* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. THANK YOU. [00:00:01] UM, GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME ALL [CALL TO ORDER] TO THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE PETALUMA CITY COUNCIL AND THE PETALUMA COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SUCCESSOR AGENCY FOR MONDAY, FEBRUARY 24TH, 2020 4 25. UH, IF YOU WISH TO PROVIDE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD. THEY'RE LOCATED IN THE FRONT, AND THEN RETURN IT TO OUR CLERK, WHO IS LOCATED AT CARDS IN THE BACK, CLERK IN THE FRONT. AND, UM, I'D LIKE TO NOW INVITE, UH, MONICA HAIN, UH, MARIA GALVEZ AND MARIANA OLA TO, UH, PROVIDE INFORMATION TO THOSE WHO WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN SPANISH. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU. WE'RE READY. AND THANK YOU. MAY WE HAVE OUR ROLL CALL FOR THE EVENING? YES. BARNACLE PRESENT. CATER THOMPSON. HERE TO CARLY. PRESENT NOW. HERE QUINT. HERE. SHRIMPS. HERE MCDONALD. HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM. LET'S STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. JOEL, WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. AND NOW A MOMENT OF SILENCE, PLEASE. UH, WITH SADNESS. I WILL NOTE THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE CLOSING TONIGHT'S MEETING IN MEMORY OF A COUPLE OF NOTABLE PETALUMA PETALUMA, UH, PEOPLE WHO HAVE PASSED AWAY RECENTLY. AND, UM, MOST NOTABLY, UH, TWO OF THESE FOLKS WERE CITY STAFF. AND, UH, I FEEL THAT CITY STAFF DOES NOT GET THE RECOGNITION FOR ALL THE ACHIEVEMENT THAT WE HAVE IN PETALUMA. AND, UM, THE TWO IN PARTICULAR TONIGHT, UH, BONNIE GABER, WHO WAS PETALUMA'S HOUSING DIRECTOR FOR 25 YEARS. IN THAT TIME, SHE FACILITATED THE DEVELOPMENT OF NEARLY 2300 UNITS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SHE WAS ONE OF THE FOUNDING MEMBERS OF REBUILDING TO TOGETHER PETALUMA. SHE WAS INSTRUMENTAL ON PETALUMA PEOPLE SERVICES AND KOTS, AND TO PETALUMA ECUMENICAL PROGRAMS. PEP HOUSING. UM, PETALUMA IS A LEADER IN CARING FOR ITS COMMUNITY IN A LARGE PART DUE TO THE WORK OF BONNIE GAYLER. ALSO TONIGHT. UM, LIKE TO HONOR MIKE KERNS, MIKE WAS A STRONG FIGURE OF AUTHORITY AND EMPATHY IN A TIME OF PETALUMA'S GREATEST DESPAIR AND TRAUMA. AS A POLICE SERGEANT, IT FELL TO MIKE TO BE THE LEAD VOICE AND THE FACE WITH THE PUBLIC. DURING THE POLY CLASS KIDNAPPING, UH, HE WENT ON TO BECOME OUR COUNTY SUPERVISOR. SO WE WILL BE CLOSING THE MEETING TONIGHT IN HONOR OF THESE TWO, UH, GREAT PETALUMA. THANK YOU. UM, NOW I AM, [AGENDA CHANGES AND DELETIONS (TO CURRENT AGENDA ONLY)] UH, LOOKING AT OUR AGENDA AND ASK, LOOKING UP AND DOWN THE DIOCESE TO SEE WHETHER ANY COUNCIL MEMBER WISHES TO MODIFY THE AGENDA ITSELF TONIGHT, OR WHETHER WE'RE FOLLOWING THE AGENDA AS, UH, AS PRESCRIBED. AND WE ARE, UM, THIS FIVE O'CLOCK START TIME I MIGHT NOTE, UH, IS, IS, HAS BEEN UNUSUAL. USUALLY WE'RE SIX 30. UM, OUR NEXT MEETING IS ALSO A LARGE AGENDA MEETING, SO WE'LL START OUR NEXT MEETING AT FIVE O'CLOCK. AND I GUESS THAT MEANS CHECK EVERY WEEK TO FIND OUT WHAT TIME COUNCIL IS, UH, COMING AND HOW BIG THE AGENDA'S GONNA BE THAT NIGHT. UM, WE DO KNOW THAT, UH, TONIGHT'S AGENDA HAS, UH, AN ITEM EIGHT, UM, REGARDING OUR OVERLAY AND, AND HOTEL EAR AND OTHER ITEMS. THAT ITEM HAS BEEN POSTED TO START AT SIX 30. AND SO THAT ITEM WILL START AT SIX 30 OR LATER. PERHAPS IT'LL TAKE A RECESS BETWEEN THIS SECTION AND THAT SECTION. BUT [00:05:01] SIX 30 IS WHEN THAT, UM, ELEMENT WILL BEGIN. SO, UM, WITH THAT, I'D LIKE [GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT] TO INTRODUCE OUR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, WHICH DURING WHICH, UM, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON ITEMS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THAT ARE WITHIN THE CITY COUNCIL'S SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION, AND THAT ARE NOT LISTED ON THE CURRENT AGENDA. UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED UP TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON, AND DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF PERSONS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL TIME WILL BE ALLOCATED IN EQUAL SHARES TOTALING NO MORE THAN 20 MINUTES. SO I'D LIKE TO INVITE OUR CLERK TO HELP US WITH THIS. YES, UH, UH, AT THIS TIME, I, UH, WE DID RECEIVE 12 GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS, AND THOSE ARE POSTED TO THE WEBSITE. AND AT THIS TIME, I WILL START A 32ND CLOCK FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ATTENDING IN PERSON SHOULD BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE SO. SPEAKERS ARE REMINDED TO BE RESPECTFUL IN THEIR COMMENTS AND THAT THIS MEETING IS BEING TRANSLATED. PLEASE PAUSE BETWEEN SENTENCES FOR TRANSLATION. LET ME JUST DOUBLE CHECK WITH THE CLERK. UM, WHAT WAS YOUR COUNT ON? NUMBER OF FOLKS? WHAT NUMBER OF CARDS? NINE. NINE. IS THAT WHAT YOU GOT? . OKAY. PERFECT. THEN, UH, WITH NINE, WE HAVE, UH, TWO MINUTES, PLEASE SET THE CLOCK AT, UH, TWO MINUTES PER, UM, PERSON. AND OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS KIM SCOTT TO BE FOLLOWED BY MARTIN D TORI. I, HELLO. UM, THIS IS MY FIRST TIME TO SEE YOU IN PERSON. I USUALLY SEE YOU THROUGH, UH, MY SCREEN AT HOME, AND I APPRECIATE THAT. UM, I'M GONNA CALL WHAT I'M GONNA SAY TODAY, AND I'LL TRY TO TALK FASTER. EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS. UM, I WANNA START WITH GREETING YOU ALL AND SINCERELY SAYING WHAT A FANTASTIC JOB I THINK THIS CITY DOES. I'VE BEEN AWAY FOR MOST OF 20 YEARS IN CANADA, BACK EAST, AND, UM, BUT I DID LIVE HERE FROM THE SEVENTIES ON, AND I AM SO IMPRESSED WITH THIS TOWN. AND WHILE I DON'T ALWAYS AGREE WITH YOU, UM, I, AND OH, I WANTED TO SAY THAT ABOUT THE STAFF AS WELL. I'M REALLY AWARE OF HOW HARD YOU GUYS WORK. SO, SIX WEEKS AGO, I WOULD'VE BEEN HERE TO SPEAK ON THE HOTEL OVERLAY ISSUE, PLEADING YOU TO ABANDON IT FOR REASONS YOU'VE HEARD AND YOU'LL HEAR TONIGHT. AND I SENT A LETTER A FEW DAYS AGO ON THAT SUBJECT. BUT INSTEAD, I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT A FAR MORE IMPORTANT AND TIMELY ISSUE THAT I BELIEVE CONCERNS ALL PETAL LUMENS. AND I HATE THIS WORD, BUT THE DEMANDS YOUR ATTENTION AS OUR REPRESENTATIVES. AND I'M GONNA CALL THAT THE MASTODON IN THE ROOM. SO WITHOUT ANY CONSIDERATION TO PERSONALITIES NOR POLITICS, ZERO ZIPPO, I ASK YOU TO RECOGNIZE AND PRIORITIZE THE REALITY OF THIS UNPRECEDENTED MOMENT IN OUR CITY, STATE, AND COUNTRY. UH, WHETHER YOU CALL IT A COUP OR A CORRECTION, OUR BASIC RIGHTS AND THE SYSTEMS THAT WE ARRIVE RELY ON TO FUND AND SUPPORT OUR HEALTH, EDUCATION, TRANSPORTATION, ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY, AND ON AND ON, UM, ARE IN TOTAL CHAOS AND ARE THOROUGHLY UNDEPENDABLE AS FUNDING SOURCES OR ANY OTHER KIND OF SUPPORT. SO IN THE NEXT WEEK, SOME PETAL LUMENS ARE LIKELY TO LOSE THE RIGHT TO THEIR PERSONAL IDENTITY, FAIR EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES, BASIC HEALTHCARE, A FREE PUBLIC EDUCATION, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. TWO MINUTES IS INCREDIBLY FAST. AND, AND I'LL REMIND ALL SPEAKERS THAT, UM, ALL COMMENTS ARE GRATEFULLY RECEIVED IN PRINT TO OUR CLERK, EITHER THROUGH EMAIL OR, OR THE PRINT VERSION. AND THEY'LL MAKE IT INTO THE RECORD OF THIS MEETING. UH, MARTIN DELATORRE TO BE FOLLOWED BY JODY JOHNSON. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MARTIN DELATORRE. I'VE BEEN A PETALUMA RESIDENT FOR ALMOST A QUARTER OF A CENTURY, WELL, 24 YEARS . UM, I WORK AT THE SONOMA MARIN FAIRGROUNDS. I'VE BEEN AN EMPLOYEE THERE, OR ASSOCIATED [00:10:01] WITH IT SINCE 2006. UH, THE REASON WHY I'M HERE IS TO BRING ATTENTION TO YOU ABOUT THE VANDALISM THAT'S GOING ON IN THE FAIRGROUNDS AND HOW IT'S AFFECTED MYSELF. UM, BASICALLY THE VANDALISM HAS FOLLOWED ME TO MY HOME. IT STARTED IN JUNE OF 2024, AND IT'S BEEN CONSTANT HARASSMENT OF NOT MY, NOT JUST MYSELF, BUT MY PARENTS ALSO WHO LIVE WITH ME. IT'S GONE FROM, UM, HAVING NAIL SCREWS, FISH HOOKS PUT UNDERNEATH MY TIRES, PROGRESSIVELY WORSE. UH, OIL HAS BEEN PUT ON MY VEHICLE AS, AS WELL AS MUD AND OIL MIXED IN ON THE WINDOWS OF MY VEHICLE. THE LATEST BEING THIS WEEKEND WHERE, UM, MY VEHICLE AND MY FATHER'S VEHICLE GOT SPRAY PAINTED. NOW, THE REASON WHY I KNOW THAT THEY'RE BOTH, UM, CORRELATED IS BECAUSE THE SAME, UH, PAINT THAT WAS USED AT THE FAIRGROUNDS WAS USED ON MY VEHICLE. THE SAME SCREWS, NAILS THAT WERE USED AT THE FAIRGROUNDS WERE USED ON MY VEHICLE. SO, UM, I, I'M JUST HERE TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE FAIRGROUNDS AND, UM, THAT WAY WE CAN ALL BE ON THE SAME PAGE ALONG WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IT IS NOT, UH, TYPICAL THAT COUNCIL RESPONDS IN THESE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS. WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT, BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU THE STAFF WILL BE IN TOUCH WITH YOU ABOUT THIS. THIS IS NOT OKAY. JODY JOHNSON SHOULD BE FOLLOWED BY, UM, CHRIS PARKER. GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL AND CITY STAFF. WE, THE RESIDENTS OF PETALUMA MOBILE RESIDENTS UNITED, BRING FORTH ADDITIONAL VIOLATIONS OF MOBILE PARK OWNERS IN PETALUMA. JUST LAST WEEK IN YOUNGSTOWN MOBILE PARK MANAGEMENT ENGAGED THIS LAST WEEK IN MORE FALSE INFORMATION TO PROSPECTIVE BUYERS AND REALTORS THAT YOUNGSTOWN IS AN ALL AGE PARK. THIS RELATES TO FOR BELL, A PARK OWNED PROPERTY LISTED FOR SALE FOR QUITE SOME TIME, REALTORS ARE TOLD THAT THEY CANNOT USE A CALIFORNIA LICENSE REQUIRED PURCHASE AGREEMENTS, BUT MUST USE PARK GENERATED AGREEMENTS WITHOUT PROPER DISCLOSURE. IN ADDITION, REALTORS AND BUYERS TOLD THERE IS NO NEED FOR EXCEPTION FOR AGE, AS THIS IS AN ALL AGE PARK. IN LITTLE WOODS PARK OWNERS REMOVED MORE POTENTIAL PARKING FOR RESIDENTS BY PUTTING YELLOW TAPE ACROSS CARPORT AREAS OF NON-PAR OWNED MOBILE HOMES. IN ADDITION, RESIDENTS ARE STILL AT THE MERCY OF MANAGEMENT AND NOT PG AND E TO ACQUIRE THE CARE DISCOUNT MANY RELY ON FOR YEARS. AND CAPRI, THE RED FIRE LANE TAPE REMAINS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PARK. AND THE LETTER FROM THE FIRE MARSHAL IS SIMPLY IGNORED. CAPRI IS LOOKING AT ADDITIONAL RETALIATIONS THAT HAPPENED LAST WEEK THAT WE ARE SEEKING GUIDANCE TO ADDRESS TONIGHT. WE FEEL HOPE. HOWEVER, WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR FILED LITIGATION LETTERS OF CLARIFICATION, REPAR, AND THE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT ORDINANCES AND ZONING HAVE BEEN VIOLATED IN YOUNGSTOWN, CAPR AND LITTLE WOODS. MOST IMPORTANTLY, WE ARE GRATEFUL THAT AS RESIDENTS OF PETALUMA, OUR VOICE MATTERS JUST AS MUCH AS OUR FELLOW NEIGHBORS INFORMATION HAS ALWAYS LED TO HOPE. WE ALL FEEL THIS COUNCIL ON THIS EXTRAORDINARY STAFF RESEARCH DILIGENTLY AND ALWAYS SEEK TO SECURE THE SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE RESIDENTS WHO THEY SEEK TO PROTECT. WE, OF COURSE, KNOW THAT ALL RESIDENTS DESERVE A VOICE IN PETALUMA, AND WE ARE GETTING JUST THAT ALL OUR MOBILE PARK RESIDENTS, SENIORS, HARDWORKING FAMILIES, AND THE VULNERABLE EXTEND TO YOU OUR DEEP RESPECT FOR THE HOURS AND HOURS YOU DEVOTE TO OUR ONGOING STRUGGLE. WE SEE THE LIGHT IN THE CITY OF PETALUMA BECAUSE OF YOUR CARE. THANK YOU CHRIS PARKER, TO BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, TOM B HEIMER. GOOD EVENING. I'D JUST LIKE TO REMARK, UH, ABOUT HOW MUCH WE DEEPLY APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY STAFF HAVE BEEN DOING FOR THE PAST 18 MONTHS, TWO YEARS. UH, THIS IS A LONG STRUGGLE AND IT'S GOING TO GO ON FOR A WHILE, BUT YOUR EFFORTS HAVE PUT PETALUMA AT THE TIP OF THE SPEAR OF A NATIONAL PROBLEM. PETALUMA IS, UH, IN THE FOREFRONT OF TRYING TO SOLVE A NATIONAL PROBLEM, AFFORDABILITY OF HOUSING. WHAT, WHAT DOES AFFORDABLE HOUSING [00:15:01] REALLY MEAN? THE WORK THAT YOU AND YOUR STAFF HAVE PUT IN IS AMAZING, AND WE DEFINITELY APPRECIATE IT. LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUED SUCCESS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. UH, TOM BERNHEIMER TO BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, CATHERINE BOBOWSKI. HI. THIS IS JUST A REMINDER ABOUT, UM, REPRESENTATION WITHIN DISTRICT SIX. UM, I KNOW BLAKE, YOU WON BY 45%, BUT THAT MEANS 55% OF VOTERS PICK SOMEBODY ELSE. AND THERE WAS ONE ISSUE THAT WAS A PRIMARY ISSUE FOR THE ELECTION, AND THAT'S THE OVERLAY. SO I JUST REMIND YOU TO REPRESENT ALL OF US WHO WERE IN DISTRICT SIX ON THIS TOPIC, BECAUSE IF MORE THAN HALF VOTED ONE WAY, THAT'S MORE OF WHERE WE SHOULD PROBABLY BE GOING WITH THE VOTING. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU CATHERINE ROBOWSKI TO BE FOLLOWED BY MB LELAND. YES, MY, UH, NAME IS CAPITAL. I LIVE AT THE LITZ VALA MOBILE HOME PARK AT 18 2 1 LAKEVILLE HIGHWAY SPACE 31. THE, UH, HARMONY COMMUNITY IS BA IS IN VIOLATION THERE. THEY HAVE THEIR MANAGEMENT PARK IN THEIR FAMILY AGAINST MY MOBILE HOME, WHICH IS NOT A LEGAL PARKING AREA. THERE'S NO TWO WHITE LINES THERE. THAT VEHICLE'S BEEN THERE SINCE JANUARY 7TH, 2025, AND STILLER FEBRUARY 24TH. AND THE LICENSE PLATE IS 8 3 7 3 1 Y TWO. THAT'S INVASION OF PRIVACY. THAT'S ILLEGAL PARKING, THAT'S PUTTING MY SAFETY, MY LIFE, AND MY MOBILE HOME ENDANGERMENT. THE POLICE NEED TO GET OUT THERE AND ARREST THAT PERSON IMMEDIATELY. AND ALSO TOO HARMONY IS, HAS STILL HAS, IS TAKEN AWAY PARKING SPACES FOR RESIDENCE. THIS HAS TO STOP IMMEDIATELY RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU MB LELAND TO BE FOLLOWED BY ANGIE, UH, CRUZ. HI. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. AND FORGIVE MY NOTES, WHICH ARE WRITTEN ON THE BACK OF A NARCAN BOX. I DIDN'T PLAN ON SPEAKING TODAY, UM, BUT I GOT TO WORK THIS MORNING AND I HEARD SOME NEWS THAT COMPELLED ME TO NEED TO RUSH HOME AND GET MY STASH OF NARCAN AND COME SPEAK TO YOU. FOUR YEARS AGO, A GOOD FRIEND'S SON, A CASA GRANDE STUDENT, JOSH WHITE, DIED OF A FENTANYL OVERDOSE OR POISONING. HE DIDN'T KNOW FENTANYL WAS IN THE DRUGS HE WAS EXPERIMENTING WITH. SINCE THEN, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN THE UNITED STATES HAVE DIED OF FENTANYL POISONING THIS WEEKEND FOR SANTA ROSA STUDENTS. TEENAGERS OVERDOSED ON FENTANYL. TWO OF THEM DIED. TWO OF THEM WERE HOSPITALIZED, POSSIBLY NARCAN SAVED THEIR LIVES. FENTANYL WORKS BY TELLING YOUR BRAIN TO STOP BREATHING. AND NARCAN WORKS BY TELLING YOUR BRAIN TO START BREATHING. IT'S REALLY SIMPLE. IT'S EASIER THAN CPR. IT'S EASIER THAN A A, A SHOT OF THE STUFF YOU GIVE WHEN YOU HAVE A ALLERGY ATTACK. THE, IT'S A SIMPLE JUG. AND I IMPLORE EVERY ONE OF YOU ON CITY COUNCIL AND EVERY ONE OF YOU IN THE AUDIENCE TO LEARN HOW TO USE IT. AND I HAVE MY EXTRA, I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD BE ALLOWED TO LEAVE IT HERE FOR PEOPLE TO PICK UP ON THEIR WAY OUT. IT'S OVER THE COUNTER. IT'S NOT PRESCRIPTION. YOU CAN GET IT FOR FREE. MY ORGANIZATION, THE DEVILED EGGY, DISTRIBUTES IT FOR FREE. WE TRAIN ON IT FOR FREE. WHEN I GET HOME TONIGHT, OUR HOMEPAGE WILL HAVE A LINK TO GET IN TOUCH WITH US. YOU USE IT THE SAME WAY YOU WOULD USE FLONASE. YOU PUT IT IN YOUR NOSTRIL. WELL, SOMEBODY THAT COMES ACROSS, SOMEBODY WHO'S UNCONSCIOUS BECAUSE OF AN OVERDOSE, PUTS IT IN THE NOSTRIL OF THE PERSON WHO'S UNCONSCIOUS AND THEY SPRAY IT. AND THAT BLOCKS THE SIGNAL FROM FENTANYL AND IT TELLS YOU TO BREATHE AGAIN AND IT SAVES LIVES. OH, AND CAN I ANSWER MY NOTES? CIRCLE . THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, WE HAVE OUR POLICE CHIEF IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM WHO I'M SURE CAN ADVISE YOU ON THAT QUESTION YOU HAD. AND, UH, IN ADDITION, THANKS TO YOUR FOR YOUR WORK IN YOUR AWARENESS MEETINGS AROUND THE COMMUNITY. UM, WE HAVE AN ANGELA ANGIE CRUZ TO BE FOLLOWED BY JOHN HANIA. HI EVERYONE. UM, I JUST WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE DO HAVE A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTS FROM ALL THE MOBILE HOME PARKS HERE TODAY. UH, 5:00 PM UNDERSTANDABLY SO, IS AN EARLY START TIME WHEN THERE'S A LOT ON THE AGENDA. BUT JUST KNOW IF WE'RE NOT AS PRESENT AS WE USUALLY ARE. IT'S NOT BECAUSE WE DON'T CARE. WE DEEPLY, UH, WANNA BE HERE AS [00:20:01] MUCH AS POSSIBLE. JUST PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM WORK OR TRYING TO, UM, GIVE THEIR CHILDREN MEALS, ET CETERA. UM, TO REITERATE WHAT WAS ON THE LETTER EARLIER, UH, WE ARE EXPERIENCING, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR ALL THE PARKS, BUT SPECIFICALLY FOR LITTLEWOODS. UM, IT'S HARD TO GET CARE. I'VE UNDERSTAND THAT SOME PEOPLE HAVE HAD MANAGEMENT TELL THEM THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA CONTINUE THE CARE PROGRAM AT LITTLE WOODS. WE RECENTLY GOT SENT THE MRI LAWS, UH, WHICH IN THE MAIL, WHICH IS REQUIRED, AND IT INCLUDED CARE, WHICH THEY ARE REQUIRED TO ATTACH TO THERE. BUT A LOT OF RESIDENTS ARE REALLY UNSURE IF IT WILL REALLY FOLLOW THROUGH AND WILL ACTUALLY GET THAT DISCOUNT. UM, AND WE HAVE NO WAY TO CONNECT WITH PG AND E BECAUSE, UH, MANAGEMENT AND THE COMPANY IS IN CHARGE OF THAT. SO WE CAN'T EVEN SPEAK TO A REPRESENTATIVE OURSELVES. WE NEED A SPECIAL PIN. UH, A RESIDENT WANTED ME TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL THAT, THE BACK GATE THAT BLOCKED ALL THE PARKING, THAT MAKES IT REALLY HARD FOR THE FIRE TRUCK TO GO AROUND OUR PARK WHEN THEY NEED TO IN EMERGENCY SITUATIONS, WHEN PEOPLE NEED CARE. UM, AND IT JUST PROMPTED ME TO REMEMBER THAT WE'VE NEVER, AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN THERE, I DO NOT RECALL HAVING AN EMERGENCY PLAN OR PRACTICING ONE OR HAVING A MEETING. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S A REQUIREMENT. UM, IN TERMS OF LITTLE WOODS, WE'RE STILL TRYING TO FUNDRAISE FOR OUR APPEAL AND WE'RE KEEPING HOPE. AND WE'RE JUST SUPER THANKFUL FOR ALL THAT YOU DO AS A CITY TO SUPPORT OUR RESIDENTS IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OUR LAST SPEAKER ON TONIGHT IS, UH, JOHN HANIA. GOOD AFTERNOON. THERE'S FEW THINGS HAPPENING IN THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBER THAT IT SURELY SHOULDN'T BE HAPPENING. YOU GUYS CAN GET ALONG AND ACCOMPLISH MORE WHEN YOU WORK TOGETHER, NOT AGAINST ONE ANOTHER. BRIAN, YOU SEEM TO BE POKING AT MR. DI CARLY WHENEVER HE SAYS ANYTHING. AND I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO NOTICED THAT ON THIS, UH, THE MEETING ON THE SIXTH, JANICE, YOU SAID THAT PEOPLE BLAST YOU NEXT DOOR. LET ME ASK YOU, WASN'T IT YOU WHO BLASTED THE CARLY BACK IN OCTOBER ON FACEBOOK? LET ME ASK YOU, WASN'T IT YOU WHO USED TO COME DOWN HERE TIME AFTER TIME? AND STAND RIGHT HERE. BLAST THE CITY COUNCIL, ESPECIALLY MR. HEALY. I HEAR A LOT ABOUT THE CHAIN LINK FENCE. IT SEEMED LIKE SOMEBODY PICKING ON ONE FAMILY BECAUSE THEY OWN CERTAIN PROPERTY WITH THE CHAIN LINK FENCE. BUT I LIKE TO VOLUNTEER MY TIME WITH THE PAY TO REMOVE THE CHAIN LINK FENCE FROM PATUMA. BUT I ASK, WHERE DO YOU WANT ME TO START? THE FAIRGROUND, THE SWIMMING POOL. THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. HOW ABOUT THE HOUSE THAT'S OWNED BY THE CITY ON THE CORRIDOR OF LAKEVILLE HIGHWAY? THAT IS SO DISGUSTING WITH THAT'S CHAIN LINK FENCE AND THE PLYWOOD. THAT'S ROTTEN, THAT'S BOARDED UP. ISN'T THAT AN EYESORE? I THINK PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING LAST HOUSES SHOULDN'T BE THROWING STONES. AND I REALLY LIKE TO SEE ALL SEVEN OF YOU UP THERE WORK TOGETHER, NOT AGAINST ONE ANOTHER AND EQUIP POKING AT ONE ANOTHER. IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR TOO LONG. THEY HAVE FEELING MCCOY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDES GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE EVENING. UH, MOVES US OVER TO COUNCIL [COUNCIL COMMENT] COMMENT. AND UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE PUT, WE'VE PUT A LITTLE, UH, RESTRAINT ON THE PUBLIC FOR THEIR TIME AND HOW MANY MINUTES THEY GET. AND I JUST WANNA, UM, MENTION TO THE COUNCIL THAT THIS IS A GOOD CHANCE TO BE EFFICIENT IN YOUR SPEAKING TIME. AND UH, SO, UM, I'D LIKE TO START WITH OUR VICE MAYOR AND HAVE YOU, UH, YOUR ACTIVITIES THE PAST WEEK, TWO WEEKS, . THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. UM, I WILL KEEP IT SHORT. I TYPED IT UP AND, UM, THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY IS THE SHORTEST MONTH, BUT IT HAS BEEN QUITE BUSY. I ATTENDED THE PALAMA POLICE DEPARTMENT'S AWARD CEREMONY WHERE NUMEROUS OFFICERS, STAFF, AND VOLUNTEERS WERE HONORED. THANK YOU TO THE CHIEF AND HIS AWESOME STAFF FOR A MEMORABLE EVENT AND KEEPING OUR COMMUNITY SAFE. I ATTENDED THE LAS SIENNA EVENT IN SANTA ROSA. OVER THE LAST 15 YEARS, LAS SIENNA HAS TRANSFORMED INTO A EQUITY-FOCUSED, MEMBERSHIP DRIVEN ORGANIZATION, UNITING MANY, MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF PEOPLE, COMMUNITY LEADERS, ORGANIZATIONS, BUSINESSES AND GOVERNMENT AGENCIES LEADING TO THE MOST DIVERSE COMMUNITY EVENTS IN SONOMA COUNTY AND THE NORTH BAY. QUESTIONS AT THE EVENT REGARDING [00:25:01] OUR COUNTIES. YOUNG PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY LA LATINO AND THEIR MENTAL HEALTH WERE ANSWERED. I, ALONG WITH OTHER MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, ATTENDED THE BETTER CITY FILM FESTIVAL SPONSORED BY URBAN CHAT LAST WEEKEND IN RUNNER PARK. I WAS PROUD TO REPRESENT THE CITY IN PETALUMA, WHICH SPONSORED THE HOME IS WHERE THE ART IS. EVENT WITH THE CITY OF RON PARK. THE FUNDS RAISED, SELLING ARTWORK WENT DIRECTLY TO THE ARTIST WHO SOME ARE CLIENTS OF COTS AT ST. VINCENT'S HIGH SCHOOL. THIS PAST WEEK I READ A CITY PROCLAMATION AT THE VOLLEYBALL TEAM THAT HAD A VERY SUCCESSFUL YEAR IN THEIR CHAMPIONSHIP GAMES. IT IS AN HONOR TO CONGRATULATE THEM. NOT SURE WHY SPEAKING TO A GYMNASIUM FULL OF TEENAGERS IS SO DIFFICULT AND STRESSFUL FOR ME, BUT IT IS. MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE OUR FUTURE AND OUR FUTURE IS BRIGHT WITH THESE ST. VINCENT STUDENTS. MYSELF AND OTHER CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE GUESTS AT THE SONOMA COUNTY HOSPITALITY BREAKFAST WHERE WE HEARD THE FORECAST FOR THE COUNTIES VISIT VISITORS PROJECTIONS WITH THE CURRENT POLITICAL UNREST. IT IS INTERESTING THAT THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF THE VISITORS THAT ARE TRAVELING TO OUR COUNTY. I DON'T WANNA FORGET TO ADD THAT. DURING THE EDUCATION DAY OF THE CHAMBER'S LEADERSHIP PROGRAM, I WAS ABLE TO TOUR THE SANTA ROSA'S NEW SANTA ROSA JUNIOR COLLEGE NEW CONSTRUCTION TRAINING CENTER. I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO SAVE THE DATE FOR APRIL 26TH FROM FOUR TO SEVEN FOR BUILDING FUTURES OPENING. ALSO THE SANTA ROSA JUNIOR COLLEGE CINEMA FILM FESTIVAL. AND I HAVE IT HERE SOMEWHERE HAS TO BE ON IT. AND THIS FILM FESTIVAL IS EVERY WEDNESDAY NIGHT, FEBRUARY THROUGH MAY 7TH AT THE PETALUMA FILM ALLIANCE.ORG IS WHERE YOU CAN FIND THE DATES AND THE FILM, UM, NAMES. UM, LET'S SEE. HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS ARE ALSO ENCOURAGED TO HAVE A DUAL ENROLL ENROLLMENT AT SANTA ROSA JUNIOR COLLEGE. I REMEMBER MY DAUGHTER ELLISON DOING THIS WHEN SHE WAS A STUDENT AT CASA GRANDE AND THE SANTA ROSA JUNIOR COLLEGE CAMPUS WAS BRAND NEW. I ENCOURAGE ALL HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS TO TALK TO THEIR HIGH SCHOOL COUNSELORS FOR MORE INFORMATION. I'M AT A TIME TONIGHT WITH MY COUNSELOR COMMENTS, BUT FEEL FREE TO CONTACT ME FOR ANY OF THIS EVENT INFORMATION THAT I'VE ATTENDED AND THE INFORMATION I CAN EXPAND ON. THANKS. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON. THAT WAS QUICK. UM, SO FIRST OF ALL, I'M GLAD JOHN BROUGHT UP CHAIN LOPEZ 'CAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW ABOUT THE SEVEN 11 ON HOWARD AND WASHINGTON STREET THAT NOW HAS A CHAIN LINK FENCE. IS THERE, UH, ARE THEY GONNA BE MAKING CHANGES TO THAT BUILDING OR WHAT'S GOING ON? AND JUST ANOTHER CHAIN LINK FENCE. UM, AND I WANNA THANK, UH, WELL FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANNA SAY I WENT TO MY SMART MEETINGS, MY FIRST SMART MEETING, AND THE DOWNTOWN STATION HAS NOT LOST ANY RIDERSHIP TO THE CORONA STATION. AS A MATTER OF FACT, BOTH STATIONS ARE INCREASING RIDERSHIP. SO THAT WAS GREAT NEWS AND THERE WAS A LOT OF OTHER INFORMATION. UM, AND I ATTENDED A TOURISM MEETING AND EVERYBODY IS VERY CONCERNED WITH THE UNCERTAINTY OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. UM, AND AS, UM, KIMBERLY SCOTT, YOU KNOW, COMMENT MADE, COMMENTS, WE'RE ALL VERY CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING. UH, YOU KNOW, OUR SENIORS AND LOWER INCOME PEOPLE, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN? AND WE'RE WORRIED IF WE'RE GONNA EVEN HAVE OUR SOCIAL SECURITY. SO THERE'S A LOT TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT. UM, AS, UH, BETH, I WANNA THANK YOU AND ERIC FOR ALL THE WORK YOU DO ON THE FENTANYL AWARENESS. AND I HAPPEN TO HAVE MY FENTANYL BOX HANDY TODAY. THE NARCAN BOX. NARCAN BOX. THAT'S TRUE. NOT MY FENTANYL, WRONG DRUG, WRONG DRUG . AND I WAS LOOKING AT IT AND I RECEIVED IT FROM YOU AT THE, AT THE EVENT AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER. AND IT WAS REALLY VALUABLE TO LEARN REALLY ABOUT THE FAMILIES, WHAT THEY HAVE GONE THROUGH, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST HOW FRIGHTENING THIS DRUG IS. UM, AND AS FAR AS, UM, YOUNGSTOWN OR LITTLE WOODS, WE ABSOLUTELY CONTINUE TO STAND WITH YOU. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF A LITTLE WOODS AT THAT GATE IS INHIBITING, UM, PUBLIC SAFETY, BECAUSE THAT IS A CONCERN IN CASE A FIRETRUCK NEEDS TO GET IN THERE AND THERE'S AN EMERGENCY AND THE GATES ARE CLOSED. THAT IS ABSOLUTELY AN EMERGENCY AND A PROBLEM. AND I BELIEVE THE SAME THING IS AT YOUNGSTOWN. THERE'S A GATE THAT'S CLOSED, UM, AS FAR, AND I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT BONNIE GABER. 'CAUSE I ACTUALLY WORKED WITH BONNIE GABER AND THE PROJECT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE GOLDEN EAGLE SHOPPING CENTER. THERE WERE JUST SIX DIFFERENT PROPERTY OWNERS. AND THIS IS, YOU KNOW, LIKE 25 YEARS AGO. AND SHE WAS ABLE TO PULL ALL THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS TOGETHER. AND I THINK IT WAS, IT WAS A BURBANK THAT PURCHASED THAT, OR WAS THAT, UM, THAT WAS EDEN, UM, WAS ABLE TO PUT ALL THOSE, UM, LOTS TOGETHER FOR THAT PROJECT THAT IS NOW MASKED BECAUSE [00:30:01] IT'S BEING REFURBISHED. UM, BUT SHE WAS AN AMAZING PERSON TO BE ABLE TO DO WHAT SHE DID FOR THIS CITY. AND IT'S HEARTBREAKING TO FIND OUT THAT SHE LEFT US. SHE WAS A GREAT PERSON. AND, UM, YEAH, SO THAT WAS REALLY SAD TO READ THAT SHE HAD PASSED. THANKS. COUNCIL MEMBER BARN. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. UM, I AGREE WITH, UH, MY OTHER COLLEAGUES. IT'S BEEN A BUSY, UH, BUSY MONTH. UM, I HAD THE LEGISLATIVE COMMITTEE, UM, IT WAS A PRETTY BRIEF MEETING BECAUSE WE'VE, UH, THEY'RE JUST, UM, INTRODUCING THE BILLS AND IT WAS ACTUALLY THE FINAL DAY TO INTRODUCE BILLS. UM, BUT THE ONES WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT, UH, THE NEXT MEETING WILL BE, UM, THE PACKAGE OF MOBILE HOME PARK BILLS THAT ARE COMING UP. UM, AND WE'LL ALSO BE LOOKING AT SOME OF THE, THE HOUSING BILLS THAT'LL BE COMING, UM, AT SONOMA CLEAN POWER. UM, I ACTUALLY WAS VOTED TO BE THE CHAIR OF SONOMA CLEAN POWER. UM, PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT'S, UH, WAS ON THAT MEETING WAS WE'VE GOT THREE BILLS IN SACRAMENTO THAT ARE FOCUSED ON GEOTHERMAL. UM, WHILE THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, CLEAN ENERGY THAT'S COMING UNDER ATTACK WITH THE NEW ADMINISTRATION, THERE'S LIKE ONE SINGLE POINT OF OVERLAP IN THE VENN DIAGRAM BETWEEN THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION AND THE, UH, TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. AND THAT'S GEOTHERMAL. AND, UM, JUST ABOUT ONE THIRD TO ONE QUARTER OF THE GEOTHERMAL RESOURCE IN NORTHERN CALIFORNIA EXISTS UP IN THE GEYSERS. AND SO, UM, IT'S REALLY GOOD FOR SONOMA CLEAN POWER AND WE'VE REALLY BEEN CHAMPIONING, UM, BILLS IN SACRAMENTO TO HELP PAVE THE WAY SO THAT WE CAN, UM, TAP THAT RESOURCE. UM, AND THEN, UM, I WANT TO SAY FOR THE, UH, THE FOLKS IN THE MOBILE HOME PARKS THAT, UM, IF YOU'VE BEEN KICKED OFF YOUR CARE RATE, JUST REACH OUT TO ME. THAT IS ILLEGAL. I'D LIKE TO CERTAINLY KNOW. UM, I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH, UH, SUPERVISOR RABBIT RECENTLY AND LEARNED THAT, UM, THE METROPOLITAN TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION REMOVED RAINIER FROM THEIR LONG-TERM PLANS, UM, SO THAT THEY COULD GET THE, UH, EXTENDING THE SMART, UM, LINE UP TO CLOVERDALE AND A FEW OTHER DIFFERENT PROJECTS. SO, UM, THAT WAS SOME MUSIC TO MY EARS. AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THE TERRIBLE NEWS ABOUT, UM, ABOUT THE FENTANYL UP IN SANTA ROSA, THERE WAS ALSO SOME ISSUES WITH, UM, UH, A YOUNG WOMAN, UM, TAKING HER OWN LIFE, UM, AND, UH, AS A RESULT OF WHAT SEEMS TO BE BULLYING. AND SO I JUST THINK WE ALL NEED TO BE NICE TO EACH OTHER. UM, PLEASE, IF YOU HAVE KIDS, TALK TO 'EM ABOUT THAT MENTAL HEALTH IS REAL AND, UM, IT'S, WE DON'T WANT THIS STUFF TEARING OUR COMMUNITIES APART. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLY. UM, I GOTTA SAY, I THINK THE LAST TWO WEEKS REALLY FLEW BY PRETTY QUICK FOR ME AT LEAST. BUT, UM, THE ONLY THING I REALLY HAD TO REPORT ON WAS, UM, ON THE, I THINK IT WAS THE 14TH. WE HAD OUR MAYORS AND COUNCIL MEMBERS DINNER. AND, UM, AFTER WEEKS OF, UH, WORKING ON IT, I WAS ABLE TO SECURE THE VOTES FOR THE AG AND OPEN SPACE SEAT. SO I'M NOT AN AG AND OPEN SPACE AND HAVE THE FIRST MEETING COMING UP THIS WEEK, ACTUALLY. SO I'M VERY MUCH LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT. AND, UM, THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT TONIGHT. KEEP IT SHORT. THANK YOU. UH, COUNCIL, COUNCIL MEMBER QUINN. THANK YOU. UH, NO LIAISE LIAISON, UH, COMMITTEES, UH, MEETINGS SINCE THE LAST, UH, CITY COUNCIL MEETING. UH, I WAS, I WAS ABLE TO ATTEND THE, UM, THE PETALUMA POLICE DEPARTMENT AWARD CEREMONY. AND IT, YOU KNOW, IT TOOK ME BACK TO, UH, PRIOR TO COMING ON COUNCIL AND GOING THROUGH THE PETALUMA, UH, POLICE ACADEMY, UM, HAVING THAT OPPORTUNITY, THAT EXPERIENCE, AND, UH, JUST SEEING FIRSTHAND THE DEDICATION AND PROFESSIONALISM FROM OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS JUST, UH, INSPIRATIONAL. SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. UM, I SPENT, UH, SATURDAY NIGHT AT THE LA TRU, PTA GALA AT GA, GALA AT PANINIS. THAT WAS FUN. UH, SPENT LAST NIGHT VOLUNTEERING AT PETALUMA VALLEY LITTLE LEAGUE CAP NIGHT AT HERTZOG HALL AT THE FAIRGROUNDS. I WAS REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. UM, BECAUSE LITTLE LEAGUE, IT'S GETTING STARTED, UH, BUT ALSO IT WAS OUR FIRST TIME THAT WE GOT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF A BUILDING AT THE FAIRGROUNDS. UH, SO THAT WAS REALLY COOL. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED, UH, PRIOR TO, UH, THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE SEEN AT THE FAIRGROUND. LASTLY, WE RECEIVED A NOTE FROM SMART, UM, AND I'LL JUST READ IT HERE VERBATIM. WE HAVE ONE MONTH OF DATA ON THE BOARDINGS AT PETALUMA NORTH SINCE THE STATION OPENED IN JANUARY ON JANUARY 10TH. DESPITE THE RAIN, WHICH ALWAYS AFFECTS SMART RIDERSHIP, WE'RE THRILLED TO SEE HOW WELL THE STATION IS PERFORMING. SO FAR, WE'RE AVERAGING 200 BOARDINGS PER WEEKDAY AT PETALUMA NORTH, WHILE MAINTAINING NEARLY 500 AVERAGE BOARDINGS. UH, AT PETALUMA DOWNTOWN. THEY'VE BEEN WATCHING TO SEE IF RIDERSHIP IS JUST MOVING FROM DOWNTOWN. AND BASED [00:35:01] ON THE DATA, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ALL NEW RIDERS. SOMEONE WHO TAKES SMART IN THE MORNING. WHEN I GO TO COURT OF MADERA, UH, I LIVE IT. I, YOU KNOW, I USED TO BE ABLE TO FIND A PLACE TO HANG MY BIKE, AND NOW I'M HAVING THE, I'M PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO BUY A SCOOTER BECAUSE THERE'S NO ROOM FOR MY BIKE. SO WE'LL SEE HOW THAT GOES. BUT THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, I, UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW I ASKED EVERYBODY TO BE BRIEF, BUT, UH, IT, IT WOULDN'T HURT IF YOU ADDED THE REST OF THAT NOTE WHERE IT SAYS THAT PETALUMA DOWNTOWN IS THE NUMBER ONE HIGHEST, UH, ON AND OFF RIDES. AND THAT CORONA STATION IS ALREADY NUMBER EIGHT OUT OF THE 13 STATION. I MEAN, PETALUMA WANT TO USE, UH, TRANSIT AND ALL OUR TRANSITS LIKE AUMA GO. AND COUNCIL MEMBER DICARLO, YOU HAD, UH, SOMETHING YOU WANNA ADD? UM, I DID. I ACTUALLY, IN, IN MY HASTE, I FORGOT TO THANK MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR SUPPORTING ME ON AG AND OPEN SPACE. SO THANK YOU ALL. YEAH. AND, UH, UM, AND IT'S, IT'S DOWN TO YOU, JOHN, COUNCIL MEMBER SHRI. OKAY. YES. AND, UH, AND I DID REAPPLY FOR AG AND OPEN SPACE, SO I HOPE I GET THAT SHORTLY. . UH, ANYWAY, MY TERM IS, IS GOING UP, BUT HOPEFULLY I'M, I'M BACK THERE AGAIN. UM, BUT A COUPLE THINGS HAPPENED. I WAS ALSO AT THE, UH, UH, THE POLICE, UH, UH, REWARDS, UH, FOR THE YEAR. AND I WAS PARTICULARLY IMPRESSED THAT THE DISPATCHERS, UM, THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF PROFESSIONALISM, THE STRESS THAT THEY TAKE EVERY DAY, HOW MANY HUNDREDS OR THOUSANDS OF CALLS PER DAY, AND ABLE TO STAY CALM ALL DAY LONG AND DELIVER, UM, INSTRUCTIONS BOTH DIRECTIONS AND TRANSFERRING BACK AND FORTH. I WAS TOTALLY IMPRESSED WITH THE DISPATCHER. UM, A REWARD ON THAT ON THAT EVENING AS WELL AS MANY OF THE OTHERS EXCELLENT STAFF THAT WE HAVE. UM, I GOT TO GO TO A COUPLE DIFFERENT MEETINGS WHERE, UM, I HEARD A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL, UH, FROM, UH, UH, JARED HUFFMAN, UM, UH, IN OUR CONGRESS, AND THEN ALSO, UH, DR. EWEN AT SONOMA STATE, WHO IS A POLITICAL SCIENTIST WHO GAVE US, OR I'VE HEARD HIM AT TWO DIFFERENT OCCASIONS THIS LAST WEEK. UM, TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL COMING IN AND IMPACT TO US LOCALLY. AND IT'S IMPACTING US BOTH IN OUR, IN OUR POLITICS, OUR SERVICES, OUR LOCAL SERVICES, OUR LOCAL FUNDING THAT'S GONNA BE IMPACTED. UM, OUR LOCAL TOURISM IS GOING TO BE IMPACTED. AND HE ALSO TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE, UH, CHANGES GOING ON IN BOTH, UM, UH, POPULATIONS, AND ESPECIALLY THE YOUNGER GENERATION AND WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE AND HOW THAT'S INFLUENCING, UH, WHAT MIGHT BE HAPPENING HERE LOCALLY. SO, UM, VERY INTERESTING STUFF THAT, THAT HE GAVE US. AND A A LITTLE SCARY, BUT WE NEED TO BE REALLY PAYING ATTENTION TO THE NATIONAL LEVEL AND IMPACTS LOCALLY. AND WE, WE ARE GONNA NEED TO RESPOND IN, IN A DIFFERENT WAY, UM, OVER THIS NEXT YEAR OR TWO ON OUR GOALS AND OUR BENEFITS AND WHAT WE DO AND WITH THE SERVICES AND, UH, THAT WE PROVIDE. SO THAT WAS, UM, UH, REALLY ENLIGHTENING THAT WE REALLY GONNA HAVE TO WORK ON THAT. THEN THE, UM, UH, OTHER COUPLE THINGS, UH, WORKING ON THE, UH, THE CLIMATE ACTION COMMITTEE. UM, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS WE, THAT I INVESTIGATED PERSONALLY WAS THE LANDSCAPING EQUIPMENT FOR ELECTRIFICATION. AND, UH, UM, UH, A LOT OF THE FOLKS IN TOWN HAVE GONE THROUGH, UH, CHANGING WITH, BUT NO MORE REBATES. AND OUR LOCAL, UM, CITY STAFF HAS ACTUALLY BEEN TESTING, UH, THE BEST OF THE ELECTRICAL POWER UNITS, NOT QUITE UP TO SNUFF YET FOR, FOR THEIR NEEDS. 'CAUSE THEY HAVE LARGE LANDSCAPES AND LARGE THINGS THEY'VE GOTTA DO RIGHT NOW, BUT THEY'RE WORKING ON IT AND TRYING TO FIND A SOLUTION. THEN, UM, I, I, MAYBE I FORGOT TO, I REPORTED, OR MAY FORGOT, I DID REPORT THAT THE AIR RESOURCE BOARD ON CALIFORNIA IS REQUIRING BY 2035, THAT ALL LARGE VEHICLES, TRUCKS, TRACTORS, EVERYTHING BIGGER THAN A CAR AND A PICKUP TRUCK HAS TO BE NO EMISSIONS OR EMISSIONS, UH, FREE BY 2035. AND THAT'S ACTUALLY IS, THERE'S TIMESCALE INVOLVED. HOWEVER, THERE WAS JUST A ARTICLE IN THE PAPER TODAY, UM, THAT I WAS READING THAT, OR MAYBE IT WAS SUNDAY, YESTERDAY, UM, THAT THERE IS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S KIND OF STEPPING IN AND TRYING TO STOP THAT FROM HAPPENING. AND ANYWAY, SO OUR STATE, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF TRUCKERS, UH, COMPANIES THAT ALREADY HAVE ELECTRIC TRUCKS ALREADY ON THE ROAD AND ARE MOVING TO DO IT BECAUSE THEY'RE ACTUALLY SAVING MONEY, UH, BY DOING SO BY GOING ELECTRIC, EVEN IN THE BIG TRUCKS. SO THOSE THINGS ARE, ARE HAPPENING. MANUFACTURERS AREN'T TRYING TO COME UP TO SPEED, BUT NOT QUITE THERE YET. OKAY. SO, UM, BUT THAT'S WHAT I HAVE THE REPORT FOR TODAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, AND THEN, UH, MY REPORT OUT, UH, ON, UH, FEBRUARY 5TH, I ATTENDED THE, UH, COUNTY'S MENTAL HEALTH, UH, BOARD, UH, THAT I'M ON. AND, AND, UH, THE CONCERN FOR FEDERAL DOLLAR REDUCTION IS ON TOP OF MIND FOR EVERYBODY. THERE'S SO MUCH MONEY THAT COMES IN, UH, TO HELP OUR MENTAL HEALTH PROGRAMS THAT'S AT RISK NOW. UM, ALSO ATTENDED THE WITH, UH, UM, UH, THE VICE MAYOR ARE, UH, THE LOS CEN MEETING ON, UH, BRIDGING THE RESOURCE DIVIDE INTO OUR, UH, LATINO COMMUNITIES. AND IT'S THE STATUS OF MENTAL HEALTH IN OUR YOUTH. AND, UH, IT WAS REAL NICE TO GET THE INFORMATION FROM THE SONOMA COUNTY OFFICE [00:40:01] OF EDUCATION ABOUT JUST EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON WITH OUR YOUNG PEOPLE. AND, UM, ALSO ATTENDED THE, UH, NOBLE BEFORE YOU GROW URBAN CHAT FILM FESTIVAL WOULD BRING IN GOOD IDEAS FROM OTHER CITIES INTO OUR CITY. AND, UH, AGAIN, WE'VE, UH, HAD MOST OF US AT THE SONOMA COUNTY MAYOR'S AND COUNCIL ASSOCIATION MEETING, AND THE KEYNOTE PITCH WAS OUR CONCERN FOR OUR IMMIGRANT POPULATIONS AND DEPORTATION, UH, ITEMS. WE'RE HEARING ABOUT ALL, ALL, ALL THE TIME AND IN EVERY CORNER OF OUR COMMUNITY. AND I DO WANT TO CONGRATULATE, UH, OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR THEIR NEW REGIONAL APPOINTMENTS. UH, WE HAVE BRIAN BARNACLE REAPPOINTED TO THE BAY AREA AIR QUALITY, UM, BOARD, UH, OUR, UH, JANICE CATER THOMPSON TO THE SMART BOARD, AND, UH, ALEX DE CARLY TO THE AG AND PRESERVATION, AG PRESERVATION AND OPEN SPACE ADVISORY BOARD WHERE HE JOINS, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER SCH SHRIMPS. AND I AS, UH, THE TRIFECTA OF COUNCIL APPOINTMENTS ON THAT. WE, WE ARE THE ONLY CITY, CITY REPRESENTED ON THE AG AND OPEN SPACE BOARD. UM, AND THEN I'D, UM, I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT WE ALSO ADD THAT I ATTENDED, UM, THE CONTINUUM OF CARE HOMELESSNESS COALITION BOARD THAT I, I SIT ON ON FEBRUARY 13TH, UH, WHERE THE TOPIC OF CONVERSATION IS THE POINT IN TIME COUNT EVERY JANUARY. WE COUNT HOW MANY HOMELESS PEOPLE ARE IN OUR COMMUNITY VERSUS THE BY NAMES LIST. AND PETALUMA HAS BEEN INVESTING IN THIS, REALLY GETTING TO KNOW WHO THE HOMELESS POPULATION IS, HOW TO SERVE, HOW TO SOLVE. AND SO OUR BY NAMES LIST IS FAR MORE ACCURATE THAN THE NUMBER YOU SEE COUNTYWIDE AT A POINT IN TIME. BUT THAT'S NOT TRUE IN ALL CITIES. PETALUMA, AS A LEADER, WE'RE INVESTING MORE IN SOLVING OUR HOMELESSNESS PROBLEM. AND I JUST THOUGHT WE SHOULD NOTE HOW HARD THIS, UH, CITY IS WORKING TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM. UM, ATTENDED A SEMINAR ON THE MILLS ACT, WHICH CAN HELP PRESERVE HISTORIC BUILDINGS AND, AND DISTRICTS LIKE PETALUMA HAS. UM, ALSO HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH NONPROFIT HOUSING PROVIDERS TO DETERMINE WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO BRING MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING INTO OUR COMMUNITY. AND IN FACT, UH, KNOW BEFORE YOU GROW, WE'LL HAVE, UH, THAT AS THE PRESENTATION THIS WEDNESDAY NIGHT, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU WERE FOLLOWING THEM. UM, I PARTICIPATED IN A NATIONAL PODCAST ON HOUSING AND, AND, UM, AND ESPECIALLY THE NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND ATTENDED, UH, JARED HUFFMAN'S TOWN HALL, THE VET CENTER, WHICH BROUGHT A MESSAGE OF HOW HARD THE NEXT FEW YEARS ARE GONNA BE. UM, AND, UM, UM, WE ALSO HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF MANY OF US TO BE AT A NONPROFIT SUMMIT, UM, NONPROFIT VOLUNTEERS COMMUNITY. IT'S JUST AMAZING HOW MANY NONPROFITS ARE CARING FOR THE PETALUMA COMMUNITY, UH, WHETHER IT'S ARTS OR, OR WHETHER IT'S CARE FOR THE HUMAN, WHETHER IT'S MEALS ON WHEELS OR SOMETHING ELSE. AND JUST WANNA SHOUT OUT MEALS ON WHEELS. AND THEY HAVE 10,000 MEALS A MONTH GOING OUT RIGHT NOW, THAT'S SEVEN DAYS A WEEK ALL YEAR ROUND, AND IT'S 10,000 MEALS A MONTH. AND SO, UM, WE, WE COULDN'T MAKE IT WITHOUT OUR NONPROFITS IN THIS COMMUNITY. AND THEN JUST ONE FUN HIGHLIGHT, OUR BIKE LANE SWEEPER ARRIVES, AND, UH, I'M HOPING TO SEE THAT ON EVERY BIKE LANE I'M RIDING THESE DAYS. 'CAUSE THEY ALL NEED THAT KIND OF, UH, ATTENTION. SO, UH, THAT'S JUST A PIECE OF GOOD NEWS. AND NOW I'D LIKE TO PASS IT [CITY MANAGER COMMENT] TO OUR CITY MANAGER. THANK YOU, MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL AND COMMUNITY, STAFF AND COMMUNITY. UM, WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY KNEW THAT THIS WEDNESDAY AT 6:00 PM THE CITY'S INDEPENDENT POLICE AUDITOR WILL BE PRESENTING THEIR ANNUAL REPORT TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORY COMMITTEE BEFORE IT COMES TO COUNCIL IN APRIL. SUMMER CAMP REGISTRATIONS OPEN MARCH 3RD. WEEKLY CAMPS AND SPECIALTY PROGRAMMING ARE BEING OFFERED ALL SUMMER LONG THROUGH OUR PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT. CAMP SIGNUPS USUALLY HIT A WAIT LIST, SO WE ARE ENCOURAGING FAMILIES TO SIGN UP EARLY, AND SCHOLARSHIPS ARE ALSO AVAILABLE FOR THOSE IN NEED. SO PLEASE VISIT OUR CITY WEBSITE, EMAIL THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT, OR DROP BY THE COMMUNITY CENTER TO SIGN UP. ALSO, ON MARCH 11TH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL BE HOLDING, UM, A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING CREEKWOOD HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, AND ALSO WILL HOLD A STUDY SESSION REGARDING THE PETALUMA RIVER PARK CONCEPTUAL DESIGN. AND, UH, IN RESPONSE TO THE VANDALISM AT THE FAIRGROUNDS, WE ARE EXPERIENCING BOTH THE CITY AND SOUNDS LIKE, UM, UH, FOURTH DA STAFF ARE ALSO EXPERIENCING THAT. UM, AND WE HAVE CAMERAS OUT ON THE PROPERTY GETTING MORE, AND OUR PPD IS VERY AWARE. WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT FOLKS ARE CALLING THOSE IN WHEN THOSE THINGS HAPPEN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, AND THAT MOVES US TO OUR CONSENT [CONSENT CALENDAR] CALENDAR FOR THE EVENING, AND I'D LIKE TO LOOK UP AND DOWN THE S AND SEE IF ANYONE WANTS TO REMOVE ANY OF THE ITEMS FROM CONSENT. AND, UH, FOR SEPARATE CONVERSATION AND VOTING COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLY, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT ITEM SIX. OKAY. WE'LL BE REMOVING ITEM SIX, THEN. UM, THERE IS, AND WE'LL DO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE ENTIRE CONSENT CA CALENDAR, [00:45:01] UM, RATHER, RATHER THAN BREAK IT INTO TWO PIECES, BUT FOR VOTING PURPOSES, WE HAVE ONE REMOVED ITEM. UM, SO I'D LIKE TO INVITE OUR CLERK TO HELP US WITH THE MESSAGING FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR. YES, WE DID RECEIVE, UH, ONE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR. UH, AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ATTENDING IN PERSON SHOULD BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE SO. SPEAKERS ARE REMINDED TO BE RESPECTFUL IN THEIR COMMENTS AND THAT THIS MEETING IS BEING TRANSLATED. PLEASE PAUSE BETWEEN SENTENCES FOR TRANSLATION DO, AND TONIGHT WE HAVE, UH, TWO SPEAKERS AND THREE MINUTES, UH, PER SPEAKER, UM, IF NECESSARY, UH, DON'T FEEL OBLIGATED. AND, UM, THE FIRST SPEAKER IS DENNIS ZEKE. AND THE SECOND SPEAKER IS ERIC LELAND. THANKS. MY, UH, POST-TRAUMATIC STRESS SITUATION HAS IMPROVED A LOT IN THE LAST TWO MONTHS. UH, NO, I'M HERE TO SPEAK, UH, ON ITEM SIX. UH, SO IS THIS THE RIGHT TIME BECAUSE IT'S BEING PULLED, THIS IS THE RIGHT TIME. OKAY. UM, I, UH, AND I DON'T SPEAK FOR THE SONOMA COUNTY HOMELESS COALITION OR FOR, UH, UM, FOLKS THAT ARE AT RISK AND AFFECTED BY THIS, BUT, UH, I WILL SAY THAT, THAT, UH, WANTED TO RELATE THAT, UH, I, I THINK THIS WILL BE APPRECIATED. UH, THE ITEM SIX RESOLUTION WILL BE APPRECIATED BY, UH, EVERYONE CLOSE, CLOSE TO THIS ISSUE. UM, BUT THAT, UH, I MYSELF WOULD'VE LIKED TO SEE A LITTLE STRONGER, UH, LANGUAGE ON RELATED TO ITEM SEVEN PROMOTION OF COMMUNITY TRUST, WHERE IT SAYS, THE CITY WILL CONTINUE TO SUPPORT POLICIES AND PRACTICES THAT STRENGTHEN TRUST AND COOPERATION BETWEEN LOCAL GOVERNMENT, LAW ENFORCEMENT, AND IMMIGRANT COMMUNITIES TO PROMOTE PUBLIC SAFETY AND WELLBEING. UM, BOY, THIS, THIS, THIS RELATES TO THE FACT THAT, THAT I SEE RACISM AS REALLY THE MOST IMPORTANT. YOU KNOW, YOU COULD ARGUE, UH, FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS, MAYBE THAT, THAT, UH, A LOT OF FOLKS THINK WE'RE, UH, WE'RE NOT SO AFFECTED BY IT. BUT I FEEL LIKE IT, IT, IT, UH, INTERFERES WITH EVERYTHING ELSE YOU GUYS ARE DOING, UM, THE EXISTENCE OF RACISM IN THE COMMUNITY. IN ANY CASE, I'D LIKE TO SEE NUMBER SEVEN IN THE FUTURE. HOPEFULLY, I'D LIKE TO SEE IT PASS TONIGHT, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE IN THE FUTURE, PERHAPS IT BE STRENGTHENED IN RELATION TO ITEM SEVEN, WITH RESPECT TO THINGS LIKE STAFF TRAINING AND HOW TO DEAL WITH ICE IF THEY SHOW UP OR, AND OR, UM, UM, THE, UH, UM, THE PLACEMENT OF ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE AROUND CITY HALL AND SUCH, AND WHICH MIGHT BE, UH, CONSTRUED TO IMPROVE COMMUNITY TRUST. UH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANKS A LOT. UH, WELL, LET ME JUST SAY I DO, I, I DO. WHILE I'M HERE, STILL SUPPORT THE MOBILE HOME PARK FOLKS AS WELL AS THE CEASEFIRE IN THE MIDDLE EAST. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, AND, UH, ERIC LELAND, UH, THANK YOU. UM, I'M SPEAKING ALSO ON, UH, ITEM SIX. UM, AND THANK YOU DE UH, FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER DENNIS POKAY FOR, UH, YOUR COMMENTS THAT THOSE ARE AWESOME. UH, I JUST WANTED TO THANK THE CITY FOR REAFFIRMING, UH, OUR COMMITMENT TO IMMIGRANTS. UM, THIS IS A TIME WHEN MANY IN OUR COMMUNITY FACE UNCERTAINTY AND FEAR BASED ON THE IMMIGRATION STATUS AND YOUR SUPPORT WILL SEND A POWERFUL MESSAGE OF INCLUSION, DIGNITY, AND RESPECT FOR ALL WHO CALL PETALUMA HOME. UM, IT'S TERRIFIC TODAY THAT WE SEE SO MANY PEOPLE HERE TO SPEAK THEIR MINDS. UM, I WOULD ASK YOU ALL HERE TO JUST IMAGINE BEING TOO FEARFUL OF BEING ATTACKED, DETAINED, OR EVEN REMOVED FROM YOUR FAMILY. IF YOU WENT ON RECORD WITH A PUBLIC COMMENT, IMAGINE FALLING ILL AND BEING HOSPITALIZED ONLY TO BE DETAINED AS YOU LEAVE YOUR HOSPITAL ROOM. IMAGINE HAVING YOUR CHILDREN PULLED OUT OF YOUR CLASSROOM BY ARMED MEN. THESE ARE THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN. UM, THESE ARE THINGS THAT, UH, OUR NEW PRESIDENT HAS SAID CAN HAPPEN AND WILL HAPPEN, BOTH DOCUMENTED AND UNDOCUMENTED NEIGHBORS LIVE WITH THIS FEAR, AS SO-CALLED TARGETED ENFORCEMENTS, SWEEPS UP PEACEFUL FAMILIES ON THE FLIMSIEST OF PRETEXT. YOUR WILLINGNESS TO TAKE A STAND FOR OUR IMMIGRANT NEIGHBORS, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT DON'T HAVE THE PRIVILEGE TO SPEAK PUBLICLY FOR FEAR OF BEING TARGETED, DEMONSTRATES TRUE CIVIC LEADERSHIP. BY ADVOCATING FOR POLICIES LIKE THESE THAT PROTECT AND UPLIFT OUR MOST VULNERABLE COMMUNITY MEMBERS, YOU ARE STRENGTHENING THE VERY FABRIC OF OUR CITY, ENSURING THAT ALL [00:50:01] RESIDENTS FEEL SAFE AND VALUED. I WANTED TO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR STANDING UP FOR IMMIGRANTS. I ALSO WANTED TO SAY IN, UM, RELATION TO THIS, UH, ISSUE ON MARCH 6TH, UH, CAFE PUENTE IS COMING TO, UH, AQUAS CAFE. IT'S A TIME FOR FOLKS TO LISTEN TO THE CONCERNS, UH, AND NEEDS OF THE LATINX COMMUNITY IN TOWN. UH, SO I WOULD INVITE EVERYBODY WHO HASN'T HEARD OF THAT TO CHECK THAT OUT, UM, AND, UM, AND ATTEND THAT EVENT. IN ADDITION, UH, IF, IF YOU DON'T LET HER KNOW, THERE'S A, UH, LEGAL OBSERVER TRAININGS, UH, BEING OFFERED BY NORTH BAY ORGANIZING PROJECT. IT'S CALLED NORTH BAY RAPID RESPONSE. UH, AND THESE ARE FOLKS, UM, WHO HAVE NO LEGAL TRAINING, MAY ONLY SPEAK ENGLISH, BUT ARE WILLING TO SHOW UP FOR THEIR IMMIGRANT NEIGHBORS, UM, AND DOCUMENT WHAT'S GOING ON, UH, IF AN ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITY COMES, UM, UH, TO THEIR PLACE OF WORK, SCHOOL, UM, HOMES AND SO FORTH. SO YOU CAN GET THIS TRAINING. UM, CHECK OUT NORTH BAY ORGANIZING PROJECT, NORTH BAY RAPID RESPONSE AND SIGN UP. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. AND THAT CLOSES PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR, AND I'LL BRING IT UP TO THE DAAS. AND I THINK WE'RE LOOKING FOR A MOTION FOR ITEMS ONE THROUGH FIVE. YEAH. I'LL MAKE A MOTION ONE THROUGH FIVE, A MOTION FROM CATER THOMPSON AND A SECOND FROM VICE MAYOR NOW. AND ROLL CALL VOTE ON ITEMS ONE THROUGH FIVE. BARNACLE AYE. CATER THOMPSON. YES. TO CARLY. YES. NOW, YES. QUINT. YES. SHRIVES. YES. MCDONALD. YES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND, UH, BRING, BRINGING IT BACK FOR DISCUSSION ON, UM, ITEM SIX, WHICH IS A RESOLUTION REAFFIRMING THE CITY'S COMMITMENT TO IMMIGRANTS, INCLUS, INCLUSIVITY AND COMPLIANCE WITH CALIFORNIA LAW, INCLUDING SB 40 54. UM, I'D LIKE TO INVITE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER TO CARLY TO LEAD THE CONVERSATION. THANK YOU. SO I, I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS ONE A LOT. UM, IT'S, IT'S A HUGE TOPIC FOR US. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT IN CALIFORNIA. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE ALL WANT TO PROTECT EVERYBODY THAT'S IN OUR COMMUNITY. YOU KNOW, WE'RE MADE UP OF MANY DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS AND CULTURES AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S PART OF WHAT MAKES US WHO WE ARE HERE. UM, YOU KNOW, I AM, I'M A LITTLE UNCERTAIN ABOUT THIS RESOLUTION BECAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE CONSIDERED IT FROM ALL SIDES. UM, YOU KNOW, IN READING THROUGH EVERYTHING THAT I'VE BEEN GIVEN, IT, IT POINTS OUT A LOT OF THE PROS. BUT THEN, UM, WHAT, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE THE POSSIBLE REPERCUSSIONS THAT WE COULD BE FACING AS, AS A CITY OR OR COMMUNITY BECAUSE OF IT? AND, AND I'M, I'M NOT SURE THAT THIS PUTS A TARGET ON OUR BACK, BUT I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE IT DOES. AND SO I, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE ERIC DANLEY TO KIND OF WEIGH IN ON THIS A LITTLE BIT AND, AND TELL US, UM, IF, IF THIS DOES PUT US IN A DIFFICULT SPOT OR ATTRACT MORE ATTENTION THAN MAYBE IS NECESSARY, I'D BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS THAT. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, PLEASE, IF YOU LIKE. OKAY. THANK, THANKS. COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLI FOR THE QUESTION. UM, WE, UH, THIS IS, THIS IS BASICALLY, UM, BRINGING BACK, UM, AN ACTION THAT THE COUNCIL TOOK PREVIOUSLY UNDER THE PREVIOUS TRUMP ADMINISTRATION AFTER CAREFUL CONSIDERATION, UM, AND DISCUSSION AMONG THE STAFF. AND, UM, I BELIEVE IN THE PUBLIC TOO. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE REASONS I'VE ALWAYS BEEN, UH, PROUD DURING MY TENURE, UM, AS PETALUMA CITY ATTORNEY TO SERVE THE CITY IS THE WAY THAT OUR CITY COUNCIL HAS DIRECTED, AND OUR STAFF HAVE IMPLEMENTED, UM, ACTIONS THAT REALLY FOCUS ON RESULTS AND NOT, UM, AND NOT, UM, AND, AND, AND, AND PUT SUBSTANCE, UM, BEFORE FORM. UM, AND THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THAT. UM, WHAT THIS RESOLUTION REALLY AFFIRMS IS I, I BELIEVE, AND IS INTENDED TO AFFIRM, IS OUR RESPECTIVE COMMITMENTS TO UPHOLDING OUR OATHS OF OFFICE AND TO PROTECTING THE CONSTITUTIONAL STATUTORY RIGHTS OF OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS. UM, SO WHAT I WOULD SAY IS TO THE EXTENT THAT, UM, PUTS A TARGET ON OUR BACKS, THEN I GUESS THAT'S ONE THAT WE SHOULD WEAR. UM, SINCE WE'RE LITERALLY DUTY BOUND, EACH OF US THAT HAVE TAKEN THE OATH OF OFFICE TO DO JUST THAT. UM, I, WHEN I LOOK AT THE RESOLUTION, AND, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S NO COUNCIL DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS OR, OR QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLEY OR OTHERS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS THEM. BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, IT BASICALLY SAYS WE'RE GONNA FOLLOW THE LAW, UM, AND UPHOLD, UM, OUR DUTIES AS, AS A LOCAL GOVERNMENT. THERE, UM, IS A PRETTY CAREFUL FRAMEWORK [00:55:01] OF STATE LAW IN CALIFORNIA, WHICH WE'RE OBLIGATED TO FOLLOW. AND THE OTHER CITIES ARE TOO. UM, THAT ESSENTIALLY PREVENTS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FROM ABSORBING, UM, STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS, UM, A, A A AS ACTORS ON BEHALF OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. AND THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH, UM, THE PROVISIONS IN THE CONSTITUTION AND THE 10TH AMENDMENT THAT RESERVE TO THE STATES, UM, AND TO THE PEOPLE, THE POWERS THAT ARE NOT ASSIGNED TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. THOSE ARE VERY IMPORTANT, UM, DISTINCTIONS IN OUR CONSTITUTIONAL FRAMEWORK. AND THEY'RE ONE, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY LOCAL GOVERNMENTS CAN BE THE CRUCIBLE OF EXPERIMENTATION AND INNOVATION AND THE, UM, THE GREATEST, THE MOST RESPONSIVE, UM, TO THE PUBLIC FORM OF GOVERNMENT THAT THEY'RE INTENDED TO BE. UM, SO I THINK THAT'S ALL REFLECTED IN THE RESOLUTION, UM, TO THE EXTENT, UM, WELL, I, I THINK IT CAREFULLY ADHERES TO THE LAW AND OUR LEGAL RESPONSIBILITIES AS PUBLIC OFFICIALS, LOCAL GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS, AND AS A CITY. UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY IT'S, IT INTENDED TO, UH, TO DO THAT IN A WAY THAT'S REASSURING TO OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS. AND HOPEFULLY IT IS, I THINK IT'S INTENDED TO BE, BUT I'LL STOP THERE AND IF THERE ARE FURTHER QUESTIONS TO THE COUNCIL, HAPPY TO ADDRESS 'EM. HEY, ERIC, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR ME TO TAG IN HERE, UM, AND I SEE CHIEF MILLER, BUT THE CITY WE PURPOSELY CHOSE NOT TO USE THE, CAN WE, CAN WE, CAN WE IDENTIFY THE SPEAKER PLEASE? SORRY, SORRY, SUSAN. SORRY. THAT'S MY COLLEAGUE, UH, DYLAN BRADY, WHO'S AN ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY IN MY OFFICE. IF THANK YOU, IF HE COULD BE RECOGNIZED, HE'S GOT SOME COMMENTS. THANK YOU. YEAH, NO, COUNCIL MEMBER DICARLO. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT POINT. I THINK THE ANSWER IS WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE RISKS ARE. I THINK THAT'S THE POTENTIAL, UM, AND UP TO COUNCIL TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT, LIKE ERIC SAID, IT'S, UH, WORTH THE RISK. I WILL POINT OUT THAT THE RESOLUTION DIDN'T GO AS FAR TO SAY THAT THE PETALUMA IS A SANCTUARY CITY. YOU SAW IN DECEMBER, JUST RECENTLY, STEVEN MILLER SENT LETTERS TO I THINK 200, UH, SANCTUARY CITIES AND COUNTIES AND STATES. SO THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT REALLY HAVE THE TARGET IN THE BACK. BUT, UM, I THINK THIS IS CAREFULLY WORDED, LIKE ERIC SAID, NOT TO PUT A TARGET ON OUR BACK. THANK YOU FOR THAT. DYLAN. UH, AND BRIAN MILLER, I'M YOUR POLICE CHIEF. I'M JUST GONNA ADD A FEW COMMENTS. THIS IS DEFINITELY AN AREA THAT, THAT WE AND LAW ENFORCEMENT HAVE BEEN HEAVILY ENGAGED WITH. UM, I JOINED A NUMBER OF OTHER CHIEFS AND THE SHERIFFS JUST LAST THURSDAY NIGHT, THE HISPANIC, UH, CHAMBER OF COMMERCE FOR SONOMA COUNTY. AND WE FIELD IN MANY OF THESE SAME QUESTIONS. I JUST WANNA OFFER AGAIN THAT THE RESOLUTION IS INTENDED TO BE A REAFFIRMING OF WHERE THE CITY'S BEEN IN 20 17, 20 21, 20 23. UH, YOU SAW A STATEMENT FROM MYSELF AND THE COLLECTIVE SONOMA COUNTY LAW ENFORCEMENT CHIEFS ASSOCIATION, WHERE WE ALL SIGNED ON JOINTLY, UH, SPEAKING TO WHAT OUR ROLE ON THIS TOPIC IS, WHAT COMPLIANCE WITH SB 54 AND STATE LAW IS. AND I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO NOTE TWO THINGS. SO, UH, I'VE WORKED IN THE CITY FOR 20 YEARS AND HAVE NEVER BEEN INVOLVED IN AN IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITY IN MY CAREER AND NOT SEEN THAT WITHIN OUR ORGANIZATION. LAW ENFORCEMENT'S DRASTICALLY CHANGED. BUT WHAT WE SEE IMMENSE GREAT IMPACT AND COMMUNITY BENEFIT FROM IS THE PARTNERSHIP OF WHERE EVERYONE IN OUR COMMUNITY FEELS SAFE TO COME FORWARD TO CALL. WE HEARD ABOUT THE BENEFIT OF CALLING AND REPORTING AND, AND SEEING THINGS THAT ARE ACTIVELY OCCURRING IN THE COMMUNITY, AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE LOOKING OUT FOR ONE ANOTHER. WE'RE REPORTING THOSE THINGS SO THAT MY OFFICERS AND OUR STAFF CAN DO WHAT WE ARE CALLED TO DO AND WHAT WE TOOK THE OATH TO DO, WHICH IS ENFORCE, UH, STATE LAW AND THE LAWS THAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO ENFORCE WITHIN OUR JURISDICTION. UM, WITH THAT, TO BE CLEAR AND FOR THE BENEFIT OF SOME OF THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT, SB 54 PROHIBITS US BY STATE LAW. IT MAKES IT A MISDEMEANOR OFFENSE IF WE PARTICIPATE IN ACTIVITIES ASSOCIATED WITH ENFORCING OR APPLYING IMMIGRATION LAW. UH, IT'S ILLEGAL FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT IN CALIFORNIA TO ASK ABOUT QUESTIONS ABOUT SOMEONE'S IMMIGRATION STATUS. SO WE, WE DON'T ASK THOSE QUESTIONS, NOR IS IT REALLY PERTINENT OR RELEVANT FOR THE SCOPE OF THE CRIMES THAT WE'RE INVESTIGATING. AND AGAIN, IT'S ABOUT THE COLLECTIVE BENEFIT. AND SO IN OUR COMMUNITY POLICING MODEL, WE SEE A HIGH, HIGH, HIGH, UM, DIVIDEND FROM INCLUDING AND THE INCLUSIVITY THAT WE SPOKE TO IN THE, IN THE STAFF REPORT AND THAT WE'VE BENEFITED OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. AND I DEFINITELY AM SEEING IN SOME OF THE INCIDENTS THAT WE HEARD TONIGHT, EARLIER THAT WE EXPERIENCED JUST IN TODAY IN THE COMMUNITY, THERE'S, THERE'S A, A LEVEL OF DIVISIVENESS AND DEFINITELY NEED US ALL TO COME TOGETHER SUPPORTING ONE ANOTHER AND, AND FEEL STRONGLY THAT THIS RESOLUTION [01:00:01] SPEAKS TO THAT. YEAH, NO, THANK YOU. PLEASE, CHIEF, AND, AND THANK YOU DYLAN TOO FOR, FOR WHAT YOU SAID. UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND LIKE YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, CHIEF, UM, YOU KNOW, THE GENTLEMAN THAT CAME IN FROM, FROM THE FAIRGROUNDS, YOU KNOW, HE'S, HE'S EXPERIENCING WHAT, WHAT IS HARASSMENT AND THE HATE CRIME. AND, AND YOU KNOW, THIS, THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, THIS WAS ACTUALLY KIND OF SOMETHING THAT I BROUGHT UP IN, IN TALKING ABOUT PROTECTION FOR, UM, FOR, FOR AGRICULTURE. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SO MANY OF THOSE WORKERS IN ALL DIFFERENT FORMS OF AGRICULTURE, UM, COULD BE AFFECTED BY THIS AND OR IF AGRICULTURE GOES AWAY. AND, AND THAT'S PART OF WHERE I WAS SAYING WE NEED MORE PROTECTIONS FOR THOSE PEOPLE. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SO I I, AND LIKE YOU MENTIONED, WE, WE DO HAVE SB 54, WHICH IS, IT'S STATEWIDE. IT COVERS EVERYTHING. AND, AND THIS RESOLUTION DOESN'T NECESSARILY CHANGE THAT. AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, IT'S DIFFICULT BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, I, AND I THINK EVERYBODY ELSE HERE AND EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE GREW UP WITH PEOPLE WHO COULD BE AFFECTED BY THIS. YOU KNOW, SOME OF THEM ARE LIKE FAMILY TO US OR ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WORK WITH THEM AND, AND THEY'RE, LIKE I SAID, THEY'RE PART OF OUR COMMUNITY, THEIR CULTURE, THEIR TRADITIONS, EVERYTHING. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO PROTECT THEM. AND I'M JUST, I'M JUST STILL NOT SURE THAT THIS DOESN'T PUT A TARGET SPECIFICALLY ON OUR BACK. SO. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, YEAH, I THINK, UM, THERE IS, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE THERE'S A SENSE THAT MAYBE MORE COULD, COULD BE DONE. UH, CERTAINLY THE FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER HAS MADE CASE THAT WE COULD STRENGTHEN, UH, THE, THE WORDING HERE. BUT I DO WANT TO, UM, THANK OUR PUBLIC SPEAKERS, UH, FOR MENTIONING THE FOLKS WHO ARE WORKING ON THE GROUND ON THIS ISSUE. UM, THE RAPID RESPONSE NETWORK, UM, WHO HAS THOSE LITTLE CARDS WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH FROM ONE VERSION BACK. AND, UM, ALSO THE SECURE FAMILIES, UH, COLLABORATIVE WHO IS A CONSORTIUM OF AGENCIES AND, AND, AND, UH, NONPROFITS IN THE COUNTY, UH, ADDRESS ADDRESSING THIS. AND THAT'S WHO CAME TO, UH, SPEAK TO ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS OF, UH, OF THE WHOLE SONOMA COUNTY. 'CAUSE THIS IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT, UH, TOPIC AND, UH, I APPRECIATE THE COUNTY BEING THE LEAD IN TAKING A STRONG STATEMENT WITHIN OUR COUNTY. AND, UH, AND DARN THEY GOT OUT THE GATES BEFORE WE DID, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, I THINK EVERYONE IS MAKING, TRYING TO MAKE A STRONGEST STATEMENT AS THEY CAN. DID ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBER WANNA WEIGH IN? UH, COUNCIL VICE MAYOR NOW, UM, I'LL GLADLY SUPPORT THIS, BUT I WANTED TO MENTION THAT AT OUR CITY COUNCIL AND MAYOR'S DINNER MEETING, THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY, UM, SAID THERE'S REPERCUSSIONS. PEOPLE ARE SCARED TO COME FORWARD AND, UM, AND TALK AND, UM, WHAT'S THE WORD I WANT? NOTIFY OF CRIMES BEING COMMITTED. UM, ESPECIALLY DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CRIMES ARE NOT BEING, UM, THEY'RE NOT BEING ADDRESSED BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO COME FORWARD. SO THERE'S A RIPPLE DOWN EFFECT ALL THE WAY TO OUR FAMILIES, ESPECIALLY THE MENTAL HEALTH OF SOME OF OUR TEENAGERS IN OUR COMMUNITY AND THE YOUTH. AND THEY'RE SCARED OF WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS? SO, UM, I WILL MAKE A MOTION, MR. MAYOR, I'LL SECOND ON THAT. , WE HAVE A MOTION FROM THE VICE MAYOR AND A SECOND FROM CATER THOMPSON. AND ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OR WE MOVE TO A VOTE HERE? WE'RE MOVED TO A VOTE. THEN ROLL CALL. VOTE PLEASE. BARNACLE. AYE. CATER THOMPSON? YES. DI CARLY. I'D LIKE TO RESPECTFULLY ABSTAIN NOW. YES. QUINT THE RESOUNDING YES. SCH SHRIMPS. YES. MCDONALD? YES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT BRINGS US TO OUR NEXT [PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION] ITEM, UH, PUBLIC HEARING AND MATTER FOR CONSIDERATION. IT'S AN ADOPTION OF A RESOLUTION APPROVING AN AMENDMENT TO THE LICENSE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE FOURTH DISTRICT AGRICULTURAL ASSOCIATION AND THE CITY WINDING DOWN THE, AND TERMINATING THE LICENSE EFFECTIVE JULY 15TH, 2025 WITH AN UPDATE FROM THE CITY MANAGER REGARDING PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, UH, BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE FOURTH DISTRICT AGRICULTURAL ASSOCIATION. AND, UM, WHO, LET'S SEE HERE. SO I GUESS TO INTER, UH, INTRODUCE THIS ITEM, WE HAVE OUR CITY ATTORNEY, ERIC DANLEY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, TAKE A HEARTBEAT HERE TO ALLOW THE ROOM TO CHANGE. HAPPY TO MAYOR. THANK YOU. YES. [01:05:27] SHALL I BEGIN, MR. MAYOR? PLEASE DO. THANK YOU. SO, UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR, UH, INTRODUCTION FOR THIS ITEM. IT IS HEADED BY ONE OF MY FAMOUSLY CATCHY TITLES THAT PRETTY MUCH SUMMARIZES THE ENTIRE ACTION IN THE TITLE. UM, WHAT THIS, UM, PLACES BEFORE THE COUNCIL IS ACTION TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION THAT WOULD TERMINATE THE LICENSE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE FOURTH DISTRICT AGRICULTURAL ASSOCIATION AND THE CITY, UM, AND WIND DOWN THE, THE ASSOCIATION'S, UM, UM, ONGOING, UM, PRESENCE ON PART OF THE FAIRGROUNDS PROPERTY THAT WOULD TAKE EFFECT ON JULY 15TH OF THIS YEAR. UM, AND WHAT IT WOULD DO IN RESPONSE TO THE ASSOCIATION'S REQUEST IS SHIFT TO, UM, INSTEAD OF RELYING ON THAT LICENSE AGREEMENT FOR THE COOPERATION BETWEEN THE ASSOCIATION, THE CITY TO DELIVER THE ANNUAL FARE. SO THE COUNCIL HAS BEEN COMMITTED TO DOING, AND THIS COMMUNITY WANTS TO INSTEAD, UM, PROVIDING FOR THAT COOPERATION TO OFFER THE FAIR IN 2025. UM, A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT, WHICH THE CITY MANAGER I THINK IS READY TO HELP AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE HIGH POINTS OF, AND I CAN DO THE SAME. UM, AND SO, SO, UM, THOSE, UM, THAT INFORMATION, THOSE DETAILS ARE IN THE PACKET. WE HAD A VERY, UM, UM, UM, CORDIAL AND PRODUCTIVE MEETING WITH, UM, THE ASSOCIATION LEADERSHIP, UH, LAST WEEK TO GO OVER THE FINAL DETAILS FOR THE SERVICES AGREEMENT. UM, AND WE JUST NEED TO MAKE A FEW FINAL CHANGES SO THAT WE CAN GET THAT SIGNED. THIS WOULD, UM, UM, THIS ACTION BY THE COUNCIL WOULD PROVIDE AUTHORIZATION FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO SIGN THAT AMENDMENT, AS I MENTIONED, THAT WOULD TERMINATE THE LICENSE AGREEMENT. UM, BUT IT PROVIDES SOME TIME FOR, FOR THAT TO OCCUR BECAUSE, UM, AHEAD OF AHEAD OF THAT, THE, UM, WE'LL BE WORKING WITH THE ASSOCIATION ON OFFERING THE FAIR. THE OTHER THING I'LL MENTION IN THAT YOU'LL SEE THESE MATERIALS REFLECT IS THAT, UM, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ASSOCIATION'S PROPOSAL, THEIR, UM, THEIR PROVISION OF, OF, OF, OF EVENT SERVICES, UM, FAIR EVENT SERVICES UNDER THE AGREEMENT REALLY FOCUSES ON JUST AG PROGRAMMING AND NOT SOME OF THE OTHER ACTIVITIES THAT, THAT FOLKS ASSOCIATE WITH THE FAIR, LIKE THE CARNIVAL, UM, AND, AND OTHER ENTERTAINMENT ACTIVITIES. THE CITY WILL NEED TO TAKE THOSE ON. SO THAT'S WHAT THIS STRUCTURE PROVIDES. UM, AS I SAID, WE'RE, WE, WE'RE JUST MAKING SOME FINAL, UM, GONNA BE MAKING SOME FINAL CHANGES IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR MEETING WITH THE ASSOCIATION LAST WEEK, UM, THAT, THAT, THAT WE UNDERSTAND WILL BE ACCEPTABLE TO THEM, RELATIVELY MINOR CHANGES THAT FLEXIBILITY IS PROVIDED IN THE RESOLUTION THAT IS ATTACHED HERE FOR YOU. UM, AND PEGGY, I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED US TO RUN THROUGH THE SCOPE OR JUST SEE IF THERE ARE COUNCIL QUESTIONS, BUT LET'S SEE IF THERE'S COUNCIL QUESTIONS. I THINK EVERYTHING'S IN THE PACKET THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S MY OVERVIEW. HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COUNCIL HAS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE, APPRECIATE, UH, WHERE WE'RE HEADED WITH THIS AND KEEPING THE FAIR RUNNING. UH, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? LET'S START WITH COUNCIL MEMBER SCHIBS. OKAY. SO THE QUESTION MAY NOT BE DIRECTLY RELATED TO, UM, THIS EXACT ISSUE ABOUT THE, UH, FOR DAA AND THE FAIR. UM, WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS, UM, THE RELATIONSHIP MOVING FORWARD. IF WE CAN ESTABLISH, UH, WHAT THAT MIGHT BE BECAUSE WE WOULD LIKE TO, AS PART OF THE GOALS THAT WE'VE BEEN ESTABLISHED, IS TO IN INCREASE A YEAR ROUND AG PRESENCE ON THE FAIRGROUNDS. AND WHO'S GOING TO MOVE THAT FORWARD. NOW THAT THIS AGREEMENT IS, IS IN PROCESS, ARE, ARE, IS THE, FOR DAA GOING TO TAKE SOME LEADERSHIP ROLE IN THIS? IS THAT WHAT THEY WANNA DO AND SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA BE HELPING WITH THAT? OR IS THE CITY GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE THE LEADERSHIP ROLE, UM, AND ASK THE DA TO BE PARTNERS IN THIS? AND, UH, WHAT POSSIBILITY, WHAT IS THE POTENTIAL THERE, UH, ONCE THIS AGREEMENT IS MADE FOR MOVING FORWARD DOWN THE ROAD AS FAR AS, UH, DEVELOPING A MUCH LARGER YEAR-ROUND AG PROGRAM? UM, YOU'RE CORRECT. COUNCIL MEMBER SHRIVES, OUR GOAL AS THE COMMUNITY'S GOAL WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD AG ON THE PROPERTY YEAR ROUND. SO, UM, [01:10:01] WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE DA THIS AGREEMENT IS NOT SPECIFICALLY FOR YEAR-ROUND AG, BUT WE HAVE A, A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE DAA, UM, AND WITH THE AG COMMUNITY. AND WE ARE, UM, LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING THAT AS PART OF OUR MASTER PLAN TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PROPERTY IS BEING UTILIZED, AT LEAST IN PART FOR AG. GOOD. JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE, WE ARE, CONTINUE A STRONG PARTNERSHIP IN THIS RELATIONSHIP 'CAUSE WE ARE REALLY GONNA NEED THEM TO MOVE FORWARD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, COUNCILMAN DI CARLY? UM, I'D KINDA LIKE TO SECOND WHAT JOHN SAID ABOUT HAVING MORE OF AN AG PRESENCE AT THE FAIRGROUNDS AND MAIN, MAKING SURE THAT WE KEEP THAT. UM, BUT I, I DO HAVE QUESTIONS THOUGH ABOUT THE, THE PROCESS OF HOW WE GOT TO HERE. AND, UM, I KNOW THAT OPTION A FOR THE, FOR THE FOURTH DAA WAS WAS THAT THEY TAKE OVER RENTALS AGAIN BECAUSE IT WAS DISCOVERED THAT THEY, THEY WERE LOSING ABOUT $600,000 A YEAR WITH, WITHOUT THAT ABILITY, UM, TO HAVE INCOME. AND SO HOW, HOW WAS IT THAT WE ARRIVED AT THAT DECISION TO JUST MAKE THEM, UM, THE AG EXHIBITOR DURING FAIR? I WOULD SAY, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLY THAT, UM, IF WE WOULD'VE SHIFTED BACK TO THE ORIGINAL, UH, UH, AGREEMENT, OR NOT EVEN THE AGREEMENT, THE ORIGINAL, UH, PARTNERSHIP THAT WE HAD WITH THE DAA, IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN A FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE DECISION TO HAVE THEM TAKE BACK OVER THAT PART OF THE, THE FAIRGROUNDS. UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT, UM, WHAT IS THE PLAN GOING FORWARD WITH THIS AGREEMENT, BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S, IT'S KIND OF A ONE-TIME AGREEMENT ARE, ARE WE GONNA TRY TO SECURE SOMETHING LONGER SO THAT FOR EACH SUCCESS AFFAIR, THEY'RE, THEY'RE CONTINUING TO COME BACK. WE'D LIKE TO DO THAT. WE'RE GOING TO SEE HOW THIS WORKS OUT. UM, OBVIOUSLY WE ARE GONNA BE PAYING A LOT FOR THIS PORTION OF THE FAIR AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UM, IT WORKS OUT FOR THE DA AND IT WORKS OUT FOR THE CITY AS WELL. MM-HMM . AND MOST IMPORTANTLY FOR THE COMMUNITY. MM-HMM . AND JUST AS A REMINDER, WE HAVE $13 MILLION OF DEFERRED MAINTENANCE ON THE PROPERTY. SO RIGHT NOW, THE REVENUES ARE GOING TO NOT ONLY PROVIDE FOR COMMUNITY ACCESS, UM, AT NO CHARGE FOR A LOT OF THE COMMUNITY, UM, ACCESS ON THE PROPERTY, BUT ALSO INTO THE, UH, DEFERRED MAINTENANCE INTO THE PROPERTY. AND THEN, UM, I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT IS THE PLAN GOING FORWARD WITH THE LIVESTOCK EVACUATION FOR, FOR WILDFIRES OR, OR OTHER EVENTS? BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN THE DAA, UM, PACKS UP AND MOVES OUT ON JULY 15TH, UM, THEY'RE GONE AND THEY'RE VERY SPECIALIZED IN THAT. THEY'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR YEARS AND THEY'VE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB IN RECEIVING AND TAKING CARE OF ANIMALS. AND, YOU KNOW, I I THINK THAT WE SHOULD REALLY CONSIDER ANOTHER CONTRACT WITH THEM IN THE EVENT OF AN EMERGENCY THAT THEY'RE BROUGHT BACK IN. UH, BECAUSE OTHERWISE THE, THE NEXT CLOSEST PLACE IS, I FORGET IF IT'S ALAMEDA, BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A SIGNIFICANT DISTANCE. AND, YOU KNOW, IN THAT AMOUNT OF TIME, ANIMALS GET LOST. AND COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLY, UM, AS WE'VE SEEN IN THE FIVE DECLARED EMERGENCIES THAT WE'VE HAD, AT LEAST SINCE I'VE BEEN CITY MANAGER, THAT OUR COMMUNITY COMES TOGETHER, WHETHER IT'S THE DAA, THE HALTER PROJECT, SONOMA COUNTY FAIRGROUNDS, UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS THAT WANNA COME TO THE TABLE THAT ARE VERY SPECIALIZED AND KNOW HOW TO HANDLE THAT. AND I WOULD EXPECT THE DA WOULD WOULD DEFINITELY BE INTERESTED IN HELPING US AT IN THAT EVENT. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, UH, FROM THIS SIDE. AND I'D LIKE TO GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT THEN, AND I'D LIKE TO ASK OUR CLERK TO INVITE PUBLIC COMMENT. YES. UH, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ATTENDING IN PERSON SHOULD BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY ON SALE. ARE THESE FOR THIS ITEM OR FOR THE NEXT? NEXT ITEM. FOR THE NEXT ITEM. OKAY. UM, SPEAKERS ARE REMINDED TO BE RESPECTFUL IN THEIR COMMENTS AND THAT THIS MEETING IS BEING TRANSLATED. PLEASE PAUSE BETWEEN SENTENCES FOR TRANSLATION. UH, WE HAVE ONE PUBLIC SPEAKER FOR, UH, THIS ITEM. IT'S SELENA MARDA, AND I'D LIKE TO INVITE YOU TO COME UP AND SPEAK. WE'RE SETTING THIS AT THREE MINUTES. HEY, MY NAME IS SELENA MARDA. I WON'T TAKE THREE MINUTES. UM, WE HAVE A DAIRY HERE IN PETALUMA, AND I WAS AT THE MEETINGS WHEN THE FAIRGROUNDS ISSUE FIRST CAME UP AND THIS PLACE WAS PACKED ALL THE WAY OUT. AND WE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE [01:15:01] ASKING FOR THE FAIR TO STAY AS IT WAS. AND I DON'T FEEL THAT THE COMMUNITY WAS LISTENED TO AT THAT TIME. AND SO I AM VERY NERVOUS ABOUT THE TOPICS IN PETALUMA THAT MAYBE YOU GUYS DON'T LISTEN TO WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS. I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE OF, OF THE COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT. IT'S VERY DISCOURAGING WHEN PEOPLE SHOW UP AND ARE NOT LISTENED TO. THAT'S WHEN YOU GET THE COMMUNITY TO BACK OFF AND STOP SUPPORTING WHAT YOU'RE DOING. SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT YOU GUYS CHANGE THAT A LITTLE BIT HERE. THIS IS A LONG, HARD FIGHT. WE'RE ALL WORRIED ABOUT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO THE FAIRGROUNDS. IT'S OUR ONE SPOT IN TOWN THAT DOES SUPPORT AND PROMOTE AGRICULTURE. I LOVE TO HEAR THAT THERE WILL BE ONGOING YEAR ROUND AG, BUT I KNOW THAT THE CEO OF THE FAIRGROUNDS AT THE TIME THAT THIS STARTED, SUPPORTED THAT AND TRIED TO TO PRESENT THAT TO YOU ALL. AND IT DIDN'T HAPPEN PERSONALLY. I RUN AN ANIMAL EVAC CREW. WE GET ANIMALS OUT OF THE FIRE ZONES AND THE PETALUMA AFFAIRS IS ONE OF THE PLACES THAT WE BRING THE ANIMALS TO. I KNOW THAT AS SOON AS A FIRE STARTS, NORCAL LIVESTOCK EVACUATION IS MY CREW. WE GET A PHONE CALL FROM MARTIN THAT RUNS THE FAIRGROUNDS. MARTIN DOESN'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH HIS JOB. MARTIN HAS SET THOSE FAIRGROUNDS UP EVERY SINGLE TIME FOR OUR GROUP WHERE WE HAVE BROUGHT THOUSANDS OF ANIMALS OUTTA THE FIRES. IS THAT GONNA GO AWAY? WE'RE NERVOUS ABOUT THAT. YOU BRING UP THE SONOMA COUNTY FAIRGROUNDS. WE HAD TO EVACUATE THE SONOMA COUNTY FAIRGROUNDS IN THE LAST FIRE THEY WENT TO PETALUMA. YOU JUST BROUGHT UP THAT ALAMEDA WAS THE NEXT CLOSEST. THAT IS THE NEXT CLOSEST. AS SOMEONE WHO HAULS A LOT OF ANIMALS OUTTA THE FIRES, THAT'S THE NEXT PLACE WE'D HAVE TO GO. THAT PUTS A LOT OF STRESS ON THE PEOPLE IN PETALUMA TO OPEN UP THEIR PRIVATE RANCHES FOR EVACUATIONS THAT'S DANGEROUS FOR THE PEOPLE OF YOUR, OF YOUR TOWN AND YOUR COMMUNITY. WE'RE NOT PROTECTED LIKE THE FAIRGROUNDS ARE. WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR PROTECTION FOR AGRICULTURE, AND WE KEEP ON BEING TOLD THAT IT'S NOT NECESSARY. I WANT YOU ALL TO PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE FAIRGROUNDS RIGHT NOW. DO YOU KNOW THAT IT'S BEING VANDALIZED BY THESE EXTREMIST GROUPS? DO YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S SPRAY PAINT ON IT RIGHT NOW THAT SAYS, NO. FAIR. DO YOU KNOW THAT MARTIN WAS FOLLOWED HOME AND HIS OWN PERSONAL VEHICLES VANDALIZED FROM THESE EXTREMIST GROUPS? SO I WOULD LOVE TO SEE ALL OF YOU TAKE AGRICULTURE PROTECTION A LITTLE BIT MORE SERIOUSLY IN OUR TOWN. 'CAUSE THE ROOTS RUN DEEP HERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A, UH, LATE ENTRY HERE. UH, PATRICE TUTTLE BROWN. I ACTUALLY CAME FOR THE NEXT ITEM, BUT AND DIDN'T KNOW THIS WAS ON. UH, I APPRECIATE MS. MORE'S, UH, THOUGHTS ABOUT HOW MUCH OPINION THERE'S BEEN ABOUT THE FAIRGROUNDS. AND I WANTED TO ADD THAT. I THINK I'LL SEND YOU ALL AN ESSAY THAT I WROTE TWO YEARS AGO THAT I THINK, UM, I WOULD PERSONALLY LIKE TO BE INVOLVED. I'M JUST A CITY PERSON, BUT I THINK THAT THE FAIRGROUNDS, UM, ESPECIALLY THIS THINKING OF IT AS THE SONOMA MARIN FAIRGROUNDS, UM, IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PETALUMA TO REMAIN SUPPORTIVE OF AGRICULTURE AND MEASURE. J UM, WAS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW THE CITY, CITY FOLKS LIKE ME AND THE OTHER, BECAUSE WE CAN VOTE, I GUESS IT WAS A COUNTY MEASURE, BUT, UM, BELIEVE THAT, UH, FARMING IS IMPORTANT AND THAT PETALUMA AND SONOMA COUNTY IS ON THE CUSP OF LOSING MOST MANY OF ITS OLDER FARMS AS PEOPLE AGE OUT AND THEIR CHILDREN DON'T WANNA DO IT. AND I THINK THAT IF WE COULD CREATE AT THE FAIRGROUNDS A YEAR ROUND ABILITY TO TEACH AND PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THESE YOUNG PEOPLE WHO APPARENTLY WANNA BE FARMERS BUT DIDN'T INHERIT A FARM, IF WE COULD BECOME MAYBE EVEN NATIONWIDE, HOW DO WE BE ORGANIC AND, UM, BEYOND PUBLIC LAND? AND, UH, I, I THINK WE HAVE A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY AND FAIRGROUNDS ALL OVER THE STATE ARE SHUTTING DOWN AS FARMERS DIE OFF. AND WE DON'T, LET'S FACE IT, WE ALL EAT. SO I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THAT AND WOULD LOVE TO BE OF USE ON THAT ISSUE. AND I WILL SEND THAT ESSAY, I MIGHT EDIT IT SLIGHTLY, BUT IT WAS TWO YEARS AGO. BUT, UM, THINK ABOUT THAT AS A, AS A POTENTIAL HUGE BENEFIT TO THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY AND POSSIBLY THE NATION, BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW SMART FARM SMALL FARMS ARE DYING OUT. SO THANK YOU. THAT WAS OUR, UM, LAST PUBLIC SPEAKER ON THE TOPIC AND I BRING IT BACK TO NAAS, MR. MAYOR FOR COMMENT AND I'LL PASS IT OVER TO, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON. I HAVE A COMMENT. UM, A COUPLE COMMENTS. UM, YEARS AGO WE WERE TALKING WITH THE FOURTH DAA, THIS IS [01:20:01] GOING BACK 25 YEARS ABOUT HAVING AG ON SITE AND HAVE IT, UM, AND HAVING SCHOOL CHILDREN COME. AND THAT WAS 25 YEARS AGO AND THEY NEVER DID IT. SO I'M HEARING THAT IT'S NOT THE CITY THAT WASN'T DOING THAT. IT WAS THE FOURTH DAA THAT WAS NOT PROVIDING THOSE SERVICES. SO I WANNA BE CLEAR ON THAT. AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, WHEN I HEAR THE WORD EXTREMIST GROUPS, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHO THESE EXTREMIST GROUPS ARE AND WHERE YOU'RE GETTING THAT INFORMATION FROM, BECAUSE THAT'S HYPERBOLIC IS WHAT YOU, YOU KNOW, JUST, IT'S KINDA LIKE BEING ON NEXT DOOR AND THROWING OUT ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT. I CAN GIVE YOU AN , BUT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AN I'M SPEAKING PLEASE, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING EXTREMIST GROUPS, THAT'S ALARMING. AND TO THROW THAT OUT, IT'S ALMOST PUTTING THE PUBLIC IN FEAR. AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND, UM, COUNCIL VICE MAYOR NOW. WELL, THANK YOU. UM, I'M EXCITED TO SEE THE FOURTH GA DO WHAT THEY DO BEST. AND THAT IS SHOWCASE, UM, AGRICULTURE FOR THE FOUR DAYS OF THE PETALUMA FAIR. I AM OLD SCHOOL PETALUMA. WE, I SPENT THE WEEK AT THE FAIR SHOWING ANIMALS. I HAD BLACK ANGUS, I SHOWED, UM, AND I ALSO HAD MY JAMS AND BREADS AND COOKIES, UM, ON DISPLAY IN THE EXHIBIT HALL. UM, SO I'M EXCITED TO HAVE THE CITY STEP FORWARD AND BE THE, THE FAIR MANAGER, SO TO SAY, UH, FOR THE EXPOSITION HALL SO THAT LOCAL BUSINESSES CAN SHOWCASE THEIR BUSINESS IN OUR EXHIBIT HALL. UM, I GREW UP CALLING IT THE FLYNN PHLEGM AND WHEN I WAS A FORER, I WASN'T ALLOWED TO GO IN THE CARNIVAL AREA, SO I'D LIKE TO SEE A NICE CLEAN CARNIVAL AREA, UM, TO TAKE MY GRANDKIDS. AND WE JUST HAD A NICE CARNIVAL OVER THE WEEKEND. UM, I DIDN'T GO, THE GRANDKIDS WERE ALL SICK, BUT, UM, WE HAVE COW BARNS ON THE FAIRGROUNDS CAMPUS OR PROPERTY, AND WE COULD SHOWCASE THEM EVEN AFTER THE FOUR DAYS OF THE PETALUMA FAIR. AND WE HAVE THE MILKING BARNS AND WE CAN HAVE THE DAIRY PRINCESS COME AND WE CAN SHOWCASE. WE JUST HAVE TO WORK WITH LIKE THE DAIRY ASSOCIATION. AND AS FAR AS, UM, THE, UM, AV M FLU, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE POULTRY, BUT, UM, WE CAN HAVE OUR LOCAL, UM, LIBERTY FARMS. THEY COULD COME OUT WITH THEIR EGG TRAILER AND EDUCATE, UM, AND NOT BRING THE CHICKENS, BUT SHOW WHERE EGGS, I KEEP SAYING PETALUMA AS EGGS GO TO ESE. ANYWAY, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY SHINE WITH THE PETALUMA 2025 PETALUMA FAIR. AND I'M SUPER EXCITED AND I WILL DO ANYTHING FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR. UM, I'M STILL VERY, UM, UM, PART OF THE PRESCHOOL AS A VOLUNTEER AND A GUEST AT THE PRESCHOOL SHOWCASING COMPOSTING AND SUSTAINABLE AGRICULTURE AND HAVING MY MOM COME WITH THE BEES. SO WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING AS FAR AS THE, THE VERY FIRST 2017, UM, FIRE, UM, EVACUATION, UH, MARTIN CALLED US TEACHERS AND WE WERE THE FIRST ONES TO COME. WE DID, WE WERE NOT PREPARED. WE ARE NOW PREPARED, SO IF THERE IS AN EVACUATION, BUT WE WERE BRINGING THOSE POOR ANIMALS AND TRAILERS, LITTLE SAND BUCKETS OF WATER BECAUSE THEY HAD BEEN DRIVING AROUND ALL NIGHT WAITING FOR US TO OPEN UP THE FAIR. SO WE'RE GONNA BE MORE, UM, PREPARED WHEN AN EMERGENCY HAPPENS AND WE NEED TO BE AN EVACUATION SITE. SO I'M REALLY IMPRESSED WITH THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON BEHIND THE SCENES WITH THE, UM, TOM JORDAN AND OUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. AND I HOPE THAT THEY GO TO THE MOBILE HOME PARKS AND HELP WITH THEIR EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS. BUT, UM, I'M PRETTY PROUD OF THE CITY AND WHAT WE'RE DOING. AND I WILL BE BEHIND THE FOR TA IN ANY WAY I CAN AND THE CITY OF PETALUMA. AND I WILL, UH, MOVE THE MOTION WHEN IT'S TIME TO DO THAT. MR. BAYER, UM, HOLD THAT THOUGHT, RIGHT? UHHUH OVER HERE. ANYONE? UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS? QUINT. SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THE, YOU KNOW, OVER THE LAST 15, 20 YEARS OR SO, UH, THE FAIRGROUNDS, THE GROUNDS THEMSELVES HAVE DETERIORATED AND THEY HAVEN'T BEEN THE CROWN JEWEL OF PETALUMA THAT THEY CAN BE. AND SO I'D LIKE TO JUST SAY THAT I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY. I'M REALLY EXCITED THAT OUR CITY STAFF HAD THE COURAGE TO STAND UP AND TAKE ON THIS BIG PROJECT. AND FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, THE INTENT MOVING [01:25:01] FORWARD IS TO REALLY TAKE THIS BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S IN THE MEN IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR, IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR TOWN AND TURN IT INTO SOMETHING SPECIAL. THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. IT'S GONNA TAKE SOME TIME, BUT I LIKE THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE GOING AND I REALLY APPLAUD THE STAFF FOR TAKING ON THIS DIFFICULT JOB. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLY. UM, SO SPEAK TO WHAT JANICE SAID FOR A SECOND. AND I'LL PERSONALLY WORK ON A LIST TO, TO GIVE TO YOU OF PEOPLE SUSPECTED OF, OF DOING THIS TYPE OF VANDALISM, UM, BECAUSE THEY DO SEEM TO BE VERY EXTREME, UM, IN MOST CASES. UM, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I I JUST KIND OF WANNA VOICE MY, MY DISAPPROVAL FOR THE, THE PROCESS TO, TO THIS POINT, UM, TO THE AGREEMENT. YOU KNOW, GOING BACK TO 1910, THE CITIZENS OF PETALUMA, THEY PASSED A BOND, UM, THAT, THAT PROPERTY WOULD BECOME A FAIRGROUNDS AND THAT IT WOULD BE KEPT AS SUCH. IN 1911, WE HAD THE FIRST FAIR, AND THEN ALL THE WAY INTO 1936, THAT'S WHEN THE FOURTH DAA CAME ABOUT. AND THEY'VE BEEN A PARTNER WITH PETALUMA EVER SINCE IN THAT 89 YEARS, WHICH IS NEARLY A CENTURY OF, OF PARTNERSHIP. AND I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT THEY'VE BEEN TREATED LIKE SOMEBODY WHO'S BEEN A PARTNER WITH, WITH YOU FOR THAT LONG. UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, THE BUILDINGS ARE RUN DOWN THERE, THE FAIRGROUNDS DOES LOOK BAD. UM, BUT I THINK FOR PROBABLY ABOUT 20 YEARS THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET A NEW LEASE. AND SO WHY WOULD THEY CONTINUE TO INVEST MILLIONS IN, IN SOMETHING THEY DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE A FUTURE WITH, YOU KNOW, AT ONE POINT IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, I THINK I DO BELIEVE THEY DID COME TO THE CITY WITH, YOU KNOW, THE POTENTIAL FOR $20 MILLION TO BUILD A NEW EMERGENCY CENTER THERE. UM, THEY, THEY COULD HAVE DONE THAT, BUT THEY DIDN'T GET A LEASE, AND SO THEY WEREN'T ALLOWED TO DO IT. BUT ALL OF THAT SAID, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I DO WANT TO SEE THEM CONTINUE ON. I DO WANT TO SEE THEM BE SUCCESSFUL THERE AND CONTINUE TO SHOW ANIMALS AND SUPPORT AGRICULTURE AND PROMOTE IT. AND, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. AND SO, WHILE THEY'RE KIND OF PULLING BACK FROM WHAT THEY'VE BEEN FOR THE LAST, AGAIN, ALMOST CENTURY, UM, I DO WANNA SUPPORT THEM GOING FORWARD AND HELP PROMOTE THEM FROM, FROM HERE OUT AND HOPE THAT, THAT THE CITY IS ABLE TO SUCCESSFULLY MAINTAIN AND KEEP THE FAIRGROUNDS GOING FOR ANOTHER CENTURY SO THAT ALL OF OUR OTHER GENERATIONS CAN ENJOY IT. THANK YOU. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I DID, I APPRECIATE HEARING, UH, THE WORD INFRASTRUCTURE SHOW UP, UM, AND WHAT'S NEEDED AT THE FAIRGROUNDS FOR INFRASTRUCTURE. I MEAN, IT'S SUCH A TIDY WORD. UH, IT DOESN'T REALLY INCLUDE COLLAPSING, GRANDSTAND, RED TAG BUILDING, SEWER SPILL, YOU KNOW, ALL, ALL THE INVESTMENT THAT NEEDS TO GET MADE AND, AND THE DAA, UH, DID NOT HAVE A WHEREWITHAL TO ADDRESS. AND SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE CITY STEP IN AS PARTNER AND, AND PRESERVE WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT AS, UH, THE KEY ELEMENTS OF THE FAIR THAT OUR HISTORY WITH, UH, OUR, UH, AGRICULTURE COMMUNITY, WHICH WILL BE INCLUDED IN OUR MASTER PLAN WHEN WE START THE MASTER PLAN FOR RE REENVISIONING. AND I'M SURE EMERGENCY PROVISION IS, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE KEY THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, HUMAN EMERGENCIES, ANIMAL EMERGENCIES, YOU KNOW, FROM FIRE AND, AND ALL EMERGENCY, UH, THE FAIRGROUNDS IS OUR, OUR KEY CENTER AND OUR RESILIENCE CENTER. RESILIENCY CENTER WILL BE A KEYSTONE OF THAT. UM, YOU KNOW, UM, THINGS THAT WERE PROMISED IN PAST DAYS, UM, YOU'RE EASY TO PROMISE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS NEVER ANY PAPER, REAL PAPER ON IT. SO, UM, IT BECOMES, UH, THINGS WE REMEMBER THAT MAY OR MAY NOT, UM, ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN TRANSACTIONAL. BUT I, I THINK FEDERAL HAS A BIG CONNECTION WITH, UH, AG THAT WE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN CURRENTLY. I MEAN, COUNCIL MEMBER DE CARLY MENTIONED THIS RECENTLY. WE LOST 1212 DAIRIES, UH, RECENTLY. AND, UH, WE'RE SEEING THE DISPLACED PERSONS FROM THERE IMPACTING OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING MIX HERE IN TOWN. YOU KNOW, THAT THERE, THERE YOU'RE SEEING THAT, UM, UH, A A POINT RAISE ACTION GROUP TO TRY AND HOUSE FOLKS, BUT THAT OVERLOAD GOES TO THE COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE THE WHEREWITHAL TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND SO WE'RE SEEING THAT LOAD, UM, ON OUR WAIT LIST NOW. AND I THINK WE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO BE RESPONSIVE. WE NEED TO HELP IN THAT ISSUE. UM, THE OTHER THING I, WE TALK ABOUT, UH, AN INCUBATOR AG GROUP AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE MAYOR, A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL COME AND TELL YOU INTERESTING STORIES. SOMEONE HAS LAND, THEY COME AND TELL ME, I'VE GOT LAND. I WANNA PUT IT INTO A, A, UM, A, A FARM FOR, FOR YOUTH. I, I HAVE A VISION FOR A THING. AND, AND ALL IT TAKES IS A SPONSORSHIP GROUP. IT'S NOT A COUNTY PARK. IT'S NOT A CITY PARK, IT'S GONNA BE AN AG GROUP. SO IF ANYONE IN THE ROOM HAS A CONNECTION WITH A GROUP WHO WANTS TO HELP START A, A FARM OF THAT NATURE, AND IT'S A LARGE PARCEL. IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THE TWO ACRE GARDEN THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. I MEAN, IT'S FARM. SO IF ANYONE HAS IDEAS LIKE THAT, I'D LOVE TO BE [01:30:01] CONNECTED WITH THAT. BUT I DO APPRECIATE STAFF'S WORK. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM THE VICE MAYOR ON THE ITEM. UH, CAN WE GET A, A SECOND ON THE ITEM? I'LL SECOND THAT. WE HAVE A SECOND FROM CATER THOMPSON. AND A ROLL CALL VOTE BARNICLE. AYE. KATE THOMPSON? YES. DI CARLY? YES. NOW YES. QUINT. YES. SHRIVES? YES. MCDONALD? YES. MOTION CARRIES. WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. UM, AND THAT MOVES US TO, UM, ITEM EIGHT. UM, AND, AND, UH, THAT'S A RESOLUTION TO CERTIFY THE FINAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT, UM, FOR THE DOWNTOWN HOUSING AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY OVERLAY AND EKN APPALACHIAN HOTEL PROJECT. AND TO, UH, HAVE A RESOLUTION TO ADOPT A GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT TO INCREASE THE ALLOWABLE FLOOR AREA RATIO FOR AREAS WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN HOUSING AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY OVERLAY FROM 2.5 TO 6.0. AND TOGETHER WITH RELATED FINDINGS AND ALSO AN INTRODUCTION OF FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER TWO OF THE PETALUMA IMPLEMENTING ZONING ORDINANCE TO ADD DOWNTOWN HOUSING AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY OVERLAY TO THE LIST OF OVERLAY ZONES, UM, PROVIDED. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AS, AS WE START THIS, AND I'M SURE IT'S THE MAIN EVENT AND WHY EVERYONE'S HERE TONIGHT, AND SO I APPRECIATE EVERYONE BEING HERE. UM, AND, AND, AND UNFORTUNATELY, UM, WE STARTED EARLY SO WE COULD START THIS MEETING EARLY, AND THAT'S GONNA WARRANT ALL OF US TAKING ABOUT A FIVE MINUTE RECESS. AND WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK IN OUR SEATS. I'M SORRY I DIDN'T TELL ANYBODY ELSE, BUT IF THE CLERK COULD POST UP OUR RECESS FOR FIVE MINUTES, THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. SO AGAIN, THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR ATTENDING THIS EVENING. UM, WE'VE BEEN ON A LONG ROAD TOGETHER. AND, UM, BEFORE WE START THE I ITEM THIS EVENING, I THINK I WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO REMIND US, ALL OF US HERE TONIGHT, COUNCIL STAFF COMMUNITY ABOUT A COUPLE OF THINGS. UM, ONE IS, COUNCIL IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING LAND USE POLICY. YOU ELECT THE COUNCIL, BUT COUNCIL'S RESPONSIBLE AND STAFF ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR, UM, IMPLEMENTING COUNCIL POLICY. YOU'RE AT THE RIGHT PLACE TONIGHT. THE COUNCIL'S HERE TO HEAR YOU AND TO MAKE A DECISION IN ANY ATTACKS ON STAFF, CONTRACTOR OR OTHERWISE ARE MISGUIDED AND INAPPROPRIATE AND, UM, NOT TO BE TOLERATED. THEY'RE NOT, THAT'S NOT PART OF THE HELPFUL DISCUSSION. AND, UH, SO LET'S STAY AWAY FROM THAT KIND OF ISSUE TONIGHT. UM, ALSO ON THE BACKGROUND OF THIS PROJECT AND, UH, CONSIDERATION AND EVOLUTION, EVOLUTION THAT'S TAKEN PLACE TO THIS DATE. LET'S RECAP. UH, THE CITY RECEIVED AN APPLICATION FOR THE EKN HOTEL IN 2022. IT'S BEEN A MINUTE. UM, THE CITY IS REQUIRED BY STATE LAW TO PROCESS ALL DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS THAT ARE SUBMITTED. UH, AS PART OF THAT REVIEW, IT WAS IDENTIFIED THAT THE, AS PROPOSED THE HOTEL WOULD EXCEED THE CITY'S APPLICABLE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR THE MU TWO ZONING DISTRICT, WHICH PROJECTS LOCATED IN AND CONSISTENT WITH REQUIREMENTS OF PERMIT STREAMLINING ACT. THE CITY REVIEWS THE APPLICATION AND INFORMED THE APPLICANT THAT THE PROPOSED PROJECT WAS INCONSISTENT WITH CURRENT HEIGHT FLOOR RATIO, LOCK COVERAGE, AND COULD NOT BE RECOMMENDED AT THAT TIME, RECOGNIZING THE POTENTIAL ECONOMIC, UH, DEVELOPMENT BENEFITS OF THE PROPOSED HOTEL PROJECT. AND CONSISTENT WITH THE NUMBER OF GOALS AND POLICIES IN THE CITY'S GENERAL PLAN, THE CITY CONSIDERED A RANGE OF OPTIONS FOR THE PROJECT. AND I'M NOT GONNA DETAIL ALL THE DIFFERENT PATHWAYS, BUT THAT'S HOW WE GOT HERE TONIGHT. UH, THE ITEM BEFORE THE COUNCIL TONIGHT WAS DEVELOPED AS PART OF A DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE CITY, AND FOR WHICH THE CITY HAS A LEGAL OBLIGATION TO PROCESS. IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT CITY COUNCIL AND NOT STAFF, UM, CONTRACTED OR OTHERWISE MAKE LAND USE POLICY. AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING. SO PLEASE REFRAIN FROM MAKING PERSONAL ATTACKS ON STAFF, AS WE'VE HEARD IN THE PAST. UM, AND, UH, WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS THE FINAL E AR AND THE OVERLAY. THE OVERLAY OFFERS A ZONING TOOL TO ALLOW THE CITY TO GRANT FLEXIBILITY FROM CERTAIN DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND WITH DISCRETION TO CONSIDER ON A PROJECT BY PROJECT BASIS TO ALLOW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HOUSING CATALYST PROJECTS ON UNDERUTILIZED PROPERTIES IN THE CENTER OF OUR COMMUNITY WHILE TRYING TO STRENGTHEN AND PROTECT OUR HISTORIC [01:35:01] DOWNTOWN. UM, I THINK THAT'S EN ENOUGH OF MY INTRODUCTORY, UH, REMARKS. I HAVE, UM, THE THOUGHTS ON IT, I'LL SAVE TILL WE HAVE AS COUNCIL, BUT I'D, I'D LIKE TO INVITE OUR STAFF TO, UH, START OUR STAFF PRESENTATION AND, UM, WE HAVE, UH, BRIAN O OUR DIRECTOR OF, UH, UM, AND BEFORE WE PROCEED INTO THAT, I'D LIKE TO, UH, INVITE, UH, UH, THE COUNCIL TO MENTION ANY RECUSAL THEY HAVE. AND I'LL START WITH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLY. SO I JUST WANT EVERYBODY, LET EVERYBODY KNOW OUT THERE THAT TONIGHT I'M BEING FORCED TO RECUSE MYSELF FROM THE DECISION. IT'S BEEN DETERMINED THAT OF ALL THINGS, MY HOME IS TOO CLOSE TO ZONE A, THE CORNER OF IT. I'VE BEEN ACTIVELY WORKING ON FINDING WAYS THAT I CAN PARTICIPATE AND PERFORM MY ELECTED DUTIES. UM, AND I I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT I SHOULD BE ENTIRELY EXCLUDED BASED ON SOME OF MY RESEARCH. I WISH THAT INSTEAD OF FINDING REASONS THAT I CAN'T PARTICIPATE, THE CITY WAS MORE INTERESTED IN FINDING WAYS THAT I CAN, BUT I'VE BEEN ALONE ON THAT. I WOULD THINK THAT SENIOR STAFF WOULD WANT ME TO PARTICIPATE AND A DECISION AS PIVOTAL AS THIS ONE BECAUSE OF HOW IT WILL AFFECT OUR TOWN AND FOR THEM TO FIND REASONS FOR ME, UM, NOT FOR MY SAKE, BUT FOR THE DISTRICT THAT I REPRESENT, WHICH IS COMPRISED OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE. AND THERE ARE THOUSANDS MORE IN THE TOWN WHO FEEL THE SAME WAY. YOUR VOICE REALLY DOES MATTER. AND SO I HOPE THAT THE PUBLIC WILL LET THE CITY KNOW WHAT THEY THINK TONIGHT, AND I WILL CONTINUE TO FIGHT TO BE A PART OF THIS DECISION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. EXCUSE ME, MR. MAYOR? YES. COULD I ADDRESS THAT BRIEFLY? THANK YOU. PLEASE ADDRESS IT. UM, SO, UH, UM, I, AS THE COUNCIL KNOWS, UM, AND MANY THE PUBLIC KNOW, UH, AS THE CITY'S ATTORNEY, I HAVE A DUTY TO, UM, MAINTAIN THE CONFIDENTIALITY OF COMMUNICATIONS, UM, WITH THE COUNCIL AND STAFF REGARDING LEGAL ISSUES AFFECTING THE CITY. AND, AND I AM COMMITTED TO MAINTAINING THAT DUTY. UM, THE CONFLICTS OF INTEREST LAWS ARE, ARE, UM, THOSE OF THE STATE AND THE CITY'S LOCAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST CODE. AND MY OFFICE AND THE REST OF STAFF ARE ALWAYS, UM, EAGER AND ACTUALLY OBLIGATED TO DO OUR BEST TO ENSURE THAT OUR CITY'S ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES ARE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE DECISION MAKING OF THE CITY TO THE FULLEST LAWFUL EXTENT. AND WE, AND I REMAIN COMMITTED TO THOSE RESPONSIBILITIES. UM, SO, UM, THANK YOU MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND, UH, WE'LL TAKE A LITTLE MINUTE TO ALLOW COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLY TO EXIT. THAT'S RIDICULOUS. WHY CAN'T HE STAY TO HEAR IT? YEAH, WHY CAN'T, SO, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER DECAR IS THIS EXCUSING HIMSELF IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FAIR POLITICAL PRACTICES, UM, REGULATIONS THAT PROVIDE THAT WHEN A MEMBER OF A LEGISLATIVE BODY. OKAY. UM, EXCUSE ONE SECOND IF I COULD. LET'S GET TO THAT. SO WE WON'T GET VERY FAR TONIGHT WITH SHOUTING. WE WON'T GET VERY FAR IN THIS. THE ATTORNEY IS EXPLAINING FURTHER IF YOU JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION, LET HIM DO THAT. SO I'D INVITE ONE OF THE OFFICERS TO EXPLAIN, I, I'M READY TO FINISH ANSWERING THE QUESTION WHEN THE MAYOR WOULD LIKE, THANK YOU. PLEASE CONTINUE THAT EXPLANATION OF HOW A RECUSAL WORKS. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO THE REGULATIONS OF THE FAIR POLITICAL PRACTICE COMMISSION, UM, THAT'S CHARGED WITH, UM, IMPLEMENTING THE POLITICAL REFORM ACT, PROVIDE THAT WHEN A LEGISLATIVE BODY MEMBER, COUNCIL MEMBERS PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS, OTHER CITY LEGISLATIVE BODIES, UM, HAVE WHAT'S CALLED A DISQUALIFYING CONFLICT UNDER THE REGULATIONS, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO STATE THE REASON FOR THE CONFLICT. UM, AND AS, UM, UNLESS IT IS THE ACTION REGARDING WHICH THEY HAVE A CONFLICT IS ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR TO EXCUSE THEMSELVES FROM THE CHAMBERS. SO THAT COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLY HAS JUST DONE THAT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE REGULATIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE EXPLANATION. AND NOW WE'LL MOVE INTO THE STAFF. MAYOR, CAN I JUST ADD THAT IT'S GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 8 7 1 0 5 THAT REQUIRES, UH, OFFICIALS THAT NEED TO RECUSE TO LEAVE THE MATTER OR LEAVE THE ROOM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND LET'S BEGIN OUR PRESENTATION. I BELIEVE WE HAVE, UH, BRIAN O, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND OLIVIA IRVIN, PRINCIPAL ENVIRONMENTAL [01:40:01] PLANNER, AND ANDREW TRIPLE PLANNING MANAGER TO TAKE IT AWAY. THANK YOU, MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL, MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, BRIAN O DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. UM, WE APPRECIATE THE, UM, SCHEDULING AND AND TIME THIS EVENING TO COME BACK TO YOU AS COUNCIL, UH, BASED ON HOW WE WERE DIRECTED, UH, IN NOVEMBER. UM, AND SO WE HAVE ROUGHLY A 30 TO 35 MINUTE PRESENTATION, UM, COVERING, UH, BOTH THE FIRST WE'LL COVER THE OVERLAY, UM, AND THEN CLOSE OUT WITH THE EIR. UM, AND SO I'LL DO A, A BRIEF INTRODUCTION. UM, MAYOR, THANK YOU FOR THE, THE REMARKS, OPENING REMARKS. I'LL, UH, TOUCH ON SOME OF THOSE THAT YOU WERE MENTIONING, AND THEN I'LL PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL INTO HOW WE GOT HERE BEFORE TURNING IT OVER TO ANDREW. SO, UH, JUST LIKE THE OVERLAY DESCRIBES IT'S, UH, DOWNTOWN HOUSING AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES. UH, SO THERE'S TWO PRIMARY COMPONENTS OF, UH, WHAT HAS BROUGHT US HERE. UM, NEXT SLIDE. ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY BEING THE FIRST ONE. UH, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF, UH, MY ROLE AS DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, UM, WE ARE OFTEN NOT ONLY BEING RESPONSIVE TO DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS THAT GET SUBMITTED, AND THEN WE ARE RESPONSIVE, UH, IN ACCORD IN ACCORDANCE TO THE PERMIT STREAMLINING ACT. UH, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT, UH, WAYS TO, UH, IMPROVE AND ENHANCE, UM, THE COMMUNITY, UH, THROUGH DIFFERENT, UM, MECHANISMS. AND SO ONE WAY, UM, THAT WE DO THAT IS THROUGH OUR GENERAL PLAN AND ZONING. UM, AND SO THE, ONE OF THE PRIMARY COMPONENTS OF THIS OVERLAY LOOKS AT, YOU KNOW, HOW CAN WE REDEVELOP, UH, CREATE ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES, UH, THROUGH OUR ZONING TO FURTHER INCENTIVIZE AND ENHANCE OUR DOWNTOWN ECONOMY FOR OUR COMMUNITY. UM, AND THAT THERE, THE, UM, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS JUST A, A SNIPPET OF, UH, A LOT OF EXTENSIVE WORK THAT HAS GONE INTO THIS PROCESS. UH, YOU KNOW, GOING INTO DETAIL, LOOKING AT EACH OF THE, UM, OVERLAY SUB AREAS, UM, TO REALLY GET TO THIS QUESTION OF, YOU KNOW, HOW CAN WE, UH, CORRECTLY DO REDEVELOPMENT AND STILL ENHANCE AND PROTECT OUR HISTORIC RESOURCES? NEXT SLIDE. THE OTHER COMPONENT TO THIS IS HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. AND SO, AS PART OF THE PROPOSED OVERLAY, UM, UH, THERE ARE INCENTIVES AND, UM, UH, CONSIDERATIONS THAT A FUTURE PROJECT, UH, COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, UH, TO FURTHER INCENTIVIZE HOUSING, UH, IN OUR DOWNTOWN. YOU KNOW, THIS IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR GENERAL PLAN. UM, OUR CURRENT AND, UH, GENERAL PLAN UPDATE THIS QUESTION ABOUT HOW DO WE, UH, CREATE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES, NOT JUST, UH, THROUGHOUT THE CITY, BUT ALSO IN HIGH RESOURCE AREAS, UH, NAMELY OUR DOWNTOWN. AND SO THIS IS JUST A SCREENSHOT OF WHAT WE'RE STARTING TO SEE JUST ON THE FRINGES OF OUR DOWNTOWN, UM, JUST TO THE NORTH ON PETALUMA BOULEVARD, THIS IS A HUNDRED PERCENT, UM, AFFORDABLE MID PEN PROJECT, AND THE FOREGROUND IN THE BACKGROUND IS LAVIA. AND SO YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT REDEVELOPMENT HAPPENING, UH, BOTH ALONG THE BOULEVARD. UM, AND THEN ALSO SOME, UH, PRETTY AMAZING STUFF HAPPENING ALONG WATER STREET. UH, AND SO ONE OF THOSE PRIMARY COMPONENTS OF INCENTIVIZING HOUSING, UH, IS, UM, A HUNDRED PERCENT HOUSING PRODUCT. SO RIGHT NOW, UH, IN OUR DOWNTOWN IT'S, UM, MIXED USE PROPOSALS. SO RETAIL ON THE GROUND FLOOR, HOUSING ON TOP. UM, SO ONE OF THE KEY CHANGES, UH, THAT, UM, OUR DECISION MAKERS CAN CONSIDER AT A PROJECT BY PROJECT BASIS, UH, WOULD BE A POTENTIAL PROJECT THAT COMES IN AT A HUNDRED PERCENT HOUSING. NEXT SLIDE. AND SO WHY THE OVERLAY? SO, UM, IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO REDEVELOP OUR HISTORIC DOWNTOWN. AS THE MAYOR MENTIONED, THERE ARE, UM, OPTIONS. THERE WAS A, A FEW DIFFERENT PATHS THAT WE CONSIDERED. UM, YOU KNOW, AS THE PROJECT WAS SUBMITTED, UM, IN EARLY 2023, UH, WE EXPLORED, YOU KNOW, ALL THE OPTIONS. UM, YOU KNOW, WOULD WE POTENTIALLY BE ABLE TO, UH, LOOK AT A VARIANCE WITH, UM, [01:45:01] FROM OUR ZONING CODE. UH, YOU KNOW, WE EVEN LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, IS THE RIGHT APPROACH TO REZONE ALL OF MIXED USE, UH, SHOULD WE CONSIDER A CITYWIDE EXCEPTION PROCESS. UM, AND SO THESE ARE, THIS WAS SORT OF THE, UM, THE THINKING THAT ULTIMATELY BROUGHT US TO THE OPTION OF, UH, PRESENTING AN OVERLAY. UM, AND SO THIS WAS AN OPTION PRESENTED TO THE APPLICANT. UM, AND SO WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT APPROACH FOR, UM, I HAD JUST MENTIONED A TH UH, THREE OF A NUMBER OF, UM, CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE BALANCE, BUT PRIMARILY WE WANTED TO ENSURE THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A DISCRETIONARY REVIEW PROCESS SO THAT OUR DECISION MAKERS, UH, WOULD EVALUATE EACH PROJECT AS THEY COME, UM, AND ARE SUBMITTED. UM, WE WANTED TO ENSURE, SO THERE'S MITIGATION MEASURES WITHIN THE EIR, UH, TO ENHANCE OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION, UM, OF OUR HISTORIC RESOURCES. SO THAT'S ON TOP OF EXISTING, UM, RULES THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE. UM, AND SO THIS IS, UH, GOING TO BE EXPANSIVE. AND THEN ALSO WE WANTED TO TAKE A MORE SURGICAL LOOK AT THE BOUNDARIES. SO, UM, ANDREW WILL WALK THROUGH, UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DETAIL ON HOW WE CAME DOWN TO THE MOST RECENT, UM, OVERLAY THAT WAS RECOMMENDED BY PLANNING COMMISSION. AND SO, UH, WHAT DOES THE OVERLAY DO? SO IT FACILITATES RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, IT PROVIDES FOR ORDERLY ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY CREATION OF ECONOMICS WITH FUTURE, UH, PROJECTS. UH, FOR EXAMPLE, A HOTEL RETAIL OFFICE. UM, IT ENSURES PRESERVATION OF EXISTING HISTORIC BUILDINGS, CULTURAL RESOURCES, UM, AND OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT. UH, IT ALSO INTRODUCED WHAT I MENTIONED WAS INTRODUCE NEW DESIGN, LAND USE CONTROLS, UH, THAT STRENGTHEN, UM, AND PROVIDE, UH, A MUCH MORE CLEAR WAY OF HOW TO REDEVELOP, UM, SOME OF OUR OPPORTUNITY SITES DOWNTOWN AND MAKE IT MORE WALKABLE, MAKE IT MORE FRIENDLY, UM, FOR PEOPLE TO ENJOY OUR DOWNTOWN. UM, AND THEN ALSO WE, UH, WHEN I MENTIONED THE SURGICAL APPROACH, IT'S TO INCORPORATE SITES WITH THE GREATEST OPPORTUNITY FOR REDEVELOPMENT. SO WE LOOKED AT VACANT PARCELS, UM, UNDERUTILIZED PARCELS, UM, UH, AS WELL AS ONES THAT, YOU KNOW, MAY HAVE, UM, MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR REDEVELOPMENT. SO THIS IS AN EXCERPT FROM THE, UM, APPLICATION THAT'S SUBMITTED, UH, BY EKN. UH, IT TAKES, MOST OF THIS IS A PAGE OUT OF THE PAGE REPORT. AND SO THIS IS ONE OF THE TECHNICAL REPORTS THAT WAS DONE AS PART OF THE EIR. UM, AND I WANTED TO JUST PULL THIS OUT, UH, BEFORE TURNING TO RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, TO JUST HIGHLIGHT THE, THE WORK THAT WILL GO INTO THIS. AND SO THE TOP LEFT HAND CORNER, UM, IS THE, UH, PROPOSED HOTEL. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH NOW, SO THIS PIECE, THIS PORTION OF THE WORK HAS NOT BEEN, YOU KNOW, COMPLETE AT THIS POINT. UM, WE LOOK AT THE CONTEXT OF A FUTURE PROPOSAL AS IT RELATES TO, UH, THE REST OF OUR, UM, TOWN AND SO, OR ESPECIALLY HERE IN THE DOWNTOWN. UM, SO ALL OF THAT, LOOKING AT THE CONTEXT, IS IT GOING TO IMPACT HISTORIC RESOURCES? THAT'S ALL DONE AT THE PROJECT LEVEL. AND THEN THE NEXT TWO SLIDES ARE JUST A HIGH LEVEL SUMMARY OF, UH, WHAT'S BEFORE YOU, UH, THIS EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL. UH, ONE OF TWO RECOMMENDATIONS. FIRST IS WE ARE BACK TO YOU, UM, WITH THE FINAL EIR AND AS DIRECTED, WE HAVE PUT IN, UM, SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL, UM, UH, AMENDMENTS THAT YOU HAD ASKED, UH, STAFF TO PREPARE. UM, AND THEN PART OF, UH, WHAT THE FINAL EIR ENTAILS IS, UM, YOU KNOW, REAFFIRMING WHAT THE DRAFT SAID, UM, AS WELL AS, UM, BEING RESPONSIVE TO EACH AND EVERY COMMENT THAT HAD COME THROUGH IN THAT PROCESS. AND SO, UM, THE FIRST OF TWO RECOMMENDATIONS IS TO CONSIDER A RESOLUTION TO CERTIFY THE FINAL EIR, UM, FOR THE PROJECT. AND SO IN THIS, UM, INSTANCE, IT'S BOTH THE OVERLAY AND THE HOTEL. SO HAVE WE ADEQUATELY, UM, EXPLORED AND EVALUATED THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS? UM, AND, UH, ON THE NEXT SLIDE WILL BE THE SECOND RECOMMENDATION. UM, AND THAT WOULD BE, UH, THE CREATION OF THE OVERLAY. SO THIS WOULD ADOPT [01:50:01] THE RESOLUTION, UH, FOR THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT FOR THE FLOOR AREA RATIO, UM, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE, UH, MITIGATION MEASURES, UM, THAT, UH, ARE BEING PROPOSED AS PART OF THE EIR. AND THAT SECOND, YOU KNOW, OF THE TWO RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD BE THE, THE INTRODUCTION. SO INTRODUCE THE ORDINANCE, UH, AMENDING THE ZONING CODE, UH, TO ALLOW FOR THE OVERLAY PROCESS TO BE CONSIDERED FOR A FUTURE PROJECT, UH, THAT WILL NEED TWO READINGS. AND SO TONIGHT THE CONSIDERATION WOULD BE JUST THE INTRODUCTION, UM, OF THE ORDINANCE. AND WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO ANDREW TO TALK THROUGH THE DETAILS OF SAID ORDINANCE. GREAT. THANK YOU BRIAN. AND GOOD EVENING MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND, UH, THE COMMUNITY. MY NAME IS ANDREW TRIP. I'M THE PLANNING MANAGER, AND I'LL BE, UH, PRESENTING ON THE OVERLAY THIS EVENING. WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THE PROJECT DESCRIPTION, UH, AS IT'S, UH, BEEN PROPOSED AND AS IT WAS REVIEWED, UH, THROUGH THE EIR PROCESS. UH, WE WILL LOOK AT WHAT'S BEEN DONE SINCE 2023 WHEN THE OVERLAY WAS BROUGHT FORWARD, UH, THROUGH THE PUBLIC REVIEW PROCESS. UH, WE'LL EXPLORE SOME TOPICS FOR CONSIDERATION, MANY OF THOSE REFLECTING, UH, CONVERSATION WITH THE COUNCIL IN, UM, NOVEMBER OF 2024, AND THEN LOOK AT SOME MODIFICATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE IN RESPONSE AND THE REQUIREMENTS FOR APPROVAL. SO IN TERMS OF LOCATION AND CONTEXT, VERY BROADLY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT APPROXIMATELY 10 ACRES OR 25 PARCELS IN THE CITY'S DOWNTOWN AREA. AS YOU CAN SEE, SUB AREA WOULD CONS, A WOULD CONSIST OF APPROXIMATELY 2.7 ACRES OR 13 PARCELS, SUBAR B AT 0.9 ACRES OR TWO PARCELS, AND THEN SUB AREA C AT 3.17 ACRES OR 10 PARCELS. ALL OF THE, UH, SUB AREAS, A THROUGH C ARE WITHIN ONE HALF MILE OF THE DOWNTOWN PETALUMA SMART STATION. THEY ARE APPROXIMATE TO THE PRIORITY DEVELOPMENT AREA AS ESTABLISHED BY MTC, AND, UH, THEY ARE WITHIN A HIGH RESOURCE NEIGHBORHOOD OPPORTUNITY AREA, UH, AS DEFINED BY THE STATE. IT'S A, SO WE CAN SEE , WE CAN SEE HERE SOME OF THE HIGHER LEVEL, UM, POLICY DOCUMENTS THAT, THAT, UH, AFFECT OR, OR PARTICIPATE IN THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE OVERLAY. THE FIRST IS THE PRIORITY DEVELOPMENT AREA THAT EXTENDS, UM, FROM, UM, EVEN EAST OF LAKEVILLE STREET ACROSS THE RIVER INTO PETALUMA BOULEVARD SOUTH. THEN, OF COURSE, OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS. UM, AT THE LOWER PORTION OF THE PICTURE, WE SEE THE, A STREET HISTORIC DISTRICT. THEN AS WE MOVE UP IN THE IMAGE, WE GET TO THE COMMERCIAL HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHICH IS ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER. TO THE RIGHT THEN IS THE, UH, LOCALLY DESIGNATED HISTORIC DISTRICT, DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT IS NOT ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER. AND THEN UP ABOVE THAT, WE SEE THE BEGINNING OF THE OAK HILL BREWSTER HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND THEN THE OUTLINE IN, UM, RED IS THE PARKING ASSESSMENT DISTRICT THAT'S BEEN ESTABLISHED IN THE DOWNTOWN. WE ALSO SEE TWO RADII. THE FIRST IS THE QUARTER MILE FROM SMART, AND THE SECOND IS THE HALF MILE FROM SMART. BOTH OF THOSE RADII COME INTO EFFECT AS WE APPLY STATE HOUSING LAWS IN DIFFERENT WAYS, UM, TO HOUSING DEVELOPMENT THAT'S PROPOSED IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE ONE HALF MILE, UH, SMART RADIUS, UH, IS ESTABLISHED AND WE DO CONSIDER AND ENFORCE THAT BASED UPON A POLICY, ADMINISTRATIVE POLICY, WHICH IS THAT IF A PORTION OF A PARCEL IS WITHIN ONE HALF MILE OF THE SMART RADIUS, THE ENTIRE PARCEL IS CONSIDERED TO BE WITHIN ONE HALF MILE. AND THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH, UM, HCD GUIDANCE. UH, TAKING, UM, A STEP BACK TO EARLY 2003 WHEN, UH, THE OVERLAY CAME FORWARD AS A ZONING AMENDMENT APPLICATION. WE, UH, WE ESTABLISHED A STUDY AREA THAT'S BOUNDED ROUGHLY BY WELLER STREET, UH, WASHINGTON STREET, THEN COMING DOWN HOWARD STREET TO, UM, SIXTH STREET AND THEN ACROSS ON D STREET. AND SO WE DID THAT FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS. WE WANTED TO BE SURE THAT WE WERE ALL ENCOMPASSING AS WE STUDIED THE AREA, NOT AS WE ESTABLISHED THE OVERLAY BOUNDARY, BUT AS WE STUDIED THE AREA, WE ALSO WANTED TO ENSURE THAT WE WERE FULLY INCLUSIVE OF THE VARIOUS, UM, COMBINING DISTRICTS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. AND SO HERE WE LOOK AT THE CURRENT GENERAL PLAN LAND USE DESIGNATIONS. AGAIN, THIS IS 2023 DATA THAT HAS NOT CHANGED SINCE WE SEE THAT A MAJORITY OF THE, UH, STUDY AREA IS A MIXED USE IN THE LIGHT PURPLE OR LAVENDER COLOR WITH A, ESPECIALLY A CLOSER INTO THE DOWNTOWN AREA. SOME, [01:55:01] UM, AREAS OF PUBLIC OR SEMI-PUBLIC USE, UM, WHICH ARE IN THE LIGHT BLUE COLOR. AT BASICALLY AT THE CENTER OF THE SCREEN, YOU CAN SEE THAT SORT OF RECTANGULAR PIECE OF LIGHT BLUE PUBLIC, SEMI-PUBLIC, AND THAT'S THE KELLER STREET GARAGE TO GIVE YOU AN ORIENTATION. AND THEN WE MOVE ON TO THE CURRENT ZONING MAP, MODIFIED SLIGHTLY, UM, FOR THE EFFECT OF THE REZONING OF THE OYSTER COVE PROJECT, UH, FROM RIVER DEPENDENT INDUSTRIAL TO MIXED USE OVER TO THE RIGHT OF THE RIVER, UM, AS IT'S DISPLAYED IN THE IMAGE. BUT AGAIN, A MAJORITY OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA IS THE MIXED USE IN THE DARK PURPLE, SURROUNDED BY, UM, THE R TWO RESIDENTIAL AND R THREE RESIDENTIAL IN THE LIGHTER YELLOW COLORS. OUR CURRENT HISTORIC DISTRICT HERE, WE HAVE THE BOUNDARIES OF, AGAIN, AT THE, AT THE LOWER PORTION OF THE IMAGE, THE A STREET HISTORIC DISTRICT. THEN AS WE MOVE UP TO THE CENTER PART OF THE IMAGE, PETALUMA HISTORIC COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, WHICH IS THE NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT, AND THEN TO THE RIGHT, THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHICH IS A LOCALLY DESIGNATED HISTORIC DISTRICT DISTRICT THAT IS NOT, UH, FEDERALLY LISTED. AND THEN UP ABOVE WE HAVE A, A BETTER PERSPECTIVE ON, UM, THE BREADTH OF THE OAK HILL BREWSTER HISTORIC DISTRICT AND ITS RELATIONSHIP TO DOWNTOWN. AND THEN THE, UH, A BUILDING HEIGHTS ANALYSIS THAT WAS CONDUCTED AS PART OF THE, UH, 2003 STUDY. I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT HERE THAT IN 2003, WHEN WE BEGAN STUDYING THE AREA, WE REALLY, WE DID TWO THINGS. WE LOOKED AT IT FROM A SUBJECTIVE PERSPECTIVE. SO WE WERE STUDYING, UM, THE APPLICATION OF GUIDING PRINCIPLES OF THE VISION IN, IN THE CURRENT GENERAL PLAN, UH, ADOPTED PRINCIPLES IN THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE AND VARIOUS POLICIES. WE CAN THINK OF THOSE AS BEING MORE SUBJECTIVE AND IN AND OPEN TO INTERPRETATION IN THEIR APPLICATION. BUT THEN WE ALSO USED, UM, OBJECTIVE DATA TO GUIDE US. AND SO WE BEGAN LOOKING AT, SPECIFICALLY AT BUILDING HEIGHTS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. AND WE CAN SEE HERE THAT THIS IS PART OF THAT BUILDING HEIGHTS ANALYSIS. AND THEN IT STARTS TO TAKE DIFFERENT FORMS LOOKING AROUND A MORE BROADLY IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA AT VARYING HEIGHTS, WHERE THOSE ARE HAPPENING, UH, AND, AND WHAT IS, WHAT WAS DRIVING THOSE HEIGHTS AT THE TIME OF DEVELOPMENT. THEN WE WENT AND LOOKED AT HOW THAT HEIGHT LOOKS IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE STREET. SO, SO LOOKING AT IT FROM THE, THE PERSPECTIVE OF A PERSON ON THE STREET, AND THEN ALSO LOOKING ACROSS IT, UH, FROM FURTHER DISTANCES, AND THIS IS JUST AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE ROLLING THROUGH SOME OF THE, UH, MORE QUANTITATIVE ANALYSIS THAT WAS COMPLETED. WE ALSO, UH, DID A, A PARCEL BY PARCEL SURVEY, AND WE ANALYZED EXISTING LAND USES, UH, LOOKING AT THEM THROUGH THE LENS OF THE ZONING DISTRICTS. UH, SO THESE ARE NOT EXACTLY THE ZONING AS, AS APPLIED BY THE ZONING MAP, BUT RATHER REFLECTING THE EXISTING LAND USES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN PLACE, UM, IF YOU WERE TO WALK DOWN THE STREET AND, UH, AND MAKE OBSERVATIONS. AND THEN FINALLY, WE DID A PARCEL BY PARCEL ANALYSIS, COLLECTING A VARIETY OF DATA. AND, UH, WITH THOSE DATA, WE WERE ABLE TO THEN SHAPE WHAT WE REFER TO AS OUR OPPORTUNITY SITES CRITERIA. SO THE OPPORTUNITY SITES FROM UPPER LEFT, VACANT LOTS, THEN, UH, MOVING ON TO VACANT STRUCTURES, NEXT SURFACE PARKING LOTS. AND, UH, SO WE BEGIN TO SEE THAT IN SOME CASES THERE ARE VACANT AREAS THAT, THAT, UM, COULD SUPPORT FUTURE INVESTMENT AND REVITALIZATION. BUT THEN THERE'S AREAS OF UNDERUTILIZATION AS WELL WHERE, UM, YOU KNOW, A MIXED USE PROJECT OR, OR A HIGHER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL PROJECT COULD BE ESPECIALLY BENEFICIAL AND COULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF AND IMPLEMENT PRINCIPLES AND THE VISION AND THE POLICIES CONTAINED IN THE GENERAL PLAN, UH, AS WELL AS PRIORITY DEVELOPMENT AREA AND THE VARIETY OF OTHER POLICY DOCUMENTS. WITH THAT, THEN, UH, WE WENT THROUGH A PROCESS OF IDENTIFYING WHAT WAS INITIALLY BROUGHT FORWARD IN 2003 AS THE OVERLAY BOUNDARY, UH, THROUGH, UH, REVIEW AUTHORITY STUDY SESSIONS, UM, COMMUNITY MEETINGS, PUBLIC INPUT RECEIVED THROUGH COMMENT AT BOTH, UH, COMMUNITY MEETINGS, BUT ALSO WRITTEN COMMENTS AND CONVERSATIONS, UH, WITH, WITH, UH, LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS. EVENTUALLY, THOSE SUB AREAS WERE, UH, MORE SPECIFICALLY DEFINED AND REDUCED IN SCOPE, AND THEN BECAME WHAT WE REFER TO NOW AS SUB AREAS A, B, AND C, AND YOU CAN SEE THOSE IDENTIFIED HERE IN THE FUTURE COLOR. AND HERE THEN WE SEE AREAS A AND B AND C IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS. SO SUB AREA A, UM, HAS, UH, TWO VACANT PARCELS AND ONE DEVELOPED [02:00:01] PARCEL WITHIN THE, UH, HISTORIC COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. THE TWO VACANT PARCELS ARE THE SITE OF THE PROPOSED E CAN N HOTEL. THEN, UM, SUB AREA B, WHICH IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH THE CHASE BANK. UH, AND INCIDENTALLY, THE BANK IS LISTED AS A NON CONTRIBUTOR TO THE DISTRICT, BUT WE CAN SEE THAT A PORTION OF SUB AREA B IS WITHIN THE COMMERCIAL HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND THEN FINALLY, SUBAR C, WHICH SITS FULLY OUTSIDE OF, UM, THE, UH, COMMERCIAL HISTORIC DISTRICT, AS WELL AS, UH, THE OAK HILL BREWSTER HISTORIC DISTRICT. IN TERMS OF SHARED CHARACTERISTICS, BOTH, UH, SUB AREAS A AND C TEND TO HAVE MORE PARCELS THAT, UM, ARE DEVELOPED FOR PARKING ONLY OR WHERE THE PARKING IS FRONT LOADED. SO WHERE WE SEE THAT WE HAVE PARKING BETWEEN THE STREET AND THE BUILDING, THAT'S PROVIDING TYPICALLY A COMMERCIAL SERVICE. AND THEN ALSO A AND C TEND TO BE MORE SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THE MAJOR THOROUGH AFFAIRS THAT HAVE HEAVIER TRAFFIC VOLUMES. IN THE CASE OF SUBAR C, WE SEE THAT AT, UH, FRONTS WASHINGTON STREET. AND THEN IN THE CASE OF SUB AREA, A OF COURSE, IT'S FRONTAGE ON, UH, PETALUMA BOULEVARD NORTH AS IT HEADS OUT OF DOWNTOWN. SO WE WANNA TALK BRIEFLY AND MAKE SURE AND ENSURE THAT, UH, WE'RE VERY CLEAR ABOUT WHAT THE OVERLAY WILL NOT DO AND WHAT IT WILL DO. FIRST, IT DOES NOT MANDATE OR REQUIRE REDEVELOPMENT OF ANY PARCEL, UH, THAT IS PROPOSED TO BE REZONED TO THE OVERLAY. IT DOES NOT ELIMINATE EXISTING SPAR OR H SPAR REQUIREMENTS. IN FACT, AS, UH, BRIAN POINTED OUT WHAT IT ACTUALLY STRENGTHENED OUR HISTORIC REVIEW PROCESS, UM, IT DOES NOT REPLACE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES. IT CERTAINLY DOES NOT APPROVE THE HOTEL. THERE'S AN EXTENSIVE DISCRETIONARY ENTITLEMENT REVIEW PROCESS THAT THE HOTEL WOULD HAVE TO GO UNDER, GO THROUGH, UH, SHOULD THE OVERLAY BE ADOPTED. IT DOESN'T MODIFY THE BASE ZONING OF ANY PARCELS WITHIN THE OVERLAY. ALL OF THE PARCELS WOULD REMAIN MIXED USE, AND IT DOES NOT ELIMINATE PROJECT LEVEL SQUA REVIEW OR THE REQUIREMENTS FOR SQUA REVIEW. ADDITIONALLY, IT WOULD NOT CONFLICT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE AS WE OBSERVE THE, UH, DRAFT PLAN TODAY, AND IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE PARKING STANDARDS, PARKING ASSESSMENT DISTRICTS WOULD STILL APPLY. AND THEN OF COURSE, UM, STATE LAWS AS THEY RELATE TO, UH, PARKING FOR QUALIFIED RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS WOULD CONTINUE TO APPLY. BUT WHAT WILL IT DO? THEN? IT WOULD ESTABLISH AND REGULATE THE SPECIFIC SUB AREAS, THOSE BEING A THROUGH C THAT I'VE DESCRIBED. IT WOULD ESTABLISH AND STRENGTHEN, UM, PEDESTRIAN FACADE ACTIVATION ZONES ALONG CERTAIN FRONTAGES, WHERE, WHERE WE DO FEEL THAT THAT THAT, UH, MORE ACTIVATED RELATIONSHIP TO THE STREET, UH, THROUGH THE, UM, MORE COMMERCIAL LAND USE IS AS IMPORTANT, BUT IT WOULD ALSO INCENTIVIZE AND SUPPORT GROUND FLOOR RESIDENTIAL IN CERTAIN AREAS. AT PRESENT, OUR MIXED USE ZONE DOES NOT ALLOW, UM, GROUND FLOOR RESIDENTIAL USES. THIS DOES ACTUALLY, AND WE'LL SEE IN A, IN A COUPLE OF SLIDES THAT IT DOES, UM, PROVIDE FOR THAT. IT DOES ESTABLISH A DISCRETIONARY REVIEW PROCESS AND EXTENSIVE REQUIRED FINDINGS TO ALLOW A BUILDING HEIGHT INCREASE TO A MAXIMUM OF 75 FEET. THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO STAGES TO THAT HEIGHT INCREASE, AS WE'LL SEE, AND IT DOES ALLOW FOR A LOT COVERAGE INCREASE TO A MAXIMUM OF 100 FEET. AGAIN, THIS IS THROUGH THE MAJOR CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS FOR WHICH THE REVIEW AUTHORITY IS PLANNING COMMISSION. AND, UH, IT IS SUBJECT TO APPEAL BY AN INTERESTED PARTY. IT WOULD INCREASE THE FAR LIMIT FROM 2.5 TO 6.0. THAT FAR IS CONDITIONAL, UH, REQUIRING THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPROVAL. IT DOES REPLACE EXISTING SETBACK STANDARDS TO ALLOW FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT TO BE, UH, MORE ALIGNED WITH EXISTING DEVELOPMENT, WHICH TYPICALLY IS BROUGHT UP TO THE, UH, SIDEWALK IN DOWNTOWN. AND IT ADDS NEW STEPBACK STANDARDS TO RESPECT BOTH HISTORIC, UH, HISTORIC RESOURCES AS WELL AS TO LESSEN THE IMPACT OF BUILDINGS WHEN VIEWED FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. FINALLY, IF THE NEW ZONING ORDINANCE IS ADOPTED, IF THE OVERLAY IS ADOPTED, UM, IT WOULD BE REVIEWED AGAIN WHEN THE GENERAL PLAN TAKES EFFECT AND WHEN THE NEW GENERAL PLAN IS, UM, CODIFIED THROUGH THE ZONING CODE UPDATE. THE OVERLAY COULD BE BROUGHT FORWARD THROUGH THE ZONING CODE UPDATE PROCESS AS IT STANDS, OR IT COULD BE MODIFIED AT THAT TIME OR, AND, AND FOR THAT MATTER, IT COULD BE REMOVED AT THAT TIME AS WELL. SO ALSO AS WE LOOKED AT THE OPPORTUNITY SITES CRITERIA AT THE, UH, REQUEST OF PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT THEN AS WELL AS, UH, MANY MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, UH, A STUDY WAS CONDITION WAS, UH, COMMISSIONED THROUGH STRATEGIC ECONOMICS, WHO ALSO PROVIDED THE EXISTING MARKETS ANALYSIS FOR THE, UH, GENERAL PLAN UPDATE. THAT STUDY WAS PROVIDED IN THE FALL OF 2020, UH, THREE, AND HAS BEEN AVAILABLE SINCE. [02:05:01] UM, IN SUMMARY, THE, UH, STRATEGIC ECONOMICS ANALYSIS CONSIDERED THAT, UM, AS A REGULATORY INCENTIVE, THE DOWNTOWN OVERLAY COULD SUPPORT THE CITY'S EXISTING GOALS AND POLICIES WHILE NOT REQUIRING DIRECT USE OF CITY BUDGET RESOURCES FOR IMPLEMENTATION. THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT STATEMENT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE, THE OVERLAY AND WHAT IT DOES, BECAUSE IT, IT IS DEFINED AS A REGULATORY INCENTIVE. UM, IT'S VERY STRATEGIC, AS BRIAN POINTED OUT. IT'S ALMOST SURGICAL IN NATURE, INTENDED TO SUPPORT PRECISELY THE SORT OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD RESPOND TO THE GOALS AND POLICIES OF THE GENERAL PLAN AND OF THE CITY. AND SO WHEN WE LOOK THEN AT THE, UH, AT THE CURRENT GENERAL PLAN, WE DO HAVE EXISTING PLANNING SUB AREAS. THE FIRST IS THE DOWNTOWN SUB AREA THAT'S CHARACTERIZED BY ITS HISTORIC BUILDINGS, THE PETALUMA RIVER, AND ITS PEDESTRIAN SCALE DEVELOPMENT. AND THE VISION OF THE GENERAL PLAN IS TO PRESERVE AND ENHANCE THE CHARACTER OF DOWNTOWN TO CREATE A VIBRANT MIXED USE CENTER WITH RETAIL RESTAURANTS, PUBLIC USES, PROFESSIONAL OFFICES AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR RESIDENTIAL USE. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE EAST WASHINGTON CORRIDOR PLANNING SUB AREA. AND THESE CHARACTERISTICS ARE A LOWER INTENSITY RESIDENTIAL USE, PREDOMINANTLY A SINGLE STORY AS WELL AS AUTOMOBILE DEPENDENT. UH, COMMERCIAL USE IS ALSO SINGLE STORY IN NATURE. UM, THE VISION THERE IS FOR A MIX OF HIGHER INTENSITY LAND USES AND STREET SCAPE IMPROVEMENTS, SO THAT WE CAN BOTH ACCOMMODATE AUTOS, BUT ALSO ORIENTING THOSE, UH, THOSE, UM, IMPROVEMENTS TOWARDS A PEDESTRIAN SCALE. SO AT PRESENT, A MA, AS WE SAW THE MAJORITY OF THE GEN, UH, THE, UH, UH, PROPOSED OVERLAY AREA IS DESIGNATED MIXED USE BY THE GENERAL PLAN THAT DOES ALLOW FOR A COMBINATION OF RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES. OF COURSE, WITH THE, UH, COMMERCIAL USES BEING ABOVE, OR SORRY, THE RESIDENTIAL USES BEING ABOVE THE COMMERCIAL USES. UM, AND, UH, IT DOES, UM, CALL FOR A PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT. WE SEE THIS IN THE IMAGE THAT BRIAN POINTED OUT EARLIER, UM, OF 4 1 4 PETALUMA OR WATER STREET RATHER, IN LAVIA, HAVING THAT, THAT PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT BROUGHT UP TO THE SIDEWALK, HAVING THAT TRANSPARENCY, ALLOWING FOR, UM, BOTH COMMERCIAL USES, BUT THEN ALSO THE NEEDS OF THE MULTIFAMILY TO BE EXPRESSED IN THAT GROUND FLOOR. AT PRESENT, THE UH, GENERAL PLAN CALLS FOR MAXIMUM FLOOR AREA, UH, RATIO OF 2.5, UM, FOR THESE MIXED USE DESIGNATIONS AND A MAXIMUM RESIDENTIAL DENSITY OF 30 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. AND SO THE PROPOSED TEXT AMENDMENT, THEN IT WOULD MAINTAIN THAT COMBINED RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL USE REQUIREMENT. IT WOULD MAINTAIN AND FURTHER SUPPORT PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT AS, UH, AS YOU RECALL. AND AS WE'LL SEE IN DETAIL, WE HAVE THESE PEDESTRIAN ACTIVATION ZONES. IT WOULD, IT WOULD, UH, PROPOSE TO MODIFY THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE FAR FOR AREAS WITHIN THE OVERLAY ONLY FROM 2.5 TO 6.0. AND IT WOULD SUBJECT ANY DEVELOPMENT, UH, TO DISCRETIONARY CUP AND SPAR REVIEWS. AND THEN THE, UH, CURRENT ZONING REQUIREMENTS. ON THE ONE HAND, IF WE GO, LET ME GO BACK QUICKLY. SO THIS IS THE GENERAL PLAN, PLAN PROPOSED TEXT AMENDMENT THAT WILL COME BEFORE YOU AND, UH, ITS PARTNER THEN WOULD BE, UM, A ZONING CODE AMENDMENT THAT WOULD, UH, PROPOSE, UM, AMENDING THE CURRENT ZONING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE MIXED USE TWO ZONING DISTRICT. UH, THE MIXED USE TWO DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, UM, BUT IT WOULD NOT AFFECT THE ADDITIONAL ZONING DISTRICTS, THE HISTORIC COMMERCIAL DISTRICT COMBINING DISTRICT OR THE PARKING ASSESSMENT DISTRICT. AND SO HOW THAT LOOKS IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE ZONING MAP TO APPLY THE OVERLAY TO SPECIFIC PARCELS, THOSE BEING THE SUB AREAS, A, B, AND C AS SHOWN HERE. AND THEN ALSO CHAPTER TWO AMENDMENTS TO ADD THE OVERLAY TO 2.1, UH, WHICH IS OUR DEFINITIONS OF, OF, UH, ZONING DISTRICTS. UM, ADDING FOOTNOTES TO THE, UH, CHAPTER FOUR, ALLOWABLE LAND USE TABLES TO 0.2. THEN THE CHAPTER FIVE, UH, ZONING TEXT AMENDMENTS THAT WOULD ESTABLISH AND DEFINE THE OVERLAY ZONES OF PROVIDING GREATER FLEXIBILITY FOR DEVELOPMENT IN THOSE SUB AREAS. A, B, AND C. THESE AMENDMENTS RELATE TO THE, THE, UH, PEDESTRIAN FACADE ACTIVATION ZONES, GROUND FLOOR RESIDENTIAL ALLOWANCES. THE HEIGHT INCREASES OVER 45 FEET. UM, A A MINIMUM GROUND FLOOR HEIGHT OF 14 FEET, AS WELL AS THE SETBACK AND STEPBACK TOOLS, UM, LOCK [02:10:01] COVERAGE AND FLOOR AREA RATIO. SO THEN HOW DOES THIS LOOK WITH REGARD TO THE PEDESTRIAN FACADE ACTIVATION ZONE? IN GROUND FLOOR RESIDENTIAL LAND USES THE, THE PURPOSE AND INTENT OF THE PEDESTRIAN ACTIVATION ZONES IS TO ENHANCE THE, UH, PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE TO ENSURE THAT THE NEW BUILDINGS ARE OCCUPIED BY RE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED USES, AND THAT THEY PRESENT ATTRACTED BUILDING FACADES IN SPECIFIC LOCATIONS TO REFLECT THE LAND USE PATTERNS, AS WELL AS TO ENCOURAGE THE VIBRANCY OF PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED STREETS, UM, THAT ARE CURRENTLY EXIST IN THE HISTORIC CORE OF THE DOWNTOWN. THE GROUND FLOOR RESIDENTIAL USES THEN ARE INTENDED TO CREATE NEW OPPORTUNITIES FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND TO PROVIDE A LAND USE TRANSITION FROM THE RETAIL AND SERVICE IS PROVIDED IN THE DOWNTOWN CORE TO LOWER INTENSITY RETAIL AND RESIDENTIAL AREAS BEYOND THE DOWNTOWN. SO AS WE SEE AN EXAMPLE HERE, SUB AREA A, WE WOULD HAVE, WE'VE, UH, PROPOSED THESE PEDESTRIAN FACADE ACTIVATION ZONES ALONG B STREET, PETALUMA BOULEVARD, AND THEN C STREET AND D STREET ON THE BACKSIDE. THEN OF THOSE BLOCKS ON THE FOURTH STREET SIDE, UH, WHERE WE DON'T HAVE THE ACTIVATION ZONE IDENTIFIED, THEN THERE COULD BE A GROUND FLOOR RESIDENTIAL FRONTING FOURTH STREET THAT DOES REFLECT THE, UH, THE LOWER LEVELS OF ACTIVITY ON FOURTH STREET. BUT THEN WE ALSO DO SEE IT AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SUPPORT AND INCENTIVIZE, UH, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT DOWNTOWN BY ELIMINATING THAT COMMERCIAL, UH, GROUND FLOOR REQUIREMENT IN TERMS OF THE PERMITTED USES WITHIN THE FACADE OF PEDESTRIAN FACADE, ACTIVATION ZONES, ARTISAN SHOPS, LIBRARY MUSEUM AND ART GALLERY, BANKS AND FINANCIAL SERVICES, PERSONAL SERVICES, FITNESS AND HEALTH FACILITIES, OF COURSE, RESTAURANTS, CAFES, AND COFFEE SHOPS, SMALL SCALE RETAIL UP TO 25,000 SQUARE FEET, UH, STUDIOS AND THE FORM OF ART OR DANCE, MARTIAL ARTS, MUSIC AND SO FORTH. AND THEN, UH, GROCERIES AND SPECIALTY FOODS USES OF, UH, 25,000 SQUARE FEET OR LESS. SO WE DO HAVE THAT MIX OF USES, BUT ALSO BEING VERY AWARE OF THOSE USES THAT, THAT WE WANT TO SEE IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA AND ENSURING THAT THOSE ARE PERMITTED. AND SO THEN THIS, UH, REFLECTS THE PEDESTRIAN FACADE ACTIVATION ZONE IN SUB AREA B. AGAIN, LOOKING AT, UH, REQUIRING THAT GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL ON, UH, WESTERN AVENUE IN KENTUCKY STREET AS, AS WE CURRENTLY EXPERIENCE TODAY. BUT THEN, UH, ALLEVIATING THAT REQUIREMENT AS WE MOVE DOWN KELLER STREET, UH, TO PERMIT FOR 100% GROUND FLOOR RESIDENTIAL. AND THEN IN SUB AREAS, C, THE, UH, THE LARGER OF THE THREE SUB AREAS, UH, THE PEDESTRIAN ACTIVATION ZONE, FRONTING WASHINGTON STREET, BUT THEN, UM, PERMITTING GROUND FLOOR RESIDENTIAL ON, UM, COURT STREET, WHICH IS A DEAD END STREET THERE AT, AT, UH, THAT POINT. UM, AND THEN ALONG LIBERTY STREET AS WELL. SO THEN BUILDING HEIGHT CRITERIA, CERTAINLY THIS IS ONE OF THE KEY, UH, QUESTIONS OR MOVES IN THE, UM, PROPOSED OVERLAY. IT DOES ESTABLISH CRITERIA TO EXCEED 45 FEET AND THEN CRITERIA TO EXCEED FIF, UH, 60 FEET. THESE CRITERIA ARE DELIVERED THROUGH THE MAJOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REVIEW PROCESS. UH, THE REVIEW AUTHORITY IS, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION, AND SOME OF THE CRITERIA INCLUDE BEING CONSISTENT WITH THE OVERLAY PURPOSE, UH, PROVIDING CONTRIBUTION AND COMPATIBILITY, NO ADVERSE EFFECTS TO CHARACTER, UNREASONABLE RESTRICTIONS TO LIGHT AND AIR OUR RELATIONSHIP TO THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN, OF COURSE, EXCEPTIONAL ARCHITECTURE, AS I THINK YOU'LL, YOU'LL NOTICE JUST FROM, FROM THE PHRASING OF THESE, THEY'RE VERY SUBJECTIVE. THEY OPEN THEMSELVES FULLY TO THE DISCRETIONARY REVIEW PROCESS FOR THE REVIEW AUTHORITY TO, UH, TO MAKE THAT DECISION ABOUT THE EXTENT TO WHICH THEY MEET THESE CRITERIA. BUT THEN AT THE SAME TIME, THIS ALSO CHALLENGES, UH, PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT TO PROVIDE THAT EXCEPTIONAL ARCHITECTURE TO WORK REALLY HARD AT DESIGNING A PRODUCT THAT IS GOING TO RESPOND TO THE PEDESTRIAN ACTIVATION ZONE, OR RESPOND TO THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE GROUND FLOOR, UH, COMMERCIAL, AND THEN OF THE CRITERIA TO EXCEED, UH, 60 FEET. SO IN ADDITION TO THE CRITERIA TO EXCEED 45 FEET, WHERE YOU TO PROPOSE OVER 60 FEET, THEN YOU WOULD ALSO HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE, UM, FIRST THAT THE PROJECT IMPROVES THE STREETSCAPE. HOW IT DOES THAT OR THE PROJECT WOULD HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE, PRIVATE OPEN SPACE. ADDITIONALLY, [02:15:01] THE PROJECT WOULD HAVE TO RESPECT, UH, DEMONSTRATE THAT IT RESPECTS OR PRESERVES CULTURAL, HISTORICAL, OR ARCHEOLOGICAL RESOURCES, OR THAT IT EXCEEDS MINIMUM INCLUSIONARY DWELLING REQUIREMENTS, OR THAT ALL REQUIRED PARKING IS CONSTRUCTED BELOW GRADE. AND THEN FOR THE SITE COVERAGE REQUIREMENTS, THE PROJECT WOULD HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT IT DOES AT LEAST ONE OF THE FOLLOWING, THAT IT IMPROVES THE EXISTING STREETSCAPE, THAT IT REFLECTS PREVAILING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, HAS ADEQUATE PROVISIONS FOR RECYCLING AND SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT, ADEQUATE, UH, SPACE AND PROVISIONS FOR STREET TREES, OR THAT IT INCLUDES OTHER MEASURES TO ENHANCE THE PEDESTRIAN ENVIRONMENT. AGAIN, VERY SUBJECTIVE, DISCRETIONARY REVIEW, UH, CRITERIA. THIS IS, IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE, UM, SETBACK, THE BUILDING STEP BACKS THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED. SO UP TO 45 FEET, WHICH IS CURRENTLY PERMITTED BY RIGHT, A PROJECT COULD BE BUILT TO THE FULL HEIGHT OF THE 45 FEET, UM, AT A, UH, MINIMUM SETBACK OF ZERO FEET. UM, AS WE NOTE HERE, THE FIRST FLOOR WOULD HAVE TO BE A MINIMUM OF 14 FEET. THAT'S A CONSISTENT WITH A MAJORITY OF THE, THE GROUND FLOOR, FIRST FLOOR HEIGHTS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. THEN THOSE SECOND THROUGH FOURTH FLOORS COULD RISE UP TO 45 FEET AS WOULD BE CURRENTLY PERMITTED. BUT THEN AT THE FIFTH FLOOR, YOU WOULD HAVE TO STEP BACK, UM, A MINIMUM OF EIGHT FEET, AND THEN UP ABOVE THE FIFTH FLOOR OR 60 FEET, YOU WOULD HAVE TO STEP BACK ANOTHER EIGHT FEET. AND HERE WE SEE THEN THE STEP BACKS OF HOW THEY'RE USED IN RELATIONSHIP TO HISTORIC RESOURCES. IF YOU'RE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO AN EXISTING HISTORIC RESOURCE, THE MINIMUM, UH, SIDE STEP BACK WOULD BE 10 FEET, FOLLOWED BY THE EIGHT FEET ABOVE 45 FEET. AND THEN, UM, TO THE RIGHT, WE WOULD SEE IF YOU'RE ACROSS THE STREET OR, OR, UM, NOT IMMEDIATELY ABUTTING A HISTORIC RESOURCE, THEN YOU WOULD BE SUBJECT TO A MINIMUM EIGHT FOOT REAR SETBACK, UM, FOLLOWED BY THE EIGHT FOOT STEP BACKS ABOVE, UM, 45 FEET. AND THEN TO EXISTING RESIDENTIAL, BECAUSE SOME OF THE, UM, SOME OF THE SUB AREAS DO FACE A RESIDENTIAL ACROSS THE STREET RIGHT OF WAY. THERE IS A REQUIREMENT THAT YOU MIRROR THAT, UH, RESIDENTIAL, UH, BUILDING HEIGHT OF, OF TYPICALLY TWO STORIES, UM, WITH A 10 FOOT MINIMUM FRONT STEP BACK AT THE, AT THE TWO STORY HEIGHT, UM, OR 30 FEET, WHICHEVER IS LESS. AND THEN A 10 FOOT ADDITIONAL FRONT STEP BACK ON EACH OF THE ADDITIONAL FLOORS. SO AGAIN, SOFTENING THE IMPACT OF, UM, THAT BUILDING MASSING AT THE STREET RIGHT OF WAY IN RESPONSE TO THE RESIDENTIAL ACROSS THE STREET. AND SO SOME OF THE ANALYSIS THAT WAS CONSIDERED LOOKS LIKE THIS AS, UH, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE FROM WESTERN AVENUE LOOKING ACROSS THE AVENUE TOWARDS, UM, FROM AMY'S KITCHEN TO POTENTIAL NEW DEVELOPMENT THERE IN SUB AREA B AT THE CORNER OF KENTUCKY AND WESTERN. THE IDEA HERE IS THAT FROM THE, UH, THE VISUAL PLANE OF A PEDESTRIAN AT GROUND LEVEL, THEN, UM, HOW THE STEP BACKS WOULD, WOULD BE EMPLOYED, UM, TO REDUCE THE PERSPECTIVE FROM THE STREET LEVEL AS ONE LOOKS UPWARD AT THE BUILDING. IT ALSO DESCRIBES THE VARIOUS IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, THE SIDEWALK, THE PLANTING AREAS, UM, DRIVE LANES, PARKING LANES, AND SO FORTH. SO AS, AS I MENTIONED, THE THE, UH, OVERLAY APPLICATION, THE ZONING AMENDMENT APPLICATION WAS RECEIVED IN EARLY 2023, BEGINNING IN JUNE OF 2023. IT WAS BROUGHT, BROUGHT FORWARD FOR PUBLIC REVIEW AND VERY MUCH A DRAFT FORM. UH, ONE OF THE MAJOR CHANGES THAT THE, UH, THE DRAFT OVERLAY HAS SEEN OVER TIME HAS BEEN A REDUCTION IN, UM, THE PROPOSED OVERLAY BOUNDARIES TO THE SUB AREAS A, B, AND C AS YOU SEE THEM TODAY. AND THEN IN, UM, NOVEMBER OF 2024, UH, FOLLOWING A REVIEW BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND HCPC, UM, THE CITY TURNED AND REQUIRED THAT EIR TO BE