* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] 2024. [CALL TO ORDER] CAN WE PLEASE TAKE ROLL CALL. ANN BAKER. PRESENT. AMY LEY. PRESENT. ANN EDM ADMINSTER. HERE. DAN AMP. DAVID GARDY. PRAV KRISHNA. HERE. BEN PETERS HERE. AND HANNAH TORRES HERE. OH. AND JOHN TRIPS. IT'S ABSENT. THANK YOU. UM, [GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT] SO NOW WE'RE GONNA OPEN IT UP FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON ITEMS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THAT ARE WITHIN THE COMMISSION'S SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION, AND THAT ARE NOT LISTED ON THE CURRENT AGENDA. PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED UP TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON. DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF PERSONS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION. TIME WILL BE ALLOCATED IN EQUAL SHARES TOTALING NO MORE THAN 20 MINUTES SUBJECT TO THE COUNCIL'S DISCRETION. UM, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? THANK YOU. JESSE BRADMAN. HELLO, THERE. NOT THREE MINUTES OR LESS THAN THREE MINUTES. HELLO? GOOD. IT WORKS. UM, MY NAME IS JESSE BRADMAN. I SUBMITTED ORAL COMMENTS TO THE CAC AND THE CITY COUNCIL IN SEPTEMBER, 2024 WITH RESPECT TO ZERO WASTE. UM, AND SPECIFICALLY HOW SINGLE USE PLASTIC IS TOXIC TO THE ENVIRONMENT AND BAD FOR OUR HEALTH. UM, OVER THE LAST THREE MONTHS, I'VE RESEARCHED NUMEROUS ORGANIZATIONS AND GOVERNMENTS AGENCIES, ZERO WASTE OBJECTIVE POLICIES AND ORDINANCES AND LIAISED WITH VARIOUS ZERO WASTE EXPERTS WITHIN CALIFORNIA AND THE USA. I THINK THERE'S WONDERFUL ROOM FOR THE CITY TO IMPROVE ITS SUSTAINABILITY MESSAGE TO THE COMMUNITY, AND I'M GLAD TO HELP ON A VOLUNTEER BASIS IF, IF I CAN BE OF HELP. UM, WE KNOW RECYCLING PLASTIC IS PRETTY MUCH A FALLACY. 10% LESS THAN 10% IS RECYCLED, REMAINING GOING TO LANDFILL AS PLASTIC IS LIGHT AND FLUFFY, IT EXHAUSTS THE LANDFILL CAPACITY IN ADDITION TO MANY GREENHOUSE GASES AS IT DEGRADES. IN REVIEWING OTHER JURISDICTION'S ORDINANCES, I SUGGEST THAT THERE ARE THREE NECESSARY COMPONENTS TO AN EFFECTIVE PROGRAM. ONE, THE USE OF REUSABLES SUPPLIED BY FOOD VENDORS OR THE GOVERNING AUTHORITY EXAMPLE FOR CITY EVENTS, IF THE CITY'S SUPPLYING IT. TWO, BRING YOUR OWN PROGRAM IN WHICH CONSUMERS BRING THEIR OWN CONTAINERS AND CUPS. AND WITH RESPECT TO THE UGLY SINGLE USE DISPOSABLE ITEMS, UH, WE, WE NEED TO HAVE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS CONTROLLING THE COMPOSITION SO THEY'RE NOT HARMFUL TO THE ENVIRONMENT. 'CAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO LANDFILL AT THIS POINT WITH RESPECT TO THE ORDINANCES THAT CAN SERVE AS MODELS. WELL, THE ZERO WASTE SONOMA ORDINANCE, UH, AS PETALUMA IS A MEMBER OF THE SONOMA COUNTY WASTE MANAGEMENT AGENCY, WHICH IS A JOINT POWERS AUTHORITY. THE SONOMA ZERO WASTE MODEL IS A GOOD PLACE TO START. ALTHOUGH NOTE, AS DRAFTED, IT IS INCOMPLETE. UM, SEBASTOPOL AND SANTA ROSA HAVE ADDED ADDITIONAL COM, UH, ADDITIONAL CONTROLS TO MAKE IT MORE EFFECTIVE. THEN THERE'S A SAN RAFAEL FOOD WEAR ORDINANCE THAT BEEN BROUGHT UP. THIS ORDINANCE IS MORE COMPREHENSIVE, A BETTER DOCUMENT, UM, STILL SOME INHERENT PROBLEMS AND INCONSISTENCIES AS DRAFTED. IT IS MY SUGGESTION THAT THE CAC REVIEWS THESE AND OTHER JURISDICTIONS ORDINANCES, UM, SUCH THAT THE PROSPECTIVE PETALUMA ORDINANCE PROVIDES CLEAR POLICIES AND CONTROLS TO GUIDE BUSINESSES AND THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS. UM, I SUGGEST THAT WE ALL ACKNOWLEDGE THAT ACHIEVING ZERO WASTE IS VERY COMPLICATED. THERE'S NOT ONE HAPPY BUTTON WE CAN PUSH TO THE ULTIMATE GOAL, WHICH IS A CIRCULAR SYSTEM WHERE NOTHING IS WASTED AND THE WASTE WE PRODUCE HAS VALUE. BUT WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE AND CELEBRATE THE FACT THAT WORKING TOGETHER, WE CAN ALL MOVE IT FORWARD. SO FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT DIRECTLY FOR ME. I'M, I'M GLAD TO HELP. UM, IF, UH, IF I CAN HELP. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. DO WE DON'T HAVE, THAT'S IT. OKAY. DID WE HAVE ANY, UM, COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING? NO PRIOR PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. UM, LET'S SEE. ALL RIGHT, SO THEN I GUESS WE CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE ARE MOVING [PRESENTATIONS] ON TO THE PRESENTATION SECTION. AND ITEM ONE IS UPDATE DECEMBER. UPDATE BY COOL PETALUMA. HI EVERYONE. SO GLAD TO BE BACK HERE. MONTHS GO BY QUICKLY. SO JUST GIVING YOU THE UPDATE FOR DECEMBER. UH, FIRST OFF, UM, WE HAD A FANTASTIC SOLD OUT SHINDIG, WHICH WITH OVER WITH, UH, [00:05:01] WE SOLD OUT AT 240 ATTENDEES IN THE HALL OF THE ABOVE. SOME OF YOU WERE THERE. AND THIS WAS A GREAT CELEBRATION OF, UH, CLIMATE ACTION AND PETALUMA WITH THE COMMUNITY COMING OUT TO SUPPORT AND BE TOGETHER AS WE, YOU KNOW, ALL WORK TOGETHER TO CREATE THESE TO, UM, TOWARDS THESE LARGE GOALS THAT REQUIRE EVERYONE TO PARTICIPATE. SO IT WAS REALLY GOOD TO SEE SUCH A, A GOOD TURNOUT AND TO SEE SUCH POSITIVE ENERGY AND MOMENTUM IN THE COMMUNITY. AND AT THAT EVENT, WE ANNOUNCED, I THINK THE NEXT SLIDE IS THE, UH, LAUNCH OF OUR BYO CUP CAMPAIGN HAS OFFICIALLY LAUNCHED WITH THAT EVENT. AND WE'RE VERY EXCITED. UM, WE ARE ADDING WINDOW CLINGS AND REGISTER REMINDERS TO BUSINESSES AROUND TOWN AND DISTRIBUTING STICKERS TO CONSUMERS THAT MATCH THAT LOGO. SO YOU CAN PUT IT ON YOUR CUP, KIND OF CREATE THAT TEAM SPIRIT AROUND IT AS THE PRE, UH, JESSE PREVIOUSLY WAS MENTIONING THE, THE NEED. YOU KNOW, THIS IS SUCH LOW HANGING FRUIT. IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, INEXPENSIVE, QUICK AND EASY WAY TO, UH, TAG ONTO THAT MOMENTUM THAT HAD BEEN GAINED THROUGH THE PURPLE CUP PROGRAM BECAUSE PEOPLE HAD STARTED THINKING ABOUT REUSING MORE AND RETURNING. AND SO HOW DO WE BUILD ON THAT WITH SAFER ALTERNATIVES AND ALTERNATIVES THAT MOST PEOPLE ALREADY HAVE IN THEIR KITCHEN CABINET. THEY JUST FORGET TO BRING WITH THEM. SO WE ARE HAD A, A GREAT GROUP OF VOLUNTEERS CREATE A COMMITTEE AROUND THIS FROM THE COMMUNITY. AND THEY ARE ACTUALLY ALSO RESEARCHING A, AN INCENTIVE PROGRAM, SOME KIND OF WAY THAT AS YOU REUSE YOUR CUP, YOU GET TO ENTERED INTO A, A, UH, INCENTIVE PROGRAM SO THAT YOU HAVE SOME REWARDS THERE AS WELL. AND WE'RE JUST HOPING THAT EVERYONE CAN HELP US SPREAD THE WORD BECAUSE JUST WALKING INTO THE COFFEE SHOP WITH YOUR OWN TRAVEL MUG SENDS A SIGNAL TO EVERYONE AROUND YOU. AND THEY MIGHT THINK, OH YEAH, I'LL DO THAT NEXT