* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. OKAY. [00:00:01] GOOD EVENING AND [CALL TO ORDER] WELCOME TO THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE PETALUMA TRANSIT ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR TUESDAY, MARCH 18TH, 2025. OKAY, ERIN, WOULD YOU PLEASE, UH, TAKE ROLL, UH, ABRAMS. HERE. ALDEN? HERE. RO HERE. HEEL HERE. UH, QUINT. HERE. TAR HERE. UH, VAZQUEZ IS A GADE HERE. HERE. WE HAVE A QUORUM. WE DON'T HAVE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC PRESENT THIS EVENING. UM, SO I WILL FOREGO READING THE PUBLIC SECTION, BUT I WILL ASK THE CLERK IF WE'VE RECEIVED ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS. UM, NO PRIOR PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU. OKAY. THEN, UH, WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. AND THE FIRST ITEM [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] IS THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES FOR, FOR OUR LAST MEETING, JANUARY 21ST, 2025. UM, SO COMMITTEE MEMBERS ARE THERE, UH, ANY CHANGES TO THE, TO THE MINUTES? OKAY. YES. I'M SORRY. OH, JUST ONE ON THE SECOND PAGE. THERE WAS A NOMINATION FOR YOURSELF AND I THOUGHT I PUT IT FORWARD, BUT IT'S, IT'S KIND OF CONFUSING HERE, HERE AS FAR AS SAYS COMMISSIONER TAR AND COMM, COUNCIL MEMBER , ON THE NEXT LINE, PUT THE NAME FORTH. SO JUST A CORRECTION THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. UM, I THINK WE CAN APPROVE OF YOUR FILE WITH THE MADAM CHAIR, UM, INCLUDING THAT MINOR EDIT. WE'LL MAKE THAT ALRIGHT. OKAY. AND, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, I WILL NOT BE PART OF THE APPROVAL 'CAUSE I WAS NOT ON THIS COMMITTEE AT THAT TIME. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, SO I WILL APPROVE THE MINUTES WITH THE CHANGE RECOMMENDED. SO WE NOW HAVE [PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION] SOME, UH, MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION, AND THE FIRST IS DISCUSSION AND RECOMMENDATION OF RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE SUBMISSION OF AN APPLICATION FOR LOW CARBON TRANSIT OPERATIONS PROGRAM AND THE EXECUTION OF THE CERTIFICATIONS AND ASSURANCES FOR THE FOLLOWING PROJECT PURCHASE ONE, REPLACEMENT ZERO EMISSION BUS. SO I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, INVITE THE STAFF TO PRESENT. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. GREAT AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. GOOD TO SEE EVERYONE BACK HERE. UH, SO WE HAVE TWO ITEMS ON THE BUSINESS AGENDA FOR TONIGHT, AND THESE WILL BE PRESENTED BY KAMI PRESENTING HER FIRST ITEMS FOR US. AND SO THE FIRST ONE IS THE, AN ITEM THAT COMES BACK EVERY YEAR FOR AN LC TOP GRANT APPLICATION. AND WITH THAT, KAMI, WOULD YOU LIKE TO PRESENT ON THAT? CAN EVERYONE HEAR ME OKAY? I CAN HEAR MYSELF . UM, SO THE FIRST ITEM IS THE LC O APPLICATION. LC, OP STANDS FOR LOW CARBON TRANSIT OPERATION PROGRAM. IT BEGAN IN 2014, UM, AND IT'S A NON-COMPETITIVE FORMULA BASED, UH, FUND, UM, FUNDED BY 5% CAP AND TRADE FROM AUCTIONS. 50% IS ALLOCATED TOWARDS TRANSIT EVERY YEAR, AND THEN IT IS DIVIDED UP BASED UPON, UM, POPULATION REVENUE THAT AMOUNT. UM, THIS YEAR FOR THE 24 25 ALLOCATION, PETALUMA IS PROGRAMMED TO RECEIVE 130,657 UM, DOLLARS, WHICH WE ARE, UH, PROPOSING TO PORT PROPOSING TO PUT FORWARD FOR ONE ZERO EMISSIONS BATTERY ELECTRIC, ZERO EMISSION BUS. UM, THIS, THIS IS FUNDED BY A VARIETY OF REVENUE SOURCES, UM, BUT THIS ALLOWS FOR US TO, UM, NOT USE OUR TDA FUNDS, WHICH I'LL TALK ABOUT NEXT . UM, BUT IT ALLOWS FOR US TO, UM, MEET PART OF THE LOCAL MATCH REQUIRED, UH, SO THAT FTA REQUIRES THAT WE MEET 20% LOCAL MATCH AND, UH, LC TOP COUNTS TOWARDS THE LOCAL MATCH FOR, UM, BUS PURCHASES. UH, THE 133,657 IS DOWN FROM THE PREVIOUS YEARS DUE TO, UH, STATEWIDE REVENUE DECREASE. UM, SPECIFICALLY PEOPLE WITHIN THE COUNTY HAVE BEEN MOVING, BUT THEN ALSO JUST PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PURCHASING LESS, UM, RECENTLY JUST BECAUSE OF THE CHOICES THAT WE'RE MAKING. SO, , UM, [00:05:03] UM, THE LC OP CAN BE USED TOWARDS ENHANCING TRANSIT SERVICE. UM, IT CAN ALSO BE USED TOWARDS OPERATIONS EXPENSES TO INCREASE USE, SUCH AS FAIR FREE PROGRAMS, UM, OR IT CAN BE USED TO PURCHASE ZERO MISSION BUSES, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. UM, OUR MAIN FUNDING FOR THE PROGRAM IS F-D-F-D-A 53 0 7, UM, PLUS THE TSIP GRANT THAT WE RECEIVED IN 20 22, 20 23, UM, TO PRESERVE OUR TDA, OUR OLD BUS THAT WE WILL BE REPLACING WILL BE AUCTIONED OFF BECAUSE IT WILL BE AT THE END OF ITS USEFUL LIFE. UH, THIS HELPS ACHIEVE OUR CITY BLUEPRINT, UH, OUR CLIMATE ACTION BLUEPRINT, UM, PLUS THE CAL INNOVATIVE TRANS TRANSIT INITIATIVE. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? SO, UM, OPENING THIS TO COMMITTEE AND PERHAPS WE, OH, SORRY. OPENING THIS TO COMMITTEE COMMENT, UH, PERHAPS WE COULD START WITH YOU, FRANK, AND COME DOWN THE ROW, BUT I'LL GO LAST, UH, NO COMMENTS AT THIS AT THIS POINT, ERIC, NO COMMENT FROM ME EITHER. THANK YOU. HELLO? UM, I HAVE NO COMMENT EXCEPT TO APPRECIATE THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT THIS IS NON-COMPETITIVE AND FORMULA BASED. UM, THAT'S A GREAT CLARIFICATION. SO, UH, YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT. NO COMMENT. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION THAT I HAVE. IT'S NOT ANYTHING TERRIBLY IMPORTANT. I, I JUST GET CONFUSED. WHEN THEY DISCUSS PREVIOUS CASES, LIKE CITY OF IRVINE VERSUS COUNTY OF ORANGE, HOW DOES THAT FIT IN HERE? OH, SORRY. HOW DOES THAT FIT THAT, THAT, THAT WAS ONE NOTED HERE THAT, UH, UH, IRVINE AND THE COUNTY OF ORANGE HAD A CASE AND IT WAS RESOLVED SOMEHOW, BUT IT MADE NO SENSE TYING IT INTO THE, THE TRANSIT MONEY AS FAR AS I WAS CONCERNED. IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IT, I THINK IT'S IN THE RESOLUTION, NOT, NOT THE, UM, NOT YOUR STAFF REPORT. WHERE, WHAT ARE THE LEGAL CASES THEY'RE REFERRED TO? UM, SORRY, COULD YOU ASK THAT QUESTION AGAIN? I MISSED THE FIRST PART OF THAT QUESTION. WELL, IT JUST, IF IT WAS A QUESTION, MAYBE I SHOULD JUST HOLD OFF ON THAT UNTIL THE END. WILL I JUST HAVE A COUNCIL OR COMMISSION COMMENTS MIGHT BE EASIER SO WE CAN MOVE ON WITH THIS. OKAY. OKAY. WAS, BUT I, I HAVE A COMMENT ON YOUR COMMENT. YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE PARAGRAPH ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMPLIANCE THAT, THAT DISCUSSION, UH, YEAH, THAT WAS IT. I, I'M, I'M STILL AT, I'M, I'M NOT EASE, AT EASE WITH THESE DAMN THINGS HERE STILL. I KNOW IT'S GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE WE NEED THEM HERE COMING BACK AGAIN, BUT IT'S LIKE, I CAN'T HEAR, I MEAN, MY, I NEED A HEARING AID, I THINK TO BE HERE AND I'M PROBABLY GONNA JUST QUIT THE, THE WHOLE THING UNTIL THESE THINGS ARE REMOVED. OH, THE PARTITIONS. IT'S CRAZY. YEAH, WELL, THESE THINGS, YEAH, ANYWAY, SORRY, I WASN'T HEARING WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, . THAT'S QUITE ALL RIGHT. I'M SORRY YOU WEREN'T, I HAD JUST A, A, A VERY, TWO MINOR COMMENTS. HEY, GAIL. GAIL, SORRY. UH, DO YOU MIND JUST MOVE A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE MICROPHONE? OH, OKAY, PLEASE. SORRY. THANK YOU. IT'S, YOU'LL SHOOT ME. BUT IN THE PARAGRAPH WHERE YOU SAID THE, UH, THE REDUCTION IN THE FUNDING BECAUSE OF A MINOR, UM, DECREASE, BUT THE RESULT IS ACTUALLY A 20% DECREASE, WHICH ISN'T MINOR. SO I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN UPDATE THE LANGUAGE IN UNLESS IT WAS A MINOR DECREASE IN THE FUNDING AND IT WAS OUR POPULATION SHIFT THAT CAUSED IT TO BE BIG. I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW. AND THEN I'M BELIEVING THAT FTA IS THE FEDERAL TRANSIT AUTHORITY. CORRECT. THANK YOU, . OKAY. THERE'S NO PUBLIC, UH, TO SPEAK. AND, UM, SO, SO I DID HAVE, I THOUGHT, I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT OF ONE MORE QUESTION. THE, THE, UM, THE BUS THAT THE, UH, THE FUNDS WILL GO TOWARDS, UH, IS THAT, SO I KNOW THAT WE, WE'VE ALREADY AUTHORIZED THE PURCHASE OF FOUR ELECTRIC BUSES. SO IS THIS GOING TOWARDS ONE OF THOSE OR IS THERE AN ADDITIONAL ONE ON TOP OF THOSE? UM, I CAN TAKE THAT ONE. SO THIS WOULD BE THE NEXT TRANCHE OF BUSES THAT WE ANTICIPATE COMING BEFORE THIS, UH, COMMITTEE AND THEN COUNCIL LATER THIS YEAR, LIKELY AROUND DECEMBER, THAT SHOULD BE THREE ADDITIONAL FIXED DROP BUSES. [00:10:01] SO FULLY SEPARATE FROM THE FOUR THAT ARE ALREADY PURCHASED THAT WE'RE EXPECTING TO RECEIVE IN ABOUT A MONTH OR SO. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. OKAY. IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER, UM, COMMENTS, THEN UM, THIS IS A VOTING ITEM, SO IT, WE NEED SOMEONE FROM THE COMMITTEE TO MAKE A MOTION. SO MOVED. THAT'S A MOTION TO PASS. YES, IT IS. COURT. ALRIGHT. AND I'LL SECOND THANK YOU. SO DAVE ALDEN, MOTION TO PASS. AND ERIC, I HAVE TO READ YOUR LAST NAME. I'M SORRY. UM, VASQUEZ AKI. IT'S VASQUEZ'S AKIRA, BUT I JUST TEND TO USE VASQUEZ. OKAY. IT'S EASIER FOR FOLKS. I'LL WORK ON THAT. UH, SECONDED. SO IF THE CLERK CAN CALL THE ROLE, PLEASE. ABRAMS APPROVE. ALDEN? YES. RO YES. HILL? YES. UH, QUINT? YES. TAR? YES. UH, VASQUEZ IS A GOOD DAY. YES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. UH, ONE QUICK COMMENT IF I CAN. MADAM CHAIR. UM, I BELIEVE THOSE COMMENTS, I NOW SEE WHAT WAS REFERENCED REGARDING THE CITY OF IRVINE VERSUS COUNTY OF ORANGE ITEM NOTED. THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMPLIANCE, BASICALLY WHAT THAT'S REFERRING TO IS THE CITY AT THIS POINT. BY TAKING THIS ACTION, IT'S ONLY SAYING THAT WE'RE ONLY COMMITTING TO GETTING A GRANT, APPLYING FOR IT, ET CETERA. IT'S NOT COMMITTING TO US PURCHASING THE BUS, FOR EXAMPLE, AND WHAT TYPE OF BUS RIGHT NOW. SO BASICALLY IT'S CLARIFYING THAT LANGUAGE SAYING THAT WOULD BE A SEPARATE SECONDARY PROCESS FURTHER DOWN THE LINE. SO THAT WAS THE INTENT OF THAT LANGUAGE. JUST BEFORE WE LEAVE THAT ITEM. THANK YOU. OKAY. OUR NEXT ITEM IS DISCUSSION AND RECOMMENDATION OF A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE FILING OF AN APPLICATION WITH THE METROPOLITAN TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION FOR ALLOCATION OF TRANSPORTATION DEVELOPMENT ACT, STATE TRANSIT ASSISTANCE FUNDS FOR CITY OF PETALUMA TRANSIT SERVICES FOR FISCAL YEAR 24 25. SO WOULD YOU PLEASE PRESENT? YES. THANK YOU, CAMIL. UM, SO THE TDA, WHICH STANDS FOR TRANSPORTATION DEVELOPMENT ACT, AND THEN THE STA, WHICH STANDS FOR STATE TRANSIT ASSISTANCE, BOTH OUR FUNDS. UM, WE FILE AN APPLICATION ANNUALLY THROUGH M-T-C-T-D-A FUNDS ARE GENERATED BY A QUARTER CENT STATEWIDE TAX. AND STA FUNDS ARE GENERATED ON TAXES ON THE SALE OF DIESEL FUEL. UM, THE METROPOLITAN TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION, MTC, UH, ALLOCATES THE FUNDS BASED APP, PORTIONS OF FUNDS BASED UPON POPULATION SIZES AND REVENUE OF EACH COUNTY, AND THEN DISTRIBUTES IT TO THE LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS FOR US. AND SONOMA COUNTY, IT'S SCTA, WHICH IS SONOMA COUNTY TRANSIT AUTHORITY, TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY, TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY, UM, EVERY YEAR TO REQUEST ALLOCATION OF THESE FUNDS. WE FILE AN APPLICATION WITH MTC. UM, MTC THEN APPROVES THESE APPLICATIONS TO AUTHORIZE USE OF THESE FUNDS, UH, SOME BACKGROUND ON THE FUNDS FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS. SO, FUNDS, UM, ARE APPROXIMATELY DOWN 5% STATEWIDE, VARYING DEPENDING ON THE FUND AND DEPENDING ON THE LOCATION. UH, CURRENTLY OUR TDA APPORTIONMENT FOR THE FY 20 24, 20 25 FISCAL YEAR, THE ONE THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY IN IS $3,625,545. AND THEN OUR STA APPORTIONMENT IS $1,283,635. SO DOWN 5% COUNTYWIDE FROM PREVIOUS YEARS. UM, THE FILING OF THE APPLICATION REQUIRES US TO, UM, WHAT'S THE CORRECT WORD, UH, ADOPT A RESOLUTION, UM, WHICH WE SUBMIT WITH OUR APPLICATION, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE ARE BRINGING THIS FORWARD. UM, BUT ALSO FOR THE REQUEST OF THE ALLOCATION FOR THIS YEAR, ADDITIONAL FUNDS THAT A CTA MANAGES IN THE APPORTIONMENT IS MEASURE M, WHICH IS 384,194, ALLOCATED APPORTIONED FOR, FOR THIS YEAR. UM, FOR REFERENCE, TDA AND STA ARE OUR MAIN SOURCES OF FUNDS. UM, THEY MAKE UP THREE FOURTHS OF OUR BUDGET. [00:15:01] UH, THIS YEAR WE'RE PROPOSING, UM, TO, UH, ALLOCATE $3,615,273 FOR BOTH CAPITAL AND OPERATIONS. THIS IS AN INCREASE FROM PREVIOUS YEARS DUE TO THE LAUNCHING OF LUMA GO STAFFING CHANGES, UM, REPAIRS FOR BUSES, UM, AND THEN GENERAL COST INCREASES FOR, UM, JUST OPERATING COST INCREASES. UM, FOR CAPITAL WE'RE, UH, REQUEST OR ALLOCATING 438,966. SORRY, I WANNA GET MY NUMBERS RIGHT. UM, , THIS WOULD, UM, BE ALLOCATED TOWARDS THE PURCHASE OF, UH, ZERO EMISSION PARATRANSIT VANS, UM, SCHEDULING SOFTWARE ENGINE REPLACEMENTS, AND THEN BUS STOP, UM, IMPROVEMENTS AND, UH, SECURITY SYSTEM UPGRADES. UM, STA FUNDING IS REQUIRED TO JUST BE FOR OPERATIONS. SO ALL OF STA FUNDING WOULD BE ALLOCATED FOR OPERATIONS. UM, SO OUR TOTAL REQUEST FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR, UM, INCLUDING BOTH FTA OR TDA, EXCUSE ME, INCLUDING BOTH TDA FUNDS, BOTH CAPITAL AND OPERATING. AND THEN STA FUNDS WOULD BE $4,898,908. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, THERE'S NO PUBLIC PRESENT TO, UH, PROVIDE COMMENT. UM, AND DID WE RECEIVE ANY COMMENTS IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? UH, NO PRIOR PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. THEN, UM, DOES ANYONE ON THE COMMITTEE HAVE QUESTIONS? YES. OKAY. . OH, PLEASE GO FIRST. THANK YOU, DAVE, PLEASE. UM, I, UH, UH, IS A COUPLE OF CLARIFICATIONS. IS THIS ALSO NON-COMPETITIVE AND FORMULA BASED? CORRECT. AND SO IF THERE ARE ANY, UM, CHANGES, UH, SAY IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR IN TERMS OF FEDERAL FUNDING THAT MIGHT FLOW, THOSE BALANCES WOULD BE MADE BASED ON FORMULA, RIGHT? THOSE ADJUSTMENTS WOULD BE OKAY. YES. THEY'RE ALL, UH, CALCULATED THROUGH FORMULA. THE CALCULATIONS RUN THROUGHOUT THE YEAR TO KEEP TRACK OF HOW REVENUE GENERATED FUNDS ARE. AND MDC HANDLES ALL OF THAT, RIGHT? YEAH, CORRECT. AND UM, ANOTHER QUESTION IS, UM, SO THE COUNTY TREASURY HOLDS THESE FUNDS. SO DOES SCTA MANAGE THESE, DO THE COUNTY, UM, TRANSPORTATION ADMINISTRATIONS THEN MANAGE THESE FUNDS? OR WHAT, WHAT IS THE PROCESS? SO YEAH, SO THAT IS THE CASE. THE FUNDS FLOW INTO THE REGION THROUGH MTC, THE METROPOLITAN TRANSPORTATION, UM, COMMITTEE, AND THEN THEY GET DOLED OUT AT THE COUNTY LEVEL BY THE CONGESTION MITIGATION AGENCIES IN OUR CASE SCTA. AND SO IT COMES INTO SCTA IN THE FORM OF A BLOCK GRANT. OH, OKAY. AND THEN EACH COUNTY DOES ITS OWN KIND OF ALLOCATION FORMULATION TO DETERMINE WHICH AGENCIES GET WHICH AMOUNTS DEPENDING ON THINGS LIKE POPULATION YEAH. RIDERSHIP, THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES. AND SO EVERY YEAR THERE'S A PROCESS THAT OCCURS AT SETA CALLED THE COORDINATED CLAIM. AND THROUGH THAT PROCESS, THEY TELL YOU HOW MUCH MONEY YOU HAVE AVAILABLE TO YOUR AGENCY AND T-D-A-S-T-A BASED ON THOSE PREDETERMINED FORMULAS WHICH GET REVIEWED EVERY SEVERAL YEARS. WE'RE KIND OF IN THE PROCESS, OF COURSE, OF REVIEWING TDA RIGHT NOW WITH MASCOT'S EFFORT. BUT GENERALLY, ONCE THAT PROCESS IS COMPLETED AND APPROVED EVERY YEAR, YOU KNOW HOW MUCH FUNDING IS AVAILABLE TO YOU AND ALLOCATED AS NOTED IN THE REPORT. MM-HMM . AND THEN WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO IS YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS MECHANISM OF CREATING YOUR T-B-A-S-T-A CLAIM TO SAY HOW MUCH OF THAT FUNDING YOU ACTUALLY WANT TO USE FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR. UH, WITH FUNDS LIKE STA THAT EXPIRES IF YOU DON'T USE IT WITHIN THE YEAR. BUT OF COURSE, TDA A IS ALWAYS OUR MOST PREFERRED LAST DOLLAR INSOURCE BECAUSE THAT FUNDING CAN ROLL OVER. SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE DON'T USE ALL OF OUR TDA FUNDING, IT DOES STAY IN THE POT THAT'S MANAGED BY, UM, SCTA. YEAH, I JUST, UM, HAD A CURIOSITY ABOUT, UH, COUNTY MANAGEMENT, UM, AND THE, THE COUNTY TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITIES HAVE, UH, THEIR ROLE IN MANAGING THE FUNDS AND, BUT IF IT'S FORMULA, IF IT'S NON-COMPETITIVE AND FORMULA BASED, THAT'S, UM, I THINK THAT TAKES CARE OF MY CONCERNS. UM, SO, UH, YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. OKAY, DAVE, SEVERAL QUESTIONS. MAYBE NOT SO MUCH ABOUT T-D-A-S-T-A, BUT MAYBE BIGGER PICTURE. IT WAS HARD TO MISS THE FACT THAT BOTH OF THE ALLOCATIONS [00:20:01] WERE DOWN THIS YEAR, BOTH THE LC TOP AND THIS ONE. AND VERY HONESTLY, WE HAVE SOME NATIONAL ECONOMIC TURMOIL. WHAT ARE EXPECTATIONS FOR NEXT YEAR AND SHOULD WE BE MAKING ANY CONTINGENCY PLANS IF THE DOWNWARD TREND CONTINUES? SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEING MONITORED CLOSELY NATIONALLY AND ON THE REGIONAL LEVEL. OF COURSE, EVERY TRANSIT AGENCY THAT I'VE HEARD OF IN THE REGION HAS VARIOUS LEVELS OF FISCAL CONCERNS WITH SOME AGENCIES THAT ARE THE LARGER ONES, ESPECIALLY, THEY'VE GOT A LARGER, WHAT'S KNOWN AS FISCAL CLIFF. OFTEN THOSE ARE AGENCIES THAT HIGH HAD A HIGHER FAIR BOX RECOVERY RATIO. A GREAT THING WHEN TIMES ARE GOOD, NOT SO GREAT WHEN YOU KNOW BAD TIMES HIT BECAUSE A LOT OF THAT REVENUE GOES AWAY IN A LOT OF YOUR FUNDING SOURCE. MM-HMM . AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING RIGHT NOW IS ARE ALL THE AGENCIES IS REVIEWING THEIR FUNDING SURPLUSES. YOU KNOW, WE OF COURSE ALWAYS KEEP AT LEAST A SIX MONTH OPERATING FUNDING SURPLUS AS IS ATTACK POLICY WE'VE HAD FOR SEVERAL YEARS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN COVER THOSE CHANGES AND WEATHER THE STORM. BUT YEAH, I WOULD SAY THOSE ARE CONCERNS FOR TRANSIT AGENCIES REGIONALLY, BECAUSE TDA FUNDS HAVE BEEN DOWN FOR SEVERAL QUARTERS. UM, I DON'T KNOW CAMIA, IF YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW THE LATEST PROJECTIONS, I KNOW THEY'VE ISSUED THEM RECENTLY. I THINK THEY WERE CLASS, THEY WERE ALSO TDA AND STA WERE ALSO DOWN FROM FY 25, THE ONE THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY IN. AND THE PROJECTIONS FOR FY 26, UM, A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN FROM FY 24 TO 25. WHEN I WAS DOING THE MATH, I DON'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT IT WAS SOMETHING OF LIKE, ONE WAS IN THE TENS AND ONE WAS UNDER THE TENS. UM, HOWEVER, BECAUSE OF GO SONOMA MEASURE M IS IS EXPECTED TO BE MUCH LARGER THAN THE PREVIOUS YEARS. NOT ENOUGH TO COVER THE DIFFERENCE IN POTENTIALLY TDA. UM, BUT THAT'S ALSO SOME CHANGES. SO YEAH, SO THOSE FUNDING SOURCES ARE DOWN AND OF COURSE THERE'S A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY RIGHT NOW ECONOMICALLY. THOSE ASSUMPTIONS ARE BASED ON GENERALLY KIND OF A STATUS QUO SITUATION WITHOUT MAJOR FLUCTUATIONS, WHICH COULD REALLY OCCUR AT ANY MOMENT THESE DAYS. I THINK IT WAS A GREAT POINT THAT CAN BE MADE THERE WITH THE GO SONOMA, UH, TAX ITEM. OF COURSE WE'VE BEEN COLLECTING MEASURE M, WHICH IS THE QUARTER, SENT SONOMA COUNTY TRANSPORTATION SALES TAX FOR A WHILE, BUT THAT WAS RENEWED A FEW YEARS AGO. AND IN THAT RENEWAL THAT OF COURSE INCREASED THE ALLOCATION PROVIDED TO TRANSIT. SO WE GO FROM 13 TO 21%, INCLUDING MONEY FOR PAST PROGRAMS. NOW THAT MONEY WAS INTENDED TO BE AN EXPANSION OF TRANSIT SERVICE AND UNFORTUNATELY, GIVEN THAT