* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. RECORD IN PROGRESS. [00:00:02] GOOD EVENING ALL, AND WELCOME TO THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE PETALUMA CITY COUNCIL AND THE PETALUMA COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SUCCESSOR AGENCY FOR MONDAY, JUNE 16TH, 2025. UH, IF YOU WISH TO PROVIDE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD. THEY'RE IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM, AND, UH, BRING IT TO OUR CLERK WHO'S IN THE FRONT OF THE ROOM. AND NOW I'D LIKE TO INVITE MONICA RICCIO AND MARTIN RIVERA TO PROVIDE INFORMATION TO THOSE WHO WISH TO P PARTICIPATE IN SPANISH TONIGHT. THANK YOU, AND GOOD EVENING WHEN I START WITH. THANK YOU ALREADY. AND THANK YOU. UH, MAY WE HAVE OUR ROLL CALL FOR THE EVENING, PLEASE? BARNACLE PRESENT. CATER THOMPSON. HERE TO CARLY. HERE NOW. HERE. QUINT. HERE. SCH SHRIMPS. HERE MCDONALD HERE. AND WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. LET'S STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE FLAG OF UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION ON THE GOD, THE INVIS, LIBERTY, JUSTICE. NOW A MOMENT OF SILENCE, IF YOU WILL. AND, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT WE'LL BE CLOSING TONIGHT'S MEETING IN MEMORY OF EARL DAINI, WHO, UH, WAS BORN HERE 96 YEARS AGO. HIS ROOTS GO BACK TO THE VERY BEGINNING. SO PETALUMA AND OUR AGRICULTURAL HERITAGE, HIS DAIRY W RANCH, MAY HAVE BEEN IN MARIN, BUT HE WAS ALL PETALUMA. HE EDUCATED HERE AND PART OF OUR FABRIC. HE WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN THE FARM CREDIT LAND BANK AND IN HELPED FOUND THE MARIN AGRICULTURAL LAND TRUST. AND HE WAS RESPECTED BY ALL BY. SO TONIGHT WE'LL BE CLOSING TODAY'S MEETING IN MEMORY OF EARL DELINI. MR. MAYOR, IT'S JANICE, UH, I'M SORRY. AND, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER, I, I, I'M SORRY, DIDN'T CONTACT YOU EARLIER, BUT I'D LIKE TO ALSO ADD MAUREEN BENELLI, UM, TO THAT SHE'S WITH LONGTIME PETALUMA, GREAT PERSON, AND IT WAS SO SAD TO READ THAT SHE LEFT US. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE'LL INCLUDE THAT TONIGHT. AND, UM, AT THIS POINT I'LL LOOK UP AND [AGENDA CHANGES AND DELETIONS (TO CURRENT AGENDA ONLY)] DOWN THE DIOCESE AND SEE IF ANYONE HAS ANY ALTERATIONS TO THE AGENDA AS IT'S WRITTEN TONIGHT. AND, UM, UH, THE ONLY ONE I KNOW IS THAT WE ARE REMOVING, UH, ITEM 18, UH, FROM THE AGENDA TONIGHT. AND, UH, WE WILL TABLE THAT AND BRING THAT BACK AT A A POINT VERY SOON. AND WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE, UH, INTO THE AGENDA AS IT IS WRITTEN. UM, TONIGHT, [PROCLAMATIONS] UM, WE HAVE SEVERAL PROCLAMATIONS THAT WE, UM, UM, GET TO READ FOR THE EVENING, UH, FIRST OF WHICH IS OUR JUNETEENTH PROCLAMATION. AND, UH, WE HAVE FAITH ROSS, UM, WHO IS THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE PETALUMA BLACKS FOR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. AND I'D LIKE HER TO COME TO THE PODIUM WHILE WE READ. THANK YOU FAITH. WHEREAS PRESIDENT ABRAHAM LINCOLN SIGNED THE EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION ON JANUARY 1ST, 1863, DECLARING SLAVES IN THE CONFEDERATE TERRITORY, FREE PACING THE WAY FOR THE PASSAGE OF THE 13TH AMENDMENT, WHICH FORMERLY ABOLISHED SLAVERY IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND WHEREAS WORD ABOUT THE SIGNING OF THE EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION WAS DELAYED SOME TWO AND ONE HALF YEARS TO JUNE 19TH, 1865 IN REACHING AUTHORITIES AND AFRICAN-AMERICANS THROUGHOUT THE SOUTH AND SOUTHWEST UNITED STATES. AND WHEREAS EMANCIPATION DAY OBSERVATIONS ARE HELD ON DIFFERENT DAYS IN DIFFERENT STATES IN THE SOUTH AND SOUTHWEST AND [00:05:01] IN OTHER PARTS OF THE NATION. AND WHEREAS JUNE 19TH HAS A SPECIAL MEETING TO AFRICAN AMERICANS AND IS CALLED JUNETEENTH, COMBINING THE WORDS OF JUNE AND 19TH, AND HAS BEEN CELEBRATED BY THE AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY FOR OVER 150 YEARS. AND WHEREAS JUNETEENTH MARKS OUR COUNTRY'S SECOND INDEPENDENCE DAY AND ITS HISTORICAL LEGACY SHOWS THE VALUE OF NEVER GIVING UP HOPE IN UNCERTAIN TIMES. UM, NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT I, KEVIN MCDONALD, MAYOR OF PETALUMA, ALONG WITH THE MEMBERS OF THE PETALUMA CITY COUNCIL TO HEREBY DECLARE JUNE 19TH, 2025 AS JUNETEENTH IN THE CITY OF PETALUMA. THANK YOU. THANK YOU TO THE CITY MANAGER, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, AND OTHER CITY OFFICIALS. WE APPRECIATE AND THANK YOU FOR THIS PROCLAMATION. WE HAD A WONDERFUL CELEBRATION SATURDAY IN SANTA ROSA. ACCORDING TO THE FLYER, THIS WAS THE 55TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE CELEBRATION IN SONOMA COUNTY. I KNOW THAT MRS. MARTEL PERRY STARTED THE CELEBRATION AS SHE WAS FROM TEXAS, AND JUNETEENTH HAD BEEN CELEBRATED THERE SINCE THE 18 HUNDREDS. THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING THIS IMPORTANT ITEM AND THIS IMPORTANCE OF THIS IN US HISTORY. UH, I'D REALLY LIKE FOR ALL OF OUR MEMBERS FOR PVCD, AND THAT'S WHO WE'RE REPRESENTING PETALUMA BLACKS FOR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TO STAND. UM, WE'VE GROWN A LITTLE, OUR PRESIDENT IS HERE TONIGHT, AND WE HAVE SOME OF OUR MEMBERS AND FRIENDS ALSO, UH, JOINING US. THANK YOU AND THANK YOU. UM, NEXT WE, UM, HAVE A PROCLAMATION AND HONOR OF OUR, UM, DEAR FRIEND GLORIA ROBINSON. AND I'D LIKE TO INVITE, UH, GLORIA'S CHILDREN. ARE WE HERE? ANGELA? UH, RON DEREK AND, UH, RASHINA ROBINSON PALMER AND GLORIA'S, UM, GRANDDAUGHTER TO THE PODIUM TO, WHILE I READ THE, UH, PROCLAMATION. AND WE HAVE TWO OTHER GRANDCHILDREN, NATASHA AND DJ . THANK. OKAY. JUST TAKING A PICTURE. THANK YOU ALL. AND, UM, WHEREAS GLORIA ROBINSON CELEBRATED COMMUNITY, A CELEBRATED COMMUNITY LEADER AND CO-FOUNDER OF PETALUMA BLACKS FOR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PASSED AWAY ON MARCH 22ND, 2025. HER IMPACTS ON THE CITY OF PETALUMA CANNOT BE OVERSTATED. AND WHEREAS BORN ON DECEMBER 3RD, 1941 IN MIAMI, WHEN THE CITY WAS STILL RACIALLY SEGREGATED, GLORIA LEFT FLORIDA AT THE AGE OF 19 AND DROVE CROSS COUNTRY TO CALIFORNIA WITH HER FIANCE AND OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS. GLORIA AND HER HUSBAND HERBERT. UH, ROBINSON MARRIED IN SAN FRANCISCO WHERE THEY RESIDED FOR SEVERAL YEARS. THEY BRIEFLY RELOCATED THEIR GROWING FAMILY TO SAN RAFAEL BEFORE SETTLING IN PETALUMA IN 1970. WHEREAS UPON ARRIVING IN PETALUMA, MS. ROBINSON QUICKLY BECAME INVOLVED IN LOCAL ACTIVITIES BUILDING COMMUNITY THROUGH HER SON'S INVOLVEMENTS IN SPORTS, AND THROUGH HER LOCAL CHURCH. SHE DID THIS ALL THE WHILE PURSUING HER CALLING AS A, A DIETARY SUPERVISOR AT VARIOUS SENIOR LIVING FACILITIES. AND WHEREAS IN 1977, INSPIRED BY THE LACK OF SCHOOL MATERIAL ON BLACK HISTORY AND A GROWING BLACK COMMUNITY IN PETALUMA, GLORIA ORGANIZED A MEETING TO CREATE A GROUP TO SHARE BLACK HISTORY AND CULTURE. PETALUMA BLACKS FOR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT WAS FORMED IN 1978 WITH THE AID OF SEVERAL BLACK FAMILIES. AND THE GROUP HAS ORGANIZED THE ANNUAL BLACK HISTORY PROGRAMS THAT CONTINUE IN PETALUMA TO THIS DAY. AND WHEREAS GLORIA HAD A TRUE PASSION FOR SERVICE TO HER COMMUNITY, PARTICIPATION IN COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS EXTENDED TO THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF NEGRO BUSINESS AND PROFESSIONAL WOMEN'S CLUB, AND THE NAACP AND THE PETALUMA HISTORICAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM, THE PETALUMA HEALTH CENTER, THE PETALUMA PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT, AND MANY OTHER ORGANIZATIONS IN SONOMA COUNTY. WHEREAS IN 1981, GLORIA WAS NAMED WOMAN OF THE YEAR BY THE LOCAL CHAPTER OF THE BUSINESS AND PROFESSIONAL WOMEN. AND IN 1982, SHE WAS HONORED AS PETALUMA'S CITIZEN OF THE YEAR, WHEREAS HER DEDICATION TO HER COMMUNITY RAN DEEP. GLORIA REMAINED ENGAGED IN HER VOLUNTEER COMMITMENTS. EVEN IN HER FINAL DAYS, HER CONTRIBUTIONS TO PETALUMA WILL BE FELT FOR GENERATIONS TO COME. AND WHEREAS GLORIA HAS SURVIVED BY HER, HER CHILDREN, EUGENE, RON, ANGELA AND DEREK, AND [00:10:01] FOUR GRANDCHILDREN, FOUR GREAT-GRANDCHILDREN, AND MANY OTHER FAMILY AND FRIENDS, THE CITY OF PETALUMA JOINS THEM IN MOURNING THE LOSS OF A COMMUNITY GIANT. NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT I, KEVIN MCDONALD AND THE MEMBERS OF THE PETALUMA CITY COUNCIL ALONG, UH, DO HEREBY DECLARE JUNE 16TH, 2025 AS GLORIA ROBINSON DAY IN THE CITY OF PETALUMA, AND ENCOURAGE ALL RE CITIZENS TO RECOGNIZE HER CONTRIBUTIONS AND IMPACTS AS A COMMUNITY LEADER. THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO THANK THE MAYOR, THE CITY COUNCIL AND OTHER CITY OFFICIALS, CITY MANAGER. UM, MY MOTHER LOVED PETALUMA. THIS WAS HER FIRST HOME. MIAMI WAS HER FIRST HOME REALLY, BUT THIS REALLY BECAME HER FIRST HOME. AND SO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, ME AND MY DAUGHTER, WHAT SHOULD WE DO ON THIS DATE? UM, SOME THINGS THAT SHE LOVED WAS PLAYING BINGO IF PEOPLE DON'T GAMBLE. UM, ALSO COOKING AND JUST GIVING OF OTHERS, JUST BEING OF SERVICE TO OTHERS. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE APPRECIATE THIS PROCLAMATION AND HONOR OF OUR MOTHER. NOW WE MOVE TO OUR GENERAL PUBLIC [GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT] COMMENT FOR THE EVENING. AND DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO MAKE COMMENT ON ITEMS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THAT ARE WITHIN THE CITY COUNCIL'S SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION AND THAT ARE NOT LISTED ON THE CURRENT AGENDA. PUBLIC COMMENTS, COMMENTS ARE LIMITED UP TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON. AND DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF PERSONS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL, TIME WILL BE ALLOCATED IN EQUAL SHARES TOTALING NO MORE THAN 20 MINUTES. IF WE HAVE MORE THAN 20 PEOPLE WISHING TO SPEAK, AN ADDITIONAL TIME PERIOD WILL BE HEARD AFTER THE LAST BUSINESS ITEM ON THE AGENDA. SO I'D LIKE TO ASK OUR CITY CLERK IF WE RECEIVED COMMENTS ONLINE PRIOR TO THE MEETING. WE DID, WE RECEIVED FOUR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS. UH, AND AT THIS TIME, I CAN START THE 32ND CLOCK. AND SO DURING THIS 30 SECONDS, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ATTENDING IN PERSON SHOULD BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO MY DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE SO. AND SPEAKERS ARE REMINDED TO BE RESPECTFUL IN THEIR COMMENTS AND THAT THIS MEETING IS BEING TRANSLATED. SO PLEASE PAUSE BETWEEN SENTENCES FOR TRANSLATION. SO WE HAVE 12 PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS TONIGHT FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AND LOOKING IN OUR AGENDA THAT, UM, MOVES TO 90 SECONDS EACH ON THOSE. AND SO I ASK THE CLERK TO SET THE CLOCK AT 90 SECONDS, AND I INVITE, UM, UH, RU SUNDER ON EARTHY TO SPEAK FIRST. AND, UH, JODY JOHNSON TO SPEAK. SECOND. GOOD EVENING. UH, MY NAME IS, UH, RTI, AND THIS IS JAYA. AND THIS IS SISTER SONIKA. UH, WE ARE PART OF, UH, WE ARE PETA RESIDENT. AND, UH, FIRST AND FOREMOST, THANK YOU ALL FOR DOING WHAT YOU DO TO OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YEAH. SO WE ARE PART OF THE NORTH BAY INDU CENTER. UH, IT'S CALLED THE NBHE. AND WE ARE WORKING TO, WE ARE ALL WORKING TO GET A PLACE TO PRAY FOR OUR COMMUNITY. RIGHT NOW, WE ARE WORKING AT, WE ARE KIND OF OPERATING AT THE ELAM CHURCH. WE'D LIKE TO THANK ELAM CHURCH FOR PROVIDING US THE SPACE AND THE SUPPORT AND EVERYTHING. AND, UH, AS PART OF THE COMMUNITY SERVICE, WE ARE BEEN DOING, UH, WHAT IS KNOWN A WELLNESS WALK. WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, COMMUNITY, UH, SERVICES. SO WE DO A WELLNESS WALK. AND THIS YEAR WE ARE HAPPY TO CELEBRATE AN INTERNATIONAL YOGA DAY, WHICH IS ON THE SATURDAY, JUNE 21ST. AND WE ARE DOING THIS AT ELAM CHURCH, UH, THE TIME FROM NINE TO 10 30. AND, UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO, UH, INVITE THE COMMUNITY TO PARTICIPATE. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, YOGA DOES PROMOTE, UH, PHYSICAL, MENTAL, AND SPIRITUAL BENEFITS. IT IS A VERY GOOD, UH, EXERCISE AND IT'S, IT'S RELAXING. SO WE WOULD LIKE TO INVITE YOU ALL TO CELEBRATE WITH US, AND WE THINK OUR COMING, YOU ALL COMING AND PARTICIPATING WITH, UH, ENRICH THE OCCASION AND ALSO INSPIRE COMMUNITY TO COME. SO THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO SAY. [00:15:01] WE WOULD LIKE TO PASS THIS. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS JODY JOHNSON. CAN WE FIND OUT WHAT TIME AT ELAM CHURCH? COULD YOU REPEAT THE, THE DAY AND TIME? YEAH, IT'S, UH, IT'S ON JUNE 21ST, UH, NINE TO 10 30. IT'S NINE TO 10 30. THANK YOU. ELAM CHURCH. YEAH, THANK YOU. JODY JOHNSON SHOULD BE FOLLOWED BY JANICE BARKER. GOOD EVENING MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL AND CITY STAFF. FIRST WE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO TALK ABOUT OUR BELOVED GLORIA ROBINSON, WHO YOU HONOR TONIGHT. GLORIA WAS AN UNMISTAKABLE FORCE FOR GOOD AND A BEAUTIFUL YOUNGSTOWN MOBILE PARK RESIDENT. FOR MANY YEARS, GLORIA WAS SO HUMBLE THAT MANY NEVER KNEW. ALL SHE DID IN EVERY WAY, TO BRING INFORMATION TO POWER AND INCLUSIVENESS TO COMMUNITIES ACROSS OUR COUNTY AND STATE, GLORIA WAS THE EPITOME OF GOOD TROUBLE THAT WOULD BENEFIT SO MANY IN OUR LIFETIMES. WE WILL ALWAYS REMEMBER THE MARK THAT GLORIA HAS MADE. GLORIA STOOD FOR, SEEN AND APPRECIATING ALL, REGARDLESS OF COLOR, YOUR BANK ACCOUNT OR YOUR POSITION. SHE ALWAYS MERELY SAW YOU FOR YOUR OWN VALUE. HER STRENGTH WAS IN HER DELIVERY AS SHE KNEW WHEN TO ENLIGHTEN, AS WELL AS KNOWING WHEN TO PROTEST. MOST OF ALL, GLORIA WAS OUR TEACHER OF DIVERSITY OF HISTORY, AND THAT ALL ARE CREATED EQUAL UNDER GOD. GLORIA WAS A BEAUTIFUL CHILD OF GOD AND HER CHRIST-LIKE ATTRIBUTES SHOWN BRIGHTLY IN THIS MESS OF A WORLD. WE WILL NEVER FORGET THE POWER OF GLORIA ROBINSON FOR ALL THE GOOD SHE BROUGHT TO OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR YOUNGSTOWN COMMUNITY. WE ARE ALSO HERE TONIGHT TO RESPOND ONCE AGAIN TO FALSE NARRATIVES REGARDING OUR MOBILE PARK RESIDENTS. WE ARE PROUD THAT WE HAVE ALWAYS STATED FACTS, VERIFIABLE FACTS. CERTAINLY OUR RESIDENTS DID NOT ADVANCE LEGAL FIGHTS. THE LEGAL NOTICES WERE STARTED BY THE LARGE INVESTMENT GROUPS WHO BOUGHT OUR MOBILE HOMES IN SECRET. THANK YOU, DENNIS BARKER, TO BE FOLLOWED BY JENNIFER BOYLE. GOOD EVENING. UH, THE LENGTHY FINANCIAL, FINANCIALLY DRAINING LITIGATION HAS ALWAYS BEEN PETALUMA MOBILE PARK RESIDENTS STANDING UP FOR EXISTING LAWS ORDINANCES, LEGAL CLOSURE PROCESS, SENIOR AND VULNERABLE FAMILY PROTECTIONS, AND OF COURSE, STANDING UP FOR THEIR MOBILE HOME, MOBILE HOMES. THEY OWN THE LARGE INVESTMENT GROUPS, BARRAGING OUR RESIDENTS WITH ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING TO DRIVE THEM OUT. IF THEY HAVE THE AUDACITY TO SAY NO TO GOUGING, HARASSMENT, INTIMIDATION, EVEN LONG-TERM LEASES IS AT THE FOREFRONT OF THE REASON WHY SO MUCH TIME, EFFORT, AND LEGAL REPRESENTATION HAD TO BE AFFORDED TO OUR MOBILE HOME PARK RESIDENCE. WHAT CAN BE SAID UNDOUBTEDLY IS THAT WE ARE TRANSPARENT ABOUT ASKING THE CITY AND THE CITY COUNCIL TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF THESE PROTECTIONS THAT ARE ALREADY SETTLED LAW IN THIS PUBLIC SETTING. THESE INVESTMENT GROUPS ARE BEHIND THE SCENES TRYING TO UNDERMINE THE VERY LAWS, ORDINANCES, VACANCY CONTROL, AND EVEN LONG-TERM LEASES THAT THEY KNEW BEFORE THEY BOUGHT EXISTED. CAPRI WAS HIT WITH A NEW LITIGATION, A NEW ARBITRATION FOR 18 PERSONS AND ANNUAL INCREASES THAT INCLUDE THE WRONG INCREASED PERCENTAGE AND PASS THROUGH, WHICH IS NOT ALLOWABLE WITHOUT ARBITRATION. THIS IS THE SECOND ARBITRATION IN ONE YEAR FOR CAPRI AND THE SIXTH ARBITRATION FOR PETALUMA MOBILE PARKS FROM THESE LARGE INVESTMENT GROUPS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. JENNIFER BOYLE TO BE FOLLOWED BY TIM PORTUS. THIS IS ON THE HEELS OF THE PREVIOUS ARBITRATION AT CAPRI THAT STILL HAS RESIDENTS PAYING OVERCHARGES. AND MOST NOTABLY, THE INCREASE PLACED INTO A PERMANENT GROUND RENT AND NOT THE PASS THROUGH. IT WAS WITH BEGINNING DATE AND AN END DATE. LITTLE WOODS STILL REELING FROM NO PARKING AND NOW ABOUT TO GO THROUGH A RELOCATION REPORT WHILE TRYING TO NAVIGATE THE HORROR HAPPENING. IN OUR WORLD, THESE RESIDENTS HAVE TWO APPEAL PROCESSES TO FUND IN STANDING UP TO THE RIGHTFUL ARBITRATOR DECISIONS. YOUNGSTOWN IS GRATEFUL THAT THE LAWSUIT FROM THE PEOPLE OF CALIFORNIA AND THE CITY OF PETALUMA AGAINST YOUNGSTOWN OWNERS, FANNIE MAE, WHICH IS THEIR MORTGAGE LEADER LENDER RATHER, AND, AND DOSE ONE THROUGH 50 [00:20:02] FOR BLAZEN DISREGARD OF THE SENIOR PARK OVERLAY AND SELLING. I THINK THAT'S, UM, ALL I'M SEEING HERE, AH, I'M WASTING MY TIME. SELLING IS ALL AGE, UH, IT AS AN ALL AGED PARK COMPANY COMPLETE WITH LEASES. THANK YOU TIM. PORTIA TO BE FOLLOWED BY ANGIE CRUZ. JUST START RIGHT THERE. OKAY. COMPLETE WITH LEASES, PURCHASE AGREEMENTS AND FAKE RULES STATING ALL AGE HAS TAKEN A LEGAL TURN WITH FANNIE MAE. NOW CROSS SUING THE OWNERS OF YOUNGSTOWN FOR BREACH OF CONTRACT, THREAT OF FORECLOSURE AND EVEN MORE. IT IS SO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT YOUNGSTOWN'S SELLING OF PARK OWNED PROPERTIES TO ALL AGES AND AS AN ALL AGE PARK WERE WILLFUL AS THEY HAD IN THEIR POSSESSION THE SENIOR PARK OVERLAY ZONING, CLEARLY STATING THEIR CRITERIA AND NEEDED TO BE MET IN THESE SALES CITY COMMUNITY AND FELLOW MOBILE PARK RESIDENTS IN ALL CITIES AND COUNTIES. WE STAND UP FOR OUR RIGHTS AND FOR YOURS TOO. GREED INFLUENCES EVERY PART OF OUR LIVES. AND IF NOT US TOO, AND IF NOT US, THEN GREED WILL BECOME THE CORNERSTONE TO THE DEATH OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING HERE ON PETALUMA, OUR OWN AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO LEND OUR VOICES TO THE TRANSPARENCY OF OUR REALITY AND NOT LET THE FALSE NARRATIVES GO UNANSWERED. IT DOES NOT SURPRISE OUR RESIDENTS THAT OUR CITY LISTENS AND SUPPORTS JUSTICE FOR ALL. THAT'S WHY WE CHOOSE TO LIVE HERE. WE CERTAINLY FEEL SEEN AND HEARD AS EQUAL CONTRIBUTORS TO OUR COMMUNITY, PETALUMA RESIDENTS UNITED STRONG. WE ARE ALSO HERE TONIGHT TO RESPOND ONCE AGAIN. OKAY, THANK YOU ANGIE CRUZ TO BE FOLLOWED BY NINA ZITO. SHE'S NOT HERE. WE'LL MOVE RIGHT TO NINA ZITO SHOULD BE FOLLOWED BY SANDRA SHANNON. HI, I'M NINA. THIS IS SOONER THAN I THOUGHT. UH, WE STARTING THE CLOCK. OH, THERE WE GO. TICK, TICK, TICK. UH, I, I WANNA EXPRESS, UH, APPRECIATION AND A MEASURE OF FRUSTRATION. MY APPRECIATION IS FOR THIS FORUM AND MY FRUSTRATION IS HAVING A WAY TO ADDRESS APPROPRIATE CHANNELS OF COMMUNICATION. THERE'S BEEN SO MANY INTERESTING MEETINGS, PLANNING COMMISSION, PARKS AND REC BICYCLE FOLKS, THIS AND THAT, AND THEY KEEP GETTING CANCELED. AND I DON'T WANNA LIKE OPEN A FIRE HOSE ON VERY HIGH LEVEL AS I THINK THE EXPRESSION IS AMONG NEW COUNCIL TYPES. UH, BUT, BUT I, I NEED TO WEIGH INTO MEETINGS AND I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST, UH, THAT PERHAPS A STANDARDIZED A FOUR METHOD BE ADOPTED SUCH THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU CAN ONLY CANCEL TWO MEETINGS A YEAR OR SOMETHING. UH, LIKEWISE, I'D LIKE TO ENCOURAGE, UH, THAT YOU CONSIDER DOING A CITIZENS ACADEMY MUCH IN THE WAY THAT OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS, OR THE COUNTY OF SONOMA HAS JUST TO ACQUAINT CITIZENS WITH PROTOCOL AND LIKE ROBERT'S RULES AND ALL THIS TIRESOME STUFF THAT ACTUALLY GETS THINGS DONE. AND NEW EXPERTS AND YOUR CITY CLERK AND ALL KNOW HOW TO DO THAT. SO THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING THAT. AND LIKE THE, THE MEETINGS KEEP GETTING CANCELED AND RIGHT, NOT, NOT WORKING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS SANDRA SHAN SHOULD BE FOLLOWED BY CATHERINE BOBOWSKI. THESE ARE NOT MY WORDS. I AM READING PORTIONS TO YOU OF A BOOK REVIEW OF A NEW BESTSELLER CALLED ONE DAY. ONE DAY EVERYONE WILL ALWAYS HAVE BEEN AGAINST. THIS IS THE FULL TITLE. IT'S A BOOK ABOUT THE WAR ON GAZA. POWERFUL, COMPELLING IN ITS MORAL LOGIC. IT'S THE ANGUISH CRY OF A US CITIZEN WHO HAS FOLLOWED THE WAR ON GAZA AND LOOKED AT THE HORRORS FROM AFAR AND COULDN'T REMAIN SILENT ABOUT THE WEST COMPLICITY IN THE CARNAGE. OUR COMPLICITY, THOUGH THE AUTHOR CONDEMNS HAMAS FOR ITS [00:25:01] MASSACRE OF 1200 ISRAELIS ON OCTOBER 7TH, 2023. HE CHARACTERIZES THE RESPONSE AS EYE-OPENING PROOF THAT THE HUMANIST IDEALS CHAMPIONED BY THE WEST HAVE ALWAYS BEEN LIES. ONE DAY ASKS US TO FACE THE REALITIES OF WESTERN SUPPORT FOR ISRAEL'S INDISCRIMINATE WAR CHILDREN. MUTILATED, STARVED TO DEATH. CITIES RAISED THOUSANDS OF NON-COMBATANTS DEAD. MOST OF THE REGION'S, 2.2 MILLION RESIDENTS DISPLACED. HE'S ASKING US TO DEMAND AN END TO THE VIOLENCE. ARGUING THAT TO REMAIN SILENT IS TO FAIL. NOT ONLY THE WAR'S DIRECT VICTIMS, BUT OUR OWN SOUL AS WELL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU CATHERINE GRABOWSKI TO BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, HANNAH STEWART. YES, MY NAME IS CATHERINE BROWSKI. I LIVE AT THE LITTLE WOODS FIELD OF MOBILE HOME PARK AT 1821 LAKEVILLE HIGHWAY, SPACE THREE ONE. UH, FIRST I WANNA SAY THIS, GLORIA ROBINSON. SHE WAS A GREAT LADY, GREAT PERSON. AND ALSO TOO, HARVEY IS ILLEGALLY BREAKING ALL THE LAWS AT THE LITTLEWOODS. THEIR ONSITE PARK MANAGER DOESN'T INCLUDE ALL THE VANDALISM THAT THIS ONSITE PARK MANAGER'S FAMILY, HER FRIENDS HAVE ALREADY PASSED IN TO MY MOBILE HOME IN THE PASS. AND ALSO TOO, HER FAMILY. THEY PARK ON THE FIRE LANES ALL HOURS, ALL DAY, ALL NIGHT. BUT WHEN SOMEONE PARKS IN THE FIRE LANE FOR TWO SECONDS, JUST UNLOAD THEIR GROCERIES, SHE'S BANGING ON THEIR DOOR RIGHT AWAY. THAT'S NOT RIGHT. THEY PARK THERE ALL DAY, ALL NIGHT, BLOCKING THE FIRE LANES. EMERGENCY VEHICLES HAVE TO GET IN TO SAVE PEOPLE'S LIVES. AND ALSO TOO, HARVEY DID NOT GIVE ALL THE RESIDENTS, UH, CLOSURE OF THE PARK. THEY DIDN'T GIVE IT TO HER. THE DOWNSIDE PARK MANAGER, HER FRIENDS, AND HER FAMILY AT ALL, THIS IS ILLEGAL. THEY'RE BREAKING ALL THE LAWS. THEY'RE STEALING MOBILE HOMES THAT THEY DON'T OWN, DON'T HAVE TITLE TO, AND THEY'RE BREAKING THE LAW AND GET AWAY WITH THIS. SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE AND PUT A STOP TO IT IMMEDIATELY. RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE TERRORISTS, THEY'RE LIARS, THEY'RE CROOKS, AND THEY'VE BEEN DOING ALL KINDS OF STUFF STATEWIDE. PLEASE PUT A STOP TO THEM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, HANNAH STEWART TO BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, CHANTEL ROGERS. HELLO CITY COUNCIL. UM, I'M A RESIDENT OF LITTLE WOODS. I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW, UM, TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND LEGAL TEAM. I APPRECIATE YOUR CONTINUED VIGILANCE IN MAKING SURE THAT PETALUMA IS A WELCOMING, SAFE PLACE FOR YOUR CONSTITUENTS, SOME OF WHOM HAVE LIVED, VOTED AND SUPPORTED THE ECONOMY AND THE COMMUNITY FOR DECADES. UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE THIS PART QUICK. I JUST WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND QUOTE SARAH GRIMKE, UM, A NOTABLE ABOLITIONIST AND WOMEN'S EQUALITY ACTIVIST, AND ALSO LATER, RUTH BADER GINSBURG . I ASK NO FAVOR. ALL I ASK OF OUR BRETHREN IS THAT THEY TAKE THEIR FEET FROM OFF OUR NECKS. THANK YOU FOR HELPING US TO PRY MR. ALDI'S FEET FROM OUR NECKS. THANK YOU CHANTEL ROGERS TO BE FOLLOWED BY DANIEL O. HERNANDEZ. WE'VE ONLY BEGUN TO SEE THE FINANCIAL REPERCUSSIONS OF DEFUNDING CUTBACKS LAYOFFS, AND THIS ADMINISTRATION'S VINDICTIVE ATTITUDE TOWARDS CALIFORNIA. ALREADY IT'S HIT THE MUSEUM WHERE I WAS HAPPY TO SEE THE CITY STEP UP TO OFFER MATCHING FUNDS ON THEIR FUNDRAISING DRIVE TO REPLACE WHAT WILL NO LONGER BE RECEIVING FROM THE FEDS RELIEF. PETALUMA LOST THEIR YOUNG WORKERS. SCHOOL GARDENS HAVE BEEN DEFUNDED, AND THE REDWOOD EMPIRE FOOD BANK HAS LOST A MILLION DOLLARS IN SUIT FOOD SUPPORT. COTS AND CATHOLIC CHARITIES HAVE LOST FUNDINGS ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK. OUR SCHOOL LUNCHES, MEALS ON WHEELS, FOOD STAMPS, HOMELESS SERVICES, AND HEAT ITY SUPPORT. HUD IS LIKELY TO BE AFFECTED IMPACTING PEP HOUSING AND LOW INCOME AND SUBSIDIZED HOUSING. MEDICAID IS ALREADY SLATED TO BE SCALED BACK IN CALIFORNIA. AND FURTHER CUTS IN ELIGIBILITY WILL PUT EXTREME PRESSURE ON LOCAL HOSPITALS LIKE PETALUMA VALLEY HOSPITAL WHEN THE NEXT FIRES COME, WHICH THEY WILL, FEMA MAY NOT BE AROUND TO HELP ANYONE AFFECTED SOCIAL SECURITY. WE JUST DON'T KNOW. OUR SAFETY NET IS BEING DISMANTLED BEFORE OUR EYES. OUR IMMIGRANT COMMUNITY FACES ALL OF THESE ISSUES IN ADDITION TO ONGOING THREAT OF ICE AND DEPORTATION. WHAT WILL WE DO WHEN FACED WITH HUNGRY CHILDREN, VULNERABLE SENIORS AND FAMILIES [00:30:01] ON THE BRINK OF HOMELESSNESS? LOSING GRANT MONEY FOR PROJECTS IS JUST BEGINNING THE BEGINNING OF PETALUMA'S FINANCIAL HARDSHIPS. SO YOU CAN EITHER CONTINUE WITH BUSINESS AS USUAL, SPENDING AS YOU GO AND DEALING WITH FUNDING SHORTCOMINGS, OR YOU CAN LOOK AT WHAT THE NEXT THREE AND A HALF REMAINING YEARS OF THIS CURRENT ADMINISTRATION WILL BRING AND PULL BACK ON NON-URGENT EXPENDITURES SO YOU'RE CAPABLE OF BEING, OF ASSISTANCE WHEN YOUR CONSTITUENTS REALLY NEED YOU. THANK YOU. UH, DANIEL HERNANDEZ. I I KNOW YOU HAD, UH, ASKED TO SPEAK ON ITEM 18, WHICH IS REMOVED. SO IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK NOW IS THAT MOMENT. HELLO EVERYONE. UM, I'M VERY PROUD TO BE AT PETALUMA. UM, GLORIA ROBINSON MAKES ME EVEN PROUDER AND ALSO MAKES ME EVEN PROUDER TO BE A MOBILE HOME RESIDENT. UM, LAST I CHECKED, I, WHEN SOMEBODY BREAKS THE LAW, THERE'S CONSEQUENCES. AND IT FEELS LIKE, UH, PEOPLE THAT OWNS THE MOBILE HOME PARKS IN PETALUMA KEEPS ON BREAKING THE LAW AND STEPPING ON THE RIGHTS, AND THERE'S NO CONSEQUENCES. AND I, I'M NOT HERE TO JUDGE WHY YOU ARE DELAYING, UH, ITEM NUMBER 18, BUT, UH, YOU SHOULD STOP DOING THAT AND TAKE CARE OF IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, RIGHT? IT BRINGS A LOT OF STRESS TO ADULTS, BUT I CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT KIND OF A STRESS BRINGS TO THE SENIORS AND THE WAY I WAS RAISED. WHEN SOMEBODY MESSES WITH KIDS OR SENIORS, YOU PUT ON YOUR WARRIOR HAT AND GO FIGHT FOR THEM. SO THAT'S WHAT I EXPECT FROM THE CITY OF PETALUMA. I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU BECAUSE I KNOW YOU HAVE, BUT THE JOB IS NOT DONE, SO PLEASE, THANK YOU. THANK, THANK YOU. AND, UH, THAT CLOSES PUBLIC COMMENTS AND I, I GUESS, UM, WE PROBABLY ALL COULDN'T AGREE MORE, UH, THAT THE, THE SITUATION'S NOT OVER AND NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED RAPIDLY. SO THANK YOU TO THOSE WHO WANT TO TAKE A MINUTE TO DEPART. NOW WE'LL GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF RED AIR OR SHARE. OKAY. OKAY. SO NOW WE MOVE TO COUNCIL [COUNCIL COMMENT] COMMENTS. AND, UM, I'D LIKE TO START, UM, TO MY LEFT HERE WITH, UH, OUR COUNCIL MEMBER REBS TONIGHT. OKAY. SO I ATTENDED THE, UH, NORTH BAY WATERSHED ASSOCIATION MEETING, AND IT WAS, THIS IS THE YEAR OF 25 YEAR CELEBRATION. I THINK WE'VE BEEN PARTICIPATING ALL THAT TIME, IF NOT MOST OF IT. UM, AND SUPPORTING THAT, UH, GROUP OF, UH, FOLKS GETTING TOGETHER FOR THE NORTH BAY. AND, UH, THE, THE TALK WAS, UH, FROM A REGIONAL, UH, FOLKS ABOUT THE, UH, SEA LEVEL RISE AND HOW, UH, CITY REGIONALLY, NOT JUST THE CITY, WE'RE WORKING ON SEA LEVEL RISE HERE IN THE CITY, BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO JOIN IN WITH OTHERS FOR A REGIONAL PLAN AS WELL AS A CITY PLAN. AND SO THAT'S, UH, THAT'S GONNA BE ONE OF THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT HOPEFULLY CAN GET, UH, A REGIONAL BASIS GOING. UH, SO WE'RE ALL WORKING TOGETHER AS A TEAM. ONE TEAM. THERE IS SOME SMALL GRANTS, UM, THAT WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT SHORTLY, BUT THERE WAS LOTS OF APPLICATIONS FOR OUR SMALL GRANT PROGRAM IN THERE, INCLUDING A COUPLE FROM PETALUMA. SO I'LL, I'LL BE ON THAT COMMITTEE, UH, LATER THIS WEEK. UH, WORKING THROUGH THOSE GRANTS, SEE WHAT WE WANNA DO. UH, THE CLIMATE COMMISSION IS, UH, WORKING ON LOTS OF IDEAS AND PROJECTS IN VARIOUS AD HOC GROUPS. AND THEN, UH, WE DECIDED THAT WE NEED TO START PUTTING TOGETHER A REPORT THAT'LL COME BACK TO US HERE. UM, UM, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO ON NEXT MONTH, UH, IS, IS TRY TO GET A FULL REPORT GOING ON. ALL, ALL THE IDEAS THAT HAVE BEEN GENERATED. AND THEN I JUST WANT TO, UH, SUPPORT THAT. UH, AS, AS I SAID, THE VIOLENCE AROUND THE WORLD IS HAPPENING. WE'VE, UM, WE'VE GOT SUDAN, UKRAINE, GAZA ARE NOW IRAN, ISRAEL, UH, SYRIA'S STILL WORKING ON IT, AND EVEN NOW, UM, INDIAN PAKISTAN ARE GOING AT IT. AND NOW WE EVEN HAVE THINGS HAPPENING HERE IN THE US. SO, YEAH, UH, END OF VIOLENCE EVERYWHERE WOULD BE REALLY NICE. SO I WOULD SUPPORT ALL OF THAT. UM, ANYWAY, THAT'S MY REPORT RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER QUINT. YEAH, THANK YOU. I'D, FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE THE OUTSIZED CONTRIBUTIONS OF GLORIA ROBINSON ON OUR COMMUNITY. I'D ALSO LIKE TO RECOGNIZE THE CITIZENS OF PETALUMA FOR SHOWING UP OVER THE WEEKEND AND KEEPING THEIR PROTESTS PEACEFUL AND RESPECTFUL. I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR HOW THEY HANDLED THE PROTEST IN, IN SUCH A PROFESSIONAL MANNER. I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER, KAREN [00:35:01] NOW FOR BEING PART OF THE 2025 PETALUMA LEADERSHIP CLASS. CONGRATULATIONS, AND I'LL BE AT THE FAIRGROUNDS DUNK TAKE ON FRIDAY AT THREE 30 IF YOU, UH, AND I INVITE ALL PETALUMA TO COME AND TRY TO DUNK ME FOR A GOOD CAUSE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, COUNCIL MEMBER DE CARLY, UH, FIRST OFF, ONE TO WISH ALL THE FATHERS A HAPPY BELATED FATHER'S DAY FROM YESTERDAY. AND THE ONLY UPDATE THAT I'VE REALLY GOT IS FROM THE AIRPORT COMMISSION. UM, I WILL SAY THAT THIS SATURDAY, THE 21ST, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A, A BIG FLY IN. THIS IS NOT THE NORMAL DISPLAY DAY THAT THEY DO. UH, BUT THIS IS GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT MORE, A LOT OF VISITING AIRCRAFT, UM, FROM PEOPLE THAT WERE AWESOME ENOUGH TO COME OUT, SPEND THE DAY IN PETALUMA. IT'S GONNA BE SOME REALLY COOL ONES THERE. AND THIS IS ALSO A GREAT OPPORTUNITY IF YOU CAN GO TO GO SUPPORT LOCAL BUSINESSES LIKE THE TWO NINE OR DINER. AND IF THE DAY EXCITES YOU ENOUGH, YOU CAN GO GET YOUR PILOT'S LICENSE. WE HAVE A LOCAL PILOT SCHOOL THERE TOO, MAYBE YOU'LL SEE ON THE RAMP NEXT YEAR. UM, I DO WANNA SHARE SOME FRUSTRATION FROM THE COMMISSIONERS ON THE AIRPORT COMMISSION. UH, YOU KNOW, OVER A COUPLE YEARS AGO, THERE WAS A AIRPLANE ACCIDENT OUT THERE THAT WENT INTO ONE OF THE HANGERS, AND THAT IS, IT'S IN PROCESS, BUT IT'S STILL NOT DONE, UM, MAKING REPAIRS TO THOSE HANGERS. AND I'LL ECHO ONE OF THE COMMENTS FROM A COMMISSIONER WHO SAID, HAD IT BEEN CITY HALL, IT WOULD'VE BEEN FIXED THE NEXT WEEK. SO I'M HOPEFUL THAT THE CITY CAN CONTINUE TO, YOU KNOW, GET THAT FIXED. UM, THEY WORRY ABOUT IT WHEN NEW, WHEN PILOTS COME IN TO VISIT, IT'S THE FIRST THING THAT THEY SEE. SO HOPEFULLY THAT CAN GET FIXED AND HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY HAS A GOOD SATURDAY OUT THERE. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. JUST ONE UPDATE. UM, UH, WE HAD OUR SONOMA CLEAN POWER MEETING, AND THE MOST NOTABLE THING THAT CAME OUT OF THAT IS THE BOARD VOTED TO, UM, OFFER TO EXPAND SERVICE TO LAKE COUNTY, LAKE PORT, UM, AND, UH, CLEAR LAKE. UM, IT'S ROUGHLY LIKE THE WHOLE AREA IS ROUGHLY THE CITY OF PET, LIKE THE SIZE OF THE CITY OF PETALUMA. UM, BUT WE DID THE FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS AND IT LOOKS GOOD. UM, ALL THREE OF THE, UM, JURISDICTIONS OUT THERE HAVE REQUESTED, UM, THE FEASIBILITY, UH, ANALYSIS AND INTEREST IN JOINING. UM, AND IT'S REALLY, IT'S, IT'S NOT ONLY IS IT EXCITING TO BE EXPANDING OUT THERE, UM, BUT IT'S LIKE A REALLY RIPE OPPORTUNITY, UM, FOR US AS A, AS AN ORGANIZATION BECAUSE OF OUR FOCUS ON GEOTHERMAL. AND THEY JUST HAVE A HUGE GEOTHERMAL RESOURCE. AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE SOME REALLY GOOD JOBS AND PARTNER WITH THE LOCAL AGENCIES. SO, UM, THAT WAS THE EXCITING THING. IT'S STILL A WAYS TO GO. UM, THE SOONEST WE'D SEE POWER TURNED ON OUT THERE WOULD PROBABLY BE LIKE 20, 27, BUT, UM, IT WAS A EXCITING, UH, EXCITING TOPIC AND THE BOARD WAS UNANIMOUS IN ITS DECISION, SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN CATER THOMPSON. THANK YOU. UM, I HAD MY, UM, SONOMA COUNTY TRANSPORTATION, UM, CLIMATE ACTION MEETING. AND, YOU KNOW, THE DISCUSSION WAS ABOUT OUR BUDGET AND PROJECTS COMING FORWARD. AND OF COURSE, WE'RE ALL CONCERNED IF MONEY'S GONNA BE CLAWED BACK. UM, AND SO THE CONCERNS, UM, THAT WERE STATED TODAY WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH FUNDING IS A CONCERN FOR ALL OF THESE. UM, WHETHER IT'S FOOD, UM, OR TRANSPORTATION. UM, WE'RE JUST REALLY CONCERNED. UM, I HAVE A, MY SMART BUDGET MEETING THIS WE THIS THURSDAY, AND SO I'LL REPORT BACK ON THAT NEXT WEEK. BUT SMART IS ALSO LOOKING AT THE EXTENDING OUR TAX, UM, AND SO THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA ACTUALLY GO THE ROUTE OF GATHERING SIGNATURES, SO YOU'LL HAVE TO HAVE A LESS LESSER OF A THRESHOLD TO PASS. UM, BUT ON, UM, FRIDAY WINDSOR'S GRAND OPENING FOR THEIR SMART STATION, AND THERE WAS 1100 PEOPLE THAT SHOWED UP. IT WAS A GREAT EVENT. UM, SMART DOES A GREAT JOB OF PUTTING AN EVENT ON, BUT THE WHOLE TOWN CAME OUT, NOT THE WHOLE TOWN, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE TOWN CAME OUT. AND IF YOU'VE NEVER BEEN TO WINDSOR, YOU CAN NOW TAKE THE TRAIN THERE AND THEN WALK AROUND AND CHECK IT OUT AND LET'S SEE, WHAT ELSE. AND THEN OF COURSE, UM, WE HAD OUR MARCH AND IT WAS GREAT. I'M JUST GOING TO, UM, WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER QUINT SAID, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT HE SAID. UM, AND I DO WANNA JUST THANK OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR, UM, A JOB WELL DONE. BUT ALSO THE ORGANIZERS WHO PUT IT TOGETHER, IT WAS PRETTY AMAZING WHAT, 3000 PEOPLE, MAYBE 3,500 PEOPLE. THAT WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE, AND IT WAS GREAT. AND I ALSO WANT TO, UM, JUST REMIND PEOPLE THAT SUNDAY WAS ANOTHER DAY. AND SO YOU MIGHT WALK MARCH ON A SATURDAY, BUT WE CAN'T FORGET WHAT'S GOING ON AND IT'S CONTINUING. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS I JUST WANT TO MENTION ABOUT THE PETALUMA SCHOOL LEADERS CALLS MAN'S THREAT TO EXECUTE DISTRICT OFFICIALS OVERLYING PRIDE FLAG. DISHEARTENING. DISHEARTENING IS NOT THE WORD THAT I WOULD'VE USED. UM, [00:40:01] IT IS, IT'S SCARY BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENED IN WISCONSIN CAN HAPPEN IN PETALUMA. AND SO WE ALL HAVE TO BE REAL VIGIL IN WHAT WE'RE DOING AND HOW WE'RE TREATING EACH OTHER, WHETHER IT'S ON SOCIAL MEDIA, UM, IT'S DANGEROUS AND PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THE DANGER IS COMING FROM. 'CAUSE I CERTAINLY KNOW WHERE IT'S COMING FROM, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT PEOPLE, UM, PULL BACK A LITTLE BIT AND MAYBE ASK THEIR FRIENDS TO PULL BACK A LITTLE BIT. AND AS FAR AS THE FAIR, THERE IS NO DUNK TANK FOR ME. , UM, VICE MAYOR. UM, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I HAVE NO LIAISON REPORT TONIGHT, BUT I DID ATTEND A FEW GRADUATIONS AND AT A FEW DIFFERENT SCHOOLS AT A FEW DIFFERENT AGES. UM, OUR FUTURE IS BRIGHT WITH THESE GRADUATES, AND I WANNA WISH THEM ALL THE BEST OF LUCK AS THEY NAVIGATE THROUGH LIFE. AND THANK YOU TO COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, QUINT FOR ACKNOWLEDGING MY LEADERSHIP GRADUATION. UM, IF YOU HAVEN'T TAKEN THE LEADERSHIP CLASS THROUGH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, I HIGHLY RECOMMENDED IT WAS THE BEST, UM, YEAR TO LEARNING MORE ABOUT THE CITY THAN I THOUGHT I KNEW EVERYTHING. UM, I DID ATTEND THE, UM, HAYDEN CLEMEN TOURNAMENT AT THE NEW COMMUNITY SPORTS FIELDS OUT ON WASHINGTON STREET. THE PARKS, UM, DEPARTMENT DID A WONDERFUL JOB. PUBLIC WORKS DID A WONDERFUL JOB, BUT THEY WOULD LIKE THE PURPLE PIPES CONNECTED TO THE PLANTS OUT THERE SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAND WATER WITH 50 GALLON BUCKETS OF WATER. UM, A SHOUT OUT TO OUR CITY STAFF AND LUM FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR YESTERDAY'S ESCORT OF THE PORTUGUESE, UM, HOLY GHOST SOCIETY FESTIVAL AND PARADE FROM ST. VINCENT'S. I ATTENDED THE MASS WITH MY PARENTS AND I WAS VERY PROUD OF THE, HOW THE CITY CAME TOGETHER TO ES ESCORT THEM FROM THE CHURCH TO THE HIGH SCHOOL. UM, I HOPE TO SEE EVERYONE AT THE PLUM AFFAIR THIS WEEK, AND I WANNA WISH THE FOUR H AND FFA MEMBERS THE BEST OF LUCK AS THEY COMPETE FOR THOSE BLUE RIBBONS IN ALL CATEGORIES. AND BY THE WAY, I'LL BE IN THE DUNK TANK ON FRIDAY NIGHT RAISING FUNDS FOR MIKA'S HUGS NONPROFIT. SO COME OUT AND FIND ME. BUT I'M ALSO VOLUNTEERING TO GREET ON THURSDAY AND FRIDAY AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE FAIR. SO, UM, I CAN'T WAIT FOR THE FAIR TO START. SO SEE YOU THERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YEAH, I THINK, UH, THE FAIR IS GONNA BE ALL HANDS ON DECK FOR THE CITY, UH, FROM ALL THE WORK THE STAFF'S PUTTING IN AND OUR NONPROFITS ARE PUTTING IN TO PULL IT TOGETHER. UM, AND THEN ALL THE COUNCIL THAT'S GONNA BE IN DUNK TANKS, DIFFERENT NIGHTS AND GREETING DIFFERENT NIGHTS. SO GO PETALUMA. UM, UH, I JUST WANT TO, UH, NOTE THAT THE, THE NO KINGS PROTEST WE SAW THIS WEEKEND WAS A HUGE CROWD IN PETALUMA. UH, AND I APPRECIATE THAT FOR THE MOST PART, UM, EVERYONE INVOLVED RESPECTED THE RIGHTS OF EACH OTHER AND THE NEED FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. UH, AND SO I WANT TO THANK THE ORGANIZERS FOR THEIR CALMING EFFORTS. AND I WANNA THANK THE IMPACTED PUBLIC FOR THEIR PATIENT PATIENTS. AND I WANNA THANK THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR THEIR BALANCE IN HANDLING WHAT CAN BE A A DIFFICULT SITUATION. UM, I DID HAVE A CHANCE I GET INVITED TO A GROUP MEETING WITH THE CEO OF, UH, PG E AND, UM, PERHAPS IT WAS MARKETING, BUT THEY WERE PUSHING HARD THAT THEY HAVE THE ELECTRICITY FOR OUR DECARBONIZATION OF OUR WORLD. AND, UH, THE MISSING PIECE IS THE BATTERY SECTOR. SO THEY WERE PUSHING STRONG ON THAT. UM, AND, UM, I ALSO ATTENDED A MEETING OF THE JOINT MAYORS AND COUNCILS OF SONOMA COUNTY, WHERE, UM, WE HEARD FROM ROBERT EER OF SONOMA STATE, A KEYNOTE SPEAKER WHO CAUTIONED US ABOUT THE ECONOMIC PROSPECTS IN SONOMA COUNTY OVER THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO, PARTICULARLY IN REGARDS TO JOBS, TAX REVENUE, HOME PRICES, INFLATION. IT WAS A DOWNER NEWS THING. UM, AND THEN I GOT TO SPEAK AT THE HOME FIRST, UM, LANDLORD'S RECRUITMENT INITIATIVE EVENT. UM, THE CITY IS HELPING FUND FINDING HOUSING, UM, PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING FOR, UM, OUR FORMERLY HOMELESS FOLKS. YOU, YOU HAVE TO COME OFF THE STREET TO ONE LEVEL OF HOUSING AND MOVE TO THE NEXT LEVEL AND THEN MOVE TO THE, IT'S A CONTINUUM. AND, UM, SO THIS, THE WORK THAT THESE LANDLORDS ARE DOING AND PUTTING PEOPLE IN HOUSING IS REALLY IMPRESSIVE. AND THE WORK THAT HOME FIRST IS DOING IS IMPRESSIVE. OUR NEW POINT IN TIME COUNT, UH, COUNT OF HOW MANY HOMELESS FOLKS WE HAVE IN, IN PETALUMA SHOULD BE OUT SOON. IT'LL SHOW DECREASE, WHICH SHOWS THE GOOD WORK THAT THE CITY'S DOING. UM, I ALSO, UM, SPOKE AT LEADERSHIP PETALUMA, AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WISHING TO CONGRAT, I THINK WE GO TO A LOT OF THE SAME MEETINGS. AND SO, UM, CONGRATULATE OUR VICE MAYOR FOR TAKING THAT COURSE. AND IF YOU DO WANT TO KNOW HOW THINGS WORK IN PETALUMA, IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A COURSE THAT HELPS [00:45:01] YOU UNDERSTAND ALL THE PARTS AND PIECES COMING TOGETHER, THAT'S THAT COURSE. SO PLEASE SIGN UP. AND, UM, WITH THE WINDSOR TRAIN STATION OPENING IT, IT WAS FUN TO SEE THE COMMITMENT THEY HAVE TO GETTING TO HILLSBURG. I MEAN, THIS, THIS IS A SYSTEM THAT IS CONTINUING TO GROW, SO THAT WAS VERY IMPRESSIVE. AND WITH THAT, I'D LIKE [CITY MANAGER COMMENT] TO PASS IT OVER TO OUR CITY MANAGER FOR HER REPORT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, JUST AS AN FYI AND COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLY AND THE REST OF COUNCIL, THE HANGAR REPAIR IS OUT TO BID. SO WE'RE EXPECTING, UH, TO GET THAT PROJECT UNDERWAY. AND THE FAIR AS WE AS, AS YOU ALL MENTIONED, UM, IT'S GOING TO RUN FROM THURSDAY THROUGH SUNDAY. AVOID THE LINES AND PURCHASE YOUR TICKETS ONLINE, UH, DAY OF THE FAIR, UM, YOU CAN PURCHASE IT ALSO AT, AT THE GATE, AND YOU CAN ALSO GET A FOUR DAY ALL ACCESS PASS FOR $55. SO IT'S A GREAT DEAL AND FULL LIST OF VENDORS ACTIVITIES AND MORE CAN BE FOUND AT OUR WEBSITE@CITYOFPETALUMA.ORG SLASH FAIR. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT. THANK YOU. WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. UH, THAT MOVES US TO OUR CONSENT [CONSENT CALENDAR] CALENDAR FOR THE EVENING, AND I'D LIKE TO LOOK UP AND DOWN THE DI AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO WISHES TO DISCUSS ONE OF THE ITEMS SEPARATELY OR HAS A QUESTION. COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLY, I'D LIKE TO, I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM 15, PLEASE. OKAY. AND, UM, SEEING NO OTHER, UM, REQUESTS OR QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, WE'LL NOW GO TO THE PUBLIC FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON ALL 17 ITEMS. AND, UM, I'D LIKE TO ASK THE CLERK TO READ OUR MESSAGING FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON CONSENT CALENDAR. WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY COMMENTS AHEAD OF TIMES ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR, BUT MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ATTENDING IN PERSON SHOULD BRING THEIR SPEAKER CARDS TO THE CLERK'S DESK IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE SO. SPEAKERS ARE REMINDED TO BE RESPECTFUL IN THEIR COMMENTS AND THAT THIS MEETING IS BEING TRANSLATED. PLEASE PAUSE BETWEEN SENTENCES FOR TRANSLATION AND IT APPEARS WE HAVE NO, UM, PUBLIC SPEAKERS FOR THE CONSENT CALENDAR. SO THAT CLOSES PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR FOR THE EVENING, LIKE YOU BRING TO BACK TO THE DAAS AND INVITE COUNCILMAN MCCARLEY [15. Resolution Accepting the Transited-Oriented Communities (TOC) Planning and Implementation Grant from Metropolitan Transportation Commission (MTC) and Committing to TOC Policy Compliance for Funding Allocation to the Petaluma Downtown SMART Priority Development Area (PDA)] TO LEAD OFF WITH ITEM 15. UM, SO I, I HAVE A COUPLE CONCERNS ABOUT IT, BRIAN, IF YOU WANNA SPEAK TO IT. UM, SO THIS, THIS IS TO UPDATE THE CPSP IN OUR SMART CODE, CORRECT? CORRECT. OF THESE GRANTS. OKAY. AND THEN I'M, I'M CURIOUS, HOW DOES, WHY ARE WE SEEKING GRANT MONEY TO UPDATE THIS PRIOR TO THE NEW GENERAL PLAN BEING LAID OUT? GREAT QUESTION. SO IT IS SCOPE TO TIE, SO YOU CAN LOOK AT IT AS IMPLEMENTATION OF THE GENERAL PLAN. SO IT'S A TWO YEAR PROJECT. UH, THE TIMING IS, UH, IS ACTUALLY PERFECT. SO WE'RE ABOUT A YEAR AWAY FROM, UH, ADOPTING A NEW GENERAL PLAN. AND SO THIS WILL DOVETAIL NICELY, UM, TO LINE UP THE SMART CODE WITH THE GENERAL PLAN. AND WHAT SORT OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT DO YOU EXPECT TO DO FOR THIS? YEAH, I MEAN, SO SIMILAR TO ANY PLANNING, UM, PROCESS, I MEAN, WHAT'S NICE IS WE'RE GONNA, UM, TIER OFF THE GENERAL PLAN, UM, ENGAGEMENT. SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF ROBUST DISCUSSION. UM, WE'RE LOOKING TO KICK IT OFF, UM, WITH, UH, SOME JUST ENGAGEMENT ON, UM, WHAT I THINK IS THE CROWN JEWEL, IT'S THE SMART PARCEL. UM, THAT'S THE, UM, THE ONE THAT COMES UP ESSENTIALLY EVERY, EVERY MEETING, WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE SMART OWN PARCEL, UM, IN FRONT OF OUR TRAIN STATION. SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF REALLY SMART IDEAS THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS, UM, TO HELP ENVISION WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, TRY TO GET SOMETHING GOING ON THAT SITE. BUT IF WE'RE WORKING ON LAND USE LIKE TONIGHT, FOR EXAMPLE, AND HAVE BEEN, AND DEVELOPING THE GENERAL PLAN, WHY THEN GET GRANT MONEY TO, TO CONTINUE TO DEVELOP THAT OR CHANGE THAT AFTER WE'VE ALREADY ROLLED IT OUT AND BEEN DISCUSSING IT FOR SO LONG? YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. SO, UM, WELL, SO WE EITHER USE THIS GRANT MONEY OR WE HAVE TO USE OUR OWN GENERAL FUND MONEY. SO WE HAVE A NEW GENERAL PLAN. SMART CODE HASN'T BEEN UPDATED IN 20 PLUS YEARS. UM, AND SO THERE'S AN INCONSISTENCY WITH THE SMART CODE AND, AND WHAT WE EXPECT TO BE A VERY DIFFERENT GENERAL PLAN. UM, AND SO THIS STAFF IDENTIFIED A FUNDING SOURCE THAT DOESN'T, UM, IMPACT OUR GENERAL FUND. SO I THINK IT'S A, UM, IT'S AN INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO NOT USE GENERAL FUND TO GET SOMETHING DONE. AND IS THE, THE GOAL OF [00:50:01] IT TO, IS IT REALLY JUST TO INCREASE DENSITY? BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THAT ALREADY, SO I'M NOT SURE WHY ANOTHER MILLION DOLLARS PLUS IS NEEDED TO, TO KEEP THAT DISCUSSION GOING. YEAH, SO THERE'S THE DIFFERENCE. SO I THINK WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, UM, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GENERAL PLAN AND ZONING CODE. UM, WHAT IS UNIQUE HERE IN OUR CITY IS WE HAVE ESSENTIALLY TWO ZONING CODES. UH, SO IN THE BUDGET THAT COUNCIL UNANIMOUSLY ADOPTED, UM, THERE IS BUDGET FOR OUR DEPARTMENT, FOR OUR CITY TO MOVE FORWARD TO UPDATE THE ZONING CODE. UM, NOW THAT COVERS ROUGHLY 80, I'D SAY 80% OF THE CITY. UM, AND THEIR ZONING, THE 20% SITS IN THE SMART CODE. AND SO FOR US TO UPDATE THE GENERAL PLAN, UPDATE THE ZONING CODE, AND THEN NOT TOUCH THE SMART CODE, YOU'RE SORT OF MISSING A KEY INGREDIENT. UM, AND YOU'RE LEFT WITH AN INCONSISTENT, UM, IMPLEMENTATION OF A NEW GENERAL PLAN. SO THIS IS ACTUALLY PRETTY KEY. UM, AND WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR MTC TO, UM, HAVE US GIVE, GIVE US THIS OPPORTUNITY, UM, WHICH OTHERWISE WE WOULD BE LOOKING, UM, TO USE OUR GENERAL FUND MONEY TO. THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. THANK YOU. CAN WE GET A MOTION ON ITEM 15 OR A QUESTION? ARE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, JUST TO, TO CLARIFY TOO, RIGHT NOW OUR ZONING CODE IS SORT OF WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE DID, BECAUSE THE ALTERNATIVE OF LIKE USING OUR GENERAL FUND MONEY IS THAT WE JUST ACTUALLY DON'T IMPLEMENT OUR GENERAL PLAN WHERE THE SMART CODE IS, RIGHT? WHICH IS KIND OF WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW WITH OUR ZONING CODE. AM I RIGHT? CORRECT. RIGHT. SO WE HAVE, OUR ZONING CODE RIGHT NOW IS LIKE 40 YEARS OLD, EVEN THOUGH OUR GENERAL PLAN IS LIKE 20 YEARS OLD BECAUSE WE NEVER HAD THE FUNDS TO ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT THE GENERAL PLAN, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. UM, SO WE DO HAVE, UH, WE'VE DONE SOME LIGHT TOUCHES TO THE ZONING CODE, UM, BUT IT IS, I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT A NUMBER OF TIMES FROM A STAFF IMPLEMENTATION PERSPECTIVE, FROM A BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE, THAT WE DO NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE ZONING CODE. UM, ACTUALLY THIS MORNING I GOT THE, THE DRAFT, UM, SCOPE AT RFP FROM STAFF, UM, FOR ME TO REVIEW. AND SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING THAT TO PLANNING COMMISSION . RIGHT? I GUESS I'M JUST EMPHASIZING LIKE IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT WE ACTUALLY TAKE THE STEP TO IMPLEMENT THE ZONING CODE OR ELSE IT'S INCONSISTENT AND THEN THERE'S A WHOLE MESS OF WEIRD INTERPRETATIONS THAT, I MEAN, I'VE SEEN SINCE I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS INVOLVED IN THE CITY WORK. SO, UM, STRONGLY IN SUPPORT OF IT. AND I'LL MOVE THE ITEM. I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION ALSO. COUNSEL, IF I COULD JUST BRIEFLY ADD PLEASE. UNDER CURRENT LAW, WITH ALL THE NEW, UM, AND RAPIDLY EVOLVING AND I THINK CONTINUING, UM, NEW STATE HOUSING LAWS THAT HAVE BEEN REDUCING, UM, MUNICIPAL OVERSIGHT OF THE, UM, PLANNING AND LAND USE PROCESS, UM, INCONSISTENCIES BETWEEN THE GENERAL PLAN OF THE ZONING REALLY CREATE VULNERABILITIES, UM, AND POTENTIAL LIABILITY FOR THE CITY AND HAMPER EVEN MORE, UM, OUR ABILITY TO CONTROL HOW DEVELOPMENT APPROVALS PROCEED CONSISTENT WITH OUR COUNCIL'S POLICIES AND DIRECTION. THANKS. SO WE HAVE A MOTION FROM BARNACLE AND A SECOND FROM CATER THOMPSON. AND I WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT THAT, UM, UM, I, UM, I WOULD LIKE, I, I APPRECIATE THIS GRANT IN THAT IT PUTS MORE PUBLIC PROCESS, UH, GET THE, THE PUBLIC TO MEETINGS TO SEE MORE OF WHAT COULD OR WHAT THEY WISH TO SEE DONE. SO I, I THINK IT'S A NICE ADDED STEP TO FOCUS MORE PUBLIC PROCESS ON, UH, THE POTENTIAL GROWTH IN, IN PETALUMA. SO WITH THAT, UH, MAY WE HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE. BARNACLE. AYE. KATE THOMPSON? YES. DID CARLY? NO, NOW YES. QUINT? YES. SCHWIPPS? YES. MCDONALD? YES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. UM, AND NOW WE'RE LOOKING FOR A MOTION ON THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT CALENDAR. I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION. WE HAVE A MOTION BY CATER THOMPSON. I'LL SECOND. SECOND BY NOW FOR, UM, ITEMS, WHAT IS THAT ONE THROUGH 17? LESS 15. OKAY. ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE. BARNACLE. AYE. KATE THOMPSON? YES. DI CARLY? YES. NOW? YES. QUINT? YES. SHRI? YES. MCDONALD? YES. MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND, UH, REMEMBERING THAT ITEM 18 HAS BEEN PULLED AND THAT MOVES US INTO PUBLIC HEARINGS [19. Resolution Appointing Individuals to City Committees and Commissions] AND MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION. NUMBER 19, IT'S, UH, APPOINTMENT OF INDIVIDUALS TO CITY COMMITTEES AND COMMISSIONS. AND, UM, AND, UM, I'D LIKE TO, UM, WELL, BEFORE I PASS IT TO OUR CLERK, CAITLIN COREY, [00:55:01] TO READ CORRELATE TO READ THIS, UM, THIS IS A TIME WHEN WE GET TO APPOINT NEW FOLKS TO, UH, COMMISSIONS COMMITTEES. ALL TOO OFTEN, WE FORGET TO SAY FAREWELL. AND THANK YOU FOR ALL THOSE WHO HAVE WORKED ON THE COMMISSIONS, WHO ARE RETIRING OFF AND TONIGHT ARE MOSTLY NAMELESS. UH, UM, SO TO ALL THOSE, UH, FOLKS WHO ARE COMING OFF COMMISSIONS OR WHO'VE BEEN ON COMMISSIONS IN THE PAST, WE APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE VERY MUCH. AND THE ITEM IS YOURS, CAITLIN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. UM, LET ME SHARE MY SCREEN. SO I JUST HAVE A QUICK PRESENTATION BEFORE WE MOVE INTO THE VOTE. UH, WANTED TO GIVE, UH, SOME BACKGROUND ON THE ITEM. THIS IS OUR ANNUAL APPOINTMENT PROCESS FOR OUR CCBS. AND WE DO THIS EVERY YEAR IN THE SPRING, ANTICIPATING THE NEW TERMS, BEGINNING IN JULY. SO THIS YEAR WE HAD 30 OPEN SEATS TO FILL, WHICH WERE 28 TERMS ENDING AS USUAL. UH, AND ACTUALLY ONLY TWO VACANT SEATS FOR FOLKS WHO HAD LEFT EARLY, WHICH IS IS GREAT. UM, THE RECRUITMENT RAN FOR ROUGHLY SIX WEEKS FROM APRIL 14TH TO MAY 29TH. WE HAD 55 APPLICANTS. I DID WANNA NOTE THAT WE HAD, UH, THREE LATE APPLICANTS, UH, AND ONE LATE APPLICANT THAT WAS DUE TO SOME TECHNOLOGY FAILURE. THOSE WERE, UH, ATTACHED AS ATTACHMENT NUMBER FIVE IN THE PACKET. UM, AND THOSE APPLICANTS ARE LISTED ON THE VOTING SLIDES. THE THREE LATE APPLICANTS ARE IN GRAY. AND THE ONE APPLICANT, UH, THAT WAS LATE DUE TO SOME TECHNOLOGY FAILURE IS JUST LISTED ON THE MAIN LIST. UH, WE ALSO HAD SOME, UH, APPLICANTS WHO ARE ALREADY SERVING ON A DIFFERENT CCB OR WHO EXPRESS INTEREST IN MULTIPLE. UH, AND I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT, UM, THIS WOULD NOT VIOLATE THE DOCTRINE OF INCOMPATIBILITY, UM, AS THESE BODIES ARE ADVISORY AND SOLELY PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL'S FINAL APPROVAL. SO COUNCIL COULD CHOOSE TO APPOINT AN APPLICANT THAT IS ALREADY SERVING ON A CCB TO SERVE ON A DIFFERENT ONE OR TO SERVE ON MULTIPLE IN TERMS OF OUTREACH. UH, WE DID ADVERTISEMENTS IN THE ARGUS AND THE PRESS DEMOCRAT, OUR COMMS TEAM PUSHED OUT SOME EXCELLENT SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS. WE HAD ANNOUNCEMENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY UPDATE THE WEBSITE DURING CITY MANAGER COMMENTS. UH, WE ALSO PUSHED OUT THE FLYER AT CITY FACILITIES, REACHED OUT TO PAST APPLICANTS, UH, AND REACHED OUT TO OUR COMMUNITY GROUPS TO ENCOURAGE APPLICANTS. UH, AND OF COURSE, CITY COUNCIL REALLY HELPED SPREAD THE WORD. SO THANK YOU TO YOU GUYS. UM, SO I'M GONNA PAUSE HERE TO ALLOW FOR COUNCIL QUESTIONS AND FOR THE MAYOR TO OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT I'LL BE BACK WITH THE VOTING SLIDES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, BACK UP TO COUNCIL, ANY, UM, I'M GONNA READ THROUGH THE VOTING RULES IN A HEARTBEAT HERE, UH, AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT. BUT, UH, ANY OTHER, UH, QUESTIONS ON, ON THE APPLICANT'S, UH, PROCESS? GOOD. AND, UM, I GUESS WE SHOULD IDENTIFY THAT IF, WELL, IN TERMS OF WHAT'S LATE AND WHAT'S A FACTOR FOR LEAD. YES, I CAN COVER THAT WHEN WE GET TO EACH ONE. I'LL, I'LL MENTION IT. AND MORE BROADLY, I THINK, UM, WHILE THE COUNCIL HAS A, UM, DISCRETION TO ALLOW FOR LATE APPLICANTS, IT'S BEEN OUR PRACTICE NOT TO REALLY ALLOW FOR AN APPLICANT TO COME IN AFTER DEADLINE ADMINISTRATIVELY IF SOMETHING IS IN, BUT IT'S NOT RECEIVED, IT'S NOT PROCESSED IN TIME, THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S TRICKIER FOR US BECAUSE THE APPLICANT BELIEVES THEY'RE IN. AND SO I THINK COUNSEL HAS MORE LATITUDE AND GENERALLY IS MORE FAVORABLE TO THAT, UH, TO, TO BEING RECEPTIVE TO THAT APPLICANT. AND, UH, AND, AND I'LL LEAVE IT TO YOU TO EXPLAIN WHICH IS WHICH AS WE GO THROUGH THE VOTING. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. WONDERFUL. AND WITH THAT, WE'LL GO TO, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT. UH, HAVE WE HAD ANY, UH, OUTSIDE EMAIL FROM THIS? WE DID. WE RECEIVED THREE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM AHEAD OF THE MEETING. AND, UH, I THINK WE HAVE A FEW CARDS ON THIS ITEM, BUT IF ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT, UH, NOW IS THE MOMENT TO BRING A CARD UP. SO I'D LIKE TO INVITE NICOLA FRY TO BE FOLLOWED BY ADAM SHELTON. [01:00:22] THANK YOU. I SINCERELY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE CONSIDERED ONCE AGAIN FOR THE POSITION ON THE SENIOR ADVISORY COMMITTEE. OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS, I'VE BEEN DEEPLY HONORED TO LEAD THIS DEDICATED GROUP IN ITS MISSION TO ADDRESS THE NEEDS OF SENIORS, ACTIVE ADULTS, AND INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITY. THIS EXPERIENCE HAS STRENGTHENED MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE CHALLENGES WE ALL FACE, AND REINFORCED MY COMMITMENT TO ADVOCATING FOR THE WELLBEING OF THE MEMBERS OF ALL MARGINALIZED PETALUMA COMMUNITIES. IF GIVING THE CHANCE TO CONTINUE SERVING, I WILL BRING THE SAME PASSION, LEADERSHIP, AND DEDICATION TO FURTHERING THE COMMITTEE'S IMPACTFUL WORK. AT THE SAME TIME, I FEEL IT IS IMPORTANT TO SHARE WHY I HAVE WITHDRAWN MY APPLICATION TO CONSIDER SERVING ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, I LIVE WITH A DISABILITY, AND IN RECENT MONTHS, I HAD TO REASSESS MY PHYSICAL CAPABILITIES. WHEN I FIRST JOINED THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THERE WERE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT IMPROVING ACCESSIBILITY TODAY AND WHETHER THROUGH A RAMP, GRAD BARS, OR POSSIBLY A MORE ACCOMMODATING CHAIR. UNFORTUNATELY, THESE CHANGES WERE NEVER IMPLEMENTED, EVEN THOUGH I ASKED FOR MANY MEETINGS ABOUT IT DURING MY LAST MEET MEETING UP THERE, IT BECAME CLEAR THAT I COULD NO LONGER SAFELY NAVIGATE THE STAIRS TO ACCESS MY ACCESS, MY SEAT, OR THE RESTROOM DURING BREAKS. ACCESSIBILITY IS NOT A COURTESY, IT IS A RIGHT PROTECTED ON THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITY ACT. WHILE I HAVE OFTEN HESITATED TO VOICE MY OWN NEEDS, I BELIEVE IT IS ESSENTIAL TO ADVOCATE FOR FUTURE MEMBERS WITH DISABILITIES, WHETHER RELATED TO MOBILITY, VISION, HEARING, COGNITIVE, OR OTHER CHALLENGES. SO THEY DO NOT HAVE TO FACE THE SAME DIFFICULT CHOICE THAT I'VE HAD TO MAKE, TO STEP AWAY FROM A CIVIC PARTICIPATION DUE TO PHYSICAL BARRIER. PLEASE KNOW THAT THIS DECISION DOES NOT COME EASY AND DOES NOT DIMINISH MY DEDICATION TO OUR WONDERFUL COMMUNITY. I WILL CONTINUE TO ATTEND MEETINGS, SHARE MY PERSPECTIVE, AND ADVOCATE FOR INCLUSIVITY FOR ALL, EVEN IF ONLY FROM THE AUDIENCE. FINALLY, I WANT TO EXPRESS MY DEEPEST GRATITUDE FOR YOUR BELIEF IN ME AND FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE PREVIOUSLY ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION. YOU SUPPORT HAS BEEN A GREAT DEAL, AND I HOPE TO KEEP CONTRIBUTING IN WAYS THAT ALIGN WITH BOTH MY ABILITIES AND OUR SHARE COMMITMENT TO AN ACCESSIBLE, INCLUSIVE COMMUNITY FOR ALL. PETALUMA. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. ADAM SHELTON TO BE FOLLOWED BY HAROLD MATSON. GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR. MRS. VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL, CITY MANAGER, MEMBERS OF THE STAFF. MY NAME IS ADAM SHELTON, OR THIS EVENING TECHNOLOGY FAILURE MAYBE IS WHAT I'LL BE REFERRED TO. . UM, THANK YOU FOR THE, UH, THE BRIEF OPPORTUNITY TO INTRODUCE MYSELF. I HAVE APPLIED FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION. I AM A 20 PLUS YEAR ACTIVE DUTY MEMBER OF THE UNITED STATES COAST GUARD, WHICH I CONTINUE TO SERVE OUT AT OUR TRAINING CENTER. AND TO ROCK THAT PROPENSITY PASSION AND DEDICATION FOR SERVICE HAS LED ME TO APPLY FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION AMONGST OTHER COMMISSIONS AND COMMITTEES. IF GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY, I, UH, LOOK FORWARD TO THE, THE WORK AHEAD. AGAIN, THAT PROPENSITY FOR SERVICE IS ONE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SORT OF NARROW THE APERTURE AND LOCALIZE IF, IF YOU WILL. MY WIFE AND I HAVE BEEN A PART OF THIS COMMUNITY OFF AND ON SINCE 2003. MOST RECENTLY. WE HAVE LIVED HERE SIX OUT OF THE PAST SEVEN YEARS, AND NO PLANS TO LEAVE THIS GO ROUND. . UM, LOOKING FORWARD TO, AGAIN, THE, THE WORK AHEAD IF, IF GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY, AGAIN, I'LL BE BRIEF. I KNOW, UH, WE'VE, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF FOLKS THAT WANNA SPEAK. SO AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY AND THE, UH, THE, THE CHANCE TO SERVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, HAROLD MATSON. GOOD EVENING MR. MAYO, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL STAFF. MY NAME IS HAROLD MATSON AND I AM ASKING YOUR SUPPORT FOR THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE. UH, I AM A FOURTH GENERATION RESIDENT OF PETALUMA. MY GREAT-GREAT-GRANDFATHER CAME HERE IN THE 1860S. MY GRANDFATHER AROUND 1900. MY FATHER WAS BORN HERE ON A PROPERTY ON ELI ROAD, WHICH IS NOW FOX HOLLOW PLAYGROUND IN 1914. UM, MY GREAT-GRANDFATHER [01:05:01] WAS A FARMER, UM, ULTIMATELY MOVED DOWN THE STREET TO ANOTHER RANCH, WHICH WAS ULTIMATELY SOLD AND BECAME CATER FARMS. UH, I HAVE, UH, SERVED ON, ON NUMEROUS C COMMITTEES AND CIVIL, UH, CIVIC ORGANIZATIONS. I'M A LIFE MEMBER OF THE ODDFELLOWS LODGE, UH, ACTING AS A CONSULTANT IN THE HISTORY OF THE LODGE RIGHT NOW AS THEY DO THEIR RESTORATION. I'M A 28 YEAR MEMBER OF THE NATIVE SONS, THE GOLDEN WEST, WHERE I HAVE SERVED ON THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE THERE. UH, AND IN THAT CAPACITY WE IDENTIFY AND, UH, HONOR BY PLACING PLAQUES ON HISTORIC BUILDINGS, UH, IN AND AROUND PETALUMA. UH, THE NATIVE SUNS DOES IT ALL OVER THE STATE. MY JOB IS IN PETALUMA. WE'VE DONE PLACES SUCH AS THE, UH, UH, PETALUMA TRAIN STATION. WE, WE DID, UH, THE BURELL BUILDING. WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA RIGHT NOW, THE ODDFELLOWS BUILDING WHEN IT'S COMPLETED, THEIR RESTORATION. UH, WE'RE GONNA HONOR THE BUSINESS OF REX HARDWARE, WHICH BEGAN AS REX MERCANTILE IN 1909. AND, UM, WE'RE GONNA REACH OUT TO PENN GROVE, THE PENN GROVE SOCIAL FIREMAN. I'M VERY INTERESTED IN PRE PRESERVING THESE THINGS AND IDENTIFYING AND HONORING THE HISTORY OF PETALUMA. UH, SO I, AGAIN, I ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND I THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. THANK YOU. AND THAT WAS OUR LAST, UH, SPEAKER, UH, FROM PUBLIC COMMENT. SO WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND I'D LIKE TO INVITE OUR CITY ATTORNEY TO WEIGH IN. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. JUST BRIEFLY, I JUST WANTED TO NOTE IN RESPONSE TO MR. FRY'S COMMENTS, UM, IT'S ABSOLUTELY TRUE THAT, UM, THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT AND THE STATE VERSION OF THAT, THE FAIR EMPLOYMENT AND HOUSING ACT, UM, OBLIGATES US TO WORK TO REASONABLY ACCOMMODATE, UM, FOLKS, UM, WHO HA WHO NEED THOSE ACCOMMODATIONS. UM, AND IT'S, AND IT'S REALLY NOT, UM, AT ALL OUR PRACTICE 'CAUSE IT'S NOT INCONSISTENT WITH, IT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH THOSE RESPONSIBILITIES FOR SOMEONE TO BE FACED WITH A CHOICE OF PARTICIPATING IN, IN CIVIC LIFE AND PETALUMA, UM, OR, OR BEING ACCOMMODATED. SO JUST SO THAT THE COUNCIL KNOWS THAT WE, WE ARE COMMITTED TO THAT AND, AND WHEN WE CERTAINLY ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO LET US KNOW WHEN WE NEED TO USE THE, WE, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS WE CAN DO THAT. EVERY SITUATION IS UNIQUE, BUT, UM, EVEN, EVEN IN TERMS OF THERE'S AG OPINIONS CONCERNING OUR OPTIONS ON THE BROWN ACT TO DO THAT, TO FACILITATE, UM, LEGISLATIVE BODY MEMBERS' PARTICIPATION WHEN THEY NEED ACCOMMODATIONS, ET CETERA. SO JUST FOR INFORMATION FOR THE COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY, THANK YOU. I, I THINK THAT WAS A RATHER DISTURBING COMMENT. I APPRECIATE YOU ADDRESSING IT AND I'M SURE WE'LL HEAR MORE ON, UH, UH, HOW WE'RE ADDRESSING IT. OR HOW WE'RE CONSIDERING IT FURTHER AS WE GO FORWARD. UM, ALL RIGHT. AND WE'RE BACK TO CLERK FOR YES. SO I WILL BRING UP, UH, THE SLIDES AND WE CAN GO THROUGH EACH, UH, EACH C, C, B. SO LET'S GO THROUGH THE RULES, RIGHT? OH, SURE. THAT'D BE, UH, THAT'D BE MY RULE HERE, . SO, UM, THERE'S A COUPLE OF PROCEDURAL RULES. WE, WE WANNA MAKE CLEAR TO EVERYBODY, AND ONE OF THEM IS IT TAKES FOUR VOTES. IT TAKES THE COUNCIL MAJORITY TO BE APPOINTED. UH, THE NEXT RULE IS, UM, WE'VE ALL SUBMITTED OUR DRAFT FOR OUR FIRST ROUND INFORMATION TO THE CLERK, UH, WHO WILL DISPLAY THOSE RESULTS AND THEN ASK, UM, UH, IF THAT IS IN FACT REPRESENTATIVE OF PEOPLE'S ACTUAL VOTES AND OR IF SOMEONE NEEDS TO MAKE A CHANGE. AND FROM THAT, THAT WILL BE OUR FIRST PASS AT EVERYTHING AT THAT MOMENT, ANY SEATS THAT ARE NOT RESOLVED IN THAT MOMENT WILL, UM, COME FORWARD FOR AN INDEPENDENT VOTE, UH, AFTER THAT. AND WE'LL CONSIDER ONE COMMITTEE COMMISSION AT A TIME FOLLOWING THAT. AND THEN, UM, OBVIOUSLY COUNCIL VOTES FOR THE NUMBER OF OPEN SEATS THERE ARE. SO, UM, OR, OR NOT, YOU MAY, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED NOT VOTE FOR EVERY VOTE FOR EVERYTHING. IF YOU DON'T FEEL THERE'S AN, A QUALIFIED OR SOMEONE YOU CHOOSE TO SELECT, UM, IT IS NOT INCUMBENT ON YOU TO VOTE FOR EVERY SPACE. UM, AND THEN IF THERE ARE A TI, IF THERE IS A TIE ON, UH, A, A VOTE, WE'LL WE'LL DO ANOTHER ROUND AND SORT THE TIE OUT. UM, IF, UM, IF NO APPLICANT RECEIVES A MAJORITY, WE'LL DO A SECOND ROUND, UH, WITH ONLY THOSE WHO RECEIVE VOTES IN THE FIRST ROUND. AND, UM, AND IN THE CASE OF LONGER SEATS, SHORTER SEATS OF TWO YEAR TERM, FOUR YEAR TERM, THE UH, APPLICANT WITH THE LARGEST VOTE TOTAL WILL GET THE LONGER SEAT, MORE TENURED [01:10:01] SEAT, AND THE OTHER WILL GET THE SHORTER SEAT. AND IF THERE'S A TIE BETWEEN UM, TWO SEATS OF DISSIMILAR LENGTH, THEN WE'LL DO ANOTHER ROUND OF VOTING AND SORT OUT WHO GETS THE LONG SEAT AND WHO GETS THE SORT SHORT SEAT. I THINK THOSE ARE THE PROCESS PARTS OF THIS. AND SO LET'S GO TO THE PRESENTATION. OKAY, THERE WE GO. SO WE WILL START WITH THE AIRPORT COMMISSION. THERE ARE TWO REGULAR, UH, FOUR, FOUR YEAR TERMS. AND THEN THERE'S THE ONE PETALUMA AREA PILOTS ASSOCIATION, UH, TERM, WHICH IS ONE YEAR. AND I'LL JUST READ THROUGH THE APPLICANTS. UH, THEY ARE MICHAEL BREWER. DO DREW BLY. APOLOGIES IF I, IF I MISPRONOUNCE THESE. ANNA DIETRICH, MARCUS MARAND, NOEL NORTON AND COLIN PERRY APPLIED FOR THE PEPPA REP POSITION. THESE ARE THE INITIAL VOTES THAT COUNCIL TURNED IN. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE YOUR VOTES OR, UH, MAKE ANY CHANGES. BUT IF NOT, WE DID HAVE THREE, UH, THREE PEOPLE WHO RECEIVED MAJORITY COUNCIL VOTE. THEY'RE HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN. ANY CHANGES? IS THERE ANY CHANGES? ARE WE ADOPTING WITH NO, NO COMMENT. WE ARE ON TO THE NEXT ONE. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO JUST TO CONFIRM, THAT'S ANNA DIETRICH, MARCUS MARAND FOR THE TWO LONGER TERMS. AND COLIN PERRY FOR THE SHORTER TERM. AND THE NEXT POSITION IS THE GROUNDWATER SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE. IT'S ONE MEMBER FOR A TWO YEAR TERM. AND THE APPLICANTS WERE ROBERT IZZO AND SEAN PHILLIPS. AND IT IS UNANIMOUS FOR ROBERT IZZO UNLESS ANYONE HAS ANY CHANGES. OKAY, LOOKS LIKE NO CHANGES. I'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT. THIS IS FOR HISTORIC AND CULTURAL PRESERVATION COMMITTEE. THERE ARE TWO REGULAR MEMBERS AND ONE, UH, MUSEUM, PETALUMA MUSEUM ASSOCIATION MEMBER. THE APPLICANTS ARE CAROLINE HALL, HAROLD MATSON, JULIA MCMICHAEL, ALI SQUIRREL, SAMANTHA VANCE. AND THESE LAST THREE IN ORANGE ARE ACTUALLY THOSE WHO LISTED HCPC AS THEIR SECOND CHOICE. SO THAT'S KEVIN AKERS, SARAH EBNER, AND MICHAEL SUPER. UH, THIS IS THE INITIAL VOTES FROM COUNCIL. SO UNLESS ANYONE HAS ANY CHANGES, UH, THREE PEOPLE DID RECEIVE, UH, MAJORITY VOTES. AND THAT WOULD BE CAROLINE HALL FOR THE PMA REP, JULIA MCMICHAEL AND ALI SQUIRREL FOR THE OTHER TWO SEATS. UH, IF THIS LOOKS OKAY TO EVERYONE OR ANY CHANGES. ALRIGHT. OKAY, THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT MEASURE YOU OVERSIGHT. WE HAVE THREE REGULAR MEMBERS FOR FOUR YEAR TERMS. THE APPLICANTS ARE JACK BYRNE, CARRIE DAVISON, LELAND FISHMAN, ARIA NIELSEN, AND TYLER TERRELL. AND BASED ON THE INITIAL VOTES, WE DO HAVE THREE PEOPLE WHO RECEIVED COUNCIL MAJORITY, WHICH WOULD BE JACK BYRNE, CARRIE DAVISON, AND LELAND FISHMAN. ARE THERE ANY CHANGES? OKAY. LOOKS GOOD. OKAY. THEN WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT, WHICH IS, UH, PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. UH, THE APPLICANT'S, THERE'S ONLY ONE SEAT FOR THIS, AND THE APPLICANTS ARE ROBERT BAILEY, GENEVIEVE FARR, DAVID FELIX, DJ ACKER, DAVID HORNING, AARON PRENTICE, CHRISTOPHER SMITH. AND SECOND CHOICES FOR THE FOLLOWING APPLICANTS WERE BRIAN GOLDMAN, PJ LANG, HAROLD MATSON, ARIA, NIELSEN, AND ADAM SHELTON. THERE WAS COUNCIL MAJORITY FOR DAVID FELIX. IF THAT LOOKS GOOD, NO CHANGES. OKAY. NEXT UP IS PLANNING COMMISSION. THREE REGULAR MEMBERS FOR FOUR YEAR TERMS. THE APPLICANTS ARE SARAH EBNER, BRIAN GOLDMAN, WE HO, BAXTER, MARTIN, JOHN MILLS, KEITH SILT, LEE HUA, STEWART, ADAM SHELTON, UH, AND FOR SECOND CHOICE, ROBERT IZZO, ALLIE SQUIRREL, TYLER TERRELL. UM, AND THERE IS COUNCIL MAJORITY FOR THREE APPLICANTS. THOSE WILL BE SARAH EBNER, BRIAN GOLDMAN, AND KEITH SCHUTT. SO IF THERE'S NO CHANGES, OKAY, NOPE. LOOKING GOOD SO FAR, THIS HAS BEEN VERY SMOOTH. . OKAY. PUBLIC [01:15:01] ART. AH, HERE'S ONE. WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE A VOTE. UH, PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE. THERE'S TWO REGULAR MEMBERS FOR FOUR YEAR TERMS AND ONE REGULAR MEMBER FOR A SHORTER VACATED TERM. THE APPLICANTS ARE KEVIN AKERS, CODY ISHA, CHERYL CALDERONE, LAURA HOLMES, ASHLEY KELMAN, DARCY LAMORE ARENAS, BARBARA MAYS, BRIANNA WEAVER, JULIA MCMICHAEL AND ADAM SHELTON ARE SECOND CHOICE. UM, WE DO HAVE SOME, UH, FOLKS WHO RECEIVED MAJORITY, WHICH WOULD BE CODY ISHA AND CHERYL CALDERONE. UM, WE WILL NEED TO, UH, TAKE AN ADDITIONAL VOTE, I BELIEVE, FOR THE VACATED TERM. WELL, LET'S CHECK IF ANYBODY IF THIS REFLECTS THEIR PREFERENCES BECAUSE, UM, I'M, I, UM, I'M GONNA CHANGE MY PREFERENCE. OKAY. AND I'M GONNA, UM, MOVE MY LAURA HOLMES VOTE TO BRIANNA WEAVER. UH, HAHA. OKAY. AND SO WE HAVE COUNCIL MAJORITY FOR BRIANNA WEAVER FOR THE SHORTER VACATED TERM, IF THAT WORKS. OKAY, LET ME JUST MARK THAT. SO, UH, CODY ISHA, CHERYL CALDERON WILL HAVE THE LONGER TERMS, THE TWO REGULAR FOUR YEAR TERMS, AND BRIANNA WEAVER WILL BE THE VACATED TERM. AND MOVING ON TO RECREATION, MUSIC AND PARKS COMMISSION. THE APPLICANTS ARE JOSE ALLEGER, ALLEGRA ALLERE, STACY EARL, BRENDA GARCIA, DANIEL RODRIGUEZ, MICHAEL SUPER, AND FOR A SECOND CHOICE, UH, MICHAEL BREWER, DAVID HORNING, BAXTER MARTIN, GENEVIEVE FARR, LESLIE FHI, CHRISTOPHER SMITH, AND ADAM SHELTON. UH, THERE IS COUNCIL, UH, MAJORITY FOR STACEY EARL AND BRENDA GARCIA. IT LOOKS LIKE WE WILL NEED TO TAKE ANOTHER VOTE ON THE THIRD SEAT, UNLESS ANYONE HAS ANY, ANY CHANGES THEY'D LIKE TO MAKE. MR. MAYOR? YES. COUNCILOR BARNICLE. I'LL CHANGE MINE TO JOSE ALLEGRA. THE CHRISTOPHER SMITH VOTE? YES. OKAY. OKAY, THEN WE HAVE COUNCIL MAJORITY FOR THREE. SO THOSE, LET ME JUST HIGHLIGHT THIS. SO JOSE ALLEGRA, STACY EARL, AND BRENDA GARCIA WILL BE, UH, APPOINTED TO THOSE THREE SEATS. THANK YOU. SENIOR ADVISORY COMMITTEE. WE HAVE QUITE A FEW SEATS AVAILABLE HERE. THERE ARE FOUR REGULAR SEATS FOR TWO YEAR TERMS, AND THEN ONE MEMBER FOR A VACATED TERM, A SHORTER TERM. UH, WE ACTUALLY HAVE COUNCIL MAJORITY FOR SIX PEOPLE. UM, I WILL NOTE THAT, UH, KATHY, WELL LET ME READ THE APPLICANT'S FIRST. LYDIA ASLAN, NICOLA FRY, DAWN FOREMAN, KATHY MEYERS. UH, AND FOR SECOND CHOICE, IT WAS GAIL ABRAMS, ROBERT BAILEY, SAMANTHA VANCE, AND ADAM SHELTON. UM, KATHY MEYERS AND GAIL ABRAMS BOTH HAD COUNCIL MEMBERS INDICATE THEY WANTED, UH, THEM FOR THE SHORTER TERM. SO IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO DO A, A FINAL VOTE BETWEEN THOSE TO SEE WHICH A TIE VOTE, WHICH ONE OF THEM WOULD, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE. YEAH. UM, I BELIEVE MAYBE IT WAS GAIL THAT HAD, UH, PUT IN FOR THE TRANSIT COMMITTEE AND IT, AND IT WOULD BE, MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR US TO SEE IF SHE WAS SELECTED FOR THAT. AND MAYBE MAKE IT EASY ON US ON THIS ONE. SURE. WE CAN COME BACK TO THIS. YOU WANNA DO TRANSIT FIRST? AND, UH, I THINK THAT'S AN ACCEPTABLE PROCESS. OKAY, SO GO FOR TRANSIT. AND THERE ARE THREE REGULAR MEMBERS. APPLICANTS WERE GAIL ABRAMS. UH, MY APOLOGIES, CATHERINE KARATE WAS INCLUDED IN THE LIST, BUT SHE ACTUALLY DOES NOT LIVE IN TOWN, SO SHE WAS NOT ELIGIBLE. UM, SO THAT'S WHY HER NAME IS CROSSED OUT. THE OTHER APPLICANTS ARE PATTY ROS, LESLIE FCI, AND FOR SECOND CHOICE IT WAS KEITH HILT AND DANIEL RODRIGUEZ. WE DID HAVE COUNCIL MAJORITY ON THESE. SO GAIL ABRAMS WILL BE APPOINTED. PATTY ROS AND LESLIE FSI. IF THIS WORKS, LET'S MOVE BACK TO SENIOR. YEP. CAN YOU, UH, READ OFF THE TOTAL COUNT FOR EACH ROW? YES. LYDIA ASLA RECEIVED TWO VOTES. NICOLA FRY RECEIVED FOUR. DAWN FOREMAN RECEIVED SEVEN. KATHY MEYERS RECEIVED FOUR. GAIL ABRAMS RECEIVED FOUR. ROBERT BAILEY RECEIVED FIVE. SAMANTHA VANCE RECEIVED THREE, AND ADAM SHELTON [01:20:01] RECEIVED SIX. UM, SO I, I THINK OUR PROCESS SAYS YOU SEAT FROM THE HIGHEST NUMBER, AND THEN IF THERE'S A TIE. AND DO I READ THIS RIGHT, THAT WE HAVE A SEVEN OF FIVE AND A SIX AND THEN A THREE-WAY TIE AT FOUR VOTES EACH? YES. DO YOU WANT, I CAN DO A SECOND SLIDE WITH JUST THE FOLKS WHO RECEIVED THE FOUR VOTES. MAYOR, LET'S COME OVER TO COUNCIL MEMBER QUINT. I'LL, UH, I'LL CHANGE MY, UH, VOTE FROM ABRAMS TO KATHY MEYERS. AND, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER VICE MAYOR. UM, I CAN CHANGE MY, UM, I SAID GALE ABRAMS FOR THE SHORTER, I CAN MOVE THIS SHORTER TERM TO KATHY MEYERS AND MOVE MY VOTE TO ADAM SHELTON. SO I, I THINK I WANT TO NOTE THAT WE DON'T GET TO CHOOSE THE SHORTER THE PERSON WITH OH, WE DON'T, THE PERSON WITH THE LEAST VOTES. OH, OH, OKAY. THAT IT, THAT IS APPROVED. YEAH. SO, UM, YOU WERE MOVING YOUR GALE ABRAM VOTES TO TO YEAH, SINCE I'M ELIMINATING GAIL ABRAMS AND GIVING THAT VOTE TO ADAM. SO THAT GIVES HIM THE MAJORITY VOTES. OKAY. ALONG WITH JOHN FOREMAN. OKAY. SO NOW GALE ABRAMS NO LONGER HAS A MAJORITY. SO, UM, AND UM, WE ARE AT . WE, WE ARE AT, UM, THREE THAT ARE MOVING THROUGH AND A AND DO WE LOSE, AND THEN WE HAVE A TWO-WAY TIE WITH FOUR VOTES. IS THAT, IS MY, AM I KEEPING UP WITH MY MAN? NO, WE HAVE KATHY MEYER AT FIVE. SORRY, THIS IS TRICKY. UH, KATHY MEYER ACTUALLY NOW HAS FIVE VOTES AND IT LOOKS LIKE NICOLA FRY HAS FOUR VOTES. SO SHE WOULD BE THE SHORTER, AND THAT WOULD BE FIVE SEATS RIGHT THERE. THAT WOULD BE FIVE. AND, AND EACH OF THEM WITH, AND ALL OF THEM HAVE A MAJORITY COUNCIL VOTE. CORRECT. SO THAT WOULD BE NICOLA FRY IN WITH THE VACATED TERM DON FOREMAN WITH THE FULL TERM KATHY MEYERS, ROBERT BAILEY, AND ADAM SHELTON WITH THE FULL TERM. OKAY. I THINK THE MATH IS GOOD. OKAY. AMAZINGLY. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT CLARITY. AND WE'RE MOVING NOW BACK TO, YES. SO WE ALREADY COVERED TRANSIT. SO NOW WE'RE MOVING TO TREE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. ON THIS SLIDE YOU'LL SEE THE GRAY, UH, APPLICANTS, WHERE THE APPLICATIONS THAT CAME IN LATE. UM, AND AGAIN, THESE WERE NOT FOLKS WHO, UH, HAD TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES. THEY REACHED OUT AND ASKED TO BE CONSIDERED LATE. UM, I'LL READ THE FULL LIST, PLEASE. OH, STEPHANIE SANCHEZ, UH, THIS WAS HER FIRST CHOICE. DJ ACKER, IT WAS HIS SECOND CHOICE. AND DIANE GENTLE AND GARRETT STAUS WERE THE LATE APPLICANTS MR. MAYOR. I'D LIKE TO ADD MY SECOND VOTE TO STEPHANIE SANCHEZ. I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST ONE PERSON. SO I, I STEPPED THERE. SO YOU, YOU GET, YOU'RE MISSING A VOTE, YOU'RE ADDING IT INTO STEPHANIE SANCHEZ. I SEE. AND CORRECT. AND, UM, WE ALSO HAVE, UH, UM, SO I'D LIKE TO GET A CONSENSUS HERE ON, UH, WHETHER A LATE, UM, IT'S NOT TYPICAL THAT WE ALLOW LATE APPLICANTS AFTER THE DEADLINE. DO WE HAVE THE DISCRETION TO WAIVE THAT? UH, IS THAT THE COUNCIL'S PLEASURE? DO WE WANNA HOLD PRECEDENT WITH WHAT WE HAVE? AND THAT WOULD BE LIKE IN THE FORM OF A MOTION, THOUGH. IT'S NOT REALLY A RESOLUTION OR ANYTHING, BUT I WAS, I WAS GONNA SAY I DIDN'T, UH, UNDERSTAND THAT THE BOTTOM TWO WERE LATE, NOT DUE TO, UH, TECHNICAL DIFFICULTY. UH, SO IN LIGHT OF THAT, I WOULD BE INCLINED TO, UM, CONSIDER MOVING MY BOAT TO THE OTHER APPLICANT WHO WASN'T LATE AND, AND, AND NOT MODIFY OUR PRECEDENT. THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S CORRECT. AND I'LL GO WITH DJ. 