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[CALL TO ORDER]
OKAY.YOU CAN PUSH IT A LITTLE CLOSER.
IS THAT NOT WORKING? I'LL, I'LL SWITCH IT.
UM, FRED TAR, ERIC, HELEN HEAL.
I COULD HAND THAT BACK AND FORTH.
ALDEN, I THINK YOU ALREADY CALLED ME ONCE.
AND THEN FRANK QUINT IS NOT HERE.
UH, WE ARE MOVING ON TO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON ITEMS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THAT ARE WITHIN THE COMMITTEE'S SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION AND THAT ARE NOT LISTED ON THE CURRENT AGENDA.
PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED UP TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON.
DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF PERSONS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMITTEE.
TIME WILL BE ALLOCATED IN EQUAL SHARES TOTAL, NO MORE THAN 20 MINUTES SUBJECT TO THE COUNCIL'S DISCRETION.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC IN THE ROOM RIGHT NOW, BUT IF THEY WERE HERE, I WOULD INVITE THEM TO BRING THEIR, UM, CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK.
JOCELYN, HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING? WE HAVE NOT.
ALRIGHT, THEN I AM CLOSING PUBLIC COMMENT AND CONTINUING WITH THE AGENDA.
SO MOVING ON TO OUR PRESENTATIONS.
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
BE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR APRIL 15TH, 2025 MEETING.ARE THERE ANY CHANGES TO THE MEETING MINUTES? UH, GOOD EVENING.
MEMBERS OF THE TAC, JARED HALL TRANSIT MANAGER.
SO WE ACTUALLY ADD A TECHNICAL ITEM WITH THE MINUTES FOR THE APRIL MEETING, UH, MADAM CHAIR.
SO WE WON'T BE REVIEWING THOSE TONIGHT.
WE'LL BRING THEM FORWARD AT THE NEXT MEETING WHEN WE'LL REVIEW AND APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR THE APRIL MEETING AND FOR TODAY'S MEETING.
[PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION]
ALL INTO THE FIRST ITEM OR THE SECOND ITEM, WHICH IS DISCUSSION AND RECOMMENDATION OF A RESOLUTION ADOPTING THE 2025 DISADVANTAGED BUSINESS ENTERPRISE OR DBE PROGRAM AND THE GOAL FOR PETALUMA TRANSIT.SO JARED, WILL YOU BE PRESENTING, UH, FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? ACTUALLY, I BELIEVE KAMI WILL BE, UH, DOING THAT FOR US TONIGHT.
UM, SO FOR THE DBE, THIS IS A, UM, AN ANNUAL REQUIREMENT TO UPDATE OUR GOAL BASED UPON OUR PLANNED PRIORITIES.
UM, BUT FOR OUR ACTUAL PROGRAM, WE'RE REQUIRED TO UPDATE IT EVERY THREE YEARS.
UH, THE LAST ONE IS DUE SOON, BUT WE DECIDED TO DO IT EARLY BECAUSE THE FDA JUST UPDATED ITS GUIDANCE AND IT ISSUED WHAT'S CALLED THE FINAL RULE.
AND IT ACTUALLY BROKE OUT THE DBE REQUIREMENTS INTO TWO TIERS BASED UPON FTA FUNDING.
SO TIER ONE FUNDING RECEIVES OVER A CERTAIN AMOUNT, UM, TIER TWO FUNDING RECEIVES UNDER A CERTAIN AMOUNT, AND TECHNICALLY AT THIS MOMENT, PETALUMA IS CLASSIFIED AS A TIER TWO RECIPIENT, BUT WE DECIDED TO GO AHEAD WITH THE GUIDANCE OF A TIER ONE RECIPIENT SHOULD WE EVER RECEIVE ENOUGH OR SHOULD WE EVER RECEIVE THE AMOUNT OF FTA FUNDING SO THAT WAY WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO REDO AND CHANGE THE PLAN.
ESSENTIALLY THE TIER TWO RECIPIENT PLAN BASICALLY STATES WRITE IT BUT DON'T SUBMIT IT.
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SO WE'RE PLANNING TO WRITE IT AND SUBMIT IT AS IF WE'RE A TIER ONE.
SO THAT WAY SHOULD WE RECEIVE MORE OR LESS FEDERAL FUNDING WILL BE PREPARED.
UM, THE GUIDANCE OF OUR PREVIOUS DBE PROGRAM IS VERY SIMILAR TO OUR PAST DBE PRO, EXCUSE ME, OUR CURRENT ONE THAT WE ARE SUBMITTING RIGHT NOW, UM, IN THE SENSE THAT WE ENCOURAGE, UM, PARTICIPATION OF WHAT'S CLASSIFIED AS A DISADVANTAGED BUSINESS ENTERPRISE.
DISADVANTAGED BUSINESS ENTERPRISES ARE DEFINED BY THE FTA AS EITHER OWNED, UM, BY, UM, UH, INDIVIDUALS OF COLOR OR WOMEN.
UM, AND SO THAT'S TECHNICALLY THE CLASSIFICATION.
UH, IN ORDER FOR A DBE TO BE CONSIDERED A DBE, IT GOES THROUGH AN ENTIRE REGISTRATION PROCESS.
THE CITY OF PETALUMA, WE USE, UH, CALTRANS AS RESOURCES AND THEY DO THE REGISTRATION PROCESS FOR US AND DO ALL THE CLASSIFICATION.
UM, AND THEN WE JUST REQUEST CERTIFICATION.
UM, THE MAIN UPDATE TO THE PLAN WAS MA BASICALLY LOOKING AT ALL OF OUR DBE GOALS, UM, AND CALCULATING HOW MUCH WE SHOULD SET OUR GOAL FOR.
SO PREVIOUSLY I BELIEVE THE GOAL WAS SET FOR SIX SOMETHING.
UM, AND THIS YEAR WHEN WE DID THE ACTUAL MATH, IT WAS ESSENTIALLY ZERO, BUT WE DECIDED TO ROUND UP
UM, AND THEREFORE WE WANTED TO AT LEAST STRIVE TO MORE THAN A 0% GOAL.
UM, BUT THE GOAL IS ESSENTIALLY CALCULATED BY THE TYPES OF PROJECTS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
UM, AND THEN RESEARCHING HOW MANY, UM, CLA REGISTERED DBES ARE IN THE AREA, UM, PER PROJECT.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE TRANSIT FACILITY, ELECTRIFICATION FOR A BATTERY ELECTRIC BUSES, WE LOOKED AT ELECTRICIANS IN THE AREA AND DETERMINED HOW MANY OF THEM ARE REGISTERED AS DBES, CALCULATED THAT PERCENTAGE.
UM, AND THEN BASED UPON ALL OF THAT FACTORED IN THE AVERAGE RATIO OF DBES PER PROJECT, UM, AND THEN THE AMOUNT OF FUNDING THAT WE'RE PLANNING TO PUT TOWARDS THAT TO WEIGHT IT, RIGHT, BECAUSE IF ELECTRIFICATION HAS ONLY TWO OR THREE REGISTERED DBES IN THE AREA, BUT THAT'S THE MAJORITY OF WHERE OUR FUNDS IS GOING TOWARDS MAYBE A SMALLER PROJECT, UM, WHERE THERE'S A LOT MORE, LIKE IT DOES CARRY A LITTLE BIT MORE WEIGHT.
UM, SO BA BASED UPON THAT, OUR AVERAGE ENDED UP BEING ZERO BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF THE DBES IN THE LAST FEW YEARS HAS EITHER DWINDLED OR OTHER BUSINESSES HAVE GROWN EXPONENTIALLY.
AND SO THE SHIFT IN OUR, UM, AVERAGE AMOUNT OF DBE LIKE PER UH, DBE GOAL IS DUE TO A VARIETY OF FACTORS SUCH AS A SHIFT IN OUR PRIORITIES BECAUSE WHEN THIS WAS ORIGINALLY WRITTEN, IT WAS, UM, FOR LIKE THE TRANSIT ROOF, SO LIKE ROOFING AND THAT TYPE OF, UM, GOAL.
WHEREAS THIS YEAR IT WAS REALLY FOCUSED ON OUR ELECTRIFICATION PROCESSES.
UM, AND SO THAT CHANGED A LITTLE BIT, BUT THEN ALSO WHEN COMPARING PREVIOUS, UM, REPORTED DBES IN THAT SPECIFIC JOB TYPE, UM, I DID NOTICE A DECREASE IN AS WELL IN THOSE, UM, UH, NUMBERS.
SO THAT'S KIND OF PART OF THE REASON IN OUR SHIFT OF THE GOAL.
UM, BUT PETALUMA TRANSIT ALSO RECOGNIZES THE VALUE AND IMPORTANCE OF PARTNERING WITH DBES AND TRYING TO ENCOURAGE PARTICIPATION, WHICH IS WHY WE WANTED TO AT LEAST FACTOR IN A LITTLE BIT, BUT THEN ALSO NOT, NOT SET OURSELVES UP FOR SUCCESS TOO BY SIGN.
OUR GOAL IS GONNA BE 10% WHEN IN REALITY THE FIELD DOESN'T REPRESENT THAT.
SO THAT IS KIND OF THE, UM, PROCESS OF DETERMINING THE GOAL AND THEN, UH, THE, UH, THE PLAN KIND OF OUTLAYS HOW WE DO THAT.
SO IN THE SENSE OF, UM, IF WE NEED TO BREAK UP CONTRACTS IN ORDER TO OFFER TO A VARIETY OF BUSINESSES, THAT'S PART OF IT.
UM, THE PLAN ALSO OUTLINES, YOU KNOW, HOW WE WILL HOLD OUR VENDORS ACCOUNTABLE AS WELL.
SO, UM, FOR OUR OPERATIONS CONTRACT, MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE COMPLIANT WITH OUR DBE REQUIREMENTS, UM, THAT THEY'RE SUBMITTING ALL TYPE OF, UH, DOCUMENTS TO RECORD THEIR, UM, YOU KNOW, THEIR BID PROCESS, UM, THEIR EFFORTS TO, YOU KNOW, MEET DBE REQUIREMENTS AND ALL OF THAT.
SO THAT, UH, THE DOCUMENT LAYS THAT OUT.
AND IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO OUR PAST DOCUMENT WITH JUST SOME MINOR UPDATES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MATCHING, UM, WHERE WE'RE AT NOW COMPARED TO WHERE WE'RE AT THREE YEARS AGO.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANNA ADD? NO, I THINK WE COVERED IT.
DO I NEED TO ASK, OH, DO I NEED TO ASK AGAIN IF WE'VE RECEIVED COMMENTS ON EACH ITEM OR IF WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY COMMENTS AT ALL? SO GENERALLY WHAT I WOULD SAY WE DO IS, UH, LOOK FOR QUESTIONS AND ACTS ON THE COUNCIL.
AND THEN AFTER THAT, PUBLIC COMMENTS GENERALLY, I CAN SAY FOR ALL ITEMS TONIGHT, WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY COMMENT IN ADVANCE.
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DOES ANYONE ON THE COMMITTEE HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? START WITH YOU, DAVE.I WOULD JUST ASK, UM, TO DEFINE THE 0.66%
SO, UM, OUR BIGGEST ONE WAS OUR OPERATIONS CONTRACT FOR OUR TRANSIT AND PARATRANSIT OPERATIONS.
UM, BUT THEN WE ALSO HAVE, YOU KNOW, FACILITY, UM, PROJECTS AS WELL.
AND SO FROM THAT WE CALCULATE, OKAY, OF THESE THREE PROJECTS OF ALL OF OUR FEDERAL FUNDING, 75% IS BEING USED TOWARDS OUR OPERATIONS CONTRACT, THIS AND THAT.
STEP TWO IS THE DETERMINING OF THOSE TYPES OF PROJECTS.
