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[CALL TO ORDER]
UM, GOOD EVENING.I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS, UH, MEETING OF THE RECREATION PARKS AND MUSIC COMMISSION TO ORDER.
IT IS WEDNESDAY, MAY 15TH AND IT IS 6 57.
UH, CLERK, CAN YOU PLEASE CALL ROLL ELLI? HERE, CHISHOLM.
AND NOW LET'S STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
DO WE HAVE ANY GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS? I DIDN'T SEE ANY COME THROUGH EMAIL.
I'D LIKE TO RECORD TO NOTE THAT WE HAVE NO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS.
[PRESENTATIONS]
WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR PRESENTATIONS.WE'RE GONNA RECEIVE A PRESENTATION ON THE PROPOSED FISCAL YEAR FOR 24 SLASH ISN'T THAT INCORRECT? 25 SLASH 26 FOR PARKS AND RECREATION, OPERATIONAL BUDGETS AND CAPITAL PARKS PROJECTS.
WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON PRIORITIZE INVESTMENTS AND PARKS, PROJECTS AND PROGRAMS. AND DREW IS GOING TO TAKE US ON OUR WAY.
THANK YOU CHAIR AND GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS STAFF.
UM, I WILL HAVE RYAN, OUR, OUR CLERK, RUN SOME SLIDES TONIGHT.
AND AS AN OVERVIEW TO GET US STARTED AS A REMINDER, UH, EACH YEAR WE PRESENT THE UPCOMING, UM, OPERATING AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT SPENDING PRIORITIES AS IT RELATES TO PARKS, PROJECTS, AS WELL AS PARKS AND RECREATION AS A DEPARTMENT.
THIS PRESENTATION IS, UH, REQUIRES NO ACTION BY THE COMMISSION TONIGHT.
UH, HOWEVER, WE'RE ALWAYS OPEN FOR QUESTIONS AND FEEDBACK.
UH, IT'S OUR OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE NOT JUST THE INVESTMENT BUT PRIORITIES, BUT KEEP TRACK OF ONGOING PROJECTS AND INITIATIVES, AS WELL AS PREVIEW ANY NEW PROJECTS OR PROGRAMS COMING DOWN THE PIPELINE.
FOR TONIGHT, I WILL WALK US THROUGH AN OVERVIEW OF THE CITY'S BUDGET, REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES, FOLLOWED BY THE DEPARTMENT'S BUDGET, AND THEN THEN REVIEW SOME OF THE KEY ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND GOALS THIS YEAR.
WE'RE ALSO GOING TO REVIEW THE FAIRGROUNDS BUDGET, UPCOMING FAIR EVENT ITSELF.
UH, AND THEN I WILL, UH, INTRODUCE KAT REISINGER, OUR DEPUTY DIRECTOR, TO DO A DEEPER DIVE INTO THE LUMA ICE OVER BUDGET AND PROGRAM MEASURABLES, UH, THAT WE COMMITTED TO BRINGING BACK, UM, LAST MEETING, I BELIEVE IT WAS, OR A COUPLE MEETINGS PRIOR TO.
AND I DO WANNA RECOGNIZE, 'CAUSE I'M JUST EXCITED TO HAVE A COUPLE OF STAFF JOINING US IN THE CHAMBERS.
UM, THIS IS LINDSAY FISHER, RECREATION SUPERVISOR, UH, AND TARA DEATHLY, OUR NEW RECREATION SUPERVISOR.
WE STARTED ON THE SAME DAY, RIGHT? YES.
THEY TRAVEL LIKE THIS NOW, EVERYWHERE THEY GO,
SO, UH, LINDSAY'S JOINING US, UH, AS A RECREATION SUPERVISOR OVERSEEING KIND OF GENERAL PROGRAMMING AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER.
AND TARA'S, UH, POSITION IS A NEW POSITION SUPPORTING AQUATICS AS WELL AS SPECIAL EVENTS.
SO REALLY EXCITED TO HAVE THEM BOTH HERE AND THANKS FOR LETTING ME PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, THE MICROPHONE NEXT TIME, BUT APPRECIATE YOU.
OKAY, SO LET'S GET LIGHTED OR LIGHTED.
SO I AM PLEASED TO SHARE THAT THE CITY'S PROPOSING A BALANCED BUDGET, UH, WITH NO CUTS TO SERVICES OR STAFFING.
UH, THIS IS IN LARGE PART DUE TO THE SUPPORT OF, UH, COMMUNITY PASSING A REGIONAL SALES TAX MEASURE MEASURE U, UH, AS WELL AS MORE CONSERVATIVE FINANCIAL FORECASTING BY OUR VERY TALENTED FINANCE TEAM.
EACH DEPARTMENT, HOWEVER, WAS ASKED, UH, TO REDUCE, UH, THEIR OPERATING SERVICES AND SUPPLIES BY A FIVE OR 10% TARGET RATE.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS, UM, SERVICES AND SUPPLIES ACROSS THE BOARD.
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WE CAME IN.AND THIS IS IN ANTICIPATION OF SALES TAX REVENUES FLATTENING OUT OR REPRESENTING ONLY SMALL INCREASES IN THE NEXT YEAR.
SO THAT'S KIND OF A BIG OVERVIEW PICTURE OF KIND OF THE CLIMATE THAT WE CAME INTO, UH, AND ASSUMPTIONS MADE THROUGH THIS NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET CYCLE.
SO WE OFTEN TALK ABOUT BUDGETS AND CAPITAL PROJECTS ABSENT OF OUR CITYWIDE GOALS AND PRIORITIES.
SO I WANTED TO SHOW THIS SLIDE, AND AGAIN, THIS DOES NOT REPRESENT ALL OF THE CITY'S MANY PRIORI PRIORITIZED GOALS AND, UM, THAT WE HAVE FOR THE UPCOMING TWO YEAR CYCLE, BUT THIS WAS, UH, KIND OF A SNAPSHOT OF ONES THAT, THAT WERE DISCUSSED AT LENGTH DURING OUR COUNCIL GOALS AND PRIORITIES WORKSHOP THAT WE'RE COMMITTED TO OVER THIS NEXT YEAR.
AND I WANNA HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE IN HERE AS IT RELATES SPECIFICALLY TO PARKS AND RECREATION.
OBVIOUSLY, WE ARE ALL COMMITTED TO OUR GENERAL PLAN UPDATE REALLY AGGRESSIVELY HAVING TO GET THAT PUT, UH, INTO THE BOOKS SO THAT WE CAN THEN DIVERT OUR TALENTED TEAM AND PLANNING, UM, TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE ON MORE PROJECTS LIKE THE FAIRGROUNDS MASTER PLAN, THE, THE STRATEGIC PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN, ET CETERA.
ALSO, ON THIS LIST YOU'LL SEE THE AQUATICS PROGRAMMING AND THE URBAN FOREST MANAGEMENT PLAN.
THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE ARE COMMITTED TO, UH, MOVING INTO THE NEXT YEAR.
I WILL ALSO SAY THE CITY COUNCIL, CITY MANAGEMENT WERE VERY SUPPORT OF MOVING AND PUSHING THE STRATEGIC PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN, UH, FORWARD.
SO WE DID, UH, RECEIVE SUPPORT FROM MOVING THAT FROM FISCAL YEAR 27 UP TO FISCAL YEAR 26.
SO YOU'LL SEE THAT IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET.
UM, SO I WANTED TO TOUCH ON THAT TONIGHT.
IT DOES NOT HAVE FUNDING YET TIED TO IT.
SO WHEN WE START LOOKING AT NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET IN ABOUT SIX MONTHS, WE WANNA BE MINDFUL THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WILL HAVE TO, UH, FIND FUNDING AND HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS ON, ON FUNDING THE STRATEGIC PARKS MASTER PLAN.
KEEPING WITH THIS HIGH LEVEL, THE OVERALL REVENUES, AND I'M S SORRY IF IT'S HARD TO SEE ON YOUR SCREENS, BUT THE OVERALL, UH, REVENUES AS IT RELATES TO JUST TAX COLLECT IS, IS SET AT 35 MILLION OR, OR ROUGHLY 36.
THE TAKEAWAY HERE IS A MAJORITY OF OUR TAX REVENUES, UH, COME FROM A COMBINATION OF PROPERTY TAX AND SALES TAX, UH, ROUGHLY MAKING 80, 82% OR SO, 42 FROM PROPERTY, 40 FROM SALES.
BUT AGAIN, THIS DOES NOT COUNT FOR UTILITIES OR FEES FOR SERVICES.
THESE ARE, ARE JUST OUR TAX REVENUES.
AND MOVING ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THE CITY'S OVERALL EXPENDITURES.
UM, AGAIN, YOU SAW THIS ON THE FIRST SLIDE, ARE AT 80 MILLION.
JUST AS AN OVERVIEW, ABOUT 70% OF THAT, UH, IS DEDICATED GENERAL FUNDS GO TO, UM, POLICE AND FIRE.
AND THEN PARKS AND RECREATION ARE HOLDING STRONG AT 9% OF OUR OVERALL BUDGET.
BUT I WOULD SAY CONFIDENTLY WE REPRESENT 80% OF THE FUN
APOLOGIES, THIS IS A LITTLE SMALL AS WELL, BUT TAKEN AGAIN FROM THE BUDGET BOOK.
SO MOVING FROM THAT 9% OVERALL GENERAL FUND.
NOW WHAT, HOW IS THAT 9% BROKEN OUT? UH, THE, ESSENTIALLY, I, I REFER TO THIS AS OUR, YOU KNOW, PARKS FOR PEACE SIGN.
IT ALWAYS LOOKS LIKE A PEACE SIGN TO ME.
YOU'VE GOT YOUR PARKS MAINTENANCE, UM, ROUGHLY 42%, AND THEN YOUR RECREATION SERVICES 45%.
THOSE NUMBERS KIND OF ROUGHLY EQUAL EACH OTHER OUT EACH, EACH AND EVERY YEAR THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
AND THEN YOU HAVE ALSO FACILITIES MAINTENANCE, WHICH IS UNDER OUR DEPARTMENT, UH, COMING IN ABOUT 13%, UH, PROPOSED.
WE HAVE A PROPOSED SLIGHT INCREASE IN OUR FACILITIES MAINTENANCE DIVISION BUDGET THIS YEAR TO HELP FUND ADDITIONAL MAINTENANCE SUPPORT.
AND OUR DECREASES IN OUR OVERALL BUDGET THIS YEAR ARE SET IN THE OPERATIONAL SERVICES ON THE MARK PARKS MAINTENANCE SIDE.
TO CLARIFY, THE MAJORITY OF THESE DECREASES ARE REFLECTIVE IN KINDA ONE-TIME PURCHASE INCREASES LAST YEAR.
SO THERE'S A NON-RECURRING EXPENSES LIKE AN A DA SWIM LIFT OR THAT INTENSIVE GOPHER PROGRAM THAT WE RAN OUT.
SO THESE ARE NOT, UM, DECREASES IN OVERALL SERVICES NEXT NECESSARILY, BUT DECREASES IN THOSE NON-REOCCURRING COSTS.
SO THIS IS TAKEN OUTTA THE BUDGET BOOK.
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THE ORG CHART IS REALLY JUST TO SHOW KIND OF A REPRESENTATION IN PRACTICE.IT'S MUCH MORE FLAT, IT'S A PANCAKE.
UM, BUT TO SHOW IT ON ONE SLIDE, THIS IS WHAT IT HAD TO LOOK LIKE.
SO, UM, THAT IS HOW WE DO THE WORK.
UH, WE HAVE 29 FULL-TIME, UH, EMPLOYEE ALLOCATIONS THIS YEAR.
UH, THOSE ARE ROUGHLY SPLIT BETWEEN 13 IN PARKS, UH, MAINTENANCE, FOUR AND FACILITIES AND THE MAJORITY OF THE REST IN ALL IN RECREATION SERVICES.
SO, MOVING INTO KIND OF A LOOK BACK OF ACCOMPLISHMENTS BY NO MEANS, UM, IS THIS, UH, EXHAUSTIVE LIST, BUT IS REALLY JUST MEANT TO REPRESENT THE VARIETY OF THINGS THAT WE, UH, HAVE A PRIVILEGE OF WORKING ON EVERY YEAR.
UM, THE SKATE PARK DESIGN, WHICH REALLY CAME FROM, UH, A CALL FROM A COMMUNITY NEED IN IN 20 20, 20 21, UH, REALLY EXCITED THAT WE COMPLETED THE DESIGN AT LOU CASEY PARK.
THAT'LL BE MOVING INTO CONSTRUCTION, UH, HERE NEXT YEAR.
THE PATHWAY IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS THAT WERE REALLY NOTICEABLE IN THE OUTREACH WE DID, UH, EARLY ON WITH OUR MEASURE M EXPENDITURES, HOW IMPORTANT THESE WALKWAYS AND ACCESSIBILITY ARE.
THOSE PROJECTS AT MCDOWELL MCNAIR LARA WERE SO HUGE, UH, TO GET COMPLETED THIS YEAR.
THEY LOOK GREAT AND THEY'VE BEEN GETTING A LOT OF GOOD FEEDBACK, EXPANDING OUR SHEEP GRAZING PROGRAM TO NOW OVER A HUNDRED ACRES.
WE STARTED WITH A LITTLE OVER 50, UH, AND WE'RE, WE'RE PILOTING NEW AREAS, UH, LIKE THE ROCKY DOG PARK, GETTING A LOT OF FEEDBACK ON WHAT'S WORKING WELL, UM, WHAT STILL NEEDS TO BE ADJUSTED.
OUR ANNUAL FARE, ALTHOUGH, UH, WILL OCCUR IN OUR, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS FISCAL YEAR, THE PLANNING EFFORT TO, TO WORK CLOSELY WITH THE, UH, FOURTH DISTRICT AGRICULTURAL ASSOCIATION, BUT A LOT OF THIS INTERNAL PLANNING EFFORT, UM, YOU KNOW, AND PARTICULARLY BY OUR DEPUTY DIRECTOR KAT, RUNNING MULTIPLE DIFFERENT TEAMS AND SUB-TEAMS COORDINATING WITH VARIOUS PEOPLE ALL ACROSS THE CITY, UH, AS OUR NEW STAFF TOO, ONBOARD ONBOARDING SAYING, HEY, WELCOME TO THE TEAM.
AND OH, BY THE WAY, LET'S PUT ON A FAIR.
UM, EVERYBODY'S BEEN, BEEN REALLY WORKING TOGETHER, COLLABORATIVE, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S, WE'RE REALLY PROUD OF.
THE LUMA ICE EVENT, WHICH YOU'LL HEAR THE RECAP MORE FROM CAT TONIGHT.
AND THEN THE SCHULLENBERGER EDUCATIONAL CLASSROOM, WHICH YOU ALL, UM, GOT TO EXPERIENCE TODAY.
UH, AND IF YOU HAVEN'T, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO BACK OUT THERE, UM, BEFORE WE, UH, THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY KIND OF DISCOVERS THAT SPACE.
AGAIN, BY NO MEANS ARE THESE EXHAUSTIVE, BUT JUST TOUCHING ON SOME OF THE COMMITMENTS THAT WE'VE MADE IN PRIOR YEARS, THAT WILL BE THE COMPLETION OF THE NEW LUCCHESE SKATE PARK.
THAT URBAN FOREST MANAGEMENT PLAN EXISTED, UM, ON OUR COUNCIL, CITY COUNCIL GOALS AND PRIORITIES OVER TWO CYCLES.
SO HAVING THAT COMPLETED WILL REALLY HELP US DETERMINE, UH, ROADMAPS FOR HOW WE CARE FOR OUR TREES MOVING FORWARD.
NOT JUST IN PARKS, BUT PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAYS.
THE NATURAL TURF ORGANIC MAINTENANCE PROGRAM.
THIS IS A THREE YEAR PILOT PROGRAM THAT WE'VE COMMITTED TO.
SO START COLLECTING KIND OF SOME DATA ON WHAT'S WORKING FOR THAT.
