* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, WE WILL JUST PROCEED WITHOUT MARCUS AND IF A TECHNOLOGICAL NEW YORK WILL HAPPENS, FANTASTIC. UM, OKAY. [CALL TO ORDER] IT IS 6 0 3 BY MY O'CLOCK, SO LET'S CALL OURSELVES TO ORDER AND GET STARTED WITH A ROLL CALL. UH, COMMISSIONER NOMI HERE. COMMISSIONER DIETRICH IS HERE. COMMISSIONER MARGAN IS NOT HERE. UH, POTENTIALLY DIALING IN REMOTELY, BUT NOT HERE. UH, COMMISSIONER MCGAUGH HERE. COMMISSIONER SASSER. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER PERRY? UH OH. NO. ALL RIGHT. WELL, WE HAVE LOOK WARM, I BELIEVE STILL. WE HAVE QUORUM TO CONTINUE. UM, AND COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLY PRESENT, AND WE HAVE DAN AND CLAUDIA. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT. UM, I HAD A WHOLE NICE LITTLE NOTE HERE FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT BECAUSE WE HAD A MISCOMMUNICATION ABOUT WHERE IN THE AGENDA THE FUEL FARM WAS GONNA GO. AND I WAS GONNA SAY SOME THINGS TO LET PEOPLE KNOW. THEY COULD TALK ABOUT IT NOW, BUT THERE'S NOBODY HERE TO TALK ABOUT IT. SO, UM, I'LL SKIP MY SPIEL. , UH, . OH, DARN. DO WE HAVE ANY PRESENTATIONS TONIGHT? NO, NO PRESENTATIONS. OKAY. UM, [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] FOR THE MINUTES, UM, I DID HAVE ONE REQUEST. UM, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE BODY OF THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED, AND I APPRECIATE YOU PUTTING THOSE TOGETHER. CLAUDIA. MY REQUEST IS THAT WE APPEND THE TITLE 16 AS APPROVED TO THAT DOCUMENT FOR THE, THE RECORD, UM, SO THAT WE HAVE THAT DOCUMENT, NOT JUST MENTIONED IN THE MINUTES, BUT ACTUALLY THE DOCUMENT THAT WE, UH, APPROVED ATTACHED TO THOSE MINUTES. SO I WOULD, WE WILL PUBLISH THE FINAL MINUTES. THANK, UH, FOR, UH, THE FEBRUARY, UH, MEETING WITH, WITH THAT, UM, DOCUMENT THAT YOU PROVIDED. SO UNLESS ANYONE ELSE HAS ANY OTHER, UH, NOTES ON THE MINUTES, I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THEM WITH THAT ADDITION. UH, MOTION TO APPROVE. ALL IN FAVOR OF MINUTES. ALL RIGHT. YEP. AYE, ALL RIGHT. MINUTES ARE APPROVED WITH THAT ADDENDUM. THANK YOU. UM, ALL RIGHT. [PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION] WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION, WHICH IS THE CURRENT CITY PURCHASING LIMITS. UM, DAN, DID YOU WANNA INTRODUCE THAT FOR US, OR IS THAT A SURE. UM, THIS WAS THE RESULT OF SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS, UM, WITH, UH, I GUESS IT WAS AN AD HOC, UM, COMMISSIONER, UH, MORGAN AND, UM, COMMISSIONER PERRY HAD HAD, UM, SET UP A MEETING TO DISCUSS, UM, THE HANGAR DOOR REPAIR AND JUST KIND OF PURCHASING IN GENERAL. UH, SO WE MET, WE TALKED FOR ALMOST ABOUT AN HOUR, AND ONE OF THE TOPICS THAT THEY REALLY WANTED TO, TO DISCUSS AND, UM, AND, AND LOOK AT, I GUESS, OPTIONS AND OTHER, OTHER THINGS WOULD BE FOR THE, THE PURCHASE CURRENT PURCHASING LIMITS, UH, FOR THE CITY, UH, BELOW THE BID, UH, THRESHOLD. SO, UM, THE STAFF REPORT WE PUT TOGETHER, UH, MENTIONS THOSE LIMITS CURRENTLY, UH, 33,000. THE EXACT NUMBER HERE, UH, LET'S SEE HERE, 33, 30 $3,346 IS THE, UH, IS THE CEILING ON, UM, THE SPENDING THRESHOLD BEFORE WE HAVE TO GO TO A, A BID. UM, ANYTHING BELOW THAT WOULD EITHER BE A DIRECT PURCHASE OR A INFORMAL, UH, BID OR, UM, QUOTE PROCEDURE WHERE WE GET THREE QUOTES FOR A, LIKE ITEM. AND, UM, THEN WE TAKE THE LOW, THE LOW, UM, QUOTE. SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE'VE BEEN OPERATING. UH, ANY CHANGES TO THAT WOULD REQUIRE A CHANGE TO THE CITY CHARTER THAT WAS ORIGINALLY ESTABLISHED, AND THAT, UH, THAT AMOUNT HAS INCREASED, UH, WITH CPI INCREASES, UM, SINCE IT'S THE INCEPTION. UM, HOWEVER, IT IS A PRETTY LOW AMOUNT, AND I THINK IT PRETTY MUCH ACROSS THE CITY. I THINK EVERYONE, ALL THE CITY STAFF AND LEADERSHIP, UH, ACKNOWLEDGED THAT, UM, AT THIS TIME, UM, I THINK IT'S MORE OF A STAFF RESOURCES TO THEN, UM, REWRITE THAT CITY CHARTER TO, TO AMEND THAT WITH SUPPORTING, UM, INFORMATION AND DATA. SO, UM, IT, I THINK IT IS, IT IS A CITY GOAL, WHETHER IT'S, UH, IN OUR LIST OR NOT. IT IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, IS A GOAL. UM, BUT RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES, STAFF RESOURCES TO, UM, ADDRESS THAT ONE. UM, BUT THAT, THAT WOULD [00:05:01] HELP A LOT WITH SOME OF THE SORT OF, UH, NON, YOU KNOW, MUCH SMALLER PROJECTS THAT DON'T NECESSARILY RISE TO THE LEVEL OF BIDDING, LIKE A, LIKE A BIG PAVEMENT PROJECT SAY, OR A HANGAR, A HANGAR PROJECT OR, UH, SOMETHING TO DO WITH, UM, A BIG, UH, SOLAR OR DATA PROJECT. THESE ARE MUCH SMALLER, JUST, HEY, WE NEED TO REPLACE THIS DOOR, WE NEED TO REPLACE THIS, UM, PART OF THE AIRPORT THAT'S BEEN DAMAGED. AND, UM, THAT DEFINITELY MAKES THAT PROCESS MORE DIFFICULT. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE VERY BRIEF SUMMARY OF THAT. UM, BUT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT, UM, COMMISSIONERS MORGAN AND UH, UH, PERRY HAD HAD WANTED TO BRING UP, UH, JUST TO KIND OF GET THAT ON THE RADAR. THANK YOU AND APPRECIATE YOU FILLING IN FOR THEM. UM, I HAVE A QUESTION. UM, AND, AND FORGIVE ME, MOST OF MY PROFESSIONAL LIFE IS, IS GETTING EXEMPTIONS FROM EXISTING REQUIREMENTS. UM, IS THERE A MECHANISM BY WHICH WE COULD PETITION THE CITY FOR RELIEF FROM THIS REQUIREMENT FOR EVEN ON A PROJECT BY PROJECT BASIS, OR IS IT JUST, IS WHAT IT IS AND THERE'S NO, LIKE, NO, NOTHING. THERE ARE A COUPLE CATEGORIES. UH, ONE IS AN EMERGENCY CATEGORY. UM, I WILL SAY THAT EMERGENCIES ARE HARD TO DEFINE SOMETIMES. UM, THERE'S URGENCY TO MANAGE EVERY PROJECT. UM, BUT IF IT'S AN EMERGENCY, UH, WE CAN SPEND WELL OVER THAT. UH, BUT WE HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND WITH A STAFF REPORT AND EXPLAIN WHAT WE DID, UM, BECAUSE WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, WE'D NEED JUSTIFICATION FOR THAT. THE OTHER CATEGORY WOULD BE IF IT WAS A SPECIALTY, UM, ITEM OR A SERVICE NOT PROVIDED BY ANY OTHER, UM, BUSINESS ENTITIES. UH, SAY FOR INSTANCE, THE HANGAR DOOR. SO THE HANGAR DOOR IS A, UM, IS THE ORIGINAL MANUFACTURED HANGAR DOOR THAT WE PURCHASED. UH, THERE IS NO OTHER, THAT IS THAT EXACT PRODUCT. THEREFORE, WE COULD SOLE SOURCE THAT, THAT DOOR, UM, THE LABOR, SINCE THERE ARE MULTIPLE ENTITIES THAT PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES, WE CAN'T DO THAT. UM, AND THAT'S WHERE THE, THE CHALLENGE COMES IN. IF THERE WAS ONLY ONE LARGE DOOR SERVICER IN A, YOU KNOW, IN A REASONABLE AREA, UH, THAT COULD HAVE BEEN A SOLE SOURCE, BUT IT'S NOT. SO THAT'S WHERE WE KIND OF, THOSE ARE THE TWO CAVEATS THAT, THAT WE CAN USE. UM, BUT WE HAVE TO USE THEM RESPONSIBLY AND OBVIOUSLY, AND, AND, UM, WITH, UM, UH, WITH ONLY IF IT MEETS THOSE CATEGORIES. SO I JUST HAVE ONE, UH, ONE QUESTION FOR YOU, DAN. SO WITH REGARDS TO THE DEFINITION OF AN EMERGENCY, I GET THAT CHANGES DEPENDING ON WHAT IT IS, BUT TAKE LIKE THE, UH, THE FUEL FARM FOR EXAMPLE, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING, CONSIDERING THAT THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A SAFETY ISSUE, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY DOESN'T READ NOTAM COMING IN, THEY NEED FUEL. I MEAN, THAT'S, IT WOULD SEEM TO BE SOMETHING THAT, UH, THERE SHOULD BE AN EXEMPTION TO ALLOW, YOU KNOW, A METHOD TO TAKE PLACE TO GET THAT BACK POINT. WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE AN EMERGENCY SITUATION THAT COULD APPLY IN THAT SITUATION? I THINK SO. I, IT WOULD BE A HARDER, UM, MAYBE A HARDER ARGUMENT TO MAKE THAT THE ECONOMIC IMPACTS FOR AN EMERGENCY, BUT BECAUSE SOME EMERGENCY SERVICES WOULD REQUIRE AGAS, THAT COULD BE, THAT COULD BE ARGUED THAT THAT WOULD BE A, UM, AN EMERGENT SITUATION OR, OR AN URGENT SITUATION. UM, BUT YES, I THINK THAT COULD BE OKAY. SO DAN, YOUR LIMIT IS 33 3 46 AT THIS POINT. OKAY. THANKS THAT, THAT COMES UP REALLY FAST. OH, YEAH. UM, I WILL INQUIRE, UH, TO THE STATUS OF THIS. I KNOW IT IS, IT IS, LIKE I SAID, IT IS A GOAL. IT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS IN THE QUEUE. UM, AND MAYBE INQUIRE WHEN, WHEN THE CITY ATTORNEY MIGHT THINK THAT COULD HAPPEN AND WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHERE THAT KIND OF RANKS RIGHT NOW. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY LIKE SHOEHORN IN WITH THE TITLE 16 WORK THAT'S ONGOING, IS IT? NO, I, I, I DO BELIEVE THE CITY CHARTER IS A MUCH MORE DIFFICULT PROCESS THAN THE ORDINANCE ITSELF. SO, UH, YEAH. OKAY. BUT I, I CAN, I'LL ASK AND SEE WHAT, AND, AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT COULD BE, COULD HELP WITH, YEAH, IF, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'D BE POSSIBLE TO BUILD AN EXEMPTION TO THIS OR A PETITION FOR RELIEF MECHANISM INTO THE TITLE 16, GIVEN THE UNIQUE NATURE OF THE AIRPORT. UM, I MEAN, IT WOULD REQUIRE AN ITERATIVE LOOP ON US APPROVING SOMETHING TO BE IN THAT DOCUMENT. BUT IF, IF THAT WOULD BE A PATH FORWARD, IT MIGHT BE WORTH DOING THAT. POSSIBLY. I THINK THE, PROBABLY ONE OF THE, I WOULD SAY EASIEST, BUT THE MOST OTHER, THE, THE BEST OTHER OPTION IS TO HAVE, UH, STANDING CONTRACTS THAT, FOR THIS WORK. [00:10:01] NOW, THOSE ARE DIFFICULT TO SET UP BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BE VERY SPECIFIC OF WHAT TASKS ARE GOING TO BE IN THAT. UM, AND THEN WHEN WE GET INTO PRE PREVAILING WAGE, UH, CONTRACTS, THOSE DUE DATES GET A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED. BUT THAT IS THE OTHER AVENUE. IF WE CAN GET SOMEONE UNDER CONTRACT, THEN THAT REALLY RELIEVES THE UPPER LIMITS. SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE OTHER GOAL THAT WE'RE WORKING ON. YEAH, THAT'S A PRETTY COMMON WAY OF WORKING WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TOO. OKAY. NO, THAT MAKES SENSE. UM, ANY OTHER COMMENT ON THIS? NOPE. WELL, THANK YOU FOR LOOKING INTO THAT. OF COURSE. UM, ANY, UH, [COMMITTEE COMMENT] COMMITTEE COMMENT? COUNCIL UPDATES? I, I DID WANNA, UM, HIGHLIGHT, OH, I'M SORRY, ALEX, I, THAT'S YOUR, THAT'S YOUR SHOW. UM, THAT'S OKAY. I WAS JUST REACHING FOR THE MIC . I HAD A COMMITTEE COMMENT, BUT YOU PLEASE GO AHEAD, PLEASE, SIR. , I ONLY HAVE ONE QUICK COMMENT. I JUST WANTED TO GIVE DAN SOME PROPS FOR GETTING THE FUEL SORTED OUT. UM, YOU KNOW, HE JUMPED ON IT RIGHT AFTER WE DISCUSSED IT LAST TIME, AND EVERYBODY HAS FUEL, EVERYBODY'S HAPPY. SO THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. AD HOC SUBCOMMITTEE REPORTS. UM, I, I'LL JUST LIKE TO ACTUALLY HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR DAN ON THE, UM, SOME OF THE HANGAR ALLOCATION AD HOC SUBCOMMITTEE OR, UH, YEAH, THE AD HO AD HOC SUBCOMMITTEE. SO, UM, OBVIOUSLY WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK GETTING OUT SOME OF THE HANGERS WITH NO AVIATION ACTIVITY, WHICH HAS BEEN GREAT. UM, I WAS JUST TALKING TO, YOU KNOW, TOM, BEFORE THE MEETING AND NANCY, ABOUT, UM, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE THE BOND PAYMENTS FOR THE, UM, THE NEWER HANGERS THAT ARE GONNA BE COMING UP IN, IS THAT NEXT YEAR THE, THE FINAL BOND PAYMENTS FOR THE OH, YEAH. IT'LL BE THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR. YEAH, RIGHT. SO, YOU KNOW, AS WE, AS WE LOOK FORWARD TO, YOU KNOW, GETTING THAT PAID OFF AND POTENTIALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTING NEW HANGERS OUT THERE, OBVIOUSLY IT'S A PROCESS. IT TAKES TIME. UH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS FOR A WHILE. IT'S JUST FIGURING OUT WHERE WE ARE WITH THE, THE WAITING LIST AND JUST ENSURING THAT THE WAITING LIST THAT WE HAVE IS A TRUE REFLECTION OF OUR CURRENT SUPPLY AND DEMAND OF, OF EVERYTHING AS WE LOOK INTO WORKING WITH MEAD AND HUNT TO DISCUSS, YOU KNOW, THE VIABILITY OF, UM, ADDITIONAL HANGERS. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TOUCHED ON THIS IN THE PAST, BUT I THINK IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY TIME TO, UM, FOCUS ON THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE NOW THAT WE'VE KIND OF GOTTEN OUT. THE NON AERONAUTICAL USERS IS LOOKING AT SOME OF THE HANGERS THAT DO POTENTIALLY HAVE AIRPLANES IN THEM. UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, GOING OFF OF CURRENT FA ORDERS, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S VERY SPECIFIC THAT IT'S DESIGNED TO BE USED FOR ACTIVE, UM, AVIATION STORAGE. SO SOMEBODY THAT IS CLAIMING TO BUILD AN AIRPLANE THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, AN EON ON A SHELF SOMEWHERE, DOESN'T COUNT. UM, CERTAINLY CURRENT GUIDANCE DOES ALLOW FOR THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION OF EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA COME UP WITH, HAVE TO PUT SOMETHING IN THE HANGAR ALLOCATION POLICY NECESSARILY COMING UP WITH A TIMELINE, UH, LIKE SOME OF THE AIRPORTS DO, BUT CERTAINLY AN AIRPLANE THAT HASN'T BEEN AIR WORTHY IN 20 YEARS WOULD CERTAINLY QUALIFY. SO, YOU KNOW, I GUESS WE, WE WANT TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT ISN'T COMPLETELY ARBITRARY. WE WANT TO BE, WE WANT TO BE REASONABLE. WE UNDERSTAND THERE ARE TIMES WHEN, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU'RE WAITING ON PARTS ENGINE REBUILDS CAN TAKE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW A NEW, UH, REBUILD ENGINE NOW IS A TWO YEAR WAIT. SO THERE ARE TIMES THAT, YOU KNOW, AN AIRPLANE MIGHT SIT FOR A COUPLE YEARS, AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT HERE. I'M TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT LITERALLY HAVE NOT BEEN AIR WORTHY IN 10, 20 YEARS. UM, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO, UM, MOVING FORWARD IS, I GUESS WE COULD START BY, I WOULD LIKE TO DO AN AUDIT OF THE END NUMBERS THAT ARE REGISTERED TO EACH HANGAR AND RUN 'EM AGAINST THE FAA DATABASE AND C IF THEY'RE A CURRENTLY REGISTERED, AND B, MAKING SURE THE INSURANCE IS INTACT. AND THEN, UM, MAYBE COMING UP WITH A LIST OF A COUPLE HANGERS. YOU KNOW, I CAN THINK OF A FEW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY MAY HAVE AIRPLANES IN THERE, BUT AGAIN, IF, IF THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ACTIVE IN QUITE SOME TIME, AND WE DO HAVE A WAITING LIST OF AIRCRAFT AND PEOPLE THAT ARE WILLING TO EITHER MOVE INTO A HANGAR THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON THE RAMP, OR EVEN BETTER, SOMEONE THAT ISN'T CURRENTLY A TENANT AT THE AIRPORT AND THEY'D LIKE TO COME TO PETALUMA, UH, WE'D CERTAINLY LIKE TO HAVE THEM. UM, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY OTHER BENEFITS, YOU KNOW, THE TAXES, THE, UM, THE BENEFITS TO THE ON-AIRPORT BUSINESSES AND SO FORTH. SO, UM, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT THAN DEALING WITH NO AIRPLANE. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE THERE'S A FEW THAT YOU CAN THINK OF OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, MAY NOT BE COMPLIANT. SO I GUESS I'D LIKE TO JUST HEAR SOME OF THE, UH, SOME THOUGHTS OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS ABOUT WHERE TO, WHERE TO START. I MEAN, CERTAINLY I THINK STARTING AT 10, [00:15:01] FIVE TO 10 YEARS IS REASONABLE, RIGHT? I MEAN, IF, IF SOMEONE CAN'T DEMONSTRATE THEY'VE HAD AN ANNUAL INSPECTION AND, UM, FIVE OR 10 YEARS, UM, I KNOW FOR SURE THERE'S PROB I COULD PROBABLY FREE UP MAYBE THREE TO FOUR HANGERS AT LEAST. SO, UM, IF THERE'S PEOPLE ON THE WAITING LIST THAT, THAT COULD HELP, THEN I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD LOOK AT DOING. YEAH, I'D BE HAPPY TO, UM, UM, ADDRESS THAT, AT LEAST TO A DEGREE WHERE WE ARE NOW. UM, I WAS ABLE TO MEET WITH DAN AND THANKS FOR YOUR TIME ON THAT, UM, EARLIER IN THE WEEK, AND WE WENT OVER TWO THINGS. ONE WAS THE BUDGET, UH, FOR THIS COMING FISCAL YEAR AND GOING OUT LIKE FIVE YEARS. AND, UM, WHAT IS THE IMPACT OF PAYING OFF OUR LOAN, WHICH IS A LITTLE OVER HALF A MILLION A YEAR FOR THE EXISTING AIRPORT, UH, WHICH INCLUDES THE LAST HANGAR PROJECT PLUS ALL THE OTHERS THAT WERE REFINANCED TOGETHER. UM, THAT HALF MILLION IS VALUE ADDED. UM, BUT WE ALSO HAVE A FAIR NUMBER OF PROJECTS GOING FORWARD TO REHAB, TAXIWAYS RAMP AREA AND ALL OF THAT. AND WHILE THE FAA DOES COVER A FAIR PORTION OF THAT, UM, AND NOT INSIGNIFICANT AMOUNT FALLS ON THE AIRPORT TO BE, UM, A CONTRIBUTOR TO THAT FINANCIAL, UM, IMPACT. UM, AND SINCE, UM, WE HAVE, UM, COMMITTED TO THE CITY THAT THE AIRPORT WILL BE SELF-SUPPORTING, WE CAN'T LOOK TO CITY, UH, FINANCIAL RESOURCES TO COVER OUR PORTION. SO THAT HALF MILLION PLUS THAT WE'LL HAVE AVAILABLE WILL GO TO SUPPORT SOME OF THOSE UPCOMING PROJECTS, UM, IN THE FUTURE. AND WHEN IT COMES TO, UM, AND, AND FIVE YEARS OUT, THE FINANCIAL PICTURE FOR THE AIRPORT LOOKS GOOD. WE'RE SELF-SUPPORTING. WE BUILD A SMALL RESERVE. UM, SO IT'S, THERE'S NO NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE CITY BUDGET. SO WE'RE ALL GOOD IN THAT RESPECT. UM, WHEN IT COMES TO LOOKING AT THE HANGER PROJECTS GOING FORWARD, UH, DAN AND I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE INFORMATION WITH, UH, MEET HUNT FOLKS, UM, THE OTHER DAY ON SOME BASIC OPTIONS, OPPORTUNITIES, LAYOUT, UM, OPTIONS. AND THEY CAME UP WITH FIVE AND DIFFERENT LAYOUTS, AND ALL OF THEM HAVE DIFFERENT, UH, IMPLICATIONS IN TERMS OF, UH, HOW MANY OF 60 FOOT HANGERS, HOW MANY 41 FOOT HANGERS, AND HOW DO THEY COMBINE HOW MUCH ADDITIONAL PAVING IS REQUIRED. AND THAT OBVIOUSLY HAS AN IMPACT ON MAINTENANCE GOING FORWARD. UM, I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION WITH ME NOW. UH, THEY'RE GONNA FORWARD THAT TO DAN, SO WE CAN PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA FOR, UM, NEXT UPCOMING MEETINGS, UH, TO LOOK AT. BUT THERE'S A LOT OF ANALYSIS THAT NEEDS TO BE INVOLVED BECAUSE, UM, IN THE PAST, FROM DAY ONE, UM, BACK IN, UH, THE EARLY EIGHTIES WHEN THE AIRPORT WAS CONCEIVED, WE HAD A FAIRLY HIGH DEMAND FOR HANGERS. UM, AND 20 YEARS AGO, WE HAD 150 PEOPLE ON THE WAITING LIST. WE BUILT 55 HANGERS, FILLED THEM ALL, STILL HAD PEOPLE ON THE WAITING LIST. THESE DAYS, WE DON'T HAVE NEAR THAT MANY PEOPLE ON THE WAITING LIST. SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE ASKED THE MEAT HUNT FOLKS, SINCE THEY GAVE US A LIST OF PROJECTS THEY'VE DONE ON AIRPORTS IN CALIFORNIA, PROBABLY FIVE OR SIX AIRPORTS IN THE LAST NUMBER OF YEARS. UM, IF THEY COULD AT SOME POINT IN THE NOT TOO DISTANT FUTURES, GIVE US A SENSE OF HOW DID YOU DEVELOP THE PROJECT THAT YOU PROPOSED TO YOUR AIRPORT CLIENT, AND HOW DID YOU ASSESS THE DEMAND? BECAUSE THE LAST THING YOU WANT TO DO IS BUILD A BUNCH OF REALLY PRETTY HANGERS AND HAVE NOTHING BUT OPEN