HOW MANY BUSINESSES FOR THAT, UH, LABOR CATEGORY HAVE A REGISTERED DBE.
UM, SO IT'S AVAILABLE, TOTAL AVAILABLE BUSINESSES IN ONE CATEGORY, AND THEN, UM, AVAILABLE DBES AND THEN CALCULATING THE PERCENTAGE OF DBES OUT OF THE TOTAL.
UM, AND THEN AFTER THAT IT'S FACTORING IN THE PERCENTAGE OF DBES TIMES THE PERCENTAGE OF, UM, OF THAT PROJECT.
AND SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW IT FACTORS INTO BEING THE, UM, 0.06, WHICH THEN GETS TO, SORRY, I'M TRYING TO LOOK AT THE GOLD TO MAKE SURE I HAVE THE NUMBERS CORRECTLY.
UM, SO WHEN I DID ALL THAT MATH, IT ENDED UP BEING 0.06 AND I WAS LIKE, THAT'S A VERY LOW NUMBER
UM, AND SO WE CONFERRED AND DECIDED TO RAISE THE GOAL A LITTLE BIT TO 0.6 TO AT LEAST TRY TO FACTOR IN, LIKE TO STRIVE TOWARDS, UM, MORE DPE PARTICIPATION WITHOUT SAYING LIKE, WE'RE GOING TO AIM FOR A HIGHER NUMBER AND SET OURSELVES UP FOR POTENTIAL FAILURE WHEN THE DATA IS SHOWING US THAT SOME OF THESE TYPES OF LABOR CATEGORIES MIGHT NOT EVEN HAVE A REGISTERED DBE OR, UM, MAY NOT HAVE THE AVAILABILITY TO HAVE A VARIETY OF REGISTERED DBES IN THE AREA.
AND SO THAT'S KIND OF THE MATH FACTORING INTO THE OVERALL PERCENTAGE.
WELL, I THOUGHT YOUR REPORT WAS FAIRLY CLEAR WITH THAT.
BUT, BUT THE OTHER THING THAT COMES UP IS WHAT IS THE TERRITORY? I KNOW YOU HAVE THE YEAH.
YOU HAVE JUST THE NORTH BAY COUNTIES.
WHAT DO YOU HAVE? WHAT DO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT? YEAH, YOU HAVE, YEAH, SO WE HAVE, UH, THE FOLLOWING COUNTIES.
SO I'M SPECIFYING THAT THE COUNTIES, SO ALAMEDA, COSTA CONTRA, COSTA MARIN, SAN FRANCISCO, SAN MATEO, AND SONOMA COUNTY.
SO, UM, IT'S WHAT'S CALLED THE, UH, SAN FRANCISCO OAKLAND, HAYWARD, CALIFORNIA METRO METROPOLITAN STATISTICAL AREA'S WHERE YOU GET MOST OF YOUR INFORMATION.
AND I WOULD ADD A LOT OF IT DEPENDS ON THE CATEGORY TOO.
SOME CATEGORIES, A LOT OF CATEGORIES HAVE ZERO TBE BUSINESSES, IF THAT'S THINGS LIKE ELECTRICAL INSTALLATION WORK, THAT COULD BE A CATEGORY, CONCRETE WORK.
AND THEN SOME CATEGORIES HAVE 10 DBES IN THEM.
SO A LOT OF IT DEPENDS ON THE PROJECTS YOU'RE DOING, WHAT YOU ANTICIPATE THAT REALLY KIND OF INFORMS THIS MATHEMATICAL FORMULA THAT CAM WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT SPITS OUT THE PERCENT AT THE END.
TO ME, THAT SEEMS A, IS A LITTLE DISAPPOINTING.
I'M JUST, BECAUSE I THOUGHT YEARS IN THE PAST THERE WAS MORE COMPETITION THAN ALL OF THIS, BUT I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER FOR THAT.
BUT, AND THAT IS A TREND THAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE BAY AREA.
SO I AM, UH, NOW PART OF THE BUSINESS OUTREACH COMMITTEE, IT'S HEADED BY GOLDEN GATE, UM, TRANSIT.
AND SO IT'S A LOT OF TRANSIT AGENCIES IN THE AREA SPECIFICALLY WORKING ON DBE OR CONTRACTS.
UM, AND A LOT OF THEM WERE SUBMITTING 0.0%, UM, AS THEIR DBE GOAL JUST BECAUSE OF TRENDS THAT THEY'VE NOTICED IN THE AREA.
UM, SOME OF THEM THAT ARE HUGE AGENCIES THAT ARE DOING A VARIETY OF WORK, THERE'S ARE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE, UM, MORE LABOR CATEGORIES THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO PULL FROM IN ORDER TO CALCULATE THAT PERCENTAGE.
UM, BUT I, I NOTICED THAT, UH, THERE WERE NOT JUST TWO AGENCIES SUBMITTING 0%, UM, FOR THIS YEAR'S ROUND.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COMMITTEE DOES ACTUALLY IS IT GOES OUT IN THE COMMUNITY AND TRIES TO MARKET THIS TYPE OF PROGRAM, DBES TO TRY TO ATTRACT BUSINESSES SO THEY'RE AWARE OF IT.
AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS IS WE'RE NOW SERVING ON THAT COMMITTEE.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE GOALS AND THE EFFORTS THEY DO, IS TO TRY TO IDENTIFY THESE BUSINESSES TO BRING MORE IN THE FOLD.
YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, FORCE THEM.
YOU CAN'T CREATE, BUSINESSES DON'T EXIST MM-HMM
BUT YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE THEM AWARE SO THEY HAVE EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO SEE IT AND
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PARTICIPATE.I DID DID NOTICE IN THE REPORT THAT THERE ARE SOME AREAS WHERE THEY'RE ACTUALLY TRYING TO EDUCATE, DO SOME EDUCATION IN THESE FIELDS.
AND THAT WAS DONE AGAIN 20 YEARS AGO.
MAYBE IT'S JUST BEEN SLOW, SLOW, VERY SLOW MOVEMENT.
BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPORT.
I WAS DESPERATELY TRYING TO FIND NEW STUDIES.
ANY MORE COMMENTS, UM, COMING DOWN THE ROAD? YEAH, I MEAN I, I HAD THE SAME KIND OF FEELING AS FRED DID ABOUT, IT'S A LITTLE DISAPPOINTING.
UM, AND I NOTICED THAT SAN FRANCISCO INCLUDES LA COUNTY AS PART OF THEIR, UM, AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT IT SEEMS LIKE, UM, CATCHMENT AREA IF YOU WILL.
I GUESS, UM, I ASSUME THAT IT'S 'CAUSE THEY HAVE LARGER CONTRACTS AND MAYBE THEY'RE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE WHO WOULD FIND THAT IT'S WORTH IT TO COME TO SAN FRANCISCO FROM LA COUNTY.
UM, I DON'T KNOW, DID I READ THAT WRONG? NO.
UM, YEAH, SO I DON'T KNOW NECESSARILY HOW EACH OF THE INDIVIDUAL AGENCIES HAVE PULLED FROM THE COUNTIES.
UM, I JUST KNOW THAT SOME OF THE, FOR US, YOU KNOW, WE OPERATE VERY, VERY REGIONALLY.
SO, UM, WE'VE HAD TO PULL FROM OUR MARKET AREA FOR A LOT OF THESE.
HELEN, DO YOU HAVE COMMENTS? NO, NO, THAT'S NONE FOR ME EITHER.
I WAS INFERRING THAT OUR PERCENTAGE WAS JUST FOR OUR DIRECT EXPENDITURES AND WOULD NOT INCLUDE.
SO IT WAS LIKE, IT, IT WOULD, YOU CALCULATED LIKE HOW MANY DBE UM, TRANSIT CONTRACTORS WERE OUT THERE AVAILABLE FOR US TO INCLUDE IN OUR BID, YOU KNOW, AS A, BUT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE MONEY ONCE THE CONTRACTOR GETS IT, OTHER THAN YOU WERE SAYING WE WERE ASKING THEM TO MEET OUR GOAL.
AND THAT SEEMS A LITTLE DICEY TO ME WITH OUR VERY LOW GOAL, EVEN THOUGH IT'S MUCH HIGHER THAN ZERO
UM, BUT IT'S SETTING, BECAUSE I'M JUST WONDERING IF PERHAPS, SINCE IT SEEMS TO ME A HUGE PART OF OUR BUDGET IS WITH OUR TRANSIT CONTRACTOR AND THEY MAY HAVE ACCESS TO MORE DBE TYPE, YOU KNOW, RESOURCES THAN WE DO, SORRY FOR OUR OTHER PROJECTS.
AND SO ASKING THEM TO MEET OUR VERY LOW, THOUGH MUCH BETTER THAN ZERO GOAL IS TOO LOW A GOAL FOR THEM AND THEY SHOULD BE DOING THEIR, DON'T THEY NEED TO DO THEIR OWN FILING AND SHOULDN'T WE BE ASKING THEM TO MEET THEIR OWN GOAL? I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW THE PROCESS FOR PRIVATE AGENCIES IF THEY'RE REQUIRED TO, SINCE THEY'RE NOT RECEIVING FTA FUNDS.
UM, SO THIS IS SPECIFIC, IN ORDER TO RECEIVE FTA FUNDS, WE HAVE TO HAVE A GOAL.
UM, HOWEVER, WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR HOLDING THEM ACCOUNTABLE TO, UM, MEETING OUR GOAL OR REPORTING HOW MUCH.
SO IF THEY'RE EXCEEDING OUR GOAL, FANTASTIC.
UM, HOWEVER, UM, WE DO HAVE FORMS FOR THEM TO COMPLETE.
UM, AND THERE, IT, IT IS PART OF THE PLAN TO REGULARLY CHECK.
SO AS THEY MAKE MORE PURCHASES TO, I KNOW THAT THAT IS PART OF THE PLAN.
BUT I WAS JUST THINKING THAT OUR GOAL MIGHT BE LOW FOR WHAT THEIR VENDOR SUPPLY.
AND I WOULD SAY TO ADD ON A FEW WORDS, THERE'S KIND OF A FEW EXCEPTIONS, A FEW THINGS THAT ARE DIFFERENT WHEN YOU BUY A BUS THAT'S ACTUALLY APPLIED UPFRONT TO THE BUS MANUFACTURERS.
SO THEY DO THAT AHEAD OF TIME, BUT GENERALLY IT'S NOT IMPOSED ON THE PRIVATE ENTITY.
IT'S ON THE PUBLICLY, PUBLICLY FUNDED AGENCY IN OUR CASE, TO DO THAT REQUIREMENTS.
NOW WITH A LOT OF BIDS AND A LOT OF CONTRACTS, THE CONTRACTOR HAS EXPERIENCE WITH IT.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR TRANSIT OPERATION, RFP, WHICH YOU WILL IN THE MINUTE, SOMEONE LIKE MB TRANSPORTATION, MOST OF THE BIDS, IF NOT ALL OF 'EM, THEY SEE FOR LIKE PUBLIC TRANSIT AGENCIES HAVE THESE TYPE OF REQUIREMENTS.
SO THEY HAVE DEDICATED STAFF JUST TO DBE WORK AND THEY HAVE EXISTING NETWORKS AND METHODS FOR FINDING THESE VENDORS AND THEY CAN ALWAYS EXCEED THAT GOAL.
THAT GOAL IS SOMETHING THAT WE STATE, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GETTING SOME ELEMENT OF THAT IN THERE.
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COME BACK AND EXCEED THAT THEY WANT.AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ALSO TRY TO ACCOUNT FOR.
SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, RFPS AND SCORING PROPOSALS LIKE WITH THE TRANSIT OPERATIONS, THAT'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING WE SCORE TO SHOW THAT WE VALUE IT EVEN BEFORE THAT GOAL.
