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GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO THE NINTH MEETING OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORY COMMISSION.
IF YOU WISH TO PROVIDE A PUBLIC COMMENT IN TONIGHT'S AGENDA, PLEASE FILL OUT THE SPEAKER CARD IN THE BACK OF THE CHAMBER AND BRING IT TO THE COMMITTEE'S CLERK.
UH, CLERK, WOULD YOU MIND THE ROLL CALL? YES.
HERE NOW IS THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE DURING GENERAL, UM, PUBLIC COMMENT, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON ITEMS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THAT ARE WITHIN THE COMMITTEE SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION AND THE ARE NOT LISTED ON THE CURRENT AGENDA.
PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED UP TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON.
DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF PERSONS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMITTEE.
TIME WILL BE ALLOCATED IN EQUAL SHARES TOTALING NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES.
CLERK, DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? WE HAVE NO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS, UH, RECEIVED OR POSTED ONLINE PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
THERE ARE NO GENERAL COMMENTS.
I GUESS AT THIS POINT WE'LL SKIP THE OPENING TO GENERAL COMMENTS AND WE GO TO, WE ALREADY DID THE TIME LIMITS ON THE PREVIOUS PARAGRAPH.
SO WE CAN MOVE TO THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR THE MEETING OF APRIL 23RD, 2025.ARE THERE ANY CHANGES OR CORRECTIONS? NO.
THEN, UM, THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION IS A PRESENTATION OF THE PETALUMA POLICE DEPARTMENT, PSAC, ANNUAL REPORT COMMITTEE MEMBER INPUT.
SO JUST BEFORE WE MOVE OFF OF THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES, I THINK WE'LL WE'LL NEED TO ACCEPT A, A MOTION FROM THE, UH, THE COMMITTEE TO ACCEPT THOSE AND ADOPT THEM.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED.
SO I'LL JUST SAY, MOTION CARRIES.
OH, A ROLL CALL FOR THAT ALSO.
MS. S I'M GONNA, I WASN'T HERE, SO I'M GONNA ABSTAIN.
[PRESENTATIONS]
AND I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE CALLING ON ME, BUT WE HAVE A PRESENTATION TONIGHT.SO AS YOU WILL RECALL, AND, AND, UH, DEPUTY CHIEF MCGOWAN WILL INTRODUCE TO YOU IS, UH, THIS IS AN ITEM REGARDING YOUR ANNUAL REPORT AND KIND OF HOW TO FRAME THAT.
IT WAS ONE OF THE ITEMS INCLUDED IN THE, THE ENABLING LEGISLATION.
AND, UH, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO DEPUTY CHIEF MCGOWAN TO, TO, UH, WALK YOU THROUGH OUR PRESENTATION AND START THE DIALOGUE WITH YOU.
SO, UH, WITH REGARDS TO THE EN ENABLING LEGISLATION FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORY COMMITTEE, UM, THE COMMITTEE IS TO CREATE AN ANNUAL REPORT TO DISCUSS VARIOUS ITEMS THAT, UH, WERE ACCOMPLISHED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
SO, JUST TO START THE FRONT OF THE, THIS POWERPOINT PRESENTATION IS JUST EVERYONE
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THAT IS CURRENTLY ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORY COMMITTEE.UM, ONE THING THAT I DO WANT TO MAKE MENTION IS IN THE ANNUAL REPORT, UM, THERE WILL BE A REFERENCE TO COUNCIL MEMBER OR FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER DENNIS POKAY AS, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER THAT WAS THE LIAISON FOR THE 2024, UH, CALENDAR YEAR.
UM, BUT IT WILL, UH, BECAUSE IT'S A FISCAL YEAR FOR THE REPORT, UM, IT WILL, IT WILL ILLUSTRATE BOTH COUNCIL MEMBER NOW AND FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER POKAY WITH THE TERMS. UH, NEXT SLIDE.
SO, THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO GET INPUT FROM ALL OF YOU ON WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE INCORPORATED IN THE ANNUAL REPORT.
UM, LOOKING AT THE ENABLING LEGISLATION AND LOOKING AT, UH, HOW THE CITY DRAFTS AND COMPOSES, UH, ANNUAL REPORTS, IT DIDN'T FEEL APPROPRIATE TO ASSIGN THE ANNUAL REPORT TO SOMEBODY ON THE COMMITTEE, UM, FOR, UH, TO CREATE IT AND ULTIMATELY DRAFT THAT, UH, REPORT.
SO, UM, WE ARE HERE TODAY TO SOLICIT FEEDBACK ON WHAT, UH, THE MEMBER INPUT WOULD BE, UM, AS WE, WE CRAFT THAT.
UM, SO WE INVITE YOU TO SHARE YOUR INPUT ON KEY PRIORITIES AND ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
UM, AT THIS TIME, PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO REFLECT ON WHAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED.
UH, YOUR INSIGHTS WILL HELP ENSURE THE REPORT REFLECTS THE FULL SCOPE OF YOUR WORK HERE ON THIS COMMITTEE.
THINGS THAT WE INTEND TO SHOW WITH THE REPORT IS THE COMMITTEE FORMATION AND STRUCTURE.
UM, THAT'S GONNA BE ALL OF YOU LISTED, UM, IN THE REPORT AS MEMBERS ON THE COMMITTEE, AND WHAT YOUR TERM DURATIONS WILL BE.
UH, SUMMARY OF THE MONTHLY MEETINGS AND KEY TOPICS AND OVERVIEW OF TRAINING AND ORIENTATIONS.
SO THINGS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED AS A GROUP, UH, AND INITIAL COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND OUTREACH.
UM, THIS HAS BEEN A TOPIC THAT HAS BEEN ON THE AGENDA, UH, SEVERAL MEETINGS.
AND WE WANNA HIGHLIGHT ANYTHING THAT, UM, EITHER YOU PLAN TO DO FOR THE NEXT FOLLOWING YEAR OR THAT HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED SO FAR THIS YEAR.
UH, THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY HIGHLIGHTS.
SO, AS WITH MOST ANNUAL REPORTS FOR THE CITY, UM, WE WANNA START THE REPORT WITH AN EXECUTIVE SUMMARY TO HIGHLIGHT, UM, KIND OF WHAT THE PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS.
UH, AND YOU KNOW, HOW IT CAME TO BE FOR, WITH, IN THIS INAUGURAL YEAR, UM, AND WITH THE PURPOSE OF, YOU KNOW, ADVANCING CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND PUBLIC SAFETY.
UM, AS EVERYONE HERE IS AWARE, IT WAS ESTABLISHED BY A COUNCIL RESOLUTION, UM, WHICH WE WANNA HIGHLIGHT AND GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHAT THE RESOLUTION AND TITLES OR, UM, WHAT THE, THE GUIDING LEGISLATION IS.
UM, AND AS I READ THE RESOLUTION, I NOTICED THERE WERE SOME THINGS IN THERE THAT, UH, I LEARNED.
SO, UM, IT'LL BE GOOD TO TO HIGHLIGHT THOSE IN THE ANNUAL REPORT.
UM, THAT INCLUDES THE PURPOSE AND GOAL, UM, WHICH IS TO AIM TO ENHANCE TRANSPARENCY, ACCOUNTABILITY, TRUST, AND EQUITY AND PUBLIC SAFETY THROUGH COMMUNITY INFORMED INSIGHT AND OVERSIGHT.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE GREAT, UH, AS WE CONTINUE ON DOWN THIS PATH, IF WE HAD, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT WERE HERE TO ACTIVELY ENGAGE WITH US AND PROVIDE SOME MEANINGFUL DIALOGUE.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GONNA BE PART OF THAT COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
AND THEN HOW, WHAT THE ORIGIN OF THE COMMITTEE WAS, HOW IT CAME TO BE, AND HIGHLIGHT THE WORK THAT WAS DONE, UM, THAT KIND OF PAVED THE PATH FOR THIS PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
SO IN THIS, UH, POWERPOINT, THESE ARE SOME OF THE MAJOR TOPICS THAT WE COVERED THROUGHOUT THIS REPORTING PERIOD.
UM, I'LL JUST READ THROUGH THEM.
IT WAS THE OVERSIGHT OR, SORRY, OVERVIEW OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORY COMMITTEE DUTIES, UM, AND ITS ROLE IN THE HYBRID OVERSIGHT MODEL.
UM, WE HAD A PRESENTATION FROM THE OFFICE OF THE INDEPENDENT POLICE AUDITOR.
UM, WE ACTUALLY HAD SEVERAL, UH, PRESENTATIONS FROM THEM AND THEIR, UH, WITH US TONIGHT.
AGAIN, UM, INTRODUCTION TO THE PEDAL AND POLICE DEPARTMENT STRUCTURE, SOME OF OUR POLICIES AND OUR TRAINING PRACTICES.
UH, WE REVIEWED THE, UH, AB 41, WHICH IS OUR MILITARY USE, UH, POLICY.
UM, AND, UH, WE REVIEWED OUR, OUR PREVIOUS AB 41 REPORT, AND WE'LL BE DISCUSSING OUR CURRENT AB 41 REPORT.
IN, IN THE COMING MEETINGS, WE REVIEWED OUR PUBLIC COMPLAINT PROCEDURE AND OUR TRANSPARENCY PROTOCOLS.
UM, WE HAD INITIAL FEEDBACK ON COMMUNITY POLICING AND TRUST BUILDING STRATEGIES.
WE REVIEWED FIRST AMENDMENT AND OUR PD AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S RESPONSE TO ASSEMBLIES.
UH, WE HAD A PRESENTATION FROM THE IPA ON THE IPA ANNUAL REPORT, UH, WHICH INCLUDED FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND THEN WE REVIEWED AND HAD FEEDBACK, UH, ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S STRATEGIC GOALS AND
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OBJECTIVES.AND THEN WE HAD A PRESENTATION ON DISPARITY DATA AND RIP A REPORTING.
SO THOSE ARE JUST A FEW OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE COVERED, WHICH ARE ENCOMPASSED ON THE LONG RANGE CALENDARS, UM, MONTH TO MONTH.
SO WHAT WOULD WE LIKE FROM YOU? UM, FIRST, WHAT ACCOMPLISH, WHAT ACCOMPLISHMENTS ARE MOST IMPORTANT TO HIGHLIGHT IN THE ANNUAL REPORT? UM, WHAT CHALLENGES OR LESSONS LEARNED SHOULD BE INCLUDED? UH, WERE THERE MOMENTS OF STRONG PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT YOU FOUND MEANINGFUL? AND ARE YOU, ARE THERE TOPICS THAT WE NEED TO EMPHASIZE? NEXT SLIDE.
SO, UM, FOR SOME CONSIDERATIONS AS WE RECEIVE FEEDBACK, UH, OVERVIEW OF MEMBER TRAINING SUCH AS THE BROWN ACT, DEESCALATION BIAS AND PROCEDURAL JUSTICE, UM, RECOMMENDED TO PARTICIPATE IN RIDE-ALONGS, DISPATCHER SIT-INS, COMMUNITY ACADEMY AND STAFF PRESENTATIONS.
UM, THERE WAS, UH, DISCUSSION ON NICOLE AND INVOLVEMENT IN OTHER SIMILAR AFFILIATIONS.
UH, SOME OF THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT CONVERSATIONS WERE PARTICIPATING IN LOCAL EVENTS, UH, NATIONAL NIGHT OUT TOWN HALLS FAIRS, CAFE PUENTE, UM, REACHING OUT TO SOME OF OUR COMMUNITY AND CIVIC GROUPS, UH, AND THEN OTHER OUTREACH METHODS SUCH AS DIGITAL IN PERSON.
AND THE COMMITTEE REQUESTED MATERIALS, UH, TO DISTRIBUTE.
AND THERE'S BEEN CONVERSATION WITH OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS ON WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE FOR ALL COMMITTEES, NOT JUST THE PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
AND THEN MOST IMPORTANTLY, FUTURE GOALS AND A ROADMAP.
SO TOPICS AND PRIORITIES FOR NEXT YEAR, IMPROVEMENT IN OUTREACH, DATA TRANSPARENCY AND ENGAGEMENT, AND THEN PROPOSED TRAINING OR CAPACITY BUILDING EFFORTS.
UM, SO WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERABLE TIME IN THE MEETING TO DISCUSS SOME OF THESE ITEMS THAT SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT BE INCLUDED IN THE ANNUAL REPORT.
UM, BUT IF THERE'S THINGS THAT COME UP OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS, THEN I'VE INCLUDED MY EMAIL.
AND WHAT I WOULD REQUEST IS EMAIL ME DIRECTLY AND WE CAN, UH, FIGURE OUT, UM, WHAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
AND THEN WE'LL BRING BACK THE ANNUAL REPORT, UH, PRIOR TO ITS SUBMISSION TO COUNSEL.
YEAH, AND I, I WOULD JUST BUILD OFF THAT.