AIRSPACE INSIDE THE HANGAR. SO, UM, THAT DOESN'T HELP FINANCES. SO, UM, THAT'S A KEY ELEMENT OF HOW WE PLAN THE PROJECTS GOING FORWARD. AND AT THIS POINT, UM, LOTS OF OPTIONS, I'M SURE, AND OPPORTUNITIES, AND I'M SURE YOU'VE READ A OPA ARTICLES ABOUT THE LACK OF HANGAR AVAILABILITY IN THE COUNTRY. UM, THAT MIGHT BE FINE IN LOUISIANA, BUT WHAT ABOUT OUT HERE? AND SO THAT'S A, A FAIRLY INTENSE, UH, EFFORT TO LOOK AT. AND DO YOU ADVERTISE, DO YOU ANNOUNCE TO AIRCRAFT OWNERS IN THE SONOMA MARIN COUNTY AREA? WE'RE GONNA DO A PROJECT, YOU KNOW, DON'T KNOW. ANYWAY, THOSE ARE ALL QUESTIONS WE NEED TO, UH, TO GO THROUGH AND ANALYZE. AND, UM, I SPOKE WITH NANCY THE OTHER DAY, AND, UM, UH, SINCE I BELIEVE I AM TERM LIMITED AT THE END [00:20:01] OF JUNE ON MY NOW EIGHT YEAR STINT ON THE COMMISSION, UM, AND GIVEN THE, UM, YEARS I'VE PUT INTO THIS, I, I PROBABLY WILL PULL A BERRY LAWRENCE AND, AND, UH, NOT TOTALLY EVAPORATE, BUT AT LEAST I'LL, UH, FADE OFF TO A BIT. BUT I DO WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN, UH, HANGAR PROJECTS GOING FORWARD, BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I DID PROFESSIONALLY. AND, UM, THAT'S A KEY TO MAKING SURE THAT THE AIRPORT MEETS OUR COMMITMENTS OF STAYING ECONOMICALLY VIABLE TO THE CITY. SO THEY DON'T, THE CITY BUDGET DOESN'T HAVE TO PUT MONEY INTO THE ENTERPRISE FUND, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE AN ATTRACTIVE RESOURCE FOR PEOPLE, NOT ONLY IN PETALUMA AND THE SONOMA COUNTY AREA, BUT OUTSIDERS COMING IN. AND THAT ECONOMIC IMPACT IS QUITE SIGNIFICANT TO THE COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF BUSINESS THAT IS GENERATED AS A RESULT OF THE AIRPORT BEING HERE. BEYOND THE INITIAL AMOUNT WE MAY GET FROM SELLING FUEL OR RENTING HANGERS OR ALL THAT JOBS, WE PROVIDE THE TAX BASE. IT'S THIS LAST TIME I CHECKED IT, AND THAT WAS, UH, BACK, UH, WHEN COVID WAS STILL JUST BARELY GETTING DONE. WE HAD A $45 MILLION BUSINESS IMPACT ON THE PETALUMA COMMUNITY, UH, BECAUSE OF THE AIRPORT IN TERMS OF REVENUE GENERATED, TOTAL ECONOMIC IMPACT, JOBS, TAXES, ALL THAT STUFF, BUT NOT INSIGNIFICANT. SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN MAINTAIN THAT. AND, UM, UH, NANCY EXPRESSED SOME INTEREST IN BEING INVOLVED AS SORT OF A HANGAR PROJECT AD HOC COMMITTEE PERHAPS GOING FORWARD. AND, UM, IF, IF ANY OF YOU WOULD, UH, LIKE TO GET INTO THAT IN LIKE MAJOR DEPTH, UM, IF YOU GO TO APA.ORG, AND I CHECKED ONLINE ON THE A OPA.ORG WEBSITE, AND I COULDN'T FIND IT, BUT I SEARCHED INTERNET APA.ORG AIRCRAFT HANGAR DEVELOPMENT GUIDE, AND IT CAME UP, UM, THEY'VE UPDATED IT A BIT IN TERMS OF PHOTOGRAPHS AND TEXTS, BUT THAT WAS WHAT I WROTE BACK IN 2005 FOR A OPA ON HOW TO DO A HANGAR PROJECT AND MAKE SURE IT'S FINANCIALLY SOUND AND VIABLE AND THAT YOU DON'T MESS UP . SO DEVELOP BUSINESS PLANS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO THAT'S ALL IN THERE. SO, UM, ANYWAY, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE GOING FORWARD THAT WE DON'T DO WHAT SOME AIRPORTS HAVE DONE, WHICH IS TAKE THAT GUIDE, RUN A PROJECT, AND BE SO PROUD OF HOW MUCH THEY DID, AND THEN WE'RE SURPRISED THAT THEY HAD SO MANY VACANCIES, SO THAT DOESN'T GO OVER WELL. SO WHATEVER WE DO, WE'VE GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE IN KEEPING WITH THE HISTORY OF THE AIRPORT AND BEING, UH, MANAGED IN A SOUND AND VIABLE AND ECONOMICALLY, UM, APPROPRIATE MANNER, AND THAT WE AS COMMISSIONERS SUPPORT THAT ROLE IN MAKING SURE THAT THE AIRPORT IS A VIABLE AND VALUABLE, UM, RESOURCE FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY GOING FORWARD. SO ANYWAY, ENOUGH OF THAT, UH, YEAH, NO, THANKS FOR THAT. I DEFINITELY, YEAH, I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAID. UM, YOU KNOW, IF IT TURNS OUT THAT IF WE'RE, IF OUR, WHEN OUR BOND PAYMENTS ARE UP IN A YEAR, WE HAVE SOME DEFERRED PROJECTS THAT WE WANT TO USE THOSE FUNDS FOR, THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD DO. AND SOME OF THOSE FUNDS WOULD GO TOWARDS LIKE REPAIRING HANGAR ROOFS ON THE OLDER HANGERS, DEFERRED MAINTENANCE. AND I KNOW THAT A LOT OF THE OTHER HANGER COMING UP, AND THAT'S NOT INEXPENSIVE. THE FAA DOESN'T COVER ANY OF THAT BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE, UM, A AGREEMENT. UM, AND THAT'S FINE, BUT WE JUST CAN'T SAY, OH, WHAT DO WE DO NOW? NO, WE'VE GOT STUFF WE'VE GOTTA TAKE CARE OF. AND DAN'S ON TOP OF THAT, RIGHT. WHICH, WELL, WHAT IT ALSO MEANS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S GONNA BE FIVE YEARS BEFORE WE EVEN REALLY START LOOKING, I MEAN, IT'S A SHOVEL PROBABLY WOULDN'T HIT IF WE STARTED RIGHT NOW, I'D SAY 10 YEARS MINIMUM. THE, WITH THE WAY THINGS GO, RIGHT? WELL, THE LAST PROJECT ONLY TOOK SEVEN OR EIGHT, SO, RIGHT. I'M SAYING WE'RE PROBABLY PROBABLY CLOSER TO 10 TO 15. RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE STARTED RIGHT NOW. SO, YOU KNOW, THE REALITY IS IT COULD BE IS THAT WE'RE STUCK WITH WHAT WE HAVE FOR THE NEXT 10 OR 15 YEARS, WHICH MEANS WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALLOCATE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, AS PROPERLY AS WE CAN. SO I GUESS, RIGHT, I GUESS THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE IN ORDER TO TAKE SOME ACTION TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP UP ON THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE ARE GONNA SEND, YOU KNOW, HAVE DAN SEND LETTERS OUT TO POTENTIAL AIRCRAFT OWNERS. 'CAUSE NOW WE'RE TALKING AIRCRAFT OWNERS, NOT NECESSARILY THE STORAGE TENANTS, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM. HOW DO WE WANT TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE EXACTLY. AND THAT ALL HAS TO YEAH. AND YOU'RE RIGHT, JEFF, THAT ALL HAS TO BE BOILED INTO THE PLANNING, AND THAT'S, [00:25:01] AGAIN, DOWN THE ROAD A BIT, BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE, UM, UH, VARIABLES THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AND LOCKED IN PRETTY FIRMLY. IT JUST CAN'T BE OH, YEAH, I'D LOVE, NO, YOU'VE GOTTA REALLY COMMIT. RIGHT? WELL, I MEAN, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING. I'M TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, STARTING THIS PROCESS NOW, WAS SENDING OUT LETTERS TO ABSOLUTELY CURRENT TENANTS. SO JUST TRYING TO GAUGE WHERE EVERYONE'S AT. I MEAN, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT AIRCRAFT THAT WE, IF WE IDENTIFY ONE THAT HASN'T BEEN AIRWORTHY IN FIVE YEARS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, IS, WOULD BE A REASONABLE CUTOFF TO SAY, RIGHT. YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE X NUMBER OF TIMES? WELL, AND THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS DAN AND I DISCUSSED BRIEFLY, UH, THE OTHER DAY IS, UH, UM, TAKING SOME OF THOSE, UM, AIRCRAFT THAT ARE OTHERWISE, I HATE TO SAY IT DERELICT, UM, BUT REALITY BEING WHAT IT IS, IF THEY SIT IN A HANGAR, THAT'S FINE, BUT IF THEY'RE NOT BUYING FUEL AND SUPPORTING THE AIRPORT BUSINESSES ON SITE, UM, FOR THE AIRPORT, THAT'S A LOSS OVERALL. AND SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT HOW DO WE MAXIMIZE THE BENEFIT TO THE OPERATION AND THE ENTERPRISE, UM, AND EVERYONE INVOLVED AT THE AIRPORT O OTHERWISE WE ALL SUFFER AND THEN FUND WONDER WHAT THE HECK HAPPENED. SO WE DON'T WANT THAT. SO DAN'S WORKING HARD ON THAT, AND WE'VE MOVED OUT SOME FOLKS THAT, UM, UH, WERE NOT VIABLE AIRCRAFT AND WE'VE GOT PEOPLE ON THE WAITING LIST, BOOM, THEY CAN MOVE IN. SO THAT'S GREAT. SO I HAVE, I HAVE A QUESTION, AND MAYBE FOR DAN, UM, I'M TRYING TO RECALL ON THE LEASE, I MEAN, DO THE TENANTS KNOW, I MEAN, I KNOW WE HAVE PEOPLE GAMING THE SYSTEM, BUT DO THEY KNOW THAT THIS IS NOT, YOU KNOW, ALLOWABLE OR ACCEPTABLE OR ETHICAL BEHAVIOR THAT, YOU KNOW, IT, WOULD IT HELP TO, YOU KNOW, SEND A LETTER TO THE 10 ALL TENANTS? SO IT'S NOT, THAT JUST SAYS, YOU KNOW, PLEASE UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THE FAA REQUIRES THAT, YOU KNOW, SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, IT JUST NOT, IT DOESN'T HELP THE AIRPORT IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF US BY STORING, YOU KNOW, USING YOUR HANGAR AS LOW COST STORAGE, UM, WITHOUT AN AIR, AN AIRCRAFT THAT'S ACTUALLY USING THE SERVICES OUT OF THE AIRPORT, BUYING FUEL, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THEY'RE AWARE. JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS IS, UM, NO AVIATION ACTIVITY OR JUST A DERELICT AIRCRAFT? I'M REFER, I'M REFERRING TO DERELICT AIRCRAFT. YES. AND I, AND JUST TO, TO, UM, COMMISSIONER'S NA ASSESSOR'S POINT, BUT JUST AS SOMEBODY JUST NOT USING IT FOR ANY AVIATION PURPOSES. 'CAUSE THOSE HAVE BEEN, UH, PRETTY MUCH ADDRESSED AT THIS POINT. OKAY. OKAY. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, BECAUSE I SEE, YOU KNOW, I SEE SOMEWHERE IT LOOKS LIKE MAYBE THEY'VE BOUGHT A SALVAGED JUNKER AND IT'S BEEN THERE FOR 10 YEARS AND THEY HAVE NO INTENTION, BUT MEANWHILE THEY'RE GETTING STORAGE 'CAUSE THE HANGER IS FULL OF STUFF, RIGHT. UM, YOU KNOW, FOR, YOU KNOW, ONE 10TH WHAT IT WOULD COST. SURE. COMMERCIALLY. YEAH. SO ADDRESS ALL THOSE. I I THINK THOSE KIND OF ARE ALL RELATED. UM, ONE AREA THAT WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T AGGRESSIVELY PURSUED IS DERELICT AIRCRAFT. UM, PART OF THE REASON IS THERE WAS SO MANY OTHER, UH, YOU KNOW, LOW HANGING FRUIT THAT WE WERE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF A LOT EASIER BECAUSE MM-HMM . THE HANGAR LEASES AND LICENSES, UM, STATE PRETTY CLEARLY YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN FA REGISTERED AIRCRAFT WITH INSURANCE. UM, THOSE TWO THINGS TEND TO KNOCK OUT A LOT OF THOSE TYPE OF AIRCRAFT. HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME DE YOU MIGHT CONSIDER DERELICT AIRCRAFT THAT ARE ACTUALLY STILL REGISTERED WITH THE FA AND THAT TENDS TO BE THE MAJORITY OF THEM. OH, THEY MAINTAIN THE REGISTRATION. THANK YOU. SO ON THAT TOPIC THOUGH, WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING AMONG STAFF FOR SEVERAL MONTHS THAT THE, THE CURRENT PLAN IS THIS JUNE LETTERS ARE GONNA GO OUT TO A SELECT NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER DERELICT AIRCRAFT. UM, HAVEN'T FLOWN IN WELL OVER FIVE YEARS. IT'S ABOUT, IN THIS CASE IT'S PROBABLY 10. UM, I CAN'T FIND A DERELICT AIRCRAFT DEFINITION THAT I COULD YET, THAT I COULD USE, BUT I THINK I COULD MAKE THE CASE WITHOUT TOO MUCH TROUBLE THAT IF AN AIRCRAFT HASN'T FLOWN IN 15 YEARS AND, AND IN LOT OF CASES AND THERE'S NO, YOU KNOW, SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS WE'RE GONNA SEND THOSE LETTERS OUT. WE ARE THEN GOING TO GIVE EVERYONE, UM, ABOUT THREE MONTHS, UM, UNTIL KIND OF MID-FALL TO SHOW PROOF OF SOME SORT OF PROGRESSION TOWARDS REPAIRING, SELLING, WHATEVER IT IS THAT AIRCRAFT. UM, AND IF THEY DON'T DO SO, THEN WE WOULD, WE WOULD TERMINATE THOSE, UM, THOSE AGREEMENTS. ALONG WITH THAT, THERE ARE A HANDFUL OF FOLKS THAT HAVE, THEY'RE BUILDING AIRCRAFT, BUT THEY'VE BEEN BUILDING AIRCRAFT FOR FOUR YEARS. SO THEN WE'RE ALSO NOW PUTTING IN BENCHMARKS AND SAY, OKAY, WHERE ARE YOU AT RIGHT NOW? WHAT'S THE NEXT, WHAT'S YOUR NEXT STEP? WHAT ARE YOU GONNA BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH IN THE NEXT THREE TO SIX MONTHS? SO TO TRY TO WRAP THAT UP, [00:30:01] END OF CALENDAR YEAR 2025, WE WOULD THEN PROBABLY TERMINATE AND GIVE EVERYBODY 30 DAYS BY THE END OF THE YEAR, THOSE, THOSE FOLKS THAT WEREN'T ABLE TO COMPLY WOULD BE OUT. UM, WE'VE REALLY BEEN HOLDING OFF ON THAT, TRYING TO GIVE PEOPLE THE, YOU KNOW, THE BENEFIT, THE DOUBT, THE OPPORTUNITY. UM, AND WE DON'T EVER WANT TO HAVE AN AIRCRAFT NO LONGER BE AN AIRCRAFT. WE WON'T WANT AIRCRAFT TO BE TAKEN OFF THE FIELD, NEVER FLY AGAIN. BUT, UM, THESE FOLKS HAVE NOT MADE ANY PROGRESS TOWARDS IT. UM, ALONG THE WAY WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN TRYING TO GET THEM TO SELL THEIR AIRCRAFT. WE, WE KIND OF KEEP OUR EAR TO THE GROUND. THERE'S CERTAIN COLLECTORS AND, AND FOLKS THAT LOOK FOR PARTICULAR MODELS. WE'VE TRIED TO CONNECTING THEM, UM, TO NOT, UH, ANY PRETTY, PRETTY MUCH NOT TO ANY, UM, UH, SUCCESS UNFORTUNATELY. UM, WHICH GOES MORE TO, I THINK, THE MINDSET OF THE FOLKS THAT ARE JUST HOLDING ON THESE AIRCRAFT, DON'T, DO NOT REALLY PLAN ON FIXING THEM. SO, SO YEAH, WE'VE GOT ONE ON THE RAMP. WE'VE GOT THREE THAT I CAN THINK OF RIGHT NOW IN THE HANGERS. WE'VE GOT TWO OR THREE OTHER AIRCRAFT PROJECTS THAT ARE ON THAT LIST. SO, UM, I, I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT UP. IT IS ON OUR PLAN, AND THOSE LETTERS WILL BE GOING OUT THIS SUMMER. YEAH, I JUST, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY AND THANKS. THAT ANSWERED MOST OF MY QUESTIONS. I JUST, THE REASON, AND THE REASON I BRING IT UP, I'M TRYING TO GIVE, I WANNA MAKE, I WANT TO REMOVE SOME AMBIGUITY TO MAKE YOUR JOB EASIER, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE IS NO DEFINITION OF A DERELICT AIRCRAFT, BUT WHAT IS DEFINED IS, IS AIRWORTHY. I MEAN, IT SAYS IN THE, IN THE FA, A GUIDANCE, IT SAYS THAT AIRCRAFT HANGERS ARE DESIGNED TO BE STOR, UH, USED AS STORAGE FOR AIRWORTHY AIRCRAFT, RIGHT? THAT MEANS THAT TECHNICALLY AN AIRCRAFT THAT IS A DAY OUT OF ANNUAL IS NO LONGER AIRWORTHY. IT'S NOT REALLY MY INTENTION. I DON'T THINK IT'S ANYONE ELSE'S INTENTION TO GO AFTER THIS. THERE ARE REASONABLE EXCEPTIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, THE ENVIRONMENT RIGHT NOW CAN TAKE TWO YEARS TO GET AN ENGINE. RIGHT? I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE. I'M TALKING ABOUT ONES WHERE THEY HAVEN'T FLOWN IN. YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO, I WANT, I'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU SOME GUIDANCE AND SAY, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEARS I THINK IS PROBABLY REASONABLE IF THEY HAVEN'T, ANYBODY'S WELCOME TO CHALLENGE YOUR DECISION TO THE AIRPORT COMMISSION IF THEY CAN SHOW THAT THEY'VE, IN THE CASE OF SOMEONE BUILDING AN AIRCRAFT, ANYBODY WHO'S BUILDING AN AIRCRAFT PRESUMABLY IS PURCHASING PARTS ALONG THE WAY, TOOLS, PARTS, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE RECEIPTS. IF IT'S A BONAFIDE BUILDER, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT. RIGHT? AND FOR THOSE THAT CAN'T, THERE'S SEEM SEEMINGLY ENOUGH OTHER AIRCRAFT OUT THERE THAT ARE ON THE WAITING LIST THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, WE'D ALL BENEFIT FROM HAVING THOSE IN THERE. SO, YOU KNOW, UNLESS ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, ANY OTHER OPINIONS ON, I MEAN, ME PERSONALLY, I'D SAY FIVE YEARS IS VERY GENEROUS. IF SOMEONE CAN'T DEMONSTRATE THAT AN AIRCRAFT HAS HAD AN ANNUAL INSPECTION IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, UM, YOU KNOW, I'D SAY THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A, A STARTING POINT TO AT LEAST SEND A LETTER AND START TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS. I THINK DAN, YOU'D SAID 15 IS WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU WERE I, IN THIS CASE? UH, I, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA PUT, UH, SINCE WE DON'T HAVE ANY POLICY, LIKE, UM, COMMISSIONER MENTIONED THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY POLICY DOCUMENTS THAT, UM, STATE A NUMBER. I'M NOT GONNA USE A NUMBER. I JUST, YOU KNOW, YOUR, THE LETTER JUST BASICALLY SAY YOUR AIRCRAFT HAS BEEN DETERMINED TO BE A DERELICT AIRCRAFT. OKAY? AND, AND WITHOUT ANY FURTHER PROGRESS TOWARDS, UH, AIRWORTHINESS, UM, WE'LL STILL REMAIN IN THAT CATEGORY AND THEREFORE IS NOT ELIGIBLE FOR A HANGAR. THAT, THAT WOULD BE KIND OF THE LANGUAGE, UM, TO COME MORE OF A WARNING LETTER. AND THEN IT WOULD GO BEYOND THAT THEN. BUT THEN YOU'LL, WILL YOU BE ASKING THEM THEN TO, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE SOME PROOF OF ANY PROGRESS THEY'VE MADE, YOU KNOW, SO THAT IF SOMEONE, YOU KNOW, DOES HAVE DAD'S AIRPLANE AND, YOU KNOW, HASN'T FIGURED OUT WHAT TO DO WITH IT YET, AND, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA GIVE THEM A NUDGE, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, HEY, LET US, YOU KNOW, IF WE NEED HAVE FINDING A WIRE OR WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE WILLING TO HELP YOU, YOU KNOW, AND WE'VE DONE THIS WITH EVERY, EVERY TENANT YEAH. THAT GOT THEMSELVES INTO A INSURANCE OR REGISTRATION SITUATION. UM, SAME THING, OR A NON AIRCRAFT SITUATION, SAME THING. GIVE THEM OPPORTUNITY. YEAH. WE ALWAYS DO. SO, YEAH. UM, YEAH. WELL, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE A, A DOCUMENT LIKE THAT. I THINK JUST MOVING FORWARD, UM, NOT SAYING THAT WE NEED THAT BY SUMMER, BUT, UM, BE HAPPY TO HELP IN ANY WAY TO SUPPORT THAT, THAT AD HOC IN TRYING TO GET TOWARDS. YEAH, I MEAN, I'M JUST THINKING, JUST AS A STARTING POINT TO SEND LETTERS OUT, IF WE IDENTIFY SOMEONE, I'M NOT SAYING, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANT EMPTY HANGERS, RIGHT? THIS IS KIND OF A, YEAH, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, IT'S KIND OF A SCALE STARTING WITH THE MOST EGREGIOUS, YOU KNOW, VIOLATORS FIRST, AND AS, AS WE FILL IT IN, AND IF THE WAITING LIST CONTINUES AND THEN WE JUST KIND OF WORK DOWN THE LIST. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY I, I MEAN, I PERSONALLY WOULDN'T HAVE AN ISSUE SENDING, YOU KNOW, IF WE SENT LETTERS OUT TO THOSE THAT WE SUSPECT HAVEN'T BEEN AIR WORTHY IN FIVE YEARS, IF NOTHING MORE THAN JUST A LETTER SAYING, HEY, THIS IS JUST A REMINDER THAT THE POLICY IS ACTUALLY FOR AIRWORTHY AIRCRAFT, WHICH IS WHAT IT CURRENTLY IS. SO AGAIN, ANYBODY WHO'S TECHNICALLY UNAIRWORTHY WOULD, COULD TECHNICALLY BE IN VIOLATION. I'M NOT SAYING YOU GO DOWN THAT ROAD, BUT, YOU KNOW, AFTER FIVE YEARS, THEN, [00:35:01] YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S WORTH HAVING, I THINK JUST AT LEAST REMINDING THEM OF THE CURRENT ALLOCATION POLICY, HOPEFULLY PUSH SOME INTO COMPLIANCE, OR MAYBE THEY VOLUNTARILY DECIDE TO, UH, MOVE FORWARD WITH A SALE OR, OR MAKING OTHER ARRANGEMENTS. IS THERE INTEREST IN MOVING UP THAT TIMETABLE, UM, TO GIVE MORE TIME TO THEN COMPLY, BUT BECAUSE I, I THINK OCTOBER WAS KIND OF THE DEADLINE OF COMPLIANCE, YOU KNOW, SO AS, AS LONG AS, AS LONG AS SOMEONE CAN DEMONSTRATE THAT THEY'RE MAKING PROGRESS, RIGHT? I MEAN, JUST, JUST VERBALLY SAYING, I'M BUILDING AN AIRCRAFT, I'M DOING THIS TO ME, ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH. NOW SOMEONE HAS CONTRACTED WITH A MAINTENANCE SHOP, UM, OR PURCHASED PARTS, AND IT CAN BE VERIFIED THAT PROGRESS IS BEING MADE, THEN, THEN CERTAINLY I'D BE AGREEABLE BEING FLEXIBLE ON THAT. I MEAN, I'M, THE GOAL HERE ISN'T TO GO AFTER THOSE THAT ARE LEGITIMATELY MM-HMM . TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, RESTORE THEIR AIRCRAFT. IT'S GOING AFTER THOSE THAT, I MEAN, IN SOME CASES, I KNOW THAT THE, THE COST OF BRINGING AIRCRAFT BACK TO AIRWORTHY STANDARDS IS MORE THAN THE AIRCRAFT IS WORTH. SO, YOU KNOW, IN A LOT OF THOSE CASES, YOU KNOW, IT'S PROBABLY NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. YEAH. UM, SO IN THOSE CASES, I THINK WE JUST, WE WANNA MOVE UP THE TIMELINE OF GOING AFTER THOSE THAT MOST LIKELY WE'LL PROBABLY NEVER FLY AGAIN. SO I THINK WE'VE GOT A PATH FORWARD HERE. UM, I THOUGHT I HEARD AN OFFER DOWN HERE TO CROSS REFERENCE EITHER FROM TOM OR FROM DAN OR FROM BOTH OF YOU TO CROSS REFERENCE REGISTERED TO THE NUMBERS AGAINST THE FAA DATABASE. MM-HMM . UM, JEFF, YOU WANTED TO WORK WITH DAN ON THE THRESHOLD, AT WHICH POINT SOMEBODY GETS A LETTER AND REVIEWS HE WANTS, IT'S HARDER TO IDENTIFY. I THINK IF WE COULD START WITH THE DATABASE, MAYBE BY NEXT MEETING, OR, UH, MAYBE IF YOU COULD REACH OUT, WE COULD JUST KIND OF DO AN AUDIT OF NOT ONLY THE, THE RE IF IT'S CURRENTLY REGISTERED, BUT ALSO TO MAKE SURE THAT THE REGISTRATION AND THE FA DATABASE MATCHES WHAT WE HAVE ON FILE FOR THE CURRENT TENANT. UM, 'CAUSE I KNOW WHEN I LOOK AT SOME, SOME NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, THERE WAS DEFINITELY A DISCONNECT IN SOME OF THE DATA THAT WAS THERE, AND I KNOW YOU INHERITED THAT, SO IT'S, YEAH, IT MIGHT, THERE MIGHT BE A FEW THAT NEED TO BE CLEANED UP. UM, BUT JUST I GUESS IDENTIFYING, I MEAN, I'M HAPPY TO PROVIDE A LIST OF ONES THAT WE MIGHT WANT TAKE A CLOSE LOOK AT AND JUST POTENTIALLY SEND A LETTER. JUST, UM, AND APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY HANGERS ARE WE LOOKING AT? UH, I, I KNOW OF PROBABLY, I KNOW IT'S, I'D SAY IT'S PROBABLY FIVE TO 10. FIVE TO 10, REALLY? MAYBE MORE. SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, UM, I CAN EASILY PROVIDE THAT A REPORT IN, IN MY REPORT, UM, NEXT MONTH. I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, IS THIS LIST OF ALL THE ONES THAT ARE NOT CURRENTLY REGISTERED, OR IS THIS JUST EVERYBODY? BECAUSE WE HAVE, SO THERE IS A BASE AIRCRAFT, FA, A, UM, DATABASE THAT WE HAVE TO UPDATE MM-HMM . UM, I DON'T KNOW IF I FEEL COMFORTABLE JUST PRINTING THAT OUT AND PUTTING OUT THERE FOR THE PUBLIC. MEANING THIS, UH, DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE PUBLIC. MY, MY CON MY CONCERN IS JUST MAKING SURE THAT THE DATA THAT WE HAVE AT THE AIRPORT YEAH. MATCHES WHAT THE FAA DATABASE HAS. GOTCHA. UM, SO OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A DATABASE OF AIRCRAFT THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ASSIGNED TO EACH HANGAR. UM, I JUST WANNA ENSURE THAT THE, THE AIRCRAFT THAT WE THINK IS IN A PARTICULAR HANGAR IS MATCHES THE SAME AS THE FAA AND NOT AN AIRCRAFT THAT WAS SOLD IN 2007 AND THERE'S NO LONGER IN THE AREA. UM, WOULD IT JUST A LIST OF ALL THE HANGAR NUMBERS AND THE STATUS, WOULD THAT BE SUFFICIENT? UM, A STATUS ACCORDING, I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, I JUST WANT A FA FA STATUS. UH, YEAH, I MEAN, THAT'S FINE. WE DON'T, WE DON'T NEED TO PUT TO PUT THE NAMES OUT, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DATA OF THE TWO DATABASES COMES TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS CORRECT, JUST KIND OF AUDITING WHAT WE HAVE VERSUS WHAT THE HAS. OKAY. WE'LL WORK ON THAT. APPRECIATE, I, I THINK THE THING THAT WOULD BE THE MOST HELPFUL TO HAVE, BE PUBLICLY FACING IS A STATEMENT OF WHAT THE PROCESS IS THAT WE'RE EMBARKING ON HERE. EXACTLY. RIGHT. SO, AND THAT COULD BE A, THAT COULD BE A MATTER OF CONSIDERATION FOR NEXT TIME, UM, OF JUST ENUMERATING, WE'RE DOING THIS DATABASE REVIEW SUBSEQUENT TO THIS DATABASE REVIEW. ANYONE WITH, YOU KNOW, AN AIRCRAFT THAT IS FIVE YEARS OUT OF AIR WORTHY, ACCORDING TO OUR DATABASE REVIEW IS GOING TO GET THIS LETTER, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THREE MONTHS TO SHOW THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON IT, RIGHT? MM-HMM . AND THEN AT THAT POINT, THEN THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN, RIGHT? SO LIKE, JUST WHAT IS THAT TIMING AND WHAT ARE THE STEPS THAT WE'RE TAKING? OKAY. I THINK THAT'S THE PUBLICLY FACING PIECE. I AGREE. WE DON'T NEED TO OUT, LIKE INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE THAT ARE TENANTS OF, LIKE, YOUR AIRCRAFT SUCKS, RIGHT? LIKE, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DO THAT. UM, YES. IT'LL BE VERY UP. IT'LL BE VERY UNIFORM. SO YEAH, I THINK, I THINK JUST, JUST, AND THEN THAT ALSO TO NANCY'S POINT, ACCOMPLISHES A LITTLE BIT OF THE LIKE RAISING AWARENESS THAT THIS IS HAPPENING AND JUST GETS THAT VISIBILITY OUT THERE AND GETS PEOPLE MAYBE MORE COGNIZANT OF THAT THIS IS A CONCERN AND, AND THIS IS THE PROCESS THAT THEY CAN EXPECT TO HAVE HAPPEN. OKAY. SO WE'LL PUT, WE'LL PUT A WIDE COMMUNICATION, PROBABLY THE NEWSLETTER'S THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT, THAT THIS IS KIND [00:40:01] OF HAPPENING, AND THEN THE LETTERS WILL COME AT A LATER TIME. YEAH. I THINK BECAUSE PEOPLE THAT THINK ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT, AND THEN ALSO PEOPLE SEE THAT IT'S COMING, THEN IT'S LIKE, OH, I NEED TO GO FIND MY RECEIPTS FOR THE STUFF THAT I BOUGHT FROM AIRCRAFT SPRUCE. RIGHT. EXACTLY. LIKE THEY CAN START GETTING PREPARED. OKAY. OKAY. ANY, ANY OTHER AD HOC, UH, TOPICS? OKAY. I JUST WANNA, UM, AS A COMMISSIONER COMMENT, UM, I JUST WANTED TO THANK DAN AND CLAUDIA FOR, UH, IMPOSING A LITTLE BIT MORE STRUCTURE ON THE AGENDA SETTING. UM, SO ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED A CALENDAR INVITATION, UH, FOR A RECURRING NOTIFICATION OF, OF A DEADLINE TO SUBMIT AGENDA ITEMS. UM, THAT'S THE, THE WEDNESDAY, THE FINAL, THE WEDNESDAY PRIOR, SO IT'S THE LAST WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH FOR THE FIRST THURSDAY OF THE MONTH'S MEETING, IS THAT I'VE GOT MY DAY DATE, THIRD, THIRD WEDNESDAY FOR A FOURTH, THIRD WEDNESDAY FROM THE FIRST, THIRD, THIRD, OKAY. TO, UH, THURSDAY SUBMISSION TO US. YEAH. SO I WOULD JUST WANNA MAKE A NOTE PUBLICLY OF THAT, THAT IF ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HAVE ITEMS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO BE CONSIDERED ON A SPECIFIC AGENDA, THEY ALSO ARE REQUESTED TO IDEALLY MEET THAT TARGET AS WELL, AND NOTIFY SOMEONE ON THE COMMISSION OF THEIR, OF THEIR AGENDA ITEM. UM, SO IF WE COULD MAKE A NOTE THAT, UH, WE'RE RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING ANY SUGGESTIONS FOR AGENDA ITEMS BY THE THIRD THURSDAY OF THE MONTH TO PREPARE FOR THE FOLLOWING MONTH'S MEETING, I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT. ALONG THAT WE'LL, WE'LL PROVIDE YOU A DRAFT, UM, IN EMAIL, UH, AGENDA, JUST A REALLY QUICK PASTE IN, HERE'S THE ITEMS THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT WE HEARD, JUST IN CASE THERE WAS AN ISSUE. AND THEN WE CAN ADDRESS THAT BY THE NEXT WEEK WHEN WE PUSH THAT OUT THURSDAY. PERFECT. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S GREAT. UM, YOU'RE TRYING TO FIND THE RIGHT LEVEL OF OVERHEAD HERE. I THINK WE'RE, WE'LL GET IT DIALED IN. UM, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. WELL, WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, AIRPORT MANAGER [STAFF COMMENT] REPORT. THANK YOU. WITH THE, UH, FINANCIALS, UH, LOOKING REALLY GOOD TO THE END OF, UH, UH, JANUARY, 2025, WE BROUGHT IN, UH, 1.28 MILLION. AND, UM, TO DATE, UH, WE'D SPENT TO 1.36 MILLION, INCLUDING THE, UH, THE SECOND TO LAST, UM, HANGAR, UH, LOAN PAYMENT. UH, SO WE'RE DOING REALLY WELL, UH, FOR THE YEAR. OBVIOUSLY, WE'VE GOT SOME BIG EXPENSES COMING UP, SOME HANGAR REPAIRS THAT WILL START COMING IN HERE BEFORE THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR. THEY'LL PROBABLY OFFSET THAT A LITTLE BIT. BUT, UM, OVERALL WE'RE DOING GREAT. UM, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT, UM, BUDGET? I DID AS, UM, UH, COMMISSIONER AGA, UH, MENTIONED, UH, WE WENT OVER THE OPERATIONAL BUDGET, UM, WHICH, UM, I CAN, I CAN ALSO INCLUDE THAT IN MY REPORT NEXT MONTH. UH, THAT WE, WE'VE RECENTLY PRETTY MUCH FINALIZED, WE'VE SUBMITTED TO FINANCE. UM, IT IS A 10% REDUCTION FROM, UH, ALL PREVIOUS BUDGETS THAT I'VE EVER WORKED ON THE LAST FIVE YEARS. UM, AT THE REQUEST OF, OF THE CITY, UM, FINANCE DEPARTMENT, WE ARE, WE'RE TRYING TO REALLY CUT BACK, UH, TO, AND WITH ANTICIPATED COSTS, UH, CITYWIDE THAT WILL BE REDUCED, UM, DUE TO, UM, REDUCED, UM, TAX TAXABLE INCOME, UH, TO THE, TO THE CITY, OUR TAXED INCOME TO THE CITY. UM, SO WITH THAT, WE, WE CUT 'EM PRETTY CLOSE. WE REALLY, WE REALLY SHAVED OFF WHAT WE COULD TO TRY TO GET INTO THAT NUMBER. UM, WE ARE AN ENTERPRISE FUND, BUT LIKE ALL OTHER FUNDS, WHETHER ENTERPRISE OR NOT, ACROSS THE CITY, WE, WE ARE UNDER THE SAME RULES. AND SO WE DID THAT. SO IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE TOUGH. UM, WE ARE GONNA BE TRYING TO RELY MORE ON INTERNAL SUPPORT SERVICES. IN THE PAST WE'VE USED MOWING CONTRACTORS, OTHER, OTHER ENTITIES. WE'RE GONNA TRY TO REDUCE THAT AS WE CAN, UM, TO USE INTERNAL STAFF WORKING ON OVERTIME A LOT OF TIMES, WHICH IS MUCH, MUCH CHEAPER IN SOME CASES. UM, 75% LESS THAN A CONTRACTOR COST. SO WE'RE GONNA DO OUR BEST TO TRY TO GET THAT, UM, TO WORK WITHIN THAT OPERATIONAL BUDGET. BUT, UM, THAT IS A CONSTRAINT THAT WE ARE WORKING AGAINST. SO WE WERE ABLE TO GET THE NUMBERS IN THERE. I HOPE THEY'RE AS ACCURATE, UM, AS, YOU KNOW, AS WE INTENDED THEM TO BE. AND, UM, SO JUST, JUST A HEADS UP ON THAT, WE ARE SLIGHTLY, UM, REDUCED AS FAR AS OUR OPERATIONAL CAPABILITIES, UM, WITH THAT. SO ANYWAY, WENT OVER THAT. UM, AND, UM, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT BUDGET? UH, I, I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION REGARDING, UM, UH, PAYROLL EXPENSES. SO I KNOW OBVIOUSLY, UH, YOUR SALARY SPLIT, UM, BETWEEN THE AIRPORT AND THE MARINA. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WHEN STAFF, AIRPORT STAFF ARE ALSO GOING OVER TO THE MARINA, THAT THERE'S AN INTERNAL METHOD TO CHARGE THE AIRPORT, THE MARINA ACCOUNT FOR TIME SPENT AT THE MARINA [00:45:01] AS WELL. ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S CODED. SO EVERY, EVERY TRIP OVER THERE, WHETHER IT'S HALF DAY, WHOLE DAY, WHATEVER, THE STAFF, UM, WE ONLY HAVE TWO STAFF THAT GENERALLY WILL GO BETWEEN THE TWO, UM, FROM AIRPORT. UM, BUT THEIR TIME IS COMPLETELY CODED AS WHETHER IT'S OVERTIME OR STRAIGHT TIME. IT'S GOOD CODE APPROPRIATELY. PERFECT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, SCENE NONE. I'M, UM, MOVING ON TO OPERATIONS. JUST KIND OF A, UM, AN UPDATE ON KIND OF SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WERE DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING. UM, SECURITY, UH, WAS REALLY THE, ONE OF THE BIG TOPICS. UH, WE HAVE A SECURITY INCIDENT AND IT REALLY BROUGHT TO, UM, THE FOREFRONT JUST SOME OF THE VULNERABILITIES THAT, UM, JUST EXIST, UH, BASED ON SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT VISIT THE AIRPORT. AND, UM, AND SOME OF THE, UM, THE, THE SYSTEMS SECURITY SYSTEMS, THE, THE, UM, THE PEOPLE THAT USE THE AIRPORT, YOU KNOW, OUR GATES, ALL THOSE THINGS, UH, ARE ALL PART OF THAT, AND THERE ARE SOME VULNERABILITIES. SO WE LOOKED AT THOSE. WE TALKED WITH, UM, UH, MANGON, UH, AIRCRAFT, THE PPTC, UM, STAFF ABOUT WHAT, WHAT THEY SAW AS SOME OF THE AREAS THAT NEEDED IMPROVEMENT OR THINGS THAT THEY WERE CONCERNED. UH, WITH, UM, THIS GENERATED MONTHLY MEETINGS. SO NOW WE HAVE A MONTHLY, UM, STANDING MEETING WITH THAT GROUP. WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO, TO MEET WITH ANY GROUP AT THE AIRPORT, UM, THAT WANTS TO DO SO. BUT THIS SEEMS LIKE A, A REALLY GOOD, UM, MAINTENANCE MEETING THAT WE CAN JUST KIND OF, UH, GET THE TOPICS OF THE, OF THE MONTH AND BE ABLE TO ADDRESS 'EM QUICKLY WITHOUT HAVING TO WAIT FOR A MEETING LIKE THIS. UM, AS ALWAYS, I'M ALWAYS AVAILABLE VIA PHONE CALL, BUT SOMETIMES IT'S JUST EASIER TO HAVE THOSE DAILY MEETINGS. SO WITH THAT, WE'VE INCREASED POLICE PATROLS. UM, IT WAS A REQUEST PUT TO THE, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT. UM, WE'VE SEEN NOT ONLY NIGHTTIME INCREASE, UH, PATROLS, BUT WE'VE ALSO SEEN DAYTIME AS WELL. SO SOME OF THE, UM, THE TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT, THE, UH, METER ENFORCEMENT, UM, FOLKS HAVE EVEN BEEN OUT IN THEIR THREE WHEELED GO FOURS AT THE AIRPORT DURING DAYTIME HOURS, WHICH WE'D LOVE TO SEE. UH, WE ALREADY HAVE A, UM, AN ACTIVE MOTORCYCLE TRAINING THAT HAPPENS THE AIRPORT IN ADDITION TO THAT. SO OVERALL, WE'RE, WE'RE SEEING A LOT MORE, UM, POLICE ACTIVITY, WHICH WE LOVE AND WE LOVE TO HAVE, UM, OFFICERS COME BY TO USE THEIR FACILITIES WHENEVER THEY WANNA. WE'VE INSTALLED ANOTHER SECURITY CAMERA AT A CRITICAL POINT, UH, GIVEN US, UH, GREAT, UH, AIRFIELD, UH, ENTRY AND EXIT SURVEILLANCE. SO THAT'S, UM, EARLY IMPROVED OUR OVERALL, UM, UH, SURVEILLANCE AT THE AIRPORT. AND THEN, UM, JUST AWARENESS. I THINK THAT'S THE OTHER THING THAT, JUST TALKING THROUGH SOME OF THE, THE THREATS, UH, WITH OUR, OUR, OUR STAFF AND WITH, UH, SOME OF OUR TENANTS STAFF AND, UM, I THINK IT'S BEEN A REALLY POSITIVE, UM, DEVELOPMENT AS FAR AS SECURITY MATTERS AND, AND, UM, KEEPING THE, UH, THE TENANTS AND THE VISITORS SAFE. UM, ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON SECURITY? I JUST HAVE ONE REQUEST. YEAH. THAT IN THE NEXT NEWSLETTER, COULD YOU PLEASE, UM, ASK THE, ASK ANYONE WHO IS DRIVING ONTO THE AIRPORT TO STOP AND ENSURE THE GATE IS CLOSED BEHIND THEM WITHOUT ANYONE. LET'S JUST SEND ANOTHER REMINDER OUT THERE. THANK YOU. YEP. WE'LL DO THAT REMINDER, AND I THINK WE'LL PROBABLY INCLUDE, PROBABLY GOOD INCLUDE IN THAT SECOND PAGE, WE COULD PUT THE, UM, UH, THE GATE PROCEDURES WITH THE PICTURES JUST TO REMIND PEOPLE. YEAH, THAT'S GREAT. USUALLY WHEN THEY SEE ME WALKING OUTTA THE BUILDING, THEY TEND TO WAIT FOR IT TO CLOSE. , UH, FUEL FARM, UH, WE, WE, UH, HAD, UH, A CONTRACTOR COME IN ON FEBRUARY 10TH, UH, TO MAKE, UH, SOME TEMPORARY, UM, REPAIRS THAT ALLOWED US TO GET, UM, A LOAD OF FUEL IN AND GET FUEL SERVICE RESTORED. WE'VE SINCE HAD ANOTHER DELIVERY WITHOUT ANY ISSUES. UM, AS OF THIS WEEK, WE RECEIVED THE PARTS. SO NOW WE HAVE TWO OVERFLOW VALVES, UM, THAT ARE BEEN CALIBRATED FOR OUR, UH, SYSTEM. UH, ONE WILL BE USED FOR REPAIR AS SOON AS OUR CONTRACTOR CAN LINE UP, UM, A NEXT SITE VISIT, AND THE OTHER ONE WILL REMAIN ON, ON OUR STORAGE READY TO GO IN CASE THERE'S AN ISSUE. HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, UH, THE, THE INTENT WOULD BE IF THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE HAPPENS AGAIN, WE WOULD ONLY BE A WEEK OR LESS, HOPEFULLY FROM A REPAIR. UM, DEPENDING ON, UH, CONTRACTOR AVAILABILITY, THERE IS EVEN A POSSIBILITY OF A LOCAL CONTRACTOR DOING THE WORK. IF THEY, IF THEY HAD THE, I DON'T WANNA SAY TRAINING OR THE, UH, ORIENTATION ON THIS PARTICULAR PRODUCT, THEY COULD PROBABLY DO IT AS WELL. WE JUST HAVE NOT HAD AS GOOD RESULTS OUTCOMES WITH SOME OF OUR LOCAL CONTRACTORS THAT [00:50:01] ARE FOCUSED ON THE, UH, AUTO FUELING SIDE. THEY DON'T REALLY DO BIG FARM MAINTENANCE GENERALLY. UM, BUT THERE COULD BE A POSSIBILITY OF AN ALTERNATIVE CONTRACTOR DOING A SMALL REPAIR, UM, LIKE THIS ONE, THIS IS NOT A MAT MAJOR REPAIR, BUT IT'S BEYOND THE REALM OF WHAT OUR STAFF CAN DO COMFORTABLY AND, AND WHAT, YOU KNOW, FOR LIABILITY REASONS. SO THERE'S OPTIONS. I THINK WE CAN, WE, WE, AS LONG AS WE HAVE THIS PART, I CAN'T IMAGINE THIS HAPPENING AGAIN TO THE EXTENT THAT IT DID. ANY QUESTIONS ON FUEL FARM? UH, THE REPAIR OR ANY OTHER ITEMS? DID YOU SAY YOU CONTACTED THE CONTRACTOR TO AND WE'RE WAITING FOR THEM TO LET SNOW? YEAH, WE, WE REQUESTED IT. AND IT'S NOT JUST THIS, SO THEY'RE GONNA COME OUT, THEY'RE GONNA REPLACE THE VALVE. THEY'RE ALSO GONNA DO OUR ANNUAL FUEL FUEL FILTER AND CARTRIDGE CHANGE, OUR WATER SEPARATORS, SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DO EVERY YEAR. IT'S A BIG, IT'S A BIG JOB. AND THEN, UM, THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER ITEMS. THEY'RE GONNA DO A REPLACEMENT AS WELL, INCLUDING, WE DID PURCHASE A AVIATION STYLE FUEL NOZZLE FOR THE ISLAND AS KIND OF A TEST. UM, OUR, OUR INITIAL CONCERNS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN, UH, ABUSE AND COST. UM, THERE WAS A TIME WHEN THE NOZZLES GOT REALLY BEAT UP. THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A A HUNDRED, $150 NOZZLE AND A, A $1,200 OR $1,300 NOZZLE. SO WE, UM, WE DIDN'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T WANT TO, TO MAKE THIS A BIG COST ISSUE. UM, IN ADDITION, WE, WE WERE CONCERNED WITH SOME, SOME PILOTS, UM, PUTTING THE NOZZLE IN BEYOND WHERE THEY SHOULD, AND THEY MIGHT DAMAGE THEIR WINGS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT USED TO IT. SOME, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE FROM PETALUMA, THEY PROBABLY ALWAYS USE THESE, UH, AUTO STYLE ONES. UM, SO THERE WAS CONCERN THAT THEY MIGHT DROP IT IN THE TANK OR, OR PUNCH MAYBE A HOLE IN THE BOMB TANK, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE WOULDN'T WANT THAT. THEY'RE NOT REALLY DESIGNED FOR THE AVERAGE USER. THEY'RE MORE DESIGNED FOR, FOR FUEL TECHS. UM, BUT THEY HAVE A REMOVABLE SCREEN THAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO BE CHECKED EVERY SINGLE MONTH, AND WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT. SO THIS IS A WAY TO KIND OF GET TOWARDS, UM, OUR QC REQUIREMENTS. AND SO WE'RE GONNA TRY THIS OUT. IF IT WORKS, WE'LL BUY ANOTHER ONE. SO ANYWAY, LOOK FOR THAT, LOOK FOR THAT NOZZLE. UM, BUT ANYWAY, THAT ALL THIS WILL BE ON A ONE, HOPEFULLY ON ONE TRIP OUT, UM, TO TRY TO MINIMIZE THE, THE OVERALL IMPACT OF THAT, THOSE, UH, COSTS. HEY DAN, I'M CURIOUS WITH THE REPAIR, WAS IT, UM, WAS IT JUST A MATTER OF SERVICING OR WAS THERE ANYTHING PARTICULAR THAT HAD TO BE DONE TO, TO MAKE IT WORK? UM, THAT WE COULDN'T JUST LEAVE IT GOING FORWARD WITH HOW EXPENSIVE THE CONTRACTOR IS, JUST LEAVE IT AND HAVE THE OTHER ONE ON THE SHELF READY TO GO IN CASE IT'S EVER NEEDED. IT DOESN'T MEET THE SPECIFICATIONS OF THE FARM AS IT WAS ENGINEERED. SO IT IS A TEMPORARY MEASURE AND IT ISN'T, DOESN'T FALL WITHIN THE QC STANDARDS FOR THE FARM. IT PUTS US AT A, UH, RISK FOR, UH, OVERFLOWING THE TANK IF SOMEONE WAS TO MESS UP A FUEL ORDER. SO