* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] THANK YOU AND GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME. UM, TONIGHT'S, UH, WE HAVE THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE PETALUMA CITY COUNCIL IN PETALUMA, COMMUNITY DEVELOPERS DEVELOPMENT SUCCESSOR AGENCY FOR MONDAY, MAY 19TH, 2025. AND IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK, UM, UM, AND PROVIDE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD, WHICH ARE IN THE BACK AND BRING IT ON UP TO OUR CLERK WHO IS IN THE FRONT. AND NOW I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO MONICA RICCIO AND MARIA GALVEZ TO PROVIDE INFORMATION TO THOSE WHO WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN SPANISH TONIGHT. THANK YOU. AND GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU. WE'RE READY. AND THANK YOU. MAY WE HAVE OUR ROLL CALL FOR THE EVENING BARNACLE PRESENT CATER THOMPSON. ABSENT DI CARLY HERE NOW. HERE SHRIMPS. HERE. QUINT. HERE, MCDONALD HERE. AND WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. WONDERFUL. LET'S STAND FOR OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE I PLEAD TO OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND ONE NATION, INDI. AND A MOMENT OF SILENCE. OKAY. [AGENDA CHANGES AND DELETIONS (TO CURRENT AGENDA ONLY)] LOOKING AT THE AGENDA THAT, UH, YOU'VE ALL SEEN TONIGHT, I'M LOOKING UP AND DOWN THE DIOCESE TO SEE WHETHER ANYONE HAS AN ADDITION, SUBTRACTION TO THE, THE AGENDA AND SEEING NONE. UH, THE AGENDA IS ADOPTED, UH, AS WRITTEN AND AS YOU SEE. AND, UH, THAT [PROCLAMATIONS] MOVES US TO OUR PROCLAMATIONS FOR THE EVENING. AND, UM, OUR FIRST ONE IS OUR NATIONAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH. AND, UH, I'D LIKE TO INVITE UP STACEY LEY, OUR, UH, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF OUR PUM MUSEUM ASSOCIATION AND THOMAS WHITLEY, THE CHAIR OF THE HISTORIC AND CULTURAL PRESERVATION COMMITTEE OF THE CITY. AND IT READS, WHEREAS THIS, UH, WHEREAS THE, UH, IN 1973, THE NATIONAL TRUST FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION ESTABLISHED NATIONAL PRESERVATION WEEK TO PROMOTE HISTORIC PLACES FOR THE PURPOSE OF INSTILLING NATIONAL AND COMMUNITY PRIDE, PROMOTING HERITAGE TOURISM, AND SHOWING THE SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC BENEFITS OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. WHEREAS IN 2005, THE NATIONAL TRUST EXTENDED NATIONAL PRESERVATION WEEK TO NATIONAL PRESERVATION MONTH, AND TO PROVIDE AN EVEN LONGER OPPORTUNITY TO CELEBRATE DIVERSE AND UNIQUE HERITAGES. AND THE PETALUMA HISTORIC AND CULTURAL PRESERVATION COMMITTEE, THE PETALUMA HISTORICAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, GROUPS, BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTS SUPPORT THIS EVENT AND WORK HARD TO PRESERVE PETALUMA'S PAST FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS. AND WHEREAS THE CITY OF PETALUMA HAS SEVERAL POLICIES, PROGRAMS, AND ORDINANCES IN PLACE, WHICH SEEK TO PROTECT ITS HISTORIC RESOURCES, INCLUDING A CENTRAL PETALUMA SPECIFIC PLAN. THE GENERAL PLAN IN CHAPTER 15 OF THE IMPLEMENTING ZONING ORDINANCE, WHOSE PURPOSE IS TO PROMOTE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, AND GENERAL WELFARE THROUGH THE PROTECTION ENHANCEMENT AND PERPETUATION OF HISTORIC AND ARCHEOLOGICAL RESOURCES THAT ARE REMINDERS OF THE PAST ERAS, EVENTS, AND INDIVIDUAL IMPORTANCE TO, UH, LOCAL, STATE, OR NATIONAL HISTORY. AND TO PROVIDE SIGNIFICANT EXAMPLES OF AR ARCHITECTURAL STYLES, WHICH ARE UNIQUE AND IRREPLACEABLE BY DEVELOPING AND MAINTAINING APPROPRIATE SETTINGS AND ENVIRONMENTS FOR SUCH HISTORY. AND WHEREAS HISTORIC PRESERVATION IS AN EFFECTIVE TOOL FOR MANAGING GROWTH, SUSTAINABLE AND SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT, [00:05:01] MAINTAINING COMMUNITY CHARACTER REVITALIZING NEIGHBORHOODS, AND FOSTERING LOCAL PRIDE AND PROMOTING KNOWLEDGE OF THE LIVING HERITAGE OF THE PAST. NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT I, KEVIN MCDONALD, MAYOR OF PETALUMA, ALONG WITH THE MEMBERS OF THE PETALUMA CITY COUNCIL, DO HEREBY RECOGNIZE AND CELEBRATE MAY, 2025 AS NATIONAL PRESERVATION MONTH AND CALL UPON THE RESIDENTS OF PETALUMA TO CELEBRATE NATIONAL PRESERVATION MONTH BY VIEWING HISTORIC RESOURCES THROUGHOUT PETALUMA AND THROUGH VARIOUS EXHIBITS ORGANIZED BY THE PETALUMA HISTORICAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT PROMOTE HISTORIC RESOURCES IN THE CITY. THANK YOU MAYOR MCDOWELL MCDONALD AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THIS ENTHUSIASTIC RECOGNITION OF NATIONAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH. I'M PLEASED TO ACCEPT THIS PROCLAMATION ON BEHALF OF THE PETALUMA HISTORICAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM AND OUR PARTNERS THE HISTORIC AND CULTURAL PRESERVATION COMMITTEE. ONE OF THE MOST AMAZING THINGS ABOUT PETALUMA IS THAT REMINDERS OF OUR HISTORY ARE ALL AROUND US AND WE CAN CONNECT WITH THE STORIES OF OUR CITY THROUGH OUR BUILT ENVIRONMENT. IT'S WHAT WE AT THE MUSEUM LIKE TO CALL THE POWER OF PLACE. THIS MAY AND WAYS WE CELEBRATE THE COUNTLESS WAYS THAT PRESERVATION STRENGTHENS COMMUNITIES, BREATHES NEW LIFE INTO NEIGHBORHOODS, SUPPORTS A HEALTHIER PLANET, AND BUILDS A MORE JUST AND CONNECTED SOCIETY. IF YOU'VE WALKED DOWN KENTUCKY STREET THIS MONTH, I HOPE YOU'VE SPOTTED OUR PRESERVATION MONTH DISPLAY IN THE WINDOW OF COPPERFIELD'S BOOKSTORE, WHICH IS CREATED IN COLLABORATION WITH HISTORIAN KATHERINE REINHARDT AND PRESERVATION ADVOCATE ALICE VAN AMERIN. WE'VE ASKED PASSERBY PASSERSBY TO SCAN THE QR CODE IN THE WINDOW AND FILL OUT AN ONLINE SURVEY ABOUT THE POWER OF PLACE AND WHAT PRESERVATION MEANS TO THEM. I'D LOVE TO SHARE JUST A FEW OF THE RESPONSES WITH YOU. ONE, PETALUMA SAID, HISTORY IS TANGIBLE. WHEN HISTORIC PRESERVATION OCCURS, IT'S MEANINGFUL TO BE ABLE TO STAND WHERE PEOPLE OF THE PAST STOOD TO HELP UNDERSTAND HOW OUR COMMUNITY CAME TO BE AND CONTINUES TO CONTRIBUTE TO OUR WAY OF LIFE. ANOTHER OFFERED HISTORIC PRESERVATION FILLS OUR CITY WITH STORIES OF THE INHABITANTS BEFORE US, PROVIDING US WITH ANCHORS AS WE NAVIGATE THE PRESENT. AND A THIRD SAID, WE AS A COMMUNITY CAN ONLY GROW IF WE KNOW WHERE WE CAME FROM AND ALLOW EACH OTHER TO SHARE OUR DIVERSE HISTORY AND CULTURES. SO MANY GROUPS OF PEOPLE HAVE TIES TO PETALUMA, NONE MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE OTHER. WE CAN USE HISTORIC PRESERVATION TO ALLOW FOR ALL VOICES TO BE HEARD. THESE RESPONSES UNDERSCORE HOW PETALUMA FEEL, SENSE OF OWNERSHIP AND STEWARDSHIP, AND A COLLECTIVE RESPONSIBILITY FOR SAFEGUARDING OUR ARCHITECTURAL HERITAGE. BUT WE ALSO MUST REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENS WHEN AS A COMMUNITY, WE DO NOT SAFEGUARD THOSE SPACES. UNTIL JUNE 8TH, WE ARE PRESENTING AT THE MUSEUM THE EXHIBITION PETALUMA CHINATOWN UNEARTHED REMEMBERING THE PAST FOR A BETTER FUTURE, WHICH WAS CREATED IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE PETALUMA OLD CHINATOWN MEMORIAL AD PARK AD HOC COMMITTEE AND SPONSORED BY THE CITY OF PETALUMA. BECAUSE MUCH OF THE PHYSICAL MEMORY OF PETALUMA'S HISTORIC CHINATOWN IS GONE. THE STORIES OF THE THIS COMMUNITY MUST BE TOLD THROUGH THE MAPS HISTORICAL RECORDS AND THE ARTIFACTS YOU'LL SEE DISPLAYED IN THE EXHIBIT, MOST OF WHICH WERE EXCAVATED FROM THE AREA THAT WE NOW KNOW AS THE THEATER DISTRICT. WE'RE THRILLED THAT THE HISTORIC CHINATOWN PARK RENAMING AND THE IMPACT IT IS BOUND TO HAVE ON, UH, THE COMMUNITY IN CREATING A A PERMANENT MEMORIAL TO THIS HISTORY IS HAPPENING. AND WE THANK CITY COUNCIL AGAIN FOR, UM, PUTTING THAT THROUGH. I INVITE ALL COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS TO SEE THIS IMPORTANT EXHIBIT AND TO JOIN THE MUSEUM AND OUR PARTNERS FOR ONE OF OUR REMAINING PRESERVATION MONTH EVENTS, INCLUDING UNEARTHING CHINATOWNS, A DISCUSSION AT THE MUSEUM ON MAY 22ND ABOUT HOW EFFORTS ARE UNDERWAY ALL OVER CALIFORNIA TO PRESERVE PAST AND PRESENT CHINATOWNS A PETALUMA RIVER HISTORY PADDLE ON MAY 25TH WITH THE FLOAT HOUSE AND THE PETALUMA OF YESTERYEAR AND FREE WALKING TOURS OF HISTORIC DOWNTOWN MOST SATURDAY MORNINGS DEPARTING FROM THE MUSEUM. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR COMMITMENT TO HISTORIC PRESERVATION, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU ALL AT THE MUSEUM SOON. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO SAY A FEW THINGS. MY NAME IS ALICE VANOWEN AND, UH, TOM WHITLEY WASN'T ABLE TO COME TODAY. UM, BUT AS A FORMER MEMBER OF THE HISTORICAL AND CULTURAL PRESERVATION COMMITTEE, I STARTED, UM, THIS PRESERVATION MONTH ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO WITH CASEY GRAINY. AND SO THIS IS OUR FOURTH YEAR THAT WE'RE DOING PRESERVATION MONTH, AND SO WE'RE HOPING TO CONTINUE THAT. UM, IT'S BEEN A GREAT PARTNERSHIP, UM, WITH THE MUSEUM AS WELL AS, UH, ALL TYPES OF OTHER ORGANIZATIONS INCLUDING THE CITY, INCLUDING THE LIBRARY, UH, INCLUDING THE STATE PARK, ADOBE, ET CETERA. SO IT'S A GREAT, UH, PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN A LOT OF DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS. UM, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HALFWAY MORE THAN HALFWAY THROUGH PRESERVATION MONTH, BUT A JUST A COUPLE EVENTS JUST TO HIGHLIGHT. UM, YESTERDAY WE HAD, UH, CATHERINE [00:10:01] REINHARDT TALK ABOUT PETALUMA SCIENCE AT THE PALOMA ART CENTER. UM, IT WAS A PACKED IN THERE, IT WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION. SHE DID A LOT OF RESEARCH, A LOT OF THINGS TO WALK AWAY FROM. AND THEN, UH, LAST WEEK WE ALSO HAD A TOUR OF HERMAN SONS HALL, UM, ON, UH, THE CORNER OF WESTERN AND WEBSTER THAT WE ALL WALK BY AND SEE. AND WE GOT A TOUR INSIDE AND, UH, ABOUT 35, 40 PEOPLE THAT WERE THERE. AND, UH, ALSO REALIZED THAT THEY HAVE A LITTLE MUSEUM INSIDE THAT, SO EVERYBODY GOT A CHANCE TO GO TO THE MUSEUM. SO AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S OPENING UP OUR COMMUNITY, UH, TO SEE, LOOK AT OUR HISTORY, AND THEN HOPEFULLY PRESERVE IT. SO THANK YOU FOR SUPPORTING THIS AND THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE BIKE MONTH, AND I'D LIKE TO INVITE, UH, WILL YEAGER OF THE PEDESTRIAN BICYCLE ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO THE PODIUM AND ARIS WEAVER OF THE SONOMA COUNTY BICYCLE COALITION. AND IT READS, WHEREAS THE BICYCLE IS A HEALTHY, CONVENIENT FINANCIALLY AND ENVIRONMENTALLY SOUND FORM OF TRANSPORTATION AND AN EXCELLENT TOOL FOR RECREATION AND ENJOYMENT OF PETALUMA'S, SCENIC BEAUTY, LOCAL ATTRACTIONS AND FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOODS. WHEREAS CREATING A BICYCLE FRIENDLY COMMUNITY HAS BEEN SHOWN TO IMPROVE RESIDENTS HEALTH, WELLBEING, AND QUALITY OF LIFE, GROWING THE ECONOMY OF PETALUMA, ATTRACTING TOURISM DOLLARS AND LOCAL BUSINESSES SPENDING AND REDUCING POLLUTION, UM, CONGESTION AND WEAR AND TEAR IN OUR STREETS. AND WHEREAS THE TRANSPORTATION SECTOR IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ROUGHLY TWO THIRDS OF OUR CITY'S ACTIVITY-BASED GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS AND PETALUMA'S COMMITTED TO CARBON NEUTRALITY BY 2030. AND WHEREAS THE SONOMA COUNTY BICYCLE COALITION AND THE LEAGUE OF AMERICAN BICYCLISTS, THE METROPOLITAN TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION AND JURISDICTIONS THROUGHOUT THE BAY AREA, WE'LL BE PROMOTING BICYCLING THROUGH THE MONTH OF MAY. AND WHEREAS THESE GROUPS ARE PROMOTING GREATER PUBLIC AWARENESS OF BICYCLE OPERATION AND ITS SAFETY EDUCATION IN AN EFFORT TO REDUCE COLLISIONS, INJURIES AND FATALITIES AND IMPROVE HEALTH AND SAFETY FOR EVERYONE ON THE ROAD. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVE THAT I, KEVIN MCDONALD, MAYOR OF PETALUMA, ALONG WITH THE MEMBERS OF THE PETALUMA CITY COUNCIL, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM MAY, 2025 AS BIKE MONTH AND URGE ALL RESIDENTS TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS SPECIAL OBSERVANCE. THANK YOU, HONOR, THANK YOU FOR THAT PROCLAMATION AND FOR ALL OF YOUR PARTNERSHIPS OVER THE YEARS. UM, I'M ACTUALLY JOINED TODAY ALSO BY MY BOARD MEMBER, AARON PRENTICE, WHO OWNS A BIKE SHOP HERE IN TOWN. AND OF COURSE, I'M NOD TO THE, UH, PETALUMA SAFE STREETS FOLKS WHO'VE, WHO'VE ALL BEEN VERY INVOLVED WITH ALL THESE ACTIVITIES AS WELL. 25 YEARS AGO, MEMBERS OF A LOCAL CYCLING CLUB CHANNELED THEIR FEAR, THEIR FRUSTRATION, THEIR ANGER, AND THEIR SADNESS ABOUT THEIR FELLOW CYCLISTS WHO HAD BEEN HARASSED, INJURED, AND KILLED ON THE STREETS OF OUR COUNTY INTO AN ADVOCACY GROUP THAT BECAME THE SONOMA COUNTY BICYCLE COALITION. AND IN THOSE YEARS SINCE THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF PROGRESS, UM, PETALUMA HAS VERY MUCH BEEN IN THE FOREFRONT OF THAT PROGRESS HERE IN THE COUNTY. YOU PUT IN THE FIRST PROTECTED BIKE LANES, YOU BOUGHT THE FIRST BIKE LANE SWEEPER. UM, YOU, UM, HAVE DONE A LOT, UH, AS A CITY. YOU HAVE PARTNERED WITH US ON BIKE TO WORKDAY ON THE FIRST SVIA EVENTS IN THE NORTH BAY, UH, AND A LOT OF OTHER, UM, THINGS THAT WE'VE ALL BEEN DOING TOGETHER THROUGHOUT HERE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I FIND, UM, AS, UH, IMPORTANT, IF NOT EVEN MORE SO THAN THE NUMBER OF MILES OF FACILITIES THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT IN THESE 20 YEARS, IS THE CHANGE IN THE LARGER CULTURE. UH, IT, MY PERCEPTION IS NOW THAT A MUCH GREATER PERCENTAGE OF THE POPULATION SEES IMPROVED BICYCLE INFRASTRUCTURE, NOT JUST AS AN INCONVENIENCE FOR THEM, BUT AS SOMETHING THAT IMPROVES THE SAFETY AND WELLBEING OF THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY, WHETHER THEY THEMSELVES RIDE A BICYCLE OR NOT. JUST A WEEK AGO I WAS GIVING A TALK TO A BUSINESS GROUP AND I STARTED WITH BIKES ARE GOOD FOR BUSINESS, TRUE OR FALSE, AND ALL THE HANDS WENT UP FOR TRUE. AND THAT WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED EVEN FIVE YEARS AGO IN A GROUP LIKE THAT. UM, SO AGAIN, I, UH, THANK YOU FOR THIS PROCLAMATION FOR EVERYTHING THAT PETALUMA HAS BEEN DONE, AND I HOPE THE MONTH ISN'T OVER YET. UH, YOU CAN FIND OUT MORE OF ALL THE STUFF WE HAVE GOING ON@BIKECINEMA.ORG. SURE. UH, WHEREAS I HAVE LEFT MY HOUSE MANY TIMES IN THE CAR AND WISH I HADN'T AND LOOK BACK AND THINK, WHY IS MY BIKE IN THE GARAGE? THE REVERSE HAS NEVER ONCE BEEN TRUE [00:15:01] IN 42 YEARS OF RIDING MY BIKE HERE IN PETALUMA. UM, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, MAY IS NICE, BUT SO IS JUNE AND EVERY OTHER MONTH, SO PLEASE, UH, YOU KNOW, MAKE EVERY DAY BIKE DAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. AND OUR THIRD PROCLAMATION TONIGHT IS, UM, I NATIONAL PUBLIC WORKS WEEK. AND I'D LIKE TO INVITE OUR DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORK, PAUL KOEL, UP TO THE PODIUM TO RECEIVE THE PROCLAMATION, WHICH READS, WHEREAS THE CITY OF PETALUMA PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT STAFF SERVES THE COMMUNITY WITH DEDICATION AND PROFESSIONALISM AND INTEGRITY. AND WHEREAS PUBLIC WORKS PROFESSIONALS FOCUS ON INFRASTRUCTURE, FACILITIES, AND SERVICES THAT ARE OF VITAL IMPORTANCE TO SUSTAINABLE AND RESILIENT COMMUNITIES AND TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH, HIGH QUALITY OF LIFE AND WELLBEING OF THE PEOPLE OF PETALUMA. AND WHEREAS THE THEME FOR THE 2025 NATIONAL PUBLIC WORKS WEEK IS PEOPLE PURPOSE AND PRESENCE. AND, UH, WHEREAS STAFF AS PART OF ONE PETALUMA TEAM EN ENGAGE COLLABORATIVELY AND ENTHUSIASTICALLY WITH ALL STAKEHOLDERS IN CAPITAL PROJECTS, INFRASTRUCTURE SOLUTIONS, AND QUALITY OF LIFE SERVICES. AND WHEREAS THE SUPPORT OF AN UNDERSTANDING AND INFORMED COMMUNITY IS VITAL TO THE EFFECTIVE OPERATIONS OF PUBLIC WORKS, AND WHEREAS THEIR SERVICE IS STEADFAST DURING EMERGENCIES, PANDEMICS, DROUGHTS, AND STORMS AND SUPPORTS THE CITY'S COLLECTIVE ADAPTABILITY TO ADDRESS CLIMATE CHANGE. AND WHEREAS THEIR COMMITMENT AND PASSION IN THE WORK THEY DO AND THE COMMUNITY THEY SERVE IS PROFOUND AND WITH THEIR IMPACT RESONATING IN EVERY CORNER OF OUR LIVES. NOW, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT I, KEVIN MCDONALD, MAYOR OF PETALUMA, ALONG WITH THE MEMBERS OF THE PETALUMA CITY COUNCIL, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM THE WEEK OF MAY 18TH TO 24TH, 2025 AS NATIONAL PUBLIC WORKS WEEK IN THE CITY OF PETALUMA, AND CALL UPON ALL CITIZENS AND CIVIC ORGANIZATIONS TO ACQUAINT THEMSELVES WITH OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND TO APPRECIATE THE VITAL ROLE PLAYED BY THESE IMPORTANT PUBLIC WORKS PROFESSIONALS IN SHAPING OUR COLLECTIVE FUTURE AND IN CONTRIBUTING EVERY DAY TO OUR HEALTH, SAFETY, COMFORT, AND QUALITY OF LIFE. UH, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. UM, UH, THANK YOU FOR THIS RECOGNITION. UH, I'M JOINED, UH, TONIGHT BY, UH, GINA BENI NIK, OUR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, AND WE'RE HONORED TO RECEIVE THIS PROCLAMATION ON BEHALF OF OUR DEDICATED AND HARDWORKING PUBLIC WORKS STAFF. UM, THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WORKS ASSOCIATION SPONSORS NATIONAL PUBLIC WORKS WEEK, UM, AND EACH YEAR THEY DEVELOP, UM, A THEME, UH, TO HELP MUNICIPALITIES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY PROMOTE AND EDUCATE, UH, CITIZENS ON THE IMPORTANCE OF PUBLIC WORKS. UH, THIS YEAR'S THEME, I THINK DID, THEY DID A REALLY GREAT JOB IN CAPTURING WHAT WE'RE ABOUT, UH, WHAT WE'RE ABOUT HERE IN PETALUMA. AND SO I THOUGHT I'D JUST READ IT THIS YEAR'S THEME, WHICH THE MAYOR MENTIONED A MOMENT AGO, IS PEOPLE PURPOSE PRESENCE. IT HIGHLIGHTS THREE CORNERSTONE IDEALS THAT MOTIVATE PUBLIC WORKS PROFESSIONALS TO SERVE IN THEIR COMMUNITIES EVERY DAY. MEETING THE NEEDS OF PEOPLE IS WHAT GIVES PUBLIC WORKS ITS SENSE OF PURPOSE. MANY TIMES, PUBLIC WORKS PROFESSIONALS WILL NEVER MEET THOSE WHOSE LIVES HAVE BEEN IMPACTED, BECAUSE WHEN THINGS ARE GOING RIGHT, NO ONE KNOWS THAT PUBLIC WORKS IS THERE YET WITH, YET WITH OR WITHOUT FANFARE. PUBLIC WORKS IS EVER PRESENT, WORKING IN THE BACKGROUND TO ADVANCE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR ALL MAYOR, COUNCIL AND COMMUNITY HAPPY PUBLIC WORKS WEEK. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK, THANK YOU. AND THAT [GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT] MOVES US TO OUR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD FOR THE EVENING. AND DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON ITEMS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THAT ARE WITHIN THE CITY COUNCIL'S SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION AND THAT ARE NOT LISTED ON CURRENT AGENDA. PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON, AND DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF PERSONS WISHING TO ADDRESS COUNSEL, TIME WILL BE ALLOCATED IN EQUAL SHARES TOTALING NO MORE THAN 20 MINUTES. IF WE HAVE MORE THAN 20 SPEAKERS WISHING TO SPEAK, ADDITIONAL COMMENTS WILL BE HEARD AFTER OUR LAST BUSINESS ITEM ON THE AGENDA. AND SO WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO ASK OUR CLERK IF WE RECEIVED ANY GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS AND THEN ALSO TO READ OUR MESSAGE. YES, WE RECEIVED FIVE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS AND THOSE ARE POSTED TO THE WEBSITE. UM, AT [00:20:01] THIS TIME, I'LL START A 32ND CLOCK FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. DURING THESE 30 SECONDS, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ATTENDING IN PERSON SHOULD BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE SO. SPEAKERS ARE REMINDED TO BE RESPECTFUL IN THEIR COMMENTS AND THAT THIS MEETING IS BEING TRANSLATED. PLEASE PAUSE BETWEEN SENTENCES FOR TRANSLATION. THANK YOU. UH, TONIGHT WE HAVE 10, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS AND, UH, CARDS SUBMITTED. AND SO THE TIME WILL BE SET AT TWO MINUTES PER SPEAKER. AND THE FIRST SPEAKER IS KIM SCOTT TO BE FOLLOWED BY KATHERINE BOBOWSKI. WOW. TWO MINUTES. UM, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. UM, I'LL, I'LL START WITH MY THANKS. MY, UH, GRATITUDES. I WANNA CONGRATULATE YOU ALL. I, UM, I'M PULLING OFF YET ANOTHER BIG PETALUMA EVENT LAST WEEKEND WITH SOME AWARENESS OF WHAT IT TAKES TO INVITE SO MANY PEOPLE TO CONVERGE IN A MUNICIPAL SPACE. I AM SO IMPRESSED OF HOW WELL YOU DO IT AND HOW OFTEN YOU DO IT. UM, AND THEN AFTER WATCHING LAST WEEK'S CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP TWICE, UH, I ALSO WANT TO CONGRATULATE THE STAFF WHO GAVE SUCH A THOROUGH AND POSITIVE PRESENTATION AS TO CURRENT BUDGET MATTERS. SOMETHING I'M REALLY INTERESTED IN AND I'LL THROW IN REAL QUICKLY, UM, THAT THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR MAKING THIS AVAILABLE. I WATCH YOU ON MY LITTLE, ON MY LITTLE SCREEN EVERY TIME YOU MEET. UM, SO WHAT I'M REALLY HERE FOR IS I REALLY WANTED TO STAND BEFORE YOU LOOK Y ALL IN THE EYE AND WITHOUT MALICE TO SAY THAT I AM PARTICIPATING IN WHAT I BELIEVE TO BE MY DEMOCRATIC RESPONSIBILITY. ELECTIONS ARE A VERY IMPORTANT ASPECT OF CITIZENSHIP, AS IS STAYING INFORMED OF CITY MATTERS. I DON'T THINK ENOUGH PEOPLE DO THAT, BUT ELECTIONS ARE NOT THE ONLY AVENUE FOR CITIZENS TO FULFILL THEIR DEMOCRATIC DUTY. AS ADULTS, WE MUST SPEAK ARE BEST CONVICTIONS WHEN GIVEN THE LEGAL OPPORTUNITY, THE REFERENDUM ISSUE BEFORE US WILL BE RESOLVED ONE DAY AND WE WILL STILL BE NEIGHBORS WHO WANT THE VERY BEST FOR OUR CITY. I REFUSE TO PARTICIPATE IN DEMEANING BEHAVIOR AND WILL CONTINUE TO RESPECTFULLY EXTEND THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIGN THE REFERENDUM PETITION AS A DEMOCRATIC ACTION IN THE TIMES AND PLACES ALLOT ALLOTTED. AND AGAIN, I THANK YOU. I THINK THIS IS AN AMAZING LITTLE CITY. OOH, YEAH. THANK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. CATHERINE BOBOWSKI TO BE FOLLOWED BY UM, NICOLE LE FRY. YES, MY NAME'S C UH, CATHERINE ROSKI. I LIVE AT LITTLE WOODSVILLE OF MOBILE PARK ON MAY 14TH. I TOOK A PICTURE OF HARVEY'S, UM, OPERATING PERMIT THERE ON, ON THEIR OFFICE. IT SAID, HARMONY'S OPERATING PERMIT EXPIRED MAY 31ST, 2024. THAT'S ILLEGAL. THIS IS MAY 25. AND ALSO TOO, I DID SOME INVESTIGATING. I ALSO FOUND OUT HARMONY COMMUTING IS OPERATING MOBILE HOME PARKS WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, STATEWIDE WITHOUT A PROPER OPERATING LICENSE. THAT'S ALSO AGAINST THE LAW. AND ALSO TOO HARM IS, UH, A LEASING AND RENTING, UH, VIRGINIA'S MOBILE HOME AT SPACE TWO, WHICH IS, UH, BELONGS TO ULA UH, PARKING RECREATION. THAT'S ILLEGAL 'CAUSE IT WAS DONATED BY, UH, VIRGINIA TO PARK, UH, PARK, UH, PA PARK RECREATION. AND ALSO TOO, THEY CAN BE DOING THAT. AND ALSO TOO, THE PTO POLICE DEPARTMENT IS ILLEGALLY ALLOWING THIS MANAGER ON SITE PARK MANAGER TO PARK HER, HAVE HER FRIENDS PARK ILLEGALLY IN THE RED ZONE ON PERRY LANE ALL DAY, ALL NIGHT, AND BREAK IT ALL THE LAWS. AND THEY DON'T RESPOND. AND THEY KEEP SAYING THEY'RE NOT GONNA RESPOND AND ALLOW HER TO BE DOING THIS. THAT'S ALSO AGAINST THE LAW BECAUSE EMERGENCY VEHICLES HAVE TO GET IN AND OUT THE SAFE PEOPLE'S LIVES. AND ALSO TOO, SHE'S HAVING HER FAMILY TO BE PARKING AGAINST MY MOBILE HOME [00:25:01] AT 31 SINCE MAY, SINCE JANUARY 7TH. AND IT'S STILL THERE. AND THAT IS NOT A LEGAL PARKING AREA THAT'S CONSIDERED STALKING INVASION OF PRIVACY AND PUTTING MY LIFE AND MY MOBILE IN DANGER. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. THANK YOU. NICOLA FRY, TO BE FOLLOWED BY JODY JOHNSON. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS NICOLA FRY, AND I'M SPEAKING TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF MANY PETALUMA MOBILE HOME RESIDENTS WHO ARE FEELING INCREASINGLY CONCERNED AND CONFUSED ABOUT THE STATUS OF AN IMPORTANT AGENDA ITEM THAT NOW HAS BEEN REMOVED OR RESCHEDULED SEVERAL TIMES OVER THE PAST TWO MONTHS. SPECIFICALLY, WE'RE REFERRING TO THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE MUNICIPAL CODE SECTION CHAPTER 6.50, WHICH HAS TO DO WITH MOBILE HOME PARK SPACE RENT STABILIZATION. WE RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR THE CLARIFICATION ON THIS. WHY IS THE CURRENT STATUS OF THE PROPOSED MUNICIPAL CODE AMENDMENT RELATED TO MOBILE HOME PARKS REMOVED? WHY HAS IT BEEN REPEATEDLY REMOVED OR POSTPONED? AND IT IS POSSIBLE WHEN WE CAN, WE REASONABLY EXPECT TO SEE IT ON THE FUTURE AGENDA. THIS IS, THIS ITEM WAS RECENTLY LISTED FOR TONIGHT'S AGENDA, BUT WAS REMOVED AS OF TODAY. THIS HAS HAPPENED AT LEAST SIX TIMES. WE UNDERSTAND THAT AGENDA SHIFTS AND THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM WITH US. WE JUST WANNA KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING. HAS THE CITY CHANGED COURSE? HAS THE DECISION BEEN MADE BEHIND THE SCENES THAT WE'RE NOT AWARE OF? OR IS IT SIMPLY A MATTER OF TIMING AND STAFFING? FOR THE MORE THAN 1000 RESIDENTS WHO LIVE IN PETALUMA'S MOBILE HOME PARKS, MANY OF 'EM WHO ARE SENIORS OR ON FIXED INCOMES, THIS IS ISSUE IS NOT PROCEDURAL. IT DIRECTLY IMPACTS OUR HOUSING SECURITY, OUR PEACE OF MIND, AND OUR TRUST IN THE PUBLIC PROCESS. WE APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER AND FOR YOUR CONTINUED SERVICE, WE SIMPLY ASK FOR TRANSPARENCY, COMMUNICATION, AND A PATH FORWARD. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU JODY JOHNSON TO BE FOLLOWED BY, UM, UM, UH, RAY KAY, POLAND. GOOD EVENING MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL AND CITY STAFF. UH, TONIGHT AGAIN, WE COME IN FULL FORCE TO THE CITY COUNCIL, ALL FROM MOBILE PARK RESIDENTS ALL OVER PETALUMA AS WELL AS SANTA ROSA HAVE JOINED US THIS EVENING. OUR MOBILE PARK RESIDENTS CONTINUE TO BE HOPEFUL FOR ENFORCEMENT. AGAINST THE CONTINUED EGREGIOUS ACTS MADE BY OUR LARGE INVESTMENT GROUP PARK OWNERS, YOUNGSTOWN SENIOR RESIDENTS WERE FACED WITH ANOTHER SALE AT 1 22 PAMELA COURT TO AN ALL AGE FAMILY WITHIN WITH A 4-YEAR-OLD, THE SALE AND REALTOR KNEW ABOUT THE SENIOR PARK OVERLAY. THE REQUIRED SENIOR STATUS REQUIRED SENIOR PURCHASE AGREEMENT, THE REQUIRED SENIOR LEASE AGREEMENT, AND THE REQUIRED SENIOR RULES AND REGULATIONS AND SOLD IT AS ALL AGE AGAINST EVERY ONE OF THOSE SENIOR REQUIREMENTS. THIS HAPPENED JUST TWO WEEKS AGO. THE YOUNGSTOWN POOL HAS BEEN TAKEN OVER NOW BY 10-YEAR-OLD BIRTHDAY PARTIES WITH MULTIPLE CHILDREN, TEENAGER POOL PARTIES AT NIGHT WITHOUT ADULT SUPERVISION. GAMES OF MARCO POLO SO LOUD THAT NEARBY RESIDENTS CAN'T HANDLE THE STRESS LOSS OF SERVICES AT THE POOL FOR SENIORS WHO USE THE HOT TUB TO SOOTHE THEIR AILING BODIES AND HAVE FOR YEARS. THEN OF COURSE, WE HAVE THE CONDITION OF THE POOL, WHICH REQUIRED THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO MAKE AN ASSESSMENT OF THE CONDITIONS. ONLY AFTER THAT DID YOUNGSTOWN MANAGEMENT DO THE BARE MINIMUM, BUT STILL HAVE NOT MADE THE HOT TUB. OPERATIONAL MOST EGREGIOUS TO ALL AT THIS POINT IS OUR PETITION SIGNED BY 90 RESIDENTS AGAINST THE EXTORTION ATTEMPT TO GIVE UP OUR RIGHTS BEING POSTED INSIDE THE MANAGEMENT OFFICE SAID, MANAGEMENT REMINDS ALMOST ALL RESIDENTS IF THEY SIGNED IT, SHE WON'T WISH TO ENGAGE WITH YOU, ACKNOWLEDGE THEIR CONCERNS, OR WILL SIMPLY TURN THEIR BACK ON THEM FOR EXERCISING THEIR RIGHTS TO LAWFUL PROTECTIONS. OUR SENIOR PARK IS SIMPLY NOT RECOGNIZABLE. 51 MICHAEL HAS NOW GONE UP FOR SALE LISTED ON MLS AS ALL AGES. KAY POLAND SHOULD BE FOLLOWED BY JENNIFER BOYLE. YOUNGSTOWN IS THE ONLY ONE OF FIVE SENIOR MOBILE PARKS GOING AGAINST THE SENIOR PARK OVERLAY IN EVERY WAY. LITTLE WOODS CONTINUES TO BE HARMED BY THE LOSS OF PARKING MADE WORSE BY SURROUNDING BUSINESSES, REMOVING PARKING THERE WITH CHAINS AND SIGNS. THIS APPEARS TO BE EMPLOYEES OF ANOTHER BUSINESS BEING TERRITORIAL OVER PARKING THAT DOES NOT BELONG TO THEM EITHER. YOU CAN IMAGINE AS RESIDENTS PARK MILES AWAY IN MANY INSTANCES, THEN HAVE TO SEEK FENCED IN AREAS WHERE THEY USED TO PARK EMPTY WITHOUT USE. [00:30:01] DONE MERELY FOR THE PURPOSE OF RETALIATION AND ABUSE ONLY FROM PARK OWNERS. LITTLE WOODS'S POOL IS NOT EVEN OPEN AS IT SHOULD BE. AND OF COURSE, THE CONDITION IS BEYOND BAD. LITTLE WOODS'S RESIDENTS ARE STANDING UP TO THEIR RIGHTS, BUT AT WHAT COST THEY OWN THEIR MOBILE HOMES LIVE WITHIN THEIR MEANS ARE HUMBLE, HARDWORKING RESIDENTS AND CERTAINLY DID NOT DESERVE ANY OF THIS. CAPRI STILL ACCUMULATES OVERCHARGES EVEN TO THOSE RESIDENTS AFTER ARBITRATIONS CHARGED AN INCREASED GROUND RENT BASE, HOPEFUL THAT THE ENFORCEMENT TO THAT WILL SOON BE COMING. IN ADDITION, AFTER THE LAST LETTER TO PARK OWNERS AND TO THE RESIDENTS, NO PARKING HAS BEEN RESTORED AT CAPRI. HOPEFUL THAT IS HAPPENING SOON, WE ARE BEYOND GRATEFUL THAT WITH THE RESOLUTION BROUGHT FORTH ON OUR PETALUMA RESIDENT'S BEHALF BY ERIC VASQUEZ, UM, I'M NOT SURE I IS IRE. I BELIEVE THAT THE SONOMA COUNTY CENTRAL COMMITTEE PASSED THE, THE RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT SOLIDARITY AND SOLIDARITY AND LEGISL LEGISL LEGISLATIVE SOLIDARITY. IN ADDITION, OUR MOBILE PARK RESIDENTS FROM PETALUMA ARE REALLY SHOWING UP AT THE STATE CAPITOL. AND AFTER 2000 CALLS WERE ABLE TO BE A PART OF A B EIGHT 13 BEING PULLED, WHICH WOULD'VE ALLOWED EVICTION WITHOUT DUE PROCESS WHEN A MANAGER OR PARK OWNER WOULD DEEM A PRESIDENT RESIDENT NUISANCE. IN ADDITION, OUR RESIDENTS TESTIFIED AND SUPPORTED BOTH THERE. THANK YOU JENNIFER BOY HILL TO BE FOLLOWED BY JANICE BARKER. IN ADDITION, OUR RESIDENTS TESTIFIED AND SUPPORTED BOTH OF ASSEMBLY MEMBER DAMON CONNOLLY BILLS. AND FOR THE AB 9 2 5 ASSEMBLY MEMBER ADD IS EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS BILL AB 4 5 6 INTER INFERENCE OF SALES IS AWAITING AN ASSEMBLY FLOOR VOTE. AB 8 0 6 ALLOWING COOLING SYSTEMS FOR THE 1 MILLION MOBILE PARK RESIDENTS IN THE STATE PASSED THE ASSEMBLY FLOOR AND HEADED TO THE SENATE SIDE. PETALUMA MOBILE PARK RESIDENTS ARE MAKING THE DIFFERENCE IN SUPPORT OF 1 MILLION MOBILE PARK RESIDENTS STATEWIDE. AS WE CONTINUE TO BRING PEACE, CALM, AND SIMPLE LIVING FREE OF ABUSE. BACK TO OUR PETALUMA MOBILE PARKS. WE THANK YOU FOR IN ADVANCE FOR THE CONSIDERATION TO DEFEND, ENFORCE, AND ENHANCE THE CURRENT ORDINANCES. WE ARE REMINDED OF THE QUOTE BY MICHELLE OBAMA. I LOVE THIS WHEN WE GO LOW, WHEN THEY GO LOW, RATHER WE GO HIGH. RESPECTFULLY. PETALUMA MOBILE HOME RESIDENCE UNITED. THANK YOU JANICE BARKER, TO BE FOLLOWED BY TIM PORTUS. DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO READ? NO. OKAY. HELLO, IT'S JANICE AGAIN WITHOUT EDDIE'S SCRIPT. IT'S AN HONOR TO BE STANDING HERE IN FRONT OF YOU AND TO BE HEARD BY YOU. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE MOST VALUABLE EXERCISES WE HAVE AS A COMMUNITY. AND THAT YOU ACT UPON THE THINGS THAT YOU HEAR FROM US MAKES US WHOLEHEARTEDLY APPRECIATE YOUR REPRESENTATION. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU TIM PORTUS TO BE FOLLOWED BY JOHN HANIA. HELLO, COUNSEL. I ALSO DO NOT HAVE SOMETHING ALREADY WRITTEN. A LITTLE FUNNY FOR ME, BUT YOU ALL KNOW MUCH OF OUR STORIES. WE'RE STILL HOPING FOR YOU. WE'RE STILL DREAMING ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO. WE'RE HANGING ONTO IT. WE'RE NOT GONNA STOP OVER 30 TIMES FOR MYSELF RIGHT HERE, 30 AND IN THREE YEARS IT THAT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH IT, IT HAS BEEN ENLIGHTENING. IT HAS BEEN A PLEASURE. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT BEING INVOLVED WITH A POLITICS IN SUCH A LITTLE CITY COULD BE ACTIVE, BUT IT'S ACTIVE HERE, . SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. THANK YOU FOR THE PEACE THAT YOU BRING AMONG AMONGST US. WE APPRECIATE ALL THE HARD WORK YOU'RE ALL DOING HERE FOR OUR CITY BECAUSE IT'S FOR YOU AS WELL. AND THANK YOU FOR LOOKING AFTER, UH, THOSE OF US THAT HAVE GOTTEN ELDERLY, MAYBE NOT DOING AS WELL AS MAYBE SOMEONE ELSE DON'T HAVE THE EXTRA, EXTRA INCOME AND LIVE WITH THESE PLACES. WE FIGHT FOR THEM BECAUSE IT'S WHAT WE HAVE AND THEY'RE COMING AFTER US. WE CAN'T DO IT ALONE. PLEASE. AND THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING THAT [00:35:01] YOU HAVE DONE TO POINT EVERYTHING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU JOHN HANIA TO BE FOLLOWED BY MAUREEN. GOT GOOD EVENING. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS RECALL, UM, BEFORE THE HOLIDAYS, I CAME HERE AND I TOLD YOU ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S BOTHERING ME TREMENDOUSLY IN ITS REFERENCE TO THE AMERICAN FLAG. I HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF RESPECT FOR THE AMERICAN FLAG. AND WHEN I SEE A FLAG THAT'S COMPLETELY SHREDDED, THAT BOTHERS ME AND COUNCIL MEMBER NOW, SHE JUMPED ON IT AND TOOK CARE OF THE ONES I SPOKE WITH SHORTLY AFTER I ADDRESSED IT WITH THE PUBLIC, UH, WITH THE PARK AND REC DIRECTOR. AND I HAPPENED TO BE TUESDAY AT THE FARMER'S MARKET. I REALLY SUGGESTED EACH ONE OF YOU DRIVE THERE AND TAKE A LOOK ABOUT THE AMERICAN FLAG AND THE STATE FLAG AND HOW DISGRACE IT IS TO BE FLYING ON A CITY BUILDING. THAT'S HORRIBLE. THAT'S ONE. TWO, A FEW MEETINGS AGO WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE HOTEL AND THE REFERENDUM, MR. BARNACLE OVER THERE SAID, AND I QUOTE, I WELCOME REFERENDUM. THAT'S WHEN NO RUBBER HIT THE ROAD. BUT NOW ALL A SUDDEN, I DON'T UNDERSTAND. WHY IS HE SO SCARED OF THE REFERENDUM? AND I ASKED THAT QUESTION TO SOCIAL MEDIA SEVERAL TIMES, AND ALL I GET IS CRICKET. SO WHAT IS IT THAT YOU'RE SO AFRAID OF, MR. BARNACLE? OKAY, THREE, I'M LOSING MY THOUGHTS HERE. I I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU SAW THAT NEWSPAPER ABOUT CHALLENGING DEMOCRACY BY JANICE TAYLOR THOMPSON, WHICH IS A JOKE. THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO'S CHALLENGING DEMOCRACY IS SOME OF YOU SITTING UP THERE BY TRYING NOT TO ALLOW THE COMM THE CITIZEN TO VOICE THEIR OPINION. THANK YOU. AND I REALLY HOPE THAT YOU GUYS GO BY THE QUE PARK AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE FLAG. THANK YOU. AND MAUREEN ZA WILL BE OUR LAST SPEAKER FOR THE EVENING. THANK YOU. PETALUMA. COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON WROTE AN OPINION IN THE PRESS DEMOCRAT ON SUNDAY, MAY 18TH, 2020. FIND THAT I FIND EXTREMELY TROUBLING IN HER OPINION. SHE FUNDAMENTALLY MISCHARACTERIZED A CURRENT ONGOING CITIZEN PURSUIT FOR REFERENDUM AS AN ATTACK ON DEMOCRACY WHEN IT IS IN FACT DEMOCRACY IN ACTION. THE SUGGESTION THAT THE CITIZEN LED INITIATIVES SEEKING TO CHALLENGE SPECIFIC POLICY DECISIONS SOMEHOW ERASES VOTES OR RENDER ELECTIONS MEANINGLESS PORTRAYS A CONCERNING MISUNDERSTANDING OF OUR DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM. REFERENDUMS ARE NOT ANTI-DEMOCRATIC. THEY ARE EXPLICITLY DEMOCRATIC TOOLS ENSHRINED IN OUR LAWS TO ENSURE THE PEOPLE MAINTAIN A VOICE BETWEEN ELECTIONS. OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS RECEIVE AUTHORITY FROM VOTERS NOT UNLIMITED POWER. WHEN SIGNIFICANT DECISIONS LIKE MAJOR REZONING AFFECT OUR COMMUNITY'S FUTURE, FUTURE, THE PEOPLE DESERVE A DIRECT VOICE. THIS REFERENDUM DOES NOT QUESTION ELECTION LEGITIMACY OR ATTEMPT TO STRIP COUNCIL MEMBERS OF THEIR POSITIONS. WE ARE EXERCISING OUR LAWFUL RIGHT TO CHALLENGE A SPECIFIC POLICY DECISION THAT WILL PROFOUNDLY IMPACT PETALUMA'S CHARACTER AND LIVABILITY FOR GENERATIONS. COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN AND SHOULD DEFEND THEIR POSITIONS USING FACTS. BUT WHEN THOSE SAME ELECTED OFFICIALS ATTACK THE LEGAL RIGHTS OF CITIZENS TO ENGAGE IN THAT PROCESS, THAT IS TRULY THE UNDERMINING OF OUR DEMOCRACY. I AM ASKING THE CITY COUNCIL LEADERSHIP TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT A REFERENDUM BY PETALUMA CITY RESIDENTS IS NOT CHALLENGING DEMOCRACY AS COUNCIL MEMBER CATER TO, UH, THOMPSON HAS STATED IN HER OPINION, BUT IT IS THEIR LEGAL RIGHT TO PURSUE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THAT WAS OUR LAST SPEAKER FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. UM, MAYOR, WOULD IT BE OKAY TO DISCUSS A COUPLE OF THE, LIKE, TO INVITE OUR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY IN? THANKS. YES. I WANNA GIVE AN UPDATE ON THE ORDINANCE IN RESPONSE TO PUBLIC COMMENT. IT'S STILL ON THE TENANT SCHEDULE FOR JUNE 2ND. WE HAVE A DRAFT. WE'RE REALLY REVIEWING IT. WE WENT TO THE AMENDMENTS A FEW YEARS AGO AND WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO MORE LOOPHOLES AND THAT WE WON'T HAVE TO COME BACK HERE IN A COUPLE YEARS, UH, TO RESOLVE ANY MORE OF THE ORDINANCE. UH, WE HAVE BEEN BUSY. WE JUST FILED A BRIEF, UH, REGARDING ATTORNEY'S [00:40:01] FEES AND ONE OF THE MOBILE HOME LAWSUITS. UH, WE HAVE A YOUNGSTOWN AFFIRMATIVE LAWSUIT, UH, FOR VIOLATING OUR SENIOR OVERLAY ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE STILL FIGHTING AND PURSUING AND LOOKING AT AN INJUNCTION THERE. AND WE ARE ACTIVELY LOOKING AND DISCUSSING THE PARKING SITUATION. THANK YOU. I I BELIEVE YOU HAVE READ SEVEN MINDS AT ONCE WITH THAT ANSWER ON THE DIOCESE WHO WE'RE ALL GONNA ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY TO WEIGH IN. AND, UM, WITH THAT, THAT BRINGS [COUNCIL COMMENT] US TO COUNCIL COMMENTS. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, UM, I THINK STARTED SOMEWHAT OF A NEWISH TRADITION HERE WHERE THE AMOUNT OF TIME WE'VE OFFERED THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK SHOULD BE RESPECTED BY THE COUNCIL AND SOMEWHAT LIMIT THE COUNCIL TO SPEAK IN A SAME, UM, UH, AMOUNT OF TIME. SO I'VE ASKED THE CLERK TO SET THE CLOCK AT TWO MINUTES. NOT THAT I'M GONNA CUT A MICROPHONE OFF ON A COUNCIL MEMBER, BUT THE, UM, BUT I WISH OR REQUEST EACH COUNCIL MEMBER TO STAY AT, UH, TWO MINUTES FOR THEIR COMMENTS. AND I'D LIKE TO INVITE COUNCIL MEMBER SHRI TO, UM, WEIGH IN. OKAY. UM, WASN'T ABLE TO COVER THIS THE LAST TIME, BUT, UH, I DID ATTEND A, UH, WEBINAR ON FAIR HOUSING, WHICH WAS A ZOOM WEBINAR. UH, BUT IT WAS LIKE STATEWIDE. AND, UH, THERE WAS A RESEARCHER, UH, ON THE PANEL AND HE GAVE SOME REALLY INTERESTING INFORMATION, I THINK, TO SHARE WITH EVERYONE. UM, HE SAID THAT THERE WAS, UH, 85% OF SINGLE FAMILY ZONING IN THE BAY AREA, AND IT'S THE HIGHEST IN CALIFORNIA. SO WE HAVE MORE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, UH, PER PER ACRE OF CITY LAND, UH, THAN ANYWHERE IN, IN CALIFORNIA, HERE IN THE BAY AREA. UH, HOWEVER, THAT PETALUMA IS ONE OF THE BEST IN BAY AREA FOR DIVERSITY AND, UH, LESS SEGREGATION 'CAUSE WE'RE A LITTLE MORE DIVERSE HERE FROM HIS RESEARCH THAT HE HAD DONE, UM, WE'RE, OR, OR A GOOD MIX IS WHAT HE SAID. THEN, UM, HE SAID, FOR SOLUTIONS WHAT WE NEED, UM, TO RE MEET ARENA NUMBERS AND, UH, FOR THE INCREASING POPULATION THAT'S EXPECTED. UM, HE SAYS A GOOD JOB ON ADUS WORK PRETTY WELL, BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE GOOD ENOUGH. AND THAT WE, WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO DO IS, IS THE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING IS WHAT'S MISSING. AND SO, UH, WE NEED TO, UM, ALLOW AND REZONE SINGLE FAMILY HOME AREAS INTO MULTI-FAMILY, UM, ZONING SO THAT WE CAN INCREASE THE NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS PER LITTLE PARCEL. SO SEVERAL SINGLE FAMILY HOME, IT WOULD BE A DUPLEX, FOURPLEX, SIXPLEX, UM, OR ONE OR TWO OF THOSE PROPERTIES NEXT TO EACH OTHER, WHICH IS, UH, I'VE HEARD FROM FOLKS IN SAN DIEGO DO REALLY WELL, UM, WITH IT DOWN THERE. AND, UH, I'VE GOTTEN THROUGH THEIR ZONING AND THAT SEEMS TO BE, UM, VERY GOOD FOR, FOR SAN DIEGO, ONE OF THEIR PROCESSES. SO I JUST THOUGHT BRING THAT TO EVERYONE'S ATTENTION ON THAT ONE. AND I'LL JUST, UH, END MY REPORT THERE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND, UM, I THINK I'M SHIFTING BACK TO THE CLERK FOR A SECOND TO SEE IF WE CAN, UH, HAVE THE DISPLAY UP. IF WE COULD HAVE OUR PCA FOLKS ADD THE, THE TIMER TO THE SCREEN, THAT'D BE GREAT. AND WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE TO COUNCIL MEMBER QUINT. THANK YOU. I, UH, I JUST WANT TO TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE A TIP OF THE CAP TO JOHNNY HIRSH MUGGLE, ALSO KNOWN AS THE ART OF JOHNNY. JOHNNY RECENTLY COMPLETED THE MURALS ON LYNCH CREEK TRAIL, AND I THINK THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL AND THEY'RE JUST GONNA CONTINUE TO, UH, MAKE THAT A, UH, A GEM. UH, LAST, UH, ON WEDNESDAY, MAY 7TH, I ATTENDED OUR, UH, P BACK MEETING AND HAD WHAT I THINK WAS, UH, THE PBAS LAST LOOK AT THE A TP BEFORE IT COMES BEFORE COUNCIL ADOPTION. SO REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT AS WELL. LAST WEDNESDAY I ATTENDED THE FLAG RAISING CEREMONY WITH OUR PETALUMA POLICE DEPARTMENT TO RECOGNIZE PEACE OFFICERS MEMORIAL DAY. SO I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO OUR PEACE OFFICERS FOR KEEPING PETALUMA SAFE. AND LAST THURSDAY I ATTENDED THE LOS CN IMMIGRATION UPDATE IN RO ROANOKE PARK. AND I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT THE LEVEL OF FEAR AND ANXIETY IN OUR IMMIGRANT COMMUNITY IS HIGHER THAN IT'S BEEN IN MY LIFETIME. AND I URGE OUR COMMUNITY TO STAND RESOLUTE IN SUPPORT OF THESE COMMUNITY MEMBERS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLY, UH, NO COMMENT TONIGHT, BUT I HOPE EVERYBODY ENJOYED AMERICAN GRAFFITI LAST WEEKEND. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. UM, I WAS AT THE, THE RIBBON CUTTING FOR THE SLEW BIRDS MURAL AS WELL, AND I SHARE COUNCIL MEMBER QUINN'S COMMENTS. UM, IT WAS A GREAT EVENT AND THE MURALS ARE BEAUTIFUL AND IT'S A GREAT ADDITION TO THE LIN CREEK TRAIL. GET OUT THERE IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN OUT. UM, I HAD A MAYORS AND COUNCIL MEMBERS LEGISLATIVE COMMITTEE MEETING. UM, A FEW UPDATES ON THAT. WE TOOK AFFIRMATIVE, UH, POSITIONS IN SUPPORT OF, UH, AB ONE THAT'S, UM, ASSEMBLY MEMBER, [00:45:01] CONNOLLY'S BILL, UM, FOCUSED ON WILDFIRE RISK AND INCLUDING THAT IN INSURANCE, UM, CALCULATIONS. UH, WE TOOK AN AFFIRMATIVE, UH, POSITION ON AB SIX 50, WHICH GIVES CITIES, UM, MORE TIME TO WORK WITH HCD HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ON OUR HOUSING. UM, UH, OUR HOUSING ELEMENTS. WE TOOK, UH, AFFIRMATIVE POSITIONS IN SUPPORT ON THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BOND ACT OF 2026, UM, OR SPECIFICALLY SB FOUR 17 THAT'S BEING CARRIED BY OUR LOCAL SENATOR, UH, SENATOR KABA, UM, WITH SOME, UH, CAVEATS AROUND THAT, THAT, UM, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE PROVISIONS IN THE BOND MAKES SURE THAT THE MAKES ITS WAY BACK TO SMALLER COUNTIES LIKE SONOMA COUNTY, NAPA COUNTY AND WHATNOT. UM, AND HE WAS DEFINITELY OPENING OPEN TO THAT AND HEARD IT LOUD AND CLEAR. UH, WE ALSO TOOK POSITIONS IN SUPPORT OF, UH, SB 2 39, WHICH BASICALLY WOULD ALLOW FOR CITIES TO, UM, MAKE COMMITTEE MEETINGS, UH, ZOOM WHEN IT DOESN'T REQUIRE US TO, BUT IT ALLOWS US TO. UM, AND THEN WE SUPPORTED SB 3 46, WHICH IS, UM, BASICALLY ALLOWING OR REQUIRING, UM, LIKE ORGANIZATIONS LIKE VRBO OR AIRBNB TO, UM, PROVIDE DATA TO CITIES ON, UM, UTILIZATION IN SHORT TERM RENTALS, UM, AND NOT HOLDING THAT DATA CLOSE TO THEIR CHEST. SO, UM, THAT'S THE UPDATE ON THAT. UH, ALSO ATTENDED THE REBUILDING TOGETHER PETALUMA GALA. AND, UM, JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO ALL THE WORK THEY DO. UM, DRAKE, YOU MADE ME CRY. UM, THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO AND FOR EVERYBODY. YOU PUT THAT ON. AND, UM, UH, I WOULD LIKE THE STAFF TO REPLACE ANY AMERICAN FLAGS AS THEY SEE THAT, UM, THEY'RE SHREDDED. THANK YOU. AND VICE MAYOR NOW. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I'M TRYING TO PUSH MY TROPHY OUT THAT I WAS HONORED TO RECEIVE, UH, RECEIVE ON BEHALF OF THE CITY. AND THIS IS FOR THE CITY OF PETALUMA PARTNERSHIP WITH UNITED CEAL PALSY OF THE NORTH BAY, U-C-P-N-B. AS IT'S KNOWN, MANY PEOPLE DO NOT REALIZE THAT U-C-P-N-B HAS BEEN HELPING TO MAINTAIN PETALUMA'S BUS STOPS FOR OVER 20 YEARS. THIS EFFORT BEGAN IN 2003 WHEN THE SYDNEY PARTNERED WITH THE OLD ADOBE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES OS TO PROVIDE CLEANING AND MAINTENANCE FOR BUS STOPS SINCE 2013. THIS WORK HAS CONTINUED THROUGH OS PARTNERSHIP WITH THE U-C-P-N-B-F ADULT DAY PROGRAM. THE ADULT DAY PROGRAM PLAYS A VITAL ROLE IN KEEPING OUR TRANSIT SYSTEM CLEAN AND ACCESSIBLE. OVER 50 BUS STOPS ACROSS THE CITY OF PETALUMA ARE SERVICED ONE TO THREE TIMES PER WEEK. SERVICES INCLUDE SWEEPING, CLEANING, LITTER REMOVAL TO CREATE A WELL WELCOMING ENVIRONMENT FOR ALL WRITERS. THIS IS OFTEN PHYSICAL BEHIND THE SCENES WORK THAT GOES UNRECOGNIZED YET MAKES A HUGE IMPACT ON TRANSIT WRITERS, ESPECIALLY THOSE MOST VULNERABLE IN OUR COMMUNITY. THE DEDICATION AND CARE BROUGHT BY OS AND UCP AND B ENSURE THAT THIS WORK IS DONE WITH PRIDE, LOVE, AND COMMITMENT, RECOGNIZING THE VALUE OF THIS PARTNERSHIP. THE CITY RENEWED ITS CONTRACT WITH UCP AND B IN AUGUST, 2024, EXTENDING OUR COLLABORATION THROUGH 2027. THANKS TO UCP AND BS EFFORTS, PETA TRANSIT BUS STOPS ARE AMONG THE CLEANEST, SAFEST AND MOST WELCOMING IN SONOMA COUNTY. U-C-P-N-B IS AN ESSENTIAL PARTNER IN OUR MISSION TO MAINTAIN CLEAN AND SAFE AND THRIVING. PETALUMA, I WON'T FINISH, BUT THIS IS FOR YOU, MR. MAYOR . AND, AND ACTUALLY IT'S A HUGE SHOUT OUT TO OUR TRANSIT DEPARTMENT WHO DOES THIS COLLABORATION. SO I WANNA THANK THE STAFF INVOLVED IN IT. IT IS JARED HALL WAS WITH ME, AND, UM, HE HAS DONE ALL THE, THE, THE MUSCLE WORK, SO WE JUST GET TO ACCEPT THE AWARD. , THANK YOU. THANK, THANK YOU VICE MAYOR. AND, UM, IN, IN MY REPORT BACK, I DO WANT TO, UH, UH, SAY THAT WE HEAR ALL THE MOBILE HOME. WE STAY CONCERNED WITH THE CONCERNS THAT YOU'RE BRINGING WITH US, AND WE ARE APPLYING OUR RESOURCES TO BEAR ON THAT PROBLEM. UM, THE CITY MANAGER AND I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO ATTEND A BOARD MEETING OF THE CAFE PUENTE, UH, A SPANISH SPEAKING COMMUNITY HERE IN TOWN. AND, UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF POSITIVE THINGS SAID ABOUT PETALUMA, BUT THE PRIMARY NEGATIVE THING REVOLVED AROUND HOUSING, THE COST OF HOUSING, THE CONDITION OF HOUSING. IT'S JUST FUNNY THAT ALL OUR COMMUNITIES [00:50:01] ARE FACING THE SAME CHALLENGES. UM, I ALSO ATTEND THE CONTINUUM OF CARE, THE HOMELESSNESS COALITION AT THE COUNTY. AND THEY'RE ROLLING OUT THAT CURRENTLY ALL GRANTS FROM THEM TOWARDS HOUSING ARE DOWN 17%. SO ALL OF OUR NONPROFITS ARE GONNA GET 17% LESS IN, IN, UH, SERVICE ABILITY. UH, THEN I, UH, ALSO SAID ON THE MEASURE O COUNTY MENTAL HEALTH BOARD, AND THEIR RESPONSE TO WHAT'S GOING ON NOW IS THAT THEY'RE PULLING 30 TH $30 MILLION OUT OF THEIR PROGRAMS AROUND THE COUNTY JUST TO STAND UP. THE MONIES WE'RE LOSING FROM BOTH THE STATE AND THE, AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. UM, FORTUNATELY FOR PETALUMA, SOME OF THAT IS COMING TO OUR PROGRAMS THAT THEY'RE KEEPING US INTACT. THAT'S COMING DOWN FROM MEASURE O FUNDING. UM, I APPRECIATED, UH, THE BIKE TO WORK DAY. I WAS ABLE TO, UH, UH, CHECK IN AT THE SMART STATION, AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE VOLUNTEERS WHO WORKED THAT. UH, I HAD A GREAT TIME AT THE CRUISE IN THE BOULEVARD EVENT. AND, UH, JUST WANNA NOTE THAT THAT ORGANIZATION DONATES TO THE COMMUNITY AND THEY DONATED 15 A ED LIFESAVING DEVICES TO OUR POLICE DEPARTMENTS. SO WHEN WE ARRIVE FIRST AS A POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, WE CAN IMMEDIATELY START, UM, THAT LIFESAVING WORK. UM, I APPRECIATE THE, UH, POLICE, POLICE MEMORIAL SERVICES THIS WEEK ALSO. AND, UM, I WOULD JUST WANNA SHOUT OUT, MAYBE THE CITY MANAGEMENT WILL HAVE MORE TO SAY, BUT PETALUMA IS NOW TREE CITY USA FOR 2024 BECAUSE OF OUR WORK THAT'S LARGELY DUE TO A RELIEF AND THE OTHER COMMUNITY PARTNERS AND, UM, REBUILDING HAS GOTTEN ITS SHOUT OUT. AND SO THAT'S, UH, THAT'S THE ACTIVITIES THIS WEEK. NOW I'D LIKE [CITY MANAGER COMMENT] TO INVITE OUR CITY MANAGER TO SPEAK IN. THANK YOU MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS AND COMMUNITY, UM, OUR RECRUITMENT TO FILL THEIR, THE 30 VACANCIES WE HAVE ON CITY COMMITTEES AND COMMISSIONS IS STILL OPEN. AND WE ARE TAKING APPLICATIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE ON OUR CITY WEBSITE. THEY'RE DUE BY 5:00 PM ON THURSDAY, MAY 29TH. AND APPOINTMENTS WILL BE MADE BY THE CITY COUNCIL IN JUNE FOR TERMS BEGINNING JULY ONE. SO PLEASE CHECK OUT OUR WEBSITE@CITYOFPETALUMA.ORG SLASH CBS OR BY CONTACTING OUR CITY CLERK'S OFFICE THIS FRIDAY. UM, MAY 23RD FROM FOUR TO SIX AT THE BIANCHI BARN AT THE PETALUMA FAIRGROUNDS. WE'RE DOING AN OPEN HOUSE TO COME CELEBRATE THE OPENING OF PETALUMA'S FAIRGROUNDS, PICKLEBALL COURTS. YOU CAN TOUR THE NEW COURTS AND SEE THE TRANSFORMATION AND HOW THESE PUBLIC COURTS WILL SERVE OUR COMMUNITY. MEET THE TEAM BEHIND THE VISION CHAT WITH THE NONPROFIT LEADERS AND CITY PARTNERS DRIVING THIS EXCITING REVITALIZATION. LEARN HOW YOU CAN GET INVOLVED, FIND OUT HOW TO VOLUNTEER, DONATE, OR BECOME PART OF THE MOVEMENT TO GROW PICKLEBALL ACROSS, UH, PETALUMA AND BUILDING COMMUNITY THROUGH PLAY, CONNECT WITH NEIGHBORS, PLAYERS AND SUPPORTERS IN A CASUAL, WELCOMING ENVIRONMENT. THERE'S GONNA BE LIVE, MUSIC, FOOD, AND FUN, AND IT'S ALL FREE. SO COME JOIN US THIS FRIDAY FROM FOUR TO SIX AND THIS SUNDAY, UM, THROUGH THIS SUNDAY, YOU CAN STILL GET EARLY BIRD PRICES ON THE PETALUMA FAIR. SO GOING TO OUR WEBSITE, UM, I THINK IT'S JUST FAIR, BRIAN, TELL ME IF I'M RIGHT. IS IT CITY OF 2025 FAIR. 2025 FAIR. SO GOING TO OUR WEBSITE, CITY OF PETALUMA.ORG/ 2025. FAIR. UH, TICKETS ARE ON SALE AND YOU CAN GET THE EARLY BIRD PRICE, UM, AND THE SCHEDULE WILL BE RELEASED THIS WEEK. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY COMMENTS. THANKS MAYOR. WE DO HAVE A LOT OF FESTIVITIES IN OUR TOWN, DON'T WE, ? YEP. UM, THAT [CONSENT CALENDAR] TAKES US TO OUR CONSENT CALENDAR FOR THE EVENING, AND I'D LIKE TO, UM, LOOK UP AND DOWN THE DI AND SEE IF ANY OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE ANY PARTICULAR QUESTIONS. AND REMEMBER, I'M ASKING PEOPLE TO HOLD TIGHTER THAT A QUESTION IS A QUESTION, NOT A COMMENT. UM, ON, ON ANY OF THE CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS. SO COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE. YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION ON ITEM FOUR. UH, THE FINAL SUBDIVISION MAP, AND WHEN THIS CAME BEFORE, UM, I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT GETTING THIS QUESTION IN, BUT IT CAUGHT ME AFTER I, UM, WHEN I WAS STUDYING IT AGAIN THIS AFTERNOON. UM, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE, UH, SUBDIVISION MAP THE LAST TIME, THERE WAS TWO THINGS THAT I, UM, I BROUGHT UP AND THAT I THINK WE HAD SUPPORT FOR FROM THE, THE APPLICANT. ONE BEING, UM, A PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION THROUGH PARCEL B, WHERE THERE'S PARKING, UH, TO, UM, TO SORT OF THE, I GUESS IT'D BE PARCEL C, WHICH IS THE, THE, THE STREET. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE WAS, THERE WAS SOME, UH, CONFIRMATION THAT SOME OF THE, LIKE THE POOR ATTRIBUTES AT THE ENTRANCE TO IT, WHERE WE HAVE THE LIKE STOP SIGN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CROSSWALK AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, IT COMES FROM A MULTI-USE PATH DOWN TO A SMALL PEDESTRIAN PATH. AND THEN THERE'S LIKE LITERALLY LIKE SIGNS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT. THERE WAS SOME THING, THERE WAS SOME AGREEMENT TO ADDRESS THOSE AND I JUST DIDN'T SEE THAT, [00:55:01] UM, CALLED OUT IN THE FINAL SUBDIVISION MAP OR THE, THE STAFF REPORT. SO I WAS JUST WONDERING IF WE COULD ADDRESS THOSE TWO TOPICS. I'VE GOT OUR CITY ENGINEER, KENT CRUTHERS, WHO CAN SPEAK TO THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. Q KENT CARUTHERS, UM, CITY ENGINEER, UM, MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. SO TO ADDRESS, UM, YOUR COMMENTS, THE, THE AND QUESTIONS, THE FINAL MAP ISN'T GONNA SHOW ALL THE, THE, UH, ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION AND THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT, THAT GO ALONG WITH THE SUBDIVISION. SO AFTER YOUR, UM, YOUR COMMENTS WERE, WERE TAKEN IN THE APPLICANT AND OR ENGINEERING TEAM REVIEWED, UM, MAKING ACCESSIBILITY AND LOOKING AT THOSE, THOSE, UM, THOSE SUGGESTIONS. AND THERE WAS SOME AREAS THAT WERE WIDENED ON THE BACKSIDE, BUT TO MAKE THE INTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS COME THROUGH, THERE WAS, UM, THERE WAS A DA CONSTRAINTS AND SAFETY ISSUES AS FAR AS ALLOWING OR DIRECTING PEDESTRIANS OFF THE MAIN PATH TO GO INTO A PARKING LOT AREA, UM, WHERE WE DIDN'T HAVE THE NECESSARY STRIPING OR, UM, THE RAMPS. SO THE INTERIOR PATHWAYS WERE STILL INTENDED FOR THE, THE RESIDENTS OF THE AREA TO TAKE, GO FROM THE PARKING LOT THROUGH THE BUILDINGS AND THEN GET TO THE, THE PATHWAY ON THE BACKSIDE. I DO HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE, THE ENGINEER DESIGNING THE PLANS. THAT MIGHT, UM, COULD ANSWER THE QUESTIONS A LITTLE BIT MORE AS FAR AS THE, UM, THE SIGNAGE. I'M NOT QUITE, UM, SURE ABOUT THE, THE SIGNAGE. OKAY. STEVE, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO TALK TO THAT? YEAH, COUNCIL MEMBERS, STEVE FRAKE, FRA AND ASSOCIATES. SO I THINK KENT HOPEFULLY RESPONDED TO THE FIRST QUESTION, WHICH WAS THE PATHWAY THAT I, I REMEMBER THE TENTATIVE MAP COMING BY THAT BUILDING. AND, AND JUST TO WHAT HAD HAPPENED WITH THAT, THE, WHEN WE GOT INTO THE WEEDS OF THE ACTUAL PROJECT, THE BUILDING WAS REALLY BIGGER THAN WE HAD, SO WE ONLY HAD SO MUCH ROOM BETWEEN THE RIGHT OF WAY AND THEN THAT AREA THERE. SO WE WOULD BE DIRECTING, UM, WE'D BE, WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH WIDTH AND WE'D BE DIRECTING PEOPLE RIGHT OUT INTO, UH, AN AREA. WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY EASEMENT. SO THE OPTION FOR THAT WAS TO, AS, AS, UM, UH, KENT HAD EXPRESSED AS WE HAD A PUBLIC PATHWAY THAT'S ALREADY, IT GOES ACROSS LOT SIX AND TO GET IT OUT TO THE, UH, TO CA FIELD LANE WHERE THERE IS, UH, UH, BIKE LANES AND THEN THE, THE OTHER, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A PUBLIC STREET THAT LOOPS AROUND, UH, THE PROJECT TOO. SO THAT WAS ANOTHER DIRECTION TO GO THROUGH. BUT I, I DO SPECIFICALLY REMEMBER THAT AREA. AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, THERE'S JUST WASN'T ROOM TO GET A PATHWAY IN THERE. AND IT WOULD BE DIRECTING, UH, PEOPLE INTO AN UNSAFE SAFE LOCATION WHERE WE DIDN'T HAVE, UM, THE ACCESS OR DIDN'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE ABLE TO USE THAT WAS A PRIVATE, UH, PARCEL. SO THAT WAS THAT QUESTION, I BELIEVE. OKAY. THE OTHER IS THAT, UH, I DO REMEMBER THE SIGN ON THAT AND, UH, I'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND CHECK, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT, UH, THE SIGN WAS GOING TO BE ADJUSTED. IT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT WAS GOING TO BE DONE. WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT GETS DONE. SO THERE'S NO IMPACT DOWN THROUGH THERE. I THINK IT, IT, IT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT WE JUST SHOWED ON THE PLAN, BUT, UH, A DOUBLE CHECK THAT IT, IT GETS MOVED. SO. APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. YEAH. AND IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, THERE'S A QUESTION. COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLY, UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR DYLAN ABOUT ITEM SIX. SO IS SB 7 49, IS THAT ONLY APPLICABLE IF THE MOBILE HOME PARK INTENDS TO CLOSE THE DOORS? UH, MEANING EVICT, ALL RESIDENTS SELL THE LAND. SO AS IN THE OWNERS ARE NOT LOOKING TO SELL THE BUSINESS TO ANOTHER PARK, THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE JUST GOING TO COMPLETELY SHUT IT DOWN. CORRECT. CESSATION OF USE, UH, CLOSING THE PARK AND I BELIEVE THERE'S ANOTHER ONE, BUT ESSENTIALLY YOU'RE RIGHT MM-HMM . OKAY. SO IF THEY WERE INTENDING TO SELL IT TO ANOTHER, UM, BUSINESS OWNER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT, I'M, WHAT I'M SAYING IS THIS DOESN'T GIVE GOVERNMENT ENTITIES OR NGOS FIRST RIGHT. OF REFUSAL, BASICALLY. RIGHT. ONLY IF THEY'RE SHUTTING DOWN THE PARK. IF THEY WANTED TO SELL TO ANOTHER ONE, SUBJECT TO THOSE EXISTING LEASES, THAT WOULD BE OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . AND THEN, UM, I HAVE A QUESTION ON ITEM SEVEN. UH, THE TOPICS FOR THE NEXT S-C-M-C-A MEETING THAT PETALUMA HOLDING, UM, I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT AG PROTECTIONS IS ON THE LIST. UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S A GREAT STEP FORWARD. AND, YOU KNOW, I'D OBVIOUSLY, I'D LIKE THAT TO BE AS GREAT A PRESENTATION AS POSSIBLE. SO I'M WONDERING WHAT, WHAT WILL STAFF DO TO PREPARE THAT PRESENTATION AND, AND WHAT WILL BE THE, THE INTENDED OUTCOME FOR THAT? [01:00:01] I DON'T THINK STAFF IS PREPARING A PRESENTATION COUNCIL MEMBER DELEY. I THINK AT THIS POINT IT JUST NEEDS TO BE TALKED ABOUT AT THE MCA AND, AND FOLKS ARE GONNA VOTE ON WHAT THOSE TOP THREE ITEMS, THREE TO FIVE ITEMS ARE. RIGHT. AND IF I COULD HELP FILL IN FROM THE MAYOR'S POINT, UM, THE SONOMA COUNTY COUNCILS AND MAYORS AND COUNCIL MEMBERS ASSOCIATION HAS, UM, THIS ITEM HAS ASKED FOR WHAT ARE THE TOP TOPICS TO LIAISON WITH THE COUNTY MORE FORCEFULLY THAN PREVIOUSLY. AND, UM, THIS MEETING WILL BE TO, FOR ALL THE MAYORS WHO ARE, WHO FORMED THE BOARD OF THIS ORGANIZATION TO DISCUSS THAT. AND, UM, SO WE WILL BE HAVING A FORUM THERE FOR THE MAYORS TO, TO DISCUSS THAT. THERE'S NO PARTICULAR PRESENTATION THAT I PREPARED PRESENTATION THAT I KNOW OF EACH MAYOR IS, UH, UH, ASKED TO BRING WHAT THEIR COUNCIL HAS DIRECTED THEM TO FOCUS ON. MM-HMM . OKAY. SO THEN MAYORS WILL BE PICKING THE TOP VIEW FROM THOSE. YEAH. YEAH. AND, AND TRYING TO SEE WHERE ACHIEVEMENT AND, AND, UH, COLLABORATION WITH THE COUNTY CAN BE. OKAY. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. OKAY. AND, UH, WITH THAT WE OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE, UH, ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR, AND DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR? WE DID RECEIVE TWO COMMENTS ON ITEM NUMBER EIGHT AHEAD OF THE MEETING, AND THAT'S POSTED ONLINE. WE DO HAVE SOME CARDS, BUT NOW IS THE MOMENT TO BRING ANY ADDITIONAL CARDS. LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE ONE ON THE WAY. TIM, ARE YOU PLENTY TO SPEAK ? IT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOW YOUR OPPORTUNITY AND WE HAVE, UM, SIX AND SO, UH, TIM PORTUS, UH, IS FIRST AND NICK HARRIS IS SECOND. THIS IS GONNA BE FOR NUMBER EIGHT. AND I KNOW THAT, UH, EACH OF YOU HAVE A REASON TO GO AHEAD AND BRING IT UP AND MAKE IT WORK. YOU GUYS CAN DO THAT. THOSE OF US THAT SIT HERE AND LOOK AT YOU AND HOPE WE ALSO KNOW THAT YOU'VE GOT A LOT, JUST PLEASE TRY TO, TRY TO KEEP THE FOCUS ON THE PEOPLE THAT MAY NOT BE ABLE TO REMAIN FROM THAT LONG, BECAUSE TIMES IS SHORT FOR ALL OF US. THOSE OF US THAT ARE YOUNG MUST BE NICE. I HAVE FORGOTTEN, BUT HERE WE LOOK TO YOU GUYS TO LEAD AND THANK YOU FOR IT. THANK YOU NICHOLAS HARRIS TO BE FOLLOWED BY OLA FRY. HI, GOOD EVENING. MY, UH, COMMENT IS ON NUMBER SIX. IT'S THE FUNDING FOR THE PAVING, UH, THE SB ONE, WHICH IS THE GAS TAX, UH, FUNDING. UM, WHAT CAUGHT MY EYE WAS THE ESTIMATED USEFUL LIFE 20 YEARS. UH, AND THAT'S FOR THE ROAD REHABILITATION, UH, PORTIONS OF THE WORK. UH, I FLIPPED THROUGH THE FIVE-YEAR PAVING PLAN, UH, FROM LAST NOVEMBER. UM, AND ALL OF THE PAVING PROJECTS APPEAR TO BE ROAD REHABILITATION AND LESSER INTENSIVE PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE. MY CONCERN, UH, AS IT USUALLY IS WHEN I'M UP HERE, UH, COMMENTING IS, UH, MEASURE U UH, FUNDING. UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE MEASURE U ROADWORK FUNDING IS ALL COMING FROM 30 YEAR, UH, BONDS THAT THE CITY SOLD TO FUND THAT WORK. AND MY CONCERN IS THAT WE'RE, UH, FINANCING 20 YEAR, UH, ESTIMATED USEFUL LIFE ROAD PROJECTS WITH 30 YEAR FINANCING. UH, IF I'M CORRECT, IT DOESN'T SEEM PRUDENT AND I'D APPRECIATE SOME COMMENT, UM, OR CLARIFICATION IF WARRANTED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NICOLA FRY TO BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, UM, MELANIE. BED SLOW. MELANIE IS SEATING ME HER TIME. OKAY. UM, I'M ON NUMBER EIGHT. UH, MY NAME IS NICOLA FRY AND I'M A PROUD RESIDENT OF MOBILE HOME PARK RIGHT HERE IN PETALUMA. I'M THE CHAIR OF THE SENIOR ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND I'M ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR REBUILDING TOGETHER PETALUMA. IN ADDITION, I'M ON THE CITY, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL AS A CONSULTANT TWO AND A MEMBER OF THE GROUP OF PETALUMA MOBILE RESIDENTS UNITED. [01:05:01] I'M HERE TONIGHT TO RESPECTFULLY URGE YOU, THE COUNCIL TO SUPPORT THE SENATE BILL 7 49, INTRODUCED BY SENATOR BEN ALLEN, THE BILL THAT DIRECTLY IMPACTS PEOPLE LIKE ME, MY NEIGHBORS, AND OTHER MOBILE HOME RESIDENTS OF PETALUMA AND THOUSANDS OF MOBILE HOME RESIDENTS ACROSS THE STATE. MOBILE HOME PARKS ARE ONE OF THE LAST TRULY AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTIONS IN OUR CITY. THEY PROVIDE STABLE HOMES FOR SENIORS, FAMILIES, VETERANS, AND INDIVIDUALS LIVING WITH DISABILITIES. AND I LIVE THERE. WE ARE A LONG TIME RESIDENTS. WE ARE PEOPLE WHO VOLUNTEER, WHO VOTE AND SHOP LOCAL. WE ARE CAREGIVERS AND WORKERS, AND WE ARE THOSE WHO RAISE THEIR FAMILIES HERE. WE ARE DEEPLY ROOTED IN THIS COMMUNITY AND COMMITTED TO STAYING SB 7 49 WOULD GIVE US A FIGHTING CHANCE TO DO JUST THAT. THIS BILL ESTABLISH A RIGHT OF FIRST REFUSAL, ALLOWING THE RESIDENTS, NONPROFITS, AND PUBLIC AGENCIES TO STEP IN AND ATTEMPT TO PURCHASE A PARK WHEN THE OWNER CHOOSES TO CLOSE OR SELL IT. IT ALSO REQUIRES IMPROVED NOTICE AND TRANSPARENCY, GIVING US TIME TO ORGANIZE, EXPLORE OPTIONS, AND AVOID THE TRAUMA OF FORCED DISPLACEMENT. THIS IS NOT A DISTANT OR HYPOTHETICAL CONCERN HERE IN PETALUMA PETALUMA. I KNOW RESIDENTS WHO LIVE IN THE TWO MOBILE HOME PARKS, WHICH HAVE RECENTLY FACED THE THREAT OF CLOSURE DIRECTLY IMPACTING HUNDREDS OF PETALUMA RESIDENTS. SOME OF THEM ARE MY FRIENDS AND MY NEIGHBORS. IF, IF SB 7 49 HAD BEEN LAW, NOW, THOSE COMMUNITIES WOULD'VE HAD A FAIR OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLORE FOR IT PRESERVATION RATHER THAN FACING THE LOOMING RISK OF LOSING EVERYTHING. I CAN TELL YOU FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, LIVING IN A MOBILE HOME PARK BRINGS COMMUNITY PRIDE AND SECURITY, BUT IT ALSO COMES WITH A DEEP SENSE OF VULNERABILITY BECAUSE WE OWN OUR HOMES, BUT NOT THE LAND BENEATH THEM. WE LIVE WITH A CONSTANT FEAR THAT A DECISION WE DON'T CONTROL WOULD TAKE AWAY THE ROOF OVER OUR HEADS. SB 7 49 OFFERS SOMETHING WE DESPERATELY NEED A PATHWAY TO PRESERVATION. IT GIVES RESIDENTS LIKE ME AND THOSE I LIVE ALONGSIDE A SEAT AT THE TABLE WHEN DECISIONS ARE MADE ABOUT OUR FUTURE. AND IT GIVES LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND NONPROFITS LIKE REBUILDING TOGETHER PETALUMA THE TOOLS TO HELP KEEP SENIORS, VETERANS, DISABLED, AND FAMILIES SAFE AND HEALTHY. AND IN OUR HOMES, PENAL IS ESSENTIALLY WELL POSITIONED TO BENEFIT FROM THIS LEGISLATION. WE HAVE STRONG RESIDENT ASSOCIATIONS, WE HAVE PASSIONATE LOCAL NONPROFITS, AND WE HAVE A CITY GOVERNMENT THAT UNDERSTANDS THE VALUE OF PROTECTING OUR MOST VULNERABLE RESIDENTS. SUPPORTING SB 7 49 ALIGNS PERFECTLY WITH PETALUMA'S LONGSTANDING COMMITMENTS, COMMITMENTS TO EQUITY, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND COMMUNITY RESILIENCE. THIS BILL IS ABOUT PROTECTING HOMES, YES, BUT IT'S ALSO PROTECTING THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE WITH THEM LIKE MYSELF. IT IS ABOUT GIVING US THOSE WHO VOTE FOR YOU, YOUR NEIGHBORS, YOUR FELLOW PETALUMA'S, THE CHANCE TO SAY IN THE COMMUNITIES WE LOVE. SO TONIGHT I ASK THIS COUNCIL TO FORMALLY SUPPORT SB 7 49 AND TO COMMUNICATE THAT SUPPORT TO OUR STATE LEGISLATURES AND RELEVANT COMMITTEES. LET'S SHOW THAT PETALUMA STANDS WITH ITS MOBILE HOME RESIDENTS AND STANDS FOR HOUSING STABILITY, DIGNITY AND JUSTICE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. AND I'D LIKE TO MAKE MAYBE JUST TWO POINTS. UM, ONE IS THAT THE SPEAKER BEFORE YOU HAS DONE A GREAT JOB EXPRESSING YOUR POSITION. IT'S OKAY TO SUMMARIZE BY SAYING THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I MEANT. THANK YOU. AND NOT NEED NEEDING TO USE THE FULL THREE MINUTES IF YOU DON'T WISH. AND THEN THE SECOND POINT IS THAT THIS IS THE CONSENT CALENDAR, AND IT IS GENERALLY ASSUMED THAT IF WE HAVEN'T PULLED IT, WE'LL CONSENT TO IT AND WE'LL VOTE ALL AS ONE PACKAGE. THAT'S WHY WE SEE AN ITEM PULLED IF SOMEONE WANTS TO VOTE NO ON THAT ITEM. SO OUR CONTINUING SPEAKERS ARE JODI, UH, JOHNSON NEXT AND JANICE BARKER TO FOLLOW TONIGHT. OUR PETALUMA MOBILE PARK RESIDENTS STAND IN SUPPORT OF SB 49. AS MEMBERS OF G-S-M-O-L, WE HAVE MANY MEMBERS IN PETALUMA. WE ALSO STAND IN SUPPORT OF SB SENATE BILL 7 49. WHY DOES THIS MATTER? IN 2020 IN A SECRET DEAL, YOUNGSTOWN MOBILE PARK WAS SOLD TO OUR NEW BREED OF MOBILE PARK OWNERS. LARGE INVESTMENT GROUPS, RESIDENTS HAD NO IDEA. NEW OWNERSHIP WAS TAKING OVER LESS THAN FOUR MONTHS LATER, THE FIRST OF TWO ARBITRATIONS TOOK PLACE, FOLLOWED BY ONE RETALIATION AFTER THE OTHER. CAPRI MOBILE VILLA SUFFERED THE SAME WAY, [01:10:01] A SECRET DEAL FROM A LARGE INVESTMENT GROUP THAT SAID, WE, WE WANNA GET OUT OF PETALUMA. UM, THE CITY COUNCIL IS TOO HORRIBLE WITH THEIR PROTECTIONS AND THEN ENDED UP GOING AND BUYING CAPRI VILLA IN A SECRET DEAL. AND THEN THOSE SAME BAD ACTORS IMMEDIATELY ENTERED INTO AN ARBITRATION AGAINST CAPRI. THIS COULD EASILY, EASILY HAVE BEEN PREVENTED IF RESIDENTS HAD THE OPTION OF HAS, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER ASKED, UM, UM, TO CARLY, THIS IS THE VERY BEGINNING OF OUR PATH TO FIRST RIGHT OF REFUSAL. UM, AND THIS SENATE BILL WILL CULMINATE INTO VARIOUS OTHER SENATE BILLS AND ASSEMBLY BILLS, BUT IT COULD HELP US WITH INCLUDING MOBILE SHIP PARK OWNERSHIP WITH OUR CONSULTANTS TO ENSURE OUR MOBILE HOMES, WHICH WE OWN ARE PROTECTED. WE HAVE TO CONTINUALLY SEEK A PATH FORWARD WHERE RESIDENTS HAVE SOME CONTROL OVER THEIR MOBILE HOMES BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL IN THESE LARGE INVESTMENT GROUPS. WE HOPE YOU'LL PASS THIS RESOLUTION BY SENATOR BEN ALLEN. IT WAS THOUGHTFULLY PUT FORTH AS WELL AS 12 OTHER BILLS. NOW IN THE STATE CAPITOL THAT ARE ON BEHALF OF MOBILE HOME RESIDENTS, WE MOST DEFINITELY SUPPORT SB 7 49. THANK YOU JANICE BARK TO BE FOLLOWED BY PATRICK MCDONALD. I THINK MY COMMENTS HAVE BEEN HEARD. THANK YOU, . THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. PATRICK MCDONALD FROM, UH, TO BE FOLLOWED BY CATHERINE BOBOWSKI. GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR. COUNSEL, UH, PATRICK MCDONALD. I'M THE HOUSING TEAM SUPERVISOR AT LEGAL AID OF SONOMA COUNTY. THINK THE EXCELLENT ADVOCATES BEFORE ME ON ITEM NUMBER EIGHT HAVE SAID, UM, ALL OF THE SUBSTANCE THAT I WOULD'VE OTHERWISE PROVIDED. AND THE ONLY THING THAT I'LL ADD IS THAT I'M ON QUITE A FEW MEETINGS WITH STATEWIDE ADVOCATES ABOUT SB 7 49. AND THERE IS GENERAL AGREEMENT AROUND THE STATE FOR THOSE WHO UNDERSTAND THE STRUGGLES THAT PETALUMA AND PETALUMA'S MOBILE HOME RESIDENTS HAVE HAD, THAT THERE IS BASICALLY NO COMMUNITY WITH AS GOOD OF SYNERGY BETWEEN THE CITY OFFICIALS, THE NONPROFIT COMMUNITY, AND PETALUMA RESIDENTS. UM, UH, THERE'S NO CITY LIKE IT, UH, IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA. AND THEREFORE THERE'S NO CITY THAT IS AS READY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF SB 7 49, WERE IT TO PASS THAN IS THE CITY OF PETALUMA TO ENSURE THAT RESIDENTS HAVE AGENCY IN TRYING TO PROTECT THEIR PARKS FROM CLOSURE AND BE ABLE TO OWN THE GROUND UNDERNEATH THEIR FEET. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CATHERINE GRABOWSKI? YES, IT'S REGARDING NUMBER EIGHT. I, UH, DEMAND THAT YOU SUPPORT THIS SB 7 49 FROM THESE CROOKED LIARS MONEY HUNGRY LANDLORDS OWNERS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE SO DISHONEST AND STOP AND HAVE THE RESIDENTS, UH, KEEP THEIR MOBILE HOMES. LIKE IT IS NOT WHAT THESE OWN CROOKED LANDLORDS AND OWNERS, ESPECIALLY WHEN THESE OWNERS LIKE HARMONY DOES NOT HAVE A PROPER PERMIT, OPERATING PERMIT, DOES NOT HAVE A PROPER OPERATING LICENSE, STOP ALLOWING THESE OWNERS, BREAKING THE LAWS, HELP THE RESIDENTS SAVE THEIR MOBILE HOMES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND THAT CLOSES PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR FOR THE EVENING. BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL NOW. COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE, I'LL MOVE ITEMS, UH, ONE THROUGH NINE. THANK YOU. AND I'LL SECOND WE HAVE A SECOND FROM THE VICE MAYOR AND WITH NO FURTHER COMMENT, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE OUR ROLL CALL VOTE BARNACLE. AYE. MCCURLEY? YES. NOW YES. TRIPS? YES. QUINT. YES. MCDONALD? YES. MOTION CARRIES. SORRY ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THAT'LL MOVE US TO OUR NEXT ITEM. AND IF, UH, ANYONE WANTS TO LEAVE, I'LL TAKE A DEEP BREATH WHILE WE MOVE [10. Recommendation to Receive an Update on the Trestle Rehabilitation Project (C16502022), Including Design Alternatives, and to Provide Feedback on Next Steps] INTO OUR WORKSHOP. AND OUR WORKSHOP IS TO A RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AN UPDATE ON THE TRESTLE REHAB PROJECT. I FORGOT A LITTLE WHILE AGO, ZERO ZERO JUST STARTED [01:15:22] KIND OF A, I ALREADY HAVING A BREAK WHETHER HE WANTS ONE OR NOT. AND TO HELP US WITH, UH, TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION, WE HAVE, UH, STEVE WORRELL, OUR DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES. WELCOME, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR CITY COUNCIL AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE TRESTLE, WHICH IF LAST WEEK'S BUDGET PRESENTATION WAS ANY PREVIEW IS A PRETTY, UH, EXCITED OPTION. SO HERE WITH ME IS GINA BI, GINA BI NIK, THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS. AND WE HAVE A LARGE TEAM FROM BOTH ENVIRONMENT AND INFRASTRUCTURE FROM ZACH LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE AND FROM AREA WEST ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANTS. SO AS WE WORK THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, WE'VE GOT EXPERTS TO ANSWER ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS. SO TONIGHT WE WILL GO THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND AND HISTORY AND EXISTING CONDITIONS FOR THE TRESTLE AND PROVIDE A BACKGROUND ON THE PROJECT WHERE WE'RE AT AT THIS STAGE AND WHERE WE'RE PLANNING TO GO. NEXT, WE'LL ADDRESS THE CLIMATE RESILIENCY AND SEA LEVEL RISE, UH, NEXUS WITH THE TRESTLE. AND THEN WE'LL SHIFT GEARS AND TALK ABOUT THE 2013 DESIGN AND THE PROPOSED CONCEPT OPTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PREPARED BY THE TEAM WITH BOTH. WE'LL WRAP UP BY COVERING FUNDING AND IMPLEMENT IMPLEMENTATION CHALLENGES WITH THE PROJECT AND THEN DISCUSS ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. SO, AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE GOALS TONIGHT, WE'LL DIG DEEP INTO THE PROJECT UPDATE AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON IN THE LAST YEAR OR SO SINCE BOTH HAS BEEN BROUGHT ON BOARD. REVIEW THE DESIGN OPTIONS, PUT FORWARD TONIGHT, DISCUSS PRELIMINARY COST CONSIDERATIONS, AND THEN REQUEST COUNCIL FEEDBACK ON THE COUNCIL'S PREFERRED DESIGN. SO FOR A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORICAL CONTEXT, THE PETALUMA TRESTLE WAS ORIGINALLY CONSTRUCTED BY THE PETALUMA AND SANTA ROSA RAILWAY, WHICH WAS ORGANIZED BY JOHN MCNAIR TO CONNECT PETALUMA SANTA ROSA FORESTVILLE AND SEBASTOPOL TO THE PETALUMA RIVER IN SAN FRANCISCO BAY 1920. GP MCNAIR CONSTRUCTED MCNAIR FEED AND SEED COMPANY AND HIS INVOLVEMENT WITH PNSR LED TO THE WEST PETALUMA SPUR AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE TRESTLE TO BETTER SERVE WAREHOUSES ALONG FIRST STREET. THIS PERIOD OVERLAPPED WITH SIGNIFICANT GROWTH IN THE AG INDUSTRY IN PETALUMA, IMPACTED BY THE GREAT DEPRESSION. THE PNSR EVENTUALLY MERGED WITH THE NORTHWESTERN PACIFIC RAILROAD, WHICH ITSELF WAS A PART OF SOUTHERN PACIFIC RAILROAD BARGE SERVICE ENDED ON THE PETALUMA RIVER IN APPROXIMATELY 1959 AND THE LAST FREIGHT RUN ON THE SPUR AND THE TRESTLE WAS IN 1992. AND THIS DIAGRAM GIVES A LITTLE BIT OF A LOOK INTO THE ORIGINAL DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE TRESTLE. [01:20:02] SO AFTER THE RAILROAD OWNERSHIP OVER TIME, THE POINT WE'LL COME BACK TO LATER ON THIS EVENING IS THAT THE PETALUMA TRESTLE IS CURRENTLY UNDER THE OWNERSHIP OF THE SMART LIGHT RAIL TRAIN. PULLING INTO THE ENGINEERING DISCUSSION, I WANTED TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF A PRIMER ON WHAT THE DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE TRESTLE ARE TO FAMILIARIZE OUR, OUR DISCUSSION AS WE WE MOVE INTO THE DETAILS LATER ON. SO THIS COLOR CODED DIAGRAM STEPS US THROUGH. ON THE BOTTOM WE HAVE TIMBER PILES IN RED. THOSE HAVE A BLUE PILE CAP ON TOP. IN GREEN, WE HAVE TWO SETS OF STRINGERS. THESE RUN BOTH PARALLEL TO THE DIRECTION OF TRAVEL AND THEN PERPENDICULAR INTERSPACED WITH RAILROAD TIES. AND THEN IN PURPLE WE HAVE THE DECK PLANKS ON TOP OF THE TRESTLE. FOR THE OVERALL STRUCTURE, THE PILES ARE CATEGORIZED INTO BENTS. THIS IS THE STRETCH OF FIVE PILES SHOWN HERE. NOTE THAT THERE ARE TYPICALLY FIVE, BUT IN SOME CASES THERE ARE BOTH FOUR AND SIX PILES PER BEN. ALSO, AS PART OF, I GUESS TO POINT OUT AS PART OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, THERE ARE FENDER PILES ON THE WATER SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE. THOSE ARE NOT REPRESENTED HERE AND ARE NOT SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA GET INTO IN QUITE AS MUCH DETAIL TONIGHT. HERE WE'RE GONNA STEP THROUGH A FEW EXISTING CONDITIONS, PHOTOS OF THE TRESTLE, REALLY JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT THE CURRENT SEVERITY OF THE DETERIORATION. SO FROM THE THE TOP VIEW ON THE LEFT, WE HAVE IMAGES SHOWING THE RAILS AND THE RAILROAD TIES, AND THEN ON THE RIGHT SOME OF THE DECKING BOARDS THAT ARE CLEARLY BEYOND THEIR SERVICE LIFE. MOVING DOWN TO THE WATERSIDE, THIS IMAGE SHOWS BOTH PILES SUPPORTING THE FLOATING DOCK, WHICH ARE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE TRESTLE AND ARE SEPARATE. AND THEN THE FENDER PILES THAT WERE REALLY MEANT TO PROTECT THE STRUCTURE FROM, UH, BARGES ALONG THE RIVER. LOOKING AT SOME PHOTOS OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE TIMBER PILES AND THE BENT CAPS ABOVE THEM, WE SEE SIGNIFICANT DETERIORATION AND LOSS OF CROSS-SECTIONAL AREA IN MANY OF THE PILES AND EXTENSIVE DETERIORATION FROM MARINE BOARS AND OTHER, UH, WOOD CONSUMING FUNGUS. SO THIS HAS BEEN SEVEN AND 14 ALONG THE TRESTLE, AND THEN FARTHER DOWN, THE ALIGNMENT HAD BEEN 16 AND 24. WE SEE IMAGES THAT REALLY REPLICATE SIMILAR CONDITIONS. YOU'LL ALSO NOTICE IT MIGHT BE HARD TO SEE IN SOME OF THESE PHOTOS. THERE ARE NOTCHES CUT OUT OF THE PILES. THERE'S NOT A GREAT RECORD OF WHY THIS WAS DONE, BUT WHAT IS APPARENT IS THAT THESE NOTCHES HAVE ALLOWED FOR ACCELERATED DETERIORATION WHERE THEY'VE BEEN CUT AS THEY'VE EXPOSED THE INGRAIN OF THE WOOD GOING BACK IN TIME A FEW YEARS, THIS ISN'T THE FIRST TIME THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS HEARD, UH, ABOUT REHABILITATION OF THE TRESTLE. SO WE'LL REFER BACK MANY TIMES TONIGHT TO A 2013 DESIGN THAT WAS COMPLETED, UH, WITH FINAL CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS FOR PLANS AND SPECIFICATIONS AND WAS NOT PROCEEDED TO AND DID, DID NOT CARRY THROUGH TO CONSTRUCTION. SO AT THAT TIME, THE DESIGN WAS REHABILITATION FOCUSED ON THE EXTENT OF DETERIORATION IDENTIFIED IN A SERIES OF WOOD CONDITION ASSESSMENTS. MOST OF THE REHAB WAS FOCUSED ON PILE TREATMENTS TO THE EXISTING TIMBER PILES AND OUTLINED. HERE WE SHOW FOUR OF THE DIFFERENT PILE TREATMENTS PROPOSED BASED ON THE EXTENT OF DEGRADATION FOR THE VARIOUS PILES. SO THE IMAGE HERE SHOWS ONE TYPICAL TREATMENT. THIS IS A FIBERGLASS JACKET ENCASED, UM, ENCASING THE EXISTING TIMBER PILE THAT IS THEN FILLED WITH GROUT ABOVE THE MEAN HIGH, HIGH TIDE WATER LEVEL. ALSO PROPOSED THAT THIS WITH THIS DESIGN REPLACEMENT STEEL HEEL PILES, STEEL CASINGS AROUND EXISTING TIMBER PILES AND THEN HDPE SLEEVES AROUND A FOURTH SET OF PILES. THE DIFFERENT TREATMENTS WERE PROPOSED BASICALLY TO CORRESPOND TO THE VARYING DEGREES OF DEGRADATION. AND AS NOTED, UH, THIS DESIGN [01:25:01] WAS COMPLETED AND SHELVED DUE TO A LACK OF CONSTRUCTION FUNDING TO SUMMARIZE THE EXISTING CONDITION ASSESSMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN CARRIED OUT OVER TIME, THIS TABLE TALKS ABOUT THE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS OF THE STRUCTURE AND PROVIDES TYPICAL OBSERVED CONDITIONS FOR EACH. TO GO INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL, DETAIL, THE TIMBER PILES WHERE CREOSOTE TREATED OUTRE ACROSS SEVERAL CONDITION ASSESSMENTS WERE NOTED TO BE IN FAIR TO POOR CONDITION. THE INTERTIDAL ZONE, WHICH IS WHERE WATER LEVEL CHANGES BETWEEN TIDES, WAS HEAVILY ATTACKED BY MARINE BOARS, WHICH IS TYPICAL. THE FENDER PILES WERE TYPICALLY IN POOR TO BEYOND POOR CONDITION AND HAVE LITTLE, IF ANY REMAINING SERVICE LIFE. THE BENT CAPS WERE IN POOR TO EXCELLENT CONDITION, SO THEY WERE HIGHLY VARIABLE. APPROXIMATELY ONE THIRD OF THOSE BENT CAPS WERE NOTED TO REQUIRE REPLACEMENT WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT DURING CONSTRUCTION MORE WOULD NEED TO BE REPLACED. AS ADDITIONAL UNSEEN, UH, DAMAGE WAS UNCOVERED AND AS NOTED, THERE WAS SIGNIFICANT DETERIORATION AT THE NOTCHES IN THE BENT CAPS. FOR THE STRINGERS, APPROXIMATELY HALF WERE REPLACED IN THE 1960S. THEIR CONDITION RANGED AGAIN VERY BROADLY, FROM FAIR TO EXCELLENT AND GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE ENDS OF THE STRINGERS AT CONNECTION POINTS AND WHERE THEY REST ON THE PILE CAPS WERE AREAS WITH THE WORST DECAY DAMAGE. RAILROAD TIES SIMILAR, SIMILARLY WERE IN POOR TO GOOD CONDITION, AND APPROXIMATELY ONE FOURTH OF THEM WERE NOTED TO HAVE LARGE INTERNAL DECAY VOIDS WHERE THE INSIDE OF THE WOOD HAD LOST SIGNIFICANT LOAD BEARING CAPACITY FROM THIS TABLE, YOU'LL NOTE THAT THE POTENTIALLY SALVAGEABLE ITEMS INCLUDE PILE BENT CAPS AND STRINGERS WITH A GENERAL CONCLUSION BEING THAT TIMBER PILES AND DECK PLANKS ARE BEYOND THEIR, UH, POTENTIAL SERVICE LIFE CONCERNS WITH REUSE OF THESE MEMBERS FOCUSED AROUND THE ENDS OF THE STRUCTURES WHERE NEW CONNECTIONS WOULD BE REQUIRED. A TIMBER MEMBER THAT IS IN GOOD CONDITION, EXCEPT FOR THE ENDS, IS MOST LIKELY ONLY SUITABLE FOR ADAPTIVE REUSE BECAUSE THE END WOULD NEED TO BE REMOVED AND NO LONGER ALLOW SUFFICIENT LENGTH FOR THAT MEMBER. SO FAST FORWARD TO TODAY, WE RESTARTED THIS PROJECT IN EARNEST LAST SUMMER WHEN THIS COUNCIL PRIORITIZED THE TRESTLE AND PROPOSED THAT ADDITIONAL DESIGN FUNDING BE ALLOCATED IN THE FISCAL 24 25 BUDGET. AT THAT POINT, THE CITY TEAM HAD SOLICITED MULTIPLE PROJECT PROPOSALS THAT INCLUDED A RANGE OF DIFFERENT DESIGN TASKS, INCLUDING UPDATING THE PRIOR DESIGN. UH, THE SELECTED CONSULTANT PROPOSED A WIDER VARIETY OF CONDITION ASSESSMENT, OR PARDON ME, A WIDER VARIETY OF ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS TO TAKE A FRESH LOOK AT WHAT WAS POSSIBLE FOR THE, THE REHABILITATION. AND WE ALSO INQUIRED WITH FIRMS THAT WOULD PROPOSE STARTING FROM SCRATCH IN COMPLETING THEIR OWN SUITE OF ASSESSMENTS AND EVALUATIONS BEFORE PROCEEDING TO DESIGN THE CITY STAFF. WERE HAPPY TO SELECT BOTH AND THEIR PROPOSAL TO MOVE FORWARD BASED ON BOTH THE FRESH LOOK WITH AN ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS AND ALSO FO'S PORTFOLIO WITH SIMILAR MARINE AND DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION PROJECTS, PORTS AND HARBORS. AND PARTICULARLY WITH RECENT EXPERIENCE IN THE PETALUMA RIVER FOR THE TURNING BAYS AND DOCK REPLACEMENT. AND THEIR ONGOING SUPPORT OF DREDGING ASSISTANCE BOTH BROUGHT NEW EYES TO THE PROJECT AND INITIATED A COLLABORATIVE PROCESS WITH CITY STAFF TO OUTLINE PROJECT GOALS FOR SUCCESS. ONCE BOTH IS UNDER CONTRACT, ONE OF THEIR FIRST TASKS WAS TO PREPARE A BASIS OF DESIGN TO DEFINE THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PROJECT. THAT INCLUDES A WITCH, A WIDTH THAT MATCHES THE 17 FOOT WIDE EXISTING TRESTLE, A TOP OF TRESTLE ELEVATION AT 13 AND A HALF FEET ABOVE SEA LEVEL. THE DESIGN WILL NOT SUPPORT ACTIVE RAILWAY TRACKS OR VEHICLE LOADING. THE FINAL STRUCTURE IS EXPECTED TO HAVE A SERVICE LIFE OF AT LEAST 50 YEARS WILL BE DESIGNED FOR SEISMIC DESIGN, CATEGORY D FOR LATERAL LOADING AND IS DESIGNED FOR CROWDED CONDITIONS DURING EVENTS. THE OVERALL PROJECT SCOPE WAS SPLIT INTO TWO GENERAL PHASES, FOCUSING FIRST ON THE STRUCTURE, WHICH IS WHERE WE ARE DISCUSSING TONIGHT, AND THEN SEPARATELY ON THE URBAN DESIGN COMPONENT FOR LANDSIDE IMPROVEMENTS FOR A A PROMENADE TO TIE THE STRUCTURE INTO THE EXISTING DOWNTOWN. THE [01:30:01] INTENT OF SPLITTING THE PROJECT THIS WAY WAS TO MORE CLEARLY DEFINE THE STRUCTURAL SCOPE BEFORE PROCEEDING WITH THE ASSOCIATED LANDSCAPE AND URBAN DESIGN. THIS EVENING, WE ARE NOW AT THE POINT WHERE IT'S TIME TO MAKE A DECISION ON THE PREFERRED STRUCTURAL OPTION. SO THE DETAILED DESIGN OF THAT STRUCTURE CAN PROCEED AND WE CAN MAKE SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS ON THE URBAN DESIGN INTEGRATION AND FUTURE PERMITTING PHASES. ONE BIG TOPIC FOR THIS PROJECT IS THE CLIMATE RESILIENCY AND IMPACTS OF POTENTIAL SEA LEVEL RISE ON THE TRESTLE. IN SHORT, WE EXPECT THAT OVER THE NEXT 50 TO 75 YEARS OF THE LIFE OF THIS STRUCTURE, THERE WILL BE CHANGES IN THE PETALUMA RIVER FROM RISING SEA LEVEL IN SAN FRANCISCO BAY AND SAN PABLO BAY. BETWEEN 2022 AND 23, THE CITY UNDERSTOOD A LOT MORE ABOUT THAT FUTURE SEA LEVEL RISE THROUGH IN-DEPTH STUDY AND MODELING OF STORM AND TIDAL IMPACTS PACKS. THAT EVALUATION INFORMED THE DESIGN OF THE TRESTLE REHABILITATION AND LED US TO A CONCLUSION THAT RATHER THAN IN EXPAND THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT TO INCLUDE FLOOD ADAPTATION OR MITIGATION, WE WOULD DESIGN THE STRUCTURE TO RESIST SUBMERGENCE DURING KING TIDE CONDITIONS AND TO BE RESILIENT TO THE BUOYANT UPLIFT ASSOCIATED WITH HIGHER WATER LEVELS. AS BRIEFLY MENTIONED EARLIER, THE BOTH TEAM RECOMMENDED A VERY CLEAR AND DETAILED LIST OF PROJECT GOALS TO EVALUATE THE ALTERNATIVE OPTIONS AGAINST THESE GOALS WERE SPECIFIC AND MEASURABLE AND WERE IDENTIFIED BASED ON EXISTING CITY GOALS AND PRIORITIZE AND TO OPTIMIZE, UH, POTENTIAL FOR GRANT FUNDING. THE GOALS WERE BROKEN DOWN. EACH GOAL WAS BROKEN DOWN TO SPECIFIC OBJECTIVES, WHICH CAN BE RANKED RANKINGS WERE NOT WEIGHTED ACROSS DIFFERENT CATEGORIES, SO AS NOT TO ASSIGN, UM, MORE PRIORITY FOR ONE GOAL OVER ANOTHER. THE GOALS WERE AS SUCH INTENDED TO BE USED AS DECISION AID. SO FOR RAILROAD HERITAGE AND HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE, THE SPECIFIC OBJECTIVES WERE WHETHER OR NOT THE MATERIALS, AESTHETICS AND GEOMETRY, AND WHETHER THE VIEW FROM THE WATER WAS REMINISCENT OF THE HISTORICAL TRESTLE FOR COST EFFECTIVENESS AND SERVICE LIFE. OF COURSE, THE QUESTION IS WHAT IS THE ESTIMATED CONSTRUCTION COST AND THE ESTIMATED SERVICE LIFE OF THE STRUCTURE FOR ENVIRONMENTAL LEGACY. THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THE PROPOSED PROJECT INCLUDES CLEANUP OF EXISTING CONTAMINATION AND WHETHER THE INSTALLATION METHODS ARE MOST ENVIRONMENTALLY FAVORABLE FOR ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION. THE QUESTION ASKED WAS WHETHER THE STRUCTURE IS COMPATIBLE WITH A MULTI-USE PATHWAY AND PRIMARILY COMES DOWN TO THE DECKING TYPE. AND THEN FOR THE LAST TWO GOALS, COMMUNITY GATHERING PLACE AND DOWNTOWN AND ECONOMIC HUB AND SPACES IN PLACES THAT INSPIRE THE PROJECT TEAM DECIDED THAT THESE ARE MOST APPLICABLE DURING THE URBAN DESIGN AND LANDSCAPE COMPONENT OF THE PROJECT. SO THESE WERE NOT USED UH, IN THE RANKINGS THAT FOLLOW. SO FOR EACH OBJECTIVE OPTIONS WERE COMPARED AGAINST EACH OTHER AND THEN RATED. AND THE RANKING FOR EACH GOAL COMBINES THE OVERALL RANKING ACROSS ALL OBJECTIVES. SO WHEN WE WE GET INTO THE RANKINGS LATER, HOPEFULLY THAT MAKES A LITTLE BIT MORE SENSE. LOOKING AT THE NEW DESIGN CONCEPTS, A RANGE OF OPTIONS WERE CONSIDERED COVERING MATERIAL CHOICE WITH TIMBER, STEEL AND CONCRETE EVALUATED. AND WITH THE PILES AND SUPERSTRUCTURE CONSIDERED SEPARATELY PILES BEING THE BOTTOM SUBSTRUCTURE AND THE SUPERSTRUCTURE BEING THE THE TOP, UH, STRINGERS AND DECKING COST IMPACTS WERE EVALUATED AGAIN IN TERMS OF CONSTRUCTION COST AND EXPECTED SERVICE LIFE. AND THEN A VARIETY OF HISTORIC HISTORICAL AESTHETIC APPROACHES WERE TAKEN WITH THE GEOMETRY AND CONFIGURATION OF THE PILES AND STRUCTURE. INITIAL CONCEPTS WERE PREPARED BASED ON PRELIMINARY STRUCTURAL REQUIREMENTS AND RENDERINGS WERE PREPARED FOR THESE OPTIONS TO HELP IN ILLUSTRATING THE AESTHETIC IMPACTS. THESE INITIAL STRUCTURAL CONCEPTS WERE USED TO DETERMINE APPROXIMATE CONSTRUCTION COSTS ON A PER LINEAR FOOT BASIS. FOR COMPARISON, LOOKING AT SERVICE LIFE CONSIDERATIONS, THE PROJECT TEAM RECOMMENDED A MINIMUM SERVICE LIFE FOR THE SUBSTRUCTURE OF 50 YEARS. THIS IS BOTH TO MAXIMIZE THE CAPITAL INVESTMENT AND TO MINIMIZE LONG-TERM ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT. ESTIMATES IN THIS TABLE DO INCLUDE INDUSTRY STANDARD MAINTENANCE OVER THE LIFE OF OF THE STRUCTURE. SO STEPPING THROUGH THE OPTIONS. [01:35:02] PRESERVATIVE TREATED TIMBER STRUCTURES WERE ESTIMATED TO 30 YEARS. HARDWOOD TIMBER STRUCTURES ARE ESTIMATED TO 50 YEARS. CONCRETE STRUCTURES ARE ESTIMATED TO 50 YEARS. STEEL STRUCTURES WITH A PROTECTIVE COATING AND APPROPRIATE SACRIFICIAL THICKNESS ARE ESTIMATED AT 75 YEARS. AND THEN PROTECTIVE PILE JACKETING OR ENCASEMENT ARE ESTIMATED AT 25 YEARS BASED ON THE AMERICAN SOCIETY OF CIVIL ENGINEERS MANUAL OF PRACTICE NUMBER ONE 30 FOR WATERFRONT WATERFRONT FACILITIES AND INSPECTION. I WILL NOTE THAT FOR THE 2013 DESIGN REHABILITATION OPTION, THE SERVICE LIFE ESTIMATE WAS APPROXIMATELY 20 TO 30 YEARS BASED ON THE FACT THAT THAT STRUCTURE INCLUDES A COMBINATION OF MATERIAL VINTAGES AND DIFFERENT REPAIRS OVER TIME, MAKING AN EXACT SERVICE LIFE ESTIMATE. VERY HARD TO PREDICT. SO LOOKING INTO A REVIEW OF THE 2013 DESIGN, THIS RENDERING SHOWS ESSENTIALLY WHAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS AT THAT TIME. NOTE THAT THE HAND RAILINGS ARE GENERIC AND ARE SHOWN ACROSS ALL OPTIONS BUT ARE NOT PART OF THE PROJECT SCOPE AT THIS TIME. FOR THIS OPTION, THE TRAIN RAILS REMAIN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TRACK, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WALKWAY, POTENTIALLY CONFLICTING WITH ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION USES. AND YOU'LL NOTE IN THIS SLIDE THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT PILE TREATMENTS ILLUSTRATED, WHICH WE'LL WALK THROUGH IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL IN THE NEXT SLIDE, IN THE NEXT NEXT SLIDE. SO AS A SUMMARY OF THE 2013 DESIGN, THE STRUCTURE INCLUDES TIMBER PILES WITH DIFFERENT WRAPS AND TREATMENTS, FOUR TO FIVE PILES PER BENT AT A 10 TO 15 FOOT SPACING PILE. CAPS AND STRINGERS ARE BOTH TIMBER, THE DECKING IS TIMBER. OBVIOUSLY THE, THIS OPTION INCLUDES THE POTENTIAL FOR MATERIAL REUSE AND THE ESTIMATED COST PER LINEAR FOOT IS APPROXIMATELY $6,700. AND WE'LL NOTE AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE COST ESTIMATES THAT THE COMPARATIVE COST PER LINEAR FOOT IS NOT INTENDED TO BE A TOTAL PROJECT COST. THIS IS FOR COMPARING ACROSS OPTIONS AND IS AN ESTIMATE FOR THE MATERIALS AND CONSTRUCTION FOR THAT OPTION. THIS COST ESTIMATE IN PARTICULAR WAS CHALLENGING TO REALLY NAIL DOWN. UH, IT WAS REACHED BY BEGINNING WITH THE 2013 ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE OF PROBABLE CONSTRUCTION COST ESCALATING TO CURRENT DOLLARS BASED ON CHANGES IN THE CONSTRUCTION COST INDEX AND ALSO INCLUDE ADDITIONAL DETERIORATION REPRESENTATIVE OF THE LAST 12 YEARS. THERE ARE ALSO LARGE CONCERNS WITH THE UNKNOWN CONDITIONS FOR THIS DESIGN. THE DESIGN DOCUMENTS HAD AN ASSUMED AMOUNT OF REPLACEMENT FOR BIDDING PURPOSES, BUT MUCH OF THIS WOULD'VE BEEN DETERMINED DURING CONSTRUCTION. ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT I SEE AS A DESIGN ENGINEER WITH THIS OPTION IS THAT IS VERY HARD TO CONSTRAIN COSTS. ESSENTIALLY AS THIS PROJECT AS ENVISIONED KICKS OFF, THERE WOULD BE AN UNEARTHING PHASE WHERE MORE DETERIORATION IS DETERMINED AND LARGE CHANGE ORDERS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT ONCE CONSTRUCTION IS ALREADY COMMITTED. SO LOOKING AT THE WATERSIDE RENDERING OF THE 2013 DESIGN, WE CAN SEE SOME OF THE DIFFERENCES IN PILE TREATMENTS. SO WE'LL NOTE THAT FOR THIS RENDERING, THE DESIGN TEAM DID TAKE THE TREATMENTS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THE CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS AND BASICALLY DID THEIR BEST TO ESTIMATE WHERE ACROSS THE TRESTLE STRUCTURE THOSE DIFFERENT TREATMENTS WOULD BE IN PLACE. SO WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS IN SOME CASES EXISTING TIMBER MEMBERS THAT ARE GIVEN AN HDPE WRAP, EXISTING TIMBER MEMBERS THAT ARE GIVEN AN FRP JACKET AND ENCASED IN GROUT TO DIFFERENT HEIGHTS. SO THE NOTE ABOUT THE THE HEIGHT DISCREPANCY IS THAT IN MANY CASES THE DESIGN CALLED FOR GROUTING UP TO THE MEAN HIGH HIGH WATER LEVEL EXCEPT FOR TIMBERS THAT HAD ADDITIONAL LOSS OF CROSS-SECTIONAL AREA ABOVE THE MEAN HIGH TIDE LINE, IN WHICH CASE THE JACKET WOULD BE INCONSISTENT. YOU ALSO SEE BOLTED STEEL, UH, HELICAL PILES AND OR BOLTED STEEL CASINGS AND THEN ALSO STEEL PIPE PILES WITH TIMBER EXTENSIONS. SO FOR THE, THE GOAL RANKING FOR THIS OPTION, THE RAILROAD AND RAILROAD HERITAGE AND HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE WAS RANKED THREE OUT OF NINE. I RECOGNIZE THAT'S PERHAPS CHALLENGING, BUT THE DESIGN TEAM FELT THAT THE INCLUSION OF H-D-P-E-F-R-P AND THE STEEL CABLE TIES ON DIAGONAL BRACING SIGNIFICANTLY DEVIATED FROM THE ORIGINAL AL TIMBER CONSTRUCTION [01:40:02] CAPITAL CONSTRUCTION COST RANKED HIGHEST FOR THIS OPTION. MY NOTE THERE IS THAT IT WAS WITHIN 10 OR 15% OF THE COST PER LINEAR FOOT OF MANY OF THE OTHER OPTIONS WITH A SERVICE LIFE THAT RANKED LAST AT LIKELY LESS THAN HALF OF, UH, THE NEW THE OTHER OPTIONS CONSIDERED. THE ENVIRONMENTAL LEGACY RANKING FOR THIS OPTION WAS THE WORST THREE OUT OF THREE. THAT WAS DUE TO THE FACT THAT THIS OPTION LEAVES CREOSOTE PRESERVATIVE TREATED PILES IN THE WATER COLUMN. AND THIS OPTION ALSO RANKED WORST THREE OUT OF THREE FOR ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION DUE TO THE PRESENCE OF THE HISTORIC RAILS AND THE POTENTIAL CONFLICTS WITH WID VEHICLE TRANSIT. SO TO, TO EXPLAIN THE RANKING TABLES, THERE WERE EIGHT OPTIONS CONSIDERED BY THE DESIGN TEAM, INCLUDING THE THE A NINTH FOR THE 2013 OPTION. IN CASES WHERE THOSE OPTIONS WERE SIGNIFICANTLY TIED OR WERE NOT DIFFERENTIATED ACROSS DIFFERENT GOALS, WE CUT THAT DENOMINATOR OR NOT DOWN. SO INSTEAD OF ONE OUT OF NINE OR ONE OUT OF FOUR, WE WERE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, FOUR OPTIONS INSTEAD OF NINE. HOPE THAT MAKES SENSE. MOVING TO THE FIRST OPTION PRESENTED BY THE DESIGN TEAM, THIS IS AN ALL TIMBER CONSTRUCTION, TIMBER PILES, TIMBER DECKING, AND THE DECKING IS PARALLEL TO ALIGN WITH THE LONG AXIS OF THE TRESTLE. TO SUMMARIZE THE BULLET POINTS OF THIS DESIGN OPTION, 12 INCH DIAMETER TIMBER PILES THREE PILES PER BENT AT 15 FOOT SPACING. SO THIS IS A LITTLE BIT MORE OPEN UNDERNEATH THAN THE ORIGINAL TRESTLE. THAT'S DUE TO THE REDUCED LOADING FOR PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC COMPARED TO THE ORIGINAL, UH, HEAVY TRAIL HEAVY RAIL USE, THERE IS SOME POTENTIAL FOR MATERIAL REUSE WITH THIS OPTION, ALTHOUGH CHALLENGING AND THE ESTIMATED COST PER LINEAR FOOT IS ABOUT $7,800. THE SERVICE LIFE FOR THIS OPTION IS EXPECTED TO BE A MINIMUM OF 50 YEARS FOR HARDWOOD UNTREATED, UH, TIMBER PILES. AND AS YOU'LL SEE IN THE WATERSIDE RENDERING, THIS DESIGN DOES NOT REQUIRE THE STEEL CABLE CROSS BRACING FOR LATERAL LOAD RESISTANCE. SUMMARIZING THE RANKINGS FOR THIS GOAL, RAILROAD HERITAGE AND HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE, THIS WAS RANKED THE HIGHEST BASED ON ITS ALL TIMBER CONSTRUCTION ALIGNED WITH THE ORIGINAL TRESTLE COST EFFECTIVENESS. THIS OPTION RANKED THIRD OUT OF NINE. IT WAS MORE, UH, COST PER LINEAR FOOT THAN REHABILITATION, BUT FOR SERVICE LIFE WE EXPECT 50 YEARS AS OPPOSED TO 20 TO 25. FOR REHABILITATION ENVIRONMENTAL LEGACY, THIS RANKED THE BEST BASED ON WOOD BEING A SUSTAINABLE MATERIAL AND REMOVING ALL OF THE CRE SOTE TREATED TIMBER FROM THE WATER COLUMN. AND THIS OPTION RANKED IN THE MIDDLE FOR ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION DUE TO A MINOR CONFLICT WITH PARALLEL DECKING AND WHEELED VEHICLE TRANSIT OPTIONS ONE AND OPTIONS TWO ARE BOTH PRESENTED HERE SIDE BY SIDE BECAUSE THEY'RE REALLY PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. SO THE ONLY DIFFERENCE FOR OPTION TWO, WE'VE SWITCHED TO PERPENDICULAR DECKING TO INCREASE CONSISTENCY AND USABILITY FOR UM, WHEELED VEHICLES. SO YOU NOTE THAT THIS HAS LESS TIMBER INVOLVED IN THE SUPERSTRUCTURE THAT CORRESPONDS TO A LOWER ESTIMATED CONSTRUCTION COST, BUT OTHERWISE THOSE ARE THE PRIMARY DIFFERENCES BETWEEN OPTIONS ONE AND TWO. MOVING ON TO OPTION THREE, THIS IS A STEEL PIPE PILE, UH, SUBSTRUCTURE WITH A TIMBER STRINGER AND DECKING SUPERSTRUCTURE. SURE. SUMMARIZING OPTION THREE, STILL 12 INCH DIAMETER STEEL PIPE PILES FOR VISUAL CONSISTENCY. TWO PILES PER BENT IN A SLIGHTLY LARGER SPACING BASED ON THE HIGHER CARRYING CAPACITY OF THE STEEL PILE. CAPS AND STRINGERS ARE ALSO HIGH STRENGTH STEEL TUBES. HOLLOW STRUCTURAL STEEL TUBES, PARDON ME. AND THE DECKING TYPE IS A TIMBER PARALLEL SPAN TO ALIGN WITH THE ORIGINAL AESTHETIC ORDER OF MAGNITUDE. COST PER LINEAR FOOT IS APPROXIMATELY $9,000. LOOKING AT THE RANKINGS FOR THIS OPTION, [01:45:01] SLIGHTLY HIGHER ON THE HISTORICAL RAILROAD AND HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE DUE TO SOME ALIGNMENT WITH ORIGINAL GEOMETRY WITH THE USE OF STEEL RATHER THAN WOOD, UH, PILES AND SUBSTRUCTURE. COST-EFFECTIVENESS, THIS RANKED LESS WELL, IT'S ON THE HIGHER SIDE THAT CORRESPONDS TO A QUITE A BIT LONGER SERVICE LIFE AT 75 YEARS FOR THIS SUBSTRUCTURE FOR THIS STEEL WITH THE ABILITY TO REPLACE THE TIMBER DECKING ABOVE OVER TIME. THIS WAS A HIGHER RANKING FOR ENVIRONMENTAL LEGACY DUE TO THE REMOVAL OF THE CSO PILES AND USE OF, UM, LONG SERVICE LIFE MATERIALS AND THEN AGAIN IN THE MIDDLE FOR ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION DUE TO THE USE OF PARALLEL DECKING. AGAIN, OPTION THREE AND FOUR, UH, PRESENTED HERE BECAUSE OF THEIR SIMILARITIES. OPTION FOUR HAS PERPENDICULAR DECKING, AGAIN, JUST TO REDUCE A LITTLE BIT OF THE TIMBER AND TO ALIGN WITH ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION FOR THE SAKE OF COMPLETENESS. THE PROJECT TEAM ALSO EVALUATED A NUMBER OF OTHER OPTIONS THAT WE WON'T GO INTO AS MUCH DETAIL AT THIS TIME. THESE INCLUDE LARGER, UH, DIAMETER PILES AT A LAR LONGER SPACING AS WELL AS THE USE OF CONCRETE. THE MAIN QUESTIONS TO BE ASKED WITH THESE ALTERNATIVES WERE WHETHER OR NOT THE COST PER FOOT WOULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER OR WORSE BASED ON A DIFFERENT CONFIGURATION AND DIFFERENT GEOMETRY. GENERALLY SPEAKING, AS THE COSTS WENT UP AND THE AESTHETICS DEVIATED FARTHER FROM THE HISTORICAL TRESTLE, THESE OPTIONS WERE LESS PREFERABLE. MOVING ON TO HOW WE COMPLETE THIS PROJECT, I WANNA TAKE A MOMENT AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT OPTIONS 1, 2, 3, AND FOUR INCLUDE DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING TRESTLE. THE PROJECT TEAM, AFTER EVALUATING THE HISTORICAL CONDITION ASSESSMENTS OVER TIME, FEELS THAT THIS IS THE MOST APPROPRIATE APPROACH GIVEN THE VERY LOW SERVICE LIFE FOR REHABILITATION OF THE EXISTING TIMBERS THAT ARE BEYOND THEIR SERVICE LIFE. TO THAT POINT, WE WANT TO EVALUATE CLEARLY WHAT THE TOTAL DEMOLITION COST FOR THE EXISTING STRUCTURE WOULD BE. SO THE $2.7 MILLION TOTAL COST SHOWN HERE IS A STANDALONE NUMBER THAT COULD BE USED IF ONE WERE TO BE REQUIRED TO REMEDIATE THE EXISTING TRESTLE AS IT IS RIGHT NOW. THIS IS WITHOUT CONSTRUCTION OF A REPLACEMENT STRUCTURE. IN EVALUATING THE TOTAL DEMOLITION COST, THE PROJECT TEAM ALSO LOOKED AT SELECTIVE DEMOLITION, WHICH INCLUDES SALVAGE AND POTENTIAL REUSE OF TIMBER MEMBERS FROM THE ORIGINAL TRESTLE THAT COULD BE REPURPOSED. THAT INCREASED THE TOTAL DEMOLITION COST BY APPROXIMATELY 9%. AND I'LL NOTE THAT THAT NUMBER HAS A LOT OF ASSUMPTIONS BAKED INTO IT, BUT THAT IS REALLY THE, THAT'S WHAT WE COULD ESTIMATE WITH THE INFORMATION WE HAVE AVAILABLE TODAY. THE LAST POINT I'LL RAISE ABOUT THESE OPTIONS IS THAT THEY DO INCLUDE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT TO A CULTURAL RESOURCE. SO A FOCUSED ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT TO MITIGATE AND DISCUSS THAT IMPACT WOULD BE REQUIRED. UH, THIS FOCUSED EIR WOULD LEAD TO MITIGATIONS, WHICH TYPICALLY INCLUDE DOCUMENTING HISTORIC RESOURCE, A FINDING OF OVERRIDING CONSI CONSIDERATIONS RELATED TO COST PROHIBITIVE REHABILITATION, AND OTHER MITIGATIONS AS UH, APPROPRIATE. SO AS WE START TO SUMMARIZE, WE'LL STEP BACK THROUGH THE 2013 DESIGN. THE RANKINGS WERE THREE OUT OF NINE FOR RAILROAD HERITAGE AND HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE, ONE OUT OF NINE FOR COST EFFECTIVENESS. NOTING THAT THIS COST REALLY IS PILE JACKETING AND REPLACEMENT OF SOME MEMBERS AND IS NOT, UH, APPLES TO APPLES WITH NEW CONSTRUCTION. A VERY SHORT SERVICE LIFE OF 20 TO 30 YEARS OR LESS. PROBABLY THE WORST ENVIRONMENTAL LEGACY DUE TO THE FACT THAT CREOSOTE TREATED PILES REMAIN IN THE WATER COLUMN AND THE LEAST CONSISTENCY WITH ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION 'CAUSE THE RAILS WHILE HISTORIC DO CONFLICT WITH ACCESSIBILITY AND WIELD, UH, VEHICLES. [01:50:03] SUMMARIZING AGAIN, UM, THE PROJECT TEAM'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR DESIGN OPTIONS ONE AND THREE. I'LL LEAVE THIS UP FOR REVIEW AND, AND REALLY JUST NOTE THAT AS A REMINDER, THE 2013 DESIGN INCLUDED A COMBINATION OF FIBERGLASS JACKETS, STEEL CASINGS, HDPE SLEEVES AND REPLACEMENT WITH STEEL PIPE PILES AND TIMBER PILE EXTENSIONS. WE WILL NOTE THAT THE COST EFFECTIVENESS RANKING REALLY IS ONLY LOOKING AT CAPITAL COST AND NOT CONSIDERING A COST PER YEAR. UH, IF YOU WERE TO TAKE THE OVERALL CAPITAL COST AND DIVIDE IT BY THE SERVICE LIFE AND REACH A COST PER YEAR DESIGN, OPTION THREE WOULD RANK MORE HIGHLY, UH, FOR COST EFFECTIVENESS OVERALL. AND AS A REMINDER DESIGN OPTION ONE IS THE ALL TIMBER STRUCTURE WITH 12 INCH DIAMETER TIMBER PILES AND DESIGN. OPTION THREE IS 12 INCH DIAMETER STEEL PIPE PILES WITH A STEEL SUBSTRUCTURE AND THEN TIMBER DECKING. THERE ARE ALSO A NUMBER OF CHALLENGES TO DISCUSS WITH THIS PROJECT. RIGHT NOW SMART OWNS THE TRESTLE. SO REGARDLESS OF WHAT DECISION THE CITY PURSUES ON HOW TO REHABILITATE OR RECONSTRUCT, UH, RESOLVING THE OWNERSHIP OF SMART IS SOMETHING THAT WILL NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. THE CITY STAFF CONTINUES TO BELIEVE THAT THE BEST PATH FORWARD FOR SUCCESS INVOLVES A PARTNERSHIP WITH SMART. THE PROJECT TEAM WOULD LIKE CLEAR DIRECTION ON THE PREFERRED DESIGN, AS WELL AS A SUMMARY OF THE DEMOLITION COST ESTIMATES IN NEGOTIATING A FUTURE PARTNERSHIP DEAL WITH SMART. THIS IS ALSO A COMPLEX PROJECT FROM A PERMITTING STANDPOINT WITH NINE DIFFERENT PERMITS ACROSS CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF WILDLIFE STATE LANDS COMMISSION, THE REGIONAL WATER QUALITY CONTROL BOARD, US ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS, THE STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER, AND OTHER JURISDICTIONAL AGENCIES WITH AN EIR PROCESS THAT ADDS APPROXIMATELY 24 MONTHS TO THE OVERALL, UH, DESIGN AND DELIVERY TIMELINE. FINALLY, THERE IS A LARGE FUNDING GAP FOR THIS PROJECT. APPROXIMATELY $500,000 IN ADDITIONAL FUNDING IS REQUIRED BEYOND WHAT WAS UH, BUDGETED FOR THE FISCAL 24 25, UH, CIP. UH, THOSE ADDITIONAL COSTS COVER ADDITIONAL DESIGN WORK FOR UTILITIES AND SURVEYING THAT WAS IDENTIFIED EARLY ON AS A POTENTIALLY REQUIRED SERVICE PERMIT FEES FOR THOSE NINE DIFFERENT PERMITS. DEVELOPMENT OF THE FOCUSED EIR. AND I THINK THAT'S IT ACTUALLY. THERE'S ALSO THE LARGE CHALLENGE OF CONSTRUCTION FUNDING. SO GETTING A SHOVEL READY IS ONE ASPECT OF THIS PROJECT. WITHIN FUNDING THE OVERALL TOTAL PROJECT CONSTRUCTION COST IS SOMETHING THAT THE PROJECT TEAM SEES AS RELATIVELY CHALLENGING AT THIS POINT. GRANT AVAILABILITY IS LIMITED, BUT WE DO EXPECT THAT HAVING A SHOVEL READY PROJECT WILL INCREASE THE CHANCES OF SECURED FUNDING. AT THIS POINT, THERE ARE PROBABLY TOO MANY UNKNOWNS TO DETERMINE A COMPLETE CONSTRUCTION COST ESTIMATE, BUT THE DESIGN TEAM DOES FEEL THAT THE CURRENT BUDGET BOOK ESTIMATE OF APPROXIMATELY $12 MILLION IS AN APPROPRIATE STARTING POINT, HIGHLY DEPENDENT ON THE SCOPE OF LANDSIDE IMPROVEMENTS. SO TAKING A STEP BACK AND LOOKING AT WHERE WE ARE TODAY AND WHERE WE PLAN TO GO. SO WE ARE AT THIS MEETING SEEKING FEEDBACK ON THE DESIGN OPTIONS. THE NEXT BIG PHASE OF THE PROJECT IS THE URBAN DESIGN. SO THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE TEAM IS PREPARED TO START WORK ON THAT SIDE OF THE PROJECT. UH, ONCE WE HAVE SELECTED A DESIGN OPTION, THAT IS A PIECE WHERE WE SEE THE BENEFIT OF LARGE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND EXPECT TO HAVE BOTH COMMUNITY SURVEYS AND COMMUNITY MEETINGS THROUGHOUT THE FALL WITH A SUMMARY OF THAT, UH, FEEDBACK BROUGHT AGAIN TO CITY COUNCIL TOWARDS THE END OF THIS YEAR. AND THEN THE NEXT MAJOR MILESTONE FOR THE PROJECT WOULD BE PERMIT SUBMITTAL IN EARLY 2026. SO TO HONE IN ON THE NEXT STEPS AND REQUESTED FEEDBACK. UH, IDEALLY WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE ONE PREFERRED DESIGN OPTION, UM, , IF THAT'S POSSIBLE. WE WILL THEN BE ABLE TO BEGIN URBAN DESIGN AND THE LANDSIDE, UH, SCOPE OF WORK [01:55:01] FOR THE, THE DOWNTOWN PROMENADE AND HOW THE STRUCTURE TIES INTO THE DOWNTOWN CORE AND ASSOCIATED COMMUNITY OUTREACH. WITH THAT, WE CAN AUTHORIZE AND BEGIN THE FOCUS DIR ASSOCIATED WITH RECONSTRUCTION. AND WITH THAT, I THINK I'M GENERALLY HERE FOR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. UM, LET ME JUST START THE SLIDE YOU'RE SHOWING CURRENTLY. IS THERE A LAG TIME BETWEEN THESE ON HERE? THEY, THEY LOOK STAGGERED. YEAH. WHAT IS THE, IS THERE A BEGIN END RELATIONSHIP TO THESE TASKS? THAT'S RIGHT. SO FOR THE PROPOSED SCHEDULE, THE, THE MAIN LAG PHASE RIGHT NOW IS THAT WE HAVE A SELECTED OPTION. THE DESIGN TEAM CAN CONTINUE ON. SO THEY CAN'T REALLY PROCEED WITH THAT PHASE OF WORK UNTIL WE HAVE PREFERRED OPTION. AND THEN I THINK BEYOND THAT, A LOT OF THE URBAN DESIGN AND FOCUS DIR CAN PROCEED IN PARALLEL ALONG WITH THE FINAL STRUCTURAL DESIGN IN THE EIR IN PARALLEL. THAT'S RIGHT FOR THE MOST PART AS WELL. SO THE 18 TO 24 IS NOT FROM END OF DESIGN OR END OF COMMUNITY OUTREACH, BUT YOU CAN PREP THE DOCUMENTS DURING THE PERIOD CORRECT. WITH SOME CAVEATS. SO IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR US TO COME TOGETHER ON A DESIGN OR TRY TO COME TOGETHER ON A SINGULAR DESIGN AND THEN TRY AND COME TOGETHER ON WHETHER, UM, WE VIEW THIS AS A $500,000 PRIORITY, UM, AT, AT THIS TIME IN THIS, IN THIS FISCAL YEAR, KNOWING THAT THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, UM, ADDED COST THAT'S STILL PRE SHOVEL READY FUNDING THAT WE, WE SEE OUT THERE. SO THE TWO MAIN QUESTIONS I THINK THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DRIVE COUNCIL ATTENTION TO ARE WHICH OF THE DESIGN FITS THIS, ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THE AESTHETIC ISSUES MIGHT BE NOT WHAT'S ON THE TABLE TONIGHT. YEAH. SO I THINK ESPECIALLY THE LAND LANDSIDE URBAN DESIGN, THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR DIRECT FEEDBACK ON. WE'RE, WE'RE CERTAINLY ALL EARS FOR THAT. BUT THAT IS A FUTURE PHASE SCOPE OF DESIGN WORK THAT'S NOT REALLY BEGUN IN EARNEST, BUT THE HISTORIC REFERENCE TO THE BELOW DECK, IT IS INCLUDED. THE AESTHETIC BELOW DECK IS INCLUDED IN TONIGHT'S FEEDBACK TO YOU? YES, PLEASE. OKAY. UM, AND THEN IN THE END, WHETHER WE, UM, HAVE THE PRIORITY, UM, NECESSARY TO FUND FOR THIS. SO JUST TRYING TO SET THAT CONTEXT UP. UM, COUNCIL, UH, WHO HAS QUESTIONS ON THE PRESENTATION? COUNCIL MEMBER SCHIBS? I AM, I AM, UM, AGAIN, FOCUSING ON QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS TIGHTLY. I'LL DO MY BEST TO STATE TWO THE SIMPLE QUESTIONS BEFORE I GET IN COMMENTS. ALRIGHT. UH, FIRST ONE ON THE, UH, THE EIR, DO WE NEED TO DO AN EIR BEFORE THE DEMO, UH, DEMOLITION PART OF IT? OR CAN WE DO THAT AFTERWARDS? UH, CAN WE GET TO THE DEMOLITION WITHOUT AN EIR, UH, AT ALL? YEAH. AND THESE ARE TWO SEPARATE THINGS. EIR FOR THE DEMOLITION, EIR FOR THE CONSTRUCTION. SURE. SO I'LL DEFER TO OUR CONSULTANT FROM AREA WEST IF SHE WANTS TO CHIME IN AS WELL. BUT, UM, GENERALLY YES, WE WOULD'VE TO COMPLETE THE EIR BEFORE DEMOLITION OR DEMOLITION. OKAY. DEMO BEFORE DEMOLITION. THEN YOU WANT, IDEALLY YOU WANT THAT E TO COVER THE DEMOLITION AND CONSTRUCTION. I'LL INTRODUCE MYSELF. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS AMY DEWER SMITH AND I'M ON THE CONSULTANT TEAM WITH AREA WEST ENVIRONMENTAL. SO YES, AN EIR WOULD NEED TO BE DONE BEFORE ANY DEMOLITION ACTIVITIES. 'CAUSE THE MAIN ISSUE FOR THE EIR IS THE DEMOLITION OF A HISTORIC PROPERTY. UM, AND WHAT WE WOULD WANT IS WE WANT THAT EIR TO COVER BOTH THE DEMOLITION AND RECONSTRUCTION PHASES OF THE PROJECT AS A WHOLE. OKAY, GOOD. AND, UH, THE NEXT ONE. OKAY, THIS IS GONNA BE THE BIG ONE. UM, CAN WE CONSIDER A, A COMPLETE, SINCE THE WHOLE THING HAS TO BE REMOVED ANYWAY, TO START WITH, WE'RE GONNA BE STARTING FROM SCRATCH NO MATTER WHAT. UM, CAN WE, AT THIS POINT, SINCE WE'RE GONNA BE REMOVING EVERYTHING PRETTY MUCH A HUNDRED PERCENT, CAN WE CONSIDER A COMPLETE REDO OF THE ENTIRE CONCEPT TO MAKE IT MUCH SMALLER, MUCH MORE FINANCIALLY VIABLE, UM, AND SERVICEABLE AND, UH, TO MAKE IT WITHIN A WORKING, UH, POSSIBILITY RATHER THAN CURRENTLY, WHICH I SEE AS IMPOSSIBLE? SURE. SO IF I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION, I THINK YES, WE, WE COULD, BECAUSE WE COULD CONSIDER ANY OF A NUMBER OF OPTIONS. THE PROJECT TEAM FOCUSED ON THE GEOMETRY, THE PLACE, THE LAYOUT, AND REALLY THE AESTHETIC [02:00:01] OF THE HISTORIC TRESTLE AS PART OF THE REFERENCE BACK TO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE. SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE GOALS WE DECIDED WAS LET'S TRY AND MATCH TO THE EXTENT WE CAN BECAUSE THAT REALLY IS IN LINE WITH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION ASPECT. OKAY. AND NOW WE UNDERSTANDING SOME OF THE, THE COSTS INVOLVED. UM, CAN WE, BEFORE WE PROCEED ANY FURTHER, IS IT POSSIBLE TO RECONSIDER A COMPLETE REDESIGN OF THE WHOLE STRUCTURE SINCE WE'RE REMOVING IT ALL AND BASICALLY STARTING FROM SCRATCH AS FAR AS THE BASIC CONCEPT? COULD WE DO THAT NOW AT THIS POINT? CAN BEFORE I WE ANSWER THAT, CAN I ASK A, A QUESTION JUST TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. ARE YOU TALKING, WHEN YOU SAY A COMPLETE REDESIGN, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE CONFIGURATION, UH, OF, AND THE LAYOUT OF THE STRUCTURE OR YOU YES. I'M, I'M TALKING ABOUT, UH, POSSIBLY REDUCING IT TO ONE THIRD THE SIZE, NOT DOING THE WALKWAY, PUTTING IN STAGING, PUTTING IT, CHANGING THE WHOLE CONCEPT DESIGN OF, OF, BECAUSE I THINK WHAT WAS, WHAT'S BEFORE IS, IS UNTENABLE. SO I'M ASKING YOU, UM, CAN WE SWITCH IT UP NOW AND, AND DO THAT REDESIGN TO MAKE IT MUCH MORE COST EFFECTIVE THAN POSSIBLE? IT IS POSSIBLE TO DO THAT. YEAH. JUST TO SEE IF THIS IS THE RIGHT TIME TO ACTUALLY MAKE THAT DECISION. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER QUINN, WHAT IS THE APPROXIMATE LENGTH? SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO GET TO IS, I MEAN, IT'S GREAT THAT WE HAVE THE COST PER LINEAR FOOT, UM, BUT IT'D BE NICE TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND JUST SORT OF AN ESTIMATED TOTAL PROJECT COST. SURE. SO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE IS ABOUT 500 LINEAR FEET, BUT I DO WANT TO CAUTION THAT THE COST PER FOOT TIMES 500 FEET IS GONNA BE, WELL SHORT OF THE TOTAL PROJECT COST. LIKE THAT REALLY IS IGNORING A LOT OF THE PERMITTING COSTS. THAT'S IGNORING A LOT OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL MITIGATION COSTS. THAT'S IGNORING THE GENERAL CONDITIONS AND MOBILIZATION THAT A CONTRACTOR WOULD CHARGE. THAT'S REALLY JUST MATERIALS AND LABOR WITH THE STRUCTURE ITSELF, THAT ALSO EXCLUDES ANY OF THE LANDSIDE IMPROVEMENTS. SO I, I THINK THAT MATH IS TEMPTING, BUT I WOULD CAUTION THAT IT'S REALLY BETTER TO THINK ABOUT THE COST PER FOOT ON A COMPARATIVE BASIS RATHER THAN FOR TOTAL. GOT IT. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. SO THANK YOU THAT, THAT'S HELPFUL. UM, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO BE ABLE TO, TO UNDERSTAND THE COSTS ON A, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION THE, UH, LIFE SPAN, RIGHT? SO IT'S ONE THING TO, UM, YOU KNOW, OPTION ONE WAS $7,800 PER LINEAR FEE. OPTION THREE IS $8,900 PER LINEAR FEE. ONE GETS YOU WHAT, 30 YEARS? ONE GETS YOU 75 YEARS, 50 AND 75, BUT GOT IT. 50 AND 75. SO, UM, YEAH, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND LIKE HOW MANY YEARS ARE WE BUYING, UM, WITH THE MONEY THAT WE'RE SPENDING AND DOES IT, UM, LASTLY, DOES IT, UM, SPAN, SO, SO I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE MAP AND I WAS TRYING TO PICTURE, SO RIGHT NOW THE TRESTLE ENDS AT THE DRIVEWAY OF THE YACHT CLUB. AND SO, UH, SO IT GOES FROM THE FOOTBRIDGE TO BASICALLY THE DRIVEWAY AT THE YACHT CLUB, RIGHT? MM-HMM . AND SO AT THE, UM, CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT IS IN SORT OF WHAT'S BEEN ENVISIONED THERE? IS IT A DEAD END THERE OR IS IT GONNA TIE INTO THE SIDEWALK? I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT IT WOULD, IT WOULD CONTINUE THROUGH THE DRIVEWAY OF THE YACHT CLUB, UNLESS THEY'RE GONNA BE REALLY KIND AND JUST GIVE US THAT, SORRY. OH, OKAY. IT IS, IT'S ALL RIGHT. SORRY. YOU'RE, YOU'RE CORRECT. SO THE SCOPE WE'RE DISCUSSING TONIGHT DOES COVER EXACTLY THAT EXTENT. WHAT WE HAVE OUTLINED IN THE DESIGN CONCEPT MEMO THAT I MIGHT BE ABLE TO BRING UP, UM, REALLY DIFFERENTIATES THE PHYSICAL AREA OF THE STRUCTURE VERSUS THE SURROUNDING LAND SIDE. AND SO THE INTENT IS ONCE THE STRUCTURE IS, UM, CONSTRAINED WITH A A CHOICE, WE THEN PIVOT INTO THE LANDSIDE IMPROVEMENTS AND DESIGN THAT INTERFACE BETWEEN THE STRUCTURE AND THE EXISTING DOWNTOWN SIDEWALKS. THANK YOU. SO IT DOESN'T STOP THERE. OKAY. PERFECT. THANK YOU. GARLEY, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. AND I LIKE THE HISTORICAL CONTEXT. SO YOU PUT IN THERE, UM, MY, MY FIRST QUESTION IS, IS THE TRESTLE PROTECT PROTECTED AS THIS HISTORIC [02:05:01] STRUCTURE? SO I THINK THE DETAILS OF THAT, I MIGHT CALL IN AMY AS WELL, DON'T WANNA MISSPEAK ON THE DETAILS. UM, SO THE, THE TRESTLE IS WHAT'S CALLED ELIGIBLE FOR LISTING UNDER THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES, AS WELL AS THE CALIFORNIA RES REGISTER. SO THAT MAKES IT, UM, PROTECTED UNDER THE LAW IN A COUPLE DIFFERENT WAYS. SO UNDER CACA HAS VERY SPECIFIC GUIDELINES. THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT HAS VERY SPECIFIC GUIDELINES FOR WHENEVER YOU MODIFY OR DE UH, DEMO A HISTORIC SITE OR HISTORIC PROPERTY. UM, SO THERE ARE SOME MITIGATION OR OFFSET THAT'S REQUIRED. UH, AS PART OF THAT, THERE'S ALSO A NATIONAL LAW CALLED THE NATIONAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION ACT. AND UNDER THAT ACT, UM, ALL FEDERAL AGENCIES, INCLUDING SOME OF THOSE PERMITTING AGENCIES LIKE THE US EMERY CORPS OF ENGINEERS, HAVE TO CONSIDER HOW THEIR PERMITTED ACTIONS AFFECT A HISTORIC STRUCTURE. AND PART OF THAT PROCESS INCLUDES A CONSULTATION WITH THE STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER AND POSSIBLY THE ADVISORY COUNCIL ON HISTORIC PRESERVATION, WHICH IS A NATIONAL, UM, ORGANIZATION. SO YES, THE, THE STRUCTURE IS A WONDERFUL HISTORIC STRUCTURE IN PETALUMA SHOWS THE, HIS, IT'S WONDERFULLY REPRESENTATIVE OF THE HISTORY OF THE WATERFRONT. UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S VERY DETERIORATED. SO WE HAVE TO CONSIDER, UM, ITS PROTECTION AS A HISTORIC STRUCTURE, BUT ALSO HOW DO WE HONOR THAT HISTORY IN THE DESIGN OF BOTH THE, UM, TRESTLE AND ANY OTHER IMPROVEMENTS, UM, THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT. 'CAUSE THE DISTRICT ITSELF IS ALSO A HISTORIC, UM, A HISTORIC SITE. OKAY. SO IT, IT IS, EXCUSE ME, IT IS THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE OR IT QUALIFIES TO BE ONE. SO THE LAW DOESN'T DISTINGUISH BETWEEN WHETHER YOU'RE ACTUALLY LISTED ON THE LIST AS FAR AS THE NATIONAL LAW, THE NATIONAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION ACT. IF YOU'RE ELIGIBLE FOR THE LIST, YOU'RE TREATED THE SAME WAY AS IF YOU ARE ON THE LIST. SO IT IS, IT IS, UM, PROTECTED IN THAT WAY. MM-HMM . OKAY. THANK YOU. SO WE COULDN'T CHANGE THE DESIGN VERY MUCH THEN, OR WHAT ARE THE PARAMETERS AROUND THAT YOU COULD, SO, UM, THE PROCESS FOR THIS KIND OF A PROJECT IS TO LOOK AT HOW WE MAY BE ADVERSELY AFFECTING THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THE STRUCTURE AND HOW DO WE COMPENSATE FOR THAT IMPACT. AND THAT, UM, CAN BE DONE IN NEGOTIATION WITH YOUR LOCAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION FOLKS HERE, AS WELL AS WITH, UM, THE STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER. AND THAT'S PART OF WHY WE WERE LOOKING AT STRUCTURAL OPTIONS THAT MIMIC THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE ITSELF, BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE SHIPPO, THE STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER WILL BE WANTING TO SEE AS PART OF YOUR DESIGN IS HOW ARE YOU HONORING THIS, UH, THE HISTORY OF THIS STRUCTURE. AND DO ALL FOUR OPTIONS QUALIFY? HAVE WE SUBMITTED THAT YET? SO, UM, NO, WE DON'T KNOW YET. UM, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT APPROACHED THE STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER, HOW FAR DOWN THE ROAD WOULD WE GET BEFORE WE KNEW THAT IN INVESTING TOO MUCH IN THIS, THAT'D BE A NEXT STEP. THAT IS OUR NEXT STEP IS TO HAVE AN INTERAGENCY MEETING. OKAY. AND THEN, UM, IN, IN PART OF KEEPING IT HISTORIC, ARE WE REQUIRED TO KEEP THE RAIL ON IT? THAT WILL BE NEGOTIATED? UM, YOU KNOW, I HAVE SEEN OTHER JURISDICTIONS CONVERT, UH, A HISTORIC RAIL INTO AN ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION CORRIDOR WHERE THEY ACTUALLY REPURPOSE THE RAILS THEMSELVES INTO THINGS LIKE THE RAILING OF THE TRAIL AS OPPOSED TO BEING REQUIRED TO KEEP THE RAIL IN THE, UM, SURFACE OF THE, OF THE TRAIL AND THE MAX LOAD FOR EACH OF THESE OPTIONS, IS IT COMPARABLE TO THE EXISTING DESIGN? SO GENERALLY, NO. THE, UH, NEW OPTIONS WERE PREPARED FOR 150 POUNDS PER SQUARE FOOT, WHICH IS LIKE A, A DENSE CONGREGATION THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE ORIGINAL RAIL LOADING. AND CHRISTIE, YEAH. ANYTHING TO ADD? DO WE KNOW WHAT THE ORIGINAL LOAD WAS? I'VE SEEN REFERENCE TO LIKE A 250,000 POUND AXLE LOAD, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW ACCURATE THAT IS. MM-HMM . OKAY. AND THEN, UM, IS COSA AN OPTION FOR THE NEW, FOR THE NEW TIMBERS? NO, IT'S NOT ALLOWED IN CALIFORNIA ANYMORE. SO WHAT IF WE WERE TO GO WITH WOOD AS, AS THE, AS THE STRUCTURE OF IT, WHAT, WHAT SORT OF TREATMENT WOULD WE [02:10:01] CONSIDER AS AN ALTERNATIVE? YEAH, SO THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE FOR A NON PRESERVATIVE TREATED HARDWOOD. SO THEY'RE MARINE RESISTANT HARDWOODS THAT ARE USED IN TIMBERS THAT HAVE A 50 YEAR SERVICE LIFE WITHOUT TREATMENTS. THEY, THEY ACT SIMILAR TO REDWOOD IN THAT THE, UM, THE MATERIAL ITSELF NATURALLY HAS, UM, MICROBIAL INHIBITORS. AND SO THAT BASICALLY SERVES THE SAME PURPOSE AS A A PRESERVATIVE TREATMENT. UM, OKAY. AND THEN, UM, IS WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE MAINTENANCE PROGRAM FOR THE TRESTLE TO MAKE SURE IT GETS ITS FULL SERVICE LIFE OR BEYOND? DO WE HAVE ANYTHING SPECIFIC WE CAN ADD TO THAT NOW, OTHER THAN MORE OR LESS INDUSTRY STANDARD RECOMMENDATIONS, THERE WOULD BE O AND M FOR REPAIR. UH, IT WOULD VARY WHETHER IT'S A TIMBER OR A STEEL. I DUNNO. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? ? YEAH, THANK YOU. CHRISTIE MILLER WITH BOTH INFRASTRUCTURE ENVIRONMENT, UM, UH, WE WOULD DO INDUSTRY STANDARD MAINTENANCE AS STEVE SAID. AND SO DEPENDING ON THE MATERIAL THAT WOULD DICTATE THAT, UH, FOR STEEL, THAT CAN BE COATINGS AND REPLACEMENT OF COATINGS, UM, AS WELL AS THE INITIAL DESIGN HAVING A SACRIFICIAL THICKNESS TO IT FOR CONCRETE. YOU CAN DESIGN THE MIX WHEN IT'S INSTALLED AND THEN, UM, TREATMENT OPTIONS. SO IT WOULD JUST DEPEND ON, ON WHAT THE MATERIAL IS AT THAT TIME. MM-HMM . AND THEN BACK IN THE EARLIER TWO THOUSANDS WHEN THIS WAS ON THE TABLE THEN, UM, WERE WE CONSIDERING REBUILDING THE TRESTLE TO HANDLE HEAVY LOADS? GOING BACK TO THAT QUESTION, SO I BELIEVE, OR WAS IT GONNA BE A REDUCED LOAD AS, AS YOU'RE KIND OF PROPOSING NOW? I BELIEVE THERE WERE QUESTIONS RAISED AROUND RAIL LOADING, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WAS INCLUDED AS A FINAL CONDITION IN THE 2013 DESIGN. I BELIEVE THAT WAS FOR PEDESTRIAN LOADING AS WELL. DO YOU RECALL GINA? I DON'T REMEMBER. OKAY. OKAY. THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU MYS MAYOR. UM, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. UM, YOUR FUTURE, UM, LIST OF, OF A DATE PLAN. IT SAYS STAKEHOLDERS WHO, THERE IT IS. MM-HMM . STAKEHOLDERS MEETING URBAN DESIGN AUGUST, 2025. ARE THE STAKEHOLDERS, THE PROPERTY OWNERS ALONG THAT TRESTLE, THE GREAT PALM MILL, THE THEATER DISTRICT, THE YACHT CLUB? YES. AND SO I THINK WE WOULD INCLUDE PEOPLE THAT HAVE EXPRESSED INTEREST OVER THE, IN THE PROJECT OVER TIME. SO WE HAVE A, AN ONGOING INTEREST LIST. AND THEN ALSO REALLY THE INTENT IS NOT TO EXCLUDE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WANTS TO COME AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON THE LANDSIDE IMPROVEMENTS, BUT HAVE WE SPOKEN TO THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS? 'CAUSE THEY HAVE A LOT TO GAIN BY IMPROVING THE TRESTLE AND HA LETTING US SEE THEIR MONEY WOULD BE REALLY NICE. SURE. SO WE HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS. WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING I WOULD CALL A FORMAL ENGAGEMENT YET. OKAY. 'CAUSE THE LAST TIME I SPOKE TO THEM WAS LAST TIME I WAS ON COUNSEL WAS PRIOR TO THE 2013, BUT, UM, STEEL RUSS. CORRECT. SO IT LOOKS TERRIBLE. UM, THE ONLY THING I CAN THINK OF IN THE COMMUNITY THAT LOOKS TERRIBLE RUSTY, IS THE, THE STEEL PIPES OUT AT THE GOLF COURSE OR THE DRIVING RANGE AND THEY LOOK TERRIBLE. SO IT'S NOT AN IMPROVEMENT TO HAVE STEEL THAT'S RUSTING. SO WHAT CAN WE DO TO MITIGATE THE STEEL? YEAH, THE STEEL OPTION PROPOSED HERE WOULD HAVE A COATING ON THE OUTSIDE THAT YOU WOULDN'T SEE RUST THROUGH THAT THAT COATING WOULD BE DESIGNED TO LAST BEYOND THE LIFE OF THE, THE STRUCTURE ITSELF. SO THE COATING WOULD BE DESIGNED TO HAVE A LONG SERVICE LIFE AND REPAIRING THAT COATING OVER TIME AS IT FAILS BEFORE RUST BECOMES AN ISSUE WOULD BE PART OF THE STANDARD MAINTENANCE. AND THEN THAT LEADS US TO GRAFFITI. SO IF WE HAVE A BIG STEEL POLE, PEOPLE ARE GONNA, YOU KNOW, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT AND USE IT FURTHER ARTWORK. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT. SO WE'D HAVE TO PUT THAT INTO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE DESIGN MAINTENANCE, UM, PART OF IT. BUT, UM, I PUT DOWN OPTION TWO, BUT I DIDN'T SEE THAT. I SAW OPTION ONE AND THREE AT THE VERY END PRESENTATION. AND IT IS BECAUSE I HAD PERPENDICULAR WAS MY NOTES. SURE. AND OPTION TWO HAS, SEE WHERE THAT OPENING IS. I'M THINKING THAT RODENTS AND CRITTERS AND BIRDS ARE GONNA [02:15:01] MAKE NESTS AND THAT LITTLE SQUARE OPENING WHERE IF IT'S FLUSH, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE USING THAT FOR A HABITAT. AM I CORRECT? I THINK THAT'S A FAIR POINT. I DO BELIEVE THAT OPTION TWO WOULD STILL HAVE SOME AREAS THAT ARE EXPOSED. LIKE IT WOULDN'T BE A COMPLETELY CONTINUOUS STRUCTURE THAT COMPLETELY EXCLUDED NESTING ANIMALS. AND YOU'RE RIGHT IN THE SUMMARY, UM, DIDN'T MEAN TO NOTE THAT THE DESIGN TEAM HAD A PREFERENCE FOR ONE OVER TWO OR THREE OVER FOUR. IT WAS MORE THEY'RE SIMILAR ENOUGH IN OVER OVERALL THAT, UH, WE JUST SHOWED ONE VERSUS THE OTHER. THAT WAS JUST MY CONCERN ABOUT MM-HMM . RODENTS OR ANIMALS MAKING HABITATS IN THOSE LITTLE CUBICLES. UM, WE HAVE THAT HAPPENING DOWN AT THE PARKING GARAGE, SO I JUST WANTED TO ELIMINATE IF IT'S UNDERNEATH MM-HMM . WE'RE NOT GONNA SEE IT SO MUCH. MM-HMM . IT'S, IT'S NOT GONNA LOOK TERRIBLE. BUT, UM, WE KNOW THAT RODENTS LEAP BEHIND US OF STUFF AND SO DO BIRDS. SO ANYTHING THAT, 'CAUSE IF IT HAS BIRD RESIDUE ALL OVER, IT'S NOT GONNA BE UP APPEALING. SO THAT'S MY CONCERN. AND WE HAVE TO PUT A MAINTENANCE PLAN IN PLACE BECAUSE WE DID NOT DO THAT WITH THE, SOME OF THE OTHER STRUCTURES WE HAVE IN TOWN. BUT, UM, I AM ALL FOR IT, BUT I ALSO WANNA SEE, UM, WHAT THE, MY COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE TO SAY. THANKS. SURE. COUNCILOR BARNACLE. THANK YOU. UM, SO JUST TO CONFIRM WITH WHAT YOU, IN THE DIRECTION YOU NEED, LIKE YOU LITERALLY NEED US TO PICK A DECKING TONIGHT. SO I THINK BETWEEN OPTIONS ONE AND TWO OR OPTIONS THREE AND FOUR, THAT LEVEL OF, UH, DEVIATION CAN BE ACCOMMODATED LATER IN THE DESIGN PHASE, BUT AT THIS POINT TO MAKE PROGRESS, WE WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO KNOW 2013 OPTION ONE TWO OR OPTION THREE FOUR. GREAT. THANK YOU. THAT HELPS ME. UM, I WASN'T READY TO PICK MY DECKING YET. , UM, ON THE COST PER LINEAR SQUARE FOOT. THANKS FOR MAKING THAT CLARIFICATION. CAN YOU EXPRESS, YOU KNOW, THE COST THAT YOU'RE SHOWING THERE AS A PERCENTAGE OF THE OVERALL PROJECT COST SO THAT WE GET A SENSE OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, AM I TALKING ABOUT SHAVING THREE TO 5% OFF THE PROJECT COST OR AM I TALKING ABOUT SHAVING 15 TO 20 OR 25% OFF THE PROJECT COST? SURE. UM, SO I'LL, I'LL USE THE TYPICAL ENGINEER'S ANSWERS. IT, IT DEPENDS UNFORTUNATELY. UM, BUT TO CAVEAT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE, I THINK YOU'RE PROBABLY CLOSER IN THE THREE TO 5% BETWEEN OPTIONS ONE AND TWO AND THEN OPTIONS THREE AND FOUR. UH, REALLY A LOT OF THAT DESIGN HINGES UPON THE SCOPE OF LANDSIDE IMPROVEMENTS AND THAT WE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW AND SINCE, YOU KNOW, NOT SOMETHING WE CAN PUT A COST TO, BUT I, I DO THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN RELATION TO THE OVERALL PROJECT COST, RELATIVELY SMALL DIFFERENCES ACROSS THESE OPTIONS. GREAT, THANKS. AND THEN, SO THEN I GUESS WE GOT AN EMAIL FROM OUR, OUR SUPERVISOR, UM, AND HE SPOKE TO US FROM A SUPERVISOR STANDPOINT AND GAVE US UPDATE FROM HIS, HIS POSITION THERE. AND THEN, UM, I APPRECIATED WHAT HE SAID AS A FELLOW PETAL LUMEN AND HE SORT OF SAID, YOU KNOW, LET'S THINK ABOUT THIS AS A FUNCTIONAL IMPROVEMENT TO OUR WATERFRONT. UM, AND HE, HE SUGGESTED THE CAFE TO THE YACHT CLUB WAS LESS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY A PATH THERE. UM, AND THAT REALLY FOCUSING ON THE PART FROM THE CAFE OVER TO THE BASHAW BRIDGE WAS, UM, REALLY THE MOST IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT'S OBVIOUSLY A SMALL TRAIL WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, ITS ISSUES. UM, I I I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER SHR WAS TALKING ABOUT WITH RESPECT TO REDESIGNING IT, BUT LIKE I'M, I'M INTERESTED IN LIKE, IS THAT A DIRECTION THAT, LIKE WE COULD TAKE THIS? SURE. SO YOU, YOU BRING UP A REALLY GOOD POINT AND THAT'S THE POTENTIAL FOR PHASING CONSTRUCTION TO BITE OFF MANAGEABLE PIECES OF CONSTRUCTION OVER TIME. SO THE BENEFIT OF PHASING IS THAT WE COULD CHOOSE TO BUILD A PORTION OF THE STRUCTURE, SAY ONE YEAR, AND THEN COME BACK AND BUILD THE REST AT A FUTURE DATE. THAT'S GOING TO INCREASE OVERALL COST BECAUSE YOU'RE PAYING FOR MOBILIZATION MULTIPLE TIMES, YOU'RE PAYING FOR THE GENERAL CONDITIONS, ENVIRONMENTAL MONITORING SEVERAL TIMES OVER AND ESCALATION AND ESCALATION. BUT IT DOES ALLOW YOU TO START WITH SOMETHING SMALLER THAN A 12 OR $13 MILLION ALL IN NUMBER. AND SO THE PROJECT TEAM IS PREPARED TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, VALUE ENGINEERING OPTIONS FOR, UH, A PORTION OF THE CONSTRUCTION ONCE WE'VE HONED IN ON SOME OF THE OTHER UNKNOWNS. GREAT, THANKS. AND THEN, UH, FINAL QUESTION IS, OR MAYBE [02:20:01] MY FINAL QUESTION, I GOT A SMALL LITTLE THING IS, UM, ON THE, UM, HOW, LIKE, I GUESS, AND I'M, MAYBE I JUST AM NOT SEEING IT OVERALL LIKE SOME OF THE IMAGES, BUT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT LIKE WHERE IS IT INTEGRATED WITH THE LAND AND WHERE IS IT ACTUALLY JUST RUNNING PARALLEL TOO WITH, WITH A GAP ABOUT THE MEMO? YEAH. YEAH. CAN CAN YOU JUST PULL THAT UP AND JUST REFRESH MY MIND AND, AND THE AUDIENCE'S MIND AS WELL. SECOND PAGE? YEP. DOESN'T WANNA SHARE. UM, IS IT POSSIBLE TO JUST PICK UP A GOOGLE EARTH, UH, IMAGE ON THAT? I THINK 'CAUSE YOU NEED TO DO MEASUREMENTS ON THAT. A LITTLE MORE VISUAL. I DUNNO. COUNCILMAN QUINT GOT UP AND RUNNING. BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE PULLING UP IS AN AERIAL. YEAH, I THINK I'VE LOST THE ABILITY TO CHOOSE WHAT I SHARE. LET'S SEE IF I CAN REALLY, THAT'S FIRST THREE ANYWAY. YEAH. STOP SHARING. NOW YOU CAN RESTART, SHARON. THANK YOU. THERE WE GO. YEP. APPRECIATE THE PATIENCE. SO HERE IN RED, THIS IS FROM THE DESIGN CONCEPT OPTIONS MEMO IN RED IS THE EXTENT OF THE STRUCTURE ITSELF. AND THEN IN BLUE IS THE SURROUNDING LANDSIDE IMPROVEMENTS AS TO WHERE EXACTLY IT CONNECTS. UH, WE CAN GO WITH A CONTINUOUS PROMENADE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE LENGTH, OR THERE IS THE POTENTIAL TO USE SPACE IN DIFFERENT WAYS AND LEAVE SOME AREAS OPEN. SO I THINK THAT'S TO BE DETERMINED. UM, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, THIS ENTIRE AREA IN BOTH COLORS IS WHAT WE VIEW AS THE OVERALL PROJECT FOOTPRINT. GREAT. THANKS. AND THE BLUE, SO THE BLUE BEING THE URBAN DESIGN, THAT'S WHAT'S SORT OF LEFT TO BE JUST DETERMINED IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH IT'S INTEGRATED WITH THE LANDSIDE STUFF. UM, BUT REALLY THE RED IS WHAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON TONIGHT. THANK YOU. CORRECT. YEP. UM, SORRY FOR THE DUMB QUESTIONS. NO, IT'S . UH, AND THEN I GUESS MY, MY LAST IS JUST FROM THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE HERE, WHO'VE BEEN A PART OF THIS FOR A LONG TIME. UM, YOU KNOW, $12 MILLION IS A LOT OF, OF RESOURCES. AND I WOULD JUST LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU ALL HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT SOMETHING FUNCTIONAL THAT GETS DONE AND INCORPORATES THE RAIL INTO THE RAILING AND DOES CREATIVE THINGS TO ACTUALLY TELL THE STORY OF THE TRESTLE SO THAT IT'S NOT FALLING INTO OUR WATER. UM, VERSUS, UH, ACTUALLY HAVING A PATH. I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THAT. UM, IF IT, IF IT, YOU CAN INCORPORATE IT INTO YOUR COMMENTS. 