EXCITED FOR, UH, THE BIG ONE IS THE AQUATICS MANAGEMENT AND PROGRAMMING.
UH, THE POOL PLASTERING PROJECT IS, IS WRAPPING UP, BUT THAT WILL QUICKLY FOLLOW BY, YOU KNOW, TRANSITIONING WHAT WILL BE THE NEW AQUATICS PROGRAM.
SO THIS IS, UM, THE NEXT COUPLE WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE CAPITAL PARKS PROJECTS.
UH, SOME OF THEM, YOU KNOW, ARE OBVIOUSLY, UM, SYNONYMOUS WITH PARKS.
THOSE ARE LIKE THE LE LUCCHESE TURF PROJECT, LUCCHESE SKATE PARK.
BUT THEN THERE'S OTHER PROJECTS THAT YOU'LL FIND IN THE BUDGET BOOK UNDER PARKS CAPITAL PROJECT, LIKE THE RIVER DREDGING, UM, THAT PULLED A COMBINATION OF FUNDS TO MAKE HAPPEN.
UM, BUT IT REALLY, AGAIN, REPRESENTS A BROAD RANGE OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT IS A PARK.
UH, THESE ARE AREAS THAT COULD BE USED FOR RECREATIONAL, UM, AND SMALL WATERCRAFT IN THE CASE OF THE PETALUMA RIVER.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT KIND OF MAKES OUR PRO OUR CITY REALLY UNIQUE.
SO OVERALL, WE ARE PROPOSING, UM, A 5.4, UH, MILLION DOLLAR INVESTMENT IN OUR PARKS CAPITAL PROJECTS THIS YEAR.
UH, THAT'S ROUGHLY A BREAKDOWN OF WHERE THOSE PROJECTS ARE.
AND AGAIN, IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW WITH CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, THEY, THE PROJECTS ROLL OVER FROM YEAR TO YEAR.
SO YOU'LL SEE PROJECT FUNDS FOR DESIGN, FOR EXAMPLE, ROLLOVER, UM, AND CONSTRUCTION DOLLARS IN THAT YEAR.
THE COST WILL GO UP SIGNIFICANTLY.
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SKATE PARK, UM, WILL BE, UM, YOU KNOW, MOVED FROM ONE FISCAL YEAR TO ANOTHER.BUT YOU'LL SEE CONSTRUCTION DOLLARS LOADED IN THE YEAR THAT WE ANTICIPATE CONSTRUCTION.
SO THE BIG NUMBERS IS THE 5.4 MILLION BEING PROPOSED.
SO THIS IS A PIE CHART, KIND OF A VISUAL OF WHERE THOSE FUNDS SUPPORTING PARKS ESSENTIALLY COME FROM.
I THINK THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT 'CAUSE I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT MEASURE M UM, PARKS THAT WHILE WE OFTEN HEAR A LOT ABOUT MEASURE M AND WHAT IT'S FUNDING, YOU KNOW, 13% PERCENT OF THE OVERALL CAPITAL IS CRITICAL, BUT IT'S THE STORY THAT MEASURE M ALLOWS US TO TELL.
IT'S THAT LEVERAGE THAT YOU'LL SEE MEASURE M FUNDING, A LITTLE BIT OF A LOT OF PROJECTS.
SO IT'S, IT'S LIKE THE MINI WORKHORSE BEHIND A, PUSHING A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS FORWARD, UH, WHICH IS A TOOL THAT WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL FOR AND NOT HAS HAVE ALWAYS HAD.
BUT OVERALL OF THAT, UM, 5.4 13% IS, IS MEASURE M AS IT RELATES TO CAPITAL PROJECTS.
SO THIS PROPOSED NEXT YEAR'S MEASURE M THOSE OF THAT HAVE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION BEFORE YOU, YOU ROUGHLY SEE THE CAPITAL PROJECT EXPENDITURES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
SOME YEARS THAT CAPITAL WILL BE MORE, UM, THAN THE PARKS, MAINTENANCE SERVICES, AMENITIES, ENHANCEMENTS.
UM, SO THIS YEAR THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM WE'RE, UH, PROPOSING A 542,000, UH, TO BE SPENT ON CAPITAL.
THE, THE REST, THE 382,000, IS CRITICAL TO US ALLOWING TO INCREASE OUR MAINTENANCE LABOR.
WE, UM, THROUGH THESE FUNDS, WE HIRE, UH, SEASONAL MAINTENANCE STAFF.
UM, AND THIS PROGRAM ALSO ALLOWS US TO INCREASE OUR MULCHING.
WE DO, WE TALK NOW ALL PLAYGROUNDS OFF IN THE SPRING.
WE USED TO HAVE TO SELECTIVELY DO THAT.
WE ARE FUNDING OUR GRAZING PROGRAM, UM, A LOT OF THE MORE TREE WORK AND TREE CARE THROUGH THESE ENHANCEMENTS, WATER CONSERVATION UPGRADES AND SOME EQUIPMENT THAT WE NEED FOR, FOR TURF AS WELL.
SO NEXT WE'LL SHIFT GEARS TO TALK ABOUT THE FAIRGROUNDS, FAIRGROUNDS BUDGET IN PARTICULAR AND THE FAIR.
SO WE, WE KNOW, YOU KNOW, STRONG, STRONG COMMUNITIES THRIVE WHEN, UM, SPACES ARE NOT JUST PLACES TO MEET, BUT PLACES TO CONNECT, FEEL SAFE, CREATE SHARED MEMORIES, THE ABILITY AND SPACE TO ADAPT AND WELCOME DIVERSE USES, MAKE IT THAT HUB OF CONNECTION THAT WE ENVISION FOR THE FAIRGROUNDS THAT WE'VE BEEN, UM, ASKED BY THE COMMUNITY TO HELP INSTILL.
SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE FAIRGROUNDS OVER THIS LAST YEAR AND THE YEAR LOOKING FORWARD, WE, WE ARE REALLY SEEING IT, UM, THROUGH THIS KIND OF SLIDE, THIS LENS THAT WE HAVE.
WE, WE, WE HAVE A CALL TO CREATE MORE COMMUNITY PROGRAMMING ON THE PROPERTY.
THAT'S A COMMITMENT WE'VE HAD TO LOOK AT SPACES AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO BRING MORE PEOPLE ON TO EXPERIENCE, UM, THEIR PROPERTY.
WE ALSO HAVE A COMMITMENT TO SUPPORT SPECIAL EVENTS AND RENTALS THAT HAD EXISTED THERE AND HAS BEEN A BIG PART OF WHAT THE FAIRGROUNDS CULTURE HAVE BEEN.
AND THEN ALSO THERE IS SOME STABILITY AND INTERIM USES THAT WE'VE ALSO ASSURED THE COMMUNITY THAT WE ARE GOING TO MAINTAIN.
THERE'S NINE INDIVIDUAL TENANTS ON THE PROPERTY, AND THAT'S ANOTHER CORE AREA THAT WE, WE ARE FOCUSED ON ALL OF THIS.
UH, WE REINVEST IN PROPERTY AND MASTER PLAN.
AND, UH, WE LOOK FORWARD TO STARTING THAT MASTER PLAN THIS YEAR.
BUT THROUGHOUT THAT IS ALWAYS MAKING THESE LITTLE INCREMENTAL, UM, INVESTMENTS BACK IN THE PROPERTY TO ALLOW ALL THESE OTHER THINGS TO, TO THRIVE.
SO, MAJOR REPAIRS OVER THE LAST YEAR.
THIS ISN'T AN EXHAUSTIVE LIST BY ME ANY MEANS, BUT IT, IT REPRESENTS KIND OF A CITY WITHIN A CITY.
YOU'LL, YOU'LL HAVE ALL THE SAME RANGES OF ISSUES, UM, THAT WE FACE IN OTHER, UM, PROPERTIES.
BUT THE BIG ONES, WE, WE HAD A SEWER PUMP STATION REPLACEMENT.
WE'VE HAD SOME HVAC WORK DONE.
UM, ALL THE OTHER KIND OF NORMAL WEAR AND TEAR THAT WE'VE HAD TO ADDRESS, UM, BECOME MAJOR IF IT'S BECOME NEGLECTED.
AND, UM, THESE KIND OF REPRESENT SOME OF THE STUFF THAT WAS DONE THIS LAST YEAR.
THEN WE ALSO HAVE A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT, UM, COMPANY, UH, PARTNER THAT WE'VE WORKED WITH OVER THE YEAR.
THEIR ROLE IS TO REALLY WORK WITH US AND THE TENANTS.
THESE ARE THE FOLKS THAT ARE OPERATING THE, THE NINE SITE LICENSES.
THOSE ARE KIND OF MORE MINOR ROUTINE FACILITIES MAINTENANCE, BUT THOSE ARE KIND OF AN EXAMPLE OF THE, UH, THINGS AND PROJECTS THAT
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WE HAVE WORK BEEN WORKING ON WITH OUR PROPERTY MANAGER.SO WHEN WE LOOK AT PROGRAMMING AND EVENTS, THIS SLIDE REALLY JUST KIND OF SHOWS THE, THE VARIETY OF USES THAT WE'VE COME TO APPRECIATE AND ARE EXPLORING MORE OF ON THE PROPERTY.
WE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING AT PROGRAMMING AND EVENTS THROUGH THE LENS OF THE EIGHT GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT INFORM ALL OF THE DECISION MAKING AND THE PROCESS TO GET THERE REALLY ESTABLISHES HOW WE DECIDE AND ENGAGE A POTENTIAL USE.
YOU KNOW, THIS IN THIS COMMITMENT IS IN, IS TO CONTINUOUSLY ENGAGE WITH THE COMMUNITY.
UM, FOSTER LOCAL PARTNERSHIPS ENSURE THE CONTINUITY OF KEY EVENTS, WHICH I TALKED ABOUT.
I MEAN, THAT INCLUDES THE MUSIC FESTIVAL, THE FAIR BEING THE BIGGEST ONE, BUT ALSO THE CARNIVALS, UM, THAT, UH, THAT OCCUR DURING SPRING BREAKS.
UM, CELEBRATE PETALUMA'S AGRICULTURAL LEGACY.
THIS IS, YOU KNOW, HOW WE WORK WITH THE FOURTH EA TO HELP FOSTER SOME OF THEIR EVENTS THAT THEY ARE WORKING ON NOW, NOT JUST THE FAIR PROMOTE SAFETY, UM, WORKING THROUGH TO MAKE SURE THE PROPERTY'S ACCESSIBLE.
SUPPORTING EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS IS A BIG ONE.
UM, WE KNOW THIS PROPERTY SERVES A BIG ROLE IN ALLOWING, UH, CARE AND SHELTERING AS WELL AS, UH, OUR, OUR, OUR LIVESTOCK EVACUEES THAT COME DURING DISASTERS AND ALL TOGETHER JUST MAXIMIZING THESE, THESE BUILDINGS IN SPACE TO GET MORE PEOPLE ON THE PROPERTY FAMILIAR SO THAT WE CAN REALLY INFORM A GOOD, HEALTHY, UH, MASTER PLAN.
SO NOW WE KINDA SWITCH A LITTLE BIT AND TALK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE FAIR.
WE ARE EXCITED TO BE PARTNERING WITH THE FOURTH DISTRICT AGRICULTURAL ASSOCIATION.
THE, UH, STATE AGENCY THAT RUNS AND LONG HAS OPERATED THE FAIR GROUNDS.
UH, SO THEY ARE GONNA BE TAKING THAT PRIMARY ROLE RUNNING THE AGRICULTURAL PORTION OF THE FAIR, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY THE, THE REAL HEART AND SOUL OF THE FAIR.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM, UM, ENGAGING WITH THEM SINCE THE START OF THE YEAR REALLY TO REALLY MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THE AGRICULTURAL PORTION AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S GOING ON IN THE FAIR IS, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF SYNERGY THERE AND THAT WE'RE CONTINUALLY WORKING THROUGH, UM, ANYTHING THAT COMES UP SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A GREAT EVENT.
SO THE, THE CITY ITSELF HAS ORGANIZED, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT, UM, COMMITMENTS, WE'VE GOT ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OUTSIDE OF PUTTING ON A FAIR EVENT.
SO WE KNEW IT'S GONNA TAKE A LOT OF HANDS.
UM, THIS IS TOO BIG OF AN EVENT AND TOO IMPORTANT TO PUT ON ONE DEPARTMENT.
SO I MENTIONED, UM, YOU KNOW, CAT LEADING SOME OF THE SUBGROUPS, BUT I JUST GOING THROUGH THERE, THE GROUPS THAT REPRESENT ALL OF THE CITY SERVICES HAVE BEEN INVOLVED FROM PROGRAMMING, ENTERTAINMENT, OPERATIONS, LOGISTICS, SECURITY AND SAFETY PLANNING, TRANSPORTATION, FINANCE RISK.
IT'S REALLY BEEN A A QUITE REMARKABLE THING TO WATCH PEOPLE THAT HAVE PUT ACROSS, PUT APART, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO COORDINATE AND HELP, YOU KNOW, ROUTE CONTRACTS OR HELP TAKE, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, CREATIVE STEPS TO HELP SOLVE SOME, SOME NEEDS ON THE FAIRGROUNDS OUTSIDE OF THEIR DAY-TO-DAY ROLE.
IT REALLY HAS MADE THE CITY, UM, YOU KNOW, WORK MORE COLLABORATIVELY.
IT'S EASY TO GET OUTTA YOUR SILOS WHEN YOU HAVE A SHARED GOAL.
AND AFTER THE FAIR'S GONE, I THINK ONE OF THE LASTING LEGACIES IS THE STAFF HAS BEEN REALLY CONNECTED BY THIS EVENT.
AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO NOT JUST A GOOD FAIR, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT THOSE UNINTENDED BENEFITS ARE AFTER THE FAIR WHEN WE WORK TOGETHER ON THE NEXT PROJECT.
I WILL SAY, IF YOU DON'T ALREADY KNOW, JUNE 19TH THROUGH THE 22ND IS THE FAIR.
PUT THAT ON YOUR CALENDAR, PLEASE, UH, BUY TICKETS AHEAD OF TIME.
TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE PRESALE, UM, AND SHARE WITH ALL OF YOUR NETWORKS.
LOOKING AT THE FAIRGROUNDS REVENUES, WE ARE PRO OR EXPECTING 1.4 MILLION IN REVENUES FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR.
WE ARE EXPECTING ABOUT A 600,000 REVENUE OFFSET FROM THE ANNUAL FARE, UH, SPECIAL EVENTS.
THESE ARE YEAR ROUND EVENTS WE EXPECT, UH, JUST SHY OF 200,000.
AND THEN WE HAVE LEASE TENANT REVENUES REPRESENTED ABOUT 630,000.
SO KEEP AN EYE ON THAT NUMBER, THAT $1.4 MILLION REVENUE.
AND THE NEXT SLIDE YOU'LL SEE OUR EXPENDITURES ARE ESTIMATED AT 1.58.
SO ROUGHLY, YOU KNOW, THE REVENUES WILL
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OFFSET THOSE EXPENDITURES BY 1.4.THE BIG ONE HERE IS OBVIOUSLY THE, THE MILLION DOLLARS TO PRODUCE THE ANNUAL FARE.
UM, EXPECTING TO SPEND ROUGHLY 400,000 ON THAT EVENT.
AND AGAIN, WE'RE NOT HAVING DONE THIS.
WE'LL HAVE BETTER NUMBERS AFTER THE FAIR, BUT THIS IS, UM, OUR ESTIMATES, SPECIAL EVENTS.
WE, UM, EXPECT ABOUT 123,000 ON THIS.
AND THEN THE FAIRGROUNDS MAINTENANCE, UH, WE HAVE SET AT ABOUT 450,000.
SO AT THIS POINT I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE KAT REISINGER TO WALK US THROUGH THE LUMA ICE EVENT ITSELF WITH A FOCUS ON THE BUDGETS AND SOME OF THE PERFORMANCE METRICS THAT, UM, WE STARTED TO TOUCH ON.