TIME. I TOTALLY FORGOT. BUT NOW THAT IT'S BECOMING THIS NORM. AND THEN THE OTHER THING WE'RE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE IS PEOPLE TO JUST REMEMBER TO ASK FOR A FORHE CUP WHEN THEY'RE DINING IN, BECAUSE THE DEFAULT SEEMS TO GO TO, TO GO CUPS. AND THAT'S SUCH AN EASY WAY, TASTES BETTER. YOU DON'T GET THAT PLASTIC LINING THAT COMES IN THE PAPER CUP AND THE EXPOSURE TO ALL THOSE CHEMICALS THAT WAY. AND AS WAS PREVIOUSLY STATED, AND YOU ALL KNOW, BUT FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC, THE PAPER CUPS, PAPER COFFEE CUPS, ALL GO TO LANDFILL. THEY ARE NOT RECYCLABLE OR COMPOSTABLE DESPITE WHAT THE LABEL MIGHT SAY. SO YOU CAN GO TO PETALUMA.ORG/BY FOR MORE INFORMATION AND LOOK FOR THOSE WINDOW CLINGS IN YOUR FAVORITE COFFEE SHOP. NEXT IS, UH, WHAT WE HAVE IN THE WORKS FOR 2025. SO JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU GUYS A HEADS UPS AS WE GO INTO THE NEXT YEAR, WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE IN DEVELOPMENT. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'D LOVE TO PARTNER WITH YOU ALL. ONE THING, UM, THIS WORK IS REALLY IS MORE ABOUT, UM, ADAPTATION AS THE WEATHER, YOU KNOW, AS OUR MEGA STORMS CONTINUE AND DROUGHTS AND WILDFIRES, BUT ALSO APPLIES TO THAT MAJOR EARTHQUAKE WE ARE EXPECTING IN THIS AREA. WE ARE WORKING WITH THE CITY OF PETALUMA'S EMERGENCY MANAGER, TOM JORDAN, TO CREATE, UH, A PILOT NEIGHBORHOOD RESPONSE GROUP PROGRAM. AND BASING THESE AROUND AN ADOPT A PARK PROGRAM IS LIKE THE GATHERING POINTS IN DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS TO CREATE THE PARKS AS THE GATHERING POINTS. AND SO THIS IS GONNA BE A GREAT WAY TO EXPAND WHAT COOL PIT HAS BEEN DOING ON AN INDIVIDUAL AND BLOCK LEVEL BASIS TO THE LARGER COMMUNITY THAT PILOT'S COMING IN EARLY 2025. SO HEADS UP THERE. AND THEN NEXT WE HAVE THE, OH, WE ARE. AND SO TAGGING ONTO THAT, WE HAVE HAD THIS IDEA FOR A WHILE BASED ON, THIS IS ACTUALLY IN FRONT OF DAVE AND LYNN KING'S HOUSE FROM THEIR COOL BLOCK, UM, A NEIGHBORHOOD KIOSK IDEA FOR CREATING. AND THE EMERGENCY MANAGER REALLY LOVES THIS IDEA BECAUSE IF CELL PHONES GO DOWN, AND ACTUALLY I TALKED TO A FRIEND IN ASHEVILLE, NORTH CAROLINA, AND SHE SAID THEY LITERALLY WERE USING LITTLE NOTES AND SIGNS ON THE SIDE OF THE SIDEWALK TO COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, OUR NORMAL MEANS OF COMMUNICATIONS WERE, WERE DOWN. SO THIS IDEA OF HAVING LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD KIOSKS THAT CAN ACT AS WAYS FOR PEOPLE TO SHARE RESOURCES, EXTRA FRUIT, YOU KNOW, TOOLS, BUT ALSO A WAY TO SHARE EMERGENCY INFORMATION SHOULD SOMETHING GO WRONG. UM, AND WE HAVE, UH, THE GIRL SCOUTS ARE ACTUALLY GONNA WORK ON MAKING A PROTOTYPE FOR THIS THAT WE HOPE TO ROLL OUT THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. THAT'S GONNA BE THEIR SPRING 2025 PROJECT, SO LOOK FOR THAT AS WELL. AND THEN NEXT WE HA ARE ALSO WORKING WITH THE SLIGHTLY YOUNGER GIRL SCOUTS, THE BROWNIES, THEY MADE US SOME ADORABLE PROTOTYPES. I SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT THEM HERE TONIGHT. BUT THEY WANT, UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH PETA CITY SCHOOLS TO, UH, EXPLORE THE IDEA OF A BRING YOUR OWN FORK CAMPAIGN, BECAUSE THE FORK PROBLEM IS ACTUALLY A HUGE WASTE PROBLEM IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. THEY SERVE 900,000 MEALS A YEAR, AND THAT'S A LOT OF PLASTIC [00:10:01] FORKS, KIND OF, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE TO REPLACE THOSE WITH COMPOSTABLE FORKS. AND IT WAS REALIZED THAT THE KIDS ALREADY ARE BRINGING THEIR OWN WATER BOTTLES. SO IS THERE A WAY TO ATTACH A FORK TO THE SIDE OF THE WATER BOTTLE? AND THESE KIDS GOT SO EXCITED ABOUT THIS IDEA, THEY REALLY HOPE, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE HOPING WE CAN GET THIS ROLLED OUT IN THE SCHOOL SO THEY CAN SEE THEIR IDEA ALL THE WAY THROUGH, WHICH WOULD BE VERY EXCITING. NEXT IS, OH, UH, IN COLLABORATION WITH THE CITY OF PETALUMA AND PETALUMA CITY SCHOOLS AS WELL. WE FINALLY, I THINK WE PUT A SAVE THE DATE OUT LAST MONTH, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE A NAME FOR IT. IT WAS A NAME TDBD, BUT NOW IS CALLED FUTURE FEST PETALUMA. SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO CREATING THIS HUGE EVENT ON SUNDAY, MAY 4TH AT LUKE CASEY. WE WERE JUST ALL THERE TODAY, SCOUTING OUT THE GROUNDS. WE'RE GONNA TAKE OVER THE WHOLE THING. IT'S GONNA BE LIKE THE, IT'S GONNA INCLUDE THE COOL PETALUMA EXPO, BUT THEN ALSO A LOT MORE. AND WE WOULD LOVE, UH, THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION'S PARTICIPATION IN THAT. WE HAVE, THE TREE ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS GONNA BE PUTTING ON THEIR, UH, THE TREE FEST THAT THEY DID LAST YEAR. THEY'RE GONNA BE DOING THAT OUTSIDE AT THE LOCATION AT THE SAME TIME. AND THE SCHOOLS ARE GOING TO IN, UH, FEATURE STUDENT WORK AND SOME PANELS. AND WE WOULD LOVE TO COLLABORATE WITH CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION TO FIGURE OUT MORE WAYS TO TURN THAT INTO A BIG FUN COMMUNITY EVENT. THEN NEXT WE HAVE, WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH DOWNTOWN BUSINESS OWNERS, NAOMI CRAWFORD AND APRIL FREDERICK, TO CREATE A COOL BUSINESS PROGRAM. WE ALSO HAVE A MEETING SET UP WITH THE CITY, UH, FOR EARLY JANUARY TO COORDINATE WITH THE, THE CITY STAFF AS WELL. AND SO WE RECOGNIZE THAT MANY OF THE BLUEPRINT ACTION ITEMS REQUIRE BUSINESS PARTICIPATION AND THAT HAS SORT OF NOT BEEN ENGAGED YET. SO, UH, WE ALSO REALIZE THAT THE COOL PETALUMA FIVE TOPICS APPLY QUITE WELL ALSO TO BUSINESS PREPARATION. AND SO WE ARE LOOKING AT WAYS OF ADAPTING OUR RESIDENTIAL BLOCK-BASED PROGRAM INTO A BUSINESS PROGRAM. SO, UM, ANY IDEAS YOU HAVE, THOUGHTS YOU HAVE ON THAT, YOU CAN, WE'D LOVE TO HAVE YOUR PARTICIPATION ON THAT AS WELL. AND OH, UM, JUST WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU, WE'VE BEEN CONDUCTING THESE, UH, SMALL SURVEYS IN OUR, UH, NEWSLETTER AND JUST TO SHOW THE PARTICIPATION. AND YOU CAN SEE, OH, I DON'T HAVE MY GLASSES ON, BUT I THINK IT'S . WHAT IS IT LIKE, UH, SOME OF THE BIG ONES ARE THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE ENGAGING IN EVENTS. BUT WHAT WE FOUND MOST INTERESTING WAS, UM, I'VE TAKEN THE ACTIONS RECOMMENDED BY COOL PETALUMA, WHAT DOES THAT SAY? 69. SO ALMOST 70%. AND I, THE OTHER ONE THAT WE FOUND SUPER INTERESTING WAS I TALK ABOUT COOL PETALUMA WITH OTHERS. SO PEOPLE ARE SPREADING THE WORD. THAT'S I THINK 62%. AND I TALK ABOUT CLIMATE ACTION, UM, UH, AND, YOU KNOW, RE OFFERING RESOURCES AND IDEAS TO OTHERS, 54%. SO THE IDEA THAT PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO MAKE THIS A PART OF THEIR CONVERSATIONS WITH OTHERS, I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT AS WE'RE LOOKING FOR THAT GREATER CULTURE CHANGE. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE, THIS WAS MORE ABOUT LIKE, WHAT ACTIONS HAVE YOU ACTUALLY TAKEN? SO OBVIOUSLY WE'RE A LOT ABOUT COMMUNITY BUILDING, SO THAT RANKS REALLY HIGH. PREPARING FOR EMERGENCIES ALSO VERY HIGH. BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE IS ALSO, UM, UH, IMPROVING CONSUMPTION FOOD AND, YOU KNOW, SUSTAINABLE, SUSTAINABLE FOODS AND LESS WASTE IS HIGH, UH, REDUCING CONSUMPTION OF STUFF, ESPECIALLY, HOPEFULLY THE PEOPLE WILL REMEMBER THAT AS WE GO INTO THE HOLIDAY SEASON, UH, WITH MORE SHARING AND REPAIRING AND, UH, UH, REPURPOSING INSTEAD OF BUYING NEW IF, IF YOU HAVE NOT YET WATCHED BUY NOW. UH, THE NEW DOCUMENTARY ABOUT OUR BUYING FRENZY ON NETFLIX, I RECOMMEND THAT KIND OF SHOWS THE INSIDE SCOOP ON HOW THEY, WE'VE BEEN MANIPULATED INTO BUYING MORE AND MORE AND MORE STUFF. AND SO JUST SHOWING THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO THINK ABOUT THESE THINGS ALSO HIGHS THE, UH, IMPROVING YOUR HOME ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND ELECTRIFICATION. SO I THINK THAT'S THE LAST SLIDE. IF YOU KNOW ANYBODY WANTS TO GET BE IN THE LOOP REGULARLY, PLEASE SIGN UP FOR OUR NEWSLETTER. WE DO SEND OUT A WEEKLY NEWSLETTER THAT, UM, GETS GREAT ENGAGEMENT AND HELPS US BOTH SPREAD THESE WORDS AND TRACK WHAT'S GOING ON. SO THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND, UM, I DID GO TO THE SHINDIG AND IT WAS A GREAT TIME, SO THANKS FOR THAT. UM, [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] OKAY. SO THE NEXT ITEM IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES. UM, ARE THERE ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES FROM THE COMMISSION? GREAT. IF THERE ARE NO CHANGES, THEN THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED. [00:15:01] UM, THE [PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION] NEXT ITEM IS PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION. UM, BLUEPRINT IMPLEMENTATION, AD HOC SUBCOMMITTEES PLANNING DISCUSSION. IS THERE A STAFF PRESENTATION ON THIS? WE CAN JUST TEE IT UP A LITTLE BIT. UM, WE EXPECT THIS ITEM TO GO A LOT LIKE, UH, LAST MONTH WHERE, UM, THE AD HOCS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED, UM, HAVE TIME THAT WE RECESSED THE, THE MEETING AFTER THIS. AND THEN THE, UM, AD HOCS HAVE TIME TO GATHER TOGETHER, DISCUSS THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED SINCE LAST MONTH, AND THEN, UM, COME BACK AFTER THAT AND RECONVENE AND REPORT OUT TO THE PUBLIC, UM, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE HERE IN ATTENDANCE. AND THANK YOU AND WELCOME FOR, FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. UM, YOU'RE, UH, HIGHLY ENCOURAGED TO PARTICIPATE IN THOSE AD HOC MEETINGS. UH, WE VALUE YOUR, UM, PARTICIPATION. AND THE WHAT WE, THE ONLY THINGS THAT WE KIND OF GIVE AS, AS GUIDELINES AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE AD HOCS FOR THIS EVENING IS TO KIND OF THINK ABOUT HOW TO SUCCINCTLY DESCRIBE THE PURPOSE OF YOUR AD HOC. UM, THINK ABOUT WHAT, WHAT THE AD HOC WISHES TO ACCOMPLISH WITHIN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS. AND THEN BRAINSTORM LISTS OF PRESENTERS, IF ANY, THAT YOU WANT TO CONSIDER INVITING TO PRESENT TO THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION AT A FUTURE MEETING, UM, TO EITHER, YOU KNOW, UM, GIVE INFORMATION ABOUT ONE OF THE POLICIES, UM, PEOPLE THAT HAVE ALREADY HAD THE EXPERIENCE OF IMPLEMENTING POLICIES LIKE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE BLUEPRINT DOCUMENT. UM, OR JUST, YOU KNOW, AWARENESS, EDUCATION, UM, THAT EVERYONE WOULD BENEFIT FROM. SO THOSE THREE WERE, IT'S A SUB SUCCINCT DESCRIPTION, GOALS FOR THE NEXT SIX MONTHS AND PRESENTERS, UM, IS WHAT WE'D RECOMMEND. UM, AND IF YOU WANNA REPORT OUT ON THAT, UM, AT THE, WHEN WE RECONVENE, THAT WOULD BE SUPER HELPFUL. THANK YOU. UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR STAFF ABOUT THAT? OKEY DOKE. UM, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM. UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED THREE MINUTES PER PERSON. IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE SO ALREADY, PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD AND BRING IT TO THE CLERK IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM. DO WE HAVE ANY, OKAY. UH, DID WE GET ANY COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING FOR THIS ONE? NO PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY, THANK YOU. IN THAT CASE, UM, WE CLOSED PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT. UM, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMISSION BEFORE WE MOVE TO RECESS? GREAT. ALRIGHT. EVERYBODY'S READY TO DIG IN AGAIN? UH, DO WE WANNA PUT A TIME LIMIT ON SO FOR SURE FOLKS KNOW WHEN TO COME BACK? YOU KNOW HOW I LOVE TIME LIMITS, . UH, COULD WE CALL IT SEVEN 30? OKAY. 'CAUSE THAT'S 40 MINUTES, SO THAT'D BE 40 MINUTES. OKAY. SEVEN 30 WE SEVEN. OH, WE ONLY NEED HALF ME. I'M GONNA BE LONG. OH, WOULDN'T YOU JUST JOIN ANOTHER ONE? OH, BUT YOU HAVE OH, BECAUSE THERE'S PEOPLE THROUGH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. 7 45 THEN. YEAH. WHERE ARE WE GOING IN THE BUILDING? YEAH, SO WE HAVE THE THREE, WE HAVE IN HERE, WE HAVE THE HALLWAY AND THEN WE HAVE THAT BREAKOUT ROOM. THE CONFERENCE ROOM, CORRECT. SO WE JUST GOT, WE HAVE TO, SHOULD WE JUST DO THE SAME AS LAST TIME? NO, I'M ON A WARM ONE THIS TIME. OKAY. DO YOU WANT THE CONFERENCE ROOM? SORRY? YOU WANT THE CONFERENCE ROOM RIGHT THERE? SURE. OKAY. AND, UM, THE NAME OF YOUR COMMISSION IS BUILDINGS AND ENERGY. BUILDINGS AND ENERGY. OKAY. SO BUILDINGS, BUILDINGS AND ENERGY ARE IN THERE. UH, CONSUMPTION WILL BE IN THE HALLWAY AND THEN, UH, NATURAL SYSTEMS WILL BE IN HERE. TRANSPORTATION, LAND, TRANSPORTATION AND LAND USE. YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE BREAKING IT IS, UH, 6 51 AND WE'RE COMING BACK AT SEVEN 30. UNLESS IT'S ALL ABOUT READY. ARE WE READY? ALL RIGHT. SO IT IS 7 35 AND WE ARE RECONVENING. UM, UH, I'D LIKE TO HAVE A REPORT OUT FROM EACH OF THE AD HOCS, PLEASE. WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO START? WE WILL HAVE TIME [COMMISSION