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GOOD EVENING,[CALL TO ORDER]
AND WELCOME TO THE SEVENTH MEETING OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISOR COMMITTEE FOR WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 26TH, 2025.IF YOU WISH TO PROVIDE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD IN THE BACK OF THE CHAMBER AND BRING IT TO THE COMMITTEE CLERK.
UM, AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO ASK THE CLERK TO TAKE ROLE MACIAS PRESENT, MILLER PRESENT, OSLER HERE.
AND NOTE THAT, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBER KEARNEY AND AL VERDE ARE ABSENT OR NOT PRESENT TODAY.
UH, AT THIS TIME I'D LIKE TO LEAD THE COMMITTEE ON A PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
NOW WE'RE ON TO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
UH, DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON ITEMS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THAT ARE WITHIN THE COMMITTEE'S SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION, AND THAT ARE NOT LISTED ON THE CURRENT AGENDA.
PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED UP TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON.
DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF PERSONS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMITTEE.
TIME WILL BE ALLOCATED IN EQUAL SHARES TOTALING NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTE.
UH, CLERK, HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING? WE RECEIVED ZERO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
UM, BUT, UH, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SHOULD BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE SO.
SPEAKERS ARE REMINDED TO BE RESPECTFUL IN THEIR COMMENTS AND THREATS OF VIOLENCE AND OBSCENITY ALL GROUNDS FOR REMOVAL FOR THIS MEETING, A COUNTDOWN WILL APPEAR FOR THE CONVENIENCE OF THE SPEAKER AND VIEWERS.
AT THIS TIME, I WILL CLOSE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AND CONTINUE WITH THE AGENDA.
UH, FOR OUR FIRST PRESENTATION, UM, APPROVAL OF MINUTES,
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UH, I'D LIKE TO ASK IF THERE ARE ANY CHANGES OR CORRECTIONS.UM, ARE THERE ANY CHANGES OR CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES FOR THE MEETING OF JANUARY 22ND, 2025? NO.
IF NONE, I WILL STATE THAT THE MINUTES ARE DEEMED APPROVED AS PRESENTED.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND THAT.
AT THIS TIME I'D LIKE TO MOVE FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION.
UH, WE'RE GOING TO RECEIVE AND
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REVIEW THE 2024 INDEPENDENT POLICE AUDITOR'S ANNUAL REPORT COVERING THE PERIOD FROM JANUARY 1ST, 2024 TO DECEMBER 31ST, 2024, AND THE 2025 INDEPENDENT POLICE AUDITOR'S WORK PLAN.AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE TOPIC AND INVITE IPA, JEFF SCHLAGER TO PRESENT ON THIS TOPIC.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
UH, I TRUST EVERYBODY CAN HEAR ME AND SEE ME.
AND, UH, GOOD EVENING TO THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND, UH, PUBLIC AND OFFICIALS WHO ARE PRESENT.
UM, THE PURPOSE OF TODAY'S PRESENTATION IS TO REVIEW OUR 2024, UH, IPA ANNUAL REPORT.
AND AS, UH, YOU MENTIONED ALSO TO GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF OUR 2025 IPA WORK PLAN.
AND I THINK BEFORE, UH, STARTING, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS JUST REAFFIRM THE GOAL OF OUR OVERSIGHT, THE OVERSIGHT THAT YOU SET UP, UH, IN PETALUMA.
AND THAT REALLY ULTIMATELY IS TO ENSURE TRANSPARENCY, ACCOUNTABILITY, AND CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT.
AND WE DO THAT THROUGH A SERIES OF REVIEWS AND MEETINGS, UH, WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT OUR, UH, 360 DEGREE REVIEW PROCESS AND THOSE WEEKLY MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE WITH COMMAND STAFF.
UH, BEFORE WE GET INTO THE REPORT AS WELL.
OBVIOUSLY THIS IS MENTIONED IN THE REPORT, AND I HOPE THAT EVERYBODY
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HAS, UH, HAD A CHANCE TO, TO READ THE REPORT.I'M GOING TO GO OVER IT BRIEFLY, UM, AND THEN WE WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DE DISCUSS IT AND, UH, ASK ANY QUESTIONS THAT, UH, ASK AND HAVE YOU ASKED AND HAVE ME ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT, UH, UH, THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
AND I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DID NOT POINT OUT THAT MY COLLEAGUE, UH, DENISE LEWIS, IS HERE WITH ME THIS EVENING, AND SHE WILL BE PRESENTING ON A SEPARATE TOPIC, UH, AS WELL.
SO THE PURPOSE OF OUR 360 DEGREE, UH, OVERVIEW PROCESS IS TO PROVIDE HOLISTIC ASSESSMENTS OF USES AND DISPLAYS OF FORCE INCIDENTS, UM, AS WELL AS PURSUITS.
AND WE DO THAT TO ENSURE THAT OFFICER ACTIONS ALIGN WITH DEPARTMENT POLICIES AND BEST PRACTICES, AND TO ENSURE THAT SUPERVISORY VIEW IS COMPLETE AND OBJECTIVE.
UM, WHEN OPPORTUNITIES FOR IMPROVEMENT ARE IDENTIFIED, UM, WE, UH, FOCUS ON REMEDIATION, UH, TO THROUGH COACHING, MENTORING, AND TRAINING.
OBVIOUSLY, DISCIPLINE IS ALWAYS AN OPTION.
UM, BUT USUALLY WE ARE ABLE TO RESOLVE THESE ISSUES WITH COACHING, MENTORING, AND TRAINING.
UH, THE KEY ELEMENTS THAT WE EVALUATE FOR EACH INCIDENT, UH, IS BODY-WORN CAMERA ACTIVATION AND OFFICER COMMUNICATION, THE CONSTITUTIONALITY OF THE INITIAL CONTACT DEESCALATION EFFORTS AND TACTICAL DECISION MAKING EQUIPMENT USAGE AND POLICY IMPLICATIONS, SUPERVISORY OVERSIGHT AND TRAINING NEEDS, THE PROFESSIONALISM OF OFFICERS WHO ARE INVOLVED.
UM, POLICY ADHERENCE WITH THE INDIVIDUAL POLICIES THAT ARE IN PLACE RELATIVE TO PURSUITS, USE OF FORCE AND DISPLAYS OF FORCE, ANY INDICATION OF BIAS IN ANY OF THE ACTIONS OF OFFICERS, UH, RIPA COMPLIANCE.
AND MOST OF ALL, WE ASKED THE, THE CRITICAL QUESTION, WHAT, IF ANYTHING, IN ANY GIVEN PARTICULAR INCIDENT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE DIFFERENTLY TO HAVE POTENTIALLY ACHIEVED A BETTER OUTCOME? AND WE REVIEW EACH USE OF FORCE, DISPLAY OF FORCE, PURSUIT AND COMPLAINT, AND WE DISCUSS THOSE, UH, THOSE, UH, INCIDENTS THAT WE HAVE REVIEWED AT A WEEKLY MEETING WITH COMMAND STAFF.
WE DISCUSS THE FINDINGS OF THOSE REVIEWS.
UH, WE AGREE UPON A COURSE OF ACTION, UH, FOR REMEDIATION.
WE NOTE EXCEPTIONAL, UH, CONDUCT OF OFFICERS, AND, UH, WE DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE POTENTIAL POLICY IMPLICATIONS AND TRAINING NEEDS.
UM, JUST A COUPLE OF, UH, KEY OUTCOMES OF THESE DISCUSSIONS IN 2024 HAVE BEEN IMPROVED DEESCALATION PRACTICES AND COMMUNICATION STRATEGIES, ENHANCED BODY WORN, UH, CAMERA COMPLIANCE AND ONGOING REFINEMENTS TO THE USE OF FORCE POLICIES AND SUPERVISORY, UH, REVIEW PROCESS, UH, TO INCLUDE EXPANDING THE USE OF OUR 360 DEGREE REVIEW PROCESS, UH, TO SUPERVISORS WITH THE HOPE THAT ULTIMATELY, UM, OUR REVIEW PROCESS WILL FILTER DOWN TO OFFICERS ON THE STREET, AND THEY WILL BE THINKING OF OUR REVIEW PROCESS AS THEY OPERATE ON THE STREETS OF, UH, PETALUMA.
UM, JUST A SUMMARY OF THE 2024 IPA ANNUAL REPORT.
UH, WE STARTED WITH BACKGROUND AND AND PURPOSE.
UH, WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, THE ESTABLISHMENT, AND I HAVE ALWAYS COMMENDED PETALUMA FOR THE WAY THEY WENT ABOUT THIS.
IT WASN'T A CRITICAL INCIDENT, WHICH, UH, LED TO THE ESTABLISHMENT OF, UH, THE IPA AND THE PSAC.
UH, RATHER IT CAME ABOUT THROUGH A PROCESS, UH, FOLLOWING, UH, THE MURDER OF GEORGE FLOYD.
UH, AND A HYBRID MODEL WAS AGREED UPON.
THERE WOULD BE INDEPENDENT EXTERNAL REVIEW THROUGH THE IPA AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, UH, THROUGH THE PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
UM, THEN WE LOOKED AT OUR KEY FINDINGS AND ACTIVITIES.
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LOOKED AT, UH, USES AND DISPLAYS OF FORCE.THERE WERE A TOTAL OF, UH, 75 INCIDENTS REVIEWED, 43 USES OF FORCE, 20 DISPLAYS, AND 12 PURSUITS, WHICH WERE INCLUDED IN THOSE AS WELL.
UM, THERE WAS AN OVERALL DECREASE, UH, IN FORCE APPLICATION TO 0.13% OF ALL CALLS FOR SERVICE.
UM, WE FOCUSED ON THE CONSTITUTIONAL USE OF FORCE, UH, COMMUNICATION AND DEESCALATION, AND THROUGH THESE, UH, WEEKLY MEETINGS WITH COMMAND STAFF, UM, WHICH INCLUDES, BY THE WAY, JORDAN GREEN, UH, FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
ON THOSE MEETINGS, UM, WE FOCUSED ON A FEW AREAS FOR IMPROVEMENT.
UH, CERTAINLY BODY-WORN CAMERA ACTIVATION AND THE TIMING OF ACTIVATION ALTERNATIVE APPROACHES TO, UH, TO FORCE INCLUDING TACTICAL REPOSITIONING.
AND, UH, WE TALKED IN A NUMBER OF INCIDENTS ABOUT THE USE OF THE WRAP RESTRAINT DEVICE AND TRANSPORTATION, UH, POLICIES RELATIVE, UH, TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAD THE DEVICE, UH, APPLIED TO THEM.
UM, BY THE WAY, I THINK EVERYBODY HAS SEEN THAT THERE IS A, UH, A COUPLE OF PHOTOS OF THE WRAP DEVICE, UH, CONTAINED IN OUR ANNUAL REPORT AS WELL.
WE ALSO LOOKED AT, UM, PURSUITS.
THERE WERE 12 PURSUIT INCIDENTS THAT WERE ANALYZED IN EACH ONE OF THOSE.
WE REVIEWED, UH, THE PURSUIT FOR, UM, TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT IT IT WAS JUSTIFIABLE UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES.
WE LOOKED AT THE BALANCE BETWEEN, UH, RISK AND REWARD IN EACH OF THOSE.
UH, AND, UH, OF COURSE, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THAT RISK REWARD BALANCE, WE WERE LOOKING AT THE PPD POLICY, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS, UH, FOLLOWED.
THERE WERE A NUMBER OF RECOMMENDATIONS THERE TOO, THAT WERE, UM, GONE OVER, UH, WITH COMMAND STAFF PURSUIT, TERMINATION GUIDELINES, USE OF SEAT BELTS AND SPEED RESTRICTIONS, AND, UH, SUPERVISORY OVERSIGHT OF THOSE PURSUITS.
WE LOOKED AT THE, UH, COMPLAINT INVESTIGATIONS AS WELL.
WE REVIEWED ALL COMPLAINTS AND INVESTIGATIONS, UH, FOR COMPLETENESS AND FAIRNESS ACROSS A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF ISSUES TO MAKE SURE THAT IN FACT, WITNESSES WERE NOT BEING LED, THAT ALL NECESSARILY ALL NECESSARY WITNESSES WERE INTERVIEWED AMONG ANOTHER, UH, UH, NUMBER OF OTHER CRITERIA.
UM, WE ALSO, UH, TALKED ABOUT PPDS EARLY WARNING SYSTEM, AND, UH, WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THAT MUCH MORE IN 2025.
WE ALSO MADE, UH, POLICY AND TRAINING RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, RELATIVE, UH, TO POLICIES THAT WE REVIEWED, WHICH INCLUDED BODY-WORN CAMERA, UH, POLICIES OR THE POLICY ON BODY-WORN CAMERAS, UM, BIAS BASED POLICING, UH, DEESCALATION AND TACTICAL REPOSITIONING USE OF FORCE AND PURSUIT STANDARDS.
UH, AND WE WORKED WITH PPD LEADERSHIP TO IMPLEMENT, UH, CORRECTIVE TRAINING INITIATIVES, UH, PURSUANT TO A NUMBER OF ACAS, UH, THAT IS AGREED UPON COURSES OF ACTION, UH, THAT WE LANDED ON AS A RESULT OF OUR REVIEWS.
UM, WE HAVE ENGAGED, UH, WITH THE PSAC, OF COURSE, ATTENDED THESE MEETINGS.
AND, UH, AS YOU SAID, THIS WAS THE SEVENTH MEETING.
IT SEEMS TO HAVE GONE VERY, VERY QUICKLY.
UM, WE HAVE, UH, LOOKED AT KEY POLICIES AND ARE, ALTHOUGH THIS HASN'T HAPPENED MUCH, WE ARE HERE TO SERVE, UH, AS YOUR ADVISORS ON, UH, POLICE PRACTICES.
UM, I WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT, ALSO, I TALKED ABOUT THE REVIEWS OF INCIDENTS THAT WE DO.
