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UH, COMMISSIONER NAISH AND COMMISSIONER MARGAN ARE ABSENT.
CARLY IS ALSO ABSENT, AND ATTORNEY IS HERE.
UM, DO WE HAVE ANY GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS? NO.
UM, DO WE HAVE ANY PRESENTATIONS? WE DO NOT.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IF ANYONE HAS ANY CORRECTIONS TO THE DRAFT MINUTES.
OTHER THAN THAT, COLIN WAS NOT BOTH HERE AND NOT HERE.
IF YOU LET, IN FACT, UNFORTUNATELY DO NOT HERE LAST MONTH.
SO WE SHOULD REMOVE HIS NAME FROM THE PRESENT NOTED LIST.
WE CAUGHT IT BEFORE WE APPROVE THIS TIME.
UM, ANY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MONTH? YES.
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SO, UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM LAST MONTH? SO, MOVED.[PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION]
ALL RIGHT.PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION.
DAN, YOU WANNA GIVE US AN INTRO OR YOU DO THAT? YES, THANK YOU.
I'M NOT GONNA GET ANYBODY SICK.
ALRIGHT, WE'LL TRY TO ZOOM IN HERE.
UM, SO I'M JUST GONNA GIVE A KIND OF A BRIEF, UM, REVIEW OF THE CHANGES THAT WERE, UM, PROVIDED BY THE, UM, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE THROUGH THE, UH, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEYS AND, UM, AND ALSO THE EASTERN DIVISION.
ALSO REVIEWED THE DOCUMENT, UM, HAD A COUPLE COMMENTS AND, UH, CHANGES.
UH, JUST WANNA THANK YOU, UH, THE COMMISSION, UM, FOR ALL THE WORK AND, UH, ALSO THE PUBLIC FOR ALL THE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WENT INTO THIS DOCUMENT.
AND, UM, MOST OF THESE CHANGES ARE PRETTY MINOR, BUT I JUST WANNA GO THROUGH AND, UM, I'M GONNA SKIP ALL THE, UM, FORMATTING CHANGES.
AND MO JUST GO TO ONES THAT ARE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES, IF ANY.
UM, SO YEAH, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE FIRST ONES UNDER THE DEFINITIONS, UH, THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF KIND OF REWORKING OF THE DEFINITIONS FOR, UH, UAS.
UM, AND, UH, SOME OF THE REFERENCES WERE REMOVED.
UM, THE, THE ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY FELT THAT, UH, C FFR THREE, 3.5 JUST WASN'T AS APPLICABLE, UH, FOR, UH, THE DEFINITION OF VEHICLES.
THAT WAS ANOTHER, UH, CHANGE, UM, BUT PRETTY, PRETTY MINOR CHANGES THERE.
UM, I THINK, UH, WELL, PART OF THE, PART OF THE INTENT OF THE CITY ATTORNEY WA UH, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEYS WAS TO, UH, REMOVE ANY REFERENCES THAT WEREN'T A DIRECT MATCH, UH, FOR THE CONTENT THAT WAS IN, UH, THIS DOCUMENT.
UM, EVEN THOUGH IN SOME CASES MAYBE 80, 90% WAS, IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS, UH, OUTSTANDING, UM, IN, IN THREE, 3.5, UH, BICYCLES AREN'T INCLUDED.
SO THAT WAS THE ONE, KINDA THE ONE, UH, UH, ITEM THAT JUST WASN'T PART OF THAT ORIGINAL DEFINITION.
SO JUST TOOK THAT REFERENCE OUT, BUT LEFT MOST OF THE, THE REST OF IT.
UM, AND AS I GO ALONG, JUST IF THERE'S ANY, UH, QUESTIONS, UH, OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE, UH, INTERRUPT ME AND, UH, WE'LL ADDRESS THOSE.
SO, MOVING FROM THE DEFINITIONS OVER TO, UH, SECTION, UH, 16, UM, 16 0 4, UM, 0 3 0 DUTIES AND POWERS AIRPORT MANAGER.
UM, THERE WAS, UH, WE, THE, UH, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY WANTED TO BREAK OUT THE AIRPORT COMMISSION DEFINITION TO ANOTHER SECTION.
UM, AND SO, UH, DID, DID SO, UH, ALSO IN THAT, THAT SECTION A, UM, REMOVE THE, WILL BE SUPERSEDED BY, UH, JUST BECAUSE IT WAS ALREADY KIND OF DEFINED IN THE PREVIOUS SECTION, OR D IF A CONFLICT OF IS IDENTIFIED BETWEEN TITLE 16 AND OTHER RULES AND REGS.
UM, SO IT JUST SEEMED A LITTLE REDUNDANT, SO THEY WANTED TO REMOVE THAT.
UM, DOWN IN THE NEXT SECTION, THE NEW SECTION, UM, MAKE, CREATE A NEW, UH, THEY CREATE A NEW SECTION 16 0 4 0 3 5 TO DEFINE THE DUTIES OF AIRPORT COMMISSION.
AS ALREADY REFERENCED IN, UM, THE MUNICIPAL CODE 2.6 0.050, UM, THE, UH, THE, THE ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY DID MENTION THAT, UM, THEY LIKED THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE TO, UM, 16 0 4 0 4 0, AND
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IN RELATION TO THE, UH, BASE INSTRUCTORS THAT WAS REMOVED AND KIND OF RE UH, AND THE, THE SECTION ABOVE, WHICH USED TO BE A, NOW IT'S JUST THE, THE MAIN SECTION THEY FEEL IS, UM, MORE THAN APPROPRIATE INCLUDES EVERYBODY THAT USES THE AIRPORT.UM, AND THERE'S NO NEED FOR THE SECTION B AS THE, THE COMMISSION, UH, ORIGINALLY, UM, PUT FORWARD.
SO WE, THAT THAT SECTION, UH, B REMAIN REMAINS, UH, REMOVED.
AND, UM, I THINK EVERYBODY'S HAPPY WITH THAT ONE.
UM, MOVING FORWARD, UM, TO, UH, SECTION 16 0 4 0 9 0 ON THE NEXT PAGE, UH, IT HAS TO DO WITH ANIMALS AT THE AIRPORT.
UH, THEY WANT THE, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WOULD LIKE TO EXPAND, UH, DOGS TO, UH, ALL ANIMALS.
UM, AND, AND I THINK IN LINE ALSO WITH THE OTHER, UH, CHAPTER NINE OF THE MUNICIPAL CODE.
UM, SO THAT WAS A, A CHANGE THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD PREFER.
AND THEN, UM, IN, UH, MOVING FORWARD TO THE OPPOSITE PAGE, 16 0 4 1 3 0 IN REGARDS TO A REPORTING OF, UM, ACCIDENTS.
UH, THEY WOULD LIKE TO JUST CHANGE THE ACCIDENT TO INCIDENT.
UM, I KNOW THERE ARE SOME DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS OF INCIDENT VERSUS ACCIDENT DEPENDING ON WHAT, UH, ENTITY IS WORKING WITH IT.
BUT, UM, INCIDENTS DOES COVER MORE, UM, MORE EVENTS.
SO, YEAH, THAT'S THE WORD WE USED IN THE TEXT AS WELL, SO, OKAY.
IS THAT, WAS THAT NOT A CAO EDIT? MAYBE THAT WAS YOUR EDIT.
I THINK, I THINK THEY CAUGHT IT.
I DON'T THINK WE CAUGHT IT, BUT YEAH, I THINK IT'S CONSISTENT TOO.
I TRIED TO BE REALLY CAREFUL TO TRY TO CAPTURE WHAT, NO, YOU DID A GREAT JOB.
THIS IS, YOU CHANGE YOUR GREEN VERSUS THEIR RED.
UH, GREEN IS THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT, UH, CHANGES.
RED IS THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
BLUE IS FAA, UH, FOR COLOR CODING.
ALRIGHT, MOVING FORWARD, UM, TO THE NEXT PAGES.
UM, SO I THINK THIS HAD BEEN BROUGHT UP PREVIOUSLY WITH, UM, 1604, UH, 1 8 0 1 9 0, AND 200.
UM, THERE ARE SOME REDUNDANCIES BETWEEN THOSE SECTIONS.
UM, AND SOME, MAYBE SOME CONFUSION ON WHAT THE PURPOSE OF EACH WAS.