SO IF SOMEONE REALLY EXCEEDS THAT MINIMUM REQUIREMENT GOES BEYOND THE GOAL, WE WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, RECOGNIZE IT, AND GIVE THEM THAT KIND OF STEP UP SINCE THEY'RE GOING BEYOND WHAT THE REQUIREMENT WOULD BE REALLY.
AND I THINK, UM, COMMITTEE MEMBER ALDEN HAS A COMMENT THAT I'M SURE
ACTUALLY A COMMENT AND A QUESTION.
UM, HAVING GONE THROUGH THE MV PROPOSAL, I DID NOTICE THAT THEY HAD PERHAPS 200 PAGES OF OUTREACH TO POTENTIAL DBES.
I CAN'T SAY I SPOTTED EVERY DBE CONTRACT THEY MAY HAVE COMMITTED TO, BUT I REMEMBER FOR SURE THAT THEY WERE GONNA BE BUYING UNIFORMS FROM A COMPANY IN FULLERTON.
I MEAN THERE IS A LOT OF DOCUMENTATION THERE FOR THOSE WHO MAY NOT HAVE SEEN THE, UH, THE PROPOSAL FROM, FROM MV.
SO, AND THEN MY QUESTION IS, IF I UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY, OUR CALCULATION CAME OUT TO 0.06, WHICH WE COULD HAVE ROUNDED TO ZERO, BUT INSTEAD WE MADE IT 0.66, WHICH SEEMS WEIRDLY ARBITRARY.
IS THERE ANY LOGIC BEHIND JUST ADDING ANOTHER SIX IN THERE? YEAH, SO THE 0.06 IS THE WEIGHTED AVERAGE.
UM, AND THE WEIGHTED AVERAGE IS CALCULATED BY, UM, CALCULATING THE PERCENTAGE OF DBES, UM, BY CATEGORY AND THEN THE PERCENTAGE OF FUNDING WE HAVE BY THAT CATEGORY.
AND SO OUR RFP FOR OPERATIONS, MOST OF THE, UH, FTA FUNDING IS GOING TOWARDS THAT CATEGORY.
THE 0.66 WAS CALCULATED BEFORE IT WAS WEIGHTED.
UM, AND SO THAT WAS JUST THE TOTAL OF ALL THE CATEGORIES.
UM, BUT BECAUSE, UM, THE RF OR NOT THE RFP ONE OF THE CATEGORIES IS CALLED SERVICES FOR THE ELDERLY AND DISABLED.
THERE'S NO AVAILABLE DBES IN THE AREA.
UM, AND SO THAT BROUGHT DOWN THE WEIGHTED AVERAGE, UM, BECAUSE THAT'S CONSIDERED 75% OF OUR, OUR PLAN PROGRAMMED FUNDS FOR THE YEAR.
UM, SO LOOKING AT THAT, IT WASN'T, I DIDN'T WANNA DO AN ARBITRARY, SO THAT'S WHY 0.66 WAS I, I JUST WANNA KNOW WHERE THAT 6 6 6 CAME FROM.
AND I WAS JUST GONNA ADD A, A QUICK COMMENT JUST SO YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR BUS SCHEDULES ARE PRINTED BY A DBE BUSINESS.
UM, AND DBES ARE TRICKY BECAUSE IT'S A LONG PROCESS TO GET CERTIFIED AS A DBE.
SO ALTHOUGH THERE ARE MANY BUSINESS OWNERS THAT DO FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S WORTH IT FOR THEM TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
'CAUSE I'VE HAD THE SAME ISSUE AT OTHER AGENCIES WHERE I'M LIKE, COME ON, WE GOTTA HAVE THESE, BUT IT'S STILL GREAT TO HAVE THIS GOAL BECAUSE YOU'VE, WE CAN STILL LOOK FOR THAT AND CONSTANTLY PURSUE IT.
AND THEN AS KAMI MENTIONED, BE ON THESE BOARDS TO SAY, HEY BUSINESSES, IT'S IN YOUR BEST INTEREST TO BECOME A DBE AND HOPE TO SHOW AND SHEPHERD THEM THROUGH THIS PROCESS AS WELL.
SO THAT'S PART OF THE WORK KAE IS DOING, BUT UM, THE, THE, THE DROP IS SOMETHING WE'RE SEEING ACROSS THE BOARD IN TRANSIT AGENCIES OF DBES, WHICH I'M SURE YOU'VE ENCOUNTERED AS WELL.
SO, BUT WE'RE DOING OUR BEST
SO I BELIEVE WE'RE LOOKING FOR AN ACTION WITH THIS.
AND I DON'T KNOW THE APPROPRIATE LANGUAGE IN COUNCIL LANGUAGE.
SO I THINK WE'RE LOOKING FOR A, ARE YOU LOOKING POSSIBLE RECOMMENDATION TO BRING THIS FORTH TO COUNCIL TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION? THANK YOU.
I WILL MAKE THAT MOTION, UH, RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPT THE 2025 DISADVANTAGED BUSINESS ENTERPRISE PROGRAM AND GOAL FOR PET OF TRANSIT.
AND FINDING THIS ITEM IS EXEMPT FROM CQA PURSUANT TO SQA GUIDELINES SECTION SUCH AND SUCH, SUCH AND SUCH.
AND, AND I'LL SECOND YOU LOOK PUZZLED GAIL ISN'T OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT THE TRANSIT DEPARTMENT TAKE IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL WITH THEIR, BUT WE'RE NOT DIRECTLY RECOMMENDING TO THE CITY THAT THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED.
OH, I TRY IT AGAIN? NO, THAT'S RIGHT.
UM, WILL YOU UH, CALL ROLL FOR THE VOTE PLEASE? JOCELYN? IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND.
OH, WILL YOU SECOND ERIC? YES.
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ITEM THREE ON THE AGENDA IS THE RECOMMENDATION TO AWARD A CONTRACT TO MV TRANSPORTATION INCORPORATED FOR OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE OF THE PETALUMA TRANSIT SERVICES.SO JARED, UM, ARE YOU PRESENTING THIS ITEM FOR US PLEASE? YES, I AM.
SO WE'RE EXCITED TO BRING THIS ITEM BEFORE YOU.
I KNOW WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR A FEW MONTHS.
UH, THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST CONSEQUENTIAL ITEMS AMONGST MANY TO OUR AGENCY BECAUSE IT REFLECTS THE OPERATIONS CONTRACT THAT REPRESENTS THE MAJORITY OF OUR LABOR FORCE.
SO AS MANY PEOPLE KNOW, WE'VE BEEN CONTRACTING FOR THIS SERVICE SINCE THE 1970S AND FOR A LOT OF THAT TIME WE'VE HAD A RELATIONSHIP WITH MV TRANSPORTATION.
WE'VE ACTUALLY, UH, BEEN ONE OF THEIR LONGEST SERVING CUSTOMERS.
THEY'VE, UH, PROVIDED THE FIXED DROUGHT SERVICE FOR PETALUMA TRANSIT SINCE 2000 AND PARATRANSIT SERVICE SINCE 2011.
AND OF COURSE THEY OPERATE OUR MICRO TRANSITS SERVICE, UM, ET CETERA.
OUR CURRENT CONTRACT HAS BEEN A SEVEN YEAR CONTRACT, OF WHICH WE ARE NOW IN THE FINAL YEAR.
SO THAT RUNS IN FY 18 THROUGH FY 25.
SO THAT RUNS THROUGH THE END OF JUNE.
SO WHAT WE DID IS SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, WE AS STAFF GOT TOGETHER WITH SEVERAL MEMBERS OF, UM, THIS UM, COMMITTEE.
SO THANK YOU CHAIR ABRAMS AND THANK YOU COMMITTEE MEMBER ALDEN FOR SERVING ON THAT CAPACITY.
AND WHAT WE DID IS WE CREATED A PROCESS FOR REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS FOR A CONTRACT THAT WOULD RUN EIGHT YEARS, WHICH WOULD BE FY 26 THROUGH FY 33.
AND THAT WOULD BE A BASE CONTRACT OF FIVE YEARS THROUGH FY 30, AND THEN A ONETIME THREE YEAR OPTION OF FY 31 THROUGH 33.
AND WE ISSUED THIS RFP SEVERAL MONTHS BACK.
WE INITIALLY MET AS A COMMITTEE ON FEBRUARY 10TH TO REVIEW THE UM, RFP THAT WE'RE PUTTING TOGETHER, TALK THROUGH THE PROCESS A BIT WITH THAT SELECTION COMMITTEE, TALK THROUGH THE GOALS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, MAKE SURE EVERYONE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THAT RFP BEFORE WE ISSUED IT ON FEBRUARY 18TH.
FROM THEN WE ADD INITIAL PRE-PROPOSAL MEETINGS ON FEBRUARY 27TH WITH THE VENDORS WHEN THEY COULD ATTEND VIRTUALLY OR THEY COULD COME OUT IN PERSON TO SEE THE FACILITY, WHICH IS IMPORTANT IF THEY'D NEVER DONE SO BEFORE.
PROPOSALS WERE DUE ON APRIL 9TH AND THEN THEY WERE SENT AROUND TO THE SELECTION COMMITTEE, WHICH MET ON APRIL 16TH WITH, UH, PRESENTATIONS FROM THE VENDORS ON THE FOLLOWING WEEK.
AND SO BASED ON ALL THAT PROCESS, WE RECEIVED TWO PROPOSALS, ONE OF WHICH WAS FROM THE INCUMBENT MV TRANSPORTATION, AND THE OTHER WAS FROM STORE TRANSIT SYSTEMS. ALTHOUGH WE HAD, I THINK IT WAS FOUR, UH, VENDORS THAT ATTENDED THE IN-PERSON PORTION AND FIVE, I BELIEVE AT THE VIRTUAL, YOU NEVER QUITE KNOW HOW MANY BIDS YOU'RE GONNA GET.
IN THIS CASE WE GOT TWO BIDS, ALTHOUGH WE DID FIND, BASED ON OUR REVIEW THAT THEY WERE COMPETITIVE AND A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN WE WOULD'VE HOPED ON THE ESTIMATES, BUT WITHIN REASON OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING FROM OTHER NEARBY AGENCIES.
AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, WHEN WE ARE DISCUSSING THIS WITH THE SELECTION COMMITTEE IS THE VARIOUS CRITERIA THAT WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT IN SCORING THESE PROPOSALS.
WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT HAS A BALANCE OF DIFFERENT CONSIDERATIONS, GET EVERYONE'S KIND OF INPUT ON THAT.
AND SO THE CRITERIA THAT WE CAME UP WITH IS INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT, BUT BASICALLY WE'RE LOOKING AT PRICING BEING 30% OF THE SCORE EXPERIENCE OF THE VENDOR BEING 25% QUALITY OF THE STAFF THAT THEY PROPOSE BEING 15% UNDERSTANDING OF THE SCOPE OF THE CONTRACT, 15% AND THEN THEIR APPROACH TO IT.
THIS OF COURSE IS AN RFP, SO IT'S A BIT DIFFERENT THAN OTHER PROCUREMENTS WE DO.
IF WE DO SOMETHING LIKE WHAT'S CALLED AN INVITATION FOR BID, YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC PLAN SET, PEOPLE BID ON IT, YOU HAVE A BID OPENING MEETING WHERE YOU OPEN THE PACKETS.
IF EVERYONE FULFILLS THEIR REQUIREMENTS, THE LOWEST BID GETS IT.
THIS IS NOT THAT TYPE OF PROCESS.
SO PRICE IS ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS, BUT THAT'S NOT THE SOLE DETERMINANTS.
UH, SO THOSE WERE THE CRITERIA THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
AND WE HAD THE VENDOR INTERVIEWS, UM, ON THAT ONE DAY.
AND BASED ON THAT WE REQUESTED WHAT'S KNOWN AS BEST AND FINAL OFFERS THAT WERE SUBMITTED A WEEK LATER.
