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CALL THE MEETING ORDER AT, UH, 6 0 1 AND, UH, WE'LL START WITH ROLL CALL.UH, COMMISSIONER CASE PRESENT? COMMISSIONER MAR.
AND WE HAVE, UH, OUR COUNCIL ON HERE.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? CAN I GET
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A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED? SO MOVED.AND I'LL SECOND AND ALL IN FAVOR OF MINUTES APPROVAL.
MINUTES FROM MARCH 6TH ARE APPROVED AS WRITTEN.
[PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION]
UH, PUBLIC HEARING AND MATTERS OF CONSIDERATION.WE HAVE, UH, RESERVE CONCEPTUAL HANGAR LAYOUTS FOR THE HANGAR FEASIBILITY STUDY, BUT I CAN GIVE A LITTLE INTRO ON THAT IF THAT'S HELPFUL.
I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, MY SCREEN IS SHOWING WE'RE HAVING SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES TONIGHT.
THE CAMERAS IN THE ROOM ARE NOT WORKING.
UM, GOOGLE GOING DOWN TO THE WEB.
THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE HARD COPIES AND MAYBE WE COULD LET YOU GUYS LOOK AT COLLINS IF WE CAN'T GET IT ON THE SCREEN.
THERE'S SOME EXTRA HARD COPIES I CAN GRAB.
THERE'S ONE EXTRA HARD COPY AT THE, UH, SPEAKER'S, UH, UM, MICROPHONE.
STAND THERE IF YOU ANYBODY WANTS A COPY AS WELL.
UM, YEAH, SO SORRY, SORRY FOR TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES.
THE, UM, JUST WANNA GO THROUGH, UH, WHAT WE PROVIDED IN THE, UM, THE PACKET FOR THIS MEETING.
UH, JUST A VERY BRIEF SUMMARY, UH, WITH THE, UH, STAFF REPORT KIND OF SUMMARIZING, UH, HOW THIS ALL STARTED, UH, SEVERAL YEARS AGO THERE WAS INTEREST IN THE AIRPORT COMMISSION AND, UM, AND THE CITY, UH, PROVIDING, UH, POSSIBLY ADDITIONAL HANGERS AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE TO MEET A DEMAND FOR, UM, LARGER OR ADDITIONAL, UH, BOX HANGERS AND, UH, EXPANDED HANGER, UM, AVAILABILITY FOR THE AVIATION COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY LOCALLY.
UH, UH, HANGAR FEASIBILITY STUDY, UH, WAS CONCEIVED A COUPLE YEARS AGO AND THEN WE FUNDED IT, UH, FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 25 BUDGET.
AND SO WE ARE COMING TO THE END OF THAT PROJECT TO JUST GET A, UM, A KINDA A HIGH LEVEL SCOPE, UM, AND, UH, PRICING AND ALSO DEMAND, UM, AS WE CAN BEST DETERMINE FOR HANGERS AND WHAT CAN PHYSICALLY FIT IN THE AVAILABLE SPACE THAT REMAINS, UH, UNDEVELOPED AT THE, UH, AT THE AIRPORT.
UH, SO, UM, WE'RE KIND OF IN THE FIRST OF THREE PHASES OR THREE PARTS OF THIS PROJECT.
UH, JUST TRYING TO WORK OUT, UM, POTENTIAL LAYOUTS BASED ON, UM, YOU KNOW, THE CITY'S UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE DEMAND IS, AND THEN ALSO THE COMMISSION AND, UM, UH, COMMISSIONERS WHO ALSO MAY BE, UH, HANGAR TENANTS AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, HAVE THEIR OWN, UM, IDEAS OF WHAT, WHAT KIND OF NEED AS FAR AS THE FUTURE EXPANSION AND, UH, WHAT THE DEMAND IS.
SO ANYWAY, UM, WE, UH, MEAD AND HUNT OUR, UM, CONSULTANT PROVIDED FIVE LAYOUTS.
UM, WE'VE INCLUDED A SIXTH WITH YOUR PACKET.
UM, ONE I JUST KINDA, A VERY ROUGH VERSION OF THE PREVIOUS ONES.
UM, TRYING TO TAKE IN SOME OTHER ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS THAT WEREN'T REALLY PART OF THE, THE INITIAL EFFORT.
UM, IT'S A LITTLE, LITTLE BIT BETTER SETBACKS, UM, THAT MET THE, UM, PLANNED, UH, UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DOCUMENT THAT YOU ALSO FIND IN YOUR PACKET, UH, FOR THE AIRPORT.
AND THEN JUST SOME OTHER CONSIDERATIONS TRYING TO KEEP IN MIND, UM, WHERE THE COMMERCIAL ZONING IS CURRENTLY, WHERE IT COULD BE IN THE FUTURE IF WE CHANGED IT.
UM, MAYBE SOME NOISE CONCERNS.
UM, SO THEY'RE JUST, SOME OF THOSE, UH, ASPECTS WENT INTO
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A SIXTH LAYOUT.UM, NONE OF THESE ARE SET IN STONE, BUT WE WANTED TO KIND OF PRESENT THESE TO YOU TO KIND OF GET AN IDEA OF, OF WHAT WOULD KIND OF PHYSICALLY FIT IN THAT AREA.
UH, ALL OF THE LAYOUTS EXCEPT FOR ONE, DO NOT HAVE TEE HANGERS AS PART OF THEM.
AND, UM, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT, UH, THE CONSULTANT, UM, KIND OF PUT FORWARD IS THAT THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO PURSUE WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
UH, WITH TEETERS, JUST BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF PAVEMENT NEEDED, UM, ON BOTH SIDES OF A, OF A, A TEE HANGER ROW, UM, THAT IT'S THE SAME, ESSENTIALLY THE SAME AMOUNT OF PAVEMENT YOU'D NEED FOR A, A BIGGER BOX HANGER.
UM, BUT EACH HANGER IS NOT GONNA HAVE THE NECESSARILY THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT IS IN DEMAND CURRENTLY.
SO YOU'RE PA BASICALLY BUILDING THE SAME AMOUNT OF PAVEMENT FOR, UH, LESS, UM, UTILIZATION BY EACH, UH, TENANT.
UM, NOT THAT IT'S A BAD THING, YOU CAN PACK A LOT MORE AIRCRAFT INTO A SMALLER SPACE, BUT YOU DEFINITELY DON'T GET THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT A LOT OF TENANTS ARE LOOKING FOR.
AND, AND LIKE I MENTIONED, THE, THE STAFF REPORT, UH, MOST, THE BIG, THE BIGGEST DEMAND IS FOR LARGER END UNITS.
THOSE TEND TO BE THE ONES THAT GO VERY QUICKLY.
UM, THE ONLY OTHER HANGER THAT HAS MORE DEMAND THAN END UNITS IS A, AS A BOX HANGER, AND THOSE TEND TO GO VERY FAST.
UM, AND THEY DON'T COME UP VERY OFTEN.
SO WITH THAT IN MIND, IT SEEMS LIKE THE DEMAND IS FOR MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE, UM, LESS RESTRICTIVE SPACE.
UM, AND SO THAT WAS KIND OF WHAT, WHAT SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE IDEAS THAT, UH, SORT OF THAT GENERATED THESE OUT, THESE, UM, THESE LAYOUTS.
AND, UM, SO YEAH, UM, DEFINITELY THERE ARE ADVANTAGES TO SOME DISADVANTAGE TO OTHERS.
THERE ARE THREE SIZES THERE TO TRY TO CAPTURE, UM, KIND OF SOME OF THE SMALLEST BUSINESS AIRCRAFT OUT THERE, UM, IN THE, IN THE KIND OF THE SMALLEST BOX.
AND THEN KINDA A MEDIUM SIZE THAT IS, UM, WOULD CAPTURE MAYBE A, UM, AN ENTRY LEVEL, UH, TURBO FAN OR TURBO PROP AIRCRAFT.
AND THEN THE, THE LARGEST WOULD BE UP TO A GROUP TWO AIRCRAFT.
UM, SOMETHING THAT, UM, MIGHT EXCEED, UH, 79 A, UM, YEAH, 49 FOOT WINGSPAN.
UH, SO THAT WAS, UM, THAT WAS KIND OF THE, UH, CRITERIA YOU USED.
UM, BUT ANYWAY, YEAH, JUST, JUST TO JUMP IN, THAT WAS, THAT'S KINDA THE BACKGROUND.
AND, UM, WE'RE, WE, WERE, TONIGHT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, UM, FEEDBACK ON THE SIZING IF THAT, IF THE SIZING FELT RIGHT BASED ON THE CONVERSATIONS THAT THE COMMISSION HAS HAD PREVIOUSLY.
AND THEN ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE NUMBER OF EACH IF THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE, THE FEELING WAS AS FAR AS WOULD WE BE THE KINDA BEST MIX.
AND THEN WE CAN GIVE ALL THIS FEEDBACK, UH, TO THE CONSULTANT.
AND THEN THEY CAN PROBABLY COME UP WITH A FINAL, UM, PROPOSED, UH, LAYOUT THAT, UM, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BEST SUIT THIS, THIS AREA FOR DEVELOPMENT.
NOW OBVIOUSLY THE, THE FINAL DESIGN'S GONNA BE PROBABLY WAY DIFFERENT.
THERE'S GONNA BE A BUNCH OF THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT COME IN PLACE, DRAINAGE, WHATNOT.
BUT JUST AS AN INITIAL LAYOUT, UM, WE WANTED TO KIND OF GET THE NEED TO THE AIRPORT AND, UM, AND LIKE A AVIATION COMMUNITY AS PART OF THIS SO WE COULD, WE COULD, UH, PUSH THAT INTO THIS AND GET THE BEST INFORMATION.
I'VE GOT SOME COMMENTS, UM, IF THAT'S OKAY, ANNA.
UM, YEAH, FIRST OFF, UM, I'D LIKE TO THANK DAN FOR, UM, GETTING MEAT HUNT ONTO THIS AND, UH, TAKING A LOOK AT, UH, POSSIBLE LAYOUTS.