SO, UH, WHAT THE CIO PREFERRED TO DO WOULD BE TO, UM, TO PUT THAT FIRST SECTION, COMBINE, UH, 1 8 0 AND 1 9 0, WHICH USED TO BE SPECIAL EVENTS PERMITS, AND MOVE THAT INTO PUBLIC AND PRIVATE GATHERINGS.
THAT KIND OF COVERS A LOT OF, A LOT OF THOSE.
THE, THE, UM, BUT CAPTURING THAT, THAT FIRST SECTION OF, UH, EIGHT ZERO, WHICH TALKS ABOUT, UM, SPONSOR, UH, NO PERSON SHALL SPONSOR OR CONDUCT A CLUB ASSOCIATION OR OTHER PRIVATE MEETINGS ON THE AIRPORT PROPERTY EXCEPT AUTHORIZED AND RUNNING BY THE AIRPORT MANAGER.
SO TRYING TO CAPTURE THAT, UM, FOR, FOR CLUB ACTIVITIES, UM, THAT ARE, THAT ARE RECOGNIZED BY THE CITY, UM, BUT ALSO DIFFERENTIATING THAT FROM THE NEXT SECTION.
UM, NOW, NOW ONE 90, UH, AIR SHOWS, UH, EXHIBITIONS AND OTHER SPECIAL EVENTS.
OBVIOUSLY THERE IS SOME CROSSOVER STILL, AND IT MAYBE ALL OF THAT COULD HAVE BEEN COMBINED IN ONE, BUT I WOULD JUST KINDA LOOK AT, UH, 180.
THE COMBINED 180 NOW IS MORE OF A MEETINGS KIND OF FOCUSED, UM, PROBABLY A REGULAR EVENTS.
AND THE OTHER ONE IS MORE SPECIAL EVENTS.
THAT'S KIND OF HOW I READ THOSE TWO SECTIONS.
HOWEVER, THERE IS SOME CROSSOVER.
SO SOME OF THE SECTIONS WERE TAKEN OUT, UM, AND MADE MORE ACCURATE.
SO WHERE IN THE PAST, I, I BELIEVE THIS IS THE CASE, CITY COUNCIL DID APPROVE, UM, SOME OF THE PERMITS, UM, PRIOR TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TAKING THAT OVER, UH, WITH THE PERMIT SYSTEM.
UM, SO WE TOOK THOSE OUT SO IT WOULD BE ACCURATE.
UM, SO WE'RE REFERENCING AIRPORT MANAGER, UM, WHICH AS A REMINDER IS A, UH, OFFICER OF THE CITY MANAGER, OUR DESIGNEE, AND ALSO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS ALSO POLICE DEPARTMENT IS REFERENCED IN A, A LATER SECTION.
UM, SO WE WANTED TO CLEAN THAT UP.
THAT WAS KINDA SOMETHING THAT CITY WE JUST HADN'T GOT TO.
UM, SO WE JUST CLEANED IT UP TO MATCH THE PROCESS AS IT STANDS NOW.
SO ANY KIND OF APPEALS WOULD BE MADE TO THE, UM, CITY MANAGER.
UH, OBVIOUSLY THERE WOULD BE AN, AN APPEALS THAT COULD BE MADE INTERNALLY TO CERTAIN MAN MANAGERS AND WHATNOT.
BUT THE ULTIMATE DECIDER OF THOSE APPEALS AS IT STATES, UM, IN THE LATER PART OF, UM, 1 8 0, UM, UH, SEVEN DAYS, LET'S SEE HERE.
THE CITY MANAGER WILL ISSUE A DETERMINATION ON APPEALS NO LATER THAN 30 DAYS FROM THE DATE OF THE APPEAL WAS RECEIVED BY THE CITY CLERK.
SO TRY TO PUSH THAT INTO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AS THE ULTIMATE, UM, UH, LOCATION FOR THOSE APPEALS.
NOW OBVIOUSLY, ANY ITEM OF CONCERN OR COMPLAINT OR ANYTHING CAN BE STILL PRESENTED
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TO THE AIRPORT COMMISSION, THE AIRPORT MANAGER TO OTHER ENTITIES.BUT ULTIMATELY, UM, THE WAY THIS NOW STATES, IT WOULD BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY MANAGER TO HEAR THOSE COMPLAINTS.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? MM-HMM
AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE AREAS THAT WE HAD ACTUALLY ASKED THEM FOR LANGUAGE THAT WE HADN'T GOTTEN BEFORE.
SO I APPRECIATE IF THAT LOOKS BETTER, THEN I THINK THAT THAT WILL WORK.
AND THIS IS WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR BEFORE, SO I APPRECIATE, APPRECIATE THAT.
AND THEN ALSO STILL REFERENCED PERMITS BEING ISSUED BY THE AIRPORT COMMISSION, WHICH, UM, AIRPORT COMMISSION DOESN'T ISSUE PERMITS, NEITHER DOES THE AIRPORT MANAGER.
I, IT DOES SAY IN THERE A PERMIT FROM THE AIRPORT MANAGER.
WHAT IT'S, WHAT IT'S REALLY REFERENCING IS IF, YOU KNOW, WE, I, THE, UM, THE AIRPORT MANAGER WOULD OCCASIONALLY PERMIT CERTAIN THINGS, PROBABLY A LETTER OF SORT APPROVAL, AND THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A PERMIT.
THOSE ARE RARE, THOSE ARE SPECIAL CASES.
IN MOST CASES, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
PART OF THAT PROCESS IS AIRPORT MANAGEMENT APPROVAL.
AND SO IN THEORY, YES, MANAGEMENT APPROVES IT, BUT WE DON'T, I WOULDN'T DO IT WITHOUT, IN MOST CASES WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS.
SO ANYWAY, HOPE THAT DIDN'T WAS CLEAR
UM, SO ANYWAY, CLEANED UP, UH, FORMER 200, NOW ONE 90, AND THEN, UM, REFERENCING THE CHIEF OF POLICE AS, UM, REVOKED, UH, PERMITS BEING REVOKED OR SUSPENDED, THAT WOULD BE A FUNCTION OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
DAN, YOU'RE NOT FOLLOWING ON SCREEN.
ALRIGHT, SO I THINK UNLESS THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT 180, 1 90 OR 200 GO FORWARD.
OH, SO IN MOST CASES, IT'D BE LIKE, THESE WOULD BE STANDING MEETINGS.
SO IF A CLUB WANTED TO MEET ON AIRPORT PROPERTY, UM, OBVIOUSLY THE TERMINAL IS OCCASIONALLY USED FOR SMALL MEETINGS WITH, YOU KNOW, OUR APPROVAL.
THEY USUALLY CHECK IN, THEY'LL SAY, HEY, WE'D LIKE TO USE THE TERMINAL TO HAVE A QUICK MEETING.
AND, UH, OFTEN CASES IT CAN RANGE FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
UM, IT CAN BE A, UM, A PILOT THAT COMES IN THAT NEEDS TO MEET WITH SOMEBODY.
UM, WE'VE EVEN HAD, UH, UH, FOLKS HELPING KIDS WITH HOMEWORK.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS ONE OF OUR, WE THOUGHT IT WAS, UH, FLIGHT INSTRUCTION AND TURNED OUT IT WAS JUST SOMEBODY TRYING TO HELP SOMEBODY, UM, AFTER OUR, AFTER OUR, UH, TUTORING.
SO, UH, THERE ARE KIND OF ONE-OFF MEETINGS, BUT, UM, MOST OF THESE WOULD APPLY TO THE STANDING MEETINGS, A CLUB EVENT, A PAPA TYPE THING.
IS THAT CONSIDERED? NO, UM, IN MOST CASES, UNLESS IT, UNLESS THE MEETING IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, IS IN CONFLICT OR COMPETES WITH AN ON-AIRPORT, UM, INTEREST AND PROTECTED ACTIVITY, UH, WE USUALLY ALLOW THOSE.
THE ONLY THE CASE WHERE IT GETS COMPLICATED IS IF YOU'RE TRYING TO DO A GROUND SCHOOL, UH, IN THE TERMINAL.
UH, WE REALLY DISCOURAGE THAT, ASK PEOPLE TO GO ELSEWHERE FOR THAT, JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE OTHER FLIGHT SCHOOLS THAT ARE ON THE FIELD THAT PAY RENT THAT, UM, THAT ARE NOW COMPETING WITH THIS, UH, SPACE THAT'S BEING PROVIDED FOR FREE BY THE AIRPORT.
SO THAT WAS, THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THOSE CASES WHERE, UM, THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY A FEE OR HAVE SOME SORT OF PERMIT TO DO.