'CAUSE I DIDN'T REALIZE THERE WAS TWO. I THOUGHT THERE WAS ONLY ONE. ALRIGHT. AND WE HAVE, AND, UH, DOES ANYONE ELSE WANT TO EXPRESS AN OPINION ON WHETHER WE ALLOW A L LATE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER SHRIMP? OKAY, I'LL, I'LL GO AHEAD AND ARGUE THE, UH, CASE FOR, UH, DIANE GEN TEEL. UM, 'CAUSE WHAT HAPPENED WAS, ACCORDING TO, UM, THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PUT OUT, TWO POSITIONS WERE AVAILABLE, BUT ONLY ONE REALLY ONE APPLICANT, UH, WAS, WAS THERE FOR THAT TWO POSITIONS. SO WE HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL HERE WHO SEEING THAT WAS JUST ONE APPLICANT FOR TWO POSITIONS, DECIDED TO STEP [01:25:01] UP, SAYS, I'M GONNA JOIN IN SINCE NOBODY ELSE HAS, I'M GONNA COME ON IN WITH IT. SO, SO THE LATE APPLICANT COULD, MIGHT, I THINK COULD BE EXCUSED, UM, FOR, FOR THE LATENESS BECAUSE SHE'S STEPPING UP IN A ROLE THAT, UH, WE WOULDN'T HAVE SOMEONE WITHOUT THAT. AND, AND HAVING, UH, DJ GAER AS, AS THE SECOND CHOICE. AND I ALSO KNOW THAT, UH, DIANE, UM, IS, IS VERY INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY AND HAS, UH, I'VE BEEN OUT AND WORKED WITH TREES QUITE A BIT OVER THE, OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS WITH LEAF AND EVERYTHING ELSE. OKAY. SO I WOULD SUPPORT, UH, DIANE, JEN TEEL IN THIS CASE. SO, UM, I'M GONNA ASK THIS IN THE FORM OF A STRAW POLL THEN. SO THE STRAW POLL QUESTION IS, DO WE ALLOW A LATE APPLICANT IN CONTRAST TO OUR PAST PRECEDENTS? SO IF YOU'RE A YES, WE ALLOW A LATE APPLICANT. RAISE YOUR HAND. AND SO YOU'RE IN, YOU'RE IN 2, 3, 4. OKAY. WE HAVE FOUR VOTES TO BREAK OUR PRACTICE, SO WE'RE GONNA DO THAT. SO NEXT, LOOKING AT THIS, I SEE THREE AND THREE. AND, UM, AND UNLESS ANYONE WANTS TO REVISE THEIR STATEMENT, I THINK WE NOW GO, I JUST WANTED TO NOTE, COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLY ONLY VOTED FOR ONE, WHICH IS FINE, BUT IF, WHICH IS FINE. YOU WANTED TO VOTE A SECOND TIME. I'M INVITING COUNCIL MEMBERS TO SAY WHETHER THIS IS THEIR VOTE OR NOT. AND WITHOUT ANYBODY SAYING IT'S NOT THEIR VOTE, WE'LL MOVE TO ONE APPOINTED. AND NOW WE'LL DO THE TIE PRACTICE, WHICH IS TO HAVE THE TWO, THE TWO VOTES UP THERE NEXT TO EACH OTHER. SO THIS IS THE SECOND ROUND. I'LL JUST, AND WE CAN DO THIS IN THE FORM OF A ROLL CALL, UM, BARNACLE GENTEEL CATO DOON, DJ DE CARLY, GEN TEEL. GEN TEEL. NOW GEN TEEL, QUINT TERES. GENTIL. APOLOGIES. SHRIVES, HE'S INFRA. GENTIL. OH, AND MCDONALD. UM, WELL, THE HANDWRITING'S ON THE WALL. UM, , I'M JUST GONNA JOIN, JOIN THE PARTY HERE. UH, SO GENTIL? YES. OKAY, THANK YOU. WE'VE RECEIVED MAJORITY VOTE FOR DIANE GENTILE. AND, UM, I THINK AT THIS POINT WE'RE, WE VALIDATE THE RESOLUTION. UM, ARE YOU PREPARED TO LIST THEM ALL OR ARE WE GONNA HAVE THAT AS JUST PART OF THE RECORD ALREADY? I'LL USE THIS, UM, TO CREATE THE, THE LIST ON THE RESOLUTION, AND I'LL UPLOAD THIS TO THE WEBSITE SO FOLKS CAN SEE EACH ROUND. THAT'S FABULOUS. AND SO WE'VE, UM, NOMINATED OR COUNCIL HAS MADE THAT NOMINATION FOR APPOINTMENT, AND NOW THIS IS A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THE COLLECTION. SO, UH, PLEASE HAVE THAT ROLL CALL VOTE. COULD WE HAVE A, A MOTION AND A SECOND ? I'LL MOVE APPROVAL OF THE, UH, OF THE PROPOSED APPOINTMENTS AS READ. I'LL SECOND THAT YOU HAVE BARNACLE AND CATER THOMPSON. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BARNACLE. AYE. CATER THOMPSON? YES. DI CARLY? YES. NOW? YES. QUINT? YES. SHRI? YES. MCDONALD? YES. MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I KNOW THAT'S TRICKY, BUT, UM, I THINK WE ALL, WE DID WELL TO GET THERE. UM, NOW THAT BRINGS [20. ​​Continued Discussion of Areas of Change, Land Use Designations, and Land Use Alternatives to receive feedback and direction from the City Council to inform development of a preferred land use map as part of development of the Draft General Plan​] US TO, UM, ITEM 20, OUR WORKSHOP FOR THE EVENING. AND IT'S THE CONTINUING, UH, THE CONTINUING DISCUSSION OF AREAS OF CHANGE, LAND USE, DESIGNATION, AND LAND USE ALTERNATIVES TO RECEIVE FEEDBACK AND DIRECTION FROM CITY COUNCIL TO INFORM DEVELOPMENT OF A PREFERRED LAND, LAND USE MAP AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE GEN DRAFT GENERAL PLAN. CAN WE GET FIVE MINUTES, MAYOR AND, UM, UH, MADAME CLERK, IF WE WOULD, UH, IF THE CLERK WOULD POST UP A FIVE MINUTE, UH, RECESS. UH, WE'LL SEE IF THE COUNCIL'S BACK OR THE SLIDESHOW IS UP FIRST. THANK YOU BACK. WE'RE RECORDING. WE ARE. GOOD. MEETING IS CALLED BACK INTO ORDER, AND I'D LIKE TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, STAGING OF THIS, UH, CONVERSATION FOR THE EVENING HERE. UM, MAINLY THAT AS HAS OUR PA PAST, UH, LAND USE PLANNING, UH, EVENTS, WORKSHOPS, UM, BEEN CONDUCTED. THIS WILL BE IN SEGMENTS DRESSING, UH, PARTICULAR PARTS. AND, UH, TONIGHT WE HAVE THREE PARTICULAR PARTS THAT WE'RE GONNA SEPARATE. AND, UM, I'LL LET, UH, STAFF, UM, WALK US INTO THAT. BUT AT THE, AT THE END OF EACH SEGMENT, THERE'LL BE A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO, [01:30:01] UH, HAVE A CHAT ABOUT THAT ELEMENT BEFORE WE MOVE TO THE NEXT ELEMENT, SINCE EACH OF THEM IS PRETTY WEIGHTY. AND, UM, WITH THAT, I, I'D LIKE TO INVITE, UM, HEATHER HINES, OUR SPECIAL PROJECTS MANAGER TO, UH, TEE UP THE EVENING'S WORKSHOP. THANK YOU MAYOR AND, UM, COUNCIL MEMBERS. UM, WE ARE HERE BEFORE YOU YET AGAIN TO TALK ABOUT LAND USE. UM, SO WE ARE HERE FOR THE THIRD, UM, HOPEFULLY IN AN INSTALLMENT OF THREE, UM, TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION. UM, AS THE MAYOR MENTIONED, IT IS WEIGHTY CONTENT, SO WE HAVE FOUND THAT SOME OF THE DISCUSSION, UH, IT WAS BETTER TO SLOW DOWN AND HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, AND WE HAVE, UM, GOTTEN A LOT OF GREAT FEEDBACK OUT OF IT. SO I AM GONNA KICK THINGS OFF, BUT I WANT TO, UM, I'M HERE WITH MY COLLEAGUES, BRIAN, UM, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, AND RON AND SIMRAN FROM IAN ASSOCIATES, BOTH PRINCIPALS WITH RAMIAN ASSOCIATES. SO THESE TWO ARE ACTUALLY GONNA DO MUCH OF THE HEAVY LIFTING IN TERMS OF THE PRESENTATION AND HELPING LEAD US THROUGH THIS CONVERSATION. UM, I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THERE ARE TWO MEMBERS OF THE GENERAL PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE HERE, UM, AS WELL. AND I WILL TOUCH ON THAT AS PART OF MY PRESENTATION. BUT THE GENERAL PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE, OR GPAC AS WE MIGHT ABBREVIATE IT, HAS REALLY BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN THIS CONVERSATION. SO, UM, WANT TO WELCOME THEM HERE AND WELCOME THE COUNCIL TO UTILIZE THEM TO ASK QUESTIONS OF THEM, TO SEEK THEIR INPUT, BECAUSE THEY DID SPEND A LOT OF TIME GOING THROUGH THIS MATERIAL BEFORE IT CAME BEFORE YOU. UM, SO EVEN THOUGH WE'VE BEEN HERE THREE TIMES, I JUST WANNA TAKE A MOMENT TO KIND OF CONTEXT SET HERE. UH, THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT LAND USE IS REALLY DRIVEN BY THE VALUES AND GOALS THAT WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING THROUGHOUT THE LAST COUPLE YEARS AS PART OF THIS, UM, GENERAL PLAN UPDATE. UM, SO ALL OF THE THINGS THAT ARE BEFORE YOU KEEP COMING BACK TO WHAT ARE THOSE VALUES? WHAT ARE THOSE GOALS? WHAT ARE THOSE DRIVERS THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IN THE COMMUNITY WITH OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND COMMITTEES, WITH THE COUNCIL, WITH THE GENERAL PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE. UM, AND THAT IS WHAT WE KEEP CHECKING OURSELVES AGAINST AND MAKING SURE THAT THE POLICIES, THE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS, THE LAND USE MAP ARE ALL, UM, REFLECTING THIS FEEDBACK WE'VE RECEIVED. UH, SIMILARLY, THE BASIC VISIONS THAT WE HEARD EARLY ON IN, UM, THE VISIONING PROCESS, EVEN THE INFORMATION GATHERING PROCESS WITH THE COMMUNITY, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME VERY, UM, SPECIFIC AND STRONG AND SUPPORTED VISIONS AND LIKE, UM, ACCESSING THE RIVER OPEN SPACE AND ACCESS ALONG THE RIVER, LIKE CREATING 15 MINUTE ACTIVITY CENTERS THROUGHOUT TOWN, LIKE THE EVOLUTION OF OUR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS, LIKE, UM, FOCUSING OUR DEVELOPMENT IN OUR CORE AROUND TRANSIT AND SERVICES. SO AGAIN, THESE ARE NOT NEW. THIS IS STUFF WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS. AND, UM, IT CONTINUES TO BE REFLECTED IN OUR LAND USE DISCUSSION. SO REALLY, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THESE THINGS AND THESE ARE HAVE NOT CHANGED, WHAT WE'RE REALLY HERE TO TALK WITH THE COUNCIL ABOUT IN, IN MANY WAYS IS HOW MUCH CHANGE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? WHAT'S THAT RIGHT AMOUNT, UM, WITH THESE RECOMMENDATIONS? UM, DID WE, DID WE GET IT RIGHT? AND ALSO PROVIDING THAT BACKGROUND OF WHERE DID THE RECOMMENDATION COME FROM, HOW DID THE COMMUNITY RESPOND? HOW DID THE, UM, GENERAL PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE MAYBE REFINE THAT? AND THEN BRINGING IT BACK, UM, TO THE COUNCIL FOR YOUR FEEDBACK BEFORE WE GO TO THE LAND USE MAP, WHICH THEN BRINGS US AS A GREAT SEGUE. SO OUR NEXT STEPS, ONCE WE GET THIS FINAL FEEDBACK ON THE LAND USE, UM, THIS REMAINING AREAS OF CHANGE, THE LAND USE DESIGNATION STANDARDS, WE ARE GOING TO BE EMBARKING ON, UM, A PREFERRED LAND USE MAP. AND ACCOMPANYING THAT WILL BE A NUMBER OF TECHNICAL STUDIES THAT WE WILL BE DOING. SO WHEN WE COME BACK TO THE GPAC, THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL, UM, WE WILL HAVE A PREFERRED LAND USE MAP, AND WE WILL HAVE THIS DATA ALONG WITH IT SO [01:35:01] YOU CAN BETTER UNDERSTAND, UM, THE GROWTH PROJECTIONS, THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACTS, FISCAL IMPACT. SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING NEXT, UM, WITH THIS FEEDBACK LOOP. SO I'M NOT GONNA SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THIS, BUT WE DID GET GREAT FEEDBACK AT THE MARCH 3RD AND APRIL 14TH CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP. SO WE HAVE TAKEN THAT INFORMATION. UM, SOME OF IT WE RECONFIRMED AT THE LAST MEETING, UM, JUST TO MAKE SURE WE HAD ACCURATELY REFLECTED THAT. ALL OF THAT INFORMATION, ALONG WITH THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'LL RECEIVE TONIGHT IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA TAKE AND, AND CREATE THAT, THAT PREFERRED LAND USE MAP. SO, UM, ALL OF THAT IS OUT THERE. IT IS BEING REFLECTED. YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE IT NECESSARILY IN A MAP THAT YOU MIGHT LOOK AT TODAY, ALTHOUGH WE HAVE TRIED TO KEEP THE ONLINE GIS PORTAL UP TO DATE, UM, WITH ADDING A NEW LAYER EACH TIME TO SHOW THAT EVOLUTION. BUT ALL OF THAT IS GOING TO GO INTO THE PREFERRED LAND USE MAP. SO AS THE MAYOR MENTIONED, WE'VE BROKEN THINGS DOWN REALLY INTO THREE SEGMENTS, IF YOU WILL. UM, SO WE'RE STARTING WITH DISCUSSION ABOUT THE NODES AND THE CENTERS, UM, AND SPECIFICALLY THE FIVE THAT ARE LISTED HERE. MANY OF THE OTHER ONES HAVE ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED AS PART OF A LARGER AREA OF CHANGE, UM, OR SOME, SOME OTHER WAY. THESE ARE THE FIVE THAT REALLY WE HAVEN'T TOUCHED ON YET. SO THEY'RE THE FIVE THAT WE WILL FOCUS ON. THE SECOND SEGMENT IS GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THE LAND USE DESIGNATION STANDARDS, WHICH IS, I, IT WAS, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE ATTACHMENT, BUT IT WAS AN ATTACHMENT TO THE STAFF REPORT. UM, IT IS THE, THE SPREADSHEET THAT TALKS ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT LAND USE DESIGNATIONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND SOME BASIC STANDARDS FOR EACH OF THOSE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS. SO WE WILL SPEND SOME TIME ON THAT. AND THEN THE FINAL SEGMENT IS REALLY A FOLLOW UP ON THE RIVER PARK AREA OF CHANGE. THIS IS AN, UH, AREA THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE, UM, CONSENSUS ABOUT AMONG THE COUNCIL AT THE LAST MEETING, AND THERE HAS ALSO BEEN SOME CHANGES IN THAT, UM, THAT EFFORT WITH, UM, THE FOUNDATION. SO WE WANNA CIRCLE BACK AND CONFIRM, UM, THE RIGHT APPROACH TO THAT. SO AFTER, FOR EACH OF THESE THREE SEGMENTS, WE'RE GONNA GIVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION, THEN THE MAYOR IS GONNA OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN BRING IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION, ANY INPUT WITH THE GPAC THAT THE COUNCIL, UM, MAY LIKE. AND THEN STRAW POLL, UM, ON ANY OF THE FEEDBACK AS NECESSARY JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE WITH WHAT THE MAJORITY COUNCIL'S FEEDBACK IS. SO THAT'S A RUN OF SHOW FOR HOW WE SEE THIS MEETING RUNNING THIS EVENING. GENERAL PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE, I ALREADY SAID MUCH OF THIS, BUT GENERAL PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE WAS APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. THEY HAVE BEEN REALLY A, AN AMAZING GROUP OF VOLUNTEERS, VERY COMMITTED TO, UM, THIS PROCESS AND HAVE BEEN AN INCREDIBLE ASSET, UM, TO THIS PROCESS. SO FROM, UM, DIGGING IN LIKE THE LAND USE DESIGNATION STANDARDS TABLE, THE GPAC DID A DEEP DIVE. THEY REALLY GOT INTO EACH OF THOSE STANDARDS AND DISCUSSED AND MANIPULATED AND REFINED. AND SO WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS, UM, THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL. ALSO, WHEN WE GOT, UM, DIFFERING PUBLIC COMMENT, HELPING TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS THE RIGHT, RIGHT APPROACH. SO, UM, VERY THANKFUL FOR THAT SUPPORT AND VERY THANKFUL FOR THE MEMBERS THAT ARE HERE TONIGHT. AND AGAIN, ENCOURAGE THE COUNCIL TO UTILIZE THAT, UM, AS YOU MAY SEE FIT. AND THEN FINALLY, IT'S IN DETAIL IN THE STAFF REPORT, BUT, UM, WE ARE CONTINUING TO TALK WITH PROPERTY OWNERS. UM, A MAILER WENT OUT TO ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THE AREAS OF CHANGE BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE AREAS THAT REALLY THE CHANGE IS BEING FOCUSED ON LOTS OF RESOURCES TO MEET WITH US, CALL US, UH, YOU KNOW, GET MORE INFORMATION FROM US, INFORMATION ON THE WEBSITE. SO WE HAVE BEEN HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO OUTREACH, UM, AS THIS PROCESS, UM, CONTINUES TO EVOLVE SO THAT IT WILL GET MORE AND MORE SPECIFIC AS THE PREFERRED LAND USE MAP COMES OUT. AND AS WE KNOW, UM, MORE SPECIFICS ON EVERY SINGLE PARCEL AND WHAT CHANGES WILL MEAN, WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO, UM, ADDITIONAL OUTREACH. AND WITH THAT, I THINK I'M HANDING IT OVER TO RON TO KICK OFF OUR NODES AND CENTER DISCUSSION. [01:40:01] THANK YOU, HEATHER, AND GOOD EVENING COUNCIL MEMBERS. IT'S GOOD TO BE BACK WITH YOU AGAIN THIS EVENING. UM, AS HEATHER MENTIONED WITH US THIS EVENING IS ANOTHER PRINCIPAL FROM RAYMOND ASSOCIATES, SIMIN MALHOTRA. UM, SHE, UH, FOCUSES AND SPECIALIZES IN BOTH GENERAL PLAN UPDATES AND ZONING CODE UPDATES. AND SO SHE'S HERE TONIGHT TO SUPPORT YOUR DISCUSSIONS SPECIFICALLY OF THE LAND USE DESIGNATION STANDARDS. UM, BUT FIRST, AS BOTH THE MAYOR AND HEATHER MENTIONED, WE'RE GONNA, UM, PROVIDE A PRE BRIEF PRESENTA PRESENTATION ON THE FIVE AREAS OF CHANGE THAT WE HAVEN'T YET DISCUSSED IN DETAIL. UM, AND THEN, UM, AS BOTH THE MAYOR AND HEATHER ALSO MENTIONED, I'M GONNA PRESENT ON EACH FIVE AND THEN WE'LL STOP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN TACKLE EACH IN ORDER AS APPROPRIATE. BEFORE INTRODUCING THOSE FIVE CENTERS, I DID WANNA PROVIDE A SHORT REFRESHER ON SOME OTHER MOST RELATED LAND USE POLICIES, UM, IN ADDITION TO BEING AREAS OF CHANGE, EACH OF THESE FIVE CENTERS OR NODES THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING THIS EVENING ARE ALSO IDENTIFIED IN THE LAND USE POLICY FRAMEWORK AS, UH, 15 MINUTE ACTIVITY CENTERS. UM, AND THESE ARE THE FOCUS OF GOAL AREA, UH, SIX IN THE LAND USE POLICY FRAMEWORK. UM, EXCUSE ME, CHAPTER TWO, WHICH INCLUDES, UM, SIX GOAL AREAS AND GOAL AREAS. SIX SPECIFICALLY BEGINS IDENTIFYING SOME SPECIFIC CANDIDATES FOR 15 MINUTE ACTIVITY CENTERS. UM, THERE ARE MANY INCLUDED IN THAT LIST AND, AND THE FIVE AREAS WE'RE DISCUSSING THE E THIS EVENING ARE FIVE OF THOSE. AND I JUST WANNA REMIND YOU THAT, UM, AS PART OF GOAL SIX, FOCUSING ON THESE CENTERS AS A NUMBER OF POLICIES, I THINK, UH, FOCUS VERY MUCH ON ESTABLISHING THESE AS A CENTERS, CREATING OR ENHANCING THEM IN DIFFERENT WAYS, DEPENDING ON THEIR SIZE AND SCALE AND LOCATION, TAKING A PROACTIVE ROLE IN FACILITATING THEIR DEVELOPMENT OR REDEVELOPMENT AS MAY BE APPROPRIATE, UM, AT ALL LEVELS. SO THERE'S FOUR TYPES OF, UH, CENTERS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED, TOWN CENTERS, NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERS, MINI CENTERS, AND ACTIVATED PARKS. AND SO THERE'S STRATEGIES WITHIN THE DRAFT LAND USE POLICY FRAMEWORK ADDRESSING EACH OF THOSE. YOU'VE SEEN THIS MAP MANY TIMES BEFORE. UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SORRY. UM, THIS IS THE COMPLETE MAP OF ACTIVITY CENTERS, AND YOU'LL SEE THE FIVE THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING, UM, ON THAT MAP IN ADDITION TO MANY OTHERS, AS HEATHER MENTIONED EARLIER, SEVERAL OF THEM ARE ALSO PART OF THE AREAS OF CHANGE THAT YOU'VE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY. UM, AND THEN OTHERS ARE ALSO OUTSIDE OF AREAS CHANGE BECAUSE A LAND USE DESIGNATION CHANGE WAS NOT NECESSARY TO ADVANCE THEM AS, AS ACTIVITY CENTERS. SHOULD ALSO NOTE THAT FOUR OF THE FIVE SITES THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING THIS EVENING WERE ALSO IDENTIFIED THROUGH THE S STAT PROCESS, THE SUSTAINABLE DESIGN ASSESSMENT TEAM PROCESS, WHICH WAS A COMMUNITY DRIVEN PLANNING EFFORT THAT VERY MUCH FOCUSED ON HELPING PETALUMA EVOLVE INTO A 15 MINUTE CITY. OKAY, SO LET'S NOW TURN TO THE FIRST OF THE FIVE CENTERS FOR DISCUSSION THIS EVENING. IF YOU'RE FOLLOWING ALONG IN THE BRIEFING BOOK, UM, THIS, UH, BOWLING ALLEY AND VETERANS CENTER NOTE IS STARTS ON PAGE 61, AND I'M GONNA BE USING THE, UH, UH, EXCERPTS FROM THE BRIEFING BOOK, UM, TO, TO PROVIDE YOU A BRIEF OVERVIEW FOR EACH OF THESE CENTERS THIS EVENING. SO THIS AREA IS, UM, ON PETALUMA BOULEVARD SOUTH IN THE PROXIMITY OF MCNAIR. UM, IT'S ALSO IDENTIFIED, AS I NOTED IN THE LAND USE POLICY FRAMEWORK AS NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER NUMBER SEVEN. UH, WE REVIEWED SOME OF THE HISTORY AND, UM, THIS IDENTIFY THIS, THIS AREA WAS IDENTIFIED VERY EARLY ON IN THE PLANNING PROCESS WHEN WE INVITED PEOPLE TO GIVE US INPUT ON WHERE THEY THOUGHT THERE WAS OPPORTUNITY FOR CHANGE. AND THIS WAS ONE OF THE SITES THAT FOLK PEOPLE IDENTIFIED ON A MAP. THE GPAC IN TURN BEGAN DISCUSSING ITS POTENTIAL DURING ITS INITIAL DISCUSSIONS OF AREAS OF CHANGE IN 2023. AND THEN DURING THE FINAL DISCUSSION OF AREAS OF CHANGE, UH, MOST RECENTLY IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR, UM, THEY SUGGESTED INCLUDING THE ADJACENT, UH, PARCEL THAT'S CURRENTLY MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS ORANGE ON THE MAP YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU, UM, BECAUSE SEVERAL MEMBERS HAD PROFESSIONAL KNOWLEDGE OF THAT SITE AND THOUGHT THAT IT ALSO WAS, UH, WAS AN OPPORTUNE SITE FOR, UH, SOME INCREASED, UH, MIX OF USE AND DENSITY. AND SO YOU'LL SEE THAT REFLECTED IN TONIGHT'S RECOMMENDATION AS WELL. UM, AND IN MANY WAYS PEOPLE SEE THIS AS A NO, THAT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO COMPLIMENT BOTH, UH, DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT ALONG THE CORRIDOR, AS WELL AS THAT PART OF THE BOULEVARD SERVING AS A GATEWAY TO THE CITY. THE CURRENT DESIGNATIONS, UM, [01:45:01] AS YOU SEE ON THAT PREVIOUS SLIDE, ARE A MIX OF RMD, UH, UH, PUBLIC USE FOR THE VETERAN CENTER AND THEN NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL FOR THE BOWLING ALLEY SITE. THE INTENT OF THE ALTERNATIVES THAT WERE PRESENTED TO THE COMMUNITY LAST SUMMER FOR INPUT, UM, WAS TO GET THEIR FEEDBACK ON HOW INTENSE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IN THESE AREAS MIGHT BE. AND SO THEY WERE PRESENTED THREE WITH KIND OF A LOW, MEDIUM, HIGH DENSITY OPTION. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THE COMMUNITY LEANED TOWARDS THE LOW TO MEDIUM INTENSITY, AND THEN THE GPAC IN TURN, UH, DURING ITS LATEST AND MOST RECENT DISCUSSION. AND EARLY THIS YEAR, UH, UNANIMOUSLY, UNANIMOUSLY SUPPORTED THE, UH, RECOMMENDATION, UH, SIMILAR TO ALTERNATIVE TWO, WHICH IS A STEP DOWN MIXED USE OF DESIGNATION FOR THE PARCELS IN THIS AREA. AND YOU'LL SEE THAT REFLECTED ON THE NEXT SLIDE. UM, AND THIS WOULD ALLOW, ALLOW A SLIGHT INCREASE IN INTENSITY, UM, AND AT A MIX OF USES TO ALIGN WITH THE EXISTING NON-RESIDENTIAL IN THE AREA, BUT WITH A STEP DOWN TRANSITION TO THE NEIGHBORING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. AND SO, AS A REMINDER, THE STEP DOWN MIXED USE DESIGNATION ALLOWS 20 TO 45 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, 2.5 FAR, FOUR STORIES AT THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT, STEPPING DOWN TO THREE ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, AND HAS NO ACTIVE GROUND FLOOR REQUIREMENT. UM, AND THEN JUST ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT, UM, IN NEARLY ALL CASES, THESE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS THAT WERE CHANGE DESIGNATIONS WERE IN CHANGE IN DESIGNATION THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING, ARE ALSO COMPLIMENTED BY A NUMBER OF LAND USE POLICIES AS WELL AS POLICIES AND OTHER ELEMENTS OF THE GENERAL PLAN. IN THIS CASE, THERE ARE POLICIES THAT SPEAK TO IMPROVING CORRIDORS, STREET SCAPES AND CITY GATEWAYS, WHICH CERTAIN WOULD CERTAINLY APPLY IN THIS AREA AS WELL. ALSO IMPLEMENTING THE, UH, ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN WITH A FOCUS ON EXPANDING TRANSIT SERVICE IN THIS AREA AND ALSO PRESERVING TREES. UM, IF YOU LOOK AT AN AERIAL OF THE SITE THAT'S CURRENTLY DESIGNATED MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, THERE'S QUITE A NUMBER OF TREES ON THAT SITE. AND SO AS PART OF THE GPAC DISCUSSION, THEY NOTED THAT IT'D BE IMPORTANT TO DEVELOP THAT SITE IN A MANNER THAT PRESERVED THE TREES TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE. AND SO THAT'D BE AN IMPORTANT COMPLIMENTARY POLICY IN THIS CASE. MOVING ON TO WESTERN AND BAKER, AND WE'RE NOT FAR FROM THIS SITE, UM, JUST CATTYCORNER ACROSS THAT WAY. UM, AND IF YOU'RE FOLLOWING ALONG ON THE BRIEFING BOOK, THIS IS PAGE 81, AGAIN, LIKE THE BOWLING ALLEY AND VETERANS AREA, A CENTER SITE AREA. THIS ALSO WAS IDENTIFIED BY THE COMMUNITY EARLY ON AS A SITE FOR POTENTIAL, UM, CHANGE ALSO WAS IDENTIFIED THROUGH THE S STAT PROCESS AS A POTENTIAL 15 MINUTE NODE WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. INTERESTINGLY, THE RE RETAIL CONSULTANT AS PART OF THE CONSULTANT TEAM ALSO IDENTIFIED THIS SITE, UM, AS AN OPPORTUNITY IDENTIFIED FOR THE SITE OPPORTUNITIES TO BUILD ON THE EXISTING CREAMERY AND MIXED USE FRONTAGES AS A KIND OF UNIQUELY SITUATED, UH, POTENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER. UM, AND THEN ALSO AS PART OF THAT, THE POTENTIAL FOR A VERTICAL MIX OF USE. DURING LAST SUMMER'S ENGAGEMENT, THE COMMUNITY WAS PRESENTED WITH TWO ALTERNATIVES OF MIXED USE INTENSITY. AGAIN, KIND OF A SMALLER AND A MEDIUM VERSION OF THAT. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. COMMUNITY INPUT POINTED TOWARDS THE LOWER INTENSITY OPTION WITH A THREE STORY MAXIMUM HEIGHT. UM, THE GPAC FELT STRONGLY THAT THERE SHOULD BE NO IMMEDIATE CHANGE INTERESTINGLY, BUT ONCE THE PROPERTY OWNER WAS READY TO TRANSITION AWAY FROM EXISTING INDUSTRIAL USES, THE SITE SHOULD BE PROVIDED MAXIMUM REDEVELOPMENT FLEXIBILITY, WHICH THEN RESULTED IN OUR RECOMMENDATION, WHICH IS TO NOT CHANGE THE LAND USE DESIGNATION AT THIS POINT, BUT IDENTIFY, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER MIXED USE DESIGNATION AS AN APPROPRIATE DESIGNATION IF AND WHEN THE LANDOWNER THINKS IT'S APPROPRIATE AND READY TO, UH, RECONSIDER USES ON THAT SITE. THAT NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER MIXED USE DESIGNATION WOULD ALLOW UP TO THREE STORIES CONSISTENT WITH THE CURRENT HEIGHT AND WITH COMMUNITY INPUT, 15 TO 30 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE AND WOULD REQUIRE ACTIVE GROUND FLOOR, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH CREATING THAT, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER SENSE OF FEEL AND ACCESSIBILITY. UM, OTHER POLICIES THAT ARE IN DRAFT FORM THAT WOULD COMPLIMENT THIS CHANGE INCLUDE HISTORIC RESOURCE PRESERVATION AND THE ADAPTIVE REUSE OF, UM, OF SITES THAT HISTORICALLY HAD A DIFFERENT USE AND NOW COULD BE CONSIDERED FOR A COMPLIMENTARY DIFFERENT [01:50:01] USE, CHANGED USE. MOVING ON TO CASA GRANDE, AND THIS IS THE VACANT SITE ADJACENT TO THE HIGH SCHOOL. IF YOU'RE FOLLOWING ALONG THE BRIEFING BOOK. THIS IS PAGE 87. UM, THIS ALSO WAS IDENTIFIED EARLY ON AS A SITE FOR POTENTIAL CHANGE, ALSO IDENTIFIED BY THE, UH, THROUGH THE SAP PROCESS AS A POTENTIAL 15 MINUTE NODE. UM, AND ALSO INTERESTINGLY IS INCLUDED AS A SITE WITHIN THE HOUSING ELEMENT. THE GPAC FLAGGED IT EARLY ON, UH, ALONG WITH SITES OF POTENTIAL FOR CHANGE WHEN THEY BEGAN CONSIDERING AREAS OF CHANGE. AND THE RETAIL CONSULTANT ALSO THINKS THIS LOCATION COULD SUPPORT LIVE WORK TYPE, UM, PROJECTS, AND SO SEES POTENTIAL FOR A A, A CONVERSION IN USE AS WELL. THE CURRENT DESIGNATION IS MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, AND THE OPTIONS WE PRESENTED TO THE PUBLIC WERE A REALLY KIND OF A MIX OF DIFFERENT POTENTIAL, UM, HEIGHTS, UM, MIXES OF USE AND LOCATIONS OF THOSE DIFFERENT TYPES OF USE ON THE SITE. AND THE MOST SUPPORT WAS FOR A LOWER TO MEDIUM LEVEL OF INTENSITY. UM, AND IN AND REDISCUSSING THIS WITH THE GPAC IN EARLY 2025, THEY AGREED WITH, UH, UPDATED, UM, LOWER INTENSITY RECOMMENDATION, WHICH YOU SEE REFLECTED ON THE NEXT SLIDE. AND THIS IS FOR APPLYING THE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER MIXED USE THE SAME DESIGNATION IS THAT THE CREAMERY IN THE FUTURE, UM, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CURRENT, UH, MEDIUM RESI, UH, MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DESIGNATION, BUT ALLOWING A MIX OF USE, GREATER FLEXIBILITY FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER. AGAIN, THREE STORIES, 15 TO 30 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE AND AN ACTIVE GROUND FLOOR. UM, POLICIES, UM, ELSEWHERE THAT WOULD COMPLEMENT THIS CHANGE INCLUDE IMPLEMENTING THE A TP AND IN THIS CASE WITH A FOCUS ON SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL AND CREATING A VERY LOW STRESS WALKING AND BIKING NETWORK IN CLOSE PROXIMITY. OUR FOURTH CENTER OR NODE IS THE LEGHORN MARKETPLACE. UH, IN THE BRIEFING BOOK, THIS IS ON PAGE 93. UM, THIS IS THE EXISTING SHOPPING CENTER WITH SAFEWAY AS THE ANCHOR ADJACENT TO A LARGE PARK. AND IN, UH, PROXIMITY TO THE JUNIOR COLLEGE, ALSO IDENTIFIED BY, UH, THROUGH THE S STAT PROCESS AS A POTENTIAL 15 MINUTE, UH, N NODE. THE RETAIL CONSULTANT AGAIN ALSO SAYS, UH, HOWEVER, SAYS DEMAND MAY BE LIMITED. UM, AND SO THE THE REDEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL IS, IS MORE UNKNOWN ON THIS SITE. UM, BUT IF IT WERE TO BECOME A GREATER IN, UH, BE REDEVELOPED TO INCLUDE A GREATER MIX OF USE AND DIVERSITY OF USES, IT COULD COMPLEMENT AND, AND BEGIN TO EVOLVE AS AN EXISTING GATHERING SITE TO COMPLEMENT THE NA THE ADJACENT USES. UM, AND COULD CERTAINLY SUPPORT THE JUNIOR COLLEGE, UH, AS WELL. THE CURRENT DESIGNATION IS FOR, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL. THE COMMUNITY'S INPUT WAS INVITED ON LOWER AND HIGHER INTENSITY MIXED USE OPTIONS, AND THEIR FEEDBACK, UM, WAS SPLIT LOTS OF SUPPORT FOR, UM, INTENSIFYING AND DIVERSIFYING THE MIX OF USE. UM, MORE SO FOR THE LOWER OPTION. UM, THE GP RECOMMENDATION WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMUNITIES, UM, AND IT, IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE STEP DOWN MIXED USE THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING, WHICH ALLOWS A RELATIVELY LOWER INTENSITY, 20 TO 45 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, 2.5 FAR, UP TO FOUR STORIES, BUT AGAIN, WITH A STEP DOWN ADJACENT TO, UM, LOWER INTENSITY USES. UM, AND BECAUSE IT'S AN EXISTING SHOPPING CENTER, THAT WOULD NOT REQUIRE, UH, THE ACTIVE GROUND FLOOR REQUIREMENT IN THE SDMU RELATED POLICIES ELSEWHERE INCLUDE PROACTIVE OUTREACH TO PROPERTY OWNERS TO FACILITATE REDEVELOPMENT OF EXISTING SHOPPING CENTERS, AND AGAIN, IMPLEMENTING THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN WITH A FOCUS ON SAFE ROUTES AND THE LOW STRESS NETWORK. AND FINALLY, OUR FIFTH, UH, CENTER OR NODE FOR TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION. UH, AND THIS STARTS ON PAGE 74 OF THE BRIEFING BOOK, THE WASHINGTON SQUARE AND THE, THE PLAZA, UM, UH, CENTERS AT THE INTERSECTION OF MCDOWELL AND WASHINGTON BOULEVARD. UM, THESE ARE EXISTING SHOPPING CENTERS. UM, AND ALSO AT A LATER DATE, THE HEALTHY PETALUMA SITE WAS ADDED FURTHER DOWN MCDOWELL. UM, WASHINGTON SQUARE SPECIFICALLY WAS IDENTIFIED EARLY ON IN THE COMMUNITY PROCESS AS AN OPPORTUNITY SITE FOR CHANGE. STEAD ALSO IDENTIFIED IT AS A POTENTIAL 15 MINUTE NODE. IT'S ALSO INCLUDED IN THE HOUSING ELEMENT AS A HOUSING SITE. UM, AND THE RETAIL CONSULTANT IDENTIFIED IT AS FEASIBLE AND DESIRABLE FOR REDEVELOPMENT. AND THIS IS WASHINGTON SQUARE SPECIFICALLY. UM, CURRENT [01:55:01] DESIGNATIONS INCLUDE, UM, COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL ON THE LARGER SHOPPING CENTER SITES, AND, UH, UH, BUSINESS PARK ON THE HEALTHY PETALUMA SITE. COMMUNITY FEEDBACK WAS INVITED ON LOWER AND HIGHER INTENSITY OPTIONS. UH, COMMUNITY WAS NOT SUPPORTIVE OF ALLOWING UP TO FIVE STORIES ON THE WASHINGTON SQUARE SITE. SPECIFICALLY, I SHOULD KNOW THAT HIGHER INTENSITIES WERE MAPPED FOR INPUT ON THE WASHINGTON SQUARE SITE AND LOWER INTENSITIES INITIALLY ON THE PLAZA SITES. AND SO THEY WERE, THE, THE RESPONSE TO THE HIGHER INTENSITY ON THE WASHINGTON SQUARE SITE WAS, WAS NOT POSITIVE. UM, WHEN DISCUSSED WITH THE GPAC, UM, IN EARLY 2025, UM, EIGHT MEMBERS WERE IN SUPPORT OF THE, THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPLY, UH, ADJUSTMENTS TO THE STEP DOWN SETBACK REVISION, WHICH WE'LL SEE ON THE NEXT SLIDE. UM, AND THREE OTHERS WERE MORE SUPPORTIVE OF THE ORIGINAL HIGHER INTENSITY RECOMMENDATION. AND SO WHAT WE'VE COME TO YOU THIS EVENING WITH IS AN APPLICATION OF STEP DOWN MIXED USE AT WASHINGTON SQUARE AND ON THE SOUTH SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE, THE LARGER PLAZA SHOPPING CENTERS, AND THEN A HIGHER INTENSITY, UH, URBAN CORE MIXED USE ON PLAZA NORTH AND THE HEALTHY PETALUMA SITE. UM, SO AT THE STEP DOWN, MIXED USE, AS I'VE NOTED, IS A 20 TO 45 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, 2.5 FAR, AND UP TO FOUR STORIES WITH A THREE STORY STEP DOWN ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. AND THIS IS WHERE THE GPAC HELPED US REFINE WHERE THAT STEP DOWN SHOULD BE. AND THEN THE, UM, URBAN CORRIDOR MIXED USE WOULD BE 30 TO 75 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. A 3.5 FAR UP TO FIVE STORIES WITH A STEP DOWN TO FOUR THREE ARE CURRENTLY ALLOWED AND DOES REQUIRE A GROUND FLOOR ACTIVE, UH, UH, GROUND ACTIVE GROUND FOR USE. UM, AS NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT, UM, TO AVOID CONFLICTS WITH FESTED PROPERTY RIGHTS AND TO ENSURE MAXIMUM FLEXIBILITY TO FACILITATE REDEVELOPMENT OF LARGER SHOPPING CENTERS LIKE THIS ONE, THE TEAM IS RECOMMENDING THAT THE REQUIREMENT FOR HORIZONTAL MIXED USE ON LARGE SITES LIKE THESE OVER 2.5 ACRES WHERE THE URBAN CORRIDOR, UH, MIXED USE DESIGNATION IS APPLIED, BE MODIFIED TO ENCOURAGE, BUT NOT REQUIRE THE HORIZONTAL MIXED USE. UM, SO THE, SO WE DON'T INFRINGE ON VESTED PROPERTY RIGHTS, AS IS THE CASE IN THE PLAZA NORTH SITE. AGAIN, AS WITH THE OTHER, UM, CHANGE IN LAND USE DESIGNATION, UH, THIS IS COMPLIMENTED BY A NUMBER OF POLICIES, UH, ELSEWHERE IN THE DRAFT GENERAL PLAN, INCLUDING PROACTIVE OUTREACH TO PROPERTY OWNERS TO FACILITATE REDEVELOPMENT IMPROVEMENTS TO CORRIDORS, STREETSCAPES, AND CITY GATEWAYS, AND IMPLEMENTING THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN. BY WAY OF SUMMARY, JUST WANT TO QUICKLY NOTE, UM, THAT NONE OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE REALLY A RADICAL DEPARTURE FROM THE EXISTING GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATIONS, IN MOST CASES, UP TO MAYBE ONE ADDITIONAL, UH, STORY IN HEIGHT BEING PERMITTED, BUT IN MANY CASES, A, A HEIGHT, UH, A MAXIMUM HEIGHT BEING CONSISTENT WITH THE CURRENT DESIGNATION. TWO OF THE SITES ARE HOUSING ELEMENT SITES, AND SO THE CITIES ALREADY IDENTIFYING THEM, IDENTIFY THEM AS SITES WHERE'D LIKE TO SEE GREATER, UM, MORE, MORE DENSE AND INTENSE HOUSING. UM, ALL OF THESE OPTIONS WOULD INCREASE FLEXIBILITY FOR THE LANDOWNERS FOR DEVELOPMENT OR REDEVELOPMENT, AND ALL ARE CONSISTENT WITH A NUMBER OF RECOMMENDATIONS WE RECEIVE FROM THE COMMUNITY, INCLUDING THE S STAT, THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK, UM, UH, LAST SUMMER THAT WAS CONDUCTED EXTENSIVELY AND WITH THE GPAC RECOMMENDATIONS. SO WITH THAT, WE'LL TURN IT BACK TO YOU, MAYOR. WONDERFUL, THANK YOU. I KNOW COUNCIL HAS LOTS OF QUESTIONS, BUT, UM, UM, SINCE COUNCIL OFTEN PUTS QUESTIONS IN CONTEXT OF COMMENTS, I'M GONNA ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN AFTER WE DO A PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS. I'M GONNA JUMP FIRST TO PUBLIC COMMENT TONIGHT. AND, UM, I'D LIKE THE CLERK TO OPEN US UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS PARTICULAR ELEMENT. REMEMBERING THERE ARE THREE CHANCES TO WIN TONIGHT, BUT WE'RE GONNA TRY AND KEEP THE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOCUSED ON JUST THIS PIECE. AND I'M GONNA SAY THAT, UH, CHANTEL ROGERS WILL BE OUR FIRST, UH, UM, WE ACTUALLY HAD A FEW, WE ALSO RECEIVED THREE COMMENTS AHEAD OF THE MEETING, WHICH ARE POSTED ONLINE. WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. AM I MISSING ANY CARDS FOR THIS ELEMENT? NO. OKAY. CHANTEL [02:00:01] WOULD BE OUR FIRST SPEAKER, FOLLOWED BY DANIELLE NELSON. GREAT, THANK YOU. UM, I WAS JUST CURIOUS, IN THESE PRESENTATIONS, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING ABOUT REDEVELOPMENT IN INVOLVING, UM, UH, NECESSARY PARKING. SO LIKE, IF YOU PUT A BUNCH OF, UM, HOUSING IN THE CENTER, UM, WHERE THE KMART IS AND ALL OF THAT, HOW DOES THAT MESH WITH THE PARKING NECESSARY FOR THE COMMERCIAL THAT'S ALREADY THERE? OR, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST WONDERING IF THAT'S PART OF THE PLANNING, IF THERE, OR IS THAT A ZONING THING, X NUMBER OF SPOTS PER UNIT OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S IT GONNA LOOK LIKE, UM, WHEN WE GET ALL THAT TOGETHER? SO I'M JUST HOPING THERE'LL BE SOME CLARIFICATION ON THAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, DANIELLE NELSON TO BE FOLLOWED BY WARREN GRANITE. GOOD EVENING MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL CITY STAFF. MY NAME'S DANIELLE NELSON. I'M THE GENERAL MANAGER OF PETALUMA VILLAGE, PREMIUM OUTLETS OWNED BY SIMON PROPERTY GROUP. I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT SIMON HAS SUBMITTED A LETTER, UM, IN SUPPORT OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE MAKERSPACE DESIGNATION. AND I'D LIKE TO THANK OUR CITY MANAGER AND STAFF FOR THE IMMEDIATELY ENGAGING IN DISCUSSION WITH ME AND OUR SENIOR, UM, VICE PRESIDENT OF DEVELOPMENT OVER THE SHOPPING CENTER. I WANNA THANK YOU AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE CONTINUED, UH, COLLABORATION BETWEEN ALL DEPARTMENTS. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, WARREN, TO BE, UH, FOLLOWED BY ANITA PELLEGRINI. UM, MR. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO DEFER TO SECTION TWO, PLEASE. AH, OKAY. UH, NINA ZITO. THANK YOU. I SUPPOSE I SHOULD BE FEEL REASSURED THAT SO MUCH PLANNING HAS GONE INTO THIS AND SO MANY ACRONYMS AND SO MUCH GLIB REFERENCE TO EXTENSIVE COMMUNITY OUTREACH WAS DONE. I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW MUCH, WHEN AND BY WHOM, BECAUSE THIS, THIS MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY WAS NOT AWARE OF ALL THE GREAT OPPORTUNITIES YOU'VE, UH, SKETCHED OUT FROM MY NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, RIGHT AROUND HERE, NOT FAR. AND I'M GLAD YOU, UH, YOUR RETAIL CONSULTANTS HAVE IDENTIFIED, UH, PROMISE, BUT I DON'T SHARE YOUR OPTIMISM. IT'S NOISY. IT'S CROWDED. I DON'T WANNA LIVE LIKE THAT. THIS ISN'T THE TOWN I I MOVED INTO 25 YEARS AGO. AND, UH, YOU PLANNING EXPERTS MAY THINK THAT, UH, THAT'S HOW PETAL LEMONS WANNA LIVE, BUT I SAY, NOT ME, I'VE HAD ENOUGH. JUST LIKE SLOW IT DOWN. YOUR, YOUR PRIORITIES, YOUR, YOUR ACRONYMS, YOUR, YOUR NODES, WHAT THE NODE, YOU KNOW, KEEP YOUR, YOUR, YOUR THEORY. UH, BUT THE WAY OF LIFE HERE IS RAPIDLY CHANGING AND IT'S NOT FOR THE BETTER. SO I HAVE SOME IDEAS ABOUT WHERE YOU CAN PUT YOUR NODE. THANK YOU, DWAYNE BELLINGER. UH, YES, GOOD EVENING. I, I HOPE, UM, MY, UH, COMMENTS ARE AS A RESULT OF MY MIS MISUNDERSTANDING OF A, ONE OF THE COMMENTS MADE ABOUT THE, UH, LEGHORN NODE. AND I WANNA SAY THAT, UH, UH, THAT PROPERTY, UH, WAS DEVELOPED MANY YEARS AGO TO, UH, SERVE, UH, THE COMMERCIAL, UH, NEEDS OF THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD WANNA LIVE IN THAT AREA. UH, 300 HOMES, UH, UM, THE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE LOOKING FOR ABILITY TO HAVE A SHOPPING CENTER NEAR THEM AND, UH, AND BUY THEIR GROCERIES, WALK TO THE STORES AND, AND HAVE OTHER THINGS. I, UH, MAY HAVE, MAY HAVE HEARD THAT THERE POSSIBILITY OF DEVELOPING THAT ENTIRELY IS, IS, UH, HOUSING. UH, AND I THINK THESE PEOPLE WHO BOUGHT HOMES THERE 30 YEARS AGO ALL EXPECT TO CONTINUE TO BE SHOPPING CENTER WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE AND PUTTING HOUSING ABOVE PORTIONS OF IT WOULD BE EXCELLENT STUDENT HOUSING ABOVE. THERE'S PARK RIGHT THERE FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE. SO TWO OR THREE STORIES OF HOUSING ABOVE THE SHOPPING CENTER WOULD BE GREAT. BUT LET'S NOT, UH, LET'S NOT TAKE OUT THAT LOVELY WALKABLE NODE. THANK YOU. AND I SEE, UH, ONE RUSHING, UH, CONTESTANT TO COME TO THE, UH, COME RIGHT TO THE PODIUM THERE AND, AND, UH, TAKE IT AWAY. IT'S WAYNE. THANK YOU, UH, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL STAFF. UM, UH, TONIGHT I'VE, UM, WATCHED YOU GUYS, UM, OUTLINE ABOUT SIX DIFFERENT CONSTRUCTION PROPERTIES THAT YOU DECIDE TO WANNA REDEVELOP, BUT YET WE STILL CAN'T EVEN, UM, COME UP WITH, UH, ONE PUBLIC RESTROOM ANYWHERE. IT'S A 15 MINUTE CITY. UM, AM I GONNA HAVE TO TAKE THE BUS TO GO USE THE RESTROOM? UM, YOU GUYS NEED TO START. OKAY. UM, THE RESTROOM NOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT. I HEAR YOU. WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. WELL, THIS IS [02:05:01] ABOUT REDEVELOPMENT, ISN'T IT? AND THEN ABOUT A 15 MINUTE USE OF THIS, RIGHT, OF THE CITY RIGHT NOW, ISN'T THAT PART OF THE, THE, THIS, UH, REDEVELOPMENT, YOU'RE REQUESTING THAT ANY OF THESE PROJECTS HAVE PUBLIC RESTROOMS? YES. THANK YOU. DO THEY, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, THAT CLOSES PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ELEMENT TO THIS AND BRINGS IT UP TO THE QUESTIONS. ANY COMMENTS OF COUNCIL AND, AND STAFF WOULD LIKE TO WEIGH IN? UM, CAN I PLEASE MAYOR, UM, RESPOND TO A COUPLE THINGS? SO, UM, QUESTION ABOUT PARKING REGS. SO THE GENERAL PLAN SPECIFICALLY DOESN'T ESTABLISH ZONING REGULATIONS OR, UM, PARKING REGULATIONS. EXCUSE ME. THOSE WILL BE IN THE ZONING CODE. THERE ARE SOME POLICIES IN, UM, THE GENERAL PLAN ABOUT, UH, EX I BELIEVE IT'S, UM, ESTABLISHING MAXIMUMS, UNBUNDLING PARKING. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE IN THERE AS A POLICY. AND WITH THE ZONING CODE, THAT'S WHEN YOU WILL GET DOWN TO THE NITTY GRITTY OF HOW MANY PARKING SPACES MAY BE REQUIRED AS A MINIMUM OR ALLOWED TO A MAXIMUM. UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE IMPLEMENTATION IS WHEN WE WILL START TALKING ABOUT PARKING REGULATIONS. UM, THE COMMENT ABOUT LEGHORN, IT IS EXACTLY THAT. IT'S TO ALLOW GREATER FLEXIBILITY NOT TO REMOVE THE COMMERCIAL, BUT TO ALLOW REDEVELOPMENT, ADDITION OF HOUSING, NOT REMOVAL OF THE COMMERCIAL, TO CREATE THAT, UM, THAT CENTER, THAT 15 MINUTE ACTIVATED CENTER, POTENTIALLY WITH MORE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL TO SERVE. THAT, THAT, UM, AND WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REDEVELOPMENT, THE GENERAL PLAN IN AND OF ITSELF ISN'T GETTING TO A PROJECT LEVEL. SO IT'S NOT ACTUALLY ESTABLISHING REDEVELOPMENT PRO UM, PROJECTS. IT IS SETTING THE STAGE, IT'S SETTING THE BROAD CONTEXT OF WHAT DOES THE COMMUNITY WANT TO SEE IN TERMS OF THE TYPE OF USES, THE DENSITY, THE INTENSITY OF USE. SO I JUST KIND OF WANNA CLARIFY THAT AS WELL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, I, I GUESS JUST ONE BROAD COMMENT I KEEP HAVING TO BRING MYSELF BACK TO, UM, UH, THE GENERAL PLAN IS, IS, IS, UH, LIKE OUR VISION FOR THE FUTURE. AND, AND, AND, AND VISION IS ANOTHER WAY OF SAYING, UM, WHAT WE DON'T HAVE RIGHT TODAY, WHAT WOULD WE DO DIFFERENT TOMORROW? BUT IT'S NOT US WHO'S DOING IT NECESSARILY, IT'S IT'S DOORS WE'RE TRYING TO OPEN. SO IT'S TRICKY THAT, UH, HOW ALL THESE PARTS FIT TOGETHER. UM, I KNOW WE HAVE THE HOUSING ELEMENT OUT THERE WAS MENTIONED A COUPLE. THIS IS IN THE HOUSING ELEMENT AS AN OPPORTUNITY SITE. ALL THESE THINGS COMING TOGETHER, UM, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT, UM, IS VIABLE AT ANY POINT IN THE FUTURE. AND WE DON'T ACTUALLY EVEN KNOW WHY SOMETHING ISN'T VIABLE TODAY. YOU KNOW, WE DO A STUDY, BUT THEN AN ANOTHER PROJECT COMES UP AND IT, IT SEEMS TO WORK FOR THAT, UH, UH, ALTERNATE. SO IT, I THINK THE GENERAL PLAN AND, UM, AND THE ELEMENTS WE'RE WORKING ON NOW ARE ABOUT PROVIDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR THAT BIGGER GOAL, WHICH IN MY MIND IS, UH, HOUSING AND AFFORDABILITY HOUSING. SO, UM, IT, IT'S NATURAL THAT WE WOULDN'T FEEL THE SPECIFICS ARE GOOD ENOUGH AT THIS POINT. UM, AND, AND, UM, I I, I, I'M GONNA JUMP IN LEAD A LITTLE. UM, I AM CONCERNED THAT WITH ALL THE FOCUS ON HOUSING AND AFFORDABILITY OF HOUSING NOW AND THE OPPORTUNITY WE'RE CREATING, UM, THAT WE ARE CHASING SOME OF OUR COMMERCIAL AWAY OR ALLOWING THEM AN ESCAPE, SHALL WE SAY. UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT PROTECTS THE SAFE WAY IN THE LEGHORNS FROM TURNING INTO STRICTLY A HOUSING OPPORTUNITY? AND THAT WOULD BE, UH, THE SAME IN ANY SHOPPING CENTER. YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WOULD, WHAT WOULD KEEP COMMERCIAL IN OUR CITY AND NOT LET IT HAPPEN TO BE, TO GO ALL RESIDENTIAL ON ONE OF THESE THINGS IS, IS THAT A PROTECTED THING IN THE ZONING? UH, IT, IT IS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO IT IS PROTECTED IN A SENSE THAT IT'S AN EXISTING VIABLE, UM, USE. AND SO, UH, THE EXAMPLE OF LEGHORN, SAFEWAY, UH, THAT PROPERTY IS OWNED, I, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT IS OWNED BY THE SAFEWAY MARKET. UM, IT'LL CONTINUE. I MEAN, THEY'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF, UM, PROVIDING A LOCAL, UM, PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO SHOP, UM, AND HAVE THAT COMMERCIAL USE [02:10:01] SO LONG AS IT'S A VIABLE USE, UH, THERE WOULDN'T, THERE WOULD, IT'S A HIGH UN UNLIKELIHOOD THAT THERE'S AN INCENTIVE TO TURN THAT OVER. UM, USUALLY WHAT THE CATALYST TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT THERE IS NO ECONOMY HERE, THERE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THE DENSITY, WE DON'T HAVE THE POPULATION TO SUSTAIN A CERTAIN LEVEL OF COMMERCIAL. THAT'S WHEN WE START TO SEE SOME OF THE KMART DETERIORATION. KMART BEING AN EXAMPLE, RETAIL. I MEAN, THAT'S, IN OUR LIFETIME, IT'S CHANGED. THE FACE OF RETAIL HAS CHANGED THE WAY THAT THE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK EVERY DAY WITH OUR LOCAL BROKERS ON WHAT LOCAL BUSINESSES ARE LOOKING FOR, IT'S NOT THOSE BIG, BIG BOX RETAILERS ANYMORE. AND SO, UM, PART OF THIS VISION NOT ONLY IS TO ACCOMPLISH THE HOUSING GOALS THAT WE HAVE AS A COMMUNITY AND AS A COUNCIL, UH, BUT IT'S TO PROVIDE THAT BALANCE, PROVIDE THAT ECONOMIC SUSTAINABILITY AND VIABILITY FOR NOT JUST OUR EXISTING RETAILERS AND BUSINESSES, UH, BUT FUTURE BUSINESSES, UM, OVER THE COURSE OF THE 25 YEARS. THANK YOU. UM, KIND OF COROLLARY TO THAT, UM, UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU'VE DONE STAKEHOLDER OUTREACH FOR PROPERTY OWNER OUTREACH, AND, AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FIRST STEP, BUT, UM, BUT NEIGHBOR OUTREACH, UM, HAS TO OCCUR BEFORE A DECISION IS MADE. YOU KNOW, IT HAS TO BE A COMMUNITY, UH, THING. AND I KNOW WE'VE BEEN INTO THE COMMUNITY AND KIND OF BROACHED THIS CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY. UM, ONE CASE IN POINT I WANNA, UH, ASK ABOUT OPINION ABOUT, UH, UH, WE HAD A PROPOSAL NEXT TO THE BULL, NEXT TO THE VET CENTER FOR A HOUSING COMPLEX, AND IT WAS PRETTY DENSE, AND THE, THE NEIGHBORS OBJECTED TO IT, WHICH IS NOT UNTYPICAL. UM, AND IN OUR LAYOUT OF THAT SECTION, WE SHOW THE SAME PROPERTY COMING BACK AS RESIDENTIAL, SORT OF AGAIN, AND THE BOWLING ALLEY AS BEING THE COMMERCIAL. IF THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OWNER CAME IN AND SAID, I'D RATHER GO THE OTHER WAY AND TRY AND PUT IN SOME 15 MINUTE WALKING NEIGHBOR, DOES THE ZONING ALLOW THAT ONE TO BE THE COMMERCIAL SIDE? AND, AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS TO THE BOWLING ALLEY? UH, DO, DO THEY LOSE THEIR COMMERCIAL? DO WE ENCOURAGE THEM MORE INTO RESIDENTIAL? HOW DOES THAT ALL WORK WHEN SOMEBODY COMES TO PLANNING? WELL, MUCH OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS SOME LEVEL OF THE MIXED USE DESIGNATIONS. UM, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, THE BOWLING ALLEY VETS BUILDING AND THE, I THINK IT WAS CALLED THE VAR NA PROPERTY, UH, WHAT IS PROPOSED IS ALL TO BE STEPPED DOWN MIXED USE. SO THAT GIVES THE GREATEST FLEXIBILITY. SO THERE'S NOT ONE OF THOSE PARCELS. IT'S LIKE, THIS IS THE RESIDENTIAL AND YOU CAN ONLY DO RESIDENTIAL, AND THIS IS THE COMMERCIAL, AND YOU CAN ONLY DO RESIDENTIAL BY USING THOSE MIXED USE LAND USE DESIGNATION, IT PROVIDES GREATER FLEXIBILITY. SO THEY COULD BOTH INCORPORATE RESIDENTIAL, THEY CAN BOTH INCORPORATE COMMERCIAL, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT COMMUNITY. UM, SO IT, IT, IT AVOIDS THAT. AND THAT THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE GPAC, UM, SPENT A, A LOT OF ENERGY LOOKING AT IS WHAT PROVIDES THE GREATEST FLEXIBILITY SO THAT, UH, WE CAN SEE MOVEMENT IN THESE, IN THESE PARCELS THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED AS BEING A GREAT ASSET TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, TO THE COMMUNITY. AND HOW DO WE REMOVE THE BARRIERS. UM, SO MUCH OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT SO FAR ARE SOME, SOME TYPE OF THE MIXED USE DESIGNATION, WHICH PROVIDES THAT GREATEST FLEXIBILITY. CERTAINLY I THINK THAT SOUTH END OF TOWN HAS THE, ONE OF THE BEST POTENTIALS FOR 15 MINUTE CHANGE. AND I'LL JUST ADD, UM, THE, YOU HAD THE QUESTION ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS AT THE COUNTER. SO, UM, IF AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE THE MOST FLEXIBILITY HERE. THERE'S A RANGE OF ALLOWABLE USES. IF FOR WHATEVER REASON, A PROPERTY OWNER, UM, HAS A VISION TO DO SOMETHING AND REDEVELOP IT IN SOME WAY THAT THE GENERAL PLAN DOESN'T ALLOW IT TO, THEN IT WOULD NEED TO GO THROUGH A, UM, ENTITLE ENTITLEMENT PROCESS, LIKELY A GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT, UM, ZONING CODE. AND SO THERE IS A SEPARATE MORE PROJECT LEVEL, UM, PLANNING PROCESS THAT WOULD HAPPEN IF, IF THINGS CHANGED. RIGHT. OKAY. THANKS, COUNCILMAN. MEMBER SRI. UM, WELL I HAVE A, A, A FEW QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. UM, JUST TO FOLLOW UP WHAT THE MAYOR IS TALKING JUST FOR CLARITY ON, UH, AS AN EXAMPLE, UH, HAVING TAUGHT, UH, AT CASA GRANDE HIGH SCHOOL AND THE PROP FOR MANY YEARS, THE PROPERTY THERE AT ONE TIME, [02:15:01] UM, WAS UP FOR SALE, WAS IN PROCESS, AND WE'RE GONNA BUILD THREE STORY TOWNHOUSES ON THE SITE. DEAL FELL THROUGH BECAUSE THE PIPE WASN'T BIG ENOUGH FOR THE WATER TO GET TO THE SITE TO FEED EVERYBODY THERE. I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW PIPE IN THAT AREA. DO WE HAVE ENOUGH, FIRST OFF, DO WE HAVE ENOUGH WATER IN THAT AREA FOR, OR HIGHER DENSITY? SO TO YOUR POINT, THERE WAS A, A PREVIOUS, UM, ATTEMPT, SO WE HAVE AN IN CONVERSATION WITH THE, UH, SCHOOL DISTRICT. SO THIS IS PETA CITY SCHOOLS THAT OWNS THE PROPERTY. UM, THERE HASN'T BEEN THAT LEVEL OF, UM, ANALYSIS, UH, BUT WITH ANY PROPOSAL THAT ACTUALLY MAY COME TO FRUITION, THAT WOULD ALL HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED, UM, AT THE PROJECT LEVEL. AND SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE, I DON'T BELIEVE THE, UM, THE BOARD, UM, HAS WRITTEN ANYTHING, UM, IN FAVOR, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, UM, AND THEY'RE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROPOSAL. OKAY. JUST, UH, I JUST REMIND YOU OF WHAT THIS IS, WHAT HAPPENED 20 YEARS AGO, AND SOME YOU MAY NOT HAVE BEEN HERE, UH, WHEN THAT HAPPENED. SORRY, ONE OTHER QUICK POINT, UM, EARLIER HEATHER SHOWED A SLIDE OF THE ANALYSIS THAT WE'LL BE DOING ONCE WE'RE CLEAR ON THE LAND USE DESIGNATION, CHANGES THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO SEE. AND PART OF THAT WAS A UTILITIES ANALYSIS. SO WE WILL BE LOOKING IN PART AT THAT QUESTION IS, DOES THE CURRENT INFRASTRUCTURE SUPPORT LAND USE CHANGE AS ENVISIONED? AND IF NOT, WHAT TYPES OF IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE REQUIRED? RIGHT. I JUST THOUGHT I POINT OUT A, A PRIOR SITUATION, UM, THAT YOU MAY NOT HAVE BEEN AWARE OF. CAN, GOING BACK TO THE QUESTION, CAN I JUST ADD FOR YOU THERE, CORRECT ME. ALL DEVELOPMENT PAYS FOR ALL ITS OWN UTILITY UPGRADE. THE CITY WOULDN'T HAVE AN OBLIGATION. IT WOULD BE PART OF THEIR PRO FORMA CAN THEY AFFORD TO DEVELOP. AND I THINK IN THAT CASE WAS 15, 20 YEARS AGO, MAYBE TWICE THEY DEFAULTED THEIR DEPOSITS BACK TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND ORDER OF MAGNITUDE LIKE A MILLION DOLLARS. THEY DEFAULTED BACK THOSE DEVELOPERS. SO WE WERE TOLD IT WAS THE PIPE WASN'T BIG ENOUGH AND THE CITY WAS COULDN'T, COULD NOT MAKE IT ANY BIGGER. SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE STORY WE GOT ANYWAY. JUST THOUGHT I'D REPORT THAT FIRST. UM, BUT I WANNA GO BACK TO THE QUESTION OF OF UM, THE MIXED USE AND THE, THE TERMINOLOGY MIXED USE. WHAT IS REQUIRED AND, AND ARE WE PREVENTING ANYTHING? BECAUSE I WOULD THINK THAT BEING THE SITE WAS ORIGINALLY GONNA BE FULLY RESIDENTIAL TOWNHOUSES. COULD SOMEONE COME BACK IN, THE ORIGINAL PERSON THAT MADE THE FIRST OFFER COME BACK IN AND SAYS, OH, I WANT TO DEVELOP THAT ORIGINAL PLAN. IT'S GONNA BE THREE, FOUR STORY TOWNHOUSES AND THE LIKE. UM, EVEN THOUGH IT'S MIXED USE NOW AND A COMMUNITY CENTERED DESIGNATION AND A NODE DESIGNATION, WOULD WE COOPERATE WITH THAT AND SAY, OH, OKAY, WELL LOOK AT THAT. OR ARE WE GONNA REQUIRE, IT HAS TO BE MIXED USE, IT HAS TO BE A COMMUNITY CENTER, A NODE THAT PROVIDES, OTHER THAN RESIDENTIAL, HOW ARE WE GONNA RESPOND? UM, THE PARTICULAR DESIGNATION PROPOSED FOR THIS SITE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER MIXED USE ALLOWS REALLY ANY MIX OF USE. EITHER ALL RESIDENTIAL, ALL COMMERCIAL, OR A MIX OF ALL OF THE ABOVE. AND IN TERMS OF THE TYPES OF RESIDENTIAL, UH, IT WOULD ALLOW ALL RESIDENTIAL WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SINGLE FAMILY. OKAY. 'CAUSE, 'CAUSE UH, I THINK JUST THE, SOMEONE THAT WANTS TO DEVELOP THAT PROPERTY, WE'RE STILL GONNA ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN FULLY RESIDENTIAL. IF SOMEONE MAKES THAT AS THE PROPOSAL, YES, THAT'S STILL ACCEPTABLE. YES. I WANNA MAKE THAT CLEAR. AND COUNCIL MEMBERSHIP THAT'S ON THE LAND USE DESIGNATION STANDARDS TABLE. THAT'S WHY. UM, AND THIS IS ANOTHER THING THAT THE GPAC SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME ON, WAS BEING REALLY CLEAR IN WHICH OF THESE MIXED USE DESIGNATIONS CAN YOU HAVE STANDALONE RESIDENTIAL? CAN YOU HAVE STANDALONE COMMERCIAL? IS MIXED USE REQUIRED, UM, TO JUST GET REALLY, TO LIKE, TAKE THAT SPECIFICITY? 'CAUSE THAT'S ANOTHER THING, UM, THAT, UM, THE CERTAINTY, UM, HELPS WITH FACILITATING HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, UH, WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE CERTAINTY. AND SO IT'S TAKING SOME OF, UM, THE LACK OF CERTAINTY THAT WE HEARD FEEDBACK ON FROM OUR EXISTING GENERAL PLAN AND THE DEFINITION OF MIXED USE AND TRYING TO PUT MORE CERTAINTY ALONG WITH IT. SO THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE THOSE ADDITIONAL STANDARDS IN THAT, IN THAT LAND USE STANDARDS TABLE. GOOD. UM, 'CAUSE SOME OF THE VOCABULARY, UM, GETS A LITTLE CONFUSING WHEN YOU SAY STANDALONE HOUSING AND, BUT ALSO STANDALONE. OKAY. A BUILDING OF HOUSING AND A BUILDING OF COMMERCIAL. BUT BOTH ARE BEING REQUIRED AS MIXED USE IF YOU'RE REQUIRING, BUT NO, YOU CAN HAVE ALL HOUSING. YOU CAN HAVE ALL BUSINESS. IT'S OPTIONAL. CORRECT. [02:20:01] AND IT DEPENDS ON WHICH LAND USE DESIGNATION. SO THAT MIGHT NOT BE THE CASE IN THE DOWNTOWN CORE WHERE WE DO WANT THAT GROUND FLOOR ACTIVATION. UM, SO THERE, IT, IT DIFFERENTIATES BY LAND USE DESIGNATION, MIXED USE LAND USE DESIGNATION. BUT YES, IF IT SAYS STANDALONE RESIDENTIAL IS ALLOWED, THAT MEANS YOU COULD JUST DO RESIDENTIAL A A APARTMENT BUILDING. OKAY, GOOD. I JUST WANTED TO GET CLEAR ON THAT 'CAUSE I WAS A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED UP TO THIS POINT ON THAT PARTICULAR POINT. OKAY. THEN GOING BACK TO THE, UM, UM, UH, WESTERN AND BAKER AND, UH, WE'VE GOT A, A STRUCTURE, WE HAVE APPARENTLY SOME, UH, FAIRLY NEW OWNERS THAT TOOK OVER RUNNING THE, THE CREAMERY ON THOSE SITES. UM, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE, UH, BARONS AND HUNTS THAT ARE NEARBY, UH, THAT HAVE SAID, OH, WE MAY WANT TO CHANGE. HAVE WE TALKED TO THE OWNERS OF BOTH, UM, ABOUT THE OPTIONS OF WHAT THIS MIGHT MEAN? UM, AND IF WE CAN REUSE OR RESTRUCTURE THE CURRENT BUILDINGS ON EITHER OF THOSE SITES AND WHICH ONE WOULD ACTUALLY BE BETTER, UM, PRACTICALLY, UM, THE CREAMERY SITE OR HUNTING BEAR'S AT THIS POINT IN TIME, TURNING IT INTO A COMMUNITY CENTER OR NODE? I I MEAN, I'M, I DON'T THINK I'M GONNA BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT. WHAT, WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO LOOK AT THESE, UM, AND THIS IS ANOTHER THING THAT HAS BEEN VERY IMPORTANT IN THE COMMUNITY, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE FACILITATING OUR AGRICULTURAL SUPPORT BUSINESSES. THAT WE'RE NOT MAKING LAND USE CHANGES THAT MAKES THEM NON-CONFORMING, MAKES IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO KEEP, UM, KEEP OPERATING. UM, BUT ALSO RECOGNIZING, UM, THAT TIMES CHANGE AND WHEN TIMES CHANGES AND IF THE MARKET SHOULD DICTATE THAT IT'S NOT A VIABLE BUSINESS ANYMORE. UM, THAT, THAT PROPERTY OWNER HAVING SOME OPTIONS. UM, SO BOTH THE HUNT AND, UM, HUNT AND BARONS, I BELIEVE THE DAIRYMAN'S AND THE CREAMERY ARE NOT PROPOSED AS PART OF THIS GENERAL PLAN FOR A LAND USE CHANGE. HOWEVER, THERE'S POLICY LANGUAGE TO SAY IF WHEN THIS IS NO LONGER A VIABLE USE, HERE ARE SOME, YOU KNOW, IDEAS ON, UM, THINGS THAT IT COULD CHANGE TO, WHETHER IT'S A MIXED USE DESIGNATION, A FLEX DESIGNATION. RIGHT. SO WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS, SO NOT ONLY THE WESTERN AND BAKER SITE, WHICH IS I THINK THE, MOSTLY THE CREAMERY THERE. UM, BUT ALSO THESE OTHER SITES THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED HAVE E EQUALITY IN EQUITY THAT THEY COULD ALSO TURN INTO THAT SHOULD THEY CHOSE AT SOME POINT IN TIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE. SO WE'RE NOT FAVORING ONE OVER THE OTHER THAT ALL THREE SITES MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE AND IT'S UP TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO DO SO. BUT ALL THREE OF THOSE ARE CLOSE ENOUGH TO EACH OTHER. EACH OF THEM COULD BE A, A COMMUNITY NODE IS WHAT I'M SUGGESTING, SO THAT WE ARE, WE'RE NOT PINPOINTING ONE OUT OF THE OTHERS, OTHER COUPLE ONES THAT ARE THERE THEN ON, UM, IN WASHINGTON SQUARE AND VERSUS THE PLAZA NORTH, UM, YOU'VE, YOU'VE SAW HIGHLIGHTED THE THE WASHINGTON SQUARE FOR THE MIXED USE WHERE HOWEVER, UM, BECAUSE I LIVE IN THAT AREA, I GO BY ALL THE TIME AND I STARTED COUNTING UP PARKING SPACES OR ACTUAL SQUARE FOOT THAT'S AVAILABLE. AND RIGHT NOW AT WASHINGTON SQUARE IT'S PRETTY BUSY AND PRETTY MUCH PARKING, UH, PRETTY FULL ALL ALONG. THERE'S CARS PARKED ALMOST IN EVERY SINGLE AREA, PRETTY DENSELY ALL THE TIME. WHEREAS IN PLAZA NORTH I COUNTED OVER 300 PARKING SPACES IN A BLOCK, A SINGLE BLOCK OF 300 EMPTY PARKING SPACES. SO THAT SEEMS TO BE THE HIGHER PARTY I WOULD THINK FOR, FOR CHANGE, UM, IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA, RIGHT IN THE CENTER OF, OF THAT PLAZA. I THINK IT'S TWO PLAZAS THAT MAY BE TWO DIFFERENT OWNERS, BUT IT'S RIGHT IN THE CENTER THERE. THIS IS AN AREA, EVEN IF THE KMART, UH, GETS CHANGED AND, AND PARKING THERE, THERE'S STILL AT LEAST A BLOCK OF 200 RIGHT THERE IN THE CENTER. SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THAT MIGHT BE, UM, A MORE PRACTICAL SPOT TO WORK ON, UM, VERSUS WASHINGTON SQUARE, UH, OR AT LEAST KEEP THEM EQUAL. LIKE YOU HAD IT IN THE MAP, YOU HAD 'EM EQUAL. SO THAT'S ANOTHER SUGGESTION I WOULD THROW OUT. SO, UM, I I ACTUALLY THINK THAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS FOR PLAZA SOUTH AND WASHINGTON SQUARE TO BE THE STEP DOWN. UM, MIXED USE AND PLAZA NORTH TO BE THE URBAN CORRIDOR MIXED USE, WHICH IS A SLIGHTLY MORE INTENSE, HAS, UM, A SLIGHTLY HIGHER DENSITY. AND I BELIEVE A HIGHER, UM, STORIES ALLOWED, UM, GOES UP TO FIVE INSTEAD OF FOUR STEPPING DOWN TO THREE IN CERTAIN AREAS. AND [02:25:01] THE REASON THAT WAS DISCUSSED WAS, UH, FOR INSTANCE, PLAZA SOUTH IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, WHEREAS PLAZA NORTH IS NOT. AND SO THAT JUST, THAT LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, POTENTIAL INTENSITY, UM, AND AND INCREASE IN DENSITY WAS FOCUSED ON THE PLAZA NORTH. I WANNA REMIND THAT THESE CHANGES IN LAND USE DESIGNATION, IT DOESN'T FORCE IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S GONNA HAPPEN TOMORROW. WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE THOUGHT WERE GONNA HAPPEN IN OUR CURRENT GENERAL PLAN OR WE THOUGHT WAS GONNA HAPPEN IN OUR CENTRAL PETALUMA SPECIFIC PLAN. THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED. UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ALLOW SIX STORY BUILDINGS IN OUR CENTRAL PETALUMA SPECIFIC PLAN AND UNLIMITED DENSITY, BUT YET WE, THAT HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR OVER 20 YEARS NOW AND WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT. SO I WANNA JUST KIND OF LIKE, KEEP GOING BACK TO IT IS CREATING, CREATING OPPORTUNITY, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT CREATING A PROJECT. IT'S NOT MANDATING A REDEVELOPMENT OR GETTING TO THE PROJECT LEVEL. SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY ALL, ALL THREE OF THOSE SHOPPING CENTERS WERE LOOKED AT FOR A CHANGE TO MIXED USE FROM I THINK THEIR COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL OR C TWO ZONING AND COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL. SO GOING TO A MIXED USE. SO IF THEY ARE GOING TO REDEVELOP, HAVING THAT FLEXIBILITY TO REDEVELOP IN A PATTERN THAT IS MORE IN KEEPING WITH PETALUMA TODAY. OKAY. GOOD. THANK YOU. THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAD FOR THE MOMENT. GREAT. COUNCIL MEMBER QUINN. YEAH, THANK YOU. YOU TOUCHED ON ONE OF MY CURIOSITIES. UH, I WAS, UM, FOLLOWING THE DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, CREATING, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, THE GREATEST LEVEL OF FLEXIBILITY. AND I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT, UM, WITH THE WASHINGTON SQUARE, THE STEP DOWN MIXED USE WITH THE, YOU KNOW, ON ONE PART OF IT COMPARED, YOU KNOW, WITH THE URBAN CORRIDOR MIXED USE IN ANOTHER PART OF IT. AND, UM, I WAS CURIOUS IF THE STEP DOWN MIX USE THERE OFFERED MORE FLEXIBILITY. IT DIDN'T SEEM INTUITIVE THAT THAT WAS THE CASE, BUT I SEE NOW IN, IN, UH, LOOKING AT IT THAT THE DECISION THERE WAS PROBABLY, I'M, I'M, I'M SORT OF ASKING A QUESTION AND ANSWERING IT AT THE SAME TIME THAT IT WAS, BECAUSE IT'S ADJACENT TO HOUSING WHERE THE URBAN CORRIDOR MIXED USE SECTION ISN'T. AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY? YEAH, THAT WAS PART OF OUR THINKING IN, UH, SUGGESTING THE HIGHER INTENSITY DESIGNATION AT THE PLAZA NORTH AREAS. THERE'S, THERE'S NOT THE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL ACROSS THE WAY AS AK PARK AND THEN LEAVE TO THE NORTH AS A, IS THAT A NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH OR IT'S A SENIOR SENIOR HOUSING. OKAY. VINTAGE CHATO. I SHOULD NOTE THAT THAT DESIGNATION THOUGH, IT ALLOWS FIVE STORIES. IT DOES HAVE A STEP DOWN TO FOUR STORIES, UM, WHERE APPROPRIATE. SO THAT WOULD APPLY IN THAT CASE. YEAH. IF THE, UH, HOUSING WASN'T ADJACENT, DOES THE URBAN CORRIDOR OFFER MORE FLEXIBILITY OR IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE WITHIN THAT THAT WOULD BE MORE PROHIBITIVE? THE BULK OF THE FLEXIBILITY COMES WITH THE OPPORTUNITY FOR GREATER DENSITIES AND INTENSITIES PRIMARILY. GOT IT. SO IF IT, IF IT WERE URBAN CORRIDOR OR, AND SOMEONE WANTED TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT WAS MORE, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE STEP DOWN MIXED USE, IT'S A SMALLER FOOTPRINT OR A SMALLER SIZE BUILDING, IT WOULD BE ALLOWED. UM, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED, UH, UNDER THE URBAN CORRIDOR THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED UNDER STEP DOWN MIXED USE. AND IF MY RECOLLECTION IS CORRECT, I FEEL LIKE THE GPAC TALKED QUITE A BIT ABOUT THESE SITES AND THE RIGHT INTENSITY. I'M SEEING SOME, SOME NODDING, UM, SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT. JUST IN SOME WAYS IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO INCREASE THE ALLOWABLE DENSITY AND INTENSITY HOUSING, YOU KNOW, GREAT, GREAT LOCATION, UH, NEAR PARK, UH, EASY ACCESS TO THE 1 0 1 FOR, UM, COMMUTES THE FAIRGROUNDS AND EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON ON THE FAIRGROUNDS. SO IN SOME WAYS THERE WERE MEMBERS OF THE GPAC AND I DON'T, I FEEL VERY UNCOMFORTABLE SPEAKING FOR THEM, ESPECIALLY WITH MY BACK [02:30:01] TO THEM . UM, BUT UH, THAT THOUGHT MAYBE LIKE THE WHOLE THING SHOULD BE AN URBAN CORRIDOR. ALL THREE OF 'EM SHOULD BE URBAN CORRIDOR MIXED USE JUST TO ALLOW THAT GREATER YEAH, THAT'S KIND THAT GREATER, THAT'S KINDA WHERE I, THAT GREATER DENSITY. YEAH. SO YEAH, I, I THINK IT'S A GREAT SITE AND UM, YOU KNOW, I I, I'M GOOD WITH THE RECOMMENDATION. I WAS JUST KIND OF CURIOUS WHY WE WOULDN'T WANT TO GO IF THERE WAS AN AR ARGUMENT FOR, UH, NOT HAVING THE WHOLE THING BE URBAN CORRIDOR. UM, BUT, UH, BUT I, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE THINKING. MY, MY NEXT QUESTION WAS IN LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CASA GRANDE, UH, WHERE WE HAVE, UM, THE CURRENT RECOMMENDED APPROACH IS NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER MIXED USE, UM, AND THEN LEGHORNS, IT'S LEGHORN IS, UM, PARDON ME, UH, STEP DOWN MIXED USE, WHICH IS, UH, SLIGHTLY MORE DENSE. I AM JUST CURIOUS ABOUT WHY, UM, WE WOULDN'T THINK ABOUT THOSE TWO. IS THERE A REASON THAT WE WOULDN'T THINK ABOUT THOSE TWO PROPERTIES SORT OF IN THE SAME VEIN? I, I MEAN I, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, SOME RETAIL, SOME HOUSING ON BOTH SITES, AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHY WE MIGHT HAVE A LESS DENSE OR MAYBE A MORE RESTRICTIVE, UM, DESIGNATION FOR CASA. ANY, ANY THOUGHTS? DOES ANYBODY FROM THE GPAC WANNA, SORRY, BETWEEN THE WASHINGTON FALLS, LIKE ANY PSA ON THAT? UH, NO. UH, BETWEEN LEGHORNS? SO BETWEEN LEGHORN, SO LEGHORNS TODAY OR THE RECOMMENDED, UM, DESIGNATION FOR LEGHORNS IS STEP DOWN MIXED USE MM-HMM . AND THE RECOMMENDED, UH, DESIGNATION FOR CASA IS NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE, WHICH IS SLIGHTLY LESS DENSE. AND I THINK ABOUT THOSE TWO AREAS AS KINDA SIMILAR IN OPPORTUNITY. AND I'M JUST CURIOUS WHY WE WOULD THINK ABOUT THEM DIFFERENTLY FROM A LAND USE DESIGNATION. I, I THINK IT PROBABLY WAS A MIX OF SOME OF THE, UM, PUBLIC INPUT. UM, SO FOR INSTANCE, WHEN WE DID THE COMMUNITY DISCUSSION ABOUT CASA GRANDE, THERE WAS A PRETTY OVERWHELMING, UH, NEGATIVE TO THE, THE DENSER MM-HMM . UM, AND THERE WAS A DESIRED LAND USE TO SEE TWO TO FOUR STORIES AND NOT TALLER THAN THAT. UM, AND THEN WITH LEGHORN, I'M WONDERING IF IT WAS SIMILAR. YEAH, THERE WAS MORE SUPPORT AT LAKEHORN FOR UP TO FOUR STORIES. SO THE STEP DOWN SEEMED MORE APPROPRIATE IN THAT LOCATION. OKAY. MY, MY LAST QUESTION. SO I NOTICED ON, UM, YOU KNOW, ON NINETIES, PAGE 97, UH, IN RELATION TO LAKEHORN, UM, WITH THE STEP DOWN MIXED USE IN THE PICTURES, WE HAVE A, A TARGET SHOPPING CENTER SORT OF PICTURE AS AN ENVISIONED USE FOR THAT PROPERTY. UM, AND I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THAT'S INTENTIONAL OR LIKE, WOULD THAT WOULD STEP DOWN MIXED USE ALLOW FOR A SECOND RETAIL SHOPPING CENTER TO BE BUILT WITHOUT HAVING SOME RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT? I GUESS IT, IT ALLOWS FOR STANDALONE COMMERCIAL, STANDALONE RESIDENTIAL, BUT I, IS THAT, I MEAN, WOULD THAT BE REALISTIC THAT THAT KIND OF STORE WOULD GO IN THERE OR COULD POTENTIALLY GO IN THERE? SO I THINK A BETTER IMAGE HERE MAY HAVE, I THINK THE INTENT ISN'T ABOUT A TARGET FITTING THERE. I THINK THE INTENT, AND I I THINK IN HINDSIGHT TEAM, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IT WOULD'VE BEEN JUST AS EFFECTIVE IF NOT MORE EFFECTIVE JUST TO USE THE SAFEWAY, THE EXISTING SAFEWAY, JUST TO SHOW YOU THAT THAT'S A, A POTENTIAL USE. THIS ISN'T INVITING A SECOND, UM, TARGET. UM, YEAH. AND, AND INTO INTO TOWN. YEAH. AND AGAIN, I'M NOT THINKING THAT, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. AND I'M NOT TRYING TO SUGGEST [02:35:01] THAT IT WOULD BE OKAY TO BUILD A SAFEWAY AND NOT OKAY TO BUILD A TARGET MORE SO IF SAFEWAY CAME, UM, YOU KNOW, FIVE, 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD AND SAY, HEY, WE WANT TO TEAR THIS BUILDING DOWN AND BUILD A NEW SAFEWAY BECAUSE WE WANT TO BUILD A BETTER SAFEWAY, WOULD IT BE OKAY FOR THEM TO BUILD A SAFEWAY WITHOUT RESIDENTIAL ON TOP OR WOULD WE ASK THEM TO MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, SO, UM, STANDALONE COMMERCIAL IS ALLOWED MM-HMM . IN THE STEP DOWN MIXED USE. SO IT, IT COULD BE, AND ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS I BELIEVE WE DON'T HAVE MINIMUM HEIGHTS. WE HAVE MAXIMUM HEIGHTS, BUT NOT MINIMUM HEIGHTS. AND THAT WAS THAT, THAT WAS ALSO A VERY, UM, DELIBERATE DISCUSSION, UM, WITH THE GENERAL PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE BECAUSE THEY LIKE THE IDEA OF, OF THE CHANGES YOU CAN HAVE IN, IN DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME IN AND HAVE A FOUR STORY BLOCK, RIGHT? YEAH. YOU COULD HAVE SOME COMPONENT OF IT THAT IS A SMALLER ONE OR TWO STORY AND THEN MAYBE UP TO FOUR STORY, BUT IT ALLOWED MORE, UM, CREATIVITY, FLEXIBILITY, UM, VERSATILITY, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS KIND OF THE THEME THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. UM, SO THERE WOULD BE OTHER THINGS THAT WOULD COME INTO PLACE, UM, DEPENDING ON THE ZONING CODE. SO FOR INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, UH, CURRENTLY GENERAL RETAILER GROCERY STORE OVER, I THINK IT'S 25,000 SQUARE FEET REQUIRES A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. SO IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT THE CITY SAYS WE WANNA KEEP THAT KIND OF PROVISION IN OUR ZONING CODE, WHICH ALLOWS US TO KIND OF PAUSE AND LOOK AND AS THIS APPROPRIATE TO DO A LARGER, UM, RETAIL OR A LARGER GROCERY STORE. UM, THERE ALSO MAYBE, UM, POLICIES IN THE, IN THE GENERAL PLAN. SO MAYBE IT'S NOT THE DESIGNATION, BUT THERE'S, WHEN YOU GO THROUGH A PROJECT, YOU MIGHT SAY, OH, WELL, YOU KNOW, THE INTENT HERE WAS REALLY TO SEE THAT AS A NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER WITH MULTIPLE OPTIONS FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO WE'D REALLY LIKE TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO, ALRIGHT, MAYBE YOU WANNA DO A SAFEWAY, BUT WE'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE SOME OTHER SMALLER NEIGHBORHOOD SERVING COMMERCIAL OR COMMUNITY SPACES OR WHATEVER IT IS. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A PRETTY IN DEPTH PROCESS THAT HAPPENS WHEN SOMEBODY COMES IN AND LIKE ACTUALLY STARTS PUTTING PEN TO PAPER ON A, ON A, UM, PROJECT. AND YOUR LAND USE DESIGNATION IS ONE PIECE OF THAT, BUT IT'S NOT THE ONLY PIECE OF THAT. GOT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THE DETAIL. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLY. UM, I, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS, BUT, UM, THE, THE FIRST BEING, YOU KNOW, UH, PETALUMA CREAMERY AND THAT WAS A BUSINESS THAT TOOK A BIG HIT DURING COVI, UM, WAS DOING QUITE WELL AND SUCCESSFUL PRIOR TO THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN REBUILDING ITSELF EVER SINCE AND IS DOING EXPONENTIALLY WELL, AND I DON'T THINK WE'LL BE GOING ANYWHERE. UM, MY OTHER COMMENTS KIND OF BRANCH OFF OF WHAT THE MAYOR SAID EARLIER ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IDEA OF FLEXIBILITY AND INCREASING MORE HOUSING AND IN COMMERCIAL AREAS, AND THIS IS SOMETHING I'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, BUT, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T, UM, I'M NOT SURE I AGREE WITH THE WORD FLEXIBILITY. UM, I, I THINK WHEN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE INCENTIVIZING COMMERCIAL OWNERS TO TRY TO GO INTO MORE HOUSING, UM, ALSO KIND OF UNDER THE GUISE THAT THAT'S GONNA CREATE MORE, YOU KNOW, ECONOMIC PROSPERITY AND, AND I THINK, UM, WE OVERLOOK A GREAT ASSET THAT WE HAVE HERE AND THAT'S SIX 60,000 PEOPLE IN PETALUMA. AND I THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE A LOT MORE EMPHASIS UPON WHERE ARE THOSE 60,000 PEOPLE SHOPPING, AND IF IT'S NOT IN PETALUMA, WHY IS THAT? AND HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE MAKE THE BEST OF WHAT WE'VE GOT WHILE PROTECTING INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL SITES AND, AND HELPING THOSE GROW AND THRIVE. SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS FOR A MINUTE. THANK YOU VICE MAYOR. UM, THANK YOU FOR, UM, TO STAFF FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK AND THE GAC UM, MY FIRST, UM, QUESTION IS THE PLUMA BOULEVARD SOUTH. IT HAS, YOU HAVE THE VETERAN CENTER, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THE BOWLING ALLEY AND THEN ACRO, AND THAT'S ALL IN GOOD BECAUSE IT'S ACROSS THE STREET FROM, FROM NEW, UM, HOUSING, WHICH IS PEP AND THE, UM, FAMILIES, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. BUT BETWEEN THAT PET BOULEVARD AND MOUNTAIN VIEW [02:40:01] AND MAYBE, UM, HALFWAY DOWN THE BLOCK TILL YOU GET TO, YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE STREET IS LIKE HENRI, UM, ROOFING. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT CAVAL AND YOU'VE GOT ALL THOSE OTHER COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS. THAT PROPERTY IS HOUSING RIGHT NOW. I WALKED IT RECENTLY AND IT'S NOT REALLY COMPATIBLE TO MIXED USE. SO OUR, AND I KNOW A PROPERTY OWNER CAME IN AT THAT MARCH MEETING AND ASKED FOR SOME CHANGES. CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THE CHANGES WERE? UM, SHE HAD SOME QUESTIONS ON HER PROPERTY. SURE. UM, SO WE, WE MET WITH THAT PROPERTY OWNER, UM, BRIAN AND I DID. AND, UH, WE CLARIFIED THAT AS IN THE CURRENT INFORMATION THAT'S OUT, HER PROPERTY IS NOT IN ONE OF THE IDENTIFIED AREAS OF CHANGE, WHICH IS WHY SHE DIDN'T GET A NOTICE. 'CAUSE THE CORRECT, THE NOTICES HAVE GONE UP TO PROPERTY OWNERS IN AREAS OF CHANGE. UM, HOWEVER, WE DID IDENTIFY THAT THERE'S ABOUT A BLOCK OR SO ON THAT I CALL IT THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE BOULEVARD DOWN THERE BETWEEN WHERE THE BOULEVARD SOUTH AREA OF CHANGE ENDS AND THE BOWLING ALLEY AREA OF CHANGE BEGINS. AND SO WE TOOK A LOOK AT THAT, AND THIS IS OUTLINED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. UM, AND WE TOOK A LOOK AT THAT AND AGREED LIKE, IT'S AN ODD ONE TO BE LEFT OUT. WHY DON'T WE JUST EXPAND THAT AREA OF CHANGE TO KIND OF CONNECT THOSE. UM, AND SO OUR RECOMMENDATION WAS TO MAKE THAT ADDITIONAL BLOCK ALSO STEP DOWN MIXED USE. SO KIND OF CARRYING WHAT WOULD THE BOWLING ALLEY AND VET CENTER WOULD BE, STEP DOWN MIXED USE AND CARRYING THAT NORTH, UM, TO WHERE IT CONNECTS WITH THE P PETALUMA BOULEVARD SOUTH, NOT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET. THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET IS VERY DIFFERENT. IT'S THE, IT'S A MUCH MORE KIND OF INDUSTRIAL, UM, IN THAT AREA, DIFFERENT SIZE, LOTS DIFFERENT, UM, DIFFERENT, UH, CHARACTER. UM, SO WE REALLY FOCUSED ON THAT CHANGE ON THE, UM, WEST SIDE OF THE BOULEVARD IN THAT IT'S ABOUT A BLOCK OR A BLOCK AND A HALF. UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT AND THAT'S WHAT WE, UM, WOULD SEE MOVING FORWARD TO THE PREFERRED LAND USE MAP. IT'S JUST NOT REFLECT, IT'S NOT REFLECTED IN THE SLIDES AND RIGHT. I HAD IT IN MY NOTES, BUT I WANTED TO CLARIFY IT. UM, THE OTHER THING YOU MENTIONED ON THE CENTRAL SPECIFIC PLAN WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, IT WAS DESIGNED AND APPROVED 20 YEARS AGO AND THAT'S WHEN OUR LAST GENERAL PLAN WAS APPROVED. BUT, UM, WE HAVE HOW MANY PROJECTS HAVE ENTITLEMENTS ON THE, ON THE WEST SIDE THERE, UM, BY D STREET AND THE TRAIN DEPOT THAT REMAIN VACANT, BUT THEY HAVE THEIR ENTITLEMENTS AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, UNBUILT. 