[CALL TO ORDER]
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OUR CALL TO ORDER WILL BE AT 6 0 5 AND FOR OUR ROLL CALL, LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE EVERYONE IN ATTENDANCE.
MYSELF AND DIETRICH COMMISSIONER? HERE.
AND COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLY HERE.
[GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT]
WITH THAT.UH, WE DO HAVE SOME GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, SO THESE ARE, UH, TO BE KEPT TO THREE PER PERSON.
SO I WILL, UH, YOU CAN RUN A TIMER FOR THAT.
UM, IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE THREE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS AND THEN ONE, UM, WHEN WE GET TO THE TITLE 16 DISCUSSION.
SO, UM, MR. ASHTON, YOU HAD MARKED BOTH, YOU'RE JUST TITLE 16 OR YOU HAVE A GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AS WELL? BOTH.
JUST MAKING, AND YOU, DAN DID MENTION THAT TO ME, JUST MAKING SURE I UNDERSTOOD.
SO WE HAVE FOUR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS.
UM, AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED WITH THE TOP OF MY PILE HERE, UH, WHICH IS RON, MR. RING.
UH, I CAN HEAR YOU JUST FINE, BUT
CHAIR MEMBERS OF, UH,
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THANK YOU.UM, SO JUST AS A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, IT IS LISTED AS AN OPERATIONAL ITEM IN THE MANAGER'S REPORT, SO IF YOU STICK AROUND, I'M SURE THERE'LL BE SOMETHING ON IT LATER.
AND, UH, MR. KURTZ, I WOULD SEE WHAT TIME TOMORROW.
UH, YOU'RE BOTH ALLOWED YOUR THREE MINUTES.
WE, YOU ARE AT, WE ARE AT OUR MAX REPUBLIC COMMENT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW.
ALL RIGHT, MR. ASHTON, AND THIS IS YOUR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA.
WE'LL SAVE YOUR TITLE 16 COMMENT FOR LATER.
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SORRY, SORRY TO INTERRUPT.UM, TIME, DO YOU WANT TO YIELD YOUR TIME OR, YEAH.
I WAS AT THE PREVIOUS AIRPORT, SO I HAVE A LOT OF SKIN IN THE GAME.
I PAY PROPERTY TAXES, HANGAR TAXES.
MY EMPLOYER PAYS TAXES ON PAYROLL.
I THANK YOU AND I, AND WOULD APPRECIATE IF I COULD, UM, BE A PART OF ANY, ANY COMMITTEE.
YEAH, AND THE COMMISSION IS ALLOWED TO ASK CLARIFYING QUESTIONS, BUT WE AREN'T ALLOWED TO ENGAGE IN DISCUSSIONS IF ANYONE HAS A CLARIFYING QUESTION.
ARE THEY, I THINK I'VE SEEN THE ONE FOR YOU, KAYA.
THEY'RE, ARE THEY AT THE AIRPORT? SO IS THAT WHERE THE PILOTS, EVERYONE'S PICKING THEM UP OR? YEAH, GENERALLY SPEAKING, UH, WHEN YOU FLY OUT TO AN AIRPORT, YOU'LL FIND 'EM IN THE ADMIN OFFICE AT THE VARIOUS AIRPORTS AND OR IN FLIGHT SCHOOLS.
I KNOW WHENEVER I FLY OUT TO AN AIRPORT, I'LL PICK UP A STACK OF 'EM, BRING THEM BACK TO OUR FLIGHT SCHOOL TO HAND OUT.
SO THEY'RE GENERALLY AVAILABLE, UM, WHEREVER YOU TRAVEL TO.
UH, THERE'S A FOLLOW UP QUESTION.
HAVE YOU, LIKE MOST OF 'EM WILL HAVE, HAVE A WEBSITE.
ARE THEY ALSO EMBEDDED OR A PART OF THE WEBSITE WHERE WE COULD PROBABLY PICK IT UP? SO IF YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY, WITH THE ADVENT OF THE WEB, WE SHOULD HAVE, YOU
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KNOW, A DOCUMENT ON THERE WITH THIS INFORMATION.AND I, YOU KNOW, I SEE WE HAVE A, OKAY.
I APPRECIATE THE ENGAGEMENT FROM EVERYBODY TAKING THE TIME TO COME OUT AND A REALLY CRUMMY NIGHT AND, AND TALK TO US ABOUT YOUR CONCERNS, REALLY, REALLY DO.
UM, DO WE HAVE ANY PRESENTATIONS THIS EVENING? NO.
SO OUR NEXT, OH, JUST WONDERING IF I CAN, DID WE, IS THAT ON, IS THAT GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT OR IS THAT TITLE 16? YEAH.
YEAH, NO, YOU GET YOU THREE MINUTES.
THANK YOU FOR, FOR CALLING THAT OUT.
I WILL ASK THIS TIME, INSTEAD OF ASSUMING THAT I HAVE EVERYONE, ARE WE, EVERYONE THAT WANTED TO TALK ABOUT ITEMS THAT ON THE AGENDA HAS GOTTEN TO OKAY, GOOD.
SO NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO APPROVAL
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
OF THE MINUTES.UM, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY CORRECTIONS OR ADDITIONS, EDITS TO THE DRAFT MINUTES THAT WERE PROVIDED? ALL RIGHT.
CAN I GET A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES? SO MOVED SECOND.
THANK YOU, CLAUDIA, FOR DOING THAT.
[PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION]
ARE ON TO TITLE 16.UM, SO I BELIEVE WE TAKE COMMENTS ON THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE AGENDA ITEM.
SO THAT WOULD MEAN, MARK, YOU ARE BACK UP.
UM, TITLE 16, UH, WORKED ON THIS MYSELF WHEN I WAS ON THE COMMISSION A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO.
HAD INPUT BEFORE I WAS ON THE COMMISSION, UM, PRIOR, WORKED WITH THE WORKING GROUP, THE SUB COMMITTEE THAT WORKED ON THIS.
SO FOR ME, IT'S LIKE, HALLELUJAH,
SO I JUST HAD JUST A COUPLE OF NOTES.
I HAD A QUICK, QUICK LOOK THROUGH HERE.
UM, GLAD TO SEE THAT YOU DELETED THE PART ABOUT BASE FLIGHT INSTRUCTORS.
SAW THAT AS BEING, UH, VERY UNFAIR.
JUST THIS IS MORE OF A QUESTION THAN ANYTHING, UM, STATING THAT DOGS NEED TO BE ON A LEASH OR THE OTHER VERBIAGE UNDER CONTROL, CONFINED IN SUCH A MANNER AS TO BE UNDER CONTROL.
I WAS WONDERING WHAT THAT EXACT PHRASEOLOGY MEANS.
THE REASON I BRING THAT UP, THERE'S A NUMBER OF DOGS THAT ARE WON'T FIT THIS BILL WHATSOEVER.
AND THERE'S, THERE'S ONE DOG IN PARTICULAR, UM, THAT, UM, I HAVE DOGS.
UM, I WOULD SAY THAT THIS DOG IS THREATENING AND THE OWNER WALKS IT OFF LEASH AND HE SAYS, OH, IT'S UNDER MY CONTROL, BUT IT'S JUST LIKE, GIVE ME THE IES.
UM, JUST A COUPLE OTHER THINGS HERE.
UM, OH, MIDFIELD OR INTERSECTION TAKEOFFS PROHIBITED.
UM, I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS POSTED, UM, PERHAPS ON OUR NOISE ABATEMENT SIGNS.
THE INCIDENT THAT WE HAD A WEEK OR SO AGO, UM, WAS OUT OF TWO AIRCRAFT PARTY, UM, INTERSECTIONAL, RIGHT? AND THERE WAS SOME INTERPLAY
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WITH AN AIRPLANE THAT WAS AT THE DEPARTURE END OF THE RUNWAY.SO, UM, I THINK THIS NEEDS TO BE WHERE PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY SEE IT AND UNDERSTAND.
UH, WE USED TO HAVE SIGNAGE, UM, SOME, SOME INDEPENDENT SIGNS THAT SAID, NO INTERSECTION TAKEOFFS.
BUT IT SEEMS LIKE WE NEED TO GET THIS OUT.
FOR ME, IT'S ALL ABOUT EDUCATION.
PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THIS.
UM, THAT'S A CAUSE FOR CONCERN.
AND THEN I'M DOWN HERE TO, UM, UH, 1620 DASH ZERO ZERO.
AND THERE'S A COMMENT IN HERE ABOUT AIRPORT FACILITY DIRECTORY, WHY YOU'RE CLEANING THIS WHOLE MESS UP.
IT'S ACTUALLY TECHNICALLY NOW THE CHART SUPPLEMENT.
SO IF YOU'RE CLEANING UP VERBIAGE AND SO ON AND SO FORTH, YOU MIGHT WANNA LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE IT'S NO LONGER CALLED AIRPORT FACILITY HERE.
SO THOSE ARE THE JUST LITTLE COMMENTS I HAD THERE.
GLAD TO SEE THAT THIS THING IS, UH, IS DONE.
ANYONE HAVE ANY, ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS FOR MARK? THANK YOU.
UM, SO YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE USED TO BE MARKINGS FOR NO INTERSECTION TAKEOFFS WERE THE, WAS THAT SIGNAGE THAT HAD SIGNAGE? THERE WAS A LOW, UH, SIGN, PROBABLY A, A FOOT BY FOUR FEET.
IT WAS A WHITE BACKGROUND WITH GREEN LETTERING AND OUTLINED IN GREEN.
IT WAS BEFORE YOU GOT TO WHAT I THINK WOULD NOW BE ALPHA FOUR, UM, ALONG THE TAXIWAY ALPHA, ALONG THE TAXIWAY, UHHUH
AND IT SAID NO INTERSECTION, TAKEOFFS, AND A SIMILAR ONE AT THE OTHER END.
SO LAST MONTH WE JUST, UH, ROLLED UP OUR SLEEVES AND SED THROUGH.
UM, I BELIEVE ALL OF THE CHANGES FROM THAT CONVERSATION HAVE BEEN INCORPORATED IN THE DRAFT THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED TONIGHT.
UM, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE DO THE SAME THING AND ROLL UP OUR SLEEVES AND SLOG THROUGH ONE MORE TIME.
IF, IF EVERYONE'S AMENABLE TO THAT, UM, HOPEFULLY IT'LL BE ABLE TO GO A LITTLE BIT MORE QUICKLY GIVEN THAT, UH, A LOT OF THIS WAS ALREADY DISCUSSED LAST MONTH.
UM, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE GET IT RIGHT AND WE CATCH THINGS.
AND ALEX, ESPECIALLY FOR, FOR YOU, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS SINCE YOU WEREN'T PART OF THE LAST SLOG
I TEND TO GET ON A ROLL, BUT I WELCOME INTERRUPTION
WE HAD A FEW ADDITIONS BASED ON OUR CONVERSATION LAST TIME TERMS THAT WERE MENTIONED IN THE DOCUMENT THAT HADN'T BEEN, UH, CAPTURED IN THE DEFINITION SECTION.
UM, AFTER WE GET DONE ACCEPTING ALL THE CHANGES, WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, I ACTUALLY GOT THE LETTERS RE-LET CORRECTLY, BUT, UH, I THINK, I THINK THEY'RE PRETTY GOOD.
UM, THE, UH, WE ADDED, I THINK, PUBLIC AND PRIVATE AFTER THE LAST TIME AND TRANSIENT AIRCRAFT.
UM, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY, DID ANYONE CATCH ANYTHING ELSE ON THE TERMINOLOGY THAT WE MISSED OR HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ABOUT THE DEFINITIONS AS PROPOSED HEREIN RIGHT NOW? ALL RIGHT.
UM, THE NEXT EDIT THAT WE HAVE, UH, AND AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE, IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO FIGURE OUT TO, TO HAVE THE CHANGES BASED OFF OF THE LAST MEETING REFLECTED DIFFERENTLY THAN THE CHANGES BASED OFF OF OUR FIRST CUT THROUGH.
SO I APOLOGIZE THAT THERE'S A LOT OF, MAYBE WE'VE TALKING ABOUT THINGS TWICE.
UM, JUST TRYING TO REPRESENTATIVE OF A THEME THAT WE WERE TRYING TO PROPAGATE THROUGH THE WHOLE DOCUMENT OF THAT THE, THE FEDERAL REGULATIONS DO TAKE PRECEDENT OVER ANYTHING THAT'S IN HERE IN CASE WE DID MISS SOMETHING AND THERE WAS A POINT OF CONFLICTION, UM, THAT THE FARS DO SUPERSEDE TITLE 16.
UM, SO THAT'S REFLECTED THERE.
THAT'S REFLECTED IN, IN OH FOUR 30.
UM, THE NEXT, UH, REVISION, UM, IS OH 4, 0 30 DELTA WAS AN ADDITION.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD A CHALLENGE WITH IN OUR FIRST READ THROUGH OF THIS, ESPECIALLY FOR MYSELF COMING INTO THIS
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NOT HAVING, HAD THE HISTORY OF WORKING WITH THIS DOCUMENT PREVIOUSLY, WAS FINDING SOME OF THE OTHER RELEVANT PIECES OF THE PEDAL PETAL MUNICIPAL CODE.UM, SO ADDING REFERENCES TO THAT TO MAKE THAT JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE USER FRIENDLY.
UM, WE DID NOT HAVE, WE HAD THE DELETION, UM, OF THE, THE BASE FLIGHT INSTRUCTORS, UM, THE ANIMALS AT AIRPORT.
UH, THAT WAS NOT AN EDIT IN OUR LAST, UM, EFFORT HERE.
UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THAT LANGUAGE THAT MUST BE RESTRAINED BY LEASH OR CONFINED IN SUCH A MANNER TO AS TO BE UNDER CONTROL IS FAIRLY COMMON VERBIAGE FOR REQUIREMENTS ON ANIMALS AND, AND DOGS SPECIFICALLY.
UM, BUT IF THERE WAS ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT, OR, OR MAYBE IF OUR COUNCIL LIAISON HAS ANY OTHER RELEVANT EXPERIENCE AND OTHER PORTIONS OF THE MUNICIPAL CODE
IF, IF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD LIKE TO ENGAGE IN THAT.
UM, IF IT'S A QUESTION OF ENFORCEMENT RATHER THAN VERBIAGE, IT'S PROBABLY OUTTA SCOPE OF THIS CONVERSATION.
BUT I, I GUESS WHAT I WOULD, WHAT I WOULD SAY IN TERMS WITH MARK, IF, IF, UH, SOMEBODY SAYS THE, MY ANIMALS UNDER CONTROL, BUT THERE'S THE OTHER PERSON DOESN'T FEEL THAT THAT ANIMAL IS UNDER CONTROL, IS THERE, SHOULD WE PUT SOME SORT OF RECOURSE AS TO, IN MARK'S CASE, WHERE HE COULD, HE COULD, IS IT, DOES IT GO TO DAN AND THEN, OR, OR WHATEVER.