SO I, I HATE TO EVEN, BUT IF THEY'RE GONNA INCIDENT ACCIDENT US ON THE PREVIOUS THING, WE SHOULD PROBABLY PRIVATE GATHERINGS VERSUS PRIVATE MEETINGS THEM ON THIS ONE.
SO THE VERY FIRST SENTENCE AFTER OH 4, 1 8 0 SAYS, NO PERSON SHALL SPONSOR CONNECT TO CLUB, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
OR OTHER PRIVATE MEETINGS THAT SHOULD MATCH THE TITLE.
SO THAT REALLY SHOULD BE PRIVATE GATHERINGS, WHICH I THINK MAKES IT MUCH MORE CLEAR.
TED COLLINS POINT OF LIKE, MEETING SOMEBODY FOR LUNCH OR MEETING SOMEBODY FOR A FLIGHT IS NOT A QUOTE UNQUOTE GATHERING.
LIKE, I THINK THAT'S, SO I DON'T KNOW IF, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD APPROVE WITH, LIKE ONE WORD CHANGE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, I DON'T REALLY WANNA KICK IT A WHOLE NOTHER MONTH FOR, FOR THAT, BUT
LIKE THIS HAS BEEN IN HERE THE WHOLE TIME, BUT I BELIEVE THERE ARE SOME OTHER PARTS OF, UM, SECTION NOW 180 THAT WOULD PROBABLY GO BEYOND MEETING.
RIGHT? UM, UH, WELL, THE, THE POSTING DISPLAYING, UH, YEAH, THE, THE SUBJECT FOR THAT.
THE, THAT SUBPARAGRAPH FOR THAT PARAGRAPH HEADING IS PUBLIC GATHERINGS, RIGHT? PUBLIC AND PUBLIC GATHERINGS.
AND THEN THEY SWITCHED THE WORD IN THAT FIRST SENTENCE, SO, OH, THE FIRST SENTENCE.
SO THAT, THAT MEETING RIGHT THERE, PRIVATE MEETINGS GOTCHA.
IF WE'RE GONNA BE PEDANTIC ON THIS ONE, LIKE WE, YEAH, THAT, THAT'S GREAT.
DO WE NEED TO DEFINE GATHERINGS? JUST,
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I'M JUST THINKING, YOU KNOW, WE GET INFORMAL GROUPS OF PILOTS HANGING OUT TOGETHER ON A REGULAR BASIS IN SOMEONE'S HANGAR OR SOMEONE ELSE'S HANGER, AND I DON'T WANNA, UM, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO PRECLUDE THAT ACTIVITY.AND SO I JUST WONDERING IF GATHERINGS NEEDS A DEFINITION.
WELL, I THINK GATHERING IS A PRETTY, LIKE DE IT, IT'S, IT'S VERY BROAD, BUT I DON'T WANT SAY THAT, HEY, YOU KNOW, THE SIX OR EIGHT PILOTS WHO LIKE TO GET TOGETHER FOR COFFEE IN THE MORNING AND SOMEONE SAYING, OR, UM, WE'RE NOT, WE DON'T WANNA HAVE THEM READ THIS AND THEN THINK, OH, WE CAN'T DO THAT ANYMORE.
WE COULD, WE COULD PROBABLY, SO THE DEFINITION OF GATHERING PER THE OXFORD ENGLISH DICTIONARY IS AN ASSEMBLY OR MEETING, ESPECIALLY AT A, A SOCIAL OR FESTIVE ONE, OR HELD FOR A SPECIFIC PURPOSE.
SO LIKE IT IMPLIES A LARGE GROUP.
SO I THINK SAY IT IMPLIES A LARGE GROUP.
I THINK, I THINK JUST THE DE LIKE THE ACTUAL JUST DEFINITION OF GATHERING A COMING MIM WEBSTER SAYS A COMING TOGETHER PEOPLE IN A GROUP.
UM, YEAH, I, I THINK THE ACTUAL JUST DEFINITION OF GATHERING IS SUFFICIENT.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO ADD IT AS A DEFINITION.
THAT'S, BUT I, I, IF WE CAN PULL OFF JUST CHANGING THAT WORD AND STILL APPROVE IT TONIGHT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE IDEAL.
UM, ANY OTHERS BEFORE WE CONTINUE ON THAT SECTION? OKAY.
UM, IT'S A PRETTY BIG GAP BETWEEN THE, THE OTHER, UH, CHANGES I THINK THAT TAKES US TO, UM, LET'S, THESE ARE PRETTY MINOR, UH, IN, UM, SECTION 1620.
I THINK THE ONLY THING THAT'S REALLY SIGNIFICANT THERE, 1620, UH, SECTION, FORMER SECTION, UH, B BRING THAT UP HERE.
I THINK THE REASON ONCE AGAIN, UH, THE REMOVAL OF AC 90 66 WAS, UM, JUST THAT WHERE WAS, THAT MAY BE, UM, COMPLETELY RELEVANT TO THE TYPE OF ACTIVITY.
JUST, UM, THE ASSISTANCE, THE ATTORNEYS DIDN'T FEEL LIKE IT WAS A GOOD, UH, TO PUT IT THERE, UM, AS A, AS A REFERENCE.
AND, UM, SO, UH, YEAH, UH, GOOD REFERENCE, JUST NOT, NOT FOR THAT PARTICULAR, UH, SECTION IN THIS DOCUMENT.
UM, SO THAT WAS JUST THEIR PREFERENCE.
DO WE REFERENCE IT ANYWHERE ELSE IN THIS DOCUMENT OR JUST, OR, I DON'T REMEMBER 90, 66 BEING REFERENCED ANYWHERE ELSE.
IT'S NOT, THAT'S WHY WE ADDED IT.
BUT TO THE POINT MADE EARLIER THAT THIS IS ADDITIVE TO AND WILL BE SUPERSEDED BY FAA.
THAT, THAT'S WHY I FIGURED IS WHY WE WERE TAKING IT OUT.
BUT I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S OTHER CONFLICTS, BUT IF THIS WAS IN HERE AND SAY IN NEXT 20 YEARS, UH, THERE WERE POSSIBLY VIRTUAL TOWERS, WHICH ARE BECOMING A THING MM-HMM
UM, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE IN CONFLICT, UH, WITH THAT.
SO ANYWAY, UM, UM, DO WE HAVE IT REFER, REFER? DO WE REFERENCE IT ON THE WEBSITE 1890 DASH 66, JUST AS KIND OF LIKE OPERATIONS? I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
THE ONLY REFERENCES ARE THE, UM, ARE FROM THE INFORMATION MANUAL SECTIONS OF THOSE ARE REFERENCED ON THE WEBPAGE, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT PARTICULAR SECTION IS INCLUDED BECAUSE IT IS VERY, YOU KNOW, I LIKE THAT IT'S REALLY THOROUGH.
UM, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S JUST SOMETHING WE MAYBE, I MEAN, YOU, IT'S, I TRUST YOUR JUDGMENT, BUT IT, THERE COULD BE A SECTION FOR MATERIALS, UM, IN A, IN DOCUMENTS.
MAYBE WE COULD PUT IT IN A SEPARATE SECTION.
THE ONLY CONCERN WOULD JUST BE THAT PAGES DON'T GET CHANGED VERY OFTEN, ESPECIALLY ONES THAT ARE DEEP.
AND THEN, AND THEN THE FEAR WOULD BE THAT WE'D HAVE AN, AN INACCURATE OR OUT OF DATE, UH, DOCUMENT.
YOU CAN SAY THE LATEST REVISION OF AC 90 DASH 66.
I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK IT'LL GO ANYWHERE IN THE NEXT 20 YEARS, MIGHT GET REVISED, BUT I THINK WE PROBABLY EVENTUALLY SHOULD HAVE MAYBE A PAGE THAT ADDRESSES LIKE THE WHOLE APPROACH AND DEPARTURES PROCEDURE AND JUST HAVE A DEDICATED PAGE FOR ALL THAT, SIMILAR TO SOME OTHER REPORTS.
THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A GOOD PLACE FOR THAT.
UM, MOVING ON TO, UH, 16 24 0 1 0, GET INTO, UH, AIRCRAFT FUELING AND DEFUEL.
UH, SO WE GOT THIS COMMENT, UH, FROM THE FA REVIEW.