'CAUSE UM, THAT'S SO ONE OF THE TRADE OFFS THAT I'M THINKING ABOUT FOR SURE. THANKS. RIGHT. WE ARE BEING ASKED TO, UH, WEIGH IN ON A PRETTY BIG, UM, DECISION WITH, UM, NOT ALL THE DATA REALLY IN FRONT OF US, UH, NOR THE WHOLE PATHWAY, UM, COMPLETE IN FRONT US. WELL, I'D JUST LIKE TO RE-ASK, UH, THAT QUESTION. SO THE 12 MILLION INCLUDES THE, UM, THE SHORE SIDE IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL AS THE TRESTLE. UM, THAT, THAT'S OUR BEST ESTIMATE TONIGHT. BEST ESTIMATE. GREAT. UM, MOST OF MY QUESTIONS, UM, KIND OF REVOLVE AROUND HISTORIC SIDE OF THINGS. UM, AND, AND REALLY HOW MUCH WE THINK IT'LL IMPACT, UH, THE, THE EAR AND THE NEGOTIATING WITH PERMITS BASED ON WHAT DECISION WE MAKE. UH, I, I LIKE VICE MAYOR INCLINED TOWARDS OPTION TWO. IT'S IT'S WOODEN [02:25:01] STRUCTURE. UH, IT'S 50 YEARS LIFE, SO THAT'S GOOD. BUT THAT DECKING IS LESS HISTORIC. IT COMES OUTTA RISK. HOW BIG A DEAL WITH PERMITTING IS GONNA BE THE ORIENTATION OF THE DECKING . WHAT KIND OF POKER DO WE PLAY WITH THESE GUYS? , , DO YOU HAVE COMMENT ON THAT, AMY? I THINK WE NEED TO START THOSE CONVERSATIONS SOONER THAN LATER WITH THE AGENCIES AND, UH, GET THE HISTORIC LOCAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION FOLKS WHO YOU WERE JUST HONORING TONIGHT INVOLVED IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS AS WELL. UM, OUR GOAL IS TO EMULATE THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE, BUT WE ARE DEMOING IT. UM, THAT IS AN IMPACT TO THE STRUCTURE. SO, UM, IT'S A NEGOTIATED PROCESS OF HOW DO WE HONOR THE STRUCTURE? WHAT KIND OF INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE DO WE INCLUDE AND INCORPORATE INTO OUR ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PROJECT? SO WE CAN TELL THE HISTORY YOU'RE STANDING ON HISTORY, TELL THE HISTORY OF THE AREA. THAT'LL BE A REQUIREMENT ON THOSE. I THINK. I THINK WE'RE ALL GOOD WITH, UM, GOOD, INFORMATIVE SIGNAGE. YEAH. AS BEING NON IMPACTFUL TO THE COST DECISION. AND PART OF IT IS YOUR, HOW YOU DEFINE YOUR PURPOSE AND THE, YOUR PURPOSE OF THE PROJECT. AND IF ONE OF YOUR OBJECTIVES IS TO MAXIMIZE, UM, YOU KNOW, A DA ACCESSIBILITY AND AFTER TRANS TRANSPORTATION PURPOSES, AND THAT A PARALLEL DECKING VERSUS A RIGHT MIGHT SERVE THAT FOR, SO LEMME ASK THE REST OF THE HISTORIC, I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE LIKE HALF A DOZEN HISTORIC MODIFICATIONS BEING DISCUSSED BY COUNCIL, ONE OF THEM BEING SURE A SHORTENED LENGTH IF IT DOESN'T CONTINUE THE ROUTE THAT WAS WR RUN BY. UM, IF WE ONLY GO HALFWAY AND LOSE HALF OF THE STRUCTURE, IS THAT A BIG DEAL AT IN THIS TYPE OF HISTORICAL ANALYSIS? IT COULD BE, BUT THAT AGAIN, IS SUBJECT TO NEGOTIATION. IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DEMOING THE STRUCTURE, WE'RE ALREADY, THAT'S THE BIGGEST IMPACT YOU CAN HAVE. RIGHT? SO YOU'VE ALREADY OKAY. HAD THAT IMPACT. SO WE HAVE TO NEGOTIATE THOSE TERMS. AND, UM, CHANGING THE ELEVATION, I MEAN, WE'VE SAID THAT ADDRESSING SEA LEVEL RISE WOULD BE A MATTER OF, UH, THE DECK LEVEL CHANGING THE ELEVATION OF THE DECKING. AND, AND, UH, IF WE DO THAT, DOES, DOES THAT SUBJECTIVELY BOTHER ANY OF THESE PERMIT AGENCIES? SO I WILL NOTE THAT THE PROPOSED 13 AND A HALF FEET ABOVE MEAN SEA LEVEL IS THE AVERAGE EXISTING DECK ELEVATION. LIKE IT CHANGES ALONG THE LENGTH, BUT THAT IS PRETTY WELL ALIGNED WITH THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. OKAY. SO IT, UM, THE DESIGN, AND THERE WAS A QUESTION THERE TOO ABOUT WHETHER TO, WHAT TO DO ABOUT SEA LEVEL RISE WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS COULD BEING ASKED OF COUNCIL. AND I, HOPEFULLY WE THINK THE COUNCIL CAN SAY, THAT'S A MO THAT'S A MODEST THING AND NOT ONE OF OUR IMPORTANT DECISIONS TO MAKE TONIGHT. HAVE WE GOT A SLIDE FOR YOU? ANTICIPATED THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME, SOME MORE DETAILED QUESTIONS ABOUT SEA LEVEL RISE BECAUSE IT IS IMPORTANT AND WE DO KNOW MORE ABOUT WHAT TO ANTICIPATE THAN WE DID A WHILE BACK. UM, AND THIS IMAGE, IS THERE A, CAN YOU ZOOM IN? CAN'T DO IT. SO THIS WASN'T MEANT TO BE A SLIDE, THIS IS A GRAPHIC, UM, UM, THAT IS SMALL FONTED AND HARD TO READ, BUT I'LL GIVE YOU A QUICK DESCRIPTION. YOU'RE LOOKING AT A CROSS SECTION OF THE TRESTLE ON THE RIGHT. YOU SEE THE BANK COMING UP IN THE, IN THE IRREGULAR RIVER BED BELOW ON THE LEFT WITH THE WHITE PANEL IS THE FLOATING DOCK THAT IS EXISTING. AND NOW I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT THE HORIZONTAL LINES. AND CAN YOU SCROLL JUST A LITTLE BIT LEFT? I DON'T KNOW IF THEY CAN MAKE THAT OUT. THE, UM, THERE YOU GO. SO THE, THE LOWERMOST LINE IS MEAN C LEVEL, UH, THAT'S WHAT THE DOCK IS FLOATING ON, RIGHT? GOES UP AND DOWN. AND THEN THE NEXT LINE UP IS, UH, REPRESENTS THE, UH, IF YOU REMEMBER THE SEA LEVEL RISE MAPPING THAT WE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL LAST YEAR. THERE WAS A MID-CENTURY AND AN END OF CENTURY, UM, TWO END OF CENTURY SCENARIOS. AND THE END OF CENTURY, UH, NOT HIGHLY PROBABLE, SO VERY CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE WAS 3.4 FEET OF SEA LEVEL RISE. AND THAT IS WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IN THAT, IN THAT NEXT LINE, WHICH IS BELOW THE TOP OF THE TRESTLE AND THE WORST, WORST SCENARIO FOR SEA LEVEL RISE THAT WE MIGHT CONSIDER FOR CRITICAL, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE, [02:30:02] IE FIRE STATIONS AND HOSPITALS AND TREATMENT PLANTS, FOR INSTANCE, THOSE THINGS THAT WE REALLY ARE WANNA BE UBER, UBER CAREFUL ABOUT. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, UH, USING THE 6.9 FEET OF SEA LEVEL RISE AT END OF CENTURY. AND THAT IS REPRESENTED BY THAT TOP, UM, THAT TOP 14.5 RED LINE. AND THAT ONE, UH, ALSO HAS KING TIDE BUILT INTO THAT, THAT 14.5. SO THAT'S KING TIDE PLUS ALMOST SEVEN FEET OF SEA LEVEL RISE. UM, AND THAT COULD BE HIGHER THAN THE TOP DECK OF THE TRESTLE SOMETIME IN THE NEXT CENTURY , RIGHT? UM, SO PROBABLY PAST THE USEFUL LIFE SPANS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO ONLY AT KING TIDE. SO KING TIDE IS A BIG CHUNK OF THAT. AND KING TIDES HAPPEN PERIODICALLY. SO I, WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT EVEN IF WE SEE THAT LEVEL OF, OF, UH, SEA LEVEL RISE FROM CLIMATE CHANGE IN THAT PERIOD OF TIME, UM, YOU, YOU MIGHT CLO YOU MIGHT FOR INSTANCE, CLOSE, UH, ON WHEN YOU'RE ANTICIPATING A LARGE STORM OR A KING TIDE, UH, AT, YOU KNOW, THREE, FOUR TIMES A YEAR, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO RESTRICT ACCESS. SO WHAT I'M HEARING, WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT THE DECISION REGARDING, UH, SEA LEVEL RISE IS NOT A SIGNIFICANT DECISION IN TONIGHT'S, UH, CONVERSATION. THE DESIGN CAN PROCEED. YES, ABSOLUTELY. THE DESIGN CAN PROCEED AND, AND, AND THE DESIGN. AND THERE'LL BE NO DELAY IN THE DESIGN AT A LATER TIME OF TRYING TO MAKE A DECISION. ON THIS POINT. I'M KIND OF FRUSTRATED WITH HOW LONG THE TRESTLE IS, UH, TAKEN IN OUR PROCESSING OVERALL. AND, AND I'M TRYING TO STAY FOCUSED ON WHAT COULD THE HURDLES BE THAT WE HAVEN'T HEARD OF OR, OR LIKE THINGS WE PUT OFF TODAY THAT NEVER BITE US DOWN THE ROAD AND THAT KIND OF THING. SO, UM, I'M, I'M ANXIOUS TO JUST PUT A PIN IN THE SEA LEVEL RISE WON'T BE ONE OF THOSE ISSUES. THAT'S RIGHT. UM, SO THEN, UH, PIVOTING TO THE IDEAS OF SCALING BACK THE LENGTHS OR THE HEIGHT, CAN WE FAIRLY ASSUME THAT THE FIXED COST OF ANY OF THESE PROJECTS IS NEARLY HALF OF THE COST IN, IN TERMS OF IF WE NARROW IT OR WE SHORTEN THE LENGTH? YOU, THE, YOUR PERMIT COST, YOUR MOBILIZATION COSTS ALL, YOU'RE BASICALLY IN FOR HALF OF THE BIG COST ANYWAYS. AND IT'S A QUESTION OF HOW MUCH YOU'RE SCALING DOWN THE, THE, UH, MATERIAL PURCHASE AND LABOR TIME. SO WE DON'T SAVE PROPORTIONALLY BY CUTTING A CERTAIN ELEMENT. WE SAVE ON SOME SMALLER SCALE. YOU KNOW, WE SAVE I THINK THAT'S FAIR FOR, FOR YEAH, FOR 50% CUT, WE SAVE 25%. SOMETHING TO TO THAT MAGNITUDES, JUST SO WE ALL AWARE WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE A TRADE HERE OR TRYING TO FIND THE FUNDING FOR IT. UM, THE, THOSE WERE THINGS I WANTED TO HIT IN THE QUESTION PERIOD. UH, BUT ON, BUT ALSO ON THE GRAFFITI FRONT, UM, WE WILL HAVE JUST AS MUCH, UM, PROBLEM WITH GRAFFITI ON WOOD AS GRAFFITI ON STEEL. RIGHT. AND THEN, UM, I DON'T REALLY WANT TO GO TO A METAL, BUT ISN'T, UM, CORTEN A STEEL RUST PRE RUSTED MATERIAL THAT'S AESTHETICALLY SIMILAR TO WOOD? IT HAS A DARKENED, UH, LOOK TO IT RATHER THAN, SO SOME PEOPLE BILL WITH CORTEN, SO I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR MARINE INSULATION LOOKING AT OUR EXPERTS. YEAH. CORE 10, UM, IS A STEEL THAT THE, THE RUST ON IT CREATES A PATINA, WHICH IS A PROTECTION MECHANISM THAT IT CAN BE USED FOR, UH, SUPERSTRUCTURE ITEMS, BUT NOT FOR PILES BECAUSE OF THE SALT WATER THAT WE WOULD BE DEALING WITH IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE. I WILL NOTE THOUGH, THAT WE CAN DO COATINGS, THAT WE CAN LOOK AT DIFFERENT COLORS, UM, OTHER THAN SOMETHING THAT'S SUPER OFFENSIVE OR, YOU KNOW, TO TRY TO MAKE IT BLEND MORE WITH THE, THE TIMBER THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. YEAH, I APPRECIATED THAT THE COST, BUT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, UM, OPTIONS ONE AND TWO WAS ABOUT 10%. AND, AND BETWEEN ONE AND TWO AND THREE FOUR WAS ABOUT 20% MORE. BUT THAT, THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S ONLY PART OF THE PROJECT COST THAT REALLY ONLY REFLECTS THREE TO 5%. THAT BRINGS THEM ALL, ALL THE CHOICES CLOSER TOGETHER. UM, THAT WAS IT FOR ME FOR QUESTIONS AND ANY RISE BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC, UM, PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE MATTER, THEN LET'S GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE MATTER AND I'LL ASK OUR CLERK IF WE'VE HAD ANY COMMENT BEFORE THE MEETING. WE RECEIVED, UM, SEVEN PUBLIC COMMENTS AHEAD OF THE MEETING ON THIS ITEM, AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ATTENDING IN PERSON SHOULD BRING THEIR SPEAKER CORDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK AT THIS TIME. SPEAKERS ARE INVITED TO BE RESPECTFUL IN THEIR COMMENTS AND THAT THIS MEETING IS BEING TRANSLATED. [02:35:18] WHAT DID YOU SAY? OKAY. UH, OUR FIR FIRST, UH, SPEAKER IS CHRIS TONIGHT TO BE FOLLOWED BY CATHERINE REINHARDT. THANK YOU STAFF FOR THE PRESENTATION IS SO MUCH INFORMATION, IT'S, UH, HARD TO GRASP AT ALL. I THANK, UH, THE COUNCIL FOR THEIR, UM, ATTENTION TO THIS DETAILS. UM, WE WILL, UH, THERE'S SO MUCH INFORMATION AND SO MANY ASSUMPTIONS AND PRESUMPTIONS THAT, UH, WENT ON IN THE, AS THE, UH, ESTIMATES THAT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE, OR HAVE YOU HAVE STAFF PROVIDE US WITH A DETAILED EXPLANATION OF HOW THEY ARRIVED AT HOW MUCH PER SQUARE, LINEAR FOOT, EXCUSE ME, PREFER LINEAR FOOT WOULD COST THOSE ITEMS, UH, ARE, ARE CRUCIAL TO KNOW SO YOU CAN COMPARE THEM WITH, UH, OTHER THINGS THAT MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN THOUGHT ABOUT. UM, THE, UH, FROM WHAT I CAN TELL IN ALL OF THE, UM, PLANNING THAT HAS BEEN GONE ON FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS SINCE THIS, WE MADE THIS A HIGH PRIORITY. THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN A PUBLIC OUTREACH SECTION, AND I HAVE PLEADED WITH STAFF TO GET IN TOUCH WITH ME, TO MEET WITH ME. UH, AND THEY SAID THEY'VE DONE THEIR PUBLIC OUTREACH, BUT I HAVE HEARD NOTHING. UH, SO I CONTEST WITH THAT, UH, THE TRESTLE. UH, I, I REALLY HOPE THAT YOU DON'T THINK THAT YOU HAVE TO COME UP. THE STAFF WOULD LIKE YOU TO COME UP WITH A DECISION TONIGHT ON WHAT'S A PREFERRED THING. BUT THE EIR IS GOING TO, UH, CHANGE EVERYTHING BECAUSE THOSE FACTS HAVEN'T BEEN ANALYZED. SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD TAKE LIGHTLY WHAT PREFERRED ITEM YOU COME UP WITH, BUT IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE REVIEWED. AND, UM, AND ALSO WHEN THEY SAY THAT THE, UH, THE, FOR INSTANCE, THE STRINGERS, UH, ARE IN, YOU KNOW, PRI FINE TO, TO EXCELLENT CONDITION, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE STRINGERS THAT WERE FINE TO EXCELLENT CONDITION TO HOLD, UH, RAIL. UM, WE'RE TALKING TO WHOLE ONE, YOU KNOW, ONE 20TH OF THAT LOAD. SO, UH, MANY OF THOSE ASSUMPTIONS THAT THEY, THERE'S PORTIONS WHERE THERE MIGHT BE A LITTLE, UH, ROT OR SOME, UH, BORES, UH, REALLY CAN BE SOLVED WITHOUT HAVING TO TAKE OUT THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE. SO THERE'S A LOT OF ASSUMPTIONS THERE THAT I REALLY DON'T, HOW MUCH TIME DO I HAVE? OKAY. UM, THE VALUE OF, UH, UH, THE, THE TRESTLE IS A, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE GO FORWARD WITH THIS AND SAVE THE TRESTLE, IT IS GOING TO MAKE NATIONAL NEWS AND IT'S GONNA BE A DOWNTOWN DRAW, AND IT'S, UH, LIKE THE HIGHLINE. SO I REALLY THINK THAT, UM, THAT THIS NEEDS SOME, SOME, UH, NOT IN A SENSE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO MAKE THE PRICE SO HIGH THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU CAN'T GET A GRANT BECAUSE IT'S NOT HISTORIC ANYMORE. SO I'VE GOT A LOT MORE TO SAY, BUT I WANNA APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENTION. THANK YOU. OUR, OUR, UH, NEXT SPEAKER IS KATHERINE REINHARDT TO BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, NICK HARRIS. GOOD EVENING, KATHERINE REINHARDT HERE. AND HAPPY NATIONAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH, WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE HISTORIC TRESTLE. UM, REALLY APPRECIATE THAT THE, WE'RE MAKING SOME, SOME PROGRESS ON THIS PROJECT THAT'S BEEN ON THE TABLE FOR DECADES, REALLY. UM, I, UH, WOULD LIKE TO SHARE HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE THE CONSULTANTS. UM, I'VE FORGOTTEN YOUR NAME. AMY, UH, IS ON THE TEAM. I'VE IMPRESSED BY WHAT SHE HAS HAD TO SHARE HERE TONIGHT. HAD, UM, TWO THINGS I WANTED TO BRING OUT, UM, AND THAT MAYBE AMY CAN ANSWER. UM, CAN WE AVOID AN EIR BY GOING WITH THE 2013 DESIGN OP OPTION, WHICH IS DESCRIBED AS MEETING THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION. IF SO, THAT WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT COST SAVINGS AND TIME SAVER. AND THEN ALSO, HAVE WE CONSIDERED, UM, THE ENVIRONMENTAL COST OF DEMOLISHING THIS STRUCTURE? I MEAN, WHERE'S IT, WHERE'S IT GONNA GO? AND WHAT, WHAT KIND OF ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT IS THAT GONNA HAVE, UM, IN THAT REGARD? SO, THANK YOU. AND MAYBE WE COULD HAVE THAT, I KNOW THIS ABOUT COMMENTS, NOT ASKING [02:40:01] QUESTIONS, BUT HOPEFULLY THAT CAN BE DONE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, NICHOLAS HARRIS. HI, UH, GOOD EVENING. UH, THIS IS A REALLY GREAT, UH, SUBJECT. I'M NOT GONNA TALK ABOUT MEASURE USE, SO DON'T WORRY. UM, I HAVE HAD THE, UH, INCREDIBLY, UH, UNFORTUNATE EXPERIENCE OF HELPING TWO HOMEOWNERS IN, UH, BLACK POINT, UH, ACHIEVE PERMITS TO REBUILD THEIR, UH, PIERS AND BOAT HOUSES, UH, WHICH IS, UH, IN THE BAY AS THIS TRESTLE IS ALSO IN THE BAY. UM, THERE'S SO MUCH I'D LIKE TO SHARE. UH, THERE'S A LOT THAT I THINK, UH, WE SHOULD BE CHALLENGING, UM, IN TERMS OF ASSUMPTIONS. UH, BECAUSE THAT TRESTLE IS IN THE BAY, IT IS PART OF THE PUBLIC TRUST. THE PUBLIC TRUST IS MANAGED BY THE STATE LANDS COMMISSION. I THINK THAT THERE'S AN AVENUE HERE, UM, AS KATHERINE REINHARDT WAS SAYING, LET'S AVOID AN EIR. THE APPROACH SHOULD BE REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE OF THIS TRESTLE, NOT REBUILDING A REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE ACTIVITY. AS MY EXPERIENCE DOING THESE PROJECTS IN BLACK POINT, WHICH WAS NOT TO THE SAME LEVEL AND CERTAINLY NOT A RAIL RELATED PROJECT, UH, YOU GET, UM, CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT FROM CAI THINK THE FIRST STEP WOULD BE, LET'S GET THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND THEIR OFFICE TOGETHER, CONTACT THE STATE LANDS COMMISSION. I I REALLY THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT TO BE HAD, UM, WITHOUT THE AID OF A CONSULTANT. UM, IT'S BEEN 10 YEARS SINCE THAT 2013 STUDY HAS HAPPENED, THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF THE CHOREA. SO IN THERE, IT JUST CONTINUES TO, UM, UH, UH, TO EXIST. IF, IF, IF WE'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING, UH, LEMME SEE A COUPLE THINGS. UM, YEAH, OKAY. THE POINT ABOUT OWNERSHIP ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT. IS THERE A WAY WE CAN AVOID IT BEING A PUBLIC WORK? CAN THIS BE A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP? CAN WE AVOID IT BEING A, UH, DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS REGISTERED PROJECT REQUIRING PREVAILING WAGE? UH, THAT COULD BE A PATH TO THIS THING HAPPENING. UM, LASTLY, I WANNA REMIND, UM, PEOPLE ON THE COUNCIL COMMENTS, DAVID KELLER MADE A WHILE AGO, UH, REGARDING RAIL ABANDONMENT AND, UM, THE, UH, RAIL THAT, UH, OWNS, OWNS THE TRESTLE. UM, HAVING TO, UH, BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL CLEANUP. IF WE ARE GOING TO EVENTUALLY SEE THIS TRESTLE BEING DEMOLISHED, MAKE THE RAILROAD PAY FOR IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND THAT, UM, THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT, UH, FOR THE EVENING AND BRINGING IT BACK UP TO COUNCIL. UH, ANYONE HAVE ANY, UH, OTHER QUESTIONS THEY HAVE BEFORE WE GET INTO COMMENTS? COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLA QUESTIONS? UM, I HAD A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP. UM, I, I NOTICED A LOT OF OUR HCPC, UM, MEETINGS GET CANCELED. WHY DIDN'T WE HAVE ONE TO GET A RECOMMENDATION FROM THEM COMING INTO THIS? SO, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. UM, AS YOU'LL NOTE, THIS HAS BEEN A VERY LONG-TERM PROJECT. THE INFORMATION SURFACED TONIGHT AND SHARED HERE IS REALLY MEANT TO CONVEY AN UPDATE ON THE STRUCTURE AND THE INTEGRITY OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. SO WHILE THE HISTORIC COMPONENT IS A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF THAT, I DON'T THINK IT'S AS SIMPLE AS CHOOSING PRESERVATION FOR PRESERVATION'S SAKE. I THINK THAT IN THIS CASE, WE WANTED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE ACTUAL STRUCTURAL RAMIFICATIONS OF REHABILITATION AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE VERSUS CONSTRUCTION. SO IF YOU WOULD DIRECT US TO DO THAT, I, I THINK WE'RE HAPPY TO. UM, THE OTHER PART OF IT WAS REALLY WE WANTED TO BRING THIS INFORMATION HERE PUBLICLY AND SHARE IT WITH THIS GROUP. AND WE'RE OPEN TO YOUR FEEDBACK ON IF YOU WOULD RATHER US TAKE THAT THAT COURSE, IF I MAY, AND PROJECT OF THIS SCALE, AND AT IT, AT ITS CURRENT PHASE IN DESIGN, IT'S REALLY IN ITS NASCENT STAGES. IT ISN'T EVEN 10% DESIGN. AND WE ABSOLUTELY WILL TAKE THIS PROJECT TO A FEW CCBS, NOT JUST, UM, NOT JUST, UM, THE HISTORIC, UM, SPAR, BUT WE'LL WANT PLANNING TO LOOK AT IT. WE'LL WANT P BACK TO LOOK AT IT. WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE CLIMATE ACTION, YOU KNOW, HAVE A SHOT AT IT. WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA RUN THIS [02:45:01] GUY AROUND AND MAKE SURE WE GET ALL OF THAT COMMITTEE FEEDBACK THAT WE CAN. IT FELT PREMATURE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T, WE, WE DON'T YET HAVE SOMETHING HONESTLY, TO, TO PRESENT. WE, WE WANNA GET OFF SQUARE ONE SO WE HAVE ENOUGH THAT WE CAN BE BEING TALKING TO SMART ABOUT. WE WANNA HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION, UH, LEAVING HERE TONIGHT SO THAT WE CAN ENGAGE IN THE, UM, IN THE, THE TALKS WITH MO INTERAGENCY TALKS. AND THAT WILL INCLUDE STATE LANDS AND FISH AND WILDLIFE AND, UM, UH, ALL OF THE SHIPPO, UM, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION GROUP. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'LL BE GOING AND TALKING TO SEVERAL AGENCIES, UH, WITH OUR ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT NEXT STEP. SO AS WE START DOING THESE THINGS, THEN WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO GET ENOUGH INFORMATION THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY SHARE MEANINGFUL THINGS FOR OUR COMMITTEES TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON. UM, SO WE FELT IT WAS PREMATURE AT THIS POINT, BUT ABSOLUTELY WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING TO THOSE GROUPS. YEAH, WELL, I, I HOPE SO. 'CAUSE IT DOES SEEM, DOESN'T SEEM PREMATURE TO ME IF WE'RE HERE TALKING TONIGHT ABOUT POSSIBLE OPTIONS, DESIGNS, MATERIALS, THINGS LIKE THAT. I THINK THEY SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THAT AS WELL. OKAY, THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE, UH, QUESTION ON THE $2.7 MILLION FOR DEMOLITION, UM, DOES THAT INCLUDE ENVIRONMENTAL MITIGATION AS WELL? YES, IT DOES. OKAY. YEAH, I'VE DEFINITELY HAD DAVID KELLER SAY THAT TO ME TOO. DON'T TAKE THE TRESTLE BACK. . OKAY. SO, UM, MAYOR, I HAD ONE MORE QUESTION. OH, PARDON ME. NO, NO, THAT'S OKAY. UM, SO WHY, WHY DIDN'T WE CONSIDER THE 2013 DESIGN, YOU KNOW, GOING AS, AS ONE OF THESE OPTIONS IF, IF IN FACT, IT IS GONNA BE A HUGE SAVINGS TO THE CITY? SO I THINK IT WAS PRESENTED HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE IT IS STILL AN OPTION TO CONSIDER. THE POINT I WOULD COME BACK TO IS THE MAYOR'S POINT, THE SAVINGS OF NOT HAVING AN EIR REQUIRED FOR THAT, WHICH I'LL CLARIFY GOING WITH THE 2013 OPTION. WE WOULD NOT NEED TO DO AN EIR. THAT SAVINGS OF $2 MILLION PLUS OR MINUS, UH, EXCUSE ME, $200,000 FOR THE IR PLUS OR MINUS OVER THE COST OF THE PROJECT IS MORE THAN DWARFED BY THE DIFFERENCE IN SERVICE LIFE. AND SO WE DO SEE THAT AS A WAY TO POTENTIALLY SAVE SOME COST, BUT AT THE BENEFIT OF HAVING A STRUCTURE THAT IS USEFUL FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS INSTEAD OF THE NEXT 50 PLUS. OKAY. ONE MORE, ONE MORE QUESTION. SORRY IF I, YEAH. UM, RIGHT NOW IT'S FALLING INTO THE RIVER, UM, AND IT'S SMART'S LIABILITY, RIGHT? IF WE WERE TO, YOU KNOW, THE SMART'S, HAPPY TO GIVE IT TO US, UM, OR SELL IT TO US FOR A DOLLAR, AND THEN IT'S OUR LIABILITY. UM, IF THE THING CONTINUES TO DETERIORATE, LET'S SAY WE'RE LIKE, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO IT, AND IT JUST KEEPS FALLING IN THE RIVER. AT WHAT POINT DOES IT BECOME AN ENVIRONMENTAL HAZARD THAT SOMEONE HAS TO DEAL WITH? I GUESS SUE SOON IS THE ANSWER. AND, AND YES, ALL YOUR STATEMENTS WERE CORRECTED IS A SMART LIABILITY AND NO, WE DON'T WANT IT. CAN, CAN YOU EX PUT A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME AROUND SOON? NO, MAY, YEAH. SO THERE ARE CRESO TREATED PILES IN THE WATER COLUMN RIGHT NOW. THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME, BUT THEY ARE STILL WHAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE CONSIDERED, UM, A CONSTRUCTION MATERIAL YOU CAN'T USE IN CALIFORNIA, RIGHT? I GUESS I'M, I'M JUST SAYING LIKE, THERE'S, THERE'S NO, UH, NO DRIVER FOR US TO, YOU KNOW, LIKE THAT'S WHAT I'M, I'M KIND OF GETTING AT, RIGHT? LIKE IT'S JUST GONNA KEEP GOING. AND THEN AT SOME POINT, LIKE, WHAT ARE WE GONNA HAVE TO LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE FILE A SUIT AGAINST SMART TO CLEAN UP THEIR BROKE BROKEN TRESTLE. UM, LIKE, IS THAT, IS THAT, LIKE, IS THAT LITERALLY THE PATH OTHER THAN US TAKING IT OVER AND TAKING OVER THIS LIABILITY, I GUESS IS MY, MY QUESTION? I THINK, I THINK THERE'S A PATH THROUGH A PARTNERSHIP AND, AND I WOULD HOPE THAT'S WHERE THIS GOES. OF COURSE, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT. I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. YEAH, THANKS. UM, BRIAN, RIGHT NOW, I THINK, UH, OUR, OUR OBJECTIVE IS TO FIND OUT WHETHER WE HAVE THE, UM, DIRECTION TO PROCEED WITH THIS, GIVEN THE, THE DECISIONS IN FRONT OF US TONIGHT. UM, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I DID WANT TO ASK TO FOLLOW UP THERE IS THAT IN, IN THE REPORT IT SAYS IT'S MORE OR LESS A REQUEST FOR $500,000 TO COMPLETE THE DESIGN. AND, UH, DO WE FEEL CONFIDENT WE CAN ACTUALLY COMPLETE THE DESIGN WITH THE YEAR BY THE END OF THE YEAR? YEAH. AND WHAT IS THE END OF THE YEAR? IS THAT DECEMBER? OR IS THAT JUNE? YEAH, NO. SO TO CLARIFY, UM, WITH THAT FUNDING APPROVED AND A CLEAR DIRECTION ON OPTION, WE WOULD BE APPLYING FOR JURISDICTIONAL PERMITS IN FEBRUARY 26 WITH ROUGHLY A 60% DESIGN, [02:50:01] AND THEN WOULD BE PROCEEDING TO COMPLETE DESIGN IN THE MONTHS THEREAFTER. SO NOT BY END OF THE YEAR, EITHER WAY. PARDON ME? NOT BY THE END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR. OH, NO. UH, END OF FISCAL YEAR. YOU THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE REPORT BY JUNE 26TH. IS THAT REASONABLE? AND, AND THEN THERE'S THE PART THAT'S BEYOND, THAT'S NEEDED BEYOND THAT PIECE TOO. UM, AND, AND, UM, SO TH THAT LEADS ME TO THINKING WE WANT TO DO ALL OF OUR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. WE WANNA START IN AUGUST AND, AND RUN HARD, BUT IT REQUIRES ALL THE, UM, JURISDICTIONAL DISCUSSIONS TO BE ADVANCED BY THAT POINT. UM, AND THERE MUST BE LIKE PRE-APPLICATION CONVERSATIONS. YOU HOLD, UH, THINGS AND SO THE PUBLIC MEETINGS CAN HAVE THE BENEFIT OF ALL. AND AND DO YOU FEEL CONFIDENT YOU CAN HOLD THE MEETINGS IN AUGUST? CAN YOU REALLY GET INTO A FEDERAL AGENCY THESE DAYS AND, AND GET AN ANSWER AND, AND BE, IS THAT, SO IS THAT, ARE WE STANDING BY THAT PLAN? WE MIGHT START GETTING A READ AT THAT POINT. NO, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE, WE'RE NOT. I, NO, WE CERTAINLY WON'T HAVE A PERMIT. BUT COULD WE EVEN GET FIRST PASS OF CON YOU KNOW, WITH CONFIDENCE? AMY, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE DURATION FOR A PRE-APPLICATION MEETING MEETING? SO I THINK WE HAVE PROBABLY ENOUGH INFORMATION NOW TO REQUEST AT LEAST A PRE-APPLICATION MEETING. IN MY EXPERIENCE, IT'S HARD TO GET AGENCIES ALL TOGETHER ON ONE DAY. SO THAT MIGHT BE THREE PRE-APPLICATION MEETINGS, ALL THE DIFFERENT AGENCIES. UM, SO I THINK WE'LL AT LEAST HAVE A INITIAL SENSE OF WHERE THEY WANNA TAKE IT. THE MOST CRITICAL PATH ITEMS ARE GOING TO BE THE NATIONAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION ACT, COMPLIANCE WITH THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS IN SHIPPO. UM, WE HAVE SOME LEGWORK WE NEED TO DO SOME REPORTS TO COMPLETE IN ORDER TO ALLOW THAT TO MOVE FORWARD. AND, UM, ENDANGERED SPECIES ACT COMPLIANCE FOR JUST THE CONSTRUCTION WORKING IN THE RIVER WITH ALL THE FISH. UM, SO THOSE ARE THE TWO BIG SCHEDULED DRIVERS. AND THE ENDANGERED SPECIES ACT, UM, PROCESS IS TYPICALLY AT LEAST SIX MONTHS, SIX TO NINE MONTHS. UM, ONCE WE SUBMIT THOSE, THAT APPLICATION, UM, THE NATIONAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION ACT SOMETIMES CAN BE QUICKER THAN THAT, BUT THIS IS A PRETTY COMPLEX PROJECT AND IT'S GONNA TAKE A LOT OF STAKEHOLDER INVOLVEMENT TO COME TO AGREEMENT ON, UH, A MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT IS TYPICALLY WHAT'S REQUIRED FOR THAT. AND I WOULD SAY THAT THAT'S MORE LIKE NINE TO 12 MONTHS AT A MINIMUM. THAT'S MY, OKAY. 30 YEARS EXPERIENCE. MM-HMM. IDEAS? WE KIND OF GOT A LATE ROUND OF QUESTIONS THERE. UM, BUT ANYBODY HAVE SENTIMENT THEY WANT TO, UH, WEIGH IN, COMMENT, FEEDBACK, OR ALLOW ME TO SUGGEST WHAT WE OUGHT TO BE TRYING TO FOCUS OUR COMMENTS ON, WHICH IS, UM, WHICH OPTION AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IF WE CHOOSE AN OPTION? WE KNOW THAT IS NOT 2013, IT'S NOT AS HISTORIC WILL BE. ARE WE OKAY WITH THAT LEVEL PROCEEDING AHEAD? UM, OR, OR YOUR VIEW ON, ON THAT? 'CAUSE I'M THINKING THAT THE ISSUE OF THE FENDER PILES, THE RAILS NOT BEING THERE, THOSE ARE THINGS WE KIND OF WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS, AND THIS IS OUR LAST MEETING, PROBABLY BEFORE PUBLIC MEETINGS AND BEFORE REVIEW AT AGENCIES. LETS US, IN THE END HAVE A STRAW POLL ON THIS, BUT HOW DO WE FEEL ABOUT PROCEEDING WITH, UH, OPTION TWO, HOW, HOWEVER YOU WANNA PHRASE IT. SO WHO WANTS TO WEIGH IN ON THAT COUNCIL MEMBER DE CARLY? UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE TRET WILL BE AS, AS CLOSE TO WHAT IT IS AS POSSIBLE. UM, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE I LIKE ONE OF THE OPTIONS VERY MUCH, BUT I THINK OF THE FOUR, I THINK ONE IS THE CLOSEST TO IT. UM, I DO LIKE SEEING THE STRINGERS ON THE DECK. UM, I THINK THAT ADDS ARCHITECTURALLY TO IT. I THINK THAT MAKES IT LOOK MUCH MORE NICER AND AESTHETICALLY PLEASING. YOU KNOW, UM, I AM NOT HAPPY TO SEE THAT THE RAILS HAVE BEEN REMOVED. UM, I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT THE RAILS COULD STAY AND THAT THE DECK COULD BE BROUGHT UP TO THE HEIGHT OF THE RAILHEAD, UM, TO KEEP IT FLUSH. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAD, YOU KNOW, UM, MARRIED POORLY YEARS AGO, SHE PROTECTED THE TRACKS ON, ON THE SOUTH END OF TOWN DOWN FIRST STREET. AND THEN I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS HER TOO INVOLVED IN WATER STREET KEEPING THOSE AS WELL. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE KEPT ALL OF THE TRACK AROUND IT AND I THINK TO REMOVE IT, UM, TAKES AWAY FROM THAT HISTORIC CHARACTER AND OUR HERITAGE. UM, ANOTHER THING TOO IS THAT I DON'T THINK MOST PEOPLE REALIZE THERE, YOU KNOW, THE PNSR PETALUMA, SANTA ROSA RAILROAD USED TO HAVE A SET OF ELECTRIC TROLLEYS AND THERE'S STILL TWO IN EXISTENCE. AND I KNOW THAT FOR YEARS THERE WAS A GROUP PETAL IN TROLLEY AND I TRIED TO BRING THAT BACK AND BE ABLE TO DO SMALL LITTLE TOURIST EXCURSIONS [02:55:01] JUST UP AND DOWN THE RIVER THERE. I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WILL EVER BE POSSIBLE AGAIN. UM, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY WITH THE CURRENT DESIGN, NOT HAVING MUCH OF A LOAD BEARING WEIGHT. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE STAFF, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST PRESENT US WITH THE NUMBERS AS TO WHAT THAT WOULD BE TO BEEF FED UP TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE ONE OF THOSE TROLLEYS AGAIN, BECAUSE I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT FEATURE TO HAVE BACK IN PETALUMA. YOU KNOW, SO MANY PEOPLE COME HERE FOR OUR CULTURE AND OUR HISTORY AND, YOU KNOW, TO SEE WHAT MADE PETALUMA WHAT IT IS. I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT TO LOOK AT BRINGING THE TRESTLE BACK TO AT LEAST BE ABLE TO HANDLE ONE OF THOSE SO THAT IT COULD GO UP AND DOWN AND GIVE PEOPLE RIDES. OKAY. UM, COUNCIL MEMBER SREB, DID I SEE YOUR HAND? UM, YEAH, SO, UH, LET ME JUST, UH, PREMISE THIS WITH A COUPLE THINGS. UM, THERE'S SOME OTHER THINGS WE COULD DO FOR, UM, KEEPING OUR HISTORICAL ASPECTS OF IT, BESIDES JUST REBUILDING IT AS IS. UM, SO THERE IS, WE DO HAVE THE OYSTER COVE AND THE OYSTER SHED THERE, WHICH IT COULD BE BECOME PARTLY A MUSEUM FOR, UH, OUR HISTORY FOR THE, BOTH THE RAIL AND FOR THE SHIPPING. UM, THE ENTIRE, UH, PENINSULA WAS A COMPLETE DOCK AND SHIPPING AREA, UM, THAT WAS COMPLETELY REMOVED. ALL, ALL WITH PRETTY MUCH BEEN REMOVED. SO, UH, WE'VE DONE THESE IN THE PAST. WATER STREET, UH, IS NOW THE, THE WATER STREET BEYOND THE BRIDGE GOING NORTH IS, IS ALL CEMENT RIGHT NOW WITH PILINGS ON IT. UM, I THINK THERE STILL IS RAILINGS IN THE COBBLESTONES THERE. UM, SO WE STILL HAVE THAT IS AVAILABLE, UH, TO USE. SO THE, UM, THE SHORT TERM FIXING, CREATING THE PILES AND TRY TO LIKE THE 20 13, 20 YEAR, I TOTALLY AGREE IT IS, UM, UNACCEPTABLE FOR A LONGEVITY. UM, IF THAT'S WHAT, THEN YOU HAVE TO REDO IT AGAIN. YOU HAVE TO PULL IT DOWN AND REBUILD IT AGAIN IN 20 YEARS. NOT ACCEPTABLE AT ALL. UH, DON'T, DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT DOING THAT IS WHAT I WOULD SAY. THEN THE, FOR LONGEVITY, I'D GO WITH 75 YEARS, UH, IT'S 50% LONGER LONGEVITY. SO FINANCIALLY, IF I'M DOING MORTGAGES AND FUNDING, THIS IS, IF I CAN GET 50% MORE LIFE OUTTA SOMETHING, IT'S WORTH MORE THAN 25%, 50% COST UPFRONT. SO I'M, I'M GONNA GO WITH ALL 75 AS MY RECOMMENDED MATERIAL TO THE HIGHEST LEVEL POSSIBLE. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING FOR. THE ACTUAL HEIGHT FOR SEA LEVEL RISE. I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE ACTUAL HEIGHT OF THE DECKING MAINTAINING. WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT IS THE ACTUAL UNDERNEATH IT, THE PILINGS THAT WILL BE THERE AND THE LANDSCAPE, WHICH IS GOING TO HAVE MORE SURGES UP AND DOWN, STRONGER SURGES UP AND DOWN. SO IT'S ACTUALLY THE LANDSCAPE BEHIND IT AND UNDER IT THAT I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT. FOR SEA LEVEL RISE, THAT'S GOTTA BE ENGINEERED MUCH BETTER THAN JUST PUTTING PILINGS IN AND KEEPING WHAT WE HAVE. WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS NOT GONNA WORK 'CAUSE IT'S GONNA FALL APART WITHIN 50 YEARS. SO, SO THAT HAS TO BE WORKED ON, WHICH MAY BE EVEN MORE COSTLY THAN THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE ITSELF. SO I WANT, I WANT THAT ENGINEERED IN PRESENTATION ALSO OF HOW WE'RE GONNA DEFEND AGAINST THESE WILL RISE AGAINST THE ACTUAL LAND, NOT THE BRIDGE ITSELF, NOT THE PILINGS, BUT THE ACTUAL LAND BEHIND IT. DEFER EROSION CONTROL. HOW ARE WE GONNA MANAGE THAT THEN ON, UM, AS FAR AS COST SAVINGS, I DON'T THINK THE 500 FOOT LONG AT THAT COST IS GOING TO BE, UH, FUNDABLE OR LONGEVITY. SO AT LEAST IN PHASES. AND I WOULD RECOMMEND MYSELF A COMPLETE REDESIGN AND PURPOSE. THE ORIGINAL DESIGN, I THOUGHT WHEN IT WAS FIRST PRESENTED, I THOUGHT THAT THE, FROM THE MILL TO THE YACHT CLUB WAS GOING TO BE A PLAZA, NOT A WALKWAY, A PLAZA WITH ALL SORTS OF EVENTS HAPPENING THAT WOULD BE EXTENDED OUT IN, IN, IN A VERY LARGE AREA. NOT A WALKWAY. THE WALKWAY WOULD JUST BE THE MILL. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT WAS THE ORIGINAL PRESENTATION I, I SAW, I REMEMBER. SO I WANNA GO BACK TO THAT AND SAY, NO, WE DON'T NEED A SECOND. WE HAVE A WALKWAY FROM THE, THE MILL TO THE YACHT CLUB. WE DON'T NEED A SECOND WALKWAY. IT'S TOTALLY USELESS. SO THAT HAS NO PURPOSE. NOPE. AND I SAY ABSOLUTELY NOT, UH, THAT THING. SO I'VE JUST COMPLETELY REMOVED THAT WHOLE SECTION ENTIRELY. WHAT WE COULD DO IS MAINTAIN THE LAST 10 FEET BY THE YACHT CLUB, KEEP YOUR WHOLE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE, LEAVE IT THERE, AND PUT A HISTORICAL MARKER THERE. AND LET'S GUARANTEE, LET'S HAVE HISTORY RIGHT THERE. YEAH, THERE WAS A TRESTLE HERE, THERE'S THE TRESTLE, IT'S STILL WOOD, IT'S STILL THE ORIGINAL ONE. A HUNDRED YEARS OLD. LET'S KEEP IT, LET'S KEEP 10 FEET OF IT. THAT'S, THAT'S A HISTORICAL PART OF IT. SO AT LEAST WE KEEP THAT HISTORY PART OF IT. UM, AS FAR AS THE RAILINGS, SO IF THE RAILINGS WE, AND THERE'S RAILINGS WE CAN DIG OUT OF D STREET THAT ARE, THAT WHEN WE PULL THE THING OUT, THERE'S OLD RAILROADS SECTIONS WE'RE NOT DOING HERE. SO WE'D ACTUALLY PULL OUT A BUNCH MORE RAILINGS TO MAKE MORE METAL ON THE RAILINGS AND THE SIDINGS. SO THAT STILL WOULD BE WORK THEN. UH, WHAT I'D RECOMMEND IS A REDESIGN. WE WOULD DO A, UM, THE STRINGERS IS THE ONLY THING THAT COULD PRETTY MUCH BE SAVED. SO I'D SAY REMOVE EVERYTHING. EVERYTHING'S GOTTA GET REMOVED ANYWAY, 'CAUSE IT MAY BE THE LAST 10 FEET BY THE ODD CLUB AND THEN WE THEN SAVE IT. [03:00:01] THEN THE SUGARS THAT COULD BE USED, PROBABLY 50% OF THEM, UH, USE THAT TO BUILD. THERE'S ABOUT 200 FEET FROM THE BRIDGE, BAHR BRIDGE TO THE MILL. USE THAT 200 FOOT SECTION, REBUILD THE STRINGERS, USE THE STRINGERS IN THERE, PUT IN CEMENT STRUCTURES OR STEEL STRUCTURES THAT ARE GONNA BE 75 YEARS THAT LOOK LIKE THE PILINGS. NOW KEEP THAT THE SAME, IS WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND. AND THEN, UM, INSTEAD OF A HUGE PLAZA, 'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE NOT FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE EITHER. UM, LET'S MAKE A SMALL PLAZA AT THE END OF B STREET. THERE'S AN AREA THAT'S ALREADY A SMALL LITTLE PLAZA AREA THAT PEOPLE DO USE. CAN WE EXTEND THAT OUT? MAYBE EXPAND THAT OUT, MAYBE EVEN 15 FEET OR MORE 17 FEET THERE AS AN ACTUAL STAGING AREA FOR A LARGER EVENT THAT WE COULD DO. SO THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL INTENT THAT WE'D ACTUALLY HAVE EVENTS, NOT JUST A WALKWAY. SO WE NEED TO HAVE AN EVENT AREA THAT WOULD BE PROGRAMMED THAT, THAT WE COULD PUT ON FOOD TRUCKS AND STAGES AND, UM, CEREMONIES AND THE LIKE. SO I'D SAY TAKE, TAKE THE, THE, UM, THE B STREET A THAT CIRCLE AND JUST COMPLETELY EXTEND THAT OUT. 20 FEET CEMENT, WHATEVER IT TAKES TO HAVE A FULL STAGE HEAVY DUTY USE. AND THEN JUST DO, AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SE EXACTLY 17 FEET ON THE WALKWAY BETWEEN THE MILL AND THE BRIDGE, THAT SECTION THERE, IT NEEDS TO BE HAVE EVERYTHING TO A DA, THE BICYCLE AND EVERYTHING. SO AS LONG AS IT LOOKS LIKE SINCERE REBUILDING THE WHOLE THING ANYWAY FROM SCRATCH, AS LONG AS IT LOOKS LIKE FINE, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE 17 FEET TO SEE ACCOMMODATE THE SAME DISTANCE. UM, AND WE STILL HAVE LOTS OF SIGNAGE, SO I'D SAY WE REDUCE THE PROJECT DOWN, CHANGE IT UP, REDUCE COSTS, MAKE IT LONG TERM, AND THEN WE CAN TALK AGAIN AT THIS POINT. SO THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION TO CHANGE UP THE WHOLE THING AT THIS POINT, UH, AND START WITH A REDESIGN WITH THIS CONCEPT I'M TALKING ABOUT WHERE, SEE IF THERE'S AGREEMENT, SEE IF THAT WOULD WORK AS WELL AS TALKING WITH EVERYONE ELSE. AND THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AT THAT POINT. BUT RIGHT NOW DOING A WALKWAY ACROSS, UM, IS UNTENABLE IN ANY CONDITION. AND I'D SAY SCRAP THE WHOLE PROJECT RIGHT NOW AS IT IS, AS YOU, WHAT YOU'RE PRESENTING. START OVER FROM SCRATCH. THANK YOU. I'VE BEEN TRYING TO KEEP NOTES OF ALL THAT. THAT'S QUITE A, QUITE A RUNDOWN THERE. BUT, UM, I, I DO SUGGEST THAT, THAT IT BECOMES A SLIDE AT THE PUBLIC OUTREACH AS WE DO SO WE CAN SHOW LIKE WHAT THE RANGE OF, OF OPTIONS ARE. UM, AND, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, QUINT, YOU WANNA WEIGH IN? THANK YOU. UM, YOU KNOW, I, I, I LIKE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER DE CARLY'S, UM, YOU KNOW, HIS THOUGHTS AND IDEAS ON, YOU KNOW, IF THERE WAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVITALIZE A, A TROLLEY, UM, YOU KNOW, A WORKING TROLLEY THAT WAS RUNNING UP AND DOWN THE RIVER, LIKE, I, I THINK THAT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, A WONDERFUL THING. UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S BEYOND OUR, OUR CAPABILITIES AND OUR STRETCH. AND SO, UM, BE, BECAUSE I I, I REALLY DON'T THINK WE'RE EVER GONNA BE ABLE TO RECREATE THAT. UM, I TEND, UM, I TEND TO LEAN TOWARDS THE, UH, CREATING SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA LAST LONGER. THE, UM, THE FACT THAT YOU MENTIONED, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE 75 YEARS, REALLY 50% LONGER LIFESPAN FOR, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A FEW PERCENT MORE. AND I, AND I, AND I THINK THAT ONCE THIS IS BUILT, THE PILINGS UNDERNEATH ARE, UH, THEY, THEY MAY BE VISIBLE FROM THE WATER. MOST OF THE PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE LOOKING AT THIS FROM THE LAND, AND THEY'RE REALLY NOT GONNA BE A VISIBLE A, UM, YOU KNOW, A REAL VISIBLE PART OF THIS PROJECT. UM, SO MY FIRST CHOICE WOULD BE, UH, THE 75 YEAR OPTION. AND I, I WOULD, UM, AND I WOULD LEAVE THE, THE, I I WOULD DEFER TO THE ARCHITECTS AND THE DESIGNERS FOR EXCEPTIONAL ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN, UH, OF THE PLATFORM. THANK YOU. AND TRY TO BUILD IN THE HISTORY FOR SURE. THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR. UM, THANK YOU. UM, YES, I, UM, TOTALLY AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLY AND HIS IDEA OF KEEPING THE RAILS THERE. ONLY BECAUSE, UM, WHEN THE THEATER DISTRICT WAS BEING DESIGNED, THE COUNCIL DECIDED TO KEEP THE RAILS THERE. THE COBBLESTONES WE DISCOVERED IS A TRIPPING HAZARD, BUT, UM, IT DOES PRESERVE THAT HISTORY AND AS MUCH HISTORY AS WE CAN PRESERVE. AND I REALLY THINK THAT THE, UM, PUBLIC NEEDS A VISUAL. I KEEP SAYING THAT IF IT'S NOT, UM, A, A A FINANCIAL [03:05:01] GOAL, THEN WHAT OUR STEPS ARE, WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE STAKEHOLDERS, WE'RE GONNA INVITE CHRISTOPHER, WE'RE GONNA INVITE THE WE WOMEN'S CLUB MEMBERS WHO HAVE RAISED MONEY, WHICH WE NEED AN MOU FOR THAT MONEY THAT THEY'VE RAISED TOWARDS THE PROJECT. UM, AND LET THE COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS AS PROPERTY OWNERS COME TO THE TABLE, HAVE DISCUSSION AND LET US HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY ON WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE. UM, WE USED THIS DURING THE NINETIES. WE JUST PUT PLYWOOD DOWN FOR THE, FOR THE RIVER FESTIVAL. I'M NOT SURE HOW WE GOT AWAY WITH IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS WONDERFUL AND PEOPLE REALLY ENJOYED IT JUST WALKING UP AND DOWN. WE DIDN'T HAVE THE ACTIVITIES GOING ON. IT WAS JUST A, A WALKWAY JUST SO THEY COULD GET OUT INTO, BECAUSE THE RESTAURANTS HAVE, YOU KNOW, IT GETS CROWDED IN THERE AND YOU DON'T WANT BICYCLES AND PEDESTRIANS. IT GETS REALLY KIND OF DANGEROUS. BUT WE USED IT. WE WALKED IT FOR THE RIVER FESTIVAL AND THEY COULD LISTEN TO BANDS PLAYING, UM, THE THEATER DISTRICT WASN'T THERE, AND YOU COULD SEE WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THE RIVER WITH THE RIVER RAF REGATTA. SO, UM, I TOTALLY, I REALLY LIKED THE OPTION TO, BUT I'M OPEN TO WHAT MY COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE AND THE COMMUNITY HAVE IDEAS ON. THANKS. OKAY. AND COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE. THANKS. UM, SO I LOVE THE CHARLIE IDEA TOO. UM, UNFORTUNATELY WHEN WE REDID THE FIRST AND F STREET BRIDGE, I THINK WE, UM, AT LEAST LIMITED IT FROM BEING ABLE TO GO ALL THE WAY UP TO SEVERAL PLACES ON FIRST STREET. YEAH, YEAH. I THINK WE, UM, IT JUST WAS COST PROHIBITIVE AT EVERY STEP. AND WE WERE, UM, TRYING TO PINCH PENNIES TO FIX A, A DILAPIDATED BRIDGE AT THAT POINT. UM, I FEEL LIKE IF WE'RE GONNA BE SPENDING THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS, IT'S A PIECE OF INFRASTRUCTURE. AND INFRASTRUCTURE SHOULD PROBABLY OUTLIVE EVERYBODY WHO'S ALIVE IN THE CITY TODAY. UM, SO I LEAN TOWARDS THE 75 YEAR, UM, VERSION. UM, I FEEL LIKE IT'S FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE. UM, THE, THE IDEA THAT WE'RE GONNA SPEND $12 MILLION ON SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE REQUIRING SIGNIFICANT MAINTENANCE WITHIN 20 YEARS BEFORE I'M DEAD FEELS, UH, IRRESPONSIBLE. I WANT TO USE THAT MONEY TO FIX THE MCNAIR GRANDSTAND AND, UH, DO OTHER THINGS. UM, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M, UH, I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER REB SAID. UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, SCRAP EVERYTHING, BUT I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE IMPLICATIONS ARE OF A, OF A MORE MODIFIED VERSION, UM, THAT IS, YOU KNOW, FUNCTIONALLY ACTIVATES THE WATERFRONT. AND, UM, BECAUSE I, I THINK, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO SAID IT, BUT LIKE, I THINK THAT THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO EXPERIENCE THIS FROM THE DECK OF THE TRESTLE. UM, AND THEREFORE THE, THE, LIKE, THE CREATIVITY OF THE DESIGN AND THE, THE EDUCATIONAL FEATURES IS LIKE HOW WE REALLY CELEBRATE THE HISTORY OF IT. UM, SO THAT'S MY, MY THOUGHT. I SAY THAT, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CONCERNS ME IS LITIGATION. UM, NOT US LITIGATING SMART OVER THE THING DETERIORATING IN, BUT, UM, THE COUNCIL WANTING TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS FINANCIALLY ACHIEVABLE, UM, FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE AND, UM, BEING SUED AND WINDING UP IN COURT BECAUSE, UM, IT'S NOT HISTORICAL ENOUGH. THAT IS ONE OF MY CONCERNS. AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, LIKE, UM, I WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT SOON ENOUGH TOO, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO GET US CAUGHT UP IN, UH, LITIGATION ON SOMETHING WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, DEAL WITH BLIGHT ON OUR WATERFRONT AND, UM, AND DO, YOU KNOW, DO SOME HISTORIC, UH, PRESERVATION OR HISTORIC ACKNOWLEDGEMENT. I DON'T KNOW, UM, AT WHAT POINT IT BECOMES TRYING TO ACTIVATE THE WATERFRONT VERSUS, YOU KNOW, TRULY PRESERVING SOMETHING. 