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[CALL TO ORDER]
UH, FOR OUR DECEMBER 5TH.AND THE FIRST ITEM IS CALLED ORDER.
UH, NEXT WE'LL DO A QUICK ROLL CALL.
I, UH, CLAUDIA, I BELIEVE THAT, UH, JEFF IS ON THE ZOOM.
UM, DID HE RESPOND OR IS HE, CAN HE I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT.
YEAH, WE'RE NOT SEEING HIM IN THE SYSTEM.
WE'D SEND A COUPLE LINKS AND IT, IT, I DON'T KNOW WHY HE'S NOT SHOWING UP.
NO, HE'S, BUT HE'S, HE'S TEXTING SAYING HE'S ON.
IT'S, LOOK, IT'S UH, IT'S FOR THE BREAST CANCER, THE PINK OCTOBER MONTH.
ALRIGHT, WELL, MR. COMMISSIONER DOMI IS SUPPOSED TO BE ON ZOOM.
WE'RE GONNA TRY AND WORK THROUGH THAT.
UH, LOOKING THROUGH THE AGENDA, THERE WAS ONE ITEM, ITEM NUMBER TWO, JUMP ARROW AIRPORT LAND USE PROPOSAL.
UM, I AM GOING TO MOVE THAT TO LATER IN THE MEETING, MOVE THE AGENDA DOWN, UH, AS, UH, CARLA'S NOT HERE YET.
SO ONCE HE ARRIVES, THEN WE WILL, UH, FIT IT IN.
SO WITH THAT, JUST, JUST FOR THE RECORD, HE'S NOT HERE 'CAUSE HE IS PICKING UP OUR CHILDREN
SO IT WAS ONE OF US WAS GONNA BE LATE.
UH, SO I, SORRY, I JUST GOT A MESSAGE FROM JEFF AND HE SAID HE'S WAITING FOR HOST, SO I GUESS HE NEEDS TO BE ADMITTED.
UM, Y YEAH, IF HE COULD LET HIM KNOW THAT IT'S POSSIBLE HE'S IN THE WRONG MEETING INVITE, UM, I DUNNO WHY, BUT IF HE COULD JUST LOOK AT HIS EMAIL, THE MOST RECENT EMAIL THAT WAS SENT TO HIM AND CLICK ON THAT.
I AM SURE THIS IS GONNA BE THE COMPELLING PART OF THE VIDEO FOR TONIGHT.
UM, WITH THAT, WE WILL, I HOPE, UH, MS. COMMISSIONER DOMI IS ABLE TO ATTEND THE MEETING.
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MEETING.THE, THE MINUTES FROM THE MEETING FROM 11 SEVEN.
DOES ANYONE, ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS OR ANYONE HAVE ANY? I DO.
MS. ER, UM, I THINK I NOTICED THAT, UH, THE PRESENT AND ABSENT WAS NOT CORRECT AT THE BEGINNING OF THOSE MINUTES.
IT SAYS THAT YOU WERE ALL ABSENT.
YEAH, IT SAYS WE WERE, NOBODY WAS THERE.
AND SO THE, UH, PEOPLE WHO WERE ABSENT WERE, UH, MARK GAN AND PERRY.
WE'LL MAKE A NOTE OF THAT AND, UH, YOU'RE WELCOME.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR CHANGES TO THE MINUTES? OKAY.
WITH, WITH THOSE CHANGES, WE WILL.
ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING? UM, I'M SORRY, I HAVE A QUESTION AND I SHOULD HAVE.
YES, I JUST, I, I HAD MISSED WHETHER OR NOT THE AD HOC HAD BEEN APPROVED.
UM, I THINK THE, THE, THE IT, THE COMPOSITION OF THE AD HOC MAY HAVE BEEN INCORRECT.
UM, I THINK IT WAS, UH, TOM AND MYSELF AND JEFF.
SO COMMISSIONERS MCGAUGH AND HIN DIETRICH WERE THE AD HOC.
AT LEAST THAT'S THE THREE OF US THAT ENDED UP GETTING, WORKING ON THE GOOGLE DOC TOGETHER.
SO IS THAT OKAY? SO I, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE ADJUSTED 'CAUSE THAT'S WHO ACTUALLY DID THE WORK.
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ANY OTHER CHANGES? ALL RIGHT.WITH THAT, WE WILL CONSIDER THE MINUTES APPROVED.
I, UH, FAILED TO ASK, UH, MR. COHEN IF THERE IS ANY, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME.
WE DO NOT HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS.
UH, WITH THAT WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE PUBLIC HEARING MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION.
AND IT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE JUMP ARROW HAS FOUND THE CHILDREN YET.
[COMMITTEE COMMENT]
WE WILL MOVE TO COMMITTEE COMMENT.UM, THE CHAIR AND NEW AND VICE CHAIR, IS THAT COMING UP OR DID WE MISS THAT? YES.
DAN, UH, MAYBE WE JUST DELAY THAT ONE SECOND.
WHEN WE GET JEFF ON, HE IS IN AN ATTENDEE.
UM, SO IF YOU JUST GIVE US A SECOND
OUR, OUR TECHNICAL ISSUES, UH, TONIGHT.
UM, SO HE'S GONNA BE EXCITED WHEN HE HEARS HE'S UPGRADED, BUT WHAT HE'S GETTING UPGRADED TO IS NOT A LAY FLAT SEAT THOUGH.
MAYBE IF WE COULD, UM, MOVE TO, UM, COMMISSIONER COMMENTS THAT DON'T INCLUDE, UM, JEFF JUST THE OTHER, MAYBE THE OTHER, UH, AD HOCS.
AND THEN IN THE MEANTIME WE'LL TRY TO GET HIM ON AND DO THAT.
IS THAT, DOES THAT WORK? YEAH, WE, OUR FIRST ITEM IS COUNCIL COMMENT.
WE CAN, WE CAN LET OUR, OUR, I CAN TALK
WE, WE WE'RE WELL AWARE OF THAT.
UM, ANYWAY, WE HAVE A NEW COUNCIL COMING IN JANUARY, AND LIKE I MENTIONED, THIS IS MY LAST MEETING HERE, UH, TONIGHT WITH THE AIRPORT COMMISSION.
IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS AND IT'S BEEN A JOY.
AND, UM, YOU GUYS ARE DOING GREAT WORK.
AND, UM, THE NEW COUNCIL, UM, DISTRICT FOUR WILL BE FRANK QUINT ON THE EAST SIDE.
SO, UH, DISTRICT FOUR INCLUDES THE AIRPORT SO THAT HE'S A GOOD PERSON TO, TO, BECAUSE HE IS NEW, UM, TO REACH OUT AND SAY HI AND MAYBE HAVE A TOUR OF THE AIRPORT.
UM, I, I'VE ONLY MET HIM ONCE AND THAT WAS AT THE VETERANS DAY PARADE, BUT I BELIEVE HE'S ON OUR BIKE COMMITTEE.
SO HE IS BEEN ON A CITY COMMITTEE AND DISTRICT FIVE WILL BE, OF COURSE, BRIAN BARNACLE WILL BE RETURNING, BUT WE'RE LOSING, UM, OUR SENIOR COUNCIL MEMBER, MIKE KEELEY.
AND THEN BRAND NEW, UH, DISTRICT SIX WILL BE, UM, ALEX LY.
AND I HATE TO ADMIT, BUT I WAS HIS TEACHER 30 YEARS AGO, ONE OF HIS TEACHERS.
SO, UM, I'VE KNOWN ALEX SINCE HE WAS A, A YOUNG, A YOUNG STUDENT.
UM, AND HE'S GOT FRESH NEW IDEAS.
SO HE'S BEEN AROUND FOR OH, MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE GENERATIONS.
UM, THEY REALLY HOLD ONTO THE OLD TRADITIONS OF PETALUMA, UM, AROUND PETALUMA.
AND I DON'T KNOW, I HAVE TO ASK DAN IF THE AIRPORT IS GIVING THEM THE NEW TRASH RECEPTACLES THAT WE ORDERED.
I DON'T BELIEVE WE'RE ON THE LIST.
UM, BUT THERE WAS TALK ABOUT PUTTING SOME ADDITIONAL ONES OUTSIDE OF THE TERMINAL BUILDINGS.
WELL, YOU'LL NOTICE THESE DOWNTOWNS, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE ENJOYING ALL THE FESTIVITIES, THEY'RE AGAIN, HAVE, UM, A TRASH AND THEN ALSO THE RECYCLING COMPONENT.
IT WON'T HAVE THE GREEN WASTE BECAUSE IT'S TOO HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S PROPER GREEN WASTE AND IT DOESN'T GET CONTAMINATED.
ALSO AROUND TOWN, YOU MIGHT HAVE SEEN THE LUMA GO, UM, THE MORE WE COMMENT TO THE LUMA GO APP, MAYBE THEY'LL COME OUT TO THE AIRPORT AND VISIT MORE OF THE EAST SIDE OF PETALUMA, BUT IT'S MAINLY THE DOWNTOWN CORRIDOR.
AND TO, UM, MCDOWELL, IT DOESN'T GO AS FAR AS THE AIRPORT YET, BUT WE HAVE TO JUST MAKE THAT COMMENT ON THE, THE APP.
AND THEN THE LUMA ICE WILL BE OPENING DECEMBER 13TH AT THE FAIRGROUNDS PARKING LOT.
THE FOUNDATION WAS BUILT BY REBUILDING TOGETHER TOMORROW, AND IT IS GONNA BE FABULOUS.
AND IT'LL BE THERE FOR A MONTH.
AND THERE'S A PIECE OF ART SCULPTURE THAT WILL BE ON DISPLAY THAT IS TEMPORARY.
IT'S GOING TO GO TO GOLDEN GATE PARK AFTER THIS CALLED NAGA.
AND IT'S A SEA SERPENT, AND IT WILL BE LIT UP AT NIGHT.
COMING UP IN 2025, WE WILL HAVE, OH, THERE HE IS ON ZOOM.
UM, WE WILL HAVE, IF I TALK LONG ENOUGH, SEE THINGS HAPPEN, WE WILL BE FINALIZING THE NEW, UM, UM, GENERAL PLAN THAT'S GOTTA BE FINALIZED IN 2025.
AND THEN THE OVERLAY FOR DOWNTOWN
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IS, OR HOT BUTTON ITEM WITH, UM, THE COUNCIL AND THE CITY.AND THEN OF COURSE, UH, THE CITY'S LOOKING GOOD.
SO IF YOU HAPPEN TO BE IN A PARK, APPRECIATE THE PUBLIC WORKS AND ALL THEIR WORK, AND THANKS FOR ALL YOUR WORK AT THE AIRPORT.
KAREN, DID, DID YOU MENTION WHO IS GOING TO BE THE LIAISON FROM COUNCIL ON THE COMMISSION NEXT YEAR? WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL JANUARY, LIKE I SAID.
IT, IT, UM, PEOPLE PUT IN THEIR CHOICES.
THE COUNCIL MEMBERS GIVE THEIR CHOICES TO THE MAYOR, THEN THE MAYOR, UM, KIND OF SITS DOWN AND TALKS TO US ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT.
WHAT, UM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE MAYBE SOMEBODY HAS THEIR FIRST CHOICE TWICE IN THE SAME, UM, COMMITTEE.
AND THE MAYOR WILL WORK IT OUT.
OTHERWISE IT GOES TO COUNCIL FOR A VOTE.
SO IN THE PAST WE'VE HAD TWO PEOPLE WANNA BE ON THIS COMMITTEE AND IT WENT TO A VOTE.
AND, BUT NORMALLY THEY ROTATE EVERY TWO YEARS OKAY.
AND I GET TO BE THE VICE MAYOR, BUT THAT STILL HAS TO BE DETERMINED BY A VOTE.
I, I HAD A QUESTION AND YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE RECYCLING AND YOU HAD THAT PURPLE CUP PROGRAM THAT WAS NOT THE CITY THAT WAS, THAT WAS NOT, THAT WAS NOT US.
IT WAS A COMPANY THAT CAME IN THE PURPLE CUPS AND THEY DID IT FOR 90 DAYS.
AND NOW THAT THEY'RE PROCESSING ALL THE DATA AND, YOU KNOW, SEEING HOW THE CUPS DID, BUT WE WERE CHOSEN AS THE CITY MOST LIKELY TO DO THE PILOT PROGRAM.
I NEVER GOT TO DRINK OUTTA 'EM.
HOW'D YOU FEEL? I DON'T BUY COFFEE OUTSIDE OF THE HOUSE.
WELL, I NEVER, BUT PEOPLE SAID THEY HAD 'EM STACKED UP IN THEIR OFFICE AND
YOU DON'T WANT ME ON TOO MUCH CAFFEINE.
AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
I, I'D ALSO LIKE THE RECORD TO NOTE THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER DAMMIT HAS NOW JOINED US FROM WHEREVER HE MAY BE.
UH, CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME OKAY? VERY LOUD.
SO, UH, WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE.
DO YOU WANNA CIRCLE BACK TO THE VOTE? SURE.
WE CAN CIRCLE BACK TO THE VOTE IF YOU WOULD LIKE.
WAS THAT, WHAT WAS ITEM NUMBER ONE THAT WE SKIPPED? OH, YES, THE ELECT.
SO ITEM ONE THAT WE MISSED OF THE MULTIPLE ITEMS I'VE MISSED SO FAR TODAY.
THE ELECTION OF A NEW CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR.
UH, TRADITIONALLY, OR TYPICALLY WE'VE, UH, ELECTED A NEW CHAIR AT THE START OF OUR, I GUESS, NEW YEAR IN JULY.
AND FOR VARIOUS REASONS, WE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO ELECT A NEW CHAIR.
AND I'D LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE SOMEBODY ELSE THIS CHAIR FOR A WHILE.
SO I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY THE PROCESS.
I KNOW WHO I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE TO BE THE CHAIR FOR THE NEXT YEAR AND A HALF.
UM, I ACTUALLY DON'T KNOW WHEN I WOULD HAVE TO BE REAPPOINTED TO THE COMMISSION.
SO THE, THE TYPICALLY THE, THE APPOINTMENT AND, UH, SELECTION OF THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR ALIGNS WITH THE START RIGHT.
AND SO THAT THE, IF MEMBERS ARE TERMING OUT OR NEW MEMBERS ARE COMING IN, THEY'RE USUALLY, THEY'RE STARTING IF IT'S ON SCHEDULE BEGINNING OF JULY.
AND THAT'S A TWO YEAR CORRECT.
SO WE DID THAT AND THEN NOW, OKAY.
SO YOU WOULD JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU WOULD JUST BE DOING THIS THROUGH THE JUNE.
OH, SO I GET A SIX MONTH BREAK BY STARTING.
I'D LIKE THE SECOND DENOMINATION.
ALL ALL IN FAVOR OF COMMISSIONER DIETRICH BECOMING THE CHAIR OF THE AIRPORT COMMISSION.
THANK YOU, MR. DIETRICH WILL BE THE CHAIR.
AND WITH THAT, WE ALSO NEED TO ELECT THE NEW VICE CHAIR BECAUSE OUR VICE CHAIR IS NOW THE CHAIR MUSICAL CHAIRS.
I'D LIKE TO, UH, NOMINATE, UH, COMMISSIONER, UM, COLIN PERRY TO SERVE AS VICE CHAIR.
AND I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION.
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IT'S UNANIMOUS AGAIN.SO STARTING WITH THE JANUARY, WHATEVER THE DATE IS IN JANUARY, THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING, UH, COLLIN, COMMISSIONER COLLIN WILL BE THE VICE CHAIR.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL CALL THAT BUSINESS COMPLETE.
I'LL TRY NOT TO MISS TOO MANY MEETINGS FOR YOU.
WHAT'S THAT? I SAID I'LL TRY NOT TO MISS TOO MANY MEETINGS FOR YOU.
I THINK I'M BACK ON TRACK FOR A MOMENT.
SO WE'LL MOVE TO UNDER COMMITTEE COMMENT ITEM FIVE, THE ED HOC SUBCOMMITTEE UPDATES.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE'VE GOT, UH, SEVERAL OF THEM.
UH, IT LOOKS LIKE THE FIRST ONE IS THE TITLE 16 FEEDBACK IS, JEFF, DO YOU WANNA DO THAT OR DO YOU WANT ME TO DO THAT? UM, YEAH, I CAN START WITH THE EDITS THAT I MADE, AND THEN IF YOU WANNA CONTINUE AFTER, DOES THAT WORK? THAT'S GREAT.
SO, UM, COUPLE THINGS BASED ON, UM, SOME PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED ON THIS ISSUE, I ALSO LOOKED AT, UM, SOME OF THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, AIRPORT RULES AND REGULATIONS FOR AIRPORTS, UM, IN THE SURROUNDING AREA TO TRY AND COMPARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT WE HAVE VERSUS WHAT OTHER AIRPORTS HAVE IN THE VERBIAGE.
AND, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME, UM, WE HAD SOME INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC WAS 16.0 4.050.
AND THAT WAS, UH, COMPLIANCE WITH THE RULES BY FLIGHT INSTRUCTORS AND STUDENTS.
UM, AND THEN IN THE DRAFT DOCUMENT, I WENT AHEAD AND I REMOVED THAT ENTIRELY.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT IT BOILS DOWN TO WITH A LOT OF THESE RULES AND REGULATIONS IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS IT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH? IF THERE'S NOT A, IF THERE'S NOT AN ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IN THE RULES AND REGULATIONS, THEN ADDING THINGS THAT AREN'T REALLY LIKELY TO CHANGE BEHAVIOR OR HAVE AN IMPACT IN A POSITIVE WAY.
WHAT IT BASICALLY BOILS DOWN TO IS JUST CREATING ADDITIONAL ADMINISTRATIVE WORK FOR THOSE THAT DOES AFFECT, IN THIS CASE, FLIGHT INSTRUCTORS.
UM, ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT I, I PUT ON THE SHEET, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ON THE AGENDA THERE, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS IN TITLE 16 THAT DON'T NECESSARILY APPLY TO STUDENT PILOT OPERATIONS.
AND FLIGHT INSTRUCTORS ARE ALREADY RESPONSIBLE FOR ENSURING THAT, UM, THEIR STUDENTS COMPLY WITH, UM, THE RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT PERTAIN TO THEIR, UM, YOU KNOW, THE OPERATION, THE TYPE OF OPERATIONS THEY'RE CONDUCTING.