'CAUSE THERE'S QUITE A FEW, I BELIEVE, ON THE WEST SIDE. UH, SO WE HAVE, UM, THE OYSTER COVE AND THE HAYSTACK, UM, ARE THE TWO PROJECTS THAT ARE KIND OF NEAR, NEAR THE STATION THAT HAVE ENTITLEMENTS THAT, UM, I BELIEVE ARE STILL, ARE STILL ACTIVE. UM, AND WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO WORK WITH THOSE, THOSE APPLICANTS TO SEE IF THOSE PROJECTS ARE STILL VIABLE FOR THEM. AND THEN I KNOW THERE'S ONE AT 1 31 LIBERTY, BUT I THINK THERE'S AN APPLICATION THAT'S TRUE. 1 31 LIBERTY IS ALSO, THAT WAS A, SOME APARTMENT, SOME MIXED USE, SOME OFFICE ON THE GROUND FLOOR. I DON'T REMEMBER EVERYTHING, BUT IS THERE ANY ON THE EAST SIDE, LIKE WHERE CASA GRANDE, THAT DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN NEXT TO CASA GRANDE? WELL, THERE'S THE, UM, TWO, THE, YEAH, THE TWO, THERE'S TWO HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS ON, UM, CASA GRANDE ACROSS FROM THE SCHOOL, UM, THAT ARE, THAT WE JUST ARE ENTITLED. UM, ONE IS I BELIEVE CONS UNDER CONSTRUCTION OR CONSTRUCTED. AND THE OTHER ONE I DON'T BELIEVE HAS PULLED BUILDING PERMITS YET. BUT THAT ONE WAS BEFORE YOU FOR THE, UM, THE, THE ISSUE WITH THE BRIDGE OVER THE CREEK, UM, THAT THE COUNCIL GRAPPLED WITH, UM, ON THAT ONE. RIGHT. BUT THERE'S NO OTHER ON CASA GRANDE OF THE ONE NEXT, THERE'S ONE AT THE CITY PARK BY THE ROCKY DOG PARK. OKAY. UM, IS ANOTHER APARTMENT COMPLEX. I CAN'T, I CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT DATE OF THOSE ENTITLEMENTS [02:45:01] AND, BUT THERE'S STILL ACTIVE. OKAY. OKAY. SO THERE IS PROJECTS BUT THEY JUST HAVEN'T BEEN BUILT OR THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS? THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS, YEAH. ISN'T THAT ABOUT 300 UNITS AN APARTMENT COMPLEX? YEAH. OKAY. YEP. UM, BUT THE CASA GRANDE SITE, I WAS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE ONE THAT, UM, CALS MEMBER STRIPS WAS DESCRIBING. I DON'T REMEMBER THE PIPE ISSUE, BUT I THINK THE RECESSION HAPPENED AND THAT DEVELOPER, IT JUST GAVE UP ON THAT PROJECT, BUT IT WAS GONNA BE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, UM, VERY DENSE AND IT WAS GONNA BE A WONDERFUL, UM, FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS OPPORTUNITY. AND WE WERE LOOKING AT LIKE TEACHERS AND HOSPITAL WORKERS AND POLICE AND FIRE EMPLOYEES AND CITY STAFF TO PURCHASE THAT, THOSE, UM, THAT HOUSING OPPORTUNITY. BUT IT NEVER GOT VERY FAR BECAUSE OF THE RECESSION. UM, MOVING OVER TO LAKEHORN, UM, THAT SHOPPING CENTER HAS A LOT OF TURNOVER AND IN TALKING TO THE BUSINESS OWNERS, THEY CLAIM IT'S BECAUSE IT'S SO CLOSE TO THE JUNIOR HIGH THAT THEY'RE BEING TERRORIZED BY THE STUDENTS THAT ARE LEAVING THE SCHOOL. UM, AND GOING THROUGH THE, IT WAS G AND G MARKET, NOW IT'S SAFEWAY. SO IF WE PUT IN A MIXED USE IN THERE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GONNA IMPROVE IT, BUT IT WOULD BE MORE EYES ON THE, UM, SITUATION AND WHAT'S HAPPENING. AND I KNOW THAT IT IS ALSO HAPPENING IN THE PARK CLOSE BY. SO, UM, WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT WHEN WE THINK ABOUT HOUSING NEXT TO SCHOOLS, ESPECIALLY THE HIGH SCHOOL AND THE JUNIOR HIGH. SO IT'S NOT A REALLY GOOD FIT AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO IMPROVE IT, BUT MAYBE SOMEBODY PROFESSIONAL COULD FIGURE THAT OUT. AND THAT'S JUST MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED TO ADD, I THINK WE HAVE AN, UH, A FORMERLY ENTITLED PROJECT ACROSS FROM MCKINLEY SCHOOL, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY'VE RETAINED IT OR LET IT GO. A DOZEN APARTMENTS. AND SO THEY, THEY MANAGED TO GET ALL THE WAY THROUGH. SO THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S THINGS OUT THERE THAT PEOPLE GET ENTITLED TO NEVER BUILD, UNFORTUNATELY. YEAH. UM, BUT I'D LOVE, I'D LOVE TO KNOW HOW MUCH PROPERTY AND HOW MANY HOUSING UNITS WERE, WE'RE MISSING OUT ON BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T BUILT BECAUSE THE MARKET WAS SO BAD, RIGHT? MM-HMM . UM, COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON, YOU GOOD? COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE. YEAH, I THINK THE OTHER REASON THE MARKET CONDITIONS ARE, CAN BE BAD, BUT ALSO IF THINGS ARE JUST MARGINALLY COST EFFECTIVE AND THEN THE MARKET CONDITIONS CHANGE, I THINK THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO PROMOTE FLEXIBILITY. UM, SO JUST GONNA, YOU KNOW, DO MY RECAP AGAIN. UM, OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS, WE'VE ACTUALLY SEEN THE SLOWEST GROWTH RATE IN PETALUMA SINCE THE 1940S. UM, I SENT A MESSAGE TO COUNCIL ON THIS, UM, FROM 1960 THROUGH 2000, WE ADDED ABOUT ROUGHLY 10,000 PEOPLE EVERY DECADE, UM, FROM 2000 TO 2010, 3,500 FROM 2010 TO 2020 2000. SO, UM, WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT LIKE, WE'RE GROWING TOO FAST, LIKE IN THE CONTEXT OF PETALUMA AS A CITY, UM, THAT JUST ISN'T WHAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING. UM, BUT WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS, UH, OVER THE LAST 12 YEARS, WE'VE SEEN HOUSING PRICES GROW BY ABOUT 248%. UM, SO WHEN I THINK ABOUT THE THINGS THAT ARE CHANGING IN PETALUMA, UM, AND THE PROBLEMS THAT I'M TRYING TO SOLVE AS WE THINK ABOUT LAND USE IS TRYING TO MAKE THE PLACE MORE AFFORDABLE FOR REGULAR MIDDLE CLASS PEOPLE THAT WANT TO START, UM, A LIFE HERE. UM, AND SO I'M, THAT'S LIKE A BIG LENS THAT I LOOK THROUGH WHEN I THINK ABOUT THIS. UM, SO I DO HAVE QUESTIONS THOUGH, UM, ON THE BOWLING ALLEY SITE. UM, I'M WONDERING HOW, LIKE, AS A GUY WHO GOES BOWLING, STILL LIKES TO GO BOWLING, I I THINK THERE'S FEW OPTIONS FOR AFFORDABLE FAMILY FUN IN OUR CITY. AND, UM, IF SOMEONE WERE TO REDEVELOP THAT SITE, I FEAR THAT WE WOULD LOSE ANOTHER AFFORDABLE FAMILY ACTIVITY. AND SO I'M WONDERING WHAT WE'VE DONE TO LIKE, THINK ABOUT AS, UM, LIKE, LIKE TOOLS, DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES, THINGS LIKE THAT TO TRY AND, YOU KNOW, AS WE DEVELOP THAT PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE TO HAVE SOMETHING THERE, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHETHER IT'S LIKE A BUNCH OF HOUSING UNITS ON TOP OF A, YOU KNOW, BOWLING ALLEY. LIKE I, I MEAN THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE, RIGHT? BUT LIKE, HOW CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T JUST, UM, LIKE I'LL TURN THIS ALL OVER TO THE MARKET AND WE LOSE OUT ON THE, THE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THERE'S ALSO, THERE'S [02:50:01] A WHOLE COMMUNITY THERE, RIGHT? BELIEVE IT OR NOT, LIKE BOWLING ALLEYS ARE KIND OF A MELTING POT OF AMERICA. AND, UM, IF THEY DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO TO GATHER IN PETALUMA, THEY, YOU KNOW, WE LOSE THEM. SO I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT WE'VE, HOW WE'VE SORT OF APPROACHED THOSE SORT OF UNIQUE LAND USES THAT ARE REALLY SORT OF LIKE COMMUNITY HUBS IN THEMSELVES. I I THINK THAT'S A FANTASTIC LEGITIMATE CONCERN. UM, I'M NOT SURE THERE'S A, A, A GUA A WAY TO GUARANTEE THAT THE USE MIGHT SOMEDAY CONVERT, BUT MY GUESS IS, AND I DON'T, I DON'T, I'VE NEVER BOWLED THERE, SO I DON'T KNOW, UM, HOW WELL IT'S USED, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S A VERY WELL USED COMMUNITY RESOURCE. AND SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THE LANDOWNER LIKELY WOULDN'T HAVE A STRONG INCENTIVE TO CHANGE THE USE AND INSTEAD COMPLIMENT THAT USE WITH OTHER COMPLIMENTARY, UM, DEVELOPMENT ON SITE, WHETHER IT'S HOUSING ABOVE OR ELSEWHERE ON THE SITE. UM, I HAVEN'T SEEN IT AT ITS PEAK USE. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH ROOM THERE IS IN THE PARKING LOT POTENTIALLY FOR, UM, HORIZONTAL MIXED USE, UM, INFILL DEVELOPMENT. BUT I WOULD THINK THAT THEY'RE, THEY'D LOOK AT LOTS OF CREATIVE OPTIONS TO, TO DIVERSIFY THE USE LIKELY BEFORE COMPLETELY CONVERTING IT TO A DIFFERENT USE. AGAIN, I DON'T, NOT KNOWING THE EXACT NATURE OF THAT SITE, IT'S HARD TO SPECULATE. UM, BUT THERE ARE DIFFICULT, IT'S DIFFICULT TO GUARANTEE THE RETENTION OF A PARTICULAR USE. I SHOULD, I COULD ADD THOUGH THAT THERE ARE GROWING NUMBER OF EXAMPLES NATIONWIDE WHERE VALUED COMMUNITY RESOURCES ARE, ARE IN DIFFERENT WAYS TAKEN INTO, UH, THE COMMUNITY TAKES THEM INTO THEIR OWN HANDS IN DIFFERENT FORMS OF COMMUNITY OWNERSHIP AND CONTROL. THIS IS DONE OFTEN FOR GROCERY STORES THAT ARE, UH, THREATENED TO BE LOST. UM, I CAN'T, DON'T SEE WHY THE SAME, UH, COMMUNITY DRIVEN APPROACH COULDN'T BE TAKEN TO A BULLYING ALLEY AS WELL IF THERE'S THAT MUCH, UM, PUBLIC, UH, SUPPORT FOR A VALUED RECREATIONAL ASSET COUNCIL MEMBER. BARNACLE. IT'S ALSO SOMETHING, IT'S A, IT'S GOOD FEEDBACK AND I HAD IT ON MY LIST ABOUT, SPECIFICALLY ABOUT GROCERY STORES. 'CAUSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT NOT WANTING TO LOSE OUR GROCERY STORES WANTING TO HAVE FLEXIBILITY BUT NOT WANTING TO AT THE EXPENSE OF LOSING THOSE. 'CAUSE THEY'RE SUCH A VITAL COMPONENT OF A HEALTHY NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, HAVING ACCESS TO FOOD. SO IT IS SOMETHING TOO WE CAN TAKE BACK AND TALK WITH. WE HAVE TWO ECONOMIC, UM, SUBS ON THE GENERAL PLAN TEAM AND TAKE BACK AND, YOU KNOW, AS THINGS THAT HAVE COME UP AND LOOKING FOR CREATIVE IDEAS OR, UH, INDUSTRY, YOU KNOW, THINGS THEY'VE USED IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS. AND YEAH, I GUESS MAYBE THIS IS JUST LIKE A, SOMETHING TO ADD TO THE GENERAL PLAN OR ZONE LIKE POLICY OR SOMETHING AROUND, UM, YOU KNOW, I LIKE, WE WANT TO TAG THOSE COMMUNITY USES THAT, THAT SERVE A, A USE THAT'S GREATER THAN THE MARKET ITSELF. RIGHT. UM, AND I THINK FOR ME PERSONALLY, THAT'S THE BOWLING ALLEY . SO, UM, UH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE THOUGHT ON THE BOWLING ALLEY. OTHERWISE I DO SUPPORT THE, UH, THE PROPOSAL FOR THE AREA. UM, NEXT ONE ON THE CREAMERY IS, HAVE WE SPOKEN TO THAT LANDOWNER? UM, JUST CURIOUS. I DO NOT BELIEVE WE HAVE NO. OKAY. I SUGGEST WE TALK TO THE LANDOWNER THERE AND JUST MAKE SURE, UM, I WAS SHOCKED TO GET THE, THE LETTER FROM HUNT AND BARONS AND SO I WANNA, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT ONE BEING AN A, A LESS OPERATIONAL STATE CURRENTLY THAN WHAT WE, UM, WHAT WE HAVE THERE. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO TALK TO THE LANDOWNER, UM, ON CASA GRANDE. UH, I HAD SOME OF THE SIMILAR QUESTIONS AS COUNCIL MEMBER QUINT AROUND, UM, WHY WE CHOSE, BUT I THINK I UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, WHAT STRUCK ME THOUGH WAS THAT SOME OF THE LIKE NEARBY PARCELS WERE NOT TOUCHED. AND SO THE ONES THAT STUCK OUT FOR ME WERE THE, UM, THERE'S LIKE AN R TWO PARCEL AT THE END OF COFIELD AND ELLA, THERE'S AN R TWO PARCEL AT THE CORNER OF CASA GRANDE AND SOUTH MCDOWELL. THESE ARE PRETTY SIZABLE PARCELS THAT, UM, FEEL LIKE THEY SHOULD BE ADDRESSED AS SOMETHING NOT R TWO, RIGHT? I THINK R TWO IS LIKE 6,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT, RIGHT? SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UM, IT SEEMS PRETTY BIG WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO DRIVE TOWARD AFFORDABILITY. UM, AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE, IF THERE'S LIKE ANOTHER VENUE WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE TACKLING SOME OF THESE, LIKE, I MEAN, R TWO IN PARTICULAR IS THE ONE THAT STANDS OUT TO ME BECAUSE IT'S JUST SUCH A HUGE LOT SIZE AND WE, UM, WE MISS IT. UM, BUT THOSE TWO LOTS. UM, AND THEN THERE'S THIS OTHER LIKE LITTLE CITY OWNED PARCEL THAT SORT OF ABUTS THAT, THAT CA THE FEDERAL FEDERALIST CITY SCHOOL ZONED PIECE ON ELLA THAT I'VE DRIVEN BY AND IT'S LIKE JUST SORT OF AN OPEN SPACE. AND UM, I'VE [02:55:01] OFTEN THOUGHT LIKE THAT COULD BE LIKE THE CAN EAST SIDE RAISE, RIGHT? WITH LIKE A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT THE SCHOOL RIGHT THERE, YOU'VE GOT PLENTY OF RESIDENTIAL TO SUPPORT WEEKENDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND I JUST, SO I GUESS I'M JUST LOOKING AT THAT AND I'M SAYING LIKE, THAT'S ONE BIG PARCEL, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY SITE, UM, BUT THE WHOLE AREA HASN'T REALLY BEEN RETHOUGHT. UM, AND SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF SOMEONE CAN EXPLAIN, WAS THAT INTENTIONAL OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT AM I MISSING ON THAT? I DON'T THINK IT WAS INTENTIONAL. I THINK IT WAS, YOU KNOW, EARLY ON WE STARTED REALLY HONING IN ON AREAS OF CHANGE AND THEN REMAINED PRETTY FOCUSED ON THOSE UNLESS THINGS CAME UP, UM, THAT KIND OF SAID, WELL WAIT, LET'S, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH THE GENERAL PLAN ADVISORY DISCUSSION OR A NEIGHBOR COMING OUT AND SAYING, HEY, WELL I'M RIGHT HERE AND I WOULD LOVE TO BE PART OF THIS. THAT KIND OF, OR SOMETHING CAME UP AT A COMMUNITY OUTREACH. UM, SO I, I'M, I'M, YOU'RE ONE STEP AHEAD OF ME. I CAN'T LIKE PICTURE THOSE PARCELS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT WE CAN LOOK AT 'EM. BUT, UM, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE THAT WAS FOCUSED. GOT YOU. UM, I WOULD SAY R TWO IN GENERAL, LIKE LOOKING AROUND AT THE R TWO LAND USE IS A PRETTY RIPE OPPORTUNITY TO TRY AND BRING THAT DOWN TO 2000 SQUARE FEET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND SEE IF WE CAN GET MORE AFFORDABLE BY DESIGN. BECAUSE IF WE HAVE 6,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS AS A MINIMUM LOT SIZE, WE'RE GONNA SEE A LOT OF BIG HOMES. AND THAT'S, AGAIN, NOT HITTING OUR AFFORDABILITY TARGETS. UM, LEGHORN I DON'T HAVE SUPER STRONG THOUGHTS OF, OTHER THAN I'D LOVE TO SEE SOME HOUSING THERE. UH, THE WASHINGTON SQUARE, THAT WAS ONE. LIKE, I, I UNDERSTAND THE NEED, THE, THE REASON FOR THE, THE STEP BACK COMMERCIAL. AND AT THE SAME TIME, LIKE IT'S HARD TO FIND BETTER ACCESS TO PARKS, OUR SENIOR CENTER, TWO ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS THERE, LIKE FOUR BASEBALL FIELDS, RIGHT? I MEAN, AT LEAST IF WE'RE GONNA TRANSIT CENTERS, MULTIPLE TRANSIT HUBS, RIGHT? LIKE IF, IF THERE WAS AN AREA TO TRY AND INCREASE THE DENSITY ON, IT FEELS LIKE THAT'S THE PLACE WHERE ALL LIKE A HUGE NUMBER OF AMENITIES ARE. AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN I THOUGHT OF ALL OF THEM, THAT WAS THE ONE THAT SORT OF JUMPED OUT AT ME AS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, A TON OF GROCERY STORES AND PRETTY MU A NEW HEALTH CENTER THERE, RIGHT? LIKE, SO, UM, I'M JUST WONDERING, IS THERE, IS THERE A REASON WHY WE WOULDN'T WANT TO CREATE MORE FLEXIBILITY ON THERE? UM, I, OTHER THAN YOU, THE REASONS YOU ALREADY SAID. SO I GUESS THAT'S A QUESTION OF THE COUNCIL OF LIKE, ISN'T THAT A PLACE WHERE IN THE FUTURE WE'D WANNA SEE MORE PEOPLE LIVING, UM, RIGHT NEXT TO TRANSIT, RIGHT NEXT TO PARKS AND PUBLIC SERVICES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. YOU'RE ON LANGHORN, I'M ON WASHINGTON SQUARE. THAT'S THE ONE WASHINGTON SQUARE, RIGHT? FOR ME, LIKE YEP. IF THERE WAS ANY OF 'EM THAT, THAT JUMP OUT, WASHINGTON SQUARE WAS THE ONE WHERE IT'S LIKE LITERALLY EVERYTHING IS THERE, UM, TO HAVE A, A WALKABLE LIFE IF WE REDESIGNED IT AS SUCH. UM, MEMBER REBS. OKAY, JUST A, A COUPLE QUICK COMMENTS. UM, TALKING ABOUT LEGHORN AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING IN RESIDENCES, LIKE I REALLY PRACTICALLY, I REALLY CAN'T SEE THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENING AFTER IT NOW IT'S BUILT UNLESS THE BUILDINGS ARE ALREADY STRUCTURED SO THAT THE STORES ARE DOWN BELOW AND THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN ARCHITECTURALLY SET. SO YOU CAN JUST ADD TO THE TOP OF THOSE BUILDINGS. IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN YEAH, WE CAN ADD SOMETHING ON TOP, BUT I CAN'T SEE ANY BUILDINGS BEING REMOVED AND ANOTHER BUILDING PUT IN PLACE THAT'S MUCH LARGER DOING THINGS. UH, IT'S A SMALL, FAIRLY SMALL SITE. IT'S ALREADY AN OPERATIONAL SHOPPING CENTER. SO I DON'T SEE THAT AS A PRACTICAL BASIS. BUT I THINK LEGHORN REALLY NEEDS IS MUCH MORE SERVICE ORIENTED AND COMMUNITY ORIENTED SPACES, UM, RATHER THAN RESIDENTIAL. SO I COULD SEE A, A CITY CENTER, UM, A CITY UH, DESK THERE. I COULD SEE A, A SATELLITE, LIKE WE HAVE POLICE STATION, A SATELLITE ON PAY RENT COULD BE BECAUSE THAT AREA'S MISSING SERVICES AREAS IS ALL RESIDENTIAL. SO THAT'S A HIGHER NEED THAN RESIDENCES ON THAT. 'CAUSE THERE'S HOUSING ALL AROUND IT, RIGHT BEHIND IT. THERE'S LARGE APARTMENT COMPLEX. SO THAT'S ON LEGHORN ON THE CASA GRANDE SITE. UM, I'D BE AGAINST A HUNDRED PERCENT RESIDENTIAL. WE WANT THAT TO BE A COMMUNITY HUB, NOT MORE TOTALLY A HUNDRED PERCENT HOUSING. SO I WOULD SAY DEMAND, NOT ALLOW DEMAND MIXED USE ON THAT SITE MYSELF. UH, WE WANT THAT TO BE A, UM, A COMMUNITY CENTER AREA. SO MIXED USE FOR SURE. UM, BUT IT HAS TO BE COM COMBINATION. UM, NOT NOT ALLOWED THAT MUCH FLEXIBILITY ON THAT SITE. 'CAUSE SOMEONE'S GONNA COME IN AND WANNA JUST DO HOUSING ON THAT SITE NEXT YEAR IF THAT'S WHAT WE DO. UM, [03:00:01] THEN ON THE, UM, ON THE BOWLING SITE, I AGREE WITH, UH, COUNCILMAN BARNACLE, THE BOWLING ALLEY IS, IS USABLE, BUT IT'S AN EMPTY PARKING LOT AND IS THE PARKING LOT THAT REALLY NEED TO DEVELOP, NOT THE THAT BUILDING BUT THE PROPERTY YOU IDENTIFIED JUST, JUST SOUTH OF THERE. UM, PROBABLY NOT EVEN THE MEMORIAL BUILDING UNLESS SOMEONE'S TAKE, TAKE THAT BUILDING COMPLETELY DOWN AND REDO IT. BUT THAT PROPERTY NEXT TO IT, I THINK, THANK YOU FOR IDENTIFYING, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THAT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY SITE. SO I WOULD PUT A HUNDRED PERCENT EFFORT INTO TRANSFORMING THAT BASICALLY, UM, VERY LOW RESIDENTIAL ZONE RIGHT THERE AS, AS THE BIGGEST REAL OPPORTUNITY FOR DEVELOPMENT. 'CAUSE IF A DEVELOPER'S GONNA LOOK AT, I'D RATHER START WITH BLANK VACANT LAND THAN SOMETHING THAT'S GOT A BIG STRUCTURE ON IT ALREADY, UH, ON THAT ONE. SO, BUT I JUST WANTED TO ADD THOSE, THOSE COMMENTS IN. AND THEN ALSO AT THE, UM, UM, BOTH AT TARGET, UH, PARKING AREA AND OVER AT WASHINGTON SQUARE, WE HAVE, UM, EMPTY COUPLE EMPTY SPACES AND LOTS OF BLOCKS OF PARKING. SO TRYING TO PUT, UM, SERVICES IN THOSE AREAS TOO, WHETHER TRANSIT SERVICE OR CITY SERVICES, UM, THAT THOSE MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE THERE ALSO. SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT OUR, THAT WE AS A CITY IS ALSO LOOKING AT DEVELOPING OUR OWN SERVICES IN THOSE AREAS ALSO. SO THOSE ARE JUST THE EXTRA COMMENTS I JUST WANNA TOSS IN. YES, THOSE ARE GREAT COMMENTS. I I THINK WHAT I'M GONNA NOTE ON THAT IS THERE IS A NEED AS WE'RE, UM, PLANNING FOR THE NEXT 25 YEARS AS I THINK THERE'S AN IMPORTANT, UM, FACTOR THAT WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING, WHICH IS, UM, CITY SERVICES, RIGHT? SO I THINK THERE'S A MUCH MORE FOCUSED OKAY, BASED ON THE ADDITIONAL PROJECTIONS, WHAT'S THE LEVEL OF NEW SERVICE, RIGHT? I THINK WE'VE HEARD ABOUT EVEN LIKE A LIBRARY RIGHT ON THE EAST SIDE. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, UH, HAS COME UP IN THE PAST. UM, SO I THINK ABSOLUTELY WE CAN LOOK AT IT, UM, IN THE CONTEXT OF WHAT THE NEW GENERAL PLAN PROJECTS AND WHAT, UH, OTHER AMENITIES MAY BE REQUIRED AND THEN COME UP WITH SOME CREATIVE SOLUTIONS, WHETHER IT'S LEGHORN, WHETHER IT'S, UH, THE JCS RIGHT THERE. MAYBE THERE'S SOME SORT OF JOINT, UM, FACILITY USE PARTNERSHIP OR SOMETHING, UM, THAT WE CAN LOOK AT. BUT, UM, NOTED, I, I WOULD SUGGEST MAYOR THOUGH, AT SOME POINT, UM, AS DIFFERENT IDEAS ARE GOING BACK AND FORTH, WE MAY WANNA CONSIDER STRAW POLLING SOME OF THESE JUST SO WE CAN GET SOME DIRECTION THIS EVENING. RIGHT? I THINK FOCUSING SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS IS A GOOD IDEA. SO LET ME ASK ONE FOCUS QUESTION. IF THIS CITY'S GENERAL PLAN PROJECTS A GROWTH, WHAT STEP OR STAGE, WHEN DO WE TALK ABOUT CITY AMENITY? WHETHER THE CITY'S REQUIREMENT TO, TO STAND UP THAT POPULACE OF A CITY? JUST SO I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION CORRECTLY. YOU'RE ASK, YOU'RE ASKING HOW WE'RE, ONCE WE'VE AGREED ON A GROWTH PROJECTION FOR THE CITY IN PART INFLUENCED BY THE CHANGE IN LAND USE DESIGNATION, HOW ARE WE ACCOMMODATING FOR THE NECESSARY MAINTAINING THE SAME LEVEL OF PUBLIC SERVICES FACILITIES, ET CETERA? YES. PERFECT. YEAH. SO, UM, SO THAT'S ADDRESSED IN THE, I GOT TOO MANY GENERAL PLANS, UM, PUBLIC FACILITIES ELEMENT IN MANY RESPECTS. UM, SPECIFICALLY CALLING OUT FOR MAINTAINING, UH, SIMILAR OR GREATER LEVELS OF SERVICE ALSO APPLIES TO THE PARKS, UM, POLICIES THAT HAVE SIMILAR. SO IS THAT ITERATIVE TO LAND USE THAT WE'LL DO LAND USE? WE'LL SEE WHAT IT MEANS TO THE REST OF THE SECTIONS. WE'LL ITERATIVELY COME BACK AND SAY, WELL SOMETHING HAS TO HAPPEN ON CITY FACILITIES. I'M, I'M NOT, WE'LL HAVE TO, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY HOW SPECIFIC WE'LL GET. UM, YEAH, SO, UM, AND THE GENERAL PLAN, WE MAY NOT GET THAT SPECIFIC ABOUT SPECIFIC FACILITIES REQUIRED. MUCH OF THE GENERAL PLAN CALLS FOR SUBSEQUENT MORE DETAILED FUNCTIONAL PLANS THAT WOULD IDENTIFY SPECIFIC FACILITIES NEED IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY. 'CAUSE PART OF THE QUESTION IS GEOGRAPHIC. UM, AND THEN THE GENERAL PLAN ALSO INFORMS THE UPDATE TO THE CITY'S, UM, NEXUS FEE STUDY, WHICH IN TURN WOULD RESULT IN A CHANGE OR UPDATE TO THE IMPACT FEES, ALL OF WHICH THEN PROVIDE THE RESOURCES NECESSARY TO PROVIDE, DO YOU NEED TO PROTECT LAND FOR THIS? DOES ANY ZONING COVER, IF YOU FIND YOU NEED MORE FACILITIES, IS THERE A ZONING THAT COVERS IT OR CAN THAT BE ACCOMMODATED LATER? THERE'S A, I HAVE TO, WE CALL IT PUBLIC, SEMI-PUBLIC. YEAH. YEAH. THERE'S [03:05:01] A DESIGNATION SPECIFIC TO PUBLIC FACILITIES. YEAH. BUT WHEN WOULD YOU APPLY IT TO LAND? WOULD YOU CHANGE A COMMERCIAL PLACE LATER AND SAY, WELL WE NEED SOME PUBLIC, UH, LAND TO THE EXTENT THAT WE KNOW THERE ARE SPECIFIC SITES THAT SHOULD BE PRESERVED FOR THAT USE. NOW IS THE TIME TO DO THAT. UM, DO DO YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC TYPE OF PUBLIC FACILITY THAT YOU'RE THINKING, WELL WE WERE JUST MENTION, WE WERE MENTIONING AN ALTERNATE POLICE STATION OR ANOTHER, UH, FACILITY, YOU KNOW, UM, A CITY HALL WITH CAPACITY FOR GREATER EMPLOY, UM, EMPLOYEE, UM, EFFICIENCY, THESE, THESE KINDS OF THINGS. WILL SOMETHING SHOW UP DURING THIS GENERAL PLAN CONVERSATION THAT SHOWS THAT THE CITY NEEDS TO HAVE MORE STRUCTURE AND CAPACITY FOR THE NEW CITY 25 YEARS NOW? YEAH, WE WILL BE LOOKING AT THAT. WE WILL BE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT FACILITIES, MAINTAINING A CERTAIN STANDARD OF LIVING. THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT CAN HAPPEN TOO. DOESN'T NECESSARILY, I MEAN, WE DO HAVE, THE CITY HAS A, A A, AN AMAZING CENTRALLY LOCATED PIECE OF PROPERTY TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY. UM, UH, THERE'S ALSO OTHER WAYS TO DO IT. SOMETIMES THOSE THINGS LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER STRIPS WAS TALKING ABOUT LIKE A POLICE SUBSTATION. IT MIGHT NOT BE A SUBSTATION LIKE YOU THINK OF IT, IT MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, A GROUND FLOOR OFFICE SPACE IN A, UM, SHOPPING CENTER THAT GOES IN, OR LIKE SANTA ROSA'S PUTTING A POLICE STATION IN THE MALL. IT DOES, RIGHT? IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, UM, A PARCEL. 'CAUSE WE ALSO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S OTHER ISSUES THAT COME UP IF YOU GO AND LOOK AT A PRIVATE PIECE OF PROPERTY RE DESIGNATING IT FOR PUBLIC, SEMI-PUBLIC, WE'RE GONNA HAVE DIFFERENT DISCUSSIONS. UM, SO WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF CITY OWNED, UM, PROPERTIES. YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY WE'RE ALL SITTING ON RIGHT NOW IS ANOTHER AMAZING PROPERTY. SO, UM, THAT WILL, THAT WILL BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE NOT PLANNING FOR CHANGE WITHOUT THE, THE QUALITY OF LIFE AND THE PUBLIC SAFETY AND THE, AND, AND THINKING BUST YARD THINGS THAT CAN'T BE CO CO-LOCATED THINGS LIKE A BUS YARD WOULD BE KIND OF TRICKIER. COUNCILOR BARNELL. YEAH. THE BUS YARD'S. THE ONE THAT ALWAYS COMES UP FOR ME IS LIKE, THAT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE THE IDEAL PLACE TO HAVE A BUS YARD. UM, THE ALSO NOTE THAT OUR CURRENT GENERAL PLAN SAYS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE 72,000 PEOPLE THIS YEAR. WE HAVE LESS THAN 60,000 PEOPLE. SO, UM, LIKE WE'VE GOT LIKE OUR CURRENT GENERAL PLAN HAS PLANNED FOR THIS AND THAT WAS PLANNING FOR A LOT MORE WATER USAGE, RIGHT? WE'VE SEEN A, A HUGE AMOUNT OF HARDENED WATER SAVINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. LIKE, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO, YOU KNOW, WATER AND WASTEWATER CAPACITY AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. LIKE, UM, I THINK WE'VE GOT A LOT OF THAT STUFF COVERED. UM, I, I WOULD, WHEN WE GET TO IT, I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM THE GENERAL PLAN. I SAW SOME OF THEM WANTING TO, TO SAY SOMETHING TOO, SO I JUST WANTED TO FLAG THAT. ALRIGHT. UM, ONE, ONE FINAL NOTE ON YOUR QUESTION, MAYOR, UH, AND I, MOST CITIES, AND I HAVEN'T CHECKED THE, HAVE THE MUNICIPAL CODE FOR PETALUMA SPECIFICALLY, BUT MOST CITIES AND ALLOWING MOST ZONES PUBLIC USES WITH, WITH THIS IDEA IN MIND, IS THAT LIKE RECOGNIZING THAT IT A NEED OFTEN ARISES AND TO RETAIN MAXIMUM FLEXIBILITY FOR THE CITY GOVERNMENT IDENTIFIES, IDENTIFIES SCIENCE THAT ALLOWS PUBLIC USES IN MOST ZONES? THAT'S EXACTLY THE ANSWER I WAS HOPING FOR. I GUESS THAT FLEXIBILITY AGAIN. UM, AND, UM, WE MENTIONED OUTREACH, UM, AND, AND, AND THAT THE GENERAL PLAN IS A VISION AND, AND IT'S ABOUT HOUSING AND AFFORDABILITY AND LIVABILITY. AND I WOULD LOVE TO START EVERY PUBLIC OUTREACH WITH THAT SORT OF CONTEXT IN, IN THE NOTE THAT COUNCIL MEMBER BARMAN MADE ABOUT HOW LITTLE WE'VE ACTUALLY GROWN AND THE CONSEQUENCE THAT HAS ON, UM, AFFORDABILITY AVAILABILITY FOR EVERYONE. AND, UM, TO THAT POINT, DID THE GPAC HAVE A, UM, WHAT COMMENT THEY WANTED TO MAKE ON THIS SECTION BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SECTION? PLEASE. HI, GOOD EVENING COUNCIL MEMBERS AND STAFF. UM, I'M ALLIE GAYLORD. I'VE, UH, BEEN SERVING ON THE GENERAL PLAN COMMITTEE FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS. UM, AND I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE A LITTLE CONTEXT IN THE, UM, CONVERSATION, UH, AT THE GPAC LEVEL ON THE WASHINGTON SQUARE PLAZA AND, UM, PLAZA NORTH AND SOUTH, UM, DISCUSSIONS AS, UH, STAFF HAD MENTIONED, THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW, UH, THESE SITES SHOULD BE INTENSIFIED AND I THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF, UM, SUPPORT FOR WHAT WAS SHOWN AS, UH, ALTERNATIVE TO MAJOR TOWN CENTER, WHICH, UM, WOULD HAVE PROVIDED THE KIND OF THE MOST [03:10:01] INTENSE USE AND INCLUDED THE DESIGNATION OF T 5.5, UM, ON WHERE THE WASHINGTON PLAZA IS, WHICH IS WHERE THE SAFEWAY IS. UM, THAT DESIGNATION, AND I THINK STAFF CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IS THAT HAS BEEN DELETED FROM THE POTENTIAL LAND USE DESIGNATIONS. UM, AND SO I THINK THERE WAS SOME WORK AT THE STAFF LEVEL, UM, THAT THEN THE, THE GPAC SAW SOMETHING KIND OF A LITTLE BIT LATER THAT WAS THIS, UM, RECOMMENDED ALTERNATIVE NOW WITH, UM, THE STEP DOWN MIXED USE ON WASHINGTON PLAZA AND PLAZA SOUTH. SO IT JUST TO KIND OF SUM THAT UP, I THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF SUPPORT AND MAYBE THE COMMUNITY OUTSIDE OF THE GPAC WANTED A LITTLE BIT LESS INTENSITY. BUT I THINK THAT WA FOR EXACTLY THE REASONS YOU STATED, COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE THE WASHINGTON, UM, SQUARE WOULD BE A REALLY GREAT PLACE TO DO SOME OF THAT HIGHER DENSITY PER PERHAPS THE T FIVE DESIGNATION WITH THE FOUR, UH, THE STEP DOWN TO FOUR STORIES WHERE APPROPRIATE. AND I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION THAT LIKE REALLY IN EXISTENCE ON THE, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY IT'S LIKE THE EASTERN EDGE OF THAT SAFEWAY PROPERTY. IT REALLY DOESN'T BACK UP TO HOUSING AT ALL. IT'S ALL COMMERCIAL, THEN THERE'S A CREEK AND THEN THE, THE ONLY HOUSING THAT BACKS UP TO ON THAT EAST SIDE IS ACTUALLY THREE STORY APARTMENT BUILDINGS. SO TO STEP DOWN TO THREE STORY AT THAT LOCATION DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE, BUT STEPPING DOWN TO FOUR STORY COULD, AND THAT WOULD GIVE THE REST OF THE PROPERTY A LOT MORE, UM, ABILITY TO, TO VARY AND BE A DIFFERENT SORT OF MIXED USE. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT OKAY. I THINK THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. SO I MEAN, I GUESS MAYBE CONSIDER, UM, INCREASING THE DENSITY ON THAT, UM, RECOMMENDATION. THANK YOU. OKAY. I THINK WE WERE GONNA TRY AND THROW A POLL AND SEE WHAT WE, YOU KNOW, HEARD AND COULD COALESCE IDEAS ON THIS. AND LET ME KNOW IF THIS IS GONNA WORK FOR YOU. YOU'VE GOT A LISTING OF NODES, I THOUGHT WE TOUCH ON EACH NODE AND, AND ASK UM, WHAT YOU HEARD THAT VARIED FROM WHAT YOU PROPOSED. AND UM, SO THE, THE, THE FIRST ONE WOULD BE THE BOWLING ALLEY AND VET CENTER. NOT SURE THAT WE HAD ANYTHING THAT VARIED FROM WHAT WAS PROPOSED. SO YOU HEARD ALL OUR COMMENTS, BUT WE'RE IN SUPPORT OF WHAT'S PROPOSED. THE NEXT ONE IS THE WESTERN AND BAKER AREA AND UM, THERE WAS MORE DISCUSSION ON THAT ABOUT NOT, NOT KIND OF PUSHING IT, BUT UM, DID ANYONE HAVE A MODIFICATION FROM WHAT WAS IN STAFF'S PROPOSAL? COUNCILMAN BARNICLE? WELL, JUST TO PROACTIVELY REACH OUT TO THE PROPERTY OWNER, RIGHT? I THINK THAT'S THE, THE BIG THING. EXACTLY. OKAY. RIGHT. IT'S JUST GONNA SIT THERE IDLE FOR, YOU KNOW, YEARS. I DON'T, I WOULD PREFER THAT WE ARE PROACTIVE. AND THEN THE CASA GRANDE CENTER, THERE WAS UM, QUITE A BIT OF, OF CONVERSATION. I THINK THERE'S ONE QUESTION I HAD COUNCIL MEMBERS REIB SUGGESTED, UM, A REQUIREMENT OF MIXED AND UH, IT'S ZONED WITH STANDALONE RESIDENTIAL. OKAY. STANDALONE COMMERCIAL. OKAY. IS THERE A ZONING IT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE THAT THAT DOES NOT ALLOW STANDALONE? AND THEN COUNCIL MIGHT WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHETHER THAT'S A GOOD IDEA OR NOT. BUT, BUT FIRST IS THERE A ZONING THAT DOES THAT? SO LAND USE DESIGNATION? UM, YES, THANK YOU. UH, STANDALONE RESIDENTIAL IS NOT ALLOWED IN DOWNTOWN MIXED USE, WHICH IS REALLY KIND OF AT, AT THE CORE OF THE CENTER OF TOWN. IT'S ALSO NOT ALLOWED IN THE URBAN CORE MIXED USE. THESE ARE GENERALLY THE AREAS THAT WE HAVE WANTED, UM, THAT THAT MORE TRADITIONAL MIXED USE, UM, THAT'S CLOSE TO THE STATION. THAT KIND OF, THAT KIND OF THING ALSO DOESN'T ALLOW STANDALONE. SO THE, THE, I THINK IS IT NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER MIXED USE? IS THAT WHAT CASA GRANDE HAS PROPOSED AS THAT DOES ALLOW STANDALONE RESIDENTIAL UNDER CURRENTLY SHOULD ALSO ADD THAT BECAUSE IT'S IDENTIFIED AS A HOUSING ELEMENT SITE, HCD WOULD ARGUE THAT YOU CANNOT REQUIRE A MIX OF USE. YOU MUST ALLOW STANDALONE RESIDENTIAL. SO THE QUESTION REMAINS TO HOW DO WE ACHIEVE OUR GOAL OF 15 MINUTE, UH, WITHOUT A A, UH, LAND USE DESIGNATION THAT, UH, THAT ALLOWS THAT COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE. I WOULD UH, I HAVE HERE THAT I WAS GONNA ASK LIKE, ONE WAY THAT WE COULD GET TO THAT IS TO LOOK AT THE OTHER PARCELS THAT I CALLED OUT, RIGHT? THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL WHERE THE, THE LITTLE COMMERCIAL CENTER THERE ON THE CORNER, THE R TWO CORNER, LIKE THOSE ARE ALSO OPPORTUNITIES WHERE LITERALLY RIGHT DOWN THE STREET FOR THE CASA GRANDE PARCEL [03:15:01] AND WE COULD GET TO THAT SAME SORT OF 15 MINUTE NEIGHBORHOOD CONCEPT BY AT INCLUDING OTHER PROPERTIES IN THERE AND POTENTIALLY LOOKING AT REZONING THEM AGAINST SURVIVOR. NOW, UM, I JUST WANNA DO A SHOUT OUT FOR THAT LITTLE MARKETPLACE ON CASA GRANDE AND MCDOWELL. UH, THAT'S MY PIZZA PARLOR, MY NAIL SALON, MY VET, MY CLEANERS BELFOR . AND THERE'S A LITTLE TINY MEXICAN MARKET THAT HAS THE BEST PRODUCE. SO I, IT'S ALREADY A 15 MINUTE IT. THEN WE ALSO BELAIRE THERE AND THERE'S A LITTLE UM, MINI MART. I AGREE WITH THAT. I THINK IT IS A 15 MINUTE NEIGHBORHOOD ALREADY. AND THERE'S THE BEST SUSHI. YEAH, PETALUMA SUSHI. SO I JUST WANTED A SHOUT OUT THAT I I COULD RIDE A BIKE THERE. HEY, CAN MAYOR, CAN I ADD SOMETHING PLEASE? JUST FOR CONSIDERATION, THE CASA GRANDE SITE CURRENTLY ONLY ALLOWS RESIDENTIAL AND WE ARE PROPOSING CHANGING IT TO A MIXED USE THAT STILL ALLOWS RESIDENTIAL BUT ALSO ALLOWS IT TO BE OTHER THINGS THAN JUST RESIDENTIAL. SO WE ARE ACTUALLY ENCOURAGING IT. WE'RE WE'RE, WE'RE TAKING IT CLOSER TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT IF WE LIKE, IT'S THAT OPPORTUNITY THING AGAIN. YOU'RE CREATING THE OPPORTUNITY COUNCIL MEMBER QUINN. YEAH. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD LIKE TO ADVOCATE WHILE I VERY MUCH WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME KIND OF BUSINESS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WOULD ALLOW PEOPLE ON THAT SIDE OF TOWN TO WALK TO A, TO PROVIDE SOMETHING FOR, UH, HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT. I ALSO WOULDN'T WANT TO LOSE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT HOUSING THERE IF, UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE HAD A GOOD, UH, A GOOD PROPOSAL. SO CERTAINLY THIS PROVIDES THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WITH THE GREATEST OPPORTUNITY. COUNCIL MEMBER SHRI, YOU OKAY WITH WHERE WE LANDED? I'M FINE. SO, UM, WE'LL MOVE FROM CONSA GRANDE TO, TO LEGHORN. ACTUALLY, I HAVE A COMMENT. I'M SORRY. UH, PLEASE. I ACTUALLY WAS SURPRISED THAT WE WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT THAT SHOPPING CENTER BECAUSE WE DID TALK ABOUT IT AT, AT ANOTHER MEETING. AND SO I'M SURPRISED THAT'S NOT INCORPORATED 'CAUSE IT REALLY IS A 15 MINUTE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THAT. AND YOU KNOW, AND I KIND OF WONDER, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU KNOW, IT'S CONFUSING ABOUT WHAT MIXED USE REALLY MEANS. LIKE DEER CREEK WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A MIXED USE BUT THERE WAS NO HOUSING AND SO IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S A GREAT TERM TO USE, BUT WHAT ARE WE REALLY GONNA GET WITH MIXED USE? AND IT SEEMS AS THOUGH WE CAN JUST GET A MISHMASH OF WHAT WE REALLY DON'T WANT. SO JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE. OKAY. UM, LEGHORNS, UM, WE WERE PRETTY SOLID. THAT ALREADY CREATED A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY AND THIS PROPOSAL ONLY ADDED OPPORTUNITY TO THEM. AND THEN, UM, WASHINGTON SQUARE AND PLAZA, WE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATION THERE, BUT I THINK THE GREATEST OPPORTUNITY IS IN WHAT'S THE STAFF PROPOSAL. OKAY. THERE'S YOUR STRONG POLL. SO, UM, DID YOU, I I I, THAT WAS THE ONE THAT I HAD A NOTE MAYOR TO KIND OF ASK FOR SPECIFICS A LITTLE MORE CLARITY BECAUSE I, UM, HEARD A COUPLE COUNCIL MEMBERS SAY THIS MIGHT BE THE PLACE THAT WE ACTUALLY MAYBE WANNA INCREASE TO THE, UM, UH, WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS I THINK THE T 5.5, WHICH NOW I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE URBAN CORRIDOR MIXED USE. SO USING THAT URBAN CORRIDOR MIXED USE ACROSS ALL THREE OF THOSE PARCELS, UM, WAS SOMETHING THAT I HEARD A COUPLE COUNCIL MEMBERS BRING UP. SO THAT IS ONE I'D LIKE CLARIFICATION ON. IF WE WANNA GO TO SOMETHING THAT ALLOWS A LITTLE MORE DENSITY AND A LITTLE MORE, UM, MASSING, UM, UH, AS AN OPPORTUNITY. UM, COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON, TREAT ALL THOSE SITES EQUAL. 'CAUSE THEY'RE BASICALLY SHOPPING CENTER SITES. THERE'S NOT REALLY MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE. AND YEAH, THERE ARE HOMES ACROSS THE STREET FROM PLAZA SOUTH, BUT IT JUST SEEMS AS THOUGH YOU CAN DO MORE DENSITY EVEN IN THAT SHOPPING CENTER. AND I, I JUST TREAT 'EM ALL EQUAL. AND THEN WITH PLAZA NORTH, I MEAN THERE'S A LOT OF LAND THERE THAT PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THAT'S IN BACK OF THOSE BUILDINGS. AND YOU KNOW WHAT AN OPPORTUNITY IT WOULD'VE BEEN TO HAVE ACTUALLY REMOVED THE KMART BUILDING AND REBUILT SOMETHING BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH LAND IN BACK OF THAT BUILDING [03:20:01] ALSO. AND THERE WAS A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES AND I JUST FEEL LIKE WE'RE REALLY MISSING IT JUST BY PUTTING, YOU KNOW, THREE STORES INTO AN OLD, OLD BUILDING. AND IT'S JUST UNFORTUNATE. BUT WE JUST, I PREFER TO KEEP THEM ALL EQUAL. UM, SO MEMBER NOW I JUST WANT TO BRING UP THE FACT THAT IN THE PAST, WHAT, FIVE YEARS WE AT WASHINGTON SQUARE, UM, THAT SHOPPING CENTER HAD A LOT OF CONTROVERSY ABOUT A GAS STATION GOING INTO THAT WHAT IS NOW A MEDICAL, AN URGENT CARE AND THAT IS SUCH A BETTER USE OF THAT SHOPPING CENTER, THAT LOCATION. AND THERE'S A LOT OF OBJECTION WHEN, UM, THAT APARTMENTS, THE NEW APARTMENTS BEHIND SAFEWAY, WE'RE GOING IN MM-HMM . SO I'M JUST PUTTING IT OUT THERE THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOES NOT WANNA SEE ANY MORE APARTMENTS IN THAT AREA. SO I'M, I'M JUST REMINDING PEOPLE THAT THEY DON'T WANT GAS STATIONS AND THEY DON'T WANT APARTMENTS. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANYONE? I, UH, I JUST WANNA MAKE ONE COMMENT AND YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER THAT EVERYBODY WAS, YOU KNOW, COMPLAINING ABOUT HAVING THOSE APARTMENTS AND ONCE THEY WERE BUILT, IT WAS FINE BECAUSE IT ENDED UP BEING A REALLY NICE NEIGHBORHOOD COMPARED TO, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE ONE STORY, UH, MEDICAL OFFICES THAT WERE JUST TOTALLY OUTDATED. AND IT REALLY MADE THE COMMUNITY, UM, CONNECT BY HAVING THOSE APARTMENTS THERE. BUT THAT WAS NOT THE DISCUSSION. EVERYBODY WAS FEARFUL OF IT. AND SO SOMETIMES WE CAN'T BE SO FEARFUL BECAUSE EVENTUALLY YOU'RE GONNA SEE THAT THAT REALLY INTERCONNECTED ALL OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS. COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE. YEAH. I'LL, I'LL JUST SAY I SUPPORT THE, THE MAKING A UNIFORM WITH THE T FIVE. UM, I MEAN, PEOPLE MAY NOT WANT MORE, PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS GONNA OPPOSE SOMETHING GOING IN NEXT TO THEIR HOUSE. AND AT THE SAME TIME, PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS GONNA BENEFIT WHEN THEY LIVE REALLY CLOSE TO A SAFEWAY. AND SO, UM, THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, I SUPPORT IT. SO, UM, WE'RE USING A LITTLE JARGON HERE AND I'D LIKE TO, FOR THE AUDIENCE AND FOR ME TO KNOW WHAT'S, UH, THE JARGON'S ALL ABOUT. SO THEY'RE, UM, EXISTING TWO DIFFERENT LEVELS ON WASHINGTON AND, AND PLAZA SOUTH. PLAZA NORTH. UM, AND IS T FIVE THE HIGHEST OF THOSE USED? OR IS NO. SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST GONNA CLARIFY. SO AS IT'S RECOMMENDED, UH, IT IS PLAZA NORTH IS URBAN CORRIDOR MIXED USE, WHICH ALLOWS, UM, FIVE STORIES UP TO FIVE STORIES STEP DOWN TO FOUR WHEN YOU'RE ADJACENT TO A RESIDENTIAL ZONE. UM, AND, UH, BETWEEN 30 AND 75 UNITS PER ACRE. UM, THE PLAZA SOUTH AND THE WASHINGTON SQUARE IS PROPOSED AS STEP DOWN MIXED USE, WHICH IS FOUR STORIES STEPPING DOWN TO THREE, WHERE INDICATED ON THE MAP, WHERE YOU SEE THOSE LITTLE THREES, UM, AND IS 20 TO 45 UNITS PER ACRE. SO IF WE WERE CONSISTENT, UM, IT'S EITHER BEING CONSISTENT WITH THE STEP DOWN MIXED USE, OR CONSISTENT WITH THE URBAN CORRIDOR MIXED USE, WHICH I THINK WAS TO ALI'S POINT, UM, AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR AN AREA TO SEE GREATER, GREATER OPPORTUNITY FOR, UM, INTENSITY AND DENSITY SHOULD IT REDEVELOP. SO THAT WOULD BE CHANGING AND BEING CONSISTENT WITH ALL THREE OF 'EM TO THE URBAN CORE CORRIDOR MIXED USE. IS THAT CORRECT, RON? OKAY. SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE, I'M GONNA COME DOWN THIS WAY FOR A MINUTE. DID ANYBODY WANNA WEIGH IN DOWN HERE? COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLY? UM, I, I JUST WANNA PROPOSE THAT WE KEEP THINGS, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORHOOD, COMMERCIAL AND, AND AS THERE'S ZONED AND AREAS THAT ARE, I, THE DISCUSSION'S FUNNY TO ME BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CHANGING THE LAND USE ON AREAS THAT ARE ARGUABLY 15 MINUTE CITIES ALREADY, OR NODES FOR THEM, UM, CHANGING THOSE TO BECOME HOUSING AND THEN OTHER AREAS CHANGING THOSE TO BECOME NODES FOR 15 MINUTE CITIES. SO I, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE TRYING TO FLIP FLOP THINGS AROUND LIKE THAT. I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, AREAS THAT ARE ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL SHOULD STAY AS SUCH. AND YOU KNOW, WE, WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT, AT OTHER PLACES TO DO HOUSING. OKAY. UM, SO, UM, IF YOU'RE FOLLOWING A HOME ALONE, UM, AT HOME, IT'S SLIDE 77 THAT SHOWS THE PROPOSAL FROM STAFF. AND, UM, THAT'S TWO DISSIMILAR. THAT'S THE URBAN CORE AND THE SD UM, [03:25:01] STEP DOWN. THANK YOU. AND, UH, AND SO THE QUESTION IS DO, DO WE NEED TO CONFORM THOSE? I GET WHAT THAT DOES FOR US. I DON'T REALLY HAVE STOMACH FOR RISING IT MORE. I THINK AT SOME POINT WE'VE PUT ENOUGH OPPORTUNITY IN, UH, I WANT TO GET OVER OUR SKIS. THAT'S WHERE I AM ON THIS. SO, UM, YES. COUNCIL MEMBER , WHERE DOES STATE LAW, UM, PLAY INTO THIS? THERE IS ALWAYS THE POTENTIAL THAT STATE LAW COULD IMPACT ONE STATE LAW CHANGES AS WE ARE CONSTANTLY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. UM, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT'S PROPOSED. IT DEPENDS ON WHAT'S REQUESTED. IF, UM, IS IT, UM, SB MAYBE, UM, 79 OR WAS IT 78? UM, 79. 