DIDN'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION LAST TIME WE PRESENTED, BUT, BUT REALLY GONNA FOCUS MORE ON ON THAT EVENT IN PARTICULAR.
GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS COUNCIL MEMBER.
IT'S REALLY NICE TO SEE YOU ALL HERE THIS EVENING.
AND I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT LUMA ICE.
IT'S STILL VERY FRESH AND I THINK WE HEARD WE WERE DOING THE FAIR WHEN THE ICE WASN'T EVEN MELTED YET BACK IN JANUARY.
SO IT'S BEEN VERY EXCITING IN THE PARKS AND REC WORLD.
VERY BRIEFLY, 'CAUSE WE DID DO AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROGRAMMING HIGHLIGHTS.
BUT TO REFRESH EVERYONE'S MEMORY, THIS EVENT WAS FROM DECEMBER 13TH TO JANUARY 7TH.
OUR REAL ICE, OUTDOOR ICE SKATING RINK HAD 26 DAYS OF OPERATIONS, 312 HOURS OF FULL OPERATIONS.
WE HAD A TOTAL OF 11,443 TICKETS SOLD.
THAT NUMBER DOES NOT COUNT THE PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T PAY.
SO THAT'S YOUR GRANDPARENTS OR KIDS WHO DIDN'T COME, WHO JUST STOOD AROUND WATCHING OR CAME TO LUMA OR THE POLAR LOUNGE TO ENJOY A BEVERAGE OR JUST HANG OUT.
SO THAT'S, I'M PRETTY HAPPY ABOUT IT.
UH, WE HAD SOME NINE GLIDE AND GIVES NONPROFIT FUNDRAISING NIGHTS, SCHOOL FIELD TRIPS, PARTY TENT RENTALS, MUSIC, FOOD, AND WE HAD A NEW YEAR'S SAFE SKATE PROGRAM.
WE REALLY USED LUMA ICE AS A WAY TO DO LESSONS LEARNED FROM A LARGE, BIG EVENT THAT WE'VE NEVER DONE BEFORE.
WE LEARNED SO MANY THINGS FROM BEHIND THE SCENES ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESSES TO TRENDS FOR PARTICIPATION WITHIN THE PETALUMA COMMUNITY.
WHERE ARE WE NIMBLE AS A CITY? WHAT DOES OUR INFRASTRUCTURE LOOK LIKE? HOW CAN WE ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO PRODUCE SUCH A LARGE SCALE EVENT IN THE COMMUNITY? I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT A LOT OF THE LESSONS WE LEARNED FROM THE EVENT DOING LUMA ICE HAS MADE US ABLE TO BE ABLE TO PIVOT AND SUPPORT THE FAIR AND THE FOURTH DAA FOR THIS LARGE EVENT COMING UP NEXT MONTH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID LOOK AT IS YOUR ADVANCE TICKET SALES VERSUS YOUR POINT OF SALE TICKET.
SO THAT'S HOW MANY TICKETS ARE BOUGHT IN ADVANCE VERSUS WHEN PEOPLE COME THROUGH AND WALK THROUGH THE DOOR.
HIGHLIGHTING THAT 66% OF THE TICKETS SOLD WERE TWO PETALUMA RESIDENTS, BUT THAT HIGHLIGHTS ABOUT A THIRD THAT WE'RE NOT IN PETALUMA, WHICH WE'RE KIND OF PROUD OF.
THIS CHART SHOWS YOU A TREND OF DATA OF WHICH DAYS WERE BUSIER.
THE TREND DATA IS ACTUALLY NOT VERY SURPRISING.
IT HIGHLIGHTS THAT THE WEEKENDS WERE VERY POPULAR WHEN THERE WASN'T SCHOOL, SOME PEAKS RIGHT BEFORE THE ACTUAL HOLIDAY.
UH, BUT WHAT WAS REALLY NICE IS THAT WE DID SEE A PRETTY STEADY FLOW.
THE REALLY, THE QUOTE UNQUOTE WORST DAY OF SALES WAS, UM, ACTUALLY A DAY THAT WE HAD A LOT OF PRIVATE PARTIES, SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE SALES ON THOSE DAYS THROUGH THE TICKETING PLATFORM.
COMMUNITY ACCESS FOR US, AS WE OUTLINED IN THE ORIGINAL PRESENTATION, WE DIDN'T NECESSARILY BUILD LUMA ICE WITH THE INTENTION TO QUOTE UNQUOTE MAKE MONEY.
DO WE WANNA KEEP TRACK OF OUR FINANCES AND BE BEST STEWARDS OF, UH, FINANCIALS WHENEVER WE CAN.
BUT COMMUNITY ACCESS WAS REALLY ESSENTIAL TO US WHEN WE WERE PILOTING THE PROGRAM LIKE LUMA ICE.
IT REFLECTS OUR, OH NO, MY NOTES.
IT REFLECTS OUR MISSION TO SERVE ALL THE RESIDENTS AND ACTIVATE OUR PUBLIC SPACES FOR THE BROAD BENEFIT.
WE OFFER AFFORDABLE PROGRAMMING.
IT ENSURES INCLUSIVITY WHILE PROVIDING FUNDRAISING OPPORTUNITIES IN NEW SPACES LIKE THE ICE RINK TO HELP SUPPORT SCHOOLS AND NONPROFITS THESE TYPE OF EFFORTS BUILD TRUST, FOSTER COMMUNITY PRIDE, AND SHOW HOW PLACES LIKE THE FAIRGROUNDS CAN BE USED YEAR ROUND AND TO CREATE LASTING VALUE.
SO ON THE LEFT SIDE, YOU'LL SEE OUR FUNDRAISING NIGHTS THAT WE HAD FOR PARTICIPATIONS, WHERE DIFFERENT GROUPS GOT 15% OF THE TICKET SALES BACK TO THEIR GROUP AND ON THE RIGHT SIDE WHERE SOME OF OUR SPONSOR TICKET SAILED OR DIFFERENT GROUPS WHERE WE PROVIDED DISCOUNTED TICKETS OR ACCESSIBLE MEANS FOR PEOPLE
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TO BE ABLE TO COME AND SKATE.OVERALL, THIS IS OUR BUDGET BREAKDOWN LEFT SIDE, OUR EXPENSES RIGHT SIDE, OUR REVENUES, AND THERE WAS A NET COST OF A LITTLE OVER 320,000 AS YOU SAW FROM OUR PROPOSED FAIRGROUNDS BUDGET.
THIS YEAR'S FAIR IS ESTIMATED TO HAVE A NET COST OF 400,000 FOR THE FOUR DAY EVENT.
CONVERSELY, LUMA ICE EVENT HAD A NET COST OF 326,000 FOR A 26 DAY EVENT.
THE NET COST OF LUMA ICE WAS FUNDED BY OUR TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY TAX, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS THE TOT.
THIS FIRST YEAR IS REALLY PROVIDING US A GOOD FOUNDATION TO PRIORITIZE FOR THIS UPCOMING YEAR.
WE WILL RETURN BACK TO THE COMMISSION AND COUNCIL AT A LATER DATE ONCE WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO REEVALUATE HOW WE DID AT THE FAIR AS WELL AS WITH LUMA ICE AND ALL OF OUR EVENTS AND BUDGETS AND COME BACK AND PRESENT, PRESENT A RECOMMENDATION FOR NEXT YEAR.
WE HAD MULTIPLE PRIVATE GROUP AND PARTIES, INCLUDING FUNDRAISERS AND HOCKEY EVENTS THAT WERE REALLY EXCITING.
THERE'S 630 PARTICIPANTS OF KIDS WHO CAME SKATING DURING THE SCHOOL DAY FOR THEIR FUN FIELD TRIP EXPERIENCE.
THAT WAS DURING THE SCHOOL YEAR.
AND WHAT I THOUGHT WAS PRETTY INTERESTING IS WE ONLY HAD APPROXIMATELY THREE WEEKS TO MARKET SCHOOL FIELD TRIPS, AND WITHIN THREE WEEKS WE HAD 11 SCHOOLS CAME OUT AND MADE IT WORK WITHIN THEIR BUDGET IN A VERY SHORT TIMEFRAME TO COME OUT AND TRUST US TO PROVIDE THIS HOLIDAY EXPERIENCE THAT A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR THEIR KIDS.
I AM PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT THAT AND FAIRLY CONFIDENT THAT IF WE ARE, ARE ABLE TO DO LUMA ICE AGAIN, WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET EVEN MORE FIELD TRIPS FOR NEXT YEAR.
AS A REMINDER, LUMA ICE WAS MORE THAN JUST AN ICE RINK.
WE HAD A LOT OF OTHER EXPERIENCES, THE PUBLIC ART FUNDRAISING EVENT, FOOD NOT FESTIVAL, FENTANYL USE OF THE PUBLIC SPACE, AS WELL AS PARTNERING WITH THE PLAYLAND TO DO THE LUMA GLOW NIGHTTIME MINI SNOWBALL BATTLE ATTACK LASER TAG.
WE ALREADY WENT OVER THIS A LITTLE BIT AT THE LAST MEETING, BUT JUST THE FAIRGROUND WITH THE EVENT APPEAL TO ALL AGES HAS A SIGNIFICANT ADVANTAGE, ESPECIALLY FOR THE TEENS, A PLACE TO HANG OUT AND ENJOY THE HOLIDAY SEASON.
THE LOCATION WAS PRETTY FAVORABLY RECEIVED AND WELL VISIBLE AS WELL AS THE SPONSORSHIP OPPORTUNITIES ALONG EAST WASHINGTON.
SOMETHING NEW THAT'S COME OUT, UM, IS THAT WE'VE BEEN INVITED BY THE CALIFORNIA PARKS AND RECREATION SOCIETY TO PRESENT AT THEIR 2026 ANNUAL CONFERENCE ON, OH MY GOSH, WE WANNA DO AN ICE RINK.
WHAT DO YOU DO
THEY'RE INTERESTED IN HOSTING THEIR OWN ICE RINK FOR NEXT YEAR AND HAVE USED THESE SLIDES, DIFFERENT DATA POINTS, KIND OF MONITORING THE BOTH REPRESENTATIVES FROM BOTH OF THOSE TOWNS AND CITY CAME OUT, SAW OUR ICE RINK AND ARE INTERESTED IN BRINGING BACK TO THEIR OWN NEIGHBORHOODS, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS PRETTY COOL.
AND THEN THE, JUST A SEPARATE PLUG AGAIN, FOR BEING A HOLIDAY HIRING LOCATION, WE HAD 70 STAFF WORKING FOR US OVER THE HOLIDAYS, EARNING A NICE INCOME, BEING ABLE TO PARTICI PARTICIPATE OUT IN THEIR COMMUNITY, WHICH WAS REALLY FUN AND ENGAGING.
SO AT THIS POINT, JUST BACK TO YOU CHAIR WITH QUESTIONS.
SO WE'LL GO WITH CLARIFYING QUESTIONS.
UM, CODY, WE CAN START WITH YOU IF YOU HAVE ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS.
I KNOW KATE OVER HERE DOESN'T WANT ME TO ALWAYS START WITH HER.
SO, UH, I WAS WONDERING ABOUT, I I MAYBE JUST DON'T KNOW A LOT ABOUT THIS.
SO THE FAIR, HOW IT WORKED BEFORE WE WERE RUNNING IT.
SO THE, BEFORE WE WERE RUNNING IT, THE FAIR DIDN'T COST THE CITY ANYTHING, RIGHT? 'CAUSE UH, THE EXPENSE WAS TOTALLY ON THE GROUP THAT WAS RUNNING IT.
CORRECT? UH, UP UNTIL THE CITY'S MANAGEMENT, THE FAIR GROUNDS, UH, WAS MANAGED BY THE FOURTH DISTRICT AGRICULTURAL ASSOCIATION THAT RAN THE FAIR AND THEN, UM, AS WELL AS MANAGED THE EXISTING PROPERTY TENANTS YEAR ROUND.
SO DID THEY ALSO TAKE A A NET LOSS ON THE FAIR? YES.
WE'VE SEEN SOME OF THE FINANCES, I DON'T HAVE THOSE IN FRONT OF YOU, UM, BUT YES, THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS WERE, WERE LOSSES.
IT'S NOT BECAUSE WE'RE TAKING IT OVER, IT'S THE FAIR KINDA ALWAYS ENDS UP COSTING MORE THAN IT EARNS.
YEAH, I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T SAY ALWAYS.
I DON'T, I DON'T, I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHETHER THAT WAS ALWAYS THE CASE, BUT THERE'S ALSO JUST TRENDS AND, AND HOW FAIRGROUNDS AND ARE MANAGED THROUGHOUT THE STATE THAT YOU'RE ALSO SEEING, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST THIS FAIRGROUNDS, BUT FAIRGROUNDS IN GENERAL.
UM, STRUGGLE UNDER THAT, THAT MODEL OF, UM, YOU KNOW, HOSTING
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THIS EVENT FOR A PROFIT.SO THEN I'M GUESSING WITH LUMA ICE AND THEN ALSO WHEN THE FAIR HAPPENS, WE'LL HAVE A PRESENTATION BEFORE THE NEXT YEAR'S EVENTS.
UH, JUST SORT OF TAKEAWAYS OF HOW WE COULD IMPROVE FOR THE NEXT TIME.
IT'S, UM, THE COMMITMENT I THINK NOW IS, IS RIGHT, WE HAVE HAVE NOW DATA FROM LUMA ICE.
UM, WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH, UM, TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITIES, WORKING WITH THE FORTE TO, TO HOST A VERY SUCCESSFUL FAIR AND THEN PRESENT, YOU KNOW, HOW WE DID RIGHT.
WHAT, WHERE WERE THE NUMBERS, AND THEN HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS ON PRIORITIZING THESE LARGE SCALE SPECIAL EVENTS, LUMA, UH, MUSIC FESTIVALS, THE FAIR, WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE TO, TO, TO PUT INVESTMENT INTO.
AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION, AND AGAIN, I MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS WORKS, BUT THERE WAS 800,000 IN THERE I THINK FOR, UM, THE, UH, DREDGING.
SO IS THAT THE, IS THE DREDGING PAID FOR BY MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS OR IS THAT WHAT THEY PAYING PART OF IT? YEAH, THERE IS, UM, UH, FUNDING FROM THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS, UM, FOR CERTAIN PARTS OF THE RIVER AND AND THIS YEAR WE'RE, WE'RE COMPLETING A SECTION OF THE MARINA, UM, ESSENTIALLY THAT WE DIDN'T GET IN THE FIRST PASS.
UH, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT FUNDING SOURCES, BUT TYPICALLY IT'S A, IT'S A NUMBER OF FUNDING THAT GOES INTO THAT.
THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS, IT WAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST IMPETUS OF GETTING THE LAST FUNDING ROUND.
BUT THIS IS A PROGRAM THAT WE AS A COMMUNITY NEED TO, UM, YOU KNOW, BUILD A SUSTAINABLE MODEL TO, TO REGULARLY DREDGE MM-HMM
AND NOT LET IT GET TO A POINT WHERE WE'RE RELIANT ON A SINGLE GRANT SOURCE, UM, SO THAT WE CAN DO IT EVERY FIVE YEARS.
IT'S NOT ONLY ON THE PARKS AND REC BUDGET, RIGHT? THERE'S OTHER DEPARTMENT, NO MENTAL BUDGETS.
YEAH, IT'S NOT ON THE GENERAL FUND.
ANYTHING TO DO WITH REALLY THE PARKS AND RECREATION BUDGET.
I'M SORRY, COUNCILMAN DE CARLY.