I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE APPRECIATE, AND YOU'VE HAD CONSIDERABLE INPUT, UM, OVER THE YEAR INTO THE PUBLIC OR THE, INTO THE IPAS ANNUAL REPORT.
THERE'S A SECTION ABOUT THE PSAC.
THERE'S ALSO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SECTIONS IN OUR, UM, 4 81 REPORT WHERE YOU'VE HAD INPUT AND ADDED CONTEXT.
AND THOSE HAVE BEEN COMMUNICATED BACK WHEN WE DO OUR CITY COUNCIL PRESENTATIONS.
AND I ALSO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT SLIDE THAT HAD ALL THE, THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE OVER THE YEAR AND REMIND THE COMMITTEE AND THE COMMUNITY THAT THIS IS REALLY THE INAUGURAL YEAR.
THIS WAS THE FIRST 12 MONTHS, IT WAS LAST JULY THAT WE WERE SEATING, UH, THE COMMITTEE FOR THE FIRST TIME.
AND SO WHILE A LITTLE BIT, UM, ELEMENTARY, IT, IT MAY HAVE FELT AT TIMES AND FOUNDATIONAL, I THINK SETTING, SETTING THAT GROUNDWORK HAS BEEN REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT.
AND SO THIS REPORT'S, UH, INTENDED TO HOPEFULLY OUTLINE AND HELP BE A, A DELIVERABLE THAT WE CAN SHARE WITH THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THE PROGRESS, THE EDUCATION, AND THAT FOUNDATION THAT'S BEEN SET.
AND KIND OF A LOOK AS THE ROADMAP AS DEPUTY CHIEF MCGOWAN DETAILED ON, ON KIND OF WHERE THE COMMITTEE'S GOING AND SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS, WHICH I THINK WE'RE REALLY EXCITED FOR THE NEXT COMING MONTHS ON SOME, SOME GOOD TOPICS.
AND I THINK THAT'LL, THAT WILL HOPEFULLY INCREASE ENGAGEMENT, INCREASE THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'RE HAVING.
AND AS YOU MAY OR MAY NOT BE AWARE, THE CITY'S GOING THROUGH A REALLY ROBUST RECRUITMENT FOR OTHER COMMITTEES, COMMISSIONS, AND BOARDS RIGHT NOW.
AND SO WE WILL BE IN THAT PLACE NEXT YEAR OF LOOKING TO SEE NEW COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
AND SO I THINK HOW DO WE PLANT THE SEED OF OPPORTUNITY FOR OTHER INDIVIDUALS LIKE YOURSELVES THAT MAY HAVE AN INTEREST? AND WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU CAN SHARE THAT THEY CAN REVIEW, UM, TO BETTER PREPARE THEMSELVES TO COME IN AND INTEGRATE IMMEDIATELY WITH THE COMMITTEE.
UM, AND SO WE ALSO ARE MINDFUL THAT YOU ALL ARE VOLUNTEERS AND YOU ARE DOING THIS OF YOUR OWN GOODWILL, RIGHT? AND SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO TASK THE COMMITTEE WITH PLEASE WRITE US A BOOK REPORT.
AND SO STAFF IS PREPARED TO TRY TO TO, TO HELP LISTEN TO THIS FACILITATED CONVERSATION TONIGHT AND COLLECT SOME THOUGHTS WITH SOME OF THE FRAMEWORK THAT I THINK THE DEPUTY CHIEFS OUTLINED AND HOPEFULLY HELP STRUCTURE WHAT YOU'RE ENVISIONING THIS REPORT POTENTIALLY BEING.
AND THEN WE CAN HELP, UM, COMPILE THAT AND THEN BRING IT BACK FOR REVIEW AND VERIFICATION THAT IT'S REFLECTIVE OF THE BODY OF WORK THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO, TO KEEP IN THERE.
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AND I'LL MAYBE TURN IT OVER TO OUR CITY[COMMITTEE COMMENT]
ATTORNEY IF SHE HAS ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON HOW OTHER COMMITTEES ARE PREPARING ANY OF THESE TYPE OF REPORTS.IT'S REALLY PER THE LEGISLATION AND THE LEGISLATION SIMPLY SAID TO INCLUDE AN ANNUAL REPORT.
SO WE WANNA SHOW EVERYTHING, ALL THE GREAT WORK YOU'VE DONE AND ANYTHING YOU WANNA DO.
AND YEAH, WE JUST LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU WANNA ADD.
SO I MIGHT RECOMMEND THAT RATHER THAN TRY AND DO IT HERE TONIGHT OR JUST DUMP EVERYTHING ON THE DEPUTY CHIEF, THAT WE MIGHT GET ONE OR TWO VOLUNTEERS TO MEET IN LIKE TWO WEEKS TO COLLECT EVERYTHING THAT THE COUNT COMMITTEE MEMBERS HAVE AND DRAFT SOMETHING THEN TO THEN PUT INTO THE REPORT.
SO THIS, IT'S MORE THE COMMITTEE HELPING TO FORM IT AS OPPOSED TO JUST THE STAFF BEING LIKE, HERE YOU GUYS WRITE IT BASED ON WHAT WE TELL YOU IN THE MEETING.
YEAH, THAT MAKE SENSE? I THINK I, I, THAT, THAT MAKES COMPLETE SENSE TO ME TOO.
I THINK THE ONE THING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THROUGH THIS WHOLE EVOLUTION IS I THINK THAT THINGS THAT PROBABLY BE TALKING ABOUT INDEPENDENTLY IN SMALLER WORKING GROUPS IS REALLY THE CONVERSATION THAT I THINK WE HOPE AND THE, THE, THE REAL VALUE OF WHY THIS MEETING'S EVEN RECORDED IS SO THAT ANY, ANYONE WHO CAN'T PARTICIPATE IN THAT IS HEARING, UM, THOSE, THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE CITY MANAGER, IF YOU'VE LISTENED TO ANY OF OUR OTHER MEETINGS, REALLY TALKS ABOUT HOW THE SAUSAGE IS MADE AND HEARING THAT THAT AND WHAT, WHAT YOU REMEMBER AND, AND, AND WHATNOT.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DEFER REALLY TO THE COMMITTEE AND, AND HOW YOU WANNA STRUCTURE THIS.
THIS IS INTENDED TO BE YOUR REPORT, AND BY NO MEANS IS STAFF PROPOSING THAT WE WILL GHOST WRITE SOMETHING AND RUBBER STAMP IT.
WE REALLY WANT IT TO BE, UM, AS EASY FOR THE COMMITTEE TO PREPARE, RECOGNIZING THAT YOU ALL ARE TAKING TIME OUT OF YOUR, YOUR LIVES TO BE HERE, BUT ALSO, UM, MAKING IT REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT, WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE INCLUDED IN THERE.
MAY I SAY SOMETHING? UM, YOU KNOW, I, I ALWAYS GO BACK TO OUR RESOLUTION, OUR DUTIES AND AUTHORITIES AND, UM, THAT THE FIRST ONE IS THE REVIEW, DISCUSS, PROVIDE COMMENT TO CITY COUNCIL FOR REGARDING CERTAIN THINGS, INCLUDING THE IPA'S, ANNUAL REPORT, COMMENTARY, ET CETERA.
AND THAT OUR PURPOSE IS TO SERVE AS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND AS A COMMUNITY RESOURCE.
AND I THINK WE'RE TRYING VERY HARD TO DO THE COMMUNITY RESOURCE PART, AND I WANNA HOPEFULLY THAT WE HIGHLIGHT ALL THOSE THINGS THAT WE ARE TRYING AND, AND TRYING TO, TO BRING OUT.
BUT I ALSO THINK WE AS A COMMITTEE, NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE ACT AS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
BECAUSE EVEN ABOUT THE, UM, INDEPENDENT POLICE AUDITORS REPORT, YOU KNOW, WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW IT, BUT WE NEVER WROTE ANYTHING TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
SO I FEEL LIKE WE KIND OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, MISSED THAT.
IT'S JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE DIDN'T CONTINUE OURS.
SO, I MEAN, IN TERMS OF, OF OUR ANNUAL REPORT, I I, IF EVERYBODY AGREES, I WOULD LIKE US TO BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT TO SAY THAT YES, WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE ON IT WITH A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND PLUS WE'RE, WE'RE JUST LEARNING AS WE'RE GOING ALONG.
I REMEMBER THAT'S ALL BEEN HAPPENING, BUT THAT WE WANNA, WE WANT TO WORK ON, ON, ON HOW WE BETTER AT DO THE ADVISORY FUNCTION.
AS THE CITY COUNCIL LIAISON, I ONLY GET 90 SECONDS TO CAPTURE EVERYTHING THAT I'VE DONE AND REPORT ON.
I, I USUALLY SAY, YES, I ATTENDED, AND YES, WE WORKED ON THIS WHATEVER THE LAST, UM, MEETINGS SUBJECT MATTER WAS, BUT IT'S, IT'S, I DON'T GET VERY MUCH TIME.
SO IT IS A GREAT IDEA TO MAYBE WHEN WE DO THE INDEPENDENT AUDIT REPORT, SAY THAT THE, I THINK THEY DID SAY THAT IT CAME TO US FIRST, BUT IT WASN'T A, UM, WE DIDN'T VOTE ON IT OR ANYTHING.
SO WE JUST DID HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LISTEN TO WHAT THEY HAD TO SAY BEFORE THEY WENT TO COUNCIL.
AND THEY LIKE, YOU KNOW, I DEFINITELY HAD A LOT OF COMMENTS AND I THINK JULIE DID TOO.
AND I THINK THAT THEY SAID THAT THEY TOOK THEM INTO ACCOUNT.
BUT AGAIN, IT WAS A SUPER LONG DOCUMENT.
AND JUST A MATTER OF, WE NEVER, LIKE, I, AGAIN, IT WAS JUST, I THINK AS A BODY THAT WE ARE, THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE SAYING TO THE CITY COUNCIL, WE REVIEWED THIS, THIS IS OUR CONCERNS, THIS IS OUR, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE ADDRESSED, THEY WEREN'T ADDRESSED, THAT KIND OF THING BECAUSE IT WAS, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT WAS PRESENTED AND THEN, OKAY, NOW YOU'RE DONE.
SO I, I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.
SO I DO, I DO THINK ONE OF THE THINGS, SO THE COUNCIL, UM, VICE MAYOR NOW IS CORRECT, SHE'S THE LIAISON, SHE PULLS THINGS BACK.
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I WANT TO, I WANNA CLARIFY THAT THE, THE PURPOSE OF THE, THE COMMITTEE IS ADVISORY CAPACITY AND HEARING AND PROVIDING THAT INPUT.AND SO VERY MUCH WHEN WE HAVE MADE PRESENTATIONS TO THE COMMITTEE FOR THAT INPUT, IT'S REFLECTIVE AND DISCUSSED, AND THERE'S STAFF REPORTS THAT JOIN EACH OF THOSE ANNUAL REPORTS IN DETAIL, THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PORTION AND THE IPA TAKES THOSE FEEDBACKS AS WELL, UM, INTO CONSIDERATION.
AND I SEE OUR, IPA DENISE ON THE CALL TONIGHT, UH, NODDING HER HEAD IN, IN AGREEMENT THERE.
UM, AND THEN I THINK THE BIGGEST THING THAT STOOD OUT FOR ME MOST RECENTLY IS, UH, THE MAYOR AT THE LAST MEETING OR TWO MEETINGS AGO, UM, KIND OF SPOKE TO THE, UH, VICE MAYOR NOW MENTIONED THE MEETING EARLIER IN, IN THE REPORT OUTS, BUT IN ONE OF THE CONVERSATIONS, THEY ACTUALLY, UM, ACKNOWLEDGED WATCHING THE PLAYBACK OF THE COMMITTEE MEETING AND HEARING SOME OF THE COMMENTS AND THE PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT HAD COME IN AND ACKNOWLEDGING THOSE THINGS.
SO, I DON'T KNOW, AND I DEFER TO THE CITY ATTORNEY ON THE PROCESS ABOUT MAKING A COUNCIL PRESENTATION.
I THINK THERE, THERE, REALLY WHAT THIS IS INTENDED TO BE IS A REPORT THAT IS THEN SHARED.
AND I WOULD, I WOULD ASSUME THAT VICE MAYOR NOW IS THE LIAISON WOULD SAY, HEY, THE COMMITTEE CREATED THIS.
IT'S BEEN COMPLETED, IT'S UP ON THE DEPARTMENT'S WEBSITE, AND THESE ARE THE, THE STRUCTURES THAT WENT INTO IT.
AND WE'D WELCOME THE COMMUNITY TO REVIEW THAT.
FIRST ONE, IN REGARD TO THE IPA, AS YOU HEARD, THEY DID TAKE YOUR CONSIDERATIONS INTO THEIR REPORT, AND I BELIEVE THE STAFF REPORT SAID IT, IT WAS BROUGHT TO YOU.