'CAUSE I REALIZE WE'RE ACTUALLY RIPPING IT OUT. UM, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE OTHER THING. UM, I'LL SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF TALK ABOUT DESIGN HERE, I THINK, BUT FOR THOSE OF US UP HERE IS WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO PAY FOR IT. UM, AND, UH, JUST GOING TO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UM, IT'S JUST LIKE IF WE WANT TO HAVE NICE THINGS, UH, WE'VE GOTTA BE ABLE TO PAY FOR 'EM. AND, UM, GOING BACK TO THE OVERLAY, UH, THE THREE PARCELS IN THE OVERLAY GENERATED $282,000 A YEAR FOR THE CITY IN VALUE. THAT'S JUST, YOU CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS LIKE THIS IF YOUR PRIME REAL ESTATE ISN'T DOING ITS JOB. UM, I SAY THAT OVER AND OVER AGAIN, UM, AND I'M GONNA [03:10:01] KEEP SAYING IT UNTIL I'M BLUE IN THE FACE, BUT I WANT NICE THINGS LIKE THIS. UM, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PAY FOR 'EM. AND WHEN YOU MAKE A PUBLIC SECTOR INVESTMENT, YOU WANT THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO BE THERE TO INVEST TOO, SO THAT YOU SEE THE RETURNS. UM, THAT'S GOOD CITY PLANNING. UM, AND, UH, SO I THINK I'VE GIVEN MY, MY FEEDBACK OF WHAT, WHAT'S NEEDED. UM, ANYTHING THAT I LEFT OFF, I'LL, UH, CHIME IN. OKAY. SO, UM, I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS THE, THE WOMEN'S CLUB. WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE WOMEN'S CLUB OFFER TO COLLECT MONEY, BUT I THINK TONIGHT'S MEETING IS TO FIND OUT WHETHER WE HAVE A PROJECT, AND I MEAN, YOU NEVER, NEVER COLLECT PEOPLE'S PRIVATE MONEY TOWARDS A PROJECT UNTIL YOU KNOW YOU HAVE A PROJECT. SO, UM, I'M NOT TOO WORRIED ABOUT AN MOU ON SOMETHING THAT, UH, WE'RE STILL WISHING AND HOPE AND THAT WE FIND THE MONEY TO DO THE ORIGINAL WORK HERE AS COUNCIL MEMBER BARNELL WAS JUST MENTIONING, UM, UH, I'M REAL HIGH ON THE VALUE OF THIS FROM A VARIETY OF REASONS. ONE HISTORIC, BUT ALSO THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION, UH, UH, SIDE OF IT THERE. I, I THINK IT, UM, PROVIDES US A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE ENGAGED ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION, WHICH IS WHY MY THOUGHTS ARE MORE THAT WE'VE BEEN WALKING AWAY FROM THE RAIL PHYSICALLY IN MANY PLACES. I LIKE THE IDEA OF COMMEMORATING IT IN, IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER. AND SO, UM, UM, I I WOULD, I WOULD BE IN THAT OPTION TWO, BUT I THINK WHAT WE FIGURED OUT ON COUNCIL ALONE AND CERTAINLY IN PUBLIC, IS WE'LL NEED TO TELL THE PUBLIC WHAT EACH OPTION MEANS IN TERMS OF HISTORIC AND WHETHER YOU KNOW, WHICH, WHICH ONE COULDN'T GET PERMITTED REALLY IS, WAS, WAS WHAT WE'RE SAYING, UM, BE IT, BE IT STEEL OR, OR, OR TIMBER. UM, AND BE IT ACCURATE IN SCALE OR NOT ACCURATE IN THE SCALE. UM, CERTAINLY IN REGARDS TO THE DESIGN AND, AND, UH, BID DOCUMENTS, I SUGGESTED THE A HUNDRED PERCENT IS THE PROJECT WE GO FOR. UM, IF IN THE PROCESS WE CAN HAVE A BID ALTERNATE OR WE CAN HAVE A BID HALF, UH, PROJECT LIKE , BUT THE ENGINEERING SHOULD PROCEED ON THE BASIS OF YOU DESIGN THE WHOLE THING. AND, AND IN THE GRANT HUNT, WE'RE GONNA FIND OUT REALLY IN THE REPORT, AND I APPRECIATE THIS IS A TON. IT SAYS THIS IS NOT GONNA BE FUNDED BY LOCAL MONEY. I MEAN, THAT WAS REAL CLEAR. SO WE'LL BE IN THE GRANT HUNT FOR THIS OR NOT AT ALL. UM, BUT I'VE BEEN HEARING ALL SORTS OF CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK FOR THE, THE TRESTLE TONIGHT. AND, UM, I'M HOPING THAT IS SUPPORT FOR FUNDING IT. BUT WE DIDN'T REALLY SAY THAT. AND, AND I KNOW, UH, I APPRECIATED GINA'S COMMENT THERE, UM, THAT, UM, THERE'S A ROLE FOR SMART AND A RESPONSIBILITY FOR SMART AND AT THE RIGHT TIME THAT WILL ALL COME TO THE SURFACE. BUT THERE'S THE ROLE AND RESPONSIBILITY OF US TAKING CARE OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, PUTTING MONEY IN THE RIGHT PLACES. AND, UM, AND WHILE I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A GREAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO DO THIS IN TOWN, AND WE'LL BRING, UM, MORE FOLKS IN TOWN AND PEOPLE HAVE A BETTER EXPERIENCE IN TOWN, I, I LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE, KEEP THINKING, HOW CAN WE, AND I'M THE NUMBER ONE CHEERLEADER. I I'M THE, I'M NOT SURE THAT ANYBODY ELSE WAS ON THIS, UH, COUNCIL WHEN WE DID THAT PRIORITY ROUND WHEN WE FIRST GOT IT. WERE YOU ON THAT ONE TOO? OKAY. WHERE WE HAD 5 0 7 COUNCIL PEOPLE SAY, NO, THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE, THAT WAS THE HIGHEST VOTING GOAL IN THE CITY THAT YEAR. UM, BUT HOW CAN I SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, DOING THIS IF WE'RE NOT GETTING THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, GROWTH REVENUE TAX BASIS THAT WE NEED IN TOWN, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WILL FIND OURSELVES NEEDING TO SPEND MORE AND MORE MONEY ON BASIC SAFETY SERVICES UNLESS WE GROW. AND SO THIS HAS TO BE TIED TO, UM, THINGS IN TOWN HAVE TO GROW, THINGS GET MORE EXPENSIVE, THE REVENUE HAS TO GROW. UM, SO I'D LIKE, UH, EVERYBODY TO WEIGH IN. WHETHER WE SHOULD ASK STAFF TO LOOK FOR THE 500,000 RIGHT NOW AND COME BACK WITH A PROPOSAL, WE'LL SEE BUDGET AGAIN SHORTLY, THAT WHICH WILL GIVE STAFF A CHANCE TO SAY, YES, THERE'S MONEY, OR NO, THERE'S NO MONEY. BUT IF WE ASK STAFF TO DO THAT, IT MEANS TAKE SOME MONEY OUTTA SOMETHING ELSE, MAKE A HARD DECISION THAT IN FACT THIS IS A TOP PRIORITY. SO DO WE FEEL LIKE WE WANT TO ASK STAFF TO HUNT FOR THE, TO, TO FUND WHAT WE'VE GOT A GREAT REPORT ON NOW? DROP HOLE OR COMMENTS? COMMENTS? I, I HAVE A COMMENT. UM, I MEAN, I REALLY THINK THAT STAFF SHOULD FIND THE MONEY TO DO THIS. I THINK THAT THIS HAS BEEN A 20 PLUS YEAR PROJECT THAT I THINK WE REALLY OWE IT TO OUR COMMUNITY AND EVERYBODY HERE IN OUR TOWN TO FIND THAT MONEY AND GET THIS JOB DONE. [03:15:01] UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I, I'VE, YOU KNOW, NOTHING AGAINST IT, BUT WE FOUND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO PUT IN A BRAND NEW SKATE PARK, YOU KNOW, AND, AND SOMEHOW THAT HAPPENED BEFORE THE TRESTLE, WHICH IS AN OVER 20 YEAR PROJECT AGAIN. SO I, I THINK WE REALLY OWE IT TO THE TOWN TO FIND THE MONEY, MAKE IT LOOK AS NICE AS POSSIBLE, AS HISTORIC AS POSSIBLE, AND DO IT RIGHT. YEAH, WE, UM, THERE WAS A LOT MORE, UH, OUTSIDE MONEY RUNNING AROUND WHEN WE STARTED THE SKATE PARK. AND, AND, UH, AND, AND THANK GOD OUR STAFF IS SO SUCCESSFUL AT BRINGING NEW MONEY IN, BRINGING GRANT MONEY IN. RIGHT. AND THEY'RE VERY GOOD AT IT TOO. IT'S, THEY'RE TALENTED AT IT. SO I, I HAVE ALL THE FAITH IN THE WORLD THAT THEY CAN FIND IT. COUNCIL MEMBER QUINN STRAW POLL. ALL RIGHT. ARE WE READY FOR STRAW POLL ON THIS? I MEAN, I MEAN, LET'S START WITH THE OPTION, I THINK, RIGHT? I THINK, UM, IN IT WAS MY SENSE THAT WE COULDN'T AGREE ON AN OPTION AND THAT WE NEEDED THE PUBLIC INPUT ON WHETHER HISTORICALLY WE COULD GO WITH, UM, THE 75 YEAR LIFE OR WHETHER WE RUN IN THE BUZZ SAW OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND, UH, NEEDING TIMBER AT THE PUBLIC LEVEL. I DON'T THINK WE MAKE THE DESIGN DETERMINATION TILL AFTER THE PERMIT CONVERSATIONS AFTER THE PUBLIC. THE, SO THAT WOULD BE MY STRAW POLL QUESTION. YEAH, I, I AGREE WITH THAT. THAT WE NEED, WE NEED MORE INPUT BEFORE WE CHOOSE THE DESIGN, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO GET THE FUNDING GOING NOW AND MORE INPUT, MEANING THE PERMIT, UM, DETAILS WERE SORTED OR, YOU KNOW, FIRST, FIRST ROUND DISCUSSIONS WITH THOSE SO THAT WE CAN HOLD PUBLIC MEETINGS AND THEN FIND OUT WHAT THE CONSTRAINTS ARE ON US OR THE, IM, YOU KNOW, THE IMPLICATIONS OF THOSE PERMITTING COUNCIL MEMBER. NOW, UM, AS SUPERVISOR RABBIT POINTED OUT IN HIS EMAIL TODAY, FUNDS AND GRANTS ARE GONNA BE HARD TO COME BY. WE MIGHT DO A COMMUNITY OUTREACH TO SEE HOW MUCH, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THE WOMEN'S CLUB HAS RAISED. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE WILLING TO PUT UP. I MEAN, IT WILL INCREASE THE VALUE OF THEIR PROPERTY. AND WE'VE GOT OTHER ORGANIZATIONS WHO MIGHT WANT TO PUT SOME MONEY IN. WHAT CAN WE GET FROM THE, UH, THE HISTORIC, UM, LEADS THAT WE HAVE. SO I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE HOW MUCH THE COMMUNITY IS WILLING TO PUT TOWARDS THIS PROJECT, NOT JUST THE CITY'S MONEY. SO THAT'S, THAT'S A GREAT, GREAT POINT THAT HAS TO BE IN THOSE PUBLIC MEETINGS. IS THAT A GRANT CHANCE? IS A, IS A, YOU KNOW, A, UH, IT'S A CHANCE A LOCAL MONEY WHO'S WILLING TO, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE MANY PATHS TO OUTSIDE MONEY, BUT WE HAVE TO TELL THE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, WHO'S GONNA STEP UP? THERE'S, THERE'S PARTNERSHIPS OPPORTUNITIES THERE, RIGHT? AND COUNCILMAN BARNACLE, I MEAN, I'M FINE. UM, WHEN WE SEE THE BUDGET, WHAT WAS IT? NEXT MEETING, WE VOTE ON THE FIRST READING OF THE BUDGET, RIGHT? SO YEAH, BRING BACK SOME TRADE OFFS FOR US. UM, I AM RELUCTANT TO SUPPORT MORE MONEY WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT OPTION IT IS, BECAUSE I THINK TO THE, TO COUNCIL MEMBER SRI'S POINT 50% ADDITIONAL LIFETIME CHANGES MY, CHANGES MY PERSPECTIVE ON THIS. LIKE, ARE WE BUILDING SOMETHING FOR 50 YEARS? ARE WE BUILDING IT FOR 75 OR MORE? UM, CHANGES MY PERSPECTIVE ON LIKE HOW MUCH I WANNA PUT TOWARD IT. UH, WHAT'S GONNA BE HISTORIC, HOW, LIKE THE WHAT THE, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH COMMUNITY OUTREACH. UM, I'M RELUCTANT TO JUST LIKE BLINDLY SAY DOUBLE THE BUDGET UNTIL I KNOW MORE ABOUT THAT, I GUESS IS MY POINT. SO LET, LET ME SEE IF I CAN PARAPHRASE THIS AND PUT STAFF ON THE SPOT. UM, HOW MUCH OF THE 500,000 WE'RE SUGGESTING IS IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET WOULD BE EXPENDED AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE PUBLIC, UH, OUTREACH PROCESS? WOULD THERE BE EVEN A HUNDRED K INTO THAT AT THAT POINT? 50 K IN BY THAT POINT? I DON'T THINK I'M COMFORTABLE SPEAKING TO THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY GET BACK TO YOU. YEAH, I'D LOVE YOU TO GET BACK TO ME. UM, THAT WAS A GREAT ANSWER. AND, UM, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE HAD, HOW IS THAT ANSWER SITTING THERE? I THINK, I THINK WE'RE SAYING THERE'S A LOW EXPENDITURE PRIOR TO THE, THE DECISION OF WHICH, SO WE GET IT IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET OR WE, WE, WE HAVE ASKED STAFF TO RUN TO GET US THAT AMOUNT IN OUR, UH, BUDGET PROPOSAL. UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M, I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT I'M VOTING FOR. THIS ISN'T A BUDGET ITEM. UM, IT'S, IT'S A STRAW POLL SAYING THAT WE, UM, SUPPORT THE, UM, PRESENTATION THAT WAS IN FRONT OF US THAT SAYS THAT WE WANNA SEE THAT IT WOULD TAKE 500,000 TO GET THE DESIGN COMPLETE WITHIN THE FISCAL YEAR. YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S IN THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? 500 K IS IN THE BUDGET. NO. SO THERE'S NOTHING IN THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW FOR THE TRESTLE. YEAH, THERE'S 75,000 THAT WAS A CARRYOVER FROM 24 25. [03:20:02] SO THE, THE ADS GENERALLY INCLUDE IT'S REMAINING THAT WE HAVEN'T, THAT THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. THE REQUESTED $500,000 EXTRA COVERS THE FOCUS DIR ADDITIONAL DESIGN AND SURVEYING THE PERMIT FEES, NOT THE PERMIT ASSISTANCE IN PREPARING PERMIT OFFICER THE ACTUAL FEES WHEN THE PERMITS ARE SUBMITTED. AND I THINK THAT'S ABOUT IT. YEAH. SO, AND IN FINAL DESIGN, SO THAT WAS INCLUDED IN AN ORIGINAL CONTRACT. SO THAT'S ENCUMBERED IN WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. WHAT ARE WE, UM, IN THIS, HOW MUCH ARE WE ASKING TO PUT IN THIS COMING YEAR'S BUDGET? THE 500,000? YEAH. OKAY. 500,000 GETS US PLANS AND SPECS. THE END OF THE YEAR, THE END FISCAL YEAR. UH, YEAH. I MEAN, BRING IT AT THE BUDGET WORKS AT THE NEXT BUDGET MEETING AND TELL US WHAT THE TRADEOFFS ARE GONNA BE AND WE'LL MAKE A DECISION THEN. SURE. SOME MEMBERSHIP. YEAH. NO, I'M, I'M NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SUPPORT A HALF MILLION DOLLARS WITH SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T HAVE A BETTER DESIGN ON. SO, UH, I'M GONNA SAY NO UNTIL WE HA SEE A MORE ECONOMICAL DESIGN TO START WITH A WHOLE CONS WHOLE DIFFERENCE CONCEPT PLAN. OKAY. UM, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD WORK. SO I'M GONNA SAY NO RIGHT NOW. SO I GOT A NO AND A YES UNTIL THAT'S DONE. AND A A YES, YES, A YES, YES, A YES, A YES. SO, AND IS THAT A, THAT'S A YES TO SEE IT AT THE BUDGET MEETING? YEAH, WE'LL SEE IT AT THE BUDGET MEETING. OKAY. BECAUSE THEN YOU CAN VOTE NO THEN, RIGHT? SO , THEN I CAN VOTE. NO, THAT'S WHY WE WANNA KNOW THE TRADE OFF. ONCE I KNOW THE TRADE-OFFS, I'LL LET YOU KNOW. , DID WE GET TO WHERE YOU NEEDED US TO BE? OKAY, WAIT, NO, WE DIDN'T GIVE THEM A DESIGN GUIDANCE. THAT WAS LIKE LITERALLY THE, THE CORE THING, RIGHT? I THINK WE CAN, I THINK WE CAN WORK, WE CAN WORK WITH WHAT WE HAVE EXACTLY. RIGHT NOW. WE, NO, I, I, I, I THINK WE GAVE THEM A SPLIT COUNCIL ON WHERE WE WANTED TO GO WITH LONGEVITY, 50 OR 75 AND, AND THERE WAS CONSENSUS THAT 20 WAS THE WRONG NUMBER. BUT, UM, BUT I THINK THAT THE HISTORIC RAMIFICATIONS AND PERMITTING EFFORTS WILL BETTER INFORM OUR DECISION BETWEEN A 50 YEAR AND A 75 YEAR. AND OUR PUBLIC IMPACT WILL GREATLY INFORM WHETHER WE CHOOSE 50 OR 75. AND THEN I GUESS JUST TO PUT A POINT ON THAT, BECAUSE THE BUDGET, EVERYTHING IS IN SCOPE, RIGHT? EVEN THE STUFF THAT'S NOT IN THE BUDGET IS IN SCOPE. UM, I GUESS WE COULD GET A SEVENTH COUNCIL MEMBER'S DECISION ON THE 75 YEARS IN THE BUDGET. RIGHT, BECAUSE IT'S IN SCOPE. I'M, I'M NOT FOLLOWING THAT. COULD YOU PARAPHRASE THAT? I MEAN, WE CAN SAY, YOU KNOW, CONTINGENT ON 75 YEARS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE SUPPORT BUDGET ALLOCATION. DID YOU? OH, YOU CAN SAY THAT. YEAH, SURE. OKAY. UM, THEN, UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION. EXHAUSTIVE. I APOLOGIZE. THE, UH, OTHER ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, WHICH WE ARE [11. Recommendation to Receive a Presentation Pursuant to AB2561 Detailing Workforce Vacancies and Recruitment and Retention Efforts] NOW MOVING TO OUR, UH, COMPLIANCE ASSEMBLY BILL 25 61 REGARDING VACANCIES, RECRUITMENTS, AND RETENTION EFFORTS. AND TO HELP US WITH THIS, WE HAVE LINDA LEE, OUR DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES. GOD, SO BAD EVERYTHING. AND ARE WE READY TO BEGIN HERE? UM, YES, PLEASE. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE A MICROPHONE? YOU'RE ON? OKAY. GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR, HONORABLE COUNCIL MEMBERS, CITY MANAGER FLYNN CITY STAFF AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS. THANK YOU FOR THE PRIVILEGE OF YOUR TIME, MS. LEE. I THINK WE NEED YOU RIGHT INTO THE MICROPHONE. OKAY. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? LITTLE, LITTLE, YES. [03:25:01] OKAY. THANK YOU. SO, ASSEMBLY BILL NUMBER 2 5 6 1 WAS ENACTED DURING 2023, 2024 CALIFORNIA LEGISLATIVE SESSIONS AND ADDED SECTION 3 5 0 2 0.3 TO THE GOVERNMENT CODE. IT IS REQUIRED LOCAL PUBLIC AGENCY TO REPORT ON VACANT POSITIONS AND THE CORRESPONDING VACANCY RATE TO INCREASE TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT. TONIGHT, PRESENTATIONS, WE'LL HIGHLIGHT THIS NEXT SLIDE. THE CITY OF PETALUMA IS A FULL SERVICE CHARTER CITY, WHICH MEANS THAT IT PROVIDES ALL CITY SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITIES AND RESIDENTS. THE CITY HAS A LOCAL FUNDED 4 1 4 0.9 FTE POSITIONS. SUCH SERVICES RANGE FROM PROVIDING LIFE AND STRUCTURE, PROTECTING RESPONSE BUILDING, AND MAINTAINING THE ROADS AND PATHS THAT SUPPORT MOBILITY, PROVIDING CLEAN WATER AND FUNCTIONING SEWER SYSTEMS, AND PROMOTING RECREATION OPPORTUNITIES THROUGH PROGRAM AND PARK MANAGEMENT. IN TOTAL, THE CITY HAS 12 DEPARTMENTS. I'M PLEASED TO SHARE WITH YOU AS OF MAY 1ST, 2025. THE CITY HAS A VACANCY RATE OF 7.47%. THE AVERAGE VACANCY RATE IN THE LOCAL PUBLIC SECTOR RANGES FROM 10% TO 30%. SO 7.47 RATE DEMONSTRATES THE C CITY'S CONTINUED COMMITMENT IN ITS PEOPLE FIRST INVESTMENT. THE POSITION VACANCIES ARE CREATED FOR SEVERAL REASONS, INCLUDING WHEN THERE IS AN INTERNAL MOVEMENT, SUCH AS PROMOTION OR TRANSFER, OR WHEN THE EMPLOYEE LEAVES THE ORGANIZATIONS DUE TO RETIREMENT OR RESIGNATIONS OR INVOLUNTARY TERMINATION. WHEN VACANCY OCCUR, IT IS A HIGH PRIORITY FOR HUMAN RESOURCES AND THE CITY'S HIRING MANAGERS TO FILL VACANT POSITIONS TO ENSURE THE ANNUITIES OF SERVICES, MAINTAIN OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCIES AND MINIMIZE DISRUPTIONS TO DEPARTMENTAL FUNCTIONS. TIMELY RECRUITMENT AND HIRING EFFORTS HELP THE CITY TO SUSTAIN ITS WORKFORCE, MEET THE COMMUNITY NEEDS AND UPHOLD SERVICE STANDARDS, WHILE ALSO PROVIDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR INTERNAL GROWTH AND MOBILITY. ALTHOUGH AB 2 5 6 1 NOW REQUIRES TO PRESENT ANNUALLY ON THE STATUS OF VACANCIES AND EFFORTS TO RECRUIT AND RETAIN STAFF, IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN A PRIORITY FOR DEPARTMENTS TO FILL VACANCIES AS SOON AS REASONABLY POSSIBLE. NEXT SLIDE. HUMAN RESOURCES RECOGNIZE RECRUITMENTS IS ABOUT IDENTIFYING, ATTRACTING, AND HIRING THE RIGHT PEOPLE. AND RETENTION IS ABOUT KEEPING EMPLOYEES ENGAGED, SATISFIED, AND COMMITTED TO THE ORGANIZATION LONG TERM. THIS STRATEGIC ROADMAP ALIGNS THE CITY'S COUNCIL GOAL OF A CITY THAT WORKS FOR EVERYONE. THE OBJECTIVE HERE INCLUDES RECRUITING, HIRING, RETAINING, AND ADVANCING A WORKFORCE THAT IS DIVERSE, REPRESENTATIVE, SKILLED, TALENTED, AND PREPARED TO MEET THE DEMANDS OF A FULL SERVICE CITY. AS ONE PETALUMA AS PART OF OUR PEOPLE FIRST INVESTMENT, HUMAN CAPITAL MANAGEMENT HAS TRANSFORMED IN 2024 INTO THREE DIMENSIONS BEST PEOPLE. PERFORMANCE DRIVEN GET FIT THROUGH ENVIRONMENT. THIS MODELS ENSURES THAT HR STRATEGIES CREATES AND SUSTAINS THE ORGANIZATION'S COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE. IT IS ALSO A MODEL FOR HR FOCUSED EXPERTISE TO THE ORGANIZATIONS WHEN FORMULATING STRATEGIES AND GOALS. NEXT SLIDE. THE CITY'S WORKFORCE TRANSFORMATION STRATEGIES OR CATEGORIES. AS I SAID, BEST PEOPLE, PERFORMANCE DRIVEN AND GET FIT THROUGH ENVIRONMENT AS PART OF BEST PEOPLE. TO DATE, HR HAS OPENED OVER 65 RECRUITMENTS SCREEN OVER 900 THOU, I'M SORRY, 900 APPLICATIONS TO ATTRACT QUALIFIED CANDIDATES AND PROCESS OVER 70 NEW HIRES AND PROMOTIONS AS THE CITY'S EXPECTED TO CONTINUE TO GROW. MODERNIZATION IS IMPORTANT, SUCH AS THE ERP IMPLEMENTATION PROJECT, WHERE INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY TOOLS WILL ENABLE ECONOMIES OF SCALE, FASTER PROCESSING TIMES, AND APPROVED ANALYTICAL ABILITIES AND DATA-DRIVEN IN DECISION MAKING. FINALLY, [03:30:01] THROUGH OUR GET FIT THROUGH ENVIRONMENT MODEL, HR HAS PROVIDES HEALTH AND WELLNESS SAFETY PROGRAM THROUGH OUR RE-IMAGINED ENTERPRISE RISK MANAGEMENT PRACTICES. NEXT SLIDE. HUMAN RESOURCES IMPLEMENTED SEVERAL INITIATIVES IN 2024, INCLUDING A FORMAL INTERNSHIP PROGRAM AS WELL AS LEARN AND DEVELOPMENT PETALUMA ACADEMY THROUGH OUR PERFORMANCE DRIVEN PETALUMA ACADEMY WAS DEVELOPED IN RESPONSE TO EMPLOYEE FEEDBACK PROVIDED IN THE MOST RECENT EMPLOYEE SURVEY. THE PROGRAM ITSELF IS A FOUNDATION OFFERING INTENDED TO DELIVER SUPERVISORY EDUCATION TO ENSURE A BASELINE SKILL SET IS DEVELOPED ACROSS THE ORGANIZATION. THE TRAINING CONTENTS WERE INFORMED BY THE CITY'S VALUE AND INTENDED TO OPTIMIZE THE EMPLOYEES AND CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE AND TO BUILD ORGANIZATIONAL CAPACITY. THIS PICTURE HERE DEMONSTRATE THREE COHORTS REPRESENTED NINE DEPARTMENTS WITH 56 TOTAL APP PARTICIPANTS. ACCOUNTING OVER 392 AGGREGATE HOURS OF SUPERVISORY DEVELOPMENT EDUCATION. ADDITIONAL. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THE FORMER INTERNSHIP PROGRAM WAS CREATED IN 2024 AS A PUBLIC SERVICE PROGRAM THAT PROVIDES COLLEGE STUDENTS A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY TO GAIN VALUABLE PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE AND TO BUILD A WORKFORCE TALENT PIPELINE. OVER 1,600 HOURS OF INTERNSHIP WERE COMPLETED IN 2024. EACH INTERN WAS REQUIRED TO COMPLETE A CAPSTONE PROJECT THAT WOULD ENHANCE THE SERVICE DELIVERABLE WHILE AT THE SAME TIME THE INTERNS WERE MENTORED AND PREPARE FOR FUTURE PUBLIC SERVICE OPPORTUNITIES. OF WHICH FEW OF THEM TRANSITIONED AS CITIES EMPLOYEES IN 2025, WE WILL BE ONBOARDING FOUR INTERNS TO COMMENCE IN JUNE, 2025. IT IS ANTICIPATED OVER 1500 HOURS OF INTERNSHIP WILL BE COMPLETED IN CLOSING. NEXT SLIDE. I WANTED TO TAKE THIS TIME TO EXPRESS MY PROFILE AND GRATITUDE TO MY ENTIRE STAFF FOR THEIR OUTSTANDING DEDICATIONS AND HARD WORK. THEIR COMMITMENT TO TALENT ACQUISITION, LEARNING DEVELOPMENT, ONBOARDING, EMPLOYEE RELATIONS, BENEFITS ADMINISTRATIONS, AND ENTERPRISE RISK MANAGEMENT HAS BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN CREATING A POSITIVE AND PREDICTIVE WORKFORCE FOR OUR ENTIRE CITY. THEIR UNWAVERING COMMITMENT TO OUR EMPLOYEES ARE TRULY COMMENDABLE, AS DEMONSTRATED IN OUR OVERALL 7.7% VACANCY RATE. I LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING OUR HR STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY LEADERSHIP TEAM TO CREATE A HIGH PERFORMANCE ORGANIZATION TO BUILD AN ORGANIZATION CULTURE THAT EMBODIED THE VALUE OF TRUST, EXCELLENCE, SERVICE, COLLABORATIONS, INNOVATIONS, AND EMPATHY. WE CONTINUE TO STRIVE TO BE AN EMPLOYEE OF CHOICE, PRIMARILY THROUGH OUR PEOPLE FIRST INVESTMENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, I BELIEVE IT. UM, I APPRECIATE THAT. UM, I BELIEVE AT THIS POINT, UH, WE'RE ABLE TO INVITE EACH ORGANIZATION. UM, SO I, I BELIEVE EACH ORGANIZATION HAS THE OPPORTUNITY AT THIS KIND OF PRESENTATION TO, UM, TO MAKE A PRESENTATION IN, IN EACH BARGAINING UNIT. UM, THE EMPLOYEE ASSOCIATION PRESENTATION HAS A LIMIT OF, UH, FIVE MINUTES. IS THERE ANY OF THE EMPLOYEE UNITS WHO ARE HERE TONIGHT WHO WISH TO PRESENT, UM, ON THEIR UNIT IN, UM, IN REGARDS TO THE VACANCY MATTER AND SEEING NO ONE RUSHING TO THE FRONT FRONT, UH, I WILL BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL AND, AND, UM, GONNA ASK IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR WE MOVE DIRECT TO PUBLIC COMMENT, WE'LL MOVE DIRECT TO PUBLIC COMMENT. DID WE GET PUT ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS TONIGHT? WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY COMMENTS ON THIS, BUT NOW IS THE MOMENT IF SOMEONE HAS A CARD THEY'D LIKE TO BRING UP. WE HAVE OPENED AND CLOSED PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE ITEM. I BRING IT BACK UP TO THE COUNCIL. ANYONE A COMMENT OR A MOTION? UH, JUST ME. I, I'M ADDING AHEAD OF MYSELF. I BELIEVE THIS IS A REPORT WE'RE UNDERTAKING. SO WITH THAT, AND NO, NO COMMENTS. I THINK WE HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB ON THIS ITEM. I APPRECIATE THIS. I, I UNDERSTAND IT'S NEW LAW THAT WE'LL BE COMPLYING WITH EACH YEAR. YES. UH, THANK YOU. AND THAT MOVES US TO OUR NEXT ITEM AND THAT [12. Resolution Recommending Appointments to the Mayors' and Councilmembers' Association to Fill Vacancies on Regional Bodies] NEW ITEM, ITEM 12, A RES RESOLUTION RECOMMENDING APPOINTMENT TO THE MAYORS AND COUNCIL'S MEMBERS ASSOCIATION TO FILL A VACANCY, WHICH IS THE ABA [03:35:01] VACANCY. AND OUR CITY CLERK WILL TAKE CARE OF THIS ITEM. CORRECT. UM, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. UM, THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS ASSOCIATION OF SONOMA COUNTY FILLS VACANCIES ON VARIOUS LOCAL AND REGIONAL BOARDS OR COMMISSIONS WHEN THESE TERMS OF OFFICE EXPIRE. SO THERE ARE CURRENTLY TWO VACANCIES ON THE ABA EXECUTIVE BOARD. ONE IS A PRIMARY SEAT, THE OTHER IS AN ALTERNATE, AND BOTH ARE TWO YEAR TERMS STARTING IN JUNE. SO TONIGHT WE'RE ASKING COUNSEL TO RECOMMEND APPOINTMENTS FOR THE VACANCIES, WHICH MAYOR MCDONALD OR HIS DESIGNEE WILL VOTE ON AT THE UPCOMING JUNE 12TH MCA MEETING. SO, FOLLOWING COUNCIL QUESTIONS AND PUBLIC COMMENT, I CAN SHARE A VOTING SLIDE FOR THESE TWO SEATS. UM, THERE'S ONLY THREE APPLICANTS, SO IT SHOULD BE A PRETTY QUICK ONE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? SRAM UH, COUNCIL, AND THEN I'D LIKE TO OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM. AND SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM AND BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BARNICLE, I'LL SUGGEST QUINT FOR THE PRIMARY AND ADAMS FOR THE ALTERNATE. DON'T, I'LL SECOND BELIEVE WE HAVE THAT CHOICE. UM, ADAMS IS NOT, UH, APPLIED FOR THE ALTERNATE. SO I THINK ONLY THE CANDIDATES THAT APPLIED FOR THE ALTERNATE CAN BE CONSIDERED. DO. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING AS WELL. STEVEN ZALMAN APPLIED SPECIFICALLY FOR THE ALTERNATE SECONDARY POSITION. OKAY. UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MODIFY THAT? QUENTIN ZALMAN? THANK YOU. AND I'LL SECOND VICE MAYOR SECONDS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NO, UH, OTHER DISCUSSION OTHER THAN GOOD LUCK TO OUR, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER. QUINT, PLEASE, UM, HAVE OUR ROLL CALL VOTE. CERTAINLY. JUST ONE MOMENT. PARTICLE. AYE. THE CAR LEAF? YES. NOW? YES. SHRIMPS? YES. QUIN? YES. MCDONALD? YES. MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, APPRECIATE THAT ONE. AND MOVE TO [13. Resolution Adopting the City of Petaluma Decorum and Order Policy for Public Meetings] 13 RESOLUTION ADOPTING THE CITY OF PETALUMA DECORUM IN ORDER POLICY FOR PUBLIC MEETINGS. AND TO HELP US WITH THAT, WE HAVE DYLAN BRADY, OUR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY. THANK YOU MAYOR. AND IT'S GETTING LATE. AND THERE'S A COUPLE BIG TICKET ITEMS. SO I HAD A BIG PRESENTATION. IT WAS GONNA BE ENTERTAINING AND REALLY EDUCATIONAL ABOUT THE FIRST AMENDMENT IN THE BROWN ACT. SO IF I DON'T HEAR ANY GROANS, I MIGHT TRY TO SKIP OVER THAT A LITTLE BIT AND JUST KIND OF GET INTO WHAT THE DECORUM POLICY DOES. IS THAT OKAY? OKAY, COOL. HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS OR COME BACK LATER. AND, UH, NERD OUT ABOUT THE BROWN ACT IN THE FIRST AMENDMENT. UH, SO REALLY THIS POLICY IS EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS IT IS FOR PUBLIC MEETINGS, SOCIAL MEDIA, WE CAN DO ANOTHER POLICY, BUT THIS POLICY IS JUST FOR PUBLIC MEETINGS. AND IT'S NOT JUST CITY COUNCIL, IT IS ALL OF THE SUBORDINATE BODIES. THAT'S OUR COMMITTEES, COMMISSIONS AND BOARDS, OR WE CALL 'EM THE CCBS. UM, SO WHY THIS POLICY NOW, UH, BACK IN, UH, UH, 2022, DUE TO A RISE IN A LOT OF DISRUPTIVE CONDUCT NATIONALLY AS WELL AS STATE. AND IT WAS UP AND DOWN THE STATE, UH, RURAL URBAN COMMUNITIES, UH, BIG SMALL CITIES. THERE WERE JUST A LOT OF DISRUPTIONS IN PUBLIC MEETINGS. TO COUNTER THAT, THE LEGISLATURE IN AUGUST 22, UH, AUGUST, 2022, SIGNED SB 11, WHICH AMENDED THE BROWN ACT TO ADD, UH, SOME MORE TEETH TO THE GIVE CITIES THE ABILITY TO REMOVE, UH, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AS WELL AS STAFF OR PUBLIC THAT IS DISRUPTING THE MEETINGS. UM, AND THEN I WAS LOOKING AT, WHEN I KNEW ERIC WASN'T GONNA BE HERE TONIGHT, ARE RULES AND POLICIES AND PROCEDURES THAT HASN'T BEEN AMENDED SINCE 2004. AND THERE'S ONLY REALLY ONE PAGE ABOUT DECORUM AND IT TALKS ABOUT INTERRUPTIONS. SO THIS PROBABLY IS NOT COMPLIANT NOW WITH THE NEW SB 1100, UH, AND NONE OF OUR OTHER CCBS HAVE A DECORUM RULES. SO IT'S JUST, IT'S BEEN TIME TO DO IT. AND IT'S BEEN ON OUR TO-DO LIST SINCE, UH, THIS LAW WAS ENACTED. UM, THIS WAS GONNA TALK ABOUT HOW OUR CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS AND OUR LEGISLATIVE BODY MEETINGS, OUR LIMITED PUBLIC FORUMS. BUT THE MAIN THING HERE IS THIS PROPOSED POLICY COMPLIES WITH THE FIRST AMENDMENT AS WELL AS THE BROWN ACT. UM, I DID WANT TO HIGHLIGHT HERE, GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 4 9 5 4 0.3 OF THE BROWN ACT, WHICH ALLOWS CRITICISM OF CITY POLICY STAFF OFFICIALS, THAT'S PROTECTED UNDER THE BROWN ACT, AS WELL AS THE FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT TO PETITION [03:40:01] YOUR GOVERNMENT. THIS POLICY DOES NOT CHANGE THAT AT ALL. UM, AND THEN I JUST ALSO WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT TOO, UH, IF YOU GET TO SUBSECTION B ONE OF THE SAME, UH, BROWN ACT SECTION, IT DOES ALLOW THE LEGISLATIVE BODY TO ADOPT REASONABLE REGULATIONS, AND IT EXPLICITLY INCLUDES LIMITING THE AMOUNT OF TIME FOR, UH, SPEAKING ON EACH ITEM. UH, HOW YOU SEE THAT IN SOME OF OUR BODIES. I MEAN, THE, UH, POLICE, UH, WHAT'S THAT? I PSAC THEY HAVE, UH, THOSE MEETINGS ONLY LAST 90 MINUTES, PLANNING COMMISSION AT 10 30. THEY NEED TO MAKE A MOTION THAT IT'S GETTING PRETTY LATE AND TO SEE IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WANTS TO CONTINUE. SO THE, THIS POLICY COMPLIES WITH THE BROWN ACT. UM, I'M GONNA SKIP THIS SLIDE. UH, THE KEY HERE, AND THIS GOES TO SB 1100, IS THIS POLICY, UH, REGULATES DISRUPTION. AND HERE IS SB 1100, AND I'M GONNA READ THE DEFINITION OF DISRUPTION. UH, SO IT AMENDED THE BROWN ACT TO ADD GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 4 9 5 7 0.95. UH, DISRUPTION MEANS ENGAGING IN BEHAVIOR DURING A MEETING OF A LEGISLATIVE BODY THAT ACTUALLY DISRUPTS, DISTURBS, IMPEDES, OR RENDERS AND FEASIBLE THE ORDERLY CONDUCT OF THE MEETING AND INCLUDES, BUT IS NOT LIMITED TO TWO, UH, UH, TWO SUBSECTIONS HERE. ONE IS A FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH REASONABLE AND LAWFUL REGULATIONS ADOPTED BY THE LEGISLATIVE BODY. AND THAT'S OUR NEW POLICY OR ENGAGING, UH, IN BEHAVIOR THAT CONSTITUTES, UH, TRUTH THREAT OF FORCE. UH, THE BROWN ACT SECTION DOES DEFINE TRUE THREAT OF FORCE. IT'S ALSO IN THE POLICY, AND THAT'S A THREAT THAT HAS SUFFICIENT INDICIA OF INTENT AND SERIOUSNESS THAT A REASONABLE OBSERVER WOULD PERCEIVE IT TO BE AN ACTUAL THREAT TO USE FORCE BY THE PERSON MAKING THE THREAT. AND THAT'S GROUNDED IN LONGSTANDING FIRST AMENDMENT LAW, UM, WATTS, VIRGINIA V. BLACK, I BELIEVE. UM, SO HERE IS SUBSECTION A KIND OF BULLET POINTS OF THE PROPOSED POLICY. UH, YOU CAN READ IT HERE, BUT CREATE A RESPECTFUL AND INCLUSIVE ENVIRONMENT AS WELL AS COMPLYING WITH THE BROWN ACT AND FIRST AMENDMENT. THOSE ARE KIND OF THE TWO MAIN THINGS, UH, GOALS OF THE POLICY. AND YOU SEE THESE POLICIES ALL ACROSS. UM, MOST CITIES HAVE ONE. UM, SO I THINK RB, RUTH BITTER GINSBURG KIND OF SAYS IT BEST HERE. REALLY, THE GOAL WITH THIS POLICY IS YOU CAN DISAGREE WITHOUT BEING DISAGREEABLE. I THINK IT GOES A LONG WAY IF EVERYBODY RECOGNIZES THAT WE'RE HUMANS, WE'RE ALL PETALUMA, UH, WE WANT WHAT'S BEST FOR THIS CITY. AND IF WE CAN RECOGNIZE THAT, I THINK THAT'LL LEAD TOWARDS CIVILITY. SO WE GOT A COUPLE QUOTES, UH, IN THE UPFRONT OF THE POLICY. UH, GUIDING PRINCIPLES IS ALSO IN SUBSECTION B. SO THIS POLICY, WHICH I THINK IS COOL, AND WHEN WE WERE REVIEWING OTHER CITY'S POLICIES, THEY EXPLICITLY APPLIED TO THE PUBLIC OR THEY HAD SPECIFIC, UM, SECTIONS ABOUT CITY COUNCIL. IF YOU LOOK AT THE ONE PAGE IN OUR RULES AND PROCEDURES FOR CITY COUNCIL, YOU HAVE ONE SUBSECTION ABOUT THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THEN ANOTHER ABOUT THE PUBLIC. UH, WHAT'S COOL, I THINK ABOUT THIS POLICY, IT APPLIES TO CITY COUNCIL, THE CCBS STAFF, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, ALL THE SAME. IF ANY ONE OF US IS, UH, BEING DISRUPTIVE, THE CHAIR CAN SAY, HEY, UH, PLEASE STOP BEING DISRUPTIVE. THIS IS A WARNING. IF YOU GET A, UH, IF YOU CONTINUE THE DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR, YOU WILL BE ASKED TO REMOVE. SO IT APPLIES TO CITY COUNCIL. THERE HAVE BEEN, UH, UH, SOME EXAMPLES OF CITIES, I THINK IT'S WESTMINSTER, WHERE THEY'VE HAD TO USE IT ON CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. UM, IN THE PUBLIC'S DEFINITELY BEEN USED FOR, UH, WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT WHAT IS DISRUPTIVE SPEECH VERSUS WHAT IS PROTECTIVE SPEECH. UH, SO ALLOWED IS THE CRITICISM, DISAGREEMENTS, YES, I'M FOR THIS POLICY, NO, I'M FOR THAT POLICY. TOTALLY. OKAY, THAT'S VIEWPOINT DISCRIMINATION AND IT'S FINE. WHAT IS NOT ALLOWED IS THE TRUTH, THREATS OF FORCE, AND I DEFINE THAT. AND THEN DISRUPTIONS, WHICH IS STATED HERE, AND THESE ARE REALLY THE SIX GROUNDS FOR REMOVAL. SO IT'S INTERRUPTING WHILE OTHERS ARE SPEAKING. AND THESE ARE ALL KIND CAVEAT THAT IT'S NOT JUST MINOR INTERRUPTIONS, IT IS INTERRUPTIONS THAT IS IMPEDING THE MEETING THAT THE CHAIR AND THE REST OF THE BODY ARE UNABLE TO, UH, CONTINUE THEIR ITEMS. UH, SO THE SECOND ONE IS MUST COMPLYING WITH THE LAWFUL ORDER OF THE PRESIDING OFFICER. THAT'S HERE'S THE MAYOR, UH, LOUD, [03:45:01] THREATENING, ABUSIVE, PROFANE, SLANDEROUS SPEECH THAT DISRUPTS THE MEETING, UH, SPEAKING, UH, PAST THE ALLOTTED TIME THAT'S ALLOWED, UH, BOISTEROUS BEHAVIOR THAT DISRUPTS THE MEETING. AND THEN HAVING, UH, VISUALS THAT ARE INTERFERING WITH THE MEETINGS. SO THAT IS DISRUPTING. UM, HERE IS THE STEPS IN THE PROCEDURE FOR REMOVAL. STEP ONE IS A VERBAL WARNING. HEY, YOU'RE DISRUPTING, YOU'RE, UH, INTERRUPTING, YOU'RE SPEAKING PAST ALLOTTED TIME. IF YOU CONTINUE, YOU WILL BE ASKED TO BE REMOVED. IF THAT BEHAVIOR CONTINUES, THEN YOU CAN ASK THE SERGEANT OF ARMS AND THEY CAN REMOVE THAT INDIVIDUAL LAWFULLY UNDER THE BROWN ACT, FIRST AMENDMENT. AND THIS POLICY, UH, TRUTH THREATS OF FORCE, THOUGH, YOU CAN SKIP STEP ONE AND YOU CAN GO STRAIGHT TO STEP TWO. UM, THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE BEEN BARRED MAY BE, OR THAT HAVE BEEN REMOVED, UH, ARE REMOVED FROM THE REST OF THE MEETING. THESE ARE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE REMOVED. BUT THE BROWN ACT ALSO HAS THE ABILITY TO REMOVE GROUPS. UH, IF YOU ARE BOISTEROUS, EITHER FOR OR AGAINST AN ITEM, AND IT IS IMPEDING THE ABILITY TO CONDUCT THE REST OF THE MEETING, THAT WHOLE GROUP CAN BE REMOVED. THE WHOLE, UH, CHAMBER CAN BE ACTUALLY REMOVED TOO FOR A QUICK RECESS. AND THEN AT THE CHAIR'S DISCRETION, THE, UH, MEMBERS OF THE BODY THAT ARE THE PUBLIC THAT HAVE NOT BEEN, OR STAFF OR COUNCIL THAT HAVEN'T BEEN DISRUPTIVE, THEY CAN BE ASKED TO COME BACK IN. THE PRESS IS ALWAYS ALLOWED TO BE HERE. UM, AND ONLY ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA WILL BE DISCUSSED IF THIS OCCURS. AND THIS IST NEW TO THE BROWN ACT. UH, IT'S BEEN A LONGSTANDING RULE. UH, WE ALSO, THE POLICY PREVENTS OR, UH, PRESCRIBES DISCRIMINATION, HARASSMENT, DEFAM, DEFAMATORY, UH, CONDUCT AGAINST PROTECTED CLASSES. THOSE WOULD BE SEX, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, RACE, ETHNICITY, AGE, UH, DISABILITY, ET CETERA. UH, SO THE REMEDIES FOR THAT WOULD BE THE CHAIR COULD EITHER READ THE ANTI-DISCRIMINATION POLICY, MAYBE A CENSURE, UH, OR EXCUSING THE MEMBER THAT IS BEING, UH, KIND OF DISCRIMINATED AGAINST FROM THAT MEETING. UM, AND THIS IS LONGSTANDING RULES VIOLATIONS OF BOTH FEDERAL AND STATE ANTI-DISCRIMINATION LAW. SO WE'RE CODIFYING THAT, UH, ENFORCEMENT PROCEDURE. IT'S THE CHAIR'S DISCRETION AND OR THE MAJORITY OF THE BODY MAKES A MO OR IF SOMEBODY MAKES A MOTION AND THE MAJORITY APPROVES IT, THEY CAN DO THESE ENFORCEMENT PROCEDURES STATED HERE. UM, VIOLATIONS DON'T NULLIFY ACTIONS. SO EVEN IF INDIVIDUALS ARE REMOVED, THE UH, ACTIONS STILL COUNTS. AND IF ADOPTED TONIGHT, STAFF WILL CHANGE OR TRAIN THE CHAIRS, THE VICE CHAIRS, THE STAFF THAT, UH, CHAPERONES THESE MEETINGS. AND WE WILL PUT THE POLICY UP ONLINE SO IT'S PUBLIC, AS WELL AS PUT A LINK TO ALL FEATURE AGENDA MEETINGS SO EVERYBODY KNOWS THE RULES. AND THAT'S MY PRESENTATION AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, GREAT PRESENTATION AND, UM, SAD THAT THE STATE HAS TO WEIGH IN, BUT WE, WE SEE NATIONALLY AND EVERYWHERE THAT THERE'S, THERE'S, UH, MORE TEMPERS IN THE WORLD THAN THERE EVER HAVE BEEN. ANY QUESTIONS FROM, UH, THE COUNCIL ON THIS? AND I HAD TO JUST THE ONE. SO IF STAFF HOLDS A MEETING, AND IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A BODY, BUT DOES, IS THERE A REMEDY THROUGH THIS OR WILL STAFF BE GETTING THEIR OWN LEVEL OF THIS? SO THIS IS ONLY FOR C, C, B AND CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS. IT'S NOT CITY INITIATED MEETINGS, I GUESS. YEAH. OKAY. IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION, BECAUSE THAT, THAT I STREET SPEED BUMPS THING, THAT GOT PRETTY ROWDY. UM, NO, JUST KIDDING. UH, EVERYBODY. AND I'D LIKE TO, UH, GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT NOW. UM, SORRY, I THOUGHT WE WERE, UH, SO COUNCIL MEMBER DECAR. YEAH, I JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION, DYLAN. SURE. UM, SO WHAT, WHAT'S, UH, APPLICABLE DUE PROCESS PROCEDURES, AND THEN WHAT, COULD YOU FURTHER EXPLAIN WHAT CSU WOULD DETAIL? YEAH, SO CENSURE IS, WE DON'T EXPLICITLY SIT IN THE POLICY, AND I DON'T BELIEVE WE DO HAVE A POLICY HERE, BUT THE CENSURE MEMBER WOULD HAVE DUE PROCESS. IT WOULD BE A PUBLIC HEARING, THAT INDIVIDUAL WOULD BE ALLOWED TO PRESENT EVIDENCE. UH, SO IT WOULD BE A NOTICE PUBLIC MEETING, AND THERE WOULD DEFINITELY BE DUE PROCESS. YEAH. AND THAT WOULD BE FOR EVERYBODY. PUBLIC COUNCIL STAFF, NOT THE PUBLIC, BUT FOR STAFF OR THE, UH, THE BODY. MM-HMM . AND THEN WHAT COULD BE THE CONSEQUENCES [03:50:01] OF THAT REPUTATION? DEFINITELY, UH, SOME CITIES ACTUALLY HAVE, IF YOU'RE CED, NOT PETALUMA, BUT YOU ARE REMOVED FROM THAT LEGISLATIVE BODY, UM, ESPECIALLY SUBORDINATE BODIES 'CAUSE THEY ARE, UH, APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. SO THE CITY COUNCIL SAYS, HEY, SUBORDINATE BODIES, IF YOU ARE CENSURE, THEN THAT'S REMOVAL. THAT'S GROUNDS FOR REMOVAL. UH, IT IS NOT ENTIRELY CLEAR TO ME IF THAT'S POSSIBLE FOR ELECTED MEMBERS. UM, I THINK THAT IS A OPEN QUESTION, BUT I'LL JUST SAY PETALUMA, WE DON'T HAVE THAT POLICY. AND AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, IS THIS AT THE DISCRETION OF THE REST OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS? IT WOULD BE, YES. MAJORITY, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER. QUINT. MINE'S MORE OF A COMMENT, SO I'LL WAIT TILL I, COUNCIL MEMBER SHRI. UM, JUST TO, UH, CLARIFY, I THINK SOMETHING YOU SAID EARLIER FROM, UH, WHAT THE MAYOR, UH, ASKED. UM, SO THIS APPLIES TO LIKE THE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS AND, AND THE CBS AND ALL LIKE, BUT THERE'S MEETINGS, UM, THAT STAFF IS AT, AND COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE AT, UM, THAT, LET'S SAY WE, WE HAVE A, UM, A MEETING ABOUT, UH, LANDLORD, UM, RULES, WHATEVER, OR WE'RE HAVING A, A SESSION OVER AT THE FAIRGROUNDS AND IT'S A PUBLIC MEETING WHERE FOLKS ARE COMING IN AND LOOKING AT THINGS. SO THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO ANY OF THOSE SITUATIONS UNLESS IT'S A GENDERIZED TYPE MEETING WITH STAFF PRESENT. CORRECT. I WOULD SAY THE CAVEAT, I THINK CITY COUNCIL AND STAFF SHOULD ALWAYS BE ON THEIR BEST BEHAVIOR. SO, YOU KNOW, THE BE NICE, BE, UH, DON'T DISAGREE OR DON'T BE DISAGREEABLE, SHOULD BE KIND OF THE MOTTO I THINK FOR ANY MEETING WITH THE PUBLIC. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. MM-HMM . VICE MAYOR. UM, IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT WE ARE NOT A FULL COUNCIL THIS EVENING AND WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION. UM, THIS PAST, UM, 2025 INCIDENT ON THE CITY COUNCIL IS NOT THE FIRST TIME IT'S HAPPENED. UM, I SAW PTSD FROM THE FIRST TIME I WAS ON COUNCIL BETWEEN 2004 AND 2008 WHEN A COUNCIL MEMBER PUT DOWN, UM, ONE OF OUR CCBS AND, UM, A MAYOR WHO THREW A REAM OF PAPER AT ME AFTER A MEETING BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T LIKE MY VOTE. SO WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT WE'RE ALL HUMAN, WE'RE ALL VOLUNTEERS, AND THAT WE WILL MAKE MISTAKES. BUT THIS IS A GREAT STEP IN, IN CORRECTING THOSE MISTAKES AND KEEPING US PROFESSIONAL AND DOING WHAT WE WERE ELECTED TO DO. AND THAT'S TO SERVE THE PUBLIC. SO, UH, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND NOW WE'RE MOVING TO PUBLIC COMMENT. WE DID RECEIVE, UM, TWO PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS AHEAD OF TIME, AND I DO HAVE CARDS IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER CARDS. NOW'S THE MOMENT. FIRST SPEAKER IS, UH, UH, NICOLA FRY AND TO BE FOLLOWED BY JODY JOHNSON. HI, I'M HERE AGAIN TONIGHT. UM, THIS TIME I'M A MEMBER OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND AS THE CHAIR OF THE SENIOR ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO EXPRESS MY SUPPORT FOR THE PROPOSED DECORUM AND ORDER POLICY FOR CITY MEETINGS. I WANNA BEGIN BY ACKNOWLEDGING HOW CHALLENGING IT IS TO FACILITATE PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT ARE BOTH OPEN AND ORDERLY, ESPECIALLY WHEN EMOTIONS ARE RUNNING HIGH. RECENT EVENTS AT THE PREVIOUS CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS MADE IT PLAINLY CLEAR JUST HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO HAVE CLEAR, CONCISE STANDARDS FOR RESPECTFUL CONDUCT. WHEN THE ATMOSPHERE IN THE PUBLIC MEETINGS BECOMES HOSTILE OR IMITATING, IT DOESN'T JUST AFFECT THOSE DIRECTLY INVOLVED. IT HAS A CHILLING EFFECT ON EVERYONE WHO MIGHT OTHERWISE WANT TO PARTICIPATE. THIS POLICY IS NOT ABOUT SILENCING DISSENT, IT'S ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT ALL VOICES CAN BE HEARD, ESPECIALLY THOSE OF RESIDENTS WHO MAY BE LESS COMFORTABLE SPEAKING IN PUBLIC. WHEN MEETINGS ARE DISRUPTIVE AND DERAILED, IT MAKES CIVIC ENGAGEMENT FEEL INACCESSIBLE AND UNSAFE FOR MANY COMMUNITY MEMBERS. AS A COMMUNITY MEMBER WHO HAS BEEN AT MANY CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS, I HAVE EXPERIENCED FEELINGS OF BEING UNSAFE MYSELF. IN FACT, AT ONE MEETING, IT BECAME APPARENT THAT I WAS PHYSICALLY UNABLE TO REMOVE MYSELF FROM A LOUD AGGRESSIVE GROUP OF AUDIENCE MEMBERS. SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE PETALUMA PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENT AND CITY STAFF FACILITATED MY EXIT FROM THIS CHAMBER AND FROM THE BUILDING BY A BACK [03:55:01] DOOR. I APPRECIATE THAT THE PROPOSED POLICY STILL PROTECTS THE PUBLIC'S RIGHT TO SPEAK, WHICH WE ALL KNOW THAT I LOVE TO DO. WHILE SETTLING REASONABLE BOUNDARIES TO ENSURE THAT DISCOURSE REMAINS CONSTRUCTIVE, IT HELPS TO CREATE A SPACE WHERE WE CAN ALL DISAGREE AND SOMETIMES PASSIONATELY, BUT STILL TREAT EACH OTHER WITH RESPECT AND DECENCY. I ALSO WANT TO COMMEND THE CITY FOR BRINGING THIS POLICY FORWARD THOUGHTFULLY AND TRANSPARENTLY. IT'S A STRONG STEP TOWARD REINFORCING OUR SHARED CIVIC VALUES, FREE SPEECH, INCLUSION, AND MUTUAL RESPECT. I HOPE YOU'LL CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR WAYS TO ENSURE THAT RESIDENTS FEEL INFORMED ABOUT THE RULES AND FEEL CONFIDENT IN THEIR ABILITY TO PARTICIPATE WITHOUT FEAR OF BEING INTERRUPTED, SHOUTED DOWN, OR PERSONALLY ATTACKED. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP AND FOR WORKING TO MAKE PETALUMA'S PUBLIC FORUMS SAFER, MORE RESPECTFUL, AND MORE ACCESSIBLE TO ALL. THANK YOU, JODY JOHNSON, TO BE FOLLOWED BY TIM PORTIA. AS MEMBERS OF SEVEN MOBILE PARKS HERE IN PETALUMA, WE DEFINITELY SUPPORT YOU PASSING THIS TYPE OF AN ORDINANCE. UH, WE, UH, WE LEARNED EARLY ON THAT THERE WERE RESPECTFUL WAYS TO GIVE VOICE TO OUR NEED FOR CITY INTERVENTION ON OUR BEHALF. WE LEARNED THAT WE ALWAYS WERE ABLE TO SPEAK AT GENERAL COMMENTS, CONSENT, CALENDAR, AND ON THE AGENDA ITEMS THAT PERTAIN TO OUR WELLBEING. WE ALSO LEARNED THAT CLAPPING WAS NOT ALLOWED SO THAT ALL COULD FEEL THEIR COMMENTS WERE IMPORTANT. NO DOUBT THAT SOMETIMES WE DID NOT AGREE WITH COMMENTS, POSSIBLE DIRECTIONS OR THE PATIENTS NEEDED FOR BENEFICIAL CHANGE TO HAPPEN. WE, HOWEVER, LENT OUR VOICES TO FACTS, NOT TO INSULTS. AND OVER TIME WE REALIZED THAT RESPECT IS EARNED. WE CAN NEVER SAY WE WERE NOT PASSIONATE ABOUT OUR PLIGHT AND EMOTIONALLY DRAINED, BUT OUR VOICES HAVE ALWAYS BEEN HEARD, EVEN IF THE RESULTS DID NOT GO THE WAY WE WANT IT. CIVILITY HAS CERTAINLY TAKEN A GREAT HIT IN OUR DEMOCRACY. BUT HERE IN PETALUMA, WE ARE A BEACON OF LIGHT IN SO MANY WAYS. OUR NEED FOR CIVILITY IS EVEN GREATER THAN EVER BEFORE. WE MOBILE HOME RESIDENTS HAVE ALWAYS FELT WE HAVE A VOICE, EVEN IF NOT, NOT ALL AGREED WITH WHAT WE WERE SAYING. YESTERDAY I HEARD A TALK ABOUT HELPERS HIGH, WHICH LEADS TO HAPPIER, HEALTHIER, LIVES THROUGH THE SERVICE TO OTHERS, EVEN IF WE MUST AGREE TO DISAGREE. LET'S SEE EACH OTHER AS COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT ENGAGE IN COMPROMISE FOR THE GREATER GOOD OF OUR DEMOCRACY. OF COURSE, VOICE YOUR COMMENTS AS THIS IS SOMETIMES THE ONLY WAY THE COMMUNITY UNDERSTANDS WHAT'S HAPPENING. ANY AGENDA HAS A LEADER THAT NAVIGATES AND A COUNCIL IN THIS CASE THAT WAS ELECTED TO CAST THEIR VOTES FOR THEIR CONSTITUENTS, OUR MOBILE PARK RESIDENTS SITTING IN THESE CHAMBERS EVERY MEETING SEE THE DETAILED RESEARCH AND THOUGHT THAT GOES INTO THESE DECISIONS AND ULTIMATE VOTES. WE IN FACT, NOW FOR THREE YEARS, HAVE SEEN CIVILITY GO AWAY. UH, WE'VE SEEN ZOOM HAVE TO BE CUT OFF FROM COMMENTS, AND WE ACTUALLY OURSELVES HAVE FELT VERY UNCOMFORTABLE. WE HOPE THAT CIVILITY WILL PREVAIL AT LEAST IN OUR CITY THAT WE CALL HOME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU TIM PORTIA TO BE FOLLOWED BY JOHN HANIA. THANK YOU. I WILL SAY THAT I HAVE SAID BEFORE ABOUT WHEN PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GET VOTED INTO OFFICE, I WOULD HOPE THAT THESE RULES WILL EXTEND AND NOT LET FUNNY LITTLE PAPERS AND NASTY LITTLE WORDS BE PUBLISHED. IF YOU'RE GONNA BE HERE, BE HERE. I APPRECIATE THAT. EVERYBODY NEEDS TO GET VOTED IN AND YOU DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO, BUT DON'T PLAY DIRTY. IT SHOULD BE AGAINST OUR RULES. WE, WE SHOULDN'T PERMIT THAT, BUT WE HAVE. I'D LIKE IT TO GO AWAY. THAT'S FOR ONE. THIS IS, UH, THIS IS SOMETHING WE ALL NEED AGAIN. AND I'M BACK TO THE ONE THING IS EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US REALLY DOES NEED EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US. I'M COUNTING ON YOU, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU CAN COUNT ON ME. I'LL COME, I'LL DO WHAT I CAN. I PROMISE. AND I BET YOU THERE'S A LOT OF US. THANK YOU. THANK YOU JOHN HANIA TO BE FOLLOWED BY CHANTEL ROGERS. GOOD EVENING. RESPECT. RESPECT IS NOT ENTITLEMENT AND IS DEFINITELY NOT INHERITANCE. AND WE GET SWORN IN, [04:00:01] AS I MENTIONED LAST TIME OR NOT LAST TIME, A WHILE AGO. IT DOES NOT COME WITH DIPLOMA TO YOU GUYS OF BEING EINSTEIN. SO WHEN YOU WANNA BE RESPECTED, YOU HAVE TO GIVE RESPECT. YOU TALK ABOUT DECORUM, BUT YOU WANT TO USE THE POLICE TO SILENT PEOPLE. OKAY? SO LET ME REMIND YOU OF SOMETHING, KEVIN. YOU CREATED A CHAOS IN THE MIDDLE OF 2024 WHEN YOU MADE A VERY BAD COMMENT, BUT YET YOU USED THE POLICE AND THEY CAME IN LATE, LATE AT NIGHT TO CLEAR ALL THE PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE. OKAY? THAT'S NOT COOL. YOU EXPECT THE PEOPLE TO BE RESPECTFUL, BUT YET WITNESS WHEN SOME OF YOU GUYS ARE DISRESPECTFUL, OKAY? YOU DIDN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. I STILL RECALL MS. CHANTEL, ROGER, WHEN SHE SAID TO YOU, WHY DON'T YOU HAVE HER BE RESPECTFUL, YOU GIVE HER WARNING. SHE WAS REMOVED BY ACCIDENT. OKAY? YOU ALLOWED JANICE TAYLOR THOMPSON TO GO BUNKER FOR SIX MINUTES. A 19 SECOND OFF TOPIC, COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC. YOU DIDN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. I HAVE GREAT DEAL OF RESPECT FOR DECORUM, BUT JUST KEEP IN MIND WHEN YOU HEAR SOMEBODY IN THE BACK, AND EVEN ME, IT'S THE FRUSTRATION AND THE FRUSTRATION OF THE BEHAVIOR THAT IT'S BEEN COMING ACROSS, NOT AS ELECTED OFFICIAL AS DICTATORS. AND I'M SORRY ABOUT MY LANGUAGE, BUT SOMETHING NEED TO BE SAID. YOU ARE NOT ALLOWING PEOPLE TO SPEAK. AND I'M REALLY DISAPPOINTED FOR THE MAJORITY OF YOU, I SEND AN EMAIL TO ALL OF YOU ABOUT THE TIME, OKAY? I ONLY HAD COUNCIL MEMBER NOW, WHO WAS THE FIRST ONE TO RESPOND? COUNCIL MEMBER DALI WHO RESPOND, COUNCIL MEMBER SHIP, WHO RESPOND WITH NOT VERY CLEAR ANSWER, BUT THE REST OF YOU WHO PORTRAY THEMSELF AS NICE PEOPLE AND THEY'RE GONNA HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC. I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING. WHY IS THAT? WHY YOU CALL YOURSELF ELECTED OFFICIAL WHEN YOU DON'T WANNA COMMUNICATE OR ENGAGE WITH THE COMMUNITY. SO IF YOU WANT DECORUM, PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH. PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN GLASS HOUSES SHOULD NOT BE THROWN STORMS. WE ALL, WE ARE ALL HUMANS, AND WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES AND WE ALL HAVE TO FORGIVE. BUT WHEN IT'S TOO MUCH, IT'S TOO MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OUR LAST SPEAKER IN THE EVENING WILL BE CHANTEL ROGERS. GOOD EVENING, GI DIDN'T EXPECT TO BE RELIVING THAT TONIGHT. UH, NOTABLY MISSING FROM THIS DECORUM DISCUSSION IS MUCH NEEDED. CLARIFICATION ON THE PARAMETERS OF ACCEPTABLE TOPICS DURING GENERAL COMMENT TO ENSURE THAT ALL MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HAVE ACCESS TO THEIR FEEDBACK BEING HEARD. RECENTLY, NUMEROUS MEMBERS OF THE AG COMMUNITY HAVE COME BEFORE THE COUNCIL DURING PUBLIC GENERAL COMMENTS WITH THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT HARASSMENT BY EXTREMIST ANIMALS, UH, RIGHTS ORGANIZATIONS. THEY HAVE BEEN SUMMARILY DISMISSED AS OUT OF AREA, NOT PETALUMA JURISDICTION. SORRY, CAN'T HELP YOU. IF THE WIFE OF DUCK FARMER PHIL REIHART, CAN BE STOPPED 30 SECONDS INTO HER ALLOTTED ONE MINUTE AND TOLD THAT THOUGH HER ADDRESS IS PETALUMA, SHE'S OUTSIDE THE CITY CORPS. SO NOT APPROPRIATE TO BRING IT BEFORE COUNCIL, THEN I THINK IT WOULD BEHOOVE THE COUNCIL TO CLEARLY STATE WHAT IS AND IS NOT ALLOWED. IF ANY ISSUE OUTSIDE PETALUMA VOTING AREAS IS NOT PERMISSIBLE TO SPEAK ABOUT THEN ANYONE WANTING TO TALK ABOUT, SAY, THE BATTERY FACILITY PLANNED JUST OUTSIDE CITY LIMITS OR DERA OR ANY OTHER CONCERNS THAT AFFECT PETALUMA, BUT THE COUNCIL DOESN'T CONSIDER UNDER PETALUMA JURISDICTION, THEN THEY SHOULD ALL GET THE SAME MESSAGE THAT OUR AG COMMUNITY IS GETTING, WHICH IS, SORRY, NOT OUR PROBLEM. TAKE IT UP WITH THE COUNTY. BY THE SAME TOKEN, NO ONE BE SHOULD BE PERMITTED TO SPEAK ABOUT GAZA, UKRAINE, VENEZUELA, OR ANY OUTSIDE CITY LIMITS AREAS. THEY SHOULD NOT BE PERMITTED TO SPEAK OF ANY COUNTY, STATE, OR FEDERAL ISSUE, EVEN IF IT IMPACTS PETALUMA PERSONALLY. I'D RATHER THAT YOU WOULD ALLOW PETALUMA FARMERS AND AG COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO SPEAK DURING GENERAL COMMENTS ABOUT THEIR LEGITIMATE CONCERNS. BUT IF THEY CAN'T THAN OTHER, SPEAKING ABOUT ANYTHING OUTSIDE THE CITY'S VOTING BOUNDARIES SHOULD ALSO BE CUT OFF. PLEASE ADD GENERAL COMMENT PARAMETERS TO YOUR DECORUM POLICY SO THAT WE ALL KNOW WHAT WE CAN SPEAK ABOUT WITHOUT INTERRUPTION. [04:05:02] THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THAT CLOSES PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE EVENING, BRINGING IT BACK TO COUNCIL COMMENTS COUNCIL, COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE. UM, FIRST THANK YOU TO NICOLE AND JODY FOR IF I WERE A PUBLIC COMMENTER, I WOULD WALK UP AND SAY, YOU SAID WHAT I NEEDED TO SAY. THANK YOU. UM, I ALSO WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO ALL THE MOBILE HOME PARK RESIDENTS WHO, UM, HAVE BEEN A MODEL FOR DECORUM FOR YEARS NOW. THERE'S NO ONE IN THE CITY WHO IS EXPERIENCING SOMETHING MORE EMOTIONAL THAN YOU. AND YOU WERE RIGHT. EVERY WEEK YOU COME HERE AND YOU SPEAK ON THE MOST EMOTIONAL TOPICS, UM, THAT OUR CITY FACES AND YOU MODEL DECORUM FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY. SO THANK YOU. UM, I SUPPORT THE POLICY. UM, HAPPY TO VOTE ON IT. UM, I ALSO DO AGREE WITH WHAT MS. ROGERS SAID THAT, UM, IT DOES FEEL LIKE THERE, LIKE IF YOU CAN COME UP HERE AND ASK FOR A GAZA RESOLUTION AND, BUT YOU CAN'T COME HERE AND SAY, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M, I FEEL LIKE I'M BEING ATTACKED, YOU KNOW, IN THE AG COMMUNITY, IT DOES LIKE, IT, IT DOES CREATE A GRAY AREA AND I ADMIT IT IS A GRAY AREA. UM, ALSO, WE'VE HAD PEOPLE COME UP HERE AND TALK ABOUT HOW, YOU KNOW, THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS A BUNCH OF PEDOPHILES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IS THAT WITHIN OUR SCOPE? I DON'T KNOW. IS THAT WHAT WE WANT? I DON'T THINK SO. UM, SO I THINK, UH, IT DOES CREATE, UM, A GRAY AREA AND, UM, I DON'T HAVE THE PERFECT ANSWER. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ADDRESS IT IN THE RESOLUTION TONIGHT, BUT, UM, YOU MADE A GOOD POINT. THANK YOU. SO THAT'S A MOTION. UH, I WILL LEAVE IT OPEN FOR NOW. UM, AND IF SOMEONE HAS SPECIFIC, UH, ADDITIONS THAT COULD ADDRESS SOME OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT THING, UM, I ENTERTAIN THOSE. BUT OTHERWISE, UM, I'M HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION OR I'LL LET MY COLLEAGUES, I WASN'T SEEING HANDS RAISED, SO MOVED. I'M SEEING ALL THE HANDS RAISED. SO MOVED. UM, SO, UH, VICE MAYOR, UM, THE PUBLIC COMMENTERS, UM, WANTED A PARAMETERS AROUND THE GENERAL COMMENT TIME, THE PUBLIC COMMENT. SO CAN WE DO THAT ALONG WITH WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE WAS MENTIONING, LIKE, WE, UM, ALLOW SOME THINGS, BUT WE DON'T ALLOW OTHERS. WE, UM, WE DID HEAR THINGS ON THE BEST PROJECT AND DRA IN THE BEST. UH, SO WHEN THERE IS A LOT OF DIS THIS COUNCIL HASN'T HAD IT, BUT IT, MY PAST COUNCIL, UM, TIME'S UP HERE AT THE DESK, THERE'S BEEN HEATED CONVERSATIONS AND IT KEEPS GOING ON AND THE MAYOR CAN'T GET IT, YOU KNOW, UNDER, NOT YOU, BUT YOU CAN'T GET IT. AND THEN A COUNCIL MEMBER SAYS, CALL FOR THE VOTE, WHICH STOPS ALL CONVERSATION. WHERE IS THAT IN THE POLICY? I DIDN'T REALLY, SO IT'S NOT IN THE POLICY. IT IS THOUGH IN COUNCIL RULES AND PROCEDURE. SO YEAH, IT WOULD BE SPECIFICALLY PER, YOU KNOW, THE SPECIFIC CCB, THAT WHATEVER THEIR RULES WOULD BE. BUT THIS POLICY IS DESIGNED TO BE, UH, GLOBALLY FOR ALL THE CCBS AND CITY COUNCIL. OKAY. BECAUSE SOMETIMES THAT A DISCUSSION GETS REAL HEATED AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GETTING ANYWHERE AND PEOPLE ARE JUST REPEATING THEMSELVES AND WE NEED TO CALL FOR THE VOTE. SO THAT'S JUST MY, THAT I WILL TOTALLY, UM, APPROVE THIS MOTION. AND, AND JUST KIND OF ON THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, WE'RE HEARING ABOUT WHAT IS IN THE SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION. I'LL GET INTO A LITTLE BIT OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT SLIDES THAT I MISSED. SO WE ARE ALLOWED TO CREATE AS THIS IS A LIMITED PUBLIC FORUM, CONTENT-BASED REGULATIONS. UH, THE MAIN CONTENT-BASED REGULATION WE HAVE IN OUR PUBLIC MEETINGS IS IT NEEDS TO BE WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF THAT BODY. UH, ONE OF, AGAIN, THE POLI OUR GOAL OF THIS POLICY IS TO MAKE IT GLOBALLY TO APPLY TO ALL THE CCBS. SO IT WAS HARD TO SAY, YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY WHAT IS THE SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION OF EVERY SINGLE BODY. I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE MORE SOMETHING THAT THE SPECIFIC, UH, BODY'S POLICIES WOULD ADDRESS. UM, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DEFINITELY DO, I THINK IN THE FUTURE WHEN WE AMEND THESE RULES AND PROCEDURES THAT HAVEN'T BEEN AMENDED SINCE 2004. KIND OF TALK ABOUT WHAT IS, UH, IN THE CITY COUNCIL'S SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLY. I THINK YOU'RE NEXT. SO I THINK THAT THE PROBLEM WAS NEVER, THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH RULES. IT WAS HOW THE SITUATION AND PRIOR SITUATIONS WERE HANDLED. YOU KNOW, I I HAD SAID, UM, YOU KNOW, PRIVATE AFTER THE MEETING A FEW WEEKS AGO THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS A COMPLETELY PREVENTABLE SITUATION AND IT SHOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED. IT SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN ALLOWED TO ESCALATE TO THE POINT THAT IT DID. UM, BUT WE HAD, AND HAVE HAD MANY CASES [04:10:01] OF ONE-SIDED DECORUM. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UM, THIS, THIS IS SOMETHING YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO, UM, LEGALLY, BUT ETHICALLY ETH ETHICALLY OUT OF RESPECT FOR THE COMMUNITY. I THINK WE'RE LEANING INTO MAKING MORE RULES INSTEAD OF WHAT'S MORE, WHAT'S MORE ETHICALLY CORRECT HERE? YOU KNOW, NO, NOBODY LEFT THAT MEETING SAYING THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH RULES. I THINK EVERYBODY LEFT THAT MEETING SAYING THAT THERE'S, THERE'S ONE PROBLEM. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, YOU WONDER WHY WHEN YOU'RE DOING THINGS THAT AREN'T ETHICAL, WHY, WHY THE COMMUNITY PUSHES BACK AND THEY GET AS AS EXCITED AS THEY DO AND UPSET. AND, YOU KNOW, I SAW A LOT OF PEOPLE LEAVING THAT NIGHT FROM THE PUBLIC WHO, WHO WERE VERY UPSET AT HOW THEY WERE TREATED. UM, AND I, I DON'T THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, APPLYING MORE RULES THAT ARE SUPPOSEDLY ACROSS THE BOARD IS, IS GOING TO REALLY HELP THEM. UM, I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN THE CASE MANY TIMES WHERE THEY'RE THE ONES WHO GET THE, THE THUMB PUT ON THEM, UM, BUT NOT THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE. SO I'M NOT VERY CONFIDENT THAT THESE RULES ARE GONNA BE APPLIED EQUALLY AND FAIRLY. I THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THIS IS REALLY NECESSARY. I MEAN, WE HAVE OUR, YOU KNOW, RULES, POLICIES AND PROCEDURES, AND MAYBE THERE'S HOLES IN THEM AND, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD THOSE FOR A LONG TIME NOW, AND IN OUR CITIES OVER 150 YEARS OLD, AND WE'VE NEVER HAD ANYTHING LIKE THIS BEFORE. AND I THINK THAT'S BECAUSE PEOPLE UNDERSTOOD THEN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS HOW YOU ACT. BUT WHEN PEOPLE DON'T ACT THAT WAY AND, AND NOTHING'S DONE ABOUT IT IN THE CHAIN OF COMMAND, THEN, THEN YOU'RE GONNA SEE PEOPLE GET UPSET AND YOU'RE GONNA SEE PEOPLE TAKE IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL. SO THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I SUPPORT. I THINK AS LONG AS WE'RE MORAL, AS LONG AS WE'RE DECENT TO EACH OTHER, TREAT EACH OTHER WITH RESPECT, I THINK THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE TO DO THE PEOPLE'S BUSINESS COUNCIL MEMBER QUEEN. SO I WAS TRYING TO, UM, SORT OF QUICKLY GO THROUGH AND PROCESS THE, UM, THE DIFFERENT ITEMS THAT WERE LISTED FOR THAT, THAT WOULD BE SORT OF CLASSIFIED AS, UM, OUTTA ORDER. AND I REMEMBER SEEING, UM, LOUD, BOISTEROUS, UH, PROFANE. UM, I'M MISSING ONE, BUT, SO A LOT OF TIMES FOLKS WILL GET UP INTO THE MICROPHONE AND IT'S REALLY EASY TO GET LOUD, RIGHT? AND IT'S REALLY EASY TO LIKE BE BOISTEROUS, BUT, OR, OR SOUND BOISTEROUS AND MAYBE THEY'RE NOT BOISTEROUS. UM, AND WHAT WAS, UH, WHAT I DIDN'T SEE WAS JUST RES, YOU KNOW, BEING DISRESPECTFUL. UM, SO I WASN'T SURE IF THAT NEEDED TO LIKE BE ADDED. LIKE, I AM WONDERING IF IT'S SUB, I MEAN, I, IT'S ALL SUBJECTIVE, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOMETHING IN THERE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BEING DISRESPECTFUL. YEAH. SO SUBSECTION C UH, THE POLICY DOES TALK ABOUT GUIDING PRINCIPLES FOR CIVIC PARTICIPATION, AND THERE'S A LIST OF, LOOKS LIKE SIX BULLET POINTS. AND THESE WOULDN'T BE GROUNDS FOR REMOVAL BECAUSE THE GROUNDS FOR REMOVAL ARE REALLY BASED ON DISRUPTION. SO THE LOUD, THREATENING, ABUSIVE, PROFANE, SLANDEROUS SPEECH, IT HAS THE CAVEAT THAT IT MUST DISRUPT THE ORDERLY CONDUCT OF A MEETING. BUT WHEN YOU GET TO THE RESPECTFUL, THAT IS PERMISSIBLE UNDER THE BROWN ACT AND THE FIRST AMENDMENT. UH, BUT IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE AS A CITY WANT TO DISCOURAGE. SO THAT'S THE TREATING ALL PARTICIPANTS WITH COURTESY AND RESPECT, LISTENING ATTENTIVELY TO, UH, ALLOWING OTHERS TO, TO SPEAK WITHOUT INTERRUPTION, FOCUSING ON ISSUES, NOT INDIVIDUALS. I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GETTING AT, UM, THAT IS IN THE POLICY, BUT AGAIN, IT'S THE GUIDING PRINCIPLE AND NOT GROUNDS FOR, UH, REMOVAL. GOT IT. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER SHRI. UH, THANK YOU. UM, ABOUT 40 YEARS AGO, I GOT TRAINED AT, IN FACILITATION A WHOLE WEEK OF, UH, JUST HOW TO BE A FACILITATOR, HOW TO RUN MEETINGS AND THE LIKE, AND, UH, WORK WITH GROUPS. AND, UM, SO RIGHT AFTERWARDS THEY SAID, HEY, YOU'RE DOING MUCH BETTER, BUT WE NEVER ALLOW YOU TO DO THAT . BECAUSE AT THAT TIME, UM, I WASN'T VERY GOOD AT IT. [04:15:01] UH, I GOT BETTER. AND I THINK I'VE GOTTEN BETTER OVER TIME. LEARNED, ESPECIALLY RIGHT NOW, 17 YEARS OF TEACHING. AND IN HIGH SCHOOL, YES, I'VE GOT BETTER AT FACILITATING MEETINGS. 'CAUSE EVERY HOUR WAS A MEETING. UM, HOWEVER, IT IS A VERY DIFFICULT JOB AND WE NEED TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF CREDIT TO, TO OUR MAYOR TO DOING, WORKING REALLY HARD AT DOING THE BEST HE CAN ON THIS. AND HE'S GOT MORE SKILLS AT IT THAN I DO. UM, HOWEVER, THE, UM, THIS DECORUM IS A FIRST STEP. I THINK IT'S THE RIGHT DIRECTION. UM, I WANNA GO WITH THAT, THIS MOVE WITH IT. UM, HOWEVER, IT IS ONLY ONE STEP. THERE WAS A SECOND STEP. MS. ROGERS BROUGHT UP THE OTHER STEP, WHICH I'VE ALSO SENT, UH, REQUEST INTO, UM, STAFF AND THE MAYOR FOR AT LEAST A DISCUSSION. AND THAT IS HOW WE RUN THE ACTUAL, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT. UM, AND HOW TO DO THAT. IT'S VERY DIFFICULT. WE HAVE BUSINESS TO RUN 20 MINUTES ALLOCATED, THAT'S USUAL FOR CITIES. UM, BUT WHEN YOU'VE GOT, UM, 20, 30, 40 PEOPLE WANTING TO SAY SOMETHING AND THEN A 20 MINUTE LIMIT ON IT, THAT DOESN'T WORK. AND WHEN FOLKS HAVE, UM, A A BE ABLE TO SAY SOMETHING WITHIN ONE MINUTE, A FULL DI UH, AF AFTER YOU PREPARED A THREE MINUTE DEDICATED LINEAR LOGICAL DEBATE THOUGHT THEN GETTING CUT TO ONE MINUTE, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY NOT ACCEPTABLE EITHER. BUT WE'RE STILL STUCK WITH THIS 20 MINUTE LIMIT, UH, WHICH MANY TIMES 'CAUSE FOLKS COMING UP TAKES OVER A HALF AN HOUR, 40 MINUTES SOMETIMES EVEN WITH JUST, UH, WITH THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE. THE OTHER PROBLEM WE, UH, THAT I'VE NOTE IS YEAH, WE DO HAVE ONE GROUP EVERY WEEK. THEY, THEY COME UP AND WE ALLOW THEM TO GO ONE AFTER THE OTHER. AND THE SAME TOPIC, 10 SPEAKERS AT A TIME WILL COME UP AND WE ALLOW THAT. WHAT IF A SECOND GROUP, THE ANIMAL ACTIVISTS COME UP AND NOW IF WE HAVE THE REF OF REFERENDUM FOLKS, THEY COME UP AND THEY BRING IN THEIR 20 PEOPLE AND ANOTHER GROUP BRINGS IN THEIR 20 PEOPLE. WE GOT, WE COULD HAVE 60 PEOPLE HERE ALL WANTING TO SPEAK. OKAY, SO THEY ALL GET 10 SECONDS. NO. UM, SO WHEN THINGS GET INTO EMOTIONAL ISSUES, UM, I SAW THIS ONCE AT A SCHOOL BOARD MEETING, UH, AS A TEACHER, WE RAN INTO AN ISSUE AND WHAT THEY DID IS IF THERE IS A SERIOUS ISSUE THAT IS EMOTIONAL, THAT WOULD BE JUST ONE LISTENING SESSION CREATED. OKAY GUYS, WE'RE GONNA LISTEN. WE KNOW THIS IS A HOT TOPIC. WE KNOW YOU, UH, THERE'S LOTS OF ISSUES INVOLVED AND WE WANT TO HEAR EVERYBODY. WE'RE ALL WANNA SIT HERE AND WE'RE GONNA LISTEN FOR THREE HOURS UNTIL YOU'RE DONE. AND, AND THAT'S HOW THAT WORKED. AND IT WORKED OUT REALLY WELL FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD MEETING. SO THERE'S, THERE'S IDEAS WE CAN WORK WITH. SO ABOVE AND BEYOND THE DECORUM, WHICH I THINK WE NEED, I'D LIKE TO MOVE, UH, UH, FOR A VOTE ON THE DECORUM ISSUE RIGHT NOW. BUT THIS WOULD BE ONE STEP IN, IN MAYBE A COUPLE MORE STEPS, MAYBE NEEDED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, I'LL MOVE APPROVAL. IT'S ABSOLUTELY NEEDED. THANK YOU. DO WE, WHO HAS THAT FOR? DID YOU MOVE? JUST THERE? YEAH. THANK YOU. SECOND. AND THEN WE HAVE A SECOND OVER HERE. AND, UM, I WILL SAY THAT, UH, I APPRECIATE THE LEGAL BRINGING THIS TO US TONIGHT AND, UH, GETTING US SOMEWHAT CURRENT WITH STATE LAW. I MEAN, I HATE BEING BEHIND ON STATE LAW, SO IT'S IMPERATIVE TONIGHT TO BRING THIS, THIS IS, THIS IS GOOD PERFORMANCE BY THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT. UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALSO BEEN A, UM, CONVERSATION ABOUT, UH, HOW WE DEAL WITH PUB PUBLIC COMMENT. AND IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S TRICKY. UM, I, UH, HAVE A DECISION TO MAKE ABOUT WHEN WE'RE GOING OFF TARGET AND WHEN WE'RE NOT GOING OFF TARGET, WHAT'S CITY JURISDICTION AND, AND SUB SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION AND WHAT'S NOT. AND UM, AS COUNCIL MEMBER SHRI SAID, IT'S SOMEWHAT SUBJECTIVE. UH, IT'S A JUDGMENT CALL. AND SO I TRY TO AIR BY BRINGING THE SPEAKER ON TARGET, ASKING THEM TO SHOW THE CONNECTION TO CITY'S SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION. AND IN THE CASE IN POINT, UH, MRS. REIHART WAS HERE AND I ASKED HER AFTER HER HUSBAND HAD SPOKEN FOR THE, THE FULL ALLOTMENT ON, ON, UH, THE TOPIC. AT, AT THAT POINT I ASKED HER TO COME ON TOPIC AND SHE DECLINED. UM, SO I DON'T FEEL TOO BAD ABOUT THAT THOUGH. I DID SEND THEM AN EMAIL AFTERWARDS AND SUGGEST THAT IF FURTHER CONVERSATION WAS NECESSARY, WELL ALWAYS LISTEN PRIVATELY, BUT AT A PUBLIC MEETING, IT'S KIND OF CHALLENGING. UM, THE GAZA PEOPLE, THAT WAS A VERY LONG AND DIFFICULT, UH, PERIOD IN HERE AS DISCRETIONARY, IF THE ASK WAS THAT THE CITY, BECAUSE WE ALL SEND TAX MONEY IN, DO WE, WOULD WE PLEASE SAY THAT WE DON'T WANT TO SEND ANY MORE TAX MONEY TO BOMBS? THAT WAS THE GIST OF THAT. THOSE FOLKS SPOKE A LOT. UM, WE, WE CHOSE NOT TO ACT, BUT THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM THEM HAVING A VOICE IN THE MEETING. AND THEN, UH, WE DO HAVE A CASE WHERE THERE'S SOMEONE WHO'S VERY MUCH OPPOSED TO STATE POLICIES, UM, THAT ARE, UH, ABOUT DIVERSITY, EQUITY, AND INCLUSION SENSITIVITY TO PEOPLE. AND ON THAT CASE, I ASK, PLEASE BRING IT TO THE CITY. [04:20:01] HIS CONCERNS WOULD BE IF THEY STAYED AT THE STATE LEVEL, I'D ASK HIM TO DISCONTINUE SPEAKING IF HE BROUGHT IT TO THE, THE CITY LEVEL. THERE WAS, UM, THERE WAS AIRTIME FOR HIM IN THAT, IN THAT MOMENT. SO IT'S DIFFICULT DISCRETIONARY THING. AND I'LL TRY AND DO THE BEST, UM, TO MEET THE STANDARD. AND WITH THAT, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, I'D LIKE TO HAVE A ROLL CALL. VOTE BARNACLE. AYE. DI CARLY? NO. NOW. YES. SHRIVES. YES. QUINT, YES. MCDONALD? YES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT MOVES US TO OUR NEXT, UM, MR. MAYOR. I'M LOOKING AT THE CLOCK. YES. AND WE MIGHT, UH, GO PAST 11 O'CLOCK, SO I MAKE A MOTION TO GO PAST 11 O'CLOCK. SECOND, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MOTION SECOND BY A CLAIM. ARE WE ALL GOOD? ANYONE OPPOSING? OKAY. AND, AND AT THIS TIME I'M GONNA BRING UP, WE USED TO HAVE A THREE O'CLOCK MEETING, SO THAT PUBLIC COMMENTERS AND CONSENT CALENDAR, AND WE DIDN'T HAVE TO GO PAST 11 O'CLOCK, SO JUST KEEP THAT THREE O'CLOCK MEETING IN MIND FOR FUTURE FOR ALL THE RETIRED FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY. EXACTLY. AND FOR STAFF THAT HAS TO BE HERE FOR CONSENT CALENDAR. SO, AND [14. Resolution Approving Funding Appropriations for FY 2025-26 and FY 26-27 City of Petaluma’s Housing and Community Service Homeless Services Programs and Authorizing the City Manager to Execute Any Documents Necessary to Implement the Projects and Programs] SO OUR NEXT ITEM IS RELU, IS ITEM 14, RESOLUTION APPROVING FUNDING APPROPRIATIONS FOR 25, 26, 26, 27. UM, THE HOUSING AND COMMUNITY SERVICE HOMELESS SERVICES PROGRAMS, AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ANY DOCUMENTS NECESSARY TO IMPLEMENT THESE PROJECTS AND PROGRAMS. TO HELP US OUT WITH THIS, WE HAVE KAREN SHAMI ZU, OUR HOUSING MANAGER TO LEAD US IN GOOD EVENING. UH, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS. I ALSO HAVE SARAH WOLF, WHO WITH ME THIS EVENING, WHO IS A MANAGEMENT ANALYST WITHIN THE, UH, HOUSING DIVISION. I'D LIKE TO START OUT BY THANKING, UM, THANKING ALL THE MEMBERS OF OUR PARTNER ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE STILL HERE IN THE AUDIENCE WITH US TONIGHT. UM, APPRECIATE YOU ALL BEING HERE. UM, I THINK THEY'VE LEARNED A LOT ABOUT A LOT OF DIFFERENT AREAS OF CITY BUSINESS THAT THEY WEREN'T INFORMED OF, SO THEY'RE MAKING THE BEST OF IT. BUT THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR BEING HERE. SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND JUMP RIGHT IN HERE TO OUR PRESENTATION. UM, I'M PROBABLY GONNA KEEP IT, UH, A LITTLE BIT ABBREVIATED, BUT I DO WANNA AT LEAST TAKE THE TIME TO REALLY HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE GREAT WORK THAT OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS ARE DOING SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE BRINGING FOR YOU FOR FUNDING RECOMMENDATIONS. SO I'M GONNA DO AN OVERVIEW OF OUR ENDING ENDING HOMELESSNESS PROGRAM, SOME OF THE SUCCESSES AND CHALLENGES, UM, TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR ENCAMPMENT RESOLUTION PROGRAM, PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THAT, AND THEN TALK ABOUT OUR FUNDING RECOMMENDATIONS, AND THEN MOVE FORWARD WITH DISCUSSION AND COMMENTS ON STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS TO GET STARTED. OH, I'M GONNA LET GO THE THIRD SLIDE. YEAH. OKAY. I'M JUST GOING TO KEEP GOING HERE. UM, REAL HIGH LEVEL, WE HAD OUR HOMELESS SERVICES, STRATEGIC PLANNED AND HOMELESSNESS. THE MISSION, THE VISION WITH THAT IS BUILD A RESPONSE SYSTEM TO ENSURE HOMELESSNESS IS RARE, BRIEF, AND A ONE-TIME EXPERIENCE IN OUR COMMUNITY. SOME OF OUR STRATEGIC FOCUS AREAS WAS REALLY IMPLEMENTING A HOUSING FOCUSED OUTREACH APPROACH, WORKING WITH DEVELOPERS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, INCREASING OUR PERMIT, OUR PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING, EXPANDING SHELTER OPERATIONS, IMPROVING AND INCREASING THE CITY CAPACITY TO RESPOND, AS WELL AS OUR PROCESSES, IDENTIFYING AND TACKLING THE ROOT CAUSES, AND ALSO ALIGNING WITH OTHER CITIES AND SUB REGIONS AS TO HOW OUR PROGRAMS ARE IMPLEMENTED. SO VERY QUICKLY, I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ON THE NEXT SLIDE. YEAH. ABOUT, UM, YEAR 1, 22, 23 LAUNCH CRITICAL SYSTEMS ESTABLISH A DATA FRAMEWORK, AND WE MADE PROGRAM CHANGES TO RESPOND TO THE NEED. WE ESTABLISHED PEOPLE'S VILLAGE, WHICH WAS 25 UNITS OF INTERIM HOUSING. WE WORKED WITH BURBANK HOUSING ON DEVELOPING OR DOING A REHAB FOR 60 UNITS OF PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING. AND WE ALSO ESTABLISHED NEW, NEW SERVICE MODELS. A LOT OF THAT WAS BASED ON OUR RESPONSE TO HOW THE CITY WAS GOING TO RESPOND TO OUR HOMELESS ENCAMPMENTS, BUT WITH A SERVICE VIRTUAL APPROACH TO HIGHLIGHT A LITTLE BIT OF THAT. OKAY, I'M JUST GONNA KEEP GOING, BUT IT'S, IT'S, THE SLIDES ARE NOT KEEPING UP WITH ME HERE. SO, UM, WE HAVE A COUPLE, UM, PHOTOS I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT HERE. YOU CAN SEE THE PICTURE THERE OF WHAT SOMEONE WAS LIVING LIKE WITHIN A HOME AT THE CONDITIONS THEY WERE LIVING IN AN ENCAMPMENT. AND THEN YOU CAN ALSO SEE WHAT [04:25:01] THE, UM, WHAT THE CLEANUP EFFORTS LOOK LIKE. REALLY A LOT OF THIS AT STEAMER LANDING, IT WAS, YOU KNOW, A CENTRAL PARK IN PETALUMA WITH 50 TO 60 PEOPLE LIVING ALONG THE WATERWAYS. WE BUILT A SYSTEM WHERE WE CITY WAS ABLE TO LIFT A LEGAL INJUNCTION, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, WE BUILT A SYSTEM THAT REALLY BUILT A COLLABORATION OF SERVICE PROVIDERS WORKING TOGETHER. FROM THERE, WE MOVED ON. WE WERE FORTUNATE. WE APPLIED FOR THE FIRST ROUND OF ERF FUNDING AND THE CITY WAS AWARDED A $2 MILLION GRANT. WE USED THAT FUNDING TO FOCUS ON OUR CEDAR GROVE ENCAMPMENT. IT HAD BEEN ESTABLISHED A LONG TIME. THE FOCUS THERE WAS THE CONCERN WAS PUBLIC SAFETY, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, AND WATER QUALITY. WE APPLIED THE LEARNINGS FROM STEAMER LANDING AND WE SUCCESSFULLY MITIGATED THAT ENCAMPMENT AS WELL WITH A SERVICE PURCHASED APPROACH. MOVING FORWARD INTO THE NEXT YEAR, IT WAS REALLY ABOUT BUILDING ON OUR EXISTING SYSTEMS, APPLYING AND REFINING OUR APPROACHES WITH THAT, OUR SYSTEMS CAPACITY, WE FOCUSED ON INCREASING IT. WHAT WE LEARNED FROM OUR ENCAMPMENT WORK IS THAT THE BY NAMES LIST PROGRAM FOR HOUSING AND HOUSING FOCUSED STREET OUTREACH, AS WELL AS IMPLEMENTING A LANDLORD RECRUITMENT PROGRAM WERE ESSENTIAL TO MOVING PEOPLE FROM HOMELESSNESS INTO HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES. PART OF THE WORK THAT WE DID THERE AND PART OF THE PROGRAMS WE IMPLEMENTED WERE INCORPORATED BASED ON THE LIVED EXPERIENCE SURVEY WE DID WITH FAMILIES AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS. SO IT WASN'T, WE WERE STILL LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, LOCAL BEST PRACTICES, STATE BEST PRACTICES, BUT REALLY THE PROGRAM THAT WE DESIGNED HERE IN PETALUMA WAS RESPONDING TO WHAT OUR COMMUNITIES SAW AS A NEED IN OUR CURRENT YEAR, WHICH IS THE THIRD YEAR OF OUR HOMELESS SERVICES, UH, PLAN, WE'VE BEEN WORKING, UM, WE'VE PIVOTED AS NEEDED, LIKE WAS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT I JUST TALKED TO. WE'RE STARTING TO PLAN FOR OUR NEXT ACTION CYCLE. AS AN EXAMPLE, SOME OF THE THINGS WE DID, WE DID SHELTER ENHA ENHANCEMENTS. WE HAVE AN AGING POPULATION, UM, THAT NEEDS MORE SINGLE BUNKS. AND SO WE WORKED WITH, UH, COTS AND THEY ADDED MORE, UM, BOTTOM BUNKS TO ACCOMMODATE THE NEED. WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPERS AND, AND OUR OWNERSHIP PROGRAM TO PROVIDE MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS, AS WELL AS THOSE PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE UNITS. AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, WE STARTED A PREVENTION PROGRAM. SO IT'S REALLY KIND OF CONTINUING TO EVOLVE WHERE IT'S NOT JUST HOW DO WE RESPOND TO THE NEEDS IN THE COMMUNITY, BUT HOW DO WE MAKE SURE WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD A BALANCED PROGRAM THAT'S GONNA ALSO, UH, HELP US WITH PREVENTION. THE LAST, I THINK, BIG KEY, UM, ACCOMPLISHMENT THIS YEAR WAS WE APPLIED TO THE ENCAMPMENT RESOLUTION PROGRAM AGAIN, AND WE AWARDED $8.1 MILLION TO SUPPORT OUR ONGOING PROGRAMS AND SERVICES. THIS NEXT SLIDE IS HOW DO WE ORGANIZE THE WORK? HOW DO WE TALK ABOUT IT? HOW DO WE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE VISUAL? HOW DO WE MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL MOVING IN THE SAME DIRECTION? SO WE CREATED OUR PETALUMA PATHWAY TO HOUSING. WE CALL IT OUR STEP PROGRAM. THE SYSTEMS IS REALLY ABOUT WHAT ARE THOSE SOCIAL INFLUENCES THAT ARE PUSHING PEOPLE TOWARDS, UM, BEING UNHOUSED. THEN WE HAVE TRIAGE, WHICH IS MORE ABOUT DO PEOPLE NEED PREVENTION? YOU KNOW, CAN WE HELP THEM PREVENT THEM BEING HOMELESS? OR DO WE NEED TO GET THEM ENGAGED WITH SERVICE PROVIDERS, THE ENGAGEMENT HAPPENS WHETHER THEY'RE IN SHELTER AND OR DOING STREET FOCUSED HOUSING OUTREACH. AND THE PLACEMENT IS REALLY GIVING PEOPLE A PLACE, A SAFE, UH, PLACE TO LIVE, WHICH COULD BE TEMPORARILY A SHELTER SITUATION WITH A LONG-TERM GOAL OF GETTING PEOPLE INTO HOUSING SOLUTIONS. SO WHAT REALLY CHANGED, WHAT WAS A HUGE, UH, GAME CHANGER WITHIN THE WORK THAT WE WERE DOING, WE IMPLEMENTED THE BY NAMES LIST PROGRAM. IT'S A DATA INFORMED SYSTEM, 90 MINUTES WEEKLY MEETINGS ON MONDAYS, AND WE MEET WITH ALL THE SERVICE COORDINATORS AND WE TALK ABOUT WHAT'S THE NEED WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY, HOW ARE PEOPLE MOVING FORWARD? I THINK CURRENTLY, UM, THE NUMBERS CHANGE ON A REGULAR BASIS. WE HAVE ABOUT, UH, 286 PEOPLE, UM, ON OUR BY NAMES LIST. UM, AND THE MAJORITY OF THOSE PEOPLE, PROBABLY TWO THIRDS OF THEM ARE EITHER IN SHELTER AND OR THEY'RE CONNECTED WITH CASE MANAGEMENT SERVICES. SO THE MAJORITY OF OUR UN UN UNSHELTERED COMMUNITY [04:30:01] MEMBERS, UM, ARE CONNECTED DIRECTLY WITH THE SUPPORT THEY NEED. I JUST WANNA QUICKLY HIGHLIGHT THIS NEXT SLIDE. IT'S REALLY ABOUT A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT, BUT I WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE EVERYONE. UM, ALL OF OUR SERVICE PROVIDERS HELP SUPPORT THIS SYSTEM, BUT REALLY IT'S COTS AND HOMEFIRST THAT DO THE MAJORITY OF THAT HOUSING FOCUS CASE MANAGEMENT TO MOVE P PEOPLE INTO THOSE LONGER TERM, UM, SHELTER SOLUTIONS. I ALSO WANNA, UH, MENTION THAT WHEN I MENTIONED THAT NUMBER, THE BY NAME LIST, THAT PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING IN CARS, TENTS, RVS, AS WELL AS IN SHELTER, ARE ALL ON THE BY NAMES LIST AND CONSIDERED UNSHELTERED. THIS NEXT SLIDE, REAL QUICKLY, I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE WAY WE IDENTIFY PEOPLE THAT HAVE NEEDS IS CHRONIC AND NON CHRONIC. CHRONIC ARE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN UNSHELTERED FOR A YEAR OR LONGER, OR THEY HAVE MOVED IN AND OUTTA HOMELESSNESS. WE HAVE ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT MEET THAT DEFINITION WE'RE WORKING WITH. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE NON CHRONIC, WHICH ARE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN UNSHELTERED OR HAS HAVE HAD HOUSING INSTABILITY, UM, FOR, UM, LESS THAN A YEAR. AND THAT'S ABOUT A THIRD OF OUR, UM, COMMUNITY MEMBERS WE'RE WORKING WITH. BUT AGAIN, I WANNA HIGHLIGHT THE CREATIVITY OF THE SERVICE PROVIDERS AND WHAT WE'VE DONE. WE PIVOTED BECAUSE OUR CHRONIC COAS NEED THAT HIGHER LEVEL OF SERVICE. THEY NEED THAT PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING. BUT OUR NON CHRONIC, UM, HOMELESS, UH, COMMUNITY, IT'S THE THINGS LIKE THE EMPLOYMENT COACHING AND THAT PROGRAM THAT REBUILDING TOGETHER IS DOING. IT'S THAT LANDLORD RECRUITMENT, IT'S THAT HOUSING READINESS. AND SO IT'S PROVIDED US THE ABILITY TO NOT JUST SERVE THOSE MOST AT NEED, BUT TO REALLY CREATE A BALANCED, UH, PROGRAM AND SERVE ALL WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. I AM GONNA JUST QUICKLY TOUCH ON THIS, OUR AGING DEMOGRAPHICS, UM, PETALUMA ACROSS THE COUNTY, UM, WE HAVE THE HIGHEST POPULATION OF, UM, OF AGING MEMBERS IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT ARE UNSHELTERED. SO YOU CAN SEE ON THE GRAPH THERE, UM, THOSE HIGHEST CATEGORIES ARE BETWEEN 45 AND 59 OR 60 AND OLDER. AND SO AGAIN, OUR PARTNER AGENCIES ARE REAL CREATIVE. AND WHAT ARE THOSE CHANGING NEEDS AND HOW DO WE MAKE SURE WE'RE TAKING CARE OF OUR VULNERABLE SENIORS? THIS NEXT SLIDE, I THINK IS, IS KIND OF THE HIGHLIGHT. AND THESE ARE ALL, UM, REPRESENTATIVE OF OUR BY NAMES LIST TEAM. THEY HAVE THIS DATA, I'M JUST SHARING WITH YOU ABOUT FOUR SLIDES TODAY, BUT THEY REALLY HAVE IN-DEPTH DATA AVAILABLE. I THINK THIS IS THE ONE THAT WE'RE MOST PROUD OF. REALLY, THIS SPEAKS ABOUT HOW THE CITY IS WORKING SUCCESSFULLY WITH THEIR PARTNERS ON IMPLEMENTING THE PATHWAY TO HOUSING PROGRAM. IF YOU TAKE A LOOK, THIS IS WHEN WE STARTED WITH OUR BY NAMES LIST. IN YEAR ONE, WE WERE JUMPING FOR JOY BECAUSE WE GOT 11 PEOPLE HOUSED IN A QUARTER. IF YOU TAKE A LOOK NOW, BECAUSE OF THAT COLLABORATION AND THE WORK THE PARTNERS DO TOGETHER, UM, THIS LAST QUARTER ENDING IN MARCH, UH, WE WERE ABLE TO GET 40 PEOPLE, UH, 40, UM, COMMUNITY MEMBERS HOUSED OUT OF THOSE 40 MEMBERS. I THINK IT'S KEY THAT THE WORK WE DO IS WITH FAMILIES AND WITH INDIVIDUALS. OUT OF THAT 40, THERE WERE 12 FAMILIES AND THERE WERE 28 INDIVIDUALS THAT WENT INTO HOUSING. SO AGAIN, OUR SERVICE PROVIDERS ARE REALLY GREAT AT MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH ALL OUR POPULATIONS, UM, IN ESTABLISHING A DIVERSE PROGRAM. SLIDES ARE DELAYED. OKAY. UM, OKAY. I'M GONNA MOVE ON FROM THERE. THANKS. YEP. I WANTED TO TOUCH A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, A LOT OF THE MAJORITY OF THE FUNDING THAT WE'RE USING TO SUPPORT OUR PROGRAMS, UM, IS FROM OUR CURRENT ENCAMPMENT PROGRAM. UM, THERE'S A COUPLE KEY THINGS ABOUT THAT PROGRAM. THE FOCUS IS TO ADDRESS, UM, ENCAMPMENTS WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. THE STATE IS DEFINED IN ENCAMPMENT AS TWO MORE OR MORE PEOPLE LIVING IN AN AREA AND OR, OR, UH, TWO OR MORE PEOPLE STORING BELONGINGS. WE STARTED WITH THE PLAN OF HAVING SCATTERED SITES WITH THAT CHANGE DEFINITION AND TALK, WORKING WITH THE STATE, WE'RE ABLE TO SERVE, UM, A LOT MORE MEMBERS WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. THE GOAL OF THAT PROGRAM WAS TO, TO WORK WITH, UM, A HUNDRED INDIVIDUALS AND TO BE ABLE TO SUCCESSFULLY MOVE 75 INTO HOUSING. UM, THE CITY IS OFF TO A GREAT START IN WORKING WITH THE PARTNERS, UM, AND WE'RE DOING GREAT WORK ON MEETING THOSE DELIVERABLES. I THINK ONE THING THAT I WANTED TO REALLY HIGHLIGHT, AND ONE OF THE PRIMARY REASONS WE'RE BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS THAT BASED ON THE, UM, THE REGULATIONS OF THIS PROGRAM, THE CITY NEEDS TO HAVE 50% [04:35:01] OF THAT GRANT FUNDING OUT THE DOOR IN DISTRIBUTED TO OUR PARTNER ORGANIZATIONS. SO FOR THAT REASON, WE'RE BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING, WE HAVE INCORPORATED IN, UM, THE ENCAMPMENT PROGRAM WAS NOT INTENDED. OUR FUNDING WAS NOT INTENDED TO, TO FUND THE ENTIRE PROGRAM. IT WAS MEANT TO LEVERAGE OUR EXISTING FUNDING. UM, AND SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE TONIGHT. UM, BUT THAT'S WHY WE'RE FOR YOU THIS EVENING BECAUSE WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE MEET THAT JUNE 30TH DEADLINE. THERE IS A MEETING WITH THE STATE TOMORROW. THEY ARE LOOKING AT SEEING IF THAT DEADLINE CAN BE PUSHED OUT, BUT AT THIS POINT, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY FINAL DETERMINATION. SO WE WILL KNOW MORE, BUT WE HAVE A PLAN, UM, IN WORKING WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND FINANCE TO MAKE SURE WE MEET THOSE REGULATIONS. THE KEY ACTIVITIES IN THERE, I WON'T READ THROUGH ALL OF THEM, UM, BUT REALLY WHAT IT IS, IS IT'S SUPPLEMENTING OUR EXISTING, UH, PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE. THERE'S A FEW KEY THINGS, UM, THAT WE ARE STILL WORKING ON IN THERE, AND THAT IS, UM, UH, EXPANDING OUR FAMILY SHELTER CAPACITY, WHICH IS ADDING 20 MORE SHELTER BEDS. WE'RE WORKING WITH, UM, COTS AND PPSC, TAKING A LOOK AT THE, UM, EXISTING FACILITY. UM, THE OTHER AREA IS, IS THAT WE ARE GONNA BE WORKING WITH OUR SERVICE PROVIDERS. WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ESTABLISH A CASE MANAGE OR HOUSING CASE MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T HAD BEFORE, WHICH IS ONCE WE, UM, ARE COMMUNITY MEMBERS, UM, TRANSITION INTO HOUSING, WE HAVE A CASE MANAGER THAT CAN STAY WITH THEM TO PROVIDE THAT ADDITIONAL SUPPORT TO KEEP THEM HOUSED. IT'S OKAY. I'M JUST GONNA KEEP GOING. AGAIN. I'M JUST GONNA HIGHLIGHT WE STARTED WITH THE, UH, PATHWAY TO HOUSING. UM, YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT ONE. WHAT THIS NEXT SLIDE DOES IS IT DEMONSTRATES THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'VE CREATED A BALANCED SYSTEM OR A PROGRAM. SO YOU CAN SEE WE'RE MAKING FUNDING RECOMMENDATIONS IN ALL THE DIFFERENT AREAS, SYSTEMS, TRIAGE, ENGAGEMENT, UM, PLACEMENT, UM, AS WELL AS PERMANENT HOUSING. THIS NEXT SLIDE THAT WE HAVE, IT WAS INCLUDED, UM, IN, IN THE STAFF REPORT IS REALLY, UM, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS IT'S OUR BUDGET PLAN FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS. UM, IT IS ORGANIZED BY ORGANIZATION, BY PROGRAM IN REGARD TO THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR FUNDING THERE WITHIN THE ATTACH THE STAFF REPORT, THERE WAS ALSO A DETAILED, UM, OUTLINE OF BY AGENCY OF THE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS AND THE SCOPE OF WORKS AND THE DELIVERABLES TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION AS FAR AS WHAT THOSE AGENCIES WOULD BE WORKING TOWARDS ACHIEVING. I THINK WE'LL GO TO THE LAST ONE. SO WITH THAT, UM, REALLY WE WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THE CONVERSATION THIS EVENING, UM, WANTING TO CONTINUE THE GREAT WORK. TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT EXPANDING THE FAMILY SHELTER. TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, THE HOUSING RETENTION CASE MANAGEMENT. ANOTHER KEY INITIATIVE IS THIS YEAR IS WE WOULD BE, UM, LAUNCHING OUR HOUSING PROBLEM SOLUTION FUND. IT'S A KEY PROGRAM. IT'S, UM, ONE OF THE SUCCESSES IN THE INPUT WE'VE GOTTEN BACK IS THAT WHEN THERE'S FLEXIBLE FUNDING TO HELP PEOPLE MOVE IN, WHETHER IT'S WITH A SECURITY DEPOSIT, WHETHER IT'S, UM, PAYING A PAST DUE UTILITY BILL, WHETHER IT'S PAYING A STORAGE BILL, THERE COULD BE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT ARE GETTING IN THE WAY OF SOMEONE BEING ABLE TO MOVE INTO HOUSING SUCCESSFULLY. THAT FLEXIBLE FUNDING REALLY MAKES A DIFFERENCE. IT'S ONE OF THE KEY REASONS WHY PETALUMA HAS BEEN SEEING THE SUCCESS WE HAVE IS BECAUSE WITHIN OUR PROGRAMS, WE'VE BUILT IN THAT FLEXIBLE FUNDING, UH, TO SUPPORT OUR CLIENTS. UM, SO WE'LL BE WORKING, UM, ON IMPLEMENTING THAT. I THINK THE, THE, UH, THE FINAL POINT, WHICH IS DEFINITELY ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ONES, IS WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH OUR PARTNER AGENCIES, UM, IN SEEKING, UM, FUNDING SOURCES. UM, I KNOW WE HAVE FUNDING FOR OUR PROGRAM FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS, BUT NOW'S THE TIME WHEN WE START THINKING ABOUT HOW DO WE FUND THE, UM, THE ONGOING PROGRAM OPERATIONS AND WHAT MAKES SENSE. UM, SO WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. I DO REALLY JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO ALL THE PARTNER AGENCIES FOR BEING HERE SO LATE. UM, YEAH, THANK YOU EVERYBODY. UM, AND WE DO HAVE THE EXPERTS IN THE ROOM, SO IF YOU DO HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THE SERVICES OR THE WORK WE'RE DOING, UM, I THINK THEY'D ALL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO COME UP AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. WONDERFUL PRESENTATION. UM, YOU GUYS, YOU PROVIDERS ARE DOING SO MUCH AND, AND, UH, AND, AND IN PETALUMA ACHIEVING MORE THAN THE COUNTYWIDE AVERAGE. I MEAN, WE'RE REALLY TO, BECAUSE OF YOU DOING SO, SO WELL, UM, BUT THE NEED'S SO HIGH. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER [04:40:01] SHRI, UH, JUST A QUESTION. UH, THIS IS THE FIRST I'VE HEARD OF 1500 PETALUMA, UH, CAMPUS. UH, DO YOU HAVE A LOCATION OR CAN WE SEE THAT ON A MAP OR WHAT SIZE OR SHAPE THAT IS? UH, BECAUSE I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT. YES, I CAN. THAT'S ACTUALLY CURRENTLY, UM, A CITY OWNED FACILITY. IT'S LOCATED AT 1500, UH, PETALUMA BOULEVARD SOUTH. IT'S A TWO ACRE PARCEL. THE CITY OWNS, UM, ONE ACRE OF IT IS, UH, VACANT LAND. THE ADJACENT ACRE HAS A BUILDING ON IT WHERE PPSC, PETALUMA PEOPLE SERVICES HAS THEIR ADMINISTRATIVE AND SERVICES OFFICES. AND THEN THE OTHER PART OF THAT BUILDING IS WHERE OUR CURRENT FAMILY SHELTER IS LOCATED, THE COTS FAMILY SHELTER. GOOD. AND, UM, UM, I KNOW THERE'S LIKE 10 ACRES BEHIND THE PENAL PEOPLE SERVICES RIGHT NEXT TO WHERE VENA IS GOING TO BE. IS THAT ANOTHER POSSIBLE SPOT IF WE'RE GOING TO DO SOME CONSTRUCTION OR ANYTHING, OR THIS BUILDING'S ALREADY IN PLACE. THIS BUILDING IS ALREADY IN PLACE. I THINK WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE EXISTING CAMPUS AND SEEING IF THERE'S ANY WAY, UM, THAT, THAT WE COULD, UM, POTENTIALLY MAYBE PUT SOME PORTABLE UNITS THERE TO EXPAND OFFICE SPACE ON THERE. WE'RE LOOKING FOR, WE'RE LOOKING AT A LOT OF CREATIVE SOLUTIONS. WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT KIND OF THE PARKING CONFIGURATION OF THAT CAMPUS AS WELL. WE'RE KIND OF IN THE VERY EARLY INITIAL STAGES OF THAT. UM, BUT WE HAVE OUR, YOU KNOW, PE ELISE WHO UNFORTUNATELY COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT. SHE'S WORKING WITH US, CHRIS, AND THEN, UH, DRAKE FROM REBUILDING IS HELPING US KIND OF WITH SOME SITE PLANNING. GOOD. SO WE HAVE SOME FUTURE OPTIONS TO WORK WITH. THANK YOU. YES, THANK YOU. AND, UM, HOW ARE WE DOING ON STAFFING? I UNDERSTOOD STAFFING TO BE A CRITICAL ISSUE AND, AND, UH, RETENTION AND THINGS LIKE THAT, ESPECIALLY FOR EXPANSION OF THE FAMILY CENTER. ARE WE ABLE TO RECRUIT FOLKS STAFFING FOR THE, WELL, ISN'T THE LIMITATION ON THE STAFFING, THE, UM, ON THE FAMILY CENTER, THE STAFFING LEVELS THAT IT'S REQUIRED TO, TO EXPAND THAT FACILITY? RIGHT. THEY, THERE IS, UM, FUNDING WITHIN THE ENCAMPMENT PROGRAM THAT WOULD PROVIDE FOR, UM, STAFFING AS WELL AS THE FUNDING THAT'S PROPOSED FOR DOING ANY CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALSO, UM, I LOVE WHAT PETALUMA'S DOING WITH A BY NAMES LIST. UM, YOU KNOW, UM, NOT ALL PLACES IN THE COUNTY ARE AS AGGRESSIVE A BUILDING THEIR BY NAMES LIST. AND, AND I THINK IT'S A VALUABLE PROGRAM. UM, SO WHEN WE SEE THE POINT IN TIME COUNT NUMBER AND PETALUMA HAS MORE NAMES ON THE BY NAMES LIST THAN THE POINT IN TIME, IT'S NOT A BAD THING AND IT'S NOT. AND THEN WHEN, WHEN ANOTHER CITY HAS, UM, LESS ON THEIR BY NAMES LIST AND ON THEIR POINT IN TIME COUNTS, IT'S, IT'S JUST THAT WE WERE MOVING REALLY FAST INTO THE BETTER METRICS FOR, UH, WHO'S HOMELESS AND WHAT, WHAT SERVICES THEY NEED. UM, BUT AS WE WERE DISCUSSING EARLIER, UH, CHILDREN IN THE FAMILY CENTER, THE CHILDREN DON'T COUNT IN THE BY NAMES LIST. SO REALLY IT'S NOT A 2 97 IS NOT THE REAL NUMBER FOR PETALUMA. IT'S, IT'S A NUMBER THAT WE'RE ABLE TO MEASURE WHETHER IT'S GOING UP OR GOING DOWN AND WHAT OUR PLACEMENTS ARE. SO MY QUESTION ABOUT THE PLACEMENTS IS, OF THE PLACEMENTS YOU'RE QUOTING, ARE THEY IN PETALUMA OR SOME IN PETALUMA IN SOME PLACED OUT OF PETALUMA WHEN IT COMES TO, UM, HOUSING PLACEMENTS. SOME OF THEM ARE IN PETALUMA, SOME OF THEM ARE IN, YOU KNOW, OTHER AREAS OF THE COUNTY BECAUSE WE'RE WORKING TO FIND ANY HOUSE THAT'S OPEN THAT'S AVAILABLE TO US. YES. YEAH. AND, UM, UM, THERE'S JUST SO MUCH IN THIS FIELD, BUT DO THE TIME. DAMN. LET LET IT, UM, GO. YOU'RE DOING GREAT WORK AND SEEING NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR QUESTION FROM BARNACLE. YEAH. THE, THE SLOT YOU HAD WITH THE BUBBLES ON IT, UM, MADE ME WONDER WHAT THE PROPORTIONALITY OF THE BUBBLES WAS. WHAT WAS THAT REF REFLECTING? THE BUBBLES WERE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE NUMBER OF, UM, CLIENTS THAT THOSE ORGANIZATIONS ARE WORKING WITH. AND SO REALLY IT WAS A REPRESENTATION OF THE BY NAMES LIST AND BETWEEN, UM, COTS IN BETWEEN HOME FIRST, THEY'RE PROVIDING THE MAJORITY OF THOSE CASE MANAGEMENT SERVICES. GOT YOU. OKAY. UM, AND THEN THE, UM, THE MEAL PROGRAM HAS BEEN A COMMON, UM, CONCERN FROM THE RIVERFRONT COMMUNITY. AND, AND CAN YOU JUST TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH RESPECT TO PROVIDING SPACES THAT ARE OFF STREET FOR THE, UH, FOR THE, UM, THE CLIENTS AT THE MARY ISAAC CENTER OR THE MEAL PROGRAM? UM, THANKS. SO TO DATE, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS, UM, COTS HAS, UM, THERE, THERE WAS A COUPLE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WAS NOT JUST THE MEALS PROGRAM, BUT I THINK IT WAS LOITERING IN, IN GENERAL THAT WAS HAPPENING THERE. [04:45:01] THERE WAS A COUPLE THINGS THEY DID. THEY MOVED, UH, CREATED A, A SMOKING AREA FOR THE CLIENTS THAT WAS LOCATED ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY SO PEOPLE WOULDN'T BE TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, AND IT WAS LOCATED ON THE PROPERTY. THE OTHER THING THEY DID IS THEY, UM, ADDED AN OUT OUTSIDE SPACE, UM, WHICH HAS PICNIC TABLES AND A COVERED AREA. AND SO CLIENTS CAN GO AHEAD, UM, IN, YOU KNOW, WAIT ON THE PROPERTY VERSUS WAITING OUT IN FRONT. THEY'VE ALSO ADDED STAFFING AND, UM, THEY'RE ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO ENJOY THEIR MEALS THERE. THEY CAN'T MANDATE THAT. UM, BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING WITH THE SPACE. WE ARE HAVING SOME, UH, CONVERSATIONS AS WE TAKE A LOOK AT, UM, THE, UH, POTENTIAL OF EXPANDING THE FAMILY SHELTER NEEDS. WE'RE ALSO HAVING MORE CONVERSATIONS WITH COTS ABOUT WHAT IS, WHAT ARE THEIR FACILITY NEEDS, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR STAFFING. IF WE MOVE STAFF, WOULD THAT CREATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE MORE AREAS ON CAMPUS OPEN UP? AND SO WE'RE REALLY, INSTEAD OF JUST LOOKING AT ONE INDIVIDUAL OBJECTIVE, WE'RE LOOKING AT KIND OF HOLISTICALLY WHERE ARE THE ORGANIZATIONS? WHAT ARE THEIR CURRENT NEEDS? WHAT ARE THEIR, YOU KNOW, MEDIUM NEEDS, AND WHAT ARE THEIR LONG-TERM NEEDS IN REGARD TO SERVICES? UM, STAFFING, YOU KNOW, STAFFING OFFICES AND SERVING CLIENTS. GREAT, THANKS. AND THEN LAST QUESTION ON THE, UM, FAMILY SHELTER, ARE WE EXPANDING WITHIN THE, LIKE THE, THE FRONT HALF OF IT, OR ARE WE ACTUALLY BUMPING BACK INTO THE BACK HALF OF THAT PROPERTY? THE SECOND HALF WE WOULDN'T BE, WELL, UM, THERE, THERE IS THE OPPORTUNITY CURRENTLY, UM, PETALUMA PEOPLE SERVICES HAS STAFF OFFICES WITHIN THE EXISTING WING OF WHERE THE FAMILY SHELTER IS. SO IT'S REALLY KIND OF WORKING WITH ELISE AND HER TEAM AS FAR AS IF WE CAN RELOCATE THOSE STAFFING OFFICES, THEN WE WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO ADD THAT ADDITIONAL SHELTER CAPACITY WE'RE LOOKING FOR. WE HAD BEEN TALKING WITH COTS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IS THERE ANOTHER LOCATION, IS THERE ANOTHER FACILITY? BUT REALLY, UM, WHAT THE COTS TEAM BROUGHT FORWARD IS THEY SAID IT'S KIND OF MORE BEST PRACTICES HAVING, IF YOU'RE OPERATING A FAMILY SHELTER, HAVING IT IN THE SAME LOCATION. BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IS THEY CREATE A COMMUNITY AND THEY ALL SUPPORT ONE ANOTHER AS THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD, UM, IN, IN FINDING ADDITIONAL RESOURCES. SO IT WOULD BE WITHIN THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT. GOTCHA. IS THERE ANY PLAN FOR THE SECOND, THE SECOND HALF OF THE PROPERTY? UM, FOR THE, UM, THE ACRE OF LAND THAT'S VACANT, I THINK PROBABLY THE CITY'S, UM, LONG-TERM VISION. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE TIMELINE IS ON THAT, BUT WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE IT AS SURPLUS PROPERTY AND LOOK TO RE REDEVELOP IT. LOVE TO HEAR THAT. UM, SOONER THE BETTER. THANKS. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANKS. AND TWO OTHER ISSUES THAT COME UP AT THE, UM, HOMELESS COALITION. UM, ONE OF THEM IS THE VACANCY RATE AT SHELTERS, UM, AND WHETHER IT'S BEING RETAINED FOR CAMP CLEARING AND, AND, UH, SO, AND WHETHER, UH, OUTREACH TEAMS HAVE ACCESS TO REFER PEOPLE TO THE BEDS THAT ARE AVAILABLE. UM, DO WE HAVE OUR, UM, LOCAL VACANCY AND AVERAGE VACANCY RATE, UH, AT YOUR FINGERTIPS? I DO NOT HAVE THAT AT MY FINGERTIPS. UM, AND CHRIS, UH, UH, I THINK THERE'S A FEW MEMBERS OF HER TEAM HERE. UM, SHE WAS OUT ON VACATION. SHE WOULD PROBABLY IMMEDIATELY BE ABLE TO HAND THAT OVER. UM, I THINK WHAT I CAN SAY IS THE WAY THE PETALUMA, HUH? OH, I CAN PROBABLY ANSWER THAT QUESTION. OKAY. AND THE, THIS IS GARRETT, GARRETT CRANE WITH, UH, HE'S, I'M THE DIRECTOR OF SHELTER SERVICES WITH COTS. OKAY. WITH COTS. THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH. AND ARE WE HOLDING ANY OF THAT FOR, UH, CLEARING PROGRAMS? SO, THE COUNTY DOES HAVE A STANDARD THAT WE, UM, HAVE OFFER 25% OF OUR CAPACITY TO OUTREACH EMERGENCY BEDS IS WHAT THEY'RE CATEGORIZED AS. SO WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE THOSE EMERGENCY REFERRALS. WHAT WE'VE TYPICALLY DONE, I'VE BEEN WITH COTS FOR A YEAR, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS DONE BEFORE THAT. UM, BUT IN, IN THE LAST YEAR, WE HAVE, UH, WORKED WITH, UH, HOME FIRST OUTREACH AND THE CITY, THEY'LL NOTIFY US OF ENCAMPMENT, CLEARINGS THAT ARE IMPENDING AND ASK THAT MAYBE WE SET ASIDE A FEW BUTT BEDS FOR THE POTENTIAL THAT THOSE INDIVIDUALS ARE INTERESTED IN TAKING THEM. UM, SOMETIMES IT HAPPENS, SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T. UM, BUT WE DO HAVE AN AVENUE FOR OUR PARTNERS TO REACH OUT AND CONNECT WITH US TO TAKE ANY AVAILABLE BEDS THAT WE DO HAVE, SHOULD THEY NEED THEM. I WILL SAY THERE IS THE CAVEAT, TYPICALLY WE DON'T HAVE MANY TO OFFER, AND THE LARGEST, UH, ASK IS FOR BOTTOM BUNKS, RIGHT? UH, AS YOU SAW, OUR POPULATION IS LARGELY SENIORS, AND SO BOTTOM BUNKS ARE IN SHORT SUPPLY BETWEEN THEM AND FOLKS WHO HA ARE MEDICALLY VULNERABLE FOR VARIOUS DIFFERENT REASONS. SO ARE YOU SAYING YOU [04:50:01] HOLD 25% VACANCY? SO WE DON'T NECESSARILY HOLD, LIKE, HOLD BEDS EMPTY. EMPTY, RIGHT. SO IT, IT'S ON A FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE BASIS. WE HAVE THE CAPACITY FOR THE 25%, AND THEN WE HAVE A WAIT LIST. RIGHT? AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT A WAIT LIST OF 150 PEOPLE AT ANY GIVEN TIME, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT. NOW WE'RE GOING BACK TO FEBRUARY FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR BUNK SPACE. SO WE TAKE REFERRALS AS THEY COME UP TO A 25% OF THAT, AND THE REST ARE FILLED ON THE FIRST COME FIRST SERVE BASIS. SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE, I BELIEVE, 83, 84 PEOPLE IN THE SHELTER. THE VACANT BUNKS ARE TOP BUNKS, WHICH TYPICALLY AREN'T REQUESTED WHEN WE HAVE THOSE EMERGENCY REFERRALS COME IN. ON OCCASION, THEY ARE. SO WE WILL WORK WITH OUR PARTNERS TO GET THOSE FILLED WHEN THEY DO COME ALONG. THANKS FOR, UM, SHARING THE WAIT LIST TOO. THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR. UM, WHEN I SAT IN ON THE HOMELESS COALITION, UM, ZOOM MEETING THE COUNTY ONE FOR THE MAYOR, UM, THE OTHER CITIES WERE EXPRESSING THE, UM, HARDSHIP SET WHEN THE PATIENT IS HOMELESS AND THEY'RE RELEASED FROM THE HOSPITAL, THEY'RE PUT IN LIKE AN UBER OR LYFT VEHICLE AND DROPPED OFF AT THE SHELTER WITH NO WALKERS, NO WHEELCHAIRS, NO ANYTHING, AND THE COTS OR WHATEVER, UM, CITY, UM, SHELTER IS HAVING TO DEAL WITH THIS. AND IT'S ONGOING THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. AND IT JUST BROKE MY HEART THINKING ABOUT THESE, UM, BECAUSE THERE IS THIS TWO TO THREE MONTH WAIT LIST AND THESE HOSPITALS ARE, SO WE NEED TO COME UP WITH A, A SYSTEM. SO WHEN THESE HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS ARE RELEASED AS PATIENTS FROM A HOSPITAL WHERE THEY'RE GONNA GO, WE HAVEN'T EVEN TALKED ABOUT THAT YET. UH, I COULD QUICKLY COMMENT ON THAT. UM, ACTUALLY, COTS WAS WORKING, I BELIEVE WITH ST. JOSEPH'S THIS YEAR. THEY CALL IT A RECUPERATIVE CARE PROGRAM WHERE THEY WORK DIRECTLY WITH THE HOSPITALS. I THINK CATHOLIC CHARITIES HAS A PROGRAM IN SANTA ROSA AS WELL, WHERE FOLKS THAT ARE DISCHARGED FROM THE HOSPITAL ACTUALLY HAVE A PLACE TO STAY, UM, TO RECOVER FROM, FROM CARE IN THE HOSPITAL, FROM ANY PROCEDURES. SO THERE ARE SOME PROGRAMS, I'M SURE WE COULD ALWAYS USE MORE BEDS, BUT THERE ARE ASPECTS OF THAT PROGRAM THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR BECAUSE I DON'T THINK ALL THE, UM, THE CITIES HAVE THAT. AND SO PETALUMA IS PRETTY FORTUNATE. INDEED. UM, OKAY. UM, PUBLIC COMMENT, WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT I SEE SOME CARDS COMING IN. OUR FIRST SPEAKER TONIGHT WILL BE JOHN HANIA. HOW YOU DOING? ONE OF THE THINGS THAT GOD GAVE ME, WHICH IS, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A GOOD THING OR A BAD THING, IS MY MEMORY. I HAVE A BIGGER MEMORY CAPACITY THAN WHAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR COMPUTER. I'M GONNA REMIND YOU OF SOMETHING, BUT BEFORE I GO THERE, I WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO EVERYTHING THAT THE STAFF IS DOING FOR HOMELESS. AND I FEEL FOR THE HOMELESS TREMENDOUSLY. AND I DON'T TALK ABOUT THE STUFF THAT I DO FOR THE HOMELESS, OKAY? BUT WHEN YOU ARE SITTING UP THERE, YOU SHOULDN'T MAKE ANY PROMISES THAT YOU CAN DELIVER. I STILL RECALL IN MY CHILDHOOD, WHEN I WAS GOING TO HIGH, WHEN I WAS GOING TO SCHOOL, CATHOLIC SCHOOL, SISTER MARY, WHICH IS, SHE WAS VERY HARD ON ME. AND GOD KNOWS HOW MANY TIMES SHE SMACKED ME WITH THE RULER. SHE ALWAYS SAID, SAY WHAT YOU MEAN, MEAN WHAT YOU SAY, AND DON'T MAKE PROMISES THAT YOU CAN KEEP IN 20, LATE 21, 20 21, EARLY 2022, YOU GUYS SAT UP THERE. NOT ALL OF YOU. THERE'S ONLY TWO OF YOU LEFT NOW. OKAY? WHAT HAPPENED TO THE RESOLUTION THAT YOU MADE END OF HOMELESSNESS IN 2024? WHAT HAPPENED TO 2024 IS, IS IT, ARE WE IN 2024, OR THAT'S MAYBE IN A DIFFERENT ERA? YOU GUYS GOT TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY FROM GRANT TO HELP THE HOMELESS. IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. OKAY? AND HERE WE ARE DANGLING THE CARROT AGAIN. AND SOME OF YOU SIT UP THERE AND YOU PORTRAY YOURSELF, ARE YOU DO, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE NEGATIVE, I'M JUST STATING THE FACT, OKAY, THESE ARE PROMISES YOU MADE AND YOU DIDN'T DELIVER. THERE'S A LOT COULD BE DONE FOR THE HOMELESS PEOPLE, THE MARY ISAAC SHELTER. I SEE IT AS A GREAT DEAL, BUT ALSO THERE'S A LOT OF PROBLEMS COMES WITH [04:55:01] THAT. HOW MANY OF YOU REALLY WILL WANNA LIVE IN THOSE HOUSES OVER THERE WITH ALL THE ACTIVITIES? I, I GO THERE A LOT AND I SEE THE POLICE DOING A GREAT JOB, BUT IT'S NOT ENOUGH. WOULD ONE OF YOU WANNA TAKE THEIR KIDS WALK THROUGH THERE WHEN SOMEBODY'S URINATING OR TAKING A NUMBER TWO RIGHT THERE? WHAT'S BEING DONE ABOUT THAT? SO THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HAND DOWN OR HANDS UP. GOD KNOWS I MIGHT BE HOMELESS SOON. SO YOU GUYS NEED TO COME WITH SOME KIND OF PROGRAM THAT'S GONNA HELP EVERYBODY, BUT DON'T MAKE PROMISES THAT YOU CAN'T KEEP. AND I GREATLY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT THE STAFF IS DOING, BUT I'M SORRY IT'S NOT ENOUGH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ANGIE CRUZ TO BE FOLLOWED BY ANNIE NICKEL. HI EVERYONE. I HAVE ALLERGIES. SO I HAVEN'T SPOKEN TODAY YET, BUT, UM, I'M ANES AND SOME OF YOU ALL HAVE SEEN ME IN A LOT OF THESE MEETINGS FOR OTHER CAUSES. UM, BUT FOR TODAY I WANTED TO SHARE THAT. UM, I ACTUALLY WORKED AT COTS FROM, I BELIEVE AUGUST, 2020 TO APRIL, 2023. SO I KIND OF SAW THE IMPLEMENTATION OR THE START OF IT. AND I'M DEFINITELY GONNA LET ANNIE LIKE GO INTO THE DETAILS AND THE AMAZING COTS TEAM THAT'S HERE TODAY. UM, BUT I REALLY JUST WANNA SPEAK ON THE FACT OF A COUPLE MEETINGS AGO, RIGHT? WE WERE TALKING ABOUT FUNDING FOR PPSC AND FOR REBUILDING BOTH AMAZING ORGANIZATIONS. UM, AND AS WE SAW IN THAT DIAGRAM, UM, SO IS ACOT IS A HUGE PART OF IT. SO EVERYTHING IS INTERLINKED. UM, AND THEN JUST AS SOMEONE WHO HAD A DABBLE IN A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, I WORKED BOTH AT MIC, UM, THE FAMILY SHELTER AND IN THE RECUPERATIVE CARE BEDS, I'M SURE SYSTEMS ARE, ARE BROKEN, RIGHT? THAT'S EVERYWHERE IN THE UNITED STATES. BUT, UM, AS SOMEONE THAT TOOK IN REFERRALS, ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT WE DID WAS ADVOCATE FOR PATIENTS. SO IF SOMEONE'S COMING TO OUR SHELTER, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE SAFE, UM, AND THAT THEY HAVE THE NECESSARY MEDICAL EQUIPMENT THAT THEY NEED BEFORE THEY COME. UM, AND WE JUST DO OUR BEST TO MITIGATE THE BARRIERS THAT EXIST. AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA GO AWAY BY MAGIC OR BY A CERTAIN DATE, MAYBE, POTENTIALLY. BUT, UM, I THINK COTS IS A REALLY GREAT ORGANIZATION. I REALLY VALUE THE SUPPORT THAT THEY DO TO OUR COMMUNITY. UM, SO I KNOW THAT MONEY IS TIGHT AND, AND THINGS ARE HARD, UH, EVERYWHERE RIGHT NOW. UM, BUT REALLY PRIORITIZING THIS, UM, FOR OUR PEOPLE AND, AND IN THE SAME TIME, RIGHT? THINGS ARE HARD. AND A LOT OF THE CASES THAT I DID SEE WAS PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY THEY'RE ALONE AND ONE SITUATION HAPPENED AND THEY ENDED UP HOMELESS. UM, AND I SAW THAT A LOT. SO I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO, UM, WALK HUMBLY, ESPECIALLY IN THESE TIMES, AND TO APPRECIATE THE OTHER RESOURCES AND ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE REALLY, REALLY DOING ALL THE HARD, HARD WORK IN OUR COMMUNITY. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU ANNIE NICHOL TO BE FOLLOWED BY LAUREN FURY. WELL, SHE SAID SHE, SHE SAID MOST OF IT HERE, BUT , I JUST WANTED TO SAY, UM, I APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERN OVER HOSPITALIZED PATIENTS. AND WE HAVE BEEN OFFERING MEDICAL CARE, UM, THROUGH EITHER ST. JOSEPH'S OR THE PETALUMA HEALTH CENTER FOR THE LAST 21 YEARS. WE HAVE A CLINIC THAT'S ESTABLISHED WITHIN THE SHELTER, AND WITH THAT, WE REALLY BUILT THIS RECUPERATIVE RESPITE CARE PROGRAM. SO IT ALLOWS HOSPITALS TO DIRECTLY, UM, CONFER WITH US AT THE, AT AT COTS. THEY SEND A REQUEST TO HAVE A PERSON COME POST FOR POST HOSPITAL INTO OUR SHELTER. BUT IT IS A SPECIFIC AREA. WE ARE, WE NOW HAVE 20 BEDS, 18, 18, 18, SOON TO BE 20. UM, THIS HAS JUST DEVELOPED OVER THE PAST 20 YEARS, AS I SAID. UM, WE DO ALL THE ARRANGING OF HOME HEALTH FOR THEM AS WELL. THEY CAN BE SEEN IN THE CLINIC THAT'S AT, AT THE SHELTER RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE RECUPERATIVE BEDS. UM, WE ROUND ON THEM SEVERAL TIMES A WEEK. THEY, WE CONNECT THEM TO, IF THEY BELONG TO A SANTA ROSA CLINIC, WE CAN CALL UP THE SANTA ROSA CLINIC AND SAY, HEY, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, JOE HERE AND HE NEEDS A REFERRAL TO A SPECIALIST, OR HE NEEDS AN APPOINTMENT WITH IT FOR FOLLOW UP. SO WE DO SOME CASE MANAGEMENT. WE WERE A LITTLE BUBBLE. THE PETAL HEALTH CENTER WAS A LITTLE BUBBLE IN THOSE BUBBLES YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT. [05:00:01] UM, ANYWAY, THIS, THIS IS A TREND THAT IS GOING ACROSS THE UNITED STATES. CALIFORNIA HAS MORE RESPITE BEDS THAN ANYWHERE, AND COTS IN OUR CLINIC HAVE REALLY CONTRIBUTED TO THE GROWTH OF THIS SO THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT DUMPED ON THE STREET IN THEIR, IN THEIR GOWN WITH AN IV HANGING OUT OF THEIR, THEIR ARM. AND I GOTTA TELL YOU, EARLY DAYS WE HAD THAT HAPPEN, AND I JUST SAID, WE HAVE TO SEND YOU RIGHT BACK. AND WE WOULD CALL THE HOSPITAL OR THE ER AND TELL THEM WHAT THE DEAL WAS, AND THEY DIDN'T DO IT AGAIN. THEY TOOK THE PATIENTS BACK, THANK GOODNESS. AND SO WE WANTED THAT PERSON TO BE SAFE IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND WE WANT TO GIVE THEM THE BOTH THE HELP AND THE SKILLS WHICH CUTS AND OUR OTHER PLAYERS HERE AND CONTRIBUTE TO HAVING A SUCCESSFUL LIFE. IT, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE A SUCCESS POOL. IT CAN BE A BEAUTIFUL POND OUT THERE. AND, BUT IF PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THOSE TOOLS AND WE DON'T GIVE THEM THOSE TOOLS, UM, WE'RE NOT GONNA GET THERE. SO WE LOVE YOUR SUPPORT. WE WANT MORE OF THIS IN OUR COMMUNITY. WE WANNA MAKE SOMETHING REALLY BEAUTIFUL HAPPEN HERE. I'VE LIVED HERE A VERY, VERY LONG TIME, AND I WOULDN'T, I DON'T WANNA BE ANYWHERE ELSE. THANKS. UH, YOU KNOW, BEFORE MOVING TO, UH, LAUREN FURY, ANNIE, YOUR WORK HERE IS RENOWNED AND RESPECTED FOR THAT, THE VERY LONG TIME YOU'VE BEEN INVOLVED. I THINK WE ALL THANK YOU. LAUREN FURY. HI THERE. I'LL KEEP THIS BRIEF. UH, MY NAME'S LAUREN FURY. I'M A SENIOR PROJECT MANAGER WITH MID PENN HOUSING, AND I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE WASHINGTON COMMONS DEVELOPMENT, UH, SINCE 2022. SO I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT AND SAY THANK YOU TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR YOUR INVESTMENT AND PARTNERSHIP IN THIS, UH, NEW COMMUNITY THAT WILL BE, UH, RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE PETALUMA REGIONAL LIBRARY. UM, AND A BIG THANK YOU TO CITY STAFF FOR YOUR PARTNERSHIP AND YOUR INVESTMENT IN THIS PROJECT. SO, UM, AND FOR INVESTING IN THE WONDERFUL, UH, PEOPLE AT COTS AND PETALUMA PEOPLE SERVICES WHO ARE DOING SUCH GREAT WORK IN YOUR CITY. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT WAS OUR LAST SPEAKER. PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED AND BACK TO COUNCIL. AND, UM, WE HAVE A, A, UH, WE HAVE A RESOLUTION BEFORE US COUNCILOR BARNACLE. YEP. UH, SO, UM, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY WHO DOES THIS WORK. IT'S INCREDIBLY EMOTIONAL AND CHALLENGING, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. UM, I'LL SAY IN 2020 WHEN I CAME ON THE COUNCIL AND I RAN FOR OFFICE HOMELESSNESS WAS THE BIGGEST ISSUE AND EVERYBODY ASKED ME ABOUT IT. UM, IT IS NOT THE BIGGEST ISSUE ANYMORE IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND IT'S STILL A HUGE ISSUE. UM, THE, UH, AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE WORK AND THE INVESTMENT WE'VE MADE. UM, I DON'T THINK WE MADE A PROMISE. I THINK WE SET A BIG, BOLD GOAL, AND WE HAVEN'T ACHIEVED IT, BUT I THINK WE'VE MADE, UM, MEASURABLE STRIDES TOWARD IT. UM, JUST A COUPLE OF STORIES. I HAD A, A COMMUNITY MEETING WITH SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS AT RIVERFRONT, AND WHILE THEY'RE FRUSTRATED WITH THE MEAL PROGRAM AND FRUSTRATED WITH THINGS, UM, WHAT THEY DID REITERATE OVER AND OVER AGAIN IS WE'RE INCREDIBLY GRATEFUL FOR ALL THE PEOPLE AT COTS WE'RE INCREDIBLY GRATEFUL FOR, FOR THE RESPONSIVENESS AND SUPPORT FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, FOR THE SAFE TEAM FOR HOME FIRST, UM, YOU NAME IT. AND THEY WERE JUST INCREDIBLY COMPLIMENTARY AND, UM, UNDERSTANDING OF THE TOUGH SITUATION. OBVIOUSLY, THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE THAT, UM, EXPERIENCE WHEN THEY'RE COMING INTO THEIR COMMUNITY. THEY DON'T FEEL SAFE WALKING OUT OF THEIR COMMUNITY, WHICH IS UNFORTUNATE. UM, BUT, UH, I THINK IT'LL IMPROVE OVER TIME AS WE BUILD THE BRIDGE, AS WE CREATE MORE, UM, MORE ACTIVITY IN THAT AREA WITH THE, THE NEW PARK AND WHATNOT. UM, ANOTHER STORY, I HAD A BUSINESS OWNER ON LAKEVILLE REACH OUT. HE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE RVS THAT ARE COMING. AND IMMEDIATELY I REACHED OUT TO KAREN AND SHE'S LIKE, OH, I'M GONNA PUT THIS PERSON IN TOUCH WITH HOME FIRST. HE WAS REALLY, REALLY HAPPY WITH THE SERVICE HE GOT AND THE RESPONSIVENESS, AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE, ALL OF THE SERVICE PROVIDERS AND THE INTERLOCKING WORK THAT YOU ALL ARE DOING. AND SO I JUST REALLY APPRECIATE ALL OF IT. UM, ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE, UM, OF COURSE I'M GONNA SUPPORT THIS AND EMPHATICALLY, UM, IS WE'RE GONNA NEED SOME SUSTAINABLE REVENUE STREAMS. A LOT OF THIS STUFF IS GRANT FUNDED. AND, UM, AS SOMEONE WHO WORKS IN THE NONPROFIT SPACE, WHEN THOSE GRANTS DRY UP , IT GETS TOUGHER AND TOUGHER. SO, UH, I REALLY THINK WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT SOME CREATIVE BUSINESS MODELS TO HELP OUR NONPROFITS MOVE FORWARD. UM, I KNOW THERE'S SOME THAT ARE OUT THERE DOING THAT, AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO CONTINUE WORKING WITH OUR NONPROFITS TO HELP THEM FIND CREATIVE REVENUE STREAMS. UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SEEING DEB HERE, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE US START TO LOOK AT LIQUIDATING SURPLUS LANDS AND NOT SIT ON [05:05:01] THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, BECAUSE THAT'S CERTAINLY A, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, UH, DO TO HELP THE SITUATION. SO, UM, WITH THAT, I'LL MOVE THE ITEM. AND AGAIN, THANK YOU, UH, OVER AND OVER AGAIN. THANK YOU. OKAY, VICE MAYOR. UM, I'LL SECOND THE MOTION, BUT, UH, I'LL ALSO SAY THAT THE STREETS TEAM, THOSE, UM, INDIVIDUALS ARE SO PROUD OF CLEANING UP THEIR LITTLE AREA OR WHATEVER, A PETALUMA. AND WE AS A COMMUNITY ARE SO FORTUNATE TO HAVE COTS. I REMEMBER WHEN THE MARY ISAAC BUILDING GOT BUILT, AND WE WEREN'T EVEN USING THE THIRD FLOOR YET. AND, UM, THE HAND UP IS REALLY SHOWING WITH THE, UM, STREETS TEAM. AND I HAVE TO APPLAUD THE CITY FOR THAT, UM, GROUP OF PEOPLE AND INDIVIDUALS AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN OUR COMMUNITY. SO I SECOND THIS MOTION AND THANK SUPPORT IT. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT. SECOND, AND, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT THE VOLUNTEER COMMUNITY HAS DONE, UH, TO, TO BUILD PETALUMA STRONG IN THIS, UH, ARENA. THE, THE ORIGINS OF COTS, THE FUNDRAISER, UM, LAST WEEK WAS JUST SO WELL SUPPORTED. AND, UM, AND THEN WHAT OUR STAFF HAS DONE TO, TO BOLSTER THIS AND TO BRING IN GRANTS, AND NOW EVEN I DO WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO OUR COUNTY SUPERVISOR FOR FIGHTING FOR US TO BACK FUND SOME OF THE AREAS THAT WE'RE LOSING FROM OTHER SOURCES. UM, THE CITY MANAGERS GROUP, UH, COLLECTIVELY AND THE COUNTY SUPERVISORS COLLECTIVELY TRYING TO BRING THAT FUNDING IN. AND I'VE LEARNED NOT TO SAY THE WORD SOLVE ANYMORE. WHAT WE DO IS ADDRESS THINGS. YOU KNOW, WHAT WE DO IS OUR BEST. WE DON'T NECESSARILY SOLVE, WE HELP. UM, AND WITH THAT, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COUNCIL MEMBER DE CARLY? UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK EVERYONE DOES A GREAT JOB WITH, WITH TAKING CARE OF HOMELESSNESS AND PETALUMA AND PEOPLE WITH PROBLEMS. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE ARE EXEMPLARY THE WHOLE COUNTY AND THE STATE. UM, THE ONLY AREA WHERE, AND I'VE KIND OF MENTIONED THIS BEFORE, I WOULD, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY WE PUT MORE EMPHASIS IS ADDRESSING THE ROOT CAUSES. UM, AND NOT, NOT SO MUCH THE SYMPTOMS. I MEAN, I KNOW HOUSING'S VERY IMPORTANT, UM, AND IT IS, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE, I MEAN, THERE'S A WHOLE HOST OF, OF, YOU KNOW, MENTAL PROBLEMS PEOPLE CAN HAVE, OR BAD LUCK OR SUBSTANCE ABUSE OR, YOU KNOW, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT'S A VERY WIDE ARRAY, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE NEED TO FEEL A REASON TO, TO GET OUT OF BED IN THE MORNING. AND I THINK IF WE OFFERED SERVICES OR LOOKED AT DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR FOUND PARTNERS WHO COULD, UM, YOU KNOW, HELP, HELP FIGURE OUT WHAT, HOW TO ACTUALLY CURE THESE THINGS, IF IT'S POSSIBLE WITH EVERYONE. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S A DIRECTION I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THINGS GO IN MORE AND, AND REALLY GET TO THE ROOT OF THINGS. AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE GONNA LEAN ON PVH TO PUT THEIR $10 MILLION A YEAR PHILANTHROPY INTO, UH, INTO ADVERSE CHILDHOOD EXPERIENCE. AND, UH, PERHAPS EVEN CONTINUE WHAT WE, THE COUNCIL VOTED MONEY IN FOR GUARANTEED BASIC INCOME FOR YOUNG FAMILIES TO GET TO ROOT CAUSES. 'CAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THE REAL ACTION IS. THANK YOU. AND, UH, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. BARNACLE. AYE. TO CARLY? YES. NOW, YES. SHRIMPS YES. QUINT, YES. MCDONALD? YES. MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU SO, SO MUCH. THANK YOU STAFF FOR THAT PRESENTATION. AND THANK YOU, OUR PROVIDERS FOR STAYING WITH US AND ALL THE WORK YOU DO. UH, OUR NEXT [15. Resolution Accepting the Annual Housing Element Progress Report for the 2024 Calendar Year and Authorizing Staff to Submit the Report to the California Department of Housing and Community Development (HCD) and the Governor’s Office of Planning and Research (OPR) and Finding that this item is Not a Project Pursuant to CEQA guidelines Section 15378(b)(5)] ITEM IS, UH, A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE ANNUAL HOUSING ELEMENT PROGRESS REPORT FOR 2024 AUTHORIZING STAFF TO SUBMIT THE REPORT TO H-C-D-H-C-D IN THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE OF, UH, RESEARCH AND PLANNING, FINDING THAT THE ITEM IS NOT A CA PURSUANT TO CA GUIDELINES. YEAH, YOU GO TOO. OH, YOU WANT ME TO? [05:10:03] ARE WE GOOD TO GO? LET'S DO IT. AND BEFORE WE START, I JUST WANNA THANK STAFF. I MEAN, THE ROOM'S EMPTY EXCEPT FOR JOHN AND STAFF. SO HE, HE ONLY GAVE ME A WARNING NOT TO SPEAK, BECAUSE HE WANTS TO GO HOME. DECORUM. JACK, ACTUALLY. ALL SET, MAYOR, YOU GO. THANK YOU. WELL, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. UH, THE LAST ITEM FOR THIS EVENING IS THE, UM, STATE OF HOUSING IN PETALUMA. THIS IS THE 2024 HOUSING ELEMENT ANNUAL PROGRESS REPORT, AND THIS EVENING WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, PRESENTATION OF THE ANNUAL HOUSING REPORT, UH, WHICH IS REQUIRED BY, UH, STATE HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. WE'LL EXPLORE SOME OF THE DATA THAT WILL BE SUBMITTED AND DISCUSS IT. WE'LL ALSO LOOK AT SOME, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS FOR SPECIFIC ACTIONS IN 2025 AND BEYOND TO HELP THE CITY ACHIEVE ITS, UH, REQUIRED HOUSING PRODUCTION, UM, NUMBERS, UH, THAT ARE, ARE, UH, STIPULATED BY THE STATE. AND THEN, UH, YOU'LL BE ASKED TO CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPROVING SUBMITTAL OF THE ANNUAL PROGRESS REPORT TO HCD. SO, PRESENTATION THIS EVENING WILL CONSIST OF THE, UM, PETALUMA HOUSING GOALS, AND, UH, WE'LL REVIEW THE ANNUAL PROGRESS REPORT REQUIREMENTS, UM, PRODUCTION ACTIVITY. WE'LL LOOK AT 2025 AND BEYOND, UH, DISCUSS. AND THEN, UM, ASK FOR THE RECOMMENDATION. SO, PETALUMA'S HOUSING GOALS ARE STATED, UH, THROUGH ITS HOUSING ACTION PLAN. THAT'S PART OF THE HOUSING ELEMENT THAT WAS ADOPTED IN 2023. AND, UH, THE, UH, FIRST IS, UH, HOUSING AVAILABILITY AND CHOICES. THAT'S TO PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES, UH, FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT TO ACCOMMODATE PROJECTED GROWTH AND PROVIDE FOR THE DIVERSE HOUSING NEEDS OF ALL PETALUMA. SO IT'S NOT JUST, UH, HOUSING THOSE WHO ARE MOST IN NEED OF HOUSING, BUT IT'S ALSO ENSURING THAT, UM, PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN MOVING TO PETALUMA CAN DO. SO. PEOPLE WHO WISH TO MOVE, UH, WITHIN THE COMMUNITY AS THEIR HOUSING NEEDS CHANGE ARE ABLE TO DO SO. THEN IT ALSO SEEKS TO, UH, TO REDUCE DEVELOPMENT CONSTRAINTS THAT, UM, MAY RESULT IN, UH, IN CHALLENGES TO HOUSING PRODUCTION TO BE ABLE TO FACILITATE EXPEDITE CONSTRUCTION AND LOWER DEVELOPMENT COSTS WHILE AVOIDING IMPACTS ON ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS. THE NEXT IS, UM, TO PROMOTE THE DEVELOPMENT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND IMPROVE HOUSING AVAILABILITY TO LOWER MODERATELY INCOME HOUSEHOLDS. AND AS WE'LL SEE, UH, THAT DOES INCLUDE EXTREMELY LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLDS. THE FOURTH IS HOUSING PRESERVATION. THAT WAS REFERRED TO AS, AS, UM, HISTORIC PRESERVATION IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. BUT IN THE ERA MEMO TODAY, UH, WE CORRECT THAT TO HOUSING PRESERVATION, AND THIS IS TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY AND DIVERSITY OF RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. INCLU, INCLUDING OUR HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, TO PRESERVE THE CITY'S EXISTING AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND ENSURE LONG-TERM AFFORDABILITY OF NEW BELOW MARKET RATE, UH, UNITS, THEN SPECIAL NEEDS HOUSING TO PROMOTE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PERSONS IN HOUSEHOLDS WITH SPECIAL NEEDS, INCLUDING THE ELDERLY, DISABLED, LARGE HOUSEHOLDS, FEMALE HEADED HOUSEHOLDS, FARM WORKERS, AND PERSONS EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS. [05:15:01] SO A DIRECT TIE TO OUR, UH, PREVIOUS PRESENTATION ABOUT, UM, THE PROGRESS ON HOMELESSNESS IN THE COMMUNITY. AND THEN FINALLY TO AFFIRMATIVELY FURTHER FAIR HOUSING TO PROMOTE EQUAL ACCESS, UM, TO ALL. SO THE LOCAL, UH, HOUSING POLICY DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, UH, INCLUDES THE, UH, DELIVERY OF THE ARENA ALLOCATION. WE'LL LOOK AT THAT IN JUST A MOMENT. THEN THE HOUSING ELEMENT IS PREPARED AND CERTIFIED. THE HOUSING ELEMENT IS PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE THIS ROUND. UM, HOUSING ELEMENTS ARE PREPARED EVERY YEAR, EVERY EIGHT YEARS, WHILE A GENERAL PLAN UPDATE, UH, TYPICALLY WILL HAPPEN EVERY 15 YEARS. THEN, UM, ONCE THE HOUSING ELEMENT IS CERTIFIED, UH, LOCAL JURISDICTIONS ARE REQUIRED TO PREPARE AND SUBMIT ANNUAL PROGRESS REPORTS. THESE ANNUAL PROGRESS REPORTS, UH, WILL PRESENT LOCAL ENTITLEMENT AND APPROVAL ACTIVITY. THAT'S OUR PLANNING ACTIVITY, UH, WHERE PROJECTS ARE APPROVED FOR DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN OUR DEVELOPMENT AND OCCUPANCY ACTIVITY, WHICH INCLUDES, UM, THE ISSUANCE OF BUILDING PERMITS AND CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY. SO THE REGIONAL HOUSING NEEDS ALLOCATION. THE GOALS, UH, SEEK TO ENSURE THAT CALIFORNIA'S COMMUNITIES OFFER ECONOMICALLY AND RACIALLY INTEGRATED ENVIRONMENTS. UH, THEY SEEK TO ALLOCATE HOUSING NEED TO HIGH RESOURCE JOB RICH AREAS. UM, THEY STRIVE TO ACHIEVE THE GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTION GOALS THAT ARE, ARE ESTABLISHED BY THE STATE TO PROMOTE AND FILL DEVELOPMENT AND TO PROTECT ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCES. SO AS WE CAN SEE THROUGH THE ARENA PROCESS, IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT, UM, HOUSING PRODUCTION, IT'S ALSO ABOUT ACHIEVING OTHER GOALS THAT, UH, BOTH THE STATE AND COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT THE STATE ARE STRIVING TO ACHIEVE, INCLUDING PETALUMA. THIS IS A, A, UH, DIAGRAM OF HOW THE REGIONAL HOUSING NEED IS DETERMINED AND THEN ALLOCATED. SO HCD WORKS WITH, UH, THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS, UM, TO ESTABLISH THE NEED. THEY MAKE THAT DETERMINATION, AND THEN THEY ALLOCATE IT THROUGHOUT THE STATE USING VARIOUS REGIONAL COUNCILS OF GOVERNMENT, UM, BOTH WITHIN JURISDICTIONS AS WELL AS, UH, WITHIN PREDOMINANTLY RURAL COUNTIES. THAT'S ABOUT A ONE TO TWO YEAR PROCESS. THEN THE, UH, LOCAL JURISDICTIONS WILL UPDATE THEIR HOUSING ELEMENTS. UH, THE, THE UPDATED HOUSING ELEMENT IS ADOPTED BY THE LOCAL JURISDICTION, THEN SUBMITTED TO HCD FOR REVIEW AND CERTIFICATION. ONCE THAT HAPPENS, THEN, UH, THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT IS REQUIRED TO UPDATE IT, UPDATE HCD AND UM, OPR ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. SO IT'S HELPFUL TO THINK ABOUT THE AVERAGE MEDIAN INCOME FOR A FAMILY OF FOUR IN CALIFORNIA STATE AND LOCAL PROGRAMS, UM, LOOK TOWARDS AN AVERAGE MEDIUM INCOME OF 128,400. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, UH, THROUGH THE COURSE OF THE PRESENTATION THIS EVENING, EXTREMELY LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLDS, THAT'S A HOUSEHOLD OF A FAMILY OF FOUR, MAKING $38,520 A YEAR, UH, DONE VERY LOW AT 64,200 ON THREE TO TWO LOW INCOME, WHICH IS 50 TO 80% OF A MI AT 102,720. THEN WE GET UP INTO A MODERATE INCOME HOUSEHOLDS, WHICH ARE 80 TO 120% OF A MI TOPPING OUT AT 154,080. AND THEN ON UP ABOVE MODERATE INCOME OR WHAT WE REFER TO AS MARKET RATE, WHICH WOULD BE, UM, MORE THAN 120% OF THE AVERAGE MEDIAN INCOME. WHAT'S, UH, WHAT WHAT MAY BE INTERESTING TO KEEP IN MIND IS OUR MODERATE INCOME HOUSEHOLDS CAN ACTUALLY BE, UM, OUR, OUR DEGREED PROFESSIONALS, OUR TEACHERS, OUR NURSES, UM, OTHER, OTHER HEALTHCARE WORKERS AND SUCH. SO WE FIND THAT, UM, WE ARE TRYING TO HOUSE A BROAD SPECTRUM OF PERSONS IN THE COMMUNITY THROUGH, UM, THESE VARIOUS, UM, INCOME LEVELS. SO, PETALUMA'S REGIONAL ALLOCATION THEN FOR THE 20 23, 20 31, UM, HOUSING CYCLE, WHICH IS REFERRED TO AS THE CURRENT HOUSING CYCLE OR THE SIXTH HOUSING CYCLE, IS PRESENTED HERE. UM, THE, UH, ALLOCATION OR REQUIREMENT FOR PETALUMA TO DEVELOP HOUSING FOR EXTREMELY LOW AND VERY LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLDS IS ABOUT 25% OF THE TOTAL, UH, 1,910 HOUSEHOLDS WERE REQUIRED TO, TO, UH, PRODUCE. AND THEN IT'S ALSO, UM, FURTHER ALLOCATED OUT ACROSS LOW, MODERATE, AND ABOVE, UM, MODERATE INCOME HOUSEHOLDS. THE, UH, THE STATE HAS TAKEN THE ADDITIONAL STEP IN 2024 TO [05:20:01] FURTHER DIVIDE, UH, THE REQUIREMENT BETWEEN EXTREMELY LOW AND VERY LOW. AND SO THAT'S ABOUT, UH, A MEDIAN POINT OF 50%. UM, IN 2024, OUR EXTREMELY LOW REQUIREMENT IS 250 UNITS. SO THEN SOME HOUSING, UM, ELEMENT ESSENTIALS. AND, UH, IF, UH, IF YOU WERE PART OF A REVIEW AUTHORITY OR COUNCIL IN 2023, UH, THIS WOULD'VE BEEN, UH, YOU WOULD'VE PARTICIPATED IN THIS PROCESS. SO IT IS MANDATED BY STATE LAW UPDATED EVERY EIGHT YEARS, BUT WE ARE IN OUR SIXTH CYCLE, WHICH WAS ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL ON MARCH 20TH, 2023, AND THEN CERTIFIED BY HCDA COUPLE OF MONTHS LATER IN MAY OF 2023. SO WE'RE REALLY ALMOST EXACTLY TWO YEARS, UH, INTO, UM, PROGRESS ON, UH, THIS PARTICULAR HOUSING ELEMENT. THE HOUSING ELEMENT COMPONENTS CONSIST OF COMMUNITY AND POLICY CONTEXT. THERE'S A, UH, HIGHLY DETAILED COMMUNITY PORTRAIT THAT'S DEVELOPED. AND THEN IT ALSO LINKS IN RELATIONSHIP TO GENERAL PLAN POLICIES AND GOALS, AS WELL AS CLIMATE GOALS. AND OF COURSE, OVER THE PAST YEAR, UH, THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE HAS BEEN VERY ACTIVE. AND SO WE SEE, UM, ITS RELATIONSHIP THERE TO SOME OF OUR LAND USE GOALS, BUT THEN ALSO THE BLUEPRINT FOR CLIMATE ACTION, UH, ITS ADOPTION, UM, LAST YEAR AND, AND HOW IT SEEKS TO SUPPORT THE, UH, GOALS AND POLICIES OF THE, UH, CLIMATE ACTION BLUEPRINT. AND THEN IT ALSO, UH, PRESENTS THE RESOURCES TO, TO ACCOMPLISH THOSE GOALS RANGING FROM FISCAL RESOURCES TO PARTNERSHIPS WITH, UH, WITH LOCAL COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND, AND, UH, NONPROFIT DEVELOPERS. AND THEN ALSO, UM, THROUGH THE REGIONAL HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT PROCESS ESTABLISHED BY THE STATE. AND THEN FINALLY, WHAT REALLY DRIVES THE ENTIRE HOUSING ELEMENT ARE, IS THE HOUSING ACTION PLAN, WHICH CONSISTS OF GOALS AND POLICIES, AS WELL AS PROGRAMS AND SPECIFIC ACTIONS. SO THIS IS THE ARENA STRATEGY. WHEN THE HOUSING ELEMENT WAS PREPARED, UH, THE STRATEGY WAS DEVELOPED TO RESPOND TO RE, WHICH IS IN THE TOP LINE. SO THE STATE, UH, THROUGH, UM, AAG MTC ASSIGNED, UH, A TOTAL AMOUNT OF HOUSING PRODUCTION 1,910 UNITS TO PETALUMA IN RESPONSE THEN, UH, THE PETALUMA TEAM, UH, WORKING WITH HOUSING CONSULTANTS IDENTIFIED LIKELY SITES INCLUDING POTENTIAL ADUS AND PIPELINE PROJECTS THAT WOULD GENERATE, UH, 1,888 UNITS. THEN IT ALSO IDENTIFIED OPPORTUNITY SITES CONSISTING OF VACANT SITES, PARKING LOTS, AND SHOPPING CENTERS, AND UNDERUTILIZED SITES THAT WOULD CONTRIBUTE ANOTHER 1,353 UNITS FOR A TOTAL CAPACITY OF 3,241 UNITS. IT IS A REQUIREMENT OF ARENA THAT YOU DEMONSTRATE THAT YOU HAVE EXCESS CAPACITY TO MEET YOUR ARENA, UH, REQUIREMENT. UM, WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO THINK ABOUT TWO IN THIS SLIDE IS THAT THE, UH, CITY OF PETALUMA WAS ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THIS WITHOUT REZONING ANY PROPERTIES. AND, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, I THINK QUITE UNUSUAL. TYPICALLY, JURISDICTIONS WILL FIND THAT THEY DO NEED TO REZONE TO INCREASE DENSITIES, BUT, UH, PETALUMA DID NOT HAVE TO DO THAT. SO, UH, IF YOU, IF YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE, UH, ANNUAL PROGRESS REPORT ATTACHMENT, THEN WE DID NOT IN INDICATE ANY REZONINGS, UM, FOR THIS, UH, THIS REPORTING PERIOD. SO THEN THE 2024 ANNUAL REPORT LOOKS AT 2024 DATA ONLY FROM JANUARY ONE THROUGH JANUARY 31ST, 2024. THIS IS A BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE 2023 REPORT, UH, WHICH WOULD'VE LOOKED AT DATA FROM JANUARY 31 THROUGH DECEMBER 31. SO, UM, AFTER THE FIRST YEAR OF, OF THE REPORTING CYCLE, UH, THAT PERIOD DOES CHANGE TO BECOME THE FULL CALENDAR YEAR, WE ARE REQUIRED TO USE THE HCD FORMAT. SO, UH, THE NUMBERS THAT, THAT WE PLUG IN ARE THEN, UM, PUT INTO THE STATE'S DATABASE AND USED FOR VARIOUS PURPOSES. UM, SOMETIMES YOU, YOU, YOU MIGHT SCRATCH YOUR HEAD WHEN YOU'RE USING THE FORMAT, BUT, UH, IT'S PRETTY CLEAR ON, ON WHAT DATA ARE BEING ASKED FOR AND THEN HOW THOSE DATA ARE USED TO CALCULATE OTHER, OTHER SUMMARY STATISTICS. AND THEN FINALLY, COUNCIL APPROVAL, UH, IS, IS REQUIRED IN DIRECTION TO STAFF TO SUBMIT THE ANNUAL PROGRESS REPORT. SO THE REQUIRED DATA INCLUDE RESIDENTIAL UNITS CREATED THROUGH THE PLANNING ENTITLEMENT PROCESS. UH, IN PETALUMA, WE WOULD CREATE THOSE RESIDENTIAL UNITS THROUGH THE SPAR PROCESS AND SOMETIMES CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PROCESS, BOTH [05:25:01] OF WHICH WOULD BE REVIEWED BY, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION OR IN THE CASE OF DEVELOPMENT WITHIN A HISTORIC DISTRICT BY, UH, HCPC, THROUGH THE HISTORIC SPAR PROCESS. THEN IT ALSO CONSIDERS RESIDENTIAL UNITS FOR WHICH BUILDING PERMITS HAVE BEEN ISSUED, UH, WHICH IS PART OF OUR, UM, THAT'S PART OF THE, THE DATA THAT INDICATE OUR ARENA FULFILLMENT. AND THAT'S DIFFERENTIATED FROM RESIDENTIAL UNITS THAT HAVE RECEIVED CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY. AND THEN FINALLY, WE'RE REQUIRED TO PORT OUT, REPORT OUT ON THE HOUSING ACTION PLAN IMPLEMENTATION STATUS, AS WELL AS OTHER, UH, DATA RELATED TO HOUSING PRODUCTION ACTIVITY, INCLUDING, UM, PROGRESS ON HCD GRANTS, IF ANY, REZONINGS AND SO FORTH. AND SO IN, UH, TABLE THREE OF THE STAFF REPORT, UH, WE SUMMARIZED UNITS ENTITLED, PERMITTED AND COMPLETED BY STRUCTURE TYPE IN 2024. SO, UH, HERE IN THE FIRST COLUMN, WE CAN SEE THAT 68 UNITS WERE ENTITLED. A MAJORITY OF THOSE UNITS, UH, WERE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED AND, UM, MULTIFAMILY STRUCTURES. THEN, UH, 27 WERE PERMITTED. THAT MEANS THAT THEY WERE ISSUED BUILDING PERMITS, AND THEN 296, UM, BUILDING PERMITS WERE COMPLETED. AND, AND, UH, THEN, UM, UNITS RECEIVED CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY. SO, UH, THERE GIVES YOU KIND OF THE FULL MATRIX OF WHAT WE, WE REPORT ON, ON A, UH, ANNUAL BASIS IN THE ANNUAL PROGRESS REPORT. THEN WE ALSO CREATED SOME ADDITIONAL TABLES TO, UH, USING THE DATA DERIVED FROM THE ANNUAL PROGRESS REPORT TO, UH, HELP ILLUSTRATE SOME OF THE ACTIVITIES. SO, UM, THE FIRST TABLE THREE A LOOKS AT DISCRETIONARY PLANNING ENTITLEMENT ACTIVITY, THE NUMBER OF HOUSING APPLICATIONS SUBMITTED, PROPOSED UNITS, AND THEN, UM, THE TOTAL NUMBER APPROVED. SO OF THOSE 399 THAT WERE SUBMITTED IN 2024 AND 2025, THEY'LL BECOME PIPELINE PROJECTS UNTIL THEY'RE APPROVED AND THEN GO ON TO, UH, BUILDING PERMIT. AND THEN TABLE THREE B JUST, UH, DIFFERENTIATES BETWEEN MINISTERIAL AND DISCRETIONARY PLANNING ENTITLEMENT APPLICATIONS. AN EXAMPLE OF A MINISTERIAL WOULD BE AN SB 35 PROJECT. UH, WE DO WASHINGTON, OR MED PEN RATHER, WHO WAS HERE EARLIER. LAUREN FURY SPOKE, UH, THEY JUST SUBMITTED AN SB 35 PROJECT A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO FOR THE 2025 REPORTING PERIOD. SO WE DID NOT HAVE ANY OF THOSE IN 2024. UM, BUT THEN OF COURSE, WE HAVE THE FIVE APPLICATIONS REPRESENTING 399 UNITS OF, UH, DISCRETIONARY REVIEW PROJECTS. UM, IT IS, IT IS ALSO GOOD TO NOTE THAT, UH, EFFECTIVE LAST YEAR WITH SB 4 23, THE STATE HAS DROPPED, UM, THE USE OF THE TERM SB 35, AND THEY NOW USE SB 4 23. UM, IT'S REFERRED TO AS SMAP STREAMLINING AND MINISTERIAL APPLICATION PROCESSING. SO YOU'LL SEE THAT SB 4 23 OR SMAP BECOME MORE FAMILIAR. SO WHAT ARE SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT WERE APPROVED IN 2024? WE HAD THE REVENA LANE APARTMENTS, 100% AFFORDABLE PROJECT, UM, COMPRISED OF A 32 MULTIFAMILY UNITS. UH, THAT WAS A PROJECT THAT DID RECEIVE A DENSITY BONUS, AND, UH, I BELIEVE IT IS, IT'S COMPLETING ITS BUILDING PERMIT REVIEW IF IT HASN'T DONE SO IN THE PAST WEEK OR SO, SCOTT RANCH RESIDENTIAL SPAR WAS COMPLETED IN 24 28 UNITS OF SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, UM, PRODUCT. AND THAT IS IN PLAN CHECK. THEN WE GO INTO JUST A COUPLE OF, UM, SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED DWELLING UNITS, UH, THAT RECEIVE SPAR REVIEW BECAUSE THEY WERE LOCATED IN HILLSIDE CONDITIONS. AND, UH, CURRENTLY IN CERTAIN, UM, GENERAL PLANT SUB AREAS, UH, SPAR REVIEW IS REQUIRED FOR THOSE PROJECTS. THEN INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, UM, WE HAD, UH, 10 KELLER STREET AND 4 0 7 C STREET, WHICH WERE CONVERSIONS OF, UM, SOME RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES BEING USED FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES, UM, IN OUR MIXED USE ZONING DISTRICT. SO WE CAN SEE WHERE SOME OF THE MARKET APPEAL OF CONVERTING THOSE BACK TO RESIDENTIAL, UM, USES, UH, FOR LIKELY FOR PURPOSES RELATED TO JUST, UM, MARKET FACTORS. AND, UH, THAT DOES REQUIRE A MINOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO DO SO. THEN IN TERMS OF APPLICATIONS SUBMITTED, WE HAD, UH, THE SIG COMMONS APARTMENTS SUBMITTED THEIR SPAR APPLICATION, WHICH IS REQUIRED FOR A 180 UNIT MULTIFAMILY PROJECT. THE GALLAGHER SENIOR LIVING PROJECT AT 1221 PETALUMA BOULEVARD [05:30:01] NORTH, UH, SUBMITTED FOR THE, UH, THE RESIDENTIAL SENIOR LIVING FACILITY THAT HAS 85 INDEPENDENT LIVING UNITS IN SENIOR CARE FACILITIES THAT, THAT HAVE INDEPENDENT LIVING UNITS. UH, THE STATE DOES ALLOW US TO COUNT THOSE UNITS FOR RENA PURPOSES, PURPOSES, HOWEVER, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T, UH, COUNT THE ASSISTED LIVING OR MEMORY CARE SERVICES UNITS. THEN THE OYSTER COVE MIXED USE PROJECT THAT IN 2023 WAS REVIEWED BY COUNCIL FOR GENERAL PLAN, AMENDMENT REZONING AND A, UH, TENTATIVE MAP, UM, IN 2024, THAT PROJECT BEGAN THE YEAR BY SUBMITTING ITS SPAR APPLICATION. HOWEVER, BY THE END OF THE YEAR, UM, BROOKFIELD RESIDENTIAL HAD WITHDRAWN THAT SPAR APPLICATION DUE TO SOME COMPLICATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH SOIL QUALITY AND NEED FOR REMEDIATION. SO THE, THE O CITY CONTINUES TO WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO BOTH ENCOURAGE REMEDIATION OF THE PROPERTY, BUT ALSO TO IDENTIFY, UH, ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT GROUP WHO WOULD BE INTERESTED IN, IN THAT, UH, VERY APPEALING SITE. AND THEN, UM, ALSO IN THE SAME YEAR THAT THEY WERE SUBMITTED, 10 KELLER STREET AND 4 0 7 C STREET WERE APPROVED. UM, AFTER THE MINOR CUP APPROVAL, THE PROJECTS WOULD LIKELY, UH, WERE SUBMITTED FOR BUILDING PERMITS. UM, AND I BELIEVE IN BOTH CASES THOSE BUILDING PERMITS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED. SO THEN, UH, IN TERMS OF BUILDING PERMIT ACTIVITY, 296 CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY WERE, UH, ISSUED. THOSE, UH, CONSIST OF 97 SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES AND 178 MULTIFAMILY AS WELL AS 21 ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS. UM, THE 97 SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED WOULD'VE BEEN, UH, THE QUARRY HEIGHTS PROJECT. UM, THE, UM, OH, IT WAS TWO 40 CASA GRANDE, BUT IT, UH, MCKENNA, THE MCKENNA PROJECT AND RIVER BEND OFF OF, OFF OF, UH, MADISON STREET. AND THEN 178 MULTIFAMILY LARGELY CONSISTS OF THE, UM, DEER CREEK RESIDENTIAL PROJECT ON, UH, NORTH MCDOWELL BOULEVARD. AND THEN 27 BUILDING PERMITS WERE ISSUED, UM, FOR EIGHT SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED UNITS AND 19, UM, ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS. AND THIS IS A GREAT PLACE TO POINT OUT THAT RENA DOES ALLOW US TO COUNT NOW, ALLOWS US TO COUNT, UM, PERMITS ISSUED FOR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, AND WE'RE ALSO ABLE TO ALLOCATE OUR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS ACROSS, UM, ALL OF OUR, UM, INCOME LEVELS. SO THEY'RE ALLOCATED AT A RATE OF ABOUT, UH, 30% OF UNITS TO EACH INCOME LEVEL. THAT'S VERY HELPFUL IN HELPING US ACHIEVE, ESPECIALLY THOSE EXTREMELY LOW, VERY LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLD REQUIRED NUMBERS. SO THEN THIS REFLECTS, UH, THE DISTRIBUTION OF BUILDING PERMITS ISSUED BY INCOME CATEGORY, BUT ACROSS THE ENTIRE HOUSING CYCLE. SO FOR THE PERIOD 2022 TO 23, 287, BUILDING PERMITS ISSUED IN TWENTY THREE, A HUNDRED AND EIGHT, TWENTY FOUR TWENTY SEVEN FOR A TOTAL OF 422, UH, THAT'S HELPING US TO ACHIEVE ABOUT 22% OF OUR ARENA REQUIREMENT. AND, UH, WITH THIS REPORT THEN WE'RE 25% OF THE WAY THROUGH, UH, THE, UH, SIX CYCLE. AND THEN IN, UM, WE LOOKED THEN AT THE ARENA, THE A DU STRATEGY IN 2024 A DU PRODUCTION. UM, THE, UH, THE STRATEGY, THE HOUSING ELEMENT FORECAST AT AN AVERAGE OF 16 PERMITS ISSUED ANNUALLY. SO IN BOTH 23 AND 24, WE'VE EXCEEDED THAT. UM, AND THAT'S ALLOWED US TO ACHIEVE 31.6% OF OUR GOAL OF 128 UNITS DURING THE EIGHT YEAR CYCLE. AND THEN FINALLY, THIS IS A GREAT COMPARISON OF HOW PETALUMA IN 2023 IS, UH, COMPARING TO SONOMA COUNTY, TATI, ROOKE PARK, AND SANTA ROSA. UM, QUITE A BIT OF VARIABILITY ACROSS JURISDICTIONS. UM, DEFINITELY WITH SANTA ROSA LEADING THE WAY WITH, UH, REALLY QUITE A HUGE NUMBER OF PIPELINE, UH, UNITS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED, UM, PROBABLY GOING INTO THEIR SIX CYCLE HOUSING ELEMENT. SO THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO SEE A LOT OF, UH, HOUSING PRODUCTION ACTIVITY AS WELL AS THE COUNTY HAS AS WELL. OTHER NOTABLE DATA POINTS THAT WERE REQUIRED TO REPORT, UH, DENSITY BONUS APPLICATIONS, NONE WERE SUBMITTED IN 24, UH, SB NINE APPLICATIONS. UH, WE DID NOT HAVE ANY SUBMITTED IN 2024, BUT WE DID ISSUE BUILDING PERMITS FOR TWO SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED DWELLING UNITS THAT RESULTED FROM SB NINE APPLICATIONS PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED. THEN, AS I MENTIONED, THERE [05:35:01] WERE NO SB 35 OR, UH, 4 23 STREAMLINING APPLICATIONS SUBMITTED AND NO REZONINGS. SO THEN WE GET TO, UH, ANOTHER INTERESTING, UM, BIT OF DATA, WHICH IS OUR 2025, UH, PIPELINE HOUSING ACTIVITY. AND, UM, SO IF THE, IF THE NUMBER OF 27 BUILDING PERMITS ISSUED IN 2024 IS A BIT DEPRESSING, THEN WE GO TO 25 AND WE LOOK AT OUR PIPELINE ACTIVITY, WHICH IS REALLY, UM, QUITE IMPRESSIVE OVERALL AND IN DELIVERING, UM, LOW INCOME AND ABOVE MODERATE INCOME UNITS. SO THIS IS GOING TO BE 394 UNITS IN PLANNING REVIEW. UH, WE HAVE 244 THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED. UM, SOME ARE WORKING THEIR WAY TOWARDS BUILDING PERMIT AND SOME ARE HAVING TO, UH, REEXAMINE, UH, THEIR APPROVALS TO, UM, TO, TO RETHINK REDESIGN THEIR PROJECTS, UH, TYPICALLY TO, TO BE ABLE TO, UM, ADDRESS CONSTRUCTION COST ISSUES. THEN WE HAVE 437 ISSUES IN PLAN CHECK. THAT MEANS THAT THEY HAVE SUBMITTED FOR A BUILDING PERMIT, UH, ONE UNDER CONSTRUCTION, AND THEN 50, UM, THAT, THAT WILL REALIZE DEVELOPMENT COMPLETE. THAT, UH, I BELIEVE WAS, UM, LAST WEEK, IF NOT THE WEEK BEFORE THAT THE, UH, BURBANK PROJECT RECEIVED A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. AND THEN WE STILL ARE, ARE ACCOUNTING FOR QUARRY HEIGHTS, SUNNY SLOPE TWO AND RIVERBEND. BUT THEY'LL DELIVER ANYWHERE BETWEEN ONE AND THREE, UH, CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY IN 2025, AND THEN THOSE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS WILL BE COMPLETE. SO THEN WE MOVE ON FROM THE DATA-DRIVEN PORTION INTO THE HOUSING ACTION PLAN. PROGRESS WE'RE REQUIRED TO REPORT, UM, ON THAT. THE, UH, THE HOUSING ACTION PLAN HAS SIX GOALS. IF WE START AT THE BOTTOM, WE HAVE, UH, HOUSING AVAILABILITY AND CHOICES ALL THE WAY UP TO FAIR HOUSING. AND THEN, UM, WE CALCULATE ALL OF THE PLAN GOALS. THIS IS A, A NEW PROCESS THAT WE'RE EXPERIMENTING WITH THIS YEAR TO BE ABLE TO, TO QUANTITATIVELY ANALYZE PROGRESS. UM, IT'S NOT REQUIRED BY HCD, BUT IT DOES HELP US TO, UH, TO HAVE SOME VISUALS AND TO THINK ABOUT IT THAT WAY. SO WE CAN SEE THAT WE'VE MADE THE MOST PROGRESS IN OUR FAIR HOUSING GOAL ACHIEVEMENT AND HOUSING PRESERVATION ACROSS ALL GOALS. UM, WE'RE HITTING AT ABOUT 76 TO 78% COMPLETION. SO WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE FOR A PARTICULAR GOAL, THIS IS A, UH, SNAPSHOT OF GOAL ONE, UH, WHICH IS, UM, HOUSING AVAILABILITY AND CHOICES. AND SO WE, THE, WE HAVE THE, UH, PROGRAM DESCRIPTIONS. THESE ARE SOME OF THE PROGRAMS, ADEQUATE SITES FOR RENA REPLACEMENT HOUSING, ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, AND EFFICIENT USE OF MULTI LAND, OR SOME EXAMPLES HERE. AND THEN THE SPECIFIC ACTION ID, WHICH IN THIS SLIDE, UH, WOULD BE FROM ONE TO 20. THERE'S 102 SPECIFIC ACTIONS THAT WE WORK ON THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. THEN THE, UH, THE REPORTING STATUS, UH, WE'RE REQUIRED TO REPORT IS EITHER IN PROCESS, UM, COMPLETED, ONGOING, OR FUTURE. UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY FUTURE SHOWN HERE IN THIS SLIDE, BUT I, I BELIEVE IT WAS ATTACHMENT FOUR OF THE STAFF REPORT, UM, HAD DETAILED REPORTING FOR ALL SIX OF THE GOALS. AND FOR THAT, WE THEN TOOK AND, AND, UH, CREATED, UM, SORT OF A, A, A QUARTILE INCREMENT OF PROGRESS. UH, AND THAT'S REPRESENTED BY THAT RANGE FROM 25% TO A HUNDRED PERCENT. SO, FOR INSTANCE, WE LOOK AT SPECIFIC ACTION, UH, NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS TO AMEND THE ZONING CODE TO PERMIT RESIDENTIAL MIXED USE PROJECTS BY RIGHT WITHOUT DISCRETIONARY REVIEW ON REUSE SITES FROM THE PREVIOUS HOUSING ELEMENTS. SO THAT ONE, UM, WAS GIVEN A 25%, IT IS INCLUDED OR 25%, UH, GOAL ATTAINMENT. IT IS INCLUDED IN THE ZONING CODE UPDATE SCOPE OF WORK, UH, THAT CURRENTLY IS IN PROCESS. AND, AND WE'LL BE WRAPPING UP WITH AN RFP FOR YOUR REVIEW THIS SUMMER. UM, BUT SO, SO IT'S ACKNOWLEDGED WE'RE WORKING ON IT. WE HAVE A PLAN FOR IT. AND, UM, THEN AS THE ZONING CODE UPDATE MOVES FORWARD, IT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THAT, OR WE COULD, UH, WE HAVE BEEN TALKING RECENTLY ABOUT BREAKING OFF SOME OF THESE MORE HOUSING SPECIFIC AMENDMENTS AND, UH, TAKING ACTION ON THEM EARLIER. AND IF WE COMPARE THAT TO, UM, SAY, SPECIFIC ACTION NINE, WHICH IS AN ONGOING ACTION TO CREATE A STREAMLINED APPLICATION AND REVIEW PROCESS FOR OUR A DU PROJECTS, AS WELL AS TO UPDATE THE CITY WEBSITE AND CREATE A DEDICATED PAGE FOR A DU RESOURCES. SO THAT HAS BEEN [05:40:01] FULLY IMPLEMENTED. WE HAVE STAFF WHO ARE DEDICATED TO RESPONDING TO A DU QUESTIONS, AND WE HAVE A VERY ROBUST, UM, WEBPAGE TO SUPPORT INQUIRIES ABOUT A DU DEVELOPMENT. SO THAT WILL MAINTAIN IT A HUNDRED PERCENT THEN THROUGHOUT THE REMAINDER OF THE HOUSING CYCLE. AND THEN FINALLY, WE'LL POINT OUT BRIEFLY, UM, SPECIFIC ACTIONS. 19 AND 20, BOTH OF WHICH ARE IN PROCESS. A SPECIFIC ACTION 19 WOULD ADOPT ZONING AMENDMENTS TO MODIFY RESIDENTIAL PRODUCT TYPES TO ALLOW OR HIGH TO ALLOW HIGHER DENSITY IN DIFFERENT ZONES. AND THEN AS PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE TO ESTABLISH MINIMUM DENSITIES, UM, FOR MULTIFAMILY AND MIXED USE ZONES, AND TO DEVELOP TARGET DENSITY POLICIES, THOSE ARE AT 75% BECAUSE THEY'RE PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE. THEY'VE BEEN DISCUSSED, POLICIES HAVE BEEN DRAFTED. THEN THE, UH, STAFF REPORT AFTER CONCLUDING, UM, REPORTING OUT ON THE ANNUAL PROGRESS REPORT TURNED TO DISCUSSION ABOUT SOME OF THOSE FACTORS OR INFLUENCERS OF HOUSING PRODUCTION. IT REPORTED ON THE REAL ESTATE MARKETS USING THE, UH, ULI, THE URBAN LAND INSTITUTE'S EMERGING TRENDS REPORT THERE, UH, THAT FOCUSED ON INTEREST RATES, UM, HAVE BEEN PARTICULARLY CHALLENGING AS WELL AS ACCESS TO CAPITAL. UM, THE CAPITAL MARKETS GIVEN THE, THE INTEREST RATES AS WELL AS RELATIVELY HIGH LEVELS OF RISK ARE PRETTY TIGHT THESE DAYS. ALSO, UM, DISCUSSED, UH, LAND COST AND RENTS. THEN THE STATE LEGISLATION. WE CONTINUE TO EXPERIENCE JUST A PLETHORA OF STATE LEGISLATION BEING ADOPTED TO FACILITATE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. THAT CREATES A VERY ACTIVE ENVIRONMENT, UM, TYPICALLY PRO-HOUSING ENVIRONMENT, BUT IT, UH, IT CAN BE BEWILDERING, I THINK, FOR EVERYBODY WHO'S WORKING IN THAT ENVIRONMENT. NEXT IS THE AVAILABILITY OF LAND. UM, SO IN THE CITY OF PETALUMA, WE, WE CLASSIFY ALL, UH, NEW DEVELOPMENT, HOUSING PRODUCTION ACTIVITY AS INFILL DEVELOPMENT. WE, UM, PERHAPS THE LAST, EVEN WHAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER GREENFIELD SITE WAS THE RECENTLY APPROVED, UM, CASA GRANDE PROJECT, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE IS INFILL AND INFILL DEVELOPMENT IS, IS COMPLEX. THE SITES CAN BE CHALLENGING TO WORK WITH, AND, UM, AND IT TAKES, UH, IT TAKES A LOT OF WORK. IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME TO DEVELOP THOSE PROJECTS. SO THE AVAILABILITY OF LAND, LOCATION OF LAND AND CONFIGURATION OF PARCELS, UM, CAN BECOME A REAL FACTOR. AND THEN FINALLY, THE LOCAL REGULATORY CONTEXT. WE'RE CURRENTLY IN A PERIOD OF, UH, DEVELOPING THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE, UH, BEGINNING WORK ON THE ZONING CODE UPDATE. AND SO, UH, WE, SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAVE WITH POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, UM, DO CENTER AROUND HOW A PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY MIGHT BE REPOSITIONED IN THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE. CONVERSELY, WITH REGARD TO THE HEALTHY PETALUMA SITE, UH, THAT WAS A QUESTION WAS ASKED ABOUT TODAY, UH, THAT DEVELOPER WHO WAS SELECTED DOES WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT, UH, AND DOESN'T WANNA WAIT FOR THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE. SO WE, UH, WE KIND OF, IT REALLY DEPENDS ON WHAT'S DRIVING PROJECTS IN TERMS OF HOW THEY'RE RESPONDING TO THE LOCAL REGULATORY ENVIRONMENT. SO THEN ALSO IN THE DISCUSSION SESSION SECTION, WE OFFERED, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS FOR SUPPORT AND INITIATIVES OR INCENTIVES, RATHER. ONE OF THOSE IS TO CONTINUE TO HAVE FOCUS DIALOGUES LIKE WE'VE DONE THIS YEAR WITH HAYSTACK PACIFICA TO BETTER UNDERSTAND, UM, THEIR, UH, WORK ON REDESIGNING THEIR PROJECT, UM, SO THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO, UH, MAKE THE PROFORMA WORK AND BE ABLE TO SUBMIT FOR BUILDING PERMIT, UM, AS WELL AS THE ONGOING CONVERSATIONS WITH SMART ABOUT DEVELOPMENT OF THE SMART SITE. FINALLY, UH, IT'S HELPFUL TO LOOK AT INFILL HOUSING STRATEGIES, ESPECIALLY FOR THAT PREFERRED, UM, SMALL SCALE INFILL HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. ONE IDEA THERE WAS TO CONSIDER A PROGRAM WHERE THE CITY MIGHT, UH, BE ABLE TO LOAN FUNDS TO PREFERRED DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS. UH, TYPICALLY YOUR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COSTS ARE BORNE BY THE DEVELOPER UNTIL THEY HAVE A BUILDING PERMIT IN HAND AND ARE ABLE TO, TO, UH, PULL DOWN THEIR CONSTRUCTION LOAN FINANCING. THEN THEY'RE ABLE TO RE, UH, TO, UH, REIMBURSE THEMSELVES FOR THE COST OF DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY. SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOK AT, UM, SORT OF LOW HANGING INCENTIVES, ONE IDEA MIGHT BE FOR THE CITY TO HOLD THAT, UH, HOLD THOSE COSTS THROUGH A NO INTEREST LOAN PROGRAM OR SOME OTHER PROGRAM TO, UH, TO HELP INCENTIVIZE THEM IN THAT MANNER. FINALLY, WE CONTINUE TO, UH, MONITOR, ANALYZE, AND BE RESPONSIVE TO DENSITY ALLOWANCES, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT ARE MANDATED BY STATE LAW, A [05:45:01] LOCAL PLANNING REVIEW STREAMLINING. UH, WE'LL INCREASINGLY LOOK FOR OPTIONS TO STREAMLINE LOCAL REVIEW, UH, FOR ONE, FOR ONE FOR EXAMPLE, UH, AT PRESENT ADMINISTER OR, UM, THE THRESHOLD FOR ADMINISTRATIVE SPAR FOR A HOUSING PROJECT IS FIVE UNITS. SO A PROJECT OVER FIVE UNITS WOULD THEN AUTOMATICALLY, UH, BE REQUIRED TO UNDERGO MAJOR SPAR. AND, UH, WE HAVE BEEN CONSIDERING A, UM, A RECOMMENDATION AS PART OF AN INTERIM SET OF HOUSING ELEMENT AND IZO AMENDMENTS TO INCREASE THAT TO PERHAPS 10 UNITS, AGAIN, AS, AS A NON-FINANCIAL INCENTIVE TO SUPPORT PREFERRED DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN FINALLY, BEST PRACTICES, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF CITIES HAVE, HAVE, ARE REALLY STEPPING UP TO THE PLATE NOW AND IDENTIFYING LOCAL STREAMLINING AND MINISTERIAL REVIEW PROCESSES. AND, UH, WE WANT TO TURN TO LOOKING AT THOSE BEST PRACTICES, UH, INCLUDING, UH, SAN DIEGO, SANTA MONICA, BERKELEY, OAKLAND, AND SAN JOSE TO SEE WHAT THEY'RE DOING TO MOVE THE NEEDLE ON HOUSING PRODUCTION BEYOND WHAT THE STATE IS AS, UM, REQUIRING US TO DO. SO THEN WE GET TO OUR 2025 HOUSING REGULATORY WORK. UH, THIS SUMMER WE'LL BE PUTTING TOGETHER A PACKAGE OF HOUSING AMENDMENTS, UM, THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE A DU ORDINANCE UPDATES. UH, TO CLARIFY, WE, WE ARE REQUIRED TO IMPLEMENT THE STATE, UM, A DU REGULATIONS, HOWEVER, WE OFTENTIMES FIND THAT A DU PRODUCTION AT THE LOCAL LEVEL IS FACILITATED IF YOUR LOCAL ORDINANCE REFLECTS THOSE CURRENT REGULATIONS AS WELL. UM, WE'LL BRING FORWARD AN SB NINE ORDINANCE, AND THEN AGAIN, WE'LL BE REVIEWING THE HOUSING ACTION PLAN TO IDENTIFY OTHER HOUSING ELEMENT REQUIRED AMENDMENTS THAT WE CAN LEAD ON NOW AS OPPOSED TO, UH, WAITING FOR THE ZONING CODE UPDATE. AND SO, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, UM, YOU SEE THE ZONING CODE UPDATE, WHICH WILL BE THE CODIFICATION OF THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE. ONCE THAT'S ADOPTED, UH, IN PARTICULAR FOCUSING ON THE LAND USE ELEMENT AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, WE DO ANTICIPATE A FULL, UM, UH, RELATIVELY COMPREHENSIVE UPDATE OF THE IMPLEMENTING ZONING ORDINANCE. UH, BUT THE EXTENT TO WHICH WE CAN LEAD, LEAD ON SOME OF THOSE AMENDMENTS, UH, WOULD BE HELPFUL WHILE WAITING FOR THE GENERAL PLAN TO COME FORWARD FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. AND SO WITH THAT, UH, THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION OF THE ANNUAL PROGRESS REPORT. OF COURSE, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE ABSOLUTELY THRILLED TO ANSWER QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE, UM, BEFORE YOU THEN, AS A RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE THE REPORT, UH, INCLUDING OUR PRESENTATION AND CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE HOUSING, ANNUAL HOUSING ELEMENT, ANNUAL PROGRESS REPORT, AND AUTHORIZING STAFF TO SUBMIT THE REPORT TO HCD AND OPR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE REPORT. IT'S, IT'S A GREAT REPORT. UM, AND, UM, SOMETHING, ONE OF THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE YEAR FOR ME TO SEE THIS COME THROUGH AND, UH, THE CHANGES WE'RE MAKING FOR HOUSING. UH, ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL? COUNCIL MEMBER REPPS? OKAY, TWO QUESTIONS BASICALLY, UM, ON, FOR THE ADUS, UM, AND I THINK I'M, I'M ONE OF 'EM THERE THIS LAST YEAR. UM, BUT WHEN YOU HAD 'EM LISTED AS MOSTLY, UM, MARKET RATE, ARE WE LOOKING AT THE A DU FROM THE OWNER OF THE DWELLING OR FROM THE OCCUPANT OF THE ACTUAL UNIT, WHICH IS GONNA BE 75% FAMILY MEMBER? ARE WE, WHICH ONE ARE WE USING AS OUR ECONOMIC VALUE IS LOW, MEDIUM, HIGH? IT, IT WOULD BE THE RENT OF THE A DU. BUT IT'S, IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE THIS YEAR THE STATE ALLOWED US TO JUST ALLOCATE THOSE ACROSS WITHOUT A RENT VERIFICATION, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. AND I'M LOOKING AT, AT HEATHER HINES. SO IN, IN PRIOR TO THIS YEAR, I BELIEVE YOU HAD TO GO THROUGH A VERIFICATION PROCESS AND THEN YOU ALLOCATED BASED ON THE ACTUAL RENTS. BUT, BUT NOW WE CANNOT ALLOCATE JUST, UH, BASED UPON 30% TO EACH OF THE INCOME LEVELS, RIGHT? 'CAUSE I, MY SUSPICION IS FOR THOSE 70, LIKE IN MY CASE, UM, WE'RE DOING IT FOR A FAMILY MEMBER WHO DOESN'T HAVE ANY MONEY, WHO DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO DO SOMETHING ON THEIR OWN. AND THIS IS, AND SO IT'S MULTI-GENERATIONAL AND USUALLY BEING BROUGHT IN QUITE QUESTION. SO THE QUESTION IS, CAN WE SOMEHOW GET THOSE RATED AS LOW OR EXTREMELY LOW IF WE ACTUALLY USE THE OCCUPANT INCOME INSTEAD? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT AND SEE, BECAUSE THAT CERTAINLY WOULD BE HELPFUL IN HELPING US ACHIEVE OUR EXTREMELY LOW AND VERY LOW, UH, REQUIREMENTS. RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT MY SUGGESTION IS TO GET THE, GET THOSE NUMBERS UP FOR, FOR THE EXTREMELY LOW AND LOW, IF WE LOOK AT THE OCCUPANT FINANCIAL SITUATION, NOT THE ACTUAL OWNERS OF THE BUILDING. OKAY. THE, UM, THE NEXT ONE, UM, I DO SEE THAT WE HAVE LOTS OF DWELLINGS [05:50:01] GO IN. IT'S REALLY NICE. WE'RE MEETING ALL THE READING NUMBERS WITHOUT REZONING. SO WE'VE GOT, GOT SHELTERS, WE'VE GOT ADUS, MOSTLY FAMILY, WE'VE GOT COMPLEXES, MOSTLY APARTMENTS, UH, WE HAVE SINGLE FAMILIES. BUT WHAT'S MISSING AS A REPORTED, UH, FOR THE WEBINAR, WENT TO A RESEARCHER WHO LOOKED AT THE ENTIRE BAY AREA, SAID WHAT WE'RE REALLY MISSING IS THE, THE MIDDLE, THE MISSING MIDDLE. MM-HMM. MM-HMM . AND HE SAID THE BEST WAY TO GET AT THE MISSING MIDDLE IS ACTUALLY REZONING SINGLE FAMILY LOTS, WHICH WE HAVE LIKE 85% HERE IN THE NORTH IN THE BAY AREA. IT SAYS 85% OF HOUSING IS SINGLE FAMILY ZONING, NO ALLOWANCE FOR ANYTHING ELSE. AND IT'S THE HIGHEST IN ALL OF CALIFORNIA, IN FACT, POSSIBLY THE US, UH, FOR THAT. AND SO WE ARE AT THE WORST SITUATION OF REQUIRING SINGLE FAMILY. CAN WE, UM, TO MI HIT THAT MISSING MIDDLE, WHICH IS NOT IN OUR ARENA NUMBERS AT ALL. CAN WE POSSIBLY, EITHER THE ENTIRE TOWN OR SECTIONS OF THE TOWN, CAN WE REZONE FOR MULTIFAMILY ZONING WHERE THERE'S CURRENTLY SINGLE FAMILY ZONING? CAN WE CHANGE THAT TO HIT THAT MISSING MIDDLE? WELL, ABSOLUTELY. AND THAT'S WHAT THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE IS LOOKING AT THERE. THEY'RE LOOKING AT THAT. SO THE MISSING MIDDLE IS, IS, UM, IT, IT'S ACTUALLY THE SMALL SCALE INFILL HOUSING. IT'S NOT A REFERENCE TO AN INCOME LEVEL. CORRECT. IT'S A REFERENCE TO SORT OF THAT, THAT MISSING MIDDLE IN BETWEEN RIGHT. OUR TO TWO TO FIVE, OR EVEN RIGHT. TWO, TWO TO FOUR UNITS PER, LIKE, INSTEAD OF A SINGLE FAMILY, IT'D BE TWO TO FOUR, RIGHT? OR FOR IF TWO PARCELS PUT TOGETHER, I SAW A PRESENTATION, SOMEONE IN SAN DIEGO SPECIALIZES IN THAT MM-HMM . AND MAKING REALLY GOOD MONEY DOING IT AND, AND IS GETTING PASSED THROUGH THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO'S PASSING 'EM THROUGH EVERY SINGLE ONE. IT'S JUST LIKE FAST TRACKING THEM AND THEY HAVE A COMPLETE COMMUNITIES HOUSING PROGRAM AS WELL THAT'S SET UP TO SUPPORT THAT. SO THEY'VE, THEY'VE KIND OF DONE A WRAPAROUND ON THE REGULATORY FRAMEWORK FOR THAT. YEAH. WE SEEM TO BE MISSING THAT, THAT PART OF OUR PORTFOLIO OF ALL THE HOUSING. IT'S, IT'S NOT HERE, RIGHT? AND, AND SO IF WE WANT OUR YOUNG FOLKS TO COME UP HERE, WE NEED THAT. AND THAT'S WHY, WHY I'M SUGGESTING, WHY I'M ASKING HOW FAST CAN WE DO IT? DO WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE DRONE? CAN WE DO IT SOONER? UM, ANYWAY, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I WANT, THAT'S THE GOAL I WOULD LIKE TO PUT OUT FOR YOU. I KNOW CERTAINLY THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE IS LOOKING AT THAT VERY INTENTLY, BUT WE ALSO HAVE SB NINE AND SOME OTHER TOOLS FROM THE STATE THAT CAN ACHIEVE THAT AS WELL. WHAT WE COULD DO IS, IS ELEVATE THOSE TOOLS, UM, YOU KNOW, IN SORT OF A MISSING MIDDLE APPROACH AND MAKE THOSE MORE RECOGNIZABLE, UM, AS AN INTERIM STRATEGY WHILE WE WAIT FOR THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE. RIGHT. I WANNA MOTIVATE, UH, A YOUNG DEVELOPER WHO WOULD COME IN TO JUST MAYBE DO A LITTLE BIT, BUT THEY COULD COME UP TO THIS LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT. SURE. AND HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE ENCOURAGE THAT PERSON TO STEP UP TO DO THAT? BECAUSE MOST DEVELOPERS ARE, ARE THINKING BIG. THEY'RE NOT THINKING SMALL. WE NEED YOUNG, YOUNG ENTREPRENEURS. OKAY. I THINK WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS, UH, TOUCHING ON OUR GENERAL PLAN AND GIVING FEEDBACK FOR GENERAL PLAN. AND THAT'S APPRECIATED. AND WE'LL STAY WITH THE QUESTIONS ON THE REPORT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS COMING THIS SIDE, GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE. COUNCIL MEMBER BARNAL? YEP. UM, I BROUGHT IT UP ON THE LAST ONE. UM, ARE WE DOING ANYTHING WITH SURPLUS LANDS WITH PETALUMA SURPLUS LANDS RIGHT NOW? SHORT ANSWER IS YES. UH, WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS. UM, THERE'S A VERY FORMULA FORMULAIC PROCESS THAT EACH CITY HAS TO GO THROUGH. AND SO, UM, AS PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE, UM, AS WE'RE ASSESSING, UH, OUR CITY FACILITIES, UM, DOING A NEEDS ASSESSMENT, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE DOING, UM, CURRENTLY. AND, UH, THE SITE THAT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, UH, BEING ONE OF THEM, THANKS. UM, I SAW 17 7 19 PLUM BOULEVARD NORTH ON THERE, THREE UNITS. UM, THE LOSS FOR SALE, IS THAT EXPECTED TO ACTUALLY COME INTO CONSTRUCTION OR IS THAT KIND OF ON HOLD? UH, WELL, IT WAS APPROVED IN 2024. IT HAD BEEN PUT ON PAUSE FOR, GOSH, ALMOST THREE YEARS, I THINK. AND, UH, I, I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT IT WOULD BE DEVELOPED BY THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNERS, SO LIKELY WAITING FOR THAT, UH, PROPERTY TO TRANSFER. GOT YOU. UM, SO NEXT ONE, UM, WHAT'S SANTA ROSA DOING TO BE KNOCKING IT OUTTA THE PARK LIKE THAT? WHAT HAVE WE LOOKED AT? WHAT POLICIES THEY'RE ENACTING THAT HAVE ENCOURAGED IT? I THINK, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING THEIR IMPACT FEES, THEY'VE GREATLY REDUCED THEIR IMPACT FEES ABOVE THIRD FLOOR. UM, WHAT, WHAT IS SANTA ROSA DOING THAT'S RESULTING IN THAT KIND OF, UH, YOU KNOW, AND THEY'RE SEEING A LOT OF GROWTH IN THEIR DOWNTOWN, RIGHT? WHICH IS [05:55:01] THEY NEED IT, YOU KNOW, SO, UM, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? WELL, UH, YOU KNOW, I WAS IN SANTA ROSA DURING, FROM 2016 THROUGH 2022, I GUESS, AND, UM, THAT A LOT OF, A LOT OF UNITS WERE ENTITLED FROM THAT 2017 TO 2019 PERIOD. SO I THINK THAT, THAT YOU'RE SEEING A LOT OF THAT ACTIVITY, UM, DEVELOP NOW. AND ONE THING THAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THAT, THE, A LOT OF THAT ACTIVITY WAS ON LARGER LOTS. AND, AND SAN ROSA TENDED TO HAVE A LOT OF LARGER LOTS, ESPECIALLY AROUND THE PERIPHERY OF THE CITY, UM, KIND OF IN THAT INNER RING SUBURB. AND, UH, THOSE I THINK WERE ESPECIALLY CONDUCIVE TO MULTIFAMILY AND THEIR HOUSING ELEMENT HAD IDENTIFIED THEM AND HAD THEM ZONED APPROPRIATELY FOR THAT. UM, THEN YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, THEY WANTED TO INCENTIVIZE HIGHER DENSITY. AND SO THEY, UH, DID THAT THROUGH, UM, CERTAIN, UH, REDUCTIONS OF DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES. UM, THEY ELIMINATED THEIR, THEIR, UH, BUILDING HEIGHT, UM, MAXIMUM AND, UH, WENT TO AN FAR THROUGH THEIR DOWNTOWN STATION AREA SPECIFIC PLAN. AND SO THEY, THEY REALLY TOOK, UH, SEVERAL DIFFERENT STRATEGIES TO IT, AS WELL AS THE CITY ALSO OWNED A FAIR AMOUNT OF LAND DOWNTOWN. UM, MOST OF IT IN THE FORM OF SURFACE PARKING OR, OR QUASI OBSOLETE, UH, STRUCTURED PARKING. AND SO THEY HAVE A ROBUST, UH, SURPLUS LAND LIST AS WELL, UM, PARTICULARLY IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. UM, THE OTHER THING THEN TOO IS, IS, UH, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN PROJECTS AT CERTAIN LEVELS OF AFFORDABILITY, WERE ABLE TO USE A MINOR, UH, DESIGN REVIEW PROCESS AS OPPOSED TO GOING THROUGH THE MAJOR DESIGN REVIEW PROCESS. SO THERE WERE SOME REG, UH, SOME PROCEDURAL INCENTIVES THERE AS WELL. UM, BUT, BUT THEY REALLY, I THINK, PUT TOGETHER A ROBUST PACKAGE. GREAT. UM, I'D LOVE TO SEE MORE INFORMATION ON THAT. UM, I ALSO, WELL, OKAY, I'LL KEEP TO QUESTIONS FOR NOW. UM, UH, FINAL THING, UM, OYSTER COVE BACKED OUT, UH, I'M LOOKING AT THE LETTERS FROM THE DOWNTOWN ASSOCIATION, UM, AROUND THE OVERLAY, AND THEY SORT OF REPEATEDLY CALL FOR, UM, SOMETHING TO ENCOURAGE OR REQUIRE PEOPLE WITH BLIGHTED OR UNDERUTILIZED PROPERTIES TO REDEVELOPMENT THEIR PROPERTIES. UM, I WOULD SAY THAT THE CURRENT OYSTER COVE PROJECT, UM, NOW VACANT AND SITTING THERE, IT'S SURROUNDED BY A CHAIN LINK FENCE, CERTAINLY UNDERUTILIZED. UM, WHAT TYPES OF ORDINANCE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ASKING FOR AN ORDINANCE TO ENCOURAGE OR REQUIRE PEOPLE WHO OWN THOSE PROPERTIES TO NOT SIT ON HIM. UM, YOU KNOW, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE TYPES OF ORDINANCES THAT WOULD, UM, HAVE THAT EFFECT? I THINK THERE'S A WIDE RANGE OF OPTIONS. UH, SOMETHING, UM, THAT MAY BE, UM, A LITTLE MORE INTENSIVE, UH, WHETHER IT'S A VACANCY. I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A VACANCY TAX IN THE PAST, UM, TO JUST MUCH MORE PROACTIVE CODE ENFORCEMENT, UM, AND NOT ENFORCEMENT WITH A CAPITAL E, BUT JUST WORKING WITH PROPERTY OWNERS, UM, MAKING, YOU KNOW, HELPING THEM UNDERSTAND, UH, THE VALUE, UM, ET CETERA. OYSTER COVE SPECIFICALLY, UM, I WOULD SAY WE JUST MET WITH THEM, WAS THAT A MONTH AGO ON SITE WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS. SO WHILE BROOKFIELD ISN'T AT THE TABLE AT THE MOMENT, UH, WE DID, UM, WALK THROUGH A SPECIFIC PLAN FOR, OR PLAN OF ACTION FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER, UM, TO GET STARTED ON REMEDIATION. UM, SO THAT'S THE NEXT STEP, UH, WORKING WITH DTSC. UM, AND I DO THINK AT SOME POINT, UM, IF THAT PROGRESSES WELL, UM, I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF BROOKFIELD CAME BACK, BUT ALSO, UM, WANTING TO CAST THE NET WIDE TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT ENTITLED PROJECT, UM, GETS IT GETS TO THE FINISH LINE. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UM, I'LL HOLD MY COMMENTS UNTIL AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT. COUNCIL MEMBER RENE, UM, I KNOW 1 31 LIBERTY IS COMING BACK. THERE'S A GREAT PROJECT. IS THAT IN THE PIPELINE YET? I HAVEN'T TALKED, THE DEVELOPER WAS HERE TONIGHT, BUT I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T TALK TO HIM. SURE. THE, THE 1 31 LIBERTY PROJECT IS, UH, STILL AN ACTIVE PROJECT. IT HAS A BUILDING PERMIT, UM, THAT'S IN, IN FOR REVIEW AND HAS STAYED ACTIVE. UM, THE, THE SISTER PROJECT AT ONE 36TH COURT STREET HAS EXPIRED. [06:00:01] AND I KNOW THEY'RE LOOKING AT SMALLER SINGLE FAMILY UNITS WITH AND, UM, SOME OWNERSHIP, WHICH IS REALLY WHAT WE REALLY NEED IS SINGLE SMALLER WITH SOME OWNERSHIP. AND ALSO THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY, WASHINGTON STREET, THE OLD BANK ACROSS FROM RIGHT, RIGHT. THE PHOENIX THEATER. I KNOW TOM GAFFEY WAS REALLY EXCITED. UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, IF, IF THAT IS GONE THROUGH, I HAVEN'T TALKED TO THAT DEVELOPER. WE DON'T, WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED APPLICATIONS. WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANYTHING. OKAY. RIGHT. IT'S JUST CONVERSATIONS, THEY'RE EYES ON THAT. MM-HMM. UM, ON THE EAST SIDE, UM, ESPECIALLY IN MY OLDER NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WAS BUILT IN 1966, THERE IS A LOT OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT WERE RENTAL PROPERTIES THAT ARE NOW ON THE MARKET BEING SOLD. UM, HOPEFULLY TO, TO FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS. I DON'T KNOW, THERE'S QUITE A FEW VACANT HOMES TOO THAT THE ORIGINAL OWNER OF THE HOUSE HAS PASSED AWAY AND HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, GIVEN TO THE NEXT GENERATION AND THEY'RE JUST SITTING ON IT BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIVE IN THE AREA. AND, UM, I, I WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, I'M ALWAYS TRYING TO SEE IF WE CAN GET THOSE, UH, YOU KNOW, A VACANCY MM-HMM . LIST OF HOUSES. AND I KNOW THAT'S HARD TO DO, UM, FOR THE APARTMENTS. THERE'S A LOT OF MARKET RATE, LIKE ON DEER CREEK. AND DO WE KNOW THE VACANCY RATE? I HEARD THEY WEREN'T EVEN 50%. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TRUE OR NOT. I'M NOT AWARE THAT THE CITY IS, UH, WE, THERE'S, UH, EIGHT QUARTER REPORT THAT THE CITY CAN GET FOR A COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES NON NON-RESIDENTIAL. I'M NOT AWARE THAT WE'RE TRACKING VACANCY RATES ON AN ON RESIDENTIAL. WE DO, I, I BELIEVE KAREN, IT'S A QUARTERLY VACANCY RATE. UM, I WOULD ATTRIBUTE IF THERE'S ANY, SO IT'S RELATIVELY LOW. UM, EACH TIME WE, WE CHECK THERE, THE DEMAND IS HIGH. UM, IF THIS IS ABOUT THE DEER CREEK APARTMENTS, I WONDER IF IT'S MORE, UM, BECAUSE IT'S A NEWER, UM, APARTMENT MAYBE PERHAPS THE VACANCY RATE IS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK INTO AND, AND SEE HOW WE CAN HELP WITH THAT. AND THE NEW ONES ON THE BOULEVARD TOO THAT ARE MARKET RATE. I HEARD THAT THEY WEREN'T AT FULL VACANCY. SO YEAH. SO LAVIA, UM, AGAIN, A NEWER, UM, PRIOR TO YOUR POINT, UH, MARKET RATE, UM, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK, I DON'T HAVE THE SPECIFIC VACANCY, UM, TOP OF MIND, BUT IT IS SOMETHING WE DO REGULARLY. OKAY. THOSE ARE MY ONLY QUESTIONS. THANKS. LET'S GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT AND NOT SEEING ANYONE COME. WE HAVE OPENED AND CLOSED, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE ITEM. COUNCIL COMMENT. COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE. YEAH. UM, I GUESS FOR ME, THE, THE, THE THING THAT STANDS OUT IS THAT A LOT OF THE PROJECTS IN OUR DOWNTOWN AND AROUND OUR DOWNTOWN ARE AROUND THE SMART STATION CONTINUE TO BE STALLED. OYSTER COVE, WE LOST HAYSTACK IS, UM, YOU KNOW, I LOVE THE PARKING IS THERE IS CITED, AND YET THEY'RE RIGHT NEXT TO A TRANSIT STATION AND THEY CAN USE MAYBE 2097, UM, TO ELIMINATE THAT. UM, IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S FRUSTRATING FOR ME 'CAUSE I TALK TO THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE RIGHT THERE AND THEY, YOU KNOW, NEED THAT, THAT STUFF, YOU KNOW, GRAND CENTRAL NEEDS PEOPLE THERE. UM, AND I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT WE CAN DO, AND THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING WHAT SANTA ROSA'S DOING, BECAUSE WE'RE SEEING THINGS POP UP IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY, BUT, UM, IN OUR DOWNTOWN, THE PLACE WHERE WE WANT TO SEE VIBRANCY IN, IN INVESTMENT, WE'RE JUST NOT SEEING IT. AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST, UH, WONDERING, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE DOING TO, UM, TO MAKE THOSE THINGS COME TO LIFE BECAUSE THERE ARE CITIES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR THE REST OF THE COUNCIL, IT MAY FEEL IMPOSSIBLE TO, TO SEE RENTS COME DOWN. RENTS IN BERKELEY RIGHT NOW ARE AT 2018 LEVELS AND THEY'RE, THAT'S A GOOD THING, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE WANT TO SEE RENTS COMING DOWN. , I MEAN, FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE RENTING, I MEAN, WE HEAR CONSTANTLY PEOPLE BE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T AFFORD THAT RENT. WELL THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S SUPPLY AND DEMAND. UM, AND WE CAN, IF WE WANT, WE CAN GET OUT OF, UH, THIS SITUATION AND WE CAN, UM, CREATE OPPORTUNITY. UM, WE GOTTA BUILD. AND SO, UM, WHEN I THINK ABOUT THE THINGS SANTA ROSA HAS DONE WITH IMPACT FEES, AND YOU KNOW, HEARING THAT YOU HAVE THAT EXPERIENCE AND NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THAT AND ALL THE INVESTMENT COMING IN AND, AND AROUND THEIR DOWNTOWN CORE, UM, I CERTAINLY WANT TO BE BRINGING THAT EXPERIENCE TO PETALUMA SO [06:05:01] THAT WE CAN, UM, SEE IT TOO. OUR CURRENT GENERAL PLAN, RIGHT? BUILD OUT THIS YEAR 72,000 PEOPLE OR 20% BELOW IN OUR TAX BASE. IF WE WANNA KNOW WHY OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, WE CAN'T SUPPORT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, IT'S 'CAUSE OUR TAX BASE IS 20% LOWER THAN WHAT WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE, WHAT YOU THOUGHT IT WOULD BE WHEN YOU ADOPTED THE CURRENT GENERAL PLAN, RIGHT? AND YET OUR ARENA NUMBERS CALL FOR US TO GROW 4,800 PEOPLE BY 2030. SO WE'RE STILL GONNA BE SIGNIFICANTLY BELOW WHERE WE THOUGHT WE'D BE IN 2025. WE CAN'T PAY FOR OUR INFRASTRUCTURE. I'M JUST WONDERING, YOU KNOW, LIKE, I APPRECIATE THE FOCUS ON RENA AND, AND OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A, YOU KNOW, A STAMPS SEND IT TO THE STATE. BUT LIKE, IS THAT DELIVERING THE CITY THAT OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR COMMUNITY WANTS? IS IT ALLOWING US TO CONTINUE PAYING IN PUBLIC SAFETY? WE JUST CAME OUT THE BUDGET MEETING, WE'VE GOTTA GROW OUR TAX BASE. AND SO I GUESS, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT LAND USE, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT POLICIES, LIKE I WANNA DO THINGS THAT HELP US HAVE A, A REALLY VIBRANT, THRIVING CITY AND I'M JUST, UM, I DON'T THINK FOCUSING ON RENA IS GONNA DO THAT. SO, UM, OBVIOUSLY I'M GONNA SUPPORT THIS, BUT THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS. OKAY. SO IS THERE A MOTION? IS THERE A MOTION? AND SO, SO MOVED. WE HAVE A MOTION BY BARN ON A SECOND BY SHRUBS. YES. SECOND AND A ROLL CALL. VOTE PLEASE. BARNACLE. HI DI CARLY? YES. NOW? YES. SCH SHRIMPS? YES. QUINT? YES. MCDONALD? YES. MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. WONDERFUL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH EVERYBODY. GOOD MEETING. THANK YOU FOR STAYING TILL TOMORROW. AND WITH THAT, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. SO WE JUST GO SLEEP AT OUR DESK. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.