SO THERE'S SOME SORT OF RECOURSE.
'CAUSE THEN IT'S, YOU KNOW, UNDER CONTROL IS VERY, VERY VAGUE.
AND WHAT I MAY THINK IS CONTROL, YOU MAY NOT, BUT WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, BUT IT SHOULD ALWAYS FALL TO THE LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR THAT IF I'M THE ONE WHO'S UNCOMMON WITH THE CONTROL OF YOUR DOG, THEN YOU NEED TO PUT IT ON A LEASE.
BUT WHO IS GONNA BE, IF YOU WILL, THE REFEREE WHO'S GOING TO, WHERE'S, WHERE'S THE, THE RECOURSE AND WHO DOES THAT GO TO? YEAH.
THAT, THAT MIGHT BE AN AREA FOR, FOR FURTHER STUDY IF WE FEEL LIKE WE, WE WANNA PUMP THE BRAKES HERE,
OTHERWISE, I, I, I DO THINK THAT, UM, IT, IT FEELS LIKE AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE TO ME.
I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE ANYTHING AWAY FROM THE CONCERN.
UM, BUT I, I DON'T WANNA HOLD UP THE PROCESS EITHER IF IT'S, IF IT'S AN ENFORCEMENT, NOT A LANGUAGE MATTER.
AND, AND WE COULD TALK ABOUT ADDING ENFORCEMENT TO ALL OF THIS AS A SEPARATE PIECE.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANTED TO GO THERE.
I, WELL, I THINK IT PROBABLY JUST A SIMPLE STATEMENT THAT ANY CONCERNS WITH SHOULD BE ADDRESSED WITH TO THE AIRPORT MANAGER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I THINK YOU CAN DO IT SIMPLY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO REWRITE ONE PIECE, BUT THEN THERE'S AT LEAST A PATH.
I MEAN, ENFORCEMENT'S COVERED IN 16 3 6 0 1 0 IN THE, AT THE VERY END.
UM, NOT SAYING SPECIFICALLY, BUT UM, IT REFERENCES TITLE ONE OF THE PETAL MUNICIPAL CODE.
SO, I MEAN, I WOULD IMAGINE THERE THAT COULD FALL UNDER, UH, CERTAIN ANIMAL CONTROL ISSUES AS WELL THAT ARE ALREADY EXISTING.
DAN, IF WE LEAVE THIS IN AS VAGUE AS IT IS, DOES THAT GIVE YOU SUFFICIENT? DO YOU FEEL THAT'S SUFFICIENT SO THAT YOU COULD ENFORCE IF SOMEONE'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH DOGS NOT BEING MONITORED, NOT BEING CONTROLLED? YES.
I THINK JUST REFERENCING THE EXISTING MUNICIPAL CODE IS SUFFICIENT.
UM, AND WE WOULD USE THAT ANYWHERE WITHIN THE PETAL OF CITY LIMITS, INCLUDING THE AIRPORT.
SO, UM, UH, I GUESS THE, TO YOUR QUESTION, IS THAT ENOUGH? SURE, ABSOLUTELY.
OR DO WE NEED TO RESTRAIN THEM TO HANGERS AND VEHICLES? WELL, YEAH, AND I, I, THERE WAS A COMMENT, UM, EARLIER ABOUT, UM, IT'D BE A PARTICULAR ANIMAL, AND THAT'S PROBABLY ANOTHER CONVERSATION THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN WITH THAT PARTICULAR TENANT.
OVERALL, THAT DOESN'T TEND TO BE AN ISSUE.
BUT, UM, THERE ARE A COUPLE ANIMALS THAT OCCASIONALLY ARE LET LOOSE, EVEN THOUGH THEY STAY AROUND THEIR HANGAR, FOR THE MOST PART, THEY DO SOMETHING TO WANDER MM-HMM
A LEASH IS REQUIRED TECHNICALLY, HOWEVER, AS MANY, MANY OF OUR RESIDENTS DON'T FOLLOW THAT.
IT IS, IT IS TOUGH TO ENFORCE, BUT, UM, WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD HAVE ALL ANIMALS ON LEASHES, UM, AND RESTRAINED.
IT DOESN'T JUST SAY UNDER VOICE CONTROL.
AND I KNOW A LOT OF THE DOG PARK LANGUAGE SPECIFIES VOICE CONTROL VERSUS LEASH NOT CONFINED.
SO I WOULD READ THIS AS THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE EITHER BE IN A CRATE OR ON A LEASH, OR BEHIND A CLOSED DOOR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT INSIDE A HANGAR WHERE THE DOOR IS CLOSED.
SO I ACTUALLY WOULD, I ACTUALLY WOULD SAY THAT VOICE CONTROL WOULDN'T SATISFY THIS PER MY READ, BUT THAT'S JUST ME.
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THE, THE ISSUE OF, UH, WHEN TENANTS ARE WALKING THEIR ANIMALS, JUST A VERBAL, UM, RESTRAINT, I DON'T THINK IS SUFFICIENT GIVEN.UM, WELL, MAYBE THAT'S ANOTHER EDUCATION AREA WHERE WE CAN POINT OUT THAT IT ACTUALLY SAYS CONFINED, NOT JUST UNDER VOICE CONTROL
UM, SO UNLESS, UM, IF WE FIND OTHER THINGS THAT WE WANT TO PUT THIS BACK THROUGH ANOTHER REVISION PROCESS, WE CAN BOOKMARK THAT TO COME BACK TO, TO MAYBE BEEF UP THAT LANGUAGE.
BUT AS IT STANDS, I DO BELIEVE IT COVERS THE ISSUE.
AND IT'S A EDUCATION AND ENFORCEMENT QUESTION, NOT A LANGUAGE IN THE TITLE 16 QUESTION.
SO, UM, BUT WE APPRECIATE IT BEING BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION.
SO WE HAVE SOME EDITS TO 16 0 4, 1 20 CONTRACT PERMIT REQUIRED TO CONDUCT COMMERCIAL BUSINESS.
UM, I BELIEVE THIS WAS TIDIED UP A LITTLE BIT BETWEEN THIS MEETING AND LAST MEETING, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THERE WAS ANY MATERIAL CHANGE THERE.
UM, BUT IF FOLKS WANNA GIVE THAT A QUICK LOOK.
16 0 4 1 30 REPORTING OF ACCIDENTS.
UH, WE DID, AGAIN, IN THE THEME OF BRINGING IN THE FEDERAL LEVEL REQUIREMENTS, WE DID ADD, UH, COMPLIANCE WITH NTSB AND FAA REPORTING REQUIREMENTS THERE.
UM, CLEANED THAT UP A LITTLE BIT AND, AND ADDED FAA FROM WHERE IT HAD BEEN.
UM, FEW OTHER REFERENCES TO OTHER PARTS OF THE MUNICIPAL CODE.
AND THEN, UH, ONE OF THE AREAS THAT I BELIEVE WE DISCUSSED LAST TIME, UH, THAT HAS, I THINK IT'S EITHER THIS ONE OR THE FOLLOWING SECTION THAT WE EDITED.
UM, 16 0 4 1 90, THE SPECIAL EVENTS PERMIT, AND THE APPEALS PROCESS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
SO IN OH 4 1 90, UH, INDIGO, UH, WE HAVE THE LAST SENTENCE OR TWO IS IN ADDITION, UM, CALLING IN CHAPTER ONE OF THE PETAL, THE MUNICIPAL CODE.
UM, AND USING LANGUAGE THAT IT BE HEARD IN A TIMELY FASHION BY THIS BODY, UM, AT OUR DISCRETION.
UM, AND THAT, THAT HEARING MUST BE AGENDIZED.
SO JUST KIND OF INSERTING SOME OF OUR EXISTING PROCESSES FOR TRANSPARENCY THERE.
UM, DOES ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS OR EDITS FOR THAT? UH, EDIT TO, TO PARAGRAPH I AND JUST FOR EVERYONE'S AWARENESS, WE DID TAKE THAT TO CITY ATTORNEY AND THEY SENT IT RIGHT BACK TO US
SO, UM, SEEMS TO, SEEMS TO FIT THE BILL, BUT STILL OPEN TO TO DISCUSSION THERE.
UM, AND THEN THE SUBSEQUENT PARAGRAPH OH FOUR 200, THE LAST PARAGRAPH ALSO HAS, UH, SOME, UH, APPEALS LANGUAGE IN IT THAT WAS IN HERE PRIOR TO OUR EDITING OF THIS.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES THAT THAT CAME TO US.
UM, AND SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT FOR THE EVENTS VERSUS FOR THE SPECIAL PERMITS.
SO IT WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
AND I, I, I DON'T HAVE PERSONALLY ANY HEARTBURN WITH THE DIFFERENCE BECAUSE THEY ARE DIFFERENT THINGS AND OPERATING ON DIFFERENT TIMELINES.
MOVING TO CHAPTER 1608 MOTOR VEHICLES.
UM, I BELIEVE THIS WAS STABLE BETWEEN, UH, OH 8 1 0 1 WAS STABLE BETWEEN THE LAST TWO MEETINGS.
UM, WE HAVE SOME ADDITIONS ON CONSISTENCY, UH, WITH THE, UH, DEFINITION OF MOTOR VEHICLE WITH FA ADVISORY CIRCULAR, AND A LITTLE BIT OF SIMPLIFICATION OF THE MOVEMENT AREA.
PARAGRAPH, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, 16 0 8 20.
UM, THAT WAS AN EDIT THAT WE DID LAST TIME.
UH, 16 0 8 20 ALPHA ONE, UH, WAS SIMPLIFIED FAIRLY SIGNIFICANTLY.
AGAIN, LOOKING FOR SIGNAGE AND, AND NOTIFICATION.
OH EIGHT 30 IS ANOTHER REFERENCE TO RELEVANT ADVISORY CIRCULAR MATERIAL.
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UM, CHAPTER 1612, A FEW, UH, EDITORIAL FIXES THERE WITH TITLES THAT HAD A COPY PASTE ERROR.UM, GETTING THOSE, THAT LANGUAGE CONSISTENT WITH OUR TERMINOLOGY.
SECTION 16, 12 0 5 OH, SPECIFYING ACTIVE TAXIWAY AREAS, NOT JUST ANY TAXIWAY AREA.
16, 12 0 7 OH START UP AND RUNUP OF AIRCRAFT.
UH, LITTLE BIT OF REWORK OF THE LAST SENTENCE IN THAT PARAGRAPH ON ENGINE RUN-UPS LANGUAGE CLEANUP IN 12 0 8 0 16, 16, 10 AIRCRAFT TAXING FOR TAKEOFF, UH, SPECIFYING THAT ALL AIRCRAFT PREPARING TO TAKEOFF SHALL TAXI TO THE END OF THE RUNWAY FOR TAKEOFF, UH, REMOVED VIA THE TAXIWAY LANGUAGE, BECAUSE WE HAVE, UM, TAXI LANES.
THANK YOU, AS WELL AS TAXIWAYS.
UM,
THE FAR AIM, UM, HEARD IN COMMENT, UH, THAT 16, 20 20, UH, CHARLIE, UH, THAT THE FA AIRPORT FACILITY DIRECTORY IS NOW THE FAA AIRPORT CHART SUPPLEMENT.
I BELIEVE WE CAN DO THAT WITHOUT HAVING TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN.
WE CAN JUST UPDATE THAT, UM, TO REFLECT THE CURRENT NAME OF THAT RESOURCE.
UM, THIS WOULD ALSO POTENTIALLY BE, IF WE, IF WE WANTED TO CODIFY PROVIDING A PAPER SUPPLEMENT IN ADDITION TO THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE WEBSITE CURRENCY, THIS WOULD BE THE PLACE TO DO IT.
UM, WE CERTAINLY CAN PROVIDE THE PAPER SUPPLEMENT WITHOUT HAVING IT BE IN HERE.
UM, I'M GENERALLY A LESS IS MORE FAN ON REQUIREMENTS.
UM, SO WHILE I THINK THAT'S A FANTASTIC IDEA, I, I DON'T THINK IT'S ESSENTIAL THAT IT END UP IN HERE.
UM, BUT I'M OPEN TO CONVERSATION ON THAT IF FOLKS WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
SO WE'LL LET THAT STAND AS IS IN THE TITLE 16 DRAFT, UM, WITH AN EXPECTATION THAT WE'LL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION FROM AN IMPLEMENTATION PERSPECTIVE.
SO 16 20 20 CHARLIE IS WHERE WE'LL CHANGE THE NAME OF THAT RESOURCE.
UM, I DON'T BELIEVE WE MADE ANY CHANGES TO 1624 BETWEEN THE LAST TIME WE LOOKED AT THINGS, OR 1628.
THE, THE LAST PAGE IS CHAPTER 1628.
16 28, 1 21, PORTABLE FIRE EXTINGUISHERS.
UM, WE DISCUSSED, UH, THAT LANGUAGE AND, UM, THERE WERE SOME MINOR EDITS BETWEEN WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST MONTH AND WHAT'S IN HERE NOW.
UM, I, I BELIEVE WE'VE CAPTURED THE INTENT OF THAT CONVERSATION, BUT PLEASE, PLEASE REVIEW.
I'M AT AIRCRAFT SYSTEMS. UM, I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAD, UH, ANY REVISIONS BASED ON OUR PREVIOUS CONVERSATION.
UM, DID WE WANT TO REVISIT ANY OF THE, THE REFERENCES THERE? UM, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME TURNOVER IN TERMS OF CURRENT, UM, ORDERS.
WE REMOVED ORDERS 71 10 99 AS THAT HAD BEEN CANCELED AND HADN'T HAVE AN AC IN THERE INSTEAD.
UM, BUT JUST WANNA PAUSE ON THERE, 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT'S A TOPIC THAT COMES UP FOR CONVERSATION EVERY NOW AND AGAIN.
SO MAKE SURE WE'RE STILL COMFORTABLE
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WITH, ARE YOU REFERRING TO 1632 IN GENERAL? YES.IF THERE'S ANYTHING IN 1632 THAT, THAT WE'D LIKE TO DISCUSS, UM, UM, I WAS JUST LOOKING AT OTHER SMALL AIRPORTS ONLINE INFORMATION, AND SOME OF THEM, I THINK, IS IT PART, IS IT 1 0 7 FOR UNMANNED? YEAH.
AERO SYSTEMS, THEY ACTUALLY HAD A LINK TO THE ENTIRE FAA DOCUMENT.
AND I'M WONDERING IF WE SHOULD REFERENCE THAT HERE.
YOU KNOW, WHERE IT SAYS, UM, FOLLOW RIGHT AWAY RULES APPLICABLE TO ITS OPERATIONS AND REFERENCE THAT DOCUMENT.