AND I THINK, UH, GOING FORWARD, GIVEN PAST EXPERIENCE, UM, IT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA TO ESTABLISH AN AD HOC COMMITTEE TO WORK THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
AND FOR THOSE OF YOU, UH, WHO HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT YET, THIS IS AN OLD VERSION, BUT AS A RESULT OF MY LEARNINGS FROM THE LAST, UH, HANGAR PROJECT THAT WE DID, WHICH I BASICALLY DID, UM, I WROTE THE AIRCRAFT HANGAR DEVELOPMENT GUIDE.
NOW, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THIS ON THE A OPA WEBSITE ANYMORE, BUT IF YOU GO ON TO A OPA AND YOU DO A SEARCH FOR AIRCRAFT HANGER DEVELOPMENT GUIDE, YOU'LL GET THIS.
UM, AND BASICALLY I WROTE THIS BASED ON THE PROCESS THAT I USED TO DO THE LAST PROJECT AND EVERYTHING I LEARNED IN BETWEEN DOING THAT PROJECT, WORKING WITH THE CITY, THE FAA AND ALL THE REST, UM, NOT WANTING ANYONE ELSE TO HAVE TO SUFFER THROUGH THAT PROCESS, I WANTED TO DOCUMENT IT.
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UM, THE KEY POINT HERE, I THINK, AND UH, IT WAS INTERESTING, UM, AFTER I WROTE THIS UP, I WENT TO A, UH, AIRPORT MANAGER'S CONFERENCE, UM, ANNUAL MEETING.IT WAS DOWN IN MONTEREY BACK AFTER WE DID THIS PROJECT.
AND, UH, I TALKED TO A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT AIRPORT FOLKS FROM AROUND THE NORTHERN CALIFORNIA AREA AND I HAD EXTRA COPIES OF THIS GUIDE, SO I GAVE HIM OUT TO THE FOLKS.
UM, AT THE NEXT YEAR'S MEETING, UH, I MET ONE OF THOSE GROUPS OF PEOPLE AND THEY THANKED ME FOR DOING THIS.
AND THEY GOT THEIR HANGAR PROJECT DONE SO FAST.
SO HOW DID IT GO? WELL, THE ONLY PROBLEM IS A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF OUR HANGERS ARE STILL EMPTY.
AND I THOUGHT, WELL, THAT'S TOO BAD YOU DIDN'T USE THE PROCESS, BUDDY.
'CAUSE THE FIRST STEP IN THE PROCESS IS TO DEFINE WHERE ARE WE NOW? AND MANY ORGANIZATIONS THAT GO INTO A PROJECT WITH LOTS OF ENTHUSIASM, THEY MISS WHERE ARE WE GOING, WHERE ARE WE NOW? AND WHERE SHOULD WE BE? MOST PEOPLE JUMP TO, LET'S GET IT DONE.
AND THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS YOU MISS A WHOLE LOT OF THE BACKGROUND YOU NEED TO HAVE TO ENSURE YOU'RE SUCCESSFUL.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE DID LAST TIME.
SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE AD HOC COMMITTEE, WHOEVER THEY BE, UH, REALLY TAKE A HARD LOOK AT WHERE ARE WE NOW.
AND A LARGE PART OF THAT IS ASSESSING THE LAYOUT OPTIONS IN CONJUNCTION WITH WHAT IS THE DEMAND, WHAT ARE THE POTENTIAL RATES WE WOULD HAVE TO CHARGE FOR THESE HANGERS? BECAUSE IF YOU RECALL, THE ORIGINAL FIRST SET OF AIRPORT OWNED HANGERS ARE RENTING AT A LOWER RATE THAN THE PROJECT WE FINISHED IN 2006.
WELL, YOU DEVELOP A WHOLE BUNCH OF NEW HANGERS, I'M SURE THE RENTS WILL BE HIGHER BECAUSE THIS PROJECT'S GONNA BE BLOODY EXPENSIVE COMPARED TO THE ONE WE DID 20 YEARS AGO.
SO, UM, ALL THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT PUTTING A BUSINESS PLAN TOGETHER THAT'S GONNA BE ABLE TO JUSTIFY WHAT YOU WANT TO DO AND TO BE ABLE TO INTEGRATE AND GET EVERYBODY ON BOARD WITH WHERE YOU'RE GOING.
WHERE ARE WE NOW IS REALLY TOUGH.
AND A LOT OF PEOPLE MISS IT 'CAUSE THEY JUST THINK IT'S OBVIOUS.
'CAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT MAY HAVE AN INTEREST OUT AT THE AIRPORT, BE THEY, UH, TENANT OR WHATEVER WHO MAY HAVE ISSUES.
UM, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA BE THE ISSUE NOW, BUT WE'VE GOT, FOR EXAMPLE, THE CORP YARD OUT THERE.
WELL, WE JUST CAN'T GO TO THE CITY AND SAY, YOU KNOW, REMOVE ALL OF THE DIRT PILES AND EQUIPMENT BECAUSE WHAT ARE THEY GONNA DO? SO ALL OF THESE THINGS NEED TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT AND REALLY EVALUATED BEFORE WE CAN EVER SAY, YEAH, THIS IS THE PROJECT WE WANNA DO AND HERE'S HOW WE'RE GONNA DO IT.
WELL, ONCE YOU'VE ASSESSED WHERE WE ARE CURRENTLY, AND THAT INCLUDES SUPPORT FROM CITY STAFF, COUNCIL, NEIGHBORS IN THE AREA, I MEAN, WE HAD NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP MEETINGS TO HELP FOLKS THAT LIVE NEARBY THE AIRPORT UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO? WE'RE NOT GONNA DESTROY YOUR LIFE, ET CETERA.
BECAUSE THEY HEARD, OH, NO DEVELOPMENT AT THE AIRPORT.
AND THEY HAD ALL SORTS OF MISCONCEPTIONS.
SO WE HAD GROUP MEETINGS AT THE AIRPORT TO HELP 'EM UNDERSTAND THAT ON AND ON.
AND THEN THE NEXT PIECE IS, UH, SO WHERE DO WE WANT TO BE? AND THAT'S LOOKING AT THE DEMAND IS APPLIED TO WHAT'S THE BEST LAYOUT, UM, HOW DO WE MINIMIZE THE ONGOING COSTS FOR THE AIRPORT IN TERMS OF, OF MAINTAINING TAXIWAY PAVEMENT AND APRON AREA AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
UTILITIES, UM, WHAT'S THE MIX BETWEEN THE NEED FOR T HANGERS VERSUS SMALL BOX HANG, YOU KNOW, ON AND ON AND ON.
BUT THEY ALL NEED TO BE EVALUATED AND ASSESSED BEFORE WE GET TO THE POINT OF HOW DO WE GET THERE.
UM, BECAUSE THEN THAT'S HOW DO YOU THEN ROLL OUT THE BUSINESS PLAN THAT YOU HAVE TO DEVELOP TO ENSURE THAT WHEN WE GO TO WHOEVER THE FUNDING AGENCY IS, AND THE LAST TIME WE DID IT, IT WAS AN INVESTMENT BANK THAT DEVELOPED AND, AND UM, UH, ISSUED MUNICIPAL BONDS SO THAT WE COULD AFFORD TO DO THIS, THIS LAST PROJECT.
UM, AND YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO CONVINCE THE BANKERS THAT YOUR BUSINESS PLAN IS SOUND AND OF VALUE.
AND SO, UM, ALL OF THAT'S INTEGRATED AND THAT'S WHY I THINK WE NEED A TEAM TO DO THIS.
'CAUSE I'M NOT AT A POINT IN MY LIFE.
WHERE I WANT TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT AGAIN, HAPPY TO HELP, BUT, UH, I'M NOT GONNA DO IT ON MY OWN LIKE I DID LAST TIME.
SO ANYWAY, THAT BEING SAID, I'M GLAD I WAS RETIRED AT THE TIME, OTHERWISE WHO WOULD'VE HAD THE TIME.
UM, AND THEN, UM, THEN IMPLEMENTING AND MAKING THAT PROJECT THEN
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COME TO FRUITION AND THEN STARTED UP AND, UH, UH, WITH NEW TENANTS MOVING IN.UH, SO THERE'S SO MANY VARIABLES AND THIS GUIDE COVERS EVERYTHING FROM DEVELOPING THE BUSINESS PLAN, ASSESSING ALL OF THE SUPPORT THAT NEEDS TO BE GENERATED, UM, IN TERMS OF THE, WITHIN THE COMMUNITY AND THE CITY STAFF AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
UM, SO IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR YOU TO GO ONLINE AND DOUBLE CHECK THAT.
AND I THINK WE DO NEED A, YOU KNOW, AN AD HOC COMMITTEE TO REALLY WORK THROUGH THIS.
'CAUSE IT'S GONNA TAKE A LOT OF TIME.
IT'S NOT JUST LOOKING AT THE LAYOUT SAYING, OOH, WHICH LAYOUT IS BEST.
BUT THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER VARIABLES THAT NEED TO BE EVALUATED BECAUSE THIS REALLY IS, UM, NOT UNLIKE DEVELOPING A NEW BUSINESS.
AND AS AN AIRPORT, WE DON'T WANT TO BE SUBJECTING THE CITY TO HAVING TO SUPPORT SOME EXPENDITURE WE'VE MADE ON OUR SIDE THAT WE'RE NOT PAYING FOR IN TERMS OF THE REVENUE WE GENERATE.
SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS A VIABLE BUSINESS PLAN AND WHEN IMPLEMENTED WILL, UM, NOT REQUIRE THE CITY TO, YOU KNOW, COVER OUR BACKSIDE.
IF IT GOES INTO DEBT, THAT'S THE LAST THING WE WANNA DO BECAUSE WE TOLD THE CITY BACK DAY ONE, WE WERE NEVER GONNA DO THAT AT THE AIRPORT.