UH, THERE PREVIOUSLY, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, THE DOCUMENTS SAID THAT NO AIRCRAFT SHALL BE FUELED OR DEFUEL THE AIRPORT WHILE THE ENGINES ARE RUNNING ARE WHILE, UH, SUCH
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AIRCRAFT ARE IN THE HANGAR IN CLOSE SPACE.UM, SO THE, I BELIEVE THE ULTIMATE CONCERN OF THE FAA IS THAT IF THERE WAS AN OPERATOR THAT THAT HAD A HOT FEELING AS PART OF THEIR OPERATION, UM, THEY WANTED TO PROTECT THAT ACTIVITY, AND THEY FELT THAT THAT WAS A, POTENTIALLY A DISCRIMINATORY RULE.
NOW, IN ACTUALITY, UM, RIGHT NOW THE CITY IS THE ONLY FUELER.
WE DO NOT ALLOW HOT FUELING WITH OUR EQUIPMENT OR OUR STAFF.
HOWEVER, UM, BY REMOVING THAT SECTION, REFINING IT TO, TO ALLOW RAPID REFUELING WITHIN CERTAIN FA APPROVED GUIDELINES, UM, AND FPA 4 0 7, UM, IT AT LEAST OPENS THE DOOR, UH, FOR SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE MOST LIKELY A FEDERAL OPERATOR AND OR CONTRACTOR DOING HOT FUELING WITH THEIR OWN EQUIPMENT, THEIR OWN AIRCRAFT.
SOMETHING THAT WE WOULDN'T GET INVOLVED IN AT ALL, PROBABLY IT WOULD HAVE TO DO WITH A FIRE OR SOME SORT OF MAJOR EVENT.
UM, BUT AS FAR AS OUR STAFF, WE WOULD NOT, WE WOULD NOT DO THAT JUST BECAUSE OF OUR OWN, UM, CONCERNS AND LIABILITY.
AND THEN, UM, VERY SIMILAR COMMENT, UM, IN THE NEXT SECTION, THE AIRPORT FILE AND SAFE, UH, FIRE AND SAFETY RULES IN, UH, 1628, UH, 0 1 0.
IT'S A VERY SIMILAR THING, UM, ON THIS ONE.
UH, THE, THE FA DIDN'T LIKE HOW VAGUE IT WAS WHERE, UM, AIRPORT USERS WOULD HAVE TO, UM, COMPLY WITH PRETTY MUCH ANY REGULATORY AGENCIES HAVING JURISDICTION FOR FIRE PROTECTION AT THE AIRPORT.
IT WAS JUST TOO VAGUE, AND THEY WANTED SOMETHING THAT SOMEONE COULD REFERENCE AND BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY COMPLY WITH.
AND SO THEY WERE WORRIED THAT THAT WAS JUST TOO VAGUE FOR PEOPLE TO, TO FOLLOW.
AND THAT, THAT FELT LIKE A GOOD, GOOD EDIT.
UM, SO VERY SIMILAR REFERENCE, UM, IN FPA, UH, SURPRISINGLY THAT WAS IT FROM THE FA ON, ON, ON THAT ONE.
UM, PREVIOUSLY THE WESTERN DIVISION HAD THE REMOVAL OF, UM, UH, THE, UH, PRIOR PERMISSION REQUIRED.
SO THAT WAS, SO THAT'S WHAT WESTERN ASKED FOR REMOVAL, AND THEN EASTERN ASKED FOR HOT FEELING.
UH, MOVING ON, UH, I KNOW THIS ONE WE WAS PREVIOUSLY WORKED OVER QUITE A BIT.
UH, SIX, UH, 16 28 1 2, UH, IN REGARDS TO THE FIRE EXTINGUISHERS, UM, MOST OF WHICH ARE PROVIDED BY, UH, THE AIRPORT, BY THE CITY.
DID I JUST MISS THAT? I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY OTHER CHANGES I DID NOT MAKE IN MY, THAT WE DIDN'T MAKE IN THE REST OF THE DOCUMENT.
SO THIS WOULD BE 16 21, 20 SECTION C.
SO, UM, UH, PREVIOUSLY IT SAID FIRE EXTINGUISHERS MAY, UH, BE INSPECTED PERIODICALLY.
UM, AT ONE POINT BY THE FIRE MARSHAL, THE FIRE MARSHAL MARSHAL'S BEEN REMOVED BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE ANOTHER ENTITY DOING IT, AND THE MAY HAS BEEN CHANGED TO WILL.
SO FIRE EXTINGUISHERS WILL BE INSPECTED PERIODICALLY.
I THINK WE HAD DONE THAT CHANGE.
I, I THINK THAT WAS THE INTENT.
UM, OH, SOMEBODY, SOMEBODY MADE THE CHANGE.
I THINK EVERYONE LIKES THAT ONE BETTER.
IS THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY, GOOD.
UH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE, UH, UNDER, UH, CITY ATTORNEY OFFICE AND, UH, FAA EDITS ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS THAT, SO IF THE COMMISSION FEELS THAT THIS DOCUMENT IS READY FOR A COMMISSION RESOLUTION, WE CAN PROVIDE THAT, UM, NEXT MONTH, UM, WITHOUT ALL THE, IN A MUCH, UH, NICER LOOKING DOCUMENT.
UM, AND THE RESOLUTION THAT THE COMMISSION CAN SIGN, IF EVERYBODY'S IN AGREEMENT, UM, THAT WOULD THEN BE, UM, GIVEN A FIRST READING IN JULY.
I BELIEVE IT'S JULY 7TH FOR THE, FOR COUNCIL.
UM, AND, UM, THAT WOULD BE THE PROCESS MOVING FORWARD, UNLESS THERE WAS ANY OBJECTIONS.
YEAH, I, I THINK IT LOOKS REALLY GOOD.
BE THE VERSION THAT WE'D LIKE TO PUT FORWARD TO THE RESOLUTION.
HAS THAT ONE WORD CHANGE? YES.
THE ONE, THE ONE, UM, THE GATHER INSTEAD OF MEET.
BUT, UM, OTHERWISE I THINK THIS IS REALLY COMING TOGETHER NICELY.
ALONG WITH THAT, WE'LL ALSO PROVIDE THE ORIGINAL LIST, LIKE WE PRESENTED BACK, I WANNA SAY IT WAS EARLY JANUARY WITH EVERY SINGLE CHANGE SINCE THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT.
SO WE'LL GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL AND FIND THE, THE CHANGES, UM, JUST FOR CONTINUITY.
UM, SO THAT WILL BE INCLUDED AS WELL, IF IT, YOU KNOW, IF THAT WAS OF CONCERN.
YEAH, I'D JUST LIKE TO MAKE ONE, ONE COMMENT, UM, SORT OF A HISTORICAL, UM, FORMER AIRPORT COMMISSIONER, RICK DUSTY A FEW YEARS AGO, UH, INITIATED
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THIS PROCESS AND, UM, GIVEN HIS, UM, PROFESSIONAL BACKGROUND AND THE LIKE, UH, HE WAS WELL SUITED TO START THIS EFFORT.AND THEN FOR YOU, ANNA AND JEFF TO CARRY THAT ON AND, AND DAN TO, UM, RUN THIS, UH, MARATHON
SO APPRECIATE ALL YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS.
SO DO WE NEED TO HAVE ANY SORT OF FORMAL MOTION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT TO MOVE THIS INTO THE NEXT STEP OF THE PROCESS? OR JUST THE CONVERSATION IS ACCURATE? MAYBE JUST A MOTION TO LET IT PROCEED FORWARD WITH A OKAY.
AND TO BE PUT INTO A RESOLUTION.
SO I, I'LL MOVE TO TAKE THE, UH, LANGUAGE AS PRESENTED WITH THE ONE, CHANGE THAT ONE WORD CHANGE, UM, AND MOVE THAT INTO OUR, UH, COMMISSION RESOLUTION TO BE PASSED FORMALLY AND SIGNED NEXT MONTH.
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WE DON'T HAVE A COUNCIL UPDATE TONIGHT.UH, COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLY, SINCE HIS REGRETS, DO WE HAVE ANY AD HOC SUBCOMMITTEE REPORTS? YEAH.
UM, QUICK UPDATE ON THE, UM, UH, LIAISON AD HOC COMMITTEE.
UH, FORMER COMMISSIONER, UM, BARRY LAWRENCE AND I MET WITH ALEX.
UM, FORTUNATELY HE COULDN'T MAKE IT TONIGHT, BUT, UM, WE MET OUT AT THE TWO NINER DINER, WHICH SEEMED SOMEHOW APPROPRIATE.
ANYWAY, UM, WE HAD A GOOD, UH, GOOD MEETING.