COMMENT] FOR COMMISSION COMMENT, LIKE REGULAR COMMISSION COMMENT AFTER THIS. THIS IS JUST FOR AD HOC REPORT. I'LL GO YES, PLEASE. THANKS, ANNE. OKAY. BUT FIRST I HAVE TO BE REMINDED. . YEAH. WHAT DO YOU MY PHONE DIED. SO THE NOTES I TOOK EARLIER WERE USELESS. UM, DEB, WHAT WERE THE THREE THINGS YOU ASKED US FOR SPEAKERS , UM, GOALS AND WHAT WAS THE THIRD ONE? UH, AND THEN JUST A SUCCINCT, A SUCCINCT DESCRIPTION OF THE AD HOCS PURPOSE. LIKE WHAT [00:20:01] ARE DOING WITHIN THIS PURPOSE? YES. YEAH. OKAY. WELL, I THINK THE PURPOSE OF EACH AD HOC IS TO ADDRESS THE GOALS AS, OR ACTIONS AND PARTICULARLY CORNERSTONE ACTIONS THAT ARE PERTINENT TO THE TOPIC AREA. YES. IN OUR CASE, DEFINE IT DOWN SO THAT PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE WORKING ON BUILDING MM-HMM . ENERGY, UM, PARTICULARLY BUILDING RELATED ENERGY. AND, UM, WE HAVE A FEW, UH, THAT FALL TECHNICALLY UNDER THE TRANSPORTATION LAND USE CATEGORY, BUT, UM, THAT WE'VE CARVED OUT BECAUSE THEY RELATE TO, UM, BUILDING DEVELOPMENT PART OF LAND USE. SO YEAH, THAT'S OUR PURPOSE. THAT'S WHY I COULDN'T REMEMBER. IT'S LIKE, SO YOU LOOK PUZZLED. YES. . SO I'M NOT EXPLAINING WELL ENOUGH. WELL, LAND USE HAS TO DO WITH THE WAY WE PUT DIFFERENT TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT ON DIFFERENT CHUNKS OF LAND AND WE BUILD STUFF. RIGHT. OKAY. GO AHEAD. I WAS, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE THAT LIKE, EXPLAINED A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE GONNA BE WORKING ON. SO IT'S LIKE A, I GETTING THERE. OKAY. . THAT WAS PURPOSE. . NOW I'LL GET TO GOALS . UM, WHAT WE DID IS WE TOOK THOSE ACTIONS AND PARTICULAR CORNERSTONE ACTIONS SORTED THEM BY DATE ORDER. SO THOSE THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ACCOMPLISHED IN 20 25, 20 26, AND SO FORTH, AND LOOKED AT THE ONES MOST PROXIMATE IN TIME AS THOSE WE WANNA START WITH. SO THE THREE THAT ROSE THE TOP AS BEING MOST URGENT. THEREFORE OUR GOALS FOR THE NEXT SIX MONTHS OR THEREABOUTS ARE, UM, CE ONE, WHICH RELATES TO BARRIERS TO CLEAN ENERGY, UH, FULL SATURATION OF CLEAN ENERGY USE IN PETALUMA CCE TWO, WHICH RELATES TO SORT OF SUPPORT OF THE GAS, UM, LANDSCAPE, EQUIPMENT PHASE OUT, SORT OF HOW TO HELP MOVE THAT ALONG IN AS SMOOTHLY AWAY AS POSSIBLE. N-T-L-U-C DASH ONE, WHICH IS, UM, THE GENERAL PLAN DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. AND AGAIN, SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT THAT PIECE OF LAND USE THAT RELATES TO BUILDING DEVELOPMENT. AND, UM, I'LL START THERE BECAUSE THAT'S OUR LEAST SPECIFIC. UM, WHAT WE CONCLUDED ABOUT THAT IS BECAUSE THAT REALLY EXISTS PRIMARILY UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF THE GENERAL PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE. OUR PRIMARY ROLE WILL BE IN JUST ENSURING THAT THERE'S GOOD COMMUNICATION BETWEEN GPAC AND THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION, WHICH WE WILL ACCOMPLISH. UH, WE'VE, WE'VE GIVEN OURSELVES THE ASSIGNMENTS OF ATTENDING THE GPAC MEETINGS OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS ON ROTATION TO REALLY JUST SORT OF MAKE SURE THAT WE KNOW KIND OF WHAT THEIR PROCESS AND THINKING IS, AND IN TURN THEY KNOW OURS. SO THAT'S THE EASIEST ONE. UM, GOING BACK TO CE ONE, UM, THE ONE ABOUT BARRIERS TO ADOPTION OF A HUNDRED PERCENT CLEAN ENERGY, WE ARE PLANNING TO FIRST OF ALL KIND OF DEFINE THE TYPOLOGIES THAT REPRESENT SORT OF THE BIGGEST USER GROUPS IN PETALUMA ENERGY USER GROUPS. SO, AND THOSE CAN BE DEFINED A VARIETY OF WAYS, BUT FOR EXAMPLE, SINGLE FAMILY HOMEOWNERS ARE A SIGNIFICANT USER GROUP. MULTIFAMILY TENANTS AND OR MULTIFAMILY BUILDING OWNERS ARE ANOTHER ONE. UM, SCHOOL DISTRICTS, HEALTHCARE FACILITIES, GROCERY STORES, UM, AG BUSINESSES ARE ALL LARGE ENERGY USERS AND REPRESENT OTHERS SORT OF USER TYPOLOGIES. SO OUR FIRST JOB IS TO REALLY SORT OF MAKE A, A FAIRLY COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF THOSE BUCKETS. AND THEN SECONDLY, UH, START TO ADDRESS WHAT THE BARRIERS THEY MIGHT HAVE TO CLEAN ENERGY ADOPTION MIGHT BE STARTING WITH, DO THEY KNOW THAT THERE'S A CLEAN ENERGY OPTION? DO THEY KNOW THAT THERE'S AN ENERGY PROVIDER IN THE COUNTY? DO THEY KNOW WHY THAT MIGHT BE BENEFICIAL? UM, DO THEY HAVE THEY, THEY CONSIDERED, UH, SOLAR INSTALLATION JUST WORKING OUR WAY THROUGH THE LEVELS OF AWARENESS TO, UH, OKAY, YES. AND IT MIGHT COST SOMETHING. UM, SO IF, IF THAT'S A BARRIER, THEN UH, WHAT MIGHT SURMOUNT THAT BARRIER. SO IT'S REALLY JUST A LOT OF INVESTIGATION, LIKE, WHO ARE YOU, WHAT ARE YOUR ISSUES, YOU KNOW, HOW CAN WE BETTER INFORM YOU? HOW CAN WE BETTER ADDRESS [00:25:01] WHATEVER, UM, OBSTACLES THERE MIGHT BE IN YOUR PATH. UM, MOVING ON TO CE TWO, THE LANDSCAPE EQUIPMENT PHASE OUT, OUR PERCEPTION IS THAT THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE IS GOING TO BE FOR RELATIVELY SMALL BUSINESS OPERATORS. YOU KNOW, THE ONE IN TWO PICKUP TRUCK OPERATIONS WHO ARE GONNA HAVE A LITTLE BIT SMALLER RESOURCE BASE TO WORK WITH, AND IF THEY'VE MISSED OUT ON THE EQUIPMENT TRADE IN AND INCENTIVES, WHAT MIGHT BE DONE. AND, AND SIMILARLY, THERE'S INVESTIGATION INVOLVED HERE WE HAVE SOME IDEAS ABOUT WHAT SOME OF THEIR BARRIERS MIGHT BE, AGAIN, OTHER THAN JUST SHEER DOLLARS. UM, AND WHAT WE WANNA DO IS INTERVIEW SOME OPERATORS AND GET A LITTLE BETTER SENSE OF WHAT THE BARRIERS ARE AND WHAT THE SOLUTIONS MIGHT LOOK LIKE. UH, WE ALSO PLAN TO TALK TO SOME CITY STAFFERS WHO WORK ON LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE AND, UH, FIND OUT WHAT THEIR EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN THUS FAR AND, AND HOW THAT CAN HELP US. MOVING ON TO SPEAKER IDEAS, WE GOT SOME GREAT SUGGESTIONS FROM OUR, OUR PUBLIC PARTICIPANTS IS THE EVENING. UM, SO WHAT WE KIND OF WANNA DO OR MAYBE DO IS BRING SOME OF THOSE FOLKS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO INTERVIEW AND PERHAPS HAVE A PANEL OR SORT OF A TALK SHOW FORMAT IN CLIMATE ACTION COMMISSION MEETINGS WHERE WE CAN LEARN AS A COLLECTIVE GROUP ABOUT WHAT THESE ISSUES ARE FROM PEOPLE UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL. UM, ALSO I HEARD THE SUGGESTION THAT WE HEAR FROM, IS IT CALLED CAPS? NATASHA, THE SCHOOL PROGRAM, WHICH PRAL MAY BE ABLE TO, UH, ELIMINATE A LITTLE MORE FOR US WHAT THEY HAVE ALREADY LEARNED ABOUT ENERGY CONSUMPTION AND PRODUCTION IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS, FOR EXAMPLE, AND WHAT THAT MIGHT MEAN IN TERMS OF COST ISSUES. AND THEN WHERE WE MIGHT GO WITH THAT IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT, OKAY, IF THERE'S A DELTA, LET'S SAY BETWEEN SOLAR PRODUCTION AND ENERGY CONSUMPTION, UM, HOW MANY KILOWATT HOURS PER YEAR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? WHAT ARE THE RATES? WHAT DOES THAT REPRESENT IN TERMS OF, UM, A PREMIUM FOR EVERGREEN? OR WHAT MIGHT IT COST TO ADD FURTHER SOLAR CAPACITY AT WHAT COST AND WHAT BENEFITS TO THE DISTRICT? SO IT'D BE REALLY FUN TO INVOLVE THE CAPS CREW, UM, IN THAT PROJECT AND, AND HAVE THEM HELP INFORM OUR RESEARCH. SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. SPLENDID. THANK YOU. IT'S EXCITING. UM, AND I LOVE THE IDEA OF HAVING THE PANEL OF THE PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE INTERVIEWING TO COME AND JUST SO THAT WE CAN GET A FULLER PICTURE. RIGHT. I LOVE THAT. YEAH. AND JUST TO ADD A LITTLE BIT OF COLOR TO THAT TOO, WE DIDN'T WANT TO PUT THE BURDEN OF ASKING PEOPLE TO PREPARE PRESENTATIONS, RATHER WE THOUGHT WE'LL PREPARE QUESTIONS FOR THEM AND WE MIGHT ACTUALLY ENGAGE WITH SOME OF OUR EXPERT COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO EVEN MAKE SURE WE'RE ASKING THE RIGHT QUESTIONS AND DO THAT PLANNING IN ADVANCE. EXCITING. THAT'S SO GREAT. THANK YOU. UM, WHO ELSE IS, ARE YOU RECORDING? SURE I CAN. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, SO TRANSPORTATION, LAND USE AND NATURAL SYSTEMS. UM, WE HAD, UH, IDENTIFIED WELL, OKAY, I'LL START WITH THE PURPOSE. TRYING OUT OUR SENTENCE HERE. UM, PURPOSE OF THIS AD HOC IS TO MODERNIZE THE WAY WE MOVE AROUND OUR COMMUNITY TO BE MORE COST EFFECTIVE, RESOURCE EFFICIENT, AND CARING OF OUR NATURAL ENVIRONMENT. TRY TO GET IT TO AN ELEVATOR SPEECH. , CAN YOU REPEAT IT, UM, CLOSER TO MY MIC. OKAY. YES. UM, THE PURPOSE OF OUR AD HOC IS TO MODERNIZE THE WAY WE MOVE AROUND OUR COMMUNITY TO BE MORE COST EFFECTIVE, RESOURCE EFFICIENT, AND CARING OF OUR NATURAL ENVIRONMENT. THANK YOU. IT'S A LITTLE POLISHING, BUT THAT'S OUR, THAT'S OUR START. AND THEN, AND THEN WE HAD IDENTIFIED THREE PRIORITIES THAT KIND OF IN ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT ANN WAS SAYING OR ON, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF COMING UP SOON IN THE CORNERSTONE ACTIONS, THINGS THAT ARE IN THE YEAR 2025. UM, AND SO WE WERE PLANNING ON WORKING ON, UH, FACILITATING THE DESIGN AND IMPLEMENTATION OF COMPLETE STREETS. AND WE HAVE A WHOLE LAUNDRY LIST. DO YOU GUYS WANT ME TO GO THROUGH THE LAUNDRY LIST OF ITEMS THAT WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT IN THAT, OR JUST GIVE YOU THE TOP LINE? SURE. LAUNDRY LIST. YOU WANT A LAUNDRY LIST? OKAY. UM, WE WANNA SET UP A JOINT AD HOC WITH PLANNING AND BIKE PED. UH, WE WANNA PRIORITIZE MIDTOWN AND INNER EAST SIDE NEIGHBORHOODS. WE'D LIKE TO START WITH SAFE ROUTE TO SCHOOL, IDENTIFY, UH, BIKE PED IMPROVEMENTS BY COUNCIL DISTRICTS. SO THAT'S KIND OF COOL. THAT COOL. PETALUMA LOOKING MORE ON NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL STUFF TOO. OVERLAY [00:30:01] URBAN FORESTRY NEEDS IN THE MASTER PLAN OVERLAY STORMWATER SYSTEM UPGRADES AND AREAS NEEDING LID FEATURES. UM, OVERLAY WILDLIFE CORRIDORS, UH, DEVELOP NEW STREET STANDARD DETAILS, UM, AND IDENTIFY PRIORITY PROJECTS AND PROSPECTIVE GRANT AND OTHER FUNDING TO IMPLEMENT. SO THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER GROUPS WORKING ON THESE ISSUES. AND SO THE IDEA WOULD BE TO, TO COLLABORATE AND COORDINATE KIND OF CATALYST UPLIFT AND KIND OF MAKE SURE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GETTING THE TREES IN THERE, WE'RE GETTING THE LID FEATURES IN THERE, WE'RE GETTING THE GREEN CORRIDORS IN THERE, UM, AS WE'RE DOING SAFE ROUTE TO SCHOOL, FOR EXAMPLE. UM, SO THAT WAS ONE. ANOTHER ONE IS TO WORK ON, UM, TRANSPORTATION DEMAND MANAGEMENT. SO BASICALLY WAYS OF GETTING PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR SINGLE OCCUPANCY VEHICLES, UH, IN PARTICULAR WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO SCHOOL OR TO WORK. UM, AND SO DIFFERENT WORK ITEMS THAT WE HAD DEVELOPED IN THAT PRIORITY WERE TO DEVELOP FLYERS FOR SCHOOLS AND BUSINESSES THAT DETAIL ALL THE AVAILABLE TRANSIT MODES RIGHT NOW. SO MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO IDENTIFY WHAT THEIR OPTIONS ARE, INCENTIVIZE EMPLOYERS TO POST INFORMATION AND REDUCE SINGLE OCCUPANCY VEHICLE USE. IDENTIFY AREAS OF MULTIPLE LARGER EMPLOYERS, SO LIKE A DISTRICT LIKE LAKEVILLE OR NORTH MCDOWELL TO LOOK AT VAN POOL SHUTTLES AND OTHER LAST MILE MODES, UM, FROM SMART OR, UM, BUS DEPOT IDENTIFYING NEEDED UPGRADES TO PARKING LOTS TO SUPPORT MODE SHIFT. SO FOR EXAMPLE, PRIORITIZING EV CHARGING, UH, VAN ACCESSIBLE PARKING. UM, AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, INCENTIVIZING PARKING LOT UPGRADES TO PROVIDE THOSE FEATURES AND PERHAPS REDUCE, UH, THE AMOUNT OF PARKING, UM, IN THE PROCESS TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO USE OTHER MODES. AND THEN THE THREE THIRD PRIORITY WE HAD, UM, ALL AGREED ON WAS, UM, TO PROMOTE PUBLIC EV CHARGING AND, UM, PRIORITIZE AGAIN, LOWER INCOME COMMUNITIES, DEVELOP, UM, PROGRAMS THAT ARE KIND OF WORK WITH SCTA ON EXISTING PROGRAMS, SEE WHAT WE CAN BRING IN INTO TOWN AND TO PLACE CHARGERS IN LOWER IN AFFORDABLE APARTMENTS, MULTIFAMILY HOUSING, LOW INCOME AND SENIOR HOUSING TRAILER PARKS IN EITHER KIND OF ONSITE OR ADJACENT IDENTIFY NGOS TO PARTNER WITH IN, IN THIS EFFORT. SO WE'RE, UH, SUPPORTING LOCAL NGOS IN DEVELOPING THESE SKILLS AND, UM, ABILITY TO DELIVER THESE PROJECTS. SO HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH GROUPS LIKE PEP ARE REBUILDING TOGETHER, UM, PERHAPS OTHER GROUPS AS WELL, UM, ON, UH, HOW TO MANAGE THIS PROGRAM AND INSTALL THE CHARGERS. SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THE CITY NECESSARILY WOULD BE DOING. IDENTIFY AREAS NEEDING MORE PUBLIC CHARGERS PLAN AND IMPLEMENT, UM, THOSE, SO I KNOW THE, THE CITY'S BEEN WORKING ON PART OF THAT, SO TO KIND OF UPLIFT THAT CONVERSATION AND HELP MOVE IT ALONG. AND THEN, UM, IDENTIFY LARGER EMPLOYEES AND DEVELOP PROGRAMS TO ASSIST EV CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, AND INSTALLING PARKING LOTS, WHICH ACTUALLY WAS IN THE PREVIOUS ONE AS WELL. AND THEN IN OUR GROUP WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT, UM, WE'D LIKE TO, UM, THIS IS OUR PRIORITIES FOR THE NEXT SIX MONTHS, BUT WE'D LIKE TO ALSO BE DOING RESEARCH ON WILDLIFE CONNECTIVITY AND CORRIDORS AND HOW THAT'S BEING ADDRESSED IN THE GENERAL PLAN AND IS IT BEING ADDRESSED ADEQUATELY IN THE GENERAL PLAN. UM, ANOTHER DOCUMENTS. AND SO THAT WOULD MOVE INTO OUR SET OF PRIORITIES, UM, AFTER THIS FIRST SIX MONTHS IS FINISHED. SO WE'RE KIND OF REALLY LEANING INTO MITIGATION THIS FIRST SIX MONTHS AND THEN WE'LL LOOK MORE AT, UM, NATURAL SYSTEMS. AND THEN, UM, PRESENTERS. UM, UM, DEB MENTIONED THE SENIOR PLANNER FROM SCTA WHO COULD GIVE US A PRESENTATION ON MOBILITY, UM, AND GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, PARTICULARLY AROUND SCHOOLS. UM, PERHAPS A PRESENTATION FROM, UM, SOMEONE IN OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT ON, UM, GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE SYSTEMS. WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING A PRESENTATION PERHAPS SIX MONTHS FROM NOW, FROM POINT BLUE ON, UH, PETALUMA NATURAL SYSTEMS. AND THEN WE NEED TO FIND SPEAKERS ON PUBLIC EV CHARGING AND, UM, AND SOME OTHER TOPICS. SO WE'RE STILL KIND OF DIGGING AROUND FOR GOOD SPEAKERS. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. DO YOU WANNA PRESENT OR COMMISSIONER KRISHNA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO PRESENT ON THE NO. OKAY. DO YOU LIKE TO OR YOU WANT ME TO? I PREFER HAVE ALL NOTES. OKAY. I DO HAVE NOTES. UM, LET ME FIND MY NOTES. UM, [00:35:01] WELL, I CAN JUST START BY TALKING. SO, UM, THE PURPOSE IS, YOU KNOW, THE SAME AS WHAT, UM, COMMISSIONER ADMINISTRATOR SAID, WHICH IS, UM, TO SUPPORT THE BLUEPRINT IMPLEMENTATION, UM, AND THE SORT OF, IT'S REALLY ONE LARGER ITEM, BUT IT'S, UM, WE SAW IT AS THE MOST LOW HANGING FRUIT AND IT SORT OF HAS TWO COMPONENTS TO IT, AND WHICH IS THE, UM, SINGLE USE FOOD WARE ORDINANCE, WHICH IS ALREADY IN THE, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE MINDS OF THE CITY. UM, AND WAS STARTING TO BE, UM, PUSHED FORWARD AND THEN COVID HAPPENED, AND SO NOW IT'S SORT OF TIME TO BRING IT BACK. AND, UM, SO WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE, UH, AN OFFICIAL RECOMMENDATION FOR THE CITY TO, UM, ADOPT THE ORDINANCE, UM, WHICH WE'RE GONNA START WITH SANTA ROSA, UM, SANTA ROSA'S, AND THEN SORT OF MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW WE CAN IMPROVE IT. UM, AND THEN SORT OF WITHIN THAT IS THE EVENT WASTE MANAGEMENT PLAN, UM, WHICH HAS ALSO BEEN TALKED ABOUT A LOT. AND THERE'S, UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT PEOPLE HAVE TRIED TO DO IT. AND SO WE'RE GATHERING INFORMATION FROM, UM, PLACES LIKE SEBASTOPOL, APPLE FAIR, UM, UM, GREEN MARY, UM, TO SEE IF WE CAN PUT TOGETHER LIKE A, LIKE A MODEL GUIDE FOR PEOPLE TO, UM, TO USE, UM, WHEN THEY'RE PUTTING ON CITY, WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT? CITY SPONSORED, NOT CITY SPONSORED, BUT CITY, CITY RELATED EVENTS. IT'S, IT'S ON A CITY PROPERTY. IT'S EITHER ON CITY FACILITIES OR PERMITTED BY THE CITY IS WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. YEAH. THANK YOU. AFFILIATED. YEAH. UM, AND THEN AS FAR AS SPEAKERS GO, YOU GUYS MIGHT, MIGHT HAVE TO HELP ME WITH THIS 'CAUSE I DON'T HAVE ANY NOTES IN FRONT OF ME. UM, WE TALKED ABOUT BRINGING IN, UM, SOMEBODY FROM THE RESTAURANT ASSOCIATION IN PETALUMA TO TALK ABOUT WHAT HAS BEEN BARRIERS FOR THEM. UM, WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING SOMEBODY FROM ECOLOGY ZERO WASTE, SONOMA, UM, WHO AM I MISSING? GREEN MARY SLASH SPARKLE OR CITY OF SUNNYVALE OR RAFAEL, PEOPLE THAT HAVE ALREADY IMPLEMENTED THOSE. OH YEAH. PEOPLE THAT HAVE ALREADY DONE IT. YEAH. AND I THINK THAT'S IT. OKAY. WE TALK ABOUT OUR TIMELINE. OH, AND THE TI I MEAN, THE TIMELINE IS SIX MONTHS, RIGHT? SO, OKAY. SO I THINK WE CAN CLOSE THIS ITEM, RIGHT? NOTHING ELSE THERE. OKAY. SO THEN WE'RE NOW OPENING IT UP TO, UM, GENERAL COMMISSION COMMENT. UM, DURING COMMISSION COMMENT, MEMBERS ARE INVITED TO BRIEFLY SHARE UPDATES RELEVANT TO THIS COMMISSION, INCLUDING LIAISON REPORTS FROM OTHER CITY BODIES AND MAKE REQUESTS FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. DIALOGUE BETWEEN MEMBERS SHOULD BE LIMITED TO CLARIFYING QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS. THERE WILL BE NO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM. UM, WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO START WITH COMMISSION COMMENT? UM, WELL THIS IS, UH, INSPIRED BY THE REPORT FROM COMMISSIONER BAKER. UM, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF COMMUNITIES THAT RECENTLY HAVE STARTED INSTALLING POWER POLL BASED CHARGERS, UM, AVAILABLE AT CITY SIDEWALKS. SO I THINK WE CAN FIND OUT RELATIVELY EASILY WHAT THOSE COMMUNITIES ARE. AND I THINK THAT'S ONE STRATEGY THAT'S VERY INTERESTING TO EXPLORE BECAUSE IT'S BASICALLY CAN BE DONE ALMOST ANYWHERE A SPACE AT A TIME. UH, SO ANYWAY, THAT'S ONE THING. AND OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T REALLY THINK I HAVE ANYTHING TOP OF MIND TO SHARE. UM, FIRST OFF, I ATTENDED A, A, A WEBINAR ON PLASTICS AND, AND, UH, A SINGLE USE PLASTICS, HOW TO DO IT. AND, UM, A SPEAKER FROM LOS ANGELES THAT ACTUALLY IS RUNNING THE PROGRAM DOWN THERE, AND APPARENTLY LOS ANGELES IS ON THE FOREFRONT OF, UH, REMOVING SINGLE PLASTIC, UH, USAGE IN, IN JUST ABOUT EVERY POSSIBLE ASPECT AND ACTUALLY MAY HAVE THE STRONGEST ORDINANCES NOW. SO, UM, AND IN FACT, I, I, I PUT THAT NOTE INTO ERIC, DAN LEE'S MIND AND EMAIL AND SAID, WHY DON'T YOU PLEASE INVESTIGATE WHAT THEY'VE GOT? AND, UH, AND, UM, ANYWAY, SO I THINK I SENT THEM A, A CONTACT FOR THAT. SO, UH, TO HELP US ALONG THE WAY TO, TO GET THAT FAR. UM, THEN, UM, THE, UH, OTHER THING I, I WENT TO, UM, I ENDED UP GETTING, RECEIVING THREE LECTURES ON CLIMATE CHANGE, UH, LAST WEEK. AND, UM, IT'S HAPPENING, UM, UH, SOONER THAN LATER. UM, IT, IT'S UPPING THE ANTE'S GETTING UPPED, SO WE NEED TO, UM, REALLY TAKE ACTION SOONER. UM, AND SO WHAT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS, IS IT'S REALLY GOOD THAT WE ARE STILL ON TRACK AND MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS. AND ONE OF THE, UM, UH, SPEAKERS I FOUND OUT, UM, HAD GONE TO THE, UM, UH, [00:40:01] BAKU, UM, OVER IN AFGHANISTAN FOR THE, UH, COP 29. AND IT'S ACTUALLY LOCAL LEADERS LIKE OURSELVES THROUGHOUT THE U US WORLD, UH, THE CITY LEADERSHIPS THAT ARE ACTUALLY, UM, DOING THE MOST WORK RIGHT NOW. SO, SO WE'RE, WE'RE PART OF A LARGER WORLDWIDE EFFORT. MANY, MANY CITIES APPARENTLY ARE DOING WHAT, WHAT WE'RE ALSO DOING ALL AROUND THE WORLD. SO THAT'S WHAT I, I FOUND OUT FROM, FROM, UH, LISTENING TO THAT TALK. ANYWAY, I JUST THOUGHT I'D JUST BRING THAT BACK UP. THANK YOU. BOTH DISCOURAGING AND UPLIFTING, DISCOURAGING