SO THIS MAY COME DOWN TO A POINT WHERE WE SAY, WELL, WE'VE GOT A FEW LARGER TURBINE AIRCRAFT THAT WOULD LOVE TO BUILD A HANGAR, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN SUPPORT THAT.
SO THOSE ARE THE KIND OF GO NO-GO DECISIONS THAT NEED TO BE INTEGRATED INTO ALL THIS AND ALL THE VARIABLES ASSESSED AND WITHOUT ANY PRECONCEPTION OR IDEA OF THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GOING AND THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE TO BE.
I MEAN, WE HAVE TO START AT THE VERY BEGINNING AND ASSURE THAT WHERE WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA END UP IS GONNA BE VIABLE AND ECONOMICALLY SOUND.
SO THAT BEING SAID, TAKE UP A LOOK AT THE GUIDE ONLINE
UM, BUT THAT PROCESS TOOK THE CORPORATION FROM BEING SORT OF IN THE MIDDLE IN, IN COMPARED TO PEERS IN TERMS OF PROJECT EXECUTION, IN TERMS OF TIME AND EXPENSE AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF TO BE ON THE TOP.
I, THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS, UM, OBVIOUSLY GOOD POINTS WE SHOULD, IF WE'RE GONNA DO, INSTEAD OF CREATING ANOTHER AD HOC, PROBABLY BE BEST TO MAYBE MERGE THIS ONE WITH THE CURRENT, UH, HANGAR ALLOCATION AD HOC THAT WE HAVE.
JUST BECAUSE THE PUR, I MEAN, WE ALL KIND OF KNEW THIS WAS COMING DOWN THE LINE THAT OBVIOUSLY IT TAKES TIME.
NO, I I THINK YOU'RE, BUT I FEEL LIKE THEY'RE KIND OF MERGING TOGETHER.
THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE HANGAR ALLOCATION AD HOC WAS TO KIND OF GET TO THE BOTTOM OF OUR CURRENT DEMAND WITH WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE TO WORK WITH AND NOW LOOKING FORWARD.
CAN I ASK, UM, JUST A QUESTION BECAUSE I, TO, TO YOUR POINT, UM, THE, THE STUDY, WAS IT SUPPOSED TO INCLUDE THAT WORK? IT SAYS HERE THAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO INCLUDE MARKET AND COSTED COSTS, RIGHT? RIGHT, RIGHT.
UM, DO WE HAVE THAT ANALYSIS? WE WILL AS WELL.
THIS IS KIND OF FIRST STEP AND THEN THEY'RE GATHERING THAT, UM, IT, IT IS, THE MARKET IS A LITTLE BIT, UM, WE'RE DIFFICULT 'CAUSE IT'S NOT JUST A DATA SET THAT'S EASILY AVAILABLE.
UM, BUT, UH, IT'S SOMETHING THAT MEAT HUNTS CAN PROVIDE TO US.
AND THEN THE, UM, I GUESS THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT OF THIS IS THE COST.
AND THAT'S THE PART THAT WILL KIND OF DECIDE THE TIMING, UM, AND POSSIBLY EVEN FUTURE PHASING, UH, DEPENDING ON WHAT WE CAN AFFORD AND, AND, UH, WHAT'S THE LARGEST LOAN THAT WE COULD, UM, ENDURE.
THAT WAS GONNA BE MY, MY NEXT QUESTION WAS ABOUT PHASING.
UM, PRESUMABLY ALL OF THIS ISN'T GONNA BE BUILT IN A DAY, RIGHT? SO WHAT, UM, IT'D BE GOOD TO UNDERSTAND ANY IMPACTS ON COST THAT PHASING THIS WOULD HAVE, RIGHT? MM-HMM
LIKE IF WE DON'T POUR ALL THE PAVEMENT AT THE SAME TIME, DOES IT NOW BECOME TWICE AS EXPENSIVE TO POUR THE PAVEMENT? RIGHT.
SO I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER GOOD ASK FOR THEM IS ARE THERE NATURAL BREAK POINTS MM-HMM
IN THIS THAT WOULD MAKE IT EASIER TO PHASE OR NOT CERTAIN THINGS? UM, SO YEAH, I WOULD, I, I WOULDN'T WANNA MAKE A DECISION ABOUT WHICH OF THESE SIX PLANS WE LIKE UNTIL WE HAVE THE REST OF THE PROJECT AND THE MARKET INFORMATION AND ALL OF THAT.
TO TOM'S POINT, UM, AND ESPECIALLY SINCE WE ALREADY ASKED THEM TO DO IT, SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THAT PART OF THE REPORT, UH, FROM THEM AS WELL.
UM, I'M A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED IN MEETING A, I KNOW SEVERAL FOLKS THAT ARE THERE.
I'M ALMOST DISAPPOINTED THAT THEY WOULD PROVIDE
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LAYOUTS WITHOUT PROVIDING SUBSTANTIATING MARKET INFORMATION.THAT JUST, I, I NEED THIS, UM, MISUNDERSTANDING.
THIS IS NOT, UM, A DRAFT OF THE HANGER FEASIBILITY STUDY.
THIS IS, WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT LAYOUTS TONIGHT.
RIGHT? BUT, SO WE'RE STILL GATHERING THAT INFORMATION.
UM, BUT WHAT, BUT THE NUMBER OF, THE NUMBER OF THE DIFFERENT SIZE BOXES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIT ON THE PAGE SHOULD BE INFLUENCED BY, IT IS INFLUENCED BY WHAT'S AVAILABLE IN THE MARKET.
SO WHEN YOU GO TO BUILD BUY A BUILDING, WHAT THEY REALLY TRIED TO FOCUS ON WAS EXISTING SIZES THAT ARE OFF THE SHELF, OFF THE SHELF.
DESIGN MEANS NO CUSTOM, RIGHT.
AND, AND THAT'S WHY, UH, THAT WAS THE THOUGHT THAT WENT BEHIND THIS WAS THIS, THESE ARE THE SAME SIZES THAT ARE BEING BUILT ELSEWHERE.
AND THEN, UM, NOW THERE, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF POSSIBILITIES, ANY KIND OF CUSTOM BUILDING.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WE, WE MENTIONED TO THEM IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE ARE VERY, UM, COST AVERSE ON THIS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE REALLY CAN'T DO.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT KIND OF, UM, GENERATED THIS.
NO, I, I GUESS I'M, I APPRECIATE THAT.
IT WASN'T QUITE WHAT I WAS, WHERE I WAS GOING.
UM, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE WHETHER WE HAVE 6 65 SQUARES OR 1245 BY 40 ONES, OR 1645 OR 41, I'M NOT, I'M NOT QUIBBLING WITH THE DIMENSIONS OF EACH BOX.
BUT IT'S ODD TO ME THAT THEY WOULD HAVE PUT THE TIME AND EFFORT INTO FIGURING OUT WHERE TO PUT A CERTAIN COLLECTION OF BOXES WITHOUT HAVING THE MARKET DATA TO SAY, WE NEED MORE OF THIS SIZE OR MORE OF THIS SIZE.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA GET THAT SPECIFIC.
AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE BAY AREA DEMAND, THEREFORE YOU BUILD 17 SMALL BOX HANGERS.
WE'RE NOT, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA GET DOWN TO THAT LEVEL.
I THINK WHAT WE'RE THEY'RE GONNA GIVE US BACK IS HERE IS THE OVERALL HANGAR DEMAND FOR BUSINESS AIRCRAFT OF THESE KIND OF SIZES IN, IN GENERAL FOR THE BAY AREA.
UM, I THINK WHEN IT COMES TO THE ALLOTMENT OF EACH, THAT'S GONNA BE KIND OF A LOCAL THAT'S GONNA BE DEMANDING A LOT OF LOCAL INPUT.
BECAUSE I JUST SEE THAT AS BEING CONNECTED TO LIKE THE HIGHEST DEMAND.
WE MIGHT WANNA BUILD MORE OF THOSE, RIGHT? LIKE, AND THEN ONE OF THE MAIN CONSIDERATIONS, UM, AS YOU LOOK AT THIS IS, UM, YOU KNOW, AS WE TRY TO MINIMIZE PAVEMENT, WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO MINIMIZE GROUP TWO TAXI LANES.
IF YOU NOTICE ON SOME OF THOSE, THERE IS A, I'M GONNA QUOTE IT WRONG HERE, BUT I THINK IT'S LIKE 109, UM, FEET WIDE VERSUS THE 79 MM-HMM
SO HOW, DEPENDING ON WHAT KIND OF HANGERS WE DEVELOP, ASSUMING THERE, THERE ARE GONNA BE SOME GROUP TWO SIZE HANGERS THAT IS A NECESSITY.
AND NOT ONLY IS THAT A TAXI LANE, A NECESSITY, BUT THE TAXI THING GOING TO, IT HAS TO HAVE CLEARANCE FOR GROUP TWO TO GET BACK THERE.
AND, AND THE WISDOM OF A PREVIOUS, UH, DEVELOPERS TO THE AIRPORT, THEY DID LEAVE US ROOM TO DO GROUP TWO ACCESS TO THE BACK, BACK END OF THE, UM, SO THOSE ARE THE KIND OF CONSIDERATIONS THAT THAT REALLY COME INTO PLAY, BECAUSE YOU REALLY CAN ONLY PUT SO MANY OF THOSE HANGERS REALISTICALLY, RIGHT? OTHERWISE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO, YOUR PAVEMENT GOES UP A THIRD OR WHATNOT.
SO, UM, I THINK AT A MINIMUM, WE'RE PROBABLY A COUPLE.
UH, FOUR WOULD NOT BE OUTRAGEOUS AS FAR AS, UM, SIX MIGHT BE TOO MANY.
THAT'S SORT OF KIND OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA TRY TO ANSWER, BUT, BUT THE HANGER FEASIBILITY STATE ISN'T GONNA ANSWER ALL THOSE QUESTIONS FOR US.
SOME OF THOSE WILL HAVE TO DETERMINE BASED ON OUR DEMAND LIST AND THEN JUST, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE SEE, UM, EXPANDING TO.