I BELIEVE WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING, WE WERE TRYING TO STAY AWAY FROM IMPLICATIONS THAT THIS ONLY APPLIED TO SMALL UUA S AND PART 1 0 7 IS ONLY APPLICABLE TO SMALL UAS, UM, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT COULDN'T BE LINKED WITH APPROPRIATE APPLICABILITY.
UM, IT'S STILL, IT'S STILL A VERY VALUABLE REFERENCE.
UM, IT'S JUST NOT THE ONLY REFERENCE.
I JUST THINK IT'D BE, IT MIGHT BE MAYBE, YOU KNOW, FOR SMALL UAS REFER TO FAA AND PART 1 0 7 ALSO APPLIES ONLY TO COMMERCIAL UAS AS WELL.
WELL, STILL IT'S MORE THAN NOTHING
AND I, I, UNLESS THERE'S ANY OBJECTIONS, I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH INCLUDING THAT AS A REFERENCE.
WE JUST WANNA BE CAREFUL WITH THE LANGUAGE TO NOT MAKE IT THE ONLY REFERENCE.
SO THAT GETS US TO THE END OF THE DOCUMENT.
UM, I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE MYSELF AND BASED ON OTHER SIMILAR ACTIVITIES THAT I'VE DONE OVER THE YEARS, GOING AHEAD AND ASKING FOR A MOTION FOR APPROVAL, GIVEN THAT WE ONLY HAVE TWO SMALL EDITS.
UM, SO IT WOULD BE A, AN APPROVAL CONTINGENT ON THOSE ADDITIONS, UM, THOSE ADDITIONS BEING RENAMING FAS AIRPORT FACILITY DIRECTORY, AND ADDING, UM, A LINK TO, UH, FAR 1 0 7 IN, UH, 16 32 0 4 OH, YEAH.
OR SMALL UAS, UM, IS THAT PROCEDURALLY SOMETHING THAT, THAT, UM, WE'RE OKAY DOING AT THIS POINT? SURE.
JUST, I'M JUST NEED A MOTION TO, UM, TO CARRY THAT FORWARD TO THE, UH, OKAY.
DOES ANYONE WANT TO MAKE, UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, THE TITLE 16 REVISIONS CONTINGENT UPON THE, UH, EDITS THAT COMMISSIONER DIETRICH DIETRICH REP, UM, MENTIONED.
AND, AND FOR THE, THE NOTES IT'S 16 20, 0, 20 CHARLIE, AND, UH, 16 32 0 4 OH.
SO WE'RE CORRECTING THE REFERENCE IN 2020, CHARLIE, AND WE'RE ADDING A REFERENCE TO 14 CFR 1 0 7 IN 32 0 4.
THAT'S, THAT'S A LOT OF EFFORT RIGHT THERE.
UM, SO WE'LL GET, UH, THOSE TWO THINGS TIDIED UP AND GET THE FINAL, UH, NON REDLINED VERSION, UM, PACKAGED UP AS WELL, AND MOVE THAT THROUGH THE PROCESS, AND DAN WILL COORDINATE ABOUT THE DETAILS OF THAT.
[COMMITTEE COMMENT]
COMMENT, COUNCIL UPDATE.UH, WELL, GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.
I'VE MET A GOOD CHUNK OF YOU ALREADY, BUT I'M, I'M ALEX DI CARLY, I'M YOUR NEW LIAISON.
AND, UM, I'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ABOUT MYSELF.
UH, WHEN I WAS A TEENAGER, I FOUND MYSELF IN THE WARBIRD COMMUNITY FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND, UM, UP UNTIL MY MID TWENTIES OR SO.
AND THEN WITH LIFE AND WORK AND EVERYTHING ELSE, I'VE BEEN AWAY FROM PLANES FOR A LITTLE WHILE.
BUT, UM, I AM VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THEM.
AND, AND OUR AIRPORT, I SPENT A LITTLE BIT OF TIME OUT THERE, AND SO I'M JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, I SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED THIS.
WELL, WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU.
UH, ANY AD HOC SUBCOMMITTEE REPORTS? UM, ONLY ONE THING, UM, BARRY IS, UH, BARRY LAWRENCE, UM, LIFELONG MEMBER ALMOST OF THIS COMMISSION.
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WE WANTED TO GIVE, UM, NEW COUNCIL MEMBER ALEX AND THE, UH, NEW DIRECT REPUBLIC WORKS, AND A COUPLE OF OTHER FOLKS GET SETTLED INTO THEIR POSITIONS.AND THEN HE WOULD CONTACT THEM AND HE AND I WOULD MEET WITH THEM PERSONALLY AS WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, AND, UM, GIVE 'EM A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THE AIRPORT, THE HISTORY, WHERE WE ARE, WHERE WE'RE GOING, UM, AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS LIKE WE'VE DONE.
SO BARRY IS TAKING THE LEAD ON THAT, AND BARRY, IF YOU'RE WATCHING THIS, THE NEW GUY OVER HERE, ALEX, SO, UH,
SO OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S, UH, THAT'S THE PLAN FOR NOW.
UH, I HAD A CHANCE TO MEET WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER PERRY BRIEFLY LAST WEEK REGARDING, UH, SOME OF THE HANGAR DOOR MAINTENANCE ISSUES.
UH, UNFORTUNATELY I WASN'T ABLE TO MAKE THE MEETING.
UM, LOOKING AT, I THINK, DID YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO TAKE A LOOK AT, WE DO HANGER 18, SO MAYBE IF YOU COULD JUST GIVE US AN UPDATE ON, UH, UM, THAT ONE WENT.
SO MARCUS AND I MET WITH DAN, AND WE LOOKED AT THAT HANGER DOOR, THE NEW DOOR THAT'S SITTING IN THE HANGAR, AND THE HANGAR NEXT DOOR THAT IS GETTING THE NEW FRAMEWORK.
UM, IT, MY PERSONAL OPINION IS THE CITY SLOWS THINGS DOWN CONSIDERABLY, AND WE NEED TO FIND A FAST TRACK WAY TO MAKE THINGS HAPPEN.
UM, THE HANGAR, HANGAR ROW TWO, WHAT ARE WE GETTING ON THREE YEARS NOW? UM, THIS, UH, HANGAR DOOR ISSUE IS COSTING THE CITY AND THE AIRPORT FUNDS, AND IT SOMEHOW IT NEEDS TO GET TAKEN CARE OF A LITTLE BIT BETTER, OR MORE TIMELY, I SHOULD SAY.
UM, UH, WE TALKED WITH DAN ABOUT IT.
UM, APPARENTLY THERE'S A LIMIT ON HOW MUCH THE MANAGER, AIRPORT MANAGER CAN DO AS FAR AS REPAIRS, AND MAYBE THAT NUMBER NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
UM, I DON'T RECALL EXACTLY WHAT THAT NUMBER WAS, BUT COLIN, SO I, I, NOW I REMEMBER WHAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO JUMP IN.
SO THE, WHAT WE UNDERSTAND RIGHT NOW IS THAT THE DAN HAS A LIMITATION ON THE CAPITAL OR THE, THE, THE PROJECT, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT, THE DOLLARS IN WHICH HE CAN, UH, AUTHORIZE QUICKLY.
AND IF THERE'S CERTAIN RULES AND REGULATIONS, IF HE SENDS OUT THREE BIDS AND IT'S UNDER THIS DOLLAR AMOUNT AND FOLLOWS THE PROCEDURES, AND THEY AGREE TO THE WORK TERM, HE CAN DO THAT.
AND THAT'S SOMEWHERE AROUND 30,000.
DAN DID SAY THAT THERE IS CONVERSATION OF, UH, RAISING IT TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND OR HIGHER, UH, WHERE THAT INSTEAD OF HAVING TO GO THROUGH THE STANDARD WHERE I AND DAN PROBABLY GO THROUGH ALL THE DETAILS, WHICH IS WHAT TAKES EVERYTHING SO LONG, THE APPROVAL PROCESS, GETTING THE ENGINEERS INVOLVED, AND THEN THE BUREAUCRACY, WHICH SLOWS EVERYTHING DOWN, THAT IF IT'S BELOW A HUNDRED THOUSAND OR WHATEVER IT IS, THEN DAN, AS LONG AS HE FOLLOWS THE PRE-DESIGNED FEATURES, CAN GO OUT, GET BIDS EXCEPT THE LOW BID.
AND AS LONG AS THAT BID AGREES TO THE GENERAL TERMS, WHICH WOULD BE PART OF THE BID, THEN HE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH THAT.
AND WITH UNDERSTANDING THE VALUE OF MANY OF THE PROJECTS.
IN FACT, MOST OF THE PROJECTS AT THE, UH, UH, THE AIRPORT, THAT $30,000 IS REALLY AN INSIGNIFICANT AMOUNT.
I MEAN, THAT'S, IT'S HARD TO DO ANYTHING.
SO RAISING IT TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT, SO IN THIS INSTANCE, WITH THE HANGAR DOOR, AND I KNOW WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER QUESTION WAS, WHAT'S THE USEFUL LIFE ON THE HANGAR DOORS? AND DAN SAID, WELL, IT'S 20 YEARS.
AND I SAID, WELL, HOW OLD'S THIS HANGAR? HE SAID, OH, IT'S THREE MONTHS, SHORT OF 20 YEARS.
SO WE KNOW THESE HANGAR DOORS, AND PETALUMA PILOT TRAINING HAS ONE, AND THEY'VE HAD AN ISSUE THAT ARE POTENTIALLY GONNA GO, BUT IF THEIR HANGAR BREAKS TOMORROW, THEIR DOOR LOCKED FOR A YEAR, BECAUSE IT'S GONNA TAKE US ALL OF THIS TO GET THAT DOOR.
'CAUSE THE DOOR ROUGHLY 30,000 PLUS FOR THE DOOR, 30,000 PLUS FOR THE INSTALL.
AND DAN, HIS HAND, HIS HIS HANDS ARE TIED WITH WHAT HE CAN DO.
SO ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO SUPPORT THAT TO GET THAT RAISED, AND IF WE NEED TO PETITION TO BE AN EXCEPTION, JUST
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WE'RE HAPPY TO BE AN EXCEPTION, BUT WE WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT, HELPING PUSH THAT THROUGH.BECAUSE THE ISSUES WE'VE HAD WITH THE HANGAR DOOR WOULD THAT, THAT DOOR WOULD BE FIXED.
NOW, THE ROW TWO, WHICH ALEX REFERRED TO, AND DAN WILL PROBABLY DIG INTO THIS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, BUT IT, BUT IT MAY HELP, BUT IT CAN HELP WITH SOME OF THESE PROJECTS WHERE THINGS BREAK AND THEY NEED TO GET FIXED, AND THINGS FIXED NOWADAYS ARE VERY EXPENSIVE.
IS THAT IT, COLIN? SO, BY MY CALCULATIONS, UH, TAKING A COMMERCIAL LEASE, WE'RE NOW 18 MONTHS IN ON THAT HANGAR.
UH, WE'RE NOW ON THE WHOLE ABOUT $64,000.
UM, WHICH TO ME IS JUST COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE.
UM, AND THAT'S NOT INCLUDING THE THOUSANDS MORE, TENS OF THOUSANDS MORE IN HANGAR ROW TWO.
UM, SO WHATEVER THESE ISSUES ARE, THEY NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
WE, WE CAN'T JUST KEEP GOING IN CIRCLES, YOU KNOW, I GET THAT THERE'S LIMITATIONS, UH, IN CERTAIN AREAS, BUT WE NEED TO IDENTIFY WHAT THESE AREAS ARE AND FIND A WAY THROUGH 'EM.
BECAUSE TWO AND A HALF YEARS IN NOW IN ROW TWO, I MEAN, THAT'S THE FIRST THING THAT PEOPLE SEE WHEN THEY COME TO PETALUMA.
THE FIRST THING YOU DO WHEN YOU TOUCH DOWN AT THE AIRPORT, YOU SEE THE BIG HOLE IN THE HANGAR.
AND FOR ANYBODY COMING INTO PETALUMA THAT WANTS TO DO BUSINESS, UH, THAT WANTS TO COME HERE, THINKING ABOUT INVESTING IN ANYTHING IN PETALUMA, SEEING A BIG GAPING HOLE IN A HANGAR AND ASKING THE QUESTION WHY IT'S TAKEN, IT'S BEEN TWO AND A HALF YEARS GOING ON, THREE, STILL CAN'T GET FIXED.
IT'S NOT A GOOD LOOK FOR THE CITY.
UM, SO WE REALLY NEED TO DO WHAT WE CAN DO TO FIND SOME REAL ANSWERS AND WORK THROUGH THEM.
BECAUSE WHERE WE'RE AT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE FUEL.
WE HAVE A GPS APPROACH THAT'S NOT USABLE, WHICH IS CAUSING PROBLEMS FOR FEDEX AND OTHER 1 35 OPERATORS COMING IN, AND WE HAVE TWO DAMAGED HANGERS THAT AREN'T ABLE TO BE USED.
UM, THINGS ARE STARTING TO ADD UP, AND WE NEED TO START FINDING SOME SOLUTIONS TO GET THESE THINGS RESOLVED.
UM, AND I, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, I'M HAPPY TO LET ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE THE CONVERSATION TO FOLLOW UP WITH YOU ABOUT THIS, ALEX, IF THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
I'M ALSO HAPPY TO TAKE THAT AS, AS CHAIR IF THAT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE.
SO HOWEVER WE NEED TO DO TO GET THIS ON THE AGENDA.
ANY OTHER AD HOCS? I THINK THOSE ARE OUR TWO ACTIVE ONES, BUT I'VE FORGOTTEN THINGS BEFORE.
UH, ANY GENERAL COMMISSIONER COMMENT THAT'S NOT PART OF IT AD HOC OR AGENDA ITEM? I THINK THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDERATION.
BUT I ALSO THINK THAT IF, IF THIS IS LONG TERM, WE HAVE BUSINESSES THAT RELY ON FUEL, WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT WITH A FUEL TRUCK.
HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE DO THAT? AND AT THIS POINT, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A COST, BUT IF WE STILL DON'T HAVE A DEFINITIVE TIMELINE WHEN THIS IS GONNA BE REPAIRED, UM, THE, THE, THE REVENUE THAT WE'VE LOST IN FUEL, THE REVENUE WE LOST FROM TAXES FROM THEM IS SIGNIFICANT.
UM, AND, AND AGAIN, WITH HOLES IN HANGERS WITH FUEL FARMS, IT DOESN'T WORK.
UM, IT, IT IMPACTS THE VISION OR THE, THE PEOPLE COMING IN.
I KNOW I USE PETALUMA TO FUEL MY AIRCRAFT COMING FROM NAPA, BECAUSE WHILE IT'S HOME, IT SUPPORTS IT AND IT'S ALSO CHEAPER.
BUT I DO FUEL UP HERE, AND THEN TWO NINE OR DINER PEOPLE COME IN HERE, THEY'LL BUY THEIR HAMBURGER AND THEY'LL FILL THE PLANE.