WENT OVER A LOT OF INTERESTING INFORMATION, LEARNED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ALEX'S BACKGROUND AND HIS INTEREST ACTUALLY TO PERHAPS START FLIGHT TRAINING.
AND, UM, HE'S VERY SUPPORTIVE.
AND, UM, UM, WE HAVE MEETINGS SCHEDULED WITH A COUPLE OF OTHER, UH, DEPARTMENT HEADS, I BELIEVE PUBLIC WORKS.
AND, UH, THERE'S ONE OTHER, I DON'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE GROUP, BUT IT'S SORT OF COMPLIANCE, ENVIRONMENTAL COMPLIANCE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO ANYWAY, BARRY AND BARRY HAS SET THOSE DATES UP.
SO THOSE ARE NEXT WEEK, I BELIEVE.
AND WE'VE GOT LOTS OF SUPPORT.
I, ANYTHING ELSE? I FEEL LIKE WE HAD PUT SOMETHING INTO AD HOC LAST MONTH.
UM, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THE HANGAR LAYOUTS MOVING INTO AN AD HOC.
HAS THAT MOVED FORWARD AT ALL WITH THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE? OR IS THAT THE FOLKS? I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM JEFF ON THAT.
UH, I WELCOME AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET TOGETHER WITH HIM AND, UH, DISCUSS THAT.
THERE'S, WE ARE AT THE, BEYOND THE EARLY BEGINNING ON THIS, BUT, UH, UM, IT'S A POSSIBILITY AND IT WOULD BE NICE, BUT, UH, THERE IS A WHOLE LOT OUT THERE THAT NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED, DEFINED, AND, UH, UM, COMPUTED TO, UH, DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT ANY POTENTIAL PROJECT IS VIABLE.
AND THE ALTERNATIVES ARE PROBABLY AS MANY AS THERE ARE STARS IN THE SKY AT NIGHT,
SO, UM, TO SAY WE'RE AT THE BEGINNING IS A POLITE WAY OF SAYING REALLY.
SO ANYWAY,
LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING ON THAT.
ANY OTHER AD HOC REPORTS? GREAT.
ANY GENERAL COMMISSIONER OR COMMENT? NO, MOVING ON.
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RIGHT.JUST CHECKING IN ON THE BUDGET.
UM, UH, AT THE END OF MARCH, WE'RE SHOWING, UM, 1.57 MILLION IN REVENUE AND, UH, 1.55 IN, UM, EXPENDITURES.
UH, THE EXPENDITURES ALSO INCLUDE, AS WE ALWAYS, UM, MENTIONED, THE, UM, HANGAR PAYMENTS, UH, HANGAR, UM, UH, PROJECT, UH, LOAN PAYMENTS FROM 2004, UH, AND ALSO INCLUDES THIS YEAR APPROXIMATELY ABOUT 70,000 IN, UM, UH, HANGAR REPAIR WORK.
UH, THAT HAS BEEN PART OF THE, UH, THE, UH, INSURANCE CLAIM THAT WE'RE WORKING ON FOR TWO LIMA.
UM, SO THAT, THAT DOES INCLUDE SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE FUNDS THAT WILL BE REIMBURSED, UM, PROBABLY BY THE END OF THE YEAR, UH, AS PART OF THE, UH, OVERALL CLAIM ONCE WE HAVE, UH, THE FINAL CLAIM AMOUNT.
SO SOME OF THAT INCLUDES SOME PROJECT WORK TOO.
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ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT FINANCES OR, UH, JUST, JUST ONE OBSERVATION I MADE THERE, DAN, ON THE REVENUE SIDE, ON THE, UM, UNSECURED PROPERTY TAX, UH, RECEIVED BACK FROM THE COUNTY, IT'S OVER $200,000 THIS YEAR.UM, WHICH MEANS THAT THE COUNTY TOOK IN OVER 600,000 IN, UM, OCCUPANCY TAX AND THE LIKE FROM AIRPORT TENANTS.
AND AS YOU PROBABLY ARE ALL AWARE, THAT'S DIVIDED BY THREE.
AND WE GET ONE THIRD OF THE TOTAL.
THE COUNTY RETAINS ONE THIRD, AND THE FINAL ONE THIRD IS DEDICATED AND GIVEN TO THE PETALUMA PUBLIC SCHOOL, UH, BUDGET.
SO EVERY TIME AN AIRPLANE IS FLYING, WE ARE SUPPORTING THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
I'M NOT SURE ALL RESIDENTS UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WHEN WE DESCRIBED THAT TO, UM, ALEX YESTERDAY, HE WAS, UM, PLEASED TO SAY THE LEAST
UM, AND THAT'S GONE UP SIGNIFICANTLY.
WE USED TO BE IN THE 80 TO $90,000 RANGE.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT MEANS THAT IT'S TOUGH ON OUR TENANTS TO HAVE TO PAY ALL THAT EXTRA TAX ON THEIR AIRCRAFT AND THE HANGAR THAT THEY MAY RENT.
UM, BUT WE'RE GETTING SOME OF IT BACK, SO IT GOES TO THE AIRPORT ACCOUNT AND HELPS SUPPORT OUR OPERATION.
SO, UM, I GUESS WE JUST HAVE TO KEEP ON DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING SO FAR, SO GOOD.
UM, IN, UM, OPERATIONS, SORRY, MAKING PEOPLE SEASICK HERE.
SO JUST A COUPLE THINGS FOR OPERATIONS JUST BRING, UH, TO YOUR ATTENTION.
UM, UH, THE FUEL FARM WORK, UH, WAS COMPLETED, UM, A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.
AND SO WE HAVE A, A PERMANENT FIX ON THE CURRENT OVERFLOW, UH, VALVE FOR THE AVGAS, UH, TANK.
WE ALSO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL OVERFLOW THAT'S READY TO, UM, TO BE USED IN CASE THAT, UH, EITHER THE VALVE ON THE AVGAS OR JET A TANK FAILS.
UH, SO WE'RE, WE'RE FEELING A BIT MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
WE'RE, WE ARE ALSO LOOKING AT THE, THE FUTURE.
UM, WE'D LIKE TO GO WITH THE DIFFERENT SYSTEM.
THERE ARE SOME OTHER PORTS ON THESE TANKS THAT COULD BE USED FOR A LARGER OVERFLOW VALVE, MAYBE A LESS PROBLEMATIC ONE, UH, DIFFERENT MANUFACTURER, DIFFERENT TYPE.
UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA VISIT WITH THE, UM, FUEL FARM.
A REHABILITATION PROJECT THAT, UH, WE HAVE SCHEDULED FOR, UM, OVER THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS.
WE HAVE ABOUT 15,000 THAT'S BEEN ALLOCATED FOR THIS COMING FISCAL YEAR.
THE INTENT WOULD BE TO USE THAT TO DO SOME INITIAL SCOPING, TO GET AN IDEA OF, UH, THE COMPLETE LIST OF ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
SO WE'RE WORKING WITH ONE OF OUR, UH, REPAIR, UM, CONTRACTORS RIGHT NOW TO GET AGREEMENT SO THAT WE CAN, UM, GET SOME OF THAT WORK DONE.
SO WE'LL BE READY WHEN IT COMES TIME TO GET THE DESIGN, THE FINAL DESIGN AND, AND BIDDING FOR THAT, THAT WORK.
UM, BUT, UH, YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE GLAD TO THAT, THAT THAT CHAPTER IS COMPLETED, AT LEAST FOR, FOR THOSE REPAIRS.
AND I APPRECIATE THE, UH, THE PATIENCE.
UM, MOVING ON TO DERELICT AIRCRAFT, UM, AS DISCUSSED IN PREVIOUS AIRPORT COMMISSION MEETINGS, THE INTENT TO, UM, PROVIDE AS MANY HANGERS FOR ACTIVE AIRCRAFT AS POSSIBLE TO MOVE OUT, UM, TENANTS THAT NO LONGER HAVE VIABLE AIRCRAFT, UH, OFTEN AIRCRAFT THAT HAVE, THAT HAVE, UH, MAJOR MAINTENANCE ISSUES THAT HAVE NE NEVER BEEN ADDRESSED.
AND, UM, THE OWNERS ARE NOT MOVING TOWARDS THAT.
SO, UH, THIS COMING MONDAY, UH, WE WILL HAVE, UH, SIX LETTERS GOING OUT, UH, WITH, UM, REQUIRING THOSE TENANTS TO SHOW PROGRESS, UH, TOWARDS RESTORING THAT AIRCRAFT, UM, AND PROVIDE A PLAN WITH, WITH DATES WHEN THEY THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WHICH THESE BENCHMARKS CAN BE MADE.