PREPARED. UM, THE EIR UH, PREPARATION TOOK ALMOST A YEAR DURING THAT, UH, PERIOD OF ABOUT A YEAR. THE, UH, THE OVERLAY AS PROPOSED SAT LARGELY, UH, QUIET, ALTHOUGH THERE WERE SOME REFINEMENTS MADE TO IT, AND THEN IT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL IN A WORKSHOP IN NOVEMBER OF 2024. AND SO THEN HERE WE ARE TODAY, UH, CONSIDERING THE FINAL IR CERTIFICATION AND, UM, THE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT AND THE ZONING MAP AND TEXT AMENDMENTS TO ESTABLISH THE OVERLAY, UH, GOING FORWARD, AS I, AS I MENTIONED, SHOULD THE OVERLAY BE ADOPTED, UM, THE EKN HOTEL PROJECT WOULD STILL BE SUBJECT TO PLANNING COMMISSION [02:20:01] AND THE HISTORIC AND CULTURAL PRESERVATION COMMITTEE REVIEW PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD CONSIDER A, A REQUIRED MAJOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WHILE, UH, HCPC WOULD CONSIDER A REQUIRED MAJOR SPAR ENTITLEMENT. SOME TOPICS FOR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING THAT HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED SUBSEQUENT TO THE NOVEMBER, 2024 WORKSHOP IS ALIGNMENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE. UH, THE OVERLAY IS CONSIDERED TO BE A SEPARATE AND DISTINCT PROJECT FROM THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE, HOWEVER, IT HAS BEEN DEMONSTRATED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE VISION, THE PILLARS, GUIDING PRINCIPLES, AND SUPPORTING CONCEPTS THAT WERE APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL, AS IT WELL AS WITH THE, UH, THE UPDATES, DRAFT POLICIES THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD. AND THEN THE SUNSET CLAUSE OFFERS THE OPPORTUNITY TO ALIGN THE OVERLAY WITH THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE, UM, AS IT MOVES FORWARD THROUGH THE ADOPTION PROCESS. ADDITIONALLY, THE DOWNTOWN PARKING STUDY HAS BEEN CONSIDERED BY CITY COUNCIL AND DOES RETURN TO THE COUNCIL IN LATER 2025. UM, AND THEN THE DESIGN REVIEW PROCESS, UH, COUNCIL ASKED FOR FINDINGS TO BE ADDED TO REQUIRE A DETERMINATION OF EXCEPTIONAL ARCHITECTURE OR DESIGN. THAT IS A SUBJECTIVE CRITERIA THAT HAS BEEN ADDED, BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO A REQUIREMENT THAT THE APPLICANT DEMONSTRATE THAT AN INDEPENDENT QUALIFIED DESIGN PROFESSIONAL REVIEW HAS BEEN COMPLETED. AND I BELIEVE THAT'S INDEPENDENT SUBJECT TO THE CITY SELECTION OF THE, UH, QUALIFIED DESIGN PROFESSIONAL WHO WOULD PROVIDE THE REVIEW. AND THEN THE MODIFICATIONS. UM, THE SUB AREA C WAS MODIFIED TO MATCH THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION, UH, RECEIVED IN NOVEMBER OF 2023. PEDESTRIAN FACADE ACTIVATION ZONES WERE EXPANDED IN SUB AREAS A AND C. THERE WAS A MINOR MODIFICATION TO TABLE 5.2, UM, TO ADD THE REQUIREMENT FOR, UH, CONSISTENCY WITH GENERAL PLAN FAR MODIFICATION TO THE REQUIRED FINDINGS TO ALLOW HEIGHT ABOVE 45 FEET. AND THEN, AS I MENTIONED, THE ADDITION OF THE REQUIREMENT TO, UM, RECEIVE, UH, INDEPENDENT RECOMMENDATION FROM A QUALIFIED DESIGN PROFESSIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT APPROVAL THAT IT IS PERMISSIBLE UNDER THE GENERAL PLAN. UH, IT DOES, UH, CITY COUNCIL WOULD BE ASKED TO LOOK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL. UH, THAT WAS, UH, APPROVED IN NOVEMBER 14TH, 2023, RECOMMENDING THAT CITY COUNCIL ADOPT THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT. AND THEN THE COUNCIL WOULD BE ASKED TO MAKE THE PUBLIC INTEREST FINDINGS REGARDING, UH, THAT THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT WOULD SUPPORT SUSTAINABLE INFILL TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, AS WELL AS ENHANCE ECONOMIC VITALITY AND HOUSING DIVERSITY. THEN WE HAVE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE ZONING, TEXT, AND MAP AMENDMENTS. THESE ARE GOVERNED BY CHAPTER 25 OF THE IZO, AS WELL AS, UH, CHAPTER 15, WHICH, UH, DELEGATES A RECOMMENDING AUTHORITY RESPONSIBILITY TO HCPC FOR ZONING AMENDMENTS THAT WOULD AFFECT, UM, CHAPTER 15 REGULATIONS, UH, WHICH GUIDE HISTORIC PRESERVATION FOR THE CITY. UH, THIS RESOLUTION WAS, UH, DENIED BY HCPC ON NOVEMBER 14TH, 2023. THAT WAS A RECOMMENDATION TO PLANNING COMMISSION. HOWEVER, UM, AT THE SAME TIME, PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED A RESOLUTION RECOMMENDING, UH, TO CITY COUNCIL THAT THEY ADOPT THE ZONING MAP IN TEXT AMENDMENTS. THE REQUIRED FINDING THERE IS REALLY QUITE SIMPLE, JUST SIMPLY THAT IT CONFORMS WITH THE CITY'S GENERAL PLAN. IN THIS CASE, IT WOULD BE THE GENERAL PLAN AS AMENDED, AND THEN THE, UH, PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, AND WELFARE FINDING. AND SO WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MY COLLEAGUE, OLIVIA IRVIN, TO REVIEW THE FINAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT. THANK YOU, ANDREW. UH, GOOD EVENING. I'M OLIVIA, PRINCIPAL ENVIRONMENTAL PLANNER, AND I AM GOING TO PRESENT THIS PORTION OF THE STAFF REPORT THAT WILL, UH, PROVIDE A SUMMARY OF THE CITY'S ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PROCESS FOR THE PROJECT AND PRESENT A CERTIFICATION OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT TO THE CITY, CITY COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING. UH, SO THE CITY HAS CARRIED OUT AN EXTENSIVE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW, UH, PROCESS FOR THE PROJECT. THE CULMINATION OF THAT EFFORT IS THE FINAL EIR, UM, THAT HAS BEEN PREPARED AND PUBLISHED IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE, UH, SUBSTANTIVE AND PROCEDURAL REQUIREMENTS OF THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT. FOR PURPOSES OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT, THE PROJECT REFERS TO TWO COMPONENTS. THEY ARE THE OVERLAY, WHICH ARE THE REGULATORY CHANGES BEFORE THE COUNCIL FOR LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING, THE GENERAL PLAN AND ZONING AMENDMENT THAT YOU JUST HEARD, UH, [02:25:01] IN DETAIL. AND THE HOTEL COMPONENT, WHICH MAY ONLY BE CONSIDERED AS PROPOSED FOLLOWING APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED OVERLAY, AND WILL BE SUBJECT TO DISCRETIONARY REVIEW BY HCPC FOR HISTORIC SPAR, AND FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A USE PERMIT. UH, THESE ARE PRESENTED TOGETHER IN, UH, AS THE PROJECT UNDER QUA BECAUSE THE HOTEL IS DEPENDENT UPON THE OVERLAY IN ORDER TO BE CONSIDERED. AND SO WHAT THE EIR DOES IS IT, UH, EVALUATES THE HOTEL AT A PROJECT LEVEL, AND IT EVALUATES THE OVERLAY, UH, PROGRAMMATICALLY. THE CITY OF PETALUMA HAS, UH, CERTIFIED ONE OTHER PROGRAMMATIC EIR FOR THE REGULATORY PROGRAM THAT IT EVALUATES, AND THAT IS THE CITY'S GENERAL PLAN. THE GENERAL PLAN, EIR CONTAINS A CUMULATIVE ANALYSIS AND EVALUATION OF ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS ASSOCIATED WITH, UH, REALIZING THE DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL ENVISIONED THROUGH THE GENERAL PLAN, AND IT ESTABLISHES THE FRAMEWORK WITHIN WHICH DISCRETIONARY REVIEW OCCURS, AND WITHIN WHICH THE CITY RECEIVES AND EVALUATES DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS FOR ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS. SO IT IS THE GENERAL PLAN THAT IS THAT GUIDING FRAMEWORK. SO, UM, IN THE, UH, IN THE CONTEXT OF THE GENERAL PLAN, THE OVERLAY PROPOSES TO TAILOR THE ESTABLISHED REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS. THERE ARE NO CHANGES TO THE PROPOSED DENSITY. THERE ARE NO CHANGES IN THE LAND USE, UM, UH, DESIGNATIONS, AND THERE ARE NO PHYSICAL CHANGES THAT WILL OCCUR TO THE ENVIRONMENT AS A RESULT OF THE OVERLAY. UM, RATHER, IT, IT IS AN AUGMENT TO THE EXISTING REGULATION WITHIN WHICH FUTURE DEVELOPMENT WILL BE EVALUATED. UH, SO THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL OF THE OVERLAY IS WELL WITHIN THE INTENSITY ENVISIONED BY THE GENERAL PLAN. AGAIN, BACK TO THAT FRAMEWORK OF THE GENERAL PLAN AND FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IS, UH, WOULD CONTINUE TO BE SUBJECT TO DISCRETIONARY REVIEW PROCESS, INCLUDING THAT USE PERMIT PROCESS AND THE SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW PROCESS, BOTH OF WHICH ARE, UH, WELL-ESTABLISHED CITY REVIEW PROCESSES. THIS IS THE REGULATORY CONTEXT WITHIN WHICH WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THINGS FOR CQA. UM, THE USE PERMIT GETS AT LAND USE COMPATIBILITY, AND THE SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW PROCESS, UH, ADDRESSES VISUAL QUALITY AND CHARACTER. SO BECAUSE OF THESE EXISTING PHYSICAL AND REGULATORY CONDITIONS, AS WELL AS, UM, THE CONTEXT ESTABLISHED BY THE GENERAL PLAN, AND ITS, ITS EIR, THE ANALYSIS, UM, UH, PRESENTED FOCUSES ON THREE OF THE 18 ENVIRONMENTAL TOPICS, UH, OF THE, OF THE CQA CHECKLIST. BUT ALL 18 TOPICS ARE SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL RECORD. I'M POINTING TO THIS BIG STACK OF, UM, BINDERS ON THE DESK HERE. UH, THOSE WERE ADDRESSED IN THE INITIAL STUDY, AND THOSE ARE ALSO ALL ADDRESSED IN CHAPTER FOUR OF THE EIR, UM, THE VISUAL APPEAL OF A PROPOSED BUILDING, THE VALUE OF A HISTORIC RESOURCE, THE INTERPRETATION OF LAND USE POLICY CONSISTENCY IS SUBJECTIVE. THE EIR TAKES, UH, INTO CONSIDERATION A NUMBER OF FACTORS, THE SHADE AND SHADOW STUDY, THE VIEW SHED RENDERINGS, THE CITY'S HISTORIC COMMERCIAL DISTRICT GUIDELINES, THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS, THE RESULTS OF THE HISTORIC BUILT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ASSESSMENT, AMONG A NUMBER OF OTHER TECHNICAL STUDIES TO INFORM THE DETERMINATION OF IMPACT, UM, OF, OF THE IMPACTS, NONETHELESS, THE SUBJECTIVE NATURE OF THE VISUAL SETTING AND THE CHARACTER REMAINS. UM, HOWEVER, THE CITY HAS A PROCESS THAT PROVIDES A MEANS TO ADDRESS THE SUBJECTIVITY, AND THAT IS THE, UH, AS HAS BEEN STATED, THAT IS THE, THE, THE SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURE REVIEW PROCESS, AND THE, UH, HOTEL IS SUBJECT TO THAT, AS WELL AS A USE PERMIT. AND ALL FUTURE APPLICATIONS WITHIN THE OVERLAY WOULD ALSO BE SUBJECT TO THOSE REGULATIONS. UH, SO FOR THESE REASONS, THE EIR CONCLUDES THAT BASED ON THE EXISTING ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS AND THE REGULATORY CONTEXT, UM, THE PROPOSED PROJECT WOULD RESULT IN LESS THAN SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS WITH MITIGATION. UH, THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE PROCEDURAL, UH, STEPS THAT WERE TAKEN THROUGH THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT. UH, THE PROCEDURAL REQUIREMENTS INCLUDE NOTICES, PUBLICATIONS, AND PUBLIC HEARINGS. THE CITY HAS MET AND, UH, EXCEEDED THE PROCEDURAL REQUIREMENTS OF CQA. UM, ONE EXAMPLE IS [02:30:01] THAT THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT TO HOLD A, UH, PUBLIC SCOPING MEETING, AND THE CITY HELD A, A SCOPING MEETING ON MAY 1ST, UM, OF 2024. SO THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE. UM, TO GET IN, GETTING INTO THE CONTENTS OF THE FINAL EIR, WHAT WE HAVE PRESENTED IS IN TWO VOLUMES. VOLUME ONE IS DIRECT RED, UH, STRIKETHROUGH UNDERLINE REVISIONS TO THE DRAFT EIR AS IT WAS PUBLISHED. SO THAT'S VOLUME ONE. AND THEN VOLUME TWO IS THE, UM, BULK OF THE RESPONSE TO COMMENTS. IT INCLUDES A SECTION ABOUT, UM, IN AN INTRODUCTORY SECTION, A LIST OF COMMENTERS. IT PROVIDES, UH, MASTER RESPONSES AND A LIST OF RESPONSE TO COMMENTS INCLUSIVE OF ALL OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS RECEIVED. UM, THE ADDITIONAL TEXT THAT IS PROVIDED IN THOSE RESPONSES PROVIDES CLARIFICATION. IT PROVIDES, UH, SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION THAT WAS ALREADY PRESENTED IN THE DROP, AND IT MAKES, UH, FACTUAL CORRECTIONS TO, TO CORRECT, UM, INFORMATION. IT DOES NOT RAISE NEW INFORMATION, AND IT DOES NOT, UH, TRIGGER RECIRCULATION. UH, SO JUST, I'M NOT GONNA GET INTO EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE, BUT JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THERE ARE, UH, IN SECTION 2.1, UH, THERE IS A EXTENSIVE LIST OF MASTER RESPONSES. THERE ARE 17 COMMENTS THAT ARE RAISED THAT WERE IDENTIFIED AS, UH, FREQUENTLY RAISED THEMES OR COMMENTS. SO THESE, UM, INCLUDE IN A, A, UM, EX, UH, EXPLANATION OF, UM, GENERAL OPPOSITION COMMENTS. SO THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, COMMENTS THAT MAY EXPRESS OPPOSITION OR OBJECT TO THE ADEQUACY, BUT DO NOT, UH, RAISE AN ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERN OR DO NOT PROVIDE A SPECIFIC BASIS. THEY MAY JUST STATE, UM, UH, OPPOSITION. AND, UH, AND SO MASTER RESPONSE EXPLAINS THAT, UM, THE SUBSTANTIVE, UH, REQUIREMENTS AND, UH, THOSE ARE ADDRESSED IN THE MASTER RESPONSE. UH, ONE, ANOTHER FREQUENT COMMENT RECEIVED WAS THAT THE, THE DRAFT DIR SHOULD BE REVISED AND RECIRCULATED BECAUSE OF DISAGREEMENT WITH CONCLUSIONS OR GENERAL ASSERTIONS OF INADEQUACY. UH, MASTER RESPONSE TWO ADDRESSES THE RECIRCULATION ASSERTION AND NOTES THAT, UH, RECIRCULATION IS NOT REQUIRED HERE BECAUSE THE CONDITIONS ESTABLISHED IN THE CE QA GUIDELINES, UM, HAVE NOT BEEN MET THAT WOULD TRIGGER RECIRCULATION. UH, SO GOING BACK TO THE PURPOSE, AGAIN, THE PURPOSE OF ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW IS INTENDED TO INFORM THE PUBLIC AND DECISION MAKERS OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSEQUENCES OF A PROJECT. IT IS NOT A GUARANTEE OF A PERFECT ENVIRONMENT. RATHER, IT'S AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT THE, UH, POTENTIAL IMPACTS THE, UH, FEASIBLE MITIGATION MEASURES AND ALTERNATIVES HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED AND ADEQUATELY DISCLOSED. UH, THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PROCESS DOES NOT EVALUATE A PROJECT MERITS. IT DOESN'T SAY WHETHER IT'S GOOD OR BAD, OR SHOULD BE, UM, SUPPORTED OR OR NOT. IT DOES NOT, UH, GRANT PROJECT APPROVALS OR ENTITLEMENTS. IT IS A SEPARATE PROCESS, UH, THAT IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE AND TO HELP MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION ABOUT A PROJECT. UH, SO THE ROLE OF THE COUNCIL IS TO FULFILL LEAD AGENCY OBLIGATIONS UNDER CQA, AND IN DOING SO, CONSIDER THE ADEQUACY OF THE FINAL EIR INCLUSIVE OF THE WHOLE OF THE RECORD, THE RESPONSE TO COMMENTS, REVISIONS TO THE DRAFT, AND IF DETERMINED TO BE ADEQUATE TO TAKE ACTION TO, UH, CERTIFY. SO, CERTIFICATION IS BEFORE THE COUNCIL THIS EVENING, AND THAT IS INCLUDED AS ATTACHMENT ONE TO THE, UH, STAFF REPORT CERTIFICATION MUST OCCUR PRIOR TO TAKING ACTION ON ANY OF THE, THE LEGISLATIVE, UM, APPROVALS BEFORE THE COUNCIL THIS EVENING. AND IN CERTIFYING THE FINAL EIR, THE COUNCIL WOULD FIND THAT ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW HAS BEEN COMPLETED IN COMPLIANCE WITH CQA, THAT THE COUNCIL HAS CONSIDERED AND REVIEWED THE INFORMATION PRESENTED IN THE FI FINAL EIR, AND THAT THE FINAL EIR IS REFLECTIVE OF THE LEAD AGENCY'S INDEPENDENT JUDGMENT. UM, THE OTHER ACTION, UH, BEFORE IS THE LEGISLATIVE ACTION THIS EVENING. THAT IS THE GENERAL PLAN, UM, AND ZONING TEXT, THE READING OF THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT. IN MAKING THOSE, UH, APPROVALS, THE COUNCIL MUST ALSO MAKE FINDINGS REGARDING THE ENVIRONMENTAL RECORD. THE FINDINGS ARE, UM, [02:35:01] SPECIFIC TO THE, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT, AND THOSE ARE PRESENTED IN EXHIBIT A TO ATTACHMENT TWO, WHICH IS THE GENERAL PLAN RESOLUTION, AND, UH, CONCLUDE THAT THE PROJECT WILL RESULT IN POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS, AND THAT ALL POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS WILL BE REDUCED TO LEVELS BELOW SIGNIFICANCE WITH MITIGATION, THAT THERE ARE NO SIGNIFICANT AND UNAVOIDABLE IMPACTS. AND THE, UM, TOOL TO RE, TO, UM, MEASURE AND MONITOR IS THROUGH THE MI, THE MITIGATION MONITORING AND REPORTING PROGRAM. AND THAT IS ALSO INCLUDED, UH, IN THE PACKET TONIGHT AS EXHIBIT B TO ATTACHMENT TO. AND, UM, SHOULD COUNSEL CERTIFY THE EIR THIS EVENING, THE FINAL, UH, PROCEDURAL REQUIREMENT FOR CQA WOULD BE TO FILE THE, UH, NOTICE OF DETERMINATION WITH THE COUNTY CLERK, AND THAT WOULD COMPLETE THE CQA, UM, UH, SUBSTANTIVE REQUIREMENTS OF CQA. AND I WILL, UH, GO AHEAD AND HAND IT BACK OVER TO BRIAN TO WRAP US UP. THANKS, OLIVIA. UM, AND SO I JUST WANTED TO SPEND JUST A COUPLE MINUTES HERE. UH, TAKING A STEP BACK, UH, WE JUST RECEIVED AN IN-DEPTH PRESENTATION, VERY THOROUGH, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE OVERLAY, AS WELL AS THE WORK THAT, UH, WE HAVE BEEN DOING ON THE FINAL EIR. AND SO, UM, JUST, UH, A NOTE OF GRATITUDE JUST TO GET US HERE. I THINK THERE WAS A COMMENT, UM, EARLIER IN THE PRESENTATION ABOUT OVER A THOUSAND PAGES OF COMMENTS. UM, AND SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING VERY DILIGENTLY, UH, TO BE RESPONSIVE TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS IDENTIFIED. UM, BUT THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY, AGAIN, TO STEP BACK, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE TECHNICAL CONTENT COMPLETE, UM, AND CLOSE US OUT WITH, UM, MORE OF A GENERAL WHY AND, AND WHAT SORT OF GUIDING US, UM, AND WHAT I HOPE WILL GUIDE THE DISCUSSION, UH, BY COUNSEL THIS EVENING. UM, AND THAT IS OUR CURRENT GENERAL PLAN. IT'S OUR EXISTING, UM, POLICIES THAT ARE IN PLACE, UH, TO ALLOW, UM, THE CITY AND COUNCIL TO HAVE THIS CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING. UM, AND SO THAT'S EVERYTHING, UH, WITH RESPECT TO EXISTING LAND USE, UH, COMMUNITY DESIGN, UM, WHAT WE ENVISION OUR, UH, MOBILITY TO LOOK LIKE FOR OUR RESIDENTS, UM, AS WITH OUR HOUSING ELEMENT. AND SO THAT'S NOT JUST OUR EXISTING GENERAL PLAN, BUT ALL THE WORK THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING OVER THE PAST, UH, GOSH, UH, FOUR PLUS YEARS ON HOUSING ELEMENT. WE GOT THE HOUSING ELEMENT CERTIFIED. UH, WE'RE GETTING INTO THE FINAL STEPS OF UPDATING THE GENERAL PLAN THAT PUTS US, UH, INTO, UH, 2050. UM, AND, UH, THE OVERLAY, UH, IS IN ALIGNMENT WITH OUR COUNCIL GOALS. UM, AND SO WE'VE, WE JUST HAD A, A VERY IN DEPTH THOROUGH DISCUSSION WORKSHOP WITH COUNCIL, UH, TO TALK ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND THE IMPORTANCE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, GETTING AHEAD AND BEING PROACTIVE TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE AN ECONOMY THAT PROSPERS. THERE'S PLACES AND SPACES, UH, THAT, UH, INSPIRE AND, UM, ARE WELCOMING. AND ULTIMATELY, I THINK WHAT, UH, PETALUMA IS MOST PROUD ABOUT IS OUR, UM, ENSURING OUR ENVIRONMENT, ENVIRONMENTAL LEGACY, AND OUR CLIMATE ACTION. AND SO FOR ALL THOSE REASONS, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY POINT TO A, WHAT I HOPE IS GOING TO BE A ROBUST DISCUSSION THIS EVENING. UM, AND THEN ALSO JUST PICKING UP, THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS JUST ABOUT FINANCIAL, UH, BENEFITS. UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S EVERYTHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA BALANCE THE GENERAL PLAN, THE CITY POLICIES, UH, BUT THEN ALSO THINKING ABOUT, UM, HOW IT BENEFITS OUR CITY. AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE DONE A LITTLE BIT OF A PRELIMINARY. THERE WAS, UH, SOME, THERE WAS A QUESTION FROM COUNCIL JUST ABOUT, UM, WHAT THE TAX BASE IS, UH, CURRENTLY WITH THE, UM, UH, USES THAT ARE HAPPENING IN THE OVERLAY. AND THAT'S A GOOD COMPARISON IN THE STAFF REPORT ABOUT THE FINANCIAL BENEFITS OF, UM, A POTENTIAL PROJECT, HALF A MILLION DOLLARS, UM, A YEAR OF TOT FOR THE PROPOSED HOTEL, UM, AS WELL AS THE, UH, SALES TAX, UH, THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY BE GENERATED OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND. UM, AND THEN ALL THE SECONDARY BENEFITS, UM, FOR OUR COMMUNITY, UH, WITH RESPECT TO, UM, LOCAL MERCHANTS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, CONTINUING THE LEGACY, UM, THAT MAKES, UM, DOWNTOWN ATTRACTIVE AND, AND WELCOMING FOR ALL. UM, AND SO I'LL TURN JUST THE NEXT SLIDE, [02:40:02] FINAL SLIDE, UH, OR SET OF FINAL SLIDES HERE. UH, AGAIN, OVER A THOUSAND, UH, PAGES OF COMMENTS. UM, A FINAL DRAFT, EIR VOLUME ONE THAT IS, UH, ESSENTIALLY WHAT WAS, UH, REVIEWED AS PART OF THE DRAFT EIR. UM, AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S A BIG DOCUMENT THAT, UH, WE'RE BOUND TO MAKE SOME, UH, TEXT, UM, INCORRECTION. SO THERE'S, THERE'S A ADA THAT WAS POSTED EARLIER TODAY THAT, AGAIN, MINOR CLARIFICATIONS, SOME TEXT EDITS, UM, AND THEN ALSO, UH, ON THE, UH, MITIGATION MEASURES AS WELL AS THE RESOLUTIONS, UH, BEFORE YOU ON, UH, FOR BOTH, UM, ATTACHMENT ONE AND TWO, JUST TO CLARIFY, UM, PROVIDE MORE CLARITY ON THE ACTIONS THAT MAY BE, UM, POTENTIALLY DONE THIS EVENING. AND THEN THE FINAL WRAP UP HERE, JUST AGAIN, LET'S, UH, THERE'S A DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, CERTIFICATION, CONSIDERATION OF THE EIR. UM, HAVE WE DONE WHAT WAS DIRECTED, UH, BY COUNSEL? ARE WE, UM, CONSIDERING ALL THE IMPACTS, ARE WE PRESENTING THAT IN A WAY THAT IS DIGESTIBLE? UM, AND THEN, UH, ONCE WE CAN GET PAST SORT OF THAT INITIAL, THEN IT'S THE CONSIDERATION OF GOING FORWARD WITH THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT, UM, AND THE INTRODUCTION OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE. MAYOR, WITH THAT, I'D TURN IT BACK TO YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, EXHAUSTIVE REPORT. UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GET INTO THESE AIS, YOU HAVE TO GET IN DEEP. THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS ALL THE TIME AND A LOT OF LAW BEHIND EVERYTHING. SO, UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, UH, BRINGING US UP TO SPEED ON ALL THAT. I SH SHOULD NOTE FOR THE PUBLIC BENEFIT THAT WHEN COUNCIL REVIEWS THE ITEMS, THEY HAVE QUESTIONS OF STAFF IN THE, THE WEEK RUNNING UP, AND WE SEND THEM IN. AND, UM, THOSE ARE ALL POSTED ON THE WEBSITE. YOU CAN SEE WHERE, UH, COUNCIL HAS ASKED QUESTIONS AND THOUGHT THINGS NEEDED TO BE DISCUSSED FURTHER. AND, UM, WHERE TO START WITH COUNCIL, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER QUINT. THANK YOU. SO THERE'S A LOT IN THERE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM, SO I'M, I'M PROBABLY THE NEWEST MEMBER ON COUNCIL TO LAND USE DISCUSSIONS, AND A LOT OF THE, UH, A LOT OF THE ACRONYMS AND TERMS THAT ARE, THAT ARE USED ARE, ARE NEW TO ME, AND SO I'M SURE THEY'RE NEW TO A LOT OF FOLKS. CAN YOU BRIEFLY DESCRIBE WHAT THE DISCRETIONARY REVIEW PROCESS LOOKS LIKE? SURE. COUNCIL MEMBER, THE, UH, THE DISCRETIONARY REVIEW PROCESS IS, UM, A SUBJECTIVE REVIEW PROCESS THAT THE CITY UNDERTAKES. UH, WE ARE, WE ARE REQUIRED TO, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THE REALM OF PROPERTY RIGHTS, UM, A A CITY HAS THE RIGHT TO REGULATE LAND USE AND LAND DEVELOPMENT. AND SO IT MAY, UM, CREATE OPPORTUNITIES FOR DEVELOPMENT TO HAPPEN IN A CERTAIN WAY. HOWEVER, IT WOULD REQUIRE THAT THE CITY, THROUGH ITS REVIEW, AUTHORITIES APPROVE THAT DEVELOPMENT. SO, FOR INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT ALLOW CERTAIN LAND USES, BUT THEN, UM, PERHAPS, UH, GENERAL RETAIL UP TO 25,000 SQUARE FEET, YOU THEN YOU, AND YOU WOULD PERMIT THAT BY, RIGHT? SO THAT'S PART OF THE BUNDLE OF PROPERTY RIGHTS. BUT THEN YOU ALLOW FOR, FOR GENERAL RETAIL OVER 25,000 SQUARE FEET, SUBJECT TO A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PROCESS, WHERE ONE OF THE CITY'S REVIEW AUTHORITIES WOULD REVIEW AND MAKE CERTAIN FINDINGS. THEY MAKE A QUASI-JUDICIAL DECISION TO EXPAND THOSE PROPERTY RIGHTS TO ALLOW, UM, GENERAL RETAIL DEVELOPMENT, SAY UP TO 40,000 SQUARE FEET. SO REALLY WHAT YOU'RE FUNDAMENTALLY DOING THROUGH THE DISCRETIONARY REVIEW PROCESS AT THE LOCAL LEVEL IS, IS GOING THROUGH A QUASI-JUDICIAL PROCESS TO EXPAND PROPERTY RIGHTS FOR DEVELOPMENT PURPOSES. SO IF, I MEAN, REALLY JUST TO KIND OF BREAK IT DOWN INTO SIMPLE TERMS, IF SOMEONE SUBMITS AN APPLICATION FOR A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, UM, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING IS THAT THAT GETS REVIEWED BY SOMEBODY AND THAT BODY IS PLANNING COMMISSION. CAN YOU, AGAIN, FOR THE BENEFIT OF EVERYTHING HERE? SURE, SURE. IT, IT DEPENDS ON THE TYPE OF PERMIT THAT'S REQUIRED. SO THE ZONING CODE WILL, WILL DEFINE WHAT WE CALL THE ENTITLEMENT REQUIRED, WHETHER THAT'S A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OR SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, OR HISTORIC SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW. SO IN THE CASE OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD REVIEW THAT PLANNING ENTITLEMENT. IN THE CASE OF [02:45:01] HISTORIC SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, THE HISTORIC AND CULTURAL PRESERVATION COMMITTEE WOULD REVIEW IT. THE IMPORTANT THING THOUGH, IS THAT EACH OF THOSE REVIEW AUTHORITIES HAS THE POWER TO MAKE THAT QUASI-JUDICIAL DECISION AND GRANT THOSE MORE EXPANDED RIGHTS TO THE, TO THE APPLICANT. AND ANDREW, IF I COULD ADD TO THAT, SO IF THE OVERLAY GETS ADOPTED, ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT TRYING TO BUILD, UH, ABOVE 45 FEET WOULD BE REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH OR WOULD NEED TO OBTAIN A SPAR, A SITE PLANNING ARCHITECTURAL PERMIT, WHICH WOULD EITHER BE BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR IF IT'S WITHIN THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT, THERE'D BE A PUBLIC HEARING THROUGH THE HISTORICAL HCPC. UH, THEY WOULD ALSO REQUIRE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING THAT WOULD BE GRANTED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AND ANDREW SHOWED ALL THE REQUIRED FINDINGS TO OBTAIN THE CUP FINDING, UH, FOR THIS OVERLAY. AND THAT'S ADDITION TO THE ALREADY EXISTING, I BELIEVE IT'S 15 FINDINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR, UH, UNDER A NORMAL CUP CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. AND IF NONE OF THOSE FI OR IF NOT ALL OF THOSE FINDINGS CAN BE MADE, THEN THE PERMIT IS NOT ISSUED. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE IF, AND, AND YOU GOT A LITTLE BIT INTO MY NEXT QUESTION, AND, AND THAT IS, WHAT TYPES OF PRO WITH THE OVERLAY, WHAT TYPES OF PROJECTS WOULD BE SUBJECT TO, UH, UH, THIS REVIEW? UM, AND SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT FOR, EVEN WITH THE OVERLAY THAT IF A DEVELOPER CAME AND SUBMITTED A PROJECT, THERE'S STILL A LOT OF STUFF THAT HAS TO HAPPEN BEFORE A PROJECT CAN COME TO FRUITION. IS THAT A, IS THAT KIND OF A FAIR ASSESSMENT? THAT IS CORRECT. IT'S A FAIR ASSESSMENT, I THINK. WHAT, UM, SO TYPICALLY THE, IT WOULD ALMOST BE, UH, STEP ONE AND STEP TWO. SO OYSTER COVE IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF, UH, GOING THROUGH GETTING THE APPROPRIATE GENERAL PLAN, UM, AND ZONING TO MATCH UP. AND THEN THAT STEP TWO WAS THAT SECONDARY DISCRETIONARY REVIEW PROCESS, UH, WHICH HAS NOT HAPPENED YET, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE SITE PLAN ARCHITECTURAL. SO, UH, THO THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD HAVE THE CONVERSATIONS. PLANNING COMMISSION IN THAT CASE WOULD MAKE, UM, A SET OF FINDINGS. AND SO THAT IS CODIFIED IN OUR, UM, CODE, THE SPECIFIC FINDINGS THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD HAVE TO MAKE THAT YES, WE FEEL AS A BODY, UM, A PROJECT THAT'S BEING PROPOSED, UH, MEETS, UM, UH, WHAT OUR CODES, UM, ARE COMPELLING. AND SO WHAT'S UNIQUE HERE IS WE ARE BEING ADDITIVE. SO THERE'S THE ADDITIONAL SET OF FINDINGS WITH RESPECT TO EXCEPTIONAL ARCHITECTURE WITH CONFORMANCE AND COMPATIBILITY WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, THE SURROUNDING AREAS. THERE'S ADDITIONAL FINDINGS THAT PLANNING COMMISSION WILL ULTIMATELY HAVE TO MAKE IN THAT PUBLIC HEARING. UM, AND SO THAT'S THE OPPORTUNITY IF THERE'S QUESTIONS ABOUT DESIGN OF, UH, A PROJECT, UM, THAT WOULD GET SUSSED OUT, UM, AND DEVELOPED AS PART OF SITE PLAN ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW. CAN YOU, UM, AGAIN, I KNOW THERE'S LOTS OF QUESTIONS, THERE'S LOTS OF DISCUSSIONS, SO I WANT TO KEEP THIS AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE, BUT CAN YOU, UM, SORT OF DESCRIBE GENERALLY HOW MANY PROJECTS HAVE COME BEFORE THE CITY IN, IN, UH, FOR, FOR AREAS WITHIN THE OVERLAY ZONE, SAY IN THE LAST FIVE OR 10 YEARS? YEAH, GREAT QUESTION. UH, SO THERE, IN WITHIN C THERE ARE TWO FULLY ENTITLED PROJECTS. UH, THEY ARE, UH, ESSENTIALLY MIXED USE PROPOSALS. UM, THEY'RE CURRENTLY ON THE MARKET, UM, BUT THEY'VE BEEN ENTITLED FOR, UM, AT LEAST FIVE PLUS YEARS. UM, ASIDE FROM THAT, WITHIN A, B AND C, THERE HAS BEEN NO SUBSTANTIAL, UH, PROJECTS THAT HAVE, UM, BEEN SUBMITTED NO PROJECTS. SO DO WE HAVE A SENSE FOR, WITH THE OVERLAY HOW THAT MIGHT CHANGE? YES, AND SO AGAIN, WHAT'S PROMPTING US HERE, UM, AS I THINK ALSO SORT OF BURIED IN SOME OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT IS, UM, THERE IS THE VALUE, UH, THAT, [02:50:01] UH, PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS, AGAIN, THIS, THERE'S NOTHING THAT THE OVERLAY WOULD COMPEL A, A PROPERTY OWNER TO MOVE FORWARD AND SUBMIT SOMETHING, BUT THIS CREATES THAT ADDITIONAL INCENTIVE, UH, THAT ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO BRING A PROJECT FORWARD. AND SO, UH, RIGHT OFF THE BAT, THE EXAMPLE IS THE PROPOSED HOTEL. UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, AND WE'VE ALSO RECEIVED SOME ADDITIONAL, UH, COMMENTS THAT ARE, UM, POSTED AS PART OF THE RECORD THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SORT OF THIS, UH, INDEPENDENT ASSESSMENT THAT, UH, BY CREATING THIS INCENTIVE, AND I THINK ANDREW DID A REALLY GREAT JOB HIGHLIGHTING THE STRATEGIC ECONOMICS, UM, MEMO THAT WAS SUBMITTED AND DONE AS PART OF THIS WORK. UM, THIS DOES PROVIDE THAT ADDITIONAL INCENTIVE, UH, TO BRING REDEVELOPMENT, UM, INTO PETALUMA. SO IN ALL THE, ALL OF YOUR TIME, BRIAN, DOING THIS KIND OF WORK, UM, WITH THE OVERLAY, AND, AND IF THE, IF THE HOTEL IS APPROVED, LIKE WHAT'S YOUR SENSE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT THAT MAY FOLLOW? LIKE, IS THIS, YOU KNOW, GIVE US AN AVENUE TO GO OUT AND TRY TO GET SOME MORE PROJECTS, OR DOES IT OPEN FLOODGATES? KINDA, I'M JUST LOOKING FOR SOME, SOME DIRECTIONAL GUY, YOU KNOW, INPUT HERE. I DON'T BELIEVE THIS OPENS THE FLOODGATES PER SE. EACH AND EVERY, UM, PROJECT, UM, WILL HAVE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY COME UP WITH A, A PLAN, THE SET OF, UH, INVESTMENT, UM, THAT'S REQUIRED TO, UM, REDEVELOP, UH, A SITE. AND SO WHILE I WOULDN'T SAY THIS IS OPENING OF THE FLOODGATES, THIS PROVIDES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR COUNCIL FOR COMMUNITY PLANNING COMMISSION, HCPC AND THE CITY, UH, TO, UM, CREATE A REGULATORY, UM, FRAMEWORK THAT IS MORE ATTRACTIVE FOR POTENTIAL PROJECTS TO COME THROUGH. UM, AND SO ANY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ALSO NOT THE FIRST TIME, UH, THE CITY HAS, UM, MOVED FORWARD WITH AN OVERLAY. AND SO IF YOU REALLY THINK BACK FAR ENOUGH, UH, THE MOST SUBSTANTIVE REDEVELOPMENT THAT WE HAVE SEEN DOWNTOWN IS WITH RESPECT TO BASIN STREET AND THE THEATER SQUARE DISTRICT. UH, PART OF, ONE OF, YOU KNOW, THE BUNDLING OF ENTITLEMENTS. THERE WAS THE THEATER DISTRICT, THEATER SQUARE DISTRICT OVERLAY. UM, SO AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN IMPLEMENTING IN THE PAST, UM, NOT JUST IN THIS CITY, BUT UH, AS PLANNING PRACTITIONERS, UH, THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. THANK YOU. ONE LAST QUESTION. I'M SORRY, BEFORE WE LEAVE THAT QUESTION, COUNCIL MEMBER, I COULD JUST ADD, UM, I THINK, I MEAN, STAFF, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I THINK, UM, IT'S ALSO FAIR TO SAY IN RESPONSE TO THE WAY THAT OVERLAY'S BEEN STRUCTURED, IN TERMS OF STAFF'S UNDERSTANDING OF THE DIRECTION WE'VE SEEN FROM THE COUNCIL BASED ON RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE HCPC AND ALSO THE PUBLIC, UM, THE OVERLAY'S DESIGNED TO PROVIDE, UM, THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR DEVELOPMENT INTENSIFICATION THAT STAFF HAVE DESCRIBED WHILE LEAVING CONTROL WITH THE DECISION MAKERS SO THAT IT'S UP TO THEM ON A PROJECT BY PROJECT BASIS, WHETHER THEY WANT TO UTILIZE THAT OR NOT. SO THAT, SO THAT, THAT INTENSIFICATION CAN'T BE FORCED ON THE DECISION MAKERS, BUT IT CAN BE OFFERED AND THEY CAN ENGAGE WITH IT, UM, AND TO, TO MAKE IT HAPPEN IF THEY WISH. SO I DON'T DUNNO IF ANYONE WANTS TO. OKAY, THANKS. THANK YOU. JUST ONE MORE QUESTION. UH, SO WITH THE OVERLAY, WE'RE INCREASING THE, UH, FLOOR AREA RATIO FROM 2.5 TO SIX, UM, I WAS, UH, CURIOUS ABOUT THE DECISION TO LEAVE THE UNITS PER ACRE AT 30. IS THERE, CAN ANYONE ELABORATE ON THAT? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, CURRENTLY IN OUR GENERAL PLAN OUTSIDE OF THE CENTRAL PETALUMA SPECIFIC PLAN, SO THE SMART CODE AND THAT, THAT AREA 30 UNITS PER ACRE IS AS HIGH AS OUR DENSITY GOES. SO WHEN WE STARTED, WE DID CONSIDER THAT AND CONSIDERED AN INCREASE IN DENSITY. IT WOULD'VE BEEN A MUCH MORE SIGNIFICANT CHANGE ACROSS THE BOARD. WE HAVE ONE MIXED USE LAND USE DESIGNATION. IT SAYS ZERO, UH, UP TO 30 UNITS PER ACRE, WHICH IS THE MAXIMUM DENSITY. SO WE, WE DIDN'T WANT TO GO IN AND OPEN [02:55:01] THAT UP AS PART OF THIS OVERLAY TO EXPAND THE DENSITY ACROSS ALL MIXED USE DESIGNATIONS WITHIN THE CITY. WE ARE LOOKING AT DOING MODIFICATIONS TO ALLOWABLE DENSITY AS PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE AND, UM, MORE DI DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN DIFFERENT MIXED USE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS AS PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE. THANK YOU. ONE FOLLOW UP. UM, SO IF A DEVELOPMENT CAME AND THEY WERE PROPOSING SOMETHING THAT WAS GREATER THAN 30, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED IN THE REVIEW PROCESS AND POSSIBLY A, A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT? IS THAT HOW THAT WORKS? NO, UM, NOT, NOT WITH LIKE WITHIN THE OVERLAY BOUNDARIES? NO, IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE OVERLAY, UM, OR THE DENSITY ALLOWED IN THE OVERLAY AS IT'S CURRENTLY DRAFTED. IT WOULD STILL REMAIN AT A MAXIMUM OF 30 UNITS PER ACRE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE GENERAL PLAN HAS FOR THE MIXED USE LAND USE DESIGNATION. THE ONLY EXCEPTION TO THAT WOULD BE BASED ON THE PROVISION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UM, THAT THROUGH THE STATE DENSITY BONUS MAY ALLOW ADDITIONAL DENSITY, UM, BASED ON HOW MUCH AND AT WHAT AFFORDABILITY HOUSING WAS PROVIDED. GOT IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT, ANYONE JUMPING IN, I'D LIKE TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT. SO, UM, ANY, ANY, ANY, UH, HOUSING PROJECT THAT COMES IN, PETALUMA CURRENTLY WOULD HAVE A 15% AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMPONENT. AND WOULDN'T THEY HAVE, UM, THE ABILITY TO HAVE A DENSITY BONUS TO TAKE 'EM OVER 30? UH, EVEN 15, POTENTIALLY 15%? I, I CANNOT REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD WHERE THE, THE FIRST TIER OF DENSITY BONUS. SO IF AT AT VERY LOW, YEAH, IF IT'S AT VERY LOW, WE REQUIRE, SO IF IT WAS FOR SALE, OUR LOCAL INCLUSIONARY IS MODERATE AND LOW. IF THE DENSITY BONUS CEILING IS 5% AT VERY LOW, THEY'D NEED TO MAKE IT VERY LOW IF IT WAS A RENTAL PROJECT. SO THERE'S NUANCES TO THAT. BUT YES, IT'S VERY CLOSE. BY THE TIME YOU DO HIT OUR LOCAL INCLUSIONARY OF 15%, IT MATCHES UP, UM, AT, WITH SOME OF THE LOWER TIERS OF THE DENSITY BONUS PROVISIONS. YEAH. VERY FEW HOUSES ARE GETTING BUILT IN PETALUMA AND THAT'S WHY, AND, AND WE GET OUR REPORT OUT NEXT MONTH ABOUT WHAT THAT IS. AND, AND I MEAN, THAT'S WHY I'M VERY INTERESTED IN ADVANCING THIS. UM, WE, UM, WE ONLY PUT IN 112 UNITS OVER AVERAGE OVER THE LAST SIX YEARS, AND OF THOSE 28 PER YEAR ARE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. UH, AND WE WERE INCLUDING THE COTS TINY HOUSES, AND WE WERE INCLUDING THE MONTERO INTO THAT STATISTIC. SO REALLY THE, THE VOLUME OF NEW HOUSES IS QUITE SMALL, BUT I LOOK AT LAVIAS POPPING UP AND I MEAN, IT'S PRETTY BIG AND IT, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY BOLD RIGHT THERE ON THE BOULEVARD. UM, BUT IT HAS NO AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN IT. IT, THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S OLDER THAN OUR ORDINANCE. I MEAN, HOW, HOW OLD DID IT HAVE TO BE? HOW DID OLD DID THAT NEW BUILDING HAVE TO HAVE GOTTEN APPROVED TO NOT HAVE AFFORDABLE IN IT? THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, THAT IS CORRECT. IT WAS DEEMED COMPLETE PRIOR TO THE REQUIREMENT FOR ONSITE INCLUSIONARY. THERE USED TO BE A PROVISION THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT COULD CHOOSE WHETHER TO PAY THE IN LIEU FEE OR PROVIDE IT ON SITE. UM, I'M NOT REMEMBERING DATE. I THINK THAT WAS 2018. I WANNA DO, WE HAVE 2018 IS WHEN THAT WAS, I WANNA SAY THAT. SO IT'S JUST BUILT NOW AND IT WAS APPROVED IN 2018, SO IT WAS NOT APPROVED YET. I BELIEVE THAT WHEN THE COUNCIL ADOPTED THAT IT WAS, IF IT WAS DEEMED COMPLETE, THE APPLICATION WAS DEEMED COMPLETE WHEN THAT ORDINANCE WENT INTO EFFECT THAT THEY WERE IN EFFECT, THEY COULD GRANDFATHER UNDER THE ABILITY TO PAY THE ENLO FEE. OKAY. DID, DID THAT BUILDING COME IN AT, UM, 30 UNITS PER ACRE? NO, I DON'T, I, I DON'T, I DON'T REMEMBER. THAT IS IN THIS, IN THE CPSP. SO THAT DOES NOT HAVE THE CEILING OF 30 UNITS PER ACRE. SO THAT PROPERTY COULD BE MORE DENSE THAN, YEAH, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE DENSITY WAS. OKAY. ANYBODY WANNA JUMP IN WITH SOMETHING HERE? UH, VICE MAYOR. UM, THANK YOU MR. MAYOR AND THANK YOU, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER GWT, 'CAUSE MANY OF HIS QUESTIONS WERE ALSO MINE. UM, AND GOING ALONG WITH WHAT HIS QUESTIONS WERE. AND THE MAYORS, THE FAR, THE HIGH DENSITY IS MORE UNITS PER SQUARE FOOTAGE, [03:00:01] AND THAT'S 30 DWELLINGS UNITS AN ACRE. BUT IS THAT FAR FOR COMMERCIAL OR FAR FOR RESIDENTIAL AND OR MIXED USE? CAN YOU HELP EXPLAIN THAT? SO THE, UH, THE FLOOR AREA RATIO IS FAIRLY AGNOSTIC TO THE TYPE OF LAND USE RESIDENTIAL VERSUS COMMERCIAL. IT'S REALLY JUST LOOKING AT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING ITSELF. AND SO IT'S GOING TO BE A RATIO BETWEEN THE BUILDING SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THE SITE SQUARE FOOTAGE. SO BY, BY INCREASING THE FLOOR TO AREA RATIO TO SIX, THAT ALLOWS FOR THE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT. UM, BUT YOU'RE STILL LIMITED TO THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. SO THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE FAR AND WHAT YOU GET FROM THE BUILDING SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THEN, UM, DENSITY AND WHAT YOU GET FOR THE NUMBER OF UNITS PER ACRE. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, THERE WERE SOME OTHER QUESTIONS THAT I HAD THAT I SUBMITTED AND THEY WERE GIVEN THE ANSWERS TO ME WERE GIVEN AS PART OF THE MASTER RESPONSES. WELL, UNFORTUNATELY, I NEVER GOT A HARD COPY OF IN THE, UM, INTERNET FOR SOME REASON IT WOULD NOT LOAD THOSE PAGES. AND SO THERE'S A GLITCH THERE IN THE TECHNOLOGY, UM, WITH THE, UM, FEIR. SO, UM, I'M A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED THAT I COULDN'T GET A HARD COPY. UM, I HEARD IT WAS A COST FACTOR AND I COULD SEE THE APPLICANT WANTING, BECAUSE IT'S DEPENDENT ON THE OVERLAY FOR THEIR HOTEL APPROVAL. AND WITHOUT THE HARD COPY, THIS KIND OF GLITCHES ARE GONNA COME UP AND THEN, AND WHEN YOU'RE USING TECHNOLOGY. SO I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT OUT THERE. AND THE RESPONSIBILITY SHOULD HAVE BEEN SHARED WITHOUT DEL, THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION SUB AREA A DOES NOT PROBABLY HAVE ANY RESIDENTIAL. THOSE ARE ALL COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, BUT B AND C COULD HAVE, UM, RESIDENTIAL C FOR SURE COULD HAVE RESIDENTIAL. AND I ALSO SUBMITTED A QUESTION REGARDING THE PARKING AND SUBAR C BECAUSE IT IS THE FURTHEST AWAY FROM THE SMART STATION. SO CAN YOU EXPLAIN, UM, I BELIEVE WHAT WAS CALLED THE PARKING ASSESSMENT DISTRICT, AND THERE'S ABOUT 10, UM, 10 PROPERTIES, UM, ESPECIALLY WASHINGTON STREET AND LIBERTY STREET THAT DON'T, THEY'RE NOT IN THAT, THAT PARKING ASSESSMENT DISTRICT. SURE. SO, SO IF WE GO BACK TO SUB AREA, A EVEN THOUGH SUB AREA A HAS PARCELS THAT ARE DEVELOPED WITH EXISTING COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, THOSE PARCELS COULD BE REDEVELOPED WITH, UH, MIXED USE. SO THEY COULD SUPPORT RESIDENTIAL UNDER, UNDER CURRENT ZONING, UNDER THE MU TWO ZONING, BUT ALSO UNDER THE OVERLAY. SO WHAT'S EXISTING DOES NOT NECESSARILY DICTATE WHAT COULD BE REDEVELOPED THERE. SO ALL THREE OF THE PARCELS, EVEN EVEN, UM, IN THOSE, THOSE PARCELS WHERE THERE IS COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, IT COULD BE REDEVELOPED FOR, UH, RESIDENTIAL MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL, UM, DEVELOPMENT IN, IN TERMS OF THE, UM, PARKING REQUIREMENT, IF WE LOOK UP HERE, UH, IN THE SCREEN, YOU CAN SEE WHERE A MAJORITY OF THE PARCELS ARE WITHIN THE BOUNDARY OF THE PARKING, ACCE PARKING ASSESSMENT DISTRICT. UM, THERE'S, THERE IS THAT SECTION OF SUB AREA C THAT FALLS OUTSIDE OF THE PARKING ASSESSMENT DISTRICT. AND SO IT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO PARKING REQUIREMENTS EXCEPT THAT AB 29 OR UM, 29 7 29 SB OR AB AB AB AB 2097 DOES NOT ALLOW THE CITY TO REQUIRE A MINIMUM AMOUNT OF PARKING FOR NEW PROJECTS THAT ARE PROPOSED WITHIN HALF A MILE OF TRANSIT. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE HALF MILE SMART RADIUS, AND WE DO SEE THAT A MAJORITY OF, OF, UM, WELL, IN FACT ALL OF THE OVERLAY, UH, SUB AREAS ARE WITHIN THAT HALF MILE RADIUS OF SMART, THEN THAT AB 2097 WOULD KICK IN, WOULD ELIMINATE THE MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENT THAT THE CITY COULD REQUIRE OF A PROJECT EXCEPT FOR HOTELS OR EVENT CENTERS. SO FOR THOSE TWO TYPES OF LAND USES, THE, THE CITY CAN STILL, UH, ESTABLISH A MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENT. OKAY. UM, UH, LEMME ROLL THAT OVER, [03:05:01] BUT, UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR NOW. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, MS. GONNA OUR NEXT QUESTION, COUNCIL MEMBER RIZZ. OKAY, AS USUAL, I HAVE A FEW, UM, JUST GOING BACK TO THE, UM, 30 UNITS PER ACRE CONCEPT FOR THE OVERLAY, LET'S SAY, UM, WE WANT TO BUILD SOME HOUSING IN THIS STRUCTURE, AND LET'S SAY IT'S GONNA END UP BEING SIX STORIES HIGH AND GOING THROUGH, UH, WE GOT AN EMAIL, UH, THAT DID GO DOWN AND ACTUALLY DEMONSTRATE MATHEMATICALLY THAT AT 30 UNITS PER ACRE, ONE THIRD OF ACRE WHERE THE HOTEL IS GOING TO BE, UM, YOU'D GET MORE THAN 30 UNITS PER ACRE JUST IN THE THIRD OR FOURTH STORIES. YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THE FIFTH OR SIXTH STORIES TO EVEN GET THAT MUCH. SO IF WE REALLY, UM, WANT HOUSING THAT'S GONNA GO UP HIGHER THAN THE FOUR STORIES, THEN UM, WOULD WE HAVE TO CHANGE IT FROM A 30 PER ACRE AND PROBABLY HAVE TO GO TO A 45 PER ACRE, MAYBE EVEN A 60 PER ACRE? HOW HIGH WOULD WE NEED TO GO FOR UNITS ALLOWED PER ACRE TO REALLY GET A SIX STORY, UM, RESIDENTIAL? THANKS, COUNCILMAN FOR THE QUESTION. UM, SO I, I'M GONNA JUMP IN JUST, UH, WITH A PRELIMINARY ANSWER, UM, ABOUT HOW MUCH, UM, DENSITY IS REQUIRED. AND SO THERE'S, IT'S TWO PARTS. I I THINK THE RESPONSE BACK IS, UH, WHAT'S THE TYPE OF HOUSING, RIGHT? SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PER HOUSING ELEMENT, UM, OUR CERTIFIED HOUSING ELEMENT, UH, SOME OF THE OBJECTIVES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WE'RE WANTING, UH, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S NATURALLY AFFORDABLE. SO IT'S TYPICALLY SMALLER UNITS, UM, AND THEN DEED RESTRICTED, UH, UNITS. AND SO AS HEATHER MENTIONED EARLIER, THERE ALREADY IS THE PROVISION WITHIN THE STATE DENSITY BONUS LAW THAT WE CAN GO ABOVE, UM, THE 30 AN ACRE, UH, DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF HOUSING, THE DEED RESTRICTED HOUSING. AND SO IF THAT'S, UH, THAT'S ONE WAY THAT WE CAN, UH, CONTINUE TO INCENTIVIZE MORE UNITS, UH, AND THE TYPE OF, UH, DEED RESTRICTION, INCOME RESTRICTION THAT, UH, WE ARE SEEKING. YOU KNOW, IT'S A NEED THAT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED, AND SO THERE'S ALREADY A PATH FOR THAT THROUGH STATE DENSITY BONUS LAW. UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT IN IN PRIOR MEETINGS. UH, THIS QUESTION ABOUT, UH, MARKET RATE. SO TO ME, THE BIGGEST HOUSING OPPORTUNITY THAT, UM, IS PART OF THIS PROPOSAL IS, UH, THE ABILITY FOR A PROJECT TO COME IN AT THE GROUND FLOOR WITH THE RESIDENTIAL. UH, SO WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PEDESTRIAN ACTIVATION ZONES, UH, BUT THE PRIMARY INCENTIVE HERE IS, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE, WHEN WE LOOK AT LIKE A LAVIA, THE ENTIRE GROUND FLOOR IS STILL, UH, LOOKING FOR TENANCY, RIGHT? SO THIS GIVES THE FLEXIBILITY FOR A FUTURE, UH, PROJECT PROPONENT, UH, TO COME IN WITH A SMALLER RETAIL, ALMOST MINUSCULE RETAIL COMPONENT, UM, AND ACTUALLY GET SOMETHING TO PENCIL OUT. UM, I, I KNOW WE BRIEFLY LOOKED AT THE QUESTION ABOUT UNITS PER ACRE, UM, BUT AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW, AS WE, AGAIN, WHEN WE REVIEWED THE DRAFT EIR, WE LOOKED AT IT, UH, WITH THE 30 WITHOUT A CHANGE, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY REVISIT AS PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE. IT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, OUR GENERAL PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE HAS OFTEN DISCUSSED. UM, AND SO THIS QUESTION ABOUT DENSITY AND WHERE IT SHOULD GO, UM, WILL CONTINUE BEYOND THE DISCUSSION OF THE OVERLAY. OKAY, GOOD. THANK YOU. UM, AND THEN I'M LOOKING AT THE, UM, WHEN AND WHERE, UM, 'CAUSE A LOT OF THE, THE ER THAT'S JUST COME OUT FOR IS THAT EIR IS ESSENTIALLY SAYING, UM, THE COMPLAINTS THAT ARE BEING PUT FORTH, CONCEPTS REALLY DON'T BELONG IN THE EIR. THEY BELONG IN THIS OTHER, UH, SPAR PROCESS, THE H SPA PROCESS, THE CUP PROCESS, THE REVIEW PROCESS, ESSENTIALLY, PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING IS GONNA BE PUSHED INTO THOSE PROCESSES FOR THE ACTUAL HOTEL AND POSSIBLY FOR ANY PROJECT THAT COMES FORWARD. UM, AND THAT THE IR IS JUST LIKE, OKAY, LEGALLY IT'S JUST, IT JUST IS WHAT IT IS. SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO THINK OF WHEN AND WHERE CAN WE ACTUALLY PUT THE LIMITS OR BREAKS ON LIMITING WHATEVER PROJECT DOES COME UP WITH A HOTEL, WHATEVER RESIDENTIAL MARKET RATE, WHATEVER. SO AS WE COME UP AND DO THESE THINGS, UM, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT I'M NOT SURE WHERE IT WOULD BELONG, BUT EXAMPLE FOR THE HOTEL, UH, I KNOW THE ACE HARDWARE IS, UM, ACCORDING TO THE EIR IS NOT OFFICIALLY HISTORIC. AND SO YOU DON'T REQUIRE THE 10 FOOT SETBACK FROM IT, BUT IT WOULD THE COUNCIL, UM, OR OTHER GROUP, THE H BAR GROUP, BE ABLE TO SAY, NO, IT REALLY IS. [03:10:01] AND SO THERE'S A 10 FOOT SETBACK BOTH ON THE FIFTH FLOOR AND ON THE SIXTH FLOOR FROM H HARDWARE. WOULD THAT BE STILL THE, UH, UM, WHAT WE COULD, WHAT COULD BE DONE OR WHAT COULD BE REQUIRED GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS? 