AND THAT IF WE WANNA DO IT SEPARATELY, SOME, LIKE IF THERE WAS ANY DISAGREEMENT OR SOMETHING, THEN OF COURSE WE COULD, YOU KNOW, PUT THAT ASIDE AND MAKE IT MORE CLEAR FOR THE COUNCIL.
BUT THEY INCORPORATED YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS, SO THEY JUST SAID, WE SENT IT TO YOU AND INCORPORATED THAT.
AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE WE WANNA DO, WE COULD ALWAYS DO THAT NEXT TIME AROUND.
AS FOR THE ANNUAL REPORT, IT DID SAY, THE LEGISLATION SAYS THEY SHOULD PREPARE AN ANNUAL REPORT FOR COUNCIL'S REVIEW, SO WE COULD TALK INTERNALLY AND FOLLOW UP.
I WAS THINKING IT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE COULD PUT ON THE CONSENT ITEM OR TO COUNCIL, SO WE SEND IT TO THEM FOR EVERYONE'S REVIEW AND INTAKE.
BUT THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION ABOUT THE BEST WAY TO REALLY PRESENT THAT TO COUNCIL AND HEAR YOU.
UM, I JUST WAS THINKING THAT WE, THE IPA REPORT ONLY 'CAUSE IT'S NOT, THAT'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF OUR DUTIES, UM, THAT IT WAS PRESENTED TO US.
WE HAD LIKE, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE WEEKS OR, OR SO TO LOOK IT OVER.
AND SOME OF US HAD SPENT A LOT OF TIME, SOME OF US LESS SO 'CAUSE OF LIFE AND WE ASKED QUESTIONS, BUT THE, IT, THERE WAS NEVER, UM, IT, WE'VE NEVER ACTUALLY HAD A PLACE WHERE ALL OF US CAN SIT AND TALK TO, LIKE, SAY, DO WE AGREE WITH THIS REPORT? DO WE WANNA SAY ANYTHING? LIKE THERE HAS, LIKE, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S EVEN A STRUCTURE FOR CITY COMMITTEES.
LIKE IS IT JUST NOW, LIKE NOW TO SAY, YEAH, GO AHEAD.
BUT THE IDEA OF WHAT, THIS IS THE TRANSPARENCY FOR OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO BE A PART OF IT, BUT WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU HERE.
LIKE, IF THERE'S SOMETHING YOU DON'T LIKE OR YOU WANNA INCLUDE, WE WANT YOU TO SHARE IT WITH EVERYONE.
IT JUST, AND IN THAT CONTEXT THOUGH, LIKE, AGAIN, WE HAD QUESTIONS, BUT THEN THERE WAS NEC THERE WAS NEVER A, A TIME AGAIN TO SAY, OH, OKAY.
THEY, THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY SAY THEY CHANGED THE REPORT AND I'M SURE THEY DID.
AND I, I CHECKED A COUPLE OF THINGS, BUT AGAIN, THE REPORT WAS IN, YOU KNOW, IT WAS HUNDREDS OF PAGES AND IT WAS HARD TO LIKE KIND OF FOLLOW.
SO I, I I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S, I MEAN, MAYBE, MAYBE NO ONE ELSE FELT LIKE THAT WAS, MAYBE EVERYBODY THAT FELT LIKE THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, A SATISFACTORY, UH, RESOLUTION OF OUR DUTY.
BUT THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST BRINGING UP.
CAN I SAY SOMETHING? I FEEL LIKE WE HAVEN'T DONE MUCH.
AND UM, I THINK MYSELF, IT'S THE BROWN ACT THAT SCARES US ALL.
BECAUSE ORIGINALLY WHEN WE FIRST GOT TOGETHER, WE WERE GONNA GET TOGETHER AND MEET AND HAVE COFFEE.
AND THEN IT WAS LIKE MICHAEL SAID THAT HE, I GUESS SENT AN EMAIL TO THE CITY ATTORNEY AND HE WAS ADVISED NOT TO DO THAT.
SO WE HAVE NOT TALKED REALLY ANY OF US.
'CAUSE I THINK WE'RE ALL AFRAID TO, I MEAN, I, I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR MYSELF.
ANYBODY ELSE? WELL, IT'S NOT, I, I WOULDN'T SAY I'M AFRAID TO.
IT IS THAT I UNDERSTAND WHY NOT TO, AND UNLESS WE ARE ALL TOGETHER, WHICH WE COULD AT ONE POINT BE ALL TOGETHER AND, AND DISCUSS WHATEVER IT IS.
AND I AGREE WITH YOU A LITTLE BIT AS TO, IT FEELS LIKE WE HAVEN'T DONE A
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LOT, BUT THERE HAS BEEN VERY LITTLE STRUCTURE BECAUSE THIS IS A NEW THING.I THINK WE'RE ALL LEARNING WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.
AND SOME OF US, WE DID GO AND TRY TO REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY, BUT
WHATEVER THE PROBLEM COULD BE.
IF YOU REACHED OUT TO THE COMMUNITY, HOW COME SOME OF US DIDN'T KNOW THAT YOU WERE DOING THAT? OH YEAH, I DID.
I, I EVEN GAVE NAMES AND THAT I WENT ALL OF THIS WAS THERE.
SO, OH YEAH, WHEN I WAS OFF, I'M, I'M SO SORRY.
I, THIS IS RAM IT'S HARD TO KIND OF TALK 'CAUSE IT'S LIKE THIS, BUT IT WAS, I REMEMBER YOU TELLING THEM, I REMEMBER YOU TELLING US YOUR EFFORTS.
'CAUSE I ALSO, THAT THAT MEETING WAS TALKING ABOUT THE EMAILS I SENT, BUT YOU, I THINK IT WAS THE, THE MEETING, THE ONE THAT I MISSED.
AND YEAH, THAT'S JUST, YEAH, MR. CHAIR.
SO THIS IS THE FORM FOR US TO BRING UP ISSUES.
AND, AND IF THERE, IF THERE WAS GLARING PROBLEMS WITH THE IPA REPORT WHERE OUR FEEDBACK, OUR, OUR, OUR INPUT WASN'T ACKNOWLEDGED OR INCORPORATED, THEN WE BRING IT UP HERE AT THIS COMMITTEE MEETING AND WE DISCUSS IT HERE.
IF THERE ARE, IF THERE'S A THERE, THERE THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS, THEN WE CAN PUT IT INTO OUR ANNUAL REPORT AND SAY, WHILE THE IPA REPORT SAID X, Y, AND Z, IT LEFT OUT THESE THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO HAVE FACTORED IN.
I, THERE'S NOTHING THAT I SAW THAT WAS MISSING.
BUT THERE'S AN IMPLICATION THAT THERE IS FROM THE WAY YOU PHRASED YOUR COMMENTS, IN MY OPINION.
AND SO IF THERE IS A GLARING THING THAT WAS MISSED, WE CAN BRING IT UP AND ADDRESS IT IN OUR ANNUAL REPORT.
BUT THE KIND OF BI BIPHASIC WAY OF US DOING THIS, UM, SYSTEM OF OVERSIGHT IS THAT WE HAVE OUR REPORT AND WE HAVE OUR INPUT AND OUR, UH, FEEDBACK TO THE COUNCIL.
BUT THEN THE IPA ALSO HAS THEIR FEEDBACK AND INPUT TO THE COUNCIL AND THEIR PROCESS.
AND WE CAN PROVIDE FEEDBACK AND INPUT TO THAT.
IPA PROCESS, BUT WE HAVE OUR OWN VOICE AND WE CAN MAKE WHATEVER REPORT WE WANT AND, AND REPORT TO THE COUNCIL THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE, THESE ARE THE THINGS WE DID THIS YEAR.
THESE ARE THE FINDINGS WE HAD AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE DISAGREED OR, OR AGREED WITH IPA OR, OR THINGS THAT WE, AREAS OF FOCUS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT FOR THE NEXT YEAR.
BUT I'M NOT HEARING THE MAJORITY OF THE C THE COMMITTEE SAYING THAT THERE IS SOMETHING THAT WAS GLARINGLY WRONG OR, UH, AMISS IN THE IPA, UH, REPORT.
AND EVEN DURING THE MEETING WHEN WE DISCUSSED IT, I DIDN'T, THERE WAS FEEDBACK AND INPUT GIVEN, BUT I DON'T, I DIDN'T SEE THAT THERE WAS ANY HUGE GLARING ISSUES.
SO I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTIMATE MA'AM, MA'AM.
UH, SO WE CAN, I THINK WE, HERE'S WHERE WE HAVE THE DISCUSSIONS AND WE HAVE CIVIL DISCOURSE ABOUT WHAT FEEDBACK WE WANT TO HAVE, BUT LIKE, THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND IT'S IN PUBLIC, IT'S RECORDED AND, AND WE DISCUSS IT HERE.
SO THAT'S MY INPUT OR FEEDBACK ON THE PROCESS.
AND AGAIN, I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT, BUT I DID NOT ALSO MEAN TO INTIMATE THAT SOMETHING WAS WRONG.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT OUR DUTIES AUTHORITIES IN OUR RESOLUTION, FOUNDING RESOLUTION IS TO REVIEW, DISCUSS AND PROVIDE COMMENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
THE COMMENT COULD HAVE BEEN WE REVIEWED IT.
AND THAT'S, IT'S, AND ALSO THOUGH I DO REMEMBER JULIE TALKING ABOUT THIS RIPPA STUFF THAT I REALLY DIDN'T KNOW AND THAT THERE'S ALL THESE CHANGES IN RIPPA AND THAT REALLY DOES KIND OF AFFECT A LOT OF THE STUFF THAT WE'RE READING.
AND, YOU KNOW, HEARING ABOUT FROM THE, FROM THE POLICE REPORTS, I MEAN THE POLICE ANNUAL REPORT AS WELL AS THE IPA, THAT THERE'S KIND OF, THERE'S AN UNDERCURRENT OF OF CHANGE THAT, YOU KNOW, IS IT WORTH LOOKING INTO MORE? I DON'T KNOW.
THIS IS, BUT IF THE CITY COUNCIL, IF WE'RE THE BODY THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE CHECKING IN WITH THE COMMUNITY AND THEN ADVISING THE COUNCIL, I JUST, AGAIN, I FELT LIKE THERE, THERE WAS A STEP MISSING.
NOT TO, NOT TO SAY THAT ANYTHING WAS BAD IN ANYBODY'S REPORT.
THAT'S NOT WHAT MY PURPOSE IS HERE.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, AS A COMMITTEE, DO WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING MORE OFFICIAL IN TERMS OF COMMUNICATING WITH CITY COUNCIL? AND IF THE ANSWER IS NO, COOL.
UM, AND, AND I'LL LET YOU GO AFTER ME IN A MINUTE.
SO WHEN WE RECEIVE THIS MUCH INFORMATION, WE'RE BEING EDUCATED AND WE'RE LEARNING WHAT'S THERE, IT'S VERY HARD TO THEN COME BACK AND TRY TO TEACH WHEN YOU'RE JUST LEARNING.
SO I THINK FOR THIS YEAR, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING 'CAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT AND MAYBE, HEY, THANK YOU.
WE DID SEE ALL OF THIS AS FAR AS
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WHAT WE CAN TELL WITH THE KNOWLEDGE THAT WE HAVE ACQUIRED.WE WILL BE ABLE TO TELL YOU NEXT YEAR WHEN WE COMPARE NOTES IF THERE'S SOMETHING MISSING OR NOT, OR WHAT ELSE WE WANT TO INCLUDE.
UH, 'CAUSE I SAW SO MUCH INFORMATION I WASN'T EVEN AWARE EXISTED THAT I FEEL PROUD TO BE PART OF THIS PROCESS IN THE SENSE OF HOW THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN PETALUMA BEHAVES, HOW THEY'RE BEING SUPERVISED AND IMPLEMENTING, UH, BETTERMENTS FOR ALL THEIR, UH, TEAM.
SO I WOULD JUST, UH, TAKE WHAT WE HAVE AND AS LEARNING AND UH, MAYBE JUST A, THIS IS A LEARNING PROCESS AND THIS IS OUR REPORT TO YOU COUNSEL.
AND, UH, WE WILL HAVE SOME PARAMETERS AND COMPARISONS THAT WE CAN DO IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
THE OTHER THING I CAN, I WOULD JUST OFFER TWO IS, UM, ONE, IF YOU HAVEN'T, UM, AFTER ANY OF THESE MEETINGS ON A REPORT THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE VERY MUCH VIEW THE PSAC AS THE FIRST STEP OF REVIEW WITHIN THE CITY.
AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY FOR THE IPA REPORT, THE MILITARY EQUIPMENT REPORT, OUR ANNUAL REPORT, THOSE, THOSE HAVE HAD AN, AN, AN ADDITIONAL STAFF REPORT TO THE FINALIZED REPORT THAT INCORPORATED THE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMITTEE.
AND THAT SECTION, AS I MENTIONED, HAS A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PIECE WHERE WE SPECIFICALLY CALL OUT SOME OF THE COMMENTS FROM THE BODY.