AND WE LOOKED AT THOSE, THERE WASN'T A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN THOSE ITEMS. AND OVERALL, BASED ON THE ENTIRETY OF ALL THAT, THE PROPOSALS, THE INTERVIEWS, WE ADD A CONSENSUS FROM THE SELECTION COMMITTEE AND THAT'S A CONSENSUS THAT WE'RE BRINGING FORTH TONIGHT TO AWARD THE MV TRANSPORTATION.
AND SO IN TERMS OF THE NUMBERS OF WHAT THIS CONTRACT WOULD LOOK LIKE, AGAIN, IT WOULD BE AN EIGHT YEAR CONTRACT FOR 36 AND A HALF MILLION.
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26 THROUGH 30 WOULD BE 21.1 MILLION.AND THEN THE OPTION THREE YEAR PERIOD WOULD BE 15.3 MILLION.
AND THAT'S SOMEWHAT BASED ON ESTIMATES.
THERE'S A FEW DIFFERENT COMPONENTS OF THE PROPOSALS.
THERE'S A FIXED MONTHLY FEE AND THAT INCLUDES THINGS LIKE SALARIES AND SORT OF FIXED COSTS, COMPUTERS, CELL PHONES, THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES.
AND THEN THERE'S A VARIABLE COMPONENT WHICH HAS AN HOURLY RATES AND THE RATES ARE DIFFERENT FOR FIXED ROUTE VERSUS FOR PARATRANSIT.
AND THEN BASED ON HOW MANY HOURS OF SERVICE ARE PROVIDED EVERY MONTH, THOSE FLUCTUATE, YOU MULTIPLY THE RATES BY HOW MANY HOURS PROVIDED AND THAT'S HOW YOU FIGURE OUT THAT.
SO THIS CONTRACT IN THE BILLING IS COM PRO COMPRISED OF BOTH OF THOSE ELEMENTS AND THE FIXED ROUTE FEES DID GO UP, ALTHOUGH THE HOURLY FEE IRONICALLY WENT DOWN BY ABOUT AN HOUR TO WHAT WE'RE PAYING RIGHT NOW IN FY 25 CONTRACTS.
AND SO IN THE CASE OF THESE BIDS, WE FOUND THAT MV TRANSPORTATION WAS BOTH THE HIGHEST SCORING BID OVERALL AND ALSO THE LOWEST COST BID, IT WOULD'VE COST AN ESTIMATED 3.7 MILLION ADDITIONAL IF WE WERE TO GO WITH STORE, WHICH WAS THE ALTERNATIVE BID.
SO OVERALL THAT MADE THE CONSENSUS, UM, I WOULD SAY A BIT EASIER FOR THE GROUP.
BOTH VENDORS I THINK HAD A LOT OF MERITS AND IT WAS OBVIOUS THAT THEY BOTH PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO THEIR PROPOSALS AND I THINK IT WAS REALLY GREAT TO TALK TO AND INTERVIEW BOTH OF THEM BECAUSE DIFFERENT STRENGTHS, WEAKNESSES KIND OF CAME THROUGH.
BUT THAT WAS A CONSENSUS GROUP OVERALL.
SO IN TERMS OF THAT CONTRACT, UH, WHERE THAT WOULD PUT US COMPARED TO THE PRIOR ONE, THE COST WENT UP AND ESTIMATED 16.35%.
AND THAT'S ACTUALLY PRETTY TYPICAL TO WHAT WE'RE SEEING WITH NEARBY AGENCIES.
WE TALK REGULARLY WITH NEARBY AGENCIES AND HAVING OVER 20 THROUGHOUT THE REGION.
IT'S NICE BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS BIDS GOING OUT, BIDS COMING BACK.
YOU CAN KIND OF KEEP YOUR THUMB ON THE MARKET AND SEE WHAT THE PRICE FLUCTUATIONS ARE.
THAT'S IN LINE WITH OTHER ONES WE'VE HEARD.
I KNOW ONE OF THE ONES THAT WAS AWARDED BY ANOTHER AGENCY IN THE EAST BAY WENT UP ABOUT 21 PERCENTS WHEN THEY AWARDED THAT ABOUT THREE, FOUR MONTHS AGO.
I MEAN, THE BIGGEST IS COST INCREASES WE'VE SEEN RECENTLY, UH, GENERAL INFLATION OF PARTS AND MATERIALS, LET ALONE GETTING INTO THE CURRENT SITUATION WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH ALL THE UNCERTAINTY OF ALL THE KIND OF TARIFFS, WAGES HAVE BEEN GOING UP CONSIDERABLY.
AND THEN WE'RE JUST DOING MORE THAN WE EVER HAVE.
I THINK WE HAVE GREAT STAFF, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE SUSTAINABLE STAFFING LEVELS SO THAT PEOPLE GET A CONSISTENT LEVEL OF SERVICE.
PEOPLE MAY RECALL SEVERAL YEARS BACK WHEN WE WERE ONE OF THE LOWER PAYING AGENCIES TRANSIT WISE IN THE REGION, WE HAD A HARD TIME GETTING DRIVERS.
SO YOUR SERVICE IS ONLY AS GOOD AS YOUR ABILITY TO OPERATE IT AND PUT DRIVERS ON THE ROAD.
UH, SO REALLY WHEN WE ADJUSTED THE CONTRACT A FEW YEARS AGO, I THINK THAT LARGELY ADDRESSED THAT ISSUE.
BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CONTINUE TO BE COMPETITIVE WAGE WISE.
AND SO YOU CAN SEE HERE IN THE PROPOSAL RIGHT NOW THE WAGES RANGE FROM 27.84 FOR THE STARTING WAGE TO 31 85 AND FY 25 UNDER THE NEW PROPOSAL THAT GOES UP 28 60 UP TO $33 PER HOUR AND FOR EACH SUBSEQUENT YEAR, ALTHOUGH THERE'S COST INCREASE IN THE CONTRACT AS YOU WOULD EXPECT YEAR OVER YEAR, THERE'S ALSO AN INCREASE IN DRIVER WAGES, UH, OF APPROXIMATELY FOUR TO 5% EACH YEAR.
SO THE GOOD THING IS NOW THAT WE'RE AT A LEVEL THAT'S COMPARABLE TO OTHER NEARBY AGENCIES, THIS CONTRACT SHOULD KEEP US ON THAT LEVEL BOTH WAGE AND BENEFIT WISE.
SO WE CONTINUE TO BE COMPETITIVE.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY WANNA MAINTAIN IS THAT.
AND THEN THERE'S SEVERAL OTHER COMPONENTS, UH, THAT WERE IMPROVEMENTS UNDER THE CONTRACT.
UH, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT OUR PARATRANSIT OPERATING SOFTWARE, SEEING IF WE DO SHIFTS THERE TO A MORE USER-FRIENDLY SYSTEM OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS.
WE ADDED ONE ADDITIONAL POSITION, WHICH IS AN OPERATIONS MANAGER THAT WILL HELP TO MAKE THINGS GO MORE SMOOTHLY.
WE INCREASED ONE OF OUR DISPATCHERS, WE'VE HAD THREE FULL-TIME, ONE HALFTIME DISPATCHERS.
WE BUMPED THAT FOURTH PERSON UP FROM HALFTIME TO FULL-TIME.
SO THERE WAS A FEW IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE ADDED AS WELL AND A FEW CONCESSIONS WE GOT FROM THE VENDOR WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE BEST AND FINAL OFFER PROCESS.
UM, SO IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR THE CONTRACTS, UM, EVERYTHING WOULD BE SQL EXEMPT AS A TRANSIT OPERATION CONTRACT WITH NO CONSTRUCTION.
UM, ALTERNATE IMPACTS OVER THE LIFE OF THE CONTRACT, WE ESTIMATE THAT IT'LL COST 36 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS.
AGAIN, THAT'S A 16.35% INCREASE.
THERE IS A SHORTFALL THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT AS PART OF THE CONTRACT AND THAT'S RESULTING FROM SEVERAL THINGS.
IT'S, UM, DECREASES IN TDA AND STA ENTERPRISE FUNDS REALLY FOR ABOUT 11 QUARTERS.
IT'S THOSE COST INCREASES THAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING AND THE INFLATION THAT
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WE MENTIONED BEFORE, IT'S HAVING TO DO SEVERAL MAJOR BUS REPAIRS AND ENGINE REBUILDS OVER THE PAST YEAR.AND THEN A, UH, FUNDING ERROR ON THE MTC SIDE THAT IMPACTED LOCAL TRANSIT BUS AGENCIES.
AND SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'LL BE LOOKING AT OVER THE LIFE OF THE CONTRACTS.
WE'LL BE TRYING TO GET ADDITIONAL GRANT AND OPERATING FUNDS FROM OTHER SOURCES.
YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING FROM LOCAL ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE COUNTY AND STATES TO HELP COVER THAT COST, UH, THROUGHOUT THE LIFE OF THE CONTRACT.
BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DID WANT TO NOTE AS WELL, SO PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF THAT PART OF THE LARGER DISCUSSION WITH TRANSIT AND FUNDING THAT WE'RE HAVING OVER UPCOMING MONTHS AS WELL.
UH, SO WITH THAT MADAM CHAIR, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
ALRIGHT, SO I'M OPENING THIS, UH, UP TO QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE.
UM, ERIC? YEAH, SO I GUESS IT WAS KIND OF A QUESTION IN A, IN A COMMENT AT THE SAME TIME.
SO I I'M GLAD TO SEE THE 4% INCREASE YEAR OVER YEAR FOR WAGES.
BUT UM, I GUESS JUST FOR CLARITY, DO WE KNOW IF THERE'S MORE THAN IT JUST BEING COMPETITIVE WITH OTHER AGREEMENTS? IS IT KIND OF LIKE AN INFLATIONARY REACTION TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, RISING COST OF GOODS AND PEOPLE'S, YOU KNOW, DAY-TO-DAY LIFE? OR IS IT JUST REALLY BECAUSE THE AGREEMENT WANTS TO STAY COMPETITIVE WITH OTHER ONES? IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH.
IT DEPENDS ON THE ITEMS. SOMETHING LIKE THE DRIVER WAGE, I THINK THAT'S LARGELY DRIVEN BY THE WAGE THAT IT'S PAYING TO TRY TO BE COMPETITIVE AND SUSTAINABLE ON THAT.
BUT A LOT OF THE OTHER COSTS ARE BUILT INTO THINGS LIKE THE FIXED FEE AND SO THOSE OTHER KIND OF COSTS GOING UP LIKE YOUR CELL PHONE SERVICE, UM, UNIFORMS AS WE MENTIONED BEFORE, THAT'S ONE OF THE ELEMENTS IN THIS, THAT'S THE MAIN DBE COMPONENTS THAT MD PROVIDED.
ALTHOUGH THEY DIDN'T MEET THE GOAL, THEY PROVIDE ABOUT 300 PAGES OF DOCUMENTS SHOWING THEIR EFFORTS TO DO SO.
SO A LOT OF THOSE OTHER KIND OF COSTS FOR MATERIAL SUPPLIES, I WOULD SAY THAT'S MORE REFLECTIVE IN THE MONTHLY FIXED FEE.
AND THINGS LIKE THE OVERHEAD, UH, LINE ITEM THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THERE IS WHERE THOSE SHOW UP.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMITTEE MEMBER HELEN? I DO.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, I REALLY WANNA, UH, EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION FOR SUCH A DISTINCT SUMMARY BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS A VERY COMPLICATED PROCESS.
UM, I HAVE, I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS.
ONE IS, UM, GENERAL, BUT I AM, UM, CURIOUS, UM, ABOUT IN A COUPLE OF PLACES WHERE THERE'S UH, THERE ARE, THERE'S ANTICIPATION OF SOME VARIABILITY AND FUNDING AND ALSO, UH, UH, ENHANCEMENT OF SERVICES.
