THE PARKING SPOTS WERE AND HOW MANY THERE WERE AND THERE WEREN'T. BUT IT CHANGED ON NOVEMBER 8TH, AND I WONDERED WHY THERE WERE MORE PARKING SPOTS. ALL OF A SUDDEN, NOVEMBER 8TH IS RIGHT AFTER THE TIME CHANGE. IT'S FIVE O'CLOCK IN THE EVENING. IT'S DARK, IT'S COLD, IT'S NOT AS MUCH FUN GOING DOWNTOWN. SO THERE WERE SOME MORE PARKING SPOTS, NOT A LOT, BUT THERE WERE MORE. IT'S BEEN SUGGESTED BY BRIAN THAT THEY'RE GOING TO NEW AND DO A NEW TRAFFIC SURVEY. IT'S THE WRONG TIME OF THE YEAR TO REALLY KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING. IT'S THE WRONG TIME OF THE DAY TO KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING. IT'S GONNA BE DARK WHEN KAREN'S ASKED FOR SOME INFORMATION ABOUT OTHER TIMES OF THE DAY AND NIGHT WHEN TRAFFIC IS. SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET ACCURATE INFORMATION. WHAT YOU'RE GONNA GET IS INFORMATION THAT'S NOT GONNA BE VIABLE. THANK YOU. VERONICA OLSON TO BE FOLLOWED BY LARRY JONAS. HI, GOOD EVENING COUNSEL. COMMUNITY STAFF. UM, I JUST WANTED TO, UM, ECHO THE COMMENTS, UM, FROM LYDIA LY ON HER ANALYSIS OF THE CUP. I THINK THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT POINT THAT, UM, IS INTEGRAL INTO THE WHOLE IDEA OF WHERE DESIGN STARTS AND WHERE IT ENDS. SO CUP IS NOT WHERE DESIGN STARTS. A DESIGN STARTS AT THE BEGINNING OF A PROJECT, THE INTENTION AND THE SUPPORT FOR THAT. SO, UM, YEAH, REALLY IMPORTANT STUFF ON THE CUP. THE OTHER THING IS, UH, JANE HAMILTON'S COMMENTS ON THE PROCESS TO DATE AND BEING ABLE TO SEPARATE THE TWO DIFFERENT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE HOTEL AND, AND THE ACTUAL OVERLAY [03:50:01] ITSELF. AND I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO ECHO BILL AND CATHERINE RYAN HART'S COMMENTS. UM, IT'S TRUE, WE DO NEED A DESIGN REVIEW IN PETALUMA. I THINK, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE FALLING SHORT ON A LOT OF PROJECTS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A DESIGN REVIEW WITH ARCHITECTS AND DESIGNERS. AND IT'S NOT THAT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THAT'S THE, THAT'S WHAT THEY DO FOR A LIVING AND IT'S NECESSARY. UM, I THINK THE OTHER THING I WANNA SAY IS AT THIS POINT, WE NEED COGNITIVE FLEXIBILITY. WE HAVE TO REALLY LOOK AT WHAT INFORMATION WE HAVE NOW THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE MAYBE LAST MONTH OR LAST YEAR, AND SEE HOW WE CAN MOVE FORWARD IN A POSITIVE WAY THAT'S GONNA SERVE OUR COMMUNITY AND ALSO GIVE US ECONOMIC VIBRANCY. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ON, ON THE OVERLAY IS THAT THE IDEA OF PUBLIC VIEW SHEDS AND THE PUBLIC REALM HAS NOT REALLY BEEN TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT. SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE, UM, A DIFFERENCE IN HEIGHT THAT'S GOING TO EXPAND ACROSS THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE OAK HILL SIDE AND THE DOWNTOWN NEIGHBORHOODS, AND THEN ALL THE BUSINESSES. SO VIEW SHEDS AND BEING ABLE TO ANALYZE THOSE THROUGH MAYBE EXTENSIVE AI PROGRAMS OR SOMETHING EACH FOR EACH PARCEL. UM, THE OTHER THING IS THE ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY ITSELF FROM A OVERLAY HAS NOT BEEN WELL RESEARCHED. UM, I THINK GETTING THE DESIGN REVIEW ITSELF INTO, UM, AS A PRIORITY, EVEN THOUGH IT HAS EXTENSIVE LEGISLATIVE IMPACTS, UM, I THINK WE REALLY NEED IT. UM, LET'S SEE. AND THE OTHER THING IS THE OVERLAY. AT THE MOMENT, IF YOU EPSON, WE HAVE, UM, PROPERTY OWNERS BEING OFFERED MORE THAN ANYBODY ELSE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF WE TALK ABOUT THE AFFORDABILITY OF PARCELS AND BEING ABLE TO BUILD ON THEM, UPZONING ISN'T GONNA ALLOW US TO HAVE THAT BECOME MORE AFFORDABLE. IT'S GONNA ACTUALLY IMPACT. AND, UM, EVEN, UM, MANY EXPERTS ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WE'LL TELL YOU, DON'T DON'T UP ZONE. IT'S NOT, IT DOESN'T DO ANY GOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU LARRY JONAS TO BE FOLLOWED BY, UM, PAMELA RSON. GOODNIGHT. . NO, I JUST KIDDING. UM, WHEN I FIRST READ ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT, NOT REALLY ADDRESSING THE PARKING SITUATION, I WAS SURPRISED AND SHOCKED. UM, I HAVE BASICALLY THAT OBJECTION PLUS THE HEIGHT IN THAT AREA AS AN OBJECTION. UM, WE ARE VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE NORTH BASE SAVINGS, THE OLD NORTH BASED SAVINGS AS A PARKING LOT, SUMMIT BANK, AS A PARKING LOT, GOLDEN EAGLE SHOPPING CENTER AS A PARKING LOT, UM, BANK OF AMERICA BUILDING. WELL, HE, HE WAS CHARGING FOR A WHILE, BUT WITHOUT THOSE, WE'D EVEN BE IN DEEPER PROBLEMS THAN WE ARE NOW. UM, I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE PARK AT GOLDEN EAGLE TO GO TO SEA OR TO GO TO, UM, CASINO PARADISIO WHILE ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE DRIVING AROUND, CIRCLING AND CIRCLING, LOOKING FOR A PARKING SPACE. THE SEVEN PARKING SPACES THAT THE LADY MENTIONED, THERE'S A CARBON FOOTPRINT. I KNOW MOST OF YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT CARBON FOOTPRINTS. SO HOW'S THAT GONNA HELP HAVING PEOPLE DRIVE AROUND, DRIVE AROUND, DRIVE AROUND FOR 15, 20 MINUTES, A HALF HOUR BEFORE YOU FIND A PARKING SPACE? SO I'M REALLY CONCERNED THAT WHEN ADOBE ROAD WINERY GOES ONLINE, THEY'RE GONNA TAKE UP ALL OF THE C STREET PARKING LOT. YOU'RE ELIMINATING PARKING ON D STREET WITH THE BICYCLE LANES. SO WE'RE DECREASING THE AMOUNT OF PARKING NOW, AS ONE LADY SAID, WHO, UH, CAROL EBERT SAID THAT SHE LIVES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. CAN YOU DUMP 200 PARKING SPACES ON THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS? THAT'S, I WENT TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND FIGURED OUT HOW MANY PARKING SPACES THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL BE IN EXCESSIVE, THAT'S 200 SPACE, UH, PARKING SPACES NEEDED FOR THAT COMMUNITY, UH, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, I WENT UP TO HILLSBURG TO CHECK OUT, UH, THE CHARLES PALMER, UH, HOTEL THERE. IT'S THREE STORIES. THREE STORIES. HILLSBURG DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING HIGHER THAN A FOUR STORY BUILDING. THE NEW CONDO PROJECT THAT WENT IN, BY THE WAY, IT'S A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR PROJECT. THERE ARE ONLY FOUR STORIES. SONOMA ONE OF THE HIGHEST TRAVEL TOURIST AREAS. NO MORE THAN THREE STORIES. AND SO WHY ARE WE COMPELLED [03:55:01] TO GO FOR FOUR? NOW I KNOW I READ IN THE PAPER THAT THIS MIGHT GENERATE $750,000 IN REVENUE FOR THE CITY. WELL, IF THE BUILDING WAS ONLY FOUR STORIES, THAT'D BE TWO THIRDS OF SIX STORIES. SO MAYBE THE CITY WOULD STILL GET $500,000 REVENUE THAT WE DON'T HAVE CURRENTLY. SO I, I KNOW THERE MAY BE A FEW FLAWS IN THAT THINKING, BUT NOT MANY . SO, UH, THAT'S MY ISSUE. AND I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU AND IT'S BEEN A NICE NIGHT. AND THANK YOU PAMELA BAR, UM, BARON TO BE FOLLOWED BY PATRICIA TUTTLE BROWN. HI. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM, I ACTUALLY WAS GONNA TURN MY TIME OVER TO SOMEONE, BUT THERE IS SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO SAY. UM, I MOVED TO PETALUMA ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO. UM, I LIVE IN DISTRICT SIX ON HARRIS. AND YOU KNOW, PARKING OBVIOUSLY IS A VERY BIG DEAL, ESPECIALLY WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY, FRIDAY, SATURDAY NIGHT, UM, SUNDAY NIGHT TOO. UM, AND YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S MANAGEABLE 'CAUSE I CAN WALK EVERYWHERE, UM, FROM WHERE I AM. BUT I CAN'T TAKE A POSITION JUST BECAUSE OF MY, UH, PROFESSION. I'M AN INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER, UM, RE UH, NONPARTISAN RESEARCH, UM, CO-FOUNDER, UM, ON MONEY AND POLITICS. SO I DID SOME RESEARCH ON EKN. AND UM, AND IT'S INTERESTING THAT PEOPLE KEEP SAYING THE, UH, IS IT A CEO OR FOUNDER, UM, IS FROM NEWPORT BEACH. 'CAUSE I CHECKED OUT THE HOUSING RECORDS. SO I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO GO TO TRUTH FINDER.COM, WHICH IS WHERE MOST INVESTIGATIVE REPORTERS GO TO FIND OUT DEEP, UM, INFORMATION ON COMPANIES AND INDIVIDUALS. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER, UM, PLACE THAT, UH, WOULD BE A GOOD THING TO CHECK OUT THE COMPANY'S VIABILITY WOULD BE THE, UM, YOU KNOW, DUN AND BRADSTREET. SO, UM, ENCOURAGING YOU GUYS TO DO THAT. UH, AND, UH, I DID CHECK OUT THE CEO, LET'S, I'M SORRY, I DON'T RECALL. I'M REALLY TIRED. UM, HIS NAME. AND, UH, HE DOES HAVE A $10 MILLION PROPERTY AND A VERY EXCLUSIVE AREA. BUT, UM, ONE THING THAT I NOTICE, AND I'M JUST GONNA SAY, UM, I DON'T WANT ANY LIBEL THINGS COMING BACK AT ME. SO ALLEGEDLY, THERE ARE SEVERAL, UH, BANKRUPTCIES, UM, WHICH WERE, UM, FILED OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF DECADES AND THEN, UM, DISMISSED AT THE LAST MINUTE. SO PLEASE LOOK INTO THAT. UM, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WHAT HAPPENED IN TAHOE, UM, IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT THEY'RE NOT THE COMPANY THAT WE WANNA DO BUSINESS WITH. AND, UM, AS FAR AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, I KNOW THAT ALL OF YOU HAVE GOOD HEARTS AND YOU'RE TRYING TO DO YOUR BEST IN THIS SITUATION, BUT PERHAPS THERE'S ANOTHER COMPANY, UM, IF WE WANNA MOVE FORWARD IN WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. AND, UM, WAS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND HOUSING VERY IMPORTANT ISSUES. UM, AND ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO BUILD IT AND OR IF THEY HAVE THE MONEY TO BUILD IT. I THINK THEIR SECURE DEBT IS, I DUNNO, SEVEN 25 MILLION. BUT THANK YOU. THAT WAS THE TIME BEEP. AND OUR LAST PUBLIC SPEAKER THANK YOU. TONIGHT IS PATRICIA TUTTLE BROWN. SOMEBODY LEFT THEIR PEN. IT DOESN'T START THE TIME. UM, I WAS TRYING TO THINK OF HOW I CAN BE HELPFUL. UM, I AGREE. UM, I THINK THE OVERLAY SHOULD BE IS ONLY THERE AND IT CHANGED ITS NAME INTO ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY. IT'S ONLY THERE BECAUSE THE HOTEL WANTED TO BUILD BIGGER THAN WE, UH, ARE A PERMITTING. I THINK WE SHOULD NOT ALLOW THE HOTEL TO BUILD BIGGER THAN OUR ZONING IS. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE LAYING PROPERTIES WITH NEW RULES. THEY GET THIS, THESE PEOPLE DON'T, BUT THEY CAN BECAUSE, UM, AND I WANTED TO, UH, SAY THAT IF WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT DESIGN REVIEW, WE SHOULD BRING BACK SPARK, WHICH WAS ELIMINATED. I SAW HOW PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN THE SPAR PEOPLE, THEY'RE PUT IN A LOWER PLACE. YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE THEM. THEY ONLY GET TO TALK WHEN THEY'RE ASKED. [04:00:01] IT'S RIDICULOUS. WE NEED A COMMITTEE THAT CAN TALK THE ENTIRE TIME. THAT WAS WHAT SPARK DID. THE LAST THING, THE MAIN THING I WANNA SAY IS THAT, UM, I HAD TO, I, I WAS TALKING TO A BUSINESSMAN. HE MOVED HERE FROM SUNNYVALE. AND, UM, I SAID, I'VE GOTTA GO, I GOTTA PREPARE FOR THIS MEETING. UGH, THE COUNCIL AND THE HOTEL. AND HE SAID, OH, I GREW UP IN SUNNYVALE. IN SUNNYVALE AND SUNNYVALE USED TO HAVE A DOWNTOWN, BUT YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T ANYMORE BECAUSE IT WAS ALL DEVELOPED. AND CUPERTINO, YOU KNOW, IT WAS, IT WAS, UH, STONE, FRUIT TERRITORY, CUPERTINO. I MEAN, IT HAS NOTHING THAT'S A DOWNTOWN. AND, UM, WHAT I, WHAT I WANNA THINK ABOUT IS WHAT OUR DECISIONS ARE GONNA BE LIKE FOR US IN 30 OR 40 YEARS. AND, UH, IF WE START ALLOWING THIS NOW, UM, WE MIGHT NOT LIVE TO SEE THE, THE WRECKING OF WHAT WE LOVE, BUT IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. AND HE WAS A KIND OF MACHO GUY, BUT I THOUGHT HE WAS GONNA CRY TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH. SO MY FINAL COMMENT IS THAT AS A BODY THAT MAKES DECISIONS, I WANT YOU TO THINK, TO HAVE COURAGE. AND IF MIKE KEELEY SAYS, WELL, LET'S JUST JUNK THE OVERLAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT ALL THIS WORK, BUT WHO REALLY ASKED FOR IT? HOW DID IT ALL, HOW DID THE JUGGERNAUT GO DOWN THE TRACK? UM, WE OUGHT TO THINK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN 1993 WHEN THE TOWN WAS COMPLETELY SPLIT ABOUT LAFFERTY RANCH BEING OWNED BY THE CITY AND A, A VERY WEALTHY NEIGHBOR KIND OF MAKING A DEAL WITH THE CITY MANAGER, SEEMINGLY TO BUY IT. AND NOBODY KNEW. HE BUILT HIS HOUSE VERY NEAR IT. AND THEN SOMEBODY FOUND OUT AND THE CITY MANAGER, YOU KNOW, WELL, WHAT ENDED UP HAPPENING WAS YEARS OF FIGHTING, UM, A A BALLOT MEASURE THAT WAS, THAT HAD CHEATING GOING ON. AND IN THE END, THE COUNCIL CONSENTED UNANIMOUSLY TO LEAVE IT IN OUR OWN HANDS. AND I WOULD LIKE YOU TO THINK ABOUT A RADICAL CHOICE, WHICH IS TO DUMP THE THING AND BE FRIENDS WITH EACH OTHER AND NOT WRECK OUR TOWN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. TIME HAS EXPIRED. AND THAT CONCLUDES, UH, THE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE ITEM TONIGHT. AND, UH, BRING IT BACK UP TO COUNCIL. TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK AND PERHAPS WE'LL TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK BEFORE WE DO THAT. UM, SO IF THE CLERK WOULD SET US FOR FIVE, THEN WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. WE'RE BRINGING THE MEETING BACK TO ORDER NOW, AND EVERYBODY GETS TO RETURN TO THEIR SEATS ONE WORD, ME AND THEY VEGETARIAN. THANK YOU. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU. ALL RIGHT, LAST ONE. BACK IN THEIR SEATS, UH, CLOSES THE DOORS TONIGHT. OKAY, SO LAST, UM, LAST THING WE RECALL, WE WERE CLOSING PUBLIC COMMENT AND BRINGING IT BACK UP TO THE DAIS. AND I DO WANNA, UM, APPRECIATE EVERYONE WHO SPOKE TONIGHT. UH, THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT OF, UH, POINTED COMMENT, CONSTRUCTIVE TO, UH, WHERE WE SHOULD GO ON THE OVERLAY. AND, UM, AND THERE WERE QUITE A FEW THINGS THAT, UH, WERE PROBABLY OUTSIDE THE REALM OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE TOUCHING ON TONIGHT. UM, AND SO DO WANT TO KNOW, IF YOU DON'T HEAR A COUNCIL PERSON MENTIONING THE PARTICULAR THING YOU ROSE, IT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO STAY FOCUSED ON, UM, THE PROGRESS OR LACK OF PROGRESS ON, ON THE OVERLAY, SAY FOCUS ON THE OVERLAY. AND WITH THAT, I'D INVITE ANY OF THE COUNCIL TO KIND OF KICK OFF CONVERSATIONS AND I SEE JANICE CATER THOMPSON'S HAND. AND BEFORE WE DO THAT, UM, I'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING AT THE CLOCK NOW AND I'M THINKING, OH MY GOODNESS, WE'RE GONNA HIT 11 O'CLOCK. SO MAY WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THAT? I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION. I SECOND THAT, THAT WE GO PAST 11 O'CLOCK. I'LL SECOND APPRECIATE THAT. AND WE HAVE, UH, DENNIS CATER THOMPSON AS A SECOND ON THAT. AND, UH, IS THAT A VOTE? WE DO BY A CLAIM? I [04:05:01] THINK WE CAN DO THAT BY A CLAIM. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF FINISHING OUT. OKAY. UH, AYE. THANK YOU. WE GOT EVERYBODY ON BOARD. AND, UH, NOW DID YOU HAVE YOU WANNA LEAD OFF ON COMMENTS TONIGHT? THANK YOU. WELL, I ACTUALLY SUPPORT THE OVERLAYS . I LOOK AT THIS, I, I LOOK AT THESE AREAS AND I SEE BLIGHT, I SEE CHAIN LINK FENCES, AND I SEE A LOT OF NEEDS FOR THE CITY. UM, I ALSO, YOU KNOW, HEAR A LOT OF COMMENTS ABOUT LIKE THE PHOENIX, WELL, THE PHOENIX USED TO BE AN ABSOLUTE BEAUTIFUL BUILDING, AND THEN THAT WAS COMPLETELY ALTERED. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL PHOENIX, IT LOOKS VERY DIFFERENT THAN IT DOES TODAY. UM, I ACTUALLY SUPPORTED, UM, BRINGING IN PETALUMA MARKET IN THE OVERLAY BECAUSE IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY, IT'S A LARGE LOT. AND IF THE, AND IF THE PROPERTY OWNER WANTED TO DO SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD HAVE AN OPTION OR THEY, OR IT COULD BE LEFT OUT AND THEY COULD GO UP TO 45 FEET. UM, WHAT I AM, WHAT I'M HEARING THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE STATE OF CALIFORNIA IS THAT, UM, ALL CITIES ARE SAYING PARKING, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING BECAUSE OF PARKING. AND TO ME, THAT'S REDLINING. THAT'S REALLY SAYING WE DON'T WANT STUFF DONE. AND SO WE'RE GONNA BRING UP PARKING AS A BIG ISSUE. THIS IS MY OPINION. UM, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, THIS IS IN REDONDO BEACH. MIKE AND I WERE AT THE LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES AND I GO INTO THIS DISCUSSION AND IT WAS JUST PEOPLE JUST SAYING NO TO EVERYTHING. WE CAN'T DO THIS. WE DON'T WANNA DO THIS. WE WANT A STATE MEASURE. SO WE HAVE LOCAL CONTROL. SO THE STATE CAN'T MANDATE ANYTHING, BUT YET WE WANT MONEY FROM THE STATE. UM, AND I JUST, I JUST REALLY WANNA GET INTO, UM, THE BLIGHT AND THE GATEWAYS INTO THIS CITY, AND THEY'RE GONNA BE HERE TOMORROW AND THE NEXT DAY UNLESS WE ACTUALLY WANT TO DO SOMETHING. AND I THINK, AND I'M TALKING ABOUT WASHINGTON STREET ALSO. I'M NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT PETALUMA BOULEVARD BECAUSE THERE'S CHAIN LINK FENCES ALL AROUND THIS TOWN, AND YET WE WANT TO, UM, WE WANT TO REBUILD THE TRESTLE AND THAT'S 14 MILLION. WE WANNA HAVE FUTURE DREDGING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH FUTURE DREDGING WITH THE CHANGE IN, UM, THE NATIONAL. EVERYTHING IS REALLY UP IN THE AIR AS FAR AS, UM, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH OUR RIVER? ARE WE GONNA BE ABLE TO AFFORD JUST AS A CITY $10 MILLION JUST OUT OF POCKET BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING ONE MORE DREDGING FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. BUT IS THAT GONNA STOP AND IT COULD STOP? UM, WE HAVE THE MUSEUM THAT NEEDS, UM, RETROFITTING. THERE'S A LOT OF NEEDS IN THIS CITY. SO WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THIS OVERLAY, I'M LOOKING AT THE BENEFITS AND I'M BASICALLY LOOKING AT VACANT LOTS. MOST OF 'EM, THERE ARE CHAIN LINK FENCES. THEY DON'T BRING IN ANY MONEY INTO THIS CITY. AND THAT'S THE GATEWAY INTO THE CITY. AND THEN EVERYBODY'S TALKING ABOUT OUR HISTORIC DOWNTOWN, WHICH IS BEAUTIFUL. AND I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE, THAT WE'RE LUCKY THAT IT'S EVEN EXISTING, THE WAY THINGS WERE BURNING DOWN AND ALSO JUST BEING, UM, BULLDOZED DOWN. AND SO I THINK AS A CITY WE'VE UM, KEPT A LOT OF THE GREAT BUILDINGS. BUT IN ONE OF THE ORIGINAL PICTURES THAT WAS SHOWN EARLIER OF OLD PETALUMA, I MEAN, THAT WAS REALLY OLD PETALUMA AND THERE WAS A LOT OF HEIGHT. A LOT OF THOSE BUILDINGS AREN'T THERE ANYMORE. OUR CITY HALL, ON THE, A STREET PARKING LOT, THAT WAS A REALLY TALL BUILDING, TERRIBLE FOR A DA, I MEAN, STRAIGHT STAIRS UP, BUT IT WAS A REALLY BIG BUILDING RIGHT IN OUR TOWN. UM, SO HEIGHT IS NOT SOMETHING NEW. AND I DON'T THINK 68 OR 70 FEET IS, IS THAT OFF IF YOU REALLY WALK AROUND THE TOWN AND LOOK AT THE HEIGHT. AND I'VE BEEN WALKING AROUND A LOT JUST LOOKING AT OLD FACADES THAT WERE COVERED OVER THAT AREN'T THERE ANYMORE, BUT YOU KNOW, SOMETHING'S BEHIND THEM BECAUSE SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN OPENED. UM, SO I THINK THERE'S, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF BENEFITS TO THESE THREE PARTICULAR A, B AND C. UM, B PARTICULARLY WAS THE OLD CONTINENTAL HOTEL BURNT DOWN AND NOW THERE'S TWO BANKS THERE AND BANKS ARE REALLY GOING OUT. BANK OF AMERICA'S NOT THERE ANYMORE, SO BANKS ARE LEAVING. AND SO I THINK THAT WE DO NEED TO HAVE A VISION FOR WHAT COULD HAPPEN ON THOSE SITES. UM, AND THEN WHEN YOU GO OVER TO LIBERTY STREET, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S FOR SALE NOW BECAUSE IT COULDN'T, THE PROJECT JUST COULDN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE OF THE RESTRICT RESTRICTIONS IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCES. UM, WHEN I LOOK AT THE PETALUMA CENTRAL [04:10:01] SPECIFIC PLAN AND EVEN THE RIVER PLAN, THEY'RE PRETTY RESTRICTIVE AND THEY, WE HAVE NOT REALLY MOVED FORWARD WITH THOSE PLANS BECAUSE OF THE RESTRICTIONS. UM, AND I LIKE TO TAKE SOME OF THOSE RESTRICTIONS OUT. I LOOK AT OUR DOWNTOWN AND I TALK TO A LOT OF BUSINESS OWNERS, THEY DON'T COME OUT TO THIS MEETING BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW WHO IS FOR THIS BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANNA LOSE BUSINESS. AND SO THEY HAVE BEEN SILENT ON THIS, SO THEY'RE NOT IN THE ROOM. AND WE'RE ALSO A TOWN OF 60,000 PEOPLE. THEY'RE NOT IN THE ROOM EITHER. AND I WALKED A LOT OF DOORS AND, UM, IN SUPPORT OF THE OVERLAYS AND HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE AND A MAJORITY OF 'EM WERE REALLY SUPPORTIVE OF REDEVELOPING IN OUR DOWNTOWN. IT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE THE HISTORIC NATURE OF OUR TOWN, BUT YOU ALSO DON'T WANNA BUILD BUILDINGS THAT THAT LOOK LIKE EXISTING BUILDINGS BECAUSE IN 50 YEARS THE BUILDING YOU BUILD MIGHT BE HISTORIC AND YOU JUST DON'T WANT, I DON'T WANNA CREATE A DISNEYLAND IN DOWNTOWN. I WANNA ACTUALLY CREATE A VIBRANT DOWNTOWN WHEN I WALK ON PETALUMA BOULEVARD WHERE THOSE, UM, CHAIN LINK FENCES ARE, IT'S NOT COMFORTABLE. IT'S NOT COMFORTABLE AT NIGHT WALKING BY THOSE, UM, AREAS. AND THEY'RE JUST KIND OF VACANT AREAS. AND I THINK, UM, WHEN I LOOK AT THIS TOWN, I SEE THE PETALUMA HOTEL ON THE NORTH END, AND THEN I SEE ANOTHER HOTEL ON THE SOUTH END AND THEY JUST KIND OF LIKE, THEY'RE ALMOST BOOKENDS AND THEN THAT AREA WILL BE REDEVELOPED. I DON'T KNOW HOW QUICKLY IT'LL HAPPEN. UM, YOU ALSO HAVE TO HAVE WILLING PROPERTY OWNERS, BUT ONE PROPERTY OWNER SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DICTATE WHAT OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS DO. AND SO I'M NOT GONNA WORRY ABOUT THE OTHER PROPERTIES IN, UM, A, UM, BECAUSE THE PROPERTY OWNER CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT AND THEY'VE CHOSEN TO PUT CHAIN LINK FENCES UP AND NOT REDEVELOP THOSE AREAS OR NOT ENGAGE WITH THE CITY TO, UM, TO HAVE GOOD ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. SO, UM, I THINK, UM, I'M GONNA BE REAL CLEAR ON THE, ON THE PARKING. I KEEP HEARING ABOUT PARKING, BUT ALL CITIES ARE DOING THE SAME THING. AND TO ME IT IS REALLY REDLINING, IT'S REALLY SAYING, WHO SHOULDN'T BE IN OUR TOWN? WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANT THIS BECAUSE OF PARKING. AND I COME DOWNTOWN NIGHT AND MORNING AND DAY, I ALWAYS GET A PARKING SPACE, SOMETIMES NOT IN FRONT OF THE STORE I WANT, SO I'LL WALK A BLOCK OR BLOCK AND A HALF. AND I THINK PARKING IS JUST, UM, THE NEW DESCRIPTION FOR SAYING WHY WE CAN'T DO SOMETHING. AND WE DO HAVE THE SMART TRAIN, AND I'M LOOKING 20 YEARS OUT, I'M LOOKING 30 YEARS OUT. WE'RE GONNA HAVE DIFFERENT TRANSPORTATION MODES. I MIGHT NOT IN MY LIFETIME, BUT MY GRANDKIDS AND MY KIDS WILL. UM, I LOOK AT, UH, I DON'T KNOW, I JUST, I I JUST FEEL AS THOUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS, IT DIDN'T START OFF GREAT, SO WE'LL ALL ADMIT THAT. SO WE KNOW THAT. SO THAT'S, THAT'S A GIVEN. BUT I DON'T THINK IT IS A BAD PROCESS WHERE WE ARE TODAY. I THINK IT'S SPECIFIC PROPERTIES AND PEOPLE TALK LIKE, OH, WE'RE GONNA BE TEARING OLD HISTORIC BUILDINGS DOWN. THAT'S JUST NOT TRUE. WE'RE NOT TEARING ANYTHING DOWN, BUT IT'S GOING TO GIVE PEOPLE OPTIONS FOR VACANT PROPERTIES FOR PROPERTY OWNERS TO DO SOMETHING. AND I DO THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE GOOD DESIGN REVIEW, ABSOLUTELY. BUT I DON'T WANT DESIGN REVIEW TO END UP GETTING US INTO COURT BECAUSE WE'RE BEING SO RESTRICTIVE. AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GONNA HEAD BECAUSE WE ARE JUST BECOMING TOO RESTRICTIVE. MY, I THINK WE OUGHT, WE OUGHT TO GIVE, UH, EVERYBODY A A MOMENT TO, UM, KIND OF OFFER THE, UH, THEIR GENERALIZED POSITION. AND THEN AT SOME POINT I'LL TRY AND BRING IT BACK TO, UM, WHERE WE'RE HEADED FOR DIRECTION TO STAFF, KIND OF COMMENTING. ANY, ANYBODY ELSE, UH, WANNA WEIGH IN? UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE. YEAH. UM, SO AGAIN, I AGREE WITH THE PROCESS HASN'T BEEN IDEAL HERE. I CERTAINLY WOULD'VE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN THIS SOONER CONSIDERING WE'RE MAKING POLICY CHANGES AND HAVING A, A WORKSHOP LIKE THIS IS REALLY HELPFUL. UM, I'LL NOTE I WANT TO THANK, UM, LYDIA FOR THE SPECIFIC COMMENTS ON THE, UM, OVERLAY. THANK YOU. UM, AND IN THE, THE QUESTION ABOUT WHY 58 PARKING SPACES, IT'S BECAUSE PART OF THE PARCELS ARE IN THE PARKING DISTRICT [04:15:01] AND THEY AREN'T REQUIRED TO HAVE ANY PARKING SPACES. AND PART OF THE, THE, UM, THE PROPERTY IS NOT, UM, I'LL JUST SAY FOR ME, THIS, IT, IT DOES. UM, I WANT IT TO BE ABOUT HOUSING. IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE IT'S ABOUT HOUSING RIGHT NOW. UM, I THINK WE'RE, WE'VE DONE SOME THINGS TO MAKE IT ABOUT HOUSING. LOOSENING THE REGULATIONS AROUND PEDESTRIAN ACTIVATION, I THINK IS REALLY GREAT. AND I HOPE THAT WE SEE SOMETHING. UM, BUT I FEEL LIKE NOT ADDRESSING DENSITY IN THIS IS, IS SORT OF THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM FOR ME. UM, THE, UH, AND, AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE AT 30 UNITS PER ACRE, WE'RE SEEING, UM, THINGS WON'T GET, I DON'T THINK THERE'S BEEN A SINGLE PROJECT BUILT IN THE LAST 20 YEARS IN THE STUDY AREA HERE. MAYBE IN THE LAST 40 YEARS. I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE LAST PROJECT WAS BUILT, UM, IN THE STUDY AREA. BUT, UM, THAT'S A, IT'S, IT'S A SIGNAL THAT WE, OUR ZONING HASN'T DONE ITS JOB, WHICH IS FACILITATE THE ORDERLY GROWTH OF OUR CITY. UM, SO I, I FEEL LIKE WE DO NEED TO INCREASE THE DENSITY IN HERE. UM, I THINK