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GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO THE EIGHTH MEETING OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR WEDNESDAY, MARCH 26TH, 2025.IF YOU WISH TO PROVIDE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD IN THE BACK OF THE CHAMBER AND BRING IT TO THE COMMITTEE CLERK.
UM, AT THIS POINT I'D LIKE TO ASK THE CLERK TO TAKE ROLL CALL.
NOW HERE WE HAVE QUORUM AND WE ARE MISSING, UM, CATHERINE SULLIVAN.
UH, DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON ITEMS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THAT ARE WITHIN THE COMMITTEE'S SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION, AND THAT ARE NOT LISTED ON THE CURRENT AGENDA.
PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED UP TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON.
DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF PERSONS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMITTEE.
TIME WILL BE ALLOCATED IN EQUAL SHARES TOTALING NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES.
CLERK, HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING? WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING, BUT, UH, WE MAY BE HAVING ONE, UH, HERE IN THE ROOM.
WE'LL RUN IT UP TO YOU SO YOU CAN ANNOUNCE MM-HMM
AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO CALL NINA GITO, UH, FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THREE MINUTES.
I'M KIND OF NEW AT THIS, UM, AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE RIGHT TIME OR NOT, BUT I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IS ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT, AND I'D LIKE TO ENCOURAGE, UM, UH, COUNCIL AND, UH, THIS COMMISSION TO SPELL OUT WHAT THESE IMPORTANT ACRONYMS ARE, IF INDEED COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IS, IS SOUGHT.
BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS EVENING IS SUPER IMPORTANT, BUT THE, THE ACRONYMS AREN'T SEARCHABLE.
BUT IF WE PUT LIKE RACIAL PROFILING, ET CETERA, IN SPELLING IT OUT, THEN MAYBE MORE PEOPLE WOULD BE, UM, PARTICIPATING.
THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING MY REMARKS.
AT THIS TIME, WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS, SO WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AND CONTINUE WITH THE AGENDA.
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
ON TO THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES FOR THE MEETING OF FEBRUARY 26TH, 2025.UM, ARE THERE ANY CHANGES OR CORRECTIONS FOR THE MINUTES FOR FEBRUARY 26TH, 2025? YES, THERE'S ONE.
NOTICE IN THE MINUTES THAT I APPROVED THE AGENDA FIVE ITEM, AND I WAS HERE, AND I DID, I DID NOT, UM, VOTE ON THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR THE PRIOR MEETING BECAUSE I WASN'T AT THAT MEETING AND I STATED THAT.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? MM-HMM
SO, UM, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE APPROVAL WITH, UH, ACCEPTING THAT WE NEED TO MAKE A NOTE THAT COUNCIL MEMBER NOW, UM, DID VOTE FOR APPROVAL FOR THE PREVIOUS MINUTES SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AS, AS APPROVED.
I DIDN'T VOTE FOR THE MINUTES, BUT I VOTED FOR ITEM FIVE.
SO, CLARK, WOULD YOU LIKE US TO GO AHEAD AND, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CHANGES IN AMENDED MINUTES? YES, THAT IS CORRECT.
UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CHANGES IN AMENDED MINUTES.
SO ALBERT A YES, MS. AYE? YES.
ATTORNEY AHM ABSTAINING AS I WASN'T HERE.
[PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION]
UM, PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION.UH, AGENDA TWO IS THE PRESENTATION OF THE 2024 RPI DATA.
UH, I'D LIKE TO OPEN THE PRESENTATION ITEM AND ASK CHIEF MILLER AND STAFF TO INTRODUCE THE TOPIC.
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FOR THAT.UM, YEAH, THIS IS OUR PRESENTATION OF THE 2024 RIPPA DATA, WHICH IS INDICATED BY THE PUBLIC COMMENT IS THE RACIAL, UM, JUSTICE ACT MANDATORY REPORTING REQUIREMENT THAT WE'VE BEEN, UH, DOING FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS.
AND OUR INDEPENDENT POLICE AUDITOR, JEFF SCHLANGER, IS ON THE CALL VIRTUALLY TONIGHT, AND WE'LL BE, UH, DISCUSSING AND, AND PRESENTING THAT TO YOU DIRECTLY, JEFF.
UH, CHIEF, UM, I THINK WE DISCUSSED IT LAST MEETING, UH, THE 2023 REPA DATA, WHICH HAD BEEN, UH, PREVIOUSLY ASSEMBLED AND, UH, PRESENTED TO THIS GROUP.
AND, UH, I NOTED AT THAT TIME THAT WE WOULD, UH, BE, UH, DOING AN ANALYSIS, AND IT REALLY ISN'T AN ANALYSIS.
IT'S MORE A, A GRAPHICAL, UH, DEPICTION OF THE, UH, RIPA DATA FROM 2024.
AND, UH, HOPEFULLY YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THIS ALL.
BUT, UH, JUST GENERALLY WHAT HAS BEEN DONE IS WE HAVE CREATED A, UH, PRESENTATION WHERE WE HAVE TAKEN THE ESSENTIALS, UH, FOR BOTH 2023 AND 2024.
UH, THEN WE HAVE GIVEN THE RACIAL AND ETHNIC, UH, BREAKDOWNS, UH, AGAIN, BOTH FOR 2023 AND THEN FOR 2024.
AND THEN WE HAVE INCLUDED A TABLE, UH, WHICH BREAKS OUT NOT ONLY THE ETHNICITY WITH RESPECT TO THE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES, UM, BUT ALSO, UM, THE, UH, THE GENDER OF THOSE INVOLVED.
AND THAT CAME ABOUT AS A RESULT OF CERTAIN QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE RELATIVE TO THE LAST PRESENTATION.
SO, UM, WE CAN FLIP THROUGH THIS.
UH, THERE REALLY ISN'T MUCH BEYOND THAT, WHICH IS DEPICTED ON THE SLIDES.
UM, YOU WILL NOTE THAT IN 2023, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF STOPS, UH, WAS 10,889.
AND I NOTE, UH, THAT WE HAD, UH, THROUGH OUR, WHAT WE CALL OUR DETAILED ANALYSIS OF TOUR ACTIVITY, NOTICE THAT THERE WAS SOME UNDERREPORTING IN THE PERIOD THAT WE EXAMINED, AND THE DEPARTMENT IS WORKING ON THAT UNDERREPORTING.
UM, BUT AGAIN, IN 2023, UH, TOTAL OF 10,889, UH, STOPS.
AND THEN, UH, TO THE RIGHT, YOU SEE BOTH THE BREAKDOWN, UH, BY RACE, BY NUMBER, AND, UH, BY PERCENTAGE.
WHY DON'T WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE? AGAIN, THIS IS NOW 2024, AND YOU WILL SEE THAT THERE WAS A, A DROP OF REPORTED STOPS DOWN TO 9,510.
SO APPROXIMATELY, UH, 1,379, UH, FEWER STOPS IN 2024 THAN IN 2023.
UH, AGAIN, TO THE RIGHT, THE BREAKDOWN, UH, BY RACE IN TERMS OF RAW NUMBERS AND IN TERMS OF PERCENTAGE.
LET'S GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
YOU CAN SEE, UH, THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF STOPS, AND THIS IS TRUE FOR BOTH, UH, 2023 AND 2024, THE VAST MAJORITY OF STOPS ARE FOR, UH, TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS.
AND THE OTHER CATEGORIES THERE ARE LISTED.
WHY DON'T WE GO TO, UH, 2024? NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
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BY RACE, BY NUMBER.THIS IS THE BREAKDOWN, UH, FOR 2024.
THESE ARE THE PERCENTAGES FOR 2023.
AND FINALLY, THE TABLE ON THE NEXT PAGE, PLEASE, WHICH IS SOMEWHAT OF AN EYE CHART, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT, BUT MAYBE WE CAN MAKE IT LARGER.
THIS THEN PRESENTS THE DATA FOR 2023 AND 2024 IN A SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON, BROKEN DOWN, NOT ONLY BY, UH, RACE AND ETHNICITY, BUT ALSO BY GENDER WHERE A GENDER DOESN'T APPEAR OR A RACE DOESN'T APPEAR.
THAT MEANS THAT THERE WERE NO STOPS, UM, IN THOSE CATEGORIES.
SO THIS IS FIRST THE TOTAL STOPS, AND THEN WE MOVED TO THE TRAFFIC STOPS, UH, DID ESSENTIALLY THE SAME THING, UH, FIRST 2023, THEN 2024, THEN BY RACE NUMBERS IN 2023 AND 2024.
AND THEN THE PERCENTAGES, I'M SORRY, PERCENTAGES FOR EACH YEAR FOLLOWING THE NUMBERS.
AND THEN FOLLOWING THAT IS A TABLE.
UM, AND WE HAVE BROKEN DOWN, OUR TRAFFIC STOPS INTO THREE MAJOR CATEGORIES, UH, EQUIPMENT VIOLATIONS, MOVING VIOLATIONS, AND NON-MOVING VIOLATIONS.
AFTER WE HAVE THE, THE BREAKDOWN OF THE STOPS, WE THEN GO TO ACTIONS TAKEN AND JUST, UH, SO THAT EVERYONE KNOWS THERE WAS A CHANGE IN THE WAY THAT THE STATE REQUIRED REPORTING, UM, FROM 2023 TO 2024, WHICH MEANS THAT WE WERE NOT ONLY NOT ALWAYS, UH, DIRECTLY COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES.
UM, WE HAD TO DO SOME EXTRAPOLATION FOR 2023.
AND, UM, ESSENTIALLY THE NEW WAY OF REPORTING BREAKS OUT ACTION, TAKEN WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFICITY, UM, AS TO FIRST OF ALL, WHETHER OR NOT, UH, FORCE WAS USED IN THE ACTION, AND THEN MORE SPECIFICITY IN THE TYPES OF FORCE THAT ARE, UH, REPORTED OUT.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE IN 2023 AND, AND IN 2024, THE VAST MAJORITY OF INSTANCES THAT, UH, THAT WERE REPORTED ARE NON FORCE ACTIONS TAKEN.
THERE ARE SOME, UH, FORCE ACTIONS TAKEN.
I WILL POINT OUT AT THIS, UH, STAGE OF THE PRESENTATION THAT THE DATA, WHICH, UH, WE ARE LOOKING AT NOW IS QUANTITATIVE DATA.
SO IT IS DATA THAT REALLY DOES NOT LOOK AT ANY OF THE INSTANCES OR INCIDENTS, UH, QUALITATIVELY.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, WITH RESPECT TO, FOR INSTANCE, THE 87 FORCE ACTIONS TAKEN IN 2024, AS I HAVE PREVIOUSLY EXPLAINED, UH, TO THIS COMMISSION, WE ARE ARE IN FACT LOOKING AT ALL OF THOSE FORCE ACTIONS TAKEN QUALITATIVELY AS WELL.
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JUST A, A POINT OF INFORMATION THERE.AGAIN, WE HAVE, UH, WHY DON'T WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
THESE ARE THE, UH, ACTIONS TAKEN IN 2023.
THE VAST MAJORITY IS NO ACTION.
WE'LL SEE THE BREAKDOWNS AGAIN, WHICH SHOULD AT THIS POINT BE FAMILIAR TO YOU.
NEXT SLIDE WILL BE THE PERCENTAGES, UM, WHICH I GUESS, YEAH, THERE WE GO.
AND THE FOLLOWING SLIDE, PLEASE, WHICH WILL BE THE TABLE WHICH LAYS THIS ALL OUT IN A SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON.
UM, THE REASON WE DIDN'T DO SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISONS ON THE SAME SLIDE IS IT JUST BECAME TOO UNWIELDY AND THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS ULTIMATELY THE BEST WAY TO PRESENT THE INFORMATION.
AND THEN LASTLY, UM, LET'S MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE, IF YOU WILL.
FOR BOTH 2023 AND NEXT SLIDE, 2024.
AND AGAIN, THE BREAKDOWN BY BOTH NUMBERS AND, UH, PERCENTAGES FOR EACH YEAR, FOLLOWED BY THE TABLE, UH, WITH THE DIRECT SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON.
SO,
HOPEFULLY YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE, UH, TO LOOK AT THESE SLIDES, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE WITH RESPECT TO THIS PRESENTATION.
I SHOULD NOTE THAT THIS PRESENTATION, UH, CONSTITUTES APPENDIX E, UH, FOR OUR ANNUAL REPORT THAT WE TOOK, UH, THE COMMENTS WHICH WE HAVE RECEIVED FROM THE PUBLIC AND, UH, FROM, UH, THIS COMMITTEE AS WELL.
AND, UH, INTEGRATED THOSE, UH, ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS OR, OR COMMENTS IN THE FINAL REPORT, UH, WHICH WILL BE DELIVERED, UH, TO THE COUNCIL ON APRIL 7TH.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MRS. LANGER.
UH, BEFORE I OPEN IT UP FOR COMMITTEE QUESTIONS, UH, JUST TO SORT OF, UM, PAIR RESPECT TO THE OPENING COMMENT, CAN YOU EXPLAIN FOR EVERYONE WHAT THE ACRONYM RIPPA STANDS FOR? YES.
IT'S THE RACIAL IDENTITY PROFILING ACT, WHICH IS A STATE, UH, STATUTE IN CALIFORNIA, WHICH MANDATES THAT DEPARTMENTS COLLECT THIS PARTICULAR DATA IN A FORM THAT IS PRESCRIBED.
AND, UH, WHICH I DESCRIBED AS HAVING CHANGED, UH, FROM 2023 TO 2024.
I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO, UH, COUNCILMAN KEARNEY FOR QUESTION.
UH, I THINK COMMITTEE MEMBER, I DON'T, I DON'T GET TO BE CALLED COUNCIL MEMBER, COMMITTEE MEMBER.
SORRY ABOUT THAT, IF YOU, THAT WAS A FUN 10 YEAR RUN OF MY LIFE.