IN ADDITION TO THOSE REVIEWS OF INCIDENTS, WE DO, UH, WHAT WE CALL A DATA, UH, AUDIT, WHICH IS, UH, AN ACRONYM FOR DETAILED ANALYSIS OF TOUR ACTIVITY.
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DO IS TO FILL A GAP THAT IS TO LOOK AT A SET PERIOD OF TIME, UH, IN, IN THIS CASE TWO DAYS IN THE LIFE OF THE, UH, PETALUMA POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND LOOK AT THOSE INCIDENTS THAT WE NORMALLY WOULDN'T REVIEW.SO, NOT SO MUCH USES OF FORCE AND DISPLAYS OF FORCE AND PURSUITS, BUT THE EVERY, UH, DAY KINDS OF INTERACTIONS, UH, THAT OFFICERS HAVE.
AND OF COURSE, WE HAVE A TREMENDOUS TOOL TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THOSE, UH, THROUGH BODY-WORN CAMERA RECORDINGS.
UM, SO WE DID THAT FOR TWO DAYS.
AND, UH, WE, UH, MADE RECOMMENDATIONS.
UH, THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE INCLUDED IN THE ANNUAL REPORT.
WE MADE SOME OBSERVATIONS, WHICH OF COURSE WERE, UH, WERE DETAILED IN THE REPORT AS WELL.
AND WE WILL BE FOLLOWING UP ON THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, WITH THE COMMAND STAFF THROUGHOUT 2025.
UM, JUST IN TERMS OF THE WORK PLAN, UH, WE WILL CONTINUE OUR 360 DEGREE INCIDENT REVIEWS AND POLICY REFINEMENTS.
UM, WE MAY BE TWEAKING, UH, THE NUMBER OF REVIEWS THAT WE DO AND THE TYPES OF REVIEWS THAT, UH, WE DO.
OBVIOUSLY, THEY WILL CONTINUE TO BE USE OF FORCE, UM, AND DISPLAYS OF FORCE.
BUT IT IS POSSIBLE THAT WE WILL CUT DOWN ON THE NUMBER OF, UH, UH, OF REVIEWS, ESPECIALLY POTENTIALLY IN THE AREA OF DISPLAYS OF FORCE.
AND WE WILL BE DISCUSSING THAT WITH COMMAND STAFF, UH, AS WELL.
UH, WE ARE GOING TO, UH, WORK WITH COMMAND STAFF TO CONTINUE TO ENSURE A CULTURE OF CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT.
WE ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT A NUMBER OF SPECIFIC POLICIES, UH, AND DETERMINING WHETHER OR NOT THOSE POLICIES, UH, REPRESENT BEST PRACTICES IN, UH, TODAY'S LAW ENFORCEMENT, UH, ENVIRONMENT.
UM, WE WILL BE ATTEMPTING TO INCREASE TRANSPARENCY AND ENGAGEMENT WITH THE PUBLIC, UH, AS WELL.
UM, JUST IN, IN CONCLUSION, I THINK, UM, THE, THE LEVEL OF ENGAGEMENT, THE LEVEL OF TRANSPARENCY, UH, THE LEVEL OF COOPERATION THAT WE HAVE HAD, UH, WITH THE PETALUMA POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, AND ITS COMMAND STAFF REALLY IS UNEQUAL IN, IN MY EXPERIENCE.
UM, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OUR REVIEWS, UH, THE, UH, THE CONVERSATION IS OPEN AND, UH, THE COMMAND STAFF IS OPEN TO THE SUGGESTIONS THAT, UH, UH, THAT WE MAKE.
I THINK WE HAVE HAD A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT FOR THE BETTER, UH, THROUGH THIS PROCESS ON PPD.
UM, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT AREAS, UM, WHERE I HAVE PERSONALLY SEEN, UH, THE PROGRESS.
AND, UH, I THINK THIS PROGRESS WILL CONTINUE.
AND I WANT TO THANK PPD FOR, UH, THE WAY THAT THEY HAVE CONDUCTED THEMSELVES AND THEIR COLLABORATION, UH, WITH THE IPA IN TERMS OF MAKING THE DEPARTMENT ALL THAT IT, UH, CAN AND SHOULD BE FOR THE, UH, RESIDENTS OF PETALUMA.
SO WITH THAT, I THANK YOU, UH, FOR THE TIME FOR THIS OVERVIEW.
AGAIN, HOPEFULLY ALL OF YOU HAVE READ THE REPORT, OBVIOUSLY A LOT MORE DETAIL IN THE REPORT, BUT I DID WANT TO SAVE AS MUCH TIME FOR QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE, UM, AND, UH, THE ABILITY FOR MYSELF AND DENISE TO PROVIDE ANSWERS TO YOU.
AND, UH, PLEASE PASS ALONG MY THANKS TO THE REST OF THE IPA STAFF, AND MY THANKS TO CHIEF MILLER AND HIS STAFF AS WELL.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY HAVE REALLY REPRESENTED THE CITY OF PETALUMA THEMSELVES IN A VERY POSITIVE WAY.
SO I REALLY APPRECIATE, UH, THOSE KIND WORDS, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE RESPECT AND PROFESSIONALISM THAT THE PETALUMA POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS SHOWN IN WORKING WITH THE INDEPENDENT AUDITOR.
SO I REALLY WANT TO PASS MY THANKS ALONG TO
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EVERYONE INVOLVED.I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP NOW FOR COMMITTEE QUESTIONS.
MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS, WHEN YOU'RE REVIEWING BODY-WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE, UM, REPORTS, COMPLAINTS, DOES THE IPA TRACK OFFICERS BADGE NUMBERS OR ANY SORT OF IDENTIFIERS TO KIND OF IDENTIFY IF THERE'S A GROUP OF OFFICERS OR A SINGULAR OFFICER WHO MAYBE IS HAVING MORE COMPLAINTS OR INTERACTIONS OR CORRECTIVE, UH, ACTION BEING TAKEN THAN OTHERS, JUST TO KIND OF KEEP THAT, UH, ON YOUR RADAR? OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S JUST HAPPENING INTERNALLY WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT? NO, IT'S CERTAINLY HAPPENING WITH US AS WELL.
FOR EACH INCIDENT THAT WE REVIEW, THERE IS A REPORT FORM THAT, UH, THAT WE REPORT OUT ON.
UM, AND EACH OF THOSE AREAS, WHICH I LISTED BEFORE, EXCUSE ME, GETS REPORTED OUT ON THE NAMES OF THE OFFICERS AND ANY DEFICIENCIES OR SUBSTANDARD PERFORMANCE THAT WE NOTE IN THAT PARTICULAR INCIDENT IS CONTAINED IN OUR DATABASE.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, UH, THE QUESTION OF REPETITIVE, UH, INCIDENTS, REPETITIVE VIOLATIONS OR, OR SUBSTANDARD PERFORMANCE IS SOMETHING THAT I ALLUDED TO IN TERMS OF AN EARLY WARNING OR INTERVENTION SYSTEM.
AND, UH, I THINK THAT THE PROCESS THAT WE ARE GOING THROUGH IS REALLY THE BEST EARLY WARNING SLASH INTERVENTION SYSTEM THERE IS.
IT IS CATCHING THE LITTLE MISTAKES BEFORE THEY BECOME MID BIG MISTAKES.
IT IS RECOGNIZING, TO YOUR POINT, THAT AN OFFICER MAY HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE AND MAYBE A LITTLE HEAVIER COACHING, OR MAYBE IT'S TIME FOR, UH, DISCIPLINE AT, AT, AT THIS POINT.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, WE CERTAINLY WATCH.
UM, AND WE WILL BE WORKING ON A, A SYSTEM THAT PROVIDES A SAFETY NET TO OUR WATCHING, UH, AS WELL.
AND, UH, THERE IS A, UM, AN AUTOMATED SYSTEM THAT THE DEPARTMENT USES, IT'S CALLED LEFT, UH, WHICH HAS THE ABILITY TO, UH, PROVIDE EARLY WARNING AS WELL.
MAYBE, UH, NICK OR THE CHIEF COULD, UH, TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT, BUT THAT'S THERE AS WELL.
BUT WE'LL BE REFINING THAT IN 2025 WITH THE DEPARTMENT.
HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION, JULIE.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF THERE'S, I, I LOVE QUANTIFYING THINGS AND I LOVE SEEING NUMBERS, AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING SAYING OFFICER MACIAS HAD THREE INCIDENTS IN 2024 OR PUTTING THEM ON BLAST IN ANY SORT OF WAY, BUT, BUT TRULY CAPTURING IT AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE PROPERLY TRACKING AND IT'S, AND EVERYONE'S BEING, EVERY OFFICER IS BEING TREATED EQUALLY AND HAVING THE SAME KIND OF PROGRESSION IF, IF SOMETHING IS PROGRESSING, WHICH IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU GUYS ARE WORKING ON.
UH, COUNCILMAN ILLA, YOU HAD A QUESTION? I ACTUALLY HAVE MANY, IF THAT'S OKAY.
UM, SO I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK YOU'VE DONE AND DO, AND, BUT THIS REPORT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO READ AND DIGEST.
UM, THERE'S JUST A LOT, A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT YOUR PROCESS, AND IT KIND OF, UH, AT TIMES DROWNS OUT THE SUBSTANCE.
UM, I HOPE YOU WILL TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, UM, THE SUBMITTED, UH, COMMENTS FROM ERIC LELAND AND JIM DUFFY.
UM, ERIC WAS ON THE AD HOC COMMITTEE THAT RECOMMENDED OUR, UM, UM, A AD HOC COMMITTEE THAT RECOMMENDED YOUR, THE FORMATION OF YOU AND US ALL THE OVERSIGHT.
AND JIM IS A LONGTIME MEMBER OF THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION FOR CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT ABOUT THE CHART ON PAGE 12 THAT JUST TALKS ABOUT YOUR REVIEWS.
I ASSUME THEY ALL TOOK PLACE IN 2024, BUT WONDER WITHOUT ANY RIPA DATA FOR 2024, IF YOU HAD THE INFORMATION TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT RACIAL AND GENDER DATA OF THESE INCIDENT INCIDENTS OF YOU THAT YOU, YOU REVIEWED, IT WOULD ALSO BE GOOD TO PLACE THE NUMBERS IN CONTEXT.
IS IT TYPICAL TO MAKE 48 RECOMMENDATIONS IN ASSESSING 73 INCIDENTS, AND IS IT TYPICAL THAT RIPA DATA IS SO DELAYED? DID YOU NOT RECEIVE THE 2023 DATA UNTIL AUGUST OF 2024 ABOUT THE COMPLAINTS CHART ON PAGE 22? ON PAGE 23, YOU WROTE THAT SEVEN OF THE 47 COMPLAINTS CAME FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
WHERE DID THE OTHER 40 COMPLAINTS
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COME FROM? AND I'M SURE YOU ARE AWARE THAT YOUR APPENDICES ARE MISSING, UM, ABOUT THEIR NUMEROUS, UM, PAGES FILLED WITH CHARTS.AND I DON'T HAVE THE PAGE NUMBERS, SO
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION, BUT NOT ANY SYNTHESIZING OR SUMMARIZING ABOUT WITH THE CHARTS WITH GENDER SPECIFICS.
A NON-BINARY PERSON WHO LOOKED AT YOUR REPORT ASKED WHY SOME OF THE CHARTS DON'T INCLUDE A NON NON-BINARY CATEGORY AS STATE LAW REQUIRES UNDER THE CALIFORNIA GENDER RECOGNITION ACT.
WHEN YOU DID INCLUDE NON-BINARY CA CATEGORIES, THE SAME PERSON ASKED HOW POLICE ARE MAKING THE DETERMINATION OF THE PERSON'S SEX AND GENDER ABOUT THE 2023 RIPPA DATA.
JUST LIKE LAST YEAR, WITHOUT INCLUDING CITY DEMOGRAPHICS, YOU CANNOT DISCERN ANY DISPARITIES TO INFORM ANY DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE BIAS.
FOR EXAMPLE, ON PAGE 83 OF THE PDF, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF STOPS NUMBERS, THE CHART INCLUDES UNDER CATEGORY TRAFFIC VIOLATION.
THAT FOUR 4,000 131 9 WHITE PEOPLE COMPARED TO TWO 5,263 WHITE PEOPLE RECEIVED A VIOLATION.
ACCORDING TO THE CENSUS DATA, WHITE PEOPLE ACCOUNT FOR 71.6% OF PETALUMA'S POPULATION.
AND ACCORDING TO THE CHARTS, LATIN PEOPLE ALONE WHO ACCOUNT FOR 22% OF PETALUMA'S POPULATION ACCOUNTED FOR 32% OF TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS, 31% WHEN POLICE SEARCHED A PERSON, 30% WHEN POLICE SEARCHED A PROPERTY.
AND 40% OF PEOPLE REMOVED FROM VE VEHICLE BY ORDER.
AND I ONLY INCLUDE, UM, WHEN THEIR SAMPLE SIZE WAS LARGE TO, TO MAKE THOSE, UM, COMPARISONS.
UM, I KNOW WE LEARNED FROM THE RIPPA EXPERT WHO, UM, SPOKE TO US THAT THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS FOR DISPARITIES, BUT I WONDER, HAVE YOU, OR WILL YOU LOOK CAREFULLY AT ALL OF THESE NUMBERS AND WHAT THEY MEAN FINALLY, I DON'T MEAN TO NITPICK, BUT ABOUT THE CHARTS INVOLVING CONTRABAND OR EVIDENCE, WHICH IS PAGE 97 AND 98 OF THE PDF.
I'M VERY CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT THE CHARTS MEAN.
I ADDED UP THE COLUMNS, AND BY THE WAY, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO INCLUDE TOTALS IN THIS IN ALL CHARTS.
AND THE TOTAL OF CONTRABAND OR EVIDENCE EQUALED, UH, 10,838, BUT 10,519 WERE NONE.