UM, KIND OF TO EXPAND UPON THE FAIRGROUND NUMBERS THAT CODY MENTIONED, I, I THINK THE FOURTH DA USED TO MAKE MOST OF THEIR MONEY THROUGH RENTALS.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THE FAIR WAS ALWAYS MORE OF A COMMUNITY EVENT THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY WEREN'T AS INTERESTED OR DIDN'T MAKE AS MUCH MONEY ON, BUT, BUT DID THROUGHOUT THE YEAR WITH, WITH RENTALS AND STUFF, HOW ARE WE COMPARING TO, OR DO WE HAVE THEIR NUMBERS TO LOOK AT HOW, NOT NUMBERS PER SE AS FAR AS DOLLARS, BUT EVENTS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR? UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE HEARD TOO THAT THERE USED TO BE LOTS OF, UH, EVENTS IN THE HISPANIC COMMUNITY OUT THERE AND NOW THERE'S NOT NEAR AS MANY IF, IF HARDLY ANY AT ALL.
I THINK THERE WAS SOME RECENTLY, BUT OTHERWISE NONE.
SO HOW, HOW ARE WE COMPARING EVENT-WISE TO WHAT, WHAT WAS DONE BEFORE AND THEN HOW IS IT THAT THOSE DISAPPEARED IF THEY DID OR DIDN'T? YEAH, I WOULDN'T SAY, UM, ANY, UM, YOU KNOW, ANY PARTICULAR EVENT, UH, FOR LATINX COMMUNITY HAD DISAPPEARED.
WE RUN THE SAME, UM, TYPES OF RENTAL VENUES THAT THE FORT DID.
UH, THERE WERE ARE LESS IF, IF THE COMMENT IS RELATED TO THE RODEOS EVENTS THAT USED TO OCCUR.
UM, WE DID HAVE A RODEO EVENT, UM, RECENTLY.
UH, WE'VE BEEN ENGAGING WITH THEM.
THERE'S SOME WORK TO DO, UM, ON HOW THAT EVENT WAS ORGANIZED.
WE DID GET A LOT OF CALLS, UM, YOU KNOW, NOISE CONCERNS, NON-COMPLIANCE ISSUES, SOME CLEANUP AND DESTRUCTION OF PROPERTY.
SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THOSE TYPES OF EVENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN WORK WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF WHAT WORKS WELL FOR THE PROPERTY AND NOT HAVE THOSE NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON THE NEIGHBORS.
UM, BUT THERE'S NOT, YOU KNOW, UM, A GROUP BY ANY MEANS THAT NO LONGER HAS ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY OR IS PUTTING ON ANY EVENTS.
BUT THE RODEO ONES WERE IN PARTICULAR, IF THAT'S THE COMMENT.
YEAH, IT'S NOT AN ACCESS THING, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, HAVE THEY FOUND OTHER VENUES OR PLACES TO USE? BECAUSE I MEAN, BESIDES THE RODEOS, THERE USED TO BE CONCERTS, QUINCEANERAS, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT THOSE SORT OF THINGS GOING ON YEAR ROUND.
AND I THINK THAT WAS ACTUALLY WHAT HELPED THE FOURTH DA KEEP THINGS CASH POSITIVE OVER THERE.
WAS WAS MOST OF THOSE EVENTS FROM THAT COMMUNITY.
YEAH, WE, WE STILL HOST QUINCEANERAS.
WE STILL HOST, UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE TYPES OF RENTALS.
UM, THOSE ARE REALLY IMPORTANT.
UM, WHEN YOU HAVE, YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF OF LARGE VENUE SPACE IN PETALUMA.
SO HERS ALCOHOL, FOR EXAMPLE, IS STILL, UM, BOOKED REGULARLY FOR THOSE TYPES OF SPECIAL EVENTS.
UM, SO THOSE ARE CONTINUING, UH, WE HOST A LOT AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER AS WELL.
WE'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THOSE TYPES OF EVENTS.
THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF, UM, REPAIR AND WORK TO BE DONE
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TO THE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE ON THE PROPERTY.UM, SO, YOU KNOW, HVAC, ELECTRICAL, YOU KNOW, MOLD REMEDIATION AT BEVERLY C. WILSON FOR EXAMPLE, THAT THE WORK HAS TO BE DONE.
UM, SO WE ARE DOING THAT TO REINVEST IN THE PROPERTY SO THAT WE CAN HOST MORE OF THOSE EVENTS, UM, THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE PROPERTY OF THE NINE TENANTS.
ARE THE, THE RENTALS, UM, ARE THE RATES MORE OR LESS THE SAME AS BEFORE? ARE THEY DIFFERENT, HIGHER, LOWER? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
I'M GONNA PUT KAT ON THE SPOT HERE, BUT THIS HAS BEEN REALLY INTERESTING BECAUSE YEAH, WE STARTED WITH, YOU KNOW, REALLY TRYING TO FIND BENCHMARK COMPARABLES, WHICH WERE REALLY HARD TO DO BECAUSE THE FAIRGROUNDS IS PRETTY UNIQUE.
UM, SO YOU COULD GO DOWN TO THE MARIN COUNTY FAIR, YOU COULD GO UP TO SONOMA COUNTY, BUT THEN THERE'S REALLY HARD TO TELL LIKE FOR LIKE, SO WE PRIMARILY JUST STARTED WITH THE SAME RENTAL FEES THAT THE FOURTH DISTRICT AGRICULTURE WAS 'CAUSE WE FIGURED THAT WAS THE MARKET.
UM, BUT THEN KAT MAYBE YOU WANNA START WITH YEAH, I'D BE HAPPY TO JUMP IN.
ANY LESSONS LEARNED IN THE YEARS PAST, KIND OF WHERE WE FALL OUTSIDE OF THOSE RENTAL AREAS? YEAH, DEFINITELY OUR, UM, RENTAL RATES FOR THE QUINCEANERA AND JUST LIKE THE INDIVIDUAL SPACES ARE PRETTY MARKET READY, COMPARABLE, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT THE FOURTH DAA WAS DOING.
I THINK A BIG PIECE ON THOSE REALLY LARGE SCALE EVENTS.
'CAUSE WE, YOU KNOW, TOOK OVER OPERATING THE PROPERTY LAST JANUARY, WE DIDN'T MAGICALLY HAVE 50 EVENTS STAFF WHO COULD START SUPPORTING THOSE EVENTS RIGHT IN JANUARY TO BE ABLE TO HOST A RODEO WEEKEND EVENT.
IT TAKES A LOT OF SUPPORT INTERNALLY FROM THE STAFF TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THAT EL ELEMENT AND BE ABLE TO SUPPORT IT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S SAFE FOR THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS DOESN'T IMPACT THE COMMUNITY USES THAT ARE ALREADY ON THE PROPERTY THAT WEREN'T THERE WHEN WE HAD THE, WHEN THE FOURTH DA HAD THE SPACE.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, WITH THAT WE HAVE WRESTLING ON SATURDAY MORNINGS.
WE HAVE BALI FOLKLORE PRACTICE AND WE HAVE A SOCCER CLASS AND THERE'S ONE OTHER PROGRAM THAT'S THERE ON SATURDAY MORNING.
SO IF WE HAVE THE RODEO THAT EVENING, WE HAVE TO CANCEL THOSE PROGRAMS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE RODEO ON SITE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE EVENT SET UP.
SO THIS YEAR, THAT WAS A PRIORITY GOAL OF OURS TO START HOSTING THE MEXICAN CONCERTS AND RODEOS.
WE HAD TWO, ONE IN MARCH, ONE IN APRIL, AND WE'RE WAITING RIGHT NOW AS WE'RE GETTING READY FOR THE FAIR.
AND WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE SLATED FOR JULY, AUGUST, SEPTEMBER AS WELL AS THE CIRCUS IS COMING, ANOTHER BOUNCY THING IS COMING.
WE HAVE A FEW DIFFERENT EVENTS AS WELL IN TERMS OF THE RATES FOR HOW WE COMPARE TO THE FOURTH DAA.
THERE IS NOT A STANDARD RATE THAT THE FOURTH DAA USE CONSISTENTLY.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU WERE SOMEONE COMING IN TO RENT THE CARNIVAL LAWN AND YOU WERE A CIRCUS, YOU MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN CHARGED ONE RATE AND A DIFFERENT CIRCUS OFFERING THE SAME THING MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN CHARGED A DIFFERENT RATE.
THERE'S NOT CONSISTENT COMPARABLES FOR US.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TAKE THE AVERAGE THAT WORKS FOR BOTH INDUSTRY COMPARABLES AS WELL AS WHAT WORKS WITH HONORING THE HISTORICAL LEGACY OF THE FAIRGROUNDS TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO STILL CREATE ACCESSIBLE SPACES AND NOT PRICE PEOPLE OUT OF THE MARKET, BUT ALSO COVERING THE COST THAT IT'S GONNA COST US TO BE ABLE TO HOST THE EVENT AS WELL.
SO I, I KIND OF HEARD A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH THAT IT WE'RE ABOUT MARKET NOW.
IS THAT WHAT IT IS? OR, OR SOME IT DEPENDS ON WHICH COMBINATION THEREOF.
IT DEPENDS ON WHICH SPACE YOU'RE LOOKING AT FOR WHAT DAY AND FOR WHAT TIME.
NOW THE CARNIVAL LAWN IN NOVEMBER IS NOT GONNA BE A VERY HIGH LEVEL, HIGH ATTRACTIVE SPACE.
SO WE'RE GONNA REDUCE THE COST OF THAT BECAUSE IT'S NOT GONNA BE A BEAUTIFUL SUNNY DAY TO BE OUT THERE.
SO WE'RE A LOT LOWER MARKET RATE FOR THAT.
BUT IN THIS WEEKEND FOR EXAMPLE, THIS CAN BE REALLY NICE.
WE COULD CHARGE MORE FOR IT IF WE WANTED TO.
'CAUSE ONE, ONE OF THE THINGS I'D ALWAYS HEARD ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHY PEOPLE LIKE TO RENT DIFFERENT VENUES AT THE FAIRGROUNDS WAS BECAUSE THEY WERE GENERALLY A LOT CHEAPER THAN OTHER PLACES IN TOWN.
AND I THINK THAT WAS PART OF THE DRAW TO THEM.
UM, AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, WHAT GOT THEM SO MANY EVENTS AND MADE THEM, YOU KNOW, SUSTAINABLE THAT WAY.
SO I APOLOGIZE IF I WAS UNCLEAR WHEN I SAY MARKET RATE, MY COMPARABLES ARE TO OTHER MUNICIPAL OWNED FAIRGROUND FACILITIES AND OTHER, LIKE IF YOU WENT TO CITY OF RAFAEL, CITY OF NEVADA OR THE FAIRGROUNDS STAN MARIN COUNTY.
MY MARKET RATE COMPARABLE WHEN I USE THAT TERM, I'M NOT REFERENCING LIKE THE POLY CLASS THEATER OR THE CINEMA BAR THEATER OR OTHER PRIVATELY OWNED AREAS.
I'M LOOKING AT OTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCIES.
UH, WE'RE GONNA GO BACK TO COMMISSIONER CHISHOLM.
I I, IT'S KIND OF A QUESTION AND I WANNA POINT IT OUT.
I'M TALKING TO DREW, UM, ABOUT THE FAIRGROUNDS TODAY.
IT SOUNDS LIKE WHEN WE TOOK IT BACK OVER, THERE WERE PROBABLY A LOT OF MAINTENANCE ISSUES THAT HAD GONE UNADDRESSED FOR A LONG TIME THAT WE'RE NOW DISCOVERING THAT HAS TO HAVE THAT EXTRA WORK BECAUSE IT WASN'T DONE RIGHT.
THINGS THAT NEED TO GET FIXED THAT HA HADN'T BEEN, UM, WHICH ADDS TO THE COST OF THINGS.
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PLUS I'M GUESSING THAT, UM, THE LAST GROUP, THE 40 A WHO RAN IT, THEIR COSTS ARE PROBABLY NOT THE SAME AS OUR COST TO DO THE SAME THINGS BECAUSE OF OUR, WE'RE A CITY ORGANIZATION.IS THAT TRUE? YES, THAT'S, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE GIST.
I I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT FORTE IS STILL, YOU KNOW, STATE AGENCY THAT HAS STAFFING BEING THEIR BIGGEST COST.
SO IN THAT CASE, WE'RE VERY SIMILAR, YOU KNOW, UH, WHETHER YOU'RE CITY OR STATE, YOU, YOU ALL HAVE BENEFITS AND THESE ARE BENEFITED POSITIONS.
SO IN THAT CASE, YOU KNOW, LABOR IS STILL THE BIGGEST COST.
THERE, WE KNEW, YOU KNOW, IN THAT FIRST YEAR, UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF, UH, DEFERRED MAINTENANCE THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED FOR US TO NOT JUST MAXIMIZE THE USE OF THE PROPERTIES, BUT BUT FOR SAFETY.
SO THE QUESTION WITH EACH ONE OF THOSE IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BEING GOOD STEWARDS OF THE, OF THE PUBLIC FUNDS IN MAKING THE REPAIRS THAT ARE CRITICAL FOR SAFETY, BUT STOPPING SHORT OF DOING, YOU KNOW, BIG CAPITAL PROJECTS, UM, THAT REALLY WOULD HINDER FUTURE MASTER PLANNING.
SO WE WE'RE TRYING TO THREAD THAT NEEDLE TO, TO MAKING THE PROPERTY, UM, SAFE, ACCESSIBLE, WELL USED, WELL LOVED, BUT NOT CHANGING, UM, FOOTPRINTS NOT DOING A LOT OF SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENTS UNTIL THE MASTER PLAN CAN PLAY ITSELF OUT.
SO WE'RE IN THE BEST EXAMPLE WOULD BE LIKE THE RIVER PARK.
WE'RE IN A TEMPORARY PHASE RIGHT NOW WHERE UNTIL COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IS DONE, ALL WE CAN DO IS REALLY MAINTAIN WHAT IS BECAUSE OF FUTURE CHANGES THAT WE JUST DON'T KNOW.
AND THEN CONTINUING TO ENGAGE THE FOURTH DA AS THEY, YOU KNOW, FOCUS ON THEIR MISSION OF SUPPORTING AGRICULTURAL, UM, AND EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS. THAT'S A CRITICAL PARTNERSHIP TOO.
UM, WITH YOUR EXAMPLE AT THE RIVERFRONT OR, UH, RIVER PARK IS, YOU KNOW, THOSE STAKEHOLDERS THAT HELP INFORM THE MASTER PLAN, RIGHT? HAVING TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT THEY ARE PART AND INCLUDED IN THE PROGRAMMING ON THE PROPERTY TOO.
IS THERE ANY SORT OF TIMELINE ON WHEN THIS BECOMES PERMANENT CHANGES AND NOT, UH, TEMPORARY FIXES? THERE'S NO TIMELINE OTHER THAN THE, THE THREE TO FIVE YEARS IS WHAT WE, UH, COMMITTED TO WHEN WE, UH, ADOPTED THE KIND OF GUIDING PRINCIPLES, WE ARE KICK-STARTING THE MASTER PLAN AT THE END OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR.
AND I THINK AT THAT POINT WE'LL HAVE A BETTER SCHEDULE OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
I'M SO USED TO SAYING COMMISSIONER 'CAUSE I USED NO, ANYHOW.
I I'M JUST CURIOUS TOO, HOW HOW MUCH OF THE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE AT THE FAIRGROUNDS WAS A SURPRISE BECAUSE I, AS I RECALL, UM, BEFORE THE DA'S CONTRACT ENDED, UM, THE CITY WAS THERE MULTIPLE TIMES PERFORMING, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT, UM, DIFFERENT INSPECTIONS, ASSESSMENTS OF THINGS, REPORTS, IT'S, SO HOW, HOW MUCH OF THE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE WAS A SURPRISE? UM, THAT'S HARD TO ANSWER.
I WOULD SAY A GOOD DEAL OF IT.
UM, WE DIDN'T HAVE A, AS-BUILTS WE DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF PLANS TO GO WITH.
UH, WE WERE GIVEN KIND OF SOME REPORTS FROM THE FORT DA THAT WAS DONE THROUGH KIND OF A, AN INSURANCE ASSESSMENT ON A LOT OF THE BUILDINGS.
BUT IT'S A LOT OF WHAT YOU CAN'T SEE REALLY THAT WE LEARNED STARTING JANUARY ONE, UM, WITH A LOT OF THEIR SEWER AND WATER CONNECTIONS FOR EXAMPLES.