IT'S LIKE WE MENTIONED BEFORE, THERE'S A SIMILAR PROCESS THAT WE USED, UH, WE WE USE WITH HOME BUILDERS.
SO, UH, MOST OF OUR HOME BUILD UH, TENANTS ARE VERY RESPONSIBLE, EVEN THOUGH THEIR PROJECTS MAY TAKE YEARS, UM, THEY MAKE PROGRESS AND WE CHECK IN WITH THEM, HEY, WHERE YOU AT? AND WE CAN SEE PROGRESS BEING MADE.
AND IT'S THE SAME SITUATION WHERE IF THEY'RE NOT SHOWING PROGRESS, AND THIS JUST LOOKS LIKE A STORAGE UNIT, UH, FOR ALL THEIR HOUSEHOLD ITEMS, IT JUST DOESN'T WORK, AND WE HAVE TO ASK THEM TO, TO LEAVE.
UM, IN A COUPLE OF THE CASES OF THOSE SIX AIRCRAFT, TWO OF THEM ARE NO LONGER, UH, REGISTERED WITH THE F-A-A-F-A REGISTERED AIRCRAFT IS REQUIRED BY OUR, UM, OLDER HANGAR RELEASES AND OUR NEW HANGAR LICENSES, UM, BOTH.
SO AT A BARE MINIMUM, THEY NEED TO COMPLY WITH THAT.
UM, SO OUT OF THE SIX TWO ARE NO LONGER REGISTERED WITH THE FAA AND ALL SIX ARE CLEARLY
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NOT AIRWORTHY.UM, SOME DON'T EVEN HAVE ENGINES.
SO, UH, WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT, UH, WITHIN THIS ENCOURAGEMENT AND THE SUPPORT OF THE AIRPORT, WE CAN GET THESE TENANTS TO, UM, TO FIND A, A, A MECHANIC AND, UM, AND SOMEONE TO HELP THEM AND MOVE THESE PROJECTS ALONG, OR SELL THE AIRCRAFT TO SOMEONE THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO SO.
UM, BUT IF THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO DO SO, WE WILL HAVE TO TAKE THOSE HANGERS BACK.
UM, THIS IS ALL IN LINE WITH THE FAS, UM, POLICY ON HANGAR USE, UH, AND THE LONG-TERM STORAGE OF DERELICT AIRCRAFT, UM, NOT NON-AIR WORTHY.
UM, IT IS JUST NOT, NOT PERMITTED.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? UH, MOVING ON.
UH, THANKS TO, UH, COMMISSIONER GOFF FOR BRINGING THIS UP.
UH, FOR A COUPLE YEARS NOW, WE'VE BEEN, UH, WORKING TOWARDS, UH, SHEEP GRAZING, UH, CITYWIDE, UM, DIFFERENT PROGRAMS, UM, THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO THE CITY.
UH, THIS, THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR, WE DO HAVE SOME, UH, SHEEP COMING INTO THE AIRPORT.
THEY ARE, UM, BEHIND A FENCE IN SOME CASES, TWO FENCES, UH, AND IT'S ELECTRIFIED FENCE THAT THE SHEEP ARE WON'T GO NEAR.
AND THE, THE INTENT IS TO TRY TO PRIORITIZE AREAS THAT ARE REALLY HARD TO TRIM TO, TO CUT NEAR FENCES, WHERE WE, WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME AND A LOT OF EQUIPMENT, UM, AGAINST THOSE FENCES, UH, AREAS THAT ARE HARD TO GET INTO 'CAUSE THE TERRAIN, UM, LIKE CREEK BEDS THAT ARE PART OF THE AIRPORT PROPERTY.
UH, SO WE'RE TRYING TO PRIORITIZE THOSE AREAS.
AND, UM, SO WITH, WITH THIS GRANT, UH, HEAVILY SUBSIDIZED WORK, UM, THIS IS A PILOT PROGRAM THAT WE'RE TRYING OUT.
WE'RE PUTTING ABOUT AS MANY, UH, RESOURCES TOWARDS THIS THAT WE NORMALLY WOULD TO, UH, MECHA, UM, MECHANICAL MECHANIZED, UH, WEED ABATEMENT.
SO IT'S ABOUT WHAT WE WOULD NORMALLY GET CHARGED BY OUR CONTRACTORS.
UM, BUT WE'RE GETTING ALSO, UH, ADDITIONAL SUPPORT THROUGH THIS, UH, THIS PROGRAM.
MAYBE, MAYBE IT CAN HAPPEN AGAIN, BUT IT'S JUST A TRIAL THING.
UH, THESE AREN'T, THESE, UH, SHEEP ARE NOT GOING TO BE, UM, LET FREE ON THE AIRFIELD.
THERE ARE, THEY'RE GONNA BE, UH, PINNED IN WITH A SHEPHERD.
UM, AND IN SOME CASES THERE'S ACTUALLY BE A DOUBLE FENCE.
SO WE HAVE OUR FENCE, THERE'LL BE ANOTHER FENCE OUTSIDE OF OUR FENCE, AND THEN AN INNER FENCE.
SO KEEPING AWAY FROM AIRCRAFT AND THE OUTER FENCE KEEPS THEM AWAY FROM OTHER ANIMALS.
DOGS LIKE TO RUN UP, THEY GET VERY EXCITED, THEY'LL RUN UP AND THEN THE SHEEP FREAK OUT.
UM, BUT AS LONG AS THE BARRIER'S OUT FAR ENOUGH, UH, AND IT SEEMS TO WORK PRETTY WELL AT WISEMAN PARK.
I THINK THEY'VE DONE THAT BEFORE.
IN FACT, I THINK THEY'RE DOWN THERE THIS WEEK.
THEY JUST DID A RODEO AND NOW THEY'RE WISEMAN AND MY DOG IS ONE OF THE ONES THAT HAIR TERRORIZES THAT SHE
CAN, UM, CAN WE MAKE AN EFFORT TO MAKE, UH, GET THIS INFORMATION OUT TO THE PILOT TO MAKE IT MORE PUBLICLY AWARE? SURE.
AND ALSO, UM, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS NO WAY THAT THOSE SHEEP ARE GONNA END UP ON THE RUNWAY AFTER DARK.
UM, I'M REALLY WORRIED ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL.
UM, IT, UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, WITH ADEQUATE FENCING, MAKING SURE THAT, AND AND I ALSO LIKE TO KNOW WHAT DATES, WHEN IS THIS GOING TO, HOW LONG A PERIOD IS THIS GONNA BE OCCURRING? UM, PUBLIC AWARENESS FOR ALL THE PILOTS AND POSSIBLY I'D, I'D REALLY LIKE IT TO BE ON THE A OS OKAY.
TO JUST SAY, BE AWARE THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, SHEEP GRAZING FOR WEED MAINTENANCE OCCURRING ON WHICHEVER SIDE OF THE RUNWAY IT'S GOING TO BE ON AT THE TIME.
AND THEN THERE WOULD BE AN EMAIL THAT WOULD GO OUT, UM, ONCE WE GET OUR SCHEDULE, WE'RE THINKING MID-MAY, WE DON'T HAVE DATES YET, BUT ONCE YOU HAVE DATES, WE'LL SEND 'EM OUT.
IN MOST CASES, I DON'T THINK PILOTS WILL PROBABLY EVEN SEE THEM, BECAUSE THEY'LL BE TOWARDS THE SOUTH END UP AGAINST THE FENCE.
ALL THE WAY DOWN IN MOST CASES.
AND THEN TO THE NORTH END, WHERE USUALLY PILOTS ARE, ARE WHEN THEY'RE TAKING OFF TWO, NINE, THEY DON'T EVEN SEE ANYTHING BELOW 'EM.
A A FEW, UH, FOLKS WILL PROBABLY NOTICE THEM, BUT, UM, BY AND LARGE, THEY MAY GO MOSTLY UNNOTICED BY THE PILOTS, BUT WE'LL MAKE SURE WE NOTICE IT, AND THEN WE CAN CREATE A FORM IN CASE THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS KIND OF ALONG THE DEER IN THE VICINITY OF THE RUNWAY.
KIND OF SHEEP IN THE VICINITY THEN? NO, NOWHERE NEAR THE RUNAWAY.
I MEAN, THEY'RE SOFTER, BUT YEAH.