I THINK IT'S ONE OF THE CITY COUNCIL'S GOALS.
IT'S ACTUALLY, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S WORK PLAN ITEM NUMBER 27 THAT YOU'VE LISTED HERE.
UM, SO IT MENTIONS SPECIFICALLY IT MENTIONS EXPANDED SERVICES AND UH, MY CURIOSITY OF COURSE IS UM, IF YOU'RE, I HOPE IT'S NOT AN IF, I HOPE IT'S A WHEN, UM, UM, FOR INSTANCE, UM, PETALUMA, UH, LUGO IS, UH, THAT THAT COVERAGE AREA IS INCREASED, UM, THAT FUNDING WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR THAT.
I DIDN'T, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S MENTIONED SPECIFICALLY IN, IN MORE DETAIL IN THE, IN THE, IN THE BODY OF THE CONTRACT.
UM, SO I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THAT SPECIFICALLY AND IF THERE ARE OTHER FUNDING SOURCES OTHER THAN UM, FDA SOURCES OR UM, THAT COULD BE, UH, BROUGHT TO BEAR ON THAT.
UM, I KNOW YOU'VE MENTIONED SOME FUNDS THAT ARE AVAILABLE, CITY FUNDS THAT ARE AVAILABLE SOMETIMES FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR SPECIAL PROJECTS, BUT UM, UH, I KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT HOPEFULLY AT THE FALL.
UM, BUT I'M JUST WONDERING ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IF THAT IS EXPANDED, THAT'S CON, THAT'S A CON THAT'S GONNA TAKE MORE EQUIPMENT, MORE STAFF, ET CETERA.
SO I'M JUST REALLY CURIOUS ABOUT IF THAT'S FOLDED INTO THIS.
UH, AND IF SO, WHERE AND IF NOT, WHAT, WHAT ARE THE PROSPECTS? SO, YES, UH, LONG ANSWER SHORT, IT'S INCLUDED IN HERE.
THIS CONTRACT PROVIDES FOR MV TRANSPORTATION OPERATING ALL THREE LEVELS OF SERVICE.
SO FIXED ROUTE, PARATRANSIT, LUGO, IT DOES HAVE KIND OF AN HOUR BANDWIDTH.
SO WE STATE THE BASELINE NUMBER OF HOURS THAT THEY'D BE EXPECTED TO PROVIDE UNDER THE CONTRACT AND AS LONG AS THEY PROVIDE 70% UP TO 130, THERE ISN'T LIKE RENEGOTIATIONS OF THE CONTRACT.
WE'RE REALLY HIGH BEYOND THAT, I WOULD SAY WITH LUMA AGO.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WHERE WE'RE STILL ON THE PILOT PROGRAM.
WE ANTICIPATE OVER THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS WE'RE GONNA BRING THAT BACK AND PROVIDE AN UPDATE HERE TO THE COMMITTEE.
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YEAH.AND REALLY TO COUNCIL ABOUT THAT SERVICE AND KIND OF TAKE THE TEMPERATURE OF WHERE WE GO NEXT WITH THAT.
I THINK WE ALL AGREE THAT'S BEEN A VERY SUCCESSFUL PROJECT AND PROGRAM.
WE'VE GOT A LOT OF GREAT RESPONSE TO IT.
I THINK WE'VE REALLY SUCCEEDED THE GOALS OF THAT PROGRAM.
WHETHER THAT'S EVERYTHING LIKE THE RIDERSHIP GOALS AND WE TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT IN THE PACKET, THE RESPONSE AND EVEN DEMAND ON A DAILY BASIS, WE GET REQUESTS FOR THAT SERVICE.
SO I WOULD SAY THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE PLANNING TO DO IS BRING FORTH THAT UPDATE AND COME BACK.
AND I THINK THERE MAY BE A FUNDING, UH, COMPONENT OF THAT AND ASK THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT IS DO WE CONTINUE THE SERVICE BEYOND THE PILOT PROGRAM? BECAUSE MOST OF THE FEEDBACK RESPONSE WE'VE GOTTEN HAS BEEN YES.
AND THEN WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? IS IT STATUS QUO? IS IT AN EXPANSION OF BRINGING THAT EXTRA AREAS? AND THEN SORT OF THE FUNDING IMPLICATIONS THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT.
I THINK ALL THAT'S PART OF THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'LL HAVE AS PART OF THE LARGER TRANSIT BUDGET, I WOULD SAY IN TERMS OF GRANTS AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING TO DO TO OPTIMIZE.
UH, CAMIA AND I, ESPECIALLY ON A DAILY BASIS.
JUST TODAY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LOW NO GRANT FOR ELECTRIC BUSES.
BUT I WOULD SAY IT'S ESPECIALLY HARD ON THE OPERATING SIDE.
A LOT OF THE GRANTS THAT ARE OUT THERE, THEY'RE FOR CAPITAL.
SO IF WE WANNA BUY ELECTRIC BUSES, THERE'S MORE OF THOSE OUT THERE.
IF WE WANNA IMPROVE FACILITIES, THERE'S MORE GRANT FUNDS.
THE HARDEST ONES TO GET ARE THE OPERATING FUNDS TO WHERE IT'S HARDER TO GET GRANTS.
SO ESPECIALLY WITH THOSE TYPE OF FUNDS, WE'RE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR THEM.
LIKE ONE EXAMPLE IS THE UPCOMING STA CALL FOR PROJECTS UNDER GO SONOMA, LIKE THE SECOND ROUND WE'LL BE PUTTING TOGETHER A LIST OF PROJECTS, FIVE FOR THE CITY, FIVE FOR TRANSIT OF WHAT WE WANNA MOVE FORWARD IN THAT, TO POTENTIALLY FUND THOSE PROJECTS FROM FY I THINK IT WAS 27 THROUGH 31.
AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT AND WE'LL BRING THAT BACK BEFORE COUNCIL IN A FEW WEEKS TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THOSE PROJECTS ARE.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE POTENTIALLY INCLUDING IN THAT WOULD BE FUNDING FOR OPERATIONS OF VARIOUS SERVICES, RECOGNIZING HOW HARD IT IS TO FIND GRANTS FOR THAT IN PARTICULAR.
SO I WOULD SAY YEAH, THOSE WERE ALL THE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS OF KIND OF THE ONGOING DISCUSSION OF UH, WHERE WE GO WITH ALL SERVICES, BUT IN PARTICULAR KIND OF THE LET AND GO SERVICE.
UM, I KNOW FUNDING IS HARD TO COME BY AND I'M ALSO CURIOUS ABOUT, UH, I MEAN I THINK WE'RE ALL CURIOUS ABOUT, ABOUT, UM, THE FUTURE OF SOME OF THE, OF THE FUNDING FOR, UH, I, I GUESS I WOULD SAY ESPECIALLY IF FDA FUNDS, UM, WHICH WE CAN'T PREDICT.
UM, I DON'T THINK, BUT ANYWAY, UH, YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT.
I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND IT'S COMPLICATED, BUT I ALSO REALLY DO CARRY, UM, UM, THE HOPE THAT, UH, LUGO WILL BE EXPANDED TO THE EAST SIDE, UM, SO THAT THERE'S MORE ACCESS TO IT AND THAT IT CAN BE USED TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO FIXED ROWS AS WELL.
DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS, UM, COMMITTEE MEMBER PATTY? I DO NOT.
WELL I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU JARED, FOR UM, INCLUDING COMMITTEE MEMBERS IN THE PROCESS.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY EDUCATIONAL AND HELPFUL.
AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION TODAY.
I THINK YOU SUMMARIZED THE WORK SEEMED TO GO ALONG WITH WHAT I EXPERIENCED VERY WELL, SO THANK YOU.
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION, A FUNNY LITTLE SECRETARIAL QUESTION ABOUT THE THIRD PARAGRAPH UNDER DISCUSSION ON THE BOARD'S COMMISSION REPORT.
UM, IT SAYS THE RFP WAS FOR AN EIGHT YEAR PERIOD, WHICH INCLUDES FIVE BASE YEARS, UH, WITH THREE ADDITIONAL ONE YEAR OPTIONS.
BUT YOUR VERBAL PRE PRE YOUR ORAL PRESENTATION SET A CHUNK OF JUST FIVE AND THEN THREE.
THAT SHOULD BE ONE THREE YEAR OPTION, NOT THREE ONE YEAR OPTIONS.
I THOUGHT PERHAPS THAT WAS IT.
OKAY, WELL THEN, UM, DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND AWARDING THE CONTRACT TO MV TRANSPORTATION? SO MOVE, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND TURN MY MAYOR.
UM, JOCELYN, WILL YOU TAKE A ROLL CALL? VOTE PLEASE.
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DAVE? YES.SO THAT WAS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED AND THE RECORD COULD SHOW THAT.
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ON TO COMMITTEE COMMENT SECTION.UH, IF ANYONE HAS, UH, COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS THAT ARE RELEVANT TO OUR COMMITTEE, UH, THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP, I'LL PLEASE DO SO.
JUST MENTION A COUPLE TIMES RECENT MEETING, SEVERAL TIMES I'VE MENTIONED THAT THE, THE ATTEMPT TO CREATE A TRANSIT RIDERS UNION IN THE NORTH BAY, JUST BY CHANCE IMMEDIATELY BEFORE I CAME HERE I WAS ON A ZOOM CALL WITH SOMEBODY WHO HAS NOW GOTTEN THAT GOING.
IT'S CALLED THE NORTH BAY TRANSIT RIDERS.
THEY HAVE A NUMBER OF ACTIVITIES THEY'LL BE PURSUING OVER THE COMING SUMMER.
UH, I HAVE MADE PLANS TO HAVE A PHONE CONVERSATION WITH HER.
I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE GOT SOME PETALUMA FOLKS, UM, AS PART OF THAT GROUP.
UH, YOU KNOW, YES, THEY'D BE HERE PUSHING FOR MORE SERVICE, BUT I THINK MOST OF US ON THE DAY, WE WOULD LIKE PEOPLE TO BE PUSHING FOR MORE SERVICE.
HER NAME IS, UM, I FORGET ACTUALLY, ABIGAIL.
ABIGAIL SOMETHING I'LL, I I WILL, I'LL GET THE DATA TO YOU.
WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM HER.
ANYONE ELSE? PATTY? ERIC? YEAH, I JUST HAD A, WELL I THINK IT WAS MORE OF A, A QUESTION IF I CAN DO THAT.
UM, SO IN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS WHEN WE DO LOOK AT ASSESSING ALL THESE LINES AND, AND LOOKING AT WHERE WE WANNA MOVE IN THE FUTURE, IS THERE GONNA BE A, A POSSIBILITY TO KIND OF LOOK AT LINES THAT USED TO EXIST BUT MAY NOT EXIST ANYMORE AND REASSESS IF THEY MAY NEED TO COME BACK OR BE BROUGHT BACK IN A MODIFIED WAY? I WOULD SAY SO, YEAH.
I MEAN WHEN WE, YOU KNOW, START THAT SHORT RANGE TRANSIT PLAN PROCESS, THERE'S NOTHING REALLY THAT'S KIND OF OFF THE TABLE ROUTE PLANNING WISE.
YOU START WITH KIND OF HERE'S WHAT THE EXISTING SYSTEM DOES, YOUR EXISTING CONDITIONS AND THEN FROM THERE YOU LOOK AT YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU WANNA SERVE, WHERE IT GOES, WHAT ARE THE PRIORITIES OF DESTINATIONS? BUT THAT COULD BE AN EXISTING ROUTE WE HAD BEFORE.
THAT COULD BE AN ENTIRELY NEW CONCEPT.
YEAH, I THINK WE'RE OPEN TO DISCUSSING, CONSIDERING ALL THOSE OPTIONS.