FISCAL SITUATION OF ALL THE AGENCIES, IT'S REALLY MORE OF A BACKFILL AT THIS POINT, PREVENTING CUTS DUE TO THE FACT THAT COSTS ARE GOING UP AND REVENUES ARE KIND OF DECREASING FOR THE MOMENT. SO I WOULD SAY, YEAH, IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE AWARE OF, SOMETHING WE'RE MONITORING AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT TRANSIT AGENCIES ARE HAVING A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON WITH SOME LEVEL OF KIND OF OKAY. PRELIMINARY CONCERN. YEAH, I, I GUESS A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS. ONE, IT'S GREAT THAT YOU'RE COORDINATING WITH OTHER TRANS AGENCIES, SO WE KEEP UP TO DATE WITH WHAT THE WHOLE WORLD IS THINKING. IF YOU COULD KEEP US ADVISED AS YOU LEARN MORE, THAT'D BE APPRECIATED. AND I GUESS JUST A A POINT OF INTEREST, WE'RE LUCKY SO MUCH OF OUR OPERATING FUNDS COME FROM THE STATE WHO AT THIS POINT SEEMS MORE STABLE THAN THE NATIONAL GOVERNMENT. BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT THE 53 0 7 ET CETERA FUNDS ARE AFFECTED OUR CAPITAL NAVY CHALLENGE IN THE FUTURE AND AGAIN, SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE AWARE OF. MOVING ON TO A DIFFERENT QUESTION, I NOTICED THAT THE, UM, T-D-A-S-T-A DESCRIPTION TALKS ABOUT THE ALLOCATIONS TO GOLDEN GATE TRANSIT AND SCT. I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN SOME ONGOING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT OPENING AND REVISING THAT CONTRACT. ANY UPDATES YOU CAN SHARE? YEAH, SO THAT'S BEEN A PART OF THE DISCUSSION WE'VE BEEN HAVING FOR OVER A YEAR. SO THE MASCOT STUDY, AS YOU MAY RECALL, WE'VE RECEIVED A UPDATE PRESENTATION ON THAT. WE'RE ACTUALLY HOPING TO BRING A PRESENTATION UPDATE BACK IN APPROXIMATELY MAY SO PEOPLE CAN SEE THE LATEST WITH THAT. BUT THAT'S DISCUSSING A LOT OF THOSE VARIOUS KIND OF TOPICS THUS FAR. WE ARE WRESTLING MOSTLY WITH THE FY 26 TDA CLAIM, WHICH HAD A FEW CHANGES THAT, UM, COUNTY LEVEL SETA COORDINATE CLAIM. I MENTIONED THERE WAS A FEW CHANGES FOR FY 26 AND THE ONE THAT WAS APPROVED, BUT REALLY AN FY 27 AND BEYOND, THAT'S WHEN YOU WOULD POTENTIALLY SEE LARGER CHANGES WITH IT. AND THE ENTIRE INTENT OF MASCOTS IS TO LOOK AT THE PROVISION OF SERVICE ALONG THE 1 0 1 CORRIDOR, THE INNER CITY, THE REGIONAL SERVICE, WHAT DOES THE SERVICE LOOK LIKE, WHO IS PROVIDING IT, AND THEN HOW IS THE FUNDING TIED TO IT? AND SO I THINK THAT'S THE NEXT STEP IN THAT DISCUSSION IS BRING IT TO THE COMMITTEE'S BOARDS SO THEY CAN WEIGH IN AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK. AND THEN THAT WOULD BE A PRECURSOR TO A LARGER PUBLIC EFFORT OF WHICH WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT NOW FOR OUTREACH. THAT WOULD TAKE ABOUT FOUR OR SO MONTHS. ONCE WE HAVE SOME PRELIMINARY [00:25:01] FINDINGS, ONCE WE HAVE GUIDANCE FROM THOSE TYPE OF BOARDS ON WHAT SCENARIOS WANT TO BE LOOKED AT, BROUGHT FORTH TO THE PUBLIC, ALONG WITH KIND OF FINANCIAL PROJECTIONS, THEN WE WOULD GET THAT KIND OF MORE ROBUST PUBLIC INPUT PROCESS OF WHICH WE'VE HAD SEVERAL, UM, DISCUSSIONS ON AND MORE TO COME IN THE FUTURE. MM-HMM . SO I WOULD SAY THAT'S THE BIGGEST, MOST CONSEQUENTIAL ONE. THERE ARE ALSO OTHER STATE LEVEL TRANSIT FUNDING BILLS BEING DISCUSSED, ALL IN THE VERY PRELIMINARY STAGES RIGHT NOW. AND THEY CHANGE REALLY QUICKLY WEEK TO WEEK, ALMOST DAY TO DAY. SO WE'LL PROVIDE UPDATES ON THOSE ITEMS. THE MOST RECENT, I BELIEVE IS A FIVE OR EITHER SIX COUNTY POTENTIAL REGIONAL TRANSIT MEASURE OF WHICH SONOMA COUNTY IS NOT CURRENTLY ONE OF THOSE COUNTIES. BUT THAT'S THE TYPE OF THING BEING DISCUSSED, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE BIGGER AGENCIES FACING A FISCAL CLIFF, AS I MENTIONED. MM-HMM . SO A LOT OF MOVING PIECES AT THE MOMENT. OKAY. AND THEN MORE OF A MUNDANE QUESTION. YOU AND I WERE TALKING RECENTLY, AND I LEARNED FOR THE FIRST TIME, HADN'T REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT IT, THAT A LOT OF OUR 53 0 7 FUNDS, WHICH I THINK IS WHAT IS PAYING FOR THE ELECTRIC BUSES THAT ARE COMING, ARE REIMBURSEMENT FUNDS. MEANING WE PAY FOR THE BUSES AND THEN GET REIMBURSED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR THAT COST. HOW DO WE ACCOMMODATE THAT CASH FLOW? IS THAT JUST PLANNED INTO OUR ANNUAL BUDGET? YES, GENERALLY. I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BUILT INTO THE ANNUAL CITY BUDGET, OF COURSE. MM-HMM . WE'VE NEVER HAD ISSUES IN THE PAST, YOU KNOW, KNOCK ON WOOD, I'M GETTING THOSE FUNDS. ONCE YOU HAVE AN EXECUTED CONTRACT WITH AN AGENCY LIKE THE FTA, THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN THOUGHT TO BE, YOU KNOW, ROCK SOLID. SO GENERALLY WHAT YOU DO IS YOU HAVE A CONTRACT AND THEN YOU'RE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PURCHASE, GET IT APPROVED IN THE CITY BUDGET PROCESS. 'CAUSE THERE'S BEEN ENOUGH CONFIDENCE THOSE FUNDS WILL BE THERE ONCE YOU PURCHASE IT, ONCE YOU SUBMIT FOR REIMBURSEMENT THROUGH THE FEDERAL KIND OF FUNDING SYSTEM, THAT THOSE FUNDS WILL COME BACK. NOW THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S POTENTIALLY ALSO A BIT IN FLUX. WE'VE NOT HEARD TO DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT FROM LIKE FTA, WE'VE NOT HEARD ANY GRANTS ARE NOT BEING HONORED, ESPECIALLY ONES THAT ARE CURRENTLY CONTRACTED. BUT IT IS A QUESTION THAT YOU'RE HEARING MORE AND MORE IS WHAT DOES THAT SCENARIO LOOK LIKE? WELL, AND, AND, AND I ACTUALLY WAS NOT TRYING TO ASK THE QUESTION OF WILL WE BE REIMBURSED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT? I WAS ASKING MORE, THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT QUESTION. I JUST DIDN'T WANNA BRING IT UP. UH, I WAS ASKING JUST MORE THE QUESTION OF WHEN WE PAY 1.8 MILLION FOR THOSE BUSES AND HAVE A MONTH OR TWO MONTHS WAITING FOR THE REIMBURSEMENT TO COME FROM THE FEDS OUT OF WHOSE ACCOUNTS IS THAT, HAS THAT 1.8 MILLION COME, IS IT THE CITY GENERAL FUND, OR DOES IT COME OUT OF OUR BUDGET? WELL, TRANSIT HAS ITS OWN BUDGET, WHICH IS PART OF THE LARGER CITY ONE. GENERALLY WHAT'S DONE IS IF IT'S NOT RECONCILED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, IT'S RECONCILED BY YEAR, FISCAL, FISCAL YEAR END PERIOD. AND SO THAT'S WHEN TRANSIT HAS TO IN EFFECT, MAKE DUE WITH ALL THE MONEY THAT IT HAD IN THE BUDGET. ALL THE REVENUES NEED TO BE IN OTHERWISE TRANSIT NEEDS TO GO THROUGH AND BACKFILL. FORTUNATELY, WE SHOULD HAVE A GOOD AMOUNT OF TIME IF ON THE UNCERTAINTY WITH THESE PURCHASES OCCUR BECAUSE WE'RE ANTICIPATING RECEIVING THESE BUSES LAST WEEK OF MAY, FIRST WEEK OF JUNE. AND I DON'T THINK THE INVOICES WOULD BE PAID BEFORE JULY 1ST. AND SO WE WOULD HAVE THE FISCAL YEAR A BIT MORE TIME TO SORT THROUGH THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. BUT, BUT WE NEED, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE $1.8 MILLION SITTING IN THE BANK TO PAY FOR THOSE BUSES THE DAY THEY ARRIVE. CORRECT. OKAY. AND THEN WE JUST HOPE IT COMES BACK. CORRECT. OKAY. THAT'S I'S SORT OF SORT OF THOUGHT I JUST WANT, WE HAD NEVER REALLY TALKED THROUGH THAT, SO THANK YOU. YEAH, I, IT'S A LARGER DISCUSSION OVERALL OF KIND OF FEDERAL FUNDS. UM, AGAIN, WE'VE NEVER HAD AN ISSUE IN THE PAST, BUT RELEVANT DISCUSSION THESE DAYS. THANKS. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMITTEE COMMENTS ON THIS RESOLUTION? YEAH, JUST, UM, A LOT OF THE TIMES, UM, WHEN I'M TALKING TO FOLKS ABOUT WHERE WE GET, YOU KNOW, MONEY AND FUNDING FROM THE CITY, UM, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU KNOW THIS AS A GRANT, UM, I ALWAYS WANNA LET PEOPLE KNOW HOW WE'RE GETTING THAT AND, YOU KNOW, THE QUALIFICATIONS THAT WE'RE SEEING THAT, AND I KNOW THAT YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT IT WAS BASED ON POPULATION, BUT I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF THERE WERE OTHER, YOU KNOW, FACTORS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN TERMS OF DEMOGRAPHICS OR INCOMES OF, OF HOUSEHOLDS OR STUFF LIKE THAT. SO THE MAIN FACTORS THAT IMPACT THESE FUNDS, THE FORMULA FUNDS WITH THAT KIND OF COUNTY LEVEL BLOCK GRANT, ITS POPULATION, ITS REVENUE HOURS, ITS NUMBER OF TRANSIT BOARDINGS AND TRIPS. SO THOSE ARE THE MAIN FACTORS DOING IT. THERE'S NOT REALLY A COMMUNITY DEMOGRAPHIC COMPONENT WITH THESE PARTICULAR FUNDS THAT'S DETERMINED FOR THE FORMULATION. UH, THE FORMULAS OVERALL GET DISCUSSED EVERY SEVERAL YEARS. LIKE I SAID, THE LARGER KIND OF APPROACH TO THEM, WE LAST DISCUSSED 'EM I THINK THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO. SO SINCE THEN THE FORMULAS HAVE GENERALLY BEEN KIND OF SET AND LOCKED IN. BUT THERE'S ALWAYS, I WOULD SAY OTHER POTENTIAL GOING FORWARD TO TAKE MORE OF THOSE THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION IF THERE'S A CONSENSUS FROM ALL THE DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS. YOU KNOW, NOT JUST PETALUMA, BUT SONOMA COUNTY, [00:30:01] SANTA ROSA, ET CETERA. GOT IT. THANK YOU. YEP. FRANK. YEAH, SO I WAS, UM, READING THROUGH THE NUMBERS, JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE FINANCIAL IMPACT. UM, HOW DOES IT LINE UP WITH WHAT OUR EXPECTATIONS WERE? AND I GUESS ULTIMATELY WHAT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT IS, UH, IS THERE ANY KINDA SHORTFALL FROM A OPERATING BUDGET OR CAPITAL BUDGET THAT THE CITY'S GONNA NEED TO HAVE TO MAKE UP FROM A, UH, YOU KNOW, FROM THE GENERAL FUNDS? DO YOU RECALL THE, UM, ACTUAL RETURNS FOR US TO PROJECTED HOW THEY CAME IN PERCENTAGE WISE? I DON'T HAVE THAT INFO HANDY. USUALLY WHAT THEY DO IS THEY'LL TELL YOU IN ADVANCE, THEY'LL GIVE YOU NUMBERS LIKE, BASED ON OUR REGIONAL PROJECTIONS, HERE'S HOW MUCH YOU HAVE IN STA FUNDS TDA. BUT THEN AS IT COMES IN THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, THEY'D HAVE THE ACTUALS, WHICH ARE NEVER EXACTLY THE SAME. SOME OF THE TIME IT'S LOWER, SOME OF THE TIME IT'S HIGHER. IF IT COMES IN LOWER, THEN YOU HAVE POTENTIALLY WHAT'S CALLED A RESCISSION TO WHERE THEY CLAW BACK SOME OF THOSE FUNDS. THAT'S BEEN SOMETHING THAT'S VERY RARE AND I THINK THEY'RE DOING VERY MINOR ONES THIS YEAR. UM, I DON'T, I CAN GIVE YOU THE EXACT NUMBER PERCENT I DON'T HAVE IN HANDY. UH, WE'RE GOING THROUGH UPDATING THE 10 YEAR FINANCIAL BUDGET RIGHT NOW. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS KAMI IS, UH, LOOKING AT. DEFINITELY NOTHING THAT'S A CONCERN FOR FY 25 OR FY 26. I THINK WE'LL HAVE MORE CLARITY ON THAT IN A MONTH OR SO BASED ON PROJECTIONS OF OUR FISCAL SITUATION. AND THEN REALLY TYING INTO THE NEW SERVICE CONTRACT WE HAVE, BECAUSE THAT'S OF COURSE OUR BIGGEST SERVICE EXPENSE IS THAT OPERATION CONTRACT WITH MV. AND SO IT'S A QUESTION OF BASED ON WHICHEVER VENDOR WE WANNA AWARD THAT TO AND WHATEVER COST INCREASE WILL BE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, 'CAUSE THERE WILL BE SOME INCREASE. IT'S A QUESTION OF HOW MUCH THAT THEN INTERPLAYS WITH YOUR REVENUE PROJECTIONS AND OTHER COSTS, UM, EXPENSE ESTIMATIONS OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS OR SO TO SEE HOW YOU LOOK OVER THAT LONG-TERM FISCAL OUTLOOK. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL BE LOOKING AT MORE CLOSELY BRINGING BACK TO THIS GROUP. AND THEN ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE DISCUSSING WITH THE AD HOC GROUP, THAT'S PART OF THE TRANSIT OPERATION SELECTION OF WHICH, UM, CHAIR ABRAMS AND A COMMITTEE MEMBER ALDEN ARE ON. THAT'LL BE A BIG PIECE OF THE DISCUSSION THERE, ESPECIALLY IS WHO DO WE POTENTIALLY AWARD THE CONTRACT TO? AND THEN WHAT IS THE COST OUTLAY OF THAT GIVEN THE INCREASES AGAIN, OF THAT CONTRACT VERSUS THE REVENUE PROJECTIONS WE HAVE. YEAH, VERY GOOD. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, SURE. THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO SURPRISES, YOU KNOW, THAT, UH, AGAIN, LOVE SUPPORTING LUMA GO AND, UM, AND, AND YOU KNOW, THE GREAT THINGS, THE, THE FAIR FREE, UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE PROGRAMS I, UM, FULLY SUPPORT, BUT I JUST, YOU KNOW, DON'T WANT TO HAVE A BIG SURPRISE THAT IT'S A SHORTFALL AND NOW THE CITY'S GONNA HAVE TO SHELL OUT, YOU KNOW, A BUNCH OF MORE MONEY THAN WE ALREADY EXPECTED. AND YEAH, I WOULD SAY NOTHING LIKE THAT IS, UM, EXPECTED. OF COURSE, WHEN THE CITY DOES ITS BUDGET PROCESS, AS FOR TRANSIT'S A VERY CONSERVATIVE EXERCISE WITH HOW MUCH YOU'RE SPENDING VERSUS THE REVENUE COMING IN. AND LIKE WE MENTIONED BEFORE, WITH TRANSIT ESPECIALLY, WE ALWAYS KEEP THAT SIX MONTH OPERATING BUFFER. SO WORST CASE SCENARIO, YOU'RE DIPPING INTO THAT A BIT. YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO, YOU DON'T WANT TO GO BELOW SIX MONTHS. BUT I THINK WHEN WE WERE LAST LOOKING AT THAT, THAT WAS LIKE OVER NINE MONTHS WORTH OF SURPLUS. WE'RE KIND OF FINALIZING THAT NOW. SO THAT'S THEREFORE A REASON TO AVOID THESE TYPE OF SCENARIOS TO WHERE WE JUST CAN'T COVER THOSE EXPENSES AND WOULD ASK FOR THOSE FUNDS. THAT'S SOMETHING WE DON'T ANTICIPATE. THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED PREVIOUSLY. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMITTEE? ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMITTEE COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS RESOLUTION? SALUTE. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL RIGHT. SO, UM, FRED MOTION AND HELEN SECONDED. MM-HMM . UM, AARON, WOULD YOU PLEASE TAKE THE ROLE? ABRAMS? YES. ALDEN? YES. RO, YES. HILL? YES. QUINT? YES. TAR? YES. VASQUEZ IS A YES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, SO NOW, UM, WE OPEN [COMMITTEE COMMENT] THE MEETING TO OUR COMMITTEE COMMENT. UM, SO IF WE CAN START WITH YOU, MR. ALDEN, NOTHING TO OFFER TODAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. [00:35:01] GOING DOWN THE ROW. UM, MR. TAR? YES, I, I HAVE SOME MORE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE ANSWERS TO ANYTHING, BUT, UH, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE, I NOTICED THAT WE HAVE THE, UM, PARA TRANSIT COUNTYWIDE THAT'S IN THE CITY EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE. MY ASSUMPTION IS THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE COUNTY AND THEY HAVE TO COME THROUGH, HAVE A LIMIT, DO WE HAVE ANY AGREEMENT WITH OTHER PORTIONS OF CITIES IN THE COUNTY WHERE WE WOULD PROVIDE PARA TRANSIT SERVICES FOR THEM OR VICE VERSA IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY HAD TO GET TO IN SANTA ROSA FROM HERE? HOW DOES THAT WORK? YEAH, SURE. UH, MARIA, DO YOU MIND IF I PASS THAT ONE TO YOU? NO PROBLEM. I LOVE TALKING ABOUT PARATRANSIT. UM, SO WE DO NOT ACTUALLY KIND OF THE OPPOSITE. SO THE QUESTION IS, ARE WE DOING ANY OF THE TRIPS? WE ONLY DO TRIPS FOR PARATRANSIT WITHIN PETALUMA, BUT SONOMA COUNTY TRANSIT WILL TRANSPORT FOLKS FROM PETALUMA INTO THE SONOMA COUNTY. AND SO WHAT'S REALLY NICE FOR OUR PASSENGERS IS TYPICALLY IF THEY'RE GOING TO SAN FRANCISCO, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO RIDE WITH US, THEN HAVE A TRANSFER TRIP AT THE LIBRARY, CHANGING VEHICLES, WHICH CAN BE CUMBERSOME FOR SOMEBODY WITH PEER IN PARA TRANSIT. SO IT'S GREATEST SONOMA COUNTY TRANSIT HAS SAID, HEY, WE WILL, WE'LL PICK THEM UP. SO IF THEY'RE GOING IN ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE COUNTY, THEY'RE JUST GONNA DO WHAT WE CALL ONE SEAT RIDE, UM, FOR THAT. BUT WE DON'T RECIPROCATE TAKING ANYONE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS. BUT IF THEY WERE GOING OUTSIDE THE COUNTY, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET ANOTHER TRANSPORTATION. WELL, WE WOULD STILL ASSIST THEM. SO IF THEY'RE OUR CLIENT, THEY RESIDE HERE, WHAT WE WOULD DO IS THEY WOULD CALL US AND THEN WE WOULD FIND THE APPROPRIATE TRANSFER POINTS, MAKE ALL THOSE ARRANGEMENTS FOR THEM, UM, AND PICK THEM UP AND BEGIN THAT PROCESS. OKAY. SO YEAH. YEAH, NO PROBLEM. AND OF COURSE, IF YOU'RE GOING SOMEWHERE, SAY SOUTH OF SONOMA COUNTY, LIKE IN THE MARIN, YOU ARE WITHIN GOLDEN GATE TRANSIT SERVICE AREA. AND SO THAT WOULD BE A ONE SEAT RIDE FROM LIKE PETALUMA DOWN TO MARIN. AS LONG AS YOU'RE WITHIN THEIR SERVICE AREA WITHIN PETALUMA, YOU CAN ULTIMATELY GET ANYWHERE IN PARATRANSIT IN THE WHOLE REGION COVERED BY TRANSIT. YOU WOULD JUST HAVE TO POTENTIALLY HAVE TRANSFERS DEPENDING ON HOW FAR YOU GO. THAT'S, UH, THAT'S GREAT, THANK YOU. UM, I HAVE ONE OTHER, IF I CAN FIND WHAT I PUT WRITTEN DOWN. UH, OH, I, THIS IS, THIS IS A ANOTHER, JUST THROW IT OUT THERE. UM, GIVEN THE FACT THAT, UH, ELECTRIC BUSES WOULD REQUIRE MUCH LESS MAINTENANCE THAN A DIESEL RUN, I ASSUME THEY WOULD ELECTRICITY AND LESS PARTS. ARE THERE, ARE THERE SAVINGS THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT WILL ALSO COME FROM GOING INTO ELECTRIC BUSES FROM A DIESEL RUN BUSES? AS FAR AS MAINTENANCE, HONESTLY, UM, THERE'S LESS THAN I THINK PEOPLE ASSUME. OH, IN THEORY WITH ELECTRIC VEHICLES, THE THOUGHT IS LESS PARTS, LESS MAINTENANCE, LOWER COSTS. ONE OF THE MOST INTERESTING PIECES TO READ ON THIS IS AC TRANSIT DOWN IN OAKLAND, ALAMEDA COUNTY, THEY'VE DONE A STUDY AND THEY PUT OUT FOUR VERSIONS OF IT TO WHERE THEY COMPARED ALL DIFFERENT BUS TYPES TO GIVE IT LIKE AN APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON. SO FOR EXAMPLE, THEY BOUGHT BRAND NEW BUSES THAT WERE BATTERY ELECTRIC, THAT WERE HYDROGEN FUEL CELL FROM THE SAME MANUFACTURER, AND THEY RAN THEM ON THE SAME PIECES AS THEY DID THEIR DIESEL BUSES. AND THEY COMPARED OPERATING COSTS AMONGST THE MODES. THEY COMPARED AVAILABILITY AND VEHICLE DOWNTIME. AND REALLY THERE WAS LESS DIFFERENCE OF THOSE THAN YOU WOULD KIND OF ASSUME. UH, REALLY THE ELECTRIC BUSES WERE DOWN PRETTY MUCH AS MUCH AS THE DIESEL ONES, I THINK, ALTHOUGH IN THEORY THERE'S KIND OF LESS PARTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO KIND OF GO BAD WITH 'EM. THE TECHNOLOGY'S ALSO NOT QUITE AS MATURE. YOU KNOW, ELECTRIC VEHICLES HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE, BUT NOT THE MOST RECENT GENERATIONS OF THEM. WHEREAS FOR BETTER OR WORSE DIESEL BUSES AND TNG, THEY'D KIND OF GOTTEN THE TECHNOLOGY PRETTY FAR ALONG OVER THE PAST A HUNDRED YEARS. SO THEY ARE PRETTY RELIABLE BY THIS POINT. AND SO UNFORTUNATELY THERE'S NOT AS MUCH OF THOSE KIND OF MAINTENANCE SAVINGS AS YOU WOULD EXPECT. BUT I WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GO THROUGH AND FIND THAT STUDY AND WE CAN SEND THAT AROUND. WE'LL SEND IT TO THE COMMITTEE. UM, IT'S ALSO AN AC TRANSIT WEBSITE, BUT THAT MAKES FOR A GREAT READ THAT GETS SEVERAL OF THOSE POINTS. I'LL TRY TO KEEP COMING UP WITH THESE QUESTIONS. , PLEASE DO HERE. THANK YOU . MS I HAVE A COMMENT ABOUT THEM AGO, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF I SHOULD SAVE IT UNTIL THE NEXT GO FOR IT. YEAH, YOU CAN DO IT NOW. WHY NOT? ALRIGHT, SO A FEW WEEKS AGO, THE CITY COUNCIL, UH, HAD A MEETING ABOUT, UM, A REPORT, A STUDY [00:40:01] ON PARKING IN THE CITY. AND I WAS HERE. UH, AND, UM, THE RELEVANT PART OF THAT FOR THIS COMMITTEE WAS, UM, UH, PEOPLE WHO WERE COMMENTING ABOUT LUMA GO. AND IN GENERAL, AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF ENTHUSIASM, BUT PEOPLE ARE ALSO HAVING IDEAS ABOUT USES FOR LUMA GO THAT MAY NOT BE THE INTENDED USE FOR LUMA GO. UM, PEOPLE HAD IDEAS OBVIOUSLY ABOUT EXPANDING THE SERVICE AREA, SO WE ALL KNOW ABOUT THAT, BUT ALSO ABOUT, UM, HAVING SCHEDULED SHUTTLES FROM, UM, COMMON PARKING AREAS TO, I AM NOT SURE WHERE, BUT ASSUME AT, AT LEAST TO DOWNTOWN. UM, AND I KNOW THAT THIS HAD NOT NECESSARILY