THANKFULLY WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO WATCH IT. OBVIOUSLY I'M NOT GONNA ORDER MORE FUEL THAN, YOU KNOW, COULDN'T GO IN THE TANK. BUT, UM, THERE IS A CHANCE THAT WE COULD OVERFLOW THE TANK IF THAT WAS NOT FIXED PROPERLY. SO WE NEED TO GET THAT, TO GET THAT REPLACED. UM, SO IS IT KIND OF DISABLED OR BYPASSED RIGHT NOW? IT'S ESSENTIALLY A BYPASS. YEAH. AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT I, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH. UM, BUT I DIDN'T REALLY SEE ANY OTHER OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO US THAT DIDN'T SACRIFICE, UM, FINANCIAL HARM AND POTENTIALLY SAFETY ISSUES FOR AIRCRAFT THAT ABSOLUTELY HAD TO GET FUEL. SO IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT A TERRITORY WE'D LIKE TO GO INTO. WE ALWAYS WANNA REPLACE EX THE PART EXACTLY OUTTA AS A DESIGNED FOR THAT WE HAD TO MAKE AN EXCEPTION TO THIS CASE. UM, HOPEFULLY WE WON'T HAVE TO DO THAT AGAIN. UM, SOME OF THE COSTS WERE THROWN AROUND. I THINK OVERALL, I THINK 28,000 IS PROBABLY A, A GOOD ESTIMATE WHEN WE HAVE THE SECOND REPAIR. SO ALL PARENT REPAIRS TOTAL ABOUT 28, BUT THE LAST VISIT I THINK WAS SOMEWHERE AROUND 12 OR SO. UM, THAT WAS THE ESTIMATE. I KNOW THERE WAS A COUPLE EMAILS THAT WENT BACK AND FORTH. I JUST WANNA MAKE CLEAR THAT THE REPAIR THAT'S BEEN MADE SO FAR WAS NOT 28,000. THAT'S THE ULTIMATE REPAIR, UH, TOTAL. YEAH. ANY MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT FUEL FARM? ALRIGHT, UH, A OS UM, BOY, WE'VE REALLY BEEN STRUGGLING WITH A OS AGAIN. UM, SO THERE WAS SOME POWER ISSUES. UM, UH, THANKFULLY SOME TENANTS REALLY, UH, BROUGHT IT TO OUR ATTENTION. UM, AND, UH, THE WINDS, WE WERE, THE WINDS WERE DROPPING OUT WHERE WE WOULDN'T SEE ANY WIND DATA. UM, SO THERE'S SOME SORT OF POWER ISSUE. WE WERE ABLE TO BYPASS THAT WITH THE HELP OF A TECH OVER THE PHONE. THIS IS DEFINITELY OUTSIDE OF OUR EXPERTISE. WE ARE DEFINITELY OUTTA CLASS ON THIS ONE. UM, BUT WE DID WHAT WE COULD AND WE GOT IT WORKING. BUT, UM, HOPEFULLY THIS WILL ALL BE ADDRESSED ON OUR, UM, TRIANNUAL SITE VISIT. UH, THEY COME OUT THREE TIMES A YEAR. UM, THAT'LL BE A PERMANENT FIX, BUT WE'VE BYPASSED POWER TO ALLOW THE AWAS, UM, WIND [00:55:01] SENSORS TO GET THAT DATA SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO ESPECIALLY IMPLEMENT WEATHER TO GET THE MOST, UM, THE BEST DATA OUT TO THE PILOTS. UM, THAT'S ACCURATE. UH, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? I JUST HAD ONE QUESTION. UM, I KNOW THAT THE GPS APPROACH IS ACTIVE AGAIN. YEAH. DO YOU, DID WE EVER FIGURE OUT WHERE THE, WHAT THE SOURCE OF INTERFERENCE WAS OR GET ANY OTHER INFORMATION? NO, I, I, I THINK TO THIS DAY IT WAS PROBABLY SOMETHING COMMERCIAL, UNINTENTIONAL, BUT, UM, NO, I HAD NO IDEA WHAT IT WAS, BUT IT, IT LEFT ABOUT AS FAST AS IT, IT, IT ARRIVED. SO THAT'S GOOD. YEAH. WE ARE, I THINK, BETTER SITUATED TO, TO NOTE HIM THE PROCEDURE. UH, IF IT WAS TO COME UP AGAIN, I THINK WE'D TRY TO MAKE THIS PROCEDURE SOME SORT OF INACCURACY, NOTE HIM INSTEAD OF AN UNAVAILABLE THAT THAT CAUSED A LOT OF PROBLEMS. BUT THAT WAS WHAT, UH, THAT WAS WHAT THE FA DECIDED TO PUT IN IT. BUT IT DID CAUSE A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH CENTER AND THEN EVEN AFTER IT WAS LIFTED, CENTER HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND WAS NOT, WERE THEY AWARE OF IT OR, OR I DON'T KNOW. THERE SEEMED TO BE A REAL DISCONNECT, UM, AND THE NOTAM SYSTEM DURING THAT WHOLE PROCESS. SO I THINK WE KNOW, WE KNOW BETTER WHO TO CALL TO GET, UH, THE NOTAM IN FASTER, BUT ULTIMATELY I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A BETTER PROCEDURE FOR THIS SO THAT PEOPLE COULD STILL USE IT LEGALLY WITHOUT MM-HMM. PUTTING THEMSELVES IN SOME SORT OF, JUST TO BE AWARE OF THAT. THERE MAY BE YES. JUST TO BE AWARE. IT COULD BE UNRELIABLE. YEAH. THAT, THAT WOULD, ESPECIALLY FOR FEDEX, I KNOW THAT CAUSED THEM TO YEAH. UM, NOT EVEN BE ABLE TO MAKE IT IN AT LEAST ONE DAY THAT I'M AWARE OF, SO YEAH, HOPEFULLY, HOPEFULLY WE DON'T HAVE TO, UH, GO DOWN THAT ROAD AGAIN. I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE A OS SERVICE, IT'S TRI-ANNUAL. DO WE KNOW WHEN THEY ARE SCHEDULED TO BE HERE? IF I RECALL, THEY CAME OUT IN LATE OCTOBER OR EARLY NOVEMBER, SO IT SHOULD BE REALLY SOON. I WOULD SAY WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO. YEAH. YEAH. THANK YOU. BEFORE WE MOVE ON FROM OPERATIONS, DAN? YEAH, I JUST A QUESTION. WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE TITLE 16 STUFF, THERE WAS SOME GOOD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, UH, CHARTS AND AIRPORT INFORMATION UPDATES, AND I JUST WONDERED IF ANYTHING HAD HAPPENED ON THAT YET. CHARTS AND UPDATES. UM, COULD YOU REFRESH MY MEMORY? WE HAD BROUGHT THE HANDOUTS THAT OH YES, YOU GET AT THE AIRPORTS, AND I'M BLANKING ON THE NAME OF THEM ALSO RIGHT NOW. I APOLOGIZE. OH, THAT WAS, THAT, WAS THAT THE NOISE ABATEMENT? YEP. PROCEDURE ABATEMENT, NOISE ABATEMENT PROCEDURES, AND THEN ALSO JUST GENERAL AIRPORT INFORMATION WE HAD, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU GO, YOU PICK UP AT, AT OTHER FIELDS. UM, WE HAD A, A STACK OF THEM. YEAH. MARK ASHTON BROUGHT SOME EXAMPLES YES. NEARBY AIRPORTS. IT WAS HELPFUL. SO I, I GUESS, UH, YEAH. UM, LOOKING FOR DIRECTION ON WHAT WE WOULD LIKE ON THAT. LIKE IT, WE CAN DO THE GRAPHICS, WE CAN, WE CAN PUT THEM TOGETHER. SO THE, THE PHYSICAL, GETTING IT ALL TOGETHER, WE CAN DO THAT. I GUESS PART OF THE QUESTION IS WHAT ARE THOSE PROCEDURES GOING TO BE? I MEAN, AND I, WE HAVE SOME SORT OF UNOFFICIAL ONES THAT WE ENCOURAGE THE FLIGHT SCHOOL TO FLIGHT SCHOOLS TO USE. UM, YEAH, I GUESS I'D LOOKING FOR DIRECTION ON WHO WOULD MAKE THE DECISION ON WHAT THAT WOULD SHOW. DO WE NEED TO CREATE AN AD HOC COMMITTEE TO SUPPORT THAT? SURE. CAN WE REPLACE ONE OF THE OTHER AD HOC COMMITTEES THAT'S . I THINK WE'RE UP FINE. I WELL, IT'S JUST HOW UNFORTUNATELY WE CAN DO IT ALL TOGETHER. RIGHT. SO, UM, I THINK OPERATIONS COULD LOOK AT THAT. I THINK THAT SHOULD GO IN OPERATIONS. ONE, JUST BRINGING THIS UP, UM, IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT, UH, CLIMATE ACTION, UM, HAS A PROCEDURE WHERE THEY WILL DO KIND OF A HALF MEETING, TAKE A BREAK, BREAK OFF INTO AD HOCS WITHIN THIS BUILDING AND THEN, UM, RECONVENE. THAT COULD BE AN OPTION. UM, WITH AS MANY AD HOCS IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T, YOU'D NEED AT LEAST THREE TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS NO QUORUM, BUT THAT IS A POSSIBILITY. UM, SOMETHING WE CAN MAYBE DISCUSS IN THE FUTURE. BUT I KNOW BEING OUTSIDE CAN BE VERY DIFFICULT. AND THAT'S THE, THE CLIMATE ACTION, I THINK IS, HAS ALSO STRUGGLED WITH DOING THAT. AND SO THAT WAS ONE WAY THEY WORKED WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY TO FIND WHERE, AS LONG AS THERE ARE THREE INDEPENDENT SPACES AND NO ONE WAS TALKING BETWEEN THEM, KINDA KEEP 'EM SEPARATE. THAT WAS AN OPTION. IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO PUT OUT THERE THAT HELPS. UM, OKAY. BUT, UM, YEAH, IF YOU WANT TO FORM AN AD HOC TO, TO LOOK AT, UM, NOISE PROCEDURES, I WAS JUST REMEMBERING THAT WE HAD HAD SOME ENERGY AROUND THAT WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT TITLE 16 AND PUTTING OUT INFORMATION AND CHARTING. AND THERE WAS A, A, A STIPULATION IN TITLE 16 THAT [01:00:01] INFORMATION NEEDED TO BE KEPT CURRENT ON THE FAA DATABASES. AND, AND WE MENTIONED THAT THE AIRPORT WEBSITE WAS ALSO A VENUE AND THEN SOME OF THESE OTHER RESOURCES CAME UP AS WELL. SO I THINK IT'S JUST A GENERAL, LIKE COMMUNICATING INFORMATION OUT ABOUT THE AIRPORT AND I THINK THE NOISE ABATEMENT PROCEDURES IS PART OF THAT, BUT MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT THE CONVERSATION WAS BROADER THAN THAT. UM, AND I, I DON'T HAVE MY NOTES FROM LAST TIME IN FRONT OF ME. I APOLOGIZE, BUT, UM, MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WHEN, UM, MARCUS GETS BACK. 