UH, IF THEY CAN'T FILL THEIR PLANE, SOME OF 'EM WILL DECIDE, WELL, I CAN GO SOMEWHERE ELSE AND GET MY HAMBURGER AND, UH, FILL THE PLANE.
SO I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, BUT, UH, IF YOU NEED TO, WHATEVER APPROVALS FROM US TO MAKE IT HAPPEN, LET'S, LET'S MAKE IT HAPPEN AND HAPPENED YESTERDAY.
ONE THING I'D LIKE TO ADD IS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A BACKUP SOLUTION.
SO IF WE GET THE VALVE, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE A SECOND VALVE AND WE HAVE A WAY TO EXPEDITE THE INSTALLATION OF THAT VALVE, OR WE HAVE A, UM, WHEN WE RENEGOTIATE THE FUEL CONTRACT, IF WE CAN NEGOTIATE AND GET OUR FUEL SUPPLIER INVOLVED IN PROVIDING US, YOU KNOW, NO DOWNTIME, JUST, I JUST THINK IT'S REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE REDUCE THE DOWNTIME THAT WE HAVE ON, UH, AVAILABILITY OF, YOU KNOW, NO FUEL.
IT'S JUST, UH, THIS IS REALLY, I AGREE, IT'S NOT GOOD, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE LONG TERM WE HAVE A
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SOLUTION BEYOND JUST THIS FIX.WHAT, WHAT IS THE UPDATE ON, ON THE VALVE? WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE ET ON THAT? BECAUSE I REMEMBER YOU, YOU EMAILED US.
YEAH, WE COULD LATE, UH, FEBRUARY IS THE LATEST WE'VE GOTTEN FROM THE MANUFACTURER, AND WE MM-HMM
WE ARE AT THE MERCY OF, OF THAT MANUFACTURER.
THERE'S ONLY ONE PART THAT WE'RE ABLE TO USE FOR THE FARM.
AND THAT'S HOW IT WAS DESIGNED.
AND THEN, UM, NOT HAVING PUT MY EYES ON IT AND SEEN IT, I, I CAN'T SAY FOR SURE.
SO THIS MAY BE A NAIVE THOUGHT OR QUESTION, BUT, YOU KNOW, I COME FROM THE PROPANE INDUSTRY, SO I'M USED TO SIMILAR, YOU KNOW, VALVE SETUPS, EVERYTHING.
UM, IS, IS THERE, HAVE WE EXPLORED ALTERNATIVES? UM, CAN ANYTHING ELSE BE USED? ARE, ARE WE LOCKED INTO HAVING USED THIS VALVE FOR SOME REASON WITHOUT MODIFYING THE ENGINEER DESIGN THE FARM? UH, THERE'S NO OTHER OPTIONS.
UM, THERE'S CONNECTIONS WE COULD TAKE OFF, UM, TO USE OTHER PRODUCTS, BUT, UM, NOT AS THE FARM IS DESIGNED WITH THE EXTRA ATTACHMENTS, THIS IS THE ONLY PRODUCT THAT WILL FIT.
AND THIS IS COMING FROM, FROM THE, THE BEST IN THE BUSINESS THAT WE USE, UM, ARE CONTRACTORS.
SO, AND THERE'S, AND THERE'S ONLY A COUPLE CONTRACTORS IN THE STATE THAT SERVE THIS AREA FOR THIS AVIATION SPECIALTY.
AND HAVE YOU REACHED OUT TO ALL THOSE CONTRACTORS? WE HAVE NOT LET, WE HAVE NOT REACHED OUT TO OTHER CONTRACTORS SINCE OURS HAS BEEN WORKING WITH US.
AND, UM, WE'VE GONE OUT AND LOOKED AT PARTS TOO, AND I'VE SUGGESTED OTHER THINGS.
AND, UM, THEY'VE GOT GOOD ANSWERS AND DOCUMENTATION THAT SUPPORTS THEIR POSITION THAT THIS IS THE ONLY PRODUCT THAT THEY CAN USE.
AND THEY'D LOVE TO USE A DIFFERENT PRODUCT, BUT THEY JUST CAN'T.
WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN, WE COULD HAVE GOT PARTS, UH, SAME WEEK IF WE'VE GONE WITH A DIFFERENT, UM, OVER OVERFLOW VALVE, BUT IT'S JUST NOT COMPATIBLE WITH OUR SYSTEM AS IT'S BEEN DESIGNED.
IS THERE SOME SORT OF RETROFIT THAT COULD MAKE IT COMPATIBLE? I MEAN, WHAT ARE WE, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS IS A HUGE IMPACT TO THE AIRPORT AND THE BUSINESSES AND EVERYBODY ELSE.
SO EVEN IF THERE'S AN EXPENSE TO GO THROUGH SOME SORT OF RETROFIT PROCESS, I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT ARE THE ALTERNATIVES? THERE MUST BE ALTERNATIVES TO THIS ONE PARTICULAR PRODUCT WITHOUT GOING AND MODIFYING THE DESIGN OF THE FARM.
I'M, I DON'T WANT TO, I WANNA HAVE THIS CONVERSATION.
I WANNA HAVE THIS CONVERSATION AT THE APPROPRIATE POINT IN THE FLOW OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN GIVEN.
UM, AND DAN, REALLY, IT'S KIND OF UP TO YOU.
I KNOW THIS, THE, THE OPERATIONS AND THE FUEL FARM UPDATE AND THE VALVE REPAIR AND THE REHABILITATION PROJECT ARE IN YOUR REPORT.
UM, DO WE WANNA PULL IT OUT NOW AND, AND HAVE THIS CONVERSATION EARLIER, OR DO WE WANNA PUT A PIN IN IT AND COME BACK TO THAT? YEAH, IF I COULD JUST GIVE, MAYBE JUST JUMP WHEN WE JUMP TO THE REPORT, I COULD JUST GIVE A FULL SYNOPSIS AND THEN ANY QUESTIONS, UM, ADDRESS THOSE, WOULD THAT BE SO, SO YES, WE, WE WILL DO THIS.
IT'S IN THE MANAGER'S REPORT, UM, BEF THAT'S THE NEXT THING ON THE AGENDA.
SO UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER TOPICS FOR COMMISSIONER COMMENTS, WE'LL MOVE INTO THE REPORT.
THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME FOLLOW THE AGENDA.
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THANK YOU.UH, BEFORE WE START ALL THAT, I JUST, YOU KNOW, WANTED TO THANK THE, UM, THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT, THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.
IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO HEAR FROM THE AIRPORT.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HEARING.
WE DID NOT MEET YOUR EXPECTATIONS, AND I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT.
UH, CHAIR, I DON'T FEEL THAT OUR STAFF MET THE EXPECTATIONS OF SOME OF OUR TENANTS.
AND, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE FURTHER CONVERSATIONS ABOUT SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT HAPPENED THIS WEEK.
I THINK, UM, WE, WE NEED TO PROVIDE SOME, UH, MAYBE SOME TRAINING TOO.
UH, JUST SOME SECURITY, UM, UH, MAYBE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AND CONVERSATIONS.
SO, UM, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT WE'VE, WE HEARD THIS, UM, WE, WE DO APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK.
I'M, I'M SORRY THAT WE DROPPED THE BALL AND I'M SORRY YOU DIDN'T FEEL SUPPORTED, AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT.
UM, SO THAT'S JUST WHY I WANNA SAY OUT RIGHT OFF THE TOP.
UM, THERE'LL BE MORE CONVERSATIONS.
UM, MY, MY CELL PHONE IS, IS ALWAYS ON.
IF THERE'S ISSUES THAT COME UP AND YOU DON'T FEEL LIKE YOU GOT WHAT YOU NEEDED, JUST REACH OUT TO ME.
UH, PLEASE, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO DO SO AFTER HOURS IS FINE.
THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THE JOB.
SO I JUST WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE ALL THAT.
UH, JUST RIGHT OFF THE TOP, I DID WANNA JUST SPEAK OF THAT, THAT INCIDENT.
I KNOW IT WASN'T ON MY, MY LIST OF THINGS, BUT AS FAR AS THE OPERATIONAL SECURITY, YES, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF INDIVIDUALS THAT COME ON THE AIRFIELD THAT DO NOT HAVE, UM, AUTHORIZED ACCESS.
SOMETIMES THEY'RE FRIENDS OF SOMEBODY, SOMETIMES THEY HAVE NO BUSINESS WHATSOEVER.
THIS IS A ALMOST WEEKLY OCCURRENCE.
SOMETIMES IT'S NOT NECESSARILY ON THE AIRFIELD, BUT IT'S ON AIRPORT GROUNDS.
AND WE USE A VARIETY OF METHODS TO GET PEOPLE TO LEAVE.
THIS PARTICULAR, UM, THIS PARTICULAR
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INCIDENT, UM, I ENGAGED WITH THE INDIVIDUAL.UM, I SHOWED THEM WHERE TO EXIT THE AIRFIELD, AND THEY RAN AWAY.
SO WE DID VERIFY THEY WERE NO LONGER ON THE AIRFIELD.
WE TALKED TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, THAT RESPOND TO THIS INCIDENT.
AND, UM, WE HAD OUR, OUR STAFF OUT ON THE FIELD TO VERIFY THAT THAT PERSON DID NOT REENTRY, DID NOT MAKE ANY REENTRY TO THE FIELD.
UM, AND THEN WE, UM, FOLLOWED UP WITH PD TO SEE IF THEY NEEDED ANYTHING ELSE, INCLUDING VIDEO.
UM, SO YES, WE WERE WORKING TOWARDS, UM, YOU KNOW, RESOLVING THE ISSUE AND TRYING TO DOCUMENT BEST WE COULD.
UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE'VE MISSED THE, THE PERSONAL TOUCH AND THE ENGAGEMENT AND MAKING PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THEY WERE, UH, SEEN AND HEARD.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE, WE NEED TO WORK ON.
AND, UM, SO I DO APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
BUT, UH, BE ASSURED, THIS WAS HANDLED, UM, UH, PROPERLY FROM OUR END.
UH, WE'VE ENGAGED BOTH WITH PD AND TSA THAT CALLED US TODAY.
UM, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS CHOSEN TO PROCEED WITH THIS AS A TRESPASSING EVENT.
UM, THEY ARE NOT CLASSIFYING IT AS ANY KIND OF HIJACK OR, UM, COMMANDEERING, UH, AIRCRAFT.
NOW, IF, UH, IF ANYONE HAS STATEMENTS THEY WANNA MAKE TO PD, TO THE CONTRARY, WE WELCOME IT.
BUT THAT IS THE INFORMATION THAT WE RECEIVED WAS AT NO TIME DID THIS INDIVIDUAL, UM, FORCIBLY TAKE OVER AN AIRCRAFT.
AND SO THAT WAS A DECISION THAT PD MADE.
UM, WE WERE NOT GOING TO, UM, CHANGE THAT.
THEY ARE, THEY ARE THE SECURITY AUTHORITY WHEN IT COMES TO AN INCIDENT LIKE THIS.
UM, IF TSA WANTS TO PURSUE IT, UM, AT SOME OTHER LEVEL THEY CAN.
BUT, UH, TO THE BEST OF KNOWLEDGE, THIS WAS, UH, SOMEONE THAT WAS IN AN ALTERED STATE.
THEY MADE THEIR WAY ONTO THE AIRPORT BECAUSE THERE WAS SOMEONE ACCIDENTALLY LET THEM ON.
AND, UM, THEY PROCEEDED TO, TO TRY TO TAKE A FLIGHT WITH SOMEBODY.
UM, BUT THEY, AS, AS I CAN ATTEST TO, UH, YOU KNOW, EN ENGAGING WITH THIS INDIVIDUAL, THEY WERE NOT IN THE RIGHT LINE.
UM, AND THAT WAS THE MAJOR ISSUE.
AND, UH, IT'S REGRETTABLE THAT THEY SCARED PEOPLE.
IT'S REGRETTABLE THAT THEY PUT THEMSELVES AND POSSIBLY OTHERS IN DANGER WITH THEIR ACTIONS.
UM, BUT, UH, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS WHAT P HOW PD IS HANDLING THIS INCIDENT.
AND IF, IF, UH, THE TSA WOULD LIKE TO ESCALATE TO SOMETHING ELSE, THEY'RE WELCOME TO DO.
HAVE THE POLICE RELEASED A STATEMENT THAT, UH, THAT COULD BE AVAILABLE TO US.
I'M SURE THERE IS ONE WE CAN GET IT TO.
I HAVE NOT BEEN SERVED WITH, WITH THAT REPORT YET.
AND, AND I DO NOT KNOW IF THEY WERE ABLE TO APPREHEND THE INDIVIDUAL.
UM, THIS IS THE SECOND INCIDENT THAT HAPPENED IN RE IN REGARDS TO THIS, THIS, UH, INDIVIDUAL DID GO INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, ASKING THE SAME QUESTIONS ABOUT FLIGHTS AND, UM, ALL THAT.
SO, UM, CLEARLY WAS NOT IN THE RIGHT MIND.
AND, UM, IT DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE THAT THEY HAD ANY ILL INTENT, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR, WHICH DOESN'T CHANGE HOW PEOPLE, UM, WERE INTERACTED WITH HOW THEY FELT, UH, CONCERNS ABOUT SAFETY.
THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THAT AT ALL.
UM, IT JUST CHANGES IT MORE ON THE REPORTING SIDE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT BEFORE I MOVE ON? I JUST, I JUST HAVE A REQUEST THAT IN THE NEXT, UH, TENANT NEWSLETTER THAT YOU, UH, JUST EMPHASIZE SECURITY, NO TAILGATING, NOT LETTING ANY STRANGERS ON THE AIRPORT AND QUESTION ANY STRANGERS THAT YOU SEE, JUST TRYING TO GET THE AIRPORT COMMUNITY TO HELP WITH SECURITY.
ALSO, UM, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME THEFTS IN OTHER LOCAL AIRPORTS, AND THAT'S MAKING THE ROUNDS OF, YOU KNOW, THE PILOTS.
BUT WE NEED TO RAMP UP SECURITY.
IN, IN AN INSTANCE LIKE THIS, WHAT DO YOU HAVE A PROCEDURE WRITTEN AND WHAT THE EXPECTATION WOULD BE? THE IMMEDIATE EXPECTATION IS TO GET PD AS FAST THERE AS POSSIBLE TO THE, YOU KNOW, THE SCENE.
UM, WE, WE ASK, UH, IF IT'S AT ALL POSSIBLE AND SAFE TO OBSERVE THAT PERSON, UH, UNTIL WHICH TIME THEY LEAVE THE AREA, UH, FROM A SAFE DISTANCE.
THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S STANDARDS, AIRPORT SECURITY PROCEDURES, KEEP AN EYE ON THEM, UM, BUT DON'T PHYSICALLY ENGAGE, UM, BECAUSE YOU, YOU NEVER KNOW, UH, WHAT LEVEL THIS PERSON IS AT AND THAT YOU COULD GET HARMED.