BEEN AN INTENDED USE FOR LUMA GO, BUT THESE ARE ONE OF THE THINGS, THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE ARE, ARE THINKING ABOUT IT. AND OVERALL, UM, I AM SEEING THAT PEOPLE ARE SEEING LUMA GO AS A SUBSTITUTE FOR FIXED ROUTE AND NOT AS AN ALTERNATIVE FOR FIXED ROUTE. UM, THERE WAS ONE COMMENTER WHO MENTIONED THAT FIXED ROUTE WAS SIMPLY TOO SLOW AND THAT SHE WAS NOT INCLINED, UH, TO USE IT, BUT SHE WAS VERY KEEN ON LUMA GO. SO I THINK THAT THIS IS SOMETHING REALLY TO KEEP IN MIND AS WE SEE THAT THIS SERVICE IS VERY POPULAR, BUT PEOPLE WE'VE DISCUSSED IN THE PAST THAT THERE'S AN INTENTION TO GET PEOPLE TO SEE FIXED DROUGHT AS A, AS AN OPTION. AND I'M NOT SURE PEOPLE ARE GOING IN THAT DIRECTION. INSTEAD, THEY'RE SEEING LUMEN GO AS EXPANDING AND, UM, ARE NOT CONSIDERING FIXED DROUGHT. UH, SO I THINK THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE, UH, AN ISSUE GOING FORWARD, UM, AS WE, UH, DO EXPAND THE SERVICE FOR LUMA GO. UM, AND I HAD JUST THOUGHT THAT PERHAPS, UH, THERE COULD BE SOMETHING IN USING THE FIXED BUS, THE FIXED ROUTE BUSES, SOMETHING LIKE AN EXPRESS BUS THAT GOES FROM LIKE THEIR FARTHER REACHES OF PETALUMA AT CERTAIN TIMES OF THE DAY TO TRY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THAT, THAT IT TAKES TOO LONG ISSUE FOR PEOPLE. UM, AND MAYBE THAT IS A USE FOR SOME OF THE FIXED ROUTE BUSES. UM, IF WE DON'T WANT, AND I, I KNOW THIS IS NOT THE INTENTION FOR LUMA GO TO BE A SUBSTITUTE FOR FIXED ROUTE. AND SO I THINK THERE'S JUST A, UM, A A SOMETHING OF A, YOU KNOW, A POTENTIAL PROBLEM THAT PEOPLE MIGHT BE PURSUING PERCEIVING LUMA, GO, UH, AS A SUBSTITUTE, I'LL, I CAN IT KIND OF WEIRD. ALL RIGHT. I CAN SPEAK TO THAT BRIEFLY. I, I, I THINK IT'S A VERY STRONG CONCERN. I THINK IT'S, IT IS A CONCERN. UM, BUT I WOULD SAY WE WERE FULLY AWARE GOING INTO THIS THAT THIS WOULD BE AN ISSUE. UM, AND SO FOR EXAMPLE, YOU'RE NOT GETTING A LOT OF MORE LUMA GO UPDATES EXCEPT FOR RIDERSHIP. WE'RE NOT DOING ANY MORE KIND OF PROMOTIONAL THINGS. AND IT, IT IS TRICKY BECAUSE WE OFTENTIMES HAVE TO SAY KIND OF NOT A NO, BUT KIND OF ABOUT LUMA GO EXPANSION, RIGHT? BECAUSE EVERYBODY WANTS IT EXPANDED YESTERDAY AND WE'VE HAD TO RELEASE TO BE STRONG AND SAY, THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN RIGHT NOW. RIGHT? WE MAY ANNOUNCE AS SOON AS OCTOBER, BUT THAT'S IT. UM, AND SO WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW FOR, FOR OUR TEAM IS WORKING ON THE SCHEDULE BECAUSE THE SCHEDULE IS PRETTY OUT OF DATE IN TERMS OF THE WAY IT LOOKS AND THE WAY IT FEELS. SO WE'RE WORKING ON THAT, GETTING THE ELECTRIC BUSES AND THE VAN HOS THAT WE'RE REBRANDING SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY INPUT IN THAT LUMA GO APP, HEY, YOU THINK IT TAKES LONGER ON FIXED ROUTE, BUT WE'RE GONNA PRESENT TO YOU YOUR FIXED ROUTE OPTION. SO IT, I THINK WHAT, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT GOING INTO HOW THE SAUSAGE IS MADE SO MUCH, THERE WAS A BIG PUSH IN TERMS OF HAVING MICROT TRANSIT AND FAIR FREE. SO THAT WAS THE FOCUS, AND NOW WE'RE REALLY GETTING TO SHIFT GEARS INTO FOCUSING BACK ON FIXED ROUTE. BUT IT'S NOT ON THE STREET IN THE WAY PEOPLE WANT IT RIGHT NOW, BUT WE'RE GETTING THERE IS WHAT I WOULD SAY. AND WE'RE NOT, I DON'T BELIEVE , WE'RE GONNA BE GIVING THEM LUMA GO BEFORE THAT ANY MORE LUMA GO. SO CONTINUING TO USE IT. AND THAT ISN'T ALWAYS POPULAR, RIGHT? BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT IT AND THEY WANT IT NOW. AND IT SOUNDS GREAT, BUT I THINK YOU ARE ALL VERY WELL VERSED THAT THAT IS NOT THE BEST SOLUTION RIGHT NOW. SO AGAIN, SOME OF THE THINGS WE'RE DOING IN ORDER TO SWEETEN THE POT OF FIXED ROUTE ARE, AND YOU DON'T SEE IT NOW BECAUSE IT'S NOT THERE YET, BUT WE'RE WORKING AS THE SCHEDULE A NEW WEBSITE [00:45:01] ADDED FREQUENCY ON ROUTE TWO AND 11, SO THAT THOSE MAIN MAJOR MATERIALS RIGHT, ARE GOING REALLY QUICKLY AND THEN OF COURSE MORE, UM, TRAVEL TRAINING AND OUTREACH FOR THAT. UM, BUT YES, I'VE HEARD MANY PEOPLE MAKE LUMA GO DO AMAZING THINGS, BELIEVE IT OR NOT. I GUESS IT EVEN GOES TO HEALDSBURG. I'VE HEARD IT GOES ALL LIKE, NO, NO . BUT THAT'S THE THING. I THINK PEOPLE WANT IT AND THEY UNDERSTAND IT. UM, SO I APPRECIATE, WE APPRECIATE THE COMMENT AND I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE HEADED. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING I MISSED IN TERMS OF NO, I WOULD JUST SAY IT KIND OF WORKS INTO THE LARGER DISCUSSION OF THE TRANSIT NETWORK OVERALL. I MEAN, ALL THESE SERVICES ARE SERVICES THAT WE THINK ARE PART OF THE VITAL PUZZLE OF TRANSIT AND PETALUMA. YOU HAVE REPAIR, TRANSIT SERVICE, FIXED DROUGHT, UH, MICRO TRANSITS SERVICE, PERHAPS OTHER ONES IN THE FUTURE TOO. IT'S NEVER GONNA BE A ALL OR NOTHING PROPOSITION. IT'S ALWAYS GONNA BE A BALANCE OF THOSE. SO AS WE GET INTO MORE OF THE HOLISTIC KIND OF DISCUSSION OF TRANSIT THROUGHOUT THE CITY LATER THIS YEAR, I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE DISCUSSION WE'RE REALLY GONNA HONE IN ON IS HOW MUCH OF OUR RESOURCES, TIME, EFFORT DO WE PUT INTO FIXED DROUGHT VERSUS MICRO TRANSIT? WHAT'S THE RIGHT APPLICATION FOR EACH? WHERE DOES IT GO? WHAT DOES EACH DO WELL OR NOT DO WELL TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE BUILDING OUT A COMPREHENSIVE NETWORK THAT WORKS WELL TOGETHER AND ISN'T COMPETING AGAINST ONE ANOTHER AND NOT HAVING A LOT OF THOSE, UH, GOOD IMPACTS HAVE NEGATIVE ONES. SO IT ALL TIES INTO THAT LARGER DISCUSSION, I WOULD SAY. DO, DO YOU MIND IF I CHIME IN? UM, JUST, I, I THINK IT'S A GREAT QUESTION AND, AND IT, AND A GREAT CONVERSATION TO HAVE. I THINK, YOU KNOW, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ADVANTAGES, UM, FOR PETALUMA TO, YOU KNOW, BRING MORE, YOU KNOW, VITALITY DOWNTOWN, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, UH, YOU KNOW, BRING SOME HOUSING THAT'S A LITTLE CLOSER TO DOWNTOWN. UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, PROPERTY THAT'S BETWEEN DOWNTOWN, BETWEEN THE RIVER AND, AND, AND THE SMART STATION THAT WE WOULD LOVE TO, YOU KNOW, PUT SOME HOUSING IN THERE MM-HMM . AND AS WE CONTINUE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, AS WE CONTINUE TO, TO GO DOWN THAT PATH, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE IN OUR CITY IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOWS SOME, SOME OF OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LACK OF PARKING IS A, UM, IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, SHOULD PROHIBIT THAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT. AND THESE TRANSIT SOLUTIONS, I THINK ARE, ARE, UH, YOU KNOW, GREAT SOLUTIONS TO THAT ARGUMENT. AND, YOU KNOW, TO THE EXTENT THAT PEOPLE ARE USING LUMA GO, UH, INSTEAD OF FIXED ROUTE, UM, ME PERSONALLY, I'M, I'M, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO LEAVE FIXED ROUTE TO GO TO LUMA GO, BUT IF LUMA GO TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN USE IT AS A GATEWAY DRUG, UM, THEN, YOU KNOW, TO BRING MORE PEOPLE INTO PUBLIC TRANSIT, UM, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING. MM-HMM . UH, YOU KNOW, AND I, I DO AS SOMEONE THAT, THAT LIVES ON THE FAR EAST SIDE, UM, THE, THE IDEA OF TAKING THE BUS, GETTING ON THE BUS AND GOING TO THE EAST SIDE TRANSIT CENTER TO TO SWITCH ONTO ANOTHER BUS AND TO GET TO BRING THAT DOWNTOWN, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT IS ASKING A LOT. AND, AND I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE A HARD TIME, UH, CONVERTING A LOT OF PEOPLE. AND SO EVENTUALLY I'D LIKE TO SEE US FIND A WAY TO HAVE DIRECT BUS SERVICE, UM, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE THAT, YOU KNOW, A A LITTLE BIT MORE SEAMLESS. SO, YOU KNOW, THE MORE OPTIONS FOR, YOU KNOW, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING. ANYWAY, THAT'S, SO I HAVE A COMMENT. THIS IS APPROPRIATE. THANK YOU. PARDON ME, , I WANTED TO ADD ONTO THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT LUMA AGO. IS THIS AN APPROPRIATE TIME TO DO IT OR, UH, OKAY. SO, UM, UH, FRANK MENTIONED THE EAST SIDE AND UM, IT'S, UH, RIGHT NOW IT'S A , I CALL IT A LUGO DESERT. BUT, UM, I, I NOTICED THAT YOU HAVE EXPANDED THE SERVICE. UH, YOU, YOU'VE EXPANDED THE COVERAGE. I MEAN, I'VE BEEN NOTICING IT VISUALLY BECAUSE I LIVED VERY CLOSE TO THAT TRANSFER STATION AND ALSO BECAUSE I'VE, THEN I WENT TO THE MAP TO SEE WHAT LOOKED LIKE AN EXPANSION OF SERVICE. SO, UM, UH, UH, I THINK, UM, IT'D BE INTERESTING TO KNOW WHY AND HOW THAT CAME ABOUT. BUT THE OTHER THING, AND THEN TAGGING ONTO THAT IS THERE'S REFERENCE IN, UH, YOUR, YOUR, UM, FORWARD LOOKING, UM, UH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING FORWARD, UM, TO TRANSITIONING TO PERMANENT SERVICE BECAUSE IT'S A PILOT STUDY RIGHT NOW. SO I'M HOPING THAT INCLUDES INCLUDING THE EAST SIDE. UH, IF YOU MOVE TO PERMANENT SERVICE IN, IN SOME WAY, EXPANDING [00:50:01] THAT COVERAGE. AND A PIECE OF THAT ALSO THEN WOULD BE, WELL, WE KIND OF SEE THE, UH, ISSUES THAT ARE EMERGING OR THE CHALLENGES OR THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE EMERGING WITH EMERGING WITH CURRENT USERS. AND WOULD YOU EXPECT THAT KIND OF LEARNING CURVE ALSO TO, TO, TO REEMERGE AND HAVE TO RENO RENEGOTIATE THAT WHEN YOU MOVE TO A NEW POPULATION WHO CAN, WHO CAN USE THE SERVICE A, A REEDUCATION PROCESS? UM, SO I CAN SPEAK TO THAT. WE DIDN'T EXPAND SO MUCH AS MADE SOME SLIGHT ADJUSTMENTS TO THE BOUNDARY, BUT WHAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED AND NOTICED IS THAT NOW IT'S DRIVING THROUGH DIFFERENT AREAS. SO WHAT WAS HAPPENING INITIALLY IS WHERE WE DREW THE LINES, WE FOUND THAT, OH WAIT, WE, WE SHOULD HAVE JUST WENT RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET 'CAUSE OUR DRIVERS ARE GOING THERE. SO THERE WERE REALLY SLIGHT ADJUSTMENTS. UH, BUT WHAT'S NOW HAPPENING IS IT'S ALLOWING THE DRIVER TO, FOR EXAMPLE, GET ON THE FREEWAY BECAUSE, SO NOW THE DRIVERS ARE GOING SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT AREAS, SO PEOPLE ARE SEEING THE VEHICLE MORE, EVEN WHEN THEY'RE NOT IN THE SURFACE AREA. MM-HMM . MM-HMM . SO, UM, WE DIDN'T DO A BIG PUBLIC PUSH BECAUSE IT WAS SO SLIGHT. WE DIDN'T WANT PEOPLE THINKING WE'D EXPANDED WITHOUT TELLING PEOPLE, RIGHT. LIKE, BECAUSE WHEN WE GO TO EXPAND, THAT'S GONNA BE A, THAT'S GONNA BE A MUCH MORE DETAILED, AS JARED ALREADY POINTED OUT IN LONGER CONVERSATION, THAT IS NOT SOMETHING WE CAN WILLY NILLY KIND OF JUST DO. UM, AND TO YOUR POINT ABOUT EDUCATION, MOST DEFINITELY, I MEAN, WHEN IT GETS TO THAT POINT, THEY'LL, IT, I THINK THERE WILL BE A REEDUCATION, BUT FROM MY EXPERIENCE, TYPICALLY, BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY BEEN OUT THERE, PEOPLE TEACH OTHERS IT, IT'S NOT THE SAME LEARNING CURVE AS IT IS WHEN YOU FIRST PUT IT OUT. MM-HMM . BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE ALREADY CLAMORING FOR IT AND ASKING FOR IT. SO I DON'T THINK, WE'LL, WE'LL SEE NECESSARILY THAT, BUT WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO THOSE OUTREACH EFFORTS. YEAH. MM-HMM . BUT, UM, MOVING, TRANSITIONING TO PERMANENT SERVICE WOULD INCLUDE COVERING THE EAST SIDE. THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT POINT YET. I MEAN, I, I UNDERSTAND IT MEANS MORE EQUIPMENT AND MORE STAFF, BUT, UM, I, I'M JUST ASKING, I, I MEAN I WOULD SAY WE HAVEN'T FORMALLY MADE ANY DECISIONS ON IF IT'S EXPANDING AND WHERE IT GOES, THE AREA WE RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S NOT CURRENTLY SERVING, THAT WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF COMMENTS FOR, WE HEAR A LOT ON THE EAST SIDE. YEAH. YOU KNOW, THE NEW SMART STATION, SRJC CAMPUS, THOSE ARE THE AREAS THAT WE WOULD, WOULD LOOK AT THE ENTIRE CITY. BUT THOSE AREAS IN PARTICULAR MAKE A LOT OF SENSE AND WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF THE COMMENTS THROUGH THE PUBLIC PROCESS OF WHICH WE STILL CONTINUE TO RECEIVE INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC. SO YEAH, I THINK THERE'S RECOGNITION THAT THE SERVICE CURRENTLY SERVES DOWNTOWN WEST PETALUMA DOES NOT SERVE A HUGE AMOUNT OF EAST PETALUMA RIGHT NOW. MM-HMM . SO, UM, DECISIONS ABOUT COVERAGE THEN WOULD, UH, THERE WOULD, THERE WOULD BE SOME WORK TO GET TO THOSE DECISIONS. THEY WOULD BE INFORMED I'M SURE BY THE DATA THAT YOU'RE COLLECTING AND THEN PROBABLY SOME OTHER, SOME OTHER VARIABLES AS WELL. YEAH. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SUMMARIZE SOME OF THE PIECES WE TALKED ABOUT FOR MAYBE LATER THIS YEAR PROCESS? I WAS GONNA SAY, I THINK YOU, YOU KIND OF MENTIONED IT EARLIER WHERE IN TERMS OF KIND OF LOOKING AT WHAT'S THE RIGHT SERVICE FOR THE RIGHT NEEDS. SO ALTHOUGH LUMA GO WOULD BE, I'M SURE PEOPLE WOULD LOVE IT IN THE EAST SIDE, WE REALLY NEED TO EVALUATE IF THE RESOURCES SHOULD GO GO THERE OR DO WE NEED TO OFFER MORE FIXED ROUTE SERVICE, WHAT IS THAT? MM-HMM. AND SO I WOULD SAY ONE OF THE STRUGGLES RIGHT NOW THAT I FEEL WE'RE EXPERIENCED WITH LUGO IS I STILL CAN'T, THAT'S WHY WE WANNA DO THAT SURVEY. 'CAUSE I CAN'T PINPOINT THE USE CASES. IT'S STILL VERY SPORADIC. ALTHOUGH I'M LOOKING AT CARLY 'CAUSE SHE LOOKS AT THE DATA WAY MORE, BUT IT'S NOT AS IF WE HAVE THESE HUGE PATTERNS. SO IF WE HAD HUGE PATTERNS, FOR EXAMPLE, WE WOULD LOOK AT FIXED ROUTE THEN YEAH. RIGHT. WE WOULD SAY, OKAY, THERE'S A TON OF PEOPLE GOING TO KAISER OR WHEREVER, YOU KNOW, USING THIS. BUT WE ARE NOT SEEING THAT RIGHT NOW. IF ANYTHING, WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF USE CASE FOR EVENING TIMES. THAT'S PROBABLY THE ONLY CONSISTENT THING I'VE SEEN BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY SERVICE OUT FRIDAY AND SATURDAY NIGHT. SO THAT MAKES SENSE. RIGHT. UM, SO AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA BE DOING A SURVEY OF, OF WRITERS, BUT I THINK IT'S, IT'S A MUCH LARGER CONVERSATION. YEAH. AND WE'LL HAPPEN WITH THIS GROUP FOR SURE. YEAH. WE APPRECIATE THAT. YEAH, THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS THAT AREN'T A COMMENT ON OUR COMMENT? YEAH, SO JUST TO ADD TO THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT BETWEEN UM, LUMA AGO AND THEN THE FIXED ROUTES, FRANK, MYSELF, AND WE ALL LIVE ON THE EAST SIDE AND SO, YOU KNOW, OFTENTIMES THERE'S, IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE KIND OF, KIND OF A NO MAN'S LAND. LIKE, I MEAN, THERE'S NOT A LOT OUT THERE AT THE TIME. UM, AND I KNOW I'VE SAID BEFORE THAT I LIVE REALLY CLOSE TO, UM, ROUTE 24 AND IT, IT DOESN'T OPERATE ON THE WEEKENDS. AND BEING SO CLOSE TO LITTLE WOODS AND BEING SO CLOSE TO THE BAYWOOD APARTMENTS, I THINK THERE'S A OPPORTUNITY FOR FOLKS TO NOT HAVE TO USE THEIR CARS AND, AND BE ABLE TO USE IT FOR WEEKEND SERVICE. BUT, UM, JUST TO KIND OF CAP THIS OFF, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT ONCE, UM, DISCUSSING WHEN WE WANTED TO LOOK AT THE ROUTES AND REASSESS LINES AND ALL THAT STUFF. SO MAYBE THAT'S A CONVERSATION WE CAN HAVE AND NOT NECESSARILY HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT LUMA GO MAY OR MAY NOT [00:55:01] NEED TO EXPAND TO. NOT TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULDN'T LOOK AT THAT EITHER. YEAH. GREAT CONVERSATION. I AGREE. I THINK THAT'S ALL FOLDED INTO THE LARGER DISCUSSION WHERE WE'LL BE HAVING LATER THIS YEAR ON IT FOR SURE. OKAY. COURSE. UM, COULD I ADD SOMETHING? OKAY. . GOOD. UM, I HAVE, UM, KNOWLEDGE OF THE UM, CORONA STATION, BIG GRAND OPENING COMING AT, DOES ANYONE HAVE THE DATE ON THAT? IT'S MARCH SOMEWHERE DOES. ANYWAY, THE CORONA SMART STATION WAS, IS GONNA HAVE THAT. THERE WAS, IT'S NOT, IT'S OPEN. I KNOW, BUT THE TRAIL BETWEEN THAT AND ALL THE WAY TO TATI, I BELIEVE THAT THE TRAIL IS ALREADY DONE FOR MUCH OF THAT DISTANCE IS GONNA BE A SPECIAL, SPECIAL DAY OUT THERE. A I THINK IT'S APRIL 27TH, WHAT IS IT? I I THINK, UH, APRIL 27TH. OKAY. SO, AND THE CITY'S ACTUALLY DOING A LOT OF MARKETING PLANNING TO DO PROMOTIONS OF THAT RIDES FOR THAT ALL THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING DISCUSSED RIGHT NOW. OH GOOD. WILL THERE, WILL THERE BE A BUS BACK FROM PEN GROVE TO GET YOU BACK TO THE CORONA STATION IF YOU CAN'T WALK THAT WHOLE DISTANCE? NOTHING NEW PLANNED FOR THAT YET. . WOULDN'T THAT BE NICE? YES. ANYWAY. THAT, THAT WAS MY SUGGESTION. THE OTHER THING WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, THE, THE PEDA BLOOM AGO, SORRY, NOT PEDAGO, ALTHOUGH THAT SOUNDS PRETTY INTERESTING TOO. UM, THERE'S ONE THING THAT I DO AND MY WIFE DO QUITE REGULARLY IS WHEN WE'RE FORCED TO TAKE AN AIRPLANE SOMEPLACE, WE DON'T GO BY CAR, WE DON'T GO BY GROOM AS MUCH. WHATEVER THAT YEAH. THE NEWS, WE TRY TO DO IT BY PUBLIC TRANSIT AND ONE THING THAT WE DON'T HAVE, WHICH I GUESS I COULD ALWAYS CALL UBER, UH, WE DON'T HAVE A MEANS TO GET THERE FROM HOME DOWN TO THE SMART TRAINED. ONCE WE GET TO THE SMART TRAIN, WE'RE FINE. 'CAUSE YOU THEN GET TO THE, UM, THE UM, FERRY AND THEN YOU CAN GET INTO THE CITY TO GET BARKED DOWN TO THE AIRPORT. THE OTHER THING IS VERY CONVENIENT NOW, AND WE FOUND THIS OUT THE OTHER DAY. WE HAVEN'T TAKEN A PLANE OUT OF SANTA ROSA YET, BUT WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT. AND GETTING SMART UP TO AIRPORT BOULEVARD IS SIMPLE. AND THERE'S ALSO NOW A SHUTTLE FOR A DOLLAR 50 TO GET THE SHUTTLE TO THE AIRPORT. AND ALL YOU DO IS YOU CALL THE DAY AHEAD AND THEY'RE NORMALLY THERE WHEN THE, THE TRAIN COMES INTO THE STATION, BUT THEY MAY BE FILLED UP. SO ALWAYS CALL BEFORE YOU DO THAT. BUT, UM, I, I, I ENCOURAGE ANYONE WHO WANTS TO GO INTO THE CITY JUST TO GO SIGHTSEEING OR IF YOU WORK THERE, ALTHOUGH IT'S A LITTLE LONGER TRIP, IS TO USE SMART AND THE FERRY WHENEVER YOU CAN. ANYWAY, SO LET'S KEEP PUSHING PUBLIC TRANSIT. THANK YOU. UH, ONE QUICK COMMENT I COULD ADD TO THAT, THAT SERVICE YOU REFERENCED AT THE END, THAT'S CALLED SMART CONNECT. THAT'S THEIR CONNECTION IN SANTA ROSA TO THE AIRPORT THAT ACTUALLY HAS AN APP AS WELL CALLED RIDE PING GO. IF YOU DOWNLOAD THAT, YOU CAN USE IT THROUGH AN APP SIMILAR TO LUMA GO. OH YEAH. SO YOU CAN ALWAYS CALL IT A DANCE, BUT OF COURSE YOU CAN USE THE APP AS KIND OF THE BEST, MOST ADVANCED WAY TO USE IT. YOU DON'T EVEN TALK. DON'T NEED TO TALK ANYWAY, JUST , WE GOT TWO PEOPLE ARRIVING AT BED, WHATEVER. YEAH. AND THERE'S ALSO A SHUTTLE FROM THE SMART TRAIN TO THE FERRY. FROM WHAT? TO THE FERRY? YEAH, FROM BURG, THE LARKSBURG FERRY. THAT'S A INTERESTING WALK. IF YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT. IT'S ABOUT A HALF MILE, I THINK. ABOUT A MILE. YEAH. ANYWAY, THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANTED TO ADD WAS WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE ON OUR COMMITTEE HERE WHO ALSO IS ON P PBA C OH DARN. I LIKE THE RED LIGHT ON THERE. P BACK AND I'M TALKING ABOUT COUNCILMAN. UM, IS THERE ANY CHANCE, AND I KNOW YOU DO THIS BECAUSE YOU'RE THE COUNCIL REP, IS BRING INFORMATION FROM THAT COMMITTEE TO THE TRANSIT COMMITTEE IF WE EVER HAVE ANY. UM, YES, IN FACT I WAS, UH, I WAS GONNA SHARE TONIGHT. UH, JUST GIVE A QUICK LIAISON, UH, UPDATE. I'LL BE QUIET. THANK YOU. WHEN WERE YOU THINKING OF SHARING YOUR LIAISON UPDATE . WHENEVER YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO. I CAN, I CAN GO NOW, BUT I, I BELIEVE THAT IT IS APPROPRIATE THAT YOU DO THAT. OKAY. DURING COMMITTEE COMMENT. SO PLEASE PROCEED. OKAY. I THOUGHT WE WERE ON COMMITTEE COMMENT. WE, WE ARE. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. SO, AND IT HAS REACHED YOU, SO PLEASE PROCEED. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. LET ME, LET ME WAKE UP MY COMPUTER HERE REAL QUICK. I DON'T WANT TO MISS ANYTHING. UM, OKAY. SO, UM, ALRIGHT. SO YES, I WAS, UM, I HAD THE [01:00:01] PLEASURE OF BEING AT THE, UM, PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON MARCH 5TH, UH, WHERE WE RECEIVED A PRESENTATION ON THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGN PROPOSAL FOR THE PETALUMA RIVER PARK. UH, AND MEMBERS OF PVAC C HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE INPUT. I THINK THAT PRESENTATION MAY COME BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE AT SOME TIME. I'M NOT SURE. UM, UH, IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THE PETALUMA RIVER PARK, IT IS, UH, UH, I WOULD, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO GOOGLE IT AND BECOME FAMILIAR WITH IT. UH, IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE A WONDERFUL AMENITY FOR THE CITY OF PETALUMA. IT'S A REAL GAME CHANGER. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, AND IT REALLY DESERVES OUR COMMUNITY'S SUPPORT. UM, I WAS SO INSPIRED BY THE PRESENTATION THAT MY WIFE AND I VISITED THE PARK THAT FOLLOWING SATURDAY ON THE EIGHTH. AND, UM, IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN OUT TO, UH, I GUESS, WHAT IS IT, STEAMER LANDING, UM, UH, BUT THEY, THE, THE, THE, UH, RIVER PARK FOUNDATION BUILT A WHOLE NEW PATH THAT, THAT GOES ALL THE WAY AROUND IT. UH, AND, UH, IT'S A REALLY NICE PATH. UM, AND, UH, THIS TIME OF YEAR IT'S VERY GREEN, UH, AND, UH, AND IT IS JUST BEAUTIFUL. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU, UH, TO GO OUT AND SEE IT IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN OUT THERE IN A WHILE. PAC ALSO RECEIVED A RECOMMENDATION TO PRIORITIZE THE CITYWIDE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION WAY, FINDING DESIGN AND IMPLEMENTATION PROJECT. AND SO BASICALLY, UM, IT, YOU KNOW, WE, UH, WE LACK GOOD WAY FINDING GOOD SIGNAGE THROUGHOUT THE CITY FOR OUR PEDESTRIAN AND, AND, UH, AND BICYCLE NETWORK. AND, UH, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT'S PART OF THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN, WHICH IS CURRENTLY UNDER REVIEW AS PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE. AND, UH, AND, AND SO THE DESIRE IS TO HAVE THIS WAY FINDING PLAN IN PLACE BEFORE WE SPEND THE MONEY TO PUT SIGNS OUT, UH, SO THAT IT'S A, YOU KNOW, A COMPREHENSIVE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A COMPREHENSIVE THING. THE PROBLEM IS, UH, THE PROJECT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, IN GOVERNMENT, WE MOVE AT GLACIAL PACES. AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, BUT THERE'S A, UH, A, A A, YOU KNOW, SAFE STREETS PETALUMA IS DOING A WONDERFUL JOB OF, OF REALLY, UM, PUSHING THE CITY TO GET THIS MOVING. UH, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN NEEDED FOR A LONG TIME. AND SO THERE WAS, UH, UM, THIS, UH, RECOMMENDATION TO PRIORITIZE THAT AND MOVE THAT FORWARD. UH, ALSO, UH, I ATTENDED THE MARCH 11TH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING FOR, UM, PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF THE APPROVAL OF THE, UM, SPAR FOR THE CREEKWOOD HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WILL GO ACROSS THE STREET FROM CASA GRANDE. SO, ON SAG, ON SAG, SORRY, CASA GRANDE STREET, UM, ACROSS FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL, THERE'S A VACANT LOT, UH, AND THERE IS A, UH, DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, TO GO IN, UM, THAT'S A 59 UNIT, UM, MOSTLY DUPLEXES, SO IT'S DUPLEXES AND TRIPLEXES. UH, AND IT'S FOR SALE. IT'LL BE FOR SALE HOMES. UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY, UH, A, A NICE DEVELOPMENT. IT'S, UM, UH, IT'S, IT'S, IT, IT'S REALLY THAT MIDDLE, YOU KNOW, MIDDLE HOUSING THAT'S MISSING FROM OUR COMMUNITY. UM, AND, UH, SO IT'S GONNA BE A, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M, I'M REALLY EXCITED TO SEE THAT PROJECT COME IN. I'D ALSO SAY THAT THE DEVELOPER THAT'S BUILDING THAT IS THE SAME DEVELOPER THAT BUILT THE MCKENNA PROJECT ON CASA GRANDE, AS WELL AS THE BRODY RANCH PROJECT THAT SITS BEHIND THE SMART, UH, THE SMART STATION. AND AS I MENTIONED, THESE ARE QUALITY, MEDIUM DENSITY FOR PURCHASE PROJECTS THAT BRING MIDDLE MISSING, MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING TO PETALUMA. AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I, I GAVE A SHOUT OUT TO THE, UH, TO THE DEVELOPER IN OUR LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING. I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT HERE. I THINK IT'S, UH, IT'S, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD THING FOR PETALUMA. UH, AND THEN LASTLY, I WAS SUPER EXCITED, UH, AGAIN, MOST, UH, KIND OF A P BACK THING. UM, BUT, UH, I, THIS, I WANTED TO RECOGNIZE THE CITY FOR INSTALLING NEW BIKE RACKS AT MURPHY FIELD, JUST IN TIME FOR THE LITTLE LEAGUE SEASON TO KICKOFF. AND I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT TOO. THAT'S WHAT I HAVE. THANK YOU. OH, ONE LAST THING, UH, CITY COUNCIL, UH, AT OUR TWO WEEKS AGO ON CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY COUNCIL VOTED TO, UH, MOVE FORWARD WITH THE OVERLAY, IF YOU'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THAT AT ALL. UH, THE OVERLAY THAT, SO THE, THE INITIAL READING, THE FIRST READING PASSED, [01:05:01] UM, WE HAD THE SECOND READING, UH, THAT CAME BACK, UM, ON MONDAY NIGHT, UH, AND LAST NIGHT. AND, UM, UH, THEY, THE, THE DECISION WAS MADE TO, UH, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A SCALED DOWN VERSION OF THE OVERLAY. SO INITIALLY IT HAD AREAS A, B, AND C AND THE, UM, THE, UH, THE ORDINANCE THAT PASSED LAST NIGHT SCALED IT DOWN TO JUST AREA A. UM, SO IF YOU'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THAT, THAT'S THE LATEST. THANK YOU. YOU WILL ALL BE VERY HAPPY TO KNOW THAT. I HAVE NO COMMENTS. , THOUGH THAT CONVERSATION WAS WELL APPRECIATED AND PROBABLY NOT EXACTLY ACCORDING TO THE RULES WRITTEN HERE, BUT WE'LL MOVE ON. OKAY. SO NOW IT [STAFF COMMENT] IS TIME FOR STAFF COMMENT AND THE TRANSIT MANAGER'S REPORT. THANK YOU AGAIN. UM, SO ONE OF THE ITEMS WE WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT WE TOUCHED ON A BIT IS THE TRANSIT OPERATION RFP. AND SO THAT REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL WAS ISSUED ON FEBRUARY, UM, 18TH. AND WE'VE ALREADY CONVENED ONE TIME WITH THE AD HOC SELECTION GROUP, WHICH IS A COMBINATION OF CITY STAFF, AND THEN OF COURSE THE TWO MEMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE, CHAIR ABRAMS, AND THEN, UH, MR. ALDEN THAT'LL BE SERVING ON THERE. AND SO WE JUST SENT RESPONSES TO ALL THE QUESTIONS WE GOT FROM THE, UH, VENDORS TODAY. AND THEN THE MOST NOTABLE DATE UPCOMING IS APRIL 9TH, WHEN ALL THE PROPOSALS ARE DUE. AND SO ONCE WE RECEIVE THOSE, WE'RE GONNA SEND THEM OUT TO THE SELECTION, UM, AD HOC AND THAT GROUP CONVENES ON APRIL 16TH. AND THEN IF WE NEED, WE'LL HAVE PRESENTATIONS TO THAT GROUP BY THE VENDORS ON APRIL 23RD. AND THEN WE'RE ANTICIPATING BRINGING THE ITEM FOR A SPECIAL MEETING HERE AT A TRANS ADVISORY COMMITTEE, SOMETHING WE DON'T DO VERY OFTEN, BUT THAT WOULD BE ON MAY 6TH FOR A POTENTIAL, UH, CONSIDERATION OF AN AWARD THERE. AND IF EVERYTHING GOES WELL, GOING TO COUNCIL ON JUNE 2ND. SO STAY TUNED FOR THAT. WE HAD, UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS SIX PARTIES THAT ATTENDED THE VIRTUAL CONFERENCE AND FOUR THAT ATTENDED THE SITE WALK AFTERWARDS. SO WE'RE HOPING THAT WE'RE GONNA GET MULTIPLE RESPONSES TO THE RFP, BUT UM, UNTIL APRIL 9TH COMES AROUND, WE WON'T QUITE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'LL BE RECEIVING. SO KEEP OUR FINGERS CROSSED. UM, ON THAT, WAS THERE ANY UPDATES THAT WE HAD FOR LUMA GO OR MARKETING THAT ARE WORTH MENTIONING? OH, YES. I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WERE GONNA DO RIDERSHIP. OH, WELL I'LL LET RIDERSHIP STUFF GO INTO THEM. GO. BUT YEAH, JUST A QUICK MARKETING, UM, UPDATE. TODAY IS A NATIONAL TRANSIT EMPLOYEE APPRECIATION DAY. YAY. UM, FUN FACT THAT IT'S BECAUSE IN FRANCE, THE FIRST PUBLIC TRANSIT WAS THERE ON THAT DAY IN MARCH 18TH. DON'T ASK ME THE YEAR MANY, MANY YEARS AGO. UM, BUT IT'S A WONDERFUL DAY BECAUSE IT'S A GREAT DAY TO CELEBRATE OUR DRIVERS, THE DRIVERS AND THE DISPATCH STAFF WHO REALLY WORKED TIRELESSLY. SO WE, UM, WE GAVE THEM THE CUTE LITTLE THINGS. THIS IS ONE OF THEM. IT'S SO ADORABLE. WE DID A LOT OF DONUT PUNS. OKAY, I DID. UM, BUT INSIDE THERE'S A RAFFLE AND A GIFT CARD, SO THEY EACH GOT THIS. AND THEN WE HAD LITTLE TREATS THROUGHOUT THE DAY, EVEN WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS SENDING THINGS TODAY. SO I'LL BE PUTTING A VIDEO TOGETHER ON SOCIAL MEDIA. THERE'S A CARD CIRCULATING SOMEWHERE UP HERE. HOPEFULLY I GOTTA GET IT BEFORE IT GOES. PERFECT. SO I'M GONNA, UM, GET THIS TO OUR DRIVERS TOO BECAUSE UM, YOU KNOW, WE WANT THEM TO STAY AND UH, WE APPRECIATE THEM. UH, AND THAT IS A NATIONAL DAY, SO WE'LL SEE A LOT. YOU SHOULD SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE POSTING ON THAT. UH, WE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE TALKED ABOUT THE BARRIER TRANSIT SUMMIT THAT WE PRESENTED AT CARLY AND I WENT TO TALK ABOUT LUMA GO SPECIFICALLY. UM, BUT IT WAS REALLY GREAT BECAUSE IT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY. IT WAS THE FERRY BUILDING IN SAN FRANCISCO AND MANY TRANSIT AGENCIES, UM, PRESENTED. SO IT WAS REALLY GREAT TO SEE THE WAY EACH OF THEM USES MICRO TRANSIT SO DIFFERENTLY, UM, FROM THE BAYVIEW