BUT WHERE DID THIS NUMBER COME FROM? WHERE WERE, WERE THERE THIS MANY SEARCHES THAT CAME UP WITH, YOU KNOW, EQUAL 10,838? SO, I, I'M JUST CONFUSED ABOUT THAT.
AND AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK.
I DON'T MEAN TO BE, YOU KNOW, NITPICKING OR A PROBLEM, BUT, UM, I THINK THAT THE REPORT WILL BE MUCH STRONGER AND, AND, UH, UH, BETTER FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO, UH, TO GO OVER IF, IF YOU THINK ABOUT THESE EXCHANGES.
SO I THANK YOU FOR THE, THE COMMENTS AND, UH, OBVIOUSLY THERE WAS A LOT THERE.
AND, UH, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE FIRST QUESTION OR THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME AFTER, BUT I, I HOPE THAT SOMEHOW WE CAN GET A, A LIST OF THOSE.
WE CAN, UH, REVIEW, UH, YOUR, YOUR, UH, YOUR CONCERNS AND ADDRESS THEM, UH, AS BEST WE CAN.
I THINK THAT PROBABLY WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO DEAL WITH IT WITH REGARD TO THE APPENDICES.
THE APPENDICES COME AFTER THEY ARE IN FACT THERE, BUT THEY'RE NOT IN THE RIGHT SPOT.
UH, SO THEY FALL OUT, BUT NOT THE, UH, THE PAGE THAT SAYS APPENDIX.
AND JEFF, I JUST WANTED TO ADD TOO, THAT IT'S TERMS OF THE 2024 RIPA DATA, UM, WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THAT WASN'T INCLUDED IN THIS.
WE DID AND ACTIVELY HAVE BEEN COMPILING THAT AND PROVIDING THAT TO THE AUDITOR.
UM, AND SO OUR INTENT IS THAT NEXT MEETING, I THINK IT'S ON THE LONG RANGE CALENDAR, WE'LL BE BRINGING BACK THE 2024 RIPA DATA, UM, AT, IN AN APPENDIX FROM THE IPA.
UM, AND THEN THE HOPE IS THAT THAT CAN GET CONSOLIDATED.
UM, THERE CAN BE CON DISCUSSION ABOUT THE CON ANY CONTRASTS OR ANY, ANY, ANY, UM, UH, UH, BETWEEN THE 2 23 AND 2024.
AND THEN, UM, OUR COUNCIL MEETING IS GOING TO BE IN APRIL, ON APRIL 7TH.
AND SO THIS COMMITTEE WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THE 23 DATA IN THIS REPORT, THE 2024 RIPPA IN NEXT MONTH'S PSAC MEETING, AND THEN THEY'LL BE COMBINED AND PRESENTED, UH, TO CITY COUNCIL AT ONE AT ONE SESSION.
SO WE APOLOGIZE FOR THAT INCONVENIENCE.
WE'RE ALSO, UH, LEARNING TO WORK TO PULL THIS DATA AND, AND, UH, MAKE SURE THE DATA AND QUALITY ASSURANCE OF THE, THE, THE, THE DATA IS PRESENTABLE AND IN THE RIGHT CATEGORIES, AND WE'VE HAD TO DO MORE WORK THERE WITH, UH, A LACK OF TECHNICAL
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EXPERTISE.SO WE'RE WORKING ON THROUGH THOSE ISSUES.
UM, BY THE WAY, DO I, UM, JUST EMAIL YOU THE LIST AND MAYBE THROUGH YOU, JORDAN, IS THAT OKAY? MM-HMM
TO EMAIL THE THINGS THAT I SAID I'D, I'D BE HAPPY TO ACCEPT THAT.
WE CAN PERHAPS ATTACH THAT IN, IN, UH, INTO THE COMMENTS WITH, WITH THE AGENDA FOLLOWING THE MEETING TONIGHT, AND I CAN SHARE THAT WITH THE IPA.
I JUST DON'T WANNA VI VIOLATE ANY BROWN ACT STUFF.
WOULD, UH, CHIEF MILLER, WOULD WE HAVE LOOKED AT THE, UH, THE COMMENTS, UH, THE TWO COMMENTS FROM MR. LELAND AND MR. DUFFY, AND, UH, APPRECIATE THOSE AS WELL.
AND, UH, WE WILL BE TRYING TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS AS BEST WE CAN IN, IN THE FINAL DOCUMENT.
AGAIN, I, I JUST WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY THAT THIS IS A, A DRAFT, UH, FOR THE PURPOSE OF DOING EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING, UH, FOR CHIEF OR COUNCILMAN VERDE AND COUNCILMAN KEARNEY WHO AREN'T PRESENT TODAY, CAN THEY ALSO EMAIL ANY QUESTIONS THAT THEY HAD ABOUT THE REPORT AS WELL? YEAH, I, I THINK UNLESS CITY ATTORNEY GREEN HAS ANY OBJECTIONS, THERE SHOULDN'T BE OBJECT.
THEY SHOULD DO IT DIRECTLY TO, I THINK WE HAVE A KATE, OR YOU WANNA SEND IT TO THE CHIEF? YEAH, IF YOU, IF YOU SEND IT TO, SO KATE MCCOY IS THE CLERK OF THE MEETING TONIGHT.
UM, AND THEN WE WILL WORK ON THAT.
AND THEN I THINK AS, AS JEFF, UH, INDICATED, THE, THE FULL INTENTIONALITY OF THESE MEETINGS IN THIS PRESENTATION IS TO HAVE THIS DIALOGUE.
AND IN ANY CITY COUNCIL REPORT, WE HAVE A COMMUNITY INPUT SECTION.
AND SO OUR INTENT IS TO REFINE THE DRAFTS, UH, GET IT TO A FINAL PRESENTABLE PRODUCT FOR THE PUBLIC AND FOR THE COUNCIL, AND INCORPORATE THE FEEDBACK BOTH THROUGH THE GENERAL COMMENTS AND THROUGH THIS DIALOGUE INTO THE STAFF REPORT THAT'LL ACCOMPANY IT.
I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO ADD ON TO THAT.
WHEN THEY DO EMAIL TO EMAIL THEM DIRECTLY, WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE EMAIL COMMUNICATIONS BETWEEN THE COMMITTEE HERE, AND THAT WOULD VIOLATE THE BROWN ACT, BUT THEY'RE FREE TO EMAIL, HEY, WE HAVE THESE QUESTIONS, AND THEN WE COULD POST THEM AND PUT 'EM UP AND TAKE THEM INTO CONSIDERATION.
WHEN THE IPA FINALIZES THEIR REPORT, WOULD IT MAKE MORE SENSE TO CC THE ENTIRE COMMITTEE SO YOU DON'T GET THE SAME QUESTION MULTIPLE TIMES, OR STILL JUST SEND IT TO, TO KATE AND CHIEF? CORRECT.
JUST SEND IT TO KATE AND THE CHIEF, AND THEN WE CAN SEND AN EMAIL WITH HERE'S EVERYTHING WE GOT, BUT NO DISCUSSION VIA EMAIL.
AND I, AND I WOULD SAY FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS MEETING, WE, WE WELCOME HEARING THOSE BECAUSE I THINK THE PUBLIC CONVERSATION OR THE PUBLIC HEARING WHAT THOSE QUESTIONS ARE.
SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS THAT YOU INTEND TO SEND TO US, THIS IS STILL THE OPPORTUNE TIME TO, TO SHARE WHAT THAT QUESTION IS AND, AND HAVE THE DIALOGUE ABOUT THAT, THAT SPECIFIC ITEM.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMITTEE MEMBERS WHO HAVE ANY, UH, MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE IPA ABOUT THE, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
UM, AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, I AM AND NEW TO THIS COMMITTEE, I HAVE A LEARNING CURVE, AND I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW, UM, I DIDN'T WRITE DOWN THE PAGE NUMBER, BUT IT SAID, NO CRITICAL INCIDENTS DURING REPORTING PERIOD, WHAT WOULD BE DEFINED AS A CRITICAL INCIDENT.
UH, SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THAT.
UH, AND, AND OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING A TRAFFIC, UH, FATALITY, UH, THAT INVOLVES A, UH, POLICE OFFICER DISCHARGE OF A WEAPON, UH, EVEN WITHOUT HITS, I THINK ARE THE THREE MAJOR CATEGORIES.
I SUPPOSE A DEATH IN CUSTODY WOULD ALSO QUALIFY AS A CRITICAL INCIDENT.
THAT, THAT'S, UH, SPECIFICALLY CORRECT.
SO, SONOMA COUNTY LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES COLLECTIVELY HAVE A COUNTYWIDE ADOPTED PROTOCOL, THE SONOMA COUNTY LAW ENFORCEMENT FATAL INCIDENT PROTOCOL.
SO ANYTIME SOMEONE'S EITHER IN POLICE CUSTODY OR AS A RESULT OF A POLICE INTERACTION, UH, PASSES AWAY THAT, THAT INVOKES THAT PROTOCOL.
IT'S INVESTIGATED BY, UH, ONE OF THE OTHER OUTSIDE AGENCIES WITHIN THE COUNTY IN COORDINATION AND IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE SONOMA COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, WHO SHADOWS AND ASSISTS AND ADVISES.
UM, AND, AND THE INVOLVED AGENCY JUST BECOMES, UH, INVOLVED IN THE INVESTIGATION AS THE OTHER AGENCIES ACTUALLY CONDUCT THE INVESTIGATION.
AND THAT THE OUTCOME OF THOSE EVENTS, THE, THOSE REPORTS ARE FORWARDED TO THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, UH, FOR REVIEW AND POTENTIAL CONSIDERATION IF, UH, IF THERE'S A, AN APPROPRIATE CRIMINAL CHARGING.
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SPECIFIC EVENTS IN THAT PROTOCOL THAT WE ARE SPEAKING TO WHEN WE SPEAK OF, UH, CRITICAL INCIDENTS, BECAUSE WE HAD THE, THE BICYCLIST THAT IT TURNED FATAL, WAS THAT IN 2025 OR 2024? SO THIS WOULD BE INCIDENTS LIKE IF A POLICE OFFICER WAS INVOLVED IN A COLLISION AND A PERSON PASSED AWAY, OR WE'VE HAD INCIDENTS HISTORICALLY WHERE WE ARE PURSUING A VEHICLE AND THE FLEEING SUBJECT CRASHES AND THEY, OR A PASSENGER PASS AWAY.SO IF, UM, IF TWO COMMUNITY MEMBERS, UNFORTUNATELY, ARE INVOLVED IN A COLLISION AND A MEMBER OF THAT COLLISION PASSES AWAY, THAT WOULD NOT BE A CRITICAL INCIDENT.
THOSE WOULD BE, WE WOULD IDENTIFY THOSE AS MAJOR INVESTIGATIONS FOR US, HOMICIDES, TRAFFIC FATALITIES, UM, YOU KNOW, SHOOTINGS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
BUT CRITICAL INCIDENTS FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS REPORT ARE THOSE TYPE OF INCIDENTS WHERE A POLICE OFFICER IS ONE OF THE INVOLVED PARTIES.
UM, AN OFFICER WAS INVOLVED IN A SHOOTING, AN OFFICER WAS SHOT AT AN OFFICER, UM, WAS INVOLVED IN A COLLISION THAT RESULTED IN SOMEONE BEING SIGNIFICANTLY INJURED, OR WE'VE SEEN A VARIETY OF CASES, UM, IN, IN THE STATE AND ACROSS THE NATION WHERE INDIVIDUALS HAVE MEDICAL EMERGENCIES WHILE THEY'RE IN IES OR THEY OTHERWISE HAVE SOME SORT OF EVENT AND THEY PASS AWAY WHILE THEY'RE IN HANDCUFFS OR IN THE BACK OF THE POLICE CAR OR IN, UH, SOME OF THE CORRECTIONAL FACILITIES IN, IN THE AREA.
AND SO THOSE, THOSE WOULD BE QUALIFYING EVENTS.
AND FORTUNATELY, UM, WE, WE DID NOT HAVE ANY OF THOSE TYPE OF EVENTS IN THIS CALENDAR YEAR, AND HOPEFULLY NONE IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
UM, I JUST DIDN'T, I, I JUST NEEDED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD WHAT IT WAS, AND SOME OF THE ACRONYMS YOU MIGHT, UM, HELP US NEWBIES, UM, I HAD TO LIKE GO THROUGH AND READ TO PUT THE LETTERS TOGETHER TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY MEANT.
SO JUST BEFORE IT GETS TO US IN APRIL, THAT THANK YOU FOR A VERY, UM, THOROUGH REVIEW, AND I REALLY ENJOYED AND LEARNED A LOT FROM JUST THE DRAFT REVIEW.
SO THANK YOU AND THANK YOU TO THE POLICE.
UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, AND I THINK PURSUANT TO YOUR SUGGESTION WILL INCLUDE A GLOSSARY, UH, IN OUR REPORT AS WELL.
THAT'S VERY HELPFUL BECAUSE I, I, I'VE BEEN AWAY FOR A WHILE FROM THE COUNCIL AND COMING BACK, AND THERE'S A LOT NEW ACRONYMS AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS THEIR OWN, UM, FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, AND I, I HAVE TO, UH,
UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE? UH, I HAD ONE VERY BRIEF QUESTION.
UM, YOU TALKED ABOUT A WEEKLY MEETING WITH THE COMMAND STAFF TO REVIEW.
UH, IS THE SAFE TEAM, DO THEY HAVE SORT OF A REPRESENTATIVE ON THE COMMAND STAFF? LIKE IS THEIR INPUT PART OF THE SAME REVIEW OR IS THAT SORT OF A DIFFERENT REPORTING REVIEW BECAUSE THEY FALL UNDER A DIFFERENT STRUCTURE? YEAH, I THINK, UH, SO THE, THE SAFE TEAM IS THEIR EMPLOYEES OF PETALUMA PEOPLE SERVICES.