IT, TO MAKE THIS ABOUT HOUSING AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY, I THINK IT'S, UM, IT CERTAINLY ALIGNS WITH MY VALUES OF TRYING TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. UM, BECAUSE IF WE DO SEE HOUSING, IT'S ALMOST CERTAINLY GONNA BE SOMETHING IN THE LUXURY MARKET BECAUSE THEY NEED TO MAKE THEIR MONEY BACK. AND SO IF THEY CAN ONLY BUILD A FEW UNITS, THEY'RE GONNA BUILD LUXURY UNITS THAT ARE GONNA EARN THE MONEY. BUT IF WE INCREASE THE DENSITY, THEY'LL BE MORE MONETIZED UNITS, HOPEFULLY, AND WE CAN, UM, SEE THINGS THAT MORE CLOSELY ALIGN WITH OUR VALUES. UM, I DO SUPPORT A NEW DOWNTOWN HOTEL. UM, I'M EXCITED ABOUT HAVING A NEW HOTEL. I'M EXCITED ABOUT A ROOFTOP DECK. UM, I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, THE HEIGHT. I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, THE, THE MASSING. UM, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT HOW IT LOOKS, AND THAT'S WHY I THINK THAT DESIGN REVIEWS REALLY IMPORTANT. UM, AND I WANT TO SEE US, UH, YOU KNOW, I, THIS ISN'T JUST A 12 MONTH THING BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE OUR GENERAL PLAN AND THE ZONING CODE. THIS IS PROBABLY TWO YEARS IN THE MAKING BEFORE I, I THINK WE'RE GONNA SEE A SUNSET TO THE OVERLAY. AND, UM, I DON'T WANT TO JUST MAKE IT ABOUT ENABLING A HOTEL. I WANNA SEE HOUSING COME FORWARD. UM, WE TALKED ABOUT 1 31 LIBERTY. THAT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE. I ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT, UH, WITH SOME FOLKS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THAT PROJECT THIS WEEKEND. AND, UM, THEY HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPERS BECAUSE THERE'S NO RULES FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND SOMETHING MIGHT ACTUALLY GET BUILT, EVEN THOUGH THEY'VE GOT THIS GREAT LITTLE ENTITLED PROJECT, IT'LL NEVER GET BUILT AS CURRENTLY PROPOSED BECAUSE OF OUR REGULATIONS. UM, NOW IF THAT SELLS TO AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PRO, UH, DEVELOPER, UM, ALL THE THINGS WE'RE HERE CLAMORING ABOUT AND WANTING DESIGN REVIEW, THOSE GO OUT THE WINDOW AND WE'RE, UM, WE GET WHAT THEY BRING FORWARD. SO IF WE CAN, UH, CREATE REGULATIONS THAT WILL ALLOW THAT PROJECT TO GET BUILT, UM, IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, UH, WE HAVE MORE IMPACT OVER, UH, HOW IT'S GONNA LOOK OR INFLUENCE. UM, AND I WANT US TO HAVE THAT. UM, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I, I DON'T SUPPORT SHRINKING THE OVERLAY, UM, BEYOND WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, SUGGESTED. UM, I DON'T WANNA SEE IT JUST BE THE HOTEL PROJECT, BECAUSE I DO INDEED WANT TO SEE US TRY AND BRING IN HOUSING IN DOWNTOWN. UM, I, UH, I SUPPORT WHAT, UH, SONYA FROM THE HOTEL WORKERS UNION SAID ABOUT WANTING TO HAVE SOME SORT OF A FINDING WHERE WE HAVE TO REPORT ON THE JOBS, UM, THE JOB QUALITY AND THE IMPACT THAT, UM, THESE PROJECTS COMING FORWARD. IF THEY'RE REQUESTING A CUP, I WANNA UNDERSTAND WHAT THE IMPACT'S GONNA BE ON OUR JOBS HOUSING BALANCE, BECAUSE, UM, IT'S NOT LOST ON ME THAT I, IT SHE WAS SAYING. SO I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UM, UM, IN TERMS OF THE, UH, I THINK, UH, MARY DOOLEY SENT IN SOME COMMENTS LATE THIS EVENING. I HAD A CHANCE TO READ THROUGH THEM. I, I THINK EVERYBODY ON THE PLANNING STAFF SHOULD READ THEM. I CERTAINLY SUPPORT THEM. UM, THE ONES THAT I'LL NOTE THAT I, I STRONGLY SUPPORT ARE, UM, ON THE DISCRETIONARY REVIEW. UH, IN PARTICULAR, UM, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF THE GRAB BAG OF TWO, UM, IT SHOULD BE ALL. I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T WANT UNDERGROUND PARKING AND IN AN, IN AN OPEN SPACE TO, UM, SUPPLANT THE REQUIREMENT FOR EXCEPTIONAL ARCHITECTURE. I THINK THAT THIS IS AROUND OUR HISTORIC DOWNTOWN. WE WANT TO HAVE EXCEPTIONAL ARCHITECTURE. UM, AND I DON'T ALSO DON'T WANNA LEGISLATE IT. I DON'T WANT TO SAY MUST CONFORM TO ALL THE SURROUNDING BUILDINGS AND ALL THAT, BECAUSE I THINK THAT GETS US TO A LOWEST [04:20:01] COMMON DENOMINATOR WHERE THE APPLICANTS ARE CHECKING BOXES INSTEAD OF PROVIDING CREATIVITY TO DESIGNERS TO DO THEIR JOB. UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I'M OPEN TO HOW DESIGN REVIEW LOOKS, BUT I WANT TO BE PART OF A PUBLIC PROCESS BECAUSE, UM, I WANT THE COMMUNITY TO BE ABLE TO COME IN AND WEIGH ON IT. AND I WANT TO HAVE PROFESSIONALS FROM THE COMMUNITY, UM, ACTUALLY SORT OF WEIGHING IN ON IT. AND I ENCOURAGE YOU, YOU KNOW, I TALKED WITH, UH, MARY AND CHRIS THIS WEEKEND, UM, AND THEY HAD SOME IDEAS ABOUT HOW TO MAKE IT MORE OF A STREAMLINED PROCESS THAT ACTUALLY WORKS, THAT YOU WOULD GET THE OUTCOMES WE WANT, BUT ISN'T ONEROUS, BECAUSE I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO BE PUSHING PEOPLE AWAY. UM, MY HOPE IS THAT SOMETHING ON THE, UH, THAT ON THE EIR, WE CAN, WE CAN SPEED IT UP BECAUSE I DON'T WANT IT TO BE SIX MONTHS, BUT I ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE WE GET IT RIGHT. UM, IT WOULDN'T FEEL GOOD TO ME TO JUST, UM, LIKE PUSH THIS FORWARD IN SOME WAY, LIKE, UH, WITHOUT HAVING THE, THE ACTUAL PIECES IN PLACE TO ENCOURAGE HOUSING AND TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE DESIGN REVIEW. THOSE ARE THE TWO PIECES THAT I FEEL PRETTY PASSIONATE ABOUT IN HERE. UM, THEY CERTAINLY ALIGN WITH MY VALUES OF, YOU KNOW, WANTING TO SEE THE DOWNTOWN GROW, WANTING TO SEE PEOPLE LIVING THERE, WANTING TO SUPPORT OUR DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES, AND ALSO WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT AS WE DO IT, WE GET BUILDINGS THAT WE'RE REALLY PROUD OF. UM, SO WITH THAT, UM, I THINK THAT TALKS ABOUT, UH, OR THAT FINISHES UP MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER ZIKE. THANK YOU. AND, UH, I'LL APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE BECAUSE A LOT OF MY COMMENTS HAVE VERY SIMILAR TO COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLES. UM, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I WANNA START, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT I HAD, UH, AS I WAS READING THROUGH THIS, UH, SOME TIME AGO, BUT ALSO AGAIN THIS WEEKEND, UM, THAT, UH, A LOT OF THESE THINGS, WE, FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT, WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER BARNELL BROUGHT UP EARLY ON THIS, UH, UH, THIS ASPECT OF, UH, UM, GIVING THE, THE, UH, APPLICANT, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, UM, PO POSITIVITY TOWARDS THEM, IF, IF THEY COULD BUILD MORE THAN THEIR SHARE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. OKAY. AND OF COURSE, THE FIRST THOUGHT IS, WELL, THAT, THAT'S IT. THAT'S IF THEY'RE BUILDING, IF THEY'RE A HOUSING DEVELOPER. OKAY. BUT, BUT THEN I MOVED FROM THERE TO, UH, TO, UH, WHAT, UH, UM, WHAT, WHAT THE LINE THAT WAS BEFORE ALL THIS, IT SAID THAT THESE THINGS ARE ALL MEANT TO ENSURE THAT, UH, THAT THE DEVELOPMENT FACILITATED BY THE OVERLAY REFLECTS COMMUNITY VALUES. AND, UM, I DON'T THINK MY COMMUNITY'S THAT SMALL OF THE FOLKS THAT, UH, I HANG OUT WITH THAT, THAT FEEL LIKE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS REALLY, UH, UH, OUR BIGGEST PROBLEM AND OUR BIGGEST CRISIS. UM, AND, UH, I WONDER IF THERE'S ANY WAY, AND MAYBE I'LL JUST SKIP AHEAD TO ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY IF THERE, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S ANY WAY, LIKE FOR HOTELS AND RESTAURANTS THAT ARE, THAT ARE AFFECTING THIS JOBS HOUSING, UH, BALANCE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PROVIDING MOSTLY LOW WAGE JOBS, UH, AND, AND, AND WORSENING OUR, OUR, UH, JOB HOUSING BALANCE AND WONDER IF, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I, I'M SURE YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD POINT OUT THAT, THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, THE, THE, THE, THE HOTELS WERE PAYING A TOT TAX, YOU KNOW, BUT, UH, BUT I THINK THE WHOLE COMMUNITY SHOULD SHARE, YOU KNOW, I I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT IT WAS A LITTLE BIT UNFAIR FOR, UH, OUR 15%, UH, IN THE SENSE THAT WE'RE ASKING YOUNG PEOPLE WHO ARE MAYBE BUYING THEIR FIRST HOUSE OR, OR JUST GETTING INTO THE MARKET TO SUBSIDIZE, UH, OUR, OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND, UH, SO I'M ALWAYS LOOKING FOR SOME WAY TO, TO SPREAD THAT OUT MORE IN THIS WAY, FOR EXAMPLE, TO RESTAURANTS AND HOTELS. UH, AND I'LL, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT JUST BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S ON MY MIND. BUT JUST TO, AGAIN, ASK ERIC IF HE CAN COMMENT ABOUT WHETHER THAT'S EVEN LEGAL TO TRY TO, UH, ATTACH SOME HOUSING TO A HOTEL OR RESTAURANT COMING IN. WELL, THE, UM, UM, THERE WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE, THERE'D BE SOME KIND, HAVE TO BE SOME KIND OF DEMONSTRABLE IMPACT THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING. AND THAT, AND THAT WAS, WE'RE DOING IT IN A PROPORTIONAL WAY. AND WE DO HAVE A, I MEAN, WE HAVE A COMMERCIAL LINKAGE FEE THAT IS, THAT PROVIDES FOR, AND MOST JURISDICTIONS DON'T, THAT HAS A WAY FOR PROVIDING FOR HOUSING AS A RESULT OF NEW COMMERCIAL SQUARE FOOT AGE. SO THAT WOULD APPLY AS OF NOW TO, IT WOULD. OKAY, GOOD. SO [04:25:01] THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S A PIECE. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, IT THAT, I, I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I CAN OFFER FOR NOW. OKAY. UH, NO, NO, I, I, UH, I, UH, I KNOW THAT'S, THAT'S GETTING ON THE EDGE. OKAY. I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. GOOD. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY, THANK YOU. SO I'LL PROBABLY BE IN THE MINORITY ON THIS, BUT I WOULD, UM, I WOULD SUPPORT, UM, GETTING RID OF, UM, SUB AREAS B AND C ENTIRELY, AND SHRINKING DOWN A, JUST TO THE HOTEL PARCEL. UM, BECAUSE AS SEVERAL SPEAKERS NOTED, IT'S REALLY THE HOTEL THAT'S BEEN DRIVING THIS TRAIN. AND IT'S NOT BEEN VERY CLEAR BEFORE TONIGHT THAT WE EVEN HAD THE OPTION OF JUST UPZONING, UM, THOSE PARCELS FOR THE HOTEL. BUT NOW WE HAVE CLARITY ON THAT. AND I, I THINK THE REST OF THIS WOULD BE BETTER LEFT FOR THE GENERAL PLAN AND, AND MORE, MORE VETTING AND, AND, AND PUBLIC OUTREACH, UM, BEFORE WE ADOPT IT, BEFORE THE COUNCIL ADOPTS IT. UM, AND I DO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS OVERLAY ZONING WILL ONLY BE IN EFFECT FOR SIX OR 12 OR 18 MONTHS, AND I WOULD NOT EXPECT MANY PROJECTS TO COME FORWARD THAT PERIOD OF TIME. YOU KNOW, SOMEONE, A DEVELOPER HAS TO, UM, SECURE A PROPERTY, COME UP, COME UP WITH PLANS, COME UP WITH EVERYTHING ELSE, AND SUBMIT AN APPLICATION, AND THINGS ON THAT SCALE DON'T HAPPEN THAT QUICKLY. THEY JUST DON'T. UM, A COUPLE OF OTHER POINTS, UM, I, I CERTAINLY AGREE THAT THERE ARE UNDERUTILIZED PROPERTIES DOWNTOWN, BUT I THINK, I THINK ANDY EBER HIT THAT ONE ON THE HEAD THAT WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO BE DOING IS A CAMPAIGN TO FILL SPACES. AND THAT MEANS REACHING OUT TO BUSINESSES AND PROPERTY OWNERS AND, AND ASKING WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THEY NEED AND WHAT THEY WANT. AND WE, CITI HAS NOT DONE THAT IN A SYSTEMATIC WAY. JUST HASN'T. UM, AND, AND THAT'S JUST NOT, I, I THINK THIS, THIS, THIS OVERLAY IS KIND OF AN OVERREACTION TO OUR UNDER, UNDER PERFORMANCE IN THAT AREA. UM, I DO THINK, UM, ON PARKING, I'D MAKE A COUPLE OF POINTS. NUMBER ONE, I THOUGHT NICOLE MADE A GOOD POINT THAT TIME OF YEAR MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE, UM, FOR WHEN PARKING IS, IS ANALYZED. AND I THINK JUST LOOKING AT, UM, USAGE IN THE MIDDLE OF WINTER IS NOT GONNA GIVE YOU, UM, MEANINGFUL DATA, I THINK. AND, AND IF, AND IF THIS IS, IF THIS IS GONNA BE DONE FOR, FOR THIS OVERLAY, THAT'S REALLY ALL WE'RE GONNA GET. UM, BUT THE GENERAL PLAN IS ON A, HAS SLID, APPARENTLY I HADN'T HEARD THAT BEFORE TONIGHT, UH, BY SEVERAL MONTHS. AND, UH, SO WE DO HAVE THE LUXURY OF TIME TO, TO ACTUALLY GET THE PARKING STUDY DONE RIGHT, AND, AND IN A WAY THAT THE COMMUNITY WOULD, WOULD UNDERSTAND BECAUSE, UM, AND I, I CAN TELL YOU THE EXPERIENCE OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS THAT THERE ARE SEVERE PARKING CHALLENGES, UH, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SURROUNDING DOWNTOWN. UM, I WOULD MENTION TOO, THIS IS KIND OF THE OLD TIME WE'RE TALKING HERE, BACK WHEN THE, UM, UH, THEATER DISTRICT WAS APPROVED AND IT HAD ITS LARGE, UH, PARKING STRUCTURE, UM, THE THINKING AT CITY HALL IN THOSE DAYS, THAT THAT WAS THE FIRST OF MAYBE THREE LARGE PARKING STRUCTURES THAT WOULD NEED TO BE BUILT TO HELP DOWNTOWN COME UP TO ITS, ITS POTENTIAL. UM, AND YOU DON'T HEAR THAT CONVERSATION ANYMORE. INSTEAD, WE GET, YOU KNOW, THIS MAGICAL THINKING FROM SACRAMENTO, AND IT'S NOT QUESTIONED HERE THAT WE CAN JUST WAVE A MAGIC WAND AND THE PARKING PROBLEM GOES AWAY. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT HAPPEN YET. UM, SO WE WILL SEE, UM, I DO AGREE THAT, UM, SPARK SHOULD BE REESTABLISHED. UM, I CAN TELL YOU THAT WHEN I WAS SERVING AS, UH, COUNCIL LIAISON ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN DOING SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, IT WAS A LITTLE SHEEPISH FOR ME BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THE COMMUNITY REALLY WANTS ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW DONE BY ATTORNEYS. UM, IT, IT DOESN'T COME UP WITH A VERY GOOD PRODUCT. AND BACK WHEN WE HAD SPARK, WE WERE ALWAYS ABLE TO, TO, UM, UH, RECRUIT ARCHITECTS AND LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS AND THE TYPE TO SERVE ON THAT. AND THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF FOLKS YOU WANT ON THAT. UM, I'LL STOP THERE. THANKS, COUNCILWOMAN. NOW, UM, THANK YOU. UM, I'M NOT SURE WHERE TO START. UM, THE, UM, NEED FOR A LUXURY HIGH-END HOTEL IS NEEDED IN PETALUMA. I'VE HEARD FROM THE OD HOTEL, UM, BUSINESS OWNERS THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO AS HIGH AS THE PROJECT APPLICANT WANTS. UM, AND THE OVERLAY ISN'T NEEDED FOR THE HOUSING DEVELOPERS THAT I'VE [04:30:01] SPOKEN TO THAT ARE PLANNING, UM, LOW INCOME HOUSING IN THE AREA, UM, THAT'S IN SECTION C. SO I DON'T BELIEVE WE NEED THE OVERLAY. UM, THE PEOPLE IN FAVOR AND BUSINESSES THAT ARE IN FAVOR OF THE, UM, OVERLAY AND THE HOTEL WANT MORE REVENUE IN THE CITY COFFERS. AND WE ALL WANT ECONOMIC, MORE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN OUR TOWN. BUT WHEN THE AUTO MALL WAS BUILT, THEY PROMISED THE SAME THING. THE FACTORY OUTLET PROMISED THE SAME THING. UM, I'M NOT SURE WE'RE GOING TO GET WHAT WE REALLY ARE EXPECTING. UM, I JUST HEARD DURING THE BREAK, THIS IS VERY SAD NEWS THAT SIENNA ANTIQUES HAS RECENTLY LOST THEIR LEASE. AND BY, UM, I THINK THE END OF DECEMBER, THEY WILL BE NO LONGER IN THAT THREE STORY LOCATION ON OMO BOULEVARD. SO WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER EMPTY BUILDING, UM, THAT HAS LOTS OF POTENTIAL, BUT, UM, THEIR LEASE WAS LOST THERE. UM, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY OWNER IS TRYING TO SELL THE, THE BUILDING AND THEIR INSURANCE TRIPLED, SO THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO AFFORD TO HAVE A LARGE RETAIL SPOT. SO THAT'S REALLY SAD. PARKING IS AN ISSUE. UM, DECEMBER IS GONNA BE REALLY BAD WHEN BREWSTERS HAS THEIR MIRACLE HOLIDAY EXTRAVAGANZA. THERE IS NO PARKING TO BE HAD BECAUSE, UM, PEOPLE DON'T WANNA TAKE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AFTER DARK WHEN IT IS SO DARK. THEY WANNA BE ABLE TO WALK TO THEIR VEHICLES. UM, AND THESE PARKING, THESE, UM, STREETS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA ARE VERY DARK. I'VE BEEN ADVOCATING FOR TWINKLY LIGHTS ALL YEAR ON ALL THE TREES THAT WE DO HAVE IN THE AREA. UM, SO IT BRIGHTENS UP THE STREET SO IT'S NOT SO SCARY AND SKETCHY WALKING TO THE PARKING GARAGE FROM SEAD OR KATINA CIOS. AND THE BIGGEST CHAIN LENGTH, UM, EMPTY LOT IS RIGHT NEXT TO SMART, AND I BELIEVE IT'S OWNED BY SMART. BUT NEXT TO THAT, NOT CHAINLINK OFF IS THE WELLER STREET PARCEL, WHICH I KNOW 20 YEARS AGO COULDN'T PASS THE SMART CODE. UM, RETAIL STORES LACK THE FOOT TRAFFIC, AS WE'VE SAID. AND WE MIGHT WANNA RE, UM, EXAMINE THE, UM, TWO HOUR BLOCK FACE PARKING THAT WE PUT IN PLACE ABOUT 15, 20 YEARS AGO. UM, BECAUSE IF YOU GO TO GET YOUR HAIR DONE, YOU WANNA GO TO LUNCH AND CELEBRATE, AND THEN YOU WANNA GO SHOPPING, YOU'RE GONNA GET A PARKING TICKET. AND IF YOU MOVE YOUR CAR A BLOCK AFTER YOUR HAIR APPOINTMENT, YOU'RE GONNA GET A TICKET BECAUSE YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE TO MOVE OUT OF THAT BLOCK FACE AREA. SO THERE PARKING REALLY NEEDS TO BE REEXAMINED AND MAYBE RETHOUGHT ON HOW TO, TO DO THE PUBLIC PARKING DOWNTOWN SO THAT THEY HAVE MORE SPACES. SO I THINK THAT'S ALL MY NOTES TONIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR. OKAY. SO LOTS OF IDEAS, UH, I'D LIKE TO SHARE AS EVERYONE ELSE HAS. UM, JUST THE FOLKS THAT I DO KNOW THAT HAVE GONE TO A DOWNTOWN CONDO TO LIVE WITHOUT A CAR, UM, THERE'S LOTS OF EXAMPLES OF THAT. THERE'S EVEN A CARLESS CITY IN ENTIRE COMMUNITY NOW IN ARIZONA. UH, NO CARS, UH, GET TO DRIVE, AND THEY HAVE A FEW VISITING POTS. SO THERE IS A CHANGE IN CULTURE THAT'S HAPPENING, UH, EVERYWHERE. AND I'VE KNOWN SEVERAL FOLKS THAT HAVE GONE TO, UM, A, THAT'S UP BRAND CONDOS IN A DOWNTOWN AREA TO LIVE WITHOUT A CAR, BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE TRANSPORT AVAILABLE TO THEM JUST ABOUT EVERYWHERE, INCLUDING TO THE AIRPORT. UH, DO WHAT THEY NEED. AND THEY EVEN GET UBER, WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET AROUND TOWN. SO THAT, THAT, AND ALSO SOME YOUNG FOLKS, LIKE, LIKE MY SON, UH, HEY, THAT WOULD BE NO PROBLEM. HE WENT TO COLLEGE ON A SKATEBOARD FOUR YEARS SO HE COULD GET AROUND TOWN, DO WHAT EVERYONE DID. SO THERE'S A LOT OF YOUNG FOLKS THAT CAN GET AROUND BICYCLES AND THE LIKE, AND, AND THEY'RE GONNA BE THE NEW OWNERS OF LET'S SAY A, UM, UH, UH, CONDOS WITH SMALL UNITS. THERE'S AN EIGHT STORY, ONE BEING BUILT IN SANTA ROSA. AGAIN, NO PARKING, EIGHT STORIES. AND IT'S FOUR YOUNG FOLKS THAT ARE IN THEIR THIRTIES WHO WANNA LIVE IN, UH, 400 SQUARE FOOT RIGHT NOW. I JUST FINISHED BUILDING A DU WITH 300 SQUARE FOOT FOR MY SON. AND HE, AND PROBLEM, HE'S GONNA BE THERE FOR FIVE YEARS, AND HE'S IN HIS THIRTIES, NO PROBLEM. HE SAYS HE LOVES IT. SO THERE IS A NEW MOVEMENT, AND WE NEED [04:35:01] TO BE AWARE OF THAT. UM, I AM, UH, OVERALL I AM IN FAVOR OF, UH, THE HOTEL, OF A HOTEL, MAYBE REDESIGN. UM, BUT I'M NOT OFFENDED BY THE CURRENT DESIGN AS MUCH. I WISH IT WASN'T SO SQUAREISH, UM, WISH I WAS ROUNDNESS AND HAD SOME OTHER DESIGNED FEATURES WITHIN IT. UM, BUT IT'S, IT'S ONLY A HUNDRED FOOT BY 140 FOOT AND, AND YOU ONLY, IT'S ONLY PHYSICALLY FOUR STORIES WITH, WITH WHAT YOU MOSTLY DON'T SEE ABOVE THAT, UM, FOR MOST OF THE DIRECTIONS. SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT COULD BE DONE WITH, WITH MORE VISUALIZATIONS, UH, 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE AS BIG AS PEOPLE BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO BE. UM, BUT IT'S STILL, IT'S ALL BIG, BIG BUILDING. IT'S GONNA HAVE SHADOWS, IT'S GONNA HAVE SOME SHADE, GONNA HAVE SOME COOLING EFFECT, WHICH WE ACTUALLY NEED IN THE SUMMERTIME. UH, 'CAUSE THAT'S THE BEST SHADE THAT YOU CAN GET FOR REDUCED HEAT. SO THERE'S SOME ALL SORTS ADVANTAGES AND DISADVANTAGES OF JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING GONE TO NO BEFORE YOU GROW FOR SEVERAL YEARS. AND A LOT OF TOPICS ABOUT THE, UM, HOUSING, WHERE THE BEST PLACE TO PUT HOUSING FOR BOTH A TAX BASE, FOR EFFICIENCIES, FOR, UM, BOTH FOR THE WATER, FOR THE SEWERS, EVERYTHING. AND TURNS OUT THAT, UH, DOWNTOWN IS THE BEST, MOST EFFICIENT ECONOMIC WAY OF CREATING A TAX BASE THAT WORKS AND PUTTING SOMETHING DOWNTOWN, UM, AND, AND DOING A HIGHER DENSITY DOWN THERE. AND SINCE WE HAVE AN URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY, WHICH WE'VE HIT THE BOUNDARIES, WE NEED TO START THINKING ABOUT GOING UP IN OUR DOWNTOWN AREA. SO WE ARE TURNING INTO A CITY. WE'RE NOT A SMALL LITTLE COUNTRY AG TOWN ANYMORE, BUT WE ARE TURNING INTO A CITY. UM, AND SO THAT, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A FEAR THAT WE'RE MAKING THIS TRANSITION. SO YES, WE'RE GOING TO BE EVENTUALLY A HUNDRED THOUSAND PEOPLE IN 50 YEARS. THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HEADING. SO, UM, WE NEED BETTER THINKING ABOUT THAT. SO WE'RE NOT A SMALL LITTLE 20,000 AG TOWN. UM, BUT HOW TO GET THERE AND HOW IS IT GOING TO BE THERE? I THINK THERE IS SOLUTIONS. UH, SOME OF THE THINGS I'M GONNA RECOMMEND, UM, THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES, THE ASSOCIATION HAS WRITTEN A, A, A VERY, UM, UH, LETTER THAT'S SO A LOT OF SUPPORT FOR THE DOWNTOWN OVERLAY AND THE HOTEL, THE BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN WANT IT. THEY, THEY'VE BEEN, THEY'VE ANNOUNCED IT. THEY'VE WRITTEN A LETTER NOW. UH, AND OVERALL THEY WANT SOMETHING DOWN THERE. WE NEED TO REVITALIZE DOWNTOWN. IS THIS THE BEST WAY TO DO IT? IS THIS PROCESS WHAT WE DID? NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT. DON'T LIKE THE PROCESS AT ALL. I HAVE BEEN VOCAL ABOUT THAT. UM, SO FOR REVITALIZATION, WE NEED TO COME UP WITH A BETTER PLAN FOR, AND I THINK THIS IS A STEP IN THE PROCESS OF THE GENERAL PLAN. THIS IS NOT SEPARATE. THIS IS THE FIRST INITIAL STEP. IS IT GONNA BE OKAY TO DO THIS STEP OF, OF FOUR TO SIX BUILT STORY BUILDINGS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA? AND THAT'S GOING TO EMPHASIZE, OKAY, CHANGE WHAT WE DO DOWNTOWN. THAT WAS THE, I WAS IN PART OF G UH, THE GENERAL PLAN COMMITTEE FOR A COUPLE YEARS. AND ALL THE LAND USE AREAS WERE DEFINED AND TALKED ABOUT EXCEPT DOWNTOWN. THIS IS WHERE IT'S HAPPENING, THE DISCUSSION ON WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO TO REVITALIZE OUR DOWNTOWN? HOW CAN WE DO IT? WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? UM, I THINK THE PROCESS GOT MESSED UP BECAUSE WE GOT STUCK. THE HOTEL CAME IN AND WE TRIED TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. I'M DISAPPOINTED, LIKE MIKE HEALY IS ON THE, UM, DISCUSSION ON, 'CAUSE MY IMPRESSION WAS, OH, WE CAN'T DO THE SPOT CHECKING. THAT'S WHAT WE, THAT'S WHAT MY UNDERSTANDING WAS. THIS WAS THE BEST AND ONLY WAY THAT WE COULD GET THE WHOLE PROCESS DONE. AND THEN I WENT, OH, WE, WE CAN DO SPOT. OKAY. SO THAT'S A LITTLE DISTURBING. UM, IF WE CAN GO BACK TO THAT, AND AT LEAST RIGHT NOW, JUST TO GET THE HOTEL IN, AT LEAST DISCUSS, SO WE AT LEAST TALK ABOUT DESIGN. GREAT. LET'S DO THAT. LET'S GET THE HOTEL IN RIGHT NOW. UM, AND, BUT WE NEED TO REVITALIZE THE DOWNTOWN. THE OVERLAY IS, I WOULD SUGGEST, IS GONNA BE PART OF THE REVITALIZATION. WE HAVE TO GET RID OF CHAIN LINK FENCES. WE GOTTA TO GET RID OF THE VACANT LOTS. WE HAVE TO ADD MORE BUSINESSES AND, AND UPGRADE A LITTLE BIT. UH, WHAT'S DOWN HERE? WE HAVE TO KEEP, AND I DON'T THINK THE, UM, HOTEL IS GOING TO DISRUPT THIS HISTORIC DISTRICT. I DON'T THINK THE OVERLAY SENDING SIX STORIES, ESPECIALLY WITH ALL THE SETBACKS AND THE DESIGNS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE PUTTING IN AS IF THEY'RE GONNA BE REVISED AND MADE A LITTLE BIT BETTER. I DON'T THINK THE HEIGHTS IS GONNA BE THAT MUCH IMPACT. IT'S NOT GONNA DESTROY ANYTHING. UM, IT'LL JUST BRING MORE PEOPLE DOWNTOWN. SO THE COMBINATION OF NOTHING'S GETTING DESTROYED, WE'RE JUST OPENING THE DOOR FOR MORE AND POSSIBLY BETTER. BUT WE'RE GONNA REVIEW THE PROCESS, SO THAT'S GONNA BE FINE. SO I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE FINE MOVING FORWARD. UM, I THINK WE DO NEED A HISTORIC ASSESSMENT, UH, THAT IS BEING NOT SATISFACTORILY DONE. I THINK I AGREE WITH BILL AND, AND CATHERINE REINHARDT'S LETTER ON THAT ONE. UM, THE ECONOMIC ANALYSIS OF THE, UH, THE ACTUAL, UH, BUSINESS, UH, EKN AND THE OWNERS, I THINK THAT GOT BYPASSED A LITTLE BIT. I DON'T THINK, I THINK WE'VE BEEN TOO AGREEABLE. AND SO THAT WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK INTO, UH, THAT BEFORE WE AGREE TO ANYTHING ON THAT HOTEL, UH, WE NEED TO. AND, AND, AND PART OF, I'M DISAPPOINTED THAT, THAT, THAT GOT NAMED AN ECONOMIC VALUE ANALYSIS FOR OUR DOWNTOWN AND THE OVERLAY. UM, THE ECONOMIC ANALYSIS IS STRICTLY FOR THE HOTEL, NOT FOR THE OVERLAY, NOT FOR THE DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION. I WOULD RATHER, I WAS EXPECTING TO SEE A HUGE [04:40:01] ECONOMIC ANALYSIS FOR BUSINESSES, FOR RESTAURANTS, FOR, UM, INCLUDING OUR PARKING, OUR TRAFFIC. I WAS EXPECTING THAT TO BE PART OF IT. THE, UH, EIRI WAS DISSATISFIED. IT WAS DIDN'T COME THROUGH THE WAY I WANTED IT TO COME THROUGH. UH, TO ONLY COVERED THE MINIMUM LEGAL REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAD TO DO WAS NOT, IT WAS INADEQUATE TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS WE NEED TO TAKE IN ALL THE QUESTIONS. WE'VE GOTTEN ALL THE COMMENTS AND MAKE A LIST. THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE ARE UNHAPPY WITH. YES, LET'S AGREE. LET'S MAKE THAT LIST AND SAY, YEAH, WE NEED TO HAVE AN ANSWER TO EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE COMMENTS TONIGHT AND IN PRIOR NOTES. THAT SHOULD BE ALL PART OF THE Q AND A ON OUR WEBSITE, UH, TO BE BUILT UP. THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO PUT OUR TIME IN. UH, WE NEED TO BE, UH, AT LEAST RECOGNIZED EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID AND COME UP WITH AN APPROPRIATE ANSWER. MAYBE NOT WHAT PEOPLE LIKE, BUT WE NEED TO COME UP WITH AN ANSWER. UM, AND, UM, AS FAR AS THE PARKING, AS I SAID, THERE ARE SOLUTIONS IN THE REPORT, FINALLY AT THE LAST PAGE OF THE WHATEVER TENS OF PAGES FINALLY GOT TO PARKING. THERE ARE SOLUTIONS. THERE WERE SOME CREATIVE IDEAS THAT WERE IN THE REPORT STAFF REPORT. I REALLY LIKE THOSE IDEAS. UM, AND I THINK THAT'S SOLVABLE WITH THE IDEAS THAT WERE PRESENTED. AND THEY, I DON'T THINK THAT WERE FULLY PRESENTED OR, UH, TONIGHT AS WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT PARKING. THERE'S PRIVATE PARKING. WE COULD, WE CAN WORK WITH AND, UH, VARIOUS THINGS. UM, THE TWO BANKS THAT PRETTY MUCH, UH, YOU GO DOWNTOWN, THERE'S NO PARKING IN THE STREET, BUT THOSE OUT, THERE'S LIKE THREE OR FOUR LOTS TOTALLY EMPTY. THERE'S 50 TO A HUNDRED SPACES EMPTY. WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO PARK. THAT'S GOTTA ALL CHANGE. SO, UM, ONCE WE GET THE, THAT CHANGED, THEN YEAH, WE'LL HAVE PLENTY OF PARKING. UM, BUT WE GOTTA GO AFTER THAT AND MAKE THAT A REAL POSSIBILITY. UM, AND IN THE DESIGN REVIEW, YEAH, WE NEED TO, UH, THE, UH, THE COMMISSION THAT'S WORKING ON, UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION ALSO NEEDS TO HAVE SOME ARCHITECTS AND OTHER FOLKS IN IT THAT REALLY DO HELP OUT WITH THE DESIGN ISSUES AND MAKE THAT WORK. SO WHETHER IT'S A AD HOC COMMITTEE, A SEPARATE COMMITTEE, WHATEVER THAT IS, AND IF WE NEED AN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT TO GO THROUGH THE HISTORIC ASSESSMENT, UH, AND DO EVALUATION LIKE CATHERINE AND BILL REINHARDT SUGGESTED, THEN YEAH, WE NEED TO DO THAT TOO. BUT I'M LOOKING FOR A COMPREHENSIVE ECONOMIC ANALYSIS OF THIS OVERLAY NOT SUPPORTING THE HOTEL. I WANT A COMPLETE REVITALIZATION REPORT, AND I WANT TO BE PART OF THE OVERLAY. UH, I WANT A PART OF THE WHOLE GENERAL PLAN PUSHED FORWARD. BUT IF THE HOTEL, IF WE CAN PUT, MAKE THAT, OKAY, THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT CAN HAPPEN IN THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO, LET'S MAKE THAT HAPPEN. UM, AND I CAN LIVE WITH THE, UH, AS, AS ALL THE COMPLAINTS ABOUT IT. I THINK IT'LL BE OKAY AND FINE. AND I'LL, I I WOULD GO WITH IT WITH, WITH A SLIGHT, SOME DESIGN FEATURES CHANGED, UM, AND MAKE THAT GO ANYWAY. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. UH, MY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT'S CAN CAN I ASK A, A CLARIFYING QUESTION? SURE. COUNCIL MEMBER SHIS. UM, WHY DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU NEED A COMPLETE ECONOMIC ANALYSIS OF THE FULL OVERLAY? UM, IT'S NOT THE, UH, THE, WELL, PART OF IT IN ON THE OVERLAY IS IT'D BE NICE TO KNOW, UM, IF THERE'S NUMBERS OF PEOPLE SHOWING UP, NUMBER OF CARS SHOWING UP, WHERE ARE THE CARS GONNA PARK? SO THERE IS AN IMPACT ON THE LOCALS. WE NEED TO KNOW THAT. WE ALSO NEED TO HAVE ON THE, UM, FOR THE HOTEL FOLKS, UH, WE HAVE LIKE THE INCOME FROM DIRECTLY. WE HAVE SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS THAT CAME TO US, BUT HIGH, BUT NOT ENOUGH ON THE ACTUAL INCREASE IN THE BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN, WHICH IS WHAT THE DOWNTOWN ASSOCIATION I THINK WANTS INCREASE. WE'RE GONNA SEE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS COME IN FROM THE HOTEL IN OUR BUSINESSES, WHICH HAS NOT BEEN LISTED AND NOT BEEN ANALYZED. OKAY, GOOD ANSWER. NUMBER OF FOLKS THAT ARE IN THE HO THAT'S COMING, IF WE HAVE SIX TWO, JUST TWO FIVE STORY, NOT SIX STORY, JUST FIVE STORY PARKING UNDERNEATH FOUR, FOUR STORIES UP ABOVE, MAKE THAT POSSIBLE. DEVELOPERS WOULD SAY THEY DO THAT, THAT WOULD BRING A WHOLE LOT OF BUSINESS TO DOWNTOWN. SO THAT NEEDS TO BE THE ECONOMIC ELSE OF THAT. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY. ALL RIGHT. MY TAKE, UM, YOU KNOW, SINCE I GOT ON COUNCIL, I PUSHED HARD FOR HOUSING. I MEAN, WE HAVE A SERIOUS HOUSING PROBLEM, SO, UM, I'M VERY HAPPY TO HAVE THE OVERLAY BE FOCUSED ON HOW HAVE A HOUSING ELEMENT. UH, LIKE YOU MENTIONED, WE'VE FIGURED OUT THE BEST PLACE TO PUT HOUSING IS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. AND AS, UH, COUNCILMAN BARNACLES SUGGESTED WE EVEN NEED TO DO SOME AFFORDABLE BY DESIGN TYPES OF THINGS WITH THE HOUSING. BUT, UM, DESPITE ALL THE PUSH ON THAT, HOUSING'S A VERY TOUGH NUT TO CRACK. WE'RE NOT GETTING MUCH BUILT AND THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GETTING BUILT LOOK LIKE STUFF FROM BEFORE ON THE EDGES OF TOWN, UH, OUT IN THE OUTER AREAS, UM, WHERE WE CONTINUE TO INDUCE NEW, UH, CLIMATE PROBLEMS. AND WE, BUT WE KNOW THE ANSWER. THE ANSWER IS DO SOMETHING DOWNTOWN. WE HAVE TO GET IT RIGHT. WE DON'T WANT TO WILLY-NILLY WHAT WE DO DOWNTOWN, BUT, BUT I'M VERY HAPPY THAT THERE'S A, UH, HOUSING OPPORTUNITY OVERLAY COMPONENT. I THINK OVER, [04:45:01] UH, OPPORTUNITY TIES TO SOMEBODY SHOWED UP WITH A PROPOSAL FOR A HOTEL WHEN EVERYBODY SAID, YOU CAN'T BUILD ANYTHING. NOTHING WORKS. BUT THE FOUR STORY HOTEL CHASED OUT OF TOWN FOR A VARIETY OF OUR RULES, W DIDN'T WORK FOR THEM. AND, AND EVEN THOUGH IT WAS THE PERMITTED THING TO DO, THEY JUST COULDN'T MAKE A A VIABLE DEAL. SO WE CONTINUED TO HAVE THE VACANT LOTS THERE. AND, UM, THIS WAS SOMEONE WHO SAID, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY THERE'S A MARKET FOR, FOR, FOR A LUXURY HOTEL HERE. UM, AND SO HE'S WILLING TO STAKE HIS $50 MILLION ON IT. AND I TRUST THAT WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS THAT THEY'RE PUTTING THEIR, THAT MUCH OF THEIR MONEY IN THE GAME, THAT THEY THINK THEY'RE GONNA MAKE A PROFIT ON THE DEAL. NOW, WHETHER WE'VE STRUCK THE RIGHT DEAL FOR HOW TOUGH WE ARE AND, AND NEGOTIATE OR NOT, BUT I THINK THE HOTEL IS VIABLE FOR THEM. AND SO THE QUESTION IS, IS IT RIGHT FOR THE TOWN? I LOOK AT IT AS OPPORTUNITY. ALL THE THINGS WE HAVE IN THE BOOK FOR HOUSING NOW, DON'T DRIVE US INTO BETTER HOUSING POSITION. ALL THE THINGS WE HAVE ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NOW, DON'T DRIVE US INTO BETTER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE TO TAKE A RISK. WE HAVE TO TAKE A CHANCE THAT MAYBE OUR RULES AREN'T RIGHT, RIGHT NOW. AND WE HAVE TO LOOK AT OP, THE WORD OPPORTUNITY KEEPS COMING UP, AND IT'S THE RIGHT WORD FOR WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE. UM, THE, UM, THE EFFORT THAT WAS MADE FOR AREA BROADENING AREA A TO BE MORE THAN THE HOTEL, AND TO ADD B AND TO ADD C AND, AND, AND ALL, ALL THE, THE MIX ON THAT IS TO ME SEEMS VERY STRATEGIC AND SURGICAL. UH, I APPRECIATED WHAT PLANNING DID TO REFINE PLANNING COMMISSION DID TO REFINE, UH, THE AREA AND, AND DEFINE IT. YOU KNOW, I MIGHT WISH FOR A LOT OF HOUSING, BUT I THINK IF WE GET ONE 50 UNIT OR TWO 50 UNIT, UM, UH, DEVELOPMENTS ADDED THIS, UH, OVERLAY, I THINK THERE'D BE A HUGE SUCCESS. AND IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE OVERALL HOUSING IN THE CITY. THE CRISIS WILL STILL BE THE CRISIS. BUT FOR THE 50 OR A HUNDRED PEOPLE THAT DO GET A HOUSE IN HERE, THAT'S REALLY IMPACTFUL. I MEAN, THAT'S CHANGING LIVES AND LIKELY IT'S ALSO ADDRESSING OUR JOBS IN THE COMMUNITY THING. I SEE POOR PEOPLE GETTING PUSHED FURTHER AND FURTHER AWAY AND DRIVING FURTHER AND FURTHER. AND ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, WRECKING POVERTY IS A TRAP AND POVERTY IS WRECKING LIVES. AND IF WE HAVE A CHANCE TO HAVE MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN TOWN DOWNTOWN NEAR JOBS WITH LESS CAR DEPENDENCY IN IT, I MEAN, IF WE COULD DO THAT, THAT WOULD BE A BIG WIN FOR PEOPLE. UM, I DO THINK THAT, UM, THAT, I MEAN, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE REPORTS, HAVING IDEAS FOR HOW TO FIX THE EXISTING PROBLEMS BECAUSE SO MUCH OF WHAT WE'RE REACTIONARY TO IS THE EXISTING TRAFFIC. ME AND YOU DRIVING, WE KNOW, AND ESPECIALLY IF WE DRIVE AROUND AND LOOK FOR EVERY SINGLE PARKING SPOT IN TOWN, I KNOW WHERE TRAFFIC'S COMING FROM. BUT, UM, THE, UM, THE, THE, THE PROBLEMS IN OUR COMMUNITY ARE, UH, THE TRAFFIC PROBLEM, THE PARKING PROBLEM, THE CLIMATE PROBLEM, THAT'S ALL THE EXISTING PEOPLE. I DON'T THINK THE PROPOSAL MADE HERE IS SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGING THE PROBLEM WE HAVE. AND WE CAN'T STOP THE FUTURE ON THE INCREMENTAL CHANGE THAT'S POSSIBLE THAT, THAT WE BE INDUCING HERE. UM, SO I LOVE ALL THE IDEAS THAT STAFF'S THROWN OUT FOR HOW TO FIX EXISTING PROBLEMS. I THINK THAT'S A REAL CONTRIBUTION TO THE REPORT. EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT IN THE OVERLAY, THEY'RE IN NEXT YEAR'S CAPITAL BUDGET OR WHEREVER WE'RE ABLE TO PUT A, UM, OCCU, UH, HOW MANY SPOTS ARE OCCUPIED INSIDE THE PARKING GARAGE METER UP, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT. UH, TRACKING THE RECORD OF HOW MANY PARKING SPOTS ARE IN THE PARKING GARAGES AND THINGS. THOSE ARE ALL GREAT THINGS. I'M GLAD THEY'RE IN THERE. I DO THINK THAT, UH, WE NEED THE HISTORICAL CONTEXT, UH, STATEMENTS. I DO THINK WE NEED THE CLGC REPORT. UM, CERTAINLY THE CONTEXT WAS IN THE LAST GENERAL PLAN 20 YEARS AGO, WE HAVEN'T DONE IT. IT'S LIKE WE GOTTA PICK UP AND, YOU KNOW, FULFILL THE COMMITMENTS WE MADE FROM BEFORE. AND WITH THE, WITH THE CLGC, THAT'S OPPORTUNITY. AGAIN, THEY WON'T BE TIED INTO THE OVERLAY, BUT THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE A COMMITMENT TO DOING TO MAKE, UM, THE TOWN BETTER HERE. UM, I I I THINK IT'S REAL SURGICAL WHAT WE DID WITH, UM, A, B, AND C. UM, THEY DON'T INCLUDE, UM, HAMBURGER JOINTS THAT HAVE BEEN VACANT FOR A WHILE AND FENCED AND AND WHATNOT. AND, AND I'D LIKE THAT. BUT, BUT I THINK WE JUST DO A SURGICAL THING AND TRY AND TO HAVE ONE THING DONE, RIGHT? UM, AND, AND IN FACT, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, AN BURGER JOINT BEING REPLACED BY A NEW BURGER JOINT JOINT REALLY ISN'T THIS KIND OF CONTRIBUTOR TO THE TAX BASIS SALES [04:50:01] TAX BASIS AND THINGS THAT, THAT WE HAVE IN TOWN. SO WE NEED TO FIND SOMEONE WHO WILL DO A HOTEL OR A HOUSING PRO SOLVE REAL NEEDS AND REALLY FOCUS ON ONE WIN. UM, I I, I, BOTTOM LINE THOUGH IS IT'S LIKE I REALLY WORRY IN COMMUNITY WHETHER WE WILL EVER END THE CRITICISM OF THE HOTEL. I THINK IF IT WAS FOUR STORIES, WE'D STILL BE FIGHTING BATTLES. IF IT WAS THREE STORIES, WE'D STILL BE FIGHTING BATTLE. PEOPLE WOULD SAY, WELL, I SUPPORT THIS PART OF IT, BUT YOU DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE WATER SUPPLIER, YOU DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE THIS THING. THERE WILL ALWAYS BE OBJECTIONS. AND THAT'S WHY COUNCIL HAS TO MAKE A DECISION. IT'S LIKE, WHAT DO WE SUPPORT? WHERE'S LEADERSHIP? WHAT DO WE THINK THE RIGHT THING TO DO IS? UM, WE LISTEN TO EVERYBODY. WE, WE REALLY, WE REALLY DO. AND UH, AND UH, AND WE LISTEN TO EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM AND WE LISTEN TO EVERYBODY ON THE STREET THAT WE BUMP INTO. AND THAT BROAD PERSPECTIVE INFORMS US. SO LEAVING IT AT, AT, AT THAT FOR COMMENTS, I KIND OF WANT TO, UM, TALK ABOUT GETTING BACK TO THE DIRECTION TO STAFF TONIGHT. AND I THINK THERE'S SEVERAL THINGS THAT ARE A LITTLE EASIER TO TALK ABOUT. AND, AND SO I'LL JUST TOSS OUT A THING AND UM, AND, AND LET IT STAY FOCUSED ON THE ONE THING, LIKE ON THE 75 FOOT LEVEL, WE TALKED ABOUT HOW MUCH MORE INCLUSIVE HOUSING NEEDS TO BE THERE. I THINK IT SHOULD HAVE A DEFINITION ON IT. DOES ANYBODY WANT TO STAB AT A, A NEW, UH, TAKING SOME OF THESE FUZZY THINGS AND MAKING THEM SPECIFIC? SO, SO THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER COMMENTS THAT CAME UP ON MY END THAT I THINK TIE TO THIS, BUT CAN I, CAN I MENTION A COUPLE OF THOSE? YOU WANT TO, SO THERE'S BEEN THIS TALK NINE STORIES, RIGHT? ALRIGHT, WELL GREAT. LET'S, I'LL BACK OFF THE, TRYING TO GET THE STAFF THING AND LET'S HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONVERSATION. YEAH. UM, I THINK IT'D BE INTERESTING TO, UH, I ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT SPLITTING UP THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE COMMERCIAL AND MAKING IT SO THAT ONLY COMMERCIAL PROJECTS CAN APPLY TO GO ABOVE, UH, FOUR STORIES. UM, RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO USE STATE DENSITY BONUS LAW TO INCREASE THE HEIGHT, THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, BUT WE OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, CREATE A PREVENTATIVE MEASURE AGAINST, YOU KNOW, NINE STORY BUILDINGS FOR EXAMPLE, THAT'S BEEN THROWN OUT. I DON'T THINK IT'LL EVER HAPPEN. UM, I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S, IT'S FEASIBLE, BUT I KNOW THERE'S CONCERN IN THE COMMUNITY, UM, AND I THINK, UM, WOULDN'T BE RIGHT FOR US TO NOT TALK ABOUT NINE STORY BUILDINGS HERE TONIGHT. SO CAN SOMEONE ADDRESS THAT CONCERN? UM, AND, UH, IF ANY ELEGANT MEASURES, I KNOW THERE'S NO SHORTAGE OF WAYS THAT WE CAN MITIGATE THAT CONCERN. I CAN, I'LL TAKE THAT ONE. THANKS COUNCILMAN. UM, SO WHERE THE THEORETICAL PROPOSAL TO LAND ON NINE STORIES, UM, FOR SOMETHING TO GO ABOVE 75 FEET IS BURIED IN, UM, A WHAT SEEMS TO BE A EVER CHANGING, UH, STATE DENSITY BONUS LAW. AND SO, UH, THERE'S PROVISION IN THERE ABOUT THE ABILITY FOR A 100%, UM, ELIG, UH, A HUNDRED PERCENT AFFORDABLE PROJECT, A QUALIFYING PROJECT TO BE ABLE TO SEEK AN ADDITIONAL 33 FEET, UM, IN HEIGHT, UM, WITHIN PROXIMITY OF HIGH QUALITY TRANSIT, WHICH, UM, AS WE COVERED THIS EVENING, UH, MOST, UM, OF DOWNTOWN, UM, STATE DENSITY BONUS LAW HAS, UH, BEEN IN INTACT FOR UM, DECADES. UM, AND SO EVEN BEFORE THE INTRODU INTRODUCTION OF THAT, UM, MODIFICATION TO THE STATE LAW, UM, THEORETICALLY IT COULD HAVE HAPPENED, UM, ALL ALONG. UM, IT COULD HAPPEN TODAY, IT COULD BE SUBMITTED. UM, AND IN REALITY IT JUST HASN'T HAPPENED BECAUSE OF ALL THE ECONOMIC COMPONENTS TO IT AND THE CHALLENGES TO IT. UM, I MEAN THERE WAS A COMMENT EARLIER ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LET'S PUT THE HEIGHT, THE SIX STORIES, THE SEVEN STORIES, ET CETERA, RIGHT BY THE TRAIN STATION. AND THAT HAS BEEN IN PLACE WITH THE CPSP AND THE SMART CODE, UM, FOR, YOU KNOW, GOING ON 15 YEARS AT THIS POINT. UM, MY QUESTION I GUESS IS, UM, RIGHT NOW, LET'S SAY A MARKET RATE RESIDENTIAL PROJECT, RIGHT? IF A MARKET RATE RESIDENTIAL PROJECT WERE TO BE PROPOSED, WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO GO ABOVE OUR 45 FOOT HEIGHT, UH, LIMIT? LIKE WHAT KIND OF INCLUSIONARY REQUIREMENTS [04:55:01] WOULD NEED TO BE MET? THAT SORT OF THING. 