SHUTTLE FOR S-F-M-T-A TO UM, I FORGET THE ONE IN DENVER. I THINK IT WAS THE CRAZY ONE. I FORGET WHAT, WHAT, YEAH, SOMEWHERE NOT HERE. BUT ANYWAY, IT WAS REALLY NEAT TO SEE TO THE POINT OF WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHERE YOU USE THE RIGHT SERVICE FOR THE RIGHT NEED, THERE'S LITERALLY AN AGENCY THAT THEY DETERMINE WHEN YOU CONTACT THEM TO SAY, OKAY, I WANT THIS RIDE. EVEN IF YOU WANT MICRO TRANSIT, THEY DETERMINE WHAT YOU GET. WHICH I THOUGHT WAS REALLY INTER OF COURSE. I LOVE THAT. SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY INTERESTING. UM, SO IT WAS GREAT FOR US TO BE EXPOSED TO JUST DIFFERENT WAYS WE COULD PRESENT THIS SERVICE. UM, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE AWARE, BUT ANOTHER OUTREACH, UM, A NEW OUTREACH EVENT IS A, IT'S NOT A NEW GROUP, BUT I THINK THE CITY IS UM, KIND OF FORMING A BOND WITH IT. CAFE PUENTE. UM, AND SO CAFE PUENTE IS A GROUP AS I'VE SPOKE ABOUT IN THE PAST. UM, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S MAYBE A MISSING PIECE IN TERMS OF OUR OUTREACH TO THE SPANISH SPEAKING POPULATION. [01:10:01] SO CAFE PUENTE IS AN ADVISORY GROUP AND UM, IT'S ALL SPANISH SPEAKING. SO WE DID, WE HAD A PRESENTATION WITH THEM, SO IT WAS REALLY GREAT ONLY THE SECOND, I THINK HOUSING WENT FIRST, UM, WHERE THEY PRESENTED ON THE TRANSIT OPPORTUNITIES AND THEN WE GAVE THEM QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT WE NEEDED FROM THEM. SO THEY GAVE US GREAT FEEDBACK ON WHY SOME OF THEIR COMMUNITY ARE NOT USING FIXED ROUTE, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE BARRIERS. AND IT'S ALWAYS REALLY EYEOPENING TO SEE LIKE WHERE THEY ANTICIPATE, UM, MAYBE MORE OUTREACH. FOR EXAMPLE, THEY GAVE ME LAUNDROMATS OR DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, RADIO STATIONS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO IT'S NOT ONLY GOOD FOR TRANSIT, BUT FOR GOOD FOR THE CITY AS A WHOLE TO GET MORE IN TOUCH WITH THAT GROUP. UM, A FEW OTHER QUICK ONES. WE DID TOURISM DAY WITH THE DOWNTOWN ASSOCIATION. THEY RODE LUMA AGO, I THINK THAT WAS IN THE UM, PACKET. WE'RE CONTINUING TO DO PUBLIC OUTREACH IN TERMS OF TRAVEL TRAINING. OUR THREE PART SERIES TO THE SENIOR CENTER REALLY WORKED OUT WELL. SO THIS IS WHERE WE KIND OF SET IT. I'M GONNA BE THERE EVERY OTHER MONTH ONCE TO TALK ABOUT LUMA WANTS TO TALK ABOUT PARA, WANTS TO TALK ABOUT FIXED ROUTE. THAT MODEL'S WORKING REALLY WELL. SO NOW WE'RE DOING THAT AT VINTAGE CHATEAU NEXT. AND SO IT REALLY, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF ALREADY IN A CAN AND HERE IT IS. AND SO WHEN PEOPLE CALL AND SAY, HEY, MY GROUP NEEDS OUTPUT, WHICH OF THESE THREE DO YOU WANT? DO YOU WANT ALL THREE? SO IT'S BEEN GOOD TO BE MORE CONSISTENT IN THE COMMUNITY IN THESE SPACES THAT WE NEED. UM, WE ARE CONTINUING WITH OUR AD ADVERTISING PROGRAM, SO YOU SHOULD BE SEEING NEW ADVERTISEMENTS AT SHELTERS COMING SOON. SO, UM, I THINK OUR FIRST ONE WILL BE COOL. PETALUMA BLUE ZONES IS ALSO INTERESTED BECAUSE WE'RE CHANGING OUR PROFILE AND THE WAY WE'RE HANDLING IT, WHERE IT'S ALL GONNA BE PURCHASE SPACE. A PORTION OF IT'S GONNA BE FOR WHAT WE CALL IN KIND ADVERTISING TO OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS. SO REALLY EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF SHOWCASE WHAT OUR COMMUNITY'S DOING, NOT ONLY AT THE SHELTERS BUT ON THE BACK OF THE BUS. AND I THINK THAT MIGHT BE, UM, IT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UM, ON THE FLEET SIDE, SOME EXCITING UPDATES ARE UH, ZERO EMISSION BATTERY ELECTRIC BUSES AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED. WE'RE EXPECTING THOSE THE LAST WEEK OF MAY, FIRST WEEK OF JUNE. SO THOSE WOULD BE OUR FOUR NEW FLYER BATTERY ELECTRIC BUSES, OUR FIRST EVER ZERO EMISSION BUSES. AND YOU MAY HAVE SEEN SOME NEW BUSES, UH, NEW-ISH IF YOU'VE BEEN BY THE YARD ALREADY. THEY'RE LIKE THE ONES YOU CAN SEE IN THE PHOTO IN YOUR UH, MANAGER'S REPORT. THERE ARE FOUR, 2008 BUSES THAT WERE DONATED TO PETALUMA TRANSIT FREE OF CHARGE FROM AC TRANSIT UPON THEM RETIRING THOSE AND THEIR VAN HO, WHICH IS A BELGIAN MANUFACTURER. AND SO WE'RE CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF GETTING THOSE, HAVING SOME SLIGHT REBRANDING OF PETALUMA TRANSIT. SO YOU'LL SEE OUR COLORS ON THERE, SEE OUR LOGOS ON IT, BUT THAT GIVES US MORE FLEET CAPACITY WITH FIXED DROUGHT, BUSES NOT HAVE TO RUN, UH, SMALLER PARATRANSIT CUTAWAYS ON FIXED DROUGHT SERVICE, WHICH IS AN IDEAL FOR SEVERAL REASONS, BUT IN ABOUT THREE OR FOUR WEEKS THESE BUSES WILL BE OUT IN THE STREET OPERATING IN REVENUE SERVICE. SO VERY EXCITING THERE AS WELL. UH, THERE'S SOME GREAT PHOTOS OF THOSE NEW FLYER BUSES YOU CAN SEE IN YOUR PACKET THERE. UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS REQUESTED IS AN UPDATE ON SOME OF THE RIDERSHIP NUMBERS THAT I KNOW CARLY'S PUT TOGETHER FOR US, INCLUDING THE PACKET. CARLY, WOULD YOU MIND TALKING THROUGH SOME OF THOSE PROVIDING ANY HIGHLIGHTS? YEAH, SO I JUST HAVE A FEW HIGHLIGHTS FOR LUGO AND FIXED ROUTE. UM, SO FOR LUGO, THIS ISN'T IN THE PACKET 'CAUSE WE JUST SET THIS RECORD ON FRIDAY, BUT OUR NEW RIDE RECORD FOR THE DAY IS 124 RIDES AND THAT WAS ON MARCH 15TH. UM, SO THAT'S REALLY EXCITING. AND THEN I ALSO WANNA POINT OUT, SO WE'VE, WE HAVE LIKE A FEW MONTHS OF DATA NOW THAT WE'RE ABLE TO LOOK AT AND REALLY LIKE LOOK INTO TRENDS AND WE'RE SEEING SPECIFIC TIMES DURING THE DAY WHERE WE HAVE LIKE REALLY HIGH RIDERSHIP. SO WE'RE CONSISTENTLY SENDING OUT TWO VEHICLES DURING THOSE TIMES. AND THAT'S ATTRIBUTING TO OUR HIGH MET DEMAND RATE, WHICH HAS BEEN CONSISTENTLY OVER 65% FOR THE PAST MONTH NOW, WHICH WE'RE REALLY HAPPY WITH. UM, AND THEN FOR FIXED ROUTE, UM, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT OUR PRODUCTIVITY HAS INCREASED FROM 12 PASSENGERS PER HOUR IN FY 24 TO 15 PASSENGERS PER HOUR. UM, AND THEN THIS ISN'T DATA RELATED, BUT I DID WANNA MENTION THAT I PUT TOGETHER A LIST OF SOME BUS STOP UPDATES WE'RE MAKING RIGHT NOW. UM, SO THERE'S ONE LIST IN THE PACKET OF BUS STOPS THAT ARE GETTING NEW SHELTERS AND HOPEFULLY THOSE WILL BE INSTALLED WITHIN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS. AND THEN THERE'S A LIST OF STOPS GETTING NEW TRASH CANS AND THOSE WERE INSTALLED EARLIER TODAY. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU CARLY. AND THEN LAST ITEM ON HERE, UM, SOME OF THE ITEMS FOR UPCOMING FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS, UH, WE'LL HAVE PARATRANSIT VEHICLE PURCHASE. WE ARE ANTICIPATING BUYING FIVE OF THOSE, UH, LIKELY GONNA BE OUR FIRST EVER ELECTRIC CUTAWAY PARATRANSIT VEHICLES. SO [01:15:01] WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT. AND FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN HAVING MORE DISCUSSION ON THE OVERLAP OF TRANSIT WITH BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN SIDE OF THINGS. NEXT MEETING WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PRESENTATION ON THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN. SO THAT WOULD BE GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE COMMENTS AND SEE THE INTERSECTION OF ALL THE DIFFERENT MODES COMING TOGETHER AT THAT MEETING. AND SO WITH THAT, UH, MADAM CHAIR, THAT COMPLETES THE REPORT. THANK YOU. SO COMMITTEE COMMENTS SHOULD BE LIMITED TO CLARIFYING QUESTIONS. WRITTEN , DO WE HAVE ANY COMMITTEE COMMENTS? NONE HERE I DO IF I COULD. THE MANAGER'S REPORTS SEEM TO IMPLY THAT THE ELECTRIC BUSES ARE STILL IN WINNIPEG, BUT I THOUGHT YOU HAD TOLD ME THEY'D COME ACROSS THE BORDER. THEY CAME ACROSS THE BORDER ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO. OKAY. SO THEY WERE RIGHT ACROSS THE BORDER FROM WINNIPEG AND THEN THEY WERE MOVED ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO TO CROOKSTON, MINNESOTA. SO THEY MOVED IN TIME TO BEAT ANY POTENTIAL TARIFFS OF ANYTHING COMING UNDER THE BORDER. SO YEAH, THAT WAS A GOOD QUESTION, . WELL, WHEN JARED AND I TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, IT WAS VERY MUCH A TARIFF CONVERSATION. SO YES, THAT'S WHY I WAS VERY ALERT TO WHERE THOSE BUSES WERE. AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD IS THERE WERE COMMENTS IN THERE ABOUT A LUMA GO ASSESSMENT, UH, YOU KNOW, GETTING, YOU KNOW, THE THINGS YOU TALKED ABOUT, MARIA, MY QUESTION IS WHERE LUMA GO ORIGINALLY CAME FROM, WAS THE CITY THROUGH THEIR BUDGET PROCESS? SAY DO DO LUMA GO THE CITY BUDGET SEEMS TO BE MOVING, IT WILL HAVE EARLIER DATES THAN THE LUMA GO ASSESSMENT PROCESS. DOES THAT MEAN LUMA GO WILL STAY IN THE CITY BUDGET AT THE SAME LEVEL? IT WAS THE CURRENT YEAR AND, AND ANY CHANGE WILL BE STILL ANOTHER YEAR AWAY, WHICH I'M FINE WITH THEM. JUST CLARIFYING. SO WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE MONEY IDENTIFIED FOR, UM, EXPANSION ON THAT SERVICE. IT COMES IN THE FORM OF THAT SCTA GRANTS THAT WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL A FEW MONTHS AGO. AND SO AS A REMINDER THAT GRANT INCLUDED MONEY FOR MICROT TRANSIT SERVICE INCLUDING AN EXPANSION OF THE CURRENT ZONE AND IT INCLUDED 15 MINUTE HEADWAYS ON ROUTES TWO AND 11 OF WHICH WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON NOW AND LOOKING TO ROLL THOSE OUT IN MAY. SO A LITTLE OVER A MONTH FROM NOW YOU'LL BE SEEING THAT. SO ALL OF THOSE ELEMENTS ARE INCLUDED THROUGH THOSE GRANT FUNDS WITH A GRANT ALREADY RECEIVED AND APPROVED. OKAY. UH, THROUGH COUNCIL. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY OTHER CLARIFYING QUESTIONS? 15 MINUTES? YEAH. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU EVERYONE. THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED. OKAY. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.