JUST 'CAUSE IN MY PART OF THE CITY, UM, I DO REMEMBER THERE USED TO BE A LINE, IT WAS ACTUALLY REMINDED ME FROM MY GRANDMOTHER.
SHE TOLD ME LIKE, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A LINE THAT ACTUALLY PASSED ON ST.
FRANCIS AND I'M LIKE, WHEN WAS THAT? AND SHE'S LIKE, YOU WERE SO YOUNG SO YOU PROBABLY DON'T REMEMBER LIKE, OH I GUESS THERE WAS.
SO YOU KNOW, JUST LOOKING AT SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UM, AND SEEING IF IT HAS THE POTENTIAL OF UM, BEING MODIFIED OR USED IN DIFFERENT WAYS WOULD BE APPRECIATED.
AND OUR MAPS ONLY GO BACK SO FAR, SO IT'D BE ESPECIALLY GREAT IF YOU HAVE AN OLD MAP OR SCHEDULE GUIDE THAT
AND I'D LIKE TO ADD ON OR JUMP ON ON THAT TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND HOW THE COMMITTEE COULD BE INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS.
I'M NOT SURE THAT JUST THAT WE COULD TEAR APART THE TRANSIT MAPS IN REAL TIME IN A MEETING.
IT WOULD BE MORE BRINGING SOME RESULTS OF SOME WORK TO THE PUBLIC FORUM.
WE HAVEN'T YET FULLY STARTED THAT PROCESS TO FIGURE OUT ALL THE COMPONENTS, BUT I WOULD SAY A FEW ELEMENTS THAT ARE INTENDED TO BE IN THERE, ONE WOULD LIKELY BE A WORKSHOP OF THIS COMMITTEE.
SO I THINK THERE WOULD BE A MEETING SPECIFICALLY FOCUSED ON THE DISCUSSION OF THAT PLAN AND FOR THE ENTIRE PERIOD, THAT'S THE ENTIRE DISCUSSION.
SO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE DIVE INTO DEPTH WITH IT.
AND I THINK WE'LL ALSO BE TALKING ABOUT CREATING AN AD HOC, PERHAPS IF THERE'S INTEREST IN THIS GROUP TO SERVE IN A CAPACITY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU AND MR. ALDEN DID FOR THE TRANSIT OPERATION, RFP, IF THERE'S INTEREST, I THINK THAT'S A PATH THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL TOO.
SO AGAIN, SOMETHING WE'RE STILL FORMULATING THAT WILL COME BACK AND WE'LL PROVIDE AN UPDATE AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS, ENGAGE PEOPLE'S INTERESTS AND SEEING IF THEY'D LIKE TO PARTICIPATE IN THOSE KIND OF ELEMENTS.
BUT THOSE ARE SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT PRELIMINARILY WE'RE CONSIDERING.
HELEN, DID YOU HAVE ANY GENERAL COMMENTS? PAT? MAYBE THIS COMES UP LATER.
UM, BUT I WAS UH, WALKING BY THE NEW PETALUMA NORTH SMART STATION, WHICH IS QUITE LOVELY BY THE WAY, ALTHOUGH IT LOOKS LIKE THE PARKING LOT IS ALREADY FULL.
UM, AND UM, I'M WONDERING IF THE OPENING OF THAT STATION HAS IMPACTED FIXED DROUGHT SERVICE AT ALL.
UM, HAS THERE BEEN ANY NOTICE MAYBE PEOPLE ARE TAKING THE TRAIN INSTEAD OF THE BUS OR
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ANYTHING LIKE THAT? I WOULD SAY ONE THING THAT WILL IMPACT US IS WE'RE OF COURSE LOOKING AT MODIFYING SERVICE LEVELS ON ROUTES 11 AND TWO.UM, ANTICIPATING INCREASING ROUTE TWO TO 15 MINUTES.
A BIG PIECE OF THAT IS WITH THAT NEW STATION COMING ONLINE.
THAT'S OUR PRIMARY CONNECTING ROUTE TO IT.
UH, CARLY, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS? HAVE YOU NOTICED ANYTHING DATA WISE OR ANECDOTALLY THAT YOU'VE HEARD? NOTHING SIGNIFICANT DATA WISE, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE'RE KEEPING AN EYE ON.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE CAN DO THAT I THINK WOULD PROBABLY BE HELPFUL IS REACH OUT TO SMARTS AND UH, GET SOME PRELIMINARY RIDERSHIP FROM THEM FOR THE NORTH STATION.
I THINK THAT PEOPLE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SEEING THAT AND WE'LL INCLUDE THAT IN ONE OF THE FUTURE MEETINGS.
AND WE MAY EVEN REQUEST, UH, SOMEONE FROM SMART TO COME DOWN AND MAYBE GIVE AN UPDATES ON THE STATION, HOW IT'S GOING.
WE'LL TALK TO OUR OLD FRIEND EMILY BETH, SEE IF SHE'S ON THE JOIN.
ACTUALLY, IF I COULD PROVIDE A LITTLE FEEDBACK THERE.
I KNOW THAT, UM, EDDIE CUMMINS, THE SMART GENERAL MANAGER, WAS TELLING THE MAYOR THAT WITHIN THE FIRST MONTH OF THE PETALUMA NORTH STATION BEING OPENED, IT HAD BECOME THE EIGHTH BUSIEST BUSIEST STATION OUT OF 13.
IT WAS THE QUICKEST RISE THEY'D SEEN IN RIDERSHIP OF ANY NEW STATION IN THE HISTORY OF THE SMART SYSTEM.
I KNOW THAT THE PETALUMA STATION HAS ALREADY BEEN THE NUMBER ONE RIDERSHIP STATION, THE DOWNTOWN, AND WE WERE CURIOUS IF THERE WAS GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, A SPLITTING OF THE RIDERSHIP.
SOME PEOPLE TAKE THE NORTH INSTEAD OF DOWNTOWN, THAT MAY HAPPEN TO SOME EFFECT, BUT OVERALL SMARTS HAD, ANECDOTALLY THEY THINK MOST OF THAT RIDERSHIP AT THE NORTH STATION IS NEW RIDERS, NOT EXISTING ONES.
THAT'S VERY MUCH WHAT, UH, WHAT CUMMINS HAD TOLD THE MAYOR IS THAT THE DOWNTOWN RIDERSHIP REMAINED THE SAME AND NORTH JUST PICKED UP VERY QUICKLY, WHICH IS GREAT.
THAT'S ALWAYS WHAT YOU WANNA SEE IS BRINGING NEW PEOPLE, NEW RIDERS IN THE SYSTEM.
YEAH, I HAVE NOTICED, UH, JUST HAVING DRIVEN BY THAT STATION, THAT PARKING IS REALLY NOT EXCESSIVE.
I MEAN, AT THE PARKING AVAILABLE IS, BUT NOT THAT MANY PEOPLE ARE USING IT.
IT MAY BE HALF FULL, BUT I DO NOTICE BIKE RIDERS, A LOT MORE BIKE RIDERS WHO COME AND USE THAT STATION.
UH, I JUST WALKED BY THAT STATION, WHAT IS THIS TODAY? YESTERDAY, MONDAY.
I THINK A LOT OF IT PROBABLY DEPENDS ON TIMING AND BIG EVENTS COMING UP, THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES.
UH, THEY DO HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT BIKE PARKING THERE.
I'LL MENTION THEY HAVE EVERYTHING FROM SHORT TERM, JUST U RACKS TO BIKE LOCKERS AND EVEN REDWOOD BIKE SHARE I BELIEVE IS SET UP OVER THERE NOW AS WELL.
DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER, UH, COMMENTS TO ADD, FRED? NO.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT I WAS IN NEW YORK CITY, UH, MOSTLY, UH, BROOKLYN AND MANHATTAN, AND I DID IT ALL ON TRANSIT.
WELL ACTUALLY A COUPLE OF CAR RIDES, BUT, UM, AND I HAVE A PHOTO, BUT I, UH, OF THE ROW OF PEOPLE ACROSS FROM ME WHOSE BACKS WERE TO THE WINDOW AND EACH ONE OF THEM HAD THEIR SHOPPING CART, TWO WHEELS NOT TOO BIG, HELD BETWEEN THEIR KNEES.
SO, UM, I KNOW WE'VE, UH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
AND ALSO IN OUR, UH, INTERVIEW WITH THE VENDORS, I ASKED A COUPLE QUESTIONS ABOUT SHOPPING CARTS AND ONE, UH, ANSWER FROM THAT MV WAS THAT NO, THERE WAS NO ISSUE WITH THE UNION CONTRACT.
UM, BUT IT WAS JUST A, A SAFETY ISSUE AND WHERE TO PLACE THEM.
AND, UH, THE OPERATIONS MANAGER PROPOSED FOR THE VENDOR.
WE DID NOT SELECT, YOU KNOW, SHARED HIS EXPER HIS SUCCESSFUL EXPERIENCE WHERE YOU CAN REMOVE, UH, SEATS FROM A BUS AND CREATE, YOU KNOW, A STASHING AREA IF, IF THE CARTS OR BABY CARRIAGE IS TOO LARGE, UH, TO, TO BE JUST, YOU KNOW, HELD BY YOUR KNEES.
SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD, AND I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HAVING THAT ON THE AGENDA SIDE, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT AND GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO TELL US WHEN YOU'RE PUTTING IT ON THE AGENDA.
SO YOU'LL NOTICE IN THE MANAGER'S REPORT FOR UPCOMING MEETINGS THAT IS LISTED STROLLER AND SHOPPING CART POLICY DISCUSSION.
WE'RE CURRENTLY ANTICIPATING AND DOING THAT NEXT MONTH'S MEETING IN JUNE.
AND SO THAT'LL BE AN OPEN-ENDED KIND OF HOLISTIC DISCUSSION ON THE TOPIC.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT HERE'S WHAT THE CURRENT POLICY IS, HERE'S SOME CHANGES WE COULD CONSIDER, GET EVERYONE'S INPUT TO SEE IF WE WANT TO DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT FROM THE CURRENT POLICY.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT BEST PRACTICES AND THEN IF WE DO COME UP WITH ANY DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ENACT AND INCLUDE IN FUTURE POLICY UPDATES OF OUR RIDER POLICY AND GUIDES.
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THANK YOU.[STAFF COMMENT]
YOU'RE WELCOME.AND THAT'S A GREAT SEGUE INTO NOW IT IS THE, UM, STAFF COMMENT PERIOD.
UM, SO WOULD YOU LIKE TO PROCEED WITH THE TRANSIT MANAGERS REPORT? YES, THANK YOU AGAIN.
SO I ACTUALLY START US OFF WITH SOMETHING LOWER DOWN AND REMIND PEOPLE THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE A CALL FOR RECRUITMENT OF OPEN, UH, COMMISSIONS, COMMITTEES AND BOARDS FOR THE CITY OF PETALUMA, I HATE TO SAY, BUT TRANSIT COMMITTEE IS, UH, PULLING UP THE REAR.
WE HAVE NO APPLICATIONS SO FAR AND WE'RE THE ONLY ONES THAT DON'T.
AND WE HAVE THREE VACANCIES AND IT'S OPEN FOR NINE MORE DAYS.
SO EVERYONE HERE AND LISTENING ACROSS, YOU KNOW, TV LAND AND ANYWHERE, PLEASE GET OUT AND SPREAD THE WORD, HELP PEOPLE, UH, APPLY FOR THAT.
AND IT'S REALLY NOT JUST TRANSIT OVERALL.
THE CITY OFTEN HAS A HARD TIME GETTING APPLICATIONS FOR BOARDS COMMITTEES.
A HANDFUL ARE REALLY POPULAR AND OTHER ONES ALWAYS HAVE A HARD TIME.