THEY'RE NOT CITY EMPLOYEES, THEY'RE CONTRACTORS.
SO, UM, WHILE WE WORK CLOSELY WITH THEM AND THEY'RE INTEGRATED IN OUR SERVICE DELIVERY MODEL, UM, THEY ARE NOT A MEMBER OF, OF OUR EXECUTIVE TEAM OR COMMAND STAFF OR, OR TECHNICALLY EVEN A POLICE EMPLOYEE.
UM, AND SO ESPECIALLY WITH, WITH THESE TYPE OF MATTERS, UM, MANY OF WHICH DON'T INVOLVE THEIR TEAM, THERE'S CONFIDENTIALITY AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE TREATED LIKE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC IN THOSE CASES.
WE DO SHARE, UM, DATA AND LAW ENFORCEMENT SENSITIVE DATA ON THE SPECIFIC AND SINGULAR CALLS THAT THEY HAVE, UH, THEY'RE RESPONDING TO.
UM, BUT THEY, THEY'RE LIMITED IN SCOPE, UNFORTUNATELY, TO, TO JUST THOSE.
WHAT, WHAT WE HAVE DONE, AND JEFF, I'LL, I'LL MAYBE KICK THIS OVER TO YOU, IS WE HAVE A VERY ROBUST MOBILE CRISIS INTERVENTION RESPONSE MODEL.
UM, WE'RE CONSTANTLY REFINING IT.
AND SINCE WE'VE BEEN IN THE PROGRAM FOR THREE YEARS AND WE'RE THE FIRST TO ADOPT IT, WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT OTHERS LEARNED FROM OUR DEVELOPMENT AND MAY HAVE DONE A DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVE STRATEGIES AND UTILIZATIONS OF THE TEAM.
AND WE'VE BEEN LEARNING FROM OUR DIS DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES, ROANOKE PARK, TATI, SAN RAFAEL, AND SOON TO BE NOVATO, THAT ALL ARE ALSO USING THE EXACT SAFE TEAM THROUGH PPSC TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE USING IT TO THE MOST ADVENT ADVANTAGEOUS POSITION.
BUT JEFF, UH, DO YOU WANNA SPEAK TO YOUR REVIEWS AND WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AS FAR AS THE CO RESPONSE AND DEESCALATION IN, IN EVERY REVIEW, UH, THAT WE UNDERTAKE, WE ASK OURSELVES THE, THE QUESTION, WAS THERE A ROLE, UH, FOR THE SAFE TEAM IN THIS PARTICULAR INCIDENT? UM, AND IF SO, WAS THAT ROLE, UH, APPROPRIATELY
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FULFILLED? AND, UH, OVER THE LAST, UH, YEAR AND THREE QUARTERS, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME INCIDENTS THAT, UH, THAT WE BELIEVE, UH, COULD HAVE UTILIZED SAFE, UH, IN A, UH, A POTENTIALLY BETTER WAY.AGAIN, THE QUESTION IS WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE DIFFERENTLY TO HAVE POTENTIALLY ACHIEVED A BETTER OUTCOME? AND, UH, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME OF THOSE INCIDENTS.
WE HAVE DISCUSSED THEM AT COMMAND STAFF AND I, UM, THIS IS ONE AREA WHERE I THINK THE, THE UTILIZATION OF, UH, THE SAFE TEAM, UH, HAS, HAS GOTTEN BETTER.
AND MAYBE THAT'S PARTIALLY JUST A, A, A FUNCTION OF, OF GROWING INTO THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE SAFE TEAM.
UM, BUT I LIKE TO THINK THAT IT'S ALSO, UH, PARTIALLY A FUNCTION OF OUR REVIEWS AND THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAVE, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THEIR RESERVATION.
YEAH, AND I WOULD, I WOULD JUST ADD TOO, UM, I, WE, WE DEFINITELY HAVE SEEN CASES WHERE THE TEAM WASN'T UTILIZED, BUT I WANT TO PROVIDE CONTEXT THAT IT WASN'T, IT, AT LEAST FROM MY OPINION, IN THOSE REVIEWS, IT HASN'T BEEN FROM AN UNWILLINGNESS TO WANT TO HAVE THE TEAM THERE.
OFTEN WE'RE SEEING NOW BECAUSE OF THE DEMAND, THEY'RE UNAVAILABLE BECAUSE THEY'RE ON SOME OTHER CALL.
BUT IT ALSO, I THINK IT'S, IT'S, THE ONE THING I'LL SPEAK TO IS OUR OFFICERS FEEL AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF OBLIGATION IN A NUMBER OF THESE CALLS.
AND THERE'S STILL, MANY OF OUR STAFF ARE RELATIVELY JUNIOR AND STILL LEARNING.
AND I THINK OFTEN WE ARE MISSING OPPORTUNITIES OR MIS IDENTIFYING THE OPPORTUNITY TO UTILIZE THE TEAM RATHER THAN WE'RE NOT UTILIZING IT OR THERE'S A RESISTANCE TO UTILIZING IT.
AND I THINK WE'RE SEEING MUCH MORE USE NOW ON PEOPLE THAT ARE INTOXICATED, UM, CALLS WITH JUVENILES, UM, AND TRYING TO LOOK FOR THOSE OPPORTUNITIES.
AND WE'VE TALKED AND HAD SOME INFORMAL CONVERSATIONS WITH THE DIRECTOR OF PPSC ABOUT, UM, THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE SAFE TEAM TO POTENTIALLY DIVERT AND REFER, UM, JUVENILE OFFENDERS IN SOME OF THOSE SITUATIONS INTO OUR RESTORATIVE JUSTICE PROGRAM, RATHER THAN HAVING TO HAVE THE OFFICER MAKE THAT REFERRAL.
AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE LOGISTICS OF THAT.
UM, BUT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT CLARITY.
SO THERE, THERE'S, WE DO SEE A HIGH LEVEL OF UTILIZATION FROM OUR OFFICERS.
THERE JUST HAVE BEEN A, A INFREQUENT, BUT A NUMBER OF, OF SITUATIONS WHERE, WHERE WAS A MISSED OPPORTUNITY.
I THINK I JUST WANT TO, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, 'CAUSE I, I AGREE WITH BOTH OF YOU GUYS.
I THINK THE SAFE TEAM IS A VERY VALUABLE RESOURCE, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEIR INPUT FEEDBACK, UM, IS ALSO SORT OF CAPTURED AND CAN BE PART OF SORT OF OUR HOLISTIC HYBRID MODEL OF MAKING SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY IS INVOLVED IN, IN SORT OF POLICING.
SO I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF OPPORTUNITY.
YOU'RE LIKE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT CITY STAFF.
THEY DON'T WORK FOR THE POLICE, SO IT MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE FOR THEM TO BE PART OF THIS IPA REPORT.
THEN MAYBE THERE'S SOME OTHER REPORT OR FEEDBACK OR SOMETHING THAT THEY COULD GIVE TO THIS COMMITTEE OR SOMETHING WHERE THEY COULD SORT OF HAVE A VOICE ON HERE'S HOW WE THINK WE COULD BE UTILIZED BETTER, OR HERE'S SOME FEEDBACK THAT WE'RE SEEING IN TERMS OF CALLS WE REPEATEDLY GO TO, OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY'RE HEARING FROM THE PUBLIC OR FROM THE PEOPLE THAT THEY GO OUT AND SEE.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS SOME SORT OF AVENUE FOR THEM TO HAVE A VOICE AS WE SORT OF AUDIT AND REVIEW AND TAKE STOCK OF HOW WE AS A COMMUNITY ARE POLICING THE PUBLIC.
WE, WE MEET WITH THEM ON AN UNRELATED MEETING OUTSIDE OF THE IPA, ALONG WITH OUR OTHER SERVICE PROVIDERS ON A, A MEETING EACH MONDAY.
SO THROUGH OUR DISTRICT POLICING MODEL, ONE OF OUR LIEUTENANTS MEETS WITH, UM, THEIR TEAM MANAGER FROM THE SAFE TEAM AS WELL AS OUR, OUR MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TEAM AND HOME FIRST.
AND THEY REVIEW SPECIFIC CLIENTS, UM, AND SITUATIONS THAT WE'VE ENCOUNTERED DURING THE WEEK, AND WE'RE PROVIDING CONTEXT ON STRATEGIES TO HELP THROUGH OUR MULTIDISCIPLINARY APPROACH FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS.
BUT I WOULD OFFER TO THE COMMITTEE TO CONSIDER THE POTENTIAL OF MAYBE INVITING THE SAFE TEAM BACK ON AN ANNUAL BASIS AND HAVING THEM TO GIVE A PRESENTATION, AN UPDATE ON THE PROGRAM.
THERE'S A LOT OF EXCITING DEVELOPMENTS AND SCALE AND COUNTYWIDE CONVERSATIONS.
AND EVEN, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE, THE MOST NOTABLE ACCOLADES THIS YEAR HAS BEEN THROUGH BEHAVIOR OR, UH, THROUGH THE COUNTY, WE WERE ABLE TO SECURE FUNDING, UM, AT LEAST ONE TIME AT THIS POINT, HOPEFULLY MULTI-YEAR, BUT FULL, FULL FUNDING THROUGH MEASURE O.
AND SO THAT'S OFFSETTING ALL CITY EXPENDITURES FOR THE PROGRAM AND A TOTAL OF $1.1 MILLION.
UM, SO IT'S, IT'S PRETTY REMARKABLE AND WE'RE PROUD OF THAT.
BUT WE'D LOVE TO BRING THEM BACK AND HAVE THEM DO AN UPDATE AND TALK MORE SPECIFICALLY EXACTLY ABOUT
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THEIR EXPERIENCES, THE NEEDS, THE GAPS AND SERVICES THAT THEY MAY BE SEEING, AND HOW THEY CAN FILL THOSE A AND I'D JUST LIKE TO ADD THAT, UH, HOPEFULLY ALL OF YOU RECOGNIZE HOW LUCKY PETALUMA IS TO HAVE THE SAFE TEAM.WE OPERATE IN A NUMBER OF JURISDICTIONS, AND, UH, WE, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A VERY LONG TIME, AND THERE JUST IS NOT AN EQUIVALENT THAT I HAVE SEEN, UH, TO, TO THE MODEL THAT IS BEING EMPLOYED HERE.
UM, AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, I GET TO SIT IN ON A LOT OF COUNTY MEETINGS, AND WE IN PETALUMA ARE A MODEL FOR THE SAFE TEAM.
AND I THINK IT'S EXPANDING TO SONOMA STATE AND TO OUR OTHER LOCAL CITIES.
UM, AND, UH, I THINK EVEN MARIN COUNTY.
AND WE HAVE BEEN A MODEL AND THEY COME TO US AND I THINK WE JUST HAD A PHONE CALL FROM AN, FROM, UH, THE CITY MANAGER WAS TELLING ME, FORGET WHERE THE PHONE CAME, LIKE LA OR SOMETHING THAT AFTER THE FIRES, THEY NEEDED A, THEY, THEY WANTED TO HEAR ABOUT PETALUMA'S MODEL OF SAFETY, BECAUSE THEY ARE LOOKING INTO THAT AFTER THE FIRES IN LA.
SO I WAS LIKE, WOW, WE ARE REALLY THE, THE POSTER CHILD FOR A SAFE TEAM AND BEING A GOOD CITY, AND I THINK THAT'S AWESOME.
SO I HAVE TO THANK EVERYBODY INVOLVED.
UH, IF THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE, UM, AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE PRESENTATION ITEM AND ASK SPEAKERS TO BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY.
UM, AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, WE DID RECEIVE TWO, UM, PRIOR TO THE MEETING, AND THOSE HAVE BEEN SHARED WITH APPROPRIATE STAFF AS WELL AS THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS HERE AND HAS BEEN POSTED ONLINE, UM, ON THE, UH, AGENDA PACKET.
SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT OR SPEAKERS.
THEN, UM, AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO MOVE ON TO, TO OUR NEXT TOPIC, PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORY COMMITTEE, MONTHLY STATS CHART.
UM, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE LIEUTENANT GARRETT ANO TO INTRODUCE A TOPIC.
UH, THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN MILLER.
UH, SO AS, AS A RESPONSE TO, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBER MACIAS QUESTION ABOUT OUR NOTATIONAL CHART THAT WAS PRESENTED BY THE IPA AT THE LAST MEETING, UH, WE WENT BACK AND, UM, CAME UP WITH AN ONGOING CHART AS YOU SEE NOW IN FRONT OF YOUR SCREEN, UM, WHICH DENOTES, UH, SEVERAL CATEGORIES IN ONGOING FASHION IN TERMS OF OUR WORK, UH, PROGRESS.
AND TO SPEAK MORE ABOUT THIS, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO DENISE LEWIS.
AND, UM, GOOD EVENING COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND PUBLIC.
UM, SO AS, AS LIEUTENANT, UH, AVIANO JUST EXPLAINED, THIS WAS, UM, IN RESPONSE TO THE MONTHLY REPORT WHERE WE JUST GAVE A VERBAL REPORT OUT AND, UM, RECOGNIZING THAT WE WERE, YOU KNOW, GIVING YOU NUMBERS AND WANTED TO SEE THOSE NUMBERS OVER TIME.
UM, WE CAME UP WITH THIS CHART.
I WILL EXPLAIN IT, UM, AS BEST I CAN, AND THEN ASK IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU'LL SEE IS THAT EACH OF THESE COLUMNS, ASIDE FROM THE DATE, SO STARTING FROM THE LEFT, UM, THERE'S SECTIONS OF USE OF FORCE, DISPLAY OF FORCE PURSUITS AND COMPLAINTS.
THE FIRST COLUMN, UM, STANDS ON ITS OWN.
AND WHAT WE'RE TELLING YOU THERE IS THAT'S HOW MANY INCIDENTS THAT ARE PENDING REVIEW.
IN OTHER WORDS, THEY'RE IN THE QUEUE PRIOR TO THE MONTH THAT WE'RE REPORTING.