SO, UM, I, I GUESS KIND OF PROBABLY ONE, ONE OF THE BIGGEST QUESTIONS IS DO WE BUILD A LOT OF THE LITTLE TEENY BOXES OR DO WE, DO WE KIND OF MAKE A, A EVEN MIX OR, UM, AND SOME OF THIS IS BASED ON EITHER THE FOLKS THAT ARE IN THE ROOM THAT MAY WANT THOSE HANGERS OR PEOPLE THAT WE KNOW AT THE AIRPORT AND WHAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.
SO THIS IS GONNA BE AN ONGOING CONVERSATION.
I, WE'LL PUT THIS IN THE NEWSLETTER AS WELL, KIND OF GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM ALL THE TENANTS.
BUT, UM, BUT YEAH, THAT, YOU KNOW, AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DECIDED WITHIN THIS STUDY, WE JUST KIND OF PUT A, OUR BEST GUESS ALL THIS IS A GUESS, BUT IF WE GET ENOUGH INPUT, I THINK IT'LL BE A PRETTY REASONABLE ESTIMATE OF WHAT COULD BE, UM, REALLY USEFUL TO THE AIRPORT, UH, FOR THE NEXT DEC YOU KNOW, IN A DECADE.
UM, AND, AND FURTHER, UH, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THE DEMAND IS GONNA BE.
SO IF THAT KINDA HELPS CLARIFY THAT A LITTLE BIT.
YEAH, I GUESS I WAS JUST MAYBE GOT A LITTLE HOPEFUL 'CAUSE OF THE, THE LANGUAGE OF, UH, PROVIDING FEEDBACK ON THE TYPES OF HANGAR SIZES ACCESSIBILITY THAT WOULD BE BEST SUITED FOR CURRENT AND FUTURE DEMAND.
SO I THINK MAYBE I WAS READING MORE INTO THAT THAN MAYBE THEY'RE EXPECTING
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TO GIVE US.BUT YEAH, WE, WE, YOU KNOW, BASED ON ALSO SOME INPUTS INTERNALLY, WE, YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO GIVE, UH, THE COMMISSION BEST INSTRUCTIONS.
WE CAN, I MEAN, IT, WE DIDN'T WANT THIS TO JUST BE AN WIDE OPEN, YOU KNOW.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO, TRYING TO GIVE YOU BEST DIRECTION CRITICAL.
I JUST, YEAH, I WAS JUST MAYBE HAD IN MY HEAD THAT THAT WOULD BE MORE THAN MAYBE IT'S INTENDED TO BE.
SO, WE'LL, WE'LL SEE WHAT WE GET AND, AND LIKE YOU SAID, YEAH, THERE'S NO RUSH ON THIS AND, UM, IF, IF THE, THE, THE AD HOC IS YOU WANNA DO THAT, THAT'S GREAT.
SO I DID HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION.
UM, MORE GENERALLY, UH, THE RED BLOCKED OUT AERONAUTICAL DEVELOPMENT AREA, UM, CAN YOU SPEAK TO WHAT THE VISION IS FOR, FOR THAT? YEAH, THAT'S KIND OF AN UNOFFICIAL, UM, SPACE.
IT JUST, WE, WE LOOKED AT WHAT, UM, ESSENTIALLY KIND OF 200, 120 FOOT HANGAR DEVELOPMENT SIZE HANGERS WOULD NEED WITH, UM, WITH FIRE LANES BETWEEN THEM, UH, PARKING, THAT KIND OF THING.
THE JUST KIND OF BARE MINIMUM.
AND I THINK 207, I FORGET WHAT THE ACTUAL FIGURE IS ON THE, THE WIDTH OF THAT, BUT THE NUMBER WE CAME UP WITH WAS, UM, KIND OF WHAT YOU'D NEED FOR TWO COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS.
THERE MAY BE ONE, THERE MAY BE THREE SMALLER ONES WE DON'T KNOW.
BUT THAT WAS JUST KIND OF A GUESSTIMATE OF HOW MUCH ROOM YOU WOULD NEED FOR AT LEAST ONE, MAYBE TWO, UM, LARGER COMMERCIAL PRIVATELY DEVELOPED, UM, FACILITIES, UM, SINCE IT'S ALREADY ZONED FOR THAT.
AND, UM, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE BEST LOCATION AND ACCESS FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S NO COMMITMENTS AT THIS TIME OR LEASES AND, UM, YEAH.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YEAH, YEAH.
I JUST, AS YOU'RE TRACKING DEMAND, WHAT, WHERE DOES IT STAND AS OF TODAY? LIKE WHAT, WHAT ARE WE, ARE YOU GETTING CALLS FOR THE 65 BY 65, OR IS MOSTLY 46 BY 41? WHAT ARE YOU SEEING AS OF AS OF TODAY? I THINK THE GREATEST DEMAND IS THE 50 TO 55 KIND OF SIZE.
UH, THAT SEEMS LIKE THE BIGGEST DEMAND, BUT THERE IS, UM, THERE, THERE IS ADDITIONAL DEMAND FOR THE 60 AND ABOVE SIZE AS WELL.
UM, THE, THE TRICK WITH THE BIGGEST ONES IS THAT OFTEN THE, THE MOST, THE, THE CLIENT THAT'S GONNA BE THE BEST FIT FOR THAT, WHETHER IT'S A AERONAUTICAL BUSINESS OR VERY LARGE AIRCRAFT, IT'S NOT AN ENTITY THAT CAN JUST GRAB THE HANGAR AND GO, IT TENDS TO BE A LONGER PROCESS, RIGHT? THEY'RE ACQUIRING AN AIRCRAFT, THE AIRCRAFT IS BEING MOVED FROM A LOCATION, OR THE BUSINESS IS BEING BUILT, OR THE, SO, UM, FOR THE LARGEST ONES, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE GAP BETWEEN, UM, ONE TENANT LEAVING ANOTHER ONE, UH, MOVING IN CAN BE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT JUST BECAUSE THOSE HANGERS DON'T ALWAYS MAT MATCH, UM, YOUR AVERAGE.
UM, EVEN THOUGH OUR LARGER HANGER DEMAND, UM, UH, USE CASE.
UH, SO, SO YEAH, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF A, FOR THE BIGGER ONES, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED.
HONESTLY, THE BIGGEST HANGERS DON'T TEND TO BE THE, THE MOST ECONOMICALLY, UM, PROFITABLE.
AND FOR THE AIRPORT, ODDLY ENOUGH, UM, JUST BECAUSE OF THAT AND SOME OTHER CONSIDERATIONS, THEY TEND TO TAKE THE MOST MAINTENANCE, THE DOORS HAVE TO BE INSPECTED EVERY SIX MONTHS.
UM, SO, AND THAT, THAT NEEDS TO BE PART OF THE CONSIDERATION TOO, IS, IS IS SIX LARGE HANGERS JUST TOO MUCH, YOU KNOW, TO, TO KIND OF KEEP UP WITH.
UM, UH, SO ANYWAY, UM, YEAH, IT'S, BUT AS FAR AS THE, THE OVERALL DEMAND, I THINK THE, THE BIGGEST IS FOR THAT, UH, 50 TO 55, I WOULD SAY UP TO 60 KIND OF, UM, THAT, THAT SEEMS TO BE OUR, OUR BIGGEST, UM, DEMAND.
THERE'S QUITE A FEW PROP JETS THAT ARE WAITING TO COME TO PETALUMA AS SOON AS HANGERS, UM, BECOME AVAILABLE.
AND THEN, AND THEN, UM, AND THIS IS MORE DESIGNED AS KIND OF DOWN THE LINE, BUT THEN WHAT, WHAT KIND OF FACILITIES THESE HANGERS HAVE? ARE THEY JUST A HANGER? DO THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE ARE EXPERIENCING THAT WITH ROW 18 RIGHT NOW, WHERE IT'S JUST A HANGAR.
THEY'RE, A LOT OF 'EM DON'T HAVE MUCH MORE THAN THAT UNLESS IT'S INSTALLED BY THE, THE TENANT.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHO BEARS THAT COST IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, SO, THERE'S SO MANY QUESTIONS AND I FEEL LIKE THAT'S MORE OF A KIND OF A DESIGN, BUT, BUT TO AS FAR AS DEMAND.
TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SORRY, QUITE A TANGENT THERE.
UM, THAT THE, THE SWEET SPOT SEEMS TO BE THAT KIND OF 50 TO 55 FOOT, UM, FOOT SIZE.
IS THERE ANY FEEDBACK THAT YOU'D KINDA LIKE TO GIVE THE,
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THE DESIGN TEAM OR THE, AND, AND THE FEASIBILITY STUDY, UM, FOLKS, AS FAR AS KIND OF SOME OF THE SPECIFICS THAT YOU'D BE LOOKING FOR IN SOME OF THESE ASPECTS THAT WE REALLY HAVEN'T MENTIONED OR, OR EXPAND UPON? I, I WOULD JUST SAY, I THINK IT WOULD BE PROBABLY SMART TO START WITH THE PROJECTED DEMAND AND KIND OF SEE AND GO FROM THERE AND SEE, WE COULD, WE COULD COME UP ALL DAY WITH DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, LAYOUTS AND THINGS, BUT UNLESS WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, I MEAN, IT MAY BE THAT WE JUST END UP PUTTING IN, YOU KNOW, ONE SMALL ROW BOX HANGERS AND THE RESTY HANGERS.I, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
UM, SO I, I'D PREFER TO SEE SOMETHING IN WRITING AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DEMAND AND THEN GO FROM THERE.
UM, I GUESS ONE THING WE COULD DO IS, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT WHEN YOU GET CALLS ASKING FOR USE, WE CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE HANGERS OF THE SIZE, BUT IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO NOTATE, JUST TAKE A SIDE TALLY OF THINGS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR THAT WE MAYBE DON'T HAVE, JUST TO HELP US GET AN IDEA OF WHAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE DID HAVE IT, UM, WHAT THE DEMAND WOULD BE LIKE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I THINK ONE, THE, ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS I KIND OF WANTED TO GET FEEDBACK ON WITH, WITH SOME OF THESE LAYOUTS IS, IS NOT DEVELOPING TEE HANGERS.