THAT'S BEEN A BIG PORTION OF IT.
WE ALSO, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY THROUGH THE COURSE OF A YEAR, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT, WHERE IT FLOODS, RIGHT? WHERE YOU HAVE ISSUES HERE, IT KIND OF TAKES YOU A YEAR, YOU KNOW, TO SEE WHICH BUILDINGS GET REALLY HOT, WHAT DOESN'T WORK WHEN, SO YOU'RE LEARNING EVERY DAY, EVERY WEEK.
SO IT'S HARD TO SAY, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH OF A SURPRISE, I WOULD SAY MUCH OF IT YOU CAN JUST TELL RIGHT? WHEN YOU KNOW, A BUILDING NEEDS PAINT OR YOU KNOW, YOU'VE BEEN IN SOMEWHERE THAT, THAT ISN'T CLIMATE CONTROLLED.
BUT A LOT OF IT IS THE STUFF YOU CAN'T SEE, THE PIPES, THE SEWERS WHERE EVERYTHING IS CONNECTED TO THE RESTROOM SYSTEMS. UH, THE FAIRGROUNDS IS SO UNIQUE IN THAT IT'S KIND OF A, A QUILT THAT WAS BUILT OVER TIME.
UH, AND THAT'S HOW, UM, IT, IT JUST TAKES TIME TO UNRAVEL, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS BUILT WHEN AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED VERSUS WHAT WE SHOULD JUST BE AWARE OF AND WAIT FOR THE FUTURE MASTER PLAN.
COMMISSIONER BERTELLI, UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
I DON'T THINK ABOUT THE FAIRGROUNDS.
YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN VERY THOROUGH.
UM, I WAS JUST WONDERING, UM, I KNOW LAST YEAR I BELIEVE WE MADE SOME, SOME EQUIPMENT, SOME LARGE EQUIPMENT PURCHASES FOR PARKS MAINTENANCE.
I WAS WONDERING IF, IF THAT'S ANYTHING LIKE THAT IS ON THE COUNT ON THE, UH, HORIZON FOR THIS YEAR.
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YEAH, THANK YOU.UH, SO WE ARE EXPECTING OUR ELECTRIC UTILITY TRACTOR.
I THINK THAT'S THE LAST BIG PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT.
AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS ALMOST FULLY FUNDED THROUGH GRANTS.
UM, WE HAVE THE COMPACT UTILITY KUBOTA THAT WAS, UM, SUPPORTED AND PURCHASED.
WE HAVE THE ATTACHMENTS FOR THAT TO DO OUR VARIATION WORK.
WE DID LOSE TWO, UM, UTVS IN THE, THE MAINTENANCE SHED THAT HAD BURNED DOWN.
SO, UH, THOSE ARE FINALLY, I THINK NOW HAVE ARRIVAL DATES.
UM, WE'LL PUT KAT ON THE SPOT.
I DON'T WANNA KEEP LOOKING AT YOU, BUT, UM, WELL, I'M HOPING THAT YOU'RE GONNA MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THEIR NEW HOME OR OFFSITE HOME.
UM, FAIRGROUNDS BEING, UH, AN IMPORTANT PART OF, YOU KNOW, A HUB FOR OUR MAINTENANCE CREWS.
THEY HAVE A BIG THIRD OF THAT BACK AREA IS A, IS A MAINTENANCE YARD.
AND, AND WE ARE PRESSED FOR SECURE INDOOR SPACE TO BE ABLE TO PUT VEHICLES.
WE'RE REALLY LACKING NOT HAVING SPACE AT LUC CASEY OR ANYWHERE OUTSIDE THE CORP YARD TO MOVE EQUIPMENT ACROSS TOWN.
SO THAT'LL BE A BIG BENEFIT FOR, UM, OUR MAINTENANCE CREWS.
SO THAT WAS A SIDE BY SIDE AND A-U-T-V-I BELIEVE THAT WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR.
UM, BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, I THINK WE HAVE A COUPLE OF GREEN MOWERS.
THEY'RE NOW UP TO I THINK 60 INCH DECKS.
SO THEY'RE NOT THE LARGE GANG MOWERS, BUT, UH, WE HAD A PURCHASE IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, SO WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING GOOD.
WE FIRE WAS A SETBACK, BUT WE, WE ALMOST HAD IT.
UM, BUT I THINK WITH THOSE REPLACEMENTS, WE, WE WERE LOOKING PRETTY GOOD.
WAS THE, FOR THE TENANTS, UM, DID YOU INCLUDE LIVE OAK INTO THE FISCAL YEAR 26 AND WHAT IS, HOW MORE ON THAT PLEASE,
UM, THIS QUESTION ACTUALLY CAME UP.
YES, WE DID INCLUDE LIVE OAKS KIND OF REVENUES KNOWING THEY'RE GONNA BE MOVING OUT.
BUT WHEN YOU FACTOR IN THE COSTS OF MANAGING THAT PROPERTY WITH NOT JUST THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT, BUT THE CONTINUAL REPAIR FACILITIES, MAINTENANCE, THE, WE LOOKED AT THAT AS KIND OF LIKE AN OFFSET.
AND WE SAID WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH KEEPING THAT NUMBER IN AS A MARKET FOR FUTURE REVENUES, WHICH WE'LL LOOK TO DO.
SO WE THINK WE CAN HIT THAT SAME, SAME NUMBER AND ACTUALLY NOT HAVE TO SPEND AS MUCH ON THE, ON THE MAINTENANCE THAT WE DID THE FIRST YEAR.
AND ARE THERE IDEAS ABOUT WHO WILL FILL THAT SPACE OR IS IT GONNA BE A COUPLE YEARS OF IT SITTING VACANT? IS IT, YOU KNOW, NO, NOT, WHAT'S THE OUTLOOK THERE? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
WE, WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANT IT TO SIT VACANT.
THERE'S A HUGE COMMUNITY NEED.
WE DO GET ASKED IN INQUIRIES ABOUT THE SPACE QUITE OFTEN.
UM, TO BE HONEST, WE ARE, UM, REALLY COMMITTED TO THE FAIR AND WE'RE HESITANT TO DO KIND OF SITE TOURS REALLY UNTIL AFTER THE FAIR.
BUT THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE STARTING TO HAPPEN.
UM, BUT WE REALLY WANT TO SEE HOW THE SCHOOL DISTRICT MANAGES THE MOVE OUT, WHAT, WHAT THOSE CONDITIONS ARE AT THAT POINT.
AND THEN REALLY START ENGAGING FOLKS ON, ON GETTING, GETTING USES IN.
NO, I I JUST TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
SO SOMETHING IN THE FIRST YEAR OF STEWARDSHIP ON THE PROPERTY THAT WE REALLY DID LEARN ABOUT THE LARGE SCALE EVENTS IS THAT THEY ARE REALLY, REALLY IMPACTFUL FOR TENANTS ON THE FAIRGROUNDS, ESPECIALLY A SCHOOL ENVIRONMENT WHERE IT WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, PERSONALLY CHALLENGING TO WORK THROUGH EVERYTHING BECAUSE IT WAS HARD AS A SCHOOL LOCATION OR REGULAR TENANTS.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THESE LARGE, LARGE EVENTS WHERE GENERALLY BEER, WINE IS SERVED AS WELL.
SO THERE MIGHT BE SOME SHENANIGANS HAPPENING AS WELL AND TRYING TO KEEP THE SPACES SAFE AND SECURE.
SO WE'RE BEING VERY MINDFUL AND THOUGHTFUL.
UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF INQUIRIES FOR USE OF THE SPACE AND WE'RE DEFINITELY GONNA, SOMETHING'S GONNA HAPPEN FOR SURE, LOTS OF IDEAS, BUT JUST ALSO BEING VERY MINDFUL THAT WHAT WE DO BRING INTO THE PROPERTY, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT UNINTENTIONALLY ENDS UP COSTING US EX EXPONENTIALLY AMOUNT OF DOLLARS LATER TO JUST MANAGE THEM.
'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY A FIT.
EXCUSE ME, FOR THE WHOLE PLAN OF THE REST OF THE FAIRGROUNDS.
UM, I KIND, I TRIED TO ORGANIZE MY QUESTIONS.
UM, ARE THE PARKS AND REC FUNDS BEING SHARED WITH THE FAIRGROUNDS OR THE FAIRGROUNDS HAVE THEIR OWN OPERATING BUDGET, RIGHT? CORRECT.
FAIRGROUNDS HAS ITS OWN OPERATING BUDGET.
UM, BUT DID I HEAR YOU SAY THAT LUMA ICE WAS PAID WITH THE TOT FUNDS?
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YES.THAT'S PARKS FUNDS, RIGHT? NO, IT'S, UH, IS IT ALL, THAT'S WHY I'M CLARIFYING YEAH, CLARIFYING BOTH
TOT IS A, A SPEC, WELL, SPECIAL REVENUE MM-HMM
THAT THE CITY HAS AND IT'S USED TO ON A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT, UH, FUNDING SOURCES.
IT CAN BE USED THROUGH BLOCK GRANTS, THROUGH NONPROFITS.
IT COULD BE USED FOR ANY SPECIAL PROJECT.
IT'S JUST ANOTHER REVENUE SOURCE THAT THE CITY COLLECTS.
SO IF I'M HEARING YOU CORRECTLY, MAYBE THERE'S A POOL OF MONEY OF THE TOT FUNDS THAT GETS SEPARATED, IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN? IT GETS SEPARATED INTO DIFFERENT AREAS OF BUDGETS.
EV EVERY YEAR YOU'LL HAVE THOSE REVENUE SOURCES AND THEY GET PROGRAMMED OUT.
AND TOT IS ONE OF THOSE SPECIAL REVENUES THAT YOU COULD, YOU COULD CONSIDER.
THERE'S PORTIONS OF DISCRETIONARY FUNDING WITHIN THAT.
SO THERE ARE SOME REVENUES THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO PROGRAM IT OUT COMPLETELY.
MEASURE M IS AN EXAMPLE OF THAT TOO.
TO SOME DEGREE WE, WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA SPEND THIS MUCH ON THOSE CAPITAL, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT A BUCKET OF MONEY THAT SAYS, WELL, WE KNOW, YOU KNOW, THE WOOD CHIPS ARE GONNA COST US THIS EQUIPMENT, THIS, BUT YOU WANNA KEEP SOME ASIDE FOR THINGS LIKE THIS THAT YOU CAN USE WHEN A SHED BURNS DOWN OR YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO FUND A PROJECT THAT MAY NOT BE RIGHT.
UM, SO THE, THE FAIRGROUNDS THOUGH IS, IS GOING TO RUN OUT OF DEFICIT THIS YEAR, RIGHT? YES.
UM, AND THEN IN THAT, UM, I GUESS THIS IS GONNA SOUND, I DON'T MEAN THIS HOW IT'S GONNA SOUND, BUT I GUESS IT'S JUST A QUESTION.
SO IT'S THAT THAT BUDGET ISN'T BALANCED BECAUSE IT'S RUNNING AT $180,000 DEFICIT ON THAT ONE.
LIKE WHERE IS THAT MONEY GONNA COME FROM? DOES THAT, I, I THINK MY MAIN QUESTION IS, IS THAT $180,000 GONNA COME FROM PARKS AND RECREATION? AM I, AM I READING THIS ALL RIGHT? YEAH.
NO, IT'S NOT GONNA COME FROM A PARKS AND RECREATION.
IT IS GONNA COME FROM PUBLIC FUNDS.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THOSE, UH, DISCRETIONARY SPECIAL REVENUES.
UM, IT'S REALLY UP TO RIGHT, US TO PRESENT BACK, HEY, THIS IS HOW WE BALANCE THE BUDGET.
AND THEN YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF WAYS TO DO THAT, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA GONNA BE TAKEN OUT OF A PARKS AND RECREATION BUDGET.
UM, THERE WAS THAT ONE SLIDE THAT WAS TALKING ABOUT THE, THE SINGLE TIME, UM, THIS IS BACK TO PARKS AND RECREATION ABOUT, UM, SINGLE FUNDED THINGS, LIKE A LAWNMOWER OR SOMETHING.
BUT IN THERE YOU HAD MENTIONED THE MONEY THAT YOU SPENT ON THE INTENSE GOPHER ABATEMENT, AND THEN IN THE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAD VERBALLY MENTIONED THAT, BUT THEN IN THE NEXT SENTENCE THAT WAS PRINTED, IT SAID THAT GO FOR ABATEMENT WOULDN'T BE AFFECTED.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS GO FOR ABATEMENT STILL ON THE BUDGET? GOOD QUESTION.
WHEN YOU, YOU GO OUT THERE AND TALK TO YOUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS, UM, TO CLARIFY.
WE, WE KNEW THIS WAS A NEW SERVICE FOR US.
UM, SO WE LOOKED AT IT AND WE SAID, WE ARE GONNA, WE HAVE TO RIGHT INCREASE, GO DO AN INTENSIVES IN THESE PARKS FOR THE FIRST YEAR, AND AFTER THAT WE CAN GET ONTO A ROUTINE SCHEDULE, BUT WITHOUT THE INTENSIVES, WE WOULD NEVER CATCH UP TO A POINT THAT THERE WAS SO MUCH NEED.
SO WE KNEW THAT, AND THAT'S WHAT I MEANT THIS, SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE GOPHER PROGRAM STILL EXISTS.
WE NOW ARE MANAGING IT AND BEING FLEXIBLE TO MOVE AND PIVOT AS WE SEE BIGGER.
BUT WE'RE NOT DOING INTENSIVES IN SO MANY PARKS WE WERE IN THE FIRST YEAR.
UM, DID YOU SAY THAT WE HAVE 29 POSITIONS STAFFED RIGHT NOW? 29 FUNDED POSITIONS IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET IN NEXT YEAR'S.
SO THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE FROM LAST YEAR.
BECAUSE, I MEAN, 'CAUSE THE BUDGET IS, UH, $300,000 LESS.
UM, HOW ARE WE, HOW, I MEAN, IT'S PURE CURIOSITY.
LIKE HOW ARE WE FUNDING THOSE ADDED POSITIONS? LIKE WHAT, HOW ARE WE MAKING UP THAT REVENUE TO FUND THE POSITIONS? YEAH.
WELL, IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER WE ARE NOT, UM, WE ARE NOT A FULL COST RECOVERY, UM, DEPARTMENT NOR THIS PARKS AND RECREATION, UM, OH YEAH.
SHOULD BE, LET ME CLARIFY MY QUESTION.
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HOW DO WE HAVE THAT MANY PEOPLE WHEN OUR BUDGET DECREASED? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? OR IS IT JUST THAT MAYBE THERE ARE AN OFFSET OF ONE-TIME COSTS? YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO CLARIFY.WE, WE HAVE SO MANY, SO CERTAIN AMOUNT OF FUNDING POSITIONS TO DO THE WORK THAT WE ARE COMMITTED TO DOING.
SO SOME OF THOSE INCREASES ARE RELATED TO CITY TAKING ON AN AQUATICS PROGRAM, FOR EXAMPLE.
AND THEN THERE WILL BE COST RECOVERY TO SOME DEGREE FOR SOME OF THOSE, NOT FULL RECOVERY, BUT SOME THEN WITH THE FACILITIES MAINTENANCE, WE'RE SLOWLY CATCHING UP TOO.
UM, BUT SOME OF THAT FUNDING IS TIED TO THE FAIRGROUNDS.
SO THERE'S A POSITION THAT LIVES IN UNDER THE PARKS AND RECREATION FACILITIES POSITION THAT HAS FUNDING TIED TO REVENUES COLLECTED FROM THE FAIRGROUNDS, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA NEED FACILITIES MAINTENANCE ON THE FAIRGROUNDS.
UM, BUT OVERALL, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CITY'S REVENUES AND NEED TO BALANCE OUT EACH YEAR.
UM, THE LAST THING WE DO IS CUT STAFF.
WE CAN, CAN THROTTLE EVERYTHING ELSE FIRST.