WE WOULD REMOVE 'EM RIGHT AWAY.
UM, JUST CHECKING IN ON, UH, TAXIWAY ALPHA, TAXIWAY BRAVO.
UH, WE DID, UM, RECEIVE BIDS FOR BOTH OF THOSE PROJECTS WE'RE, THEY'RE STILL BEING EVALUATED, BUT THEY ARE PUB PUBLICLY
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POSTED NOW.UM, SO WE DO HAVE SOME NUMBERS AND, UM, SO FAR WE'RE LOOK, YOU KNOW, WE ARE CONFIDENT, WE WERE LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT CERTAIN ESCALATIONS IN BIDS.
AND, UM, SO FAR THINGS ARE LOOKING FAIRLY POSITIVE, AT LEAST FOR THE BASE BIDS FOR BOTH PROJECTS.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, MORE TO SHARE IN THE, IN THE FUTURE.
BUT FOR NOW, WE, WE DO HAVE, UM, WE DO HAVE RECEIVED BIDS AND, UM, THEY ARE WITHIN, UM, KIND OF WHERE OUR, UH, ESTIMATES WERE, UH, ENGINEER'S ESTIMATES FOR THOSE TWO PROJECTS.
FOR THE BASE BID, THE BID EXTENSIONS, THE, UM, SORRY, THE, UH, BID ALTERNATES ARE STILL, UH, TBD, WE DON'T KNOW.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE OPTIMISTIC, BUT THERE IS A GOOD CHANCE THAT WE WON'T GET THOSE FUNDS.
SO WE'RE JUST REALLY TARGETING THE, THE BASE BID.
AND, UM, AND WE'RE, WE'RE, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGE THAT THE, THE NUMBERS CAME IN LIKE THEY DID.
SO ANYWAY, UM, JUST WANNA GIVE AN UPDATE ON THAT.
AND CAN I ASK, JUST FROM A PROCESS PERSPECTIVE, YES.
DO WE, ARE WE OBLIGATED TO TAKE THE LOWEST BID OR ARE YOU ABLE TO CONSIDER THINGS LIKE QUAL EXPECTED QUALITY AND EXPECTED SCHEDULE? YES AND NO.
SO YES, THE LOWEST BID, BUT IT HAS TO BE A QUALIFIED BID THAT MEETS CERTAIN STANDARDS.
IF, IF THE CONTRACTOR DOESN'T MEET THOSE STANDARDS, UM, OR THERE IS SOME OTHER CONFLICT, THEN SOMETIMES WE, WE, WE DON'T TAKE THE LOWEST BID.
BUT IT IS A, IT'S A, IT'S A VERY COMPLICATED ANSWER, UM, THAT I CAN'T, I'M NOT REALLY QUALIFIED TO GIVE, BUT, UM, IN MOST CASES, WE DO TAKE THE LOWEST BID.
IT SOUNDS VERY, AS LONG AS IT'S QUALIFIED, THE SCHOOLS HAVE TO DO.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONSIDER SCHEDULE WITH THESE THINGS TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN HAVING SO MANY CHALLENGES WITH GETTING PROJECTS MOVED FORWARD THAT LIKE TO NOT REPEAT THOSE SAME PAIN POINTS AGAIN, IF WE CAN HELP IT.
THERE, I THINK WE'RE, NOW WE'RE TARGETING SPRING.
THAT WAS WHAT WAS SHARED, UM, ACROSS ALL THE, THE BID DOCUMENTS.
UM, THAT CAN ALWAYS CHANGE, YOU KNOW, IF THERE WAS AGREEMENT WITH THE CONTRACTOR AND WITH THE CITY THERE, THERE COULD BE OTHER SCHEDULES, BUT THAT'S THE ONE WE WERE, WE WERE TARGETING THE SPRING, UM, 2026.
UM, UPDATE ON UPDATE ON THE, UM, HANGER, HANGER TWO.
UH, THE, OUR INTENT IS TO GET IT OUT, UM, AT LEAST ANNOUNCED BY, UH, NEXT WEEK, UH, FOR, FOR THAT.
UM, ALL THE, ALL THE PRIME DOCUMENTS, ALL THE TEXT SPECS, ALL THE, ALL THE HARD STUFF HAS BEEN DONE AT THIS POINT.
UH, WE HAVE THE, UH, CIP TEAM, UH, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, UH, PROJECT TEAM ARE GOING THROUGH THE BID DOCS TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE ALL READY.
AND, UM, THE HOPE IS TO TRY TO EITHER GET THAT OUT NEXT WEEK OR THE FOLLOWING WEEK, BUT PROBABLY ANNOUNCED, UM, NEXT WEEK.
THAT'S, THAT'S OUR GOAL, BUT WE'RE VERY CLOSE WITH THAT.
WE GOT AN ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE, UH, FOR THAT.
UM, AND, UM, AND SO YEAH, WE'RE VERY CLOSE.
MEANWHILE, WE ARE BUILDING OUR CLAIM, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE.
SO WE HAVE, WE WILL BE ADDING, UH, THIS, THIS BID TO THAT CLAIM AS WELL.
AND, UH, THE INTENT IS TO GET THAT OUT TO THE, UM, INSURANCE COMPANY BY SOMETIME IN JUNE.
DOES OUR CLAIM INCLUDE THE LOST REVENUE FROM NOT BEING ABLE TO RENT THAT HANGER? NO.
THAT WILL BE SOMETHING TO BE TERM DETERMINED.
UH, I DON'T HAVE ANY UPDATES ON, UH, AT C WE, UH, IT IS BEING REVIEWED BY, UH, CIP, UH, AND, UH, GROUP.
WE DO, UM, THE HOPE IS THAT ONCE WE GET THE, THE HANG REPAIR OUT, THAT'LL FREE UP SOME, UH, SOME STAFF TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THAT.
AND THEN, UM, WE REALLY LIKE TO GET THAT OUT TO BID BY THE, THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE MOVING AS FAST AS WE CAN, BUT THAT, THAT IS A, A PRIORITY TO GET THAT.
UM, AND THEN ONCE THAT'S REPAIRED, WE CAN GET 18 B UH, BACK OUT INTO A, UM, A LICENSE, A LEASE.
SO WE'VE HAD THE DOOR FOR THAT FOR A WHILE, RIGHT? FOR 18 C? YES.
AND WHAT IT'S LIKE, IT'S LIKE THE FRAME.
SO IT'S THE FRAME OF THE DOOR.
AND SO THIS, IT'S CALLED THE SKIN, THE, THE PANELS HAVE TO COME OFF THE EXISTING DOOR.
UHHUH
SO IS THIS BID FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE FRAME OR IS THIS IT'S THE, IT WOULD BE THE INSTALLATION.
WHICH, WHICH, UH, FOR THE BEST, YOU KNOW, BEST OF OUR RESEARCH WOULD BE QUITE A BIT MORE THAN THE $33,000 LIMIT.
SO FOR THIS KIND OF WORK, IS IT POSSIBLE TO, TO DO A, YOU KNOW, LIKE A STANDING CONTRACT SINCE WE HAVE THREE MORE OF THESE DOORS OR, YOU KNOW, JUST, I JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THERE'S, YEAH, I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THIS HAPPENED TO BE ON THE TRAINING CENTER HANGAR, YOU, IT WOULD,
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WE WOULDN'T WANT THEM TO HAVE TO WAIT FOR A YEAR.SO JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO, I THINK THE MAKE WHAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO, SO WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING WITH ONE OF THE CONTRACTORS NOW TO HAVE A, A SERVICE AGREEMENT FOR INSPECTION AND THEN MINOR REPAIRS.
THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT WE COULD BUILD SOMETHING INTO THAT CONTRACT WHERE IF SOMETHING CAME UP, WE HAD RESOURCE TO DO.
SO THE PROBLEM IS THE, WHEN YOU START GETTING INTO THE 40, $50,000 AND THEN TRYING TO ANTICIPATE THAT IN A BUDGET CYCLE, UM, IT'S REALLY TOUGH TO DO THAT.
SO, UM, IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN, WE'LL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT.
BUT, UM, THE, THE HOPE WOULD BE THAT WE WON'T HAVE TO DO MANY OF THESE REPLACEMENTS, EMERGENCY REPLACEMENTS.
UM, AND THE HOPE WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE JUST TO MAKE MINOR REPAIRS, UM, CATCH THINGS EARLY, LIKE WE DID WITH THE AT AND D DOOR, THAT COULD HAVE BEEN A LOT WORSE.