79. SO COULD THAT BE IMPLEMENTED AND SUPERSEDE WHAT WE'RE DOING ANYWAY? UM, SO I THINK THAT SB 79 IS A HALF MILE RADIUS FROM THE STATION, AND I THINK THIS IS OUTSIDE OF THAT HALF MILE. SO I DON'T THINK AS IT'S, AND AGAIN, AS IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN, AS IT'S BEING CONSIDERED TO THE BEST OF OUR UNDERSTANDING AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME. UM, AS 70, IS IT WRITTEN FOR 15 MINUTE HEADWAYS OR IS IT NOT COVER 15 MINUTE HEADWAY TRANSIT? I THINK IT'S, IT'S ONLY AROUND RAIL. UM, IS MY UNDERSTANDING OR AT THIS POINT, SO, OKAY, SO IT'S NOT AROUND TRANSIT, IT'S ONLY AROUND RAIL. AROUND RAIL. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. OKAY, THANKS. ALRIGHT. UM, FOR NOW. RIGHT. EXACTLY. AND YOU, IT'S STATE LAW'S A VERY DIFFICULT THING TO SIT IN FRONT OF YOU AND GIVE YOU A, A WELL-INFORMED RESPONSE BECAUSE IT CHANGES AND WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO PIVOT AND UNDERSTAND AS IT COMES AT US. SO I'VE HEARD ONE PIECE OF CONVERSATION IS THEY SHOULD ZONE THE SAME. UM, MY PIECE CONVERSATION IS I DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT ANY MORE DENSE THAN IT IS. WHO'S GOT AN OPINION THAT CAN KIND OF BRING THAT TOGETHER? DO WE WANT TO RAISE IT TO ALL THE URBAN CORE ELEVATED LEVEL, OR DO WE WANNA LEAVE IT LIE WHERE IT IS I NEED TO HELP HERE? I KINDA LIKE CONSISTENCY AND THEY'RE ALL SHOPPING CENTERS. THEY'RE ALL CONGLOMERATED AROUND THE SAME AREA. YOU WOULD WISH TO RISE THE OTHER TWO TO THE LEVEL. AND, AND SO IS IS THAT THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL TO RISE THE OTHER TWO? UM, I WOULD MAYBE IF, IF, IF WE'RE GONNA KEEP 'EM ALL EQUAL, I'D ACTUALLY GO WITH THE LOWER AMOUNT MYSELF, THE FIVE STORY INSTEAD THE SIX STORY. UM, AND THAT, THAT MIGHT WORK THERE. UM, OR JUST IF YOU'RE GONNA SEPARATE OUT THE SIX, JUST DO THE ONE. I DON'T THINK THE SIX IS GOING TO BE, UM, I THINK THE PUBLIC'S GONNA START OUTCRY IF WE SAY ALL SIX, ALL RESPONSE. THAT'S WHERE I'M THEN, SO NONE OF THEM ARE SIX. I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR. SO THE THING WE'RE CHOOSING BETWEEN IS THE URBAN CORE PART AND THE STEP DOWN PART. IT'S THE URBAN CORRIDOR WOULD ALLOW UP TO FIVE AND THE STEP DOWN MAXES OUT AT FOUR. OH YEAH, THAT IS FINE. I THOUGHT THAT THOUGHT THAT WAS ONE OF THE, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SIX STORIES NOW. NO. SO WE'RE TALKING, SHOULD WE CHANGE 'EM TO ALL GO UP TO FIVE OR SHOULD WE CHANGE 'EM TO ALL GO DOWN TO FOUR? IT'S FIVE WITH A STEP DOWN BEFORE. YEAH. YEAH. I I THINK WE SHOULD LET THINGS LIE AS YOU STARTED TO SUGGEST. JUST OKAY. JUST SO WAY IN. MY, MY MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE THAT WE, UH, HAVE THEM ALL BE THE URBAN CORRIDOR, BUT UH, YEAH. I'M, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S EITHER YEAH, MY FIRST CHOICE WOULD BE URBAN CORRIDOR. MY SECOND CHOICE WOULD BE AS PROPOSED. SAME. AND, AND, AND THEN, AND JANICE HAS ALREADY WEIGHED IN ON THAT. AND JOHN, UM, URBAN CORE FIVE IS YOURS TOO. UM, YEAH. UM, I THINK ON A PRACTICAL BASIS IT'S, WE'RE JUST OFFERING A LOT MORE THAN WHAT'S ALREADY THERE. OKAY. SO I, I'D GO WITH ANYTHING'S GONNA WORK. ARE WE INCLUDING THE OMA BOULEVARD NORTH WHERE THE OLD LUCKY'S IS? ARE WE ASKING NO, NO. THIS IS, THIS IS STRICTLY THE TWO SHOPPING CENTERS ON WASHINGTON. I KNOW, BUT WOULD WE BE, BECAUSE I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF GOING, UM, DENSER IN AND CHANGING THOSE TWO ON THE EAST SIDE, BUT I AM OPEN TO THE ONE ON THE WEST SIDE. OKAY. WELL, UM, RIGHT NOW WE'RE ONLY WORRIED ABOUT PLAZA PLAZA SOUTH AND WASHINGTON. SO I, I WANT IT TO STAY NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL. WELL, UM, SO THE CHOICES IS STEP DOWN, THE FOUR STORY ONE [03:30:01] OR URBAN CORE, THE FIVE STORY ONE. WELL, I THINK THAT I HEARD FOUR MEMBERS. YEAH, THAT'S ME TOO. THE COUNCIL SAY THAT THERE FIRST CHOICE WOULD BE TO MAKE ALL THREE OF THEM URBAN CORRIDOR MIXED USE. YEAH. AND, AND YEAH. AND WOULD THAT BE 45 FEET, ALL THREE OF THE PARCELS? UM, URBAN CORRIDOR? UM, NO, THAT'S GOES UP TO 60. AND THE FOUR WHO SAID THEY WERE URBAN CORE UNDERSTOOD. IT WAS 60 AND WE'RE, I'D SUGGEST WE MOVE ON. WE HAVE A LOT TONIGHT, SO I JUST WANNA BE SUPER CLEAR BECAUSE IT'S NOT URBAN CORE. 'CAUSE WE DO HAVE AN URBAN CORE. IT'S URBAN CORRIDOR MIXED USE IS WHAT I THINK WE'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT. YES, YES. OKAY. APPRECIATE YOU KEEPING ME ON TARGET. THE UC MU GROUPING. OKAY. UM, SO THAT, UM, I THINK WAS THE LAST OF THESE NODES. IS THAT RIGHT? OKAY. SO STEPH, ANY, ANY, UH, THOUGHTS? WE'RE MOVING INTO THE NEXT SECTION. WE'RE MOVING TO THE NEXT SECTION. WE'RE MOVING INTO THE HARD SECTION. NO, IT'S EASY SECTION. OKAY. UH, IF YOU COULD JUMP TO SLIDE 42, HEATHER? YEAH. OKAY. SO, UM, WELL THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR THAT DIRECTION. VERY USEFUL. UH, SHIFTING GEARS NOW TO, UM, SEGMENT TWO FOCUSED ON THE LAND USE DESIGNATION STANDARDS. UH, THOSE ARE THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ASSOCIATED WITH, UM, THE DESIGNATIONS. WE WERE JUST DEBATING ABOUT WHICH APPLY ARE, WHICH SHOULD BE APPLIED MOST APPROPRIATELY IN WHICH AREAS IN THE CITY. UM, AND IN YOUR, UM, BRIEFING BOOK AS A SIMPLE SUMMARY OF THE PROPOSED DESIGNATION STANDARDS ON PAGES SIX THROUGH NINE, THIS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, UM, BUT JUST A QUICK REFRESHER. UM, EACH PARCEL WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE URBAN GROWTH, UH, BOUNDARY FOR THE CITY HAS A LAND USE DESIGNATION ASSIGNED, AND IT PROVIDES THE GENERAL PROVISIONS FOR MIX OF USE, PERMITTED AND INTENSITY. UM, AND THIS IS REFLECTED ON THE LAND USE MAP THAT IS AT THE HEART OF THE LAND USE ELEMENT OF THE, AND OF THE GENERAL PLAN. AND THEN, AS HEATHER MENTIONED EARLIER, THE ZONING CODE THEN IS UPDATED TO REFLECT THE DESIGNATIONS, UM, SPECIFIED IN THE GENERAL PLAN LAND USE MAP. AND THIS IS ALL IMPORTANT BECAUSE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT DECISIONS, INCLUDING SPECIFIC PLANS, ZONING, ACTIONS, ET CETERA, ALL NEED TO BE CONSISTENT, UH, WITH THE LAND USE MAP WITHIN THE GENERAL PLAN. UM, SO ONE OF YOUR ATTACHMENTS TONIGHT, I THINK IT'S ATTACHMENT FOUR, IS THE, AS HEATHER REFERENCED EARLIER, THE, UM, ATTACHMENT THAT DETAILS THE STANDARDS FOR EACH OF THE DESIGNATIONS, UM, PROPOSED FOR THE UPDATED GENERAL PLAN. AND IN THAT TABLE, THE UNDERLINED, UM, ITEMS, UM, AND THE BOLDED ITEMS IDENTIFY CHANGES EITHER FROM THE EXISTING GENERAL PLAN OR FROM THE DESIGNATIONS STANDARDS THAT WERE PROPOSED IN THE DRAFT LAND USE ELEMENT LAST SUMMER. AND AGAIN, REALLY BRIEFLY. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. UM, HEATHER, AS HEATHER SAID EARLIER, ALL OF THIS WORK THAT WE'VE DONE ON THESE IS COMPLETELY DRIVEN BY THE VISION. UM, ORIGINALLY IDENTIFIED, UM, BASED ON COMMUNITY INPUT DRAFTED BY THE GPAC AND AFFIRMED BY CITY COUNCIL IN THE CONTEXT OF LAND USE DESIGNATION STANDARDS. UM, THAT THAT MEANS WE'RE MAKING EVERY EFFORT TO ALLOW MORE DENSE INFILL DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY CORE NEAR TRANSIT HUBS AND ALONG CORRIDORS ALLOWING FOR THE INTEGRATION OF HOUSING INTO EXISTING SHOPPING CENTERS, AS WE JUST DISCUSSED AT LENGTH, ALLOWING FOR A MIX OF HOUSING CHOICES, TYPES, SIZES, AND UH, AND, AND LEVELS OF AFFORDABILITY. AND IN MAINTAINING AN ACTIVE GROUND FLOOR, UM, WHERE IT, IT MAKES SENSE AND IS FEASIBLE. SO, UM, THE LAND USE CHART, UM, EVOLVED FROM THE CHART THAT WAS IN THE DRAFT LAND USE POLICY FRAMEWORK, UM, THAT WENT OUT FOR PUBLIC REVIEW LAST SUMMER. PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS HAVE BEEN IN RESPONSE TO THE PUBLIC REVIEW AS WELL. AS HEATHER MENTIONED EARLIER, EXTENSIVE DISCUSSION, UM, BY THE GPAC OVER A SERIES OF SEVERAL MEETINGS. SHOULD ALSO NOTE, UM, THAT OVER THE COURSE OF YOUR DISCUSSION OF SEVERAL OF THE AREAS OF CHANGE THROUGHOUT THE CITY AT THE PREVIOUS TWO WORKSHOPS, YOU'VE ALREADY [03:35:01] PROVIDED US SOME VERY USEFUL GUIDANCE AS IT RELATES TO THE STANDARDS FOR THE GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATIONS. SPECIFICALLY, YOU'VE ALREADY TOLD US THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO RETAIN THE PROPOSED NEW MAKER MICRO BUSINESS DESIGNATION, BUT YOU WANTED TO ADJUST SOME OF THE ALLOWED USES AND THE ALLOWED HEIGHT. SO WE WILL MAKE THAT CHANGE. YOU ALSO AFFIRMED THAT YOU WANTED TO RETAIN THE BUSINESS PARK DESIGNATION. SO WE ARE RETAINING THAT YOU AFFIRMED THAT YOU WANTED TO RETAIN THE FOUR STORY MAXIMUM HEIGHT IN THE DOWNTOWN MIXED USE DESIGNATION, AND THAT YOU THOUGHT THE, UM, UP TO EIGHT STORIES THAT WOULD'VE BEEN PERMITTED IN THE STATION MIXED USE DESIGNATION WAS NOT APPROPRIATE AND THAT THE CITY SHOULD NOT CREATE THAT NEW DESIGNATION. AND SO WE WILL MAKE ALL OF THOSE REVISIONS BASED ON YOUR PREVIOUS GUIDANCE RELATED TO THE STANDARDS. I'M NOT GONNA SPEND A GREAT DEAL OF TIME ON THE DETAILS OF THESE STANDARDS TONIGHT. JUST REALLY WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT, UM, SOME OF THE MOST SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES, UM, FROM YOUR CURRENT, UM, GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATION STANDARDS. UM, CHANGE IS PROPOSED TO THE RESIDENTIAL DESIGNATIONS ARE GENERALLY LIMITED TO MODIFICATIONS TO DENSITY STANDARDS IN ORDER TO ALLOW A SLIGHT INCREASE IN MAXIMUM DENSITY FROM WHAT IS ALLOWED UNDER THE EXISTING GENERAL PLAN. FOR INSTANCE, IN THE MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DESIGNATION, WE'RE GOING FROM A MINIMUM OF 8.1 TO A MINIMUM OF 12 AND FROM A MAXIMUM OF 18 TO 22. LIKEWISE, IN THE HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DESIGNATION GOING FROM 18.1 TO 22.1 AND FROM 30 TO 45, UM, THESE INCREASES ADDRESS COMMUNITY CONCERN THAT LOWER DENSITY DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN, WAS BEING APPROVED IN CITIES LIMITED, UM, AVAILABLE RESIDENTIAL SITES, PARTICULARLY IN KEY AREAS WHERE PEOPLE THOUGHT THAT HIGHER DENSITY WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE, HEATHER. AN ADDITIONAL NUANCE, UH, FOR THE RESIDENTIAL DES DESIGNATIONS WAS, UM, IS TO MORE CLEARLY IDENTIFY THE TYPES OF RESIDENTIAL USE THAT ARE PERMITTED IN EACH OF THE DESIGNATIONS. UM, AND THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH A POLICY IN THE DRAFT LAND USE POLICY FRAMEWORK AS WELL AS PROGRAM FOUR OF THE HOUSING ELEMENT, BOTH OF WHICH SEEK TO ENCOURAGE THE EFFICIENT USE OF RESIDENTIAL AND MIXED USE LAND TO FACILIT BY FACILITATING THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE UPPER END OF THE DENSITY RANGE. UM, AND FOR INCREASING INCREASE, ESTABLISHING, EXCUSE ME, INCREASED MINIMUM DENSITIES FOR MULTIFAMILY AND MIXED USE ZONES THAT WILL ENSURE THE EFFICIENT USE OF THE CITY'S MULTIFAMILY LAND. AND SO AGAIN, THROUGH EXTENSION, EXTENSIVE DISCUSSION WITH THE GPAC, WE THOUGHT IT WAS HELPFUL TO CLARIFY AS THE CHART ON THIS SLIDE SHOWS, UM, THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF RESIDENTIAL UNIT TYPE THAT SHOULD BE ALLOWED, UH, IN EACH OF THE DESIGNATIONS. MOVING FROM OBVIOUSLY THE LOWER INTENSITY TYPES AT THE LOWER INTENSITY DESIGNATIONS UP TO THE HIGHER CORRESPONDING WITH A HIGHER INTENSITY DESIGNATIONS. SO, UM, FOR MIXED USE, MOVING FROM RESIDENTIAL TO MIXED USE. NOW FOR MIXED USE, THERE WERE REALLY THREE MAJOR ADJUSTMENTS MADE. AND ONE OF THESE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT EXTENSIVELY ALREADY. AND THAT'S REALLY THE FIRST ONE OF ALIGNING THE MIXED USE DESIGNATIONS IN THE GENERAL PLAN WITH THOSE THAT ALREADY EXIST IN THE, UH, ZONING CODE AND THE SMART CODE. I'M NOT GONNA GO INTO THIS IN DETAIL, BUT CHANGES IN STATE LAW HAVE NECESSITATED THAT WE MAINTAIN PRETTY CLEAR CONSISTENCY BETWEEN THE TWO BECAUSE LANDOWNERS HAVE THE RIGHT TO GO WITH WHICHEVER HAS GREATER FLEXIBILITY. AND SO IT BEHOOVES THE CITY TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THOSE IN THE GENERAL PLAN AND THEN UPDATE THE ZONING CODE ACCORDINGLY. UM, SO THAT RESULTED IN AN INCREASE FROM WHAT CURRENTLY IS A SINGLE MIXED USE DESIGNATION AND THE GENERAL PLAN TO, UM, WHAT I THINK IS CURRENTLY SEVEN, WE'D ORIGINALLY PROPOSED EIGHT AND ELIMINATED THE STATION MIXED USE PER YOUR DIRECTION. UM, AND THEN RELATED TO THAT, BUT SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, UM, WE ADDED A FEW ADDITIONAL NEW DESIGNATIONS. AND THIS IS THE SECOND MAJOR CHAIN CHANGE IN RESPONSE TO COMMUNITY INPUT. AND WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT EACH OF THESE NEW DESIGNATIONS ALREADY. SO I'M NOT GONNA GO INTO GREAT DETAIL. BUT THAT INCLUDES THE STEP DOWN MIXED USE, WHICH ALLOWS A, A GREATER INTENSITY, BUT THEN ACCOMMODATES THE, UH, UH, THE NEIGHBORING USES BY REQUIRING THE STEP DOWN THE OR URBAN CORRIDOR MIXED [03:40:01] USE, WHICH WE JUST DISCUSSED AT LENGTH AND ITS APPLICABILITY, UM, IN ALONG MAJOR CORRIDORS IN THE CITY. AND THEN THE FLEX, WHICH WE'VE TOUCHED ON SOME, UH, DESIGNED TO BE A POTENTIAL OPTION FOR SOME OF THE HISTORICALLY AGRICULTURAL OR INDUSTRIAL SITES THAT WOULD ALLOW, UH, NEARLY ALL USES WITH THE EXCEPTION OF HEAVY INDUSTRIAL. WE AREN'T CURRENTLY PROPOSING, UH, ANY SITE WHERE THAT WOULD BE THE DESIGNATION, BUT WE WANTED TO CREATE IT TO ALLOW FOR THAT FLEXIBILITY, THE FLEXIBLE USE IN THE FUTURE. THE THIRD AND AND FINAL MAJOR ADJUSTMENT WE MADE WITH MIXED USE, UM, WAS TO BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT WHERE THE ACTIVE, UH, AN ACTIVE GROUND FLOOR IS REQUIRED. AGAIN, THIS IS BASED LARGELY ON EXTENSIVE GPAC DISCUSSION, ROOTED IN WHAT MANY PERCEIVED AS A LOT OF CONFUSION CURRENTLY ABOUT HOW WHEN PEOPLE HEAR MIXED USE IN PETALUMA, THEY TEND TO ASSUME THAT IT'S REQUIRED GROUND FOR RETAIL, UH, WITH RESIDENTIAL ABOVE. AND SO THEY THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO CLARIFY THAT THAT SHOULDN'T ALWAYS BE THE CASE. UM, AND SO THEY WENT INTO GREAT DE DETAIL IDENTIFYING, YOU'LL SEE THIS IN THE CHART, UM, WHERE ACTIVE USE SHOULD BE REQUIRED. THEY ALSO GREATLY EXPANDED THE DEFINITION OF THAT GROUND FLOOR ACTIVE USE FROM WHAT CURRENTLY IS, IS LARGELY ORIENTED TOWARDS RETAIL TO EXPAND IT TO A VARIETY OF USES THAT RESULT IN ACTIVE, UH, GROUND FOOT TRAFFIC, UM, TRA GROUND FOOT TRAFFIC, UM, UH, THROUGHOUT THE DAY. AND THAT COULD INCLUDE RETAIL, BUT ALSO OTHER TYPES OF SERVICES. COWORKING GYM OR FITNESS FACILITIES, CHILDCARE LIBRARIES, OTHER TYPES OF COMMUNITY SPACE. UM, BUT NOT INCLUDING USES LIKE OFFICES WHERE PEOPLE LARGELY ARE COMING AND GOING JUST AT THE BEGINNING OR THE END OF THE WORKDAY. UM, SO ALL OF THAT GREAT COMM GPAC INPUT IS, IS REFLECTED IN THE SPECIFICATION. I THINK IT'S IN THE FINAL COLUMN OF YOUR MIXED USE DESIGNATION TABLE. IDENTIFYING WHERE AND OF WHAT, WHAT'S, WHAT INTENSITY AND ACTIVE GROUND FOR USE IS REQUIRED. UM, SO WHAT WOULD BE MOST HELPFUL FROM THE COUNCIL THIS EVENING IS, UH, FEEDBACK SPECIFIC TO SOME OF THESE MAJOR ADJUSTMENTS WE'VE MADE IN, UH, THESE VARIOUS TYPES OF DESIGNATIONS. WE KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS HAVE COME UP AND I'M SURE WE'LL DISCUSS THEM TONIGHT ABOUT THE KIND OF THE SPECIFIC NUMBERS, THE QUANTITATIVE NATURE, SOME OF THE SPECIFIC, UM, YOU KNOW, MINIMUMS AND MAXIMUMS AND SOME OF THE FAR, UM, IT'S DIFFICULT FOR US TO COMMIT LIKE JUST TONIGHT TO LIKE THE FEASIBILITY OF SOME OF THOSE ADJUSTMENTS. BUT WE'D LIKE TO HEAR IS LIKE THAT YOU'D LIKE MAYBE TO LIKE TO SEE A GREATER OR LESSER, UM, IN A CERTAIN AREA. 'CAUSE WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND DO SOME CALCULATIONS TO CONFIRM THAT THERE'S KIND OF INTERNAL CONSISTENCY BETWEEN THE MINIMUM MAXIMUM DENSITY, THE HEIGHTS AND THE FAR TO MAKE SURE IT ALL WORKS TOGETHER NICELY AND, AND ALLOWS FOR FEASIBLE DEVELOPMENT. UM, IN THAT SPIRIT, WE DO ANTICIPATE THAT THERE MAY BE SOME CHANGES IN THE QUANTITATIVE STANDARDS BASED ON ALL THE, UH, FEEDBACK YOU'VE GIVEN US OVER THE COURSE OF THE THREE WORKSHOPS. AND SO WHEN THEY COME BACK TO YOU, UH, IN A FEW MONTHS, DON'T BE SURPRISED IF THERE'S SOME SOME TWEAKS AND ADJUSTMENTS. UM, ONE GOOD EXAMPLE IS THE DOWNTOWN MIXED USE DESIGNATION WHERE THE FAR IS CURRENTLY THREE. WE'VE LOOKED AT IT MORE CLOSELY RECENTLY AND WE THINK IT'S LIKELY POSSIBLE TO MOVE THAT TO FOUR, WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR A LOT TO LOT DEVELOPMENT UP TO FULL FOUR STORIES, UM, AS IS SOMETIMES ALREADY SEEN IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. AND SO THAT'S ONE EXAMPLE OF WHERE WE ALREADY KNOW, WE THINK WE MIGHT MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT, UM, IN THE, IN THE STANDARDS WHEN YOU, WHEN WE RETURN TO THEM, UH, TO YOU WITH THEM IN THE, UH, IN THE FALL, UM, TO HELP COUNCIL MEMBERS GET A, IN THE PUBLIC, GET A BETTER FEEL FOR HOW THESE STANDARDS TRANSLATE INTO THE FORM OF BUILDING BUILDINGS. WE PUT A LOT OF VISUALS IN THE BRIEFING BOOK AND I HAVE SOME SLIDES TONIGHT THAT ARE LARGER, YOU KNOW, HIGHER DEFINITION MAY BE A LITTLE EASIER TO SEE, WHICH I'M HAPPY TO RUN THROUGH. BUT BEFORE I GET INTO THOSE VISUAL EXAMPLES OF, OF WHAT TYPES OF BUILDINGS WOULD BE PERMITTED IN EACH DESIGNATION, LET ME PAUSE, UH, TO SEE IF THE GP TEAM HAS ANYTHING TO ADD TO MY QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE MAJOR SHIFTS IN THE RESIDENTIAL AND MIXED USE DESIGNATIONS. UH, THANK YOU RON. UM, I THINK THE THING THAT I WANNA IMPRESS TO THE COUNCIL IS AS WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WE'VE REALLY BEEN FOCUSED ON REAL EXAMPLES THAT, THAT WE RUN INTO AND WHERE OUR CURRENT GENERAL PLAN MAY NOT GET US WHERE WE THINK IS WHERE WE WANT TO GO. UM, AND THEN WE'LL PAUSE AND WE'LL, WHAT ARE WE PROPOSING IN THE, [03:45:01] IN THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE AND WOULD THAT GET US, UH, TO WHERE WE WANNA GO? AND SO SOME OF THE THINGS LIKE WITH RON'S REFERENCE TO THE FAR, UM, SOME OF THE THINGS AROUND DENSITY, YOU KNOW, WE RECENTLY HAD A DOWNTOWN PROPERTY OWNER APPROACH US ABOUT ADDING RESIDENTIAL UNITS ON TOP OF THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL. AND WHAT OUR CURRENT CODE SAID WAS, WELL, YOU COULD ADD ONE UNIT UP TO, I THINK IT WAS SOMETHING LIKE 4,000 SQUARE FEET. AND WE SAID, WELL THAT'S, THAT'S NOT THE VISION, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO HERE, RIGHT? WE WANT, WE WANT RESIDENTIAL ABOVE SOME OF THESE, UM, EXISTING COMMERCIAL, BUT WE DON'T WANNA INCENTIVIZE, YOU KNOW, A MONSTER UNIT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE WANT TO INCENTIVIZE SMALLER UNITS. WE WANNA, YOU KNOW, NOT NOT INCREASING HEIGHT OVER WHAT'S ALLOWED ANY OF THAT. SO I JUST WANNA IMPRESS UPON YOU THAT WE ARE KIND OF REALLY LOOKING AT THE REAL LIFE EXAMPLES AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND TRYING TO IDENTIFY WHERE THINGS AREN'T WORKING, WHERE THINGS WHERE WE NEED TO BUILD MORE FLEXIBILITY IN, UM, SO THAT WE MAKE SURE IT WORKS MOVING FORWARD. IS THERE A FEW MORE SLIDES? UH, WE JUST HAVE SOME VISUAL EXAMPLES OF WHAT SOME OF THE, WHAT, WHAT THE BUILDING TYPES I NEEDED, UH, WOULD, WOULD, COULD POSSIBLY RESULT THROUGH SOME OF THESE. AND I'LL, I CAN RUN THROUGH THESE REALLY QUICKLY. SO THE FIRST COUPLE ARE EXAMPLES THAT COULD BE BUILT IN EITHER THE MINI OR THE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER MIXED USE DESIGNATION. AND THIS WOULD ALLOW UP TO THREE STORIES. UM, AND AGAIN, THESE ARE, THE MINI CENTER DESIGNATION IS DESIGNED FOR SMALLER LOTS AND LARGELY SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO INTEGRATE SOME MIXED USE, SOME, SOME LOCAL SERVING RETAIL PERHAPS, AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER MIXED USE WE'VE DISCUSSED ALREADY. UM, AND THIS IS PROPOSED TO BE USED ALONG PETAL PARTS OF PETALUMA BOULEVARD, NORTH PETALUMA BOULEVARD, SOUTH AND EAST WASHING WASHINGTON CORRIDORS. UM, THOSE SECTIONS THAT ARE, UH, INTENDED ARE ENVISIONED TO BE SLIGHTLY LOWER INTENSITY. THE NEXT SLIDE PROVIDES SOME ADDITIONAL EXAMPLES OF DIFFERENT BUILDING FORMS, BUT ALL CONSISTENT WITH THE STANDARDS, UH, OF THE MINI OR NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER MIXED USE DESIGNATION. THE NEXT SLIDE, UH, IS, ARE SIMILAR EXAMPLES BUT OF SLIGHTLY MORE INTENSE, UM, DESIGNATIONS INCLUDING STEP DOWN DOWNTOWN AND TOWN CENTER, ALL OF WHICH HAVE A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF FOUR STORIES. UM, AGAIN, DOWNTOWN IS INTENDED PRIMARILY FOR THE DOWNTOWN AREAS AND INTENDED TO RETAIN, UH, THE FORM THAT YOU'RE USED TO SEEING IN THE DOWNTOWN. AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT STEP TOWN, UH, EXCUSE ME, STEP TOWN, UM, MIXED USE AND TOWN CENTER MIXED USE AS WELL. AND THESE TYPES OF DESIGNATIONS WOULD BE APPLIED IN AREAS THAT NEAR THE SMART STATION AT THE RIVER PARK AND IN HIGHER INTENSITY SECTIONS OF SOME OF THE CORRIDORS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED, AS WELL AS, AS WE'VE NOTED JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO, HIGHER INTENSITY CENTERS LIKE THE PLAZAS AND THE, UH, BOWL ALLEY AND VETERAN CENTER AND LAKEHORN. AND I THINK THE NEXT SLIDE IS ADDITIONAL EXAMPLES, SIMILAR, UH, SIMILAR BUILDINGS THAT MEET THE SAME STANDARDS BUT OF DIFFERENT FORM. AND THEN MOVING ON, UH, TO THE LAST SET, THIS IS EXAMPLES OF SOME FIVE STORY BUILDINGS. UH, LARGELY I BELIEVE IN A MIXED USE CONFIGURATION. AND THIS IS WHAT THAT URBAN CORRIDOR MIXED USE DESIGNATION, UM, WOULD ALLOW, UM, THIS FOSTERS GROUND FLOOR ACTIVITY, UH, WITH HIGHER QUALITY PEDESTRIAN FRONTAGES. AND THIS, THIS CURRENTLY IS PROPOSED TO BE APPLIED ALONG THE MCDOWELL CORRIDOR, AS WE JUST DISCUSSED NEAR THE SMART STATION AS WELL. AND I THINK THE FINAL SLIDE IS MORE EXAMPLES OF THAT SAME THAT WOULD CONFORM WITH THOSE SAME STANDARDS. AND THE FINAL SLIDE IS THIS WOULD ONLY BE PERMITTED IN, UH, VERY CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE SMART STATION WHERE IT'S ALREADY PERMITTED AS PART OF THE CENTRAL PETALUMA SPECIFIC PLAN IN THE T SIX, T, T FIVE AND T SIX, UH, ZONE. SO THIS, THIS IS NO CHANGE, JUST GIVING AN EXAMPLE OF MIGHT BE WHAT MIGHT BE, MIGHT, WHAT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE IN PETALUMA. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO THAT, THAT CONCLUDES THAT SEGMENT, MAYOR. UM, AND, AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE OPEN TO DISCUSSION OF THOSE SPECIFICS BUT DIDN'T HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. YEAH, SURE. WE WANNA COME BACK AND PEEK AT THE, SOME OF THOSE SLIDES. AGAIN, THAT'S ACTUALLY QUITE A COLLECTION OF SLIDES. UM, AND SO I'D LIKE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS SECTION AND I'D LIKE THE CLERK TO ALLOW FOR THAT. AND, UH, THE AUDIENCE WELL AWARE THAT THIS IS THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO COME FORWARD. I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE WARREN GRANITE, UM, TO COME FORWARD NOW. [03:50:04] THANK YOU FOR STAYING WITH US TO THIS HOUR. WELL, THANK YOU ALL FOR THE TIME THAT YOU HAVE PUT INTO THIS, UH, MAYOR MCDONALD'S CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND ALL THE STAFF THAT HAVE SPENT SO MUCH TIME WORKING ON THIS. UM, MY NAME IS WARREN GRANITE. I AM HERE ON BEHALF OF THE PETALUMA AREA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. I SERVE AS THE CHAIR OF ITS GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS COMMITTEE. UM, AND I'D LIKE TO JUST START BY PROVIDING A LITTLE BACKGROUND, AT LEAST AS FAR AS MY COMMENTS TONIGHT, OR TO TRY TO PUT A LITTLE BIT IN CONTEXT AS A CHAMBER. WE ARE AN ORGANIZATION THAT IS FOCUSED ON SUPPORTING THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY. WE'RE FOCUSED ON TRYING TO CREATE A VIBRANT ECONOMY AND TO SUPPORT A VIBRANT ECONOMY. UH, WE'RE NOT A LAND USE ORGANIZATION. AND UH, SO THAT KIND OF OVERLAYS ON TOP OF THAT. UM, WE HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TRYING TO TRACK THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE PROCESS. UH, WE HAVE PARTICIPATED AND PROVIDED COMMENTS ON OTHER SECTIONS OF THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE. AND WHEN LAND USE CAME ALONG, UH, WE RECOGNIZED IT AS A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF SUPPORTING THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND A VIBRANT ECONOMIC ELEMENT OF THE CITY. AND SO, UM, AS A START, UM, WE INVITED AND WE WERE VERY THANKFUL FOR, UM, HEATHER HINES RHINO FOR SHOWING UP TO ONE OF OUR MEETINGS. AND WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT, UH, THIS UPDATE AND ALL THAT'S GOING ON. AND IT'S REALLY A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF THE MORE YOU LEARN, YOU REALIZE THE LESS, YOU KNOW, UM, THIS IS EXTRAORDINARILY COMPLICATED AND IT'S REALLY HARD TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BE, UM, TO, TO, TO CREATE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S GOING ON SO THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE USEFUL COMMENTS, UM, YOU KNOW, COMMENTS OUT OF CONTEXT, COMMENTS WITHOUT REALLY FULLY UNDERSTANDING. THE LARGER PICTURE, I THINK CAN OFTEN BE MORE DAMAGING THAN USEFUL. UM, AND AS I'VE LISTENED TO THE CONVERSATION TONIGHT, AND IT JUST REMINDED ME HOW INTERNET CONNECTED EVERYTHING IS. AND SO, UM, WE DECIDED TO, UH, FOCUS ON, ON THE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS AS A PLACE WHERE WE COULD POTENTIALLY PROVIDE SOME USEFUL COMMENTARY. AND AS WE SPENT MORE TIME LOOKING AT IT, UM, AND WE REALLY FOCUSED A LOT ON, UM, INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL AND A BIT ON MIXED USE. UM, AND I, I WILL TELL YOU THAT WE DO NOT, WE DID NOT COME UP WITH ANY SPECIFIC CHANGES OR CHANGE OR, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW TO CHANGE THOSE SPECIFIC LAND USE DESIGNATIONS. UM, THEY SEEM TO, THERE WAS, WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T IDENTIFY A SPECIFIC PLACE WHERE THEY, THEY APPEAR TO BE A PROBLEM. BUT WHAT WE DID COME TO UNDERSTAND AND AND TONIGHT'S CONVERSATION HAS BEEN REALLY INTERESTING, IS THIS WHOLE NOTION OF FLEXIBILITY. AND I, AND WHEN I FIRST STARTED TO COME, WHEN I FIRST SHOWED UP HERE AND I WAS PLANNING TO GIVE COMMENTS, MY, MY, UM, MY THOUGHT WAS THAT I WAS GOING TO BE CHEERING ON FLEXIBILITY. AND AS THE COMMENTS TONIGHT HAVE ALL BEEN FOCUSED ON FLEXIBILITY. AND SO I I I, I WANT TO APPLAUD THAT AND I WANT YOU GUYS TO CONTINUE TO KEEP FOCUSED ON THAT BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THAT'S WHAT PROVIDES, UM, THE ABILITY TO ADAPT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE LEARNED SINCE THE LAST GENERAL PLAN UPDATE IS THAT THERE IS, THERE IS INCREASING ACCELERATION ON THE VELOCITY OF CHANGE. AND WHAT WE THOUGHT ABOUT BACK THEN DIDN'T, DOESN'T WHAT, WHAT WE HAVE NOW DIDN'T EXIST THEN. NOBODY WAS TALKING ABOUT ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE. NOBODY WAS TALKING ABOUT BIOMEDICAL. AND AS I POINT OUT IN OUR LETTER, NO ONE'S REALLY TALKING ABOUT FOOD TRUCKS. I MEAN, SO I MEAN, THE, THE CHANGES CAN BE VARIED AND VAST. AND SO TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE ALL THOSE THINGS IS IMPORTANT. ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TALKING EARLIER THAT IF THE GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATION DOES NOT ACCOMMODATE A PARTICULAR USE, THERE IS AN ENTITLEMENT PROCESS BY WHICH SOMEBODY NEEDS TO GO THROUGH. BUT THAT'S COMPLICATED, THAT'S EXPENSIVE, THAT'S A DETERRENT, [03:55:01] RIGHT? AND WHAT YOU, WHAT WE SOMEHOW NEED TO BE ABLE TO DO IS ALLOW FOR THAT FLEXIBILITY. BUT A LOT OF THE CONVERSATION TONIGHT HAS BEEN ON, UH, RESIDENTIAL AND MIXED USE TYPE OF THINGS. THERE'S NOT BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATION ON COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL. AND I THINK THAT ALSO NEEDS TO BE PART AND PARCEL OF THAT CONVERSATION BECAUSE WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT HOW THE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS ARE GOING TO ALLOW FOR THESE BUSINESSES THAT WE, WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT NOW, EXCUSE ME, THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT NOW, BUT WILL EXIST IN THE FUTURE. AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE DIFFERENT KINDS OF DEMANDS AS FAR AS WHAT THEIR SETUPS ARE, WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE AS FAR AS THEIR USE, AND, AND, AND IN, AND MAYBE IN WAYS THAT WE JUST CAN'T IMAGINE NOW. SO I RE OR MY REQUEST, OR OUR REQUEST IS THAT, THAT WE, THAT THE CITY TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE AREAS AND TAKE A LOOK AT HOW THAT FLEXIBILITY IS BEING INCORPORATED INTO THOSE PLACES WHERE BUSINESSES ARE GOING TO NEED TO SET UP AND ESTABLISH THEMSELVES. SO, UM, THANK YOU. DID I USE, IS THAT MY THREE MINUTES? THAT'S MY SIX , MY APOLOGIES. OH NO. I'M NORMALLY BETTER AT PAYING ATTENTION TO HOW LONG I'VE BEEN TALKING. NO, GREAT POINTS. THANK YOU. UM, SO THANK YOU AND, UM, THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK. THANK YOU FOR THE LETTER AS WELL. UM, AND, UH, WE HAVE VERONICA OLSON TO SPEAK. HI, GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. UM, I JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT THE DESIGNATION FOR THE WASHINGTON CORRIDOR AS YOU ENTER INTO TOWN. AND I NOTICED I, I MISSED IT THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE, BUT, UM, IT'S DESIGNATED AS URBAN CORE MIXED JUICE, UM, FOR A SECTION OF, OF THE SPACE IN WASH AT THAT WASHINGTON WHERE, WHERE YOU ENTER INTO TOWN. SO MY QUESTION IS, WHAT ABOUT THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE FOR THAT CORRIDOR? IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE THESE, YOU KNOW, TWO VERY TALL BUILDINGS COMING INTO TOWN, WHAT IS THAT GONNA FEEL LIKE? SO I'M, I'M REALLY WANNA RAISE THE POINT THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT ALL THESE DENSITIES AND HEIGHTS, BUT IF WE DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA FEEL LIKE AND HAVE A WAY OF VISUALIZING THAT FOR OUR COMMUNITY, UM, WE'RE MISSING SOMETHING BECAUSE IT'S, AND THE OTHER OTHER PART OF IT IS EXTRAPOLATING ALL THIS DENSITY AND UNITS, HOW MUCH MORE ARE WE ACTUALLY ATTRACTING IN TERMS OF PEOPLE COMING TO LIVE HERE VERSUS WHAT OUR JOBS HOUSING BALANCE IS GOING TO MEASURE UP TO FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE CURRENTLY WORKING HERE? AND WE DIDN'T, WE HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED ABOUT THAT, AND I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT'S GONNA BE ADDRESSED. THANKS. AND, UM, IF I MAY ASK, WHILE YOU'RE STILL AT THE PODIUM, UM, WHEN YOU SAY ENTERING TOWN, DO YOU MEAN EXITING THE FREEWAY? NO, I'M, I'M TALKING ABOUT WASHINGTON, WASHINGTON AT, RIGHT BEFORE PETALUMA BOULEVARD. AH, THERE'S A SECTION ON THE MAP WITH DARK PURPLE ALL THE WAY AROUND. AND I'M WONDERING WHAT THE, WHAT THE, UM, I GUESS IDEA WAS FOR THAT VERSUS KEEPING IT ALL THE SAME. SAME, YEAH, THANK YOU. I WAS JUST CONFUSED AT THE LOCATION YOU WERE REFERENCING. YEAH. SO IT WAS, IT WAS JUST LIKE, WHAT WAS THE THOUGHT BEHIND THAT? UM, 'CAUSE IF WE THINK ABOUT THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE FROM, FROM THE STATION AND WE'RE GOING UP TO 70 FEET ON WASHINGTON BOULEVARD AND ON D STREET, AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE STUFF ADJACENT TO IT, WHAT'S THAT GONNA FEEL LIKE? AND I THINK WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, SEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY REALLY WANTS TO HAVE OR DO WE WANNA GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT AND THEN GO, I, I MEAN, I, I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON THE EXACT SCENARIO, BUT I JUST WANTED TO POSE THAT QUESTION TO COUNCIL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT SEGUE BACK TO THE COUNCIL IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, MUCH AS I APPRECIATE THE GENERAL G A'S EFFORTS TO DATE AND, UM, AND THEIR SUCCESS AND, AND, AND COMPROMISE ON THEIR, THEIR WORK. UM, AND AT THIS POINT THEIR SORT OF ADVOCATES FOR THE CHANGE. AND, UM, COUNSEL, AS WE GET INTO THIS AND CONCLUDE OUR, OUR PART RIGHT NOW CONCLUDE OUR WORKSHOP AND COMMENTS, WE BECOME ADVOCATES FOR THE THING WE DECIDE HERE ARE THE STRAW POLLS WE TAKE AND THE ADVICE WE GIVE. WE'RE MOVING INTO AN ADVOCATE ROLE FOR THIS GENERAL PLAN, AND THAT'S NOT TO BE OVERLOOKED. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, ASK STAFF TO ADDRESS, UH, THE COMMENT ABOUT COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL. UM, I KNOW I TOURED, UH, [04:00:01] WHITE INDUSTRIES, WHICH IS A BICYCLE PART MANUFACTURER, AND I COULDN'T BELIEVE THAT THAT KIND OF MACHINING AND, UM, UH, STEEL SUPPLY, ALUMINUM TUBING SUPPLY, I MEAN, JUST THE HEAVY INDUSTRY THAT HAPPENS INSIDE OF A WAREHOUSE'S HAPPENING IN PETALUMA. AND, UH, HOW DOES ANY OF OUR EFFORT AFFECT WHAT WE CONSIDER OUR, UH, COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL BASE? WELL, MUCH OF THAT ISN'T PROPOSED FOR, IT WILL BE A LATERAL CHANGE. IT'LL, IT'LL REMAIN. SO REALLY THE COMMERCIAL THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT, UM, MODIFYING HAS BEEN IN SOME OF THESE AREAS OF CHANGE. FOR INSTANCE, UH, LAKEHORN IS CURRENTLY COMMERCIAL AND WE JUST TALKED ABOUT CHANGING IT TO A MIXED USE TO ALLOW COMMERCIAL USES, BUT ALSO MIXED USES. BUT MUCH OF THE OTHER COMMERCIAL AREAS OR INDUSTRIAL AREAS ARE NOT PROPOSED FOR CHANGE FROM WHAT THEY CURRENTLY ARE DESIGNATED. UH, THERE WILL BE SOME OPPORTUNITY TO PERHAPS REFINE, UM, PERMITTED USES THAT, THAT KIND OF STUFF THROUGH THE ZONING CODE UPDATE FOR THOSE AREAS. UM, BUT THERE IS NOT AREAS, THERE'S NOT, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR LARGER CONCENTRATION OF INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY SOUTH ON LAKEVILLE, FOR INSTANCE, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING THAT TO CHANGE DESIGNATIONS. THANK YOU. AND, UH, NOW I'LL BRING BACK UP TO, TO COUNCIL QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER CATER THOMPSON, I JUST HAVE A COMMENT. THE OTHER NIGHT AT THE MAYORS AND COUNCIL MEETING, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT WAS GONNA BE HAPPENING IN SONOMA COUNTY AND HOUSING AND ARE WE GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, WHAT LEVELS AT WHAT YEAR? AND SO I THOUGHT IT WAS AN IMPORTANT CONVERSATION AND IT KIND OF SEGUES INTO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, TONIGHT ON DEVELOPMENT IN OUR TOWN AND BEING CLOSE TO THE SMART STATION. HOW MANY MORE PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE MORE BUSINESSES IN SONOMA COUNTY, SO PEOPLE ARE NOT GONNA BE COMMUTING OUT IS WHAT I HEARD. AND IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S THE THEME. AND YOU KNOW, WITH THE SMART TRAIN GETTING TO HILBERG AND THEN TO CLOVERDALE, I MEAN, IT'S REALLY GONNA CHANGE THE WAY THE ECONOMICS IS AND HOW WE ACTUALLY DEVELOP. AND THE WASHINGTON CORRIDOR IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, UM, BECAUSE IT'S NEXT TO THE SMART STATION AND DENSITY IS IMPORTANT. UM, I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHAT, UM, MS. OLSON WAS SAYING AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE? I MEAN, THIS IS, YOU KNOW WHAT, I KNOW THAT I'VE TALKED ABOUT JUST THE WASHINGTON CORRIDOR, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THESE BLIGHTED PROPERTIES UP AND DOWN THE CORRIDOR, AND SAME WITH, YOU KNOW, PETALUMA BOULEVARD. YOU COULD SAY THAT IN SOME AREAS ARE BLIGHTED AND IT REALLY IS ABOUT, IT'S ABOUT THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE, BUT IT'S ALSO ABOUT THE, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE ECONOMICS AND WHERE WE'RE REALLY GOING AND WHAT IS THE PROJECTION FOR SONOMA COUNTY. AND IF MORE PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE LIVE WORKING HERE, THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE MORE HOUSING NEXT TO OUR RAIL STATIONS. BUT THE WASHINGTON CORRIDOR IS REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF POTENTIAL THERE AND THERE'S WAY TOO MUCH BLIGHT. YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT ABOUT THE POPULATION, BUT ALSO THE DEMOGRAPHICS, THE INCOME, UH, THE ABILITY TO BE HOUSED IN THE COMMUNITY AT ALL FACTORS INTO THIS. UM, COUNCIL MEMBERSHIPS. OKAY, A COUPLE COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS, I GUESS. UM, IT'S, UH, I THINK THE DISCUSSION SO FAR AS WE'RE SEEING THAT WE'RE TAKING BASICALLY HOUSING, INCREASING THE DENSITY, THAT'S WHAT DISCUSSION SO FAR IN THIS PARTICULAR UNIT. UM, BUT AS WAS POINTED OUT, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ALL THE OTHER LAND USES. UH, THERE'S OPEN SPACE, LAND USES, IS THERE A PARKING LOT, LAND USE? UH, IS THERE, UM, A PARK LAND USE THAT THAT WE'RE GONNA BE KEEPING MAINTAINING? AND THEN, UM, A QUESTION CAME UP ON, IF WE HAVE A COUPLE AG SERVICES IN TOWN THAT ARE TAKEN CARE OF, THEY HAVE RAIL TO THESE SPOTS, THE APPROPRIATE USE OF THAT LIGHT MIGHT BE HEAVY INDUSTRY METALLURGY OF SOME SORT FACTORY IN THOSE LOCATIONS. THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. IT HAS RAILROAD 'CAUSE DOWN THE ROAD 20 OR 30 YEARS NOW, WE MAY HAVE TO HAVE OUR OWN, 'CAUSE WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GET IT FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE, LIKE CHINA, WHATEVER. SO FOR SUSTAINABILITY, DO WE WANT TO INCLUDE AT LEAST THE POSSIBILITY OF AG SERVICE TO HEAVY INDUSTRY ON THOSE PARTICULAR SITES IN CASE WE NEED THEM 30 YEARS FROM NOW? SO THAT'S JUST AN IDEA TO THROW OUT THERE FOR THE MOMENT. UM, I WANTED TO SUPPORT ABOUT THE LIVABILITY AS WE'RE BUILDING, WE'RE BUILDING UP ON ALL THESE QUARTERS AND EVERYTHING, KEEPING IT, MAKE SURE YES, ABSOLUTELY THE LIVABILITY SO THAT THE DESIGN [04:05:01] HAS TO BE APPROPRIATE FOR OUR LIVABILITY, PEDESTRIANS, AND BICYCLES. THAT HAS TO BE MANDATORY. PART OF THE, UM, WHEN WE SAY, OH, WE CAN INCREASE DENSITY, INCREASE DENSITY, THE OTHER HALF OF IT IS, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA KEEP IT. SO LIVABLE DENSITY, NOT JUST ANY DENSITY. OKAY. SO I I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT ON THERE. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER ONE, UH, NEXT QUESTION WAS ON, UM, THERE BETWEEN RURAL, VERY LOW AND LOW, BASICALLY, ARE ALL SINGLE FAMILY, UM, HOUSE ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY? DO WE HAVE, ARE WE GONNA HAVE ANY WITH THOSE DESIGNATIONS ANYMORE? OR IS ARE WE GONNA ACTUALLY CONVERT AND SAY EVERY, WE'RE NOT GONNA REQUIRE IT ONLY TO BE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. EVERY PROPERTY CAN BE TURNED INTO A DUPLEX OR QUADRUPLEX IN THE ENTIRE CITY. SO HOW ARE WE GOING TO DEAL WITH THOSE THREE DESIGNATIONS? OR IS THERE GONNA BE ANY OF THOSE ACTUALLY LEFT IN OUR CITY LIMITS AT ALL? OR ARE WE JUST GOING TO SAY EVERYTHING? EVERY, OKAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE CAN GO FOR AN ANSWER. YEAH, LET'S GO FOR AN, ANYWAY, I'M JUST ONE OUT TIME IF YOU WANNA, I CAN REPEAT WHATEVER THOSE ARE THINGS FLOATING UP IN MY HEAD RIGHT NOW. UH, YEAH, GREAT POINTS AND GOOD QUESTIONS. SO TO ADDRESS YOUR FINAL QUESTION, UM, STATE LAW HAS MORE OR LESS ANSWERED THAT QUESTION FOR EVERY CITY IN THE, IN THE STATE. SO SB NINE, UH, BASICALLY ALLOWS BY RIGHT DEVELOPMENT OF UP TO FOUR UNITS, UM, ON MOST, UH, RESIDENTIALLY ZONED LOWER, LOWER DENSITY RESIDENTIALLY ZONED PARCELS. SO IN THE THREE THAT YOU IDENTIFIED, UH, WERE ALL RESIDENTIAL VERY LOW AND LOW, UM, UH, UP TO THOSE FOUR UNITS, IT IT'S MUCH MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT. BUT IN SIMPLE TERMS, UM, FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, UM, THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY REMAINING ZONES WHERE YOU COULD ONLY BUILD SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, RIGHT? SO INSTEAD OF PROPOSING THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE THOSE ZONES DESIGNATED, WHY DON'T WE JUST ELIMINATE 'EM? IF WE CAN'T HAVE 'EM, WHY DO WE EVEN HAVE THOSE IN OUR DESIGNATIONS? THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION. UM, WE JUST, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AT LENGTH, . OKAY, SO ONE, THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT HAS COME UP, UM, FROM THE START, RIGHT? I THINK THERE'S A NUMBER OF CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY, UM, SACRAMENTO, MINNEAPOLIS, UM, WITH THIS IDEA THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, LET'S ABOLISH SINGLE FAMILIES OWNING. UM, ONE APPROACH THAT WE FOUND, UM, THROUGH THIS PROCESS OVER THE FOUR YEARS IS IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, THERE'S ENOUGH INCENTIVES CREATED THROUGH VARIOUS STATE LAW OVER, YOU KNOW, THE HANDFUL OF YEARS THAT WE DON'T NEED TO GO ALL THE WAY TO THAT. UM, AND ESSENTIALLY, I MEAN, WE DON'T, I'D LOVE TO GET A MAP UP, BUT TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE REALLY FOCUSED ON, AND THERE'S A RE INTENTION AROUND WHY WE FOCUSED ON A SMALL SEGMENT OF THE AREAS OF CHANGE BECAUSE EVERYTHING ELSE WITHIN THE CITY IS NOT BEING PROPOSED TO BE RE-DESIGNATED IN SOME WAY. SO, UM, I DON'T WANT TO, I CAN'T SHOW THIS MAP. I HAVE, WE USED TO HAVE THE MAP UP HERE, BUT , IT'S ALL THE YELLOW, RIGHT? ALL THE SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS, UM, PROLIFERATED, YOU KNOW, OVER, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE DECADES. WE AREN'T PROPOSING TO RE-DESIGNATE THAT TO ANYTHING MORE BECAUSE, UM, WE FEEL BASED ON THE VISION THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS OUTLINED FOR HOW WE WANNA ACHIEVE AND ACCOMPLISH A 15 MINUTE CITY, THERE ARE POLICIES THAT WE CAN, UM, UH, ADOPT, UM, IN THE NEAR TERM THAT ESSENTIALLY DOES WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHICH IS, UM, TO, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD DUPLEXES, YOU KNOW, FOR PLEXES, UM, BASICALLY ANYWHERE IN TOWN. BUT WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING COUNCILMAN WOULD TAKE THAT, UM, EVEN FURTHER TO SAY, UM, IF THERE'S A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE LIVE IN, UM, UH, WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GONNA LIMIT THAT TO SAY THAT THERE'S NOT EVER GOING TO BE SINGLE FAMILY. SO YEAH, HERE'S THE PHOTO THAT'S, UM, THE MAP THAT'S UP, UM, THE PURPLE OUTLINES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN SPENDING THE LAST THREE WORKSHOPS ON. THOSE ARE WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED TO CHANGE. ALL THOSE OTHER COLORS, UM, ARE BEING PROPOSED TO REMAIN THE SAME. UM, AND THAT COVERS EVERYTHING. OPEN SPACE PARK, PUBLIC SPACE, PUBLIC FACILITIES, COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL REALLY GOOD POINTS, UM, THAT HAPPEN TO RAISE BOTH HERE, UM, WITH THE COUNCIL, BUT ALSO WITH THE PUBLIC, UM, AROUND HOW DO WE STRIKE THAT BALANCE, RIGHT? THE FIRST BIG STEP THAT THE COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY, [04:10:01] UM, UH, PUSHED FORWARD WAS OUR, UM, EXTENDING OF OUR URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY. WE DON'T WANT TO GO OUT ANYMORE. UH, WE WANNA RETAIN THE CITY LIMITS EXCEPT FOR SOME EXPANSION, FUTURE ANNEXATION, UM, FOR REALLY GOOD REASON. AND WE CAN ADDRESS THAT AT A LATER DATE. UM, BUT REALLY WE NEEDED TO GROW FROM WITHIN AND THAT'S WHERE WE KIND OF CAME UP WITH WHAT'S BEEN, THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION FOR YOU, UH, SORT OF, UH, I WOULD WANNA PROPOSE, BUT, UH, WHAT I'VE BEEN LEARNING FROM ALL THE HOUSING WEBINARS I'VE GONE TO, THAT THE NUMBER ONE WAY TO, UH, CHANGE OUR SYSTEM TO GET AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS NOT LARGER BUILDINGS. NOT SIX STORIES, BUT PUSHING IN DUPLEXES, QUADPLEXES ALL OVER THE PLACE, EVERYWHERE WE CAN POSSIBLY PUT IT IN ANY LOT THAT'S GONNA HAVE A A, A SINGLE HOME REMOVED AND IT'S SOMETHING ELSE PUT IN ITS PLACE IS ACTUALLY THE BIGGEST FACTOR FOR GETTING AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO LET ME ASK YOU, SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I, I ALWAYS, WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS MAYBE WE REMOVE THAT ZONING ENTIRELY, THE SINGLE FAMILY ZONING AS . SO CAN I ASK, ARE YOU PROHIBITING SINGLE FAMILY DRILLINGS, RIGHT? OR ARE YOU, UM, UM, I MEAN, 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE STATE HAS ALLOWED FOR DUPLEXES, THE STATE HAS ALLOWED FOR JUNIOR A D ALL ALL THAT LOTS SPLIT EVEN. DO YOU WANT TO NOT HAVE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING? UH, THAT'S WHAT I'M RECOMMENDING. IF WE REALLY WANT TO ADVERTISE FOR A DEVELOPER TO COME IN TO HELP US WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WE HAVE TO SAY, ADVERTISE AND SAY, HEY, COME ON IN. WE'RE NOW ALL OUR SINGLE FAMILY LOTS ARE NOW ZONED AS A POSSIBILITY OF DUPLEXES AND QUADPLEXES AUTOMATICALLY, YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO ASK. AND SO WE NEED TO ADVERTISE THAT IF THAT'S WHAT WE REALLY WANNA DO TO INCREASE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. RIGHT? LET'S GET, SO ANYWAY, THAT'S, WE'RE GONNA DO STRAW POLLING TONIGHT ON A VARIETY OF THINGS. SO WHY DON'T WE, UH, YEAH. UM, GET A FEW MORE OPINIONS FROM COUNCIL WHERE IT'S GOING AND THEN, UM, YES, CHECK WITH STAFF ON LEGALITY OF THAT AND A FEW OTHER TRICKS. UH, ANYBODY ELSE ON COUNCIL WANNA WEIGH IN ON THAT PROPOSAL? UH, DID, UH, UH, MR. CITY ATTORNEY DID I SEE YOU COMING OUTTA THE CHAIR? UM, EXCUSE ME. I WAS JUST GONNA NOTE REALLY QUICKLY THAT THIS, UM, THE STATE LAW HAS ALREADY DONE THAT FOR US AND WE WON'T DISTINGUISH OURSELVES BY, BY MAKING THAT CLAIM. UH, WHAT THE MAYOR WAS, I BELIEVE ASKING YOU COUNCIL MEMBERSHIPS, IS IF YOU WANTED TO GO A STEP FURTHER AND TO NOT JUST ALLOW SUBDIVISION OF THOSE LOTS OF UP TO FOUR UNITS, BUT BUT TO, UM, SET SOME KIND OF MINIMUM OR PRECLUDE THE STANDALONE POTENTIAL STANDALONE UNITS THAT WE WOULD NOW PERMIT. CORRECT. THERE WAS NO MORE DEVELOPMENTS OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. OKAY. SO AS A DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S THE PROPOSAL IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL. YEAH. YOU'RE ASKING US TO DEFINE IT AS NO SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING ON ANY LOT IN TOWN. STR POLL. CAN I SEE A SHOW OF HANDS SUPPORTING THAT OR WANTING TO DI DISCUSS THAT? COUNCIL HAVE QUESTION. SO, UM, IF, UH, WOULD THAT PR WOULD, IF IF I'M A HOMEOWNER AND I'VE GOT A, A HOUSE THAT I WANT TO TEAR DOWN AND REBUILD, UM, WOULD THAT PRECLUDE ME FROM DOING THAT? UM, NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT ANY, UH, VACANT LOT THAT WOULD BE DEVELOPED THAT IT'S NOT BE ALLOWED TO BE JUST SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING MORE AND THAT OPEN THE DOOR FOR IF YOU WANT TO DO, UH, NOT REQUIRED TO BE LIKE REPLACE WITH A SINGLE FAMILY, BUT, UM, TO ADVERTISE THAT WE WOULD ENCOURAGE MULTIPLEXES. YEAH, I GUESS MY ONLY COMMENT WOULD BE, I MEAN, THERE ARE SEVERAL SMALLER LOTS AROUND TOWN AND UH, YOU KNOW, AND IF THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEMBER WHO BOUGHT ONE OF THOSE LOTS AND WANTED TO BUILD, YOU KNOW, AND, AND IF IT'S A, I DON'T KNOW, 4,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT AND THEY WANTED TO BUILD A SINGLE HOME ON THAT VACANT LOT, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'D BE READY TO STAND UP AND PROHIBIT THEM FROM DOING THAT. I, IDEALLY, I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE HOUSING, BUT I DON'T WANNA PROHIBIT A A AN INDIVIDUAL IN OUR COMMUNITY FROM BUILDING A HOUSE ON A LOT. YEAH, I AGREE ON, ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS. I'M TALKING ABOUT, UM, LA LIKE, LIKE CASA GRANDE SITE THAT SOMEONE WOULD COME IN AND JUST, OKAY, NO, WE'RE NOT GONNA ALLOW SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ONLY ON THAT SITE. ALSO, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT REMEMBER LIKE THE, THE SITUATION IN WHICH, UM, LOTS ZONE FOR, UM, SINGLE FAMILY UNITS ARE SUBDIVIDED, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY LITTLE PARCEL MAPS SPLITTING 'EM INTO FOUR LOTS. THOSE ARE STILL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, SINGLE FAMILY PARCELS. THEY'RE [04:15:01] JUST MORE OF 'EM. YEAH. SO IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S MORE COMPLICATED. DO YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN? SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT AN ELIMINATION OF SINGLE FAMILY UNITS, IT'S, IT'S A ALLOWING SMALLER ONES ON A PARCEL BASIS. RIGHT? RIGHT NOW, UM, I THINK FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THE, THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE IS THAT WE HAVE 75% PLUS OF OUR LAND DESIGNATED A SINGLE FAMILY HOME ZONING. AND THAT THE BIGGEST THING WE NEED, WE NEED TO CHANGE THAT ZONING IF WE WANNA GET ANYWHERE, REALLY, TO YOUR POINT, COUNCIL, COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, UH, UH, A ANOTHER STRATEGY, IF I'M HEARING YOU CORRECT, MIGHT BE LET'S KIND OF WITH A FINE TOOTH CONE, MAKES SURE THERE'S NO LARGE LOTS, LARGE VACANT LOTS THAT ARE DESIGNATED SINGLE FAMILY . SO THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, MUCH OF THE YELLOW THAT WAS IN, UH, ON THE MAP THAT RON HAD UP OR EXISTING LOTS. THEY'RE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY LOTS. THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT LARGE LOTS WHERE SOMEBODY'S GONNA COME IN AND BUILD 25 SINGLE FAMILY HOME SUBDIVISIONS. THEY'RE, THEY'RE A 4, 5, 6, 7, MAYBE 8,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT THAT HAS A EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON IT. UM, AND WITH THE STATE LAW IN PLACE, THEY, THEY NOW CAN DO A DUPLEX, A-A-A-D-U, A J, A DUA, I THINK EVEN A FOURPLEX. AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW ALL OF THE, THE SIZE REQUIREMENTS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT THERE'S MORE AND MORE, AND WE HAVE POLICIES IN THE LAND USE FRAMEWORK THAT TALK ABOUT THAT AND POINT TO THAT. AND THAT'S PART OF THE EVOLUTION OF THOSE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS. THERE'S A DIFFERENCE TOO, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT LARGER UNDEVELOPED PARCELS AND MAKING SURE, OKAY, THIS ISN'T JUST ONE PERSON BUILDING ONE SINGLE FAMILY HOME. THIS IS A SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. AND THAT'S WHY ONE OF THE REASONS WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT IT AND WE TOOK OUT, CURRENTLY, IF YOU CAN HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN THE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, YOU CAN HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN THE HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL IS THE WAY OUR CURRENTLY OUR ZONING CODE IS SET OUT. AND WE SAW SOME OF THOSE MEDIUM AND HIGHER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES BE DEVELOPED WITH SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. AND OUR CODE WAS PERMISSIVE TO THAT. SO THERE WASN'T MUCH WE COULD DO. AND SO WE HEARD THAT CONCERN FROM THE COMMUNITY AND HAVE LOOKED TO CHANGE THAT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT HAVING SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES AS A PERMITTED USE IN OUR MEDIUM OR HIGHER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL PARCELS. SO THAT WE'RE NOT FOR THAT. LET'S SWING OVER HERE TO COUNCIL MEMBER BARNELL FOR A MINUTE. UM, I LIKE WHERE YOU'RE GOING, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER SCHIBS. UM, I TOO, I I SORT OF SIDE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER QUINT THAT I DON'T THINK WE WANNA PROHIBIT SOMEONE FROM BUILDING A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, BUT, UM, I WAS JUST GOD LOVE CHAT, GPT, IT HELPS WITH THE, THE COMPLEXITY THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WARREN. UM, AND IT, IT GAVE ME A SIDE BY SIDE OF HOW SB NINE AND WHAT SACRAMENTO ABOLISHING SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DID. AND, UM, WHAT IT APPEARS TO ME IS, IS THAT IT JUST GIVES, IT MAKES IT SIMPLER, RIGHT? LIKE YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH A LOT SPLIT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO, UM, LIKE PRETTY MUCH, IT JUST MAKES IT SIMPLER TO DO THAT. SO, UM, THAT'S ONE THING I DO THINK WE SHOULD CONSIDER, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE ON OUR AFFORDABILITY KICK AND LIKE WE'VE SPENT THREE MEETINGS TALKING ABOUT LIKE A FEW DIFFERENT AREAS OF CHANGE AND THAT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, A SMALL FRACTION OF OUR ENTIRE CITY AND THE LAND THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US. SO I DO SUPPORT WHAT COUNCIL MEMBERSHIPS WHERE HE IS GOING AT LEAST WITH THIS. UM, THE OTHER THING THAT JUMPS OUT TO ME IS, UM, I DEFINITELY WANNA SEE US LIKE, LIKE BRING OUR MINIMUM LOT SIZE DOWN CITYWIDE. I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE ANYTHING OVER 1700 SQUARE FEET FOR A MINIMUM LOT SIZE. UM, THAT FEELS LIKE PRETTY, PRETTY EASY TO DO. AND WE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STARTING TO GET DOWN TO, YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS CANVASSING IN MY LAST ELECTION, UH, A GUY, I TALKED TO HIM AND HE AND I SAID THIS AND HE SAID, UM, AFTERWARDS, HE SAID, YEAH, IF YOU REDUCE THE MINIMUM LOSS SIZE, IT'S FROM, YOU KNOW, 4,500 TO 1700, YOU'RE SHAVING AT A HUNDRED THOUSAND TO $150,000 OFF THE SALES PRICE. AND HE WAS THE ACQUISITION SPECIALIST FOR KB HOMES. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WHEN I WENT UP TO TALK TO HIM, BUT IT WAS LIKE, HOLY SMOKE. IT'S LIKE, OKAY, THERE'S A HOUSING POLICY THAT I WANNA SEE ACTUALLY IMPLEMENTED, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOW MUCH R TWO WE HAVE IN THE CITY. SO, UM, I WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO SEE US TAKE ON SOME OF THESE THINGS IN, IN THE SINGLE FAMILY ZONE. UM, AND I DON'T HAVE THE PERFECT PROPOSAL, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE ZONING CODE'S FOR. [04:20:01] BUT UM, I DEFINITELY DON'T WANNA JUST SEE US SIT ON OUR HANDS WITH IT. ALL RIGHT, NICE MAYOR. UM, IN OUR, UM, CURRENT DEMOGRAPHICS, OUR SENIOR POPULATION IS LOOKING TO DOWNSIZE TO GO FROM THEIR LARGE TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY HOME TO A ONE STORY, A DA FRIENDLY AND ONE LEVEL. AND IF IT'S CLOSE TO TRANSPORTATION, THAT WOULD BE A PLUS, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE GOTTA THINK ABOUT. UM, FOR AN EXAMPLE, JUST IN MY FAMILY, MY UM, SISTER AND BROTHER-IN-LAW, THEY SOLD THEIR 5,000 SQUARE FOOT LARGE HOUSE, EMPTY THEIR EMPTY NESTERS THAT WAS OVER BY THE AIRPORT IN TURTLE CREEK, AND THEY COULD NOT FIND A SINGLE LEVEL HOME NEW TO BUY IN PETALUMA. SO THEY MOVED TO COFFEE PARK, WHICH IS LOTS OF LITTLE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN LOTS AFTER THE FIRE. THEIR, UH, MY NIECES, BOTH TEACHERS, THEY COULD NOT FIND A STARTER HOME AND THEY WERE LOOKING AT ALL THE NEW HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS IN PETALUMA AND NOTHING FIT. THEY WANTED A SINGLE LEVEL THINKING AHEAD, TWO, THREE BEDROOMS. THEY ENDED UP BUYING OVER BY THE GREEN MUSIC CENTER IN RUNNER PARK AND THEY, THERE WAS INCENTIVES FOR, UM, NEW BUYERS AND FOR EDUCATORS OR, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC SERVANTS, UM, EMPLOYEES. SO THAT'S WHAT WE ALSO WANT TO THINK ABOUT IS THOSE STARTER HOMES FOR OUR EMPLOYEES, FOR OUR STAFF, FOR OUR TEACHING FACULTIES AND FOR OUR SENIOR POPULATION. SO I DON'T AGREE THAT WE NEED TO ELIMINATE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES BECAUSE THERE MIGHT BE A NEED. THEY DON'T WANT TWO TO 5,000 SQUARE FEET, TWO STORY, YOU KNOW, JACK AND JOE BATHROOMS BECAUSE THEY'RE ONLY GONNA HAVE ONE KID OR TWO. SO WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT WE WANT AS SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND WHAT THE DEMOGRAPHICS IS PROJECTING. SO SMALLER FAMILIES AND SENIORS. OKAY. UM, WOW. COMPLICATED. UH, SO THE STATE, UM, HAS DRIVEN RULES THAT SHOW PERMISSIVENESS TO DO ALL KINDS OF INTERESTING THINGS WITH WHAT WAS SINGLE FAMILY, BUT WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE WANNA TRY AND DO SOMETHING PROHIBITIVE TO PREVENT YOU FROM NOT DOING THE, THE, THE, THE MORE THING. AND UM, AND, AND I AGREE THE GOAL IS TO, UH, DECREASE LOT SIZE AND TO, UM, DECREASE HOUSE SIZE, UM, FOR ME TO, FOR A PRICE POINT ISSUE. AND, UM, THERE ARE PROBABLY SEVERAL WAYS TO SKIN THAT, UM, EFFORT. AND, UM, I'M NOT SURE PROHIBITIVE EFFORTS ARE MY FIRST CHOICE. INCENTIVIZING THAT IS A GOOD CHOICE. UM, BUT, UM, BUT FINDING THE BALANCE FOR HOW, HOW YOU DEFINE THINGS LIKE STATE ALLOWS, UM, A LOT SPLIT. AND I THINK IT'S PRETTY MUCH BY, RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A 5,000 SQUARE FOOT, UH, LOT AND YOU SPLIT IT, IT WOULD NOT BE IMPOSSIBLE TO INCORPORATE COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLES, UH, PROPOSAL THAT IT'D BE 1,730 300 SITTING IN THE, THE REMAINDER OR THE ORIGINAL PARCEL STAYS LARGE-ISH. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ONE WOULD BE SPLIT AT A LATER DATE, BUT, UM, UM, BUT AT LEAST THE NEW HOUSE WOULD COME IN AT AN AFFORDABLE POINT IF WE CHOSE TO STAY AT 1700. BUT WE DIDN'T, BUT WE DIDN'T SAY YOU CAN'T BUILD SINGLE FAMILY. WHAT WE SAID WAS YOU DID A LOT SPLIT AND IT KIND OF LEADS YOU TO AFFORDABILITY. SO I'M IN ANY WAY TO FIND AFFORDABILITY BY DESIGN. I'M KIND OF INCLINED TO VOTE FOR THAT. UM, SO, UH, CAN YOU HELP BRING US AROUND TO A LAND USE DECISION THAT WE'RE, UM, TRYING TO DISCUSS TONIGHT FROM WHAT YOU'RE HEARING? WELL, I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS LOOK TO INCREASE POLICIES ABOUT STREAMLINING PROCESS, REDUCING LOT SIZE, THOSE KIND OF THINGS IN THE, IN THE ZONING CODE. LET ME ACTUALLY ASK THIS IN A DIFFERENT WAY. IS THERE AN ACTIONABLE THING TONIGHT OR IS THIS FEEDBACK FOR A CONTINUING DISCUSSION? AND I'LL GO TO COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE FIRST. YEAH. UH, MY QUESTION, I KEEP THINKING LIKE WE'RE, WHEN I LOOK AT THE DENSITY, LIKE IF A 1700 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM LOSS SIZE IS LIKE 25 UNITS ACRE, IF WE APPLY THAT TO ALL OF [04:25:01] OUR R TWO, WHERE IT'S CURRENTLY 6,000 SQUARE FEET, LIKE, AND WE GET STARTED ON THE EIR, THE GENERAL PLAN IN EIR AND THEN WE DECIDE LATER IN THE GENERAL, IN THE ZONING CODE UPDATE THAT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THIS CHANGE. AND WE ARE ESSENTIALLY WHAT, LIKE TRIPLING THE DEN THE POTENTIAL DENSITY IN OUR R TWO ZONE, RIGHT? LIKE, ARE WE GONNA HAVE TO GO BACK AND REDO THE EIR? THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S MY, MY QUESTION IS, IS LIKE HOW MUCH LIKE DO WE HAVE TO SET TONIGHT SO THAT YOU CAN GET GOING ON THE EIR AND BE LIKE, YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD ON THAT. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO ULTIMATELY. RIGHT? YEAH. VERY GOOD, VERY GOOD POINT. LET'S COME UP. DO YOU NEED TO? YES. OKAY. UM, IF I MAY, UM, YOU RAISE A REALLY GOOD, GOOD POINT ABOUT, ABOUT THIS. UM, YOU'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT INCREASING THE DENSITIES IN THE LOWER END OF THE RESIDENTIAL RANGE RIGHT NOW. UM, NOW, BECAUSE OTHERWISE, AS YOU SAID, IT MAY BE AN ISSUE IN THE EIR LATER. UM, CAN WE USE THE MICROPHONE? YEAH, SORRY. I HAVE A, UM, THE DENSITIES IN THE RESIDENTIAL RANGE WILL NEED TO BE INCREASED RIGHT NOW IF WE WANT TO CONSIDER SMALLER LOT SIZES LATER ON IN THE ZONING CODE. COULD, COULD, UM, COULD YOU SAY, SAY MORE? I DIDN'T QUITE FOLLOW WHAT THAT MEANT. YEAH, I'M SORRY. I'M HAVING A SLIGHT . YES. UM, SO CURRENTLY THE RESIDENTIAL ZONES, ESPECIALLY AT THE LOWER END OF THE RANGE, HAVE VERY LOW DENSITIES, WHICH REQUIRE VERY LARGE LOT SIZE, MINIMUM LOT SIZES. AND IF THE GOAL IS TO CREATE SMALLER LOT SIZES LATER ON, UH, THOSE DENSITIES WILL NEED TO INCREASE IN THE GENERAL PLAN SO THAT THEY CAN BE ANALYZED IN THE EIR AND THEN LATER IMPLEMENTED IN THE ZONING CODE, EVEN THOUGH THE STATE ALLOWS FOR THAT ALREADY. UM, THE, WHAT STATE ALLOWS THROUGH SP NINE IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WAY OF INCENTIVIZING MORE HOUSING. WHAT IT SAYS IS, WHAT SP NINE SAYS IS YOU CAN TAKE ANY LOT AND SPLIT IT INTO TWO, UH, AS LONG AS EACH LOT IS AT LEAST 1400 SQUARE FEET. SO IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY, IT ALLOWS FOR THOSE LOTS TO BE SPLIT. IT ALSO ALLOWS FOR EVERY LOT TO HAVE, UM, UP TO FOUR UNITS BUILT ON IT. SO TWO DUPLEXES EACH, OR A COMBINATION OF LOOP DUPLEXES, JUNIOR ADUS, AND PRIMARY UNITS. SO YOU CAN GET UP TO FOUR UNITS ON A LOT USING S SP NINE, BUT THE LOT SPLIT THROUGH SP NINE IS LIMITING IN HOW IT'S DONE. UH, YOU CAN ONLY LOT SPLIT ONCE, SO IF YOU HAVE A BIG LOT, SAY A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT, YOU CAN ONLY SPLIT IT ONCE USING SB NINE. BUT IF YOU HAVE A MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF, LET'S SAY 2,500 SQUARE FEET, THEN YOU CAN HAVE FOUR LOTS ON THAT 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT. SO IT HAS SOME ADVANTAGES, BUT IT ALSO HAS SOME LIMITATIONS. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER DE CARLY. I AM JUST WONDERING, ARE ARE WE THINKING ABOUT THIS IN ANY SPECIFIC CONTEXT OR IS THIS JUST SOME THOUGHTS OUT IN THE ETHER, YOU KNOW, ABOUT, ABOUT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES? UM, YOU KNOW, I I I THINK WE'RE, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY A MUCH MORE COMPLICATED THING THAN WHAT WE COULD DISCUSS TONIGHT. I MEAN, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD BE TALKING ABOUT WHAT, WHAT'S AN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE. YOU COULD HAVE SOMEBODY PURCHASE A LOT OR A VICTORIAN HOME SOMEWHERE AND AND THEN WANT TO TEAR DOWN A VICTORIAN HOME AND BUILD SOMETHING IN ITS PLACE. AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF US HERE WANT THAT. I MEAN, THAT'S PART OF THE CHARACTER OF PETALUMA. UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT JOHN BROUGHT UP THAT I'VE, I'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE IS ON A DIFFERENT SUBJECT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, PRESERVING INDUSTRY, BE IT AG OR WHATEVER ALONG ALONG THE RAIL CORRIDOR. AND I THINK THAT THAT'S WORTH A CONVERSATION, UM, BECAUSE IT IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT MODE OF TRANSPORTATION, IT'S IMPORTANT TO SMART. UM, THEY NEED FREIGHT, YOU KNOW, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T JUST BE SO FOCUSED ON HOUSING THAT WE FORGET WHERE'S EVERYBODY GONNA WORK SOMEDAY, YOU KNOW, IDEALLY THEY'RE WORKING HERE IN PETALUMA AND, UM, I THINK THAT HELPS A LOT OF OUR GOALS ACROSS THE BOARD IF PEOPLE [04:30:01] ARE LIVING AND WORKING HERE. UM, YOU KNOW, I ALSO, I WANTED TO REVISIT THE, THE MAKERSPACE DESIGNATION. AND, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE LAST MEETING, I THINK WE STRIPPED IT DOWN TO PRETTY MUCH THE BUSINESS BUSINESS PARK DESIGNATION, UM, WITH ONE OF THE BIG DIFFERENT, WITH THE BIG DIFFERENCE BEING THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH BUSINESS PARK, UM, YOU COULD HAVE AN FAR OF THREE, BUT THAT WAS ONLY WITH STRUCTURED PARKING. UM, THAT'S NO LONGER THE CASE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ANY STRUCTURED PARKING ALONG WITH IT, BUT YOU STILL GET THAT INCREASED FAR. SO, YOU KNOW, PARKING'S ALWAYS SUCH A BIG ISSUE IN PETALUMA. UM, I DON'T THINK THE COMMUNITY'S GONNA BE VERY HAPPY IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO THAT, IF WE'RE KIND OF ESSENTIALLY WAVING, GETTING AN ECHO. WELL, IF, IF WE'RE, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY WAVING PARKING IN A WAY. SORRY, HANG ON. UM, NO, IT'S JUST GETTING WORSE AND WORSE AND WORSE. UH, TESTING. TESTING IS, I THINK TESTING. OKAY. OKAY. JUST A POINT OF ORDER. IT'S PAST 11. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. EXCUSE ME. ONE SECOND. WHILE WE DO A PROCEDURAL EFFORT HERE, AND I'D LIKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THE MEETING PAST 11. SO MOVED AND A SECOND. CARLY IS OUR SECOND. AND, UH, WE'RE GONNA DO THIS VOTE BY A CLAIM. AND SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR CONTINUE PAST 11, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. AND THOSE OPPOSED SAY NO THANK YOU. MOTION PASSES. BACK FLOOR IS YOURS. THANK YOU. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT, SO I DON'T KNOW IF, IF STAFF WANTS TO ADDRESS THAT BEFORE I GO TO MY NEXT QUESTION. UM, IS THERE PART OF THAT THAT WE CAN DEAL WITH IN WHERE WE ARE IN OUR AGENDA AND STRONG POLLING FOR THIS, THIS PART OF THE MEETING? WELL, I MEAN, THE BUSINESS PARK AND THE MAKER BUS MICRO BUSINESS DESIGNATIONS ARE IN THE LAND USE DESIGNATION STANDARDS TABLE. SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WANNA MAKE SURE WE CHANGE, UH, WE HAD NOTED, AND DON'T FORGET THAT THIS DOESN'T SHOW THAT CHANGES THAT COUNCILS ALREADY DIRECTED, WHICH I BELIEVE ARE REDUCING MAKER TO THREE STORY AND REMOVING HOTEL AS AN ALLOWED NON-RESIDENTIAL USE IN MAKER. WE DID HAVE A CONVERSATION, UH, WITH THE COUNCIL, AND COUNCIL TALKED ABOUT THE PROS AND CONS OF COMBINING BUSINESS AND MAKER, AND I THINK THERE WAS FEEDBACK FROM THE GPAC THAT REALLY EMPHASIZED SOME NUANCES AND DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THOSE TWO, AND THEREFORE THE COUNCIL DECIDED TO STAY WITH THE TWO SEPARATE. BUT IT, IF IT, IF THE COUNCIL WANTS US TO MAKE ADDITIONAL CHANGES TO THAT, THIS WOULD BE THE TIME TO DO THAT. ALRIGHT. WELL, YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S REALLY THE BIG DIFFERENCE, YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT BETWEEN THE TWO. SO, AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK PARKING IS, IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY AND, AND EVERYTHING THAT'S BUILT SHOULD REFLECT THAT. JUST, JUST TO BE CLEAR ON THE, THE 3.0 FAR WAS STRUCTURED PARKING, THIS, THAT'S NO CHANGE FROM CURRENT, THAT'S HOW THE CURRENT ZONING CODE READS. SO WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGE TO THE BUSINESS PARK DESIGNATION? NO, IT'S NOT A CHANGE TO BUSINESS PARK, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS MAKER SPACE DOESN'T REQUIRE PARKING THE SAME WAY THAT BUSINESS PARK DOES. IT ALLOWS YOU IT, SO MAKERSPACE WILL REQUIRE PARKING IN THE, LIKE IN, BASED ON THE USES IN THE ZONING CODE. BUT I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLY IS THE MAKER DESIGNATION, YOU GET A 3.0 FAR JUST AS, AS THE BASIC STANDARD BUSINESS PARK, YOU GET A 1.5 UNLESS YOU DO STRUCTURED PARKING AND THEN YOU GET THE 3.0 MM-HMM . I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. RIGHT. I'D LIKE TO BRING BACK TO, UH, STAFF FOR A SECOND AND, UM, PLEASE, MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE DIDN'T LOSE TRACK OF WHAT WE WERE GETTING IN RESPONSE TO WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE WAS RAISING AND, AND WHAT STAFF RESPONDED. AND WE CAN COME BACK TO COUNCILMEMBER CARLY'S, UM, UM, COMMENTS ABOUT THE, THE COMMERCIAL ZONING, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE WHAT SB NINE DOES AND DOESN'T DO. UM, AND WHAT, AND THE POINT COUNCIL [04:35:01] MEMBER BARNELL WAS RAISING WAS WE BETTER MAKE SURE THAT IF WE HAVE A CERTAIN DENSITY ENVELOPE WE WANNA BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE, UM, THAT WE ARE ADDRESSING IT NOW. SO THE GENERAL PLAN, THE A IR ADDRESSES IT AND WE'RE NOT, AND WE, AND WE DON'T HAVE TO RE REDO ENVIRONMENTAL ANALYSIS. SO I THINK THAT ONE OF THE KEYS IS, AND, AND, AND STAFF CAN HELP, HELP, HELP, UM, DIRECT THAT BETTER THAN I CAN, BUT THAT WE UM, THAT THE, THAT STAFF HAVE CLARITY FROM THE COUNCIL ABOUT WHAT THE UPSIDE YEAH, GOOD POINT. THANKS FOR REDIRECT, UH, RE REPURPOSING AND I'M GONNA ASK IF THE WHOLE COUNCIL UNDERSTANDS WHAT THAT MEANS IN TERMS OF, UH, THE ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, WORK NECESSARY. COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE. YEAH, I JUST WANNA MAKE THE CASE FOR THAT TOO. LIKE IF WE STUDY IT IN THE EIR, WE CAN ALWAYS BACK OFF, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE, THE, THE IMPACTS OF THIS WILL BE LESS, RIGHT? IF WE, IF WE DECIDE WE DON'T WANNA DO IT. BUT IF WE DON'T RE YOU KNOW, MOVE FORWARD WITH STUDYING MINIMUM LOT SMALL, LIKE LOWER MINIMUM LOT SIZES, THEN WE CAN'T JUST LIKE ADD THAT IN BECAUSE THEN THE DENSITY GOES UP, RIGHT? SO WE CAN ALWAYS REDUCE IT. THE, WE CAN ALWAYS INCREASE THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE BACK UP, BUT WE CAN'T JUST REDUCE IT AFTER WE'RE ALREADY IN THE, IN THE EIR PROCESS. SO I, I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT WE WANT, UM, STAFF TO TAKE A LOOK AT SOMETHING WE'RE NOT APPROVING SOMETHING, WE'RE NOT UNDERTAKING THAT THING. WE'RE ASKING THE STAFF TO LOOK AT, UM, DIFFERENT, THE THE EXACT PROPOSAL OF NO SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING AND WHAT THE IMPACT IS AND WHAT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT AND, AND SB NINE AND OTHER LAWS ARE. SO WE HAVE THE PACKAGE TOGETHER AND I ASSUME WE'D COME BACK AND VISIT ON THAT BEFORE ACTUALLY DIRECTING THE STUDY OR WOULD STAFFING MOVING INTO STUDY ON THAT TOPIC AT, WITH THIS MUCH GUIDANCE. I, I APOLOGIZE, I'M A LITTLE, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED. MAYBE THERE'S TWO THINGS THAT YOU'RE ASKING US TO DO. ONE I HEARD IS, AS YOU JUST SAID, POTENTIALLY EXPLORING TAKING THE ROUTE SACRAMENTO AND OTHER CITIES HAVE TAKEN AT, AT ELIMINATING SINGLE FAMILY ISN'T ALLOWED USE. BUT I, I DIDN'T HEAR CONSENSUS FROM THE COUNCIL ON NO. ISN'T ALLOWED USE. WE'RE TRYING TO SEE WHAT THE PROPOSALS AND UM, AND I THINK I'M, I'M GONNA SUGGEST THAT WE REDUCE MINIMUM LOT SIZE TO 2000 SQUARE FOOT CITYWIDE. THAT'S THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST WE MOVE FORWARD WITH STUDYING IN THE EIR PROCESS. AND THAT'S INDEPENDENT. THAT'S HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ELIMINATING SINGLE FOUND, RIGHT? IT'S JUST LOTS. EXACTLY. EXACTLY. WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT, YOU CAN STILL BUILD, IF YOU HAVE A LARGE LOT, YOU CAN STILL BUILD A SINGLE HOME ON THAT LARGE LOT. OKAY. IT'S JUST SAYING LIKE, WE SEE A, IF WE HAVE A 4,000 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM LOT SIZE, YOU'RE GONNA BUILD A BIG HOME ON THAT BECAUSE THAT'S A LOT OF LAND AND THAT'S A LOT OF FIXED COST THAT YOU'RE CONSUMING. RIGHT. BUT IF YOU HALF THAT, YOU CAN BUILD TWO HOMES ON IT AND THAT'S GONNA REDUCE THE COST, THE SALES PRICE. THAT'S HOW YOU GET ENTRY LEVEL HOMES, RIGHT? SO YOU COULD STILL HAVE THE VERY LARGE LOTS. YOU STILL COULD HAVE THE VERY LARGE LOTS. LOTS. AND, AND, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, JUST BECAUSE WE STUDY IN THE EIR DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT IN THE END OF THE DAY. RIGHT? WE CAN STILL BACK OFF. THAT'S A VERY DOABLE THING IF WE DECIDE THAT'S A HILL TOO FAR FOR US TO CLIMB. OH, JUST ONE THING TO REMEMBER IS THAT WITH A 2000 SQUARE FOOT LOT, YOU ARE ELIMINATING THE POTENTIAL OF SP NINE APPLICATION FURTHER. OKAY, I'LL SAY 2,500 SQUARE FOOT LOT GO HIGHER, , 20, 2800 SQUARE FOOT LOT, THEN YEAH, THAT, THAT IS THE MINIMUM. SO, SO LET'S DO A 2,800 SQUARE FOOT LOT WITH THE INTENTION. IT COULD BE SPLIT AS AN SB NINE PROJECT. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABILITY MM-HMM . LIKE THIS IS THE WAY TO GET TO AFFORDABILITY. SO LET'S LIKE INTENTIONALLY STUDY THIS AND, AND LIKE PUT OUR MONEY WHERE OUR MOUTH IS TO THE COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BRING ABOUT HOUSING THAT IS MORE AFFORDABLE FOR PEOPLE. AND, AND THAT WOULD BE DONE BY A SUBDIVISION OR, UM, IF IT'S MORE THAN TWO, YOU CAN, HOW, HOW WOULD THIS HAPPEN? YOU KNOW, 10,000 AC UH, 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LAW AND YOU REDUCE IT. THAT'S RIGHT. UM, IF YOU'RE USING S SP NINE, YOU CAN ONLY D SPLIT IT ONCE. BUT IF IT'S A BIG LAW AND YOU GO DOWN TO THE 2,800, WHICH, SO YOU'RE PUSHING THINGS IN THE ACT, WHICH SUBDIVISION ACT MM-HMM. A COMPLICATION OF ITS OWN. YES. IT 2,800 SQUARE FEET. THAT'S VERY SMALL THOUGH TO BEGIN WITH. THAT'S HARD TO BUILD ON, I WOULD THINK. NO, THERE'S A WHOLE MESS OF, OH, THERE'S A WHOLE, UM, YOU CAN DO SMALL LOTS SUBDIVISIONS, WHICH ARE, YOU CAN DO ZERO LOT LINE, UH, SUBDIVISION. SO YOU HAVE EVERY OTHER, ALL THE SETBACK IS ON ONE SIDE YOU CAN DO ATTACH ROW HOUSES, BUT THESE ARE ALSO SINGLE FAMILY, UH, FEE SIMPLE LOTS. THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS YOU CAN [04:40:01] HAVE SMALL LOTS, BUT GET TO PRETTY HIGH DENSITIES. OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S, AND AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT MAY BE JUST ALLOWED BUT NOT NECESSARILY REQUIRED. SO IF SOMEONE HAS A 5,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT AND DOESN'T WANNA CHANGE IT, THERE'S NO REASON TO. IT STARTED UNDERSTAND COUNCIL MEMBERSHIPS, LET'S, LET'S HEAR IN FROM COUNCIL MEMBERSHIPS AND I'LL COME BACK THROUGH. UM, I WAS GOING TO, I THOUGHT WE WERE DONE. WE'RE GONNA GO TO A NEW, TO, UH, SIMILAR TOPIC AT THE OTHER END OF THE SCALE, BUT WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH THIS ONE, LET'S FINISH THE SMALL END OF THE SCALE. COUNCIL MEMBER, QUINT, YOU HAD A COMMENT? I JUST WANTED TO SHARE SUPPORT FOR, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLES, UH, PROPOSAL. WELL, THANK YOU. AND, AND COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLY. WE'RE THERE. SO, UM, STRAW POLL I THINK IS WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS YOU'RE PROPOSING A, WHAT'S THAT NUMBER AGAIN? 2,828. 2,800. LOT MINIMUM LOT SIZE AS A STUDY IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL DOCUMENT. YEP. AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, YOU CAN'T TEAR DOWN HISTORIC BUILDINGS. YEAH. VICTORIANS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT WITH SB NINE. IT'S EX EXCLUDES HISTORIC BUILDINGS, BUILDINGS IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, BUILDINGS THAT EVEN COULD BE CONSIDERED HISTORIC. SO, UM, JUST , IS THAT REGISTERED ONLY OR? NO, NO, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT IT RIGHT HERE. SO, OKAY. SO THERE'S THAT PART OF IT AND WE OPENING A, WAS THAT A POSITIVE? THAT WAS CONSENSUS. A MAJORITY, YES. WASN'T CONSENSUS A MAJORITY TO LOOK AT 2,800 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM LOSS SIZE TO, I THINK THE ACTION WAS ACTUALLY TO BRING IT RIGHT INTO THE ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY. IS THAT, DO WE UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER THAT WAY? SO I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIND, WE'RE GONNA, THIS IS PART OF WHAT WE TRIED TO SAY IN THE STAFF REPORT IS LIKE DIRECTION IS GOOD AND THEN WE, IT'S OUR JOB TO FIGURE OUT KIND OF HOW TO DO IT, TO BRING YOU BACK WHAT, WHAT YOU NEED. AND SO THAT'S WHY YOU'LL SEE SOME CHANGES THAT MAYBE WE DIDN'T KNOW TO SAY RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE THAT DIRECTION AND IMPLEMENT IT. AND ONCE WE ALL GET OKAY. INTO THE NITTY GRITTY. THANK YOU. AND, UM, IS THAT THE COMMENT ON, UM, SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING DISCUSSIONS? THANK YOU. , YES OR NO? OH, DONE. OKAY, GOOD. UM, WE OWE YOU, UM, SOME FEEDBACK ON OTHER TOPICS. CAN YOU TOUCH ON, OR, UH, I THINK IF THERE'S ANY, UM, OTHER DIRECTIONS AROUND DENSITY RANGES. WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT HEIGHT ALREADY THROUGH SOME OF OUR CONVERSATIONS IN, UM, THE DIFFERENT AREAS OF CHANGE. SO I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE TOUCHED ON THAT AND THE DIFFERENT VARIETIES OF HEIGHTENED, UM, SO THAT, THAT MASSING. BUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING ABOUT THE DENSITY RANGES IN HERE OR UM, ANYTHING ABOUT THE STANDALONE, RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, ANY OF THOSE, THOSE WOULD BE TWO THINGS THAT YEAH, THE FAR, IF ANY OF 'EM. OKAY, THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER. DI CARLY. UM, TALKING ABOUT DENSITY, REVISITING THE DOWNTOWN AREA AND HOW WE DID THE STRAW POLL LAST TIME. DID WE INCREASE THE DENSITY, UM, IN MU TWO RIGHT, IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA? CORRECT. INCREASE TO 45 UNITS AN ACRE IS WHAT'S, WHAT'S IN HERE IS, UM, TO UP TO 45 UNITS PER ACRE. BUT DIDN'T CHANGE THE HEIGHT BEYOND FOUR STORIES, RIGHT? BECAUSE I BELIEVE THE COUNCIL SAID FOUR STORIES WAS ENOUGH. CORRECT. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I BROUGHT THIS UP LAST TIME WHERE THERE WAS A PRIOR COUNCIL MEETING AND IT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE LIMITING HEIGHT FACTOR WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE SB LAWS WAS THAT, UH, IT, IT WAS OUR, OUR DENSITY THAT WE COULDN'T EVEN GO ABOVE FOUR STORIES IF WE WANTED TO UNLESS WE INCREASED THE DENSITY. AND SO WE'VE INCREASED THE DENSITY NOW OPENING THE DOOR TO GOING ABOVE FOUR STORIES IN DOWNTOWN. SO I THINK WE SHOULD REVISIT THAT AS A COUNCIL AND GO BACK DOWN TO 30 SO THAT WE CAN'T GET IT UP ABOVE FOUR STORIES. AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE IMPACTS OF STATE LAW? YES. RIGHT. BECAUSE I FORGET IF THAT WAS NOVEMBER LAST YEAR WHERE IT WAS DISCUSSED, UM, COUNCILMAN BARNACLE BROUGHT IT UP AND SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T DO THIS BECAUSE OF THE CURRENT DENSITY, WE'D HAVE TO INCREASE IT. AND NOW HERE WE ARE DOING THAT. SO I THINK IF WE ALL WANNA PRESERVE OUR DOWNTOWN AS IT IS AND KEEP IT AT FOUR STORIES, I THINK WE [04:45:01] NEED TO HOLD THE DENSITY AS WELL. UM, LET ME ASK, UM, STAFF ONE ANOTHER QUESTION. UH, WE HAVE AN OVERLAY ON THE BOOKS RIGHT NOW FOR THE DOWNTOWN AREA. HOW IS THAT INTEGRATED INTO WHAT'S PROPOSED? GREAT QUESTION, MAYOR. SO WE HAVE AN OVERLAY THAT, UM, IT'S A SEPARATE PROCESS. UM, THERE'S GONNA BE, UH, MORE TO COME, UM, OBVIOUSLY JUST WITH, UM, SOME OF THE CHANGES. UM, BUT THAT IS VERY, VERY MUCH FOCUSED JUST ON THE TWO BLOCKS, RIGHT? THE SUB AREA A, WHICH JUST BECAME THE OVERLAY AREA. SO THE MU TWO THAT'S BEING PROPOSED COVERS A MUCH LARGER, UM, ESSENTIALLY THE ENTIRE DOWNTOWN. AND SO THAT'S, THERE'S, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE OVERLAY MAY APPLY TO VERSUS WHERE, UM, THE LARGER LAND USE DESIGNATION WOULD CHANGE, WHICH WOULD, WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED AT THE MOMENT IS TO GO UP TO, UH, 45, KEEP IT AT THE FOREFOOT OR FOUR STORY. UM, I WILL ALSO SAY WITH OR WITHOUT THESE CHANGES EVEN, UM, WITH WHAT STATE DENSITY BONUS ALLOWS WITH RESPECT TO CONCESSIONS AND WAIVERS, THIS QUESTION ABOUT HEIGHT, UM, ISN'T A NEW, WASN'T NEW TO THE OVERLAY, ISN'T NEW TO THIS PROCESS. THERE'S ALWAYS, THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN PROVISIONS IN THE STATE DENSITY BONUS LAW THAT IF SOMEONE WANTED TO SEEK THAT ADDITIONAL DENSITY, WHETHER IT WAS AT 30 OR AT THE PROPOSED 45, UM, HEIGHT IS ONE OF THOSE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. AND SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT A PROJECT WITH OR WITHOUT THESE CHANGES, UM, COULD ACCESS. UM, AND SO THERE, THIS, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT IF YOU'RE BRINGING UP AN ADDITIONAL, UH, FLOOR, IS THAT GOING TO BRING THINGS ABOVE FIVE? I THINK JUST YOUR COMMENT ABOUT, UM, WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING ABOVE FOUR STORIES DOWNTOWN. UM, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME CONTROL THAT WE HAVE, BUT NOT MUCH WITH RESPECT TO THE STATE DENSITY BONUS LAW. RIGHT? RIGHT. SO IF I COULD ADD TO THAT, UM, IN OTHER WORDS, PROJECTS THAT QUALIFY FOR DENSITY BONUS AND CONCESSIONS ARE, ARE PURPORTING TO RESTRICT THAT IS, IS AS LONG AS THEY'RE QUALIFYING PROJECTS, UM, WHICH IS GONNA BE AFFORDABLE PROJECTS, UM, IT'S, IT'S ONLY THEY'LL, THEY WILL HAVE THE BENEFIT OF, I MEAN THE REASON IT'S CALLED DEAD CITY BONUS LAW IS THEY CAN EXPAND THE DENSITY OTHER BEYOND WHAT WOULD WHAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE PERMITTED. SO IT'S THE NON-QUALIFYING PROJECTS, THE PROJECTS THAT DON'T QUALIFY FOR DENSITY BONUS THAT WE CAN RESTRICT. DOES THAT, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WE, WE CAN'T RE WE WE CAN'T RESTRICT THE ONES SURE. UM, THAT, THAT ARE PERMITTED UNDER THE DENSITY BONUS. LAW ECONOMICS DOES RESTRICT THOSE AS A PRACTICAL MATTER. UM, BUT, UM, FOR QUALIFYING AFFORDABLE PROJECTS, UM, WE, WE, OUR, OUR AND QUALIFYING ONLY MEANS 15% ARE REQUIREMENT. RIGHT. AND THEN THERE'S DENSITY BONUSES OF 15%. WELL, AND THERE'S, IT'S, IT'S COMPLICATED. 'CAUSE THERE'S CONCESSIONS AND WAIVERS THAT THEY CAN SEEK, UM, DEPENDING ON THEIR AFFORDABILITY LEVELS. BUT THE, THE CONVERSATION WAY BACK WHEN BASICALLY SAID THAT DENSITY BONUS LAWS WOULD NOT GET HOUSING ABOVE FOUR STORIES IN PETALUMA BASED ON THE CURRENT MU TWO ZONING WITH 30 UNITS PER ACRE. I REMEMBER THAT VERY CLEARLY BECAUSE NO, I DON'T THAT'S CORRECT. FROM WHAT WE SAID. LET'S PHRASE THAT IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. UM, THAT WHAT, WHAT IS OUR MU TWO ALLOW FOR? AND, AND, AND SINCE EVERYTHING HAS AFFORDABLE, UM, AN AFFORDABLE ALLOWANCE IN IT, UH, INCLUSIONARY, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR US? SO CURRENTLY THE DOWNTOWN HAS THE MIXED USE LAND USE DESIGNATION. IT'S MU GENERALLY MU TWO ZONING. IT ALLOWS UP TO FOUR STORIES CURRENTLY, AND IT ALLOWS UP TO 30 UNITS AN ACRE. SO IF YOU HAVE A QUALIFYING PROJECT UNDER STATE DENSITY BONUS, YOU COULD THEORETICALLY INCREASE THAT DENSITY. YOU COULD THEORETICALLY ASK FOR WAIVERS AND CONCESSIONS THAT COULD ALLOW YOU TO INCREASE THE HEIGHT, UM, CURRENT. THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S RIGHT NOW IT'S HOW IT, IT HAS BEEN. AND THAT'S, THAT'S NOT OVERLAY THAT'S CURRENTLY THAT DISTRICT YEAH, THAT'S NOT OVERLAY DISTRICT. THAT'S NOT ANY CHANGE. THAT'S HOW IT HAS BEEN SINCE THE GENERAL PLAN WAS ADOPTED IN 2008. IS THIS IN AREAS OF CHANGE? IS THIS CONVERSATION SO FIT INTO AREAS OF, [04:50:01] SO WHAT, WHAT THE FEEDBACK WE GOT FROM THE COUNCIL WAS THAT THERE WAS NOT AN APPETITE TO BE INCREASING THE HEIGHT IN MOST OF DOWNTOWN TO KEEP IT AT THE FOUR STORIES. SO WE HAVE THE DOWNTOWN MIXED USE LAND USE DESIGNATION FOR MUCH OF WHAT IS NOW MU TWO. UM, AND IT MAINTAINED THE FOUR STORIES, BUT ANOTHER CONVERSATION WE HAD WITH COUNCIL WAS WE'RE NOT SEEING THINGS GET BUILT EVEN WITHIN THAT FOUR STORY MASSING THAT MIGHT BE ALLOWED IN THE MU TWO. UM, SO, AND WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE SMALLER UNITS WITHIN THAT ENVELOPE. AND SO WE LOOKED AT INCREASING THE DENSITY TO 45 UNITS PER ACRE IN THAT AREA. SO THAT IS WHAT IS ON THE LAND USE DESIGNATION CHART. UM, THAT'S A CHANGE WE SEE OPEN FOR DISCUSSION. IT'S A CHANGE WE'VE SEE SINCE THE EARLY, SINCE THE BEGINNING. AND, AND, AND I THINK IT'S HELPFUL FOR THE COUNCIL TO RECALL WITH RESPECT TO THAT, THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THEN ARE COMMERCIAL PROJECTS AND PROJECTS THAT DON'T QUALIFY FOR DENSITY BONUS. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CONTAINING. I, UM, LET ME COME DOWN TO COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE AND THEN VICE MAYOR. THERE IS A FEW DRIVERS OF THIS. UM, SO ONE, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT AREA OF CHANGE ALONG PETALUMA BOULEVARD NORTH, AND IT WAS BASICALLY LIKE ONE SIDE OF THE STREET THAT WAS GONNA BE ALL LIKE FOUR STORIES AND 45 8 UNITS AND ACROSS THE STREET IS MU TWO AND IT WAS GONNA BE FOUR STORIES AND 30 UNITS PER ACRE. THERE WAS, THAT DIDN'T REALLY MAKE SENSE, RIGHT. TO HAVE BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, VERY SIMILAR BUILDING, YOU KNOW, BUILDING MAKEUPS THAT ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH ONE HAVING, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER DENSITY. THE SECOND WAS AGAIN, TO, AS HEATHER SAID, UM, YOU KNOW, THE SAME SHELL WITH MORE UNITS IN IT IS GONNA MAKE FOR SMALLER UNITS THAT ARE AGAIN, GETTING TOWARD AFFORDABILITY. THIS IS, YOU KNOW, PROVEN RIGHT, LIKE SMALLER UNITS, MORE OF THEM, YOU KNOW, THEY MAKE THEIR RETURNS. THAT'S HOW DEVELOPMENT WORKS. SO THIS IS AGAIN, ANOTHER AFFORDABILITY MEASURE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO RIGHT THE WRONG OF. UM, I MEAN, WE'RE DEALING WITH HOUSING PRICES TRIPLING IN THE LAST DECADE, YOU KNOW, LIKE, OR IN THE LAST 12 YEARS. LIKE IF WE CONTINUE TO DO THE SAME THING, WE CAN EXPECT MORE OF THE SAME. RIGHT. THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO TRY AND CHANGE THAT AND THAT'S WHAT THIS WAS. OKAY. AND CAN VICE MAYOR, UM, THE CURRENT, THE, I GUESS, UH, RIVERFRONT RIVERVIEW ON THE BOULEVARD, THAT'S BRAND NEW WITH MIXED, IT'S MIXED USE WITH HOUSING ABOVE IT, LAVIA IS IT AT, AT OAK ON THE BOULEVARD NORTH, CORRECT? CORRECT. CORRECT. I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S PROBABLY THE HOUR ANYWAY, IT'S MIXED USE ON THE BOTTOM. CORRECT. IT HAD A REQUIREMENT FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL FRONTING THE BOULEVARD, BUT I DON'T EVEN THINK THAT THEY, I THINK THEY'RE, THEY'RE, UM, VACANT. CORRECT. AND WE, AND WE DID DISCOVER THAT THE EDEN HOUSING, WHICH HAD ON THE WASHINGTON STREET ACROSS FROM GOLDEN EAGLE SHOPPING CENTER, THAT IT WASN'T SUCCESSFUL AS MIXED USE. AND WE'RE, I THINK WE'RE FILLING IN WITH HOUSING NOW IN THAT MIXED USE AREA. SO WE HAVE TO RE-LOOK AT, MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE IT'S NOT EASY TO GET TO, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PARKING. IT'S, UM, BUT THAT PALOMA BOULEVARD NORTH HAS A LOT OF POTENTIAL. THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, THEY CAN, OR, OR, OR BUSINESSES THAT ARE GETTING OLDER AND I CAN SEE THEM RETIRING OUT AND SELLING AND WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT MAYBE MIXED USE ISN'T THE BEST. BUT I THINK THAT IT'S A REQUIREMENT. I DO, I I DO APPRECIATE WHAT STAFF'S DONE TO SAY STANDALONE RESIDENTIAL, STANDALONE COMMERCIAL. AND ALSO THAT FOOTNOTE IN THERE FOR THE PERCENTAGE OF, UM, UM, OF COMMERCIAL ON THE, UM, ON THE, IN THE PROJECT, ON THE, ON THE FIRST FLOOR. UH, THOSE ARE REAL GOOD GUIDELINES THAT KEEP US IN BALANCE. I, I'M, I'M THINKING SO I, I THINK WE'RE HEADED IN THE SAME DIRECTION YOU'RE SAYING HERE. SO COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLY, SO HEATHER DOES IT, DOES IT MAKE IT HARDER TO GO ABOVE FOUR STORIES WITH THE DENSITY BONUS LAWS WHEN IT'S AT 30 UNITS PER ACRE THAN IF WE INCREASE IT TO 45? DOES IT MAKE IT EASIER TO GO ABOVE FOUR STORIES, UH, WITH DENSITY BONUS IF WE INCREASE THE DENSITY? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? [04:55:02] YES. IF WE INCREASE THE DENSITY TO 45, IS IT EASIER TO GO ABOVE FOUR STORIES WITH THE DENSITY BONUS LAWS? WELL, WHAT I WILL SAY IS THE DENSITY BONUS LAWS START WITH YOUR MAXIMUM DENSITY, RIGHT? SO IF YOUR MAXIMUM DENSITY IS 45 AND YOU HAVE A QUALIFYING PROJECT, IS THAT NOT TRUE? UM, MAYBE SOME BETTER ANSWER THIS. NO, IT STARTS WITH THE DENSITY YOU'RE PROPOSING, NOT NECESSARILY THE MAXIMUM DENSITY THAT'S BEING WAFFLED, BUT IF WE LET, LET'S SAY SOMEBODY COMES IN AND THEY HAVE A PROJECT THAT'S MAXIMIZING THE DENSITY THAT WE ALLOW. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE THE, MAYBE THE CONCERN IS, IS IF WE ALLOW 45 UNITS PER ACRE, SOMEBODY KINDA COME IN AND AND ASK FOR EVEN MORE UNITS THAN THAT, RIGHT. THROUGH THE STATE DENSITY BONUS. WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE WORST CASE SCENARIO FOR BUILDING HEIGHT IF WE INCREASE IT TO 45 AND SOMEBODY TAKES FULL ADVANTAGE OF THE DENSITY LAWS? WELL, THERE IS NO, THERE IS, IT'S REALLY HARD TO ANSWER TO. I MEAN, JUST IN ALL HONESTY, THERE'S SO MANY. BUT WE SHOULD KNOW THOUGH, FOR MAKING THAT DECISION, BUT THERE'S SO MANY VARIABLES WITH STATE LAW, WE, WE'D NEED TO KNOW MORE SPECIFICS FOR THE, OF THE PROJECT PROJECT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. YEAH. 'CAUSE THE, THE CALCULATIONS ARE VERY PROJECT SPECIFIC. UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN ANSWER THAT IN A GENERAL WAY. UM, BUT THERE IS NOT A SPECIFIC, IT'S NOT LIKE STATE DENSITY BONUS SAYS YOU CAN ONLY ADD FIVE FEET OR YOU CAN ONLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S, THERE'S, THERE'S JUST TOO MANY VARIABLES TO BE ABLE TO SAY. CAN WE, CAN WE SAY THAT, UM, THAT STATE DENSITY BONUS, UM, ALLOWS GREATER THAN WHAT IS CODE WRITTEN FOR, FOR, FOR A QUALIFYING PROJECT CON? WE CAN CONCEDE THE POINT THAT A, A PROPOSAL COULD COME IN THAT BECAUSE OF CLAIMING, UH, DENSITY BONUS COULD BE GREATER THAN THE 45 AND 45 IN FOUR STORIES. CORRECT? IT'S NOT WHAT WE'VE SEEN. I MEAN, I THINK WE HAD A PRETTY GOOD DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS IN APRIL. SO WHERE I'D LIKE, WHERE I'D LIKE TO GO WITH THIS IS WE, WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS A NUMBER OF TIMES, I MEAN, IN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF FORMS OVER A BIT OF YEARS. UM, I'D LIKE TO GET A SENSE OF COUNSEL WHETHER THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO ADDRESS TONIGHT OR WHETHER WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE THING WE HAVE IN OUR, UH, IN FRONT OF US ALREADY. AND, UM, FROM THIS END COUNCIL MEMBER SCH SHRIMPS. OKAY. JUST, UH, ON A THEORETICAL CALCULATION HERE, JUST RUN THIS, UH, ONE ACRE IS 43,560 SQUARE FEET. AND IF WE'RE BUILDING UNITS AT EVEN A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET PER UNIT, THAT'S 43 UNITS ON A SINGLE FLOOR AND 80, UH, SIX UNITS ON TWO FLOORS AND, UH, FOUR FLOORS WOULD BE 1,600. IT'S A HUGE NUMBER. SO, UH, NUMBER WISE, ON A THEORETICAL BASIS, UM, IT REALLY ISN'T GONNA MATTER A WHOLE LOT OF 30 OR 45. IT'S GONNA BE THE MONETARY STRUCTURAL OF CONSTRUCTION THAT'S GONNA IMPACT IT. AND HOW MANY AND HOW SMALL OF UNITS THAT YOU MAKE, YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT WE HAVE HERE. I THINK IT'S, IT'S A MUTE POINT AT THIS POINT. OKAY. IT COMES DOWN TO THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS, NOT ANYTHING TO DO WITH SIZE OF UNITS OR, OR, UM, NUMBER OF, UH, ALL THE NUMBERS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. IT'S, IT'S MUTE COMPARED TO JUST ABSOLUTE CONSTRUCTION COSTS, UH, FOR EVERYTHING. OKAY. SO I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T WORRY ABOUT IT AT ALL. I'M GONNA THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER QUAIN. YEAH, I MEAN, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WE'VE BEEN AT 30 UNITS AN ACRE FOR A LONG TIME, RIGHT? AND FOR, AND, AND WE'VE HAD ZERO, UM, HOUSING BUILT IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. AND SO, UH, SO IF WE WANNA KEEP ZERO HOUSING BUILT IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, THEN WE SHOULD KEEP OUR ZONING, THE, YOU KNOW, OUR KEEP IT WHERE IT'S AT TODAY. UM, AND I, I THINK GOING FROM 30 ACRES OR 30 UNITS TO 45 IS A VERY MODEST INCREASE. AND WE WILL BE LUCKY IF THAT GETS US ANYTHING. THANK YOU. GOING FROM THIS SIDE, ANYBODY WANNA WEIGH IN? I FEEL EXACTLY LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER CAN US. I'M FINE. SO I, I THINK WE'VE EXHAUSTED THE CONVERSATION ON IT. I, I HEAR YOUR POINT, BUT I THINK WE'RE GONNA MOVE. SO ARE THERE OTHER THINGS WE NEED TO GIVE STAFF FEEDBACK ON IN THIS REGARDS AND NOT HEARING THAT THERE WERE OTHER ISSUES? I'D LIKE TO MOVE THIS INTO THE RIVER PARK ONE MORE. OH, I'M SORRY. COUNCIL MEMBER. I'LL GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL THING ABOUT THE OTHER END. UM, SO THE LARGER PROPERTIES THAT HAVE, UH, INDUSTRY NOW, 'CAUSE WE'VE LOST OYSTER SHELLS, WE'VE LOST SOME, UH, WE, WE MAY LOSE OUR CEMENT FACTORY. WE'VE LOST GR UH, OR JUST WE MAY LOSE OUR [05:00:01] GRAVEL. WE'VE LOST OUR QUARRY. SO, UH, MANUFACTURING, UH, WHETHER IT BE HEAVY OR LIGHT, WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS, AND I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP THE DOOR OPEN FOR HEAVY INDUSTRY BECAUSE WE HAVE WHERE RAILWAY, SO WITH RAILWAY, AND GIVEN 20 YEARS FROM NOW, 30 YEARS FROM NOW, POSSIBILITIES ARE THAT WE MAY NEED TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, CREATIVE IN, IN WHAT WE MAKE HERE AND WHAT WE USE HERE AND PRODUCE HERE TO BE MORE SUSTAINABLE. SO I'D LIKE TO KEEP THE DOOR OPEN FOR WHEREVER WE HAVE, UM, A SHIPPING ACCESS AND RAILROAD ACCESS. I THINK THAT THE OPPORTUNITY TO KEEP IT FOR HEAVY INDUSTRY NEEDS TO BE CLEARED. IF WE'RE GONNA DO AN IEIR THAT SHOULD STILL BE AN OPEN DOOR AND CHECKED OUT WITH EIR IF WE'RE GONNA DO THAT. UM, OTHERWISE WE, WE MAY BE SHOOTING OURSELVES IN THE FOOT DOWN THE ROAD HERE IF WE, IF WE DON'T YEAH, I SECOND THAT. IS THERE ANY ACTIONABLE EFFORT ON THAT? UM, SO IT IS SOMETHING WE'VE LOOKED AT. SO PART OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS, RON, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT WE DID TAKE A MORE HOLISTIC, NOT IT'S, THIS ISN'T JUST ABOUT HOUSING, RIGHT? THIS IS ALSO ABOUT WHERE ARE WE PROJECTING COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL, UM, AND SO I, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK WE ARE ALL BEHIND. WE'RE SUPPORTIVE OF THE GENERAL PLAN POINTS TO THAT. UM, AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, WE'RE PROVIDING THAT ADDITIONAL FLEXIBILITY, YOU KNOW, AS WE HEAR ABOUT HUNT AND BARONS, ET CETERA, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO BE MINDFUL OF PRESERVING WHAT IS THERE NOW, BUT THEN ALSO CONTENDING THAT THERE'S SOME FLEXIBILITY IN THE FUTURE. I'LL ALSO ADD ON A SEPARATE PARALLEL TRACK, THIS WHOLE QUESTION ABOUT HOW WE'RE SUPPORTING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UM, IS NOT JUST LIVING IN THE GENERAL PLAN PROCESS, RIGHT? IT'S, IT'S THE LARGER CITYWIDE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAD A REALLY GREAT, UH, EXAMPLE ABOUT LIKE BRINGING TOGETHER AG, UM, BUSINESSES ROUNDTABLE, FIGURE OUT WHAT THE NEEDS ARE, FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, HOW WE CAN HELP IN THE SHORT TERM, UM, LAND USE ISN'T KILLING OUR INDUSTRIAL, RIGHT? THE, THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE, UM, IS NOT DOING THAT. BUT WE DO NEED TO HAVE, AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO HAVE A GOOD PULSE ON WHAT OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES NEED SO THAT WE CAN RETAIN, BUT ALSO, UM, GROW AND EXPAND, UM, AS THEY WANT TO DO. SO. SO THAT'S, THERE'S MULTIPLE TRACKS THAT THAT'S GONNA BE ACCOMPLISHED. THANK YOU. OKAY. THAT DIDN'T QUITE ANSWER THE QUESTION. AS TO LIGHT VERSUS HEAVY INDUSTRY. WHERE IS THAT LINE DRAWN? AND ARE WE, UH, GONNA BE PREVENTING, UM, CERTAIN AMOUNT OF FOLKS THAT MIGHT WANNA COME HERE TO DO SOMETHING IF WE DON'T INCLUDE IT? I, I THINK WE'RE SAYING WE'RE NOT MODIFYING ANYTHING WE HAVE REGARDING LIGHT AND HEAVY INDUSTRY AND THE BATTLE WILL STILL BE FOUGHT LIKE THE DERA BATTLE WHERE WHETHER THE PUBLIC WILL TOLERATE SOMETHING DOWN THE ROAD. SO MAYBE I'LL ANSWER IT A DIFFERENT WAY. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, SO THE LAND USE ITSELF IS INDUSTRIAL, SO THAT IS NOT PROPOSING TO BE CHANGED. UM, THAT WILL WILL RETAIN THAT FLEXI, YOU KNOW, WE'LL RETAIN THAT. WHERE WE WILL NEED TO LOOK AT THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE CLOSELY IS IN THE ZONING, UM, CODE, RIGHT? THERE'S THE LIGHT, THERE'S THE MEDIUM, THERE'S THE HEAVY, IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT FOR A LOCAL BUSINESS NOW. SO THAT'S WHERE IF YOU'RE WANTING TO EXPAND HEAVY INDUSTRIAL, UM, IN MORE PARTS OF TOWN, THAT'S OUR OPPORTUNITY IS TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT IN THE ZONING CODE. ZONING CODE. OKAY. AT, AT THAT TIME I THOUGHT, 'CAUSE YOU WERE SAYING EARLIER, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE HEAVY INDUSTRY. I THOUGHT YOU SAID THAT STATEMENT EARLIER. I DON'T THINK I SAID THAT, BUT OKAY. I THOUGHT I CAUGHT THAT WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, UH, UH, REMOVING THAT AS A, AS A CATEGORY THAT WE WOULD NOT HAVE HEAVY INDUSTRY, THAT THAT'D BE ONE OF THE, THE THINGS WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S WHERE I THOUGHT I HEARD EARLIER. SORRY. I THINK WE'RE ONTO THE RIVER PARK NOW AND I THINK GIVEN THE HOUR, WE, UH, WE CAN BE MORE ECONOMICAL WITH WORDS . WE'LL KEEP THIS SUPER SIMPLE. UM, AS YOU KNOW, UH, THE AREA NORMALLY FORMALLY REFER TO AS SCANNELL RECENTLY ACQUIRED BY THE RIVER PARK FOUNDATION. YOU'VE PREVIOUSLY GIVEN US, UH, TWO, UH, TYPES OF DIRECTION. ONE WAS TO, TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE, ACCOMMODATE THE EVOLVING PLANS OF THE FOUNDATION FOR THE SITE AND SECONDLY, ENSURE THAT, UM, THE DESIGNATIONS ALLOW, UH, THE OPPORTUNITIES PRESENTED TO SITES WITHIN A HALF MILE OF THE SMART STATION, UH, PARTICULARLY FOR HOUSING. [05:05:01] UM, AND SO WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN NOW IS THE MIX OF DESIGNATIONS WE'VE BEEN, UH, CONSIDERING IN SIMPLE TERMS, UH, FOR THE SMALLER SECTION THAT A BUTTS HOPPER VERY CLOSE TO THE RAIL, UH, THERE, UH, WE WERE ORIGINALLY SUGGESTING A DOWNTOWN MIXED USE. AND THEN FOR THE REMAINDER, THE LARGER PART OF THE SITE, THE STEP DOWN MIXED USE DESIGNATION. UM, MORE RECENTLY, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, HEATHER, UM, THE FOUNDATION SHARED SOME DRAFT, UM, CONCEPTS, UH, OF VARYING DEGREES OF INTENSITY, UM, AS KIND OF SUMMARIZED IN THAT SECOND COLUMN IN THIS CHART, CONSIDERING DENSITIES FROM 33 TO 53 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE AND HEIGHTS UP TO SIX STORIES. UM, AND SO IT INVITED THE GENERAL PLAN TEAM TO CONSIDER OTHER OPTIONS FOR WHAT DESIGNATIONS MIGHT BE APPLIED, UM, DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF THE RIVER PARK FOUNDATION SITE. AND SO WHAT YOU HAVE IN THE NEXT THREE COLUMNS ARE THE DOWNTOWN MIXED USE THAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY CONSIDERED FOR. AND THIS IS FOCUSED SPECIFICALLY ON THAT SECTION ADJACENT TO HOPPER. ANOTHER OPTION WOULD BE STEP DOWN MIXED USE, AND A THIRD WOULD BE A TOWN CENTER MIXED USE. UM, ALL HAVE DIFFERENT PROS AND CONS AS YOU MOVE FROM LEFT TO RIGHT. UM, YOU HAVE SIMILAR MAXIMUM DENSITIES, BUT A HIGHER MA ALLOWED DENSITY FOR TOWN CENTER. SIMILAR FAR BUT SLIGHTLY LOWER FOR STEP DOWN. UM, AND ALL, ALL AT FOUR STORIES, BUT WITH PC PERMISSION UP TO SIX FOR TOWN CENTER, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE THINKING THAT MIGHT BE AN OPTION THAT WOULD, UM, BE CONSISTENT WITH THE FOUNDATION'S PLANS. UM, AND THERE'S MORE DETAIL ON THE, THE SLIDE THAT AS YOU SAW, I BELIEVE IN TODAY'S COMMENTS, IF YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. UM, THEY'RE NOW SUGGESTING A DIFFERENT CONFIGURATION, UM, FOCUSING THE HIGHER INTENSITY OR HIGHER DENSITY HOUSING IN THAT LARGER PORTION OF THE SITE. AND SO, UM, WHAT YOU HAVE IN THE TABLE TO THE LEFT OF THE IMAGE IS WHAT WOULD ROUGHLY BE A CORRESPONDING DESIGNATION TO MATCH THAT HIGHER DENSITY HOUSING, THE URBAN CORE MIXED USE DESIGNATION. 'CAUSE IT WOULD ALLOW UP TO 50 UNITS PER, OR EXCUSE ME, UP TO 95 UNITS PER ACRE AND UP TO SIX STORIES, WHICH IS WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING. IT DOES NOT, HOWEVER, ALLOW STANDALONE RESIDENTIAL, AND I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING OR NOT. UM, AND IT DOES HAVE AN ACTIVE GROUND FLOOR, UM, REQUIREMENT. UM, AND THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN, THAT REQUIREMENT RELATES TO A STREET FRONTAGE AND THERE WOULD, THERE WOULD NOT BE A STREET FRONTAGE IN THIS CASE. SO THERE WOULD BE SOME LIMITATIONS. WE CAN DISCUSS HOW WE MIGHT MAYBE NUANCE THE DEFINITION OF ACTIVE GROUND FLOOR IN THIS CASE, MAYBE ORIENTED TOWARDS ANOTHER AREA OF ACTIVITY LIKE THE PARK SPACE THERE. UM, BUT, BUT BASICALLY WE WANTED TO SHARE WITH THE COUNCIL SOME OPTIONS BEFORE IT AT THIS POINT BASED ON WHAT WE UNDERSTAND OF FOUNDATION PLANS. UM, I'M NOT, I'M, YEAH, I'M, I'LL JUST SAY THIS FOR MYSELF. I THINK THE DIRECTION YOU'VE GIVEN US IS VERY CLEAR AND HELPFUL SO FAR. TRY TO ACCOMMODATE THE FOUNDATION'S NEEDS AND ALLOW FOR, UM, FAIRLY DENSE HOUSING WITHIN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE STATION. CLEARLY THEIR PLANS CONTINUE TO EVOLVE AND SO, UM, I GUESS YOU HAVE THE OPTION OF PROVIDING US DIRECTION ON WHAT YOU THINK IS PREFERABLE TO TONIGHT OR ALLOW US TO RUN WITH THE DIRECTION YOU'VE ALREADY GIVEN US AND CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION WITH THE FOUNDATION AND TRY TO KEEP THE, THE DESIGNATIONS FOR THIS SITE CONSI AS CONSISTENT WITH THOSE AS POSSIBLE. UH, NOW WE GO TO PUB GENERAL PUBLIC COM OR TO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE, THIS ELEMENT IN OUR FIRST SPEAKER WOULD BE SIERRA. HEY EVERYBODY, GOOD EVENING. IT'S DEFINITELY PAST MY BEDTIME, SO I'M GONNA TRY AND KEEP THIS SHORT. AND I KNOW, UM, THERE'S BEEN A QUITE A BIT OF CONVERSATION BETWEEN THE FOUNDATION AND MANY OF YOURSELVES AS WELL AS WITH STAFF. AND FIRST AND FOREMOST, JUST REALLY WANNA THANK YOU FOR THE TIME. UH, I HAVE TO COMMENT THAT, UH, UM, THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE GENERAL PLAN DIDN'T MENTION THE RIVER PARK [05:10:01] . AND UM, IT'S JUST, UH, REALLY ENCOURAGING TO SEE THE PARTNERSHIP THAT'S REALLY GROWN BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE FOUNDATION ON THIS MONUMENTAL PUBLIC AMENITY THAT'S BEING BROUGHT TO THE CITY BY THE COMMUNITY, REALLY. UM, THE, THE LAND USE DESIGNATION THAT YOU SEE REPRESENTED IN OUR, UM, REQUEST AT THIS TIME, UH, REPRESENTS REALLY THAT UPPER LIMIT OF WHAT COULD BE. WE, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT FLEXIBILITY TONIGHT, OPENING DOORS. UH, THIS IS A PLAN THAT OR THIS LAND USE DESIGNATION WILL BE IN PLACE FOR 25 YEARS. UM, AND WHAT THE FOUNDATION IS SEEKING JUST IS THAT ULTIMATE FLEXIBILITY AS WE CONTINUE TO EXPLORE AS THE MARKET CONTINUES TO EVOLVE, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS POSSIBLE ON THIS SITE. UM, I'LL ALSO SHARE THOUGH THAT THAT IS NOT THE ONLY MOTIVATION. THE OTHER MOTIVATION IS TO DO, UM, IS TO TRY TO BE IN AS MUCH ALIGNMENT WITH THE CITY'S GOALS AROUND HOUSING AND THE CITY'S FUTURE AS WE CAN. UH, THOSE VALUES AND GOALS THAT WERE SHOWN AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS MEETING ABOUT PRESERVING REPORT, VERY PERIAN COURT CORRIDORS AND OPEN SPACE AND CLIMATE FRIENDLY, AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND MAXIMIZING OUR OPPORTUNITIES FOR INFILL ALL FEEL SO STRONGLY IN ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO ON THIS SITE AND THIS COMPREHENSIVE PARK AND NEIGHBORHOOD PROJECT. UM, SO REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S SUPPORT AND LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING THE DISCUSSION HERE TONIGHT. ALWAYS HERE FOR QUESTIONS. UM, UH, BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, I'LL SHARE TOO THAT IN OUR MAD HUSTLE TO STUDY ALL OF THE POSSIBILITIES FOR THIS SITE, UH, ENOUGH TO COME TO BRING THIS, UM, REQUEST TO COUNCIL TONIGHT WE STARTED TO PLAY AROUND AND IMAGINE THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT COULD BE THERE AND HOW INCREDIBLY BEAUTIFUL ONE, A 35 ACRE PUBLIC PARK SUPPORTED BY THIS NEW CLIMATE FRIENDLY, TRANSIT ORIENTED, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD. I MEAN, EVERYONE I SHARE THE VISION WITH JUST ASK ME WHERE THEY CAN SIGN UP TO HAVE ONE OF THE UNITS. SO I'LL LEAVE YOU WITH THAT. AND THANK YOU AGAIN SO MUCH FOR ALL YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION, ESPECIALLY AT THIS HOUR. THANK YOU. AND THAT CLOSES, UM, PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE ITEM AND THAT BRINGS IT BACK TO COUNCIL COMMENT. COUNCIL MEMBER BARNACLE. YEAH, I'LL JUST REITERATE, UM, MY ONE QUESTION IS WHERE DO I SIGN UP? UM, I, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO HAVE THIS SORT OF THING. WE WANT TO HAVE PEOPLE DOING LIKE BRINGING GREAT DEVELOPMENT. THEY'RE WORKING WITH, UM, A LEADING ARCHITECT THAT, UM, AND UH, IT JUST, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE EXISTING ZONING, I LOOKED AT WHAT IT IS, THE EXISTING HEIGHT LIMIT RIGHT NOW IS 70 FEET. SO WE ALLOW LIKE 70 FOOT INDUSTRIAL THINGS, BUT WE DON'T ALLOW 70 FOOT BUILDINGS FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE IN. AND THAT, LIKE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE HEMMING AND HAWING ABOUT I THINK ON THIS. AND WHAT WE REALLY WANT IS WE WANT THIS PARK TO BE EVERYTHING THAT THEY ENVISION AND THAT THEY'VE GOT, UM, THAT THEY'VE GOT THE COMMUNITY EXCITED ABOUT. I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO BE THE ONE THAT'S, UM, TAKING AWAY THE STAGE OR TAKING AWAY THE GRAY WATER SYSTEM THAT'S GONNA PLANT THE, YOU KNOW, WATER, THE PLANTS. UM, BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IF WE'RE NOT CREATING THAT FLEXIBILITY THAT WARREN MENTIONED EARLIER. SO, UM, THAT'S, UH, MY SUPPORT COUNCIL MEMBER SHRI. YEAH, I WAS ONE OF THE FOLKS I HAD A, UM, A ONE-ON-ONE DISCUSSION LOOKING AT THE PLAN AND, AND, UH, THE OPPORTUNITIES. AND SO FROM A FINANCIAL POINT OF VIEW, THE, THE PARK IS GONNA NEED SOME INCOME TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. AND SO WE'RE GONNA NEED DEVELOPMENT THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF HIGHER DENSITY, A LITTLE BIT HIGHER VOLUME IN DOLLARS TO GENERATE THE MONIES NEEDED TO CREATE THE PARK 'CAUSE WE NEED MONEY FOR THAT. HOWEVER, THERE'S TWO THINGS AND IF WE'RE DOING AN, UH, AN EARLY EIR ON THIS, UM, THINGS WE NEED TO STUDY AND THAT IS, UH, BASICALLY IT'S SAFETY TO THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE LIVING THERE. UM, IS THERE ENOUGH EXIT ACCESS IN CASE OF AN EARTHQUAKE? IS THERE GONNA BE ENOUGH? LIKE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE DENSITY OF FOLKS. 'CAUSE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WE'RE GONNA PUT THERE NOW UNDER THIS SITUATION IS GONNA BE HIGHER THAN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PRESENTED TO US, UM, UH, A COUPLE TIMES, UH, TWICE BEFORE. SO, UH, BEING A HIGHER DENSITY OF PEOPLE IN THIS AREA IS, IS UH, IS THERE A SAFETY FACTOR HERE FOR THAT? THEN ON THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES, THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT THE, UH, THE VIEW SHED AND UM, I THINK WE MIGHT BE OKAY IN THAT, BUT WE'LL HAVE TO GET SOME AGREEMENT THAT YES. UH, SITTING IN THE PARK LOOKING UP. UM, IS THAT CHANGING THE VIEW SHED FOR THAT PARTICULAR AREA, CHANGING ANYTHING? IT MIGHT, IT MIGHT NOT. UH, I THINK THAT NEED TO BE LOOKED AT. SO GETTING THIS INCLUDED IN, UM, IN THAT EIR UH, MIGHT BE VERY IMPORTANT AT THIS TIME TO SEE IF IT'S EVEN POSSIBLE, UM, THROUGH OUR VARIOUS, UH, REGULATIONS AND IDEAS. SO I'D, I'D LIKE TO TEST THIS OUT, GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO THE PARK TO MOVE FORWARD AS BEST IT CAN, UM, TO MAKE THAT A REALITY. 'CAUSE I THINK WE'RE GONNA NEED IT. [05:15:01] UM, BUT THERE'S SOME CAVEATS AS TO WE, WE NEED TO WORK CAUTION IN THESE TWO, A COUPLE AREAS HERE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE AMOUNT OF, UM, UH, WILL WE HAVE ENOUGH WATER AND ELECTRICITY, UH, ON THAT SITE COMING IN FROM THE LINES TO, TO COVER ALL OF THAT. SO THE UTILITIES, IS THERE ENOUGH UTILITY CAPACITY IN THAT ZONE FOR, FOR THAT HIGHER DENSITY? SO I'D LIKE THAT ALL CHECKED OUT. UM, BUT THE OPPORTUNITY THERE, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE CHECKED OUT. THANK YOU. UM, COUNCIL MEMBER DI CARLY, THIS IS SORT OF CARRY OVER FROM THE LAST CONVERSATION BUT ALSO RELATES TO THIS ONE AS WELL. UM, I KIND OF WANNA PROPOSE THAT WE CREATE A NEW LAND USE DESIGNATION THAT, YOU KNOW, ON THE HEELS OF FLEXIBILITY, UM, YOU KNOW, INCORPORATES KEEPING WHATEVER THE CURRENT ZONING IS PLUS THE ABILITY FOR INDUSTRIAL ALONG AREAS LIKE THE RIVER AND THE RAILROAD SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS IN 25 YEARS, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF HOUSING NEVER DOES WORK OUT IN ANY OF THOSE AREAS ALONG THE RAIL OR THE RIVER, YOU KNOW, YOU THEN STILL HAVE THIS OPTION OF INDUSTRIAL JUST MAKING IT MORE FLEXIBLE FOR LANDOWNERS. SO, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THE CASE OF THE RIVER PARK, THERE'S, THERE'S THE PARCEL THAT'S BEING CARVED OUT FOR HOUSING. IF THAT DOES OR DOESN'T HAPPEN, WHAT IF WE CREATE A FLEXIBLE ZONE THAT STILL ALLOWS FOR THE HOUSING, BUT AT THE SAME TIME COULD POTENTIALLY BE INDUSTRIAL? AGAIN, IT'S JUST A COMBINATION OF THE TWO AND MAYBE INDUSTRIAL NEVER HAPPENS, BUT WE'RE NOT CUTTING THAT OFF FROM HAPPENING IN THOSE IMPORTANT TRANSPORTATION AREAS. COUNCIL MEMBER QUINN? YEAH, I THINK THE, UH, THE PARK IS A, UH, ONCE IN A LIKE MULTI-GENERATIONAL OPPORTUNITY. LIKE THIS IS AN AMENITY THAT OUR CITY WILL BENEFIT FROM THAT IS LIKE NONE OTHER. AND, UH, AND IT, YOU KNOW, COMES WITH A PROMISE TO BRING ADDITIONAL HOUSING STOCK AND UH, AND, AND IN AN, IN AN AREA WHERE I DON'T THINK HEIGHT IS THAT MUCH OF AN ISSUE. UH, AND SO I THINK IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S A, UH, WE WE SHOULD DO WHAT WE CAN TO SUPPORT THE FOUNDATION TO, UH, SEE IT TO FRUITION. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, CATER THOMPSON. I AM SUPPORTING WHAT THE FOUNDATION IS ASKING FOR AND IT'S ALL GONNA BE OUT IN THE EIR ANYWAY, SO WE'LL GET ALL THAT INFORMATION BACK AND FIND OUT IF THERE'S UTILITIES AND EVERYTHING ELSE. IT'S PART OF THE EIR AND THAT'S THE DIRECTION I'D LIKE TO GO. THANK YOU. UM, CAN I ASK STAFF, CAN YOU ASSESS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ANY OF THESE PROPOSALS IN TOTAL, TOTAL HOUSING OR ANYTHING? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT EXCLUDING HEIGHT, NOT, NOT TO WORRY ABOUT HEIGHT, BUT TOTAL, UM, ESTIMATED UNITS OF HOUSING BETWEEN ONE PROPOSAL AND ANOTHER HERE THAT WE'RE EVALUATING. IS IT DRAMATIC? THAT'S A CALCULATION WE COULD DO, BUT WE HAVEN'T COME PREPARED WITH THAT, THAT CALCULATE YOU'RE REALLY REFERRING TO THE DIFFERENT ALLOWABLE DENSITIES. I MEAN WE'RE, WE'RE BEING ASKED TO MODIFY THE PRIOR PROPOSAL, YOU KNOW, THE WHAT WAS IN THE WORKBOOK PRIOR RIGHT, TO SOMETHING NEW. WHAT ARE WE VOTING ON? HOW MUCH ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? LIKE IF ON THE 30 ACRES, IF WE WENT FROM STEP DOWN MIXED USE TO URBAN CORE MIXED USE AT THE MAXIMUM DENSITY RANGE, IS THAT KIND OF YEAH, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. UH, WOULD THAT BE ANOTHER A HUNDRED HOUSES OR ANOTHER 500 HOUSES OR I MEAN, HOW MANY, HOW MANY HOUSES ARE WE TALKING HERE? WELL STEP DOWN. MIXED USE TO, UH, LET'S SAY, UH, URBAN CORE MIXED USE IS LIKE DOUBLE THE DENSITY. UH, SO IF YOU'RE TALKING LET'S SAY 45 UNITS AN ACRE TIMES, UH, THIS, THIS FEELS LIKE A DANGEROUS CALCULATION THERE. , LET ME ASK THAT. LET ME ASK THAT ANOTHER WAY. UM, THE PROPOSAL THAT WE HAD AND THE PROPOSAL THAT WE'RE SEEING, THEY OVERLAP IN THE DENSITY RANGE. SO YOU COULD HAVE PROJECTS THAT ARE APPROXIMATELY THE SAME DENSITY CORRECT. IN DIFFERENT FORMS. AND I DON DON'T IN DIFFERENT FORMS, DON'T. AND I THINK THAT'S THE THING. UM, IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE THE ALLOWING INCREASED HEIGHT IS, IS MORE THE DIFFERENCE IN THIS IN CERTAIN AREAS, YOU KNOW, [05:20:01] WITH THAT PROPOSAL THAT THE FOUNDATION SUBMITTED JUST TODAY OR YESTERDAY OR SOMETHING, IT'S, IT SEEMS LESS ABOUT THE DENSITY RANGE AND MORE ABOUT THE ABILITY TO POP UP IN, IN, SO IT COULD PROVIDE THEM, UM, LESS FOOTPRINT AND MORE SHAPE AND OTHER WAYS TO FORM A NEIGHBORHOOD, THEORETICALLY MORE FLEXIBILITY TO DESIGN IT, THE OPPORTUNITY FLEXIBILITY, THE BEST, THE BEST WAY FOR THE SITE. SO, UM, WE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT A GENERAL PLAN EIR, BUT A PROJECT THIS MAGNITUDE, IT WOULD HAVE ITS OWN EIR, RIGHT? UM, I MEAN IT DEPENDS. IT COULD BE, IT COULD BE A, A CONSISTENT INFILL CONSISTENCY UNDER SEQUENCE IF COUNCIL MEMBER SURE MAKES A POINT I'M INTERESTED IN, WHICH IS THE, UH, MOBILITY ELEMENT AND, UM, WHAT THEY PICK WILL GOVERN, YOU KNOW, H HOW, UH, WHAT MITIGATIONS IN THE, IN THE MOBILITY ELEMENT AND WHAT WILL WE STUDY IN THE EIR NOW BEFORE THEY HAVE A PROPOSED PROJECT. WELL, AND DON'T FORGET THAT THE, THE EIR FOR THE GENERAL PLAN IS A PROGRAMMATIC EIR. SO IT IS NOT LOOKING AT EVERY SITE AT A PROJECT BY PROJECT LEVEL AT THAT, BUT, BUT THE, BUT THE IDEAL RESULT IS YOU HAVE ENOUGH ANALYSIS IN YOUR JOURNAL PLAN EIR THAT YOU ARE CREATING SOME STREAMLINING SO THAT EVERY PROJECT THAT COMES IN DOESN'T HAVE TO DO THEIR OWN EIR, RIGHT? THAT, THAT THERE'D BE A TRAFFIC STUDY FOR LOCAL IMPACT, BUT YOU'VE ALREADY KIND OF ANALYZED THE REGIONAL OR, YOU KNOW, COMING OFF PROPERTY IMPACT. UM, AND YOU KNOW, MY SAME CONCERN WITH THE, UH, UTILITIES AND THINGS, UH, THE WATER AND POWER QUESTION AND, AND, UM, BUT THOSE WILL GET REASSESSED ON THE PROJECT BASIS AT A LATER TIME AND THE PARK WILL BE LIABLE FOR ALL OF THAT, INCLUDING OFFSITE, IMPROVE ALL THE OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL AS ONSITE IMPROVEMENTS TO, TO BRING THEM TO THE RIGHT SEWER LINE TO BRING THEM TO THE RIGHT, UH, WATER LINE. SO, UM, I, I DON'T WANNA SEE US, I MEAN I, I, I LIKE BEING GENEROUS TO, YOU KNOW, A A FABULOUS AMENITY IN THE COMMUNITY, BUT I DON'T WANT TO SEE US LIABLE FOR THE, UH, OFFSITE IMPROVEMENT AT ANOTHER TIME. UM, I, I THINK WE NEED TO, WE WANT THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO SUBSIDIZE IT. UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S A CONCERN I HAVE, BUT I DON'T HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT CHANGING THE, WHERE WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO CHANGE TONIGHT, BUT JUST BE AWARE OF ALL THE THINGS WE'RE GETTING INTO. AND THEN LASTLY, UM, THIS MUCH HOUSING WILL HAVE A LOT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN IT, BUT WE DON'T REALLY DESCRIBE HOW THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WORKS AND HOW THE INCLUSIONARY ORDINANCE ALLOWS FOR AN ALTERNATE COMPLIANCE OR, YOU KNOW, ALL, ALL, ALL THE OTHER MYRIAD OF DETAILS THAT COME UP WHEN A PROJECT GETS COMPLETE. UH, I WOULDN'T WANT US TO PORTRAY US PUTTING ALL THE AFFORDABLE IN ONE PLACE AND NOT MIXING IT AND HAVING A MIX ON PROPERTY LIKE OUR INCLUSIONARY ORDINANCE ENCOURAGES. SO, UM, THOSE ARE JUST ALL THINGS THAT WE KNOW WE, THAT WILL COME ABOUT NATURALLY AS AFTER THE GENERAL PLAN AND AS A PROJECT COMES FORWARD. BUT THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT. IT'S A REALLY BIG PROJECT WITH A LOT OF COMPLICATIONS, UM, ANYWAY, BUT I THINK I SAW A CON, A MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL DIRECT TO MAKE CHANGES TO FACILITATE WHAT THE RIVER PARK IS ASKING FOR ON THIS PARCEL WITH LAND USE DESIGNATIONS. ANYBODY, ANYBODY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT STATEMENT? AND I THINK THAT'S AN ACCURATE STATEMENT. GOOD ASSESSMENT. AND DOES THAT BRING US TO THE CONCLUSION OF OUR, UM, MEETING THIS ITEM IS OVER AND WE ARE CONCLUDING TONIGHT IN, UM, IN MEMORY OF EARL DINI AND HELP ME OUT. JANICE. MAUREEN BENELLI. MAUREEN BENELLI, THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. HI. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.