SO, SO TO CLARIFY THAT, WE'RE IN FEBRUARY NOW, SO WHAT WE'RE REPORTING ARE JANUARY NUMBERS.
'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY FEBRUARY IS NOT DONE YET.
SO NEXT MONTH WE'LL GIVE YOU FEBRUARY NUMBERS.
SO THIS FIRST COLUMN THAT SAYS INCIDENTS PENDING, THOSE ARE INCIDENTS THAT ARE PRIOR TO JANUARY.
THE NEXT COLUMN OVER IS THE NUMBER OF USES OF FORCE.
AND OF COURSE THAT WOULD BE ALSO FOR PURSUITS AND COMPLAINTS, THE NUMBER THAT OCCURRED DURING THAT MONTH.
SO IN THIS CASE, THERE WAS ONE USE OF FORCE THAT OCCURRED IN JANUARY.
THE NEXT COLUMN OVER ARE THOSE THAT WERE REVIEWED, THE NUMBER THAT WERE REVIEWED BY THE PPD BY THE PETALUMA POLICE DEPARTMENT.
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THAT MEANS THAT IT WENT THROUGH ITS REVIEW ALL THE WAY TO GIVING IT TO US TO REVIEW.SO IN THIS CASE, THERE WERE FOUR USES OF FORCE THAT HAD BEEN REVIEWED BY THE DEPARTMENT AND THEN HANDED TO US TO REVIEW.
THE NEXT COLUMN ARE THE NUMBER THAT WE REVIEWED, THE IPA.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT NUMBER IS NINE.
THESE COLUMNS STANDALONE, AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE NUMBERS THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO ADD ACROSS.
THIS IS JUST A PICTURE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH REGARD TO OUR ACTIVITIES, UM, AND THE NUMBER OF USES OF FORCE.
SO IN THIS CASE, THE IPA REVIEWED NINE USES OF FORCE.
THAT WOULD BE THE FOUR THAT WERE TURNED OVER FROM THE DEPARTMENT, AND SOME THAT WERE FROM A PRIOR PERIOD.
THE LAST COLUMN THERE ON USE OF FORCE, THE OPEN ACAS, THAT IS THE AGREED UPON COURSE OF ACTION.
UM, AND WITH REGARD TO USES OF FORCE, THE NINE THAT WE REVIEWED, WE CAME UP WITH SEVEN DIFFERENT ACTIONS THAT WE AGREED UPON NEEDED TO BE, UM, UM, IMPLEMENTED.
SO THOSE ARE OPEN, AS IN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE TAKING PLACE NOW.
SO THAT THAT INFORMATION REPEATS FOR PURSUITS.
SO THE SAME INFORMATION, HOW MANY WERE PENDING PRIOR TO THIS PERIOD, HOW MANY OCCURRED, HOW MANY WERE RE REVIEWED BY THE DEPARTMENT, HOW MANY WERE RE REVIEW REVIEWED BY THE IPA, AND HOW MANY ACAS OR AGREED UPON COURSE OF ACTIONS CAME OUT OF THOSE REVIEWS.
AND THEN, OF COURSE, LASTLY IS THE SECTION CALLED COMPLAINTS.
PRIOR TO JANUARY, THERE WERE FOUR NEW COMPLAINTS.
THERE WERE FIVE THAT WERE REVIEWED BY THE DEPARTMENT AND GIVE HANDED OVER TO US TO REVIEW.
WE DID NOT COMPLETE DURING JANUARY.
WE DID NOT COMPLETE ANY OF THOSE REVIEWS, SO WE DID NOT HAVE ANY OPEN ACAS.
NOW, IN FEBRUARY, WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS, FOR EXAMPLE, HOW THIS WILL TRACK IS YOU'LL SEE THAT THOSE FIVE COMPLAINTS WERE HANDED OVER TO US SHOULD BE REVIEWED.
SO YOU, WE SHOULD SEE AT LEAST FIVE COMPLAINTS REVIEWED BY US NEXT IN FEBRUARY.
UM, KEEPING IN MIND THAT THIS CHART WAS CREATED, AND IT SHOULD HAVE A DATE ON IT, I APOLOGIZE, IT DOESN'T HAVE A DATE.
UM, IT WAS MEANT TO, UM, IT WAS AS OF FEBRUARY 13TH.
SO THE, THE MONTH HADN'T FINISHED YET.
AND WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE COMPLAINTS OR USE OF FORCE MAY COME IN AT THE VERY END OF THE MONTH.
SO IT'S A VERY FLUID SITUATION.
THE NUMBERS ARE FLUID, BUT THEY'RE MEANT TO GIVE YOU, UH, KIND OF A SNAPSHOT AS FAR AS THE ACTIVITIES THAT ARE HAPPENING WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT.
SO, I'LL, I'LL STOP THERE AND ASK IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS.
LISTEN, I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO THE COMMITTEE FOR QUESTIONS.
CHAIRMAN, I'M SO GLAD YOU EXPLAINED THE NINE WHEN IT WAS FOUR PLUS ONE, BUT THAT MAKES ME, UM, WONDER ABOUT WHAT'S THE BACKLOG.
SO IS THERE ANY WAY TO BE LIKE LETTING US KNOW ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS, HOW MANY ARE, ARE, ARE BEHIND IT TO, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, THERE OBVIOUSLY WAS A BACKLOG OF AT LEAST FIVE THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO REVIEW NINE IN.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? LIKE YOU, YOU READ NINE? UH, I, YES, YES.
I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, RIGHT? AND THAT IS ACTUALLY WHAT THAT GRAY OUT COLUMN IS MEANT TO TELL YOU.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GO ALL THE WAY BACK IN, IN TIME IS WHEN WE STARTED.
UM, IT'LL KIND OF HAVE TO CATCH UP.
BUT THAT GRAYED OUT FIRST COLUMN IS THE BACKLOG.
THERE WERE FOUR AT THIS SNAPSHOT IN TIME.
THAT IS AS OF J UH, FEBRUARY 13TH.
THERE WERE FOUR USES OF FORCE THAT ARE IN THE QUEUE THAT HAVEN'T, THEY'RE THE BACKLOG, SO TO SPEAK.
AND THERE WAS ONE PURSUIT THAT WAS IN THE BACKLOG, AND THERE WAS 10 COMPLAINTS THAT ARE IN THAT.
AND, AND I DON'T REALLY, I DON'T LIKE TO USE THE TERM BACKLOG.
'CAUSE IT, IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE LATE.
IT JUST, IT, THEY'RE IN THE QUEUE BEING REVIEWED.
SO I SEE IT'S WHAT THE START OF, WHEN YOU'RE LIKE THINKING ABOUT THIS, THERE WAS, THERE WAS 10, YOU GOT TO NINE, THERE'S ONE LEFT.
NO, THERE'S FOUR LEFT AT, UM, I'M, YOU CAN'T ADD 'EM ACROSS.
THAT IS EXACTLY, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE CHALLENGING TO PRESENT THIS INFORMATION IN A WAY THAT, UM, YOU, YOU DON'T TRY TO ADD THEM ACROSS
'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA ADD MONTH TO MONTH.
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CAN'T ADD THEM ACROSS.'CAUSE THESE DO NOT RELATE TO EACH OTHER.
AGAIN, I MAYBE AS, AS THE, AS THE MONTHS GO ON, IT WILL BECOME CLEAR.
YEAH, I THINK THE OTHER THING TOO, TO NOTE, AND SPECIFICALLY IN COMPLAINTS WHERE THAT ONE STANDS OUT, WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S LEFT LESS BEING DONE OR LESS BEING COMPLETED IS THE LIFE CYCLE OF THE COMPLAINT PROCESS IS MUCH MORE EX EXTENDED.
THEY'RE ALSO POTENTIALLY, IF WE HAVE TO INTERVIEW ONE OF OUR EMPLOYEES OR OTHER INDIVIDUALS, THERE'S UM, ALL THOSE, THOSE LAWS AND REGULATIONS AND UNION PROTOCOLS THAT WE HAVE TO ADHERE TO THAT SOMETIMES TAKE CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME.
SO SOME, SOME COMPLAINTS ARE VERY SIMPLE, UM, AND STRAIGHTFORWARD AND CAN BE HANDLED AT THE SUPERVISORY LEVEL.
THAT WAS REFLECTED IN THE, UH, TOTAL IPA REPORT WHERE THERE WERE A NUMBER OF, OF INVESTIGATIONS AND THEN THERE WAS COMPLAINTS WITHIN THAT CATEGORY.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S OTHER ONES THAT GET ELEVATED TO A MORE FORMAL STATUS THAT HAVE TO FOLLOW A PRETTY REGIMENTED PROCESS.
SO WE TRY TO WORK VERY DILIGENTLY TO NOT HAVE ANY PENDING CASES.
AND THAT'S WHY WE MEET WEEKLY TO, TO WORK ON UPDATES AND WHERE WE HAVE ONES FOR DISCUSSION, CLOSE THOSE OUT.
UM, BUT ADDITIONALLY, I WANTED TO, TO JUST STATE THAT, THAT THERE'S NOTHING THAT THE IPA DOES NOT KNOW ON ITS TIME OF OCCURRENCE.
SO IF A COMPLAINT WAS TO COME IN ONE, JEFF GETS A COPY OF THAT INSTANTANEOUSLY THROUGH OUR COMPLAINT SYSTEM TWO IN OUR WEEKLY.
WE BRIEF THEM ON THAT, AND THEN WE BASICALLY SAY WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL PROVIDE UPDATES THROUGH THE INVESTIGATION, GIVE IT TO YOU ONCE IT'S COMPLETED.
THEY PROVIDE GUIDANCE AND COUNSEL ALONG WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE THROUGH THE INVESTIGATIVE PROCESS, AND AT THE COMPLETION AND FINALITY OF IT, THEN THEY GET THE COMPLETE PACKET AND THEY AUDIT THAT.
UM, AND SO THAT'S WHERE THAT, THAT CATEGORY MAY TOLL A LITTLE BIT LONGER SO THAN SOME OF THE OTHERS.
AND, AND IF I MAY JUST ADD, UH, SOMETHING TO THAT, THAT'S NOT JUST WITH COMPLAINTS, BUT THROUGH A, A DAILY LOG OF ACTIVITIES, WE KNOW WHEN THERE IS A USE OF FORCE OR A PURSUIT AND IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, UM, BEFORE, UH, THE REVIEW IS COMPLETED, UH, WE DISCUSS THAT IN OUR WEEKLY MEETINGS OR SOMETIMES ONE-ON-ONE, UH, AS WELL.
SO, UH, WE ARE IN FULL SYNC WITH THE OPERATIONS OF, OF THE DEPARTMENT.
UM, AND, UH, THIS IS JUST A, UH, GRAPHICAL DEPICTION OF THE FULL REVIEW LIFECYCLE, UM, OF THOSE ITEMS WHICH ARE REVIEWED FIRST BY THE DEPARTMENT AND THEN BY US.
I, I KNOW YOU DID DO THIS 'CAUSE WE ASKED ABOUT THIS LAST MONTH.
SO I WANNA THANK YOU THAT YOU LISTENED AND, AND DID THIS SO THAT, YOU KNOW, I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THAT.
AND I THINK IT WILL BECOME, UH, MORE UNDERSTANDABLE, UH, AS WE MOVE MONTH TO MONTH.
UH, JANUARY WAS AN ANOMALY BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T HAVE PRIOR MONTHS ON THE CHART.
REALLY APPRECIATE YOU GUYS EFFORT.
UH, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, GO AHEAD.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE, UM, THE DEFINITION OF AN AQUAS? WHAT DOES THAT STAND FOR? AN ACA IS, UH, A, UH, AN ABBREVIATION FOR AGREED UPON COURSE OF ACTION.
SO WHEN WE ARE REVIEWING AGREED AN INCIDENT PURSUANT TO THAT 360 DEGREE REVIEW PROCESS THAT I TALKED ABOUT, UH, A LITTLE EARLIER, UM, WE MAY SEE SOMETHING, UH, THAT WE BELIEVE NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
UM, USUALLY AGAIN, IT'S THROUGH COACHING, MENTORING, OR RETRAINING.
BUT IN OUR WEEKLY MEETING, WE DISCUSS IT AND WE, UH, WE COME UP WITH AN AGREED UPON COURSE OF ACTION.
UH, IT IS POSSIBLE THAT WE WOULD DISAGREE, WE RESPECT TO THE COURSE OF ACTION.
THAT HASN'T HAPPENED YET IN THE 20 MONTHS OR SO THAT WE HAVE, UH, BEEN DOING THIS.
UM, BUT THE AGREED UPON COURSE OF ACTION IS RECORDED AND THEN FOLLOWED UP ON.
SO THAT MIGHT BE, UM, THE, THE
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SUPERVISOR IS GOING TO TALK TO OFFICER JONES ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR INCIDENT AND HOW HIS PERFORMANCE RELATIVE TO WHATEVER MIGHT HAVE BEEN IMPROVED BY DOING WHATEVER THAT WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE.UH, SUPERVISOR IS GOING TO TALK TO, UH, OFFICER JONES ABOUT NOT, UH, PUTTING HIS SEATBELT ON QUICKLY ENOUGH, UH, AT THE INITIATION OF A PURSUIT, ANOTHER ACA.
AND THEN WE WILL GET A REPORT BACK DURING OUR NEXT WEEK'S MEETING THAT THIS ACA WAS COMPLETED OR DURING AN OFFLINE SESSION, UH, THAT DENISE HAS, UH, WITH LIEUTENANT K FLAVIANA.
SO IT'S THE REVIEW POLICY FOR BEST PRACTICES FOR OFFICERS.
LIKE SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO REVIEW AS A TEACHER, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THE TEACHER HAS AN INCIDENT AND YOU NEED TO REVIEW WHAT THE BRE BEST PRACTICE WOULD BE IN THAT SITUATION.