SO LIKE IN RIPA IT WAS, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS ATTENTION TO UNDERREPORTING AND THESE THINGS OF CONCERN.
AND SO THOSE, THOSE COMMENTS WERE IN THERE.
SO IF YOU HADN'T, AND I DON'T, I'M NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO ASK THE COMMITTEE WHETHER OR NOT THOSE WERE REVIEWED, BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU ON ITEMS THAT WE KNOW ARE MOVING FROM THIS BODY TO THE COUNCIL.
UM, AND, AND THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING IN RETROSPECT THAT, THAT MY STAFF, WE CAN, WE CAN SHARE THOSE FINAL REPORTS AND POINT THAT OUT THROUGH THE DISTRIBUTION LIST, MAKING SURE THE COMMITTEE HAS AWARENESS.
AND SO YOU MAY BE ABLE TO SEE THOSE COMMENTS CAPTURED TO HOPEFULLY ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE, THOSE GAPS.
AND THEN WHAT WE DO SEE, AND I'M TRYING TO TO THINK ABOUT HOW SOME OF THE OTHER COMMITTEES, LIKE PLANNING COMMISSION IS A VERY ROBUST, UM, COMMITTEE FOR THE CITY.
THEY ACTUALLY MAKE SOME VERY STRONG RECOMMENDATIONS ON PROJECTS AND DEVELOPMENT CITYWIDE THAT THE COUNCILMEN VOTES ON.
UM, BUT I HAVEN'T NECESSARILY SEEN THE COMMITTEE COME BEFORE THE COUNCIL.
THEY WILL MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, THEY WILL PRODUCE, YOU KNOW, UH, THERE'LL BE A REPORT OUT FROM THAT COMMITTEE OR THAT RECOMMENDATION IN THE STAFF REPORT RELATED TO THAT ITEM.
AND IT'S ENCOMPASSED IN WHAT THAT WAS THAT, THAT ADVICE OR THE, THE COMMENTARY FROM THE COMMITTEE.
UM, WE HAVE SEEN IN OTHER LIMITED CIRCUMSTANCES MORE WHAT THE CITY CALLS LIKE A PRESENTATION, UM, WHICH WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE YOU COULD MAYBE HAVE THE CHAIR COME TO COUNCIL WITH A PRESENTATION ON WHAT THE REPORT IS, AND IT'D BE A BRIEF, YOU KNOW, THING AT THE, AT THE BEGINNING OF A MEETING WHERE YOU SAY, HEY, WE'VE CREATED THIS REPORT.
HERE IT IS, WE HAVE SOME SLIDES THAT COVER THE GENERAL CONCEPT OF IT.
AND THAT PUTS THE KIND OF COUNSEL ON NOTICE THAT MAY BE AN APPROPRIATE VENUE TO, TO DO THAT AS WELL.
UM, SO I JUST OFFER THAT FOR SOME CONSIDERATION.
THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS PICTURING.
UM, WHEN I WENT BACK TO LOOK AT THE LEGISLATION, IT SAYS ISSUING THE REPORT TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY.
SO I WAS PICTURING, BUT NOT MY CALL HERE, BUT I WAS PICTURING KIND OF THE CHAIR OF SOMEONE COMING, PRESENTING IT, BRIEF PRESENTATION, AND THEN ALSO WE WOULD PUBLISH IT ON THE WEBSITE.
BUT THAT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT TO DO IT THAT WAY.
SO, SO ELLEN, THE POINT THAT YOU BROUGHT UP ABOUT RIPA, I THINK IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF RIPA.
WHILE ITS INTENT MIGHT BE TO ELICIT OUT THIS DATA, AND, BUT IT, IT'S NOT PERFECT AND IT PRESENTS CHALLENGES BECAUSE IT'S PRESENTED AS THOUGH IT'S A SOLUTION.
BUT THEN THERE'S LIKE HUGE PROBLEMS WITH HOW THE DATA'S REPORTED IN NIGHTTIME VERSUS DAYTIME AND, AND WHAT THE IMPACTS ARE ON, ON THE OFFICERS AS TO, YOU KNOW, UM, THEIR ABLE, THEIR ABILITY TO PERCEIVE SOMEONE'S RACE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT'S BASED ON IS THEIR PERCEPTION, RIGHT? SO I THINK THAT'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF ADDRESSING IN OUR REPORT.
LIKE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE FACED WAS LOOKING AT THIS DATA AND, AND THE INTENDED SOLUTION FROM THE STATE LEGISLATURE TO, TO ADDRESS AN ISSUE, BUT IT LEAVES SOME BIG GAPS OR SOME, UM, OPPORTUNITIES FOR IMPROVEMENT.
AND I THINK THAT'S A PERFECT THING FOR US TO, TO MAYBE HIGHLIGHT IN OUR REPORT.
SO WHAT I'M HEARING AND, AND I THINK THAT'S GREAT.
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SO THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO REPORT TO CITY COUNCIL.SO TO TAKE ALL OF THESE THINGS, THE IPA'S ANNUAL REPORT, THE POLICE POLICIES OF THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER THING, THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO SAY THIS HAS BASICALLY BEEN A LEARNING YEAR.
AND YEAH, I MEAN IT IS AMAZING HOW MANY, HOW MANY TOPICS WE'VE ALREADY BEEN THROUGH WHEN IT SOMETIMES DOES FEEL LIKE WE HAVEN'T DONE A THING.
YEAH, I THINK, I THINK IT, THIS IS, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE THE WORK OF, OF THE COMMITTEE AND THE CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU'RE HAVING.
UM, SO I THINK W WE WILL, I WANNA MAYBE HELP THE COMMITTEE REFOCUS ON REALLY WHAT I THINK IS THE VALUE AND THE INTENT OF TONIGHT, WHICH IS JUST THE CONTEXT OF WHAT SOME OF THE, THE TOPICS ARE THAT SHOULD BE IN THE REPORT ITSELF.
AND THEN WE'LL CONTINUE WORKING, UM, WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND WITH THE CITY MANAGER ON MAYBE IDENTIFYING SOME OF THE PATH OF HOW TO BRING THAT REPORT FORWARD AND HAVE THAT BETTER DEFINED FOR THE COMMITTEE.
UM, AND THEN WHEN WE CAN COME BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING, MAYBE HAVE SOME OF THAT FRAMEWORK OR WE CAN HAVE HAD THE CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT MAYBE SOME OF THE CONTENTS OF THE SUBSTANCE OF THE REPORT IS, AND WE CAN BRING THOSE TWO IN A, IN BETTER ALIGNMENT.
BUT I DO THINK AS, UH, BOTH THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS HAVE RAISED, YOU KNOW, RIPA WAS A CON AN ITEM OF CONSIDERABLE ATTENTION.
AND, UH, I THINK FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THERE WAS A, A PRETTY, PRETTY, UM, VARYING DEGREES OF OPINION ABOUT THE TOPIC FROM THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
UM, AND SO I THINK THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS REPORT, ONE OF THE THINGS AND UM, THE COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, NOW CAN, CAN ADVOCATE FOR THIS IS THIS IS, UH, A BODY OF THE COMMITTEE.
AND SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE COMMENTS FROM THE COMMITTEE, UM, NOT JUST INDIVIDUALS.
AND SO THOSE ARE REALLY DIFFICULT TOPICS TO FIND.
WHAT, WHAT DO WE WANT TO SPEAK OF THERE? AND MAYBE THIS CONVERSATION IS THAT THIS WAS A REALLY CHALLENGING CONVERSATION FOR US TO HAVE AND WE DIDN'T EVEN AGREE AS COMMITTEE MEMBERS ON THE TOPIC.
AND WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE THE DEPARTMENT TO EXPLORE ANALYSIS.
WE'D LIKE THE IPA TO CONTINUE REVIEWING AND COLLECTING DATA AND REPORTING BACK ON THIS AND FINDING WAYS THAT ARE MEANINGFUL TO OUR COMMUNITY TO LOOK AT THAT DATA.
THOSE ARE THINGS THAT RESONATE FOR ME.
AND I THINK THAT ON EITHER SIDE OF THAT ISSUE, UM, THE COMMUNITY AND THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS WOULD PROBABLY APPRECIATE HAVING MORE DIALOGUE ON THE TOPIC OF ITSELF TO BETTER FIGURE OUT IF THEIR OPINION IS, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY CONTINUE TO BE OR DOES THERE'S SOMETHING THAT COMPELS THEM TO MOVE THE NEEDLE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
AND SO I THINK THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF CONVERSATIONS WHEN I REFLECT BACK ON THE ENABLING LEGISLATION FOR THIS COMMITTEE AND THE CHARTER IS THOSE ARE THE CONVERSATIONS AND THE EDUCATION AND REGARDLESS OF OPINIONS, UM, THAT WE WANT THE COMMUNITY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT, WHY IT MAY BE IMPORTANT, AND ALLOW THEM THE OPPORTUNITIES TO HEAR THOSE CONVERSATIONS, DRAW THE STRINGS FROM THAT AND DEDUCT THEIR KIND OF OWN OPINIONS AND HOPEFULLY EXPRESS THOSE TO YOU IN THOSE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT OR ASK YOU TO SAY, HEY, I'M THINKING ABOUT THIS.
CAN YOU ADVOCATE FOR THIS CO-PRODUCTION OF THE CONVERSATION IN THE NEXT MEETING? OR, I'D LIKE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THIS.
UM, BUT I THINK THAT IS A GREAT TOPIC.
UM, AND I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE RAISED SOME REALLY GREAT TOPICS ON THE LONG RANGE CALENDAR, SETTING A TRAJECTORY OF WHERE TO GO ON DIFFERENT CONVERSATIONS THAT I THINK WILL, UH, FEEL A LITTLE BIT MORE OPERATIONAL.
UM, AGAIN, I THINK WE SET AND CURED A FOUNDATION TO NOW HAVE A LOT OF THESE CONVERSATIONS ON THESE DIFFICULT CONVERSATIONS.
'CAUSE THERE'S A BASELINE THAT YOU HAVE HELPED US EDUCATE THE COMMUNITY THAT MAY NOT BE LOOKED TO AS SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS LIKE YOU ALL ARE NOW IN YOUR, YOUR FIRST YEAR OF SEASONING UP.
SO, UM, I'LL LEAVE IT THERE AND THEN, UH, TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU CHAIR ON HOW YOU WANT TO MAYBE HELP US AND HELP STAFF, UM, DETERMINE KIND OF SOME OF THE FRAMEWORK AND THE STRUCTURE BASED ON POTENTIALLY SOME OF THE, THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT DEPUTY CHIEF MCGOWAN PRESENTED.
UH, AS A SUMMARY OF WHAT I UNDERSTAND, I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY NICE TO ARTICULATE A VERY SHORT SUMMARY TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AS WAS ADVISED.
JUST HAVE CHRIS COME IN AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE DID.
THIS IS OUR FIRST YEAR, WE'VE LEARNED A LOT AND WE'RE STILL LEARNING.
THE FOLLOWING WILL BE A MORE ACCURATE AS TO WHAT WE CAN SEE A BETTERMENT.
THIS IS JUST A LOT OF INFORMATION TO BE ABLE TO START BEING TOO CRITICAL ABOUT IT.
I, IN MY OPINION, AND I WILL JUST, UH, PROBABLY DIRECT EVERYONE TO
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SEND EMAILS.WE CAN CHOOSE TWO OF US TO RECEIVE THEM OF YOUR OPINION, WHAT YOU LEARNED THIS YEAR OR WHAT YOU WANT THAT SUMMARY TO LOOK LIKE.
AND THEN MAYBE WE HAVE A COUPLE OF PARAGRAPHS THAT CAN BE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL.
IS THAT OKAY? I'M SORRY, I MISSED THAT LAST PART.
HE SAID, ALRIGHT, OR VICE CHAIR SAID MY
SO WE COULD, SO I, LET'S CLARIFY SOME MORE.
SO WE COULD ALWAYS HAVE A AD HOC COMMITTEE MADE OF LESS THAN A QUORUM CREATE THE REPORT.
WE WOULDN'T WANT EVERYONE SHARING IT WITH TWO MEMBERS OUTSIDE OF HERE.
SO, BUT IF HERE EVERYONE WANTS TO DO IT AND THEN SAY TWO MEMBERS, SO LONG AS IT'S LESS THAN A QUORUM.
SO WE COULD ALSO DO THREE WANT TO VOLUNTEER TO PREPARE THAT REPORT AND THEN WE COULD SHARE IT AT THE NEXT MEETING AND EVERYONE COULD GIVE THEIR FEEDBACK.
SO WE CAN'T SEND, SO WE CAN'T SEND A EMAIL.
WE, IF THE CONCERN WITH THAT WOULD BE THEN WE COULD HAVE A SERIAL MEETING BECAUSE WITH EMAILS YOU MAY HAVE TWO, THEN ONE MORE AND THEN THE FIFTH, AND THEN IT COULD BE A SERIAL MEETING UNDER THE BROWN ACT.