AND SO THIS IS, OOPS, THIS IS A PROPOSED BALANCE BUDGET TO DO THAT, UH, WITH THE REVENUES THAT WE SEE COMING FROM ALL THESE OTHER SOURCES.
UM, AND SO DOES THAT MEAN THAT LIKE PARKS IS PARKS AND REC NOW FULLY STAFFED? I MEAN,
IT DEPENDS ON WHAT WE TAKE ON, YOU KNOW, NEXT.
UH, I WILL SAY I'M VERY PROUD AND HAPPY.
THIS, THIS BUDGET REFLECTS, YOU KNOW, OUR CRITICAL NEEDS YEAH.
UM, BUT THEN I ALWAYS EXHALE TO SAY, OKAY, AND WHAT'S NEXT? MM-HMM
UM, YOU KNOW, A PANDEMIC, A FIRE, THINGS LIKE THAT HAPPEN.
BUT FROM WHERE WE'VE COME, UM, EVEN SINCE 2021 WHEN WE THEN UNIFIED AS A DEPARTMENT, I MEAN, YOU'VE, YOU'VE BEEN THERE.
THIS IS A, IT'S A VERY PROUD MOMENT FOR US TO SEE US DOING A FULL ARRAY OF THE PROGRAMS THAT I THINK ALWAYS WE'RE GONNA SERVE THE CITY AND BE FUNDED AT THE LEVEL WE ARE.
UM, AND SO THERE ARE, UM, I DON'T KNOW, YOU CAN LET ME KNOW IF THIS IS THE PLACE WHERE I SHOULD ASK THE CLARIFYING QUESTION.
'CAUSE IT DOES HAVE TO DO WITH THE BUDGET, BUT IT ALSO HAS TO DO WITH LAPSE SWIMMING FEES.
WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO ASK IT NOW OR WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO ASK IT, COMMISSIONER COMMENTS LATER? Y YEAH, WE, UH, WE DON'T HAVE, UM, A FEE SCHEDULE YET TO PRESENT FOR LAPSE, SO IF YOU WANNA SAVE IT FOR THE COMMENTS, UM, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE BEST.
I DON'T HAVE THAT ANSWER FOR YOU.
WE'LL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT THEN.
UM, BEFORE WE MOVE ON, IT SOUNDS LIKE COUNCILMAN DE CARLY HAS ANOTHER CLARIFYING QUESTION.
WE, WE'LL GO COUNCILMAN, AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK TO COMMISSIONER.
WE'LL GET ALL THE, THE QUESTIONS OUT BEFORE WE GO TO A LOT OF QUESTIONS TONIGHT.
UM, SO I, I WAS CURIOUS THAT, THAT, JUST TO EXPAND UPON THE CHAIR, THAT DEFICIT FOR THE FAIRGROUNDS, UM, WHICH, WHICH FUND DOES THAT COME FROM? IS IT, IS IT A MIX OF THEM OR IS IT ALL FROM THE GENERAL FUND, OR DOES SOME OF IT COME FROM ENTERPRISE OR, YEAH, WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T BE ENTERPRISE.
UM, UH, THE BEST WAY TO SAY IS PROBABLY GENERAL FUND.
GENERAL FUND IS, UM, IS A COMBINATION OF A NUMBER OF REVENUES THAT ALL FUND, GENERAL FUND SERVICES.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE BUCKET I WOULD PUT IT IN THAT OFFSETS, YOU KNOW, GENERAL FUND FUNDS, THE STAFFING FOR THE MAJORITY OF OUR, OUR SERVICES.
UM, BUT I DON'T, I CAN'T SAY THERE'S ONE REVENUE SOURCE THAT WOULD FUND THAT GAP PARTICULAR.
SO IT, I ALWAYS SAY IT GENERAL FUND CAPTURES THEM ALL.
AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY TOO, UM, WITH, WITH LIVE OAKS LEAVING, AND YOU SAID THEY ARE INCLUDED IN REVENUE FOR, FOR THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT DO WE FORECAST US COLLECTING REVENUES FOR THAT PROPERTY, WHEN WE LOOKED AT WHAT WE, WHAT WE, UM, RECEIVED VERSUS WHAT WE PAID IN MAINTENANCE FOR A SCHOOL, WE SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, LOOKING THROUGH ALL THOSE NUMBERS, OUR FINANCIAL TEAM SAID, YOU KNOW, KEEP THAT BENCHMARK AS THE REVENUES, BECAUSE IF WE GOT A PROPERTY IN THERE, OR A, A MULTITUDE OF USES THAT WE COLLECTED LESS RENT, WE FORECAST SPENDING LESS MAINTENANCE.
SO WE CONSIDER, WE WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE AN OFFSET.
THE, WE'LL SEE, UM, WE'LL HAVE AN UPDATE MORE.
SO WHEN WE EITHER BRING TENANTS ONTO THE PROPERTY OR HAVE SPACES THAT WE CAN EARN REVENUES, I THINK WE'LL UPDATE, UPDATE THAT FORECAST.
BUT FOR NOW, WE USED THAT, THAT NUMBER AS THE LIVE OAK RENT ESSENTIALLY.
AND, AND HOW MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE WOULD THAT MAKE IN REVENUE
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TO EXCLUDE IT FROM, FROM THERE? BECAUSE I, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW OFTEN SCHOOLS ARE LOOKING FOR NEW HOMES.UM, THAT SEEMS LIKE IT'S HARD TO, IT'S A HARD FIT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T, I MEAN, THAT COULD TAKE A COUPLE MONTHS, MAYBE FIVE YEARS, I DON'T KNOW.
YOU KNOW, SO HOW, HOW MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE DOES THAT MAKE IN, IN REVENUE? YEAH.
I, I DON'T WANT TO GIVE YOU A NUMBER, BUT I FEEL LIKE THERE WAS AN OFFSET AROUND 50,000.
WAS IT, IS THAT RIGHT? UM, BUT AGAIN, I DON'T WANT YOU TO HANG ON THAT NUMBER TOO MUCH BECAUSE THAT WAS AN OFFSET OF NOT JUST THE REVENUES COLLECTED, BUT THE MAINTENANCE THAT WE PUT IN.
UM, YOU'RE RIGHT, IT IS CHALLENGING.
THAT'S A CHALLENGING SITE FOR A SCHOOL IN PARTICULAR WITH EVERYTHING ELSE GOING ON.
SO THERE'S ALSO GONNA BE THE PETAL IN THE CITY SCHOOLS ARE GONNA BE REMOVING SOME OF THE, THE PORTABLES ON THE SITE TOO.
THEY'RE GONNA BE USING THEM FOR SCHOOLS.
SO THE CAMPUS WILL LOOK A LITTLE DIFFERENT AND THERE MAY BE SOME OPPORTUNITIES NOT TO USE IT AS A SCHOOL, BUT, YOU KNOW, PORTABLES AND INDOOR SPACE IN THE CENTER OF TOWN ALSO HAS, HAS A LOT OF VALUE.
SO WE JUST DON'T REALLY KNOW YET, UM, UNTIL THE MOVE OUT HAPPENS.
AND THEN YOU CAN REALLY KIND OF, THE FAIR HAPPENS AND THEN YOU CAN START HAVING TO, THE DESK WILL SETTLE AND YOU'LL SEE WHERE THE MARKET KIND OF LANDS.
I CAN'T BELIEVE I FORGOT THIS.
I HAVE IT UNDERLINED AND STARRED AS THE FIRST NOTE.
IT IS NOT JUST KENNELWORTH, IT IS MISSING
ARE WE HOPING IT'LL BE ON 26 27? WHERE ARE WE AT WITH THAT? YES, THANK YOU.
THIS CAME UP, UH, DURING BUDGET AS WELL.
THE, THE KENNELWORTH REVITALIZATION PLAN IS STILL IN THE BUDGET BOOK.
IT DOES NOT HAVE FUNDING FOR CONSTRUCTION THIS COMING YEAR.
WHAT WE HAVE, UH, KNOW NOW IS WITH THE KICKOFF TO THE FAIRGROUNDS MASTER PLAN, THAT 30% CONCEPT, WHICH WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT, UM, SHOWING WITH THE COMMUNITY, THAT'S WHERE IT NEEDS TO STAY UNTIL THE FAIRGROUNDS MASTER PLAN THAT CAN LOOK AT INCORPORATING A LOT OF THE OTHER ELEMENTS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THAT DESIGN, THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS, HOW IT FEEDS INTO THE FRONT PORTION OF THE FAIRGROUNDS.
SO WHILE WE WERE OUT IN FRONT AND, AND SHOWING US WHAT THAT VISION IS FOR THE PROPERTY, I STILL AM VERY CONFIDENT THAT EXPANDING NOT JUST THE PARK FOOTPRINT, BUT EXPANDING INTO THE TEEN CENTER, UH, THE KENNELWORTH DRIVE, I STILL FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO, ESPECIALLY AFTER THE OUTREACH STEERED US IN THAT DIRECTION.
BUT NOW THAT WE'VE DONE THAT, IT'S TIME TO GET THE FAIRGROUND MASTER PLAN STARTED AND THEN HAVE KENWORTH PARK BE A PART OF THAT, AND THE WORK THAT WE DID TO HELP FIGURE OUT HOW THE CONSTRUCTION AND THE FUNDING WOULD WORK FOR THIS PROJECT.
SO WE'RE COMMITTED NOT TO LOOK AT THAT PROJECT AND, AND DISSECT IT OR, YOU KNOW, TAKE IT OFF AND PHASE IT QUITE YET.
WE'RE GONNA GET THE FEEDBACK THROUGH THE FAIRGROUNDS AND DETERMINE WHAT'S THE BEST NEXT STEP.
YOU THOUGH, DOUBLE, DOUBLE UNDERLINED AND START.
SO I THINK THAT, UH, COVERS OUR CLARIFYING QUESTIONS.
UM, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
UM, ON THIS, IT WAS A PRESENTATION.
DO YOU WANT OUR FEEDBACK? I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY HOW MUCH IT AFFECTS A BUDGET DISCUSSION.
YEAH, I, WE ALWAYS ARE OPEN TO INPUT.
WE GET A LOT JUST FROM THE QUESTIONS, SO WE'RE KEEPING NOTES ON THAT.
UM, APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATIONS SO FAR, BUT COMMENTS.
WE'LL TAKE THOSE AND INPUT AS WELL.
'CAUSE COMMISSIONER CHISHOLM, YOU'RE UP.
UM, I APPLAUD PARKS AND REC FOR, UH, NOT ONLY HANDLING ON THE STATUS QUO RESPONSIBILITIES, BUT HAVING SO MANY MORE ADDED RECENTLY WITH THE SAME AMOUNT OF STAFF MOSTLY.
UH, AND ON TOP OF THAT, TAKING ON ALL THESE NEW PIONEERING PROJECTS, ALL THESE UNKNOWNS TO SEE IF THEY WILL WORK OR NOT, THE FAIR AND LUMA ICE AND ADDING TO THE GRAZING PROGRAM.
UM, SO JUST GOING WAY ABOVE AND BEYOND.
AND I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, DATA THAT'LL TAKE MORE THAN A YEAR LESSONS THAT'LL TAKE MORE THAN A YEAR TO LEARN.
UM, SO THERE'S A LOT GOING ON AND, UH, YOU KNOW, BRAVO FOR, FOR DOING THAT.
MY ONLY ASK IS, YOU KNOW, DILIGENCE AND ALWAYS, UM, YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME WE HAVE SOME DATA, REALLY, UH, ANALYZING THAT, TAKING AWAY, YOU KNOW, THE FAIR MAY NOT MAKE A PROFIT, BUT HOW CAN, WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR WAYS TO MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE PROFITABLE.
LUMA EYE IS THE SAME GRAZING PROGRAM.
ALL THESE THINGS, ALWAYS DILIGENCE IN HOW WE CAN IMPROVE AND REFLECTING.
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TO SEE, UM, AS THE TIME GOES ON AND WE HAVE MORE DATA, UH, MORE IN DEPTH, UM, TAKEAWAYS AND PLANS FOR HOW TO CONTINUE TO IMPROVE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.UH, I JUST WANNA ECHO, UM, COREY'S COMMENTS BECAUSE I THINK THAT THIS HAS BEEN A, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON THIS YEAR.
A LOT OF NEW STUFF, A LOT OF VERY BIG STUFF.
I MEAN, THAT FAIRGROUNDS IS NO JOKE,
AND I THINK FOR YOU GUYS TO, TO PICK UP THAT, UM, LARGE ASK AND INCORPORATE IT INTO EVERYTHING ELSE THAT YOU'RE ALREADY DOING IS, THAT'S, IT'S A LOT.
AND I THINK FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE DOING A VERY GOOD JOB.
I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF UNKNOWNS.
THERE'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF UNKNOWNS WITH A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE DOING, BUT YOU CAN NEVER FIND THOSE THINGS OUT UNLESS YOU DO THEM AND, AND GET THE INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED, UM, TO SEE IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S FEASIBLE FOR THE FUTURE, OR IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO CONTINUE DOING.
SO I APPLAUD BOTH THE, THE WILLINGNESS TO TAKE ON THESE THINGS AND TO TRY NEW THINGS, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THE GROWTH OF THE CITY AS A WHOLE.
AND JUST THE FACT THAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN MANAGING EVERYTHING FROM WHAT I CAN SEE VERY WELL.
COMMISSIONER GREENSPAN, MY COMMENTS WERE ALONG THE SAME LINES AS THE PREVIOUS TWO COMMISSIONERS.
I JUST, MY HEAD SPINS WHEN I THINK ABOUT HOW MUCH YOU HAVE ALL TAKEN ON THIS YEAR.
IT'S, IT'S, I'M LIKE, DREW, ARE YOU OKAY? I'LL TAKE OVER MEGAN'S JOB WORRYING ABOUT THAT.
UM, BUT YEAH, I'M JUST SO IMPRESSED BY ALL OF THE, THE NEW KIND OF INNOVATIVE FORWARD THINKING PROJECTS AND PROGRAMS THAT ARE HAPPENING.
AND I'M JUST EXCITED TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE FAIRGROUNDS.
I'M ALSO LIKE HOPING THAT AFTER THE SUMMER YOU GET JUST TO BREATHE A LITTLE BIT BEFORE WE GO INTO LUMA ICE IN THE WINTER AND EVERYTHING.
UM, BUT YEAH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO.
UM, CHAIR WAS, WAS THAT COMMISSION COMMENT OR WAS THAT PERTAINING TO THE ITEM? UM, OH, THIS IS FOR, UM, COMMENTS PERTAINING TO THIS ITEM.
LATER WE'LL GO THROUGH THE ACTUAL OKAY.
BECAUSE I DID HAVE A COMMENT AFTER.
UM, I AM VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE FULL STAFF AND WE'VE HAD A LOT OF STAFF CHANGEUPS TOO.
SO EVEN TO HAVE THAT FULL STAFF, UM, DEFINITELY WHEN I CAME ON THIS COMMISSION FOUR YEARS AGO, IT, IT WAS, UM, UH, KIND OF HEARTBREAKING, HONESTLY.
UM, I AM, UM, I AM NOT CONCERNED ABOUT LUMA ICE SO MUCH.
I MEAN, I REALLY, I, I TRIED TO FIND SOME, YOU KNOW, I WENT TO SAXES AND TALKED TO, YOU KNOW, I WENT UNDERCOVER.
UM, AND THEY WERE STOKED TO BE PARTNERS AND THEY REALLY, YOU KNOW, THEY WENT AND THEY TALKED TO THE PEOPLE UP AT WINDSOR AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND THEY HAVE FULL FAITH LIKE THAT IN, YOU KNOW, NEXT YEAR IT'S GONNA BE JUST AS GOOD AND BY THREE YEARS IT'LL BE MAKING A PROFIT.
AND, AND I WOULD SAY THAT ANY BUSINESS WHEN IT STARTS IT, IT'S DIFFICULT TO MAKE THAT PROFIT.