YEAH, IT'S, I I SUPPOSE ONE COULD LOOK AT IT AS A, WHERE THERE IS A DEVIATION, UH, FROM BEST PRACTICE THAT THAT RESULTS IN AN AGREED UPON COURSE OF ACTION TO REMEDIATE THAT DEVIATION.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES, IT DOES.
UH, DID YOU HAVE ANY, UH, QUESTIONS AS WELL? YES, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
REALLY APPRECIATE YOU MAKING THIS.
THIS IS 90% OF WHAT I HAD IN MIND AND I THINK THAT WE COULD PROBABLY ALL AGREE THAT SEEING IT IS A LOT EASIER TO FOLLOW.
MY ONLY CLARIFYING, AND I KNOW THAT THE COLUMNS DON'T TALK TO EACH OTHER AND THEY'RE NOT MEANT TO, AND THEY PROBABLY WON'T.
BUT THE CORE OF MY, MY, YOU KNOW, DIRECTIVE LAST TIME AND WHAT I WAS HOPING FOR WAS SORT OF A, A TRACKING TIMELINE.
AND IT MADE ME THINK ABOUT DURING YOUR PRESENTATION EARLIER WHEN YOU SAID YOU, YOU TAKE TWO DAYS WHERE YOU JUST LOOK AT, AT BODY-WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE AND NO ONE'S, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A SNAPSHOT AND NO ONE'S ASKING YOU TO LOOK AT IT.
I WONDER IF YOU COULD RANDOMLY TAKE A COMPLAINT OR TAKE AN INCIDENT AND, AND TRACK IT SO THAT, SO I UNDERSTAND IT MIGHT NOT BE FEASIBLE TO TRACK ABSOLUTELY ALL OF THEM, THE LIFE CYCLE OF THEM.
BUT I DO WONDER, UM, IF THERE WOULD BE A WAY TO, TO KIND OF TRACK THE, THE LIFE CYCLE OF SOMETHING LIKE CHIEF SAID, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT TAKE QUITE A LONG TIME, BUT IF ALL I'M SEEING IS 10 AND THE NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS, AND THEN IN FEBRUARY IT'S 12, I DON'T KNOW IF 10 WERE FROM JANUARY AND TWO ARE NEW, OR IF EIGHT WERE FROM JANUARY AND FOUR, YOU KNOW, SO THERE, THAT TRACKING ABILITY GOING FORWARD AND IT MIGHT WORK ITSELF OUT, I DON'T, I THINK IS KIND OF GETTING LOST BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ABLE TO TRULY KNOW WHICH ONES ARE RESIDUAL FROM JANUARY, WHICH FROM FEBRUARY, WHICH FROM MARCH.
AND THAT'S WHAT I WANNA KNOW, WHICH ONES ARE STILL IN JANUARY, WHEN WE'RE IN APRIL.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? YEAH.
AND UH, WE'LL TAKE THAT UNDER ADVISEMENT AND SEE IF WE CAN IMPROVE.
I THINK WHAT YOU'RE BASICALLY TALKING ABOUT IS AN AGING TABLE OF, UH, FOR EACH OF THESE, THESE CATEGORIES.
UM, YEAH, MAYBE JUST PICKING ONE OR OR TWO, UM, JUST SO THAT WE AS PEOPLE WHO AREN'T LIVING WITH THIS DATA ALL THE TIME AND SUPER COMFORTABLE WITH IT, CAN SEE, OKAY, THIS ONE TOOK SIX MONTHS AND THIS ONE TOOK THREE WEEKS.
JUST SO WE HAVE SOME PERSPECTIVE OF, OF HOW THINGS ARE BEING HANDLED AND TO, TO KIND OF GET, YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE, IT CAN BE VAGUE, BUT JUST TRACKING, LIKE YOU SAID, AN AGING SORT OF THING, I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL, AT LEAST FOR MYSELF, UH, TO SEE HOW LONG THINGS ARE TAKING AND THE VARIABLES THAT AFFECT THAT.
YEAH, I THINK THEY'LL, THE, JUST FROM OUR INTERNAL EXPECTATIONS, 'CAUSE WE'VE BEEN HAVING SOME OF THOSE SAME CONVERSATIONS IN THE INFANCY OF OUR MODEL IS, ARE WE PROPERLY RESOURCED TO HANDLE THE DEMAND OF SOME OF THESE PROCESSES? AND SO WE'VE BEEN TRACKING AND SO WE TRY TO KEEP WITHIN A 30 TO 60 DAY TURNAROUND ON ALL OF THESE WITH REALLY THE EMPHASIS ON USES OF FORCE, SHOW OF FORCE IN VEHICLE PURSUITS.
'CAUSE THOSE ARE OPERATIONAL ISSUES GENERALLY.
AND WE WANT TO PROVIDE TIMELY FEEDBACK TO OUR STAFF IF THERE'S CORRECTIVE ACTION THERE.
AND THEN AGAIN, UH, THE, THE COMPLAINTS WILL BE THE AREA THAT WILL BE EXTENDING GENERALLY BEYOND THAT BECAUSE THERE'S, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALSO, IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S DISCIPLINE ATTACHED TO A COMPLAINT, THERE'S THE, THE APPEAL RIGHTS AND THERE'S THE, ALL THE, THE UNION KIND OF CONSIDERATIONS THAT DRASTICALLY EXTEND THOSE.
BUT, BUT THE INTENT AGAIN IS WE REALLY WANT TO KEEP THESE
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AS SEAMLESS AND QUICK AND WE DEFINITELY ARE HAVING THE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE TEAM IN A CONTEMPORANEOUS NATURE TO PROVIDE THAT FEEDBACK IMMEDIATELY AND TIMELY THROUGH OUR CHAIN OF COMMAND BACK TO THE LINE STAFF.UH, ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMITTEE QUESTIONS? OKAY.
UH, AT THIS TIME I'D LIKE TO OPEN, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE PRESENTATION ITEM AND ASK SPEAKERS TO BRING THEIR CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY.
I'D LIKE TO ASK CLERK IF WE RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
UH, WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING REGARDING THIS TOPIC.
UH, IF I COULD ASK THE CLERK HOW ARE WE DOING ON TIME? UM, I WAS GONNA WAIT TILL ABOUT SEVEN 20.
UM, IF WE NEED AN EXTENSION, IT'S 7 0 7 NOW.
SO WE HAVE TIME TILL SEVEN 30.
YEAH, I'M WONDERING, I'D LIKE TO PUT THE QUESTION TO THE REST OF THE COMMITTEE SINCE WE ARE DOWN TO MEMBERS.
SHOULD WE MAYBE POSTPONE THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM, THE MEMBERS CONTINUE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND OUTREACH DISCUSSION UNTIL EVERYONE'S HERE.
OR WE CAN TENTATIVELY DECIDE SOMETHING AND VOTE ON IT NEXT TIME AND YEAH.
YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S POSSIBLE.
NEXT MEETING TWO PEOPLE ARE OUT, SO THAT'S TRUE.
IF OTHERS WANNA WHO ARE HERE NEXT TIME, WE CAN KEEP THAT ON THE AGENDA.
THEN I WOULD MOVE, I WOULD MOVE TO POSTPONE THE MEMBERS, CONTINUE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND OUTREACH DISCUSSION TO NEXT MEETING.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND THAT.
UM, SO DO WE HAVE, OKAY, MACIA? YES, YES, YES.
THAT GIVES US A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO WORK WITH
AND THEN CAN, CAN I JUST ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION ON THAT? I THINK, I THINK WE'RE LOOKING TO THE COMMITTEE TO GUIDE THAT DISCUSSION AMONGST YOURSELVES.
UM, THAT'S NOT, THERE'S NOT AN ASK WITHIN THAT OF STAFF TO BRING ANYTHING FOR, FOR YOU ALL IN THAT CONVERSATION.
IS THERE, I THOUGHT MAYBE THAT I HAD IT WRITTEN DOWN THAT YOU'RE, THERE'S GONNA BE BROCHURES OR A POSSIBILITY OF HAVING MATERIALS COMPILED SO THAT WHEN WE DO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GONNA GO OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY, WE HAVE SOMETHING.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING I COULD THINK OF.
YEAH, SO I, I RESPONDED TO THAT REQUEST AT THE LAST MEETING.
I HAD MET WITH CITY MANAGER FLYNN.
UH, THERE'S TWO, TWO RESPONSES.
SO ONE AT THIS POINT IN TIME, UH, SHE WOULD PREFER TO BRING THAT BACK TO OUR COMMUNICATIONS TEAM WITHIN THE CITY.
WE HAVE A, A NUMBER OF, OF OTHER COMMITTEES, COMMISSIONS, AND BOARDS, AND SHE WANTS TO BE EQUITABLE AMONGST ALL OF THEM.
SHE THINKS THE WORK IS, IS IMPORTANTLY EQUALLY OR EQUALLY IMPORTANT FOR ALL OF THEM.
AND SO, UM, SHE'S GONNA TRY TO STRATEGIZE HOW TO SHARE.
UM, AND I KNOW THAT OUR CITY CLERK IS ACTUALLY IN APRIL, GONNA BE DOING RECRUITMENTS FOR OPENING COMMITTEE POSITIONS CITYWIDE.
AND SO THEY'RE GONNA TRY TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
SO SHE, SHE HEARD IT, SHE, I'VE SHARED IT.
UM, BUT AT THIS TIME WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A MATERIAL PREPARED.
UM, BUT I THINK THAT DOESN'T DISCOURAGE YOU FROM ENGAGING IN THE COMMUNITY AND BRINGING THINGS BACK.
AND I WAS JUST GONNA OFFER THAT MAYBE, YOU KNOW, HAPPY TO PUSH THIS TO NEXT MEETING AS THE VOTE, UH, INDICATED, BUT IN YOUR COMMITTEE COMMENTS, I THINK IT'D BE GREAT TO HEAR REPORT OUTS ON WHAT ENGAGEMENT COMMITTEE MEMBERS MAY HAVE DONE FOR CONTEXT THROUGH THE LAST MONTH MEETING TO MEETING, UM, WOULD BE HELPFUL.
THEN AT THIS POINT I'D LIKE TO
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MOVE DOWN TO THE COMMITTEE COMMENTS AND PSAC LONG RANGE CALENDAR.UM, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE A LONG RANGE CALENDAR REGARDING UPDATING MEETING DATES AND POTENTIAL AGENDA ITEMS. CALL ON COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO PROVIDE COMMENTS, REPORT OUT EVENTS ATTENDED, OR BRING FORWARD FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. UH, I OPEN IT UP TO ANY OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
UM, I DID HEAR FROM A COMMUNITY MEMBER, AND IN FACT, THAT'S, I WAS WONDERING WHEN THAT WOULD COME UP, BUT I FORGOT THAT THERE WAS COMMUNITY, I MEAN, COMMITTEE COMMENTS.
UM, SO I DID HEAR FROM A COMMUNITY MEMBER THAT SHORTLY AFTER THE NEW ADMINISTRATION ANNOUNCED THAT ICE COULD DETAIN PEOPLE AT SCHOOLS, OBVIOUSLY CAUSING A LOT OF, UH, DISMAY.
A POLICE CAR WAS PARKED IN A LOT OF A SCHOOL WITH A PREDOMINANTLY LATIN POPULATION, UM, SEEMINGLY WITHOUT A PURPOSE AND BLOCKED SOME CARS FROM LEAVING AFTER THEY DROPPED, AFTER PEOPLE
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WERE DROPPING OFF STUDENTS.AND ACCORDING TO THIS COMMUNITY MEMBER, PEOPLE WERE TERRIFIED.
AND, UM, HONESTLY, SHE DIDN'T WANT TO KIND OF SAY WHO SHE IS AND, BUT I SAID, I WOULD LET YOU KNOW, LET IT BE KNOWN THAT THIS APPARENTLY HAPPENED.
UM, SO A, A FEW RESPONSES TO THAT ONE, UH, A LITTLE DIFFICULT FOR ME TO, TO SPEAK TO A SPECIFIC INCIDENT WITHOUT CONTEXT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE DEFINITELY ENGAGED WITH PETALUMA CITY SCHOOLS AND ALL OF OUR DISTRICTS LOCALLY, UM, ABOUT THE TOPIC OF IMMIGRATION.
I KNOW THEIR ADMINISTRATIONS OR STAFF ARE RECEIVING TRAINING ON PROTOCOLS IF THEY WERE TO, TO ENCOUNTER THOSE SITUATIONS, UM, RECENTLY, AND PART OF WHAT MY STAFF COMMENT REPORT OUT WAS GONNA BE FOR YOU THAT I'LL, I'LL HINT AT IS, UH, LAST WEEK I JOINED CHIEF KREGAN, CHIEF MATTOS AND SHERIFF INGRAM, UH, FOR THE HISPANIC CHAMBER OF COMMERCE OF, OF SONOMA COUNTY'S MIXER AT THE FINLAY CENTER.
UM, THERE WAS ACTUALLY A, A, A DEMONSTRATION ON INDIVIDUALS, UH, IN RESPONSE TO, TO IMMIGRATION ISSUES.
UM, BUT WE FIELDED A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS ABOUT OUR, OUR INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENT STRATEGIES AND POSITIONS.
WE SPOKE ABOUT SB 54, SENATE BILL 54, THE CALIFORNIA VALUES ACT AND TRUTH ACT THAT, THAT DICTATE AND ARE THE LEGISLATIVE MANDATES THAT PROHIBIT US FROM PARTICIPATING, INVOLVING, OR INQUIRING ABOUT MATTERS OF IMMIGRATION OR PEOPLE'S DOCUMENTATION OR LACK OF DOCUMENTATION STATUS.
AND THEN REALLY PROUDLY THE CITY, UH, PASSED A RESOLUTION ON MONDAY NIGHT AT CITY COUNCIL.