THAT IT'S, THE TIMELINE IS SPED UP AND UPLIFTING THAT PEOPLE ARE DOING SOMETHING. UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YES. UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW RELEVANT THIS IS, BUT, UM, YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT A NETFLIX DOCUMENTARY ABOUT LIKE, BUYING THINGS AND I'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH SOMEONE WHO IS ACTUALLY CREATING WHAT I THINK IS GOING TO BE A NETFLIX DOCUMENTARY ON, UM, CARBON EMISSIONS, ESPECIALLY WITH LIKE, LARGER COMPANIES. AND I THINK WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS REALLY COOL AS WELL AS LIKE A PILOT PROGRAM, UM, WITH LIKE FAMILIES IN PETALUMA AND SOMEWHERE AROUND SONOMA COUNTY, LIKE SEEING WHAT THEY CAN DO TO REDUCE THEIR EMISSIONS AS WELL AS LIKE IN NORMAL, LIKE MIDDLE CLASS FAMILY, YOU COULD, AS WELL AS THEY'RE USING A LOT OF RESOURCES FROM THE SCHOOLS. LIKE, UM, I KNOW I'VE INTRODUCED THE, I'M ASSUMING THE DIRECTOR, I'M NOT SURE, BUT THE ONE WHO'S RUNNING IT AND I'M IN CONTACT WITH TO A LOT OF PEOPLE, UH, STUDENTS AT OUR SCHOOL THAT WILL HELP FILM IT AND HAVE A LOT OF THAT STUFF. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW RELEVANT THAT IS, BUT THAT'S SOME COOL PROJECT THAT'S HAPPENING. THAT IS COOL. THANKS FOR SHARING. BEN. UH, LAST WEEK THE BCDC APPROVED THE REGIONAL SHORELINE ADAPTATION PLAN. SO THE BCDC IS THE BAY CONSERVATION AND DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION, WHICH IS SORT OF LIKE, UM, THE STATE COASTAL COMMISSION, BUT FOR THE BAY. SO THEY REGULATE, UH, EVERYTHING, UH, THAT GOES ALL THE WAY UP TO THE PETA RIVER. AND SO THE PETA RIVER IS UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF THIS BCDC PLAN. SO WE ARE REQUIRED TO CREATE A REGIONAL ADAPTATION PLAN FOR DEALING WITH SEA LEVEL RISE. AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THIS COMMISSION HAS ALREADY HAD A COUPLE PRESENTATIONS ON, UM, AND NOW IT'S A DIRECTIVE OF THE BCDC AND THEY HAVE A TOOLKIT AND THERE'S VARIOUS STRATEGIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THE, UM, THE TIMELINE TO DO THE PLAN, I THINK WE'LL DO IT FASTER THAN WHEN IT'S DUE. IT'S LIKE 2030 OR SOMETHING. UM, SO WE'RE DOING SOME OF IT RIGHT NOW AS PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN. THEY TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UM, WHERE NOT TO REBUILD, HOW TO REBUILD SMARTLY, YOU KNOW, HOW TO SORT OF DO THAT. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT THE MOST PLEASANT TOPIC, BUT THERE IS A TOOLKIT AND THERE IS A MANDATE NOW TO START THIS PLANNING. UM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY THE PLAN IS NOT EARTH SHATTERING FROM THE PETALUMA PERSPECTIVE. AND IF YOU HAD WATCHED ALL THE LIKE MAPS AND STUFF ON WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE, UM, I DO PERSONALLY THINK THE, THE WAY OUR MAPPING WAS DONE AND THE WAY THE BCDC MAPPING WAS DONE COULD USE A LITTLE BIT MORE THOUGHT. UM, IF YOU REMEMBER BACK TO ALL THE PRESENTATIONS ON THE SEA LEVEL RISE, THEY TALK ABOUT THE UPPER PLUM RIVER AND THEY TALK ABOUT THE BATHTUB, IF YOU REMEMBER THE BATHTUB, RIGHT? AND SO, UM, THE BATHTUB IS GONNA GET SUPER FULL AND THEN WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT. AND THEN THE BCDC IS NOT NECESSARILY MANAGING THIS BATHTUB EITHER. AND SO THERE'S A MISSING SPACE, UM, WHICH IS CRITICAL TO OUR WATERSHED, WHICH WE SHOULD, UH, BE MORE FOCUSED ON, BUT IT'S NOT IN OUR JURISDICTION, NOR IS IT NECESSARILY BBC DC'S FOCUS. SO, UM, YEAH, LOOK FORWARD TO OUR EVENTUAL WORK ON OUR REGIONAL SHORELINE ADAPTATION PLAN, UH, AS WELL AS, UM, YOU KNOW, MORE FOCUS ON THE TOPIC OF ADAPTATION AT THIS COMMITTEE. THANK YOU. OKAY. YES. UH, I WAS WONDERING IF I SHOULD GIVE LIKE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHAT CAPS IS SINCE IT'S COME OVER, COME UP A LOT NOW. WOULD YOU WANT ME TO OR NOT? OKAY. SO CAPS IS A NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION. IT'S CLIMATE ACTION PATHWAYS FOR SCHOOLS, AND BASICALLY, UH, THEY RECRUIT LIKE YOUTH INTERNS. AND THE GOAL IS, IS TO START TO TRY AND DECARBONIZE SOME OF OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT BASICALLY WORK WITH OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT TO REDUCE ENERGY COSTS AND CARBON EMISSIONS. SO THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ACROSS CALIFORNIA, I THINK IN A COUPLE DISTRICTS NOW. THEY'VE BEEN WORKING WITH PORTERVILLE FOR A WHILE. UH, THEY JUST STARTED IN PETALUMA LIKE LAST YEAR, I BELIEVE. AND SO WE'VE DONE SOME [00:45:01] RESEARCH ABOUT MORE SUSTAINABLE PLASTIC ALTERNATIVES TO SEE IF THEY ARE FEASIBLE TO REPLACE IN OUR SCHOOL CAFETERIAS. 'CAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, THERE'S LIKE A LOT OF PLASTIC FORKS AND WASTE GENERATED FROM OUR CAFETERIAS. AND WE'VE ALSO DONE RESEARCH ABOUT HOW MUCH ENERGY OUR SCHOOL, OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT USE USES. AND WE ARE UNDER THE CALIFORNIA BENCHMARK, WE'RE DOING BETTER, BUT WE CAN ALWAYS IMPROVE. SO RECENTLY WE'VE BEEN DOING, OR LAST WEEK WE DID A ENERGY AUDIT TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT KINDA LIGHTS ARE OUR SCHOOLS USING AND HOW THEY CAN BE IMPROVED OR CHANGED TO LEDS POSSIBLY. BUT YEAH. GREAT. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT. UM, AND I JUST HAVE, I DON'T HAVE MUCH OF A COMMENT, BUT I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF, UM, REQUESTS FOR, UM, THINGS TO GO ON. FUTURE AGENDAS REALLY ONE MAIN ONE, WHICH IS, UH, THE CITY'S WEBSITE. I THINK IT'S A MAJOR TOOL FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE BLUEPRINT FOR COMMUNICATING WITH THE COMMUNITY AND EACH OTHER. AND, UM, SO I, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AMONG THIS BODY, UM, TO SEE IF WE CAN'T MAKE A OFFICIAL RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL. YEP. OKAY. UH, JUST ONE MORE BIT. UM, I WAS AT ANOTHER, UH, SESSION, THE, THE NAPA SYMPOSIUM ON WATERSHEDS. AND THE, UH, SPEAKER ONE OF THE SPEAKERS WAS, UH, UH, ONE OF THE CHIEF SCIENTISTS IN, IN CALIFORNIA WATER RESOURCES. AND THERE'S A PLAN FOR ALL OF CALIFORNIA TO, UH, UH, MANAGE WATER BETTER FOR COLLECTING IT DURING OUR WINTER TIMES. SO, UH, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT USING AGRICULTURAL LANDS TO, UM, AS DRAINAGE BASINS FOR WHEN, WHEN THERE WAS HIGH AMOUNTS OF RAIN COMING IN, UM, AND ACTUALLY PROVIDING SOME, UM, UH, EASEMENT MONIES SO THAT THE AGREEMENTS WOULD BE MADE THAT THE, THAT, UH, GROWERS AND FARMERS