SO, UM, I, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING SPECIFIC TO THAT IN OTHER, UM, AIRPORTS RULES AND REGULATIONS.
UM, SO I'D BE IN FAVOR OF, UH, OF REMOVING THAT.
AND THEN IT ALSO, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S AN, THE DEFINITION OF WHAT A BASE FLIGHT INSTRUCTOR IS IN THE DEFINITIONS, AT LEAST NOT THAT I SAW IN THE COPY THAT I HAD.
SO THEN THE QUESTION BECOMES, YOU KNOW, WHO DOES THAT APPLY TO? IS THAT, IS THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE EMPLOYED BY A FLIGHT SCHOOL AT THE AIRPORT? DOES IT APPLY TO INSTRUCTORS WHO, UM, ARE POTENTIALLY TRANSIENT, BUT START FROM THE AIRPORT? THAT'S NOT REALLY CLEAR.
AND THEN, UH, MOVING DOWN TO 16, 16.2 0.020, UM, AIRPORT TRAFFIC PATTERNS.
UH, THIS ONE'S KIND OF A TOUGH ONE BECAUSE I MEAN, THE REALITY IS, IS THAT THERE'S, THERE'S GOOD REASONS FOR HAVING ALWAYS MADE THE PROCEDURES, UM, YOU KNOW, AND PROCEDURES, BUT CODIFYING, UH, TRAFFIC PATTERNS ARE, ARE THINGS THAT THE CITY REALLY DOESN'T HAVE ANY AUTHORITY TO ENFORCE.
SO IF, IF THERE'S THINGS ON HERE, UM, THAT ARE MORE DETAILED REGARDING PATTERNS AND WHERE TO FLY, IF WE WANTED LIKE AN EXPANDED VERSION OF OUR SIGNAGE THAT WE HAVE IN THE RUN UP AREAS, I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE TO PUT THAT IN SORT OF A VOLUNTARY NOISE ABATEMENT PROCEDURE PAMPHLET, NOT NECESSARILY IN THE, IN TITLE 16.
UM, I KNOW TRUCKEE HAS, THERE IS A SECTION IN THERE REGARDING THEIR, UH, NOISE ABATEMENT PROCEDURE.
BUT THE WORDING, UM, IS DEFINITELY, IT MAKES IT CLEAR THAT IT IS VOLUNTARY.
UM, I'M NOT REALLY IN FAVOR OF HAVING, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING LIKE WE HAVE HERE THAT, LIKE 16.020, UH, D TALKS ABOUT THAT, UH, ENTRANCE TO THE PATTERN, UM, SHALL BE AT A 45 GRAND BASICALLY SAYING THAT THE ONLY METHOD OF ENTERING THE PATTERN IS ON A 45.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND AS WE KNOW, THERE ARE OTHER METHODS THAT ARE ACCEPTABLE ACCORDING TO THE FAA.
SO HAVING THINGS THAT, UM, CONFL HAVING THINGS IN TITLE 16 THAT INFLICT WITH CURRENT FAA GUIDANCE AND PROCEDURES THAT ARE, UM, ACCEPTABLE BY THE FAA, UH, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF REMOVING.
SO THOSE WERE THINGS THAT, UM, THAT I REDLINED.
UM, SAME THING WITH HELICOPTERS.
UM, IT SAYS IN HERE THAT, UM, HELICOPTER ARRIVALS SHOULD BE RESTRICTED TO THE HELIPAD ON THE NORTHWEST SIDE OF THE FIELD.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO KEEP THAT IN THERE OR NOT.
I KNOW THAT HELICOPTERS HAVE COME AND LANDED ON
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THE RAMP.UM, SO I GUESS WE CAN LEAVE THAT ONE OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS MORE OF A QUESTION I HAD, IS THAT DO WE REALLY NEED THAT IN THERE OR NOT? UM, SO I'LL LEAVE THAT, LEAVE THAT OPEN.
AND, UH, THAT WAS REALLY ALL THE COMMENTS THAT I HAD, WAS JUST ANY CASE WHERE WE WERE DEALING WITH, UM, POTENTIAL CONFLICTS OF, OF FAA REGULATIONS, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF JUST VERBIAGE, UH, LIKE TRUCKEE HAS WHERE THEY DEFER TO, UM, YOU KNOW, 14 CFR PART 91, PART 1 35, WHATEVER IT IS.
UH, 'CAUSE AS WE KNOW, FAA RULES CHANGE AND, YOU KNOW, TITLE 16 GETS UPDATED MAYBE ONCE EVERY 20 YEARS.
UM, SO IN AN EFFORT TO KIND OF HAVE A DOCUMENT THAT YOU KNOW, IS RELEVANT AND, AND UP TO DATE, UM, I WOULD PREFER TO JUST DEFER TO THOSE, UM, CURRENT FAA GUIDANCE AND REMOVE ANYTHING SPECIFIC, LIKE, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO, UM, AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS THAT ARE NOT ON GROUND.
SO THOSE, THOSE WERE, UH, ALL THE COMMENTS THAT I HAD ON IT.
UM, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO ANNA.
I KNOW YOU HAD SOME, UM, UPDATES TO THAT AS WELL.
I, I, I, AS YOU KNOW, I SUPPORT ALL OF THE, THE CHANGES THAT YOU SUGGESTED, UM, AS WELL.
UH, SO I SCRUBBED, UH, LOOKING FOR INTERNAL INCONSISTENCIES IN PLACES WHERE, AS JEFF WAS SAYING, THERE WERE, UM, DEFINITION MISMATCHES WITH FAA REGULATORY LANGUAGE OR ADVISORY CIRCULARS OR OTHER SORT OF LIKE, HIGHER LEVEL, UM, PIECES THAT WE SHOULD BE DEFERRING TO.
UM, SO I HAVE SOME SUGGESTIONS FOR, FOR CLEANUP AND SIMPLIFICATION IN THE DEFINITION SECTION TO MAKE THAT MORE CONSISTENT WITH FAA AND DOT.
UM, AND THEN I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST IN THE COMPLIANCE WITH FEDERAL AVIATION ACT AND FEDERAL REGULATIONS SECTION, THAT WE ACTUALLY ADD A PARAGRAPH THAT EXPLICITLY DEFERS, UM, AND, AND PULLS IN FA REGULATIONS AND US CODE 49, UM, AS APPROPRIATE, JUST SO THAT THAT'S COVERED.
UM, I ALSO FELT THAT, UM, THE ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE COMMISSION WERE NOT APPROPRIATELY COVERED IN THE DOCUMENT, UM, AND, UH, HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO FIND SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT THOSE LIVE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OUR KIND OF RUN OF SHOW MEETING RULES.
UM, BUT IN TERMS OF ACTUAL FORMAL RESPONSIBILITIES AND AUTHORITY THAT THIS BODY HAS, THOSE SEEMED VERY POORLY DEFINED, UM, AT LEAST IN TITLE 16.
SO IF THOSE LIVE SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE MUNICIPAL CODE, I WILL GO LOOK AT THAT, OF COURSE.
BUT, UM, AS IT STANDS, THERE'S A COUPLE OF REFERENCES IN TITLE 16 TO PLACES WHERE PEOPLE SHOULD APPEAL TO THE COMMISSION OR, UM, MENTIONS OF THE COMMISSION, BUT THERE'S NO, NO ACTUAL DEFINITION OF THE BODY IN TERMS OF CON, YOU KNOW, MAKEUP AND ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES.
AND THE FORMER RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE COMMISSION AND THE MANAGER WASN'T ADEQUATELY DEFINED IN MY OPINION.
SO I THINK WE SHOULD GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF THOUGHT AND MAYBE WORK WITH, UH, THE CITY'S COUNCIL ON AN APPROPRIATE WAY TO EITHER REFERENCE THAT IF IT EXISTS SOMEWHERE ELSE, OR JUST ADD A LITTLE BIT OF STRUCTURE TO THAT.
UM, 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST, IT'S A LITTLE BIT, IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT TOO LOOSEY GOOSEY FOR, TO, TO USE THE TECHNICAL TERM FOR, FOR MY TASTE IN TERMS OF HOW THAT'S HANDLED IN THE DOCUMENT.
UM, AND IT'S, I I AM NOT EVEN SURE WE'RE, WE'RE FOLLOWING THE APPROPRIATE, UM, THE SIZE OF THE GROUP AT THIS POINT.
'CAUSE THE DEFINITION AS IT STAYS THE SEVEN MEMBERS APPOINTED TO THE COMMISSION BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
SO, UM, I THINK WE NEED TO JUST LOOK AT, AT THE WAY THE COMMISSION IS HANDLED IN THAT DOCUMENT.
UM, THERE'S ALSO, UM, I, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A SCRUB FOR REPLACING THE UNNECESSARILY GENDERED LANGUAGE WITH SOMETHING THAT'S MORE NEUTRAL.
UM, HIS IS USED A LOT, SO I'D LIKE TO SWITCH THAT TO THERE.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO, UH, LANGUAGE AROUND UN CREWED AIRCRAFT AND ULTRALIGHT AIRCRAFT THAT QUITE FRANKLY IS INCORRECT WHEN COMPARED BACK AGAINST FAA DEFINITIONS.
UM, SO, UH, IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY FLAWED.
UM, SO WE NEED TO CLEAN THAT UP AS WELL.
SO, UH, I THINK, UM, THERE'S, AND THEN THERE'S SEVERAL OTHER MORE MINOR THINGS.
THOSE ARE SORT OF THE MORE CONCEPTUAL PIECES.
UM, SO BETWEEN THOSE TWO LISTS OF SUGGESTED MODIFICATIONS, IT IS A RELATIVELY EXTENSIVE, UH, SET OF REVISIONS BASED OFF OF WHAT WE WERE PROVIDED AS THE MOST CURRENT LIKE REVISED DRAFT OF THIS DOCUMENT.
UM, SO I GUESS THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO GET OUR SUGGESTIONS OR REQUESTS.
UM, WE NEED TO, I, I'M ASSUMING
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TO TAKE SUGGESTIONS OR DIFFER ON THE APPROPRIATE PROCESS FOR THAT FROM HERE.BUT IT IS WHAT STARTED OFF AS LIKE, OH, THERE'S PROBABLY ONE PARAGRAPH WE WANNA EDIT TURNED INTO, ACTUALLY THERE'S SEVERAL DOZEN FAIRLY SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES THAT SHOULD BE MADE.
SO I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR NEXT STEPS ARE HERE, FRANKLY, BUT WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING NEXT.
SO I DUNNO HOW WE GET IT OUT OF AD HOC TO THE REST OF THE COMMISSION.
DOES THAT GO ON THE NEXT AGENDA? UM, SURE.
I GUESS FOR SOME OF THESE ARE GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT BECAUSE, UM, UH, FOR INSTANCE, THE DEFINITION OF THE AIRPORT COMMISSION, WHAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL IS SUGGESTING LANGUAGE AND THAT'S WHERE WE YEAH, NO, I'M HA AND WE'RE HAPPY TO PROVIDE A, A FULL MARKUP OF, WE, WE ALREADY HAVE PROBABLY 95% OF THAT, OF WHAT WE WOULD LIKE IT TO, YOU KNOW, RED LINE OF WHAT WE WOULD LIKE IT TO LOOK LIKE, INCLUDING WE CAN ADD LANGUAGE FOR THAT.
I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A, A BARRIER AT ALL.
IT'S JUST LIKE, WHAT DO WE DO WITH THAT RED LINE DOCUMENT? WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO HAVE THOSE, UM, SUGGESTIONS AVAILABLE IN TIME FOR THE POSTING OF THE AGENDA FOR JANUARY AND THEN WE CAN LEASE, I MEAN, WE COULD HAVE THOSE TO YOU NEXT WEEK.
YEAH, WITHIN THE NEXT, I WOULD SAY THREE WEEKS WOULD BE GREAT, THEN, THEN WE CAN, UM, PROVIDE THOSE UNDER SORT OF, AND EVEN ADD IT TO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT IN CASE THERE WAS MORE COMMON THAT NEEDED TO BE ON SOME OF THOSE ITEMS. WOULD THAT BE THAT WORK? YES.
A QUESTION ABOUT ORDER OF OPERATIONS.
JUST, UM, SO WE, WE CAN SEND SOMETHING OUT TO THE COMMISSIONERS SO WE CAN HAVE REDDIT BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING.
UM, YE IT WOULD BE, YEAH, WE SEND, WE COULD SEND IT AS, WE CAN PUSH THE AGENDA OUT AS, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE THAT WAY.
'CAUSE EVERYBODY PLENTY OF TIME TO LOOK AT THOSE.
THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE BEST WAY.
IS THERE, IS THERE ANY WAY, AND THE ANSWER MAY BE NO, BUT IT WOULD BE MORE EFFICIENT IF THERE WAS A WAY TO GET, UM, OTHER LIKE MAYBE WE COULD CHANGE THE CONTENT OF THE AD LIKE AD HOC COMMITTEE SO THAT THE OTHER TWO MEMBERS ARE NOW ABLE TO LOOK AT THE DOCUMENT.
AND SO WE CAN HAVE SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE HAS LOOKED AT BEFORE IT GOES ON THE AGENDA.
OTHERWISE PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE SURE IF SOMEBODY ELSE CATCHES SOMETHING, WE'RE NOW ANOTHER WEEK BEHIND YEAH.
WE'RE THEN WE'RE GETTING INTO A PUBLIC MEETING AT THAT POINT.
UM, SO WE COULD YEAH, I KNOW IT'S, IF WE AREN'T DISCUSSING IT THOUGH, AND JUST ADDING SURE.
UM, LET'S, YEAH, LET'S WORK OUT A WAY TO TRY TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.
'CAUSE YOU'RE KINDA LIMITED TO, TO THREE MEMBERS, RIGHT? FOR THAT.
WAS THERE MORE MEMBERS THAT YOU THOUGHT WOULD BE, WELL, I DON'T, DOES ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO HAVE COMMENTS OR ARE WE READY TO LIKE
'CAUSE THEN THE OTHER REMAINING COMMISSIONERS CAN ADD, UM, YEAH, COMMENTS.
AND I, I IMAGINE WE'RE LOOKING AT AT LEAST A COUPLE MONTHS OF THIS.
AND THEN, THEN WE HAVE THE, TRYING TO GET, UM, SEE ATTORNEY BANDWIDTH FOR THAT.
ASSUMING THERE'S PRETTY MINOR, IT SHOULDN'T TAKE MUCH, BUT, UM, IT'S NOT MINOR.
WELL,
I DON'T THINK THAT'LL BE CONSIDERED MINOR.
SO THIS, THE WAY THIS IS LOOKING, THIS, WE, WE, AT SOME POINT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO KIND OF CANCEL OUR RESOLUTION.
SO WE HAVE A RESOLUTION, UM, DRAFT.
IT'S KIND OF BEEN HANGING OUT THERE.
WE KEEP PUSHING IT FORWARD IN THE CALENDAR.
WE PROBABLY NEED TO, I MEAN, THE WAY THIS IS GOING, WE NEED TO TAKE THIS OFF AND THIS NEEDS TO BE THE 2025 PROJECT OF THE AIRPORT COMMISSION.
I, THAT'S WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M HEARING FROM YOU IS THIS ISN'T JUST A COUPLE, FEW MONTHS.
NO, I THINK WE THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE JUST A COUPLE OF PARAGRAPHS.
AND THEN AFTER SITTING DOWN AND ACTUALLY DOING A DETAILED REVIEW, UM, IT'S NOT JUST A COUPLE OF PARAGRAPHS.
IT'S, I MEAN, AND MAYBE THE, MAYBE THE CITY ATTORNEY WILL THINK THAT THEY'RE MINOR BECAUSE THEY'RE MORE AVIATION FOCUSED.
UM, AND MAYBE THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE DEFINITION OF AN UNC CREWED AIRCRAFT OR AN ULTRALIGHT AIRCRAFT.
UM, BUT I, IT'S NOT JUST A COUPLE OF GRAMMATICAL CHANGES HERE AND THERE.
IT'S A POLL, YOU KNOW, AS JEFF WAS SAYING, IT'S DELETING SEVERAL PARAGRAPHS.
UM, SO, AND THEN ADDING LANGUAGE ABOUT THE ROLE AND RESPONSIBILITY OF THE COMMISSION.
SO I, I WOULD IMAGINE IF I WAS THE CITY ATTORNEY, I WOULDN'T THINK IT WAS MINOR, I DON'T THINK.
AND AS FAR AS, UM, I, I HEAR, I HEAR THE REFERENCES TO, UM, REGS THAT MAY CHANGE.
UH, THE REMEDY FOR THAT WOULD JUST BE REFER RIGHT TO THEM EXACTLY.
REFERENCE CHAPTER, I GUESS THAT LANGUAGE, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS ATTORNEY AND STAFF ARE GONNA WANT TO TAKE A LOT OUT.
WE JUST WANNA MAYBE JUST CHANGE THE REFERENCES.
WELL, I THINK THOSE ARE TWO SEPARATE ISSUES.
SO I THINK THERE'S PLACES WHERE THERE'S, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, DEF LIKE THE DEFINITION OF VEHICLE AND THE DEFINITION OF AIRCRAFT ARE INCLUDED IN THIS DOCUMENT.
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CONFLICTING WITH FAA AND DOT DEFINITIONS OF AIRCRAFT AND VEHICLE.SO THAT'S SOMETHING WHERE THOSE ARE STABLE, THAT COULD JUST BE MADE CONSISTENT.
THERE'S OTHER PLACES WHERE, LIKE IN THE ULTRALIGHT SECTION, THEY NEED TO BE POINTING TO LIKE FAA ADVISORY CIRCULAR MATERIALS OR OTHER PLACES WHERE YOU NEED TO JUST POINT TO THE FARS.
UM, SO THOSE ADDING REFERENCES I THINK IS FINE.
LIKE REPLACING A SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT WITH A REFERENCE TO A FAR, THAT'S PROBABLY PRETTY MINOR.
BUT WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT ABOUT REMOVING PARAGRAPHS IS WHAT JEFF WAS TALKING ABOUT, OF THEY'RE NOT RELATED TO THE FARS PER SE.