SO WE DID THAT UNTIL THEY WERE OFF THE FIELD AND RUNNING AWAY.
UM, DO WE HAVE VIDEO TAPE? WE DO.
OF NOT THE INCIDENT WITH THE AIRCRAFT ON THE FLIGHT SCHOOL, BUT WE HAVE THE SECOND HALF WHEN THEY RAN DOWN TO THE, THE FUEL FARM AREA.
SO THE POLICE HAVE A DESCRIPTION IN A PHOTOGRAPH? YES, THEY HAVE A NAME, THEY HAVE A LICENSE PLATE NUMBER.
THEY HAVE, THEY KNOW WHO IT IS, WHICH, WHICH GATE DID THAT? THEY ENTER IN THROUGH,
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UM, I THAT I DON'T, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE PEDESTRIAN, BUT I COULD BE WRONG.UH, I COULD, IF I COULD ASK YOU A QUESTION, IF YOU WANT TO GRAB THE QUESTION OF YOU CAN APPROACH AND YEAH, GO AHEAD.
WE JUST CAN'T GET INTO LIKE A BACK AND FORTH, BUT YEAH, IF YOU CAN ANSWER THE QUESTION, THAT'S FINE.
ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT
SO IT WAS, IT WAS A GATE THAT WAS AT THE ROW 18 DELTA.
THE ONLY GATE THAT DOES NOT HAVE A CAMERA, AND ONCE AGAIN WAS DOING SECURITY.
WE HAVE A SECURITY CAMERA ON THE CRASH.
WE DON'T HAVE ONE THAT GATE, AND THE GENTLEMAN DID NOT TAILGATE IT.
UH, ONE, MY INSTRUCTOR OPENED THE GATE WITH HIS CARD.
THE GENTLEMAN DARTED IN ON FOOT, AND SO THERE'S NO WAY YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, STOP ON THE CAR.
SO THAT'S WHY WE CLEAR IT WAS NOT TAILGATE THAT SON, HE, HE DARTED OFF FRONT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE I MOVE ON? UH, I THINK FROM, I'M SO SORRY.
SO I THINK FROM A, FROM A COMMISSION PERSPECTIVE, UM, THERE'S THE DETAILS OF THE SPECIFIC INCIDENT AND THERE'S ANY IMPLICATIONS THAT THIS MIGHT HAVE FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, PROCEDURES OR ADDITIONAL SECURITY EQUIPMENT OR, YOU KNOW, THE NEWSLETTER SUGGESTION WAS SPOT ON.
UM, ARE THERE ANYTHING, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE NEED TO BE, YOU KNOW, TIGHTENING UP OR DO WE NEED ANOTHER CAMERA? RIGHT? LIKE, WHAT, WHAT, IF ANYTHING, SHOULD WE DO, UM, TO BE BETTER PREPARED FOR, YOU KNOW, PREVENTING SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN THE FUTURE? I MEAN, YOU'RE ALWAYS PREPARED FOR THE LAST THING THAT HAPPENED, RIGHT? I GET THAT.
BUT LIKE, WHAT IS, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT THIS BRINGS TO LIGHT THAT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE FOR US TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH? I, I WOULD ALSO HAVE IT WHEN YOU SEND OUT THAT THE EXPECTATION FROM THE, THAT THE, THE OTHERS TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT IF THIS HAPPENS, WHAT THE, WHAT SHOULD THEY DO? ARE THEY IMMEDIATELY SUPPOSED TO CALL NINE ONE ONE? DO THEY CALL THE AIRPORT OFFICE? SO I WOULD, AND WITH NANCY'S SUGGESTION THERE, THAT TOO, SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW, YOU KNOW, THAT WHAT IF, WHAT IF THIS HAPPENS? WHAT, WHAT SHOULD WE DO? THAT'S, I WOULD JUST ADD THAT IN.
SO THEN SHOULD WE CLEAR? YEAH.
SO TRAINING IS ALWAYS GOOD IN THIS CASE.
UM, THIS IS A VERY UNIQUE, UM, UH, CASE WHERE YOU HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL ON FOOT.
UM, AS HAS BEEN MENTIONED, YOU, IT'S HARD TO STOP SOMEBODY ON FOOT WHEN YOU'RE IN A CAR.
UM, OBVIOUSLY IF SOMEBODY'S STANDING AROUND THE GATE, YOU DON'T WANNA OPEN THE GATE, BUT THAT WASN'T THE CASE HERE.
SO, UM, BEST PRACTICES ARE GONNA HELP YOU SO MUCH.
THEN IT BECOMES, UH, YOU KNOW, SORT OF PRE-SECURITY.
ONCE THAT SECURITY INCIDENT HAS HAPPENED, THEN IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TRYING TO CALL 9 1 1 AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
SO WE, WE ENCOURAGE ALL OF OUR TENANTS TO CALL 9 1 1.
IT'S ON EVERY STICKER, ON EVERY, ON EVERY, UM, CITY HANGAR.
UM, ALL OF OUR, UM, MOST OF OUR TENANTS, I WOULD, I WOULD ASSUME KNOW TO CALL THAT NUMBER AND NOT THE OFFICE.
UM, IT'S ALWAYS GREAT TO CALL THE OFFICE AND MAKE US AWARE.
UM, BUT THE FIRST CALL SHOULD ALWAYS BE, NO MATTER WHAT IT IS, CALL 9 1 1 BECAUSE WE CANNOT HELP.
UM, UH, WE REALLY CAN'T HELP IF EMERGENCY SERVICES ARE NOT ON THE WAY, WHATEVER IT IS, WHETHER IT'S A MEDICAL ISSUE, A FIRE, UH, A SECURITY ISSUE, THAT IS THE FIRST LINE.
UH, OUR STAFF ARE NOT GONNA STOP PEOPLE FROM GETTING ON THE AIRFIELD, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER TENANT'S.
NOT GONNA STOP SOMEBODY PHYSICALLY FROM GETTING ON THE AIRFIELD.
SO IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO GET ON THE AIRFIELD, THEY'RE GONNA GET ON THE AIRFIELD.
THE NEXT STEP IS HOW DO WE DEAL WITH THAT? AND THAT ALL STARTS WITH 9 1, 9 1 1 CALL.
OR IF YOU HAVE A BETTER NUMBER FOR THE, YOU KNOW, PD OR WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL, THAT'S FINE AS WELL.
BUT I ALWAYS RECOMMEND JUST START WITH 9 1 1 1.
IF YOU DON'T KNOW THAT THE LOCAL NUMBERS, IT CAN DELAY A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT'S ALWAYS A GREAT PLACE TO START.
I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND AGAINST THAT, BUT I, I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA WANNA HAVE MORE CONVERSATION WITH AND MORE COMMUNITY CONVERSATION AROUND.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, DUE TOUND AND OTHER THINGS, WE CAN'T DO THAT BACK AND FORTH HERE.
UM, BUT MAYBE WE CAN DO SOME OF THAT OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT MONTH AND THEN MAYBE INCLUDE THAT AS A, AN OPERATIONS OR OTHER ITEM IN THE NEXT, UH, IN THE NEXT REPORT.
INTENT WOULD BE TO ENGAGE, UH, THE FLIGHT SCHOOL SLASH UM, A MANGAN AIRCRAFT WITH SOME SORT OF A, MAYBE JUST TO KIND A LISTING SESSION AND KIND OF WORK THROUGH SOME OF THESE THINGS AND MAYBE COME UP WITH, UH, SOME POSSIBLE REMEDIES, UH, WHATEVER WE CAN, WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE WHEN WE'VE HAD THE ISSUES WITH TAILGATING.
IT'S A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, UH, SECURITY MANNER AND, UH, ANYONE IS WELCOME TO CALL, EMAIL ME, WHATEVER THEY, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M NOT IN TOMORROW, BUT IF YOU, YOU, IF SOMETHING BURNING, CALL ME UP.
MY, MY SUGGESTION WAS TO INCLUDE IT AS A, AS A REQUESTED ITEM ABSOLUTELY.
WITHIN THE OPERATIONS OF THE MANAGER'S REPORT.
IF FOLKS FEEL LIKE THEY'D ACTUALLY LIKE TO HAVE THIS BE AGENDAS AS A DISCUSSION ITEM, WE CAN DO THAT AS WELL.
AND THEN JUST A REAL QUICK THING ON A, UH, AGENDA ITEMS. SO IF WE WANNA ACTUALLY AGENDIZE IT, SO IT IS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, WE CAN DO THAT, WE CAN DO THAT WITH PRETTY MUCH ANY MATTER.
HOWEVER, IT'S NOT JUST AS EASY AS JUST PUTTING IT
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IN THERE.WE NEED TO BUILD A STAFF REPORT.
WE NEED TO HAVE SORT OF A BACKGROUND JUSTIFICATION.
IT'S NOT JUST SOMETHING WE CAN THROW AND I CAN THROW IT IN MY REPORT AND TALK ABOUT IT.
BUT IF WE WANNA MAKE IT A PUBLIC COMMENT ITEM, RIGHT, SUCH AS LIKE FUELING THAT, THAT TAKES TIME.
AND UNLESS WE HAVE IT ALREADY SORT OF BUILT FOR LIKE TITLE 16, IT'S HARD FOR US TO THROW THAT WITH, WITH NOT LOT OF, AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING YOU, AND WE, WE COULD POTENTIALLY PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER IN TIME TO MAKE THE AGENDA CUTOFF FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
UM, HOWEVER, IF IF WE'RE ABLE TO GET THE UPDATE AND DISCUSS IT IN, IN THE MANAGEMENT REPORT, THEN THAT, THAT SEEMS, UM, THAT SEEMS EASY ENOUGH.
UM, SO I, I THINK WE CAN, UM, MAYBE LET'S CONNECT NEXT WEEK AND SEE HOW THE CONVERSATION'S DEVELOP AND IF WE WANT TO PUT SOMETHING OFFICIALLY ON THE AGENDA OR IF WE'RE HAPPY WITH IT IN THE, THE REPORT.
UH, IN REGARDS, JUST MOVING ON TO, UM, FUELING, LIKE WE MENTIONED BEFORE, WE ARE WAITING ON PARTS.
I, I CAN'T MAKE THAT GO FASTER.
THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DO TO DO TO MAKE THAT GO FASTER.
ALL I CAN DO IS DO WORK THE FASTEST WE CAN WITH OUR CURRENT RESTRAINTS AND PLAN FOR THE FUTURE.
I THINK THAT'S THE KEY IS YES, WE ARE, IT IS PAINFUL.
UM, FOR, FOR SOME ENTITIES, UM, THERE MAY BE A LOSS.
UM, THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DO ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW.
UM, THERE MIGHT BE THINGS WE CAN DO IN THE FUTURE TO REALLY SHORTEN THIS.
ONE IS HAVING AS MANY PARTS AS POSSIBLE ON HAND.
IF YOU RECALL THOSE THAT WERE ON THE COMMISSION SEVERAL YEARS AGO, WE BOUGHT EXTRA FUEL PUMPS TO MAKE SURE WE HAD ENOUGH EQUIPMENT READY.
SO AS, AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE TWO AVGAS PUMPS, ONE FOR JUST THE PLANNED, UH, REPLACEMENT ABOUT AT ABOUT 20 YEARS.
AND WE HAVE, UM, A SECONDARY ONE ON STANDBY.
WE HAVE A SECONDARY JET PUMP AS WELL ON STANDBY BECAUSE WE EXPERIENCED, UM, ISSUES WITH THAT PART AS WELL.
UM, BACK IN, I WANNA SAY 2022.
CAN I MAKE THINGS GO FASTER NOW? NO.
ARE THERE ANY QUICK OPTIONS? THERE ARE NOT.
COULD A FUEL TRUCK, COULD WE GET A AGAS TRUCK TOMORROW? SURE.
HOW ARE YOU GONNA FILL THAT TRUCK? YOU HAVE NO WAY TO FILL THAT TRUCK LEGALLY.
AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK SOME, SOME OF THE MAYBE MISCONCEPTIONS ARE, CAN THINGS DONE BE DONE PHYSICALLY? YES.
DO THEY VIOLATE INDUSTRY STANDARDS AND POTENTIALLY ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS? YES, THEY DO.
SO IS REGRETTABLE THAT THERE'S A LOSS OF FUEL? IT'S REGRETTABLE THAT WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA PUMP ABOUT 10,000 GALLONS LESS THIS YEAR AT A LITTLE, A LITTLE UNDER $15,000 LOST AT THE AIRPORT.
IS THAT REGRETTABLE? YES, IT IS.
CAN I DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW? NO, I CANNOT.
IS IT A HUGE LOSS TO THE AIRPORT? NO, NOT TO THE CITY, BUT IT IS FOR SOME MORE TENANTS.
AND IF THERE'S A WAY TO EASE THAT BURDEN, WE ABSOLUTELY WOULD.
I, I DIRECT PEOPLE TO WHERE THE CHEAPEST FUEL IS.
UM, WE TRY TO NOTE, NOTICE IT AS MUCH BEST AS WE CAN SO PEOPLE DON'T ARRIVE AT THE AIRPORT UNDER FALSE PRETENSES THAT THERE IS FUEL AVAILABLE.
BUT BEYOND THAT, THERE ISN'T ANYTHING I, I CAN DO.
UM, UH, THE WAY THE FUEL FARM WAS, WAS BUILT AND CREATED.
SO WE COULDN'T HOOK UP A TRUCK UP IF WE WANTED TO.
YOU'RE LIKE ABOUT HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.
THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND OTHER SAFETY SYSTEMS THAT WOULD ALSO NEED TO BE INSTALLED.
SO, UM, IS IT ALL OF IT POSSIBLE? YES, BUT IT'S NOT POSSIBLE WITHIN THE TIME WINDOW WE'RE LOOKING AT.
SO THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS THE OWNER AND OPERATOR OF SEVERAL UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANKS, IS THAT IT'S NOT UNCOMMON WHEN I'VE CALLED IN THE PAST, WHEN WE'VE HAD ISSUES TO BE MET WITH THE SAME THING, THAT THERE'S A LEAD TIME ON A CERTAIN PART.
UM, IT'S NOT GONNA BE AVAILABLE FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.
AND I DON'T TAKE NO FOR AN ANSWER.
I MEAN, I'LL MAKE AS MANY CALLS AS I CAN AND MAJORITY OF THE TIME I CAN FIND WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.
SO, YOU KNOW, I GUESS I UNDERSTAND THERE'S CERTAIN, UH, RESTRICTIONS AS FAR AS WHAT WE CAN DO.
BUT, YOU KNOW, MY QUESTION IS, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING THAT CAN BE DONE IS BEING DONE, INCLUDING CALLING MULTIPLE VENDORS.
I MEAN, THIS IS NOT A CUSTOM PART, CORRECT? I MEAN, THIS IS NOT, IT IS A CUSTOM PART FOR OUR, IT'S MADE SPECIFIC TANK.