BUT, UH, UM, JEFF, CAN YOU DO ME A FAVOR AND, UM, PLEASE, UH, HELP ME UNDERSTAND.
SO AN OFFICER PULLS SOMEONE OVER, HOW DO THEY, HOW DO THEY COME TO THE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT RACE THIS PERSON IS? AND SO JUST, IT'S ALL BASED ON JEFF, JUST SO YOU KNOW.
I ASK QUESTIONS SOMETIMES THAT I WANT THE PUBLIC TO HEAR THE ANSWER TO NOT, 'CAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT, IT'S 'CAUSE I WANT IT SAID OUT LOUD FOR EVERYONE TO HAVE A GOOD UNDERSTANDING.
AND I APPRECIATE THAT, AND I'M SURE THE PUBLIC DOES AS WELL.
UM, SO THESE, UH, ENTRIES WHICH ARE, UH, MADE, UH, NEAR CONTEMPORANEOUSLY TO THE EVENTS THAT, UH, THEY ARE DEPICTING, UH, ARE BASED ON PERCEPTION OF THE OFFICER.
SO IT'S THE PERCEPTION WITH RESPECT TO, UH, RACE
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SLASH ETHNICITY.IT'S THE PERCEPTION WITH RESPECT TO AGE, AND IT IS THE PERCEPTION WITH RESPECT TO GENDER AS WELL.
AND THEN, UM, CAN I ASK, IS, IS IT POSSIBLE TO MAYBE ADD A SLIDE, UH, FOR REFERENCE, UM, THAT SHOWS WHAT THE RACIAL MAKEUP OF OUR COMMUNITY IS SO THAT WAY THERE'S A GOOD REFERENCE POINT? 'CAUSE IF, IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT JUST THIS DATA IN AND OF ITSELF AND NOT UNDERSTAND LIKE THAT, IT TO ME ALMOST MATCHES UP WITH MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT OUR RACIAL MAKEUP IS, IS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, BUT IT, IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO HAVE THAT AS A KIND OF JUST A FRAME OF REFERENCE.
YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S CERTAINLY POSSIBLE.
I DIDN'T, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN STILL GET IT IN FOR, UH, THE FINAL OF THIS, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY PRESENT IT TO THIS, UH, COMMITTEE, UH, FOR THEIR REFERENCE.
I WILL NOTE, HOWEVER, UM, AS I BELIEVE, UH, THE, THE CONVERSATION, UH, WITH DR.
FIDEL INDICATED THAT, UH, POPULATION MAY NOT BE THE BEST BENCHMARK, UH, TO WHICH THIS STATUS SHOULD BE IMPAIRED.
UM, SO JUST WANT TO THROW THAT OUT AS WELL.
YEAH, I THINK I SECOND THAT AS WELL.
THAT WAS A QUESTION I ALSO HAD WAS THAT IT, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE A, WHATEVER THE DATA SET THAT YOU GUYS BELIEVE BEST REPRESENTS, UM, AS SORT OF A CONTROL SET SO WE CAN KNOW WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE PERCENTAGES, WHAT THIS DATA SET SORT OF CORRELATES TO.
BECAUSE, UM, CHAIRMAN, IT'S, I THINK IT'S GOOD AS A REFERENCE POINT, BUT IT DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR OR FACTOR IN, UM, FOLKS THAT ARE COMING TO OUR COMMUNITY FROM OUTSIDE OF PETALUMA.
AND I THINK I, DURING THAT MEETING, I THINK THAT WAS JANUARY WHERE WE DISCUSSED IT, UM, THE REFERENCE OR THE, THE, UM, REFERENCE I MADE WAS TO SOME OF OUR COMMERCIAL SHOPLIFTING RINGS THAT HAVE HIT PETALUMA PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY.
AND 90% OF THOSE FOLKS ARE FROM OUTSIDE OF SONOMA AND MARIN COUNTY.
UH, AND SO THE RACIAL MAKEUP OF SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN COMMITTING THOSE CRIMES DOESN'T NECESSARILY ALWAYS MATCH WHAT OUR COMMUNITY LOOKS LIKE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
SO DO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER TO HAVE SORT OF A OUR COMMUNITY VERSUS BAY AREA? YEAH.
VERSUS MAYBE THE BAY AREA VERSUS THE STATE AND SORT OF, BECAUSE PETALUMA ISN'T, I MEAN, WE ALL LIVE HERE, RIGHT? SO WE SEE WHAT OUR NEIGHBORS LOOK LIKE, BUT PETALUMA ISN'T AS DIVERSE AS THE REST OF THE BAY AREA IS NECESSARILY.
UM, AND CRIMINALS DON'T STOP AT THE COUNTY BORDER, RIGHT? LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE GET A LOT OF FOLKS THAT COME, UM, FROM THE EAST BAY JUST BASED ON LIKE THE REPORTS THAT WE GET ON THE NIX ALERTS WHERE THEY'RE ARRESTED FROM.
A LOT OF 'EM ARE FROM THE EAST BAY, UM, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE COMMERCIAL SHOPLIFTING, UH, ISSUES THAT WE'VE HAD.
AND THERE ARE, IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR, UM, A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT BENCHMARKS THAT ACADEMICS USE FOR COMPARISON AND OFTEN USE A NUMBER OF THOSE BENCHMARKS SIDE BY SIDE.
UM, SO THAT ONE CAN DETERMINE OR ATTEMPT TO DETERMINE, UH, THE LEVEL OF DISPARITIES AND WHETHER THOSE DISPARITIES MAY, MAY WARRANT FURTHER INVESTIGATION.
UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, THE SAME POINT.
IT CAME TO WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK AT THE END BECAUSE I DO RECEIVE THE NICKLES ON THE BREWSTERS AND, UH, A GREAT MAJORITY ARE NOT EVEN RESIDENTS OF PETALUMA.
SO THAT WILL CONFLICT WITH THE FIRST, UNLESS YOU CAN PUT ALL THE INFORMATION IN.
BUT THAT WAS IT, IT WAS PERFECT.
SO, UM, I KNOW YOU'RE PRESENTING ONLY ON RIPPA RIGHT? TODAY, UH, THAT 2024 DATA.
UM, BUT I, UM, I FOLLOWED UP LAST, UH, MONTH'S MEETING WITH THE, THE EMAIL TO THE CHIEF AND KATE ABOUT, UM, THE QUESTIONS I HAD ABOUT YOUR REPORT.
AND I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S GONNA BE, UM, ANY ANSWERS ABOUT THOSE THINGS.
THERE WERE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, UM, THAT I HAD ASKED, AND I, I MEAN, I COULD, WE SAID THAT WE COULD, THAT YOU DIDN'T WANT ME TO EMAIL IT TO THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS 'CAUSE OF THE BROWN ACT, BUT MEANWHILE, LIKE THERE'S DEFINITELY PENDING, I HAVE PENDING QUESTIONS ABOUT THE REPORT AND HOWEVER YOU WANNA DO THAT, THAT'S FINE.
ABOUT, UM, SECOND ALSO ABOUT THE, THE, ABOUT THE CITY DEMOGRAPHICS, EVEN UNDERSTANDING THE FACT THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE COMING IN FROM OUTSIDE
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OF PETALUMA.UM, THERE'S NO DENYING WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE CHARTS THAT YOU'RE SEEING A LOT OF ORANGE AND, UM, AT, AT, I WONDER AT WHAT, AT, THIS IS JUST ABOUT TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION.
I'M WONDERING AT WHAT POINT DOES IT INITIATE, LIKE MAYBE WE SHOULD LOOK INTO THIS MORE ABOUT WHY WE'RE SEEING SUCH A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF ONE COMMUNITY THAT IS, UM, THAT IS, THAT IS, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT IS, UH, BEING SUBJECTED TO POLICE ACTION.
UM, SO LIKE MORE OF A QUALITATIVE WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.
LIKE, IT, IT, DOES IT SEEM LIKE IT'S NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL? AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN WHY NOT? AND IF IT IS EVEN A LITTLE BIT OF A BIG DEAL, LIKE WHAT HAPPENS, WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS TO FIGURE OUT IF, IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S SOME DISPARITY GOING ON? YEAH, WELL, DISPARITY, THERE CLEARLY IS, OH, I MEANT DISPARITY, I MEANT DISCRIMINATION.
BUT DISPARITY IS, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT DOES NOT EQUAL BIAS.
UM, THERE ARE LOTS OF DIFFERENT EXPLANATIONS.
UM, SO FIRST OF ALL, WITH RESPECT TO THE, UH, THE, THE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THAT YOU HAD WITH RESPECT TO THE REPORT, UH, WE CAN GO THROUGH THOSE.
UM, WE DID ADDRESS ALL OF THOSE COMMENTS, THOUGH IN THE REPORT ITSELF, WHICH I GUESS WILL BE PUBLISHED AS PART OF THE AGENDA TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING WILL BE PUBLISHED SOMETIME NEXT WEEK.
UM, BUT AGAIN, WE, WE TOOK THE COMMENTS FROM, UH, YOU AND MR. DUFFY AND MR. LELAND, UM, AND LOOKED AT THEM AND, UH, TRIED AS BEST WE COULD TO ANSWER THE COMMENTS OR ADDRESS THE ISSUE IN THE BODY OF THE REPORT, UH, OR FOOTNOTES OF THE REPORT.
UM, THE, THE POINTS THAT WERE MADE BY EVERYONE WERE EXCELLENT POINTS AND, UH, MADE THE REPORT BETTER.
SO WITH RESPECT TO THE, THE DISPARITIES AND THE INTERPRETATION, THAT IS REALLY BEYOND THE SCOPE OF THE IPA.
THERE ARE ACADEMICS AT, UH, UNIVERSITIES THAT DEAL IN THIS KIND OF STUFF, UH, AND, UH, WHO FRANKLY REGULARLY DISAGREE WITH ONE ANOTHER, UM, ABOUT THE INTERPRETATIONS WHICH CAN BE MADE, UM, FROM THIS DATA.
IT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE BROUGHT, UH, DR.
FIDEL INTO KIND OF, UH, GET EVERYONE AN UNDERSTANDING, A BASIC UNDERSTANDING OF, UH, OF WHAT THIS DATA CAN BE USED FOR AND THE, THE CAUTIONS THAT GO WITH, UM, ANY INTERPRETATION OF THE DATA ITSELF.
UM, SO I JUST TO, JUST TO, SO I'M NOT CONFUSED.
SO THE DATA IS THE DATA AND THAT'S, WE JUST, YOU LOOK AT THE DATA AND AT, AT, YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T ANALYZE IT AS THE POLICE AUDITOR? CORRECT.
BEYOND DOING WHAT WE'VE, WE'VE DONE, WHICH IS REALLY NOT AN ANALYSIS, IT'S MORE A, A PRESENTATION OF THE DATA.
UM, BUT IT, AN ANALYSIS REALLY IS BEYOND NOT ONLY THE SCOPE OF THE CONTRACT, BUT IT IS A, AN AREA OF EXPERTISE THAT WE DON'T INTERNALLY POSSESS.
SO, CLARIFYING QUESTION OR ON THAT IS IF THERE WAS CLAIMS OR ACCUSATIONS MADE ABOUT RACIAL PROFILING OR RACIAL DISCRIMINATION, THE IPA WOULD LOOK INTO THAT, CORRECT? YES, WE WOULD CERTAINLY, AND AS I SAID, WE ARE LOOKING QUALITATIVELY INTO, UH, INTO EVERY FORCE INCIDENT, EVERY PURSUIT, EVERY COMPLAINT.
SOME OF THE COMPLAINTS, UM, MAY IN FACT ALLEGE SOME ASPECT OF, UH, RACIAL MOTIVATION OR RACIAL PROFILING.
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TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY DO, WE LOOK INTO THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT THE INVESTIGATION WAS AN APPROPRIATE ONE, UM, THROUGH A RANGE OF DIFFERENT, UH, DIFFERENT CRITERIA THAT WE, WE LOOK AT.DOES THAT ANSWER THE QUESTION? YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE DIDN'T WALK AWAY THINKING THAT THAT RACIAL PROFILING, RACIAL UH, DISCRIMINATION WASN'T SOMETHING THAT IPA LOOKED AT.
IT, IT, THAT IT'S JUST SPECIFIC TO THE DATA THAT YOU'RE PRESENTING HERE, THAT YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE NOT, UH, INTERPRETING OR MAKING FINDINGS BASED ON THE QUALITATIVE DATA.
OTHER THAN THE NUMBERS SPEAKING FOR THEMSELVES, WE'RE NOT ATTRIBUTING ANY, UM, ANY REASON FOR THE NUMBERS BEING WHAT, WHAT THEY ARE.
AND I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY HAVING A SORT OF OVERVIEW, DEMOGRAPHIC BREAKDOWN WILL HELP.
BECAUSE AS, UM, AS COMMITTEE MEMBER OFFICER SAID, THAT'LL SORT OF REALLY HELP US FRAME, IF YOU SEE A LOT OF ORANGE IN A PARTICULAR BAR, DOES, IS THAT FAIRLY REPRESENTATIVE OF THAT DEMOGRAPHIC GROUP OR IS THAT AN OUTLIER? SO, YOU KNOW, THE ORANGE IF IS REFERRING TO HISPANIC OR LATINO, WHICH IS 21% OF OUR POPULATION IN THE CITY OF PETALUMA BASED ON THE LAST CENSUS DATA.
AND I COULD, IF I COULD JUST OFFER TOO, I JUST WANNA REALLY REINFORCE MAYBE SOME OF THE COMPONENTS THAT, THAT THE IPA WAS STATING IS, SO JUST AS YOU MAY RECALL, WHEN, WHEN PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED THE METHODOLOGY IN WHICH THE IPA REVIEWS EVERY INCIDENT, THEY START FROM THE, UH, THE IMPETUS OF THAT EVENT AND LOOK AT THE CONSTITUTIONAL APPLICATIONS AND IMPLICATIONS, THE PROBABLE CAUSE, THE REASONABLE SUSPICION, AS WELL AS WHAT THE QUALIFYING EVENT IS THAT'S SUBJECT TO THE AUDITING.