REAFFIRMING WHAT WE'VE SAID SINCE 2017, WHAT WE BROUGHT BACK IN 2021, WHAT WE REAFFIRMED, UM, AND ADDED IT TO ASIAN HATE IN 2023.
UM, BUT WE JUST ADOPTED A NEW RESOLUTION ON, IN, UH, MONDAY NIGHT FOR 2025, REAFFIRMING OUR POSITION ON IMMIGRATION INCLUSIVITY AND OUR COMPLIANCE WITH SENATE BILL 54.
SO, UM, I'VE SHARED THAT TODAY AS A MATTER OF FACT, AND FOLLOW UP WITH SOME, SOME COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THAT MY DEPARTMENT'S BEEN DOING WITH PETALUMA CITY SCHOOLS, UM, WITH THEIR, THEIR PIO, UM, WITH THE OPPORTUNITY AND OFFERING OF ONE OF OUR OFFICERS WHO CAME AND WAS BORN IN MEXICO AND NATIONALIZED, UH, TO GO TO THE ELAC MEETINGS AND POTENTIALLY SPEAK TO THE PARENTS.
UM, ONE OF THE AWKWARD AND DISHEARTENING INTERACTIONS THAT I HAD ACTUALLY ON, ON TUESDAY WAS FOR THIRD AND FOURTH GRADERS OVER AT VALLEY VISTA SCHOOL.
WE WERE DOING LUNCH AND LAW ENFORCEMENT, UM, DAY WHERE WE MEET WITH THESE STUDENTS AND WE ANSWER THEIR QUESTIONS AND WE TALK TO 'EM ABOUT BEING COMMUNITY HELPERS.
BUT, UH, A FEW YOUNG GIRLS CAME UP TO ME AND ASKED ME, UH, THAT IF WE ARREST PEOPLE THAT ARE WITHOUT PAPERS OR IF WE, UM, DEAL WITH IMMIGRATION ISSUES.
AND SO I WAS DISHEARTENED THAT CLEARLY THEY'RE HAVING THOSE TYPE OF CONVERSATIONS, THEY HAVE THE AWARENESS TO THAT.
AND I, YOU KNOW, I SHARED WITH HER THAT WE DON'T, WE, IN MY 20 YEARS, WE'VE NEVER, I'VE NEVER BEEN INVOLVED IN AN IMMIGRATION MATTER, NOR CAN WE, THAT IT'S ILLEGAL FOR US TO GET INVOLVED IN THOSE THINGS.
SO WE ARE DEFINITELY TRYING TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION.
AND, UM, WITH THE REGARDS TO A POLICE OFFICER OR A POLICE CAR PARKED IN PROXIMITY OR IN, IN A PARKING LOT OF A SCHOOL, WE'RE GOING TO THE SCHOOLS OFTEN, UM, FOR A VARIETY OF CALLS FOR SERVICE.
AND, AND I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHERE THEY WERE PARKED OR HOW THEY WERE PARKED, BUT I KNOW LIVING IN THE AREA OF A SCHOOL MYSELF, I GET CALLS FROM MY WIFE, UM, ASKING WHY WE'RE THERE, IS SOMETHING GOING ON WORRIED ABOUT MY OWN CHILDREN? UM, SO I KNOW THAT IT'S GONNA BE TRAUMATIC, BUT AT THE SAME TOKEN, PART OF WHY WE'RE DOING OUR ENGAGEMENT THROUGH, THROUGH A VARIETY OF SCHOOLS IS TO, TO NORMALIZE THAT AND NOT MAKE, HOPEFULLY OUR PRESENCE AND RESPONSE TO A SCHOOL FOR WHAT NORMALLY IS RELATIVELY LOW LEVEL OR BENIGN ISSUES, TRAUMATIC OR TRIGGERING FOR COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
UM, SO HOPEFULLY THAT'S HELPFUL.
WE DEFINITELY, I'D BE HAPPY TO SHARE IF YOU GO ON THE AGENDA FROM MONDAY NIGHT, THE RESOLUTION'S ON THERE AND THE STAFF REPORT.
IT'S, IT WOULD, WE'D, WE'D WELCOME THE INFORMATION SHARING THERE.
I WAS LISTENING IN AND IT'S GREAT
AND THEN I KNOW, UM, OUR, OUR FORMER LIAISON COUNCIL MEMBER POST
SO WE'RE TRYING TO, AS A CITY PARTNER WHERE WE CAN, AND ALSO, UH, AS YOUR POLICE CHIEF AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WERE TRYING TO NAVIGATE THE COMPLEXITIES OF, OF STAYING AND NOT OVERSTEPPING WHAT WE, UH, CAN AND CAN'T DO, BUT LETTING OUR CITY PARTNERS AND, AND HELP US IN SUPPORTING ALL OF OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS HERE.
AND JUST TO ADD TO THAT, UM, I'VE BEEN TO
THEY HAD, UM, A, A LUNCHEON AND A PRESENTATION BY THE COUNTY BOARD OF EDUCATION AND AMY CARTER WAS THERE.
AND EXPLAINING WHAT THE TEACHERS
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THROUGHOUT SONOMA COUNTY ARE DOING, UM, TO NOT ONLY HELP WITH THE MENTAL HEALTH OF OUR STUDENTS BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO SCHOOL WORRYING ABOUT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THEIR PARENTS OR THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS.AND SO THAT LEVEL IS REALLY WONDERFUL TO HEAR.
AND THEN ALSO, WE ATTENDED ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, THE CITY MANAGER, THE CITY ATTORNEY.
WE WERE ALL PART OF A, A COUNCIL MEMBERS AND, UM, MAYORS OF SONOMA COUNTY.
AND THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY GAVE A PRESENTATION ON, UM, IS IT RED AND YELLOW CARDS? MM-HMM
AND WHAT THEY MEAN AND HOW THEY'RE GAINING THEM OUT AND WHAT THE RIGHTS ARE.
AND SO WE ARE GETTING EDUCATED AT THESE PRESENTATIONS AS COUNCIL MEMBERS AND, YOU KNOW, CIVIC LEADERS AND WHERE IT'S COMING FROM, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THE BOARD OF EDUCATION, AND THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY.
SO JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY GETTING OUR EDUCATION THIS LAST THREE WEEKS.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER SORT OF, UM, COMMENTS TO AGENDA ITEMS OR, UH, LONG RANGE CALENDAR TOPICS ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO, UH, BRING FORWARD? I'D LIKE TO ASK THE STAFF.
I CAN SEE WE HAVE SOME OPENINGS ON THE AGENDA FOR JUNE, AUGUST, SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER.
DO WE NEED TO FILL THOSE NOW OR ARE YOU GUYS FINE LEAVING THEM OPEN FOR ANOTHER BIT OF TIME? NO, I THINK, I THINK WE, UH, WE WELCOME FEEDBACK AND BUILDING OUT THE CALENDAR.
UM, WE'RE HAPPY TO, IF YOU WANNA WAIT FOR YOUR OTHER COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO BE HERE AT A FUTURE MEETING.
UM, WE DO, UM, AS MENTIONED PLAN TO BRING BACK THE 2024 RIPPA DATA IN MARCH.
AND THEN OUR ANNUAL REPORT, UM, OR SORRY, OUR, OUR, OUR INTENT IS TO ALSO BRING FORWARD AND HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE POTENTIAL CREATION OF A NEW STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THE DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS OUR MILITARY EQUIPMENT.
SO THOSE ONES ON THERE ARE, ARE PLACED IN A, IN A STRATEGIC PLACE TO ALLOW STAFF TIME TO WORK AND ALIGN WITH OTHER CALENDAR EVENTS FOR THE CITY.
BUT, UM, THE, UH, THE OTHER OPENINGS, WE'D LOVE SOME DIRECTION TO, TO FILL THOSE IN.
DIDN'T, DIDN'T, DIDN'T WE TALK AT ONE POINT ABOUT BO SOMETHING ABOUT BODY-WORN CAMERAS? I DID.
I BROUGHT THAT UP AT THE LAST MEETING MM-HMM
UH, AS SORT OF A LONG RANGE AGENDA ITEM.
BUT TO THE CHIEF'S POINT, I THINK WE NEED THE, WE NEED TO AT LEAST HAVE SOME SORT OF STRAW POLL OR STRAW VOTE SO THAT WE ALL SORT OF AGREE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO PUT ON THE AGENDA.
SO YEAH, THAT I'D BE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GUYS WANT TO SORT OF HAVE A QUICK STRAW VOTE NOW IF MAYBE FOR THE JUNE, UM, MEETING AS A TENTATIVE AGENDA ITEM, WE CAN ADD BODY-WORN CAMERA POLICY REVIEW.
UH, DO WE HAVE A SECOND FOR THAT? I SECOND THAT.
I WONDER IF WE COULD, I'M REALLY INTERESTED IN THE RECRUITMENT AND BACKGROUND INVESTIGATIONS FOR OFFICERS.
UM, 'CAUSE IT, THAT'S WHERE IT STARTS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THAT WOULD TAKE AND IF THAT SHOULD BE BUNDLED WITH SOMETHING ELSE.
MAYBE, UM, AND YOU GUYS CAN TELL ME IF IT WOULD BE TOO, TOO MUCH FOR ONE DAY, BUT MAYBE SOMETHING ABOUT, UM, BIAS POLICY OR THE POLICE CANINE TEAM, SOMETHING ELSE THAT MAYBE ONE OF THE, WE CAN HAVE IT BE A RECRUITMENT AND MAYBE A SPECIALTY GROUP, UH, PRESENTATION.
IF NOT, WE CAN JUST START WITH THAT AND, AND SEE.
BUT I THINK I'D BE INTERESTED IN KNOWING, UM, I KNOW WE HAVE A PRETTY DIVERSE DEPARTMENT THAT HAS A LOT OF SPANISH SPEAKERS.
UM, A LOT OF YOUNG OFFICERS, A LOT OF EDUCATED OFFICERS.
AND I KNOW WE'VE BRUSHED ON IT, BUT I'D LOVE TO, TO DIVE DEEPER INTO THAT.
PERSONALLY, I THINK IT'D BE A GREAT IDEA TO MAYBE PUT THEM BOTH ON FOR JUNE AND, UM, IF, UH, IF SOME SPACE OPENS UP BEFORE THAT, THAT'D BE GREAT.
BUT AT LEAST WE KNOW THEY'RE BOTH ON THE AGENDA THIS YEAR.
I DO WE HAVE A SECOND FOR MAYBE ADDING THAT AS WELL TO JUNE? I SECOND THAT.
I REALLY APPRECIATE GETTING THAT AGENDA STUFF SORTED OUT.
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OKAY.ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? LONG RANGE AGENDA ITEMS, REPORT OUT ON EVENTS OR ANY FUTURE AGENDA TOPICS? A LOW HANGING FRUIT
I KNOW THE CHIEF IS GONNA LAUGH AT ME, BUT, UM, THE, UM, IT IS 24 7 IS TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT ALONG WITH PARKING ENFORCEMENT.
UM, WE GET A LOT OF IRATE, UM, YOU KNOW, DRIVERS BEHIND THE WHEEL.
AND I WAS WONDERING HOW PETALUMA WAS DOING COMPARED TO THE REST OF THE COUNTY AND, AND TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT.
I I, I HAVE TO KNOCK ON WHAT, I HAVEN'T HAD A TICKET IN A LONG TIME, UM, PROBABLY SINCE MY KIDS WERE TEENAGERS, BUT I WAS JUST WONDERING HOW TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT, SINCE WE ARE CHANGING THE LANES AND ALSO WITH THE, UM, E-BIKES.
WHAT'S E-BIKE? THE E-BIKES, MOTOR BIKES ARE THE MOTORIZED, UM, E-BIKES, OF COURSE E-BIKES, UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE ON SIDEWALKS.
AND THEY'RE NOT IN THE PARKING.
UH, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE THEY'RE IN THE LANES AND NOT ON THE BIKE LANES AND THERE'S A LOT OF COMPLAINTS.
AND ANYWAY, I WOULD JUST LOVE TO SEE TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT ALONG WITH THE E-BIKES ENFORCEMENT AND WHAT WE'RE DOING IN PETALUMA.
I KNOW WE JUST HAD SOMETHING ON SOCIAL MEDIA ABOUT IT.
I JUST WANTED TO, UH, LET YOU KNOW THAT, THAT BOTH OF THOSE ITEMS WILL BE GOING TO COUNSEL PROBABLY THIS SUMMER.
UM, AND WHAT WE CAN DO IS THAT WHEN WE HAVE A BETTER TIMELINE IDENTIFIED, WE CAN BRING IT BACK TO THE PSAC IN TERMS OF PRIOR TO THAT, GOING TO COUNCIL AND HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS.
UM, WE HAVEN'T SELECTED A DATE YET BECAUSE OUR COUNCIL CALENDAR IS PRETTY IMPACTED.
UM, BUT, BUT THE PARKING ENFORCEMENT ORDINANCE, UM, ALONG WITH, UH, A E-BIKES AND OTHER ISSUES WILL, UH, OUR, OUR COUNCIL ITEMS THAT THE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS, IS ATTEMPTING TO IDENTIFY A DATE TO ADDRESS.
YEAH, I I, I THINK AGAIN, YOU KNOW, JUST TO MAYBE CLARIFY WHAT, WHAT CHAIR MILLER WAS SPEAKING TO A FEW MINUTES AGO IS, UH, WE SERVE AT, AT, AT THE DIRECTION AND RECOMMENDATION OF YOU ALL AS FAR AS BUILDING THE AGENDA.
AND SO, UM, WHAT'S CHALLENGING FOR STAFF AND WHAT I HAVE SPOKEN WITH CHAIR MILLER ABOUT FOLLOWING THE LAST MEETING IS SOMETIMES THERE'S COMMENTS AND IT'S NOT CLEAR TO, TO STAFF IF THAT IS THE CONSENSUS AND THE WILL OF THE COMMITTEE.