THEY, THAT THAT SAFETY INTENT IS ALREADY COVERED BY THE FARS.
SO IT'S REDUNDANT, BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU JUST GO REFERENCE, LIKE THE AIM, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT REPLACING THAT THING WITH A REFERENCE TO A, AN EXTERNAL THING.
IT'S DELETING THAT THING BECAUSE IT IS NOT NECESSARY, BECAUSE THERE IS ANOTHER THING OUT THERE AND IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE IN THIS DOCUMENT.
EVEN THE REFERENCE WOULDN'T BE APPROPRIATE IN THIS DOCUMENT.
SO I THINK IT'S, IT'S MORE THAT THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT TYPES OF SUGGESTED CHANGES THAT WE HAVE.
AND I, I, YOU KNOW, WE TRIED TO PROVIDE A SUMMARY TO GIVE, GET PEOPLE THINKING ABOUT IT AND WHATNOT.
BUT I THINK THE, THE RIGHT NEXT STEP IS GONNA BE TO LOOK AT A RED LINE.
AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER NOTE I WOULD ADD IS THAT JUST KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS IS ONE, UM, CHAPTER OF PERMISSIBLE CODE AND AMONGST OTHERS.
SO SOME THINGS THAT, LIKE A VEHICLE, THE DEFINITION OF THAT COULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLUID THAN THE FA DE DEFINITION BECAUSE THAT, OH, AND I'M, I, THAT, THAT ONE SPECIFICALLY IS IN CONTRADICTION WITH THE ACTUAL DOT DEFINITION THAT OKAY.
SO
UM, SO YEAH, SO WE CAN PROVIDE A RED LINE WITH, UM, ALL OF OUR SUGGESTED EDITS, DELETIONS, ADDITIONS, CORRECTIONS, THAT KIND OF STUFF.
UM, AND, UM, GET THAT ON THE AGENDA AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
GET THAT OUT TO THE GROUP AS SOON AS POSSIBLE SO PEOPLE CAN READ AND REVIEW IT.
'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S A 30 PAGE DOCUMENT, RIGHT.
SO, UM, BUT YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN DEFINITELY HAVE THAT OUT FOR, FOR NEXT TIME.
AND THE, AS FAR AS THE NEXT DOESN'T NEED TO BE ON THE NEXT AGENDA FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, JUST BECAUSE WE'RE, SINCE THIS IS GETTING PUSHED OUT SO FAR, I THINK WE'RE JUST AS WE'RE KIND OF ON THE SCHEDULE AS FAR AS, AS QUICKLY AS THE AD HOC CAN MOVE YEAH.
OR REPLACING WITH SOME OTHER AD HOC THAT IS GONNA BE SOLELY FOCUSED ON THIS.
NO, I THINK, I THINK WE CAN KEEP THE AD HOC AS IS OKAY.
IF, UNLESS ANYBODY ELSE HAS HEARTBURN ABOUT THAT.
I MEAN, UM, SO I THINK THAT'S FINE.
WE CAN, JEFF AND I CAN CAN FINISH THIRD LINE AND, AND TOM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ON THE LIST.
UM, SO WE CAN, WE CAN GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF AND, AND GET THE RED LINE SENT OUT.
I THINK WE'RE ON THE SCHEDULE THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT LAST MONTH OF LIKE OUR REVIEW AND THEN FOR THIS GROUP AND THEN MOVING IT THROUGH TO THE CITY.
SO WE WERE HOPING TO HAVE IT APPROVED BY THIS GROUP IN JANUARY, WAS MY UNDERSTANDING, AND THEN SENT OFF TO THE CITY FOR THEIR REVIEW, IS WHAT I HAD WRITTEN DOWN.
BUT SOMETIMES I CAN'T READ MY HANDWRITING, SO THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN WRONG.
UM, BUT YEAH, I THINK WE'RE ON TRACK FOR THAT.
I, AND I, I, I FEEL A LITTLE BIT, I LIKE, WE, WE BAIT AND SWITCHED YOU GUYS BECAUSE WE'RE LIKE, OH, JUST A COUPLE THINGS.
AND THEN NOW IT'S LIKE, OH, IT'S ACTUALLY QUITE A LOT.
SO, UM, BUT, BUT IF WE'RE ONLY GONNA DO THIS ONCE EVERY 30 YEARS, WE SHOULD DO IT.
I THINK THAT'S THAT, JEFF, UNLESS, UNLESS YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO, TO REEMPHASIZE HERE, ADD, I THINK THAT CONCLUDES JUST TITLE.
JUST GOING BACK TO EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YES, POINTING TO FA GUIDANCE AND REMOVING THINGS DEFINITELY ARE DIFFERENT.
LIKE WHEN YOU TAKE, FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT NOW IT'S, IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, THAT THE CURRENT REGS SAY THAT AIRCRAFT SHALL ENTER THE PATTERN ON A 45, WHICH BASICALLY MEANS THAT ANYBODY WHO'S DOING A PUBLISHED RNA APPROACH AND FLYING STRAIGHT IN IS TECHNICALLY IN VIOLATION OF THE CITY ORDINANCE.
RIGHT? SO WE'RE TAKING THINGS THAT, UH, O ONCE THEY'RE CODIFIED, YOU'RE PROVIDING A BITE AND POTENTIALLY PENALTIES, UM, TO SOMETHING TO OPERATIONS WHERE THERE'S CERTAINLY OTHER, UM, YOU KNOW, PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE METHODS OF ENTERING A TRAFFIC PATTERN, RIGHT? SO THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT WE CAN'T HAVE PREFERRED METHODS OR, OR PUBLISHING THINGS IN OTHER WAYS.
UM, THERE'S JUST, I THINK THERE'S A MORE APPROPRIATE PLACE THAN TITLE 16 WHERE ANYTHING IN HERE, THERE'S ACTUALLY PENALTIES FOR NOT FOLLOWING THE RES, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE LANGUAGE LIKE SHALL AND MUST, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S BASICALLY INCORRECT AND IT'S IN CONFLICT WITH A LOT OF OTHER FAA RULES.
SO, UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THAT CLEANED UP AND, UM, HOPEFULLY WE CAN, YOU KNOW, GET THIS.
I MEAN, I, WHEN I STARTED LOOKING AT IT, I WAS THINKING THAT WE COULD JUST CLEAN THIS UP, CLEAN THAT UP.
BUT AGAIN, 'CAUSE WE ONLY DO THIS EVERY 20 OR 30 YEARS, I THINK IT DOES MAKE SENSE TO REALLY TAKE A HARD LOOK AT THIS, GO
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THROUGH IT, AND MAKE SURE WE CAN GET ALL THIS DONE BEFORE, UM, MOVING FORWARD WITH IT.SO IF IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT LONGER, UM, YOU KNOW, I'D BE IN FAVOR OF DOING, DOING IT ONCE AND DOING IT RIGHT.
UM, I WILL ASK THE HANGAR FEASIBILITY STUDY GROUP IF THEY'RE WILLING TO HOLD.
'CAUSE IT APPEARS THAT MM, UH, JUMP ARROW HAS LANDED
SO IF, UH, YOU WOULD LIKE, ARE YOU, ARE YOU READY OR WOULD YOU LIKE A FEW MINUTES? UH, DO YOU GUYS HAVE THE PRESENTATION? WE DO, YES.
YEAH, I CAN, I CAN JUST GO NOW IF YOU WANT.
AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, I'M GONNA FORMALLY RECUSE MYSELF FROM THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING.
SO WE WILL HAVE OUR, OUR PRESENTATION NOW FROM JUMP AIR, UH, JUMP ARROW, EXCUSE ME, THE AIRPORT LAND USE PROPOSAL.
SO I THOUGHT I'D START WITH A LITTLE BIT OF AN INTRODUCTION TO, UH, TO OUR COMPANY.
UM, IS IT GONNA POP UP ON A SCREEN OR NO PROBLEM.
SO, UH, UM, START WITH A LITTLE INTRO, UH, QUICK FACTS ABOUT JUMP ARROW.
WE ARE STILL A STARTUP COMPANY.
OUR HEADQUARTERS IS RIGHT HERE IN PETALUMA.
OUR FACILITIES, WE'VE GOT A, UH, SMALL FLEX SPACE ON INDUSTRIAL AVENUE, UM, ON THE SORT OF ON THE BACKSIDE WHERE THE AUTO MALL IS.
UH, WE'VE ALSO, WE ALSO RENT A HANGAR AT THE AIRPORT, A T HANGAR AT, UH, PETALUMA AIRPORT.
AND WE ALSO HAVE A SMALL T HANGER AT OSS FIELD.
UM, WE ARE DEVELOPING TWO PRODUCTS RIGHT NOW.
ONE IS A FULL SCALE AIRCRAFT AND THAT'S THE FOCUS OF OUR EFFORTS.
UM, BUT ALONG THAT DEVELOPMENT PATHWAY, WE MADE A SUBSCALE DRONE THAT IT TURNED OUT THE AIR FORCE AND THE FLIGHT INSPECTION SERVICE BASED OUT OF OKLAHOMA CITY ARE BOTH VERY INTERESTED IN, UH, USING, IN CONJUNCTION WITH A SOFTWARE DEFINED RADIO PACKAGE FOR THE CALIBRATION OF INSTRUMENT LANDING SYSTEMS ALL AROUND THE WORLD.
IT HAS THE POTENTIAL OF CUTTING THE COST OF INSTRUMENT, LANDING CALIBRATION BY A FACTOR OF ABOUT 20 COMPARED TO WHAT THEY DO TODAY.
UM, SO THAT, THAT MAY BE A, A SPINOFF, UH, TECHNOLOGY THAT WE MAY LOOK TO COMMERCIALIZE AS WELL.
BUT MOST OF MY PRESENTATION IS GOING TO BE FOCUSED ON THE FULL SCALE, MANNED ALL ELECTRIC VERTICAL TAKEOFF AND LANDING AIRCRAFT CALLED THE JA ONE PULSE.
OUR PRIMARY CUS CUSTOMERS FOR THIS PRODUCT ARE THE UNITED STATES AIR FORCE, UH, FALK, WHICH IS A GLOBAL EMERGENCY RESPONSE COMPANY ELECT.
UH, THEY OPERATE OUT OF 24 COUNTRIES ALL AROUND THE WORLD, INCLUDING HERE IN THE UNITED STATES.
UH, THEY CURRENTLY HAVE THE FIRST RESPONSE CONTRACT IN ALAMEDA CON COUNTY AND SAN DIEGO COUNTY, A NUMBER OF OTHER COUNTIES IN CALIFORNIA AND ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
UH, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE ELECTRO VENTURES AS A CUSTOMER.
THEY'RE, UH, PROVIDE SERVICES IN AUSTRALIA.
UM, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF INVESTORS, UH, THAT ARE SUPPORTING THE COMPANY AS WELL, INCLUDING MARIN SONOMA IMPACT VENTURES, UH, WHICH WE ARE VERY PLEASED TO BRING ON, UH, ABOUT A YEAR AGO AS A SUPPORTER OF JUMP ARROW, UM, THE COMPANY IS RUN BY MYSELF.
UM, WE HAVE A FANTASTIC TEAM OF FOLKS.
UH, THIS IS MY SECOND STARTUP VENTURE IN THE AVIATION WORLD.
UH, MY FIRST COMPANY WAS CALLED TERRAFUGIA, WHICH ANNA CO-FOUNDED WITH ME BACK IN 2006.
THAT COMPANY WAS ACQUIRED, UH, BACK IN 2017.
UH, AND, UH, A COUPLE YEARS AFTER THAT ACQUISITION I FOUNDED, UH, JUMP ARROW.
UM, CO-FOUNDERS HAVE DEEP BACKGROUNDS IN, UH, TECHNOLOGY AND, AND AVIATION AS WELL.
UM, HAPPY TO GO INTO ANY OF THIS IN AS MUCH DETAIL AS YOU WANT, BUT WHAT ARE WE DOING AND WHY IS THIS IMPORTANT? UM, EVERY YEAR IN THE UNITED STATES, THERE ARE ABOUT 350,000 OUT OF HOSPITAL CARDIAC ARRESTS.
THERE ARE ALSO ABOUT 350,000 STROKES.
UM, OVERALL, 3.4 MILLION TIME CRITICAL EMERGENCIES IN THE UNITED STATES.
IF YOU LIVE IN A CITY LIKE WHERE WE ARE HERE DOWNTOWN OR, OR DOWN IN SAN UH, SAN FRANCISCO, THE AVERAGE EMERGENCY RESPONSE TIME, IF YOU CALL 9 1 1, IS ABOUT SEVEN AND A HALF MINUTES.
IF YOU GO JUST A LITTLE WAYS FARTHER DOWN THE ROAD, DOWN BODEGA, ALL OF A SUDDEN THE AVERAGE RESPONSE TIME IS ABOUT 15 MINUTES.
SO IN RURAL AREAS, THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE TIME ON AVERAGE IS ABOUT TWICE
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AS LONG AS IT IS IN URBAN AREAS.AND WHY IS THAT A PROBLEM? WELL, IF YOU HAVE ONE OF THOSE OUT OF HOSPITAL CARDIAC ARREST AND YOUR HEART STOPS PUMPING AND YOU STOP GETTING OXYGEN TO YOUR BRAIN, YOU'RE ON THE CLOCK.
AND IF YOU CAN GET OXYGEN REESTABLISHED TO YOUR BRAIN IN, UH, YOU KNOW, FIVE TO 10 MINUTES, YOU'VE GOT A SHOT.
IF IT'S BEYOND 10 MINUTES COMA AND BRAIN DAMAGE, AND BY THE TIME YOU'RE OUT AT 15 MINUTES, BASICALLY YOU'RE DEAD.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE OXYGEN IN YOUR BRAIN FOR THAT LONG, THE AVERAGE RESPONSE TIME IN THOSE RURAL AREAS ALL ACROSS THE UNITED STATES FOR 57 MILLION AMERICANS IS 14 AND A HALF MINUTES.
RIGHT? SO, ON AVERAGE, IF YOU LIVE IN A RURAL AREA IN THE UNITED STATES, FIRST WORLD COUNTRY TODAY, AND YOU HAVE AN OUT-OF-HOSPITAL CARDIAC ARREST, YOU'RE DEAD UNLESS SOMEBODY'S RIGHT THERE TO DO CPR ON YOU.
SO, AND SO, OUR GOAL AT JUMP ARROW IS TO USE THIS ADVANCED AVIATION TECHNOLOGY TO HELP CUT THAT RURAL RESPONSE TIME IN HALF AND BRING IT ON PAR WITH WHAT WE ENJOY IN CITIES.
AND THAT'S REALLY OUR MISSION.
AND IT'S NOT JUST CARDIAC ARREST THAT WE WORRY, WORRY ABOUT.
IT'S ALL TIME CRITICAL EMERGENCIES, STROKES, HEART DISEASE, RESPIRATORY FAILURE, INJURY ACROSS THE BOARD.
IF YOU COMPARE RURAL OUTCOMES TO URBAN OUTCOMES ACROSS THE BOARD, YOU HAVE A STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IN PERCENTAGE OF PREVENTABLE DEATHS.
AND IT REALLY JUST COMES DOWN TO, IT TAKES LONGER TO GET THERE, IT LONGER TO GET HELP.
AND SO THAT, THAT'S OUR MISSION, UH, JUMP ARROW.
WE'RE LOOKING TO USE ELECTRIC VERTICAL TAKEOFF AND LANDING AIRCRAFT TECHNOLOGY TO ENABLE FASTER RURAL EMERGENCY RESPONSE.
IF WE IMAGINE A WORLD IN WHICH THIS TECHNOLOGY WAS PROPAGATED EVERYWHERE AROUND THE PLANET, IT WOULD HAVE THE POTENTIAL OF SAVING ABOUT 3 MILLION LIVES EACH YEAR.
WE'RE DOING IT BY DEVELOPING THIS, UH, VERY HIGH PERFORMANCE, ELECTRIC VERTICAL TAKEOFF AND LANDING AIRCRAFT CALLED THE JA ONE PULSE.
IT IS BY FAR THE FASTEST EVAL AIRCRAFT OUT THERE UNDER DEVELOPMENT RIGHT NOW.
UH, AND IT IS BROUGHT TO MARKET USING THIS NEW SIMPLIFIED REGULATORY COMPLIANCE PATH.
UM, IT IS REALLY THE ONLY V TEL EV V TAL OUT THERE THAT'S OPTIMIZED FOR THIS EMERGENCY RAPID RESPONSE MISSION AS A LOT OF UNIQUE CHARACTERISTICS BEING EASY TO TRANSPORT, VERY FAST TO TAKE OFF, SMALL LANDING FOOTPRINT, EXCEPTIONALLY HIGH VISIBILITY FOR LANDING IN UNIMPROVED AREAS.
UH, EMPLOYS SIMPLIFIED FLIGHT CONTROLS, FULL ENVELOPE PROTECTIONS AS PART OF A, A FLY BY WIRE, UH, SYSTEM, UH, DESIGNED TO CARRY ESSENTIALS.
THIS IS A COMPUTER RENDERING OF THE, THE VEHICLE, UH, TAKES.
IT CARRIES ABOUT 325 POUNDS OF PAYLOAD.
ONE PERSON WHO'S THE PILOT AND ALSO AN EMT OR A PARAMEDIC, UH, AND LIFESAVING EQUIPMENT LIKE A MECHANICAL CPR DEVICE, A TRAUMA KIT, AIRWAY KIT, UH, HEART MONITOR, A ED, ET CETERA, CAPABLE OF DASHING AT 250 KNOTS IN THE THE DASH.
SO THAT THIS IS ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE, WE HELP SAVE, UH, LIVES AS WE GET THERE FASTER.
EMPLOYEE SIMPLIFIED FLIGHT CONTROLS FOR FASTER TRAINING AND IMPROVE SAFETY.
UM, LANDING FOOTPRINT OF ABOUT A PICKUP TRUCK.
SO THIS IS WHAT IT WOULD KIND OF LOOK, LOOK, LOOK LIKE.
STANDING ON THE GROUND, UH, DOES HAVE A BALLISTIC AIRFRAME PARACHUTE FOR THE ENTIRE AIRCRAFT.
AND UNLIKE ANY OF THE OTHER E EVALS OUT THERE, WE ARE, UH, OPTIMIZED FOR VERY HIGH SPEED.