UM, COULD WE HAVE THE EMAILS SENT TO A STAFF MEMBER AND THEN THEY'RE COLLECTED AND THEN THAT AD HOC COMMITTEE REVIEWS WHAT WAS PROVIDED SO THEN THAT THERE'S NO WAY OF BACK AND FORTH.
SO BY STAFF MEMBER WE THINKING WE WOULD HAVE LIKE OUR, EVERYONE HERE SEND ME EMAILS TO SAY, UH, CHIEF DEPUTY MCALLEN, HE WOULD THEN SHARE THOSE WITH THE AD HOC COMMITTEE.
THE AD HOC COMMITTEE, THE AD HOC COMMITTEE WOULD THEN TAKE IT TOGETHER AND PUT IT, YEAH, SO LET ME, UM, MAYBE I DIDN'T EXPLAIN WHAT THE, THE, THE CONCEPT WAS OR THE, THE IDEA THAT WE CAME WITH, UM, BECAUSE OF THE BROWN ACT AND, AND SOME OF THE, THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE WITH CREATING A, A BODY REPORT, UM, TO GO TO COUNCIL.
AND WHAT I WAS SOLICITING WAS EXACTLY THAT.
UM, THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE INCORPORATED INTO THAT ANNUAL REPORT, I COMPILE THOSE COMMENTS, PUT THEM INTO A DRAFT FORM ANNUAL REPORT THAT THEN COMES BACK TO ALL OF YOU FOR REVIEW AND DISCUSSION.
AND THEN IT JUST LIKE THE IPA IN A REPORT, JUST LIKE 84, 81, UM, WHEN WE'RE REVIEWING THOSE REPORTS, WE CAN THEN MAKE MODIFICATIONS TO THEM, UM, TO MAKE THEM MORE COMPREHENSIVE OF EVERYBODY'S FEEDBACK PRIOR TO GOING TO COUNCIL.
UM, IT, IT WOULD REQUIRE US MAKING MODIFICATIONS TO THE LONG RANGE CALENDAR, UM, SPECIFICALLY WHAT WHAT WE HAVE NEXT MONTH AND MAYBE PUSHING THAT OFF TO OCTOBER, UM, WITH, YOU KNOW, I CAN DEFINITELY RECEIVE EMAILS AND COMPILE A LIST AND THEN BRING IT BACK AND THEN EVERYBODY CAN REVIEW THE LIST AND, BUT THAT'S JUST GONNA BE A VERY, UM, LENGTHY PROCESS IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY CREATING THE ANNUAL REPORT, UM, ABSENT SOME SORT OF A SUBCOMMITTEE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, COULD BE PROBLEMATIC ALSO, COULD YOU COMPILE THEM, SEND THE DRAFT TO US, WE ALL SEPARATELY THEN RESPOND BACK TO YOU JUST BECAUSE I GET YOUR POINT OF I DON'T WANNA TAKE THREE MEETINGS TRYING TO LIKE HAVE THIS PUBLIC CONVERSATION.
COULD WE, COULD WE DO THAT? BECAUSE THAT WAY WE'RE STILL NOT TALKING TO EACH OTHER, BUT WE STILL HAVE A CHANCE TO, IF WE DO A, A SHORT, A SMALLER GROUP TO ABIDE BY THE BROWN ACT, WHICH IS FINE, THERE INHERENTLY WILL BE WHAT, LIKE THREE OR FOUR OF US WHO WE WOULD HAVE THREE.
SO HERE A QUORUM WOULD BE FOUR OR MORE.
SO WE COULD HAVE TWO OR OR THREE, AN AD HOC GROUP OF TWO OR THREE OF YOU.
SO FOUR, FOUR OF US WOULD JUST HAVE TO BE LIKE, OKAY, LIKE SUMMARIZE IT FOR US.
I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE, THE CONSTRAINTS THERE.
I'M JUST SAYING IF THERE WAS A WAY THAT I, WE COULD RECEIVE THE DRAFT INDIVIDUALLY, GIVE FEEDBACK, SO YOU MIGHT GET REDUNDANT FEEDBACK, BUT FINE, THEN MAYBE WE COULD SAVE IT STEP.
WOULD IT MAKE SENSE, SINCE YOU'VE SEEN THE POWERPOINT AND I DIDN'T CHECK IF THAT WAS DISTRIBUTED TO YOU BEFOREHAND.
IT CAN BE DISTRIBUTED TO EVERYONE AND PUBLISHED ONLINE SO THE COMMUNITY COULD SEE IT.
EVERYONE HAS AN IDEA OF WHAT DEPUTY CHIEF MCGOWAN'S ALREADY PUTTING HAS AN IDEAS FOR THE REPORT.
EVERYONE COULD EMAIL THEIR OWN IDEAS TO HIM BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING.
JUST TO CLARIFY IT, THE PRESENTATION WAS ONLINE ON THE
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H TM L LINK ON THE AGENDA, UH, WEBSITE.UM, WHEN WOULD YOU LIKE, UM, THE COMMENTS BY, SO IF YOU CAN PROVIDE THE COMMENTS BY JUNE 15TH, UM, THAT SHOULD PROVIDE ME, UH, WITH ADEQUATE TIME TO PREPARE SOMETHING THAT WOULD NEED TO BE PUBLISHED PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
YEAH, I I I THINK MY ONLY COMMENT OF CAUTIONARY TALE IS, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S A REASON, THERE'S SEVEN OF YOU ON THIS COMMITTEE AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN 40 MINUTES LEFT IN THIS MEETING TONIGHT.
I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY AND I HOPE AND ENCOURAGE YOU TO HAVE DIALOGUE ABOUT THESE THINGS.
AND AND THAT'S REALLY AGAIN, YOU KNOW, AS, AS I MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE PUBLIC, THEY MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE FINDING THE TIME TO COME DOWN HERE, BUT THEY ARE WATCHING THE RECORDINGS AND WE'VE SEEN THAT.
AND SO, UM, WHILE I APPRECIATE A TRANSMITTAL OF COMMENTS, I THINK THE REAL, THE REAL VALUES IN THE DIALOGUE, AND I POINT YOU BACK TO THAT CONVERSATION YOU WERE STARTING TO HAVE ABOUT EVEN THE RIPA PIECE OF LIKE, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU SEEKING? I THINK THOSE ARE THE MEANINGFUL CONVERSATIONS THAT I THINK, UH, I, I HOPE YOU HAVE.
AND I MAYBE, MAYBE WE CAN EVEN FOR THE BENEFIT OF THAT, WALK BACK THROUGH SOME OF THOSE SLIDES AND TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF THE INTENT IS TO SEND IN COMMENTS, ARE WE WANTING TO WORK IN THIS STRUCTURE? ARE THESE THE BUCKETS OF TOPICS THAT WE SHOULD BE COVERING? IF THEY ARE GREAT, SHOULD WE, DO WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT ANY OF THOSE HERE AND START SHARING OUR THOUGHTS AS WE CONTINUE TO CONSIDER WHAT, WHAT SUBMISSIONS YOU MAY WANT TO SEND IN.
BUT I THINK AS YOU KNOW, THE ONE OPPORTUNITY THAT I'LL SAY IS YOUR TRANSMITTAL OF A COMMENT IF IT'S NOT CAPTURED IN THE FINAL REPORT, MAY NOT BE SOMETHING THAT IS SPOKEN INTO THE RECORD.
AND SO IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT SPOKEN INTO THE RECORD, THIS IS THAT OPPORTUNITY.
UM, AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK THE COMMUNITY INTEREST AND THE TRANSPARENCY HAPPENS.
WELL, I DEFINITELY THINK THAT THE REPORT SHOULD INCLUDE AS THE ASK WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU INCLUDED, ESPECIALLY ALL OF THE, THE TOPICS THAT WE WERE TAUGHT ABOUT AND DEFINITELY INCLUDE THAT THIS HAS BEEN A LEARNING PROCESS FOR ALL OF US AND DEFINITELY INCLUDE THAT.
IT'S CHALLENGING TO TALK ABOUT THE BIAS DISPARITIES, THE, ALL THIS STUFF PEOPLE HAVE COME IN.
WE'VE HAD A WHOLE PERSON COMING IN ABOUT, UM, WHAT WAS THE, THE TOPIC, OH, THE EXPLAINING THE DISPARITY DATA.
BUT STILL LIKE, AGAIN, TWO REPORTS.
THERE'S STILL LIKE, FOR A A, A MANY, MANY, MANY REASONS, I'M NOT AT ALL DISPARAGING ANYBODY, BUT IT DEF DEFINITELY SEEMS LIKE BROWN PEOPLE ARE DEFINITELY, UM, HAVE MORE INTERACTIONS WITH THE POLICE THAN WHITE PEOPLE.
SO, UM, OR, UM, A PORTION OF, UH, OF THE, OF OUR CITY.
SO I MEAN, TO JUST INCLUDE THE FACT THAT THIS IS AN ONGOING CONVERSATION THAT EVERYBODY'S LOOKING INTO.
I DO RECALL, UM, THAT THE AUDITOR LAST TIME, UH, WAS TALKING ABOUT HOW THAT THE IPA DOES NOT REALLY DO AN ANALYSIS OF THE DATA UNLESS THERE'S A COMPLAINT ABOUT SOMETHING.
SO IT'S A MATTER OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT, IT'S CHALLENGING 'CAUSE THERE'S JUST A LOT OF INFORMATION AND IT DOESN'T REALLY MAKE SENSE.
SO YEAH, BUT I, I THINK THAT'S FAIR, JUST JUST TO SAY THAT IT'S CHALLENGING AND WE DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER.
WE'RE LEARNING HOW THE PROCESS IS, SO WE DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER.
SO I AGREE WITH YOU A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT WE'RE MAKING AN EFFORT TO TRY TO DIRECT THAT INFORMATION THE BEST WAY WE CAN.
I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE TOO, TO HAVE A SPOT.
IT'S REALLY HARD FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO TALK ABOUT IF THEY'RE DOING A GOOD JOB BECAUSE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THEMSELVES.
SO, UM, I WOULD LOVE THERE TO BE SOMETHING IN THERE THAT PERSONALLY I'VE BEEN VERY IMPRESSED WITH HOW PREPARED YOU ALWAYS, YOU ALL ARE, ALWAYS ARE, UM, WITH THE PRESENTATIONS, ORGANIZATIONS, PRINTS, PRINTOUTS.
I'VE NEVER FELT LIKE I WALKED IN AND YOU WERE UNPREPARED.
THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A TIME I WAS UNPREPARED, BUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A TACTFUL WAY TO KIND OF SAY THAT EITHER JUST ME OR US AS A GROUP FOUND THAT YOU, YOU REALLY TOOK IT SERIOUSLY.
UM, AND THAT I FELT LIKE IF I MADE A COMMENT, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, THE MONTHLY STATS CHART, I THINK THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT I COMPLAINED ABOUT WITH THE, WHEN THE IPA WAS GIVING A, UM, PRESENTATION, I WAS LIKE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THESE STATS ROLL OVER AND
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NOW WE HAVE IT AS SOMETHING THAT'S STANDING ON THERE AND THAT, THAT HAPPENED FROM ONE MEETING TO THE NEXT.AND IT, YOU KNOW, IF I EVER, IF I'VE EVER SAID ANYTHING THAT'S LIKE, OH, I'D LOVE TO SEE THIS THING, OR WE'D LOVE TO FIND OUT ABOUT COMMUNITY OUTREACH NEXT MEETING.
WE TALKED ABOUT IT WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND THIS IS WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY.
SO I'VE PERSONALLY BEEN PRETTY IMPRESSED WITH THAT.
AND THERE'S A WAY THAT WE CAN CONVEY THAT TO THE CITY COUNCIL, THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS TAKING THIS VERY SERIOUSLY AND IS VERY ACTIVE.
UM, BECAUSE I THINK THAT EVEN IF THEY DON'T KNOW NECESSARILY WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DEFINITELY DOES.
UM, I'VE ALSO REALLY LOVED THE SAFE TEAM PRESENTATION, SO I WOULD LOVE AN EMPHASIS ON THAT, LIKE I'VE LEARNED.
SO I TALK ABOUT THAT IN THE COMMUNITY ALL THE TIME.
UM, I'M VERY IMPRESSED WITH THAT.
I LOVE HOW IT'S REDUCED TRANSPORTS TO THE HOSPITALS AND UM, I LOVED THE PRESENTATION THAT WAS GIVE, UH, GIVEN FROM PETAL ALONE PEOPLE SERVICES.
UM, AND THEN LASTLY, ONE OTHER THING THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT TO HIGHLIGHT IS HOW DIFFERENT WE ALL ARE.
I'M, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE GENERATIONS YOUNGER THAN CERTAIN PEOPLE AND I HAVE MY OWN SET OF SKILLS AND YOU ALL HAVE YOUR OWN SET OF SKILLS AND WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT WE CAN REACH.