SO I GIVE YOU A LOT OF CREDIT FOR TRYING IT.
I THINK TOO, WITH THE FEEDBACK, ESPECIALLY JUST THE ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF FEEDBACK, IT SEEMS LIKE BOTH SAXES AND THE CITY GOT ON, LIKE, HOW TO CHANGE UP PROGRAMMING AND HOW TO, LIKE, HOW, LIKE WHO KNEW THAT THERE WAS GONNA BE THAT MUCH HOCKEY INTEREST? SO I, I AM NOT CONCERNED, NOT THAT I'M ALL OF PETALUMA, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, I, I, I DO HOPE THAT PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO LOOK AT LUMA ICE AS A THING THAT WILL GROW AND, AND BE REALLY GREAT.
UM, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT POOL COSTS, BUT WE'LL TALK ABOUT THOSE LATER, UM, AND HOW THAT KIND OF IS RELEVANT TO OUR BUDGET.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, AS ALWAYS, PARKS MASTER PLAN AND WE'RE, AND WITH THAT, I THINK THAT CLOSES OUT.
NO MORE COMMENTS, RIGHT? ANYBODY WANNA SECOND MY PARKS MASTER PLAN? UM, YES.
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UH, GOES THROUGH THAT.[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
MOVE ON TO, UH, ITEM NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES.DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY, UH, CHANGES OR COMMENTS ABOUT THE MINUTES FROM THE MEETING OF APRIL 16TH, 2025? NO.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? I MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR APRIL 16TH, 2025? I'LL SECOND.
CAN WE TAKE A, UH, HAND RAISE VOTE OF APPROVING CLERK? EVERYONE WHO APPROVES SAY AYE.
AND WITH THAT, WE HAVE APPROVED THE MINUTES FOR APRIL 16TH, 2025.
[COMMITTEE COMMENT]
TO COMMITTEE COMMENT.UM, I WILL START AGAIN ON MY LEFT WITH COMMISSIONER CHISHOLM.
UH, LAST WEEK WE HAD, LAST WEEK, YEAH, WE HAD A RIBBON CUTTING FOR, UM, THE ART OF JOHNNY'S, UH, MURALS ON LYNCH CREEK TRAIL, UH, WHICH IS JUST ONE MORE EARLY STEP IN MAKING THAT TRAIL REALLY BEAUTIFUL, SAFE, A DESIRABLE, UH, ROUTE AROUND TOWN.
UH, AND ALSO NOW YOU CAN WALK ALL THE WAY ON THE OTHER TRAIL TO PENN GROVE, RIGHT? SO, UH, ONCE WE GET THE, UH, CONNECTOR, UH, ALONG THE RIVER WITH THE ENHANCEMENT PROGRAM FROM SCHOENBERGER ALL THE WAY TO THE RIVER PARK AND OVER, UM, IT'LL BE REALLY COOL AND TO, UH, GET TO WALK ACROSS THE WHOLE TOWN ALL THE WAY TO THE NEXT TOWN.
UM, AND ON THE FAIRGROUNDS AND THE FAIR, I, THIS MORNING COMPLETED THE FINAL ROUGH DRAFT OF THE GATE WE WILL BE MAKING FOR THE FAIRGROUNDS AT THE FAIR.
COUNCIL, I TURNED, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WAS, I MADE THAT BACKWARDS.
UM, I JUST, I HAD SOMEBODY APPROACH ME THE OTHER DAY ABOUT THE SWAP MEET THAT HAPPENED AT THE FAIRGROUNDS AFTER, UM, AMERICAN GRAFFITI AND MENTIONED THAT, UM, HE HAD SEEN AND HEARD OF A COUPLE MORE, YOU KNOW, ABOUT FIVE DIFFERENT PEOPLE WHO HAD TRIPPED AND FALLEN.
THERE WERE SOME PRETTY SEVERE RUTS OUT ON THE MAIN LAWN.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH THE FAIR COMING UP, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A PLAN TO ADDRESS THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH THAT MANY PEOPLE THAT JUST ONE PERSON KNEW OF TRIPPING AND FALLING OR NEARLY GOING DOWN, UM, IS, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE'RE, WE'RE DOING ABOUT THAT? SO, TO, SO TO CLARIFY, THANK YOU.
SO THIS IS AT THE CARNIVAL LAWN.
IS IT THE MAIN CARNIVAL LAWN? YES.
THERE'LL BE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT WE WILL NEED TO DO ON THE PROPERTY OF AHEAD OF THE FAIR IF THERE ARE EVER SAFETY ISSUES, CONCERNS THAT ARE BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION, ABSOLUTELY.
AS SOON AS YOU KNOW THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE IN A UNIQUE POSITION, ESPECIALLY YOU'RE SITTING ON COUNCIL TOO, THAT, UM, PEOPLE WILL COME TO YOU, UH, TO SHARE WITH YOU WHETHER YOU WANT THEM OR NOT TO.
BUT ANYTHING THAT, UH, IS A SAFETY ISSUE, WE WANNA PUT EYES ON THAT RIGHT AWAY.
SO, UM, MAKE SURE YOU JUST SEND THAT TO US SO THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, SEND IT OUT.
IN THIS CASE, WE, UM, WE'RE GONNA BE PUTTING A LOT OF KIND OF SOIL THROUGH THE CARNIVAL LAWN IN AREAS IN THE COMING WEEKS.
UH, IRRIGATION'S BEEN OFF, SO THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE OUT THERE, BUT SEND THIS TO US RIGHT AWAY.
UM, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING MAJOR OTHER THAN JUST US.
I RIDE AROUND THE CITY AND JUST, YOU KNOW, LIVE LIFE IN PETALUMA.
I'M REALLY NOTICING THAT THE PARKS ARE LOOKING A LOT BETTER OVERALL.
I MEAN, JUST IN GENERAL, IT SEEMS LIKE THE STANDARD IS, IS MUCH HIGHER FOR PRETTY MUCH EVERY PARK THAT, THAT I'VE SEEN IN TERMS OF JUST THE, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, THE DRIVE-BY, YOU KNOW, GLANCE IN TERMS OF THE MAINTENANCE, HOW NEAT IT LOOKS, THE TURF BEING MOWED, THE TURF BEING MOSTLY GREEN INSTEAD OF MOSTLY BROWN
AND, UM, JUST THINGS LOOKING A LOT MORE PRESENTABLE.
AND SO I APPRECIATE THAT AND I'M SURE, UH, THE CITIZENS IN PETALUMA ALSO APPRECIATE THAT.
SO THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GREENSMAN.
I THINK MAYBE LAST TIME I FILLED IN, UH, THE COMMISSION ON THE DRAFT, DRAFT ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN THAT IS VERY MUCH ALMOST FINALIZED, I BELIEVE, AND ON ITS WAY TO COUNCIL SOON, WHICH IS REALLY EXCITING.
UM, HOPEFULLY THERE CAN BE SOME COMMUNICATION AND KIND OF CROSS POLLINATION HAPPENING WITH WHICH PARKS HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, THESE REALLY ACTIVE ROUTES TO AND
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FROM AND, UM, CONNECTING PARKS AND, UM, OTHER, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE FAIRGROUNDS FOR EXAMPLE.UM, AND I ALSO WANTED TO RECOGNIZE, UH, COMMISSIONER MEGAN KELLY, WHO ISN'T HERE TONIGHT, BUT THIS WOULD'VE BEEN OUR FINAL MEETING.
AND I THINK JUST RECOGNIZING HER COMMITMENT TO THIS COMMISSION AND PUBLIC SERVICE, AND JUST WANNA TAKE A LITTLE MOMENT TO RECOGNIZE HER EVEN THOUGH SHE'S NOT HERE.
SO THANK YOU MEGAN, FOR EVERYTHING, WHEREVER YOU ARE,
UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
I COULD TOTALLY, NO, I'M JUST KIDDING.
I ACTUALLY THOUGHT WE HAD ONE MORE MEETING, BUT WE DON'T BECAUSE WILL WE HAVE ONE MORE MEETING WITH HER? WE HAVE OUR REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING IN JUNE FALLS THE NIGHT BEFORE THE FAIR.
SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE NOT, IT'S NOT LIKELY THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO HOST THAT MEETING, UM, IN ALL HONESTY.
THIS WOULD BE MEGAN'S LAST MEETING, EVEN THOUGH I, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SAID THAT BEFORE AND MEGAN JUST KEEPS COMING BACK
BUT I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO THANK MEGAN.
UM, SHE REALLY, REALLY, UH, I'M, I'M SURE I SPEAK FOR, UM, COMMISSIONER GREENSPAN AS WELL, BUT WE CAME ON, UM, AND SHE REALLY HELPED US, LIKE UNDERSTAND THE LAY OF THE LAND, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, SHE JUST DOES TREMENDOUS SERVICE FOR THE CITY.
SHE KNOWS EVERYBODY KNOWS A LOT OF HISTORY.
MY COMMISSIONER COMMENTS, UM, PRINCE PARK, PRINCE PARK MAN, THAT PARK LOOKS GREAT.
I HAVE TO SAY, THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE WITH ALL OF THE GOPHER ABATEMENT, UM, IT, LIKE, FOR ONCE, THERE AREN'T HUGE HOLES, LIKE THEY'VE BEEN FILLED, WHATEVER IT ARE YOU GUYS DOING, THAT TURF MANAGEMENT, THE ORGANIC TURF STUFF THERE.
IT'LL BE A FEW YEARS UNTIL WE GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE WANT, BUT YEAH, IT'S, IT STARTED, NO, I MEAN, IT REALLY, IT, I MEAN, I'M THERE WITH MY DOGS AND SO I WALK THAT FIELD LIKE, YOU KNOW, LAPS AND LAPS AS THE DOGS PLAY.
AND SO IT REALLY DOES LOOK GOOD.
IT JUST, IT, IT'S AMAZING THE DIFFERENCE IN A YEAR OR SO MONEY WELL SPENT ON THAT.
UM, THE ONLY NOT GREAT THING, AND I DIDN'T EMAIL YOU BECAUSE I JUST LEARNED ABOUT IT, IS THAT LAST WEEKEND, UM, SOFTBALL HAD THEIR AWARDS CEREMONY.
AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, PARK STAFF WAS OUT THERE FIXING EVERY SINGLE SPRINKLER, RIGHT? SO ALL OF THEM WORKED PERFECTLY, AND THEN A WOMAN DROVE HER TRUCK OVER THE SPRINKLERS AND THEY'RE BROKEN.
I WAS REALLY, REALLY DISAPPOINTED.
UM, AND THE PERSON ACTUALLY SAID, YOU KNOW, WHY ARE YOU DRIVING YOUR TRUCK? LIKE, ONTO THE LAWN? THIS IS WHERE ALL THE SPRINKLERS WERE.
AND, AND HER RESPONSE WAS, YOU KNOW, THE BOX IS HEAVY AND SHE COULD, COULD ASK FOR HELP, BUT SHE DIDN'T.
BUT, UM, SO RIGHT IN FRONT OF LIKE THE SNACK SHACK, IF YOU'RE FACING, UM, TO THE RIGHT, THERE'S LIKE FOUR OF 'EM BROKE.
UM, I KNOW, I MEAN, EVERYBODY KNOWS THERE'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE TRUCKS ON THERE.
UM, BUT SO SORRY TO BREAK THAT, BUT IT, I JUST LEARNED ABOUT IT.
UM, SO ONTO, UM, INCREASES IN, IN SWIMMING COSTS, UM, THEN I'VE BEEN CONTACTED BY LAPSE SWIMMERS THAT THE, THE RATES ARE GOING UP AROUND 30%, UM, ACROSS THE BOARD.
UM, AND THAT WAS, UM, A, A SHOCK TO THEM.
UM, IS THAT HOW THEY'RE GONNA GO UP OR IS THAT JUST FOREVER'S PRICES OR IS THAT GOING TO BE THE CITY'S PRICES TOO? IT'S A LITTLE TOO EARLY TO TELL.
UH, WE ARE HAVING INTERNAL MEETINGS, UM, THIS WEEKEND AND NEXT TO TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE OUR COST RECOVERY NEEDS TO BE FOR THE POOL.
UM, I WILL SAY, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE, THE COSTS THAT WERE SET FOR FOREVER DID NOT INCREASE FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
SO SOME OF THAT MIGHT BE DUE TO SOME CATCH UP MM-HMM
UM, BUT I THINK IT'S MORE IMPORTANT TO KNOW INSTEAD OF IT'S A 30% INCREASE, BUT WHERE DOES THIS POOL STACK UP AGAINST REGIONAL POOLS AND WHAT IS OUR OPERATING COST TO RUN A YEAR ROUND POOL? SO WE NEED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION KIND OF AS A YEAR ROUND PROGRAM MM-HMM
UM, WHICH WE HAVEN'T HAD, UM, IN MORE THAN 10 YEARS SINCE WE'VE OFFSET THE, THE PROGRAMMING AND THE FEES TO A THIRD PARTY.
SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING THOSE CONVERSATION.
I CAN'T TELL YOU IF IT'S GONNA BE 30%, I WOULD EXPECT IT TO BE INCREASING MM-HMM
BECAUSE COSTS OF MAINTAINING AND MANAGING RULES HAVE, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND IS THAT, LIKE, IS THAT GOING TO DO THE, THE TEAM,
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SO THERE'S TWO SWIM TEAMS THAT RENT, IS THAT GOING TO BE THEIR CASE TOO WITH AN INCREASE OF DOUBLE DIGITS? COULD, IS THAT WHAT WE EXPECT TO SEE TOO? YEAH, AGAIN, I THINK IT'S TOO EARLY.I THINK IT, IT HAS TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THOSE GROUPS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY LANES WE NEED, WHAT ARE THOSE PRIMARY HOURS OF USE.
UM, ALL OF THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE FACTORED IN.
AND WE'RE EXCITED TO SHARE IN THAT THOSE, AGAIN, THOSE FINANCIAL COSTS WERE REALLY JUST STARTING WITH TARA ON BOARD AND, AND KAT AND I BEING ABLE TO PUT SOME TIME AND EFFORT INTO WORKING WITH OUR TEAM, AND WE WANT TO PRESENT SOMETHING THAT'S REALISTIC AND SUSTAINABLE IN YEAR ONE, UM, SO THAT WE CAN HIT, HIT THOSE TARGETS.
BUT WE UNDERSTAND, AND WE, WE DON'T WANNA SURPRISE ANYONE.
SO WE'RE GONNA BE ENGAGING WITH THOSE GROUPS.
IT IS ALWAYS INTENDED TO BE A PUBLIC POOL.
SO WE ALSO ARE MINDFUL OF THAT BALANCE BETWEEN OFFERING AFFORDABLE PROGRAMMING AND MANAGING A POOL THAT RECOVERS SOME COSTS.
I, I MEAN I, WHEN I THINK ABOUT THAT, I THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF THE RATES GO UP TOO MUCH, THEN IF THE TEAMS LEAVE IN THE WINTER, LIKE LAP SWIMMING, IT WOULDN'T COVER THAT MONEY.
AND SO HOW THAT, LIKE, THAT'S A CONCERN THAT AT LEAST I'M THINKING OF BEING LIKE, UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO LIKE TO LAP SWIM, BUT I'M, MY GUESS IS, I DON'T KNOW, LIKE THAT THE LAP SWIM FEES COLLECTED ARE FAR LESS, I WOULD THINK, THAN TEENS RENTING IT.
YES AND NO THERE, THIS IS A VERY DEEP CONVERSATION.
WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT TARA AND I HAVE BEEN VERY ACTIVELY WORKING ON MAKING SURE WE'RE COMPARING ALL THE LOCAL POOLS, ALL THE SWIM TEAMS THAT ARE AROUND.
TARA IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE CPRS OF CALIFORNIA PARKS AND RECREATION SOCIETY, UM, AQUATICS, UM, AS WELL AS BPO A FOR BAY AREA PUBLIC POOL OPERATORS ASSOCIATION.