UM, YOU GUYS MAY HAVE HEARD OF JOBY ARCHER, A BUNCH OF THE OTHER COMPANIES OUT THERE THAT ARE DESIGNING THEIR AIRCRAFT FOR AIR TAXI MISSIONS.
AND THOSE MISSIONS YOU DESIGN OPTIMIZING FOR DOLLARS PER PASSENGER MILE.
IN OUR CASE, WE OPTIMIZE FOR A DIFFERENT METRIC, WHICH IS BASICALLY BOILS DOWN TO HOW FAR CAN YOU GO IN EIGHT MINUTES? BECAUSE IF I CAN GO FARTHER IN EIGHT MINUTES, I CAN SAVE MORE LIVES WITH ONE AIRCRAFT.
UH, AND THAT REALLY COMES THROUGH, IF WE, UH, DEPLOY THIS AIRCRAFT, IT SHOULD GENUINELY REVOLUTIONIZE RURAL EMERGENCY RESPONSE.
THERE ARE AREAS OF THE UNITED STATES WHERE IT DOES NOT MAKE FINANCIAL SENSE TO PAY FOR FULL-TIME PARAMEDICS OR EMTS TO BE STANDING BY AND WAITING IN AN AMBULANCE FOR A CALL.
THEY'RE RURAL ENOUGH THAT YOU JUST CAN'T AFFORD PEOPLE TO BE WAITING THERE.
YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE THAT CAN SUPPORT THE TAX BASIS TO COVER THAT LARGE OF A AN AREA.
UH, THE POPULATION DENSITIES ARE SO LOW IN THESE PLACES BECAUSE THIS VEHICLE GOES SO FAR, SO FAST, WE CAN MAKE PROFESSIONAL FIRST RESPONSE, PRACTICAL, FINANCIALLY PRACTICAL IN AREAS WHERE IT
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NEVER WAS BEFORE.MUCH LOWER POPULATION DENSITIES THAN YOU COULD PREVIOUSLY AFFORDED.
UH, THE VEHICLE WILL GO, YOU GUYS ARE PILOTS, I ASSUME, OR I HAVE SOME.
UH, SO IF YOU, IF YOU, UH, ON A SECTIONAL CHART, A MODE C VEIL HAS A 30 NAUTICAL MILE RADIUS, RIGHT? IF YOU PLOP A MODE C VEIL, ONE OF THOSE CIRCLES CENTERED ON ANY NONT TOWER GENERAL AVIATION AIRPORT IN A RURAL AREA, THIS VEHICLE WILL GET TO ANY LOCATION INSIDE THAT MODE C VEIL CIRCLE IN LESS THAN 10 MINUTES.
AND, UH, MOST PLACES LESS THAN EIGHT MINUTES, UH, DEPENDS ON HOW LONG IT TAKES THE PILOT TO ASSESS THE LANDING ZONE.
THAT'S THE, THE BIGGEST VARIABLE ACTUALLY IN THE, IN THE EQUATION.
UM, WHAT THAT MEANS IS YOU'RE COVERING 2,800 SQUARE MILES OF AREA WITH ONE PILOT, ONE AIRCRAFT, AND ONE PERSON ON THE GROUND WHO'S THERE TO SUPPORT THE, THE OPERATION.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ECONOMICS OF THAT DISTRIBUTED OVER 2,800 SQUARE MILES IN MORE RURAL AREAS, THAT AVERAGE COST PER PERSON IS ABOUT 15% OF AN AMBULANCE ON THE GROUND.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S, EVEN THOUGH THE VEHICLE ITSELF COSTS 10 TIMES AS MUCH AS AN AMBULANCE ALMOST, UH, IT, IT REALLY, THE, THE NUMBERS WORK OUT.
IT'S REALLY AMAZING HOW THIS, UH, HOW THIS TECHNOLOGY HAS THE POTENTIAL TO REVOLUTIONIZE RURAL FIRST RESPONSE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING AS A COMPANY.
UH, WE, WE'VE BEEN LIVING HERE SINCE 2015, UM, FOR A WHILE.
WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO EXPAND OUR PRESENCE AT THE AIRPORT.
IT'S TOUGH, UH, BECAUSE WHAT WE WANT IS, AS DAN KNOWS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS MANY TIMES, IS WE, WE NEED SOME PLACE WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY RECEIVE PACKAGES BECAUSE WE'RE BUILDING THINGS AND, UH, WE GET STUFF DELIVERED TO US.
AND, UH, SO WE, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO RECEIVE PACKAGES, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME OFFICE SPACE IN A CONFERENCE ROOM AND THINGS LIKE THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE ENGINEERS THAT ARE WORKING AT OUR COMPANY ALL DAY.
UM, AND, UH, AND WE ALSO NEED TO BE ABLE TO RUN UP FULL SCALE PROPELLERS AND SPIN EIGHT PROPS, THOSE PROPS THAT ARE, UH, LIFTING THE AIRCRAFT INTO THE AIR ABOUT THE SIZE OF A NORMAL GENERAL AVIATION PROPELLER.
IN FACT, WE'RE SUPPLIED BY NORMAL GENERAL AVIATION PROPELLER MANUFACTURERS.
UM, SO IT, IT'S, IT'S HARD TO FIND THAT, UH, IT REALLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT TO FIND THAT, UH, UH, AT THE AIRPORT TODAY.
AND SO WE KIND OF CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO BUILD IT IF WE WANT TO BE AT PETALUMA.
I I WOULD RATHER NOT, BUT, UH, IF WE CAN'T FIND ANYTHING, WE GOTTA BUILD IT.
UM, SO, UH, WE DISCUSSED A NUMBER OF CONCEPTS, UM, AND THE NEXT FEW SLIDES ARE GONNA BE A PRELIMINARY PROPOSAL THAT I WANNA RUN BY, UH, THE COMMITTEE HERE AND, AND, UH, GET FEEDBACK.
AND THAT'S WHY I'M HERE IS TO FIND OUT IF THIS SOUNDS GOOD.
UH, WE'RE TRYING TO STAGE IT IN A PHASED ROLLOUT, SO IT'S NOT A SHOCK TO ANYONE.
THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR FEEDBACK ALONG THE WAY.
SO, UH, WE WANT THIS TO BE AS SMOOTH AS POSSIBLE.
SO, UH, WHAT WE'RE CALLING PHASE ZERO IS RIGHT NOW, UH, THIS IS ONGOING.
WE ARE, MANY OF YOU MAY HAVE SEEN US.
WE HAVE A TEST STAND, UH, WHERE WE HAVE AN ELECTRIC MOTOR PROPULSION SYSTEM SPINNING A PROPELLER.
IT'S ACTUALLY MOUNTED ON A FORD F THREE 50 PICKUP TRUCK, UH, THAT WE BRING TO THE AIRPORT.
WE DRIVE IT THERE FROM OUR FACILITY, AND WE SPIN THE MOTOR UP AND WE MEASURE HOW MUCH THRUST THE, THE, UH, THE PROPELLER IS PULLING.
AND, UH, AND IF YOU'VE HEARD IT, IT SOUNDS EVEN QUIETER THAN A NORMAL PROPELLER BECAUSE IT, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY ENGINE NOISE, UH, REALLY TO SPEAK OF.
YOU STILL HEAR IT, IT STILL MAKES NOISE, BUT IT'S NOT, UH, CERTAINLY NO WORSE THAN ANY, UH, CESSNA, UM, PHASE ONE.
UH, WHICH OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT NINE MONTHS, WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA BE BUILDING OUR FIRST FULL SCALE PROTOTYPE.
SO PHASE ONE WILL BE, WE WANNA STAKE DOWN THAT FULL SCALE PROTOTYPE AND SPIN UP ALL EIGHT PROPELLERS AT THE SAME TIME.
AND THAT WILL MAKE MORE NOISE.
UH, THAT WILL, UM, BUT AGAIN, WE DON'T EXPECT IT TO BE WAY OUTSIDE THE BOUNDS OF WHAT'S ALREADY EXISTING AND WHAT'S ALREADY DONE AT THE AIRPORT.
UM, BUT THAT'S WHY WE'RE GONNA ROLL THIS OUT IN, IN A PHASED APPROACH IF WE DO THAT.
IF WE START DOING RUN-UPS AND PEOPLE START CALLING IN AND COMPLAINING AND THAT SORT OF THING, OKAY, WELL, MAYBE THIS ISN'T THE RIGHT PLACE FOR US.
BUT, UH, BUT THERE, THERE IS THAT, THAT POSSIBILITY.
SO WE WANT TO GO IN WITH OUR EYES OPEN.
UH, THAT PHASE ONE IS THAT SORT OF EVALUATION PERIOD WHERE WE'RE DOING SOME TESTS AND WHERE WE, WE WOULD, WE'VE IDENTIFIED A LOCATION THAT MIGHT BE WHERE WE WOULD SET UP OUR FACILITY IN THE LONG RUN ON THE GROUNDS.
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THAT WITH YOU, UH, IN, UH, THE NEXT FEW SLIDES, UH, WHERE WE WOULD GET THAT, HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO GET FEEDBACK, ASSUMING IT'S NOT A PROBLEM, THEN WE WOULD WANNA PROCEED WITH LEASING THAT SPACE AND COMMISSION A FORMAL PLAN AND BUILD OUT, UH, OF A FACILITY.UM, AND THEN PHASE THREE WOULD BE, WE WOULD BE OPERATING OUT OF THAT SPACE, AND THAT WOULD BE OUR PERMANENT HEADQUARTERS, UH, AT THE AIRPORT.
SO THIS IS THAT, UH, THE, THAT SPACE AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL.
AGAIN, THIS WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, NOTHING IS THERE PERMANENTLY.
WE WOULD JUST OCCASIONALLY DO SOME TESTS, MAYBE STAKE THE AIRCRAFT DOWN, UH, MAYBE, UH, SET THINGS UP, SPIN, SPIN UP OUR PROPELLERS, UH, MAKE SOME THRUST, UH, KICK UP SOME DUST PERHAPS.
UH, BUT WE WOULD DO IT, UH, AWAY FROM ANYBODY, ANYBODY, ANY OTHER AIRCRAFT, UH, ON THE GROUNDS.
UM, AND EVENTUALLY LEADING UP TO CONDUCTING A TETHERED BUNNY HOP.
SO WE'D TETHER THE GROUND, THE AIRCRAFT DOWN ON STAKES SO THAT IT CAN'T TIP OVER, ACTUALLY.
AND THEN, UH, AND WE DO THIS WITH OUR SUBSCALE AIRCRAFT AS WELL, AND THEN WE RUN IT UP AND WE JUST BRING IT UP INTO THE AIR AND THEN BRING IT RIGHT BACK DOWN.
AND WE DO THAT TO EVALUATE GROUND RESIDENT ISSUES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UM, AND, UH, BUT DURING THAT PHASE, THERE'S REALLY NO BUILD OUT, NO PERMANENT IMPACT ON THE AIRPORT REALLY AT ALL.
UH, WE PICK UP, PULL THE STAKES OUTTA THE GROUND, AND WE'RE GONE.
UM, AND WE FIND OUT IF THERE ARE COMPLAINTS AND WE FIND OUT IF WE HAVE A, A BIT NEGATIVE IMPACT, PHASE TWO, ASSUMING THAT THERE ARE NO COMPLAINTS, THEN WE WOULD WANNA LEASE THE LAND AND, UH, START CONSTRUCTION OF, OF THE FACILITY.
AND DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME, WE MIGHT PUT IN SOME TEMPORARY FACILITIES, BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE MY TEAM TO THE AIRPORT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
WE'RE GONNA BE DOING MORE AND MORE OF THE PACE OF TESTING.
WE'LL TEND TO PICK UP AS THE PROGRAM MATURES.
UM, AND, UH, FROM THAT POINT ON, WE'LL BE DOING, YOU KNOW, MORE ENGINE, ENGINE RUNOFFS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
BUT WE WOULD IDEALLY AT THAT POINT HAVE SOME TEMPORARY, UH, STU UH, FACILITIES ON THAT PIECE OF LAND.
AND THEN, UH, THE, THE PHASE THREE, THERE WOULD BE A PERMANENT BUILDING THERE, A PAVED RAMP, A PARKING LOT OUTSIDE, AND NOW YOU CAN SEE WHERE THAT IS.
IT'S, UH, OVER NEXT TO, UH, MANGAN, UH, AIRCRAFT.
UM, I, I SENT THE, SOME OF THOSE PRELIMINARY SLIDES TO DAN AND HE SENT BACK THIS, UH, JUST DOING A PRELIMINARY KIND OF ASSESSMENT.
AND THIS LOOKED LIKE WHAT WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO WORK WITH FROM A PRACTICAL PERSPECTIVE IN TERMS OF OFFSETS AND, UH, THE SETBACKS, UH, ET CETERA.
IT LOOKS FROM, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, LIKE THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM HERE TO, TO MAKE SOMETHING WORK FOR WHAT WE'RE, UH, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO SET UP.
SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S THE SUMMARY OVERVIEW.
AND I DID WANT TO JUST TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY IF WE HAVE THE, THE FORUM, UH, TO OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS AND SEE IF ANYBODY HAS ANY, UH, ANYTHING THEY'D LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT.
UM, CARL, UM,
UM, HOW DO YOU INTEGRATE THAT INTO THE TRAINING OF THE PILOT, THE MANAGEMENT OF THE AIRCRAFT TO SET DOWN THE, ALL THAT SORT OF THING? UM, IN, IN YOUR PLANNING? YEAH, SO NOT JUST VFR ONLY.
IT, IT'S A, IT WOULD BE A, A LIGHT SPORT AIRCRAFT.
UM, THE, I, I SHOULD HAVE EXPLAINED A LITTLE BIT MORE.
THIS WILL NOT BE OUR PRODUCTION FACILITY.
UH, THIS WILL BE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT AT HEADQUARTERS.
SO THE ACTUAL PRODUCTION DOES NEED MORE SPACE.
UH, THE PRODUCTION, LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE EVALUATING A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT POTENTIAL PRODUCTION LOCATIONS.
UM, THIS WOULD BE BASICALLY PURELY WHERE WE WOULD HAVE THE ENGINEERING TEAM THAT'S DEVELOPING THE NEXT GENERATION OF PRODUCTS AS TIME GOES ON AND MAKING IMPROVEMENTS AND, UH, THE FOR ACTUAL, SO, SO COMING BACK TO, I THINK, WHAT WAS THE, THE, THE, THE ESSENCE OF THE QUESTION JUST, UM, THE, THE SYSTEM ITSELF WILL HAVE LIMITATIONS ON WHEN IT CAN PROVIDE SERVICE.
SO IF YOU ARE IN A CONSTANTLY FOGGED IN AREA, YOU'RE RIGHT, YEAH.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA BE LIMITED IN TERMS OF YOUR ABILITY TO PROVIDE SERVICE DURING THOSE TIMES.
UM, MOST OF THE AREAS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED TO DO EARLY EXPLORATION, UM, ARE TEXAS, FLORIDA, UH, GEORGIA IS A BIG STATE.
UM, SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, SAN BERNARDINO COUNTY, FOR EXAMPLE, IS A
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FANTASTIC, UH, MORE, MORE LOCAL COUNTY.BUT WE HAVE SOME MOUS WITH, UH, IN PARTICULAR, THERE'S A COUNTY IN TEXAS, CALHOUN COUNTY THAT, UH, IS RIGHT ON THE GULF COAST.
THEY HAVE A NUMBER OF, UM, IT'S SORT OF LIKE THE OUTER BANKS IN THE NORTH CAROLINA.
THEY, THEY, THERE'S GEOGRAPHIC BARRIERS THAT MAKES FOR RESPONSE TIMES THAT SOMETIMES ARE 45 MINUTES OR AN HOUR.
AND SO IT'S, IT'S A VERY, IT'S A MUCH MORE HIGHLY PAINED FIRST RESPONSE SITUATION IN OTHER AREAS THAN IT IS OUT HERE.
UH, THIS IS NOT, THIS AREA IS LOCALLY, THIS IS WHERE WE LIVE, BUT IT'S NOT THE, THE WORST IN TERMS OF RURAL FIRST RESPONSE.
SO, UH, WE'LL MAKE A MUCH BIGGER DIFFERENCE ELSEWHERE IN THE, IN THE COUNTRY.
THAT SAID, WE ACTUALLY HAVE SPOKEN TO, UH, MARIN MS FOLKS, AND WE COULD POTENTIALLY HELP ON ABOUT 650 CALLS A YEAR IN THE, IN MARIN COUNTY.
UH, WE DON'T, WE HAVEN'T HAD THE SAME ENGAGEMENT ON, UH, IN SONOMA.
WE'LL BE LOOKING TO PICK THAT UP, UH, JUST TO SEE WHAT, WHAT SORT OF IMPACT WE MIGHT HAVE, UH, HERE.
UM, AND THIS IS FOR BOTH YOU AND DAN.
UM, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE NOISE AND COMPLAINTS, AND I WAS WONDERING WHY YOU DIDN'T CITE OVER CLOSER TO THE CUL-DE-SAC OFF OF ENTERPRISE.
IS IT BECAUSE OF, UH, COMMER THE NEED TO HAVE A COMMERCIAL ZONING? UH, WHICH, WHICH AREA IS THIS, YOU SAID NEXT TO ENTERPRISE? SO, SO YOU KNOW, THE ENTRANCE OVER OFF OF THE CUL-DE-SAC AT THE END OF ENTERPRISE, CLOSER TO THE END.
OH, EXECUTIVE EXECUTIVE DRIVE.
I'M SORRY, THAT'S WHAT I MEANT.
SO CLOSER TO THE END OF THE PROPERTY, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE YEAH.
IF YOU WERE TO CITE IT, UM, A FACING ENTERPRISE, SO YOU'D BE FURTHER AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL AREA MM-HMM
YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GET AS FAR AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL AREA AND ALSO SO IT WON'T BLOW DUST ONTO THE HANGERS OF THE TENANTS THAT ARE, BECAUSE NORMALLY THE CROSSWINDS OFTEN COME FROM MORE OF THE SOUTH.
SO JUST WONDERING IF YOU'D CONSIDERED THAT AND IF THERE WAS A RESTRICTION.
I MEAN THERE'S, THERE'S SEVERAL OTHER AREAS.