WOULD, UM, PROVIDE THEIR LAND AND, AND GIVE ACCESS FOR FLOODING AND THEN HAVE THE WATER SINK IN, IN THEIR LANDS DOWN FOR THE, FOR THE GROUNDWATER. AND EVEN THOUGH THE CENTRAL VALLEY IS, IS A TARGET FOR THAT, UM, WE, WE HERE IN PETALUMA, OUR NORTH RIVER AREA MIGHT ALSO BE AN, SO ONE THING WE MAY WANNA INVESTIGATE IS WORKING WITH CALIFORNIA, UH, DEPARTMENT OF WATER RESOURCES TO SEE IF WE CAN GET OUR NORTHERN, UH, FIELDS, UM, TO, TO GET INTO THAT TYPE OF PROGRAM OR NOT. UM, BUT THAT'S, THAT PROGRAM'S JUST, UH, STILL IN, IN ITS, UH, STILL STARTS STAGE. SO IT MIGHT BE A GOOD TIME TO, TO INVESTIGATE THAT AS A POSSIBILITY WITH USING OUR NATURAL RESOURCES FOR FLOOD MANAGEMENT. INTERESTING. THANK YOU. UM, IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMISSION COMMENT? DID YOU FINISH THE LIST THAT YOU WERE GONNA DO? OH, THE OTHER ONE WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT HAD BEEN BROUGHT UP LAST MONTH THAT, THAT, UH, DID WE WANNA TALK ABOUT MOVING THIS MEETING EARLIER? IT WAS MORE OF A QUESTION. I DON'T, DID WE, THAT WAS GONNA BE ONE OF MY STAFF COMMENTS. OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMISSION COMMENT, THEN I'M GONNA CLOSE COMMISSION COMMENT AND [STAFF COMMENT] MOVE ON TO STAFF COMMENTS. I, I'VE ALREADY TEASED IT, SO I MIGHT AS WELL SAY IT. . UM, UM, I, I DID A RESEARCH OF THE, UM, ESTABLISHING ORDINANCE FOR THE COMMISSION AND IT, UH, DELEGATES THE AUTHORITY TO SET MEETING TIMES AND DATES TO THE COMMISSION. SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION CAN DO BY, UM, BY, UM, VOTE. UM, SO PREVIOUSLY THE, UM, TRANSIT ADVISORY COMMITTEE WAS HAPPENING BEFORE THIS MEETING. AND SO THAT'S WHY IT HAD A, YOU KNOW, NOT TO START BEFORE SIX O'CLOCK. UM, THAT'S MOVED TO ANOTHER DATE NOW. UM, SO THE COM I MEAN, OTHER COMMITTEES AND COMMISSIONS MEET AT FIVE O'CLOCK, SIX O'CLOCK. SO THERE'S OPTIONS FOR MEETING AT A DIFFERENT TIME. IF, UM, THE COMMISSION WANTS TO DO THAT. AND IF, IF YOU'D LIKE TO DISCUSS THAT, WE CAN'T MAKE A DECISION HERE 'CAUSE IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION, BUT IF YOU'D LIKE THAT, UM, FOR DISCUSSION AND POTENTIAL ACTION, WE CAN PUT THAT ON A FUTURE AGENDA. SO DO WE, IF I, IF I JUST SEE SOME THUMBS UP, THEN OKAY, THEN I'LL, WE'LL PUT THAT ON THE, THE NEXT AGENDA. OKAY. CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THAT? AS LONG AS IT'S NOT LIKE A DEBATE, BUT YES. A CLARIFYING QUESTION'S FINE. NO. UM, YEAH, THE, SO I BELIEVE TRANSIT THAT MET EARLIER THAN US, DID THEY MEET AT FOUR OR FOUR 30? UM, PREVIOUSLY, I THINK THEY STARTED, THEY WENT FROM FOUR TO SIX IS KIND OF THE TIME SLOT THAT THEY HAD. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE STARTED AT SIX 30. [00:50:01] SO THEORETICALLY WE COULD EVEN, IT COULD BE EARLIER. I MEAN, WE HAVE YOUTH COMMISSIONERS, SO GETTING HERE AFTER SCHOOL AT FOUR O'CLOCK MIGHT BE DIFFICULT, BUT, AND, AND OTHER PEOPLE'S, YOU KNOW, JOBS MIGHT BE DIFFICULT TOO, BUT WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WHEN IT COMES UP. OKAY. AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO DEB FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE COMMENTS. YEAH, I JUST HAVE TWO ITEMS. UM, ONE IS TO JUST, I, UH, HOPEFULLY YOU GUYS HAVE HEARD BY NOW IF YOU HAVEN'T, THAT THE, UH, CALIFORNIA AIR RESOURCES BOARD HAS THEIR NEW E-BIKE INCENTIVE PROJECT THAT'S LAUNCHING NEXT WEEK ON THE 18TH. IT IS FOR INCOME, QUALIFY QUALIFIED INDIVIDUALS. UH, AND SO THAT BASICALLY MEANS IT'S, UM, FOR PEOPLE THAT HAVE A INCOME OF 300% OF FEDERAL POVERTY LEVEL, UH, WHICH IS REALLY GREAT. SO WE'VE, UH, BEEN SPREADING IT, UH, FAR AND WIDE AS MUCH AS WE CAN. WE RECOMMEND THAT ALL OF YOU DO AS WELL. IT'S A $2,000 POINT OF SALE INCENTIVE. IT IS A VERY, UH, STEPPED THROUGH PROCESS SHOWING, UM, UH, AGE AND PROOF OF RESIDENCY, THAT INCOME QUALIFICATION. THEY HAVE SOME, UH, THEY LAY IT OUT REALLY, REALLY CLEAR ON THE WEBSITE, HOW TO DEMONSTRATE ALL OF THIS. THERE'S AN ONLINE APPLICATION AND AN A VIDEO, UH, TO WATCH. AND THEN, UH, WE IMAGINE IT'S GONNA GO FAIRLY QUICKLY, BUT IT'S GONNA BE RELEASED. THEY'RE GONNA RELEASE THEM. UM, EVERY, I I THINK IT'S EVERY TWO MONTHS THEY'LL BE RELEASING THE NEXT BATCH, BUT ANYONE WHO DIDN'T GET THE FIRST BATCH ROLLS OVER TO THE SECOND BATCH. UH, AND SO, UH, YEAH, JUST MAKE SURE THAT YOU SHARE THAT WITH, UH, THE COMMUNITY IF YOU KNOW THAT. AND IF YOU DIDN'T GET, UM, I CAN SEND YOU ALL AN EMAIL IF YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT YOU WANNA SEND IT TO, I'LL MAKE SURE TO SEND THAT OUT. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER ITEM, I JUST WANNA HIGHLIGHT WHAT NATASHA POINTED OUT, WHICH IS THE MAY 4TH EVENT. UH, IT'S A GREAT, UH, WORKSHOP OPPORTUNITIES AS RELATES TO THE BLUEPRINT AND THE EDUCATION ELEMENTS THAT YOU ALL SEE. SO WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING FOR SPEAKERS AND DIFFERENT WAYS TO THINK ABOUT DOING WORKSHOPS. SO I JUST WANNA PLANT THAT SEED AS AN ITEM FOR YOU ALL TO CONSIDER AS YOU'RE WORKING THROUGH YOUR, UH, AD HOCS AND WAYS THAT WE CAN EDUCATE THE PUBLIC FOR THAT EVENT. SO, AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE. GREAT. ARE DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I HAVE, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE CERCO IS THAT, SO THE CICO PROJECT IS, UM, THEY'VE PRESENTED THEIR FINDINGS TO US AND THEY'VE GIVEN US DOLLAR AMOUNTS, AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'D FINANCE THAT. SO THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, COMBINATION OF DIFFERENT, UM, ON BILL FINANCING. SOME OF THE MEASURES WOULD WORK FOR THAT. UM, BUT THERE, THE HVAC IS NOT ON BILL FINANCING AND THAT'S TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS. AND SO WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW THAT WOULD BE FINANCED LOAN PROGRAM. YEAH, I MEAN THERE'S, YEAH, WE'VE, WE'VE LOOKED AT DIFFERENT MEASURES, UM, LIKE INFRASTRUCTURE BANK, UM, THERE'S, THERE'S DIFFERENT LOAN PROGRAMS ON THAT. UM, OUR FINANCE TEAM IS REALLY HOPING FOR SOMETHING LIKE IN THE ONE TO 2% RANGE, AND A LOT OF 'EM ARE FOUR PLUS PERCENT. SO WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO FIND OTHER ALTERNATIVE FINANCING MEASURES. OKAY. UM, THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR COMING. THANKS TO THE CITY STAFF, UM, COMMISSIONERS AND THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS FOR JOINING US TODAY. AND WITH THAT, WE'RE JOINED AT EIGHT 10. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.