ARE YOU THE PRESIDENT FOR THAT TOO? YEAH, SHE AM THE PRESIDENT FOR THAT.
SHE'S ALSO THE PRESIDENT OF ANOTHER REALLY COOL MOTORCYCLE RIDING CLUB.
BUT, UM, UH, BUT SO WE ARE DEFINITELY MAKING SURE THAT WE WILL BE DOING INDUSTRY STANDARD RESEARCH, SO WE'RE NOT PRICING INDIVIDUALS OUT OF THE MARKET.
BUT WHAT I WILL SAY WITH A, UM, TO PUT IT INTO PERSPECTIVE, IF THE TEAM OR A LAPSE MEMBER WAS ONLY BEING CHARGED $6 AND IT GOES UP BY $2, THEY'RE LIKE, OH, IT'S A 40% INCREASE AND YOU'RE STILL ONLY PAYING $8 WHEN THE DROP IN FEE DOWN THE ROAD IS $15.
SO I WANNA BE MINDFUL THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT, WHEN WE SAY 30%, WE NEED TO BE CONSIDERATE OF WHAT THE 30% IS AS WELL.
I, I THINK I TOTALLY, I TOTALLY HEAR YOU.
I THINK WHERE I DIFFER WITH THAT IS SENIORS ON A FIXED BUDGET, 30% IS 30%.
IT JUST IS, I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF, I MEAN, THAT ARGUMENT, I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS SAME, SAME, SAME, BUT DIFFERENT.
BUT LIKE THAT'S THE ARGUMENT THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO RUN SENIORS OUT OF MOBILE HOMES ARE USING, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT'S LIKE IN THE, IN THE END, IF THERE, IF SENIORS ARE ON A FIXED INCOME, IT THAT IS A LARGE INCREASE FOR THEM.
WE RANGE OUR BEST TO MAKE SURE WE DO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, YOU MIGHT UNLIKE, MAYBE A SWIM TEAM COULD BE LIKE, WELL, IF WE GOT 15 MORE MEMBERS, WE COULD COVER THIS.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A BIGGER CONCERN, I THINK, FOR THE SENIORS.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT'LL BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WITH THEIR FIXED BUDGETS.
UM, OKAY, SO IT SOUNDS, IF I HEARD YOU CORRECTLY THEN THAT YOU'RE STILL CANVASSING OR YOU'RE STILL GETTING THE DATA POINTS FOR THE SURROUNDING POOLS, KIND OF LOOKING LIKE WHAT DOES, YOU KNOW, UM, MARIN IVC AND SONOMA SPLASH AND ALL OF THAT, WHAT DO THEY CHARGE COMPARABLE? AND, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE SOME OF THESE RATES HERE NEED TO BE BROUGHT UP TO MARKET, BUT I GUESS MY ONE QUESTION, AND AGAIN, YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE THE ANSWER TO THIS, BUT LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, LET'S SAY THE, THE THING WAS LIKE, OH, YOU'VE BEEN CHARGED $2 AN HOUR, BUT MARKET RATE IS 18.
WHAT YOU GOING FOR THERE? YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE THAT'S A REALLY, UH, I MEAN I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THE FINANCES OF IT, BUT YET AT THE SAME TIME, UM, THAT'S AN, THAT WOULD BE AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT.
AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE A COMMUNITY-BASED PROGRAM AND WE PRIORITIZE OUR RECREATIONAL PROGRAMS. IT'S THE SAME CONVERSATION AT THE FAIRGROUNDS.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF THE MARKET RATE IS $200 VERSUS THE A HUNDRED DOLLARS WE'RE CHARGING, BUT ALSO WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT ARE WE PROVIDING OUR POOL TO GET A REALLY BEAUTIFUL FACELIFT, BUT MANY AREAS HAVE NOT BEEN ENHANCED MM-HMM
SO IT WOULDN'T BE FAIR TO PRICE OUR OWN SELVES OUT OF THE POOL AS WELL.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE DEFINITELY LOOKING INTO ALL THE CONSIDERATIONS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
AND WE'RE VERY ACTIVELY HAVING OPEN CONVERSATIONS WITH SOME OF THE SWIM TEAMS AND OTHER POOL USER GROUPS ALREADY.
YEAH, WE'VE ALREADY, WE'VE ALREADY MET WITH NATHAN AND WILL MULTIPLE TIMES
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MEET THEIR NEEDS WHILE ALSO RECOGNIZING WE DO HAVE TO COME AND MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE HITTING SOME GOALS WITHIN OUR COST RECOVERY TARGET GOALS.THAT WE ARE WORKING ON WITH FINANCE AND THE REST OF THE CITY TEAM.
AND THEN WHAT ABOUT THE KRAKENS? ARE THEY STILL SWIMMING? KAREN? THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE THERE.
YEAH, THEY, THEY DID DISSOLVE.
KAREN IS, IS MOVING, I FORGET WHERE, I FORGET SHE'S MOVING AND NO ONE WAS INTERESTED IN US STEPPING INTO HER ROLE, UNFORTUNATELY, BUT WE'RE, WE'D LOVE MASTERS.
WELL, MAYBE AC COULD RUN A MASTER'S THING.
WE, WE ARE, WE ARE OPEN AND LOOKING AT EVERYTHING, BOTH, BOTH YOUR TRADITIONAL STUFF AS WELL AS, HEY, WHAT ARE THE POOLS VERY UNIQUE AND LARGE? WHAT CAN WE DO WITH SOME OF THE COOL OTHER WATER PROGRAMS THAT
WE'RE NOT COMMITTING TO THAT AT THIS TIME, BUT I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING'S TABLE WHY TABLE.
YOU DON WANNA TAKE ANYTHING BACK UP? COME ON.
I'D LIKE ALL
SO IT, IT SOUNDS, YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS IS NOT A SET IN STONE.
'CAUSE I MEAN THAT DEFINITELY THE PEOPLE, THE LAP SWIMMERS THAT WERE, THEY WERE VERY CONCERNED.
IT'S GOOD TO KNOW THAT IT'S NOT SET IN STONE, UM, BECAUSE THEY SCREENSHOTTED SOME RATES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
I DON'T THINK I HAVE, OH, UH, FEEDBACK PICKLEBALL, UM, THE NON ULTRA COMPETITIVE PEOPLE, THEY'RE REALLY, REALLY LIKING IT.
SO I'VE BEEN GETTING GREAT FEEDBACK, UM, FOR THAT.
IT, IT DOES SEEM THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SAID IT'S VERY APPROACHABLE AND I KNOW FROM GOING TO LUKE KESSIE SOMETIMES IT'S NOT A, YOU KNOW, YOU FEEL A LITTLE INTENSITY THERE.
UM, AND WITH THAT, THAT'S RIGHT.
I'M THE LAST PERSON 'CAUSE I'M THE CHAIR THAT CLOSES OUT.
COMMITTEE COMMENT OR COMMISSION COMMENT.
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GO TO DREW FOR STAFF COMMENT AND UM, TAKE IT AWAY.I AM TIRED OF MYSELF TALKING, SO I'M GONNA KEEP THIS LIGHT.
I'M ALSO, I I FEEL LIKE IT'S FAIR TO PUT LINDSAY ON THE SPOT NOW A LITTLE BIT.
SO I'M GONNA HAVE YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PICKLEBALL PARTY AGAIN ON FRIDAY.
SO I'M JUST GONNA PUT, PUT THAT OUT THERE NOW.
SO, UH, SPECIAL EVENT SEASON IS SO SPECIAL IN PETALUMA.
UM, WE LOVE OUR PARADES AND I, I WANNA RECOGNIZE THIS POINT OF THE YEAR, THE PARK MAINTENANCE CREWS, THE, EVEN THE PUBLIC WORKS, STREETS, CREWS, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT GOES ON BEHIND THE SCENES.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT REALLY KICKS OFF WITH THE BUTTER AND EGGS DAYS PARADE.
UH, BUT THEN IT'S FOLLOWED BY, YOU KNOW, THE ANTIQUE FAIR.
WE HAVE AMERICAN GRAFFITI GOES INTO THE 4TH OF JULY, BELL RINGING AND ALL OF THAT.
SO A LOT OF THE CREWS ARE WORKING AT IMPACTS AT SOME OF THE STAGING AREAS OF THE PARKS, BUT THEY'RE ALL SEE INCREASED USE, BUT IT'S ALSO LIKE THE TREE WELLS AND, AND CLEANING THAT GOES ON PRE AND POST.
SO MY UPDATES ARE THIS TIME OF YEAR, JUST WANNA RECOGNIZE THAT AND SHARE WITH YOU ALL THAT.
THE, THE CREWS, IT'S AN EXCITING TIME OF YEAR, BUT IT'S ALSO ON TOP OF, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT MAINTENANCE CHALLENGES.
UM, AND IT MAKES P PETALUMA UNIQUE.
SO WE REALLY LIKE OUR DOWNTOWN SHINING AND SHOWING ITS BEST.
AND SO WE TAKE A LOT OF PRIDE IN THOSE INDIVIDUAL TREE WELLS AND, AND OUR PARKS LOOKING GOOD.
THE HIGH WEED MOWING PROGRAM THAT WAS ON FULL DISPLAY, UH, AT SCHOENBERGER, YOU SAW THAT, UH, SOME, SOME AREAS THE WEEDS ARE DEFINITELY STILL WINNING, BUT, UH, WE'RE TURNING THE TIDES.
UH, AND ANOTHER TWO WEEKS IS, UH, OUR INTERNAL DEADLINE WITH OUR FIRE MARSHAL SERVICE TO, TO MITIGATE WEEDS AND PARCELS THAT THE CITY OWNS.
SO PARKS PLAY A BIG ROLE IN THAT, BUT THE, THE LIGHT IS AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL AS WE KIND OF APPROACH THIS POINT OF YEAR.
SO YOU'RE SEEING A SHIFT FROM THE CREWS THAT ARE SAYING, YEAH, IT'S NOT JUST GETTING UP AND GETTING YOUR BUTT KICKED EVERY DAY SO MUCH.
IT'S STARTING TO SEE THAT YOU WERE GETTING A HANDLE ON IT, WHICH IS EXCITING.
THE UPPER PORTION, I SHARED THIS AT THE TREE COMMITTEE, BUT I, I WANNA REPORT OUT OF THE UPPER PORTION OF THE DECK SURROUNDING THE MUSEUM OAK, UH, OUTSIDE IN THE BACK PATIO, THAT DECKING HAS BEEN REMOVED AND WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE HEALTH OF THE TREE.
OBVIOUSLY WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE CONSULTING ARBORISTS, UM, TAKE GOOD TABS ON IT.
THERE'S BEEN WORK THIS WEEK TO DO A, UM, CROWN ROOT KIND OF AN AIR SPADE EXCAVATION OF THE ROOTS TO FIND OUT WHAT DEGREE OF, UM, KIND OF DAMAGE, UH, HAS, HAS BEEN DONE THROUGH THE TREE.
SO WHAT WE'RE WE'RE GONNA DO IS KEEP THOSE ROOTS EXPOSED.
WE'RE GONNA MULCH THE AREA AND NOT PUT THE DECK BACK, BUT IN CASE IT WITH, UM, THE FENCING THAT WAS THERE, WE'RE JUST GONNA FOLLOW THAT FENCING AROUND THE TREE.
THAT AREA WILL, WILL BE OFF LIMITS NOW FOR PEOPLE.
SO THAT WILL ALLOW MORE OF THAT DRIP LINE, UM, MORE WATER TO ESSENTIALLY GET TO THE ROOTS.
AND THEN THAT TREE ALONG WITH THE BUNYA
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TREE THAT'S ON THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY AND THE SEQUOIA, THOSE ARE THREE, YOU KNOW, REALLY GINORMOUS BUT IMPORTANT ICONIC TREES.SO WE HAVE, UM, THOSE ON A, ON A HEIGHTENED KIND OF ARBORIST WATCH, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL THREE OF THOSE TREES AND ADJUSTING, UM, CARE AND MAINTENANCE AS WE NEED TO, BUT WANTED EVERYBODY TO KNOW IF YOU'RE THERE AND DON'T SEE THE DECK PORTION ANYMORE.
WE DID THAT AND WE'RE KEEPING GOOD EYES ON THE TREE.
THE FATHER'S DAY SOFTBALL TOURNAMENT WILL BE COMING UP JUNE 14TH.
THAT'S ALWAYS ANOTHER KIND OF BIG ONE.
WE HAD THE CLOSING CEREMONIES WITH THE SOFTBALL GROUPS, UH, LITERALLY BASEBALLS IN KIND OF HEIGHTENED PLAYOFF MODE, BUT, UM, WANNA PUT THAT ON YOUR CALENDAR.
THAT'S A BIG KIND OF SENDOFF, UH, FOR THE SOFTBALL PROGRAMS ON THE 14TH.
THE, UH, SECTION OF OR ANOTHER KINDA DAMAGED, UH, TO, UH, OAK, UM, UH, TREE HIT A FENCE AT PRINCE PARK AS WELL THAT'S BEEN CLEANED UP AND MODIFIED.
SO THAT IS JUST WHAT I WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE OF.
OTHER THAN THAT, I'LL CALL UP LINDSAY AT THIS POINT TO JUST TALK ABOUT PICKLEBALL PICKLE PARTY THIS FRIDAY.
AND THEN KAT, IF YOU HAD ANYTHING ELSE TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT YOU WANTED TO SHARE COMING UP, LET ME KNOW.
YEAH, YOU'RE THE NEXT CONTESTANT.
LINDSEY FISHER, OUR NEW RECREATION SUPERVISOR.
OH WAIT, THERE IS A BUTTON IN THERE.
I AM A RECREATION SUPERVISOR AND ON FRIDAY THIS WEEK WE WILL BE HAVING AN OPEN HOUSE AT THE NEW PICKLEBALL COURTS ON THE FAIRGROUNDS.
IT'S A PICKLEBALL PARTY THAT CELEBRATES THE SOFT OPENING TO THE PICKLEBALL COURTS, WHICH I DID NOT HAVE THE PLEASURE OF BEING A PART OF BRINGING INTO FRUITION THAT KAT WAS ABLE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
SO ON FRIDAY FROM FOUR TO SIX THIS WEEK, UH, MAY 23RD, THE COMMUNITY IS INVITED TO COME OUT AND PLAY SOME PICKLEBALL.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE LIVE MUSIC, A HOT, HOT DOG STAND, UH, SOME LAWN GAMES.
IT'S GONNA BE A FUN EVENT FOR FOR FAMILIES TO COME ON.
AND, UH, END THE WEEK AFTER THIS EVENT, WE'LL BE PULLING THE PICKLEBALL COURTS UP FOR THE FAIR.
AND THEN AFTER THE FAIR, WE'RE HOPING TO GET THEM BACK IN PLACE AND HAVE SOME, UH, PICKLEBALL CLASSES AND CAMPS AND THE, UH, POSSIBILITIES ARE ENDLESS.
ALL RIGHT, I'LL TURN IT OFF NOW.
THANK YOU LINDSAY, WITH ENTHUSIASM RIGHT AT THE END.
SHE DOES BRING THE ENTHUSIASM.
UH, JUST A QUICK NOTE THAT WE DO HAVE A REGISTRATION OPEN FOR A TINY TOTS PRESCHOOL PROGRAM FOR FALL.
WE ARE OPEN FOR NEW FAMILIES AND WE HAVE EXHAUSTED OUR WAIT LIST, MEANING WE, IF YOU CALL AND YOU'RE INTERESTED, YOU WILL QUICKLY GET A TIME TO COME TOUR WITH OUR DIRECTOR AND SEE THE BEAUTIFUL SPACES.
SO PLEASE DON'T HESITATE TO LET YOUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY KNOW.
AND THAT CONCLUDES OUR COMMENTS.
SORRY, MY MIC WAS, MY ME MIC WAS NOT ON.
AND WITH THAT, OUR MEETING IS ADJOURNED FOR THIS MEETING OF THE RECREATION PARKS AND MUSIC COMMISSION ON WEDNESDAY, MAY 21ST, 2025.