'CAUSE I THINK HE WAS PART OF THAT CONVERSATION LAST, LAST TIME IT CAME UP AROUND THE TITLE 16 PIECES. SO MAYBE WE CAN, WE CAN TOUCH IN AROUND THAT. SURE. AND I, I THINK, UH, MARK ASHTON AND, UH, PIGGY BACKER WOULD BE REALLY GOOD. YEAH. AS FAR AS YES. DETERMINING WHAT, WHAT'S BEING DONE RIGHT NOW. YEAH. SOME PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT AS WELL. OKAY. UM, WE CAN FOLLOW UP ABOUT THAT OFFLINE. SURE. AND, AND WHEN HE'S BACK IN TOWN, TAKE A THEY COULD ACTION TO SEE IF WE CAN CONNECT ON THAT. I THOUGHT THERE WERE SOME GOOD IDEAS. I JUST DON'T WANNA LET 'EM DROP EVEN THOUGH WE'RE ALL SATURATED. SO IT'S, I JUST MOVING ON TO, TO PROJECTS. UM, SO THE, UM, THE TAXI WAY ALPHA TEXTING BRA WILL BE GONE TO BID, UH, REALLY SOON. UM, WE'RE TRYING TO CHECK MAKE ONE LESS CHECK WITH THE FAA, HAVEN'T GOT ANY RESPONSE UNFORTUNATELY. UM, BUT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET A, A SENSE OF LESS THE MONEY PORTION AND MORE THE, JUST DO YOU APPROVE OF OUR 90%, UM, DESIGN DOCUMENTS. SO WE'VE GOT REACHED 9% ON BOTH, UM, ALPHA AND BRAVO. WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER, OTHER THINGS THAT WE NEED TO, TO CHANGE BEFORE WE, WE PUT THOSE OUT. UM, WE'RE GONNA KEEP MOVING FORWARD AND, UM, OBVIOUSLY THE, ALL THOSE BIDS WILL BE, UH, CONDITIONAL ON FUNDING. UM, JUST A, JUST A RECAP ON FUEL FARM, UH, REHABILITATION. UH, THE INTENT IS TO GET, UH, DESIGN, UH, WORK DONE IN 26 THIS UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR, STARTING JULY 1ST, AND THEN THE WORK, ACTUAL WORK IN FISCAL YEAR 27. THAT'S OUR GOAL. THAT REALLY CON COINCIDES WELL WITH OUR 20 YEAR, UM, TANK REHAB, UH, REQUIREMENT, UH, WHERE WE NEED TO DO TAKE INSPECTION. SO WE'RE TRYING TO KIND OF GET THAT ALL TOGETHER ON THE SAME. SO, UM, THE CHALLENGE WILL BE FINDING THAT A COMPANY TO DO THE, THE WORK. WE, WE TALKED TO A LOCAL COMPANY THAT DID OUR, UM, SPCC FOR, UH, UH, FUEL, UM, SAFETY AND, UM, COUNTERMEASURES. IT'S BASICALLY THE, OUR, OUR, UM, OUR SAFETY AND COMPLIANCE DOCUMENT THAT WE HAVE TO UPDATE EVERY FIVE YEARS. WE CHECK WITH THAT COMPANY. THEY SAID, NO, WE DON'T REALLY DO, WE DON'T DO FARM DESIGN. SO WE'RE PROBABLY HAVE TO GO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AND WIDER TO TRY TO FIND A COMPANY TO DO THAT WORK. BUT, UM, UH, THAT IS THE INTENT FOR FISCAL YEAR 26 TO GET THAT DESIGN WORK DONE SO THAT WE CAN THEN PUT IT OUT TO BID. UM, STILL DON'T HAVE NUMBERS ON IT, BUT WE'RE DEFINITELY UNDER 200,000, PROBABLY ABOVE A HUNDRED THOUSAND SOMEWHERE IN THERE IS A BEST GUESS AT THIS TIME. UM, HANGAR FEASIBILITY STUDY, UM, I WAS PROVIDED FIVE ALTERNATE LAYOUTS. UM, I'D LOVE TO GIVE THAT TO YOU AT THE NEXT MEETING, BUT IN MY REPORT AND JUST KIND OF GO THROUGH WHAT WE'VE RECEIVED. THIS IS STILL A DRAFT. WE'RE KIND OF ONLY HALFWAY THROUGH THIS, UM, FEASIBILITY PROCESS. BUT, UM, THERE ARE SOME CONCEPTUAL IDEAS, THERE'S SOME SETBACKS WE NEED TO LOOK AT SOME OTHER CONSIDERATIONS, BUT WE DO HAVE FIVE THEORETICAL, UM, LAYOUTS. AND, UM, I'LL GO OVER THOSE WITH YOUR PERMISSION. I'LL PUT THAT ON MY, UH, REPORT AND WE'LL, WE'LL REPORT OUT ON THAT. UM, AT THE NEXT MEETING. UM, STILL NO, WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY DATA, SOLID DATA ON HANGAR DEMAND PER SE. WE DID GET SOME INFORMATION ON SOME RECENT HANGAR PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE WORKS RIGHT NOW, OR WE'RE JUST COMPLETED. THEY'RE NOT A LOT OF THEM IN CALIFORNIA. OKAY. UM, BUT, UM, UH, YEAH, SO WE'LL, WE'LL TRY TO GET AS MUCH INFORMATION WE CAN, BUT I, AND BARE MINIMUM, I'LL GIVE YOU THOSE LAYOUTS TO LOOK AT, UM, THE NEXT MEETING. AND, AND THEN, UM, UNLESS THAT WAS A PUBLIC COMMENT THING THAT WE WANTED TO DO, JUST PUT'EM OUT THERE FOR EVERYBODY TO COMMENT OR YOU JUST, I COULD JUST PRE I COULD JUST PRESENT 'EM, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WANNA DO THAT, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE TO BE ABLE TO GET FEEDBACK ON THE CONVERSATION. OKAY. AND I KNOW WE CAN'T REALLY DO THAT IN THE, WHEN THINGS ARE EMBEDDED IN THE REPORT, SO I THINK YEAH. IF WE COULD MAKE THAT A OKAY. A PUBLIC DISCUSSION ITEM. OKAY. THERE DOESN'T NEED TO NECESSARILY BE ANY ASSOCIATED ACTION OR MOTION WITH IT. YEAH. BUT JUST, IT'LL JUST BE A REVIEW DISCUSSION YEAH. LAYOUT REVIEW. OKAY. THAT REVIEW. OKAY. UM, OKAY. GREAT. YEAH, AND DAN, WITH THAT, I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS AROUND, UM, HANGER YEAH. HANGERS AND, YOU KNOW, AIRCRAFT, YOU KNOW, JUST THE AIRCRAFT MEET THE DEFINITION OF WHAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE, THE HANGAR. UM, WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS OFF AND ON IN THE PAST AROUND OTHER ERROR AND ARTICLE ACTIVITIES AND ENCOURAGING OTHER, YOU KNOW, APPROPRIATE [01:05:01] BUSINESS USE, BUSINESS USE OF THE AIRPORT. AND SOME OF THAT'S BEEN IN THE CONTEXT OF WHAT DO WE DO AFTER WE'RE DONE WITH THE LOAN AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND I DON'T, UM, WE'LL FIND OUT IF THAT WAS INCLUDED IN ANY OF THESE PROPOSALS, BUT I THINK IF THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO INCLUDE SOME OF THAT IN THE DISCUSSION OF WHAT OUR VISION IS, UM, NOT JUST AIRCRAFT STORAGE, BUT OTHER AERONAUTICAL ACTIVITIES, I'D BE INTERESTED IN EXPLORING THAT AS A THOUGHT EXERCISE AT LEAST. OKAY. UM, LET'S SEE. UH, WE'RE, WE'RE JUST WRAPPING UP THE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT STUDY. SO WE GOT $53,000 FROM THE, UM, THE FA TO FUND, UH, UM, THIS, UH, UM, STUDY EVERY FIVE YEARS. THE FA ONCE UPDATED, UM, PAVEMENT, UM, CONDITIONS. UH, WHEN WE HAVE THAT, UH, COMPLETED, WE WILL ALL INCLUDE THAT IN ONE OF MY REPORTS SO YOU CAN SEE IT AS WELL. BUT, UM, SOME OF IT LOOKS A LITTLE BIT, UM, PESSIMISTIC . THERE, THERE ARE SOME AREAS THAT, UM, THE PAVEMENT IS DEFINITELY QUOTE UNQUOTE FAILED. UM, IT'S STILL, IT'S STILL IN USE. IT'S BEEN PATCHED, IT'S BEEN KIND OF REWORKED TO MAKE IT, UM, A LEGAL PAVEMENT. BUT THERE ARE DEFINITELY SOME AREAS THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED COMPLETELY. SO WE'LL HAVE THAT FULL REPORT SO YOU CAN LOOK AT, UM, WHAT, WHAT THE CONSULTANT MEAT HUNT CONSIDERS TO BE. THE FAA, UM, UH, CONDITION, UH, RATINGS ON ALL OUR PAVEMENT AREAS, INCLUDING THE ROAD TOO. IT'S PRETTY MUCH EVERY, EVERY PAVEMENT PART OF THE, UH, AIRPORT PROPERTY. SO WE'LL GET THAT OUT, UM, TO YOU AS SOON AS THAT'S DONE. UM, THE CONSULTANT FOR OUR, UM, ROW TWO HANGAR REPAIR SAYS IT'S GONNA BE DONE THIS WEEK. SO, UM, THE ENGINEER AND I ARE TRUSTING THAT, AND SO BY THE END OF THE WEEK TOMORROW WE SHOULD HAVE, THAT SHOULD BE DONE AND GET THAT OUT TO BID, UM, VERY, VERY SOON. UM, HANG 18 C I'VE BEEN ABLE TO FINISH THE TECH SPECS FOR THAT BID. UM, I THINK THERE'S SOME PROVISIONAL, UM, PROVISIONAL ITEMS THAT NEED TO STILL BE, UM, DONE, BUT WE'RE, I'M REALLY CLOSE TO FINISHING THAT ONE AS WELL. UM, HOPEFULLY BY NEXT WEEK I CAN GET IT SUBMITTED TO AN ENGINEER FOR REVIEW. THEY CAN LOOK AT MY BID DOCS. THEY'RE PRETTY BASIC IN COMPARISON TO A TYPICAL, UM, CONSTRUCTION BID. UM, BUT, UM, YEAH, I SHOULD BE DONE WITH THAT TO AT LEAST AS FAR AS BUYING MY PORTION, UM, BY NEXT WEEK. AND THEN HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET APRIL IS WHAT I'M KIND OF TARGETING FOR, UM, UH, BID OPENING. SO MAYBE END OF MARCH, HAVE AN ACTUAL WALK WITH A CONTRACTOR, INTERESTED CONTRACTORS. AND THEN BIDDING BID OPEN, UH, SOMETIME IN, UH, APRIL. THAT'S THE CURRENT, THAT'S THE CURRENT GOAL FOR, FOR THE HANGAR DOOR. I THINK THAT'S ALL THE ITEMS I HAD UPDATES FOR, FOR PROJECTS. ANY QUESTIONS? YEP. I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE DOOR GOING OUT FOR BID MM-HMM . HOW LONG, IF IT GOES OUT BID IN APRIL, HOW LONG IS THE BIDDING PERIOD? SO I THINK TYPICALLY FOR MOST OF THEM IT'S SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THREE WEEKS TO A MONTH. OKAY. BETWEEN WHEN MM-HMM. IT'S PUBLISHED VERSUS WHEN THERE'S A, UM, IN MOST CASES A NON-MANDATORY, UM, SITE WALK, SITE VISIT, UM, PRE-BID MEETING. AND THEN, UM, AND THEN USUALLY WITHIN THREE OR FOUR WEEKS FROM THERE, THERE'S THE, FOR A PROJECT LIKE THIS, FOR SOME OF LARGER PROJECTS, IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT LONGER PERIOD. MM-HMM . FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS, TYPICALLY, I THINK AROUND A MONTH. YEAH. AND THEN DEPENDING ON THE, IT DEPENDS ON THEIR SCHEDULE WHEN WORK WOULD ACTUALLY START AFTER, DOES IT GO TO HAVE TO GO TO A CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR APPROVAL AFTER THE QUOTES ARE EARNED? THE WINNING, THE WINNING BID WOULD, UM, FOR ACCEPTANCE. AND THEN, UM, TYPICALLY WE WOULD, WE GIVE A, UM, NOTICE TO PROCEED AND THEN WHATEVER THE TIME PERIOD, USUALLY IT'S 60 DAYS, BUT IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE OURS IS GONNA 60 DAYS, 60 DAYS FROM WORKING, DAYS FROM THAT. UM, NOT TO PROCEED IS WHEN IT WOULD BE IN THEORY COMPLETED. OKAY. SO, UM, AS FAR AS THE, THE, THE HANGAR REPAIR, UM, I HAVE NOT LOOKED AT THE MOST RECENT, UH, ONES FOR ROW TWO TO SEE WHAT THAT, THAT SCHEDULE IS. I THINK IT'S SIMILAR. I THINK IT'S A, A 60 DAY, BUT, UM, I HAVE TO LOOK AT THOSE. OKAY. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT, UH, YEAH. TIMING AND MONTHLY BUCKETS AND WE'RE PROBABLY, IF YOU GET IT OUT IN APRIL, WHAT DO YOU THINK FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS BEFORE WORK WOULD BEGIN? MAYBE SIX. I THINK IF, YEAH, I THINK BY, UM, VERY EARLY SUMMER WE WOULD BE, WE WOULD BE DONE. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF OH, OKAY. WHEN THE CONTRACTOR THERE, THERE COULD BE WEATHER CONSIDERATIONS. THAT'S USUALLY THE ONE THAT KIND OF HOLDS EVERYBODY UP. THEY GET. SO MAYBE SOMETIMES IT'S LIKE MAY IS WHEN THE START DATE IS JUST TO TRY TO AVOID THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. LATE MAY. YEAH. OH, [01:10:01] OKAY. YEAH. AND THEN TRY, WE'RE TRYING TO GET THOSE COSTS AS CLOSE TO FISCAL YEAR 24 AS POSSIBLE, OR 25 AS POSSIBLE BEFORE WE GET INTO 26. SO WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO SPEND THAT MONEY. MONEY THAT'D BE GREAT. THAT WE CAN, YEAH. VERY GOOD. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU, DAN. THAT'S OUR GOAL. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THOSE ITEMS? OKAY, I THINK THAT'S IT FOR ME. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU DAN. ANY SAVE GROUNDS ON THE MANAGER'S REPORT? ALRIGHT, WELL I THINK THAT MEANS WE'VE DONE IT. ANYTHING BEFORE, I CALL IT. ALRIGHT. WE ARE ADJOURNED AT SEVEN 13. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.