YOU KNOW, UM, IF, IF, YOU KNOW, WITH THE EXPERIENCE OF THE, UM, CONSULTANT AND OUR OWN EXPERIENCE LOOKING AT TEE HANGER DEMAND IS, IS NOT DEVELOPING TEE HANGERS, IS THAT AN ACCEPTABLE, YOU THINK, A WAY FORWARD GIVEN THAT SOME OF THE BOX HANGERS WILL BE TAKEN BY CURRENT TEE TENANTS AND KIND OF WILL OPEN UP? UH, YEAH, I MEAN, THAT, THAT, IS THAT THE CONCEPT THAT MAY VERY WELL BE A, A QUESTION I, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO.
THAT'S WHY IT, IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE MAKE SURE THE CURRENT TEE HANGERS WE HAVE ARE ALL OCCUPIED BY THE PROP FOR THE PROPER USES, RIGHT? THEN SEE WHERE WE'RE AT WITH OUR WAITING LIST FOR THE CURRENT SIZE HANGERS THAT WE HAVE, AND THEN TRY TO GAUGE, OKAY, IF WE DID HAVE A D YOU KNOW, ALTERNATIVE SIZE HANGERS, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE DEMAND LIKE FOR THAT? AND THEN PUT THAT TOGETHER WITH WHAT MEAD AND HUNT COMES UP WITH AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY SEE OUT THERE IN THE MARKET.
BECAUSE IN SOME CASES YOU CAN SAY, YOU KNOW, BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME.
UM, AND THEY'RE, THEY MAY WELL BE THAT THERE'S JUST NOT MANY PEOPLE MAKING CALLS FOR HANGERS THAT WE DON'T HAVE BECAUSE THEY KNOW WE DON'T HAVE 'EM.
SO, UM, IF, IF WE DID HAVE 'EM THEN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT WOULD CHANGE.
BUT, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'M SURE MEAD AND HUNT WOULD PROBABLY HAVE A BETTER GAUGE ON THAN WE WOULD LOCALLY.
UM, THERE IS A CURRENT, UH, HANGAR PROJECT UP NORTH, UM, THAT WE HAVE TARGETED AS, 'CAUSE WE, WE ASKED ME HUNT FOR A LIST OF RECENT PROJECTS AND THEY, THEY GAVE US A LIST.
SO I THINK THAT'LL BE, BE LEANING ON THAT PROJECT TO, UH, AND MAYBE SOME OF THE DATA THEY HAVE TO KIND OF WITH THAT, BECAUSE THERE JUST, THERE HASN'T BEEN A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT.
IN FACT, THE LIST OF, I THINK IT WAS EIGHT OR 10 SIGNIFICANT HANGAR PROJECTS, UM, IN THE LAST DECADE, I MEAN, IS ONE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK SAN OBISPO WAS IN THERE WITH A MM-HMM
UM, I MEAN, SO THERE'S JUST, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF DATA ON DEVELOPMENT TO BE HAD.
UM, WE'LL DO OUR BEST, BUT THE DEMAND IS GONNA BE, IT MAY BE LIMITED DATA.
WE'LL DO THE BEST THAT WE CAN TO, TO PARSE THAT OUT AND GET THE BEST WE CAN, BUT, YEAH.
IS, IS THE CURRENT HANGAR, WAS THAT HANGAR PROJECT IN SANTA ROSA OR, I DON'T KNOW.
UM, FURTHER NORTH, I WANNA SAY IT WAS, UH, NORTHERN CALIFORNIA OR OREGON.
WE'LL GET, WE'LL GET THAT DATA, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL GET A DRAFT, UM, DOCUMENT TOGETHER THAT HAS A LOT OF THIS IN IT, AND THEN AS WE'LL GET A LITTLE BIT OF FEEDBACK JUST TO, IN CASE THERE'S SOME SECTIONS THAT ARE KIND OF MISSING SOME ITEMS AND WE'LL, BUT WE WILL PROVIDE ALL OF THAT AND, UM, YEAH, WE'LL, WE WILL GET, GET THE BEST DATA AND, UM, AND INFORMATION FROM OTHER, UM, UH, MUNICIPAL DEVELOPERS, UH, ALONG WITH THAT.
AND I WOULD JUST SAY PROBABLY THE NEXT THING TO ASK IS ARE THERE ANY PROJECTS IN THE PIPELINE AT SANTA ROSA OR NAPA THAT WE KNOW OF? UM, 'CAUSE THAT COULD CHANGE IT TOO, IF THEY HAVE PLANS TO EXPAND AT THIS TIME.
THE ONLY ONE I KNOW OF IS PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT, UM, AND, AND THAT'S, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS ANY PUBLIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.
AND, AND LIKE I SAID, THEY ARE, THEY'RE VERY RARE AND HAVE BEEN OVER THE LAST DECADE MM-HMM
UM, UH, UH, FOR A, A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT REASONS.
I HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL DETAILS THAT I'D LIKE TO REQUEST BE IN, IN THE NEXT PHASE OF THE REPORT.
UM, I FOUND YOUR COMMENT ABOUT, UM, DIFFERING MAINTENANCE COSTS AND DIFFERENT SORT OF GRAPHIC MARGINS.
ON THE SIZES OF HANGAR IS VERY INTERESTING.
IF WE COULD TABULATE THAT FOR THE DIFFERENT SIZES THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING, THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
UM, THAT COULD HELP US WITH THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS AS WELL FROM THE COST AND UPKEEP SIDE.
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PIECE THAT, UH, THINKING ABOUT PHASING, UM, IN ADDITION TO ANY IMPACTS ON OVERALL PROJECT COSTS THAT, THAT MIGHT HAVE, WE MIGHT WANNA CONSIDER, UH, LAYOUTS THAT ALLOW US TO LEAVE THE CITY'S GRAVEL PIT ALONE FOR AS LONG AS POSSIBLE, UM, AND SORT OF FOCUS ON THE OTHER SIDE, RIGHT.THE, YOU KNOW, UM, OF THE, BUT YOU KNOW, CLOSER TO THE EXISTING BUILDINGS, I CONTINUE TO BUILD OUT THAT, THAT TOP ROW AS IT WERE.
UM, AND THEN CONSIDER PHASING DOWN AFTER THAT.
SO THAT MIGHT BE A CONSIDERATION IN TERMS OF WHAT WE WANT BUILD OUT AS WELL, WHICH WOULD MEAN THAT WE WOULD POTENTIALLY WANT A LAYOUT THAT HAS MORE DIVERSITY OF HANGAR OPTIONS IN THAT QUADRANT AS OPPOSED TO ALL OF THE BIG ONES ARE IN THAT QUADRANT.
SO NOW WE ONLY HAVE THE LARGEST SIZE AND WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, SO DIVERSITY OF HANGER SPACE BY QUADRANT MIGHT FACILITATE THE PHASING AS WELL.
THAT WAS ONE ITEM THAT WAS BROUGHT UP.
IF, IF WE CAN'T, UM, IF WE COULDN'T, UH, NOT A PROJECT THAT DEVELOPED THAT WHOLE AREA THAN IF WE PHASED IT, WHETHER THAT WAS YES.
ALONGSIDE EXISTING TRYING TO MINIMIZE NEW PAVEMENT.
UM, ALSO KEEPING IN MIND THE, ALL THE UTILITIES THAT WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO COME THROUGH SKY RANCH MM-HMM
UM, BUT MAYBE NOT THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALL SOMETHING WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT DURING THE BE PROBABLY THE DESIGN PHASE.
SO YEAH, IT WAS JUST LIKE CONSIDERING BEING GOOD NEIGHBORS, RIGHT? LIKE IF WE COULD BUILD OUT THAT, YEAH.
WE HAVE THE EXISTING HANGERS IN THE TOP RIGHT QUADRANT, IF WE COULD BUILD UP THE TOP LEFT QUADRANT.
LIKE THAT MIGHT BE, UM, MIGHT BE A NICE, A NICE WAY TO APPROACH IT.
I THINK AT ONE POINT WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT YEARS AGO, I KNOW THAT THE COST OF TRENCHING IN THE UTILITIES IS NOT INSIGNIFICANT, ESPECIALLY FOR FIRE SUPPRESSION, RIGHT? MM-HMM
SO ANY PROJECT THAT WE DO, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND PHASING, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA REALLY BE ABLE TO PHASE IN THE WATER IF IT'S GONNA HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY.
BUT TO THE, BUT MAYBE THAT'S AN UPFRONT COST THAT THEN WE GET TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IN THE SECOND PHASE, RIGHT? SO I, MAYBE, MAYBE SOME OF THE COSTS AREN'T DISTRIBUTED, BUT IT STILL MIGHT BE THE RIGHT, ANYWAY, JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
THINGS THAT CAN BE PHASED AND THINGS THAT CAN'T.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR, UH, FOR SHARING THIS TONIGHT.
THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF A GOOD CONVERSATION.
UM, WE HAD SAID FOR, UH, IMMEDIATE NEXT STEPS IN ADDITION TO THE QUESTIONS AND REQUESTS THAT WE JUST HEARD, UM, BRINGING THIS INTO THE HANGER, EXISTING HANGAR AD HOC COMMITTEE.
IF THERE'S ANYONE
SO YOU GUYS WILL COORDINATE ABOUT AD HOC COMMITTEE MEETINGS? YEAH.
I THINK THAT BRINGS US TO COMMITTEE COMMENT.
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WE HAVE A CITY COUNCIL UPDATE.UM, I'VE GOT NO UPDATES TONIGHT.