SO TRYING TO CATCH THINGS EARLY, WORKING WITH THE OPERATORS, MAKING SURE THEY KNOW IF IT STARTS TO FOLD UP ON SELF, STOP IT, YOU KNOW, DON'T KEEP RUNNING THE MOTOR.
UM, NEWER SYSTEMS ARE COMING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO UPGRADE, WHICH CAN HELP TO, IT'S STILL THE SAME DOOR, BUT YEAH, SO THERE'S SOME THINGS WE CAN DO.
IT IS VERY HARD TO BUILD THOSE INTO A SERVICE AGREEMENT BECAUSE SOME OF THAT WORK IS JUST TOO MAJOR AND REALLY GETS INTO PROJECT WORK WHERE WE REALLY HAVE TO HAVE PLAN SPECS AND ALL THAT THING TO, TO, TO GET THOSE DONE.
AND THE PLAN SPECS ARE, WE COULDN'T HAVE GENERIC PLAN SPECS FOR THE TYPE OF WORK, OR, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF, I THINK WHAT CAN WE DO TO LIKE MINIMIZE THE DOWNTIME IF THIS, WHEN THIS HAPPENS? AGAIN, ONCE WE'RE FINISHED WITH THE PROCESS FOR THIS ONE, I THINK WE'LL HAVE A PRETTY GOOD ROADMAP FOR THE NEXT ONE, WHERE WE COULD REUSE.
UM, SAME, SAME MANUFACTURER, SAME, SAME THING.
WE COULD JUST SEND THAT SAME WITH SOME LIGHT MODIFICATION OUT TO BID.
AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE THE INTENT.
THAT SHOULD CUT SEVERAL MONTHS OUT OF THIS PROCESS.
IT WOULD, IT WOULD DEFINITELY CUT THE TIME IN PROBABLY HALF AT LEAST.
I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER UPDATES ON PROJECTS.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON PROJECTS? UM, I FUELED UP YESTERDAY AND I NOTICED WE HAVE USING ALL PANELS.
IS THAT THE TEMPORARY SOLUTION? HANG ON.
THAT THAT, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT OPTIONS TO, TO PROVIDE A HOLSTER OR SOMETHING FOR THAT.
I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY READILY AVAILABLE PRODUCTS THAT DO THAT.
MY, MY RECOMMENDATION IS JUST TO PUT IT BACK RIGHT ON TOP OF THE, THE REEL.
THAT'S USUALLY WHERE PEOPLE PUT IT, BUT IT TENDS TO WORK ITS WAY TO THE GROUND.
WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF ROOM TO WORK WITH THERE, BUT, UM, WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN HAVE SOME SORT OF HOLDER MAYBE FOR THAT.
UM, AND JUST A REMINDER, THE REASON WE'VE GONE TOWARDS THESE NOZZLES IS SO THAT WE CAN MEET OUR QA REQUIREMENTS FOR, UH, FOR DOING THE SCREEN INSPECTION.
UM, ON A REGULAR BASIS, IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO DO SO WITH THE OLDER OR THE OTHER, UM, AUTOMOTIVE STYLE ONES WHERE YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE HOSE COMPLETELY OFF THE, UH, THE NOZZLE.
SO THESE ARE, YOU JUST UNSCREW THE, AND YOU'RE ABLE INSPECT THEM.
SO THAT'S WHY WE WENT WITH THIS.
BUT TO YOUR POINT, YES, WE WILL TRY TO FIND A BETTER, BETTER WAY OF STORING IT.
IS IT JUST ONE NOZZLE OR DID YOU GO JUST ONE OF 'EM RIGHT NOW? YEAH.
I'M WAITING FOR MORE COMPLAINTS BEFORE I IN REINSTALL A SECOND ONE.
GOOD, GOOD FEEDBACK OR NO FEEDBACK, I GUESS.
UNLESS THERE WAS ANYTHING ELSE THAT CONCLUDES I WAS ON ONE.
ANYONE, UH, HAVE ANY OTHER ITEMS BEFORE WE ADJOURN? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, YEAH, ANNA, UH, I HAVE ONE COMMENT.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE, UH, HAVE NOTED IT, BUT, UH, DAY OR TWO AGO IN THE A OPA AIRCRAFT OWNERS AND PILOTS ASSOCIATION DAILY, UH, EMAIL BRIEF, THEY NOTED THAT THE FAA HAS, UM, DETERMINED AND IS NOW SET IN PLACE A REQUIREMENT THAT AIRPORTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, PUBLIC USE AIRPORTS, UM, PROVIDE, UM, AVIATION GASOLINE 100 OCTANE, UM, FOR, UM, ALL, UM, TENANTS MAKE THAT AVAILABLE.
UH, AND AS WE'RE AWARE IN, UH, SANTA CLARA COUNTY, UH, REED HILLVIEW AND SAN MARTIN AIRPORTS WERE DENIED BY THE, UM, UH, THE SANTA CLARA COUNTY, UH, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
UH, THEY WERE PROHIBITED BY THEIR DECISION FROM SELLING AVIATION GASOLINE BECAUSE IT HAD A MINOR AMOUNT OF LEAD IN IT.
UH, THE FAA HAS DETERMINED THAT THAT DECISION WAS A VIOLATION OF THE FAA GRANT ASSURANCES.
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AIRPORTS NOW WILL PROVIDE THE, UH, UH, STANDARD, UM, AVIATION GASOLINE, THE UNLEADED NEW GASOLINE A HUNDRED OCTANE, WHICH IS, HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE FAA, BUT THE PROCESS TO RAMP UP PRODUCTION AND DISTRIBUTION, ALL THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IS REALLY TOUGH TO COVER 5,000 PUBLIC USE AIRPORTS AROUND THE COUNTRY.AND THE FAA HAS DETERMINED THAT THAT SHOULD BE AVAILABLE ACROSS THE COUNTRY BY 2030.
AND, UM, SOME PEOPLE MAY NOT BE AWARE OF THAT, BUT, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE NOW.
SO TO PROHIBIT CURRENTLY THE SALE OF THE, UM, AVIATION FUEL THAT WE USE WOULD BE A VIOLATION OF GRANT ASSURANCES AND DEEMED ILLEGAL.
SO, UH, SANTA CLARA COUNTY SUPERVISORS HAVE, UM, I GUESS GONE TO THE OUTER ROOM OR SOMETHING.
SO ANYWAY, UH, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT.
AND WE MENTIONED, UH, BARRY AND I MENTIONED THAT TO, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, UH, DI CARLY YESTERDAY.
AND, UH, HE WAS SUPPORTIVE AND THANKFUL FOR BEING MADE AWARE OF THAT.
SO GIVEN THAT FIVE YEARS IS NOT ACTUALLY A LONG TIME GIVEN, UM, DO WE NEED TO START LOOKING AT WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO BE ABLE TO OFFER THE UNLEADED IN ADDITION TO OUR CURRENT FUELING OPTIONS? UH, DAN'S BEEN, UH, HE'S BEEN FOLLOWING THIS REALLY CLOSELY.
DO YOU WANNA COMMENT ON THAT, DAN? UH, I'D PROBABLY HAVE TO BREAK THAT OUT INTO A, YOU KNOW, WE HAPPY TO PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA.
YEAH, LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT IT IN THE, I MEAN, YEAH, I WANNA SAY THERE'S NO RUSH, BUT I ALSO WANNA, LET'S, THAT'S A GREAT ONE TO PUT IN THE QUEUE.
UH, ONE THING JUST TO MENTION, UM, I THINK WE SENT OUT AN EMAIL MAYBE A MONTH AGO.
UH, WE HAVE THREE COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE COMING UP, UH, DUE FOR REAPPLY, UH, TO REAPPLY FOR, UH, CCB SEATS.
SO IF YOU'VE BEEN SENT AN EMAIL, UM, YOU KNOW, PLEASE, UH, REAPPLY.
DEADLINE'S TOMORROW IS, TOMORROW IS VERY COMING UP VERY SOON.
UH, SO PLEASE GET THOSE IN IF YOU HAVE, I'M GLAD YOU SAID SOMETHING
AND THEN, UM, AND THEN THE THIRD SEAT WITH PAPA.
UH, I THINK PAPA'S ALREADY BEEN, UM, UH, NOTIFIED, SO I THINK WE'RE GOOD ON THAT.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FINANCIAL OBLIGATION THING OR NO, THIS IS YOUR, ALL RIGHT.
ANYTHING ELSE? THAT WAS A GREAT REMINDER.