UM, JERO HAS USED, UM, THE FIELD NEXT TO PAPA, UM, FOR RUNUP TESTS.
AND SO THERE'S A COUPLE AREAS THAT COULD BE USED.
I THINK THE, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR JUMP ARROW, BUT UM, YEAH, LOOKING FOR THE BEST ACCESS TO EDGE OF ASPHALT
UM, SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE REMOTE, SO THAT BACK AREA IS HARDER TO GET TO.
YOU HAVE TO TRAVERSE THROUGH QUITE A BIT OF DIRT, UM, TO GET THERE.
SO THERE ISN'T ANY ACCESS POINTS GATES ON THAT SIDE TO, TO ACCESS IT WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH A BUNCH OF LIKE A FIELD.
UM, SO YES, THERE'S LOTS OF OTHER PLACES THAT ARE AVAILABLE SHOULD WE GET COMPLAINTS? UM, I WILL JUST SAY THAT THERE IS A LOT OF RUN-UPS THAT ARE DONE ON THIS SIDE OF THE FIELD, UH, WITH OUR MAINTENANCE CONTRACTORS.
AND WE DON'T GET ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT 'EM.
AND THESE ARE REALLY HIGH RPM RUN-UPS WITH RECIPROCATING AND JET PROP AIRCRAFT, SO I'M NOT TOO WORRIED, BUT, UM, LIKE CARL MENTIONED THAT IF WE DID GET COMPLAINTS, WE COULD ALWAYS MODIFY THE PLAN AS NEEDED.
I THINK MANGANS BEEN USING THE, UH, USUALLY FOR THEIR RUN-UPS, THEY USE THE HELICOPTER PADS.
EITHER THE, WITH THE COMPASS ROSES CURRENTLY THE RUNUP, THAT IS THE OFFICIAL RUNUP, BUT YES, SOMETIMES THERE ARE THE PADS, BUT THERE ISN'T ANY SOUND BARRIER BETWEEN THEIR AND THE RESIDENTS.
AND SURPRISINGLY, I MEAN, IT, IT'S LOUD FROM MY OFFICE.
HEAR I DON'T GET ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT RUN-UPS.
SO, WE'LL, WE'LL PLAY IT BY EAR, BUT YEAH, IT'S, YEAH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE MAINTAIN THE FLEXIBILITY THAT WE HAVE TO MM-HMM
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE OPEN TO THAT.
I WAS ALSO THINKING ABOUT CAN WE BEAM THAT, YOU KNOW, CAN WE PUT A BERM ALONG THERE, OR, YOU KNOW, JUST, UM, I THINK YOU'LL, THE, YOU MIGHT GET COMPLAINTS FROM THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.
I THINK TIME OF DAY IS, IS A BIG PART OF IT.
UH, WHEN PEOPLE ARE AT WORK, THERE'S LESS COMPLAINTS.
UM, SO THAT, THAT MIGHT BE PART OF IT TOO.
I, I CAN SAY THAT WE WORK NORMAL HOURS AT JUMP ARROW.
SO WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT DOING WORK AT, YOU KNOW, IN THE EVENING WHEN PEOPLE WOULD BE, BE AT HOME AND THAT SORT OF THING.
IN REGARDS, S KIND OF
WELL, UH, THE, THE, I I, HOPEFULLY THE BUILDING WON'T BE MOST OF THAT AREA THERE, THERE, I THINK WE WERE, WE WERE TRYING TO LEAVE A PRETTY GOOD AMOUNT OF RAMP.
WE, I, I WOULD ENVISION THAT WE WILL PROBABLY WANT LIKE, OFFICE SPACE FOR MAYBE 20 TO
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30 ENGINEERS, THAT SORT OF THING.UH, IT'S THAT KIND OF, AND PARKING OUTSIDE THE FENCE, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR TO THAT AND HANGER SPACE CONNECTED TO THE OFFICE SPACE SO THAT THE ENGINEERS CAN BE, YOU KNOW, DOING THE WHATEVER, UH, WORK THEY NEED TO DO, AND RIGHT OUT NEXT TO THE AIRCRAFT TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE.
UM, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IT'S NOT GONNA BE AS REGULAR, THE RUN-UPS THAT WE WOULD DO AS THE MAINTENANCE, THE, THE FBOS THAT DO MAINTENANCE, BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING IT ALL THE TIME.
OUR BUSINESS IS DEVELOPING NEW PRODUCTS.
SO WHEN WE NEED TO DO IT, WE NEED TO DO IT, BUT WE DON'T NEED TO DO IT THAT REGULARLY BECAUSE USUALLY WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WORKING ON A COMPUTER DOING, YOU KNOW, DESIGNING THE THING.
AND IT TAKES A LOT LONGER TO DESIGN IT THAN TO DO A RUNUP.
SOON ONCE YOU HAVE A BUILDING THERE, YOU HAVE TO ALSO A NOISE BLOCK.
THAT, THAT WE DID TRY TO MAKE THAT BUILDING SO THAT IT WOULD SORT OF SHIELD IT SO THAT THIS PHASE ONE WOULD BASICALLY BE A WORST CASE SCENARIO WHEN THERE'S NOTHING BLOCKING IT AND IT'S CLOSE.
SO THAT, LIKE WE, WE WERE LIKE, WELL, WE'RE PUSHING IT KIND OF INTENTIONALLY UP FRONT BECAUSE WE DON'T, IF THERE'S GONNA BE A PROBLEM, WE WANNA FIND OUT ABOUT IT BEFORE WE'VE MADE ANY COMMITMENTS, BEFORE ANYBODY MAKES ANY COMMITMENTS.
I'M WONDERING IF THE HELI HELICOPTER PADS MIGHT ALSO WORK FOR YOU, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A DOWN WASH, YOU KNOW, I ASSUME WHEN YOU'RE DOING YOUR TESTING.
UH, SO THE, THE AIR, THE GROSS WEIGHT OF THE AIRCRAFT IS ABOUT 3000 POUNDS, 3,100 POUNDS.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE 3,100 POUNDS OF DOWN WASH.
UH, YOU KNOW, UH, PLUS, UH, BECAUSE IT CAN ACTUALLY ACCELERATE QUITE, QUITE QUICKLY OFF THE PATH.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT A, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A, UM, SO FOR OPERATIONS, ABSOLUTELY, UH, FOR RUN-UPS, WE DO NEED TO BE ABLE TO STAKE IT DOWN MM-HMM
I DIDN'T WANNA COME TO DAN AND SAY, HEY, DAN, CAN I DRILL A BUNCH OF HOLES IN YOUR VERY NICE PAD? RIGHT.
WHEREAS PUTTING STAKES, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THOSE NICE STAKES THAT YOU CAN PUT IN AND THEN YOU PULL 'EM OUT AND NOBODY KNOWS THAT THEY WERE THERE.
IT'S BASICALLY AS CLOSE TO ZERO IMPACT AS WE COULD POSSIBLY HAVE.
AND JUST, YOU KNOW, FOR THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE HANGERS, YOU KNOW, TO THE NORTH OF YOU THERE, I'D BE CONCERNED ABOUT FA YOU KNOW, AS THEY TAXI OUT TO THE RUNWAY, YOU KNOW, JUST, I'M SURE YOU'VE THOUGHT OF ALL THAT
I MEAN, AND IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WE'RE, WE'RE SENSITIVE TO.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO FOR OUR SUBSCALE AIRCRAFT IS THAT WE ACTUALLY LAY DOWN, THERE'S A, UH, PARTICULAR TYPE OF, UH, UM, IT'S NOT AN IMPERMEABLE TARP.
IT'S, UH, LIKE ONE OF THOSE SAND BLANKETS OH, UHHUH THAT HAS LITTLE HOLES ALL THROUGH IT.
IT'S, AND IT'S UHHUH SORT OF LIKE A, A FLEXIBLE SCREEN.
AND IT, IT, IT SIGNIFICANTLY ALLEVIATES THE ISSUE OF, OF FOD AND DUST AND VERY GOOD THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE, THAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING ON THE SUBSCALE THAT WE WOULD JUST DO, UH, FULL SCALE AS WELL.
I JUST DIDN'T WANNA INTERRUPT ANYBODY.
THE FFA, DAN OWNS THE LAND, BUT THE CITY RUNS THE AIRPORT, SO, SO SLIGHT MISUNDERSTANDING.
SO LEGALLY THE CITY OWNS ALL THE LAND.
SOME OF THE LAND THAT WAS PURCHASED WITH FEDERAL DOLLARS, THAT HAS, UH, SPECIAL RESTRICTIONS ON IT THAT REQUIRE FA, UM, FAA APPROVAL.
UM, BUT, BUT IT IS ALL CITY LAND.
AND THEN FOR THE CITY, FOR LIKE ANY, ANYBODY COMING IN OR EVEN A DEVELOPER, WE HAVE TO HAVE ALL THE FINANCIALS AS FAR AS THE HANGAR DEVELOPMENT.
AS FAR AS THE LAND USE, UM, AS LONG AS IT COMPLIES WITH THE LAST, UM, APPROVED AIRPORT LAYOUT AND, AND, UM, CURRENT PLAN, NO CHANGES ARE NEEDED.
WHEN WE START TO BUILD BUILDINGS, THAT'S WHEN WE HAVE TO GET, UM, FA APPROVAL.
AND MOSTLY THOSE APPROVALS HAVE TO DO WITH, UM, OBSTRUCTIONS.
SO HOW TALL IS THIS, UH, BUILDING IN REGARDS TO THE, UM, THE AIRSPACE.
AND THEN, UM, ALSO THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THAT BUILDING AND SAY A TAXIWAY CENTER LINE TO MAKE SURE THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM FOR WING TIP CLEARANCES, UH, IN CERTAIN DESIGN GROUPS.
SO THOSE ARE THE TWO MAIN CONCERNS.
PRETTY MINOR, UH, OVERALL FOR THAT KIND OF APPROVAL.
AND AS LONG AS IT'S GENERAL AVIATION USE, ESPECIALLY HANGAR DEVELOPMENT, UM, DEFINITELY, UM, NOT A LOT OF, UH, UH, PUSHBACK ON THOSE SORT OF PROJECTS FROM THE FAA.
DO WE HAVE A AIRPORT MASTER PLAN? WE DO.
IT, IT IS, IT IS OLD, BUT IT, UM, WE'VE HAD IT EVALUATED, UH, WITHIN THE LAST TWO YEARS, AND IT'S STILL, UH, FAIRLY CURRENT AS FAR AS ITS
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CONTENT.UM, MY OTHER QUESTION IS, OF COURSE, ABOUT THE SOUND TRAVELS.
WE KNOW THAT WHEN THE SPEEDWAY IS OPERATING AT THE FAIRGROUNDS, PEOPLE ON THE WEST SIDE COMPLAIN ABOUT IT LIKE IT WAS IN THEIR BACKYARD.
SO THE NEIGHBORS MIGHT NOT HEAR IT THAT ARE IN THAT PARKLAND, UM, STREET NEXT DOOR TO THE AIRPORT, BUT MAYBE ANOTHER NEIGHBOR ON, MAYBE INTERNAL CREEK MIGHT HEAR IT BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE SOUND TRAVELS AND THEN MOVES.
AND PETALUMA, WE KNOW THAT IT SEEMS TO BOUNCE, OR MAYBE THE GOLFERS OR WHATEVER, BECAUSE IT'S DAYTIME AND THEY'RE TRYING TO PUT A TEA IN WHAT, I DON'T KNOW, GOLF TERMS. BUT ANYWAY, THAT IS THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT WITH COMPLAINTS, IS NOT SO MUCH AS THE NEIGHBORS IS MAYBE INTERRUPTING A GOLFER WHO MIGHT THINK IT'S INTERRUPTING HIS GAME.
WELL, HE DOESN'T GET A HOLE IN ONE BECAUSE OF IT.
AND, AND THAT'S PART OF WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT, ROLLING IT OUT IN THIS PHASED APPROACH WHERE WE, NOBODY, NOBODY HAS REAL COMMITMENTS TO ANYTHING OKAY.
IT'S, WE, WE JUST WITH YOUR BLESSING, WOULD TRY IT OUT FOR A LITTLE WHILE.
AND IF, AND IF IT GOES WELL, THEN, THEN WE ALL FEEL GOOD AND WE ALL CAN MOVE AHEAD WITH SOME CONFIDENCE THAT WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA BE UPSETTING ANYONE.
BECAUSE I KNOW THOSE NEIGHBORS, THEY'RE IN THE FLIGHT PLAN, SO THEY, THEY HAD TO SIGN, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN'T REALLY COMPLAIN ABOUT NOISE FROM THE AIRPORT BECAUSE THEY KNEW THEY WERE YEAH.
BUT IT'S THE, MAYBE THE GOLFERS WHO AREN'T, I DON'T KNOW.
I'M JUST THINKING AHEAD AND SOUND TRAVELS.
AND, AND I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY WHY WE WANT TO TRY IT.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT PROACTIVE APPROACH.
UM, IN TODAY'S 7.0 EARTHQUAKE THAT WAS OFF OF THE COAST OF CALIFORNIA.
I MEAN, IT COULD HAVE BEEN MUCH WORSE.
IT COULD HAVE BEEN IN FERNDALE.
AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD BE GOING, I MEAN, YOU CAN ONLY PICK UP ONE PATIENT AT A TIME.
TO, TO BE CLEAR, ACTUALLY, WE DON'T TRANSPORT THE PATIENTS.
UH, THE JOB OF OUR, WELL, IT'S REALLY OUR CUSTOMERS, LIKE FA THAT THEIR JOB IS TO ACTUALLY GET THERE TO STABILIZE THE PATIENT.
SO THEIR JOB IS GET THERE AND, YOU KNOW, RESTORE OXYGEN TO THE BRAIN, STOP THE BLEEDING, UH, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A DRUG OVERDOSE, ADMINISTER NARCAN, THAT THOSE SORTS OF REALLY TIME CRITICAL THINGS THAT BY TIME GOTCHA.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S SORT OF THE JOB OF OUR CUSTOMERS.
AND THAT'S WHY THEY WOULD BUY THIS AIRCRAFT IS THAT WITH THIS AIRCRAFT, YOU'RE GONNA IMPROVE PATIENT OUTCOMES IN RURAL AREAS BY BUYING THEM LOTS OF TIME.
UM, BY ADDRESSING THOSE TRULY TIME CRITICAL ISSUES VERY, AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
SO WE ARE NOT REPLACING WHAT'S CALLED A HELICOPTER AIR AMBULANCE, WHICH YOU MIGHT SEE THE REACH HELICOPTER OCCASIONALLY GOING IN.
THIS IS ACTUALLY DIFFERENT IN, ITS COMPLIMENTARY.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT ISN'T REALLY DONE TODAY WITH AN AIRCRAFT, BECAUSE A TRADITIONAL AIRCRAFT, LIKE A HELICOPTER AMBULANCE TAKES THREE TO FIVE MINUTES TO SCHOOL UP AND GET OFF THE GROUND.
AND ONE OF THE NICE THINGS ABOUT AN ALL ELECTRIC AIRCRAFT IS THAT, UM, YOU CAN HAVE A VERY ABBREVIATED PRE-FLIGHT STARTUP SEQUENCE, BECAUSE YOU DON'T NEED TO WARM ANYTHING UP.
UM, AND I'LL GET TECH, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT WORKS.
ANYBODY WANTS TO TALK TECHNIC TECHNICAL ABOUT IT.
IT, I'M HAPPY TO LATER UNDERSTAND.
WELL, I UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
'CAUSE I WAS LIKE, HOW ARE THEY GONNA MOVE A, YOU KNOW, A PATIENT? YEAH.
AND THE ANSWER IS WE'RE NOT, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF SPACE
I'M LIKE, YEAH, NO, ABSOLUTELY.
OKAY, WELL, THANKS FOR THAT EXPLANATION, BECAUSE ABSOLUTELY.
YEAH, I, I TRIED TO PIECE TOGETHER THE PRESENTATION TODAY FROM A FEW DIFFERENT SOURCES, SO I QUITE SURE WHAT, AND YOU'RE CLOSE TO IT.
SO I, AS A NEWBIE, I HAD THAT AND NOT KNOWING THE LOGISTICS.
SO THAT WAS JUST MY QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS.
BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH AND GOOD LUCK.
ONE, COULD YOU USE SORT OF A TED, IS THERE ENOUGH SUPPLIES ON BOARD WHERE THEY CAN SUPPORT MORE THAN ONE THAT'S GONNA BE, SO YEAH, WE, WE'VE, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
IN FACT, ONE OF OUR, ONE OF OUR COMPANY ADVISORS, UM, WA WAS AN ADVISOR ON, UH, THE CREATION OF RESPONSE POLICIES FOR MASS CASUALTY EVENTS.
AND, UH, IN THOSE SCENARIOS, USUALLY THE ISSUE IS ACTUALLY STOPPING THE BLEED MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
AND THAT REQUIRES TOURNIQUETS.
AND SO HE, HIS POINT WAS, YEAH, TOURNIQUETS DON'T WEIGH THAT MUCH.
YOU COULD ACTUALLY PUT A VERY LARGE QUANTITY OF TOURNIQUETS WITH
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ONE EMT OR A PARAMEDIC OR WHOEVER, GET THOSE TO THE SCENE OF A MASS CASUALTY EVENT AND JUST TRY TO STOP THE BLEED.AND AGAIN, THAT, THAT'S VERY MUCH THE MISSION OF THIS VEHICLE IS LIKE, GET IN, GET TO WHERE IT'S HARD TO GET TO AND BUY TIME.
AND IF YOU HAVE TIME, YOU KNOW, MORE AMBULANCES CAN SHOW UP MORE, YOU KNOW, POLICE, FIRE, WHATEVER THAT, UH, BUT THESE GUYS WILL BE THE FIRST BOOTS ON THE GROUND IN A LOT OF THESE VERY HARD TO REACH AREAS.
AND SO THAT, THAT'S THEIR JOB IS BUY TIME.
AND THEN THE FOLLOW UP QUESTION IS, HAVE YOU, HOW, HOW IT'S LIKE, YEAH, MULTIPLE ENGINEERS, ENGINEERS,
WE HAVE NOT DONE A FORMAL ECONOMIC IMPACT STUDY.