SO THERE'S NO VENDOR ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY THAT HAS ONE OF THESE? THEY NO ONE STOCKS.
THESE, THE, IN THE, IN THE AVIATION FUEL INDUSTRY, MOST, UH, THE SPECIALTY PARTS ARE MADE TO ORDER.
THEY DON'T KEEP A BIG STOCK OF THESE THINGS, IF ANY.
AND AS YOU ORDER IT, THEY MAKE IT.
THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING AND THAT IS THE LIMITATION.
AND HOW MANY DIFFERENT VENDORS DID WE CALL TO TRY AND LOCATE THIS PART? UM, THERE ISN'T REALLY A VENDOR, IT'S JUST YOU, YOU CAN ORDER IT THROUGH A, A, A FIELD MAINTENANCE SUPPLIER.
YOU CAN ORDER IT THROUGH SEVERAL PEOPLE, BUT IT'S ALL
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COMING FROM THE SAME PLACE.SO IT'S THE SAME PHONE CALL TO THE SAME FACTORY.
TO THE SAME PLACE, TO THE SAME NUMBER.
SO WE CAN'T MAKE THAT FACTORY GO FASTER.
NOW I WILL DOUBLE CHECK, UH, AGAIN TO SEE IF WE HAVE ANY UPDATES.
'CAUSE WE CAN ALWAYS GET MOVED UP.
BUT THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS THE BEST ESTIMATE WE GOT BEFORE WAS, UH, LATE FEBRUARY.
CAN WE PAY A PREMIUM TO EXPEDITE THE ORDER IN THEIR MANUFACTURING SCHEDULE? I CAN DOUBLE CHECK TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE USING THE FASTEST SHIPPING.
UM, WHAT, UH, THE SHIPPING IS ACTUALLY TENDS TO BE VERY, VERY FAST.
IT'S THE, UM, IT, IT'S THE BACK ORDER TIME WHEN IT'S BEING, UH, MANUFACTURED AT THIS.
YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THE QUESTION WAS CAN WE EXPEDITE OUR PRODUCTION POSITION? IS, IS THERE, MAYBE WE COULD PAY TO EXPEDITE THAT? I MEAN, WE, WE'VE ASKED, BUT I, YEAH.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, THIS ISN'T THE FIRST TIME THIS HAS HAPPENED.
CORRECT? WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH THIS PART IN THE PAST.
I, I UNDERSTAND WE CAN'T STOCK, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE PARTS OF EVERY PIECE OF THE, THE SYSTEM.
BUT IT IS, THIS HAS BEEN A KNOWN ISSUE.
I MEAN, I, I, I REMEMBER I RECALLED AN EMAIL, UH, I THINK IT WAS ABOUT A YEAR OR TWO AGO, UM, THAT I BELIEVE WAS THE SAME THING.
DID WE STOCK AN EXTRA PART AT THAT POINT? NO.
AFTER WE INSTALLED A NEW UNIT, UH, WE HAVE NOT RESTOCKED IT.
UM, WE DIDN'T THINK THIS WAS AN ONGOING ISSUE WITHOUT IT.
WE DEALT WITH IT WHEN WE REPLACED THE PART A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
UM, THAT TENDS APPARENTLY IS NOT THE CASE.
UM, I WILL SAY THAT THIS PART IS IN THE JET TANK AND HAS NEVER HAD AN ISSUE IN THE FIVE YEARS I'VE BEEN WITH THE CITY.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S RELATED TO THE, THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TWO TANKS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S RELATED TO THE, THE PRODUCT ITSELF THAT MAY BE DOING SOMETHING.
THIS PART, I DON'T KNOW IF I COULD MOVE AWAY FROM THIS PART.
UM, BUT YES, UH, WE DEFINITELY KNOW THAT THIS IS AN ISSUE.
THERE'LL BE A SLIGHT DIFFERENT CONFIGURATION ON THIS ONE.
PROBABLY TRY TO SET IT HIGHER.
MAYBE THAT'LL HELP A LITTLE BIT.
BUT WE ARE, WE'RE KIND OF STUCK WITH THIS UNLESS WE DO A MAJOR, UM, CHANGE.
THERE HAS BEEN SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT CAN WE CHANGE? ABSOLUTELY.
IT'S SOMETHING WE'LL LOOK AT WHEN WE DO, UH, THE, THE, UM, FARM REHABILITATION, WHICH IS SCHEDULED, I THINK FOR 27, 28.
UM, WE'LL NEED TO GET IN THE DESIGN BEFORE THAT.
AND THAT'S WHEN WE CAN START TO MAKE DECISIONS OF CAN WE CONVERT THIS TO SOMETHING ELSE? CAN WE CONVERT THIS TO A, A, A, A DIFFERENT SIZE? PART OF THE PROBLEM IS WE HAVE A LIMITED SIZE OPENING THE TANK.
IT'S ONLY FOUR INCHES, WHEREAS THE GENERAL STANDARD IS SIX INCHES.
SO IT'S UNDERSIZED TO BEGIN WITH.
UM, WE, THE OTHER, OTHER VALVES CAN GO IN THERE, BUT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A WORSE FLOW RATE.
SO NOW WHEN THE DR THE TRUCK'S SHOWING UP, YOU'RE LOOKING AT TWICE AS LONG FOR A PUMP.
UM, SO THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES HERE THAT WE KINDA HAVE TO WORK OUT WITH SOME ENGINEERS THAT ARE COMPETENT AND KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH, UH, FUEL FARMS THAT COULD DO A REDESIGN TO DO SOME MODIFICATIONS.
BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT OUR, OUR CONTRACTOR COULD COME OUT AND JUST DO.
IT NEEDS TO BE EVALUAT BY, BY THE ENGINEER, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, IT'S GOING TO WORK.
UM, AND ISN'T GONNA PUT THE, THE FARM AT SOME SORT OF, UM, RISK.
SO CAN, CAN THIS VALVE BE SERVICED? UM, IT HAS TO BE TAKEN OUT NO MATTER WHAT.
BUT IT CAN BE, CAN IT BE SERVICED AND REPAIRED? I DON'T, AS I UNDERST BELIEVE IT STICKS RIGHT AT ITS CURRENT STATE.
I I WOULD NOT TRUST IT TO BE REPAIRED.
I WOULD WANT A WHOLE NEW UNIT IN THERE.
BUT IF, BUT IF YOU DID A REPAIR AND IT, AND WITH, WITH THE IDEA THAT THE, A REPLACEMENT IS BEING BUILT AND IF THAT REPAIR CAN GET DONE IN A WEEK, AND THEN IT GIVES US THE LUXURY OF WAITING THE THREE WEEKS, FOUR WEEKS FOR THE NEW REPLACEMENT, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING THAT IT MIGHT BE A TEMPORARY FIX, WHY NOT DO IT? BECAUSE IT, IT'S, IT, IT JUST MAKE, TO ME IT MAKES SENSE INSTEAD OF DOING NOTHING AND WAITING AND SAYING, WELL, IT'LL SHUT WHEN IT SHOWS UP.
UH, IF IT CAN BE, COULD BE REPAIRED AND MAYBE IT'S QUICKER.
I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, KNOW ABOUT THE RELIABILITY, BUT IT IS A SHORT TERM FIX.
AND WHEN THAT REPLACEMENT COMES IN, THEN YOU HAVE THE LUXURY OF IT SITTING THERE.
THEN WE CAN SCHEDULE IT AND DO IT IN A MUCH MORE, YOU KNOW, IN A, IN A TIMELY FASHION.
SO IT COMES IN AND SAY, YOU CAN SAY, WELL, WE CAN DO IT IN MARCH AND REPLACE IT.
YOU CAN DO IT QUICKLY IN MARCH, BUT IN THE MEANTIME WE HAVE THAT ONE QUICKLY REPAIRED OR REPAIRED IN A TIMELY FASHION AND WE STILL ARE PUMPING FUEL TO THE AIRCRAFT THAT NEED IT.
SO I, I MEAN, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT SEEMS THAT IF THAT'S AN OPTION, LIKE YOU SAY, WE SHOULD BE EXPLORING ANYTHING THAT'LL WORK, EVEN IF IT'S A TEMPORARY SOLUTION THAT GETS US TO THE PERMANENT FIX.
WELL, I, AND I UNDERSTAND THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH REFUSING A LOAD.
SO THE QUESTION IS, IS THERE A WAY TO DETERMINE IF THIS IS WORKING WITHOUT ACTUALLY LOADING AT THE TIME? I MEAN, NO, THERE'S NO WAY TO FIGURE OUT, SO THE ONLY WAY TO KNOW FOR SURE WOULD BE TO YES, I AN OPINION THAT IS BETTER TO DO IT RIGHT ONE TIME.
THE TRY TO FIX A PART THAT IS ALREADY SUSPECT THAT HAS ISSUES IN THE PAST.
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WE'VE NEVER HAD IT COMPLETELY CLOSED LIKE THIS.USUALLY IT'S PARTIALLY OPEN, WHICH JUST MEANS A MUCH, MUCH LONGER LOAD TIME.
UM, THIS IS, WE'VE NEVER SEEN THIS BEFORE WHERE IT COMPLETELY SHUTS OFF LIKE THIS, THAT THIS IS A NEW ONE.
UM, THAT'S WHY I THINK SOMETHING'S VERY WRONG INSIDE THERE.
AND TO TRY TO SPECULATE WHAT WAS WRONG, TO TRY TO GET SOMEONE OUT AT A COST OF PROBABLY ABOUT EIGHT TO $9,000 JUST FOR THE VISIT, TO TRY TO FIGURE THAT OUT, TO TAKE IT ALL OFF TO REALIZE THAT WE JUST NEED TO REPLACE IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM TO BE AS EFFICIENT AND COST EFFECTIVE.
AND I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA HELP US AT ALL GET FUEL FASTER.
I, I'LL, I'LL DISAGREE COMPLETELY WITH THAT.
'CAUSE IF WE'RE SITTING AROUND WAITING FOR A PART THAT WE THINK IS GONNA COME THE END OF FEBRUARY, WE DON'T KNOW.
AND MAYBE, MAYBE THERE'S PRODUCTION DELAYS.
YOU KNOW, EVERYONE'S JUST IN TIME INVENTORY NOW.
SO THEN THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, WE DIDN'T GET THIS WHIRLY DIG OR THIS, THIS FILTER, IT'S NOW MARCH.
SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
IT'S BETTER TO DO SOMETHING THAN NOTHING.
IF YOU SIT AROUND AND WAIT FOR IT TO HAPPEN, IT MAY NEVER HAPPEN.
AND SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE'RE THREE MONTHS INTO IT AND WE STILL DON'T HAVE A PART, I GET $9,000.
BUT THE BIG PICTURE OF THINGS, $9,000 IS NOTHING.
SPEND THE DAMN MONEY AND GET IT DONE.
WE, I, I AM SORRY I DON'T WAITING FOR SOMETHING.
I UNDERSTAND YOU WANT TO DO IT AND DO IT RIGHT.
BUT WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIME.
WE, WE ARE HOW MANY WEEKS? WE'RE TWO WEEKS INTO THIS AND WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT ANOTHER THREE WEEKS MAYBE.
AND THEN MAYBE WHEN THAT PART'S HERE, THEN WE GOTTA GET THE CONTRACTOR IN TO DO IT.
SO, YOU KNOW, HOW LONG IS THAT GONNA TAKE? IT'S, IT'S, I UNDERSTAND.
I JUST WAITING IS, I DON'T THINK IS THE RIGHT ANSWER.
DOING IT RIGHT FINALLY IS THE RIGHT ANSWER.
BUT DOING SOMETHING NOW TO AT LEAST GET SOMETHING WORKING IS, IS BETTER THAN DOING NOTHING AND HOPING.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE ON HOPE.
WELL, WE CAN, WE CAN SEE WHAT THEIR AVAILABILITY IS TO TRY TO OPEN THE VALVE.
THE THE PROBLEM IS WE'RE GONNA GET OURSELVES IN THE CYCLE WHERE IF IT CLOSES AGAIN, WHICH IT MAY DO, NOW WE'RE TURNING ANOTHER, ANOTHER LOAD AROUND FOR A THOUSAND DOLLARS AND NO ONE HAS ANY FUEL AGAIN.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE A BUSINESS THAT'S SUFFERING ON THE AIRPORT AMONGST EVERYBODY ELSE.
I THINK IT'S WORTH THE RISK, CALCULATED RISK TO GIVE IT A TRY AND MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
I ALSO HAD A QUESTION ABOUT YES, I I THINK WE SHOULD TRY WHAT WE CAN TRY IN THE SHORT TERM, ANOTHER PIECE OF THE SHORT TERM SOLUTION THAT, UM, I THINK I I'M EITHER MISSED OR MISUNDERSTOOD SOMETHING.
UM, THE, THE POSSIBILITY OF BRINGING IN A FUEL TRUCK TO FUEL AIRCRAFT ON THE FIELD AS A TEMPORARY STOP GAP.
YOU SAID THAT WE COULDN'T FILL THAT TRUCK LEGALLY.
DID I MISHEAR THAT? NO, THAT'S CORRECT.
SO WHY ARE WE FILLING THE TRUCK AT THE FIELD FIELD? WHY ISN'T IT COMING IN FULL? ARE YOU BUYING A FUEL? HOW, HOW WOULD YOU GET THE TRUCK TO THEN, SO YOU'RE GONNA FUEL, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN, LIKE RENT.
THIS ISN'T MY AREA OF EXPERTISE.
SO I'M JUST, WAIT, CAN'T, CAN'T YOU LIKE RENT THE TRUCK? LIKE PREFU PRE FUELED, RIGHT? LIKE, CAN'T YOU FILL IT AT NAPA AND DRIVE IT OVER? RIGHT.
LIKE
YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T PUT 'EM ON THE ROAD.
SO YEAH, I MEAN, YOU CAN JUST, OKAY.
YOU CAN DRIVE, YOU CAN DRIVE PLACARDED TRUCKS ON THE ROAD.
UM, I I WILL SAY NOT, NOT TO HAMMER ON YOU, DAN, UM, I MEAN WE JUST, WE HAVE A DUTY TO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THE TENANTS ARE ALL SUFFERING OUT THERE.
THE RESTAURANTS PROBABLY LOST BUSINESS.
YOU HAVE TO FLIGHT SCHOOL, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE MOTIVE SHOP ALL THE, ALL THE REGULAR TENANTS.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO IT, I THINK EVERYBODY'S JUST, THE CONCERN IS WE WANT TO FIND A SOLUTION THAT SURE.
THAT GETS EVERYBODY GOING AGAIN BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL SUFFERING.
SO I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, WHAT, WHAT ARE THE, THE WEEKLY GALLONS DONE IN AVGAS? DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA THIS TIME OF YEAR? I DO.