'CAUSE YOU ALREADY HAVE IN THERE A 10 FOOT SETBACK FOR, FROM HISTORIC BUILDINGS. SO IN, IN THAT SITUATION, THE PROJECT IS OF COURSE, SUBJECT TO DISCRETIONARY REVIEW AND HCPC WOULD BE CHARGED WITH MAKING THE FINDINGS TO, UM, APPROVE OR DISPROVE THE PROJECT. AND SO EVEN LET'S, LET'S SAY FOR INSTANCE THAT A HISTORIC RESOURCE EVALUATION, UH, DETERMINES THAT THE, UH, CURRENT ACE HARDWARE IS NOT A HISTORIC RESOURCE, BUT HCPC SAYS, WELL, WE DISAGREE WITH THE HRE. WE BELIEVE THAT IT IS, UM, A HISTORIC RESOURCE AND DISPROVES THE PROJECT ON THAT, THAT BASIS, UM, THE APPLICANT HAS THE RIGHT TO APPEAL THAT DECISION TO THE CITY COUNCIL. OKAY. JUST, JUST CHECKING ABOUT WHEN, WHEN AND WHERE TO, UH, THESE RESTRICTIONS. AND THEN IN THE STEP BACKS, THE STEP BACKS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THERE ARE BASICALLY EIGHT FOOT FROM THE, THE STREET LEVEL, UH, FROM THE STREET SIDES, BUT NOT FROM THE BACK SIDES. MM-HMM . UM, AND ONLY 10 FOOT IF IT'S A HISTORIC BUILDING. UM, THOSE EIGHT FEET, ARE WE, IS THAT WHAT'S BEING DETERMINED NOW AS WHAT WE'RE SETTING? OR IS IT, COULD WE ALSO MAKE A CHANGE NOW AND MAKE A SUGGESTION THAT IT COULD BE, OH, NOT EIGHT FOOT, LET'S TAKE 10 FOOT AND WHAT WE SAID FOR THE HISTORIC BUILDING. 'CAUSE BASICALLY I'M SEEING VIEWS FROM BOTH SIDES, ALL ANGLES FROM ONE STREET OVER, UH, MAYBE AND STARTED BUILDING NEXT TO IT, BUT IT'S GONNA BE SO MUCH SMALLER. IT'S REALLY, UM, UM, IT'S GONNA BE LIKE FROM STREET VIEW FOR ME. SO COULD WE ACTUALLY ADD IN NOW, OH, WE, WE NEED TO PUT EIGHT FOOT OR EVEN 10 FOOT ON ALL FOUR SIDES AND PUT THAT IN NOW, OR DO WE PUT THAT IN LATER? WELL, THE, UH, THE, THE OVERLAY IS PROPOSED AND, AND IT'S THE DRAFT OVERLAY THAT'S BEFORE THE COUNCIL THIS EVENING THAT ESTABLISHES THE SETBACKS AT EIGHT FEET. SO IF THE COUNCIL CHOOSES TO MODIFY THOSE SETBACKS REQUIREMENTS TO EXPAND THEM TO 10 FEET OR TO ADD THEM TO ALL FOUR SIDES OF THE BUILDING, THEN IT, IT COULD AMEND THE OVERLAY ASSETS PROPOSED AND DO SO THIS EVENING, RIGHT? 'CAUSE I THINK A 10 FOOT PLUS 10 FOOT ON FIFTH AND SIXTH STORIES, THAT WOULD TREMENDOUSLY REDUCE THE MASS VIEW IN FROM ALL DIRECTIONS. I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST COMPLAINTS THAT WE'RE GETTING. SO THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE AS A POSSIBILITY JUST FOR COUNCIL TO THINK ABOUT, UH, TONIGHT ON THAT. SO IF WE CAN GET TO THAT LEVEL, IT STILL CAN GO UP, BUT GETS A LITTLE BIT MORE RESTRICTED IN THE MASS AT THE TOP AS A POSSIBILITY. JUST, JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. UM, LET'S SEE THEN, UM, AND I THINK IT WAS MENTIONED THERE THAT EVEN THOUGH WITH THE STREET LEVEL ACTIVATIONS THAT IF THEY'RE NOT FILLED BY BUSINESSES THAT WE, THAT THEY COULD BE EVEN, UH, TURNED INTO RESIDENTIAL. SO IT'S POSSIBLE TO HAVE A HUNDRED PERCENT RESIDENTIAL IN THESE BUILDINGS IN THE OVERLAY. IS THAT STILL THE, A POSSIBILITY? ONLY, ONLY ON THOSE, UM, STREET FACADES THAT ARE NOT DESIGNATED PEDESTRIAN ACTIVATION ZONES. OKAY. UH, THE NEXT ONE IS IN, UH, WHETHER IT BE IN THE CUP PROCESS, THE SPAR PROCESS OR THE H BAR PROCESS, THERE IS A, A LOT OF OBJECTIONS TO THE ACTUAL DESIGN LOOK OF THE HOTEL AND MAYBE WHAT MIGHT BE IN THE OVERLAY. UM, 'CAUSE I SUSPECT, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WANTS A, A SOLID CONCRETE SIX STORY CUBICLE ANYWHERE. UM, SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT, WHAT'S, BRING IT DOWN TO SOMETHING THAT THAT'S REASONABLE. UM, SO IN THE OBJECTIVES DESIGN STANDARDS, I THINK YOU HAVE SOME SUBJECTIVE THINGS IN THERE. SO IF, UM, WHICH COMMITTEE OR WHICH GROUP OF FOLKS WE'RE GONNA SAY, OKAY, WE DON'T LIKE THE SQUARE MODERN DESIGN. WE WANT, WE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING ELSE. UH, AND MAKING DEMANDS. WE WANT ROUND WINDOWS, WE WANT A FACADE THAT'S GOT A LITTLE ARTISTIC, WE WANT THE TOP EDGES. LIKE ONE OF THE EMAILS THAT CAME OUT RECENTLY WAS, OH, LET'S, EVEN IF YOU JUST TAKE THE TOP EDGE AND KIND OF LIKE MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE INTERESTING LOOKING ARTISTIC, THAT WOULD BE AN IMPROVEMENT. SO EVEN AT THE FOURTH FLOOR, SO FOURTH FLOORS UP, WHICH IS THE TOP STREET LEVEL, YOU'D HAVE INTERESTING DESIGNS. AND THEN THE FIFTH IS DOWN IN THE SIXTH IS EVEN FURTHER DOWN IN, YOU WON'T EVEN SEE THOSE FROM THE DOWN STREET LEVEL 'CAUSE THEY'RE MUCH SMALLER. SO THEREFORE, AND IF WE CHANGE THAT DESIGN, MAKE IT AT LEAST BETTER, UM, WHERE IN THE QUESTIONS DOES THAT HAPPEN? YEAH, THE QUESTION IS WHEN WHEN DOES THAT DECISION MAKING, WHICH PROCESS WOULD THAT COME UNDER? SURE. SO THAT WOULD HAPPEN IN TWO PLACES. UH, FIRST WOULD BE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT SUBJECT TO REVIEW BY PLANNING COMMISSION. ONE OF THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD HAVE TO FIND THAT THE OVERALL BUILDING [03:15:01] DESIGN AND USE OF THE SITE DEMONSTRATES EXCEPTIONAL ARCHITECTURE AND DESIGN. ADDITIONALLY, THE DETERMINATION OF EXCEPTIONAL ARCHITECTURE AND DESIGN, UH, SHALL BE GUIDED BY INPUT OF A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL CHOSEN BY THE CITY. SO YOU HAVE IT ON THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT SITE. BUT THEN WHEN WE GO OVER TO THE SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, OR HISTORIC SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, ALL OF THOSE CRITERIA ARE GOING TO BE RELATED TO BUILDING AND SITE DESIGN. TO AESTHETICS, TO NEIGHBORHOOD COMPATIBILITY AND SO FORTH. RIGHT? SO THOSE ARE THE PLACES THAT REALLY SAY, LET'S, LET'S CORRECT, LET'S WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER AND, AND MAKE THIS DESIGN SO IT'S AT LEAST ACCEPTABLE. CORRECT. BECAUSE I THINK EVERYBODY, WE WANNA HAVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BUT WE'RE FINDING THE CURRENT PROJECT VERY NOT SO NICE, SHALL WE SAY, . UM, SO I THINK, I THINK WE WE'RE, I THINK PRETTY MUCH WE'RE, WE'RE IN AGREEMENT ON THAT, BUT IF WE CAN CHANGE, MAKE THE CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE MADE, MAKE THINGS ACCEPTABLE, UH, GET IT THROUGH THIS PROCESS TO GET THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT WE NEED. SO THAT'S SORT OF LIKE THE GOAL. SO I'M LOOKING FOR WHERE WE CAN COMPROMISE AND, AND WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY AND WITH THE COMMITTEES WHERE THESE DECISIONS ARE MADE. OKAY. SO I'M JUST KINDA LOOKING FOR WHERE THAT IS. UM, AND THEN EXCEPTIONAL, ARCHITECTURALLY REQUIRED, COULD YOU JUST DESCRIBE, UH, WHAT DOES AR EXCEPTIONAL ARCHITECTURALLY REQUIREMENT, WHAT DOES THAT REALLY INCLUDE? WHAT, WHAT WOULD MAKE IT EXCEPTIONAL? SURE. SO THAT WOULD BE, UH, CRITERIA NUMBER SIX OF THE, THE ADDITIONAL CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. AND THERE'S, LET'S SEE, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 DIFFERENT FACTORS. ONE IS THE USE OF INNOVATIVE, CREATIVE, OR ORIGINAL ARCHITECTURAL CONCEPTS, MATERIALS OR BUILDING TECHNIQUES. THE SECOND IS THE USE OF VISUAL, UH, ELEMENTS THAT CONTRIBUTE POSITIVELY TO THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT. WELL PROPORTIONED FACADES, PLEASING MATERIALS, UNIQUE FEATURES. THE THIRD IS THE UNI, THE USE OF INNOVATIVE BUILDING SYSTEMS OR FORMS OR THE USE OF CREATIVE DESIGN TO INCREASE BUILDING EFFICIENCY, REDUCE ENERGY CONSUMPTION. THERE WE'RE GETTING TO SUSTAINABLE DESIGN AS OPPOSED TO AESTHETIC DESIGN PERHAPS. UM, BUT IDEALLY INTEGRATING THOSE, UH, LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT, GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE FEATURES OR THE USE OF HIGH QUALITY BUILDING MATERIALS THAT CAN CONTRIBUTE TO LONG-TERM DURABILITY AND VISUAL QUALITY. SO THE, THE PROJECT TO BE CONSIDERED EXCEPTIONAL DESIGN, UM, IT, THE PROJECT HAS TO DEMONSTRATE ANY OF THOSE, BUT ADDITIONALLY IT HAS TO HAVE THAT REVIEW BY A QUALIFIED DESIGN PROFESSIONAL SELECTED BY THE CITY THAT, THAT WOULD CRITIQUE THE PROJECT DESIGN WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF, UM, THESE, UH, THESE SIX OR FIVE JUST DEFINING CHARACTERISTICS OF EXCEPTIONAL DESIGN. DESIGN. RIGHT. NOW, ONE CONCERN, I THINK MAYBE PEOPLE ARE HEARING THE WORD OR RATHER THAN, AND CORRECT. SO, OR MEANS ONE OUTTA THE SIX NEEDS TO BE MET AND, AND IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED EXCEPTIONAL DESIGN, WHEREAS IS, IS, IS THAT ESTABLISHED THAT IT HAS TO BE JUST ONE, OR CAN WE SAY, OH, IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE TWO OR THREE? WE WOULD INTERPRET BY ANY OF THE FOLLOWING TO BE THAT ONE AT A MINIMUM ONE. CORRECT. AT A MINIMUM ONE. CAN THAT BE CHANGED AT THIS POINT? SURE. AT THE, THAT WOULD BE AT THE, UM, PLEASURE OF THE, UH, COUNCIL. SO IF WE GOT THAT TO MAYBE THREE OUT OF THE SIX, HALF OF THEM SURE. MIGHT BE NICE. I DO, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO POINT OUT, UH, ONE THING. FIRST OFF, WE DID, WE DID DETERMINE THAT THE DENSITY FOR THE LAVIA OR THE NORTH RIVER APARTMENTS IS 47 UNITS PER ACRE, SO WELL ABOVE THE 30 UNITS PER ACRE. THE SECOND THING IS, ONE OF THE FACTORS WITH BUILDING HEIGHT IS NOT JUST ABOUT THE, THE DENSITY OR THE NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS ALLOWED, IT'S ALSO THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION TO GO UP TO, UM, 45 FEET OR HIGHER. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT INCREASING STEP BACKS AND REDUCING BUILDING SQUARE FOOTAGE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION RELATED TO REQUIRING MULTIPLE, UM, CRITERIA TO BE DETERMINED TO BE EXCEPTIONAL DESIGN, ALL OF THOSE FACTORS THAT INCREASE THAT EITHER INCREASE THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION OR REDUCE THE REVENUE TO BE GENERATED BY THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED, ARE GOING TO FACTOR INTO THE VIABILITY OF THE PROJECT FROM THE DEVELOPER PERSPECTIVE. SO I, I BELIEVE THAT'S ONE THING THAT'S COVERED IN DETAIL IN THE STRATEGIC ECONOMICS MEMORANDUM, SORT OF THE INTERPLAY OF CONSTRUCTION COSTS VERSUS RENTS AND HOW SENSITIVE THE, THE REAL ESTATE MARKETS ARE TO THOSE FACTORS. AND SO I JUST DID WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT AS WE TALK ABOUT DENSITY, AS WE TALK ABOUT SORT OF RESTRICTING THE ABILITY OF A PROJECT TO DEVELOP, UM, TO, TO, UH, MAXIMUM HYDRO OR MAXIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE UNDER THE CURRENT DISCRETIONARY REVIEW, UM, FRAMEWORK THAT'S PROPOSED, THAT [03:20:01] ANY OF THOSE THAT RESTRICT THE ABILITY TO DEVELOP SQUARE FOOTAGE WOULD REDUCE THE POTENTIAL VIABILITY OF A PROJECT GIVEN, UH, RENTS AND CONSTRUCTION COSTS IN THE NORTH BAY. OKAY. BUT IT'S A BALANCE. IT'S HARD TO TELL RIGHT NOW. CORRECT. OKAY. WHAT, HOW LIMITING THINGS WOULD BE. UM, AND, UH, UNLESS YOU CAN COME UP WITH SOME FACTORS, SO IF IT'S ONE FACT, ONE OF THOSE SIX OR TWO OF THOSE SIX OR THREE OF THOSE SIX SMALL ADDITIONAL COSTS THAT EVERY TWEAK KIND OF REDUCES THE, UM, DEVELOPER MAY SAY, SORRY, I'M, I'M WALKING AWAY. CORRECT. THAT'S AT THAT POINT. OKAY. SO VARIOUS THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE. UM, LET'S SEE, UH, MAKE SURE I'VE GOT IT ALL. UM, OKAY. AND I DID, DID IT GO JUST AS A CHECK, UH, SOMEONE, A A A UNION PERSON CALLED ME UP AND SAID, OH, CAN WE GET SOMETHING IN THERE ABOUT WORKFORCE LABOR, UM, REQUIREMENTS IN THE CUP PROCESS? AND THEY'RE TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT A CARD CHECK, UH, NEUTRALITY AGREEMENT TYPE THING. SO ABOUT LABOR, UM, GETTING SOME MORE OF AGREEMENTS THAT IF IT'S A HOTEL, UM, THAT THE LABOR FORCE, UM, WHICH IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ASKING OR TELLING ABOUT UNION LABOR OR NOT, OR, OR HELPING OR DISALLOWING IT, THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, DOES THAT BELONG ANYWHERE IN THE, BECAUSE I WAS ASKED, IS THAT ANYWHERE IN, IN, IN ANY OF THESE PROCESSES? WHERE MIGHT THAT FIT IN? UM, I, I, I THINK WE WOULD NEED MORE INFORMATION ON THAT PROPOSAL. OKAY. I JUST, UM, IT HAS TO DO WITH, UM, THE UNION STATUS OF, OF THE EMPLOYER THAT'S GONNA BE OPERATING THE PROJECT, SO, AND THEIR WORKFORCE. BUT WE NEED SOME MORE INFORMATION TO ADDRESS THAT FOR YOU. OKAY. IS THAT, IS THAT ANYWHERE IN THE BUILDING PROCESS OR IS THAT SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM THE BUILDING PROCESS? IT WOULD, IT WOULD, YES. IT'S SEPARATE. SO THAT WOULD BE CITY COUNCIL REGULATION, UM, UH, POLICE POWER REGULATION. SO WHAT ARE SOME EXAMPLES? UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE HAVE OUR, WE HAVE MINIMUM WAGE WAGE REGULATIONS. WE HAVE LIVING WAGE REGULATIONS. THOSE ARE POLICE POWER REGULATIONS THAT ARE SEPARATE FROM, FROM THE LAND USE, SORT OF, UM, KIND OF REGULATIONS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TONIGHT. AND THAT APPLIES CITYWIDE. RIGHT. ALRIGHT. YEAH, JUST, JUST CHECKING TO SEE ABOUT, UH, UM, UH, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN, IN, IN THE WHOLE PROCESS AS IT'S OPERATIONAL TYPE, THINGS LIKE THAT. OKAY. I THINK THAT'S ENOUGH FOR ME ASKING QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. YEAH, THAT WAS A BIT OF GROUND WE COVERED AT THE WORKSHOP, UH, TOO, YOU KNOW, WE WERE FOCUSED HEAVILY AT THAT ON THE, UM, THE OVERLAY ORDINANCE AND HOW WE WANTED TO CRAFT IT AT THAT TIME. A LOT OF THOSE QUESTIONS, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. UM, COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. SO APPRECIATED. THE, THE SORT OF REALITY CHECK THAT, YOU KNOW, AT 30 UNITS PER ACRE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THREE TO FOUR STORIES TOPS FOR MARKET RATE HOUSING. UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING FROM MY, FROM STATE DENSITY BONUS LAW THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT AT THIS PROXIMITY TO THE TRAIN STATION WITHOUT ANYTHING WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR UNLIMITED DENSITY, NO PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND UP TO 78 FEET TALL. IS THAT CORRECT? UH, IF A PROJECT WAS PROPOSED? UM, THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. HAVE WE HAD ANY PROJECTS LIKE THAT PROPOSED? NO. GOT YOU. OKAY. UM, THAT'S ALL. YEAH, I AM, YOU KNOW, I, I, I KEEP THINKING ABOUT, UM, ALL, ALL THE QUESTIONS AND POSSIBILITIES THAT WE CAN MAKE THE PROJECT PERFECT BY, AND I WATCH AS KATI ACTUALLY APPROVES A 44 UNIT, UM, UM, DEV, AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNIT, UH, NOVATO, UH, UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT IS SETTING UP A 200 UNIT, UH, TEACHER, UH, CAMPUS. AND, UM, LET'S SEE WHO ELSE IS DOING, UM, HOUSING FOR THEIR PEOPLE. TRON FOR GOD'S SAKES. UM, I MEAN, TYRON'S GOT THREE DIFFERENT PROJECTS, UM, WITH, UH, 120 MARKET RATE UNITS IN, IN TRON. UH, THEY HAVE MORE MONEY INCONCEIVABLE. UM, CORD MADERA GOT A 99 UNIT, AFFORDABLE, A HUNDRED PERCENT AFFORDABLE, UM, UNIT IN TEEN, TINY CORD MADERA. UM, AND SO I, I GET COUNCIL MEMBER BARN'S POINT THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT AFFORDABLE HOUSING HAS CARTE BLANCHE FROM THE STATE TO KIND OF RUN WILD, BUT THERE'S LIMITS TO WHAT THEY DO BECAUSE EVEN IN AFFORDABLE, THERE'S WHAT THE MARKET WILL BEAR. THEY STILL NEED, UH, TO, TO MAKE IT ACCEPTABLE FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE IN. UM, WE DO SEE SOME OF THE SMALLER SIZE, UH, SMALLER UNIT SIZES COMING ABOUT BECAUSE OF THAT. BUT, UM, BUT I'M LOOKING FOR SOME MARKET AND SOME AFFORDABLE, WE NEED TO HAVE OUR WORKERS IN THE DOWNTOWN. IT'S, IT'S A CLIMATE IMPERATIVE. IT'S A HOUSING IMPERATIVE. UM, UM, [03:25:01] SO WHY ARE WE BEHIND? AND LIKE, ARE, I THINK IT'S A REPEAT OF THE QUESTION. IS THIS OPENING A FLOODGATE OR IS THIS OPENING ANY GATE? THIS ABSOLUTELY OPENS GATES. IT OPENS AN OPPORTUNITY. UM, IT DOES NOT OPEN A FLOODGATE BY ANY MEANS, BECAUSE BUILT INTO THIS IS A DISCRETIONARY REVIEW PROCESS. EACH OF THOSE PROJECTS, THERE'S A RISK FACTOR. THERE'S CALCULATIONS THAT A PROJECT PROPONENT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH. I ALSO THINK IT, IT'S WORTH MENTIONING, TYPICALLY OUR LANDOWNERS ARE NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF DEVELOPING, RIGHT? SO THERE'S A REASON WHY, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE LAND USES, UM, AS THEY ARE, UM, CURRENTLY. AND SO I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFICS OF SOME OF THE, UH, PROJECTS THAT WERE JUST MENTIONED. UM, I WILL SAY WE, WE DO OUR FAIR SHARE. I MEAN, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY MORE WE CAN AND SHOULD BE DOING, UM, AS A COMMUNITY TO ADDRESS, UH, HOUSING, ALL TYPES OF HOUSING. UM, WE HAVE A ROBUST WORK PLAN AHEAD OF US, UM, OVER THE NEXT SIX YEARS. UM, AND I KNOW THAT, UH, PART OF THIS CONVERSATION AROUND HOW DO WE INCENTIVIZE AND CREATE THESE OPPORTUNITIES FOR HOUSING, UH, TO BE ACCOMPLISHED DOWNTOWN, UM, IS ONE OF THOSE SOLUTIONS. THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE. YEAH, I ALSO JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT, UM, THAT APPLIES INCLUDING IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, JUST NOT IF IT'S, UM, A PROPERTY THAT HAS A HISTORIC, A REGISTERED HISTORIC PROPERTY. CORRECT. COULD YOU, UNLESS, SO THE STATE, STATE DENSITY BONUS LAW, RIGHT? A HUNDRED PERCENT AFFORDABLE, UNLIMITED DENSITY, 78 FEET TALL WITH NO PARKING. RIGHT. THAT'S CURRENTLY ALLOWED RIGHT NOW. UM, AND IT'S ALLOWED IN, IN THE, THE OVERLAY PARCELS. RIGHT. SO ANY ONE OF THE PARCELS IN OUR OVERLAY DISTRICT RIGHT NOW COULD DO THAT, RIGHT? CORRECT. BECAUSE IT'S BASED UPON THE DISTANCE FROM THE, UM, DOWNTOWN SMART STATION, RIGHT? MM-HMM . OKAY. THANK YOU. IF I MAY, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, I WANTED TO ADD AS WELL THAT, UH, PROJECTS ARE NOT TO, UH, NEGATIVELY IMPACT ALREADY EXISTING ELIGIBLE AND EXISTING DESIGNATED HISTORIC RESOURCES. SO TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPMENT, UM, CONSIDERING PROJECTS THAT ARE VACANT LOTS, UH, BUT NOT WITH THE INTENTION TO REMOVE OR IMPACT NEGATIVELY IMPACT HISTORIC RESOURCES. SO JUST TO CLARIFY, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, THEN, UM, LET'S MOVE IT TO THE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. AND I'D LIKE OUR CLERK TO READ OUR MESSAGING FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. WE DID RECEIVE 86 PUBLIC COMMENTS, UH, BEFORE THE MEETING. THOSE ARE ALL POSTED TO THE WEBSITE. AND ANYTHING WE RECEIVED AFTER ABOUT FOUR 30 TODAY WILL BE POSTED, UH, TOMORROW MORNING. UH, SO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ATTENDING IN PERSON SHOULD BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE. SO, SPEAKERS ARE REMINDED TO BE RESPECTFUL IN THEIR COMMENTS, AND THAT THIS MEETING IS BEING TRANSLATED. PLEASE PAUSE BETWEEN SENTENCES FOR TRANSLATION. SO NOW'S THE MOMENT IF YOU HAVE CARDS. OKAY, LAST, LAST CALL FOR SPEAKER CARDS. OKAY. I GUESS EVERYONE'S WONDERING HOW MANY CARDS GOT TURNED DOWN. ANYWAY, 43 CARDS HAVE, HAVE, HAVE BEEN, UH, SUBMITTED. AND, UM, SO WE ALLOW UP TO THREE MINUTES, DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF CARDS. AND, UM, UH, WITH THAT, I'M GONNA SET THE TIMER TONIGHT AT TWO MINUTES PER, PER SPEAKER. BUT I STILL AM GONNA ASK THAT IF YOU HAVE A COMMENT THAT'S BEEN MADE BEFORE, EMPHATICALLY STATE YOUR AGREEMENT EMPHATICALLY, BUT THEN PLEASE, WITH BREVITY EMPHATICALLY MAKE THAT, UH, POINT. UM, AND, UH, LET'S SEE. ALSO, UM, UM, DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, DURING ALL OF A COUNCIL MEETING, WE DO TRY AND OBSERVE A LITTLE BIT OF [03:30:01] DECORUM, WHICH MEANS THAT, UH, WE DO NOT EXPRESS OUR SUPPORT OR DERISIVE COMMENTS OR ANYTHING VERY LOUDLY, YOU KNOW, UM, I THINK WE'LL UNDERSTAND WHERE EVERYBODY'S COMING FROM AND, AND THEY'RE STILL COMING IN . UM, SO, UM, IF WE COULD BE A LITTLE BIT POLITE TO ALL THE SPEAKERS AND IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT POLITE IN GENERAL IN THE ROOM, THAT WOULD BE MUCH APPRECIATED. AND WE START OUR SPEAKERS TONIGHT WITH ELISE HEMPHILL TO BE FOLLOWED BY TOM BERNHEIMER. GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. I'M HERE TONIGHT TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE DOWNTOWN OVERLAYS. AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, MY PASSION FOR PETALUMA AND THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE, WORK, AND PLAY HERE IS UNWAVERING CHANGE CAN CAUSE AND BRING ON ANXIETY, BUT WE MUST NOT LET FEAR AND MISINFORMATION HOLD US BACK FROM PROGRESS. WHILE I DON'T OFTEN SPEAK PUBLICLY ON THESE TOPICS, I FEEL IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMIND US ALL OF THE OVERLAY AND WHY IT MATTERS. THE OVERLAY DOES NOT GRANT AUTHORITY, UM, OF AN APPROVAL OF A NEW DEVELOPMENT FOR OUR BUILDINGS. INSTEAD, IT PROVIDES PROPERTY OWNERS AN OPPORTUNITY TO REIMAGINE WHAT IS THE POSSIBLE USE OF THEIR LAND. IT ALLOWS THEM TO RECOGNIZE THE TRUE VALUE AND CONSIDER THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THEIR PROPERTY. THIS COULD NOT, THIS COULD HELP TRANSFORM LONG DORMANT PROPERTIES INTO FUTURE RE TREASURES, ENHANCING THE UNIQUE CHARACTER OF OUR DOWNTOWN. I AM AWARE OF THE CONCERNS RAISED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL HOTEL, BUT WE MUST LOOK BEYOND THE FEAR OF CHANGE AND CONSIDER THE BROADER BENEFITS. ONE CRITICAL FACTOR IS THE REVENUE FROM TRANSIT, OCCUPANCY TAXES, OR TOT DOLLARS. PETALUMA TAXPAYERS HAVE ALREADY MADE OUR COMMUNITY ONE OF THE HIGHEST TAXED AREAS IN CALIFORNIA, LEAVING VERY LITTLE ROOM FOR ADDITIONAL TAX BURDEN. HOWEVER, TOT REVENUES FROM VISITORS STAYING IN A FUTURE HOTEL IS A RESOURCE WE CAN CONTROL. THESE VISITORS WILL SUPPORT OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES, OUR DOWNTOWN STORES, OUR RESTAURANTS. THEY'LL BRING MUCH NEEDED REVENUE TO SUSTAIN AND IMPROVE OUR BEAUTIFUL CITY. PLEASE DON'T LET FEAR PREVENT US FROM MAKING DECISIONS THAT WILL MOVE OUR COMMUNITY FORWARD. CHANGE CAN BE DIFFICULT, BUT IT ALSO IS HOW WE BUILT THIS TOWN IN THE FIRST PLACE. LET'S EMBRACE THIS OPPORTUNITY AND KEEP PETALUMA THRIVING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, TOM BERNHEIMER TO BE FOLLOWED BY DARREN KUEN. SO, I'VE SPOKEN A FEW TIMES HERE AND I'M KIND OF AMAZED. I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE I CAN'T COUNT, BUT THE PEOPLE WHO SPEAK AGAINST THE OVERLAY SEEM TO BE A LOT LARGER NUMBER THAN THE PEOPLE WHO ARE FOR IT. SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THOSE PEOPLE ARE WHO WERE FOR IT, BECAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF YOU'RE GONNA BE VOTING FOR IT. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THOSE PEOPLE ARE, BUT THEY'RE, THEY DON'T APPEAR, MANY OF THEM AREN'T IN THIS ROOM. SO I'M JUST CONFUSED BY THAT. UM, ALSO, A LOT OF THE MONEY THAT'S TALKING ABOUT THE FINANCE PART OF IT, I, I JUST DON'T SEE THE DOLLARS COMING IN. I REALLY DON'T. I MEAN, THE CITY HAS SPENT WHAT CLOSE TO, I KNOW WE KNOW OF 141,000 ALREADY, BUT WITH ALL THE STAFF TIME, YOU'VE GOTTA SPEND LIKE HALF A MILLION ON THIS. SO THERE'S YOUR, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR OCCUPANCY TAX MONEY, THE FIRST 500,000 THAT'S GONE ALREADY IS THE STAFF'S ALREADY SPENT THAT MONEY. I MEAN, IT, IT'S, I DON'T SEE THIS QUESTIONS TONIGHT ABOUT WHERE ARE THESE PROJECTS? THERE ARE NO PROJECTS. YOU HAD PEOPLE HERE, THERE'S ONE PROJECT, THE HOTEL, THAT'S IT. THERE'S NO OTHER PROJECTS. SO YOU, YOU SPEND ALL THIS EFFORT, ALL THIS TIME, ALL THIS ANGST WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, AND YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING REALLY THERE. SO I JUST DON'T SEE IT. I DON'T SEE IT. AND AM I AGAINST HOUSING DOWNTOWN? NO, I'M NOT. AM I AGAINST SIX, SEVEN STORY BUILDINGS DOWNTOWN? YES. AM I AGAINST A HOTEL DOWNTOWN? NO. A SIX SEVEN STORY HOTEL. YES. I THINK THAT'S SORT OF THE SENTIMENT THAT I'M GETTING FROM PEOPLE I'M TALKING TO AND SO FORTH IN THE CITY. AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE SAID, STOP, YOU KNOW, HIT THE BRAKES. THINK ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE. THAT'S NOT HAPPENING. YOU GUYS ARE GOING FULL BORE. SO I DON'T KNOW. I GUESS WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS, BUT THAT'S WHAT ELECTIONS ARE FOR, RIGHT? THANK YOU. THANK YOU DARREN KUZEN, AND, UM, AND I BELIEVE YOU'RE GETTING SEATED TIME OVER. SO, UH, DARREN'S TIME WILL BE TWO RUNS THROUGH THE TWO MINUTES, AND THE FOLLOWING SPEAKER WILL BE, UH, SONYA CARABELL. THANK YOU, MAYOR COUNCIL, CITY STAFF. UM, IN PREPARING TONIGHT, I CAME TO TALK ABOUT THE FEIR, [03:35:01] HOW I FEEL LIKE THERE ARE STILL INADEQUACIES AND ELEMENTS OPEN TO CHALLENGE, FEEL LIKE DEFICIENCIES THAT CARRIED THROUGH FROM THE DRAFT, INCLUDING THE DEFERRED MITIGATION THAT IS, UH, CUL ONE E, WHICH KICKS THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD ON MITIGATING IMPACTS TO AESTHETIC AND CULTURAL RESOURCES TO FUTURE DISCRETIONARY REVIEW. I THINK THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT CONSISTENCY WITH OUR GENERAL PLAN. IF YOU READ GENERAL PLAN 2025 IN ELEMENTS ONE AND TWO, THAT'S LAND USE AND COMMUNITY CHARACTER. THERE ARE VERY STRICT GUIDELINES ON BUILDING MASSING SIZE OF DEVELOPMENT, FAR RATIOS IN PARTICULAR, I DID NOT FIND THE RESPONSES TO THOSE COMMENTS TO BE SUFFICIENT IN THE FEIR. I THINK THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES THAT WERE RAISED, INCLUDING PARKING SECONDARY IMPACTS FROM LACK OF PARKING, IS WHAT I MEAN. G-H-G-V-M-T PUBLIC HEALTH IMPACTS FROM EX UH, INCREASED EMISSIONS. SOME OF THESE ARE COMING FROM SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS, AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE THEIR COMMENTS WERE SUBSTANTIVELY REVIEWED, BUT, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT ANALYSIS OF THE FEIR REALIZED THAT'S WHAT DOCUMENTS ARE FOR. SO I DETAILED THAT IN THE 15 PAGES I SUBMITTED BEFORE THIS MEETING, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU RECIRCULATE THE EIR AND ALLOW FOR ADEQUATE TIME FOR THE PUBLIC AND YOURSELVES TO READ AND UNDERSTAND THIS DOCUMENT AND MAKE A RESPONSIBLE DECISION AS THE LEAD AGENCY ON THIS REPORT. BUT TONIGHT, I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT MORE WHAT IS MAKING ME UPSET ABOUT THIS PROJECT AS IT STANDS TODAY, AND THE PROCESS TO GET HERE. I'VE WATCHED IT SINCE THE JUNE, 2023 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING WHERE THIS FIRST SURFACED. AT TIMES, THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, I HAVE FELT LIKE THERE HAS BEEN VALUE PLACED ON EXPEDIENCY OVER INTEGRITY. THIS FEIR IS A GOOD EXAMPLE. WE RECEIVED A 1500 PAGE DOCUMENT ON FEBRUARY 14TH. THAT IS A HUGE ASK FOR COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO READ IT, DIGEST IT, AND MAKE SUBSTANTIVE COMMENTS AND FEEDBACK ON THE FINDINGS AND ADEQUACY OF RESPONSES IN THAT FDIR THINK. IT'S ALSO A HUGE ASK FOR COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO BE CONFIDENT AND TRUST THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE FULLY UNDERSTANDING OF THE DOCUMENT AND CAN DECIDE IN THIS LEGAL PROCEEDING WHETHER THE DOCUMENT IS ADEQUATE, THAT KIND OF TRUNCATED TIMELINE FOR AN ESSENTIAL DOCUMENT REVIEW BEFORE A HEARING. ALSO SKIPPING A STANDARD DISCRETIONARY REVIEW, WHICH IS PLANNING COMMISSION, SEEING THE FEIR THAT HAPPENS IN MUCH LOWER STAKES PROJECTS, MAKES IT FEEL LIKE WE ARE STRATEGIZING TO LIMIT EFFECTIVE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT RATHER THAN EMBRACING IT. I AM NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. I ALSO WANNA CALL OUT WHAT IS A SHIFTING NARRATIVE ABOUT THE PROJECT AND WHAT I SEE AS AN INACCURATE FRAMING OF WHAT IT WILL DO. SO BACK IN 2023 IN JUNE, IT WAS CALLED THE BUILDING FORM OVERLAY. IT THEN MORPHED INTO THE DOWNTOWN HOUSING AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY OVERLAY, AND WE STARTED HEARING ABOUT HUGE BENEFITS TO PETALUMA. WE STARTED HEARING ABOUT CIVIC FINANCE, THE WOES OF DOWNTOWN. BUT LET ME BE CLEAR, AS THE OVERLAY IS WRITTEN TODAY, THIS DOES NOT DO ANYTHING IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, TO FURTHER HOUSING OR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT GOALS OUTSIDE OF THE HOTEL. THE OVERLAY RIGHT NOW WILL LAST FOR TWO YEARS. THAT'S UNTIL IT SUNSETS WITH THE GENERAL PLAN. AT THAT TIME, IT DOES NOT OFFER MEANINGFUL BENEFIT OUTSIDE OF THE HOTEL. AND WHAT DO I MEAN? ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE? OUR CITY ANALYSIS IN THE FEIR PREDICTS A 38,000 SQUARE FOOT NON RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THOSE TWO YEARS. SO IN THOSE TWO YEARS COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, WE SAY 38,000 SQUARE FEET. THE HOTEL IS 77,000 SQUARE FEET. SO OUTSIDE OF THE HOTEL, THERE WILL BE NO COMMERCIAL BUILDING. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE RES, OR WE DON'T PREDICT IT. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE RESIDENTIAL DENSITY ISSUE. THIS DOES NOT SUBSTANTIVELY CHANGE THE ECONOMICS FOR DOWNTOWN HOUSING. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT GROUND FLOOR RESIDENTIAL THAT'S SEVERELY LIMITED BY FACADE ACTIVATION STANDARDS AND NEW HISTORICAL REVIEWS THAT DID NOT EXIST PREVIOUSLY, PREVIOUSLY, THAT LIMIT THE POTENTIAL. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. SO, UM, SONYA, UH, CARRABELLE TO BE FOLLOWED BY, UM, MARTY BA BENNETT. GOOD NIGHT, PETALUMA CITY COUNCIL. I'M SONYA CARRABELLE, AND I'M WITH UNITE HERE. LOCAL TWO, WE'RE THE HOTEL AND HOSPITALITY WORKERS UNION IN THE BAY AREA, AND WE REPRESENT OVER A THOUSAND HOTEL WORKERS IN SONOMA COUNTY, INCLUDING THE WORKERS AT THE LARGEST HOTEL IN PETALUMA, THE PETALUMA SHERATON. AS THE HOTEL WORKERS UNION, WE BELIEVE THAT HOSPITALITY CAN BE A KEY PART OF A SUSTAINABLE ECONOMY, BUT THE STATUS QUO IS NOT WORKING. MANY HOTELS CATER TO THE ULTRA WEALTHY WHILE THEIR EMPLOYEES MAKE MINIMUM WAGE OR JUST ABOVE IT. AND CURRENTLY, WE HAVE NO REASON TO BELIEVE THE PROPOSED APPALACHIAN HOTEL WILL BE ANYTHING OTHER THAN STATUS QUO. OUR MEMBERS KNOW FIRSTHAND HOW HARD IT IS TO AFFORD TO LIVE IN PETALUMA AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS. THEY FIGHT FOR FAIR CONTRACTS WITH WAGE INCREASES, BUT THESE [03:40:01] RAISES THAT WORK GET EATEN UP BY RISING RENT FOR NON-UNION WORKERS. THE SITUATION IS EVEN WORSE. A PETALUMA MINIMUM WAGE FULL-TIME WORKER EARNS ROUGHLY $3,200 A MONTH. AVERAGE RENT IN PETALUMA IS $2,900 A MONTH. THIS IS THE REALITY FOR WORKERS IN THE SERVICE INDUSTRY. PETALUMA HAS A SERIOUS JOBS HOUSING IMBALANCE. THE JOBS THAT ARE HERE LARGELY DO NOT PAY ENOUGH TO LIVE HERE. THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, I HAVE COME TO CITY COUNCIL SEVERAL TIMES TO SUPPORT, UH, TO SUPPORT MORE DENSITY FOR HOUSING, BUT OPPOSE INCLUDING HOTELS. BUT TODAY, WE ARE PROPOSING A SPECIFIC AMENDMENT. IT WOULD ADD A NEW ITEM TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUIREMENTS, SPECIFICALLY FOR HOTELS TO REQUIRE AN ANALYSIS OF THE IMPACT OF THE HOTEL OR ANY HOTEL ON JOBS HOUSING BALANCE IN PETALUMA, INCLUDING HOW MUCH DEMAND IT WOULD CREATE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. ALL OF THIS NEW TOT REVENUE. THAT'S NOT MEANINGFUL IF YOU'RE CREATING EVEN MORE DEMAND IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING. UM, AND IT WOULD REQUIRE THE HOTEL DEVELOPER TO SUBMIT DATA LIKE NUMBER OF JOBS CREATED, HOW MANY FULL-TIME VERSUS PART-TIME WAGES AND BENEFITS. THAT WAY THE COUNCIL COULD APPROVE THE OVERLAY WHILE MAKING SURE PETALUMA HAS A CHANCE TO TRULY LOOK AT THE HOTEL AS A SEPARATE DECISION, AND CONSIDER THE IMPACTS OF LOW WAGE JOBS ON PETALUMA, PLEASE AMEND THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO REQUIRE JOBS, HOUSING, S FOR THE HOTEL. AS YOU MAKE THIS DECISION, PLEASE MARTY BENNETT TO BE FOLLOWED BY ERICA. GOOD EVENING. MARTY BENNETT WITH UNITE HERE, LOCAL TWO. IN 2006, THE PETALUMA SHERIDAN BECAME THE FIRST UNION HOTEL IN THE COUNTY WHEN WORKERS VOTED TO JOIN OUR UNION. OUR MOVEMENT HAS GROWN SUBSTANTIALLY. WE NOW REPRESENT OVER A THOUSAND HOTEL WORKERS AT FIVE OF THE LARGEST HOTELS IN THE COUNTY. WE HAVE MADE MUCH PROGRESS TOWARDS RAISING LABOR STANDARDS IN THE HOTEL INDUSTRY. NONETHELESS, MOST HOTELS ARE STILL LOW ROAD EMPLOYERS WHO PAY NEAR MINIMUM WAGE, OFFER IMPOSSIBLY EXPENSIVE HEALTHCARE AND IMPOSE HEAVY AND OFTEN UNSAFE WORKLOADS ON WORKERS. IN 2009, THE CITY COUNCIL MANDATED A FISCAL AND ECONOMIC IMPACT ASSESSMENT TO EVALUATE THE IMPACTS OF PROPOSED LARGE COMMERCIAL PROJECTS, PARTICULARLY WAGES AND BENE EMPLOYEE BENEFITS IN THE NEW DEVELOPMENT. UNFORTUNATELY, LARGE HOTELS WERE LATER EXEMPTED FROM THE FDIA, GIVEN THE LONG-TERM TREND OF RISING RENTS AND STAGNANT OR FALLING WAGES IN HOSPITALITY. SUCH INFORMATION IS ESSENTIAL TO DETERMINE WHETHER WORKERS CAN AFFORD PETALUMA HOUSING. PETALUMA AND SONOMA COUNTY AS A WHOLE RELY ON HOSPITALITY AS A MAJOR PILLAR OF THE ECONOMY, 13% OF THE NON-FARM EMPLOYMENT, YET THEY DON'T PROVIDE SUBSTANTIAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR WORKERS TO LIVE NEARBY. 70% OF LOW INCOME CITY RENTERS ARE RENT BURDEN AND PAY MORE THAN 30% OF THEIR INCOME FOR RENT. HENCE, MANY NON-UNION HOTEL WORKERS EARNING POVERTY WAGES MUST COMMUTE TO MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING MARKETS OUTSIDE THE COUNTY. PLEASE AMEND THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO REQUIRE A JOBS HOUSING ANALYSIS FOR THE HOTEL UNITE HERE. LOCAL TWO IS NOT OPPOSED TO MORE DENSITY IN DOWNTOWN PETALUMA, BUT WE WANT TO ENSURE THE COUNCIL CAREFULLY WEIGHS THE HOTEL PROJECT AS PART OF THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, ERICA, TO BE FOLLOWED BY, UM, UH, TISHA. UH, CARIS. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ERICA AND I'M, I WORK AT THE AC HOTEL IN SANTA ROSA. AS A CHEF, I'M PROUD OF A MEMBER OF THE UNITE, UH, LOCAL TOOL. UH, ALSO, UM, I'M PROUD TO BE A UNION MEMBER BECAUSE WE FIGHT FOR FAIRNESS AT WORK. WHEN I WAS LAID OFF DURING THE PANDEMIC, A MANAGER TRYING TO REPLACE ME WITH A FAMILY MEMBER, BUT THE UNION FOUGHT FOR ME, AND I GOT MY JOB BACK. UM, VERY, UH, IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE TO LIVE IN SONOMA COUNTY AS A SINGLE MOM TO THREE KIDS. IT'S REALLY HARD FOR ME. AND BEFORE I WORK AT THE CI HAVE TO WORK TWO JOBS. UH, IT, IT WILL BE, IT, IT WILL WORK VERY HARD, COME HOME TO GET MY KIDS READY FOR SCHOOL, THEN CLEAN HOUSES, THEN EAT DINNER WITH MY KIDS AND GO TO WORK MY GRAVEYARD SHIFT AGAIN. I WILL ONLY SLEEP COUPLE HOURS EVERY DAY. EVEN NOW I SPEND MORE THAN HALF OF MY CHECK ON RENT. AND TOP OF THAT, I HAVE TO PAY PG [03:45:01] E CELL PHONE, FOOD, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. WHEN YOU LET A DEVELOPER BUILD A NEW HOTEL HERE IN PETALUMA, YOU SHOULD MAKE SURE YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE KINDS OF JOBS THAT IT WILL OFFER AND HOW THAT WILL IMPACT THE HOUSING CRISIS. HERE. HOUSING PRICES ARE ONLY HALF THE PROBLEM. LOW WAGES ARE THE OTHER HALF OF MY PEOPLE. WHITE PEOPLE CAN AFFORD RENT. PLEASE REQUIRE A JOB HOUSING ANALYSIS FOR THE HOTELS. AS YOU MAKE THIS DECISION, PLEASE THINK OF THE HOTEL WORKERS LIKE ME AND ALL WORKING PEOPLE WHO ARE STRUGGLING WITH HOUSING COST IN SONOMA COUNTY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GISHA KI TO BE FOLLOWED BY ILEANA MADRIGAL, UH, HOOPER. MY NAME IS TEE CARAS AND I WORK AT THE FAIRMONT SONOMA MISSION IN BOYS HOT SPRINGS. I'M A MASSAGE THERAPIST, AND I'VE BEEN AN EMPLOYEE FOR 25 YEARS AT THE SPA. I'M A PROUD MEMBER OF UNITE HERE, LOCAL TWO. AND WE JUST WON OUR FIRST CONTRACT THIS YEAR. IT WAS A HARD FIGHT, BUT IN OUR NEW CONTRACT, WE WON BIG WITH RAISES, PENSIONS FREE HEALTHCARE FOR EMPLOYEES AND THEIR FAMILIES WITH MANY OTHER BENEFITS. ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS FOR OUR FIGHT WAS THE COST OF HOUSING IN SONOMA COUNTY. I LIVE IN ALVARADO, NEAR, NEAR MY JOB, AND I LOVE IT HERE. HOWEVER, THE RENTS HAVE GOTTEN SO OUT OF CONTROL IN THIS AREA. I'M FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO OWN MY OWN HOME, OTHERWISE, I'M NOT SURE THAT I WOULD EVER BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO LIVE HERE. I SEE MY COLLEAGUES STRUGGLE COMMUTING FROM FAR AWAY. MANY OF MY COWORKERS WERE PUSHED OUT TO RELOCATE TO SURROUNDING AREAS LIKE VALLEJO, S ROSA, AND FAIRFIELD FOR LESS EXPENSIVE HOUSING. THESE EMPLOYEES CAN NO LONGER PARTICIPATE IN LOCAL COMMUNITY OF SONOMA VALLEY AS MUCH AS THEY USED TO. IF THE APPALACHIA HOTEL IS ANYTHING LIKE SONOMA MISSION INN EMPLOYEES WILL NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD RENT IN PETALUMA AND AROUND THE WHOLE COUNTRY. JUST AS WE WERE BEFORE OUR CONTRACT, WE URGE YOU TO LOOK AT THIS PROPOSAL VERY CAREFULLY, AS IT IS IMPORTANT RIGHT NOW. PLEASE AMEND THE OVERLAY TO REQUIRE A JOBS HOUSING ANALYSIS FOR THE HOTEL. AS YOU MAKE THIS DECISION, THINK OF THE HOTEL WORKERS LIKE MYSELF AND ALL THE OTHER WORKING PEOPLE WHO ARE STRUGGLING WITH HOUSING AND COSTS OF LIVING IN SONOMA COUNTY. THANK YOU. AND CONGRATULATIONS, PETALUMA, YOU BLUE ZONE. IT'S ALL ABOUT COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. UM, ILEANA MADRIGAL HOOPER TO BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, DAVIN LARNE, UH, BUCHE. MY NAME IS ILIANA MADRIGAL. I LIVE IN PETALUMA. I WORK WITH NOR BAY LABOR COUNCIL, F-L-C-I-O. PETALUMA HAS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING CRISIS, WHICH IS ALSO A GOOD JOBS CRISIS. FAR TOO MANY OF THE JOBS PAID TOO LITTLE TO AFFORD TO LIVE HERE. WE HAVE LOTS OF LOW WAGES, HOSPITALITY AND TOURISM JOBS THAT DO NOT PAY THE RENT. WE SUPPORT MORE DENSITY IN DOWNTOWN, BUT THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THE HOTEL TO SEE IF IT IS GOING TO MAKE OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND GOOD JOBS CRISIS EVEN WORSE. PLEASE AMEND THE SONY ORDINANCE TO REQUIRE A JOBS HOUSING ANALYSIS FOR THE HOTEL. JUST ECHOING MY LABOR. UM, SIBLINGS, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, DAVID. UH, UM, HARKNESS NESS, UH, JULIA BURTON. DAVIN. DAVIN IS DAVIN IN THE HOUSE. SHE HAS TO GO HOME. THANK YOU. UM, THEN WE HAVE JULIA BURTON TO BE FOLLOWED BY NANCY, UH, OLIS. HI. UM, PETALUMA IS A QUAINT BEAUTIFUL CITY. PEOPLE COME HERE TO SEE THE GREAT TOWN BUILDINGS, SHOPS IN THE NICE NEIGHBORHOODS. I REALLY DON'T THINK REGULAR IN QUOTATIONS. NOT RICH PEOPLE WILL CARE MUCH FOR THIS INTENDED HOTEL. IT IS AN OVERREACH. PLEASE DON'T LEAVE. PLEASE DON'T LET THE LOVE OF MONEY RULE THIS TOPIC. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NANCY OLI SHOULD BE FOLLOWED BY KIM SCOTT, THANK YOU FOR, UH, LETTING US HAVE A PUBLIC VOICE HERE. BUT I HAVE TO SAY, I WAS QUITE SHOCKED, UH, [03:50:01] AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS MEETING WHEN SOMEBODY WHO CAME UP TO TALK ABOUT THE FAIRGROUNDS WAS ATTACKED AND, UH, YELLED AT AND TOLD THAT THEY WERE BEING HYPERBOLIC. AND I KNOW THAT YOU TOLD US TO BEHAVE. SO I WOULD JUST ASK YOU TO KEEP YOUR VOICES DOWN AND BE RESPECTFUL TO US SO THAT WE DON'T FEAR COMING UP HERE AND GIVING OUR OPINION. AND I WASTED 30 SECONDS. ALRIGHT? I THINK EVERYTHING'S BEEN SAID ABOUT THE WAY THE PUBLIC FEELS ABOUT THIS. THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO, WHO WANT IT. UM, COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, THE MEETING I WAS ABLE TO GO LAST SAID, PEOPLE TELL ME, BUT THEY DIDN'T SAY WHAT PEOPLE, I JUST SEE THE PEOPLE THAT COME IN HERE WITH CONCERNS. WHEN I'M NOT AGAINST GROWTH, I'M NOT AGAINST HOUSING. I'M NOT AGAINST PUTTING, UH, BUILDINGS IN THE PLACES IN, IN DOWNTOWN THAT NEED TO BE FIXED UP. I'M AGAINST RUINING OUR DISTRICT, OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND IT'S A DISTRICT. IT'S NOT INDIVIDUAL BUILDINGS. AND THAT'S WHY REX IS STILL HISTORIC, BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THE DISTRICT. BUT EVEN THE E THE ENVIRONMENTAL THING, O ONLY USE THAT WORD A COUPLE TIMES. DISTRICT, THEY ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT BUILDINGS, RESOURCES. THEY'RE NOT INDIVIDUAL. AND EVEN THE HISTORIC GUY WHO CAME, UM, WHO WAS AT ONE OF THE MEETINGS LAST YEAR VOTED AGAINST IT SAYING IT RUINS THE DISTRICT AND THE HOTEL ITSELF. I, I MEAN, YOU DON'T NEED TO BE, I DON'T KNOW. THIS WHOLE THING SEEMS TO BE JUST A WAY TO GET SIX STORY BUILDINGS IN DOWNTOWN PETALUMA. AND, AND YOU DON'T SEE A BUILDING FROM ONE SIDE OR JUST, BUT ONE STREET THAT'S NEVER SEE IT ANYWHERE. IT DISAPPEARS UNLESS YOU'RE RIGHT IN THAT SPOT WITH A SETBACK. I JUST WANT YOU TO, AND I FEEL LIKE YOU GUYS HAVE ALREADY MADE UP YOUR MIND. YOU REALLY DON'T CARE ABOUT WHAT WE THINK. THANK YOU KIM SCOTT, TO BE FOLLOWED BY JIM V HAND. HI. I AM BACK WITH THE MASTODON IN THE ROOM. UM, IN, IN LIGHT OF THIS PROJECT, WHICH IS SORT OF HOW THE IDEA STARTED, UH, THE MASTODON BEING WHAT I WILL GO AHEAD AND CALL A COUP, UH, IN OUR COUNTRY AND HOW, UH, IT IS AFFECTING NORMAL HUMAN BEINGS. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT A LITTLE MORE. AND I WILL JUST FINISH WITH MY PARAGRAPH. UM, WHICH ASKS YOU TO, AT THIS TIME OF UNBELIEVABLE INSECURITY FOR, UH, ANYBODY IN THE COUNTRY, UH, TO BRING US TOGETHER. THIS PARTICULAR, UH, ISSUE, UM, THAT HAS DIVIDED THIS TOWN, UM, IS JUST GONNA BE EXACERBATED. BUT THAT'S NOT EVEN WHAT I WANTED TO SAY. WHAT I WANTED TO SAY IS WILLED. YOU GUYS CONSIDER, UM, PREPARING FOR WHAT COULD BE AN EMERGENCY TOMORROW OR THE NEXT DAY IN TERMS OF PEOPLE'S VERY BASIC NEEDS. AND COMMIT TO TAKE CARE OF WHAT'S ALREADY ON THE TABLE, WHAT MUST BE DONE, BUT PREPARE FOR WHAT WE CAN'T POSSIBLY KNOW WILL HAPPEN TO PETALUMA AND PETALUMA IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS. AND IF I HAVE A COUPLE MORE SECONDS, I WANNA SAY THAT I WASN'T HERE IN THE BEGINNING OF THIS WHOLE THING, BUT I FEEL HEARTSICK LISTENING TONIGHT TO HOW THAT, UM, HOTEL SEEMS TO HAVE DRAWN, UM, SO MANY PEOPLE WHO HAD GOOD INTENTIONS, SO MUCH MONEY, SO MUCH TIME, AND THEN ALL THE PEOPLE WHO'VE SPENT ALL THE TIME WITHOUT THE RESOURCES TO TRY TO, TO TRY TO EXPLAIN WHY IT'S WRONG. OR AT LEAST THAT'S THE WAY I FEEL. I FEEL LIKE IT'S WRONG, AND THAT HOUSING AND JOBS ARE THE ISSUES THAT REALLY, YOU KNOW, MAYBE TAKES ALL WHAT YOU'VE LEARNED AND APPLY IT TO THAT, BUT NOT THAT ODELL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU JIM VAUGHN TO BE FOLLOWED BY JAMES BURROW BURTON. BURTON. BURTON. WE, THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF WHO IS JAMES? I'M JIM BOND. THANK YOU, GOD. MORALE. COME BACK IN A MINUTE. . OKAY. THANK YOU. I'M OPPOSED TO THE HOTEL AS PROPOSED AND THE OVERLAY, WHICH ENABLES IT. IT'S HARD TO SEPARATE THE HOTEL AND THE OVERLAY. IN FACT, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS AS YOU WENT THROUGH THE OVERLAY THAT SEEMED APPEALING TO ME. [03:55:01] BUT SPECIFICALLY, I POSE THE INCREASED HEIGHT AND THE FAR IN THE DOWNTOWN HISTORICAL DISTRICT AS A RESIDENT FOR 35 YEARS. I LOVE OUR HISTORICAL DOWNTOWN. I BRING ANY, ANYTIME I HAVE A VISITOR, I BRING THEM TO THE DOWNTOWN. UH, WE APPRECIATE THE LOWER LEVEL BUILDINGS, THE WONDERFUL ARCHITECTURE, THE WALKABILITY OF THE DOWNTOWN. IT'S ON A SCALE THAT'S WELCOMING TO PEDESTRIANS, NOT TO MENTION ALL THE WONDER WONDERFUL STORES AND RESTAURANTS. UM, WE SHOULD DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO ENCOURAGE A VIBRANT HISTORICAL DOWNTOWN. HOWEVER, THIS HOTEL PROJECT IS TOO HIGH, TOO LARGE FOR ITS SPACE, JUST OUT OF SCALE COMPARED TO THE HISTORICAL BUILDINGS. I, THERE'S A PHRASE EARLIER TONIGHT IN THE, IN THE PRESENTATION SAID, PEDESTRIAN SCALE. I JUST DON'T BELIEVE THIS IS PEDESTRIAN SCALE, THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. SO I'M CONVINCED THAT SUCH A PROJECT WILL, UH, ACTUALLY DAMAGE THE ATTRACTION OF DOWNTOWN AND TAKE AWAY FROM THE VISITORS THAT ENJOY COMING. UM, I SEE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT DO WORK. I, I THOUGHT THE THEATERS THEATER SQUARE WORKED OUT REALLY WELL. UH, THE REPURPOSING OF THE, OF THE, UH, SIL FACTORY WAS, WAS A WONDERFUL IDEA. UH, THAT'S THE KIND OF DEVELOPMENT WE SHOULD SUPPORT. BUT, UH, I THINK WE SHOULD STAY AWAY FROM THE HISTORICAL DOWNTOWN THAT WE'VE ALL GROWN UP WITH AND WE, THAT ATTRACTS PEOPLE TO THE AREA. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. JIM BURTON TO BE FOLLOWED BY PATTY NORMAN. SORRY, GOT A LITTLE OVER HERE. UM, THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF TALK, UH, TODAY ABOUT THE HOTEL WORDS OF DISAPPROVAL, WHICH I, UH, SHARE. UM, THIS PROJECT SEEMS NOT FEASIBLE FOR THE, UM, UH, REAL ESTATE OR PROPERTY THAT, UM, HAS BEEN ACQUIRED FOR IT. I BELIEVE THAT IF THE CONCERN IS, UM, UH, REVITALIZING, REVITALIZING OUR TOWN'S ECONOMY, IT SHOULD BE THROUGH MORE DIRECT EFFORTS TOWARDS ENSURING THAT ALREADY EXISTING PROPERTIES, UM, MANY OF WHICH HAVE GONE, UM, UNATTENDED FOR YEARS. UM, EXAMPLES BEING LIKE THE, UH, WALMART BURGER, UM, DOWN BY THE, UH, SIMILARLY NAMED PARK, OR THE FORMER KMART DOWN, UH, BY SOUTH PLAZA. UM, THESE HAVE JUST SIMPLY BEEN VACANT, AND I BELIEVE, UM, WE SHOULD CONCENTRATE OUR EFFORTS TOWARDS ENSURING THAT, UM, THEY GO TOWARDS BUSINESSES THAT WILL, UM, PROVIDE, UM, EMPLOYMENT TOWARDS THE TOWN'S CITIZENS. UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, PATTY NORMAN TO BE FOLLOWED BY DAVID ALLEN. BOYD. GOOD EVENING. UM, I'M PATTY NORMAN AND I HAVE WORKED AT COPPERFIELDS FOR 22 YEARS. I TALK FIRSTHAND TO THE TOURISTS, TO THE RESIDENTS, TO THE LOCALS. AND WHAT EVERYONE LOVES ABOUT THIS TOWN IS THE MIX OF WORKING TOURIST GIFT, THE WHOLE GAMUT OF DOWNTOWN. AND YEARS AGO, ONE OF MY FIRST JOBS I WORKED, I MANAGED A RECORD STORE IN WALNUT CREEK WHEN WALNUT CREEK WAS REALLY SIMILAR TO PETALUMA, SMALL STREETS, INTERESTING SHOPS, LOTS OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE WHO BOTH WORKED AND LIVED THERE. AND THEN AT SOME POINT IN THE LATE EIGHTIES, THEY CHANGED THEIR DOWNTOWN PLAN AND THEY ALLOWED HIGH RISES. AND NOW YOU CAN EVEN FIND WHERE I USED TO WORK ON NORTH MAIN STREET. IT'S ALL TALL BUILDINGS AND NORDSTROM'S, AND PEOPLE GO THERE TO SHOP, BUT THEY DON'T GO THERE TO APPRECIATE THE QUALITY OF THE TOWN. WE HAVE A CHARM AND A QUIRKINESS, AND I KNOW COUNTLESS PEOPLE COME HERE TO VISIT AND THEN WANT TO MOVE HERE. IT'S A CONSTANT CONVERSATION IN COPPER FIELDS. AND I FEEL LIKE YOU'RE RUNNING ROUGH SHOT TO GET THIS OVERLAY APPROVED SO YOU CAN GET THIS HOTEL AND GET A ROOFTOP BAR. THAT'S HOW IT FEELS. AND HONESTLY, I WAS IN HEALDSBURG WHERE THEY NOW HAVE A, A ROOFTOP BAR. AND I WENT WITH FRIENDS AFTER A CONCERT AND WE WENT IN AND THEY SAID, OH YEAH, WE'VE GOT SEATING ON THE ROOF JUST A MINUTE. AND THEN THEY CAME BACK AND THEY SAID, THE HOSTESS SAID, I'M SO SORRY, WE, WE DON'T HAVE SEATING. AND SO WE SNUCK UP ON THE ROOF ANYWAY. AND OF COURSE THEY DID HAVE SEATING, AND AS WE LEFT, THE ORIGINAL HOSTESS CHASED US DOWN AND SAID, I'M SORRY, YOU'RE JUST NOT THE KIND OF CUSTOMER WE'RE LOOKING FOR . WE'RE TOO OLD. AND THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO OUR TOWN IF WE START CATERING TO PEOPLE WHO ARE SIMPLY SEEKING TOURIST DOLLARS. [04:00:01] I WANT A TOWN WHERE I'M WELCOME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, DAVID ELLEN BOYD, UM, TO BE FOLLOWED BY SANDRA VER. AND, UH, AND SANDRA IS SEATING TIME TO, TO YOU. IS THIS CORRECT? DO YOU NEED YES, UH, EX EXTRA TIME. AND, UH, OKAY. AND AL ALSO LYNN VAN HOOTEN AS SEATED TIME. YOU INTEND TO SPEAK FOR SIX MINUTES. UM, THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. BEFORE I START, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE TWO CITIZENS WHO HAVE SEEDED THEIR TIME TO ME TO SPEAK. MY NAME IS DAVID ALLEN BOYD. I'M A 20 YEAR RESIDENT OF PETALUMA AND THE SURROUNDING AREA. I CURRENTLY LIVE JUST WEST OF TOWN. PROFESSIONALLY. I'M AN ARCHITECT, A PHOTOGRAPHER, AND I SPENT OVER A DECADE SUPPORTING AND DEVELOPING VISUALIZATION SOFTWARE. I'M A VISUALIZATION EXPERT. I'M HERE BECAUSE AS I HAVE WATCHED THE EKN HOTEL PROJECT AND ASSOCIATED PLANNING UNFOLD, I'VE REALIZED THAT THE DISCUSSION IS LACKING IN GOOD ANALYTICAL 3D IMAGING. GOOD ANALYTICAL 3D VISUALIZATION. AND THERE IS AN OVER-RELIANCE ON DEVELOPER BIASED MARKETING IMAGES TO ILLUSTRATE THE VISUAL IMPACT. ZONING ORDINANCES ARE ABSTRACT IN THEIR PRESCRIPTION OF ARCHITECTURAL FORM AND ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS AND RENDERINGS CAN BE DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND SPATIALLY AND THEY CAN BE MISLEADING. MOST PEOPLE DO NOT VISUALIZE SPACE AND FORM WELL IN THE ABSTRACT WITHOUT SOME TRAINING. BUT GOOD, ACCURATE PICTURES OR SERIES OF PICTURES TELL A THOUSAND WORDS. AND CONVERSELY, THE LACK OF A GOOD PICTURE OBFUSCATES THE TRUTH. I'M HERE BECAUSE I HAVE THE SKILLS TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF THE CONVERSATION, AND I HAVE VOLUNTEERED MY PROFESSIONAL SERVICES PRO BONO TO THE PETALUMA HISTORIC ADVOCATES. AND ALONG WITH RETIRED ARCHITECT LYDIA ASLAN, WE GENERATED OUR OWN STUDY OF THE VISUAL IMPACTS OF THE HOTEL MASS USING THE DEVELOPER'S ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS. AND WE MODELED THE IMPACTS OF THE MAXIMAL ALLOWABLE BUILDING SIZES IN THE OVERLAY ORDINANCE. MOST OF YOU HAVE PROBABLY SEEN THESE STUDIES POSTED ON SOCIAL MEDIA. THESE STUDIES WERE SUBSEQUENTLY RUDELY AND PUBLICLY ATTACKED BY ONE COUNCIL MEMBER. THEY WERE WRONGLY DISPARAGED. THEY WRONGLY DISPARAGED THE ACCURACY OF THE WORK AND WERE VERBALLY ABUSIVE TOWARDS THE CITIZENS. ORGANIZED AS PETALUMA HISTORIC ADVOCATES, MANY OF WHOM ARE THEMSELVES HIGHLY EXPERIENCED AND HAVE CONTRIBUTED GENEROUSLY TO THE PUBLIC SPHERE. THESE COMMENTS WERE INSULTING, DISRESPECTFUL, AND MISTAKEN OF THE FACTS. MY PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE, MY EXPOSURE TO THE PLANNING PROCESS INVOLVED IN THE OVERLAY ORDINANCE BEING CONSIDERED, AND THIS UNFORTUNATE ENCOUNTER WITH A COUNCIL MEMBER HAVE LED ME TO THREE DEEP CONCERNS. FIRST, I'M CONCERNED THAT THE COUNCIL IN GENERAL DOES NOT FULLY UNDERSTAND THE POTENTIAL IMPACT OF THEIR VOTE ON THE FUTURE OF THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT IN PETALUMA HISTORICS CORE BECAUSE YOU, THE COUNCIL, HAVE NOT BEEN GIVEN THE TOOLS TO VISUALIZE THE IMPACT OF YOUR DECISIONS. TWO, I'M CONCERNED THAT THE COUNCIL MAY NOT RESPECT OR CARE ABOUT THE OPINIONS OR CIVIC CONTRIBUTIONS OF ITS CITIZENS, MANY OF WHOM HAVE RELEVANT EXPERTISE, INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE, AND WHO HAVE GIVEN A GREAT DEAL TO THE COMMUNITY THROUGH THEIR PUBLIC SERVICE. THREE, I'M CONCERNED THAT THE RESULTS WILL BE SUBOPTIMAL AND LIKELY A PLANNING FAILURE BECAUSE THE CURRENT PROCESS VIOLATES SOME KEY BEST PRACTICES OF PLANNING, VISUALIZATION, INCREASES COMPREHENSION, SIMULATION OF PROCESS AND OUTCOMES, REDUCE RISK ITERATION IS ESSENTIAL TO GETTING IT RIGHT AND INCLUDING ALL STAKEHOLDERS IN THE CONVERSATION, IMPROVES OUTCOMES AND BUILDS THE SUPPORT NECESSARY FOR SUCCESS. IMAGINE THAT YOU ARE SITTING HERE TONIGHT, NOT IN OPPOSITION TO A MAJORITY OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS AND NOT BEING ASKED TO APPROVE AN AUDIENCE THAT AN, AN ORDINANCE THAT IS ARGUABLY RUSHED, REVERSE ENGINEERED OF AN ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN FOR A PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PROJECT. BUT RATHER IMAGINE THAT YOU ARE HERE NEAR THE END OF A PLANNING PROCESS THAT WAS FULLY INCLUSIVE OF THE CITIZENS, LOCAL [04:05:01] MERCHANTS, ARCHITECTS, CONSERVATIONISTS, EXPERTS, AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION, AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVOCATES, AND REAL ESTATE AND DEVELOPMENT INTERESTS. THAT NOT EVERYONE IS HAPPY, BUT EVERYONE HAS BEEN HEARD AND INCLUDED IN THE PROCESS. IMAGINE THAT THE ZONING IMPACTS HAVE BEEN VISUALLY MODELED, SUCH THAT YOU AND ALL STAKEHOLDERS FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT IS ALLOWED UNDER THE OVERLAY ORDINANCE. IMAGINE MODELED SIMULATIONS CREATED BY LOCAL ARCHITECTS THAT PRESENT POSSIBLE ARCHITECTURAL INTERPRETATIONS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE ALONG WITH OTHER CONSTRAINTS SUCH AS LAND USE, BUILDING CODES, AND THE STATE HOUSING MANDATE. IMAGINE THAT THERE HAVE BEEN PUBLIC CONVERSATIONS WITH LEADERS OF OTHER COMMUNITIES WHO HAVE FACED SIMILAR DECISIONS ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF A HISTORIC URBAN CORE. IMAGINE LEARNING FROM THEIR SUCCESSES AND FAILURES. IMAGINE THAT THIS HAS BEEN AN ITERATIVE PROCESS WHERE THE PROVISIONS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE HAVE BEEN CAREFULLY EVALUATED, SIMULATED, AND REVISED, WHERE APPROPRIATE TO YIELD THE BEST POSSIBLE PLAN FOR THE COMMUNITY AND ITS CITIZENS. IMAGINE THINGS WERE DIFFERENT THEY CAN BE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION. THANK YOU. UM, WE HAVE THE HONORABLE LYNN WOOLSEY TO BE FOLLOWED BY MIKE HEALY. WELL, GOOD EVENING, MS. MAYOR AND COUNSEL. UH, BELIEVE ME, I RESPECT YOUR SITUATION AND WHAT YOU'RE DOING TONIGHT. WHAT A LOT OF WORK AND WHAT A LOT OF CARE YOU MUST BE PUTTING INTO THIS. UM, I THINK YOU ALL KNOW THAT I LIVE ON B STREET AND HAVE SINCE 1971, SO I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE RECUSED MYSELF. I HAVE TOO MUCH INTEREST IN WHAT'S GOING ON, , BUT I DIDN'T THEN I WON'T. AND I SAY TO YOU, I AM SO SORRY FOR YOU THAT THE FIRST PROJECT IN THIS OVERLAY WOULD BE THIS HOTEL. NOBODY WANTS IT. I LIVE ON B STREET. I WOULDN'T MIND A SMALL, UH, INTERESTING HOTEL THAT FITS ON THE, THE SPACE. THAT'S FOUR STORIES, NOT SIX STORIES THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE SETBACKS THAT, I MEAN, THAT HAS THE SETBACKS IT'S SUPPOSED TO HAVE. I MEAN, THAT'S THE KIND OF THING PEOPLE CAN DEAL WITH, BUT THEY, WE DON'T WANT THE BIG BIGGEST THING IN TOWN TO BE THE FIRST THING DONE IN THIS O BECAUSE OF THIS OVERLAY. FOR ONE THING, IF IT IS PASSED, AND IF THE HOTEL COMES, EVERY SINGLE PROJECT AFTER THIS IS GOING TO WANT TO BE SIX STORIES HIGH WITH THE SET SETBACKS THEY WANT OR NO SETBACKS, AND, UH, THAT'S NOT GONNA WORK. AND YOU'RE GONNA SAY, NO, YOU CAN'T. AND THEY'RE GONNA SAY YES, BUT YOU DID IT FOR THEM. AND YOU ARE GONNA HAVE THIS MEETING, ALL THESE WONDERFUL PEOPLE, UH, EVERY TIME THERE'S A PROJECT, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GONNA GET, THEY'RE GONNA GET SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE GIVING THE HOTEL AND YOU DON'T WANT TO. PEOPLE COME TO PETALUMA BECAUSE THEY LOVE IT AND, UH, DON'T MESS IT UP. THINK ABOUT THAT WHEN YOU VOTE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MIKE HEALY. UM, AND ARE YOU, AND YOU HAVE SEATED TIME FROM CONSTANCE BAY. IS CONSTANCE IN THE ROOM? YES. THANK YOU. UH, GOOD EVENING. I'VE, UH, WELL, THAT'S A HARD ACT TO FOLLOW. I'VE BEEN, UM, ASKED TO SHARE TONIGHT, UH, THE RESULTS OF A POLL THAT WAS PUT OUT LAST MONTH BY PETAL AND HISTORIC ADVOCATES. UM, AND THIS WAS A POLL THAT WAS PUT OUT BY A PROFESSIONAL, UM, A POLITICAL CONSULTANT. IT WAS A, A TEXT POLL. SOME OF YOU PROBABLY GOT IT. SOME OF 'EM, IF YOU MAY HAVE EVEN RESPONDED. UM, IT GOT 859 RESPONSES, WHICH IS ALMOST 3% OF THE PEOPLE WHO VOTED IN THE LAST ELECTION. SO THAT'S IMPRESSIVE. SO HERE WE GO. FIRST SUBSTANTIVE QUESTION. UM, A SIX STORY HOTEL AND RESTAURANT IS PROPOSED FOR THE OLD GAS STATION SITE AT THE CORNER OF B STREET AND PETALUMA BOULEVARD, WHERE THE CURRENT MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT IS EFFECTIVELY THREE STORIES. DO YOU HAVE A FAVORABLE OR UNFAVORABLE VIEW OF THIS PROJECT? UH, UNFAVORABLE WAS [04:10:01] 52% FAVORABLE, 30%, NOT SURE OR UNDECIDED, 12%. NEVER HEARD OF IT. 6%. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THOSE PEOPLE ARE . NEXT QUESTION ALSO UNDER CONSIDERATION IS AN OVERLAY ZONING ORDINANCE FOR DOWNTOWN PETALUMA, WHICH WOULD ALLOW SIX STORY BUILDINGS, INCLUDING THE HOTEL THROUGHOUT THREE OVERLAY ZONING AREAS, MOSTLY WITH ZERO REQUIRED OFF STREET PARKING. DO YOU HAVE A FAVORABLE OR UNFAVORABLE VIEW OF THIS PROPOSED OVERLAY ZONING? UNFAVORABLE OPINION, 65%. FAVORABLE OPINION 20%. NOT SURE. 8%. NEVER HEARD OF IT. 7%. THIRD QUESTION, HOW IMPORTANT IS THE OVERLAY ZONING ISSUE TO YOU? WOULD YOU SAY THAT IT IS VERY IMPORTANT, 50%, SOMEWHAT IMPORTANT, 36%, SOMEWHAT UNIMPORTANT, 7% NOT IMPORTANT. 6%. AND THERE'LL BE COPIES OF THIS FOR AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO WRITE. UH, NEXT QUESTION. THE PETAL PETALUMA CITY COUNCIL IS EXPECTED TO VOTE TO APPROVE THE OVERLAY ZONING ORDINANCE IN FEBRUARY. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE CONSIDERING CONDUCTING A SIGNATURE DRIVE TO FORCE A REFERENDUM ON THE, ON THE OVERLAY ZONING ORDINANCE, WHICH WOULD GIVE VOTERS THE POWER TO APPROVE OR DENY THE OVERLAY ZONING. DO YOU HAVE A FAVORABLE OR UNFAVORABLE VIEW OF A REFERENDUM ON THE OVERLAY ZONING? FAVORABLE OPINION 58%. UNFAVORABLE OPINION, 26%. NOT SURE. UNDECIDED. 16%. AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION, IF THE PETITION DRIVE WAS SUCCESSFUL AND A REFERENDUM ON THE OVERLAY ZONING WAS PLACED ON THE BALLOT, HOW WOULD YOU VOTE? YOU WOULD VOTE TO OVERTURN THE OVERLAY ZONING. 55% YOU WOULD VOTE TO SUPPORT THE OVERLAY ZONING. 22%. YOU'RE NOT SURE OR UNDECIDED? 24%. SO YOU'RE OVER TWO AND A HALF TO ONE IN FAVOR OF A REFERENDUM TO OVERTURN THIS, THIS DECISION. AND THEN WITH MY REMAINING TIME, I WANNA TURN TO A, AN A ANOTHER ISSUE. THERE WAS A, A, UM, A SLIDE EARLIER ON AND THEN A QUESTION IN RESPONSE TO A QUESTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER NOW ABOUT THE RADIUS FROM THE, UM, TRANSIT STOP. THE MAJOR OR MAJOR TRANSIT STOP, WHICH IS THE SMART STATION. UM, AND, AND I, I, I THINK IT'S INACCURATE BECAUSE I'VE MEASURED THAT MYSELF AND THE HALF MILE RADIUS FROM THE ACTUAL STATION PLATFORM, WHICH IS WHAT THE TRANSIT STOP SHOULD BE, NOT THE LOT ON WHICH THE, THE TRA THE SMART STATION SITS NOT THE PARKING LOT FOR THE, THE SMART STATION ONLY GETS YOU TO LIBERTY STREET. SO THE, ALL THE, ALL THE PART OF SECTION SUBSECTION C BEYOND LIBERTY STREET IS, IS OUTSIDE OF THAT HALF MILE RADIUS FROM SB 2097. UM, AND, AND THEREFORE IT'S ABOUT A QUARTER OF THE, UH, ACREAGE, UH, OF THE OVERALL OVERLAY ZONING. AND I DON'T THINK THE EIR ESPECIALLY MASTER RESPONSE 14 ADEQUATELY DEALS WITH THAT ISSUE BECAUSE IT'S A SUBSTANTIAL PART, UM, MORE THAN A VERY MINOR PART OF THE, UM, UH, OF THE OVERLAY ZONING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. I GUESS WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT PART ABOUT NO CLAPPING, HUH? UM, IF WE GET THE NEXT SPEAKER UP, WE'LL DO WELL. ANTHONY PIRRO TO BE FOLLOWED BY JASON JENKINS. WELL, GOOD EVENING COUNCIL MEMBERS. ANTHONY PIERRE HERE. GENERATIONAL PETALUMA RESIDENT AND LOCAL BUSINESS OWNER. I'M ONCE AGAIN SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE CITIZENS OF OUR COMMUNITY. IT BLOWS MY MIND THAT YOU GUYS MADE AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, NOT AN APPOINTED ONE. MIND YOU RECUSE HIMSELF FROM THIS DISCUSSION. THE ONLY REASON SOMEONE SHOULD HAVE TO RECUSE THEMSELVES IS THAT THEY HAVE A FINANCIAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST WITH THE DEVELOPMENT WHERE ONE MIGHT PAT ITS POCKETS. THAT WAS NOT THE CASE HERE. NOT BECAUSE THEY LIVED TOO CLOSE TO DEVELOPMENT. IT'S NOT HIS FAULT. HIS HOME MIGHT BE NEARBY. WAY TO SHOW THE CITIZENS OF THIS TOWN WHAT TRUE MORALE AND RAPPORT YOU GUYS HAVE AS A COUNCIL. I FIND IT COMICAL THAT BEHIND YOU GUYS, YOU HAVE A SIGN THAT STATES PETALUMA STANDS UNITED AGAINST HATE. YEAH, THAT'S RICH. FOR THE FOLKS THAT MADE COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLY RECUSE HIMSELF, YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED, EMBARRASSED, AND KNOW THIS, YOU'RE COWARDS. I FEEL LIKE A BROKEN RECORD TIME AND TIME AGAIN REMINDING YOU GUYS THAT WE, THE CITIZENS OF PETALUMA, DO NOT WORK FOR YOU. YOU WORK FOR US. IT'S BLATANTLY OBVIOUS THAT WE DO NOT WANT THIS HOTEL IN OUR TOWN. I BROUGHT UP [04:15:01] MULTIPLE ISSUES LAST MEETING WITH A COMMON LOGIC BEING THE MAIN FOCAL POINT IN MY ARGUMENT. PARKING, NONE OF WHICH EXISTS. FIRE AND SAFETY. THERE'S NO WAY TO REACH A BUILDING OF THAT CALIBER WITH THE FIRE EQUIPMENT THAT WE HAVE IN OUR TOWN. OTHER HOTELS. WE HAVE MULTIPLE HOTELS IN OUR CITY, NONE OF WHICH ARE EVER FULLY OCCUPIED. I WENT TO EACH HOTEL MYSELF INDIVIDUALLY AND ASKED THEM, ALL OF THEM SAY THEY NEVER REACH MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY. I DO TRULY BELIEVE COMMON LOGIC AND REAL REALISTIC THINKING NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT TO THE TABLE. STOP THE DOG AND PONY SHOW AND GIVE THE CITIZENS WHO VOTED YOU GUYS IN INTO YOUR POSITIONS. WHAT WE WANT, WE WANT TO PRESERVE OUR TOWN. WE WANT TO REMAIN A SMALL TOWN. PETALUMA, THANK YOU. THANK YOU JASON JENKINS TO BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, UM, DOLORES TUTTLE BROWN. AM I RIGHT? GO FOR IT. UH, JASON JENKINS. I'M A BUSINESS OWNER DOWNTOWN. 20 YEARS I'VE BEEN WORKING, BORN AND RAISED HERE. UM, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A FOUR STORY EDWARDIAN, VICTORIAN BRICK, SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL AND ATTRACTIVE THAT'S AN ASSET TO OUR TOWN. SOMETHING SO NICE THAT PEOPLE COME TO OUR TOWN TO STAY AT THAT SPECIFIC HOTEL. IT UP OUTWEIGHS THE, UH, PETALUMA HOTEL EVEN BETTER AND NICER. SOMETHING CLASSY, NOT SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE A MONOLITH IN SAN JOSE. THAT IS COMPLETELY UGLY . THAT BEING SAID, I'VE DONE THIS FOREVER. I'M DOWNTOWN. MY FINGER IS ON THE PULSE. I TALK TO PROBABLY MORE PEOPLE IN A WEEKEND THAN YOU GUYS DO COLLECTIVELY ALL THE TIME. THERE IS NOBODY THAT WANTS THAT HOTEL TO GO IN YET. CERTAIN MEMBERS, THE DOWNTOWN ASSOCIATION ARE PEDALING THE FALSITY THAT BUSINESSES WANT THIS. AND THAT'S A LIE BECAUSE BUSINESSES MOSTLY, I ONLY KNOW ONE BUSINESS I'VE TALKED TO AND I TALK TO A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WANTS THIS TO HAPPEN. THEY'RE PROBABLY HIGH ON DRUGS. NOBODY WANTS THIS TO HAPPEN. . THAT'S ALL I'M GONNA SAY. THANK YOU. UH, PATRIC TUTTLE BROWN TO BE FOLLOWED BY CHANTEL ROBERT ROGERS. I AM NOT FEELING MY MOST PERKY. I HURT MY KNEE. ISN'T THAT WASTE OF MY TWO MINUTES. BUT I HAD TO COME DOWN. AND THIS IS MY, UH, COMMENTARY TO THE COUNCIL. UM, MY FEELING IS I AGREE THAT IT, WE WE WE CAN, WE NEED TO GET RID OF THE DIVISIVENESS AND, AND YOU COME TOGETHER AND I FEEL THERE'S NO VILLAINS HERE. I DISAGREE WITH SOME OF THE PEOPLE ON THE COUNCIL. I'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS. AND WHAT I FEEL LIKE IS THAT IT'S TIME TO REALIZE THAT. DO YOU REALLY WANNA WAIT AROUND FOR THIS WONDERFUL GROUP THAT'S EMERGED PETALUMA HISTORIC ADVOCATES TO CREATE A REFERENDUM? AND HA AND DO YOU REALLY WANT ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE TO HAVE TO STAND BY THE POST OFFICE AND, AND BY THE GROCERY STORE? OR HOW ABOUT JUST HAVING YOUR OWN REFERENDUM? WE HAVE SPENT SO MUCH MONEY ALREADY ON THE HOTEL AND ON THE, THE PLANNERS AND THEIR WONDERFUL WORK. THERE ARE NO VILLAINS, THE PLANNERS, THE COUNCIL. BUT WE NEED, WHEN YOU KNOW, KEVIN, YOU WERE, YOU WERE SAID THAT THERE'S TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF SUPPORT FOR THE OVERLAY. AT LEAST YOU WERE QUOTED. YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS WHAT THE NEWSPAPERS REALLY, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE IS. BUT YOU WON'T KNOW UNLESS YOU ASK. YOU CAN CREATE A REFERENDUM. NOBODY HAS TO SLAVE AWAY BE BEING AT STANDING OUTSIDE. AND THERE WAS EVEN THOUGHTS ABOUT RECRIMINATION. WELL, IT'S NOT VERY FUN. SO THE MAIN THING IS, IF WE DO THIS, NUMBER ONE, THERE NEEDS TO BE, UM, AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN, UH, PETALUMA ADVOCATES AND OF, OF SOME MAYBE PEGGY, ABOUT THE LANGUAGE OF THE REFERENDUM. AND NUMBER TWO, THERE NEEDS TO BE A FORUM WHERE FOR ONCE THE PEOPLE HERE GET ALL OF THE WISDOM THAT BRIAN AND MR. GROUP M , I FORGET YOUR NAME, THE WISDOM, YOU KNOW, 15, 20, 30 MINUTE TALKS, AND THEN LET PEOPLE VOTE. THAT'S MY, UH, HOPEFUL WISDOM. THANK YOU CHANTEL ROGERS TO BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, MAUREEN SAL. GOOD EVENING. UM, SO A COUPLE WEEKS AGO WE HAD, UM, A WHOLE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE LATEST, UH, PARKING SURVEY, UM, FOR DOWNTOWN. UM, IT WAS DONE DURING TWO DAYS IN JUNE THAT HAPPENED TO COINCIDE WITH OUR LOCAL FAIR, WHERE EVERYBODY WHO [04:20:01] LIVES HERE AND EVERYBODY COMING TO TOWN WAS AT THE FAIRGROUNDS. AND TWO DAYS IN OCTOBER. UM, ALSO NOT A HIGH VOLUME, UH, VISITOR OR USE TIME FOR ANYBODY DOWNTOWN. AND EVEN WITH THOSE LITTLE USE TIMES, THE PARKING WAS PRETTY FILLED UP. NOT OVERWHELMING, BUT AGAIN, NOT THE SUMMER, NOT, UH, CHRISTMAS SHOPPING, NOT WEEKENDS. UM, NO TIME WHEN YOU WOULD EXPECT THAT THOSE PARKING LEVELS WOULD'VE BEEN SUPER HIGH. SO, UM, THAT PARKING SURVEY ALSO DIDN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE, UH, SPOTS THAT WE'RE LOSING TO, UH, DAYLIGHTING, WHICH I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET A NUMBER, BUT I THINK IT'S CLOSE TO A HUNDRED. UM, IT DIDN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE NEW ADOBE WINERY BECAUSE IT'S NOT OPEN YET. SO HOW COULD THEY, THAT'S A 300 PERSON CAPACITY. UM, IF WE GET A NEW HOTEL, IT HAS 58 SPOTS THAT MIGHT TAKE CARE OF THE CARS OF THE PEOPLE WHO, UM, ARE STAYING THERE. BUT IT WON'T TAKE CARE OF THE WORKERS. IT WON'T TAKE CARE OF THE, UM, PEOPLE WHO COME TO THE RESTAURANT. IT WON'T TAKE CARE OF THE PEOPLE WHO COME TO THE BAR OR THE BACHELORETTE PARTY ON THE ROOFTOP. UM, AND THEN WE'D LIKE TO THROW IN SOME, UH, NO PARKING REQUIRED HOUSING. AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY WHO DOESN'T HAVE A CAR UNLESS THEY'RE TOO OLD TO BE ABLE TO DRIVE A CAR. THOSE PEOPLE ARE GONNA PARK ALL OVER PETALUMA. SO IF YOU LIVE ANYWHERE NEAR DOWNTOWN PETALUMA, YOU CAN FORGET PARKING IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, MAUREEN SAL TO BE FOLLOWED BY KIM WHEELER. GOOD EVENING. I WAS GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT REALLY. BUT I AM NOW GONNA TALK ABOUT ALEX DE CARLY. I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE DECISION TO HAVE ALEX ARI ACCUSE HIMSELF ON ALL VOTING FOR THE HOTEL AND OVERLAY DUE THE PROXIMITY OF HIS HOME TO ONE OF HIS BOUNDARIES. BY DOING THIS, YOU HAVE EFFECTIVELY SILENCED THE VOTE OF DISTRICT FIVE, WHICH IS ONE SIX OF THE VOTING POPULATION. PETALUMA, I FEEL I HAVE NO LONGER HAVE A VOICE. I LIVE IN THE FIFTH DISTRICT. THIS ACTION IS COMPLETE CONTRADICTION AS TO WHY WE MOVED TO DISTRICT CITY COUNCIL REPRESENTATION RATHER THAN CITYWIDE, WE VOTED FOR LOCAL REPRESENTATION. ALEX WON BY STATING HE WAS AGAINST THE HOTEL AND THE OVERLAY. THIS PROPOSAL NOT ONLY IMPACTS HIM AS A RESIDENT OF THE FIFTH DISTRICT, BUT THOUSANDS OF OTHERS IN THE SAME WHO LIVE IN THE SAME AREA BECAUSE THE IMPACT, IMPACT IS INDISTINGUISHABLE TO A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE RESIDENTS THAT HE REPRESENTS AND LIVE CLOSE TO DOWNTOWN. AND THE OVERLAY AND EXCEPTION SHOULD HAVE BEEN MADE TO ALLOW HIM TO PARTICIPATE AND VOTE, SINCE AN EXCEPTION WAS NOT ALLOWED. THIS HAS CAUSED A GAP IN REPRESENTATION FOR THE FIFTH DISTRICT WHO WILL BE DEEPLY AFFECTED BY THIS VOTE. THIS BRINGS INTO QUESTION THE LEGITIMACY OF THE VOTE THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE REFLECTIVE OF THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. THIS IS YET ANOTHER REASON WHY I'M REQUESTING THIS VOTE TO BE DELAYED ON REZONING AND MOVE BACK INTO THE GENERAL PLAN WHERE IT RIGHTFULLY BELONGS SO THAT ALL CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN VOTE ON THE OVERALL PLAN WITH A HOLISTIC APPROACH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, ROBERT. STAFF , UH, I DO HAVE TO NOTE, MAKE COMMENT HERE THAT THE, UM, THE RECUSAL IS IN FAIR POLITICAL PRACTICES ACTION AND LAW, NOT AN ACTION TAKEN LOCALLY THERE. SO KIM, YOU MAY BEGIN TO BE FOLLOWED BY ERIC SHEZ. HI, KIM WHEELER. UM, LUMIN, SIXTH DISTRICT. SIXTH DISTRICT. I THINK I OWN SUGO RIA DOWNTOWN. UM, AND I'VE GOTTEN UP AND SPOKEN A COUPLE TIMES AND JUST TALKED TO YOU ABOUT JUST MY, MY OVERALL CONCERNS OF NEGATIVE IMPACTS THAT THE HOTEL CAN HAVE. UM, I'VE ALSO GROWN CONCERNED WITH THE INTERACTIONS HERE IN THE, IN THE MEETINGS AND THE COUPLE THAT I'VE GONE TO. [04:25:01] UM, YOU DO REPRESENT US, UM, AND YOU ARE THERE TO BE OUR VOICE. AND, UM, TO SEE THE DISDAIN THAT I'VE SEEN FROM MEMBERS TO PEOPLE WHO'VE COME UP AND SPOKEN HAS BEEN REALLY DISAPPOINTING AND REALLY DISHEARTENING. UM, ALSO DISHEARTENING WAS, UM, IT WAS MENTIONED IN THE NOVEMBER MEETING THAT THERE WAS A LETTER WRITTEN BY THE DOWNTOWN ASSOCIATION AND REPRESENTATION OF DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES, WHICH I WAS UNAWARE OF. MAYBE 'CAUSE IT WAS DONE OR THE INFORMATION WAS GATHERED PRIOR TO ME TAKING OVER. HOWEVER, I DO NOW HAVE THIS LETTER. UM, AND THE LETTER AGAIN IN THE NOVEMBER MEETING WAS REPRESENTED AS THE BUSINESSES IN THE DOWNTOWN SUPPORT THIS PARTICULAR HOTEL. I'M GONNA READ THE LETTER, TAKE OFF MY PROGRESSIVES. MAYBE NOT. SORRY, I'M GETTING USED TO THEM. UM, WE, THE BOARD OF THE DIRECTORS OF THE PETALUMA DOWNTOWN ASSOCIATION WOULD LIKE TO URGENTLY REMIND YOU OF THE CONCERNS ADDRESSED IN OUR LETTER IN NOVEMBER, 2023 REGARDING THE PROPOSED OVERLAY AND IN GENERAL, THE DEVELOPMENT OF DO OF DOWNTOWN. WE FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT ANY ACTIONS TAKEN BY THE CITY TO DRIVE DEVELOPMENT IN DOWNTOWN PETALUMA SHOULD ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF DOWNTOWN MERCHANTS. THESE CONCERNS AS COMMUNICATED LAST YEAR. SO IN 2023 LETTER, THE CREATION OF A RETAIL FORMULA FOR THE DOWNTOWN AREA. SO THE PROSPERITY DOES NOT INADVERTENTLY DRIVE OUT OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES. IT'S IN YOUR PACKET. NOVEMBER 18TH, ITEM 10. ATTACHMENT 11. PLEASE REREAD IT AND KNOW THAT. THANK YOU. THIS WAS MS. RU ERIC SHADE TO BE FOLLOWED BY LARRY JONAS. IS THAT ERIC SHARP? YES. I, I'M ERIC SHER, AND I'VE BEEN A PETALUMA RESIDENT FOR, UH, OVER 10 YEARS NOW. UM, THE COUNCIL WAS HERE TO HEAR, YOU KNOW, BEFORE YOU GROW, THESE ARE COMMENTS COMING STRAIGHT FROM OUR CITY COUNCIL TONIGHT. AND I THINK THAT THERE'S A REALLY HYPOCRITICAL POINT TO THAT WHOLE THING RIGHT HERE. ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THAT WE'RE DIVIDING THE COMMUNITY. UM, QUITE THE CONTRARY. I THINK OUR COMMUNITY IS COMPLETELY UNITED . I THINK THE DIVISION IS THE COMMUNITY AND THOSE WHO WE'VE ELECTED TO REPRESENT US, THAT'S THE DIVISION. YOU CAN HEAR EVERYONE WHO COMES UP HERE. I KEEP HEARING THE SAME THING AS WELL. THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WE KNOW WHO ARE, UH, WHO ARE FOR THIS. AND WE'VE NOT FOUND ANYBODY. AND WE HAVE NOT HEARD ANYBODY COME UP. A COUPLE PEOPLE HAVE ONE OF THE, UM, UH, COMMISSION MEETINGS THAT I WENT TO, THERE WERE FIVE PEOPLE WHO SPOKE IN SUPPORT OF, I SUBSEQUENTLY ASKED THEM WHERE THEY'RE FROM, NOT ONE OF THEM WAS FROM PETALUMA. AND SO WHY DON'T WE ASK PEOPLE, WHERE ARE YOU FROM AS WE COME ON UP HERE TO SPEAK SO THAT WE CAN KNOW WHERE, WHERE WE'RE FROM AND WHAT WE THINK ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY HERE. YOU KNOW, I KEEP HEARING ABOUT THIS DISCRETIONARY REVIEW PROCESS, AND WHAT SCARES ME IS THE DISCRETION COMES INTO YOUR HANDS. , THE, THE CITY, THE, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT SHARED WITH US THAT THE DISCRETION HAS TO BE BASED ON IMPROVING THE, THE STREETSCAPE. LOOK AT THIS PROJECT AND THE PEDESTRIAN ENVIRONMENT AND LOOK AT THIS, THIS PROJECT. IS THAT GONNA IMPROVE THOSE THINGS? ABSOLUTELY NOT. AND THE PARKING ISSUE IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S SO IMPORTANT TO ME, ONLY BECAUSE ONE OF OUR BELOVED COMMUNITY ASSETS, THE, UM, UM, UH, FOURTH AND SEA, WHICH ENDED UP LOSING ITS ABILITY TO, TO FUNCTION BECAUSE IT NEEDED TO GET RID OF ONE PARKING SPACE OUT OF NINE. AND THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE COMMISSION SAID, WE CAN'T LET THAT HAPPEN. WE ALL WALK THERE AND THEN THIS MONSTROSITY THAT'S BEING BUILT HAS ALL KINDS OF VARIANCES FOR PARKING. AND THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S THE DISCRETIONARY PART THAT SCARES THE DAYLIGHTS OUTTA ME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ERIC. LARRY JONAS TO BE FOLLOWED BY SUZANNE BIJI. HELLO. I'VE LIVED IN PETALUMA FOR OVER 50 YEARS AND MY WHOLE CAREER WAS SPENT HERE. I FEEL LIKE I'M BEATING A DEAD HORSE RIGHT NOW, KNOWING THAT MOST OF YOU HAVE ALREADY COME INTO THESE CHAMBERS WITH HOW YOU'RE GONNA VOTE, AND REALLY NOTHING'S GONNA PROBABLY CHANGE THAT. IT SEEMS APPARENT THAT THE POTENTIAL FOR A $750,000 REVENUE IS THE CARROT IN FRONT OF YOU THAT HOPES YOU VOTE FOR. HOWEVER, THAT MONEY MAY NOT BE REALISTIC BECAUSE THIS HOTEL WILL SIPHON OFF ROOMS FROM OTHER HOTELS. THIS RESTAURANT WILL ALSO SIPHON OFF FROM OTHER RESTAURANTS. SO THE NET RESULT MAY NOT BE SEVEN 50 TO THE CITY, BUT SOMETHING LESS. UM, FURTHERMORE, A FOUR STORY HOTEL [04:30:01] WOULD GENERATE PERHAPS TWO THIRDS OF THAT AMOUNT USING YOUR NUMBERS, WHICH SHOULD BE $500,000. SO THEREFORE, FOR $250,000 DIFFERENCE, YOU RISK RUINING THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT ALIENATING THIS AUDIENCE AND OFFER 250,000. THEORETICALLY, THE PARKING IS STILL A BIG PROBLEM. AND THIS HOTEL WILL NEED, ACCORDING TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, 193 SPACES OF WHICH 58 OR IN THE BASEMENT THAT LEAVES 135 CARS NEEDING TO PARK SOMEWHERE LOCALLY. WE DON'T HAVE 135 SPOTS VACANT. AND I THINK YOU CAN ALL JUSTIFY THAT. UM, SO WE'VE ALREADY SEEN THE ANTIQUE STORE MOVE OUT OF DOWNTOWN PETALUMA, AND THE BIG SIGN ON THEIR WINDOW SAYS, COME TO OUR NEW PLACE. WE NOW HAVE PARKING. SO PARKING IS A BIG ISSUE AND IT'S NOT GONNA GO AWAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. SUSAN BIJI TO BE FOLLOWED BY CHRISTINE WHITE. I'VE BEEN HERE MANY TIMES BEFORE, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT A VISION TONIGHT THAT WAS INSPIRED BY AN ARTICLE IN THE ARGUS COURIER THAT TALKED ABOUT COMBINING OUR HISTORIC BUILDINGS WITH CONTEMPORARY BUILDINGS THAT WERE EQUAL QUALITY. I HAVE SEEN THIS, UH, WHEN I VISITED BUENOS AIRES, AND IT'S ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE. YOU SEE THESE WONDERFUL HISTORIC BUILDINGS AND BESIDE THEM, MODERN BUILDINGS WITH THE SAME, UH, QUALITY, THE SAME SCALE. IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S BREATHTAKING. AND THERE WAS AN ARTICLE IN THE SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE RECENTLY THAT TALKED ABOUT PETALUMA AND THE HISTORIC QUALITY OF PETALUMA WHITE PEOPLE WANTED TO COME HERE. AND I BELIEVE THAT WITH A LARGE HOTEL THAT'S POORLY DESIGNED, THAT'S GONNA KIND OF, UH, UH, PUT THE KIBOSH ON THAT. SO I'VE LIVED HERE SINCE 1983 AND I HAVEN'T SEEN AN EXAMPLE THAT THE CITY HAS BUILT THAT FITS THIS DESCRIPTION. THERE'S ONE ON WEBSTER STREET I'VE MENTIONED BEFORE. THIS WON AWARDS. WE HAVE NO ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD OR ANYONE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT HAS ANY ARCHITECTURAL BACKGROUND OR STRONG PORTFOLIO. SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, WHO'S GONNA REVIEW IT? WHAT EXPERTISE DO THEY HAVE? I DON'T SEE ANYTHING MORE IN THIS. ANYBODY IN THIS DIOCESE THAT I KNOW HAS A DESIGN STRONG, UH, DESIGN PORTFOLIO. I AM, I'M CONCERNED THAT IF THE DESIGN AND SCALE OF THE EKN IS EXAMPLE OF FUTURE STRUCTURES THAT DOESN'T FIT MY, THAT DOESN'T FIT MY VISION, I THINK IT WOULD BE BE BETTER FOR SAN JOSE. AND I THINK ALSO IT SETS A VISION FOR THIS TOWN THAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE GONNA WANNA COME IN AND BUILD BUILDINGS LIKE THIS BECAUSE IT WILL PENCIL OUT. I WOULD PREFER TO SEE PEOPLE LIKE THE DAVID BAKER DESIGN GROUP THAT WAS BROUGHT HERE, HAD A TALK AT, UM, AT THE MYSTIC THEATER. THEY'RE DESIGNERS AND BUILDERS. THEY AREN'T JUST DEVELOPERS. WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH NOW IS A DEVELOPER THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY DESIGN SENSIBILITY. THEY'RE GONNA CARE ABOUT THE BOTTOM LINE. HOW MANY UNITS CAN THEY PUT IN? WELL, PENCIL OUT. THAT'S WHAT PETALUMA MAY LOOK LIKE IF THIS GOES THROUGH AND SET TO PRESIDENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CHRISTINE WHITE SHOULD BE FOLLOWED BY LYDIA ASLAN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCIL. THANK YOU MAYOR. UM, FIRST I WANTED TO SAY FOR MAYOR MCDONALD, I COMPLETELY ECHO THE COMMENTS OF MAUREEN GOTCHU. IN FACT, I WAS GONNA SAY SOMETHING ELSE WHEN I CAME UP HERE, BUT I FEEL THAT I HAVE TO SAY, YOU SAID THAT THE DECISION OF THE COUNCIL IS YOURS. THIS DECISION IS YOURS. HOWEVER, THAT YOU WOULD LISTEN TO THE COMMENTS AND THAT WE WOULD BE HEARD, BUT WE AREN'T BEING HEARD. THOSE OF US THAT ARE IN ALEX DI CARLY'S, UH, DIVISION BECAUSE WE VOTED FOR HIM, HE IS OUR VOICE. AND I'M SORRY, BUT THAT'S THE EMPTY CHAIR THAT'S NEXT TO YOU. SO THEREFORE WE HAVE NO VOICE. DO I NEED TO BE SILENCED? I THINK NOT. I WANTED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT A COUPLE THINGS. ONE SITE COVERAGE ON ONE OF YOUR PAGES, I FORGET IT IS, WHICH IT IS. AND, UH, MR. COUNCIL MEMBER RE I THINK YOU SAID YOU ASKED ABOUT CAN WE HAVE THREE OUT OF THE SIX INSTEAD OF ONLY ONE. BUT ON SITE COVERAGE, YOU ALSO SAID ONLY ONE NEEDS TO BE, UM, FOLLOWED. AND THAT WOULD BE WASTE AND RECYCLING IF I WERE THE DEVELOPER. 'CAUSE EVERYBODY HAS TO HAVE WASTE AND RECYCLING. SO MAYBE YOU NEED TO CONSIDER MAKING THAT MORE ROBUST AS WELL. ALSO, AS A RETIRED PROJECT MANAGER, I PREVIOUSLY ASKED THIS COUNCIL, WHAT IS THE VISION FOR PETALUMA? YOU HAVE THIS OVERLAY THAT'S HERE, BUT THERE ISN'T, DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A VISION OR ONE THAT'S SHARED WITH ALL OF US. SO YOU ALSO HAVE NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, PRESENTED US WITH A DETAILED PROJECT PLAN. AND AS A PROJECT MANAGER, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A GOALS, [04:35:01] BUDGET, TIMELINE, RESOURCES, RISKS. YOU HAVE TO DO A SWOT ANALYSIS, STRENGTHS, WEAKNESSES, OPPORTUNITIES, AND THREATS. ALL OF THOSE THINGS NEED TO BE COVERED IN THAT. EIRI DIDN'T SEE 'EM. I'M NOT AN EXPERT. WE HAVE EXPERTS HERE. BUT TO MY EXPERTISE IN PROJECT MANAGEMENT, THIS HAS A LONG WAY TO GO. ALSO APPROVING A, B, AND C UNDER ONE OVERLAY. WHAT ABOUT CONSIDERING JUST PART OF IT? SEE IF IT WORKS, THEN YOU CAN TEST YOUR THREATS AND YOUR STRENGTHS AND YOUR WEAKNESSES AND SEE IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT PETALUMA WANTS. THANK YOU, LYDIA. ASLAN. AND LYDIA, YOU HAVE SEATED TIME FROM ERMINE TEL VIEW AND, AND, UH, KIM. UH, KRISTEN JOHNSON? YES. DO UM, CAN YOU WAVE AT ME? KRISTEN? HERE'S LORI. HERE'S BE LORI, AND THANK YOU. OKAY. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. UM, I'M LYDIA ASLAN FROM PETALUMA HISTORIC ADVOCATES. SO FOR ALMOST TWO YEARS NOW, I'VE BEEN SUBMITTING PUBLIC COMMENTS AND HAS SPOKEN IN FRONT OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION. I THOUGHT THAT I'D SAID ALL I COULD POSSIBLY SEE ABOUT THE HOTEL, THE OVERLAY, AND THE COMBO EIR. BUT HERE I AM , UM, THESE CORE TRUTHS. I'M GONNA BRING THIS BACK TO THE OVERLAY. I'M, I'M, I'M NOT GOING TO DIG INTO THE HOTEL DESIGN, BUT THESE CORE TRUTHS ABOUT THE OVERLAY CONTINUE TO FRUSTRATE ME. ONE, THE OVERLAY IS FRANKLY A CHARADE. IT WAS INVENTED FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF ALLOWING THE APPALACHIAN HOTEL TO PROCEED IN ADVANCE OF THE DECISION MAKING AND COMMUNITY BUY-IN. THAT MUST TAKE PLACE AS PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE. TWO, THE OVERLAY IS ALSO A SALES JOB ON THE COMMUNITY. SO THIS KIND OF ECHOES WHAT PLANNING COMMISSIONER DARREN RASON SAID EARLIER, BY REBRANDING THE OVERLAY AS A HOUSING OVERLAY, THE NARRATIVE THAT'S BEING PUSHED ABOUT INCENTIVIZING HOUSING IS WHAT THE COMMUNITY THINKS IT'S BEING, IS BEING DONE. IT'S NOT TRUE. THE OVERLAY DOES NOT, IN FACT INCENTIVIZE MORE DENSE HOUSING TO BE BUILT ABOVE WHAT CURRENT ZONING ALLOWS. HOUSING DENSITY HERE REMAINS AT 30 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IT MEANS THREE TO FOUR STORIES OF HOUSING AND NO MORE THAN 45 FEET IN HEIGHT, WHICH CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED WITHOUT AN OVERLAY. SO WHAT'S THE TAKEAWAY? THE TAKEAWAY HERE IS THAT THE SIX STORY HOTEL NEEDS THE OVERLAY IN ORDER TO PROCEED, BUT THREE TO FOUR STORY HOUSING DOES NOT. SO THE GAS LIGHTING, THE GAS LIGHTING CONTINUES. I NOTICED IN THE EIR THAT THERE WAS A SPECIFIC CALCULATION THAT SHOWCASED THE SIZEABLE INCREASE IN ALLOWABLE NON-RESIDENTIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE BECAUSE OF THE OVERLAY. BUT THERE WAS NO SUCH CLAIM FOR HOUSING. WHY? BECAUSE THE OVERLAY DOESN'T INCREASE ALLOWABLE HOUSING. YET WHEN, WHEN RESIDENTS ASKED IN THE EIR WHY THERE WASN'T A HOTEL ONLY ALTERNATIVE PRESENTED AS PART OF THE EIR, THE STOCK RESPONSE WAS THAT A HOTEL ONLY OPTION IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S GOAL TO BUILD MORE HOUSING. GO FIGURE. OKAY. AND I'VE GOTTA SAY, EVEN READING TONIGHT'S STAFF REPORT, I SAW A LITTLE GAS LIGHTING. I WAS GOBSMACKED BY THIS SENTENCE QUOTE. DUE TO HIGH CONSTRUCTION COSTS, A NEW BUILDING IN THE DOWNTOWN WOULD LIKELY HAVE TO BE TALLER THAN 45 FEET TO OFFER ENOUGH RENTAL INCOME TO BE FINANCIALLY VIABLE. AND IT REFERENCED THE STRATEGIC ECONOMICS MEMORANDUM DATED NOVEMBER 7TH, 2023. SO I WENT AND FOUND THAT STRATEGIC ECONOMICS MEMORANDUM, AND THIS IS WHAT IT SAID, QUOTE, THE DOWNTOWN OVERLAYS INCREASED MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS LIKELY TO HAVE LITTLE INITIAL IMPACT ON RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY AS PROJECTS BUILT BETWEEN 45 AND 75 FEET REQUIRE HIGHER COST CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS AND TECHNIQUES. SO WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? IT MEANS THAT IN THE SHORT TERM, EVEN IF HOUSING DENSITY WAS INCREASED, WE'RE NOT LIKELY TO ACHIEVE HOUSING ABOVE 45 FEET ANYWAY, BECAUSE RENTS IN PETALUMA AREN'T HIGH ENOUGH TO SUPPORT IT. NEW HOUSING TALLER THAN 45 FEET DOESN'T PENCIL OUT. SO WE DON'T NEED THE OVERLAY. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE GENERAL PLAN, UM, THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE. 