AND UM, I'M NOT SURE THE COMPOSITION OF OTHER, UH, COMMITTEES, BUT I'M PRETTY HAPPY WITH THE FACT THAT WE ALL ARE SO, UM, REPRESENTATIVE OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN PETALUMA.
AND I THINK THAT'S IN IMPORTANT, BY THE WAY.
SECOND, THE THING ABOUT SAFE THAT WAS, AND ALSO, AND ALSO THE HOW, HOW YOU ARE ARE LIKE EMBRACING THIS PROCESS, WHICH IS FABULOUS.
SO DEFINITELY, I DEFINITELY SECOND WHAT JULIE SAID,
YEAH, THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS HAS SHOWN A LOT OF PROFESSIONALISM AND PATIENCE WITH US,
'CAUSE SERIOUSLY, IT'S BEEN AMAZING AS WELL AS, UH, THE CONSULTANT GROUP.
THEY'VE BEEN VERY ON TASK AND THE INFORMATION'S BEEN VERY CLEAR AND DETAILED.
UM, I HAVE BEEN LIAISON TO OTHER COMMITTEES IN, UM, THE CITY AND WE ACTUALLY, AS A PARKS AND RECS COMMITTEE WENT ON A FIELD TRIP AND WE TOURED NUMEROUS PARKS AND THE FAIRGROUNDS AND HAVE WE EVER THOUGHT ABOUT GOING TO THE POLICE STATION AND HAVING A, A GUIDED TOUR.
AND WHAT YOU DO IS YOU POST IT AS THIS IS THE, THE PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORY COMMITTEE AT THIS LOCATION.
AND IT STARTS AT THIS TIME AND ENDS AT THIS TIME.
AND, UM, I WAS JUST IN THE LEADERSHIP CLASS THIS LAST YEAR AND I SPENT THE WHOLE DAY THERE AND LEARNED SO MUCH.
AND ALSO, UM, EVEN IF WE DID, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS IN A VEHICLE BECAUSE A LOT HAS TO DO WITH WHAT'S IN THOSE VEHICLES, THAT'S LIKE AN OFFICE TO OUR POLICE OFFICERS, UM, AND THE MOTORCYCLES AND WHAT, UM, WE ARE GOING TO DO IN THE FUTURE.
UM, I THINK THE, UM, CITY MANAGER SAID WE'RE LOOKING AT A PROPOSAL IN AUGUST FOR THE CITY COUNCIL, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO, OR OUR PUBLIC SAFETY CENTER THAT WE'RE, AND TRYING TO BUILD AT THE PORTION OF THE FAIRGROUNDS.
SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT I'M THINKING, UM, THAT MAYBE THIS COMMITTEE MIGHT WANT TO THINK OF DOING IN THE FUTURE SO THAT WE'RE NOT JUST HERE TOGETHER, BUT WE TAKE A FIELD TRIP AND, UM, EVEN GO OUT IN THE YARD AND, AND SEE A SAFE TEAM, UM, VAN AND HOW, UM, THEY OPERATE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, ALSO, UM, I WAS JUST AT THE SWEARING IN AND PINNING OF, UM, WAS IT SIX NEW OFFICERS AND TWO STAFF MEMBERS, AND IT WAS HELD HERE 'CAUSE IT WAS SUCH A LARGE, AND THAT WAS VERY, UM, JUST, I WAS SO PROUD OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN TO ONE, I DON'T KNOW IF IF THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE GET INVITED, BUT USUALLY THEY'RE HELD AT THE POLICE STATION AND IT'S A VERY SMALL INTIMATE, AND THIS WOULD, WE FILLED UP THE SCHOOL CHAMBERS AND INTO THE HALLWAY AND IT'S A OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, GIVE A FACE TO WHO WE ARE AS COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO OUR, UM, UNIFORMED OFFICERS TO OTHER STAFF MEMBERS AND TO THEIR FAMILIES AND COMMUNITY WHO ARE BEHIND THEM.
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UM, INDIVIDUAL I JUST MET THE OTHER DAY AT THE BIDING WITH OUR CHAPLAIN AND HE TOLD ME, HE ACTUALLY IS THE ONE WHO INTRODUCED THE, THE, THE, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL IT, THE DUTY OF CHAPLAIN IN OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.I SAID, WHY HAVEN'T WE RECOGNIZED YOU? WHY HAVEN'T WE DONE THIS? AND IT WAS REALLY, UM, HEARTWARMING.
I LEARNED SOMETHING EVERY TIME I COME TO ONE OF THESE THINGS.
YEAH, I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU RECALL FROM THE ENABLING KIND OF LEGISLATION THERE WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, OPPORTUNITIES ENCOURAGED TO COME TO TOWN HALL MEETINGS, TO DO RIDE ALONGS, TO GO THROUGH THE COMMUNITY ACADEMY.
I KNOW, UM, COMMITTEE MEMBER KEARNEY WAS IN THE, THE MOST RECENT CLASS YOU WENT THROUGH LEADERSHIP PETALUMA, UM, STILL WELCOME AND ENCOURAGE ANY, ANY OF YOU.
I THINK, UM, COMMITTEE MEMBER MACIAS HAS DONE A RIDE ALONG PREVIOUSLY, BUT THAT'S WELCOME.
UH, WE, WE MAY HAVE SOME COMPLEXITIES ON HOSTING A PUBLIC MEETING IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE WE, WE DO HAVE SOME REQUIREMENTS WHERE NOT EVERY COMMUNITY MEMBER MAY BE ABLE TO JUST ENTER LIKE A PUBLIC MEETING SPACE, BUT, UM, WE'RE HAPPY TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT SOME OF THOSE.
I WOULD SAY, UH, THAT WE HAVE PETAL ILLUMINATE OUT COMING UP HERE IN AUGUST, WHICH I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.
THAT COULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMITTEE TO DO SOME OUTREACH AND TABLE AT THE EVENT AND TALK ABOUT BEING A COMMITTEE MEMBER THERE.
BUT THOSE ARE ALL WELCOMED, UM, OPPORTUNITIES AND SO I, I DO APPRECIATE THE COMPLIMENTS AND THE KIND WORDS.
UM, I THINK THAT, UH, THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE BESIDES ACKNOWLEDGING THE PROFESSIONALISM OF OUR STAFF, WHICH IS IS ONE OF THE HIGHEST COMPLIMENTS I THINK WE CAN RECEIVE IS, IS, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBER MACIAS COMMENTS ABOUT, UM, HAVING VOICE.
AND THIS COMMITTEE WAS ABOUT GIVING THE PUBLIC VOICE AND INPUT AND THERE WAS AN OBSERVATION MADE.
IT LED TO, WE HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ACTIVITY OF THE DEPARTMENT AND THE IPA ON WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT AND THE REGULARITY OF WHICH THEY'RE LOOKING AT THAT AND HOW DO WE BETTER UNDERSTAND THE VOLUME OF WORK AND, AND, AND REVIEW THAT'S HAPPENING.
AND YOU, YOU GUIDED US BECAUSE ADMITTEDLY WE ARE, UH, ONE YEAR INTO HOSTING A COMMITTEE AS YOU ARE ONE YEAR INTO SERVING ON A COMMITTEE.
SO WE ARE, WE'RE LEARNING TOGETHER IN THIS PROCESS, BUT THAT, THAT, THAT LED TO MEANINGFUL CHANGE AND INPUT AND NOW IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BECOME STANDARDIZED.
SO I THINK THAT THAT TO ME IS ALSO REFLECTIVE OF WHAT THIS COMMITTEE REALLY STANDS FOR IS BRINGING SOMETHING UP, ASKING A QUESTION, UM, AND US TRYING TO IDENTIFY THE WAY THAT WE CAN SHARE THAT THAT IS, UM, IN ACCORDANCE WITH LEGAL REQUIREMENTS AND THE PROCESSES OF CITY REGULATIONS.
BUT, BUT TO ENHANCE AWARENESS ON THESE TOPICS OF PUBLIC INTEREST.
AND SO I THINK DISCUSSING EXACTLY THAT POINT TO THE COMMUNITY AND SHARING AND SHARING KIND OF A, A LOOK, WE ASKED THIS QUESTION AND WE, WE'VE NOW CREATED A TRACKING TOOL THAT CAN, IS REPRESENTATIVE OF EXACTLY WHAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S ARE VIEWING WITH OUR AUDITOR AND WHAT OUR AUDITOR'S LOOKING AT AT A MONTHLY BASIS I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT AND PARAMOUNT TO SHOW THAT THE, THE INFLUENCE THE COMMITTEE HAS.
I THINK, DO WE HAVE ANY MORE TO DISCUSS ABOUT THIS POINT? UH, WE CAN MOVE ON.
ALRIGHT, SO I'LL JUST, CAN I JUST ASK MY STAFF, DO WE FEEL THAT WE HAVE ADEQUATE DIRECTION AND THAT YOU WILL BE CE ANTICIPATING TO RECEIVE FURTHER COMMENTS VIA EMAIL TO YOU AND THEN WE'LL COMPILE THOSE AND WE'LL BRING THOSE BACK TO THE JUNE UH, MEETING.
IS THAT A FAIR ASSESSMENT OF THE COMMITTEE'S DIRECTION AND OUR UNDERSTANDING? YEAH, LOOKING AT THE LONG RANGE CALENDAR, THERE MAY BE, UM, SOME FURTHER CONSIDERATION IN TERMS OF THE JULY AND JUNE MEETING.
UM, THE AB 4 81 REPORT IS SCHEDULED TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL ON AUGUST 4TH, UM, WITH IT SCHEDULED TO COME BEFORE THE PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON JULY 23RD.
UM, SO WE MAY NEED TO LOOK AT TIMETABLES REGARDING PUBLISHING FOR CITY COUNCIL AND MOVE 4 81 TO JUNE AND THEN OUR ANNUAL REPORT REVIEW FOR THIS COMMITTEE TO THE JULY MEETING.
BUT, UM, I THINK THAT WILL NEED TO BE A, A FOLLOW UP CONVERSATION.
YOU SO, UH, MR. CHAIR DO, DO WE NEED TO GIVE DIRECTION TO THAT? WE'RE LIKE IF THAT'S THE, THE NEED OF THE STAFF THAT WE ARE FINE WITH THAT CHANGE TO THE CALENDAR? YEAH.
AS TO THE LONG-TERM CALENDARS, I'LL BASE IT ON HIS KNOWLEDGE 'CAUSE I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO
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UNDERSTAND.I'D RATHER YOU HAVE THE RIGHT SCHEDULE AND TIMELINE FOR WHAT YOU NEED.
I WOULD JUST ADD FOR THE 4 81 REPORT, WE HAVE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS TO BRING THAT TO COUNSEL, WHEREAS THE ANNUAL REPORT FOR THE PSAC IS JUST AN ANNUAL REPORT.
SO WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY TO GIVE YOU TIME TO DISCUSS THIS WE AND LESS STATUTORY GUIDELINES.
SO IF ONE OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS JUST WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION TO BRING THIS DISCUSSION BACK IN JULY AND THEN THE 41 REPORT IN JUNE, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE THINKING? YES.
AND MOVING WHAT'S IN JUNE, WHICH IS THE BODY-WORN CAMERA POLICY AND RECRUITMENT AND BACKGROUND INVESTIGATIONS TO OCTOBER, WHICH IS CURRENTLY VACANT.
SO JUST SHUFFLING THREE MEETINGS TO ACCOMMODATE.
THE ONLY OTHER COMMENT I HAVE FOR THE COMMITTEE'S CONSIDERATION AND DIRECTION OF STAFF IS WE RUN INTO THIS PRETTY FREQUENTLY.
MILITARY EQUIPMENT IS A GREAT EXAMPLE, BUT CONVERSELY YOU SAW OUR ANNUAL REPORT THAT'S ON THE CALENDAR YEAR AND THEN SOMETIMES WE'RE ON FISCAL YEAR.
SO THE ONE OTHER THING, AND I DON'T WANT TO TAKE AWAY FROM YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO DO AN ANNUAL REPORT, BUT WE COULD ALSO WORK OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS AND HAVE CHECK-INS AND FEEDBACK AND ALIGN THIS WITH DECEMBER YOU PRODUCE AND COMPLETE MORE OF THE FIRST INITIAL LIKE AN 18 MONTH INITIAL REPORT, AND THEN YOU GET ON A CALENDAR YEAR GOING FORWARD.
UM, WHICH WOULD MAKE PROBABLY TO THE PUBLIC MORE SENSE THAT IT'S THE, YOU KNOW, 2025 PSAC ANNUAL REPORT INSTEAD OF GOING JULY TO JUNE 30TH EVERY YEAR.
BUT YOUR FIRST ONE WOULD BE COMPREHENSIVE FROM THE DATE OF, OF IMPLEMENTATION OF THE COMMITTEE THROUGH DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR.