'CAUSE THEY CAN GET CONCESSIONS, RIGHT? TO GO ABOVE OUR 45 FOOT HEIGHT LIMIT RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? SO A DEVELOPER COULD SEEK EVEN PROPOSING A 15% INCLUSIONARY JUST THE BASE LEVEL, UM, JUST BY COMING IN ON OUR CITY REQUIREMENT, UM, THEY ARE ALREADY AFFORDED THE ABILITY TO HAVE A CONCESSION, UM, WHICH COULD BE ADDING ANOTHER FLOOR, WHICH HAS, RIGHT. SO HEIGHT IS A DEVELOPMENT STANDARD. EXACTLY. SO I WISH I WOULD'VE ASKED THIS QUESTION WHEN EVERYBODY WAS STILL IN THE AUDIENCE. UM, BUT JUST TO, TO MAKE THAT CRYSTAL CLEAR, RIGHT NOW, DEVELOPERS CAN GO ABOVE OUR CURRENT 45 FOOT A MARKET RATE DEVELOPER AND AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT, A HUNDRED PERCENT COULD GO UP TO SEVEN FLOORS, RIGHT? OR TO 78 FEET, RIGHT. UM, WITH A HUNDRED PERCENT AFFORDABLE PROJECT AND NO, NO PARKING ON SITE, RIGHT. AND COMPLETELY SEPARATE AND IRRESPECTIVE OF THE OVERLAY JUST UNDER EXISTING LAW. EXACTLY, YES. SO, UM, I GUESS MY MY POINT OF SEPARATING OUT RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL WOULD JUST BE TO ALLOW STATE DENSITY BONUS LOCK AND COULD CONTINUE TO APPLY TO RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS AND JUST APPLY THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE THE SIXTH FLOOR THING TO COMMERCIAL. UM, AND I STILL GO BACK TO WANTING TO INCREASE THE DENSITY BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S REALLY HOLDING BACK A LOT OF THE RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS FROM, UM, MATERIALIZING. I THINK, UM, I THINK, UH, YOU MIGHT OPEN THE KETTLE FISH AND EACH OF US MIGHT HAVE A LITTLE REFINING QUESTION OR CLARIFYING QUESTION OF STAFF COUNCIL MEMBER HEALY, YOU WANNA FOLLOW UP ON THAT? AND I, A COUPLE MORE QUE COMMENTS. UM, I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER POST K ABOUT THE NEED TO LET'S I GONNA PUT A PIN IN SOMETHING. ANYTHING, UM, CAN WE, UM, CAN WE TRY AND PUT A PIN IN, IN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING NINE STORY PIN IT? OKAY. DID, DID YOU HAVE A FOLLOW UP ON THE NINE STORY? IS THAT WHERE, UH, WE, YOUR COMMENT? UM, SO WE, THE OVERLAY IS TO ALLOW FOR SIX NO CHANGE IN DENSITY AND, AND AFFORDABLE CAN TAKE THE SIX AND DO ALL KINDS OF THINGS WITH IT. AND AFFORDABLE, YOU KNOW, LARGE, A HUNDRED PERCENT AFFORDABLE, CAN CHANGE DENSITY ON IT, CAN DO WHATEVER THEY PRETTY MUCH HAVE, YOU KNOW, OKAY. RIGHT. SO SORT OF WHAT'S THE POINT IN GOING TO SIX THERE? IF THEY CAN ALREADY GO TO SIX, WHY DON'T WE JUST GO TO FOUR IN A MARKET RATE, IF THEY'RE AT 15%, THEY GET ONE CONCESSION, WHICH THEY CAN USE FOR HEIGHT. AT WHAT RATE DO THEY, WHEN DO THEY GET TO THE SECOND CONCESSION? CAN THEY EVER USE A, UM, PROPERTY DENSITY THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD TAKE 'EM UP TO MORE THAN WHERE WE, WHERE IT WOULD BE AN INCENTIVE FOR HOUSING FOR THEM? SO THE INCENT, SO THERE'S A REALLY, UM, IT'S A, IT'S A EYE-OPENING CHART, BUT BASICALLY IT, IT SHOWS ALL THE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT A DEVELOPER COULD ACCOMPLISH AND UTILIZE THE STATE DENSITY BONUS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, AND SO IT GOES INCREMENTAL. SO IF YOU GO ABOVE THE 15% AND YOU GET, YOU KNOW, UP TO 18 OR 20%, UM, YOU START TO UM, BE ABLE TO ACCESS ADDITIONAL DENSITY. UM, SO THAT, UM, AND I THINK ONE THING THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND WITH WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED IN THE OVERLAY, IT IS NOT JUST ABOUT THE HEIGHT, RIGHT? SO THERE'S ADDITIONAL COMPONENTS THAT WILL CONTINUE TO BE, UM, AT LEAST AS PROPOSED TO BE ATTRACTIVE FOR MARKET RATE FOR AFFORDABLE. YES. IT'S LESS OF AN INCENTIVE FOR AFFORDABLE BECAUSE THEY CAN ALREADY ACCESS IT THROUGH STATE DENSITY BONUS LAW. UM, BUT IF TO ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT WHAT ARE WE DOING, WHAT DOES THE OVERLAY DO FOR MARKET RATE AT THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST BASE LEVEL 15% REQUIREMENT. UM, AND IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE HEIGHT, IT'S ABOUT THE EXPANSION OF THE, UM, LOT COVERAGE. IT'S ABOUT THE INCREASE IN FAR, IT'S A, AND THEN TO ME THE BIG GAME CHANGER IS WHAT TO DO WITH THE FIRST FLOOR. UM, FIRST LEVEL. THAT'S THE THING WE HEAR TIME AND TIME AGAIN ON THE LIMITATIONS ON HOW OUR CURRENT ZONING, UM, IS RESTRICTIVE. AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO, YOU KNOW, MUCH FURTHER OUT OF DOWNTOWN TO SEE, UM, THE IMPACTS OF, UM, THE CURRENT REGULATION ON THE FIRST FLOOR, WHICH IS, UH, SO YOU DO HAVE TO HAVE A NON-RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT. AND SO YOU LOOK DOWN AT LAVIA, UM, YOU KNOW, EVEN THE, THE H EDEN HOUSING, UM, ON WASHINGTON, UM, AND THEN YOU CAN EVEN GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO RIVER YOU, YOU'RE SAYING THE COMMERCIAL STOREFRONT ON THE FIRST, YOU'RE WAIVING IT ALLOWING RESIDENTIAL ON THE FIRST FLOOR. CORRECT. JUST TO, JUST TO MAKE CLEAR FOR THE FOLKS WHO ARE STILL STICKING AROUND THAT VACANT COMMERCIAL SPACE THAT IS IN LAVIA, WHICH IS THE, THE, THE [05:00:01] APARTMENTS THAT ARE THERE, THAT VACANT COMMERCIAL STOREFRONT RIGHT NOW IS BEING SUBSIDIZED BY THE TENANTS WHO ARE LIVING THERE. SOMEONE HAS TO PAY FOR THAT VACANT SPACE AND IF THERE'S NO TENANTS IN THERE, IT'S GONNA BE THE PEOPLE IN THE RESIDENCES. AND SO IF THE, YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT THAT AND THE RENTS ARE REALLY HIGH AND WE ALL SORT OF GO, OH MY GOD, AND WE, WE FREAK OUT 'CAUSE THE RENTS ARE REALLY HIGH, BUT IF THERE'S A BUNCH OF COMMERCIAL SPACES THAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE TO SUBSIDIZE, WHICH I THINK IT'S GOOD THAT THERE'S A COMMERCIAL SPACE THERE BECAUSE I THINK IN THE FUTURE THERE'S GONNA BE A GOOD REASON FOR IT. BUT LET'S BE REAL RIGHT NOW, THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE THERE ARE SUBSIDIZING THAT PIECE OF THAT, THAT VACANT COMMERCIAL SPACE AND PAYING MORE IN RENT FOR IT. AND THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO CREATE MORE FLEXIBILITY IN HOW WE ACTIVATE THE GROUND FLOORS. OKAY, SO HERE'S THE PIN PART. YOUR QUESTION ABOUT NINE STORIES, IS IT, IS THERE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO WRITE INTO THE OVERLAY? DO WE, DO WE WANT TO SEPARATE IT OUT AND ONLY APPLY THE HEIGHT INCREASES TO COMMERCIAL PROJECTS? OR ARE WE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT NINE STORY BUILDINGS? UH, AND AND I'M GONNA ASK LAST TIME, I THINK I MIGHT HAVE RUSHED SOME THINGS SOMETIMES. SO I'M ACTUALLY, I I ASK YOU TO USE A WORD OR TWO TO, TO HELP ME OUT SO I UNDERSTAND WHERE FOLKS AREN'T, ARE ARE IN THIS FOR, FOR ME, I WOULD USE THE WORDS I YEAH, THAT WORKS FOR ME. AND, UM, LET'S START DOWN. AND SO WHAT, WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS NO CHANGE IN THE HEIGHT. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE AGREEING TO OR PROVIDING DIRECTION TO STAFF ABOUT REDUCING THE OVERLAY FROM SIX ON RESIDENTIAL ONLY TO FOUR TO REMAINING WHERE IT WAS? YEAH, THE, THE, THE HEIGHT, THE, THE HEIGHT LIMIT STUFF ONLY APPLIES TO COMMERCIAL PROJECTS. SO THERE IS NO WORKS FOR ME FOR RESIDENTIAL. I'M SAYING THERE WOULD BE REMAINS A FLOOR AREA AND, AND, UH, LOT, LOT, LOT CONSUMPTION. THE OVERLAY FOR RESIDENTIAL I THINK IS INCREASING THE RESIDENTIAL DENSITY. UM, THAT'S NOT TODAY. THAT'S OFF THE TABLE. I MEAN I THINK IT'S LIKE THAT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A MUST HAVE FOR ME. SO, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT IN TERMS OF VOTES, BUT, UM, WELL LET'S GO WITH THE FIRST THING, WHICH WAS THE SPLIT. SO HEIGHT APPLIES TO, UH, COMMERCIAL, NO CHANGE IN HEIGHT ON THE, UM, UH, RESIDENTIAL, BUT THE FLOOR AREA AND OTHER THINGS ARE ALL STILL PER THE OVERLAY PROPOSED IN FRONT OF US. YES. AND, AND I'M SEEING HEAD NODDING. I'M SORRY, I KNOW I'M ASKING THIS AT 11. WHAT, SO THAT FOLLOW, YOU FOLLOW WHAT PROPOSAL? THE DIRECTION THE STAFF IS? NO, UM, KAREN, WE'RE NOT FOLLOWING. ARE YOU FOLLOWING? NO. SO, UH, WHAT'S BEEN SUGGESTED IS SLOWER. IT'S HARD TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE TALKING FAST. ALRIGHT, SO THE OVERLAY INCLUDES A VARIETY OF THINGS. IT INCLUDES HEIGHT, IT INCLUDES FLOOR AREA, IT INCLUDES, WHAT'S THE OTHER ONE CALLED? UM, LOT, LOT, UH, THE LOT, LOT UTILIZATION, RIGHT? AND SO WE'RE MAKING A SEPARATION IN SAYING THE HEIGHT PART DOES NOT APPLY TO RESIDENTIAL. SO THE OVERLAY IS USEFUL TO RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE FLOOR AREA JUMPS UP, LOT USAGE JUMPS UP, BUT THEY DON'T GET THE BENEFIT OF ANY EXTRA HEIGHT. I WANT TO, I WANT TO LIKE, I DON'T WANT TO JUST THROW THIS OUT THERE AND HAVE PEOPLE GO YES, I, I'M INTERESTED FROM HEARING FROM THE PROFESSIONALS TOO, BUT I DON'T SEE HOW GET IT GOING TO SIX FLOORS WITH RESIDENTIAL AT 30 UNITS PER ACRE IS, IS ACTUALLY GONNA ACTUALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE RIGHT NOW IF WE WANT TO IN, YOU KNOW, DOUBLE THE RESIDENTIAL DENSITY, MAYBE THEN IT STARTS TO BECOME MORE FEASIBLE TO GO TO, TO ACTUALLY TO GO TO SIX FLOORS WITH MARKET RATE. UM, BUT WHAT I'M CONCERNED WITH IS THAT WE'RE, WE DON'T ACTUALLY LIKE THE, THE THE SUITE OF PROVISIONS THAT WE'RE INCLUDING IN HERE ARE NOT ACTUALLY GONNA RESULT IN IN HOUSING. UM, AND I WANT TO, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A COMMENT IN HERE ABOUT BEING OVERLY TRANSPARENT AND I WANT TO BE OVERLY TRANSPARENT THAT I ABSOLUTELY WANT TO SEE HOUSING BUILT IN DOWNTOWN. I THINK THAT WE NEED IT, UM, AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO INCREASE THE DENSITY SO I'M BEING OVERLY TRANSPARENT ABOUT IT. SO, UM, UH, WAS JUST CHECKING WITH STAFF AND UH, THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW THAT WE DID, UH, PRESUMES NO CHANGE TO THE DENSITY, WHICH IS CURRENT. THE CURRENT MAX IS 30 UNITS AN ACRE. UM, SO, UM, THE SPLIT, UM, THE, THE THE, WHICH IS AN OPTION THAT'S AN IDENTIFIED OPTION IN THE OVERLAY TO NOT PROVIDE THE HEIGHT BENEFIT TO RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, BUT TO [05:05:01] PRESERVE THE OTHER BENEFITS FOR FLOOR AREA RATIO. UM, AND, UM, WHAT'S THE OTHER ONE? LOT COVERAGE. UM, THAT'S, THAT'S AN OPTION, UM, UH, UH, OF THE, UM, OVERLAY AND IT WOULD PROVIDE BENEFITS TO RESIDENTIAL, BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO RECIRCULATE MOST LIKELY THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW IF WE WERE TO CHANGE THE DENT PROPOSED TO CHANGE THE DENSITY CURRENTLY, UM, FROM THE, FROM THE, FROM THE EXISTING MAXIMUM DENSITY THAT IS, THAT IS ASSUMED IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL ANALYSIS, WHICH IS 30 UNITS PER ACRE. SO THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL MAY WANT TO PURSUE LONG TERM. THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT IS, UH, ADDRESSED IN THE GENERAL PLAN. UM, BUT IF, IF CURRENT COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THE OVERLAY SO THAT THE, FOR ITS OWN SAKE AND ALSO SO THAT IT'S A VEHICLE TO APPROVE THE EKN PROJECT, I WANT TO MENTION IN, IN THE INTEREST OF OVERT TRANSPARENCY, UM, THAT IT MAY BE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE THAT THE TIMING THAT'S INVOLVED IN, IN RECIRCULATION AND AND REDOING THE ENVIRONMENTAL ANALYSIS 'CAUSE OF DENSITY CHANGE, UM, MAY, MAY NOT PRESERVE THE OPTION OF, OF APPROVING THE HOTEL PROJECT. SO, UM, SO I, OKAY, SO ONE OF THE PARTS OF THIS EXERCISE MAY BE, AND IT'S THE COUNCIL'S PREROGATIVE, OF COURSE. YEAH. ONE OF THE ASPECTS OF THIS EXERCISE MAY BE DISTINGUISHING BETWEEN THOSE OVERLAY FEATURES THAT HAVE MAJORITY COUNCIL SUPPORT, THAT ARE STILL COMPATIBLE WITH THE PROPOSED PROJECT, WHICH WE'RE NOT EVALUATING TONIGHT, BUT WHICH IS RELATED TO THIS OVERLAY EXERCISE. AND THEN LOOKING AT WAYS TO PURSUE OTHER, UM, ENHANCEMENTS SUCH AS PROCEDURAL ONES SUCH AS TWO, UM, REQUIREMENTS TO BE APPOINTED TO, UM, THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION SUCH AS RESUSCITATING SPAR SUCH AS REEXAMINING MAXIMUM DENSITY, WHATEVER, SEPARATELY. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH. AND, AND UM, LET ME ASK BACK DOWN HERE, DO YOU HEAR WHAT HE'S SAYING? YES. CAN I ALSO JUST ADD TO THIS DISCUSSION THE, THE SAME WAY WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE DENSITY BONUS FOR HEIGHT, THE DENSITY BONUS DOES PROVIDE FOR MORE DENSITY. UM, SO JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER, AND I'M LOOKING AT THE DENSITY BONUS CHART AND FOR INSTANCE, UH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE 10% LOW INCOME UNITS, YOU GET A 20% DENSITY BUMP, NO WAIT 10% LOW INCOME UNITS, YOU GET A 20% DENSITY BUMP FROM THAT 30. SO IT'S, I MEAN I KNOW IT'S NOT, BUT IF YOU DID, YOU KNOW, 15% OF YOUR UNITS ALL AT THE VERY LOW, WHICH VERY LOW IS HALF OF FOR APARTMENTS, THAT'S HALF. SO IF YOU DECIDED TO DO ALL OF THEM VERY LOW, YOUR OF THE 15%, YOU GET A 50% DENSITY BONUS TO INCREASE. UH, OH, ANDREW'S LOOKING AT ME LIKE I'M CRAZY. IT IS MIDNIGHT. SO SOMEBODY CHECK MY MATH OF WHAT I'M SAYING. BUT JUST THAT, THAT IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT'S AFFORDED. WE IN PETALUMA, WE TYPICALLY HAVE NOT HAD, UM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPERS USE THE DENSITY BONUS FOR ACTUAL INCREASES IN DENSITY. UM, EVEN WHEN THEY'VE APPLIED FOR DENSITY BONUS, THEY'VE USED THEM FOR PARKING REDUCTION OR HEIGHT INCREASE OR THAT KIND OF THINGS, BUT NOT ACTUALLY FOR AN INCREASE IN THE DENSITY. ALL RIGHT, WELL THEN I'LL CONSIDER IT, CONSIDER ME BUMMED, BUT NOT OFF THE, NOT OFF THE LIST. SO BACK TO THE FIRST POINT, WHAT INCLUSIONARY HOUSING REQUIREMENTS SHOULD GO INTO 75 FOOT TALL, UH, CUP PROCESS? 15 PLUS ONE 20. WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO FOR THAT? I MEAN, WE DON'T, POINT 12 SHOULD BE 20% ABOVE OUR REQUIREMENTS. PARDON ME, 20% ABOVE OUR [05:10:01] REQUIREMENTS. SO FROM 15% TO 18%? YEAH, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE, YEAH, IT WOULD BE 18% OR 40% OF IT. YOU KNOW, ANYBODY HAVE A COUNTER PROPOSAL? 20%, 40%? I DON'T KNOW. PICK ONE. WE'RE ALL JUST GONNA VOTE FOR THE ONE YOU SAY. SO , IT'S KINDA FUNNY. I MEAN, WHAT'S A REASONABLE NUMBER HERE? WE WANT MORE. YOU IDENTIFIED MORE WAS, I MEAN YOU IDENTIFIED THAT. YEAH, 20% JUST SAY 20% SOUNDS GOOD. SO THAT'S KIND OF A DIRECTION THE STAFF TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING MORE. IT'S GONNA COME BACK AT A ANOTHER EVENT ANYWAYS. THIS IS LIKE, JUST SO YOU HAVE A FEEL WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR DOUBLE, WE'RE ASKING FOR A LITTLE MORE. WE'LL COME BACK WITH RECOMMENDATIONS. COME, YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. UM, SO JUST TO CLARIFY, UM, TO PUT THE PIN IN IT IS TO COME BACK WITH A MORE SPECIFIC NUMBER THAT MAY AVOID SOME OF THE LIKE YES, WE'RE ONLY GETTING ONE UNIT OR SOMETHING. YES. OKAY. UM, AND UM, ALSO ON HERE, THE WHEN WE WERE YES. UM, JUST LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DENSITY OF THE 30, YOU SAID 30 UNITS PER ACRE FOR RESIDENTIAL MAX. UM, LOOKING AT 43,560 SQUARE FEET PER ACRE. I'M JUST TRYING TO CALCULATE HOW, HOW MANY HOUSES THAT WOULD BE IF THEY WERE ALL JUST STACKED UP AND IT JUST BY BACK OF THE ENVELOPE TYPE THINKING, UM, THAT WON'T EVEN GET YOU TO FOUR STORIES ON A FULL ACRE. UM, IF YOU'RE STACKING IN, IN A, IN A SQUARE BUILDING, SO AT 30 UNITS PER ACRE, UM, THEY'LL NEVER GET SIX STORIES ON AN ACRE. UH, SO WE'RE, WE'RE, SO IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN IF, IF YOU'RE LIMITED PER ON A PER ACRE, 30 30 PER ACRE IS GONNA BE, AND I THINK WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT BECAUSE THEY PUT IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THEY GET TO DOUBLE IT AT SOME POINT STILL EVEN AT 60. WELL, NO, THEY WON'T GET UP TO SIX OR SEVEN STORIES UNLESS THEY'RE BUILDING LIKE 5,000 SQUARE FOOT CONDOS, RIGHT? YEAH. UH, OR EVEN IF IT, IT'S AT A THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT, UH, ON AVERAGE, UM, PLACES YOU PUT THAT DOWN AND IT'S LIKE, UH, I UNDER YOU GONNA STOP AT FOUR STORIES. I UNDERSTAND YOUR MATH. YEAH. WHAT, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO COME AWAY WITH THAT FROM THAT MATH WITH AS A, OKAY. I THINK AT, AT 30 PER ACRE, UM, WE MAY EVEN HAVE TO INCREASE THAT. AND STILL, IF YOU WANT ANYTHING OVER FOUR STORIES, UM, IF SOMEONE'S GONNA DO IT THE WAY THEY'RE DOING IT IN OTHER PLACES LIKE SANTA ROSA WHERE IT'S 400 SQUARE FEET PER UNIT, AND AS WE IDENTIFIED IN THIS PROCESS, WE ARE CONSTRAINED NOW TO NOT CHANGING THE DENSITY. SO THE CHOICE IS EITHER WE LEAVE IT AS IS WITH THE DENSITY BONUSES OR WE TAKE IT OFF THE TABLE TO SOLVE DENSITY AT A DIFFERENT TIME. OKAY. YOU MAY WANNA SOLVE AT A DIFFERENT TIME. I THINK THE 30 PER ACRE IS GOING TO PUT THE LIMITATION ON IT. IF, IF, IF YOU JUST CHECK THAT OUT. I THINK IF YOU DO YOUR OWN MATH ON THAT, WE, WE CONCUR WITH YOU. YEAH. THE QUESTION IS, IS ARE WE, DO WE STILL HAVE A VALID OVERLAY? WE STILL, WE STILL, WE'RE STILL IN THIS GAME . YEAH, WE, WE MAY HAVE TO INCREASE 30 PER ACRE TO OUTSIDE OF THE OVERLAY PROCESS, RIGHT? I, I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE. ONE WAY OF UNDERSTANDING THAT IS THAT, UM, THE VICE MAYOR IS CORROBORATING COUNCIL MEMBER BARN'S POINT THAT 30, THAT THE CURRENT DENSITY FOR RESIDENTIAL DENSITY DOWNTOWN IS PROBABLY INADEQUATE TO, TO REALLY INCREASE THE UNITS DOWNTOWN. HOWEVER, WE STILL HAVE THE ISSUE OF WHETHER, UM, UH, OF RECIRCULATION AND WHAT THAT DOES TO THE COUN, IF THE COUNCIL WISHES TO HAVE A WAY TO USE THE OVERLAY TO APPROVE THE A KN PROJECT. SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING, WE STILL HAVE THAT TIMING WE CAN ISSUE THAT MAY IDENTIFY THIS STILL A TIMING EXISTS, ISSUE THE VALUE OF, UH, ADDRESSING THE COMMERCIAL SIDE IS OF IMPORTANCE NOW. AND THOUGH WE OBSERVE THIS, WE DON'T MODIFY THIS, WE DON'T DROP IT. RIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. UM, MAYOR, CAN I JUST ADD THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT SIGNIFICANT INCREASES IN DENSITY IN SOME OF THESE CORE AREAS THROUGH THE GENERAL PLAN PROCESS. THANK YOU. RIGHT, RIGHT. UM, WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING MORE, UM, SPAR OR ARCH ARCHITECTURAL EFFORT, UM, IN THE REVIEW PROCESS. AND, UM, OUR, OUR COMMITTEE DIRECT DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR IDENTIFIED THAT WE COULD HAVE A SPAR CONSULTANT OR WE COULD, UM, RECRUIT RATHER. UM, AND, UM, AND, AND THEN THERE WAS AN OPTION OF A DESIGN REVIEW BOARD. BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT OFF, OFF THE TABLE IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PROVIDING DIRECTION WITHIN THE OVERLAY. UH, AND THEN FROM THE PUBLIC, I THINK WE HAD HEARD AN AD HOC, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, EXPERTISE [05:15:01] ON BOARD. WE CAN'T, UM, THAT CAN'T WORK BECAUSE OF THE BROWN ACT. SO WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T MAKE A MIXED BODY AND HAVE IT BE AN, AN AD HOC, ALL OF OUR COMMITTEES ARE DOING AD HOCS WELL, BUT THEY'RE, BUT THEY'RE EXCLUSIVELY MADE UP OF MINORITY OF SOLELY LEGISLATIVE BODY MEMBERS. UH, I DON'T THINK, I THINK OUR PARKS OR, UH, UM, P PET PET TRAIL, UH, PET, UH, PET BICYCLE ADVISORY COMMITTEE HAS TRAILING CAN, THEY CAN MEET WITH OTHER PEOPLE, BUT IF THEY'RE VALID, UM, IF THEY'RE VALID, UM, CAN WE COME BACK AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ABOUT WHAT DESIGN YOU WOULD LOOK LIKE? SURE. YEAH. YEAH, SURE. SO I THINK THE, THE, THE DIRECTION THE STAFF WOULD BE LIKE, WE'D LIKE SOME HELP IN THAT AREA THERE, THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS TO GET THAT EXPERTISE. THANK YOU. JUST NOT THAT WAY. MR. MAYOR, CAN I SUGGEST? YES. UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA MAKE PARTICULARLY GOOD DECISION MAKING AT THIS HOUR. AND, UM, AND IF WE CAN JUST COME UP WITH A MENU OF OUTSTANDING ISSUES RATHER THAN TRYING TO RESOLVE EACH OF THEM AND STAFF CAN COME BACK WITH OPTIONS ON THOSE THINGS. YES. THAT SOUNDS LIKE A, A REAL GOOD IDEA. UH, DID, DID YOU, UH, HAVE ANY OUTSTANDING ISSUES YOU WANTED TO? UH, OKAY. UM, WELL, UH, HIT IT ON THAT ONE. UM, UH, UH, I'LL LOOK. ANYBODY ELSE, 'CAUSE MOST OF THE OTHER THINGS WERE EDITORIAL AND OUTSIDE OF THE OVERLAY, AND IF THEY'RE EDITORIAL AND OUTSIDE OF THE OVERLAY, WE'RE NOT MODIFYING THE OVERLAY MUCH. I THINK, I THINK WE'RE SUGGESTING THAT WE'RE MODIFYING IT IN THAT, UH, HEIGHT RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL THING. BUT NO OTHER AREA. ARE WE SENDING ANY INFORMATION BACK? I MEAN, UH, UM, I THINK CLARIFY SOME OF THE FUZZY, CONDITIONAL STUFF. YES. DID YOU, YOU GUYS WANT TO TALK? UH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE, WHAT I'VE HEARD SO FAR THROUGH THE STRAW PULLING IN TERMS OF DIRECTION TO CONSIDER WOULD BE TO REMOVE THE RESIDENTIAL FROM BEING, UH, UH, THE HEIGHT INCREASES BEING APPLICABLE TO, TO, UH, LOOK AT INCREASING THE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU GO ABOVE AND WAS THAT ABOVE 70? UH, BUT THE 60 TO 75 OR ABOVE 45, THAT WOULDN'T, THAT WOULDN'T APPLY THOUGH, RIGHT? OH, RIGHT. YEP. IF WE'RE, UM, 'CAUSE RESIDENTIAL WOULDN'T YEAH. BE ALLOWED TO GO ABOVE, SO THOSE TWO CANCELED EACH OTHER OUT OR ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, OR RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS CAN ONLY GO TO FIVE STORIES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. MAYBE. I'M, I'M, I'M OPEN TO IT. OPEN, OPEN TO IT. I DO. OKAY. UM, YOU KNOW, MOSTLY I'M, UH, KIND OF HAVING A LITTLE FUN WITH NINE STORY BUILDINGS BECAUSE IT'S BEEN USED AGAINST ME FOR THE LAST FOUR MONTHS. UM, AND I WANT TO ALSO ASSUAGE THE COMMUNITY'S CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHETHER, WHETHER REAL OR NOT, LIKE THERE'S PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE CONCERNED ABOUT NINE STORY BUILDINGS COMING IN, AND I WOULD SAY BRING FORWARD SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA PROTECT US FROM NINE STORY BUILDINGS, UM, SHADOW, YOU KNOW, GOING ACROSS OUR ENTIRE DOWNTOWN. SO THEN WHAT, SO, UH, NO INCREASE IN HEIGHT FOR RESIDENTIAL AND A DESIGN REVIEW SOLUTION. MM-HMM. ARE REALLY THE TWO THINGS I'LL SAY IF, IF, IF, IF NO HEIGHT INCREASE FOR RESIDENTIAL IS GOING TO SQUASH RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS FROM COMING FORWARD, I WANT TO KNOW THAT. RIGHT. RIGHT. YEAH. SO, OKAY. 'CAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BE, YOU KNOW, STANDING IN THE WAY OF GOOD HOUSING PROJECTS. MAKE SURE WE KEEP IT. YEAH. YEAH. I DID NOT HEAR A STRAW POLL ABOUT EXCEPTIONAL DESIGN. UM, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. WE HAD A CONVERSATION THAT SAID, UH, EVERYTHING IN THAT CATEGORY SHOULD BE, UM, REQUIRED. IT, IT, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? MAYOR? THEY WERE THE TWO FROM TWO FROM THREE AND ONE FROM FOUR. MAYOR. I, I THINK THAT AS I, I APPRECIATE THE, THE COM THE IDEA ON THIS AND, AND THE DESIRE TO BRING THOSE TO BEAR ON PROJECTS. AND I THINK WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND IS THE STAFF LOOK AT CONVERTING THE EXCEPTIONAL ARCHITECTURE, UM, F SUB 0.3 TO A FINDING THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE MADE THROUGH DISCRETIONARY REVIEW SO THAT YOU WOULD LOOK FOR THESE COMPONENTS IN A PROJECT IN ORDER TO FIND THAT IT COMPLIES WITH REGULATIONS. UM, IS THAT, UM, I'M A LITTLE LOST NOW. IS THAT MORE OR LESS THE SAME? YOU STILL RIGHT NOW IT WOULD MAKE, [05:20:01] RIGHT, IT WOULD MAKE DESIGN EXCELLENCE NOT AN OPTION. IT WOULD BE, RIGHT? IT WOULD AND IT WOULD MAKE IT SUBJECT TO A FINDING BY THE REVIEW AUTHORITY. OKAY. COUNSEL, CAN I WAIT ON THAT PLEASE? REALLY BRIEFLY. SO IT'S ALMOST MIDNIGHT, SO IF I'M RAMBLING, I APOLOGIZE. I'M STILL NOT ON CALIFORNIA TIME. UM, BUT THIS CONVERSATION KIND OF BRINGS TO MIND, UM, THE EXPERIENCE WE HAD WITH THE PACIFICA PROJECT, UM, WHERE THEY CAME FORWARD WITH EVERY THING THAT WE WANTED. THEY HAD POCKET PARKS, THEY HAD TRANSVERSE STREETS, THEY HAD ALL THE GROUND FLOOR RETAIL, THEY HAD SOLAR, THEY HAD EVERYTHING WE EVER WANTED. AND, AND IT WAS LOVELY. AND IT CAME IN $20 MILLION OVER BUDGET AND IT'S STILL SITTING THERE AS A, AS GROWING WEEDS. SO I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE BROADER CONVERSATION THE COMMUNITY SHOULD HAVE IS DOES EVERYTHING NEED TO BE THE MOST PERFECT THING THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE, OR IS THE NEED FOR HOUSING SUCH THAT MAYBE WE COMPROMISE BACK A LITTLE BIT? I'M, I'M NOT PREPARED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AT THIS HOUR, BUT I THINK IT'S A CONVERSATION WE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT HAVING. SO, UH, WE'LL REFER THAT ONE TO STAFF FOR, UM, BRINGING FORWARD AT A LATER TIME. AND I THINK THAT THE NO HEIGHTENED RESIDENTIAL INFL IN IMPACTS THIS TOO. IT WON'T BE HOUSING THAT WE'RE LOSING THROUGH THE ARCHITECTURE VICE MAYOR. AND MR. MAYOR, IF I COULD JUST NOTE ONE OTHER QUICK THING. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT WASN'T NECESSARILY REGISTERING WITH THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WERE HERE TONIGHT IS THAT, UM, THE CLEARLY DISCRETIONARY STANDARDS LIKE EXCELLENCE OF DESIGN ARE THAT WAY ON PURPOSE BECAUSE THE PURPOSE OF THOSE BEING DISCRETIONARY STANDARDS IS SO THAT FUTURE DECISION MAKERS CAN'T BE FORCED TO APPROVE HEIGHT INCREASES THAT THEY DON'T THINK MERIT THEIR DISCRETIONARY APPROVAL. SO IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY A PRETTY POWERFUL SAFEGUARD IF AND IF FUTURE DECISION MAKERS ARE ABLE TO FIND THAT EXCELLENCE OF DESIGN SUFFICIENT TO EXERCISE THEIR DISCRETION, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY SOMEWHAT ELASTIC, THEY CAN DO IT. SO ANYWAY, JUST TO PUT THAT OUT THERE. OKAY. UM, BOLD IDEA TO PRESENT, UH, ONE OF A COUPLE FOLKS, UH, I THINK, UM, MR. HEALEY PRESENTED AND A COUPLE OTHER FOLKS TALKED ABOUT, UM, THAT THE PROCESS, I'M THINKING ABOUT EFFICIENCY OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE ON THE OVERLAY AND THE GENERAL PLAN. AND, UH, JUST FOR THE PROCESS FROM STAFF, I'D LIKE TO HEAR A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UH, THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING AND IF IT IS POSSIBLE, IF WE COULD WORK ON THE, LET'S SAY A, UH, SECTION A FOR THE HOTEL AND, AND THAT SECTION, GET THAT DONE IMMEDIATELY, AND THEN WORK ON AN OVERLAY FOR THE DOWNTOWN AND FOR THE SMART STATIONS FOR BOTH OF THEM AND FOR OTHER AREAS IN TOWN THAT WE'RE THINKING OF SIX STORIES AND ACTUALLY DEVELOP THIS OVERLAY OF ALL THESE POLICIES FOR THE ENTIRE CITY FOR EVERYWHERE. WE'RE TALKING FOUR STORIES TO SIX STORIES. AND SO THAT THIS OVERLAY BECOMES A BIGGER THING FOR THE ENTIRE TOWN. PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN, LAND USE PROCESS AND WORK ON RIGHT NOW JUST THE HOTEL SECTION A OR SECTION A PLUS B IGNORING C. 'CAUSE UH, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA GET ANYTHING GOING HERE IN THE NEXT YEAR. UM, BUT, BUT UNTIL WE GET TO THE, THE GENERAL PLAN. SO THAT WAS A BOLD IDEA THAT WAS PRESENTED EARLIER AND I THOUGHT I'D JUST GET FROM STAFF IF THAT'S WOULD BE A MORE EFFICIENT PROCESS AT THIS POINT TO GET US TO A SOONER ENDPOINT WITH A GENERAL PLAN AND MAKE THAT A BETTER PROCESS. SO HOW WOULD STAFF FEEL ABOUT THE PROCESS AND EFFICIENCIES WORK WITH THE OVERLAY NOW OR, OR IT FOLDED IN? WELL, I, I I I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'S AN AN EITHER OR LIKE THAT. SO OBVIOUSLY THE, THE OVERLAY IS AT THE DISCRETION OF THE COUNCIL. I WOULD ALSO SAY AS WE'RE WORKING ON THE GENERAL PLAN, WE ARE LOOKING AT LAND USE CHANGES. WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY LOOKING AT AN OVERLAY AS PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN, UM, PROCESS, BUT MORE THINKING ABOUT THE FEEDBACK ON THE OVERLAY FEEDING INTO, AS A INPUT INTO LAND USE DECISIONS THAT WE MAY MAKE WITH THE GENERAL PLAN. AND WE WILL BE COMING BACK TO THE COUNCIL IN, I BELIEVE IT IS THE FIRST MEETING IN FEBRUARY TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT LAND USE, THE, THE LAND USE ON THE MAP, THE DESIGNATIONS AND THOSE THINGS. UM, THAT WILL BE IN PART INFORMED BY THE OVERLAY, BUT IN PART [05:25:01] INFORMED BY ALL THE OTHER THINGS WE'RE DOING AS WELL. AND THE INPUTS WE'RE GETTING. RIGHT. THE REASON I'M BRINGING THAT UP IS BECAUSE, UH, SO MANY FOLKS WERE, UM, ANTI SIX STORIES FOR THE SAME REASON. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE OVERLAY THAT ABOUT ANYWHERE WE'RE PUTTING SIX STORIES AND WE WANT TO APPLY THE SAME BASIC RULES AND CONCEPTS WHEREVER WE WANNA PUT THE SIX STORIES, IF, IF IT'S ACCEPTABLE IN ANY LOCATION. SO DEVELOPING SOMETHING FOR SIX STORIES NOW, JUST FOR THE OVERLAY, REALLY WE WANNA DO IT AS PART OF THE WHOLE PROCESS AND WE CAN, AND WE CAN DISCUSS THAT AS PART OF THE WHOLE PROCESS, EVERYTHING. SO WOULD IT BE EFFICIENT TO BACK OFF AND JUST DO A NOW AND DO THAT LATER OR, OR SHOULD WE JUST GET THROUGH THE OVERLAY? RIGHT NOW I'M JUST PROVIDING THAT AS A BOLD STEP AS RECOMMENDED. SO I THINK IF THERE'S A, UH, BUT THAT'S NOT MAJORITY STRAW POLL OR GENERAL DIRECTION FROM A MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL TONIGHT TO, TO HEAD IN THAT DIRECTION. I MEAN THAT SETTING, I, I WE'RE WAITING FOR COUNCIL'S DIRECTIONS. THAT'S A BOUNDARY DECISION. YEAH. BUT FUNDAMENTALLY, THIS IS A BOUNDARY QUESTION. CORRECT. SHOULD WE DO A, B OR, OR C OR, ALL RIGHT. SO THE QUESTION IS, IS SHOULD WE DO ALL, SHOULD WE DO A AND B? SHOULD WE DO A, A AND C? SHOULD WE DO JUST A, OKAY, SO I I SUPPORT A, B, AND C. OKAY. ANYTHING DOWN A, B AND CI DON'T SUPPORT, I DON'T SUPPORT ANY OF THIS. OKAY. OKAY. THE OVERLAY ISN'T NEEDED IF WE CAN SPOT ZONE, AND WE, AND I DON'T AGREE WITH ANY HEIGHT OVER FOUR STORIES, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY. SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS SAY THAT WE, THEY UNDER THE STAFF UNDERSTANDS THE, THE VARIANCE OF OPINIONS BEING OFFERED HERE, AND WE SHOULD HAVE THEM RETURN WITH THE FIRST ROUND OF THE ORDINANCE TO EITHER VOTE UP OR VOTE DOWN. AND IN THAT FIRST ROUND, I'M SURE THEY'LL BE ABLE TO SAY, WELL, I MEAN, WE CAN SAY WE WANT ONLY A AT THAT TIME, SO WE CAN DRIVE IT TO THE, TO ITS BLOODY CONCLUSION HERE. WE CAN KEEP IT MOVING AND KEEP ALL OUR OPTIONS OPEN TO US FROM NOT PASSING TO ONE, PASSING TO, BUT IT KEEPS ALL, EVERYTHING ON THE TABLE. I'M IN FAVOR OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION. UM, WHICH BRINGS ME TO ANOTHER POINT. I DON'T THINK WE'VE CHANGED MUCH FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF REFINEMENT. WE HAVEN'T CHANGED THE, THE SCOPE OF ANYTHING HERE. I MEAN THE BOUNDARIES, I'M IN FAVOR OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION BOUNDARIES, RIGHT? OR MODIFIED SEA, BUT ALL, ALL, ALL OF THE THINGS, WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE TODAY, I THINK WE'RE IN CONCURRENCE PRETTY MUCH WITH WHERE THE PLANNING COMMISSION WENT EXCEPT THAT HEIGHT THING, WHICH WE'VE REDUCED AND, AND SO MADE LESS OF IMPACTFUL AND, UM, THE, THE INCLUSION DIDN'T HAPPEN. SO WHAT'S THE OTHER, THE SECOND POINT? THERE'S A SECOND POINT THERE. OH. AND THE EXCEPTIONAL ARCHITECTURE PART, WHICH, UH, I THINK EVERYBODY'S FOR AND, AND, AND SO IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT'S A BETTERMENT TO WHAT PLANNING THOUGHT THEY COULD, UM, A ASK. SO WE'RE IN SUBSTANTIAL CONFORMANCE WITH THEM, AND I KNOW IN THEIR REPORT THEY SUGGESTED THAT THEY WANTED TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT LAST TIME. BUT IF WE'RE REALLY IN THE SAME PLACE AS THEM, DOES, IS EVERYBODY OKAY IF WE DO NOT RETURN IT TO PLANNING, BUT TRY AND GET IT TO THE FIRST POSSIBLE COUNCIL MEETING IN THE NEXT YEAR? UM, I, AND, UM, CAN, CAN, THAT'S ALMOST LIKE A, I WOULD LIKE A LITTLE MORE VER VERBAL RESPONSE ON THAT THOUGHT. I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT THE PLANNING COMMISSION EXPRESSED A RATIONALE AS TO WHY THEY WANTED IT BACK. AND I'M NOT RECOLLECTING WHAT THAT IS AT THE MOMENT IN THE PLANNING. SO THE COUNCIL UNDER OUR UNDER SECTION 25.080 HAS COMPLETE DISCRETION IN THAT. SO YOU, WE, WE UNDERSTAND. SO WHAT WE WOULD BE DOING IS DENYING A REQUEST, A A COURTESY OF RETURN TO PLANNING. BUT DID THEY HAVE A RATIONALE AT THAT MEETING? WELL, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT THE STATE LAW RATIONALE IS FOR GENERAL LAW CITIES. UM, IF THERE'S A CHANGE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION DIDN'T CONSIDER, IT HAS TO GO BACK. RIGHT? UM, SO, BUT SINCE WE'RE IN BETTERMENT TO THAT NO, WE'RE DOING THAT. WELL, WELL, IF, IF IT'S UP OR IF IT'S DOWN OR EITHER WAY. WELL, SO I'LL, I'LL, I'LL JUST, I'LL JUST READ YOU THE SECTION. UM, GIMME JUST A SEC. UM, PROVIDED THAT ANY MODIFICATION [05:30:01] OF THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE OR AMENDMENT BY THE LEGISLATIVE BODY NOT PREVIOUSLY CONSIDERED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION? SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, AS I MENTIONED, WE'VE TRIED TO USE AS A RATIONALE TO KEEP THIS EFFORT MOVING FORWARD, IS TO MAKE SURE, UM, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE FULL UNIVERSE OF OPTIONS AND, AND ABLE TO MAKE COUNCIL CAN EXER EXERCISE ITS, ITS DISCRETION, SUB ATTRACTIVELY WITHOUT OPENING NEW ISSUES THAT REQUIRE THINGS LIKE NEW, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL ANALYSIS OR CREATE ARGUMENTS THAT IT SHOULD GO BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. SO IF TO THE EXTENT YOU'RE WORKING WITHIN THE UNIVERSE OF WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION PUT FORWARD AND CONSIDERED, THERE'S NOTHING NEW TO GO BACK TO THEM. BUT OUR, OUR DECISION TO, TO NOT ALLOW RESIDENTIAL TO GO UP TO 75 FEET, IS THAT, IS THAT A CHANGE THAT THEY NEED TO LOOK AT? 'CAUSE THEY DIDN'T LOOK AT THAT. THAT WAS AN OPTION. THAT WAS AN OPTION THAT THEY HAD. SURE. JUST LIKE THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY, THEY PROPOSED REDUCING THE, THE AREAS THAT WAS AN OPTION TOO. SO IT, AND I DON'T MEAN TO SAY, I MEAN, IN OUR CODE AS A CHARTER CITY, YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU WANT. SO I'M NOT TRYING TO CONSTRAIN THAT FACT THAT IS A TRUE FACT. BUT THE, THE SUBSTANTIVE REASON FOR SENDING IT BACK TO LOWER BODY WOULD BE THAT THERE'S, THERE'S SOME KIND OF THING THAT WAS NOT IN THE UNIVERSE OF WHAT THEY, THEY EVALUATED IN MAKING THEIR RECOMMENDATION FOR YOU. I WOULD SAY THANK, I THINK THAT'S THE LAST ISSUE OF THE NIGHT. SO DOES ANYBODY WANNA HAVE A LAST WORD ON THAT? WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. CAN WE GET CLARIFICATION ON THE BOUNDARIES? I DIDN'T SEE WHERE THAT LANDED. UH, COUNCILMAN TRIPS. OKAY. SINCE WE, UM, NEED TO CREATE SORT OF LIKE, UH, THE RULES AROUND THE OVERLAY, UH, ANYWAY, WHETHER IT BE FOR THIS OVERLAY THAT WE HAVE A, B, C, OR FOR ANY OTHER TIME THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE SIX STORY BUILDINGS ANYWHERE ELSE IN TOWN, UM, WE MIGHT AS WELL GET IT DONE. WE MIGHT AS WELL GET IT DONE NOW. AND WE MIGHT AS WELL DO IT FOR A, B AND C BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA BE DOING IT AGAIN. SIMILARLY, UH, FOR THE ENTIRE GENERAL PLAN, FOR ALL THE LAND USES, FOR ALL THE FOUR TO SIX STORY BUILDINGS THAT ARE GONNA BE COMING AT US. SO WE MIGHT AS WELL, UH, WE'RE GONNA DO IT NOW OR WE DO IT LATER, SO WE MIGHT AS WELL WORK ON THE OVERLAY NOW ON ALL THREE A, B, C. SO NO CHANGE FROM THE PLANNING RECOMMENDATION, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING? YEAH. SO A, B, AND C WITH THE REDUCTIONS THAT PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED? YES. YES. AND IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO MAKE A LATE CHANGE WHEN IT COMES BACK, YOU STILL CAN. THEY CAN, YES. OKAY. ARE WE CLEAR ON ANY, ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE STAFF? THAT WAS A LOT. SO YEAH, I THINK THERE'S A CONSENSUS ON THAT, ALTHOUGH I'M NOT PART OF THAT. YES. DID, I'M SORRY. DID WE GET A CONSENSUS ON, ARE WE GOING BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR COMING BACK TO THE COUNCIL? WE DON'T NEED TO. OKAY. WE DON'T CHOOSE TO. OKAY. ARE WE GOOD? I THINK THAT CONCLUDES THE, THE BUSINESS FOR THE EVENING. UH, ANY LAST, ANY DO WE GOING ONCE? NO. YEAH. OKAY. UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT'S, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY VERY BIG LEGISLATION, SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU EVERYBODY VERY MUCH. MEETING IS ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.