'CAUSE I THINK THIS IS WHERE ALL OF THIS DISCUSSION REALLY BELONGS, UH, ABOUT THE VISION FOR DOWNTOWN PETALUMA AND THE VISION FOR THE CITY AS A WHOLE. UM, THE STAFF REPORT TONIGHT HAD A SECTION ON HOW WELL THE OVERLAY ALIGNS WITH THE UPCOMING GENERAL PLAN LAND USE. UM, [04:40:01] STAFF REPORT INDICATES THE MAXIMUM DENSITY BEING PROPOSED IN THE DOWNTOWN URBAN CORE WILL BE 45 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. THAT'S UP FROM 30. SO THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FROM WHAT I SEE. LOOKING AT THE DRAFT VERSION OF THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE THAT'S ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. MAYBE IT'S TOTALLY CHANGED. UM, I GUESS WE'LL SEE THAT AT NEXT WEEK'S COUNCIL MEETING. UM, THAT DRAFT DESCRIBES A MORE ROBUST DOWNTOWN HOUSING DENSITY INCREASE IN THE RANGE OF 55 TO 90 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. THAT'S A BIG JUMP FROM FROM 30 AND A BIG JUMP FROM 45. UM, OTHER PROPOSED CHANGES INCLUDE A HEIGHT INCREASE TO SIX STORIES, A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 70 FEET, BUT A MODEST FLOOR AREA RATIO INCREASE OF ONLY TO 3.5. UM, SO THAT'S JUST, TO ME, THAT'S JUST ANOTHER CLUE THAT IT'S THE HOTEL THAT'S DRIVING THE NEED FOR SUCH A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN BULK AND MASS TO TAKE THAT FAR UP TO SIX, UM, . SO YOU CAN SEE THE GENERAL PLAN SEEMS TO BE A WORK IN PROGRESS AND IT'S GONNA CONTINUE TO BE A WORK IN PROGRESS. WE NEED TO TAKE THE TIME TO ARRIVE AT A COMPREHENSIVE VISION FOR HOW TO GROW UP NOT OUT SUPPORTED BY SOLID ECONOMIC DATA. WE DON'T NEED A PIECEMEAL OVERLAY THAT'S DISGUISED AS A BENEFIT. PLEASE VOTE NO ON THE OVERLAY. LET'S STOP THIS CHARADE AND ALLOW THE NEW AND IMPROVED GENERAL PLAN TO UNFOLD. THANK YOU TOM GAFFEY TO BE FOLLOWED BY TOM LEWIS AT THIS POINT, ANYTHING I COULD SAY WOULD BE SUPERFLUOUS. SO LET'S JUST TRY THIS. EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM WHO IS NOT AFRAID OF CHANGE, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. OKAY, SO MOST OF US ARE NOT AFRAID OF CHANGE. JANICE, WE'RE GLAD YOU'RE NOT AFRAID OF CHANGE EITHER. UM, ONE OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS SAID, UH, SHE'S, SHE DOESN'T WANT TO BE ASKING FOR MONEY FOR US, FROM US ANYMORE. WELL THEN PLEASE DON'T . UH, WE'RE SEEING YOU GUYS SPEND $330,000 ON A BUS THAT DRIVES ACROSS TOWN, TAKING ONE PERSON AT A TIME HERE AND THERE, $200,000 ON A, AN ICE SKATING RINK. 300 SOME ODD THOUSAND DOLLARS ON BIKE LANES ON D STREET THAT NOBODY USES. WE'RE SPENDING MONEY WE DON'T NEED TO SPEND. YOU CAN SPEND IT IF YOU WANT. I REALLY DON'T CARE ABOUT ANY OF THOSE PROJECTS. SPEND IT IF WE HAVE IT. IF WE DON'T HAVE IT, DON'T SPEND IT AND DON'T VOTE FOR THE EIR. ONE MORE THING. UM, WHO IN THIS ROOM IS NOT IN FAVOR OF THE, UH, OVERLAY AND THE HOTEL SHOW OF HANDS? THIS IS NOT TREMENDOUS SUPPORT. SO WHICHEVER ONE OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS SAID THAT THEY'D SEEN TREMENDOUS SUPPORT FOR THIS PROJECT. THAT'S VERY TRUMPISH OF YOU, TOM LEWIS, TO BE FOLLOWED BY SHELENE MARADA. THANK YOU, TOM. THIS, I THINK THIS IS THE NEWSPAPER YOU WERE READING. I'VE BEEN READING THE SAME ONE. UM, AND THE THE KICKER IN THIS ARTICLE IS, UM, BUSINESSES IN THE COMMUNITY HAVE REMAINED PUBLICLY QUIET ON THE ISSUE, OUT OF FEAR OF RETRIBUTION. YOU'VE HEARD FROM SOME REALLY GOOD BUSINESSES IN PETALUMA HERE TONIGHT, AND THEY'RE NOT AFRAID OF RETRIBUTION. WHEN WE STARTED PETALUMA HISTORIC ADVOCATES, WE WERE THE ONES THAT WERE AFRAID OF RETRIBUTION. BUT HERE WE ARE. AND HERE YOU ARE. AND CONGRATULATIONS ON, I DON'T KNOW, THREE YEARS OF EFFORT TO PUT THIS ALL TOGETHER. AND HERE'S YOUR VOTE. AND ACCORDING TO THIS ARTICLE, YOU'RE ALL DIALED IN. WE NEED, WE NEED BUILDUP. NOT WILLING TO SAY NO BECAUSE THE BENEFITS OUTWEIGH THE CONS. I'M NOT AFRAID OF CHANGE. YOU ALL SHOULD BE RECUSING YOURSELF TONIGHT. AND THAT GENTLEMAN IN MY DISTRICT CAN'T BE HERE TO SPEAK HIS MIND REGARDLESS OF HOW YOU'VE SLAM DUNK THIS. IT'S LIKE A MICHAEL JORDAN SLAM DUNK. YOU'RE GOOD. BUT YOU WOULDN'T LET ALEX SPEAK TONIGHT FROM MY DISTRICT. HOW IS THAT? WHY IS THAT? YOU'VE WON. WE'RE AT THE CROSSROADS. YOU'VE DECIDED WHICH ROAD WE'RE GOING DOWN. AND BELIEVE ME, THE ROAD, THE JOURNEY IS NOT OVER. OKAY, WE'RE JUST GETTING STARTED. JUST GETTING STARTED. [04:45:01] HERE IS DAY ONE. LET'S KEEP THAT IN MIND. AND I THINK WE'RE ALL, WE'RE NOT GOING AWAY. WE'RE NOT GOING AWAY. THE PROPERTY AT ACE HARDWARE AND THE PROPERTY YOU WANNA BUILD THIS HOTEL ON ARE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IN, THEY'RE STILL THERE. THANK YOU. UM, SELENA MARDO TO BE FOLLOWED BY DON MARDO. ARE YOU IN CHARGE OF THE TIME? I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT THAT'S, UH, SOMEONE HAS SEATED TIME TO SELENA. TWO PEOPLE HAVE IS RHONDA BEACH, UH, BLACK IN THE HOUSE? YES. THANK YOU. AND DON MARADA AS WELL IS DON. DON IS SEATING, UH, TIME AS WELL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. UH, SO IT'S TWO MINUTES ONLY. OKAY. MY NAME IS SHALEENA MARDA. I'M A LOCAL FIFTH GENERATION DAIRY FARMER AND AN INTERNATIONAL MOTORCYCLE RACER. THROUGH MY CAREER, I HAVE TRAVELED MUCH OF THE WORLD AND THERE IS NOTHING LIKE PETALUMA. I'M VERY INVOLVED IN THIS AMAZING COMMUNITY IN MANY WAYS BECAUSE I STRONGLY BELIEVE IN OUR COMMUNITY. THIS OVERLAY THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING WILL HAVE A MASSIVE EFFECT ON OUR COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE, NOT JUST THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES AND NOT JUST THE IMMEDIATE SURROUNDING AREA OF TOWN. YET THAT'S ALL YOU'RE APPARENTLY CONSIDERING. MAKING IT SOUND SO PRETTY. LIKE IT DOESN'T OPEN US UP TO BIG BUILDINGS AND CORPORATIONS THAT NONE OF US WANT. THIS TOWN IS NOT LIKE THE OTHERS. I'VE GOTTA ASK A FEW THINGS. EMBRACING LOCAL CULTURAL HERITAGE OR, OR REDEFINING WHAT MAKES PETALUMA PETALUMA? NEXT ONE, MONEY OR GREED OR INTEGRITY. THE NEXT ONE, CORPORATIONS OR SMALL BUSINESSES. WHO DO YOU WANT TO SEE WHEN BRINGING IN CORPORATIONS NEVER BODES WELL FOR SMALL LOCAL BUSINESSES? THIS OPENS PANDORA'S BOX TO MORE AND MORE CORPORATIONS IN OUR TOWN. AND YOU PURPOSELY SQUASHING ALL OF OUR SMALL BUSINESSES AND THE CHARACTER HERE. WHAT'S WITH THAT? ONE OF THE BIGGEST ARGUMENTS I HEAR IS THAT WE NEED TO BOOST PETALUMA ECONOMY. TOURISM IS A MAJOR CONTRIBUTOR TO OUR REVENUES IN SONOMA COUNTY. MUCH OF PETALUMA TOURISM TOURISM REVOLVES AROUND THE LOCAL CULTURAL HERITAGE AND OUR HISTORIC DOWNTOWN. OUR DOWNTOWN IS LITERALLY FAMOUS. IT'S IN MOVIES AND IS A TOURIST DESTINATION. TOURIST WEBSITES SAY PETALUMA, CALIFORNIA IS A CHARMING CITY LOCATED IN SONOMA COUNTY, JUST NORTH OF SAN FRANCISCO, KNOWN FOR ITS HISTORIC DOWNTOWN AND RICH AGRICULTURAL ROOTS. I QUOTE, ONE OF THE TOP THINGS TO DO IN PETALUMA IS EXPLORE THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN. DOWNTOWN PETALUMA IS A DELIGHTFUL AREA FILLED WITH CHARM AND HISTORY. THE STREETS ARE LINED WITH BEAUTIFULLY PRESERVED VICTORIAN BUILDINGS THAT GIVE THE TOWN ITS UNIQUE CHARACTER. THEY ALSO MENTION OUR FAMOUS FARMER'S MARKETS WITH LOCAL FOOD. I'LL, I'LL ADD VISIT. PETALUMA ITSELF SAYS, STEP INTO THE PAST IN PETALUMA'S WALKABLE, HISTORIC DOWNTOWN, IT SAYS THAT WE HAVE SOME OF THE BEST REPRESENTATIONS OF IRON FRONT ARCHITECTURE IN THE ENTIRE UNITED STATES. SO DO YOU REALLY WANT TO OVERSHADOW AND DIMINISH ALL OF THIS? I PERSONALLY HAVE CEOS AND CMOS FROM BIG COMPANIES COME THROUGH OUR TOWN, COMPANIES LIKE DUCATI, PINTEREST, COVERGIRL. I'M REAL HAPPY TO PROVIDE A FURTHER LIST IF YOU WOULD REQUIRE IT. ALL OF THESE PROFESSIONALS TRAVEL EXTENSIVELY AND ALL COMMENT ABOUT THE ABSOLUTELY UNIQUE DOWNTOWN WE HAVE HERE. THEY SAY, AND I QUOTE, IT TRANSPORTS THEM TO A TIME WHERE FAMILIES HAD DINNERS TOGETHER AND NEIGHBORHOOD KIDS PLAYED BASKETBALL IN THE STREETS TOGETHER. EVERYONE SAYS THERE'S NOTHING LIKE THIS PLACE THAT WE GET TO CALL HOME PETALUMA. YET SOME OF YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT UNIQUE CHARACTER AWAY, WHY YOU'RE NOT CONSIDERING WHAT YOUR COMMUNITY VALUES AS YOU RAMROD THIS THING THROUGH. AND FORCE HOMOGENIZATION HOW TO BREATHE MONEY INTO OUR TOWN. DON'T BE LAZY. THINK LIKE A BUSINESS PERSON OR TALK TO THE BUSINESS PEOPLE. EMBRACE THE CHARM AND CHARACTER OF OUR TOWN. ANY OF YOU CLAIMING THAT ALL THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES WANT THIS OVERLAY AND HOTEL HAVE ONLY LISTENED TO THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES THAT SUPPORT YOUR STATEMENT? I CAN TELL YOU THAT THAT IS NOT THE CASE. STOP BEING DECEPTIVE AND STOP BEING LAZY. THE WAY YOU'RE RUNNING THIS TOWN IS DOWNRIGHT INEFFICIENT AND CLEARLY INEFFECTIVE. SO, SO MANY VACANT BUILDINGS ALL OVER TOWN. [04:50:01] HOW DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO BUILD A BRAND NEW BUILDING? YOU'RE NOT EVEN USING WHAT YOU ALREADY HAVE YET. YOU WANT MORE. WHY ISN'T THE CITY FIGURING OUT WHY THESE BUSINESSES AREN'T SUCCEEDING RATHER THAN AIMING FOR INSTANT GRATIFICATION? WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, YOU NEED TO LEARN WHAT SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS WANT AND NEED IN ORDER TO BE SUSTAINABLE. DURING MEASURE JI LEARNED THAT PEOPLE COME TO PETALUMA FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTY BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME OF THE COOLEST RESTAURANTS AND BEST LOCAL FOOD, AND THEY LIKE THE CHARM. DID YOU ALL KNOW THAT? I'M NOT USUALLY WILLING TO DRIVE OVER TO CALISTOGA FOR DINNER BECAUSE IT'S A LONG DRIVE. YET PEOPLE FROM HEALDSBURG, SEBASTOPOL, CALISTOGA, THEY ALL FREQUENTLY COME TO PETALUMA. WHY NOT HELP ELEVATE THE BUSINESSES WE ALREADY HAVE HERE AS WELL? I KNOW THAT THE LACK OF VISITORS ISN'T WHAT'S KEEPING THE LOCAL BUSINESSES VACANT. OUR CITY TAKES YEARS TO APPROVE MINOR CHANGES TO THE SMALLEST OF BUSINESSES AROUND HERE. NOT SURE IF I'M SUPPOSED TO BRING IT UP, BUT ELROY, WHICH WE ALL KNOW AND LOVE, HAS REMODELED AN ENTIRE BUILDING IN RUNUP PARK WHILE AWAITING ONLY AN APPROVAL TO MOVE IN TO THEIR PETALUMA SITE BY WALNUT PARK, WHICH HAS BEEN SURROUNDED BY A CHAIN LINK FENCE FOR YEARS. THEY AREN'T THE ONES DRAGGING THEIR FEET. PEOPLE WOULD FREQUENT THEIR RESTAURANT. THEY HAVE A CONSISTENT LINE FOR THEIR TACO TRUCKS. SO WHY IS THE CITY TAKING SO LONG? YOU'RE, YOU'RE LITERALLY VOTING TO BRING IN CORPORATIONS WHO WILL END UP SQUASHING THEM. AND THESE ARE THE VERY MINORITIES YOU SAY YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO AND PRIORITIZE. PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS BECAUSE I'M NOT SEEING IT. AND THEN TO MAKE ALEX RECUSE HIMSELF, Y'ALL MAKE DISTRICTS TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE'S REPRESENTED, BUT THEN YOU WON'T ALLOW A FULL DISTRICT TO HAVE A VOTE WHO REPRESENTS THEM. NOW YOU NEVER ANSWERED THAT. NOBODY ASKED HOW RECUSAL WORKS. THEY ASKED WHO WILL REPRESENT THEM. YOU ALL ARE REALLY PLAYING GAMES WITH DI CARLY. HE'S A NEWLY RE ELECTED REPRESENTATIVE. GREAT THINGS HAPPEN WHEN WE ALL COMMUNICATE RATHER THAN GASLIGHTING OTHERS' VALID CONCERNS. PLEASE PROTECT PETALUMA, THE STORY OF PETALUMA, THE HISTORY OF PETALUMA AND THE COMMUNITY OF PETALUMA. THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU DAVID KELLER TO BE FOLLOWED BY JOHN ON OH, UH, JOHN'S TIME IS SEATED TO DAVID KELLER RIGHT HERE. GOOD EVENING. I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT WAS JUST SAID AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THIS COLLECTION OF PEOPLE, OUR FELLOW TOWN, PEOPLE BEING HERE. SO I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL. UM, MR. QUINN, THIS IS YOUR FIRST ON THIS SUBJECT. UM, SO I HAVE TO EXCLUDE YOU IN IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I WANNA SAY. I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THE QUESTIONS YOU HAD EARLIER. UM, FOR ALL THE PROMISES OF ECONOMIC WONDERS, TOURISM JOBS, AND THE ILLUSION OF GOLD FOR THE CITY'S TREASURY, YOU HAVE CHOSEN TO GIVE UP SOMETHING FAR MORE VALUABLE, THE TRUST AND GOOD FAITH OF OUR SMART AND DEDICATED PETALUMA COMMUNITY. RATHER THAN WELCOMING PUBLIC BUSINESS AND PROPERTY OWNERS INTO AN ENGAGED, COLLABORATIVE AND CREATIVE CONVERSATION AND DEBATE ABOUT A PROPOSED HOTEL, THE TAIL WAGGING THE DOG OF THE OVERLAY DISTRICT. YOU'VE CONSISTENTLY CLOSED THE DOOR AS THE FEIR RESPONSES TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. FREQUENTLY STATES, QUOTE, WE HAVE DONE ALL THAT CE QL REQUIRES, OR CE QA DOES NOT OBLIGATE US TO DISCUSS OR EVALUATE THOSE REQUESTS OR OBJECTIONS OR YOUR TWO MINUTES ARE UP. YOU'VE CHOSEN THE MINIMUM NUMBER OF PUBLIC MEETINGS, YOU'VE CHOSEN THE MINIMUM REQUIRED PUBLIC NOTICE AND COMMENT PERIODS. YOU'VE OMITTED ALL VERBAL COMMENTS RECEIVED AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS. THAT MEANS PEOPLE WHO STAYED UNTIL MIDNIGHT, ONE O'CLOCK, TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING AT SOME OF THOSE MEETINGS. NONE OF THOSE COMMENTS ARE IN THE FINAL EIR AND NO RESPONSES THAT VIOLATE CQA. THOSE WERE COMMENTS ON THE RECORD. YOU REFUSE TO REQUIRE HOTEL STORY POLLS AND YOU REFUSE TO POST ANY ONSITE SIGNS OR POSTERS AND ACCURATE REPRESENTATIONS THAT ANY OF AREA A, BC ZONES AND PROPERTIES. I ASKED THAT FOR A WEEK AND THE ANSWER WAS NO, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO IT. WE'RE NOT REQUIRED. YOU CHOSE TO RELEASE 1500 PAGES OF THE FINAL EIR ON FRIDAY THE 14TH, LEAVING ONLY SIX BUSINESS DAYS TO READ, DIGEST, AND UNDERSTAND THE BASIS FOR YOUR CQA [04:55:01] REQUIRED FULLY INFORMED DECISION MAKING. THAT'S A LEGAL STANDARD. AGAIN, THIS IS THE MINIMUM THAT CQA REQUIRES. IT'S A HELL OF A VALENTINE'S DAY PRESENT. I HAVE TO DOUBT THAT ALL OF YOU HAVE EVEN EVEN COMPLETED READING THE DOCUMENT YET I SUSPECT VERY FEW IN THE PUBLIC HAVE. THAT IS NOT THE BASIS FOR SOUND INTELLIGENT AND INVOLVED COMMUNITY BUILDING OR DECISION MAKING. CE A IS BUT ONE TOOL. BUT YOU HAVE CONSISTENTLY CHOSEN TO MINIMIZE AND IGNORE EFFECTIVE PUBLIC SERVICE. PUBLIC NOTICE RATHER, THE NEEDS FOR REAL ECONOMIC DATA INFORMATION SURVEYS OF BUSINESSES AND PROPERTY OWNERS AND THE SUCCESSES AND VALUES OF OUR ACTUAL EXISTING HISTORIC DOWNTOWN DISTRICT. SOME OF YOU ALREADY HAVE MADE UP YOUR MINDS A LONG TIME AGO AND HAVE ALREADY PUBLICLY STATED HOW YOU VOTE. AND SOME OF YOU HAVE ACTIVELY DISPARAGED AND DEMEANING DISSENTED DISSENTING VOICES. YET OUR PETALUMA COMMUNITY REQUIRES FAR MORE THAN YOUR MINIMUM. YOU KNOW THAT AND YOU'VE CHOSEN TO FAIL. NO DOUBT YOU'VE EARNED THE TRUST AND FAITH OF EKN AND THEIR MARKETING TEAM, BUT YOU'VE LOST THE TRUST OF OUR SMART, LIVELY, AND PASSIONATE COMMUNITY. DON'T KILL THE GOOSE THAT HAS LAID THE GOLDEN EGG. THAT IS OUR HISTORIC DOWNTOWN. AND YOU'RE DOING IT STEP BY STEP BY IGNORING THE VERY PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THIS ROOM AND HAVE TAKEN THE TIME OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS TO PARTICIPATE BUT HAVE NOT BEEN WELCOME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU DEBORAH MARADA AS OKAY, UM, SHOULD BE FOLLOWED BY HEATHER GALLAGHER. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS DEBRA MARADA. I'M MARRIED TO DON MARADA JR. WE ARE A LOCAL DAIRY FAMILY. HIS GREAT-GRANDFATHER WORKED AND OWN THE SAME ORGANIC MILKING DAIRY RANCH. WE OWN AND OPERATE ALONG WITH OUR ADULT KIDS AND GRANDKIDS THAT ARE SIXTH GENERATION. THIS WILL HAVE A HUGE EFFECT ON THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. WE DON'T WANT IT A FEW REASON TO BE AGAINST THIS NEW OVERLAY. AND HOTEL PARKING IS ALREADY BAD AND TRAFFIC IS TURNING INTO A PARKING LOT. IT WILL OVERSHADOW THE OTHER OLDER BUSINESSES AND BUILDINGS. THIS BRINGS CORPORATIONS IN, WHICH PUTS PRESSURE ON SMALL BUSINESSES. I WANT TO QUOTE AN ARTICLE ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF COMMUNITY CULTURE. LOCAL COACH CULTURE PROVIDES A SENSE OF IDENTITY FOR COMMUNITIES AND RESIDENTS. THIS IDENTITY BUILDS COMMON UNDERSTANDINGS, TRADITIONS AND VALUES. CULTURE CONTRIBUTES TO BUILDING A SENSE OF LOCAL IDENTITY AND SOLITARY. IT INFLUENCES THE CONFIDENCE COMMUNITY HAVE FOR COMING TOGETHER TO ADDRESS SPECIFIC NEEDS AND PROBLEMS. UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T THINK YOU GET IT. THE MAJORITY OF LOCAL PETAL LUMENS SPOKE WHEN WE VOTED FOR NO UNMEASURED J IT WAS 85.3 IN OUR FAVOR. AND A HUGE SUCCESS TO KEEP THINGS LOCAL AND NOT OVERCROWDING. THIS IS THE CULTURE OF PETALUMA. YOUR ENVIRONMENTAL LEGACY SHOULD NOT BE BUILDING MORE HOUSING OR INCREASING THE OVERLAY. IT SHOULD BE ABOUT IMPROVING AGRICULTURE. BUT YET YOU'RE DESTROYING IT. SHAME ON YOU. YOU SHOULD HAVE STOPPED THIS IN THE BEGINNING BEFORE IT WENT THIS FAR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU HEATHER GALLAGHER, TO BE FOLLOWED BY ISAIAH GONZALEZ ZALES. I AM HEATHER GALLAGHER OF DISTRICT FIVE. MANY ELECTED LEADERS THINK ABOUT RIGHT NOW OR FIVE YEARS FROM NOW WITH AN EVER GENERAL PLAN. IT'S HARD FOR COUNCIL TO SEE THE FUTURE. PETALUMA IS THE ONLY TOWN IN SONOMA COUNTY LEFT THAT HAS THE CURB APPEAL THAT IT DOES. ALL THE TOWNS ARE CUTE, BUT THE CHARM PETALUMA HAS WHERE LOCALS FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTY AND SURROUNDING COUNTIES WANNA LIVE HERE. THAT'S AMAZING. PEOPLE FROM [05:00:01] ALL PARTS OF THE COUNTY AND COUNTLESS TOURISTS COME TO WALK. OUR HISTORIC CHARMING TOWN PADDLE OUR SLEW TO EAT SHOP AND ENJOY OUR OPEN SPACES. THAT'S GOOD FOR PETALUMA. LARGER HOTELS ARE ONLY GOOD FOR THE MOMENT AND WE HAVE A FEW ALREADY BUILT THAT AREN'T AT CAPACITY. WHAT PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE ARE STAYING IN HOTELS VERSUS AIRBNBS, VRBO AND TRADITIONAL BED AND BREAKFAST? THE OVERLAYS, PROPOSED PROJECTS THREATEN THE FIRE, OUR FIRE AND EMERGENCY EVACUATION WITH AN AB AND C PROJECT OF THE SIZE PROPOSED LIMITS, THE ACCESSIBILITY OF FIRE TRUCKS. HOW WILL THE CURRENT EMERGENCY PLAN BE IMPACTED? THE SINGLE LANE ROADS AND PETALUMA ARE VAST. OUR EXISTING RESIDENTS AND OUR RURAL RESIDENTS WILL BE IN DANGER IF THIS OVERLAY UTILIZES ITS MAXIMUMS. THE REWARD OF THE OVERLAY PROPOSED PROJECTS IS MORE, UM, OPTIONS FOR TOURISTS. THE RISK IS THE TOURISTS WILL GO SOMEWHERE ELSE BECAUSE IT'S NOT PETALUMA ANY LONGER. I KNOW GROWTH IS INEVITABLE, BUT THE TALLEST BUILDING IS WITHIN THE MEANS OF OUR TOWN. THE OVERLAY IS PROPOSING ABOUT SIX TO NINE STORIES HIGH EXPANSIVE BUILDINGS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ISAIAH GONZALEZ TO BE FOLLOWED BY BEN PETERS. ISAIAH, ARE YOU HERE? ISAIAH. AND WE HAVE JOE CHAPMAN SEATING TIME TO YOU AS WELL. JOE, ARE YOU HERE? UM, GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. UH, I AM SO GRATEFUL TO THE AMOUNT OF COMMUNITY THAT HAS COME OUT HERE TO VOICE THEIR OPINION TONIGHT. ESPECIALLY GIVEN THAT THIS MEETING WAS FOR SOME REASON STARTED AT FIVE 30 TONIGHT AS OPPOSED TO THE USUAL SIX 30 TO GO OVER AND SKIP THROUGH A BUNCH OF THINGS THAT SHOULD HAVE HONESTLY BEEN GIVEN EQUALLY THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME AS THIS TOPIC BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE THINGS ARE INCREDIBLY INTERSECTIONAL. UM, THE VERY ADAMANT OPPOSITION TO THIS HOTEL PLAN FROM THE COMMUNITY IS DIRECTLY REFLECTIVE OF A LOT OF THE BIGGER ISSUES THAT WE HAVE THROUGHOUT THIS TOWN, GIVEN THE CONFLICTS THAT WE HAVE WITH THE HISTORY. WELL, HONESTLY, VERY DEEPLY BURIED, IGNORED, UNRECOGNIZED, AND SILENCED HISTORY OF WHAT WAS THE HISTORY LIKE THE LANDS HERE PRIOR TO JUST CALLING IT THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA BECAUSE PRIOR TO THAT IT WAS THE UNITED MEXICAN STATES. AND PRIOR TO THAT IT WAS A TERRITORY OF SPAIN'S AND RUSSIA'S. AND PRIOR TO THAT, WE'RE ALL STANDING ON STOLEN, UM, COAST MEOC AND SOUTHERN POMO LAND. WHERE'S THEIR VOICE IN ANY OF THIS? HONESTLY, 'CAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CREATING HIGH DENSITY, HISTORIC DOWNTOWN PETALUMA, BUT WE DON'T EVEN WANNA RECOGNIZE OR TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT SOME OF THOSE OLD VICTORIAN HOMES ON B STREET D STREET AND SUCH HAVE SLAVE QUARTERS AS PART OF THEIR ARCHITECTURE. WE HEAR ALL THE TIME THAT WE DON'T WANT TO TURN INTO SAN FRANCISCO, SAN JOSE AND SUCH. AND I'LL TELL YOU THAT I DIDN'T GRADUATE FROM PETALUMA HIGH SCHOOL ON TIME. I WOUND UP AT TRUANCY COURT FOR MISS STATES BECAUSE MY MINORITY FAMILY THAT EXPERIENCED CHRONIC DISPLACEMENT HERE WOUND UP HAVING TO MOVE IN WITH OUR GRANDPARENTS IN THE SAN FRANCISCO MISSION DISTRICT AND COMMUTED DURING MY FRESHMAN AND SOPHOMORE YEAR SO THAT I COULD KEEP UP STAYING ENROLLED AT PETALUMA HIGH SCHOOL. BECAUSE AT THAT POINT I HAD FOUR YOUNGER SIBLINGS ALSO AT GRANT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, UM, PETALUMA JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL, AND THE [05:05:01] IMPORTANCE OF KEEPING US ROOTED IN THIS COMMUNITY, A COMMUNITY WHERE MY GRANDPARENTS, AS I'VE SAID IN THIS ROOM BEFORE, PURCHASED THEIR HOME IN 1999. A BRAND NEW DEVELOPMENT FOR $200,000. A BEAUTIFUL THREE BEDROOM. 8 8 8 HOLLY LANE, THAT LYNCH CREEK, UM, TRAIL AND ALL THAT RIGHT THERE USED TO BE A ROCK QUARRY. I REMEMBER WHEN THE TARGET SHOPPING CENTER WAS A BUNCH OF REDWOOD TREES. I WAS JUST TELLING MY SON THAT MY SON, WHO HAS ANXIETY OVER TOYS AT TARGET AND WHATNOT. 'CAUSE WE'VE BEEN ON SECTION EIGHT FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS. UM, I TOLD HIM ABOUT HOW THERE USED TO BE ALL THOSE BEAUTIFUL TREES THERE AT THE TARGET SHOPPING CENTER. AND HOW ONCE UPON A TIME WE MIGHT'VE PROPERLY MANAGED THE LAND AND DEVELOPED THAT MAYBE INTO A WALKABLE FOREST, BUT INSTEAD WE TURNED IT INTO A SHOPPING CENTER WITH TESLA CHARGING PORTS. AND THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT I FORESEE HAPPENING IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA HERE. THE WAY THAT WE'RE TREATING IT. THERE'S SO MUCH MORE THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO RECOGNIZE THE FACT THAT WE'RE ALSO UNDERGOING A COUP AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL. WE MIGHT NOT EVEN BE HERE FOR THIS. SO THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU BEN PETERS TO BE FOLLOWED BY JANE HAMILTON. HEY EVERYONE. UH, BEN PETERS, UH, NATIVE SON OF PETALUMA. SO, UH, I DO SUPPORT THE OVERLAY. SO FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT I DO NOT EXIST, I DO EXIST. AND I COME HERE TO SPEAK THE SF CHRONICLE ARTICLE THAT HAS BEEN MENTIONED. THE HEADLINE WAS A DAY TRIP TO THE PAST, A DAY TRIP TO THE PAST. THE SECOND SPEAKER SAID, WHERE ARE THE PEOPLE AND WHERE ARE THE PROJECTS? OKAY, I'M A PERSON. I'M HERE, I'M FROM HERE. AND WHERE ARE THE PROJECTS? HERE'S ANOTHER NEWSPAPER ARTICLE. FIRE BURNS PEDALING WITH BUSINESS BUSINESS DECEMBER 10TH, 2017. THAT'S THE 1 31 LIBERTY RUINS, WHICH IS STILL RUINS EIGHT YEARS LATER. IF ALL THIS OVERLAID ZONE DID WAS ALLOW THE HOTEL TO BE BUILT WITH GREAT ARCHITECTURE OR WHATEVER, BUT IT ALLOWED THAT ONE SINGLE MIXED USE PROJECT TO GO FROM THREE STORIES TO SIX SO THAT YOU COULD HAVE TWO STORIES OF MIXED USE AND THREE STORIES OF HOUSING, WE WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE HOUSING BUILT IN OUR TOWN. I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE ENJOY THE SIGNIFICANT BENEFITS OF PROPOSITION 13. AND I AM STUCK WITH MY TWO CHILDREN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW I CAN STAY IN THIS TOWN BECAUSE THERE IS NO HOUSING BEING BUILT FOR US AND I NEED IT SO THAT I CAN STAY HERE. PLEASE THINK ABOUT THE FAMILIES WHO CAN'T COME AND SPEAK HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE THEY HAVE YOUNG CHILDREN. IF YOU BENEFIT FROM PROP. TH I THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT'S THE TWO MINUTES I GO QUICKLY. AND, UH, OUR LAST SPEAKER TONIGHT IS JANE HAMILTON. SO IS THERE ANYTHING THAT ANYBODY CAN SAY HERE TONIGHT THAT WOULD MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE TO ANY OF YOU, UH, READING IN THE ARGUS THAT A MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL ARE PLANNING TO APPROVE THIS PROJECT BEFORE YOU'VE EVEN HAD A CHANCE TO SEE THE FINAL EIR, LET ALONE HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC, MAKES THIS PROCESS AN INSULTING CHARADE FOR ME. YOU SHOULD ALL RECUSE YOURSELVES, OR AT LEAST SEVERAL OF YOU FOR THE BIAS THAT YOU'VE DISPLAYED OVER AND OVER IN THE LAST TWO YEARS. BRIAN BARNACLES HAS BEEN POSTING ON NEXTDOOR THAT IS DISINGENUOUS OF PHA TO SHOW VISUALIZATIONS OF EXACTLY WHAT THE OVERLAY WILL ALLOW. EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE 100% ACCURATE, HE ADMITS IT WON'T INCREASE DENSITY AND THEREFORE ANY HOUSING THAT'S BUILT WILL ONLY BE THREE TO FOUR STORIES. WHAT ABOUT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT? WAS HOUSING JUST A CONVENIENT TALKING POINT FOR A WHILE UNTIL IT WAS CHALLENGED? WHY HASN'T THE CITY DONE YOUR OWN MODELING OR STORY POLLS DISINGENUOUS. WHY DON'T YOU PLAINLY ADMIT THE OVERLAY IS ONLY TO ALLOW THE HOTEL THE CITY BUNDLED UP. SOME FEEL GOOD [05:10:01] THINGS LIKE HOUSING AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY. THE COUNCIL PARADED THAT AROUND FOR A WHILE UNTIL IT WAS OBVIOUS THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO PRODUCE HOUSING. AND THERE'S NO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY. YOU'VE MONKEYED WITH THE BOUNDARIES OF THE ZONES BECAUSE IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER WHAT THE BOUNDARIES ARE. IT IS ONLY BEING DONE TO APPROVE THE HOTEL. A HOTEL MOST OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS DON'T WANT AS DESIGNED. SO MANY SALES TYPE ARGUMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN TOSSED AROUND AND NONE OF THEM REALLY BEAR UP UNDER SCRUTINY. YOU'VE BEEN SOLD A BILL OF GOODS AND NOW YOU'RE TRYING TO SELL IT TO THE PUBLIC AND THE PUBLIC ISN'T BUYING IT. DO YOU REALLY WANT THIS KIND OF A FIGHT WITH THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE IN YOUR TOWN? THIS WILL AFFECT OUR WHOLE COMMUNITY IN A VERY NEGATIVE WAY, AND IT ALREADY HAS AT THIS TIME WHEN OUR DEMOCRACY'S BEING TORN APART AND TRASHED, DO YOU REALLY WANNA ALIGN YOURSELF WITH THAT TYPE OF HAM HANDED COMMUNITY DESTRUCTION? AND THAT'S HOW I SEE IT. IT'S ALIGNED WITH WHAT ELSE, WHAT'S GOING ON NATIONALLY. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU'LL BE DOING BY LAYING THE GROUNDWORK FOR THIS PROJECT AGAINST THE OVERWHELMING OBJECTIONS OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS. PLEASE DO BETTER THAN THIS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THAT CLOSES, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE NIGHT I BRING IT BACK UP TO COUNCIL. UM, THAT'S BEEN A LOT OF TESTIMONY AND I REALLY APPRECIATE, APPRECIATE EVERYBODY SPEAKING TONIGHT. I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS AND STRETCH OUR LEGS TO COME BACK AND GET TO THE LAST PIECE OF THIS. GOOD. OKAY, NOW THE MEETING IS BACK TO ORDER AND I'LL BRING IT UP TO THE COUNCIL HERE FOR COMMENTS. AND I'M TRYING TO GET A LITTLE ORDER IN THE AUDIENCE THERE, A LITTLE SIT DOWN TIME. THANK YOU. UH, THAT'S PERFECT. NOW EVERYBODY'S BACK IN THEIR SEATS. GOOD. ALL RIGHT, HERE WE GO. IT'S CALLED GEN H. GEN H IS IN IN THE FAVOR OF THE OKAY. GEN H. WELL, UM, AGAIN, I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY COMING AND, UH, STAYING, UH, SO LATE INTO THE EVENING. UM, OBVIOUSLY IT'S BEEN A, A CONVERSATION THAT'S BEEN ONGOING IN THE COMMUNITY FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW, UM, WITH LOTS OF TWISTS AND TURNS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I I I REALIZE IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT THING TO COME AND SPEAK TO AN AUDIENCE THAT, UM, DOESN'T, THAT YOU DON'T BELIEVE IS LISTENING. AND I THINK IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THAT TRANSACTIONAL SIDE IS TOO DIRECTIONAL. UH, IT'S BEEN MY PRACTICE AND, AND, UH, EXPERIENCE IN THIS GROUP IS THAT, UM, VERY OFTEN, UM, WE HAVE A, A, A CIVIL DISCOURSE THAT LEADS AN UNDERSTANDING AND RESPECT FOR THE POSITION OF THE PEOPLE WHO HOLD A DIFFERENT POSITION THAN, UH, ONESELF. SO I AM SADDENED TO NOT BE SEEING THAT HERE TONIGHT, BUT I AM ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN THAT THE COUNCIL HEARS YOU AND WHATEVER DIRECTION THE COUNCIL TAKES IS IN CONSIDERATION OF YOUR COMMENTS. WE ARE LISTENING. MAY NOT BE THAT YOUR PREFERENCE IS CHOSEN, BUT IT IS US LISTENING. AND I HOPE THE SAME IS CAN BE SAID FOR YOU IF YOU ALL STAND UP AND SAY THAT YOU'VE HEARD WHAT THE COUNCIL'S PERSPECTIVE IS AND RESPECT THAT AS WELL. UM, A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT CAME UP DURING COMMENTS. ONE WAS ABOUT A COUNCIL MEMBER'S RECUSAL. AND AS NOTED AT THE TIME, THAT IS NOT A COUNCIL, UH, LAW, THAT'S NOT CITY LAW, THAT'S A STATE LAW. AND THAT ADVICE IS PROVIDED BETWEEN ANY COUNCIL MEMBER AND MANY OF US PAST COUNCIL MEMBERS, CURRENT COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE HAD TO RECUSE ON ITEMS BEFORE, AND IT ALWAYS FRUSTRATES US. ANOTHER NOTE IS THE CITY HAS MOVED INTO DISTRICT ELECTIONS AND YOU HAVE VOTED FOR ONE COUNCIL PERSON, BUT THE FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE CITY AS A WHOLE REMAINS WITH THE WHOLE OF THE COUNCIL. YOU ARE STILL REPRESENTED. THE, UM, OTHER ONE, UM, I WANTED TO TOUCH ON WAS THAT, UM, A LOT OF THIS DISCUSSION HAS BEEN CARRIED ON NOT JUST IN PUBLIC MEETINGS, BUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA. AND SOCIAL MEDIA DOESN'T BRING OUT THE BEST OF US. WE PARTICIPATE IN IT, THE BEST OF US PARTICIPATE IN IT, BUT IT OFTEN ACCRUES TO THE WORST OF US, THE MOST, UH, HURTFUL THINGS, RUMORS BEING REPEATED, UH, ALLEGATIONS WITHOUT FACT. AND SO, UH, SOCIAL MEDIA IS WONDERFUL AT PROVIDING A LOT OF INFORMATION IN A COMMUNITY, BUT IT'S [05:15:01] NOT ALWAYS THE BEST AT HAVING FACTS IN A COMMUNITY. SO IT IS A DIFFICULT PLACE FOR THE PUBLIC DIALOGUE TO OCCUR. UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK LISTENING TO THE TRAGEDY THAT IS OUR NATIONAL POLITICS RIGHT NOW, AND TRUMPIAN NATURE CAN BE TOTALLY CREDITED TO SOCIAL MEDIA. AND SO WHEN THE DEBATE IS CONDUCTED THERE, WHEN FACTS ARE TRADED OR NON FACTS ARE TRADED THERE, THE DIALOGUE IS NOT IMPROVED. IT'S BETTER TO CONTACT AN INDIVIDUAL AND HAVE THAT DIALOGUE WITH INDIVIDUALS. UM, SO, UH, AND I ALSO WANTED TO NOTE THAT I THINK YES, UM, , A LOT OF THE ISSUES THE COUNCIL TALKS ABOUT, THE COMMUNITY IS CONCERNED ABOUT. I AGREE WITH OUR SPEAKER, IT'S, IT'S, UM, INTERSECTIONAL TO A LARGE EXTENT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THINGS LIKE GENERATIONAL WEALTH, INCOME INEQUALITY, TAX INEQUALITY, BIG HARD ISSUES TO SOLVE. SO WHEN WE PUT TOGETHER PLANNING POLICY, HOUSING POLICY, ECONOMIC POLICY, WE ALL NEED TO KNOW WHAT PERSPECTIVE WE'RE STARTING FROM. YOU KNOW, DO WE HAVE GOOD SECURE HOUSING? HAVE WE LIVED IN A COMMUNITY AND HAVE OUR CAREERS WELL IN HAND? ARE WE THOSE WHO DO NOT HAVE THAT HOUSING? ARE WE THOSE THAT PAY TREMENDOUS AMOUNTS OF OUR PERCENTAGE OF OUR INCOMES FOR THAT? ARE WE HOUSING INSECURE AS GENERATION H AND OTHERS HAVE PUT TREMENDOUS DATA ON THIS SUBJECT? AND ALL OF OUR COUNCIL ATTENDS NUMEROUS PLANNING AND HOUSING, UH, IN INFORMATION SESSIONS. AND SO WE PULLED TOGETHER A BROAD PERSPECTIVE, A BROAD VIEW OF, OF WHAT OUR COMMUNITY NEEDS AND WHAT THE DYNAMICS OF THE WORLD AND OUR COUNTY AND OUR CITY ARE. SO A LOT OF THAT IS JUST BACKGROUND TO WHERE WE ARE WITH THIS IDEA. AND I'LL LEAD OFF A LITTLE BIT ON THE WHOLE OF THE, UM, PROJECT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT. THE HOTEL CAME BEFORE US, THE HOTEL WAS APPLIED FOR, AND IT, UH, WAS ONE OF THE FEW THINGS THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED IN THE DOWNTOWN IN A VERY LONG TIME. THE THEATER SQUARE THAT WE WERE SO HAPPY WITH, NOW THAT'S 20 YEARS OLD OR COMING UP ON 20 YEARS OLD. THAT'S THE THE LAST MAJOR CHANGE IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. SO, UM, MANY OF US LOOKED AND SAID, WELL, THERE WAS A PROPOSAL FOR A FOUR STORY HOTEL ON THIS SITE, BUT IT GOT CHASED FROM TOWN. AND WHAT IS THE ISSUE THAT IS BEING EVALUATED? IS IT THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT? IS IT THE HEIGHT? IS IT THE LACK OF DESIRE FOR A HOTEL AS A BUSINESS IN THE COMMUNITY? IS IT TRAFFIC? IS IT PARKING? IS IT ALL OF THESE AND NONE OF THESE AT THE SAME TIME? ARE WE LOOKING FOR THE SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEMS OR ARE WE JUST ANGRY ABOUT WHERE WE ARE AS A COMMUNITY TODAY? THE TRAFFIC'S TOO BAD TODAY. NOTHING SHOULD OCCUR. PETALUMA HAS A TREMENDOUS REPUTATION AS AN AWFUL PLACE TO BUILD, AN IMPOSSIBLE PLACE TO BUILD. AND SO MUCH INVESTMENT OPPORTUNITY, MONEY WOULD GO SOMEWHERE ELSE, LEAVING US WITH LESS HOUSING, HIGHER RENTS AND THOSE TROUBLES. SO I THINK WHEN WE ADDED THE OVERLAY TO THE HOTEL PROPOSAL, IT WAS OPPORTUNITY. THAT'S WHAT WE SAW AS A VISION FOR DOWNTOWN. OBVIOUSLY THE COMMUNICATION WAS NOT SUFFICIENT TO REACH ALL OF YOU WITH THE VISION THAT WAS IN THE DOCUMENTS, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT VISION WASN'T THERE. AND IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT, UM, OPPORTUNITY AND GOOD WASN'T BEING LOOKED FOR. AND THAT SOLUTIONS, KEVIN, VISION IS WRONG. IT SUCKS. SO MOVING FROM, MOVING FROM, AND, AND WE'VE HAD, UH, YOU KNOW, A HEALTHY AMOUNT OF PUBLIC INPUT, BUT VERY RARELY DO YOU HAVE THE BREADTH OF THE COUNCIL OUTPUT TO YOU. SO I'D LIKE TO BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL AND LET THE COUNCIL HAVE IT SAY WHERE THEY FEEL THEY ARE ON THE, UM, EFFORTS THAT ARE IN FRONT OF US THIS EVENING. AND WHO WOULD LIKE TO GO FROM THERE? UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BARNICLE. YEAH. FIRST I'LL, I'LL ADMIT I CONTRIBUTE TO THE VITRIOL ONLINE. APOLOGIES MR. BOYD, TO THE, TO THE PEOPLE THAT I'VE OFFENDED ONLINE. UM, UM, UH, YEAH, IT'S A, IT'S A FRUSTRATING TOPIC FOR ALL OF US, UM, BECAUSE I THINK WE ALL CARE ABOUT THE CITY. UM, AND IF WE HAVE DIFFERENT IDEAS, GOOD PEOPLE CAN, I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR MONTHS. UM, GOOD PEOPLE CAN DISAGREE ON POLICY AND IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T MAKE US BAD PEOPLE. UM, UNFORTUNATELY, UH, WHEN IT GETS DOWN TO, YOU KNOW, ADVOCACY, [05:20:01] IT'S ABOUT WINNING AND LOSING. IT'S ABOUT VOTES, YESES AND NOS. UM, AND I, UH, I KNOW IT, UM, CREATE, BRINGS OUT, UH, SOME SIDES OF US THAT WE'RE NOT PARTICULARLY PROUD OF. UM, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT TONIGHT LACKS IS, UM, APPROPRIATE CONTEXT. UM, WE JUST HAD OUR GOALS AND PRIORITIES MEETING WHERE WE LOOKED AT A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT PROGRAMMATIC STUFF AND GETTING UPDATES ON THAT. UM, IN A COUPLE WEEKS, WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT OUR BUDGET, UM, AND THERE SOME SANDWICH BETWEEN THAT IS HOW WE'RE GONNA ACCOMPLISH THINGS. AND, UM, THE, THE MASTODON IN THE ROOM, UM, IS ABSOLUTELY SOMETHING THAT'S ON OUR MIND. UM, WHAT'S GONNA COME OUT IN THE BUDGET IS, IS THAT OUR SALES TAXES ARE DOWN. UM, THAT WE HAVE UNCERTAINTY AROUND FEDERAL FUNDING THAT FUNDS THINGS LIKE OUR MEALS ON WHEELS PROGRAM, THE REBUILDING TOGETHER PROGRAM. UM, AND I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THAT IF THAT FUNDING GETS FROZEN OR SOMETHING HAPPENS, WE'RE GONNA ABSOLUTELY MAKE SURE THAT WE FEED OUR, OUR COMMUNITY, UM, UH, TARIFFS. WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD A NEW FIRE STATION. UM, IF YOU THINK THAT TARIFFS, UH, AREN'T GOING TO DRIVE UP THE COST OF, OF CONSTRUCTION AND MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT TO DELIVER THE FACILITIES IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT OR DRIVE DOWN CONSUMER SPENDING BECAUSE EVERYTHING CONTINUES TO GO UP AND COST MORE, UM, WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT ALL THAT STUFF. AND I DON'T THINK THAT CONTEXT HAPPENS. UM, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING LIKE AN OVERLAY ZONE, UM, IN AN EIR, WHICH IS, UM, I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LEGAL HURDLE ALONG THE WAY TO GETTING ANYTHING DONE IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT. UM, AND WE MAKE A BIG DEAL ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT'S THE, IT'S THE LEGAL RECOURSE THAT YOU HAVE, BUT IT'S NOT THE VISIONARY DOCUMENT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. IT'S NOT WHAT'S GONNA SOLVE ALL THE PROBLEMS AND MAKE EVERY PROJECT WORK. UM, I'LL NOTE THAT, UH, THERE'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, COMMENTS ABOUT, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, THE COSTS AND THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AND IS THIS GONNA MATERIALIZE? UM, SOME PEOPLE HAVE BROUGHT UP THEATER SQUARE. THEATER SQUARE COST US A LOT OF MONEY. THE CITY PAID FOR, UM, ABOUT 4.8 MILLION THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE BASIN STREET AND INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS. AND THEN MIDWAY THROUGH THE PROJECT, WE HAD TO PITCH IN ANOTHER 9.6. YOU CAN GOOGLE IT. THERE'S AN ARTICLE CALLED THE BASIN STREET BLUES, UM, THAT BASICALLY TALKS ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THE CITY HAD TO TAKE FROM OUR REDEVELOPMENT FUND WHEN WE HAD REDEVELOPMENT JUST TO GET THAT PROJECT COMPLETED. AND NOW YOU LOOK AT IT, UM, AND SO WHEN WE SAY IT DIDN'T PENCIL, YOU KNOW, WELL, IT GOT BUILT, WE JUST HAD TO PUT IN MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND THEN IT DIDN'T PENCIL BECAUSE IT WASN'T FINANCIALLY VIABLE. AND, UM, NOW YOU LOOK AND YOU SEE THE, THE VACANT STOREFRONTS THAT HAVE BEEN REALLY HARD TO FILL IN THERE, KEEP FILLED. UM, THERE'S A REASON FOR ALL OF THAT. AND THAT'S BECAUSE WHEN WE SAY IT DOESN'T PENCIL, IT MEANS IT'S NOT A FINANCIALLY VIABLE PROJECT. UM, I THINK IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE COMMENTS ABOUT LIKE, IS THIS GONNA IMPROVE THE STREETS SCAPE? LIKE I CAN'T WALK BY A CHAIN LINK FENCE IN THE HEART OF OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT AND SAY THAT THE STREETSCAPE IS WHAT IS CONCERNING TO ME. LIKE THAT IS NOT AN ATTRACTIVE STREETS SCAPE, UM, THAT IS, UH, LIKE I JUST OBJECTIVELY, UM, I THINK WE NEED THIS PROJECT. YOU KNOW, I ASKED THE QUESTION A COUNCIL QUESTION OF HOW MUCH DOES DO WE EARN FROM THE ENTIRE, UH, OVERLAY DISTRICT SALES TAX, PROPERTY TAX FROM ALL OF THE PARCELS IN THERE? IT'S $282,000 A YEAR. SO THE PROPOSAL, THE ESTIMATE FROM THE HOTEL AT $700,000 A YEAR IS GONNA BE LIKE 2.5 X. THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT, UM, WE GET FROM ALL OF THE PARCELS IN THE OVERLAY CURRENTLY, LIKE YOU, YOU JUST, YOU CAN'T AS A, AS FIDUCIARIES FOR THE CITY THAT ARE THINKING ABOUT THE CONTEXT OF THE WORLD RIGHT NOW, TRYING TO DELIVER ON THINGS LIKE BETTER PARKS, BETTER ROADS, AND ALL THOSE THINGS, PAYING OUR FIREFIGHTERS AND OUR POLICE OFFICERS, UM, IMPROVING OUR FACILITIES, IF YOU JUST CHASE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES AWAY, LIKE WE'RE NOT BEING RESPONSIBLE FIDUCIARIES AGAIN, GOOD PEOPLE CAN DISAGREE ON POLICIES. YOU ARE. I, I KNOW THAT YOU ALL DISAGREE WITH ME RIGHT NOW. UM, THAT'S FINE, THAT'S FINE. UM, YOU'RE NOT IN MY SHOES THOUGH, AND I'M TRYING TO, I'M DOING WHAT I THINK IS BEST FOR THE CITY. WE'RE IN YOUR SHOES. NO YOU'RE NOT. NO, YOU'RE NOT BECAUSE IT, UM, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M NOT GONNA ARGUE. UM, I'M, I'M IN SUPPORT OF IT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S, IT'S THE RIGHT THING FOR OUR CITY. I THINK THAT, UM, AS PEOPLE HAVE SAID, CHANGE IS HARD, BUT I THINK IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. AND FOR THAT REASON, I'LL BE SUPPORTING IT TONIGHT. UM, I DO WANT TO ADD IN THE JOBS HOUSING [05:25:01] IMBALANCE, UH, ANALYSIS TO THIS, UM, INTO THE OVERLAY. I THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE AREAS WHERE I WANT TO, UM, ADD BACK IN TRANSPARENCY IS TRYING TO SHINE LIGHT ON WHAT THIS IS DOING TO OUR HOUSING CRISIS. UM, WHAT IT'S DOING IN TERMS OF JOB QUALITY. I DEFINITELY WANNA SEE THAT ADDED BACK IN. UM, AND I, UH, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK, UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I'M, I'M GOOD WITH THE POLICY AS IT IS. THANK YOU. IS THIS, UH, ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK TONIGHT? THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER SCH SHRIMPS. OKAY. SO I'M, UH, VERY IMPRESSED WITH EVERYONE SHOWING UP AND I'M REALLY GLAD TO HEAR YOU AND I, UM, I DO HEAR YOU ABOUT A LOT OF THE DIFFERENT THINGS. I SORT OF DO AGREE WITH YOU ON THE, UM, ALEX, IT'D BE WONDERFUL IF HE WOULD HAVE HIS VOICE HERE, BUT I THINK WE CAN ASSUME, AT LEAST I ASSUME WHAT HIS VOICE WOULD BE. AND I THINK WE CAN JUST, WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT, WHAT IT'S GONNA BE. SO WE'LL JUST ACCEPT THAT, THAT I, I'D LIKE TO, AS PART OF THE VOTE, IF I COULD GET IT, IF I, I WOULD CHANGE IT IF, IF THAT WAS A CHOICE, BUT IT'S NOT A CHOICE. BUT LET'S ASSUME THAT HE'S GONNA VOTE NO ON THE WHOLE PROCESS. UM, 'CAUSE HE'S MADE THAT VERY CLEAR IN HIS ELECTIONS AND SO FORTH. ALRIGHT, SO THAT'S, I'LL GIVE THAT AS A GIVEN. UM, OTHER THINGS THAT HAPPEN, UH, TO THINK ABOUT, UM, ONE WAS THE, UM, UH, I THOUGHT IT WAS THE IDEA OF THE HALF MILE FROM THE SMART, THAT WAS A COMMENT THAT WAS MADE. UM, WHETHER THE PLATFORM FOR THE PROPERTY GET THAT CLARIFIED, UM, AND SEE IF THAT'S GONNA, UH, IF, IF THAT CHANGES ANYTHING. ANOTHER ONE IS THE POLL THAT WAS DONE. UH, MIKE HEALEY CAME IN, UM, AND GAVE US A, A, I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT POLL AND IF THAT POLL IS, UM, CORRECT AND I THINK WE NEED TO ACTUALLY HAVE, UM, THE, THE CITY CONDUCT ITS OWN REAL POLL. AND SO I'M GONNA, SO I NEED TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT WHAT THE ACTUAL CITY WANTS, THE REFERENDUM, IF IT'S GONNA TAKE A REFERENDUM, IF IT'S GONNA TAKE A BALLOT ON THIS ISSUE FOR THE WHOLE THING. 'CAUSE THE GENERAL PLAN IS COMING UP, MAYBE THAT MIGHT BE NEEDED AND MAYBE WE SHOULD BE DOING THAT. BUT MAYBE DOING THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH, AT THE SAME TIME AS MOVING FORWARD IN THIS. UM, ANOTHER LITTLE FACT COMES UP IS THAT THE, UM, WHAT WAS LISTED IN THE LETTER THAT CAME FROM THE, UH, UM, THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ASSOCIATION WAS, UM, WE WOULD ACCEPT THAT THE MUTUAL RELIEF BUILDING AS THE MODEL TO LOOK AT FOR COMPARISON. AND THAT BUILDING IS 63 FEET TALL AND IT'S 63 FEET TALL, RIGHT FROM THE STREET TO THE TOP OF THE BUILDING AT STREET LEVEL HOTEL AT STREET LEVEL, FROM THE STREET UP IS ONLY 45 FEET TALL FROM THE BASE TO THE TOP OF WHERE IT IS ACTUALLY WHAT YOU SEE RIGHT THERE. AND THEN THE SETBACKS PUT IT UP TO 68 FEET, FIVE FEET TALLER IN THE CENTER OF THE ACTUAL BUILDING, WHICH YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE FROM DOWN BELOW ANYWAY. SO VISUALLY THE HOTEL IS GOING TO BE LESS VISUAL THAN THE MUTUAL RELIEF BUILDING RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER. SO THAT'S ANOTHER LITTLE FACT WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF, UM, THAT WE ALREADY HAVE BUILDINGS IN TOWN THAT LOOK AS MASSIVE OR MORE MASSIVE THAN THIS HOTEL OR IS PROPOSED. SO THAT EXISTS. WE ALSO HAVE THE MILL AT, AT 60 FOOT TALL, UM, AS FAR AS IN A LARGER VOLUME OF ACTUAL SPACE, MUCH MORE THAN A THIRD OF AN ACRE. SO WE DO ALREADY HAVE BUILDINGS OF MASSIVE SIZE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE LIMITATIONS BOTH FOR THE OVERLAY AND FOR THE HOTEL. UM, BECAUSE ALL THESE HOT BUILDINGS ARE BEING LOOKED AT FROM BOTH ANGLES, UH, FROM ALL SIDES WHERE THERE'S LIKE THE, LIKE THE BEE, YOU HAVE THE UH, THE BANKS, THEY'RE GONNA BE SEEN FROM ALL FOUR SIDES. SO I THINK THERE SHOULD BE AN AUTOMATIC AS LET'S JUST MAKE IT, UM, AND IF I'D LIKE AT 10 FEET, BUT I'LL, I'LL HAVE TO LIVE WITH I'LL TO GO FOR EIGHT, AT LEAST EIGHT FOOT OFF SURROUND 360 DEGREES FROM THE EDGE OF THE BUILDING IN EACH STORY, FIVE AND SIX, EIGHT FOOT IN THUS VISUAL ENTIRELY FROM ALL ANGLES. THAT DOES REDUCE SOME OF THE MASS FOR THE, UM, EIR THAT'S COMING OUT. MY CURRENT FEELING IS OKAY, THE STAFF DID A HUGE JOB OF BASICALLY SAYING THIS IS EVERYTHING THAT WAS WRONG THAT WE DON'T LIKE, IS NOT PART OF THE ER, IT'S PART OF SOME OTHER PROCESS. AND I THINK WE NEED TO LET THAT OTHER PROCESS DO ITS WORK. THE IR DID ITS JOB NEEDS TO BE PUT TO BED, PUT AWAY FINE, BUT THE REAL DISCUSSION IS GOING TO BE IN THE SPAR, THE H BAR, THE CUP DISCUSSIONS, THE OBJECTIVE DESIGNS, THE INDIVIDUAL PERSON COMING IN THIS HOTEL, I CAN ALMOST GUARANTEE YOU IS NOT GONNA PASS THAT GAUNTLET. UM, THAT'S A HUGE GAUNTLET. YOU GUYS ARE GONNA SHOW UP AND IT'S GONNA BE A BATTLE FROM HERE ON OUT. SO I KNOW THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. SO THE HOTEL IS GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE CHANGE IN DESIGN TO, TO GO THROUGH THIS GAUNTLET. UM, SO I EXPECT THAT HOPEFULLY IT HAPPEN. I HOPE IT DOES MAKE IT THROUGH. UM, WITH THE CHANGES THAT NEED TO GET MADE. [05:30:01] UM, I, 'CAUSE I, I DIDN'T LIKE TO DESIGN MYSELF AS FAR AS ECONOMICS. UM, I WAS PROVIDED, I DID SOME NUMBERS MYSELF. I RAN NUMBERS. IT'S NOT JUST THE TOT TECHS THAT'S ACTUALLY SMALL. THE TOT TECHS WE WOULD GET IS SMALL COMPARED TO THE ECONOMICS IT WOULD DRIVE IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA FOR OUR SERVICES. IT TURNS OUT THAT YET. UM, SO IT MIGHT BE, UM, $500,000 A YEAR, UH, MOST MILLION DOLLARS IF WAS FULL CAPACITY. AND THAT MILLION IS SMALL COMPARED TO THE ACTUAL ECONOMIC BENEFIT OF THE FOLKS BECAUSE SOMEONE THAT COMES IN AND PAYS F AN AVERAGE AT 400 TO $800 A ROOM, THOSE FOLKS SPEND AN AVERAGE OF 300 PLUS DOLLARS PER DAY, AT LEAST WHEN THEY GO TO A VISIT PLACE. WHETHER IT BE IN DINNERS, WHETHER IT BE IN WHATEVER, WHEREVER IT IS. AND YOU TAKE EVEN 60 ROOMS, NOT 90 ROOMS, BUT JUST 60 ROOMS OCCUPIED AT $300. IT ENDS UP BEING $3 MILLION A YEAR JUST FOR OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES. WE NEED THAT $3 MILLION FOR OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES DON'T CARE SO MUCH ABOUT THE TOT TAX. CITY'S GONNA PROBABLY HAVE TO, UH, THE COST TO THE CITY TO DO THINGS TO, FOR THE HOTELS MAY COST JUST THAT MUCH ANYWAY. BUT IT'S THE ECONOMICS OF THEM PROVIDING THE MONEY FOR OUR ART GALLERIES, FOR OUR RESTAURANTS, FOR OUR ANTIQUE STORES, UM, WHO ARE COMPLAINING THAT MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY THEY'RE NOT GETTING ENOUGH TRAFFIC. WEEKENDS, EVERYTHING'S FINE. UH, SO WE NEED, AND THIS HOTEL, AND THEN I WENT AND TALKED TO THE UH, WENT TO HOSPITALITY MEETING, UH, THAT THEY HAD THE ANNUAL MEETING AND ACTUALLY CORNERED TO THE HOTEL OWNERS AND ASKED THEM ABOUT THIS, UH, COMPETITIVENESS, ABOUT THESE RATES, THESE ROOM RATES, AND, UM, IF IT'S GONNA TAKE AWAY FROM THEIR BUSINESSES. THEY SAID, NONE OF MY CUSTOMERS ARE GONNA GO THERE AT ALL BECAUSE THEY'RE CHARGING A LOT MORE THAN ME. IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT CLIENTELE COMING FROM DIFFERENT PLACES, AND WE WILL NOT BE IMPACTED BY OUR ROOM. OUR NUMBER OF, UH, ROOMS THAT WE'RE RENTING IS NOT GONNA BE IMPACTED AT ALL BY THIS FACILITY BECAUSE IT'S WAY UP THERE. AND ACTUALLY IT'S GONNA BENEFIT US BECAUSE IT'S GONNA GIVE US ADVERTISING TO A WHOLE DIFFERENT CLIENTELE THAN WHAT WE'RE GETTING HERE. NOW, IT'S GONNA BE VERY DIFFERENT PEOPLE WITH A LOT MORE MONEY THAT'S SHOWING UP BECAUSE THEY WANNA COME IN AND THEY CAN JUST WALK AROUND DOWNTOWN AND, AND, AND GO HAVE THEIR COCKTAILS AT THE BAR, AT THE, AT THE EVENING. SO IT'S GONNA BRING IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE. AND SO THEY WERE ACTUALLY FOR THE HOTEL, BECAUSE THEY DON'T SEE IT AS A COMPETITOR, THEY SEE IT AS A, UM, A PARTNER IN MAKING A BIGGER BUSINESS HERE IN TOWN. SO THE HOTEL FOLKS WERE ALREADY HERE SAY, I WANNA GO. SO, UM, AND I TALKED TO A FEW OTHER FOLKS, A FEW OF THE YOUNGER FOLKS. YEAH, WE WANTED, SO WHETHER THE POLL AND I, I DISTRUST POLLS, ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S CONNECTION WITH, OH, THERE IS A POLL OUT THERE ON THAT DOOR. NEXT DOOR, THERE'S A POLL. GO TAKE IT, PLEASE. HUGE BIAS INVOLVED BECAUSE IT'S COMING FROM FOLKS. A GROUP OF FOLKS THAT ARE ALREADY STARTING OUT, UM, THAT HAVE THE ANTI HOTELS IS FINE. BUT WHEN YOU SAY THERE'S A POLL OUT THERE AND THEN ADVERTISE, THERE'S A POLL ON NEXT DOOR WITH ALL THE SOCIAL MEDIA, THEN THE FOLKS WHO DON'T WANT THE HOTEL SHOW UP FOR THE POLL. AND THEREFORE WE HAVE 800 PEOPLE NOT LIKING THE POLL, NOT LIKING THE HOTEL, OKAY. EXPECTED CONCLUSION. I HAVE TO LOOK AT THE, HOW THE POLL WAS CONDUCTED AND, AND ACTUALLY HOW IT WAS ADVERTISED FOR TO EVALUATE THAT STATISTICALLY. AND I DO HAVE A STATISTICS CERTIFICATE, SO I UNDERSTAND STATISTICS AND HOW THEY'RE GENERATED, HOW, HOW TO DO POLLS AND HOW TO RUN NUMBERS. UM, SO I'VE GOT THAT PART. SO I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE A TRULY INDEPENDENT, NOT ADVERTISED, BUT ADVERTISED AND ACTUALLY SENT OUT TO ALL THE PEOPLE. NOW POLLS, I THINK WERE TAKEN DOWNTOWN, AND I THINK THERE WAS, THE BUSINESS OWNERS DID SUPPORT THE HOTEL FROM THAT POLL. BUT I, I WANT STAFF TO KIND OF REVIEW US AS WHAT HAPPENED WITH THAT POLL FOR, FOR, FOR THEM, FOR THAT, THE 3D VISUALS THAT CAME UP. UM, I I TOTALLY, THE F THE EIR, THE SIX PICTURES THAT SHOWED UP IN THERE, I'VE SAID IT BEFORE AT THE LAST TIME. I HATE THOSE SIX PICTURES. I THINK TOTALLY BIASED. I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT. I ALSO LOOK AT THE WHAT WAS DELIVERED AND I SAW ADVERTISED WITH THE OVERLOOKING DOWN AT WHAT THE OVERLAY. AGAIN, THOSE I CONSIDER BIASED. I'VE, I WAS, I WAS ALSO AN ARTIST A LONG TIME AGO, AND SO I WAS TAUGHT ABOUT PERSPECTIVE AND ALL THAT. SO, UM, BUT THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN THE PROCESS THAT'S COMING UP. THERE'S GONNA BE 3D VISUALS I WAS TOLD THAT WOULD BE CREATED IN THE PROCESS OF THE NEXT COUPLE STEPS, BUT NOT NOW UNTIL WE GET THAT, THAT PART DONE. SO I FULLY EXPECT THAT TO BE A HUNDRED PERCENT DONE. 3D VISUALS FROM GROUND LEVEL WALKING BY, JUST LIKE YOU SEE IN WHEN PRODUCTS TURNING AROUND 3, 360. I EXPECT THAT TO BE ABLE DONE FROM, FROM GROUND, UH, FROM DRONE VIEW, ALL DONE BEFORE THAT HOTEL EVEN NEXT STEP. UM, OTHER THINGS I WOULD EXPECT. UM, OKAY, SO THE SURVEYS. I THINK WE NEED TO CONFIRM THE SURVEYS, BOTH FOR THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES, THE ECONOMIC ANALYSIS, UM, AND THEN WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO THE ECONOMIC ABILITY TO, UH, WHAT WE NEED TO REVITALIZE OUR DOWNTOWN, I HAVE A VISION, UH, FOR [05:35:01] THAT. I'M NOT BLANK. AND THIS, I'M, THAT'S LIKE, UM, LOOKS, I, I HAVE A VISION AND WHAT MY PREFERENCE FOR WHAT HAPPENS ON THAT SPOT. I WOULD LOVE A THREE STORY. VICTORIAN BED AND BREAKFAST HIGH-END, SAME CHARGES, 500 TO A THOUSAND DOLLARS A NIGHT BED AND BREAKFAST THAT PROVIDES ALL THE FOOD. THAT'S MY VISION FOR WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE THERE. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT'S BEING OFFERED. SECOND OPTION I'LL THROW OUT THERE, IF THE COMMUNITY LIKE YOU GUYS OUT HERE REALLY WANNA MAKE THIS A CHANGE, GO TALK TO THE PROPERTY OWNER. LET'S MAKE A DEAL. LET'S BUY THAT PROPERTY WITH OUR OWN MONEY. WE'LL PUT IN THE MONIES, WHATEVER, MILLION DOLLARS, WHATEVER, 2 MILLION, WHATEVER IT IS, AND WE'LL BUY THE OPTION OUT FROM THIS WHOLE THING. AND WE'LL EVEN BRING IN THE, THE MILLION DOLLARS TO CONVERT THIS OVER TO A PARK. AND WE'LL BRING IN A MILLION DOLLARS FROM MAG AND OPEN SPACE AND BOOM, WE'LL HAVE A BEAUTIFUL PARK THERE. IF THAT'S WHAT'S, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION, IF WE NEED TO CHANGE, THEN THAT'S TO DO. BUT LOOK AT OPTIONS THAT WE CAN DO INSTEAD. WHAT IS THE ALTERNATES? CAN WE DO THIS? CAN WE TALK TO THE DEVELOPER DOWN INTO A VICTORIAN HOTEL INSTEAD, AS A DEVELOPER, HE'S STUCK. YOU LOOK AT ALL HIS DEVELOPMENTS ARE ALL THE SAME LOOKING THING. CAN WE CHANGE HIS MIND AS ABOUT WHAT HE WANTS TO DEVELOP AND PUT THERE? CAN WE CONVINCE HIM? OKAY, LET'S HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. LET'S TALK TO THE PROPERTY OWNER AND SEE, AND, AND TO SOME OF THE FOLKS WHO ARE LIKE, YOU GUYS ARE IN TO THAT LOCAL, COULD WE RAISE $3 MILLION AND CHANGE THE WHOLE TOPIC? YEAH, POSSIBLE. LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT. LET'S TALK, UM, NOW THE VACANT LOT, THAT'S F THAT'S PLAN F THAT'S FOR FAILURE. THAT'S REAL FAILURE. SO THIS PLAN D, WHICH IS DOWN THE LIST FOR ME, THAT PLAN D, I'M GONNA GO WITH PLAN D 'CAUSE I HATE PLAN F. SO, BUT IF THERE PLAN B UP THERE, OH, MAYBE WE CAN CHANGE GEARS AND WE HAVE TIME. THIS PROBABLY WE CAN SAY YES TONIGHT TO THE ERR. WE CAN SAY YES TO THE OVERLAY. WE CAN SAY YES TO ALL THIS. AND I PROBABLY WILL SAY YES UNDER THESE CONDITIONS, THAT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THE TIME FOR AN ALTERNATE PLAN TO BE GENERATED AND FOR THE COMMUNITY TO SPEAK UP, AND ALSO TO DO THE SURVEYS THAT WE NEED TO DO TO ACTUALLY COME UP WITH A VISION THAT'S GONNA GO IN OUR GENERAL, THIS IS A HOT POINT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW. REALLY A FOCUSED TURNING POINT FOR OUR WHOLE GENERAL PLANT. DEPENDS ON ARE WE GONNA BUILD SIX STORY BUILDINGS IN OUR TOWN OR NOT? THAT'S THE PHILOSOPHICAL CONUNDRUM WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING. SHOULD WE GO FORWARD WITH SIX UP TO ALLOW SIX STORIES OR NOT IN OUR TOWN FROM THIS POINT FORWARD? OR ARE WE GONNA KEEP IT REAL LOW AND THEN ILLUMINATE AS POSSIBLE? AND HOW CAN WE POSSIBLY MEET HOUSING REQUIREMENTS BY THE STATE DOING THAT? A COUPLE, ONE PERSON SAID, YEAH, THEY'VE DONE THE STUDIES AND THEY'VE DONE SOMETHING, AND THEY SAY, YES, WE CAN, WE CAN DO IT WITH FOUR STORIES. OTHER FOLKS SAY, NO, WE CAN'T. WE GOTTA GO DOWNTOWN. WE GOTTA START BUILDING. ALL THE PROS THAT I TALKED TO AT, UM, UH, WE'VE, WE'VE GONE TO VARIOUS MEETING GENERAL, UH, GEN H HAS GIVEN US LOTS OF, UH, AND THEY'RE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS HOTEL AND OF THE OVERLAY AND BUILDING AND, AND THEY'RE LIKE THE EXPERTS IN, IN THIS, UM, CONSTRUCTION AREA WHERE WE WANT, WE NEED TO BUILD IN HOUSING WHAT WE NEEDLY NEED. UM, AND THEY PROVIDED A LOT OF EXPERTS FOR US TO GO TO FOR SEMINARS. SO I'VE BEEN TO SEVERAL OF THOSE SEMINARS AND LEARNED IN, UM, OTHER, AND I'VE LISTENED TO A LOT OF WEBINARS. I'VE DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH ON THIS, AND BASICALLY REVITALIZING DOWNTOWN TAKES A COUPLE FACTORS, A COUPLE LARGE BUILDINGS GOING IN, AS WELL AS A LOT OF SMALL OFFICES FILL EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO DO IT ALL. YOU CAN'T JUST DO NOT THIS AND NOT THAT. IF IT'S JUST NO, THIS, YOU'VE GOTTA DO IT. WE'VE GOTTA BUILD SOME LARGE BUILDINGS. WE'VE GOTTA BUILD SOME SMALL BUILDINGS, SOME, UH, AND IT HAS EQUAL ARTWORK, EQUAL QUALITY, AND THEN SUPPORT THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE THERE. BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE VACANT LOCKED F GRADE DOWNTOWN, AND IT'S GOING TO BE DECLINING, ESPECIALLY WITH THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION AT, AT NATIONAL LEVEL TAKING MONEY AWAY FROM US. SO WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING. SO LET'S MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. AND IT TURNS OUT TIME, I, I TALKED TO THE DEVELOPER, HE SAYS, WELL, WHAT'S THE NUMBER ONE CRITICAL FACTOR FOR YOU GUYS FINANCIALLY TO GET A PROJECT DONE? IT'S TIME. EVERY DELAY COST ME $10,000 A DAY. THAT'S WHAT IT COSTS ME. EVERY TIME THERE'S A DELAY, IT'S 10,000 AND, AND EVERY $10,000, THAT'S LESS AND LESS OF MY DESIRE TO BE HERE. SO IF WE'RE GONNA DO A PROJECT, ANY PROJECT, WE NEED TO GET THIS FROM A 3, 5, 6 YEARS DOWN TO A TWO YEAR PROCESS. AND THAT'S WHAT THE STATE IS ACTUALLY TRYING TO WORK ON. GET THIS WHOLE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS DOWN IN TIME. BECAUSE IF YOU DELAY, DELAY, DELAY, DEVELOPERS ARE GOING, I'M, I'M, I'M GONNA GO SOMEWHERE ELSE, WHICH IS WHAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO RIGHT NOW. SO I WANNA MOVE FORWARD TO GIVE THE DEVELOPER AT LEAST THEIR TIME SO THEY CAN GET THAT TIME DOWN. BUT I DON'T WANT TO GIVE EVERYONE IN HERE TIME TO COME UP WITH AN ALTERNATE AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO DIFFERENTLY AND LET'S FIND THE BEST PLACE TO END UP AND STACK IN. SO LET'S, I'M PROPOSING, I WANNA DO BOTH GIVE YOU GUYS THE WHAT YOU CAN DO AND GIVE THE STAFF. THEY'RE ALREADY, THEY'RE ALMOST LIKE 90% DONE WITH THIS, WHAT THEY'RE DOING HERE. LET'S [05:40:01] JUST WRAP THIS UP. GET THIS ALL OUTTA THE WAY. THE HOTELS BE A WHOLE DIFFERENT THING. PROJECT, DO THE WHOLE THING. LET'S MAKE THIS ALL HAPPEN AND THEN LET'S FIND AN ALTERNATE. LET'S REVITALIZE OUR DOWNTOWN. LET'S COME UP WITH A PLAN. OKAY? THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO DO THIS YEAR AS LET'S SAY NUMBER ONE GOALS THIS YEAR IS, UH, GETTING OUR, UH, GENERAL PLAN GOING. BUT WHAT DOES THAT TAKE THE LAND USE? WHAT DOES THAT TAKE? THE FAIRGROUNDS HAS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF, AND THEN DOWNTOWN HAS TO BE REVITALIZED. THE WHOLE PLAN HAS TO BE GENERATED BEFORE WE CAN, AND THAT'S GONNA, WE GOTTA DO THIS THIS YEAR. SO WE'VE GOT, WE GOTTA DO THIS IN THE NEXT THREE TO SIX MONTHS. WE GONNA NEED TO DO THIS. SO LET'S COME UP WITH THAT PLAN AND THE HOTEL, UM, IT'S GONNA TAKE A YEAR TO GET THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS ANYWAY, SO WE HAVE TIME. WE HAVE A YEAR TO COME UP WITH THESE, ALL THESE ALTERNATES AND MAKE THOSE HAPPEN. SO LET'S WORK TOGETHER ON THAT. SO THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION OF WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE. APPRECIATE THAT. ANYWAY, IF WE GO WITH THE, UM, THE 10, UM, BUT IF WE DO GO WITH THE STANDARD, IT SAYS, I DEFINITELY WANT TO 360, UH, STEP BACKS AT THE TOP IF WE, IF WE GO FORWARD WITH THE, YES. ANYWAY, THAT'S MY REQUIREMENT. OKAY, SO, UM, I, UH, I BELIEVE THAT THIS, UH, CONVERSATION IS GONNA TAKE US PAST 11 O'CLOCK, WHICH IS KIND OF A, A RULES A RULE POINT OF ORDER THING FOR, FOR COUNCIL. AND SO I'VE GOTTA ASK, I'LL MAKE A MOTION. SO WE HAVE A MOTION FROM CATER THOMPSON AND A A SECOND FROM THE VICE MAYOR. AND, UM, I THINK WE CAN DO THIS BY A CLAIM TO CONTINUE. SO, UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AND ANYBODY OPPOSED? GOOD. OKAY. SO WE'RE GOOD TO GO FOR, UM, GETTING THE VOICE OF THE COUNCIL UP AND ADAM AND COUNCILMAN MCC THOMPSON, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO, UM, GET A CLAR CLARIFICATION FROM, UM, BRIAN O WHY DIDN'T THE BOUTIQUE HOTEL MOVE FORWARD? THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. SO I, I BELIEVE THE MAYOR ALLUDED TO THIS EARLIER, UM, JUST, AND THEN ACTUALLY, UM, ENHANCED WITH, UH, COUNCILMAN SRI'S QUESTION ABOUT TIME, MONEY AND RISK ON A PROPERTY OWNER AND SO, AND A DEVELOPER. AND SO, UH, I THINK IT'S A MULTI, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE REASONS WHY SOMEONE WALKS AWAY, WHETHER IT'S FINANCIAL FEASIBILITY, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, INTERACTIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY. UM, I THINK THE IMPORTANT COM SORT OF, I THINK THE IMPORTANT PIECE OF THAT TO NOTE IS IF THERE WAS A FINANCIALLY VIABLE PROJECT, FOUR STORIES, VICTORIAN EDWARDIAN, YOU KNOW, ANY SORT OF DESIGN THAT'S BEEN OFFERED THIS EVENING, UM, THAT PROJECT WOULD'VE BEEN DONE. UM, IT WOULD'VE WOULD NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS, YOU KNOW, CUP PROCESS WOULD NOT HAVE TO EXPLORE THE OVERLAY, UH, PROCESS AT ALL. UM, IF THERE WAS A VIABLE PROJECT THAT THAT WOULD'VE MATERIALIZED, UM, MUCH SOONER. THANK YOU. UM, FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT, UM, THIS COUNCIL WAS VERY SUPPORTIVE OF AGRICULTURE AND MEASURE J WE WERE THE FIRST ONES TO BRING IT UP. WE WERE THE, UM, FIRST ONES TO DO A RESOLUTION IN SUPPORT OF MEASURE J. AND SO WE'RE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF AGRICULTURE THAT WAS RAISED ON A FARM. AGRICULTURE'S IMPORTANT. MY FATHER WAS PRESIDENT OF FARM BUREAU AT ONE POINT, AND SO FARMING IS IMPORTANT TO THIS COMMUNITY. UM, I WAS AT A CRAB FEED THE OTHER DAY AND MARCUS BENEDETTI, UM, JUST THANKED THIS COUNCIL FOR OUR SUPPORTIVE MEASURE J. SO I JUST KIND OF WANNA GET THAT OFF THE TABLE THAT WE'RE NOT SUPPORTIVE OF AGRICULTURE. UM, I DO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT. I SUPPORT THE OVERLAY. UM, I JUST WANNA SAY OUR HISTORIC DOWNTOWN, THE BUILDINGS WE LOVE SO MUCH WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO BE BUILT TODAY UNDER THESE CURRENT ZONING REGULATIONS. SO WE CAN'T REALLY COMPARE OUR EXISTING DOWNTOWN WITH AN AREA THAT HAS, WAS A GAS STATION AND FOR 30 YEARS HAS BEEN A VACANT LOT. AND SO WHAT WE'RE REALLY DOING IS LOOKING AT VACANT LOTS IN OUR DOWNTOWN, UM, FOR VIABILITY FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. IF YOU TALK TO BASIN STREET, THEY WILL SAY THEY'RE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROJECT, AND I'VE TALKED TO THEM A FEW TIMES BECAUSE THEATER SQUARE HAS NEVER BEEN AS SUCCESSFUL AS IT WAS. AND AS COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE SAID, THERE WAS AT LEAST $10 MILLION OF REDEVELOPMENT MONEY, WHICH IS NO LONGER AVAILABLE THAT THE CITY PUT INTO THAT. AND WE PAID THAT BACK. THE CITIZENS OF PETALUMA PAID THAT $10 MILLION BACK AND OTHER MONEY THAT WAS USED FOR REDEVELOPMENT. SO, UM, SO THEY HAD, THEY HAD A, A LIFT, SO THEIR PROJECT WOULD'VE DIDN'T PENCIL OUT, BUT IT DID ONCE WE APPROVED OR THE COUNCIL [05:45:01] APPROVED $10 MILLION OF REDEVELOPMENT MONEY. UM, I FEEL AS THOUGH WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE, UM, NEWLY FORMED PETALUMA HISTORIC ADVOCATES, UM, I WOULD'VE APPRECIATED SEEING A LETTER FROM THEM. UM, ADVOCATING TO RETROFIT, SEISMICALLY RETROFIT, OUR HISTORIC CARNEGIE LIBRARY THAT WAS, I THINK BUILT IN 1906, UM, WHICH IS A MUSEUM NOW, UM, AND MAYBE A LETTER SUPPORTING, UM, OUR TRESTLE. AND THEY DIDN'T SEND ONE IN. AND I WOULD THINK THAT A HISTORIC ADVOCATES WOULD BE ADVOCATING FOR ALL OF DOWNTOWN, NOT JUST ONE LOT. AND THAT'S WHAT I FEEL IT'S REALLY ABOUT ONE LOT. UM, TIMES ARE GONNA GET TOUGHER WITH, UH, THE NEW FEDERAL, UM, GOVERNMENT. WE DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE GONNA GET MONEY. WE MAY LOSE MEALS ON WHEELS. WE ARE GONNA HAVE, UM, TO FIND MONEY. SO WE KEEP PEOPLE HOUSED. PEOPLE NEED HOUSING. UM, AND WE HAVE NOT DONE WELL. WE'VE DONE A, A DECENT JOB, BUT NOT AS GOOD AS WE COULD. NOT EVERYBODY CAN AFFORD $3,000 A MONTH OR 4,000 OR FOUR OR $5,000 A MONTH. SOME PEOPLE CAN, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE CAN'T. UM, SO HOUSING IS A REAL, UM, PROBLEM, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE NOT BE AFRAID OF HOUSING. EARLIER TODAY, EARLIER WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BONNIE GABLER, WHO, UM, SHE WAS THE ONE THAT PUT ALL THE LOTS TOGETHER ACROSS FROM THE GOLDEN EAGLE SHOPPING CENTER, AND NOW IT'S CALLED SOMETHING ELSE. AND SO THAT WHOLE HOUSING PROJECT THAT IS BEING RENOVATED, UM, THAT WAS A REALLY, THAT WAS A LOW INCOME HOUSING PROJECT, AND THERE WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WERE VERY ANGRY AND DID NOT WANT THAT PROJECT IN OUR DOWNTOWN. WELL, IT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL AND IT'S HOUSING PEOPLE, PEOPLE GO ACROSS THE STREET TO THE, UM, TO THE GROCERY STORE THERE. UM, YOU SEE PEOPLE WALKING ACROSS ALL THE TIME. AND SO, UM, WE CAN'T REALLY, WE SHOULDN'T BE AFRAID OF HOUSING AND BRINGING PEOPLE INTO OUR DOWNTOWN. UM, WHEN YOU'RE WALKING BY CHAIN LINK FENCES, IT'S DOESN'T FEEL SAFE WHEN IT'S DARK OUT AT NIGHT. IT WOULD BE NICE IF YOU HAD SOMETHING THAT MADE IT FEEL SAFER. LIBERTY STREET, IT'S NOT THAT SAFE. IT DOESN'T FEEL GREAT WHEN YOU'RE WALKING THERE AT NIGHT BECAUSE THERE ARE LOTS, THE ONE THAT BURNT DOWN. AND THERE WERE, UM, SOME PROJECTS THAT WERE PROPOSED, BUT THEY NEVER PENCILED OUT. AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE NOT BUILT BECAUSE WE HAVE RESTRICTIVE ZONING IN OUR DOWNTOWN. IT'S 45 FEET AND THAT'S IT. AND YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T DEVIATE. UM, I, UM, I JUST FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS TOWN. WE CAN'T GO BACK AND JUST KEEP TALKING ABOUT, WE WANNA BE HISTORIC. WE WANNA BE HISTORIC. UM, YOU CAN ACTUALLY BUILD IN NEXT TO A HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND IN 50 YEARS PEOPLE ARE GONNA LOOK AT THAT ARCHITECTURE AND SAY, WOW, THAT WAS PRETTY INTERESTING. AND WITH THAT, DESIGN IS MOST IMPORTANT TO ME. AND I THINK THAT IS WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMUNITY. AND I CERTAINLY HAVE, UM, LET THE HOTEL GROUP KNOW THAT DESIGN IS IMPORTANT. AND THAT IS THE NUMBER ONE THING FOR ME. AND I THINK THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT FOR MANY PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM IS WHAT IS IT GONNA LOOK LIKE? AND IN 50 YEARS, ARE WE GONNA FEEL LIKE THAT IS REALLY AN INTERESTING BUILDING? LIKE WE LOOK AT OUR DOWNTOWN AND REALIZE HOW INTERESTING THOSE BUILDINGS ARE THAT ARE WAY OVER A HUNDRED YEARS OLD, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THEY'RE PRESERVED ALSO, UM, WITH FIRE SPRINKLERS IN THEM SO WE DON'T LOSE OUR DOWNTOWN. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS AS A COUNCIL THAT WE LOOK AT, AND IT'S NOT JUST ONE PROJECT. IT'S LOOKING AT THE BIGGER PICTURE AND FINANCE. UM, RIGHT NOW FINANCE IS ALWAYS A BIG, BIG ISSUE. UM, WE ARE THE HIGHEST TAX RATE, WHICH IS REALLY DIFFICULT TO SWALLOW. UM, AND WE, I DON'T WANNA RAISE TAXES AND I WOULD NOT RAISE TAXES, BUT, UM, THESE ARE THINGS THAT AUGMENT HAVING TO ASK US FOR MORE MONEY. AND I'M SAYING ABOUT US, BECAUSE WE'RE ALL PART OF THIS COMMUNITY ALSO, AND WE'RE ALL AFFECTED BY IT. I HAVE KIDS THAT LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY AND I WORRY ABOUT THEM, ESPECIALLY WITH THIS ADMINISTRATION. WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN? UM, YOU KNOW, THEY ALL HAVE MORTGAGES REALLY SCARES ME. WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN? [05:50:01] UM, I JUST THINK THAT THERE IS MORE BENEFIT THAN NEGATIVE, UM, FOR MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS. AND IT'S NOT JUST FOLLOWING THE, THE DOLLAR, BUT IT'S REALLY ABOUT OUR BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN. WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS THEY, THEY'RE LIKE, THEY'RE SPEAKING FOR ALL THE BUSINESSES. I'VE SPOKEN TO A LOT OF BUSINESSES. BUSINESSES, WELL, AND WHEN PEOPLE WANT TO BE RUDE, THEY CAN BE RUDE. BUT , UM, BUSINESSES ARE CONCERNED IF THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO STAY IN BUSINESS IN THIS TOWN BECAUSE OF THE COST OF RENTS. THANK I AM NOT DONE. OKAY. I'M JUST PAUSING UNTIL , SOMEBODY QUITS. OKAY. TAKE A BREATH AND MAKING FACES AT ME 'CAUSE I REALLY DON'T APPRECIATE IT. UM, AND SO I THINK WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN, BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE VACANT STOREFRONTS, THAT'S, THAT'S ZERO MONEY COMING IN FROM THOSE STOREFRONTS. AND IT'S NOT GOOD FOR THE, UM, OWNER OF THE PROPERTIES EITHER. SO I'M JUST GONNA END IT WITH THAT. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT, UM, MANY OF US UP HERE HAVE HAD TO RECUSE THEMSELVES, AND RECUSAL IS A STATE LAW. IT'S NOT SOMETHING MANDATED BY CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. IT'S, UH, YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHERE YOU LIVE AND PROJECTS COMING BEFORE YOU BECAUSE THERE IS A NUMBER THERE AND IT'S, IT'S JUST A LEGAL LAW AND THERE'S RAMIFICATIONS. OKAY. BY NOT RECUSING YOURSELF. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND, UH, VICE MAYOR. UM, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. UM, I WANTED TO THANK THE FORMER COUNCIL MEMBERS. I THINK I COUNTED FIVE. WERE HERE THIS EVENING. UM, IT'S QUITE A CLUB TO BE IN AND TO COME BACK AND, UM, BE SO PASSIONATE ABOUT PETALUMA. UM, THANK YOU TO THOSE WHO ARE SITTING STILL IN THE AUDIENCE. AT 11, ALMOST 15. UM, I GREW UP WITH CHANGE. I JUST WAS LIKE THINKING HOW MUCH CHANGE I HAVE SEEN IN MY LIFETIME IN PETALUMA, WHAT WE KNOW OF GOLDEN EAGLE SHOPPING CENTER. IT'S NOW SOMETHING RIVER OR SOMETHING. IT WAS AGRICULTURE. IT WAS ALL AGRICULTURE WHEN I WAS A A CHILD AND IT BECAME A SHOPPING CENTER AND NOT AN ATTRACTIVE SHOPPING CENTER. IT DOESN'T FACE THE RIVER BECAUSE THE RIVER WASN'T SOMETHING TO BE PROUD OF. WE CHANGED THAT. NOW THE RIVER IS SOMETHING TO BE PROUD OF, AND WE HAVE A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE THAT GOES TO OUR DOWNTOWN AREA. I CAME HOME FROM COLLEGE AND MY FAVORITE CHICKEN WAS A HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. SO YEAH, I HAVE LOOKED AT CHANGE. UM, I WAS RECENTLY, UM, AT VICTORY CHEVROLET, WHERE I TOOK MY CAR TO BE SERVICED. AND VICTOR THE OWNER, SAID HE WOULD'VE LOVED TO HAVE STILL BEEN DOWNTOWN. AND I THOUGHT BACK, YEP, THERE WAS A CAR LOT WHERE OUR THEATER DISTRICT IS, AND IT IS MUCH MORE ATTRACTIVE TO HAVE A THEATER DISTRICT AND HAVE SOME WONDERFUL RESTAURANTS AND THE THEATER. AND SO, UM, WE LOVE OUR DOWNTOWN AND WE DON'T WANNA SEE IT BUILT OUT. THERE IS PROBABLY FIVE BUSINESSES THAT ARE, UM, VACANT RIGHT NOW FROM THE BANK OF AMERICA GOING SOUTH TO SIENNA ANTIQUES. THAT'S PROBABLY OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET. WE NEED TO BE CREATIVE IN OUR THINKING. AND COULD THAT BE MIXED USE? COULD THE, COULD WE HELP THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS? LET'S NOT TAX THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE VACANT. LET'S TA LET'S HELP THEM PRODUCE MORE RETAIL TAX OR HOUSING, UM, UM, OPPORTUNITIES. UM, I WANT TO ALSO POINT OUT THAT WE'VE MIXED THIS OVERLAY WITH THE HOTEL BACK WHEN THE BOUTIQUE HOTEL WAS, UM, FIRST BROUGHT TO THE COUNCIL AND TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHAT, 15 YEARS AGO. I REALLY SUPPORTED THAT BOUTIQUE HOTEL. I REALLY WANTED SOMETHING TO BE IN THAT LOCATION. AND AT THAT TIME, THERE WAS A BANK NEXT DOOR, AND THAT WAS WHERE THAT BANK IS WHERE I GOT MY FIRST MORTGAGE FOR MY HOME. SO WE NEED TO BE THINKING LIKE, MAYBE LET'S SEPARATE THAT OVERLAY FROM THE HOTEL. JUST THINK ABOUT THE OVERLAY AS SOMETHING TO PUT WITH OUR GENERAL PLAN. AND THEN ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN POSSIBLY WEIGH IN AND SUB AREA A COULD BE REMOVED. SO COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLY COULD RECUSE HIMSELF JUST FOR SUB AREA A AND THEN I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY GET AWAY WITH THE BOUTIQUE HOTEL [05:55:01] BEING OH, FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM HIS HOME. UM, IF WE, IF WE DO THE MATH CORRECTLY. AND THEN HE COULD WEIGH IN ON THE HOTEL. BUT SUB AREA C AND B IS MOSTLY HOUSING AND MIXED USE. SO WE WANT TO REALLY TAKE EACH PROJECT INDIVIDUALLY, JUST LIKE WE NEED TO TAKE THE HOTEL INDIVIDUALLY. IF WE WANNA GO HIRE THEM FOUR STORIES, THEN DO A VARIANCE FOR THE FIFTH STORY FOR THAT ROOFTOP BAR. BUT WE NEED TO BRING MORE, UM, JOBS DOWNTOWN. WE NEED TO BRING HOUSING DOWNTOWN, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF FAMILIES WANT TO LIVE IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. WE HAVE A LOT OF VACANT HOMES ON, IN SUBDIVISIONS ON THE EAST SIDE, AND WE NEED TO INCENTIVIZE THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS FOR MAKING THOSE PROPERTIES AVAILABLE FOR FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS FOR SWEAT EQUITY. SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO BE CREATIVE WITH A GENERAL PLAN COMING UP. AND I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THIS, UM, AGENDA ITEM THIS EVENING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, ANY COMMENT TONIGHT? ARE YOU GOOD? YOU'RE GOOD? YEAH. UM, I THINK THERE'S, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF PULLING THINGS TOGETHER HERE, UM, AT, AT THE END. I'VE HEARD A FEW DIFFERENT THINGS. UM, I DO HAVE TO NOTE THAT THE COUNCIL, UM, HAS MADE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, AND SEVEN OUTTA SEVEN OF US ALL SAID WE NEED TO INVEST IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN TOWN. AND, UH, UH, I THINK THAT'S WHAT GOES TOWARDS, UH, VACANT LOTS, UH, EAST SIDE, WEST SIDE, VACANT, VACANT LOTS. UM, BUT I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER KIND OF, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS, UH, WHEN SOMEONE COMES TO YOU WITH A PROPOSAL, YOU GIVE THAT IT'S, IT'S FAIR, UH, HEARING TOO. UM, RATHER THAN HAVE TO HUNT AND FIND THEM TO, TO, UM, TO TALK TO. AND, AND I THINK IT'S MY FEELING THAT WE PROTECTED EVERYTHING HISTORIC. WE HAVE A VERY STRONG HISTORIC DISTRICT AND, AND A VERY STRONG HISTORIC GUIDELINES TO WHAT CAN AND CAN'T HAPPEN, UM, DYING TO KNOW WHAT'LL HAPPEN NEXT TO THE CLOCK SHOP, UH, UP AND UH, THAT CORNER. I MEAN, IT'S GONNA BE A CHALLENGE TO FIND A BUILDABLE PROJECT FOR THEM, BUT, UM, DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE HOPING TO ACHIEVE A HUGE BENEFIT HERE. I THINK WE'RE HOPING TO MOVE THE NEEDLE HERE. I THINK ANYTHING IS A GOOD THING WHEN YOU HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS AND ANYTHING WILL HELP, UH, BRING MORE FOLKS INTO SHOPS IN THE DOWNTOWN. JUST A QUESTION OF GETTING THE QUALITY, WHICH IS GOES TO COUNCIL MEMBER SHREVE'S, UH, IDEA THAT THE, THE, UH, SPAR HEARINGS ARE GONNA BE THE, THE CRITICAL THINGS WHEN WE ASK FOR THE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, THAT'S GONNA BE THE CRITICAL ELEMENT IN, IN THIS EXCHANGE. AND, UM, I KNOW THERE'S SO MANY THINGS THAT WE'VE, UM, TR TRYING TO FUND AS A CITY AND TRYING TO DELIVER AS A CITY. WE, UH, WE PUT MONEY INTO GUARANTEED BASIC INCOME, UM, UH, THAT WAS FOR, UM, YOUNG FAMILIES THAT ARE ON THE MARGINS OF, OF HAVING EN ENOUGH. AND, UM, I TRIED TO RALLY FOR REFUNDING THAT IT WAS A TWO YEAR PILOT PROGRAM. I'M TOLD THERE'S NO MONEY FOR THAT KIND OF THING. AND PEOPLE THAT LOSE THAT $500 A MONTH, THEY'RE DROPPING INTO HOMELESSNESS WHERE THE COST TO SUPPORT THEM IS JUST HUGE AND, AND THE NEED FOR THAT KIND OF MARGINALIZED MONIES. I'M SORRY TO TO DIGRESS HERE. SENIORS ARE NOW SAYING THAT'S THE PROGRAM THAT SENIORS NEED SENIORS. SO THERE'S JUST SO MANY THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE AS SENIORS. AND IF WE COULD GET SOME HOUSING IN HERE AND WE COULD GET REVENUE IN HERE DONE, RIGHT, IT WOULD REALLY BE A, A, A BRILLIANT STEP FORWARD OF ONE MORE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKES PETALUMA AWESOME. UM, SO IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER, BUT I DID HEAR, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE TALK ABOUT JOBS BALANCE AND, UH, IT SOUNDED LIKE YOU WERE GONNA TRY AND, UH, WORK SOME LANGUAGE OR ACTION INTO TONIGHT'S AGENDA. IS THAT TRUE? YOU GOTTA COMMENT. YEAH, I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT WE ADD THE LANGUAGE THAT, UM, WAS SUGGESTED OR SOME VERSION OF THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS SUGGESTED BY UNITE HERE. UM, AND I FORWARDED THAT OVER TO MAKE SURE WAS HIGHLIGHTED, BUT I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT IN. SO, UM, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THAT VERBATIM IN FRONT OF US. AND SO, UM, IT'S DIFFICULT, BUT IS THE CONTEXT OF THAT IS THAT, THAT AN A, UH, STUDY WOULD BE DELIVERED AS PART OF THE PLANNING PROCESS, UM, THAT INDICATED HOW MANY JOBS AT WHAT WAGE AND, AND HOW THAT MATCHED UP TO OUR A MI IN THE COUNTY. YEAH. SO IT'S A BE A REQUEST OF THAT. IS THAT A THING, UM, THAT COULD COME UP AT THE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT EXCELLENCE IN PLANNING, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COMES UP IN THE APPLICATION STAGE OR IS THAT PART OF THE, UH, OVERLAY? IT'S PART OF THE CUP, SO YES AND YES. SO IT'S PART OF THE APPLICATION, UM, BUT ALSO WE WOULD WANNA BUILD IT INTO THE OVERLAY TONIGHT. SO WE'RE HAPPY TO TAKE ALL THE, UH, STRAW [06:00:01] POLLING, YOU KNOW, THE DIRECTION THAT COUNCIL, UH, DIRECTS STAFF TO DO. AND THEN WE'D LOVE TO, UH, REQUEST A RECESS JUST SO, UM, TO TALK, IF, IF THE CONCEPT WAS PUT FORTH TODAY WITH, WITH AGREEMENT, UM, BUT NOT WITHOUT EXPLICIT DETAIL AND IT BE TAKEN FROM CONCEPT TONIGHT INTO SECOND READING IN DETAIL, MAYBE THAT'S A LEGAL QUESTION OR IS THAT A PLANNING QUESTION? UM, WANNA REPEAT THAT QUESTION? SO I'M NOT SURE IF WE'RE NECESSARILY TALKING ABOUT THE SAME LANGUAGE THAT I'VE SEEN A COUPLE DIFFERENT VERSIONS. UM, I THINK IT WOULD BEHOOVE US TO GO THROUGH THAT BECAUSE, UM, BECAUSE SOME OF THE THINGS ARE INFORMATIONAL, SOME OF THEM MIGHT BE FILTERS TO PROJECT APPROVAL. UM, AND YOU KNOW, THE JOBS HOUSING BALANCE IS IN THE COMMUNITY IS NOT A PROJECT SPECIFIC ISSUE. IT'S AFFECTED BY INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS, BUT IT'S NOT, UM, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THAT'S, THAT'S A MORE GLOBAL CONSIDERATION. SO I SPECIFICALLY, I'M LOOKING FOR IT TO BE AN INFORMATIONAL ISSUE. OKAY. I WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT. OKAY. JUST THE WAY I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND, UM, YOU KNOW, ECONOMIC IMPACTS OF A PROJECT AND WE HAVE THE STRATEGIC ECONOMICS MEMO THAT LAYS THAT OUT. RIGHT. WHAT IT DOESN'T LAY OUT IS THE JOBS, HOUSING ISSUES AND THE WAY IT IMPACTS THAT. OKAY. CAN I ASK THAT, THAT THAT'S AN ASSESSMENT OF THE JOBS AND WAGES AND WE HAVE OUR OWN, UM, A MI AVAILABLE TO US TO KNOW WHERE THAT HITS. AND WE ALSO HAVE, UM, OUR MARKET INFORMATION FOR WHERE OUR HOUSING IS CURRENTLY. SO WOULD IT BE SUFFICIENT TO, TO DRILL DOWN ON THE JOBS PART OF THAT, KNOWING THE HOUSING SIDE ALREADY? SHOULD WE COME BACK WITH IT? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. I THINK THE JOBS, THE JOB SIDE OF IT IS THE, IS THE MORE IMPORTANT SIDE OF IT. THAT'S ACCURATE. YEAH. SO, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, UM, WELL, YOU'RE DOING YOUR STRAW POLLING EXERCISE, SO PROBABLY TO DO THAT, WE WOULD NEED A LITTLE BIT OF A RECESS TO COME BACK WITH SOME SPECIFICS TO SHARE IF THE, IF A MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO GO THE DIRECTION COUNCIL MEMBER BARNAL IS DESCRIBING, AND WE COULD I THINK HAVE SOME TWEAKS. LET, LET ME, LET ME COME ACROSS. YOU WANNA WEIGH IN ON THIS? WELL, IT'S CLEAR. I MEAN, I'LL TURN, I MEAN, WE, WE COULD ALSO JUST GET CLEAR DIRECTION TO, TO, TO DO THAT AS PART OF, UM, YOU KNOW, AS, AS THE COUNCIL'S ACTION TONIGHT, THAT WOULD RETURN IN DETAIL FOR THE SECOND MEETING. BUT WE'D HAVE TO HAVE SOME CLARITY. AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU HAVE THE CONTEXT YOURSELVES FOR WHAT YOU'RE DIRECTING US THAT. OKAY. I DON'T, I DON'T PRESUME YOU DO. I DON'T PRESUME YOU DON'T. I WANT TO MAKE SURE COME ACROSS, UM, YEAH, THIS PART OF THE, UM, UH, WORK AT AND INCOME AND HOUSING, UM, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE RIGHT NOW WITH THE EIR AND, AND THE OVERLAY. UM, SINCE IT'S MORE OF A, UM, A OKAY. LET, LET ME RECAP. SO, OKAY. AS I CAN, I, I'D SAY I, I WOULDN'T PUT IT AS PART OF WHAT THIS CURRENTLY IS, BUT I, I EXPECT IT LATER IN THE PROCESS, THEN WE HAVE TO PUT IT IN THE OVERLAY. THEN I THINK WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT THE CON THE CS CURRENTLY HAVE MULTIPLE THINGS REQUIRED OF THEM, AND WE'RE SAYING, OH, WOULD BE A STUDY PART OF, UH, YEAH. FOR, SO WE'LL MAKE THIS A PART PROJECT COMING FORWARD THAT ANY APPLICANT. YES. UM, AND I'M GONNA LET COUNCILMAN BARNACLE DEFINE THIS AT THE END HERE, BUT, BUT THE, THE APPLICANT PROVIDE A JOBS BASIS, UH, FOR, FOR, FOR OUR, UM, FOR PLANNING'S EVALUAT PLANNING, COMMISSION'S EVALUATION. FRANK, DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT ON THIS? YOU GOOD? OKAY, GOOD. UM, KAREN, DO YOU WANNA WEIGH IN? UM, I AM, I'M NOT QUITE COMPREHENDING EVERY DETAIL OF WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE WANTS, UM, AND WHY IT CAN'T BE IN THE GENERAL PLAN INSTEAD OF THE OVERLAY, BUT THEN I'M NOT, WELL, I'M SURE, I'M SURE THAT ANYTHING WE DO TONIGHT WILL BE REEVALUATED AS PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN, SO. OKAY. UM, AND THEN, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON, ARE YOU, YOU ARE GOOD WITH THIS. AND SO COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE, COULD YOU KIND OF PULL A PACKAGE? YOU YEAH. CAN WE PULL UP THE LANGUAGE? MY COMPUTER CRASHED OR I WOULD SHARE IT MYSELF. UM, IN THE EMAIL I SENT THE LANGUAGE, UH, I SENT IT AN EMAIL TO ERIC DURING THIS MEETING. WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS THAT WHAT'S BEEN PROPOSED AS, AS PART OF THE, UM, ZONING AMENDMENT, IT, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, IT MISTAKENLY REFERS TO JUST, JUST THESE AS CRITERIA TO GET UP TO 45 FEET OF HEIGHT. AND THAT'S ALREADY PERMITTED, BUT WE CAN LOOK AT, [06:05:01] ONCE OLIVIA GETS IT, WE CAN SHARE IT. OH, HERE, IT'S, IT'S AT THE VERY BOTTOM OF THAT FORWARD. MAKE SURE IT'S JUST THE BOTTOM. OLIVIA, DO WE WANT TO MOVE TO ANOTHER POINT OF QUESTION? OKAY. SO I'M GONNA GIVE STAFF A HEARTBEAT HERE, BUT STEP, UH, WHAT DO WE, DO? WE HAVE SOMETHING GOING HERE. OKAY. I THINK THE KEY POINT IS THAT FIRST BULLET, UM, AND THE SECOND BULLET, THE FIRST HEADING THERE. SO, UM, AN ANALYSIS OF THE IMPACT OF THE HOTEL ON THE JOBS HOUSING BALANCE IN THE CITY OF PETALUMA. UM, SO THOSE, THOSE FIRST TWO BULLETS ARE THE ONES THAT I'M, I'M MOSTLY KEENLY INTERESTED IN ADDING IN COUNCIL MEMBER. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THIS THOUGH WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. SO IT WOULD NOT JUST APPLY TO THE HOTEL, IT WOULD APPLY TO ANYTHING REQUESTING ADDITIONAL, THAT'S WHAT I'M PROPOSING. YES. YES. OKAY. AND THEN THE NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING WOULD BE DEFINED AS HOW MANY JOBS BELOW A HUNDRED PERCENT A MI, RIGHT? OR 80%? YOU, YOU COULD BREAK IT ON THAT CATEGORY. AND, AND ALSO THAT BIT ABOUT THE HOUSING LINK COMMERCIAL LINKAGE FEE TOO. WE CAN STRIKE THAT. YEAH, WE CAN STRIKE A LOT OF THIS, UM, TEXT. OKAY. SO I'M SORRY. SO COULD YOU SAY AGAIN JUST THE KEY BITS FOR YOU? 'CAUSE THEN WE CAN, THE KEY POINTS THAT I WANT IN OUR, UM, THE FIRST BULLET OKAY. THAT THERE, UM, BUT THAT, THAT'S ALSO WHERE THE COMMERCIAL LINKAGE IS. SO JUST THE FIRST PART OF THE FIRST BULLET? YEAH. STRIKE THE COMMERCIAL LINKAGE STUFF. GOT IT. AND THEN, UM, THEN I THINK THE SUB-BULLET THERE, THE ANALYSIS WILL BE BASED ON ALL PERTINENT INFORMATION. UM, SUBMIT A WRITTEN APPLICATION OF THE EMPLOYMENT DATA TO THE CITY TO THE EXTENT KNOWN. I THINK ALL THAT STUFF MAKES SENSE TO HAVE. AND THEN, UM, UH, AND THEN THE, THE, THE SECOND BULLET THERE TOO I THINK READS JUST FINE TOO. BUT THOSE ARE THE PIECES THAT, UM, MOSTLY I, YOU KNOW, IT'S A DISCLOSURE THING. SO THAT, THAT THIRD BULLET IS ALSO, UM, ASKING FOR ANALYSIS SPECIFICALLY OF THE PROJECT THAT'S UNDER CONSIDERATION ON THAT SAME DATA. MM-HMM . OKAY. UM, AND THE LAST ONES ARE ACTUALLY, UM, CRITERIA THAT, THAT THE PROJECT WOULD'VE TO QUALIFY AGAINST. AND NO, WE, WE WANT THE DATA IS WHAT WE WE'RE LOOKING FOR. INFORMATION, THE DATA IS WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. OKAY. IT'S A DISCLOSURE THING THAT I'M LOOKING FOR MOSTLY. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO WITH SORT OF A CONSENSUS, WE'LL ADD THAT INTO THE ORDINANCE CUP REQUIREMENTS, UM, JUST DIRECTION. I, I, I DID HEAR THE VICE MAYOR TALKING ABOUT SEPARATION OF A, B AND C. I KNOW YOU'RE NOT GONNA VOTE FOR THE ORDINANCE AND I DO. WELL, ONLY BECAUSE IF WE SEPARAT IT OUT, THEN COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLY CAN WEIGH IN ON B AND C. SO IF I COULD, UM, WHAT WE HAVE TODAY IS THE COMPLETE PACKAGE AND, AND, AND ANY, UM, ACTION IN THE FUTURE WE'LL BE WEIGHED AS PROJECT. SO, UH, THE HOTEL WILL GO TO PLANNING OR SOMETHING IN B OR SOMETHING AND C SO THIS IS LIKE THE LAST MOMENT OF THE TOGETHERNESS . SO I, I, I DON'T SEE PULLING APART BECAUSE IN ANY APPLICATION, ANY PROJECT, WE'LL PULL IT APART NATURALLY. IT, SO YOU'RE GOOD. I, I UNDERSTAND MR. MAYOR. I JUST WANTED TO PUT IT OUT THERE TO THE UNIVERSE. I HAVE BEEN RECUSED ON THINGS [06:10:01] THAT I DIDN'T AND IT HURTS TO BE RECUSED. IT DOES. I WISH I HAD MY FIRST YEAR AND A HALF BACK 'CAUSE I HAD TO RECUSE FROM ALL THE FAIRGROUNDS DISCUSSIONS. SO I KNOW HOW COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, DICK CROWLEY FEELS. YEAH, WE DO. AND I SYMPATHIZE. YEAH. AND WHAT, JUST, JUST TO NOTE, ONE OF THE REAL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKES IT, UM, PROBABLY IMPOSSIBLE TO UNPACK TONIGHT'S DECISION FOR PURPOSES OF SEGMENTING THAT WE SOMETIMES DO, LIKE WITH, IF YOU THINK OF THE WEED ABATEMENT DECISIONS, IS THE FACT THAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL ANALYSIS OF NECESSITY HAS TO GO TO ALL THE SUB AREAS BECAUSE WE CAN'T PIECEMEAL THE SEQUIN ANALYSIS. SO THAT, SO ANYWAY, THANK YOU. THAT MAKES IT CHALLENGING. THANK YOU MR. DANLEY. AND THE, THE LAST PART, UH, CAME FROM COUNCIL MEMBER SHRIVES. UM, THERE WERE SEVERAL THINGS THAT YOU BROUGHT UP. UM, AND ONE OF THEM THE WORRIED WAS ME. YOU SAID YOUR VOTE WAS CONDITIONAL ON ALTERNATIVE PROPOSALS AND UM, I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO A CONDITIONAL VOTE TONIGHT ON SOME OF THE THINGS YOU WERE INTERESTED IN. I THINK THEY ALL THOUGHT, AND, AND I THINK IN YOUR PROCESS YOU CAME AROUND TO SEEING THE MOST OF THEM WERE SPAR RELATED BECAUSE WHAT, UH, THE ONE THING I'M, I WOULD ASK FOR IS, UM, THE STEP BACKS AT, AND IT HAS TO BE PHRASED A LITTLE CORRECTLY BECAUSE ABOVE 45 FEET OR STORIES FIVE VERSUS SIX, BECAUSE THE HOTEL I REFERRED TO THE MUTUAL RELIEF BUILDING AT 63 FEET IS ONLY THREE STORIES. SO, UM, UH, STORIES VERSUS FEET UP AND, AND SO I BE CAREFUL OF THE LANGUAGE, BUT I'D SAY ANY STORY ABOVE 45 FEET, UM, ASSUMING IT'D BE THE FIFTH AND THE SIXTH STORY, UM, WOULD THEN BE SET BACK EIGHT FEET FROM THE OUTSIDE EDGE OF THE BUILDING. UM, AND IT'S, SO LET ME LET ALL SIDES, LET ME BRING THAT BACK AND ASK A DIRECT QUESTION. YEAH. IS, UM, FIFTH STORY, WE HAVE A SETBACK THAT'S DEFINED FOR ONE SIDE IN THE CASE OF THE HOTEL. SO STAFF WILL, WE'LL PULL UP THE, UM, SLIDE THAT SHOWS THE STEP BACKS. WE DID LOOK AT THIS WHEN COUNCILMAN SHRI HAD FIRST PROPOSED IT. AND SO JUST SO I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS CORRECTLY, UM, YES, WE'RE PROPOSING THE FRONT, UH, PROPERTY LINE SETBACK FOR THE, UM, ANYTHING OVER 45, BUT YOU'RE WANTING US TO MIRROR THAT ON THE, ON THE BACK END, ON THE BACK PROPERTY LINE BACK. RIGHT? SO ALL, ALL FOUR SIDES, IT'S BECAUSE IN THE OVERLAY I SEE ALL, MOST OF THESE BUILDINGS IN, IN C AREA, NB AREA ARE GONNA BE VIEWED. IT'S NOT, THEY'RE ALL FRONTS. THE BACKSIDE IS ACTUALLY BECAUSE THEY'RE TALL ENOUGH, THEY WILL BE SEEN FROM THE STREET OVER. AND SO THAT'S WHY I'D LIKE IT. UM, THE REDUCE OF THE MASS AT THE TOP ON ALL FOUR SIDES OVER THE ENTIRE OVERLAY HOTEL WILL GET AFFECTED. YES. BUT THEY MAY END UP WITH A 10 FOOT PER, BECAUSE I SUSPECT THEY'RE GONNA BE FORCED INTO THAT BECAUSE I SUSPECT THAT COMMITTEE WILL SAY 10 FEET EACH FLOOR, NOT EIGHT. IF I COULD PROPOSE THAT IN A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT WAY, UM, I, I THINK THAT THAT'S A CHALLENGE IN OUR OVERLAY TO DEFINE IT THAT WAY AND, AND IT ROLLING THROUGH, UM, THE GENERAL PLAN AND THE IZO AND ALL OF THE, THE REVISIONS THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY THERE. BUT, UM, THIS IS MORE YOUR CONCEPT OF EXCELLENT ARCHITECTURE AND FALLS UNDER SELLING THE CUP AT THIS SPAR. MEANING, YOU KNOW, IF THEY, IF THEY CAN'T DEFINE EXCELLENT ARCHITECTURE IN, IN IN THIS WAY, AND I MEAN, AND I DO NOTICE THE MUTUAL RELIEF ON THE TWO SIDES IS TALL, TWO ALL STREET FACING SIDES. SO CAN WE LEAVE THIS ONE TO SPAR AS WELL? UM, IF, IF AS LONG AS THIS GETS INTO SPAR, UH, THERE AS AS EXPECTATION, UM, THAT'D BE FINE. SAME THING WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL EXPECTATION, UH, OF HIGH EXPECT, UM, OR IS IT, UH, THE, UM, EXCEPT EX EXCEPTIONAL ARCHITECTURE, THE EXCEPTIONAL, UH, WE EVEN GOT, UH, A SHOUT OUT FROM LYDIA ASLAN THAT THE EXCEPTIONAL, UH, WAS AN UPGRADE FROM UM, PRIOR LANGUAGE. SO I APPRECIATE THAT. AFRAID THAT A LITTLE BIT. SO THAT ONES TWO AND NOT THREE THINKS TWO OUTTA SIX IS NOT JUST ONE WHAT, UH, WORRIES ME, GET RID OF WASTE ONE IF WE HAVE THE 10 FOOT ALL THE WAY AROUND YEAH. SET AS AN EXPECT IT. IT'S ACTUALLY YOUR EXPECTATION AND MAY NOT BE THE COUNCIL'S EXPECTATION. CORRECT. THAT'S WHY I'M, I'M OFFERING IT AS AN OPTION TO THINK ABOUT, ALRIGHT, IT'S MY PROPOSAL IF I MAY AMEND THE COP, UH, OR THE, THE SETBACKS TO, TO THAT CAN I JUST MAKE AN AMENDMENT? AND WHEN YOU TALK DOING THE, THE DIAGRAMS ON SETBACKS, IT WOULD BE FOR 360 DEGREES ON ALL SIDES BASICALLY. I THINK WHEN IT'S YOUR EXPECTATION OR YOUR DESIRE AND, AND EITHER NOT THE COUNCILS OR NOT DECIDED TO BE THE COUNCILS, UM, IT CAN ONLY BE YOUR SPOKEN COMMENT. IT'S NOT INTO ANY OF THE DOCUMENTATION. YOU KNOW WHERE I'M GOING. UM, I HEAR WHERE YOU'RE GOING, BUT I'M ACTUALLY MAKING [06:15:01] IT AS A, UM, A MOTION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO THE DOCUMENT TO MAKE THE SETBACKS 360 DEGREES. AND, AND IF IT COULD BE SECONDED AND BE VOTED DOWN, THAT'S FINE TOO, BUT I'D LIKE TO ACTUALLY GET AN OPINION ABOUT THAT AND A VOTE IF WE NEED TO, TO MAKE IT AN AMENDMENT TO THE DOCUMENT THAT'S BEING PRODUCED. RIGHT. BECAUSE BECAUSE COUNCIL MEMBER, IF YOU, IF YOU DO THAT THEN, THEN IT'S A CONSTRAINT ON THE DESIGN REVIEW SUCH THAT YOU BASICALLY HAVE ROS ABOVE FOUR STORIES. DO YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN? NO, I DON'T. UM, SO, UM, A LITTLE EDITORIAL, UM, THE, UM, THE JOBS THING HAD A CONSENSUS ACROSS THE BOARD. WE HAVEN'T LOOKED FOR A CONSENSUS ACROSS THE BOARD YET. WHY? THIS IS WHY WE'RE STILL EXPLORING THIS. RIGHT. FINE. WE CAN GO FOR CONSENSUS FIRST I'LL FIND, AND THIS IS THE SAUSAGE BEING MADE, SO WHAT, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET AT IS THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY WE CAN CAPTURE THE COUNCIL MAJORITY DIRECTION. YES. ALRIGHT, I'LL GO WITH MAJORITY DIRECTION. LET'S, LET'S DO A STRONG POLL AND, AND, UM, UH, THERE, THERE WE ARE WITH ONE OF THE THINGS. OKAY. AND UM, SO, UM, ANY THOUGHTS ON THIS ON THE COUNCIL? I PER I'M PRETTY MUCH WORRIED THAT, UM, I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL WEIGHING IN DURING PUBLIC COMMENT. UM, SO, AND MY WORRY IS, IS THAT THAT DESIGN CHANGE AT THIS TIME IS TOO MUCH, TOO FAR. SO I WOULD BE NOT SUPPORTING THAT AS AN AMENDMENT. UM, CAN I, WOULD I, WOULD, I WOULD TEND TO AGREE YES. AND, UH, AT ABSTAINING I HAVE ALREADY STATED THAT WE NEED TO STAY WITH FOUR AND THEN DO A VARIANCE. SO, OKAY. I'LL BE VOTING THOUGH. UM, COUNCIL, MAYOR, CATER THOMPSON. OKAY. AND YEAH, I'D PREFER TO PUSH THAT THIS FAR TO THE, THE SETBACK. ADDITIONAL SETBACKS I WOULD PREFER TO PUSH TO SPAR. OKAY. PUSH TO SPAR. SO I THINK WE HAVE PUSH TO SPAR, NOT DEAL WITH AT THIS TIME IN HERE. UM, THOSE WERE THE THINGS THAT I SAW. DID ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBER HAVE SOMETHING ON THE TABLE THAT WASN'T RESOLVED? AND THEN I'M GONNA ASK STAFF THE SAME QUESTION. DO YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE? I HAVE, UH, TWO CLARIFICATIONS. IF, IF MAYOR, IF YOU DON'T MIND, GOOD PLEASE. LET'S, YEAH. UM, WITH THE, UH, JOBS ANALYSIS AS A SUBMITTAL REQUIREMENT FOR THE CUP, UM, I AM ASSUMING IT WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT FOR PROJECTS THAT ARE NON-RESIDENTIAL OR FOR THE COMPONENT, THE NON-RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT OF A MIXED USE PROJECT. IS THAT ACCURATE? CORRECT. YES. OKAY, THANK YOU. AND THEN THE OTHER THING I HEARD, AND I'M NOT SURE I HEARD FINISH OR I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IS, ARE WE CHANGING F SIX TO REQUIRE MORE THAN ONE OF THE CRITERIA TO DEMONSTRATE EXCEPTIONAL ARCHITECTURE? RIGHT NOW? IT IS. ONE HAS TO, I THINK THERE WAS A COMMENT EARLIER THAT IT SHOULD BE MORE THAN ONE. YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE WAS A COMMENT. CAN WE PULL UP, UM, THAT SLIDE, I THINK THAT'S DEEP IN THE, IN THE REPORT PAGE 26 OR SOMETHING. AND MAYOR WS STAFF TRIES TO GATHER IT. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REMIND IF WE CAN MAKE, UH, ANY MOTION TO INCLUDE ON PAGE THREE OF THE F UH, RESOLUTION CERTIFYING THE FEIR ON LIKE THE THIRD RESOLUTION TO MAKE CLEAR THAT THE ADA THAT WAS POSTED TODAY IS ALSO INCLUDED AS PART OF THE FEIR AND THEN SOME GLOBAL CHANGES TO THE RESOLUTIONS THAT WHEN IT SAYS CITY MAKES THESE FINDINGS TO SAY CITY COUNCIL MAKES THESE FINDINGS INSTEAD. I THINK WE'RE ALL OKAY WITH THE ADA BEING CLEANED UP. YEAH. MM-HMM. THANK YOU. SO MAYOR, WE'RE JUST GONNA PULL UP, UH, ATTACHMENT THREE, EXHIBIT C, WHICH OUTLINES THE C P'S FINDINGS. WHAT'S THE, THE LANGUAGE HERE THAT WE'RE DECIDING? SO IT WOULD BE AN EDIT. UM, F SIX. UH, CURRENTLY STATES MAY BE DEMONSTRATED [06:20:01] BY ANY OF THE FOLLOWING AND THEN IT LISTS A THROUGH E, WHICH IS FIVE DIFFERENT, UH, CRITERIA TO MEET EXCEPTIONAL ARCHITECTURE. SO, UH, A MINOR, UH, A CHANGE A MODIFICATION COULD BE MAYBE DEMONSTRATED BY MEETING THREE. I THINK I HEARD THAT NUMBER THREE OF THE FIVE, TWO OF THE FIVE. UM, THAT'S TO COUNSEL'S DISCRETION. IS IT REASONABLE TO EXPECT THAT MORE THAN ONE IS POSSIBLE? IT'S RIGHT HERE. STAFF, UH, WANNA WEIGH IN ON A STAFF OPINION ON, UH, WE WOULD AGREE WITH YES. SO, UM, IS THERE, IS THE CORRECT NUMBER TWO IS THE CORRECT NUMBER THREE. SO I'VE GOT A MOTION FROM COUNSEL FOR THREE , I'LL SECOND IT. AND I THINK THAT WAS YOUR INITIAL POSITION. YES. AND SO, AND, AND THAT APPLIES ON BOTH THE 45 AND AND 60 FOOT COOPS TO GO UP TO 60. YES. ONLY, ONLY ON THE 60. WELL, TO GO UP TO ABOVE 60 OR TO GET TO 75, IT WOULD BE TO GO OVER 45 AS WELL, RIGHT? I'M SORRY. TWO WOULD APPLY TO VOTE. THANK YOU. YEAH. SO, OKAY. ARE WE CLEAR ON THAT ONE? AND ARE WE, ARE WE AT A WRAP? THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS THE PATH TO THE RESOLUTIONS BEING CONCLUDED. UH, THE FIRST RESOLUTION WE TAKE UNDER, UH, ADVISEMENT OR A VOTE WOULD BE, UM, FOR CERTIFYING THE FINAL EIR. AND DOES ANYONE WANNA MAKE THAT MOTION? I'LL MOVE. THANK YOU. I'LL SECOND THAT. WE HAVE A MOTION BY QUINT. A SECOND BY CATER THOMPSON. AND A ROLL CALL VOTE BARNICLE. AYE. CATER THOMPSON? YES. KERLEY. RECUSED NOW? NO. QUINT? YES. SCHS? YES. MCDONALD? YES. MOTION CARRIES. AND THANK YOU. AND THEN THE UM, OTHER UM, BIT ACTION OF BUSINESS IS, CAN BE THE OTHER TWO RESOLUTIONS TOGETHER. THEY UM, THEY, THEY FIT TOGETHER AS GENERAL PLAN AND IZO. UM, AND IS THERE SOMEONE WHO'S WILLING TO MAKE THAT MOTION? ONE OF THEM IS AN ORDINANCE INTRODUCTION. THE OTHER'S A RESOLUTION, BUT THEY CAN BE TAKEN TOGETHER IF THE VOTE'S THE SAME. UM, AND THEY'RE THE EFFECTIVE, UM, COMPLETE THAT THOUGHT. DEFECTIVE TIME HAS BEEN SYNCHRONIZED. SO THEY CAN BE TAKEN TOGETHER. THEY CAN BE TAKEN TOGETHER. CAN WE HAVE A MOTION? I JUST WANNA NOTE FOR THE RECORD, THERE ARE DIFFERENT KINDS OF ACTIONS, BUT THEY CAN BE TAKEN TOGETHER IF YOU LIKE. I'LL MOVE APPROVAL OF BOTH. THANK YOU. SECOND, WE HAVE MOTION BY BARNACLE AND A SECOND BY CATER THOMPSON A ROLL CALL. VOTE BARNACLE. AYE. CATER THOMPSON? YES. NOW NO. QUINT? YES. REBS? YES. MCDONALD? YES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. WE NEED TO INVITE IN, UM, OUR, UH, RECUSED COUNCIL MEMBER AND UM, SO IS THERE SOMEONE HE'S STILL HERE. I THINK HE'S STILL HERE ACTUALLY. YEAH, HE IS IN THE OH, DO WE HAVE SOMEONE ON THEIR CLUB HERE? HIS WHAT? HIS BAND CLUB? YEAH. YEAH. THEY'RE, IT'S GONNA GET WORSE AND WORSE. OH. BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE EVERY MEETING AND IT'S GOING TO GET WORSE AND, OKAY. SO THAT WAS A LONG PAUSE. I MADE GOOD USE OF IT THERE, . AND, UM, BEFORE WE ADJOURN, I JUST WANNA MENTION AGAIN THAT WE ARE CLOSING, UH, THIS MEETING IN IN MEMORIAL FOR BONNIE GABER AND MIKE KERNS WHO CONTRIBUTED SO MUCH TO THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. HEY KEVIN. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.