AND SO THROUGH THAT PURVIEW, THEY'RE LOOKING AT EACH OF THOSE EVENTS THROUGH, WAS THERE JUSTIFICATION FOR THE STOP? WAS THERE BIAS OR MOTIVATION INTO THAT STOP? DID, WAS IT REASONABLE? WAS THERE PROBABLE CAUSE? AND WE WERE HAVING THOSE REVIEWS AND THOSE ANALYSIS ON ALL THOSE CASES.
AND THEN AGAIN, IF, UM, TO REINFORCE THE TWO OF DUTY DATA AUDIT.
SO THAT IS A COMPREHENSIVE MULTI-DAY, UH, REVIEW OF EVERY CALL FOR SERVICE, EVERY EVENT, EVERY CASE NUMBER, EVERY ARREST PACKAGE, ALL OF OUR BODY-WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE THAT THE AUDITOR REVIEWS.
AND SO THEY'RE CHECKING NOT ONLY FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE REPORTING OF THESE TYPE OF INCIDENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CAPTURING THE DATA AND OUR STAFF ARE DOING WHAT THEY'RE EXPECTED TO DO.
AND AS JEFF NOTED, WE HAD SOME MISSED OPPORTUNITIES WHERE OUR STAFF DIDN'T REPORT.
WE HAVE, SOMETIMES THOSE ARE HINDRANCES FROM TECHNOLOGY.
SOMETIMES THERE'S CONFUSION BETWEEN ONE OFFICER AND THE OTHER OFFICER THERE, AND THEY'RE UNDER A MISUNDERSTANDING OF WHO'S DOING THAT.
UM, BUT WE'RE WORKING ON IMPROVING THAT AND PUTTING IN BETTER TECHNOLOGY SOLUTIONS TO CAPTURE THAT DATA.
UM, BUT THEY'RE ALSO MAKING SURE THAT THE, THAT THE INFORMATION THAT'S BEING, UM, IMPORTED INTO THOSE IS ACCURATE TO WHAT THEY'RE SEEING ON OUR BODY-WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE IPAS REALLY HIGHLIGHTING THE QUALITATIVE ANALYSIS.
THEY'RE SEEING THAT TO SOME DEGREE, UM, IN REAL TIME CONTEMPORARY, UH, TO THE INCIDENTS THAT THEMSELVES THAT WE'RE REVIEWING ON THOSE WEEKLY REVIEWS.
AND, UM, AGAIN, WE DEFINITELY HEAR YOU ON THE BENCHMARKS.
I WAS JUST AT RECENT CAL CHIEFS, UM, TRAINING IN RIVERSIDE, CALIFORNIA AND ATTENDED A PRESENTATION ON RIPA.
I THINK 'CAUSE IN THE, IN THE PROFESSIONAL POLICING, WE'RE STRUGGLING TO IDENTIFY WHAT ARE THE BEST PRACTICES AND WHAT ARE THE MOST APPROPRIATE BENCHMARKS.
AND WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS, IS MY COUNTERPARTS IN THE INDUSTRY AT THE EXECUTIVE LEVEL DON'T HAVE CLARITY ON WHAT THAT IS.
WE'D WELCOME SOME STANDARDIZATION THERE.
FIDEL TALKED ABOUT, SOMETIMES SOME OF THE MOST ACCURATE AND LEAST BIASED, UM, INFORMATION IS, IS COLLISION DATA BECAUSE NO ONE, NO ONE CAN PREDICT THEY'RE GONNA BE IN A COLLISION.
AND THAT'S, UH, REFLECTIVE OF YOUR COMMUTER KIND OF POPULATION AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING AND GOING THROUGH YOUR COMMUNITY.
THERE'S, UM, CONVERSATIONS ABOUT IS IT, IS IT YOUR SCHOOL DEMOGRAPHICS OF YOUR YOUTH? IS THAT MORE REFLECTIVE OF YOUR ACTUAL, UM, YOUR COMMUNITY THAN, THAN THE CENSUS DATA INFORMATION? UH, BUT I THINK TO SOME DEGREE, UM, WE, WE WELCOME FURTHER DISCUSSION AND INPUT ON WHAT THOSE BENCHMARKS ARE IN THE FUTURE.
BUT I THINK IT'S, IT'S, AGAIN, IT'S GOOD CONTEXT.
AND, AND I THINK IT'S BACK TO THAT WHOLE QUESTION OF RATHER THERE, WE, WE RECOGNIZE THERE ARE
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DISPARITIES, BUT WHAT IS CONTRIBUTING TO THAT, IF ANYTHING? AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE, WE, UM, HAVE APPRECIATED AND BENEFIT IMMENSELY FROM THE IPA'S REVIEW AND THAT QUALITATIVE ANALYSIS EACH WEEK OVER ALL THE EVENTS THAT WE'RE SEEING.UH, YOU AND MR. SNY MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS SOME UNDER-REPORTING.
UM, I KNOW YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT COULD YOU GIVE US A BALLPARK? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT 1%, 10%, 50% UNDER REPORTING? YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE KNOW THE TOTAL PERCENT.
WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS, UM, SOME, SOME INCIDENTS BY NATURE OF WHAT THEY ARE, A TRAFFIC STOP, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, A RIPA UH, REPORT, A FIELD REPORT IS REQUIRED ANYTIME SOMEONE'S BEING DETAINED.
AND, UH, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A COMPLICATED TERM, BUT BASICALLY IF YOU'RE PULLED OVER AND YOU'RE NOT FREE TO GO OR YOU'RE CONTACTED BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER AND THEY'VE STOPPED YOU ON A, AN INTERACTION, UM, AND YOU CAN'T JUST WALK AWAY FROM IT, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO AN INVESTIGATION, ASK YOU FOR YOUR ID, UM, DO SOME, SOME OTHER ACTIONS THERE.
THOSE ARE QUALIFYING INTERACTIONS THAT REQUIRE A REPORT.
SO WE KNOW BY NATURE, UM, A TRAFFIC STOP REQUIRES A RIPPER REPORT.
SO OUR TECHNOLOGY PRODUCT AND OUR CARS, IF THEY DO A, A TRAFFIC STOP, IT REQUIRES THEM TO ENTER ONE OF THOSE.
HOWEVER, IF WE ARE WALKING DOWN THE STREET, AND I WAS TO ENCOUNTER YOU AND I CAN, LIKE ANYONE, UH, HAVE CONSENSUAL INTERACTIONS, I CAN TALK TO ANYONE AND I MAY NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DETAIN YOU AND YOU COULD EASILY WALK AWAY, THAT WOULD NOT NECESSARILY QUALIFY.
THERE ARE OTHER CASES WHERE I SAY, HEY, UM, CHAIR MILLER, STOP, YOU KNOW, I NEED TO TALK TO YOU.
WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY SOMETIMES IN OUR, IN OUR TECHNOLOGY SOFTWARE TO, TO DIFFERENTIATE THOSE TWO AT THIS TIME.
AND IT'S INCUMBENT ON THE OFFICERS AND OUR TRAINING AND OUR POLICIES AND THESE AUDITS TO CAPTURE THAT THEY ARE IN FACT DOING THOSE THINGS.
AND THOSE ARE BEING INCORPORATED IN PART OF OUR REVIEWS.
AND WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT SOME TECH, OTHER TECHNOLOGY SOLUTIONS THAT SHOW DAILY REPORTING OF RIPA CARDS THAT ARE BEING ENTERED.
AND WE CAN SEND, HOPEFULLY LOOK AT OUR SHIFT ACTIVITY AND SEE THAT THEY ARE RELATIVELY, UM, COMPARABLE AS AS WE EXPECT.
I GOT, UH, ONE MORE QUESTION FOR, UH, MR. STENGER.
I NOTICED ON THE REPORT THAT IT USES THE TERM TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS.
SHOULD THAT BE SUSPECTED TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS OR, OR IS THAT NUMBER INDICATIVE OF ACTUAL VIOLATORS, RIGHT.
PEOPLE THAT WERE PULLED OVER AND WERE WERE PROVEN TO BE VIOLATING A TRAFFIC LAW? OR ARE, DOES THAT NUMBER INCLUDE ANYONE WHO HAS SUSPECTED OF A VIOLATING A TRAFFIC LAW? AND IF THEY WEREN'T, THAT'S WHERE THEY FALL INTO THE NONE CATEGORY? LIKE IS THERE SOME CLARIFICATION ON THAT? YEAH, SO AS I UNDERSTAND IT, AND UH, PLEASE CHIEF, IF, UH, YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT UNDERSTANDING, CHIME IN.
UH, WHO IS WHO, WHO THE REASON FOR THE STOP IS A SUSPECTED TRAFFIC VIOLATION.
UH, IF THEY ARE ULTIMATELY GIVEN A WARNING, THEN THAT'S THE RESULT OF THAT ENCOUNTER OR THE ACTION TAKEN IN THAT ENCOUNTER.
IT, IT, IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THAT TRAFFIC VIOLATION, WHICH WAS THE REASON FOR THE STOP, IS ULTIMATELY, UH, SUSTAINED, UH, OR THE INDIVIDUAL FOUND LIABLE FOR IT.
AND THEN WE BREAK THAT DOWN INTO THE THREE CATEGORIES THAT I MENTIONED.
YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S COMPLETELY ACCURATE.
AND I WOULD SAY IT'S SAME WITH ANY OF THE, UH, YOU KNOW, CRIME CATEGORIES.
MANY OF THE CASES FOR THE 2024 DATA, THOSE INCIDENTS HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN ADJUDICATED.
SO IT WOULD JUST BE THE, THE SAME FOR ARRESTS, TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS, ANY, ANY VIOLATION ARE ALL ALLEGED OR SUSPECTED AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
UM, I, I'M FAIRLY CRITICAL OF RIPPA AND I THINK MOSTLY BECAUSE IT'S STILL CHANGING AND I WASN'T VERY IMPRESSED BY 2022 AND 2020 THREE'S.
NOT PETALUMA SPECIFICALLY, BUT THE ONE THAT WAS PUT OUT WITH THE COLLECTION OF ALL THE DIFFERENT AGENCIES.
UM, I'M WONDERING IF, UM, MR. SCHLANGER, IF YOU EVER READ ANY OF THE CRITICISMS FROM POR ACT, WHICH FOR THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW, IS THE PEACE OFFICERS RESEARCH ASSOCIATION AND, UM, SOME OF THEIR CRITIQUES OF THINGS.
AND THEN DO YOU TAKE, BECAUSE IT, IT KIND OF SEEMS LIKE EACH YEAR THE REPORT CHANGES A BIT, BUT
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IT'S ALMOST REACTIONARY VERSUS, LIKE, YOU, WE ALL FIND OUT AFTER THE REPORT HAS BEEN PUBLISHED THAT THINGS WERE CHANGED OUT OF THE REPORT.LIKE, UM, THE VEIL OF DARKNESS, WHICH WAS IN ONE, ONE REPORT WAS REMOVED IN 2023 FROM 2022, OR THEY FOCUS ON MENTAL HEALTH OR YOUTH CONTACTS IN ONE REPORT AND THEY DON'T IN ANOTHER.
DO, DOES THE DEPARTMENT USE THAT AND, AND, AND TALK WITH THE OFFICERS ABOUT, OKAY, WELL NOW IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE FOCUSING ON THIS, IT SEEMS LIKE THE DATA, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ANALYZING THE DATA THIS WAY, SO LET'S MAKE SURE WE'RE CONSIDERING THESE THINGS.
IS THERE, AND THIS MIGHT BE MORE OF A CHIEF MILLER QUESTION, BUT ARE THERE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE OFFICERS AFTER THESE REPORTS COME OUT, NOT JUST FOR THE PETALUMA DEPARTMENT, BUT AFTER TALKING ABOUT LIKE THE STATEWIDE, UH, REPORT AND HOW THAT MIGHT AFFECT AND INFORM FUTURE REPORTS? DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE? WHAT I'M KIND OF TRYING TO, TO GET AT? YEAH, NO, IT, IT, IT, IT DOES AND, UH, I TRY TO KEEP UP WITH THE LITERATURE AND THE, THE CRITICISM AND AS I'M SURE EVERYONE CAN GUESS, THERE IS A, A LOT OF CRITICISM OF, OF THESE REPORTS.
I STARTED ACTUALLY WITH SOME OF THE FIRST DATA COLLECTION IN LOS ANGELES, UH, BACK IN EARLY 2000 AND, AND ONE.
AND SO THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A LONG TIME, NOT STATEWIDE, BUT, UH, IN LOS ANGELES.
IT WAS A MANDATE OF A, A CONSENT DECREE THERE.
UM, AND THERE WAS CONTROVERSY BACK THEN.
UH, THE TOOLS THAT EXISTED EXIST NOW, DIDN'T EXIST BACK THEN, STARTED ON PAPER FORMS. AND, UH, SO THINGS HAVE PROGRESSED IN SOME WAYS, BUT THE INTERPRETATION OF THE DATA AND WHAT IT SHOWS, UH, STILL IS AS MUCH AN ENIGMA TO, UH, TO ACADEMICS, UM, AS IT WAS IN EARLY 2001.
SO, UH, I CAN'T AN ANSWER THE QUESTION RELATIVE TO THE CONVERSATIONS, UH, WITH OFFICERS.
UH, I DO NOTE THAT, UH, OVER THE YEARS, UH, THERE HAVE HAS BEEN SOMEWHAT OF A, A BACKLASH FROM SOME OFFICERS FROM RELATIVE TO THE, THE IMPLICATION THAT THEY ARE, UH, RACIST WHEN IN FACT THESE DISPARITIES, UH, ARE JUST A RESULT OF THEIR ORDINARY DAILY ACTIVITIES.