AND SO IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC TO THE BODY-WORN CAMERA, YOU KNOW, I SHARED WITH CHAIR MILLER, HEY, WE HEARD THAT THERE WAS INTEREST THERE, BUT WE DIDN'T GET CLEAR DIRECTION TO AGENDIZE THAT.
AND SO IF THERE ARE THESE TOPICS OF INTEREST THAT THAT'S WHY WE'RE, WE'RE EXERCISING THE VOTING OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S THE COMMITTEE AND WE HAVE CONSENSUS THERE.
AND THEN HAPPY TO PUT THOSE ON.
SO WE'RE ALSO HAPPY IF YOU WANT TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT ON HERE, CANINE ON HERE, RECRUITMENT, JUST TELL US WHERE THEY ARE AND WE'LL, WE'LL FIGURE OUT IF THE CAPACITY EXCEEDS A MEETING AND WE'LL POTENTIALLY HAVE TO, TO BIFURCATE THOSE OR WE CAN BUILD IT OUT OR WE CAN LEAVE THIS AS FLUID AS YOU LIKE AND GO, YOU KNOW, NEXT WEEK OR NEXT MONTH.
WE COULD ALWAYS ADD THE FOLLOWING ONES OR, OR, OR WHATNOT.
BUT WE REALLY LOOK TO YOU ALL FOR DIRECTION IN BUILDING OUT THAT AGENDA.
AND I'M REMISS, I FORGOT I'VE HEARD FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS, UM, THAT THEY REALLY WANNA HEAR ABOUT THE DRONES AND THE AUTOMATIC LICENSE PLATE READERS AND ALL OF THE TECHNOLOGICAL THINGS SURE.
SO I'M HOPING THAT WE COULD GET THAT AGENDAS OR, YOU KNOW, PUT IT ON THE LIST.
THIS A LITTLE DIFFERENT, BUT I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT, UH, THE POLICE POLICY IS LIKE WHEN WE HAVE A PARADE OR THE ANTIQUE FAIR OR MUSICALS WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE, THE PROTECTION, WE SAW WHAT HAPPENED IN NEW ORLEANS.
YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE HAVE LIKE AT CORNERS TO BLOCK PEOPLE? A CUSHMAN A FEW CONES, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IF SOMEBODY REALLY WANTED TO DO HARM, THEY COULD GO RIGHT THROUGH US.
THAT, UH, THAT AND THAT SCARES ME.
SO MA MAJOR EVENT MANAGEMENT, SPECIAL EVENT PERMITTING, UM, MASS CASUALTY INCIDENTS COULD BE IN AND OF ITSELF, UH, MULTIPLE PRESENTATIONS OR A MEETING.
UH, WE DO HAVE A VARIETY OF THINGS.
WE'RE ALWAYS, AND YOU KNOW, AS WE EVALUATE THE EVER EVOLVING DYNAMIC WORLD WE LIVE IN AND THE VOLATILITY OF THE WORLD, THE THE THINGS THAT WE DID 20 YEARS AGO IS DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT THAN OUR STRATEGIES NOW.
SO WE ARE LOOKING AT HARDENING TRAFFIC CONTROL POINTS.
UM, WE HAVE STAFFED UNIFORMED OFFICERS IN PLACES WE THAT ARE.
SO THERE'S ATTENDED PERSONNEL.
WE RECENTLY APPLIED FOR A GRANT, UM,
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FOR A, UH, REMOVABLE BARRICADE TO GO BACK THAT THOSE WERE THE, THE ONES REFERENCED IN THAT REPORT THAT WERE ACCESSIBLE BUT NOT UTILIZED.UM, SO WE WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE THINGS.
WE'VE USED WATER TRUCKS AND WATER TENDERS FROM OUR PUBLIC WORKS TEAMS, OR RECOLOGY TRAFFIC OR TRASH CAN TRUCKS TO BLOCK ROADWAYS.
SO THEY'RE LARGER VEHICLES, SO THEY'RE NOT THE, UH, THE PARKING ENFORCEMENT COMPACT, SMALL LITTLE VEHICLE
UM, BUT, UM, I ALSO THINK, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE A MORE EXTENDED CONVERSATION ON THAT, THAT WOULD BE AN ITEM THAT WE COULD ADD TO, TO THE PRIORITIZATION LIFT LIST AND BRING BACK.
BUT WE HAVE A ROBUST REVIEW PROCESS AND DEVELOP OPERATIONAL PLANS AND EMERGENCY, UH, ACTION PLANS IN, IN ALL OF OUR DOCUMENTATION FOR MAJOR EVENTS.
OUR, UH, BASED ON THOSE
WOULD YOU GUYS, WOULD THE THE COMMITTEE LIKE TO ADD EITHER OF THOSE ITEMS TO THE LONG RANGE CALENDAR FOR AUGUST? IT SOUNDS LIKE THE SUMMER MIGHT BE A GOOD TIME TO TALK ABOUT, UM, TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT AND E-BIKES AND, UH, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO, YEAH, I, AND THE ONLY THING I WOULD ALSO OFFER IS YOU WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY IN THE MILITARY EQUIPMENT REPORT, I THINK THAT IS IN JULY.
DRONES ARE SPECIFICALLY GOVERNED EQUIPMENT.
AND WE COULD SPEAK TO THE POLICIES, THE REGULATIONS SPECIFIC TO THAT.
THAT, THAT REPORT WON'T INCLUDE NECESSARILY LICENSE PLATE READER TECHNOLOGY, BUT WE CAN ALSO BRING BACK THAT AND, AND AT A LATER DATE OR ANY TIME THAT'S ACCEPTABLE.
BUT YOU'LL DEFINITELY BE HEARING ABOUT DRONES AND THE POLICIES AND THE UTILIZATIONS AND THE SPECIFIC INCIDENTS THAT WE DEPLOYED THEM THROUGHOUT THE YEAR IN JULY.
AND ALSO, I, I LIKE THAT WE ARE FLEXIBLE TOO, SO I MEAN, IF IT TURNS OUT THAT WE NEED TO SWITCH THINGS UP, WE HAVE MANY MONTHS TO DO SO.
I WOULD JUST ASK IF TO GIVE OUR TEAM, UH, TWO MEETING ADVANCE NOTICE.
'CAUSE BETWEEN THESE AND OUR WEEKLIES WITH THE IPA, WE'RE DEFINITELY DOING A LOT OF WORK AND THE LEAD TIME WOULD BE APPRECIATED FOR STAFF.
UH, JUST SO IT DOESN'T FALL, FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS.
DID THE COMMITTEE WANNA ADD ANY OF THOSE TO THE TENTATIVE AGENDA FOR NOW? I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT NOW.
IF ANYONE ELSE FEELS LIKE THAT'S A GOOD TIMEFRAME FOR THAT.
AND I THINK, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD.
NOT TO INTERRUPT, BUT BECAUSE SCHOOL STARTS IN AUGUST, SEPTEMBER.
SO DO WE HAVE A SECOND FOR THAT? YES.
OH, MAY I, MAY I JUST MAKE A COMMENT BEFORE? GO AHEAD.
ANYBODY VOTES ON THAT? AND I KNOW WE JUST DID TWO THINGS IN JUNE, BUT PERHAPS WE WANNA MAKE ONE OF THOSE IN AUGUST INSTEAD BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT IS ALL OF THE SUMMER ACTIVITIES.
AND THOSE ARE, JUNE IS MORE IN THE BEGINNING OF THE SUMMER AND YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE, I MEAN, I KNOW WE'LL ALREADY BE DONE WITH BUTTER AND EGGS AND ALL THAT STUFF, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF ON THE STREETS IN, IN THE SUMMER.
JUST SO ARE YOU MORE SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT, UM, PARADES AND PUBLIC GATHERING AND SORT OF WHAT POLICIES ARE AROUND SORT OF THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTOOD IF, I MEAN, I THINK IT WAS, I TOOK IT AS TWO DIFFERENT TOPICS.
HERS WAS THE MINE IS DIFFERENT.
THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS OH, I'M SO SORRY.
SO I I ACTUALLY WAS CONFLATING THEM COMPLETELY
UM, TRAFFIC I THINK WOULD BE PERFECT FOR AUGUST, SEPTEMBER BECAUSE SCHOOL IS BACK IN SESSION.
AND I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PSAS THAT GO OUT, HEY, SCHOOL'S BACK, YOU KNOW, SLOW DOWN AND ESPECIALLY 'CAUSE WE HAVE THE NEW SPEED LIMITS COMING FOR SCHOOLS.
SO THE, THE, THE CITY HAS, UM, SPEED REDUCTIONS IN SAFETY CORRIDORS.
AND SO DOWNTOWN BUSINESS DISTRICT HAS A SPEED REDUCTION IN SOME OF THE SCHOOLS CURRENTLY LOMA VISTA AND, UM, GRANTS.
I BELIEVE THERE'S TWO SCHOOLS CURRENTLY THAT HAVE ALREADY HAD THE SIGNS CHANGE FOR REDUCTION.
SO IT TAKES IT FROM 25 TO 20, UM, DURING THOSE HOURS OF SCHOOL TIME.
SO, UH, A LOT OF CHANGES THERE.
SO I DO AGREE IF, UM, I DON'T WANNA O OVERT MY OPINION, BUT I THINK AUGUST FOR TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT WILL ALSO, AS DEPUTY CHIEF MCGOWAN MENTIONED, WE'LL HAVE SOME I'LL GOOD WITH THAT.
SOME UPDATES ON PARKING POTENTIALLY AND POTENTIALLY SOME, SOME E-BIKE ENFORCEMENT UPDATES THAT WILL BE NOTABLE.
AND, AND I THINK THAT TIMING FOR A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT AND A REMINDER ON THE BACK TO SCHOOL COMMUTES WILL BE HELPFUL FOR OUR STUDENTS AND PARENTS.
I'LL GO AHEAD AND PUT THAT FORWARD.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND FOR ADDING TO THE AUGUST AGENDA? A DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY TRAFFIC, UM, RULES.
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DOES TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT AND TRAFFIC TRENDS MAKE SENSE? YEAH.DID YOU SAY TRAFFIC TRENDS AND, AND ENFORCEMENT? WE CAN PEAK A SECOND.
VOTE PASSES UNANIMOUSLY TO ADD THAT TO THE AUGUST AGENDA AND WE ARE AT THE 7 31 MARK.
THEN I THINK LET, WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND CALL IT FOR TONIGHT AND WE CAN KEEP, UH, ADJUSTING THE AGENDA WITH SOME OF THOSE LONG RANGE ITEMS FOR OUR NEXT MEETING.
IF A POLICE OFFICER SEES, AND I SAW IT ON CAWFIELD YESTERDAY, IT WAS UNBELIEVABLE.
THESE TWO BOYS YOUNG ON THESE E-BIKES, THEY WERE RACING, RACING UP, CAWFIELD IN AND OUT OF TRAFFIC, NO HELMETS.
AND CAN YOU GIVE THEM A TICKET? I MEAN, FOR SPEEDING OR, OR DANGER TO THE TRAFFIC FLOW OR I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD MOVE.
WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND ADJOURN THE MEETING SINCE WE'RE ALREADY PAST SEVEN 30 AND WE CAN GO AHEAD AND SORT OF CONTINUE THAT DISCUSSION.
IS THAT OKAY? OH, YOU DON'T WANT ME TO TALK ANYMORE? NO, I DO.
I'LL JUST, I DO, I WANT, I THINK THERE COULD BE.
I WANT, I WANT YOU TO, I WANT YOU TO TALK, IT'S JUST LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE ALREADY OVER TIME AND WE'D HAVE TO SORT OF HAVE A VOTE TO EXTEND THE TIME.
THIS TOOK BE A WHILE TO ASK THESE QUESTIONS.
NO, I, AND I DON'T WANT STOP YOU, SO I'LL JUST TAKE 10 SECONDS AND EXPLAIN.
WE HAVE A VARIETY OF OPPORTUNITIES TO SITE.
WE'RE SEEING REALLY DANGEROUS AND RECKLESS DRIVING BEHAVIORS WITH E-BIKES TO THE DEGREE I THINK MANY PARENTS, UM, OR, OR THE YOUTH THAT ARE USING THEM DON'T REALIZE THEY'RE NOT E-BIKES.
THERE'S A LOT OF 'EM THAT ARE ELECTRIC DIRT BIKES AND ELECTRIC MOTORCYCLES THAT ARE WHATSOEVER NOT STREET LEGAL.
THEY CAN GO UPWARDS OF 50 MILES AN HOUR.
I'VE SEEN 'EM ON SONOMA MOUNTAIN PARKWAY DOING WHEELIES IN TRAFFIC.
AND THESE ARE 12, 13, 14 YEAR OLDS.
SO, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT REVISIONS TO OUR MUNI CODE TO, TO INCREASE ENFORCEMENT.
BUT HELMETS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LICENSE FOR SOME OF THESE.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE LIGHTING EQUIPMENT, BLINKERS, HEADLIGHTS.
YOU DEFINITELY CAN'T BE DOING 40 MILES AN HOUR DOWN THE ROADWAY.
AND ALL THE SPEED RULES APPLY.
SO WE DON'T WANT ANYONE GETTING HURT.
UM, WE ENJOY SEEING OUR, OUR COMMUNITY USE ACTIVE MOBILITY AND TRANSPORTATION AND LOVE KIDS BEING OUT ON BIKES, BUT LOOKING FOR PEOPLE AND OUR MOTORISTS TO BE EXTRA, EXTRA DILIGENT AND CAUTIOUS.
WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PUBLIC SAFETY MATERIALS ON AND ON OUR WEBSITE AS WELL.
AND YOU JUST DID A PCA A THERE IS A SOCIAL MEDIA ABOUT E-BIKES, SO HEADS UP PARENTS.
YEAH, BECAUSE I AGREE THEY'RE GOING TOO FAST.
AND WITH THAT WE FOR CHRISTMAS
AND WITH THAT WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 7:34 PM THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR STAYING A LITTLE BIT LATE.