AND IT'S SO VITAL THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, PARTICIPATION FROM THE COMMUNITY AND PEOPLE ENGAGED AND PEOPLE THAT ARE REALLY OUT THERE TALKING TO THEIR NEIGHBORS.
SO PLEASE DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO HELP SPREAD THE WORD ON THAT.
UH, WE INCLUDED RIDERSHIP STATS.
UM, FEBRUARY RIDERSHIP ON FIXED ROUTE WAS DOWN 2.8%.
WE DID NOTICE A FEW DISCREPANCIES IN THAT DATA THAT WE'LL BE TAKING A LOOK AT LATER ON AS UM, COMMITTEE MEMBER ALDEN NOTED.
UM, AND THEN OUR MARCH RIDERSHIP FOR PARATRANSIT WAS UP 24%.
UM, IN TERMS OF THE FLEET, OUR VAN HOOL BUSES AND YOU CAN SEE A PICTURE OF WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE IN THE REPORTS ARE CLOSE TO SERVICE.
WE'RE DOING A FEW MINOR, UH, MECHANICAL REPAIRS AND HOPE TO HAVE TWO OF THE FOUR BUSES.
AND AGAIN, THESE ARE THE FREE ONES THAT WERE DONATED BY AC TRANSIT ON THE ROAD AS SOON AS NEXT WEEK.
AND THEN THE REMAINING TWO OUT THERE I WOULD ESTIMATE IN THREE WEEKS.
AND THEN OUR ELECTRIC BUSES ARE COMING ALONG WELL FROM NEW FLYER.
UM, THOSE ARE JUST FINISHING PRODUCTION NOW AND BE READY TO SHIP IN REALLY A COUPLE OF WEEKS.
WE'RE ANTICIPATING RECEIVING THOSE IN MID-JUNE, WHICH IS GREAT NEWS ON THE FACILITY SIDE FOR ELECTRIFICATION, THE BIGGEST UM, HURDLE IS OUR SWITCHGEAR.
WE ORDERED THAT BACK IN, I THINK IT WAS NOVEMBER OF 2023 AND THEY'RE JUST NOW FINISHING THE BUILD OF THAT, HOPEFULLY SHIPPING THAT ANY DAY.
AND THAT'S THE LAST PIECE WE NEED.
'CAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE THE CHARGERS BEFORE WE GO OUT TO BID AND HAVE THAT BID OUT IN A MONTH OR TWO, UH, TO KEEP THAT PROJECT MOVING ALONG.
HOPEFULLY WRAPPING EVERYTHING UP OVER, UH, THE NEXT FEW MONTHS BY THE END OF THE YEAR, UH, FOR AN UPDATE ON MARKETING.
MARIA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO PROVIDE SOME UPDATES? I DON'T HAVE AN UPDATE ON LUGO.
DO YOU WANT CARLY UPDATE ON LUGO? YEAH, CARLY, IF THERE'S ANY STATS OR ANYTHING, ANY OTHER UPDATES YOU WOULDN'T MIND TALKING ABOUT? I CAN, I CAN READ FROM IT.
THE, THE LUGO, UH, HAD AN UH, UH, 165 RIDES WERE COMPLETED IN A SINGLE DAY.
THAT WAS ONE OF OUR BIG, BIG RIDERSHIP DAYS.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANNA ADD OR, UM, NOTHING OTHER THAN WHAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE REPORT.
NO, IN MY LITTLE ONE PAGE UPDATE.
YEAH, THAT WAS KIND OF OUR RECORD RIDERSHIP DAY AND WE'VE REALLY BROKEN RECORDS, I THINK LIKE ONCE A MONTH AT LEAST FOR THE PAST THREE OR FOUR MONTHS.
DID YOU WANT ME TO GO INTO SOME YEAH, PLEASE.
UM, WELL, NUMBER ONE, WE LOVED WHAT WAS IT FUTURE FEST AND ALL THE OUTREACH WE'VE BEEN DOING.
I WANT TO THANK ALL THE MEMBERS THAT WERE THERE, UM, AND EVEN ANSWERED, HELPED ANSWER QUESTIONS.
UM, I WILL SAY I JUST A QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT THAT I, I AM NO LONGER GONNA BE IN THIS ROLE WITH PETALUMA TRANSIT.
UM, I'LL BE PHASING OUT AT THE END OF THE NEXT TWO MONTHS PROBABLY.
SO THIS WILL PROBABLY BE MY LAST TAC MEETING.
UM, BUT I'VE LOVED EVERY MINUTE.
THIS HAS BEEN MY FAVORITE AGENCY TO WORK.
UM, AND A IN A LARGE PART DUE TO THE COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT FOR SOMEBODY WHO DOES THE COMMUNITY PORTION, IT'S SO NICE WHEN THERE'S SO MANY INVOLVED COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
UM, SO I ALWAYS APPRECIATE THAT.
AND THEN MY ABILITY TO HELP, UH, WITH LUMA GO AND FAIR FREE, WHICH WILL NOW BE IN THE VERY CAPABLE HANDS OF JARED AND CARLY.
UM, SO I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING HOW THAT EXPANSION GOES AS WELL AS THEIR SCHEDULES.
UM, ONE THING THAT I DID WANNA LEAVE THOUGH WITH WAS WE ARE GONNA BE DOING A NEW WEBSITE.
SO I'LL BE SPENDING MY LAST TWO MONTHS FOCUSING ON CREATING AND NOT CREATING THIS.
THE, THE BONES ARE THERE, JUST, THERE'S NO CONTENT.
SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT OUR WEBSITE AND THERE IS SOMETHING OUTTA DATE, THAT'S PROBABLY TRUE BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY OUTTA DATE.
BUT IF THERE'S SOMETHING YOU WANNA SEE ADDED, THIS IS ALSO A GREAT TIME TO LET US KNOW.
SOME OF THE ADDITIONS WILL BE KIND OF FORMS THAT WILL HELP EASE SOME OF THE BURDEN IN TERMS OF LIKE, WE GET INQUIRIES FOR, UM, ADVERTISING.
WE GET INQUIRIES FOR FIELD TRIPS, WE GET INCREASE FOR ALL THESE THINGS.
AND SO IT'LL HELP US KIND OF STREAMLINE THOSE AS WELL AS GIVE US A NEW LOOK.
THIS IS IN PART WITH OUR, UM, OUR PLANT HAVE MORE OF A SEAMLESS EXPERIENCE ACROSS, UH, THE COUNTY AS WELL AS THE BAY AREA.
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OUR WEBSITE WILL LOOK VERY MUCH LIKE SANTA ROSA'S WEBSITE AND THEN SONOMA COUNTY'S WEBSITE AND THEN EVENTUALLY WE'LL HAVE ONE LANDING PAGE FOR ALL OF THEM.AGAIN, TRYING TO EASE THAT BURDEN OF A PERSON GOING, I DON'T REALLY CARE WHAT BUS I'M ON, JUST GET ME THERE.
YOU KNOW? UM, SO THIS IS PART OF THAT WORK.
THE OTHER THING I'LL BE LEAVING WITH IS I'D HOPE TO DO A FULL REBRAND OF THE BUSES.
I'M NOT AS BIG A FAN OF THE COLOR SOMETIMES, BUT I WON'T HAVE TIME TO DO A FULL REBRAND, BUT I WILL HAVE SOME TIME TO DO MAYBE A REFRESH ON THE LOGO FOR THE ELECTRIC BUSES.
SO I JUST, I DON'T WANNA TAKE TOO MUCH TIME, BUT I, AND I KNOW IT'S NOT IN THE PACKET, BUT I WANTED TO SHOW YOU ALL JUST TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY FEEDBACK RIGHT OFF THE BAT.
UM, OUR LOGO IS PRETTY, YOU KNOW, JUST NEEDS A, A LITTLE REVAMP.
SO I THOUGHT MAYBE THE, UM, ELECTRIC BUS WOULD BE A GOOD WAY TO TRY A NEW THING, RIGHT.
KIND OF LIKE WE DID WITH LUMA GO, WE GAVE IT A GO.
IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT STICKS, THAT'S GREAT.
SO WHAT YOU SEE ON YOUR SCREEN IS THE FIRST.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH BIGGER I CAN MOVE.
THE SCREEN'S ON THE DAYS AREN'T WORKING, SO YOU'LL HAVE TO TURN AROUND.
ALRIGHT, SO THE FIRST ONE IS OUR CURRENT PETALUMA TRANSIT LOGO.
IT, WELL, THE TRICKINESS OF THIS AGING OUT LOGO IS WE, IT'S HARD TO REDRAW, SO EVEN AT A VERY MINIMUM WE WANNA REDRAW IT.
UM, BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IS THIS OLD FILE AND IT'S HARD TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS.
IT ALSO DOESN'T LAY VERY WELL IN OTHER DESIGNS.
SO OPTION ONE, AND THIS ARE NOT THE ONLY OPTIONS AND THESE ARE JUST FOR THE ELECTRIC BUS INITIALLY, BUT I JUST LIKE FEEDBACK.
UM, ONE IS JUST KIND OF A QUICK REBRAND OF IT, JUST KIND OF MODERNIZING IT.
SO THEN WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, ADJUST IT OUT.
AND THEN WE HAVE A FEW DIFFERENT OPTIONS, UM, KIND OF PLAYING ON THE ORIGINAL AND THEN FIVE THROUGH NINE ARE JUST TOTALLY OUT THERE TRYING DIFFERENT THINGS.
THIS IS THE SAME DESIGNER THAT DID LUGO, SO, UM, HE ALSO WANTED TO MAKE SURE TO GIVE YOU ALL SOME DIFFERENT OPTIONS TOO IN TERMS OF COLOR.
LET'S SEE IF I CAN GO DOWN, UM, TO KIND OF SEE IT IN DIFFERENT COLORS.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE THINKING ABOUT IS POTENTIALLY REUSING THE STRIPES TO REPRESENT LIKE PARATRANSIT FIXED ROUTE AND THE LUMA GO.
BECAUSE REALLY WITH DESIGN, YOU WANT IT TO ALL BE INTENTIONAL AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE WINGS WERE MEANT TO BE, BUT WE WOULD LIKE THEM TO NOW BE AN INTENTIONAL WING.
UM, ANOTHER OPTION MIGHT BE TO SWITCH IT INTO SOMETHING.
AND AGAIN, IT'S THERE, YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE TO GIMME LIKE MAJOR COMMENTS, BUT WHATEVER.
UM, THIS ONE, NUMBER THREE, THAT KIND OF HAS A SUN LOOK TO IT, MAYBE INSTEAD GETTING AWAY FROM THE STRIPES.
UM, AND THEN WE COULD POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE JUST SOME DIFFERENT TREATMENTS.
YOU CAN SEE SEEING IT WITH DIFFERENT COLORS.
OUR DESIGNER REALLY LIKES THIS, UM, BECAUSE THE TEE THEN GETS TO BE TURNED INTO A TREE.
I SEE THE, WE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S A WHEEL UNDER THE PEA AS THE PEA.
SO COULD WE REUSE THIS TO BE LIKE FOR PARA A WHEEL WHEEL TRANSIT, MAYBE FOR BIKE P IT COULD BE A WHEEL FOR A BIKE.
SO IT'S JUST ABOUT GIVING US OPTIONS, BUT WE, AND WE'RE NOT MAKING FINAL DECISION TO SAY THESE ARE THE COLOR SCHEMES THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING.
UM, WE WILL REALLY WANTED TO MAKE SURE PETALUMA ALWAYS LOOKS LIKE A WELCOME MEMBER IN THE COMMUNITY.
I KNOW LUMA GOES A LITTLE BRASSY.
UM, SO WITH OUR BUSES TO BE A LITTLE MORE TONED DOWN, BUT STILL HAVE KIND OF SOME OF THOSE EARTHY TONES AND STILL HEARKEN BACK TO THE BLUE THAT WE STARTED WITH.