AND NOW KNOWING WHAT WE'RE ENVISIONING FOR THE REPORT, WE COULD COLLECTIVELY BUILD AND HAVE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES IN IN SUBSEQUENT MID MEETINGS GOING FORWARD.
I'M JUST, I'M JUST LAUGHING INSIDE BECAUSE I'M REMEMBERING, I THINK IT WAS AT THE, IT COULDN'T HAVE BEEN IN THE DECEMBER MEETING THAT THERE WASN'T A DECEMBER MEETING, BUT IT WAS LIKE BEFORE THE, THAT MEETING.
AND I REMEMBER US FINDING OUT THAT, I THINK IT WAS ON FEBRUARY THAT WE WERE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT OUR ANNUAL REPORT AND WE WERE ALL LAUGHING, GOING LIKE, WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WE'RE DOING YET.
AND SO ACTUALLY I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.
'CAUSE LIKE NOW WE'RE LIKE, AT LEAST KNOW A LITTLE BIT WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WE'RE BEING ABLE TO FOLLOW THAT MONTHLY, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT MONTHLY STAT CHECK-IN.
AND WE'RE, I THINK, AND ALSO IF WE HAVE A COUPLE MONTHS, WE'LL BE ABLE TO SHAPE IT.
AND SO THE NEXT YEAR'S, THE FOLLOWING YEAR'S REPORTS WILL ALWAYS HAVE LIKE KIND OF A TEMPLATE.
THE ONLY CONCERN I WOULD HAVE WITH THAT IS I THINK OUR TERMS OF, OR OUR YEARLY TERMS END IN JUNE.
AND SO WE WOULD ALWAYS HAVE THIS WEIRD LIKE WHERE HALF OF, YOU KNOW, THREE OF US, OUR TERM MIGHT HAVE ENDED AND, YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS? THE COUNCIL MIGHT SAY, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T LIKE MS. MACIAS, THEY DON'T LIKE MR. KEARNEY, AND WE'RE GONE AND TWO, TWO NEW FOLKS TO COME IN.
AND SO THAT'S THE ONLY, ONLY CHALLENGE WITH THAT, THAT I SEE.
BUT, UM, I'D BE FINE WITH THE SUGGESTION OF THE THREE MEETING SWITCH.
SO JUNE WOULD BE THE MILITARY EQUIPMENT.
JULY WOULD BE BRINGING BACK THIS DISCUSSION, WHICH WE COULD STILL THEN SAY, NO, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE THIS ON AND HAVE IT AT END OF THE YEAR.
IT DOESN'T END THAT OPPORTUNITY.
AND THEN SEPTE OR OCTOBER WOULD BE BODY-WORN CAMERAS AND RECRUITMENT.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE THE MOTION I WOULD PUT FORWARD.
I JUST WANNA GIVE ONE MORE OPTION IS DO
I ALSO WANNA REMIND MY STAFF, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO PREPARE A COMPLETE MILITARY EQUIPMENT REPORT FOR THE FISCAL YEAR BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T BE COMPLETED BY THE TIME.
WE'D STILL BE PROBABLY A WEEK SHORT EVEN IN THE JULY MEETING, BUT WE'D BE A FULL MONTH, PROBABLY SHORT BASED ON THE, THE POSTING AND PUBLISHING ROUTING TYPE DATE.
SO I JUST WANNA CAUTION THAT IF WE, IF WE FEEL COMFORTABLE BRINGING THAT FORWARD.
BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN PUT, GIVE YOU A, A COMPREHENSIVE REPORT SO YOU CAN PROVIDE AMPLE FEEDBACK ON THAT, UM, BEFORE IT MOVES TO COUNCIL IN AUGUST.
UH, ALONG THE SIMILAR LINES, WE COULD ALWAYS AGENDIZE DISCUSSION OF THE ANNUAL PORT ON JUNE AND JULY AND MULTIPLE MONTHS.
SO WHEN THINGS COME IN, WE COULD DISCUSS IT.
IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE A FULL MEETING, RIGHT.
IT COULD BE A HALF AND JUST HAVE IT ON MULTIPLE MONTHS.
SO IT'S AN ONGOING DISCUSSION.
SO TO MS. GREEN'S POINT, WE CAN JUST MAKE IT A, A STANDING IS OR STANDING ITEM UNDER COMMITTEE COMMENT FOR THE NEXT COUPLE MEETINGS.
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MAKING IT.WE COULD DO THAT WAY, WE COULD JUST IZING IT AS A OKAY.
PRE, AS A TOPIC FOR DISCUSSION FOR THE JUNE, JULY, AND AUGUST JUST TO GIVE US THAT OPPORTUNITY, NOT KNOWING HOW MUCH TIME WE'LL TAKE ON OTHER MATTERS.
SO THEN DO WE NEED THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS? I MOTION THAT WE APPROVE, UH, THE CHANGES ADVISED.
SO THAT WOULD BE A SECOND TO MY MOTION THEN.
THEN WE'LL DO A ROLL CALL FOR THAT.
MILLER OR MILLER'S ABSENT OSLER? YES.
AND NOW, YES, MOTION IS APPROVED AND CARRIES.
AND I'M JUST GONNA MAKE A COMMENT FOR, UM, PUBLIC COMMENT.
I DID CHECK MY EMAILS, UM, FOR MIKE MILLER AND HE, UH, SAID A FEW THINGS, BUT I'LL JUST SAY THAT HE'S APOLOGIZING, HE MISSED THE MEETING.
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THE IPA TO PROVIDE COMMENTS ON THE MONTHLY STATS.UM, FIRST OF ALL, UH, I KNOW I SPEAK FOR JEFF WHEN I SAY I JUST REALLY APPRECIATE AND I'M EXCITED AND HONORED TO BE PART OF THIS PROCESS.
YOU GUYS HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE BEEN HERE A LITTLE FEW MONTHS LONGER THAN YOU ALL, BUT WE'VE WATCHED THE, AND AND IT'S NOT AN EASY PROCESS.
SO GIVING YOURSELVES SOME GRACE IN THE LEARNING IS, IS REALLY, UM, IMPORTANT BECAUSE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE IPA REPORT, I JUST WANNA TALK THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
SO WE, WE RECEIVED, WE WROTE A REPORT, AND BY THE WAY, IT WAS ACTUALLY, THE WRITTEN PART OF IT WAS ONLY 28 PAGES.
AND THE, WITH ALL THE AGENDA IT WAS 132.
SO THE, THE, THE APPENDICES ALL CREATED A LOT MORE VOLUME 'CAUSE WE WANTED TO PROVIDE THOSE, THAT INFORMATION.
BUT THE ACTUAL WRITTEN PART WAS, WAS NOT SUPER LONG, BUT WE DID TAKE IN ALL YOUR COMMENTS.
WE ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH IT METHODICALLY, JEFF AND I TOGETHER, AND WE UPDATED THAT REPORT.
UM, AND THEN WE PRESENTED IT TO CITY COUNCIL WITH THOSE EDITS.
SO I, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU KNEW THAT THAT HAD HAPPENED AS I WAS SHAKING MY HEAD.
SO WITH REGARD TO THE STATS AND THE REPORT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU, AGAIN, I REMIND THAT WE'RE REPORTING IN ON APRIL, EVEN THOUGH THIS IS MAY.
AND, UM, TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THE FIRST SECTION, THE USES OF FORCE.
SO THE INCIDENTS PENDING FROM LAST PERIOD, THERE WERE 11 INCIDENTS.
AND TO, UM, BACK UP A MINUTE, IF YOU REMEMBER, THERE WERE 14 USES OF FORCE THAT WERE REPORTED IN, THAT OCCURRED IN MARCH.
AND I HAD SAID THAT SOME OF THOSE MIGHT BE DISPLAYS VERSUS AN ACTUAL USE OF FORCE.
WE DIDN'T WANT, UH, I, WE TRIED TO SEPARATE THAT IN WRITTEN FORM AND IT DIDN'T, IT DIDN'T WORK.
SO, UM, I'M JUST GOING TO VERBALLY TELL YOU 'CAUSE I DID GO THROUGH THEM ALL.
SO OF THOSE 14 USES OF FORCE, FOUR OF THEM WERE DISPLAYS OF FORCE AND 10 WERE ACTUAL USES OF FORCE.
SO OF THOSE 14, 11 OF THOSE WERE ARE PENDING.
UM, AS OF APRIL, ACTUALLY AS OF MAY 1ST, THERE WERE FIVE ADDITIONAL USES OF FORCE IN THAT OCCURRED IN APRIL.
THERE WERE SEVEN USES OF FORCE THAT WERE, UH, INVESTIGATIONS THAT WERE REVIEWED BY THE DEPARTMENT AND FORWARDED TO US FOR REVIEW.
AND WE REVIEWED ALL SEVEN OF THOSE INVESTIGATIONS.
THE RELATED ACA, IF YOU A REMINDER THAT AN ACA IS AN AGREED UPON COURSE OF ACTION.
SO THAT'S A, A RECOMMENDATION OR A DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVE WITH THE DEPARTMENT WHERE WE ALL COME TO AN AGREEMENT THAT, THAT SOME ACTION SHOULD TAKE PLACE.
THERE WERE ZERO OF THE SEVEN THAT WE REVIEWED.
THAT IS A SLIGHT MODIFICATION TO THIS REPORT.
UM, AS YOU POINTED OUT, UM, THIS WAS A REQUEST FROM YOU ALL.
WE CREATED IT AND WE HAVE, WE HAVE NEEDED TO EVOLVE AS WE GO THROUGH SOME OF THESE STATS.
YOUR PRIOR ACAS, I'M TELLING YOU WHAT THE CHANGE WAS.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE BEGINNING, LIKE IN JANUARY THERE WERE SEVEN, AND THEN IN FEBRUARY THERE WERE FIVE.
WHAT WE WERE REPORTING THERE WAS OPEN, OPEN ACAS THAT HADN'T BEEN COMPLETED.
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THAT WASN'T A TRUE REPRESENTATION.SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO START REPORTING NOW IS RELATED ACAS TO THE USES OF FORCE THAT WE REVIEWED.
UH, SO I WANNA HESITATE THERE.
SO WE REVIEWED SEVEN USES OF FORCE SEVEN INVESTIGATIONS AND THE, THE FORCE INCLUDED.
AND OF THOSE THERE WERE NONE THAT HAD A, A RECOMMENDATION THAT WAS NEEDED OR A COURSE OF ACTION THAT WAS NEEDED.
IS THAT MAKING SENSE? I HOPE MR. CHAIR COULD I, SO DENISE, JUST TO CLARIFY.
IN THE SEVEN THAT WERE REVIEWED, ALL SEVEN, THE INDEPENDENT AUDITOR WAS IN CONCURRENCE WITH THE MANAGEMENT COURSE OF ACTION AND FELT THAT THE ACTIONS TAKEN BY MANAGEMENT WERE APPROPRIATE FOR THE INCIDENT REVIEWED.
UM, AND, AND, UM, SO THERE, THERE WERE NO ADDITIONAL THAT, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT BECAUSE WHEN WE REVIEW AN INVESTIGATION, WE REVIEW THE FORCE THAT WAS USED, WE REVIEW WHAT THE POLICE OFFICER'S ACTIONS, WE DO THAT THROUGH LOOKING AT THE BODY-WORN CAMERA.
BUT THEN WE ALSO ARE LOOKING AT THE INVESTIGATION DONE BY THE DEPARTMENT, BY THE MANAGERS.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT BOTH THE INCIDENT AND THE REVIEW OF THE INCIDENT.
AND IT, THE, THE ONLY TIME WE WOULD HAVE AN ACA IS IF THERE WAS SOME ADDITIONAL MEASURE THAT NEEDED TO BE TAKEN.
IN THIS CASE, THERE WERE NONE, RIGHT? SO ALL SEVEN WERE GOOD INVESTIGATIONS AND HAD ALREADY IN, IN MOST CASES, I CAN TELL YOU 'CAUSE WE'RE, I'M REVIEWING 'EM FIRSTHAND, WHAT WE FIND IS THAT THE SUPERVISORS HAVE ALREADY TAKEN ACTION.
IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT NEEDED TO BE CORRECTED, IT WAS DONE.
SO THERE IS NO ADDITIONAL CCA.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE WERE THREE THAT WERE CARRIED OVER THAT WERE PENDING PRIOR TO, UH, THE PERIOD BEING REPORTED.
SO PRIOR TO APRIL, THERE WAS ONE PURSUIT IN APRIL THAT OCCURRED.
THERE WAS ONE THAT WAS REVIEWED BY THE DEPARTMENT AND TWO THAT WERE REPORTED FROM US BECAUSE THOSE WOULD BE SOME THAT WERE CARRIED OVER, RIGHT? AGAIN, THERE WERE NO OFFICE REGARDING THOSE TWO PURSUITS THAT WE LOOKED AT.
MOVING ON TO COMPLAINTS, THERE WERE SEVEN PENDING.