AND SO, SO, AND JUST REAL QUICK, JUST REAL QUICK, A HUNDRED GALLONS A DAY BETWEEN JANUARY AND APRIL, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
SO I KNOW EVERYBODY'S CURRENT ONE, BUT THAT'S ONLY A HUNDRED GALLONS A DAY.
SO I JUST WANNA PUT THAT IN PERSPECTIVE.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FUEL MARGINS HERE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUSINESSES.
SO I'M NOT LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE AIR, WHAT THE MARGIN IS TO THE AIRPORT ON THE COST OF FUEL.
I'M LOOKING ABOUT THE EFFECT THAT IT'S HAVING ON THE COMMUNITY IN GENERAL.
SO I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR THAT THAT'S
SO WHAT, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE AVERAGE CAPACITY OF A BOBTAIL IS? A FUEL TRUCK? IS IT, IT'S GOTTA BE ONE TO 2000 GALLONS, RIGHT? 600.
SO FOR EVERY EVERY THOUSAND GALLONS, YOU'RE LOOKING AT
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6,000 POUNDS.UM, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE, UM, WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK INTO THE POSSIBILITY OF A TRUCK THAT'S FUELED, THAT'S MOVED VIA, UH, LOW BOY FROM ONE AIRPORT TO ANOTHER.
WE CAN LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANYBODY WHO'D GIVE ME THOSE THINGS, UM, BECAUSE WE'D HAVE TO TAKE A TRUCK FROM SOMEBODY ELSE.
WE DON'T JUST HAVE TRUCKS LAYING AROUND, UH, WITH TITAN OR ANY OTHER OTHER COMPANY.
SO, SO IT'S, THERE'S A LOT TO THAT.
AND TRUCKS CANNOT BE DRIVEN ON THE ROAD.
THESE ARE NOT, THESE ARE NOT ROADWORTHY VEHICLES.
IT IS ILLEGAL TO DRIVE THEM ON, ON THE STREETS.
THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT DRIVABLE ON THE STREETS.
THEY DON'T HAVE LICENSE PLATES.
SO THE SOLUTION MAY NOT BE TO DRIVE AN AIRPORT FIELD TRUCK ON THE ROAD, BUT IT, I HAVE DONE FLIGHT TESTING OPERATIONS WHERE WE HAVE HAD A FUELED TRUCK COME IN WITH A LICENSE PLATE AND A PLACARD THAT HAS A PUMP ON IT, AND YOU FILL UP YOUR TANK
SO I KNOW THAT THIS IS POSSIBLE.
UM, IT WAS IN NEW YORK, IT WASN'T IN CALIFORNIA.
MAYBE THERE'S DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS.
I I'M NOT SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW UNDER UNDERSTAND ALL OF IT, BUT I KNOW I HAVE IN FACT FUELED AN AIRPLANE OUT OF A TRUCK AT AN AIRPORT.
UM, SO I, I THINK WE SHOULD FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IN, IN CALIFORNIA.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT THAT, AND WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT THE STOPGAP REPLACEMENT AND WE NEED TO FIGURE THOSE THINGS OUT LIKE NEXT WEEK.
WELL, I, I'VE DEFINITELY HEARD, UH, LOUD AND CLEAR THAT WE WILL BRING THE CONTRACTOR OUT AS FAST AS WE CAN GET THEM MOED, UH, WHATEVER IT COSTS THAT IS TO AT LEAST SEE IF THAT VALVE CAN BE EXERCISED.
UM, BUT UM, YEAH, WE WILL, WE'LL DO THAT.
WE'VE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO SPEND THOSE RESOURCES DO THAT, AND WE WOULD HAVE TO BRING THEM OUT MOST LIKELY AGAIN, TO TO REPLACE IT PERMANENTLY.
AND THEN, AND DO FILTERS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU TO BREAK ANY LAWS.
LIKE, DON'T, DON'T P**S OFF THE CARB.
BUT THERE, I THINK THERE, THERE SHOULD BE A WAY TO GET SOMETHING, UH, UNLOCKED WITH THIS WITHOUT HAVING TO WAIT FOR THE, THE FULL PART.
I DO FULL, AS WAS SAID, FULLY SUPPORT DOING IT RIGHT IN THE END.
BUT YEAH, WE'LL PAY FOR TIME, UM, THE, THERE, THERE'S EVER INCREASING LEVELS OF UNCERTAINTY IN THE WORLD IN WHICH WE LIVE AND GETTING SOMETHING IN HAND, UH, BURDEN HAND AND ALL OF THAT.
RIGHT? SO I THINK WE SHOULD PURSUE WHATEVER OPPORTUNITIES WE HAVE TO GET THIS GOING AGAIN.
UM, I ALSO THINK WHILE WE'RE, WHILE WE'RE LOOKING AT STUFF, UM, THE IDEA OF HAVING A SELECT BULLPEN OF REPLACEMENT PARTS ALREADY AVAILABLE TO US, LIKE WE HAVE THE EXTRA PUMPS.
UM, I THINK WHILE WE'RE TALKING TO THE FOLKS THAT ARE DOING THESE REPAIRS AND ARE FAMILIAR WITH THESE SYSTEMS, IF THEY HAVE THEIR, LIKE TOP FIVE, THESE ARE ALWAYS THE THINGS THAT BREAK PARTS.
AND WE CAN GO AHEAD AND, AND GET A BUDGET FOR WHAT IT WOULD COST TO ORDER THOSE AND HAVE THEM ON HAND.
UM, I'D LOVE TO SEE WHAT THAT LIST LOOK, LIST LOOKS LIKE.
AND, AND ARE, AND ARE YOU GETTING US A BACKUP AS WELL WITH THE YES.
AND THEN AS FAR AS THE, UM, EXPENDITURES EXPECTED IN 27, 28, IS THAT A FULL FUEL FARM REDESIGN? OR HOW MUCH RUNWAY DO WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO GET TO, LET'S SAY WE WANT THE, YOU KNOW, THE VALVES THAT ARE MORE ROBUST, WE DO WANNA BE ABLE TO UPLOAD INTO A FUEL TRUCK AND WE WANT TO REDESIGN TO HAVE THAT CAPABILITY.
DO WE NEED TO START NOW? JUST TO, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
IT'S SOMETHING WE, WE WILL ASK WHEN WE GET TO THAT PROCESS.
UM, MOST OF THE ITEMS ARE MORE, UH, LIKE THE 20 YEAR TANK INSPECTION MM-HMM
UM, WE ALREADY KNOW THAT NEEDS TO BE SEALED.
UM, BUT THE 20 YEAR, UH, INSPECTION IS PART OF THAT.
UM, NEW, NEW FUEL PICKUPS, THAT SORT OF THING.
SO THERE, THERE'S A LONG LIST OF THINGS AND WE CAN ADD THAT TO IT TO SEE WHAT'S AVAILABLE.
I WILL SAY IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO REDESIGN SOMETHING LIKE THAT ONCE IT'S BEEN, BEEN DESIGNED MOSTLY BECAUSE OF THE, THE SIZE OF THE SPACE, RIGHT.
WITHOUT EXPANDING THE FOOTPRINT.
UM, BECAUSE NOW WE'RE TALKING, OKAY, WHERE WE DOING, WE'RE GONNA GET A, A LOW LID TRUCK, IS THAT PART OF THIS, YOU KNOW, INVESTMENT OF HALF A MILLION DOLLARS INTO A RELOAD? UM, SO A LOT OF IT, IT, IT DEFINITELY GROWS AS FAR AS THAT, THAT PROJECT TO SOMETHING MUCH, MUCH LARGER.
LIKE I, LIKE I TELL EVERYONE IT'S ALL POSSIBLE.
IT JUST MAY NOT BE PRACTICAL BASED ON LIMITATIONS WE HAVE.
YEAH, I WAS JUST THINKING, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME EXTRA FUNDS AVAILABLE WHEN WE PAY OFF THE FINISH OFF THE HANGAR LOAN.
AND THIS SOUNDS LIKE FUEL FARM REDESIGN HAS JUST MOVED ITS WAY UP TO A HIGHER PRIORITY THAN MAYBE DEVELOPING THE EMPTY SPACE WITH NEW HANGAR DEVELOPMENT, UH, IN MY MIND.
AND I, AND, AND I GUESS MAYBE, AND DO YOU WANT TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE, THE FUEL FARM
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CIP OR DO YOU WANNA WAIT TILL YOU GET TO THAT? BECAUSE THAT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS RELEVANT.DO WE WANNA HAVE THIS AS PART OF THE CONVERSATION? I KNOW, 'CAUSE YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT IT WHEN WE WERE TOGETHER ABOUT PUSHING THAT UP AND STARTING TO MOVE THAT FASTER BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE AT 27 FOR THE DUE INSPECTION, WE, WE SORT OF DID THE BACKTRACKING OF YOU WANT IT DONE IN 27, WE REALLY NEED TO START HAVING THE SCOPE BEING DONE.
AND MAYBE WE ADD TO THE SCOPE NOW WITH THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU LEVEL THE CURRENT FARM LIKE YOU SAID, AND THEN BUILD A NEW ONE.
BUT MAYBE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS.
BUT I, I WOULD SAY, ADD IT TO THE SCOPE AND I THINK WE NEED TO DO IT.
WE DO IT NOW AND LIKE I SAID, NANCY POINTED OUT, WE GOT AN EXTRA $500 MILLION THAT, THAT A PAYMENT THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT WE COULD PUT TOWARDS THAT FUEL FARM TO MAKE IT GO FASTER OR TO, TO INVEST IN MAKING IT MORE RELIABLE SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS.
IF IT'S OKAY, I'LL MOVE ON TO THE HANGERS.
UM, SORRY DAN, UM, I DON'T WANNA SKIP.
THE GPS IS THE SECOND ITEM ON THE OPERATIONS LIST.
SAY AGAIN? THE GPS ON THE OPERATIONS LIST.
UM, SO JUST TO RECAP, UH, WE RECEIVED, UH, ABOUT FIVE DIFFERENT REPORTS OF GPS, UM, INTERMITTENT GPS, UM, INTERFERENCE, UH, STARTING, I BELIEVE IT WAS ON THE, UH, THE 23RD.
AND, UM, AND AS, AS, UH, RECENT AS, UM, THE 27TH, WE GOT DIRECT REPORTS FROM SEVERAL PILOTS THAT HAD THAT SIGNAL DROPOUT.
UM, WE, WE WERE REALLY STRUGGLING, UH, WITH OUR LOCAL, UM, ASSETS LIKE, UM, UH, NORCAL TO TRY TO GET SOME SORT OF RESOLUTION TO THIS, UM, KNOWING THAT THIS COULD BE REALLY DANGEROUS FOR THE PILOTS.
THERE'S SEVERAL PILOTS IN THIS ROOM THAT, UM, EXPERIENCED THOSE ISSUES.
UM, AND SO WE, WE ENDED UP GOING WITH THE, UM, THE FDC, UM, OFFICE TO HAVE THEM ISSUE, UM, AND NOTE THEM FOR, UH, THE RA FOR TWO NINE.
UM, WE DIDN'T RECOMMEND THE, NOT AVAILABLE THE NA BUT WE DID RECOMMEND AT LEAST A UNRELIABLE OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.
UM, BUT THAT'S WHAT CAME, KIND OF CAME DOWN FROM THAT.
UM, I HAVEN'T HAD ANY, LIKE I SAID, I HAVEN'T HAD ANY DIRECT REPORTS SINCE ABOUT ISSUES DIRECTLY, BUT I'VE HEARD, UM, THROUGH SECONDHAND OTHER PEOPLE EXPERIENCING ISSUES AS FAR DOWN AS, UM, POSSIBLY NOS.
UM, I DID TALK WITH THE, THE MANAGER, UH, OF, UH, DVO, UH, YESTERDAY, AND THEY WERE NOT EXPERIENCING ANY ISSUES TO DATE THAT WERE POURED TO THEM.
SO IF THEY ARE BEING EXPERIENCED, THEY'RE NOT SHARING THAT TO THE MANAGEMENT.
UM, SO ANYWAY, THAT'S KINDA WHERE IT STANDS RIGHT NOW.
WE DID CHECK FOR AN UPDATE, UH, WITH THE FAA TO SEE WHERE THEY ARE IN THEIR INVESTIGATION.
THEY HAVE THEIR ENGINEERING GROUP, THE SPECTRUM GROUP LOOKING INTO THIS ALONG WITH, UM, THE PROCEDURES FOLKS AND, UM, THE SPECIALISTS ARE MONITORING IT.
SO WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR ANY MORE DATA ON THIS.
OBVIOUSLY IF THERE'S NOT AN ISSUE ANYMORE, IT NEEDS TO BE LIFTED, BUT, UH, WE WOULDN'T WANNA DO THAT PREMATURE IF PEOPLE ARE STILL EXPERIENCING, UH, OUTAGES.
AND IT DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE JUST GPS, IT APPEARS TO BE ALSO POSSIBLY, UM, A DSB AS WELL.
UM, POTENTIALLY WE'RE GETTING, UM, REPORTS FROM FOLKS.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S HOW IT STANDS NOW.
UNFORTUNATELY, A LOT OF THIS IS JUST OUT OF OUR HANDS.
UM, WE, WE REPORT WHAT WE SEE, UM, WE COLLECT INFORMATION, SEND IT UP.
UM, BUT AS FAR AS INVESTIGATING THE SIGNAL ITSELF, THAT'S REALLY OUTSIDE OF OUR, UM, OUR CAPABILITIES.
SO, UM, WE'VE, WE'VE REACHED OUT TO SOME, UH, LOCAL FOLKS THAT HAVE, UM, EXPERTISE IN THIS AREA FOR RECOMMENDATIONS AND JUST BACKGROUND INFORMATION AND TRIED TO SHARE THAT UP AS BEST WE CAN.
BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT STANDS RIGHT NOW WITH THE FAA.
UH, DID THE FEDEX PILOTS MENTION ANYTHING WHEN THEY CAME IN, CAME IN TODAY? UH, IT, IT, THE IMPACT, UNFORTUNATELY THE IMPACT, UH, ON THEM HAS BEEN, UH, MORE THE, THE RAV, UM, UH, NOTUMM THAN THE ACTUAL IN THE, UM, SIGNAL ITSELF.
I DON'T BELIEVE THEY'VE EXPERIENCED ANY ISSUES.
AT LEAST THEY HAVEN'T REPORTED IT TO US.
I DON'T BELIEVE THEY REPORT TO THE FAA, UM, BUT THEY, UM, THEY ARE STRUGGLING TO, TO, TO LAND IN, IN CERTAIN, UM, I FFR CONDITIONS WITHOUT, SO THE, THE ABILITY TO USE THE RN SO THE RNA IS FAA OR, OR NOT OF DOUBT SERVICE, AND THEY USE THE VOR OFFICIALLY, THE MINIMUM OF OAKLAND CENTER IS, UM, IS NOT ALLOWING PEOPLE TO USE THAT.