CAN I ASK ABOUT, NOT NECESSARILY FOR YOU, BUT JUST SPEAKING OF THE CITY COUNCIL, UM, DO WE HAVE A, A STATUS ON OUR TITLE 16 REVISIONS? I KNOW WE'VE BEEN HOPING TO HAVE THAT FOR CONSIDERATION BACK FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY TONIGHT, BUT WE DON'T.
UM, DAN, DO YOU KNOW WHEN WE'RE EXPECTING THAT? ARE WE STILL ON TRACK TO HAVE THAT FOR NEXT MONTH FOR TITLE 16? YEAH.
UH, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE I THINK KIND OF MADE THE LAST REVISION, UH, TODAY.
AND SO WE SHOULD, YEAH, WE SHOULD EASILY GET THAT ON THE, THE NEXT, UM, MEETING.
WE ALSO GOT, WE RECEIVED SOME FAA FEEDBACK, UM, SO THEY HAVE SEEN IT, THEY'VE REVIEWED IT.
UM, AND WE'LL SHARE THAT PRETTY MINOR, UM, ADS OR EDITS.
UM, THE INTENT WOULD BE IF THERE WEREN'T ANY MAJOR, UM, ANY MAJOR ISSUES WITH THAT PARTICULAR VERSION WITH THE, THE CITY ATTORNEY, UH, OFFICE MARKUP THAT WE COULD HAVE A AIRPORT COMMISSION RESOLUTION FOR THAT IN JUNE.
PRESENT, PRESENT IT, PRESENT THE DRAFT IN MAY, UM, JUNE RESOLUTION, AND THEN A FIRST READING FOR COUNCIL, UM, TENTATIVELY YOU HAVE ON THE CALENDAR FOR, UM, JULY.
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IT SOUNDS LIKE THE FASTEST WE COULD HAVE PULL IT OFFHOPEFULLY THE GOAL, THE GOAL BEING, UM, LIKE WE TOLD THE FA THAT FA KIND OF ASKED FOR A DEADLINE OR, UH, UH, ESTIMATED COMPLETION MM-HMM
SO WE'RE TRYING, WE'RE TRYING TO GET BY THE END OF SUMMER, THAT'S OUR JULY SUMMER.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR ALEX, PLEASE.
UH, AND ONE OF THE LAST MEETINGS WE TALKED, DISCUSSED ABOUT SOME OF THE LIMITATIONS WITH THE, UH, DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT DAN WAS ABLE TO ISSUE MM-HMM
UM, HAVE YOU GOTTEN ANY ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK FROM COUNSEL IN REGARDS TO THAT? UH, ANY POSSIBILITY OF GETTING IT INCREASED? NO, I, EXCUSE ME.
AS I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT GOING FROM 30,000 TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND.
UM, I, I HAVE NOT, AND I ALSO NEED TO FOLLOW UP WITH DANLEY ABOUT THE BROWN ACT QUESTIONS THAT WE'VE HAD AS WELL.
UM, SO I, I, I DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF HOMEWORK TO DO THERE.
I NEED TO CATCH UP ON, WE WERE WAITING ON DANLEY TO GET BACK FOR THAT ONE CONVERSATION TOO.
UM, WE WERE, BUT I THINK HE GOT AWAY FROM US.
SO, UM, I MADE A NOTE RIGHT BEFORE I MENTIONED IT, THAT
UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION POINTS OR QUESTIONS WHERE WE NEED TO COORDINATE WITH COUNCIL? I THINK WAS COVERED IT.
THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THAT UP.
ANY AD HOC COMMITTEE, UH, REPORTS? YEAH, I JUST GOT A BRIEF UPDATE.
UM, I'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH FORMER COMMISSIONER, UH, BARRY LAWRENCE, AND HE AND I ARE SORT OF THE DEFACTO, UM, LIAISON AD HOC COMMITTEE.
AND I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT, UH, UH, BARRY IS GOING TO BE CONTACTING AND WORKING TO, UM, SET SOME MEETING DATES, UH, FIRST WITH ALEX, OUR COUNCIL REP, AND THEN, UH, TWO OF THE NEWER, UH, DIRECTORS, UH, IN CITY HALL.
AND FOR THOSE THREE THEN GIVE THEM BASICALLY OUR AIRPORT UPDATE AS WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST SO THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE, ON THE SAME BOAT PADDLING DOWN THE RIVER, SO TO SPEAK,
UM, SO ANYWAY, I JUST, HE, HE'S WORKING ON THAT.
I HAVEN'T HEARD BACK FROM HIM YET, BUT HE SAID HE WAS GONNA TRY TO SET MEETINGS SOMETIME IN APRIL OR WHENEVER IT'S CONVENIENT FOR THOSE FOLKS.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN CONTACTED YET, ALEC, BUT, UM, THAT SHOULD BE COMING.
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER COMMENT? ALL RIGHT.
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UH, THEN WE ARE TO THE AIRPORT MANAGER REPORT, PLEASE.OH, BEFORE WE GET THERE, I, I DO HAVE ONE QUICK COMMENT, UH, COMMISSIONER COMMENT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE HAVE NOTED, BUT I SAW, I'VE SEEN A COUPLE OF ARTICLES ON SOME OF OUR A OPA DAILY EMAIL BRIEFS.
AND IT WAS INTERESTING, I NOTED THAT, UM, THE FAA HAS DEEMED THE PROHIBITION TO THE SALE OF AGAS AVIATION GASOLINE IN SANTA CLARA COUNTY, UH, TO BE A VIOLATION OF THE FAA GRANT ASSURANCES.
UM, AND SO THE, UH, COUNTY THERE IS WILL BE PROVIDING AT, UM, REED HILLVIEW AND SAN MARTIN, I BELIEVE, UH, REGULAR, UH, AVIATION GASOLINE.
UM, AND, UM, SO FAR THAT SEEMS LIKE, UM, A GOOD, UM, UM, FOUNDATION SET FOR ANY OTHER AIRPORT IN THE COUNTRY, OR AT LEAST STATE, UM, WHERE THAT SALE AND AVAILABILITY OF THAT AVIATION FUEL IS, UH, RESTRICTED IN SOME WAY.
SO ANYWAY, THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD.
'CAUSE IT, IT LEADS TO A REALLY SIGNIFICANT SAFETY ISSUE, UM, IF THAT FUEL IS NOT AVAILABLE.
SO ANYWAY, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU ALL UPDATED AWARE OF THAT.
I JUST REAL QUICK ON THE FINANCIALS, UM, AS OF THE END OF FEBRUARY, UH, WE HAD ABOUT 1.45 MILLION IN REVENUE, AND WE'RE SHOWING 1.48 IN, UH, EXPENDITURES.
WE'RE EVENING UP, UH, AS WE ARE KIND OF AROUND THE CORNER.
UH, THAT'S, UM, THE EIGHTH MONTH OF, OF THE, I BELIEVE THAT'S THE EIGHTH, UM, FISCAL MONTH, UH, OF THE YEAR.
WE'RE COMING UP ON THE THREE QUARTER.
AND, UM, YEAH, WE'RE, WE ARE, WE'RE PROGRESSING REALLY NICELY.
UM, AND WE STILL HAVEN'T SEEN ANY, ANY, UM, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE HAVEN'T SEEN OUR INCOME FROM, UM, SOME OF THE COUNTY TAX, UH, AIRCRAFT AND OTHERWISE.
UM, SO THAT WILL DEFINITELY, UM, CHANGE THOSE NUMBERS AS WE MOVE TOWARDS JUNE.
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PAID FOR THE HANGAR REPAIR, UH, WHICH IS IN MY LIST LATER ON HERE.BUT, UM, YEAH, OVERALL, UH, TRACKING VERY WELL FOR THE, FOR THE FISCAL YEAR, UH, UH, REVENUE AND EXPENDITURES.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT FINANCIALS BEFORE I MOVE ON? UH, JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.
UH, DAN AND I MET, UH, A WEEK OR TWO BACK ON TO REVIEW THE BUDGET GOING FORWARD.
AND AS YOU'RE PROBABLY ALL AWARE, WE'LL WE WILL BE, UM, BASICALLY DEBT FREE
AND IT'S FORTUITOUS THAT, THAT, UH, COMES TO BE.
WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PROJECTS THAT, UH, ARE NOT FAA FUNDABLE, WHICH WE HAVE TO PROVIDE THE REVENUE TO SUPPORT AND, UM, TAXI REPAIRS AND HANGAR REPAIRS AND ONE THING IN ANOTHER.
SO, UM, IT'S FORTUITOUS THAT THE, UM, LOAN WILL BE PAID OFF, AND WE'LL HAVE THAT FINANCIAL FLEXIBILITY TO PAY FOR THOSE PROJECTS WE NEED GOING FORWARD.
AND, UM, ALSO TO SET US UP FOR WHATEVER, UM, WE'RE ABLE TO DO, UH, TO DO HANGAR DEVELOPMENT WISE IN THE PROJECTS WE DISCUSSED EARLIER.
SO, UM, IT'S NOT AS THOUGH ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAVE THIS HALF MILLION DOLLAR WINDFALL THAT WE CAN DO WHATEVER WE WANT WITH, UM, THERE'S SOME SIGNIFICANT ISSUES WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF AT THE AIRPORT THAT DAN'S GOT IN THE PLANS.
UM, AND THAT FUNDING WILL BE CRITICAL TO MAKE SURE WE CAN ACCOMPLISH THOSE.
UM, SO ANYWAY, JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP FOR YOU AND DAN, WE'RE ABLE TO JUST INCREASE OUR RESERVE AMOUNT TOO IN THE SHORT TERM IF WE NEED, IF, IF THAT'S HOW IT WORKS OUT, SO THAT WE HAVE MORE CAPITAL AVAILABLE TO START A BUILDING PROJECT.
IN YEARS PAST, AND I, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I STILL NEED TO FOLLOW UP WITH THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT TO SEE WHAT THE MOST RECENT UNDERSTANDING IS, BUT IN THE YEARS PAST, THE, THE TARGET WAS 25% OF ANNUAL, UM, EXPENDITURES PLUS 300,000, I BELIEVE WAS THE, THAT'S KIND OF THEIR, THEIR TARGET GOAL FOR THE FUND.