THERE ARE SOME IN THE QUEUE, AS I THINK I'VE EXPLAINED.
COMPLAINTS TAKE A LITTLE LONGER.
THEY'RE A, A, A LONGER INVESTIGATION PROCESS.
UM, THE NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS THAT OCCURRED THIS, UH, IN APRIL WAS, IS TWO.
THERE WERE THREE REVIEWED BY THE DEPARTMENT AND WE DIDN'T REVIEW ANY.
NOW, PARTLY THAT HAPPENS BECAUSE IF THEY'RE SENT TO US AT THE VERY END OF THE MONTH, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TIME.
SO YOU SHOULD SEE THOSE COME UP NEXT TIME, NEXT MONTH.
SO I WILL, I WILL STOP THERE AND OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, PARDON ME? MY QUESTION IS, WHAT IS THE USE, WHAT DO YOU CONSIDER USE OF FORCE? IS IT SOMEBODY BEING PUT IN HANDCUFFS OR WHAT EXACTLY ARE THEY, ARE YOU LOOKING AT HERE? THAT'S A, UM, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION AND THAT'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT, THAT YOU ALL SHOULD BE REALLY YEAH.
UH, AT LEAST PARTIALLY FAMILIAR WITH.
UM, AND CHIEF, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO JUMP IN AND DEFINE USE OF FORCE BECAUSE IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S BASED ON THE PENAL CODE, THE CALIFORNIA PENAL CODE, BUT IT'S ALSO A DEPARTMENT POLICY.
SO I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I KNOW WHAT USE OF FORCE IS.
I JUST WANTED TO, UH, HAVE IT EXPLAINED, LIKE DID A COP GO UP AND JUST SHAKE SOMEBODY OR DID THEY TAKE HIM DOWN WHEN THEY HANDCUFFED HIM AND THAT'S CONSIDERED TOO FORCE, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHAT, OR OR IS IT JUST SOMEBODY CALLING IN AND SAYING, I DON'T LIKE THE WAY HE LOOKS, SO I'M GONNA COMPLAIN ABOUT HIM? YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? YEAH.
SO, SO IT, BOTH OF THOSE THINGS CAN BE CONTRIBUTORS, BUT THE WAY WE'RE TRACKING USES OF FORCE IS THE APPLICATIONS THAT WE APPLY TO AN INDIVIDUAL.
UM, SO IF SOMEONE COMPLAINED THAT THE OFFICER SHOOK THEM OR DID SOMETHING, THAT WOULD BE A COMPLAINT WHERE WE WOULD REVIEW WHAT FORCE WAS USED IN THAT SITUATION.
BUT WHEN WE'RE TRACKING AND REPORTING THE USES OF FORCE INCIDENTS, THAT'S WHEN OUR STAFF HAVE REPORTED THAT THEY USE, UH, FORCE, WHICH WE DEFINE AS BEING ANYTHING ABOVE AND BEYOND SIMPLE HANDCUFFING.
SO IF YOU TWIST SOMEONE'S ARM, DO PAIN COMPLIANCE TECHNIQUES, USE ANY OF OUR SAFETY EQUIPMENT, TOOLS, TASER, PEPPER SPRAY, UM, BATON, UM, IF YOU TACKLE THEM, RIGHT? SO BASICALLY ANYTHING THAT'S OUTSIDE OF ESCORTING THEM INTO
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A KIND OF A HANDCUFFING POSITION AND APPLYING THE HANDCUFFS IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED.WE, WE TRACK IT PRETTY, UM, ROBUSTLY WHERE I THINK WE, WE PROBABLY OVER REPORT SOME OF THOSE APPLICATIONS WHERE PEOPLE WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE WAS PULLING AWAY AND I TWISTED THEIR ARM AND I GOT 'EM IN AND THAT WAS STANDARD HANDCUFFING.
UM, SO WE KIND OF ERR ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION THERE AND THEN, UH, I'LL WALK YOU BACK.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SHOW OF FORCE IS WHERE WE HAVE DISPLAYED, UH, ONE OF THOSE ITEMS OF FORCE IN, IN AN, UH, INTERACTION WITH A COMMUNITY MEMBER GIVEN ORDERS OR COMMANDS, LIKE STOP OR YOU WILL BE TASED IS A SHOW OF FORCE INCIDENT.
UM, AND I'LL ALLOW, YOU KNOW, MY, MY PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS LIEUTENANT, LIEUTENANT AVIANO TO ADD ANY FURTHER COMMENTARY THAT I MAY HAVE MISSED THERE AS HE'S REVIEWING AND INTERPRETING AND APPLYING OUR DEPARTMENT POLICY INTO ALL OF THESE REVIEWS WITH OUR TEAM.
SO YOU, YOU DID A GOOD JOB SUMMARIZING THE USE OF FORCE.
AND I ALSO WOULD ENCOURAGE THE PUBLIC AND THOSE THAT ARE LISTENING THAT, UH, OUR USE OF FORCE POLICY POLICY 300, WHICH IS DIALED DEESCALATION USE OF FORCE IS PUBLICLY AVAILABLE ON OUR WEBSITE.
THAT DOES INCLUDE A DEFINITION OF, UH, USE OF FORCE ALONG WITH, UH, IT MIRRORS, UM, CALIFORNIA PENAL CODE 8 35 A, WHICH OUTLINES THE USE OF FORCE LAW IN CALIFORNIA.
YES, IT IS A REALLY GOOD QUESTION THOUGH.
AND, UM, SO TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, IT, IT DOES INCLUDE HANDCUFFING IF SOMEONE RESISTS AND THEN BRIEFLY, SO THERE THE THREE BUCKETS.
SO IF THERE WAS A SHORT PURSUIT AND THEN YOU KIND OF, THEY THE PERSON ALLEGES, YOU ROUGHLY HANDCUFFED THEM AND THEN THEY MADE A COMPLAINT, IT COULD FALL INTO ALL THREE CATEGORIES.
UH, THAT'S SO INTERESTING THAT YOU SHOULD ASK THAT YOU WERE MY FAVORITE STATS PERSON
WE'RE NOT GONNA REVIEW THEM IN A VACUUM.
HOWEVER, WE NEED TO REPORT ON EACH OF THOSE THINGS.
SO WE WILL BE REPORTING ON THEM SEPARATELY, BUT, BUT WE WOULD REVIEW THAT AS ONE INCIDENT.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS FROM THE STAFF?
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UH, ANY QUESTIONS FROM, UH, CHIEF MILLER OR YOUR STAFF? NO, NO.WE MEET REGULARLY WITH THE IPA, SO WE'LL
SO MR. CHAIR, WE DID SKIP COMMITTEE COMMENT IN CASE ANY OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS HAD SOMETHING SEPARATE FROM WHAT WE DISCUSSED THAT THEY WANTED TO COMMENT ON BEFORE WE CLOSE.
YEAH, I THINK I WANTED TO CLARIFY, UH, THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT.
UH, COMMITTEE MEMBER KEARNEY, BUT I ALSO, UNLESS OUR ROLL CALL VOTE OFF OF THE PRESENTATION WAS REFLECTIVE OF OUR REVIEW OF THE LONG RANGE CALENDAR, I DON'T KNOW FOR JUST MAYBE THE PUBLIC'S SAKE, WE SHOULD ALSO MAYBE LOOK AT THAT REAL QUICK AND THEN, UH, I BELIEVE WE DID INTERPRET YOUR MOTION AS TO HOW TO, HOW TO PROGRESS THROUGH THAT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO CALL THAT OUT.
SO LAST TIME WE, WE HAVE, WE DID SKIP OVER LONG RANGE CALENDAR HERE ON THE AGENDA.
AND SO LAST TIME I THOUGHT THERE WAS GONNA BE, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO DO THE COMMENT, BUT IT TURNED OUT THERE WASN'T AND WE WERE RUNNING LONG AND AFTERWARDS I HAD A LITTLE COMMUNICATION WITH MIKE AND THE CHIEF, UM, ABOUT SOMETHING THAT WE WANTED TO ADD TO A LONG RANGE CALENDAR.
AND I WAS TOLD THAT THAT'S LIKE NOW IS THE TIME.
SO ARE WE, ARE WE THERE NOW? YES.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THE LONG RANGE CALENDAR HOW THE POLICE NOTIFIES THE PUBLIC ABOUT INCIDENTS, THE NAW ALERTS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, HOW, UH, IF SOMEONE IS ACCUSED OF A CRIME, YOU CAN'T LIKE, USE THAT AGAINST THEM IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT, UM, AND A LOT OF DIFFERENT, UH, WAYS LIKE FOR EMPLOYMENT AND DIFFERENT THINGS.
'CAUSE IT'S AN ACCUSATION VERSUS A CONVICTION AND THE NICKELS COME OUT AND THE NICKELS SAY THE PERSON'S NAME.
AND THERE'S, THERE'S APPARENTLY ABSOLUTELY REASONS FOR IT.
BUT, UH, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, MIKE HAD A INCIDENCE WHERE ONE OF THOSE, ONE OF THOSE NICKLES DID LIKE AFFECT SOMEONE IN HIS COMMUNITY AND OR SCHOOL AT A SCHOOL I THINK THAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT.
AND THAT TO BRING IT UP TO ABOUT, ABOUT HOW WE SHOULD BE NOTIFYING THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO PROTECT PRIVACY INTERESTS AS WELL
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AS, UM, UM, COMPLYING WITH ALL THE, THE LEGAL ASPECTS OF, OF THESE NAW ALERTS.SO, UM, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION OF THE COMMITTEE, WE'D BE HAPPY TO INCLUDE THAT AT AN APPROPRIATE DATE OR A DATA DIRECTION.
IT IS IN OUR LIST OF ITEMS THAT WE HAD, UH, INCLUDED THERE.
IT'S ABOUT, UM, WHERE IS IT? IT'S ABOUT FIVE FROM THE BOTTOM PUBLIC ALERTS AND MEDIA RELEASES.
SO WE'D BE HAPPY TO EITHER INCLUDE THAT IN AN OPEN DATE OR IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DIRECT STAFF, WE CAN MOVE THINGS AROUND JUST BEING THOUGHTFUL OF THAT EARLIER CONVERSATION ON SOME OF THE STATUTORY GUIDELINES WE MAY HAVE FOR CERTAIN MEETINGS.
FROM WHAT I SEE, JUNE AND JULY ARE GONNA AND AUGUST ARE GONNA BE EXTREMELY PACKED.
BUT IF WE CAN DO THAT, UH, SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER TO INCLUDE THAT TYPE OF SURE.
I THINK IF, IF, IF YOU'D LIKE US, WE'D BE HAPPY TO PUT IT ON THAT OCTOBER OPEN DATE IF THAT'S THE, THE DESIRE OF THE COLLECTIVE COMMITTEE.
SECOND
WE WERE MOVING BODY-WORN CAMERA POLICY REVIEW AND RECRUITMENT AND BACKGROUND INVESTIGATIONS TO THE OCTOBER MEETING.
JULY WE WERE GOING TO IN, IN JUNE WE WERE COVERING THE, UH, 4 81.
AND THEN JULY WAS, UH, BACK TO THE, UM, ANNUAL REPORT, IF THAT'S WHAT WE VOTED ON.
YES, THE ANNUAL ANNUAL REPORT.
IF THE, UH, ANNUAL REPORT IS GONNA BE PUSHED TO POTENTIALLY DECEMBER WITH ONGOING DISCUSSIONS, WE CAN, UM, MOVE EITHER BODY WORN CAMERA AND RECRUITMENT TO THE JULY MEETING WITH A, YOU KNOW, ONGOING ANNUAL REPORT DISCUSSION OR THE, UM, PUBLIC ALERT MEDIA RELEASES.
UM, SO WE HAVE ROOM EITHER JULY OR OCTOBER, ALL MOTION TO PUT IN JULY.
UM, SO WE'RE GONNA DO, JUNE IS GONNA BE AB 41 ANNUAL REPORT.
JULY WILL BE MEDIA AND PRESS RELEASE WITH A A SUBCATEGORY OF THE ANNUAL REPORT.
UM, AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER WILL REMAIN THE SAME.
AND OCTOBER WILL BE BODY-WORN CAMERA AND RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION OR RECRUITMENT AND BACKGROUND.
AND, AND THE, BUT THE ANNUAL REPORT IS JUST AN ALSO A, A ONGOING YES.
SO, UM, MR. CHAIR, IF I CAN ASK, WE, WE CAN JUST DO VOICE VOTE.
WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ROLL CALL EVERY TIME, CORRECT? MS. GREEN.
WE DON'T NEED TO DO ROLL CALL TIME.
WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE ZONING ORDINANCE ORDINANCES.
SO, MR. CHAIR, THEN I, I THINK YOU, YOU COULD THEN JUST ASK ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
SO THEN YOU WOULD SAY THAT THE MOTION CARRIES.
I THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE EVERYBODY
AT THIS POINT, AT LEAST HERE, IT'S, WE'RE READY TO ADJOURN.