SO, TO, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, NANCY, THE OTHER DAY, I KNOW, UH, BOTH FEDEX FLIGHTS
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WERE UNABLE TO COME IN.UH, THIS WAS LAST WEEK AT ONE POINT TODAY, UH, ONE OF THEM WENT MISSED, BUT I DO BELIEVE THEY WERE ABLE TO GET BACK DOING THE VOR APPROACH.
BUT YEAH, OAKLAND CENTER WILL NOT AUTHORIZE ANYONE TO USE THE, UH, R NAV APPROACH AT THIS POINT.
UM, AS TO HANGERS, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S BEEN WELL DOCUMENTED THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE TWO AND A HALF YEARS INTO THE, UM, HANGAR REPAIR.
UM, THE, THE REALLY, THE LIMITING FACTOR IS, IS THE DESIGN AND BID WORK.
SO, UM, THE, THE MOST, MOST LENGTHY PROCESS IS HAVING A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER ESSENTIALLY HAVE, THEY BASICALLY HAVE TO KIND OF REDESIGN, REDESIGN.
THEY HAVE TO TAKE THE EXISTING DESIGN DOCUMENTS AND DESIGN A REPAIR BASED ON ALL THAT.
IT'S A VERY TIME CONSUMING PROCESS.
EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF METAL AND, UM, FINISH ON THAT HANGER HAS TO BE EVALUATED, HAS TO BE PUT INTO A DESIGN.
UM, IN THIS CASE WE ASKED FOR A 99% DESIGN, UM, WORK FOR THAT REPAIR.
UM, ONCE THAT'S DONE, SOMEONE HAS TO GET THAT BID TOGETHER.
AND WE, WE DON'T HAVE STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS, UM, FOR THE CITY.
SO THAT ONCE AGAIN FALLS ONTO A CONTRACTOR, UM, CONSULTANT TO, TO DO THAT WORK.
SO THEY, THEY, SO WE'RE KIND OF ON THEIR TIMETABLE.
WE ARE HAVING WEEKLY CHECK-INS, UH, WITH OUR CONSULTANT AND IT'S, IT'S VERY CLOSE.
WE SHOULD HAVE ALREADY BEEN OUT TO BID, HONESTLY.
UM, WE ARE VERY, VERY CLOSE, BUT THERE'S STILL THESE ITEMS THAT KEEP COMING UP, UM, ON THAT FINAL, UM, THAT FINAL BID WORK.
IT'S A VERY COMPLICATED SET OF DOCUMENTS AND THEY HAVE TO BE CORRECT AND IT DOES TAKE TIME.
UM, SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
IT'S GOING TO, AND WE ARE GONNA GET OUT TO BID, UH, WELL IN TIME, UM, TO, TO RECOUP THE COSTS, UH, FOR THIS PROJECT.
BUT, UM, IT'S NOT A QUICK PROCESS.
THE FASTEST I WOULD SAY THAT WE COULD DO IT.
EVERYTHING WORKING CORRECTLY IS PROBABLY ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF OR SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
THIS IS PROBABLY THE ABSOLUTE FASTEST IT COULD GO.
UM, I CAN'T IMAGINE THIS EVER HAPPENING TO UNDER A YEAR.
I, SOME OF THAT IS SEASON TALKING HANG ROAD TOO.
I'M SAYING, 'CAUSE WE, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF QUESTIONS ON WHAT WENT WRONG, WHY, WHY CAN'T WE DO THIS? WE COULD DO IT FASTER.
WE KNOW A LOT MORE THAN WE DID BEFORE.
WE KNOW WHAT'S POSSIBLE, WHAT'S NOT POSSIBLE.
UM, THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN A LOT IN THE CITY.
THIS IS A VERY RARE OCCURRENCE.
SO BASED ON THE, THE LIMITATIONS, UM, IT'S, IT'S ABOUT AN 18TH MONTH PROCESS IS WHAT I WOULD REC WHAT I WOULD, UH, GUESS ESTIMATE BASED ON OUR EXPERIENCES SO FAR.
UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S TAKEN US, UH, TWO AND A HALF ON THIS PARTICULAR ONE AS PART OF THE LEARNING PROCESS.
BUT WE KNOW NOW AND WE KNOW WHAT IT TAKES AND WE KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT, UM, BUT IS NOT AN EASY PROCESS.
UH, THERE WAS, UM, SOME COMMENTS, UH, BEFORE ABOUT, UH, SPENDING CEILING LIMITS, UM, THAT THAT'S LESS OF A, THAT, THAT KEEPS US OUTTA THE BID PROCESS.
SO FOR THINGS THAT ARE MORE MINOR THAT ARE, DON'T REQUIRE THIS LEVEL OF, UM, OF SCRUTINY IN A DESIGN, SOMETHING JUST LIKE REPLACE THIS DOOR OVER HERE, UM, IF, IF CAPS OR HIGHER, THAT DEFINITELY WOULD, WOULD AFFECT HOW WE WOULD APPROACH THESE PROJECTS.
BUT THE, UM, HANGAR DOOR REPLACEMENT, UM, DEFINITELY FALLS INTO THE BID CATEGORY.
UM, NOT A, NOT A, NOT A QUOTE, UH, MULTIPLE QUOTES, BUT ACTUAL BID, IT NEEDS TO GO OUT TO A FULL PUBLIC BID.
UM, AND THAT MAY CHANGE OVER TIME, BUT THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHERE WE LIVE RIGHT NOW.
THAT IS OUR REQUIREMENT, THAT IS PART OF THE CITY CHARTER.
UM, THAT IS HOW IT'S BEEN SET UP.
AND THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WE, THAT'S WE, WE, UM, HAVE TO ADHERE BY.
UM, SO THAT, THAT DOOR IS MOVING FORWARD AS WELL.
UM, BUT, UM, WE ANTICIPATE HAVING THAT IN CONTRACT BY THE, UH, END OF THE FISCAL YEAR.
WE ARE FUNDED FOR THE DOOR A REPLACEMENT.
SO I'M GONNA GUESS IF A CAR DROVE THROUGH CITY HALL THAT IT WOULDN'T TAKE THREE YEARS TO GET THAT FIXED.
I GUESS THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, I, HOW DOES THIS, HOW DOES THIS DIFFER FROM OTHER CITY PROPERTY GETTING HIT CAR ACCIDENT INTO, UM, OTHER TYPES OF CITY PROPERTY? I MEAN, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE BREAKDOWN? WHY DOES THIS BECOME SO DIFFERENT THAN ANYTHING ELSE? I'VE HAD THE SAME QUESTION AND IT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
MOST OF THE THINGS THAT GET, THAT GET DAMAGED, UM, BY THE PUBLIC, UH, THEY TEND TO BE, UM, ITEMS THAT CAN EASILY BE REMOVED.
UNBOLTED LIKE STREETLIGHTS AND SIGNS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, IF IT'S CONCRETE WORK THAT'S VERY EASY.
THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT STRUCTURAL, THAT'S JUST, THAT'S A CIVIL WORK.
UM, SO BY AND LARGE, MOST OF THE DAMAGE THAT HAPPENS AROUND THE CITY DOES NOT FALL INTO A, A STRUCTURAL CATEGORY LIKE THIS.
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A BUILDING OR, OR SOME SORT OF, UM, HOUSE OR OTHERWISE.UM, SO IT JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN ON A REGULAR BASIS.
AND I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY RECENT INCIDENTS THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD MIMIC THIS AS FAR AS WHAT NEEDED TO BE DONE.
DAN, CAN I ASK, UM, THIS STILL HAS THE, UH, OUT TO GOAL TO GOT TO BID BY DECEMBER FOR THE ROW TWO PROJECT IN THE REPORT.
SORRY, THEY JUST GOT, GOT COPIED FROM THE LAST YEAH, NO, I KNOW, BUT JUST WHAT IS, DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT, WHAT IT OUR CURRENT TARGET IS? I, I DON'T WANT TO GIVE A DATE AT THIS POINT, BUT I, I, IT'S COMING UP REALLY SOON, GETTING OUT TO BID.
UM, I'LL, I'LL TALK TO THE ENGINEER, UM, NEXT WEEK, BUT I THINK WE'RE, UM, WE'RE RIGHT THERE.
WE JUST, WE JUST NEED TO, THEY JUST NEED TO GO OVER THE FINISH LINE AND GET IT OUT TO BID.
AND, UM, JUST CURIOUS FOR, FOR THIS AND MAYBE A NOTE FOR THE FUTURE, ARE THERE, UH, ANY CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE WITH THESE CONSULTANTS TO HIT A CERTAIN TIMELINE? UH, THIS FISCAL YEAR IS, IS FUNDED, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THERE, UM, IF THIS PARTICULAR, IF WE HAD A, UM, DELIVERY DATE, UH, SET FOR THIS PARTICULAR PHASE.
YEAH, I THINK WE SHOULD DOUBLE CHECK THAT.
AND I THINK IF, IF WE DON'T, NEXT TIME WE HAVE A CONSULTING CONTRACT, THERE NEEDS TO BE PENALTIES FOR TARDINESS.
I THINK THE, THERE WAS, UM, A SURPRISE ON HOW ELABORATE AND EXTENSIVE THE BIDDING DOCUMENTS WOULD BE.
I THINK THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE.
AND I, I DO WORK AS A CONSULTANT, FULL TRANSPARENCY.
IT, SOMETIMES THINGS DO HAPPEN OUTSIDE OF EVERY ANYONE'S ABILITY TO PREDICT, BUT, UM, I THINK WE DO NEED TO HAVE SOME, SOME TIMELINESS CLAUSES IN FUTURE WORK IF WE DON'T HAVE ONE NOW.
HOW MUCH OF THE DELAY DO YOU THINK HAS BEEN IN, BEEN BECAUSE OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY? I MEAN, HOW MANY ENGINEERS, DIFFERENT ENGINEERS HAVE YOU HAD ON THIS PROJECT? 'CAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE'S BEEN, WE HAD AN ENGINEER, BUT THAT ENGINEER GOT PULLED OFF AND PUT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
SO, YOU KNOW, LIKE A REVOLVING DOOR OF ENGINEERS AND NO ONE EVER QUITE GETS IT TO THE FINISH LINE.
UH, THE, THE CONSULTANT IS DOING THE WORK.
THE ENGINEER IS THERE TO, TO GUIDE IT, TO MAKE SURE IT MEETS, UM, WHAT WAS REQUESTED.
UM, BUT THE ACTUAL WORK IS THE CONSULTANT.
UM, WE, WE COULD DEFINITELY LOOK AT OTHER CONSULTANTS IF, IF IT, IF WE, THE EXPECTATION IS GONNA TAKE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME BASED ON MAYBE LIMITED RESOURCES WITHIN THESE FIRMS THAT WE'RE USING, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT.
BUT, UM, I HAVEN'T NOTICED THE, UM, THE CONSULTANT LINKING THE PROCESS MORE THAN IT NEEDS TO BE JUST BASED ON ALL THE, THE DISCOVERED ITEMS ALONG THE WAY.
UM, EVERY SINGLE THING, INCLUDING THE DOOR, INCLUDING THE ELECTRICAL, INCLUDING IT, IT QUESTIONS GET ASKED, THOSE QUESTIONS HAVE TO BE ANSWERED.
UM, NOBODY IS MORE FRUSTRATED WITH THAT THAN ME.
THE, AND UM, IF I COULD MAKE IT GO FASTER, I WOULD, I CANNOT.
UH, CAN YOU CONFIRM IF THE ENGINEERING AND CONSULTING, UH, FEES ARE BEING COVERED BY THE LIABILITY POLICY, THAT THOSE ARE ALL REIMBURSABLE EXPENSES? UH, YES.
ALL OF THOSE WILL BE REIMBURSED, UM, STAFF TIME, UM, ANY OTHER RESOURCES, UM, BUT THE BULK OF THE EXPENSES ARE THE CONSULTING FEES FOR, UM, THE, UH, THE DESIGN WORK, THE BID DOCUMENTS, AND THEN ULTIMATELY THE, UM, THE, THE AWARDED CONTRACTOR.
SO GIVEN ALL THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE, UM, IS THERE A BENEFIT SUCH THAT IF, UH, SOMEONE FLEW THEIR AIRPLANE INTO A HANGAR IN THE NEXT ROW, UM, THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO MOVE MORE QUICKLY ON THAT AS LONG AS THEY'RE BUILT THE SAME TIME? YES.
I THINK THERE WOULD DEFINITELY BE A, UM, ECONOMY OF SCALE WITH THAT AND WOULD ALREADY BEEN, UM, ALREADY BEEN, UH, DETERMINED.
UM, I REALLY DIDN'T HAVE TOO MUCH MORE.
UM, I, I DON'T WANT TO GO, UH, I THINK I HAVE ONE THING ON STAFFING.
UM, WE DID HAVE ONE DEPARTURE.
SO WE ARE LOOKING TO RESTAFF ONE POSITION FOR THE, UM, AIRPORT ATTENDANT.
UM, PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING ELSE IS PROJECT RELATED.
I DID DIDN'T TOUCH THE BUDGET.
I FIGURED IF ANYBODY HAD ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT BUDGET, PLEASE.
UM, HAVE YOU HEARD FROM MEAD HUNT, UH, AS TO WHEN, UH, THEIR PRELIMINARY FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR POTENTIAL HANGAR DEVELOPMENT MIGHT, UH, BE? LET ME GET A, LET ME GET A, UM, LEMME GET A DATE.
UM, SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY ESTIMATES ON THAT.
UM, AND THEN, UM, AS FAR AS ALL THE OTHER, UM, UH, GRANT PROJECTS,
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UM, I DON'T THINK THOSE ARE GONNA CHANGE TOO MUCH.WE'RE GONNA KEEP CONTINUING WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WE'RE GONNA GO OUT TO, UH, TO, WE'RE GONNA, UH, SUBMIT THE, UH, WE'RE GONNA SUBMIT FOR THE GRANTS.
LIKE WE SAID, WE WOULD, WE'LL DO THE SAME BID PROCESS.
EVERYTHING WE SAID WE'RE GONNA DO BEFORE, HOWEVER EVERYTHING'S KIND UP IN THE AIR, WHETHER THESE ARE GONNA GO OR NOT, BASED ON GRANT FUNDING.
IF WE GET ANY UPDATES, WE'LL LET YOU KNOW.
BUT AS THIS TIME, I CAN'T PREDICT, UH, WHETHER IT'S A YAY OR NAY IF WE'RE EVEN MOVING TOWARDS THIS, EVEN WITH THE PRE, ESSENTIALLY PRE-APPROVED AMOUNTS THAT WERE ALREADY IN THE, UM, A IP BUDGET.
ALL RIGHT, WELL THAT IS CONCLUDES OUR AIRPORT MANAGER REPORT AND IF THERE'S NO FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS ON THAT REPORT, THEN UH, WE ARE READY TO ADJOURN AT SEVEN 50.