UH, I WILL SAY WE CURRENTLY EMPLOY EIGHT PEOPLE IN THE OFFICE, UH, IN, AT INDUSTRIAL AVENUE, UH, AND THEN A FEW OTHER PEOPLE AROUND THE COUNTRY AND AROUND THE WORLD ACTUALLY.
UM, I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT THAT EIGHT WOULD GROW, YOU KNOW, TO SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 20 TO 30 IN THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE BEING FORESEEABLE, FUTURE BEING, UM, WE'LL CALL IT THREE, FOUR YEARS.
UH, AND, UH, I MEAN, IT, IT, IT, A LOT DEPENDS ON, ON SOME, SOME BALLS THAT WE HAVE IN THE AIR RIGHT NOW.
SO, UH, SO, BUT THAT IS VERY MUCH PART OF THE VISION THAT, UM, THAT THIS WOULD BE THE, BECOME THE R AND D CENTER IN HEADQUARTERS OF THE COMPANY, UH, THE COMPANY, YOU KNOW, WE ANTICIPATE A DEMAND FOR THIS PRODUCT THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH, UH, THE PRODUCTION RATES OF POPULAR GENERAL AVIATION AIRCRAFT.
SO HUNDREDS OF UNITS PER YEAR.
UM, AND AGAIN, THE MANUFACTURING PIECE OF IT PROBABLY WON'T HAPPEN LOCALLY HERE, BUT, UH, THE, THE, UM, BUT THE R AND D AND SUPPORT AND PRODUCT LINE, THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT PRODUCT LINE WOULD HAPPEN RIGHT HERE.
AND YES, THOSE ARE NOT MINIMUM WAGE JOBS.
THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE, WE NEED VERY SPECIALIZED SKILLS FOR, FOR THOSE FOLKS.
OTHER QUESTIONS? JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU.
I HAD MY MICRO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.
UM, I GUESS THE, THE, THE QUESTION, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE APPROPRIATE OR IS THIS DAN, SOMETHING THAT YOU'D WANTED US TO, TO DISCUSS AMONGST THE COMMISSIONERS OR TO PUT ON AS AN AGENDA ITEM AS, UH, UH, FOR THE NEXT MEETING THAT WE WOULD VOTE TO SUPPORT? OR YE YEAH, I GUESS, UM, JUST MAYBE JUST ANY FEEDBACK INITIALLY AND THEN WE CAN FOLLOW UP WITH MORE DISCUSSION LATER.
IT COULD JUST BE A KIND OF A COMMISSIONER COMMENT THING.
UM, AT, AT THIS POINT, UH, THERE IS NOTHING THAT RISES TO THE LEVEL OF A, OF A LEASE OR ANY SORT OF BUSINESS, UH, THINGS AT THIS POINT.
UM, WE'RE PROVIDING AREAS FOR TESTING AT NO COST.
THIS IS A CURRENT TENANT, UM, JUST AS WE DO WITH OTHER TENANTS,
UM, AT WHICH POINT THIS BECAME MORE FORMAL IN A, IN AN AREA THAT WAS DEDICATED TO THIS COMPANY, THAT'S WHEN WE'D BE LOOKING FOR A LEASE.
UM, I'D HAVE TO PULL UP THE NUMBERS OF WHAT THE, THE ESTIMATES ARE BASED ON WHAT THE OTHER, UH, LEASEHOLD PAYERS ARE PAYING.
BUT, UM, I THINK IT WAS IN THE AREA OF 3000 A MONTH, SOMEWHERE IN THERE, ROUGHLY.
I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE EXACT, BUT FOR THE ENTIRE AREA.
SO OBVIOUSLY THE JUMP AREA DOESN'T WANT TO PAY FOR THAT RIGHT NOW IF THEY DON'T HAVE UTILIZATION OF IT.
SO, UM, YEAH, IT, WE'RE, WE'RE IN DISCUSSIONS, ONGOING DISCUSSIONS ON WHAT, WHAT ARE POSSIBILITIES MOVING FORWARD.
I GUESS MY, MY GUESS, MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE BEEN CLEAR WHAT WASN'T THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH WHAT'S PROPOSED NOW AS THE TEMPORARY, IS THERE ANYTHING WE AS THE COMMISSION NEED TO, OTHER THAN THIS DISCUSSION, SO THAT IF, UH, AN AGREEMENT, I, I WOULD SUPPOSE THAT, THAT THEY CAN START THEIR INITIAL WORK? OR IS THERE SOMETHING, UH, TOM YEAH.
UM, WHEN WE GET TO THE NEXT ITEM OR THE HANGAR FEASIBILITY STUDY, I'VE GOT SOME COMMENTS THAT WILL PROBABLY, UM, BUILD ON WHAT CARL HAS PRESENTED AND PUT THAT IN CONTEXT BASED ON WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THAT.
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WE GET TO THAT, SO TO YOUR QUESTION, THAT NO OFFICIAL, YOU KNOW, APPROVAL DENIAL AT THIS POINT RIGHT NOW, WE'RE JUST DOING, BUT AT CERTAIN POINT, UM, THIS WILL OBVIOUSLY, THE, THE PROPOSAL FOR THE LEASE WILL COME UP, UM, IN PHASE TWO, I THINK IT WAS.AND THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE WHEN DECISIONS START TO NEED TO BE MADE.
UM, IF THERE ARE MAYBE ADDITIONAL NEEDS IN THE FUTURE, THEY'LL, UH, JIM BERRO CAN BRING THOSE TO THE, THE AIRPORT COMMISSION.
BUT FOR NOW, IT'S, IT'S MORE JUST DAY-TO-DAY KIND OF, UH, USE A TEMPORARY USE OF LAND.
UM, AND I, I WOULD JUST SAY IF THERE'S ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, EITHER THIS MEETING OR THE NEXT, OR FUTURE MEETINGS, UM, YOU KNOW, FEEL FREE TO TO, TO BRING THOSE FORWARD CONCERNS OR COMMENTS OR WHATNOT.
WELL, UH, I, I'LL ASK, I'LL PUT IT OUT TO ANY OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS IF THEY HAVE ANY COMMENTS.
UH, JEFF, JOHN, UH, COMMISSIONER DOMIC.
WE, WE HAD A LITTLE BACKGROUND NOISE.
UM, HIS WIFE AND I CAN'T UNMUTE HIM.
UM, MYSELF, SORRY, JEFF, I'M TRYING TO UNMUTE YOU.
YEAH, THE CONTROLS ARE A LITTLE FAR AWAY.
UM, MY ONLY, UH, COMMENT WOULD BE JUST AS FAR AS THE AREA, UH, TO, UH, SEE IF, UH, MANGAN AIRCRAFT HAS ANY ISSUE, ANY POTENTIAL ISSUES WITH, UH, DUST OR THINGS BLOWING IN THE HANGERS SINCE THEY'RE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THAT.
AND, UH, MORE OR LESS DOWNWIND.
UM, YOU KNOW, I GET IT, IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A PERMANENT THING, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.
I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT ANY IMPROVEMENTS TO, UH, THE DIRT THAT'S THERE AT CERTAIN TIMES OF THE YEAR THAT THERE MAY BE SOME DUST AND DEBRIS AND FOG ISSUES.
SO, UM, THAT'S THE ONLY COMMENT THAT I HAVE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT.
WELL, I THINK WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE ON WITH, UH, GET BACK ON TRACK WITH OUR AGENDA.
AND I THINK THAT, AS TOM JUST MENTIONED, WE ARE NOW BACK TO OUR COMMITTEE COMMENT, AND I THINK, TOM, YOU'RE UP WITH THE, UH, FE HANGAR FEASIBILITY STUDY.
UM, WE HAD A, UM, VERY, UH, VERY GOOD MEETING, UM, COMMISSIONER SASSER, MYSELF AND MANAGER DAN WITH, UH, TWO REPRESENTATIVES FROM MEAD HUNT, UM, FEW WEEKS BACK, UM, CORBETT SMITH AND MATT.
UM, AND BASICALLY WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WAS THIS GENERAL AREA, WHAT DO WE DO? AND ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES IS, UM, DETERMINING WHERE ARE WE NOW? WHAT IS THE SITUATION? WHAT'S THE DEMAND? WHAT DO THE FINANCES LOOK LIKE? UH, BEFORE WE START LAYING OUT ANY SPECIFIC, YOU KNOW, HANGERS, TAXI WAYS, ANY OF THAT, WE REALLY NEED TO FIND OUT WHERE WE ARE, UH, GIVEN THE FACT THAT OUR HANGAR WAITING LIST IS NOT ANYWHERE NEAR WHAT IT USED TO BE.
UM, AND YET, UH, AIRPORTS IN THE, IN THE GENERAL AREA, UM, SOME ARE BUILDING, SOME ARE NOT.
UM, SOME HAVE LARGE VACANCIES, SOME NOT SO MUCH.
THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO IS PUT A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY OUT THERE, BUILD A WHOLE LOT OF HANGERS, AND HAVE 'EM SIT EMPTY THAT NO, DON'T WANNA DO THAT.
UM, SO ONE OF THE AREAS WE SHARED WITH, UH, THE REPRESENTATIVES FOR MEAT HUNT, UH, INCLUDED THIS PARTICULAR AREA THAT CARL WAS REFERRING TO AND AS SIMILAR TO THE, UH, MANGAN, UH, AIRCRAFT SERVICES, UH, FACILITY.
UM, THEY LEASED THE GROUND AND THEN BUILT THE STRUCTURE THEMSELVES.
UM, IN THE CASE OF THE LAST HANGAR DEVELOPMENT, THE AIRPORT FUNDED THE HANGERS.
GOING FORWARD, A MIX BETWEEN COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND AIRPORT OWNED HANGERS FOR LEASE MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE ASKED MEAT HUNT TO DO SOME, UH, INVESTIGATING AND, AND SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME ANALYSIS.
UH, SO WHEN JUMP ARROW GETS TO THE POINT OF BEING SERIOUS ABOUT WANTING TO DEFINE A LEASEHOLD AREA, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD WORK THROUGH DAN THE CITY AND ALL OF THAT, AGAIN, DEPENDING ON HOW THAT INTEGRATES INTO THE ENTIRE OVERALL PLAN.
UM, AND IN TERMS OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, WE LOOKED AT THAT VERY CLOSELY IN THE LAST HANGAR EXPANSION NOISE AND ALL THE REST.
AND AFTER ALL OF THE DATA WAS ANALYSIS WAS ANALYZED, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THERE WAS NO IMPACT ON THE ORIGINAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDY THAT WAS DONE FOR THE AIRPORT DEVELOPMENT.
AND ALL OF THIS AREA, UH, IS INCLUDED IN THE ORIGINAL AIRPORT MASTER PLAN, WHICH INCLUDES A COMBINATION OF COMMERCIAL
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DEVELOPMENT, WHICH JUMP WOULD BE IN THIS AREA, AND PRIVATE HANGAR STORAGE.AND AS I RECALL, THE CURRENT, UM, ZONING FOR THIS AREA IS THROUGH THAT TAXIWAY, A LITTLE HARD TO SEE HERE, BUT FROM HERE DOWN TO ABOUT HERE IS ALREADY ZONED AVIATION COMMERCIAL, WHICH ALLOWS PRIVATE STORAGE FOR AIRPORT OWNED HANGERS, ET CETERA.
JUST AS THIS IS, THIS IS AVIATION COMMERCIAL ALSO, BUT MOST ALL OF IT IS PRIVATE AIRCRAFT STORAGE.
SO THERE'D BE NO ZONING CHANGE REQUIRED IF JUMP ARROW WERE TO TAKE THAT SPOT.
THIS AREA, AS I RECALL, WAS PRIVATE AIRCRAFT STORAGE ONLY NON-COMMERCIAL.
SO IF WE WANTED TO DEVELOP SOMETHING OVER THERE, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT.
AND THAT MIGHT REQUIRE REZONING OR SOMETHING.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD, WOULD ENTAIL OR WHAT IT WOULD DO TO A POTENTIAL PROJECT MOVING FORWARD.
UM, AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID WITH THE, UM, WITH THE CITY WAS TO HELP THEM UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN WE GO THROUGH A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS, THESE ARE LIKE BIG GARAGES THAT HOLD AIRPLANES,
AND SO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THAT WOULD BE EMPLOYEES.
IT'S NOT A HUGE NUMBER, BUT IT'S PERFECTLY WITHIN THE CONSTRAINTS OF THE ORIGINAL, UM, AIRPORT MASTER PLAN AND BUILD OUT.
SO, UH, GOING FORWARD, UH, WE ASKED THE MEAT HUNT FOLKS TO COME BACK TO US IN A BIT, LIKE, WAS IT JANUARY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? WE ASKED FOR THEM TO GIVE US SOME PRELIMINARY, I BELIEVE SO, YEAH.
AND, AND BASICALLY WE'RE LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVES AND SOME, UM, ANALYSIS ON THE, UH, ON THE DEMAND SIDE OF THIS.
AGAIN, WE DON'T WANT TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT 'EM SIT EMPTY.
UH, SO, UH, WE'VE ALSO HAD, OR, UM, UH, MANAGER DAN HAS RECEIVED A FAIR NUMBER OF REQUESTS OR INQUIRIES FROM PEOPLE WITH LARGER AIRCRAFT WHO WOULD LIKE TO BASE HERE AT ILLUMINA.
UH, STANDARD T HANGERS WAY TOO SMALL FOR THEM.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT 50 FOOT OR WIDER HANGERS AS WE HAVE A FEW OVER IN THIS AREA OPPOSITE, UH, THE MANGAN UH, FACILITY.
UM, AND WE DON'T HAVE VERY MANY, BUT THAT SEEMS TO BE THE TREND.
I SAW AN ARTICLE IN, UH, IN A OPA NEWS BRIEF JUST THE OTHER DAY THAT SAID THAT AIRCRAFT PRODUCTION AND SALES IN THAT RANGE OF AIRCRAFT IS UP 20% FROM IT WAS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
AND SO THAT GOES RIGHT LINE WITH WHAT, UH, THE INQUIRIES HAVE BEEN THAT DAN'S BEEN RECEIVING ABOUT, HEY, YOU GOT A 60 FOOT HANGER AVAILABLE.
AND THE ANSWER IS WHAT? SO, UM, AND ALSO THERE'S AN INTEREST IN THE CITY.
WHEN BARRY AND I DID OUR OUTREACH TO, UH, SENIOR CITY STAFF OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, WE GOT SOME POSITIVE, UH, FEEDBACK FROM, UH, THE POLICE AND, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT YEAH, THEY NEED A SPACE TO STORE SOME STUFF AND THEIR EMERGENCY RESPONSE GEAR.
'CAUSE ON THIS SIDE OF TOWN, THERE'S NOT MUCH SPEAKING OF RESPONSE TIME.
AND IF IN FACT, A, UH, PRIVATE SMALL JET OWNER WOULD LIKE THAT SPACE, THEY WERE FULLY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO MOVE OUT AND ALLOW THE AIRCRAFT TO TAKE THAT SPACE TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE FAA REGULATIONS FOR AIRPORT MANAGEMENT AND OPERATIONS.
SO IT SEEMS THAT EVERYBODY'S ON BOARD WITH THIS.
AND SO WHEN WE GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM MEAD HUNT, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, DO NANCY, AND I'LL DO SOME ANALYSIS ALONG WITH DAN AND, UH, SEE WHAT OUR NEXT STEPS MIGHT BE.
BUT INTEGRATING SOMETHING LIKE JUMP ARROW INTO THAT MIGHT BE, UH, A GREAT MIX.
UM, BECAUSE IT'S COMMERCIAL, IT'S OWNED FOR THAT, IT'S PERFECTLY APPROPRIATE FOR WHAT HE WANTS TO DO.
AND AS I SAID PRIOR, THE, UM, THE NOISE IMPACTS FROM ALL THAT OTHER DEVELOPMENT WE'VE DONE, IT WAS NOT NOTICEABLE OR MEASURABLE.
UH, AND IN THIS CASE, SINCE THERE ARE NO FUEL POWERED ENGINES RUNNING, THERE ARE ELECTRICS, THEY DON'T TEND TO MAKE MUCH NOISE.
OKAY? THE PROPELLERS WILL MAKE A BUNCH OF SWISHES
SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID LAST TIME WAS WE INVITED THE NEIGHBORS ALONG, UM, THE SIDES OF THE AIRPORT PROPERTY, UH, BASICALLY TO AN OPEN HOUSE TO SHARE WITH THEM THE PLANS GOING FORWARD, WHAT ARE YOUR CONCERNS, WHATEVER.
UH, AND ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THE ORIGINAL, UM, AIRPORT
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COMMITTEE DID, THANK YOU, BARRY, AND SOME OF THE ORIGINAL FOLKS ON THAT TEAM WAS TO INCLUDE IN A CLOSING DOCUMENT STACK THAT A HOMEOWNER WOULD HAVE TO SIGN IS AN NAVIGATION EASEMENT, MEANING THEY ACKNOWLEDGE THERE'S AN AIRPORT WITHIN THE CONFINES CLOSE TO THEIR HOME, WHICH INCLUDES THE FACT THAT THERE MIGHT BE NOISE 24 7, ET CETERA, AND THEY CAN'T CLOSE ON THE PROPERTY UNTIL THEY SIGN THAT NAVIGATION EASEMENT.SO THAT GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN TOWARDS PAST, UM, THE ADOBE CREEK AREA INTO THAT.
SO ALL OF THOSE HOMEOWNERS WITHIN, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE DISTANCE WAS FROM LIKE THE CENTER LINE OF THE RUNWAY OUT, BUT IT'S NOT INSIGNIFICANT.
AND SO THESE PEOPLE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT, AND IT WAS DONE INTENTIONALLY SO THAT PEOPLE WOULDN'T COME BACK AFTER THE FACT AND SAY, NOBODY TOLD ME AN AIRPORT WAS HERE.
SO IT'S LIKE, WHAT REALLY? SO ANYWAY, UH, THAT'S IN PLACE TOO.
SO I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY PRETTY WELL COVERED IN THAT REGARD.
SO WE'RE WAITING TO SEE WHAT MEAT HUNT COMES UP WITH AND SOME OF THE ALTERNATIVES.
AND THEN JUMP ARROW WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH LAYING DOWN A SPECIFIC FOR A LEASE THAT CAN BE MANAGED AND DEVELOPED, UM, INPUT FROM US AND MANAGER DAN, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THROUGH THE CITY HIERARCHY.
BUT, UH, WE'VE DONE IT BEFORE AND THE LAND JUST SITTING THERE GROWING WEEDS.
SO IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE SOMETHING OF VALUE THAT WOULD ADD A FINANCIAL, COMMERCIAL IMPACT POSITIVELY ON THE AIRPORT.
YOU KNOW, THAT MANY EMPLOYEES ON THE AIRPORT ADDS A LOT OF ECONOMIC IMPACT OF THE VALUE OF THE AIRPORT TO THE CITY IN TERMS OF EMPLOYMENT TAXES, OTHER, UM, INDIRECT FINANCIAL IMPACT AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE STUDIES ON BEFORE.
THE LEASE, THE REVENUE RISK THAT COMES IN FROM THE LAND LEASE OH, ABSOLUTELY.
INTO SUPPORTING THE AIRPORT AS WOW.
DID I MISS ANYTHING, NANCY? NO.
UH, ANYONE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? JEFF, I'M LOOKING AT YOU.
UM, THE LAST ITEM ON THE ITEM FIVE IS THE PACKET PROVIDED BY LIAISON AD HOC SUBCOMMITTEE.
JUST TO, UH, CLARIFY, UM, UH, COMMISSIONER MCGAW MENTIONED, UH, THESE DOCUMENTS IN THE LAST MEETING, BUT, UM, JUST FOR, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC CONSUMPTION, WE THOUGHT HE WAS INTERESTED IN GETTING THESE OUT TO THE PUBLIC, SO WE DID PUBLISH 'EM IN THE AGENDA.
SO THEY'RE AVAILABLE NOW PUBLICLY.
THERE WASN'T ANY, UM, PARTICULAR PRESENTATION OR, OR ANYTHING ON THIS UNLESS, UH, UM, COMMISSIONER RAGGA YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT IT, BUT THESE WERE THE DOCUMENTS THAT WERE MENTIONED LAST TIME WE WANTED TO JUST, YEAH, THERE WERE, THERE ARE THREE DOCUMENTS AND, UH, WE DEVELOPED THESE A FEW YEARS AGO, AND EVERY TIME A NEW, UH, COUNCIL LIAISON REPRESENTATIVE COMES ON BOARD, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE DID THESE FOR.
UH, TO GIVE THEM AN, A SENSE OF WHAT IS THE AIRPORT COMMISSION? WHAT IS OUR ROLES RESPONSIBILITIES, WHAT ARE RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE CITY TO MANAGE THE AIRPORT, AND WHAT IS THEIR ROLE AS A COMMISSIONER? AND THEN, UH, THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF THE AIRPORT ON THE COMMUNITY.
AND SO THAT'S NEAR THE BACK OF THE, UH, STACK HERE.
ONE OF THEM IS THE GRANT ASSURANCE NOTES TO COUNCIL LIAISON.
THAT GIVES THEM A SENSE OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU DO WITH AIRPORT REVENUE? HOW DO YOU DO LAND USE AND, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT KIND OF THING.
UM, THEN THE OTHER ONE, UH, I TOOK RIGHT OUT OF THE AIRPORT COMPLIANCE MANUAL ON, UM, PERMITTED AND PROHIBITED USES OF AIRPORT REVENUE, BECAUSE IN THE PAST THAT HAS BEEN KIND OF A QUESTION.
SO AGAIN, WE SHARE THAT WITH THEM.
UM, AND THEN HOW DO YOU SET RATES AND CHARGES AND, UM, WHAT IS THE GOVERNING REGULATIONS THAT THE FAA HAS FOR SETTING THOSE, SINCE THEIR CHARTER IS TO SUPPORT AND DEVELOP AIR AVIATION AND AVIATION INFRASTRUCTURE AND TO SUPPORT ONGOING BUSINESSES? WELL, YOU DON'T DO THAT BY SOMEBODY, UH, CHARGING EXORBITANT FEES AND DRIVING OTHER PEOPLE OUT OF BUSINESS.
YOU DON'T DO THAT BY ALLOWING SOMEBODY TO COME THROUGH THE AIRPORT GATE AND, UH, CHARGE, YOU KNOW, GET, GET, GET NO FEES.
THEY HAVE TO PAY AT ALL TO DO MAINTENANCE ON AN AIRCRAFT, WHICH THEN SUBVERTS ANY MAINTENANCE FACILITIES ALREADY BASED WITH THEIR INVESTMENT ON THE FIELD.
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THAT, HENCE RULES AND REGULATIONS.AND THEN THE LAST THING WE DID WAS, UM, AND I'VE UPDATED THIS A NUMBER OF TIMES OVER THE LAST, YOU KNOW, THREE OR FOUR CENTURIES, UM, THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF THE, UH, AIRPORT ON THE COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF JOBS CREATED, TAX REVENUE, INDIRECT AND DIRECT EXPENDITURES THAT SUPPORT OTHER CITY, UH, OPERATIONS BUSINESSES, YOU KNOW, RENTAL CARS, HOTELS, ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF.
UM, AND I DID IT THE LAST TIME, BUT, UH, THE TWO NINE DINER HAD NOT REOPENED AT THAT POINT.
SO, UM, GIVEN ALL OF THE CURRENT EMPLOYEES, UM, AND REVENUE GENERATED AT THE AIRPORT, WHEN YOU ADD BACK IN THE TWO NINE DINER, THAT'S PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.
SO, UH, IT WOULD BOUNCE UP, UH, WHAT WE ESTIMATED HERE, PROBABLY ANOTHER SIX, $8 MILLION, UH, IMPACT OF THE CITY.
SO, UH, THAT'S WHAT WE SHARE WITH THE, UH, STAFF, THE SENIOR STAFF FOLKS THAT BARRY AND I SPOKE WITH.
UH, LAST ITEM UNDER COMMITTEE COMMENT IS COMMISSIONER COMMENT.
DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY COMMENTS? YEAH, IT'S NICE TO SEE BARRY HERE.
WE CAN'T COMMENT ON BARRY 'CAUSE HE'S NOT A COMMISSIONER.
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THE FINAL ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE STAFF COMMENT, WHICH IS, UH, UH, THE AIRPORT MANAGER, DAN COHEN, HIS MANAGER REPORT.SO DAN, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO YOU.
I'LL TRY TO BE AS BRIEF AS I CAN HERE.
UM, JUST WANNA SAY APOLOGIES FOR THE LAST, UH, FINANCIAL REPORT.
IT WAS, ALL THE NUMBERS WERE ALL WRONG.
SO I, I SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THIS, UM, KIND OF WRANGLED, UM, SOME OF OUR REPORTS THAT COME OUT OF OUR FINANCIAL SYSTEM.
WE HAD SOME, SOME, UH, DEPRECIATION NUMBERS THAT WE HAD TO KIND OF TAKE OUT AND PUT HANGER LOAN PAYMENTS IN.
AND ANYWAY, SO, UM, THIS IS THE WRAP UP OF LAST FISCAL YEAR.
UM, IF YOU REALLY WORK IT ALL OUT, UM, THE OPERATIONAL WAS VERY BALANCED.
UH, IF YOU LOOK ABOUT ABOUT 2.1 MILLION, 2.18 MILLION, UM, IN REVENUE, WE HAD, UM, UH, 2.06, UH, MILLION IN EXPENDITURES THAT WERE MORE OPERATIONAL.
THE TOTAL BUDGET, UM, WAS, WAS, UM, A BIT OVER.
UH, SOME OF THOSE WERE, UM, SOME, SOME HANGAR, UM, REPAIR COSTS NOT YET RECOVERED.
SOME OF THAT IS DESIGN COSTS NOT YET RECOVERED FOR SOME OF OUR PROJECTS.
BUT, UM, OVERALL VERY BALANCED BUDGET.
UM, KIND OF GLAD THAT THAT ALL LEVELED OUT PRETTY WELL OVER THE, THE FISCAL YEAR.
UM, THE, THE ACTUAL ENDING BALANCE, UH, ON AS OF JULY 1ST, UH, WAS ABOUT 1.13 MILLION.
SO IT'S, LIKE I SAID, SOME OF THAT, UM, IS NOT THE ACTUAL BALANCE OF WHERE WE ARE.
IF YOU ACCOUNT FOR ALL OF THE PAYMENTS THAT WE HAVEN'T, WE'VE ALREADY MADE AND HAVEN'T BEEN REIMBURSED FOR, FOR SOME OF OUR FELLOW GRANTS.
SO THAT'S JUST WHERE WE WERE AT AT THAT MOMENT.
UM, SOME OF THESE ARE STILL FLOATING OUT THERE.
WE HAVE ABOUT AT LEAST A HUNDRED THOUSAND OR SO, UM, OR MORE THAT IS, UM, THAT WILL BE REIMBURSED.
WE HAVE TWO, $200, UH, $200,000, UM, DESIGN PROJECTS THAT ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, IN, IN MOTION RIGHT NOW.
SO THOSE TOGETHER, THAT'S ABOUT $400,000 THAT WE HAVEN'T SPENT COMPLETELY YET, BUT WE'VE SPENT ABOUT HALF OF IT AND WE'VE ALREADY, UH, UH, GOT SOME OF IT BACK.
AND THEN ONCE THESE PROJECTS ARE DONE, WE WILL GET THE REST BACK.
SO ANYWAY, JUST, UH, IT'S NOT THAT, DON'T FREAK OUT AT THAT NUMBER.
WE STILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT, UM, THAT IT JUST HAS BEEN REIMBURSED BACK TO US.
BUT, UM, BUT OVERALL, UM, UH, AND WE'LL LOOK AT THE FIVE YEAR, THAT'S THE ONE THING I JUST WANNA SHOW YOU TONIGHT WAS THE FIVE YEAR KINDA SHOW WHERE WE ARE, WHERE WE'RE GOING, AND SOME OF THE, UM, PROJECTIONS AS FAR AS THE FISCAL YEAR, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UM, BIT EARLY.
UH, WE'RE ONLY REPORTING TO THE END OF, IN THIS CASE, IT'S, IT SAYS, UH, SEPTEMBER.
IT'S PROBABLY MORE SOMEWHERE LIKE OCTOBER, I BELIEVE.
WE, UM, WE JUST MADE OUR, UH, SECOND TO LAST HANGAR LOAN PAYMENT.
SO YOU'LL SEE THAT, UM, NOTED HERE.
THAT'S WHAT WE WERE SHOWN, THE $936,000 EX, UH, EXPENDED, UM, WITH ONLY 688 IN REVENUE.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT INCLUDES THAT, UM, $510,000 PAYMENT THAT INCLUDES THE INTEREST AS WELL.
WE'VE GOT ONE MORE AFTER THIS ONE.
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THEN, UM, UH, UH, MR. MAG, UH, UH, 2004 HANGAR PROJECT WILL BE, UM, COMPLETELY PAID OFF.UM, I JUST WANNA JUMP INTO THE, UM, FIVE YEAR FORECAST WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS.
SO WE'VE GOT TWO SCENARIOS HERE.
I HAVE TWO DIFFERENT SHEETS THAT WERE SHARED.
UM, BUT THIS FIRST SCENARIO IS WITH, UM, GO BACK UP HERE, A FULL FA, A FUNDING FOR ALL THE PROJECTS WE ASKED FOR.
SO IF, UM, YOU WERE CALLED BACK, AND I'LL JUST SLIP OVER TO THE ONE MORE PAGE HERE.
WHEN WE WENT TO THE FAA AND SHOWED THEM WHAT WE WERE DOING, UM, THEY WERE, UM, NOT OPTIMISTIC ABOUT FULL FUNDING FOR THE TAXIWAY ALPHA AND TAXI LANE BRAVO PROJECTS.
UM, THEIR NUMBERS ARE ALL BASED ON NUMBERS THAT WERE GENERATED YEARS AND YEARS AGO WHEN WE WERE DOING OUR BEST TO ESTIMATE COSTS.
AND SO THEY'VE TOLD US THAT WE, UM, HAVE A GOOD CHANCE OF GETTING, UM, THE BASE BID PORTIONS OF THESE, UM, PROJECTS.
THOSE ARE SOUND LIKE THEY ARE FULLY FUNDED.
UM, WE HAVEN'T GOT FINAL PERMISSION OR FINAL APPROVAL, BUT THEY'RE SAYING THAT THOSE, THOSE MONIES ARE AVAILABLE FOR THOSE.
IT'S THE SECOND PART THAT WE HAD TO BREAK IT INTO THAT THOSE, THOSE FUNDS ARE PROBABLY NOT GONNA BE AVAILABLE, BUT WE'RE STILL GONNA ASK.
WE'RE ALWAYS, WE WILL ALWAYS ASK, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR THE MAX.
AND, UM, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE TRYING TO ADDRESS THESE, UM, THESE, THESE TAXIWAY TAXI LANES, UM, AS THEY NEED TO BE.
SO IF WE CAN'T DO THE WHOLE THING, WE'LL DO HALF AND THEN WE WILL, WE'LL ASK AGAIN FOR THE OTHER HALF.
SO ANYWAY, JUST TO, JUST TO PUT THAT IN PERSPECTIVE.
SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR FIVE-YEAR FORECAST, THIS FIRST SHEET IS PRETTY MUCH WE GET EVERYTHING WE ASK FOR.
SO THAT'S THE, THOSE RED BOXES, THAT'S THE 400 OR FOUR, UH, MILLION OR LITTLE 4 MILLION THAT WE'RE GETTING IN FI, FEDERAL LITTLE BIT IN THE STATE.
UM, SO KIND OF BEST CASE SCENARIO, UM, THOSE ARE BIG PROJECTS.
AND THEN, AND IF YOU CAN LOOK DOWN AT THE SECOND RED BOX HERE, WHERE THE 258,000, THAT WOULD BE OUR CONTRIBUTION.
SO WITH THAT BIG COMMITMENT FROM THE FAA, WE ALSO HAVE A BIG COMMITMENT.
WELL, YOU ALSO SEE BELOW THAT, UM, IT TAKES OUR BALANCE DOWN TO ABOUT HALF A MILLION DOLLARS, WHICH IS, IS PROBABLY THE LOWEST IT'S EVER BEEN FOR A LONG, LONG TIME, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT ALARMING, EXCEPT THE FACT THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THAT BIG DARK BAND THROUGH, THAT'S THE HANGAR PAYMENTS THAT WE WON'T BE MAKING, UM, FROM HERE ON OUT UNTIL WE DO ANOTHER PROJECT.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE THAT, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ENDING FUND BALANCE, IT STARTS TO JUMP UP IN THOSE YEARS, 2, 3, 4.
AND THEN WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NEARING, YOU KNOW, 1.8 MILLION OR SO IN THEORY BY THE END OF THE FIFTH YEAR.
UM, IF THE MORE REALISTIC IS THE, THE SECOND ONE, THE SECOND SPREADSHEET, THE MINIMUM FA FUNDING FOR FISCAL YEAR 26, THAT'S NEXT FISCAL YEAR, IT'S LOOKING MUCH MORE CONSERVATIVE.
UM, FROM THE FA WITH THAT TWO 2.1 MILLION CONTRIBUTION, OUR CONTRIBUTION'S ONLY 131,000.
AND SO WE'RE STILL LEFT WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, NEARLY SIX, A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, 650,000, UM, IN RESERVE, WHICH IS MUCH, MUCH CLOSER TO WHERE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE.
UM, JUST FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE FINANCE LIKES US TO BE IS, UM, UH, 25% OF EXPENDITURES.
SO SAY WE HAVE A $2 MILLION BUDGET, 25% OF THAT WOULD BE THE 500,000 PLUS 300,000 WOULD BE 800,000.
SO 800,000 IS KIND OF THE TARGET BALANCE THAT WE SORT OF WANNA GET BACK TO.
UM, THAT WAS AN OLD, UH, RULE THAT WE'VE BEEN JUST CONTINUE TO USE.
I HAVEN'T CHECKED IN IF THAT'S STILL WHAT FINANCE DOES, BUT THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL, UM, SORT OF GOAL THAT FINANCE HAS AS FAR AS KEEPING RESERVES.
SO WITH THOSE RESERVES BUILDING UP, AS YOU CAN SEE, IF THIS MORE CONSERVATIVE, MORE REALISTIC, PROBABLY, UM, WITH THE FA FUNDING, WE'RE LOOKING AT CLOSE TO $2 MILLION BY THE END OF YEAR, UH, YEAR FIVE AND FISCAL YEAR, UH, 30.
SO, UM, YEAH, I JUST WANNA KINDA GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF, OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE WITH SOME OF THE SPENDING.
AND JUST TO ADD SOME MORE COMMENTS IN THE, UM, UH, IN THE, IN THE, UH, UH, VEHICLE AND EQUIPMENT PURCHASES, THAT PURPLE BAND, YOU SEE A COUPLE, A COUPLE PURCHASES THERE.
UM, WE WERE LOOKING FOR, UM, ACTUALLY RIGHT ABOVE THAT, YEAH, IN THE ORANGE, UH, 250,000 WAS THE KIND OF AN ESTIMATE WHERE SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR, A VEHICLE, UM, A REPLACEMENT TRACTOR MOWER, UM, PROBABLY A SKID STEER, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S A PRETTY, UM, BIGGER NUMBER THAT WE MAY ACTUALLY NEED, BUT THAT'S JUST, WE WON'T PUT THAT NUMBER OUT THERE AS
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PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, CLOSE TO WHAT, UM, WE NEED TO ACCOMPLISH THOSE THREE THINGS, THE VEHICLES AND THE REPLACEMENT GATE, THE ADDITIONAL 70,000 IN FISCAL YEAR 27 RIGHT AFTER THAT IN ORANGE, THAT WAS, UM, THOUGHT THAT IF WE NEEDED TO REPLACE ANOTHER VEHICLE, SINCE OUR VEHICLES ARE, UM, EXCEEDING NOW 20 YEARS, UM, WE'D WANT TO, UM, LEAVE THAT IN THERE FOR POSSIBLE REPLACEMENT FOR A SECOND VEHICLE.AND THEN, UM, EVERYTHING ELSE PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, OUR CIP CONTRIBUTIONS FROM OPERATING FUND VERSUS GRANTS THAT KIND OF LAYS THAT OUT.
UM, IT'S, IT'S A LOT, IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION, BUT I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF GET, GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
IF, IF WE DON'T, UM, YOU KNOW, LOOKING FORWARD, UM, WITH LESS FAA FUNDING OVERALL FOR SOME OF THESE PROJECTS.
YOU KNOW, WE MAY BE ON KINDA ON THE HOOK FOR SOME OF IT OUR OWN, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT RED BOX TO THE RIGHT, THAT $474,000, THAT WAS JUST A NUMBER WE THREW IN, UM, AS A POSSIBLE RAMP, UM, RESEALING PROJECT THAT WASN'T FA FUNDED.
SO ORIGINALLY WE HAD ABOUT A MILLION DOLLAR RAMP RESEAL PROJECT, UM, THE NORTH RAMP COAT, I FORGET THE EXACT TITLE, DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE'RE GONNA GET FUNNY FOR THAT.
I THINK WE LEFT IT ON, WE MAY HAVE LEFT IT ON THE, THE OUR, UM, ACIP, UH, WITH FAA, BUT THE CHANCES OF US GETTING THAT IT SOUNDS SLIM.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE, RIGHT NOW WE'RE WORKING WITH OUR, UM, THE PUBLIC WORKS CREWS OR THE, UM, ENGINEER FOLKS THAT DO THE ROADS.
AND WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO WORK OUT A, UH, A SLURRY SEAL PROJECT THAT COINCIDES WITH THEIR ANNUAL SLURRY SEAL, AS LONG AS THOSE, THE SEAL MEETS A STANDARD THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN WORK WITH.
UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE LOOKING INTO IS A MUCH REDUCED COST, BECAUSE TYPICALLY IF IT'S FA SPEC AND FA GUIDED PROJECT, IT'S ALWAYS GONNA COST MORE.
WE COULD DO IT FOR LESS, I DON'T KNOW, ABOUT HALF LESS, BUT WE, THAT WE JUST WANNA KIND OF THROW OUT A NUMBER THERE THAT COULD GET US TOWARDS SEALING AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP, UH, SEVERAL TIMES, UM, AS NEEDING TO BE SEALED.
AND, UM, SINCE THERE ISN'T FEDERAL FUNDING, THAT MIGHT HAVE TO BE OUT OF POCKET.
SO, UM, ALONG WITH THAT, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ON HERE YET, BUT WE ALSO HAVE ANOTHER, UH, $259,000 OF EARMARKED, UH, BIL THAT MIGHT BE COMING THROUGH THAT WASN'T REALLY SPOKEN FOR, WHICH COULD BE ROPED INTO SOME SORT OF A HANGAR DESIGN PROJECT IN MAYBE YEARS THREE, FOUR.
DON'T KNOW, SOMEWHERE IN THERE, ONCE WE GET MORE FEEDBACK FROM HANGAR FEASIBILITY, WE COULD USE SOME FEDERAL FUNDS THAT ARE THERE.
THEY'RE AVAILABLE EARMARKED, UM, ENTITLEMENTS THAT ARE GONNA USE IT OR LOSE IT TO MAYBE GET INTO SOME DESIGN WORK TO GET THAT ON, ON THE BOOKS.
SO IN CASE THERE WAS MONEY THAT CAME THROUGH, WE WOULD BE SHOVEL READY FOR AT LEAST CERTAIN PHASES OR PORTIONS OF THAT.
SO ANYWAY, UM, SO I GUESS PART OF, PART OF THIS, YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO SHOW IS THAT, UM, I KNOW THERE WERE THOUGHTS AND CONCERNS WITH OUR, UM, OPERATING FUND BEING GETTING TOO LARGE WITH THIS INFLUX OF MONEY THAT WAS NOT, UM, EARMARKED FOR LOAN ANYMORE.
UH, WE WILL USE THESE, THESE FUNDS, THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS COMING UP, UM, AND, AND THIS IS JUST AN AN ESTIMATE.
IT'S GONNA CHANGE, IT'S GONNA CHANGE BASED ON NEED.
IT'S GOING TO CHANGE, CHANGE BASED ON COST.
UM, BUT JUST WANNA KINDA GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHERE WE'RE AT AND, UM, AND THAT, YOU KNOW, IN THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS, WE MAY BE DIPPING A BIT LOWER ON OUR, OUR OPERATING FUND, BUT THAT WOULD ONLY BE TO DO WORK THAT IS KIND OF A EITHER USE IT OR LOSE IT OR, OR, UM, AN OPPORTUNE TIME TO TAKE CARE OF SOME OF THE, UM, YOU KNOW, WORST PAVEMENT ISSUES WE HAVE.
UM, UH, BUT ANYWAY, JUST THAT, THAT'S, I HOPE THAT'S HELPFUL.
UH, AND THIS WILL CHANGE OVER TIME, BUT JUST KIND OF GET IDEA WHERE WE ARE AND IF THERE'S SUGGESTIONS OR THINGS THAT, UM, THE COMMISSION THINKS NEED TO HAPPEN, WE CAN ALWAYS MOVE THOSE THINGS AROUND.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF OUR BEST GUESS AT THE MOMENT.
AND THE NUMBERS ARE PRETTY CLOSE TO WHERE, YOU KNOW, BASED ON OUR ASIP NUMBERS OR OTHER, UM, INTERNAL CIP, UH, PROJECT NUMBERS.
BUT, UM, ANYWAY, WE JUST WANNA GIVE THAT OUT TO YOU SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE WE ARE AND WHERE THAT MONEY IS BEING PUT TO WORK.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? SURE, GO AHEAD.
UH, I HAVE A, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
FIRST OF ALL, UM, CLEARLY A LOT WENT INTO THIS.
UM, FIRST QUESTION, AND I REALIZE SORT OF PERCENTAGE WISE OF THE BUDGET, MAYBE THIS DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THAT LARGE OF AN ITEM, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS, LOOKING AT THE PERSONNEL EXPENSES, THE SALARIES AND BENEFITS, UH, HISTORICALLY THOSE HAVE INCREASED BETWEEN 10 AND ALMOST 25% YEAR OVER YEAR.
UM, GOING FORWARD, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE GOT IT SET AT THREE, WHICH IS PRETTY
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CLOSE TO THE CURRENT COLA, BUT HOW, I MEAN,YES, I THINK THAT IS A GREAT, A GREAT QUESTION.
UM, SO THE, THE SALARIES AND BENEFITS, UM, FOR THE MOST PART, THE, THE FOLKS THAT YOU SEE IN THESE MEETINGS AND ON IN THE AIRFIELD, UM, DO NOT CHANGE A WHOLE LOT.
UM, LIKE I MENTIONED WITH COLAS AND, UM, AND DIFFERENT, UH, UNION CON CONTRACTIONAL AGREEMENT CHANGES, THOSE TEND TO BE IN THE THREE TO 5%.
WHERE WE SEE THE MOST MOVEMENT IS THE INTERDEPARTMENTAL CHARGES.
SO IF YOU GO ONTO THE, THE EXPENDITURE SHEET, YOU'LL SEE 'EM THERE.
I THINK THERE ARE THREE OF THEM NOW.
THERE USED TO BE FOUR, I THINK THERE'S THREE.
UM, THOSE HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP, UH, RECENTLY AND KEEP GETTING BROUGHT UP BECAUSE WE DON'T GET TO SEE HOW THOSE BREAKDOWNS WORK.
THEY TEND, THEY ARE DONE BY A CONSULTANT FOR THE CITY.
AND SO IT IS AN ONGOING CONVERSATION ON, ARE WE, YOU KNOW, WE DEFINITELY, WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO PAY OUR WAY IF, IF THE, THE AIRPORT NEEDS TO PAY OUR PERCENTAGE OF SERVICES BEING USED.
BUT TO YOUR POINT, IF YOU LOOK HISTORICALLY, THEY'RE NOT GOING UP WITH WITH, WITH COST OF LIVING, UM, AT LEAST THE LOCAL CPI NOW, THERE WAS A BIG JUMP, UM, BETWEEN 21 AND 23, UH, WITH THE CITY IN GENERAL.
I THINK THAT MAKES UP A LOT OF IT.
IT IS SOMETHING, AND YOU CAN SEE AT THE DEPART, THE, UM, INTERGOVERNMENTAL CHARGES.
THAT'S THE ONE THAT REALLY JUMPS, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT IT.
UM, BUT YES, THE SALARIES AND BENEFITS, SOME OF THAT IS CHARGED.
UM, CERTAIN CLASSIFICATIONS GET CHARGED THE AIRPORT, VERY LITTLE OF A, BUT DIFFERENT PIECES.
SO EVERY YEAR WE LOOK THROUGH AND GO, ARE THESE ACT, ARE THESE PERCENTAGES ACTUALLY ACCURATE? AND JUST TO ADD TO THAT, WE KNOW SOME OF OUR ADMIN SUPPORT IS BEING USED FOR OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND WE'D ALWAYS BEEN A HUNDRED PERCENT FUNDED BY MARINA AND AIRPORT FOR ADMIN AND MYSELF, THAT'S GONNA CHANGE A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE SINCE THEY'RE BEING USED FOR OTHER THINGS, THEY'RE, THEIR ALLOCATIONS WILL CHANGE.
SO, UM, ALL I CAN SAY IS I WILL TR I AM GONNA DO MY BEST TO SORT OF SLOW THAT RATE.
UM, AND IT IS, UH, IT IS ONE OF MY BIGGEST FINANCIAL, UM, PLANNING CONCERNS IS JUST THAT THE, THE LACK OF CONTROL WE HAVE OVER THOSE AND THEN JUST MAKING SURE THAT THEY ARE ACCURATE.
UM, THERE IT IS DEFINITELY A, A HIGH PRIORITY.
YEAH, NO, I, I APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, AND I, I MIGHT JUST AS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER FOR THE PART THAT YOU DO HAVE SOME, WELL, I GUESS THE CITY, THE CITY SETS THE PAY SCALES AND, AND NEGOTIATES THE BENEFITS AND ALL OF THAT, RIGHT? SO THAT'S NOT EVEN WITHIN, WITHIN THE AIRPORTS CONTROL, THAT'S ALL SEPARATE.
YEAH, WE DON'T GET ANY INPUT ON IT.
BUT, UH, UM, BUT IT'S, AS I UNDERSTAND, IT'S DONE WITH THE CONSULTANT AND EVERY YEAR, I THINK IT IS DONE ANNUALLY.
SO AS WE GET INTO OUR NOW 20, FISCAL 26 BUDGET, UM, THE PUBLIC WORKS TEAM IS GOING TO BE INTERFACING TO SAY, YOU KNOW, COULD WE GET A LOOK? 'CAUSE THERE ARE SOME OTHER BUDGETS THAT ARE EVEN HAVE MORE ISSUES WITH THIS, AND WE'D LIKE TO LOOK AT THOSE.
YEAH, I JUST, THAT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT OF AN AREA OF CONCERN WITH ME.
I KNOW IT'S NOT DOLLAR AMOUNT HUGE COMPARED TO SOME OF THE OTHER LINE ITEMS, BUT 3% SEEMS A LITTLE LOW, TO BE HONEST.
SO, UM, JUST
UM, SO THEN MY, MY NEXT QUESTION, UM, I THINK THAT THE TARGET RESERVE WITH THE 25% OF EXPENDITURES PLUS $300,000, I, I THINK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A RATIONAL THING TO, TO COMPARE AGAINST.
UM, I WAS WONDERING, ARE THERE, UM, THIS ISN'T THE RIGHT WORD, BUT LIKE LEGAL LIMITS ON THAT? LIKE, ARE THERE EITHER FROM AN FA, A PERSPECTIVE OR DOES THE CITY SET, LIKE, IS THERE, IS THERE A FLOOR THAT WE HAVE TO STAY ABOVE? AND, AND, AND THE CONTEXT IN WHICH THAT QUESTION'S COMING IS FOR, FOR SCHOOLS, FOR SCHOOL DISTRICTS, UM, THE, THE COUNTY OFFICE OF EDUCATION IMPOSES A MINIMUM RESERVE THAT IF YOU FALL BELOW THAT, THEY STEP IN AND START TAKING THINGS OVER.
SO I WAS JUST, IS THERE A, I MEAN, THIS IS A GREAT TARGET, BUT IS THERE SOMETHING THAT'S EVEN LOWER THAN THAT THAT'S LIKE THE ACTUAL FLOOR THAT WE HAVE TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT? OR IS IT, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD QUESTION.
USUALLY I THINK IF THE RESERVE GETS TOO LOW, THEN CERTAIN REQUESTS THAT COME THROUGH THE ANNUAL BUDGET WILL BE, UM, EITHER DENIED OR DELAYED TO ANOTHER FISCAL YEAR.
THAT'S TYPICALLY THE, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT, BUT I, TO YOUR POINT, I THINK THERE IS, THERE IS A NUMBER THAT MAKES THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT, UM, PAUSE AND SAY, WE WE'RE GONNA HOLD THIS
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BECAUSE OF RESERVE.UM, WITH THAT, SOME OF THESE, SOME OF THE MONEY THAT WE ARE USING IS IN ESSENTIALLY IS ALMOST LIKE AN IMPOUND ACCOUNT, RIGHT? WHERE IT'S, WE'RE JUST BORROWING IT SO THAT WE CAN USE IT, BUT WE'RE GONNA GET IT RIGHT BACK BECAUSE THESE, SOME OF THESE ARE FEDERAL.
SO I DON'T KNOW ALL THOSE, THOSE PIECES, BUT, UM, BUT TO YOUR POINT, THERE IS A LOWER LIMIT OF WHAT THEY WOULD WANT US TO DRAW DOWN.
AND THERE WAS CONCERNS BACK WHEN WE WERE AT 1.7, 1.8 MILLION, THAT WE DID HAVE TOO MUCH AND WE NEEDED TO, THAT THERE WERE COMMENTS ABOUT, YOU NEED TO PUT THIS MONEY TO WORK, UM, OTHERWISE WE'RE GONNA HAVE ISSUES.
OBVIOUSLY IT'S BAD ON BOTH EXTREMES.
UM, BUT YEAH, IT WAS JUST INTERESTING TO KNOW IF THERE IS, YOU KNOW, LIKE THAT, THAT YEAR ONE, UM, YOU KNOW, BEING THAT FAR BELOW THE TARGET, I MEAN FROM A DOLLARS ON THE PAGE PERSPECTIVE, THAT DOESN'T SEEM ALARMING.
BUT IF THERE WAS A DIFFERENT PERCENTAGE THAT WE WERE HELD TO, THAT MIGHT BE WORTH JUST DOUBLE CHECKING.
NOW, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I DON'T, BUT I DO KNOW THAT THE, UM, BUDGET GOES TO THE CITY COUNCIL IN THE SPRING FUND AND THIS WILL BE INCLUDED.
I DIDN'T HAVE MY MIC ON, BUT IT WILL COME TO THE COUNCIL IN THE SPRING.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS? ALRIGHT.
UM, WE, WE HAD AN AIRPORT SAFETY MEETING.
I, I DON'T KNOW IF, UM, ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS MIGHT BE ABLE TO TALK THAT TO THAT, IT MAY BEEN IN THEIR MEETING, BUT REALLY ENCOURAGING THE GROUP OF FOLKS THAT GOT TOGETHER, UM, IN NOVEMBER 14TH TO, OR OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, NOVEMBER 14TH, RIGHT.
IN NOVEMBER, YEAH, NOVEMBER 14TH.
UM, JUST A GREAT CONVERSATION ABOUT SAFETY, UH, VERY ENCOURAGING, VERY BUILDING, UH, RELATIONSHIPS.
UM, YEAH, WAS JUST REALLY GREAT.
SO WE, WE WERE KIND OF PROUD OF THAT AND IT DID NOT HAPPEN FROM THE STAFF INTERNALLY.
THIS WAS ALL PILOTS AND, AND LOCAL FOLKS.
UM, NOT A LOT OF UPDATES FOR YOU.
UM, HANGAR REPAIR, I JUST GOT AN UPDATE FROM THE DESIGN ENGINEERS.
THEY THINK THEY CAN HAVE DRAFT BID DOCUMENTS NEXT WEEK, UM, TO US.
SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, LIKE CHECKS THE NAIL
BUT WE, UM, WE ARE GETTING VERY CLOSE.
THEY, THEY HAVE ALL OF OUR, UM, STANDARD DOCUMENTS AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE USING THOSE AS TEMPLATES TO, TO MAKE ALL THOSE BID DOCUMENTS.
SO WE ARE GETTING VERY, VERY CLOSE.
YEAH, I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY, UM, OH, JUST, UH, WE DID PUT A TEMPORARY PORTA POTTY IN BY, UH, ROW NINE, UM, ON A SIX MONTH TRIAL TO, TO HELP SUPPORT THAT END OF THE AIRPORT, THE SOUTHEAST END OF THE AIRPORT, POP ALL THE OTHER GROUPS, UM, FOLKS THAT ARE OUT THERE.
UM, WE'RE KIND OF JUST TRYING TO GAUGE HOW MUCH NEED THERE IS TO SEE KIND OF WHAT THE NEXT STEPS ARE.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, PROJECTS OR OPERATIONS OR ANYTHING ELSE I MISSED? NO, THANK YOU.
OH, I DID WANNA PUBLICLY THANK DAN FOR POSTING THE EMERGENCY NUMBERS ON EACH OF THE HANGAR DOORS.
WE, WE'VE, UH, A COUPLE OF HANGERS WE COULDN'T GET THE STICKERS ON 'CAUSE WE COULDN'T OPEN THE DOORS, PEOPLE HAD THEIR UNLOCKED.
SO WE'RE WORKING ON GETTING STICKERS ON EVERY SINGLE CITY OWNED HANGAR.
UM, AT LEAST DEFINITELY THE T HANGERS, WE'LL, WE'RE TRYING TO WORK ON MAYBE EVEN THE EXECUTIVE.
BUT, UM, YEAH, JUST WANTED TO PLACE TO WHERE PEOPLE CAN GET ALL THE NUMBERS AND BASED ON THE FEEDBACK WE GOT FROM THE SURVEY.
UM, IS THAT WELL ALL DONE? ALL RIGHT, WELL, WITH THAT, THE, UH, LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ADJOURNMENT.
SO IT IS NOW 7 57 AND I WILL ADJOURN THE MEETING.