HOWEVER, IF WE CAN JUSTIFY, UM, FUTURE PROJECT BENDING, OBVIOUSLY THAT WE CAN BUILD THAT FUND UP, UM, AND, UH, WE WILL BE, UM, A LOT OF WHAT THAT FUND WILL BE, UH, WILL BE DETERMINED BY HOW MUCH, UH, GRANT FUNDING WE GET FOR THESE TWO UPCOMING PROJECTS.
UM, UH, WE COULD DRAW IT DOWN PRETTY, UH, PRETTY HEAVILY IF WE, IF WE GO THE FULL, UM, BID AND BUILD ALTERNATES.
UM, BUT YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF OUR, OUR PLAN IS SOME OF THAT FUND WILL WILL GROW, UM, BUT THERE IS DIRECT, UM, USE PLAN FOR THAT.
UH, I WAS ASKED TO, UH, GIVE AN UPDATE ON THE FUEL FARM.
UM, WE INITIALLY PLANNED TO HAVE A CONTRACTOR ON SITE THIS WEEK, UH, TO CHANGE IT OUT, BUT THERE WAS A CONFLICT, UM, ON THE CONTRACTOR SIDE.
SO RIGHT NOW, UM, THE PLANE IS THE WEEK OF THE 14TH, UH, WILL BE, THE CONTRACTOR WILL BE ARRIVING OUT.
UH, WE HAVE THE TWO VALVES, UM, TO BE INSTALLED.
THEY'RE BEING TAPPED THIS WEEK.
UH, THE LOCAL, UH, MACHINE SHOP, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE TAPPING THE OTHER STANDBY DEVICE TOO AS WELL, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S READY TO GO IN CASE WE EVER NEED IT.
UM, THERE WOULD BE A DELAY THERE.
UM, BUT YEAH, THAT THE, UH, THE CURRENT ESTIMATE IS THE WEEK OF THE 14TH, AND THAT'LL BE, UM, OVERFLOW VALVE CHANGE, UH, FILTER CHANGE, AND THEN, UM, A FEW OTHER MINOR ITEMS THAT WE'LL BE TRYING TO ADDRESS AT THE SAME TIME.
UM, THERE WON'T, WE DON'T REALLY PLAN ON ANY MAJOR, UM, UH, LOSS OF SERVICE DURING THAT TIME.
I DON'T BELIEVE WE'LL EVEN HAVE TO SHUT DOWN THE, UM, THE SELF-SERVE DURING THAT PROCESS, SINCE WE'RE, IT'S MORE OF A TOP END, UM, REPAIR AND, UH, WON'T AFFECT THE, UH, THE PUMP SYSTEM.
SO DAN, I JUST WANNA CONFIRM, SO YOU HAVE A BACKUP PUMP THAT THAT'S THERE.
SO IF THIS PUMP FAILS, THEN WE'RE YOU GOT ONE THIS QUICKLY REPLACED? YES, THE VALVE FAILS.
THERE'S THE SECOND VALVE HERE.
AND THEN WHEN THEY'RE REPAIRING IT, THEY'RE DOING THIS, THE NEW FILL, THE, THE, THE PUMP, IS THAT ALSO GONNA ADDRESS THE ISSUE THAT'S BEEN HAPPENING WITH, I GUESS, THE VALVE CAUSING THE OVERFLOW OR NOT BEING ABLE TO FLOW IN? YES.
AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION, WHICH IS KIND OF MORE BROADER IN TERMS OF THE FUEL FARMS, I KNOW YOU'VE GOT A, A PROJECT AT SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE.
AS I'VE GONE THROUGH SORT OF THE TIMELINES ON IT, TO ME, WE'RE GETTING TO A POINT WHERE THIS NEEDS TO BE SORT OF BECOMING FRONT AND CENTER, OR WE'RE GONNA RUN OUT OF TIME.
WHERE ARE YOU WITHIN THAT PROCESS? BECAUSE I KNOW YOU HAD TO, I GUESS, SUBMIT FOR, I GUESS, SCOPE OF WORK THAT WAS THE FIRST SEGMENT AND GOING THERE, AND THAT
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WAS, THAT'S GONNA TAKE, UM, I DON'T KNOW, YOU, YOU AND I WENT KIND OF THROUGH IT WITH, THERE ARE, ARE YOU AT A POINT WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING READY TO START WORKING ON THAT PROCESS? YEP.OR, AND IF NOT, DO YOU HAVE AN ANTICIPATED DATE WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU'D LIKE TO GET THAT GUILT GOING? YES.
EARLIEST WE CAN, UM, GET GOING ON THAT WOULD BE, UH, SUMMER JULY WHEN WE, WE START THE NEW FISCAL.
SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE GOING THROUGH BUDGET, UH, PROCESS.
THE BUDGET HAS NOT BEEN COMPLETELY APPROVED.
UM, HOPEFULLY BY MAY OR SO, WE PROBABLY WILL KNOW.
BUT, UM, MAY, JUNE WE'LL HAVE OUR BUDGET, UM, ONCE WE ROLL TO THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, THEN WE COULD START, UH, THE PROCESS OF WORKING TOWARDS GETTING A SCOPE AND, UM, POSSIBLY DESIGN DONE IN FISCAL YEAR, UM, UH, 26 STARTING, UH, JULY 1ST.
AND THAT'S GONNA BE, UM, BUT LEAST YOU'RE ASKING LIKE, WHAT'S THE DATE? WE'RE TALKING TWO YEARS REALISTICALLY.
SO I KNOW YOU SAID THAT AT 27 MM-HMM
WE'RE DUE FOR AN INSPECTION ON THE, THE TANKS.
IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT.
WHEN IN 27 DOES IT MEAN ANYTIME IN 27 THEY COULD SHOW UP JANUARY ONE OR THEY COULD SHOW UP DECEMBER 31ST? IS THERE THERE A WINDOW THAT, THAT I I THINK IT'S A, UH, I, TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, IT'S, IT'S A PRETTY BROAD WINDOW THAT IS THE, THAT IS THE MANUFACTURER.
UM, BASED ON THE, THE PRODUCT THAT WE PURCHASED, THE, UM, THE INSPECTION WOULD BE DUE SOMETIME IN 27.
AND WILL WE NEED THAT WORK THAT YOU'RE GONNA SCOPE OUT COMPLETED TO PASS THAT INSPECTION? I AS LONG, I THINK AS LONG AS THAT PROCESS HAS STARTED, I DON'T THINK WE, IT'S A DROP DEAD DATE ON IN 27.
BUT, UM, THE INTENT WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WOULD BE ADDRESSED IN 27.
THAT, THAT WOULD BE A CONCERN OF MINE.
BECAUSE IF THEY, TO UNDERSTAND NOW THAT WE'VE GOT WHAT THE, THAT WINDOW IS, AND TWO, IS IT ACCEPTABLE, THIS IS IN PROCESS, AND DO WE HAVE TO HAVE A FINITE TIME WHEN IT'S GONNA COMPLETED JUST TO UNDERSTAND THOSE DETAILS.
'CAUSE THE WORST THING THAT COULD HAPPEN IS THAT WE GOT THE SCOPE AND, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING HAPPENS.
THEY'RE LIKE, OKAY, IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT DONE BY X DATE, YOU CAN'T SELL FUEL.
SO, I, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE NICE TO GET ALL OUTTA THAT, THAT CONFIRMED THAT I DON'T BELIEVE WAS A RE A REALITY.
AND, UM, I THINK YOU'LL FIND A LOT OF INDUSTRY TANKS ARE PAST THEIR INSPECTION DATE, SO, OKAY.
THE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, UM, IS AWARE OF SOME OF THESE REQUIREMENTS.
UH, THEY DO ALL THE INSPECTIONS ANNUALLY.
UM, IT'S A CONVERSATION WE'LL HAVE WITH THEM, BUT, UM, I, I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT GOING PAST MORE THREE OR FOUR MONTHS, PAST 27 AT THE MAX.
UM, SO I THINK THAT'S THE INTENT.
YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO SEE WHERE IT'S, THAT WAS A GREAT, GREAT QUESTION.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT FUEL FARM, UH, FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? NO, UH, JUST WANNA MENTION CAL DART.
UM, I, I THINK PROBABLY MOST OF THE COMMISSIONERS ARE AWARE OF IT, BUT, UH, CAL DART IS A, UM, A PROGRAM WITHIN CALIFORNIA WHERE, UM, UH, THE PRIVATE PILOT COMMUNITY, UM, VOLUNTEERS SET UP A NETWORK OF, UM, TRANSPORTATION SYSTEMS IN THE CASE OF A DISASTER.
SO BE, BE BEING ABLE TO MOVE SMALLER ITEMS, MEDICINE PEOPLE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, IMPORTANT, SMALLER, LESS HEAVY, UM, INTENSIVE, UH, WEIGHT INTENSIVE, UH, CARGO ACROSS THE STATE.
UM, AND SO, UH, THE NEXT EXERCISE IS COMING UP, UH, APRIL 26TH.
AND THE, THE CITY'S GONNA TRY TO PARTICIPATE AS BEST WE CAN.
IT'S MORE JUST A, UM, AN AIRCRAFT MAKING THE ROUNDS TO CERTAIN AIRPORTS WITHIN THE NETWORK.
UM, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, PROUD TO, TO SUPPORT.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AS WE THINK ABOUT FUTURE, UM, BACKUP SYSTEMS AND BEING, BEING READY TO OFFER FUEL AND OFFER POWER AND A PLACE TO, TO MEET, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DEFINITELY WANNA BE PART OF THIS.
AND, UM, IN CASE THERE EVER IS AN ISSUE, UH, I THINK THE PETAL AIRPORT WILL BE WELL SUITED TO BE, UM, A MAJOR PART OF THAT NETWORK.
SO IF YOU WANNA GET INVOLVED, UM, YOU CAN JUST KIND OF GOOGLE CAL DART IF YOU NEED.