SO THESE ARE JUST A FEW THINGS THAT WE'RE PLAYING AROUND WITH AND I BROUGHT IT UP TO MY DESIGNER SAID, I'M SEEING OUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
I HAVE SUCH GREAT IDEAS ALL THE TIME.
IF YOU CAN GET IT TO ME BY, YOU KNOW, TODAY, WHICH HE DID, UM, MAYBE I'LL GET SOME FEEDBACK.
UM, UH, SO YEAH, SO I JUST, YOU KNOW, FIGURED I WANTED TO GIVE, GET SOME OF YOUR FEEDBACK.
SO IF THERE'S ANY COMMENTS ON THIS AND YOU GUYS ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO LATER ON, GIVE ME COMMENTS TOO.
THIS IS NOT HAVE TO BE ON THE CUFF, BUT, UM, YEAH.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING IS BASED ON THAT DESIGN, WE'LL THEN BE DESIGNING THE WHOLE ELECTRIC BUS.
SO IF IT'S A LARGER CHANGE TO THE LOGO, THAT'LL PROBABLY BE THE MAJORITY OF THE BUS.
IF IT'S ONLY LIKE NUMBER ONE WHERE IT'S JUST A SLIGHT CHANGE, THE BUS WILL HAVE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT LOOK.
UM, SOMETHING TO JUST KIND OF SAY, HEY, THIS IS AN ELECTRIC BUS, KIND OF LIKE WE DO WITH LUMA.
THIS IS OUR FIRST ELECTRIC BUS.
WE REALLY WANNA BRING IT OUT IN A, IN A MAJOR WAY.
SO HAPPY TO TAKE ANY COMMENTS ON ANY BRANDING.
UM, AND AGAIN, THANK YOU GUYS.
WOULD THE COMMITTEE LIKE TO COMMENT NOW? ANY INITIAL THOUGHTS? YEAH, I SAW THE, THE SECONDARY COLOR PALETTE.
UM, I LIKED THAT THERE WERE MORE OPTIONS THAN JUST THE GREEN AND THE, AND THE BLUE, BUT, UM, ARE THERE OTHER EXAMPLES OF THE BROWN OR THE YELLOW BEAN INCORPORATED? YES.
SO, UM, LIKE THE TAN ONES, THESE ARE THE ONES WE'RE WORKING WITH RIGHT NOW.
THAT KIND OF BALANCE WITH THE PRIMARIES.
UM, THE PRIMARIES YOU SEE ARE A COMBINATION OF WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE ON THE BUS AND THEN THE FAIR FREE BLUE, AND THEN THE GREENS ARE DERIVATIVES OF THE LUMA GO
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AND THE GOLDS ARE THE CLOSEST DERIVATIVE OF THE CURRENT GOLD.BUT WE CAN STEP AWAY FROM THAT OR INTRODUCE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT COLOR.
JARED AND I BOTH WERE LIKE, WE DON'T THINK PURPLE'S FOR, BUT IT LOOKED REALLY COOL.
UM, AND YOU TRY IT THERE SO WE CAN BRING SOME BACK, FOR SURE.
ESPECIALLY IF WE DO A FULL REBRAND.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT, UM, WITH THIS, IF YOU WANT, TRUST ME, I, AND I'VE DONE THIS WITH A FEW OF YOU.
IF YOU WANT COMMENTS, I WILL SEND YOU STUFF VIA EMAIL.
'CAUSE I ALWAYS LIKE MY EXTENSION STAFF EXTENSION HERE.
SO I'M, I'M GONNA SEND YOU AN EMAIL WITH STUFF.
IS THAT OKAY? YEAH, THAT'S GOOD.
I'LL SEND YOU THE OTHER COLORS YOU PICKED.
WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO COMMENT AT THIS TIME? SURE.
I'LL JUST SAY THAT THE ONE THAT REALLY CAUGHT MY EYE WAS NUMBER SEVEN, THE ONE THAT YOU EVOKE.
ALSO, I FOUND THE TREE TO BE MAYBE A BRIDGE TOO FAR, UH,
BUT IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO THE TREE, THEN I THINK YOU NEED TO MAKE THE, THE TOP OF THE TEE A LITTLE HEAVIER.
MAY THE, THE LOGO FROM NUMBER SIX ON NUMBER SEVEN WOULD BE MY, MY THOUGHT, BUT I'LL BE HAPPY TO SEE FURTHER IDEAS AS THEY DEVELOP.
OTHER COMMENTS? I HAVE ONE, I'M, I'M SIMPLE.
IT'S VERY, VERY, IT'S NOT CLUTTERED.
IT'S JUST OUT THERE VERY CLEAN.
AND THEN MY COMMENT IS THAT WHEN YOU WENT, WHEN YOU INCLUDED OTHER COLORS, I GOT INTERESTED.
I THINK JARED AND I FELT THE SAME WAY.
IT WAS LIKE, AH, AND THEN WHEN YOU BROUGHT THE COLORS, IT WAS A LOT, A LOT OF FUN.
AND I THINK THERE MIGHT BE MORE DIFFERENT COLOR OPTIONS TOO.
I KIND OF LIKE THE TREE, BUT IT MIGHT BE A STRETCH.
FOR THE FIRST ROW WITH THE THREE COLORS.
AND I DIDN'T, AND AFTER SEEING THESE, I DID NOT WANNA GO BACK TO THOSE FIRST ONES.
I, I KNOW IT, I KNOW IT CAN BE A LITTLE WEIRD DOING A MARKETING THING HERE, BUT IT REALLY IS BECAUSE SOMETIMES PEOPLE WILL SEE, LIKE, I THINK SOMEBODY SAW, UH, IN ONE OF THE ITERATIONS IT LOOKED LIKE A KNIFE, BUT I HADN'T SEEN IT UNTIL I SENT IT TO SOMEBODY AND THEY'RE LIKE, THAT LOOKS LIKE A KNIFE.
THE TEA WAS KIND OF HAD A WEIRD, SO YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT YOU SEE EVEN IN THE ABSENCE SPACE.
SO, UM, YEAH, I'M REALLY EXCITED TO CONTINUE THIS AND ONCE WE HAVE OUR BUSES, UH, I'LL, I'LL HOPEFULLY GET ALL THE PRODUCTION DONE AND THEN JARED WILL OVERSEE THE INSTALLATION.
I, I AGREE WITH GAIL THAT, UM, UH, C REALLY PERKS IT UP, REALLY GRABS YOUR ATTENTION.
AND I, THE MIDDLE ONE HA HAS SOME MOVEMENT IN IT.
AND, UH, I THINK THAT'S REALLY MOST APPEALING TO ME.
UM, AND I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE A MOMENT.
I'D LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK MARIA FOR ALL THE GREAT WORK THAT SHE'S DONE.
SHE'S DONE A LOT OF GREAT WORK FOR US AND A LITTLE OVER TWO YEARS WITH THE CITY, SO I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, ESPECIALLY ON PROJECTS LIKE LUMA GO AND FAIR FREE MANY THINGS BEYOND THAT.
BUT I WANT TO TAKE A MINUTE TO APPLAUD HER FOR ALL THE GREAT WORK THAT SHE'S DONE ON BEHALF OF THE AGENCY.
UM, SO A COUPLE LAST ITEMS BEFORE WE WRAP UP.
UM, WE ARE LOOKING AT DOING A SCHEDULED CHANGE IN JUNE, SO WE'LL PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THAT, THE NEXT MEETING.
UH, SO MINOR TWEAKS TO THE SCHEDULES AND THEN THE ADJUSTMENTS ON ROUTES TWO AND ROUTES 15, ROUTES TWO AND 11 TO BRING THEM TO 15 MINUTES.
WE WILL BE RUNNING SUMMER SCHOOL THIS YEAR AGAIN, WHICH IS ALSO AT CASA GRANDE, SOMETHING THAT WE DO EVERY YEAR.
SO WE'VE BEEN REACHING OUT WITH THE DISTRICT AND PLANNING THAT SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE DONE BEFORE.
AND THEN OUR NEXT MEETING IS SCHEDULED FOR TUESDAY, JUNE 17TH.
AS WE MENTIONED, WE WILL, UH, HAVE THE DISCUSSION ON THE STROLLERS AND SHOPPING CARTS.
AND WE'RE ALSO HOPING TO DISCUSS THE ELECTRIC PARATRANSIT CUTAWAY AT THAT TIME.
UM, AND SO THAT COMPLETES THE MANAGER'S REPORT.
MAY I GO OUT OF TURN AND BRING UP THE OTHER COMMENT THAT I FORGOT TO BRING UP DURING THE COMMITTEE COMMENT? IT WAS WHEN RIDING ON, UH, THE NEW YORK CITY BUSES AND SUBWAYS, AS SOON AS WE WERE LEAVING A STOP, IT SAID, YOU KNOW, THE AUTOMATED VOICE SAID, NEXT STOP.
AND THEN YOU ALSO GOT A, THIS IS THE STOP YOU'RE COMING TO.
AND WHEN I WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE WEEKS AGO TAKING A PETALUMA
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BUST THAT I'M NOT THAT FAMILIAR WITH, IT WOULD NOT SAY, NEXT STOP IT.JUST AS YOU'RE GETTING CLOSE TO THE NEXT STOP, IT SAYS, WE ARE APPROACHING WHATEVER IT IS WE'RE APPROACHING.
AND I HAD A ROLLY BAG BETWEEN MY KNEES.
UM, AND I WANTED TO BE SURE THAT I COULD GET UP AND GET TO THE DOOR IN A TIMELY MANNER.
AND I DIDN'T REALLY KNOW IF THERE WAS A, I KNEW WHERE THE STOP WAS, I WAS GOING TO, BUT I DID NOT KNOW IF THERE WERE ANY STOPS IN BETWEEN.
AND IT WOULD'VE EASED MY ANXIETY GREATLY IF I HAD KNOWN WHAT THE NEXT STOP WAS BECAUSE IT WAS LIKE, OH, THAT WE ARE APPROACHING ISN'T VERY FAR IN ADVANCE OF THE STOP.
AND IF YOU'RE A SENIOR OR HAVE YOUR FOOT IN A CAST, YOU WANNA BE UP AND BE ABLE TO GET OFF THE BUS IN A TIMELY MANNER.
UH, ONE QUICK THOUGHT ON THAT, AND I APPRECIATE THE INPUT IS THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE ALWAYS TWEAKING.
UH, WE'VE, ESPECIALLY OVER THE PAST COUPLE WEEKS, WEEKS BEEN WORKING ON THE AUDIBLE ANNOUNCEMENTS.
SO PEOPLE HEAR MORE OF THOSE THESE DAYS WHEN THEY'RE RIDING THE BUS.
YOU KNOW, LIKE NO LOUD VOLUME, NO DRINKS.
IT CAN REALLY BE DIFFERENT ON A STOP, STOP BASIS.
SO IF YOU OR ANYONE HAS ANY SPECIFIC STOP THINGS LIKE WHEN I'M ON ROUTE TO GOING BY THE COMMUNITY CENTER DOESN'T SAY THAT ANNOUNCEMENT EARLY ENOUGH, LET US KNOW.
BECAUSE REALLY ON A STOP BY STOP BASIS AT TIMES, YOU ACTUALLY CAN SET THAT.
AND IT DEPENDS ON THE DISTANCE AND THE SPEED, HOW FAR IN ADVANCE YOU SET IT, AND IT'S REALLY MORE OF A ART THAN A SCIENCE OF DOING THAT.
SO IF YOU HEAR OF ANY PARTICULAR ISSUES ON ROUTES, LET US KNOW, EVEN FOR A SPECIFIC STOP AND WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT FURTHER.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS, STAFF OR COMMITTEE WITH THAT? WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 6:15 PM OH.