IT'S A, IT'S A MILIEU AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT IS ULTIMATELY GOING TO BE RESOLVED.
AND, UH, IT, IT IS ENTIRELY POSSIBLE THAT SOME OF THE FUNDING FOR THESE PROJECTS, UH, MAY BE WITHDRAWN, UH, BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
UH, I SEE THAT AS A, A POTENTIAL AS WELL.
I'LL, I'LL JUST BUILD ON THAT AND MAYBE ALLOW MEMBERS OF MY TEAM TO CHIME IN AS WELL.
BUT I, WE DEFINITELY, WE HAVE AWARENESS TO THE DATA.
I THINK THERE'S SENSITIVITIES WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT.
UM, WE'VE GOT WELL, WELL INTENDED STAFF THAT ARE CRITICAL AND, AND CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, WHAT THE DATA LOOKS LIKE AND, AND, UH, PERCEPTIONS THAT, THAT ARE REFLECT OTHERWISE ON HOW THEY VIEW THEMSELVES AND HOW THEY WANT TO BE SERVING OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, ONE OF THE STRUGGLES THAT I WILL TELL YOU THAT OUR STAFF, UH, DO EXPRESS SOME FRUSTRATIONS ABOUT RIPA IS IT HAS A REQUIREMENT THAT YOU MAKE A PERCEPTION OF SOMEONE.
AND IT'S INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT AS SOMEONE WHO WORKED ON NIGHT SHIFT AT GRAVEYARD.
UM, MANY TIMES AT NIGHT WHEN YOU'RE STOPPING A CAR, YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN THE CAR, WHAT ETHNICITY OR RACE THAT THEY ARE, BUT THIS, THIS REQUIREMENT REQUIRES YOU TO, AT THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY WHERE YOU BELIEVE YOU CAN IDENTIFY SOMEONE, REPORT THAT, AND THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DISCONNECT ON THE TRAFFIC STOP THAT'S BEING INITIATED, HAD POTENTIALLY NO KNOWLEDGE OF WHOM THE PERSON, GENDER, RACE, ETHNICITY, WHATNOT, NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS, UM, UNTIL YOU WALK UP TO THE DOOR OF THE CAR.
AND THAT'S WHEN YOU CAN OBSERVE THE PERSON.
AND EVEN THEN SOMETIMES THE, THE, THE HAVING TO IDENTIFY SOMEONE, UM, THEIR GENDER OR RACE IS, UH, IS DIFFICULT OR AWKWARD OR, UM, IT CAN BE PERCEIVED OTHERWISE.
AND IT COMES BACK TO THAT PERCEPTION, SO THAT THAT CAN BE A REALLY CHALLENGING
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PIECE.I HAVE SEEN SOME INTERESTING REPORTS THAT LOOK AT, UM, THE, THE, THE REPORTED, UM, ETHNICITIES AND RACES AND DEMOGRAPHICS IS DIFFERENTIATING THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN DAYTIME TRAFFIC STOPS AND NIGHTTIME TRAFFIC STOPS.
AND INTERESTINGLY, IN THOSE REPORTS, THEY FIND THAT WITHIN, UM, STATISTICALLY IN DIFFERENT, UM, REPORTING NUMBERS, THAT, THAT THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF THE REPORTING ARE RELATIVELY IDENTICAL, SHOWING THAT WHETHER YOU CAN SEE INTO THE VEHICLE OR NIGHT THE GENERAL OBSERVATIONS OF THE POLICE OFFICERS ARE RELATIVELY CONSISTENT.
UM, BUT AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE THAT LEVEL OF ANALYSIS HERE, BUT I KNOW THAT WE FEEL REALLY STRONGLY THAT OUR STAFF ARE APPLYING THE LAW EQUALLY AND EQUITABLY THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY AND TRYING TO DO AN EFFECTIVE JOB IN WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
UM, I WILL SAY THE ONE THING THAT'S, THAT'S CHALLENGING AS AN EXECUTIVE, WHEN WE'RE ENCOURAGING OUR STAFF TO BE INCREDIBLY PROACTIVE AND WORKING HARD THROUGH THEIR SHIFT, UM, WE HAVE HAD TO ADAPT OUR RESOURCING AND OUR TIME MANAGEMENT AS DOING MUCH OF THESE PAPERWORK.
I THINK THERE'S UPWARDS, UH, LIEUTENANT AVIANO, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT ALMOST 30 DROPDOWN BOXES, UM, THAT THEY HAVE TO, AFTER EVERY TRAFFIC STOP ON THEIR MOBILE COMPUTER WHILE SITTING IN THEIR CAR, DO EACH ONE OF THESE TABS.
WE DO SEE SOME, SOME INACCURATE REPORTING WHERE IF YOU'VE EVER USED THE DROPDOWNS ON YOUR PHONE, YOU CAN EASILY SELECT THE WRONG ONE.
AND AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, OFFICERS ARE TRYING TO GO QUICKLY FROM CALL TO CALL, BUT WE'VE SEEN THAT THIS AVERAGE IS AN INCREASED TIME FOR, FOR ANY INTERACTION OF THREE TO FIVE MINUTES.
UM, AND SO THAT THAT HAS DEFINITELY, UM, CAUSED SOME, SOME CHANGE IN OUR OPERATIONAL MODEL.
YOU'VE ALSO SEEN SOME STAFF THAT ARE LIKE, UH, I'M, I'M LESS INCLINED TO DO MORE, UM, BECAUSE I HAVE TO DO THIS.
AND THAT'S COUNTERPRODUCTIVE AND COUNTERINTUITIVE TO WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT OF BEING A PROACTIVE DEPARTMENT WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, INCREASE OUR TRAFFIC SAFETY BY DOING TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT OR TAKING QUALITY OF LIFE ENFORCEMENT AND, AND MAKING INTERACTIONS WITH INDIVIDUALS.
SO WE'VE HAD TO ADAPT AND WORK THROUGH SOME OF THOSE CHALLENGES, BUT THOSE SEEM TO BE THE FRICTION POINTS THAT WE ENCOUNTER AT TIMES WITH OUR STAFF.
JUST ONE, ONE NOTE HERE, UH, AND I THINK IT MAY BE OBVIOUS TO ALL OF ALL OF YOU, BUT BACK WHEN I STARTED THIS IN LOS ANGELES, THERE WERE NO BODY CAMS. AND NOW THERE ARE, AND UH, THAT MAKES A HUGE, HUGE DIFFERENCE IN TERMS OF OUR ABILITY TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT INCIDENTS, UH, QUALITATIVELY, UM, BUT ALSO MAY HOLD THE KEY TO GREATER AUTOMATION FOR QUANTITATIVE ANALYSIS AS WELL WHEN COMBINED WITH AI.
SO I'M SURE THERE WILL BE NEW TECHNOLOGY ON THE HORIZON TO, TO HELP WITH THIS.
IT'S PROBABLY MORE FOR, UM, CHIEF MILLER.
HOW DOES THIS WORK WHEN THERE'S A STOP THAT REQUIRES MULTIPLE DIFFERENT AGENCIES? ARE WE MAKING SURE THAT THREE DIFFERENT AGENCIES AREN'T SUBMITTING, OR ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO SUBMIT THEM BECAUSE THEY TECHNICALLY ALL HAD CONTACT? AND ARE WE COMPARING IF CHPS ON THE SCENE IN PETA PD, ARE THEY BOTH SUBMITTING ONE? DO YOU, IF YOU KNOW, SO, SO I DO KNOW, I'M GONNA MAYBE LET LIEUTENANT AVIANO ANSWER THIS QUESTION.
'CAUSE WE'VE ENCOUNTERED THIS, AND THIS SPECIFICALLY CAME UP IN THE TOUR OF DUTY DATA AUDIT WHERE MULTIPLE OFFICERS ARE GOING ON.
I KIND OF REFERENCED, YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE, UM, IT'S THE PRIMARY OR THE OFFICER THAT HAD THE MOST INVOLVEMENT, BUT WE'VE RUN INTO SOME COMPLEXITIES IN GARRETT.
MAYBE YOU CAN SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFICALLY ON HOW WE'VE COMBATED THAT AND WHAT WE'VE PUT IN PLACE NOW TO, TO MITIGATE THOSE ISSUES.
IT'S THE, THE, UH, OR THE DEPARTMENT WITH THE MOST INVOLVEMENT OF THE OFFICER WITH THE MOST INVOLVEMENT.
SO WHAT, AFTER THE DATA TOUR ANALYSIS, WHAT WE'VE LOOKED AT IS, UM, SO THE TWO DAY PERIOD OF THAT ANALYSIS, THERE WERE SIX INCIDENTS IN WHICH THE RIPPLE WASN'T SUBMITTED, AND THERE WERE VARYING DEGREES OF WHAT THOSE INCIDENTS WERE.
UM, SO SINCE THEN, WHAT WE'VE DONE IN ALL THE, THE USE OF FORCE, SHOW FORCE OR PURSUITS THAT WE, AND COMPLAINTS, UM, THAT WE'RE SENDING TO THE IPA, WERE, WE'RE VERIFYING THAT THAT RIPPLE FORM, UM, HAS BEEN COMPLETED.
UM, AND WHAT WE'RE FINDING IS IN THOSE INCIDENTS WHERE THERE ARE MULTIPLE OFFICERS ON SCENE WITH VARI VARIOUS DEGREES OF INVOLVEMENT, UM, THERE, THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME, UM, CONFUSION AT TIMES AS WHO'S TAKING CARE OF IT.
SO WE'RE WORKING TO RECTIFY THAT AND, UH, GO BACK AND MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE IN FACT COMPLETE.
SO IT'S JUST ANOTHER LAYER OF, UM, AUDITING, UM, FOR, FOR THE SYSTEM.
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TO KIND OF PIGGYBACK ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THE CHIEF WAS TALKING ABOUT, IT'S, SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE WITH RIPPA ALSO THAT IT'S ALL INCIDENTS IN WHICH SOMEBODY IS DETAINED.SOME OF THOSE, THE OFFICER DOESN'T HAVE DISCRETION.
SO IF WE'RE, IF THE COMMUNITY MEMBER CALLS IN AND REPORTS A CRIME, UM, WE'RE GONNA CONTACT THE PERSON THAT MOST LIKELY IS INVOLVED IN THAT CRIME.
THE OFFICER DOESN'T, DOESN'T GET TO CHOOSE THAT THAT IS CHOSEN FOR THEM IN MANY REGARDS.
UM, SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE THE DISTINCTION FROM A CALL FOR SERVICE IN A PROACTIVE CONTACT.
UM, I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD DESCRIBE FORCE VERSUS NON FORCE.
I DON'T KNOW WHO TO DIRECT THAT TO, BUT WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF FORCE YOU WANNA TAKE THAT CHIEF? YEAH, SO IT JUST AS IN THE QUALIFYING CATEGORIES, FORCE IS ANYTHING THAT IT SPECIFIC FOR US, WHAT WE MAKE SURE WE'RE CAPTURING IS FORCE IS ANYTHING BEYOND AND ABOVE OUTSIDE, UM, JUST SIMPLE HANDCUFFING.
SO IF YOU HAVE TO, UM, TAKE SOMEONE TO THE GROUND, YOU HAVE TO TACKLE THEM.
YOU USE ONE OF OUR, WHAT WE CALL A FORCE OPTIONS, WHICH IS PEPPER SPRAY, UM, COLLAPSIBLE BATON, UM, TASER DEVICE OR, OR A HANDGUN OR ONE OF OUR, UM, CANINES, FOR EXAMPLE.
THOSE WOULD BE FORCE, FORCE USED.
SO NOT ONLY WITHIN INCIDENTS ARE WE TRACKING WHAT THE INCIDENT IS ITSELF AND THE LAWFUL A APPLICATION OF WHAT THAT FORCE IS.
BUT ALSO IN THE, IN THE RAPID DATA, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF WINDFORCE USED ON WHICH, UM, COMPONENTS OF THE POPULATION ARE THOSE INDIVIDUALS.
UM, AND SO AGAIN, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT QUALITATIVELY THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE LOOKING AT THAT AND MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S NOT BIAS IN OUR APPLICATION OF FORCE.
I THINK THE OTHER THING THAT WE DIDN'T TOUCH ON, UM, THAT WAS KIND OF COMPONENT OF THE BENCHMARKING IS WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT ARREST DATA WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT PEOPLE FROM AND OUTSIDE OF THE COMMUNITY, BOTH WITHIN SONOMA COUNTY, WITHIN PETALUMA, AND WITH OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTY AREA.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO, TO CAPTURE THAT, TO GET A BETTER REFERENCE POINT ON, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT DATA LOOKS LIKE.
AND ON THAT NOTE, I WAS WONDERING IF WE COULD HAVE DATA, UM, VERSUS RESIDENTS VERSUS NON-RESIDENTS IN THAT DATA SO THAT WE WOULD GET A BETTER DEMOGRAPHICS.
YEAH, SO IN, IN SOME OF THESE RIPPA CONTEXT, WE DON'T CAPTURE ALL THE DATA BECAUSE MANY OF THE INTERACTIONS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT, UM, THERE'S NO OTHER FURTHER INVESTIGATION.
THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THOSE CATEGORIES, NO ACTION WAS TAKEN.
SO WE MAY HAVE LAWFUL, UH, REASON TO STOP SOMEONE, UM, SOMETIMES BASED ON THE NATURE OF THOSE INTERACTIONS, WE, THAT COULD BE A VERY SHORT DURATION AND THEN THE PERSON IS, IS RELEASED, BUT THE OFFICER IS STILL REQUIRED TO DO THAT, THAT RIPA REPORTING.
SO WE DON'T ALWAYS HAVE ALL THAT COMPREHENSIVE DATA, BUT I WILL SAY THAT WE'RE, WE ARE TRYING TO IDENTIFY AND CAPTURE AND DISPLAY THOSE TYPE OF COMPONENTS WHERE WE CAN, AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO CONSIDER THAT THE INDIVIDUAL DOESN'T HAVE TO PRESENT A DRIVER'S LICENSE OR AN ID OF SOME SORT.
UH, THESE, THEY WOULD ON A TRAFFIC STOP, BUT TRAFFIC STOPS AS INDICATED IS ONLY ONE OF THE COMPONENTS OF THIS.
UM, WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ALSO REFUSE TO IDENTIFY THEMSELVES AT TIMES.
AND SO WE TRY TO WORK THROUGH THOSE ISSUES.
BUT, UM, I, I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION AND, AND DEFINITELY WE ARE COMMITTED TO TRYING TO FIGURING OUT THOSE AND WE, WE ARE EVALUATING AND TRYING TO, TO CAPTURE THAT DATA AND DISPLAY IT WHERE WE CAN.
ALSO, THAT NUMBER WAS QUITE DIFFERENT BETWEEN, UM, 486 VERSUS 87.
YOU WANNA EXPLAIN HOW THAT, IS THAT JUST BECAUSE WE'RE USING THE BEST PRACTICES OR WE CHANGED OUR METHOD? SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NUMBER OF USES OF FORCE, FORCE VERSUS NON FORCE.
AND I, I WROTE DOWN IN MY NOTES 486 VERSUS 87 FROM 2023 TO 2024.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANNA GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE.
FOR 2023 AND 87 FOR, AND THEN YOU GO TO 20 24, 24 AND IT'S 87.
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CAN, CAN WE HAVE AN EXPLANATION OF WHY IT WOULD BE SO THAT DRASTIC? ARE WE DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT? SO COUNCILWOMAN NOW ON THE NEXT TWO SLIDES, IT, IT, THE CATEGORIES JUMP FROM LIKE THEY ALMOST DOUBLE AND SO IT'S JUST FROM 23 TO 24, THERE'S, IT, IT, THEY GET MORE GRANULAR INTO THE BREAKING DOWN OF WHAT'S FORCED AND WHAT'S NOT FORCED, I THINK IS, IS THE REASONING BEHIND IT.BECAUSE THE WAY I'M LOOKING AT IT'S, THAT'S A DRASTIC CHANGE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANNA EXPLAIN IT BETTER DESCRIBING IT TO, UM, PEOPLE THAT ARE READING THIS REPORT, THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
'CAUSE I WOULD THINK THEY WOULD'VE THE SAME QUESTION.
YEAH, I THINK PART OF IT IS THE APPLES TO APPLES CHANGING IT, IT WASN'T REALLY APPLES TO APPLES ENTIRELY BECAUSE OF THE, OF THE CHANGE IN, IN REPORTING.
UM, MY OTHER QUESTION IS THE AGE DEMOGRAPHICS OUR COMMUNITY IS, IS AGING AND HOW IS THE DEMOGRAPHICS CHANGING? AND YEAH, WE, WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION AND WE COULD, COULD DO AN ANALYSIS OF THAT.
AND BY THE WAY, I I THINK IN CHIEF, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THE TOTALITY OF THE DATASET IS AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.
ALL OF OUR DATA IS IMMEDIATELY, UM, TRANSMITTED TO THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AND IT'S ON THERE IN ITS AGGREGATE FORM AND ACCESSIBLE.
I'M ALSO NOTICING A LOT MORE JUVENILES ON THESE E-BIKES AND
SO I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THE DEMOGRAPHICS WAS GONNA SHOW THE YOUNGER POPULATION DOING BETTER OR WORSE AND OUR OLDER POPULATION, OLDER DRIVERS ARE MORE LIKELY TO HAVE AN ACCIDENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I THINK THAT WAS ALSO KIND OF ONE OF MY CRITIQUES, AND IT'S NOTHING WITH, UM, INTEGRA OR PETALUMA POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT WHEN THEY COMPILE THE STATE REPORTS, THEY, THIS, THEY DECIDE THE COMMITTEE DECIDES WHAT THEY'RE GONNA PUT EXTRA EMPHASIS ON.
AND THOSE CATEGORIES, I KNOW WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT A PIECE HERE, BUT THIS GOES INTO A BIGGER PIECE AND THAT'S WHAT I FIND REALLY INCONSISTENT IS ONE YEAR THEY REALLY CARE ABOUT YOUTH.
AND, UM, I THINK I WROTE DOWN THAT IN YOUTH CONTACTS THEY WEREN'T SPECIFYING WHETHER IT WAS AT SCHOOL OR NOT, WHICH I THINK IS IMPORTANT.
ARE THEY THERE BECAUSE THEY WERE CALLED TO THE SCHOOL AND THIS IS SOMETHING WHERE THEY'RE, THEY HAVE NO CHOICE.
THEY WERE CALLED TO, OR THEY, IS IT AN E-BIKE SITUATION WHERE THEY STOP SOMEBODY BECAUSE THEY'RE FLYING DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD ON THEIR E-BIKE? AND THAT TO ME IS SUPER IMPORTANT AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, THERE'S A REQUIREMENT FOR US TO REPORT CERTAIN THINGS, BUT THEN I THINK IT KIND OF GETS EXTRAPOLATED HOWEVER THEY WANT TO ON, ON THE MORE BROAD LEVEL.
AND THEN WE HAVE THESE QUESTIONS LIKE, WELL, IN 2023, THEY SHOWED US THIS IN 2024 THEY SHOWED US THAT.
AND IT JUST IS KIND OF, TO ME, IT SEEMS A LITTLE, MAYBE THEY'RE JUST STILL WORKING OUT HOW THEY WANT TO DO IT, BUT IT SEEMS REALLY HARD TO COMPARE THE YEARS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT COMPARING THE SAME STUFF.
SO THE, THE QUESTIONS AND THE, THE FIELD OF ENTRIES ARE, ARE MANDATED AND MANDATORY.
WE ALSO IN SONOMA COUNTY ARE PART OF A TECHNOLOGY CONSORTIUM, AND SO WE USE THE SAME DISPATCHING PLATFORMS, THE SAME INFORMATION STORAGE SYSTEMS. AND SO OUR COUNTY AT VALID AGENCIES, UH, USES THE SAME PRODUCT.
AND SO YOU CAN ADD ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, BUT WE HAVE TO BE STANDARDIZED AMONGST ALL OF OUR, OUR COUNTERPARTS.
SO WE'RE SOMEWHAT LIMITED ON WHAT ADDITIONAL CLARIFYING INFORMATION WE CAN CAPTURE AND HOW TO DO THAT.
BUT WE ARE CONFINED TO THE MINIMUM OF THE, THE PRE PREDEFINED QUESTIONS AND FIELDS THAT ARE PROVIDED BY THE STATE.
UH, I KNOW THIS IS A LOT OF DATA AND SO I'M, I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO SORT OF DELVE INTO ANALYSIS A LITTLE BIT.
BETWEEN 2023 AND 2024, OUR TRAFFIC STOPS ARE SORT OF OUR, BY FAR THE LARGEST NUMBER OF SORT OF POLICE INTERACTIONS.
AND I COULD SEE THAT THE NUMBER OF SORT OF EQUIPMENT VIOLATIONS STOPS SORT OF DROPPED BETWEEN 2023 AND 2024, WHICH I THINK IS A, IS A POSITIVE TREND LINE.
UM, DO YOU MAYBE WANNA SPEAK TO SORT OF, WERE THERE SORT OF DEPARTMENT CHANGES, CHANGES IN SORT OF LIKE, I, I'M ASSUMING THAT SORT OF THE NUMBER OF CARS COMING THROUGH PETALUMA THAT WOULD HAVE SOME SORT OF EQUIPMENT VIOLATION IS PROBABLY PRETTY CONSISTENT BETWEEN 2023 AND
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2024.SO WAS THIS SORT OF AN EDICT OR DIRECTION OFFICERS TO SORT OF DE-EMPHASIZE THAT OR SORT OF WHAT WOULD YOU SORT OF CORRELATE THAT TREND LINE TO? I, I THINK IT'S A COMBINATION OF THINGS.
UH, SO AS YOU RECALL, WE, WE, UH, WE'VE IMPLEMENTED A PROGRAM, THE LIGHT'S ON REALLY TRYING TO CREATE ANOTHER PATH FOR PEOPLE TO, TO GET THEIR VEHICLES IMPROVED AND ADDRESS.
I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PRIORITIZATION OF OUR RESOURCES AND OUR AREAS OF FOCUS, WHAT WE CALL IN INTERNALLY, OUR SERVICE PRIORITIES, WE'RE FOCUSING ON THINGS THAT INCREASE TRAFFIC SAFETY.
AND SO WHILE I APPRECIATE REGISTRATION VIOLATIONS AND I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD PROPERLY INSURE THEIR VEHICLES AND PROPERLY REGISTER IT, UM, WHEN MY OFFICERS ARE PATROLLING DOWN THE ROADWAY, I WANT THEM MORE FOCUSED ON WHAT WE CALL PRIMARY COLLISION FACTORS.
SO, UM, PRIMARY COLLISION FACTORS ARE THINGS THAT ARE GENERALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT ARE ATTRIBUTING TO COLLISIONS, SPEEDING, UH, UNSAFE LANE CHANGES, RUNNING RED LIGHTS OR STOP SIGNS IMPAIRED DRIVING, DISTRACTED DRIVING, FOLLOWING TOO CLOSELY RIGHT AWAY VIOLATIONS.
THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'RE SEEING THAT ARE CAUSING COLLISIONS IN OUR INJURING COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
UM, EQUIPMENT VIOLATIONS ARE IMPORTANT AND THEY'RE A COMPONENT OF OUR JOB.
UM, WE SEE CERTAIN COLLISIONS, YOU KNOW, HAPPENING BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE LIGHTING EQUIPMENT OR THEIR BRAKE LIGHTS DON'T WORK.
BUT, UM, MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, IT'S, IT'S THE MOVING VIOLATIONS.
AND SO WHEN WE HAVE TO PRIORITIZE OUR TIMES, OR AS I STATED, WHEN YOU'RE SPENDING MORE TIME DOING THE, THE ADMINISTRATIVE INPUT TASKS, OUR STAFF ARE DEFINITELY INCENTIVIZED TO BE MORE FOCUSED ON THOSE TRAFFIC SAFETY INITIATIVES.
AND, AND I WOULD SAY THAT WE'D ALSO SUPPORT THAT AS WELL.
I THINK WE SEE THAT THAT'S BEING THE, THE ULTIMATE GOAL, BUT WE DO FROM A QUALITY OF LIFE STANDPOINT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE HAVING A CONVERSATION EARLIER JUST THIS EVENING ABOUT VEHICLE REGISTRATION ISSUES.
SO THERE IS STILL A TENSION THERE, BUT THAT, THAT IS NOT, UM, WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR PRIORITIES, THE, THE THE HIGHEST PRIORITY
UH, IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO, UM, OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE PRESENTATION ITEM AND ASK SPEAKERS TO BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE, THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY.
AND WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY PRIOR TO THE MEETING, ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS TOPIC ITEM? MM-HMM
UM, WE'LL BE MOVING ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE, PRESENTATION ON THE 2024 POLICE DEPARTMENT ANNUAL REPORT.
I'D LIKE TO OPEN THE PRESENTATION ITEM AND ASK SENIOR MANAGEMENT ANALYSTS KATE MCCOY TO PRESENT ON THE TOPIC.
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
SO NOT AM ONLY AM I YOUR CLERK, BUT I'M GONNA BE PRESENTING TO YOU TODAY ON OUR 2024 ANNUAL REPORT.
AND, UM, THIS IS, UH, A PRESENTATION THAT I'M GIVING AND SO WE ARE LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, SOME FEEDBACK ON THIS.
SO THE 2024 YEAR IS, UM, IS GONNA BE THE THIRD YEAR THAT WE'VE DONE AN ANNUAL REPORT.
WE HAVE 2022 AND 2023, AND THOSE ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT, UM, THAN THIS ONE.
WE WANTED TO BE MORE INFOGRAPHIC.
AND, UM, THEN THE PREVIOUS ONES, THE OTHER ONES WERE PRETTY LONG AND GET VERY INTO THE, INTO THE WEEDS ABOUT WHAT WE DO AS A DEPARTMENT, OUR ORGANIZATION AND THE DIVISIONS.
SO, UM, WHAT I WANTED TO FIRST SHOW YOU HERE IS, UH, OUR 2024 ANNUAL REPORT.
THIS ONE IS REALLY FOCUSED ON OUR FOUR SERVICE PRIORITIES.
THE FIRST IS BEING REDUCING CRIME, INCREASING TRAFFIC SAFETY, IMPROVING QUALITY OF LIFE, AND, UH, ENGAGING WITH THE COMMUNITY.
AND THAT'S HOW WE DEVELOPED AND WROTE THIS, UH, ANNUAL REPORT WAS BASED ON AND CATEGORIZED BY THESE SERVICE PRIORITIES.
AS YOU CAN SEE, WE ALSO TALK ABOUT OUR MISSION AND OUR VALUES, AND ALSO A LETTER TO THE PETALUMA COMMUNITY FROM OUR CHIEF.
UM, SO THAT'S HOW WE HAVE IT THERE.
ALRIGHT, SO FIRST ONE, REDUCING CRIME.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANNA SHOW YOU THAT OVERALL WE HAVE SEEN A REDUCTION IN CRIME AS OPPOSED TO THE PREVIOUS YEAR, WHICH IS WHAT YOU CAN SEE THE COMPARISON TO OF 2023.
UM, TOTAL CALLS FOR SERVICE, UM, THAT IS INCLUDING ALL THE POLICE CALLS FOR SERVICES WHERE THEY'VE GONE OUT.
UH, IN ADDITION TO SOME ADDITIONAL ONES THAT DISPATCH HAS TAKEN ON, UM, THAT'S INCLUDING SAFE, UH, DISPATCH, CUSTOMER SERVICE CALLS AND SOME OTHER NON-EMERGENCY CALLS THAT THEY ALSO TAKE IS THE FIRST NUMBER, 58,351 CALLS FOR SERVICE WHERE PD PD RESPONDED.
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4,240 POLICE REPORTS AND, UH, 1,693 ARRESTS.UM, AND AS THOSE NUMBERS YOU CAN SEE, UM, SHOW THE DECREASE FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR, BUT WE DID HAVE AN INCREASE IN, UM, OUR SAFE CALLS FOR SERVICE THAT WAS UP BY 19%.
ADDITIONALLY, UM, WE HAVE OUR, UH, CRIMES BY GROUPS THAT'S NATIONWIDE.
UM, SO DECREASE IN PROPERTY CRIMES FROM 23 WAS DOWN AS WELL AS DECREASE IN CRIMES AGAINST PERSONS AND DE DECREASE IN CRIMES AGAINST SOCIETY.
AND JUST, UM, FOR EVERYONE TO, TO KNOW IF, UM, JUST QUICKLY, NOT ALL INCLUSIVE, BUT CRIMES AGAINST PERSONS.
SOME EXAMPLES WOULD INCLUDE ASSAULT, MANSLAUGHTER, RAPE, ROBBERY, CRIMES, UH, AGAINST PROPERTY BURGLARY, FRAUD ID, THEFT, MOTOR VEHICLE THEFT, SHOPLIFTING, VANDALISM, AND SOCIETY IS DISORDERLY CONDUCT, DUI, TRESPASSING AND DRUG RELATED OFFENSES AS WELL AS WEAPONS VIOLATIONS.
NOW THAT'S NOT ALL INCLUSIVE, THESE ARE JUST EXAMPLES TO SHOW YOU.
AND KATE, CAN I JUST INTERJECT REAL QUICK? SURE.
JUST, I JUST WANNA FRAME THE, WHAT THE, THE INTENT OF THE PRESENTATION IS TONIGHT.
SO THIS IS VERY MUCH OUR WORKING DRAFT.
WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF PREPARING IT, AND WHAT WE WANT IS WE'RE SHARING A, A DIFFERENT WAY OF PRESENTING IT THIS YEAR.
AND SO WHILE I, I I HOPE YOU FOCUS ON THE DATA, I ALSO WANT YOU TO FOCUS ON WE'RE SOLICITING FEEDBACK FROM YOU AS COMMUNITY MEMBERS ON DOES IT MAKE SENSE AND IS IT, IS IT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR? AND SO AS KATE'S WALKING YOU THROUGH EACH OF THE SERVICE PRIORITIES, I HOPE WHEN SHE CONCLUDES THAT YOU CAN OFFER LIKE, DID SOMETHING NOT MAKE SENSE? DID, DID THIS, YOU WANT TO SEE THIS? DID WE, DID WE NEED TO ADD IT OR REFRAME THE INFORMATION THERE? THIS IS, UH, VERY MUCH MEANT TO BE AN ENGAGEMENT TOOL WITH OUR COMMUNITY TO SHARE WHAT WE THINK ARE SOME OF OUR NOTABLE ACCOMPLISHMENTS ARE, BUT ALSO GIVE THE PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT'S OCCURRING IN OUR COMMUNITY IN ALIGNMENT WITH THESE FOUR SERVICE PRIORITIES.
SO I JUST WANTED TO OFFER THAT.
SO AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT, MAYBE DON'T DRILL DOWN SO MUCH ON THE ACTUAL NUMERICAL AMOUNTS, BUT LOOKING AT THOSE CATEGORIES AND DO THEY MAKE SENSE? AND IF THEY DON'T, WE'D WELCOME YOUR FEEDBACK OR IF THEY DO MAKE SENSE, HIGHLIGHT THAT FOR US AND WE'LL EMPHASIZE IT ON EACH OF THE PRIORITIES.
INCREASING TRAFFIC SAFETY, UM, IS ONE OF OUR PRIORITIES.
IT'S VITAL TO ING, UM, COMMUNITY WELLBEING.
WE HAD, UH, YOU KNOW, NOT GOING OVER ALL THE DETAILS, BUT UH, WE BROKE DOWN TRAFFIC STOP VERSUS TRAFFIC CITATIONS, DUI ARRESTS.
AND WE WANTED TO EMPHASIZE WE DO THESE THINGS TO PREVENT FROM WHAT'S HAPPENING BELOW.
SO WE RESPONDED TO 425, UH, TRAFFIC COLLISIONS AND WE ALSO WANTED TO THOUGHT IT WOULD BE GOOD INFORMATION TO PUT IN PEAK TIMES THAT WE NOTICED FOR 2024.
SO THE PEAK TOP THREE ACCIDENT TIMES WAS 12 TO ONE, FIVE TO SIX, AND SEVEN TO EIGHT.
UM, AND ALSO WE, IT'S JUST VERY TIMELY WHEN YOU WERE MENTIONING THE ELECTRIC BIKES, UH, I KNOW THAT'S A TOPIC THAT'S VERY, UH, IMPORTANT TO THIS COMMITTEE AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, UM, THE COMMUNITY.
WE'VE BEEN SEEING A HUGE INCREASE.
AND SO WE DID DO A COMMUNITY, UM, EFFORT, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT E-BIKE SAFETY, SO WE WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT AND INFORMATION.
'CAUSE AS YOU'VE SAID, YOU SEE A LOT OF YOUTH, UM, IN THE AREA.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, A LOT OF 'EM ARE, ARE YOUNGER AND HAVEN'T EVEN, DON'T EVEN HAVE A DRIVER'S LICENSE.
AND SO THEY HAVEN'T BEEN TRAINED IN THE RULES OF THE ROAD AND YET THEY'RE OUT THERE ON ELECTRIC BIKES.
UM, AND ALSO WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT WE DID HAVE, UM, OTS GRANTS, WHICH IS OFFICE OF TRAFFIC SAFETY.
AND THAT'S WHAT FUNDED, UM, SOME GREAT CAMPAIGNS THAT WE HAD.
WE HAD A FEW DUI CHECKPOINTS AS WELL AS, UH, TRAFFIC SAFETY PSA CAMPAIGN ON THE DANGERS OF, UM, DRUNK DRIVING.
THIRD IS THE IMPROVING QUALITY OF LIFE.
UM, AND THESE ARE JUST TOPICS AND PROGRAMS WE WANTED TO REALLY HIGHLIGHT THAT GO ABOVE AND BEYOND JUST PATROL.
UM, SO WE WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT SPECIFICALLY CERT AND SAFE AND CERT IS OUR COMMUNITY IMPACT RESPONSE TEAM, A SPECIALIZED TEAM THAT FOCUSES ON QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES.
IT'S MORE PROACTIVE STREET LEVEL OPERATIONS AND PROBLEM SOLVING.
UM, THEY HAD FOUR 50 CALLS FOR SERVICE, WHICH WAS ACTUALLY UP 55%.
AND SO WE WANTED TO BREAK DOWN WHAT THAT WAS VISUALLY, UM, WITH ONE OF OUR CERT MEMBERS, OFFICERS OVER THERE AND THEN SAFE, UM, WHICH HAS BEEN REALLY SUCCESSFUL EVERY YEAR.
AS YOU CAN SEE, WE, UH, AN INCREASE IN THEIR RESPONSE TO CALLS FOR SERVICE.
AND WE'VE SEEN, YOU KNOW, 5,355 CALLS FOR SERVICE THAT THEY RESPONDED TO IN 2024, WHICH IS ABOUT 9% OF OUR TOTAL CALLS FOR SERVICE.
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UH, YEAH, NEXT ONE.AND THEN WE HAVE THE FOURTH SERVICE PRIORITY, WHICH IS ENGAGING THE COMMUNITY.
AND SO WE WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT.
UM, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IS A PART OF COMMUNITY POLICING, WHICH IS VERY MUCH A PART OF HOW WE OPERATE AS A POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND WE HIGHLIGHTED THIS IS NOT ALL INCLUSIVE OF EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE DONE, BUT SEVERAL OF EXAMPLES WITH CHIEF FOR A DAY, YOU KNOW, SCHOOL LUNCHES WHERE THE CHIEF AND COMMAND STAFF GOES OUT AND, AND INTERACTS WITH STUDENTS AT THE LOCAL SCHOOLS.
UH, YOU KNOW, COFFEE WITH A COP, OUR 4 81 DISPLAY, UH, LEADERSHIP, PETALUMA, K NINE, DEMOS, PARADES, ALL OF THESE THINGS.
SO WE WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT, UM, AS WELL AS OUR DISTRICT POLICING, SINCE OUR, UH, COMMUNITY IS DI DIVIDED UP INTO 15 DISTRICTS, AND EACH DISTRICT HAS TWO OFFICERS ASSIGNED TO THAT.
AND, UH, WE'VE STARTED A CAMPAIGN, OR OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT LIAISON HAS ALSO HELPED, UM, FACILITATE WITH THE OFFICERS.
UM, DEPENDING ON YOUR DISTRICT, YOU CAN SIGN UP AND ON A QUARTERLY BASIS, THEY HAVE A, A NEWSLETTER THAT GOES OUT.
AND, UH, AND THE LAST PAGE, FINALLY, WE HAVE THE, WE WANNA HEAR FROM YOU.
THIS IS HOW TO GET AHOLD OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, EMERGENCY, NON-EMERGENCY SAFE, OUR SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNTS FOLLOWING US.
WE HAVE A LOT OF GREAT INFORMATION OUT THERE.
AND WE ALSO WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT, UH, YOU GUYS AND YOUR, AND YOUR, IN THE PS A C, UH, COMMITTEE AND LETTING PEOPLE KNOW WHEN WE'RE HAVING THESE MEETINGS, UM, AS WELL AS HOW THEY'RE ABLE TO VIEW ONLINE.
SO WE WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT, AND THAT, WITH THAT, THAT IS THE CONCLUSION OF MY PRESENTATION.
I KNOW IT WAS PRETTY GO AHEAD.
SO I, I THINK THE TEAM DID A FANTASTIC JOB ON THIS, AND THE ONE THING I WAS LOOKING FOR MM-HMM
WAS LIKE, OH, WELL, HOW DO YOU GET MORE INFORMATION? AND IT'S, BAM, THE LAST PAGE.
SO YOU GUYS DID A, A REALLY, REALLY GOOD JOB.
UM, AND I THINK A LOT OF INFORMATION, IT'S, I THINK IT'S ENLIGHTENING FOR FOLKS TO BE ABLE TO SEE LIKE SOME, LIKE 20% OF OUR CALL, OUR ARRE, OUR ARRESTS, OR DUI ARRESTS MM-HMM
RIGHT? LIKE, THAT'S A HUGE ISSUE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND PEOPLE I THINK DON'T APPRECIATE HOW BIG OF A PROBLEM THAT IS.
AND I THINK OUR NUMBERS ARE WHAT THEY ARE, BECAUSE WE HAVE VERY PROACTIVE OFFICERS.
I, YOU KNOW, THAT REALLY GO OUT THERE AND TRY AND KEEP THE COMMUNITY SAFE AND GET THOSE FOLKS OFF THE ROAD.
UM, BUT IT'S, UH, I DON'T KNOW.
I THINK YOU GUYS DID A GOOD JOB OF PUTTING A LOT OF INFORMATION IN HERE TO HELP ENLIGHTEN THE COMMUNITY ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON.
IT WAS A, UH, TEAM EFFORT,
AND ALSO, I WANTED TO ADD, IT'S REALLY NICE HOW YOU MAKE IT SIMPLE, EASY TO DI MM-HMM
I DON'T NEED TO BE A PH TO UNDERSTAND ALL YOUR NUMBERS.
IF I WANT TO, I CAN GO AT THE END AND THEN GO TO THE BACKGROUND AND DO AS MUCH AS I WANT.
BUT THIS IS FOR PEOPLE, EASY TO KNOW WHERE WE ARE.
AND, UH, A SHOUT OUT TO YOUR PUBLIC RELATIONS, THE SOCIAL MEDIA, LIKE THE AD CAMPAIGN FOR NEW YEAR'S.
I WAS EVEN TALKING ABOUT IT AT A NEW YEAR'S EVE PARTY.
UM, THE OTHER THING I WOULD WANT A LITTLE DESCRIPTION OF IS WHAT DO WE CONSIDER A TOP CALL FOR SERVICE? IT WAS SLIDE NUMBER TWO UNDER REDUCING CRIME, NOT THE Q CHIEF MILLER ONE.
IT SAYS, TOP CALLS FOR SERVICE LOCATIONS.
AND IT'S OF COURSE TOO SMALL TO READ ON THIS SLIDE, BUT COULD YOU KIND OF, I DON'T KNOW WHAT A TOP CALL WOULD BE.
YOU TOLD ME YOU WERE GONNA CUT IN.
WE WERE, THERE'S A COMMUNITY EFFORT HERE.
SO ON THIS HEAT MAP, THAT ONE, LIKE THE BIGGEST RED.IS I BELIEVE WASHINGTON SQUARE PLACE.
SO, YES, AND IF YOU LOOK IT, YOU KNOW, SCROLL DOWN ON THAT PAGE, THE NUMBER TWO CALL, OR NUMBER TWO ARREST IS THEFT.
AND SO THAT WOULD CORRELATE TO WHERE SOME OF OUR, LIKE THERE'S A HEAT MAP SPOT THERE.
THERE'S A, ANOTHER, UH, SIGNIFICANT ONE OVER AT THE OUTLET MALL.
AND SO IT KIND OF CORRELATES TO YES.
WHERE SOME OF THE OUR SHOPPING CENTERS ARE AND YEAH.
IT'S LIKE WHERE THE, THAT IT'S LIKE WHERE THE CASA GRANDE ADOBE CREEK GOLF COURSE AND THE YOUR HEAT DOT ISN'T THAT, YEAH.
IS THAT'S, IS THAT CLASSIC GRANDE? THAT'S IT IS.
UM, SO SOME OF THESE IN ANY DATA THAT WE DISPLAY, WE OFFSET LOCATIONS FOR BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN, YOU CAN GET THIS SAME, UH, FUNCTIONALITY ON WHAT WE CALL OUR COMMUNITY CRIME
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MAP ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WEBSITE.SO IT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD, WELL, THESE ARE SLIGHTLY OFFSET, BUT YOU, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THE, THE MAPPING IS CALLS PER LOCATION.
SO THIS IS SHOWING THE INTENSITY OF CALL VOLUME, NOT SPECIFIC BY WHAT TYPE OF INCIDENT NECESSARILY, BUT JUST WHERE ARE WE GOING AND WHERE ARE OUR OFFICERS RESPONDING TO THE MOST CALLS FOR SERVICE.
SO INTERSECTIONS, SHOP, SHOPPING CENTERS, LARGE APARTMENT COMPLEXES WITH HIGH DENSITY ARE GONNA BE CLEARLY THE AREAS THAT WE RESPOND TO THE MOST.
BUT IT GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT OF AN IDEA, YOU KNOW, DE DEFINITELY THE DOWNTOWN AREA, THERE'S LOTS OF ACTIVITY.
WE ARE THERE OFTEN, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT, THAT RELATIVELY SPEAKING, WE'RE KIND OF ALL OVER THE CITY AND IT'S, AND IT'S EQUITABLE.
AND WHERE WE SERVE AND WHERE WE SEE CALL DEMAND BELOW, WHERE YOU WENT TO THE TOP CALLS BY TYPE THAT IS NUMERICALLY BASED ON THE NUMBERS OF, OF INCIDENTS WITH THE HIGHEST NUMBERS BY CALL, BY BY INCIDENT TYPE.
AND SO WE'RE SEEING TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
YOU'RE SEEING ACTIVITY OF INTENSITY THROUGHOUT THE CITY BY AREA.
AND THEN BELOW YOU'RE SEEING ACTIVITY INTENSITY BY NUMERICAL VALUE BY TYPE.
AND THEN I WOULD JUST SAY, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA MISS AN OPPORTUNITY, THIS WILL BE AN INTERACTIVE REPORT.
SO WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS HERE, THERE'S SOME FUNCTIONALITY THAT SAYS, CLICK HERE AND DO THIS.
YOU'LL HAVE THAT ONCE WE RELEASE THIS ELECTRONICALLY.
BUT AGAIN, ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WEBSITE, WE HAVE A COMMUNITY CRIME MAP WHERE YOU OR ANY COMMUNITY MEMBER CAN SEARCH AREAS OF THE CITY OR CALL TYPES AND DURATIONS LAST YEAR, THIS YEAR, LAST 30 DAYS, AND DO ANY TYPE OF REPORTING WITH MAPPING FUNCTIONALITY LIKE THIS IS AVAILABLE, UM, TO THE PUBLIC AT ALL TIMES.
UM, ALSO ON YOUR, I THINK IT'S THE NEXT SLIDE WITH THE, UM, SEE WHERE IT SAYS CLICK HERE FOR E-BIKE SAFETY.
MAKE THAT WORD E-BIKE BIG AND BOLD.
I'M SAYING THAT IS BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY, THESE JUVENILES ARE BEING GIVEN THESE AS GIFTS, HOLIDAYS, BIRTHDAYS, AND BECAUSE THEY'RE COMING DOWN IN PRICE, SO THEY'RE AVAILABLE TO MORE OF THE COMMUNITY.
THEY ARE HEAVY AND THEY'RE GOING TO HURT SOMEONE.
AND THERE'S NO, YOU, YOU CAN'T SEE A LICENSE PLATE.
YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T EVEN REPORT THEM.
IT SAYS, OH, THEY'RE WEARING A BLUE SHIRT.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE WEARING A HOODIE.
YOU, YOU CAN'T EVEN DESCRIBE WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE.
SO, SO WE WELCOME THOSE REPORTS EVEN WITH LIMITED DESCRIPTION,
BUT, UH, WE GET A LOT OF QUESTIONS CURRENTLY ABOUT ORDINANCES OR REGULATIONS.
AND THE CURRENT STATE LAW FOR MANY OF THE ONES THAT WE ARE SEEING, THEY ARE NOT E-BIKES.
THEY REQUIRE A DRIVER'S LICENSE, A MOTORCYCLE'S LICENSE.
YOU HAVE TO BE OVER THE AGE OF 16.
YOU HAVE TO BE WEARING A HELMET.
YOU HAVE TO BE A SINGLE RIDER, AND YOU'RE NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO RIDE 'EM ON THE PUBLIC ROADWAY.
SO I SEE THEM IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD ON MY WALKING TRAILS.
UM, WE'VE HAD A FEW, UH, VEHICLE PURSUITS WHERE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TAKING OFF FROM OFFICERS ON THEM.
AND WE HAVE TO EVALUATE IN THOSE COMPLICATED SITUATIONS WHETHER TO CONTINUE OR NOT.
BUT WE ABSOLUTELY WANT THE REPORTS WE'RE LOOKING TO FOR WAYS TO BE, UM, UH, TO HANDLE THE ENFORCEMENT COMPONENTS OF IT AND THE COMPLEXITIES WITH IT.
UM, BUT WE ARE TRYING TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC.
SO THIS WILL BE INTERACTIVE BACK TO OUR MATERIALS THAT OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT LIAISON MCCARTHY, UH, HAS, HAS CREATED FOR US THAT WE SHARE AT ALL OF OUR COMMUNITY EVENTS.
WORD OF MOUTH WILL HELP US AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN HIGHLIGHT AND EMPHASIZE IT THROUGH THIS ANNUAL REPORT.
I JUST HAVE ONE MAYBE STUPID QUESTION.
ON THE CRIMES, UM, PAGE, IT'S CRIMES AGAINST PROPERTY, CRIMES AGAINST PEOPLE.
WHAT'S CRIMES AGAINST SOCIETY? IS THAT YEAH.
DOES EVERYBODY KNOW WHAT THAT IS? NO, NO.
SO, CRIMES AGAINST SOCIETY, NOT ALL INCLUSIVE, BUT SOME EXAMPLES OF THAT WOULD BE, UM, DISORDERLY CONDUCT, DUIS, TRESPASSING, DRUG RELATED OFFENSES AND WEAPONS VIOLATIONS.
'CAUSE I THINK, I THINK WE JUST, AS IN, UH, MS. NINA AND NINA, UH, SPOKE AT GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT'S ALWAYS TALKS IN ACRONYMS OR THE STANDARDIZED LANGUAGE CRIMES AGAINST SOCIETIES, KIND OF THE FEDERAL OFFENSE CODE CATEGORY.
AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO ADHERE TO, TO MAKING SURE WE'RE HIGHLIGHTING THAT EXACT QUALIFYING CATEGORY, BUT SOMETIMES WE NEED HELP GETTING OUT OF OUR OWN WAY AND EXPLAINING IT TO THE LAY PERSON AND THE PUBLIC.
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I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY THE FEEDBACK WE'RE LOOKING FOR, AND, UH, TRYING TO EXPAND ON THOSE MOMENTS.SO WHERE THE DATA DOESN'T MAKE SENSE OR THE LANGUAGE DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, WE ABSOLUTELY WANT TO HEAR THOSE COMMENTS FROM THE COMMITTEE.
WELL, I'LL CHIME IN AND SAY, UH, I THINK IT LOOKS EXCELLENT AS WELL.
I THINK, UM, IN TERMS OF THE EFFORT TO MAKE IT MORE GRAPHICAL AND, AND INTERESTING VISUALLY.
UH, AT THIS POINT, UH, I'D LIKE TO OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE PRESENTATION ITEM AND ASK SPEAKERS TO BRING THEIR CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY.
UM, HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING? OKAY.
BUT I WILL ALSO SAY WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THIS PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
CONGRATULATIONS ON A VISUALLY COMPELLING AND, AND INTERESTING AND, AND GRAPHICALLY, UH, ARRESTING, UH, PRESENTATION.
I'LL, I'LL JUST OFFER SOME, UH, FEEDBACK FROM, UH, A, A GRAPHICS SENSIBILITY REALM.
AND, UH, THERE'S A CONVENTION, UH, THAT WHITE TYPE ON A BLACK BACKGROUND IS NOT AS READABLE AS WHITE TYPE, EXCUSE ME, BLACK TYPE ON A WHITE BACKGROUND.
THIS IS, UM, AND WITH, WITH CHIEF MILLER'S, UH, COMMENTS KIND OF LEADING OFF, UM, AND YOU CAN TEST THIS YOUR YOURSELVES, BUT I, I'D ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONSIDER THE, UH, UM, DAVID OGILVY'S, UM, SCHOLARSHIP ON, ON THIS.
IT, UH, READABILITY IS COMPROMISED WHEN THINGS ARE IN ALL CAPS, WHEN YOU USE A SOUNDS, SOUNDS, SERIF, UH, TYPE PHASE, ET CETERA.
SO YOU, YOU MIGHT JUST WANNA LOOK AT, UM, WHAT'S GRAPHIC AND INTERESTING AND WHAT POPS AND WHAT LOOKS GOOD AND WHAT IS IN FACT READABLE BECAUSE YOU WANT PEOPLE TO READ THE CHIEF'S REMARKS.
YOU, YOU WANT THE MESSAGE TO, UH, TO STICK.
AND, UH, CHAIR MILLER, I DO WANNA SAY WE ARE GETTING CLOSE TO SEVEN 30.
SO WE HAVE, UH, A QUITE A FEW COMMENTS.
SO WE SHOULD PROBABLY DO THE VOTING AND MOTION TO APPROVE FOR THE EXTENSION OF 15 MINUTES.
UH, AT THIS POINT, WE'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO EXTEND THE MEETING BY 15 MINUTES.
VERDE,
SO WE HAVE SIX MINUTES TILL THE END MEETING.
BUT WHAT IS LEFT TO DO? OH, WE HAVE COMMITTEE COMMENT.
IPA COMMENT AND STAFF COMMENT.
CAN WE VOTE JUST ON TIME? MAYBE IF WE'RE ALMOST DONE, WE MAY NOT NEED TO EXTEND OR, UH, JUST WHATEVER.
I THINK TO BE CLEAR, THE EXTENSION WOULD BE TO ALLOW YOU TO GO PAST THE, THE DESIGNATED TIME.
IF WE DON'T NEED THE TIME, WE'RE DEFINITELY NOT GOING TO CONTINUE BEYOND WHAT'S MISSING.
I THINK GO, I THINK, I THINK YOU ARE TOTALLY WITHIN YOUR REALM TO SAY NO.
AND WHAT I WILL PROBABLY DO IS START TO X OUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE LEFT TO DO SO THAT WE CAN FINISH THIS IN FIVE MINUTES OR LESS.
I HAVE A, WE CAN GO TILL AS NEEDED TILL 7 45.
WE'LL TRY, WE'LL TRY AND GO REALLY FAST.
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UP IT WAS THE COMMITTEE COMMENT.SO PSAC MEMBERS, WE WANT TO COMM CONTINUE OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND OUTREACH DISCUSSION.
UM, SO I'M INTRODUCING THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TOPIC.
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CALL ON THE IPA AND THE COMMITTEE TO PROVIDE ANY COMMENTS.SO, MR. CHAIR ON I'M SORRY, DID YOU WANNA GO FIRST? UH, I, I'M FINE.
I, I I WANNA SAY SOMETHING, BUT SURE.
UM, SO ON THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, ONE OF THE THINGS I HAD ASKED FOR, I THINK BACK IN DECEMBER-ISH WAS, UM, A LIKE KIND OF A HANDOUT OR, OR SOMETHING THAT WE CAN SHARE WITH THE COMMUNITY COMMUNITY AS WE GO OUT AND DO SOME OF THE OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT.
UM, DO WE KNOW IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE OR IS IT CLOSE TO BEING DONE OR? YEAH, AND SO I, I THINK I MAY HAVE REPORTED OUT LAST MEETING.
UM, BUT, UH, SO IN SPEAKING WITH COUNCIL OR CITY MANAGER FLYNN, UH, THERE'S A NUMBER OF COMMITTEES, BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
AND SO SHE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT FROM A CITY PERSPECTIVE, SHE'S WORKING WITH OUR COMMS TEAMS TO DO RECRUITMENTS AND MATERIALS FOR ALL OF THEM.
UM, BECAUSE IN, IN ALL OF OUR OPINION AT THE CITY STAFF SIDE, THEY'RE ALL EQUALLY AS IMPORTANT.
SO, UM, AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME, OUR DIRECTION HAS BEEN TO WAIT FOR THAT PROCESS FOR ALL THOSE TO ROLL OUT.
UM, AND SO WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE ANYTHING DRAFTING FOR, FOR THIS ONE.
UM, BUT OUR, OUR CITY COMMUNICATIONS TEAM IS WORKING ON THAT MORE BROADLY.
UM, I REMEMBER ALSO THAT, UM, A COMMITTEE MEMBER KEARNEY SAID, UH, ABOUT WHO WE SHOULD BE, LIKE THINKING ABOUT WHO WE SHOULD BE DOING OUTREACH TO.
AND FOR THE JANUARY MEETING, I HAD SENT AROUND TO PEOPLE THAT I WENT THROUGH THE, WENT THROUGH THE AD HOC COMMITTEE, UM, WHO WAS PART OF THAT.
AND I, I IDENTIFIED THE, THE, THE COMMUNITY GROUPS THAT WERE IN IT.
AND I DIDN'T GET IN TOUCH WITH EVERYBODY, BUT I GOT IN TOUCH WITH EVERYBODY THAT I WAS ABLE TO GET AN EMAIL ADDRESS AND I KIND OF, IT WASN'T SO OUT OF THE BLUE BECAUSE THEY AT LEAST KNOW WHO I AM A LITTLE BIT.
UM, AND SO I SENT 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 EMAILS TELLING 'EM THAT WE'RE HERE THAT IN JANUARY THAT WE WERE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
I DID ALL THIS AND NO ONE RESPONDED.
I ACTUALLY WENT TO SEE A FEW FAMILIES AND I TOLD 'EM, YOU SHOULD COME AND UNDERSTAND AND FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE POLICE AND WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH THEM.
AND SO, OH, THAT SOUNDS GREAT.
YEAH, I DID IT ON NEXTDOOR, THE, LIKE, THE LIKE COMMUNITY APP AND I WAS LIKE, THIS IS WHO WE ARE.
THIS IS HOW YOU GET PICKED FOR THE COMMITTEE.
WE CAN'T BE PART OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND I GOT LIKE TWO LIKES, BUT IT'S OUT THERE SO PEOPLE CAN ALWAYS LOOK AT IT.
BUT I DO THINK THE INFOGRAPHICS THAT YOU GUYS MADE, EVEN IF WE CAN RESHARE THOSE, I MEAN, I JUST WAS WRITING TEXTS, SO THEY'RE LIKE, OH, OKAY, GREAT.
BUT A LOT OF THOSE REALLY FUN INFOGRAPHICS WILL BE HELPFUL.
I IMAGINE IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, BECAUSE THIS COMMITTEE WAS SORT OF BORN OUT OF THE AD HOC, UH, COMMITTEE THAT WAS SORT OF BEGAN WITH SORT OF THE GEORGE FLOYD INCIDENTS, RIGHT? THAT IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE WHEN SOMETHING HAPPENS, YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE STATE OR NATIONALLY, RIGHT? THAT'S PROBABLY WHEN A LOT OF THESE OUTREACH THAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE, EMAILS THAT PEOPLE MAYBE DIDN'T RESPOND TO BUT SAY, THAT'S PROBABLY WHEN THEY'LL WANNA REACH OUT TO YOU.
SO IT, IT MAY BE SOMETHING WHERE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT REALLY ISN'T NECESSARILY THE COMMUNITY GETTING BACK TO US ON THESE THINGS, BUT JUST KNOWING HOW TO GET AHOLD OF US, UM, IN THE EVENT THAT SOMETHING HAPPENS WHERE THEY REALLY DO FEEL LIKE THEY NEED SOME HELP, UM, COMMUNICATING WITH THE, WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SO I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS' EFFORTS, EVEN IF THEY DIDN'T NET ANY RESPONSES,
YEAH, AND I, I, I WOULD JUST OFFER TOO, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S THE ULTIMATE GOAL AND MAYBE THIS PORTION OF EACH MEETING GOING FORWARD IS THAT WHEN YOU HAVE OUTREACH OVER THE LAST MONTH, I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBERS TALK ABOUT WHAT MEETINGS, COMMISSIONS OR OR ACTIVITIES THEY WERE INVOLVED IN.
I THINK IT'S GREAT FOR THE COMMUNITY HERE, WHAT EVENTS OR ENGAGEMENTS OR IF YOU'VE PARTICIPATED IN ANY POLICE FUNCTIONS TO HAVE A REPORT OUT ON THOSE THINGS AND HIGHLIGHT AND SHARE THAT.
AND HOPEFULLY MAYBE IT'LL LEAD TO GENERATING PUBLIC INTEREST TO, TO ATTEND OR PARTICIPATE OTHERWISE.
SO I THINK THAT'S EXCELLENT UPDATE.
I KNOW IT WAS SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST ABOUT SORT OF, UM, EMAIL ADDRESSES.
LIKE IF FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE MAYBE JUST NOT COMFORTABLE GIVING OUT THEIR PERSONAL EMAIL ADDRESS, BUT WOULD LOVE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF LIKE CITY-BASED EMAIL ADDRESS THAT WOULD BE EASIER TO SHARE.
LIKE IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS SORT OF A DEFINITE NO IS NOT GONNA HAPPEN? OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S STILL BEING LOOKED INTO? I, I THOUGHT WE LOOKED INTO THAT WITH THE CITY'S CLERK'S OFFICE AND I THOUGHT THAT THE RESPONSE WAS, UM, TO CONTINUE USING YOUR, YOUR
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PERSONAL ONES, BUT I WILL CONFIRM AND WE WILL CIRCLE BACK AND HAVE THAT ANSWER BY THE NEXT MEETING.THAT'S MY RECOLLECTION AS WELL, BUT I DON'T RECALL THE DETAILS, HAVE IT IN HERE.
I I DON'T THINK I GOT A CITY EMAIL ADDRESS UNTIL MY LAST YEAR ON THE CITY COUNCIL, SO I'M NOT HOLDING MY BREATH ON THAT ONE, BUT IT'S A GOOD, I I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA THOUGH.
BUT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.
MOVING ON TO THE NEXO AGENDA ITEM, WHICH IS THE PSAC LONG RANGE CALENDAR.
UH, WE DID HAVE THE LONG RANGE CALENDAR THAT WAS PART OF THE HTML PACKET.
UM, ARE THERE ANY MEETING DATES AND OR POTENTIAL AGENDA ITEMS THAT THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP? SO JUST, UH, TO TEE UP MAYBE WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED FOR FOR NEXT MONTH.
SO WE JUST, IN DECEMBER, CULMINATED A THREE YEAR STRATEGIC PLAN.
UH, WE DID SOME SELF-REFLECTION AND RECOGNIZED THAT WE PROBABLY COULD HAVE DONE A BETTER JOB SOLICITING COMMUNITY INPUT ON HOW TO BUILD THAT PLAN AND WHAT OUR GOALS AND OBJECTIVES COULD BE.
AND SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO START ONE IN JANUARY WITHOUT BRINGING, BRINGING THAT ITEM TO THIS COMMITTEE.
SO OUR HOPE IS WE ARE VERY MUCH IN THE PRELIMINARY STAGES AND WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON WHAT A STRATEGIC PLAN IS, WHAT OUR HISTORICAL ONE WAS, AND FIND AND RECEIVE SOME DIRECTION FROM THE COMMITTEE ON BUILDING OUR, OUR NEXT ONE THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY IMPLEMENT IN THIS COMING JANUARY.
I THINK THE CALENDAR LOOKS GOOD GOING FORWARD.
UH, ONE THING THAT DID, UH, SORT OF COME UP FROM THE COMMUNITY FOR ME WAS SORT OF A GENERAL QUESTION ABOUT DRONES AND, UM, UH, LICENSE PLATE READERS.
UH, WOULD THAT SORT OF BE WELL COVERED UNDER THE UAS SLASH DRONE OPERATIONS AND POLICY 6 1 3? I WONDER IF MAYBE WE SHOULD PULL THAT FORWARD FOR MAYBE SEPTEMBER BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO BE SOMETHING THAT, UH, PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN.
YEAH, WE'RE HAPPY TO ADD THAT TO THE CALENDAR.
I ALSO THINK, UH, I MAY HAVE MENTIONED IN THE LAST MEETING, WE WILL COVER DRONE USE, UH, AT A HIGH LEVEL DURING THE MILITARY EQUIPMENT, UH, ANNUAL REPORT, WHICH IS IN JULY.
BUT, UM, I THINK WE CAN ABSOLUTELY CALENDAR THAT IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION OF THE COMMITTEE AND IF IT'S IT'S FITS COVERED AND AND SUFFICIENT IN JULY, YOU CAN ALWAYS PIVOT AND ADD SOMETHING IN ITS PLACE.
UM, THIS IS YOUR CALENDAR TO DEFINE AND GIVE US DIRECTION ON WHAT YOU'D LIKE US TO BRING FORWARD TO YOU.
YEAH, I THINK MAYBE, UNLESS ANYONE HAS ANY OBJECTIONS FOR SEPTEMBER, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THERE WAS ALSO SORT OF A COMMENT ABOUT, UM, PRIVACY AND SORT OF, YOU KNOW, MAYBE LESS ABOUT SORT OF THE USE OF DRONES AND MAYBE SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A DEEP DIVE INTO SORT OF PRIVACY CONCERNS.
WHERE DOES THAT DATA GO? WHERE DOES IT LIVE ON THE CLOUD? HOW DO YOU MAKE SURE THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT INVADING PEOPLE'S PRIVACY.
SO THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD AGENDA ITEM FOR, FOR SEPTEMBER.
IF, IF ANYONE HAS A SECOND, I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH THAT.
AND ALSO THERE'S A, THAT THAT ISSUE OF ICE GETTING THAT INFORMATION SO THAT IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY IMPORTANT AND TIMELY.
UH, SHOULD WE DO A ROLL CALL ON ADDING THAT TO THE SEPTEMBER AGENDA? WE CAN, WE CAN DO THAT.
AND SECOND, AND THEN I'LL DO THE MOTION.
UH, MOVING US ALONG, UH, WE'RE
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ONTO OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM, WHICH IS IPA COMMENT, UH, I'D LIKE TO CALL AN IPA TO PROVIDE COMMENTS ON MONTHLY STATS AND INTRODUCE IPA DENISE LEWIS.ACTUALLY, UH, I WILL BE REPORTING ON THIS AS WELL.
SO THIS CHART SHOULD LOOK FAMILIAR FROM LAST MONTH WITH NEW NUMBERS.
UM, WE HAD TRIED TO DEVISE SOMETHING LIKE AN AGING REPORT AND UH, I THINK IT BECAME A LITTLE TOO COMPLICATED, BUT WHAT WE CAN SEE USING THE USES AND DISPLAYS OF FORCE, UM, AS AN EXAMPLE, UH, IN FEBRUARY AT THE END OF FEBRUARY, THERE WERE, UH, NINE INCIDENTS THAT WERE PENDING, BUT WE SEE FROM THE NEXT COLUMN THAT THERE WERE SIX THAT CAME IN THAT MONTH.
SO REALLY WHAT THAT INDICATES IS THAT THERE ARE THREE, UH,
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ADDITIONAL ONES FROM PRIOR MONTHS THAT, UH, ARE STILL PENDING.UM, AGAIN, THE NUMBER REVIEWED BY THE, UH, BY THE COMMAND STAFF.
THEN THE NUMBER REVIEWED BY US AND THE NUMBER OF OPEN ACAS, WHICH ARE, UH, AGREED UPON COURSES OF ACTION.
SO WE HAVE THAT FOR, UH, USES OF FORCE.
AGAIN, UH, SIX NEW ONES, NO NEW PURSUITS IN, UH, FEBRUARY AND TWO NEW COMPLAINTS.
SO THAT IS WHERE WHERE WE STAND.
ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE? I HAD NO QUESTIONS FROM US.
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LIKE TO, UH, OPEN UP FOR ANY STAFF COMMENT.CHIEF MILLER AND THE STAFF, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? I JUST WOULD, UH, JUST HAVE ONE COMMENT, UM, BRIEFLY IN RESPECT TO THE TIME, BUT I WANNA HIGHLIGHT THAT APRIL 7TH, THAT COUNSEL PRESENTATION ITEM WILL BE THE COMPLETE ENTIRETY OF THESE 2024 INDEPENDENT POLICE AUDITOR REPORT AND BOTH THE APPENDIXES OF THE RIPPA DATA.
SO WE APPRECIATE THE COMMITTEE'S FEEDBACK AND INPUT OVER THE LAST TWO MEETINGS, UM, THAT ARE HELPING FINALIZE AND BRING THAT PRESENTATION FORWARD TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
AND THAT WILL BE A ROBUST DISCUSSION AND PRESENTED BY THE INDEPENDENT POLICE AUDITOR SHANK SCHLANGER, AGAIN, APRIL 7TH AT 6:00 PM THANK YOU.
I JUST ALSO, OH, WANTED TO SHARE THAT EARLIER TODAY.
I VOLUNTEERED AS PART OF LAW WEEK AT OUR LOCAL HIGH SCHOOL AND I SHARED WITH THEM THAT WE HAVE A PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND THEY'RE ALSO WELCOME TO ATTEND.
THANK YOU FOR HELPING OUT WITH COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
I KNOW WE'RE READY TO ADJOURN.
CAN I ADD, CAN I ADD ONE LITTLE THING BEFORE WE ADJOURN? GO AHEAD.
UM, ON APRIL 7TH AS WELL, AND AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING IS A PROCLAMATION FOR DIS DISPATCH APPRECIATION WEEK, WHICH I BELIEVE THE CHIEF AND KATE WILL BE THERE.
AND, UM, ALSO I WANNA SAY THAT I HAVE BEEN ATTENDING, THEY, YOU'VE A REWARDS NIGHT AND A RETIREMENT PROMOTIONS AND ANOTHER, UM, RETIREMENT GET TOGETHER.
AND I ENCOURAGE EVERY OF THE, EVERYONE TO GO TO THOSE BECAUSE THEY'RE, UM, ABOUT COMMUNITY AND IT'S REALLY NEAT TO SEE THE FAMILY.
SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A PLUG FOR THAT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GET THOSE INVITATIONS OUT, BUT MAYBE THE COMMITTEE ME MEMBERS CAN ALSO HAVE THEM.
I THINK WE, YOU KNOW, AS IN THE CHARTER LEGISLATION, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMITTEE IS WELCOME AT ANY ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES IN THOSE TYPE OF, OF INTERNAL, UM, PROMOTIONAL CEREMONIES IS, IS WELCOMED OPPORTUNITIES.
SO YEAH, THANK YOU FOR HIGHLIGHTING THAT.
THANK, UM, WE'VE HAD SOME REMARKABLE HIRING, SOME, SOME COMMENDABLE SERVICE RETIREMENTS AND SO A LOT OF, LOT OF REALLY GREAT UPDATES AND, AND, UH, STAFF CHANGES.
AND WITH THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 7:39 PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.