UM, IF YOU CAN'T FIND ANY INFO AND JUST TO CONTACT THE AIRPORT, WE'D BE HAPPY TO SEND YOU SOME LINKS.
UM, BUT YOU CAN SIGN UP, UM, ON THEIR SITE AND, UM, AND, AND THEY BASICALLY ASK WHAT, UH, YOUR, UM, YOUR ROLE IS AS FAR AS, ARE YOU A PILOT? ARE YOU A, YOU KNOW, AVIATION INTEREST, UH, INTERESTED PARTY OR WHATNOT? AND THEN THEY CAN, UM, KIND OF MAKE LISTS, UM, AND KIND OF BUILD A DATABASE OF PEOPLE THAT ARE WILLING TO, TO VOLUNTEER AND HELP.
SO ANYWAY, JUST WANTED TO DO A PLUG FOR, UH, CAL DART AND JUST LET, UM, COMMISSIONER KNOW THAT WE ARE, WE ARE A PARTICIPATING.
UM, IF THERE'S ANY OTHER ITEMS FOR
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OPERATIONS, UH, GONNA GO INTO PROJECTS.UH, WE HAD OUR, UM, PRE-BID MEETING THIS MORNING AT THE AIRPORT.
UH, WE HAD SEVERAL CONTRACTORS THAT, UM, UH, WERE GIVEN A, UM, A BRIEF PRESENTATION ON, UM, THE BID, A BID PROCESS.
AND THEN THE, UM, THEY WALK THE FIELD, THE TAX LANE, BRAVO, AND A TAXIWAY ALPHA.
AND SO THAT, UM, I BELIEVE WE ARE OPENING BIDS, I WANNA SAY, UM, APRIL 17TH.
UM, IT'S, IT'S ON THE, OUR WEBSITE, BUT, UM, WE, WE WILL BE, UM, UH, WE ARE MOVING VERY QUICKLY TO, UM, TO TENTATIVELY AWARD A BID, UM, FOR THIS, FOR BOTH PROJECTS THAT ARE SEPARATE PROJECTS AND, UM, APPLYING, UM, BASED ON THE, THE BIDS WE GET, WE WILL APPLY TO THE FA UM, GRANT, THE, THE TWO GRANTS, UH, IN MAY.
AND THEN THE EXPECTATION IS, UM, SOMEWHERE, UH, USUALLY MID LATE AUGUST, EARLY SEPTEMBER, WE WILL GET NOTIFICATION ON WHETHER WE OR NOT WE HAVE, UH, AWARD OF THOSE BIDS.
IF WE DO, THEN WE WILL, UM, WORK WITH THE CONTRACTOR ON, UM, NOTICE TO PROCEED AND WHAT THAT, THAT, UH, SCHEDULING IS GONNA LOOK LIKE.
BUT THAT'S OUR, WE ARE, WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE, UH, THE BID PROCESS FOR THOSE TWO PROJECTS.
UM, WE'RE, WE'RE FAIRLY CONFIDENT THAT WE WILL HAVE THE BASE BID, UM, THE, THE MINIMAL FUNDING THAT WOULD, HAS BEEN ALLOCATED, UH, THROUGH THE A IP PROGRAM.
IT'S NOT OUR GUARANTEE UNTIL IT IS AWARDED, BUT THAT WE'RE FAIRLY CONFIDENT THAT THE BASE BID IS GOING TO, UM, WE WILL HAVE THAT AVAILABLE.
AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO TRY TO MAXIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF PAVEMENT AND, UM, SOIL TREATMENT THAT WE CAN, UM, PROVIDE WITH THOSE TWO PROJECTS TO TRY TO GET, UM, THE BEST BANG FOR A BUCK AND, UM, AND, UH, BEING ABLE TO RENEW AS MUCH PAVEMENT AS POSSIBLE.
UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE GLAD THAT'S ALL MOVING FORWARD.
UM, THE, UM, THE ONLY OTHER ITEM, UH, THE, SO THE HANG, THE, UH, HANGER REPAIR, UH, WE, UM, WE'RE JUST, THE ONLY ITEM LEFT IS, UH, SIGNATURE AND STAMP ON THE PLAN SET AND BID SET FOR THAT, UM, THAT PROJECT.
AND THE HOPE IS THAT WE WILL BE OUT TO BID BY THE END OF THE MONTH.
AND, UM, THE INTENTION IS TO TRY TO GET THAT, UH, COMPLETED BY, BY THE END OF THE FISCAL, UH, JULY 1ST.
AND, UH, WE HAVE OUR INTENT OF DOING SO.
UM, AND THAT WILL ALLOW US TO, UH, TO BUILD A, UM, A CLAIM FOR THAT PARTICULAR ITEM, UH, BASED ON THE BID AMOUNT, AND THEN I'LL ALL EXPENDITURES TO DATE.
SO WE'RE, IT'S BEEN A LONG, LONG PROCESS, BUT WE ARE, WE'RE GETTING VERY, VERY CLOSE.
UM, IN FACT, WE'RE PROBABLY NO MORE THAN TWO, THREE WEEKS AWAY FROM, FROM GETTING THAT OUT TO BID.
UM, AND, UM, YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY THAT WE, WE'VE MADE THIS FAR AND WE'RE GONNA GET IT DONE.
SO THERE WAS A LOT OF, I CAN, I CAN JUST TELL YOU THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH ABOUT EVERY LITTLE ASPECT, EVERY MINUTIA THAT, UM, CAME UP DURING THIS, UH, EVERY POSSIBLE CONCEIVABLE, UM, ATTACHMENT TO THAT HANGAR, UH, WAS PART OF THIS DESIGN AND, AND, UM, AND BID PACKAGE.
SO IT, IT WAS A LOT, BUT WE'RE GETTING THERE.
UM, SO ONCE YOU HAVE OPEN THE BIDS MM-HMM
FOR THE WORK, THEN YOU ARE ABLE TO SUBMIT THE CLAIM AND THEN THE PROJECT WOULD BE FUNDED BY AN INSURANCE COMPANY.
IS THAT HOW IT WORKS? WE CAN, WE CAN SUBMIT THE CLAIM ANY TIME AND WE WILL, WE WILL, UM, SUBMIT THE CLAIM, UH, PRIOR TO ANY DEADLINE.
UM, WE'VE ALREADY STARTED A CLAIM BACK IN, UH, 2022.
UM, BUT, UH, YEAH, WE WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET THE MOST ACCURATE, UM, UH, CLAIM.
POSSIBLE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO OVER UNDER, UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, REALLY WAITING FOR THAT, THAT BID TO COME IN SO THAT WE CAN, UM, START THAT CLAIM.
AND THEN, SO DOES THE CLAIM NEED TO BE RESOLVED AND THE FUNDS AWARDED BY THE INSURANCE COMPANY BEFORE THE PROJECT START? BEFORE YOU START? NO, WE JUST HAVE TO, THERE, THERE HAS TO JUST BE, UM, A FORMAL COM, UH, CLAIM BY, BY THE THREE YEAR MARK.
UM, IT COULD BE ARGUED THAT IT ALREADY HAS BEEN.
AND THEN, UH, I BELIEVE I ALREADY UPDATED, BUT THE, THE HANGAR DOOR HAS BEEN SENT TO, UM, THE CIP
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GROUP, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT REALLY A-C-I-P-P PROJECT.UM, OUR ENGINEERS TEND TO, UH, REVIEW ALL, UH, BID DOCUMENTS BEFORE THEY GO OUT.
SO THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE THE PACKAGE THAT I SET UP, UM, THEY'RE REVIEWING IT.
UH, I DON'T HAVE A TIMELINE ON THAT, BUT I'M REALLY HOPING THAT WE CAN GET, UM, TRACTION ON THAT, UM, THIS MONTH AND GET THAT OUT.
UM, IT'S, IT'S A FAIRLY MINOR PROJECT, UM, BUT IT, IT HAS TO, IT FALLS WITHIN ALL THOSE SAME BID DOCUMENTS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BEST, WE CAN, UM, UH, MODIFY THOSE TO, TO MEET THE A, A VERY PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, UM, HANGAR DOOR REPAIR, UM, BASED ON THE REPAIR MANUAL THAT COMES WITH THE DOOR.
IS THAT, IS THAT, ARE WE TALKING, WHICH HANGAR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? UH, UH, AT C AT AND C, YEAH.
I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER, UM, UPDATES.
WERE THERE ANY OTHER PROJECT, UH, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THAT ANYBODY HAD?
ALRIGHT, IF NOTHING ELSE, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
UH, SO THAT BRINGS US TO THE CONCLUSION OF OUR MEETING, UNLESS ANYONE HAS ANY SAVED ROUNDS.
YEAH, I'VE, I'VE GOT ONE BRIEF, UH, UH, ANNOUNCEMENT, SO TO SPEAK, FOR ANYONE WHO MIGHT BE LISTENING IN PROBABLY THREE OR FOUR PEOPLE ANYWAY.
UH, UM, NORMALLY PETALUMA AREA PILOTS ASSOCIATION CONDUCTS OUR MONTHLY DISPLAY DAYS ON THE THIRD SATURDAY OF THE MONTH.
HOWEVER, THIS MONTH, APRIL AND NEXT MONTH MAY, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE IT TO THE SECOND SATURDAY.
REASON BEING, WE WOULD OTHERWISE BE IN CONFLICT WITH THE BUTTER A DAY PARADE.
AND ALSO WITH THE, UH, CLASSIC CARD DISPLAY EVENT IN TOWN.
SO IT'LL BE THE SECOND SATURDAY FOR THIS MONTH AND IN MAY.
AND THEN AFTER THAT, IT'LL GO BACK TO THE STANDARD THIRD SATURDAY.
SO I JUST WANTED EVERYBODY TO BE AWARE OF THAT.
AND I, THE COMMUNITY DEFINITELY APPRECIATES THAT Y'ALL DO THAT, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WELL, GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE.